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[Windows Mobile Themes] KarlChick:
Thanks RR33! I've updated the first post accordingly.

I like the idea of the second shift symbol, might put that into the QVGA version.

I now realise that I didn't give you a .?123 graphic or the feedback graphic in VGA... Anyone desperately need those? or is the RR33 conversion OK? (I can't check with the Tytn2 what it looks like).

I might also get rid of the .? and just have 123 for the symbol key...
[Windows Mobile Themes] PollPixx:
huh...very strange, nothing happens if I tap the arrow beside the default keyboard, so I can't change it.

I know it is sounds like a noob question, but the last time I checked, it was possible to change keyboards this way...

Cheers,

Arnold
[Windows Mobile Themes] RR33:
Well I've just rewrote .?123 with the same font and it looks good to me. You can downsize the 2 shift png for QVGA if you want (there is also a line to add into settings file in order to activate 2nd shift)

You can take a look at my PocketCM Keyboard Install Guide (click on my signature)
[Windows Mobile Themes] PollPixx:
I know how to do it, but for some reason, nothing happens when I am tapping on the arrows next to the keyboard icon in the bottom of my screen. Very strange, as I used it often. Even after soft reset it is not working.

Cheers,

Arnold
[Windows Mobile Themes] RR33:
ok, so try to activate PCMK14 with Ervius Sip Selector (keyboard selector) available HERE then reboot/soft reset your ppc
[Windows Mobile Themes] PollPixx:
thanks so much for your help, that did the trick (what a great little program by the way). It looks great, I made a very dark phone style with sktools and was searching for this kind of skin, so....thanks a lot ;-)

Cheers,

Arnold
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Bing.

That is the answer. Bing.

Download the Bing app and install it on your WM6 phone.

I like what I see. Keep it up M$ - WP7 team - You rock!.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
MS has already announced number and email and web address detection in WP7. And it already exists in WM6.x

So what's your point? Bing is not new, nor is that feature.

The feature I would like to see most from Bing is Voice control for the entire WP7 OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
What I am saying is that it does "copy" and "paste", apart from picking up the address and Phone number for US(at least). It does not copy and paste at pixel level. That is all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
What in the world are you trying to say?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Great example of why you actually need copy/paste, thanks. What should I do if I want to email the address?
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Just click on the underlined email address and you'll go to the email app with the address already filled in.

What is copy & paste at the pixel level?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't see the underlined email address on the screenshots, sorry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] alphaandomega:
I've had enough frustrations with OneNote Mobile not having Copy/Paste. Now a modern phone not having it is just ridiculous. I use this function all the time-if not every day then every week for sure. Everyone, including Microsoft seems to have forgotten about note-taking. So they have One Note without Copy/Past and Word Mobile without it either? what?! Hello!
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
The screenshots are Bing for WM6.x not for WP7. Supposedly this functionality is more advanced in WP7. My guess is that the address would be detected by the OS and options would be available to you to act on that address. Don't know for sure, but that's how it was explained by MS.

I WM, if someone SMS'es a phone number to you, it is detected and you can perform actions on it such as calling the number. That is far more convenient than C&P that number then loading the phone dialer and pasting the number in there.

Only in Office-type apps do I see a need for copy and paste. I believe they said C&P is implmented within those apps.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It may be more advanced than WM6 but it'll never work well. There are just too many ways to write addresses - what if I send you an email in response to a question about where we should meet, and I'll reply - "coffee place on corner of main and franklin"? And the meeting is going to happen, say, a month from now? How are you going to save this address from my email? Will your smartlinking recognize it? No freakin' way. Don't delude yourself by repeating these mantras.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Well, that's a good one, but who's to say you can't attach an email to a calendar item or contact? Personally, I would like to be able to do something like that over C&P.

I'm not making excuses for no C&P, but there are more than one way of doing things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Look, it's not like I prefer C&P to "smart" stuff. Of course smart stuff is better. The problem is that it's impossible to do in a way that'll cover all scenarios. I can come up with examples forever (like, what if there's a typo in the URL, like users here sometimes post deliberately, because they aren't allowed to post links - what the heck are you going to do with that?). And sometimes that could be a real pain in the neck. Like I encountered once with a pre-3.0 iPhone - an email contained a link with directions, and there was no way to click it, and no C&P to the rescue. Sure I didn't die as a result, but I wasted 3 hours looking for the damned place in the middle of nowhere. For every example you can probably come up with a solution, but there will be another example that'll require another solution etc. That is the whole point of C&P - you can make those 80% core use cases easy with smart stuff, but then you add something trivial and easy like C&P and that'll take care of everything else! It's just not an "either... or" situation, and that's why Microsoft's excuses are just lame.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
I have to agree with you, but if MS were under a time constraint and had to choose between smart linking and C&P, I'm glad smart linking came first. C&P will show up in due time. In the meantime, you can go to the school supply section at Walmart and buy a copy and paste toolkit (pencil and paper) :D :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Walmart announced like 5 times that they're entering Russia, but never got the nerve to actually go ahead and do it. :)

