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[HD2 General] Tanmay®:
To those people who hate WP7, are you outta of your freaking minds!

Have you even seen the quality of Applications on current WM platform! They totally suck. Just compare them to Apps from iPhone or Android and you'll see how totally ridiculous Apps for WM6.5 are!

WP7 is gonna be a success not for just its UI but for its Application support. By controlling the H/W MS is maintaining a standard quality for Apps.

If not WP7S I'd totally prefer Android on the HD2, WM6.5 just makes the amazing piece of hardware look bad!

I'd bought the HD2 after HTC confirming WP7 for HD2, now that it won't Im left totally disappointed!
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
Not very bright of you (considering it never happened...).
[HD2 General] _JuSteR_:
Do u think it will be possible to "unofficially" use WP7 on HD2? Or is there no way to do that? :confused:
[HD2 General] onejay09:
htc release hd2 on tmo with win mo 7?

just read on a website that htc will be releasing there usa version of htc leo (hd2) with win mo 7, maybe the rom could help get it working?
[HD2 General] addicus:
Link or death! I expect we will be watching your funeral on youtube.
[HD2 General] onejay09:
sorry gusy had a five minute limit on posting lol

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[HD2 General] nsx_23:
Can you explain how eliminating functions like copy-and-paste and denying external memory card access can have an adverse effect on the quality of apps? ;)

I don't doubt the new applications for WP7S will be good when the platform is up and running, but I'm failing to see how some of the restrictions Microsoft have put in place for the new OS does anyone any good.

A lot of small things here and there can add up quickly.
[HD2 General] turt:
Your links leads to "original source" being http://www.gadgetfolder.com/t-mobile-usa-htc-hd2-brings-1gb-of-rom-more-ram-and-get-wm7.html

Then their source is a htc page where you can read:

:o
[HD2 General] appoggio:
We will not have officialli WM7?!?

Fine... who te f**k cares since we got chefs?

By the way, I love WM6.5.x... it rocks and it's open.. and our programmers will get the best outta it!
[HD2 General] Tanmay®:
@nsx_23 :Yes you're point is correct, I simply fail to understand why MS is not adding Copy-Paste from start. Thats really lame of them.

But the fact remains that the quality and quantity of applications will definately be a lot better than what its now with this new model.

For one the min H/W req. is not so min. which sets a performance bar for Applications.

2ndly Applications can and will have a much better UI from now on. That is very rare with current WM. Hardly very few applications have a rich UI. This is why I feel people with WM 6.5 are going to be felt left behind including me.

With Windows Phone 7 its like you buy a Phone, and you're guaranteed a smooth experience for min 2yrs! You're guaranteed that the phone you buy now, will run and support applications built 2yrs in the future with acceptable performance. Ex. the iPhone 2G, it was launched 3yrs back and it still runs 99% of the Apps very smoothly!

Had us HD2 owners been confirmed for a WP7S upgrade it would've been totally awesome for us. We're not and thats why I and many others feel very frustrated.
[HD2 General] appoggio:
I can't understand where's the problem?

We will not have it officially... and ok... but even the old Diamond didn't had WM6.5 officially but our chefs was able to port it!

So where's the problem if our chefs will be able to port it on the HD2?

We will STILL have the best smartphone on the market
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
no backwards compitability means very hard to get some things working like camera
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
Different netCF version right, so porting will be very, very difficult.

@Tanmay - I too am annoyed we won't be getting all the new apps, but then when I balance that against all the little restrictions, I'll just use WM6.5 for now.

If HTC won't be releasing a W7 upgrade, then at least releasing an official 6.5.5 update would be nice.
[HD2 General] appoggio:
let's reason a little...

how can be difficult if new hardware got more or less the same specs of the HD2? I mean same processor, sam graphic chip etc?

Different CF? So? New programming style but I don't think that good programmers will take too much time to create ad hoc drivers for the HD2.

However I just wrote an manacing e-mail to HTC... :D:D:D

Come on guys... I REALLY BELIEVE in our chefs... they can make miracles!
[HD2 General] Tanmay®:
God hope you're right!!!
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
We have some great people, I am sure they can do something. Plus we have android on the way, so the HD2 is not going to die easily, maybe have a 2nd or 3rd lease on life.

