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[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
Well... I should have waited for a good Android phone instead of the HD2.

I'm not at all interested in the dumb iPhone copycat OS that WP7S is. Good UI, but other than that, they've just copied Apple's bad bad policies (out of envy, I think).

I'm not going to adjust myself to an OS that doesn't multitask, doesn't let me install the stuff I want because of Marketplace censorship, doesn't let me manage my files on my own etc.

With Android, like WM6.5, I can have an OS that simply does what I want it to do. I don't have to adjust myself. That's how it should be.

Thus, the only regret I have is that I've not waited for a good Android phone, because WM6.5 is doomed and now nobody will develop anymore for it, whereas the quantity AND quality of the applications on Android has now surpassed Windows Mobile, and the OS itself is almost there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I'm not sorry either... I change my phones every year - as flashy and useful and nice as they are, they don't last as long as $50 Nokia dumbphones did. :)

I use my HD2 very heavily and, apart from increased tear, this toy is much more important to me than a regular phone. As such, it absolutely needs to be the best toy around.

Also, the earlier I sell my phones, the more money I'll get.

I love it and enjoy using it for the most part, but by the end of the year I'm sure there will be devices available that I'll want more, and the love affair with HD2 will be pretty much a thing of the past.

Finally, even though I like what I see as regards to WP7, I'm not at all sure it will have the essential apps I need or that it will live up to the promise in its v.1 incarnation.

Android... I can't force myself to like either the OS or the phones carrying it. Yeah, they have multitasking and all, but I'm not buying a principle, I'm buying a phone.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
So Android buyers buy a principle?! Nonsense... they buy Android phones. Simple as that.

And of course, they buy them because they prefer them to other phones.

And of course, Android's features are reasons to prefer Android phones to other phones - and multitasking, for example, is one of them.

I don't like Google, I don't like Java... but if Google's OS is the only one to suit my needs, then I buy a Google phone. Because I'm not buying a principle (i.e. not Google or not Java), I am buying a phone (i.e. the phone that does what I need it to do).
[Windows Phone 7 General] jaume6:
why you close into Windows mobile? There are a lot of better SO like Android, or even Maemo (it's "sublime"), etc They are the future, the windows mobile are old-fashioned, and prehistoric. Give alternative mobile So a chance!! And alternative PC's SO too.

Don't be affraid with that, in fact, that's better
[Windows Phone 7 General] chalid:
There is only one problem: No Android phone with 4.3 inch (or similar) screensize is available or announced (except the dell "mini" 5 ... ;)). The HTC Desire looks nice, but compared to the hd2, the screen is just too small (can't change back to that size, after having the hd2). The SE X10 looks nice, but after having the X1 with non existing software support I really don't want any Sony Ericsson phones anymore.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
That's true, if you want 4.3", you are stuck with WM. But I'm fine with 3.7" also. I'm tempted to exchange my HD2 for a Motorola XT720. It's not quite as fast and has a smaller screen, but it also has a Xenon flash (I use my phone as camera a lot) and Motorola is pretty fast at delivering updates. But of course, it all depends on what you want.

It's a shame that the best hardware seems to be stuck with that doomed OS.

But I guess WM6.5 will do fine for people throughout 2010, until there is another phone to take the "best hardware" crown from the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
No, I didn't say that. I guess there are lots of reasons why people buy Android phones. Some do it because it's the current fad. Some several hundred thousand Verizon customers did it because they actually wanted an iPhone but it wasn't available, and VZW ads together with their salesepeople pushed it real hard as something even better. Some buy it because of features. Yet I personally know people who buy it because it's open-source/Linux/Google/whatever. Me, I just don't really see anything in it. I don't like the devices; the platform is a freaking zoo already - I'm puzzled when people talk about "Android features" - some phones have multitouch, some don't; some can sync with exchange, some don't; yet others sync everything except Calendar (WTF???); I'm sick and tired of relying on OEM software and drivers (or lack thereof); people here complain about lack of upgrade for HD2 - with Android you can easily get stuck with a version that won't be upgraded (or, even if it will be, there's no guarantee that all the features will work on your specific device). Google has no tradition of finishing things; they also have a tradition of leaving things unfinished and dumping their products. Heck, I'm not even sure Google will be in this business in a couple of years from now (this is not to say they are bad, they're just too disorganized and chaotic for me to feel comfortable with their products). Nobody really ever knows what's going to be released tomorrow, what it will or won't have, and so on. So yes, I kind of like some of the principles on which this OS is built, but they just don't add up to a set of compelling reasons for me to spend several hundred bucks.

