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[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
For some reason many IP owners find it a good idea to create tons of hassles for buying their stuff, and I, as a user, often have this funky choice of downloading something for free to have it available and running in minutes or paying, often even going to physical stores (horrors!), and then probably have some crappy DRM attached to what I just bought in hope that nothing breaks down to make it all useless.

Just a few examples: it's impossible to buy digital music where I live - neither iTunes nor Zune nor anyone else sell music here, so pirating is the only option; MS don't sell Win 7 as upgrades to Vista here, only full retail versions, so you have to pay $500 instead of $200, and then get no download option either; iGo, the satnav app I use, is sold on SD cards and have no download option for WM - hell I'm not using a separate card for just one app! And then the most glorious example - the iPhone, where they locked app installation procedure together with advanced settings, using the same mechanism. So you unlock settings and get access to free stuff in one move. That, together with no try before you buy option in appstore.

So, I don't know if piracy is good or bad for the industry, but I'm sure the industry's stupidities are one of the major causes for piracy. Only in digital you find that stuff you pay for is less convenient and causes more hassle than free stuff. It just can't work without at least some people getting pissed off and looking for workarounds.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tabbe:
so is microsoft setting up a itune store for mp3?

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

if we need a simple phone, we will get nokia!

its like returning to iphone 1, with no mms, no a2dp

I think WinMo 7 should have a professional version target for us!
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Yeeeess! Where have u been? They have complete Zune functionality in WP7. There already exists the Zune mp3 site.

WP7 is the FIRST of the "iPhone killers" to compete with Apple on ALL levels and then some. No other smartphone has done so thus far.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
To say that WP7 is going to compete with iPhone is like saying Lady Gaga is going to compete against Michael Jackson's music.

People who own iPhone, do so because it's the fashion, much like why they owned iPods. People owned them because it was a fashion statement, not because it's functional. How many people you know own an iPhone and use it as a smart phone? Lots of people I know **** with the thing for 3 months, and then forget it's a smart phone and just use it as a phone.

It's not like Phone7 is going to be a fashion statement like Apple's products are. That's why Zune could never catch a decent share of the mp3 player market.

iPhone will go the way of the Nike shoe. Many people will have them, and will spend lots of money for them. In the end, it's a fad, and will fade away.

Phone7 is just Microsoft's way of trying to capitalize on the software market craze. As iPhone owners buy lots of applications, Microsoft is hoping to benefit the same way with their own marketplace. So of course, DRM is very important.
[Windows Phone 7 General] spzero:
yep totally have you heard gabe newalls take on this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg

he see's piracy for what it is and he's a developer and publisher, but also a geek and a gamer
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
WOW, he really understands the market, unreal, I have never heard any "expert" talk like that about piracy. Def worth watching (8+min long).

As for the topic on hand, this will almost be a deal breaker for me. SD cards are important for content I own to move it between computers or anything else. It has to be on a current device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Just why do people think SD card support removal from WP7 has anything to do with piracy, BTW?

Think about it - what would you do with the card there? It doesn't have file system access, no file browser, and no way to use a file you copy to this card for anything. It's not any more difficult to put a pirated mp3 to Zune HD or iPod than a legal one (actually, it's much easier, but anyway).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't know about that. Actually, WP7 seems so far to be the first smartphone platform apart from the iPhone to deliver experience that could make a device that I can buy for my wife as a Christmas gift. In some ways, which I know are important to her, it will certainly excel (video codec support, Zune desktop software, all the facebook stuff built in etc.). It obviously looks different and will stand out on retail shelves. I think the design will look gorgeous on amoled screens (the videos and screenshots and even low-pixel-density PC screens surely steal some of its appeal). One could argue that the "original thing", the iPhone, may be better, but the problem is, she already has one, as do all of her friends. It's difficult to stand out with the iPhone when you go into a Starbucks or board a plane. So the iPhone does have limitations as a fashion item. I'm sure no single WP7 model will beat the iPhone, so I'm reluctant to use the silly media label, "iPhone killer", but it's relatively understandable how to beat Apple in terms of market share.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Isn't she?

Not the many people I know with iPhones. They seem quite enthusiastic about all of their apps.

To say iPhone is a trend is to insinuate that the smartphone industry is eventually going to revert back to the old WM way of doing things. Surely you don't mean this do you?

Zune doesn't have iTunes tie-ins like iWhatever. I don't expect any mp3 site to beat iTunes anytime soon, so therefore Apple products will always have the advantage in that regard. I believe that currently iTunes is the largest music retailer.

