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[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
Now that the HD2 is for a fact now coming to T-Mobile, and the Nexus One looms over head. What should I pick?

I love Android and WM. No doubt about it. I've been in both areas of rom development. I just cant decide. Since I can only get both on subsidy, 200 vs 180 isn't that big of a deal. I am not at all a new comer to this, and I just want to know from both perspectives. Since which ever I pick I will be happy.

My Needs:

- Battery that will last all the way to the night.

- Support(Both have them I know, I used to run a rom list for the HD2)

- Style (Both are sexy)

- Speed (Both are 1ghz)

- Ram, and efficient use of it

- Applications (I did not want to use the godawful word "apps")

- The feel in your hands

- Age

- Browser (I already know how awesome WM opera is) I have a large distaste for server side rendering since its cheating.

- Practicality of functions (like how well does a certain thing work, like the camera and speaker and call quality etc. .)

- Room for improvement (rom side)

They aren't exactly my needs but its a guideline that can help. Just provide your incite.
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
Anyone? I could use some incite :p.
[General Topics] chizzwhizz:
here you go

htc stated the nexus one isnt made to be put in pockets...ppl have been complaining about cracked screens and so forth. if u plan on having ur phone in your pocket then get the hd2.

multitouch on the hd2 is much better than the nexus...has something to do with the nexus one screen

in terms of rom development i believe that windows mobile will yield the most in potential.

But be wary...if you are wanting the windows 7 upgrade for your hd2, hold off until microsoft says whether it will be possible. I know this is a deal breaker for some people
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
Hmmm, I forgot to list, hows the pocketability of the device?
[General Topics] chizzwhizz:
pocketability? whats that lol?
[General Topics] BigJayDogg3:
I've no personal experience, but from everything I've seen and read, if you can carry an iPhone, you can carry this. While the HD2 is bigger, the size difference isn't drastically different between the two.
[General Topics] Cero92:
I think "how easy is to put it in your pocket" :)
[General Topics] orb3000:
I would go for Leo because WM

I am not Andoird fan...
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
Lol, whats up with WM users and android? :p
[General Topics] orb3000:
Nothing really, nothing personal:D

I just think that WM is more solid OS for business environment, Android is too young now...

Perhaps in the future I can consider it but now now
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
I get you. Have you had any experience with this phone?

Also, what improvements has xda brought us?
[General Topics] iVisionX01:
I'm pretty sure that HTC meant that you shouldn't put the phone in your BACK pocket. I have my phone in my front pockets all the time. Also the phone slides into your front pockets real easy like.
[General Topics] seed_al:
It's really Android vs. WM.

I personally would choose Android. You want many/good applications - Android has them. On WM, you find an application for pretty much everything you want, but the quality of the applications is just MUCH better on Android.

And moreover, nobody is going to develop anymore for WM6.5 when WP7S is out. The Android Market is growing fast - WM's Marketplace is even shrinking and also outside of it, there's not much going to happen.

"Pocketability": Both are good (very thin, the Nexus is a bit lighter though, but 1mm thicker)

So that's my answer: If you don't need that huge 4.3" screen or dual LED flash, or a certain feature that only WM provides - get the Nexus One (or better: The HTC Desire).
[General Topics] Cheeze[iT]:
I've had both and I am currently waiting for the HD2 to come out. I like the Nexus, but the response of the touch screen is a pain sometimes. I also like the hardware buttons on the HD2. Meaning, if I need to make a call, just hit the call button.

I love how the Nexus IS the google phone, so google integration is smooth. It does all the google maps/sync/voice etc nicely. The android market is nice, but the applications there aren't that great. The only thing I have downloaded that wasn't a widget and really use is slacker radio.
[General Topics] seed_al:
Then you'll be very disappointed with the HD2, I'm afraid... except if you're into things like PSX Emulators etc., those are really great on WM.
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
I am into Emulators and such lol. I have a source for WM applications just as I can get a source for android applications. I could care less as long as I have a good mobile experience. Applications are cool, but some I don't use. Most of the apps im gonna get are like Google Maps, and maybe the market MySpace app(Android or WM).

