yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] osrix:
9.5 CHT - Very nice work

Thanks for this excellent ROM, I used to use Miri roms on my touch pro and tp2 so tried and tested for me,

But what you've done with it is nothing short of brilliant work,

The graphics are excellent and nicely executed but with Under the hood tweaks make this my favorite ROM for quite some time. first flash didnt take too well, but it has been running sweet for the last week with no problems whatever.

Oh yeah and I discovered your lockscreen yesterday...Awesome :D

As the above poster mentioned this ROM runs fine with no tweaks added, ive not changed anything other than added my AGPS Reg settings and CHT preference

Thanks for your hard work
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HC4Life:
Can any one share this beautiful wallpaper?

Thanx ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ipoeng:
HTC Album Always Close By it Self

BIGGGG THANK TO Miri & Steve007, it really good work,

I'm using Elegancia v9.5 with HTC Messaging

Reviews:

Speed: 5/5 stars

Stability: 4/5 Stars

-> Co0kies Home Tab sometimes shows unpredictable behaviors while setting-up wallpaper especially lock screen

Skin Interface: 4/5 Stars

-> you should change taskbar icons, it's not clear enough to see the status

-> bottom bar skin better if transparent (like win7)

Applications: 5/5 Stars, good collection of apps

Memory Usage: 5/5, give big room for additional apps

BUG!!!!::(

HTC Album always close if I open album folder in

Device Storage with many files (more than 50),

but in SD Storage it's OK

Question:

How to: NOT automatically connect to Internet if any application need it

I really like if it can be manual connect

---------------------

My Phone:

HTC HD2 T8585

Radio: 2.12.50.02_2

Protocol: 15.40.50.07U

HSPL: SPL-2.08.HSPL 8G XE (CotullaHSPL)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
v8.5

Hey can somebody please provide me with the link to v8.5?

Thanks in advance

EDIT***

I found it :)

EDIT***

Bad Link :(

I still need it thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] redhuan9:
hurm...just little confused since there is a new v9.5 why need v8.5 ? :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
because i like that version the best.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] redhuan9:
hurm..can i noe how to determine some version is d best or not ? is it not the latest d better ?

Many thks in advance since im new here .. previously im use Elegancia ROM from v8.0 but its hardly drain my battery..any answer?

now im use MaesusLeo 2.7.2 .. its better since i can hold my device until 2days(use all)..but still facing 'hang' problem..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
The latest is not always the best. :) When I had v8.5 I had NO problem. I was trying to find mistakes, but couldn't :D on version GTX 9.0 and 9.5 the swype lags. :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HC4Life:
Thanx man ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Here it is :)

HTC Messaging: HERE

No HTC Messaging: HERE

Enjoy !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Pekas, the Wallpapers are posted in post 3 or 4, all of them (those in Elegancia Roms + others) :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] wicksie:
Hi, loving this ROM since 8.5 (I know, a later comer) but love Miri's work and now loving Steve's work too.

However, I cannot find a download for MaxSence as listed on the first post, am I missing something obvious?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] rexboy:
Agreed, im using v9 as i like the secure box sms, doesnt seem to install correctly when i try it via a CAB.

Also Swype 3.9 hangs big time, i actually installed swype 2.0 over it, much faster, well for me anyway which i prefer vs looks etc.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Look @ the changelog post, there is a direct link to MaxSense.

Just for the MaxSense lovers, good news, I have the lastest MaxSense (1.04) and will get starting now all the new releases :)

We just need to wait for Miri's Roms to be updated now :cool:

The n we will work on new E-CHT, new E-GTX (whenever new GTX theme is updated) and new E-MaxSense
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noris08:
good news!:)

please make a cht version with 3.04 base as is so fats, please, please, please:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Boysa22:
The clock from GTX

Hello,

Is there a way to extract the clock from the E-GTX theme, to install only that? I like the design of the clock very much and I want to be able to install it on other ROMs.

With best regards,

Boyan
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
thanks mate :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
I think that's the target :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] spyrale:
hi Steve, can i make a request for the upcoming rom? :D

can you and miri make that crappy and useless microsoft facebook app uninstallable? :) thanks!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Paschinski:
I consider that app quite useful, but if it can be made uninstallable, why not ;)

The only thing that never works in this app is to view a picture :/
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] spyrale:
yeah, useful because actually is the only one :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] angelossssss:
Hey people, one quick question.

I read in the forum that radio 2.07.51.22_2 is considered the best for battery life.

Is it compatible with elegancia rom?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Read the first posts. Then you will know :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] angelossssss:
I did when i flashed it.

I was hoping that someone might have tryed other radios than the recommended ones and if there were any problems.

