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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Archer:
The title is very misleading

The title suggests I can be playing any Xbox 360 game, online against my mates, then simply pick up my phone and carry on. This is exactly what Microsoft want - people spreading incorrect rumours that they themselves are not responsible for.

There will be

some

games that you can play on the Xbox 360 and then continue to play on your phone, but it will only be games that are designed to do this. This will not include the big blockbusters. As it's already been pointed out in this thread, it is simply not possible to play a fully fledged 1st person shooter (a real one - not some pretend one) on a touchscreen, with full control. It's taken years for the console developers to come up with the current controllers, and they can't be replaced with 2 thumbs on a touchscreen.

If I'm wrong and it turns out that a future rendition of Call of Duty does work on WP7, then I take all this back and thoroughly look forward to sitting at my console and seeing you online on your phone, because you won't stand the slightest chance.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zarpy:
not misleading at the time was posted but there have been changes

Yes when this was 1st posted Microsoft had said that you be able to play mulit-player against other players. Now that everything is finalized Microsoft has said games made with XNA will be able to be played online against XBOX players. The title has truth I never said any game . Honestly I myself wont be developing for windows phone7 , I stick to 6.5 because I dont see too many people buying this new phone.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Archer:
Same here mate. I'll be on WM6.5 until my contract runs out (early next year) and then I'm on Android.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] firetiger:
How bout looking at iphone games first before making silly comments? NOVA on iphone is an extremely good game with great controls.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Archer:
That wasn't a silly comment.

These games may look good, but they are not of the level of games on a console platform. That particular game has 1 analog stick for both movement and looking. This will never please a real gamer. Consider that a modern day console has 2 analog sticks, a direction pad, 4 main buttons, 4 front buttons, and the 2 sticks can both be used as buttons as well as moving and looking, at the same time! That's too much to put on a touchscreen, so a phone will never be as good as a console. It's literally a completely different market.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] crazemaster123:
it might be possible

it is not an impossible idea just take a look at apple's iphone many game developers had made games that are FPS. in fact there was call of duty in iphone that is fps .... Futhermore i think that the introdution of wp7, is an all out plan of windows to thrash and remove apple in the market.....
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Zepiii:
COD2 on my HD2 :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIfUALmav4E

:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FiyaFleye:
I can promise if you try to play like that against a player on a 360 console, you will be dismantled, and you will be embarrassed....It just isn't possible to place them on the same level or even expect them to be. In the time it takes you to switch to the sights, I would have killed you 22 times...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zarpy:
Let use common sense

Let use our balls here for a moment. Obviously the current games made wont be online multi-player. The online games that are comming are games made from XNA4.0 studios. Those games made will be cocked to windowsphone7,PC windows,and Xbox. Not the games that are already made . Does anyone still not understand , yes the games obviously will be simpler than the ones currently made so they will be fair.But they wont suck.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Archer:
Exactly. I think it's fair to say, they'll be more like iPhone games :p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zarpy:
thoughts

Anyone else have thoughts on the matter.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] djellenar:
wELL WELL SAID, ITS WHAT i WOULD HAVE WROTE WORD FOR WORD!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] NCHEVYHEVN:
I noticed the other day that my normal HTC volume control was gone and replaced by and uglier version. I've never seen this before so I'm assuming this is maybe the regular windows volume control? Either way I would love to get my normal one back but I'm not sure what I installed to do it. Any ideas without going through alot of trouble?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Simc13:
Here it is! Middle of march! Where the f***k is an official update?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] JBNAquatics:
HTC is going to get shot because there's another rumor that it won't be out til mid April.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Broken:
Surprised??? HTC doesn't have a very good track record for firmware releases.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Javierinnn:
????

Why has this thread been started anyway???
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sharpinho:
Agreed. Its not the middle of March, its 12th March. And in what HTC statement have they said a release will be delayed? Have patience...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Simc13:
Have patience 3/4 year!? "Its not the middle of March, its 12th" Omg! Sorry, the middle of the March is exactly 15,5th March. WTF! This thread has been started cos HTC is playing with us. Open your eyes people!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sharpinho:
So why don't you put a 2.1 ROM on your phone in the meantime? There are loads of good ROMs recently released that are based on the Eris or Legend dumps. There are also loads of guides on how to root and how to flash. Thats what I've done and I am satisfied.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] zombiefly:
you didn't actually expect it to come in Mid March did you?

