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[Windows Phone 7 General] vcespon:
Most people are too used to iPhone and missing the point

So a company called Apple decided to create a smartphone for girls / non-tech guys. For 90% of the people it was the first phone with a screen bigger than 2" and touchscreen they saw. There were Windows Mobile phones better than the iPhone years before. Just not by companies with so much agressive marketing.

90% of the people that has an iPhone does not know it's limitations, how much RAM it has, or that you can copy files to a smartphone by dragging and dropping on your computer.

Windows Phone 7 is an exact copy of iPhone 1.0, and will be a complete failure just because of that. We already have Apple to provide devices for the people that does not distinguish RAM from storage.

All the reasons exposed by Microsoft are absolute crap, since they contradict themselves on desktop and mobile OS. If the same reasoning was applied to Windows 7, we will have Media Center as default and no possibility to download, install o copy anything. By the same reasoning we should eliminate guns, knifes, hammers, scissors, cars... because you know, they MIGHT be used to hurt someone.

This is STUPID, you cannot just eliminate something because it MIGHT be used by someone to do something harmful. People use computers all day long without having the required skills, they fall for scams, download and install registry boosters... why in a mobile context should things be different? A device with 1 GHz CPU and 512 MB of RAM should be something more than a tamagotchi. People should learn to use technology, like they have to do with desktops and laptops.

What if applications share memory and can access files? Is not that way on hundreds of millions of computers, including Mac? Can't you copy & paste in any computer since Windows 3.11? What the hell is the reasoning to have incredibly restrictive security on a smartphone and not on a desktop / laptop computer?

By the way I'm currently using a WM 6.1 ROM from xda-developers and I can't see the iPhone or WM7 doing anything I can't do right now. And I do not **** my pants thinking about security, I do not carry nuclear missile launch codes on my phone. I do not install 30 apps every day... The same than in my computers, I have been using Windows for 15 years and had no problems with virus, data theft, scams... So people is too lazy to learn.. that's their problem. If had applied the same approach on the past, we will still be on foot or riding horses, because, you know, driving a car is so complicated and risk-prone that no one should be allowed to do it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Very true. Ask any stupid moron, dumbass teen girl, or douchebag guy on the street which phone they'd rather have, they will say an iPhone. You're not going to win at the "dumb" market because people don't think Microsoft for image, which is what most dumb people are looking for. People do think Microsoft for functionality, though. And Windows Phone 7 is not.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
I don't think Microsoft would be smart to launch in this direction, i.e. the concept of splitting up storage and having this virtual and that installed over here, and this shortcut missing, etc. You might think of it as some useful edge scenarios, but a design built around this concept is a user nightmare. Here's what works:

1. I agree that storage is limited to what you get when you buy, which isn't ideal. I do know though that I can't get a 64Gb card and a 32GB card is hella expensive.. buying the storage as a part of the phone is much more economical. I also think built-in storage should be faster than card access, so why would I want a split? I'm no expert though.

2. This has always been a WinMo option and personally I couldn't stand having to go through that choice screen for cab installs. Just put it on the device, dammit. When I install on a card, all this junk gets left over over time.. if I wipe my phone or replace it, I want it to be fresh. I want the cloud solution Marketplace offers -- "These are the apps you had installed before. Re-download the ones you want, leave the rest. One click."

3. The files synced to the cloud by MyPhone. It ensures consistency. If I half my stuff on the card and half on the device, then in your example I lose my stuff. If I keep it all in one place and back it up, I get all my stuff back. This works well for me when flashing ROMs right now, and I'm sure they'll improve it. (Exception: Music and photos are a PC sync thing and would take long.. hopefully the Zune software remembers exactly what was on my device).

4. I have an idea of what you're talking about but I don't see why it should be that way.. maybe because it doesn't apply to me. I use Bing and Google Maps, don't want to store GBs of map data on my card. Plus, would you expect Microsoft as a business to support what you describe?

5. I want WP7S to have at least limited file exploration through the PC connection. That said, if they decided to not enable that then why would they give you a "remove the card" workaround?
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Ah, OK, if they granted unencrypted access SD cards would be useful, sure. Since they aren't doing it I see no point in removable cards anyway. All the things listed here are benefits of cards in general but they won't apply to WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Sure, SD cards are not a benefit without being able to access them... but that doesn't make the whole situation any better - no file system access sucks, whether it's with or without SD cards.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
All I'm saying is, lack of filesystem access is way more important of a limitation than SD cards, I just don't understand why so many people are focusing on the latter.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
That's right, of course.

I could certainly live without SD cards, if there was fsa.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kholk:
Technically, the FS can be opened, Microsoft has only copied Apple in strategy.

