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[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
I am none of those things. I only offer imagination, leadership in uniting a production team capable of taking on this task, and most importantly; a vision. A loyal Android patron since the G1, with only the basics down, I can only bring to the table what Google wants even the shmukiest of shmuks to carry on their shoulders; inspiration.

I hope to bring together a team of devs and let my seed of a idea grow into a full blossomed dream come true.

If you dont want to be apart of it, if you insist on only bringing negativity to the thread, I ask you simply ignore the posts.

Organization is the key.

I am holding that key.

Will you walk through the locked door with me?
[Hero CDMA General] gu1dry:
I'm not bringing negativity to your "thread", I simply asked what you asked everyone else in this thread, yet never provided yourself.

If your continue to have a chip on your shoulder, when people request the same as you, you will get nowhere.

And I will politely decline your request of invitation to this "adventure".
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
Imagination is key... in fact it is one of the things that Google requires you to have if you want to get a job with them. I read in one of their interviews, that they will give you questions, and they see how you work it out. The things they look for in solving it are out-of-the-way methods that aren't straight forward. Sinister, I'll join you too if you want. I bring LOTS of imagination.
[Hero CDMA General] obelisk79:
Inspire me with your imagination. Can you do a mock-up or concept of how you want this new UI to work? I am not alice, I won't jump down the rabbit hole. I won't just take the red pill without a sense of direction.

Concept, design, structure, workflow... provide more vision please than just a 'possible' name. Leadership is much more than just imagination and organization; you can start by providing both direction and inspiring vision.

I'm not trying to be rude, merely blunt about your ambitions. If you want to have a chance to see your goals come to fruition, you need to do more than just what you have already.
[Hero CDMA General] gu1dry:
Well said obselisk & that's what I was mainly trying to get across.
[Hero CDMA General] bikcmp:
I would be able to help out with this.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
I take it no one read my orignial post. I absolutely could not make a demo, I do not have such prowess. I only wanted to know if the devs on this site were capable and willing. I will be fixating my first post, so people can walk into this thread knowing what to expect; I will also be describing in full detail how I picture this UI.

I didnt realize inquiring the devs to unite for a common goal would be met with so much negativity. There is certainly no chip on my shoulder. I posted a friendly welcome, been all ears and encouraging those who doubted themselves. If the devs and members of this site are so quick to shoot down, then please, take no part.

For everyone else who posted with the same enthusiasm as I intended this project to hold, I thank you and hope you check back later tonite for ALOT more information.

This is Android, people.

Anything is possible.
[Hero CDMA General] obelisk79:
Heck do some sketch-ups in microsoft paint. something to help provide a visual of what you envision, along with your description. If you could do that, preferably in a storyboard format to show work-flow in navigation this UI that would be even better.

I can do some graphic design if given a good concept to work from, not saying that I will take on this project, but if the concept is good enough and I feel there is a fair chance for success, I'd at least consider.

As it stands right now I'm working on a major project (read: [ROM]) which includes a major reskinning of Sense and some layout changes/tweaks not to mention stuff 'under the hood' so to speak. I barely have enough time to spend on that let alone take on another project. The least that could be done is provide inspiration, you'll get a better response and participation that way.

Please don't take my post as being rude or negative, I'm just being pragmatic here, you can't start a new project without having anything to offer other than vague ideas. You are right, anything is possible, and I wish you luck, if I see this actually take form and start to actually go somewhere I may offer my limited talents to assist. As it stands right now I must decline your offer.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Thats the support I was looking for. Microsoft Paint will just have to do :-D

Writing up the storyboard now :-D
[Hero CDMA General] bitbang3r:
Er, there's already such a project: AOSP. The biggest problem AOSP seems to have right at this instant is the fact that up to now, everyone involved with it has been overwhelmed just trying to get enough in place to have a phone that halfway works. A major challenge has been the fact that AOSP (understandably) has been 99% focused on 2.x and beyond, but half the world's (or at least America's) Android owners have been chained to 1.5, and there hasn't been any graceful way to bridge the divide. You were either involved with the kernel efforts and limped along with a dysfunctional phone, or watched from the sidelines and wished the alternative wasn't so unappealing.

