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[Nexus One Accessories] chillaxnphilx:
if u haven't already you should go to the zagg site and check out the warrantee process. From my understanding..you can send it back in a regular envelope and they'll refund you. The store should most likely refund you.
[Nexus One Accessories] jcohenlv:
Not worth the hassle!

I just got a gel case and a regular screen protector off Ebay and now I am happy as a clam :)
[HD2 General] Yann_H:
The www.laptopmag.com website organises a game between the best smartphones,

Link to the 13 game : HTC HD2 VS Palm Pre Plus

>>HERE<<

Please support HTC HD2 against Palm Pre Plus

I'll try to update the topic with new results!

Battle status!

​
[HD2 General] acidhax:
http://blog.laptopmag.com/march-smart-phone-madness-game-13-palm-pre-plus-vs-htc-hd2

Don't let the pre win this one :P

---it's winning.
[HD2 General] manimal666:
Well i cast my vote for the HD2 but its well behind the Pre Plus. It was 184 votes for HD2 and 1273 votes for Pre Plus so long way to go to beat it. Someone set a bot on it. LOL.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
Im sure the employees at palm are all voting for that pile of poo that is the palm pre plus!!!!
[HD2 General] petvas:
HD2 must win! Spread the word!

PS: Palm is in a bad position and of course their fans are loyal...so they try to vote more...
[HD2 General] NuShrike:
Voted for HD2! As much as I like webOS and I want Palm to succeed, their fumbling for modern hardware specs and non-GSM availability egotism should be taken down a notch.
[HD2 General] Antboy:
Voted! Just got an HD2 on Monday. Best smart phone I've every used!
[HD2 General] simeezee:
lol palm is going bankrupt.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
Serriously I played with a Pre whilst in the O2 store and it was laaaggggggggggggyyyyyyyyyyy and this was with just two "cards" open.

Pre is good OS stuck with crap hardware

HD2 is good but ugly OS with excellent hardware
[HD2 General] malisha1:
I voted this morning and was surprised that Pre Plus was ahead.
[HD2 General] chalid:
HD2 for teh win!!1 ;)
[HD2 General] zelduy:
voted for HD2...

yikes we're losing behind soo much...
[HD2 General] bored2nite:
i understand its march so haha march madness but how is a phone that came out the last week of march gonna win against a dinosaur?

people have no idea (in the states, since all the phones r US phones) of how powerful the TMo HD2 is.... compared to that crap palm pre.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
Pre is winning at this time! D:

66% pre

34% HD2.

This is crazy!

My friend has Palm Pre! He prefers HD2!
[HD2 General] bored2nite:
unless everybody voted on this site right now... its gonna stay that way.. but it has gotten better with awareness that its going on...
[HD2 General] shu8i:
everything can be changed... hello? 2h ago it was like 18% to 82% now it's 37% to 63% vote all!
[HD2 General] DMAND:
It will be a said day if the Pre comes out on top over the HD2, Im off to go vote from another 2 IP addresses :D
[HD2 General] zelduy:
whoah we're catching up.. need more support...
[HD2 General] Mappo:
I voted with my dollars at the local T-Mobile store last week.:D
[HD2 General] mb76:
I've voted 3 times from the same IP address, it doesn't appear to block the vote so get multi voting (just added another 3 votes)
[HD2 General] shu8i:
oh yes it does block multiple votes

"Thank you, we have already counted your vote."

maybe you have a dynamic ip...
[HD2 General] mb76:
Forget that, it know doesn't seem to be taking my votes, damn and blast
[HD2 General] MrLawKH:
please vote!!!
[HD2 General] G-ThGraf:
40% vs 60 % :/

Go vote all !
[HD2 General] petvas:
there is a 1559 votes difference. Go vote!
[HD2 General] Shum97:
Lets vote people:cool:

The latest stats.

HTC HD2 (TMO) 40% (3,268 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 60% (4,834 votes)
[HD2 General] Fuse8499:
The HD2 pwns the Pre Plus. I left my Nexus One for an HD2, and I'll never look back
[HD2 General] Archer:
It's comical that people are voting for that tiny piece of slidey shiny poo over a HD2! I guess it's going to boil down to "which phone out of these 2 do you have?"
[HD2 General] RedDevils88:
it was 500 votes vs 16xx votes a few hours ago.. now it is 3,435 votes vs 4,980 votes.. pretty amazing..

i guess all the HD2 users were still sleeping :p:p
[HD2 General] petvas:
If you want to vote once more then go to http://www.opera.com/mobile/demo/

and navigate to the laptopmag.com website...
[HD2 General] mdmhd2:
Cool cheating tip.