.........|Locks......|DiskSpace|Functionality|UserExperience|MultiTasking|

WP7S.|FS,Apps...|All-In-One|Good.............|Cool+Simple....|Yes............|

iPhone|FS,Apps...|All-In-One|Good.............|Cool+Simple....|Yes(3.0)....|

WM6.5|FullControl|ROM+SD..|Exceptional..|OldStyle.........|Yes.............|

As you can see.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
In the context of how WP7 operates, what would file system access allow you to do? We know what it does for WM, but what would it do for WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 General] kholk:
Exactly the same things.

I really don't understand this step backward.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
What if I install a bookreader (from marketplace, in a fully legal way)? I want to add a book there - how do I do it? Have you seen the iPhone "solution" of this problem?

Or, I go to a web site and there's documentation I want to download, zipped. How do I go about getting it?

I think you get the idea.

I find the necessity to use the web as the only medium for transferring files between your devices (a phone and a PC) incredibly silly. Is it just me?
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Aren't files automatically wedded to their associated apps? It appears this way in Office. Each app had it's compatible files available to it. In that regard, why wouldn't your ".zip" app have access to your downloaded file?
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
You would use iFile from Cydia to navigate to the directory containing the zip file downloaded, click on the file and choose extract. That would create automatically a sub directory for the unzipped files. You then click on the file using iFile again. If the unzipped item is a video it will play right away, if it is a picture file, it will be displayed. If it is a MP3 music, music will play, etc.

I should be sleeping already or else I'll be too tired for tomorrow's golf.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
My examples were refering to WP7, not iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vcespon:
There are many situations where you need full access to files, with their extension and all. For example when a file is sent to you on a non "Microsoft considers it standard" format, or with the extension changed to avoid it being filtered by the antivirus of the company.

I need the device to do the things I want, I'm the master, not the opposite. Yes, I need to download that .zi_ file, I know what it is, it's important information from a customer i need to see NOW. I don't want Microsoft to treat me like a 3 year old child. Maybe I want to copy images to a folder that's not "my pictures", or what ever.

If you want to use a $600 MP3 player, OK. There are $100000 iPhones too. But we're in 2010 boys, we have been using personal computers for years with full filesystem access, copy&paste, install from CD/disk/Internet, telnet, FTP, RDP, SSL, Divx, FLAC, Flash... why would we not want the same on portable device?

Because something can go wrong, some program fail? Hell, then throw all personal computers away. Let's use "thin clients", with java applications hosted on "the cloud" and only Disney approved content.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I don't think you see the scale of the disaster. There is simply no such thing as a downloaded file in this paradigm because there is no way to save it anywhere. And there is no way for the OS to know what's inside that zip while it's on the server, so there's no way to know in advance which application will use it. Yes, there are ways to transfer files to the phone using desktop sync software a la itunes, but that works only for built in applications, not for that third party bookreader. You really need to try that on the iPhone to see how it sucks.

Jailbreaking solves the problem in most cases, but lack of file system access still causes problems and inconveniences when official apps don't even have the functionality to add files.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Well, I won't debate your need for fs access. I just don't see why file association wouldn't allow you access to any file from within it's associated app.

You are assuming WP7 will do things exactly like iPhone. That's probably not an accurate assumption given that all details of WP7 are not even released.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Once again, it's rumoured that the sandbox approach will be abandoned in the coming OS. MS should directly avoid the sandboxing of file directories to give itself advantage over iPhone. It is not going to be good enough just matching iPhone. That won't persuade people like me to return to MS. For me to cone back, MS must be BETTER than Apple. Having multitasking is a good way to start.

Developers will wonder why they would develop fir a phone with uncertain customer market size given how far iPhone and Android have moved ahead. With functions reminding people of iPhone version 1, I simply can't see mass migration from iPhone to WP7s.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vcespon:
Many programmers have already stated that they will stop developping for Windows Mobile. I have 2 or 3 programs I'll miss, they exist only for WM 6.x. Most programmers will develop for iPhone, due to it's big user base, and high amount of app sales. Other will develop for Android, since it's the choice for veterans / experienced users.

There's no way anyone will replace an iPhone with a WP7 device, with WP7 in it's current state. NO WAY. What would you gain? There are hundreds of thousands of apps for iPhone, for everything. Many companies are developing services that are intended exclusively for the iPhone.

If iPhone 4G has a 4", 800x480 screen, snapdragon, 512 MB RAM and 5 mpix cam (which would be the logical move for Apple), it will blow away any other Smartphone. For many people smartphone = iPhone, you're not going to convince them of the opposite.

Yes, some users that want/need more of a phone (a miniature personal computer with everywhere access to Internet) and understand hardware and software enough to make a informed choice. But 90% of the people just buys an iPhone without knowing how much RAM it has or whether you can copy files to it o thether your computer through it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
So will wp7s end up like palm pre? Slowly vanishing?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I think what really going to push for a move to WP7 is really having xbox live on a moble device. You have 23 million prospects right there. Anyone with a xbox360 that wants a smart phone will no doubt go with a WP7 over a Iphone just because of that.

