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[G1 General] buzzdroidx:
only half of you got it right...

As another employee in the industry, hehe an installer. (currently we are indeed building the Wimax network in LA), 4G aka WiMax is on a frequency completely different than EVDO hence if your radio can support those frequencies than you can make and recieve calls on it. same with GSM and LTE. (ATT/T-Mo). the mentioned HSDPA+ or HSUPA+ is actually 3.5 G many have mentioned this already. In fact technically LTE is still 3.5G. Not even 4G yet. The only way anyone can change this phone to make a connection on a 4G network is if that code can indeed change the radios ability to use the frequencies and the way the signal is coded. Maybe the radio has a broader spectrum than we realize and is code bound to (only) certain frequncies. The other half of this which makes it difficult to beleive is the radios ability to actually utilize the type of transmission code that is part of the newer technology. If it is truly capable and only software bound then maybe they have stumbled onto a very good thing. The radio has to be able to read the right code at the right frequency. The downside of all of this might be the fact that T-mo wont be using 4G for a long time if at all. sorry for being so long winded.... hope they are onto a neat trick...but not holding my breath. oh and one more kicker... all of these technologies and frequencies are somewhat in a way proprietary to the individual carriers, ie rights to use them or IP and if this was the case to softmod your phone well heck you theoretically could also softmod in any carrier and why not all...and have a true world-phone. not an option some dev will be coming up with anytime soon unless there is some great secret about to break loose... sorry
[G1 General] wesgarner:
hey kudos for the forward on this, will def be implementing this code into my kernel (private branch, sorry)

Seriously guys, we are working around trying to play with this code and see what we can get out of it

Give us a few weeks, but we promise it will make you smile
[G1 General] thepawn:
I'm not doubting they have code that may make their network access faster, and I look forward to what they put it...its just NOT "4G" by any definition of what the industry has used so far (LTE or WiMax)... so what tech is it? HSPA-Evolved? HSPA+ 21?

I imagine its related to the HSPA+ (21Mbs) deployment that started in Philly.

Technically, even the current WiMax and LTE plans are not even "4G" as defined by ITU-R. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G)
[G1 General] Sheldonjace:
Whats that??? You say I can be in your private branch club?!?!

Why thank you sooo much :D
[G1 General] darkessdesire:
brooklyn ny speed test

right now i just tested my speed using speedtest app and i get 2.28mbps download and 0.83mbps uploads and when im close to work its even faster:p:D
[G1 General] jamiefly:
4G on existing kit - no

HSPDA isn't 4G & 3G kit can't process 4G signals - some the European carriers are testing 4G and I understand one Scandinavia network has rolled out some coverage but it's only configured for data ( no voice) using modems - very interested to see some more facts......
[G1 General] superg05:
t-mobile has released 3.5g but not 4g i have a 3.5g phone the nokia n900 at the most i just get 5 to 6mb downstream when lucky in dallas,tx
[G1 General] Izord:
Moscow has 4G

Moscow has been saturated for over a year with 4G coverage. My wife bought a 4G dongle last April with a pay as you go monthly, all the data you can download. And it was very fast. About $30 dollars a month.

I set up a dropsite and uploaded data to her, and she could download it faster than I could upload on Cox's fastest cable plan.
[G1 General] reuthermonkey:
There is so much ignorance being spread around in this thread that I'm baffled to see it on a "technically savvy" forum like XDA.

I mean, seriously, do none of you do research? A simple wikipedia search would clear up so many of the misconceptions being passed around.

1. There's no such thing as HSDPA+ or HSUPA+

Upgrades to UMTS go like this:

UMTS -> HSPA (which includes 1.6/3.6/7.2 HSDPA and 0.7/1.4/2.0 HSUPA) -> HSPA+ (HSPA evolved)

2. The physical radios in our G1's, Magics, Heros, Nexus One's, etc.. only support 7.2mbps HSDPA and 2.0mbps HSUPA. Unless you can find a way to replace the entire radio, there's no way that our G1s are going to be getting speeds above 7.2mbps.

3. HSDPA/HSUPA is 3.5G

4. HSPA+ is 3.75G - NOT 4g. 4g is simply a marketing term. Again, i'm amazed that a "technical" forum would fall victim to such overly simplistic marketing terms.

5. The only effect that HSPA+ has on non-HSPA+ capable devices is that we're more likely to hit our 7.2mbps hardware limit. Just because you may see up to 7mbps on your G1 does NOT mean that your device magically changed its hardware and became HSPA+ capable. It just means that T-Mobile finally upgraded its backhauls in your area.

