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[Touch2 General] Jumbeaux:
If you have a bit extra cash, get the HD2. Touch2 too small. Difficult to type for large fingers. TF2D 2.0 also has limited development.
[Touch2 General] TangerineTractor:
Personally, I can't see why people get so obsessed with TF2d/Manila/Titanium/SPB/Throttlelauncher/Other Shells...

It's all just eye-candy. People start flashing new ROMs then complain that certain functions don't work, or it's too slow...

I may be in the minority here, but what I wand from my device is (a) basic everyday onformation on my initial screen - message count, diary for the next few days, time, and (b) quick access to my most commonly used functions - email, internet.

Touchflo, Titanium etc just add another layer of complexity that eats up memory, makes things harder to get to, and ultimately slows down the device. The stock roms are fast enough too, although I have to admit I do like playing with new roms, I always use a standard today screen rather than touchflo etc.

I understand the argument about size for typing, but there are bigger virtual keyboards if needed, and it's a personal choice - I find the size of the Mega the best all round compromise - big enough to be useable and small enough to stick in your jeans pocket without being uncomfortable...

Rant over, sorry!
[Touch2 General] Addicted2xda:
+1 for that :D.

If you really really need a so called 'Business Device', then IMHO neither Touch2 nor Touch HD2 cut the ice, get a phone with a real key pad .. like TP2 :p. I can mail better with my vox or even my B7320 than I can with my Touch2, but Touch2 is a much better and more complete device :).
[Touch2 General] deepakmk:
Phones like TD2 or HD2 are really good emailing and calender phones.

The drawback on Touch2 is the calender. It is really bad the way i see it. Even in TouchFlo it doesnt have a good calender. Its just horrifying for me. If you compare it to the 3D of Td2 and HD2 its really bad. TouchFlo3D has awesome calender and appointments, calender mainly due to the fact it shows the dates like a real calender but touch2 shows a long line and very inconvenient.

Emailing is okay but if u hav alot of emails you might want to get a long phone like Td2 to see all ur emails in one screen without scrolling down alot.

If you have big fingers ur going to find texting Very hard.

It only has QWERTY and Phone Keypad while HD2 has Qwerty,semi qwerty and many more.

In the end its ur decision ;)
[Touch2 General] AaronNZ:
Thanks guys. I'm limited by how much the company will spend on a phone for me - the price of the Mega is about the maximum they will spend, and I'm not allowed to top up (I would have to buy my own phone with no compensation).

I'm also limited by the fact it has to be a phone advertised by telecom NZ (www.telecom.co.nz) - the mega is not there yet but it will be in the next couple of weeks according to the insider I've talked to.

I found a decent calendar app while I was running winmo on the Vogue, so I'm sure I can find one for the Mega.

How is the speed and screen responsiveness? That's the major drawback to the Vogue.
[Touch2 General] TangerineTractor:
No issues with speed or responsiveness. If you need a decent calendar, disable the touchflo stuff and put todayagenda (free) on your todayscreen.
[Touch2 General] LtBlue:
pretty nice PDA :) put on Tiger Clean ROM and u've got 4 days of battery life :)

and yes , u can find another calendar app for the Mega and the problem is solved ;]]
[Desire General] quicksite:
I've switched this post around: Initially I was making a suggestion for USA residents about where to buy an unlocked Desire for use in USA (EXPANSIS-usa.com). That changed when I got a recommendation below to buy from a UK vendor (HANDTEC) for $100 less, including the cost of FedExing from UK to USA.

When shipping to USA, you exclude the VAT: thus making the price:

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Lots of "First Look" Videos; This one is more comprehensive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFyWDcc_O6M

From coolsmartphone — March 29, 2010 — Comparisons with the Hero, a look at Google Maps plus the sheer speed of the device. We also compare it in size with the HTC HD2 and take a look at YouTube plus much more.

