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[Desire General] mw22:
What i want to know is when will call recording work on froyo 2+ or are we all doomed to buying nokias for this service ???

This appears to be a ridiculous to say the least
[Desire General] franssales:
Maybe. My problem is that I make interviews for my stories using headphones, any other way is just a mess. Android phones do not have hardware support for direct recording.

The good news for those finding that solution satisfactory is that it will work in later android versions as well.
[Desire General] franssales:
We all have to balance between pros and cons. Nokias may not be so sexy these days, but they do work.

And specially what Nokia does not master is publicity. If it did and if it had such an estrade lion to speak out its views, products and opinions like some other companies, it would do much better. Apple has sold outdated hardware and no multitasking, though paying attention to user interface. How?

I am not allowed to post links as new user, but Google for "Favorable Expectations Make People Like Using a New Mobile Phone"
[Desire General] foxmeister:
Sorry, but this just isn't true. There is nothing intrinsically special about Android hardware that would prevent this - as far as I'm aware the API introduced in Android 1.6 worked perfectly well on that version, but was subsequently "broken" on later versions (probably deliberately).

Bear in mind that neither the Blackberry or the iPhone support call recording, and it's not for any technical reason but purely because call recording is illegal in some US states, and I believe Google are towing the same line for the same reasons, rather than allowing the consumer to make those decisions themselves.

Given how widely Blackberries and iPhones are used in the corporate world, I suspect that Google don't see it as worth pursuing since lack of voice recording clearly hasn't hampered sales of those devices.

Regards,

Dave
[Desire General] franssales:
Well, I have HTC Tattoo running Android 1.6. I have tested several recording programs, and nothing works. I have RecordCall and TotalRecall installed. They do not work.
[Desire General] mw22:
Something wrong

Mine works perfectly

Had to pay some dollars for mine to get registered versions

using recording strategy A

and storing in mp4 format

Mine pops up after call and allows me to add additional info to name of file
[Desire General] franssales:
Good hints, those of yours. If I get it to work with that little trouble, 1.6 is better for me than later android versions.

Just to be sure: the recording works for you also with headphones?
[Desire General] mw22:
i done have head fones so cannot comment

but on the fone it works beautifully

Been doing so for 3 months now
[Desire General] ekendahl:
Alternative

As an alternative:

Not allowed to post link but google for "VR1 Recordable Bluetooth Headset"

Only 8 minutes recording though but at least something until this issue is solved....
[Desire General] SpideRMaN-17:
I think this issue have to be solved by google (which does not look interested in the subject)
[Desire General] franssales:
I do agree. Over and over again rumours arise telling that in one or another way, android phones can record phonecalls without using the mic. And each time this turns out to be wishful thinking, not tested with headphones.

Why can't Google sell handicapped phones only in North America?
[Desire General] Nordggs:
"Airvoiсe" This program works perfectly on HTC Hero, but is not supported on desire, can somehow be modified to its desire.
[Desire General] Nordggs:
I Desire quite another iron, for which the kernel sources from HTC is not a driver. Snapdragon or record from the line does not support, or it is blocked in the firmware the radio, or just the driver was too lazy to write (if there is a faint hope that someone will understand this and will write it).
[Desire General] mw22:
I see there is a mention of a program "Airvoice" that appears to be rated as recording both sides of conversations

Needs root acces ???? ver 1.5
[Desire General] elziko:
Most comments referring to the Desire mention that it doesn't work.
[Desire General] mw22:
Thanks

Was thinking of upgrading to desire

Think will just remain on tattoo for now

At least total recall working fine and with graffitti sms s are a breaze

I suppose the old tenemant is what works and aint broke leave alone is true
[Desire General] mistbow:
Hi! There is an interesting topic.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=801435

Who knows English, please try to convince to do our problem...
[Desire General] mw22:
I added to the discussion on google issues 2117 and it seems that Google is just not interested in resolving this issue

Wrote an open letter on issue 11589 and had it closed by Gargoyle(Google) !!!!