We just have to support these guys and help them out, not whine and ***** about things.
[HD2 General] appoggio:
Guys that has been able to run basically Android on the HTC Touch Diamond 2 are able to do EVERYTHING.

So I trust 'em all...

And just send a nice ******* to ******* Microsoft and ******* HTC that tried to doom our beloved phone...

Frankly I don't care because if there will ever be a better phone than the HD2 I'll sell this one and switch to the new one like I did a month ago with my 7 month old HTC Touch Diamond 2 but... HELL this machine is THE BEAST so why don't develope on it? because it got 5 hardware keys? Really? so **** off...

MOD EDIT - Offensive language removed. Consider this first and last warning
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
chefs here are not developing any thing new in their roms they only mix applications from different phones ,make new themes and icons ,do some easy tweaks ,etc

we need a true programming expert to make drivers for wp7 ( which is not avaliable in this forum ) they have been trying to make a graphics driver for htc phones for years and they only achived un noticable difference ,so developing drivers for wp7 will take ages not only years with the bad level in programing in this forum ,iam not saying iam good ,only what iam saying that we leaks good programmers
[HD2 General] appoggio:
so start... if you never start you'll never finish :D:D:D

kidding... I got what you said...
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
What do you suppose we do then? Wait for a Jesus Coder to come here and solve all our problems? NO!

You really don't understand the hard work that goes into everything. These people on here do this as a hobby, on their spare time. Its not their job, and this is a community and a community gets together to try and make something great. You may not see development, but I do. This place wouldn;t be as great as it is if people like you ran this place.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i understand the big effort going on here but you said it (not there job ) so without big donations for them no thing will go right ,as development needs money and time
[HD2 General] ~~Tito~~:
Thats where the community comes in.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i have an idea may be we can make a thread in the rom develpment with a donation link named after (wp7 and android development) and collect donations for developers and make this donations managed by the xda web site management to never be given for a person who never deserves it (just an idea ,i don't know if this kind of threads is legal or not here
[HD2 General] ctohang:
Never buy the Fxxking WM/WP Device from Microsoft!!!!!
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
OK so HD2 wont be getting upgraded. I have (bitterly) accepted this. But why is microsoft releasing ads which use the HD2 to advertise WP7????

Check out the phone that the dad is using at 37 through 50 second mark in this promo:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ5gpMf2--w&feature=player_embedded

Looks like the HD2 to me. :mad:
[HD2 General] young blade:
Yep.. Looks 100000% HD2 to me...

see atached picture..
[HD2 General] laxity:
That is NOT the HD2. The phones shown in that video are a mix of the following two test/development phones :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBOFIbAddcY&feature=related

and

http://www.windowsphone7series.com/
[HD2 General] Nightwish2:
I don't quite understand poeple being angry about Microsoft oder HTC for HD2is not getting an upgrade. Did someone promise you that, I mean someone in charge? Or was it just wishing from the first moment..?

And if you don't like the HD2 the way it is now, why did you buy it becuase WP7 is something way different to anything that makes the caracter of the HD2.

Personally I don't think WP7 is a step ahead for the grafics nor the interface, it might be for system architecture, but that isn't bothering me as a customer. I want to have functioning Interface and if it's eye-candy as well the better. WP7 as far as I've seen it is none of these 2.

If you like WP7 that much get a theme for HD2 or go for another phone but don't blame anyone else than yourselve for buying it an and now unnessecerely throwing it away already.
[HD2 General] young blade:
If you

know your HD2

verry well you'll see thats a HD2..

I've atached a pic in my previous post... look at the corners of the phone...:cool:
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
Nightwish2 -- if you don't understand why people are cranky, then read one of the elegantly expressed posts in this thread which explains the problem. Here is one example but there are many others.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5892354&postcount=75

I am glad that you are happy with a dead OS on your cutting edge device. I am unhappy about it. Each to their own.
[HD2 General] Nightwish2:
This explains what ways marketing goes nowadays, but everybody should now that in the meantime. No such tech device lasts more than one or max. two years before its completely outdated. Nobody can change this nor keep business firms from following the market or what pays most..

