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[Desire General] XDA mark:
36 as I counted, is normal IMO. But yeah, I really hope that you will be able to install applications on your SD card in the future. Not that I want more apps, but I want BETTER apps (which means they will be more MB's). I remember downloading games for the iPod touch that were over 100 MB. They were also off very high quality.

About not allowing installing apps to SD card: I think the reason why it is not allowed is the following.. if you can install something to your SD card, you can easily share it with other over the internet, right? That will mean people will start downloading apps the 'dirty' way! That's the only reason I see.

But Google is very smart and so far keeps giving everybody what they want. I am sure they will find a solution!
[Desire General] Karolis:
When you use apps, it stores some files in memory for quicker access later. Downside of it is that it takes-up space. Normally you would not want to clear cache that often, but if you're running out of space it helps.

Unfortunately you can only clear cache for each app one-by-one, but here's an app that might make the process easier http://www.appbrain.com/app/com.cerisierbleu.qac
[Desire General] Raminder1992:
You can not store any apps on your memory card!

I did not know this :(

I have low space as well!

I have a game which is 20MB, i do not want to delete it beacuse it is the best game I have.

Is there no way to put it on your memory card?
[Desire General] Karolis:
No, you can't put apps on memory card until we have root and get to use cool ROMs like CyanogenMod.

Or until Google adds official support for apps2sd, but I can bet you that root will come first.
[Desire General] cez10:
the reason why google doesnt allow apps etc to be installed on SD cards is because of security of the system, meaning that through this it would be probably easier to root or hack the device and they re working on some kind of encryption for this, and it will be included in the future update,

someone from this forum posted it somewhere here in this section
[Desire General] stonedraider:
I also got low memory on my G1 with Apps2sd. That's because every app stores stuff on the internal memory, the browser cache, google maps cache and so on. My experience showed me that these things are the real memory killer.
[Desire General] deprecate:
Google will encrypt that partition of the sdcard so it is secure. IIRC, support for something with the sd card was checked in recently, along with the support for the LED (for the nexus one). I imagine apps2sd is something all android devices will be seeing soon.

Personally, I would be screwed if I couldn't install apps to my sd card on my phone...as stated above, google earth takes up way too much space. Tack on a couple games and a dozen apps? Forget it.
[Desire General] cez10:
right. does that mean we wont be able to replace the sd cards unless we 'install' some additional files onto it?

and I think if google wont do this pretty quickly, droid might loose a vast amount of clients, because this is one of the reasons why iphone is so popular.

My mate just told me today he's willing to buy a new phone soon, and when I asked him what phone, he obviously said an iphone :rolleyes: why do people always follow the crowd and buy anything that's most advertised :|
[Desire General] EroThraX:
I thought it was due to the fact that the paid apps wouldn't be secure on the sd card, opening the gate further for app piracy and thus they were working on a solution to allow copy protection on the sd card.
[Desire General] Bunnnyman:
I think this issue just turned me off the Desire and now I'm leaning towards the Nexus 1. I like to install plenty of apps so this could be a real issue for me :(
[Desire General] Jabbypants:
All android phones are the same, its just a matter of time before its sorted you can still get plenty of apps on, personally i can't see how anyone would need more than 10.
[Desire General] deprecate:
not sure to be honest. I would assume that you will be able to mount your sd card and copy all of the contents off the secured/encrypted partition if your machine recognizes that partition type...then again, maybe you won't be able to.

If you upgrade sd cards, you may have to start all over with installing to the sd card. Good question.

the iphone is popular for lots of reasons; app support being at the top...but I would imagine the viral advertising and the "everyone has it" thing doesn't hurt.

