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[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrkite38:
Sounds like you're waiting on vendors like tomtom, not android... and those old programs for winmo were marketed in a time when data plans weren't mandatory. I think we all see the utility of a program that doesn't rely on a data connection but you literally have to have one to get a gps-enabled phone today.

Y'know, it's almost like they didn't take the vogue-android community into consideration when they made that decision. Insensitive, I think.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Borkata81:
Yes there is offline GPS application and it is called MotoNav and is actually iGO Amigo. It is not free, but there is a way to be installed as long as I know. MotoNav originally is provided to Motorola Milestone.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] meknb:
You can buy copilot live on DVD thats offline gps routing you dont need to download the maps if thats what you mean?

If you wanted to test copilot maybe you could try a android emulator don't know how good it is for windows "from your comment's i presume your a windows user" but works fine on linux.

When it's setup the maps are installed on your emulated sdcard in a folder called copilot copy that to the root of your sdcard for your device and try copilot on your device.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] seanmcd72:
Well performance of the GPS is pretty poor - would start the Nav app and it would work for a few minutes then goto "Searching Sats" so I don't think it's quite there yet unless I'm missing something.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
This would be a limitation of Android or the Nav app then, not the device or GPS chip, since in Windows Mobile I could get a lock in 30 seconds, and keep it as long as I was outside. Never had GPS lose it's lock once it had it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Yeah, I have tried three different CoPilot APK installers...

version 8.0.0.327

version 8.0.0.328

version 8.0.0.444

All of them show diagonally/slanted on my screen at startup, and you cannot correctly select any of the buttons. It is all skewed looking, then after a few seconds it makes some error noise and closes, back to the previous screen I was on before I ran the program, so I don't think CoPilot works with the Vogue/Android, at least not on this ROM at 240x320. Any advice on how to get it running would be appreciated...since it probably is the best standalone (no data needed) GPS app for Android.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] meknb:
Yes looked like that till i changed my lcd.density to 113 in the build.prop "nand" or default.txt "sdcard" or try plemen's build i think he use's lcd.density 113.

Im using myn's 240x320 build on a polaris so the lcd.density could be different on your phone so try a few.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] stopthebus:
I am on Plemen's donut and using copilot .328. I don't know if it needs data to run, but I did have to download the maps and related stuffs to the sd card first. It's not TomTom or Igo, but it's still is a gazillion times better than google. Google Nav's a joke, most of the time the destination is way off not to mention suggesting impossible/illegal turns. Don't even get me started on the misspell road names. I seriously hope not a lot of people are using it. It's distracting if not outright dangerous and I hate to see distracted/dangerous drivers on the road.

Pro:

Works

Never loose signal

Cons:

I do get the skewed image when I switch to landscape.

No Text to Speech.

Not very intuitive UI

I hope you give Copilot a shot before going back to Winmo.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Borkata81:
It seems that there is already iGo My Way 2009 for Android, which runs in 320x480 (MotoNav for example is with 800x480 which is a problem). What I saw as comments is that iGo MyWay is locking pretty fast compared to MotoNav.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] seanmcd72:
I switched to radio version 3.42.40 instead of 3.42.50 last night. On the way to work, the Nav app never skipped a beat. I kept the phone on the passenger seat the whole time. w00t Kind of off subject as I have a data plan, but perhaps that radio may work for what you are looking for if you haven't tried it
[Touch CDMA Android Development] prairiefire:
Does the GPS hardware vary per carrier? I have never been able to get offline GPS in either winmo (when I was on it) or android when out of cell range. I'm on Bell. I've read that there are different types of A-GPS and I am pretty sure that Bell vogues have the type that first require checking in with Bell before enabling communication with GPS satellites.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] kiwilime:
Data is required. When you first install it, it loads all of the data onto the root of your SD card, and then tries to download some other files. That's probably the only time you need internet, because CoPilot works offline, but it's been keeping me from using it because you can't use the GPS unless you download that file.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
just switch back to winmo...seems like you'll be much more content and not have to make so many complaints about android. actually just buy a tomtom...i think it might actually work well enough for your needs...no data required either.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Does anyone else have CoPilot 8.0.0.444 installed? Can you send me all your files in a ZIP other than the maps folder, because I already bought the 8.0.0.444 version with the USA maps, and I have copilot installed but it is looking for the download on startup...it will not go any further and just exit out, but if someone can send me the files from an already-downloaded copy, then that will mean that it won't try to download on mine, and I can use what I actually paid for :)

