yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire General] XDA mark:
1. That is one of the reasons I am leaving the HD2: 4.3 inch is to big. After a few months of using I found out that 4.3 inch is nice, but it is not necessary. I rather have a 3.7 - 4.0 inch screen that I can much better use with one hand, while still having almost the same experience I have with my 4.3 inch screen.

2. Yes, indeed that is true. Not a huge problem though, the 5 mp camera's on the Desire/HD2/Nexus One make good pictures and decent video's for my needs.

3. I really do not care about that, at all! :) And it was rumored that it would come to the Desire as well.

4. Again, I do not care about that.

5. I don't know about that. It looks kind of big, and it is not as 'curved' as the Desire. IMO they both look just as nice, but they both have different styles.

I myself thought for a second if the EVO 4G was not a better choice, but quickly knew the answer to that. For me, the Desire is still on top. I think the 3.7 inch (AMOLED btw, much nicer) will suite me better. And the EVO does not really offer anything else that I really need.

And I live in Europe. So that means case closed, as the EVO 4G is meant for Sprint in the US.
[Desire General] dudeldei:
I totally agree on this! The Evo looks way more like a brick and the finish looks a bit more 'plastic-like'.

I'm also a fan of some hardware buttons,such as the Desire has implemented, so I'm still happy with my preorder of the Desire :)

(and the 4.3 inch screen would have ruined the looks of my tight jeans) ;)
[Desire General] jonneymendoza:
yea the HD2 last year October/november
[Desire General] silverkiller:
I'm surprised everyone is saying 4.3" is too large. I think smart phones are headed to the larger direction, Dell's android tablet with phone capabilities seemed like one of the first steps. (I forget its exact screen specs, but its way larger than an HD2/Evo)

But for me, the HD2 is the perfect phone, I just can't be tied down to WinMo any longer, it simply frustrates me. I kept waiting for them to release a version with android, and while the Desire looks fine (though I think the N1 may be better if only for guaranteed updates), I still miss that larger screen.

I guess its a preference, but the EVO is my perfect phone, just with the wrong radio bands :(.

But is 4.3 really too large? I still find web browsing on smart phones limited with the screens, i feel like it requires a lot of scrolling. And if you're saying 4.3 phones cant fit in skinny jeans, get a purse to go with you jeans and put them in there.
[Desire General] dudeldei:
I think the Dell has a 5" screen.

The thing is, I'm looking for a PHONE, with capability to easily browse the net, play games run cool apps etc...

If you're looking for a 'browsing-multimedia-device' with phone capabilities, then you might like a tablet instead?
[Desire General] wankingweiner:
everyone here making it seem the EVO is too big i think is exaggerating slightly. The screen is way bigger yes, but the screen practically takes up the whole front of the phone, unlike the desire which has plenty on nonscreen on the front, around the phone.

Also i find the 720p video recording a major plus, and although i dont care much for 4G and the front facing camera, i would still chose the EVO over the Desire any day.

Im hoping for a European release of a similar phone. I know HTC wont release the same one because of 4G, but knowing how HTC like to mix and match a lot, they might bring out a 4.3" android phone with 720p recording by the end of the year. Im hoping at least because i called off my Desire pre-order and am willing to wait for info.
[Desire General] XDA mark:
My no means do I think 4.3 inch is TOO large. Off course I enjoy browsing on my HD2, watching YouTube, etc. But what I mean is: is 3.7 inch all that different? I don't think that it is, and you will still get almost the same experience as on the 4.3 inch screen. To add to that, because the screen is a 0.6 inch smaller, the entire phone also because more 'pocket-able'. That is something great in my eyes, because while the HD2 fits easily in my pocket (it is thin), it is pretty heavy. Also 'just using' the phone for something quickly will be sometimes hard on the HD2. I almost never use my HD2 with one hand while I am moving, because I am afraid I will drop it (no good grip).

