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[Nexus One General] anosis:
I second that!

Do not compare signal bars from different phones, even less from different vendors.

For example a carrier could program thier phones to show bars as follows: 5 bars could be for signal strengh anywhere between 100% and 50%, then go to 4 bars at 35%, 3 bars at 20%, 2 bars at 10% and 1 bar at 5% of full signal strengh. It's certainly not linear and it's not a unified way of showing real signal strengh between different manufacturers. Plus ATT has full control over their fleet of phones to show better bars.

Just take all the LCD contrast ratio claims that float around. Any knowledgable tech will tell you that the full on/full off ratio can vary by how each TV manufacturer does their test. Unless you have a independend company that does the testing the same way, there is no way to say that one TV really does have higher contrast ratio over another.

And here my 2 cents about the Nexus One.

I have been a huge WinMo follower since the first Samsung i700. Back then PC2003 had the edge over other smart phone OS's because the main other contender was PalmOS and RIM.That has changed and WinMo 6.5 is a joke IMHO. While MS tried to solve some of the finger friendliness with the new diamond style programs screen and the new home screen all the underlaying settings screens still rely heavily on stylus interaction. There is no native multi-touch support and most devices out there are still restistive touch. Windows Phone 7 will not be available until the end of the year and unless you have bought a recent HD2 you will have to chuck your current 6.5 windows mobile phone. I kept my eye on the HD2 for weeks now since the new release of the T9391 that is compatible with ATT and I only held out because I was not quiet ready to fork out nearly a grand and have no warranty what so ever. Then on 3/12/2010 I did my routine ebay check to see what the HD2 will go for and also did some usual research on Android phones. I really liked the Sony Ericson X10 that is rumoured to come out in April and I came across the google blog that anounced the Nexus One with 850/1900/2100 3G support. I spend the rest of the night looking up reviews and checked out what was possible in terms of hacking and liked the fact that goolge/HTC left it open to the cooks to root the phone.

I placed the order the same night and have been playing with the phone since it was delivered on Thursday.

My verdict: I love the phone and I love Andoid even more. My Tilt 2 is not even a close contender. The N1 is so much smoother and everything just is integrated so well. The 3G data speed is actually better than my Tilt2 even though the tilt2 is an ATT supported phone.

Of course I have no comparison to other Andriod phones and I am sure that there are better ones out there, but in relation to WinMo6.5 and the ATT Fuze and Tilt 2 which are the top level MS phones from ATT, the Nexus One is the better phone despite the fact that ATT will not support it.
[Nexus One General] RiNo808:
Well i really dont know what the difference is but when i checked my milestone, it was set to gsm auto prl. With that i have awesome reception, it holds the reception and it doesnt go in and out of 3g and edge. my Milestone can hold the signal in the elevator of the Orleans hotel and casino in Vegas. With my N1, when i get in the elevator i get no bars.

Well s far with the switch i have seen a bit of improvement but not as good as my milestone...it holds the reception a bit better and now in the elevator i get 1 bar...as for 3G, H and edge I dont think the N1 has the icon for H...but it does switch to it but it shows 3G. The speeds that i get with the N1 while on the web is pretty fast...much faster then my iphone3gs...but someone can correct me if im wrong about that...is there a way to get the H icon...i would really like to see it rather then just the 3G...
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Well I am very excited about this phone finally being put on AT&T, and I don't want to go too much off-topic, but I have my reservations about them forcing me to pay $30 a month for data.

Why? Well simply put I don't use that much data or texts. Their $15 a month plan for just data would work out fine and I planned on getting that prior to me ordering a N1; however, has anybody here had the experience of AT&T "upgrading" you to the $30 plan if you were on something else with the N1?

I have heard it can happen (due to IMEI possible number identification), but I am still unsure about that. The reason for that is I upgraded my parents' phones to Samsung Solstices earlier in January, yet for the time being, I am currently using one of the Solstices while my mother is still using her old unlocked Motorola PEBL U6. When I am looking at my account online, my number and my father's number are associated with the Solstices, but my mother's number has no device listed. So do they know what she's using, or not?

I would hate to pay $529 unsubsidized and get screwed over with a $30/month charge; I guess not being locking into a contract personally is a good thing...
[Nexus One General] ghost_o:
I guess I do not understand why you would ever want this powerful phone without a data plan. You might as well get a phone that is a phone only. The things that make phones like this kick ass are the apps that are constantly going out on the network and retrieving data. Turn all of those off, and all you have is a phone with a camera and mp3 player.

