yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gogol:
It is not specifically the OS, but the "platform" as a whole (screen size, screen type, number of buttons, processor speed, type of buttons, size of RAM, flip phone, slide phone, whatnot, etc).

And yes, it is painful to maintain a lot of builds specific for those kind of varieties.

Not to mention lack OS update because of phone operator / carrier lazyness (I bought my HTC Kaiser unlocked from HTC because I learned that T-Mobile is very slow giving update).

That's why I am glad that Microsoft is now taking control of the minimum hardware specification. Because that would be an advantage of current WM situation, especially to reduce fragmentation as much as possible.

Also the fact that Microsoft will provide OS update and hardware drivers (no more *****ing around about HTC missing drivers).

Instead of developer wandering around to "patch" their apps to work on fragmented platform, or figuring out tricks to over-come missing drivers. They can now enjoy leveraging their creativity for making consistent apps in well supported plaform (WP7).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Shasarak:
The problem is not just that the HD2 won't get an upgrade, it's the combination of it not getting an upgrade plus the fact that WP7 will not be backwards-compatible with Windows Moble applications. That is something almost nobody saw coming.

The effect of the non-backwards-compatibility announcement has been to completely kill off Windows Mobile as a viable platform for commercial software development. (Look at Adobe, look at Skype - there will be plenty of other developers jumping ship, most of whom probably won't make any public announcement about it).

If, when I bought my HD2, I had been told "well, it won't get an upgrade to WP7, but any application written for Windows Mobile will run quite happily on WP7, so there's every incentive for people to keep developing for the HD2's platform" that would have been fine. If they'd said "Windows Mobile will cease to be a commercially viable platform 3 months after you buy the phone, but you will eventually get an upgrade to WP7" that would have been okay - not great, but okay. But for them to say "you won't be getting an upgrade and the phone's existing OS is no longer commercially viable as of now" and for them to say that 3 months after I bought it but not to say anything beforehand - that is something I can well understand people being annoyed about.

No, it's like you aren't paying attention. :rolleyes:

There have been a number of announcements and leaks on the subject of multi-tasking, and we now have a pretty clear idea of how it will work. There can only be one foreground application. When a typical application is moved to the background, it will be suspended, but capable of being resumed from the same point when it is reactivated; it will not, however, be capable of actually doing anything while in the background. It will be possible for certain, select applications and services to actually run in the background rather than being paused, but this facility will be available only to applications developed by MS, or by their "partners" - i.e. phone manufacturers and networks.

Yes, but no one takes that claim seriously.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
If you buy the HD2 then you can develop for the HD2. You can't expect to develop software for devices which are released 1 year later and run a completely different OS. Officially noone really confirmed that HD2 runs WP7. People were spectaculating that it would run on the HD2 but these have only been rumours that shouldn't really make anyone decide to buy the phone. HD2 is as good as a WM 6.5 device can get and that's what it was made for. Nothing more.

Maybe we also forget that WM 6.5.x is brand new and just about to be launched. How many phones have you seen with a 6.5.3 stock ROM? There will still be plenty of new phones coming!

I see the WM 6.5.x vs WP7 scenario to be a bit similar like Windows NT vs. Windows 95. Windows NT was mainly a network OS used in companies while Windows 95 was designed more for the end user that's supposed to play DirectX games and such. And in this case if you bought a PC with Windows NT you couldn't develop games which need to support newest DirectX technology....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Shasarak:
The point is that no one realised WP7 would be "a completely different OS" - we were all completely blindsided by that. No one expected a situation where there wouldn't be a single WM6 application capable of running on WP7. If, as everyone expected and as HTC allowed HD2 buyers to believe, WP7 had been backwards-compatible, WM6.5 would still be a viable platform for commercial software: people could keep on developing software for WM6, secure in the knowledge that it would run just as well on WP7 when that eventually came along. The lack of backwards-compatibility has killed WM6 stone cold dead as a commercial platform: no sensible commercial developer will develop for it at all, anymore, they'll skip straight to WP7 (if they even bother with a Microsoft version at all). Until the no-backwards-compatibility announcement happened, an upgrade was much less important; now, it really matters.

That's such a ridiculous analogy I hardly know where to begin.... :rolleyes: Well, for starters, consider just how much Windows 95 software actually ran under NT - pretty much all of it did, with the only exception being games. And for those who needed gaming support, MS continued with fresh releases based on the Windows 95 development stream - 98, 98SE even ME - all of which could run virtually all NT-oriented software as well. Those releases didn't dry up until after full support for DirectX (and even improved DOS emulation) ended up in the NT line.

