yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
All Sense on Android is, is a few apps.

The main one being the Launcher which you can disable as seen in that video.

There's then the Messaging and Dialler apps which you can replace with stock apps (without being rooted).

That's about it apart from the fact you'd be left with a Black notification tray instead of a White one and a far superior lock screen.
[Desire General] irkan:
IMO, i dont think someone would disable the Sense (maybe just to see how the plain Nexus One looks like :) ).

and we have 576 MB RAM; I dont think we should worry about "apps that run in the background" :)
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Jup I found out that even if you disable Sense, tbere will still be some 'behind the scenes' Sense stuff going on. Like for example, Stock 2.1 only supports 5 homescreens instead of 7.

So if you REALLY want the fast Stock 2.1 experience, disable Sense is not enough. You will have to put a real stock 2.1 ROM on it, or how it is called.

Anyway, most people probably wont have any problems with this.
[Desire General] gogol:
Speaking of stock 2.1 rom being faster than the one with Sense UI.

How much faster is it? Is it very noticeable?
[Desire General] Shane2:
Keeping the HTC framework will be to the owner's advantage, some of the HTC apps that don't run on a stock Android rom will then work properly.
[Desire General] mikawa:
a stupid question....can i put manila on the desire?? and then....it's android similar to windows mobile?? there's a cab for everything? :D

exscuse me for stupid questions but i have a topaz and i'm thinking about take a desire!
[Desire General] ohyeahar:
The contents of each tab in Manila are available as widgets in Android and they're far more customizable. There's really no reason to have Manila on Android.
[Desire General] magicdroid:
nm... it was shown in the video @ the OP.
[Desire General] StuMcBill:
When / If it gets rooted and vanilla 2.1 gets ported to it, I am going to always have a Nandroid backup of a version with SenseUI and a Nandroid backup of Vanilla 2.1 Android so I can swap between them as and when I want.
[Desire General] XDA mark:
From what I have seen, the difference is almost not even noticeable. But then again all the Desire video's I have seen are after it has just been turned on. Maybe the Sense UI will cause some lag after a while of using.

Anyway, Stock 2.1 HAS to be faster, that is a fact. 2 homescreens less, no Sense stuff running in the background, etc.

If I would turn off Sense UI, I would not do it for the speed improvement btw. I like the look of 2.1, with that 5 homescreens and the way to switch between them.
[Desire General] vegetaleb:
Dude it's a ''snap the dragon'' 1ghz cpu inside! You will not need extra speed :p
[Desire General] StuMcBill:
And the Desire has extra RAM to accommodate SenseUI.
[Desire General] dudeldei:
Well, when I finally got my long awaited HTC TyTn, I asked on a forum if anyone knew if there were any possibility to overclock the CPU....

The only answer I got back then was : "..There's no need to overclock the TyTn, the CPU is a 400 mhz!!"

But now, I'm sitting here, stuck with my sloooow TyTn (after selling my Hero to earn money for a new Desire)

So...I guess we can always need some more power, just wait some months and the apps and games are demanding more than enough for the Snapdragon CPU....and you need to swallow a camel or two ;)
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Yeah, sure it's a 1Ghz processor. But my HD2 has it and it still lags.

So I will take all the extra speed I can get for perfect performance :)
[Desire General] sh500:
You can argue that on the HD2 it's down to the OS/custom ROMs that it still 'lags'. My brother has the a stock T-mobile ROM on his device and I fail to see any lag.
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
The better lock screen you're talking about, is that after disabling Sense? Which lock screen would that be, and what lock screen does the alternative have? And I always thought there were several lock screens to choose from - I've seen one where you make a pattern, one where you just flick the lock screen down, one where you "turn a wheel", and possibly some others, can't remember.

That's a lot of "lock screen" for one post o.O
[Desire General] bcmobile:
Exchange Sync

The main benefit I see in the Desire vs Nexus is the fact that the Desire can sync all Exchange objects (Mail, Calendar and Contacts at least) which is what has held me back from previous Android phones.

I assume this function is part of Sense. Can anyone confirm this?
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
There are 2 Lock Screens:

Stock Android:

http://www.theunwired.net/media/news/motorola_milestone_android_2.0.1_lock-screen.jpg

Pros :

Can mute phone from lockscreen.