But yeah, the screen sizes will keep growing and growing. Now it is between 3.3-4.3 inch, and I expect that to become 3.7-5.0 in the next years. Maybe the large screens will actually be USEFUL in the future, because now for example Android 2.1 looks perfect on a 3.7 inch screen.
[Desire General] wankingweiner:
if the desire is pocketable, then the EVO isnt far off in my opinion.
[Desire General] redrazr7791:
:D Both of them are nice. Funny thing is...I remember Android first came out. Sprint's CEO said that they wouldn't jump on the band wagon ANYTIME soon. Flash forward a year and BAM...they roll out the best handset availalbe :rolleyes:
[Desire General] farnsbarns:
Remember that all these phones have the same resolution so, in reallity, a smaller screen means smaller pixels and lower dot pitch so it will seem more detailed and sharper. It's like HDTV, now we all have our 42"+ tv's and everyone is getting excited about HD, all it has really done is brought us back to the definition of 20 yr old 14-20 inch TV's. Actually definition is the wrong word for this reason, that's marketing for you! They should be called hi-res TV's.

Of course I sit a lot further from my TV than I do from my phone so taking perspective into account the pixels seem about the same size but at the same time, take your Desire and hold it 10% closer to your eyes (1inch?) and it works out exactly the same effect as the HD2 etc etc.

While all these devices have a *resolution* of 800x480, a 3.7 in screen @ 800x480 is higher *definition* than a 4.3 inch screen @ 800x480.

The point I am trying to put over is that a small difference in screen size makes no difference at the same resolution in the real world, it's all about bigger numbers in technology equaling higher sales numbers! Give me a bigger number for RAM, Processor speed, data speed etc etc, even resolution, but I am not that fussed about small differences in screen size.

Another thing that I thought about recently is that, on the other hand, if they can now get 800 horizontal pixels on a 3.7 inch screen (about 2.8 inches wide horizontaly) how high will the resolution on my 42" telly be in 5 years, If they cram as many pixels into the same space it scales up to about 8000+ horizontal pixels! Just give them time to cram that much data into the signal and were off!
[Desire General] K 7:
I think overall size of EVO 4G & Desire does not have a HUGE difference, I mean I have HD2 at the mo & I like the size, 4.3 looks good. EVO 4G have less space around screen but Desire have more space left around screen, so 2 me 4G is not 2 big, it's great.

If we had Desire with same specs but with 4.3" screen, I think most of us would have been more happy with that too (caz we would not then have 3.7" Desire 2 compare with, so we would have taken that size as perfect) I think few of you will agree here.

K7
[Desire General] wankingweiner:
yeah i have to agree with u.

Imagine gaming on this device, should be awesome :D

I'd also like to know if they are still using ClearPad 2000, otherwise it will still have the multitouch limitations of the N1 and Desire.
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Nice picture

I see your point and this is EXACTLY what made me say: 'ah, the HD2 is not to big'. I compared it to the iPhone, and it did not seem so much bigger, while the screen difference was huge.

But I have found out after a few months of using that infact, that small difference DOES matter. It is just a fact that for ME, the HD2 is just a little bit to big. And by this I do not mean that I can not use it. I can hold the HD2 in one hand and use it. But you just 'feel' that this is not the optimum size. If it was just a 'little bit' smaller (a.k.a. that slightly smaller Desire) it would have been perfect.

Desire = still phone. HD2 (or EVO) = already more than that (not a tablet persee, but somewhere in between). Yes, even though the difference is small.

TO CLEAR UP! I think the EVO is great! I just don't NEED that extra big screen ;)
[Desire General] shure2:
i like the wallpaper on the evo, hope we can get it for the desire
[Desire General] Lukehluke:
I personally would have liked at least a 4 inch screen, however I went from a 3.2 inch to a 3.5 inch and soon, a 3.7 inch and so its slowly getting bigger :)
[Desire General] gogol:
Me too :) I like 4" screen.

The thing that I notice is that even the HTC Desire has bigger screen (slightly) than iPhone, but not in the wider side (the 480) ... In this side, iPhone is wider.

If it is a bit wider, it will help the virtual keyboard to have less cramped.

And I went from 2.8" (HTC Kaiser) to 3.7" (HTC Desire) ... !
[Desire General] eaglesteve:
Surprised to hear from ex HD2 owners that they now prefer a smaller screen when they kept talking about how great the large screen was then.

For me, there are only two reasons why I would want to switch from iPhone to Android: the opportunity to have a 4.3 inch screen and higher MP camera. But i do see the point that with such a small lense a higher MP is actually a weakness not a strength. I'm not convenced about bigger screen not a strength though. I think HD2 has just the right size, but I can live anything above 3.5 inch.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
yes thats true, smaller lenses and higher MPs do not go well. Take my SE C905, its got a good cam but the lense is too small for a 8MP resolution so a Nokia N95 with 5MP cam takes better pictures.
[Desire General] BerreZ:
Android

Next to my HD2 i'm using a Desire for 1 week.

