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[HD2 General] brandi:
Just LOL! You don't have a big of a clue!

Good software is been developed for way older things, also the HD2 with WM6.5.5 is capable of more then WMPS7 will ever be, because that is a "stylish peace of bull****" like the iphone.

I love my 6.5.5 because I really control it, and i can do whatever I want, and can access on my phone what ever I want! Show me that an all the other boring phones!

I am not even going to Flash WMPS7, if it will be released or not, because it brings everything i allways hated about the Iphone, and I dont need a MS Iphone...
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
So apparently WP7S won't have copy and paste...

:confused:
[HD2 General] brandi:
that can't be true! It would be soooo sad! hahaha, if that is true microsoft is fooling themselves!
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
The no memory card support thing was also completely WTF.

Basically, they took everything that was good about WM6 and tossed it away.

Stuff Wp7S, I now want an Android port more.
[HD2 General] sm3rtlag3l:
No copy and paste...

You should be glad the the HD2 is not getting an upgrade!
[HD2 General] aszu:
LOL, I would never suspect that this thread will become "Official HTC & MS bashing thread" :D

Sorry guys, looks like I was a victim of some prank (unless MS is still hiding something from us) :/

P.S I changed subject to make it more appropriate :p
[HD2 General] tonyjansen:
No memory card, no copy & paste, app-store lock-in...

Time for a serious look at that Android based Dell Mini 5 that's supposed to be released next month or thereafter... I mean, us HD2 carrying screen fetishists are not going to mind an even slightly bigger screen now, do we?
[HD2 General] pack21:
MS - Windows Mobile

Bye bye Windows Mobile.....and will not buy HTC devices.

Comeone Palm WebOS.:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] chrism_scotland:
I've seen Engadget suggesting that maybe HTC should upgrade the HD2 to Android, sadly wishful thinking I suspect......
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Because your thoughts / needs are somewhat limited. This could be the only explanation to your extreme satisfaction to a technical disaster.

No, it doesn't. Think at what the hardware can do, don't stop at what you think is possible.

It's not my fault if you buy top of the line phones to fulfill basic needs. Generally speaking, an average HD2 owner have generally much more expectations than sending a bunch of emails.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
In a real world is not viable. You can't officially transform a Windows Mobile phone in an Android one. You can't sell something with a given spec and change those specs over time. At least not in many countries. Never happened in the past and never will in the future. Strange that the suggestion comes from engadget. Probably they hired some hard noobs recently (not that I think they're experts).
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Why isnt it possible? HTC could always have the HD2 sell as a WM device, but it can have a option to change to android off its website. It doesn't have to sell it as an android device.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Just makes me laugh.

Will not be updated. Will get an update!!! Confirmed, no update. OFFICIAL from insider source, UPDATE!!! Oh no, no update, official this time! And whatever still is to come in the 7? months or so before the first actual WP7 device gets out?

You should all stop wasting your and everyone's time plus 17 pages x many threads for absolutely nothing...
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
^What he said.

And what also surprised me was not being allowed to use your phone as a disk drive. I mean, seriously, how does that streamline the user experience ;)

EDIT: I just realized something - How will office work on a phone with no clipboard?
[HD2 General] sm3rtlag3l:
They said there is no copy and paste in office.

Don't know, maybe you can not edit office files at all?!
[HD2 General] dameon12:
whats wrong with these guys nowadays? or better: whats wrong with the tags around this thread? "WANNA POO ... WOMEN PIG" omg...:cool::eek::cool:
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Christ help us - who cares... enjoy your phone now, or are people gonna get pissed because the HD2 wont run windows 9.11?
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
Indeed. The tags are hilarious :D
[HD2 General] froztii:
Amen.... i agree with you 100%

P.S. In times like this hd2 users should unite and write a complaint to htc about this and tell them to port android :>
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
I'm just glad this whole 'speculation' period is over.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Seriously, and I'm glad this happened before the TMobile release in the US finally hit. I can still resell my 9193 for as much as I bought it!

