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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] paul_cad44:
Hi all

im going travelling for a while im removing my sim card to avoid dodgy roaming charges and going to be using Skype with Wi fi as my main source of communication. I have 140 numbers on my phone and would like to transfer them to skype in one go preferable, anyone now how to do this?
[Desire General] yschandra:
An article about AMOLED screen of N1 is here, should be applicable to Desire as well.
[Desire General] Moandal:
The jist of the article is that the true resolution of the N1/Desire screen is 392x653 and not 480x800, since each pixel only has two of the three RGB colours.

AMOLED isn't all it's cracked up to be, especially if sharp text is important to you.
[Desire General] farnsbarns:
That's not quite fare, the N1 has 480 lines of independently addressable pixels per row and 800 rows. It does have an 800x480 res it's just that there are only 2 channels per pixel. The images are manipulated and diliberatly out of focus otherwise, and I quote from the authors subsequent comment...

"The shot of the screen that is blurry is intentionally blurrier than what the screen actually looks like, it's the only way to get rid of the moire effect of the camera's CCD interfering with the pixel grid of the N1 screen. It's not as bad as it looks, just worse than the Droid's screen."

What he is saying is that if they didn't blur the image the camera would have seen the optical illusion you are supposed to see. Having a mixture of RG and BG Pixels is not really an issue and most certainly doesn't mean the resolution is lower.

He also says that stippled images are where you see it and only in certain circumstances... Once commenter noted that if you zoom by 1% the effect on his example images vanishes, the example images where designed to look wrong on a N1 screen, as comenter points out, if images designed to look wrong on a N1 do infact look wrong on an N1, does it matter, I can't see too many people designing images specifically to trip up the N1!

If you read the comments, all the users of N1 who posted said it is stupid to say it's a poor screen, they unanimously agree that it is the best screen they have ever seen on a phone, including some ex Droid users!

Also this a feature of the N1, and possibly the desire not AMOLED screens in general. actually, your entire post is totally inaccurate!
[Desire General] Moandal:
If my post is inaccurate, why does the author say that "the fairest way of counting raw pixels on the screen" gives a result of 392*653? How can a pixel that can only display 2 out of 3 colours count as a full pixel of resolution? If you want to count it that way, go ahead but you're only fooling yourself.

The author of the article is an N1 user, and he clearly doesn't think the screen is the best he has ever seen on a phone. Neither is he alone: "many of us were disappointed in the lack of crispness of text".

Maybe future AMOLED screens will have a different solution that allows for all 3 colours per pixel, but in the meantime potential Desire owners should at least be aware of the limitations of their AMOLED screen.

I'll end on something you quoted at me, which I thank you for since you proved my point so nicely:

"It's not as bad as it looks, just worse than the Droid's screen."
[Desire General] vlasac:
What is a resolution of N1 camera? 5MP you say? But every pixel out of this 5 million can record only 1 color (red, green or blue). It is same for professional cameras too. How about that?

"fairest way of counting" is just his opinion, not scientific fact. And there are 800 physical vertical pixels, like on every other WVGA display. Only difference is horizontally, so 392*653 is just his approximation, do not take it literally.

As author says there is not issue in pictures, just in hard edged objects like letters (or his patterns). Maybe it will be improved with better smoothing algorithms.
[Desire General] Polarfuchs:
Is it a general AMOLED issue or only the problem of the N1 and Desire?

Does this affect web browsing?
[Desire General] farnsbarns:
Look if you feel the N1 screen is poor that is a matter of opinion but...

The definition of a pixel is a physical screen location that can be addressed and manipulated directly in the video RAM regardless of the BPP or number of colours it can display. That is a simple fact. The N1 has 480 of these per row and 800 rows. It is not questionable, it is an unwavering fact, you were wrong! as was the man who posted it until he backtraked in the comments with CAPITALS stating an important point (so important he didn't edit his original post ;)

You also said that AMOLED is not all it's cracked up to be, AMOLED is not the culpret, Google/HTC is, AMOLED displays with 16 BPP (RGB pixels rather than RG / BG) already exist so AMOLED is all it's cracked up to be. Perhaps the N1 screen isn't but that wouldn't be because of AMOLED it would be because HTC decided to use RG BG pixels on THEIR AMOLED screen instead of RGB which is perfectly possible.

Both the statements in your post were unequivocabley and fundamentally inacurate. It is not a matter of opinion it is a matter of fact. You regurgitated someone else's inaccurate statement with no research, thought or even knowledge of the technologies involved.

