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[Nexus One General] jblazea50:
i have the N1 (TMobile version) on ATT right now and i have the smartphone exclusion so i never got one of those texts requiring me to get the data plan (others using the N1 on ATT were getting this texts and were forced to add the $30 plan); also, i recently called ATT and added data block on my line; they still think that i have my older phone (blackberry) as that showed up on their system

but i don't know how they will work on this new N1; also, i want to know if i get the AT&T version, will they take off the Data Block feature from my line
[Nexus One General] staulkor:
They can probably tell very easily what phone you are on. I called T-Mobile (yea yea, not ATT but still) a few days after I got my N1 on launch day to transfer the insurance or whatever, and when I was talking to the rep, he said "so you are calling from your new Nexus One." I didnt say a word about what phone I was on :P So if T-Mobile can tell what phone is calling them, I can only imagine ATT can too.

They will likely force you into some sort of data plan.
[Nexus One General] jblazea50:
that may be true, but they can't forced me onto a plan because i have the smartphone exclusion grandfathered into my line and i just added the data block

ATT system doesn't have the TMobile N1 imei; hell, i've been with ATT since 2005 with family plan and they still don't have the right phones for 3 of the numbers in their system
[Nexus One General] maxh:
Luckily for us in the United States, IMEI is not ESN. I have not been able to find anything showing that changing IMEI #s is illegal here, and nobody else has been able to show me any either. We don't use IMEIs to blacklist phones like they do in other countries, so it's not illegal to change them. We do use ESNs that way so it is illegal to change those.
[Nexus One General] sonus:
I think it really all depends on whether or not Google gave AT&T a file with all the IMEIs for the AT&T band N1s.

I do know that AT&T has no idea what phone I'm using currently (see sig), but knows immediately when I put my sim into a branded phone (tried w/iPhone, HTC Pure & Pantech Matrix Pro). Not only have I confirmed this over the phone, but I've confimed it by logging into my account after putting a sim into a branded phone, and seeing the phone pop up. No such thing happens with my unbranded phone and unbranded phones I've used in the past.
[Nexus One General] dextroz:
The smartphone exclusion plan is now being phased out internally. They are no longer authorizing reps to add lines into that category as of two months. I think it have something to do with the Nexus One launch?

This I got as 'news' from an AT&T rep direct.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
How is this "cheating" them ? They offer unlimited data at 2G speeds and you pay them for it.

If they want to they can. Not all companies are anti-evil. Cingular is long dead now.
[Nexus One General] Redman0570:
Ok here the way it works, well for me. I'm on the AT&T network, I'm been out of contract for 10 years. In those 10 years I've always used a smart phone.

When I used an AT&T branded smart phone, within the last few months they will automatically place me on a smart phone data plan. When I used none AT&T smart phones, they don’t know what’s going on.

While using the AT&T smart phone I would call and update my IMEI to a Motorola RAZR IMEI, within two hour or so of use it would switch back. I did this several times, each time it would switch back automatically when I started using the smart phone.

If I use a none AT&T smart phone, there was no problems, they accepted the RAZR IMEI never changed it at all.

I’m not smart enough to tell you how they are getting this info from their phones, I thought it was when I connected via HSDPA/HSUPA but I disabled that and there were still able to tell with I used the AT&T phone.

On the legality of them changing your plan if you read their terms of use, it clearly states if you have a Smart Phone, Iphone, or Blackberry you must have a smart phone data plan of $30 & up. Under contract or not, if you use their service you must comply with their terms of use. But this is America, and if people make enough noise about this it may cause them to change their ways. But these terms of use is similar to most of the major carrier if not all.

What do you do?

Use an AT&T phone smart phone and get charged for the smart phone data plan. Make lots of noise with AT&T and see what it gets you, gets us.

Use a NONE AT&T smart phone use the cheap unlimited data plan.

The AT&T phones I tested were the Fuze, Pure, & IPhones 3GS, all had the smart phone plan added even when I provide the IMEI or the RAZR.

The phones I’ve tested from T-Mobile are the Touch Pro2, G1, & Dash 3G, plus countless amounts of none branded AT&T phones I’ve used in the past.

