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[HD2 General] jonbaker76:
i updated to 1.66 and although i only used it for a day because my unit was a duff one, the problem seemed to go. Upgrade if you can as i've heard that 1.66 fixes it.

In the mean time you don't need to take your sim out.

This worked for me:

When messages get stuck in oubox:

soft reset. Send txt message to self, this will then release the stuck messages.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
That doesnt sound like the same problem everyone else had. Everyone else just restarted the phone and they sent, no need to take out the sim card.
[HD2 General] bubblubbly:
I had exactly the same problem (although it couldn't be fixed by removing and reinserting the SIM, or restarting the phone)

I tried absolutely everything, and i was never ever able to send a text.

However i did fix it by getting a new SIM from my network, i don't know whether what they told me is true but apparently some older 32bitSIM's are incompatable but the newfangled 64bit ones are.

once i inserted the new SIM i have had absolutely no sms issues
[HD2 General] rizla316:
Skycamefalling:

1) ROM Version: 1.43.405.1 (70124)

2) No i havent installed the hotfix, where can i find it?

3) Yes i imagin they are the same as i haven't changed anything...

And bubblubbly, thats the first thing Vodafone did wen i reported the problem to then months ago, they sent me a new sim but it didn't make a difference at all.
[HD2 General] skycamefalling:
1) Update to the latest ROM for your country (should be 1.66 I guess). Before updating, please backup your data, because the Phone-Memory will be deleted.

2) At the HTC Homepage www.htc.com. Same as where you'll find your ROM update.

3) Hmm...would be good to know for sure. But try the ROM-Update first.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rizla316:
Hey Hero users, I have a HD2, its my first win mob phone, the phone itself is amazing, the os is...meh. Every person iv spoken to loves Android, i myself have never used an Android handset, whats it like? is it really that good? whats the big deal about it?

I was going to get the Hero, until i saw the HD2.

Anyways hope to hear your responses.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Hi,

i'm a former Windows Mobile user who migrated to Android. I could write a long answer, but since i wrote a 6 part series about me switching from Windows Mobile to Android i might as well just give you a link. You can see my impressions there:

Switching from Windows Mobile to Android: Roundup
[Hero, G2 Touch General] gabrieltit1:
More complicated than you think - or is it ?

A key question here is wether or not the O/S in and of itself is exciting ? Many geeks, for inexplicable reasons, tend to find the O/S in and of itself perhaps overly interesting - let's pose a question: Is watching a decent film with good codec support that is abstracted from you by being already built in to the O/S more interesting than drilling three menu's deep to view I/P configuration ? For me being able to just get on with the film is more interesting. Does endlessly testing music playing software and moaning about the relative strengths and weaknesses of each appeal more to you than just listening to some good music ? A clock is a clock is a clock, right ? Not so here - in this bizzare world the relative merits have to be dissected ultimately ending in a non stop moaning about ... everything. Personally, I don't get too excited by O/S's - they are just what is says on the tin - a system allowing you operation - something which facilitates - it's the support for your hardware (i.e. good software) that's important. When buying a PC you're not too interested in what the O/S does, rather what it will allow - this is a combination of hardware and software - so, for a gamers a decent graphics adapter and drivers is important, for audiophiles, good sound card and software, for porn lovers - just a decent enough browser - horses for courses my son.

The naysayers and haters here (they are legion I'm afraid) will attempt to convince you it's incredibly important - like most things in life - it's only the case if you allow it. Android's fine - more intuitive, verbose and graphically 'clean' than Windows (fonts used, menus etc). Key questions should be - what can I do with it ? Perhaps that's the question you should have posed - the answer to that is - a lot - and even more when HTC pull their finger out of their arse and release the 2.1 Update to Android. I think they're just holding it back as a windup to all the small fools winding themselves up on here - I know I'd hold it back and it's given me no end of pleasure to see these insects moan - Ho Hum !!

Hope this is of service,

Simon xx
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kendong2:
go get an iphone.

no seriously, go get an iphone. you want something that just works, and you don't care that the manufacturer forces you to do everything his way. you are not a geek that wants to compile his own kernel and brew his own rom, you want a fancy multimedia device that does everything as promised. you will be lucky with an iphone. correct me if i am wrong, i am not trying to **** with you here.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
this guy is not interested in anything phone related. He has been banned for 4 times now on xda-devs, and keeps coming back to tell people how stupid it is that they waste their time waiting for 2.1 updates (which wouldn't be wrong, if there actually would be people which are not doing anything else than waiting for the update), and that they should look at the moon every night...which makes much more sense and has so much more value according to his logic. Still i don't understand why he keeps wasting HIS OWN time and OURS by registering again and starting the whole discussion all the time...that's really a waste of time.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] gabrieltit1:
Prepare for a correction, son