I love the phone and wish I could keep it, but like Benjiro said, in a few months the hardware will be nothing special (see the HTC Supersonic, et. al.) and we'll be left holding the bag until the Android folks can get things going. For now I just purchased a N1 and will flash a HTC Desire ROM onto it so I can keep Sense, since stock Android is a POS. And, I'll probably import a Telstra Desire when they finally release it next month and sell the N1 *shrug* (Desire looks a bit better IMO.)

I'll be back for the TD3/HD3, regardless of the inclusion/exclusion of copy paste in WP7S ;)
[HD2 General] emigrating:
No-one is arguing that the HD2 isn't the best handset available at the moment. It truly is, hardware wise. However, with no new applications being developed for it it's a bit like having an Amiga back in the day - you had plenty more power under the hood than your neighborhood Apple, Atari or PC users but as Apple/Microsoft stormed forward Atari and Commodore was left behind due to lack of support. The same thing is now happening with WinMo. Like I said, Adobe has already abandoned a Flash 10.1 release for it. Skype has not only said they will not release a new WinMo client, they have even removed their FULLY WORKING and existing client for download.

Yes, Microsoft [has said they] will continue to support WM65 for years to come, but once the developers have left the platform the users won't be far behind. Once the users have left, Microsoft will announce EOL.

Actually, a LOT of people will simply jump ship from WinMo to a completely different platform such as Android. That's what I'm likely to do now that the WP7S details/specs are fully known - and no, I was never really that bothered about a WP7S upgrade in the first place, however, with MS practically killing it off overnight I have no choice but to change.

While I love the WP7S UI there are way too many negatives about the platform, no multitasking is a big one for me but CK calmed me somewhat by saying it will multitask "to a degree". Now that specs are fully known it's a no go for apps that _need_ multitasking to be useful.

No removable storage? Ok. I could live with that I guess as I generally only change memorycards when a higher capacity one becomes available. I don't like being forced to change the entire handset because I'm out of space, but sure, I could live with it.

No USB Mass Storage mode? Also a fairly big deal for me. I often stick files onto my phone for easy transport elsewhere. Although, if MS upgrades their "My Phone" service to give us, say, 64GB of storage ... fair enough.

No Cut'n'Paste? What? Really? WTF guys. No friggin COPY AND PASTE? Geez. What the hell were they smoking while laying out the roadmap for WP7S? I want some so I too.

No side-loading? Ok, I can get around this as (a developer) but you really shouldn't have to.

Microsoft has, basically, created an iPhone clone with a different (and better) UI/UE. I've already had an iPhone, if I liked it I would have simply kept it.

I completely understand the need for a blank slate and could live with no backwards compatability as well as certain "missing" features, but they've removed ALL that was great about WinMo devices and replaced it with fluff that even the most die-hard Apple fan is complaining about on their iPhone.

No thanks. Now where did I see that donate button for getting Android onto my HD2?
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
I'll be jumping on the Android wagon next year unless WP7....

Ah screw that. I'm going to Android After HD2.
[HD2 General] bkar89:
WP7 looks ugly... and being as locked as it is, i think it will scare away the professional users...

Ms is trying to directly compete with the iphone... they are going to fail, badly...

the whole reason i choose HTC HD2, was because of my experience with sense on the Hero... no sense, no dice...

I hope this will push more hardware manufactors towards Android...
[HD2 General] mystik610:
Meh I'll be getting an HD2 on the 24th.

I didn't want to at first, but I need a phone with proper exchange support and data encyption, and the ability to sync my calendar, task list, and reminders from outlook. I'm using my iPhone to access my work e-mail right now, but the calendar isn't very accessible, and my task lists and reminders are non-existent. Android doesn't have proper data encryption...so that leaves palm and blackberry as my only other options. I have no interest in either.

For 200 bucks I don't mind picking up the HD2 knowing it'll be obsolete in a year. I've been with T-mobile since they were voicestream, so the thought of comitting to a 2 year contract is no big deal. A year from now, I wouldn't mind spending 500 on whatever comes after the HD2 (HD3?), knowing that it will run the latest software, and that I'll get a couple of years out of it. I spent 500 on my iPhone almost 3 years ago, which I plan to use as my personal device along-side my HD2 for work, and it was a worthwhile purchase.

