yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
Do you really have to keep posting that? No one here controls what MS works on or what gets released.
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Peacceee my friend....
[Windows Mobile] anupvix:
This ROM is for i900, I used EXEcutor to dump the ROM but the DPI n RES won't match that of my device's.. Any QVGA for the build?
[Windows Mobile] animelover:
Just a tought: using res files from 29007? ;)
[Windows Mobile] YAHAHANUVOELEGANLC:
Xip&sys 29013

YOU CAN DUMP ROM FROM DIAMOND ROM.

http://u.115.com/file/f531535ced
[Windows Mobile] boggsie:
Yes, but many of the build tools do not include the dsm files, so you won't be able to use a dump tool to automatically create all of the packages.

Best regards,

-boggsie
[Windows Mobile] Tribulattifather:
Hey, Boggsie, any word on new builds?
[Windows Mobile] iggord:
WM 6.5.3 build 29014

ROM on DFT
[Windows Mobile] boggsie:
Word on the street is that the update to DFT's web site is almost, if not already, completed ... and now Boomer and M.Wang want to ensure that the build area (FTP ?) is similarly ready, before being turned on.

ETA ... I don't have any visibility (direct or otherwise) into the tasks, time or proposed completion date / window, so your guess is as good as mine.

It does appear that if you are on an inner circle, you can get access to some non-distributable builds (29013). I mention this because there are rom's available with this SYS/XIP.

Best regards,

-boggsie
[Windows Mobile] bobzero:
Screen shot from new version:

http://bbs.darkforcesteam.com.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=27993&extra=page=1
[Windows Mobile] Tribulattifather:
Cool. Thanks for the info. I'm downloading that .nbh now ^>^
[Windows Mobile] szefu:
Can someone make a mirror of 29014 sys?
[Windows Mobile] Tribulattifather:
Edit: Flat dump failed.
[Windows Mobile] bobzero:
anyone check for a build date? October/November 2010?
[Windows Mobile] iggord:
29014 - WCE build 6209 - 4 nov. 2010
[Windows Mobile] pupakota:
Is there anyone able to post CORE only?

You know, 7z file, max 23 mb of systemfiles or so as it used to be since beginning?
[Windows Mobile] mwalt2:
The dump is useless. There are no dsm's (no packages are created, it's just a flat dump) and it was built with a kitchen that deleted the last S00x in all of the modules. They are not usable, so getting a working SYS out of it will not work.
[Windows Mobile] mwang:
wait for 2-3 days our FTP will alive again , we are working with that now due to new version forum software pproblem , btw we add some languages in the forum you just need click on top of flag choose you language:D
[Windows Mobile] Wajk:
good news! thnx a lot! :D
[Windows Mobile] pupakota:
See? This is info that saves 800 mb download.

Thanks mwalt2.

I'd like to say thanks to You, mwang, wm will be still alive(despite of HTC plans) just because of such people like you, m8.
[Windows Mobile] sharkie405:
Sweet deal on the language option! That will make things easier for some of us. Thanks for that and everything! Cant' wait! :)
[Windows Mobile] Pumpiron579:
Great news mwang, Thanks for the update
[Windows Mobile] cheers_w:
woo! Cool, good news.
[Windows Mobile] Tribulattifather:
Sorry about the flat dump, guys. I should have checked it before I uploaded it and not assumed it just worked ^>^ and should have also known that dumping a custom ROM hardly ever works..

I'll let the pro's handle it next time, lol. :o
[Windows Mobile] Walla_j:
wat r the changes in 23699?

i hav 23676 rite now...

and as per appearance/visual changes which series is the best?
[Windows Mobile] pupakota:
<sudden thought>

Maybe pr0's don't need whole 800 mb to have effect?

<please, ignore>
[Windows Mobile] szefu:
Any news guys?
[Windows Mobile] :
Don't you think that if there was any news you will see it here??
[Windows Mobile] + Que PPC:
lets keep the thread out of this unneeded comments :cool:
[Windows Mobile] bobzero:
build 29017 and 29014 are now in use @ DFT.

