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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] token2k6:
I'm willing to adopt any Windows Phone Series 7, keyboard or not. I say calm down on all the phones now, b/c the whole landscape as we know it will be changed by 1/1/11..

but yeah, this elusive TP3 would be nice..since a WPS7 phone can have a keyboard as seen by the LG, hopefully they're holding off for that..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
im going to consider an hd2 in the future. i was thinking to get it much sooner, but ill wait a bit for the prices to come down. the tmo version has a really low price and should lower the price of the t9193. if i do, i will miss the keyboard and the speaker. but damn, that screen. it could make an iphone user commit suicide.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
That could only be proven with thorough, extensive testing. And then more testing. In fact, here, let me give you a hand with that :D:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
I am actually considering the AT&T compatible Nexus One. If it had a keyboard I wouldn't have to even think about it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Loconinja:
I am torn between the HD2 and the Desire. I haven't given up on WinMo yet, although I am disheartened by what I have seen of Windows Phone 7.

I also have a Toshiba TG01 which, although a flawed device, has convinced me that my next phone must have a 1GHz Snapdragon or better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dougstoner:
HD2

I definitely need something with a little more processor, so I've been thinking about the HD2. I will miss the keyboard some, but I've got so used to using swype, I don't think I'll miss it that much.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] radi0chik:
I really like my TP2, but I've even more so loved the Android OS - even though it doesn't totally work. If I could get an Android OS phone, with front cam, back cam, wifi, BT, FM radio w/ RDS, and a physical kb, I'd sell the TP2 in a heartbeat. I'm so over the winmo OS, and the new microsoft version doesn't look any better. Android OS please!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Fin9ers:
I love my Rhodium tooooooooo much to move onto another device.

When the time comes to renew my contract I'll probably get an HD2.

But I'll use my Rhodium as a phone. And the HD2 as a toy :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] hunter7773:
i like my tp2. but as soon as us cellular gets something with more speed and not windows 7. ill be jumping ship. prob to android. ive read all the findings at mix 10 on windows 7. and i will be goin to android. windows 7 looks great. but its lockd down. and all they stopped us from doing with it. its not worth the wait. so bye bye wmo.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kable:
T-Mo HD2 next week will be replacing my TP2 which replaced my G1 which replaced my Wing.

Looks like a 6 month cycle.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
I wish VZW would come out w/ the HD2...I might go with the Nexus one or this thing:

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Saygus-Vphone-phone-pa_4463.html

I also like the HTC Incredible for vzw, it looks like HD2 hardware w/ android. Most likely i'll keep the keyboard and go w/ a saygus if anything (although chances are I wont get a new phone)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sanjsrik:
I keep looking at the Droid. Figure I'll wait a few months, see what shakes out with (if) the 6.5 update, and then move over to the Droid. I'm out of contract now with Sprint, and they don't seem particularly to care if people leave.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] chrisrj28:
I am getting the HD2 for sure, I will keep my TP2 just to mess around with it but I have tested the Tmo HD2 a few times at my local store and I love it. I am just watching the time tick by until next Wednesday and I will be joining you in the NRG HD2 forum
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
TP3 only!!!!!!!!!!!!

:D:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cerealfreak:
I have until Summer 2011 before I can upgrade my Touch Pro 2, bear in mind though I kept my Tytn II for 3 and a half years because nothing else fitted form factor wise. I like the fact my screen tilts and the keyboard is phenomenal. It may be a while after my upgrade date it may not be, not forgetting that by then WP7 Series should have fixed all the alleged release issues such as no multi-tasking and no copy and paste, no side loading 3rd party apps, no full USB connectivity, no sd card loading......the list of faults with WP7 series so far is shocking.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aboogie8:
Point being....I won't be changing devices until (unless) somebody releases another WM unit with specs at least as strong as the HD2, AND a keyboard as good as the TP2's. 'Till then, I'll be happily thumb-dancing away, Rhodium-style!![/QUOTE]