The price is right for me at 200 bucks. Any more than that, and yeah I'd be upset too.
[HD2 General] zSpinner:
No chance

wp7s on my HD2? Off course not, you don't curse in church either do you?

Its looks ugly.

Doesn't support any apps we use now.

Doesn't support sd cards.

Doesn't do multi-task.

Its looks ugly.

Doesn't do copy / paste.

Doesn't fully support multi-task (won't be ready at release)

Doesn't do 3D correctly (won't be ready at release)

It's looks ugly.

It's the first step towards mobile cloud computing (my sh1t is mine, it should be on my stuff, not in big brother*s wallet). *(corporate edition)

It's a sorry attempt at fixing what they did wrong the past years by making it like something Apple has. (sound familiar?)

Only apps from their store allowed, dictating what you do with your device and how you do it.

Software can be removed from your device at will.

Doesn't allow customizing.

It's looks ugly.

Tell me, why is wp7s a good thing? It makes me f***** puke. Wouldn't be wourthy of my piss if it was on fire.
[HD Mini General] tor04:
For all interested. Here is the latest test rom for HDmini wwe. I am downloading now. Will post contents when finished. Here is the link.

RUU_Photon_HTC_WWE_EastEurope_1.06.479.1_Radio_Signed_20100305_Ship.rar
[HD Mini General] chalid:
Thank you!
[HD Mini General] xmoo:
Mirror: http://down.playpda.net/liang/Bepe/...ope_1.06.479.1_Radio_Signed_20100305_Ship.exe
[HD Mini General] Emrulez:
Guess no other langs are leaked?
[HD Mini General] caxio:
new rom more

http://www.conflipper.com/shipped/Mega/RUU_Mega_TMO_UK_1.33.110.2_Radio_Signed_MEGA_61.54t.25.35_3.53.25.20_Ship.exe
[HD Mini General] caxio:
sorry double post
[HD Mini General] Emrulez:
This is from the HTC MEga and again WWE!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blueguy19:
I'm using T-Mobile HTC Touch Pro 2 on AT&T network and cant receive calls when I'm on data network (read browsing, facebook app, slacker radio app).

I'm on AT&T EDGE. Is there anything that can be done to avoid this? Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
The problem is that when you're using your T-mobile phone on the AT&T network, your data connection is through EDGE, not 3G...and one of the drawbacks to EDGE is that you can't have an active data connection at the same time as an active phone call.

It's a hardware restriction, caused by the different 3G bands AT&T and T-mobile use. Your only real solution would be to get an AT&T-branded phone so you can use their 3G bands, or start using t-mobile's network with your TP2 so you can use their 3G.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
Agreed that you can't do both at the same time, but it sounds like the phone should still automatically suspend the data session to take the phone call. Sounds like an application is forcing the data connection to stay active, what programs do you have installed?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MCbrian:
I think it would be nice if it worked that way....but that's not how it's been for me. Maybe there's a registry setting that makes it one way or the other, but on the custom roms I've used it doesn't work the "nice" way. Calls go to voice mail if I'm actively accessing/transferring data (on an EDGE connection).

Are you saying that your TP2 actually does suspend the data session -- from personal experience? Or just that it should be that way?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
I can't say for sure on my TP2 as I've generally got 3G coverage everywhere I go. When I was using my 8525 I specifically remember being impressed the first time I was in the middle of a download and it recovered after taking a phone call, was definitely a custom ROM too. Probably was WinMo 6.0 at that time though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Sik96teG:
When you are using data and recieve a call it should stop data and allow the call to go thru when you are using EDGE. Since you are using a none AT&T device they probably wont fix the issue unless you reproduce the issue with an AT&T device. Also i tested this on my TMO TP2 by loading a website and making a call to my TP2 at the same time and it stopped my data as the call came thru then when i ignored the call it continued to load the website.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MCbrian:
It may depend on other factors then -- like maybe what rom you're running. After I posted above I tested this again -- to confirm what I posted, by starting the download of a very large file. I then called my phone from a landline and sure-enough the call went to VM after a few rings. So, maybe just a characteristic of my ROM, but it's definitely true for me on T-Mo USA (on EDGE). When I stopped the download my phone received calls just fine, so it's not a general receiving-calls issue.