Funnily enough, Android is almost on as many mobile devices as iphoneOS (according to an admob metric report). So the "everyone has it" argument is about to become a moot point.

people want what they know, what they see, what they hear is the best...apple has done an amazing job doing this with their products.
[Desire General] deprecate:
more than 10 apps? Are you trolling? :)
[Desire General] Jabbypants:
Don't think i have even got 10 on mine atm and can't think i ever had more on any Android i had so far, hero/milestone.
[Desire General] Bunnnyman:
So I'm getting the impression that good Android apps are rare?
[Desire General] mhewitson:
ChompSMS

Twitroid PRO

Astrid

Advanced Task manager

Astro

Barcode Scanner

beebPlayer

Compass

Documents to Go

FourSquare

Gallery 3D

GDocs

gTass

HiMSN

HulloMail

JogTracker

Klaxon

Layer

Locale

London Tube Status

MSN Talk

My Maps Editor

My Tracks

Picasa Tool

RAC Traffic

RingDroid

Save MMS

Shazam

SMS Backup

SMS Popup

Speed Test

Wordpress

And most of them are used - a couple installed just to try out and find teh best to do a particular job.

And a few Widgets not in that list too!
[Desire General] mhewitson:
NO!

Must haves are - Chomp SMS, SMS Backup GDocs, Klaxon, Barcode Scanner, Beebplayer..... actually its too hard to pics the top ones - it really depends what you want to do!

Look, try the different apps and enjoy!
[Desire General] mrdo:
i'm getting that impression too !

i've been having a look at apps in readiness for my switch from winmo but can't say that i'm impressed by the overall standard as yet ...
[Desire General] deprecate:
wow! the apps I use regularly that are not built-in

screen one (games):

space physics, shoot u, papastacker, scramblenet, gem miner, radiant, nesoid, snesoid

screen two (social-y stuffs):

engadget, 360 live, fandango, urban spoot, aloqa, barcode scanner

screen three (nav, picture stuff, music stuff):

weather channel, google earth, shootme, photoshop, pandora, soundhound

screen four (main screen):

beautiful home

screen five (admin stuff):

better terminal, root explorer, documents 2 go, torch, wired tether, metamorph, blapk market, titanium backup, wavesecure

screen six (more admin stuff):

setcup widget, quick boot shortcuts for bootloader, rboot, recovery, settings profile widget, mini info widget, speed test

screen seven (blank):

this space left blank intentially

:)

Those are what I use regularly. On top of that, I have a few fun live wallpapers, app alarm pro and other goodies (addons).
[Desire General] JTHM:
I came across this article complaining of poor app storage space on the Droid.

They're complaining of only 256MB of ROM available for app storage and here's the Desire shipping with only ~100MB remaining after Android 2.1 and SenseUI!!

What a joke!
[Desire General] Raminder1992:
It says that google will probally never let apps onto a sd card.

I heard someone was making an app to let this happen,

Any news on how long this would take?
[Desire General] EroThraX:
Google said they were working on allowing sd card installation when they announced the Nexus One, that article is old.
[Desire General] jannen:
App memory

Guys - after one day of usage... my phone says it has (in SD &Phone storage) I hae 65MB left in Internal storage. I only installed few basic applications...

Is there a place/way I can view how much space each app takes?

Thanks
[Desire General] EroThraX:
Settings > Applications > Manage Applications

That lists the amount of space each application takes up, and you can also clear the cache for individual apps there as well.
[Desire General] jannen:
Tx!

Awesome! I was there before but I guess didnt wait until the phone calculates the memory... really good, thanks for pointing that out.
[Desire General] LecterMe:
Must be alot of stuff in the desire rom thats not included in the Legend rom. I have 143 mb left on my Legend with ~10 apps installed.
[Desire General] cez10:
i had 130mb free since i received the phone and i noticed that its been also updated to the .11 software version
[Desire General] choccy31:
Clear your emails and attachments too! I cleared 10mb+ on this alone.
[Desire General] Enacra:
Ignored by Google

Take a look at this thread on the Android code forums ht tp://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1151. (remove the space between the two letter t).

This issue has been known about since the first Android phone was released and ignored ever since.. Even though I hate Apple on principle I will buy an iPhone as at least they do try to provide their customers with what they want.
[Desire General] Flaggie:
After getting my phone yesterday and installing about 10 apps (of which 3 games 22mb 10 mb and 10mb, normal apps were all smaller then 5 mb mostly less than 1) I only had 44 mb left of internal storage. So I thought that there had to be something wrong with my phone so went back to the shop and they did not know, but their demo had the same. So called HTC and they told me that the HTC desire gets shipped with only 140 MB internal memory free. Which in my opinion is kind of ridicolous, it being such a high end phone. Hope android gets changed quick.