Up until literally a few days ago, running 2.x on a HeroC meant giving up a HUGE amount of functionality, because the stock apps from Sprint wouldn't run on the 2.1-ish 2.6.27 FrankenKernels we had (painstakingly created by hardworking developers who worked miracles with the table scraps they were thrown by Google & HTC), nor would most of the core apps from the phones that shipped with 2.x. There wasn't much of a middle ground. You either moved to the metaphorical New World and lived in a primitive state of nature, or remained in the crowded, fading, and decaying Old World where things at least tended to work most of the time... but still annoyed you a lot.

With the latest round of 2.1 Kernels arriving (not just for the Hero, but the other phones too), the Android Enlightenment has finally arrived. We can now have phones with real 2.1-compatible 2.6.29 kernels, with all the stock apps we need, and can now focus on improving the things we care about one project and .apk at a time, instead of being forced to drink from a firehose and try to fix "everything" simultaneously just so we can hope to have a semi-working phone 3 months from now.

IMHO, 2H2010 is the start of Android's first golden era. The time when everything finally came together, and fun became a realistic alternative to mere survival. :cool:
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Now THATS what I'm talking about! What do you think you can help with? Every little bit helps!
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
yikes, ALMOST scared me off ;-)

im sure AOSP has been working hard; perhaps they'd like to take a break and help out on a side project. or better yet, combine forces.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
at least obselisk did it politely.

@obselisk; this first post was only to see the reaction. the responders did deter me at first, but im coming at it with a renewed vigor.

join me, lets change the world
[Hero CDMA General] obelisk79:
Provide me with some story-board and I might find time to do a polished mock-up. I'm certainly not out to hinder possible innovation.

Edit: leaving out the word "not" in the last sentence certainly was a major typo
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Will do. Be up by tomaro. For now, maybe work on something simple; a clean slate of homescreens but with a twist...instead of flicking side to side, lets flick it up and down to change home screens. I kinda picture half a gear sticking out of the right side, and everytime you change homescreens, the gear spins with it. The pinch to view all in 2.1 is cool, that should be kept for sure.

The honest to god hardest part I truthfully believe will be the widgets. I cant really draw those, its up to the artist. I can, however, desribe them, and let them do their own thing.

btw, updated the first post with some more specific idea's. it will be updated daily as, hopefully, it gets more attention.
[Hero CDMA General] Mr. Biggz:
Dude your starting post is absolutely epic. Sounds like you write as a profession. I'm on board, the whole concept just sounds amazing. I'm gona have to steal that java book I gave my girl for xmas. What ever help you need I'm right here.
[Hero CDMA General] poopsie:
I know nothing about coding, at all. But, I do do sound production for radio and TV. I can make up sound effects if needed.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
You get that book...join the Android Revolution.

Thanks for the encouragment, THATS our TRUE foundation.

Ps; i do write for a profession. Check out my music @ myspace.com/sinistermeshes

Screw ps, EVERYONE CHECK OUT MY ****IN MUSIC! :-)
[Hero CDMA General] abcdfv:
That clock idea sounds ****ing epic. I can't do much as far as programming or anything, but I can beta test.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Thanks kind sir. Every little bit counts. Thanks for the support, itll be the patrons of Imagine who will benifit the most.
[Hero CDMA General] TheBiles:
This is an extremely ambitious and optimistic adventure, devs, and I look forward to seeing any progress that you may make. I can only provide my testing skills, but I will support you fully!
[Hero CDMA General] obelisk79:
too much autotune...

