yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] haitaya:
Can this be uploaded to the HD2?

Can this be uploaded to the HD2?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
Yes. Just download the file and copy it to your HD2's storage.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pauldgroot:
Haha, made me laugh!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RufusThorne:
I'll buy someone a HD2 from ebay if they can get this working on it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Da_G:
Since this is x86 code and the HD2 is not an x86 processor, that would take some not so minor miracle :)

But i'm working on it from the ARM code, which is over there ---> and much more likely to succeed!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jose rivera:
hey i have a hd2 and want the emulator for wp7 if someone speak spanish beter... i want wp7 in my phone... seems to be cool..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Alex1411:
Thanks For Sharing!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] razor11:
New Rom

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=716860
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] techSage:
New Version of Development Tools for WP7 == New Image?

Today Microsoft announced a new version of the development tools for Windows Phone 7, which probably includes a newer version of the image used in the emulator. It would be great to get an unlocked version of this image, unless of course it is already unlocked (installing now).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] daniel-t:
It isn't...

I hope the features are still in there. The OS loading is done in 20 secs now, so either stuff is missing, or Microsoft are miracle workers.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KooKiz:
Well, the WP7 team objective is a OS loading in less than 17 seconds. So excpect the final release to be even faster :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Skatingn330:
How do you decompress the .dll and .exe files?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fishegg70:
wp7

I recentley contacted htc to tell them that I think we all deserve an apology for having to void our warrantys because the OS they delivered on the hd2 is flawed/unfinished and un-reliable, and that apology should come in the form of an update for WP7. I didnt metion that I use mattcfroyo of course, nor did I mention any names or websites in relation to this matter, but I just told them that I was tired of all the speculation on whether it is coming to us, and he said, Ican help you with this, there are no information on new updates for your device. please refer to out website for future updates. and thats it! so how can certain people be so sure that we are, so much so, that they bicker and defend this news in forums that I have been in. They kind of remind me of radical american christians but with WP7 as their god :D and they are willing to burn anyone who questions their faith. I would love to try it, but I certainley havent got my hopes up.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] orangekid:
1) We already knew WP7 wasn't coming officially to the HD2. And that's a Microsoft thing not an HTC thing; you called the wrong company. The way you are describing the conversation I'm surprised he was as nice to you as you claim.

2) What does nationality or religion have to do with anything? I'd keep the bigoted metaphors out of these forums.

3) This is not about an official version but a port either via nand or emulator on SD like the haret we use for Android (more probable), which is possible so far as some of us can tell.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bqtuanprosty:
not for hd2.

so bad......
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Robot_Man:
Hi, I just started into this emulator thing, downloaded developer tools yesterday, it woks fine, with new app it runs the emulator and IE woks nice, but after downloading the Rom here(WM70full and WM70c1), when I type:

XDE WMfull.bin

in CMD no thing happens.

what do I do wrong?

Thakns
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] andrew-in-woking:
Emulator command

Hi Robot_Man

You need to type:

XDE.exe WMfull.bin

Where you are in the directory that the XDE.exe file is, e.g.:

C:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft XDE\1.0\

and your emulator image file is WMfull.bin

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jamiehd2:
Could be booted by win32 disk imager by the device can hardly upload files from SD card, and it can't be booted on the main memory because of the low space! any idea!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ShUvR0:
Can i install it my O2 atom ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Codesapien:
Following that logic... we might as well wait until 2042, I heard Windows Mobile 20 will be just AMAZING!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mr.zeus:
plz link the last build wich work great on X64
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Awesoft:
XDE.exe WM70Full.bin does not work for me (nothing happens).

Where is the problem?

Thank you in advance
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] agentfazexx:
(Repeat, I know...but...) Any working ROM for HD2 yet?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] shubham3293:
will it works on htc touch viva ??

if i download device emulator image, what will be the procedure to run windows 7 on my WM.

if this not way to do so, can any one tell me how can i have windows 7 on my windows mobile

(Windows mobile 6 professional)

Thanks in advance.

waiting for your response
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MJCS:
Has anyone dumped the lastest bin?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KooKiz:
Bump.

The latest build I have is 7629. I'm struggling to find a dump of a more recent build. Does someone have a lead?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ZeBond:
You can always do it yourself, as long as you have the BIN.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MJCS:
That is if you have MSDN :\
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] DavidinCT:
COuld this turn to be like the old Windows Mobile days ?

Or am I dreaming ?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KooKiz:
Is that a good or a bad thing? :p

Thanks for the tip, but as MJCS said, I'd need a MSDN subscription to download the tools.

