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[Desire General] Coatezy:
I loved my innov8 :) was an n96 but built 10x better. But yes your right never saw any updates. I have now decided im going to keep the hd2 as well as getting the desire. Might sell it eventually if i really like Android. :)
[Desire General] leoni1980:
I've ordered a Desire through mobile phones direct and i will pay the whole contract off next month. When you pay off a contract you pay the sum of the 18 months but you do NOT pay the VAT, so all i will have to pay is £306. I had to pay £59.99 For the handset so thats a sum total of £365.99 for a sim free unlocked handset and a marginally improved credit rating :)

I'd like to see if someone else can find the handset that cheap!
[Desire General] Coatezy:
Good idea.. Although i dont mind paying a little extra to get the phone from Clove as i think their customer service is more than worth it. :) bought my hd2 from them also.
[Desire General] MrKaon:
After I heard and see features of WM7 time to move to different OS. They destroyed legacy of it.

HTC Desire is the best option for me.
[Desire General] gogol:
You can sync with Outlook. HTC will include "HTC Sync" app.

Read about it on HTC Hero manual, it should be the same thing with HTC Desire:

http://www.htc.com/hero/m/files/guides/090720_Hero_HTC_English_UM.pdf
[Desire General] n-j-f:
I'm definitely planning on switching. There are too many instances when I have to go behind Sense into some WM setting screen where it is just very difficult to get to touch the precise part of the screen. Also, it is obvious no one is going to develop new apps for WM 6.5 and it looks unlikely W7 is coming to the HD2.

I am finding it difficult to choose between getting a Nexus One now or waiting and getting the Desire maybe next month. I like the idea that, with the N1, you will be able always to get updates from Google but, with the Desire, you will have to wait for HTC to decide to upgrade the firmware or for one of the wonderful developers on XDA to port the new version.

I quite like the look of the trackball on the N1 for more accurate placing rather than the optical trackpad but I definitely like that the Desire is an aluminium case, like the HD2, and will have Flash etc. Also, the Desire has hard keys for menu etc.

Does anyone know yet if Google Maps with turn by turn navigation will work on the Desire, particularly in the UK?

I did also look at the Xperia X10 but I think it even less likely SE will continue to update the firmware and it probably won't even come with 2.0 or above on release.

Interesting comparing the prices of the three at Expansys - N1 £599 (ridiculous, you can get them new on ebay in the UK for around the £400 mark if you're careful - X10 £489 and Desire £439.
[Desire General] n-j-f:
By the way, can anyone confirm voice dialling over bluetooth will work on the Desire? That's one of my biggest gripes with the HD2.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Android "flies" on the G1 lol I don't think the Desire will have any problems.
[Desire General] xmfreak:
I'm refloating this thread because I don't know what to choose an HD2 or a Desire.

I would like to know the opinion of those of you who really have used WM6.5 and Android 2.1. I'm coming from an Xperia X1 and an Omnia so I know perfectly what to expect from WM6.5. If I switch to Android I'm going to miss a lot g-alarm (superb) and the phonex dialer. I also like a lot the HTC sense 2.5 interface. And I really like better the HD2 design (dark and elegant).

Despite that, I'm considering about switching to Android since I'm worried about getting stuck with WM now that Microsoft is not going to support WM6.x anymore. I suppose most developers are going to abandon this OS since it has no future. But there's also the 4.3" screen vs the 3.7 Amoled screen, I will use the phone to browse internet and I don't really know if the difference is that huge. After all both phones are almost the same size.

I would also want to know if you can use Desire as an access point. I usually need to connect to internet from my laptop (because of my work) and I wonder if I can use the 3G from the desire. I know I can do it with HD2 but I'm not really sure if it's possible with the desire.

I would apreciate your opinions about this. Thanks!

PS: I know the right choice would be the EVO 4G but I'm from spain and I don't think it's coming until late 2010 so it's not an option.
[Desire General] paddyde:
I've just moved to Android on the desire 4 days ago. Before that I was using winmo on the omnia and before that I was using a tytn and prior to that I was using a dell axim. So I'm experienced with winmo. Here's my advice:

DUMP WINMO.