I am very familiar with the Nexus One's development and its reminiscent of the G1. What has kind of made me split my decision and leave me here is the fact that all these little problems are cropping up with the Nexus, like the touch screen and the Dust, and just all the other little things.

I just need an argument from both sides to help me decide better. Right now I'm in the middle, purgatory.
[General Topics] mlin:
I would go for the HD2. While I like both OSes, WM is still my preference. That being said, with Android being open source and WM not, it will only be a matter of time before Android is fully up and running on the HD2, the best of both worlds. There isn't a lot of WM porting going on these days, and I'm not sure if its legal, so with the Nexus one you are stuck with Android, whereas with the HD2 you will likely have a choice.
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
I read the thread about the android for it, it seems they are stuck.
[General Topics] seed_al:
Well, I say Nexus One, or HTC Desire, unless there's something you need that it can't do.

The quality of the applications on Android is really much better, but there are some things on WM that you don't get on Android, and you should check that before you make your decision.

(and of course, there are also things on Android that you don't get one WM)

Look at the things you're doing and search whether all of that is possible on Android/WM. Then decide.

The problems with the Nexus One? They're the same on the HD2. The touchscreen has the same issues, but nobody cares, cause there's no multitouch applications on WM anyways.
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
Everything I want I can do on both devices. So thats the reason I am stuck between the two. I wanted the HD2 before the Nexus One came out, but the price was really high. Then the Nexus came out and I was eying it as well. Now that both devices are available to me at reasonable prices I am stuck.
[General Questions and Answers] madbotte:
Hi, i've a little problem with my gsmart ms800:

two days ago i flashed my ms800 with the official ITA rom to solve some problems with mms and internet connection.. well, from the moment i flashed, my phone turn off every time it reach the 40% of battery charge (from 100% to 40% all is OK)..

It was quite difficult to flash my phone (i tried 3 roms downloaded from different places, and for two times the flashing was failed) so i prefer not to flash another time.

I think it's not a battery problem because the phone turn off in the regular way with the exiting animation, so it seems to be the OS who make it turn off.

I've read some time ago about changing the registry settings of battery level but really i dont remember which are registry entries and values and i've losen much time searching in internet today, can you help me?

Thank you for any suggestion.
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] bonesy:
Im always using terminal emulator to mount the /system partition but got fed up of typing it in all the time so.....

Using terminal emulator by Jack Palkevich

MENU>PREFERENCES>INITIAL COMMAND>

Change it to su && mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock4 /system

Voila now the system partition is mounted whenever you enter terminal emulator!

Hopefully someone else will find this as useful as i have.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] marijanstanisic:
Hi, is there a cab for Touch HD to asign different background for each individual screen?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ASK768:
If you mean for each individual tab for manila, then i dont think so. one thing that you can get is a panoramic background. its floating around these forums somewhere.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] tedkopp:
Try to look here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=475131

and here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=477887

Good luck.
[HTC Excalibur] Ray_jai:
Hi,

is it possible to have the WM5 word suggestions?

Not Xt9, u guys know what I'm talking about?

thanks!
[TG01 General] Nikwalter:
Have the opportunity to share my htc touch pro 2 with a toshiba tg01.

I have heard the battery performance is poor, and is the most important thing is a long music playback..

So, how long can the toshiba?
[TG01 General] (InsertNameHere):
2 days if very light use, 1 day or less if your making a lot of calls and using wireless etc, there are 3rd party batteries by Mugen that can extend battery life massively

Should you buy a TG01? As a owner of a Tg01, and having just paid to get it unlocked, i think you are better off looking elsewhere, this is because Toshiba offer terrible customer support, zero useful software updates for their products, zero fixes for known issues, terrible battery life, and the fact there are better, albeit more expensive options, like say, the HTC HD2
[TG01 General] Loconinja:
As a TP2 and TG01 owner I tend to agree.

