yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
I doubt he meant that one. I was just being tongue-in-cheek.
[Nexus One General] igord:
Just love smart people, that become members "yesterday".

It is HW fault, but is it LCD or graphic processor?

Maybe someone have similar problem...
[Nexus One General] pzumk:
I think you skipped my post and I don't know what you mean with "become members "yesterday""
[Nexus One General] dcuellar:
black screen green lines

resonse to igord:

my N1 experienced this yesterday. It will power on and off but the screen has only horizontal green lines. The previous day I experienced a garbled voice on outgoing calls. Until 2 days ago it had worked flawlessly.

Google/HTC support said it may be software issue. I've requested a "swap" for a replacement phone. This "swap" option requires giving them a credit card number for them to charge for a new phone. Once I receive the new phone and return the malfunctioning phone they will credit the cc for the amount charged.
[Nexus One General] diversificationied:
lol, nice.
[General Questions and Answers] jimk68:
If permitted may we ask why is so many chefs leaving?
[General Questions and Answers] supersanj:
care to be a bit more specific?
[General Questions and Answers] shah1237:
I can think of one reason.

$$$.

Maybe site like you knw whichone (htc pe*di*.com) ;)

site might require them to have exclusive agreement with them.

In return they get some cut from sites revenue.
[General Questions and Answers] jimk68:
itj, miri, hellonasty ......
[General Questions and Answers] denco7:
It is the App Store effect. It is really hard to put hours and hours, weeks and weeks of work into a rom or an app, then watch 3000 people download and use it, only to have 30 people actually press your donation button.

It is especially hard when you read things like this and realize the possibilities outside this " donation only " generating forum.
[General Questions and Answers] johnk1973:
duttythroy, freyberry, both from HD2 section in last couple of days..
[General Questions and Answers] cjwhite:
I may only be a visitor most of the time, but I'm looking elsewhere too.

Threads are full of ego. totally off the original topic mostly and just one-upmanship.

It's just not friendly any more.

The number of people visiting this site has made it what it is and gained it no end of publicity and there is no question that there are some great people coming here and sharing their knowledge.

However I feel it has moved from a "community" spirit of mutual help to one of it being the roughest pub in town.

I really hope they can get their house in order. Threading with ranked comments perhaps?

I'm sure there are admins on here who know that change gotta come.
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Chefs have their own life out XDA, they come and go.

I don´t think Chefs are leaving:cool:
[General Questions and Answers] johnk1973:
They are, they have said, all moving to another site but won't give a reason as if they're not allowed... not even allowed to post their ROMs here or support them here.
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Wow!!

I was out from XDA and now knowing this bad news:confused::(

I wonder why is this happening?

If anyone can tell the story...

Hope not all leave...
[General Questions and Answers] jagan2:
Yes i have also heard this. Many are saying that htcxxxxx.com is paying them to move on to their site and in a agreement that they should post their roms in their site only that is upload to their site only forever!!
[General Questions and Answers] jimk68:
True........?
[General Questions and Answers] ElCondor:
It could be true.

It started with udK I think.
[General Questions and Answers] johnk1973:
Good chefs have definitely said they'll be leaving in the last couple of days, leaving for another site, with no real reason (that they are able to give). I'm sure we'll see a lot more go in the next week.

I'm concerned people like monx who seem to be able to get hold of unofficial WM ROMs before anyone else will hold them and keep them for just people on the other site. This is all very bad for XDA.
[General Questions and Answers] jimk68:
I think our lost, that site never ask for anything other then register and download, always ask to refer back here. So many top chefs

Cheers
[General Questions and Answers] ElCondor:
They'll probably buy out all chefs here, and when they're done, they sell the roms on HTCpedia.

The chefs will get paid in that way, and HTCPedia will make a lot of profit.

I am making my own ROMs, if everyone leaves, I'll publish them here.
[General Questions and Answers] denco7:
Money....money.......money.........money..........

And don't think for one second, it is not all about money !!!!!!!

Xda as a web site is valued at close to a million dollars, some estimates over a million. What is XDA intrinsically ? A bunch of servers in a leased office in Amsterdam, with a hand full of administrators.

The true value is in the knowledge base of it's members, App developers and rom chefs. Like any other business, the " employees " see the " boss " making all this money from their knowledge and hard work, and say " hey , we can do this for ourselves and make all the money instead of them. "

A couple of chefs get together at HTCpedia and start to develop their own site, based on their own knowledge and their own cooked roms. They get some advertisers and some members and traffic. It turns things from, one chef deciding to list his work on his own site for convenience and control ( like sakajati did over at the Kaiser forum, or MobileMatt did with his great themes ) to competing businesses.

The chefs try to bolster their traffic by providing links in their rom threads here, ( something that has always been acceptable ) egos clash , accusations about stealing business, the fine line between personal links and advertising. Basically children with their toys try to carve out their own area's of the playground.

Money.....money......money...... and as with Apple vs HTC, who i going to be the big loser in this battle ? Does it matter to you where you download your roms ? If you donate to a chef here or over there, does it change your rom flashing experience ? Or could you care less about this petty squabbling and just wish everyone would just grow up.

As far as paying people to list roms on a certain site, that is a slippery slope that everyone walks. Chefs cook , manipulate, improve and port these roms, but the roms themselves are the intellectual property of M$ and HTC without question. This is the reason for the donation system and not the " pay per ". You can ask for a donation for the time and effort you put into cooking these roms, but you cannot sell what you do not own. And nobody " owns " these roms except the companies that created the rom bases.

Who is going to gain and who is going to lose from this " butting of heads ? " Who knows, but does anyone really want a public battle over the posting ( and ad revenues ) of intellectual property they do not even own.

Kick and scream too loud, and you might just get the attention of people that have been looking the other way for a long time. Money.....money.....money......I'm just sayin...........
[General Questions and Answers] samsamuel:
dead right, as soon as the roms, or the distribution of the roms becomes a commodity, htc and ms have to take notice.
[General Questions and Answers] Syphon Filter:
+1.

I have been away from the site for a few months and this and another thread about the same topic have been the first things I have seen!!

This is all very bad news. For one thing, it looks like xda-developers is losing some of it's finest talent. Is this phenomenon limited to ROM chefs? What about developers who make applications (for example, Advanced Config)? I notice that the other site has that app up for download, has the developer of that app migrated exclusively to the other site?

As has already been mentioned, once people start making money off the cooked ROMs I am sure Microsoft will start to take note. Also, how many of the developers are using a licenesed copy of Visual Studio or whatever it is they use? And the SDKs required?

Will HTC start to take umberance to the fact that people are using the Manilla SDK and butchering their (already customised) ROMs?

Maybe much ado about nothing or maybe it will lead to problems for both xda-developers and the other site.
[General Questions and Answers] johnk1973:
Yes, if they actually start charging for ROMs (one way or another) Microsoft and HTC will definitely crack down on this type of thing. I've read that they can make it almost impossible to install custom ROMs if they want to (not that it's that easy right now), not to mention taking various sites to court, Microsoft$ favorite past time..
[General Questions and Answers] denco7:
No...no....no....., you can't just step in here with 3 years of membership under your belt, 6700+ posts, with Mod status,the developer of many tools and apps that I use everyday, knowledge and ability ( maybe not the time ) to cook a great rom anytime you choose and merely post " keep on topic " :D

Get back here and leave an opinion, as a Mod and Developer. ;)
[General Questions and Answers] Chainfire:
What exactly is left to discuss? After this many pages it seems we all still disagree, so ;)
[General Questions and Answers] jimk68:
@ denco7 you sure? Thank-you " James Young " but we already knew that.

Same one that says he Bill Gates aka james?? @denco7 your sure ?

off topic

Cheers
[General Questions and Answers] cheapusenet:
im skipping to the end of this when i read something about them using it for ftp space, it wouldnt be a problem if xda didnt delete their ftp and leave everyone who owns a device older than a att tilt without all the needed romfiles.

there needs to be a 3rd party group of people maintaining a central hub of wm things. usenet would be a good place to host it.
[General Questions and Answers] Noonski:
People might think the two are secretly long time friends.

Let me read up on the thread.

Sharp on lol.
[General Questions and Answers] Noonski:
It was before Blackstone Forum existed. (don't know where and who started it but it was even before ELF)

And it's still a good one.

Rom Development should indeed include more then just

[ROM]

[ROM]

[ROM]

[ROM]

[ROM]

Etc

But hey it's the Market these days
[General Questions and Answers] dXsL:
hejsa! XDA-"newby" talking here :)

now, I'm one of those guys who believe in freedom. Rules are through inherent definition valued by some, seldom by all. Although money is of course a motivator for some (many?) developers, it's definitely not for all. Rules/restrictions are a motivator for most developers. For those of you that are like me, old enough to remember the early years of the internet, it was about not following the "rules". If at some point rules became too strict, the anarchist in a developer took over, and he or she looked and usually found a solution for what he or she saw as a problem (someone else trying to limit them).

Food for thought: why are people using the word "leaving" in this thread? What or who are they leaving? there is no contract, if it's easier to do the things you like to do somewhere else, of course you do it.

I haven't studied the XDA rules, but what exactly is "in XDA's best interest"? (don't answer this, as I'm sure this could lead to a whole new discussion :))

Why not, in stead, discuss how to make things easier for everyone? Then perhaps no one has to leave (there's that ugly word again :D)

make ROMs, not war.

/just another digital hippie :D

post scriptum- i'm defending (or trying to defend...) those (like me), NOT motivated by money.
[General Questions and Answers] Laurentius26:
Good you mention this.

I think no one is leaving because the mod/chefs didn't mention leaving, they mentioned 'XDA support ended' in there rom thread title.

At the end we all need XDA because the kitchen and tools you can find only here and without these tools they can't cook roms. ;)

Funny, they are still moderator here even without support. :confused:

Maybe that's food for tought. :rolleyes:
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
+1 I agree with this
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
This is great news to all of us. Da_G has turned down the offer at HTCPedia due to the Money agreement. BIG Kudos to him, read the post here from Que PPC

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5884703&postcount=13659
[General Questions and Answers] Staxxthedan:
Still does'nt change the fact that he could still have gone, if it wasn't for the money. I think this thread has outlived its life and should be closed.
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
No you are wrong this thread should remain open so if anyone has a comment we can do it here instead of in other development threads.
[General Questions and Answers] player911:
Well being a chef, I can see how someone would like some extra monetary compensation for the hard work. It does get pretty hairy tweaking everything to work and create roms to fit everyones requests. I started out releasing a rom I thought was really good... and then requests started pouring in for this and that. Now I cook 3 different flavors every time (Lite, Standard, and Full) versions. It takes a lot of time.

Now that said, I've been cooking for quite a while. I may not be as seasoned as some chefs but I have been doing it for over a year. Putting a rom out every few days for a year is a lot of work. Of all that work I've had 1 donation.

Now I love cooking my own builds keeping them up to date with the latest features and apps... but I've cut back a lot on what I upload. Not that I don't like sharing, but more because the later builds don't offer much. I don't see me leaving XDA though. This site is a powerhouse of knowledge and continues to put out great information. Not only with Chefs but with user created themes, content, apps, and games.

I can see how some of the major players might move off site. Those guys are super dedicated and if they are getting the same donation love I am (1 donation) I would probably move too.
[General Questions and Answers] Staxxthedan:
Well if people can't get over it, then I guess you are right. This might be the opportune "Space" to clear the chests.

Rightly put my friend. If you guys are getting 1 donation after so much hard work then go get the money. I mean why should it bother people that chefs are leaving anyway. This I am really failing to understand. There will always be one trigger happy noob uploading his newly found talent once in a while anyway. It makes me laugh especially when it is another chef complaining of chefs leaving:rolleyes: ROM building is hard as every other chef will agree and sometimes when you receive some you're like what??-They think I work for them now:mad::rolleyes: Anyway I think the main thing is for guys to just get over this chefs have leftor are leaving and what about the new ones eh?- chefs coming--chefs leaving--chefs born --chefs die-- doesn't matter ...it happens...:p
[General Questions and Answers] fb401:
I've been reading this thread and that's what I'm still failing to understand. Why do people care so much? If anyone puts THAT much feeling into this issue, they may need to reexamine their own lives.

It seems to me (and someone correct me if I'm wrong) that some people don't want others to be members of different boards simultaneously. I'm a member of XDA, HTCP, Mobile Underground and even Mobility Digest. Sue me.

Do people honestly think just because miri is a user's favorite rom dev that they'll abandon XDA 100% completely? No freaking way. There is ALWAYS something to see or download here. I'd venture to say that 98% of the time, once you're an XDAer, you'll always be an XDAer, regardless of what your favorite rom dev does.
[General Questions and Answers] acidbath5546:
Great points!

BTW I am currently getting the paperwork ready to sue you ;)
[General Questions and Answers] Laurentius26:
LoL, did you buy a drink for that 1 donation as compensation for your hard work? :p:D

If you cook for the money please stop immidiatly because that's what XDA is not about. ;)

Btw latest builds do offer a lot for me, bugs fixed, new apps, new functions, more stability, more speed etc etc..

actualy the same as you should do when you publish a new rom. :D
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
Maybe I missed a post but I don't think any chefs are complaining about them leaving. At most some of us were complaining about their actions and the actions of htcpedia and it's Linking to a site for profit of sales.

You are right cooking is hard work, but if you are truly doing it for fun it does not bother you if you only get one Donation. Yeah it makes you feel good and your work is appreciated, but if anyone thinks you can make a living on donations you are crazy.
[General Questions and Answers] :
I left the winmo cooking scene simply because microsoft sent windows mobile as we know it to a **** pile, with the release of wp7, besides the builds that from time to time are leaked are always the same BS, its a constant non changing structure, sure the UI has changed but if you really look at it, the only thing that was done was, the re-skining of the UI and the changing of the start menu position and some performance enchantments, memory management etc, microsoft just knew winmo was a dead end,with its 2d ****ty UI, thats why they made a new operating system from scratch, implementing a new and fresh design, 3d animations, transitions etc, for this and many other reasons i left the windows mobile scene and switch to android, as this operating system accommodates my every need, maybe il come back when wp7 is released as its a very promising upcoming mobile OS, im not the only one that thinks windows mobile as we know it is dead, atleast from my chef/end user view, some might not share the same though but thats the reality here, thats why i switch to android.

Sincerly.

Rafyvitto

btw: regarding the "elite chefs" , thats not the only group that doesn't like sharing, there's also another group of people that have had windows mobile 7 leak for years and they never said anything about it, until recently and still they wont release there wince 5.2 bsp for wince 7.0, but thats another story and honestly i don't care anymore wether these so called "groups" release there leak software or not, i moved on and im very happy about it...
[General Questions and Answers] indagroove:
You are purely speculating as to money being the reason, with no credible and verifiable info to back it up. The reality is simple: The people who started HTCPedia.com wanted to start their own community which could be run the way they want it to be, without the constraints and limitations that sites run by others can sometimes impose. In the process of trying to develop their sites, they have given incentives to some chefs in the form of files, which their development team gets just a bit earlier than the general public. HTCPedia supports the developers with these files who in turn support the site with their work. HTCPedia will support any developer who supports the site in return -- simple.

I've heard many rumors of payola, and other speculation, but I have seen none of these substantiated, which in my opinion is basically slander.

Really, I dunno what the big deal is. If you don't like what other developers are doing, just ignore it, and continue in your own world. If you want files early too, maybe you should just communicate with the site admin, and try to find a mutually beneficial situation.

Bashing HTCPedia and slander will really not improve this community in any way whatsoever. Really by doing so, you are making developers less and less likely to share with you. I mean, why should they? I wouldn't share with someone who was talking about me like a jerk either.
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
What more proof do you need just look at the screen shot I posted a few pages back. They are clearly breaking the rules of xda in my opinion. Xda my not see it as such and that is up to them. There is nothing wrong with voicing your opinion which is what I do from time to time. Sorry I did not get where I am in life by laying down and let people walk all over me when I felt something was wrong. Also it is not Slander, it is a fact that they are selling goods on there site which is being linked to xda.

Also read the Post about Da_G and the reason he turned down their offer was related to money. Payment for chefs I can't prove other than what has been said and I have never said anything claiming this. But I have my feeling on the issue.
[General Questions and Answers] indagroove:
There are tons of links all over this site that point to sites where you can buy things -- this is no isolated incident with HTCPedia. So, you can buy stuff there, so what? They are not linking to a place where you are required to purchase anything to get the files. You can not argue with me there.

How are HTCPedia links any different than the links to http://htc-unlocks.com/ (which are stickied in virtually every rom subforum here), which also has a commercial product which they would love you to buy.

As far as that Da_G post or whatever, I won't believe any third party postings, with users saying "I heard" or "It seems..", which is exactly what that poster said. There are simply no facts involved there. I mean, I could easily say that bobsbbq is really Da_G and hates HTCPedia because they sometimes post builds before he does. Does that make it true?? Of course not, that would be ridiculous. So, until I see that posted by Da_G himself, I don't believe it.
[General Questions and Answers] Laurentius26:
That's a bit hard if XDAPedia chef moderators here are provocating the other chefs with 'newer files' as you name it, the same chefs who are working just as hard as they do. ;)

You call it 'your own world' but we are all together here on the board and we all have equal rights isn't? :rolleyes:

I don't think Bob wants files early too but he wants what's good for us all and Pedia policy doesn't suit here. :)

At the end it's all about money isn't if I look at the screenshots of HTCPedia a few pages back and that isn't the spirit of XDA. :cool:
[General Questions and Answers] bobsbbq:
Well it is obvious that we continue disagree on things and that's fine. That is why this thread is here to talk about this in a general section instead of the other parts of the developers forums. Nobody is ever going to be 100% right or wrong. We all have our opinions.
[General Questions and Answers] indagroove:
You could make the same argument for every rapidshare link in this forum. Fact is that some developers host their work at rapidshare simply for the rapidpoints.
[General Questions and Answers] indagroove:
No, I'm 100% right and you're 100% wrong.

(JK) ;)
[General Questions and Answers] Laurentius26:
Don't make me laugh with Rapidpoints :D

Your avoiding this:
[General Questions and Answers] indagroove:
Well, you can laugh all you want about the rapid points thing, but really -- I offered a very well known developer free unlimited ftp space on a private server when he was having issues with his files being flagged at rapidshare. I was told that the benefits of rapid points outweighed the troubles with the flaggings.

As far as using files as incentives, I still don't really see what's wrong with using your resources (in this case files) to encourage chefs to develop at your site.
[General Questions and Answers] Laurentius26:
That's very kind of you especially as it's a developer free and you deliver it free unlimited. :)

Only problem I have with people offering ftp space is that you never know when it stops, it's a kind of trust.

IMO it's different if you are moderator on a website you support and you publish protected roms (with this new files inside)

but don't share them

at that moment

(provocating to your fellow chefs) with the same website you support as moderator.

On the other side you are spamming that same website you 'support' to go and pickup the sources at another commercial website.

Which website are you supporting in this case?

You get my point?