So i gues unless an enterprising developer solves this problem I will just have to go (as I see most professionals already doing) have to invest in a Nokia fone

So sad !!!!
[Desire General] tommo123:
HTC isn't bothered either. they gave me this response - and this is verbatim - the gimps couldn't even bother to copy and paste properly ffs!!

notice the mistake? worse is, sony is a nasty company (rootkits etc etc) but even they managed to include this option in their phones.

truth is, it wasn't to avoid any legal probs, it was to save dev costs and just do a version that covers all regions. camera click noise for japanese laws, no call record for US state laws.

bunch of lazy cowboys
[Desire General] clownage:
so still nothing? :/
[Desire General] mw22:
I told you all that already earlier

Like the term lazy cowboys

They just not interested

Hence we can offically announce this is a consumer fone with f*** all for business users.

I' ll now go hide in my cupboard
[Desire General] mistbow:
I do not understand why none of the developers are not interested... For example, I have written richardtrip (developer kernel v3) but never got any response (((
[Desire General] mw22:
I think the problem is that the one voice stream is not open source or something like that

In other words it cannot be easily accessed as hidden in the os from developers (I think that is how I understand it).

I am now looking at the new Nokias

(never thought that I would look at a nokia in my life time???)

WebOS 2.0 is my ideal but as HP still not launched not sure what voice recording there will be (Sorry i have always loved Palm devices so maybe a sucker for WebOS2).

Apple has never interested me as without grafitti or a keyboard of no use

(grafitti works fine on my Tattoo (kudus to person who sent me the file)

Android - I was interested in but no voice recording - deal breaker.

Tattoo working fine on voice recording but is a bridge fone to new fone as cannot upgrade to anything in android 2.2 as no voice recording

Rim - was never an option for me no proper support for office

WM65 was ok had to keep resetting fone everyday as it woud otherwise hang

WM7 - I think that is a loooong way off for a proper OS (Hope Microsoft surprises me in the short term) - also will need voice recording ???
[Desire General] sebastienbo:
S-Off

Maybe with the S-off patch there is now a way to record incomming call phone calls?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=794314
[Desire General] mistbow:
The trouble is that nobody wants to do it. Just have to find a place in the software and make the appropriate patch.
[Desire General] Blinkiz:
It seems like someone has developed call recording for HTC Hero phones.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=806451
[Desire General] sebastienbo:
New development

I think it may interest some people of this thread to know that in another thread they found a new way of recording voice calls both ways.

CHeck out:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=806451&page=1

Maybe this new approach could be ported to HTC desire as well ...
[Desire General] mw22:
wil;l this work on Tattoo ver 1.6 ???
[Desire General] gazoutg:
I had too many experiences where i called my phone, tv, internet providers had an information and the next day i call again and they say something totally different.

I coulnt record a call directly on the phone but found bluetooth programs who does record call.

So everytime i call a 'Big' company, i connect my phone to my laptop with bluetooth and use my headset to make the call.

And don't forget to tell the person on the other end of the line you're recording (unless they already told you the call might be recorded while you waited for an agent to answer)

I know its not the best solution, But since nothing else work (HTC Desire) ...
[Desire General] Labutin:
There is no problem with redirecting voice from line to bluetooth.

And what about grab voice from bluetooth, not from line?
[Desire General] franssales:
So it goes. A week ago it was hard to believe this, but I did get back to Nokia 5800. I had it once before, and I was bothered for some extra taps that Symbian needs.

Now, after two months with HTC Tattoo, I feel better. Actually, Symbian works well. It still has those some extra taps, but its battery life is 2-3 times better, it does record my calls, and surprisingly it does all those things which I thought only Android could.

The comparison is unfair, I admit. Tattoo is the smallest HTC and perhaps its battery life is not the best of them. Still, 5800 is a real workhorse that does not let me down when the day is in halfway, and they have ported the firmware of C6 for it, which further extends its life span.

It took me a try to know what I need. Perhaps Android will fix battery life and call recording issues next year, but right now I do not want to hassle with them.
[Desire General] mw22:
Yeah I got to this point to about a month ago

I got total recall to work fine recording calls on my Tattoo (1.6) but so monay other things just did not work or were painful to get around to.

Gave up android went back to a new HTC Touch pro 2 (tilt 2 - Rhodium) until my upgrade in Sept 2011

Then I will see what new AND WORKING correctly.

