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[Windows Phone 7 General] andreiga:
If you can get the binaries hacking them will be very easy, for example you can look on the net for .NET Reflector or the new Red Gate's .NET Pro Reflector and see how easy can be done.

I'm using these tools on my job so I know how easy it can be done, all binaries from Silvelight (.xap files which are just zip files with .NET libraries) can be recompiled very easy.

BTW, I'm programing in .NET from the beginning (1.0) and Silverlight also from beginning (1.0) but I'm not going to do anything in MS-Animated-Rectangles OS, it's to limited to make professional (business) applications.

Regarding the user experience, my first PDA was an WinMo, it was to buggy and slow, I've switched to Symbian and had a very bad experience as how limited it is.

I thought Android was the right thing (had an HTC Hero), but after seeing how I cannot install applications on SD-card, no real mods, updates from HTC for the latest OS version is not coming even right now, java development ( :) , sorry I'm a .NET developer) I thought to give a try to HD2.

I'm just loving it, it has no restrictions, it is very fast, no more serious bugs from WinMo 6, I can change the UI how I wanted (ThrottleLauncher, MaxManilla, you name it...).

Sorry for this long post, but this is a very sad day for me. Why would I want an animated rectangles shell? They are not even 3D. You need 1Ghz CPU to display that? And why would need 1Gb of RAM if you're not going to do multitasking? Will there be applications with resources in size of 900Mb? Consider how much time will take for load all that data from internal memory when loading...

PS. Luckily I'm doing the architectural stuff where I'm working and nobody can push this crap on my throat :)

I hope tablets OS will not the have same problems.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Wilhelm:
The stone does have multitasking. You can kill two birds with it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I'd consider that limited multitasking, and WP7 has that aswell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chalid:
current xbox status is: mod you xbox and get banned.

you get a phone with microsofts OS. they are very clear on what they want: a closed OS without any modifications to the user interface and a closed marketplace. jailbreak it and maybe get you xbox account - which IS a microsoft service - banned.

why is that absurd?
[Windows Phone 7 General] D-MAN666:
Just so you know, see this post.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Moandal:
Since it's going to be locked down like the iPhone, they should change the name from WP7S to "wiPhone", pronounced WHY???phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
HA!!!!!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] link8506:
before saying that Windows Phone 7 is a complete fail, just wait Windows Phone 7 business to be announced... (it is coming for sure, it's not just a "guess")

I don't know what it will contain (sql server compact compatibility? non sandboxed development? native development?), but remember that so far, all the rumors were true (lack of multitasking, no retrocompatibility). The rumors about the media edition and the business editions of Windows Phone 7 are in fact true too, hence the name Windows Phone 7 SERIES. (this rumor even came from the same source as the earliers rumors which were confirmed)

I suppose microsoft is not announcing it yet because they want windows phone 7 media edition to succeed first (I suppose they want developers to accept to port their old WM6 apps to WP7 media edition sandboxed .net application model before telling them they can target WP7 business in a simpler, non sandboxed way too. They don't want developers to target only wp7 business, since the non sandboxed model is not secure)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
Source, please.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Fragmentation = BAD. Haven't we learned from old WM and Android?

MS needs to stick with ONE mobile OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Power users can also jailbreak the iPhone and get multitasking, file system, write application without getting Apple approval, and be completely free.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Revo-:
I bought an HTC HD2, but now I see people around me doing just THAT i wish I could revert time...
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
No point crying over spilled milk. Carefully consider your next decision. For me it is comparing between HTC Supersonic versus iPhone 4G.

What will keep me with iPhone are: larger screen and resolution, higher megapixel camera, even more awesome processor and speed, multitasking without jailbreaking, file explorere without jailbreaking, customization without jailbreaking,

What will drive me away from iPhone is if Apple do not deliver multitasking/file explorer/customization capability and yet manage to completely block jailbreakers from tweaking their phone to have those features.

I'm very interested in HTC Supersonic, assuming it's touch screen technology got rid of all the current defects.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pandemoniumone:
This moronic statement you've made here defines the kind of person you are, a moron... imho.
[Windows Phone 7 General] link8506:
sorry I can't say, but it's a reliable source, I learnt about it a few days ago :)

I can say for sure that it is coming, I just can't say when.

But it's actually a good news to know that professionnal users are not going to stay on WM6.5 "forever".

Microsoft is not going to dump the enterprise market!