Tomorrow when I'm at work -- and have a full-strength 3G connection -- I'll try it again to confirm that it does receive during 3G data. I've done that test before -- I've received calls with my laptop tethered to the TP2 on 3G and kept the data connection and received the call, but I haven't tried with the rom I'm currently running.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
I experienced the same thing with my EDGE-only Wizard (8125) on AT&T...incoming calls would be routed straight to voicemail if I had an active data connection going. And, whenever I would try to make an outgoing call, I would get an error message telling me that I couldn't make the call until I closed the data connection.

We all agree that EDGE can't multi-task like that, so to speak...but I think the issue of prioritizing or not prioritizing voice over data is handled at the device level, and/or by carrier control, rather than as a function of what the network can/can't do. My guess at this point is that there might be a reg setting that controls giving calls default priority at all times, but I have no idea what/where it is :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MCbrian:
Yeah, that's what I was thinking....well, guessing really -- I don't know. But I know what my experiment showed. A registry setting could explain why it would work for some and not others. Or could a different radio-rom possibly make a difference?

I have no idea. :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Now that you mention it, my money is on the radio (don't know why I didn't think of that).

blueguy, what radio are you using? And for that matter, what ROM? ATT, Tmo, or...? I'll test it on mine just like MCbrian did, since I have a different radio (.14), once I recall how to force my toy into EDGE-only mode. so, tomorrow morning ;)

EDIT: sik96teg, same question to you...what radio/ROM are you using?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Sik96teG:
right now im on 4.49.25.57(i believe this is the stock tmo 6.5) radio and i have tried a few other radios over the last few monthes(never really tested them but dont recall this issue). i use to be on an energy rom and now im on leo cell evo rom. Also when i did have this issue a long time ago i called tmobile and they stated at the time it was a known issue and it was suppose to be resolved in a few days and a few days later it started to work. I also made about 10 calls and only one of them didnt come thru to the phone. My home phone rang for about 30 secs then went to vm but no indicator on the device but that only occured 1 out of 10 tries.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MCbrian:
Just confirming what I thought: On a 3G data connection, data-transfer continues and the voice call is received simultaneously, as it should.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blueguy19:
Thanks for your inputs and my answers

I'm using Tmobile ROM which upgraded me from WinMo 6.1 to WinMo 6.5. I'm not sure what was the radio on it. But I flashed it with Hard-SPL and then with 4.49.25.88 Radio.

Even then the issue still persists :mad:

I read somewhere it happens due to NOM1 and NOM2 kind of EDGE network. NOM1 has capabilities to suspend data connection and give preference to phone call, NOM2 doesnt support this behavior. It seems AT&T is using NOM2 in my area. I'm not sure though if this is causing the issue that I'm experiencing.

I called AT&T Technical Support and they said they see my phone as Unkown device and can' support it.

Please this is really annoying, any help is appreciated.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] stormrain:
Same here, I am currently with the new official (ok better leaked) ROM and the Radio that was provided (the latest).

The point is that when I am on 3G i can receive both data and calls which is obvious. Now after reading this thread I noticed that when I am on standard GSM and someone calls me, they get notified that my phone is switched off.

What is weird is the fact that there should have been an option to state Call over Data or the opposite for that matter. I think my old Nokia N95 had a similar option.

So, yeah, is that a bug or a feature?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tjinjer:
i'm just guessing...but, I believe the simultaneous data/call is a function of 3G .....EDGE is the bare-bones basic thing....

at least that's how they make it sound in the commercials

....i should have read the replies in the thread...:o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blueguy19:
I flashed Energy ROM with .88 radio, it did improve download speed. But still don't receive calls while using data.

Is there any other ROM which allows this?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ronh:
The Rhodium isn't capable of simultaneous data and voice.

You should have a GPRS Class A phone, but that should have 2 antennas. (See link)

So only one of them is active, data OR voice.

