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[HD2 General] ronkra:
So you tweaked a lot of stuff on your UI and that made you give up on it.

Ok.

My HD2 does not need intensive cosmetic tweaking to the UI. Spooky!

Maybe you're just obsessive compulsive...just saying.

Not one freeze in one month of heavy usage (meaning it runs stuff I half bake...I mean compile and execute on it) and some initial tweaks with Cookie's mod and control panel made it look peachy (btw you folks rock).

As for the process of jumping from premisses to a logic conclusion, even Android can't fix that. So good luck using it. Just don't go declaring something to be an extinct life form when all you have to go on with is: "I tweak and flash a lot". That is more telling of how much you are unable to appreciate and use something then of the intrinsic value and quality of the object you judge.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I'm actually interested in going to WM from Android.

Android doesn't support the things I want to do. Mainly video/audio codec support for most files.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
got my Desire on pre order. I love the big screen of the HD2 but ive come to the conclusion that im something, of an app fan. I dont want to move back to an iPhone and Android is something I have experience with.

For me Android offers MORE potential for customization, and by customization I don't mean making the home screen look a bit different but real CORE app functionality. I'm a big texter and on Android I recall a number of SMS apps that one can REPLACE the built-in messaging client with - Chomp, SMS Popup, Handcent...to name a few. These apps offer the facility to quick reply from within any app via a popup window, and also to initiate a text message whilst in, say, Google Maps...and they all have a different look to them.

The only app I can think of that has any similarity to this on Windows Mobile is made by Vito, is ugly as sin, and offers very little other than a clunky looking popup.

This is just one facet of a number of other things I have found Windows Mobile to be deficient in since moving back to it from Android. Just simple things like Twitter clients and IM applications - even from the SAME companies - look, feel and work ten times better on Android.

The fact that the HTC Desire will be receiving support for 720p DivX and video recording sells it to me. I'm positive the younger OS will take advantage of the Snapdragon processor a lot better than WinMo, considering how much more stable the Hero was than our HD2s, despite its sluggish processor.

I'm going to be sad to leave the Windows Mobile world to a degree - I will also be sad that I have no chance of getting more than £300 for my pristine unlocked HD2 despite paying £499 only a few months ago, but fortunately my contract with T-mobile expires on the 5th of April.

The second hand price drop is a lot more severe than I've seen for most other devices and perhaps tells just how much faith people have in the devices future.
[HD2 General] vince2773:
Agree 100%. Oh, and I am one of the plenty on 1.66 :D

I have been doing quite some tweaking on my HD2 since I got it just before XMas. Most of the times I did it just for the pleasure of playing around with the thing rather with a real usability or aesthetics objective.

When I bought the HD2 knowing that I could "get my hands dirty" was one of the (secondary) point in my decision making.

Most of us people here like to play around with our devices. The problem is if we get carried away (like with many other things in life).

And when one gets carried away - often one of the most effective solutions is quitting altogether. No shame in that (on the contrary - I believe it's a very responsible decision!!).

Those who do not get carried away, let's keep in mind that we *could* - so let us not criticize those who quit.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
This is XDA DEVELOPERS FORUM, after all!!

: D
[HD2 General] Archer:
lol.

"I tweaked my phone and now it's ugly, so I got a different one"

Troll++
[HD2 General] Halle:
Well I have tried Android numerous times, and personally, I hate it. It's so ugly that it looks like some china-low budget crap. In the HD2 with it's amazing Sense, I get all that I need for everyday use in a way that I prefer - and the Sense UI is stunning beautiful.
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
I tampered with mine for a couple of weeks, but now its as I want it, I only use it for its intended purposes.

Constant tampering isn't in my situation.

Good luck with your new phone, I'm guessing you'll be tampering with widgets and apps and themes on 'droid anyway ;)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I have to disagree, no offence. Unskinned Windows Mobile looks like crap.

Fact.

Android with Sense looks very nice on the Desire...even if It's not your thing you'd have to be an anus to think it looks like 'China low budget crap'.

