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[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I recently sold my HD2 and got myself imported Nexus One.

When I sold my HD2, I was afraid I would regret it. I am what you call a poweruser, or even more than that. Thus, I always though only Windows Mobile could satisfy my needs.

I was so wrong. When I received my Nexus One, it turned out to be the best decision I've ver made.

Android is what all you guys ever wanted Windows Mobile to be.

Have you always wished Windows Mobile would receive a nicer UI and more reliability, but preserve all of it's power?

Are you disappointed by Windows Phone 7 now?

Don't hesitate, get yourself an Android. The only thing I regret is that I've not done this much earlier...
[Windows Phone 7 General] dlci:
Well, I don't want to start a flame, but I don't like apple's approach "if it doesn't work, then It's not needed and bad".

I wonder how could a WM user possibly be happy with a "smartphone", that cannot play videos, cannot sync with any office calendar and on top doesn't handle properly wlan connections.. Even Symbian is years ahead of it by any means. Unfortunately.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I don't quite understand what you're talking about. The iPhone? Or Android?

If you're talking about the iPhone, then yes, Apple's approach is crap.

If you're talking about Android, then rest assured, Google is not taking Apple's approach. I can play all sorts of videos and sync with my Exchange calendar on my Nexus One. ;)

Don't know what you mean by "handle WLan connections", but they work just fine.

I think there's not a single feature on Windows Mobile that I haven't used. So far, I've not found anything that Android lacks compared to Windows Mobile. It really is "Windows Mobile done right".
[Windows Phone 7 General] dlci:
I was talking about android, which is quite similar to apple's model btw. I seriously doubt that rooting/hacking/paying is comparable with the WM/Symbian features, that come out of the box ;)

(wlans: Hidden SSID)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
No, Android is completely open. They're not going the Apple way.

Some phone makers, like HTC, restrict root access. That's not Google's fault, that's up to the phone makers.

Plus, rooting is not necessary to do most things. On the iPhone, jailbreaking is necessary to gain basic functionality. Thus, you can't compare rooting to jailbreaking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
The biggest reason I can't go from WM6.5 to Android is that I need to synchronize the following with my desktop PC;

Outlook stuff:

Tasks

Notes

Calendar

Email

Contacts

Files:

Word Files

Excel Files

Ms Money Files

Encrypted Password Files

Now, as far as I am aware, Android doesn't do that.

I do not wish to sync with "the cloud", I want my sensitive info on my own PC's RAID array, backed up every night and safe and snug in my own trusty mitts.

Until Android can do that, it's a non-contender.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
That depends on how you want to do it.

Tasks: If you have an Exchange account, you can install a tasks applications that syncs with Exchange.

Notes: The same.

Calendar and Contacts sync with Exchange, or with the desktop software HTC Sync.

Word files and Excel files: You simply copy them via USB, just like you do on Windows Mobile.

Password files? I have no idea what you want to do with them, but maybe KeePass is your solution.

MS Money? No idea. Maybe Personal Assistant can replace it for you.

And sometimes, one should think about letting go of old habits. If you're still synchronizing your PIM data via old school USB, maybe, not necessarily, but maybe, you will disover that an alternative, cloud-syncing solution is a lot more convenient.

Thus, maybe, not necessarily, but maybe, you don't even want those features? At least, you might discover that you don't want them anymore, after you've tried alternatives.

Sometimes it's worth a try. Of course, you will have to leave some things behind, but there's a good chance that what you gain is worth a lot more than what you lose!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I'll be getting a WP7 device soon as it comes out. I think syncing over wifi overnight is a great feature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
You could as well get an iPhone. :D

WiFi syncing might be announced later today, with iPhone OS 4.0.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Well there's a few reasons I will probably never get an iPhone.

1. I always use a hardware keyboard and iPhone will never have one.

2. I think the UI is to simple to entertain me.

3. iTunes is a virus.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Nope, I do not have an exchange account or use exchange. I do, however, us Tasks extensively. It is the one thing I use more than anything else on my phone, actually. Notes are also important. So, I have no way of synchronizing either with my PC, in Android.

