yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[General Questions and Answers] Mr. Clown:
+1 with you and Denco, we need to end this and thank those guys at least for the good things they have left in XDA. I wish them luck with their new projects and hope they can fulfill their plans there. We as current members of XDA, should focus better on how to improve day by day this community and be an example to others. Administration will do their job in how to handle from now on these situations, so leave that to them. Ours is to keep excellency, innovation, address new challenges, creativity and service in the device sections that we are more active to provide the propper support for those that needs it.
[General Questions and Answers] SatScan:
The RED or the BLUE pill... choose....

Hey !!!!

+100 for YOU.

Thanks, that's what is happening.

Grtz,
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
Yes but don't close your eyes to some of the real things happening, and hide behind this excuse. I don't see how you can think it is in XDA's best interest to allow XDA Moderators and HtcPrdia Moderators to Post ROM's in XDA with sources that have not been shared with XDA. (Yes I'm talking about the ELITE Group) Here is a example: If I'm looking for a new car that has just come out, and I go from dealer to dealer but all I find are the older models. I want the newer one. But now I find a advertisement at one of the dealerships that another dealer has the new model but I have to go to them to get it.

Again we are just voicing our views and Admin will make a decision and we will all have to accept it in the end.

One question have you Admin asked yourself would HtcPedia allow the same things regarding these issue if it were reversed?

I also see these moderators will no longer post in their own threads here on XDA so why even have them as Moderators with their feeling towards xda?
[General Questions and Answers] cobbs:
+1 on this, well said bobsbbq
[General Questions and Answers] caliban2:
so, what you are saying is: "mom! no fair! they don't let me play!"
[General Questions and Answers] af974:
You could not say otherwise, since your signature :rolleyes:
[General Questions and Answers] caliban2:
sure i could, since i'm not a member of this ultra-secret elite-group plotting mischief behind the scenes, as bobsbbq never gets tired to enlighten us. :rolleyes:

anyhoo, site-admins seem to have made their decision anyway. :)
[General Questions and Answers] jkolner:
If cheefs are paid to move to other sites to release theire ROM's, its going to be difficult for XDA to keep them...

But what happens when WMO7 arrives, since MS has said there will be no cooking for it...
[General Questions and Answers] ElCondor:
I actually hope they leave completely.

There shouldn't be something like a Elite Group.

We should share everything.

Cooking is a hobby, not a job. You shouldn't get paid for it, and if you don't accept that, then you do not belong at xda.
[General Questions and Answers] Mr. Clown:
Admin already has a position associated with this topic, at least concerning the links to other forums http://xdaforums.com/announcement.php?f=317.

They haven't touch based in other discussions (revoking mods...etc)
[General Questions and Answers] denco7:
As svetius has posted, cooler heads have prevailed and as adults they worked it out for all our benefit. Hopefully now that XDA has gone back to the way things have always been ( the freedom to link to other sites ) hopefully the Elite chefs will start supporting their roms back at XDA again for the benefit of all.

As far as the Elite group goes, if you want to be part of the Elite Group, then contribute something, assemble a new kitchen, come up with a new way to unlock or root. Spend 2 or 3 years of your free time ( away from your , drinking and free time and family ) coming up with 10 , 20, 30, new roms across several platforms, Wizard, Hermes, Kaiser, Raphael, Rhodium, Leo, because that is how these guys got into the " Elite Group ".

You are right in one respect, this is a hobby and these guys can do whatever they want with their knowledge and sources and talents. I have found personally over the years, if you ask nicely, give due credit, contribute to the cause, in both knowledge and donations for all the years of ground work they have laid, they most generous with their advice and sources.

And I still don't understand where people are getting this " getting paid " from, you can ask for donations for your " cooking " but no one gets paid for things that do not belong to them. And as far as registering to get something goes, you have to register here, and HTCpedia, ppcgeeks, HTC support forum, HowardForums, Facebook, MySpace...........do I need to go on ?

