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[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
I think eventually you'll want it when you see it sitting next to everything else at the carrier store and you can compare it to other devices. I don't even think WP7 is near finished yet. There's more to come!
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
I think I have a better chance of winning a US lottery. =)

Personally, I'm waiting for Desire. iPhone OS is ****, WM7 looks to be much worse than that, and Android is the only real alternative at this point. With htc tweaks, it and a snapdragon it should be everything I want in a phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
Why is there a rant in the Q&A section.. Anyway there's some stuff I disagree with

First of all, you make it seem as if you aren't free to kkep whatever on the Start Screen you want. There will be no XBox Live tile or Grandma Visit tile on your Start screen if you don't want it there.

On email: You have a list of emails, and then the pivots just point out what's unread and what's flagged. There's really no way to make you feel like you're missing something.. You can filter to only your unread or only your flagged, or you can stay looking at the full list of emails right where you are. Noone who has owned the phone for more than ten minutes will continue to wonder confused about what they're missing over there. Secondly, Sense shows you emails envelope by envelope... how does that have more contact integration than this? On the contrary, emails and People are tied together much more intimately on this UI. See the emails in What's New or tap on their name in the emails.

Finally, people already feel there is too much animation when they haven't even settled down to polish the OS yet. How do you feel there's not enough? Think about this: They're using the exact same ZuneHD UI because critics raved about it. So basically of you had a Zune HD you wouldn't be complaining.. you are because you saw a few demo videos of beta software.

Basically I can't argue on something as vaguely subjective as "the boxes are ugly" because that is a taste thing, but your lack of attention to some things shows that you have not been approaching this with an open mind. I'm willing to bet that if you own a Win7 phone at this time next year, you will not feel the way you do now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Docwiz:
Well, that is great. However, the world does not revolve around you. Android is by far the most overrated OS on the market today. The OS is poor, the apps are poor, the experience is poor, the hardware and software standards are poor and the only thing you have is an open phone OS that is ripe for malware, crashing, and poor performance. We have already gone through this mess with Windows Mobile Classic. Why do you think that most people (besides YOU) can't stand Windows Mobile Classic. Here is a hint, it isn't about the freedom.

Even in life there is no such thing as 100 percent freedom and there are reasons for that because you would end up in chaos. This is why we have laws and rules to prevent chaos and destruction.

Total freedom on phones is just stupid. Open source or not, it is dumb to have that on a phone. I am not against Open source on anything else, but Open source OSes and having things too open it just simply too dangerous and I could not trust such a platform.
[Windows Phone 7 General] alphaandomega:
Finally, somebody said it! Thanks, man! I thought I was the only one!

The whole damn thing looks like a complete mess! What if you don't want ridiculous microscopic squares that can't fit one word in on your home screen? Well, then tough titties! It might be "centered around the user experience", but I don't know what user they mean. It does look different, and I'll even give them "innovative", but not everything innovative actually proves useful. To me, it looks like a sadly limiting user experience. And no copy/paste is just laughable. I mentioned this on another post, but what about note-taking? How can you edit a Word document without copy/paste?? You... retype the entire paragraph you need copied? Good thinking, Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fdo35:
Well I personally love Windows 7. It was a huge success, and most new laptops ship with it preinstalled. My laptop runs it great, and it is quite stable. Oh, and Windows Phone 7 Series is also awesome; I can't wait until "Holiday 2010." Also, even if it has lost cut/copy/paste (that's really all you lose), it's still great. Also, it does have a level of multitasking; Microsoft apps will have it fully, while other apps will remain paused but still in memory, until those resources are needed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
It may still be great, but that's not all you lose, unfortunately. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
He's talking about Windows 7 desktop.

Android has the same flaws as Windows Mobile and therefore will suffer the same marketplace fate once the dust settles.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jfarhat:
What "flaws" are you talking about that both Android and WM share? If you are talking about it being an open source OS, I would have to disagree. Also, if it is doomed to fail, why is it climbing in market share? And why is Apple so worried about Android that they are now taking HTC to court?

I would have to respectfully disagree with you regarding your comments about Android doomed to failure. The only reason I have not yet switch to Android is because it is too young of an OS, apps are still weak compaired to WM. Also, I have already invested a lot in WM with regards to apps (and I'm just used to the WM OS - I can always find a solution here at XDA if I need something)

But if you feel that open source OS is doomed then we just simply disagree. Have a great weekend!
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The iPhone was successful because it went beyond the small category of smartphone users into the mainstream, which was quite an obvious move, but none of the incumbents bothered because, well, incumbents don't bother. This mainstream audience is still, and for years to come, will be the main source of growth for smartphones. The key success factors there are ease of use and immaculate reliability (apart from must-have features, which will be more or less the same on all platforms). In order to have those success factors delivered to the end user, you must be anal about every little aspect of user experience, and just cannot afford to let HTC choose whether or not they will add decent 3D drivers to their devices. Microsoft's model just wasn't built for that. Neither is Google's, as they are following Microsoft's path here, and therefore the platform already shows dangerous signs of incompatibility, poor implementations, overpowered devices etc., even though it may perform better on average being built on the base of a more modern OS.