I'm partially with you on multitasking, as a matter of fact. I see reasons to go away from the current WM model, but I definitely don't agree with the notion that only MS apps can run in background. That's a principle I certainly don't like. However, MS apps like the dialer, media player and the browser may be good enough for me to not look for alternatives, so the issue may not be as acute. That will still leave satnav - I certainly need to be able to quickly minimize the dialer and use the navigation while keeping the conversation going. But: as a matter of fact, nobody ever said that applications will be terminated, just paused, so you don't have to see cold start, satnav apps very quickly restore position even on the iPhone. What makes it a pain on the iPhone is that there's no easy way to switch to satnav during a call. And here comes the mandatory WP7 Back button. Moreover, technically it's possible to keep updating the position (the GPS driver can keep writing to the port even when the satnav app is paused), so I'm not at all certain that it will be such a big deal. What worries me much more than multitasking is lack of native APIs, but even then we're yet to see how bad it's going to be. So there are big question marks with regard to WP7, but what I know so far isn't enough for me to run to half-baked Android thingie with not-so-perfect devices.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
But that, again, is "buying a principle". I don't do that. I'm buying the phone that works best for me. One of the things I want is multitasking, so I'm buying a phone that multitasks (that's just an example - you can insert other features here, and of course, different people have different needs).

It's not about a principle, it's just about whether the phone does what I want it to do or not.

Also the fragmentation issue isn't really an issue for me, since I don't buy 10 phones with different versions - I buy one and before I buy it, I inform myself to find out whether it does everything I want.

(but of course, Google has to adress the issue, cause consumers typically are lazy and just buy something and THEN complain if it doesn't work)

And to be clear, I also don't think the current multitasking model on WM is good. It's OF COURSE better than no multitasking at all, but it really isn't good. There are better ways to do it. But what's sure is that it CAN be done. There's always a way to make something easy to use AND powerful. Removing features is nothing but lazyness, and it really shows that the OS is not ready if features have to be removed in order to make it work properly (or: it really shows that the UI is bad, if features have to be removed to make it easy to use).

We'll have to see what happens. How bad will the lack of multitasking be, how fast will developers come in and help MS catch up with iPhone's lots of quality apps etc.? We don't know the answers now.

But that is exactly why I'd like to have an Android device now. Because right now, it does everything I need and I can be sure that it will last at least until all the questions about WP7S are answered (which might be more than a year from now). Then, a year from now, when I've seen where WP7S and Android are going, I can again think about which one is best for me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I actually never said you did. :)

Well, what if I want a phone with well-working multitouch and full Exchange sync (also just examples of features)? Which one is that? It's quite tricky sometimes to find the right combination of things. And sometimes there are things I take for granted, so don't even expect them to be missing. Also, fragmentation is an issue that affects third-party applications. There are some 1300 apps in Marketplace, yet for any given phone I believe you won't see more than 300 or so. It also turns off developers (granted, it doesn't seem that way on Android, but the fragmentation issue is getting rapidly worse).

Exactly my point.

Lucky you then, you should definitely get an Android device.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
The HTC Desire, for example.