Just because Apple is #1 in this segment doesn't mean #2 can't do well. Hell, for that matter, Apple isn't even the #1 smartphone maker and it isn't hurting them ;)

As far as fashion statements goes, I work in a nightclub and have YET to see any type of phone used as a fashion statement.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
We don't know much about Phone7 yet, but without SD support, and you can only the market place, it sounds like DRM.

Limit how people do things enough, and they'll do it your way. It's the iPhone strategy.

The idea is that iPhone users are limited. They're limited on what kinds of apps they can have, and how to get them.

WM is dead at this point. Android on the other hand isn't. Android phones can have emulators, and can install apps without the need of market place. You can install your own web browser with flash support. You can also have a SD card slot.

Nerd fashion isn't the same as cool people fashion. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheSSJ:
Absolutely correct, but I think MS will manage to get their new WinMo OS deployed on Phones from partnership companies like HP iPaq or similar forcing the business users to use it against their will. Maybe the Win7 OS for Mobile Devices won't be user's choice number 1 for private use, but for office purpose maybe it will (has to be).

Who knows, maybe they will add a "Golden Premium" version of WM7 supporting also SD Cards...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
What's so office about Smart Phones? Checking E-Mail? Syncing with MS Office?

Whatever it is, I'm sure you can do it on just about any smart phone out there. A lot of companies do give you phones, but nobody said you have to use it. Lots of people I know carry two cell phones, one provided by their company, and their own.

Speaking of business, not having a SD card slot could be a security feature. If you have a server, you tend to avoid things like CD drives, floppy drives, and even USB ports. If you keep corporate data on you SD card, it's easier to lose a micro SD card then a phone.

If MS intends to never use an SD slot, they're probably going to stick with it. Microsoft has their reasons, it's just not good enough for their consumers.

Look at iPhone. Without a SD card slot, they still pirate their applications. iPhone has been hacked, for a long time. Nothing on your iPhone is secure. Yet, Apple insists to continue doing this, despite how many people jail break their iPhones.

When it comes right down to it, it's no different then buying a laptop that can't have it's ram upgraded. Today, if you bought a laptop that did that, you'd return it. It's called proprietary.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I think you misunderstand something here. Even if WP7 had SD card support, there's absolutely nothing you could do with it (in a useful way, that is). You could probably install applications on the storage card via Marketplace, but then you wouldn't be able to transfer them to another phone, and probably wouldn't even be able to use application files anywhere else because of the "virtual file system" used there. You can't copy music from your PC using a card reader and then play it on your phone. There's nothing like "My documents" folder where you could put files for later phone access. So the key takeaway is this: without file system access removable storage on WP7 is just useless, there's no point whatsoever to "allow" manufacturers to add it to devices running this OS. Yet you can put pirated music from your PC to your phone via Zune desktop software without any problems, with SD card or not, so it's not a DRM thing here.

Believe it or not, it's not as easy and straightforward. iPhone will work with Exchange but doesn't support tasks. Android is a mixed story, but full Exchange functionality exists only on HTC devices, not on Nexus One, for example. Symbian kind of has it, but the implementation is horrid. So you can only be sure to get everything if you have WM or Blackberry (the latter using their proprietary services though).
[Windows Phone 7 General] elyl:
If you had unfettered access to the data stored on the phone you'd be more likely to be able to interpret it and crack it.

There is no filesystem access on the phone. There will still be files stored on it, you just won't have low-level access to them.

If WP7 stored data on an SD card, that SD card would be put in a computer, and its filesystem cracked by someone on XDA within days. We would then be able to put whatever we wanted on the card, without going via Zune.

Microsoft does not want this, they want all data going onto the phone to go through (1) the Zune software, (2) the Marketplace and (3) the phone's own logic. If you had low-level access to put data/code/programs onto the phone, without these 3 "locks", Microsoft would no longer control the product.

Hopefully Microsoft see sense, and renege on this ridiculous and draconian limitation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
To play devil's advocate...

No removable storage reduces fragmentation and guarantees a good experience for dumb people. For example, if a phone ships without a SD card and only has 1gb or so of flash, a normal person may not realize that they can't really put any music/videos on it. As for fragmentation, it makes it easier on developers to know that their app will always be in one place and don't have to worry about users choosing to install their apps on external storage or internal. Also, what if an app stores some data on external storage then that card is removed? It's just something else to have to account for. It also helps keep the thing from getting hacked and keeps out your every-day snooper.

Actually Zune has a music/movies store. In fact, the media store on Xbox 360 is now Zune branded. I believe you can purchase content once and it will work on your Xbox or your Zune and (I'm assuming) your WP7 phone. The one main thing Zune marketplace has over iTunes is a subscription option where you get unlimited DRMed downloads that will expire if you cancel the subscription and includes 10 non-drm tracks to keep per month. Coupled with the music discovery aspects in Zune HD and the Zune software on the desktop, it's actually pretty darn cool. You'll be able to download/stream songs from the service right on your phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] PeeZzz:
I understand that MS had a close look at the financial model arround the iPhone, but honestly, no removable storage would definitely mean I would NOT switch to W7. Period.

