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[Windows Phone 7 General] DexyG:
You guys can ***** and moan as much as you like, but at the end of the day Microsoft will have the last laugh when WP7S is released and Microsoft's market share increases as a result of more normal people thinking "hey, that phone looks cool and easy to use" - much as they did when Android first came out.

Amongst normal people, Windows Mobile has a bad reputation (and rightly so to some extent) for being too complicated, too clunky and too Windows. Normal people don't want a mini computer in their pocket, they want a phone that looks nice, runs cool apps and can send and receive calls and messages without having to do all sorts of random tweaks to get the best performance out of it (I'm looking at you, HD2).

Don't get me wrong, I love my HD2. But when the fundamentals of a mobile phone are at best a pain in the arse, and at worst impossible, something is seriously wrong. The aim of WP7S is to make it less of a hassle for you to just pick up a phone and go. Apple have got this pretty much spot on with the iPhone, so how the hell can building on some of their ideas in order to improve a normal person's user experience of a Windows phone be a bad thing?

If you're happy with WinMo the way it is right now and don't want to upgrade, then don't upgrade. Simple as that. Many people haven't upgraded their PCs from Windows XP for the exact same reasons. But please, stop cluttering up the WP7S forums with stupid, petty arguments about copy and paste or copying the iPhone. Because at the end of the day, nothing you can say on a forum is going to stop it happening, and you're ruining the forum for the normal people who are actually looking forward to 7 Series and want to discuss it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
It's not an argument unless there's a counter, and your post is the counter. If you go away, like people tell you in real life, then the thread will go on without a petty argument.

Also, if you think complaining on forums like this doesn't do anything, may I please refer you to the Counterstrike Riot Shield. Complaining DOES get back to the producers eventually. I'm sorry that you're so unfamiliar with the INTERWEBZ that you still haven't figured that out.

Please go live in the woods somewhere and don't bother anyone. If you don't like a thread, there's a back button in your browser; use it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DexyG:
Not a fair example, as there is a difference between making a comment on Valve's official forum and complaining on an unofficial forum such as this. Plus Valve are awesome. Microsoft, not so much.

By the way, great job ignoring the majority of my on-topic post to call me out about arguing. This looks like flamebait. I can tell from being familiar with the 'INTERWEBZ' and from seeing quite a few flamebaits in my time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Does this make you feel better?

This is a dumb strategy. You can't copy the marketing technique from Apple and just assume that it will fall in line with the same degree of sales. Apple sells because of the name that it's established. If Microsoft thinks that they will sell because people will just look at it and say "Wow! I'm going to buy that Microsoft product!" they're wrong. "Normal people" aren't looking in their direction. Not for phones, anyway.

Oh, why thank you for supplying my point. Nobody's looking in Microsoft's direction for phones, even with all that press.

People won't upgrade if they don't want to. This isn't a point. You're not some disciple coming with brand new and innovative information. We don't need some dope on the internet telling us not to upgrade if we don't want to. Please stop cluttering up the forums here with pointless drivel.

Again, posting online makes a difference. IW changed Call of Duty because of things said on many different forums. Complaining DOES make a difference. It's how laws are changed and if you think big software companies and the like don't operate like that, you're insane. You can be like one of these citizens that sits there and says "writing to your politicians makes no difference" or you can be smart and realize that YOU CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

Also, you may need a refresher on what exactly "forum" means. Open discussions. That means positive and negative. If you want only positive posts about WP7S, may I suggest dropping acid and sticking with the comments sections on big media websites because that's the only way you're going to find them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] the-hq:
Didn't read through the whole thread and don't know if someone mentioned it - but I'd love to start a download in the browser while keeping a SSH connection open in the background ;)

P.S.: I'm really looking forward to WP7S and am eager to know how much can be done with it or hacked into it. This will decide if the better choice is Android or WP7S
[Windows Phone 7 General] FloatHeavy:
Yeah, I have jailbroken iphone and an HD2 and I use multitasking on both.

On iphone i use multitasking when I am dl'ing and I want to play a game or use a productivity apps while I wait. Sometimes I find myself juggling between two productivity apps frequently. It isn't unheard of. And if every time I open an app I gotta see your splash screen or some logo, thats downtime. When I have to navigate deep back into app to get back to where I was last time, thats downtime. Or what about the fact about the app needing to load up the data in placeholders even if it does "pause"? It's not as simple as some of you defend.

SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THE PUBLIC CAN'T HANDLE A MOBILE DEVICE WITH MASS STORAGE FEATURE? Mass storage feature is possibly one of the most functional advantages over a non jailbroken iphone. To argue that not having mass storage capability is "just not the way things are headed" is pure joke. They want to control content more than ever and squeeze extra dollars by funneling content into itunes/marketplace BULL****! This then makes criminals out of those that want to do more with their phone and don't play by new "rules". Hogwash.