If I were to go for android, it would be a keyboarded phone such as a Motorola Droid. HTC Sync isn't going to be an option, therefore.

Nope. On WM I SYNCHRONIZE Word and Excel files, because I often edit them on the PC and/or on the phone. I need them to synchronize. Copying them over isn't going to cut it.

Yes I use KeePass on WM. I synchronize the password file between the phone and the PC, again because I make changes on both the phone and on the PC. I need SYNCH, not COPY.

No idea what "Personal Assistant" is, but if it's a fully featured financial management app that synchs to the PC, then I could switch to it.

No I use bluetooth.

What I need is full synchronization of all my files between the desktop and the phone. If I synch with "the cloud" I get no backup. If I accidentally delete stuff, that deletion would get propagated to the cloud and across all my other devices, instantly removing it and rendering it impossible to retrieve. By synching with my own PC, which gets backed up every night, I have backups going back a couple of months from which I can retrieve anything I inadvertently delete or modify. I am in control. With the cloud, you make one little mistake and it's POOF! Your data is gone. Forever. The cloud is no substitute for a backup. I want all my data on my phone AND on my PC where I can access it via a decent local application (Outlook, Excel, Word, KeePass, Ms Money etc), and I want it backed up, and I want it shielded from the Internet.

I stand to lose all my data. My data is part of the business I run. I cannot afford to lose it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Stick with WM 6.x then. Pretty sure WP7 will beable to sync all of those things though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Can you tell me how you synchronize those files on WM?!

Yes, and also, you can forget to sync, hard reset your phone, and lose all the stuff you've done since the last synchronization.

Stay with WM if you can't change your habits, but sometimes it's worth trying something new - even if you have to give up old habits. Because you might discover there are alternatives that work better.

At least for me, it was well worth it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
I'm planning on staying with WM6.5 until I can evaluate WP7. I suspect WP7 will use the Zune software on the PC to synch multimedia, and will rely on MyPhone to backup PIM data, which wouldn't be of any use.

Hopefully, Outlook synch (and indeed synch for third party app files) will happen though. MS have already indicated WP7 can synch over Wi-Fi when it detects your home WiFi network is present, which is nice, so I hold out hope for a proper, full synch solution.

Doesn't anyone else feel the need to have a backup of their data? Is it just me?

A synchronized copy, such as MyPhone, is NOT a backup because mistakes and deletions get synched to it immediately - a mistake made on the phone becomes that same mistake on MyPhone and you cannot retrieve an original data item and restore it. That's why we need separate backups and at the moment, using your PC is the only way to do that. Plus, Myphone has an awful UI that is no substitute for a desktop app like Outlook.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
I do sync with the cloud and backup to the SD card.

That works much better than syncing manually.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Sure. I put the files into the "My Documents on Jim's Phone" folder on my PC, and then when I synch, they get copied to the phone, and from then on, whichever is the newest copy gets synched to the other device. What, have you never used this facility before?????

I can honestly say, hand on heart, I have never forgotten to synch and then hard reset my phone.

Can you please tell me how you back up all your data on your Android phone? How do you deal with a contact you deleted or modified by mistake? How do you retrieve it? What would you do if the synch went squiffy and mushed up your data on your phone and your cloud service?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I use myphone currently and I do agree the the UI on the website is pretty bad and I don't use it unless I need to restore some date. I'd rather sync to the computer honestly but I don't want to have to plug my phone into USB to do so. I hope the wifi sync has some good options. I'm pretty sure they are going to have to do something different with the ZUNE software because how is that supposed to sync contacts, documents, etc? I only think it's set up now for music, movies, and pictures. There's alot more to it then that on a phone. I think they will update the software and add more features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
And your SD card backup allows you to selectively restore individual tasks, notes, contacts etc when you've messed them up?

And the backing up happens automatically every day?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
You can synch over bluetooth, you don't need to use USB.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
No, I've used Live Mesh. ;)

Works much better. You get similar services on Android, of course.