If you get what you prefer, great - and I'm happy for you - but I'm bored of what comes with the HD2 and there is little to no app development on windows mobile to keep me excited.

With Android I can change my SMS, Twitter, Facebook, Email clients for ones with new features, with WinMo I'm stuck with the built in ones or a few crappy marketplace apps that don't look or feel as nice and cost money, and there is little to no modification that can be done to the core apps like sms and email - even where there is it offers a disjointed feel at best. Most 'developments' on these forums are either Sense mods or tweaks/fixes to the failings of windows mobile and HTC rather than TRUE software development (and I really dont say that to criticise them in any way).

I do still love my HD2 but I just feel that its potential is wearing thin and i kind of want to jump to a more reliable and future proof ship before I feel left out in the cold.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
HD2 is the first WM device I've had where I use the stock ROM that came with it when I bought it (1.43). Occasionally I install tweaks out of curiosity but always return to stock stuff (except the 4x4 icon tweak for the home screen).

And I certainly enjoy not tampering with my device to get the basic stuff like Exchange support. Also, with CorePlayer I can get more video codec support than is possible with all the thousands of apps on Android.

So, to each his own.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
coreolayer does have very good support for multiple video formats. I have a number of movies on ny 16gb microsd, however to tell the truth I don't utilise this potential too often as coreplayer kills my battery in no time. I'd be happy with divx support on the desire as most of my movies are encoded in this format or h.264. Exchange is also supported, and the browser has full embedded flash support and a lot more in the way of general use 'fun' apps.

I'm not trying to 'sell' the desire to anyone, just saying that for my social networking interests it is a more thorough device.

i also hate the clunky windows mobile email client - and no, even HTC cant replace it with a nicer one. Just goes to show how 'open' windows mobile is really.
[HD2 General] smeddy:
I love HD2, and I love Sense... But I've been away for a week with some iPhone fans and, I got to say, I'm getting app-envy... from Google Earth to Property Finder etc.. I love tweaking my Sense, flashing ROMs etc. but increasingly I realise I'm just tweaking for the sake of it because there's very little good software to fiddle with.

That's not to decry the work of the ROM-makers, or the very good WM software which is out there. I just feel in terms of practical, useful apps, other platforms are winning in quality and quantity.
[HD2 General] chaoscentral:
There we go, fixed for my situation, not so different coming from the other side of the lake.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
And then...

Illogical much, are we?

I'm using my HD2 EXACTLY the way you use your Milestone. Didn't change any ROM. Put a new wallpaper (that's dead easy) and that's it, didn't bother with unreliable user made themes, the HD2's UI with sense is beautiful out of the box and doesn't need it. Same for applications, it took me mere minutes to install what I needed (CoPilot and Coreplayer), many applications (like the great Office Mobile) are already included.

Conclusion... the only culprit for your misadventures with the HD2 is... YOURSELF.

;)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Office mobile and most of the other built in windows mobile apps are of no interest to me. I am more social networking orientated than an office based user. For this reason the HD2 has failed to tick all the boxes for me. HTC have done a valient job adding social networking features to the HD2 but the limitations of windows mobile put a stranglehold on exactly how much they can do. Look how many problems they've had just getting an alternative SMS utility running smoothly on WM6. They're not having this problem with Android, and nor are any other developers doing their own SMS utilities, such as Handcent.

All I ever hear is how open Windows Mobile is, but if it's so open why don't we have more third party media players, SMS and email replacements as Android does? I don't say this to put down Windows Mobile as such as the OS has been good to me though the years, but how does such a long standing platform have such a limited number of Apps available for it? I mean FULL ON, proper, bona fide APPS; not tweaks and mods.

There are very few apps on Windows Mobile to be proud of and that one might be inclined to show off.

Seems the only enviable app we have is Coreplayer, but Corecodec are keenly working on an Android version.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
Install OMarket.

You'll see if there's no application development for Windows Mobile.
[HD2 General] smeddy:
My other killer apps are GRemote (for controlling my media PC), S2P music player, AlReader (ebooks), Google Maps and occasionally TomTom (altho wish I hadn't paid for it - do not use it enough for that). Apart from that I'm out of ones which are useful with a nice interface.