Tricky? It's pretty much impossible. At least when you add the hardware. Especially, if, like me, you want things like a Xenon flash...
[Windows Phone 7 General] mr_lindy:
:)

i'm not alowed to post a link... search on youtube => (Demos of various Flash video and game sites on HTC HD2 and Nexus One)

you never see him opening the browser ..... you just see the START screen (winmo 6.5), and then it's Internet Explorer with Pinch & Zoom and Flash 10.1, which one according to me is available only with Windows Phone 7 Series

hope it's clear to you
[Windows Phone 7 General] elyl:
According to you? And how would you know that?

It's common knowledge that Flash was developed for the HD2 on WM6.5, but Adobe have decided not to release it.

Unless you've seen WP7 running on the HD2, then you know what you're talking about as much as I do.
[Windows Phone 7 General] zappaff:
WP7 ui sucks and seem not efficient... So I'm still a proud owner of my HD2....
[Windows Phone 7 General] zephir365:
With all the bad things we know about WP7 (no BC, no multitasking, etc...) I'm sure we won't miss much from the HD2. Would be nice to get the option though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] domineus:
it does multi task

and i'm fairly sure bc will come over time or porting
[Windows Phone 7 General] mr_lindy:
wel thnx for being friendly.... i never said that i know something i just said what i assumed ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] scottconder:
I agree with you 100%. In fact, HD2 will more than likely be my last Windows Mobile device!
[Windows Phone 7 General] saints5354:
No Copy & Paste !!

I don't see a point upgrade my HD2 to WP7s tat do not have copy & paste function ... it must be crazy.
[Windows Phone 7 General] John_Vella:
Agreed. I am still happy enough with 6.5 though. It does everything I need.
[Windows Phone 7 General] eaglesteve:
For those of you like myself looking for a 4.3 inch screen, HTC supersonic running Android is on the way. I just hope that its technical problems with multitouch is sorted out though.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ronkra:
People working on porting Android say Supersonic is going to help bring it faster to the HD2. Just sayin...
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
By the time WP7 comes out, by 4th quater 2010 (fall/winter) timeframe, the HD2 will be old news. You show me a phone that is a over a year old (taking time frame of WP7 release time) and tell me it's the hottest phone out there. Take a look at the past, Hot phones a year ago are old news.

With that being said, I don't see the HD2 running WP7 unless it was hacked in by someone here.

If you picked up the HD2 expecting it to run WP7...sorry but, you should know this market better than that and your a little dumb. HTC has some balls to claim hardware will work with a OS that is not even finalized when they posted it.

If you got a box from HTC that says, fully WP7 upgradeable, then I smell a lawsuit and a big one.
[Windows Phone 7 General] mazzarin:
I strongly disagree with you DavidinCT. The QSD platform was a big evolutionary jump in mobile phone tech. Look at any roadmap. We won't see anything HD2-beating in terms of specs until Q2 2011 at the *earliest*. Plus, whatever does come out will likely not look nearly as sharp.

And 'phone over a year old' / 'hottest phone out there', not to drag out everyones favorite topic, but the iPhone chassis has stayed the same for 3 years and it has always looked pretty good until I put a HD2 next to it, which finally made me say 'wow, the iPhone looks dull and amateur now.'

AFAIK, the only two phones with all-glass front and metal backings (well, partial metal backings for one of them) are the iPhone and the HD2. There's a reason they look super nice.

Feel free to disagree with me but I request you quote my post in December and show me a phone that makes HD2 hardware old news. (Barring any iPhone 4G superphone ;))
[Windows Phone 7 General] Tanmay®:
If even after watching the MIX10 videos you say you see no point then you must be blind!

Did you even notice the main thing about WP7S was the quality Software focus and User Experience unlike the bull**** experience which current WM6.5 applications provide!

If by year end XDA doesn't manage to get WP7S on HD2 I'll just sell off this amazing device! Running WM6.x on it is like an insult to the great piece of hardware!
[Windows Phone 7 General] BillReed:
Oh yes it will run.