Anyway, congrats on getting to the WP7's target audience. Guess you're not using Outlook Tasks either, huh? :)

Wish I could be there as well, because I love many aspects of this new OS, and I'm rather optimistic about the prospects of getting access to some serious native APIs in WinCE via jailbreaking, which hopefully will be done via lowering the privilege thresholds rather than having to do a privilege escalation hack (which will open the door to pirating apps and therefore will be chased by Microsoft's updates).
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Tasks really isn't useful enough for me. Too much data entry to achieve nothing. Maybe if it were tied in with the phone dialer, calendar, contacts, GPS awareness, etc, I would actually use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Thought so. :)

Tasks are reminders essentially, they're more of an alarm thing than a calendar thing, if you look at just phone use. They are a very different thing when you use them on a corporate Exchange server, where you can assing them to somebody, track progress, get reports etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
^^^ Yeah, I've never been able to put it to good use in my daily life.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Why not? Isn't that what progress is all about?

There was a time when professionals/geeks could not understand how an OS could work without command line instructions. But now we have it. None of the smartphones have command line instructions.

There are still folks (apparently of European descent) who cannot believe that an automatic transmission can work in 95% of scenarios as good as a manual. How wrong they are.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
It's not the 95% that's the problem. It's the other 5%.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Rule#1

Never develop a program based upon exceptions. That is poor decision making.

Program to take care of the 95% (the meat) of the requirements. And do it perfect.

Eg. Folks who buy a minivan based upon the 5% chance that they will need to haul 9 people for about 15 times a year. Crazy.

Same for people who buy a Truck so that they can haul a Christmas tree once a year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm European (well, maybe not in the sense in which you are using the word, but definitely not Asian or American), I drive an AT car with auto windshield wipers and auto headlights. The automatic transmission has a manual mode as well, which I use not frequently overall, but it really helps a) in winter - despite all the traction control and stability assist thingies, I just can hold it better on snowy/icy road manually, because all its smartness reacts while I anticipate; and b) when passing on ancient two-lane country roads with heavy traffic in both directions - AT can't anticipate what's coming, I can. The auto wipers/headlights are perfectly cool, yet, thank goodness, they also have manual switches. Because since I bought this car the law changed and I have to have my headlights on while driving on highways at all time. If they didn't make the switch I'd have to wait for a firmware update to be able to drive out of the city limits.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
It is good decision making to pick an option that works 100% of the time over one that works 95% of the time but fails disastrously for the other 5%.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
so you would buy a truck because a car will fail miserably in hauling a large Christmas tree. Good for you.

Agreed. But in the 12 years or so that I have been driving AT, the transmissions have improved amazingly, and they shift gears with a quick jab on the gas pedal or shift to 2/L. Of course they do not have the raw efficiency of the manual, but then it depends upon where and how you drive.

Which is why I speak of meeting requirements. I am sure that WP7 folks have been studying how and where copy+paste is used in 95% of cases and trying to automate those scenarios. Agreed there will be that one time when you will sorely miss that feature. 2 things will happen in that scenario. Either WP7 will incorporate that feature with more smartness or introduce the standard copy+paste back in to the feature set. Any ways, WP7 folks will never find out if their automation has been successful or not if they retain copy + paste. Hope you understand my viewpoint.

Thanks!
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
chiks19018,

in Europe, there are almost no automatic cars except for those with dual clutch transmission.

Here you can read what that is, in case you wonder: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_clutch_transmission

Those cars are actually more efficient that they would be, if they were controlled manually.

In most cases, but not in all!

However, they always offer the driver the possibility of choosing to manually control them, in cases where the driver thinks it works better (e.g. the cases vangrieg mentioned above).

Maybe you can already see what I'm trying to say.

Choice, power and possibilities on one side and efficieny and ease of use on the other are not mutually exclusive.

In fact, they complement each other to form a whole that is "greater than the sum of its parts", i.e. an experience that is better than any system that only offered either ease od use or possibilities could ever offer.