I now have a phone without removable storage (Touch Diamond) and I can't tell what a pain that is.

Android, here I come.:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Noonski:
Wonder what this tool is for then in the Start Up?

But if hardware Partners follow up on the request, then unlocking whatever MS is planning won't help anyone :(

Still think it's a weird plan.

I can understand the strategy, but that doesn't mean I like it personally.
[Windows Phone 7 General] elyl:
I can't see that screenshot? What is it of?
[Windows Phone 7 General] convert:
Sticking with wm6.1 for the moment ....

Ditto that

But Android does not let you sync your calendar locally ... only through the cloud ... and i'd be uncomfortable with that ...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhourj:
Hi,Dear friends, I looked at my sd card today and found that there are around 400mb random-number-named files in this folder. I want to know if I can just delete them?

And I searched the forum and found someone saying it's because the sd card not being properly unmounted from PC. (Or silimar actions) Please see here

I want to know, if it's true, then what is the proper procedure to unmount the card? Usually after I connect it to the pc, I either use the command in the drop down menu or the Mount-USB app on phone's desktop. when I finished with the file copying, then I click mount usb icon again, the word "usb card unmounted" appears (but can't remember exact word) and on the top notification area, it will say preparing sd card. I think that should be ok, right? Then I click safely remove the usb device in the pc then disconnect.

Did I do anything wrong?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lbcoder:
What you did wrong? You didn't unmount it!!!!

That means that the filesystem was left in an unsynchronized state, which means DAMAGED.

You need to UNMOUNT the filesystem before you can remount it on the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhourj:
Oh, Really?

"when I finished with the file copying, then I click mount usb icon again, the word "usb card unmounted" appears (but can't remember exact word) and on the top notification area, it will say preparing sd card. I think that should be ok, right? Then I click safely remove the usb device in the pc then disconnect. "

This operation is not UNMOUNT? then what is your routine after copying files via the phone usb connection?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lbcoder:
.... so you violently ripped the thing out of the host's kernel, breaking the filesystem, and then afterward, when the device is no longer accessible to the host's kernel, you decide to unmount it? How is your windoze box going to synchronize a filesystem that it NO LONGER HAS ACCESS TO?

Sure... that makes A LOT of sense!!!

(not...)

As I said, you need to UNMOUNT THE THING before remounting it somewhere else!!!!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sleeepy2:
The gentler way of saying that ^ is you need to unmount from windows first. then from the phone click the usb icon and unmount.

ezzy pzzy.

@lbcoder

At first I thought you were just a ****, but know I actually like your post. They make sense and make me laugh. Cheers.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lbcoder:
I know, I take some getting used to :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhourj:
Oh, Ok, I see.

But the thing is, (maybe because of the rom i used), when I remove the drive in windows first, there are several occasions that the phone unmount the card automatically and there are also notifications that the card is being prepared, then looks normal. And after that when I access the media on the sd card from the phone, the phone will not recognize the card. In Gallery all the thumbnails are lost and pictures can't be viewed. And from settings the card will not show up, no size information. It looks like it's mounted to the usb connection, but actually it's unmounted. because now if I click the mount usb, it will be mounted again and can be seen from windows.

I didn't use any android before nor did I familiar with linux. If it's a thumbdrive I'll just remove it from windows and it's fine. Here it's like two computer systems and I really don't know which action should take place at the first place. Also I never saw a post related with this problem.

At first I thought I should do the way as you said but strange thing always happen. So later I just did like I discribed before.

Maybe I should flash another rom? what do you think?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lbcoder:
When you correctly unmount the filesystem, the phone will properly detect that the filesystem has been changed, and therefore will be SMART ENOUGH to regenerate your MEDIA DATABASE.

You need to GIVE IT TIME TO FINISH!!!

This is the CORRECT BEHAVIOR!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r3s-rt:
I agree with this...

I aslo don't get this thread. I thought what he does is what you're supposed to do? I honestly just usually pull the USB cord out and go on about my business - isn't THAT what you're not supposed to do? Is this even what this thread is talking about? I'm seriously wtfing right now.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SpartusTana:
I lol'd at the "Violently ripped out..." part.

An image of the angry german kid, and a G1...

Personally I don't remove my SD card unless my phone is off (generally the only time I tinker with it is if I forget something while using recovery)

But think of it this way. If you yank out a flash drive in use from a computer there is risk of data loss, and the flash drive itself failing. I'd say it's a universal piece of knowledge that applies to all flash devices.