(you'll see in a few months that I wasn't lying :) )
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tanmay®:
Theres no Business Edition per se but what Microsoft is going to do is Individually allow Business and Companies to implement softwares via Side loading deployment i.e. without Marketplace.

WP7S will have Copy Paste and its been already confirmed. It won't be there initially, but it will be there soon enough!

About multi tasking, the way WP7S handles this is good enough for most users! Microsoft is focusing on the wider consumer market here. The User Experience for such a userbase is infinitely better provided by WP7S than by the f'ed up WM 6.5!

WP7S is no where near a fail. WP7S will succeed! To all those who bash it by saying no Multitasking, no copy paste and compare it with a stone did the same with iPhone 3 yrs back. But those morons got their answer now with the huge success of the iPhone!

Same thing will happen here, people who are calling it a fail now will soon understand that this change is for the better. Better quality applications, better no. of applications, more profit for developers, better User Experience and more importantly a more stable OS!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It's never been confirmed, and nobody even hinted anything about "soon enough".
[Windows Phone 7 General] zen_livin:
i hate to say

but maybe its time to leave windows mobile with other OS maybe android..

I've been using WM since 2003, WM 5 WM6 WM 6.1 WM 6.5

the sooner release more disappointing .. :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] K159:
a) Not being able to use the phone as a usb storage device is surely limiting, as it would make data exchange easier in the rare cases where there is no network connectivety. Nevertheless for the 1.0 release MS should focus on syncong content over the network and make this really work as this is the most important and common use case (or shortly will be).

b) Sure it's possible - via the network (WLAN/WiFi, 3G, ...).

c) Files can be downloaded via the web browser or via HTTP by every application on the phone. FTP is dead anyway.

d) Accroding to the MWC press conference WP7S is not an app launcher/switcher but task oriented. The WP7S UX is a game changer wheras the app oriented model is so 1990s. In the old model you would have separate applications for separate tasks in WP7S you would have plugins to the hubs to achieve this. Want to edit images? Installl plugins into the pictures hub. Want to edit music or video? Install plugins. Office documents? Plugin.

If the phone has enough internal memory I don't care about SD cards. SD cards are hard to use (for me) since they are so small - I prefer downloading/syncing content via WLAN/3G.

Copy and paste is 1990s as well and overrated. Still I would like to have it for the rare cases that there is no direct and more natural way of data exchange possbile.

For copy and paste there are basically two use cases and in both cases c&p in reality is a kludge and not a proper solution:

a) rearrange content in a document - using select ánd drag&drop is more natural for me and the preferred way of doing it on a touch device.

b) data exchange - it would rather have import/export/sync functionality built into the application than c&p bolted on. I want my application to recognise content and offer content specific functionality like accelerators in IE8 only better (hopefully).

P7S does support multitasking. GPS tracking will be possbile (amongst other things).

Most of the advanced stuff was only necessary on WM6.x because the OS sucked so hard and you had to invest so much time and effort to make it usable.

Emailing yourself is only neccesary on the iPhone because Apple failed to deliver usabilitywise. Microsoft has choosen a different approach with WP7S and it looks like it solves most of the prolbems but we have to wait for real HW to see if that approach really works.

With WP7S you will spent most of your time in the hubs and will have direct access to the content. Information won't be locked inside application silos anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] K159:
Yet another proof why WM6.x failed in the market place.

I would add a bookmark/favourite and in my mobile browser have it sync to all my devices (desktop, notebook, phone, ...) in the background automatically. This is how it is supposed to be.

They did check the calendar and that's why they left c&p out.

It would be nice to have c&p as a backup/kludge but not was primary way for doing data exchange between applications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
This would be the ideal solution.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
In America, Apple iPhone is the Nike shoe. It's all about the image, and people couldn't care how overpriced and underpowered it is.

I'm just waiting to hear about someone killing somebody, for their iPhone.

No they won't. Microsoft tried that with Zune vs iPod, and it got them nowhere.

The smart phone market will be divided in half. One half will be iPhone owners, and the other will be Android/Symbian owners. Even then, it'll be a matter of time before Android/Symbian over takes iPhone.

Apples restrictions on the iPhone will come to bite them in the ass eventually. Though, I have a feeling that we'll see a iPhone with an SD card slot before that happens.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Wrong.

// More characters over the limit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] CSMR:
They are a way for the user to adapt storage to his (current) needs.