Off topic

I noticed two minor bugs in the firmware, when adding a birthday to one of your people in your people app, whilst turning the wheels the numbers go above and below the wheel.

And on the keyboard sometimes when typing you get some weird shadows, for example when typing an webadress in the browser, instead of it appearing that you press a button it looks like there is a shadow below the actual key. (In some other situations it works fine and sometimes it is above)
[Desire General] choccy31:
So who's willing top start a petition to Google to sort out the storage issue? get it round the net Google might take notice if all the Android users sign up!
[Desire General] gumpelstilzchen:
They really know of this issue... I know that that doesn't satisfy you though ;)

I hope that will be addressed with Froyo; just as speed improvements. (maybe they're even gonna add some unbelievable stuff like the ability to put folders on your homescreens :eek::eek:)

:D
[Desire General] jolpool:
Dont forget multi-tasking! :D
[Desire General] glumardok:
I got my Desire yesterday - and it had at the beginning

149 MB

(! - record so far?!) of storage for apps! But then even the German language was not properly installed (but played from the SIM card only and could not be retrieved in the original installation after I had tested the English language settings). Anyhow, I have installed approximately 40 additional apps and still had 68 MB storage. A number of apps which are competitors to others or which I do not expect to use in the very near future, I have secured on the SD card for later use and then deleted again on the phone with the app AppMonster. This program can retrieve the app on the SD card and will reinstall it, if you really need the app which has been "banned" to the SD card. So, for now, I have roughly 88 MB storage on the phone left.
[Desire General] quicksite:
That's total bull****. This guy claiming "why would you ever need more than 10 apps" is, as someone else said, either trolling, or someone satisfied with never using what such a great phone was built for -- total customization and endless adaptation by adding apps that extend functionality.

Just because Person A posts into the forums of the largest smartphone community in the world that he only sees a need for 10 apps at most doesn't amount to anything more than an opinion of one.

He's entitled to his opinion.

But please, for you to base your perception of android, and all its possibilities and its hugely extensable future-proof features offered you and your android phone, on this goof-ball comment, is a grave mistake.

Don't listen to the "Look at me, I am so contrarian!" voices. They always want attention of the wrong kind. Implicit is a sense of "I am so much smarter than the rest of you. How silly that you would have needs outside of what I need."

Too bad we have no IGNORE button feature at XDA :;
[Desire General] furrypotato:
You guys actually got an Android phone yet ?

There are over 30,000 apps in the Market. I switched from WinMo to Android late last year and am stunned by the variety and quality of the apps.

So don't worry. It can be overwhelming at first but you'll soon start getting used to looking for interesting apps.

Apps that help finding other apps -

AppAware - tracks and logs what you install and what other people install, so you can look at what is popular at the moment.

MarketSuggest - Looks at what apps you have instaled and gives you suggestions for other apps to install.

Plus check out http://www.androlib.com/ , it has a full list of apps there. (And if you download BarcodeScanner' app, you can scan a barcode for any app you like to load it up in your market to install)

Plus check out that websites 'Top of the Day' section.

Google did say that they are working on being able to install apps on SD card, it's juts that they have to work out a way of encrypting the data so people can't just copy the apps off the SD card.

It won't be long until the Desire is properly rooted, and then someone will produce a ROM with apps2SD, which is a fantastic.
[Desire General] mrdo:
yeah, installing apps on the sd card will be a huge step forwards.

so far i've had a mixed bag with android apps. on one hand i've only managed to replicate about 70% of the functionality of my winmo handset but on the other i've gained a few really cool apps that didn't exist on winmo.

overall though it's fantastic to have a speedy, reliable and modern feeling phone. the battery life sucks compared to my xperia though.
[Desire General] Mad Majk:
How do I "clear cache"?
[Desire General] Bonobow:
Can the apps be sent to sd card yet...!?
[Desire General] Mad Majk:
Yes, they can be moved to SD, but only the ones where the developer has added the "Move to SD" option in his APP. It's like 10% of the APPs I have installed on my phone. I'm still preatty low on space on my phone. :(
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Or you setInstallLocation to 2 via ADB (or an app if you are rooted), and then you can move more like 95%.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Mad Majk:
Wait! What? Huh? "ADB"? I don't need to be rooted? Can I have some more info on this? :p (I'm on HTC Desire)
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Look at this thread here for details.

