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[Desire Android Development] SGTDavePwnage:
The one linked to in my post does indeed appear to be newer, ive noticed a virgin media icon which was easily removed. It seems that although it is listed as a stock ROM its not a fully stock htc ROM after all.

All T-mobile branding is gone obviously.

I just used an old Goldcard that was created for either my Hero or Dream
[Desire Android Development] SGTDavePwnage:
Sorry My bad, I was meaning all the logos and changed icons and all the changes within senseUI.
[Desire Android Development] thedalmeny:
Hardly anything T-Mobile on it... Not sure what the benefit of flashing is tbh...

I won't be flashing the ROM, not until there is a clear benefit to actually doing it..
[Desire Android Development] Jabbypants:
I still don't think there is any T-mobile stuff on it, if it was branded with there crap it would come in a T-Mobile box, as far as i can see its the Desire that i have seen on the net.

The changes in sense is down to htc same with everything else, all these phones are is sim locked imo.
[Desire Android Development] brummiesteven:
These are the 2 differences I've noticed so far:

T-Mobile Bootup Animation

Browser icon has WNW over it (web n walk)
[Desire Android Development] thedalmeny:
Yerp - and a new ROM won't remove the T-Mobile boot up screen..

So i think anyone flashing a new ROM is slightly insane - just to remove a w'n'w icon... As it really is very very small.

Nowt else on there T-Mobile wise
[Desire Android Development] SGTDavePwnage:
Errr. Yes it will remove everything t-mobile as its a full ROM.

Everything changes to HTC's logos
[Desire Android Development] thedalmeny:
It shouldn't do mate...

I flashed god knows how many ROMs on my HTC Magic - never once did it remove the Vodafone boot logo...
[Desire Android Development] Jabbypants:
Just seems a lot of hassle just to get htc logos on to me, all that risk for something minor.
[Desire Android Development] setspeed:
Will it? I've flashed dozens of ROMs onto my G1, and I still have the original T-Mobile splash screen every time it boots.
[Desire Android Development] brummiesteven:
I think he may be right. Look at the way the desire boot...

[HTC]

[T-Mobile Logo]

Looks like "HTC" is the unremovable splash screen and T-Mobile is the bootload image (like the ANDROID on cyanogen G1).
[Desire Android Development] SGTDavePwnage:
Yes, if you flash a FULL rom it flashes everything. The radio, boot logos the lot.

Im not going to be flashing it every day, just the once to get rid of all the logos.

If you dont want to flash it then DONT. At least if people know that they have the option they can decide for themselves.

As for the people moaning about the risk, that's your choice...but I bet your going to flash a similar update in the near future

PS..I find it interesting that ppl are happy to moan at someone who was willing to try installing a new rom that could have included new things, yet most likely wouldn't have attempted the experement themselves
[Desire Android Development] nintendolinky:
Apart from mentioned did the update change any other icons, or just the web browser and boot logo.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] mic_888:
App bar icons released for WP7 - contains a set of 64 app bar icons that you can use when developing applications for Windows Phone.

http://windowsteamblog.com/blogs/wpdev/archive/2010/03/27/windows-phone-7-series-icon-pack.aspx?
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] Pumpiron579:
I was just going to post that.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] ramdroid77:
nice Windows 3.0 flashback.... I mean if there would be any colors.
[Windows Phone 7 Software Development] DMAND:
I prefer the minimalistic look, never been a fan of some of the wackier custom icons you may find.

Nice to see that they are aiming for a more consistent look
[Nexus One General] legend1222:
First, I did search before hand, but searching for AT&T returns nothing. I'm guessing it has to do with the "&" symbol. Anyway....

I just gave up waiting for Verizon and picked up the AT&T version of the Nexus One.

I'm one of those people that managed to brick his HTC Magic when trying to switch back and forth between radios, so I guess I'm a little bit leery now.

