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[General Questions and Answers] beow1776:
Why? To make sure the kids are following the rules! Just because my kids are on restriction from using the phone doesn't mean that I am going to take their phones away when they go off to school, practice, etc, because I want them to have it in case of an emergency. But, also I want to know that they aren't using it when their not supposed to...during class, after bed time, while at the library, etc. I am not willing to install spy software, I don't want to view their sms conversations, I just want to keep them honest so they know if they use it when their not supposed to there is a record of it.

Edit: Oh and BTW, thanks for the reply.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] can_pro113:
Please, some body tell me how to increase volume of internal speaker? my TytnII's internal speaker volume is small, i can't hear when i'm in the street! With my Treo 650 this problem can fix easily with "Volume Caze" software, what about Windows Mobile?

thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] cscoot03:
Well in this day and age, get another phone. No offence I just had to say that. :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] gazzacbr:
have you tried the obvious roll up the wheel while your in a call (rtfm). thats as loud as it goes :(

otherwise you could always get another phone (theres an echo in here)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] cscoot03:
I see a smile here.:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Philux:
What Rom are you using? TPC had some volume hacks for his Roms. Not sure if they will work in others. Some of the hacks had a tendency to mess up bluetooth audio, but you can try it at your own free will.

Just extract the file and copy to you Windows folder using a file explorer like Resco File Explorer. I take no liability if you mess up your device though. However I have personally used these hacks and I already stated some of the bugs they have.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] gilligan8:
Interesting... I just determined today (day 2 of using TPC's Mega Minila) that my in call volume is DEFINITELY lower with this rom than my previous (KAIS_ROM__eOS_4_888_FiRe_pp6__NoRadio).

There must be something up with different roms.... I'll give these hacks a try I guess.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] huggs:
Same here with TPC's Mega M2D

I have the same volume problem using TPC's Mega. I was gonna try switching radios and see if that would help, but other radios dont give me the signal reception that I get from the one I'm currently using. Have anyone tried any of these three on TPC's Mega Manilla rom, and if so, which one is the best volume level of the three, and does bluetooth audio suffer? And if I try one and decide one of the others is better, or decide I can't use any of them, is it as simple as removing it from /Windows and soft-resetting, or will it change some registry stuff or something ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] can_pro113:
thank for your help! i'll try it! hope it's useful!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] Philux:
I have used these with TPC roms and they work. TPC's default is the normal one. You can try the louder & loudest, and if you don't like it, copy the normal one back to the Win dir. I have a Jawbone Bluetooth headset and I experienced some audio issues. But you can try it and see. If you have problems, like I said just copy the normal one back to windows.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] can_pro113:
it works! Also the quality of the sound isn't too good but it's ok (I've tried the loudest)! Thank Philux-X!
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] tkq23111:
i have a htc hero cellular south that has been flashed to cricket with working talk only.iv been trying to get internet to work for a while now ,some of you may know from all my posts.lol.well i have been able to downgrade to sprint ruu so it could be rooted.i have successfully rooted the phone.i heard if i put a cricket rom and flash it to the phone it would work.i have rooted the phone but cannot find a rom ,and dont know how to build one.any help would be appreciated .and i will donate to appropriate builder.ty
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Edu115:
I'm trying to fix a friend's G1, which he bought on ebay from US.

I've no experience whatsoever dealing with Android, so this is new. But I'm fairly capable of understanding every technical process you could use, so I think I'll understand your explanations.

Whenever I connect the device to a PC via USB, the computer detects an unknown device, but the phone just restarts at the splash screen. Notice that it has two different behaviors: When there's no cable connected, it just shuts down after 2 or 3 seconds at the Android screen; when I connect a USB cable, instead of shutting down it restarts continuously.

The first thing I did was to unroot the phone and put the official RC29 rom. Unfortunately, the problem persisted.

I have access to the recovery menu and the bootloader (I don't know if this is the correct term, it's the Camera+Power menu).

The major problem (I think) is that I don't have access to the console, as the recovery menu I have is the original one.

So, can anyone help me with this? Thank you.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] evilkorn:
Options:

Root the phone and use a custom recovery.

ADB also enables use of the terminal through the shell command. -- You could also use ADB to get a logcat and see what happens before the reboots.

But I don't see how the terminal would help, it sounds like hardware failure if it does it with a stock and custom rom.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Edu115:
Don't I need access to the OS in order to root the phone?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bastards:
Which SPL do you have?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goldenarmZ:
A boot loop or crash at startup can be caused by many, many things.

