yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Also Apple got a patent-case running against Nokia, and Nokia one against Apple.

I'm pretty sure that Apple won't involve itself in two patent wars at the same time. Besides, more competition to the iPhone, means less chance Apple get a antitrust-case on their heads.

And Apple's worst fear is to get involved in a antitrust case. They're buried in **** to the neck, and only lives high on the Nokia being the dominant factor on the mobile platform, and Microsoft on the PC OS platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
They're also fighting HTC right now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Oh right, I forgot about that.

But HTC is a small Asian company. Apple can just swing their patent-hammer and HTC will succumb in the end. Microsoft is a totally other business.

What's more interesting, is that Nokia is falling in value, and will possible have to look into being bought up (or a hostile takeover) in the near-future.

Microsoft could go out and buy Nokia, they got the cash. Personally I'd love to see it happen. The rage and tears of the Linux community would be priceless.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ~~Tito~~:
HTC is no small asian company lol. They are pretty huge.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Compared to Apple, Nokia and Microsoft, it's a small company.

And their arsenal of software patents are even smaller.

Hmmm yeah true. I cant wait untill they are though lol.

Also, moving thread to General.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Z80-Man:
More funny events happened in the meanwhile : Apple suing Samsung, their own touchscreen maker, for copying they interface...

Then a TV ad showing the 3GS top screen sliding to shwo running apps... Just like Android has always been doing from the beginning for its task manager. LMAO :D

Now I got some news about latest WP7 Mango.

The guy who informed me was proud to say it now allowed contacts groups, alphabetic tabs in files search, voice command... LMAO apart from being so obvious they were always present under WM, either from Microsoft or third party software, what the hell does it have to do with the system ?

They are just independant apps, not system features. Does it mean that Microsoft now consider users shoud buy a new device just to get some obvious features ?

This topic definitely wears the correct title. :D

But the best is to come, just read that : now with WP7.5, Wi-Fi connections are secure. Wow. If I understand correctly, this sentence means they were not, under WP7.

I don't know if I have to be either frightened, or rolling on floor laughing... :D

And Microsoft wants all your data to be stored on the Cloud... Via a non secure Wi-Fi access, of course. Gosh.

I definitely think Steve Jobs died laughing too loud. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pengod:
The biggest and most important difference between iPhone en WP7 is the fact that it doesn't use iTunes. iTunes is just crap and still runs like it on a Windows PC. It's great to download music on the go on the iPhone itself, but it's a pain to use on the PC.

I've been an iPhone owner since the 3G, 3GS, 4 and now switched over because I was really sick of iTunes.

Another big advantage is the fact that I can watch my downloaded videos on my WP7 device without having to download all different kinds of apps or jailbreak. Works perfectly just with Zune.
[Windows Phone 7 General] comeradealexi:
Why has this thread been brought back to life :S Z80-Man you are confused and an idiot.
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
Yes im sure he did except for the fact you dont even need to get close enough to sniff a wifi connection when you own an iPhone you can just do it creating an app and selling it on there itune app store to give remoe access to your phone away.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/08/apple_excommunicates_charlie_miller/

At least if MS gets told of a vulnrability they fix it and not just tell the finder to get stuffed.

This is an old thread reopened by an idiot I realise that by replying i to am not helping but the damage is already done lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
With ios 5 you can use an iPhone or iPod touch without ever touching a computer. They even have ota updates now. So that's an advantage for apple at this point. Wp is the only platform tethered to a computer. And maybe blackberry.

So you're wrong :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Sir. Haxalot:
AFAIK the only major change to Wi-Fi compability was the possibility to add hidden SSIDs, and if you're calling hidden SSIDs secure you don't really know what you're talking about. Hiding the SSID doesn't really add to the security, it just makes it less obvious that there's a network there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] JustinTV773:
What a troll thread

Sent from my T7575 using Board Express
[Windows Phone 7 General] lumpaywk:
Z80 I hate to say this but to an extent i agree with what you say wp7.5 is going after the iPhone type user. Or should i say the masses of iPhone users that actually got android devices because they dont want to pay the price or dont like the design of the iPhone. This does mean though that anyone waiting for a new windows mobile will have to admit that this isnt a market MS is now interested in as Android is to big a fish to play at its own game.

