yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] Jake.VR:
1) about wi-fi performance, myself I didn't try yet. Probably it is true. But there're a lot of reasons which may reduce this value: -class of Your microSD card, card manufacturer, internet connection parameters (to exclude this one it's possible to send video from computer via WiFi, not from internet connection)

May be other reasons, but before typing here, I'll check everything.

2) didn't happen

3) If You want Your phone to work properly in a "factory state", Your phone is Nokia 6230. But I agree, with that they could put atleast 8 GB internal memory in addition to microsd card slot

4) Was not detected

5) It depends on what have You installed there

6) I think support with updates is more or less OK.

But, I fully agree with such disadvantages:

-speaker;

-low battery capacity. 1230 mAh will be enough for may be one day of use.

And that new battery for 2300 mah makes phone terrible

I rate this device for its advantages: great capacitive screen, powerfull processor, OK with RAM, camera will be useful if You see something interesting, for example on the street (Can imagine myself taking my EOS500D everywhere),

web surfing. RDP and VNC are more then useful for me - You may see more or less normally remote screen, but It would be great to adapt some bluetooth keyboard to it. (I'll think over it in the nearest time).

Sorry, for my post, may be I was a little rude, but including all aforesaid problems of this device, and also other problems on which we didn't catch our sight, I can't find another device which could better suite my needs.

PS: Sorry, for grammatical mistakes, There's no much time to check :)
[HD2 General] vanilaguy:
you got it good man! i thought americans were supposed to understand english?

how come when it says speed is UP TO 100mbps, they expect a connection speed OF 100mbps?

tsk tsk, americans. they dont speak their language at all.
[HD2 General] rob_fer:
If your product can't do something, then just don't say it can do it!! :D

American industry is going down because it is a long time they are selling **** at gold price!!! :rolleyes: They thing marketing and publicity is all!!! Stop lie to customers!!!! :p If I wanted to buy a product that is +/- working I would have bought a chinese Items and save a lot of money.

HD2 is not exactly wat I can say Cheap (low cost) so if I pay I'm expecting it works fine!! :mad:

Just stop sleeping!! wake up!!
[HD2 General] sweetboy86:
May I ask how you flashed this ROM?

I'm a total noob, and at the moment my Leo is running:

ROM 1.43.206.4

Radio 2.04.50.22_2

Manila 2.5.1920

I've read that I need to downgrade my ROM to 1.42.000 before I can install HSPL, but I don't know where to find this ROM or how to downgrade it. Any possibility you could let me know?

Sorry for my ignorance :-S
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
read this...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=609477

and then read it again
[HD2 General] sweetboy86:
NOOB

May I ask how you flashed this ROM?

I'm a total noob, and at the moment my Leo is running:

ROM 1.43.206.4

Radio 2.04.50.22_2

Manila 2.5.1920

I've read that I need to downgrade my ROM to 1.42.000 before I can install HSPL, but I don't know where to find this ROM or how to downgrade it. Any possibility you could let me know?

Sorry for my ignorance :confused:
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
read my post before this one (end of page 9)...

and read it over and over and over again until you get it
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
Fair play, but if John Doe wanted a phone with Exchange capabilities his company would've got him a BlackBerry.

End of the day, you've come onto a WinMo fan site so of course you're gonna get people flame the OP for saying it's a **** phone. It's not, and this is my first WinMo phone, and compared to Nokia's aging Symbian OS and Apple's control freakery and HAVING to use iTunes and not being able to unlock it officially without paying for it is a joke.

The HD2, for me, is an amazing phone and I love the fact I can muck about with it. I do the same with my PCs so I'm a happy camper!! :D
[HD2 General] attig:
The magnificience of this phone is not it's out of the box experience. It's that every software issue is "resolvable" by this community.

WTF, we even have cooked 3D drivers! :eek:

I'd would a hundred times over rather have an average tweakable/moddable phone than a great but closed one (aka iphone). I am personally worried about Win 7, yeah the interface is great, but taking away the "tweakability" (will we still be able access the registry) is a big mistake. I hope Microsoft sees this before releasing.
[HD2 General] waffles666:
And you my friend are the sort of person who loves this type of phone, who loves having a computer in their pocket they can do whatever they want with. Your the type of person that has made this website so huge. If you dont like this phone then dont buy windows mobile, buy an iphone its locked down and is more stable (still expect a lot of crashes). people that are negative are not needed on this forum.
[HD2 General] sweetboy86:
Lol. All you had to say was don't let go of the volume down button when you soft reset the phone! And that my SPL was actually 1.42.0000 anyway!