Latest by Cotulla:

Ctll CotullaCode: We (DFT team) at the end able to run WP7 on our LEOs, most of stuffs are really working: GSM,GPRS,Camera,GSensor,USB,SD,BT,WLAN,etc

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[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
You forgot to qoute the rest of his tweets where he says it doesnt include any live services - ie it will be pretty much useless...
[Windows Phone 7 General] JCBIOM:
Why does that render it useless?
[Windows Phone 7 General] amb9800:
No marketplace access (so no third-party apps), the People tab will have no access to social updates, etc.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheATHEiST:
Well not all of us are facefook teenie boppers so its not a big deal.

Plus when WP7 is jailbroken there will be plenty of alternatives to Marketplace and probably eventually a hack/workaround for live services.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kromosto:
what i will say is my opinion. no copy-paste, no bluetooth for sending files, no outlook synch, no file browser, no etc. etc. yes wp7 has and will have better quality software then wm6.5 but at least with 6.5 we got some experience with the features that wp7 doesnt have. actually dont get me wrong i like wp7 but i dont know if i can handle my work with wp7 as easy as wm6.5 and for fun and gaming i dont get why should i choose wp7 phone and not an iphone. i was hoping that wp7 will combine wm6.5 and ios es best parts and give us a real mobile os way much better then android but what i see is an os that is trying to be ios. yes it has better things then ios but not that much better to make a real difference.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
You're assuming way too much with this statement.

Any hack or workaround will be patched by Microsoft. There's a reason they wanted control of their OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Everything WP7 does, it does easier, better, and faster than WM 6.5.

WM 6.5 was heavily modded even by manufacturers, so what you got on a phone like an HD2 or Touch Pro 2, or even the Samsung phones was a completely defaced (or faced?) version of the OS.

Windows Mobile was crap. Time for it to die. People talking about the good old days of Windows Mobile are starting to sound like the people crying on Microsoft blogs about them dropping support for Windows XP in some of their products (Live Essentials, etc.). Let it go. It's not healthy :P

That being said I have had 1 WM PDA and 3 WM smartphones. The ease at which they sync'd with Windows, Office Mobile, and first class support for Windows Media formats was a huge + for it (give Windows' marketshare). Exchange ActiveSync is also much more widely deployed than RIM, and cheaper should a consumer want Enterprise-class messaging services.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
how are you going to hack it when its its built into the wp7 motherboard????
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
unfortunately, I'm realizing I will have to upgrade my desktop from xp to windows 7. I can't see my live contacts in hotmail, and I'm wondering if that is the reason why.

At least you can get 3 licenses of windows7 for 149.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kromosto:
yes as a wm6.5 user i know it is crap but wp7 cant do things a crap os can do. this is my problem. i dont like wm6.5 a little bit some add-ons like htc sense or cht , etc make it more usable but still dont like it, also i like wp7s new features its speed etc but for me it is not a mobile os it is a phone os as 6.5 is wm 7 is wp and i want a mobile os run in my phone not a phone os. at the end i am afraid i will run nand android on my hd2 as it is not enough but at least much more similar to what i want. i am afraid because i dont very much like android too.

at the end as i said i like wp7 but it disappoint me as i was expecting a wm style mobile os combined with iphone features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
Nope, that's not the reason for that, and I'm not completely sure I know what you're talking about. Messenger has a sort of quasi-merged contact list with Hotmail. Just cause you add someone to messenger doesn't mean you want it Syncing to your phone as basically a blank contact with just an email address, for example.

What's I'm referring to is the entire Windows Live Essentials Suite dropping support for XP in the latest version (Wave 4), and even in Wave 3, XP support was dropped for Windows Live Movie Maker.

A lot of their apps still support XP due to extended support, but once that's gone (and that's gonna be soon), they're gonna drop it just like any other client OS they released (i.e. Windows 2000). XP lasting this long is an anomoly created by Vista's release being pushed back quite a bit.