What I'd like to know is if anyone has determined if the ROMs posted here (mainly Cyanogens ;) ) are compatible with the AT&T Nexus One. I realise that they are just different GSM frequencies, but I just want to confirm that I won't be creating another $600 brick.

I'd also like to confirm that I don't need to switch radios, since thats where I got burned last time, and I'm guessing that most, if not all the radios available, would brick my phone.
[Nexus One General] strongergodzilla:
There have been a lot of posts about cyanogenmod working without and problems on the ATT Nexus. There are no special procedures to take, just follow the cyanogen wiki here and you will be rooted and running CM in no time

http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/index.php/Full_Update_Guide_-_Nexus_One_Firmware_to_CyanogenMod

You will NOT have to upgrade or change your radio, so don't worry about that. You will need to unlock the boot loader (which WILL void your warranty), but its literally a one line command, zero chance of bricking there.

From there you will install the AmonRA recovery, and then flash your phone with the current cyanogen. low low low chance of bricking as long as you follow the guide, and are aware of what you are doing.

Good luck! :)
[Nexus One General] sknoslo:
Next time make sure you post in the correct place. Q&A.

Check the CyanogenMOD thread. He has a link to his wiki with a FAQ page that will answer your question. Also read his instructions to install his ROM and you'll be fine. Just be careful when flashing radio's.
[Nexus One General] bsinc1962:
I'm on ATT and I run enomthers rom

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=614427

It will run on the as shipped radio and runs very good (stable)
[Nexus One General] jollins:
I switched from the T-mobile nexus to the AT&T nexus. Both behave exactly the same when it comes to unlocking, custom roms, themes, etc.

The only difference is that the ATT version doesn't have a bunch of radio updates floating around (the default radio is fine).
[Nexus One General] legend1222:
Thanks to all

Thanks to all who commented. Its nice to get an answer so quickly.

As for posting in the right forum, this is an argument that has been had on other forums before (not by me) so I won't rehash any more then this:

By many (and thats enough to cause confusion), General is seen as general discussion, Q&A is seen as general questions, Accessories is clear, themes and apps is clear, development is seen for modding. Its where ROMs are discussed and distributed. I had a question about modding my phone. I posted in the most logical place.

None the less, thank you again for constructively "correcting" me.
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[Desire General] zonkkk:
I have charged it in the morning until it was full, and started playing with it.

It was on for 9 hours until the battery was completely dead.

I used it since 11:30 until 3:30pm, then I left it on standby for a 2 hours (battery was at 14%). I came back used it for another 2 hours, and it went dead.

Everything was on except for bluetooth and GPS.

Android Operating system used 83% of the battery and all the other application were under 5%.

I did quite a bit of browsing, photos, movies, youtube, downloaded some apps, etc...

What do you all think about the battery performance?

At the moment it is charging and I will leave it plugged in until the morning. It is also turned off.

What are your experiences? Opinions?
[Desire General] gogol:
9 hours only? That's not good ... But probably you have quite some widgets that actively sync etc. etc.
[Desire General] cez10:
i wouldnt worry to much as you probably just received it and you must have played with it for a while, and also try turning off the auto update of facebook, email etc etc :)
[Desire General] irkan:
thats kindda dispointing, ... even with updating i expected it to last at least one full day, I mean when they put many widgets they should take into consideration the battery life ... hope its cuz the battery is new, and needs some few charges to feel maximum capability
[Desire General] zonkkk:
As I said, I did have everything on apart from GPS and Bluetooth. (including updates).

And yes I did use it for 6 full hours (medium screen brightness).

Downloaded apps, watched videoclips, played some flash games, wrote e-mails, wrote texts, browsed the internet, etc... funnily enough I EVEN made 1 (one) phone call!