I guess, we can use Skyfire for a third vote. Skyfire uses a proxy server to surf on the web.

EDIT: 59% Palm pre(historic) / 41% HTC HD2. C'mon people!
[HD2 General] quasi_mojo:
at my check, hd2 needs another 2000 votes... its not looking good :(
[HD2 General] shu8i:
well you can start using thousands of proxys on your browser to get thousands of votes :P
[HD2 General] pepitoil:
Can't believe we're losing.... Comon guys.-- vote!!!
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
9 hrs to make up 1700 votes :S
[HD2 General] zstjohn:
LOL palm pre
[HD2 General] mdmhd2:
What a stupid POLL! It's not IP based!

If you refresh that page you can vote again and again again....

LOL

Come on, let's win this poll then. :D

We could use Auto-It to automate voting.
[HD2 General] petvas:
It is IP based. Maybe it fools you by letting you vote again, but when you do you get a message that your vote has already been counted.
[HD2 General] Hawk19:
Move your ass guys ! ^^ VOTE HD2 :p
[HD2 General] Archer:
It actually takes a random number between 1 and 10 and if it's 1 then you'll get the message that you've voted before (if you have). If you don't then it lets you vote.

Don't ask why they've got that crazy method in the page, but they have. (Well, it's not actually in the page - it's in an included .js file, in the vote method that gets called by the vote button.)
[HD2 General] Moandal:
Now only 1000 votes in it - we can do this! :)
[HD2 General] Hawk19:
HTC HD2 (TMO) 47% (7,306 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 53% (8,245 votes)

Go guys... It's possible ! VOTE HD2 ^^
[HD2 General] onitram:
By refreshing the page you can vote several times ;)
[HD2 General] G-ThGraf:
NO, read the text before the result "Thanks you have already vote"
[HD2 General] iwang:
for ease of use and interface, my HD2 (or my N1, or any blackberries) is nowhere near any palm..pre or treo pro or 680..

for hardware quality, HD2 is the best there is..

and then the physical keyboard...:p:p:p
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
Come on !!

Let's vote XDA communauty !

http://blog.laptopmag.com/march-smart-phone-madness-game-13-palm-pre-plus-vs-htc-hd2
[HD2 General] zdrux:
Haha, HD2 is catching up :)
[HD2 General] g00head:
Just voted from all 6 of my global offices :D
[HD2 General] shu8i:
vote is over in 3h. hd2 will lose this one :)
[HD2 General] anaadoul:
these votes are for the Palm and the droid, people of droid are voting against our HD2 so they can win the next match against the pre!

what a childish act!
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
There is hope !

One hour ago, it was more than 800 votes of difference, now less than 700 !

For multivoting.

Delete cookies, renew IP then you can revote !

Com'on XDA communauty !

Don't want to loose again a Palm device !

Zepiii
[HD2 General] Hawk19:
HTC HD2 (TMO) 48% (7,901 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 52% (8,538 votes)

VOTE, VOTE, VOTE ! Move YOUR ASS !

Thanx ! :p
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
So true, if we move our ass, we gonna win !

One hour ago, more than 800 votes of difference...

Now, only 625 ! Don't let a Pre(historic) Palm win versus HD2 !

Deleting cookies + Renewing IP will allow you to vote again btw...

Let's gooooooooooooo !

Ending in 2 hour 20 (check hour of the message)
[HD2 General] shu8i:
this works only if your on a dhcp ;) i have a static ip... so i can only vote once :P
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
True !

Continue, only 504 votes of difference... A bit more than an hour ago it was more than 800 ! Continue all ;)
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
HTC HD2 (TMO) 49% (8,216 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 51% (8,691 votes)

difference is getting smaller and smaller :)

i wonder how the pre got this headstart in the first place :confused:
[HD2 General] richardirv:
Just Voted!! God Knows how the HD2 is loosing!!
[HD2 General] Hawk19:
Yes, win is soon !
[HD2 General] wardh:
HTC HD2 (TMO) 49% (8,402 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 51% (8,805 votes)

About 400 more, come on =D
[HD2 General] wazaaappp:
cmon guys vote!!!! just few hours left !:eek::eek::eek:
[HD2 General] 71Cuda:
Not a few hours! Less than an hour left. The HD2 has made an amazing comeback. Let's finish it!
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
under 50 mins left until it closes!!
[HD2 General] alecs:
The gap has closed dramartically, less than 300 votes difference
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
only 30 minutes left! we can do this... everybody vote as much as you can.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
We can win this! so close
[HD2 General] Archer:
This is such a load of toss. I can't believe you lot are bothered by what some rag internet site thinks. It's not a fair vote anyway since both sides are cheating, and it's a matter of opinion as to which phone is "better". They're both girl-toys made to transform us from hunters into makeup wearing metrosexuals.

