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[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
There are some WP7 restrictions that I wholeheartedly welcome - i.e. limiting OEMs in what they can preload and how. If anything, my major gripe here is that their crapware will survive hard reset. A homogenous hardware platform is also a welcome change as far as I'm concerned - these are for my interests.

There are some restrictions that are unwelcome, but make sense because of other restrictions in place - i.e. removable SD cards are useless if you don't have file system access and have unified storage.

There are restrictions about which I kind of don't care even though I can see why they are a bummer for some others - i.e. sideloading or changing OS shell.

There are restrictions that are put forth for technical reasons - lack of IPC and multitasking. These are unfortunate, especially the former.

There are, on the other hand, restrictions that make me really pissed off because they will hurt my experience - lack of file system access first and foremost.

From this perspective, if I evaluate WP7 and iPhone I want more flexibility. If I look at WM and Android I wish those platforms had more restrictions. Both flexibility and restrictions can serve my interests, so it's a matter of the right combination. And the sad fact is that as far as I'm concerned nobody does it right out of the box. So the next question for me is - can I do the preset combinations better for my needs? And it turns out that both flexible and rigid platforms, while still not being perfect, can do the job, and not necessarily the more rigid one needs more hacking around or that the more flexible one will necessarily work better for what you need it to do. Then you add hardware to the mix, account for built-in stuff and some esthetic preferences, and the choice isn't that obvious anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
updated first post

No copy and paste

Yes, it is true.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ramdroid77:
You're wrong! First off, I'm from Europe so the currency is EURO, if you ever heard of that. I'm pretty new to xda devs so I never asked for donations nor do I plan to. so what was your issue again? and what's wrong if MS are earning millions of billions of dollars? as soon as they steal back marketshares from Apple I'm fine! They do it no matter what we are doing on this board. so what do YOU wanna do? keep smoking?
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
You buy phones because they have market share?

I buy phones because they do what I want. WP7 can not do what I want.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ramdroid77:
where did I write that? I was just stating that MS will probably make a lot of money and steal marketshare from Apple. I don't know what the other guy was trying to say but I thought I give it a ride!
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
Because you said you are happy when they gain market share?! I hate Apple but I could not care less about the market share, I just want a phone that does what I need.

If I want someone to get market share, then that's the makers of the phones that do what I need: Nokia, Google, Palm...

The will maybe earn billions with WP7 but what do I care about that? I don't give a ****. And they won't get one cent from me as long as their phones can not do what I need.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
yeah no copy & paste is a super big fail:( lets hope they add it soon after launch
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
Why? You can just get another phone. Is WP7 really worth waiting for them to add copy and paste? I don't think so.
[Windows Phone 7 General] julian2596:
l

the phone didnt even come out stop talking about it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
lol it was officially announced and all of it is confirmed so shut up
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't know, and the problem is, other mobile platforms suck as well, so it's picking the least of the evils here.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
why would i need another phone? they could add it via software update & yes its worth waiting for copy & paste for me, cuz honestly i mite use copy & paste twice a month
[Windows Phone 7 General] fb401:
No copy & paste = Game over.

It completely seems like WP7 is Microsoft's huge middle finger to enterprise, power users and xda-devs.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Drones who want an iPhone will buy an iPhone while power users will stick with WM6.5 or Android. WP7 will fail to gain any marketshare and MS will lose marketshare because it will cannibalize WM6.5.

MS has taken itself out of mobile (at least until WP8).
[Windows Phone 7 General] pilgrim011:
Well, if you need copy/paste or multitasking or USB thumb drive mode or file system access or SD card or... You cannot buy a device that doesn't have that needed feature, so after you acknowledge that, you should just choose an OS that have the feature/s you need.;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] stoolzo:
so, so far we have:

no thumb drive operation

no file win file access

no customisable UI

no copy and paste

no true multitasking

no program install without market place

MS censored programs only

no backward compatibility

starting to sound familiar?

To be honest I dont know why people are arguing, this is clearly a kick in face for XDA, small time programmers and tweakers, those who dont think so clearly dont understand the scale of the issue.

For me this is like valve announcing that half life episode 3 is going to be mac OS only. I wonder what HTC think about phone7, they have stayed fairly quiet, they have invested a lot in 6.5 and sense goes a long way to selling a lot of their phones. Sense and other HTC apps stand out above the other 6.5 phone offerings, MS have just swept all that away. Give it 12-18 months and 6.5 will be dead, there will be no new phones coming out and dev will have stopped beyond XDA.
[Windows Phone 7 General] stoolzo:
sums it up

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=14366
[Windows Phone 7 General] aussiebum:
twice a month? I used to be like that too... until I started using my phone like the PocketPC it's supposed to be! Now I copy-and-paste links that I wanna download on my faster PC connection into a text file which I get off my phone via usb mode when I get home (work blocks certain sites).

no copy and paste is the final straw - even the iPhone has it fer christ sakes. yeah yeah, we know they can add these back via updates and trumpet them as "new features! zomg we're magical" like Apple does, but honestly when most competing OSes already have these features, it does seem a bit shortsighted not to have simple features like these ready in advance.