That combo can be had much cheaper...

-G
[Nexus One General] htc fan89:
someone of else don't need a data plan since we are always near an wifi hot spot and last time i check wifi speeds are still faster than 3G speeds,
[Nexus One General] McHale:
It's more that he doesn't want the $30 per month data plan. I'm in the same boat. I've had a smartphone with a data plan for 5 years and usually (90% of the time) never go over 100MB. If they bump me off of my MediaMax plan, I'll drop data altogether. I have WiFi everywhere but my car.

Now what I'm curious about is, for those that have been forced by AT&T into a new data plan, what does the Online Account Manager show for the Nexus One? Mine comes up unidentified. Until I got the Nexus One, I had the AT&T Fuze which was properly identified and I was never forced to switch.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] jkhouw1:
Just a quick update on speed comparison between VZW Droid and ATT n1:

as mentioned in my first post, at home in Southern CT, i get much better download/upload on ATT n1.

I was in NYC yesterday, and the Droid was getting about 3x faster download than the N1 - both on 3G. (att was around 480Kbs, Droid was about 1.8Mbs)
[Nexus One General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
Did you come from a Telus Milestone? My N1 arrives tomorrow. I have a Milestone I've been using for about 2 weeks. I'm going to heads up test. I know my office has weak 3G as when I talk on my Milestone for a while it starts to heat up. Turning off 3G solves the problem completely. I do not have heat issues at home where reception is great. Download speeds are great at home too.

Anyway, is the N1 just incapable of reading "H" ? Or is it really THAT bad in reception? We'll see tomorrow!
[Nexus One General] d.cortez:
based on my informal research and N1 user experience, the stock, unrooted N1 uses the 3G symbol to represent both 3G and HSDPA access. if you stay unrooted, you'll always see the 3G signal. conversely, the custom ROMs have enabled a feature that allows the H to appear with the signal meter when you're accessing the HSDPA network. it's been my experience that 3G will appear most often, especially when the phone is in an idle state. (the obvious exception is when in an EDGE only area). once you fire up the browser on engage in a heavy data-transfer activity, 3G typically turns H. bottom line for me: the best indicator of internet speed is via bandwith tests.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
How do you know where towers are?

How can I find out where the nearest ones to me are?
[Nexus One General] McHale:
I know where mine is because I live in a small farm town surrounded by cornfields. I know where EVERY tower is because nothing else within 30 miles is as tall and I know who put them all up because every tower that goes up makes the local papers because of the permits.

In Chicago-land, there are towers and micro cells everywhere. But who they belong to is tough to find out unless you can talk it out of an agent. One thing you can do to start is look at your carrier's coverage map and see if you can tell by the colors where they are. Where I'm at, you can do that quite easily.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] RiNo808:
Aiite i just did a speed test on both my Mstone and N1, the speeds are compairable and in another thread i found out what everyone is saying here, that the N1 doesnt have the H icon...now for my comparison...well i really want to love my N1, but there are three thing that i cant stand...

1) the reception issue, and im hoping that there can be a fix with an update...

2) the speaker volume is really softer then my Mstone, also hoping for a fix with an update...

3) Batt life is better on my Mstone...well i know its my usage and i just have to carry a car charger...

Hope that someone can help me or point me in the right direction on the first two issues if there is a solution...thanks in advanced...
[Nexus One General] brosen:
When did you receive the phone ?, how many days since you placed the order ?, did you order it with overnight shipping ?, thanks
[Nexus One General] jchap2k:
Same here! So happy I sold my T-Mobile N1 and changed back to AT&T. AT&T may not be perfect, but T-Mobile just flat out sucks!
[Nexus One General] fingernailX:
Same here as well. My wife has iphone 3gs on contract and had three times the speed I did and better signal everywhere. TMobile customer service was nice enough and pricing was right but apparently they just don't own enough spectrum to deliver the goods here in South Florida.
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
Low speeds have little to do with how much spectrum they hold for 3G, there aren't even that many people on the 3G network.. from what I can see they have at least 20mhz of AWS for Florida. AT&T's 3G is more mature resulting in better 3G coverage and speed. That should be of no surprise to anyone, for now. If anything with how many data devices (iPhones) and the dual networks they run over 850 and PCS, they are far more spectrum starved right now.
[Nexus One General] :
I compared my AT&T N1, to my Rogers rooted G1 over the weekend. I put my hand over the back of both phones, laid them down, stood them up.

