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[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Developers, expecially those who work in their free time without being paid, generally works on new technologies, not old ones. Consider that the Windows Mobile 6.5 market share is dropping heavily and you have a clear situation on what is the future of the HD2. A full powerful waste of hardware.

No one could have known that Windows Phone 7 would have dropped backward compatibility. Now that we know the new applications are not easily backward portable, this phone can be considered dead. And trust me, I say this with the heart.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Sorry, but I've got to LOL at this!

If it was the middle of 2011 then all these comments may be relevant, but it's not, so they're not. The HD2 will still be one of the best devices available this year, and WM6.5 is still going to be supported for a long time, along-side the completely new OS WP7S. It's basically a new platform, not a replacement!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
not true ,what make a company pay to develope for an old os ,where it could develope for newer os free
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Windows Phone 7 is a replacement, instead. It is so different that the only thing in common with 6.5 is the name.

Oh, and having the "best phone" on a dead OS is not something that excite me, generally. If you're happy, good for you. But personally, after I spent 629€ 4 months ago, I feel screwed. Not happy. I have not bought the HD2 with Windows Phone 7 in mind, of course. But I didn't know the actual OS would be totally incompatible with the previous one.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I didn't realise that Microsoft had announced a date when WM6.5 would stop working. Could you please link that information?

People are bricking themselves over pure guesswork. I for one will keep developing for WM6.5 because that's what I've got! I don't want WP7S and will therefore not get it. This really isn't difficult to understand.
[HD2 General] Volw:
I think you are missing the point.

At the moment, my HD2 does exactly the same things my HD1 did. It's doing them (much) faster, but vast majority of apps are still written with stylus and slower phones in mind.

I think all we want is to have multi-touch apps, hell, have any apps written with HD2 hardware specs in mind. There is barely a few and with the push towards WM7, we most likely won't get any more.

We have a phone that is capable of delivering 2010 content, stuck with apps from 2003.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
The date is today. Microsoft has released Silverlight 4 beta for Symbian, while there will be no release for Windows Mobile 6.5, only for Windows Phone 7. Adobe has already stated that it dropped old Windows Mobile support, so no hardware accelerated Flash on the HD2. Skype has already dropped the Windows Mobile version. Hell, all new technologies won't be ported to Windows Mobile 6.5

If you don't realize this, just open the eyes: a Microsoft product for Symbian and not for Windows Mobile 6.5 what does it mean? I tell you: it means the producer itself doesn't support the old OS anymore. How can you expect others will support it? Be serious.

Exactly. This is the REAL situation. All the others are dreaming about a better future (that won't exist).
[HD2 General] mystik610:
They'll support it WM6.5 the way they support windows XP. Incremental performance and security improvements (if that), but nothing ground breaking.

The biggest issue isn't whether or not microsoft will support WM6.5, but whether or not third party developers will support it. Take Adobe for instance, who has shifted away from bringing flash to WM6.5, and are focusing entirely on bringing it to WP7. I'm not a fan of the closed system or the tacky layout either, but given that these devices are becoming more like PC's, I'd like to have a device that has the potential to improve.

The windows mobile platform has been slowly 'dying' for years now. The updates they've made to it in recent years patched up a grossly outdated OS, but no matter how much windows mobile was dressed up, its age still shows. The release of windows phone 7 series marks the eventually death of the OS. By todays standards the software in the HD2 is great, but in terms of the future, where mobile phones seem to be really bridging the gap between PC's, things don't look positive.

You're right its not THAT big of a deal now, but when WP7 finally hits the market it will be. I'd rather not be tempted to buy another device in less than a year...especially when the re-sale value of these things will plummet...hell they've probably plummetted significantly in the past 24 hours.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I AM being serious. Look at your phone - it's still working and will continue to do so for a long, long, long time. People are talking as if we may as well throw them in the bin and that is just plain stupid. For one, WP7S will not be out for a long time, and secondly, a LOT of people will stay with WM6.5 because they prefer it. That means that people will continue to develop for it. Who gives a toss if MS don't make WM6.6? I don't, as MS updates rarely amount to anything.