Just to clarify, I am very happy with my HD2. But I think Windows 7 will need to come out of the gates with lots of extensibility for me to go for WM a third time.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
It's all just preference and what your needs are. I've seen these same threads in the Android dev forums here too.

People jump between Android, iPhone, Maemo, Symbian, WM, WP and whatever else it out there all the time.
[HD2 General] niteowl360:
I had the htc HERO for a day, but bought the HD2 for its beautiful screen.

The Sense UI and Android on the HERO have left their awesome impression on me.

If the HD2 offered both options, I would certainly be spending time on the Android forums.

Personally i am hoping WM 7 does not come to the HD2, as this will speed up Android XDA dev on this magnificent piece of hardware.

In closing, surely we are all entitled to our personal opinions which by necessity should be subjective.

Thanks to Co0kie and other talented developers to continuously breathe new life into this wonderful device!
[HD2 General] zelduy:
When WP7s is out I think Android looks promising.. but now.. I'm still in love with WM6.x and the apps..

-Office mobile

-Palringo

-Seven push email (multiple push email account)

-activesync

-Garmin Mobile XT

-HTC Sense

-cookie monster home tab

-and many others..

-Especially when HD2 is out and make this WinMo Mooore beautiful..

Like I said.. Until WP7s killed WinMo I'll stick with this device... then I'll look for Android and hoping it can do what WinMo do
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i will go for desire when it is released (but i will also keep my hd2 as a piece of furnature very good hardware with rubbish software and bad support) ,that is htc wm phones ,just useless pieces of hardware
[HD2 General] vince2773:
ROFLMAO !!!!!

You made my day, pal!:D:D:D:D
[HD2 General] ATT-Half:
I got a nexus one and you know what really sucks about it's limited codec support

I'm thinking strongly to send it back and get tmobile HD2 with windows mobile we got coreplayer and mplayer which means i can grab flv,xvid,mkv,divx, avi videos from the web and enjoy my media.

only good thing i see on android ,the market , the web browser , speech search and of course it's smoothness

coreplayer is about a year away from coming to android and don't think i can wait that long
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Haha, have to agree OP. I am just a bit more familiar with certain win mo programs and I love certain handsets but you are totally right.
[HD2 General] 4tune:
I'm not sure the next step in my life depends on the kind of cellular phone I own. If it does, I guess I've done something totally wrong :o

I'm not familiar with android, but I tend to buy your story. Android is probably the way forward, especially if you take the upcoming WP7 into consideration. But guess what, I'm already 99% happy with my HD2 out off the box. Just 1.66 with a few tweaks does it for me. I've got a 1000+ apps for WM6 on my PC, some free and some freed up :D , and use only a few of them. That's more than enough for daily use.

Next device will probably be android based but not this year.
[HD2 General] lynne02191:
definitely agree with u, I got 1 hd2 only because the phone not windows mobile os, and I can't wait to get rid of this os and switch to another if possible, seriously!
[HD2 General] *Omnipresent*:
Heh, i just bought a Nokia N900 over the weekend and plan on getting the T-mobile HD2 real soon. We are not in the U.S. senate chambers debating national security issues. Buy what you like :cool:
[HD2 General] dawesi:
What I don't get is why you had to start a thread about how bad your ability to select phone for your life is. Talk about self esteem issues. If you are so happy with your new phone, leave, we won't miss you, just as you won't miss me. The beauty of the so called social network world is you can forget someone they day after they leave your network.

We like HD2 and you're better off dribbling your 'I'm so cool with my new phone' in another pond to be honest as we're fans of the HD2 (obviously you're not educated enough to work that out).

My guess is another phone will come out and you'll start whinging about Android.

My other guess is that even though you are sitting in front of your computer, you're more likely to be tweeting on your phone because it makes you feel cooler, rather than using the keyboard in front of you to do the same task in 2.1 seconds you do it in 48 seconds.