The clue was in the reference to Apple as crApple - they have mastered the art of illusion it would seem - but, as Hamlet said "Seems, I know not seems" -you are wrong on so many counts I don't know where to start - multitasking or lack of it is as good a place as any - proprietry ties everywhere - unbelievably overpriced - poor design (battery changing) - poor design - I for one don't physically like it both externally (body) and internally (overall designs, icons etc) - customer paying for their marketing - and the list goes on and on - itunes blah blah blah - not everyone wants to live in a world where the corporation cynically dupes the customer and what's worse - the customer colludes - no ta. Perhaps I didn't explain my sentiments as clearly as I could have (time and space constraints, but mainly effort or lack of it) - I like the Hero very much but see the flaws and feel they are relatively easily addressed. Of course, the more intelligent amongst you may have spotted the glaring fact that HTC colludes with Google who have provided Android as freeware which ultimatley will alllow them to cynically exploit you through their core business (advertising for the idiots) - ah the joys of the macro and micro views of modern business and the consumer.

I hope this goes someway to providing an answer. In short: Hero = Good but flawed, Iphone = Style but no substance - do you need it spelling out ? Apple may state over 100,00 apps available - do you know what percentage of these aren't used ? 96 % You're easily fooled my son

Simon xx

To the idiot above me, let's get one thing clear: there has been a MASSIVE amount of truly unimportant whingeing on here - how many posts in the 2.1 Update thread have told people to shut up and stop moaning. So I pointed out both your (you're a key moaner) and others folly crapping on all the time - its boring and not becoming of an 'adult' - I offered some alternatives along the lines of do something else, an example being have a look at the moon of a night (it is beautiful, it doesn't involve whingeing - when you've got three kids, son - maybe you'll appreciate pointing out nature's bounty etc etc) - I come on here for the same reasons as you - it's your actions as I have repeatedly pointed out that have ALLOWED me to both get to you (let it go son !) and caused much mirth - appologies for pointing out you're an idiot but - you're an idiot - feel better now ?

S xx
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
hmm...seems like we just found your soft spot with the whole 'moon' example....calm down...take a look at the moon tonight, and you'll feel better...i hope.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] gabrieltit1:
You've 'found' nothing chief - the puerile allusion to my 'soft' side etc etc - what's really got your goat is someone mercillessly pointed out the truth, that being :

You're not quite as bright as your own self image tells you

You're insights reveal .......... nothing

You are easily distracted and miss the point in a spectacular manner

There's plenty more but then we'd start getting into fees and perhaps 6 sessions of exploratory councelling - what with you living in the land of the Hun, that may prove difficult

I've let it go now, I suggest you do the same

S xx
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
quod erat demonstrandum
[Hero, G2 Touch General] anarchyuk:
I would say if you have to ask what's the big deal then your interest in phones is not strong enough to need to know!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Wooooottt? No idea what gay Simon is talking about. I guess he's gone full retard.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] peterc10:
I sometimes despair at this forum and the people who populate it. A noobie asks a simple and perfectly reasonable question and the next thing you know it all kicks off. Have you all been on the electronic equivalent of Newcastle Brown??

Why not lets get back to helping somebody (for those that are unclear of the definition look it up in the OED).

To rizla316. I much prefer Android because it is user friendly. As you have suggested WM is not. It is almost as user friendly as the iphone without all the problems - like being locked in tight to the great satan Apple. I also like the capacitive screen, which I think you have on the HD2. However Android really brings out how good that type of screen is.

Just my personal opinion, given in order to try to answer your original question. Now watch me getting flamed for having it and sharing it ;)

BTW if you want a friendly Android forum try here
[Nexus One General] chiehkai:
Saw a few processes which runs automatically after my phone starts(stock rom un-rooted) that I don't recognize :

Google Partner Setup (com.google.android.partnersetup) => What does it setup?

Bluetooth (com.android.bluetooth) => I have bluetooth turned off by default

My Uploads (com.google.android.apps.uploader) => What does it uploads?

Launcher (com.android.launcher2) => What does it launch?

Will it cause any problems if I kill all above processes? Sorry I'm new to Android, just got my Nexus One a few days ago.

Any help highly appreciated :p
[Nexus One General] daveid:
Google Partner Setup - Pretty sure that is what connects your device to your Google account services. Obviously important.

Bluetooth - it is a service that runs, so bluetooth can be turned on/off. It is not doing anything actively unless turned on.

My Uploads - Not entirely sure, but it is probably the same as the bluetooth service, and is idle unless you are sending data to a remote host.

Launcher - That is the Visual overlay you use to access your phone. That is your 'Home Screens', your application tray, etc.

