yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Android Development] Dyonas:
I'll just add my voice to the "awesome, can't wait!" brigade. I don't know if it's something I'm doing, maybe an app or something installed from other ROMs, but all Eclair seem to be sluggish at random times. Hopefully the things lined up here will get rid of that experience. Knowing how much time it took me to figure out basic theme skinning I can't begin to imagine the stuff you guys do.
[G1 Android Development] Kainzo:
As long as it has the speed, I'm all for using it, the past releases weren't too speed user friendly though.
[G1 Android Development] problem1:
does ben (super d dev) hav sumthin to do with making this rom
[G1 Android Development] empy16:
Hi, great news there!

But: is there a possibility that we will have a fully working OpenGLES 2.0?

Thanks
[G1 Android Development] asb123:
the open eclair devs are the best, why?

because they take care and TIME into the roms and release polished versions not crap.
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
... because they are *real* devs and not just your run of the mill "rom cookers".
[G1 Android Development] Kainzo:
If they were *real* devs, wouldnt they be working for HTC or google, etc?

I think Kings/Cannon are *real* devs ... and if the end product is something great, who cares about the title used to get there? Semantics.
[G1 Android Development] Gary13579:
He's referring to people who actually develop. People that understand C, Java, dalvik, the kernel, drivers... people that know how to rebuild everything from scratch, that know how to fix bugs in the source code, and how to improve things.

Your average ROM cooker pulls APKs and themes from a few places, and produces a pile of crap (no offense intended).

'*real* dev' doesn't imply that they automatically work for HTC or Google. I am more than capable of being a real dev for this scene, but I don't have anywhere near the time to do it.
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
It does NOT follow that just because someone is a REAL DEVELOPER it means that they MUST be employed by those responsible for what they are developing. I.e. a REAL DEVELOPER can develop something FOR FUN and IN THEIR SPARE TIME.

Most people who develop software get into it because they ENJOY it.

The distinguishing characteristic is whether ALL THEY DID was mix and match EXISTING FILES, or if there is some INTELLIGENCE behind what they do, whether they UNDERSTAND, debug, and MODIFY THE CODE at all, or if they just cross their fingers and hope for the best.

99.9% of everyone cited on this forum as being a "developer" is actually NOT one. Granted yes, it takes an above average technical aptitude to be able to ***ADD FILES TO A ZIP FILE AND RUN THE TESTSIGN.JAR***, but doing so does NOT make someone a developer. It makes them a ROM COOKER.

I am not putting down anyone. You will not be able to degenerate this into a "so and so is (or is not) a real developer". But the key important thing you need to realize is that YOU YOURSELF are interested in the END PRODUCT -- you say so in very plain language.

Now the way it works is this;

1% (or less) do the REAL work, 99% leech off it.

I don't have any problem with rom cookers. They have their use -- apply a degree of personal preference/convenience to a system.

Just imagine though, where the rom cookers would be WITHOUT THE DEVELOPERS!!!

The end result that YOU YOURSELF are interested in will be FAR FAR FAR superior when based on OE than it would be if the rom cookers just slapped a bunch of stuff into a zipfile and called it good.
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
*** yes, exactly.
[G1 Android Development] georgefrs:
Personally, I think anyone who makes a contribution to driving things forward deserves props. Obviously some people have a greater level of commitment than others and that is to be commended, but every little helps! Every small "tweak" or "apk push" contributed frees up Kernel devs to hack away at the really crazy stuff...

I'm really looking forward to this rom. I've been using Open Eclair as a day to day rom for the past few weeks and I've almost forgotten what stock Donut feels like, so it will be a pleasant surprise when everything is running at 100% again (or 150% if JIT turns out to be at all stable!).

Out of curiosity, is there any information on whether the JIT being implemented in 2.0 is the same JIT that people have been hacking in until now or something newer/more stable?
[G1 Android Development] wuweizhongyong:
all i want is the market to work... right now most apps are unsuccessful.

also when i go to manage apps i cant uninstall facebook... i dont want that crap...
[G1 Android Development] TrOjAnUK:
Spoke to Wes an hour ago... he is hoping to get a general release out to us all THIS weekend, however, he did say, a bunch of stuff just came out from AOSP that he has to work on and he still has a memory leak he MUST find.

