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[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
From my understanding it's not "two 3rd party apps at the same time", it's that 3rd party apps can't run in the background period, which means that you can't run a 3rd party app and a 1st party app at the same time if the 1st party app is in the foreground.

It's totally useless.

Then again, I was listening to music and web browsing on my HD2 this morning, and I looked in the Task Manager, and noticed that WMP was eating 10.3% of my CPU, and Opera 10 was eating 0.2%, both of them together were using a whopping 10 megabytes of memory.

So I guess that's Microsoft's logic -- we should be wasting 900 million clock cycles a second.

Maybe I'm just old, but does anyone remember when they bought a PC that had a 1ghz CPU and 128 megabytes of RAM? I do -- it was a Windows ME machine in 1999 or 2000, and it could multi-task!

I have an old server that's the NAT for my e-mail internet connection, it's got:

1.4ghz Celeron

256 megabytes RAM

and is running Windows Server 2003 R2, and Microsoft Internet Security and Acceleration Server 2004.

But my phone, with a 1ghz CPU (albeit a RISC CPU) and 576 megabytes of RAM can't track me on GPS, browse the web, and play songs at the same time...at least according to the Windows Phone 7 Series Team.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
That's what it is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
We'll have to wait until a later build for the emulator to know for sure. As I recall, the current emulator allows a thread created from a 3rd party app to keep updating the 3rd party app while using internet explorer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
The current Emulator is no indication, it even allows full multitasking, which will definitely not exist on phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Lack of background multitasking of third party applications will be unacceptable for me personally. It is not life and death but it's just my stubborn self refusing to live with it when there are better alternatives, after all other factors are considered. Many things are negotiable but this isn't one of them for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
The fact that this comes from an iPhone user says a lot about that feature.

Yes, I agree. Multitasking can be done, it has been done and the advantages far outweigh the disadvantages, especially when it's done right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
That's not how it goes. The SMS notification comes in, you hit reply and handle that, then when you're done the only thing you might need to do is hit Back. The page will open instantly (if it hadn't loaded when you left it it would have continued loading in the background)

I have no problem with the phone dehydrating apps and rehydrating them when I flip back to it. The process is invisible to me. All they need is better navigation (Back works very very well, but sometimes you want to get to an app that is more than a couple screens back. They need some kind of Recent list for files and apps). Going to the Home page for everything on the iPhone is already a pain. To be fair, every Task Manager on every OS requires that you press a button to see a list of running apps, but on Phone7 the Start screen might not have that app or I might have to scroll.

Summary: The Back button does well and the Start screen is only a button away but they still need quicker app switching.

Now as for apps running in the background: I've tried to pay attention to every scenario listed on here as a necessary use case for this, and what I basically see is GPS tracking apps for jogs while listening to streaming internet radio. I haven't really seen anybody discuss any other scenarios that would be impossible on 7 Series, so I'll look into the above.

I heard Kindel say that any software that plugs into their music API will play in the background. I guess there was some misunderstanding since blogs are claiming that Microsoft straight up said 'No' for apps like Pandora. Maybe it only means that an app can launch music in Zune before it closes. As for GPS tracking, they confirmed that a paused process cannot do constant location logging from the background.

So if you want to listen to streams, or track your run, you jog with the app in the foreground since it will work from behind the lock screen. How do I feel on this? Well personally I don't care since a Zune music playlist makes much more sense for jogging than a random internet stream playlist, and Zune also has FM radio. Not sure why I would have a Zune in my hand and be jogging to Pandora.. but that's just me. As for the GPS tracking, I don't use it but I know many do.. and the solution is to simply leave the app open and run. The phone will lock, the app will track. Who's browsing and using the calculator while they're running? If you stop to do something, then the tracking can stop.

I'm not being an apologist, I have my issues with 7 Series too.. but most of the big complaints I've seen here about multitasking don't bother me in the least. I think this may end up better than other platforms if you can switch quickly enough.
[Windows Phone 7 General] marko987:
I didnt buy hd2 waithing for wp7 and now dont know what to do.I like win mobile because you can do anything with it and can make it my own fonts icons everything.first for guy who start this I use file explorer since symbian and want it multitasking too(in wp7 will be multitasking but only for system apps or they can run in back 3rd party soft nope and that is stupid)microsoft wants to get more money so they make this lock system,half hd2 users are geeks as you call them but I call them wery good hackers go in xda and look what they can do its genius and I dont want zune and X box want file explorer and multitask and unlocked system everyone want somethin else so you cant tell peopla want this or that like microsoft I know what I want and all people here and that is not what microsoft give us
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
If you were planning to wait, just wait and see. If you need your phone right now, buy it. I would wait.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
MS will be supporting WM6.x for years to come. Buy a WM6.x phone and enjoy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
Ok I haven't read the whole thread so someone might have answered to same as me.