Can you all please see beyond your marketing class 101? Think deeply about information exchange and who gives you access and when!!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Zaim2:
It's very likely that Iphone will be getting an official USB mass storage mode in 4.0, as it's in Iphone OS 3.2. So WP7 will be the only one left in the stone age.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Just today I saw my brother plug his iPod into his PC, and Windows asked him if he wanted to browse the files on it.

Now he's totally computer inept (like the rest of my family), so I highly doubt that he's jailbroken it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
By default and without itunes the iPhone is recognized as a digital camera, you see its DCIM folder in read-only mode.
[Windows Phone 7 General] FloatHeavy:
Yup. You gotta use SSH or a program like ifunbox to get full file tree access. Other wise it lists as "Mobile Camera" or something like that. I have not seen mass storage on iphone other than some 3rd party app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
sometimes for the worse....

Mazda made a great car in 2003. The Mazda6.

The fat americans complained that it is not as big as a Camry.

Mazda listened to the complaints.

2008-09 they made the mazda6 "larger".

Sales dropped because those fking guys still got a camry and those who wanted a lean mean machine started looking away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Nothing outsells those Camrys! And ironically, it's the most American car on the road.

I'm a proud fat American, but I have a Corolla.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Windows Mobile didn't change for the better, either...
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
So true. It seemed Microsoft would rather listen to all the idiots out there that NEED to use their fat fingers to browse to the newest Lady Gaga video or pictures of their stupid kids.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I totally agree with this.

People who complain that Windows Mobile 6.5.3 isn't "finger-friendly" need to re-examine:

A. The size of their fingers

B. Their dexterity

C. Their bias

There are a lot of components to iPhone OS that are less finger-friendly than WM6.5.3...
[Windows Phone 7 General] curiousGeorge:
Not to mention 6.5.5.

Yeah, 6.5.5 is like having a touch-friendly computer in my pocket. Having Sense on there with a press of a button turns that computer back into an easy-to-use phone. This baby flies, too. That's cool to me. Having exe's and cabs and stuff flying around the filesystem is AWESOME for me. I can do SO MUCH with my HD2.

With WP7, I will be so limited that I as an enthusiast would lose all interest in the HD2 except for its basic functions (which will in turn experience much less use as they become limited and much less fun). I couldn't stand the ipod touch... until I had it completely hacked and running repos with GBA emulators and such.

Ah, good times. To hell with WP7, I'd say... if only I ever saw it. Sheesh, wouldn't it be perfect if it came out with great drivers, a huge performance boost, AND hacked with the ability to essentially run EVERYTHING you did on the CE5.2 WM6.5.5? Hoho, it'd be heaven. The HD2 with its current drivers can't even do HD video, WTF. As a geek that makes me die a little inside. :p
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
Actually, I use my phone to keep pictures of my boys with me at all times, doens't make my boys stupid or my fingers fat, clearly you're a Jaffa and an ugly one at that :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] curiousGeorge:
OMG, Lady Gaga references everywhere I look! Who IS this person? XD

I REFUSE TO USE TOPEKA
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Hey, I live near topeka and I definitely would change my cities name to Google for a chance to use thier Gigabit Fiber Net.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTSjCfM2aWs

Obviously no one has the balls to tell you that no one cares.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
I keep the pictures with me for me, not to shove in other people's faces
[Windows Phone 7 General] DjSkreem:
love or hate

all these reasons why windows phone 7 sucks at the end of the day you r still gonna hate it 1 , 2 MS still gonna make money half of u wll neva see in your lifetime, 3 if u hate it go symbian, andriod, webos or meamo 5 or 6, 4 stop complaining and write your own phone OS.

windows mobile 6.5 is 4 enterprise and business ppl and most likely ms will make 6.6 or 6.7 update since they would not break legacy apps so easy.

all ms needs to do is redo the entire ui for 6.5 and streamline the 6.5 core leave windows phone 7 for the socially active, music and multimedia ppl like myself and every one is happy.

a 2 os strategy is much better than one OS that tries to cover all the bases and fails hence why iPhone OS will soon fail its cluttered and is adding too much without a ui overhaul.

on the note of multitasking u don't need it it just kills battery. some apps need it but we don't need it for all apps. you want multitasking and then complain or the bater doesn't last a day......

plz lean that a phone si just that a phone a smart phone brings some pc functionality to a phone but it is not a pc if you want good battery life and multitasking get a laptop and buy a regular phone problem solved
[Windows Phone 7 General] burnblue:
What is the fun you get out of trolling people?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Schadenfreude

I keep my phone plugged in more than I don't, so battery life doesn't really matter that much to me. I keep my laptop plugged in the same way. Battery life is not an issue for me and I want multitasking. If you could keep it plugged in as often as possible, why wouldn't you?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
This Forum is exactly where we can complain, it's part of the entire community where, you can voice your opinion, as you did

Actually, that's a reasonably intelligent approach they could do this, but there is no reason why they can't update the core OS and UI with different features available, ie those who want it all can have it all and suffer with the poor battery life, just as they do with Windows, different versions for different people.