I’m currently using the T-Mobile Touch Pro2, $15 data plan, AT&T recognizes my phone on their site under my account as a RAZR V3.
[Nexus One General] tamanaco:
My fear is that AT&T will not offer a tailored contracts for the N1 that take into account the cost of the phone. AT&T and Google "appear" not to have come to an agreement to launch the N1 with coordinated "support similar to what Google did with t-mobile. T-mobile has plans that take into account the cost of the N1 if you buy it "unlocked" directly from Google. What gets to me... is that even after you're done with your 2-year contract and keep the same smartphone AT&T does not deduct the cost of your already-paid phone from your subsidized plan from your monthly payments. They continue to charge the full cost of the plan after your contract expires as you have no other choice within their plan offerings. If you choose one of their no-contract postpaid options they only offer plans with the same pricing as those that include a subsidized phones. Makes no sense, but since there are no other options you're stuck trying to get the best deal and that is to get a 2-year contract with a subsidized phone if you care to save a few bucks and wait for a phone you like. This is one of the reason why I'm waiting to see what Verizon is going to offer in terms of plans that take into account the cost of the N1. I have to get two phones, so $1,060 is not an amount that I'm going to give up without making sure that I'm getting the best possible deal and service.
[Nexus One General] mazzarin:
... I don't think you read very in-depth on those non-ATT smartphones. One of the few carriers in the world that has phones which are compatible with ATT 3G is Telstra in Australia. 3G TMobile in the US runs on a completely different spectrum.

So when you're buying those phones, you need to look at those "sillly numbers" under network to verify it says 850 (UMTS) or 1900 (UMTS) ;)

FYI, I've had several non-ATT smartphones with full 3G.
[Nexus One General] wyldtek:
Ditto, I'm using a rooted (CM) Rogers Dream (G1) from Canada right now and I have full ATT 3G and the $30 non-smartphone unlimited data/text plan. They have not bothered me about switching to a smartphone data plan since I stopped using the ATT-branded Tilt.

When I'm traveling for work I tether at the client site/hotel/airport and have used as much as 9GB of data in a month (although I usually average 4-5 GB). ATT has never given me any problems about it.

We'll see what happens when my N1 arrives.
[Nexus One General] wyldtek:
Look at the 3G smartphones from Rogers and Telus in Canada. Some Australia and South/Central American carriers also are compatible. eBay is your friend.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UMTS_networks
[Nexus One General] Redman0570:
WOW!! Thank you SOOO MUCH!! I didn't know! I will be looking for Telstra phones now! Wow! This is SUPER news! Most of the phone I was looking for were from the US & Europe, I never considered down under, this is great news! Do they have a Touch Pro2?
[Nexus One General] Redman0570:
Love this site! My knowledge was so limited! Thanks!
[Nexus One General] mazzarin:
Oh yes and Rogers up north of course. Forgot about them, but they don't release any cutting edge phones anyways* :rolleyes:

*As in, you can get them elsewhere long before they are available in Canada.

Also, Mexican carriers, but again, they rarely have desirable phones - save for the Palm Pre GSM.
[Nexus One General] sonus:
The Sony Xperia X1a, Palm Treo Pro, HTC S743, original HTC Touch Cruise, are all unbranded phones that support all ATT 3G bands and are not ATT devices.

Furthermore, as people have said above all Austrlian Telus branded, and Canadian Rogers branded smartphones support all AT&T 3G. The best of them all is the Telus HTC HD2 (Model HTC HD2 T9193). The only thing is that you need to get these branded phones unlocked... which shouldn't be too dificult as you are on XDA anyway.
[Nexus One General] Redman0570:
Is there a Touch Pro 2 that will work with AT&T 3G network? I looking at Telus Touch Pro2 on Ebay but the radio doesn't look like it matches up with AT&T 3G.

Telus TP2 Radio -- 1X EVDO REV A 800/1900MHz, HSPA 2100MHz, GSM/ GPRS/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900MHz

AT&T Tilt2 Radio -- HSDPA/UMTS: 850/1900/2100 MHz

GSM/GPRS/Edge Quad-band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

HSDPA / UMTS

I haven't seen one from Australia, only a HD2 for $800US.
[Nexus One General] sonus:
As far as I know the ATT Touch Pro 2 is the only one of its kind currently. The other carriers (Rogers, Telstra, and maybe Telus/others) offer the X1 as their 528mhz WinMo slider instead.
[Nexus One General] mazzarin:
If you want a Australian TouchPro2 (I couldn't imagine why! A resistive screen :confused:) you're looking for the T7381. Unfortunately, it appears the internet agrees with me since there is only one retailer selling it and they jacked up the price. ($AU880 + shipping, even the HD2 is cheaper!! :eek:)