What a stupid place to post such a message.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
I tweet and update my status from my phone instead of my comp too ;-;
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
So you bought a phone, knowing what OS it had, not wanting that OS, but bought it anyway and complaining about it?
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Again, we don't care you are leaving. You don't need to justify your decision to leave Windows Mobile behind.
[HD2 General] mallman:
haha i did and hence the reason i am using WM. its a personal preference. If you are less technical you well lean toward android :)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
It's amazing how sulky people get when you say negative things.

I may keep my HD2 for a few months when I get my desire as I might find I was wrong, but my PERSONAL perspective is that I bought the HD2 based on the fact that HTC had integrated so many social networking features and the hardware looked really great. I also thought the Windows Marketplace was a much needed and exciting prospect.

The reality is that on many levels I have been let down by HTC. For one, the screen hardware on my first two HD2s had the jittery and oversensitive screen problem which made life very frustrating, and for two the social networking features were not as thorough or consistent as I expected - for example they put effort into Facebook integration yet couldn't be bothered to make a quality tab and app, whilst on the Twitter side they made an app but it is poor and doesn't integrate well. YouTube too was an enormous letdown, offering nothing but viewing and uploading, and descriptions are often unviewable.

These are just a few of the issues I had which were not down to simply 'choosing an OS I didn't want'; I was perfectly aware of Winmo and quite happy to persevere with it.

I have now gotten used to the failings of the device and often use the excellent browser as a workaround, however I do miss widgets and the fact that with Android I had a whole host of new apps I could try when I was bored.

I do really like the HD2 in its own way but I don't think it's harmful to externalise my concerns about the future of the handset as it DOES play on my mind. Development on the app front was slow anyway and it can only get worse until eventually there is only amateur development, and I prefer the security of having a future proof OS I think
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
no offence....but what does that even mean?

What technical thing does Windows Mobile afford me?

unless by technical you mean that it needs a lot of effort.
[HD2 General] terminal 7:
hmm

hi

gotta say i own android and win-mob devices and i prefer android any day,

i got my hd2 knowing exactly what i was letting myself in for, that being the last win-mob device i ever buy, i do love it but only because HTC spent so long hiding win-mob as best they could.

you only have to look at this forum and how much time is spent porting android to all the win-mob devices, that tells you something about android and everyones feelings about win-mob.

im sure we will soon have a working android port for the hd2 and that will give a new lease of life to a great phone, we just need to let the guys on [DISCUSSION] ANDROID/MAEMO/LINUX on HD2 [DEVELOPERS ONLY THREAD] do what they do and not waste their time by posting crap as some folk seem to.

anyways, as always good fun and be happy ===:)

..
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
Each to their own ultimately.

I got the HD2 as i love Sense, and the specs are awesome.
[HD2 General] fantasytozi:
Have to agree with u. We have one in common is I also spent time with 3 OS.

First I have a Hero. I played every game, installed every apps that I thought to be the best one. Customization in Android is really nice. After playing with all the apps and games, I was quite fed up, and moved to iphone 3gs, another reason was because of hero's occassionally lags.

I was satisfied with 3GS at first. It's easy, simple, smooth. Apps and games are fun, beautiful. It beats android in terms of games, but not of apps, I think. I played and installed a lot. And then, I was fed up again. I didnt want to be dependent on itunes, hated what I have to do to changes the very simple theme and UI on iphone. Apps and games had their limits for my everyday use. And with iphone, I have to be careful if I dont want to lose my jailbreak and unlock.

Then I changed to HD2. Wow, what a screen and what a speed for Winmo devices. I love the way I can change UI. I love to flash roms. Basically, I found myself to be a kind of person want to tweak my phone. I love xda so much that I have to check it every hour. I dont know when I will be fed up with HD2 again. But I think, spent time with all 3 OS that is enough for me now.

@leoni: if u want to choose desire/android for its social networking ability, I think u will find it quite the same on Winmo. Facebook for Android's also not that better than Winmo apps. Twitter on SenseUI is the same. HTC Android devices also has their own problem with SMS as well. Good luck with ur new future phone:)
[HD2 General] brynweb:
HTC Supersonic

I'll be moving to Android on my next phone (HTC Supersonic).

