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[Windows Phone 7 General] joeearl13:
No More 'Pocket PC' - Just a plain phone

I originally purchased Windows Mobile devices because I wanted a Pocket PC - something that let me manage emails, write documents, run apps, and if needed connect a keyboard/mouse/etc.

I wanted Windows Mobile 7 to extend on this - to make it so no matter if I used my phone, laptop or desktop (or whatever other device) I could manage all my files/documents and also have apps shared between them. A kind of 'take the Windows experience anywhere on any device' kind of thing. (At the moment there is a huge gap in quality between Windows Vista/7 and WM6.x)

Sadly it now seems Microsoft have 'dumbed down' the OS so it is now just a phone (although in general phones have got much smarter).

Also with all the app restrictions and media center UI (which I don't think is optimized for a phone very well, huge text half cut off) I think Google will be getting my next $
[Windows Phone 7 General] CommanderThor:
The poll doesnt have the option:

i already went for android, but when WM 7 will come out i will maybe go for it depending on reviews

:)

Rly why go buy WM 6.5 phone right now. Go Android in time WM 7 gets a decent updated version released you can easily go WM 7 from android.

Thats why i got Droid, but the next phone i will look anew, i am not a supporter of any OS, i buy what i like at the moment. Went like this: Nokia E90-Xperia X1-Droid :)

Maybe i will just buy a WM 7 just for fun i like new OSes :)

And as for Android 2.0 vs WM 6.5 goes. The OS itself is not better one or another, well depends on opinios. The thing is basicly almost all applications for WM 6.5 are just inferior to those of Android, probably couse of old API.

So doing RDP, MSN for example is much better on android client. WM client for these 2 things keep disconecting and have inferiour input.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vincentgdg:
Probably Android

When I bought my first WM phone HTC Touch HD it was like easter and xmas together. :-) But then I found out that WM is really bad organised and supported regarding good apps. I became very jealous looking at Iphone and Android. And then I heard that HTC would release a new phone just some months later (HTC HD2) with no option to upgrade my phone because it is "too old"! Thanks HTC for kicking your customers in the butt.

Lately I flashed my HD to WM 6.5 and HTC Sense, and it works perfectly. HTC just does not care for their customers.

Therefore I guess I will switch to Android - or if the wonder happens and Apple brings out a phone with multitasking, good hardware, a home screen and fewer restrictions I even might change to Iphone - because I love the apps.

Or something completely different: I will buy a cheap standard phone and a Tablet PC like OpenTablet7 and connect them via USB or BT.

Regards

Thomas
[Windows Phone 7 General] donniesd:
I just said good buy to my TP2. Picked up a Nexus One. Windows mobile is not going anywhere positive. Only thing new is comisitic changes with roms. Sad to say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I've installed android on my TP2 to mess around with and taking away the lag and bugs because I know that's just because andriod isn't made for my device. I really just am not the interested in it. It just seems stale to me. I love how integrated WP7 looks so far and I can't wait to upgrade to a WP7 device as soon as one hits the market for TMO-US. Although I'm disappointed that they will be locking the entire device and filesystem down, I'm confident that we can crack it and beable to install the software we want on it. It's kind of hyprocritical of me because one thing I always say I like about windows mobile over iphone is that I don't have to jailbreak it to put what I want on it. Now I guess me argument is I just like the UI 10x more xD
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
I've played with my wife's iPhone quite a lot recently (she seems to get lost in the "intuitive" iTunes all the time, maybe she needs her intuition replaced by Apple or something). And I realized something quite unexpected for me.

The thing is, I don't mind the lockdown really as much as I think I do. No, I still don't like the iPhone, but that is due to outright stupidities of the iPhone/iTunes "ecosystem" which just doesn't work for me. I would probably live without access to the file system if they gave me access to just Documents, for example. I mean, how stupid it is that the only freaking way I can look at a presentation is to send myself an email? Which disappears after a while! Or that I can only "sync" photos, and then from just one computer? Why in the world can't I add photos arbitrarily from different sources? My wife went on vacation and asked me to help here copy a couple of videos on her "easy and intuitive" device - I spent like 1.5 hours trying to figure out how that works! The stupid iTunes just refused to import the file without throwing any errors or anything. It just didn't show up in the list. As it turned out later, it was because the codec was unsupported, but why the hell not tell me about it??? This in addition to the fact that there are four(!) different places where one could expect to find the importing function, and only one of them works! And then, the UI as a whole is complete mess. When you want to connect your iPhone with iTunes on a new computer, unless you right click (!!!! it's Apple we're talking here !!!) on the name of your iPhone in the left-side list and choose "Transfer purchases" there from the context menu, you will lose all installed applications and all app data the very instant you choose to "Sync" apps! How idiotic is that? Why not put such an important function right there on the Apps screen? And what about these leftovers from the music player everywhere? They call app vendors "Artists", and programs have attributes like "Genres" and "Albums" - talk about consistent well thought-through UI concept! And boy has someone told them that there's MSDN - they really (I mean really) need to read a couple of things about using threads - the whole thing hangs all the time when it tries to do things like accessing data on a network.

