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[Hero CDMA General] toastcfh:
Eh really this does bring up something that will be interesting for me as a dev. I don't think that wimax/4g support is gonna be all in the kernel. For good reason. The modifications HTC made to get cdma to work in android 1.5 were not at all closed source kernel modifications. That is proven by the fact Maejep backported the gsm kernel to cdma and data worked the second he got it booting. The actual modifications HTC made were actually in the system build its self. Through apks that were closed source. Now I get and have gotten a few leak builds that have had wimax support in them. They were all gsm devices granted. But they still had a directory called wimax in the system. Now with that in mind my eclair dev build always had that directory in it and had the proper setup un the ramdisk to initiate wimax and it attempted to do so on every boot. Anyhow it was a given that the hero hardware didn't support wimax I know. But in regards to the Evo it leaves me wondering will we be able to use wimax in aosp builds. Will it be possible to move the wimax diff into aosp builds.

But yeah it just got me thinking :p
[Hero CDMA General] watzone69:
Very interesting point. After all, you KNOW that everyone is going to want an AOSP EVO ASAP (darn, I got acronym blowout).
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
And what would those bodies be? Because in my 10 year wireless experience, this would be the first mention I have heard of them...........

The wireless standards are set by what the network capability is.. No ifs or buts.

The 1G,2G,3G,4G references are only for the customer so they know what "level" they are on...

The only standards are set by what the technology can withstand, and are not "set" until after usage and bandwidth tests are run by the network...And they approve of those data ranges...

So again, the "standard" is set by how much data WiMax can move...

WiMax is not theoretical... Clearwire has been using it for the better part of 4 years now.. And the speeds are going to be the same as they always have. They used WiMax for the disaster relief people during Hurricane Katrina.. It is a ten year old technology..
[Hero CDMA General] mercado79:
I'm sure there's a different radio in there, but... isn't WiMAX a newer version of 802.11x. Eg. 802.11a, 802.11b, 802.11g, 802.11n, etc.?

There hasn't been any mention of it, but could it possibly be backwards compatible with 802.11n?
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
Kind of...

It is a brand new protocol 802.16, and it does support some limited normal WiFi(802.11), but there is a brand new architecture for connecting IP-based networks, so some sort of scripting would need to be ran to convert back to the 802.11 architecture..

So.....

in short, probably not...
[Hero CDMA General] toastcfh:
Wow we already need a Evo forum :p
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=620
[Hero CDMA General] dnalevelc:
+1

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[Hero CDMA General] toastcfh:
Thanx man I didn't feel like searching from my hero. I'm still at work and suppose to b3 working :p
[Hero CDMA General] willy900wonka:
I'd be willing to bet that the nesting of the handling of interupts by the kernel will impact other areas than just the radio. The architecture of the chip and the more frequent interupts may cause some changes to other handlers, in order to maintain a refresh rate for 4G. Visual determination can be done by checking a demo unit, say at ctia ( if they are live on a local canned 4g ) in full burst mode while doing a memory access function. -Downloading a web page while doing a mms. - The tell tale would be degradation of one or the other.

So the dif may be larger in scope. Just a wild guess.
[Hero CDMA General] Is_907:
I'm not saying WiMax is theoretical. I'm saying it can theoretically hit 20something Mbit or higher. In practice it is only reaching ~6Mbit because of spectrum constraints. (You can have a wider spectrum for more speed but less users.... vise versa...)

I believe it's ITU that governs what is classified as 4G, 3G etc.

I agree, it's been a 100% marketing nomenclature for years, but in truth this is how these things are determined.

http://www.itu.int/ITU-R/index.asp?category=information&rlink=rhome&lang=en

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITU-R

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Standards_Collaboration

I'm basing all of this off of a good friend who works for Motorola. He engineers cell towers and LTE equipment.

I'm fully okay with being wrong on this... but I'd be highly surprised.
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
The ITU only "governs" satellite transmissions... Which the only use in Mobile Technology is for your GPS systems...

