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[XPERIA X10 General] sonus:
How'd you find out about the ClearPad? Do you have the X10 whitepapers? Care to share :) ?
[XPERIA X10 General] krabman:
Nope, just digging around like the next guy. There are very few outfits who can whack out a half million capacitive touchscreens suitable for use in a smartphone and most of those are not selling to SE (ie Apple) It cant be the 3000 because it wasnt ready in time so that leaves the 1000 or 2000, the latter BTW is the screen used in the N1. I have already tried to get this information from SE but struck out. Now I am trying the synaptics angle to see if I can hit paydirt there. So basically since I cannot find any other capacative touchscreen it can be I am using the Sherlock method and deducing it must be what remains. I would love for you to prove me wrong because I dont have a need to be right and my skull is about to blow up from all the searching I have done for various reasons with this device.
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
the n1 uses clear pad 2000 series.. therefore it has some problems when the two finger crosses axis..

however nothing has been confirmed about the touch screen used in the htc desire. may be it may be using touch screen by either some other manufacturer or the clearpad 3000 series.

the 3000 series again can be ruled in case of desire cos it was not ready.

SE is not goig to loose by using clearpad 1000 because it is outdated and especially at this time when every user is well informed about mult-tiuch. thus it boils down tht SE most prbly uses clearpad 2000. this puts the x10 hsers on same footing as the n1 users.

maybe only apple rightnow supports cmplete multitouch...
[XPERIA X10 General] -16-:
Some news:

"(...)Regarding the discussion around dual/multi touch. I would definitely expect someone to tell me in that confirmation if it would be dual-touch. So expect it to be single touch only – sorry.(...)"

source: blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2010/03/26/xperia-x10-launch-consumer-research-program-started
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
vry baaad news :(
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
on the basis of this reply from sony ericcson i m confirming my deal on the x10....

cheers...
[XPERIA X10 General] chaoslimits:
Sure that's a good idea buddy? Who knows who sent that email?
[XPERIA X10 General] yuppo:
This information is not from an official source so I wouldn't trust it. Unfortunately Rikard Skogberg is an "official" source so we should trust him, even if he has bad news. I will have to cancel my order. :(
[XPERIA X10 General] teamshao:
The guy is from the Sony Ericsson Technical Center. Look at the signature.
[XPERIA X10 General] chevchelios:
Maybe somebody can check out what sort of clearpad is used in the X10, using the pictures in this link:

edit: wtf, i'm not allowed to place URLS?!?!?

anyway, this is the link:

fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=383229&fcc_id=%27PY7A3880056%27

Lets all hope it's the clearpad 2000..
[XPERIA X10 General] MCoimbra:
What pictures?
[XPERIA X10 General] chevchelios:
use https:// in front of the url --> "09 internal photos"

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=383229&fcc_id=%27PY7A3880056%27
[XPERIA X10 General] yuppo:
And apparently he is wrong as Rikard Skogberg confirmed that the information was faulty (he did that on the official blog a couple of days ago). But sure if you wish to believe that tech center guy go ahead, but I wouldn't.
[XPERIA X10 General] Baggyb:
Guys,

I was responsible for uploading the contents of that email on both modaco and on the SE blog.

I'd read so many conflicting reviews that I decided to email SE direct. I received a relpy within a 24 hrs and thought i'd share the good news.

However i was then told by Rikard Skogberg that the info I received was wrong.

Bottom line do not base your purchase of the X10 on the email I uploaded.

I'm still not sure what to believe.
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
hmmm.. now what bout that?

"Confusing to say the least;

Dolphin Browser on Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10

“Just out of curiosity we installed the free third-party Dolphin web browser on the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10.

Feature wise, it adds tabs on top of the page for easy switching between multiple pages. Gestures are enabled too, including the lauded pinch zoom (though you have to root the phone to enable multitouch).”

http://www.gsmarena.com/browser_shootout-review-448p7.php "
[XPERIA X10 General] Baggyb:
Yeah that was one of the reviews that added to the confusion.

Again they are just stating the general features of the browser itself and not the X10.