I could not find any consistent difference in signal strength looking in the phones status menu.

Both phones lost 7 or so decibles when tilted sideways or laid down. Both seemed to very their signal randomly but settle to almost identicle db and asu over time.

Perhaps it's due to the updated radio. Those on T-Mobile complaining about poor signal, I'm starting to lean towards the idea that's it the networks issue. I think google even said as much.

Still haven't dropped to edge once.

-James
[Nexus One General] jkhouw1:
I've now had it for several days and have yet to see Edge.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Or your test just confirms my long-standing position that T-mobile's network is to blame for what we're seeing now... it's just not as heavily saturated with 3G as AT&T, et al. Again, in Toledo I can bump it to Edge inside my apartment by covering the back... in Chicago I would never lose 3G signal when covering the back. I assume it's like that in other major cities with adequate 3G coverage like Las Vegas, NYC, etc.
[Nexus One General] :
At&t primarily uses 850mhz primarily for 3g. It penetrates buildings better and has better range. At 1700mhz the only thing t-mobile can do is put up more towers to make up the difference. And t-mobile isn't doing that in my parts. I would love to go with t-mobile but at&t just has more solid coverage "in my city".
[Nexus One General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
HOLY CRAP reception blows on my Nexus one

Milestone:

1) -93 dBm 1740/302

2) -87 dBm 978/201

3) -89 dBm 1107/164

Nexus One:

1) -103 dBm 237/189

2) -99 dBm

3) -101 dBm

Both done with the phone flat on my desk. The Nexus one hovers between 0-2 bars. It couldn't even finish the download test on Speedtest.net

Now I understand you guys all talk about Antenna, but I hold the N1 up and I get 2-3 bars. I actually got 1320/233 in a speedtest after that. Signal strength hovers closer to 97 dBm with the phone held up.

But honestly, this is quite pathetic. I'm pretty sure my Milestone gets 3-4 bars. Yes bars are not apples to apples, so let's just talk dBm. ALSO, my Milestone has a Giant Sedio INnocase wrapped around it, so if anything it will be at a disadvantage... yet the N1 CLEARLY loses flat out in RF quality. Ugh.

Also I find it funny how when switching between 2G-3G, the bars turn into an X to show reception cuts out, before switching to 3G or 2G on the N1. My Milestone seems to switch over seamlessly. Shrug.
[Nexus One General] kendoori:
I am also in Southern CT, but seem to be mostly stuck on Edge. I was with someone earlier today who has an iPhone 3G and they were solidly locked to 3G and my ATT N1 was indicating "E" in the notification area.

Not sure this is relevant, but I did move my SIM from an old Blackberry Curve 8300 (SIM still says Cingular on it). Would the type of SIM I have matter?
[Nexus One General] bugsy:
Depending on how old the sim is, it could have an impact. It it's labeled 3G it shouldn't be an issue, but if it's one of the older 2G sims it may not give you the best coverage. At least that's what they told me in the past. They moved me to updated sims at no charge awhile ago at their prompting and indicated it would give me better coverage. I'm not sure it did, but it never hurts to check on it.

i've had good coverage with my N1 so far, certainly better than what I had with my iphone.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
Sometimes it makes me wonder whether Google made the wrong choice of picking HTC to manufacture the Nexus One. If Google had picked Motorola, we would get a real multi-touch screen and a better antenna that Motorola seems to be good at making. How's Moto's QC compared to HTC's?
[Nexus One General] McHale:
Every and I mean EVERY HTC phone I've ever had has been top shelf. Had the Nexus One *NOT* been made by HTC, I wouldn't have bought it even if it had the exact same specs and looked exactly the same.

-Mc
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Absolutely not.

HTC is hands-down THE best 3rd party cell phone manufacturer.

Do you want Motoblur with Android 1.5? Is that what you want? Because that's exactly what they're delivering:

http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/03/08/t-mobiles-cliq-xt-pamphlet-out-and-about/
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Like it was said earlier, WiFi is faster than 3G and I forgot to mention, I have that option more often than not. Case in point, when I am at home, I would use my wireless network, not 3G.

