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[Nexus One General] b0unceee:
wrong section noob.
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
hahahhaha LOVE IT.

another interesting update: The previous results were on a Cyanogen Mod...

Using Modaco Desire Alpha 14 I get the EXACT opposite results...

Starting with a finger on the left side of the screen then the right side point switch is guaranteed...whereas starting with a finger on the right then the left point switch is non-existent.

I think it is entirely a software fault...anyone who knows anything have anything to say about it?
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
then again, the overall finicky-ness of it is probably just a flaw period...though I think it can be fixed with a software update due to the different behavior between ROMs.

seems to switch points at random actually...on the desire ROM especially.
[Nexus One General] chowlala:
still wrong section noob. haha.
[Nexus One General] maedox:
It has been covered by pretty much all tech blogs on the 'net already.

Some think it is a hardware bug, and others think it's software. Who knows.

I don't think it will matter for most people, although I consider it a serious flaw if it is not possible to fix it with software.

And yeah, this might be the wrong section, but it could also turn into a dev issue. "wrong section, noob" was funny the first time. :P
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
yea that's why I put it here in the first place, I shoulda added [Think Tank] and then squeezed my statements there...def belongs in General though...any Mod please move there without any Snarky comments prior.
[Nexus One General] imfloflo:
i 'll move it but with snarky comment : use edit button when you want to replay to yourself instead of creating two posts ;)
[Nexus One General] maedox:
I just tried that Multitouch Visible Test, and it does not always switch the dots. It is a little bit strange though, because it seems like the dots are just put on the wrong intersect of the red and blue lines. If it is a hardware malfunction it is a very weird one. Some kind of random mirror function. :D
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Maybe its a problem with the app itself and nothing with phones.... comon now, I don't have a problem with multitouch and I think that app is horrible to determine a bad phone..

No offence people, but these issues everyone brings up on this phone isn't a issue at all... the 3g issue is network not phone, the wonky screen is from the wrap around effect, the multitouch issue is retarded.....

The only valid one imo is the dust...... everything else seems irrelevant
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
The multitouch issue is not app based, otherwise it'd be present on the Droid as well (where it isn't, infact Droid's multitouch is damn near flawless looking at that video and having owned one) Though it's not going to be an issue for anything I and many others current use the phone for (Browsing, Maps, Gallery, anything else that uses pinch to zoom) it will become an issue and may already be for multitouch games...From what I saw it seemed like it is likely software based due to the fact that on the Cyan ROM one thing happened in one order and on the Desire ROM same thing happened (and a bit more buggy) in another order.

But yea, about the 3G issue..I never had that either...in fact my 3G with my N1 is better than the 3G i had with my G1.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
It may be just that There is different hardware/software in one vs the other.....

I still don't believe it will be a issue, I mean that app your sliding both fingers at the same time, and it only happens some of the time..... I don't believe there will be many games where your performing that kind of action, and even if so it don't happent all the time and may act completely differently in a game than it does in the app..... I mean, if it was a big deal we would notice it in the other pinch to zoom apps, I've tried on pinch to zoom to get it to do anything weird and it don't..... just saying, I don't think this video/app proves much....

Then again, who the hell am I.. lol I don't know shat like anyone....
[Nexus One General] F i L:
In fact, N1 has only pinch and zoom multitouch whereas droid has native multitouch...

temperbad there are a lot multitouch app in the market which state that Nexus One is not supported due to its multitouch misfunction..

ping pong multitouch is one of these applications..

Propably it is a hardware issue.
[Nexus One General] jerhoyet:
Try it in the browser. Pinch zoom out, then rotate your fingers in a circle and continue pinch zooming out. Instead of zooming out, it zooms in.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
I have. No issues
[Nexus One General] jerhoyet:
It's not all the time, but it happens. It's caused my axis flipping.
[Nexus One General] faraz1992:
Its supposed to a software bug.. The same thing produces two different results with two different ROMs....so its not a hardware issue....
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I too have absolutely 0 issues with pinch to zoom and rotating, getting my fingers really close together, etc. 0 issues whatsoever.

