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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
Anyone else think that this thread should be stickied as most of the other ones are based on mere speculation? Would be great for those who come here seeking actual facts about WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
Las Vegas: GMT -7.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] souljaboy:
what site are the streams(if any) going to be available ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Damn you style1 :) I am so jealous ...

Buy good camera and make some photos, upload it here (on your first post in this thread of course)!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
http://live.visitmix.com/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
If I am not mistaken, it would be here:

http://live.visitmix.com/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Added the link to my first post.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] souljaboy:
thanks but i only see a shadow placing things on a table :o
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hoss_n2:
what about hardware requirements
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Maybe they will reveal that in the first session or perhaps Windows Phone Application Platform Architecture session?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
talking to the guys from SPB, looks like they have somethings they may or may not show today. Those guys
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Great, hopefully they show whatever it is off!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] redd214:
the news and screenshots coming out of mx10 have really impressed me thus far. cant wait to see what else we learn about wp7s
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
WTF...

They are showing off Shazam...that is like eons old.

and the scroll list is still very laggy.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
Looked better in person, I want to note as well that their third party apps pause in the back ground and are not actually closing. Which could be considered multitasking. Mainly because they can be fully integrated into the the experience. IE, netflix was added to the zune experience even though its a 3rd party app. As such it paused in the background when not in use...but it can be hot swapped to
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
That picture app was slow but other then that everything else seems pretty fluid so far.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
agreed.

The soccer app was cool, but still had tiny buttons on the screen.

and what was with those tiny "checkbox-es" ? Couldn't they make them large when you press on them?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Do you know where can I see the keynote again?

I paused the video and went dinner, but now it is channel9 ... and I cannot find the keynote :(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] theredundant:
someone ask a qn about hd2 gettin the upgrade or not :P @ch9live twitter
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I'm sure someone will ask that lol.

Also added link to download developer tools.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
someone ask HD2 and multitasking pleaseeeeeee ... twitter @ch9live
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
The tool is free ... but we need to pay $99/year to put it into marketplace, which I think thats the only way.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Yes but you can still download the tools and use them until you're ready to deploy. Then you have to pay the yearly fee.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mazzarin:
You can upload apps directly to the phone... unclear, but stated.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Local distribution of apps is available by deploying to device. Well that should mean if we can't make installs outside of marketplace we can still deploy source and use VS to install over XDA.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Something mentioned a special type of membership who does not need to pay fee. It should be in the keynote .... but I did not watch full.

Loke mentioned few minutes ago,.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Unless you're a dreamspark member (Like me) and the fee is waved.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Dreamspark is for people in college. It's basically student account. I'm working on a degree in Computer Engineering and I have a dreamspark account so no yearly fee for me (YAY).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
PInvoke is OUT officially!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Yep just heard it also. He straight up said not allowed at all.

He's tip-toeing around the specs.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
WTH??? They don't want to answer this question below (related to sideloading):

" ... Is Marketplace going to be the only way to get apps on the win phone 7? Or can I develop my own apps & deploy on my personal phone? ..."

:( !
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] constructorx:
Question: Are XNA and Silverlight the only development platforms available on WP7S or is there access to underlying APIs?

Answer: Yes, XNA and Silverlight are the only development platforms.

Just on the live stream.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Somre more bad news from the developer documentation I just downloaded:

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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Well can't say I wasn't expecting that.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] lbhocky19:
that netflix app is amazing lookin. i really still want to get the hd2 next week though :/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Confirmed: Marketplace will be the only way to get apps on Windows Phone 7 Series. Except for source files can be deployed ^^.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hoss_n2:
let's hope tomorrow shows anything concerning hd2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
min specs:

4+ multi touch

5+ mp camera with flash

256+ mb of ram

8gb+ of flash storage

directx 9 gpu
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Ok, it is official ... it is not possible to sideload (install app directly to sd card):

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/

Too bad ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
8GB storage internal will be nice and I hope they use the QSD8672 chip. Dual core 1.5Ghz will rock.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] theredundant:
this mean hd2 wont be able to upgradE?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
they have just shown a samsung wm7 phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
no.

it does not have the gpu or flash storage. not sure it has a camera flash either
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Big screen size?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
because it does not multi task 100%, i guess thats the reason for the low ram.

