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[HD2 General] aceo07:
It's not even out yet. There's no way to see if something will work when it's not even out yet.

It's not out yet.

edit: I guess there's something out. I stand corrected.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Yes, OFFICIALLY it will never have WP7. Whether it will be hacked on it, maybe, maybe not. To know for sure you'll have to wait until the first devices come out at the end of the year.

There apparently have been working things, but it's so far from launch that we can't really know if microsoft will come out with changes, protections or whatever until launch.

Now, do what you want, but there's NO guarantee, don't come and cry if you buy one expecting it and it never happens ;)
[Desire General] kosworld:
to celebrate the arrival (in two weeks) of my htc desires, I prepare a good theme

for now it's just Photoshop project:
[Desire General] trion:
Looks nice :)

But i think i will go for active wallpapers :D
[Desire General] benko286:
I will ask you this question later when you see battery drain:D
[Desire General] Coatezy:
Looks good.. :) Its going to be a long wait.. :(
[Desire General] irkan:
niiice, ... good taste :)

speaking of photoshop xP ... i have cut the desire pic wallpaper and put it as background in my Nokia, ... sad i know :(
[Desire General] mr.vandalay:
nice one :D
[Desire General] kosworld:
Update : new screen Shot
[Desire General] Staticsoul:
Will there be new live wallpapers over time or any possibility to make your own live wallpapers?

I think you will get bored very easily when no new live wallpapers are released.
[Desire General] Baldyman1966:
It is perfectly possible to make your own live wallpapers, in fact there are already some on the App Market, It's just we can't see them, not having a 2.1 device. go here http://www.appbrain.com/search?q=live+wallpaper for a look.
[Desire General] bcmobile:
For anyone who has the patience to create their own animated wallpaper:

Example: http://developer.android.com/resources/samples/CubeLiveWallpaper/index.html

More info: http://developer.android.com/resources/articles/live-wallpapers.html
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
See what tom codon has posted on htcpedia

Source : here

Since tom has posted this, most probably its real. And he is planning to release beta version soon.

What do you think is it real? If so it is a very good news for hd2 users.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
Note:- I resized the pic so that its clearly visible.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
if you consider that the HD was at first a WM7 test device.

and now HD2 is a MS Test Device. I would not be suprised at all to see this released.

Just because something is not getting an "offical" release does not mean anything.

I am not sure if XDA knows what the words "official release" means.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
well pretty sure we knew it wouldn't be official but a test rom is EXACTLY what devs have been looking for since this debacle actually began

I can't wait for the release and that means the touch hd2 actually looks like a winner for me as the first wp7s device

but some questions

can one flash back to wm 6.5 or are we stuck

some more questions but good news time to blog!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
I'm thinking this is legit. I was holding off on buying a HD2 but if this gets released, I'll be running to the nearest T-Mobile store.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=653836
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] domineus:
tom codon has no reason to lie

its not even april fools day!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Dont forget, HTC HD3 will be announced soon :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hoss_n2:
not before 8 monthes
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gamikzone:
im thinking about getting an android device instead.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sdlopez83:
very cool will pick up an hd2 if price is right. But will have to deal with edge as the fuhrur said. Maybe import from telstra.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vcespon:
What the hell? That's supposed to be the interface of WP7s? With those gigantic font sizes? One word per line?

What's the point of having 800x480 pixels if you use 60-point fonts? 5 lines of agenda per screen? Will it be able to display one calendar month in a single screen or will you only be able to look at 4 days at a time?

This is an interface for short-shighted people?

Hell, fortunately the people designing Windows 7 does not think that the people purchasing computers are 5-year old children, or 85 year-old. That is scared by more than 5 lines of text on a screen or having to think where to put their files.

I'm not going to purchase a new phone that is a tamagotchi for 5 year old children. Use have been using computers at home for 20 years, we're in 2010, not 1984...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Man, there are so many threads discussing WP7 UI. Do you really need to start this discussion here?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
I wonder did u ever read the first post? Its not WP7 UI, its real man. :cool:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Did you read the thread? He was responding to the post directly above his.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] d4rkr1d3r:
Now there are also Youtube videos in the HTCpedia thread
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] josefcrist:
well hopefully this is real. does anybody remember windows mobile on iphone?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Gustopher:
Might be sensible to hold off from overly wild celebration just yet - I believe that if we do choose to flash it, there is no way back due to some fundamental changes in the bootloader.

Personally I'd be interested to have a look at it if I knew I could get back to something tried and tested again. Still, I'm sure the good people working on it will figure out a solution if we give them time and space.

I just hope it doesn't turn into an 'xda special' - a bunch of impatient ingrates hassling the developers to release it and then accusing them of being con artists if they don't do it in a timescale that suits...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cp_kirkley:
lol. /facepalm

I'm hoping we can get a triboot thing going. lol Eclair, 6.5.x, and 7 all on one device. I'd make panties drop everywhere.:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DaveShaw:
Existing discussion here : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=653836

Whilst there is a lot of speculation, it helps to keep everyone on the same page :).