I'm on the Desire rom though.

Anyway, you have to remember this has absolutely NO importance whatsoever unless you play a lot of games.

If you don't, like me (I have a 360, so I couldn't care less), you'll never really have an issue with this.
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
I don't play a lot of games either, but I mean, it's nice to know that your 530 (566.03 with tax for me) gave you a fully functional device. Plus I'm hoping it's a software issue, maybe a driver or something...I dunno...a man can hope.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Multitouch visualizer is better imo... and I see no problem with my multitouch....

Now that pong game, I here even on the droid its weird.....
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Oh and if the nexus didn't have real multitouch how come the nes games work great, I walk and jump at the same time, meaning multitouch.
[Nexus One General] cmpxchg8b:
Multitouch Visualizer is only "better" in that it hides the problem.

It draws a rectangle with two opposite corners where your fingers are touching. The problem is that the Nexus One doesn't know which two corners of the rectangle your fingers are located at. But Multitouch Visualizer will draw the same rectangle regardless.
[Nexus One General] cmpxchg8b:
You mean Multitouch Visualizer? It's actually showing you 4 points (the rectangle corners) for your two fingers. Two of the 4 points will be correct, and 2 will not.

The Nexus One does have a kind of multitouch, but it can only track up to 2 fingers, and only certain kinds of movements reliably. It is fine for simple stuff like zooming, but you'd never be able to do games with two virtual control sticks like are popular on the iPhone.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
I disagree, once again, nes, nes, nes. It has 2 controls d pad and a and b buttons.. pressing them both at once they respond, you can even hold down walk and then hit jump..... like I said it'll register points a lot of the time just not always..

Now as of 4 points I agree thats a no go. But as far as iphone like controls, I say yes...... look at the game exzues, its The **** on n1.

Edit. I disagree with myself.. I believe the apps both register more than 2 fingers, but even the who needs more than 2 fingers in a game, what is this a xbox...
[Nexus One General] :
I'm not too up to date with how the hardware and software interact on android, but couldn't this be a driver issue?
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
And it doesn't swith everytime either, takes me like 10 times for it to happen once... I even read some of the droid users have this happening to their phones... I just don't think the test is to accurate....
[Nexus One General] cmpxchg8b:
I haven't done any NES gaming on my N1, but I don't doubt that it would work fine for a game like Super Mario Bros.

If you have a D-pad in the lower left, and a pair of buttons in the lower right... When you press a button, the N1 could lose the ability to detect up and down movement on the D-pad reliably, but left and right movement would still work fine. But up and down are not used much while running and jumping in a game like SMB.

You'd have more problems if you played a game that used vertical motion while holding buttons. And even more if it was an analogue vertical motion input (not just detecting up or down, but how far you have pushed the virtual control stick). And a pair of D-pads or control sticks that were axis-aligned would likely never work right.
[Nexus One General] cmpxchg8b:
Google has said it's a hardware limitation, and the touch sensor on the N1 has been identified as a Synaptics ClearPad 2000, which not even the manufacturer claims has true multitouch. They call it "DualTouch".
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Letssee these claims by google....

Try tunewarz and tell me thats not multitouch like iphone...
[Nexus One General] cmpxchg8b:
Go here and read the comments by Dianne Hackborn, who works on Android.

I have tried Toonwarz... The controls are not reliable when using dual virtual sticks on my N1. Try walking forward and back while aiming up and down, and notice how the controls are "sticky" and occasionally invert themselves. Works fine with one virtual stick plus the trackball, though.

I am not here to bash your phone. I love my N1. I think we should be realistic about its limitations, though.
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
temperbad, you really need to calm down...a great phone like the N1 CAN and DOES have its faults...unfortunately it may be a hardware fault, but hopefully it can be fixed by a proper software update.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Calm down huh? I haven't been out of line once, and for you to tell Me to relax is ignorant..... no crap everything has issues, these just are ones I don't thinks a big deal...