I am pretty sure this cannot be a breach or terms, asking for files, since I have a paid for copy as well. Oh - I have an upload site, so if you want the link, PM me. Thanks!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
You have to go through a lengthy process of modifying settings deep in the phone (called QPST settings), otherwsie it will only work like you said - in cell phone coverage which is called "Assisted GPS" (A-GPS). Once you do the QPST settings change, then you can have true satellite based only GPS. No signal needed...the GPS will even work in Airplane mode (when your cell signal/radio is disabled).
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
It's the other way around...at least for Verizon. GPS was standalone and the whole point in modifying the gpsOne settings in qpst was to enable agps for fast locks.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
so, anyone have a reply on how to get around the original download needed for CoPilot? this will solve my problem. I already have the full USA maps paid for and installed, I just need to get past that original download search...or if there is an INI setting I can tweak to make it not check for downloads at startup? It cost me

Thanks.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] kiwilime:
That would be great if I could avoid that download screen on CoPilot, I'm using the SD boot for android instead of NAND because I can't use the GPS feature on my vogue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
*sigh*, I also tried iGo My Way v8.4.x with Texas maps, and when I start it up it says something to the extent of 'could not find application database', then just closes...

This is getting kinda expensive, now that I have bought iGo maps and CoPilot 8...is there really NOBODY that is trying to use GPS without data (i.e. like we have for years on WinMo? Seems silly to have to pay for a data plan to get GPS working, since it is a satnav chip). Just wondering if I am the only one who finds this unacceptable.

Thanks,
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drock3260:
I think most of us have data plans or just don't use gps
[Touch CDMA Android Development] seanmcd72:
I found the answer to your issue: HERE
[Touch CDMA Android Development] *M*:
Ndrive GPS is awesome
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
No need to be sarcastic. I already have a TomTom for my car. I want this for when I am riding with others...not gonna take my dedicated GPS unit around with me.

I find it very surprising that nobody else really cares about this. This whole area of the forum is dedicated to people who have a Wndows Mobile Vogue and want to make it an Android phone. Well, one of things EVERYONE tried to get working in the WinMo threads for this phone is GPS using apps like TomTom and Garmin...I find it amazing that now people are putting Android on their phones they don't care about GPS anymore like they did on WinMo....it is just so weird to me that I am the only one wanting this.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] manu33xtro:
Hi crobs808,

You're not alone... I use every day my Polaris with Android in nand (bye bye WinMo...) and I wait for a new better Kernel for GPS (not AGPS !!) because I use Igo8 and sometimes he loose the signal... And sometines it crashes !
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
They tried to get TomTom and Garmin working because it was available for Windows. It's not for Android. The fact of the matter is Android is simply a MUCH fresher, cleaner, friendlier OS and UI than windows. Probably at least 85% of the vogue-android users have some sort of data plans, so they don't mind using data-oriented GPS apps when needed. Your beef is with the android platform, not with how much the community cares that there isn't a non-data gps solution. Android on the whole is very data oriented, as most smartphone OS's are now. Sorry, that's how the industry has transformed. People like being connected 24/7. There is hardly any demand from android users in general for a solid non-data gps solution like TomTom, so there is not much out there for android in that area.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
Very well said. And another thing, Ive read many posts from you crobs808. You've bought a copy of this and a copy of that. I even gave you an app that not surprisingly you have already paid for. Now i just read that you have bought gps for your car too. My point is, why dont you have unlimited data with all that cash lol.:)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] manifest3r:
I'm interested in this too, but the only solution i've found is rebooting into winmo and running iGo XD

I've tried iGo for android but the res is waaaay too big :/

Guess i'll just wait for the supersonic on Sprint ^_^
[Touch CDMA Android Development] seanmcd72:
Just trying to lighten the mood crobs!! :D I say just be patient and if it's possible it will eventually be available.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] btong:
I use Sygic, doesn't require a data plan. I can't get google nav to work in Canada even though I got the $10 unlimited data plan.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
TomTom for my car was a birthday gift from my parents.

The paid-for market app you offered me for free (which is illegal) cost me $1 on the market.

The maps I bought for iGo and CoPilot costs about $35-$40 each...which came from my guitar savings fund.

Any more questions?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
That was to hopefully lighten your mood a little bit. (still didnt work)

You are always so serious. I meant nothing personal about that. Just wondering why you dont have unlimited data which i guess is really none of my buisness. I hope you find a solution to your gps problem soon.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] BigBadBuu:
Dude--if you can't afford the $10 data package, go bag groceries once a month.

