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[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I understand that there are customisation options that Sense doesn't have but what exactly do they give you in terms of day-to-day usablilty?

I'm not criticizing your preference, I'm just interested as I find the simplicity of Sense to be deceptive as in terms of raw USABILITY it offers just as quick access to core functions as SPB but also FEELS nice. Many of the functions of SPB seem a little too showy and slightly pointless - like the spinning cylinder thing - and there is no way to remove the icons that lead to them. Maybe I should try SPB again but...Hmm well it just seems a little out of date, and I'm not keen on those Androidy cartoon icons that Mskip offers

Looking forward to V5 coming out though, I'm sure it'll be worth the wait.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
True, but the idiotic cylinder is the only idiotic feature you can't disable in SPB.

For me, Mskip is nothing about cartoonish icons, rather it gives me the ability to get rid of the lower bottom bar which originally links to things I don't need. Also, it gives me to use invisible icons, which I use on top of widgets to gain extra functionality.

In terms of day to day usability, well, let's take the main screen. In SENSE, a huge part of it is taken by a useless clock, you also can't watch more than 1 appointment (and even with the recent extension to watch more, you still need to slide your finder to see more than 1), you also can't see your tasks at all. In my main screen I have a preview of several appointments and tasks with very functional widgets. I've customized it using an invisible icon so that clicking on the appointments widget takes me directly to Thumbcall's "make new appointment" link, and the same for tasks. I also get mail/sms/missed phone call/voicemail notification on the main screen using widgets.

After some tweaking, SPB Shell 3.5 feels like a glove on your hand, yet with the SENSE UI I never get this feeling, it's more cumbersome and things aren't exactly where I want them to be. Also, I hate the stupid swipe in order to switch between tabs, it's slow and inaccurate.

Please don't, V5 offers nothing above V3.5, apart from some nice 3D effects. It really should have gotten a V3.6 mark (But "5" is simply stupid).
[HD2 General] Ruukasu:
The reason they skipped ahead to 5 is something to do with the number "4" being unlucky in eastern countries, or so I've read.

I got pulled in and paid for 3.5 after seeing seeing some HTC HD2 devices on youtube with different themes using its shell. But I am eagerly awaiting SPB MS 5 myself as I am a sucker for eyecandy with the ability to have as much custimization as possible a big plus in my eyes. It's a matter of taste.

All this aside I've been trying numerous 6.5.x roms and I have yet to find one that does not have some glitch somewhere or work seamlessly with SPB 3.5.

So again, if anyone out there is using a cooked rom that is 6.5.3 onwards with SPB 3.5 with little trouble, I'd be greatful to know which one. :)
[HD2 General] tonycosta:
i have used spb 3.5 withe the miri xtra light roms. currently on 5.1 but will be flashing 5.2 tonight. only one from the range i have had issues wih is 5.1. hope that
[HD2 General] Noam23:
I'm using Leo Lite V2.5 ROM with SPB Shell 3.5 and have no problems...

What problems are you talking about ?
[HD2 General] vrgolin:
Spb 3.5 problems resolved

HI , I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM ON MY HTC HD2 A FEW DAYS AGO ND I RESOLVE WITH THIS PROGRAM (PocketShield_Setup) IS A LOCK AND UNLOCK APP. AND U CAN CHOSE MANY FUCTION ON HOW TO LOCK OR UNLOCK UR DIVICE AND ONE OF THOSE FUNCTIONS GIVES U THE OPORTUNITY TO EVERY TIME THAT U UNLOCK YOUR HD2 WILL TAKE U BACK TO THE ORIGINAL HTC SENSE SCREEN WITH ALL THE SETTINGS WORKING AND BACK TO UR MB 3.5 IF UR WANT WITHOUT A PROBLEM.

I HOPE THIS HELP U AND SORRY FOR MY INGLISH
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
Hello I frequent the boards...actually on a daily basis. I dont post a lot as you can see...mainly because the posts are usually thoroughly explained and I usually dont have a lot of problems that I cant already find the answers to.

I want to thank everyone who contributes to the board. I currently have the HTC hero and I have installed all but 1 of the current available roms, I had the Touch Pro before and the Touch prior to that. I have uses custom roms for all so a huge thanks to all the devs.