The ITU "regulates" and "examines" cell tower transmissions, not set standards for them.

Here is a quote from the page you linked....

The standard is set by the capability, registered and tested by the carriers (ie. administrations), and then examined and approved by the ITU..

Just as the FDA regulates "recommendations" and "doses" for medicine.. They are not specified by the FDA, they are "recommended" by an association of doctors, but regulated by them...

Not saying you or your friend is wrong, but it's in a little more depth than what was relayed to you.. 4G doesn't mean anything really...

The ITU is just big brother making sure that companies are not lying about the transfer rates that they advertise..

*EDIT

But the ITU can impose a limit on the maximum frequency spectrum and bandwidth, that would in affect put constraints on WiMax... But the WiMax Spectrum is well within its limits... That bandwidth also would not affect how fast WiMax was, just how much actual data it could control in total... and by the by, cap the maximum speed for each user, but not diminish the minimum speeds...

Also, just a note... You said WiMax was less than 4G standards...

Sprint's 4G standard-3.5mbps----7mbps

Which the 6mbps you just quoted is well within...
[Hero CDMA General] ro_bro:
that salesperson knows nothing.
[Hero CDMA General] dhero1:
ITU is big brother in Europe, ANSI is big brother in the USA. Both accredit other orgs to actually do the work, but these top orgs manage the final approvals of the standard specifications. 3GPP2, are accredited by ITU, and the TIA and IEEE are accredited by ANSI as telecommunications standards creating bodies. And then they're further subdivided into work groups who address specific technologies. In some cases through participation by liasons from several groups, the standards are created and adopted by both ITU and ANSI, effectively creating worldwide standards ... IEEE and 3GPP2 have both had those types of laterally accepted standards for wireless communications.

In a nutshell, 4G = minimum range of speed supported + mobility, and both WiMax and LTE will meet the basic requirements.
[Hero CDMA General] dhero1:
I've been in wireless for over 20 years, including work on the creation of AMPS (1G), GSM, TDMA, CDMA (2G), and 1xRTT, EDGE, GPRS (2.5G), W-CDMA, UMTS and EvDO (3G) standards ... I'm curious to know what part of wireless you've worked in for 10 years and have not been made aware of the root standards that all wireless network capabilities are built on! Here's some further reading that folks might find enlightening ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2.5G#Evolution_from_2G
[Hero CDMA General] subliminalurge:
I'll be very seriously considering buying an EVO when it's released, but 4G has absolutely nothing to do with it. By the time Sprint rolls out 4G where I live, I'm sure the EVO will be as old and obsolete as the original Motorola brick looks now.

Still stuck on 1xRTT at home....
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
...........

I was not saying I had never heard of the ITU and ANSI...

I said I had never heard of an iteration of those bodies he was presenting them in...I was asking what those were in his mind, just verifying that's what he was talking about... How about you read a little more into it before inserting yourself....
[Hero CDMA General] dhero1:
Hmmm ... as I read more (your next post) it has additional erroneous statements, e.g., the ITU is the governing body over cell site transmission standards in at least Europe, and not just satellite, as you state. I'm not attacking you, just trying to clarify info.
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
For the last time, 3G-4G = a change in network capability...It's nomenclature..

The only standard for 4G is that it is faster than 3G.. The carriers decide the mobile network implementation and the capable speeds.. Attach a standard speed to the 4G labeling, and then submit for certification...

Show me one place anywhere, that gives a 4G standard... No where except on Sprint's marketing... The only standard is set by what WiMax (and since you mentioned it, LTE) is capable of.

4G is just a blanketed term for the next iteration of networks above what the carriers currently provide....

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[Hero CDMA General] dhero1:
I agree that the terms 2G thru 4G are used for marketing purposes to help customers distinguish between what their previous choices were, and what their new choices will be - and that's about all most people will ever know about the use of these terms. But there are also standards that these marketing icons are based on. ITU says 4G requires ~100Mbps for mobility up to ~70mph, and up to ~1Gbps for stationary (< ~3mph) devices. ITU comments that 3G is ~384kbps for mobility and up to ~2Mbps for stationary (< ~3mph) devices. These are all the radio downlink minimum numbers.
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
Right,

My only point is that there is not a standards body making the standards. Those are specified after all the leg work is done, and by the by doesn't mean anything unless WiMax and LTE can actually transfer what is specified by the carriers and then recorded and managed by those bodies.

