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[G1 General] digitaljeff:
i dont doubt its faster, but its not using hspa+. just check out the detailed specs on telus' site, it only supports HSPA.
[G1 General] reuthermonkey:
the milestone doesn't support HSPA+. It's a 10.2mbps HSDPA / 5.76HSUPA device. The Dream is 7.2mbps HSDPA / 2.0 HSUPA device.
[G1 General] domenukk:
More ram and a faster processor is what makes browsing noticable faster.

Its not the download speed but the rendering that takes most of the time on our phones...
[G1 General] tnpapadakos:
and the opera mini 5 page-caching approach really makes it faster than other browsers too...
[G1 General] harry_m:
"Mobile Wimax" (also known as WiBRO in South Korea - IEEE 802.16) is 4G!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

A HSPA+ network is not a 4th generation cellular wireless network - there are some key-features missing (physical layer)!
[G1 General] incredulous:
Just want to make sure this is 100% clear, HSDPA/HSUPA is just an evolved version of 3G. It is to 3G what EDGE is GSM and GPRS - an extension. Real 4G is anew technology on a NEW band. 4G is the likes of the russian WiMax and will eventually be rolled out. HSDPA is old technology now in respects to this thread.

Just wanted to clear that up.
[G1 General] canadiancow:
No. 1 MB = 8,000,000,000 mb. But the concept of a "mb" doesn't make sense on its own (but it does in when referring to mbps, i.e., it takes 1000 seconds to transmit 1 bit).

M = mega (1000000)

m = milli (1/1000)

b=bit

B=byte

However, the original two values were "2.5Mbps" and "2.5mbps"

When anyone uses a lowercase "m" in computers, it's almost always a typo. Taking that into account, the two values are identical.

And since half of everyone I see on forums don't understand the difference between "b" and "B", I tend to make assumptions, like how I assume you meant 1MB = 8Mb.
[G1 General] NPS_CA:
<SARCASM>

So the LTE developments I'm working with partners on require no new client silicon hw... Cool; I'll be sure to tell their dev teams about this and we can chuck out 3+ years of development

</SARCASM>

3G-3.7G = WCDMA/UMTS with HSPA, HSPA+ - whatever you want to call it. All very possible to support in latest chipsets if radio and baseband stack can support the technology - most basebands are highly programmable.

4G = LTE (in a GSM aligned world); THIS WILL require a new baseband.

There is NO BLOODY CHANCE OF ANY EXISTING PHONES SUPPORTING 4G/LTE IN ANY CURRENT CHIPSETS.

What the hell is the world coming to when trash like this gets traction.
[G1 General] tnpapadakos:
well put sir
[G1 General] harpreet1988:
NPS_CA - I blame the media.
[G1 General] ashshlay:
Someone almost had me convinced that our wifi devices could support wimax and therefore supported 2.5/4G. This from our regular old wifi phones. Is this where the thread started its idea?
[G1 General] alan090:
thank you

finally someone that knows what they are saying
[G1 General] Brainze:
I can confirm that T-Mobile HSDPA is working quite well in Austin, TX...

I'm using the latest radio and my data connection flies!! Very rarely switched to 3G in about an hour period while using my MT3G's browser...
[G1 General] heybobitsme:
CTIA

This could be related: http://goo.gl/8NjO
[G1 General] mt3g:
like what speeds are you getting?
[G1 General] :
So if 4G is on a ROM, will the little icon in the Notification Bar show a '4'?
[G1 General] staunty:
I call shenanigans. I am in Austin also and my data connection is nowhere near HSDPA speeds. I don't even get cell reception in my house. T-mobile coverage here sucks ass.
[G1 General] kevin4144:
I Hi all my first post yay!!

Ok I am a flashohlic and I use my phone 3g connection for to access xbox live to play via wireless tether. The other day I downloaded I think was mirco hero or something like that and whenever I would use the broswer I noticed it would change from 3g to an H so I used the speedtest app from the market I was getting 900kbps consatantly. I switched to pays latest rom (donut) and tested the speed and all I can get is 512kbps.