Get hold of the android sdk.. inside the /tools folder are 2 programs called ddms and adb, you can start the phone while connected by usb and use either of these programs to grab a startup log. Post the log here and we can hopefully see what's causing the crash.

You probably shouldn't have unrooted the phone.. that's going to make things more difficult.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Edu115:
adb and ddms can't find the device. There's an "Android Phone" in the Device Manager, but as the phone keeps restarting, I guess it isn't on enough time to be able to be detected by adb and ddms.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] goldenarmZ:
Did you install the usb driver that's packaged with the sdk? the one windows installs by default doesn't work for adb or ddms.

If you've got this driver installed and ddms doesn't see the phone, that's pretty ominous.. it should show up there as "offline" as soon as you power it on.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Edu115:
Thanks, I fixed that and I got the ADB drivers, but the same thing happens. I can't get the attached devices, nothing appears on the list.

One note: this last time I tried to connect the phone via USB it booted, but I couldn't sign in, because as soon as I slid the keyboard, the phone shut down.

So, now I have a "Android ADB Interface", but still no devices listed with adb device.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Edu115:
Right now sometimes (like in 40 tries) the phone turns on and I can use the touchscreen, but when I need to sign-in, it tells me to slide the keyboard and it shuts down.

I still can't get the attached devices using adb, even after trying in other computers.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Firerat:
what happens if you start with the keyboard open?

you know, it could be a hardware fault, a dry joint or loose wire

the sliding of the keyboard just jolts it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Dan330:
Hi all,

I have been seeing a lot of new 2.1 android ROMs...

I was wondering if anyone has tried to get Google Navigation yet? if so.. How does it work?

thanks
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] obelisk79:
works fine... /shrug
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] rjj1976:
I have been using it on Fresh 2.0b and on Darchdroid V1 the last several days and it has worked fine. It has lost satellites a couple of times but that seems to be a problem across the Droids also.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Dan330:
ok.. thanks guys..

i am planning to try these new 2.1 ROMs this weekend.

Hope all the bugs are ironed out by then

:D
[Nexus One General] britoso:
I rooted today and wanted to spread the word on the benefits of rooting. If you wait till you complete your one-year-warranty you will be missing out on the cutting-edge mods, tweaks & bugfixes that are releasing now. After a year there will be a better phone (N2?) available and development for the N1 will be slow/reduced.

Since I'm new to the rooted world please feel free to provide points I missed and I'll update this list (i.e. this is a work in progress). thanks.

Pros:

Complete access to your superphone. (essentially a linux box)

USB tether, WIFI tether. (I'm posting this right now via wifi tether ;) )

Ability to run applications that require root. (N1 torch, Trackball color, startup disable, apps2sd)

Himem kernel. (400MB RAM compared to 212 MB stock)

Option to install apps on the SD card via A2SD (apps2sd)

Ability to theme your phone, change the kernel, Replace apps with modded versions, install bugfixes yourself

Possibility to include features (FM, higher res videos, divx etc) from the Desire/legend/other phones. These will probably NEVER be officially released for the N1.

Ability to change the kernel. With Undevolting, Overclocking, AVS, CPU throttling (SetCPU) etc; you can aim for a faster speed or longer standby battery life.

Cons:

Voided Warranty (there are cases where you still get service though)

No official OTA updates. (you get them a few hours late, or months earlier :D )
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Nice list!

I think the thing that prevents people from rooting is voiding their warranty. I honestly believe that just stops them in their tracks (along with noobs thinking they lose OTA features). If it weren't for the loss in warranty, I believe people would root in a quick second..
[Nexus One General] Carloswithac:
Pretty sure we already know.

I applaud your effort, though.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
...especially considering many of us have been fooling around with Android since the G1, and there are already numerous threads about rooting, or why to root, or the pros of rooting, or if rooting will void the warranty. Ugh. This forum is filling up with crap threads quick.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I actually applaud this thread.

I was ready to come in here all PISSED off at yet ANOTHER thread asking "like, oh m ygod, convince meeeee to root plezzzzzzzzz" :mad:

Thank you for not being that type of thread.