Closed.

Dave
[Windows Phone 7 General] theredundant:
I know most of you who clicked this thread would probably think this is another thread that asked if it was possible. Well I'm here to share the great news to HD2 owners... http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2381 read it up!

Apparently a russian team has been working on it and looks like theyre working (from screenshots) and a beta release should be soon :)

PS MOD: if it is against the rules to paste links from htcpedia pls delete thread. thanks :)

Update:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I seems like an early April fools thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Again, no video. It's easy to fake screenshots. On the other hand, why would Tom destroy his reputation?

Let's wait and see...

I think I'm going to keep my HD2 a little longer. Not that it's likely that I will prefer WP7S over WM6.5 or Android, but I'm curious to try it... :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] kangu:
+1

tom is a pretty reputable source, i dont think that he'd do that either.
[Windows Phone 7 General] X-BLADE™:
It was also confirmed by a Mod in the HD2 ROM development thread. Lets wait and see..
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
For others curious, here's that thread... http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=653836
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
easy to fake a screen shot with shadow and glare and perfect reflection...
[Windows Phone 7 General] cp_kirkley:
A prominent person such as him is not a person who would let his name get dragged in the mud like that, I'm inclined to believe this is the real deal. Its alot sooner than I couldve ever hoped for, but with the lack of software available at this point anyone trying this without an IRONCLAD way of downgrading is a hopeful idiot IMO.

Still, fantastic news nonetheless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Of course, if you display it on the phone. ;)

Very easy, actually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Well, Tom actually says the pictures are coming from Russian hackers, and I'm a member at the forum where this was posted initially. These guys are very reputable and have proved more than once that they have some good sources, but they could play a joke as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Good sources? Afaik they just hacked an HTC server. :D

But you're right, those guys are credible.

Too bad they couldn't make a video, though :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] X-BLADE™:
Video is up guys

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJCFdojbjh8
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And that video doesn't look like it's that Throttle Launcher WP7 skin?
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
not to me...

I say bring it on though
[Windows Phone 7 General] Livven:
Video seems suspicious to me as you can't see if it's really an HD2 - all you can see is a black shape. But then, these people who have done and confirmed this are indeed reputable...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Hamburg:
My prayers have been answered. Granted, I figured it would just be a matter of time... just not this SHORT an amount of time!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] spooke:
Thats what im thinking, I doubt its the real deal, could be wrong though :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] GuestK00306:
Guys, this is tom_codon. Just have a look about XDA, I very much doubt he would do this.

As for me, I read in the (other forum) thread that you cannot go back to WM6.5 once installed, as they had to replace the bootloader to get it to work - so this is definitely out of the question for me...
[Windows Phone 7 General] irdawood:
video 2 for all the doubters....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJJz_xUP3H0
[Windows Phone 7 General] racemepls:
If they came this far to get it on there then I'm sure that will get figured out as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] abcslayer:
Just one kind of traditional P.R things M$ & HTC done in the past.

Since the first Win CE PDA to current Windows Phones, there are always some super hero who have access to new products, new OS, software stack... and cook everything for people ... at the right time ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
The above is a quote from the first of tom condon's post.

The thread is now closed - it may be due to the increasingly negative/flame war nature of the thread though, because:

Kinda got our hopes up didn't he?! But, I'm still gonna remain optimistic :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] John_Vella:
Given what I've read about Windows Mobile 7, (or whatever it's called) not having copy & paste functionality am I the only one here thinking that WinMo 6.5 does what I need it to do and I'm quite happy sticking with it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] krazyakr:
Very strange

This seems very strange. It is way to early for a WP7 port (if any will ever come) and we all know how easy it is to show a remote desktop on the phone running the WP7 emulator. Surely the HD2 has the 'power' to make it happen.

Personaly, I don't think this is real.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
2 thoughts about this "Everything not going to well" could mean.

1. could be causing problems with the HD2

2. MS have steeped in and threaten with lawsuit or closing down of htcpedia.

After all this is their property
[Windows Phone 7 General] Casey_boy:
Indeed, both of those could be true. The conspiracy theorists among us might also say that it was never going right in the first place (i.e. hoax)? Although, from what I've read tom seems quite reputable?