I do have the new radio. Can I possibly be getting these speeds that this thread is talking about??
[G1 General] fordstang99:
im in tacoma area..not to far from seattle....would definately be nice if it came here
[G1 General] kevin4144:
No one knows?
[G1 General] tnpapadakos:
kevin4144:

what is "pays latest rom"?

also maybe try http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=640535 for yer answer
[G1 General] c-brit323:
soooooooo when am i gonna see it?

Sent from my HTC Dream G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[G1 General] JAguirre1231:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this thread was to strengthen his April Fools Joke, give it more credibility when it was released since he had given previous information that may make people believe that the date it was released was by coincidence.
[G1 General] sino8r:
7Mbps is supported currently. 21 (aka 4G/HSPA+) is possible but would require some kind of firmware upgrade such as the one the op is speaking of testing.
[G1 General] Ace42:
I know major cities will get em first for use. I hope Ny gets it first:p
[G1 General] Sik-1:
i heard that we should have this around april-may time in ny, got the tip from tmo rep...they also have been testing in pa. b4 ny go figure....lol

i really can't wait for lte ha ha:D
[G1 General] uansari1:
hspa+ = 3.5g

lte = 4g
[G1 General] G1ForFun:
Really guys?

I knew HSDPA would be compatible on all 3g devices.....for about 3 months now?

Sad...because all I did was ask T-Mobile for the specifics and they told me...I guess the android news sites are to lazy to get there own information.
[G1 General] death1246:
lol not goign to happen

4G will be on another band and your phones hardware is not made for that band...

Meaning no you cant have it.

and if you manage to change the radio bands on the phone to get that... Tell everyone how you did it so I can buy a UK HTC Hero and change the band to work on T-Mobile USA's 3G network ;)
[G1 General] G1ForFun:
If you are saying that my g1 is not going to be able to get on the HSDPA network...you are incorrect.

I dunno wtf 4g is but tmobile doesn't call there network 4g...its called HSDPA+ (and it piggy backs on 3g, so yes it works on any 3g compatible device)

maybe that was spring.
[G1 General] borodin1:
Most devices but not ALL of them. Latest 3g blackberry for example is not HSDPA+ compatible... must suck to be BB user i guess :-D
[G1 General] JAguirre1231:
I'm not sure what the conversation has been so far as I don't feel like reading through 3 pages of discussing how hast 3.5 or 4g is, but your phone WILL be able to connect (as you are saying) it just will not be able to use full speeds.
[G1 General] ohwut:
I was ready to laugh at this pretty good until I realized by 4G you meant HSDPA+

Evolved HSPA(HSDPA+) Is still a 3G Technology, or Enhanced 3G Technology.

4G would be Sprint's WiMax network, or Verizon/AT&T's LTE Network. T-Mobile has not announced ANY plans for a 4G network.

Regardless, if we're going to be seeing HSDPA+ on these devices that's great.
[G1 General] MattKilla:
Someone explain to me how my 3G phone will connect to 4G signals with a signal it isn't compatible with. I'm not saying YOU'RE ALL LIARS, but a little science would be nice.
[G1 General] boldfilter:
Id hate to ask this and I dont want to feel stupid asking stupid questions in the presense of such prestiges geekinesses but,