This just sounds like people are being scare-mongered by a bunch of Apple fanboys who want to make out that WM6.5 is dead. (I'm not saying that that is what's happening. I'm just stating the

fact

that it sounds like that.)
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
Issue here is that WP7S just looks wank - I actually prefer the iPhone layout to it and I'm not an Apple fan in the slightest!!

The iPhone is so successful because it works - you don't have to tweak it, it just does what its supposed to. The App Store also works. Microsoft missed the boat with WM6.5 and playing catchup won't work either...they should pull out of the mobile OS game and make software for mobile devices (e.g. Mobile Office, etc). Take a leaf out of Sega's book and step away from a market you can't win
[HD2 General] fallenmonk:
I do not know if it has been brought up but hd2 owners will not Be able to upgrade to win7. I bought my hd2 yesterday and found out today that nobody will be able to upgrade from 6.5 to win7 due to different operating system . Microsoft announced today .
[HD2 General] Uvaavu:
Pfft thread full of pointless doom and gloom.

I bought my HD2 to use now, not when WP7 is released. It works now, does the things I want to do on it well, and after some tweaking I'm very happy with the UI (far happier than my ipod owning friends are).

Sounds like some of you are bitter you bought *the best WM6.5 phone there is*.... no on promised you WP7 on HD2. It's your bag if you were expecting it. Go use your phone now and stop worrying about what will be out in 18 months time when it comes to upgrade time again.

And I remain unconvinced that someone won't find a way to port a version of WP7 to the HD2 after it's been out a while anyway.
[HD2 General] lonelykatana:
Pointless thread....

Im feel a need to say no ****. But just because microshaft said it, doesnt mean its true.

We all know what m/s said here. We've all heard the *****ing from the little kiddies briking them selves about it.

+1 to that.

WP7S looks so rubbish, it looks like it will take me hours to get to the menue to send a freaking text.

Im sick of this descussion, its pointless.

We own the best phone on the market. Saying its almost lost its life is a joke.

After a year or two, all phones are dead. Nothing new is happening here.

Forgive my anger at this.

And the lazy typing :)
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
I'm using it now, still I can't see Bing on Silverlight. I'm using it NOW without any multitouch application while the device supports it. I'm using it now at 65K colors while the device has a 16 million colors screen. And NOW I know I can't see Flash web pages as others will do with phones much older than mine.

One buy something knowing it will be improved over time, with new tecnologies. New techologies that won't exist on a 4 month old device.

Excuse me if I'm a little bit disappointed using it NOW with 4 years old applications. I don't think you would buy a software knowing no new versions will be released. I'm not asking future technology support. I'm asking for present technology. Flash 10.1 is present, Silverlight is present.

We won't see any new games based on the hardware the HD2 NOW have because the games that will support this hardware will be WP7S only. All we have NOW is an elektopia demo, that it has never been released, among other things. This phone supports programmable shaders. You won't receive any game based on these techologies. Because games will be programmed using XNA, Silverlight 4.0 and .NET 4.0

NOW you have an obsolete phone. Yes, I'm evaluating it NOW, while you're happy using it with things of the past, stylus applications on a multitouch device and games that can run on an HD1 unmodified, without using the underlying hardware. If you're happy, good for you. This doesn't mean the actual situation is fantastic.

I agree WP7 looks rubbish, but I'm speaking about the lack of support for new technologies, not the mere WP7S upgrade. If they will port Flash on WM6.5, Silverlight and other technologies I would say you're right. But this means that no new technologies will be ported to the actual devices, hence the phone is constrained to its dead OS and lack of future technology upgrades. Oh, and an unofficial pseudo-working version of WP7S on the HD2 doesn't make the device magically supported. Those are things for time wasters. "Support" has another meaning. I certainly not buy a 70$ GPS navigation software for WP7S to install on an unofficially released leaked version that probably won't work with this phone.
[HD2 General] mmmalas:
my thoughts exactly
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
I understand both sides.

