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[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
No file system access:

No file system access means

a) you can not use it as USB thumb drive

b) you can not share files with different computers

c) there is no file downloads from web and no useful ftp clients and similar apps because they are useless without fsa

d) you can not open files with different apps unless maybe you email them to yourself, which is complicated but is the common way to get files on iPhones and it will also be like that crap on WP7

No SD cards

I hope I don't have to explain why that sucks. Terabyte SDXC cards are on the way and WP7 buyers are stuck with built in 8-32GB. And you have no thumb drive mode and no SD card to take out and load files on it.

No copy and paste

No, you are not dreaming to live in 2007. It really is 2010 and WP7 really has no copy&paste. Is this ridiculous or what?

No multitasking

People always talk crap like multitasking makes phones slow and makes battery life bad but really with a bit of thinking multitasking can be implemented in ways that do not have any bad effects at all and it even speeds things up because there is no loading times and of course push notifications also hurt battery life.

Plus there is lots of things that are not possible without multitasking. Say byebye to GPS tracking and stuff.

Marketplace censorship

They say it will be "objective" but everyone knows that is crap talk just look at current WM6.5 policies they are the same censorship as in Apple AppStore.

No native coding and no deep customization

Say byebye to apps that let you customize buttons or replace built in apps or let you adjust any advanced settings.

It is for sure that MS will not include all settings that users may need and there is no way users can change anything that is not in settings by default, because there is no file system or registry access for apps.

All the mentioned things make the user experience worse. Emailing everything to yourself sucks it's complicated and it is also complicated to have quick looks at info inside apps without multitasking and much more problems because of the stupid limitations.

To me WP7 is a complete FAIL. It can not compete to anything except for iPhone. I totally hate Apple and iPhone but I hope they kill WP7 so that MS realize how they ****ed up WP7.

I don't know why but in US, iPhone is a lot more popular and there is no Symbian. There WP7 can fight against iPhone.

But Symbian is the world leader and it is also very open, like Android and they have a new release soon, Symbian^3 with full visual multitasking (like Palm Pre) and multitouch and all that.

WP7 can not compete with that outside US and it can not compete with Android anywhere.

Sorry for grammar mistakes, there are probably a lot in that long text :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] pupakota:
You are from Europe, and noone but European citizen will understand this statement, imho(y know what i mean...i think).

I do. Although wm died for me with 6.5, wm7 have beaten everything i could imagine as succesor of 6.x.

WM7 is just death of pda's. They should name it TwittmarketplaceBS.

But let me be honest - people wanted another iphone, and they WILL HAVE another iphone.

We can stay away from that...nothing more...

This is just because lack of BRAIN, not multitasking problem.

That's why iphonelike bs is ONLY option for 'em.

Shame, there will be no solutions for thinking people soon.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
I will stay away. But is is sad because now I have less phones to choose from because all phones with WP7 are already ruled out from my wishlist.

Why is that that Americans buy locked down stuff like iPhone?! Are they masochists?! Nobody in the world that is not a masochist can seriously want a phone where you have to email files to yourself because it is the only method to put them on the phone!?
[Windows Phone 7 General] daniel_rh:
Times are changing... The iPhone was the first step and it looks like it was the right step... Nokia, Android, Windows are going the same way somehow. I think it's OK otherwise WM7 will become a mess like the old WM. WM's fate is death for most people. Even for me, I've been using WM for yeeears, but for me it feels slow, dated, and yet powerful but at the end I end using the dialer, the picture explorer, and messaging system.

I have a ZuneHD, I love its interface, speed and simplicity; and it has a basic but enough multitasking capability. According to some videos that I've seen, I've noticed that the multitasking capabilities are even better in WM7.

About the SD Card... 8gb is enough for most people, and this is the smallest storage size that the new Windows mobile phone will have. The customizations... I'm sorry but most of the themes out there are cr@p, and I even consider that HTC interface is all bloated and slow. I'm sure there will be some customizations in WM7, it's just matter of time to figure out the way to do so.

The good thing, is that you have many more options like the Android, the iPhone or even Nokia, which new OS looks good enough to compete with all the new competitors.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pupakota:
All I know is that my 4 y.o. pda with PHONE MODULE is working ok.

Sry, cannot answer your question...do not try to understand US citizens..waste of time, imho.

well, dude, PDA was not phone, but personal assistant(you know, computer ,not iphonelikebs) and it WAS ok, then iphone rose from **** and idea wanished.

All about that.

g'night guys.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
No Nokia Symbian and Android and also Palm webOS are not locked down ****. Only WP7 and iPhone are.

And also Android and Symbian^3 have very good UIs too so it is not necessary to lock them down to make it easy to use.

And even multitasking can be very easy to use, like on Palm webOS and Nokia Symbian^3.