It's not a panacea, as your internal memory will still go down, but it will do so more slowly allowing roughly 60-70% more applications.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] Mad Majk:
Thanx for the info m8.
[Desire General] Bonobow:
So this is the best way? -for not Changing to remixed roms...?
[Desire General] bmancell:
Yea I have been installing to SD card and it helped for a bit, but now I am getting that annoying message again.

Phone: HTC Desire

83 total, 79 free (95%), 4 paid (4%), 97MB total size, $22.00 total price

Battle.net Authenticator

My Oc Transpo

My Used City

XDA-Developers

gReader (Google Reader)

Remote Notifier for Android

Bump

Ringdroid

WeatherEye

SMS Backup+

Nexus Revamped Pro LW

Jewels

PhoneMyPC

Apps Organizer

Tip Calculator by TradeFields

OpenSudoku

Bonsai Blast

ThrottleCopter

Vlingo: Words to Action

Angry Birds Lite Beta

Air Control Lite

Classic Tetris (Full)

AndroZip File Manager

Useless Facts

WiFi Manager

ColorNote Notepad Notes

PayPal

Layar Reality Browser

Gem Miner

Zombie, Run!

Abduction!

AdFree Android

Torrent-fu

Multicon Widget

Qik Video

Starcraft II Barracks

Google Translate

Dictionary.com

Compass

Dropbox

AppBrain App Market

Astrid Task/Todo List

Google Voice

Last.fm

Yelp

Currency Converter

Opera Mini browser

IMDb Movies & TV

DailyHoroscope

ASTRO File Manager

eBay

Shazam

Movies

Barcode Scanner

Advanced Task Killer

Foursquare

MSN Talk

APNdroid

Lookout Antivirus Security

Timeriffic

GetGlue

Twitter

cab4me

DroidCam Wireless Webcam

Robo Defense

Ringo Pro - Ringtones Manager

ROM Manager

MyBackup

Wave Live Wallpaper

Steam Friends

LastPass for Premium Customers

Last Call Widget

HomePipe Free

Google Buzz widget

Gmote 2.0

Gigstar - Music Guide

GDocs

DroidStats : Great app, looks nice. Yet mobile/wifi data does not work...FIX IT!

Bebbled

AppMonster

Google Maps

Facebook for Android

Flash Player 10.1

View this app list on AppBrain

Will they be making applications install to SD and run from SD? Soon...etc?
[Desire General] olly230:
So I prepared my phone for 2.2 by making sure I had 25mb spare.

I free up about 30MB maybe a little more.

I've just rebooted my phone and now have 13mb free

It was 17mb so i went to clear all the caches and it went down!!!!

where did it all go?

Is my phone ill?

I f i have to, what can i use to take all the settings form my phone so I can factory reset and put everything back with the minimum of fuss
[Desire General] th3:
You didn't use FroYo's App2SD and move some apps to the SD card to free up more internal memory?

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- Sent via my HTC Desire -
[Desire General] olly230:
nope, i'm one of the froyoless orange desire owners
[Desire General] abnesher:
In my experience the desire has a huge memory leak. It has gotten better on 2.2 but its still pretty annoying. My suggestion is to do a reset and reinstall the apps you want. In my experience it will end up in way more free space, than before....even with caches and all cleared.

I still reset once a month to free up the space that goes mysteriously missing when installing and uninstalling many apps
[Desire General] olly230:
REbooted my phone again (in the vain hope it will help me get the pre-update update) and all my memory came back :)

This has only happened since I took off task killer. Apparently its redundant in 2.2 so i thought I'd unistall it. People seem to bad mouth it but when ever my phone got laggy I'd just kill everything and it sorts itself out...