I've learnt to take these things with a pinch of salt, HTC are too busy pushing out new phones to be bothered with us early HTC adopters.

Play with some 2.1 ROMs in the meantime, althought quite why we need so many is beyond me. Devs should combine features instead of competing with each other.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Simc13:
I have put a lot of 2.1 ROMs on my phone currently i am running VillainROM 3.3 and its very good.

But this is not a point of this thread. i am angry on htc and their rumors.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] DanPratt:
Well yeah actually, the middle of March is the 15th!!! So... HTC have still time to release it, and if they do, then this is a wasted thread!

If you beleive that HTC are really 'playing' with you, then don't bother with your phone, sell it and buy something else... maybe one that never gets updated?!?:rolleyes:

Relax and wait for it, I'm sure it will be worth it. There are plenty of 2.1 Roms to try already. We are all eager to see the official release... you're not alone.:D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] R0iZ:
These Roms have a diff bugs :(
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Simc13:
http://www.htcheroblog.com/2010/03/...cHeroBlog+(HTC+Hero+Blog)&utm_content=Brizzly
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sharpinho:
I'm using behnaam's latest Legend ROM 1.3.1 and its ok for me at the moment - I haven't found any real bugs that stop me enjoying Android 2.1 until the official release.

But I'm afraid that no matter how much we complain here or to HTC, its not going to change anything. HTC will release the update when it is ready. If they feel a release needs to be delayed they will delay it. Threads like this will not change things.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Simc13:
Thread closed!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sharpinho:
I think you've answered your own point here:

HTC Sweden that says the Android 2.1 release is not “set in stone” and expect it “around April”

HTC have never set a release date in stone, and so we'll have to wait for them. As I said, no matter how much we complain, it won't change things.

And yes, mods please close this thread, its pointless.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] R0iZ:
The low mic don't annoying you? After using GPS, device non sleep, not annoying you?

Anyway it's an offtop here...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mobby0411:
does anyone know if live wallpapers will be included in the update for hero ? becuase to be perfectly honnest why is everyone so excited about 2.1 the changes are so insignificant i dont personally care the only real cool change would be live wallpapers for me :D i mean even the new legend port all it has is friend stream extra,home pinch and word search ?? other than than its more or less the same as a stock hero sense rom whats the big deal ???
[Hero, G2 Touch General] HomerSp:
Did you test the 2.1 roms that are out now? They are so much faster than stock 1.5, that's the main reason why I'm looking forward to the official release.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] idroid84:
Calm down, they will release an update when finished. I don't think it's HTC who spread news on the Internet. It's people who spread rumors. ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] dipje:
I really don't believe all the whining, what the hell?

1) It isn't even 'the middle' of March yet, if you're going to be day exact.

2) if someone _would_ say 'middle of march' I never _ever_ saw people starting to complain the moment the '15th' hit and the promised thing wasn't there. Must be something specific to Hero users I think.

3) The most official statement we ever got (and the only one, forgot all the 'february' crap rumours that started somewhere) said 'in march', not the middle. Regional Director HTC Benelux called it 'medio maart' in dutch, which translates to something like 'somewhere in march'.

I really can't believe the hate posting that starts _every_ _single_ _time_ again, primarily on XDA, but also on HTCPedia and MoDaCo. Do people have nothing better to do than wait for a software for their phones?!?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] dipje:
And couldn't resist to say something about this: 2.1 got released one of the first weeks of january, the SDK a few weeks before that. How did you wait 3/4 year for this??
[Hero, G2 Touch General] hyriand:
From what I remember, HTC originally said 1H 2010 for the 2.1 release. After that a couple of providers gave different timeframes but there's no way of knowing what they based their estimates on. Some people somehow turned 1H 2010 into Christmas 2009 for whatever reason and then got mad at HTC for not releasing it then.