And as log as they have a great AD Campaign like Windows 7 did I believe it will recieve equal success.
[Windows Phone 7 General] evildarknight:
thats the main reason why wm7 seemd like a downgrade to me for me the next step should have been xpphone-like pdas
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
The problem is with putting that file on the device. See, you can't just copy it to the "associated app" folder because you don't have access to it. You can't use the syncing mechanism either because it works only for built-in apps. The way iPhone apps work around it (without jailbreaking) is by building in a browser control so you need to download files directly from within the app. It's a PITA for many cases. To transfer books from my phone to my wife's iPhone I had to install a web server on my HD2.

I'm not assuming it, it's written in the developer documentation in plain English. Things may change but there's no indication that they will. If they will, I'll only be happy.

Many also stated they'll develop apps for WP7 even if they won't use it. With the dev tools released, only the laziest will not do it. Also, with no competition at the start it's a great way to try to make some easy money. You'll get thousands of fart apps there in no time, I'm sure. If you look at the famous 150K iPhone apps you'll see that tens of thousands of them aren't even apps really, there are thousands of books and videos wrapped inside "applications", and thousands of pseudo apps which are just clients to browse certain web sites. These are complete no-brainers.

For what it's worth, my wife will. She's tired of the iPhone, and everybody and their dog has it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
There's just not a enough screen space on phones for full desktop OS's to run with finger friendliness. Hell they are barely stylus friendly right now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] evildarknight:
agreed but at least we would have a progressing roadmap instead of a regressing one
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Very, very true and wise words.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Better hardware, MAYBE. The iPhone has always been lacking behind at least half a year in terms of hardware (except for the touchscreen).

But that may already change this June (especially since Apple has to fight phones like the Evo).

If it does, there's really nothing left that speaks for WP7S.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Evo is on Sprint so it'll have the fate of the Pre. It's not a threat to the iPhone to the slightest degree. Generally I doubt that more than 5% of iPhone users know anything about the hardware inside their phones, and more than 3% can avoid "true believer syndrome" when looking at even such obvious hardware parts as the screen which was excellent in 2006 (or was it 7?) but sucks these days. Have you ever noticed the blueish hue on the iPhone screen when you look at it at an angle from below? I have yet to find an iPhone user who can admit he sees it (while everybody else does). I'm sure this way of dealing with cognitive dissonance will leave many psychologists busy for quite a while.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
I have! It's funny, I just mentioned that in the other thread! :D:D:D

True. I don't get it. At least some of them noticed the hairline cracks and the unusual amount of scratches, due to the very cheap materials used.

But they already noticed that on the 3G, yet Apple reused the same cheap materials for the 3GS. They really rely on their reality distortion field. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Why would such a change be made at THIS stage ? Doesn't sound believable. Or were you talking about iPhone 4.0?

MS'es target demographic for WP7 could care less. You aren't their demographic. Your demographic doesn't have enough market value. That's why they are going to support WM 6.x for "years to come" :D ;)

Android ahead of what? :confused: :p

Blackberry is king of the hill (in the US) with iPhone following behind. WP7 has enough appeal to build market share which in return will attract even more developers. It's a snowball effect.

No one but geeks will notice the similarities. On the surface, WP7 looks like a completely different concept. The big word GUI alone will differentiate it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Yeah, big dopey ass blocks. That's like trying to sell Atari graphics in a Xbox market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
It worked for Wii :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
ewww

Novelty lasts about a year.

It took about a year for the Nintendo president to make an angry statement: (in crazy Japanese language) "WHY IS NO ONE MAKING GAMES FOR THE WII!!!!!!!"

Because your dumbass didn't upgrade the graphics/resolution to the standards of the other systems. Instead you make a bubbly popcorn rainbow f*ggy system that instantly allows everyone to call any man playing it a f*cking f*g.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
What's any of that got to do with Wii's success ? They've even got old folks buying that thing...:D

The main demographic is not going to be concerned with such technical details just as they weren't with iPhone's shortcomings. People are mostly concerned with how well the device operates and what type of ecosystem exists.

Hardcore techies will have to stick with WM6.x since MS will still be supporting it. Or they can jump to the other sinking boat of Android...;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
It has to do with who I can make fun of.

Would I be friends with a male that chooses a Wii over XBox 360? Nope. No thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
Would we be friends with you? Nope, no thanks. With good reason.
[Palm Treo 750] batch2000:
Anyone can help download this updater?

Updater 1.24 (Windows Installer) Treo 700wx for Verizon

sorry I can't post outside link, so there's only the name of the updater.