It grows fast, yes, but it's still small, so percentages don't mean much. It will attract WM users, but that's not enough. If you pay attention to how it sells, you'll note that its best selling device, the Droid, is actually a Verizon's scam - they push it fiercely to customers who in fact want the iPhone.

And no, I don't think it's doomed to failure. It's just overrated and doomed to have a lot of problems on the way to mainstream acceptance. The funny thing about it is that Google doesn't really care. So it just can't fail in the traditional sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
1. Home page - The fact that the home page can't be altered in any which way pisses me off.

2. Social networking - Same goes for me. The extent of my social networking is AIM, and even then I don't like it much.

3. Xbox - I have an Xbox 360, and I wish I never bought it. I mainly got it for Halo 3, and that game sucked. Every game that came out on Xbox is on PC. Well, nearly every game. At least the ones I care about.

4. Emailing - I really don't care too much about E-Mail. As long as I can check it, I'm fine.

5. Interface in general - Android has some nice spiffy animations made by the community. Microsoft says you can't customize the interface at all. Which sucks my balls.

6. Customization - Microsoft has customization, you can buy applications with Vista, Mastercard, or Discover. You can customize it three ways.

7. "Copy and paste" and "multitasking" -Why do you need copy and paste when the app store has everything you'll need? ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

Multitasking is bad, it'll make you do two things at once, and we all know that's impossible. Phone 7 can't do the impossible! OBEY! OBEY!

Yes I'm ****ing around.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
LOL!!! :D:D

By the way. Sold my ****ty ass TP2 and bought N1. Wow. WOW.

Now I see what a f****ing nightmare WM was.

And I look at new WP7 interface every morning now. It gives me good 20 minutes of healthy, hysterical, jaw-locking, eye-tearing laughter. Kind of a good way to start my day. Neighbors disagree though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
And yeah, dude, we're talking about Windows PHONE 7 (or WinMo 7).

Windows 7 is awesome, I love it with every fiber of my being. And I've been around since Windows 3.1 and NT4.
[Windows Phone 7 General] licht77:
Summing it up: Its impossible to supply an OS the majority here will love :) (We were mocking about CE, WM5, WM6, 6.1, 6.5 - and hey - will do so with WP7 too *g*)

But what really sucks at the moment: Personally, its really hard to buy a device these days: Iphone is just a nice presenter, android is in an difficult stage, WM6.5 is really fine but at the end of a livecycle and WP7 is a big questionmark... :-(

Anyone got an old Nokia with B/W screen? :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
I'm sure it's not. Put a nice UI on top of WM6.5, CE6 underneath and good developer tools that don't require developers to waste time on designing the UI, and you're done.

Actually, that's WP7S without restrictions. Perfect.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
Meh, Android fits my bill perfectly.

It's fast as hell.

It has a crapload of apps/tools and they grow in number rapidly.

It's design is FAR, FAAAAR better than WM7S in my opinion.

It's more or less open source, allowing for major tinkering and adjustments.

Google is at the top when it comes to fast version updates and they are the absolute leader when it comes to awesome ideas for usability. Just look at Gmail - other email doesn't even have to right to be called "email" anymore.

Just my opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
HTC already tried putting a nice UI on WM6.5. "Lipstick on a pig", nothing more. Still slow, buggy, unreliable and constantly shows its rotten inner self.

Who says CE6 is all of a sudden so much better? AFAIK, same ****ty core.

WP7S without restrictions is still ugly as f**k and unusable by my standarts. Unless you're a facebook/xbox freak that is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
CE6 is much better.

And would it matter whether WP7 is ugly, if there were no restrictions? You could customize it.

And what's the difference between Android and "a nice UI on top of CE6 and good developer tools"?

Android almost is what WP7 should have been. Almost.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
orly? says who? Microsoft?

Um.. well, what's the difference between a 5th gen jet fighter and your grandpa's 1972 Talbot with a stolen engine?
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Me says that.

And Android really is not different from what Windows Mobile 7 could have been, if they hadn't started that crappy WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
Well, don't get me wrong. I've used WM since 5.0, and been through every iteration of it. WM7 could've been awesome, and we all wanted that.

