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[Windows Phone 7 General] Logicalstep:
I guess it's all down to drivers and how similar WinPhoS is to 6.5.x. I mean if it's practically the same, maybe the 6.5.x Hardware drivers will work with a bit of tweaking.

Logicalstep
[Windows Phone 7 General] lagbaja:
I think it's possible, It seems the man in the video is using an hd2 phone - http://www.istartedsomething.com/20100318/new-windows-phone-7-series-promo-from-mix10/
[Windows Phone 7 General] ragdoll20:
Huh?? I never saw that video :confused: thats crazy, what the hell were they thinking? also, didnt htc tell us like a year ago that we WOULD get the upgrade..

anyways, dont really wanna go off track here, there are already 34,600 threads on the HD2 not getting the upgrade, i want this one to be about how likely a custom rom would be :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] young blade:
Here's a snapshot..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
We already know that the driver architecture has changed completely.

They definitely did not.

It really does all come down to the question of whether or not there is a working version of WP7S running on an HD2 somewhere already; and such a thing must have been created with a great deal of input from Microsoft. If this exists, and it leaks, then that might be used as the basis for a custom ROM. If it doesn't exist, or it doesn't leak, it's not going to happen.

The problem, as already alluded to, is drivers: the only possible source of device drivers for a WP7S custom ROM is Microsoft - they need to have specifically written drivers for HD2 hardware.

Even if such a thing does leak in somewhat unfinished form, there are still some question-marks. For example, unless it allows the HD2 to treat an installed SD card as if it were built-in flash memory, you would be limited to just half a gigabyte of storage space for everything - photos, videos, apps, the lot. (Real WP7S phones won't use SD cards at all, they will only have built-in memory.)
[Windows Phone 7 General] XDA mark:
Very good point. And half a gigabyte for everything is really, really not enough.

This is why I never look at custom ROMs and stuff like that. Even if somebody gets 7 Series working on the HD2 (or Android), it will not be a good experience. If the HD2 was not meant for 7 Series, you should not try to change it's fate (or whatever haha). If you want 7 Series: get a 7 Series device. If you want Android: get an Android device.

Btw, that movie somebody posted of the man with the HD2 running 7 Series: beautiful! I knew it would look incredible... so so bad, that it is not getting that upgrade. But hey, I am looking forward to the HTC Desire :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mazzarin:
Not to nitpick but the emulator has shown that there is SD card support, just artificially disabled (likely.) If we were to get a dev ROM, I'd imagine it would had support included for that very reason (512 just aint enough!) :)

Again, unlikely though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] xma1e:
Also. MS might delibertaly put swomething in the code to make sure it will not work with the HD2.

As for the video. Yes they are using a HD2, but this doesn't mean that it was running WP7s. They could easily have overlayed the image of the OS ontop of the original video in post-production. Otherwise did you also think that the screens float in the air above the phone too? It does in the video.:p
[Windows Phone 7 General] Alize:
Not quite true, Microsoft have stated (see engadget) that although the OS will still support SD cards (albeit internal), they're restricting hardware makers to put the SD cards in the device to prevent users swapping them out, if one was to disassemble their device and swap the SD card, then they should lose all their data however, they could get it all back from "the cloud".
[Windows Phone 7 General] riisesky:
i thinks its very likely, remember years back when i had htc magician and scrapping for wm 6.1 in it, everybody says that impossible so i had to buy hermes and dang when i rest magian and use hermes, godlike collatula make wm 6.1 run on magician

so, i still believe leo can run WM7
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
#1 Windows Phone 7 sucks. It's actually a downgrade from WM6.5.

#2 Phone 7 should technically work on HD2, so long as someone makes a rom with it.