Maybe post in the XDA marketplace, find a nice like-new one!
[Nexus One General] ram130:
Well AT&T has it noted on there site:

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I wonder why Jamaica is not listed there. They have 3G with Claro and LIME. I was planning to go there with my N1 too. :D
[Nexus One General] NexusX:
Anyone using a HTC Hero Unlock on ATT without them harrashing you for Data Plan?
[Nexus One General] deekjx:
ATT can't force you to take a data plan. You can call then up and specifically block data usage.

Now if you are trying to get away with the cheaper data plan versus the $30 one, then yes they can. Smartphones use a lot more data than your average cell phone. The price according to that. To tell them you don't have a smart phone to get a lower rate is fraud.

But as I said before, you can block data. I've done it on my daughters iPhone.
[Nexus One General] Frag x 3:
The Nexus One is the first unlocked phone that I've ever seen recognized in the OPUS sales system. If it's recognized there, it's requiring a data plan. I've used the Telus Hero and the HD2 on my personal plan with $10 data, no problem - but when my buddy tried it with the Nexus, it added the data plan. He immediately sold his and switched to the Milestone.
[Nexus One General] NexusX:
How did you block the data on the Iphone deekjx? yes I know call ATT, but doesn't Iphone automatically get a data plan tag to it? no matter what since ATT is a vampire like Frag x3 said. If you got a way around this I would love to know since my GF want one really bad
[Nexus One General] Redman0570:
Ok, I’ve been told that there are smart phones out there that will work on the AT&T 3G network and are not AT&T 3G branded. Is anyone using one that is not a Sony X1 or X2? Where did you buy it from?

I’ve been looking for phones from other carriers like Telus, Telstra, Movistar, & others internationally that has AT&T 3G band but nothing.

I’ve been looking on EBay and other web sites that sell unlocked phones, the only thing I’m finding is the Sony X1 & X2. Nothing else, even the HD2s available on EBay are not compatible if you read the specs. ONE Telstra HD2 for $900+ is compatible. Most, if not all, are UMTS 900, 1700, & 2100.

I’m looking for a phone like the TP2, with a keyboard and big screen. The Sony X1 & X2 are ok, but that keypad on the bottom and the small size is not desirable but I might have to settle for it because I’m missing the 3G speed and features to talk and surf at the same time.

I might even give up my fight with AT&T and get the Tilt2 with their $30 phone package, like I said it seem like they willfully are on UMTS 1900 band and I would bet they actively prevent importation and sales of any compatible none AT&T phone.

Thanks for the help thus far.
[Nexus One General] mazzarin:
Like I said, post on marketplace and maybe you'll get lucky.

Or send a message to this guy and confirm his phone box says NextG on it and offer him whatever he wants to ship it to the US! Auction closing in 10hrs

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-Touch-Pr...ItemQQptZAU_Mobile_Phones?hash=item2a0588608f

Yes, the specs he posted below say its not compatible, but I think it's more likely that he just copied the first specs he could find. The picture with the box in it is very low-resolution, but I'm pretty sure that says NextG in the bottom right.

--Edit--

Or this

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/HTC-Touch-pr...ItemQQptZAU_Mobile_Phones?hash=item439de6c6c4

Or if you reallyreallyreallyreallyreally want it and will pay anything ($950 USD)

http://www.mobileextras.com.au/ProductDetails/tabid/65/CategoryID/60/ProductID/6371/Default.aspx

/Sorry for the threadjack.
[Nexus One General] Redman0570:
For example look at the last one, for $350 from mossygotthegear , the specs says Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz, that can't be right, right? This is what I'm seeing. Or do I just get one anyway?
[Nexus One General] coolbho3000:
No it isn't, at least without a clear definition of "smart phone" in the contract. There isn't even a provision in the contract saying that they can decide which phones are "smart."