BUT

We have to face the news, that developers are leaving, and Microsoft is shifting focus. They are going to someday discontinue support and stop releasing updates sooner or later, just not now.

WP7 is a great consumer OS but IMO, I don't think they will drop the whole WM system, because lots of other applications are used for it, like office and business settings.

We shouldn't just abandon this, its a stupid idea to think that a new is means you have to drop the whole thing and go to the new shiny object. NO, thats retarded. . .really. . .We cant change anything by being a whiny ass. You paied for a WM device, not a WP7 device, if they where going to release WP7 for this they would have said ahead of time. You fell for the hype and you followed it into a wall. I love WM, because of the community behind it. The HD2 has an amazing community, and if you don't see that then you sir/madame are blind. Sure we wont have flash or multi touch apps*cringes*, but we will have support, from us.
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
I personally find the UI of WP7S very crappy compared to Sense on my HD2. Here is what would be perfect for me: a hybrid cooked ROM (6.5 and 7) which is capable of running new apps, if that's not possible, an API package like .NET framework package which again gives the chance of 6.5 running 7 apps. I really don't want the new OS, just the new apps. Hope we may get this somehow :(
[HD2 General] Earthbrain:
Reading this make me sad. I am planning on getting the HD2 in a few weeks from T-Mobile USA. I am currently using the original HD and I want to upgrade to the HD2 because of the larger screen, faster speed, and I would finally be able to use 3G internet (the original HD does not do 3G internet from T-mobile USA).

I am in such a big dilema right now.

Maybe there will be news on some better phone that is WP7 compatible in a week or two before the HD2 is released so that I can jump ship and endure the wait.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I wouldn't be interested in WP7s for another 12 months. That's probably when it'll be (more) stable and have a good selection of apps.

Maybe they'll have an app that can handle any video/audio codec format. This is something that Android doesn't have yet.
[HD2 General] djingonthenet:
I bought my HD2 just ove a month ago and I really am not happy :mad: Here's a list of reasons why

1. I wanted a phone that could make calls to other people either by a dialed number or from a list of stored contacts - does it? YES

2. I wanted a phone that could send and receive sms text messages - does it? YES

3. I wanted a phone that could send and recieve emails, take photos and videos then seemlessly upload them to facebook and youtube - does it? YES

4. I wanted a phone that I could browse the web pretty much to the same degree that I can on my laptop or desktop - does it? YES

5. I wanted a phone that had roughly the same number of useful apps as the iPhone (about 10 at last count) - has it? YES

6. I wanted a phone that I could watch videos and listen to music in pretty much any format that I wanted, then catch up on BBC iPlayer whenever I felt like it - can it? ermm YES

7. I wanted a phone that I could develop software for it using VB.NET - does it allow this? YES

So it does all the things I bought it for, but I'm really pissed off because it won't run an operating system that doesn't actually exist yet, so what? My car doesn't have a perpetual motion engine yet, but am not going to throw a wobbly. In a years time when the world is such a nicer place and win7 is on the NEXT generation phones I'll be in tears because my phone will still do everything I bought for, errr hold on no I won't because it does everything that I wanted in the first place - oh :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] alphawuschel:
it was hard to look around for a good smartphone, wich is good for the future..

Then i had found my HD2 and i think yeah, this is a good smartphone for the next years!! All i need to be up to date for the next months, it has..

I had think okay the Marketplace will grown up, because microsoft had said it!!

Sorry but i cant understand HTC and Microsoft NOW!!

If there is no backup any more, it´s my last device with Microsoft and HTC!!

The reason is not wp7 the reason is the backup for 6.5!!
[HD2 General] aceo07:
You weren't part of the secret meeting, WP7s gives you any sexual act you want. :D That's why some people are willing to toss their phones before it even comes out and so desperate to have it. Does it make sense now? ;)
[HD2 General] djingonthenet:
That's what I have a wife for :D
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
Perhaps you are the joke. You have anything good to say? If you don't like it - go to another thread. Sheesh.