[2011-02-26] LEO_T8585_3_1_4_WM6_5_3_29017

How come they're not sharing.

Oh look, someone on XDA is using 29017 too:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=970424
[Windows Mobile] Monfro:
Some of us has to PM him and gently ask to upload 29017 build...to make it available to all community.

I suggest a moderator or an important member to do it.
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
I'd suggest either leaving them alone or sending them a donation. Either way, waiting is better than bugging them.
[Windows Mobile] AndrewSh:
The guy is one of DFT admins. Sure they have some builds. And sure - for internal usage for now.

:)
[Windows Mobile] Monfro:
Maybe we can do a fund collection and donate them...so we can show we appreciate their work...

If their decision is to keep new builds available only for internal usage (at least for now), they have their motivations and we have to respect them.

...but our addiction needs to be feeded :)
[Windows Mobile] Rapid81:
I have withdrawal symptoms. I not cooked any ROMs since more than a month now. :D

I'm eagerly waiting for the new builds.
[Windows Mobile] sharkie405:
Your ROM is perfect with nothing else to do? :)

I always have new ideas and new things I want to do!
[Windows Mobile] NRGZ28:
Eh.. MS hasn't really "improved" anything lately anyway. When's the last time you saw or noticed a significant change in any of the latest builds ? I know I haven't... nothing worth writing home about, that's for sure.
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
last "significant" improvement i noticed was the step from 6.5.3.9 to 6.5.3.10.

the memory management from htc branch (216XX) was integrated into wmd branch then (231XX).

in all the later wmd builds (6.5.3.11 and 6.5.3.12 builds) i did not notice further improvements.

let alone ui improvements.. long time no optical changes visible....

now it seems like 6.5.3 is abandoned by microsoft or in maintenance mode.

even the htc huashan (wm6.5.3) now turned into a android device (final version).

i really hope that there will be some new wm builds but i doubt it....

the only htc devices with official com3 builds are the hd mini and the oboe now.

the hdmini is still sitting on the old 23103 sys build with no sign of updates.
[Windows Mobile] _Madmatt:
There is a 23152 build too. But I don't see a huge diffirence with 23103. But 23152 is the newest one in HVGA resolution, isn't it? Otherwise, I'd like to test the newest one :)
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
i meant that the htc hd mini is still on 23103 "officially".

or did i miss a official hdmini rom by htc with newer sys than 23103?

latest oboe 1.18 rom = 23148 (6.5.3.11) only asia

latest huashan 1.27 rom = 23137 (6.5.3.9 - before it was turned into a android device by htc)

latest leaked sys build = 23152 (6.5.3.12)

huashan wm6.5.3 before it turned into a android device:

huashan final android device:
[Windows Mobile] _Madmatt:
As far as I know, there are no official HTC builds for HTC Photon newer than 23013, unfortunately... Isn't it possible to port the latest WM build to HVGA screen res?
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
sure it is possible. i also cooked a hdmini rom with newer sys than 23103.

but it seems like you missed my point. i'm talking about official htc rom updates.

and the future of windows mobile 6.5.3 itself (>23152).

if there would be a htc 6.5.3 device like huashan in europe (of course without that crazy colors),

this would be my next device. it even features a kickstand....

basically i only got the mozart for free with re-sign contract because no wm6.5.3 device by htc with at least 4" screen is available.

but it seems like besides the hdmini there won't be any other 6.5.3 devices from htc outside asia.
[Windows Mobile] _Madmatt:
Yeah, I got your point ;) But for me, it doesn't have to be a official upgrade ;) I'd be happy already if I could use the fastest build out there (because with 23152 the thing is slow...).

Of course it would be nice to see new official HVGA builds of HTC (just to have updated Sense and apps) :)
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
i'm not really talking about new hd mini rom updates...

i'm talking about htc hd2 6.5.3 rom update and new 6.5.3 devices by htc...

it seems like windows mobile 6.5/6.5.3 is abandoned by microsoft AND htc....
[Windows Mobile] _Madmatt:
Indeed, and I hadn't expected it to be else... Microsoft hasn't made any publicity with their Smartphone platform untill they release WP7. It's clear that they now put all of their focus on WP7 and no longer on the too old 6.5.3. You know, in the WM roadmap, WM6.5 wasn't even planned...