I would quite happily take a Windows Ulimate version with the new UI, but I would still want the current existing capabilities, ie multi-taskin, yes to me this is important, for all apps, not just MS approved ones, then as is now, if I need more memory I can close something in task manager, I'm more than capable of doing this as I do now.

Windows wants to beat iPhone, this is what they should do, especially considering iPhone OS4.0 will likely have multitasking added.
[Windows Phone 7 General] jo_iii:
tl;dr previous posts.

However, as far as I can tell, DOS is included in Windows 7 in the form of cmd.exe

Every succeeding OS gets simplier for the average user, yet it includes all the complexities under the hood for our kind of users. WP7 should hold true to that logic.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Xenithflare:
I for one am mixed about WP7 at the moment. Here are only a few of the reasons I adore WM6.x:

1. The UI is infinitely customizable, whether it be via theme or custom ROM. You want TF3D? Done. Oh, decided you want to try Titanium? Alrighty.

2. Most any program or app you want, it's there or it's possible. If you want to change your hardware keys, or see your battery icon in a totally new way, easy. PointUI alone is a massive testament to customization.

3. Copy and paste, I feel, are essential.

At the same time, there are mass amounts of problems:

1. Hardware issues plague almost every single WM device known to man.

2. Out of the box, WM is a terrible experience. In order to get the most out of your device, it's almost REQUIRED that you spend hours tweaking and adding new things just to make it workable.

3. Resistive touch screens. I can't express how much I hate thee.

As for multitasking... it's the principle of the thing, really. I feel that every smartphone should offer multitasking (storage access, as well, if only for convenience). I can't think off the top of my head any specific instances where I would need to use more than one program at once, but I know in my daily usage that it happens quite often. It's not that hard to use a task manager, even for people who just want an easy out-of-the-box experience.

All that said, I like the WP7 interface, I love that it integrates with XboxLive, I like how it flows and acts... there are just a few things I require for a perfect experience, to blend WM and WP7 just right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
if they really do have different versions of their OS made and if they are sold at different price points, you can expect pirated versions of the OS floating around.

I would prefer they release 1 version of the OS, but let us be able to enable the features we want, via maybe a program like windows power tools was for windows xp
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
+1. I prefer 1 version also.

Multiple versions of the OS would screw up the app market for the phone. Fragmentation causes software to be designed for the least common denominator instead of being designed to take advantage of the higher-end features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
I think most of us wouldn't mind one version of the OS, but until that one version isn't a piece of garbage, I want other options.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cerealfreak:
Whilst I can see your reasoning behind one version this will make no difference to software piracy, the OS will be ported (actually already has) :D

WP7 has a long way to go, if they release with the current feature set then they have already failed and fallen behind the iCrap sorry I mean iPhone
[Windows Phone 7 General] jessiethe3rd:
Trying to figure out...

Why people are so afraid of change?
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
It's more work.
[Windows Phone 7 General] samizzlah:
well we don't want an operative system looking like it was designed for a 3 year old :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
I think the iPhone is for 4 year olds.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vladimir2989:
iPhone is perfect for elderly people and kids, coz as it comes out of the box, there is nothing u can do to it to f*ck it up, there is no access to system files, regestry.... one buton u can press...

u have to be absolute idiot not to know how to use it...

but for a user who want to b able to do more with the phone jailbreaking is essential,

for one reason i could never use iphone and can barely stand ipod, is that u don't have access to file system more importantly to music... if i have a phone with me and i hear my mate playing a song on his laptop i want to be able just to copy that song from him to my music folder and play it straightaway, without all this itunes bull**** that u can only sync with one pc, and to fight it u have to JailBreak, use SSH or some other trick...

currently on my phone and all the previous phones i had, it was easy drag and drop any mp3 anywhere on the memory card and play it... no problem...
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
Not knowing how to do it in iPhone does not mean it cannot be done. I have no problem receiving an MP3 music say by email, wifi, or Bluetooth from any notebook to my iPhone. Of course you must be mire intelligent than. Four year old to be able to find out how easy thus can be done.

Oh another thing. It requires open mindedness and not being an irrational Apple hater too.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vladimir2989:
yeah, coz emailing and bluetooth'ing music to your self its Normal way of copying music... and USB connection is so old fassion lol, and ipod app (built in player will see names of tracks correctly and play it without need of jailbreaking etc... ) - {in sarcastic voice} lol

u saying on iphone u can go to library pc, download mp3 from limewire/(any other file sharer) copy it to iphone and play it straigt away, without SSH, Jailbreaking, just using it as apple intended...

u cant do sh!t without iTunes approvel...

