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[Desire General] riz157:
I myself have owned Iphone 3gs, Hd2 and Hero and now waiting for delivery of Desire. To be honest For apps there is no comparison between Iphone and Andriod apps, iphone wins every time.

If apps are the major issue for you then don't buy desire, as you will be slightly dissappointed in lack of quality apps in comparison to the Iphone. But what it lacks in apps it certainly makes up in every other way.

The interface is better, it offers more seamless integration of your contacts from all of your various lists and address books - be they Skype, Twitter, your phone book, Facebook - and knits them together for a more intelligent experience. Multi tasking, optical pad, internet browsing better experience etc the list goes on and on.

That is why I choose to go with Desire and got rid of my Iphone 3GS, let's hope I'm not dissappointed.
[Desire General] The_Stranger:
For now.. Recent research has shown that more than 50% of the iphone developers is planning to develop for android too, so with a bit of luck and some patience, the level of quality will be improving.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
an official statement from Redmond itself

Windows Phone 7 Series will not initially offer copy and paste; instead, we try to solve the most common uses for copy and paste via single-tap action. For example, people often want to take an address and view it on a map, highlight a term in the browser and do a search or copy a phone number to make a call. Instead of the user manually doing a copy and paste in these scenarios, we recognize those situations automatically and make them happen with just one touch. In our early testing people have been pleased with this approach, but we're always listening to feedback and will continue to improve our feature set over time based on what we hear.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/19/microsoft-windows-phone-7-series-will-not-initially-offer-copy/

so what do you guys think now??
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
So, in other words, copy & paste is officially NOT coming. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I think that this is just PR bull**** which restates what was said at MIX - no copy and paste, and a lame attempt to present smartlinking (which is undoubtedly great stuff) as a solution to this. Saying that something will be done "over time" is equivalent to saying nothing. They don't even specifically say that copy/paste will be done "over time", it's just a vague "our feature set will improve". Of course it will. It just doesn't answer the question.

I frankly don't understand how anyone can buy this as an answer.

In any case, now that PR department took control of the issue, we'll never know anything about it until it happens (which may be 1 week, 3 years after release, or never).
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
its coming just not anytime soon:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
They didn't say even this much, you're imagining it because they worded it this way.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ganondolf:
if u look at pass history of these companies, when it says a feature is not needed they are really saying is they wont have it available so we will say its not needed till we have it ready.

by the comment they have made they will at some point add copy and paste.

here are some companies that have said stuff like this:

APPLE =

copy and paste is not needed.

ipods users dont need to watch movies as they only use it for music.

ipod users dont need games as they only use it for music.

Sony =

playstation 3 does not need dual shock in there pads as most people dont want it.

motion games are gimicks.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
In the examples you're talking about, it took years to implement those things.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Ganondolf:
true but as microsoft have had copy and paste in wm already, hopefully they have a good idea how to do it and it wont take as long as a company starting from scratch.

saying this i expect it to be about a year after wm7 launch, as im expecting ms to do the same as apple by updating the firmware every year.
[Windows Phone 7 General] danielhere:
WP7 is just the iPhone 2007 edition, Micro$oft way !

NO multitasking

NO proper copy and paste

NO way to install from microSD

:(
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
woot woot whats a couple years for copy & paste?

im the source just not very reliable sorry, but im my dream world its coming 100% in this 1 not so much
[Windows Phone 7 General] iamcrazyfire:
One thing we need know ,Silverlight is come from WEB,it is sandboxed application,for security reason ,more functions of Silverlight is blocked.

Wp7s hasn't copy and paste that is limited by Silverlight 3, Silverligth don't support full Clipboard access ,and don't support trust applicatioin mode. But we need

cheer Silverlight 4 can do that ,so if wp7s finally using the Silverlight 4,USB mode,Copy and paste and file system access can be work on wp7s theoretically
[Windows Phone 7 General] falken007:
:-D sure, ... and I really hate those people who always agressively wants, wants, wants something, somebody must, must, must do something ... not, MS may do itselt what HE wants :-), and he will do it well - really new beautiful things (not only) borns in pains...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
WP7 will still suck if it can't run apps from outside a single source...

iPhone is locked to app store, iPhone sucks.

Android has a market but you can still use APKs, Android=Win
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
You can. You just have to be a developer :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
To bad the media these days runs articles about how unsure Android apps are, and why people should never install apps from outside the trusted market (read: Google Market).

At least Microsoft offers the ability to have five free apps on the marketplace per year. This should cover the hole you otherwise would used 3rd part source installations for.

