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[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Uqbar:
Linux is the kernel. And GNU/LInux is the (basic) OS with all the GNU stuff.

So I can say that 99% of Linux kernel based distros are Linux.

It is fragmented. Take an application at random, let's say Openoffice or GIMP.

You cannot just download ONE aplication and install it on any distro. That's not because of the packaging medium (RPM, DEB, TGZ etc.) but because of software and library dependecies and other system dependent choices.

If you choose, let's say, Ubuntu 9.10 and the package (version) you need is not available for it, then it's up to you to invest in time in makeing an hand made installation ...

That's because the human resources are scarse, not because of the "closed" model. And then you have a choice among super-distributions on top of FreeBSD, though.

I can count not less than half a dozen of 2.1 based ROMs all with very minor differences each other. And the same goes for the 1.5.

I cannot swear on it, but I think that the biggest gap is in less than 5% of the whole system.

EUR 0.005 ~ GBP 0.01
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] adwinp:
5%? How did you come to such a precise conclusion?

Do share your calculations with us. O_o

I guess you didn't take into account some of the AOSP based ROMs.

I do agree; there's A LOT of cloning; a guy taking someone's ROM, repackaging with some "customization", and calling it his own work.

This is one of the reasons I totally left the WinMo devving, but I knew it was a matter of time till the same happened to the Android scene.

That's sad, but true.

I don't even care about some of the guys calling themselves "devs", just because they "released" a few roms, who don't even give credit to the people, thanks to whom they learnt/started.

As long as they get enough attention to their thread, they no longer care about the aformentioned. What for? ... It's like a machine which just turns itself after a while.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Sergio PC:
The more ROMS we have the better, the thread title is a backwards title.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Uqbar:
No calculation. Simply I compare performances and features from 3.3 to 3.4.

3.4 is no more stable or fast than 3.4, to me at least.

Memory footprint is almost the same. Not FC in aither ROM ...

And I bet that if nprussel brought anything bigger than 5% he would have put it into the annoucement.

Instead it shows little more than new application list and a GUI theme.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] anarchyuk:
My point about the fragmentation was in relation to the kernel not a minor thing like dependency's that really has no relation to fragmentation, The Distribution is called a Linux based distribution not "Linux" in an entirety!

Anyway... I know what the above posters are getting at when it comes to people making a minor change to other peoples dumps and claiming to be dev's when really they are nothing more than cooks.

No to take away any credit for what the produce but if you look at the g1 forums it seems a mass of good work, but very little low level development actually happens on the hero side.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] grassiekuik:
Hey man.. Am I missing something or aren't you cooking anymore? :(

OT: i totally agree by what you say about releasing a rom that just doesn't need any hardcore coding. Even I without any linux skills can "cook" (read: remove / add apps) This is not creating a rom. This is personalizing one to suit your needs.

Creating a rom imho is coming up with new (speed) hacks or options to make it more functional. Or better looking. From what I "learned" even creating a skin isn't that easy as it was with winmo with all that scripting.

my 2k :P
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] jmhalder:
Meh, I have a G1, its pretty obvious when roms stand out, for the G1

SuperD (1.6)

FastTest (1.6) based on SuperD, but bleeding edge

CyanogenMod (1.6) Stable, more than anything

OpenEclair (2.1) Collaborative project between ChrisSaywer/WesGarner

and for 2.1 sense roms, I normally run a KingKlick rom...

it seems, for stability, and general acceptance that Fresh is the way to go, but there are other builds that use his stuff for a base that are more bleeding edge but have improvements... its pretty easy to see whats popular just by a view/post count on the thread.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] nprussell:
VillainROM 3.3:

1. Linpack: 2.336 MFLOPS (more is better)

2. BenchmarkPi: 13664ms (less is better)

3. Benchmark: (more is better)

* Graphic: Total graphics score - 123.18746

* CPU: Total CPU score - 157.91457

* Memory: Total memory score - 139.30379

* Filesystem: Total filesystem score - 25.63833

VillainROM 3.4:

1. Linpack: 2.372 MFLOPS (more is better)

2. BenchmarkPi: 13049ms (less is better)

3. Benchmark: (more is better)

* Graphic: Total graphics score - 129.06668

* CPU: Total CPU score - 149.84908

* Memory: Total memory score - 131.71753

* Filesystem: Total filesystem score - 34.176556

I suppose 5% is close. I didn't claim it would be significantly quicker. It's definitely quicker though.