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[Desire General] quicksite:
From USA Vendor, avoids Customs, costs more: $639 + $17 for 2 day FedEx

Expansys USA ships from state of Illinois:

BUT ALSO, APPLY COUPON CODE and get $15 off: (that's $624 USD)

Here: http://www.couponcabin.com/coupons/expansys/ or here:

http://www.savings.com/eXpansys-US/...ZHagod6WTQCg&searchTerm=Expansys+Voucher+Code

FedEx is really cheap for 2-day and 1-day. These costs get erased by that coupon!

I called the phone number on their website to conform all of this: it was 1am here in San Francisco, and I figured they were closed because they operate in USA out of Illinois. But call went through to UK office which was staffed. I confirmed cost, and the FedEx charges. I asked when are these shipping? She said they will ship from Illinois in 3 days from now. That is approx April 3rd... and with 1-day FedEx it's *possible* ( can't ever rely fully on this), I can get one in my hands by April 4th. We shall see!)

(Their price for the HTC LEGEND is $539.99 )

OTHER ONLINE VENDORS for SIM-FREE DESIRES:

Compare price:

Integron: $699

http://www.integrontech.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=HTC-DESIRE&click=2

Mobile City Online: $799.00

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=25983
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
:eek: Maybe it is because it is a U.S. based supplier, but $624? I got mine for $520 with 2-4 day shipping from Handtec :confused:

Just spoke to CS at Handtec and they are still confirming that their stock from HTC UK will not be in until April 7th :(

Either way...congrats on the purchase :D
[Desire General] quicksite:
SUGGESTION: Can't XDA-Devs add a Crowd-sourced "BEST PRICE" section to the site?

Yeah, I read some of the pricing people were getting this for. But I ended up having to pay $500 for my GSM Hero back in October 09, and that was the best price I could find... so, relative to that, $625 doesn't seem that off. Especially if it truly gets delivered to me in that time frame. And lest we forget, the USA is totally f&#!ed when it comes to cell industry. There's always a new way to f* you over... Also, I am pretty sure the unlocked Nexus One was (and still is) costing about $600 USD. I'd pay extra $25 for the superior optical trackball. :)

Hey besides!

How come nobody ever makes it super clear: HERE IS WHERE TO BUY IT THE CHEAPEST? Sheesh. This is the largest crowd-source smartphone community on earth, and I only read this AFTER I buy mine? Svetius -- are you reading this? I know you aren't, but please, Jesus, in the new information design of the site, can this not be a STANDARD FRIKKIN' FEATURE! "Best Price currently at ...." It's a database click away...

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[Desire General] redrazr7791:
I have been preaching about Handtec and a couple of people have been talking about Clove for days now. Heck some people on here probably think I am a rep for Handtec or something! :p
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
double post...
[Desire General] quicksite:
NOTHING IS EVER TRULY RELEVANT IS IT ISN'T INFORMATION-DESIGNED!

Of course I am not shouting at you. I am shouting at the site at large. You;d think they'd have this as a section in Marketplace Forum. No, you;d be wrong. This whole site lacks the most basic information design when it comes to buying product. Which makes us (or most of us) a bunch of sheep... when instead we should have massive buying power, getting even BETTER deals -- the XDA rate... grumble grumble grumble. Yeah sure, I should do a general search on the site everyday for "HTC Desire buy best price" and just hope someone somewhere posted in a logical way that made it easy to find... grumble grumble grumble...

But you're right... So, better late than never...

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ANd why do I post images? because I *AM* an information designer and people SEE pictures -- you know, like that Michael Jackson sig file someone has and feels need to defend -- heh heh

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[Desire General] redrazr7791:
Ha...and I just sent you a PM about this matter. About my signature, it's all good :D
[Desire General] mroek:
Excuse my ignorance, but what good is a European Desire in the USA? Granted, it will work on GSM and WiFi, but not 3G as far as I know. And that would be a major disadvantage, I think.
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
Good question. To some people, 3G speed isn't a deal-breaker. Yes it is nice to have, but the area I live in just got 3G a couple of weeks ago. So, I have been running EDGE speeds on an iPhone for almost a year :o

Everything else works perfectly and when it is all said and done, the most important feature is being able to make calls, which an unlocked device can do.
[Desire General] quicksite:
That was NOT a double post, but never mind... (You used THIS post to explain VAT)

All I know is this: I just cancelled my other order and am going with Handtec... If I get ****'d over, you will make up the difference in price, heh heh!
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
Well then you read it and you now know the better deal. And as far as getting f****'d over on the pricing, just read over the PM I sent you and take it from there.
[Desire General] quicksite:
I just ordered 2 capacitive styluses (i will not say STYLI like some purist Latin speakers will)... from the alleged savings of $100... however, when speaking to live agent on chat, they could not, would not tell me what I am likely to pay in custioms charges. Can YOU tell me?

