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[HD2 General] Steinegal:
Relax WP7S isn't released yet and if they keep to the schedule it won't be until late Q3, so your devices is stil one of the best out there and WM 6.5 isn't that bad;)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
no wm6.5 is that bad , look at other oses
[HD2 General] Steinegal:
Pocketnow has spoken to microsoft and they confirmed no update for HD2 because of the three button requirement.

See pocketnow for info
[HD2 General] panart:
No Windows Phone 7 Upgrade for HTC HD2

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix-microsoft-no-windows-phone-7-upgrade-for-htc-hd2
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it is final now , i will through my hd2 into garbage ,this news will definitly affect tmobile hd2 sales ,and hd2 sales allover the world ,please mods close every wp7 theread about hd2 as it is finally confirmed to not have it
[HD2 General] aceo07:
How about mailing it to me instead? :D
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
ready for that
[HD2 General] alphawuschel:
this is hard for the most hd2 users...

so stay connectet ;)
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
im surprised you haven't already, you haven't had a good word to say about it for WEEKS!
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Pocketnow. Nuff said haha!

HTC Desire here I come!
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Windows 7 will be ported soon enough. Thats why I will not fret when I purchase an HD2. I love WM anyways, and I haven't even got to mess with 6.5 that much let alone the 6.5.x series.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you areright i havenot said any good word for a weeks but excuse me iam very angry now
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
dreaming is very good (but not in our case)
[HD2 General] mystik610:
T-mobile was probably anticipating this...hence the $200 price-tag, and the media event thrown the day after MIX to highlight the HD2. They're likely trying to divert the media away from the fact that windows phone 7 series won't be coming to the HD2, and hyping the other functions of the phone. It's still a very good phone at the end of the day, and if WP7 weren't around the corner, I'd be all over it. I'd like my next phone to be a long-term investment. I like the HD2 a lot, but the thought of having a phone that runs an already outdated OS by today's standards with no upgrade opportunity in the future is less than ideal for me...particularly if I'm locking myself in a 2 year contract, or dishing out $400.

It's kind of an awkward time to buy a new phone. Windows mobile 7 is around the corner, Android keeps out-doing itself, the next iPhone will be here in a few months (though I'm not expecting much from it). Plus you have upcoming technologies like AMOLED screens trickling into phones.
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Yeah, but even if it doesn't I still wont fret because its still a amazing device.
[HD2 General] domineus:
android outdoes itself!? when!? using android all I see is an os for play and not even great play...its fast like ubuntu but lacks polish ike ubuntu and integration...

actually imho android isn't great its okay but nothing fantastic
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Android, is in a category of its own. You cant compare a Ferrari to a speed boat.(Horrible comparison, I know.)
[HD2 General] H3ALY:
Is it just me or did everyone elses packaging not have a " Free WP7 upgrade sticker."
[HD2 General] panart:
+1

When i bought the HD2 i didn't buy it because it would be upgraded to WP7.
[HD2 General] domineus:
if you have the box post it to htc and return it if you bought it for that

as for android its in a league of its own...next to the craptacular iphone and to the left of a dumbphone
[HD2 General] kb0n:
+1

Although it's not about being "free" or not ;)
[HD2 General] Funk2641:
It's a no go dudes: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-htc-hd2-will-not-be-upgraded-to-windows-phone-7-serie/

:(
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
let's hope we will get 6.5.5 update after 7 is confirmed not to be as an update
[HD2 General] 10076757:
im sure the xda chefs will get a hand on one of those wp7 handsets they are giving to the MIX attendees and rip a rom out of it. a quick question, if the hd2 gets a "wp7 ROM" will most of the functions work like 3d games. graphic accelerated and all that other BS. Microsoft are money dyers. thats why they not upgrading
[HD2 General] domineus:
this may be too much for xda developers

it would mean that they would have to reverse engineer all drivers and port them from ce 5.2 to ce 6

we have barely scratched the surface with meizu m8 or zune hd running on a similar core...