With all these limitations, it almost seems like MS is aiming to beat the iPhone.... 2G from 2007. Sorry MS, but get ur head out of the sand and check the calendar... it's 2010! :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] koalaii:
office mobile

If no copy/paste, if you can't use your phone as a USB key, that means it will become useless to put presentations and spreadsheet in the phone... meaning will they abandon Office Mobile ?

I'm a big fan of Windows Mobile, if WP7 is just like the Iphone, I would rather buy the Iphone.

What was needed was only Windows Mobile with a much better interface and a great marketing campaign. They could have killed the Iphone, instead of that it will only be another Iphone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jiyuu:
people, seriuosly about the cut\copy&paste the OS is still at least 4-5 monthes away from production, you don't really think they won't add that feature after all of the negative buzz apple got for it?

and about the installation of applications, they haven't officialy said that there won't be a way to install applications other then the market place, so its really that we simply don't know we can.

i think we will be able to install applications, but only silverlight apps, no XNA games.

i base that on the idea that WPS7 will support silverlight 3, and one of the features of silverlight 3 is the ability to install web apps to the local computer

microsoft.com/silverlight/out-of-browser

and regarding multitasking, well at the moment there already are a couple of threads over here of people that claim they multitasked on the emulator,

so i think theres a pretty good chance we will be able to at least somewhat multitask.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
No OS has everything I need, they all lack something important. And because you're probably hinting at Android - no, I like it least of all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
What exactly does Android lack?

It even has Exchange now with HTC Desire.

Android lacks nothing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
Actually I wouldn't want ANY additional restrictions on Android.

Obviously you don't know what you're talking about, cause you haven't used it.

EVERY single piece of additional freedom that Android has over iPhone/WP7 is good.

HTC's "crapware" makes it a lot more enjoyable, adding a nicer design and useful features, in other words the "polish", until Google does it.

The freedom in the Market makes great applications possible that will never exist on the iPhone, like alternative, much better media players (yes, better than iPod and Zune).

And no need to argue about file system access, storage cards or multitasking, they're not only good, but absolutely necessary. If you've ever used an iPhone for some time, you know how much the lack of file system access sucks.

There is NO need for any restrictions. They don't make anything better, they're nothing but annoying.

Unfortunately there's only one OS that proves this, that proves that there is no need for any restrictions and a great user experience is possible without restrictions. Of course, if you haven't used it, you can't know it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yes I have.

Android needs lipstick, that's true. It's still crapware because it makes updating problematic, just to name one issue.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
There's not an issue at all. If you don't want it, don't buy it. That's the whole point with freedom and choice ya know.

And no, you haven't used it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Apparently, you're not familiar with the concept of loyalty. Loyalty also is responsible for jumping in to defend your friend in a bar fight or not cheating on your spouse. Loyalty to brand causes us to be concerned with products such as what's out there about Windows Phone 7. Sure, Microsoft isn't your spouse, but some of us focus on what we invest in and not just spend money on a whim and not respect its value. When I invest, I want product and brand and thus develop loyalty to brands that have been good to me. When they stray, emotions fly because loyalty is not developed on a whim in the first place and thus should be respected.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm not buying what I don't want, what exactly is your point?
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
My point is that you don't get the point.

@rorytmeadows I fully understand if people stay "loyal" to a certain product, e.g. if someone doesn't want to leave WM. But WP7 is a totally new and different product. It's not WM.

What I do NOT understand is staying "loyal" to a company. It just doesn't make sense. Unless you are a fanboy, employee or shareholder.

Going from WM to WP7 because it's also made by Microsoft? Makes no sense, cause you can't take anything with you (like the apps you've paid for).

And don't get me wrong, I actually like a lot of what Microsoft is doing. Windows 7 is hands down the best OS out there and nothing comes close to Office. I LOVE Windows Media Center. But what they've done (or rather NOT done) with phones is ridiculous, as is all their talk about "three screens and the cloud", when in reality, their products don't work together at all - contrary to some competitor's (you know, the Android maker) products.

You see, every company is doing some things right, and some things wrong. Android is simply great, but there are other Google products that suck. Windows is great but Microsoft just doesn't get phone software. I like the ergonomics of Apple laptops but their OS is crap, as is the iPad. And don't get me started about stupid censorship and the anti-Flash war.