Anyway, that's besides the point.

Benham is leading the way right now in my opinion, but I have just got my hands on a Legend leak, that I have got to boot on the Hero. I'm currently trying to get all the hardware working (Wifi, mic, back speaker, GPS all not working). I have asked a couple of other developers for some help, and we'll probably release it as a community release.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Bram77:
I think the rom developers should start working together and create teams. Maybe some could focus on fixing stability issues, some on improving speed and compatibility, some on implementing features from other rom releases and some on optimizing and implementing themes. There is a optimum for the OS, so why put a lot of time and effort into fixing the same bugs and problems over and over again in different rom releases? The differences lay within the themes and included features, which could be made available as separate (and optional) installer packages. So I say..... organize and collaborate! Independent Android development (independent from the manufacturers) as a community will be much more powerful and professional.

Different branches could emerge from the Hero branch easily, making the developers base grow and 'interaction' between the different branches a lot easier.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] svirre26:
So, err..in other words; Workers of the world unite? ;) well, im a keen supporter of that :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Nebvin:
There already is a centralized place for the development of Android: source.android.com

The ability to do real development on a Sense UI based rom is really dependent on HTC, as without the source code there is only so much that can be done.

As far as telling devs they can't work on a rom because someone else already has, has to remember that this work is done for fun. It is kind of like going to a craft fair and telling everyone that they are wasting time creating things that they enjoy, and that they'd be alot more productive if they all worked together making one single product.
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] cinq:
Leading the way in stability of releases, responsiveness and helpfulness of the developer, forthcoming-ness of fellow users to contribute fixes/wiki how-tos?

I personally don't think so. It's VillainROM in the lead then, just my humble 2 cents.
[Click Android Development] penzy:
can any one suggest me gps software for india map
[Click Android Development] sheik_yerbouti:
Search the Tattoo sub-forum for Google Maps Navigation, and you'll find a cracked version of Maps with Navigation enabled. Works well for me.
[Click Android Development] prateekparag:
A lot of GPS company is providing GPS maps for India at very cheap rates or for free. Also they are offering GPS maps for the mobile phones also. I really like the services offered by SatGuide.

Regards
[Android Software Development] rrmojlogin:
Hi.

How can i use acceptCall() method.

I now that standard sdk doesen't contein this methot, but for example htc write his own Phon application, so it's posible.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cusford:
hi people.

i unlocked my hero last night and put my t-mobile simcard in.

it wont pick up any 3g/h/gprs coverage, and was wondering if i manually have to put the settings in for t-mobile?

it will let me make calls and send text sthough.

anyone else experienced this? thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kien:
Probably need to setup the T-mobile APN's.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] gadgetwizard:
Kien is correct. Although the Hero should still pick up a 3G signal without the correct settings you will not be able to use the WEB and Email services until you enter the correct APN's

you will also need to set up the MMS APN too, otherwise you will not receive picture messages.

You can find the UK T-Mobile settings on the web site here: http://www.filesaveas.com/gprs.html

and the MMS settings on the same web site here:

http://www.filesaveas.com/mms.html

Good luck.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cusford:
thanks a lot for the answers :) i'm definitely not getting any indication of getting a G/3G signal? :confused: its really strange. i only get the signal indicator for sms/voice

is this right? and then when i do put the settings in, it should just appear? i have the mobile signal turned on, so should be able to get on the web surely ?

thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Swedeman1:
Fruit confusion

It would appear you have mistaken your telephonic device for a piece of fruit - perhaps this would explain not only the problem you have expressed here but other confusions in your life. Alternatively, this may be a hark back to the early part of the 20th century, specifically alluding to surrealism. Taking inspiration from Magritte's "Ceci n'est pas une pipe" (This is not a pipe) you have cleverly and thought provokingly made a statement about your 'Orangephone' - perhaps you could produce a scupltural piece along the lines of Dali's 'Lobsterphone' - Congratulations are therefore appropraite for two reasons:

1 - The creation of Neo-surrealism

2 - A thought provoking discussion on the dadaist / surreal 'Orangephone'

Bravo Sir - I take my hat off to you (Ceci n'est pas un chapeau !!!!)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cusford:
eh? what you going on about?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] gadgetwizard:
mmm, i would have have thought that if you were in range of a T-Mobile 3G mast then you would still see a 3G indicator regardless of the settings. It's true, you will need to enter the t-mobile settings to access the web.