Hardware base specs is good for the user experience but missing features and censorship is always bad. Apple started that **** but they were lucky because they had the only good UI so people bought their phone nevertheless and now years later MS copies them completely.

But today it is not enough because everyone now has good UIs so features like file system access make the difference. Plus there are still all the power users and enterprises they are many as well (and it is not necessary to be a power user to benefit from those features - using one's brain is enough).
[Windows Phone 7 General] rahulelectra:
I think we should think the other way round, look how iphone is popular with its easy to use GUI and still its locked.

Most ppl are not techh savvy as us who loves to install cabs etc. People want out of the box experience.

So when a lay man (in tech terms) asks for a smartphone help, I suggest him iphone as it can do most of the task which it desined to no hangs etc.. Now I can suggest wm7 device for sure....

But wait whats the point of having a Windows phone if I cant customize... its not for me... first wp7 and then no wp7 upgrade in HD2 has made me not to buy any smartphone..

my 37 $ ***kia phone which I brought temporarily whin I lost touch viva... is doing a nice job... with 1020 mah battery , reminders, wireless fm, standard organigers ,,basic spreadsheet , notes...

Locked nature of WP7 has lost my in Interest in smartphones. I was like suggesting every1 of WM advantages....

WM sucked coz only on crap hardware and GUI.... and HTC fones saved its saved still it have 15 % share in smartphone OS.

MS is not sure where it want sto go......
[Windows Phone 7 General] powersquad:
WP7 is a complete pass for me. I don't need 1TB or 2TB storage. Hell my 16GB Zune HD is only 1GB full. Being an avid fan of Xbox live gaming, Outlook (Exchange) and facebook, this phone is a win win win.

Remember people. It's made for the majority (non-geeks) not minority (geeks).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Microsoft has stated that there will be a way to distribute applications outside of marketplace (for enterprise mainly). I'm sure we will be able to use this to our advantage for all the apps we want to get from here. They are basically putting in a backdoor asking for us to open it cause they know the techys want that opening. Now as long as we can figure out how to get access to the file system we will have no more issues. Maybe they just put in minimal restrictions to protect the normal EU but keep it easy for us. That second part is speculation only though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pimppoet:
Idiocracy of the Mobile World

It seems everything is so dumb downed these days...making things is a easier to do is fine but damn. For me I hear windows mobile I think mini pc but now it seems things as a whole are headed towards playskool sh!+ for adults. I blame newbies that dont/cant read manuals & use commn sense (u won a lottery u neva heard & u paying money to receive the winnings lol). I also blame the pos companies/people that push malware/spyware/phishing. Window mobile's customization is gift for the tech savy but a curse for impatient eye candy lovers. Hopefully with it being a series they have an actual smartphone edition.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ajclai08:
wp7 will be a sucess. Why would you want a mini PC based UI, the PC UI is 30 years old..and for one a phone is a different device, why not take a different route? Half the hacks for winmo6X are too improve and and even make use of the devices hardware/software better,..wp7 doesnt have that..or is it needed. The other half(customizing) won't be needed since the UI has information across every inch of the screen, why waste screen space w/ a desktop like home screen on a 3 inch screen?
[Windows Phone 7 General] go0gle:
I am with you on all that. It seems that Symbian will be the only Mobile OS that is actually OPEN and, without a doubt the most efficient one. Android and Win CE are hardware hungry, and that is why one of them (android) eats it's battery when multitasking and the other one won't even have it because it will "compromise" the end user experiance. What they really mean by that is "we need 2ghz CPU and 1 gb ram to run 4 programs at the same time" until then, take that "save state" BS that apple has been selling you for years already and be happy.

:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] egmkang:
No native coding is completely FAIL

No native coding is completely FAIL
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
why:confused:
[Windows Phone 7 General] tlefeuvre:
Hi,

I wish i could say i completely disagree but unfortunately I think you're totally right :-(

first I was not convinced with the new user interface which is imho very ugly.But the announcements of today are the final stroke for me ! Windows Phone 7 is no more than a dumb phone with app support. The latest versions of winmo 6.5.x were really heading in the right direction I think and now microsoft is breaking everything with windows phone 7.Now I'm sure that the future of windows mobile for me is windows mobile itself ! no windows phone series for me ! Everything I hate about apple, microsoft just copied into windows phone 7. this really is not for me. Thank you M. Microsoft ! I'm so disappointed !

Thomas
[Windows Phone 7 General] egmkang:
Slow

Click a button , then you can get a sleep:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
i thought they said that silverlight & XNA would be hardware accelerated, im no dev & know nothing of it but would it still be slow, cuz some of the things they demoed didnt look slow, but besides slowness what are the other drawbacks?
[Windows Phone 7 General] egmkang:
But C# runs more slowly than Native code,and C# has a big runtime called CLR and a lot of libs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
lol what you just said means nothing to me i just told you i have know knowledge of any of that but thanks for trying to explain, nvm about explaining it ill go read a book on it, maybe bing it
[Windows Phone 7 General] lbhocky19:
il be sticking with the hd2 il be buying next week

only worry i have is i doubt we will get much more developed for 6.5 from now on :/
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
You couldn't handle the excitement!!!!!