I wouldn't worry about it though. ALL my phones only lasted for about 8-10 hours the first day when I got them.
[Desire General] nerdo:
Doesn't new Lithium-ion battery needs a couple of charging cycles before

reaching optimal capacity!?
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
Would be nice if someone could update us in this thread about the battery life when you've had it a few days and it's being abused less :P
[Desire General] blue_sim:
found @ tracy and Matts Blog

Could It be possible, that t-Mobile did not ship the Desire with the latest firmware?
[Desire General] jurc:
I believe you are totally right.

Let's wait ~7th April and then we will see true battery life...
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
I'm fairly sure that 9 hours of constant use is pretty damn good for any device. If I use my Touch HD for browsing the net/listening to music/ syncing etc it will die in far less than that.

Remember that it is a miracle that the iPad lasts for 10 hours of constant use, and thats got a massive battery in it!

So yea get used to it! At least while you are playing with it being a new toy and all.
[Desire General] irkan:
dont forget that the iPad has 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED display, so that shouldnt be a reason, and dont forget that the Desire's display is AMOLED which should be a battery life saver.

For the OP, if you could try using it the same (constantly) but disable the live wallpaper
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
LED & AMOLED = Same thing.
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Agree with the AMOLED, but it's running a 1ghz processor along with the already perceived power hungry android.... Gotta admit that if you expect it to last more than a few hours of playing with, will be sorely dissapointed.

Compared to my HD which had a 528mhz processor but lcd screen, which lasted less than 10 hours when playing with non stop.
[Desire General] geccco:
It's not the same thing. "LED" is a backlit LCD-display, AMOLED is an active matrix OLED-display, completely different technologies.

TFT-LCD's use a backlight, OLED's has active pixels that light up per pixel and does not need an extra backlight.
[Desire General] darcy67:
The battery life is really poor.

I went to bed last night with it fully charged and this morning it was completely dead. Albeit I left meebo running in the background along with lookout and advanced task killer.

Nothing was set to update as I've deleted the friend stream and rss feed.

I'm pretty sure this phone should last a lot longer than 9 hours on standby. :(
[Desire General] geccco:
If you have read the whole thread, you'll see that there might be an issue with the pre-released models. Unlocked/retail phones coming out next month with latest software will probably not have this issue.
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
I think someone should actually test turning everything off except gsm. No data connections, no updating of anything. No GPS, bluetooth, sync, no applications running. See how much it goes down overnight with everything off.
[Desire General] geccco:
That could maybe be a good idea, just to see how much it goes down. But if you can't use the phone at all, I just can't see the point of having t his phone. It's made to be used and you are supposed to be connected at all times, so if HTC has made this phone with so bad battery performance, that just basically sucks.

On the other hand, it seems that the final ROM from HTC was just confirmed at Google this friday, so im guessing these early phones out there does not have the final ROM.

hxxp://xxx.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/
[Desire General] irkan:
My Nokia E75, i run wifi all day, with push mail, and Zozoc (WiFi/GPRS Messaging client) and i can easily go through one whole day (and few hours). the screen is TFT, non-touch, and small.

I know that we cant compare cuz they are entirely different, but the point is, the battery life should not be (and i hope it is not) that bad, even when running apps in the background. one day (or few hours below that) should be decent.

The OS in the T-Mobile versions have already been approved by google, so its not a pre-release.

and i agree, someone should try to stop live wallpaper and updates (just use it as simple phone, calls, messages and a little bit of WiFi) and see how much that goes
[Desire General] irkan:
I quote the following from the first detailed review from techradar

this seems good, this is decent! i dont use 3G much, i would probably update the friends stream on demand, and with a little bit above average use, i should get 1.5-2 days without problems (based on the review)

No I want some people who already have the desire to try this and come back with the result :D
[Desire General] XDA mark:
People, don't worry!!

Like the OP said, 9 houres with MASSIVE USE is VERY GOOD. My HD2 will go from 100% to 60% in about 2 houres if I stream YouTube the whole time. THIS IS NORMAL.

My tips (worked for HD2, so probably will work for Desire...)

- Turn off auto-sync, in EVERYTHING. If you need something, you update it. Don't be lazy.