And HTC just has to follow, because now MS has left the 6.5.3, very much developers are leaving too. So making new phones with 6.5.3 is useless, because there are no new apps for it (and apps are very important these days).
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
i see it somehow different. i only have to use apps if the operating system and ui does not provide important stuff already.

i am already lucky with my hd2 and htc sense. everything i need is already there.

the only real reason for wp7 in my opinion is the intuitive and fast ui. nothing else is really important for me.

for example:

on the hd2 i dont need a twitter/facebook/rss app because it's all built in already.

i don't even have to download any app if i use my own custom rom.

i can install everything i need via uc or from sdcard.

gimme some input why wp7 is really needed (besides ui and maybe games)...
[Windows Mobile] Rapid81:
The UI of WP7 is a really ugly thing... And the WP7 is not even supports multitasking and customization of the UI. The MS is going on a wrong way of copying iOS.
[Windows Mobile] _Madmatt:
MS thinks that building an iOS2 will succeed. But they'd better built something like WM6.5.3, but a lot faster and with nicer UI. However, it's too late. My next one will be an Android...
[Windows Mobile] sternas:
My info from developers World...

MS preparing "Windows Embedded Compact 7" link

and prototype preview

including

-Internet Explorer with Flash 10.1

-new UI framework called "Silverlight" for Windows Embedded Compact 7

-powerful real-time OS

-etc
[Windows Mobile] Monfro:
Microsoft is continuing development of Windows Mobile 6.5.3 as Microsoft Embedded Handheld. The first device to receive this continued support of the operating system is the Motorola ES400S. The latest SYS build to be leaked is 29017. Unfortunately it is not public outside DFT.

Thanks to cajunflavoredbob
[Windows Mobile] Rapid81:
I like the UI of the ES400. I hope we'll get our hands on it soon. More sofisticated and useful UI than WP7.
[Windows Mobile] cajunflavoredbob:
Thanks. I guess I probably should have posted that here instead...
[Windows Mobile] Rapid81:
If someone have some free time, maybe could do something special to us:

http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000...nterprise-user-interface-aka-fusion-titanium/
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
WM 21689 is also in some ROMs on the DFT site... :)

WM6.5.3 is not dead after all!
[Windows Mobile] Halvarez:
No DFT no party :rolleyes:

Just wondering why Redmond stuffs leaks out in China....
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
Da_G had a connection and got US builds, but that either dried up or he just decided to move on to other things.
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
Probably because WM6.5.3 development is still going on even at HTC, aimed for the Chinese market.

I just really want to see a WM6.5.3 leak for the Leo, to finally get native packages...
[Windows Mobile] iggord:
build 29008.5.3.09 dft
[Windows Mobile] BoomerCE:
Sorry guys but we were in trouble with our server these months... Now everything is fine and new builds are coming in the following days:)

DFT
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
And let me be the first one to say thank you! :)

You really make having our "old" devices fun to use!
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
29008 5.3.9 by DFT

http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=444&p=77743#post77743

Here you can find the newest 29008 by DFT! Also thanks to Anhphe076 for the share!

Download HERE.

The fix is attached, also shared by Anhphe076! :D
[Windows Mobile] af974:
Thanks for Mirrors lecamtran.

Thanks AndrewSh and DFT for sharing.
[Windows Mobile] YAHAHANUVOELEGANLC:
Thanks

Thanks for Mirrors lecamtran.

Thanks AndrewSh and DFT for sharing.
[Windows Mobile] skr_xd:
Thanks to everyone for sharing:)
[Windows Mobile] zard:
Firstly, thanks to Boomer, DFT, lecamtran and AndrewSAndrewS. I've been struggling with the DFT website, not so easy to do a download, even when I managed to register and complete the 3 tasks required of a novice.
[Windows Mobile] FD10:
Thanks to AndrewSh and DFT for sharing always updated builds ;)
[Windows Mobile] variosteph:
thanks to everyone involved with the new builds

especially mwang & boomer!:-)
[Windows Mobile] AndrewSh:
mwang & boomer are the guys to be thanked for sharing. Do not forget to spend a couple of bucks to support the resource.