HERE HERE!!!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cerealfreak:
Something that has just occured to me, it took someone only 6 hours to release the full ROM within the emulator, how long do we think it will take our dedicated chefs to fix the WP7S faults and make it work how we like them to work/on devices we want them to work on? Laying an OS with existing drivers isn't as difficult as some naysayers would like to believe, we've seen it done before with Windows 6.5 running on devices technically only capable of running Windows Mobile 5. I'm not expecting the chefs to do anything, but it wouldn't surprise me that within a month of release it's running on all sorts of devices.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tt c6:
All I really want is a "TP 3" with a faster processor, more ram, a 4.3"+ screen and a FM radio. (I'm on Sprint.)

Having multitaking and removeable battery/memory is why I went MW.

WM7 is a failure for removing the above, as far as I'm concerned
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cerealfreak:
You can gurantee that if/when a TP3 is released it will come with either WP7S or Android incorporated
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] da9th_one:
the phone that would make me ditch my tp2 hasn't been invented yet...the tp2 is my business phone. although, im not fond of keyboardless phones, i will give the hd2 a try...

i want a phone that resembles the old universal...ahhh yes, that would be nice...so very nice...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cris_rowlands:
I think I wont ditch my lovely TP2 until my contract is up.

(over a year away ¬_¬)

By then there will be plenty of Windows Phone 7 Series devices about.

If Im lucky, there will be a nice selection :)

If I had my way, I would have the phone I designed & had featured over at 1800pocketpc.com here: CLICK ME

I love the hardware keyboard on the TP2, but the HD2 is really very tempting

the screen is just so huge & its so nippy. I would probably use the HD2 mainly for films, music and games.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ButtonBoy:
Just give me a tweaked up iPhone

I have had it with WinMo. WM7 doesn't do it for me either. Microsoft has lost me for good. As much as I hate how heavy-handed Apple is with their products, I must admit they are good...

So Apple: Please build the next version of the iPhone with the following features and you will have me:

1. SIM unlocked- yes I will pay extra. I travel internationally, and I have quite a collection of SIMs.

2. Quad-band networking. I would like to have 3G in the US as well as Europe & HK.

3. Faster processor

4. More memory- 16G is a good start

5. Scheduling support for Exchange Servers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] marduk79:
My wife has the HD2 and I love the speed along with the roms that are being cooked for it. However, my TP2 has that awesome keyboard along with swipe so, until something of equal physical keyboard with a 1 gb + chipset is created, I will have my TP2. Whether that's this year, the next or the one after.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] EWAdams:
There's no substitute for a real hardware keyboard.

I've been clumsy and uncoordinated since childhood. I type reasonably fast on a real keyboard, but screen keyboards drive me nuts. No tactile feedback and I'm always hitting the wrong thing.

I loved my Blackberry Bold, but the hardware keyboard had a couple of problems and I dislike on principle being tied to RIM's servers. TP2 gives me a bigger screen, touch capability, and a better keyboard than the Bold. Plus I can upgrade the OS thanks to all the good folks here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Correct!

Could not be more agree with you!

Not any virtual keyboard will be better than typing on REAL keys:cool:

As for the thread theme, something like Leo with 1ghz processor and hardware keyboard will be perfect!

I can´t see any upgrade for Rhodium in 2010...

Perhaps mids 2011 we can see some light.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] demandarin:
The new and upcoming Dell Streak 5. Coming this summer/september. It has Android as the OS, Snapdragon Processor, Dual Cam(one in front and back) for video conferencing, 5in. Capacitive touchscreen with multi-touch, 16gb internal ram(flash), micro Sd card(up to 32gigs), newest bluetooth, wifi, and best of all, 3g connectivity. ill probaly be able to juss plop my rhodium sim card n there and im good to go. This is being marketed as a fully fledged and Capable Tablet PC from Dell. AT&T is bringn it. cant wait. dayummmm...it blows any and every phone coming out that ive seen. actually blows away any tablet pc ive seen also. check it out. im not exaggerating either ;) Its a tablet PC and a Phone in one ..CHEERS
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] scotthubbard:
I just receive my touch pro 2 today and was surprised to see it now ships with a version of sense 2.5.