You will, of course still get access to the web and email without 3G it will just be slower.

I'd check the following:

1. Does t-mobile have 3G where you are?

2. Is the SIM card activated for data?

3. Check that 3G is enabled in the Hero settings, it can get turned off?

4. Does the Hero access the web when the APN settings are configured, even without 3G (which would then be 2G)?

5. If you can get slow access to the web as in 4. then check 1 and 2 again.

6. Try another SIM card if you have one.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] n00b001:
a spherical orangephone would be quite useless though, it would roll around, you wouldn't be able to speak into it properly.. Unless you do what Dali did and get a old land line phone and glue/attach an orange on - but then it would look like an obscene growth...

Either way - This is my pipe.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cusford:
the t-mobile simcard has 3g activated because it worked on my old phone.

the 3g sign isn't there at all :( but is with the orange simcard.

new to android (a wm6.5 user) and dont know where to edit the settings? thanks for the help
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ddotpatel:
Its definately the settings!!!

My spanking new Hero was delivered this morning (also on Orange),... No 3G or HSDPA signal showed with my O2 sim until I added the APN settings.

You need to go into SETTINGS -> WIRELESS CONTROLS -> MOBILE NETWORK SETTINGS -> ACCESS POINT NAMES.

Then hit your 'MENU' button, select NEW APN,... Then add your gprs/internet settings.

Name: T-Mobile UK

APN: general.t-mobile.uk

Proxy:

Port:

Username: user (alt: wapuser)

Password: wap

Server:

MMSC: http://mmsc.t-mobile.co.uk:8002

MMS proxy: 149.254.201.135

MMS port: 8080

MCC: 234

MNC: 30

APN type:

I think that should enable both your MMS and GPRS. If all fails, take a trip into town to a t-mobile store and get someone to get the settings off a handset for you.

Hope that helps.

Now i need to figure out how to get the orange crap off and put a stock rom on.

Peace.
[Touch Cruise General] mouse.co.nr:
Hi, I have a Pola200 O2 xda orbit2 version.

Have updated it to the italian official Rom (htc site), and all was fine,

the Rom was a bit slow, so I was looking for other Roms, and got attracted by 3Lit3 viii full.

once updated the 3lit3 I've started having some problems!:mad:

1) I was using an Arabizer (IMAGINET ARABIZER) that allow another keyboard option, besides my italian standard keyboard.

once installed 3lit3 I don't know why but

NO LANGUAGE PACKAGE could be installed

, no problem with any other software installation, but these language pachages were not accepted anymore "

install unsuccessfull

".:confused:

2)

WI-FI

, I have and I usually use, now my wi-fi drops down after 2 seconds! what the hell is happening?:eek:

I have returned back to the HTC original ROM from the HTC website, but no way, still the same problem!

Have tried different 3LIT3, Vii WWE, Viii ita full,V3 ita light, V3 wwe... no change! nor for the first nither for the second problem.

how can I restore it? I have tried factory restore but even after, it still the same

What to do?

Note: I have tried RADIO updates, Radio 1.59.44.02, 1.59.42,.... nothing changes!
[Touch Cruise General] mouse.co.nr:
Wi-Fi solved, my mistake... I feel silly :p

if it's connected to the internet through Active Sync LAN, cann not connect to Wi-Fi!

once unplugged it worked great!:D ehehehe

my only problem stays problem Nr.1

How can I add a different character type and emission system?

is there a protection that has been activated during my first 3lit3 Rom update?

I have tried 3 different program types doing this job, none of them worked, all stopped at the same point, this makes me think of a sort of protection or something...

What do you think?
[Touch Cruise General] Alex-V:
Don´t know if you mean this but if you would install something like this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=426281

you must terminate the "SipGT_app" process first, or you won't be able to install.

:)
[Touch Cruise General] mouse.co.nr:
Thanks Alexander for your reply,

I have installed a taskmanager, http://www.dotfred.net/TaskMgr.htm

looked for the SipGT_app.exe, but it's not in the active applications list!

I have also looked for any geographical reference program to terminate.

but there were no other application ending with "GT"!

maybe in my polaris it's named differently?