Thanks anyway.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Paschinski:
It needs to be a .50. not a .51.!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noris08:
@steve

before you release your next version, can you please check the creacks and hiss noises during the call? they are present in your last 2-3 versions no matter what radio i use and they made me change your great rom after few days for another chef's om

for sure is not my phone as with other roms the noises are not present

thank you!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Well, that is interesting because I have never experience this with his ROM. This seems to be pretty common with a lot ROMs and it seems to be radio related. At least that has been the common way of resolving the issue. You just have to find the right radio that works well for you with this ROM.

For the chef, this will be like chasing a ghost especially when he does not have these issues and no way of duplicating it. Why don't start by providing complete details of your phone and poll the others in this thread to see if they have the same issue with the same phone and configuration.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Boysa22:
I have the same issues

I have the very same issues using E-GTX. With the original stock ROM I do not have them, but the radio of the original ROM (2.06.51.07) is not compatible with Elegancia, so I had to flash it to 2.12.50.02.

Also tried three of the supported radios: 2.08.50.08_2, 2.10.50.19_2 and 2.12.50.02. With all of them I have the same issue.

Any ideas?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] CHIxCITY:
How do i turn off delivery reports....i turned it off on options but it keeps beeping every damn time i send a text and its annoying
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] osrix:
Here you go mate, its buried in the first couple of post...it works! HERE
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] CHIxCITY:
thanks man :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] joutz:
radio 2.12.50.02. ?

what you parry radio 2.12.50.02. ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Can you reformalize your question please ? Are you looking for this radio?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Elegancia ROM with MaxSense

Hi Steve,

I have a small question.

The main post of MaxSense says that release 1.02/1.03 have been released. But there exist versions 1.04 and NRGZ has updated his ROM to MaxSense version 1.04.3

How is it possible that NRGZ can obtain these versions so quickly? Even not released officially?

It is not fair for us Elegancians.... :(

We had to wait a while before you were able to get "some" version from Maxcy.

July 3rd, 2010 NRGZ ROM Changelog:

* Added MaxSense 1.0.4.3 ROMs

* New GTX ROMs with CHT 1.8.5
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] joutz:
reformalize

I wanted to ask on the radio if there are other opinions across to him? is stable? what better than the other versions?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Hi Man,

I also have the latest MaxSense. Now Maxcy has given me the keys to access to the latest MaxSense, so as soon as Miri updates his base and Rom the newest MaxSense will be tested and if good enough will be release. Hopefully by next week we should get E-MaxSense :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tlerner:
Boot screen problem

Hello,

I have a problem with a boot screen picture which is stuck on Cruzer HD2 ROM. I have since flashed Energy, Elegancia and stock roms (various versions of all of them), but the Cruzer picture is still there when the phone starts.

Can someone help me remove it?

Thanks in advance ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vasilis266:
Here you go mate!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=691687&highlight=splash+screen
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Hi Steve,

Many thanks :) It is fine to know that we have access to the latest version.

Let's wait for Miri's magic first :)

btw, will the MaxSense theme be Eleganced? (such as the main "home" button and / or settings icons)

Take Care,

Orhan
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
I have seen Windows 7 theme which i find nice + I think a little bit of Elegancia touch will be nice too :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sardelisp:
Yessssssssssssssssssssss!!!!

I want new theme!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noris08:
here you can find the original splash screens
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pinchecl:
Could anyone help me out? I am using GTX v9.0, without a problem. However, when starting the device I get the welcomescreen of chucky rom GTX, apparently a leftover from a previous test. I did a task29, a new radio, the elegancia GTX and a hard reset. No luck. It's not a big problem, just annoying. If someone knows what to do, please...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sardelisp:
read post above!!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pinchecl:
thanks, just missed it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Zouluynes:
Why to tweak?

Hello Steve,

As I've read in other posts, french and english, the best to do with elegancia is : "not to tweak anything, it's perfect as is..."

I agree with that. That's why I'll not install anymore BsB tweaks, which is a nice tool, but not usefull in Elegancia context.

As screenshot I'll install "ShakeandSave" and for Manila Left Softkey I just regedit two lines.

Cheers !!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Paschinski:
Feedback, since I'm on 9.5 for about 2 weeks now:

- overall very smooth and fast Rom! :)

- there seems to be a problem with the Internet Tab. I had trouble to assign the shortcuts to the six spots, because the system slowed down a lot. With the 6 links set, it's nearly impossible to scroll down to more shortcuts. When i closed the browser after surfing and get back to the inet tab it's really slow again (normally I scroll back to home - and it's stuttering getting back there)

- I always use the end call hardware-key to get my HD2 into standby. In the 2 weeks it happened 4 times that I wasn't able to get it "back to life". I pressed the key again and all it did was light up the hardware keys and the display stayed black. I had to take out the battery and restart it
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dXsL:
not entirely true :)

.51 just supports "576 hack", .50 does not
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] x-mann:
Anything new comming soon mr Steve? :)

ty
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noris08:
yeah steve, we are kinda hungry here;)

will you bake something for us?:)

cheers
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Hi Guys,

Miri and I have been busy in our real life...