So, debranding/ goldcard and froyo...

lets look at it in more detail.
[Desire General] madd0g:
Thats why rooting and Cache Cleaner app is for ;]
[Desire General] rottunix:
The biggest mistake that HTC made was this little ROM. They could have put at least 4GB in it.

It is a shame...

So my Desire must go for at least one year and then to look for a device with bigger ROM. We will need it since we can expect more great apps to come.
[Desire General] machmandp:
Too right

I thought I had read up all I could before going to the desire but its almost antiquated in the small amount of mem for apps.

One of the biggest reasons why Android won't kill off wm7 etc as developers have no reason to write large apps or games as users have no space to install them so won't buy them.

Maybe if HTC & Orange sort out Froyo I may view it different but after the Froyo update crap I will steer clear of HTC and Orange next time
[Desire General] bigmaz:
I just cannot believe in this day and age, we are having to moan about lack of disk space on our devices. I too thought I read everything about the Desire, but never found out about the lack of App space until now. I have only had the phone for 2 days, and already out of space. Its a complete joke. So frustrating. I assume an 8GB version will be coming out soon to make ppl upgrade to that.....
[Desire General] mrdo:
i agree completely. i keep having to clear out the cache and uninstall stuff - i didn't even have to do that with my old winmo device.

.. and don't get me started on people telling me to turn things off to save battery life so that my device will last a full day ... sigh ...

it's incredibly frustrating to have a device but not be able to use it to its full potential ...
[Desire General] dgcruzing:
yup agree..

Just hit that problem, so headed to Titanium backup to sort a few things out..
[Desire General] madd0g:
When the phone came out, the largest Android app was about couple mb's. At the pace mobile business advanced this year, it's obvious that the Desire is kinda obsolete. Good luck with the next device, hope you'll look more into it, before you buy it.
[Desire General] dkris2020:
See i have a 16gb memory card however big problem is it takes way to long to load apps from my sd to my phone so i dont want to resort in having 2 use my sd 4 that
[Desire General] TVTV:
Well, just buy a faster SD card and that's that. Or install the Oxygen ROM - modified bootloader, 332 MB free for apps (minus the Dalvik cache). Note that it hasn't got Sense.

I have installed the Data++ bootloader (252 MB for apps minus 72 MB for Dalvik cache), GingerWally ROM and i still have 97 MB left on phone after installing all my fave apps + games (moved to SD). 164 MB free after a fresh install of said ROM.

Move to SD + custom partitions & GB ROM is the only way to deal with Desire's low internal memory.
[Desire General] dazmac:
I can stand Telstra and as they are only available in Australia via Telstra, i want to purchase one outright. I want to know if anyone knows if this phone will work well on the 3 network.
[Desire General] brandon1108:
The unlocked HTC desire will work on any network in Australia (not as good on telstra). I'm getting mine from clove on the 7th :). Plussss, it's ALOT cheaper getting it imported from the UK, all up it comes to like $550 if i can remember right. It will be around $800 outright from Telstra.

P.S i forgot to mention that you can't get it from t-mobile, you'll have to wait for the unlocked version.
[Desire General] bcmobile:
I'm pretty sure all of the T-Mobile ones are unlocked . Check with others on the forums. T-mobile is probably not an option anyway unless you have a UK address- I dont think they sell them outright??

Will definitely work on 3mobile Australia. I'm also getting one from clove. I'm checking about every hour to see if they have brought the shipping date forward :)
[Desire General] ephumuris:
T-Mobile ones are LOCKED.
[Desire General] m0nr:
Both versions will work on Three, but the International version will not work on Telstra

http://whirlpool.net.au/wiki/?tag=Desire_models

by International I mean the sim-free/unlocked ones from Handtec/Clove etc
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Ive asked for clarification of that from wiki mod. I don't see why you couldn't use NextG. Unless the APac model is different from the AU model, they all support the same bands.

Do you know any reason why NextG differs from other 850 networks? Not that I care - Id rather cut my arm off with a rusty saw than go on a telstra plan. Just curious, thats all.
[HD2 General] ivan00083:
connect as modern then show me error message" The file IntShr' cannot be opened.Either it is not signed with trusted certicate, or one of its components cannot be found.

how to do it??

Thanks