To think that ease of use/efficiency and choice/power/possibilities can not live together in one system is, excuse me, plain stupid. Of course, it means additional efforts for the maker of the system, to think of ways to make those things work together, but we're talking about the biggest software company in the world here, that actually makes one of the best examples for ease of use/efficiency and choice/power/possibilities living together in harmony: Windows.

Assuming that a PC isn't loaded with crapware, you can just turn it on and it just works and almost anyone can use it today. No "normal user" would ever mess around with the registry or any files in the Windows folder. But they're always there and can be accessed, in case a "power user" needs them. In no way does that make the experience of the "normal user" worse. The same way that access to the registry and file system and a c&p feature would in no way make the experience for Windows Phone users worse, cause they would never actually see them, unless they chose to work with those features in cases that they absolutely need them (just like the driver, who only switches gears manually in certain cases where it makes sense).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I really hope it will be the latter, not the former. All they need to do is introduce the standard and then think about all the automation in the world as hard as they wish. Just like the car manufacturers, you know. They take care of my ability to get from A to B first, and then think about making the trip pleasant and automated. What I see happening in WP7 is the opposite. And don't tell me devs don't have time. They just spend it to implement that dynamic SMS smilie.

Throughout my trips to Western Europe, I've seen lots and lots of cars with AT. Taxis, personal cars, lots of them. Some European countries are evidently biased towards smaller/cheaper cars due to local taxation quirks and increased overall population sheepishness, so there you'd see more 1.4 MT than is reasonable to expect in normal circumstances, but when it's possible people also like comfort, even in Europe.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
And in your opinion buying a truck instead of a car is a valid analogy for using copy and paste instead of "smart-linking" because...?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
While I would prefer to have copy+paste available from the get go, I see the difficulty in being able to grade the automatic feature-set as a failure or success in the presence of copy+paste. Time? the devs have a lot of time, esp for implementing standard feature. The copy+paste is being not offered with a purpose...that of putting the automatic feature set through it's paces.

No argument on that. If you use smaller cars, MT works better.

Similarly with a snapdragon or better, automatic feature set might work out better. We will see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
I like that idea of making it optional via power user regedit or some sort.

But then again, with wp7 there is no regedit available :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
because WP7 devs are introducing "intelligent" copy+paste...automated.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Other than buying a truck, having true copy&paste (in addition to the "intelligent" one) does not have any disadvantages.

Your analogy doesn't work. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
The disadvantage is for the Development team, not the user.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
...which doesn't change the fact, that your analogy doesn't work ;)

Also, there's no excuse for Microsoft. They had an OS that could do everything, including copy&paste, and screwed up. They threw away the work that has been done at the company over more than ten years, now they struggle to implement such simple features. All because they neglected their OS for so long that now even bringing the UI up to date is too much for them to do in time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
They really succeeded in making C&P implementation sound like a huge endeavor. :)

It's not. They have an OS that has the clipboard (WinCE). They have text selection implemented already in WP7. All they need to do is attach a menu to long taps. End of story. It doesn't take months or even weeks to do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
you have a right to your opinion. I certainly can't force my analogies on you. can I?

So it is better to buy a truck because it can carry the Christmas tree, as well as commute to work. Next time I go to buy a new vehicle, I will get myself this :D

u got that right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
OneNote Mobile on existing 6.x devices has copy and paste:
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
That needs lots of fuel... copy&paste does not hurt battery life.

It's also slow... copy&paste speeds up your workflow.

You see... your analogy doesn't work. A truck has lots of disadvantages for the user, copy&paste has none.

Copy&paste only takes time for the developers to build in. That's why it's not there, cause Microsoft screwed up. But that's not a good thing for the user.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Copy+paste is not fast...that is the drawback. Keep in mind that this is a mobile application, not a full blown editor. The more tasks you can automate based upon use case studies, the better.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
You're wrong. Of course copy and paste is fast. That's why people do it, instead of typing things in manually.

There's nothing wrong with having an additional method that is even faster, but not having copy and paste only has disadvantages.

Having a normal car instead of a truck certainly has advantages.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Stupid people keep falling back on this.

Stop eating up all the **** that Belfiore spews out, and actually exercise independent thought. I know that's difficult for people nowadays, but you're not doing yourself any favours by posting half-considered, propaganda-infused "opinions" and making yourself look like an idiot.

I'll admit, I thought the contextual highlighting was cool, but it won't always work.

I've done programming, I've written regular expressions, it is impossible to cover every situation.

Let's say I get a text from someone:

"call Jill at <phone number>"

Now, let's say Jill's number is 555-5555. Let's say she lives where I live -- Victoria, BC, Canada -- so her area code is 250 and her country code is 1.