#3 Hope Android development progresses really fast for HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
I'm not sure that Microsoft did actually say that. What they said was along the lines of "WP7S won't support a removable memory card"; Engadget pounced on the word "removable" and the rest was based purely on speculation.
[General Topics] jon_570:
i recently sent my G1 in for repair...it would not ever find service.. i called htc and they said it was warrenty and would fix it.. i sent it in and they replaced the mainboard,and the radio cable was damaged..they said if i receive it and its not unlocked to call back and they will give me the unlock code...only two one day to repair and its in final testing... this is awesome.. then when i get ti back its time to re unroot and load some roms..anyone else have real good experience like this with them
[General Topics] galaxys:
Welcome to XDA! Many have had good expierence & many have had not so good...
[General Topics] orb3000:
I just sent my Topaz to HTC service repair, will comment later my experience, but as now great telephone asistance;)
[Nexus One General] JAW$:
Hi, All

Don't you think it would be sweet, if there was Radio released like the HD2 Update that unlocked 64MB Extra memory for the Nexus One.

The comparison with the Desire would be finished.

JAW$
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
It would be nice, but it's already so fast I don't think it would make a difference for the majority of Nexus One users.
[Nexus One General] JAW$:
But the comparison question would more or less finish
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
There already isn't.

/cough

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[Nexus One General] setzer715:
Dont understand why you need it. Just looked at my phone with 19 processes running and 200 Mb avail. At any given time I never have less than 100Mb free mem. Does the Sense UI use more memory? Is that why you think we need more?
[Nexus One General] JAW$:
I know that, but still will change the mind of future buyers
[Nexus One General] TFJ4:
I find it funny this is coming from someone running the stock rom which means he's not getting all the ram there regardless...but hey, that's just me :D
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Yeah, this thread is kinda silly... :D
[Nexus One General] JAW$:
Just Making small talk
[Nexus One General] iVisionX01:
Sense UI doesn't use much more I usually have 100MB to 200MB free with Sense UI. Also my phone feels much smoother with Sense UI rather than stock. On top of all that, we don't even have all our 512MB unlocked. I think its like 395MB.
[HD2 General] Bobins24:
I wrote to HTC to ask how they measured their "up to 490 hours on Standby" and "up to 380 mins talk time" referred to in their HD2 website specification especially as people like myself were experiencing the battery going flat in <24 hours with almost zero usage of the phone.

Here's their official reply.

Thank you for your email. The specifications that you have referenced are laboratory test conditions, and are not indicative of real-world performance, nor do they take into account the considerable drain incurred by the myriad services and programs that run as a matter of course on Windows Mobile 6.5, as well as any other background applications that may be running, which may not be readily apparent. Please be advised that these laboratory test figures are in line with EU regulations concerning the testing of mobile device batteries, and the real-world battery time that you have quoted of 20-24 hours is well within what we would expect of this device. We have recently released a large capacity battery for use with the HD2, and this can be purchased from the following link :- http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=195058

So in simple terms, we mislead you in our advertising and you'll be lucky to get the battery to last 24 hours. We can't fix it so buy a bigger battery!

What's the point in publishing performance data that has no relationship to "real-world" conditions. Most customers won't be using the phone in a laboratory.

Perhaps we should start a new campaign to get HTC to be more honest about "real-world" expectations.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Because as they said that measurement procedure is a standard that everybody follows, so it would be stupid to do it differently, why "not lie" when everybody does so (and they actually probably wouldn't be allowed to do it differently).
[HD2 General] rumz82:
What can i say........except that HTC should look in to the real world more often! :D
[HD2 General] afropolak:
I use many phones, from htc, and from other company , my last two nokia phones was "business versions" with "everlasting" battery - first e65 least 40h , second - better version - only 22h ( e66) - it's normal - in this world
[HD2 General] Bobins24:
If HTC say it's a standard EU process, then perhaps we should campaign to get the EU standard changed as the current published figures give no indication of the phones real performance.

Don't get me wrong, I love the phone but I've never seen one like this go flat in such a short time when on standby.
[HD2 General] cgrec92:
i love how they say it lasts up to 490 hours on standby, but 24 hours is what they would expect

it's actually ridiculous how deceitful these companies are, we deserve better than this

it's not right that they lie right to our faces to what we are getting and how we have no rights

just not right.
[HD2 General] Gustopher:
I think we need a bit of a reality check here. I'm not especially inclined to defend HTC but they have a point about the stuff that may be running on the phone. Anyone who has tried some new toys must have encountered one that sucks the life out of the battery for no obvious reason - scale that down and extrapolate across a raft of apps that most of us here will have on our phones and you will get a host of variations in terms of battery life...which is exactly what we do get.