I have a mytouch on att running edge, can I get 4g possibly. Since att 3g bands are already not supported by my mytouch.
[G1 General] Ace42:
technically the bands are diff but some say that a update will allow it to work. A little fishy I guess.
[G1 General] JAguirre1231:
Most likely not, but we will have to find out when AT&T launches their 4G (My bet is on "Get T-Mobile")
[G1 General] Ace42:
No tmo is getting 4G and Att 4G wont even be compat at all. Your out of luck my friend.
[G1 General] XxKOLOHExX:
I thought the 4g or HDSPA+ whatever... signal piggy backs on the 'NOW' 3g speeds we have... all it will do is increase the speeds of the internet
[G1 General] Ace42:
Well regardless it wont work for those of you on att. My 3G is slow and i hope this helps me.
[G1 General] XxKOLOHExX:
LOL i am not on At&t .. T-Mobile all the way :P
[G1 General] foyaeman:
The bands are the same. What OP means by 4G is actually just enhanced 3G also known as HSPDA+ which is 7.2mbps.
[G1 General] shaneaus:
Answer to the above - NO. The T-mobile 3G frequency/bandwidths are different than the ATT 3G bandwidths. The Edge bandwidths are the same.

That is why you and I (using a US T-mobile G1 with ATT service) can access Edge data service - BUT, can NOT use 3G - We would need different hardware/antennas inside our phones. It isn't possible for us to use ATT 3G without taking apart our phones unsoldering the antenna with the T-mobile 3G freqs and soldering into place the antenna that would use the ATT 3G freqs. Changing antennas isn't possible without some serious manufacturing equipment = impossible.

So, since the method spoken of above is only using the current phone's antenna's capabilities - this won't apply at all to those of us using US T-mobile phones on ATT (or, in the future, an ATT branded phone on T-Mobile).

However! After the Desire/X10/Dell phones hit the ATT market (hopefully, in May/June) we might be able to apply this method to get our phones to access a higher data speed on the ATT 3G network!

We'll just have to wait and see!
[G1 General] Ace42:
I thought it was only gonna be 3.5G

Oh and the rogers Dream works on att 3G.
[G1 General] alan090:
would like to see verizon confirmed in the provider search then

I know that verizon has cdma and they are rolling out LTE

if you can show a verizon provider on a gsm phone then I will believe its more than smoke and mirrors - cus really I dont see how you can make my 7.2mbps radio exceed that speed as its a hardware set thing

for ex

I have HSPA 21+ in my city but regardless my gsm radio can only support 7.2MBPS

I think a better hack would be to allow us to use 21+

(since it uses the same band freq i dont think is possible due to hardware)
[G1 General] superg81:
id be happy if my area landed 3g:eek:
[G1 General] bubonik:
Are you talking about true 4G? Could I connect to my clear account and use its service?
[G1 General] alan090:
umm 4g is LTE

if he meant HSDPA + 21MBPS he should be more specific

cus HSDPA+21 is still on the same signal and freq as our current hardware

our radios cannot surpass 7.2MBPS in down speed because of hardware and it is ALREADY compatible with 7.2 MBPS

thanks

(rogers HSDPA 21+ GTA network here)

sort out the confusion with terms

4g = LTE 100MBPS

HSDPA+ = 3g 21MBPS

HSDPA 3.5g is 7.2MBPS

3g is 3.6 MBPS
[G1 General] :
I'm in the Chi, we always get our 3G LOVE!
[G1 General] blackerwater:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html

well here's the g1 specs note the network speeds once the network is finished being updated the g1 will be lots faster.
[G1 General] DebauchedSloth:
Not sure if this is 4G per se, but about a week ago, I started seeing tripled upload speeds on some towers in my area (Suburban Boston.) Never really saw more than 300kbps, now I regularly see a megabit or so.
[G1 General] cyanogen:
I have some test code that can't be released yet, but I can confirm that it works on several devices.
[G1 General] alan090:
gotten higher than 7.2MBPS?