Nice guy rewwps (asusmobile.ru) made all hard work downloading and re-uploading the stuff provided by DFT for you here

:)

Let's start cooking!!!
[Windows Mobile] celoni:
i totally agree with...thanks you and dft for sharing new builds
[Windows Mobile] patensas:
a BIG word of THANKS for all involved in sharing the latest builds. I respect al the great work you guys do keeping us cooking :rolleyes:

And a special thank you for the mirrors provided on XDA, don't need to learn Chinese for these ;)
[Windows Mobile] wsparvis:
AndrewSH - perhaps too early to ask this question: do you know yet if these builds have the htmlnote issue? I'll try a build later today, just wondered if you knew yet.

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
a BIG THANKS to DFT for the new builds.
[Windows Mobile] AndrewSh:
wsparvis, will report about 23129 in 5 minutes - right now passing calibration :)

P.S. New 23129 DOES NOT have htmlnote issue. Hopefully other builds - also but that will be clear later
[Windows Mobile] alesscam:
thank's to DFT for sharing
[Windows Mobile] wsparvis:
AndrewSH - that's excellent news! Thanks much for the quick feedback. Hopefully, then, it was just a bug that MS accidently put into the last batch of builds. :)

EDIT: and 23129 is the one I planned to use anyway!
[Windows Mobile] AndrewSh:
Вuild 25024 - htmlnote - old, so the SMS bug - still in.

Build 22036 - NO htmlnote issues ... and looks better for me than 25024 - more changes in significant modules

But for now 23129 - is the best one to use....
[Windows Mobile] kaywchan:
Thank you for the new builds!

A BIG thanks to DFT and all others involved in making these newer builds available to us!

Anyone know if the caller ID problem is fixed in these new releases (like 23129)?
[Windows Mobile] indagroove:
It's fixed if you use the right HTC dialer, which is native to COM3 builds.
[Windows Mobile] kaywchan:
Thanks for the quick answer Indagroove.
[Windows Mobile] rgb-rgb:
Could you pont me to a COM3 Phone Canvas that would work on a Rhodium please? There are so many fixes and solved threads that I don't know what is what anymore.
[Windows Mobile] raiderfan247365:
use the huashan dialer. it will work fine
[Windows Mobile] Monfro:
I hope that in a few hours we can put our hands also on 29009, 29011, 29014, 29017, 21689 and others...

Most of all 29017 :)
[Windows Mobile] illi:
I hope there will also be a COM2 proceeding 21916:D
[Windows Mobile] cajunflavoredbob:
Unlikely. That branch has been silent for six months or so now. It seems that WM6.5.3 branches are the only ones still in active development anymore.
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Saddly :( I don't like the design of wm6.5x :\
[Windows Mobile] illi:
I Thought so:( I dont like 6.5.x too:mad::D
[Windows Mobile] cajunflavoredbob:
Well, Microsoft is only planning to continue development of WM6.5.3 from now on as they transition from Windows Mobile into Windows Embedded Handheld.
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
So, seriously, WM6.5.3 and the update are a good thing, but i think that microsoft could make a better design ( the horrible button at the bottom :\ )

When could we test Windows Handeld ?
[Windows Mobile] cajunflavoredbob:
You already are. Microsoft is only changing the name of Windows Mobile. It's not a different OS. Windows Embedded Handheld (WEH) is simply what WM6.5.3 is now called. "WEH" is faster to type than "WM6.5.3" anyway.

