yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] AshMa:
Oh I was hoping they would have fixed that by now. The Omnia 2 has a new 6.5.3 rom coming now, so I am assuming that the version of Swype it carries, will work right for us. I keep checking boards about the Omnia 2, just waiting for some good news. And no probelem! I'll post a link here, if I do find it or if Kumar creates one.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] DaveNavy:
AWESOME

Thanks, this thing is official by the looks of it!!! How in the hell did you get an Official before the Official Release?:confused: Anyway great job getting this to us thanks so much!!!!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Laurentius26:
I think the secure box you are talking about is this app?

Thanks to Mohitsapru. :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=673387
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Adnanii:
si,m

how can I use dansih simcard on my htc hd2
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] joe_coolish:
Ha! That's funny :)

"So..... That means it's a 1024 mb ROM right?" lol
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Edmiller89:
awesome, whats the 2.13 rom supposed to do for us? does it fix some radio/rom issues that were happening b4?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] dkb218:
That's the general idea with an update.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] erics9382:
NBH file

Hello can someone please post the NBH file for the 2.13 rom i am at work and i would like to download and upgrade here at my work but i need the NBH file thanks
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
if you download the zip, you can extract the nbh from the exe. Use Winrar, open the .exe and extract the nbh.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] awjs:
Update changes SPL for 208 to 210 after this update u will not be able to load custom roms so be careful... have to wait for HSPL2_1024_RUN to come out with new hard 210 SPL to load custom roms

Hope this helps
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] joshkoss:
Dude! last night i actually flashed my HD2 Tmobile from my SD with this 2.13 rom, Successfully restoring my bricked hd2 to spl 2.10! I then re-flashed 2.10 rom from SD loading spl 2.08, then re-hardspl'd my phone fine!

So don't be too scared :)

Edit, also the only way to overwrite HARDSPL is to flash stock roms from SD...
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] awjs:
K cool I just flashed it and I coundnt run the hard spl tool because it only works on 208, so I guess I have to wait for a 210 hard spl tool or as u said just flash rom 210 from the sd card.

Thx
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] joshkoss:
Correct :) :cool:
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
I had an issue where my system drive only showed about 90mb in size, so there was no free space, phone wouldn't startup. I cleared free space, flashed again, flashed a Kumar rom, but still had the same problem.

How did the size of the system partition change?

Would flashing from the SD card fix this?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Sheraz150:
I'm having some weird touchscreen scrolling issues with this rom, I heard it being discussed in another thread too. Is there anyway I can fix this without reflashing?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] slimster:
your best bet is to wait for a cooked rom using the 2.13.....i also found the touchscreen responce to be very lacking; i was so happy to flash this update but was quickly dissapointed. Anybody find any positive improvements in this last update?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
That's what I'm gonna do :)
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] zelendel:
Hey guys why wait, Joshs New test is 2.13 based been running sense Last night
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
I'm Kumars faithful;)
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] joe_coolish:
lol, me too. But I might *dabble* on the dark side :) I doubt kumar will do anything with 2.13 until it is offically released by tmo
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
He already announced today he was doing a 2.13 based. The official tmo release should be next week (I think). No rush for me:)
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] joe_coolish:
Spoke too soon! Guess I should read the thread once in a while :rolleyes:

Thanks secano for pointing me in the right direction!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
and you call yourself faithful!!!! lol just kidding!!! you're welcome.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] kevev:
Link on the htc site to the official release already out. Thanks to "toreone" for posting it

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=6474257&posted=1#post6474257
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] norgan:
the touch drivers from 2.10 seem to work better, the new touch stuff has a different behaviour, i'm still incertain as to it being purposful or not.

it seems to stop after one page of scrolling, where the old drivers scrolled as far as you mean to push. i.e. swip harder and longer and it'll scroll longer and faster.

maybe they have changed this behaviour for retail newbs so they didn;t freak out at thier pages wizzing past them too fast lol
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Zoskalon:
Here's my experience with 2.13:

The touch screen is HORRIBLE. I can barely press the X button in the corner. Scrolling of any kind is ridiculous. I have to use the base of my thumb to scroll, seems as if the "sensitivity" is set way too low (a big surface area of skin must be touching the screen to register a touch).

And the most awesome part is that I opted out of returning the phone because I had faith that t-mobile's rom update would solve my connectivity issues. Well, with 2.13 I can BARELY ever connect to the internet! I'm outside, I have 4 solid bars of 3G signal, yet google maps never load, youtube doesn't connect, cannot download satellites, etc. I was able to connect a few times, but this is ridiculous.