Is it a percentage of the cost of goods? If so, i am just trying to see if i come out ahead, still, or about the same after paying customs charges.... grrrr
[Desire General] mroek:
Thanks for explaining! Here in Norway 3G is pretty widespread and works almost everywhere, but apparently that's not the case in the USA.
[Desire General] quicksite:
Crazy-making live chat sessions

EXCERPTED, to have mercy on readers, cutting out twice the number of non-answers from Handtec Live Chat agent:
[Desire General] quicksite:
USA = backwards in many ways**. Isn't it interesting that it has taken just this past decade for the BIG SECRET to be revealed? Thanks to Bush destroying America thru policy, and Fox News destroying America by neuro-conditioning half our population to become retarded war-mongers who consistently vote against their own self interest out of sheer stupidity and manipulation, the Matrix has had a break, and the world has seen the big great USA for what it is -- a has-been.

And yes, I will be getting a Soviet-era-style knock on my door any moment now for bad propaganda... (This of course is why I love XDA -- a world community, free of 50% American retards.. There, I said it for you)

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**and by contrast Norway is a world leader in mobile tech. Isn't it true that all of you are richer than the Sultans of Saudi Arabia? ... okay, just kidding... But hats off to your country for maintaining its high degree of innovation. One day I will return.. All I got was 2 days in Oslo, but at least I saw the Vigeland sculpture garden :)
[Desire General] quicksite:
Behold ! Picture of the capacitive stylus / AND EDITORIAL ON VOICE RECOGNITION

FYI, Handtec is also selling these; though shipping is just as much as the stylus itself!

QUESTION: HAS ANYONE here ever used one of these styluses on your other Android devices? if so, how well does it work? I want it for Quick Notetaking, which I can do faster by hand than typing.

BTW: I'll say one thing which Windows Mobile never gets credit for: They've have very decent handwriting character recognition for about 5 years. I used it on my T-Mobile MDA (Windows Mobile 5) , then my T-Mobile Wing (Windows Mobile 6).

In addition, their Voice Commander was working just fine since 4-5 years ago, with voice tags you could record for each of your contacts... which then registered PERFECTLY when you spoke out "call Steve" ... It was smart & simple then, and it's still smart & simple now... YET it's all got to be 100% Speech Recognition now.

I would WAY prefer recording my own voice tags... Even with 200 contacts, even 500 contacts, it's 100% perfect, doesn't screw up, ever. Yet we're told these Android phones have to wait for Android 2.x to get voice features. That's just plain foolish, no, further, retarded. Why can't someone write a simple Voice Command app that does exactly what the original WM app did? That would provide 90% of the everyday Voice Recognition functionality people want most: "CALL so and so" ..

As for VOICE SEARCH: Okay, yes, I see its value, but if it's for Directory Listings only, it's far easier to use GOOGLE-411, call and get listings and keep your eye on the road, or elsewhere. (I'm told Google launched this service just as an R&D arm to advance their speech recognition capabilities; makes sense. A huge database of voices of callers input into the system.
[Desire General] EPA2046:
Out of curiosity, does Edge or 3G make a difference when making phone calls? I've made a couple of calls on Edge and then on 3G, and I don't know if I can tell the difference in quality...maybe it's just me. :confused:
[Desire General] mlalahoi:
The customs process is actually pretty easy. A guy from the fed ex warehouse wherever the phone entered the USA will call you and want to fax a form to you, go ahead and fill it out then send it back to him, then he'll release the phone. a week or two later you'll get a bill from Fed-Ex for the tax, it should be about $35. If you can't get the form back to him he won't send the phone, so if any of the above steps are going to snafu you (i.e. bringing that archaic bastard goddamn fax machine into the mix) then it's about $50 more to just get it from Expan$y$ and let them worry about all that crap.
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
About the whole FedEx bill thing. I just checked all my previous orders (yes I keep important information) and I found that I didn't have a balance ($0.00). They sent the statement, which was all the paperwork dealing with the shipment from the seller to buyer...which was about 8-9 pages long :confused:

Maybe if you buy in bulk or it is a large sized or heavy box then maybe you will have some sort of fee. For a small package weighing less then 1lb...would they actually charge a custom's fee?
[Desire General] quicksite:
No, 3G is data only, at least for T-mobile, but i suspect others as well. Cell calls are connected at 2G connections. This is what T-mobile level-3 tech support told me a while back.

Wikipedia handles all cell phone band questions really well. Throw anything related to any bands and frequencies and they have it all, perfectly organized, just as an fyi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G

The weird thing that I do not know the ins and outs of are the source of the USA's battle between Verizon and ATT (iPhone) re "can you place a call and use 3g data at same time?"

And now Sprint and their 4g system is revealing another factor hidden to consumers:

part 1:

HTC Evo announced. First 3G/4G Android Phone

however.... SPRINT EVO 4G WON’T DO SIMULTANEOUS VOICE-DATA

http://androidcommunity.com/sprint-evo-4g-wont-do-simultaneous-voice-data-20100329/
[Desire General] quicksite:
Thanks, Jackson, good job on the data management with the bills... seriously...

Okay, thanks much, so $35 is still ahead of the game -- and $0 even moreso. :) A lot better than that nerve-racking "I don't know; it depends" chat with Handtec.
[Desire General] RiceHog:
Why not wait til April 24

I am in the USA on AT&T. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe if you wait for Telstra to release the Desire, April 27, it will work in 3G band in the US. Why wouldn't you wait.
[Desire General] quicksite:
That would be a smart move for you, being on AT&T. For me, on T-Mobile USA, it does not provide me 3G. For T-Mobile USA, both 1700 and 2100 bands are required, one done not suffice. I think it's great you'll get to use it on 3G in USA.

(EDITORIAL) Separately, I've made a case above for why I don't need 3G period... It won't be long -- a few years or less -- before it's wifi-phones dominating and US cell carriers who've f'd over customers for so long will be eating the crumbs when it comes to their lucrative data plans. Wifi + google voice or skype. It's only a matter of time and protective legislation that props up telcos will fall, and thus AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, etc are squeezing every last dollar they can until that day comes and their business model shifts or dies. /(EDITORIAL)
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
I have discussed this here and at HoFo. After reading some articles about Telstra getting the Desire, I thought about canceling my order with Handtec. It wasn't until I saw the price that I said "NEVERMIND!"

The price of the unlocked model, would be between $700-800. This does not take into account the shipping and importation fees mad::(

Here...check out the articles yourself -

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/review/mobile_phones/htc/desire/337105/buy/accessories#cb

http://apcmag.com/telstra-to-launch-htc-desire-on-april-27-from-60month-780-outright.htm

Now if a Canadian carrier picked up the Desire, then it wouldn't cost so much. People in the U.S. were able to import the HTC Hero from Canada for about $500-600 which is reasonable. $800+ is pushing it...even for me.
[Desire General] DenaEden:
Accessory Geeks

Some absolutely absorbing credibility you accept written.Assisted me a lot.
[Desire General] rete:
Congratulations! You have one post and you wasted it replying to a 3 year old thread. Genious you must be, very genious.
[Desire General] dvsk69:
LOL that was my first reaction as well.