i mean if u got a test rom or something I can test upto 21mbps on my network

still not buying this as im pretty sure radios are hardware limited by speed
[G1 General] efbenson:
FWIW I have been getting 400-600+ KBYTES/s from TMO 3g since December on my G1 regardless of the ROM. Its only on the one 3G cell at my house by the Philly airport, but I consistently test those speeds on the SpeedTest.net app.
[G1 General] blackerwater:
Up to 7.2 Mbps down-link (HSDPA) and 2 Mbps up-link (HSUPA) speeds thats what the g1 can sport but that doesnt mean the Code he has cant go faster :)
[G1 General] alan090:
umm code doesnt change the radio hardware limitation though...
[G1 General] blackerwater:
I'm not one to question cyanogen if he has code or something hes got something. but i know the g1 can sport faster speeds by tmobile just following there hspa upgrade path . and your right the g1 will cap off at 7.2mbps but do you understand how fast that actually is....
[G1 General] smellyfungus:
am i the only one who doesn't understand what exactly is being worked on?

i would assume it is making the g1 21mbps compatible but some people are saying 4g some people are saying other things.

guess ill have to wait til one of the devs clarifies.
[G1 General] alan090:
yes I do since like i stated in prev posts Ive had HSPA 7.2 since I got my phone

my network supports speeds that dwarf your american providers with HSDPA+ 21MBPS supported on rogers Toronto network
[G1 General] rockky:
out of the blue yesterday I was getting 3.5 speeds for a few hours here in Chicago on my nexus ....where I usually avg 600-700kbps.
[G1 General] MattKilla:
I think the confusion lies in the terminology.

From what I gather:

This will make our phones connectible to HSPDA+ (21Mbit) connections, but still max out at the 7.2MBit limitation (like plugging a CAT5 into a Gigabit connection; maxing out the 100Mbit on a Gigabit network?)

While this is exciting, no doubt, HSPDA+ is not 4G. LTE is 4G, and HSPDA+ is 3.5G.
[G1 General] blackerwater:
I believe the nexus can go up to the same speeds as the g1.
[G1 General] Mookie_Jones:
is this seriously what you guys do all night? ben has proven to be a good developer who has plenty of people salivating over his superd, and he says that he has seen good speeds under the code hes working on, yet the majority of posters here arent really giving him any chance without shooting him down before hes even posted anything. any extra speed that can be juiced out is welcome in my book.
[G1 General] G1ForFun:
:rolleyes:

Our phones can connect to HSPDA+ signals...if they can connect to 3g signals (ASSUMING YOU BOUGHT A PHONE FROM TMOBILE, obviously some phones dont support this network but every phone TMOBILE sells does)...STRAIGHT FROM A T MOBILE SUPPORT REP.

And yes I know that it does not mean it will utilize the full speed, but the point is, your phone will be able to get on that signal.
[G1 General] MattKilla:
No doubt, and I also appreciate Ben's work. But, as I'm sure we can all agree, the idea that our 3G phones can support "4G" sounds a little too good to be true. If it can stand up to a little well-deserved skepticism, then I'm sure it'll be fantastic.
[G1 General] alan090:
lol guess you dont know how to do research on hardware

hardware > software

considering the hardware is limiting the speeds and I know for a fact that diff phones support diff speeds - ex magic from rogers is 7.2 but xperia x10 will be what 10.6?

makes it seem pretty hardware dependent - so what everyone really wants is PROOF

no point in posting this without it working or its gonna turn into the next overclocking thread that was full of a failed atempt

making the 3g turn into a 4g doesnt really do much if the speed doesnt change...
[G1 General] tmobilewinguser:
got this from android spin

got this picture from androidspin.com

http://www.androidspin.com/2010/03/17/its-twoo-its-twoo-4g-speed-is-a-reality/
[G1 General] MattKilla:
Notice how it says "4G". More confusion.. I'm pretty sure that's -not- connected to LTE.
[G1 General] blackerwater:
Bingo. This is exciting
[G1 General] bbuchacher:
for the non believers
[G1 General] XxKOLOHExX:
Will it be in your next release of Super D by any chance?
[G1 General] alan090:
yea like i said

that 4g icon does nothing if the speeds are the same old 3g
[G1 General] tmobilewinguser:
cant wait to see how this turns out very excited:)
[G1 General] alan090:
yeaa still want proof

notice how i told cyanogen i dont buy it since u guys in the USA dont have a network that can even exceed 7.2 mbps...
[G1 General] saul972:
HSPA+