It says that it would have to be rooted too. Well I think we're a long way off that!
[XPERIA X10 General] MCoimbra:
X10 wasnt been rooted yet
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
I just emailed GSMArena the following, in an attempt to get clarification from them on the comments they made regarding the X10 running Dolphin in that article. I'll post any response I recieve:
[XPERIA X10 General] chrism_scotland:
Bit of a blow if it doesn't have MT, browsing certainly is much helped by MT, I got annoyed with Internet Explorer on my HD2 and having to use + and - keys.

Shame as I was dead set on the X10 over the Desire.
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
Vry nice!

pls let us know as soon as u receive an answer..
[XPERIA X10 General] Baggyb:
Nice one Saltorio.

However the statement made in that review implies that they would have had to root their X10 unit to use Multi Touch in the dolphin browser.

As far as we're aware a rooting solution has not been made for the x10 yet.
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
well thn.. i think ill wait a week before orderin.. let the conclusion be out!!
[XPERIA X10 General] bimmerboii:
this came from blog.se-nse.net
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
yes but thats old news...

but letz c.. really hope it will have at least dual touch :(
[XPERIA X10 General] ukon:
I do not want to base my purchase of a phone, on wether it has Multi-touch or not. There are other factors that are more important for me. Ofcourse, it is a nice thin to have when you are browsing the Internett.

And a nice thing to have when you are playing games on your phone. What disapointed me with this phone, was when I found out that it does not hVe a qwerty hardware keyboard. But I can live without it tho. I needed. New phone, since I smashed my magic to the wall... Heh.,
[XPERIA X10 General] SchumiX10:
if i'm right there will be X10 with HW qwerty, or only X10 Mini will come with qwerty???, will try to find out
[XPERIA X10 General] ukon:
I do not want the mini one, I do not like the look of it. I would love to see the x10(normal size) with a hardware keyboard ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] krabman:
Yep, hw keyboard with a screen this size would be mucho nice. Since I only care about multi touch for typing anyways that point would become moot. Although I have to say I find swype works rather well for me...
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
i can see swype being pretty nice on a 4" screen. heh. of course i'd want a screen protector to make sure i didn't end up with nasty scratches from using the swype motion too much
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
X10 Multitouch issue is HARDWARE related:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/28/xperia-x10-multitouch-issue-hardware-related/
[XPERIA X10 General] Lex360:
ja and SE Asia just confirmed :mad:

--> http://asia.cnet.com/crave/2010/03/29/xperia-x10-s-hardware-won-t-support-multitouch-/

:( :( :(
[XPERIA X10 General] AndyD777:
Has anyone managed to confirm what digitizer the X10 is using?

I have read a number of conflicting views between multi touch and dual touch.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
The whole issue is muddy and seriously needs clarification from SE. The longer they wait, the more damage the rumor will do to potential sales.
[XPERIA X10 General] AndyD777:
I agree.

However, i think there is a eliment of confusion about this whole problem and needs to be cleared up.

I did have a X10 on pre-order but i am unsure now.
[XPERIA X10 General] hkfriends:
It is shame that sony using old hardware and sell it at highest price
[XPERIA X10 General] Tri3Dent:
Guys, it has been confirmed.

Sumit Malhotra says:

March 29, 2010 at 11:06 pm

Back in November, I posted that X10 will not support multi touch functionality at launch, but will be considered for the future. I can appreciate that even though there wasn´t a commitment, such wording both creates expectations (small or big) on future support and implies restrictions on software side.

That is the information I had in hand at that point of time. I am well aware that you rate multi touch functionality very high and therefore I regret to inform you that X10 screen hardware does not register simultaneous entries. Meaning even though we will upgrade the underlying operating system in relation to upgrading our user experience layer, X10 will not support multi touch functionality. We believe that it is important for you who follow this blog to be clear on that, which is the reason why I want to confirm Rikard’s comment.

We are working on alternative solutions for certain use cases, like zooming. I will share more details about that initiative once confirmed.

Due to vendor understanding and agreements, we don´t discuss in detail regarding hardware specifications. Having said that, X10 is upgradable and as earlier described there will be significant value offered through upgrades. X10 is about to reach stores and early consumer feedback is very positive, also highlighting room for improvement which we will share in due time.