If all goes well and those issues are sorted then we may be good for the weekend.. but dont hold your breath just in case ;)

TrOjAn
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
Um... yeah. Currently Wes is doing stuff and Chris is doing stuff and I'm... replacing images. Does any of that stuff count?
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
I do stuff too! :O
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
Of course it does. I was just messing around!
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
I know :P

In all honesty, I'm afraid they may have either 1. Escaped from the coding Dungeon, or 2. Gotten a life.

While both are very urgent problems, two is most likely the worst as once you get a life, it's hard to take it away (or so I'm told). One can be easily fixed by a rather large knife, and a gps tracker,
[G1 Android Development] :
When do we get fricking OpenEclaiRv2.0 so we can play with it and be arrested for Rooting? TELL ME!
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
As soon as you fill out the papers.
[G1 Android Development] JoeSzymkowicz:
Soooooooo is there a certain week we should expect this 2.0? Just seems odd to put out a "Whats to come" post and not release anything soon after. Love the rom. Keep up the good work. You have everyone dying for a new release.
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
The certain week is, in this year. :)
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
Yes. June ∞, ∞∞, 2∞∞∞.
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
June ∞, ∞∞, 2∞∞∞^∞

Fixed it
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
http://twitter.com/wesgarner/status/11385927595

So.....does this mean we're going to have to wait a while longer for a release?

Just kidding, I'm sure that's the least of his worries. H1N1 is no fun! :(
[G1 Android Development] SlashSpeed:
Oh man, he really doesn't have any luck. I hope he'll be fine. I don't mind waiting for this rom for more months. We're not going anywhere are we?:)
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Screaming fans>H1N1.
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
He better man up like my friend Optimus Prime. Optimus got stabbed, sliced, dropped kicked, shot several times, and STILL defeated Megatron. Ain't that right Prime?

Optimus?

NOOOOOOOO!
[G1 Android Development] domenukk:
Who is this guy that always posts some strange comic pictures? xD

totaly nuts...

plus btw.: how about an open beta once in a while?

JAG insists that this is the best thing ever and I am stuck on my 1.5 cupcake build xD
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Oh JAg you and your pictures...
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
How closely related is OpenEclair to CyanogenMod? Thus far, my mindset has been that OE is essentially a 2.1-based version of CM. Are they closely related, or just loosely?
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Who said they were closely related :|. It's more related to any 2.1 roms then a 1.6 rom. Cyan isn't even part of the project!
[G1 Android Development] beidl:
they are closely related, OE is mostly based off of cyanogen's eclair branch, both projects share a lot of code
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
Thank you, I couldn't find a way to say it without sounding condescending or without my laughing as I tried to write an appropriate response.
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
"OpenEclair is a community ROM based on the AOSP 2.1 source code (with lots of Cyanogen mixed in)."

Taken from HERE
[G1 Android Development] beidl:
i had to censor myself tbh lol
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
It was just written off the source like all roms are :| you won't see any rom, that hasn't used cy's source code.
[G1 Android Development] beidl:
so... basically... every rom is related to cyanogenmod :)
[G1 Android Development] dudebro:
Looking forward to this release.

http://twitter.com/wesgarner/status/11402019955
[G1 Android Development] loganthered:
Hopefully that will be the breadcrumb that will keep people happy for a while. :) I know the tethering and other bugs were what were keeping me from making this my main 2.1 rom.
[G1 Android Development] mt3g:
most of the things in the change log are like old news I though supereclair has almost all that, with the same issues...
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
"Fix for requiring DangerSPL"

Sweeeeeet :cool:
[G1 Android Development] rbgmode:
>>>>PATIENCE is a VIRTUE<<<<

Cant wait for the next release.
[G1 Android Development] amitabhishek:
For the love of god; when is it gonna be available for download!!!
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
When the sky opens, the Earth rumbles, and you're internet goes down. THAT is when it will be available to download.
[G1 Android Development] kherio:
I think it will never be released :(
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
I think it won't ever not be released
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
lol wes said it would be out today and he's sticking with it. i trust him. I just hope it's out before 2PM so i can install it on my phone before i head out for the rest of the day.