The fact is simple wm6.5 and before was great for techie folk but worse than dire for normal users. Android is better for both plus its free. However Android is not that great for jo public its only got so big due to lack of other options and the fact it has a buzz created by techies and geeks. These same people also then feel let down quite a lot from android as it is not the right fit for them, its to complex there are to many variations and far to much fragmentation. Some devices even come with 3/4 email clients multiple places even for texts and market places. We think this is great and i do i love android but to people like my mum they are just lost.

Windows phone is going to sweep up this market as soon as it gets the traction i think nokia will give it. Once avarage people start seeing it in real life and become used to it being a real option it will sell like hot cakes.

This does leave some in the cold left thinking of the days when the os was an empty shell they could manipulate at will. But dont be down beat Android wont die and its everything you had in windows mobile and more. So jump on that ship and stop complaining that windows phone does not do what you want when the reason for that is you are not there market. Its like going to a fish bar and being pissed cos they dont sell steak. As for techies and geeks i like to think of the lockdown as an extra challange like a new level in a game lol.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pillsburydoughman:
This thread was made in March 2011. Stop resurrecting troll threads to troll some more
[Windows Phone 7 General] MartyLK:
My only concerns are the limited memory. Beyond that I love WP7 and hope MS continues to keep it locked down. I would hate to see it become the trash that is Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FTC:
...first you are going to "Tango" before you take off with "Apollo"...

There is a lot of truth in what you are saying..... but.... I also used to be one of those "WM hardcore power users" and I was quite sceptical about the "closed" WP7 system. I am using now WP7 for over 1 year and I love it. I got in the meantime 3 updates, allmost all the apps I used with WM 6.5 are by now available for WP7. While I spend hours and days flashing and tweaking my WM device, with WP7 I don't feel the urge to do this any more. I can do with the "limitations" of personalising my homescreen. What is more important for me is that my phone works flawless and does what I want it to do for my job or entertainment. And this is exactly what WP7 is doing... From time to time I switch on my WM 6.5 device and I can't believe how I was able to be satisfied with it's performance and furiously defending it against the "fanboys" of the then competing os's... I agree that it might have been nice for WM6.5 useres if Microsoft would have continued to support this system. But on the other hand, why ride 2 horses? I believe it makes more sense to concentrate on WP7 and try to make it the best possible os in the market....
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dr.8820:
Reading back over some of these comments, I bet a whole bunch of people are feeling like jackasses right now....:D.
[Windows Phone 7 General] pack21:
WP7, Symbian, Meego....are for mens, iOS is for kids and girls.:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] kevm14:
I have a WM6.5 ROM (Energy) on my Sprint Touch Pro now. I've had it for 3 years now. I was certain Android was in my future, as it was modeled after WM (in terms of recreating a computer experience in your pocket). When WP7 was announced, I was mad. "No! I don't want an MS iPhone," I said.

But what I realized, especially after a few years have gone by and life changes occur (career picks up, house, baby on the way, etc.) that what I REALLY want is the simplicity and speed of WP7. I just don't have the time to constantly fiddle with my phone anymore to make it work how it probably should have out of the box. It was fun while it lasted, but I got it out of my system. I'm ready for an OS that "sweat the details" out of the box. iPhone is too small and I have some issues with buying Apple products, I hate to say.

I used to build my own computers religiously but 2 years ago broke down and bought a sweet i7 Dell from their outlet. It was $300 cheaper than building it myself. I did build my own HTPC so I guess I still have SOME time for fiddling, but I digress...

At this stage in my life, I think WP7 will be perfect. With some peer pressure, I may even sign up for Facebook, but, we'll see.

Hopefully ordering a Titan tomorrow...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Z80-Man:
Yes, the Titan looks like an interesting choice : modern and fast processor, wide screen, and the front camera is back at last.