so far the task requires too much time and there are few that can truly do it on this platform

so I have very LITTLE faith in the project...VERY LITTLE
[HD2 General] Tomo1340:
I have to say I am not fussed if it gets 7. if they were to say yes now, I get the impression that htc would not offer any further updates, which I have to say I would rather have a 6.5.x or a 6.6 update in the nearer future rather than wait 9 months for a big 7 update. That being said I am in a position to upgrade to a new handset in november so with any luck the latest htc will be on the hype list by then.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Definitely not.
[HD2 General] np231:
Hey guys, I really don't want the official version of WP7 on my HD2.... just a tweak so that It would run the apps that comeout for WP7.... I really don't like the interface of WP7 ..

do you think its possible to put WP7 apps on HD2 with WM6.5?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
no way no backwards compitability
[HD2 General] shure2:
+1

although the devs are capable of great things (especially porting android) i think creating the drivers wont be easy.

i guess it depends if they release a hd3 with the same specs just with 3 buttons - then they might be able to port over the drivers (if the hd2 is even hardware compatible with wm7)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
hd2 hardware is not even compatible with wp7 (no directx9 ,no hardware camera button ,no 4point multitouch.)
[HD2 General] theredundant:
there is a dump out... any devs wanna try porting it over? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=647138
[HD2 General] pikasso1:
HTC should offer an Android 2.1 Sense upgrade for the HD2. I wouldn't hesitate geting it on the 24th with T-mobile if this were the case but with just Winmo6.5, I can't justify the purchase. You know they've got an HD2 android rom lying around anyway.
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
More hardware = more money, thats why.
[HD2 General] domineus:
I think the larger question here is this

did microsoft and htc have a bitter fight? On some stock boxes we see a wp7 upgrade free...but then this

for one of the most popular devices on windows mobile, did microsoft and htc well...have a falling out?
[HD2 General] pikasso1:
Yeah, but this device releases in the US in two weeks! An android update would be more sales = more money. A lot of nerds (like me) won't buy a new HD2 in it's current situation.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i also feel that as major companies (lg ,samsung ,asus ,) showed wp7 devices in mix but htc don't show any thing (i think htc will go for android as main os)
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Now I guess you should advice to your "source" to change his job:

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix-microsoft-no-windows-phone-7-upgrade-for-htc-hd2
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
loooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
[HD2 General] domineus:
well hold on

I can actually believe that...and while the thread says hd2 to get an upgrade and its wrong I can see an interim sdk being developed for current hardware...
[HD2 General] aszu:
OK, looks like there will be no official update to WP7 (which I anticipated), but as I mentioned in my post, dev OS builds may still be available for HD2, for testing & etc purposes. So there is still hope.
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
I would definatly go for this device, I've been dying for a device like this, ever since I had the TyTN II(At&t Tilt). Sense really makes WM purr, and I like it, and as long as thats WM's "makeup" then its cool with me.

WM is great when its supported. . .right now its hell. . .because I am on a Treo 750.
[HD2 General] domineus:
I say if we can get a leak the porting process will be that much easier

can your associate get a test build?

that would be much easier seeing the drivers and bsp is there
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
lol...WP7S sux big time! No multitask..and apple like apps store the only way to get apps??

Locked environment? LOL microsoft u dumb ass..u just killed windows mobile and the whole purpose of windows mobile! another apple copy? no thx

screw u microsoft..rot in hell..
[HD2 General] domineus:
oh lord read the threads

there is multi tasking and much like iphone I can guarentee a jailbreak with illegal apps for wp7s on the horizon

so how about we stay on topic
[HD2 General] kel16harris:
PHAIL:mad:
[HD2 General] Thuggie:
Time to sell this phone....
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Why is everyone abandoning ship? Just because we cant upgrade because incompatibility with the hardware?
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
That's because many people thought and hoped that HD2 will support windows phone 7 series and jumped in to windows mobile despite the negative reputation because of HD2's beautiful hardware.
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
I never make drastic desisions like that :rolleyes:.
[HD2 General] domineus:
if this is true

the hd 2 with wp7s it will be leaked soon
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
WP7 has been leaked, but in an emulator form. So no possible ports yet.
[HD2 General] domineus:
that's useless and only for computers

aszu mentioned a specific hd2 leak. That's what I am interested in...really interested in because it si formatted to the touch hd2

that leak is more special to me at this point
[HD2 General] emigrating:
Because, as much as Microsoft would like you to believe that third-party developers will continue to support WinMo 6.x based devices, this isn't going to happen in a major way. Just look at Skype, they've already pulled their WM6 client, Adobe has abandoned their Flash 10.1 release for WM6, most smaller devs I've spoken to are too damn excited about WP7S to bother continuing WM6 support.