Luckily i don't use BT and don't care about LWP so i'll be using the 3d version. get me some 3d gallery action going on
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
3D Gallery= Amazing. I'm putting all of my pics on picasa just because I can thanks to this
[G1 Android Development] t_rob76:
JAG, How is the battery life, i have tried other 2.1's with working 3d and well lets just say my phone has been unplugged for an hour and is down below 60% already and all i did was make a 10 minute phone call
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
Yeah, 3D definitely takes battery life down. I can still get around my normal time, but mind you, I am always plugged in so...
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
so the 3d lowers the battery even if your not using it? thats a slight dissapointment. i'll still give it a shot though.
[G1 Android Development] billquinn1:
If Wes survives....
[G1 Android Development] t_rob76:
Well, with H1N1 he is sure to be stuck in bed, nothing to do but code... JK feel better Wes
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
Why wouldn't he?

Contrary to the nonsense spread by the media, h1n1 isn't particularly dangerous. Sure some people die from it. Some people die from REGULAR flu as well!
[G1 Android Development] hotadef:
My patients cup runneth over, i think lol just giving this a bump i dont want to miss out when 2.o drops
[G1 Android Development] billquinn1:
Everybody relax. He'll live... probably
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
wow lol. he's not going to die. Everyone who gets infected with it gets the vacine now and is usually fine within a few days. Wes will be stuck at home between a bed, chair, and sometimes the couch. which leaves him lots of time to work on the awesomeness of OE.
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
And catch up on Lost
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
HA HA HA HA, STAYIN' ALIVE, STAYIN' ALIVE
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
oh crap, nevermind. were not going to see any new roms anytime soon lol
[G1 Android Development] Bentenrai:
LOL :D

Can't wait to see what's next though, keep up the awesome work.
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
Crap, wasn't that on Tuesday night? I missed it!
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
If you think that, then you don't know the first thing about vaccinations. Once you're infected, a vaccine is pointless.

A vaccine is a SHORTCUT to trick your immune system into recognizing new contagions without having to subject you to the deleterious effects. It does this by dumping in a vial full of that contagion in a state of being DEAD. If you're infected, your immune system has access to plenty of LIVING samples, which are actually BETTER since they haven't had an opportunity to MUTATE.

A vaccine is NOT A CURE. It is PREVENTION.
[G1 Android Development] t_rob76:
BTW, this was the meanest April Fools Joke Ever :D

from twitter
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
In similar news...

Cyanogen Quits

"Well, I’ve finally seen the light. I got my hands on an Apple iPad today and it truly is a magical thing. So magic that I’ve sold all of my Android devices and bought several fine pairs of old-school Jnco pants with the huge pockets that can hold a 40oz of St. Ides so I can carry the magic with me everywhere I go. Sorry Android, it’s been great, but things change. I’m already hard at work on CyanogenMod for the iPad! I can already feel the magic.

C’est la vie Android, it’s been real. You can check out my work-in-progress for the iPad HERE."
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
"THIS JUST IN: Steve Kondik [formerly known as Cyanogen in the Android community] is going to replace Steve Jobs as CEO and Chairman of Apple Inc.(NASDAQ: AAPL) April 1st."
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
I'd buy that ._.'
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
wow man, gotta beat me up over a single wrong word?

Regardless, they have a cure or whatever. Friend of mine had it 3 weeks ago and literally 5 days after she was diagnosed she was fine and it was gone.
[G1 Android Development] :
Wes just tweeted that 1.3 will be released tomorrow...

http://code.google.com/p/openeclair/issues/detail?id=310
[G1 Android Development] :
BTW, I heard that there's a memory leak issue preventing the release of 2.0, maybe these could help...?

http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/browse_thread/thread/4910ecc798ae2620

http://stackoverflow.com/search?q=android+memory+leak
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Pretty sure they already know about this.
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
He said tomorrow, yesterday (I hope that makes sense)
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Yeah sure.
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
And by that I mean he said tomorrow, yesterday at 11 pm, so today....
[G1 Android Development] jasonmlit:
wow, 45 pages of "i can't wait" posts should say something. i am ready, i had to go back to donut, because i was sick of missing calls. excited for this.
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
since you already went back this probably won't help. but someone suggested to me to reflash the radio if your missing calls. I did that and i haven't missed a call since.