Kudos to the Admin, for working this out svetius.
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
I sometimes get tired of hearing this crap about how we owe everything to these guys as if they are above all. Please!! Myself and I'm sure many others are grateful to the pioneers of this site, that had to do everything manually and that eventually made the tools that make cooking more easy now. We also respect the contributions made and appreciate them. But this does not make you GOD. What about us older generation who had to walk a mile or more to a bus stop with no shoes on because if we got them dirty we would not be able to sit down after the beating we got when we got home. Should that make us any more special than the kids today with current transportation system and make us above the law? No. What about the person who invented the internet? We are are grateful I assure you, but does this give him the right to commit Cyb-er crimes and get away with it? No.

There are a lot of new cooks in XDA, now more than every and there are more and more request for everything ready for them to drop in a kitchen. But this is a product of it's own design. Before we did not have people releasing kitchens to the public ready to build. Before you had to know enough about cooking to use the kitchens to be able to use the raw sources. But now with so many new ready made kitchens it is going to produce these kinds of responses. The kitchens are already here and nothing can change that. So the kitchen is not really the problem but the moderating of the threads in my opinion. If a thread is meant for new build software releases, than this is where the content should be. If people want a thread for ready made kitchen make a new post for those. In my opinion some of these threads are not moderated enough and cause many of the complaints against newer developers. There should be a place here at XDA for pioneers, senior developers, and beginners. After all we were all a beginner at one time.

Just because you have done something good, doesn't mean your good is above the good of all
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
Nobody says these people have not contributed. But I know of many others who have contributed just as much if not more. There is an alterior motive in the ELITE group at HtcPedia. And if they kept in in only their site I don't see it as a problem but for anyone other than their own members.
[General Questions and Answers] NRGZ28:
Can I just step in that say that the individuals in question (the ELITE group) DID NOT develop the tools or kitchens we use today ?!? They're just chefs like the rest of us, that use the stuff that other great developers made for them. Bepe, created the platformrebuilder. Ervius created the visual kitchen, for bepe's PRB. mamaich and tadzio created the tools to package NBH's, olipro,cmonex, jockyew created the hardspl's that allow us to flash these custom ROMs etc etc etc.... We should be grateful to THOSE guys.. not the so called "elite chefs". :rolleyes:

These "elite chefs" are special only because they can get their hands on unreleased sources, thanks to ONE guy that has managed to hack into an HTC FTP site. Woopty doo!

If we didn't have these unreleased, beta, unstable sources we'd be better off anyway. We'd only cook ROMS with final, SHIP releases and our overal ROMs would be more stable and better quality because of it.
[General Questions and Answers] mally2:
NRG

Well said .. i just had about the same stuff in in mind ... I'm Glad your not one of those Elite chefs leaving us.... Though in my opinion.. YOU are the best around for W/VGA devices....your roms are elite enough for me!!!!
[General Questions and Answers] caliban2:
nobody says that in the way you're implying.

the problem is: you and some other guys say that "they" owe YOU everything everything they have. from the minute on they have it on their pc. as i said before: how long does it take until a build is shared? 2 or 3 days max, but that's an exception already.

the site-admins made it clear: "no problem."

and nrg, what's that about "one guy hacked himself into an htc-ftp"?!

i mean, even if that was true:

- winmo-builds from all branches are stored on a htc-server by microsoft every day?

- it-admins at htc are busy playing solitair all day instead of doing their job?

- noone at microsoft or htc ever heard of xda etc?! or did they, but thought "i wonder how they get all this new builds, but someone else will take care of it."

but i guess feeding some fantastic creatures out of fairy tales isn't doing any good, so i'll stop. *memo to myself*
[General Questions and Answers] Livven:
Yep, that'd be great! I think a forum really isn't "good enough" for all the stuff found here; this place really deserves something like this, perhaps also a dedicated directory, thus giving devs more flexibility when posting things.

Looking forward to what you say to this :).
[General Questions and Answers] af974:
I have an idea....why we dont post Roms in HTCPedia forum redirecting people to XDA? ......Dammit would be useless, because most of them are already XDA users.:D
[General Questions and Answers] NRGZ28:
- Yes.