Major corporate users are already moving away from WM6 (just look at the statistics over the past 2 years).

Let's face it. WinMo devices are on life support at the moment, and I very much doubt the "starter" edition (ie. WM65 based) devices will go into emerging markets as Microsoft has previously stated. There are not very many emerging markets left in the mobile world to be honest and the ones that do exist are so desperately underdeveloped that a smartphone, ANY smartphone, is at the very bottom of their "want" list. Heck, even Africa is flooded with iPhone users.

That all said, I don't have any problems with the HD2 as-is, and I'll keep mine until a, in my eyes, better handset comes along. I have however shelved a few software projects I had started. I will likely not follow the herd into WP7S territory as it just isn't turning out to be all that great after all. Don't get me wrong, I love the UI, I love the idea of "Live tiles", I love the fact everything is connected and it's pulling data from everywhere aggregating it into easy to see tidbits - but with no "real" multitasking it just isn't going to do what I need from a phone. Not to mention the Apple-esque "everything locked" mindset. Sure, all of these things will be overcome within days of release (****, probably before release as we're bound to see leaks of the OS) but the fact they [MS] have deliberately gone down the exact same road as Apple is a huge obstacle to overcome. I can't say I expected anything else though, having worked closely with MS (albeit not the mobile team) in the past I know how they work and "lowest common denominator" really rules over in Redmond.
[HD2 General] rahulelectra:
Ohh Wp7 and so called no hd2 upgrade has made many brains go off. So he forgot he already has....... ;)

No offence just kidding,
[HD2 General] rahulelectra:
only one question for you ?

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where is your grabage box ? :)
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Now I am thinking: why couldnt they have said no @MWC, or the days after. Such a lame trick to buy them time..
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Or they really haven't decided the outcome because they where still talking about it.
[HD2 General] Timax_50:
Apparently according to http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2010/03/windows-mobile/

windows 7 will not be possible to be run on the HD2 as it has 5 buttons and not 3 as required under the microsoft mandate for new win 7 mobiles.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
Really?

Are you sure?
[HD2 General] :
I didnt read every comment couldnt be bothered, but

I DONT

want 7series that was the reason behind me getting a HD2, i wanted the best thing on the market that will last me, i dont want a locked down phone i could buy a iphone if i wanted that, i really people are moaning about this y cant see why
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
The HD2 wasn't marketed as a WP7 device, nor will it ever. I don't know why some people bought this phone in hopes of an upgrade, you don't buy phones for that, you buy phones because they appeal to you.
[HD2 General] Starfury:
If its that bad, remind me why you chose the HD2 again?
[HD2 General] Starfury:
I dont think that would be beyond the realms of possibility considering the hardware spec of the HD2 vs Desire... I think I might drop HTC an email...
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Probably for the same reason MANY people bought the HD2: the hardware. To be honest, that is the reason I bought it. And I am 100% sure it is the reason of many others.

Windows Mobile 6.5 is not a total failure, it has it's good points. But 7 Series has killed it completely. AT THIS MOMENT, the HD2 is still one of the best, with 6.5.

BUT, if you are looking to make a long term investment (it is quite a lot of money), owning a HD2 at this point makes people sad. For many reasons I think most people know.

EDIT: And no way is HTC giving us an Android ROM. Seriously. I can not even start to explain why..
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
Of course HTC is not going to give us the Android ROM.

But that didn't stop us in the past.
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
Can u tell me how?
[HD2 General] addicus:
Overall development and support for WM 6.5 applications has already begun to dwindle and end. Buying a new phone with this OS on it is buying a dinosaur knowing a gigantic asteroid is hitting in a few months and wiping them all out. That's what sucks.
[HD2 General] Shadowdh:
waaah my jaguar xf cant hover or fly and wont be upgraded when cars can hover or fly... waaaah, thats why I spent 75000 on a car, to upgrade it.... not to enjoy the drive or its capabilities... just cos I wanted to upgrade...
[HD2 General] froztii:
i will try to explain:

1 - adobe with its 10.1 flash will only support WinMo7.