There is no reason to kill any processes in Android, as that is counter-productive to the way it handles resources and memory management.
[HTC Vox] strooja:
In your opinion, which one would it be? It's been three long years since the Vox entered out lives, so, which cooked ROM would be the best one?

Which one has the best performances (guess that would be one based on wm 6.0), and which one has the least bugs, in your opinion based on experiences?
[HTC Vox] flyboyovyick:
Stock. On e650

Fastest i think

flyboy
[HTC Vox] will9895:
I've only used the stock ROM, Fireburned's v3.1, and FHM's 'official' v2.3. I've found fireburned's to be the best looking and nicest to use by a long way, sometimes hangs but i've just done a hard reset and it seems to be working fine now. obviously its got nothing on a new smartphone (i wanna Pre or something) but its really not at all bad, i came off a sony w200i so its a revelation. sorry i dont know about the 6.0 or 6.1 roms, but i've not had many speed problems with this, sometimes you have to wait for a while but never more than 10 seconds for most apps. the only difficult one ive had is opera mobile 10 beta 3 but i guess it being a beta odesn't help. so yeah id recommend fireburneds out of what i've tried, better than the stock by miles anyway

oh i should add too that ive found that on fireburneds the wifi sometimes wont turn and the hang i mentioned is with the menu key in file explorer, but both of these have been ok since i reset it (5 hours ago) so heres hoping! i think other people may have had the same problem on both his and Frauhottelman's
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jonahs:
In short:

Is there a thread somewhere stating the pro's and con's of running Android from different types of "media" (SD, NAND, EXT2)?

If there is, please provide a link, I can't seem to find anything that isn't an unanswered question or small comments.

If there isn't, let this be a starting point for those looking for the answer to this question.

Longer:

I've seen this question pop up once and again but it might be that the topic is totally exhausted and people have stopped commenting on it. I can't seem to find an answer though; What are the pro's and con's of using NAND, EXT2, FAT32 or any combination of it?

I see a couple of installation alternatives and some I have been able to conclude myself but others not.

* Running from SD-card using HaRET

This option is the slowest in terms of Android performance. It has the added value of easily getting back to Windows Mobile by rebooting the phone, gaining easy access to the SD card and manipulation options.

* Running the system AND data on NAND

This option has in my view the fastest Android experience. Access to files on the SD card is a bit more cumbersome (there is the SD card split widget APK available but I have yet to see it working) and access to files for manipulation I can't comment on (haven't gotten to that yet).

* Running the system from NAND and data on EXT2

The performance seems almost as fast as the system+data on NAND. I have no idea about the added value of running anything from an EXT2-partition in the SD card but I'm guessing it will be slower. I have no idea if file access for manipulation is easier or not compared to the other options.

* Running the system AND data from EXT2

I have not tried this yet and cannot comment on it. Something tells me it will be slower than NAND because of SD card overhead.

* Running the system from EXT2 and data on NAND

I have not tried this yet and cannot comment on it.

Now, I've missed out on several of the installation options but I'll edit this post as soon as I get to investigating it further.

Any comments/experience/knowledge in this is greatly appreciated, as it can make things clearer as to what options to choose.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Raymongo:
Well these are very good question and wanted to start a thread on this matter as well. I also could not find a strait answer anywhere.

I also want to know if there is an advantage using ext2 over fat32.

So, people out there having knowledge about this matter please share it. ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Ext2 and Fat32 are both types of filesystem used on various different types of media, including SD card, Hard drives etc.

EXT2 is (one) of the native linux filesystems, and is fully supported in kernel, and is usually faster and more stable in that OS

FAT32 is the 32bit version of the old MSdos filesystem, used up to Windows 98, and still supported by windows machines, but slower and less stable than the native NTFS filesystem used by XP and above.

Nand is actually the type of flash ROM used by our devices, and not a filesystem as such, and running Android in Nand refers to where the information is stored, rather than the filesystem used to store it.

It's equally valid to say that we run WM in Nand also.

I think that in the case of Android EXT2 should be faster and more stable than fat32 since it's designed for Linux, and works better in that OS.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Raymongo:
Zenity ik would like to thank you very much as this answers mij questions.

And i think this would many others aswell.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] boli99:
Don't forget - if you format your MicroSD to just EXT2 then you will make it very awkward to transfer files to/from the card on a Microsoft Windows based system.

This may, or may not be a problem for you.

Ultimately, the current ideal situation (IMHO) is to run your OS from NAND, and to store your data (music / movies / documents) on a FAT32 format MicroSD - as this enables you to swap the MicroSD card without turning off the device, and provides best cross-platform usability of the MicroSD for the purposes of transferring data to/from it.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jonahs:
Thank you all!