Article on this

http://gizmodo.com/5493830/t+mobile-hspa%2B-speed-test-3g-gets-pumped-up-to-21mbps
[G1 General] prankstr:
This is f**kkn awsome!! As long as there are speed increases its all good. And I I have already experienced much better signal strengths since the radio update in Los Angeles are. Usually have 3-4 bars =] I kinda thought this had something to do with that thread that does the troutswitch..
[G1 General] Kermee:
I think that most people don't understand is that most T-Mobile towers, currently, even if they're running HSDPA+ or LTE for testing, doesn't have the required backhaul to see the increased speed between 3G, 3.5G and 4G technologies.

While your phone might be talking to a tower in 4G, if there's only three T1's pumped to it for both voice & data and haven't run fiber to the tower yet... With a ton of other users on that tower, you're not going to see any differences if your handset is connected via UMTS or HSDPA+... etc.

What that "4G" Mobile speedtest.net shows, purportedly, is a 4G connection... with a tower that doesn't have the required backhaul to support higher speeds. Analogous to running 802.11n wireless in your home to a dial-up modem for your Internet connection at 56K and running speedtest.net to see you're only getting 45Kbps when your wireless transport runs at 150-300Mbps.

And that's my $0.02 USD.

Cheers,

Kermee
[G1 General] alan090:
I will

like I said our 21MBPS is already fully operation here in canada eh?
[G1 General] Lou2serious:
Well I can confirm that HSPA+ is coming soon, some areas in the US are already experiencing the speed increase of 3.5G but june will be the month when it goes nation wide on t-mobile's network.
[G1 General] tuffCookie:
with Philly's HSPA+, i'm avg 5 Mbps down and at least 1 Mbps up. tested using SpeedTest app.
[G1 General] alan090:
your misusing HSPA+

7.2 is 3.5g HSPA

HSPA+ is 21mbps
[G1 General] MattKilla:
Oi. Wake me up when this is over and there's something I can push to my phone.
[G1 General] blackerwater:
Im with you on this one...... for all we know its a picture of the htc supersonic with wimax pictured above. but i do believe we have a faster connection coming to our phones still......cant wait for this
[G1 General] CrazyEye:
Would this work with AT&T on G1?

I hope so >.<
[G1 General] tuffCookie:
i understand that, but those are theoretical peak numbers; unless conditions are perfect, it's difficult to attain those speeds in real world use.

please see here for review on t-mobile HSPA+ where they also avg 5 Mbps down and 1 Mbps up in their tests in Philly.

http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=8641

all i'm saying is that since Philly has a HSPA+ network, HSPA devices like the G1 and Magic can benefit and get closer to attaining that theoretical HSPA 7.2 Mbps (assuming my understanding is correct).
[G1 General] blackerwater:
via androidme

4G is just a marketing term.

T-Mobile is set to launch their HSPA+ network nationwide by mid-2010. They currently use HSPA 7.2 and the upgrade to HSPA+ will be achieved by a software update to their network nodes and a massive backhaul upgrade.

The flavor of HSPA+ that T-Mobile is using features a theoretical max of 21 Mbps (and newer versions of HSPA+ can do 42 and 84 Mbps). Philadelphia is the test market for T-Mobile’s HSPA+ and early results show it can do 9 Mbps in real world tests.

Are you confused yet? T-Mobile’s new “3G” network is actually faster than Sprint’s 4G WiMax.

this is probably why there calling it 4G
[G1 General] harpreet1988:
Maybe on a Rogers G1, but not a t-mo g1.
[G1 General] CrazyEye:
Poop

Living life on the Edge isn't as great as you think.
[G1 General] narunetto:
As said before, it will still actually be "3G" faster than the 3G than we have now because of network upgrades. It's still all UMTS but with software additions that make it much faster than it is. The 21mbps is already inuse in Canada.
[G1 General] harpreet1988:
I know, I have an unlocked T-Mo g1 on AT&T as well (no data plan though, not really worth it to only have edge).