Sense UI:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q-JSg53A3...AFD4/6TWLdeIi3VY/s400/rosie7-lock-screen2.jpg

Pros:

1. Can set wallpaper of lockscreen independently from wallpaper of homescreen.

2. Message alerts in lockscreen (like screenshot) as opposed to just in tray

3. Music controls on lockscreen, like iphone.
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
Hmm, tough choice. Would probably go for the Sense one, though, since I get a lot of texts, and since I usually only mute once or twice a day. What about the pattern lock screen I've seen?
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
They're avaliable on all versions of android. The pattern thing is more like a pin screen, not an unlock screen, if that makes any sense.
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
Splitting your quote into two parts for further questioning it more easily :P

1. So I could easily change between the two locks screens? Without having to disable the whole Sense UI?

2. Do you mean that I could use the pattern instead of entering a PIN code when I turn on my phone?

Also, something I forgot to ask in my previous post: How do I mute the phone without the lock screen mute option? There's a stock widget for it, I believe? Is there also a way to do it with the hardware buttons (not really that important if there's a widget for it that I don't need to download, but I'm curious for options)?
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
You know how on other phones you have a Lockscreen. But you also (most of the time) have the option of locking your phone with a pin? Entering the pin then goes to the main phone function as opposed to showing you you're lockscreen for you to then unlock.

The pattern thing is android's equivalent to a pin unlock. It's avaliable in all versions of android and most of the time will hide your lockscreen (unless you press back when at the pattern input section).

As for muting you use the volume controls at the side, there is also most likely a widget.
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
Okay, so I guess it's just a secure lock screen that replaces the option of locking your phone with a PIN?

For muting with the volume rocker, you just turn down the volume until it's completely off then? Wouldn't that be "risky", though? By that I mean, wouldn't the sound easily be turned back on in the pocket?
[Desire General] unCoRrUpTeD:
I'm not sure if it is sense, but I have a Sprint Hero and with the 2.1 Roms I am able to use exchange sync..

Now that I think about it, I think all Android 2.1's can do this.
[Desire General] The Professor:
Yep, Exchange support got added in 2.0 to all Android flavors.

Problem I'm seeing: I cannot disable Sense. If I unlock the default and hit home, the standard Android launcher just does not show up. I have SlideScreen installed as well - if you hit home, you see Sense and SlideScreen as options and nothing else. It looks like they stripped the standard launcher out entirely.

I was hoping to get back to the standard so I could see if the unified inbox existed there, because it certainly doesn't in Sense, but now I'm foiled on two different fronts, heh.

Any ideas from the XDA folks? I might have to venture into rooting this thing faster than I anticipated.
[Desire General] MartiCode:
That is also my experience : the only home available seems to be Sense, they removed the default one. :mad:
[Desire General] slaming:
this has been discussed many times and the method shown on this video doesn't work the rpm they ship it with doesn't have the normal l home screen so when you close the process sense just starts again. to get it you have to download a different home thingy maboben
[Desire General] ephumuris:
Install the Launcher2.apk and force close Sense. I'm using the standard home screen now. It's ok.
[Desire General] Quazar0:
Or download helixlauncher 2 on the market.
[Desire General] ephumuris:
I got freezes with Helix. So removed it. Had no problems with the launcher2.apk.
[Desire General] pina_:
I have been looking for Home++ but didn't find anything.

Then tried Launcher2 but there are too many results, I don't know which one to take. I would like to test the stock Android 2.1 without Sense.
[Desire General] IronArcher6:
I have a Desire for a few weeks now, with sense, and never had any lag.

I don't even use a Taskmanager, since Android takes care of its tasks on its own.

No lag, no loss of speed.

I had Windows Mobile on a TD2, believe me I know the frustration of lag ...
[Desire General] testies99:
Your should take a look at Launcher Pro, it's by far the best replacement for Sense I've tried.

At the bottom of the screen where Sense puts Phone, Apps and Add widget, Launcher Pro puts Phone, Contacts, Apps, Messages and Internet.
[Desire General] redsuns:
how do you set the wallpaper of lockscreen independently from wallpaper of homescreen?? any help?
[Desire General] mancuk29:
Where can you download launcher2 .apk ?
[Desire General] ostheer:
you could install a nosense ROM
[Desire General] beetnubbin:
+1 for installing a none sense rom. AOSP, or if you like your sense contacts, dialler etc then many "de sensed" sense roms are available, they just have rosie apk and sense widgets removed from the off.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilvioA:
I flashed my xperia with new energy rom but my GPS doesn't work.

I tried with automatic setting and COM4, 4800 but GMap dead.

HTC GPSTool and ChartCross gps test can't find any satelite.