not sure if you have a producer, but the production quality lacks refinement. There's actually some potential in your music. What are you writing your beats in? fruityloops? The hooks are missing something too, I can't pinpoint what right off the top of my head though.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Support! Support!
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Im sorry you feel that way. I do have a instrumental producer, but I record and mix vocals myself.
[Hero CDMA General] zenulator:
Lack of coding skills is what concerns me. You have no proof of concept or mockups. If you can't code at least draw up some ui designs. I love the enthusiasm though. The one good thing about android is that most of the core/base apps are open source can be replaced. AOSP is pushing along nicely but in my opinion not unlike yours more innovation needs to come from the community. We're at SDK 7 and AOSP is still using the same keyboard ui that was implemented in cupcake sdk 3. I'm mainly interested in rewriting the home app and standard android keyboard. So right now in my spare time I'm in the process of designing my own keyboard based off the open source latin ime and mixing in elements of the htc ime and some elements of the iphones keyboard mainly for spacing mainly for my own sanity. After that I plan on taking the best elements from other phones and implementing them on android. For example space is waisted in the standard android home screen with a simple pull up tab in the middle leaving useless space on the right and left sides of the tab. Sense UI made use of this wasted space with options in rosie to bring up the phone app, program list, and add widget/folder/program but more can be done like adding a most used apps or settings menu or taskmanager. One other idea is to have the launcher/app menu pop up to show apps then swipe to the left or right to view more apps or have tabs for organization. The list could go on.....
[Hero CDMA General] obelisk79:
not taking a pot-shot at your music, just trying to offer constructive criticism. tone down the auto-tune settings focus on vocal control, the audio levels between vocals and instrumentals are fine, also I'd suggest slightly less reverb and digital echo I think I hear? I'd probably dump the echo all together except in say a chorus and even then you want it to be subtle on vocals. Muddles musical tonality, especially in vocals, I can't even tell if you can really sing or not because or overuse of special effects and audio filters. It's a common mistake with musicians in that regard so don't take it personal.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
No worries, I certainly didnt feel offended :-) critisim is always welcome.

Negativity is not.

:-)!!
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
I whole heartidly believe all the Android community needs is a little push. I dont plan on being the one in charge, only the one to shove. This will be a multilayered collaboration. If the right peopeople help and support, they wont NEED me too program a thing. Ill inspire them to make an original work and pull together and combine their work to make something we, ifags, and Google themselves could only dream of.

Join me. Your support is not only appreciated, but indeed, needed.

This cannot happen without you.

Or you.

Or you.

And thats right...even YOU.

IMAGINE

FASHION MEETS FUNCTION

hows that for a tagline?
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
In my opinion, any android taskbar is a waste of space. The add in rosie button is obsolete with long press, and the app drawer is clunky. For IMAGINE UI, i picture more a dockbar to most used apps or preselted apps, phone, messaging and an arrow button leading to the app drawer. Reminicent of Home++, which takes away the notification bar and replaces the arrow with it, and offers it as more of a sliding dockbar. Fashion. Meets. Function.
[Hero CDMA General] souless poet:
Saw your post earlier about your home screen transitions and was thinking that the up and down part would seem to be a bit awkward....innovation is a great idea....have seen a lot of pretty cool transitions between screens such as it looking like a page is turning and 3d cubes and spb mobile shells carousel....was thinking of a fade out...something that tails off at the end...so you swipe to move from one screen to the next but instead of it peeling like it's a page turning it fades foward and disappears....not like it's crumpled but a wavy effect...as if it's floating away....it's really hard to describe something in your head with just words....wish I could show....but anyhow...love the function and fashion....think 3d visual is the way to go as well....animation...things that are visually appealing...things that people are gonna wanna do over and over again just to look at it because they think it looks sick....anyway...just my 2 cents

p.s....was also thinking that adding sound to the home screen if it was possible would be pretty cool to...with the option of turning it off obviously....you know how the new home screen clock widget shows it raining and snowing etc....how bout adding sound to that...for rain add thunder and raindrops and wind the sound of wind blowing etc....having stock apps make the sound of money....caching!!!!! stuff like that...
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
8

Lol that post made me smile, just because of all the posts, this one only proves my point further. Android is for EVERYBODY, 100% customizable and in a grand schemish-kindaway, every phone is unique.