Your luck. Maybe WM is right for you, then^^

Messages, settings and other stuff get backed up by HTC's software on the SD card.

All my Outlook (Exchange) stuff is backed up on my PC.

The C:\Users\...\Outlook.pst file gets backed up automatically, so that I have to do nothing. In case I accidentally mess something up, I can restore a copy of that file.

Of course that's only one possibility out of many, but it's certainly much more convenient than synchronizing manually. And much more secure also.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Tasks, notes, contacts, mail etc. get backed up automatically on the PC every day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
What are these services for Android that allow me to synchronize Office documents with my PC?

Automatically? Or do you have to do that manually?

I don't use Exchange so that wouldn't work for me, sadly.

How is it more secure?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Ah but you're using Exchange. Incidentally, does Exchange support both Tasks and Notes?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Dropbox would come to my mind, there.

You can use GMail. Gives you free Push Mail for your phone and PC and you can back it up the same way I think.

Automatically.

Because you can't forget to synchronize. Everything is done automatically, every day (or even every hour, if you want).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Got a link so I can investigate that further?

I did actually try using that, but IIRC it only synched email, contacts and calendar. It didn't support tasks (my most important app) or notes.

That doesn't make it more secure, but it might make it safer.

Don't get me wrong here, I'd love Android to be able to do everything I need, but as a non-exchange user I'm not seeing a solution that's going to give me synched data between my PC and my phone. I've researched synching of tasks and thus far all I've come across is apps that rely on their developers' own web service which don't synch with Outlook, or "Remember the Milk" which does synch but requires a separate synch tool on the PC. It's all a bit piecemeal and not as elegant as my current WM solution.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
dropbox.com I think.

Don't know about notes, but there is Google tasks. Haven't tried it, though.

You're right. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Cool, will have a gander.

Don't know about notes, but there is Google tasks. Haven't tried it, though.

Google tasks doesn't support start dates within tasks, and as such is kinda useless. Most of my tasks have a start date, for instance getting next year's tax disk sorted for my car. I don't want that in my list now, I need it hidden until a couple of weeks before the current tax disk expires. Not only that, tasks are not present in gmail's exchange synch, or at least weren't when I last looked. But either way, non-support for start dates is the deal-breaker.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, I see you're trying. :D

You'll certainly find the right platform for you (maybe WM until one of the others can do what you need). Unfortunately nothing is perfect. :(

I'm very happy with Android, sure I had to leave some things behind, but it was worth it. That doesn't mean that it's the right choice for everyone, though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Regarding dropbox.com, looks like they don't have clients for Android or WM, just for iPhone. Unless I'm missing something???
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Right. I thought it was already available.

http://techcrunch.com/2010/03/22/dropbox-android-app/
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Well this is the frustrating thing, you see. WM6.5 does EVERYTHING I want, functionally, it's just that all the bugs, hangs and resets get on my tits. That and Microsoft have discontinued it!

So sooner or later I'm going to have to choose between WP7, Android and iPhone. I'd rather avoid iPhone, so am looking into Android while I await WP7. Android can do some of the stuff I need but not all of it, so I'm just sitting back and waiting to see what WP7 will or won't be able to do.

It'd be a shame to go for Android now, with a lot of "make do", and then find out in October that WP7 does actually do all the synching I wanted!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Exactly.

I wish they would've developed WM further. That would've made my decision easy. :D

Sure, but is syncing everything you need? I'm sure lots of stuff will not be possible on WP7 from the beginning. After all, it's not compatible with any of your WM apps (e.g. MS Money ;)) and there are lots of restrictions, like on the iPhone.

I decided WP7 is not worth waiting for. Switched to Android and don't regret it. Of course, it's up to you whether you think WP7 is worth waiting for or not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I'll be holding on to my Touch Pro2 until WP7 comes out. I'll decide then where to go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
Ah well. Nowt to do until the end of the year *shrug*. Dropbox looks interesting, but it seems a tad complex to have to install a client on the phone, a client on the PC, and use an internet service, when currently I can synch my phone's files with my PC *out of the box*. Looks like a step backwards! Ah well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Don't forget iPhone 4 :D

Announcement is today, 2 hours to go...