Still, thanks for the lead. I managed to find a dump of the 7661 build, but it still is too old. I'm going to see if I can find the Windows CE Platform Builder elsewhere.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KooKiz:
I managed to find the tools here: http://www.t-hack.com/wiki/index.php/NK.BIN_toolset

The dump procedure you linked was flawless. Thanks a bunch :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] moroelashea:
god

شكرا
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] wtfkeyhole2pro:
xde.exe path to image.bin (xde.exe is located at "C:\Program Files\Microsoft XDE\1.0\XDE.exe")
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Mguay:
More help needed...

But the download is a rar file ... I can open it in 7zip, but how do we make/get a bin from it?

And does this have anything different that what we're seeing in the default WM70C1.bin that is installed with the WinPhone7 dev tools?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] stan2:
I hope MS will be nice to XDA reguarding the leakage.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] rouzb3h:
what good is this when it cannot be ported to any device?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zcb:
oh,my God!

I can't believe it.

I will try it.

Thanks!12tp
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] saints5354:
There shd be a lot of M$ spy here, just hope they are kind enough ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] drive2droad:
how about making a rom image which can be flashed onto a real phone, there are awesome developers here at xda who are capable of doing this.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Wheezle:
This is NOT A LEAK.

It's simply ripped from the emulator which is available for FREE from Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MrWhisper:
3 buttons may not necessary anymore

lol
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dickenz:
All you guys asking when and how and if we can have a ROM.....

We can't yet.

This is simply the emulator tools designed to run on x86 compliant hardware. This is by no means a ROM or will it ever be a ROM in this form, let's not clog the thread with continuous useless requests to have this converted to a ROM or 'how can I get it on my device ASAP'... We need to be patient.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] p3ngwin:
and yet http://pocketnow.com/rumor/htc-hd2-seen-running-windows-phone-7-very-very-good-news
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pupakota:
dude, 98% of users are not able to understand You here..

they are consumers, lol, not developers.

tragic, but, true.

wow, HD2 has picture viewer? i thought there's only marketplace and twitter...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mazzarin:
pocketnow was just quoting other sites, they didn't see it themselves.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
Yes, seems like only around 50 people on this board are actually familar with development. Why the heck would you need file system access and a native API! That's sooo stone age! Ha!

I hope those people still keep sticking to 6.5.x for a while, otherwise the only reason to visit this site would be android (and I hate android)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] p3ngwin:
who cares about the source?

unless the pic is fake, that's a HD2 running a build of WM7.

we care more about the possibility of WM7 being real on the device than the source and method of

how

we get the info.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anaadoul:
To everyone who is saying that this is a fake, check the keynote of MIX (i guess joe said that) that the emulator is a real build of the phone so some times you will get random errors about battery and bla bla bla because it thinks it is a phone.

i do tend to believe that it is true due to the fact that there was no time and everything was hush hush so they couldn't do muck real emulator stuff. maybe next emulator versions :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Cotulla:
dumped rom:

http://www.multiupload.com/WYKJJNBZOV

however this ROM for X86 CPU, so it's complete useless for ARM devices.

Also ROMIMAGE format without relocations, so it can't be relocked to other addresses.

(dump have

wrong machine type

in

dll/exe

files. It must be X86 instead of ARM)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Even if it were compiled for ARM processors, it doesn't have hardware drivers, so it's not usable really for the purpose of making a ROM.

Apart from that, the hardware requirements for WP7 make HD2 incompatible - there's no support for storage cards, and HD2 simply doesn't have enough storage.

On the other hand, maybe somebody can start working on a jailbreak for the thing - we need it for sure. :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MattJ1989:
Wow. So it begins.

This has sparked my interest in making some apps :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pupakota:
you know, shame it will kill >65k of EXISTING apps in exchange for 464575684979469894947699+2(+marketplace and twitters) of bs.

shame that NOBODY is able to realize that.

have fun with your..phones, guys.

MattJ1989, good luck with your apps, mate. you may became STAR of XDADEV, damn, go for IT! Remember, blue colour is a MUST for gui(blue=bestseller,it's SO wm7ish,y'know).

btw, how many accounts here(on xdadev) are made by HTC/m$ workers to advertise that wm7 bull**** for unconscious consumers?

let's summarize topic:

so, nabs, go get some sleep. no fun for consumers(fresh "users" of ex-pda's) - nobody will spend his time for ya for now.