Do you realy think that the phone OS you are using is making you intelligent? well if yes then that only proves how intelligent you really are.

I would say that WP7 and iPhone are for people that have a life and need a phone that works as a phone. When you need to use your brain (we actualy use our brain for everything we do) to operate a phone something is seriously wrong with the way your phone is build. maybe 1% of all people do really need to stream music, be loged into MSN, Facebook, Tweeter running tom tom while they at the same time are sending emails and sms on their phones. now how intelligent is that? well that 1% of people is getting less because of dead in car crashes.

Most of the notification I've read about are not needed and will only distract you from what you are actually doing. I don't need popups telling my that John had chicken for dinner or Sara is at the corner of fth. street. While what I should be doing is finish an article before deadline or getting an order out to a customer in time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
My WM6.5.3 device "works as a phone". And what is "have a life" other than a fallback for pitiful excuses at debate such as yourself?
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
I was applying to that the fact that it was "no brain" statement. so what I was saying is that most people need a phone that is a phone. not a device that makes them intelligent. but calling people stupid, unintelligent or brainless just because of their phone choice, is not so intelligent. and by have a life I mean they have other things to do then flash new roms and port over apps, They have families and jobs, real life friends.

I'm not saying that xda members don't have that. but to call everyone no brains because they don't make the same choice in phone is the most no brain, unintelligent and not thought through statement I can think of.

Edit:

I've been cooking roms for 10 different devices and used wm 5 to wm 6.5, but my brother has a nokia phone he works as a programing guru (adviser) at the larges software company in our country and I consider him much more intelligent then me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
gullum,

I think you misuderstood that post.

An easy to use interface is for everyone. Of course, everyone wants to get things done quickly.

Restrictions, however, are for people who need companies to think for them, cause they can't use their brains.

I think that's very true.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
People on these boards really like the fallacy of false dichotomy, don't they?

I personally enjoy flashing new ROMs on my HD2. This doesn't mean that I don't have a family (I do), a job (I do), and/or real life friends (I do).

It also is not necessary to flash new ROMs to get a good experience out of your Windows Phone. Mostly it's about flashing a new ROM (note: Singular).

Is Windows Mobile to blame for this? Absolutely not, just like Windows (the desktop OS) isn't to blame for the fact that every HP computer you buy is so filled with bloatware that you practically have to reformat it. Nor does this mean that HP makes bad computers (their business-grade stuff, in my experience, is nothing short of phenomenal), since once you get a fresh Windows install on it, it's a dream.

EDIT: I support what C# said.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
@gullum, well said. That's exactly what need to be said to Spike.

@Spike, see what I mean. You need to be more aware and take heeds of other's feeling and choices too. You believe in freedom of choice, after all, right? Unless you're only a hyprocrites who does not do what you preach.

Some restrictions are there for fair reasons (e.g. to protect the rights of developers and musicians). Others are not fair (e.g. not being allowed to do multitasking). A person with brain will accept the first and try to get around the second by jailbreaking. A person who does not like jail, but refuse to use the key available to get out of jail cannot possibly have more brain.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
no you misunderstood again restrictions are for people who want companies to think for them,not cause they can't use their brains, but because they want to use their brains for other more important things.

Yes not all people want locked down un customizable phones.

but the majority of people want a phone that suds their needs and that is make calls and receive calls send/receive sms. that enough for most people

To be able to surf, take pictures and listen to music is also a high clam. but beyond that the majority don't need more. Email, text editing and such can be done at home on a computer.

I just quote myself again
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
The very mere fact we can do all those things is why the majority of us chose Windows mobile in the first place, for years since the days of PocketPC we have put up with poor graphics and stylus attention areas just to have that ability. Now we are being punished and that is wrong, if MS want to cater to those people fine but they shouldn't stop the rest of us from using our devices how we see fit.

It seems to me like you are very much defending their business decision to take away our ability to do the things we do? You're in the wrong place, that's what this forum is all about.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
I can see that you're a power user like myself, so let me ask you a question.