Thanks anyway. I guess you learn better when you figure things out for yourself, right?
[HD2 General] waz000000:
Gone from HTC devices ----> iphone -----> HD2

hated the iphone it's a girly phone for those who like to be told what to do and how to do it.

Went back to htc with the HD2 and never looked back! love it to bits.
[HD2 General] bzdemes:
I must agree this phone has lots of problems. Its both awesome and terrible. Without the HSPL i think would probably have got rid of this phone ages ago. Its great fun as a gadget but still worse than my previous phone as far as a being a phone. Only just got good quality SMS sending app. I think the latest custom rom i have got has iron out the last of the problems with it.

Hopefully in another few months it will almost be perfect lol
[HD2 General] razielu:
Never said it was a ****ty phone and I don't recall the original poster doing it either, he, as well as I, were posting a couple of problems we have had with it. On top of that, I just thought it not fair to condemn a person for stating their own opinion about a very expensive device which costs a lot of money and shouldn't have many of the problems it has out of the box, or at least have access to better support, with more frequent updates.

The HD2 in itself is an awesome piece of hardware and a hell of a lot of potential if one knows just how to tweak it right. For those who don't or are non-tech junkies, it's just an average phone with a huge display and some annoying bugs.

Also, I agree with you on the aging Symbian OS and the locked-up Apple, but yet again, WinMo is quite aging itself and it's sad to see it slowly die out in the dawn of Windows Mobile 7 [which by the way I don't find to be to my liking]. The saddest part I have observed with my own eyes, periodically coming back to the WinMo universe, is how the software developers have shifted towards iPhone leaving ol' Windows behind while Microsoft sat with their hands tied and did nothing to revive it. With each device I've owned I've found fewer and fewer noteworthy apps and games for WinMo and that is quite sad knowing the powerful platform that it once was back in its 2003 and 5.0 days. And to end my eulogy to WinMo would be that I'm amazed at how it took them 8 years and a 1GHz processor with 448MB [576MB unlocked] of RAM to finally make it run smoothly.
[HD2 General] vince2773:
I have had the HD2 since late December and a couple of weeks ago I upgraded to stock ROM 1.66.

At the beginning I experienced the SMS issue (someone earlier called it kamikaze - nice understatement) and I continue to have random freezes about once a week.

This my first WM device (last one was a Nokia E60) and I was fully aware of potential issues before buying. And anyone who spends 600 Euro on something (whatever it may be) without gathering information about pros and cons has just too much money and too little sense.

Despite the known issues, HD2 is living up to my expectations and getting better the more I understand how to squeeze more out of it.

Of course I do get mad at the occasional freeze, but then when I can continue my work (even on Excel or Word) while on the bus or watch my favourite TV series just before going to sleep on that gorgeous screen, I pat myself on the shoulder and say "those 600 Eur were well spent".

Finally, on the wireless point. I use the HD2 wireless router to connect my laptop to the Internet while on the move, and it works beautifully with speeds close to the 7.2 mbps theoretical limit.

Also, after reading this thread I tested my HD2 and my Dell laptop side by side over my office wireless LAN, downloading the same file (10.424.320 bytes) from our office server over the same wi-fi connection.

It took the HD2 12 seconds with Opera (6.95 mbps) and 10 seconds with IE (8.34 mbps). The Dell notebook took 5 seconds (16.68 mbps).

I know the HD2 and the laptop are different, but it's just to get a measure of what a *theoretical* 54mbps connection can deliver.

Testing on a LAN (at a time when network traffic is close to nil) means that other variables like the ISP are out and you're just testing how the phone performs over the WiFi link. Also, as you can see the app used for download makes some difference (I tested again Opera and IE after a soft reset using a different file, obtaining very similar results).