My reason for posting is I want to learn how to develop myself eventually but for now I have a specific question about getting the most out of my rooted HTC hero. Darchstar posted this:

adb shell remount

adb push e2fsck /system/bin

adb shell

cd /system/bin

chmod a+x e2fsck

a2sd

reboot

Its to enable apps2sd. I want to get a little help of understanding how to apply it. I rooted my phone so I did a lot of edits in cmd promt...but for me it was just a matter of following instructions I want to learn what I am actually doing and how to fully take advantage of rooting my phone. I dont use terminal emulator or SU really for anything because I dont understand how to use them or even the full extent of what they can do. I know theres a wiki...but I really dont know what to search. As of now I have been having devs do everything for me to an extent. I use a kitchen which is pretty much automated and I have just been following instructions on the board.

I am pretty good with computers, i build them and fix them all the time for people...and with phones also. Im a tech in a cellphone store so you can gather I am a tinkerer. I am not looking to be told how to do things and just follow the instructions I want to know what I am doing, even though here I have never been steered wrong. I want to be educated.

I know this post is long winded and I would like to thank everyone in advance for any help offered.
[Hero CDMA General] illogic6:
The best way to learn about this stuff is to bite the bullet and install a Linux distro on your computer. I've also took up teaching myself to code Java in my spare time which will help you understand Android a lot better.

Also: You need an EXT partition on your SD to enable apps2sd. Is that what you're asking?
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
Thanks. I do have an ext partition on my card and it I am currently using it with gumbo 1.5c bare. I was just thinking about installing 2.1 and before I did I wanted to make sure I could enable app2sd. I was just using it as an example. I just want to learn in general. Is linus distro a version of the os I would dual boot with or does it emulate in windows? Also how did you just start java? A google search and article research, book or are you in school?
[Hero CDMA General] Is_907:
Basically these commands are installing the e2fsck, a program that formats a partition in the ext2 file system, so that apps2sd can run.

Here is a breakdown:

adb shell remount --remount the file system of your phone so you can write a file to it

adb push e2fsck /system/bin --copy the file/program e2fsck to the directory /system/bin on the phone

adb shell --switch from your computer's shell (cmd) to control the shell environment of the phone

cd /system/bin --change directory to work in /system/bin

chmod a+x e2fsck --change the permissions of e2fsck so that you can actually execute (run) it

a2sd --run apps2sd (a2sd) so that it can set itself up (it will call on e2fsck)

reboot --reboot the phone.

Hope that's what you were looking for.
[Hero CDMA General] Is_907:
(Sorry for double posting, folks... timing...)

I would highly recommend that you dual boot or install Linux on a spare computer until you are comfortable with it. If you want, you could run VirtualBox to emulate another system (VM) and install Linux there.
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
for the adb shell remount part when i hook the phone up to the computer w debugging on when I run a command prompt how do I get to the adb in the first place. I am not familiar with that to begin with. I know I had to edit it when I rooted my phone...but like I said I really didnt understand what I was doing it was just a matter of following instructions. Thank you for the detailed description of whats going on...thats where I want to be where I can just see that and decipher it.
[Hero CDMA General] 5tr4t4:
Install Ubuntu Linux dual-boot, or short of that install VirtualBox or VMWare with Ubuntu running as a VM. You might also look at Wubi, a way to install Linux within Windows. I've never used it but it looks interesting.

Also, as with darch's post you mention, I'm no dev, learning as I go, but I use my Unix/Linux terminal chops MUCH more than java. Learn java if you want to write apps but if you want to help hack on ROM's, learn to use the shell. Android is Linux, after all.

As with anything, the best way to learn is to dive in.
[Hero CDMA General] thematrixkid17:
adb is a utility that is in the tools folder of the android sdk, which you probably already have somewhere, because it is used to root the phone. Then you'll open up a command prompt, and navigate to the tools folder of the sdk. You'll 'navigate' using the 'cd' command. Once you're navigated the command prompt to the tools folder, you can run the adb program that is in it.