2 - skype is already jumping the ship. (already no support/download for 6.5.x devices)

3 - and thats just the beginning..

4 - no x264 support. when i bought the device - i was hoping hd2 it will supprt in the future. now im 100% that wont happen.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
pfft. That's why you should have bought the Jaguar xf WP7 series like me.

I'm flying over the traffic! never late for work!
[HD2 General] Daveyg99:
Oh well, thankfully this issue has been put to bed in terms of the O/S upgrade - still it's a good device and will funnily enough still be capable of making phone calls.... you will not perish, or have street cred issues in bars and clubs as a result of the O/S upgrade on your phone - your friends / girlfriend will not desert you

The Apple kids must have gone through a similar excercise with the first generation iphone, then 10 minutes later the next gen Iphone appeared... that's technology for you....
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
As far as I know the development for wm6.5.x will continue, and all apps that I need are already here so no problem for me.

I agree that buying a new phone with winmo now would not be a wise step. Better step would be to buy an Android phone. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
For the most part, the HD2 does what I expect of it perfectly. It'd definitely have been nice to get the WP7 upgrade, but if I'm honest I'd be much more interested in an Android port for the HD2 sometime in the future.

Now that Microsoft themselves have said it, I think an official 6.5.5 update is more likely to happen.
[HD2 General] jerichos:
I have had hundreds of devices over the years and ended up in the industry eventually. I DO think that MS have killed WinMo because of WM7 - they had the opportunity to seed an existing market of users, and chose not to. They have hurt T Mobile in the US in the process and handed the market to those manufacturers who allow updates to their devices ( I have an Android Device, an Apple Device, HD2 and Nokia E series) - The market moved last year as people kept these high level devices longer on longer contracts.

Moving forwards, this will allow (at least MS hope, but most don't believe) turnover devices. They WILL be heavily subsidsed, and they (the operators) won't have to pay as much as they do to Apple. They hope corporates will take on the devices as it allows all to have a pocket office...

It's a bit rubbish to be honest - they could have let thousands get an upgrade and built a community to rival the likes of Android or Apple, but they've slipped - up again.
[HD2 General] brynweb:
I think it's more about harnessing a new market than nurturing an old one. The competition have proven there is a huge market, and MS are taking steps to grab a sizeable share by moving forward in a way that they think will work - and it will. The Silverlight technology will bring lots of good for WP7.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I can't believe that this quote can be used, yet again! How bizarre.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
True, but had they offered an upgrade to the, albeit small, but hardcore existing market they would have had a leg up on the [new] competition.

By completely leaving the existing users in the cold they are shooting themself in the foot as a lot of users who have (recently, or are about to) purchased an HD2 (or other higher-end handset) will not instantly upgrade their hardware to a WP7S phone. For most 'casual' users this is simple economics, they bought their handset as an inclusion in their contract which often runs for 12, 18 or even 24 months. The majority of TMO-US HD2 owners will likely not be due for an upgrade by the time WP7S hits and that's a sizable market to miss out on.
[HD2 General] brynweb:
Erm... I think you'll find that HD2 owners make up a tiny insignificant share of the current WinMo market! Add that to the earth's population that are in the market for a mobile phone either now or in the future, and the HD2 is nothing but an ant's testicle.
[HD2 General] morpheus1982:
You paid £75000 for a Jaguar XF? I think you got bumped. Dont they start at £27k?

I agree with your points though. All this complaining. When did a phone or a car become an investment? Is it going to rise in value over the years? No.

Is this forum flooded with youngsters with no responsibilities, and still sucking their parents dry while they crave for the latest trainers, phones???
[HD2 General] Archer:
Let us know what you think WP7S stands for, by adding it to the tags of this fine, fine thread.
[HD2 General] Cret:
I can't believe all the whinging about this not being an official upgrade for HD2 owners.

Yeah sure it would be nice to have it there as an option for those who fancy trying it and perhaps that will happen in due course due to chef cunningness etc but I won't lose any sleep if it doesn't happen.