If I am correct, there is a bandwidth limit even with the $30/month plan: 5 GB or something around that. Honestly, I can guarantee that many of us don't come close to that a month. At least there should be an option for paying half that and cut the bandwidth limit to half that as well.

Sure again, texts are unlimited as well, but I don't use more than 180-200 texts a month and as such have that add-on on my line. Maybe I'd pay $10 for more texts, but I don't need them.

So ideally, $15 a month for data and maybe $10 for more than 200 texts would be fine. Sure that's only $5 less than having just about unlimited data and texts, but it's still $5 less. And once you scrap the $10 text option, I'm only paying $15 for the data I need.

Perhaps I'll still get the N1, but I'm going to keep hounding AT&T every month and change my option to $15 if they change it. Great thing is, I can swap my SIM card into my old Motorola KRZR and just then say I'm using that phone.

Let's see what they'll do because honestly, AT&T's options are just about non-existent when it comes to data and text plans.
[Nexus One General] jollins:
Ive now fully switched to the n1 after using an iphone/3g/3gs for two years. As far as I can tell, the n1's reception is no better it worse than the 3gs, so I'm not complaining.

ATT gets a lot of criticism, but from my personal experience I've seen their 3g network grow a lot over the past year and a half and I think its now pretty good now.
[Nexus One General] treiz:
meh

I've been using mine for days now, I've seen the signal drop to edge a couple of times, worse I've seen the signal drop to NOTHING!

This has happened a couple times, it has to be the phone or the software b/c that never happened with my milestone or my eXpo.

Other than that the phone has performed very well. No complaints.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Wow, that drastic huh?

Could it be you've got a defective phone? Just a thought.

I was thinking about a Milestone for the longest time, but seeing as how one of AT&T's 3G frequencies isn't supported on the Milestone (from what I remember), I decided to stay away from it as much as I really wanted it.
[Nexus One General] j.bruha:
How many people experiencing poor reception in this thread have installed the radio update? I ask because I have not had an issue with reception at all after the update on any of the three Nexus One's that have come through my household, on T-Mobile or AT&T.
[Nexus One General] ram130:
because you are in a strong 3G area(-61dBm or less). (settings, about, status)
[Nexus One General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
What radio update do you speak up? When I go to update in the Settings of the phone (I assume it looks for OTA stuff), it tells me I'm up to date. I'm assuming the new AT&T Nexus Ones are up to date anyway as they only came out a week ago.

Doubt it. A lot of people complain about the RF of the Nexus One. I have a Telus Milestone. It cost me more than the N1. I bought it just for the 850/1900. With the regular Milestone, you're stuck on 2G. I read 3G woes all over the net about the N1. I don't hear the same about the Droid/Milestone. I can send mine back, but I highly doubt this will change much. I might have gotten the best Milestone of the batch, but I might've also gotten the worst N1 in there too... however my complaints match what I'm reading on the net, so I figure I'm more or less mainstream. Remember, the N1 is WAY faster than the Milestone. But what's more important to you? Speed? Or calls? I figure speed is huge, but in the end I'm going to be making calls, and if I can't even hear the other person at work unless I'm at my cube or in a quiet room, that's pointless. While the volume can be upped, the tiny earpiece makes the voice sound tiny too. It doesn't help that a small voice has a high volume. Almost sounds like a woman shrieking... you know when you turn the volume of your earbuds way too high and the sound leaks out? Yeah... that's Nexus One for you.
[Nexus One General] j.bruha:
Nah, mine's chilling at -75db or so on AT&T right now. Full bars, 2.6mbps download speeds.
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
-75dBm is still good. -90 dBm or so more is when the signal starts to get poor (notwithstanding power/noise for W-CDMA).
[Nexus One General] Frag x 3:
My speaker just isn't loud enough. I'm switched back to an iPhone unfortunately, then probably selling the iPhone for something else come May.
[Nexus One General] :
I don't start having issues until about -103db. I get about 2 or 3 bars at -90 dBm and can still hit over 2Mbit down on AT&T.
[Nexus One General] brosen:
I am getting between -51dBm and and -57dBm with AT&T in Minneapolis inside the building, that's a good or bad number ?, sorry for the dumb question but I do not know how to interpret the value, thanks
[Nexus One General] :
Reaaaaaaaaaally good. Full bars I assume?
[Nexus One General] brosen:
Yes, Full Bars
[Nexus One General] ram130:
I get like -51dBm to -61dBm outside on T-Mobile though.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Well there's always 14 days for me to return it.