Sheep. Let's all buy iPhones and then we'll win all the votes!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Polls closed.... lost by 260 votes.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
it's over. 51 palm // 49 htc
[HD2 General] Schooleydoo:
Goodbye cruel world....
[HD2 General] Meiyo:
HTC HD2 (TMO) 49% (8944 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 51% (9214 votes)

I guess Palm Pre Plus won :/
[HD2 General] mdmhd2:
Well, should I switch to Palm Pre Plus?
[HD2 General] petvas:
It is obvious to me that you have to.
[HD2 General] pepitoil:
yes...you deserve it.... ;)
[HD2 General] manimal666:
So HD2 lost but we can make sure Pre doesnt win the final. Lets show those Pre fanboys that coming close isnt good enough! When does the final start? Whenever it is, clear those IP's and lets get voting. LOL.
[HD2 General] Shum97:
Yeah was close though..

Which smart phone is better? (Poll Closed)

HTC HD2 (TMO) 49% (8944 votes)

Palm Pre Plus (VZW) 51% (9214 votes)

Total Votes: 18158
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
I'd rather support the Pre than those Droid losers in the final round!
[HD2 General] toxicstone:
cant understand that palm pre pluse is something to have:S looks so ugly, maybe good os but i mean wtf
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
wow. We came very close.

I had my friends vote for me. only 10 though. haha.
[HD2 General] petvas:
Actually it isn't that bad. WebOS is really a great OS but it suffers from kid diseases...
[HD2 General] sylau90:
the voting website is fake...just for advertisement purposes...SH..T...can you all see the match between nexus one and pre plus?even the nexus one get 4stars and pre plus get 3and a half stars...but pre plus still win...what is that for?why we should vote?
[HD2 General] abrelosojos:
I have been using a 4GB micro Sd card for some time now.

But decided id fork out for a 16GB atlast.

Fitted the 16GB last night, No problem, Bought FPSECE 0.10 support version and a few games.

Today at work, Lunch time I pulled out my htc hd2 to enjoy abit of gaming and showing off the phone, But the Sd card was not found. I restarted the phone several times, tried everything, then decided I would format the phone.

After a format, The card was found again! yay I thought, but lunch was over so,now im home from work, The SD card is no longer read... I have now tried my 2GB micro SD card, My 4GB Micro SD card and my 16GB Micro SD card, All of which wont detect in the HD2, But will in my ORBIT 2 and PC card reader.

Is it a software fault, Or a hardware fault?

Thanks
[HD2 General] abrelosojos:
Ok

Just formatted the phone again. Instantly the Sd card was readable.

So I formatted the card from the phone..Now just hoping for the best.

My guess is some software must have had a bug or virus or something blocking the sd card from being read on the hd2.

Odd.
[HD2 General] rikardo1979:
Its SW problem not HW. I had a same prob after I installed the " tnyynt SD TuneUp " tweak. You just need to find what it is in your phone.Not easy task :-)

Try different ROM-easier way ;)
[HD2 General] abrelosojos:
16gb sdhc card failed after restart.

When it is working (Straight after format) put anything more than 500mb of data on it and it screws up!

Data transfere is around 300kb/s!!! takes the monkey abit.

Then after a soft reset, Its gone again.

I conclude the SD card is defective. I shall be getting a refund.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] lfcanjo:
Hi TD2 user i recently bought a 2200mAh for me...and i must say,completly changed the life of my TD2...I´ll leave here the link to one of the websites with the current info of this batery... i´ve shiped my from E-bay market with an excelent price....the batery is a litle bit bigger but it cames with a new size back off the phone...sorry for any english error within this thead that i´m leaving here for you...lol!;):cool:

Link:http://www.batteryupgrade.com/shopB...rtmentProductId/54290922/shopGroupId/40547521
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Bruce Inman:
You should post this in the accessories forum.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] angusc:
Has anyone tried a standard sized battery but with "higher capacity" in their TD2? if so please can you advise what brand and from where purchased.
[Touch HD General] rpettipher:
I have noticed that my HTC Touch HD consistently shows heights incorrectly - about 50m too high where I live. After some research I have identified that the NMEA message GGA contains 0 in field 11 (Geoid separation) which should contain the difference between the ellipsoid height and mean sea level height. In my Mio A701 this field contains 50.5, which explains the 50m error on the HTC.