But normally it should pause the data connections and give priority to the voice connection.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] stevedebi:
I believe it IS capable, if you are on 3G data. Not if you are EDGE / GPRS.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MCbrian:
Yes -- it absolutely is, as stevedebi states, on 3G. So the limitation on EDGE isn't the phone, really, it's the nature of EDGE/GPRS.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Cellular Expert:
Technology facts

True and false.

The 2G standard has supported simultaneous speech call and GPRS/EGPRS (EDGE) data transfer (with single radio & antenna) for quite many years now. The feature is officially called DTM (Dual Transfer Mode) - back in the day in the standardization the work started on the working name "simple class A".

There are several devices on the market (Most if not all Nokia 2G/3G models since 2007 or so, and some Blackberry models aswell, maybe others too) that support DTM.

Unfortunately, though, most networks do not support DTM (or do support but the operator has not activated the feature - for one reason or another).

Recent developments seem to indicate DTM might have more support in the networks in the future. For example, Vodafone UK has recently activated DTM - I believe throughout their network - in the UK.

Finally, the ancient link posted earlier in this thread claims that in DTM (or simple class A) a single timeslot is shared between half-rate speech and GPRS/EGPRS (EDGE) on the other half is not entirely true. In fact, this (DTM single-slot operation) is likely not supported anywhere in the devices nor networks. Instead, a complete timeslot is reserved for voice (be it full-rate or half-rate, in the case of latter, the remaining half timeslot can be used for another mobile) and the GPRS/EGPRS(EDGE) uses its own timeslots (one or more, depending on available resources and the mobile capability). This enables data rates that are reasonable, although smaller than for GPRS/EGPRS(EDGE) standalone traffic.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] anpit75:
Receive speech calls

Hi,

I'm currently searching for information regarding the mobile behaviour related to browsing and speech call.

From the previous information seems that there are information regarding the simultaneus data and speech.

I'm talking now about the possibility for a mobile in B class operation under NMO2.

Is it still possible for the mobile in active packet session to receive circuit calls?

I knew that they can't be simultaneus, but would like to know if the mobile is "ringing" or not.

Thank you

KR,

Andy
[HD2 General] adissu:
Hello,

I got my HD2 one week ago :D and it is really fantastic. But today I was listening to some music. Then I wanted to take a picture with the camera. When I started the camera, the music stopped immediately.

There are any tweaks or ideas like to fix that problem? I mean, this makes no sense, to stop playing music if I want to take a picture.

Thanks for help.

Wolfgang
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
this is to reduce battery consumption and to never interface shutter sound with music
[HD2 General] adissu:
Is it possible to customize that?
[HD2 General] Guus_:
*Bump*

I don't want to reduce battery, I want to listen music and take a photo.

I have the shutter sound disabled.

Is there any news about this problem yet? I couldn't find a registry tweak myself.

Any input is welcome! :D
[HD2 General] ASCIIker:
another possible reason why the music shuts off is in case you switch to camcorder mode. the camcorder will record video (with sound) and so that might be another reason to disable music playback so the sound in your video is recorded loud and clear.

don't know if a tweak exists to control this behavior though...
[HD2 General] Guus_:
Yes I understand that, but I can do that manually if I want to use the camcorder...

But I use the photo mode a lot more.

I can't find the tweak myself, on the forum search and also not in "Reload this Page [REF] *Leo Hints, Tips and Registry Tweaks* - Updated 13th July 2010."... :mad:

So any input is still welcome! :D
[G1 Android Development] lightninbug:
Is it possible?
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
1.Wrong section. Belongs in Q&A. With so many posts I'd think you'd know this.

2.Just buy a damn bluetooth headset on the web -_- there should be apps for it. Use google.
[G1 Android Development] Jigga0o7:
...

Anyways.

It is possible, look up Stereo Bluetooth Headsets. They support A2DP, look into that.

Make sure to check the rules of XDA's separate forums etc.
[G1 Android Development] lightninbug:
must it be stereo? i have a ps3 bluetooth headset...i asked in here b/c i didnt know if it depended on the rom..srry..just looking for a quick solution
[G1 Android Development] random_username_:
not sure if it has to be stereo but im sure it has to be ad2p compatible
[G1 Android Development] Jigga0o7:
It seems the blue tooth device must at least support A2DP.