At this point my Tpro2 is working like a dream even with skype.

A happy Chappy !!!http://media.xda-developers.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
[Desire General] forcemaker:
I am just amazed about how you guys'n'gals are dependent on the in-call-recording feature...

... as I put my Win Mobile device away for exactly this reason: I wasn't able to activate 2-way voice recording (even with all those registry hacks). I almost went back to my Sony-Ericsson W200i for that reason... and I thought, I'd be the biggest nerd if I did so.

But reading how important this is to you, too, I feel either more "nerdier" or more relieved ;-)

At the moment, I am using my Desire @ 2.1 with Ultimate Voice Recorder and with the other party on maximum loudness. I get somewhat of a quality out of this, even if it isn't this nice.
[Desire General] forcemaker:
Oh, and a question: wouldn't rooting offer a programmer to access system settings so he/she could record at full volume?
[Desire General] rackspace:
Naahhh!! they dont have access to incoming voice any more.
[Desire General] franssales:
Well, my needs come straight from my profession. Personally I do not see it as nerdiness, but it all depends how you see it.

It looks to me that quite few people are dependent of in-call-recording feature. Otherwise the phone makers would fix it. Camera, music, Facebook, they are all much more important for John Smith.

But Tattoo would bother John Smith as well. It runs out of battery so soon, that you start stressing for it when you see that 1-2 first stops of battery meter have gone. It is not much fun when you always must plan ahead where to charge and how long your phone can survive without charging.

John Smith would not be too happy when his calls cut in places where other phones do well. It must have been the most vulnerable phone I've ever used what comes to the strength of field, and since it was underpowered, people often cut off before I even picked up the call, because it did not ring. Tattoo was a good computer but less than a mediocre phone. You know what it means when you experience it.
[Desire General] Labutin:
I have started this project: http://call-recording-on-android.com

Please, leave your comments!
[Desire General] mw22:
Hi

It is not about being nerdier at all

It is just pure practically.

It appears fone operators are just in it for the bucks.

Most business people want a copy of sales order , plan changes , engineering, accounting as well as sales division are basically all hamstrung unless they have bascis call recording available to them.

Thats where i see nokia and sony will be around for a long time as they are more geared to the business person than android etcs

Palm was geared to call rec

WM 6.5 on the Tpro 2 with audio resco recorder was geared to this as well.

android Apple ??????? well great playthings for facebook twitter email etc but zippo for telephony !!!
[Desire General] avs333:
Call recording on HTC Desire (magic/hero/legend/tattoo/wildfire and other MSM-based HTC devices look here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=806451)

First, there're *two* CPUs in any HTC device. The first ("Application" CPU) is responsible for everything you actually play with (it runs the OS, Android applications, etc.), and the second ("Modem" CPU) is for interaction with various wireless and some other hardware. When you flash a new ROM, you upgrade the code for the first CPU, and when you flash a new radio image, you upgrade the code for the second one. If you have a Hero or any other MSM7xxx-based device, your CPUs are arm11 and arm9, if you have a newer device like Desire, they are snapdragon and arm11.

You'll never be able to record the line without a proper driver. The trouble is that the Apps CPU code is GPL'ed and open-source, but the Modem CPU code is somehow considered as a part of Qualcomm's hardware, and its specs or sources are open only for vendors like HTC (try to register on this page https://downloads.cdmatech.com/qdc/custom/l...ogin/login.jsp). Writing a driver absent in Desire-like (snapdragon) devices would only be possibe if a) Qualcomm publishes its specs related to Modem CPU, or b) HTC reveals the details of the protocol used for communication between the two processors (aka "RPC").

Please visit the site http://call-recording-on-android.com if you want Desire ever supported!
[Desire General] Labutin:
My conversation with HTC.

To HTC:

From HTC:

To HTC:

From HTC:

To HTC:

From HTC:
[Desire General] alinawaz:
Go for total recall
[Desire General] forcemaker:
The company created the Call Recorder / Total Recall program has an essay about the legality of in-call-recording.

Just have a look at this entry: http://www.killermobile.com/the-lowdown-on-recording-mobile-calls.html

I cannot (and don't want to) verify the statement, ...