It's just all made for a silly stereotypical blonde who has one MacBook and one iPhone and doesn't ever try things she wasn't tought how to do. If you make a small sideways step from that pattern you're screwed. And it's exactly this stuff, the way things are done everywhere, that is annoying, not the fact that it's locked down per se.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
That was exactly my feeling after i got an iPhone. But after a while, it got truly annoying.

I never want a locked down OS like this again.

But that's exactly what the lockdown is about! See, you DO mind it. And if you used it for a little longer, it would get much more annoying.

And the problem is, the exact same annoyances might be present in WP7, cause it's likely just as locked down as iPhone OS.

(I still hope it's not, but it's pretty much confirmed to be. No file system access etc. - just like iPhone OS)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Well what he was saying to begin with he doesn't mind the lock down long as he can still view items like that. With microsoft office built on the device it's obvious Microsoft will allow you to see documets stored on the phone. They will probably just have one place they can be saved to and one place the cen be viewed from but you won't notice this because you save it and open it without it ever asking you where. I think the way they lock the system is going to be different from what apple does I just hope its not overboard.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
Sure, but there will be other annoyances.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Exactly. And with photos, while I would still prefer to just copy things over (which will probably still be possible because WP7 devices aren't forbidden from using storage cards), I could still live with "syncing" them on the iPhone as long as they at least provide an opportunity to just drag the thing to the sync app. They do it for music (in a poor way, but still), but not for photos, and so on. These inconsistencies and quirks are actually what's limiting my experience much more than the concept of a locked-down system itself.
[Windows Phone 7 General] joex51:
Sprint has Windows Phones, and will probably have WM7 when it first comes out.

I think in the final release, WM7 won't be as locked down as people think.

The ability to customize WM is why most people have it!

They don't want to be told by Apple here is the only 150,000 apps that you can install, when 149,900 of them suck!!

Android to me is still too new for me to jump on the bandwagon just yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
As with any device on the planet. I'm not saying it will be all roses, but let's wait and see. Why are we all sitting here and trying to imagine the worst outcome? If it will be bad well, we'll deal with it later, by moving to a different platform, staying on 6.5, or jailbreaking WP7. But maybe it won't.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
But MUCH less if it's open. For example, I have almost no complaints about Android. It's getting better and better and there's not much left to be desired.

A locked down platform will ALWAYS leave things to be desired - in other words: annoyances.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
Every indication from MS so far has been that they are looking to control the experience for WP7. And I need another control freak in my life like a need hole in my head. I control my computing experience just fine thank you.

I love my TP2, and probably won't be turning it in for a long time, but when I do, my current favorite to replace it is something Android flavored. WinMo held a substantial library quality and depth advantage over android when I bought my TP2, but I doubt that will be the case come upgrade time.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thangkls:
I miss WIndows 7 Photon - not Windows Phone 7 :(

Like Longhorn - not Vista :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] mr_lindy:
if there comes an update for IE and FlashPlayer , Facebook app ,and MSN Messenger ( Landscape ) i don't think that i'll leave 6.5 and my HD2 out of my sight
[Windows Phone 7 General] ArtieQ:
If I thought W7 would look like this on the phones too I would switch for sure, but now I've seen the real interface and I can't say I'm impressed..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=530269
[Windows Phone 7 General] thekidd21:
It's over

I have been a Micorsoft pda/phone user for a long time. Too long apparantly.

Casio E-105, Casio E-110, Casio E-125, Ipaq 3950, Ipaq 1910, Ipaq rx4700, HTC x7501, and finally a HTC touch pro 2.

I have officially had enough. I have seen this product line at its peak and now I curse iphone commercials, not becuase the products I see are bad but because my phone platform does not have this kind of development effort behind it.

I have it in my means to get not one, but two, free HTC HD2's on the very day they are released and I have decided I will not.

For me it comes down to usability, Microsoft, for whatever reason, has been making it harder and harder for mobile development and it shows in the marketplace with the lack of choices Microsoft users have, compared to other mobile platforms, which coincidentally have extremely low start up cost for developement.

This Windows 7 incompatability is just one more bold move in that direction.

If people want a mobile phone with no development behind it they will buy a Nokia. Personally when I get a phone I want to use it, not surf the internet high and low for applications only to continually land back at xda developers because this is the single last bastion of developement for this platform.

I bid thee farewell.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidinCT:
I was going to grab a new phone in the spring time frame and I have been out of a contract for a little while now (VZW and a XV6800) but, I am just going to hold tight till WP7 phones start to come out. I know VZW will not have anything near the specs of WP7 phones any time soon, so it's time to wait.