Also I'm sure they'll offer some business plan, for in-house distribution. Wait and see :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
Well I am not a developer (yet?) and I still want to install whatever apps I want and not be controlled.

Windows Mobile was a better product that the iPhone but was losing because it was underadvertised, then MS goes and takes everything they were doing right and undoes it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
You'll have to try another planet then.

Consumers are to be protected. It's for your own good. And trust me, if a application isn't on the marketplace, you don't want to install it anyway.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
I probably do. There are probably apps that MS would pull. I use APKs on Android for apps I can't find on the Market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
What sort of apps, and why aren't they on the market?

Enlighten us.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
I don't have examples but I know Youtube Downloaders get pulled from the Android market so I have to use APKs (Although that's different because Google owns Youtube and the Market).

There are lots of apps that were made before WP7 that probably won't be on the market though. When I switched from my HP iPAQ to my HTC Touch Diamond part of the main reason was that I knew the Diamond could run most of the apps I had on my iPAQ. Like even the Youtube downloader I have for my iPAQ works on my Diamond and I could use it anywhere there was 3G opposed to just places with Wifi...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
But you said you were using applications that's not on the market already!

This is precisely what I'm talking about. Nobody can give a reason why there should be a option to have unofficial markets, or the ability to download from obscure websites. And applications that's used to break the law I honestly can't see a problem with being removed from the market.

Microsoft is much more flexible than Apple, and yet so much more systematic than Google. It's the best of all worlds combined into their market.

Also it's likely we'll see a marketplace for Windows applications in the future, if you look at the leaked Windows 8 notes.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
Then I won't be using Windows 8. It's one thing to have crippled phones and PDAs, but I am not having a crippled computer. But maybe it would be a good thing if MS does that, that will give Linux a big chance...

There are apps that aren't on Apple's App Store or the Android market.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
It'll obviously not be the only solution for Windows 8, but it'll be the de facto distribution channel after a few years. The whole idea is actually to create a safer environment for users, and avoid technical complexities that you shouldn't have to care about either way.

You don't realize that Linux actually been crippling their OS with their package managers for nearly two decades now? And opposite to on Windows, it's not easy to install out-of-the-appcenter software.

At least on Windows, we'll always have the option of both. But a desktop OS is much different than a smartphone. And smartphones are much more vulnerable, and more difficult to fix.

I'm still missing some real-world examples of "must have" apps you can't get from the market.

Also I think the entire advertising solution Microsoft made will make it very very attractive to have all apps on the marketplace, for all developers. So only spyware developers will keep it off the market.

You seem to want the "let me install tons of crapware"-attitude that many Windows users kept since the dark '90s. Let it go man, it's not worth it. Embrace the purity of modern software design.

It's not limiting your freedom, it's helping you narrow your search for the ultimate experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
It's common fact that there are lots of Apps not on the App Store because Apple controls the distribution tightly. I am pretty tech savvy and know what I am doing, and don't need to be controlled.

Is there a Youtube Downloader on the App Store, what about a program to play songs that are in there that aren't synced with iTunes (Like if you downloaded it using the browser on the iPod Touch/iPhone)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
You wish to believe that. Truth is, you're not able to know if your phone got a keylogger installed. I doubt you put several hours into investigating each application's binary signatures and so on. It's not for fun applications are validated.

Apple control it very tightly. Microsoft don't have a policy for that, and have a very long experience with software developers writing apps for their platforms (read: Windows).

I wouldn't know about the iPhone. But it makes sense to have some specific ordering of the file-system, for performance optimization.

Android being the only platform without such limits, have horrible performance, and very bugged media-handling.

And I honestly don't get people who still navigate around the filesystem to copy music to portable devices. Hello, this is 2010 speaking, you of course do it from your favorite music application (that's Zune, right?).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Yes, it's 2010, and some people have more than one PC. And some even have music stored on NAS server, which are non-PC devices and can't have Zune software installed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
I prefer to use a File Manager to put music on. That way I can use any OS or device. I can use my Xbox and NSLU2 to put music on my devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Not the target audience, no.

Also even if you have a NAS, you hopefully got it mapped as a networkdrive, and then utilized using Libraries, so yes you can actually use it with your favorite music player.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
The problem is tagging every track is a real pain and I've given up a long time ago...
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
foobar2000 for converting to same format, and a common folder and filename structure. Mp3tag to batch-tag the files (I prefer AAC as format). Very easy, just requires some hours of processing depending on the initial size of the batch.

Also stop pirating music, using illegal music as a argument hardly counts ;)

I buy my music on iTunes, as Zune ain't available in Europe yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Helmore:
Yuck, iTunes :p. I use Spotify here, I don't intent to give too much money to Apple. I really like Spotify though, although I would prefer the Zune Pass model which is a little better than how Spotify works. It's just that Zune is not available here as you just said.