But if true, that is a clear "OK to go" for many of HTC's users in the USA.

The correspondence with HTC, a few posts above, actually implies that - in my words - you just need to know the right API call to do the recording, as all is in place and no new/modified drivers were required.

As I do not know about the programming behind this task, nor as I do not want to discredit the programmers of current call recording solutions, I do hope this was true, but I am not putting much hope in it.

Have a good day and a nice start into 2011!
[Desire General] dmitrmax:
Meanwhile there appeared apps (vRecorder and rVoix) which give an ability to do 2-way line recording on HTC phones. Except the Desire. Developers say that in order to have an ability to run these apps, you have to have appropriate driver compiled in kernel and devices /dev/voc_*, which appear on almost all HTC phones but Desire. For some unknown reason HTC didn't compiled this driver in Desire's kernel.

I wonder if it is possible to compile the kernel by ourself with the driver included? Folks say that driver source is available....
[Desire General] tranqui69:
No news?

:(

Shame on you HTC
[Desire General] hejhej.ac:
Would absolutely love this feature! But sadly i don't think it will ever work:(
[Desire General] Reason4444:
We're waited proper two-way call recording for HD2 about more than year...

Also we think it's impposible due hardware restrictions... But only one registry trick, it works !!!

So, don't be sad, just wait :)
[Desire General] tommo123:
this is enough to make me think about not going HTC next time around as this is something i need.
[Desire General] Lothaen:
I thought i saw an app once called 'htc call recorder' - could have dreamed it though
[Desire General] forcemaker:
the missing driver...

... look what I have found here:

http://forum.cyanogenmod.com/topic/11390-recording-voice-from-line/

There is wrote that there is the corresponding driver within the HTC Kernel sources (which I tried to figure out the whole last night ;-( ... ).

Don't get too excited, but please read it yourself.
[Desire General] cozzmo:
2 way record works on samsung galaxy

Hi

I am moving to samsung

Tried it and it really works!!!

Going to ditch htc (-:
[Desire General] erikbp:
I really hopes that someone figures out how to get call recording working!
[Desire General] Lothaen:
what's so important about it?

could understand for businesses...
[Desire General] forcemaker:
There was this discussion in this thread at post nr. 22 and later, so feel free to read there.

And no, business matters aren't the only reasons. Best, try it yourself (with a fully functional platform, indeed) and experience the resulting "comfort" you gain.
[Desire General] synpax:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.opensystem.record

That application CLAIMS it works. Considering it says you need a rooted phone for it to work, I'd suggest giving it a try.
[Desire General] bemymonkey:
@synpax: Only one-way according to the reviews...
[Desire General] Bengaal:
Try HTC call recorder

It work's best for me..... the in-call recording is pretty good.

The sound is very clear.
[Desire General] synpax:
That only works when you have it on speaker.
[Desire General] MeX_DK:
THis app does not work. I tried it on my HTC Desire, even went as far as buying the pro version. But the "help" from Killer Mobile has been lacking and their support has been rude bordering injustice so I wont recommend anyone supporting them and their software.
[Desire General] SpideRMaN-17:
false advertisments should be removed from here !!
[Desire General] skp3c0:
if u want u can try for change MIUI roms... they have sound recorders cooked in rom
[Desire General] lejars1:
A quick note on the legality of call recording in the UK.

Recording without warnings for private purposes is completely lawful in the UK.

Private purposes means that the recording will not be sold and probably even broadcast for free.

However, recording for the purposes of litigation or to further a complaint does amount to private purposes and would therefore be lawful.

If you search on the words "consumer" and "action" and "call recording" you will find a consumer rights forum where this issue is often discussed and where call recording on fixed lines or mobile phones is encouraged whenever dealing with any kind of business - especially banks and other financial institutions.
[Desire General] Blinkiz:
This sounds interesting. So, anyone tried this yet?
[Desire General] Sirhcchris:
"if u want u can try for change MIUI roms... they have sound recorders cooked in rom

This sounds interesting. So, anyone tried this yet?"

Yes, It works! There is no auto answer function but i've made a few post to that effect. I'm thinking if the MIUI Dev's have generally got recording working then the rest is a matter of time.