(no, I do not consider switching to the iPhone... I'm more than happy with my Android, but maybe iPhone 4 is for you ;))
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jim Coleman:
We shall see, 6 months isn't all that long to wait, to be honest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
That's true. I had my HD2 for 5 months... doesn't seem like it was a long time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Like said before iPhone is most likely not for me. Not unless they make so drastic changed. There isn't a hardware keyboard which is what I want. The UI is way to simple there's nothing there to scroll around through, you have a program launcher and apps and the resolution on the device just looks bad. Of course the last part may change, I heard they were making the next one 960x640 or something like that, but I doubt the other two will.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
They have still a long way to go.

Multitasking, file system access, a better homescreen, better notifications on the software side.

A better screen, better camera, better design, more RAM and faster processor on the hardware side.

I'm sure tey will fix some of these, but not all. Until ALL of them are fixed, the Nexus One is to be preferred. :D

(and by the time Apple has fixed those issues, there will already be much better handsets from HTC & Co.)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
So if WP7 were to have Multitasking and FS access you'd consider it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Not until there is copy&paste and equivalents for every app that I have on my phone now.

(especially navigation, I'm afraid it will take a long time until there is the first satnav app)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
As far as copy and paste goes Microsoft has seen how pissed we are about leaving that feature out and they are working on implementing it now. Equivalents for all your apps is probably going to take awhile. I don't think navigation will be to far in the future but the problem with it is it probably won't keep navigating in the background unless microsoft partners with the app builder to get native access. I don't use turn by turn very often If I'm looking for a place google maps usually covers what I need to know.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sethos II:
Well, it looks like at least another year. That's enough time to enjoy my Nexus... err... Desire :D

(the Nexus is going to my brother, I'll get the Desire for myself)
[Windows Phone 7 General] OnlinePredator:
Android can connect to Hidden SSID wlans from factory, get your facts straight mate. Symbian and Wm is not user friendly, android and iphone are.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] digitaljeff:
EDIT NVM please delete mod
[HD2 General] elite12:
I think i've bricked my phone it gets stuck on the htc screen.

I flashed HSPL 1.42 on my device with HSPL2 then i flashed the recommended radio (2.7) then flashed the CleanEx rom 1.20.

Then a new version was posted (1.54) which i wanted to try so i flashed the recommended radio first (2.9).

When that was done the phone now hangs on the htc screen :(

hard reset and soft reset dont work either.

Thanks.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Just reflash one of your previous working ROMs and the matching radio from the bootloader screen (vol down key on boot).
[HD2 General] elite12:
So i just need put those two files on my sd card then hold volume down got it , do i have to rename them or anything?

Thank you.
[HD2 General] amarko5:
you can do it over activesync it don't need to be off the SD card
[HD2 General] elite12:
Thank you both SO much many thanks for helping me out this late.

I nearly cried when it didnt boot.

cheers
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] protomanez:
Title says it all.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilkorn:
They are part of the apk.
[HD2 General] SkitzoDelic:
Hi Guys, i have a big problem.

Everytime i go on the music tab in Sense it keeps restarting Sense.

I removed all the music on my SD Card (didnt worked)

I removed the SD Card itself (didnt worked)

I updated the library in Media Player (didnt worked)

is there any way to fix this, or just a way to reinstall Sense.

Im just flipping out. :mad:

HTC HD2, Vodafone.

Please help me out !
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
did you perform a soft reset after removing all the things you mentioned?
[HD2 General] SkitzoDelic:
O yeah, even that didn't worked.

But This Thread can be Closed.

I got it Solved.

Originally Posted by appelflap.

Try to delete the music-library file: Application Data/HTC/AudioManager_Eng/AudioManager_Eng.vol (the file is hidden) The next time you hit the music tab, this file is rebuild again.