Sent from my HTC Desire
[HD2 General] Reignzone:
I'm wondering if various included applications such as the Bing widget, Blockbuster Mobile, B&N eReader, the Gameloft game demos, and so on... could be removed? SAFELY, of course. :rolleyes:

They just create what seems to be (and probably is) unnecessary system bulk. Not to mention, those game demos are completely hideous, and they obscure the potentially "uncluttered" Start Menu applications tray that could be had. ;)

Could someone perhaps offer a bit of insight, maybe even enlighten me a little bit on this topic? Thanks.
[HD2 General] bobsbbq:
They can be removed in a cooked ROM, not sure if it is safe for a user to try and remove the files though. Remove one of the wrong files and you have a problem. Most of my ROMS I remove all of this stuff for the same reasons you mentioned.
[HD2 General] skylinepigeon:
i just did. everything's fine, except I accidentally deleted opera too, but thats easy to be cabbed back.
[HD2 General] Reignzone:
Thanks for shedding some light on this topic fellas. Great feedback. But yeah, I kind of figured that the icons could be removed from the Start Menu tray, the program files could be deleted, (with a system warning - of course) and it seems that even after that things SHOULD BE just fine.

From what I understand though... T-Mobile has made sure that some of these third-party apps cannot be deleted. For instance, I'd like to know if TeleNav and MobiTV can be rid of as well. Seriously, once freeing OUR version of the HTC HD2 of all this corporate junk and clutter from T-Mobile partnerships... it'll be very, very quick. (As if it's NOT already...) :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] jlavoie:
there is nothing T-Mobile has put into this rom that can not be removed when cooking. it is just a pain to find where they have implemented all the crap, some times is in more then one place the same change.
[HD2 General] efjay:
Shortcuts will be under \Windows\Start menu\Programs, related program files will be under \Program Files, shouldnt cause any issues deleting them.
[HD2 General] Reignzone:
Very true. However, would you suggest that the average Windows Mobile user attempt to dump, remove various things, then throw it all together, OR... simply use Resco File Explorer to remove the unwanted programs, system files, etc.?

I used to develop for Android, but this stuff is an entirely different ball game to me. So, I'm trying to learn the YES and NO basics here. Thanks.
[HD2 General] jlavoie:
cooking is the best way to remove things you do not want. a user can delete all the crap they want but this will not give them more storage (files cook in can not be deleted just hidden) but rater just hide things they do not want to see. just remember that if you delete a program, make sure nothing else uses it.
[HD2 General] Reignzone:
Alright, thanks guys. Always appreciated for a bit of feedback.

THIS THREAD CAN BE CLOSED NOW... unless other T-Mobile USA HD2 users find this in any way, shape, or form helpful to continue. Thanks again.
[HD2 General] Nightrod1:
They can be reomoved but the registry has to be edited to remove some of the keys.Do one at a time and make sure the phone works ok for a few days before going on to the next.
[HD2 General] wingtytn:
you can do it but i wouldnt reconmmend it unless u know what ur doin but will say the each program is spidered in to the device the best sure way is to upgrade to a cooked rom but i must say but..............

WARNING U CAN CHANGE UR ROM BUT DOING SO WILL VOID UR WARRENTY WITH TMOBILE AND CAN AND WILL SPEND ANYWHERE FROM 50 TO 100 US CURENCY DOLLARS ON HAVING HTC DOWNGRADE UR DEVICE BACK TO ITS SHIPPED STATE BUT YES IT CAN BE DONE AND THERE OFFICE IS EITHER TEXAS OR CALIFORNIA I FORGET AND CAN TAKE UPTO 2WEEKS BUT I WILL SAY IT WORTH THE RISK JUST READ BEFORE U MOD........
[HD2 General] Thegovernor:
ive deleted everything but telenav and mobitv, and no issues
[HD2 General] cr2069:
Even though these programs don't show up in the Remove applications, they are able to be removed manually to release the storage--if you know where the files are located. (icons and shortcuts are easily removed).

However, whenever you do a hardware reset, they will come back, since they are part of the ROM which they could not be removed there.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] Double-UA:
Got it, thank you!!
[Touch 3G General] maricate:
HI guys!

I bought a Jade Clone (T3232+) but i have a strange problem.

When I turn it on without the sim card, the screen (the touch, no the visor) works.

But if i put the sim card and try navigate or do something, parts of touch screen doesn work.

I have to touch quickly in the righ top corner and click on the part tha i want.

If i dont click in the rogh top corner (only that work) all the screen doesnt work.

Someone can help me?

Sory my english ;)