I have a opinion just as others do, so unless I name call or start flaming anyone, I suggest you keep your opinion on me inside your fingertips....

Get It, got it, good.....

Now as far as the games, who cares, your not gonna get xbox quality out of a hand held phone, and even then, gaming on the phone is awkward.....

Next
[Nexus One General] AbsoluteDesignz:
case and point?

the multitouch on a superphone like the Nexus One is subpar, really subpar...it isn't noticeable during regular use, nor with MOST games I play, but it is still a fault I'm aware of...I don't see why you're gungho about defending it as if we are dissing your first born or something...THAT is what you need to relax in. YOu don't have to defend the phone, it isn't going to suck simply because the multitouch is subpar...what I'm more concerned about is the fact that it is most likely a hardware issue and therefore unable to be fixed...which sucks a lot.
[Nexus One General] polo79:
agreed. it sucks. i'm not referring to you but some are crying "end of the world" with this issue and its important to point out it doesn't effect much at all in regards to today's apps. its specific to gaming and future games at that. one more thing, this phone has been kicked around since january 5th, a little defensiveness is expected.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
It has been kicked around since the 5th... the 3g issue is tmobile and my video on here/xda proves it... the thread is called "this is what I think about the 3g issue".

Now okay, I say the mt isn't defective its just different, so developers wihaven just have to work differently....
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] dsfreak0109:
A few minutes ago I grabbed the files for Ubuntu and Haret at the Xda-forums under a thread called "Ubuntu on Rhodium- 04/03/10 screen calibration now works!!! Need devs for wifi fix" (The forums would not let me post the link) and extracted them to my sd card to run Ubuntu on my HTC Pure. Also to make this boot correctly you cant use the same boot script for android to boot Ubuntu. You need to modify the Startup.TXT that came with the Ubuntu.zip folder and set the correct mtype for your device. Note it is possible to setup your sd card to boot Android and Ubuntu from the root of the SD card by modifying the boot script which is a six step process.

1. open the boot script named Startup.txt and rename it to Ubuntu.TXT

2. change the mtype so it is correct for your device

2. change the Set Kernel line so it looks like set KERNEL zImageUbuntu

3. Change the Set initrd line so it looks like set initrd initrdUbuntu.gz

4. rename the Zimage file to zImageUbuntu

5. rename the initrd file to initrdUbuntu.gz

6. Open Haret and type in Ubuntu.txt and press run button

7. This should be it and you should be running Ubuntu on your Phone
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] ceo.mtcl:
Really!

What??? Are you serious!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] smadger:
What version?

I know this has limited uses, but still, this sounds amazing!!

So you're saying you have Ubuntu running on your Pure, what about keyboard and stuff? What version of Ubuntu did you use?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] ceo.mtcl:
It works!!!

Wow! It works!

I just did it in the way you said and it works!

But there is no keypad? Cant type or open files...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] madman_cro:
i will try this today, and i bet there is virtual keyboar4d in ubuntu
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
Hello!

Thank you for the info!

I don't understand exactly where can I find the files?

Can someone post a direct link?

Thanks a lot,

Flop!

TOPAZ with HTC WinMo6.5 and Xandroid for TOPAZ
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] kamson:
Here You are: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=JZ4HEZE4
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
Thank you!!!

I will try this OS soon!

Have a nice day,

Flop!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] kamson:
It's working fine on Topaz:D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] mastawindu:
Can we have screen caps ?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Wartexx:
wow nice ^^ i ll try it later this evening
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] chiks19018:
screen shots...pleeease.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] dsfreak0109:
Yea there are some screen caps on the forum Ubuntu for Rhodium
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] dsfreak0109:
My account is not able to post links because of some restriction does anyon know how to get permission to post links?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] miro666:
No kidding...Work someone virtual keyboards on Topaz ?