In thee past 4 days with Android I've come to realise just how rubbish winmo was/is. Microsoft had years to get the OS and GUI right, they had a head start on Apple and Google which by now should've resulted in a near total monopoly for Microsoft. But using winmo is a pain when compared with Android. Android just works. A classic example of this is when using hyper links whilst surfing the web. With Android even when zoomed out pretty far, even the smallest hyper link can be accurately hit with one fat finger jab.... even if it surrounded by other hyperlinks. On winmo you need to zoom all the way in and laser guide your finger nail to the link and try not to throw the device again the wall when it fails to realise your trying to open the link for the tenth time.

DUMP winmo

What you may loose in cherished programs on winmo you'll more than make up in actual happiness when using your device.
[Desire General] xmfreak:
Mmm... the stock Omnia touchscreen is really bad, but with the Xperia I don't have that issue. Even with its 3" screen I can touch hyperlinks easily. The touchscreen is not going to make me decide for one or another because I think both will be good. I'm more interested about the possibilities of Android I mean if it will really be useful and worth the upgrading.
[Desire General] C:Sharp!:
I have used WM6.5 on the HD2 and Android 1.6 on the Samsung Galaxy.

All I can say is: Get the Desire.

Even on the ultra-slow Galaxy, the old Android 1.6 is a better experience than WM6.5 on the HD2.
[Desire General] gumpelstilzchen:
You can tether your 3G connection to your laptop via USB - that's included in the Desire software.

And I don't know phonex and g-alarm, but I think the Sense dialer and alarm are fine.

Cheers
[Desire General] Polarfuchs:
Can you tether with the Desire over Bluetooth and Wifi too?

Can't wait till the last week of April, when the Desire comes out in germany :D
[Desire General] C:Sharp!:
You can get it from expansys.de.

With PDANet it should work via Bluetooth.

With aNetShare it works over WiFi, but needs to be rooted.
[Desire General] dragon_soft:
I have always moved back to WM whenever I have tried another smarphone OS, but I think with the Desire (my first Android device) I will be sticking with it. Like it has been said many times before the Android OS is just so much easier to use, also the main advantage is the quality and range of apps available for the Android OS.

I have and will still continue to love and use my HD2. The screen on the HD2 may not have the contrast ratio or the brightness of the Desire but the HD2 has no match when it comes to the sharpness the size and readability (is that even a word!) of the HD2 screen. Overall I think it would be best to just try out both devices at a mobile phone shop and see which one you like. The development scnene on both platforms is quite hot at the moment but I think the Android OS will eventually end up with a much larger development scene than the WM OS.

I have taken a few photos comparing the devices HD2 & Desire:-

http://www.flickr.com/photos/42601709@N08/sets/72157623774124256/
[Desire General] C:Sharp!:
You have both? Cool... can you help me? Here's my question: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=657089
[Desire General] Ryukeima:
Great post dragon. I too was torn between the HD2 and the Desire. Wish I could have both haha.

For me, it came down to the fact that I do not particularly care for amoled screens. I love the sharpness and the size of the HD2. I love android far more than windows though. The HD2 does what I need it too and I can pretty much avoid windows all together by using resco's programs (photo/contact/file manager) and opera. Not to mention playing PS1 games on it is quite enjoyable :p

Android is much easier to use and I do believe it has far more promise than windows at this point. It is as close to having the app support of the iphone without being in naziist apple country. Both are absolutely great phones, but it really comes down to what you plan on doing with it. Personally, winmo won this generation of phones for me (barely, and probably the last victory) but I have no regrets. I am jealous of my nexus one/desire friends in some ways, and they are jealous of me in others.
[Desire General] xmfreak:
At last I've decided to go for Desire. I like better the HD2 design and of course its 4.3" screen but I think switching to Android it's going to be a wise decision. I've ever used WM but it's time to move on.
[Desire General] un1ucky:
this question itchs me once inawhile. i use to own a nexus one i loved the track ball, main reason i would like to switch to desire, is the games, ive compared games with my hd2 and the nexus one and android played all the game so smoothly and also with full sound...