I suppose it does look bad, to Microsoft, if a site admin posts this sort of thing - rather than a regular member and perhaps, they would have the case to get the site shut down. Though I'm not sure about the legalities of such a situation?
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
"Everything not going to well" means too many people have found out how they did that fake. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
A video proves nothing now a days, show me a bootloader, show me the bsp which was used,show me a decompiled rom, weres all this????.....no were cause its a FAKE! tomcodon its been know'n for stuns like this, hes just like wen, someone gives him a story and he makes it a convincing lie, unless they show anything of the above stated its 100% fake.
[Windows Phone 7 General] tomygunner:
Such an ugly Menu, i don't like it. I Think it isn't real.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
and laggytoo
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmbrahim:
a fake may be ...

may be tom did a fake to let ms think that even if they don t release wm6.5 to window 7, people will do it !
[Windows Phone 7 General] :
Hopefully ms threatened to shutdown htcpedia =]
[Windows Phone 7 General] Teckhead:
Why would you want MS to shut down HTCpedia?
[Windows Phone 7 General] spzero:
i think it will come soon to most HTC devices but i for one wont upgrade to windowsphone7 for a long time im happy with 6.5 :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wheezle:
Actually they are reportedly talking about implementing it after all the protests.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Yeah they said copy and paste is coming after hearing all the rave about it not having it. They just want to figure out a great way to implement it which isn't a bad thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pecco:
I think it a fake
[Windows Phone 7 General] racemepls:
It's def looking more and more like a fake since There has been no word of anything for weeks and my hopes for this are dying a slow death.
[Windows Phone 7 General] acidbath5546:
Cheers!

I would drink to that :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vladimir2989:
dose anyone know what hapened to Origenal Windows Movile 7 in HTD HD2 thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=653836

whan i try to open it it says

or if im not loged in

etc...
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
it may have been moved to the administrative area like the old touchxperience posts...

ugh typing on a phone to browse xda bites =/
[Windows Phone 7 General] ashg926:
You're not the only one. I'm going to be sticking with WinMo 6.5 unless MS does a massive overhaul of WP7. I know some people are happy with it, but WinMo 6.5 does a lot more for me than WP7 looks like it will.

It is somewhat amusing to see people commenting on the speed (or lack thereof) of this "hack", I suppose. They still have a long way to go, naturally. You have to realise that things won't be perfect immediately. It's an interesting development at any rate.
[Windows Phone 7 General] young blade:
I've noticed the same.. One night I was reading the last page of the tread.. and in the morning when I woke up it was gone..

now why would they do that?? It's already to late to cover up for HTC-pedia.:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] addro:
Hd2 can setup wm7 now? :d
[Windows Phone 7 General] young blade:
Today they've anounced that android is hacked onto the I-phone.. and they've proved it with a good video (at day-light, or just a well lit room..) the guy even showed the booting proces...

I mean C'mon.. what we've got on wp7>>HD2 is just quite the opposite..
[Windows Phone 7 General] vladimir2989:
i read an article 2day about Dell Lightnin, and hardware specs sound simular to HD2, i mean:

1GHz Snapdragon processor,

WVGA display

MicroSD card (non-user-replaceable, assuming)

GPS,

accelerometer,

compass,

FM radio,

i guess it shuld have simmulat chipset... imo it will be ported sooner or later, but i still want to know what Tom was chatting about etc... and since he was backed up by itje (whom i tust) i want to think it be sooner rather then later ...
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
i say later due to the graphics issues but we may all be shocked
[Windows Phone 7 General] adrian-polglase:
By shocked do you mean Microsoft being nice and releasing an official upgrade? :D

*JOKE* - although wish it wasn't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Freezey:
that would be nice i dont know much about WP7 but im hearing about not copy &paste and that is a major turn off =/

but over time i guess as we learn more everything will all come together
[Windows Phone 7 General] young blade:
Just about an hour ago I was standing in the elevator at work and this guy was holding his Iphone in his hand and I saw that he was scrolling trough his pictures

just like we do when we open HTC-Album. As I was watching him the first thing that caught my eye was that his phone doesn't need time to load the little photo tiles.. and believe me he was scrolling super fast..

Now.. I've been using wm-phones for a long time and I've did a lot of tweaking and playing with the reg.. but (altought it hurts to admit:( ) my HD2 can't do that.. why O why cant my HD2 with its super specs do the same?? it could be an cache issue but why couldn't it jus work like that out of the box??

I also caught my self surfing over the iphone forums allot recently..

now how can someone like me who's always said that the iphone is a crapphone do that??

And why did it take so many years for microsoft to open their eyes and start copien what aplle is doing?? I mean they knew they where losing a lot of marketshare to apple..

What I do know is that if WP7 is going to be a big dissapointment I'm going to cross the bridge..

I mean lets compare the Ipad to their slate computers.. how is windows 7 going to last for 10 hours on a single charge of battery??:(

there is lot more that I would like to say but I think this is enough.. dont want some of you start flaming cause there is no need of that..

I love my HD2 but my question is WHY:confused:

well lets see if wp7 gets hacked unto the HD2 to boost up this beast..:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 General] kholk:
I've got a friend's iPhone 3GS in my hands right now and I'm getting really disappointed.