6. HSPA+ doesn't run on "different" frequencies than HSDPA. HSPA+ is an upgrade to UMTS, and thus runs on the exact same frequencies as HSDPA and UMTS. The HSPA+ bolt-on is like EDGE was to GPRS. If your device doesn't support HSPA+ (like all of ours), you'll simply fall back to best-effort HSDPA speeds.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
My 2 cents

I was in the T-Mobile store yesterday, Checking out the Htc Desire...which releases on the 24th by the way!!!!.....Not on shelves yet, but the agent there is pretty cool and he had one boxed up behind the counter,....but anyway,

he was telling me about some new enhancement of networks, because I asked about the lack of 3g coverage in my area, and he said don't worry, everything is being worked on as we speak, he said, and I quote "In about a month or so, everyone, regardless of device and location, will notice advanced network speed increments." Now mind you, he never once even spoke the words 3g, 3.5, or 4g.

So I don't know about any of that, but I don't care, if I can just get a steady 3g signal all the time, Im happy:)

Anyway, he did mention they were releasing a Netbook sometime in April,(posed to blow the ipad off the market, lol) and he heard, but cant confirm, it will be 4g as far as he knows, but that's pretty much all he said about this 4g issue.

Anyways, Im upgrading on the 24th to the desire, I made my mind up finally, I was stuck on finding something with a keyboard, but after playing with it in the store, it's so flat that when you tap the screen, it's no different from pressing real buttons. And the specs are astounding of course, the whole design of it is cool, and not as roundish, and bulk as the Nexus, more flat faced designed, and squarish, which is what I prefer

So if my G1 can get these new advanced 3g or 4g signals being spoke of than good, if not, so what. Because what it won't do, the Desire will.:)
[G1 General] crackzattic:
the HTC desire? dont u mean HTC Leo the HD2? i saw that in the store yesterday but no desire.
[G1 General] Breakthecycle2:
Yeah the desire is not set to be released to T-Mobile I thought.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
no I mean the desire....you didn't see it because its not out for you to see:)

I happen to know the agent that works in the t-mobile store in my area, and he showed me one from behind the counter that he got from the back stock of the new drop off's and deliveries. So I lucked up, but yes it's there, and will be available to see March 24th:cool:

EDIT: Leo and HD2 both run Windows Mobile if Im not mistaken, and I hate Windows Mobile.
[G1 General] Kainzo:
Any "technical" person knows that you can't lay trust in Wiki blindly. Remember that guy that claimed he had a Ph.D and edited over 100,000 topics on Wiki? and then it turned out to be a 21 year old guy that lived in his mom basement, egg on their face! Though researching on google is a great place to start to enlighten yourself on a topic.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
Agreed. I also had a discussion with lbcoder about the exact same thing, wiki's are not very stable sources. I won't blatantly state that they are all incorrect, as some pertain to be helpful and useful information.....it's just not undisputed, hard-copied facts. You can't go to the library and find a direct author,chapter,page or any journalistic scholarly source that links or quotes any kind of Wiki.

I don't know about the info he found, that may all be true, not my specialty or major to dispute:)............but I will say further researching should be acquired before this is based as factual matter first.
[G1 General] coolbho3000:
You cannot simply discredit an argument just because the argument cited a source that has the potential to be inaccurate. You're not attacking the argument itself. You need to counter with your own argument/source.

I'm calling a bull**** photoshop job on this one. I don't even think that particular 4G PNG is in the framework. Otherwise, it'd probably say LTE or WiMAX.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
Well then what is..or where is your arguable source?:confused::rolleyes:
[G1 General] coolbho3000:
I don't need one. I didn't claim something to be absolutely true or false - my gut feeling is that this is most probably fake.
[G1 General] Sheldonjace:
I hate to burst your bubble but Tmobile won't be releasing a "Desire" on the 24th. That launch date is for the HTC HD2 which is indeed WM 6.5 w/HTC Sense UI. What you may have seen was a Moto Cliq XT hahahah...that just launched on the 17th of this month and is an Android phone, but in no way to be confused with the HTC Desire.

If by some miracle I am wrong (which I'm not) then Tmobile plans on training their reps on a new Android phone thats said to launch in less than a week like said by the store rep. Odd being as we were trained on for the HD2 almost 2 weeks ago which also launches the 24th.