I got a crash while terminating GWES, and another crach while terminating another prog I don't remember.. did many tries but with no success.

I think whay you suggested is the right way to think, end-up geo stuff, to add another Geo, bt I'm still looking for a way to do it.
[Touch Cruise General] emrause:
I put an answer for you on 3lit3 viii topic try it! I never had a problem with this Farsi tools (support RTL and Arabic too)
[Touch Cruise General] mouse.co.nr:
Thanks emrause, will have a try!
[HD2 General] the_tominator_1982:
Hi

I have my HD2 configured to give me a delivery report notification for SMS messages. When it pops up it says 'The TEST message has been delivered' not TEXT.

Although not a major problem, if anyone knows how to sort this I'd be grateful.

Many thanks,

Tom.
[Nexus One General] joernsn:
Does anyone have the apk for Tether beta?

link:

androinica.com/2010/03/10/get-a-beta-invite-to-the-new-android-tethering-app-tether/

I've signed up, but haven't heard anything yet.

I cannot post outside links since i'm a new user :(
[Nexus One General] TailsNeon556:
http://code.google.com/p/android-wifi-tether/
[Nexus One General] bogdi1988:
@TailsNen556

really?!?!?!

Tether is supposed to be an app that works on unrooted phones, just like PDANet... and since Wifi-tether is meant for ROOTED phones... so... yea...

@joernsn i don't think the beta is public yet... you can use pdanet if you want... works really well... until the tether beta is public, that might be your only solution... or you can root the phone and use the app that TailsNeon556 suggested...
[Nexus One General] TailsNeon556:
sorry... OP didnt state wether they were rooted or not.. hey just tryin to help..
[Nexus One General] bogdi1988:
:D it's all good
[Touch HD General] jenotc:
It is very handy application. I have it on MY Omnia, and I use it quite often.

More and more now I use my Blackstone and I have one very big problem ... for Toych HD there is no programs like Smart Converter for Samsung :confused: ..... Not even close ..

I already have tried some 9 of like likes :mad: , but they all ... I will be honest suck.

SO ... Maybe someone would be interested of porting this app for HTC devices.

Smart Converter - http://www.mediafire.com/?rczmcaw11ms

Smart Converter (DXIA5) - http://www.mediafire.com/?yznojyf2gmk
[Touch HD General] gswarbrick:
Have you tried EWUnitConvertor? Got it from Marketplace a couple of days ago and it seems pretty good to me...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] jenotc:
It is very handy application. I have it on MY Omnia, and I use it quite often.

More and more now I use my Blackstone and I have one very big problem ... for Toych HD there is no programs like Smart Converter for Samsung :confused: ..... Not even close ..

I already have tried some 9 of like likes :mad: , but they all ... I will be honest suck.

SO ... Maybe someone would be interested porting this app for HTC devices. I wuld be more than happy if anybody would do that. And I believe, that I am not the only one who would like to have this app on his HTC device.

Smart Converter - http://www.mediafire.com/?rczmcaw11ms

Smart Converter (DXIA5) - http://www.mediafire.com/?yznojyf2gmk
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] jenotc:
Really? ........... No one ..... even no support for request?
[HD2 General] atjong1:
I've mentioned it in another thread already but I found out it's possible to unlock the phone while it is still inside the stock pouch. So I did some testing to see how far I could come unlocking it through foreign material:

Phone inside stock pouch: YES

Pouch placed on top of phone (2 layers of pouch between phone and finger): YES

Plactic overhead sheet on top of phone: YES

1 paper sheet (A4) on top of phone: YES

6 paper sheets on top of phone: YES

12 paper sheets on top of phone: YES

24 paper sheets on top of phone: YES :eek:

Stack of Post-its on top of phone (approx 15 sheets): YES

Booklet (15 pages, plastic cover, cardboard back): YES :eek:

New sealed stack of Post-its on top of phone: NO

Teabag (unused) on top of phone: NO

Aluminum foil & plastic bubblegum bag on top of phone: NO

How come this is possible? I thought capacitive screens could not be used without touching them directly.
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
seeing as the unlock needs to 'slide' to the left or right how are you managing this in a pouch under a tone of paper? You must have WAY too much time on your hands
[HD2 General] meegulthwarp:
Take a look at this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitive_sensing