my main question... if it comes to games? hd2? or desire?
[Desire General] Ryukeima:
Games = any android device. Of course, you could always hope for the off chance that android gets an efficient port on the HD2, then the HD2 would be the best phone ever, but don't base a decision off of hope. I do enjoy using fpsece to play ps1 games and there are plenty of those :p
[Desire General] un1ucky:
thanks for your reply, also waas hoping for hd2 to get wm7
[Desire General] Ryukeima:
That may also be a possibility, not officially, but unofficially. Xda developers are amazing :p but like I said, don't base your choices off of hopes. And I will correct my original statement to "if the HD2 got an android port, a W7S port, and ran windows mobile, then it would be the best device ever"
[Desire General] xmfreak:
If you want to use your phone to play, just get an HD2. I would do it because of fpsece.
[Desire General] NZtechfreak:
I've had an HD2 since first release last year, should have my Desire in a week or so. Will be keeping the HD2 for a while and voting the weakest link off the island...

Will post up my thoughts on the comparison at some point...
[Desire General] XDA mark:
I am still very sure I am going to sell my HD2 soon and get the Desire....

Overall, the HD2 is awesome. Weak points:

-It is big. I could live with a smaller sized 3.7 inch screen device.

-Windows Mobile can be hell sometimes.

-Again, Windows Mobile has a much darker future compared to Android OS. And I am looking for something I can use for a while...

-Windows Marketplace fails. Android Market owns.

-Adobe luvs Android these days.

I am sure there will be moments I will miss the 4.3 inch screen (Youtube & Browsing the net probably sometimes), but there will be so many good things the Desire offers above the HD2. For the record, I am one of these guys that enjoys 'using cabs for a black clock' or 'jailbreaking an iDevice', but flashing ROMs I never did. I also never got that playstation emulator (FPSce or something) to work.. I am a novice at these kind of things.

I want a good out of the box experience. The Desire does that very well.

Btw, if somehow I will get my Desire before selling my HD2, I am pretty sure I will make some photo's and vids :D
[Desire General] nordicfastware:
i don't think it is that much about wether Desire is better or not than HD2. It is all about what you do with your device.

Big screen of HD2 is really a matter of choice. I have had the Desire and hand, and it is smaller, but slightly thicker so it actually looks bigger in the pants pocket...not mentionning what happens when it is in a protection case.

From my side I do a lot of eBook reading, with latest TMOUS roms and HTC eReader app, that would be simply painful on the Desire screen, so my decision is clearly made.

Obvously for people that just call and do some google map from time to time, desire should be a better choice. But web browsing and Youtube etc.. reminded me of my Omnia I, where sometimes you need to use your nail to pinpoint a link... bad memories indeed.

I did experience ghost typing on the Desire when I tried it, and I solved this problem on my HD2 by using Swype (great app by the way). I suppose this will be possible on Desire as well.

Plus, yes WinMo is sometime painful (oh yeah) however allow more freedom for tweaking registry editing and etc..., but I have good hopes that Android will be soon ported, and then many imperfections (not all) shall be corrected in the soon available WP7s (at least i think it looks good).

HD2 is the only device, to date that managed to make owners of 3Gs sometimes jealous (flash camera 5Mp, large screen, thinner than 3Gs, mroe powerfull, extendable memory etc...).

And lets be clear, HD2 can do all adn more than what the newly buzzy Ipad:mad: does, and you also call with it :-)... Desire does not. And you can put both the desre and HD2 in your pocket, :)

So in definitive, HD2 and desire I think are similar but are not for the same use ultimatly, and I am sure I will not get an Ipad...:p
[Desire General] Batas:
Well, after seeing a desire... I still prefer my hd2, so I have to agree with nordicfastware.
[Desire General] cgrec92:
coming from a HD2 i have to say that the Desire is a mile better

i am not against WindowsMobile at all, but to a certain degree it's just a complete let down

never would i have believed that a phone would stall SO much by doing SO little with a 1ghz processor.

with the desire on the other hand, what you tell it to do, it does, and that's what i like, no delay, no wait, just works

you can actually feel the processor behind it.

not to mention that the amoled screen is much sharper and richer than the HD2, although the HD2 is much larger.