Secondly, as kilrah said, that's the way battery life is measured. Instead of whining about it we should treat it as a relative indicator against other phones because that's about all it is good for. I suspect most say 'up to...' in small letters in front of their stand by and talk times anyway.

If I were to buy a car because the specs say that it does 40 miles to the gallon I'd be a mug to expect it to do that when I'm thrashing down the motorway towing a trailer with the windows and sun roof open. But I might well buy it in preference to a car that claims 30 mpg because in the long run it will probably cost me less in running costs.

You pays your money and you takes your choice...I don't personally see any significant misrepresentation in this, but there may be a little end user misunderstanding?
[HD2 General] eDaniel:
No surprise here. I observed the same discrepancy on all my phones till now - Motorola, Nokia, Samsung, Siemens, Ericsson, Sony Ericsson, HTC.

Actually I use my phone a lot and I'm more than happy with its performance so far - huge and bright screen, powerful CPU... What are your expectations? 48 hours? A week?

If you think, this is something impressive, go and buy yourself a new monitor and then just measure the advertised contrast ratio - 10000:1 ? Seriously? In fact it is only 700:1. Nothing more to say.

Watch Out: Crazy Contrast Ratios
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Exact. And especially on smartphones it's absolutely impossible for the manufacturer or a standards organisation to imagine how you will use your device.

If they can quote anything, it's stock configuration, open the box, put sim card in, press power on, enter your pin, put phone in standby, leave it there, note how long it lasts. That's all.

Knowing that you can do so many things on it, install so many programs that can do what they want to the phone, and that depending on usage the battery life can vary anywhere between 2 hours and 4 days it's totally impossible, by whatever means, to quote something realistic.
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
When you buy a WM device (or any other Lith-Ion device for that matter) you should know what to expect with regards to battery life, it's not rocket science.

Lithium-Ion batteries are poor, until battery technology is improved it's what we should have come to expect.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
That's a bit simplistic, knowing that firstly there's nothing better yet, and secondly the good old phones we had that were lasting a whole week were also using the same batteries or even worse NiMH ones.

It's a combination of a lot of things.
[HD2 General] zipolly:
battery life

I turned htc sense off on my phone and now the battery lasts 2-2.5 days with what i would deem reasonable use ie using the internet checking emails texting and 4 or 5 calls a day , if i turn sense back on the battery life drops to about 15 hours so i can live without sense !!! Im far more concerned about the speaker problems and pink photos than the battery :o)
[HD2 General] Kalavere:
I assume you are replying to me? :p

After having 4 HTC devices, I didn't expect anything more from the HD2 than I got from the Wizard or my Kaiser or my Diamond, if anything it was obviously going to be poorer due to the huge screen, hardware and all the software I knew I would be using.
[HD2 General] bobbified:
I think your best chance of getting their claimed hours would be by:

1. Completely charging the battery;

2. Use a bare-bone ROM with absolutely nothing installed

3. Switching off all radio signals.. (that is, put the phone in flight mode so that the phone is not transmitting like wireless, bluetooth or anything else at all...)

4. leaving the phone on standby with the screen off.

Of course, noone uses their phone like that, but HTC have used the term "up to" to protect themselves... :rolleyes:

HTC would be stupid to change the way they rate their times since every other company is using the same method. I doubt anyone would want to buy a phone that says "Standby Up to 24hours" when every other phone has "Standby Up to 500hours" :D At best, the rated hours could be used as a comparison/indicator against other phones.
[HD2 General] smeddy:
I'm celebrating two weeks into life with my HD2, and after suffering water damage with my HD which had no effect except to bring battery life down to 8 hours a day, I'm really pleased with my 24-28 hours of battery life.

On days I'm using it a lot, I expect 15 hours. However the other day I barely touched the phone (no calls, no music, no random turning on the screen) and I was on 65% after 24 hours, which I felt was good.