So anything that can conduct will create a signal on the screen. That is why you can use a sausage instead of your finger.
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
weird, mine is only working till about 5 pages of paper, with 6 its having difficulties and 7 isnt working at all.. are there differences in hd2 screen's?
[HD2 General] lepszy:
you people have too much time...
[HD2 General] Sultan1993:
30 sheets of paper - worked ;)
[HD2 General] supermaster:
I've been wondering... where is the Unlocking code generator if any has could you please post? or pm?

cheers
[HD2 General] lakeland:
possibly something to do with water content of the paper
[HD2 General] atjong1:
Yes, a sausage conducts. But a finger behind 24 sheets of paper surely doesn't!

Wikipedia didn't give any technical info on how capacitive sensing works..

Yes! We all do don't we? :D
[HD2 General] ransflyer:
So all we need is a case made from Tea bags. ;-)
[HD2 General] meegulthwarp:
This is in the links section of the Wiki page I posted, I think its technical enough.
[HD2 General] theclueless:
have you try winter gloves? if it is a yes, i would be reeeeally happy :D
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
basically... what a capacitive screen does is fire electrons across its surface.

It then registers any electrical interference ie/ the electricity generated in your own body conducted through your finger.
[HD2 General] Maximillion195:
Made me laugh, Found my new stylus =D
[HD2 General] Shockwave Pyrotechnics:
Talking of gloves, I use these out in the field (I run a Fireworks Display Company) and these gloves work in all weathers and temperatures on the HD2 :)
[HD2 General] mmarkk:
Well I must agree with topicstarter Atjong, sometimes the phone was unlocked when I got it out of my backpocket and there where programs started/keys pressed.

So my ass is capable of unlocking the phone, and yes is do wear underpants and my ass is very sexy :cool:
[HD2 General] pa49:
I just roasted a turkey and threw it and all the trimmings at my HD2 to run tests on the capacitiveness of roasted animal flesh and the effects of oily veg on the friction build up on the screen.

Unfortunately the results were inconclusive.

You guys kill me!
[HD2 General] Lordsauron:
Hi every one,

I have the hd2 and love it, BUT.

almost every time i take a call it will connect and will not hear any thing the other side doesn't hear me to. i can hangup. i try to turn the phone off and it will react but won't turn off, after that it is like the touchscreen isn't responding to any thing. i have to pull the battery to get it to shut off. after a clean boot, i can take a call and every thing will work fine.

it is a almost fresh install with the exception of the flowing:

duttys task manager

tsowen taskbar

Microsoft Facebook

TomTom Navigator

Microsoft MyPhone.

Microsoft Marketplace

Local newspaper app. (Telegraaf)

Any one else having this problem, and maybe a solution. to me it looks like a software problem as the problem is solved by a restart.
[HD2 General] vietprid3:
Ur probly on the stock rom right best chance is to Flash to a cooked rom atleast thats what i think :P

I have all the apps u have and i dont have that problem ^^
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
If he were to go to those lengths to potentially fix this, he would be better:

Hard resetting

Then install the programs one by one and testing in between to see if the call are still affected.
[HD2 General] Lordsauron:
Yeah the step from stock to cooked, I'm not willing to go that far yet, i did think about the app at a time approach but as it is hard to reproduce the error several day's would be between app installs and i don't like that. but if no other solutions are given i will have to :(
[HD2 General] Fazanders:
Mine was doing that on the stock rom's and some of the cooked ones. Only thing i found that seems to have worked is the some of the cooked roms with Radio 2.07 or 2.08. Works for me :)
[HD2 General] aLlamaWithARifle:
before you say to search i have done a bit...

I've seen the reg tweak but that doesn't work with twitter or weather updating, I've seen an app or two that will disconnect data usage after idol time except they weren't free.

so are thee any apps that will close data connection when it is idle which is also free
[HD2 General] typex:
the best

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=477919
[HD2 General] afropolak:
WMLongLife - or something like that - try to search it. Few trys with configuration and works perfect.
[HD2 General] Smith2001:
just for you information, i had to disable facebook auto updates every 2 hours to get Dial-up enablerDisabler to work with my 2 mins turn off for data.

Settings > Data services > facebook set data sync untick the box to auto update.

I found without doing this i would still find my HD2 connected for 4 hours continous and i could not understand why when i had set the auto disconnect.