...

on my HD2 been using it for few month now, i have music, videos, PIM data, not once i needed to sync it with PC, (pim loaded of MyPhone Service, install all programs as CAB files from memory card), if i gona go to diferent town for a week without my laptop, i can use someone else's pc if i need to get music, photos, videos, apps on my WM device...

iphone, u conect to anyting thats not your pc u get a message something along the lines

"iphone is synced with another itunes library. an iphone can be synced with only one itunes library at a time. erase and sync ?"

with any other phone i dont have to deal with that BS...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuYkH60w4Ns&playnext_from=TL&videos=enqOhlVRrkk
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
A person with the intellect if a four year old will be unaware that music could be managed between pc and iPhone completely without itune if you hate itune that much.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
I can view flash on my phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
I'll give it to you on this one. Never having any problem accepting truth.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
Then with that, I can have a respectable conversation with you. I feel terrible for customers caught in the crossfire of this one. EVERYTHING Apple/Jobs is saying that is wrong with Adobe Flash is false. HTML5 IS proprietary, while Flash IS open. HTML5 is slower than Flash. HTML5 will eventually lead to Apple making more money. Flash is all over the place and is more prominent than Apple. Apple is the "lazy" one because they didn't release their API to allow Adobe to make Flash work better with Apple products. And it's consumers like you that suffer. Every other mobile platform is working with Adobe to make it work on mobile devices. EVERY OTHER PLATFORM. I feel sorry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
I don't want to take side with either Adobe or Apple on flash. But as a customer i hate any website with flash. Even on PC I avoid clicking on anything flash. Perhaps many web designer way way overuse it and use it incorrectly resulting in less than pleasant user experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] rorytmeadows:
But the fact of the matter is that Flash is everywhere. You can't say "NO, you as a customer don't need it," when it's everywhere. You especially have no right to deny your devices the capability, thinking that you'll guide the internet with such a small market share.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
I know it's everywhere. I just personally don't like clicking on them. Too slow. Too clunky. I like to see every website not use flash in the long term and that's not because I'm supporting Apple on this but just as a user seeking better user experience. I had watched a video done eith silverlight once and liked it though.

I know there as people who loves to visit flash sites. Lots of porn sites are using them. Perhaps webmasters should simply have two versions of their sites. One with flash and one without. In that way customers would have a choice. Now with flash I don't feel that I have a choice but to put up with the unpleasant experience associated with it. On my winmo phone I had tremendous difficulties using any flash based websites. It's always taking forever to load, if it loads. Often it just say I had the wrong version of flash. Just lots of nightmares. For game sites the absence of physical keyboard for most of today's touch screen phones means that they can't be played anyway so it's pointless to talk about advantage of flash for mobile phones.

Then there's a question of how mouseover feature could work without a mouse on a mobile phone. Multitouch is perhaps the way but the problem us that it will conflict with the existing browsers already utilizing multitouch to do different things. So perhaps it is really hard to mix flash with touchscreen?

I'll watch with interest how Android and WP7 phone users play those flash-based games which are controlled by keyboard and how they'll activate the mouseover features. I suspect that it's not going to be a pleasant it easy experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Excuse me? HTML5 is proprietary? How come? Somebody acquired W3C or what? HTML5 is as slow or fast as a browser maker implements it. With Flash, browser makers have no control over this. Flash is heavy buggy memory leaking crap that breaks navigation and browsing history, it's not indexed properly by search engines and you have to watch lengthy movies instead of getting right to the point. I personally have Flash disabled in my HD2's Opera Mobile and never bothered to enable it - never encountered a single piece of information in Flash that would be worth the several clicks needed to do it. I still tend to think it's a good thing that I do have Flash support somewhere just in case, and I believe it should be up to the user if he wants this buggy crap running in his browser, but boy is Jobs right on all counts when he accuses Flash of all computing sins.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
I thnk Steve Job's philosophy is always that of if he can't deliver a good experience to the users he won't do it. So, he left out copy and paste until he figured it out the best way. He left out multitasking until he figured out how he can protect performance and battery life while doing it. On flash, I suspect that he sees no way of solving the problem, so the only way is to ditch it completely and replace it with something better. Right or wrong decision will be judged few years down the road I guess by the customers. Would customers say "I won't buy iPhone/iPad because you can't use those flash websites"? Or will webmasters and their boss says "there are just too many iPhone/iPod customers out there and they can't use this website, so let's redo it in HTML5"?

For me, the truth is I already don't feel like using those websites, regardless of what Steve Jobs does. I hated the unnecessary animations just to look at the photos, I hate the time it takes to watch them. Just don't like them. I like youtube so much more now as compared to before.