Edit: in general, it can be really helpful to know both DOS and UNIX commands, even if it's just the basic ones pertaining to copying, deleting, moving, renaming, etc. Here are two good cheat sheets: http://www.computerhope.com/overview.htm http://www.computerhope.com/unix/overview.htm
[Hero CDMA General] Is_907:
Yeah, just go Start > Run > cmd (or if you're on Vista/Win7 do Start > cmd > Enter)

I do this once I have cmd running:

cd D:\Downloads\android-sdk-windows\tools

D:

adb devices

adb remount
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
Thanks very good stuff. I will check it out.

Thanks to everyone who posted so far I can see I will be up late tonight LOL.
[Hero CDMA General] kmartburrito:
To expand on what illogic6 said about installing a distro on your computer, if you're just learning, it's not totally necessary to do that!

If you're a nerd like me, then you've got an old PC lying around that you can cannibalize for an Ubuntu box (a GREAT first distro to try!) btw, I think I have about 5 extra pcs laying around, which makes me an uber nerd, surely outdone though by others on this board.

However, if you DON'T have an extra pc lying around, no need to fret or worry about Dual Booting. While those are the most optimal, you can certainly try some live CD/DVDs which will boot from optical media, and not harm your existing install of your OS that's currently on the PC you're trying it on.

I did that a lot before I got into having a main Linux box at home. I tried Ubuntu (still one of my faves) Knoppix, Mandriva, Mint, and some others. I was really big at the time in getting Compiz fusion and Beryl to run (basically a badass window manager with 3d effects similar to Mac but with some cool extras.) Getting into that came with a huge price...LOTS and LOTS of command line work. It forced me to learn a lot about the Command line. And now, I feel completely comfortable doing those commands that folks share. It's essentially understanding the command line. Immerse yourself, and you'll learn a ton!!

Btw, to try ubuntu, just download the install CD. Now they offer as part of the start up menu the live cd option. It will say something to the effect of "Try Ubuntu without changing your computer's configuration" or something like that.

As always, if you have any questions or want me to clarify anything, feel free to respond to this or PM me, I'd be happy to steer you in the right direction!
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
Thanks I just downloaded wubi...any thoughts on that. I havent installed it yet. But it seems harmless based on the faq.
[Hero CDMA General] kniteshift:
You make Linux sound so bad, lol.

edit:

From the description, Wubi seems safe, but personally, I think playing with a shell to familiarize yourself with Command lines in terminal is jsut as good as a learning experience.

I, also, don't know how Wubi would be since it seems to run on Windows as an application. I'm not sure it'll provide such the necessary environment or tools that Linux has.
[Hero CDMA General] mrinehart93:
WUBI is a great way to get started with Linux. First, it WILL NOT damage any of your data, so it is 100% safe. Basically what is does is install Ubuntu Linux to a file, and then the file is added to the Windows bootloader. Now when you boot the Ubuntu Linux file, you will be in a non-emulated version of Ubuntu Linux, except for the fact it is running inside of a Windows partition.
[Hero CDMA General] kmartburrito:
Oh yeah, I forgot about Wubi! It's pretty badass if I remember correctly. I'm still a little old-school and have a cd case full of live cds and dvds :o

That should be perfect for you!

My advice though, FORCE yourself to use the command line, as that's really where the power of Linux (and Android for that matter as you're seeing firsthand) lies.

Here's a link to a page that has some command line primers to get you started.

http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/319/command-line-tutorial-for-beginners/

I'd find something though that gets you to use the command line. Ubuntu is REALLY user friendly, and you can do a ton without touching the terminal application (where the command line lies) So find something, like Compiz Fusion for example, where you'll have to do some command line work to get it running.

once you find yourself going to the ubuntuforums.org to find out how to get something to work, you'll be on the right track ;)
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
ool yeah I added that to the bookmarks. I cant wait to get started...Im gonna install Wubi later tonight.
[Hero CDMA General] kniteshift:
Sounds extremely less complicating than setting up Grub, will definitely look into Wubi for my netbook :D
[Hero CDMA General] Is_907:
+1 for forcing yourself to use CLI (command line interface.)

When I first learned Linux KDE and Gnome were almost the only options and they were very immature... so most of us had to learn everything the old fashioned way first ;)

@kniteshift: GRUB is way easier to set up now than it used to be. GRUB 1.x was horrid. 2.x is super simple, IMO. And way more versatile than LILO. [end aside]
[Hero CDMA General] kniteshift:
^

I haven't touched my netbook in ages, I'll check it out. Thanks!
[Hero CDMA General] kmartburrito:
You can also look into setting up a persistent installation of Ubuntu on a USB drive.