And even if you had a Rogers g1, it would be required for AT&T to have the 3.5/4G(depending on how you look at it) towers up and running, just like T-Mo does now.
[G1 General] CrazyEye:
Since its a hardware problem with 3g on T-Mobile G1 with AT&T would it ever be possible to pull a 3g signal (can we piggy back off T-Mobile towers?)
[G1 General] harpreet1988:
I don't think so,(someone correct me if I'm wrong but....) since AT&T would be only using T-Mobile backhaul and not their 3G Towers.
[G1 General] simms22:
tmobile 3g, hspa.
[G1 General] CrazyEye:
such a shame why 3g doesn't work, life would be perfect then =]
[G1 General] apreichner:
I trust Cyanogen and bbuchacher. Although to be honest, I did check my calendar again to make sure it wasn't April Fools.

I just can't wait for some improved speed period. Right now I only get like 500kbps max on 3G, I'm hoping for 1+mbps at least.
[G1 General] pjcforpres:
Hate to kill the eurphoric mood, but this is a bunch of crap to call it 4G or to say 4G is simply a matter of software, and so forth. I don't care what developer wants to say what, but at most it is an ID key that tells the network you are a very special customer, and thus instead of being capped(all networks cap speeds) you are uncapped, so your connection speed is whatever the max speed these parts allow:

Tower

Network Software

Phone

Connection Strength

It is not, however, 4G or some magical hack that can all of a sudden make our 3G devices into 4G devices or our 3G networks into 4G networks...

As well, those ID keys you are testing and might release, will be changed very quickly by T-Mobile, and if they find out how they were leaked that employee will be fired.

Why do I know any of this? Because I work for a cell phone company, albeit as a sales man, but I have a pretty good relationship, to say the least, with the network technology specialist, especially the data specialists (I rooted and flashed their N1's for them, and unlocked and flashed their WM devices for them before they all switched to Android on my recommendations).
[G1 General] B1ny:
14 December 2009 Netcom here in Norway opened up the first 4G net in the world. And at the moment there isn't even a modem that supports both 3G/3.5G and 4G.

https://netcom.no/mobiltbredband/4g/4Gengelsk.html
[G1 General] Sheldonjace:
This thread makes me "lol". Not so much the topic but more or less the replies.

I pay $50 a month just for cable to reach 12 mbps and I only have to pay Tmobile $5 for similar speeds ;)

Anything past those speeds is just overkill IMHO.

What will any of you do with speeds past 7.2 mpbs on a G1 anyways???

Speeds up and above those amounts will only get you to the throttling point faster anyways hahahah.
[G1 General] sino8r:
Most people forget the download speeds aren't everything. Without descent upload speeds alot of loading times are slowed. Plus latency/ping are important too but not much can be done about that except for moving closer to the server. Many are confusing with what 4G is. Technically, the current network can reach up to 1.2 and 3.2 in some bigger cities. With an upgrade to the tower equip. plus back haul, 3G can become 3.5 (aka HSPA plus) the speeds then would be in the 7.2 to 21 capped. LTE (aka 4G) would require new everything including a new phone) and can reach 48 estimated. The only US company testing and beginning to deploy 4G is Sprint/Clearwire. They are upgrading their EVDO (aka CDMA based net.) to WiMAX. The other 3 big companies are going LTE (sim based) which will be a strange move for Verizon, imo. So... ignore the 4G part and just understand that the OP has found a way to tap into the 3.5G network being tested by T-Mobile currently. From my understanding, the G1 has the POTENTIAL to go up to 7.2 but needs a FIRMWARE edit before it can happen.
[G1 General] sino8r:
Sprint in the USA has one... it is WiMAX based. I believe a few Russian companies also use WiMAX too.