Okay, AT&T, my phone is a superphone. Now downgrade me to the $15 medianet.
[Nexus One General] mazzarin:
Lets take it to PM.
[Nexus One General] sonus:
Agreed, my understanding of an official "AT&T smartphone" is that it is only limited to the "smartphones" they sell and have thus labeled as a smartphone in their store. So if you buy a winmo phone that they do not sell, then its not an official AT&T smartphone, and you can use whatever data package you wish.
[Nexus One General] liam.lah:
As far as i know, there aren't many android devices over here, Telstra at this moment does not stock any, but the HTC desire will be coming to telstra in April i believe.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
as of today the $10 data plan is not available to n1 users at all
[Nexus One General] j.bruha:
What do you mean? As in, the account gets automatically provisioned to the $30 data plan and the $10 option isn't available to switch in OLAM at all? Please elaborate?
[Nexus One General] britoso:
yes, I used to keep switching back to the $15 ($5 for messaging) plan but as of Saturday the $10 and $15 data plans are not showing up anymore. The $30 smartphone plan is chosen for me and I cant change it.

I've got 2 days left in my contract, so its good riddance! Heloooo T-mo.
[Nexus One General] bostonirishguy13:
Are you putting your SIM back into a dumbphone, then logging into OLAM?
[Nexus One General] deekjx:
The $15 plan still exists. Try changing your default phone on their menu in the billing app to the pantech phone.
[Hero CDMA General] ajones7279:
:confused: Um...is this normal?

Hadn't really noticed a huge drain though.

Edit: I'm running DCv1.
[Hero CDMA General] HERNANDEZ4LIFE:
Just checked mine. I'm at 88% display and 12% cell standby. Running Darchtrev v2.
[Hero CDMA General] TechniShawn:
Using DC v1

Cell Standby 70%

Phone Idle 20%

Display 8%

Android System 2%
[Hero CDMA General] kashb91:
im right there with you ajones. anybody have ideas as to why this is? i havent really seen a difference in battery life though. could just be a glitch.
[Hero CDMA General] ajones7279:
Did you guys open the camera before you checked?
[Hero CDMA General] kashb91:
no. its been like that for a while. last time i used the camera was last night.
[Hero CDMA General] HERNANDEZ4LIFE:
Not right before... I did use my camera today though.
[Hero CDMA General] centran:
I don't like telling people this because you can get in trouble by closing the wrong thing but... try a task killer and make sure the camera is completely closed.

Many Roms come with Astro of ES File Manager and those have a task viewer/killer built in.
[Hero CDMA General] kashb91:
i tried that. didnt see the camera as one of the running processes.
[Hero CDMA General] tyrnight:
Maybe its an app running like goggles or barcode.
[Hero CDMA General] kashb91:
just checked. only thing that i could think of to have a hold on the camera is handcent and the messaging app. closed those. ill see what happens

*update*

so that didnt do anything. still reading at 93%. anybody have any ideas or are we just out of luck?
[Droid Eris General] strungout420:
Is there a way to merge the My Contact Card (under People) with an existing contact?

For instance, I have a contact setup for myself via Google Contacts, and it syncs and work just how I would expect, but I want to be able to merge it with the My Contact Card information, so that if/when I make changes they are pushed down and I don't have to worry about updating them twice.

Actually, it would probably be better if I could just remove the My Contact Card altogether.

Sorry if this question has been posted before--I tried to search but nothing happened!!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
The title couldn't be any more specific.

I have posted a few threads regarding the absence of a patched version of Cyanogen's ROM (and others). Yet nothing has happened. The Fender/1.2 has been out for almost three months now and what do we have? Very little.

What we do have:

A rooted odexed stock rom.

A few unstable ports.

What don't we have:

Tethering

Overclocking

Touchscreen

compcache

swap

ram hack

and more...

Now I've been monitoring the issue tracker http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=1174 and a few people have mentioned that they are willing to donate for the sake of development. Including myself. So I suggest this, if you are serious about donating for the cause include a post with the amount you are willing to donate. Then the developer that posts a successful boot.img file (bonus points for BFS, CFS, memory hack, etc) will be awarded the donation (providing that everyone makes good on their word).

I've started a poll so that we can count the interests as well. Simply vote for it and you're username will be logged and immediately summed up.

Also for those that are interested but don't feel up to donating you can show your support by following the issue tracker for this issue.

http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=1174

Thank you all for your support!

SO FAR WE HAVE RAISED $435 for a fully working patch!