I am going to make an edit *again* to the first post again; i want to know what YOU WANT. You list your demands in a phone, and i will collaborate the best team to make it yours.

Dear sir/mam, if you know how to do these things youve stated, i absolutely want you to be apart of this team.

Close your eyes and IMAGINE.

Where fashion meets function.

The Imagine UI. Fully...you
[Hero CDMA General] souless poet:
Wish I could say that I could help but the only thing that I can offer is opinion....I am not in any capacity able to any type of dev work...I am merely a consumer...one who like most of us on these board is addicted to their phone....though my trade is definitely considered visual....good luck with your project and hope to be seeing an app from whatever team you put together in the future.
[Hero CDMA General] Leukay:
I commend you for being so aggressive with this, and you have my support. I don't have much programming experience (limited c++) but I do have some ideas for the UI. I don't know how advanced we are aiming for/capable of, but I can help on the coming up with a design front.
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
How about this for a homescreen layout concept:

Each screen is like a page, and flicking to the left or right flips the page over (the page revolves around a center axis, but flicking to the left multiple times shows a different "page"... sort of like the previous page dissappears). Then, if you wanted a view of all the "pages" (similar to the sense helicopter view type of thing), the pages would unfold, and they would be laid out next to each other in a line?
[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
I was thinking something similar to this. Perhaps something like the cube that was on the Touch Vogue, but not as clunky. Or 9 pages, in a three by three square, that can turn and move in a cube fashion, and then zoom out, or even unfold to select the one you want.

As far as help i would like to submit my photos for use in the wallpaper gallery, and i can crudely photoshop. I have a lot of work in the S2U2 customization thread on PPCGEEKS. I would link, but im banned, and not going to try to find it all.

Link to my Flickr, for examples of my photography.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
DEAR ANDROID PATRONS. THE REVOLUTION HAS BEGUN.

oh, oh...

dont mind me, keep going; seriously.
[Hero CDMA General] sinistermeshes:
Ive been messing with the 3D gallery in 2.1, and I see no reason the whole UI couldnt be like that (though in this case, we might have to move to the n1, with the snapdragon. I believe the Hero has the power to start a solid build, and I would love to stick it out...but this is where teamwork comes into play.

These ideas are amazing, and I adore the seed ive planted, but its time to step it up. We have to unite, only we know what we want, and we have to tools. I hope to learn ALOT from this, and I hope your all in on this too.

Still looking for a widget designer, anyone good at aesthetic widget coding? The widgets are will be whats make this UI. The other will be the INTERACTION. The expierience of using the phone.

We all understand this will mean *AT SOME POINT* we will have to erase Rosie to leave room for this alternative. Complete domination over the phone. Custimization people would pay for. A UI that is so user friendly, delicate and subtle, and yet powerful when called upon. Flash 10=equivilant of pc. Hero has enough power to get this build going.

We could support a pool of information (guides, kitchens, forums for general help) where anybody who roots, removes rosie, and uses IMAGINE instead, will have acess to custimizations that top the iphone, or indeed, any phone in the world.

...and look cool while we were doing it
[Hero CDMA General] gators0223:
If this gets going in a well defined direction, I want in. I keep going back and forth between Sense and Home++ and stock and I feel Sense is the best for me but still missing...something. Something I can't pinpoint yet.

As for helping, I am pretty well versed in Java and becoming more familiar with Android by the minute. I'm sure I could find something to help out with.
[Hero CDMA General] Mr. Biggz:
Heat effect

So just playing around with the weather effect idea.

If it was really hot out.
[Hero CDMA General] Leukay:
OMG that would be wicked if we could get a sweet ripple heat effect like that!
[Hero CDMA General] Mr. Biggz:
Frosted

Its cold out
[Hero CDMA General] BogotaLima:
Best post ever
[Hero CDMA General] sm_x:
I was wondering if it was possible to replicate the mobile 7 UI. It's kinda of impressive. widgets can be part of a big page and you scroll though it with ur finger. Add some snaps to edges.