I will put the shotgun down now. :D
[Nexus One General] palosjr:
agreed... it kills me... i think users should have to get a G1 first... brick it, get a new one... learn from their mistakes, and then graduate to the Nexus One after figuring out the basics of Android... this forum is turning into the G1 junk-pile all over again
[Nexus One General] liam.lah:
Or we could act in the spirit of forum participation and pass on wisdom so that the community as a whole can grow, rather than everyone starting at year 0.
[Nexus One General] PhantomRampage:
A mod should just sticky this thread and maybe people will stop making new ones asking why they should root
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Bump for the lazy asshats unwilling to search
[Nexus One General] attn1:
What a great thought. +1
[Nexus One General] vegetaleb:
The 2 cons are not really important for me:

-No warranty in Lebanon anyway

-Updated ROMs are uploaded by kind people here and there :D
[Nexus One General] erebusting:
I agree with this, I hate the fact that it voids the warranty...*WHYYYY*

haha....

hopefully there will be a method soon where we can root without voiding the warranty
[Nexus One General] ajwho:
So funny to see these guys who registered here not too long ago spout off this nonsense. Get over yourselves. The OP was only trying to help.
[Nexus One General] mythamp:
Another thing missing is, most of the custom roms having problems, either some have issues with the camera or bluetooth, or stability. I would hope that would be added to the list of why not to root.

When you encourage everyone to root , you obviously understand most of your viewers are going to be noobs, who will root and install the custom OS's and get upset why doesnt the thing work as it was suppose to, unlike you guys who change custom roms every other minute as a hobby most of us beginners(rooting) might not have the patience/time in hand to do so.
[Nexus One General] jasrups:
Yup posters like that are the ones who are going to transform our community into an Apple-like environment. Elitist snobs who pounce on anyone who doesn't know what they do. Case in point, take palosjr. Reminds me of a typical Apple-fanboy douche bag with that kind of response.

Get off your freaking high horses, if you don't want to help then don't respond at all.
[Nexus One General] PrawnPoBoy:
There might also be a few people holding out for Froyo to see what it offers.

+1 for adding that custom ROMs can be buggy or unfinished as a con... though the stock ROM isn't flawless either I guess.
[Nexus One General] linuxluver:
Warranty

Nexus One is the first phone I've owned could not be flashed back to factory stock state after rooting. My HTC Magic could be flashed back to out-of-the-box state in 5 minutes. My Acer Liquid can be returned to 100% stock in 5 minutes. But the Nexus One? It's got that white padlock at the bottom of the screen indicating you're on your own. That does make one stop and think for moment.

But only a moment. :-)

I waited a week before unlocking the bootloader. That was to give the phone time to fail if it was going to. My experience with hardware is that it either fails quickly....or not. In my case, not.

CM v5.0.6 is not to be missed.
[Nexus One General] bloke226:
Hah I did the same, only waited a week then I rooted. I got the Nexus One about two weeks ago and love it!

I think some other PROS would be better battery life and OC ability with kernels and ROMse. Using IntersecRaven's kernel I get about 15 extra hours and I am a moderate to heavy user after the 24/7 heavy usage when I got my phone initially.

Plus the car dock is awesome--personal PRO for me :)
[Nexus One General] Mokurex:
Wow so much hate for someone who's trying to help the community. Chill out ppl.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Technically, rooting is completely separate from installing a custom ROM, so the buggyness of ROMs installed AFTER rooting (if you choose to do so) can't be counted as a con, since you can root and not install any custom ROM. :cool:
[Nexus One General] Sellitus:
Excellent list! I just wanted to add that rooting makes the phone not shutter at all compared to stock. Makes using the nexus a much more seamless experience
[Nexus One General] britoso:
Added. +10
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
This is news to me.

I knew that I could install the unlocked bootloader without installing a custom ROM, and that would enable me to install a custom ROM, but I didn't think that I could run any of the programs that require root permissions (which are listed in the Pros section of the OP) without installing a ROM that was capable of giving super-user permissions to the apps.

So, then, I can do WiFi tether with the stock ROM and an unlocked bootloader?

But, many of the other bullet items do require custom ROMs - things like the HiMem kernel, apps2sd, core features of the OS ported from the Desire ROM. All of those involve trusting a 3rd party for timely bug fixes.

And, if you can count features in the Pros section that can *only* be achieved by installing a custom ROM, then you need to deal with potential stability issues with custom ROMs in the Cons section.

My impression from my G1 rooting days is that when the hardware is getting out of date and the kernels are so lacking as a stock G1 has been as of late 2009, then dealing with the constant bugs in a modded ROM was well worth it. I used to snicker when a new ROM was released and, without fail for over 5 updates in a row, another ROM would be released a few hours later with a "sorry, this is a minor update to avoid bricking you phone on update" - and this from the ROM customizer that was known to be producing some of the most reliable ROMs in the field - and it was their "non-experimental" ROM branch. Oy. It was fun to watch that and wait for a ROM with just the right amount of "bugs that matter to me" fixed and not many "bugs that I might notice" cropping up, but the point was that every release fixed a bug that you wanted fixed and introduced another that might start to bug you later.