Thank you all for commenting! I will add your comments to the Android-wiki I'm building as this question could come back repeatedly from newcomers (and old ones who forgot ;))!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] VulpesFoxnik:
There is a program for allowing the mounting of EXT2 file systems on windows, however they are not signed. This is more problematic in Windows that are 64bit. The program is called 'ext2fsd' and you can get it from source forge. EXT2 is a better file system, and does not have the 4GB file size limit, and does not fragment (although on a SD card, this should not be an issue). EXT2 also has file permissions that Linux understands. Fat32 has no Access control file permissions.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
I have just recently got polymod's eclair running with both system and data on ext2 partitions.

my question is...

I am just wondering what the boot order is...

and where(if possible) can it be changed?

system.img in the andboot folder VS system on partition.

I know it can be set in the installer. but lets say I had installed system on ext2 partition. and then later placed a system.img in the andboot folder.

can I swap between the two?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
OK...

I figured it out myself,

You can use the installer to select boot options (Not just options to install)

so I have a system and data on partitons. (currently using)

and I also have a second build installed to .img files in the andboot folder. (for failsafe backup)

if I want to swap from one into the other

I enter installer and change the settings for the system and data to

their respective locations and then just QUIT.

I also still have a donut build in the android folder. as well as still running winmo.

:eek: quad boot system on my phone...LOL :rolleyes:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Now thats a neat use of the installer, I think this find deserves it's own thread in fact, I'm certain others will find it useful :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Base-Nikko:
Tanks ! :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] kallt_kaffe:
I've done some tries with this doing the partitioning from within android and then formatting the FAT32 partition from Windows 7 but the FAT32 partition doesn't work very well afterward. Really slow and sometimes crashes the explorer. Propably something to do with my SD-card. May try doing the partitioning and formatting from Linux to see if it works better.

Seems to me the main advantage of this option is to increase the size of available data storage which i suspect can become a limitation sooner or later in a pure NAND install.

EDIT: Now I've done it and gone NAND-System + EXT2-Data... Partitioned the SD-card from Ubuntu with gparted. Resized the FAT32 partition and created 3 primary EXT2 partitions. only the second (partition 3) should be used though with the setup I am using. It's charging right now so I haven't tried it out much yet but I will later on. However I noticed that I now have 171Mb free phone storage instead of 30-something that I had before (same apps installed). :)

EDIT2: Ran gparted again and shrinked the unused partition (partition 2) and expanded the data partition (partition 3) so I now have 369Mb free "Internal phone storage". Haven't noticed any speed differences between this and when I had data on NAND.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] casoft:
nand

By then one question:

If im install android in the NAND is more fast ready? But this process erase WM6?

Because now android work good in my HTC TYNT II but the camera and bluetooth not work and have one or two performance problems and for this dont like delete WM6 of my phone, and for this im use Android from my SD.

But look the NAND option because have a problems with the time live of my battery only lasts 5hours with android and SD.

Thanks for your help and cooperation
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xPreSiDenT:
excellent thread which answers some questions that I had. Thanks to everyone who contributed. The only question remaining though and I have posted this elsewhere without getting an answer:

I partitioned a 2 gb sdcard with ~1.6gb Fat32 and the rest as a single Ext2. I selected system on nand and data on ext2 in the installer. After installation, it does show alot more memory for data as compared to data on nand, BUT I also have a data.img in andboot which is in the Fat32 partition, with a size around 250mb. The question is, is the data in that file or on ext2? If I backup data from installer, it creates a databackup.img in andboot with the same size as data.img. Seems to me the ext2 partition is just taking up space and not being used. Can anyone more knowledgeable shed some light on this? Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Not quite sure what is going on there, seems very counter-intuitive, I would have assumed that system on Nand, data on EXT2 would have installed the data partition to EXT2 on SD. This would seem not to be the case in this instance.

There are a few experiments you could try, if you are brave enough, since you may cause problems by trying any of these suggestions, which could mean a reinstall, I leave it to your judgement how to proceed :)

Ok firstly I assume you have a card reader, since you managed to partition and format the SD card in the first place. Remove the SD card, insert in card reader, delete the andboot folder, or the contents of the folder, ( may be wise to have a spare SD with either a winmo or android install handy at this point, just in case things go horribly wrong ).

Now with the cleaned SD, put it in the phone and boot, it should boot fine, IF the data is truly on the EXT2 partition.

That at least will answer one question, namely, where the heck is my data? ;)

If this works fine, then I'd just put it down to some inner weirdness of android on non-native devices, if it fails then I'm wondering if your EXT2 partition may have problems, forcing the phone to dump it on the first available good partition, namely the FAT32 one.

Oh and if it does fail, you will have to reinstall, since your data will be toast.

Finally, good luck, I await with interest :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] golfnz34me:
As I recall, the install has the FAT32/Ext2 options incorrectly swapped. It has been this way for a while.