Oh wait - APPLE is a JOKE as well.

They have Multitasking - they have already said it. It will be up to them to allow for it. Called Quality Control. Have you seen some of the crap WM 6.x apps out there?

Move on would ya. You are sounding like a broken record.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Does it makes things the hardware has been engineered for? NO.

Does it supports OpenGL ES 2.0 games with programmable shaders? NO. You have just 1 demo and 2 bunch of others extracted from other phones.

Does it supports multitouch applications? NO. Multitouch applications will be WP7S only.

Does it supports the number of colors your screen actually have? NO. More colors will be supported on WP7S only.

Does it supports rendering actual web pages with nowadays technologies? NO, because Flash and Silverlight will be supported on WPS7 only.

You're practically happy doing things you could have done with your previous phone.

You guys don't understand we're speaking of present things, not "future" technologies. The problem is we can't use ACTUAL hardware because this hardware is supported on future technologies only. I certainly not buy a car hoping for a perpetual engine, but I expect my car uses the things I have paid for. You're practically saying you're happy with your Ferrari to use it at 30kmph. Good. I'm happy to hear the world is populated with such simple creatures, but we're not all that simple. I'm not happy to use a 2010 phone constrained to 2007 technologies (WM6.5 is essentially WM6).

They are asking americans to buy a phone that won't support anything of this from now to six months. I'm guessing who will purchase an HD2 now with T-Mobile.
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
Buy the phone outright and go month to month with T-Mobile. When you are done with the HTC and keep it in good shape sell it. Then do your upgrade then. 2 year contract is $199.00 and Buy out is $449.00 Spend the difference now and make some of it up later with the sale. Upgrade your new phone if you are on AT&T or T-mobile since you are still a new customer technically to T-Mobile if they release a WP7 phone that you want. Or if you are with AT&T then you can upgrade by that time. If you are on Verizon well..you have some options with Droid. Verizon is very slow at upgrades and updates to their phones..

You have to remember that there are people who would buy it for the AT&T market with Edge. It's cheaper than the T8585 that is EDGE only as well.

There will be a market for this phone. As the developers and chefs on here make these phones more enjoyable it will remain that way for some time.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
Doesn't matter what limitations you're talking about. WP7s won't be out until the 'future' anyways.
[HD2 General] warnold007:
We have a very powerful device and I know most of us are really enjoying it. :D

The sad part is we probably can't expect to see newer programs that maximizes the capability of our HD2 to its fullest potential. Why? It's as Ballmer put it, DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS DEVELOPERS! Basically, Microsoft is showing developers a lot of incentive on developing for the newer platform.

So if I'm a developer, why would I create stuff for a shrinking market anyway? I would rather get busy preparing my silverlight and xna skills in time for my apps to be released when WP7S goes out.

Also, OEMs are probably not going to manufacture as much 6.5 or 6.5.x phones which are as capable as the HD2 anymore and just prepare for WP7S phones. This again translates to lesser interest for devs to create rich programs that maximizes these types of multi-touch, snapdragon-based hardware.

Will we see more programs utilizing the multi-touch like Resco Photo? Will Electopia full version ever be released?

We saw in a video before Adobe Flash 10.1 on an HD2 presented by that Adobe guy, will we ever see that released? It's a simple question of would they bother giving it to the 'few' of us...

Still, I love my phone, but it would be best to see more programs showcasing it's full capability. :D
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
This is the real point. The problem is there are some people who don't understand even simple things. Seems like there are people who buy an HD2 for using it as a 2005 phone. And they're happy. Wow.
[HD2 General] djingonthenet:
You're right, but I didn't buy the phone for those reasons, it was just as cheap as the rest of the phones on the market except the iphone (and i'd rather use two plastic cups and a piece of string than use one of those) and it had higher specs, I'm happy and still will be when the next big thing arrives
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Yeah, while you have no present because of this. Funny, uh?