My phone has Manila version 2.5.20121225.0

And ROM version 2.07.401.1 (80303)

I've not seen this before and haven't seen upgrades available to this version so was a little surprised. I didn't think 2.5 ran very well on devices below the snapdragon processor and especially didn't think these devices would ever ship with it!

Seems to work quite well though, pretty fast for a factory ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
What carrier model was it, or is it unbranded? And what channel did you buy it through?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AlkamistStar:
Nice...

I'd like to know the same questions. Who did you get the phone from? what carrier?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] scotthubbard:
the phone came as an unlocked HTC device from a supplier we use at work.

they were actually out of stock for 2 weeks so this is fresh stock from HTC, wonder if there will be an upgrade. would also be interested to see the chefs start from a 2.5 rom thats already designed for a lower spec device!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Nice!! You get a Rhodium for work??

Can we assume that it's a WWE (world-wide english) ROM? I agree that there's going to be a lot of people here who will want to get to tinker with that...do you think you're adept enough to be able to follow instructions on how to extract a copy of your ROM for devs to play with?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bizybone:
Hasn't Official Rhodium 2.5 ROMs been out since late feb?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=634536
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
I just didn't realize those were from a Rhodiumm, and I didn't notice there was a WWE one there already...

I'd still be interested in seeing build number etc, to see if this one matches what's already been seen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bizybone:
It's ok wasn't trying to make you look stupid. Manila Build numbers seem to match OP's. Check out post #50 on the link
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
thanks LOL, I was just getting there right as you posted that :D
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
Hi all

At the moment I seem to be getting about 10hrs out of my battery that came with me brand new HD2!

I was told to upgrade my radio which i did to 2.08 and firmware which i did to ENERGY ROM 23544 but the battery life is the same, maybe i have a faulty battery!!!!

I just did a Battery Log and need your help in trying to find the problem and hopefully getting me to the point of my phone lasting 24hrs would be good!!!

the phone was put into standby mode and left yet it goes upto 200+mAh when the screen is off

ok i have email checked every 15min

no weather

no location

no facebook or twitter

just emails

wifi off

WMlongbatterylife installed so 2G all the time except when running certain apps which are not in use when in standby, I have emails to use on 2G

just cant understand why it can go to 12mAh in standby but not stay there,(in standby mode is 12mAh high)

ok a little increase but not 250+mAh, i could understand it being every 15mins for the email but its every couple of minutes!!

in taskmanager all that was in it for this test was active sync and arkswitch, plus batter Log v0.2.1.1

Please please help

Battery Log

Battery Test Graph

just in case the test was too small, i did a test on the 15th March which i will also upload just in case it can help, many thanks

15thMarch Bat Test
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Way too short indeed. Make one over one whole day, or at least over 50% of the battery, and if possible tell when the phone is in standby and when in use, hard to guess what you're doing from the log.
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
I did Nothing, the 1st log was the phone in standby, the screen was off so why would it go up and down in the 2nd graph when its in stand by, its crazy that every couple of seconds it goes upto 200+ mAh

the short log and graph are the same time when the phone was in standby!!!
[HD2 General] kilrah:
I meant on the longer log, the short one is too short to see much.

You certainly have some program that wakes up the device repeatedly to do whatever...
[HD2 General] jsw44:
I have had my phone since december. My experience was also unforgivingly short battery time to start with, just as you have. My experience is however that the battery time has increased more or less continously up to now. Now it may last one full day, through the night and maybe all of next day (with moderate use and no automatic checks). Letting the battery down to 1-3% before charge did speed this process.
[HD2 General] afropolak:
Where can I find such Battery Log / graph app ?
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
i did a bat log test last night when i was sleeping and if you could have a look at it when i post it that would be great i was sleeping so i do not understand why it shows a 150+mAh strange!!