.... I HOPE!

Chris
[Desire General] Blinkiz:
And you are talking about two way call recording without enabling speaker?
[Desire General] Sirhcchris:
2 way indeed, no speaker. If i handed you a call and i had the recording on, you could never tell. The playback is clear, the incomming voice is slightly lower (in my case) but that makes it easer to tell who is saying what. Its quite good.

When you recieve a call and answer it, there are option buttons above the end call. Hit advanced and in a pop up, hit the record. It can be started at any time. When someone is giving me directions i ask them to wait a sec. I then hit the record, there is a slight "tic" sound and tell them to go ahead. It stores the file in the MIUI dir. on the SD card.

If the option was present to select an auto answer it would be the cherry on top!

Check out MIUI-DEV I just started a tread under DESIRE GSM. I'm crossing my fingers that someone sees it who knows how it can be done.

Chris
[Desire General] Sirhcchris:
PS: I'm using XJ's MIUI the app 2 sd version. I was using x-part (super fast) but i found there were a few little issues (1.2.5 its at 1.3.11 now so...)
[Desire General] fisha21:
Just found this thread - not 100% working but seems close enough (haven't tried it myself yet). Certainly easier than switching over to MIUI!!
[Desire General] pascanu:
It definitely works! One more reason to root your phone. Just do it!
[Desire General] svscott26:
I am trying to get this to work on my Droid X and it is almost perfect. However I don't have a "media recorder" and when I try to use the profile it brings up an error. Also because of that when it ends the call and wants to save the "file" it can not since it does not have a sdcard/media/recorder file.

Any idea or apps that I need to use this feature?

Thanks for any help

Scott
[Desire General] timp123:
Call recording is built into several ROMs for the HTC Thunderbolt for Verizon. I've been using it for a couple days now and it records both sides very clearly with and without speakerphone, and also with bluetooth conversations. Apparently this is the first android Verizon phone to have the functionality since the Eris.

If anyone wants to donate to the engineer who wrote the kernel, I can provide his XDA ID.
[Desire General] impactor:
[MENTION=6106307]boldbeast[/MENTION],

I take it that before you carried out your unholy necromantic rituals, you did take notice of the fact that during the five-year period which passed since the OP asked his question, he probably had children, divorced, changed job three times, moved countries, changed his phone several times and forgot about this thread more than we'll ever learn.

Didn't you?

PS

I've never found a better call recorder than CallRecorder by skvalex.
[Desire General] impactor:
I think you missed the point of my post entirely.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] domi007:
Hello Everyone,

I just came up with an interesting idea, following a conversation with my friend. He said: the Diamond1 is still an awesome phone, but it doesn't have enough RAM for the newer Sense and Manila ROMs. I just said: why can't you just buy a DIAM500 which has 288 MB of RAM? He said, the DIAM500 is for CDMA networks, but he uses GSM.

But the idea is still there, if the engineers could fit 288 MB of RAM into the DIAM500 why can't we just change the RAM chips in the other Diamond variants, and have the same amount of RAM as the CDMA versions? We did the same with the HTC Universal, it looks possible.

First of all I am trying to get some pictures about the System Board of these two machines, to see if they are even comparable, or (would be ideal) almost the same.

Anyone has any thoughts, or pictures, please don't hesitate to write in this thread.

Thank you,

DOMy
[Droid Eris Android Development] northmendo:
Hello all,

I have made a shell script to remove the HTC Sense files from your Droid Eris.

My process is not perfect. I can't find one file so every time I reboot that process force closes. A small price to pay for a Senseless Eris (no pun intended)

In my experience the phone is much faster without all that crap.

Here is the link to my blog for the process.
[Nexus One General] BlackHawk6:
Do you think there will ever be a theme or a ROM with sence UI like the one that is on the hd2, While the N1 is an impressive piece of hardware, im not to crazy about the UI and would love to have sence 2.5 running.
[Nexus One General] PhantomRampage:
* Mod EDIT *

look here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=636048

Enjoy.
[Nexus One General] BlackHawk6:
As i said the sence that is on the hd2, not the android sence and im well aware that we have the desire rom.