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[HD2 General] mjordan79:
I don't think so. They're advertised differently. "The phone" as a classical definition is dead. These are not plain phones but multimedia devices (that can make phone calls as a side effect) . The HD2 is advertised as a portable wi-fi router too. So I think discussing about poor wireless performance is quite legit. Why downloading large files with a phone? For the same reason there is someone who writes torrent clients for Windows Mobile or there are some manufacturers who are bringing wi-max or wi-fi N to phones.

Also, we live in a world where people don't analyze what they buy or they're not interested in doing it, so manufacturers are not incentivated to improve much. 2 phones, both advertised as "wireless G" compliant and they're considered equivalent, when someone should really realize that they're not the same thing and the real difference is how they perform. Spec sheets are for lamers and lamers buy iPhones and iPads only.

Hd2 has a fantastic screen and an amazing interface. This alone worth all the buzz about it? For me, these 2 great things are heavily moderated by the problems the device actually has. I personally hate "specialized" web sites: they never care about some real performance a device produces, so consumers are never informed about REAL differences between 2 different devices. People consider the UI only in their buying decisions. Pretty lame. Who cares about how much seconds an HD2 needs to open a page compared to an iPhone? Why not testing real performance, instead of this marketing bs?

Don't take me wrong: I love my HD2. There are only 2 or 3 rough edges that makes me nervous. The hype is good. But if "defects" are never advertised, manufacturers have no interest in fixing them: the press consider the device "perfect", so producers have no interest in fixing them: after all, they work for sales. Customer satisfaction is only a consequence of this.
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
Not at all, the UI was last on my list - if I was that bothered I'd have an iPhone!!

The WiFi is purely used, by me, to save on my data usage (even though I'm on an unlimited bundle) and it allows me to browse quicker. But I think people trying to download torrents on a phone are mad - it's overkill and people expect too much.

The HD2 is a phone first and foremost. 2nd to that is the integration with Office and Exchange. 3rd is Communications tools (Internet access, etc.). Music/video comes way down the list and last AND least is torrents. So the need for 8Mbps download on a phone is just pointless in my eyes.

Your PC is your primary device, a phone is a backup to check things when out of the office. If you NEED to see a file large enough to need a super fast wifi connection you're better off not leaving the office...
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Sometimes I am wondering about threads like this.

When I am unhappy with any product because it does not deliver the promised

functions and/or functionality, I just return it - period.

Like quite a few other, I bought HD2 only because of the existence of xda developers.

And guess what: Our 2 devices in our household ran nicely with stock ROMs,

but they got close to perfection with custom ROMs.

The best part is that we can choose between various options, something I

cannot find for any other platform and/or product anywhere.

Quite some time ago, I liked the original i900 Samsung Omnia, only to later

accept "blindly" through a contract the i8000 Omnia II.

Now, that is a piece of crap. It massively pales when compared to HD2,

but then again, blame it on me, because I decided to accept it.
[HD2 General] Richy99:
ive downloaded at over twice the speed you get so it is possilbe to get higher, it will also depend on where the files are being saved and how fast they can write to the drive, no point having a 8meg connection if the storage can only be written to at 2meg as it just will not keep up
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
XDA-developers is all about improving things we don't consider optimal. So, why buy a device for XDA when you can just avoid it (instead of returning)?

While you wonder about thread like this, try to imagine that things are improved when someone consider that the actual technology is limited / has room for improvements. Being of such attitude is certainly against the soul of this site. And basically, you're contradicting yourself. You return a device because it doesn't deliver the promised functions, but you buy a device for a website that produces improvements to limited functions. Wow, quite contradictory.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
And, of course, you know the actual write performance on both the rom and a microsd, right?

Because I can write files on a common MicroSD at 30 megabytes per second (using an USB2 port), so I cannot understand why you consider the phone memory as it would be the limit to the download speed issues. Or do you consider writing at 900KB/s is too much for an actual memory? :D
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
seriously... WHAT IS THE POINT OF ANOTHER THREAD LIKE THIS!?!

To the original poster... you are a Mod Edit end of.

These fora are supposed to be used by the people to enhance the capabilities of their devices and to discuss development of new applications.

NOT FOR WHINING THREADS MADE BY mod edit
[HD2 General] mickfarr:
Lets face it, from your very first post back in october you listed lots of faults about the phone and you still went out and bought one! :o
[HD2 General] john in leeds:
I really don't think mjordan79 is being unreasonable. He has focused on one area, wifi speed in a side by side comparison with another phone. What's the problem? Does this amazing HD2 phone have to be best at everything? Of course not. It is good to have a list of areas that could be improved either by HTC in firmware or later devices or the wonderful developers on this site. The more the problems are flagged the better the phone will eventually be. Even though my hd2 is away for a fault repair I just love it and am getting more and more dependent on it. :cool:
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
You should just learn two things:

1) Politeness.

2) How to use a forum. This is the "general" section. "Device development" is discussed in the development sections of this forum.

Also, try to learn not to participate in threads you're not interested. I personally dislike people like you. With people like you, the only thing you can discuss is how COOL is the device you have bought. If someone arises some complaints, is automatically labeled as a "bit....".

Dude, get a life.

Thanks, at least there is someone who can understand the sense of the thing.
[HD2 General] pongster:
If your mindset is that "the phone needs to work perfectly" out of the box and is updated consistently, then the HD2 is NOT for you... Go get another phone because you will DEFINITELY have problems and you WILL be disappointed by unmet expectations.

I got the HD2 knowing I would have to tweak it to my exact specifications... and I like that! The power to customize my HD2 the way I like it makes it more personal and powerful than any device I've ever owned.

That said, I wouldn't have bought the HD2 if xda-developers.com didn't exist...

The funny thing is it seems so many people buy the HD2 without truly considering if they are up to the challenge of "personalizing & customizing" the device to be their own.
[HD2 General] dankatz1:
well, I have to agree with pongster. if you can't tweak and tinker your device the HD2 is not for you. that said - it's not perfect - but nothing is :cool:

as for the WiFi problem, i just tested my desktop computer (with cable), my wife laptop (wireless) and my HD2. the desktop downloaded at 400KB/s. both the laptop and the HD2 downloaded at ~390KB/s.

and as said before, at the end of the day - it is still just a phone, a big and shiny one, but still not your computer.

dan
[HD2 General] GARGUNNOCK:
Guess I'm lucky, had no problems at all, except I can't get past location on Astro Navigator ii but that's not the phone's fault :o
[HD2 General] manuel_f2003:
it´s like the apple fan´s with the iphone....the HD2 #$%&$#"##%$#"#""" but....every WM fan whant one.

It still not perfect but for me it is the best we can get on the windows mobile market.
[HD2 General] Shadowdh:
I dont even get 8Mbps from my home landline broadband, barely an eighth in fact... furthermore I dont know many people who do... fast is fast... numbers frequently spoken, seldom real...
[HD2 General] kilrah:
The ONLY thing that being Wireless-G compliant implies, is that the device can connect to a Wireless-G network and operate properly on it. It states NOTHING about actual throughput.

And as I said, tested locally between a computer and my HD2, I get 1 MB/s average, which is perfectly good.

I just can't find a reliable internet speed test that works both on the PC and the HD2 close enough from me to get decent resutls. I've tested a few, that will give me ugly results like 300kB/s, but I tried running them on my desktop too and got the same, or even worse at times... so they're pointless.
[HD2 General] webjunky:
ever since i installed the 1.66 rom i have had no problems and my wifi speed is

download : 3.94 Mb/s

upload : 0.37 Mb/s

PING : 114 ms

I'm very happy with the HD2 except for the fact that the european models are only 448 mb
[HD2 General] ~Johnny:
Well, certainly the phone has it's problems - maybe not the ones you described but they're definitely there.

Main problem for me is just the general slow down - it's not fluid, scrolling lags all the time (albiet, not insanely, just a little bit, but it's noticeable)

There's the weather animations on the homescreen not being smooth all the time, the occasionally random lag spike where everything just slows down for no reason even if you have nothing open, text messaging lag, etc. Everyone has these issues, but they're mostly down to software so I should hope someone could fix them =/
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
Mod Warning

Been doing very well so far keeping on topic and not kicking off until we got to page 5. Oh dear.

Have cleaned this up for those wanting a healthy debate without personalising it. Please stay on topic and respect the forum rules.

If this thread is not to your liking then please DON'T POST UP; just move on.

Thanks in advance for your cooperation.

WB
[HD2 General] fruchtfliege:
i don't know if i am able to express my thoughts in english but i will try:

i bought the hd2 coming from a p3300 artemis and was after some euphoric minutes very disappointed because of the load of bugs i had:

- crackling noise in speaker

- pink spot

- "selftyping" keyboard / touchscreen problems

- huge battery drain

because of that i nearly grabbed the phone to give it back. then i thought about it and gave the hd2 a second try. it took a lot of patience to have all problems fixed or improved! after going through "hell" with this phone i really don't want to miss it. of course one of the most important part was this forum. i think that not just me would have given it back without xda-devs!

of course you can get another phone which works much better out-of-the-box. but since my artemis and wm6, tweaking and modifying got a hobby for me. and that's exactly one of the reasons why i bought a wm device again!

i just tried the iphone of a friend yesterday. the os runs really fast and smooth BUT the screensize and the design is just a joke against the one of hd2. so everytime i will get angry against the hd2 i just have to use an iphone for some minutes :D i hope nobody understand my thread as another flame against iphone, but i'm kind of proud that i'm using a phone which is customized for my needs and more beautiful in my eyes...
[HD2 General] KiD0M4N:
Ai Ai Ai!

You do realize you are defending a defect of a phone which HTC build and you paid your hard earned money for, right?

I will give you a real world analogy:

You take up a broad band connection... advertised as 100 Mbps.

You start downloading... you get 10 Mbps.

You call customer care, and complain. They say, 'Cmon sir, this is fast enough... who needs more than 10 Mbps. Everything will load instantly. You need more than that if you are downloading torrents which are illegal!'

Get what I am trying to put across? Shoddy implementation, is shoddy implementation. Companies get class actioned for pulling stuff like this in real world.
[HD2 General] byronlee:
Yes, HD2 is really bad ...... to my wife as I'm just spending too much time playing with it everyday. With xda-developers and a few killer apps such as BSB, S2U2 and JWMD, they just make HD2 the most fun to use and play with of all devices!

Until those giant brands and manufacturers like Foxconn, HTC, Nokia etc. can somehow leave all commercial considerations behind and build a "perfect phone" and solved all your issues (but trust me there will be new ones then), why not just enjoy the best one available on the market now?

Human desire is unlimited but luckily, technology development is also limitless!
[HD2 General] space_blaster:
To be frank, mjordan79, Windows Mobile requires tweaks to work perfectly fine. Stability and performance are never the things I expect from a stock ROM out of the box. Let me help you with some of your probs:

1) Solving the Deadly Stand-By, it seems to be a legacy bug ever since WM5(my X51v). The best way to circumvent it is to change the all the schedules of ActiveSync to manual. (Create a dummy exchange server if schedule is not accessible)

2)Shrinking ROM free space is not usually refered to as bad memory management, which means bad RAM management, aka low RAM free space. I believe the shrink free ROM space has many thing to do with the HTC Album which constantly creates thumbs and cache files that keep swelling. Find some tweak to remove or relocate these cache and boom, problem solved.

As to your last two concerns, the best solution: TWEAK TWEAK and TWEAK!
[HD2 General] Tech Savy:
High Tech

I don't know what phone you have either. My HD2 works just fine as well. No freezes or memory leak or battery brain.... You need to replace your phone. I've had mines for about 3 months now, and it works great........
[HD2 General] Scrtcwlvl:
In all honesty, I haven't experienced any of the issues you have described.

The only, absolutely only issue I have, is the data network timeout. If this could be rectified I could die happy.

I've tried nearly every tweak I can find and some seem to fix it for 24 hours, then it goes back to not working.

I understand if this is simply a hardware issue, using a Telstra Unit in an area with both 3G freqs, but hopefully not.
[HD2 General] fazz:
Disagree

Haven't had any of the problems anyone or the original poster is describing!

If I did or had, would have tried to get it sorted and if no luck, bin/sell it and move on.

However all the problems I have been getting are software related, which is very obvious, because as soon as an update or simple fix is out, it cures the issue usually straight away.

Nothing is perfect, we all know that, but for the age of this phone and it's great value, it isn't far from perfect and the best phone compared to all others currently.

I think I speak for most of the 'happy and lucky' HTC HD2 users out there when I say... ready and waiting for the HD3... naturally. [^_^]
[HD2 General] notisz:
Guys windows mobile is the problem not our devices....Lets hope windows mobile 7 will cure our problems like windows 7 made the difference!! Come on microsoft give us a proper operating system like iphone's...
[HD2 General] tonycosta:
I have had many problems with my hd2, inc the timeout, wifi slowness and the standby freezer. All these problems where fixed via updating the rom and radio. Although this phone has been problematic, the feeedom to modify, change & customise has meant that the phone is perfect to my needs.

and i thought all phones had bugs.I would suggest an iPhone like someone else has but ive just ditched mine due to unfixable bugs.

But lets be honest. the only reason any winmo phone is worthy of current market phones is all down to XDA.
[HD2 General] aussie1234:
htc messaging

:)yes i agree

hd2 hs no camera for video calling, sense 2.5 looks nice but starting to date and lacks features.

htc messaging is ATROCIOUS, sms is slow and freezes.

Too bad htc cant seem to match their software to hardware.

cheers

aussie
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
not 1 Broadband company guarantees 100Mbps - it'd be UP TO 100Mbps with the normal pre-requesites needed to get the best speed :p
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
after i upgraded to the official 1.66 rom and after 1 month of use nearly no issues and my device is very smooth now with no problems and never hangs
[HD2 General] SyLvEsTeR20007:
Mr Thread writer is not competent

I want to give my 5 cent if I may be so bold.

Firstly, you dont test your wifi devices speed via some speed test net program, too many hops before the data get to your device.

I use the network folder plugin over wifi (with the supposed Wifi-n hack turned on) and have copied a solid 500mb video over wifi from off my laptops HDD (laptop is connected using ethernet - 100Mbps) onto the SD card (16GB Kingston). I use Windows 7 and have the network gadget on the sidebar that gives me a real time bandwidth usage and the sustained transfer of 1100kbps. I have secured my network using mac address and not a wifi encryption to reduce overhead. THere is nothing wrong with the HD2 and FYI, i get 900kbps on my HTC HD. I think your test was not very well carried out and should be n/a.

PS, my router is a netgear....something but its wifi N and comes with the virgin 50MB fiber optic package.

I had non of the issues you are reporting but did with a stock rom so the rest are valid point but i now run SMABERGS 1.1 6.5.x rom and all issues are not present, the only issue i have is with TomTom killing my bluetooth when its installed :(

Thanks for opening this thread, its nice to see people being objective from both sides of the table.

ttfn

ps, if you hnave an 8mb adsl internet connection over POTS you will not get more than 840kb's, if its ADSL over ISDN (like in greece) then I cant comment as in the UK adsl is over POTS only so im not sure how you managed 900kb's on your nokia, but as i said, its dependant on the underlieing tech and hardware and isp.
[HD2 General] justin0679@gmail.com:
I second that emotion...

I think the HD2 is an incredible piece of kit.

I am a flashaholic and still have not come accross a bug that dosent have a simple workaround.

Rgs,

J
[HD2 General] SyLvEsTeR20007:
This is so true, more so for the work arounds, almost every bug ive found can be fixed where as the iPhone seems to suck hardcore for bugs as you just have to wait for the next update from apple and they are few and far between. Winmo and Android boys on the other hand have th XDA forum devs who cant be thanked enough, they are truly remarkable and some have gone to great lengths to help people they dont even know with problems and have done it a damb site faster than apple would fix an issue, hell, apple wont even considder helping a single person to resolve a bug in there software, they would just send an automated or pre-defined email telling them "thanks for your vauled input as a "valued customer" we will ignor your email until more people start making it a bad press issue for us.

Kind Regards

The iFag Team

I love the XDA devs, they are truly the best support ive ever had from anywhere, i want all your home addresses so i can send you all xmas cards or birthday cards :)

ill send apple a rotten tomato!
[HD2 General] morpheus1982:
What ROM are you on? I bet you are not on the latest....
[HD2 General] ~Johnny:
I think a lot of ill feeling goes towards the fact that a lot of people have paid £500+ for this phone, and they genuinely just expect it to work (which, to be honest is a fair thought), and they don't want to need to look for workarounds. A top of the range flagship phone should be shipping with as little problems as possible.

Plus, things like the slow HTC Messaging with many texts can't bee fixed by us (though it an easily be solved by HTC by only loading the latests 20 messages in a thread then giving you a little button at the top of the list to load more.)

And then there's the expectation for everything to be as smooth as the iPhone, especially with the HD2's 1Ghz processor - and unfortunately it's not, not even particularly close, whether that's down to Windows Mobile's codebase or something else, it's just not there. And the inconsistency - sometimes scrolling through the Sense manilla for example will be perfectly smooth. Lock your phone - come back 20 minutes later, you've changed nothing but now it's got laggy scrolling for no discernable reason at all, then leave it for about 30 seconds and it's back to smoothness. It brings down your outlook on the phone slightly =/

Still, in the world of Windows Mobile alone, definitely the best phone you can get! :D

EDIT: I think this video does a good job of highlight a frustration or two with the phone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umi0Ozqhhz4

(though I think his first point about messaging maay be fixed for most people - but it still happens if you have a lot of texts) (Note, most of htese problems only happen in excess after a couple of weeks on the same ROM, and of course, this applies to stock ROMS most of all)
[HD2 General] rob_fer:
Damned!! wake up works with any of the buttons!

Hi all,

first of all I would lik to thanks XDA-Dev for their excellent tools. :)

I have upgraded to ROM 1.66 and I don't reach any of the mentioned issues.

Also I don't use twitte neither facebook or such an application.;)

But since the upgrade there is a misfunction with the sleeping process.

set to sleep (short pression on the ON/OFF button) works fine. But the awake should be done only with a short pression onthe ON/OFF button.

The problem is that it awakes pressing any of the buttons. :mad:

Does anybody also issue this?
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
same for me, didn't even notice it tbh!! don't see it as a problem though, it's still locked...
[HD2 General] Eoinoc:
My only issues has been the reported screen problem. And since I firmly believe it's a hardware issue and not the general workings of all HD2's I've sent mine back for replacement.

And I can't wait to get that replacement, I love the phone and really really want it back!!!

Honestly I'll never understand these complaint threads and still subscribe to the conspiracy theory that they are funded by Apple!
[HD2 General] rob_fer:
Hoooooo!!!!

I can sure NO! I would never buy Iphone. I hate I-tunes! :p
[HD2 General] SyLvEsTeR20007:
second that!!!
[HD2 General] vanilaguy:
too many complaints - get a new phone or a new life

whiners. your kind of people should stop buying gadgets. uggh! most of your issues are software. and think that the phone is a lemon.

you complain because you don't know what to do and how to fix it, then start threads like this assuming a stance that you are some kind of expert and expect people to side with you.

you are the kind that will call tech support and threaten with a lawsuit or comments like you will never buy another (fill in with product name) or tell friends never to buy a (fill in with product name).

you are the very reason why the american economy dips to its lowest low because tech companies are losing money because they have to cover you for warranties that were not valid in the first place!

you are the very reason why americans lose jobs because tech companies have to outsource tech support to some foreign land in order to keep costs down.

you are... uggghh!!! just stop buying gadgets altogether.

i suggest you to get soda cans, open up one side, thread the bottoms to each other with something like a two mile thread so you can bring one soda can with you in the car while the other stays at home.
[HD2 General] Tokolosh:
well i cant say that wireless networking is slow at all (but i am using cooked roms)

At work we have a Wireless-N network (300mbit/s) and with the Leo i get a max of ~6.5 to 6.8mbit with ease. Same goes for 3G as my Provider provides up to 7.7mbit via 3G, which i dont quite reach but its still good enough for me.

So all in all i dont see the same problem you are describing