AGPS disable.

I' on T-mobile croatia

:(
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] branitelj91:
Pozdrav!!

Silvio, i ja imam isti problem, jedan način da riješiš to ti je program koji se zove "GpsGate" od tvrtke Franson, ili nekakav drugi "intermediate" driver koji se nalazi kao opcija izbora u software-u za GPS orijentaciju.

Trenutno vodim rat sa Garminom, i ne radi sve savršeno, ali osnovno, (dakle preuzimanje podataka sa GPS prijemnika i sve što bi mogli biti vezano s tim), radi, dok kvaliteta signala se ne pokazuje u čemu se pokazuje taj nedosatak.

Puno uspjeha ;-)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SilvioA:
hvala na savjetu. Instalirao sam GpsGate v2.6 no i prepozna on integrirani GPS na com4 no i dalje ne nalazi satelite. Čini se kao da je hardverski problem.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
I've researched the different possible settings that one can make in the build.prop to enable the proper data throughput of the Nexus One. After playing around with the different setting combinations, the one that I am posting provides the highest consistent data throughput. I don't really take any credit for this, as this build.prop is an amalgamation of other people's work that I have read upon online. You should mainly see the difference if you are on a HSUPA and EDGE network, as the HSDPA default settings were already somewhat maxed out. Any further suggestions would be appreciated.

Version 1.1.0

- cleaned up some stuff

- removed 3G prefix

- any further increase in the radio download speed turned out to be detrimental

Cyanogen Mod: http://www.4shared.com/file/244163071/e4f98dc5/build.html (not required as of 5.0.5 test 3)

Enomther's Mod: http://www.4shared.com/file/244163089/6dba1938/enom110buildprop.html

Modaco's Desire Mod: http://www.4shared.com/file/244163086/fd0504a9/moda110buildprop.html

Modaco's Custom Mod: http://www.4shared.com/file/244576289/ff1156c2/mocu110buildprop.html

Installation Instructions

1. Turn on debugging

2. In your PC shell (Terminal/DOS prompt) enter: adb remount

3. Enter: adb push build.prop /system/

4. Enter: adb shell reboot

To uninstall, simply extract the build.prop from the ROM that you are using and follow the above instructions.

The most objective way to test your speed is to use the Speedtest.net application:

...or speedtest.net itself.

You can also improve your Browser's speed by installing AdFree:
[Nexus One Android Development] gn00my:
thanks , will try this
[Nexus One Android Development] Stea1thmode:
goodman, please feedback with your results if you can:)
[Nexus One Android Development] clustered:
awesome, will try this too!
[Nexus One Android Development] DaveKid:
trying now for Cyanogen mod
[Nexus One Android Development] saquib:
Apples to Modaco Desire ROM (alpha 15). Was getting 1900/500 speeds on speedtest before the application, similar results afterwards.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Your network is most likely HSDPA, the speed improvements will mainly be seen with HSUPA and EDGE networks....
[Nexus One Android Development] UnderCoverLover:
Well I pushed the file just a second ago. The first thing I noticed so far is that when I pull down my notification bar it says "3G t-Mobile" instead of "T-Mobile". I'm going to get back later and let you guys know how my phones doing:D
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
That can be easily turned off, I'll turn it off in the next version... If you want to do it yourself, just delete this line from the build.prop and push it again:
[Nexus One Android Development] Stea1thmode:
Hey Undercover, with your reported lightning speeds, why would you consider something loke this?

LOL:D
[Nexus One Android Development] seanowns:
Pushed and testing now. Will give this a good "real world" test. I get crap reception in my building, and generally streaming music works awhile then tends to die. Will see how it goes today.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
These settings will not help with reception...
[Nexus One Android Development] MvP77:
my speeds are the same, 900kbs-1mbs
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Yes, once again you must be on an HSDPA network. If you try the EDGE speeds, you will see the difference. Likewise with anyone who is on a HSUPA network.
[Nexus One Android Development] bewA:
Just installed,

i'll let you know how i get on :)
[Nexus One Android Development] seanowns:
Probably worded that poorly. I bounce between edge/3G in my area alot, so I think this may actually help. If this can keep the edge data speeds up a tad it wont hurt thats for sure.

So far so good eitherway
[Nexus One Android Development] krohnjw:
No real change for me (Good 3G and Edge signal in my office). Below are the results.