I got the HD2 for the hardware, and I'm happy with it running Windows (for now). I'll be even happier when the 'Supersonic' becomes available this summer (basically an HD2 running Android 2.1 - http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2233&c=htc_a9292_htc_supersonic).

Someone mentioned 'app-envy'. I have it, but iPhone is too ghey for me. Linux ftw .
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
very good choice
[HD2 General] gattaca714:
I imagine that when the SuperSonic comes out the developers on here will be able to copy it over to the HD2.
[HD2 General] Kurni:
Very well said; first post since 2007 ;)

I also played with iPhone 3GS a fair bit and I agree with you that after a while the games don't interest me no more. I keep on using HD2 on the other hand because the screen is a lot nicer to surf - I'm stuck in front of PC at work so I really enjoy surfing without having to sit in front of a computer.

Colour rendering of HD2 is much better than iPhone on angles too.
[HD2 General] berrywr:
I think we all have our own personal preferences; I'm on the fence about buying the HD2. I really, really enjoy my Touch Pro 2 and it's form factor and I agree the Sense UI is stunningly beautiful and I have MaxManila and it blew me away with how much customization I could get away and right there on the home screen counting HTC tabs I have at my finger tips 13 programs, contacts and bookmarks or I could have zero if I opt to hide the tabs and go full screen.

I look forward to the folks here at XDA tearing the HD2 apps down and sharing their goodness with the TP2 community in due time. I had some hands on time with the HD2 and I'm interested to see with HardSPL and a custom ROM what it potentially can do. I'm an old dog, I like using a stylus or the pointed in of a pencil or the end of my finger and fingernail. I had a fit adapting to using the pads of my finger but that's me.

All that said, I don't have 3G out here in the Alabama woods where my family and I live; if I did, I'd bite. My idea of watching a movie on Wi-fi is about as dumb an idea when I have a 15 inch screen and a PC that can do the same damn thing, though Tweeting while watching TV would be easier with a handheld! Do I need the HD2 for that?

For all those Android fanatics...it's the HTC Bravo aka Desire...it's the same form factor as the HD2 and that wonderful touchscreen...waiting for the buzz on that bad boy!
[HD2 General] mystik610:
The apps on the iPhone (apps in general) get old for a while. Most people I know with the iPhone and/or an Android phone stop messing with them after a while...myself included. After a while, people stop caring that I have a light saber on my iPhone, that makes light saber sounds when I waggle it.

Most of the Apps on the iPhone are pointless gimmicks (light saber app), apps that add functions that should be part of the iPhone by default (video camera, instant messenger client, task list etc), or do functions that you could just easily do on the web (pizza hut app, morninstar app, yahoo finance app).

The only real big thing the App store brings is games, if that's your thing. The biggest limitation to using the iPhone as a gaming device is the impact it has on battery life. Playing a game for 15 minutes will easily eat up a quarter of your battery (if not more). If you use it pretty regularly to play games, surf the web, and talk, you'd be lucky if you make it through the day without it dying.
[HD2 General] domineus:
definitely agree

currently using my friends iphone before I send it back to her, I can personally say I was bored with it after 3 days. The facebook iphone application is one of the best I've seen and the integration truly is top notch. But above that, when I have to do something with my iphone, it doesn't. The limitations of the iphone are so much we'd be here all night.

The same goes with android. I love the fact that it keeps me connected on google and the speed of the sms interface in comparison to windows mobile, but again, we go back to balance of work and play. Android does not suit my needs.

Finally, I go to my trusty windows mobile device. On that I can run bbos, android, ubuntu and windows mobile as well as do my work and if I want to pop in a game of zenonia I can. I can't play sf4 on my winmo, but I can play my megaman and final fantasy 7 while still keeping my word my opera/dorothy/skyfire browser open on a database or in general listening to an anime on the go...

Balance of work and play is what I attribute windows mobile to over the other devices. Android becomes a more complete os in my eyes with htc sense which utilizes the work/play balance which is genius and sorely needed on the platform. All in all, it was a tough choice to make to purchase a HD2 but I think I will buy it outright