The lag sometimes makes it take a good 5+ seconds to actually load the screen and then sometimes it dosn't show the name of the person calling and just the number, but at least you get calls.

only need another $360 to get my nexus and not have to rely on roms for 2.1
[G1 Android Development] problem1:
def jus relyin on donut roms now eclairs r jus 2 slow
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Hmm I wonder if we'll really get it today :|
[G1 Android Development] lolmensch:
WRONG !!!! i bet that we wont get it today. especially that for me today is over in 3 1/2 hours !!!!!! WRONG

twitter of wes: hes uploading v1.3 right now...
[G1 Android Development] t_rob76:
...sorry, thought this was part of sig so i didn't read it

umm... this just in
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
hey, to those of you that have the beta, do you have to do a clean wipe to go from 1.2 to 1.3 or can you just install it over 1.2?
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
I did no-wipe and wipe, and personally, I would wipe because wiping cures 95% of possible problems (I had no problems either way but wiping is best in case you do have problems) (And by no problems I mean ones caused by the build.... excluding the ones I did myself)
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
What do you think?

EDIT: The clear answer is, you'll have to wipe.
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
@JAguirre: figured as much. guess i'll give it a shot and see how it goes over the rest of the day and then do a full wipe tonight.

@protomanez: no need to be mean man. not all roms require a wipe when updating and i've never updated OE before so i wanted to ask.
[G1 Android Development] cityeyes:
Wes says the 3D version has a memory leak. I don't care about Live Wallpapers, but what problems does this leak cause? Is the tradeoff for the animation and other benefits with the 3D build worth the leak?

@neok44: Wiping can be a pain, but Titanium Backup really helps if you don't have it. Pretty much all you have to restore in even the worst case scenario are your bookmarks, settings, and shortcut locations. It even restores market data so that you can download updates when they show up in the market.

Edit: In case anybody else is wondering, Wes said that Live Wallpapers aside the 3D patch is a half-half tradeoff. I think I'm going to go with it unless I have any glaring problems.
[G1 Android Development] t_rob76:
Lol, the 1.3 update is listed here, but my f5 button is getting tired because the links arent up yet
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Hmm good thing there's a ramhack version I don't need 3D anyways :|
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
Yes it's out :D!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[G1 Android Development] lolmensch:
links are there
[G1 Android Development] Jimmy_Z:
nice, keep up with the good work :)
[G1 Android Development] kherio:
The link is UUUUUPPPPPP !!!!!!!

:eek::eek: Flashing right nowwwww
[G1 Android Development] danieljordanmaddux:
Did first flash w/out wiping and it was the longest boot i think i've ever sat through and when it finally came on a lot of the ui was screwed up but i got no force closes so i wiped and reflashed and i'm waiting on it to boot now.

EDIT:I've wiped and reflashed 2 times and the UI is still all messed up
[G1 Android Development] TheLaughingMan:
I'm so excited :D it can't seem to come out fast enough
[G1 Android Development] cookiecaper:
I'm having similar experiences. The boot takes a long time, the UI has things that should be text as buttons, which crowds out the real button text, so you don't know what a button is supposed to be, the notifications bar has the wifi icon splayed all over what should be translucent space.

This is with no 3D, RHack version. All of that occurs on a clean system after a wipe.

Thing keeps rebooting after reflashing my userdata. For some reason, after this, a jungle theme plays for a long time every time it gets close to booting.

Definitely going back to 1.2.2. This is seriously disappointing. :(
[G1 Android Development] TeeJay3800:
Currently I'm running CyanogenMod with the 10MB RAM hack and CompCache enabled (no swap), and I'm very happy with the performance. It's nice and snappy. Would that setup also be quick with OE, or is swap recommended?
[G1 Android Development] neok44:
thanks for the suggestion. I've been using mybackup pro but the way it does apps is assy. It can reinstall them but they don't show up in the market as downloaded so it takes me forever to do a wipe. I'm gonna give this titanium one a shot for this wipe.
[G1 Android Development] pdecat:
Wes quickly uploaded a v1.3.0.1 that fixes resources problems : http://twitter.com/wesgarner/status/11515618586
[G1 Android Development] ZhekaS:
Any chance to see the 2.0 some day ? :rolleyes:
[G1 Android Development] :No-Frost::
I think we would see first Eclair released by Tmobile or Rogers or even HTC (don't remember who posted some info about it...)
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
You will NEVER see a 2.0+ 32b/android from ROBBERS. EVER. And this I GUARANTEE.
[G1 Android Development] billquinn1:
I usually think lbcoder is a little over the top and sometimes even a little rude (sorry), but this time he is right on the money.
[G1 Android Development] asb123:
YUP, they still have us on 1.5 :mad:

but, since we are rooted, we can enjoy the possible tmobile 2.x release benifits!

p.s.