But either way, WiMax is freakin' awesome... I knew a couple people that had the Clearwire service, and seeing the ground work from that, evolve into the mobile network we are going towards is worthy of awe...

Now if only the government would take control of it, and provide low-cost or puplic-internet themselves, and take it out of the private market...No more price gouging.... And then, there's all that tax money that we need.. lol..jk
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Infon1:
am having some problem i tried to flash a kspec lite with the add on to my nexus one and when i tried to reboot its stock at the screen where d cyanogen X comes across, i tried taking the battery out but nothing happend, is my pnon e bricked?.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jerrycycle:
Can you get to recovery? If so flash the rom over again. Then flash the theme again. Make sure the theme number match the rom number.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Infon1:
its not allowing me to start up its stock where the cyanogen x comes across the screen, not allowing me to get in recovery,
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deprecate:
Power the phone off...hold down the track ball and the power button. Does that get you into the bootloader?
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jerrycycle:
I do this for my nexus one when I lock it up. Hold the volume down key down and press the power button. You will see the bootloader screen. Press volume down once to recovery option. Then press power botton. This will take you to recovery screen
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] craigacgomez:
Shouldn't this be "Hold down the trackball and press the power button"...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] GNOve:
I went from iphone to android to webos to comeback to android.

I use google voice. I use last.fm to scrobble. And pandora.

None of this are on windows mobile marketplace.

I just got the htc hd2 today while i love the hardware and everything. Comparing other mobile os's windows mobile sucks in terms of

app choices.

Can somebody please guide me in the right direction for replacements

or if the programs are available please tell me how to get them?

I also noticed my email inbox looks like it never left the 90's. Html emails are not being displayed and pictures are not loading automatically.

Trying to adapt need it for work so i must make the best out of it :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bored2nite:
Okay... look here for all the apps we use on our hd2

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=603880

On Windows Mobile.. you can look for apps outside of the "marketplace".. you download them as a .cab file (on pc or phone) and place them on the sd card if you want... which out the box is unique to windows mobile (doesn't eat up phone memory (but not that we lack it on the new hd2 lol))

Once the .cab file is on your phone/sd card... in the phone you go to file explorer (in the start menu)... click on it and navigate to where you placed the .cab file and run it. You can save the installation to the "device" because there is plenty of memory and tends to run better.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] suicidal.banana:
To awnser your questions;

[1] Google voice idk, but im sure google will have a wm app out soon (if not already, im not 'in' google voice so dunno)

[2] Last.fm Googling around a bit i see they (or someone) released a windows mobile app in 2008, but all links to it trow a 404, so check out their mobile forums, specifically this sticky

[3] Pandora, just read this; http://www.pandora.com/on-windowsmobile (Point your mobile phone's browser to www.pandora.com)

[4] Incomplete emails Thats just a setting since most people use gprs/hsdpa, im sure you can change it, either somewhere in the settings or trough a registry edit

Though i just have to say/write this,

DONT GET ME WRONG

but honestly, you shouldn't try to make this like your iPhone, although Microsoft/HTC are clearly trying to 'collect' some iPhone users, overall the HD2 isn't user friendly enough to be a iPhone (yes i sayd it) That doesn't mean you shouldn't stick with the HD2 though, just forget the iPhone ;)

To put some strength behind my 'user friendly' statement, if your ROM is from before 1.66, the HD2 will have quite some silly bugs, like SMS messages that get stuck in the outbox but only (if your lucky) send 3 weeks later, problems with the camera, not beeing able to read/write large miniSD cards & more.