I think too WP7 could be a good replacement in the end : I just think it's not finished yet.

About the tweaking, well, there's also a good deal of personal pleasure to do so... :D

I like my pocket PC to be as perfect as I can, and I've been knowing for a long time that any original system can be enhanced by software.

You know, when I said almost nobody knew about Windows Mobile though it has been present for about 10 years, and that nobody seemed to have made the necessary efforts to promote it, I really think it's true. Look at the diagrams representing each mobile system's market parts : two years ago, Widows mobile only represented about 2%.

But I can't keep any HD2 I'm buying on eBay to test ROMs : everybody around me wants to buy one (with a custom ROM, of course. And CHT 2.0, etc.) so I have to buy other ones again and again. :D

This of course, marketing engineers don't want to hear about, as they try to have you buying a new device several times a year.

Anyway, WM + Sense actually can be tweaked to be near perfect. After all, the hardware is pretty the same between, for instance, an HD2, an HD7 and a Desire HD.

OK, I understand Microsoft can't run two horses. They just should have made things clearer, instead of pretending WM6.5 would still be maintained for professional users, which was nothing but a lie.

Now let's just state a simple fact. Microsoft aims WP7 at "not hard-core" users because their studies show they are the majority of smartphone buyers.

And they're right. Microsoft don't want to make systems that won't sell, and I can understand that.

But I still do think that what can do the most can also do the least, so having more possibilities doesn't mean that users that don't want to see them are forced to see them.

But Microsoft won't do more is nobody actually asks them to do more. They'll just think everybody is happy with what they made, if nobody is standing and yells "hey, Microsoft, we want more, just as good old WM was !"

So this kind of topic has a meaning, we could even say an important mission : telling the wold that, somewhere, potentiel customers would like to be able to do more out of their devices. Just telling we exist !

And that we would be glad if Microsoft would consider listening to them, and add more to their next OSes. Not sacrificing anything that would be best in WP7, just adding more.

Now, towards WP7 users, I would have a question, please :

Can you understand why Microsoft wants to forbid makers to add direct phone buttons ? In some situations, it's much better to have such hardware buttons to reply to a call. And I can't see where it would harm.
[Windows Phone 7 General] z33dev33l:
Modify all you want, winmo will not be as smooth or function as well as WP7, same goes for android. They simply chose quality over quantity. WP7 greatly exceeds winmo. Winmo would have been a great PDA but as a phone it was a joke.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kevm14:
I was running CHT 2.0 on my Touch Pro. I became annoyed at the speed (phone is also overclocked!) so I turned it off to run the stock Titanium which made the phone faster, because it was a memory-intensive interface running on top of the OS.

Eye candy wise, it's inferior, but I am positive that WP7 will fulfill my needs with the live tiles and scrollable app list. There's little reason to change the interface architecture, as I see it.

I realize an HD2 running CHT 2.0 might actually work fairly well, but hardly anything is GPU accelerated and it's still clunky, no real app ecosystem to speak of, and I'd still be far more satisfied with WP7.

As for the physical phone button, I found I needed to go back home before initiating a new call most of the time (pressing it in a text message would try to call the person whose text I was viewing, which I almost never wanted to do). Therefore, it's really about the same amount of steps as WP7.

One thing that's a little more "advanced" is USB tethering, which of course I have on my Touch Pro. I will probably need that back at some point, and I'm not paying $20 more a month for the privilege, when my data will be capped anyway. Then again, IE9 looks very good, and on the 4.7" Titan, I'll be far less likely to want to pull out the laptop if I am away from home.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Z80-Man:
The touch Pro shares the same hardware basis as the HD, and it feels unbelievably slow once you get used to the HD2.

This was a huge step ahead, and most of the existing WP7 or Android phones are still running the same 1 GHz processor (1.5 dual core are just coming, and faster processors are for tablets, until now).

I was definitely NOT talking about WM + CHT on an old 528 Mhz processor.