- I'm an admin.. and yes, I play solitaire everyday. LOL They can't possibly screen every single account on their servers.

- DOH! Think of the bigger picture here.. they know they're being leaked and they want us to have them. If generates more business for them this way and we all know the windows mobile market needs it.
[General Questions and Answers] SatScan:
Don't forget your roots!

+1 for you!

Lets see what wp7 will bring...

Grtz,
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
No you misinterpret what at least I'm saying, I can't speak for the rest. It doesn't matter to me if they ever share it with XDA. But I think there should be a rule or understanding that Elite HtcPedia members are not allowed to post their ROM's (with new sources) on XDA until they have at leasr shared the source to XDA developers. This is only fair.
[General Questions and Answers] caliban2:
okay, this is interesting, so:

- MS is storing all builds on at HTC?! i find that hard to believe, but... nope, can't believe it. really? ^^

the rest was more referred to the word "hacked". in this context i don't like it as much as "leaked". i already said in my first post in this thread that all these builds come from htc and ms. :)

sure you can't screen every account. but as an admin you know that there's a big difference between giving someone limited ftp-access and letting someone snoop around uncontrolled...

(regarding solitaire: i always thought true admins preferred Eve... :D )
[General Questions and Answers] Laurentius26:
Yeah, if there's a 'ELITE group' they seem to forget the ground where we all learned to cook roms, XDA-Developers.

IMHO they should be gratefull to all people here at XDA who are sharing there work/making it possible for them to cook that rom.

Without those ingredients you have no meat/vegatables or kitchen and makes it impossible to cook dinner. :cool:
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
Microsoft and HTC have learned a great deal of valuable information from this site. I would dare to say there are many developers here that are working for free that are better than on the MS or HTC development team. They want these releases leaked out discretely for these reasons.

As a ROM cook how is the best way to test a ROM? Give it to the users in public and they will find plenty of bug we sometimes overlook or don't find.

Their developers teams are watching this and other sites all the time for fixes.
[General Questions and Answers] NRGZ28:
I'm 100% convinced that's happening!

I remember developing my "Chome weather application" for the smartphone a few years ago. It was something nobody did before. A few months later, HTC started putting a similar application, with a very similar layout and graphics in their smartphone ROMs. Coincidence ? Maybe... But most likely they look through these forums for ideas...
[General Questions and Answers] caliban2:
fullack

but in his first post nrg implied that one guy (i guess you're talking about tom_codon?) sneaked onto their servers, shared what he found there (nevermind now if it happened fast enough) and when htc noticed, they just said "well, since you're already here..."

but if i interpret the decision by the admins correctly, the door is wide open for a "return". and we'd all profit from it. (them as well!!!) let's see, shall we? just stop the damn bickering and personal attacks. you can't demand from anyone when he shares whatever he got. period.

oh, and regarding "members of the elite-group can provide roms with latest builds before others":

at least on the x1-forum i don't see a difference between build-numbers from agent, nrg and itje. do you know how "lazy" itje sometimes is? it's not unusual for him to be the last of these 3... :p
[General Questions and Answers] denco7:
I think that they " tolerate this site " at best. This is what HTC had to say after last year's hoax. Every phone that comes out has better and better security on them ( the Eris still isn't rooted ) HTC does not increase the security against unlocking on their phones because they secretly want them hacked.

Not starting a huge " us against them " battle ( Apple v. HTC ), and looking the other way, is far from leaking copyrighted material and encouraging hacking. While they may leak some beta apps for beta testing, most of the alpha grunt work is done by some pretty smart and well paid people long before anything hits these shores.

@NRGZ28.... I am not saying that these guys invented cooking, I am just saying that when I first started coming to this site 3 years ago, I remember these guys ( and Leo ) being online 24/7 , posting new roms, troubleshooting, posting updates for bugs, answering 1000's of posts and PM's. You remember how it was in the early Kaiser days , don't you Leo ?