- Brightness at something you thing is nice (auto-brightness is best), but don't leave it at 100%!! That's REALLY a battery pwner.

- Further, off course in the beginning you will be using the device A LOT. But remember, once you start using it in a normal way, this will make a VERY big diverence. You will check the phone if you have any notifications, update something (mail, weather), and put it back in standby. Then you have 30 minutes free, you browse the net a little, stream a YouTube movie.

In this way I am sure it will last at least a day, like the HD2 did!

BTW, as other people are posting, some devices may have older software that drains the battery. Contact HTC or T-Mobile or something!
[Desire General] leoni1980:
My experience is that the battery life is superb. I went out on a night out and with my HD2 I could expect to have maybe 40 percent battery upon my return home; despite showing everyone my new toy and streaming some YouTube I came back with an almost full battery. I used to carry a spare battery for the HD2.
[Desire General] salahag:
Wow ... But on the Hero I've noticed that if you have a full charge, the battery indicator stays on full for a very long time, but decreases faster and faster along the way.
[Desire General] leoni1980:
I'm not sure about that...but I haven't charged it all night and I fell asleep with Ebuddy running. my HD2 would have been long dead by now.
[Desire General] vegetaleb:
I wonder which is better now in terms of battery N1 or Desire??
[Desire General] leoni1980:
Do they have the same battery?
[Desire General] irkan:
That is a very good thing to hear! so with average use, you can get away with 1.5 day am i right?

and yes nexus one and Desire have the same battery (Standard battery, Li-Ion 1400 mAh)
[Desire General] leoni1980:
I hear the Heros battery life is very good so maybe HTC tweak things a bit better than Google.
[Desire General] gogol:
When I got my HTC Desire, I will change the Sense UI wallpaper to just black ... pure black.

And see if it helps to increase the battery life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_LED

Just to prove the theory :) But probably I like it, black background ... simple.
[Desire General] irkan:
haha good thinking, ... I will probably not do that in the first week or so, .. i have many friends and family to impress in the first period :D

than I might put the black wallpaper to save battery just like you said Lol
[Desire General] zonkkk:
I left it on overnight with no updates on and this morning I didn't notice any change in the battery icon. So it hardly uses any power in standby.
[Desire General] cez10:
which means the battery isnt that bad after all ;)

as long as its not an animated or live wallpaper i am 99% sure that it wont make any noticeable difference if you have a black wallpaper or some colourful picture :)
[Desire General] jpxdude:
Just to add my input, so far on a single charge it has lasted me about 23-24 hours before powering off. There is an accurate showing in the battery section which shows that the 'Uptime' for the phone (every time the phone hasn't been asleep) has been about 9 hours, which isn't bad in my opinion.

I've been playing with mine a lot, lots of browsing through WiFi and 3G/HSDPA, downloading programs, constant syncing with exchange, hotmail, gmail, facebook and twitter, messing with GPS, and digital compass, watching videos, trying out some music and also a couple of calls.

Realistically when a lot of the hype and showing off has worn off, with real world usage, it can probably last up to 2 days maximum. I'm giving it its second charge now, so hopefully over time the battery conditioning will improve it. :)
[Desire General] cez10:
sounds good to me :)

did you charge it straight after unboxing or used it before battery went low and then charge ?
[Desire General] jpxdude:
Hi,

I used it for about 15 minutes when I first got the Desire to set it up, the battery life was already at about 50%, Then I turned it off and let it charge completely until the LED turned green. The charge right now will be it's first proper charge cycle since it had powered itself down.
[Desire General] benko286:
You did wrong..when you get first time device you need to plug in(add in device) battery and DON'T turn on phone, let it recharge fully than turn on phone ;)

Anyway wanted to ask when you first time add battery in device will it automatically turn on like blackberry's does?
[Desire General] ephumuris:
I thought with batteries these days it doesn't matter about how and when you charge them. Just to not let them run dead and let it charge fully the first few times?
[Desire General] benko286:
Well yes but it's still better for first few times to charge and discharge them fully no matter that others say "it doesn't matter".
[Desire General] leoni1980:
A cycle is a full charge. Modern batteries don't need to be discharged and are pretty resilient. A full charge cycle could be if you let your battery drain by 25 percent then charged it fully every day for four days. That would amount to one charge cycle. The only thing I know to be bad is constantly draining the battery to empty or storing a battery away that has no charge. This is why all batteries come at least a third charged.