no ghost typing to be reported on the desire unlike the HD2 which was a nightmare to use, not to mention a messaging app which takes about 5 minutes to load 50 texts, @nordicfastware perhaps you had a faulty desire which gave you the ghost typing.

i also feel that the desire is much more heavily supported, with TV ads coming out for it now i feel that HTC is pushing this phone meaning more updates, unlike the HD2 which microsoft announced will not even be compatible for WM7, whilst on the other hand android 2.2 will be coming to the desire in a couple of months.

possibly i had a bad experience with my HD2 (although i had sent it off for repair and had it exchanged) which is making me biased towards the desire. don't get me wrong the HD2 is a beautiful and powerful phone, but sometimes you just need a phone that works and that's what the desire brings.

by far the best phone i have ever used.

EDIT: i forgot to mention that the Microsoft Market is an actual joke ;) so much cool stuff available on the android market and counting.
[Desire General] teflon-don:
I´ve got to make the decision in the next few weeks!

I´ve been reading around 50 threads and comparisons about these 2 flagships, but I sill have no idea what to buy :-(

I already owned the HD2 from November till January and it´s a hell of a smartphone. I´ve got a lot of apps and games, but problems too.

Freezing was the worst in my opinion, but also the quitting of programs or games without any permission etc.

Thats really bad if you´re playing football manager or stuff like that^^

Anyway my HD2 felt in a bathtub and now I got money from the insurence.

After reading all these posts I´ve got to say that Winmo does have a lot of functional and useful apps. OK, android might also have apps with the same function, but a lot of these apps were programed by nonames. I´ve searched the whole android market and there only a few apps from big retailers.

On my HD2 i´ve got SPB programs, TOMTOM and so on....Apps I didnt found on the android market.But OK, it´s still growing, so I ve seen that SPB are releasing their products on android now.:)

Another point is that the HD2 always needed 5 seconds to get normal after closing the opera browser, so in these 5 seconds you were not able to type anything or so scroll the homemenue bar...sometimes very frustrating.

So i don´t know what to do now. Buying the HD2 and hope for getting a cracked Android in the summer or try the Desire now.

I also heard that the oled screen isn´t so much better than the tft. ok, it´s way better in powermanagement but the only realistic colour you have is white...all colour excluding white are unrealistic or GRILLED:D

And using it outside is very hard when sun is shining.

Another thing is that the relation between the screensize and the total meassures is way better on the HD2. It´s only 5mm wider and 6mm higher and thinnes than the desire but has a 0,6 inch taller screen, so I think there´s no difference what of these two phones you´re carrying with you.

I´ll think about it^^
[Desire General] potter1984:
I have to agree with cgrec92, after selling my HD2 here in the market place, then getting the Desire on another contract :(, i can honestly say that this is a much better phone, yea the screen size is a little smaller but its a hell of a lot more stable and faster that my HD2 was.

Plus the fact i dont have to apply like 15,000 updates to get it running how it should of been sold to me, i mean i love hacking and modding all my devices but it was a bit too much with the HD2 plus it was such a chore even to type a text or email address. But now its a pleasure i can still mod nad hack my Desire and its so much better to have an app store that actually has more than 15 apps in it.

But then again its all down to personal prefrence, i mean the HD2 can play PS1 games, but even that limited, multi touch is terrible, you cant really play a game PROPERLY unless you have the bluetooth pad. But i decided to leave all the emulation on games to the main pc, as lets face it thats what its for...

I also find i am using my Desire more than my HD2 for the same tasks, email, facebook etc as its so much easier to hit the right links or buttons, even the browser on the Desire is better, quicker and to me more usable.

I am missing a few features of the HD2, big screen, ability to do what i like with the os, but then again i havent played with the android os since my early G1 days, so not too sure about what i can do with android atm, but will be getting back on the band waggon so to speak.

In my own personal experiance being a Techie individual (IT Engineer), i would recomend ANYONE to get the desire as i know they will be happy with the amount of apps, games and usability they will get from it. Plus its not such a brick to hold.... that bigger screen is noticable from about 3 miles away pmsl!!!,
[Desire General] potter1984:
If you like hacking, modding constantly fixing bugs from the manufacture get another HD2.