I use that on my netbook a lot.

Persistent meaning it has a partition to keep track of changes you make. You can basically use it like a normal full install of Ubuntu. Plus you can move it from PC to PC if necessary too. Here's some links for info if you wanted to try it sometime:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent

And the site that made this option famous:

http://www.pendrivelinux.com/

Plus, this makes you look like a Badass. Or a huge dork. I prefer the former.
[Hero CDMA General] Is_907:
I'd recommend Ubuntu Netbook Remix if you're not already using it. Really nice and easy... way easy. Like, you'll forget you're installing Linux kind of easy.
[Hero CDMA General] pseudoremora:
If you really want to learn the basics about linux -- use this website (below). It will teach you:

1. The Unix OS

2. About Processes

3. File types/structures

4. How to copy/move/delete/search files

5. Redirection of output/input and pipes

6. Wildcards/Filename conventions

7. Security/changing permissions

8. Compiling packages

9. The list continues

This is an excellent site, I would highly recommend you bookmark it and refer to it as early and as often as possible. I had to use this when I began writing C++ in VIM, and it helped me learn a lot! I hope it does the same for you. Enjoy, have fun, contribute!;)

http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/
[Hero CDMA General] wtphoto:
ok guys since this has turned into a thread about linux hopefully someone here can help me. I downloaded and installed wubi, I think everything went ok. I then reboot my comp choose ubuntu and it then pulls up like a cmd prompt that says "sh.grub" I would assume I would just type boot (but then im a total newb at linux) but when I do it says no installed kernel. any help would really be appreicated.
[Hero CDMA General] giovannizero:
You probably need to resinstall grub. This link should contain everything you need http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275

On a side note, OS X works very well for doing all this stuff as almost all of the same tools are available.

For learning I think installing the Android SDK and then following the tutorials on creating and signing applications is a pretty great way to start.
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
I am now running linux via wuba...its cool so far I am going to check out the sites that everyone has suggested.
[Hero CDMA General] wtphoto:
well I guess I just dont get it. maybe its becuase im on win7 if not maybe someone can gtalk me through it I followed the intructions for the patch but still no go.
[Hero CDMA General] pseudoremora:
I tried installing Wubi on my Windows 7 64 bit system, didn't work and quick frankly, I didn't want to put much effort into solving the problem, so I did the

better

thing, dual booted instead, which I should have done in the first place. Currently, I have Windows 7 and Ubuntu 9.10 on my laptop, but will probably switch to Fedora 12 or OpenSUSE over the weekend.
[Hero CDMA General] wtphoto:
I would go the dual boot route except that I really cant afford to format my HD right now to partition it I have to many client photos that I am working on.
[Hero CDMA General] gu1dry:
Just install VirtualBox & run Linux as a Virtual Machine.
[Hero CDMA General] pseudoremora:
Virtual Box is always a nice solution; tried and tested!:D
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
Ive gone through 5 of the tutorials so far...its pretty good stuff I feel comfortable to far. Its really helping thanks.
[Hero CDMA General] pseudoremora:
No problem! Just don't go through it once though, keep repeating them, until you can do them without even having to refer back to the site.

"Repetition is the mother of learning"
[Hero CDMA General] bobsbobbers:
Unix for the beginning mage

A free ebook written in a fun style that may help depending on your learning style. I'm personally pretty much still a linux n00b but this book has been helpful for me in learning the basics.

unixmages.com

You must remove the ~~

I'm not allowed to post a link -.-

(grab the PDF)
[Hero CDMA General] watzone69:
Great thread! People sharing and helping someone (like myself) who wants to learn this stuff. THANK YOU!!
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
Thanks to everyone for their help. Its has been a great learning experience. I have just downloaded the 2.1 rom by darchstar and when I had to root the rom again I actually understood what I was doing LOL and the process was a lot faster than the first time. XDA is the best I appreciate everyone who contributes.
[Hero CDMA General] realmrealm:
+1

I've been using virtualbox for years. I have linux servers and workstation VM's and Windows server and workstation VM's. It makes it very easy to switch into one to do something, or to help someone troubleshoot.

-AndyS-
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
I have been using Wubi for a while now and I have gotten okay with it. I have been doing my usual switching from rom to rom. I really would like to get to the point to where I can really develop something and get a rom to how I like it and eventually make one myself. If any devs are reading this and are willing to take on a student/apprentice let me know. I really at this point would start from scratch totally just to make sure I learn everything. I know it is a lot to ask and I would be sure to offer any thing I could back in return. I have a few good private torrent site memberships, google wave invites and I am pretty well versed in other arenas.

I appreciate all the work that I get to reap the benefit of here and all who have directly helped me in this post.

Thanks
[Hero CDMA General] MagnusRagnarok:
Remember if you dont set up a dedicated box for linux, and use a vbox;

you need to be able to spare 1g of ram to dedicate to it, if you plan on

compiling.
[Hero CDMA General] Patb8man:
See that's the type of stuff that I dont know. Thanks. wubi boots on its own that's not considered a virtual box is it? I can always add ram if I need too that's not an issue.

Sent from my HERO200 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] invaderjohn:
have a look at this, launcher 2 working perfectly

no softreboot efter 3d gallery to lancher2

and multitouch in 3d gallery :O

how come this work on g1, but not on hero?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxPLCq_pdCA
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] xinos:
Because the G1's drivers are fully opensource and unfortunatly the hero's are copyrighted to HTC. This means we cant have em XD
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Waza_Be:
I don't think the launcher2 work on AOSP Roms ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] gu1dry:
Also the G1 has a fully functional 2.6.29 kernel, while the Hero is stuck with 2.6.27...
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] Phil_McRevis:
should be fixed soon... sanpei has done great things for the 2.6.29 kernel. We've got it running pretty damn well on radio 6.35 for the 32A hold on guys when he releases sources we'll all be set to do whatever we want :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Android Development] foxmeister:
32A? We're talking Hero, not Magic here!

Regards,

Dave
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] studentpaps:
Hi,

I'm currently looking for a stable (or as can be) uk windows mobile 5 rom. I have recently bought a usb sync cable and need to fix my Qtek 9090 stuck on the v2.08 bootloader screen.

If you could leave me a rom link I'd be greatly appreciative....

If I can only get windows mobile 2003 SE Link, I don't mind. I don't want 6.5 as I've heard it's not stable at all on my device (If I'm wrong about this please leave link)

Please help people, my malcontent has left my device slaughtered for the past week, and I'm really looking forward to it working again!! -I'm using a nokia with a broken screen...tsk tsk

Cheers!

Studentpaps
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] Chef_Tony:
these are the recent stable roms for the BA.

if you want my personal advice: i'd go with either sun_dream's WM6.5.3 Build 21630 because of the great manila version, or d-two's WM6.5.5 Build 23529 WWE for its speed, though all of them are rather fast and very stable.

i don't have wm5 anymore, sorry, but with those roms it is not needed anymore.

also, if you want to start off with wm2003 UK first, here are the links for the O2 wm2003 UK WWE rom: Download from Rapidshare Download from Uploaded.to

this thread might also help you: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=630416

it is my collection of tutorials and downloads for the blueangel, which will give you all the programs and guides you need to get your device up and running again.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] studentpaps:
Downloaded wm6.5 with manilla

I've downloaded the above rom..

I have all the cabs, but how do I place the nbf file onto my Qtek 9090? Should I have a program to copy it to my device? I have activsync 4.5.

Regards,

studentpaps
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] Chef_Tony:
the tutorial is to be found in the first post of the thread i linked: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5576337&postcount=1

as a first time upgrader you should start off at the top, with flashing the wm2003 rom and making sure, you delete and resize the extrom, then flash the rom you picked afterwards. the exact procedure step by step is explained there, all the tools you need are linked there as well. although that makes the question redundant, let me answer your question: to flash the nk.nbf you need the RUU (rom upgrade utility), found in my signature and in that thread.
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] studentpaps:
Thankyou

I'll donate to both you and egzthunder for my riduculous questions you've answered....

Many thanks!

Nick
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 Software Upgrading] aphit:
sun_dream's WM6.5.3 Build 28230 CHS WWE and 21630, which one better cHef??:confused:

can u give mediafire link pliz.. i dont have any member of both link are there.:(