It's time to upgrade, anyways. I brought the Family Pack as well, but I still have 1 PC on XP that I use basically to hold files (never really use it).
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
WP7 isn't Windows Mobile. It has a completely different name. It's called WP7 because the versioning follows Windows' consumer versioning scheme. They use the same technology underneath, but that was modified heavily for Windows Phone 7 OS.

They aren't even comparable. I'm sure some manufacturer will release another WM 6.5 device soon enough so you people can have something new to rave about (probably another low-spec, bad performance QWERTY handset that looks like a Blackberry Curve, filled with bloatware).

If you truly liked Windows Mobile, then the best devices to get right now would be Symbian (on a Nokia smartphone).
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
I understand that, but you missed my problem.

I have about 140 contacts on my phone. If I go to hotmail it says I have zero contacts. If I go to live and look at the general info page it says I have 140 contacts but when I click on the contacts icon, it takes me to hotmail saying I have zero contacts.

All the contacts were imported from gmail, and made it onto the phone through hotmail, but I can't access them through hotmail. I am afraid to manually enter them and end up with duplicates....

Waiting on microsoft support to respond to my inquiry.

Anyways, I wanted to use live essentials so I figured it was time to update. I have a laptop on vista so I figure I might as well do them both at the same time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] N8ter:
I imported my contacts from Google last night (had to create a new Google account cause of the Voice crap) and they imported fine. Can see all of my contacts in Hotmail. I just checked, and they sync over via ActiveSync.
[Windows Phone 7 General] kromosto:
OK so you agree with me that is what i am saying. We dont have a new mobile os as wp7 is a phone os and ms stoped improving wm6.5. You make fun of me by saying low spec wm6.5 device or symbian nokia but this doesnt change this fact. So all we yes we got as a real mobile os left is Android or mameo (i dont know if nokia continue on this). As people who needs or wants a mobile os has to go with one of these. On the other hand if we look at WP7 we see that it is clearly not a an alternative to mobile os market it also not a good alternative to iOS of iphone too. As i said WP7 has features that is better then iphone but not enough to make a real difference. And with all the apps and accessories iphone got WP7 cant steal customers from iOS. So MS and its new OS WP7 is still looking for us to buy it but they also loose some of us (i know i am not the only one thinking like this) to android or to other oses.
[Windows Phone 7 General] emigrating:
That would be fine if it only affected the Facebook integration, but it affects all Live services - i.e. Marketplace (more on this below), Skydrive, Zune, Photo sharing etc etc etc. Basically anything the phone does (apart from making phonecalls) are affected in one way or another.

If you truly believe the OS will be usable without Live service integration, here's an idea; Get yourself a WP7 device but do not enter a Live ID (at all) and see how much you like it. If, after a week, you have not changed your mind you really do not need a smart/feature -phone - any old brick will do just fine.

As for marketplace alternatives, you really think [most] developers will support a third-party "marketplace" that allows you to side-load apps? I don't. Sure, you will have the die hard fanatics releasing their open-source apps here on XDA, but the majority of devs will use the official marketplace where they [have a chance to] make money. Of course, there's always the possibility of bypassing the licensing structure of apps on the official marketplace, but that boils down to outright theft; i.e. something Microsoft will be forced to take action against.
[Windows Phone 7 General] nrfitchett4:
thanks for looking into it. I don't know what is up with my acct when it comes to that.
[Windows Phone 7 General] TheATHEiST:
I was replying to somebody who was referring to the "social" features, not general.

ALL the features you mention can be replaced by alternatives.

For example take android "applanet" app, which I use now majority of time instead of the official Market.

Just because you dont/cant use these features doesn't mean you want/need a dumb phone. Ive gotten along fine for years without them been integrated.

Once jailbroken we can install our own apps and not have to be restricted to using marketplace.