None of those companies is making only good stuff. If something is good, I give them credit, if they make crap stuff, I'll not hesitate to say that - regardless of the name of that company.

There is no point in defending a company (like with bogus arguments like "appealing to the masses") or being "loyal" to a company. Being "loyal" to a product because you invested a lot? Nothing wrong with that.

Oh and sorry for any typing mistakes, I typed the whole text on a phone (like actually all of my posts).
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
And by the way, this is interesting: http://polldaddy.com/poll/3286665/?view=results

Shows people hate restrictions (iPhone) just as much as they hate bugs and a crappy UI (WM). Apparently restrictions aren't so good for the user experience after all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
What's wrong with being loyal to a company because you invested a lot? Why can't you just interchange product with company? You say that no company makes only great things, well not every product is all great either. I love Windows 7 greatly, but I couldn't get my video card to stream TV out over the internet with it for months after getting it. It also doesn't run my Sim City 4 without crashing either.

I've defended Microsoft to no end. Especially when confronting Apple fanboys when I'd love to just take their iPhone and MacBooks and beat them mercilessly with them, all the while yelling, "YOU KNOW JACK SH*T ABOUT COMPUTERS!!!!!"

I'm assuming you're loyal to your friends, right? Family the same, right? Even if they f**k up now and then? Still loyal?

Of course.

Saying "loyalty to a company is just CRAZY!!!" is, in fact, not a logical argument for not doing it.

And I'm not sure what point the other link is making. I for one, stand by my belief, that most people will go out and buy whatever is "cooler" to own and denial prevents them from admitting it. Most people in this world still think they don't have to earn attention.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
You can't interchange product with company. That's nonsense.

If you've invested a lot into WM, it's perfectly right to stay with that. But in that case, moving to WP7 makes just as little sense as moving to anything else, cause in either case, you can't take the stuff you've paid for with you.

What I'm saying is: Just because one product from a company is good, you don't have to buy all their other products. In fact, that would be stupid.

(though especially Apple fanboys do it all the time, but that's a cult, they're stupid anyway)

Being "loyal" to a product, if you'be invested a lot, makes sense. Being loyal to a company does not (unless of course you've invested in shares).

And if you're loyal to friends or family, you usually get something back from them. Defending a company if they f*ck up doesn't get you anything (except for fanboy calls).

Your "analogy" simply doesn't work. There's a huge difference between being loyal to a product (because you invested in it), being loyal to a company (because you're a fanboy or shareholder or employee) and being loyal to friends (because they're friends).
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Why does being loyal mean that I only buy their products? I can have more than one friend, right?
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
That's not what I said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Why is being loyal to a company crazy? No one said anything about buying all of their products.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pickles319:
Because if we (Americans) go try to buy a phone that is not locked down to a carrier, it ends up costing a ton of money for a phone that can be had for a fraction of the cost by getting it with a contract. I personally hate this system, but an HD2 can be had for 199.99 USD with a contract while I have seen unlocked versions cost upwards of 700 USD. It's all an issue of money.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cgigate:
Microsoft loses direction.

Bill Gates should come back!

Steve Ballmer is ruining Microsoft
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Actually, I don't think it's an issue of money. There are plenty of idiots in this country that maxed out their credit card and signed mortgages they can't afford setting the economy into a downturn. I think it really boils down to the impulsive idiocracy that is the majority of this nation. They buy what everyone else has, so they fit in, even if it's not a well-thought purchase. They are too STUPID to read about a product before buying. Take a look at reasons why people returned the iPad; there's a good chunk that didn't know it didn't have Flash or USB ports. ARE YOU F**KING THAT STUPID!?!?!?!?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] JAguirre1231:
Apparently.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Let's blow $500+ on something you barely read about. Wow. Unbelievable. I'm so glad there's nobody THAT stupid on XDA!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jokes On You:
You seem very adamant about the failure of WP7. Have you looked or tried the emulator? Have you seen some the products that are being created? Some of the applications created are very nice. I do admit that after MIX I was upset with MS for completely changing direction but after trying the product a little it does have its advantages. Now their are issues with it(drivers,storage, title limitations) but it does have potential. I just hope MS fixes the images before launch those blue boxes with not go over well with the end users.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Oh no, don't get me wrong. I want MS to succeed and make lots of money. I'm not a current stockholder, but I'm thinking about it heavily. But what I really want is for WP7 to be hacked so I can do what I want with it. That's why I buy Microsoft. I refuse to pay for apps on my phone when I use them so sparingly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] + Que PPC:
We could talk as much as we can say about MSFT or WP7 or the good things or bad things it COULD be on future or of likes or dislike to buy or been ST·"$ID... but lets talk correctly ppl we dont want a flame war.