But there is a good news for us - Elegancian lovers

E-CHT (6.5 base)

Ex-CHT (6.5.x base)

E-MaxSense (1.04)

and as soon as GTX 1.8.5 theme available E-GTX

will be release between tomorrow and Friday/saturday, and yes it will be with all Manila 2.5 2016 packages :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noris08:
hurray!

looks like a busy weekend for us:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gigisala1:
Waiting for new release:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] xchicagoan5:
Seems Like It's Been an Eternity for a new E-GTX

Hoping for a new GTX this weekend :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Rick Chase:
:0....theres gonna be a 6.5 build! i will never have to flash another rom again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Hi Steve,

Just curious, what was the reason to create 2 builds for E-CHT ? 6.5 and 6.5.5 ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
We got many requests to also make Elegancia CHT with 6.5 build. Some guys prefer 6.5 roms :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
So what's the difference between 6.5 and 6.5.5? can TMOUS use both versions?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Moonblood:
its possible to release a non-htc messaging version again?

what about a fix to update album art in music tab? in 9.5 does not works...

Thanks!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Many Thanks :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] digitalhater:
Hi Steve!

I feel like I need to flash a new ROM. I'm currenty on your 9.5 ROM. When should I expect version 10 as I plan to flash a new ROM today.

Thanks a lot brother!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bodybuilder27:
Before I installed my new ROM (Elegancia 9.5) I used to have WAY more settings and options in the camcorder.....superfine etc.....bbut now the only quality, or resolution it allows me to choose from is:

L (320 x 240)

CIF (352 x 288)

or

VGA (640 x 480)

Does this mean i'm not going to get as good quality as I would If I had the normal options to select like "superfine" etc??

cheers

Matt
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bodybuilder27:
exact same problem...it's PI**ING ME OFF!!!

matt
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bodybuilder27:
you gonna fix the issue with the camcorder???

a LOT of people including myself have all the fine, superfine settings etc missing after installing 9.5.

Matt
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Everything works fine on my side. All settings are as it should be.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] weepatc:
Guys whats the problem here. The ROM is perfection. Registry entry can be added fom stickies only takes seconds. Do you need everything done for you?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
can anybody tell me the difference between 6.5 and 6.5.5?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ricko2169:
6.5 Is the original OS base shipped with the phone and has the start menu button at the top. In theory these builds should be more stable, and run more programs reliably as I dont think 6.5.5 is an official release (someone may correct me here?).

6.5.5 Has the start menu at the bottom and is a little more finger friendly.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bibihtc:
Installed last night Miri_Steve0007_Elegancia_V9.5. God team work, well done guys.

Some facts:

1. Great graphic smooth and ergonomic

2. 32% batt drain in 5 hours (no calls, 15 min rss news + opera wifi)

3. Some times start menu bar does't refresh so I come back to home screen with radio buttons from last app.

I wait for 10.0

Thx guys
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zkid2010:
Ugh, you probably don't need to quote the whole ROM info and release page :( As a rule of thumb, you should probably try a couple of approaches like 1) Ask politely and then wait patiently for some assistance as more than likely someone will answer your issue or 2) go try a different ROM while you wait for 1) :D

Embarrassingly simple and I know none of you want to come off as ungrateful douches towards people who do this out of a passion for tweaking their phone OS's then share it with a community of like-minded owner/users. ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] wakers:
Couldn't agree with you more i can't believe the tone on some people's requests...

These Roms are provided FOC after people have spent countless hours trying to perfect them and this rom is superb..

Have a bit of respect and also as mentioned in the quote above have a quick look its not that hard to change any of the settings on your phone...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bora2211:
In my opinion this is one of the best ROM for LEO.

On my side everything wokrs very good.

I had just one problem, when I tuned up the Igo PRIMO it was discrepancy with landscape orientation.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] WenWM:
This has been the longest "Coming Soon" in my life.... still waiting :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Dunc001:
Take a chill pill...

Read the quote above yours and chill out! And when it does eventually arrive get out your Paypal login and show some appreciation for all the hard work!

I have flashed every ELegancia ROM since v7.77 and have bought beers every time. I have now given up a ****load of my time to put together some graphics for this release as my big thank you to Steve & Miri. I am always happy to wait no matter how long because in my opinion these are by far and away the most polished ROMs out there. So I say again - chill out. The best things come to those who wait - quietly! :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Dunc001:
More likely to be something in your Primo sys.txt? I'm running both iGo8 and Primo from my SD card and have no issue with either one on any of the last 3 Elegancia releases. Let me know if you would like my Primo sys.txt to see if that helps.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] qGa:
agreed! You can't rush perfection. They like to rush, but no donate. They are busy in there real life. He said thurs/fri/sat, so basically sometime this weekend.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] carlos_polanco:
LOL Chill my friend.