i hope the phone companies dont just use the min specs for there release phones.

i want:

1gb+ ram

1ghz+ cpu

8mp+ camera

oled screen

keyboard

in my new phone
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
they did not say, from the pics it looked about 3.6 inch
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I'm with you there. I'm definitely looking for a hardware keyboard on my next device.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
69 pages explaining WP7 User Interface design:

http://download.microsoft.com/downl...eraction Guide for Windows Phone 7 Series.pdf
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Already put it on the first post got it off pocketnow.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
So, now it's official - no 3rd party multitasking, just push notifications, am I right?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I'm not sure on that one. We need a source.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
No app sideloading is officially confirmed: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Locked down file system is expected, true. I was just hoping that we would get some shared space as well, accessible to apps and the user.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Yes apps are only available from the marketplace.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
DivX support natively on WP7:

http://gizmodo.com/5493823/surprise-windows-phone-7-has-native-divx-support

How about "Xvid" ??

And iPhone does not have that DivX? Hmmm .... :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Yeah having some sort of file system access even if it's just a user folder would have been nice. There won't be any Thumb Drive mode looks like.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Pics of the Sumsung Phone and the requirements that have already been shown and a video.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/samsung-windows-phone-7-series-handset-makes-the-scene/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JediFonger:
is there truly no way to 'hack around' this?

i'm going to hedge a bet and say there is months after official release and hardware is in ha><or hands =).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gom99:
probably, but it's discouraging that you have to do it at all. I like a lot of things about wp7, but this isn't one of them. If I do end up using wp7 it would be inspite of this.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
There will be some sort of "unlocked" version. Maybe your phone goes into an "unlocked" mode if you push non-marketplace apps to it?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff462086(VS.92).aspx
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Re sideloading, you can deploy your app from Visual Studio. Now that it's free it is much easier. The problem is that it's a huge download, but maybe somebody smarter than I am could find just the executables/libraries that do the deployment?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
I think you need the source code of the application in order to be able to deploy to the phone.

So, that's the question ... source code available?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gom99:
If people make open source projects, it would be pretty easy for people to install things on their phone outside the market place...it was just be annoying since you need vs2010. So it's a bit weird if there's such an obvious work-around why MS bothered to abandon cab file deployment.

Also is it a function of vs2010, or just some executables off the framework itself with xcopy deployment or something? If it's the latter you shouldn't even need vs 2010 a msbuild, or nant script should suffice.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Not necessarily. You can create a binary package for Zune/Zune HD today with XNA. Will that continue on WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Well, the point in enforcing Marketplace installs is to make sure the general public goes the official route I guess...

I haven't used VS for quite a while, but I vaguely recall that there was a way to just deploy, without building/debugging. Or am I wrong?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
from the guidebook

"Super Responsive UI"

I can see it turning into

"Hyper Responsive UI" for the next generation of WP8

Ha Ha
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Posted a couple more news. Just got home time to install the WP7 SDK and see what I can do with it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Peew971:
No HD2 upgrade confirmed.

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/mix-microsoft-no-windows-phone-7-upgrade-for-htc-hd2
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Thanks I'll add it to the front page!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
I am wondering how much should we pay for Xbox LIVE account "just" for the WP7?

We can have that without having an Xbox hardware, correct?

Because I dont want to buy Xbox soon :) Waiting for Project Natal or so after it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
You can download games in Xbox Live on a silver membership which is what I have so I don't think it will cost anything. Gold memberships are required for playing online. I don't even know if playing with friends over the net on WP7 will even be possible at the moment.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gom99:
Silver - Free

Gold - Paid

comparison

Basically unless there are MP games, or you like social stuff the silver is all you need as you pay for games with marketplace points anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Good if the silver membership is free ... :)

And about multiplayer over the net on WP7, that is possible:

http://www.slashgear.com/windows-phone-7-series-game-hub-video-demonstration-1577752/

I hope this turn-by-turn is covered by the silver membership.

Only for turn-by-turn (asynchronous). So, real time multiplayer like WoW is not supported.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DaveShaw:
Just read the UI guide, it's going to be a whole different world...