Microsoft here has done the equivalent of abandoning Windows completely and basing all of its future OS releases on UNIX - if you imagine that people running Windows would be unable to upgrade to the new UNIX OS when it came along. If they had done that, what do you think Windows software developers would have done? And how do you think people who had bought Windows PC's would have felt?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Except WM is nowhere near Windows in terms of network effect... Very few people will notice the loss of WM applications (yeah, we here will certainly do, but most users won't, and even most software companies won't). WM has been going along its way to oblivion in terms of market share, and, frankly, we didn't see many (if any at all) big software guys pumping investment into the platform anyway.

Apart from "big" Windows I'd guess the biggest MS-driven market is the XBox. So they chose compatibility with that "ecosystem" over the WM one. Disappointing as it is, I think that it was the right decision for MS really.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Shasarak:
HD2 users will, which is why they're angry at the lack of an upgrade path.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Some of them will, some won't. I am an HD2 user and I don't care, I don't want to own it for another year anyway, I'd happily exchange it right now if there were something better. I'm sure most HD2 users don't even know what OS their device is running (I know my wife wouldn't know). So we're talking about a few hundred thousand users max. And that's just the user side. A commercial WM developer network is pretty much non-existent right now, apart from SPB, Resco and a couple other small firms.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] krjcook:
Well done. I completely agree. I'm looking forward to it. Most users are just bitter and don't want change. I think the main worry with the cooks or other users is that is that it won't offer the amount of customization of 6.5 and below, but they fail to forget that the Iphone is boring until you jailbreak, in the process opening up many possibilities. I think the same will be said for WP7S
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
As a matter of fact, I'm somewhat puzzeld when I read complaints that WP7 isn't customizable. Even the stuff that's been shown so far, with things that have been said, indicate that there's a ton of things you can do. You can pin a web page to the start screen and it will be automatically updated. Here you got a weather widget, right now. The webpage can be local as well. Granted, this is a quick and dirty hack, but there's more. In essence, those start screen "tiles" are just widgets, and with them you get a set of APIs and OS services that will collect data locally from other apps and from the web, react to system events, and put that information to the widgets in the shape of text, images and animations. And somebody is complaining that we don't get Sense UI while we get this? Are you kidding? Well, maybe some customizations will require "jailbreaking" (say, to add chrome to these widgets in the form of faux 3D borders or what not), but even without it it's much more flexible than Sense UI.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] krjcook:
My Thoughts Exactly. Once some of talented people 'Unlock' the OS we'll probably get way more customization. Can't believe so many people from this community have succumbed to defeat from a OS!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
my problem with the idea of "jailbreaking" WP7 is that we don't know how locked down it is to begin with. no one has seen a settings menu, no one has seen anything resembling options, program settings, or always hackable system files menu. I have to believe that they exist unless they are trying to blur the lines between smart and dumb phones (a la Iphone). Of course as I've said a few times this will all be shown hopefully at MIX10. If there is a system files menu then this phone won't need to be jailbroken. They haven't really even mentioned the process for downloading from the internet. I mean, currently we can do basic .cab files and run it to get new programs...as well as using marketplace. In WP7 are we restricted to only using marketplace or will there be some other options available for downloading programs? We just don't know currently. But We'll find out soon, then we can start the jailbreaking talk...till then its all speculation

~style~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
My toughts on WP7: MS really seem to put a lot of efforts into providing a great environment for developers

http://blogs.msdn.com/ckindel/archi...=twitter&utm_campaign=WP7&utm_content=Twitter
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Interesting stuff:

Getting started is cheap and easy

No developer will complain about tools pricing

Downloading and installing the tools is simple and all documentation is in one place

The development model is prescriptive and obvious

A vibrant and open community is there to help
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] lorijuan1024:
i am just wondering because my 3g feels kind of slow and i just got it like 2 days ago

on xtremelabs speedtest i am getting 500 kbit/s and on wifi 3000kbit/s

does anyone get faster if so how can i make it go faster thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] phatmanxxl:
wish I could help, my speeds on my Sig. :(
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] hol17:
I get 580+ kbps on 3G. Seems fine to me :/ There is a tweak on the Android Development forum on boosting 3G speed, think you need a rooted phone though but if yours is rooted, read and try it out.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] tbrummell:
See my Sig.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] tnpapadakos:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=645208

similar thread
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] lorijuan1024:
do i have to have a rooted my touch to do that 3g mod or what ever it is and i have a 32a
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Taknarosh:
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3G

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WiFi

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[Nexus One Themes and Apps] ssj4vegita2002:
So I'm running the desire Rom, and I chose the clock widget. I went with the standard one with the flip clock and weather. When you choose it, it asks for location, and then a check box for 'full screen animation'. I checked it, and when it gets put on Tue home screen it makes a nice animation of clouds, or sun rays, etc . My question is, how do you make it do that again? I've never seen it happen since I first put the widget there. It doesn't happen when you swipe to it and it refreshed.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] McFroger3:
It happens everytime you unlock your device.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] ssj4vegita2002:
Ah, ok. Thanks. I didn't notice because I have it on the first screen to the left oh the main screen.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] jongie123:
I wonder why doesn't have the fliping animation.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] ianoreo:
That was a total shocker to me as well. The flipping made it cool....