Or PM me a Verizon Serial number.

thanks.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ChrisAC84:
I have tried and it worked when I used the nandroid backup, but when I do a factory reset/data wipe it loads past the G1 boot, then my second splash screen loads, after a few minutes it freezes then the screen goes blank. I have to remove the battery to turn it off. I am trying to sell it to upgrade my phone, but nobody is gonna buy it when it won't come on, lol. I have tried flashing the ROM again, I have tried formatting the SD card, and still get nothing:confused:

EDI: Nevermind, got it fixed;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Blackman778g:
how did you fix it? My G1 does this all the time and its annoying.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dedge10:
I have the same broblem LG GT540 updated to 2.1android blank screen on bootup, help pls, Have contacted LG and they said it sounds like a bad flash, and to do it again if it will not then do a factory reset and reflash, noe that dont work just says "I have the latest version no need to update"Hmmmm what to do
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] SiL3nTKiLL:
whatd u do to fix it?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dedge10:
I would like to that as well , Think i will end up taking it bakc to shop
[HD2 General] handfish:
Hi,

I bought a miniUSB to microUSB converter cable from ebay the other day. I connected the cable with a conventional miniUSB cable and then plug it into my hd2. As soon as I plug the USB cable to my computer's USB port, the hd2 went off and can't be turned on by pressing any button. I thought that it was a general Windows Mobile issue so decided to press on the red reset button to soft reset the phone. Pressing the reset button has no effect. So I took out the battery, waited for a minute or 2, put it back and then turned on the phone by pressing the power button. The phone was switched on and I was relieved (well, only for a few minutes). The phone seems to be working ok - phone, internet, etc. Then I tried to connect the phone to my computer using the _original_ HTC microUSB cable and it didn't work :(. I then tried to charge the phone using the same HTC cable with the HTC wall charger - didn't work as well. So, the end result is that, I suspect, the USB port is probably short-circuit by the crappy miniUSB to microUSB converter.

My hd2 is on its way back to the repair centre (1 month without my hd2!). Hopefully they don't notice the hspl I've got on it (it is running an official 1.66 rom though, just the spl was changed). I wanted to put the original spl back but the battery had gone flat and I can't charge it!

Anyone has tried to those miniUSB to microUSB converter cables? I want it because I have too many miniUSB cables sitting at home doing nothing. Guess I should have bought new microUSB cables instead of buying those converters.

Well, if HTC doesn't repair it because it has hspl on, then I guess I am stuffed. Or, really? A good excuse to get the Desire?! I suppose it would be expensive to get the motherboard replaced...
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Sorry to hear that. It's a luck issue really. If they balk, have them send it back, buy a battery charger for a few dollars on ebay, put on SPL, and send it back*! But it'll take even longer :/

*Note, I don't know if this actually works, but it's being proposed in the other thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=647043
[HD2 General] mstephenson:
I bought one of these converters a couple of weeks ago from e-bay as well. Touch wood I haven't had any problems with mine but after reading your experience I might just get another micro usb charger.

Hope everything works out for you!
[HD2 General] kilrah:
They WILL notice, as from other reports it looks they're being pretty strict about that now. When will people learn to restore SPL first thing before being out of battery when there's a problem, or to buy a $10 charger/extra battery to do it before wasting money and time on sending an HSPLd phone in, especially when there have been several threads about it very recently... :(

And avoid Chinese $1 adapters, chargers and microusb cables if you don't have equipment to check them... they don't do any QC and many are faulty. I have one of them microUSB cables, it crashes my desktop PC when I plug it in, even if it works fine on the laptop. Plus it has so huge resistance that charging with it takes twice as long.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] koky72:
Kindly i need Flamerise theme for WM 6.5.X that i searched for

With no success.

Thanks
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] nanoware:
anyone got this? i can not find this anywhere....
[Nexus One General] bananaslug:
Hope this isn't a dumb question i searched it couldn't find anything..

I used shapewriter on my G1 and liked it a lot for when i was too lazy to use my keyboard and want to get it on my nexus one, but when i downloaded it and enabled it under keyboards nothing happened.

I thought this could be an issue with shapewriter so i reinstalled, re-enabled and still didnt work. I then tried getting a random keyboard (handcent keyboard) to see if it worked, it also didnt work... anyone know what can be causing this?

Oh and I am using an SD card that i used on my G1 that ran cyanogen but i removed my ext3 partition
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Long press on a text field.

Mods feel free to close the thread. (Next time use the search button or Google.)
[HD2 General] lbhocky19:
in one of the t mobile forums someone said that the us version of hd2 would come with hardspl2 and that we would have to wait to flash roms until it was cracked.

has anyone heard anything of this? i definetly want to upgrade to a 6.5.5 rom immediately as ive gotten used to it on my touch pro.