Voting and commenting is NOT an obligation. This is simply to get an idea of how much can be raised to the cause and nothing more.

But if you do say that you're going to donate anything more than $100 then we will probably ignore you because if you are willing to donate such an amount then you are either very generous or very much in need of professional help. ;)

IF YOU ARE A DEVELOPER AND ARE INTERESTED IN THIS CHALLENGE PLEASE RESPOND!!!

The first developer to post a working and stable boot.img will be posted here and I will direct all donations your way!

Easy money.

THIS THREADS FAVORITE DEVELOPER IS: Zinx Verituse

So our hero has posted an update on this thread a PATCH that you flash after flashing the Cyangoen/Super D roms to enable full functionality of the system.

Instructions:

Simply flash your rom

Then immediately flash this patch afterwards.

Unfortunately you still cannot use anything else that requires an alternate boot.img file. In otherwords we do not have the option for CFS, BFS, MEMHacks, etc because it would have to be based on THIS particular patch.

Those that have dedicated themselves to donating please stand by for the link to do so.

Thanks to all that got involved to make this happen!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
Total

Total as of 1215 hours PST April 17, 2010

So far 15 people are willing to donate a total of $445.

Top donations:

$100 - SDraver

$50 - Aeikozz

$50 - Binary100100

$50 - uunnzz

$30 - TimTim

$25 - magana1268

$20 - Shawn1224

$20 - voxluna

$20 - bettasplash

$20 - shadow.8

$10 - dstauth

$10 - AngioNicholai

$10 - zmattmanz

$10 - MassiveAttack

$10 - heavensblade23

$10 - Aaron!

$10 - zyglrox

Thanks!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
Three so far said that they'd donate but haven't specified an amount.

dstauth

Ubermario

Can we put you guys down for at least $5?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
I'm donating $50.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] bunu:
False Hope.

Can you just use the 32A port to make the Cyanogenmod 32A then use the kernel from the rooted stock fender rom to get touchscreen? I read that somewhere.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Aeikozz:
50$ here as well
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
I've tried the kernel with seven different ramdisks. Most importantly though is in a Cyanogen ramdisk. Since the 32A ramdisk should be about the same I'll give that a try tonight. I'm about to head out the door for a half day at work. Do me a favor (because I'm too short on time) either post the boot.img of the 32A port or the link to it so I can try it.

Thanks.

Gotta go. :p

EDIT:

Nope... didn't work. :(
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
Only one other person is committed to donating? Sure it's great to say "I'll donate" but it's much better to say "I'll donate $1" but by the looks of this so far it's going to be a long time before a patch is made. So far we have a $100 donation total. Any dev want an easy $100?

It would be better if we had more than $100 guys.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] st0kes:
I'm interested, but I'm confused. I had thought the myTouch1.2 was just a 32A with a 3.5mm headphone jack? Seems there is more to it than that though?

I'd like to look at this but it would be kind of difficult without actually owning the device.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
Hey thanks st0kes. Yeah there is more to it. This is what I came up with for a theory:

We need to edit the file contents of the MyTouch 1.2/Fender kernel (attached) and pull out the drivers for the touchscreen and headphone jack and place them in a Cyanogen kernel. Then rebuild it with a Cyanogen rom ramdisk and we should be good. But that's my theory. I'm not a developer but I've been busting my a$$ trying to get this to work. The closest that I've been able to get was with the 32A ramdisk and the original fender kernel. It will seem to start up and as soon as it gets to the wifi or bluetooth it will force the device to reboot. I've pushed over the wlan.ko file from recovery and didn't help. I'm stumped. Anyway, attached is the kernel that I pulled from the original fender rom. Can you (or anyone else) see what you can do with it please? Thanks.

I also noticed that in the ebi1 patch it overwrites the original lib\modules and usr\keylayout directories. I tried just pushing those and no luck.

I attached the boot.img, the -kernel file and the ramdisk.cpio.gz file.

Thanks again!

p.s. I'll be more than happy to be a lab rat. ;)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dstauth:
I can only commit to $10 at the moment. That could change though.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] shawn1224:
I'm good for a twenty spot
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
I think SDRaver wants this really bad!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
So far we are ~$230 for a patch. This is great! We're at a point now that we can almost buy the dev his own MyTouch.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Binary100100:
Thanks guys!

$270 now!