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
What kind of person chooses friends based on their choice of video game console?

Rock on, you party animal you! :D:p
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
If you're saying that there aren't personality traits associated with favoring each console, you're nuts. I bet you believe most white people can dance, too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
I don't get the analogy, but, I do photography at a nightclub and the few white guys and girls that come through are not too bad at dancing actually. The "white people can't dance" stereotype is an overblown cliche. Maybe a little stiff though...:p

My guess is the die-hard gamers have ALL the gaming systems...PS3, XBox, Wii, and PC.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
of course & black people are great @ basket ball & have BIG ****s..race has nothing to do with who a person is or what they can do..but your free to choose your friends however you want
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Honestly, it's pointless to argue with those that seemed to be wrapped around these concepts that we must reject all stereotypes. They don't seem to understand that stereotypes have to come from SOMEWHERE. And majority is good odds when it comes to betting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
This is ridiculous. I bought a Wii (twice) and I did not buy an HD console. Please use this information to tell me about myself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Male or female?

Age?

Have kids?

Married? Committed relationship?
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Perhaps, but the problems arise when using the stereotype supercedes getting to the know the person individually. The worst situation is when people in a position of power (economic) use stereotypes instead of getting to know a person on an individual basis.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Let's see you are around 34 years old, a male, and you have two kids and a wife or maybe ex-wife.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
I thought you were supposed to be telling me about myself. Isn't there a sterotype of a Wii owner?

25yr old single male, educated, no children, have job, playing video games since childhood. Continue
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Wii + 25 yr old male = 25 yr old single male - children
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
Hilarious... I guess the PS360 has the ladies swarming all over you. Excuse me for not desiring a wife and kids at 25 years old.

We're completely off topic and you've failed to make your point so back to 7 Series
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Something tells me that it's really not about "not desiring" and more about "not being able to get", since most women desire a man that is a MAN, not a "girly man" that plays with their kiddy Wii.

But yes, back to bashing this garbage known as Windows Phone 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
some girls like girly men, but the wii is fun & i think having a wii is better if you have a girl, cuz its something you both can play together

because honestly a girl is gonna think your a nerd for playing video games no matter what system it is, she isnt gonna look at you playing halo & think to herself o look at that manly man, but i wish i never sold my wii because my girl wont play the 360 or the ps3 with me:(

i mite pick up natal to see if she will try that
[Windows Phone 7 General] ThaRabbit:
all these topics and posts seem to start with the basic foundation that windows mobile 7 is targeted at iPhoneOS / Android users.

why?

Looking at the specs and limitations that MS has proposed, these phones would form a different approach to the market and IMO might form a very decent platform for business type use. If anything, these limitations might create a certain sturdiness required in such applications. And I feel that the hard look of the OS completes that.

It's not a replacement for what we're doing now, but neither was the iPhone in 2007. New approach, new result. I'm curious to see where this will go.

also, first post, hello!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fa7my:
True, somehow..

The idea is, the market is already filled with OS's (Touch OS's to be specific), look at when the iPhone was released, the only touch phones available (please correct me if I'm wrong here) were the WinMo ones with their Non-finger friendly interface...

That "lack" of a proper touch phone made the iPhone look astonishing & appealing to those who didn't know about WinMo.. making it the perfect choice for most "normal" users who wanted a fancy looking "cool" touch phone, while the Power Users kept on with WinMo..

But now you have Android touch phones, iPhones, hell even Nokia came up with touch phones..