There is no need to switch your phone off or avoid using your phone on its first charge. modern batteries suffer no memory effects, and are equipped with electronics that ensure each cell is charged equally. Whether you drain to 10% and recharge or only take it off charge when you're out of the house, car or office.
[Desire General] RaptorRVL:
Lithium batteries are quite easy actually. But a lot of people are still confused because of old battery methods.

Lithium batteries: Keep em charged as much as possible. Full discharges and heat are lithium batteries biggest enemies. Since lithium batteries have no memory, keeping it fully charged all the time is no problem.

It's not needed to fully discharge and charge lithium batteries to get optimal performance from them (or to 'start them up' for the first time). Lithium batteries have maximum capacity when they leave the factory and start degrading as soon as they are created (more or less, depending on temperature).

The only reason for a full discharge and charge of a lithium battery is to let the onboard chip 'recalibrate' itself to give proper information about the battery. Perhaps that's why in some topics they advise a full discharge, removal of the battery information (in Android) and fully charge after that.

If you check this link there is talk of a fully discharge every 30 charges.

So.. in short: keeping your phone fully charged is best for the lithium battery!
[Desire General] benko286:
I was doing this to my Diamonds battery for one and a half year cause I thought that it suffers from memory effect..and it is still like new..:confused:

And high temperature kills them too, actually it's their biggest problem...
[Desire General] RaptorRVL:
It can't be as good as new. First because of the age (average lifespan is around 2-3 years for a lithium battery while slowly degrading) and most importantly because of the complete discharges. Completely discharging a lot really DEcreases their lifespan dramaticly. It can be however, it still has enough capacity for your phone to work properly (and perhaps updates to the OS ROM and radio ROM makes it more effecient, thus increasing standby time).

Anyway, it's all part of the battery chemistries. Can't do anything about that!
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
I believe I read something somewhere about "overcharging" the battery being bad too. Is that true? Meaning, should I be careful not to let it sit and charge for too long after it reaches 100% charge?
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
It seems to stop charging when it's hit 100% but perhaps someone more knowledgeable can advise about overcharging.

I overcharged me G1 battery, it had to buy a new one it wouldn't even last 2 hours, sometimes it'd be on for 30 mins and go off 2 hours later you could turn it back on and it would have 50% battery life.
[Desire General] RaptorRVL:
Overcharging is really bad as well. But usually either the device or a chip on/in the battery should stop this from happening.

It's more like once the battery reaches a certain voltage, the charging should stop. If it continues the battery gets hot and might even start flaming.

More information about charging lithium batteries you can find here. One quote from that site:
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
Okay, so it would stop charging once it reaches full charge then?
[Desire General] RaptorRVL:
It should yes, otherwise we'll be having exploding phones all over the place! :D It will probably do some trickle charging after it's full and keep it at 100%.

Personally I usually take it off charging when it's 100%, and never keep it charging overnight (the idea of a charging battery with me sleeping isn't very comforting).

I have a cradle next to the computer, so I always put the phone into there. It's pretty slow charging but it works great. Don't think my current Hero ever falls below 70% this way lol :)
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
I like to start my day with a fully charged battery, and so I usually leave my phone charging overnight. Guess this is a bad idea then?
[Desire General] pantera70:
I've been charging overnight with my G1 for a year and a half with no issues and plan to continue doing so with my Desire.
[Desire General] benko286:
Hmm I have heard that slow charging kills them too?!?