With the upcoming revolution in the Windows world I've decided that my HD2 will be the last one in windows and I'm convinced that Android will rock the next years , especially for all the people who doesn't like closed and boring systems.

Now if you can compare the HD2 with the upcomming EVO G hardware likewise then I can assure you that the Desire is a lot more userfriendly : It feels a lot faster , the hardware buttons are better ( at the exception of the power button ) , the flash is better and most of all that Amoled screen is a pure joy.

So in comparison HD2 and Desire , I would always choose the last one ( Android you know )

Between the EVO4 and the Desire it's a closer call , but knowing that the screen is the most important interface , I prefer quality upon size and keep my Desire.
[Desire General] RXP:
I don't know why people are saying the Desire's got a better screen. The HD2/Evo may have a LCD screen but it renders colours more accurately. The Desire and Nexus have had big screen issues:

ww.displaymate.com/Nexus_One_ShootOut.htm
[Desire General] leoni1980:
My experience, after two weeks, is that there hasn't been a single second where I've missed my HD2.

Whatever the supposed problems with the screen might be I find it gorgeous. On a side note the device is ten times faster, smoother and more stable to use.....

So yes i can lose .5 inches of TFT; the loss of Windows Mobile alone makes it worthwhile.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
the only problem people been talking about with desire screen is the tint but thats not a fault and some people do not even notice it.

So I say I would pick smaller screen OLED over bigger TFT and also a smaller res cam over higher res on the same size lens.

The desire might get a 720P recording update so IF that happens then the Desire is the overall better phone. Even without 720P recording, no pro video recorder would be using a phone to record video so its not that important as if your really worried about that then you would own a dedicated video cam.
[Desire General] langers1:
From my understanding it is never going to be released in the UK. The main reason we do not have the infrastructure to support 4g comms atm. All the money is going into high speed internet, give it a few years and we may have it.

Forget the 4g get the Desire
[Desire General] eaglesteve:
Amen to getting away from winmo. That's the best decision I've ever made in my life using smartphones too.

But on the screen size issue, would you not have preferred a 4.3 inch screen over a 3.7?

Also, is there really any harm in getting a much higher MP camera which had the option of taking pictures at a lower resolution anyway?

I hope the supersonic does not have pink screen like the Desire.

Does anyone know if the supersonic has a more internal memory so as to eliminates the storage space problem experienced in Desire? I wish they could completely get rid of storage card and follow iPhones and WP7 in this regard.
[Desire General] Nekromantik:
No internal memory, as far as im aware no HTC android device has 1GB or more internal memory.

As far as higher MP cam taking lower MP pictures, wot is the point in that exactly. If the cam cant take good 8MP pix and its 5MP pix are better and you dont use any higher then it makes the higher MP useless.
[Desire General] tommywu7:
htc evo 4g GHz wide band

I ask h：ow changes in Taiwan, wimax liberalization of 2.5-2.7GHz :confused:
[Desire General] tommywu7:
I ask how changes in Taiwan, wimax liberalization of 2.5-2.7GHz

I ask how changes in Taiwan, wimax liberalization of 2.5-2.7GHz
[Desire General] cgrec92:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/htc-scorpion-with-1-5ghz-snapdragon-wimax-tipped-in-build-file/

HTC SCORPIO - 1.5ghz

oh no he didn't..
[Desire General] spritable:
I had HD2 for almost 7 months and 3 days ago I bought a Desire. In my opinion the HD2 was too big in dimensions. The only think that was good about the 4.3 inch display was the wow factor of your friends. But it fades out after couple of months and you are left with a huge wide phone in your pocket. Now the Desire feels a lot more comfortable to hold and use it as a phone.

And since 4G is a little bit bigger that the HD2, I will definitely choose Desire over it.

720p video recording is actually a bit plus for me. I hope somebody will "enable" it, like they did on the Nexus One.
[Desire General] wookoouk:
Desire: I own it, I love it more than any phone I have had before, including iPhones. The only think I have to note on it is that i ONLY use the front sensor/button when taking pictures, the touch screen works better for everything else.

EVO: I will never get the evo in the UK as we do not have a 4G network yet, but i have to say I love the size of the phone, I saw my friends HD2 the other day and loved it, Big phones are great, if you want a small phone get a 3210. The Droid X ist huge and looks great.