But if you like a Stable fast and equally good if not better phone get the Desire-- Im sooooooo glad i made the swap, not one thing has made me think, urh i wish i never got this phone now, not like the HD2 after a week.

And i did have custome ROM (OzROM 4.50) just because the sheer amount of problems the HD2 in general had. I still can't belive i had to flash, flash and re-flash just to have a usable phone :( well not anymore, Bring on the ANDROID!!!
[Desire General] teflon-don:
alright thats another good point..the smooth handling of the desire.

and yes i like hacking, but this is also possible on the android with some programs^^

Possibly i´m gonna get a desire for a haptic test and a quick walk through the android OS.
[Desire General] potter1984:
Like i said i havent used android since the G1 first came out, but alrealdy even after a few days i know that android is a better choice.

and the typing on the desire is comparable to the iphone 3gs its that GOOD :P
[Desire General] cgrec92:
well said i.m.o

everyone here who has actually had a HD2 and has ALSO had the desire says that the desire is a far better phone, me being one of them. how much does it take to convince you? if you want to get the HD2 then go ahead, but 99% of the people here recommend you not to.
[Desire General] teflon-don:
hehe, good point :-)

guess i have to visit the next mobile phone shop these days ^^
[Desire General] cgrec92:
just one more thing, if you are a frequent user of facebook or other social networking sites, the HD2 is terrible for this.

the app for WinMo is awful, please google this if you don't believe me

whereas the desire has all of this integrated, provides widgets for this (about 3 of them) and even apps for it, and a marketplace providing more alternatives to the apps there are for it! :)
[Desire General] potter1984:
totally agree about the Facebook point. it is painfully sh1t!

another plus for Android. :)

Sent from my HTC Desire using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Desire General] cgrec92:
lmao well said :D
[Desire General] nordicfastware:
WP7, will be compatible with HD2, simply not upgraded by manufacturer. So it will have to be custom ROM.

And I agree, windows market place is a real joke ! Let us hope that with WP7 and the support of Xbox Live will bring some interest to official apps on WP7... App store was essential to the success of the iPhone, that will be even more essential to the success of WP7s...
[Desire General] Gabriel R.:
Some other questions

Hi guys!

I´m from Brazil (sorry about my terrible english...) and I´ve been reading the entire discussion you´re having here and it´s great! It helps a lot of people!

(like me eg.)

My question is, can I sync outlook e-mails, tasks, etc with Android?

I was a WinMO user and I work with outlook in my company so I need a

device that I can just plug USB into my PC and get all the meetings, e-mails and so on I have during the week...

Android can do it for me?
[Desire General] LBTaylor1984:
I'll be dumping my HD2 next month for the Desire.

The screen is nice, but practically you can't hold and use it with one hand, so the smaller Desire is better in a way. and the Marketplace isn't worth having. Frankly i'm really disappointed, hate WMP7 already looks a mess I mean honestly menus over hanging on the opposite screen slide, very unprofessional. So i'm not waiting for that crap.

point being Android is getting a shift on and is going to be the nemesis of iPhone.
[Desire General] awtchan:
Keeping both, but....

Having been a WM user for years, I'm now using my Desire 80% of the time, being increasingly stuck with Android OS. That speaks for itself regarding who the winner is.

But I won't sell my HD2, and will keep it both as a spare phone as well as in recognition of its contribution to my productivity. To be honest, HD2 has had its glorious moment hardware-wise, and still is the BEST WM phone IMHO. There're still a few areas in which it still shines:

1. Painless sync with Microsoft outlook - Contacts, Notes, Inbox, Tasks;

2. Better 3G and phone perception in my locality c.f. Desire. HD2 still has 1-2 blocks of signals whereas Desire shows none;

3. Video playing of my converted DVD/Blue-ray movies on Coreplayer of my HD2 is more smooth compared to yxflash on Desire;

4. HDs breezes when browsing via HTTP proxy. Android 2.1 still sucks in that aspect (I'm longing for Froyo to come to the rescue)

Notwithstanding, I'm migrating away from WM to Android. But "my heart will go on" with HD2...