Otherwise you have a few-sizes-fit-all approach which

-is less competitive

-gives less choice: you won't get many phones with 40Gb storage, which you can do currently with 8Gb internal+32Gb SD

-doesn't allow upgrading

More importantly, you can't access the file system at all! So actually you can't transfer files to your device unless you use proprietary methods. No thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
That's like saying breathing is so 1990's. Copy and paste is a core mechanic of any OS out there. How do you get songs on your phone? How about your movies? Documents? Games? Pictures?

The only reason Microsoft won't include copy and paste is because of copyright. It's a form of DRM. Just like Apple.

SD card is hard to use, but syncing contect via WLAN/3G isn't? BTW, can anyone truly say that they always have enough memory?

SD cards are cheaper then getting the memory built into the phone. Plus, you can always swap it out, if you run out of room. I'd like to know that I always have the ability to expand my memory, and not be limited.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Definitely not. I hate any gadget that limits you to particular memory. There's always something to put on those cards!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] bestfan:
to me, WM 7 is complete fail too..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
What would you rather?

1GB NAND and up to 32GB micro SD

-or-

64GB NAND

The fact here is that although not all phones will have a ton of memory, the better ones will have more memory then a current MicroSD can store. Internal storage isn't as limited by space restrictions as a MicroSD is so they can always pack more into them. I say wait for the phone that hits the top of what's available and you won't have to worrie about a card because any card will only have half of what it can provide.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Kloc, well said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
If I can access the contents and use the device as a USB flash drive, there is nothing wrong with built in storage.

However, that will not be the case. Thus: SD card!
[Windows Phone 7 General] miles_muso:
Hi All,

I don't normally contribute to this forum as it's slightly too technical for me, although I often use it as a source of info if MoDaCo can't help me. However, I've been following this thread and have one question to ask:

If WP7 is going to be so un-hackable, and WM6.5 is currently being hacked sucessfully, then why not just keep on developing for WM6.5??

Although no fan of the Manilla interface (I use SPB's Mobile Shell), I am generally pleased with the continuing improvements in cooked ROMs for my Omnia 900i, and it does everything I need. I'm sure there will be more improvements in the months ahead, no doubt due to work by you guys here at XDA. True, my next phone (when I decide I need one) will probably run Android once the apps I want start being ported, but up till then I'm very happy with WM6.5.

Just because Microsoft have developed WP7 doesn't mean we have to ditch WM6.5!!

Especially as WP7 is, to all extents and purposes, a 'new' OS rather than an upgrade. After all, electric cars are all the rage right now, but my petrol-based car is still working fine, thank you very much!
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
How do you know that you can't access the phone like a flash drive? If iPhone can do it why can't wp7s?
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
iPhone can't do it!
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
You obviously don't know the fact here my friend.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I've seen it they can do it. Just not standard. Either has to be jailbroken or have a special app on the pc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Is the world now really going crazy?!

Please, show me how the iPhone can be used as USB flash storage!

Without jailbreaking, please. I don't want to play that cat and mouse game. And even with jailbreaking, I've never seen an iPhone connect as USB storage, without any extra tools on the PC.

(and no, accessing the pictures taken with its camera is NOT enough)
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Why no jailbreaking all of a sudden? Yet you probably have no issue doing a hardspl, flashing custom ROM, or root your Android phone. Don't like to tweak? Didn't I repeatedly say that the day Steve Jobs stops jailbreaking will be the day i denounce iPhone unless critical features are built in?

Even if you don't jailbreak, you can use it as a USB drive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
That's what I find on that matter: http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies-archive.cfm/1313702.html

1) Jailbreak necessary

2) You still can't access the files through apps on your iPhone, cause there's no shared folder that any app can access.

Conclusion: It's useless. And so is WP7S, because it's also lacking that crucial feature.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Even after jailbreaking, you can't do much.

On Android and WM6.5, you can simply copy files to the phone and access them through any application.

On Android, apps even search the file system for files automatically, so you don't have to hunt for them using a file explorer!

On iPhone and WP7S: Not possible. That sucks, seriously (maybe you don't care, but I do - it just makes a lot of things a lot easier to do - so much for "ease of use" on locked down platforms).
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
You assume that because there is a way to do it with jailbreaking it must mean that it cannot be done in a different way without jailbreaking.