Here in this forum there is more going on regarding improvement of software than anywhere on the market. If you here chose to leave the HD2 with its WM6.5 alone then you are to blame as much for making the the HD2 an outdated device as Microsoft or the business firms..
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
I am not sure what point you are trying to make here. You are right that XDA is the best support point for our phones. However, compare the quantity of high quality games and programs available for WM6.5 as opposed to any modern mobile system. I still love XDA, but it can not hope to be a replacement for the program base of Android, OSX or WP7S (in 12 months).

I am also confused why people are reacting so defensively about people being cranky with Microsoft. We believe that MS screwed us. If you don't agree - not a problem. But I cant understand why there is so much agression coming from people who are "happy" with WM6.5.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
Microsoft was never out to 'screw' anyone. The decision to abandon the older windows mobile devices and make big moves forward with WP7 was necessary to ensure they remain competetive in the mobile market place. WP7 is only as promising as it is because they've chosen to re-envision their mobile OS completely from the ground up....let's face it, the OS is only as good as the hardware that runs it. By trying to cater to the hardware of older Windows Mobile devices, Microsoft would inevitibly be inhibiting how much they could have they could do with WP7.

And even the HD2 does have hardware limitations beyond the 5 button layout that make it incompatible for WP7...The HD2, for instance, does not support 4 point multi-touch...any applications that were designed around 4 point multi-touch would not function properly on the HD2.

A lot of people complain about the closed nature of WP7, and the reliance on Windows' version of the App store to install apps...but this method of app distribution is favorable not only to most consumers...more importantly, its favorable to software developers. The relative ease in which a consumer can access a virtual store via their mobile device and install an application with the touch of a button is attractive to software developers. This is a very ideal distribution model is ideal from a marketing perspective.

This is why Apples app store is so successful...and this is why the quality of the Apps on the iPhone and now Android are at the level they are. A lot of the same complaining happened when the App store was first announced after a year of the hacker community had been bringing unofficial apps to the iPhone. 2 years later, the quality of the Apps has increased pretty significantly and people are generally happy.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
just stop , and who told you that hd2 doesnot support 4point multitouch
[HD2 General] Nightwish2:
I don't think that I am acting agressive. What I want to say is that you cannot blame either microsoft nor HTC for the HD2 will not have an update to WP7. Nobody ever ensured this, the only thing where rumors and that is your own risk to believe'em or not.

Of course on long sight you can't not mainly relay on XDA Dev Forum as a source of App a.s.o. but it will longer the lifetime of the HD2 for some months if everybody sticks with it and not wanders off..
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
i heard that too, so you are saying this isnt true and the hd2 screen does support it?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i don't know but i want a source to confirm it
[HD2 General] mystik610:
I'm not able to post links yet, but if you google the multi-touch problems Nexus One users are facing, you'll see a bunch of articles referencing the clearpad 2000 capactive touch-screen being the culprit. Clearpad 2000 is an older version touch-screen that supports 2 point multi-touch. The newer clearpad 3000 capacitive touch screen supports 10 point multi-touch.

I'm not able to find anything concrete that indiciates that the HD2 uses the clearpad 2000 capactive touch screen, but we do know that other HTC devices do, and given that the Nexus One has a very similar hardware spec to the HD2, and given the fact that the Nexus One was released AFTER the HD2, its more likely that the HD2 is using the clearpad 2000 than not.

Also, Clearpad 3000 was announced in late July of 2009..development kits for Clearpad 3000 were released shortly after. The HD2 was released in October. I suppose its possible that just 4 months after synaptics announced Clearpad 3000 that HTC could have designed, manufactured, and distributed the HD2 with the it, but its highly unlikely.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
but nexus one screen issues not exists at hd2 i saw a app that tracks fingure on screen on youtube and it doesnot have nexus one issues
[HD2 General] mystik610:
The lack of screen issues on the HD2 doesn't indicate that the HD2 supports more than 2 finger multi-touch. The problem with the Nexus one is an incompatability between the software the the hardware....The Nexus one only supports 2 finger multi-touch, while Android and Android apps are built around 4 point multi-touch or higher.