I say, BIG PHONES FTW!
[Desire General] ilordvader:
Which phone comes close to this phone

on Att network, cos thats what im on

Wonder which phone which all these funtions

has best Talk time ?

hopeing 7hrs of Talk Time :)
[Windows Mobile] venelar:
i wanted to start a kitchen and just play with the 23549 build if possible. I've had a couple of people hook me up with their kitchens that are ready to spit a rom out (which is great! thanks) but i don't know how much I'll learn going that route.

So..I've downloaded the latest EVK (heh..big step i know) and i see where/how to get rollups for 23549. But is the base rom still just 6.5? Or is there a specific base i need to get somewhere to get started and then apply the 6.5.x stuff?
[Windows Mobile] af974:
You can find a nice and easy to use Kitchen here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=628948 OsKitchen by Ondraster and Airxtreme.

In thread you will find some of the latest build ready for it and the thread its still alive and ready to help people.
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
AFAIK, the components you will need are:

ROM

OEMXIPKernel from recent (last) official HTC ROM for your device

MSXIPKernel from 23549

OEM

OEM folder from recent (last) official HTC ROM for your device

SYS

SYS folder from 23549

If HTC did not release a WinMO 6.5 version for you device, your final ROM will be running a hybrid 6.1/6.5 kernel - i.e. not a "real" 6.5 AKU.

HTH,
[Windows Mobile] venelar:
so ive dumped 5 or 6 roms since ive been home looking for sense 2.1 1919 (last build before 2.5 iirc). Anyone remember which rom it came from?
[Windows Mobile] twopumpchump:
i think 2.1 1920 is the latest, you can find it in uk orange rom 1.90
[Windows Mobile] eras2r:
To create your own custom kitchen you'll need to learn how to strip a shipped rom. So you'll want a kitchen that is already stripped, a dump of the ROM it is based on, and some utils like Beyond Compare (powerfull diff program) and Emeditor (TXT exitor with unicode support)

Then start diffing the two kitchen folder structures and files to see what was removed/added from your source kitchen (Beyond Compare is awesome for this). Start cooking your ROM in small steps so you see how your changes effect the resulting ROM. Also a good understanding of the kitchen you are using is important. In the case of EVK, there is no need for dsm's and rgu's in EXT. You need to understand the EVK "new style" package strcture.

First thing to do off of a dumped rom in EVK is to go through the initflashfiles.dat file and cut and paste each EXT packages entries into an app.dat file in the EXT folder (the one with app.reg). This lets you experiment with turning on/off packages in EVK and not having to edit the initflashfiles.dat each time.

That should get you started on the right track, but be patient... this process will take time to learn.
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
Hi,

Here's an example to dump a rom by hand, the tools you find in most visual kitchens today.

Before you start with a visual kitchen it's good to learn the tools inside I think.

Here's a small example and it's fun to see and learn.

After doing these steps manual you have a good first impression what a kitchen can do.

Open a CMD window in the directory with this tools and your Ruu_signed.nbh and type te following commands:

nbhextract ruu_signed.nbh [ENTER]

nbsplit -kaiser os.nb [ENTER]

imgfsfromnb os.nb.payload imgfs.bin [ENTER]

imgfstodump imgfs.bin [ENTER]

Dump created....

Now drag the dump folder on Bepe's packagebuider and your packages are created.

OEM

ROM

SYS

Cheers, leo

Edit2; Tools attached inclusive recmod so you have a file inside the module if you try my steps. Credits and thanks to Pof, Bepe and Mamaich for creating these tools.

I've also added a cmd shortcut in the zip, so if you unzip you only need to add your ruu_signed.nbh you want to dump and click the shortcut a command window will open.
[Windows Mobile] Laurentius26:
To extract the EXT I like to recommend Ondraster's extRebuild.exe

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=629190

If you drag the oem folder on it it creates the EXT.
[Windows Mobile] saurabh88:
pictorial for how to use evk..

u can check this thread for begining..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=552317

:p:p
[Windows Mobile] 95gs-t:
Thank you for the dump tools!
[Nexus One General] helipilotx:
Hi Guys,

Anyone ran into an app that let you control the (running) music player from the locked screen like the I-Phone does it? (back / pause / fwd)

I tried the app Lock2.0 but don't like it because its just a work around the actual problem, with way to much other BS. I think you will need root access in order to implement it properly (might be wrong)

Thanks for the help.