I love that the Canadian government is now allowing foreign companies into our currently monopolized mobile market! Wynd mobile is the start of great things to come!
[G1 Android Development] cosmique:
any preview on the release date?
[G1 Android Development] emuboy:
"any preview on the release date? "

one day after duke nukem forever...
[G1 Android Development] ZhekaS:
It seems like the devs just lost any interest in this project.. The features list is very pretentious, so maybe it's just too big to accomplish.
[G1 Android Development] cosmique:
hmmmm whats a good alternitive to OpenEclair?

any 2.1x rom?
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
On the day The Phantom console is released.

On the day Starcraft Ghost is released.

When Bin Laden is captured.

When humanity stops shooting at each other and form colonies on other celestial bodies.

The Rapture.
[G1 Android Development] cosmique:
thanks for the VERY helpful answer :rolleyes:
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
No problem mate. :)
[G1 Android Development] Kainzo:
Give Complete Eclair 2.0 a try, you may be surprised at how awesome it is.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=633957
[G1 Android Development] JakeEv:
Try XxKOLOHExX's newest rom (v3.0). It runs as quick as 1.6 and the only problem I've had with it is a reboot if you turn off the screen while the keyboard is open, but he's working on it. It doesn't have 3D (just useless bells and whistles to me anyway) but everything else is there, including low and high quality youtube and the picture preview after using the camera is fixed.
[G1 Android Development] daArgh:
personally I wouldn't use XxKOLOHExX's rom since he's just a file mover... copying binaries from other roms and mixing them to create a rom is just plain stupid.
[G1 Android Development] wesgarner:
lol PS this is a copy/paste build from like OE 1.1
[G1 Android Development] wesgarner:
Ok, think I am just going to fix up the version as it is now and release an ALPHA - meaning majorly ALPHA
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
It includes things not seen in OE, so it was but no longer is
[G1 Android Development] JakeEv:
Nothing wrong with a file mover if he makes a stable rom, IMO. He may just be copying/pasting, but his is the only rom I've used since he started doing the supereclair edits (which is saying a lot because I used to change roms on a daily basis before).

But I understand that everyone has opinions and the right to choose, which is the great thing here. I've always thought Wes was awesome too, so I'm looking forward to the next release to see if it can get me to change over again :)
[G1 Android Development] Z҉A҉L҉G҉O̚̕̚:
Really now...
[G1 Android Development] wesgarner:
You know what, if I wanted to ***** and moan - lemme do it!

I CUT YOU =P
[G1 Android Development] Jeffro64:
LMFAO!!!:D

Looking forward to trying your 2.0 out Wes!
[G1 Android Development] shiben589:
Public or just for alpha testers?
[G1 Android Development] mejorguille:
I would love to test the alpha if you released it. All I need working is the dialer and messaging. Anything else to me is extra, so make sure that those things work good, and I'll flash anything you make. (PS WGY-2.6 is still on my nandroid because it was so awesome)
[G1 Android Development] daArgh:
dude, I've used it and things that happened randomly was just magical - for no reason the phone turned on gps, started calling people, changed brightness... all the time not responding to keys or anything... it was preety scary... if you don't have understanding what programming is and how it works - file moving can sound ok, but I'm a dev... and this is f$%^&* stupid and can seriously damage your phone. Personally I would prefer to use ROMs that were built by people that are programmers and UNDERSTAND what is going on, not just "let's try this, let's try that".
[G1 Android Development] protomanez:
But that's what cyanogen did and his roms turned out "okay".
[G1 Android Development] daArgh:
r u sure? from what I'm seeing he's coding & borrowing CODE, not binaries... (and from what I understand SE is created by moving binaries around)