The funniest part is Microsoft is releasing Silverlight 4 beta for actual Symbian versions, while they're leaving current WM users in the dark.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I'll be happy enough to have the HD2 in my hand. That is my immediate future for phone purchase.

I'm not an app-aholic or gamer so I don't really care about what is the latest. I just need what works for what I want to do. The HD2, in it's present form, seem like it'll be able to handle that just fine.

WP7s won't be out until the end of the year and I don't intend to wait.
[HD2 General] warnold007:
mjordan79, I like your analogy on like "Having a Ferrari and driving it at only 30kph." The HD2 can go head-to-head versus any android phone or the iphone hardware-wise. We might argue having a better car than the other guys, but unfortunately, grandma is the one driving.

I actually have foreseen that this might happen when I was about to get the device a few months ago, so I don't feel too bad coz I expected most app developers will be withdrawing full support for the WM6.5 platform now that WP7S is coming out.

We can't really put the blame on HTC for putting out a wonderful device with no future (or no present, or whatever) (it's their business to create phones anyway!) or blame Microsoft for coming up with a new redesigned user experience for Windows phones (i'm liking what i'm seeing so far, but i want it hacked and 'jailbroken' if i may use that term, which i know won't take long with xda-devs around :D).

So I hate to say it, coz we are kind of agreeing on the topic here, but if you or anyone is feeling bad about their HD2, and you are really looking for a specific experience that the HD2 can't give you right now and probably until WP7S is out and maybe hacked and ported, you might want to shift over the dark-side for a while. Either jump ship to android or get a jailbroken iphone. No offense meant to anyone. ;)
[HD2 General] ditg:
That reminded me of th eguy on this forum who spent days and days if not weeks annoying everyone on the slow performance issue of his calender todo list......... sorry? i think its a miracle to find even 10 minutes to post a comment with such an agenda........ being happy is a choice....
[HD2 General] Cret:
Couldn't have said it better myself. A dead phone or OS is one that doesn't work so straight off that's nonsense.

My HD2 has bucketloads of brilliant apps and tweaks - some paid for, others free and it pretty much does everything useful that a phone could do, and does it really well. It does it really quickly too.

So I don't care if MS stopped supporting 6.5 today because tomorrow my phone will still do all the things it does today. In a year it will also do all the things it does today. That's dead is it?

As for not utilising all its power - I don't know the technicalities of to what extent that's true but basically I say that's a good thing. It does everything I can think of and does it well (except games maybe but personally I'm not bothered about those), and the reason it does this stuff fast and with ease is because it has plenty of headroom. If you take that away by pushing stuff right to the limit then you're more likely to get bugs nd failures and things just not playing ball because you're maxxing the system out.

Might be fine in a perfect world to have stuff that's bleeding edge but back in reality you need some margin for error and unexpected resource use etc.

Best phone on the market when I bought it, and it still is now.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
kind of people who love to waste their money on useless things buing any thing exept iphone and devices is waste of money
[HD2 General] trooperbill:
that sucks and is wrong, i had my 1st gen iphone for almost 3 years and had loads of software updates for it. when you're tied to a 2 year contract i expect the phone to be as good in 2 years plus a few scratches.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
The updates software updates sent to the iPhone were incremental updates, not complete overhauls. The biggest addition they added was the App store, and that was in response to people already hacking the crap outof the iPhone and installing third party apps on their own.

WP7 is a totally new operating system written from the ground up, and it needs the proper hardware to run it properly. WP7 is only as good as the hardware that runs it after all. Attempting to build a new OS, while catering to the lesser hardware specs of older phones would have ultimately dampened how far they could have pushed WP7. Microsoft was generous in their policy of supporting older windows mobile devices with each build of Windows Mobile. The downside is that they did very little to advance Windows Mobile and their market share plummetted as a result.

I, like you, have been relatively happy with the iPhone for the past couple of years, but the limitations of the iPhone are really starting to stand out now more than ever. Eventually the Apple will have to revamp mobile OSX to stay competetive too, and they will inevitibly need to build a new OS that outgrows the older generation iPhones.