Please don't punish HTC for not living up to unfounded rumours.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mobby0411:
yes speed also an advantage but are there any physical changes that would really make a difference because im struggling to see what all the fuss is about and yes im currently running BeHero 1.31 LENGENDARY EDITION and it has a few slight changes other than the stock rom i had to start with ?

maybe its just me been narrow minded because all i want is live wallpapers ?

and before anyone says i have tried all the custom roms with live wallpapers aHero ect and the live wallpapers basically dont work ! lol :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] MerXury13:
wake up: Live wallpapers won't work! They are not working on the htc legend! The would need 2 much resources!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] dipje:
Then get a Nexus One, Live Wallpapers are (probably) not going to be in the official 2.1 update. The Hero (and indeed even the Legend) aren't devices to handle them.

The only Live Wallpapers that would work on an official 2.1 ROM are the ones that are also working in AOSP roms right now, the others simply require 3d-hardware acceleration the Hero doesn't have.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] anarchyuk:
I think what the majority of people need to remember is, HTC are under NO obligation to update the firmware/OS at all, as this 2.1 will probably be the last big leap in android for the hero to be released by HTC I would rather they take the time and finish it properly and iron out the flaws instead of getting a half baked job!!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sharpinho:
Spot on! I'd rather wait a few more weeks, even a month for a solid, bug free release that will make my hero run like its supposed to.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ruizit0:
lol this is just rumours from people... not HTC .. someone lauch a rumour on a blog or something and all the community goes after lol...

first it was in feb .. when was feb there was a new rumour that will be in march...

now is march and there is a new rumour that will be in april http://bit.ly/cYEh2C lol...

and when we reach april guess what ? new rumour :D lol

its sad but its the reality ...

no more updates from htc .. buy the new legend or root your phone :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nysos:
Completely agree. And they could just as well have not planned any 2.1 release for the Hero at all to entice customers to buy the Legend or Desire phones instead which do have 2.1..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] irispen:
THERE WILL BE a 2.1 update on HERO, HTC already said it on MWC 2010.

It will be out before July 2010 (1st half of the year)

The Feb-March-April thing are just rumors.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] G8D:
Oh wow. Ungrateful people piss me off.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Well, I bought my Hero in January, because I had to get a new phone (my old one finally died) quickly. I chose it over competitors with 2.0 because I liked the design but especially because there was an upgrade announced. I won't change my phone now. I just bought it. And most people don't switch their phones just after 9 months, only the uber tech nerds do that. So I don't know what they are hoping for. Most people who bought the hero after they released the update-announcement will not buy the Legend, just because it's newer. Hell I know people who are still buying the Hero now, although the Legend is about to roll out. Oh and the price difference is negligible. for 100 $ more you get a better phone (compact unibody, optical mouse, better cam, flash, fm radio, sense 2.1 with features only for the legend so the legend 2.1 will have more than the hero 2.1), though it is not strikingly much better. The idea that everyone will just buy a Hero instead of a Legend as soon as they release the 2.1 update is ridiculous. Even if more people buy the Hero now, they'll get their stock supply of Heros empty, which is a good thing. Those people who like the Legend will by the legend and those who don't buy the Hero (as long as they have em), it's as easy as that.

I'm not terrible impatient... the update will come at some point. What htc don't get though, is, that making clear statements keeps customers happy and loyal. This guy in the Hero Blog comments has it right... look at Apple and its following, it's freekingly loyal. Htc wouldn't do bad to get the same loyalty from their customers. They provided us with vague update announcements and never said no to any rumors. Why not? Because it's good for them to have rumors like "maybe in one month" all the time. Makes people believe the Hero (or any other device) still is worth its price although it's already more than half a year old.

And one thing: I for one, am not interested in fancy wallpapers or new sense features, I just want them to get the bugs out and implement the new Android 2.1 system (bluetooth send/receive, VPN, entepreise WPA etc.) with its market and SDK features so we can get all the Apps like goggles, google earth etc.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ruizit0:
lol root phone **** htc :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Rooting and flashing custom roms on the phone is the OPPOSITE of getting rid of bugs.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Soaa-:
A have a friend at Telus who confirmed that the update is coming to Telus at the end of March. It may or may not mean an earlier European release.

Just for information, the Telus Hero runs on GSM and can run the same custom ROMs as European Heroes.