About graphics acceleration, HTC doesn't provide drivers, but XDA users do, as the hardware is still the same anyway, and has the same capabilities : since the HD7 and the Desire HD are just almost HD2 clones, the argument is pretty irrelevant here.

Anyway, I wasn't talking about any OS being better than another at system level. I don't deny that WM had drawbacks, though most of what could be seen was actually a problem with .NET applications : slow, bulky, ugly and unstable.

When people can produce native Assembly or C programs (not C++ through .NET CF, I'm talkign about direct machine code compilation here), programs run as perfect as you could expect, and look as nice as the hardware allows it to be.

My only concern is elsewhere : it's about FEATURES and user access to add or modify those features.

First of all, there was no MS Office available at the time WP7 went out. Is it available now ? What about Outlook synchronisation ?
[General Questions and Answers] Several Zombies:
As the title says, is it as of yet possible to root an HTC Dream using Rogers' perfected firmware? If not, is there a way to roll back to a previous ROM?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Troy89:
Hi i was wondering how to add the htc muisc and gallery apps to htcclay's fast test 3.02 as i l really like them but am a noob and have no idea. If someone could do it or show me that would be cool thanks.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nolimit78:
I haven't tested gallery but this will give you HTCmusic.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640867

Incase you didn't have it, I included the HTCmusic.apk
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilkorn:
It will only work with the HTC framework, which means an HTC rom.

The only way around it for the music was the modified 1.5 from Stericson(?) or the one from the fender that requires a build.prop change which breaks google voice.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nolimit78:
As long as you use googlevoice 0.2 it should work. I'll include it here.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilkorn:
Good to know, never tried it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nolimit78:
Remember? We went back and forth on this a while ago.. :D

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640867
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilkorn:
Ah ****... you edited your post and didn't reply so it didn't go to the top with a new post, so I never saw it.

::Lowers head in shame.::
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
Taken from the Mini Rom: a RamDisk driver

Attached are a cab which one can install at it's own risk (worked on my custom rom w/o any problems) and a zip, that contains the driver (to be installed in the windows directory) and a registry file.

The RamDisk size is setted default to 8Mb. I turned off the default hidden status so that it can be seen in a file explorer.

Mainly for cooks and users to experiment with.

Here are the (default) registry settings to play with:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\RamDisk\FATFS]
"Flags"=dword:4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RamDisk]
"Dll"="htcramdisk.dll"
"Flags"=dword:00000000
"FriendlyName"="Windows HTC Ramdisk Driver"
"IClass"="{A4E7EDDA-E575-4252-9D6B-4195D48BB865}"
"Order"=dword:00000000
"Prefix"="DSK"
"Profile"="RamDisk"
"Size"=dword:800000	;Default 8MB. MUST be larger than 2MB to reserve space from share memory
"index"=dword:9
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\StorageManager\Profiles\RamDisk]
"Folder"="wramdisk"
"AutoPart"=dword:1
"AutoFormat"=dword:1
"Name"="RAM Disk"
"MountHidden"=dword:0 ; edit: is default setted to 0 on the HD Mini
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\Shell Folders]
"Cache"="\\wramdisk\\IE\\Temporary Internet Files"
"Cookies"="\\wramdisk\\IE\\Cookies"
"History"="\\wramdisk\\IE\\History"

The size of the ramdisk is specified in bytes. The amount of bytes can be calculated here

Some standard sizes:

10Mb 10485760 (dec) A00000 (hex)
15Mb 15728640 (dec) F00000 (hex)
20Mb 20971520 (dec) 1400000 (hex)
30Mb 31457280 (dec) 1E00000 (hex)

There seems to be a upperlimit on the size. As of now I wasn't able to create a ramdisk with a size larger than 30 Mb

(Be careful though with the settings of the size of the ramdisk. If the amount is too large the device doesn't boot up anymore. In that case one has to do a hard reset. Someway the amount specified isn't totally ignored! Although practically it is not possible to get a size greater than 30Mb. Don't know which constraints are limiting the size)