So you got your hands on the Telus Milestone eh? :) You've got a PM as I don't want to hijack the thread.
[Nexus One General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
That's what I'm gonna do actually. Unfortunately my SDHC card fried for my Milestone (total WTF right?). I contacted Moto to get it warrantied. I'm lucky I'm in CA so I get 30 days. I'll hold on to the N1 for now. I've just about had it with the on screen keyboard and the screen sensitivity. It seems like a lot of key presses don't register. The Milestone isn't that great either, but this is me coming from iPod Touch/iPhone 3GS. The on screen keyboards just don't compare.... The HTC implementation is VERY elegant. I just wish everything like multitouch and sensitivity worked just as well as on the Apple products.
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
Funny thing is, I have an iPod Touch (surprisingly, a prize my dad won in some contest and he clearly never used it), and at times it's on-board keyboard frustrates me. Granted, it's the 2nd Gen 16GB one, but still.

I would suggest trying the HTC Sense UI mod, but now that would void your warranty and I'm sure you don't want that if you plan on returning it. :p
[Nexus One General] Ok_Kaleidoscope5109:
I use the HTC IME keyboard. It's nice. nicer than stock Android, but it lacks multitouch on the keyboard. I can't type as fast as on the iPhone. I'll compare more with Milestone vs N1 but it seems I can type better on the Milestone (soft keyboard). I'm not even a hard keyboard guy I forget my phone is a slider at times :D
[Nexus One General] PacoL250:
So far, so good

Got the phone on 3/29, and it been really good to me since. A few quirky issues with the touch screen lagging when flipping through the home pages, but it's rare and I've had a few apps (NESoid mostly) "crash" on me.

Oh, and I assume I should get a App-killing program, yes? Suggestions? :)

But love the phone so far!
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
ES task manager
[Touch HD General] pgibby081965:
Hi. I have Touch Hd (8282) stock Rom. Tried to sync today but got error message - sync could not be completed - See http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=7254 but when I checked this page I couldn't find anything pertinent to my problem - any suggestions??

Thanks,

Phil G
[Touch HD Accessories] N!ghty:
Since this thread has been moved for no reason, I recreated it again in the Android Forum.

Please DO NOT answer here but in the other thread:

> CLICK HERE <
[Touch HD Accessories] g3rm0:
SanDisk microSD 2GB, class ? - working

Transcend microSDHC 8GB, Class 6 - not working
[Touch HD Accessories] pawkar:
Kingston 2GB microSD class?- working :)
[Touch HD Accessories] mcdull:
Adata 4GB SDHC Class 6

SanDisk 8GB SDHC Class 2

Working
[Touch HD Accessories] Insaneboy:
Transcend 2GB doesnt say which class it is, i assume it's SD, not SDHC. - working :p
[Touch HD Accessories] WinningDays:
SanDisk Secure Digital Card (microSD) Micro 8GB works fine ;)
[Touch HD Accessories] cereal86:
Kingston 4GB Class 4, works!
[Touch HD Accessories] akima_pilot:
Transcend microSDHC 8GB, Class 6

Are there any news about Transcend microSDHC 8GB, Class 6? Would it ever be compatible?
[Touch HD Accessories] N!ghty:
i dont think so (got one myself), but some people still have hope ;)
[Touch HD Accessories] namwollem:
SanDisk microSDHC 16GB

The above card works fine on my Touch HD (Blackstone) - no idea what class of card it is though, I just bought it off the shelf and it worked straight away with no problems at all!
[Touch HD Accessories] Devilsmate:
BestMedia Platinum microSDHC 4GB class-? /working
[Touch HD Accessories] stegg:
SanDisk SDHC Mobile Ultra 8 GB class 6 NOT working
[Touch HD Accessories] zaro76:
Transcend microSDHC 4GB, Class 6 - not working :-(
[Touch HD Accessories] thekamikas92:
Transcend microSDHC 8GB, Class 6 is working great for me:confused::confused:
[Touch HD Accessories] vcespon:
Kingston 16 GB Class 2 - Working
[Touch HD Accessories] N!ghty:
thats odd... really seems like transcendent cards have big issues :\
[Touch HD Accessories] yuzexun:
Transcend microSDHC 8GB, Class 4

don't work