If At&T has a really kick a$$ phone that VZW does not have anything near, I might even change carriers... but, around the WP7 release schedule..
[Windows Phone 7 General] ENERQI:
Confused.

I am confused because for MS to get with the game they have to change development strategies to a more powerful modern easy to use one. This breaks compatibility with old apps, but opens up a new world to developers. Most devs who did WM will not have a hard time switching, from what I hear VS is quite easy but robust and universal.

A lot of people are upset that MS has taken this turn towards the consumer, but WM would not survive anyways, there is not enough support. WM would die a slow death if not for WP7. Now I hope that WM proper can use some of WP7, IMO, inevitable cash to keep going for a while, maybe even beyond the Photon vision to version 6.9.9.9... Or, even better yet, what if MS just opened it up so that it could grow indefinitely but still make some cash through the marketplace, eh eh?
[Windows Phone 7 General] slight22:
Win 7, iphone or android, thanks i'll go with the one that can integrate itself into my PCs and network.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
That's WP7 for you, then.
[Windows Phone 7 General] aceo07:
Where is the option for 'wait and see'?

WP7 isn't even out yet. With what has been shown to work on WP7, there is no reason for me to want WP7 right now. Unless I did lots of facebook, twitter, and always wanted to bing search pizza and sushi, and never made any phone calls.

Of course it's still a 'working prototype', so let's just wait and see. Maybe it'll impress me after it comes out.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Musicman247:
Have to go with WP7. Xbox and Zune integration, 3d gaming, Silverlight and XNA developing? None of this will ever be found on a WM 6.x phone, and having Microsoft finally merging all of their platforms into a mobile device is just too good to pass up.
[Windows Phone 7 General] XDA mark:
Desire. Nuff said.

If you just bought your HD2 IMO you should sell it (unless you really love Windows Mobile and nothing else). You can still get some good money out of it, enough to make the switch to Android. Why Android?

Because it is just the BOM right now. Though I am not talking about 'being' cool:

-Adobe is putting their focus on Android devices, aka Flash in browser. This is ONE of the many people/company's that is focusing/going to focus on Android

-Android Market is growing and growing

-Android is getting many and fast updates

-IMO, Android is much smoother overall than Windows Mobile.

This situation is for the recent HD2 owners. If you have a Touch HD or TouchPro2, and your contract is done end of this year, you could easily wait for a 7 Series device. It is looking really good IMO, because of the big hype surrounding it. This means many developers for 7 Series, means many apps.

Btw out of curiosity, if Apple does win in some way from Google and they have to make changes to their Android OS.. though I do not think it will happen.. this won't effect European user right? Because that silly patent system is only in the US? ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Flash in browser exists in current WM as well, so that's hardly such a benefit. Android Market is growing, true, but I personally am completely happy with what I have, what use is there in tens of thousands of programs I don't need? Updates are fast in making the platform an even worse mess than it is now in terms of fragmentation. You hardly ever know what you're buying anymore - some devices support multitouch, others don't, yet others have crappy multitouch; Exchange support is vastly inconsistent among various phones, etc. So it's not as black and white really.

I don't think it'll have any immediate effect, and it's going to be a lengthy process most probably. It adds value to Microsoft's offerings though, right as we speak, because all of a sudden Microsoft's licensing fees start to make a whole lot of sense for OEMs.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
He meant a full implementation of FlashPlayer 10.1 - that certainly doesn't exist for WM (and now never will).
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Ah, that. Does anyone apart from Adobe care though?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
Me. :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Having intergration such as Xbox Live and achievments I think is really going to help push WP7 right out the doors. It's a huge community and who wouldn't want to continue there Xbox experience while on the go? I think WP7 is going to be the equivalent of a Xbox Portable, Zune HD, and Smart Phone. This is going to take off as long as they market it right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Pluto:
without too much words i say

Windows Phone 7 is the most AWESOME O.S I'VE EVER SEEN !
[Windows Phone 7 General] XDA mark:
Like the other guy said: FULL flash. Not that Flash Lite v3 or how it is called... You know how good it would be if I could just go on a website, click on a review/unboxing/tip/whatever movie and watch it? Now I see just white, and I have to either turn on YouTube and search, or use Opera Browser 10 beta and get a tiny youtube player with crappy sound. And for many reasons, flash is awesome.

I do see benefit of a big Market. It is better that a empty marketplace like we have now... On my iPod touch I had like 200 apps. And no, you do not use them all everyday, but they are often usefull.

I am concerned about the fragmentation yes. But hey, IMO it is good to keep getting an improved OS. As long as you just SEARCH for the good device, so just look up if a specific device has multitouch or not, etc, you will be fine.