Once again sorry but that information is false.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
fair enough.;) I don't know what to think honestly, but I'll hope for the best. Like the Devs stated, give them a few weeks and we'll all have answers:)
[G1 General] EpicFail236:
is it cause you've seen a lot of shops in your day, or is it some of the pixels?

Honestly, I think that, regardless of whether or not this is "true", any major network improvements will, regardless of compatibility, herald a marked improvement in /Everyone's/ connection, simply because if they upgrade the towers, they will have to upgrade the backbone to handle it. If we really do have some sort of improvement, so much the better.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
You could be right. He said the "24th" and I assumed this month, but it could be April or even later

I do however, know what the desire looks like, and what i saw was indeed that.

The Moto Cliq XT is nowhere near indistinguishable with the Desire, unless I were a blind man which Im not.

Who's right, who's wrong? I don't know I don't work for T-mobile, and you either...so I'll put my trust in the words of someone who does.:)
[G1 General] cashless:
Oh hai, obvious photoshop. How R U?
[G1 General] bwinger79:
Sorry man....but the HTC Desire is not releasing on the 24th of any month for T-Mobile USA. What you saw was the HTC HD2.
[G1 General] Gimpeh:
Yeah I know. I chuckled when I saw it.
[G1 General] Gary13579:
HSPA is not 4G. It is 3.5G, as has been stated numerous times. I'm editing the topic title to reflect this.

Edit: appears OP did not like this. It's his thread, just trying to settle the matter :)
[G1 General] Sheldonjace:
If we are in fact getting the Desire you are right in assuming it probably won't be until later into the 2nd Quarter. The HD2 will be Tmobile's flagship device for now.

Lets not jack this thread anymore than we already have though. Just resort to PM's if you wish to talk more :)
[G1 General] HazzBazz:
We need to clarify that this has nothing to do with hardware, LTE or WiMax. Cyanogen said 'code', that means software. God knows what it is, but a guy like that hasn't got incentive to lead us on or lie. It's gonna be something to do with 'piggy-backing', techies at Vodafone always used to talk about it but I never asked what they meant. It's gonna be interesting nonetheless.

And hey once we're done I'll try porting it onto my iPad next month...or is that a swearword round these parts? God I love open source.

Good luck guys working on this. Our phones could be on speed by the end of this week :P
[G1 General] HazzBazz:
and whats interesting is thatthe post is titled 3.5g on all phones, not four :P
[G1 General] polovinamozga:
Look shopped
[G1 General] DrLfresh81:
lets hope they actually upgrade the speed - either is 3.5 or 4G, any upgrade would be awesome :cool:
[G1 General] alan090:
so yea when this turns into the 780 mhz thread but for 4g ill have told ya so
[G1 General] yokonunz:
In italy we have 7.2MB dwn and 1 MB up in HSDPA since some years... whats new?
[G1 General] no6969el:
your comment was totally still on the first page..LOL
[G1 General] jon6206:
cant wait... both my g1 and bb 9700 are using edge right now. thank god for wifi
[G1 General] no6969el:
Thank you for explaining that to what I thought were a bunch of techs but apparently google must be down and they are the "new wave" of computer people who learned and only learn from reading other peoples posts and watching G4 thinking they know everything...LOL

By the way the specs for the G1 CLEARLY state

Up to 7.2 Mbps down-link (HSDPA) and 2 Mbps up-link (HSUPA) speeds
[G1 General] sleepwalkers:
From the sounds of it, the use of the term "4G" in the topic title is very misleading. It's referring SOLELY to 3.5G technology, not either of the true 4G techs being rolled out by Sprint, Verizon or AT&T (LTE and WiMax). If you're using 4G to refer to this, that isn't quite right.

This is not about getting access to LTE or WiMax technology using a 3G antenna, this is about getting 3.5G signals on existing technology.
[G1 General] reuthermonkey:
I'm posting links to wikipedia because, unlike everyone else here, at least they have sources. Plus, it's hard for me to link you to page 129 of one of the books sitting right beside me.

That said, I would simply laugh at and ignore the ignorance being passed for "information" in this thread were it a forum that doesn't have so much influence on the roms we use every day.

Even that is misleading, since our phones can only go up to 7.2mbps and nothing's actually being changed. We've always had "3.5g" access. Don't like wikipedia? Do a search for "3.5g" on google. What is 3.5g? HSDPA. And that's essentially anything between 384kbps and 7.2mbps. As for. People in Chicago, New York, etc.. have seen 4+mbps for months (since TMO started upgrading their backhauls) on HSDPA.
[G1 General] :
This is aimed more for the USA ;)

UK is the same, we've had HSDPA for along time now also.
[G1 General] sleepwalkers:
You don't need to LMGTFY me, I'm well aware of how to use Google as well as Wikipedia.