On the other hand, if your in any way IT related or just in general good with computers, this is currently the best phone on the market (counting HD2 and HD2b as one) it does the latest wireless connection methods, has build-in gps, compass and g-sensor, a 1ghz gpu, a 'gpu' (kinda) and more geeky features, and hey, it can emulate most psx games at full speed (www.fpsece.net)

I'd just strongly suggest you to get a new ROM from the HTC site, assuming you have a device with pre 1.66

I hope the above helped a bit, not trying to make windows mobile even more confusing for you, just trying to tell you that it cant really be compared to iPhone/Android, it can be compared to windows, there are actually millions of apps, nobody ever felt the need for a windows marketplace until iPhone got one and Microsoft had to compete, at which they currently fail hard i agree, the windows marketplace thing is a joke, just use google.
[HD2 General] Cheeze[iT]:
Will I still be able to install different cabs like resco file explorer and what not? I forget the name of the program as it usually is in my roms I flash, but I like to reassign the call key to rotate the screen istead of auto rotate, especially for my GPS.

I'd also like to have it sort my contacts by first name, rather than last... will it work, or do I have to wait until the phone is flashed with a custom rom
[HD2 General] WaveyKat:
yep that contact Last Name first is killing me!
[HD2 General] bored2nite:
i personally went thru and adjusted each one to first name last name.... that was before i saw there was an app in the marketplace that will do it for a $1 lol.

Its called Contact Changer. It will do First Middle Last, Lastname firstname, or Firstname lastname. I would have paid the $1 had i known, but i already did mine manually

(yes this is on the tmobile hd2... i got mine last thursday)
[HD2 General] Cheeze[iT]:
what about installing cabs for like a file explorer and registry editor... am I safe installing those on a stock rom?
[HD2 General] elburna:
What the...? What a question :) ! Of course you can ! Those programs where MADE for normal, stock PocketPCs running Windows Mobile...
[HD2 General] Archer:
I don't know if this is the one you meant, but PLToggle (in my sig) does exactly that.
[HD2 General] wolfyx:
There was a free app called ContactChanger from a developer who was running a site called shubaroo ....... and it used to change the format of the contacts with a single click.

I know it was free at one point as I have used it but it seems he's selling it for 0.99 now ....maybe something to consider.

you shoudl check out his site as he does have some other free app which are quite handy.
[HD2 General] Cheeze[iT]:
sweet. thanks... now last thing, whats the program for the registry editor? I think its a registry editor... where you can remap the soft keys on the bottom.... no need for "phone" when I have a call button already. is it registry editor?
[HD2 General] PzykoSkillz:
Resco Explorer or Total Commander are two registry editors I like.
[HD2 General] WaveyKat:
i notice that when i sync my contacts thru outlook they are listed as "First Name" First but when entering from the phone its "Last Name" First ...so sync your contacts I guess!
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
To get First Name, Last Name on HD2:

go to people tab

select all people

select a contact

press edit contact button

scroll down to the bottom and press more button

change "file as" to whatever you want...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] fofo13:
Hi, when I use my GPS software (Garmin specifically) after I while, my htc gets stand by mode and I have to turn it on every time.

Is there a software that I can configure that when I use 'x' program (garmin) do not get into standby mode?

Thanks, I really apreciate all help.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Bruce Inman:
I don't us Garmin but most GPS programs have a dynamic power setting.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] hello547:
Someone know how to disable screen rotation in opera/skyfire ? it's so annoying because when I use It I'm in my bed before I sleep and I can't do anything.

Thanks a lot

(written from my diamond
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] hello547:
anyone ? :confused:
[Dash 3G, Snap ROM Development] vonzipped:
ok ...i have a dash 3g t-mobile phone i use the internet sharing ...connected with the usb for my internet

windows mobile 6.

anyway ....i forwarded my listening port on the computer for utorrent 2.0 and made it trusted ...but the ports still not open .....

what program can i put on my phone ....or is there something im not seeing in the phone settings to open a port ...???????????????????????

please help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[HD2 General] EgoMaximus:
Hi,