Dave
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Sorry, that's what I meant. I know turn-by-turn is going to be allowed. I was meaning something like an MMO or playing at the same time like you said isn't. I think turn-by-turn type games won't require a membership. Actually I think it will all be free.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
Joe Belfiore said MULTITASKING is supported! NOT .... :(

So there you go ... as expected ...

NO MULTITASKING on WP7!

But save state is supported ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Yup just heard it from the mouth himself. 3rd Party Multitasking is NOT supported. But save states are supported!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
Win Phone 7 Ditches Multitasking, Memory Cards

Microsoft goes for a much more controlled, consumer experience

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361377,00.asp

It's official. :mad: Bye, bye, WinMo.:(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gom99:
Wow no SD cards? What reason would they come up with for that? I don't know why for every good thing I hear about the phones that they have to come up with something I don't like. I probably won't end up getting a wp7 when all is said and done with everything I've heard so far. But I do hope it does put a big dent in the iphone sales.

It looks like it's between Blackberry, Palm, and Google to battle it out for the next-gen mobile business platform/tech crowd while MS and Apple battle over the general consumer market.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] go0gle:
Everybody is forgetting Symbian for some reason. Symbian 3^ looks very promising! You can multitask and take a look at your file system..oh and... you can use your microSD card !!!! Amazing, eh? :)

I was really hoping for WMPS7 to support the basics but.. Guess not. Symbian ^3-^4 here I come.........i really didn't want to but..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Well atleast they require atleast 8GB memory on the device. I would much rather a SD card but this way we won't get stuck with low space devices.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
The reasons for me are: a) file system is locked - not entirely, but you cannot view application and system files - that part is invisible for user; b) you have to have a certificate to be able to install for example unsigned freeware app. Etc.;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] SonicFlare:
This is NOT Windows Mobile...

This is sick rip of iPhone :(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Alot of people asked for a ZUNE Phone. Well, this is it. Nothing really different then the Zune in terms of lock down. Just a whole lot more the the UI.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Symbian, for all intents and purposes, doesn't exist in the US. Not really sure why but it just doesn't.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gom99:
Pretty much, and for an entertainment device this has so many things going for it. Stylish UI, Netflix, Xbox integration, good rapid development tools, etc. I think it will go over well with most people. I'm still torn whether or not to get one. The techie in me says no, the gamer in me says yes.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
They've just used the same business-model, but it's still far different from the iPhone OS.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
You and me both. I like the UI but not how locked down it is. Although I just read that there will be a way to distribute apps in an enterprise setting that skips the marketplace. I hope we can use this to distribute our XDA apps.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Added Engadget - Microsoft confirms accuracy of old, pre-'reboot' Windows Mobile 7 leaks

Pictures of the old WM7 UI shown at MIX
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] digitaldon37:
According to the Charles Petzold book p.15, it looks like programs can be deployed over USB
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] elyl:
No memory cards is just ludicrous. Are they going to ship phones with 32Gb or more onboard memory? I want to carry all my music with me.

I never thought I'd say it, but it looks like I might jump ship to Android.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] go0gle:
I know... it just doesn't make any sense, does it ? I think Symbian will continue to hold most of the market share around the world. Now that I see what MS have done with their OS, I understand why most predictions about Symbian and Andorid being at the top for the next ~5 years are actually good. MS had a good shot at both Symbian and Android, but they chose to concentrate on the US market and fight the iPhone :confused: silly move ;)

Their excuse is this:

"Apps that run arbitrarily in the background create an end user experience where battery life and responsiveness of the system becomes … inconsistent," Kindel said. "We focused on getting a set of experiences right where we didn't have to support [multitasking,] but we will over time."