Maybe this will solve it.
[Liquid S100 Android Development] harry_m:
Hi!

I'm one of the authors of "Wireless Tether for Root Users".

We are currently trying to add support for the liquid. The problem is that we don't have such a device available for testing!

That's why we probably need

YOU

! ;)

I've created an issue-report on our google-code page:

http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/issues/detail?id=289

There you can find (hopefully helpful) information and download-links to test-applications. Please add your comments (regarding problems or other stuff) there. I will ask questions - please try to answer these as good/fast as you can (this helps to get it done).

Ah ... one more thing: Wirelesss Tether needs a custom kernel (netfilter-support!) - please see our faq (http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/wiki/FAQ).

Thanks for your help.

Harry
[Liquid S100 Android Development] pongothemagnificent:
Im up for it let me know what tests need to be done etc.
[Liquid S100 Android Development] knk1990:
im willing to test also.

as for the kernel module required for wireless networking to work correctly....we aren't able to compile the module for some reason. iirc the liquid was using some non-standard module for one portion of the networking, was so long ago can't remember exactly. Disc0 was the one who wrote about it, i'll see if ican find it.

I was personally thinking about this the other day, is it possible to run both a wifi and hsdpa connection and bridge them? if we could then it'd be as simple as an ad-hoc network and a proxy solution
[Liquid S100 Android Development] knk1990:
http://android.modaco.com/content-page/302370/disco-custom-kernel-v-b01/page/220/#entry1188059

built fine but fc on every apk as disc0 said. Don't think he released his modified kernel source either
[Android Software Development] Transmition:
I would really like to see RTorrent and Elinks ported to android. However, I believe that they cannot be due to a different version of C. Busybox on the other hand, was ported.

Does anyone know if it would be possible to port elinks and rtorrent, and if so, whom to ask to do so?
[Android Software Development] Transmition:
I am bumping this for further information.
[Android Software Development] gubacsek:
I'd love to have rtorrent on android. Any news on this topic?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] gigaboss:
I have noticed something a long time ago, and I thought that people would see it too but it doesn't seem so...

Since the first WM 6.5 ROM I flashed (it was Blackstone) I could see that cleanRAM wasn't compatible. Indeed, when I'd use it, on level 1 and 2 it wouldn't free any RAM (or 1MB maximum) and on level 3 it would close Manila and then tell you that it freed 12MB but it didn't because when Manila restarts, it's the same as before you launched cleanRAM. Now on Leo, it's pretty much the same except that on level 3, it doesn't close Manila, but save 3-4MB which is nothing compared to how efficient it was on WM 6.1.

There are two possibilities. Either cleanRAM isn't compatible with 6.5 so it doesn't do its job properly, either it's compatible but 6.5 memory management is so much better that it's not needed anymore.

So, in my opinion, cleanRAM became useless (in WM6.5 ROMs) and cooker should stop cooking it in. But I want to know, am I the only one who noticed that? Maybe I'm wrong but I'm very curious to have your opinion about it...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Zentury:
My phone is on WM 6.5 and not on any cooked ROM.

Been using cleanRAM from v1.9x to current v2.00. Never had a problem performing a clean with level 1 & 2. Have not try level 3/4 as I don't see a need yet.

________________________________________________

Phone : HTC HD2 (T8585)

Manila : 2.5.19211619.0 / HTC Sense 2.5

ROM : 1.66.707.1 WWE

Radio : 2.06.51.07

* Today is yesterday's tomorrow. Today is also tomorrow's yesterday.

Then is the present the past's future or the present is the future's past. *
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] gigaboss:
When i perform a level 2 cleaning, I always get "no change" or 0.2 MB freed...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Zentury:
I seem recovery of 2 Mb, 4 Mb and once 11 Mb using level 2 cleaning. Before executing cleanRAM, I first close the non-active processes via Task Manager. Maybe it is not the right way but it has worked for me.

Anyhow, cleanRAM v2.1 is out now. Maybe it improves your usability experience with the cooked ROM you have.:)