Exactly one year ago, I payed a $200 cancellation fee to get the hell away from t-mobile and go to AT&T. With AT&T, I had 3.5G EVERYWHERE. At work, at my university, and most importantly, in my basement! With my HD2, I have 1 or 2 bars of G and calls rarely go through, people yelling at me that they've been calling like 5 times before anyone answers!

I tried elegancia with 2.13 and my connectivity is worse than the stock 2.13, but at least it doesn't have the touch screen issues.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] richsark:
Tmo Visual VM

HI,

is there an update for the Visual Voice mail on this 2.13 ROM? I think 2.13 ROM has version 1.5

Right now I am using Tmobile_Visual_Voicemail_-Working.cab which is 3401KB

I got this back in March. Just wondering where I can find a newer one if its out there?

I also noticed the leaked 2.13 ROM fixes the issue where when you listen to you Visual VM the screen locks when you hold it to your face/ear. YEAH !!!

Thanks
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] jfmckenna:
2.13 swype

i saw another post that linked to duttys swype cab for 2.13 release with vibration. You need to register with htcpedia to download it here is the link
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] AshMa:
THANK YOU!!!! Been waiting for this, but now I'm really waiting on someone to extract the Swype version used in Omnia II updated ROM which is 6.5.3 based. Then we'll finally have Swype not overlapping on 6.5.x ROMs. :D
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
I just installed this, but my phone just started to freeze:( and the swype keyboard wouldn't pop up. Back to kumars swype.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] AshMa:
I just installed it too and it's working perfectly on my Kumar 2.0 Classic. The tap and hold for 2nd characters works each time on this version, no way I'd go back to the old......
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
:( I'll just wait for 2.1
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] jfmckenna:
strange it worked fine for me i'd try again make sure you soft reset and uninstall kumars first
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
lol...now it works!!! guess I didn't follow the proper steps :D
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] AshMa:
Good to hear! ;)
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
Now I have this...auto spacing(swype), it seems to work everywhere else, except when trying to reply from the screenshots below. The space bar key has a little space bar icon with a red circle around it (on the keyboard). I have auto spacing enabled.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] AshMa:
Sorry I have no clue what that is as I've never seen it. I' assuming its an error message or it's alerting you to something, perhaps spell checking.....
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] sniff15:
t-mobile hd2`

this will be my first post about the hd2. i have two one for the girlfriend and the other well for me. one is the euro version with 448ram and i have the t-mobile 1024 leo.

they both have the time stamp issue when it comes to messages and also when i'm texting back and forth between two people the phone will send the messages to the wrong phone number even thought it's in the same convesation.

i went ahead i tried the new 2.13.1 t-mobile rom and it does not seem to exhibit this problem seems fixed, however the radio in sucks! nothing but static when you talk to someone, sooo bad, so i went back down to 2.10.1.

can anyone tell me how to rip the htc messaging client from the new version...?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] jfmckenna:
you could always flash the radio separately or search for the tmous call quality fix
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] d0ug:
Does anyone have updated links to these ROM downloads? none of the links at the beginning of this thread are working
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] donalgodon:
Has anyone compared the 2.13 shipped version just released with the 2.13 leaked?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
It's the same :)
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] tai4de2:
I flashed the "official" 2.13 and now want to go back to 2.10.1 that came with the phone. I don't like the touch sensitivity and the radio reception indoors sucks.

I have never messed with hard SPL or done any flashing or unlocking of any sort except simply connecting to my PC and running the .exe that was posted on HTC's web site to update to 2.13.

I am confused about whether I need to do anything special to revert back to the 2.10.1 that was posted in this thread. Apologize for being dense but do I need to flash back to 2.10.0 first, install some hardspl, uninstall hard spl when I am done... etc.

All I want to do is go back from 2.13 that I flashed using the "official" released .exe, to 2.10.1 in its completely stock form.

Thanks for any help.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] quanics:
2.13

can you post the link to upgrade to 2.13?

Thanks in advanced
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] tuppaacc:
What about the new leaked WP7 Rom, anyone know whos working on that for the HD2?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] fyatwyrio:
I also have this problem. Not sure what's going on.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
Might as well go back to the old one. I found no fix to this :(
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] tai4de2:
+1

I did these steps:

* Updated to 2.13 with the 'official' update that leaked on HTC's web site a few days ago

* Went back to 2.10.0 using xmoo's .exe

* Installed HardSPL1024

* Installed xmoo's 2.10.1 using the PC/ActiveSync method

My ROM date says 2/19/2010. Is it possible that a mistake was made and the ruu_signed.nbh that was posted as .1 is actually the .0 version?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] cu2cool:
This version of Swype is great! Vibrate option and long press WORKS!!! Mods should definitely sticky this link separately in the forum so other HD2 owners can update. Wouldn't have come across this if I hadn't been following this thread.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
Joshkoss - Do you know of anyone currently working on Hard SPL 210
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] gatorlounge:
2.13.531.1 need link

Is there anyone that was able to download the 2.13 version and willing to share a link as the link in first post is dead and I would really like to get ahold of this rom

Thanks ahead of time
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] htcp85:
I had ROM 2.10351.1 date (2/22) and know i flash the Elegancia ROM if i want to go back to the stock one should i just flash the rom that is in the first post (2.10.1 *No Stock SPL!!!) via activesync usb.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] AshMa:
New Visual Voicemail Cab?