The EU should really do something about all the different copyright laws in each country to make it easier for companies like Apple, Amazon, 7Digital, Microsoft etc to roll out their online music stores to all EU countries. Now those companies have to negotiate with every single country's music rights organisation (their RIAA equivalents) to be able to sell music in each country. That just makes introducing a service like Zune very hard. It's in the music industry's best interest to make it as easy as possible for consumers to legally have access to the music they are trying to make money on. I'm getting off-topic though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Helmore:
I think I'm a little late to the party here, but I still want to comment on these comments.

The problem with C&P in WP7 is the fact that all apps run in a sandbox. Having some form of clipboard can introduce all sorts of security issues if not implemented well. I think that Microsoft is simply not introducing C&P yet because they know they won't have a proper solution ready by the time WP7 launches. Their motto with WP7 is pretty much a "You do it right or you don't do it." attitude.

As for the updates. No, the update process will be much swifter than that. A lot more like how fast Android developed over the past 1.5 to 2 years and maybe even faster than that. One difference though between the WP7 update process and the Android update process is that Microsoft is responsible for the updates instead of the device manufacturers and Microsoft will be pushing the updates directly to all WP7 phones. (WP7 will actually make use of the exact same software update servers as the Windows Update services for Windows XP, Vista and 7 do.) There will already be a pretty big update to WP7 before the end of this year. An update to WP7 in less than 3 months after it launches. This update will bring things like programmable shaders for the XNA framework for example. I'm not sure what else will be included with that update.

Windows Mobile was not a better product than even the first iPhone. No matter how much Microsoft would advertise it, it just wouldn't catch on with the general public. WM did have/has better features than the iPhone, but it's not about features but about the experience as a whole for the general consumer. Even the first iPhone has a better use experience than what Windows Mobile has to offer.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
And you know all that from what sources?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
Spotify isn't available in Denmark. But I don't think iTunes is that bad, I don't really see the hype against it.

Source please :)

Source please :)

Without sources, we can't redistribute your information, for the greater goods. If you post your sources, then it's reliable information, and we can spread the word!
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
The iPhone is too locked down, atleast Windows Mobile can run more apps...
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
I'd rather have a few good apps than a ton of ****ty apps. Sorry but most apps on WinMo have crap UIs. Some, in recent times, have managed to put together some decent stuff but WP7 blows it away.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
There's nothing wrong with Windows Mobile apps.

http://androidforums.com/introductions/112638-iphone-user-planning-switch.html#post1046441
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
Keep telling yourself that.

yes, there's a few that are good. but the fact remains that it is FAR too difficult to make a finger friendly app that works and looks good. In recent months a few SDKs have popped up that help out a lot with this but these are still very feature incomplete. You basically have to roll your own GUI from the ground up which is a huge pain in the ass and takes lots of time, effort, and skill.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
I don't mind a stylus and prefer it...
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
That's fine but realize that you're VERY much in the minority on that opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 General] NorrinRadd:
True the iPhone is more mainstream like Top40 music, the media, etc. With WM on either end of the bell curve depending on your use of it, it's either an A student or an F student. The iPhone and anything mainstream or for the masses will never fall in either extreme nor be too feature/function rich as it needs to be usable (dumbed down) for the masses.

For me WM, though not as bug free or initially nice looking has far more true "Smartphone" (PIM/PDA) features than the iPhone. It can be tweaked nearly limitlessly for those of us in the extreme tech side to a truly uniform and unfragmented experience imho.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
What's your reasons for wanting a more open platform? It provides you zero benefits in the end.

Windows Mobile Marketplace is utterly useless, and installing random software from random websites is hardly something you want to do on a business phone, where you can get your company login for intranet and/or exchange easily keylogged.

There's everything wrong with Windows Mobile apps. For the start, that Windows Mobile aren't at all a good platform for a mobile phone, and certainly not a touch phone. Try read some whitepapers on usability for a start.

It's fine, you want to live in the 90s. Don't buy a new phone then.

Touch is better, more efficient, and much better in all possible fashions, than using a stylus.