Regards,

Sumit

Link: http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/produ...program-started/comment-page-9/#comment-36032
[XPERIA X10 General] tlky:
anyone tried download dolphin browser from the market and multi touch working on dolphin browse
[XPERIA X10 General] krabman:
Sigh, I wonder what the price difference is with the screens, matter of a few bucks I would bet. I planned on using swype anyways and the typing was my concern but still, I have to say I wanted it. I generally go with having it and not needing it is better than needing it and not having it. Now I guess I have to ask, does this change my purchasing decision? I dont think so but there is still some time for other handsets to climb the order on the short list and the X10 just lost some juju.
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
man, i got a credit card just to purchase the x10. now it looks like i'll be sending my credit towards google.. god damn you SE ... i'm pretty sure i'd never get a tatoo that was pointless.. but i'm considering getting SE sucks right near my asshole!
[XPERIA X10 General] HYPERTUNE:
I recommend that you DONT do that. :eek:
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
your right. considering a place that i could at least convince them to look would be a better strategy.
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
God damn you Sony! Stupidest decision of all. This was supposed to be the flagship product for your smartphone comeback, and you decide to cheap out and go with the Clearpad 1000. WTF!!!

krabman

: Working for a company that makes similarly dumb decisions to save pennies on $150 products, I'm sure you are absolutely correct.

Looks like I'll be getting an X10 (need it on contract due to lack of funds) then selling it on eBay to buy myself a real phone. Hello HTC, my new best friend.
[XPERIA X10 General] krabman:
If you're young female and hot I must insist on pictures. :D

@saltorio Whats your go to choice after the X10? While I am not on contract and wont be I am still stuck with AT&T due to coverage so for me the next in line would have to be the N1 or its sibling. Although the HD2 would not be so bad since I dont have 3G most of the places I go anyways. Had made up my mind to try out android though...
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
24/m sorry.. my 20 gf has some sweet tats tho. sorry no pics :)
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
I'm looking at the HTC Desire, or N1. The HTC Incredible would be another choice, but I don't think it's out yet and I have no idea what bands it'll run on or what the cost will be. Depending on time frames, I might consider the Samsung Galaxy S, though with Sammy working on their own Bada OS, I'm not particularly convinced of their dedication to Android.

Personally, no way I'd get the HD2. MS is all but killing Windows Mobile for their new Windows Phone 7 series. And I'd stay away from that as it looks like they're copying Apple to a "t" in regards to lockdowns and such.
[XPERIA X10 General] brodos123:
Hi

How important is MT if I dont use the phone for games?

I can live without pinch zoom.
[XPERIA X10 General] Fitz:
Not, it's just a hyped feature.
[XPERIA X10 General] martoto:
True, but it’s a shame that SE removes this feature from their flagship device only to cut a couple $ using outdated hardware. You guys, who still going to spend so much money on X10 are really brave chaps! Moreover, when there is HTC Desire on the market, which is brilliant phone, a way better from X10 and for significantly lesser price. I think they (SE) are mad to produce such of moderate thing and still trying to sell it as a premium package.
[XPERIA X10 General] sim-value:
Not at all :D

EDIT: way to late
[XPERIA X10 General] krabman:
Not too worried about the HD2, it already has killer roms and there is only the need for support for the life of the unit which is a few years at best and I believe will be there. I really wanted to try out android though and I am now strongly leaning toward the desire, I like physical buttons.
[XPERIA X10 General] ukon:
I would rather have the x10 than desire or legend even tho It misses MT.

SInce I do not like the designs on those phones...(yeah.. silly enough, I bought this one for the design etc.)

But it is stupid of them to do that, I really do agree with you.
[XPERIA X10 General] cvchetan:
i think ill get the x10.. atleast i'll get the 8.1 mp camera.. afterall the multitouch on the desire or legend is also not a full multi-touch, its just dual touch. i can live widout the pinch thing....
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
LOL just saw a tweet by SonyEricssonNA:

I told them that's like MS saying no one uses copy+paste in WinMo, so they're not including it with WP7. Just dumb (plus, MS could always include it later, whereas that can't be done with multi-touch on the X10).

Nice try guys.
[XPERIA X10 General] irenic:
i believe SE is way too arrogant. lol
[XPERIA X10 General] ipporek:
How about selecting an entire sentence? MT's used for that on the iPhone. Haven't figured out how to do it on WM yet. Could only do so cos I'm currently using a X1 which has a hardware keyboard. Not too sure about Android.