Despite searching this forum I have been unable to find any reports of this problem. Has anyone else experienced it?

What gps chipset does the HTC Touch HD use? My copy of Sirftech does not work on it, so perhaps it is not the Sirf ?

Is there any way to correct this error?

Thanks for any information

Edit

The problem has been solved thanks to the GpsModDriver which performs this correction (amongst other things), and which can be found at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=571266.
[Touch HD General] handsomedog:
It uses the Qualcomm GPSone receiver, this isn't a discrete component as a SiRF chip would be, but is integrated into the 7201A chipset
[Touch HD General] stuntdouble:
Sounds like you need to try to flash a few different radios.
[Touch HD General] rpettipher:
GPS height error

Thanks for the information about the chipset.

Because of that I found a small program (MyGPS) which is largely based on an MS SDK demonstration, and that gives the correct height !!

As I understand it, please correct me if I am wrong, that program uses the MS SDK primitives to get information from the GPS without going through the NMEA messages (?). If it can get the correct answer then the GPS must be working, but the NMEA messages, and the programs using them (ozi explorer, visualgps ...) are wrong.

It would be very helpful if someone could confirm that they do see non-zero values in field 11 of the GGA NMEA message (between the two Ms) on an HTC Touch HD.

(One easy way to see the messages is to use the log feature of visualgps).

Thanks for your help
[Touch HD General] cybermaus:
Actually, I noticed it, and I programmed a soft-coded separation correction into the program GPSVP: http://code.google.com/p/gpsvp/

Not many chipsets have the separation. To date, I had none in my hands, other than when using a 'real' garmin connected via a cable to my PC.

Additionally, I have encountered no program that does the correction, other than gpsVP, in which I programmed that myself. I shall check that MyGPS, if it is correct, but I am sceptical, I do not believe that MS would strip the info from the chipset, nor do I believe MS has a softcoded correction.

I guess I could write some sort of serial loopback to insert the logic into other programs, but I am far to busy.

EDIT: just so you know: I only programmed this very small part into gpsVP, the rest is done by others.
[Touch HD General] rpettipher:
GPS height error

Thanks for the reply cybermaus, unfortunately I am not sure what you are saying.

What did you notice ? Zero in field 11 of the GGA message?

Are you suggesting that most chipsets put 0 in field 11?

This is certainly not the case with my Mio A701 with the Sirftech chip, which puts 50.5 into that field and gives me accurate altitude values.

It seems (I am still learning) that there are two ways to get the information from the gps, either parsing the NMEA messages or using the MS API.

In my case it seems that the first way fails and the second works.

Which does your program use, and how have you made the correction?

Thanks (in advance) for your patience with these questions.
[Touch HD General] cybermaus:
Well, yes, I am saying that the devices I encountered, all gave 0 in that field, except actual Garmin handhelds connected by serial. Also, I learned from reading in the internet, that many other people noticed the same. But that does not mean there are none. I believe any real Sirf III will do it correct, but I have a Sirf II dongle witch also does it wrong.

It even turns out there are a few devices, that put 0 in that field, but already subtract the correct separation from the geoid height, so you should not correct the value yourself.

The geoid separation is stable, and well known, you can look up the value for every coordinate on the internet. Also it varies only with a few meters per degree in the steepest places. The steepest separation is west of the mountains range of Peru. The biggest separation is a 100 mtr hole in the sea south of India.

What I did was program a hardcoded matrix with 10 degree resolution (to keep it small) with the correct geoid separation value. The program than takes your coordinates, and *interpolates* these in the matrix, to find your separation. I found it will yield the correct value within 1.5 mtrs, which is well within the GPS precision.

Also, if my program finds there is already a separation value in the field, it will *not* apply the correction, because it knows the chipset behaves properly.

If you want more details, browse the source to gpsVP. Unfortunately, you will not be able to use it for other programs if you are not a programmer or do not have access to the source of those other programs.

As I said, if I have some time, I will check out the MS API you mentioned, there is indeed a new API data structure in WM 6.1 and above, I played with it, but I did not check it for this parameter specifically. However, I am skeptical. I find it more likely the programmer from MyGPS did something similar as myself.

As to your Mio A701. Good. I said I did not encounter any other than the dedicated GPS handhelds from Garmin, but that does not mean there are none. To be quite honest, I only held 5 or so non-Garmins, so who knows.