With my N1, there are no bugs on the stock ROM annoying enough for me to deal with custom ROMs at this stage of the game. I really think it is cool the added capabilities that I see in the custom ROMs, but I am content with the phone as it is - the stock version is just so much goodness even with its shortcomings that I'll wait.

On the other hand, perhaps the N1 customization efforts are a bit less aggressive than what I was seeing on the G1. Part of the problems with the G1 ROMs was that a lot of the new features were crafted whole from new cloth. A lot of the N1 custom ROM features I see are borrowing parts from other Eclair ROMs that are not yet released. Are the N1 ROMs much more stable than the G1 ROMs (of late 2009 say)?

So for me, a former G1 rooter, stability issues are a big Con keeping me from rooting my N1. If I had to go back to my G1, I'd probably root right away and deal with the issues to avoid having to live with 1.6 again, though. But not my N1...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
I don't think you actually understand what rooting is. :eek:
[Nexus One General] britoso:
To me the best reason to unlock the bootloader is to root the phone.

FlarBear made me re-read the OP and yes it does include points that don't need root (su). For example you can flash a new kernel with just a bootloader unlock and without root.
[Nexus One General] ibegary:
I rooted the Hero heavily the only thing keeping me from unlocking and rooting the Nexus One is I worry about the voided warranty but i'm quickly getting over it as I get further a long and the phone becomes a little older.

Also anyone do a screenie of the bootup padlock thingy? Never seen it? Is it obtrusive and it overlays your boot image or is it in the corner of the screen during boot up?
[Nexus One General] mythamp:
Take a look at the lockpad Here
[Nexus One General] ibegary:
Thanks man, that's not too bad.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
I guess I understand the full gamut of what can be done with the phone, and I used to replace the ROM on my G1 on a weekly basis so I have been there and done that, but I may not be clear on exactly which isolated "act" is the one thing that is commonly referred to by the specific term "rooting".

The point you originally made is that you can root without changing the ROM. Your words specifically:

OK, I'm not sure what the distinction is there - I am aware that installing a custom ROM comes in stages that starts with unlocking the bootloader (which is the act that voids the warranty). I am also aware that simply unlocking the bootloader doesn't actually provide any benefits unless you then install some custom software on the phone (be it just the kernel, or a full ROM). I'm not sure what subset of that is called "rooting", but I do know this:

You don't get the Desire's custom features simply by unlocking your bootloader. They don't appear by magic.

Your kernel doesn't magically upgrade itself to the HiMem version of the kernel just because you ran the unlocker.

So, if the OP is going to tout "lots of cool features from ROMs like the Desire and Legend" or "HiMem kernel" then it is talking about doing enough to your phone to actually replace some key components of the stock ROM and this raises the stability issue.

If you are going to cite someone for using the term "root" loosely then please direct your comment at the OP. We are simply pointing out that the OP points out benefits that often come at the price of stability and at the same time the OP did not list "stability" as a Con. This came in a post with the title that claimed it was talking about the Pros and Cons of "rooting" and so we have been conversing within that context. If you are going to split hairs about "rooting" not involving anything that can affect stability then you should also mention that the benefits in the OP are technically not "benefits of rooting per se".

Either define the term if you are so interested in improving the accuracy of its usage, or direct your corrections to the origin of the misuse. But, please don't contradict the point about stability being a Con with respect to the Pros listed in the OP by citing a minor detail that bears nothing on the validity of the point. You are dismissing a valid issue with a non sequitur.

And, since you so clearly understand exactly how the term "rooting" should be used and how it does not involve installing custom ROMs (which I admit I do and did know in theory, but I can not define the exactly line that separates "rooting" from "stuff that happens after rooting") I would love to hear you mention why someone should "root without installing any custom ROMs" and what benefits might come from that. Are there any? That would be the part that would be news to me and I'd love to see those listed separately in the OP.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
And, to be clear, flashing a new kernel raises stability issues just as much as flashing a whole new ROM, right?

Does unlocking the bootloader provide any direct benefits, or is it simply the gateway to modifying the software which both provides benefits and also takes the stability of your phone into your own hands?

Where exactly is the line of "rooting" drawn? Is that something beyond "unlocking the bootloader" which also might have direct benefits without any question of stability?
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Correct.

You seem to be taking offense for some reason, so, to put it plainly, rooting refers to the act of becoming a superuser on Linux (similar to logging onto the administrator account on Windows).
[Nexus One General] britoso:
It could go both ways. Newer kernels usually provide bugfixes and new features.

IMO stability goes up with each new CM rom I use.