You try do multitouch with a stylus, lol! (And multitouch on WP7 isn't just zooming, it's also rotating, and dragging/throwing)
[Windows Phone 7 General] NorrinRadd:
Not for drawing based apps or functions. Even with capacitive pens, if what you mean by touch are capacitive screens, then touch currently is nowhere nearly accurate enough as a stylus or resistive screen. This is why many asian countries can't use an iPhone as effectively as a WinMo-based phone since for example chinese characters are far too many and complex to put in either a hardware or software based keyboard and the quickest and most accurate way for such users to input info into a smartphone is by writing. In this case the stylus trumps touch easily. Drawing aside, touch is easier as long as pin-point accuracy is not required, which overall the iPhone interface is created so such accuracy is not needed navigation-wise but not accounted for data-input-wise.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
People in Asia should spend less time playing with their phones, and more time learning English.
[Windows Phone 7 General] RustyGrom:
lol. I'm glad someone NOT from the US said that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chikoo:
Which essentially I read as this

"Asian countries do no have a defined Alphabet set such as A to Z"

Guess they need to get organized better on the linguistic end.

And this is not a flame. Just deriving the conclusion from the facts presented.
[Windows Phone 7 General] NorrinRadd:
Agreed

True and the same can be said about our non-use of the metric system. Many people in Asia use the iPhone, just stating that his comment about Touch being better in all fashions is not 100% true. Since it can't do drawing-based stuff better nor can be used in "cleanroom" type environments that require gloves at all times. Touch/capacitive is better feeling for a lot of things, but not absolutely everything as his comment implies.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
If being able to run apps you want to run is being stuck in the 90's, then the 90's have it right. I am not a noob and don't need someone to lock me out of the apps I want...

An open phone does have benefits, I don't see how anyone would say otherwise...
[Windows Phone 7 General] gom99:
This isn't either or...

Touch + Pen > Pure Touch or Pure Pen

Deskterity
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
In the context, phones, it is either or.

You linking something for a much larger device isn't really relevant to how we develop applications for phones. If it were a topic on touch-development, it might been relevant. Also Silverlight supports both Touch and Stylus in the first place, so you could buy your own for the phone.

But even for Microsoft Surface, pure touch is enough. People don't want a silly Stylus, and look like some nerd from the 90s.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fochizel2000:
Touch is certainly better for a lot of things, but a stylus is much more efficient for text entry. I have used both android and iphones for the last two years, and I have become quite fast with the on-screen keyboards, but it still takes me twice as long as using the stylus to enter text. The issue here is that using a stylus takes some training before you become efficient, just like learning to type on a keyboard. That being said, if i were using a device for entertainment and had to choose between the two, touch would win. I wish we could somehow have both...

As for the market, I will have to say Google does have it correct. You can install non-market apps if you as a user explicitly allow it. I use this feature to test development versions of some open source apps I use, etc., but most users simply use the market as they should. I am not saying the Android market is all that well executed compared to itunes, but the approach is better for those that want more control. Honestly, people that care about being able to do this kind of thing will find a way. For the iphone, thee is literally a wizard that "jailbreaks" your phone and allows you to install any app you want. I am sure there will be something like that for wp7 as soon as it hits the streets.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Windcape:
The target customers today are used to writing messages (sms) with a hardware or software keyboard. A stylus wouldn't fit in their universe. It's only old people who used to have a Palm Pre or similar who consider a stylus useful at all.

There's no applications worth anything that isn't available on the market.

The fact that a extremely small minority who want to break their phones, to get some unsupported feature, to eventually **** up their phone enough to having to factory-reset it, doesn't really matter for the business model for WP7 (or iPhone for that matter).

I also think there's more jailbroken Android phones than iPhones, just look at the amount of custom ROMs on this very site.

Phones are all about business and earning money. And they should definitively be designed to support a proper business model, so app developers can earn money on it.
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
you are saying it like people in asia only knows their native languages and not english

what are you trying to do, incite a riot?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
So far so good, let's just watch for the rules of the forum:
[Windows Phone 7 General] mpg187:
You can put the stylus down to the side and still use your hands.

I prefer to use touch for most things, but a stylus is more precise for smaller areas of the screen. I still have to get used to using my fingers on a touch screen to type, even though I can use two fingers for buttons on each side of the screen opposed to reaching the stylus over. But it will was nice when I had the stylus I could use a small OSK and have more room for content on the screen...

Ironic that I am younger than you...

That's not true.

I use mine to keep in touch with people and go online when away from my computer. When I buy a phone I don't buy a phone to make other people rich, I buy it for what I want it to do...

That sounds kinda racist
[Windows Phone 7 General] blanket:
sorry dude, i'm not very sure who is this statement directed at

me, or him?
[Windows Phone 7 General] mmelo76:
for him Windcape

Just quoted your comment for him to see what a "phrase" bad writing can cause, now just waiting to see if he understood, you did nothing, just one question. Beauty.

Excuse me if I expressed it badly!