The TG01 has a beautiful screen and is super-fast, but it has too many flaws to recommend. Poor battery life and terrible in-call quality being the main ones.
[TG01 General] souljaboy:
for battery life , i expected much worse tbh ... my tg01 holds out only about 10-20% less than my xperia x1* i had despite the double screen and cpu witch really gets stuff done faster so u can put da fone to rest earlier

(*x1 has 1500mah battery , also got a 1800mah cuz it wasnt enuff)

but would i recommend it generally , no i wouldnt , and i wouldnt recommend any winmo phones to anyone unless they already had one in the past and know what kind of bug fest theyre looking into
[TG01 General] SteveYorks:
Well said :):)
[TG01 General] bojan6:
Agree no more Toshiba..

:)

Try anything else without TG01: you have Iphone, Htc and a lot of support for them.
[TG01 General] DunkDream:
But let us not forget the price peoples!

It seems that I'm the only person that would recommend buying the TG01.

In my opinion, you get a good phone for the money you pay (should be around 200 till 250 Euro max.).

You get a phone with a big screen and a good touchscreen (yes I think it's sensitive enough). You get Wi-Fi and GPS.

What more do you want to a price that is that low at the moment?

And if cedesmith suceeds with the project TG01 going to WM6.5.3 then the TG01 will even have less bugs.

In my opinion it's worth a try.

Maybe the battery is a little bit to weak, but for me that's not a problem. The battery remains two days for me...again...enough for me :)

I only hope, that our TG01 community gets bigger. The phone is worth it.

If you get a good offer, you should buy it I think.

Best regards,

DunkDream
[TG01 General] kevinpwhite:
Personally, I would highly recommend the TG01 for the use you appear to be wanting. It has excellent audio performance and with a Mugen 1.1 AH battery will happily last a full day commuting including maybe 3-4 hours use as a music player.

There is a discussion on MoDaCo about the audio side of things here which may be of interest.
[TG01 General] Pere:
After 9 months with it, this device exceeds my expectations. I'm a smartphone user since 2005, (My first one was a primitive Palm Treo 270 and some Windows devices after it) and this is the best device never tested. But you must understand that a Windows device is not easy to manage.(and they never will be if Mr. Gates boys doesn't change it....)

It's true that the TG01 hasstill some unsolved problems, as most of new devices in their first age. It's also true that Toshiba is absolutelly useless in giving support to the TG01

Pros:

-Thickness

-Great screen

-Best device for the money that you pay

-The best Video player never seen . You can play mostly everything on it and with the best benchmark values in the market.

-Great Sound Quality. With SRS Wow it's a dream.

-Host USB!!!!!! You can use USB keyboards, game pads, mouse, bar code, hdu, pen drive, .... Remind: HTC can't do it!!

Cons:

(Design)

-Too small battery

-No separated headphones connector

-You can't charge it and connect USB at the same time

-Stupid SD position. You must disconnect the battery to change it

-No TV Out :(

(Software)

-Call quality (sometimes)

-Sometimes freezes a bit (as other WM devices)

-Stupid Toshiba's limitations when talking, when battery it's under 20%...

-Still no software for movement sensor

I think that if you have a good opportunity, you must take advantage of it. And if at the end you don't like it, you can always sell it on Ebay for instance.

I wonder if these lines will be useful for you . Tell us about your last decision!

Cheers
[TG01 General] hoss_n2:
wait for tgo2 ot ko1
[TG01 General] Nikwalter:
Hey thanx.. I get the message that the xperia x10 is aviable in 2 weeks..
[TG01 General] Makkand:
TG01 or TP2

Talking from Experience, TP2 is the better phone, my cousin owns the TP2 which I have played around with a lot and I own a TG01.

TP2 is an all in one complete solution.