It's just a name change; nobody panic...
[Windows Mobile] SimiN95:
For my htc artemis(p3300), which SYS pack donwload?
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
Uh, whichever one you want to build a rom with.
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
LOL... Good answer! :)
[Windows Mobile] Pumpiron579:
Yes, It has been along time.
[Windows Mobile] Rapid81:
21687 is out on DFT's site, but I don't have an account and I cannot reg, because I don't have invitaion either. :)

I'm really waiting for the 29017. :D
[Windows Mobile] illi:
Quite curious. Why 29017 especially?;)
[Windows Mobile] dtbinh:
29009 is out in DFT. Can anyone upload it please?
[Windows Mobile] Rapid81:
Maybe that one is the newest one? :D
[Windows Mobile] illi:
It's not COM2?:p
[Windows Mobile] cajunflavoredbob:
Yea, but COM2 is dead now. Gotta move on sooner or later...
[Windows Mobile] Monfro:
29009

Here it is, thank to AndrewSh and DFT:

http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=444&p=77912#post77912

Direct link:

http://dl.dbank.com/c0j4m7yo8s
[Windows Mobile] SiemensLover:
Do Builds 290xx have the Caller ID problem?

How is this Build compared to Build 231xx

Thanx

WBR

Siemens Lover
[Windows Mobile] AndrewSh:
Archive password

PM6Pangd
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Hello

Thanks a lot for these news build !

I'm unable to download the 29009.

Dbank is installed on my PC but after ?? Nothing hapens:'(
[Windows Mobile] szefu:
don't download this .exe file. Just click on the filename.

BTW, the 29009_COMMON.7z is missing in the package
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Yes, but i can see all the packages, only the first 5.

Anyone could upload all the packages on another miror please ?
[Windows Mobile] szefu:
http://www.mediafire.com/?dfts631jak4bm08

from mobileunderground
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
A :)

Thanks a lot for the mirror !

Just a question : From which build can i take the 040C ( FRENCH ) MUI file ?

Com3 ? Com5 ? What is the latest build multi langage please?

Thanks a lot :)
[Windows Mobile] SimiN95:
So, I want to do a rom for my htc artemis(p3300), with Windows mobile 6.5.5 build 23563. If, any package SYS is fine, which package SYS do you recommend?

Sorry for my english.
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Hello,

First i dont' understand your questions

Second, why dou you want to use WM6.5.5 instead of the future of Windows Mobile , named Windows Embedded Handeld ( WM6.5.3 ) ?
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Please, what is the latest rollup for Windows Embedded Handeld ( Wm6.5.3) ?

Thanks a lot :)
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
The last "official build" is 23152.

The last "development build" 29009 (just released).
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
Thanks a lot, so 23152 and 29009 are Windows Embedded Handeld ( WM6.5.3) ?
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
As someone pointed out earlier, its just a name change.

But if I had to say something, then 29009 is the forward-looking build...
[Windows Mobile] Nixeus:
OK Thanks.

So it's better to cook on 29009 in order to having the latest news :)

Thanks.

23563 is the latest rollup ? is'nt it ?
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
Build 21687 HTC AKU 5.3.11 (Sep 16 2010 15:43:53) from DFT:

21687_XIP_WVGA_0409_DFT.rar (41.41 MB)

Thanks to Dark Forces Team. One of the fastest builds i tried.
[Windows Mobile] hasseye:
anyone know whats the build date on 29009? Also what com is it?
[Windows Mobile] HD2Owner:
21913 AKU 5.0.94 (Jul 13 2010 17:01:02) - Leo 3.14

21916 AKU 5.0.95 (Aug 06 2010 16:49:39)

23103 AKU 5.3.3 (Feb 04 2010 18:44:41) - Photon 1.36

23563 AKU 5.5.0 (Apr 15 2010 15:55:02)

23569 AKU 5.5.0 (Apr 27 2010 15:55:46)

23127 AKU 5.3.7 (Jun 22 2010 12:12:09) - Oboe 1.08

23129 AKU 5.3.8 (Jul 06 2010 16:26:03)

23136 AKU 5.3.9 (Aug 16 2010 23:18:54)

23137 AKU 5.3.9 (Aug 20 2010 00:31:38) - Huashan 1.27

23139 AKU 5.3.9 (Sep 09 2010 15:55:32)

23146 AKU 5.3.10 (Sep ?? 2010 ??:??:??)

29009 AKU 5.3.10 (Sep 30 2010 15:49:11)

21687 AKU 5.3.11 (Sep 16 2010 15:43:53)

23148 AKU 5.3.11 (Sep 23 2010 15:54:05) - Oboe 1.18

23149 AKU 5.3.11 (Sep ?? 2010 ??:??:??)

23150 AKU 5.3.12 (Nov 18 2010 16:52:47)

23151 AKU 5.3.12 (Nov 23 2010 14:29:41)

23152 AKU 5.3.12 (Nov ?? 2010 ??:??:??)
[Windows Mobile] SiemensLover:
@ HD2Owner,

i sent u a pm, can u plz reply?