All I am saying is , these guys have given a lot, why all the animosity towards these guys, just because they are butting heads with the " bigwigs " over where they want to host their roms and posting links to them, something ( as I said previously ) has never been against the rules here. This place is full of links to ppcgeeks, Howard and MoDaCo.

@Leo and NRG.......you guys are rom-gods to me, while I never owned an Excalibur, I appreciate all the work that has been done by you guys and all others for this site. And I agree that you and the so called Elite group have gotten a lot from their association with XDA, but how much do you have to give back before people graciously let you venture out on your own without putting you in a us or them position " make a choice, you can't have both " Everybody hosts their own roms on their own site and on multiple sites why is it such a big deal now ?

Is their really that much money involved?

The bottom line is, it is all a moot point, everyone has decided to play nice.

So not much else to talk about at this point.
[General Questions and Answers] jimk68:
Permit me if I may says, is XDA is the test bed since my 898 pro few years back where you need to SR every few hrs. See now .....
[General Questions and Answers] jagan2:
Me too agree ms and htc must be watching xda and definitely they secretly want their builds etc to be leaked here as we give them a detailed feedback than any other private tester. If they didnt wanted this they would have long ago put some type of security, but again it would have been broked. :D

Agree.
[General Questions and Answers] ruzan:
honestly speaking.. i have tried quite a lot of roms for my touch hd and since the last 6 months or more.. i have been constantly using NRGZ28, ur roms and they r far better than the so called elite chefs.... have stopped even experimenting with other chefs because i know that u will give a quality rom and not some unstable rom.

i guess as far as XDA has chefs like u and some others... this forum rocks.

anybody using a windows mobile has to come here. does he actually have a choice? not much happening anyways on the other site.. for discussion and valuable solutions or debugging.. all have to come to XDA because that is where the knowledge bank is that has been build over years of constant development that has happened in this forum. anybody starts afresh is not going to get that knowledge bank by just buying or hiring some chefs. they also need people to test the roms and report bugs and the main thing.. solve the bugs which i know for a fact happens only on XDA.

cheers to XDA.

n on a lighter note.. am sure the world is big enough for two websites to co-exist.. who knows.. some more brainy ideas can come out.

:rolleyes:

and guys think of apple... instead of htc or ms.. it might start sueing XDA for making windows mobile at par or even better in lot of aspects than iphone... lol!!!! :p :p :D :p :p
[General Questions and Answers] SatScan:
Miracle drug...

Hey There,

Open a thread for your ROM's on pedia and pointed it to XDA and see what's happening...

I can't do it, have a livetime *ban on pedia

Grtz,
[General Questions and Answers] acidbath5546:
This is true for myself as well.

I dont think there will ever be a shortage of New or Good Chefs.

I have been making my own for awhile now, and its because of great work that I have been able to emulate from dedicated XDA members like Nrgz and Agent_47.

I have no doubt that XDA will stay at the forefront of WinMo hacking.

I think the only true competition arises in the Android/Kernel world.

Unfortunatley XDA lost a lot of ground with devices like the Motorola Droid and other Non-Htc devices came out, and site sprang up for them.
[General Questions and Answers] aruppenthal:
Right on the money my friend. Those are the people we owe the ability to cook roms to.

As far as leaks your right, too many chefs worry more about leaks and cutting edge than stability. The best roms Ive ever had on any of my many devices came almost entirely from ship versions. Im not sure when everyone felt the need to be so far ahead of the game.....

I know I havent forgotten that you were one of the many that led me to start cooking. The inspiration and ideas you guys gave me so long ago are what led me to where I am. Thanks L

There is NO "most likely".... It is absolute fact. In about an hour I can find at least 50 cases of work from xda getting put in MS and HTC software. Why does everyone think that ms AND htc allow this to go on? I stress ALLOW because they could put a stop to it in a matter of a few minutes if they chose to. I wish I had a link to the MS interview where they flat said they need XDA as much as we need them.
[General Questions and Answers] rgb-rgb:
I think a rule like this would be bad for everyone. If they've got a source and want to post a ROM, I say that's great and I might just give the ROM a try myself. Let's stop trying to kick these guys on the way out and just thank them for what they and all the other great people here have done for us.