If there is a phone that can multitask, can cut and paste, can do file transfer by bluetooth, can have 160,000 applications instantly, that can let you read and enter text in any languages without having to switch the OS, that can jump to any part of the long webpages or infact any type of applications, can provide the best customer service in the entire mobile computing industry, can download and save any files, can have privacy to ensure what you do on the phone is not transmitted out, can fake desktop browser, can have really fine volume increment, can control music (pause/play/skip/repeat) without having to switch on the screen, can have TomTom/Copilot/Ndrive/iGO/Papago/Sygic/Navigon for just about any country in the world from day one, can have the best picture and video editing capability on mobile phone without having to use PC, can have all kinds of augmented reality applications, does not limit you to application from the sanction market place only, lets you customize the look of your application at the rate of 30 new themes every day, lets you speak to the phone to compile email/sms/ and make call, gives you the ability to create and edit word/excel/power point programs, gives you the best game experience on any mobile phone, and gives you the smoothness, most finger friendly user interface available, guarantee to give you free software upgrade for the life of the phone, that can be instantly replaced shoulld there be any fault within warranty period with a brand new phone, if this is also a phone that can sync to multiple exchanges, and is so good that even the US army is now going to use it on the battlefield, and is so good that more than 90% of the users love it, will you take it?

Will you take it, if it is called a jailbroken iPhone rather than WP7S?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
1st of all re-read my post I am not defending Windows 7 second of all, I'm British, home to the best Armed Forces in the world so am I going to follow a decision made by the US Army? I don't think so, and finally if I wanted an iCrap, I would have kept the one I bought after 2 years of my HTC Tytn II, but I didn't I took it back to the store after 12 hours. And I may be wrong but I wasn't aware that the iPhone could multi-task? It's rumoured fro OS4.0
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The question isn't directed to me, but I will certainly consider 4G if it gets a decent screen, both in terms of resolution and viewing angles. Current one just doesn't cut it for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
When I first took it home, I had doubt for about a week because the stock OS could not multitask or cut and paste.

I'm talking about jailbroken iPhone, which consist of downloading a program called blackra1n.exe, connect your phone to the PC, and execute blackrai1n. Done. The whole process takes about 30 seconds and you're jailbroken.

I hope so too. That we'll get a slightly larger screen. I was spoilt by my Athena's 5 inch screen before, so I know it's really nice.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
No. Try to use YOUR brain and you'll understand why what you said is utter nonsense.

No. A person with a brain wouldn't support such a company when there are alternatives.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
You have just said that me and eaglesteve don't have a brain.

Funny thing is that right now I'm siting in front of a computer(iMac) that I had to use my brain to turn on and I have to use my brain to think in my 3. languages witch is English and using my brain to control all the mussels that are needed for me to be able to type on the keyboard.

Why do you keep telling people to use their brains. People are not stupid because they buy things they want to use for specific needs. People that buy iPhone expect to get a phone. People that buy a car expect it to get them to their work or where ever they want to go. People who buy a playstation expect to get a gaming consul. they all expect it to do what it is suppose to and then there is the extra.

I can understand that you want a phone that you want to customize to you needs. but at no point is it me, Apple or any iphone that is to blame for MS choice on the WP7 turn.

To be honest do you really think MS gives a **** if they loose some 1000's fanboys on xda if they can gain a 1 million new users with a locked down WP7? I do honestly not.

I also think that the move they make with WP7 is their last chance in the phone marked. All the big manufactures already have Androind in their product line. So if WP7 flops they'll all drop MS at least most of them(because who wants to loose money). and if that happens MS will need to make their own phones just as Apple. We will get Windows Phone not HTC(some greek god) Samsung (some star far away)
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Why do I keep telling people to use their brains?

Because, from the nonsense they post, it's very apparent that they don't use their brains.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
well by the nonsense all iphone apple fanboys post? you are judging millions of people by what I and 2-3 other people have posted.

You said that iPhone is for people with no brains. you should remember that this is millions of people that you don't even know and for all you know these people might even professors, scientist, docters and what not. God help me if I have to rely on a doctor with no brain some day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
Dude, with the greatest level of respect STFU! You are boring everyone, with your pointless and empty arguments.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Not only Apple fanboys. Fanboys in general.

I didn't say the iPhone is for people with no brains. I said restrictions are for people who can't use their brains.

And if you were able to use your brain, you'd notice the huge differences between those two phrases.

Maybe you should learn to read and understand other people's posts, before you make a fool of yourself by posting nonsensical answers.