Regards
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] hackerl33t:
this is awesome... :D:cool:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] kamson:
Some images:

http://img72.imageshack.us/i/20080117072.jpg/

http://img191.imageshack.us/i/20080117073.jpg/

:D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] miro666:
Awesome....OK, ask question again: Work it on virtuel or some keyboard ? How make input on "mobile" Ubuntu ??? :confused:

Thanks forwarding on answer.

Regards
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] medkilo:
where is the id of topaz?

Where can I find it?

thanks
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] sandman01:
Do you mean the values of Ubuntu.TXT?

set ramsize 0x08000000
set ramaddr 0x10000000
set mtype 2293
set FBDURINGBOOT 0
set KERNEL zImageUbuntu
set initrd initrdUbuntu.gz
set cmdline "msmts_calib=0x9f.0x39a.0x35c.0x78 lcd.density=240 msmvkeyb_toggle=off wifi.mac=wifi.mac=00:23:76:8B:EA:93 board-htcraphael-navi.wake=1 msm_fb.fix_x=1 board-htcdiamond.adb=0"
boot

Here the link of the Rhodium Thread with latest files

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640785
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] gharika:
Amazing

Absolutely amazing. I think once we have BT up, a BT keyboard will be the best option to get going on this full fledged OS. Any update on what all connectivity options we have?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] sentinel79:
This has definitely peeked my interest. Downloading the package and will test ASAP.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] dsfreak0109:
There is only wifi so far. Auto discovery does not work. But manual wifi setup should work.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] dsfreak0109:
The Ubuntu wiki is here http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RhodiumUbuntu
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] sentinel79:
Running by no keyboard

How do we install anything if we don't have a native keyboard (hard or soft)? I've got Ubuntu running and I see in the wiki there's terminal code to enter but I don't have a keyboard ... would a usb keyboard work with an adapter (my MS one didn't btw)?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] CommZ:
It gets stuck on misc_register(): OK for me. Any ideas?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] perern:
maybe a on screen keyboard.

i found one. but how to install without keyboard so i cant mount SD?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] centauru:
cool , i've try it

amaizing

look forward for new versions

:D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] arashi:
look forward for new versions with onscreen keyboard

=D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
GREAT!!

Hello,

I download the last build ( xRhobuntu 1134Am 19032010.7z.001 & 002 ) from 4shared website and install it on my Topaz.

It works great with the on-screen keyboard!

You can write text, use command-lines...

The sd-card is auto-mounted at boot and you can access to files located in the card.

Unfortunately, there is no sound from the speaker.

I didn't try videos yet.

Amazing!! :eek::D

Flop!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] sqmemory13:
BE warned about Rhobuntu-my experience

I tried new build. was fantastic and i logged out, shutted down using normal way. However, it was somehow gotten itself f***ed up and 90 pecent of all apps on my phone claim that it is either componet missing or not trusted certs. It seems like somehow some files were deleted in the process, even though I am not sure about why. Haret supposed not to do that. Also, i have seen HTC HD users complaining about screwed volume keys, and i got it too. I recommand you to back up your phone before trying rhobuntu. It seems that it is not as safe as android build. I am hard resetting my phone now. Can any topaz android devs pick up rhobuntu and make it specific for topaz, please?

p/s I was using stock 6.5 rom and i changed mtype accordingly to topaz mtype before initiating haret. Seriously, other then this it was fantastic...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] zone1992:
i can't seem to start ubuntu because i need to enter Startx, but i can't since my TD2 doesn't have a keyboard. Can somebody help me please?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] ThrashMan:
If you have followed the instructions in 1st post Ubuntu will boot all the way to a touch screen calibration page.....then the desktop loads.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] dsfreak0109:
I don't know why your certs are messed up. Try downloading the certificate store herehttp://www.utexas.edu/its/user-certs/answers/sign-winmobile6.php

PS: I have never tried this
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
screen shots

Hello!

Here are some screenshots of rhobuntu on topaz, ubuntu 8.04.

GREAT!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
Release Rhobunto 9.10 0430PM 23032010

Hello!

Last night, I try the Rhobunto 9.10 0430PM 23032010 release on my Topaz.