Your individual use case is not worth the dev communities' efforts at this point in time--there are other, much bigger priorities--it's self-evident, really.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
Exactly. Crobs, you can't just expect the whole community to instantly provide or start thoroughly researching for a perfect solution only for you. You and a very few others want this, nobody else really cares that much. The devs are gonna work on what people are begging/wishing to be available (ie. bluetooth was wanted for a long time, they worked on it, now it's fixed; same with a2dp). There are hardly any individuals pleading for non-data gps. It's just not what people are expecting to have or wanting when they switch to android. And, personally, most people that truly want a nice GPS sans phone buy a TomTom, as you said you have one. What is all the fuss if you only want it for when you're in a friend's car? Maybe your friend should buy a gps i don't know. It'd be a little different if you had very low income and had no means to buy a TomTom and couldn't afford a data plan. But you do have a TomTom, so you at least have that for your needs when you're driving. And TomTom's are portable...so if you really need gps in your friend's car like you say you do, then bring that TomTom along next time. I don't see why this is such an issue for you.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
$10 a month? Are you serious? that gets you what....like 100 emails, then you are cut off? Verizon is an extra $45 a month for unlimited data. I cannot be a Christian, and at the same time justify that cost; it is just wasteful. Many people use it for business, so it is basically making them money, but if I had a data plan it would not be for business, only pleasure, and $45 a month is obscene.

My only choice would be switching to Boost Mobile, but I would have to break contract, which would cost a lot of money. I am sorry I am not in the same financial situation as you and apparently most other people here - so sue me. I am baffled that you feel like you have to attack me for requesting help on an issue that I have already done weeks of research on...just thought someone else here would have some good input, which I did get along the way with recommendations like CoPilot, iGO, and Sygic - for me this thread was a success, execpt for the people who decided it was their job to badger me for not having a data plan, thanks.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
No, I'm simply confused as to why you just HAD to have offline gps when you have a TomTom. Your only reason stated was to bring it in your friend's car...and verizon data plan is $29.99 unlimited, not $45. I think you decided it was your job to badger Android and everyone else for not dying to have non-data gps. You really need to lighten up and just take some criticism...anything someone says on here that isn't what you want to hear you take as "badgering" or an "insult." Don't read so seriously into the text and just take advice as it is. Jeez.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
wow this guy is still here? This is really a bad joke...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
How about we just stop. Posts like this just add "drama" to a situation that is just supposed to be a technical discussion, which is was for a while and I liked, but drama is the last thing we need - I simply hate it.

So, here's a fact - Verizon used to be $30 a month, and now is $45...I called about three weeks ago when I switched to Android and asked, and that is the case. $30 doesn't let you tether (if you sign up now. If you signed up 6 months ago, or before, then it was only $30 for everything).
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
STOP! I had a legitimate thread that simply asked an objective technical question, yet got hijacked by people who thought their opinion (about GPS w/o data being worthless) trumped my need to have my original question answered.

This is just ridiculous, and immature. berardi - Why would you post this? If you don't want to help, then DON'T! - I already got my answers from other posters who did in fact help, so please...will a Moderator/Admin please lock this? I am sick of getting subscription updates in my email just to read personal insults against me. Grow up people.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
Now you're trying to be the big boy? You are ruining my experience along with plenty of others so why should I care what you think?

this forum has been a 100% peaceful place until you decided to drop by with your anti-developer banter and non-sensical, irrelevant, babbling threads. Personal insults? I've only commented on the uselessness of your posting, if you are projecting your own insecurities or problems, that is YOUR problem. You really are a troubled individual. By the way quit telling people what to do... you are the boss of no one. I suggest your parents give you a lesson in respect rather than a Tom Tom GPS for your next year.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Inflamatory (trying to pick a fight)

Inflamatory (close minded to other users)

Inflamatory (inaccurate, I have donated over $50 to DCD alone, and about $30 to miscellaneous others to support devo fixes)

Inflamatory (personal insult)

Inflamatory (character judgement/personal insult)

Inflamatory (personal insult/insulting my family)

Gonna stop yet? I have.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
pick a fight? you ARE a fight...wherever you go

did you really spend the time to make those quotes and red color fonts? I suggest you find a hobby, I really would love to be a fly on the wall in your life, where do you come from? lol
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Now you done?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
No this is really entertaining me now LOL
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Mod/Admin: This is my second request to please lock this thread. Thank you.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
huh?

[ten char]
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Mod/Admin: After the fake quote above by berardi, I must request a third request to please lock this thread. I have received about 7 PMs from him also, and asked him nicely to stop posting/messaging me. Thank you.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
You are the one PMing me... and I'm sure they can see the logs so don't try to lie.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
Um I'm literate and I can read my bill. I pay $30 and have unlimited data usage, and I tether fine via pdanet. Verizon can't tell if you're tethering with pdanet or not
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Just logged into my Verizon account, and clicked the "Add/Change Features" link. Here are the options that came up (I must be blind)...

===

Maps & Location Services

VZ Navigator - $9.99/month

Data. PDA/SmartPhone

Unlimited Corporate Email & Web for Smartphones (business & personal email) - $44.99/month

Unlimited Email & Web for Smartphones (personal email) - $29.99/month

Unlimited Email & Web (including Data Tethering) for Smartphones - $44.99/month

===

Those are the only three options I had to choose from, so am I blind?