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BTW tested the ramdisk on a 23108 WM build, don't know if it works on other builds (I assume it does)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] theory_87:
For for my noob question. What is this for? HD2 ram size is quite big to begin with. So it doesn't really make sense if it a ram management program.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
Opera Cache on RamDisk

Here is the first possible use of this new RamDisk:

Setting of the Cache directory of Opera to \wramdisk\OperaCache

(one can use the attached cab or do it oneself, see tboy2000s hints and tips thread for instructions)

This speeds up the perfomance of Opera.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
The Ramdisk is "resides" in the program memory which is faster than the storage memory. One can use this ram memory for, for example caching. (see my previous post)

I think that with this RamDisk there is an opportunity to make the newly disclosed 576 Mb program memory finally useful.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pongster:
interesting... so I'd have to set the cache of programs that use a lot of space (HTCAlbum and Facebook for example) to use this RAMDisk? If so, how do we set the options for it... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
I'm looking into this right now. Mainly, I'm interested in moving the musiclibrary index file to the ramdisk. Not for the size but for the speed.

Anyway, good suggestion to use the extra program memory to release some storage memory space.

(EDIT: if you find something useful, please report back in this thread :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pongster:
Amazing find! I don't use the default music player as I prefer S2P... which means we could, in theory, let programs we want to speed up use this RAMDisk by default or through REG entries automated by a Sashimi install:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] monx®:
Thanks appelflap. awaiting this. hope will work with htc shift :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ianl8888:
Variations of RAMdisk were first sighted about 2 years ago in relation to the XPeria1 - my somewhat unreliable memory says it was originally adapted from an old DOS program

There is no doubt it speeds up programs that use caches for reference ... the problem seems to be that most WM programs are "cache un-aware" ?

I wonder if one copied into RAMdisk the entire directory for a program which is originally installed on the card, and then edited the Registry entries to reflect this change of location, would loading and running this program then be noticeably quicker by reading RAMdisk instead of the card ? Like, perhaps, TomTom + map ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
Word of warning:

Watch out for the amount of ramsize one is defining:

accidently I setted the ramdisk to 512 Gb :D and my device didn't boot up anymore. I had to do a hard reset (after first having a heart attack, because I thought I screwed up my memory)

This is a proof that the HD2 definitely hasn't a 512 Gb memory chip :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
LOL, maybe good to take this up in the first post of this topic ;)

Good find anyway!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
Definitely something to experiment with. Thanks for your suggestion.

What can be done with this ram-memory is something that has to be find out with some experiments, I guess. Any knowledge to direct these experiments is highly appreciated.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RoryB:
I used to do something similar to this on a DOS program a long time ago (1985). It did a lot of math and paged data to the "hard" drive where the data was stored. I would create a virtual disk in RAM and copy my data to that location. When I ran the program it would "page" data to the "hard" drive which was actually RAM. A file that took 2 hours would only take 20 minutes.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ShaDrac:
I think suiller includes a RAM disk in his rom and kitchen already for a few years.

You can find a lot of tips and trick over there.

Enjoy! :)

ShaDrac
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
Thanks ShaDrac! Great info source...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] aussiebum:
Meh, HTC fashionably several years late as usual -there's been a ramdisk driver floating around for ages from AMV007 for years - been using it ever since I got an Xperia X1.

Works fine on the HD2 - I use a 6mb ramdisk personally.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=382944&page=1
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Martinhdk:
Just a disclaimer:

DO NOT save mail attachments to storage card when applying this - as I got the STORAGE CARD2 feature - and that sucks... But easy to recover, just uncheck "save attachments to storage card" and soft reset...and everything is back to normal..

But RAMDISK sounds pretty cool - so I will test some more on it:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
This problem is easy resolved by hiding the ramdisk. Just do some settings for the ramdisk (I myself use it this moment for a 10mb opera cache, which really speeds up opera) and hide it via the registry.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] linuxis:
Install, reboot no Ramdisk :(

Miri WM6.5 v 5.2

Where could be problem ?