If you believe "It's not as bad as it looks, just worse than the Droid's screen" proves either of your original points you are mistaken.

I'm not saying the N1 screen is good or bad and I (unlike you) made it clear that I was repeating other peoples opinions. If you feel aggrieved about your screen then I really feel for you but misinformation and repetition of inaccurate information is still a bad thing.
[Desire General] gogol:
Well, please, this is not an issue on AMOLED, read this article:

http://www.displayblog.com/2010/01/20/nexus-one-pentile-matrix-oled-display/

And comments from user "NPS_CA" in this blog:

http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-one-display-not-true-wvga-20100325/

Then you will understand the situation.

When it (this technology) saves battery life and produce better viewing experience, I will take it any day.

I wont complaint about the actual number of pixels :D
[Desire General] irkan:
With the pixel density, and considering how "small" the pixel is to the human eye, i highly doubt that the normal human eye will spot that issue *unless you are hawk LMAO*

you should not forget, what matters here is the human eye reception, I dont care what kind of display hardware/software they are implementing as long as they look pretty, .. AND those kind of displays are HUUUGE battery Savior, .. about 33% more efficient than the regular LCD (yes, probably because they are using the PenTile Matrix, hence using less sub-pixels to display).

so lets recap whats going on here (keeping in mind that the most important factor here is us, the humans, not the machines)

AMOLED looks way better (from a human point of view, not a hawk) than TFT or LCD screens on mobile phones

AMOLED saves you alot of battery life (around 33% compared to other TFT)
[Desire General] bcmobile:
No, its the pentile tehnology that the author goes to great lenghts to explain in *yawn* detail.

Not that I care but does anyone even know if the Desire has this technology?
[Desire General] irkan:
the Nexus One has it.

the Desire has the same screen as nexus one.

so using proof by induction, the Desire has it :p
[Desire General] DonClemento:
does a screen of 460x800 pixel (or 392*653) really look ****ty for text?? i don't think so, there are many pixels!

look at the screen of an iphone! the half amount of pixels but you still can read text. a screen with that dpi can't be not good! i'm happier with more pixels than a supercalifragilisticflexpialidocious-sharp display. and by the way, more pixels means more details or more information on the same view! and i also don't think that you surf on the web without any zooming to the article!

the screen can't be so blurry as mentioned in the link of the first post. otherwise all the people of MWC 2010 are liing to us, they are stunned about the screen and its resolution.
[Desire General] kecinzer:
Today I bougth HTC Desire and what I first mention was jagged font. Simply say - display is not so silky as on Touch Pro. On all texts you can see "dots shadow".

This behaviour is very much seen on typing cursor when blicking - it is not vertical simple line, but dotted line.

At first I think, that this is a fault, but after some reads and si this thread I start to thinking, that this is feature.
[Desire General] Polarfuchs:
I think this is because of the OLED screen. Right?
[Desire General] kecinzer:
I think so. But waiting to meet people with another Desire to compare if this is not bad display.
[Desire General] K 7:
100% agreed...if it looks gud 2 human eyes, that's it...
[Desire General] Riel:
To be honest, I don't really like it and get pretty annoyed by the pixelly text.

I have to mention: only when I keep phone within 30cm of my eyes. Any further and it's perfect.
[General Questions and Answers] Asik__:
Is there a way to get 2 diffrent calenders syncd to win mobile.

I already have a exchange server and also have one of my two calender synced to my phone but now i want to sync calender no:2 to my mobile but i dont know how to do this ?!??!?

Anyone ???

//Asik
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] liberty.rogue@gmail.com:
Hi Guys

I recently tried to upgrade my radio and SPL to use Cursors32A rom. It update failed and cannot seem to get the SD card to mount in recovery mode again

When i try to mount/use the card it come up with the following error

mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p1 on /sdcard failed: No such file or director
y
mount: mounting /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 on /system/sd failed: No such file or direc
tory

Now ive been going through the forums over the last two days trying to fix it. The one method that stands out to me is the gold card method..but i cant seem to obtain the CID.

Now my knowledge of the andriod/unix enviroment is limited(i was brain washed my M$)

anyway please help a n00b :)

Thanks

Kyle
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] d_ced:
Hi,

What is your current SPL?

Does fastboot works ?

a command like fastboot boot recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.5.2H.img works ?