I wonder if it will return in a later release
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] codito:
This is how I know you posted this from your Nexus One with HTC_IME, because I accidently type Tue instead of the all the damn time LOL.
[Click Android Development] Coburn64:
WARNING: If you don't know what chmod means, keep out of this thread. This is for developers only, and not for newbies.

I'm creating this thread for people who are cooking their own ROMs can have the correct permissions (so that the ROM doesn't fail to boot after flashing, as seen with my AzusaROM RC1b). This list will list what modes should be on files (eg. su is 04755 for root shell) in order for the ROM to read stuffs (wifi config permissions, etc).

You're welcome to add on this list! Just post and I'll add them up here.

Last updated: 10/3/10

(Start List)

/system/bin/* - 755

/system/bin/su - 04775

/system/bin/sh - 775

/system/etc/dhcpcd/dhcpcd-run-hooks - 755

(End List)

N00bs, please do not clutter this thread, this is for serious developers and ROM cookers!
[Click Android Development] svprm:
Thanks man.

This will help me to cook my rom.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Themes and Wallpapers] lifeisjustgreat:
Just like to share this since HTC Magic using 2.1 ROM can also use. Search for "3D Galaxy" in market to download a cool livewallpaper of stars and meteors.

Screenshot can be found here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=643068
[myTouch 3G, Magic Themes and Wallpapers] renegadEEE:
Works great, thanks!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Themes and Wallpapers] cten1:
im contemplating if this would run really slow on my mytouch

i guess im going to have to find out!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Themes and Wallpapers] niscrome:
It crashes on my mytouch
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Hello all,

Finally iam releasing this rom which is in a next level than any other wm 6.5 or 6.5.x rom only for viva in the sense that it has got some major modifications. Okay now ready to evolve your phone? hey wait a min i thought first a test version would be a excellent idea. So that makes this rom only for little advanced users and not for daily usage.

So here you go the bug fixed/features.

The major problem that is wifi auto start has been fixed

Originallly the scrolling of start menu is not smooth without some type of tweak here without tweaking it is.

No sms bug

lite rom nbh size approx 54.2 mb

ezinput keypad included, dont worry its not that 8mb one its only 1mb

New drivers from latest spanish rom 1.57.707.3

Ultra fast feel the speed yourself

no 3rd party app

Keyboard now hides on single click

This rom has no titanium (intentionally removed will be added after testing). Okay now as a tester please report the following things.

If you have dataconnection active then setup connection and try to connect if it connects open a webpage on you phone, working? report here (i have done some tweaking coz if which it wont connect but if its not connecting for all i will remove that tweak)

The speed that i mentioned can you feel = ultra fast

The phone must be more responsive is it?

Was the scrolling smooth

And then report all the bugs / essential feature missing here. (remember only essential feature)

Thanks to the whole xda community, specially i would like to thank Kilzone, ivanmmj and kane159

Edit: Goodbye, Touch Viva. Was a great experience to learn something new.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Bugs/features adding deleting that will be done on final version :-

Titanium will be added

Taskmanager will be added (Arksoft or showcase)

IE problem will be fixed

Caller id display will be fixed

Scrollbar will be removed
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Successful fixation:

1. No wifi auto start

2. Wifi works perfectly

3. Bluetooth works perfectly

4. SMS bug yet to confirm
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] Rata26:
Sorry, but this rom is clean? with their original icons?
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Dude as i said its for testing purpose if u are asking this with the intention of daily usage then plz remember that this rom is in beta and not for daily purpose, if u would like me to complete this evolution rom which i said is completely a next level then please go ahead and test it and report back

Anyways, the answer for your question everything is default absolutely no customization no icon changing, no theme, no taskbar icon.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] Rata26:
I'll try and step you errors, I am willing to do so, hopefully not have problems with speed, and with my internet connection provider, as well as to send sms
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] bizmark03:
thanks....flashing right now...will let you know if i have nay issues.....
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] imblfmstr:
Downloading

downloading now....
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] TheRem:
thanks but how do i add Titanium?
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] aidinvm_ultimate:
hey bro

I see, finally you have posted your new rom

in test version it looks excellent

but may u use latest build ( for example 23541 ,...) in this rom?

and plz fix bat draining issue ;)
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] bizmark03:
feedback!!

heres all the things i noticed:

-when i get out of the start menu to home screen....it keeps showing the previous page.....i guess thats because of the lack of titanium.

-please add showcase, since theres no task manager lots of programs remain open and the phone becomes slow in a few minutes.