Now, the number could've been written:

1-250-555-5555

12505555555

5555555

2505555555

250-555-5555

250.555.5555

...

The possibilities are almost endless. What happens when one of those slips past Microsoft's contextual highlighting? What happens if you actually don't want to "take action" based on that item, but you really want to send it on -- you really want to tell your friend Bill to call Jill, and ergo send him her number instead of calling the number yourself.

Contextual highlighting gives Microsoft full control of what you can conveniently do with data, whereas copy and paste and contextual highlighting preserves the convenience of contextual highlighting, while conveniently liberating you to conveniently do other things with your data.

How will contextual highlighting for addresses and phone numbers help me copy and paste the URL of a great webpage? That's something I -- and most people I know -- do constantly. How will contextual highlighting help me put a great quote I found on Facebook?

There are limitless possibilities. ALL of them covered by copy and paste, and a VERY SMALL SUBSET covered by contextual highlighting.

Wake up, think for yourself, AND STOP BEING STUPID/BLIND.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Actually, contextual highlighting is already there on WM6.5.

And no, it doesn't work right. Sometimes it does, most of the time it doesn't help you at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Is your name supposed to refer to the programming language or the musical note?

Or perhaps something else...
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
The programming language gave the idea...
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
u goofball, I have been saying this even before I heard of bellfiore. In fact I was called out as Steve Ballmer because what I had said months earlier (under another id) was exactly what bellfiore repeated when the phone was revealed.

u r the one who is stuck with old thoughts and processes. YOU canot believe how tasks can be done some other way other than how you have been used to doing all this while.

WAKE UP...Rasputin.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Mr low level programmer.....that is probably what you are good at. You are not paid to think. Just code based upon the requirements that are passed on to you. OK. Got that? Stop calling me stuff that does not behoove anybody.

Here is what will happen.

Once people figure out that if I type in the phone number as 1-250-555-5555and the phone understands that it is a phone number, people will type it out in that fashion. Right now nothing in the system provides anyone any incentive to type out the phone number in any specific format and hence they type in any format they like. Never underestimate the user world, and never underestimate the power of incentive.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Wow.

You really are stupid.

Do you really think my friends -- some have BBs, some have Android-powered devices -- are going to magically type phone numbers differently because I have a WP7S that has no copy/paste?

Instead they're going to laugh at me because I have a crippled phone, just like I laugh at iPhone users now.

Which is why I'm not moving to WP7S -- I wouldn't be caught dead using such an underpowered platform.

For the record, most of the coding work I do -- I'm not actually a programmer by trade, I'm into IT -- is in Windows PowerShell. If you want to call that "low level" and make yourself look like a fool...go ahead!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Why do you think formatting that number will matter? My WM phone deals with all formats here - contacts get to the list from all possible sources via Exchange.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
So I was just walking around my kitchen, opened up Facebook, and replied to something.

Seeing that I'd mis-typed something, and would have to delete and repost (being that Facebook doesn't support editing) I quickly copied the post, deleted it, pasted it, edited it, and reposted.

How would the Windows Phone 7 Series apologists...I'm sorry, "supporters"...like to respond to this?
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Same here... just had to log in to several accounts with different applications on an Android phone.

You know how Android's soft keyboard sucks... so what did I do?

I simply copied my mail address and pasted it into every application. Simple as that. On WP7S: Not possible at all. And that soft keyboard there doesn't exactly look good either.

And that, of course, makes the phone a lot easier to use, if you have to figure out how to type phone numbers, addresses etc., right? :rolleyes:

I thought your "intelligent c&p" was there to make it easier to use?! You know, all the talk about automation etc.??? It's certainly easier for the user to copy and paste like he's always done on other phones and PCs, instead of having to figure out how to type something, so that the system's *great* automation technology gets it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
They will. BB and Android will follow suit. Trust me.

and I am not going to fall to your level so that you can beat me with experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
I could say the same for copy+paste. You think it is easy because you know how to do it. You are just afraid of new concepts.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
For goodness sake, man, nobody is saying that copy/paste is easier or even superior to your smart recognition of numbers and one click action and what not. Of course it's nice to have this stuff. C&P is needed because it works where smart stuff fails. And it will fail in many cases.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Just post an update....duh..
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Post an update? Right, you just have to retype everything. No biggie. You have phone number detection, so there's no need to worry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
not really.

just post an "oops...I meant XDA, not DDA".
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
I agree. But how will you find out without taking it away?