-- HTCAlbum and iPhone Pictures are looking IDENTICAL.

-- HTC Sense's Music tab and iPhone's iPod function is really IDENTICAL!!!

And I haven't compared other iPhone's programs with HTC ones only because I don't want to get my HD2 out of my window. (well, I'm still thinking "blame Apple and your damn iPhone")

Anyway, I'm still hoping on WP7 to come on our device: it'll be really fast and with it we won't see our HD2 loading Photos/Videos/Pictures/Albums/Music while a device with a 500MHz CPU loads all in milliseconds...

...but to be honest I'm not sure that a WP7 ROM has really been leaked.

The Eugenia Project Developer

-kholk
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
in all fairness can you blame the specs of the phone or the OS itself?

let's be frank. Windows mobile is still build on code that would only work subpar on these devices we have. We grin, we bear it, but windows mobile code is still very old, clunky and heavily not updated. I don't think the problem is the hardware, software is.

Does this cry for a new os? Absolutely. But that's one HUGE reason why I am impressed with wp7 so far. It doesn't seem to be written on crap so that gives us a lot of potential of a great phone os from microsoft

As for the iphone itself, I have used an iphone for weeks and month wide stretches with my htc devices. The iphone does keyboard, multitouch, and facebook very well...I am not a media guy per se, but if music and video works, I'm happy. I found myself struggling with video on the iphone. Not so much with windows though...

As far as ipad you haven't heard of the issues with wifi

Now for the time it can run (10 hours) that is impressive, but less intensive programs will do that. But I would love for windows to do something like that...I like my tablet perfectly fine though
[Windows Phone 7 General] r4ster:
Apple itunes downscales pictures so their thumbnails, and the images themselves are loaded faster, that's why the scrolling is superfast.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chum422:
soundz gud
[Windows Phone 7 General] young blade:
yes but they've got 500Mhz and we got 1000Mhz..
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
and what part of our device is made on god awful old code does anyone not get?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chikoo:
u r hitting where it really hurts....all the freedom with win mo, but can't beat iphone.

It is like having a car with the hood welded shut (iphone) and a car where not only the hood can be opened but all the pistons, valves, manifolds can be replaced(win mo). Yet our car gets beaten when it comes to a drag race.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Logicalstep:
I think like allot of people are trying to say, Windows CE is legacy code, I bet there are still elements of 2003SE buried even in 6.5.5 somewhere.

Apples Iphone OS is based on Mac OS X, a componentised version, modern stripped down to bare essentials with all drivers fully functioning and working full speed with the kernel and OS....great hardware acceleration.

WM is designed for many devices and and has to integrate with many different Drivers and GPU/CPU, hence the refinement is not there and the OS is not designed to be optimised for this modern Hardware and drivers.

I'm sure even WP7 has some old code in it, but you can bet your ass MS see's the importance of re-gaining the performance element of the OS, such as it's integration with Hardware acceleration and modern CPU.

I remembers reading that in Windows 7 MS had really put alot of effort into optimising the GIU so things responded alot faster than previous os's....and most people just thought...well yes...ummm why the hell weren't you doing that before? sometimes it just takes a kick up the ass (Vista) and a big shock (iPhone) for big stuck in thier way companies likeMS to finally start pushing the boundaries again.

Lets hope they have done the best job they can on WinPhone 7 and it's not going to be Vista all over again for them, because I don't think the market can wait for Windows phone 8.

Logi
[Windows Phone 7 General] pleasereset:
Well sure, WP7 is still built on old "crap" (I mean Windows CE). On Windows Mobile 6.5 we're running ARMv4I code on much more recent cores (ARMv6 for my Rhodium, and even better on the HD2)... memory management is ugly (32MB limit per process and so on...).

I don't know whether if WP7 is built on CE6.0R3 or CE7 but anyway, memory management is improved. The hardware chassis requirements says that an ARMv7 core is required so this let me think that the OS will be recompiled to take advantage of new CPU features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
a snag I just thought off as I saw the unlocked image again (emulator)

in my mind tom's announcement is pretty legitimate here but one thing that went in my mind is development

I know when a new build of 6.5 is released the porting process is relatively easy. Can we actually say the porting process from previous wp7 build to current is just as easy especially seeing htc hasn't released much yet in the form of xip/sys/rom of wp7?

Just a strange thought
[Windows Phone 7 General] x-mann:
Yes, but they are not 480-800 devices, you enjoy in double size of screen and resolution, its the same like you comparing some app runing on PC in 800x600 resolution and 1600x1200 .
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sheraz150:
So was the video of the HD2 running WP7 fake? im suprised no ones working on porting this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dazza9075:
no one is working on it since its not available at all yet, if its as locked down as zune hd then we gonna have problems
[Windows Phone 7 General] renegadEEE:
Well I believe Tom said he was still working on it? Or is it sure that the video he posted is fake?