I guess this thread just fed four pages of food to a troll. Chill out, people.
[HD2 General] alefsin:
Hi,

The official specs of T-mobile's HD2 says that the supported 3G bands are: WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz

Does it mean it will work on European 2100 MHz 3G too? Nexus one does so I suspect HD2 could too but as far as I could digg nobody had a straight answer to this question yet.

-AlefSin
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
actually i asked HTC CS before, and the answer is NO!

european countries WCDMA frequencies are the same with ASIAN countries. So no chance for European countries either.
[HD2 General] alefsin:
hmmm I don't know JohnQ. In your attached email HTC is saying China's frequencies are different from the rest of the world so how do you say it's the same as Europe? I don't know much about 3G network in China though.
[HD2 General] pa49:
Just a few weeks back it was annoounced that the US operators had all signed up to migrating to the rest of the wold's GSM standards!

So in time we will all be singing from the same hymn sheet!
[HD2 General] alefsin:
Accoridng to Wikipedia, while 3G in China is using the same frequencies as Europe in UMTS-I band, the air interface is different (TD-SCDMA vs TD-CDMA).

(sorry, cannot link to the docs since as junior member cannot embed links yet).
[HD2 General] alefsin:
Wow, that's... odd! It seems US operators cannot even agree whinin US and now they all want to use the rest of world's standards! That's so un-american! :)
[HD2 General] MidnightDraven:
At&T, rogers, etc are all using european 3G frequencies, which is why you can use device from europe on their networks.

T-mobile US uses 1700 & 2100 (one for up stream, one for downstream) which is why it won't work on at&t etc or european frequencies.

The t-mobile 3G phones use both 1700 and 2100 at the same time; and they cant use 2100 seperately on other networks.
[HD2 General] jackxlj:
erm att uses 850/1900,and very few operators use the same,none in Europe use these bands
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
you can check though. google it :D
[HD2 General] wmfreak:
Yes it does!

I've tested mine on a 3G only network (2100mhz) and it works fine. What I mean by "only" is that the Digi Mobil in Romania works only on 2100Mhz.

I hope it helps!

GG
[HD2 General] alefsin:
I did, check post #5 :)
[HD2 General] alefsin:
Well, it seems the answer is negative. I asked HTC:

And they answered:
[HD2 General] alefsin:
But T-mobile's HD2 is not out yet! Are you sure you didn't test European HD2?
[HD2 General] alefsin:
OK things are starting to get weird. I received a negative answer from HTC's customer support but then I found USA T-mobile G1 users that reported their phones were working on 2100 MHz 3G in Europe (G1 like US T-mobile version of HD2 only supports 1700/2100 MHz 3G). I need to buy a phone and these contradictory reports leave me confused :(
[HD2 General] alefsin:
Here is what T-mobile says in the specs sheet of the new HD2:

Isn't it interesting that 2100 Mhz is listed both separately and in with combintaion with 1700 Mhz?
[HD2 General] Johnston411:
nice email address you have in that picture John ;)
[HD2 General] theshowman:
I tested my unlocked TMOUS HD2 in Sweden using 3's network and worked like a charm in 3G
[HD2 General] webvan:
Bit of a bump here as I'm trying to use my unlocked US T-Mobile HD2 with Orange in France and I can't do better than Edge (it went down to GPRS at one point...). I guess it could come down to spotty reception but I do get 3G speeds in my current location with an iPhone 3GS so I'm not so sure...

I'm using the AmericanAndroid ROM, maybe that's why my speed is throttled ;-)
[HD2 General] pashutin:
I am using HD2 T-mobile in Serbia and i have no problem with conection or data speed.

I was on vacation and i didnt use Wifi ,and i used the phone all the time on 3G - the 3G network is incredibly fast, I even think that it is twice as fast as the EU HD2, which I used before..
[HD2 General] webvan:
Thanks, will check again then, maybe bad reception then!
[HD2 General] Mister B:
Check your ROM & Radio versions for known issues linked to 3G connection or week signal reception.

I used my US T-Mo HD2 in UK with Orange SIM 3G & have used it in quite a few European countries & Asia Pacific with no 3G connection issues.