Before changes (Down/Up)

Edge:
91/139
102/89
78/108

3G:
497/357
641/355
660/363

After changes (Down/Up)

Edge:
49/201
119/85
106/96

3G:
508/428
532/391
526/381
[Nexus One Android Development] faizalmzain:
this thing won't work for my telco since the subscribers' data speed are capped to around 1mbps only...

even though their network is capable to support 14.4mbps
[Nexus One Android Development] MartinodF:
Rom: Cyano 5.0.4.1

Network: 3 Italy (supposedly both HSDPA/HSUPA)

Average of 3 tests:

Before: 1455kbit/s down, 355kbit/s up

After: 1496kbit/s down, 352kbit/s up

No differences in top speed, but while running the test with Xtremelabs Speedtest, the phone seems to reach higher speeds quicker than before.

What I mean is: after I push the start speedtest button, reported speed is initially very low (100kbit/s) and then climbs steadily until it reaches 14xxkbit/s. Before changing build.prop, it took about 20 seconds to reach max speed. Now it only takes a few seconds (4-5).

Not sure if it's related to build.prop changes, but it seems these settings doesn't hurt so I'll keep it this way ;)
[Nexus One Android Development] JonInAtl:
I'm seeing a reproducible difference on Edge outside of Atlanta.

Before:

125/93

75/89

120/95

After:

179/114

179/109

173/62

Tested at various times but at the same poor signal location in my office
[Nexus One Android Development] Gimpeh:
Hmmm, I may have to give this a run since Tmobile is hesitant to roll out 3G here.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Glad to see that it helped you out. The biggest difference is noticed when you are using an EDGE connection.
[Nexus One Android Development] simms22:
alright, tried it. first off, i did notice the phone identify the network as 3g tmobile. now the speed difference.... my ping was faster, oddly because my data speeds were much slower. im on a hspa network. normally i get around 2-3mb were im at. i got 2 mb before pushing the file, ping at 95. after pushing the file my data speed topped off at about 1.1mb but with a faster ping, 83. after i replaced the file back to the original, i was back at 2mb. using cm 5.0.5 test2.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
I would do one more test, that sounds a bit odd.
[Nexus One Android Development] simms22:
i thought it was odd that the ping increased. its always been between 90-95. im going to try it again this evening from my home location instead of at work, see if it will make a difference.
[Nexus One Android Development] masse1369:
Double post
[Nexus One Android Development] masse1369:
In my house I have never gotten over 500kps. First 3 tests with this mod I'm over 900! Thank you so much or this! :D

Running enomther 1.7.1 at the moment...
[Nexus One Android Development] Epedemic:
Ooh i hope this will get ported to the Desire (which im getting as soon as i can).. My provider supports HSPA+ 21mbps downlink, 5.76mbps uplink :D And now on my Magic on stock sense rom im getting 4832/1091... And thats a 7.2/2.0 device.... But the Snapdragon chips should, in theory, be capable of 14.4/5.76 :)
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
I will release a new version tonight, with all the speeds maxed out. And sure, I will release a Desire update.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
I am glad to see another positive review, I was starting to think that it was a placebo...
[Nexus One Android Development] SpaceBoy2000:
Alright, I went to mobilespeedtest.com.

Before:

Mean speed (20 data points): 28.811 kps

Median speed (20 data points): 28.483 kps

After:

Mean speed (25 data points): 25.255 kps

Median speed (25 data points): 24.243 kps

Looks like it made it worse. I guess I should go and write a quick app to properly record data and all.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Try downloading an app from the market called Speed Test, it should be quite reliable as it chooses the nearest server to you. Let me know how that test goes.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Please use this app to test speeds:
[Nexus One Android Development] Gimpeh:
I used SUFBS to mount the system as R/W and then copy and pasted the build prop in /system and I am still getting the typical crummy EDGE speeds of sub 56k to barely on 56. The highest I got was 60kbps. Is there something I am doing wrong?
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Did you reboot?
[Nexus One Android Development] Gimpeh:
Yup. I tried it twice. Second time instead of just pasting over the build prop, I deleted it first and then pasted.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
It seems that speed improvements are carrier dependent.
[Nexus One Android Development] Gimpeh:
This is Tmobile BTW.
[Nexus One Android Development] JonInAtl:
Ok

I don't know if it's entirely due to the build.prop or if TMobile has something else going on, but I've never had EDGE speeds like this before.