Cedric
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] KAwAtA:
Fastboot won't work for him, no eng spl. Did you try another SD card? I know it's a simple question but double check if it's working. I remember another command available that helps mount your SD card but I forgot the command. Try searching the forums more, I'm sure you'll be able to find it.

If I remember correctly, your SPL + Radio don't match up. I've never seen that together before. Lucky it isn't bricked yet
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] d_ced:
The command is fastboot oem enableqxdm 0

the prompt returns 'OKAY'.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] liberty.rogue@gmail.com:
Hey guys

i tried 6 different sdcards :D

d_ced, when i run the below command i get

c:\android\android-sdk-windows\tools>fastboot oem enableqxdm 0
... INFO[ERR] Command error !!!
OKAY

ill post my ls -l for reference

drwxrwxrwx 1 0 0 2048 Sep 6 1980 cache
drwxr-xr-x 2 1000 1000 0 Jan 1 1970 data
-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 2733 Jan 1 1970 default.prop
drwxr-xr-x 11 0 0 1300 Jan 6 00:07 dev
drwxr-xr-x 2 1000 1000 0 Jan 1 1970 etc
-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 106764 Jan 1 1970 init
-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 1677 Jan 1 1970 init.goldfish.rc
-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 2781 Jan 1 1970 init.hero.rc
-rwxr-xr-x 1 1000 1000 598 Jan 1 1970 init.rc
dr-xr-xr-x 42 0 0 0 Jan 1 1970 proc
drwxr-xr-x 3 1000 1000 0 Jan 1 1970 res
drwx------ 2 0 0 0 Jan 1 1970 root
drwxr-x--- 2 1000 1000 0 Jan 6 00:07 sbin
drwxr-xr-x 2 0 0 0 Jan 6 00:07 sdcard
drwxr-xr-x 15 0 0 0 Jan 1 1970 sys
drwxr-xr-x 3 1000 1000 0 Jan 1 1970 system
drwxr-xr-x 2 1000 1000 0 Jan 6 00:07 tmp/CODE]

also i have not tried the goldcard method but i cannot get the CID of the device

thanks in advance guys!

Thanks
Kyle
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] liberty.rogue@gmail.com:
well guys i tried following the instructions of /xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=639107&page=5 and i bricked it...it just sits at the HTC magic screen :/

oh well thanks in advance!
[XPERIA X10 General] DarkVasyaK:
X10 is going to release very soon but it has already a lot of rivals: Google N1, HTC Desire, Motorola Shores (also going to be released soon)

So which Android phone is a true Phone? :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
The Droid.
[XPERIA X10 General] tellmickey:
I think the desire stands out thanks to HTC's sense interface.
[XPERIA X10 General] szlevi:
X10 got Mediascape which easily beats everything else out there be it on Android or WinMo or iPhone OS or WebOS + got Timescape which is pretty much a match or better than WebOS great communication UI or better than the rest (Droid/Motoblur or iPhone's missing "unified communication")... the only negativ thing is running on DOnut (v1.6) but SE already said it will be updated - my money is on X10 and a 2.1 update by the Summer...
[XPERIA X10 General] Fitz:
The Final retail-rom (not the one engadget reviewed) seems to be great! Some reviewers in the Netherlands already have them and they are very impressed by the speed, the screen and media/timescape! :D
[XPERIA X10 General] szlevi:
Yes, I heard the same thing from a friend running it since last Fall... heck, when I tried X10 back in November it wasn't that bad already... and it's been 4+ months now, I'm sure they worked out all the kinks - as a matter of fact that was the official reason for postponing the launch date, to make it absolutely bug-free.

SE is top-notch when it comes to UI design, I always said it - it's just they have been always stretched too thin and never had the time to properly finish everything. It's a (resource) management issue and I think it is the same type confusion that caused the demise of Sony during the past decade.

SE should settle on ~2 platforms (plus their proprietary one for the integrated and lower-tier phones) and cut the number of concurrent models in half but every new release should be near flawless, as bug-free as literally possible because when you are asking $500-$1k for a phone it's better be perfect or you will lose its angry owner as a customer forever...
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
EW! how can you even say that's something worth holding in your hand. craptacular device. by craptacular company..
[XPERIA X10 General] beetleman:
Well, I am using HTC Legend, and today I got SE X10, so what can I say, X10 has impressive screen but I am worry because it is TFT (and Legend has AMOLED), also Android 1.6 is not a match to an Android 2.1 in Legend (with and without HTC Sense).