This is a different situation with the HD2, where the native OS (WM 6.5) only supports single touch, and HTC sense is built around 2 touch gestures. Nothing about HTC sense or WM 6.5 require more than a 2 point touch.

I've also seen the hd2 video with the app that tracks the finger. But we only see it track 2 fingers. It still isn't definitive, but there's no reason to believe that the HD2 supports any more than 2 point multi-touch.

Given this fiasco with the Nexus One's multi-touch issues, you can see why Microsoft is so stringent with its hardware requirements for WP7. Most people are pointing the finger at the android software for these multi-touch issues, when its actually a hardware issue.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
if we could find the fingure track app we could test it ourselves
[HD2 General] _JuSteR_:
take a look. HTC HD3 with WP7!

Original Italian Article

ENG translation
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
WP7S doesn't support that resolution yet so unlikely.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
this is made from one's imagination and not htc's concept (this was confirmed)
[HD2 General] _JuSteR_:
I don't think it is so impossible to imagine an HTC HD3 with wp7 full support...
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
no its not but it is however impossible to have a wp7 with that resolution.
[HD2 General] SMS92:
Let's face it - the HD2 isn't going to reach its mass market potential and it'll be a very powerful toy for us geeks. X months to a year down the line, HTC will have deserted any updates/knowledge of this device, but hey - we've all been here before, right? This device will be supported for years by the excellent people here at xda-devs and we'll be able to do whatever the hell we like with it.

It's a crying shame that we can't have a device that 'just works', is supported long term by its creator, etc. but we can always go for an iPhone next time (ha!)

Thank god for this community.
[HD2 General] erosennin:
Looking at the supposedly HD3 and WP7, I'm more than happy sticking to my HD2. They're horrible.

When is Microsoft going to learn how to create a decent UI?
[HD2 General] fallenmonk:
Some may call it convenience , but I think the apple apps store makes people lazy.
[HD2 General] mystik610:
http://www.slashgear.com/windows-phone-7-emulator-hacked-for-full-functionality-1978251/
[HD2 General] Cret:
I appreciate the patronizing and presumptuous response but can you tell me how exactly you've read my mind about what stuff I use the phone for etc?

I've got a phone that is brilliant because it does all of the following and really excels at some things:

Massive hi res screen

Great for video and music

Satnav and compass

Radio

Camera

Super fast cpu

Expandable memory

Good styling

Decent battery life

Torch

Good web browser and email etc

Nice intuitive gui

Zillions of good apps and tweaks

Tell me what exactly it is that we're all suffering from missing out on?

Ok it doesn't have flash big deal. So it might be possible to squeeze a touch more speed out but it's already fast and it's stable.

Is there some functionality that's going to magically appear like teleporter functionality or something? I just don't see what can be that much better unless you have already invented a bunch of new apps that can't new written now.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it is not about the existeance of the main functions it is about how it is being used , and in wp7 it is used in a perfect way
[HD2 General] Archer:
Pah.

The HD2, with WM6.5 and Sense will blow WP7S out of the water... end of.

If you disagree, then you're wrong (<- this only relates to the latter sentance.)
[HD2 General] Cret:
Ok, so what you're saying is that it will do the same things as it does now, but it will do them better.

I can only see three ways that can be accomplished.

1) It does them faster. I doubt this is really going to turn into anything useful (or would, if we were actually getting 7) since it already runs really quick. I've totally loaded mine up with apps and media and it still goes like stink.

2) It does them prettier. That's just a case of having a nice UI. That can be done regardless of the OS, and besides which is an entirely subjective thing anyway. Beauty is in the eye etc.... Add to that there's already a big divide between people saying "OMG look how 1337 7 is, like OMG!" and people saying it looks like something done by a 3 year old using an etch a sketch etc. So this means nothing.

3) Apps that work better or do more. What CAN'T we do at the moment? Besides flash.

I'd wager that near enough anything that can be done on 7 can be done just as well on 6.5, and half the small, really useful free apps & tweaks that we're so used to at the moment may not appear on 7 since MS have locked the ms(i)Phone right down from the look of things. So no real benefit there either.