And by the way, I also bought an iPhone. It's a good phone, but I'm not a moron who needs a company like Apple to tell me what I can and can't do with it. And I'm not a stupid fanboy who defends a company's product against anyone who says the truth about that product's flaws.

When I buy something, it's because I think the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. But only fanboys deny the disadvantages and defend "their" company.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
Ok lets make this clear I'm not trying to defend iPhone I haven't ever used one yet. But I just try to point out that you without thinking(using your brain) say

Well iPhone is restricted so will WP7 be so it's for people that can't think for them self and you added the word moron you even made the clam that WM was making you more intelligent. this is phones we are talking about not university.

I'm not defending anyone except those you unrighteous call people with no brain
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
No. You're making falso conclusions here. Try using some logic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

I said restrictions are for people who need companies to think for them cause they can't use their own brains. Nothing else.

I did not say

- that anyone has no brain

- that iPhones are for people with no brains

- that WM phones are for people with no brains

- that iPhones are for intelligent people

- that WM phones are for intelligent people

- that any phone makes you dumb or intelligent

- ...

I said nothing like that. You said that, cause you're apparently not able to read and understand other people's posts. So please, before you post again, learn how to read and understand and apply some logic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
then why can't you just say what you want.

You could say that you want that you have freedom to do what you like. without making clams that it makes you intelligent and everyone else people with no brains.

I can totally respect what you want. I wanted the same when I bought my Prophet 3 years ago.

ok you edited you post while I was replying

this is what I have a problem with
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
I said exactly what I wanted to say: Restrictions are for people who need companies to think for them, cause they can't use their own brains.

That's all I said.

I did not make any claims that any phone makes you intelligent or not. You understood that, but I didn't say that.

It's not my fault when YOU are too stupid to understand it!
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
I might have remembered wrong but I was quite shure it was you that said Wm was for intelligent people but I might have remembered wring so if thats the case I'm sorry.

"cause they can't use their own brains" is no mater what you try to make it, still the same as saying they are to stupid to think.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
No, I said nothing like that. Not my fault if you get things wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gullum:
I'm still not getting it wrong that you are calling people stupid eventhough you are calling be stupid for seeing what you can't see yourself
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
No, that's not what I said. You got it wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sdlopez83:
Pardon the interruption of your quarreling...

So will it have copy and Paste?
[Windows Phone 7 General] caldaro_shosa:
When searching the net, you'll find information in equal numbers saying "Yes, there will be Copy&Paste" and also telling you "Nope".

Best thing, in my opinion, is to remember back - Microsoft keeps telling us since 10 years "... there will be no public folders in the next Exchange version."
[Windows Phone 7 General] FloatHeavy:
I only read first page but.

I believe the problem is what Microsoft and other Mobile developers call "the masses". They do a study of 100-1000 people using platform, calculate some observations and say "this is what the masses want/do/don't do" etc. It is very faulty and VERY degrading to our human potential.

Really people. The reason I got into ****ing around with phones was because I fixed one of my own and flashed/tweaked and said "WOW. This stuff is very possible for common people to do!"

Babies can learn multiple languages. Anybody can name 5 ways to get to their home address. We can handle cut and paste as a feature even though I understand why microsoft says people want to actively do something w/ text so they will have something like hotlinking. The whole "simplify your need" thing is a ripple effect of what began in USA as "fordism" which is efficient, efficient, efficient, repeat.

I saw WP7 and said, "Is that just Zune?" honestly. I understand the user experience is changing on mobile devices, I'm not saying we MUST HAVE cut and paste in traditional method. But you BETTER have a damn good replacement!

Society as a whole may fall for the simple minded stuff, but we have much more capacity to learn than Mobile companies give us credit. It goes along with ID theory and them TELLING US we can't handle something. People were never complaining about getting apps from 3rd party sources, or USB Mass Storage, these are product of Microsoft wanting to control the user experience! We are not dumb YOU CAN DOIT!
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
GODDAMN I'm bored with the arguing, Gullum, I take my previous statement back, but damn either way we're not screwed, HTCPedia have already ported it to HD2 damn those Russians move fast. WP7 could be interesting after all, all else fails, we could start reverse engineering Symbian............
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Unfortunately, I have this grave feeling that Microsoft spent a bit of time with the people of California. If you're not familiar, it's a state in the US where once you choose to live there, your intelligence drops about 50 points and you start believing stupid ideals like global warming and recycling makes a difference. The entire state should be put to death. Windows Phone 7 is probably based on the opinions of those from this state.