Timescape and Mediascape are good and easy ideas, and they are beating HTC Sense in way of multimedia and friends stream (HTC Sense has Friends stream which dosent work so fine).

So, X10 is a preatty good smartphone, here in Croatia it will cost about 4500 kunas about 840 USD.

So, until they release Android 2.1 update on Xperia X10, it will be just a good smartphone with big potential, so SE if you are reading this, go to work! :)
[XPERIA X10 General] szlevi:
There's nothing wrong with a TFT screen.
[XPERIA X10 General] Dogmann:
@szlevi

Good luck with getting an upgrade to the OS by the Summer as SE themselves have said it won't be till Q3 oh and by the time SE implement 2.1 what version will the others be at by then?.

I must say from reading your posts throughout the X10 section you seem quite the SE zealot but seriously anyone that bought a W950 and then also bought a W960 lacks a certain credibility IMO.

As for your claims about Timescape and Mediascape just being the best how's the Crystal ball doing as from what I've read they both suffer when updating. They may look pretty and functional when not very full but once they have lots of data to deal with they slow right down. Maybe you should have a device in hand to see just how well it performs when full of data before claiming it to be best.

Personally SE lost me from UIQ3 and nothing they have done since then has tempted me back till now either. It will be interesting to see if they do manage to actually launch a relatively bug free device for once. As although this is there aim they seem to keep falling short of this objective, it will interesting to see just how well the X10 does and what ordinary non SE fans make of it.

Marc
[XPERIA X10 General] solidkevin:
Looks amazing! Cant wait to get it!
[XPERIA X10 General] ukon:
whats up with having both the legend and the X10`? doesn't that get kinda expensive.

Anyways, I did like the HTC magic, untill it got thrown into the wall in anger, because I was pisst off at a friend :P

And I have always loved SE, unlike Nokia(that I used to like before) are they actually trying different OS's etc.

+ I feel like they have better designs etc.
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
not very expensive at all when you WIN both the phones. read prior posts
[XPERIA X10 General] ukon:
I know that, I read it in another thread a while after I posted this. So the "prior posts" thing, is kinda wrong to say.. since it wasn't mentioned in this thread.

And it wasn't posted in this thread, so I don't really see the big problem here.
[XPERIA X10 General] droidzer:
I'm having my doubts, I'm actually thinking between the Nexus One and the X10, I'm currently liking the Droid due to the keyboard only because I email alot, and would not like to go for a blackberry.

The x10 seems fantastic, just that the absence of a physical qwerty may put me off.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Indeed. Once you go physical QWERTY, you never go back :D!
[XPERIA X10 General] ipporek:
This might sound stupid, but only reason I'd get X10 than other phones (like Galaxy S, Milestone, Desire etc.) is cos the X10 looks much better, and my 'blind loyalty' to SE. But in terms of specs/features... well... X10 is really lacking.
[XPERIA X10 General] lostsouls:
I like to think so too..:D:D
[XPERIA X10 General] anheuer:
wait a minute!!!

is this phone made by HTC??????

And also the acer phone?????

i thought they made there own phones..

dont they?
[XPERIA X10 General] ukon:
I know the first x1 was. but I do not think that this one is. no.
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
Foxconn made it actually
[XPERIA X10 General] afhstingray:
after reading this:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news...nexus-ones-screen-science-color-and-hacks.ars

i'm not going to go with the AMOLED phones. i'm coming from a touch HD and i'd notice any reduced resolution
[XPERIA X10 General] DarkVasyaK:
guys, I still can't decide what to buy - X10 or HTC Desire... they say that HTC Desire has bad and silent sound quality with headphones, so it's the only thing I don't really like in Desire.. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
X10 vs Desire

tough Question... X10 vs Desire.. could be the thread here...

i got the X10 and i am really not sure.. keep or swap 4 the desire...>? :confused:

X10 :

+ design.... 4.1" vs 3.7" with almost same masurements...

- android... 1.6... where will desire b when X10 is finally on 2.1?

- no multitouch/dualtouch..: well desire also got probs with tht.. basicly it can only really handle pinch 2 zoom.... so its not a dealbreaker...

+/- TFT vs Amoled.. I dont consider Amoled better...

- 65k colors.. just read desire will have 16m? anyone can confirm?

- call quality... not really 2 good... dont know bout the desire thou...