Let's just be glad that anything gets shared. I can wait for the next build if it ever comes. If it doesn't I will keep playing with what I've got at the moment.
[General Questions and Answers] seed_al:
Finger Keyboard = HTC IME

FingerSuite = HTC Menu Enhancement

Yep. It's a fact!
[General Questions and Answers] NRGZ28:
The menu enhancement is very probably.. but the finger keyboard is a far cry from the HTC Ezinput. The HTC version looks A LOT more like the Apple IPhone onscreen keyboard :)
[General Questions and Answers] cobbs:
You know it’s a shame that people in the so call “Elite group” has forgotten the base meaning as why XDA was setup in the first place and that was built to share both knowledge and software to make everyone have a better phone than they would get from HTC.

To make it even worse is that some of these people are mod’s and how does it look to everyone (especially a new person starting out on XDA) when it’s a mod that wont share or help someone to make a better rom after all Isn’t a mod is meant to try help people with the XDA site, keep the peace within XDA and most of all be impartial and show no one any special favour. (even to themselves) so how can a mod be impartial when they have their own rom’s up and getting donations.

To me the only reason for having a HTC phone is because of XDA and what you can do with it, with the help from people here on the XDA site. So as long as Mod’s act like this I am selling my HTC and getting a iphone. If and when something change’s here I will differently get another HTC phone and I will be back on this wonderful website.

Long Live XDA
[General Questions and Answers] jakdillard:
lol look at the HTC WiFI Router and Chainfire WIFI Router
[General Questions and Answers] Chainfire:
Tell me about it... :)

You know they even had the nerve to ask me for free licenses to demo until their own app was ready? (And yes, I do mean to show off the functionality but when the sales come do a switch for their own app, and this is after we talked to them a while before and they said they wouldn't be interested in functionality like this... htc douchebags...)
[General Questions and Answers] ramdroid77:
Please go get your iphone!!! I'm not member of XDA for very long yet but I think XDA is not meant to be about "I take this", "I need that", "Can do you this for me", "how can I do that","OMG I need SYS 28175".... No! It's mainly about submitting your own fixes, ideas, tools, apps etc. The site is called xda DEVELOPERS for a reason! Even if you can get a lot of help when facing issues.... the site is still not called HTC Help center.
[General Questions and Answers] Noonski:
ARRrrr, Matey. +2

Cooks Leaving?, Grab a Kitchen start cooking start asking questions, there are at least 5 times the amount of cooks of the 4 mentioned leaving, that don't mind answering a question.

Stop Flashing other people's ROM's, and start donating to Developers not Cooks.

As for XDA Moderators, doubling at other sites, I have an opinion, and that is the one the Mother and Father of The Hive will soon formulate (have formulated), as i am just another mindless Drone. I'm getting really sick of users generalising Moderators as Mindless followers, can you feel the tension.

The mentioned Cooks in this thread, are Cooks, just cooks (except Tom Codon he's been doing more and more Programming the last year). But they should not be confused as being leaders of XDA.

The users writing How To's and Guide's and upholding Kitchen thread's are greatly under appreciated and the real backbone of XDA.

+1 on this one. I'm starting to like you NRGZ28.

Having a big conversation about a handful of cooks is really disrespectful to those that are putting to many hours on still getting new stuff on older devices.

I know i'm not followed by many Users, but i know HTC does. HTC getting Ideas and input from XDA is a Fact not a rumour.

(switching to files and databases with unknown extensions to the System, Bringing back User configuration from SD by Default, getting rid of stupid silly rat Creatures... euh unneeded .provxml files, icon ideas etc etc etc)

PS: Where do Chefs go when they go into retirement?
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
But of course you see it only from the users end. Just go and download it from HtcPedia as you will have to anyway.

But for them to advertise it on xda when the sources have not even been share with XDA is wrong. Is it really that hard for you guy to figure out what is happening here?

There is no business or site to big to fall.