Is it possible to make hd2 alarm start form 0db and move all the way up within 10 seconds or so, so I won't freak out when waking up with instant loud noise?
[HD2 General] rikardo1979:
You have so many options. Here is two

1.You can use very nice application " SPB Time " instead of sys alarm

2.You can use some audio soft like " NERO's WaveEditor ",load the soud what you want to use for alarm and use option " Fade in "

:cool:
[HD2 General] EgoMaximus:
Thanks, will check that app :-)
[G1 General] emove:
Hi all i have a stock g1 that will not flash, the phone opens up at the tri-color screen i put in a sd card with the Image file on it and it procedes to flash the phone i get the phone with an arrow going in to it and then the pne restarts and returns to the tricolour screen, i am 99% sure that the camera button is not pressed in.

Question, given what i have said would any one asy that the phone is hardware broken. ie a bad board,

Many thanks in advance EMOVE
[HD2 General] Leo76:
Hi everybody,

I really need help on this.

I just installed Dutty's Task Manager on my HD2 (on the 16GB storage card). I noticed the device become really slow so I just switched it off and on again. But since I switched it on again the storage card is not seen anymore! Just the main memory!! I disinstalled Dutty's but no help...still after few resets the sorage card is not seen....any help??

Thanks!!

OS Vers 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)

Manila 2.5.19211619.0

ROM 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE

Radio 2.06.51.07

Protocol 15.30.50.07U
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
Have you taken the MicroSD card out and put it back in again?

I would be inclined to turn it off, take out the card, turn it on, then off again. Then put the card in and turn it on.
[HD2 General] Leo76:
Yes, already tried that...nothing happened. Still is like the card isn't there...
[HD2 General] Leo76:
I tried to read the MicroSD card with a reader on a pc:

well, it start reading it, shows the files and the everything disappears again! As if the card wasn't there and it says: insert a disk....

I don't understand how it first find it and read the content and then it all disappears....maybe some corruped file in some directory?

Any suggestion on how to recover my data??
[General Questions and Answers] johnlujl123:
Nowadays we see more new devices equipped with touch-sensitive buttons (non-hardware buttons). I sometimes wonder if these touch-sensitive button actually are prone to a accidental touch (or press). If yes, they are, then does it mean that it's better to have hardware buttons instead? :confused:

I'm a bit confused regarding these kind of buttons. What do you think about this? ;)
[General Questions and Answers] jascayne:
I used to have an HTC Magic, but now I'm using an LG Eve, and I seriously miss those hardware buttons... I constantly accidentally press the back and home keys, closing whatever I'm currently doing, or occasionally the won't respond at all, and I press them three or four times before they actually do something. Also, a trend I've noticed looking at the phones coming out, many phones with capacitive buttons seem to be missing the important ones, like the dial button, the end button, and the search button. Also, watch out for the type of trackpad. On my Magic I had a trackball, which is fairly standard, but the Eve has just a button that acts as a menu button, no scrolling possible. Look really carefully at the input methods when choosing a phone.
[General Questions and Answers] ElCondor:
I've had some bad experiences with touch sensitive buttons. As jascayne says, I constantly pressed the buttons accidentally (motorola droid).

So I should never go for a phone with touch sensitive buttons.
[General Questions and Answers] johnlujl123:
So so, this means touch-sensitive buttons aren't reliable. next time when I buy a phone I'll pay attention to the type of buttons. :D
[General Questions and Answers] ElCondor:
Exactly:).
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] cougar694u:
What benefits do I get out of upgrading the radio to 2.22.23.02 on my 32B phone?

Better reception, faster/better 3G, etc?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] nolimit78:
Eh it'll be a different experience with every person. For me, I noticed nothing really. But for some, they have had positive results. You're best bet would be to flash and try it out.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] tnpapadakos:
check out the thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640535

plenty of info there
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] cougar694u:
@nolimit78

Yeah, figured as much.

@tnpapadakos

Read through the first 3 or 4 pages of that already and decided to flash it. I rarely get 3G at my work, and so far it seems about the same.

I'm not holding my breath for any changes...