-bluetooth OK

-wifi OK

-When IE starts it says cannot open blank page....but then works fine.

-When i get an incoming call, i cannot see the name or the number of the person calling.

-When i make an outgoing call theres a scroll bar on the right...for which i see no purpose.

Hope this helps.....what you've done looks good....hope you can figure out solutions for the problems i mentioned......thanks again.....
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] Rata26:
I just saw those details, but I like that is clean, with nothing changed, looks like a rom drawn from Microsoft, and that is what we all
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] freelancer81:
my feedback

download size is 39.42 which is 7z compressed.

i am downloading it now...will give my feedback soon.

congrats on your release, jagan!!!

Feedback==================

Bugs

#1: Vibrate not working. Phone does not vibrate when set to vibrate mode.

#2: In the Lockscreen, you have to tap 'Unlock' twice to really unlock.

#3: After running some programs (ex. PPC PimBackup) the phone becomes very slow. I checked the processes using FcdSoft Task Manager v3.1 and found one of the process 'cprog.exe' was consuming about 60% - 80% of the CPU resource. I 'killed' it and it becomes okay again...

#4: In USB-to-PC pop-up, there is no 'Storage Device'!!! just ActivSync and Internet Sharing.

Suggestion:

#1: will it be okay if you remove 'Microsoft My Phone'

#2: and what about removing 'Marketplace' too?? I don't think many people uses it. If they want they can install it, right??:D

more to come soon...
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] KingScorpian1980:
Some more changes

I suggest

1. Volume button not working.

2. Why apps dont close on "Close"? "Must"

3. Phone options not working.

4. Today item "Windows Default" not working.

Rest all seems to be fine.

Good work bro......

Cheers
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Rem as far as i know u cant add titanium or i can say its hard. Wait for tonight i will make the final version with everything fixed.

Yes this test rom is intended just to see the speed and particularly check if the wifi, bluetooth, today setting, volume button, and file explorer works perfectly. I will release the final version most probably today with latest build

Excellent feedback!

Ok lets start one by one as i said above once again this is meant for the major bug fixes that we faced. In final version all will be fixed actually the most of the bug u said they are intentionally done.

1. It is because due to lack of titanium.

2. Ya i will add arksoft or showcase.

3. & 4. Iam glad that bluetooth and wifi works perfectly.

5. Yes that ie problem that is build related i will change it to newer.

6. That is the dialer prob with all new builds oups i forgot to replace it will be done on final version.

7. Scrollbar will be removed.

So i can conclude that you have sent me a good feedback in which i expected the above things.

Your bug list

in 1., 2., 3. Its build related prob will change it.

4. Storage card is not coming that is because i havent put a customization that will automatically restart so you just have to once soft reset and plug ur usb cable and storage card will be there.

1. Volume button not working - :eek: No way its completely fixed. Still if its there that means iam misunderstanding please specify.

2. Bro in this case many want to close on pressing x button and many dont want so i keep it default that is it will not close.

3. Phone option please specify.

4. Windows default not working coz the rom dont have titanium

@All: Whoever participating in this beta testing please feel free to explore your devices and report here, all will be fixed tonight. :)

Edit: Forgot to say my opinion on freelancers suggestion:

Marketplace and myphone many of here want so i have added it my the way it wont consume much space.

Another imp thing: Someone confirm if the SMS bug fixed and working properly?
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Everything that will be fixed on final version, will be put to the second post iam doing that right now check out in few mins. If i miss something remind me here.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
Successful things that is fixed in this rom is displayed on 3rd post.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] KingScorpian1980:
Hi Bro,

1. Volume button started working after few restarts.

2. Agreed with Windows Default

3. Phone option generally has "Vibrate when call connect"

Just one funny thing....when the device is locked you can very well click on "Start" then nothing gets clicked....

Please fix the display problem when person calls its not displaying the name...

rest all is fine...

Cheers
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] lkachun9129:
I would like to have Showcase rather than ArkSoft...
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
For showcase you have to first go to home screen then it opens whereas arksoft can be accessed from any screen, so my vote goes to arkswitch let see what others say.

btw complete rom will be up in few hours or may be more than few hours.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] pajerm:
congratulations jagan!!!
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] jagan2:
suspending the final version due to exams.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] daccibas:
i hope you'll do it till tomorrow?

thanx a lot!
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] Rata26:
I do not understand, you will stop scheduling friend? You will leave this rom so?
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] Rata26:
Just remember them clean friend, a nice clean and stable ROM, and Microsoft ... You did not like the horrible lite
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] TheRem:
i didn't try it because Titanium was removed... anyway thanks jagan.
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] zxcycle:
dont put scrollbar because the scrolling is ok
[Touch Viva, MDA Basic ROM Development] Rata26:
I think they're going to delete my friend, and I do not understand that rod cover, will be in the final build it there?