My 2 year old E71 can do it with 400mhz and 128 ram, without the "side effects"

Maybe when we get to 1.5 ghz dual core CPUs and 1gb of RAM they will add real time multitasking ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I have a Touch Pro2 it definitely starts to slow down with too many apps open. I don't think this is a deal breaker for me since I rarely use more then one 3rd Party App at a time. As long as I can listen to music and surf the net or read messages and play a game and resume it later I'm pretty much good.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JediFonger:
*sigh*....

no multitasking and no SD card does end this for me. i'll be looking towards android now.

it's stupid that there is NO multi-tasking AND SD in these days and age. i was expecting mulit AND SDXC for 2TB cards.

next MS product to hope for is the Courier since that is said to run on a variant of WP7S

edit: wait wait wait:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/confirmed-marketplace-will-be-the-only-way-to-get-apps-on-windo/

don't most enterprise apps demand multitasking? and what's to prevent you ha><ors from unlocking multi-tasking. this is based on win7 kernel isn't it?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Updated with all the news I could find. Time for bed see you guys in the morning. Hopefully there's somemore good stuff on the way!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JohnQ:
microsoft is learning from apple

that sealing up all the application policies, themes, even the button designs.

m$ is totally going apple's old path. making itself sealed up.

what a shxt!

i think i will stick to wm6.x for now. but in the future, who knows.

the mix 2010 just make me sick~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
I must say I'm really starting to warm up to WP7. :) I hate that I can't access the file system or expand the memory of the device using an SD-card, but the pros outweigh the cons imho.

Pros:

No more crappy devices without proper drivers

No more sluggish browsing(opera 10 beta 3 is great, but still not as fast as mobile safari)

No more incompatible software

No more looking around the net for two hours for an app you want

No more flashing new roms in order to fix a phone that should have been working correctly out of the gate

Proper games(probably wishful thinking on my part of getting a mobile version of Halo, Gears of War, GTA, Starcraft, Crysis, Portal etc.).

Good specs on all of the phones(Think about getting not one HD2 every year, but 10)!

Developers actually get paid for the work they do and don't have to rely on donations!

Proper music player due to Zune-integration.

Good social networking capabilities(for those of us who use facebook, twitter etc.)

Cons:

No file system access

No SD-cards

No proper multitasking(not confirmed)

No more UI-customizations

No more flashing roms(while I hate having to do it in order to fix broken things, I love doing it to see what extra performance the devs have managed to squeeze out of the device; makes having a phone fun!)

Only 3 buttons! Wtf were they thinking? An answer button is a must for us who live in countries where we have cold weather!

General lack of freedom

Now we just have to wait and see what apple has in store for us with the next iPhone!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
In order to counter the cons (well, apart from SD Card support) we need to jailbreak the damn thing. Now that the emulator image exists, somebody could explore how exactly they lock it down. Maybe (just maybe) MS won't be as religious as Apple in fighting JB attempts.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JediFonger:
what vangrieg said! i think there'll be a 'wink' towards enthusiast (my post about enterprise being able to sideload apps).

as long as there is enough onboard memory i'm fine w/o SD card. but multi-task is a min. requirement and i really feel like after jailbreaking this som1 will enable that to work, again WP7S is based on win7 kernel. don't see y it can't be done.

plus,toss3, the LG has slide out keyboard!!! =D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Added some more news Check this out from pocketnow:

So we can get our devices unlocked. Wonder if more perks other then side loading will come of this.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
with no sd card slot i would need at least 16gb of flash memory.

also if my phone went wrong and i had to do a backup would that be possible? pc backup? online backup?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I believe it's going to be using the Zune software for windows. Does that have any backup capabilities? Also, I think myphone is going to be supported as well.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
I'm using Zune software as my primary mp3 player now on my notebook. It doesn't have any backup options, but, on the other hand, I don't have a Zune hardware player, so this may be just hidden. In any case, I think that for WP7 it will be different.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I'm sure they will have to update it for WP7 to add the other functionality. Backups and such will probably be added.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
The thing that I hate and afraid if Microsoft does not provide that and

force

the user to backup in the "cloud" ...

Ala Sidekick !
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JediFonger:
i don't want to ever buy dataplans from phone carriers or be forced to. everywhere i am (Boston) has wifi. having dataplan is useless for me.

thus, i plan to use it minus data-plan =P. that's why i need everything to work offline.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Ganondolf:
i know it does not multi task but 256mb of ram does not seem like much, im worried that companies that make wm7 phones will use the min specs for as long as they can. the lg and samsung phone both seem to be running on the min specs
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
Yes I don't like the 256mb ram spec. They should atleast set that at 512 phones today already have much more then that and I think 256mb ram may bottleneck the device.