Sigh... in terms of looks, X10's definitely my choice. But if I were to look at anything else... Milestone has a keyboard, Desire and Galaxy S have AMOLED screens and are slimmer... then there's the point of X10 not having MT, and we ain't even sure which version of Android it's gonna come with, or when it'll get an upgrade to 2.1...
[XPERIA X10 General] jakontil:
i need MT to type faster, been using smartkeyboard pro since first day it was released, made me type fastest than the built in virtual keyboard....
[XPERIA X10 General] hkfriends:
Hey, just test the smartkeyboard... i found that if u press and hold the shift key, and then press other alpha letter. Then u will seeing that the keyboard has response, just like to make shift of case changing. I feel it detect multitouch.....

Anyone can try it?
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
...or that it's screen is in fact 16M color capable.
[XPERIA X10 General] Saweetarab:
Its a bit of a shame that SE live up to what everyone expects from them. Quality looking hardware that is slightly gimped on the inside, but they believe the flaws can be made up for by better camera etc etc.

Surely they must see how out of touch they were with their consumers when the made the single touch decision given the way the market is moving. Very disappointed to be honest. It could have been so much better (how many times has that been said in the past)
[XPERIA X10 General] ipporek:
The Xperia line has been quite a disappointment to be honest. Switched from a Touch Pro to a X1 (and am still using it) but if not for the fact it looks better (in my opinion), there's hardly any justification for me making that switch. And then there was the X2, which was hardly an improvement. Ya, it looks better than the Touch Pro 2, but specs wise it sucks. And now there's the X10. Another good looker but yet disappointing on the inside...
[XPERIA X10 General] szlevi:
When you press and hold SHIFT it simply turns CAPS LOCK on, it's not cycling it so obviously the following key touch will register just fine.
[XPERIA X10 General] Baxxx:
Did you mean, you press shift key with left thumb, keep it pressed and press anothe letter key simultaneously? And the Keyboard did write the right capital letter?

Od did you mean left thumb on Shift, then lifting your left thumb and then pressing the letter?

Becaus first one would only work with at least dual touch as i would understand...

Please clarify - maybe upload a video ...

Thanks in advance!

Bax
[XPERIA X10 General] lostsouls:
I second that too...

Im not really into multi-touch, so it's fine for me with the X10 with MT.
[XPERIA X10 General] Bikram:
I got so dissapointed after hearing NO multitouch. I mean having no multitouch also means that it would hard for devs to make rom of 2.1, they should probably sell multitouch kit so that we can install it by ourself.

The funny thing I noted in this forum that most ppl here have X1 and probably thats why they are getting X10. the sad part is SE is not getting us back for their next phone if this phone is not decent enough. The X1 is definitely an awesome phone, I am actully writing this from my X1.

I am going to get X10 from rogers, and probably later sell it or save money to get the next Samsung S pro or new Motorola droid with snapdragon.
[XPERIA X10 General] CDR123:
orelsi did you happen to ask what us carrier is getting it or if its comming to us at all?
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
While on the topic of what the X10 hardware is capable of, Sony has confirmed via Twitter that the screen is not capable of 16M colors:
[XPERIA X10 General] Trekster:
I love Sony and their contradictions....in a blog post they said the screen was capable of displaying 16M colors but that the limitation of 1,6 was holding it back @65k...

Will dig the post up later tonight..
[XPERIA X10 General] saltorio:
Ya, and yet I get this following regarding the same questions asked to SE's email support:

So i'm still confused as to which it is.
[XPERIA X10 General] shingers5:
i am getting a sony x10 as a replacement for my N1......... yes i really am. people moaning about multi touch make me laugh as how many actually use the damn thing and what makes it so important that a phone will fail because of it! i am more worried about my HD2 not being eligible for a wps7 upgrade than MT on X10 as it will come. HTC hero had no multitouch initially and look how well that did. still have my hero now. MT will come with future upgrades but for me its no that important and certainly wont affect the sales of this phone! sony has put a lot of time and effort into the mediascape UI which is very nice. this phone will do well i know it. i should have mine tuesday but i have had an extensive 2 day trial with demo and i like it. i am always a firm believer that to truly judge a phone one needs to own it. it looks great and sony has put a lot of effort into the UI which to me is a sign of good things to come. whats the big deal about hitting a zoom button to zoom in/out???? look at all the things iphone didnt have when came out and still lacks today........ its still a major contender in the market! give sony a break!
[XPERIA X10 General] nihonjintaylor:
Personally if you use the latest opera browser it works very well without pinch zoom ^^;;
[XPERIA X10 General] killerskincanoe:
did u bother reading any of the post before replying... like the title maybe? the hardware wont support it. update it all u want to android 12.0 and it still wnt support it...ever
[XPERIA X10 General] drfjeld:
Well I might be a bit tired here, but sitting with my X10 in front of me and the latest opera browser. Then with 2 fingers I can on nytimes page I can "pinch Zoom" what I want to read. I just cant zoom out with a 2 finger gesture.

Is it then dual touch?

Fjeld
[XPERIA X10 General] MCoimbra:
LOL

That's not pinch to zoom. On that page if you click on an article it zooms. It's single touch, not dual!
[XPERIA X10 General] drfjeld:
Well I better sleep and clear my head. Knew it was to good to be true.
[XPERIA X10 General] bixby22:
Just read this on Engadget..

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/16/sony-ericsson-x10-can-do-multitouch-after-all-will-get-android/

Says x10 WILL get MT with update to 2.1
[XPERIA X10 General] teamshao:
Questionable, to say the least. SE themselves said that it would not, and then somebody "leaks" again that it will (the same source that said it wouldn't). This is pretty aggravating, really.
[XPERIA X10 General] Veeger:
It was my understanding that a product manager confirmed it wouldn't and someone who works for a third party retailer said it would

Not really the same sources at all LoL :p

Either way, live in hope or move on because the world sure as hell will and so will the world of Tech :)

G'night guys. :cool:
[XPERIA X10 General] teamshao:
What I mean is that the rumor that it would not have the hardware for MT first appeared on mobile.co.uk as well, before being confirmed by the product manager. Now that it's been rumored again by mobile.co.uk, let's see how SE responds.
[XPERIA X10 General] ShadowFlare:
I think there will be a big "But" at the end of the "X10 will have multitouch" statement. MT is a nice feature to lure people in, there has to be some reason for these opposing statements.

Maybe they messed up something in the production line where half of the X10 released really do not have MT at the hardware level due to different factories... maybe. Hence it would be bad when they release MT update and half of X10 users can't use it. That's just my opinion why SE would say there won't be any MT.
[HD2 General] aarons6:
i hate the part when you slide to the message tab and you see a text message from like 4 hours ago.. even tho you read it already.

it seems to be separate from the text message app?

i like to have the messages icon but i dont like the old messages it displays.
[HD2 General] testarossa:
You could try putting a htc_messages quicklink on your home page. this will take you directly into the sms inbox. This also speeds up message loading times that are crippling if you click on the sms tab on the slider to get to your messages.
[HD2 General] Earthbrain:
Has anyone here use the service Logmein ( https://secure.logmein.com/US/home.aspx ) with your HD2 ?

The iphone can do it, but I was wondering if the HD2 can do it also. I want to remotely control my PC at home when I am away using the HD2.
[HD2 General] Archer:
They've never made a compatible AX control for the current versions of IE or Opera that come on the HD2, so I'm afraid you have to forget about Logmein. I was gutted about that, but soon got over it when I started using Remote Desktop instead.

Give that a go - it should already be on your device. (Don't forget that you'll need to ensure your PC will accept incoming RDP connections, and you'll need to allow it through any firewall(s) you have - port 3389.)
[HD2 General] polstein:
You can use IEToggle (http://discussion.treocentral.com/treo-pro/177752-toggle-between-pie-ie6-free-app-cab-file.html) to switch back to old IE (Pie) style.

I use Opera as my main browser, and use old IE for logmein.

You use the toggle once, and it stays on the old version of IE until you ise the toggle program again.

With this (and the RACtrlCE.cab from logmein), it works perfectly on the HD2 (at least for me).

Wish they had a standalone app, but I find this program smoother then using RDC for a home laptop.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I thought the keyboard didn't work. That was the reason I didn't use an old version of IE. Is this now resolved?