Its a discussion board? or what?

Stay cool ppl.
[Windows Phone 7 General] flashpanda:
What exactly is the point of a smartphone if you take apps out of the equation?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
No one said anything about taking apps out of the equation.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thx1200:
Word. Loyalty is earned, not given away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Jokes On You:
That will happen eventually the WinCE7 download is out and it wont be long until their are roms and such.
[Windows Phone 7 General] crobs808:
Thanks for the reminder, Lt. Worf
[Windows Phone 7 General] curvyjomanjy:
That is very sad! If these are true, I don't think I will be wasting a penny on WM7 phone! .. I'm addict to WM phones because they don't have these limitations..

Is there a trusted source you got these information from?

Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 General] hungry81:
I also will not buy an outdated iphone clone just because apple isnt making it. I havent bought apple because I dont like the hype surrounding them, and their philosophy. I like the freedom to use my phone as I wish and play around with it. I like Storage cards and USB connectivity and file system access. The more options the better. My next phone will be android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] shaundalglish:
Now that I've seen yesterday how "fast" Apple is innovating with the iPhone (that is, NOT AT ALL), I'm actually convinced that WP7 is not a failure.

Since it competes more directly with the iPhone, than with Android, I have to say: Go WP7!
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Plus, unlike Apple, who updates their software with every hardware release at most once a year, Microsoft can just push out updates like Android. No copy and paste at release? No file access at release? It could be on its way in an update...
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
Regardless of what any of us think, the rest of the pack is still playing catchup to the Iphone. That why one phone can have 27% of cell phone traffic as opposed to the 19% Windows Phone an 9% Android respectively. Innovation is seen best in big leaps but when it comes down to it the Iphone is so far ahead that android has a LOOOOONG way to go even with the fact that its being sold by every major Cell Phone service provider and has dozens of different phones. But considering its massive potential and the fact that we will be seeing it on tablets and netbooks soon it could be something big happening in its future as long as ChromeOS has some good android support similar to the way WP7 will be supported by Windows 7. However I do agree with the GO WP7....lol.

~style~

And you guys may disagree as you are well within your rights to do, but looking it the way it is, people follow pack mentality, even if the Iphone doesn't innovate, just the fact that its a new iphone means it will sell a trillion copies. Pack mentality; what can I say...people want to be hip.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
There is no way that the iPhone is dominating the market in terms of innovation. Let's take the iPhone 4 for example. It has 300+ppi resolution (done years ago with WM phones), front facing video (90% of European smartphones already have this), 32GB disk space (32GB card interchangeable [better] already available), 1Ghz processor (done months ago by HTC)...Where is that innovation? The only thing that makes people think it's innovation is their advertising. They are the ones that come out and announce it to everyone. That's like going to a movie on opening weekend, the movie opened Friday, but you went on Sunday and announced to the world that you saw it first. Do you think that everyone who believes you is an idiot? I would.

This is why the iPhone sells:IMAGE

Think about why there's such feelings on the opposing side. You can explain to an iFanboy until you're blue in the face why your Evo or HD2 blows their iPhone out of the water, but they will find someway to mask the fact that "everyone else has it so that makes me cool". The fact of the matter is, this isn't high school and iFanboys can't leave that mentality back at grade school.

The iPhone sells. We know this. But it sells because it's the "thing" to have. If you don't have an iPhone, you're just not cool. But anyone that truly believes that is ignorant. But because they have an iPhone, they walk around thinking they know something about technology because they have a "gadget". I'm sorry, but an iPhone is not a gadget. The correct term is gimmick.

If Windows Phone 7 wants to go that way, I'm not saying it's the end for my "fanning" of Microsoft, but it leaves a bittersweet taste in my mouth. You don't need to be what these overgrown high schoolers think is cool to sell. Microsoft Office isn't "hip" to own and yet it's the most popular productivity software in the world by 100X.
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
I agree wholeheartly with everything you said. Honestly if I wanted to be longwinded about it, I would add on to that with some blog worthy material...lol. But you said it dead on bro. But keep in mind those same Iphone kids are the same ones sitting in starbucks with a snowcap on in the middle of the summer, I can't say I envy them..lol. But I honestly don't believe that WP7 is going that same route. Although those same gadget kids might drop their Iphone to try WP7 it doesn't make WP7 a gimmick phone. So far it just seems to do everything so well, to keep App downloading to a minimum, so people will be able to spend their app store money on the things they want not the things that add the functionality of basic stuff that the phone should already have (IE: ChompSMS, Dolphin Browser for Android).

~style~
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
I live in Upstate NY so in the wintertime, they are out, in front of the cafe that neighbors our music school, in the snow playing chess.
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
lmao, sights like that brighten my day.

~style~