If I could write a app that would be the first thing I would try :)
[Nexus One General] popophobia:
The new CyanogenMod ROM have option where you can long press volume keys to control the music player. Pretty nifty.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
One of the many benefits of Sense UI:
[Nexus One General] helipilotx:
What version? I updated yesterday to the latest version of CyanogenMod ROM and I tried your suggestion but can not get it working from the locked screen.

Do you have to activate it some where?

Thanks
[Nexus One General] ccunningham83:
No settings have to be changed. Just have to long press. You can't pause (that I know of), but next and previous track work.
[Touch HD General] korrupt_1:
There may be a good chance that this thread maybe closed... but I'll ask it anyway...

What ROM are you using and why?

I'm asking as sometimes, reading threads like this exposes people to an idea/function/app/etc that they didn't consider in another ROM...

I'm using BlackSTONEhenge because it's really fast and not too heavy on the memory usage...
[Touch HD General] first_damned:
I was using cloudys rom, this is close to stock, very stable and fast, also low on memory useage.

I used to use his rom on my diamond back in the day.

Now flashed back to XannyTech Grid Leo 2.6 rom, as this rom is perfect for me. Fast, lots of tabs, eye candy, apps installed etc....
[Touch HD General] wind79:
I am using XannyTech Grid Leo 2.4 as the version 2.5 and 2.6 seems to be a bit buggy to me.
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
I'll allow this thread to continue (for now), but I'll move it to general discussion forum as its not about rom development

As for which rom I use....see my sig ;)......as for why I use it, you'll just have to flash it to find out!!!

Rick

p.s. I have 2 HD's, one for general use, one for the constant flasher (me) who wants to try the latest builds. My sig only represents my everyday rom
[Touch HD General] anhphe076:
I was using T2M rom v23544! It's very nice!! free RAM 60MB....!
[Touch HD General] Bodisson:
Using ROM in signature.

Stable, not too many unneeded programs cooked, all programs I need (see signature) work...

After installation of everything I need I still have over 74 MB program memory free...

Oh, and Manila 2.1, which I like more than 2.5
[Touch HD General] peter63:
I use Topix 3.5 wm6.1. Super fast ROM, after restart 68perc free RAM.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=460640
[Touch HD General] gerryjoson:
1.56.405.1 [43972] WWE

WM 6.1 today screen with launcher 79% free ram or 153 mb after reset, don't have to close anything, don't have to soft reset...maybe once a week...if that, most reliable OEM rom I've used in nearly ten years of ppc/WM use.

boring huh....just the way I like it :)

Occasionally google maps will have glitch where the screen doesn't refresh properly after the sip has been on there, but thats about it
[Touch HD General] fiendHD:
XannyTech Grid Leo 2.4 is used here for the same reason as wind79, but in addition it's the only rom I've come across that can control the song playback forward and backward via volum control when the screen is turned off. XT lost something on the way from 2.4 onward. =(

Any other roms around that do the volume/song selection trick?
[Touch HD General] wallawalla:
I am use:Rom..kwbrs Topix 3.5.10 [Sense 2.5.2012][5.2.21897] without hTC messaging

Stable and good battery..45% memories after softreset. good performances...
[Touch HD General] Exitao:
I'm using Miniterror's.

I liked Miri's, but something (can't remember now what), made me look for better, tried Energyrom, but the Cookie thing messed with my volume buttons, and was a hassle to fix.

I expected Cloudyfa's to be amazing, but the radio was bad for me and I tried Miniterror on a whim.

I'm very happy. I just wish he included some of the apps (like GPS stuff and the action screen) like in the Energy ROM, then it would be perfect.

I'm planning on going to the current release, but so far, I'm problem free so I'm slow to move...
[Touch HD General] vcespon:
Using this one too. Tried several WM 6.5 ROMs. I do not see what do I gain with WM 6.5 but see clearly what I lose: A lot of RAM and speed.

in Topix 3.5 WM6.1 I start with 35% RAM used and with Opera opened it's on 55%, not 80% like WM 6.5.
[Touch HD General] danim:
BareBones (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=472972)

6.1, Extremely fast, stable, doesn't include all the stuff I don't need (specifically Manila which really slows the HD, even if not in use), and it's open so I can easily modify the ROM and add the stuff I like!

I wish there was a 6.5 ROM with the same benefits out there, but honestly I'm very happy with my current ROM and don't see much of a reason to change it.