Is 7 to 8 mbps a lot? Is it too little? I guess it's very subjective. To me, it's way more than I need on a device like this.
[HD2 General] compact_bijou:
1) Suboptimal WI-FI performance. On a 802.11g wireless network, connected to an 8Mbps internet connection

It's a phone. If 'optimal' wi-fi performance is important to you and another phone is better surely you would be better off with that phone ?

2) Stanby freeze: it's there. The phone freezes randomly while in stanby draining all your battery juice. Sometimes happens rarely, sometimes happens frequently.

Mine hasn't frozen in those circumstances but it has when out of cell range.

3) Poor memory space handling: after just 20 days of use from a fresh ROM update, my free memory space on ROM is just 36MB.

I'd put that down to a leaky app you have. The most I've had to clear is 20mb after a long browsing session.

4) "Always on" features: nice, apart the fact in random periods of time the services just stop to download data. The Twitter client doesn't work well.

The twitter client is bogus and I'm dubious of the stacks feature, too, but again that's not the fault of the hardware.

5) Poor stability in general: the OS crashes frequently. Less frequently than the first shipped rom. Still it's not very stable.

Mine is as stable as every other device I've had.

6) Poor support in general with the updates:

HTC release a phone and move on, It's always been like that and will continue to be so. You have to remember that the HD2 is already an old device when it's released. It may be new to us but old hat to HTC.

XDA developers is where the gold standard support is and I suspect many of us buy these devices to tinker with them (as well as make the odd call)

Thankfully, there are a few wizards who find all the faults and fix them, find all the issues and issue a workaround and eventually make a device as good as it should have been when it left the factory and in most cases far better.

What's the alternative ? The iPhone and its gated community mentality ?

Everyone I've met with an iPhone who's played with the HD2 has had the smug grin slip off their faces when the realise what this puppy can do in the right hands ;)
[HD2 General] Batas:
Not a phone for the masses then.
[HD2 General] slemlama:
mine sure does freeze sometimes! it happends randomly when im waking up the device from standby. even after last rom upgrade
[HD2 General] Birger:
No Problems with mine. I use roms of Arthemis.

Right now I have the 4.0 NLD, but I am now testing SBP mobile shell, and I must say, this is very good...
[HD2 General] BlackICE:
Hi!

I have the HD2 since January. It is a German Version. I flashed the 1.66 Rom a couple of days ago.

Also I have some customers as well as some friends who use the HD2. In total there are 9 Users.

Nobody has any of these problems. Maybe this is because the HD2 was bought in January or February and these devices are improved?

The only I noticed is that HD2 might hang or crash when a call is incoming and the reception is bad. But this also happens with Nokia, Sony Ericsson or iPhone - already tested here.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
None of these things happen to me after going 1.66 Dutch ROM. Seriously, people should stop crying so much about small things.

Just lookig at the poor Nokia's everywhere around me I wake up and think: wow I got a beast of a phone.
[HD2 General] drdamo:
Even iPhone's crash

I have just got a HD2 so only just getting used to it but I love it. My friends with iPhones are very envious.

I don't actually have an iPhone but I do have an iPod Touch which is very similar (except for not being a phone!) and it crashes too. Is there a device that doesn't?

The HD2 certainly isn't for everyone, and the iPhone is more user friendly, but it is a great phone (note that great doesn't mean perfect)
[HD2 General] villanbob:
Sense at last!!!!!!

I have none of he problems mentioned. There are few things I would like to improve - not needing Activesync or Windows Mobile Device Centre would be one - but all in all it's the best around. (Lets face it, iPhone needs iTunes, so there isn't any advantage there anyway).
[HD2 General] lepszy:
Exactly! Before I purchased my HD2 I researched it extensively so I wasn't dissapointed with one or two glitches. For those who haven't noticed yet. It's Windows! Its buggy and need lot of tweeking same as your XP, Vista or whatever you've got installed on your desktop/laptop. You dont write flaming post on forums after every crash of your xp/vista do you?
[HD2 General] Batas:
Nope. But you do expect to get a screen that works, don't you? (ghost typing)
[HD2 General] prle77:
Quick question..

As I was reading through this thread.. there were lots of complains about so called faults - glitches on HD2..

My question is...

How does HD2 compare to the original HD..

and I mean software wise.. not hardware .. as we all know HD2 is quite more advanced comparing to the HD..

The original HD has issues, but there were not critical issues (annoying yes .. but not critical)

Why I'm asking is because I am thinking of getting myself HD2

I have moved from TYTN II to HD.. so HD2 would be natural step up.. I guess.. :)
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
The iphone or Nokia's have never crashed on a call in my experience. WM devices I have owned do crash from time to time (freeze or black screen). Furthermore I have never needed to hard reset my iphone and only a couple of times on my nokias but with WinMo its common if you install programs/tweaks/themes and it is terrible to have to do. If Win Mo has strengths these are definitely not among them so don't try to portray them as similar problems to other OS's to new users.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
@imperiallight

You were just lucky. iPhones crash a lot, Nokias as well (though I don't know whether they crash as often as iPhones). And when an iPhone crashes, it's often hard to find out what to do to get it running again.

And if you have to hard reset because you install "tweaks" and themes, well, it's your own fault. At least, with WM, you CAN install those.

(and don't get me started about jailbreaking iPhones... that makes them even more unstable than WM devices while only giving you the basic features that WM devices have out of the box)
[HD2 General] sb777:
I like HD2

I have this phone and also I have problems sometimes on bad moments, but I still find it a very nice phone and I don't regret I bought it. But if I must choose for a new phone it's not going to be the HD2, now I want android with HTC Sense, I would go for the Legend of Desire....

However I'm not sure. Maybe it's just HTC that makes bad phones?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
No. They undeniably make by far the best hardware you can get.

An iPhone is like a cheap piece of junk in comparison and no Nokia, Sony Ericsson or whatever smartphone can compete with HTC's hardware-wise.

What's messed up in this particular case is the software. They simply did not do enough testing.

Their camera software was bad, their SMS application is buggy, their touchscreen drivers are bad, their radio firmware is buggy on some networks etc.

Lots of those issues are related to Windows Mobile, not because Windows Mobile doesn't work, but because HTC tried to make it better, but instead made it buggy.

I doubt that you'd have any of those problems with an HTC Desire, cause their customizations don't go as deep into the system on Android as they do on Windows Mobile.

(except for reception problems, maybe, cause that's not linked to WM or Android)
[HD2 General] fantasytozi:
I have to agree:)

HTC's hardware is amazing, but in terms of software, nowaday, have to say android and iphone os have a strong point:(
[HD2 General] weenween:
Personally, I think we should all stop pushing this thread up. I love all my HTC phones and all the wonderful help at XDA-developers. We should let thread from detractors die a natural death. We should not even talk about an abomination like the fruity phone, a total waste of time.
[HD2 General] ~Johnny:
Abomination? You may not like it, but the iPhone has done many great things for the smartphone market, Windows Mobile included. It also has a consistent level of speed, ease of use and fluid smoothness that our HD2's can only dream of, and will probably never achieve.

Needless to say I agree with the statement that the hardware is technologically sound, but the software just isn't quite all there. Sometimes I think if HTC teamed up with SBP we could have gotten some truely spectacular, fast and efficient interfaces created. SPB seem to be able to get very smooth and graphically packed interfaces out - yet with poor design skill. HTC seem to be able to get some wonderfully designed software out - just laggy and bug laden. Hey, a guy can dream right? :p
[HD2 General] eDaniel:
HTC HD2 is the best phone nowadays. It is funny how the iPhone losers are desperately trying to convince us that we are blind, deaf and feeble-minded. This is just pathetic!

Oh, gosh, let me know that my HD2 crashes - ahaha, come and prove it, right now. Tell me that I have problems with my phone - oh come on.
[HD2 General] Bugblatter:
When I first got my Touch HD it was a nightmare. It would freeze or run extremely slow very frequently. It came very close to going out of a window.

It wasn't until I flashed a custom ROM that it became usable, and now it's great (my gf has it).

My HD2 has had far fewer problems. The big one was the SMS bug, which was very big but luckily now fixed.
[HD2 General] pepitoil:
Dunno about the problems you mention, but for me after haveing many, many phones and smartphones.. my HD2 telstra edition is the best so far.... anyway there is nothing perfect, not even machines...
[HD2 General] prle77:
I've got mine about 5-6 months ago..

Stock standard ROM... (no modifications) runs very stable.. The only time HD freezes is due to the issue with Blackberry Connect software (BB Connect has a memory leak so every now and then i have to reinstall it.. Had the same issue with TYTN II so I'm used to it) Otherwise HD was very stable machine... the only issue I occasionally come accross is that when using bluetooth handsfree.. voice is quite low ... and that happened just suddenly.. restarting the unit doesn't help..

other than that all good..
[HD2 General] uccoffee:
SMS stuck in outbox seems fixed in 1.66, but there 's no 1.66 ROM in Hong kong & taiwan area yet

I got the paint coming off the keys problem, probably cos mine is a from a bad batch, i got a post / poll before but no one seems to care anymore~

Also, when they are fixing the SMS bug/bugs/tons of bugs, they create the sms lost focus problem

=

Originally Posted by MalekoUK View Post

You open the message, you see it loading the messages int he background and you type away, but once it has loaded all the messages it selects the last messages received and you can't see what your typing, it still types but you can see it, you have to click in the text box again to see what your typing...if that makes any sense.
[HD2 General] larrytango:
as for speed of downloading i just tested my speed my pc says speed is about almost 12Mbps (im downloading stuff aswell) tested on phone and i getting almost 8Mbps personally i think thats fine for a phone and i imagine it could do more but like i say im downloading a bit so the speed isnt constant.

only bug i have really is the cam not init. but i think that might be a swype issue it appears to happen if i ever use swype.
[HD2 General] blanco360:
For all you people saying "It's ok as I can apply all the fixes myself" and "You only buy a WM phone if you are ok with patching it" obviously don't live in Asia.

This phone is being sold as the new and flashiest multimedia thing. When it was first released, Taiwan Mobile was marketing them towards the teenager high school kids - indeed a load of my female friends all have one as they "look cool".

These are not the kind of people who will then spend ages looking through registries to fix problems.

I do like my phone, but let's take off the rose tinted spectacles people - there are a hell of a lot of bugs on it. As was mentioned, there is no 1.66 upgrade in Taiwan, and the other available versions don't have Traditional Chinese, so we can't use those either.

Cooked ROMS don't have any Chinese at all - so again, that option is out.

The WiFI reception is awful - it got slightly better with the 1.48 upgrade, but is still abysmal. I get random UI slow down, especially when editing contacts, the message reader still takes an age to load up (sure I can type a message sooner, but what if I want to read old ones?) and until I installed that "touch screen de-sensitivitiy thing" - the phone kept calling random people all the time.

Do I want to change it? No - I'm hoping that with an official 2.X release all of these problems will be solved - but as the phone is at the moment, it has too many issues to make me totally happy with it.
[HD2 General] compact_bijou:
I tend to edit my contacts full speed, full screen, with a full sized keyboard in Outlook then sync to the phone.
[HD2 General] Shadowdh:
That is simply not true, there are a number of cooked ROMs that support Chinese and a couple of them are incredibly stable and quick by all reports... check out the ROM section...
[HD2 General] appoggio:
Completely happy of my HD2 with official ROM upgrade.

No need to hard reset it once since it... no freeze, and just minimum tweak to run it optimal.

So... GREAT PHONE! :D
[HD2 General] czmichiel:
android or iphone are just as bad as wm imo. Worked with all of em and they all seems to crash when using it intensively. My HD2 is the fastest phone I've had this far. Yes the phone has some problems but then again, I am the only mofo holding a phone with a 4.3 inch screen while waiting for the train.

/flex
[HD2 General] blanco360:
They are all based off the Singapore ROM though, so only Simplified Chinese which is no good for a Taiwan user.

I myself don't want to use a cooked ROM anyway, so have to wait for the official releases.

The point I was making was about how everyone here is talking about one particular demographic as being the "geared for" user, when it's not true. The HD2 was massive news here when it was released and they are trying to get as many demographics to buy it as possible!
[HD2 General] xiaohe:
Merlion LEO 1.90,I'll flash this ROM after I bought HD2.