WBR

Siemens Lover
[Windows Mobile] Farmer Ted:
The first post says it's an unknown branch.
[Windows Mobile] SiemensLover:
does Builds 290xx have caller ID issue?

WBR

Siemens Lover
[Windows Mobile] iggord:
290xx - mix 6.5.5\6.5.3

date

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=11380289&postcount=1334
[Windows Mobile] Spiaatie:
It's not just a name change, but the real WEH have a new boot screen and a new theme. And maybe other changes, but those builds haven't leaked yet.

​
[Windows Mobile] kristofpetho:
Thanks, this is good to know... I wonder then what build number they will be getting...
[Windows Mobile] cajunflavoredbob:
WM upgrade path.

Since we're on the subject of new builds and how WEH fits into it, I thought I'd elaborate a bit on the future of our aging OS.

Windows Mobile 6 is in the end of its life. It reached the beginning of its end of life cycle in Q3 last year. In that time frame, Microsoft began deploying WP7. WP7 is not the successor to WM6 or WEH. The line of upgrades will follow a different path.

As we all know, Windows Mobile is currently transitioning into Windows Embedded Handheld. Essentially, they are the same thing with a different name. Both use the CE5/6 core. Windows Phone 7 uses the CE 6 Revision 3 core in version 1. These systems are incompatible as we've been seeing. This breaks the upgrade chain for Windows Mobile. However, as I mentioned, WP7 is not the successor to WM6.

As WEH picks up steam in its course this year, it will eventually transition into another iteration of itself. In the second half of this year, WEH is supposedly going to begin using Windows Embedded Compact 7 (WEC7) as its core. This provided us with an alternative upgrade path from the dead end of WP7.

Windows Embedded Compact 7 began shipping at the end of last year to be used in slates and other consumer handheld devices. OEMs were encourages to add their own custom UIs. I don't have much information on WEC7 at the moment since it really hasn't hit any markets or news sources that I'm aware of.

Keeping that in mind, it is also of note that WP7 is set to begin using WEC7 instead of CE6 as its core in the next major release of the platform. I don't know if this will be in any way compatible with other WM6/WEH devices, but I would say it's unlikely.

It seems more likely that Microsoft is planning to separate their enterprise devices from their mass-market devices.

So to recap, Windows Mobile is set to be re-branded as Windows Embedded Handheld. Both using the CE5/6 core initially. Windows Embedded Handheld will eventually be updated to use the Windows Embedded Compact 7 core in late 2011. The platform will still be known as Windows Embedded Handheld at that point. This platform is supposedly aimed at enterprise level consumers.

Windows Phone 7 currently uses the CE6 R2 core. It is scheduled to be updated to the Windows Embedded Compact 7 core later this year as well. It will also retain its name as Windows Phone 7. This platform is supposedly aimed at the mass-market consumers.

Hopefully this clears up the upgrade path thing for most people. Stop worrying about Windows Mobile. The name is changing. It's not a big deal. It isn't a dead platform. (At least not yet, anyway. ;))
[Windows Mobile] sternas:
For true documentation of Windows Embedded Compact 7

here (a lot of technical pdf released Mar 2011)

You can download

Windows Embedded Compact 7 trial DVD from here

OEM Ms OSbuilder...etc

oh, and lab test video here

more after my tests...
[Windows Mobile] BoomerCE:
Yeah... As of 29017, still no new themes.

Another problem... Could you please do me a favor to try and build an iPAQ hx4700 WM65 ROM in 0804 / Simplified Chinese?:D I couldn't get it to boot in any version of WM65...