I think the problem is not widely recognized because most people use GPS in 2D, for navigation. This 3D is more for people doing hiking, with programs like gpsVP or Ozi. Pilots and paragliders may have a 3D GPS, but know better than using it for altitude (I am a paraglider myself)

BTW: Ozi also does not correct the value, I checked.
[Touch HD General] rpettipher:
GPS height error

Thanks again for the comprehensive reply.

I am surprised that you say that most GPSs give incorrect altitudes due to the missing geoid separation field, since I have seen a lot of discussion about this problem, mostly several years old, so I assumed that any modern chipset would have it sorted. I am also surprised that no-one with an HTC Touch HD (for instance) has complained about it.

Do you have an HTC Touch HD, and are therefore confirming that this model is faulty? That is - the NMEA message GGA field 9 gives height above ellipsoid and field 11 is 0.

I would still appreciate input from any other HTC Touch HD owner on the values in these fields.

As you say, and as I have seen, ozi explorer does not do a manual correction in the way you do. It does not need to when the NMEA messages are correct since field 9 is specified to contain height above MSL.

It does, however, have an option to subtract the geoid separation field from the value in field 9 to correct for the (other faulty) case where field 9 contains the height above ellipsoid and field 11 gives the geoid separation. If I use this option on the HTC it changes nothing, since field 11 is 0, but on the Mio it then gives me heights 50m too low (as would be expected).

I will now try your program.
[Touch HD General] cybermaus:
Well, this not just my program, I only supplied 1% of the code, it just happens to be this particular part.

Anyway, yes, I do have a Touch HD. And yes, I am talking about the GGA message fields. One with altitude according to WGS84 ellipsoid, and one with the separation of said ellipsoid from the actual geoid according to the '96 model. Probably indeed fields 9 and 11, though I have not looked at the code for a few months, but it sounds about right.

Your MIO has a real Sirf III chipset. I would have expect that to work, because my Garmin also has a Sirf III in it. But as stated, I have a dongle with Sirf II, and that did not have the correction. Neither did the other dongles I have, but granted, they are all a bit aged and budget quality. Maybe my experiences are a non representative sample

But I confirm the Touch HD is faulty, and I suspect other HTC's and many other brands & models with non-dedicated chips. These do not have a real GSM chip, but a generic secondary ARM cpu shared with the GSM radio function and other radio functions like WiFi, UMTS, Bluetooth and probably even FM.

----

The way I understand it, the original GPS specifications did not have the separation specification. In '84, they simply did not realize that a simple mathematical ellipsoid model for earth and earth gravity was so incorrect.

It was only after the launch of the GSM network that they started to realize that there were so many fluctuations in the local gravity of the earth, which causes this effect, that they came up with the new '96 numerical geoid, rather than the mathematical '84 ellipsoid. Or something like that.

Of course, if HTC wanted, they could program the similar correction into the radio chip firmware, it is simple and small code. And it is 14 years after the fact. But I think they simply do not see the need.

----

If you start to use gpsVP, and you go hiking off-road, please note I find it best to use with GARMIN vector maps. I can also downloads Bing and Google raster maps, but those are not good in off-road data, though the satellite view is sometimes nice.

All in all, the program is a bit 'coarse' in its use. If you understand what it does (vector maps and preloaded cache for raster maps), it has value, but you will not be able to impress friends who are used to the smooth Google map application.
[Touch HD General] rpettipher:
GPS height error

Thanks again cybermaus.

I tried the gpsvp program, both in the htc and the Mio. On both machines I got a correct altitude and a value of 51 for the geoid separation field, which compares well with the 50.5 which appears in the GGA messages on the Mio, so it looks as if your calculation works well.

I tried changing the value of the Geoid separation parameter in the setup options, trying auto, always and never, and in all cases got exactly the same results for altitude and geoid separation, so I am a bit puzzled. Does the setup option change anything, or does one have to do something else to activate it?
[Touch HD General] cybermaus:
Well, the setup part of it is not complete yet, I think it is essentially always auto. Need to find the time and motivation to complete the coding. Log a case in the gpsVP website please.
[Touch HD General] marder:
I do not have much to contribute, but yes, living in Switzerland and hiking in the mountains I have also noticed that the altitude was wrong.

I first thought it was the inherent imprecision of the GPS, but then remarked that it was systematically off by several tens of meters.

I was also surprised that nobody complained, now I know that I am not alone.

I wish that programs like Ozi could apply the correction, or at least allow entering a fixed offset.

Thanks to cybermaus for explaining it.

Will give a try at gpspv.