I agree with the OP, their quotes are a joke, but I don't look at specs, I look at reviewers to tell me "I expect a day's life from this phone" etc. when I choose a phone. With a screen this size I don't expect miracles, but again, it does feel like a blatant lie when they suggest the phone can sit for weeks without dying, and i give manufacturers (including HTC) no credit for being economical with the truth to their customers.
[HD2 General] erosennin:
My SEX1 used to last a few hours more, having a smaller screen, larger battery, and less than half the processor. They specced same timings, as I said I got a few hours more. I doubt Iphone or any other manufacturer, will spec their device like, Standby time 24hrs, talk time 4 hrs. Who would buy such a device?

Anyway I didn't expect it to last any longer. Good thing is I'm in front of my pc for long hours, no harm in letting the phone plugged in.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
Isn't draining the Li-Ion actually shortens the battery life?

I'm told that letting the battery get lower than 2.3v isn't a good thing.

Let the battery get low, but not low enough for auto-shutdown
[HD2 General] dgtel2:
It's called Business Opportunity

All companies all over the world is like HTC.

Whenever there is a problem, they will direct you to purchase something to "solve" the problem.

HD2 problem that we are facing is poor battery performance (if you enable non-Sense). "Solution" is to buy bigger capacity battery.

Problem : screen easily crack

HTC "solution" : tampered glass screen (if HTC would advertise...)

Problem : Screen too sensitive

HTC "solution" : special screen protector (if HTC would advertise...)

Problem : this, that, this , that,

HTC "solution" : you pay, we gain profit!

That's the real world scenario....

Conclusion : HTC = poor quality product(s) at expensive price.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Auto forced shutdown is at 3.6V, which has a lot of margin not to cause damage.

Sensible solution: if you want battery life of more than 1-2 days, do not get a smartphone, especially not one that has the fastest processor on the market and a 4.3" screen. And read reviews that will tell you "you'll get 1-2 days" and "it lasts just a bit more than an iphone". I.e. Educate yourself.

Sensible solution: Realise you have a large piece of GLASS in front of you, and take care of it as such. Don't drop it, don't sit on it,...

We know how the HD2 behaves. If you read a couple of reviews, you know too. If you now buy it and still complain, there's not much we, or HTC, can do for you.
[HD2 General] graemenwallace:
Hi,

Does any one know how to alter the ".COM" key on the email keyboard which has the choices ".COM, .NET, .ORG, .GOV" to include ".CO.UK"?

I am more than happy to just have ".COM & .CO.UK" as my choices.

Hope someone has a solution - I searched through the threads, but found nothing.

Thanks.

Graeme
[HD2 General] graemenwallace:
HD2 Keyboard fix - help someone!

Still no one has come up with a solution!

Surely some one must know how to alter the HD2 keyboard so that when I press and hold in the ".com" key, it can include ".co.uk"!

PLEASE, some one help!!

:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] brookegray:
Ok I have a Sprint HTC Touch Pro 2 which is both CDMA and GSM. I want to be able to customize things like the clock icons, etc. I keep reading about having to flash but there are so many out there I am not sure which one I need. Help!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] acidbath5546:
No Problem....if you are using Sprint, you want CDMA.

The best collection of CDMA Roms are over in PPC Geeks forums here:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/forumdisplay.php?f=98

In my personal opinion, the best ROMs are NRGZ Energyroms :

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86489
[Hero CDMA General] Roman G:
The reason I am asking is I have just horrible results listening to music through the headset!

I have tried a couple different headsets with the same results, they all skip and pause like at least 5 times a minute!

As a experiment this morning I took my wifes original instinct to the gym with me and used that for an hour and it was flawless.

So anyway I was just kinda hoping it might work!

Thanks

Roman
[Hero CDMA General] azyouthinkeyeiz:
No it doesn't...
[Hero CDMA General] Avalaunchmods:
I noticed this too. What rom are you using
[Hero CDMA General] danknee:
I have used a2dp bluetooth with my car stereo on Darch's rom, Flip's and Damage's. They all have had the same BT hiccuping issues. Mine is more like once every five minutes, but occasionally it freaks out.

Really I am just waiting for the official 2.1 release to come out and then I will go to an AOSP build (come on Darch!). I expect this issue will be sorted out then.
[Hero CDMA General] Roman G:
I am using Damage, but it's been off with all the roms I have used! Although it does seem worse with damage! I am thinking about trading with the wife, the bluetooth at the gym is way more important to me!