all that is running is emails every 15mins i did a bat log test last night when i was sleeping and if you could have a look at it when i post it that would be great i was sleeping so i do not understand why it shows a 150+mAh strange!!

so to make clear, last night i was sleeping, phone in standby mode but i have emails every 15mins

no weather

no twitter

no FB

no location

wmlonglife installed

as far as i know its just emails are running every 15mins

when i go in task manager all that is there is active sync and bat log

but if i go in processes i see more :(

Bat Log App

Bat Log running all night when i was sleeping

These are the processes that were running
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Wow, your nights are short :eek: :D

Anyway, there's something that prevents your HD2 from going to standby, as there's no "hole" in the log. I was suspecting it was the logging software itself (if it logs, the device must be running, right?)

But I tested it and it doesn't seem to cause trouble, see attached log. When the device is properly off, the log stops.

I also tried without logging but by watching the graph, knowing each square is 15secs by default (3x5), during a 10min standby the graph only advanced 15sec, so the time out of standby is minimal.
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
haha yes sad to say last night was short, head hit the pillow at 2am and was up at 6am :(

but thanks for replying

so like i said i have my emails downloaded every 15mins, could this stop my device going into standby??

i used to have it set up through gmail but with the bad battery time i thought i would try outlook, tried push which got them instantly but that was a shorter battery so now i am trying through outlook but every 15mins like i had before, but still just as bad!!

on all the logs i have done when i press my power key so my screen goes off and i do not touch my phone my mAh just never stays low, sometime over 200+mAh with the screen turned off so my battery just dies in 10hrs!!

as far as i know from the apps in task manager and the processes all i have running is my mail and the needed system processes so i am struggling, i would kill for it to last 24hrs and i never thought i would say that because that is still short i think!!

another 1350 extended battery on its way but i think no matter what battery i have if the phone is using upto 200+mAh in standby then it will just drain it too

please help as i am stuck now :(
[HD2 General] kilrah:
I'd try getting rid of the programs that run (shakeandsave and possibly wmlonglife, one at a time).

If it still fails... well, reflash another ROM with the recommended radio, with prior mtty erase, then a good hard reset after flashing (read the flashing tutorials for those), and try again without installing any program.

Push should use less power as it only turns on and transfers data if needed, not every 15mins for nothing.

I run with data, wifi and push active 24/7, and a 8hr night only eats me 5-10% of battery.
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
Thanks for that great set of advice

not wanting to sound like a school yard kid being a copy cat but 5-10% sounds great to me, dont suppose i could know what ROM and Radio your running so i could try your setup....please!!!!!

thanks for all your help ;)
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Check my signature, the ROM already contains the appropriate radio and it works fine at least where I am.
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
Since your advice on removing WMlonglife i have a question

that app used to disconnect my internet connection when i finish with the internet or when it checked me email

but now because i do not have the app when i click the top bar on my home page it shows my internet connection and battery and always at the side of the top bar is the clock ticking away saying i have been connected for 13hours and increasing, now yes i have a unlimited internet kind of, its meant to be unlimited but they said its a 3GB limit and when i go over 3GB they will just decrease my internet speed, so i have no problem with it being connected all the time but wont that use my battery????
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Nope, being connected all the time has no drawback that I could notice. And as you said they'll bother you if you transfer more than 3GB, time doesn't count.
[HD2 General] Chrisuk80:
Excellent, then i will let the time tick away since its not downloading anything unelss its fetching an actual email

in that case it looks like the problem for me was WMlonglife which is crazy since its an app to make battery life longer it did the opposite for me

i unplugged my phone from a full night charge at about 9am and now its nearly 4pm and i am on 88% with push email on and about an hours music and changing setting ang general going through the phone and replying to about 12 emails so far which i have recieved since taking my phone off charge!!

also 3G but no BT or wifi running!

if this keeps up i will easily get through a full day and now i have 2 batteries i think all is good

so thank you, thanks for the fast replies and all your help!!