I'm waiting for this one too ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] rexboy:
yep that comment will inspire him for sure to hurry up....not.cmon use your brains before posting such sarcastic pointless comments. is it any wander some of the developers cant be bothered anymore with such gratitude. you probably haven't even donated a cent, I want it all for free and I want it now....give me a break!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Paschinski:
Weeeeeeeeeeeelllll.... Soon has been replaced with July 10th in the topic header :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] WenWM:
Emmm telling me to chill out? I was making a simple comment on my excitement. This is why I hate posting on regular people thread, because it seems people get mad about simple comments. I should stick to the News writer/mod section instead of here where people are like all touchy.

And I flash so!! many ROMs I never donate. I do better, I write about it on WMPoweruser, and tell 10 People to give it a look, and even donate. Now I am sure they appreciate that alot also considering they are in a sea of ROMs.

Ya, Okay,

Emmm I have talk to Miri and Steve before about it, so you chill. I said it before above. Giving him atleast 2000 more flashers is probrable better than me donating something small to every rom I flash(Alot from HD2, TP2, Diam2, and More, Even Android). So Ya, They know how much I love their ROMz. I wrote a great review about it, and they were happy about it.

Gush you guys need to drink more coffee and not me so! touchy about one small comment. BTW buddy you are right, free cannot be beat. I mean being me, I havent paid for anything in forever, apps, phones, acessories, the whole nine yard.... free for me ;) :p

Since my first comment seems to make people mad, I guess I wont comment anymore.

ill "Chill OUt" :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] colint3:
soon

I hate it when they do this. I can handle soon in the header but to then put 10/7/10 in the header and when you try to download the files are still 19/6/10. scroll down a bit further and it says coming soon.

I got all excited just to be let down.

PLEASE DO NOT PUT "SOON" ANYWHERE it just gets folks annoyed.

colin
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
Come on Colin.... It is exciting and fun. I like "coming soon..." text. If you had read the posts, Steve informs that the ROM will be updated latest saturday/sunday. So, if you get too excited and frustrated, come back to this form on monday and you will be releaved.. :)

- Orhan.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] orhtun01:
MaxSense - Hiding Quicklinks Frames and Placeholders

Phone fully charged and re-hsple'd with version 3....

Awaiting E-MaxSense... :)

As for the preparations, I created a small CAB that will remove the quicklink frames and hide placeholders in MaxSense (by using the FAQ on the MaxSense thread by ceesheim).

Since I am an E-MaxSense lover, I will post it here for sharing :p

Just install and reset your phone.

- Orhan
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] valecc:
jichuu

Downloading... Thx alot.. :-)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] chrisbert:
HI

is an NEW Version MaxSense comming too?

Chris
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Hi guys,

V10 is online now. Changelog in post 2

E-GTX, E-MaxSense and E-CHT 6.5 base will come later.

Enjoy, Miri and yours

It is all HERE

It is all HERE

It is all HERE

It is all HERE

It is all HERE​
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] abumhmmd1:
THANKs Steve0007​
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gramsey1911:
Thanks 007
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] wesleyho:
too bad.. v10 cannot support chinese, i tried install "LEO_SC_CHS_Font_IME_w_Global_Region.cab" and it hang at the boot screen..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] valecc:
U DONT DESERVE IT .. LOL :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] darrylstarks19:
when i try to update the rom it just freeezes at the htc boot up screen ..any one else havin the problem
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
You need to flash first one of the Radio listed on the first post of the thread

After flashing one of this Radio, your mobile should work as it should :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zoth:
Here you go guys don't get to wasted. :p

Confirmation number: 4VJ88229H7111542T
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Thanks Zoth, this is much appreciated :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cyrilwolff:
e-cht 6.5

Hi fellows ,

I want to try to flash Elegancia 6.5 but can't find the link for 6.5 .:confused:

Somebody knows ?

thnx :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Paschinski:
Just read ;) There's only v10 of CHT for now, the rest will be released soon.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Steve0007:
Hi Man,

If everything's fine, the 6.5 could be release by tomorrow or Monday :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cyrilwolff:
thanks man , that would be great
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] darkmessiah:
..Installed this new ROM

jus installed the v10 today mornin.. running it nw for couple of hours now and i must say, its very fast and runnin flawlessly ..

way to go Chef..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] alicelc:
Just flashed. Looks and feels fantastic!

Thank you Miri and Steve :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bouya_k:
hello seems to be vert nice awaiting the gtx version to flash

thanks for the hard work
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noris08:
like i already anticipated, elegancia 10 based on 3.04 is faster then previous releases

thank you steve & miri!

one very, very, very small issue - when i close opera, the phone hangs for 4-5 secs. it's ok after that, so no biggie

cheers!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ascary:
Downloading...