There's a difference between HSDPA and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolved_HSPA"HSPA+[/url]. The latter is used with T-Mo's 21MBPS rollout. Technically, yes, it's coined 3.5G, but the most common referrer to HSDPA is 3G. That being the case, I can see how people would start using the term 3.5G for HSPA+. Same technology as HSDPA, but higher speeds being used as a "bridge" to 4G networks.

That's besides the point, though. This thread is still not about ANYTHING 4G-related, and the use of 3.5G is unclear.
[G1 General] Neejay:
We're always behind when it comes to cell phone tech. :(
[G1 General] Gary13579:
Which is exactly why I edited it, but the OP felt the need to revert my edit. Yelling "WE HAS 4G!!11" attracts more attention. Or something. :rolleyes:
[G1 General] sino8r:
I would say just say sim-based tech. CDMA is top notch in this country, although it has reached its peak at 3.6 and is on its way to 4th gen. SIM based of the other hand, can double that speed and still be using bolt-on 3rd gen. equipment similar to GPRS and EDGE (2G and 2.5G). Plus, we tend to get older cells because we have some many different networks plus frequencies. They are usually the later of the models to be developed and sold. Europe and Asia always get 'em first. Oh well...
[G1 General] narunetto:
There is no such thing as HSDPA+ as stated before, only HSPA+. HSDPA has a theoretical limit of 14 mbps down while HSPA+ has a theoretical limit of 56 mbps down and 22 mbps. Furthermore, HSUPA has a theoretical limit of 5.76 mbps upload. Also, just to reinforce what has been said earlier, these are all ugrades to UMTS (which has a speed of 384 kbps).
[G1 General] reuthermonkey:
I meant that for Kainzo. I was agreeing with you (albeit quite poorly).
[G1 General] sino8r:
Can this be closed until something is actually released? No offense to anyone... Especially the OP who creates my fav. ROM but everyone has put their 2 cents into the pot by now and no dev wants to release anything quite yet. So... its kinda pointless now. Am I the only one who thinks this? I mean, we can argue about 3G, 3.5G, and 4G all day and have done so already....
[G1 General] t_rob76:
To clear things up a little... currently there is no 4G standard technology (unless there have been updates since October).

from: Here

That being said, i am here in LA and i see a max of 780ish kbps max, so even breaking the 1M barrier would be better.
[G1 General] Gimpeh:
I disagree with the suggestion that this should be closed. I imagine we will get updates on the situation and this is why I'd like it to stay open.
[G1 General] MrCDWJR:
arent you supposed to be discussing things in a forum/discussion board???? i find this thread interesting and i dont see why they would close a thread where active discussions are happening.. thats just imo tho.. no offense to anyone..
[G1 General] jon6206:
no you're probably better off following Ben on Twitter to get status updates and the ROM thread to tell you when its available via update
[G1 General] thepawn:
I posted this over in the N1 forums, like simms, I live in the NY-metro area. We've had higher speeds for a while.

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[G1 General] georgegreco86:
4g. when where why.

Hey community. Just some insight. My good friend is a TMO tech. For towers. And connections. And from what i understand, there most promising (most units per person = population to tmo handsets) will most likely recieve the tests first.

Now if you guys are aware, i am in Las Vegas, one of Tmobile's largest, if not largest, next to Philly, Tmo users dominate this town. And about a year ago Tmo ran some tests for there new 3G. Remember the great debate on weather or not the g1 would recieve any of this, or even would be capable. Well i think we are all rest assured now using our wonderfull 3g, that Verizon so gracefully gave some 10000 towers to Tmo through court proceedings. (Google it, its real) Thus making this region, the SW one of the strongest 3G in the Nation.

So throughout the gibber, and the ranting. My synopsis if you will, is this. We will all have 4G, G1, N1, SamMoment, LGEVE2, HTCTP2, etc, will all be able to carry this service. And this piggy backing method is the cheapest, fastest, and best way to see if it works. So dont think your ICON will magiclly change :: noted 12 months ago, the great H & Fake Drizzy 3G :: so for this "4g" icon, nice PS skills and all, but lets get this thing pumped to the masses. I love when people get the MOD title, or DEV, and there work no longer becomes "for all of us on XDA" to a "private release.."