-screen: sometimes not very accurate...but i just read here tht this would improve by taking of the foil that comes with it?

but with headphones X10 sounds gr8 by the way....
[XPERIA X10 General] kmoon:
Yeah.. I am the the exact same pickle right now.

I have pre-ordered an HTC Desire Black, but I really like the X10 better in terms of screen size, camera and design so I have to make my final decision tomorrow :O

So boiling it down to a few points...

Multitouch - Do I really need it? I don't think so.

1.6 vs 2.1 - 2.1 IS better. but 1.6 is not bad, and if an update is coming...

TimeScape vs Sense - I love Sense but everyone who tried Timescape seem to think that's better.

Camera - On paper the X10 has better camera, but how much will I actually use it?

RAM - The SE has less RAM which may affect application performance. On the other hand it has 1GB available space for apps compared to the 512 KB the Desire has...

TFT vs AMOLED - According to reviews the TFT is not bad at all.

I heard that SE adds a BT headset with radio in the box (in some countries) Anyone know if Denmark is one of those?

And finally there's the whole issue about rooting.

Both Desire and X10 will suffer from the custom UI meaning upgrades will be delayed compared to Google's own breed. So the community support means quite a bit for future updates.

I think the Desire has a little more geek appeal meaning the community support will probably be stronger for that one...

I still like the X10 very, very much... I am so much in doubt...
[XPERIA X10 General] kmoon:
The 65K color limit is software based.

An update to 2.x will give more colors. Hardware support is present ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] Trekster:
I ordered form 3 Denmark, no BT headset but the guys that pre-ordered from Telmore got it. And it seems CallMe has included it aswell.
[XPERIA X10 General] kmoon:
Damn.. I'm locked on 3

The BT headset would have made the choice easier.

Guess they went for the bigger memory card instead.

So, how does it perform?

Extatic?

Happy?

Moderately happy?
[XPERIA X10 General] jackstuard:
Hi, I was like you, and after search a lot, I'd like to help you with good and bad points that I consider:

X10

+Beautiful

+Nice camera

-Never will have multi touch

-Battery is draining, I read that you need to charge after 8h

-Still slow, even with 1ghz processor.

-Sound is too low

-no noise canceling mic.

Desire

+Fast, no lags

+more user support in xda-developers

-+Camera is ok

-no noise canceling mic.

-not possible to have dock station like N1, if you see some picture doesn't have connector pins, just micro-usb.

At the end, even not having some stuffs, I still impressed by the speed, my option could be N1, but as for me, non-US citizen, google doesn't want to seel it, so my option is Desire.

I fell like that I could regret because of absence of second mic for noice canceling.
[XPERIA X10 General] bclope:
I have the N1, the X10 and a Motorola Millestone (yes I'm a crazy fan of mobile phones). I know the Motorola may seem not so beautiful and have a slower porcessor but it is my preferred phone among them. Why?

The N1 is nice but I've had lots of troubles with bluetooth, it has problems with pairing to car handsfree devices, I stopped using it for this reason. I tried the desiree rom on it and worked a bit better but at the end it is the same phone. The amoled screen is, in my point of view, worst than the TFT on the X10. In spite of the supposed lower consumption of amoled screens this is not reflected in the battery duration (worse than in the milestone). Bad call quality is another reason why i want to get rid of it.

The X10 is great, the screen is superb, it is fast and the camera is by far the best of all three. Bluetooth works as it should be and call quality is decent (if you have 1.0.16 baseband upgrade). I personally don't like Timescape or Mediascape, I have them disabled and use plain Android. A limitation is android 1.6 but seems it will be upgraded (no idea when). If battery lasted a bit more It would be my preferred phone. Hey SE, do something about the battery and you will be again a winner in the smartphone scene!

The millestone has the same screen size as the N1, the camera is similar as in the N1, I mean equally ok..but not really good. (had a bug but has been corrected). It has audio equalizer and multitouch (in europe where i live). most of it, it has a hardware keyboard which is not very good but does its job. There are ways to root it. The battery duration is best of all three. The capacitive screen is for me the most responsive. Bluetooth has no issues. It has Android 2....a good telephone first and then a computer running android as the rest.

So if you want a good workhorse the motorola is a reasonable choice. If you want a superb fashion phone to surf the net in its 4' screen and take good snapshots but don't care to charge it wherever is possible, at work, in the car, in your laptop...the X10 is your phone.