It does not matter if they can tell or not. It is a moral decision. The service costs $15 extra. It is up to you to decide if you are going to "not tell them" and just do it anyway. I personally could not do that.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Then why would they have a separate (the third) option below it that is $15 more, and explicitly states that you can tether? I am not wrong here...I had a customer service rep confirm this over the phone, and asked if I wanted to add "Unlimited Data with Tethering for $44.99". She also did say (as I stated earlier) that 6 months ago tethering used to be included, but is not now, so if you have had data for 6 months or more then you got lucky...but it is not the case now.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
GPS on Vogue works fine, I don't see the problem?

The AGPS on the Vogue still works as GPS. If it's unable to get AGPS data from the radio tower, it will fall back on traditional cold-start GPS mode (like a Garmin).

Are you not getting this functionality? It will take severely longer to get a lock in cold-start mode, because of the crappy hardware, but it will.

Unfortunately, Vogue Android provides no mechanism for disabling AGPS. There is a setting in the /system/build.prop, but I don't think it affects anything.

The GPS is locked at mode 4 in the RIL:

http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.n...42a17565be4c1169fce9745b8eb3de18;hb=HEAD#l406

You could compile your own RIL with mode 0 or 1 (I forget which is standalone GPS, I believe it's 0).

edit - Here's the settings from PPCGeeks:

0 Standalone

1 MS Based

2 MS Assisted

4 MS Assisted/Hybrid

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GpsOne

Technically, there are mechanisms in libgps through Android to set the GPS mode, but we don't do anything with it:

http://androidhtc.git.sourceforge.n...22bd62eafd8c830baef3fef4d0063f73c;hb=HEAD#l32

I believe the /system/build.prop value sets this.

A communication layer would have to be added between libgps and the RIL (radio) to communicate this intention. Then the mode can be set to GPS-only.

Currently such a task would be way, way at the bottom of my list (though I'd like to see it eventually).

This isn't a priority at the moment because, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I have unlimited data through Sprint, so Google Maps Nav is fine enough for me.

Still, you should be getting GPS functionality without a cell tower available.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
If you're afraid of your phone using data, usually you can call in and have a data block placed on your account. Then AGPS should revert to the normal GPS mode.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
As far as your question goes, numerous applications are available for Android that allow you to use the Maps on the SDCard:

http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f12/roundup-gps-nav-apps-for-g1-android-12957/

Then you need to recompile the RIL with Mode 0 for Standalone no-cell-tower GPS.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Dukenukemx:
Jesus christ, I'm reading through this thread and it sounds retarded. Crobs808 didn't say anything wrong at all, but yet everyone is trying to make him sound like a retard. It may not be the Andorids fault why there isn't an offline GPS option, but it's certainly a plus for the WinMO OS.

I'm actually in the process of switching from WinMO to Android on my Kaiser. I love the Android, it's way better then WinMO, but I don't have a data plan and can't afford to pay $25 a month for it. I have a free Hot Spot option from Optimum, and while it's good for surfing the net, it's useless when I'm driving down the road running GPS.

About 6 months ago, I actually posted on the Android section about the G1 phone, cause I was thinking of getting one. Flamed immediately for trolling, and got ****ty responses for my questions. So I bought a Kaiser, and now have the option to switch between WinMO and Android. Just so happens that lately, I've seen the software market on the Android mature to the point where I may wanna flash it permanently to the NAND memory of my Kaiser. Snesoid, Genesoid, an Nesoid work flawlessly on my Kaiser, and I even got Kwaak3 working without sound.

The only road block for me is the offline GPS. With the way the economy is, I can't afford the data plan. I could always buy a stand alone Tom Tom, but that's no different from the people who told me to buy a PSP or a DS if I wanted to play games. Hell why stop there, I can always get an iPod, oh and maybe a Laptop if I really wanted to surf the net.

It gets to the point where I ask, why the **** own a smart phone if it can't do these things?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] seanmcd72:
I think the last sentence of the OP is what did him in, and so few people don't have a data plan in this forum. The point is - Android is a work in progress on these phones. It's amazing that it works as well as it does. It's not meant to work - you didn't buy your phone with Android, so the fact that anything works is a bonus. For a good while BT never worked. I knew this and it prevented me from going forward with using Android. Now it's works, so I jumped on board. BT was a must have for me. If stand alone GPS is a must have for anyone, they should simply stay with Windows until they know it works instead of claiming ..."Winmo is far superior to any Android GPSsolution". It's possible it will eventually work, but I'm sure in relation to everything else it's going to be low on the list for the average developers.