Lets face it the HD2 is a beast of a phone in pretty much all respects of its capability, and I can't understand all the *****ing about winmo at this point. Sure the earlier incarnations of it weren't finger friendly or really any good for the 'man in the street' as opposed to us nerds, but the latest versions are in a different league.

6.5 and sense etc are very user friendly and sense on the HD2 is fantastic, especially if you add the likes of SPB shell or Cookie's home tab thingy for all those extra shortcuts.

To me it's about as user friendly as you can get to have ****loads of app shortcuts all there in front of you the instant you unlock the phone. How much easier to use can things get than that? It even looks pretty too.

No sympathy for people who bought the HD2 for the sole reason that they 'expected' the upgrade to 7. Enjoy it for the fantastic device it is.
[HD2 General] cp_kirkley:
yeah, all 6 of them...:p

This doesnt seem to out of the realm of possibility to me.
[HD2 General] Shadowdh:
Yeah but it comes with super models pre installed... and you know they arent cheap... :D
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
end of an era

apparently if you shove a windows phone 7 phone up your arse it can measure your temperature.
[HD2 General] jonboyuk:
The intricacies of WP7 also specify that it doesn't support removable storage. Therefore, it would mean that WP7 would be useless on the HD2 even if it did work. No photos, no movies, no music....well a tiny bit on the internal storage, but useless.
[HD2 General] ribcage:
...Amen...
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
first i couldn't care much too about 7 becouse i was happy the way it is right now. but after seeing that wp7 game i got interested and i do see it as a negative thing that there will be no official wp7. but it surely won't keep me up at night
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
The problem is: it has been done a lot of false advertising with Windows Phone 7 and this device. They never clearly stated anything, but phrases like:"Come to MIX 2010" or "On the current devices only the HD2 will get Windows Phone 7" or again "Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1 Compatible" are clearly bad attempts to push sales even further with false expectations.

I don't care about Windows Phone 7, I personally hate its bad GUI (plain old 2D mono-color squares? Come on, we're in 2010) and its stupid limitations ala iPhone. But if something has to be said, they have given too much false expectations. Not only Microsoft, but HTC too.

And I expect at least they say something about a fu**ing official upgrade to the 2.x firmware with Windows Mobile 6.5.x

I think we deserve a little bit more informations. Actual customers deserves more words on what will be done with this device. HTC speaks only to present new products, and this is bad.

I repeat, I don't like Windows Phone 7. But not having an upgrade means a dead operating system on a phone released just 4 months ago. No more Flash 10.1 on the HD2, no more Silverlight, no more new games and applications. A dead horse. I now have a 600€ phone that doesn't support Flash and never will, because Adobe will release it on Windows Phone 7 devices only. Personally speaking, I feel screwed.
[HD2 General] zefiltrin:
That's true and already happening...

I've just saw in WebIS forum, developer of Pocket Informant, that they do not plan any major news for PI for WM6, since, as they've implied, it's a dying system.

That's really a shame... I was hoping at least the most famous apps would take advantaged of HD2, but most of them will probably always be "stylus made", since I don't expect many developers to keep upgrade their apps for WM6.

I really like the HD2 and I don't think it's a total garbage like some said, but WM6.5 truly does not help the wonderful hardware...
[HD2 General] lath07:
i am actually very happy with 6.5 wm on hd2...so many addon and tweaks.just bought it.don't matter if it wont get upgrade to 7 as long we have people working on it still to making it better. ^^
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
why the hd2 was released with a software that limits its specifications ,only to waste money? wm6.5 limits ( n wifi , big ram capacity ,screen colors ,video codecs ,multitouch ,and more ) we cannot use about 45% of the power of hd2
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Exactly. We now have powerful hardware on a dead OS. No more Skype, no more Flash, no Silvelight (Windows Phone 7 only). No more new games, no more new applications. And consider that developer tools for Windows Phone 7 are now free (even Visual Studio Express will support it) so now there is no more a single point on developing plain old C++ native applications for Windows Mobile 6.5

Fantastic phone. But a dead one.
[HD2 General] chris5932:
nothing to add on this one