In fact, I never planned switching to Android until I saw the WM7 catastrophe. Just reading about it on engadget and watching videos made me throw up. I hoped it was just a real early alpha, but when they confirmed that this is what will ship.. I understood that MS's mobile platform is completelly incompatible with my views and needs.

I've done serious research and switched to android. And now, you won't find a happier phone owner anywhere.

WM7 could've been awesome, could've been kinda cool, could've been "same ****"... but they went with worst possible scenario I couldn't even imagine.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
True, very true.

(I corrected one letter ;))
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Hehe, a Nexus One user calling something else ugly. Really you don't have any credibility in issues related to aesthetics. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
I like the Nexus One's design. No comparison to the HD2, of course, but not bad at all.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The phone itself is fine, bare Android without Sense or some other lipstick is the problem.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Sense certainly looks better than bare Android, but bare Android still looks a lot better than Windows Mobile. :)

And I think you can do a lot of customization, much more than you can do with Windows Mobile. Never tried them, but many of the themes in the Android themes forum look beautiful.

By the way, Android can sync the Exchange calendar. And you can have two Exchange push connections. Only downside is you can only sync the calendar with one of them.

Overall it's still better than what you get with any other OS (iPhone, WM) though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And Android even has a dedicated forum on XDA, to add to its list of great features. I just wish all this stuff were discussed there cause this is a WP7 one. I frankly don't approve of your double standards in taking on Apple fanboys and then suddenly supporting an Android one who is trolling just as they do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Just saying how it is. Actually, YOU are the one who is against Android for weird reasons.

I'm not against your WM. WM is still good, Android is good.

But WM is dying, some day even you will need to find an alternative.

Just my opinion. I'm not like those stupid Apple fanboys who can't change their opinion and can't accept the facts when there's hard evidence.

Give me hard evidence that Android sucks and I will agree. Those stupid fanboys can't agree that their iPhone is not the best thing since sliced bread, even when there's hard evidence.

If you think I have double standards then you're an idiot. I'm just pragmatic, buying whatever works best for me. And I'm not a liar like those Apple fanboys. If you compare me to them, you're really an idiot!

This is a general thread that compares WP7 to other stuff, mainly iPhone, as you can see from the title. Nothing wrong with talking about Android or other OS here. YOU are the one who should think about his standards.

Have a nice day.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
This is a WP7 forum, and Android is just off topic here. I care about it not more than about your assessment of my IQ level, which means I don't give a damn. What I do care though is information about WP7, that's a reason why I came here, and because of an army of Android fanboys I have to maze through tons of irrelevant garbage. Whether an Android fanboy throws up or ****s in his pants when he sees WP7 is something he should live for his fanboy brothers to get excited about. Too bad this forum doesn't really have any serious moderation, there certainly has to be a rule saying that those switching to whatever should just wrap up and go instead of preaching and trolling all over the place.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
Yeah people who love android should be banned.

Awesome idea Einstein.

Ok back to topic... Android really has nothing to do with this thread, its about the WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
DING DING DING! We have a winner.

I seriously loved WM6.5, except for a few problems that I was hoping they were going to fix.

File Explorer - Why is it gone? If Windows 7 has it, and WM has it, then why not WP7? Is WP7 too good for a method to explore the contents of my phone?

SD Card - It's the #1 reason I hate iPhone. I didn't think anyone would be stupid enough not to include one.

Customize UI - I know why Microsoft doesn't want it, but I like having a custom UI. Why can a World of Warcraft player customize their UI, but not WP7?

Copy and Paste - Windows 95 can copy and paste. Windows 3.1 can copy and paste. Both of these OS's ran on hardware that make our phones look like super computers. So, why can't we have it?

Hardware Restrictions - Why can't HD2 owners get this OS? Android owners get free OS upgrades, and so do iPhone owners. That's bad treatment to Windows Mobile owners.

Software Restrictions - We already know that WP7 can't have 3rd party web browsers. So how sophisticated can the applications get? Seems to me that WP7 is going to be like iPhone, with hundreds of fart joke apps.

You know why Android is mentioned a lot here? Cause the above problems don't exist on Android. So to me, Android is what WM7 should have been. Check out all the old WM phones. Android ports to some of these phones are getting so popular, that they needed their own section. Before WP7 was announced Android ports weren't that big. Now, it's like an Android bonanza.

You know what's even sadder? Someone gave me a free 4Gig Zune. It's used, and has no power adapter. So I went to stores looking for power adapters, and nobody carries Zune, and of course no power adapters. Zune is dead and nobody carries it anymore. Yet, they all have iPods. I can easily see this happening to WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Cool, but, as you are saying, WP7 is different, and incidentally this is a forum about WP7, not Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Incidentally, this thread makes comparisons of WP7 to another OS. It's not far off to bring Android to the mix. Fits perfectly in here.