Boot = OK, very fast!

Calibration screen: OK

BUT

: The tool bar at the bottom of the screen is not present.

I can't access to the "task bar" with "accessories"...: so it is impossible to log out...

This release doesn't work on Topaz...

No fun is possible with it...

So, back to the 8.04 Ubuntu version.

Sorry, no screenshots: I can't access to the sd-card with this release.

Flop!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
Hello,

Here are screenshots of "Rhobuntu 19032010 fixed".

Boot is OK, not fast but OK.

Calibration screen OK.

No cell phone.

I can't test Wifi or Bluetooth now...

Access to SD-Card is OK.

Reboot to WinMo is a little bit long but works fine.

To my mind, this release works great on Topaz / Pure / Diamond 2.

Some screenshots: Desktop, Firefox, screen rotation and Gnumeric (sort of MS Excel).

Flop!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] shazaani:
Wifi Possibility?

I've been using Ubuntu on my PC for sometime and I love it. Any ideas how we get the Wifi drivers for the Topaz to work. Because I think it would be great to have a reasonably functioning Ubuntu on the Topaz so we can access the Internet.

I am not not sure how to go about doing this but if anyone has an idea let me know I can try to help I know a bit about unix but lots about windows.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
Hello!

I tried to establish a 3G connection with Rhobuntu 8.04 and my TOPAZ.

(See the wiki page of Rhobuntu for How To, http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RhodiumUbuntu )

It works! I can connect my phone to the network (french provider: Orange)

The big problem is that I can't access to Internet... I don't know why firefox doesn't open the google page...:confused:

See screenshots, 3G connection established, Firefox blank screen.

I add 2 screenshots of Ubuntu 9.10, not working on Topaz: no mouse, no start menu... Too bad.

:p A little add: I also update the file zImage and the drivers embedded in the file modules-2.6.27... from the file: zImage-modules-20100328_224950.tar

Have a nice day.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] centauru:
So far I've tried all and they all work quite good, expect more....
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] ThrashMan:
Maybe Firefox needs its proxy server setting?

I have no idea what proxy Orange France use tho.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] hackerl33t:
highly doubt its possible but makes me think can we run windows this way?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] taylor_b92:
I was thinking the same thing. We had to do the same thing with Internet Sharing with the Dash/Excalibur
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Flop!:
Hi,

Thank you for this tip!

I didn't think about that.

I will try it soon.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] ziotidus:
Where i can download the .cab for install on my phone??

That on http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RhodiumUbuntu there isn't..

Thanks

P.S. the HSDPA work only with the 9.10?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Maikeu Locatelli:
no, only emulated with bosh, but is SLOOOW.

this ubuntu isn't the same of the pc, this is ubuntu ARM, x86 is diferent of ARM, a lot diferent.

windows is to X86, no to ARM, dont exist version for ARM.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] shazaani:
Were you ever able to get the Wifi or internet via 3G working? I wanted to play around with 8.04 but it seems that it lacks the Topaz drivers. Where did you get teh zImage-modules-20100328_224950.tar file?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Beackman:
It works, great booted in first time. great.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] ziotidus:
Is out a news version update to 10/04/2010

is here: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=RhodiumUbuntu#Currentx20.stablex20.build
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Majro:
Hello. Does anybody know how to enable the virtual keyboard, please? I've tried add it over 'add/remove programs' but it didn't help because i don't have access to the Internet. And i can't enable the Internet because I don't have the keyboard.. :D

Solved.. I forgot edit startup.txt file..;)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Bombenbach:
Be sure to check out the latest Rhobuntu release which has some tweaks for running on Diamond, Raphael, Blackstone or Topaz

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640785&page=68
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] arashi:
On last build pressing "end call" key do the job. Or manually run xvkbd in /usr/bin/ by tapping its icon in file manager.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Android Development] Bombenbach:
On the latest build it's also in Menu -> Accessories -> Keyboard. This gives you a nice matchbox-keyboard :D