I am not sure if I am making my self clear maybe I should do a photoshop mockup.
[Hero CDMA General] bitbang3r:
Idea: instead of panning the home screens from left to right, pan them lower-left/upper-right (or for left-handed users, a prefs setting to do the same thing with the opposite diagonal corners... lower-right/upper-left).

Why: flick your thumb across the screen, and notice that the most effortless direction is diagonal.

Possible variation: envision your home screens as a ring whose northwest quarter (northeast, if left handed) is displayed, and rotates clockwise when you stroke from lower-left to upper-right, and counter-clockwise when you stroke from upper-right to lower-left.

This actually highlights my pet peeve with the "Flan"(?) keyguard compared to the (IMHO) nearly-perfect "Eclair" keyguard, which rotated. The Eclair keyguard perfectly followed the arc of your thumb. The Flan keyguard, in contrast, requires conscious effort to keep your thumb's motion horizontal.

Idea #2: make the input-method editor translucent, and instead of relying on extra taps and time delays to make it appear and disappear, hijack the volume-down hardkey: when pressed, show the IME and accept input; when not pressed, hide the IME. To compensate for the loss of the volume-down key, make volume-up the system meta-config key that, when pressed, makes the phone go into gesture-recognition mode to do things like mute the ringer, mute the audio, raise/lower volume, etc. AFAIK, this would have to be at least partly done at the kernel level.
[Hero CDMA General] kniteshift:
same, minus java.

I'm interested!

And, like most programs. I think we should get a solid team, decide the steps and how we want to plan these things out. For example, one person can jot down a bunch of information that's wanted in this project.

You, also, have to consider the amount of research it will take for UI design, aside from the resources that we might need for some who are not as experienced as others. With enough time, dedication, and testing we can probably get something started!

Also, someone mentioned on the first page, that we should communicate these ideas through Google Wave, which is perfect.

Count me in to your project, I've been dying to get my hands on some development for Android.
[Hero CDMA General] dmc971989:
what about making the screens transition like turning the pages of a book?
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
the idea of this thread is good and i know the op has good intentions BUT.... i think most of these changes and new UI would bring our already slow hero's to a crawl. this is why htc disabled most of the animations in the first place. if you want fast just use the standard android home without sense and theme the launcher. there is not enough ram or a fast cpu to handle a ton of graphics. ;)
[Hero CDMA General] jonnythan:
So the OP wants some other people to develop a while new Android UI for him while he doesn't really do anything?
[Hero CDMA General] Negrito:
It can handle a lot though, i have live wallpaper running (matrix @ full speed)with Launcher2 w/ the 3d wrap around just fine. It gets a little laggy if im listening to music w/ my bluetooth headphones, but other than that it runs Quite well.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
sorry...but...no way! most hate the new wm7 look including me! wait until spb mobile shell comes for android and im sure there will be themes like that.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
it can handle some to an extent but lets face it, the phone is not that fast overall. im a bit disappointed with it...tbh!
[Hero CDMA General] jonnythan:
I don't think anyone has said that you can't do this, but the funny thing is that you're basically just asking other people to do it for you. You're making zero effort to even bother finding out anything about the overall process, much less actually attempting to do it yourself.

This "project" is a non-starter. You admit you bring nothing to the table besides imagination and enthusiasm. You're a cheerleader, not a coach. A greeter, not a manager.

If you're that enthusiastic and imaginative, go figure out how to do it yourself.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
i agree as well, he wants to be a leader but do no work.

zenulator would be great for a project like this. he was a great dev for the touch vogue and the android port.
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
Fixxer and johnnythan, if you don't wish to help with the project, the solution is simple: don't post. Some people obviously wish to work on this and give it a shot, and you guys obviously don't. Bye.
[Hero CDMA General] fixxxer2008:
i have no desire to work on it, i wish you guys the best though!