*points at you* Only YOU, can prevent data loss!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r3s-rt:
OHHH! Taking out sdcards... I only pull my out when it's off and don't have access to a computer that will mount my phone (which is one in a million times). Then again, I don't use ext partition. Still probably bad if I pulled out when it was on, but no where near as bad.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zhourj:
As you said, I also never yank out any flash drive or card reader without "safely remove the usb device". However, when I just connect phone to the PC using USB cord to read the data on the sd card, it makes it a little bit complicated, because what I saw on the phone. I'm not sure here. so I want to ask.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] brianmay27:
Did a quick search on the the forum and didnt find anythign..

Is this going to eventualy be able to be ported for the tilt2?

I have to say i am pissed on what it is looking like so far, I really liked windows mobile because it was different and had multaple devices that you could choese but I would like to try it at least.

I know it may be too early but thought I would see if someone knew
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aboogie8:
Windows 7

From what I have heard, All current wm 6 phones will not be able to upgrade to wm7. I beleive they are upgrading all phones that will have wm7 system with better, faster processors and the current phones dont have them and ultimately wm7 won't work on them. Consequently wm7 wont be coming out until well into 2011.....atleast the 3rd quarter.....as rumors have it that is....hope that helped.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
also it is rumored wm7 requires capacitive touch screens, we have resistive with the tp2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dahauss:
There will be NO WM7 for the TP2 .. Really I dont want it.. you wont be able to get all the COOL apps we have or do all the things we do to hack out phone as easy! all APPS will need to come through the app store like the apple iphone..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
yep, you also have to use internet explorer, bing search, bing maps, zune marketplace. you get no real customization or third party apps. its horrible. htc sense looks better tbh. what youre gonna want running on your phone in a year is android.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
I´m sure a great Chef will manage to port it in some way:cool:

Have a read on WP7 section to follow all details;)

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=605
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Aaron McCarthy:
Considering the HD2 has a capacitive screen and they were able to port that over to the touch pro 2 I'm sure it IS doable. They also had said they the Sense 2.5 interface would run to slow on our phones and now its blazing fast.

That said.... odd's are it'll get ported to the HD2 well before the touch pro 2.

I have no doubt that it'll get ported though, buy that time though I'd be ready to upgrade my phone anyway :P
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
It's extremely doubtful at best that this device will ever see Windows Mobile 7. One problem lies in with the hardware. Windows Mobile 7 will not be made or compiled for the MSM7xxx series of processor, only the newer, faster chipsets like the Tegra and Snapdragon. I don't see any way around that unless we can get the source and compile it ourselves. Next is the kernel. Windows Mobile is designed in such a way that the kernel must fully support the device's hardware. Windows Mobile isn't designed like Windows for PC, where you can simply put it on and it does all the driver work. We need full drivers to run Windows Mobile 7, drivers I might add do not and will never exist unless we write them.

In addition, what about the bootloader? The bootloader will very likley need to be updated so it will boot Windows Mobile 7, but how to go about doing that? Porting a new version of Windows Mobile is a hell of a lot harder than porting Sense 2.5 or any other software. It's also going to be completely different (and more difficult) than porting Windows Mobile 6.5 to Windows Mobile 5 or 6 devices, since the kernel is totally different.

I think that the only way this device will ever get Windows Mobile 7 is if someone has a Windows Mobile 7 Rhodium test ROM for internal use by Microsoft, and it gets leaked here. Otherwise, we're probably out of luck.

It's not that I don't want Windows Mobile 7 on the Rhodium, since I really do, I'm just thinking realistically.
[TG01 ROM Development] marcinkufel:
hi

maybe is posible to get toshiba stock rom without branding if we could find sombody with device from toshiba not mobile operator(orange,etc.). posibly that iemi could downloada update from toshiba webside and we could all flash it.

so if there is sombody with that device please let us know. much aprisiate.
[TG01 ROM Development] souljaboy:
a good way can be figuring out how to stop the auto cab install when u do a hardreset ...

i tried taking out the battery while it starts or closing it , but it simply just shows up a minute later ..
[TG01 ROM Development] ZedEx48K:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5917692&postcount=71
[TG01 ROM Development] souljaboy:
lol i guess ive been owned

thanks
[TG01 ROM Development] kevinpwhite:
The whole thing is just one big voyage of discovery !

You can also replace the welcomehead.192.png file and the poweroff.gif (animated) which goes a fair way to improving things. Just leaves the hard-coded initial Toshiba and Orange boot screens and otherwise a reasonably Orange-free experience.

Just save and then copy the folllowing two files into the Windows directory: