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[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Then you have a worryingly short memory.

Back in October Adobe announced they were going to launch FlashPlayer 10.1 on just about every mobile platform in existence apart from iPhone: http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200910/100509AFPforMobileDevicesandPCs.html

On January 6th they still publically intended to have a WM6.x version, and went so far as to announce that the HD2 would be the first WinMo phone to run it. By February 9th, WinMo support had been formally cancelled. See here: http://forums.adobe.com/thread/550281?tstart=30 (posts 2 and 9).

There are actually videos of alpha/beta versions FlashPlayer running on an HD2, and they couldn't possibly have got this close to a release without fully understanding the demands of the OS, so the bit about cancelling because Windows Mobile lacks some of the necessary API's is very obviously a lie.
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
the rationale for cancelling it is surely irrelevant? Whatever their reason WM6.5 will get nothing!
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
yes its true..i hate it how microsoft labeled WInMO 6.5.x as Classisc, as a cheap grade B OS compared to WP7S, WP7S may look NICE, but i think its not suited for power users, it doesnt have multi task (not comfirm yet, but as far as we see from now it doesnt), and MS is LOCKING it like the iphone, NO custom UI or anything.. its just as hype up as the iphone before it was release, that is what WP7S is.

They should of called it WP7 Home os Premium or something, and the Old WinMO 6.5.x should target business/ power users and be renamed WP7 Profesional
[HD2 General] shu8i:
the price is already falling i think. if you see the tmobile pricing for an unlocked device for 450$.? i bought mine for 600 €
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
There a lot of talk about should or would the price be lowered, well that will be determined by sales nothing else. If people stop buying the HD the price will go down. The question to ask is will the lack of win7 stop anyone buying one?

Well it stopped me, well sort of. It was the last straw, not in an annoyed way, I was just weighing up whether to back to a £35 / month contract when I currently get 300/300 unlimited data on Voda with my Touch HD for £15 / month.

I'm current using a xanny 6.5 ROM and the phone is running better then it has ever done and so I currently see no reason to upgrade.

I am holding out for a phone with decent camera / flash + 720p video. HD1 or HD2 sized would be a bonus. I could live with Andriod but I aint going anywhere any phone without SD card support (crapple)
[HD2 General] attig:
Yes but, and this is the monster "BUT". If the applications are not going to be compatible accrosse these 2 parallel platforms then where will developpers concentrate their work on?

I read on the Webis (makers of Pocket Informant) forum a comment from their CEO that compared to Iphone and Android, the WM version of their soft is not even a blip in their revenue stream. They are developping and supporting it out of decency, not because it makes economic sense. What about the other software, will anyone still bother?

They essentially killed the platform needlessly. You can add all the UI crap you want on top of the ultra-configurable ROM, like Sense, and have an option to turn it off. You can even enforce non multitasking and leave the option to turn it back on. You can dumb the whole phone down and pretty it up iphone-style and still leave proper advanced features.

A lot of questions are still up in the air, and it all may change. But if WM7 shapes up as it is looking to, then I am saying screw MS and just go to to Android. And that even if our cooks manage to heroically port WM7 to the HD2.

I am not buying into closed ecosystems.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
You guys better sell your HD2s before the rest of the world, outside of xda, finds out about the HD2 and its deadwish with no wp7. You'll get higher prices that way. But, be prepared to wait 8 months for a WP7 phone to come out.
[HD2 General] Archer:
At the time of writing, my HD2 with WM6.5 is better than ANY WPS7 device on the market. It's actually infinitely better!

If everyone rushes to sell the best device on the market then the price will go down. You'll end up selling a 3 month old device for about £200, just because there's 1,000s of them on eBay. I can't wait to buy them nice and cheap and sell them 3 months later for twice the price!

SELL! SELL! SELL! SELL!
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
no i wont sell my HD2..im proud of WinMO 6.5. I dont give a crap about WP7S. I just hate the fact that microsoft killed WInMO 6.5 and earlier.

I hate the fact that WInMO 6.5 wont get less or perhaps no more support developers (Adobe n skype has abandoned it)

Well done microsoft, u just killed the most powerful OS on the market for something "consumer" based stupid locked ecosystem.. so F*** WP7S. If im upgrading(another year or so), it sure is gonna be android
[HD2 General] shu8i:
the specs of the lg panther are out: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2264&c=lg_panther

why should i sell such a beautifull device for another one that has almost the exactly same specs as the hd2 and is coming in ~6 months?
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
I find myself starting to agree with this line of thought where I didnt before. It seems to me that this OS change is not about he user at all, its about creating a closed platform like the Iphone so MS can dictate more easily what we do and what we buy. 6.5 is pretty poo but so was vista and they changed that around easily enough without reducing choices or functionality.

MS 1 - customer 0

However, I dont think XDA will let them get away with it, I am sure there will be lots of lovely tweaks and hacks within minutes of the phone being sold.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Well, obviously we don't get Flash either way; but the reason matters in that if Adobe were telling the truth about their motives for dropping support for WM6.x then that reasoning would apply only to FlashPlayer and not to any other software project by any other company. My contention is that the real reason is because Adobe has realised that WM6.x is already dead as a commercial software platform; in other words, that this was a commercial decision, not a technical one. If that's what it was, then it is a prime example of commercial software developers abandoning Windows Mobile - a process which you should expect to continue and accelerate.
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
To be honest, after years of the MS "openess" I am starting to crave a closed system. I really just want something that works - not needing to open three different programs to sync random stuff to my phone. At this stage I would be happy with WM7 in a closed form - just as long as it works. If they leave it slightly open - even better, but just as long as it works.

I would pay for MS to give me the ecosystem (ie pay the WM7 licencing fee) and pay to reinstall all the programs such as navigator. Instead I will live out my HD2 platform and move to a different system (anything but HTC and microsoft)
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
I can see why many people at xda dont like WP7, a completely new platform which makes big changes. (but we only know at mix how open the platform is/ what kind of multitask it supports etc.)

At the other hand, If Microsoft wasn't taking this step it would slowly decent into oblivion, because WM6 and 6.5 is just an old fashioned platform with no appeal to the modern market. With WP7 Windows brings a new platform to the market, which has much more possibilities of growth. I think this is the only way to capture a decent part of market share, and its impossible without cutting some old roots.

But only at MIX we will know more of what it will be. I hear many people here compaining about a product they never used, which they saw a prebuild from, from which they dont know how open/closed it is, etc.

I dont understand all people complaining about the HD2 not getting an update. It's completely bulls*** you complain about a device which was launched more than a year before the release of WP7. I own a HD2 and its a very good smartphone with HTC Sense, I didn't bought it because there were some speculations that it might be given a update more than a year after the release.

And why should I want to sell my nicest phone ever>
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
My HD2 cost almost as much as my HP TX2 tablet. My HP TX2 was upgraded to WM7 after 8 months of use(yes, i had to pay, but I was still happy). Why doesn't MS offer an upgrade option if the HD2 owner wants it? If we need to pay - fine - just give us an option.

If you like 6.5 - stick with it. Its your choice. Thats all I want is the option to upgrade (which I would gladly take).
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
You buy a device for what it is at the moment, not about what it might be over more than a year.

MS has internal reasons I think to dont give an update, Remember: its a total different platform. But thats no reason to bash the HD2. Maybe it is much work, maybe its has high costs, etc, etc.

Its seems not nice/fair in the eyes of some consumers (tweakers), but from the point of the company I can clearly see some reasons not to give an update.

But after all theres a decent change the guys at xda will cook a rom for the HD2, and some change the device will be used as developer phone.

Some respectable members here with inside information told there are HD2's running WP7 at HTC Taiwan, and It is certainly possible to run WP7 on a HD2.

Only after MIX we can tell more.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
you dont get it do you...with the upcoming WP7S, MS has killed off winMO6.5.x

Developers everywhere are abandoning winMO6.5 NOW, not in the future, but they already has abandon them NOW.

No more Flash upgrade by adobe or SKype. MOst developers wont be supporting WInMO6.5. anymore, not 6 months or 1 year when WP7S will be launch, BUT AS OF NOW, they already jumped ship.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i told them that but they are not beliving
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Like what Steve Ballmer said a long time ago (launch of Windows 95 i think), OS are NOTHING without the help of Developers developers developers developers developers (he go on saying this a lot of times lol)

NOw developers 1 by 1 are abandoning WInMO 6.5. Not when WP7S is release, not 6 months or 1 year from now, but AS OF NOW.

so what is WinMO 6.5 without support of developers.. NOTHING. ITS DEAD. Microsoft killed it. end of story.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are right ,as wm6.5 is dead from now we would better sell our hd2 from now before the decrease in its price and the big loss
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
nope..im not selling mine :) i love winMO 6.5.3 and im sure WP7S will sux ass (locked ecosystem and no signs of multitasking)

im just dissapointed that MS did this to winMO 6.5 and developers are abandoning it.. haih..

MS also gonna rename it WP Classic, the cheap and class B alternative for lower end Phones.. WTF..

WinMO is by right is FAR more capable n powerful from WP7S (if its locked and no Multitask)

u cant even change n customize the UI in WP7S.

they should of renamed it WP7 Home or Premium while WinMO 6.5 should be called WP7 Professional for the high end power users (geeks like us who knows what theyre doing)
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Alright, I agree with you on this point, but I dont think it will be a major problem till WP7 comes out, because there are enough apps at the moment.

But indeed it is a pitty for people who liked the Wm6.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i love it also but os without support really sucks (remember symbian uiq ) after the end of support not even one application released for it , (and i hate calling hd2 a low end device ,even the hd1 is not a low end device tell some monthes later ) i love hd2 but i hate microsoft as well as htc for their bad support
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
I still rely heavily on WinMO 6.5..

all my medical apps are there..i have tons of them. Helps me a lot with my work, manage data on my patients etc.. no other OS can help me better. iPhone may have 100,00 apps, byt 95% of them TOTALLY CRAP AND USELESS.

WinMO apps are the best ive seen and fully functional. Too bad developers will no long continue to support. Ive heard that skyscape also going to stop support for the WM apps soon :(

there goes my medical apps updates :(

Its a pity how microsoft killed winMO.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Adobe and Skype have jumped ship already, and that's just the ones we know about. I was looking forward to getting proper Flash capability on my HD2, but the WP7S announcement has made that impossible; if I want Flash I'll need to defect to Android. People are not anxious about something that is going to happen 9 months from now, they are anxious about something that is already happening.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
very early end for hd2 as well as wm6.5 (disapointed ,second device will be android )
[HD2 General] lonelykatana:
why, oh why?

This topic is b/s, and pointless.

So let me get this right, your saying that because an update has been announced there will be something better on the market and the old product will be phased out?:confused:

I'd never have guessed any of that ;)

Stating that developers are not making apps ect for winmo 6.5 is pointless.

We'll still have more apps open to us, than winmo will have for a good year or so. So why ***** about it?

Just a fyi to the OP, Phone prices have a tendancy to drop about 50% in the time it will take WP7 to come out (of the closet :p), so its not a big deal.

Why are we even having this discussion, its insane. Not to mention pointless.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
you sure dont get the point do you.. our hardware specs are magnificent, but but we cant take any advantage of that from any developers! there arent any games that is going to come out to make use of its power..

We have multitouch capabilities, but no support from developers to produce any apps that has any use of its multitouch.

We bought the phone for a few months to use older apps that is capable on older gen phones..tthat is the point..

we have little to low chance of getting cool new apps that is up to date.

Medical apps need to be updated contastantly as things are change by the year, now ive heard (from a friend in skyscape, ive been a loyal customer for so long) that they also will stop making medical apps and updates for WinMO.

YES THIS IS A BIG ISSUE. I didnt buy a state of the art phone to use older apps which arent getting updates. NO. that would be pointless. SHould of sticked with my old kaiser. Damn u MS for killing winmo.
[HD2 General] donwhann:
the only one thing im gutted about this whole issue is the total drop of flash support, its even harder to swallow after watching a recent vid of the new version working on our phone......gutted !!!!
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
yeahh..kinda hurt hearing about it..jealous that N1 owner with same specs got the flash and we have no possibility of getting it officially :(

im starting to hate MS..
[HD2 General] umiss:
Indeed. I have no issues whatsoever with us not getting the 7, but if the development on apps stop for the HD2 it's just too brutal.

A great phone with great hardware but nothing can utilize the capabilities. The greatest phone ever (hardware and design!) died within 3-4 months :S

Imagine if HTC could release an android-update to the HD2 xD I would love them so much..
[HD2 General] m0j0j0j0123:
Where there is a will there is a way, win7 will grace our HD2, I will keep the faith :D

As for prices, I doubt it.... its still a sweet piece of kit regardless of OS.
[HD2 General] xnes:
Come on guys.

Think again about it. Windows Mobile 6.5 will be know as Windows Phone Classic and

will still get development and support

.

I don't know if you know but many companys all around the world have a application developed for WinMo (mine as well), and as Microsoft will not make windows phone 7 compatible, it's because they WILL still support this platform.

The development of windows mobile have been made for a long time for OEM basically.. see, only changed the interface since 6.0 to 6.5 and that's the major Microsoft's improvement in 2 years I think... since then HTC, Samsung and the guys from xda that have improved the system...

It's 2 different lines, the classic one, that is so good in the enterprise market, the one we know and the Windows 7 that I think is being made only to catch a piece from the iphone market, easy to use, many apps, one app running at time, the user do not get confused, do not have the batteries running out.. the developers do not worry about the device resources disappearing... with Microsoft driving all the development. Only microsoft, OEM will not change not even the UI.

Understood? It's not a revolution, it's a new different evolution line.
[HD2 General] umiss:
You fail to see how Skype and flash support is dropped for our phones...

I don't care about fancy apps, but being cut off from these everyday usable stuff really is a kick in the groin
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you still didnot understand that the most important developers stopped supporting wm6.5 (imagin device with no flash support ,no skype ,no medical applications ,no useful thirdparty applications , even no updated gps software ) what do you feel now

and wm6.5 will be released for low end devices only (which hd2 is not one of them ) so the applicatins that will be released will be for low end devices which will not enable us to use the full power of hd2
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
U dont get the point do u.. They ALREADY HAVE ABANDON IT. PERIOD. EVEN BEFORE THEY UPDATED IT TO WINDOWS PHONE CLASSIC. plz read my previous post.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Im trying to contact SPB and see whether they will still support WinMO 6.5.
[HD2 General] xnes:
I must admit you have a point. But I think (I hope (I pray) ) the transition to windows Phone 7 will be smoother than most of you think... I did see skype is no more for windows, but it is for symbian, and come on, the current symbian touch screen is dead, or did not even born actually, as symbianˆ3 is not compatible with symbianˆ1.

Well, you gave arguments to rethink, but anyway, it is still to early to see how the market goes. Even for the OEM companys. I see they do not get 100% Microsoft vision...

Nobody till now showed a multitask on WP7. Till then, I really think that the forces may be for the new system right now. But can remain on both OS after this firsts WoWs.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
The number of Symbian USers ARE FARRRRRRRR A LOT..i mean hugely different amount compared to winMO. They will be supporting symbian till it is phase out.
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
So I decided to send a short note to HTC via their site feedback. I think it is important they know how their clients are feeling about this!
[HD2 General] Megahowler:
Dear Lynehammike,

Shall we call you a wambulance?

We never promised a W7 upgrade. Perhaps you should have not bought a cutting edge device expecting a free upgrade to an operating system that has not yet been finalised nor given a release date. Furthermore you account for around 1% of our user base. Given this we don't give a **** what phone you recommend to your small group of friends. We look forward to them as future customers with our upcoming HD3 with W7 operating system.

Regards,

HTC

I have recently purchased a HD2.. by recent i mean.. it's still on its way to me via Fed Ex.

Did i know about no W7 upgrade? Yep

Did i care? Nup

It's still the most powerful phone on the market with the most gorgeous screen known to windows mobile devices.

Sure developers may shift to W7 but from what i've seen they havent exactly been generous with the current WM and the HD2's capabilities.
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
Megahowler you are a Troll. Clearly you didn't even bother to read the note I sent to HTC - I didn't plead for a free upgrade nor did I say that they had promised one. Try not post messages which attempt to degrade other members of the community. If you cant make your point politely, don't bother.
[HD2 General] young blade:
+1 I agree
[HD2 General] aceo07:
Learn to wait guys. WP7 is NOT out. Nobody wants to promise or make statements about anything that's almost a year down the line. Microsoft employees have made statements, but they're very vague and you can read it one way or the other.

The HD3 will probably be out around the time WP7 is released, so why would they want to promise that WP7 will be on the HD2 when the HD3 will most likely have it? So they can cut into their sales?
[HD2 General] Megahowler:
just sick of people degrading what is still an awesome device.. wm7 or not
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Indeed it is just stupid, because you dont buy a device for a possible update more than a year after release. Its the best device I worked with, Wp7 or not.

The HD2 defenitely wouldnt be better with Iphone OS or Android. Its just the most powerfull device, and It can do everything.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
idiot never read my previous post about my comments... another troll.

Yes It can do anything. BUt it wont not much longer.

Not even skype. Flash 10.1 is not capable and wasted on the huge gorgeous screen. My medical Apps are absolete soon with no future upgrade. Iphone got just got something like google goggle and we cant have ****.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
damn MS..thanks for killing WInMO
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
yes it is. BUt i cant update my medical apps. I cant get all the latest apps. I cant view flash 10.1 on my large gorgeous screen. Whats the point?
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Apple would have given you a free and compatible OS upgrade but M$ don't dont care after screwing their customer base with poor OS development over the past 5 years. And still posters say, "why would MS give WinMo 7 for free when they can make money out of it by getting you to purchase a new phone". HD2 is the last brand new phone I will purchase from them.
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
I can see your point, but is Microsoft Responsible for that? That are all 3th parthy apps.

@ flashplayer: Flash is not working on any device yet with android or Ipone OS, so whats the point?

Skype is still working on my HD2, they only stopped developing. Cabs are downloadable at XDA.

Everything is still working on my HD2, and that wont change soon.

Microsoft is not abandoning WM 6.5, only 3th party devs are stopping there support, because everyone will buy WP7 phones, and it will only cost money.

Wm 6.5 will still be supported by MS, and the HD2 will still be an amazing phone.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
I hope WP7S will be a big fail for MS. It will definately. Taking out multi task and the freedom of WinMO and customizebility for a good UI defeats the purpose of being a WinMO device.
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Microsoft is not the owner of the hardware like Apple. Blame HTC, SE, Samsung, etc. Not Microsoft.
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Your HD2 will stop working or what?

Microsoft will still be supporting Wm6.5. Only 3th party developers will stop support, no blame for Microsoft.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
read my previous post plz.

What is an OS without Developer support? Tell me.. ITs NOTHING.

What happened to symbian? Do u fail to see it?

Developers stop supporting symbian recently, u cant find any decent app for it. ITs dying. So will WinMO.

Now somehow i feel cheated by HTC/MS cause my 2 month old device is already dead. I dont get the support from developers anymore. Its a dead end in just 2 months.

We were promised with multitouch apps, new flash and etc, but that is all a dream now. NOthing to take advantage of the hardware specs we have. The big gorgeous screen isnt capable of viewing flash content.

Flash 10.1 is Working on android with their recent update. WHERE HAVE U BEEN THESE PAST FEW WEEKS???