I'm sure your point about being able to access any directory with any application may be correct, but that does not mean you must have storage card which is what we're discussing here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
No, I don't assume. I know it, cause I have an iPhone (though I didn't use it for some time).

You can access it via WiFi, but that's just as useless.

Remember how that discussion started!

I said I didn't need a storage card IF I could access the phone's file system or at least a shared user folder through USB and apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Well, in that case I must say you don't know your iPhone very well.

I don't believe the lack of storage card in wp7s will make it a fail. If it fails it will not be due to this.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
As I said, I didn't use it for quite some time.

Now, tell me a way to drag'n'drop files to my iPhone through USB and access them on the phone (not only with one app, but with all) as well as access them from another PC that doesn't run special software!

So? Now is your chance to make me use that iPhone again!
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
I'm not in the business of converting you from Android to iPhone. For all you know I might later on need you to convert me to Android.

Anyway we're only talking about copying files to and from PC when discussing whether or not the lack of storage card is fatal before the conversation turned to iPhone. Here are some non-jailbreak means to do it:

http://www.iphonelife.com/blog/2427/three-user-friendly-solutions-accessing-your-iphone-usb-drive

Whether or not all applications can access files on all the directory is a different issue and has to do with the sandboxing approach in the current firmware. Speculation is that this will change in the coming OS but it's still yet to be seen. The presence/absence of storage card would not make any difference to this limitation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Well, I certainly should have been a bit clearer from the beginning.

Just copying files to the phone is not enough for me. I want to be able to access them on the phone. I hate having to use various apps for syncing. It's so easy on Android, you just copy a file to the phone and the apps will do the rest. There's nothing easier than a simple drag'n'drop.

That's what I want. If I get that, I can live with the lack of an SD card slot. If not...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
You've lost me here. If not, why do you need SD card on your phone, sorry? If you could access files from all apps, SD card would be nice. If not, what's the point in removable storage again?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Several reasons...

1. No limit. With 32GB built-in, you have 32GB, minus all that is used for the OS and core programs and applications. With an expansion slot, you have 32GB + whatever card you choose to use. Plus, having an expansion slot can also be compared to having your drives split up. We all know that the more space you take up on your built-in drive, the slower the entire machine goes, especially on hardware that doesn't defragment.

2. Honestly, when I install something to my storage card now, I can wipe out the entire phone and when I go into the storage card, the application is still there; only thing missing is the shortcut. That makes life a bit easier. Most registry keys are instantly regenerated with the running of the .exe file.

3. Multiple choice question: Smash your phone on the ground hard; it breaks into many many pieces that are difficult if not impossible to repair. Which files are still obtainable for you?

A. Files on the phone's built-in storage

B. Files on the removable storage card

4. Removable storage cards make for some interesting use of "virtual drives". How many of us utilize GPS software for our phones because it's been "installed" to our storage card? How many of us have at least one piece of software or application that is only working because it's installed to the storage card? (You KNOW what I'm talking about here, but we don't have to come out and say it)

5. If the phone does not have file exploration and when connected to a PC, does not have file exploration through the PC connection, who's stopping you from removing the storage card, using an adapter, and then exploring the card via your PC? It makes some file exploration possible.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kholk:
I need SD Card on my phone because I can put data on it and use the same card with another phone, or in a cardreader for my PC if I don't have my device's USB cable with me.

Or I need an SD Card because.. look at the HTC Touch Diamond: it has got a 4GB internal storage, not upgradeable and not supporting SD Cards. Look at its speed that was really good when it came out, but now it isn't good anymore for one simple reason: technology's advancing.

Well, think of an old device, like the HTC Touch Pro (Raphael), that is substantially a Diamond with QWERTY keyboard, without internal storage, with MicroSD slot.

On the HTC Touch Diamond, using the internal storage, you can transfer your files at about 3MB/s.

On the HTC Touch Pro, using MicroSD cards, you can have 16GB of storage and Class6 rating for your MicroSD that implies that you'll get data transfers at a minimum of 6MB/s, but you can always get a Class10 or a future class 11/12/13/14/15/16.......blahblahblah, with 32GB of storage (SDXC) or more etc.

As you can see, MicroSD card support, a thing that seems replaceable, it's really, really useful.

Too bad for Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
SD card would mean that you could access files from all apps. Otherwise, they would have to encrypt the card etc., which is an effort that doesn't make sense at all.