(topic unsuscribed)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
Wow you must have a crystal ball or something because I sure as hell haven't seen anything that would stop the devs of the current WM 6.5 apps from porting them to WP7. What applications are you even talking about? I've been using WM for three years now and have yet to see a single application, apart from gps software, that would work better on WM than on the other two platforms.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pupakota:
you should see wm matter for 6 yrs to stop focking playing on my nerves, dude. 80% of apps worth using are made for wm03. and i am not talking about goddamn 6.5 **** here.

have fun, please, do not ask.

cya.

sorry for spoiling that wonderful topic. 80% of old users are thinking about leaving wm platform, i can see this every day. many left already(seeing 6.5 bs).

of course, it doesn't matter, as cash flow in market is GREAT, yes?

so i am sure you will get your twitters and googlemaps in your great marketplace.

no prob.

upd: sry, and youtube player too, WOW.

btw, Toss3, have you ever been here 4 yrs ago?

mhmmm.k. this place was something different we can see it now.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Toss3:
In other words there are none..

/derail thread

Btw. does anyone know when the first HTC device running WP7 is rumored to hit the market?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pupakota:
you are ridiculous, i wont waste my time for answer lol.

wanna list, pm me, ****.

topic derailed. hf.

Mod Edit: The politeness police have edited this post. Please be nice:)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] young blade:
Guys lets behave ourselves.. I've seen a lot of threads closed/locked and it all started with this kind of temper..:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fluidj:
i'll try it

:D

This should be fun.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] saints5354:
Is true ... the wave of WP7S.

MS thinking of making $$, we are thinking how to win over a debate ... lol.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] NoWorthWhile:
Hmmm, thanks for the dump.

Althought, I don't really see the point as the emulator is available already, for free.

And, having fooled around with that emulator, I don't see anything except the Internet Explorer, so we really can't do anything...

(I'm tempted to stard developping for this platform... I shouldn't have started medical school hahah xD)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] xdmcdmc:
As I looked at the dump files, it seems that a lot of MS applications there are still coded in C++ and not in Silverlight or other crap. The structure of the OS is somehow more or less changed than what we used to know in WM6. Also don't know why some people here are saying that the emulator is for x86???? the files in the dump are coded for WM (portable executable), so?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
Did you notice all the office apps in SYS? ;) The emulator looks fully loaded... Just crippled somewhere.

Update: The dll's seem to be ARM too, and the subsystem is definitely CE7.0.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Of course they use native code for their apps! All the APIs are certainly there, it's just a matter of getting access to them.

I've never seen any office apps working in any of the presentations. I guess it's just the part that's not ready, they pushed the emulator out so that people can try what development is like for the platform.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ciko84xp:
In download... :D

I'm not a developer.. but this is my passion, and even if I did not solve anything, I'm sure will amuse me very!!! :D ;)

i have realized that this release is only for x86 CPU (like my PC), and for now I am going to enjoy this. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Unfortunately, there's not much to enjoy in this emulator - there are no apps, no way to browse the filesystem or peek into the registry... Not with the tools I know of and can use.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Chainfire:
You can peek in the registry by finding default.hv and user.hv in sys\metadata folder.

It looks pretty much the same as WM6.5 registry, but with some changes from CE5 -> CE6.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
Did you notice all the office apps in SYS? ;) The emulator looks fully loaded... Just crippled somewhere.

Update: The dll's seem to be ARM too, and the subsystem is definitely CE7.0.

Update2: It looks like buried underneath WP7, is much of WindowsMobile - categorized into packages. Very interesting. Also most of the built-in apps they've been showing off (even simple stuff like settings) are runtimetype='Native'... WTF?!

Update3: Lots of references to UIX in there... Interestingly - http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071116/microsoft-iris-uix-framework-zune/ - This is not Silverlight - ROFL...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Yeah, but I meant playing with registry on a running emulator, like you can do with WM SDK and tools. To see the .hv files there's no emulator needed.

Good to see you here Chainfire though! Working on that jailbreak already? :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] davehries:
Hi, New here. I am considering the HTC HD2 for my new phone. I find this thread to be very interesting and I hope to gain some helpful insight into this phone. I will most likely, just be a follower for now. Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
oh my oh my... Silverlight = marketing, UIX = reality... *very confused* - is it possible this is a little smoke and mirrors? ;) There is a whole lotta Zune in there...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] czbenson:
awesome ,,, i like it .
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Logicalstep:
Very interesting. Nice to see a first glimpse of the OS I guess.

Lots of people saying about hardware restrictions, But the guys here know how to overcome such things. at the end of the day it'll be down to Driver support for devices rather than CPU speed, after all this thing isn;t doing anything different to 3rd party Apps like Pointui and Touchxperience, in fact it's probably doing less, so I don;t believe the hardware will be a problem.

I was reading on the Register that MS only started seriously developing WinPhos a year ago! that means it's probably very similar underneath to 6.5, by that I mean the general structure of the OS not the OS itself.

I can see MS coming down hard on XDA for trying to crack the OS when we finally get a ROM dump, as they seem to be really restricting this time around. They will probably give the guys here a years worth of unhindered OS cracking (jailbreaking) just so they can get some free debugging, then they'll stamp their foot down hard.