NOT BURNING YOU BENDB. I AM AN AVID SUPERD/E USER!!!!THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR WORK!
[G1 General] reuthermonkey:
By piggy-backing, i'm going to assume that your friend was referring to HSPA+ as being a bolt-on to UMTS/HSDPA. If that's the case, then that's fairly accurate. There's no correlation to the G1 being able to get speeds faster than 7.2mbps though.
[G1 General] bbuchacher:
We can't release the code yet, as soon as we get the OK we will, should be happening soon from what I was told
[G1 General] phillyboi47:
why?

Guys, I think it's unnecessary to go on debating about this topic.

let's all just wait and be patient 'til ben releases what he is developing.

...thennnn you can all get to the criticism lol. i understand everyone's skepticism, and how this isn't truly 4G for our G1's and MT3G's, but until then, let's all just kill the going back and forth and wait.
[G1 General] jubeh:
Is it I who don't understand Linux's kernel license? Aren't any kernel changes by law supposed to be made available in source? If you guys aren't planning on releasing anything at all, then the source can stay closed, but if you guys are planning on releasing it, then the code must be made available, by law.

Is there something I'm missing? I don't think GPL allows for anything such as private code.
[G1 General] Gimpeh:
I believe the code is being held private for the moment in order to keep anyone from getting in trouble. I imagine there is something within the code that may mark who released it. Thats my theory.
[G1 General] underoath586:
Moooorrrrrrrree sssspppppeeedddd! :D :D :D
[G1 General] cacheinjection:
Hia guys, i have been testing the code in the UK, looks like a no go, but it could be a band thing, so ill keep looking in to it.

and will keep ya posted
[G1 General] reuthermonkey:
If he's billing this as "4g", i'll begin my criticism right now, thank you. It aint even close to 4g. It's like calling a ford taurus a ferrari. They're not even in the same ballpark. And no matter how you brand it, the hardware aint ever going to support 4g speeds.

Unless they've found a way to defy physics, and wish into existence a MIMO antenna and a brand spankin new radio for our G1s, nothing they can come up with can even remotely be billed as 4g.
[G1 General] Shane2:
I hope this isn't another one of those things that ends up being US only. Companies should start to pay more attention to their customers from other regions
[G1 General] vegaman:
If it's US only it will be because of a US network.

There still hasn't been anything clearly stating what this is supposed to do, so I assume it will be US only, since I've been on HSDPA 7.2mbps since I got my phone.
[G1 General] pjcforpres:
So what does the code do? Does it just fake a network ID key giving us, in a sense, super user status on the network, thus we don't have a speed cap on our accounts?

Or does it enable HSPA+ for devices that don't have it already enabled, but have the correct 3G radio... much like through software you can increase the size of SD card a phone can take.
[G1 General] Riel:
I don't get it, my G1 just reaches 1Mbit with ease on 3G (and that's where tmob capped my connection).

It is capable of HSDPA speeds originally ... ?
[G1 General] protomanez:
Just another damn reason to move to the US >_>
[G1 General] cal3thousand:
I'm saving this post... always wanted to hear a Canadian say that.
[G1 General] MattKilla:
It's a myyyysteryyyyyy. I don't know why they just haven't said what the hell this damn thing actually does. Elitism? Inexplicable bull****? TOP SECRET GOVERNMENT SECRET OF SECRECY? Or maybe they think we won't understand.

The vagueness is bothering me, and perpetuates my skepticism.
[G1 General] GiffE:
Thats awesome! It's to bad I'm running my G1 on AT&T and only get 2G anyway :(
[G1 General] t1h5ta3:
talking with a friend that does work on the tower side of things here in the PNW, there's ALOT of backhaul being done. he sent me a msg asking why thy were dropping so much hardware in some of these sites...

fyi: on my g1 in some areas that i know are live i see consistant speeds close to 5M down 2M+ up, and ping times in the 50-60ms range.

and yha ben, i think theres guna be alot more lit up around your place soon. im personaly suprised google didnt have enough pull to get there campus lit sooner....

the great PNW where high speed cell service was born!
[G1 General] Riel:
Haha.

Well last year I was on Vodafone which game me around 3.6mbit.

TOo bad I tried T-mob, it suxx here compared with vodafone quality.
[G1 General] Proxin:
3G is spotty enough with T-Mobile. Why would they let us have possibility of 4G when the current 3G has problems? They should fix them first.
[G1 General] alan090:
why? we have superior networks that those in the US
[G1 General] protomanez:
Why does it sound like you work for Rogers :P.