WP7s is no Game-Changer here.. still I would prefer to wait for a real WP7s Phone before posting my judgement about WP7s (which is - at this point - not very good)..
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I think a rather common mistake in assessing WP7's prospects is an implicit assumption that there's a set market and users simply migrate from one OS to another. Of course that's happening, but don't forget that the market is growing. So it's not actually a question of whether WP7 will win over all the iPhone users. It's not a zero-sum game, actually. 5 years from now the smartphone market will double or triple or whatever, and there will be a limit of iPhone's penetration no matter how great it is. It will probably remain the best selling device out there, but in terms of overall volume it will be very possible to beat when every fourth of third phone will be a smartphone. Remember, Microsoft doesn't care how many models will be out there with WP7, and Apple's business model limits variety. So if the world will consume 200 million smartphones a year and Apple will sell 50 million out of those, it will still leave 150 million handsets for everyone else. That's exactly how it works with PCs - Apple is the leader in the premium notebook segment but that's far from being everything that's sold. I know it may be hard to imagine now when the market is nascent, but I'm sure it will change. Every company that makes a phone that's easy to use, stable, isn't scary for your average consumer in reminding a PC, is appealing visually has a great chance. Add to it cool hardware, possible push from operators and you're set.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
This is exactly the strategy as Ballmer described. However they're going to need to relax their restrictions a little bit to achieve what they did with PCs. No d-pad? No Call and End buttons? That's a bit too much. They have the scaler in the GPU and they have the Metro UI which should fit well on different resolutions.. expand the variety a bit.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I think there are restrictions and restrictions. I can't possibly know for sure but I suspect that lack of native APIs is not dictated by some holy principle here, but rather by the simple fact that they got rid of GDI and don't have anything to replace it with. Currently there's just doesn't seem to be a way to link Silverlight UI with native code. It's fairly obvious that their primary target is to populate Marketplace with thousands of fart apps (foursquare and such fit perfectly into my definition of fart apps) as quickly as possible, and native APIs are simply not needed here. They also want to shift as much to managed code as possible, so they will develop managed APIs first. They also need to make sure Marketplace becomes the destination for developers, so they need to be anal about restricting sideloading.

Hardware may get more variety as well, although that's trickier because MS have less control over it, and allowing freedom to OEMs can quickly get the platform out of hands. By the way, Call and End buttons aren't such an obvious thing. There's a whole set of programs that block those buttons during incoming call because they cause accidental and unwanted call pick ups and rejects.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Biges:
I agree with sm3rtlag3l (ahoj!) that WM7 is a disappointment.

M$ could easily create a fast system with nice touch interface while underneath it would be possibilities for geeks like us to plays with various settings and install custom applications etc.

Well, WM6.5 will still be supported for some years and let's hope Symbian^3 will allow more customization than current Symbian versions.
[Windows Phone 7 General] satchef1:
Have they said that this won't be the case?... nope.

At the moment I'm assuming it's a matter of time and importance. The most important thing for Microsoft is to get a platform out there soon that has high levels of mainstream appeal and then fill it with their key services; Bing, Live, Xbox and Zune. Everything else comes second. They haven't even had time to implement Cut & Paste yet, there's no way they'd take the time out to build in file system access for a minority part of the market. The best we can hope for at launch is them leaving some sort of back door open for us to use as a starting point.

There's a lot of over-reaction on here tbh, the only major losses (i.e. things that won't be on the to-do list) are UI customisation and lack of SD card support (the battery thing was an April Fools joke for anyone not up to speed). Lack of UI customisation is hardly a surprise, there's plenty of reasons why a consistent UI is better (or why having manufacturers layer over their own UI is bad). The SD card thing is a shame though. I can understand requiring decent levels of internal storage, that's a positive move for the market, but why not give the option of an SD slot as well?
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
^^^ +1

All this *****ing about WP7 reminds me of listening to conservative talk radio *****ing about the U.S. President ;)

Let's wait until the finished WP7 arrives. I'm willing to forego the niceties (file system, full-multitasking, customization) if it solves the problems of WM6.x that we all have complained about at one point in time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] curiousGeorge:
If WM6.5 is dead, why are there so many new leaked builds (6.5.3, 6.5.5, etc) where some pretty significant work is going on at the kernel level (not to mention a slightly better UI)?
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
WM6.x will be supported "for years to come" according to MS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] satchef1:
I'm guessing they'll scrap it 12 months after they get Windows Phone 7 up to scratch. Once it's a viable replacement there's no real point in continuing with Windows Mobile (likewise, they wouldn't be talking about a time frame for removing support if they weren't looking to integrate some of it's features in to WP7).
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Well, they need something on the market until the new OS gets here. And by "support", they probably mean that if there are problems, they will address them. I don't think it means they'll keep adding new features. Windows Mobile is dead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dalavar:
Whether they scrap it or not I don't think there will be as much developed for it as there is now. They will all move on to develop for the new stuff and WM 6.5 will be left behind.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Someone @ Microsoft said in an interview that they would scrap it withing 12-24 months.

And even if they don't, without developer support, the OS is worth nothing. Sure, there are still a lot of apps, but they're no competition to their counterparts on the iPhone or Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] curiousGeorge:
Playstation emulator, gameboy advance emulator, SNES emulator, Office Mobile (yes, yes...), .NET program support (no more rewriting programs for work!), etc etc.

These alone make any system worth it for me. Even... shi7-os. (Hoho ain't I a clever one, look at that subtly not-so-subtle jab at the nam--nvm).
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
You're not going to get any of those programs for WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] curiousGeorge:
I know!! Isn't that a shame?!

Yeah, so I await 6.6 with bated breath. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Don't worrie I'm sure we will see those programs either via sideloading from enterprise way or jailbreak. They have all those emulators on the iphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
They don't work well there.