From what I've been hearing, the newer version of Visual Voicemail, no longer has the annoying problem of stopping playback while the phone is held up to your face.

Does anyone know of a cab is out for this? I downloaded the 2.13 ROM, extracted all the files from the nbh file and with a program I found here, I tried to create a cab but got lost before I could find the VV files.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
The link in the thread

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=681030

works.

Click on

T-Mobile HD2 Software (Version 2.13.531.1) You'll have to enter your IMEI number.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] htcp85:
I have the same problem i had 2.10.531.1 date 2/22 i installed 2.08Hspl then i flash Elegancia, after that decided went back to stock so today went back to it, download the link that says 2.10.1 no stock Spl run the exe via activesync (usb) but the date is 2/19 on it, so what's going on with it, it means is not the one that came with the phone.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] ssconceptz:
Question: Can I upgrade my T-Mobile HD2 that has a custom ROM and HSPL to this new update and if I need to go back to SPL that came with my phone, how do I do that?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] carajean:
Hey guys can I downgrade to the 2.10 rom from the 2.13? Using the ROM in this thread.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
Yeah with HSPL you can downgrade to 2.10.1, without HSPL (so stock) you can downgrade to 2.10.0
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] ascrackoo1:
Shortcuts

I upgraded to the 2.13 rom and I ended up deleting my Messaging shortcuts from the start menu. Can anyone help me out and send me a copy of the shortcuts?

They're located in device\windows\startmenu\programs\messaging
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] donatien97:
Has anyone had any luck with the new TMO HD2 upgrade? I thought about it but it sounds like most people are not happy with it and even wanting to go back to an earlier version.

Also, has anyone performed the upgrade and then restored from a backup app (like SPB Backup)?

Thanks

-Mike
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] J_Potts:
Upgrade 2.13 SD Card Problems

Uprgaded to T-Mobile 2.13 noticed after puttting SD card back in that everthing slowed down and screen was locking up. When I remove this SD card everything speeds back up and it runs fine. Can anyone give me some ideas?

Thank you!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] efjay:
Been running the 2.13 update with no problems, applied the registry fix for screen issues, also today just installed LeoCpuSpeed, device is stable and fast as ever.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] J_Potts:
Registry Fix HD2

Where can we download the registry fix?

Thanks!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] efjay:
I only applied the TouchPanel registry fix, but the whole cab seems to have helped most everyone who has tried it: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=683192
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] DeriquedeCoux:
Can someone post a link to doawnload a 2.10.nbh or .nbg file?

I don't know how to change the files myself..
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
Just download the ROM and extract it with winrar, there you will see the nbh.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] DeriquedeCoux:
Yes i figured it out using jagnet's [TUT] How to change from one official ROM to another (including language).
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] tpatel89:
Fresh untouched 2.13 ROM from T-mobile site

Hey guys

this is the latest update from T-mobile site, we have a lot of modified and pre-release version this is the final product from T-mobile...

dl.htc.com/ruudownload/t-mobileUS/Filedownload.aspx?pid=leo

USE IMEI num: 357779035121407

Cheers
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
ummm...really? Where have you been?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] nickhaaa:
Hey, I hate to sound like such a noob, but I recently purchased an HD2 and I have SPL 2.10. I've been doing lots of reading and research.

When trying to flash HSPL2 for SPL 2.07/2.08 I get the error message because my SPL isn't correct, I understand. Do I need to flash via SD card with a stock shipped ROM to obtain the proper SPL version? Or can I do it from USB?

Also when I look through the list it shows the ROM version. As I've read and understand it the 2.10 ROM has the 2.08 SPL? What about the other ones? Am I correct in assuming this or is there a link somewhere that states this information?

Thanks, any help is much appreciated.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
Flash the 2.10.0 rom using ur SD-Card.

This will give you HSPL 2.8, then you can flash HSPL.