If you don't care about other OS, don't read threads about them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
A comparison never hurts. When you go to the super market, do you only wanna see 1 brand of a cereal? When you buy a car, don't you wanna look around and compare? When you look at benchmarks, don't they usually include a product from another company?

When people wanna upgrade their phones, they'll wanna compare WP7 to iPhone to Android. Ignoring other products is like being a fanboy. Ignorant, stupid, and likes to put their favorite products logos on everything from their cars bumpers to their cat.

If you're doing something like this, you've taken logic and reasoning and flushed it down the toilet. Not to mention that the information in this thread is considered extremely valuable. Had if Microsoft been reading this thread, it clearly shows they need to make some massive changes to WP7 before it's released. It's called feedback.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
+1 my friend.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Comparisons are certainly useful, fanboy mantras, trolling and repeating the same stuff over and over again aren't. I also think that if you wanted to provide feedback to Microsoft you would go to their forums, not here. Oh, and sorry to see you have to use that old fanboy outfit, they haven't started selling new Android ones, have they? It's okay though, it shows clearly that you are a fanboy, few will care what your current worship is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
Even fewer care about your completely unrealistic accusation of "fanboyism". Nothing's perfect, and android is far from it. However, I'm sure majority of people here will agree that Android does have many features that we all wished WP7 would have.

So, we are discussing what is it that we wish it had, and what certain features of it fail. It's pretty much the law of the universe that we discover everything in comparison, so, we are comparing it.

Chill and learn to respect (or at least tolerate) other people's opinions.

Now, back to topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] GHOST99K:
yepp so much hype but nothing really good but boring,and depressed looking phone and OS the WP7 series gonna be.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Chill? Have tolerance? It's not me who is posting all around the place about throwing up, waking up from nightmares and such trolling. There's nothing wrong with having opinions, it's just a matter of where you post them, for what purpose and how you word them in a public forum.

Back to topic? This thread has zero substance, it's a garbage can for flaming, because of how you called it and because you put it in the WP7 Q&A section, making it irrelevant to anything immediately.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
Ooo, I think I made it angry lol.. Nerd rage!! Haha.

Don't like the thread, don't read it. And there is no better section for this thread. Others are development and software related. So yeah, back to topic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
No anger. Just giving you stuff to tolerate, and pointing out that just about anything is on topic here. Because it's nothing but a misplaced off-topic thread.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Then don't read it. That simple.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Very good post, Sir. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dukenukemx:
It's repeated because it bares repeating. WP7 LOST features compared to WM6.5. It's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Think about that, cause it's messed up.

It's like your current car has a CD player, power locks, power windows, and a 300hp engine. For the lack of imagination, lets call the car "Microsoft Power Wheels". You own the 2005 model car, but Microsoft is making a better car, or so they say.

Nothing wrong with your car, other then it has a ugly interior and sometimes you wish your car looked as good as the Apple iCar. So now you're going to buy the 2010 "Microsoft Wheels 7". It looks great and has a wonderful interior. Yet, something is missing.

No CD player, but you do have the option for the Zune to interface with the car. If only you had a Zune. No power locks or windows, but you have a pull down LCD screen to play your Xbox 360 games. If only you had a Xbox 360. For some reason, the car can never go in reverse, even though every other car on earth can, besides the Apple iCar. Finally, no glove compartment to put your crap in, just like the Apple iCar.

If Apple or Microsoft made a car, nobody would buy it. That's why it's repeated, because who in their right mind would buy it?

You don't think Microsoft visits XDA? They have corporate trolls watching this site. Pretty sure a number of corporations have people visiting this site, for a number of reasons.

Any corporation worth a damn pays somebody to troll the forums. Not only to collect information, but to try and alter public opinion. Besides, I'm sure the word has gotten around that people don't like WP7.

Boy, I currently own 2 Windows Mobile phones. I am nothing like a fanboy. If you bothered to check my signature, you would know my primary phone is a Windows Mobile phone.

You think I like switching over to Android? I gotta get new apps, learn an entirely new OS, and deal with any limitations that Android has. Android does have issues. I didn't even bother to learn how to use linux, but thanks to Android I'll have to.

I am no fanboy, but a smart consumer. If Android is better, then I'm buying Android. That will be my next phone. It's not like we're having a hard time comparing WP7 to Android. It's blatantly obvious that Android is a better product.

Unless Microsoft makes some massive changes, the only people stupid enough to buy a WP7 is fanboys.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DarkDvr:
Nice write-up, I agree that decision to move to another platform was not the one we wanted to make but the one we are forced to make.