Typically I'll get between 60-75 on download, I've never gotten anywhere near this before.
[Nexus One Android Development] nexusdrummer:
Before 3G:

172 Kbps d/l

307 Kbps u/l

After 3G:

168 Kbps d/l

750 Kbps u/l

Before Edge:

42 Kbps d/l

23 Kbps u/l

After Edge:

155 Kbps d/l

80 Kbps u/l
[Nexus One Android Development] evidenc3:
I notice your doing ERE36B:

ro.build.id=ERE36B

ro.build.display.id=ERE36B

When this version was first leaked it was causing some apps in the Market to not show up since it wasn't an official release, people were rolling back to ERE27 in the build.prop.

I'm probably way off and it's since been fixed?

Also just wanted to note what I see was changed over stock:

Changed:

dalvik.vm.heapsize= 24m -> 32m

ro.ril.gprsclass= 10 -> 12

Added:

ro.ril.hep=1

ro.ril.hsxpa=2

ro.ril.enable.dtm=1

ro.ril.hsdpa.category=10

ro.ril.enable.a53=1

ro.ril.enable.3g.prefix=1

ro.ril.htcmaskw1.bitmask = 4294967295

ro.ril.htcmaskw1 = 14449

ro.ril.hsupa.category = 7
[Nexus One Android Development] Epedemic:
Sweet. Thank you :)
[Nexus One Android Development] getburnt:
hi there, is this mod necessary for MoDaCo Custom ROM 1.x - 2.0 (not Desire Mod), thanks!
[Nexus One Android Development] rjhay22:
No harm in trying :) So I'll give this a go. Thank you for this.

Edit: So I see that the Enomther file is a zip file... So just wondering if I can just flash it through recovery or extract and push is the only way to do it?

Edit2: AdFree from market actually slowed down browser speed. :(
[Nexus One Android Development] UnderCoverLover:
:D Well there's always room for improvement right? I would say there is an overall speed improvement for me while i'm at work. download used to max out at around 1.2mbp/s, now the max is like 1.5-1.8. I would suggest that everyone try it out if they can.

I think the "3G T-Mobile" looks cool
[Nexus One Android Development] FormelLMS:
Sounds cool.

Is it possible to get a version for MoDaco 2.0?
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
No, the zip file is not an update zip. It's faster to unzip it and push it.
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
Yes, of course. Will do that tomorrow.
[Nexus One Android Development] FormelLMS:
Great! Thanks!
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
I didn't touch the heap size, but everything else was added in.
[Nexus One Android Development] b0unceee:
hmm..

Before:

1904/830

After:

989/1753

Any reason why my upstream would double and my downstream would halve?
[Nexus One Android Development] Lass3:
Wow, i can finally use spotify without lag on 3 bars of edge!

*imponert*
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
What did you use to test your speed?
[Nexus One Android Development] b0unceee:
Speedtest.net app.. It could just be network congestion (vodafone AU is a POS). I'm 19 stories up at work, so we can take that out of the equation as my reception is always pretty decent up here.

*edit*

I'm going to push the normal build.prop and see if it makes a difference.

*edit*

Wow so I pushed the regular cyanogen 5.0.4.1 build.prop and i got 2009/1662

wtf is going on?..
[Nexus One Android Development] staulkor:
I dont see any download links on the first post :(
[Nexus One Android Development] rori~:
:)..I downloaded some minutes ago and had problems to download it..probably hotweiss is updating the files....
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
OK, the links are up.
[Nexus One Android Development] jblazea50:
yeah, i just pushed the build.prop from 5.0.5 and my speed has increased greatly
[Nexus One Android Development] hotweiss:
The build.prop hasn't really changed in 5.0.5?
[Nexus One Android Development] jblazea50:
i am not sure if it changed or not; i am using BakedGoods v1.1 and just testing some of the build.prop files from different roms

EDIT: Holy Crap, the latest version (1.1) of your build.prop is blazing fast using my wifi; great job
[Nexus One Android Development] whoa718:
Got This by turning the phone upside down, headset jack facing ground
[Nexus One Android Development] Th3heretic:
How would I install this from terminal app, seems like no matter what I try it won't write to it...
[Nexus One Android Development] b0unceee:
what platform are you using? can you see your device using 'adb devices'
[Nexus One Android Development] xghostyxjokerx:
can someone make this so i can can use it on recovery as a zip file to flash with???? i dont know really how to push anything to my phone....do i need the sdk and stuff??
[Nexus One Android Development] b0unceee:
LOL I held my phone upside down as well and I got 3898/1666 (compared to 1934/1689 normal way around or flat on table)