Christopher
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Great, your battery life is even better than mine now :D
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jimbo42:
My phone call quality is quite bad in Android. I'm using Myn's Warm Donut (I love it) and the 3-10-2010 nbh. Is this common or should I try a re-install? I also have very little battery life if I use the phone very long for calls.

I appreciate any advice you all might have!

RS
[Touch CDMA Android Development] hexto:
Echo is most likely a network or hardware issue. Doesn't seem likely that its a ROM issue especially since no one is is having this issue. Since you are having problems with battery life as well I recommend you flash to the latest NBH which is 3-16-10 for the Vogue. You should be getting battery life comparable to WinMo. Good luck
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jimbo42:
Thanks, I'll try a newer nbh and a new battery. I'd really love to stick with my poor man's Android.
[HD2 Accessories] Procesme:
Hi guys, i search for this subject, but i didnt found a answer on my question..

I have bought an HD2 2 weeks ago, and now i'm searching for an screenprotector. All my friends (no HD2's) have static protectors (so, no glue usages).. They say Static adherence is better, because it leaves no glue when you remove the protector (and adhesive protectors do?).

For the HD2 instead I can find only adhesive protectors, or protectors where iam not sure how they adhere to the phone..

For instance, the 'screen only' version of invisible shield, is that a adhesive or static protector?

Martin Fields notes that their protector is removable, but still with "A mild adhesive"

Also it is not clear if the basic protector of HTC is using Adhesive

I found one protector for HD2, that is using Static adherence: ScreenGuardz (screenguardz.com). Problem is that I dont find anybody who bought this allready..

In short i have 2 questions:

1. Is it true that when you remove a protector with adhesive adherence, there will stay some glue on your phone?

2. Adhere the "screen only" protector of invisible shield adhesive or static? And if this one is adhesive, do you know an other static protector?

Thanks in advance, Proces
[HD2 Accessories] fantasytozi:
I got a Martin Fields one, the best I have ever seen. 90% clear in ads but I have to say nearly 95% or 99% clear. Smooth sliding like original glass. I dont have a good hand but it's really easy to install with no crazy bubbles. I removed it once for washing, no feel of glue at all.

I used to buy cheap screen protector but this time I went for Martin Fields. I didnt want my lovely HD2 to be damaged. No regret at all. It's just worth it.
[HD2 Accessories] Inferi0r:
Is Martin Fields Scratch-proof like the one from zagg.com That's a lot better then that you've to replace your screen protector every month(s).
[HD2 Accessories] fantasytozi:
I havent used zagg invisible shield so I cant answer u. But from what I read so far, zagg is not really so invisible and Martin Fields's protector is not better at anti-scratch than zagg's one.

However, some guys said after a long time using zagg, there's some odd brown spot in his shield for HD2, look like mudd or sth else. And zagg is not as smooth as Martin Fields. That lead me to my decision.
[HD2 Accessories] MrDerrickC:
The ones I use is Exim, used it on my last few devices and it is perfect. Can't tell a screen protector is being used both visually or by touch.
[HD2 Accessories] Procesme:
The Exim protector seems to be nice! No glue, and (according to the ads) perfect quality.. Can you tell something about your experience with the Exim? How went the installation (and re-installation)?

Martin Fields or Exim dont make a difference in price (£10).. The glue free feature of Exim makes me think to choose the Exim.

Other opinions why I have to choose an other Screen Protector?
[HD2 Accessories] heavyhms:
Use a Brando Ultraclear: fits perfect with no glue (removable, washable and re-usable). I'm using on hd2 and is totally unnoticeable; i had on my previous device (and on my TomTom also) and after one year there are no scratch on surface and the screen protector appears like brand new
[HD2 Accessories] MrDerrickC:
Installation is the same as any other screen protector. After I installed it, if there is any dust specs behind the protector, I simply lift it up with masking tape and use another piece of masking tape to remove the dust.

I just removed my exim from my old Diamond (after 2 years ish) and the screen is in perfect condition with no residue left.