Waiting for a WInPhoS ROM for my Touch HD (LOL!) ;)

Logicalstep
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kilrah:
Hmm, if this teaches something is that the whole "starting from scratch" marketing thing is just BS as well... which is a good thing :D

If it was a "real" completely new platform, the image format, fileystem etc would be different, and none of the current WM tools would be of any use on WP7 stuff... so if you guys could already unpack everything and find known stuff it still means it will be only a "variation" to which some adaptations will be needed, but no need to start over with a blank page and having to reverse angineer everything, write the tools, etc...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
Are you using hvedit.exe to crack open the .hv files? The version posted on xda seems to crash on large binary keys [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\Notifications\DeviceReg] - Caller Token.

Also I think you'll find that all the native executables (dlls/exe) are actually CE7 (according to depends.exe) !
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
hmmm there's still startmenu.dll!?

Edit:.... and there's a FileBrowser.exe (interesting at least)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
I think you'll find that the 'locking down' aspect and reducing (or enabling - depends on how you look at) developers to using silverlight + XNA + .NET CF is critical to Microsoft's dumbing down of the platform - and consequently their ability to compete.

How it works underneath really doesn't matter to the end user. For some developers it matters (especially if they are forced to open up an Android like NDK (native developers kit))...

The strange thing though is the complete lack of reference to UIX (which I am only just learning about). It seems it was rooted in Windows Media Center - and is not really related to xaml - wpf/silverlight at all :)

So it kind of went Media Center -> Zune -> Windows Phone... How it integrates with Silverlight is well, interesting... :P
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kholk:
Downloaded from Microsoft and tried.

I have to admit, it seems too much "locked", like iPhoneOS... if the OS is LARGELY stripped down on XDE, WM6.5.3 is better in usability...

...Anyway, let's wait for an ARM leak...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] landslide:
I think you'll find the emulator is ARM running CE7 :) According to depends.exe.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fb401:
Buried in Da_G's "WM 6.5.x Latest Release" post was a message from him about the WP7 branch starting and that it was "very similar" to the current 6.5 branches but "extremely buggy". I have no doubts that regardless of their "from scratch" mantra, there's still some old WM buried in the center.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
I guess it depends on the definition on "WM". :) It's a new kernel - no doubt about it. We get a different UI, drivers, hardware acceleration support etc. Since it's a CE there's still a coredll.dll (or whatever it is), and many of the goodies (or baddies) that we're used to.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sunnymiu:
I heard that the dump is including Office but the emulator version don't (displayed). So can I cover the dump to the emulator resources to get the emulator more functional? So poor that we can just use the IE function now.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hasseye:
whats the website to try the emulator?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] tuk202122:
I can't lunch the émulator with the dumpr rom download in this topic...Can you help me please
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] tomasz:
If you want to run the emu, see post #14 in this thread. Download and install VS2010 express and run a debug session.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] maxh2005:
Does anyone else here have a sneaking feeling about WP7S? Namely that it's JUST THE SAME OLD CODE from Microsoft, tweaked and tarted up, and then utterly locked-down, to create WP7S? I have a sneaking feeling that jailbroken WP7S devices will run the same old code as before because the core won't have changed much at all apart from the lock-down (OK, some tweaking necessary, but I'm thinking not-a-full-rewrite)

All sorts of things seem to have *not changed at all*, technically, from WM6.5. For instance, the WM5+ emulators were all genuine ARM-compiled code, running on a device emulator which converted from ARM to X86 on the fly. So the binaries you ran on the emulator are the same as on the phone. From the descriptions of the new emulator image it sounds like this is still true.

Hm, would any of those leaving WM because of the WP7S debacle, consider staying if jailbroken WP7S phones were as open as WM6.5?

:edit: This would tie in nicely with Microsoft's plans to let corporate deployment bypass the Marketplace... I always wondered what they planned to do about all that corporate investment in previous versions of WM - maybe all that code will still run providing it's appropriately signed by Microsoft's Corporate Appeasement Division?!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Chainfire:
Partially true... WP7S's core system is just an upgrade to WM6's core system. But the entire windowing system seems to be gone. So you'd still have to make different UIs for apps that run on WP7S. But most non-UI code should in theory work like a charm (barring the core differences between CE5 and CE6), including native, services, multi-tasking, etc.

In essence, WP7S is just an upgrade from CE5 to CE6, with a different UI and locked down.

It is _quite_ likely that once we have a _real_ WP7S ROM and a device, a HardSPL can be made as usual, we can change some policies in the registry hives, and have a _true_ WM7. Probably the biggest issue will be getting a HardSPL to flash :)