It really seems to me not a lot is known about A2DP other than it seems kinda unreliable to many, but works great for some!

I really don't know what the hell is wrong, but i am tired of researching it and trying to find a fix!
[Hero CDMA General] Roman G:
Just wondering why you expect it to be sorted out?
[Hero CDMA General] danknee:
Because in the official 1.5 build a2dp worked without this issue... and an official CDMA 2.1 build has not been released yet.
[Hero CDMA General] Roman G:
Ah I see, I had never tried bluetooth on 1.5 yet, so maybe I will do my nandroid and see how it works!
[Hero CDMA General] danknee:
Post your results. I was using the stock 1.5 build, but rooted. Now I am running Damage's 2.1 build with Flips new radio.
[Hero CDMA General] Roman G:
Well I did my nandroided back to 1.5 about an hour ago, and since then I have been running around cleaning house!

In the same room with my phone absolutely no skips, when I walk out of the room a few skips and the farther away I get the more skips I get, but not important to me as the phone will be on me when I am listening to music anyway!

Using the phone while listening to music only presented a few skips as well!

Using any Rom while doing the above would have left the music skipping at least 5 times a minute!

So all in all I guess I got it solved, although I am stuck on 1.5 as it seems, but i am stuck with the question of why does it not work so well on any Roms that I have used!

Thanks to you danknee you have made me a happy man(well as happy as a man can be cleaning house) as I have spent countless hours searching for an answer to this!

Edit:

Forgot to add that I am still rooted, but all stock!
[Hero CDMA General] danknee:
Good to hear. Your results sound about the same as mine. I use my phone in a stationary car bracket (ProClip) that is positioned about 1.5 feet away from the A2DP BT radio (Sony with built in receiver).

With this setup my 1.5 was outstanding, but all the 2.1 builds have been very sporadic. I thought it was data connection issues with the 2.1 builds, but tried locally stored music and video with the same issues (narrowing the issue down to BT).
[Hero CDMA General] Roman G:
Just wanted to give another update:

Went to the gym today and did 20 mins on the treadmill and 30 mins on the bike and about 15 mins playing B-ball! I had one skip that was like 1 100th of a second skip, could of even been the song!

Now my question: Why do most of the Roms not work very well with A2DP?

Thanks again danknee!

Roman
[Hero CDMA General] RTessi:
from other things i have read, android has some weird issue with the way it handles bluetooth, which has clearly been resolved with 1.5 given the results that i can attest to, but possibly not as high a priority for 2.x since they haven't even really gotten it out yet and probably have more basic issues to take care of first?

just a thought...

R
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] roachyuk:
is this out for windows mobile cant seem to find it thanks
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Bruce Inman:
Haven't seen just Yahoo, but many aps for multiple IM platforms such as IM+, Palringo, BJive, etc.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] roachyuk:
and you can log in yahoo on them aswell?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Bruce Inman:
Yes along with AIM, Facebook, MySpace, Google Chat, Window messenger, etc.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] j_svas:
Here it is, from one of the best Nhathoa (all credits to him) http://htcpedia.com/forum/showpost.php?p=48415&postcount=243
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 3kgt:
Hi all,

I need a Simple Disconnecting app ! No other funktions ..One That Really Works !

I have used CommMgrPro_V2.7. and its To advanced and i dont need all that stuff! you have to read a manual to use that app!

I have used WM Loonglife 0,65-0287

and for me it DOSENT work !

I have Reinstalled the Phone Completly (Hard Reset) 3 times.. and that app Just Dosent work!

I want it to be 3G, but its Always 2G!

I want it to Dissconect Idle Connections, But Nope!

And yes i have tested every mode, and read the forum about that app and all tips ..But it simply dosent work..

So is There any other Simple app to spare my Battery and disconnect idle connections ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] aeropatel:
you can try using BandSwitch 1.2.3. Thats the last free version. Install it, open the utility, check "close idle conn" and set the time to 60 sec or whatever you prefer. Hit, "Hide Page" and soft reset. It auto starts and runs in the background so once you have it setup like above, no need to change anything.