TG01 is very nice, but HTC Touch Sense Pro is just too good. And unless you know much about Manila, I wouldn't look at a TG01.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic General] koka09:
hey i want to know

if the viva have access to wifi and i want to connect this internet access to pc that is not supported by wifi to internet access can?

when i connect it to the pc there is only web and wap and mms .....there is no wifi as samsung to to be able to use this wifi on the pc

?????

thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Dimitri Stephan:
Hello people, after having used my Touch pro 2's GPS function extensively one day on battery, I have realized that the battery's life has shortened by huge amounts of time. It lasts for less than 24 hours now, so I was wondering if I needed a new battery or is there something I can do to restore it back to the previous state. Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mhurg:
I don't think using the GPS should ruin your battery, just doesn't make sense! Are you sure you shut off the GPS after using it? Are you running any other programmes in the background? Did you flash a new ROM?

My battery started going down twice as fast after swapping to the new "official" Sense 2.5 ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tmanner:
you can try a couple of things that may extend your battery life. try first turning off the auto speakerphone when the phone is face down. i just did this and i can tell a marked difference in just a couple of days. also search battery life reg edits. theres a ton out there here and on ppcgeeks that will definetly help. in general i noticed that when I use GPS the battery drain is pretty high. hope that helps
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Using the GPS all day will def drain your battery much faster, especially if you're using aGPS and/or an app that also downloads data to compliment the location info (like google maps). The GPS radio isn't 2-way like the phone or 3G or wifi, but it's still a radio and will give a noticible hit on your batt life when used even moderately, let alone all day.

If you're going to be using GPS a lot, you might want to try different radio roms to see if any of them make a difference in the batt life for you, but I don't know that will make as much of a difference as it does for the phone reception, etc. I would also suggest evaluating various GPS apps, with an eye on relative battery drain ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Dimitri Stephan:
Well guys, thanks for the answers, but that still doesn't solve my problem because I don't use the GPS function often at all, but the battery still drains quickly. Also, there are no programs running in the background. There is however a data connection that is always on and the mail checks for mail every hour. But the thing is I don't want to change any settings to enhance battery life, If it worked fine with the same settings before, why wont it do the same now? Do I need a new battery? Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Ahhh sorry, I misunderstood, I thought you were just saying it drains faster while you use the GPS like that, not since you used it...I get it now.

That one day of heavy use shouldn't have killed your battery, take a look at THIS thread, others with the same issue/question have posted different things that have worked for them...you might want to give the steps in post #31 a try before thinking about buying a new batt.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonto:
You can install " battclock " and you can continuously see what the battery drain actually is during different functions.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Yes, great recommendation! (why didn't I think of that? lol)

And with battclock you can now see your CPU usage in real-time, which is probably one of the best coincidental indicators of battery drain (much more so than memory load, in my opinion)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] hilt49:
Hi Dimitri,

I experienced the same problem where my battery life suddenly "shifted" from 48 hours to 12 hours on regular use..

I thought the problem was the battery and I replaced it, this did not help at all..

The only cause of this problem that I can think was loading the official HTC UK 6.5 ROM (1.86.401.0)..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
This is exactly what I am experiencing. (This together with not being able to connect the device to PC)

Installed several 6.5 ROMs and suddenly the battery lasts only half a night.

My question is: When the battery is full, when you turn the device off (completely off, not in standby mode!) does the battery drain then?

As far as I see, the battery has only 50% left after a night rest while it is off. So, the only way to keep the battery full is to remove it from the device.

What are your experiences with this?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] worwig:
If you are truely turning it completely off, the battery should NOT drain at all. Have you tried a new battery? I bought a pair of batteries and an external charger on flEabay for like $12. The batteries are good as originals as far as I can tell.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
Yes, I have two batteries, even an external charger.