Exchange support means nothing to me. As long as I can just check hotmail account I am happy..
[Windows Phone 7 General] Dirk:
I'm sure it's all been said before but i like the idea behind 7, just not the execution. If it works as advertised it will could potentially have mass appeal but we should never forget that the general public usually likes form over function.

I have no doubt that Microsoft can pull off the 'Function' but from what i've seen so far they are lacking the 'Form'. It'll be interesting to see how 7 develops in a visual sense as i don't see it being popular in it's current incarnation.

From a personal preference perspective i will stick with 6.5.x as long as i can. It is getting better with each build and i would miss the customisability (is that even a word?) of a tried and tested platform that i am used to.
[Windows Phone 7 General] thekidd21:
ARgghhhhhhh

:confused:

I cannot make up my mind!

2 days ago I swore I would not get an HD2, but on March 24th T-Mobile USA will be releasing the HD2. I keep seeing the news, the features, etc.

And it is all making me want one. But I don't want one. :mad:

:eek:
[Windows Phone 7 General] facusse:
For now I'm sticking to my HD2
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Just don't look at it! Close your eyes whenever you see an HD2. We can start a support group. "Waiting for WP7, but the HD2 is smexy"
[Windows Phone 7 General] Docwiz:
Android is just purely hype driven because it is free as in beer and free as in open source. That is all.

It is not a unified platform, it does not learn from the Windows Mobile Classic.

It already has malware. Most of the apps are crap and basic because it has no unified hardware and development platform.

In order to be successful, someone needs to take the OS and lock it down. These are phones guys and phones need a strict environment.

I know you kids have been playing cowboy coder using Windows Mobile Classic for too long, but malware, viruses, and just "phone bluescreens" basically make the platform unusable for anything serious.

Android apps are horrible. As I said in another post I went looking for the top 10 on the Internet from many sources because I wanted to see what the hype was all about and it's just hype with very little substance.

The hype is because it's free as in price and also you can do anything with it (the later just like windows mobile classic which has been doing that since the year 2000 and we see where this has ended up on poor performance).

Don't fall for the hype in the moment. Realise that this phone is going to go places and is going to have a future because of the quality of software on the phone as well as the tight phone requirements and Xbox Live, Zune, and facebook intergration.

Instead of having a billion simple Windows 3.0 applications that look like they were designed from that time period and that have hello world on the screen and allow me to play snake, I want a smaller amount of applications that actually can be high quality. The GPU on Windows 7 phone is quite amazing compared to the crap that Android can produce.

I can understand the iphone hype, I really can. But the Android hype is just silly. Flash is also going to be available on Windows phone 7.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
A locked down OS is for stupid people :(

Android is good. Does more than stupid iPhone. And works. Nothing to complain, Android is good that's why there is hype because intelligent people don't want a locked down iPhone. They can use a better OS = Android.
[Windows Phone 7 General] XDA mark:
I am still searching around to find out what the quality of apps is on the Android Market, I myself also am aware that this Android hype is a bit to much.

But I have found several people on YouTube posting things like '50 good games for the Droid in 10 minuts'. And those apps did look fine.

I do not want to go to the iPhone, because from experience I know it is just not what I want. My homescreen must not be x pages of apps. The Android homescreen + Sense is perfect IMO, it provides many possible things like 'widgets', apps, folders etc. Live wallpapers also make it all look.. well, more alive.

You do make a good point, it looks like the apps on 7 Series are really going to be great. I guess on Monday we get an answer from MIX10.. if the HD2 does get 7 Series, I am happy. If not, I get myself an HTC Desire. Either way, I am happy.

But not HD2 + Windows Mobile Classic or what it is going to be called.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
thats crazy i didnt know android has malware...i searched & it seems you can get it from stuff from the marketplace & they had 1 that stole your banking info:eek: wtf i never thought about going android, but that just made it official
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
http://www.sophos.com/blogs/gc/g/2010/01/11/banking-malware-android-marketplace/. Yawn. :rolleyes: There's nothing that that app did that isn't possible to do with a Windows Mobile application. The App pretended to be an official banking application when in fact it wasn't. It wasn't a virus or worm, it was a standard run of the mill program whose only trick was claiming to be from your bank. It was removed from the marketplace.

Are you going to stop using the internet because some sites claim to be banks that they aren't?
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
the thing is it wouldn't show up on the wm marketplace, but it did show up on android's i shouldnt have to worry about something i install from the app store..if its something i find on some warez site then sure its on me but i want to know that if its in the store that its safe
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
I'd rather have use a tiny amount of common sense (and think Gee, does an app from someone named "09Droid" really represent my bank?) than have zero say about Apple or Microsoft excluding applications I want because they don't like competition from someone whose program I want.

If you have no common sense, there's nothing wrong with you hiring a potential dictator to exercise common sense for you. But you're not concerned with malware -- this program cannot harm your device and it cannot access information you don't give it -- you're concerned with common sense.