Goodluck
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] nickhaaa:
If the file is a .exe how do i get access to the nbh to change the name to leoimg to flash utilizing SD-card?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
Use winrar, you can extract the nbh file from the exe.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] nickhaaa:
Yeah, I finally got it. So everything went well.

I flashed stock ROM 2.10 and saw my SPL version was 2.08. I then proceeded to flash hardSPL 2.08. Successful.

I then flashed Duttys HGv3 ROM. Successful flash. Only issue is the GPS.

Before I flashed anything I would get a GPS lock in under 10 seconds. Now with the new rom I can't get a lock at all. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you.

current radio is 2.10.50.26
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
Always preform a hard reset aftet every flash. This solves a lot of issues most of the time.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Muscleboy:
rom dumped?

Hi, has the rom been dumped?where are the dumping instructions and recompiled kitchen for 1024 leo? also the new cooked roms are faster but mising videophone and other features on the rhodium cooked roms. but that's for another thread.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
No one has dumped x.1 as of yet. Your best chance is xmoo, he has the files and should be dumping soon here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=656167. You can find 2.10.531.0, courtesy of xmoo, by the following link, however it is not the TMOUS rom version that was released on the 24th. I will wait for my shipped version (2.10.531.1) before flashing a custom rom. Link: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=636387
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
Guys good new, Laurentius26 managed to fix the dump with everything in it!!

Will upload it 2night :D
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
Rawhide, don't miss out on a good rom now, the .1 official will be there eventually, there are some nice roms out there. Are you worried about having to take the phone back? I d/l the .0 official, just in case but I haven't used it, I've flashed 4 or 5 times...

I've run Kumar and Energy both are good, I think Kumar's is better than stock. Anyway - if you've been doing this awhile, how often do you go back to stock? :)
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
Great news. Glad we have the Netherladers.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
Stranger- I am a completely new at this may be reflected by my unwillingness to flash a new rom until my stock x.1 rom is available. Yes, it is a concern if I need to return/repair my phone. I do not know if it would cause a red flag if the phone had a different rom version? I have flashed HSPL2 and have yet to flash a custom rom. Thanks
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
2.10.1 (This is the rom that came shipped with the device!!)

http://xda.vbnhost.com:8080/HD2/ROM...dio_Signed_15.34.50.07U_2.08.50.08_2_Ship.zip

Enjoy!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
Well here goes then, the original rom is being uploaded. :) Be sure to keep the file you flashed the hspl with, along with this rom. This flashing stuff gets addictive! Awhile back, with the Diamond, I was flashing my own rom or someone else's at 2 -3 times a week. :D That got a little crazy but it is fun, I've wondered how many re-writes these chips can take :) !
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] DeekoVB5:
Do you happen to have what actually changed between .0 and .1? I've flashed back to .1 myself and don't want to switch to .1 unless it really matters.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
Some files updates, some drivers updated....
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] KevIrv:
@ xmoo,

I don't know if you realize this yet but your link is not working and invalid. You might want to fix this ASAP and thanks from all of us.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
Ditto on the bad link;(
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
If you had read post #1
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
Comfirmed bad link.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Nibbley15:
Size of file

XMOO,

Thanks for the work on getting the file put together!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
If you also read the first page, It is currently still uploading. The file is around 205MB when it's uploaded.

EDIT

It's now fully uploaded!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] Panayiotis:
Still bad link!:(
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] DeekoVB5:
Its working fine. Follow the instructions.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
My mistake xmoo. I found the files but I am receiving a "failed to open stream: Not a Directory" error. What am I doing wrong.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] rawhide85:
I think we all need to excercise some patients.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] nickhaaa:
yeah i did, but no luck. I'd really like to use that rom too..
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] newbomb:
Just to be over-cautious here... I can download the stock rom 2.10.0 and just reinstall it the way I did with the 2.13 rom. Is that correct. I'm lost wth all the tech talk here and I don't want to make a mistake. I just want my HD2 to run the way it did last week.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
New version of the TMOUS 2.13 ROM Uploaded!!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] secano:
What are the changes from this ROM to the previous 2.13?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] xmoo:
300kb smaller.

More I don't know!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
Is there a difference? The file size is the same. I will flash and see if I can notice anything.

I extracted the file, all the files are the same date / time and size. I think there is nothing different here.
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] joe_coolish:
hmmm... 300 kb isn't that much, but then again, it really isn't the much to change some of the more annoying issues (like the last SMS being selected in HTC Messaging)

Here's for hoping!
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] the0stranger:
xmoo, how are you measuring the size, the file I downloaded appears exactly the same to me

216,194,411 bytes

and the nbh file has 4/28 date with 281,279,360 bytes. Do you have something different?
[T-Mobile HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Development] roycio:
I have the same.