So you'll have to excuse me being dense but I still genuinely don't see what it is that as 6.5 users we're going to miss out on that's such reason to get all upset about.

Don't get me wrong, I think MS have handle this like arseholes, (pardon the language) and I would like to have had the option myself, but the more I read about it the more I think I wouldn't want it anyway given the way they're ruining the way it 'could' work.

As others have suggested I'm now far more interested in being able to have something cool like a dual boot of Android/6.5.

You'd be better thinking my way anyway, as it will make you less upset about not getting this upgrade. ;)

And the day I see a phone that's "perfect" I'll eat my own head!
[HD2 General] mingkee:
I don't go for WinPhone 7 this time.

No manual application installation (from async/WMDC or memory card) killed it; moreover, it's NOT backward-compatible, that you can't use your favorite Opera 10 with it.
[HD2 General] rickyoon.vegas:
Can we have windows mobile 7 please?

Not windows Phone 7 series.
[HD2 General] :
+1! hahaha :D I don't want a zune, I want sexy sense with windows mobile 7!
[HD2 General] Tanthalas:
Sadly some of you are already talking as if our HD2s are obsolete. It isn't and won't be for another 12 months. We must not forget that this community is what innovates and evolve our phones...it's the whole reason we're here in the first place. Where the manufacturers lack, this community fulfills so we should all have faith in our chefs. Not to mention WP7 isn't going to come bug-free so it will take another couple of months to create a totally stable system. By that time a lot of the people who wanted to switch to a WP7 would be able to doso because you're at the end of your contract and for those who doesn't want to switch...then it doesn't affect you at all. The HD2 is one mighty phone and I still get a lot of 'oooohs' and 'aaaahhs' wherever I whip out my phone! :D
[HD2 General] scottishdude:
i can confirm this as i have a close friend at o2 whos has been playing around with a hd2 with windows phone 7 series on it, he has also confirmed that this is is without the apps store or market place and is a dev kit basicaly, but this is true guys, so it will not be long guys and gals, good stuff,
[HD2 General] Sichroteph:
Faithful for years with previous wm phones, i felt abandoned by ms with that story. Ok I have a recent phone, but With a no future system. I mean where that stupid strategy came from ?? How can they dare do that ?

lets face it, I am not alone, a lot of developers are gone.

now I have android in everyday use, I didn't thought before that ms could be so late, and my hd2 so fast. Happy guy here... And absolutely no remorse.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Wow, you can confirm NOW after 5 months (FIVE!) of certainty? You're quick, for sure! :D
[HD2 General] hagba:
And should we care? Lots of people over here with HD2 are migrating to Android already,once have enough time I will start the proccess myself too.Since with the kind of hardware and aesthetic appearance the HD2 is awsome,at least to say,from my prespective.
[HD2 General] wshwe:
Microsoft wants HD2 owners to buy new handsets, not upgrade their HD2s. Of course this strategy can backfire. People could opt for non-Windows phones, especially since WP7 isn't backwards compatible with WM 6.
[HD2 General] ap3604:
+1

If you ever wonder whether you phone will get upgraded software just ask yourself these 2 questions:

"Does ________ company want to make money or not?"

"If I get free upgrades am I going to buy a new phone?"
[HD2 General] np231:
WMP7S and HD2

Hey guys, I am personally not a big fan of WMP7S interface, I don't think it will be that quick for browsing around the phone anyway... I think I like HD2 interface better....

that being said I really want to ask other ppl that do we know if the applications that developers will create for WMP7 will be backwards compatible with WM6.5?

I mean look at the post here:

Windows Phone 7 applications special - the latest buzz http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7_applications_special__the_latest_buzz-news-1512.php

I mean if there is a way we can use the apps without actually putting WMP7 on HD2 then I will be the happiest person in the world..

Can someone confirm if we can put WMP7 applications on the HD2 or not? I mean the applications that they showed off look really nice and apparently they released a developer's tool package free download for other ppl to develop the apps.... I personally don't know anything about developing but to someone who does know does it look like we can may be use those WMP7 apps on HD2 with WM6.5?...