Although I am on a WM6.5.5 ROM ...
[HD2 General] webvan:
Thanks, radio is 2.15.50.14, so a bit later than yours and ROM is AmericanAndroid SD 08/17

Moved around today and I got "H" most of the time so it looks like it was a reception issue yesterday. I did notice I had to initiate a network search again after rebooting my HD2, not sure that's normal.
[HD2 General] Mister B:
Try one of the top reviewed older radios as they may perform better. Many did not rate your 2.15.50.14 very highly.

I know it did not perform well for me, my current radio is best balance I found in term of battery usage & signal performance & has performed well in about 8 countries & about 20 networks ...
[HD2 General] webvan:
Thanks, found it here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=705098 and downloading now.

Done, no longer have WM6.5 on my HD2 though, so will have to dig to figure out how to install it with the Magldr...
[HD2 General] webvan:
ok, 2.12.50.02_2 is not doing it for me, sensitivity doesn't seem better and I got two hard lockups yesterday while it was reconnecting to the network and WiFi seems unstable now (need to disconnect/reconnect to surf). Any other Radio you would recommend? If not I'll go back to 2.15.50.14.
[HD2 General] Mister B:
scan through the thread on radios & try 1 or 2 more of the better ranking radios from the poll.

I will post thread link & some version numbers tomorrow as in middle of flight transfer at moment
[HD2 General] webvan:
Thanks for that, couldn't find a radio poll but found a thread that has links to the radios http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=611787 is that what you had in mind?
[HD2 General] Mister B:
Have a look at this t-mobile radio thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=669733

(not the thread I was looking for but typically can not find it)

A bit of a read here may lead to few radio versions to test.

From my testing I found versions below best out of all I tested (Tested in more than 8 countries & more than 15 networks)

2.10.50.19_2

2.07.50.27_2

current ROM & rilphone version may also relate to radio performance as can HSPL version.

2.12.50.02_2 is best for me & have used this in more than 10 countries without issues so far, battery life, signal reception on all bands has been perfect & with no freexing issues. Only time I shut the device down is to swap a sim at airport arrivals.

Will add a note here on 3G country coverage testing; Have just used it on Hutchinson 3 Hong Kong 3G network fine for 5 days of heavy data use without a glitch 2100Mhz ...
[HD2 General] webvan:
Thanks a bunch, I tried 2.14.50.02 yesterday and it really isn't any better.

At this point, given the good results you are getting, I think I'll try to replicate your ROM+Radio setup to see if there's something else at play. It should be made easier by the fact that I'm running AmericanAndroid from the microSD and have WP7 (that I never use) on the NAND.

Can't find your exact ROM though, would that be it http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=733649&highlight=Energy ?
[HD2 General] Mister B:
Yes but older build as it run better for me ... although latest ROm should be ok for your testing ...

http://nrgz28.sylvester20007.com/Le...9022.Sense2.5.Cookie.2.0.DinikGlass.Jul.04.7z

I though Android for HD2 had known issues with 3G connectivity !
[HD2 General] webvan:
Thanks, will try with that ROM, ran into a few bumps as I reverted from WP7 on the NAND to DFT Android and it doesn't seem to be properly rooted so I can't flash Clockwork Recovery...will try some workarounds.

So are you saying the HD2 has known 3G issues, or that's what you'd read but don't have problems with your current setup?

Thanks again!

UDPATED - ah ok, this is WinMobile 6.5 ROM, hehe...pretty much destroyed my Android setup, but that's ok, I know how to put it back ;-)
[HD2 General] Mister B:
I remember reading a few posts on 3G issues with Android ROMs on HD2.

Yep 6.5, about the closest to a PC in your pocket as you can get.

Not a fan of Android ROMs, none of the Android ROMs are 100% perfect.

Have a Desire if I want play with Android but for my dailly use wm6.5 is the only one that pulls it all off for me ...
[HD2 General] webvan:
Fair enough, was a big fan of WinMo for years (starting when it was called PocketPC in...2001) but have now moved on to iOS and Android...

Ran your ROM briefly and saw the same reception issues where I am currently located and stuck in Edge...although I didn't have your 2.12.50.02_2 radio. Will try it again.