Even when a battery is charged with the external charger, then put in the phone it drains the battery:eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mtorre5:
hey guys can anyone link any of the forum topics to tweak battery life? the only things I have done is the general setting on the phone and the power management options with advance config are there more options and tweaks available?

thanks for all help!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
I will test this (again) tomorrow night.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] virtualhomer:
Bright light...I'm also having BOTH of those problems...stock ATT rom. Within the past week my battery life has dropped exponentially, and when I went to sync last night, had not done so in a week or so, I get nothing...none of my PC's will recognize the phone as even being plugged in, let alone sync. I'm thinking maybe an ATT botched update?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
So it seems I'm not alone.

Mine is a universal one, no brand whatsoever. I will try to reflash the original (6.1) stock ROM, including radio.

Have you flashed yours already?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Fingaluna:
@Bright.light @VirtualHomer:

I have the crap battery + no activesync issue.

I'm on the Josh's Black 1.7 ROM. I tried hard reseting, reflashing, going back to the stock ROM, but no improvement.

I have heard that removing the battery overnight is a possible fix for the USB issue (maybe for both?), but I haven't tried yet, will try tonight.

If anyone out there has any potential soultions here... would be great. Right now, I only get 1/2 a day (~6 hours) out of the battery & no hotsync at all (other than BT).

One thing I am pretty sure of: The bad battery life and the activesync issue came up around the same time. Wierd.

Cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
You are right in assuming that battery life and connectivity issues came at the same time.

I was assuming this was because of a (bad?) flash, or maybe a bad ROM which changed something in a position that should not be changed and which is not restored by flashing another ROM.

A night without battery won't help, I think, because my device has been numerous times without any power and without any battery. However, I will try it again.

Could this be a faulty device? Or a design error?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Fingaluna:
@Bright.Light

I confirm that a night without the battery solved nothing. I have had my phone on for 5 hours now, taken 5 calls, none of them too long, checked email every 10 minutes (automagically) and I am down to 27% battery.

Also, I confirm that a replacement battery solves nothing, as I have also tried this.

I am planning on returning my device to an ATT store next week for a replacement... We'll see how it goes.

Cheers,

Matt
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bonglor:
I'm in the same boat with mine. About two weeks ago the battery just started draining fast. Fast enough that it wouldn't make it to 4-5 hours without being charged. You could watch the battery meter drain. And what was weird was that there was no ROM change or anything that started this. Came out of the blue. Calling Spring tomorrow and getting a replacement is the best solution I can think of.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Fingaluna:
Folks - What about aftermarket chargers? Is everyone suffering from NUBBS (No USB Bad Battery Syndrome) still using the OEM charger, or have people been using an aftermarket charger?

I have been using an aftermarket charger, I wonder if that could be the issue...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
It's not a battery problem - the device also does not connect to PC anymore.

The battery drainage is a side effect, I think.

I have a separate charger and two batteries which are good.

Tried overnightly battery removement, but that did not help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] barneypooch:
Me too!

Battery life on my TP2 has always been poor but a few weeks ago the screen died and when it came back from repair the battery now is TERRIBLE.

I've disabled everything (auto email etc) and I can't get more than half a day. If I actually use the d*mn thing I get about two hours, if I'm lucky.

There's no point in this huge, heavy phone if you can't use its features!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Fingaluna:
I have emailed HTC and received a response (very quickly - impressed by that).

Basically, what they have said is that the USB issue indicates a problem with the USB port and that the phone requires repair. Here's the rub - They will let me send the phone in for repair, and if it is a "Warranty" repair, they will not charge anything. If it is a "Non-Warranty" repair, they will charge a fee for the repair, but they will call before doing the work. If I don't want to get the work done, they charge a $39 "Investigation" fee. Sounds like a recipe to pay either way if you ask me... HTC also tells me that the "Average" repair fee for the phone is around $107 for "Non-Warranty" repairs.

I'm going to try the AT&T store next week to see if they'll just give me a straight exchange instead.

Has anyone with this issue tried the HTC repair route? Did they charge you?