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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] johnkst:
Hi Antaed.

I'm surprised too that no one has replied to your question.

I think the problem is not so much that it is a big secret, but that it is very complicated and therefore difficult to reply to.

I've done a bit of work on changing icons myself, so I can probably explain to you what is involved and what you have to do. But you will need to decide for yourself whether you want to put in the effort...

The slider icons (and the slider itself) are .png images stored in manila files. So the first thing you will need to do is find out, for your version of Manila, which files contain the slider icons for your version.

The best way to find out which files you need to change is to 'unzip' an existing cab which changes the slider icons on your version of manila and read the setup.xml file to extract the names of the manila files in the cab.

Please note that there are 3 files for each slider icon!

Then you will need to extract the .png files from the manila files. I use CFC GUI (available on this forum) to extract the .png files.

Once you have the original .png files, you will see that the slider icons do not take up the whole 128x128 pixels of the file but are placed approximately in the top left corner of the .png file. This will be your guide as to how big to make your new icons and where to place the new icon within the 128x128 matrix.

Please note that there are two different positions depending on whether the image you are replacing is the standard position in the row of icons or the icon visible 'within' the slider (seen as you move the slider along the row of icons), which is slightly higher and to the left.

Once you have created your new .png files in the same format as the originals, you should then use CFC GUI again to replace the original image with your new ones in the appropriate manila file.

You can then either manually move your new manila files across to your device (not recommended) or create a cab file to install them (and uninstall them) in one go (highly recommended!).

I would advise (from experience) only doing a couple of icons first until you have the exact position for the icon with the file. The position should then be the same for every icon.

The slider itself is fortunately only one file and therefore a lot easier to change. Again the best way to find out which manila file you need to change for your version is to unzip a cab file that changes the slider on your version and read the setup.xml file.

Hope this helps... (Well, at least you got an answer!)

And "No", I do not know of an easier way of doing this!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] antaed:
Johnkst, thanks for your kind reply, I started to have doubts I'll get an answer to this :).

About the procedure - yes, it's pretty challenging but I'll try ;).

First because it's kind of a new adventure for me :D and then because I feel I owe it to you now, as I don't want to leave your effort in vain :).

If I'll succeed (and I don't see why not) you'll be the first to receive my work.

Thanks again and best regards,

Antaed
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] johnkst:
Changing slider icons and the slider...

That's the right attitude, Antaed...!

I don't know if it will help you, but I am attaching two cabs to this post. They are ones I made myself for my HD2, which uses Manila 2.5.1920. I THINK the same files are used for 1921, but I don't know for sure...

There might be some stuff in there that you do not need, but they might also be useful to help you identify the files you need to change.

One is for the clear slider on the main tabs (it also slightly changes the black '2nd level' slider), the other for the slider icons.

The slider icons it installs are those from Jaguaralani. Let me know once you have downloaded as I will remove them again. I know Jaguaralani does not want his/her theme split up and my posting a cab which installs only the slider icons probably goes against those wishes... - Done!

Good luck!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] antaed:
done, thanks. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] EDENO1:
Just want this simple taskbar:

All I really want to change is from the white Windows icon to the standard colored windows icon...can't find it, I have been searching for 4 hours...anybody know where I can download a taskbar w/this icon?

Thanks!

Edeno
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] sirphunkee:
One of Spike's taskbars has a colored windows start logo, you can look HERE and see if it matches what you want...scroll down the options there 'till you see 'varient 3'
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] EDENO1:
Thank you, I did download this one, but I don't like the box around it and the icon appears very small on my phone...anybody else know where I can get this plain windows icon?

thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] sirphunkee:
Here's another one I found you can try...check out THIS thread, look for the "Q series" in the second post, it has a bigger colored Windows icon, with no box around it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] InRBigness:
You can also search for Brians taskbar. It has a whole new icon set as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] jcterry:
I second that. That's my favorite that I have seen.

You can always make your own taskbar icons. I found a website that gives you the tools and explains what to do (even to where I can understand it :D). I will have to get the link when I get home.

Here's the link:

http://winmo.techparaiso.com/how-to-create-custom-taskbar-icons/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] EDENO1:
thank you for the suggestions, I will check those out!

Edeno
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] x omega:
Okay I'm a lurker on the developer thread and I thought it best to create a separate topic where everyone can talk about it (or complain that people can't shoehorn an OS on a device fast enough for their liking despite the fact that people are doing it for free basically) without all this "DEVELOPER DISCUSSION ONLY AUGUGHGH" "but we don't know where else to post about it"-ism

so this thread is for the non-developer discussion of said project:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=578575

(won't let me past "outside links"(?) cos I'm a n00b for some reason)

so there's no excuse now for anyone who posts "when is it done?" in the other thread

Also, a few pointers since some people don't get it and I'd rather save a developers/non-developers civil war thing.

How long will it take? - You're looking at about a year at least. Remember, it's installing an OS on a system that isn't meant to even have it. It's going to take a hell of a lot of time to guesswork and muck around with this stuff.

(all the people moaning on engadget re: the US HD2 launch being all "HTC release an android update right now :mad:" and then being all "OH XDA WILL SORT IT OUT" (because apparently xda is their overnight miracle machine) annoy me something chronic for this reason.)

remember too that these people are more or less doing this for free.

Can't you just install the Nexus/Supersonic/etc. rom on there? - No.

from what I understand of the whole thing (I'm not a developer so take this with a pinch of salt) there's an awful lot of different code and such on these things which means it isn't as easy to just "install" it on another OS. It's like asking why you just can't fit a jaguar engine into a VW beetle. It could work, but there'd be a lot of work and rerouting etc. to be made and even then it would need a lot of tuning and sorting out.

Is it ready yet? - No. You will know when it's ready.

What's happening at the moment? - From what I've read of the whole thing they're trying to iron out kinks with the linux Haret thing thats going to run Android. After they've got it to boot, they're going to have to try and get android working with the HD2. This is why it's taking so long.

so yeah.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] terminal 7:
hey??

yeah but..

this is the xda DEVELOPERS forum

and this is the HD2 DEVELOPEMENT section

so i guess the linux android development thread does what its supposed to !!

i know its frustrating and you like me want android on the hd2 but to be honest i i find half the fun is the bloody long wait and the small progressions that are made, thats how we learn.

:)=====PEACE=====:)

edit >> ok looks like this thread was useful after all - my wrong !! .. :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] x omega:
**shrug**

A mod can move it elsewhere if needs be, I was just getting sick of all the feuding going on between people who wanted to talk about it and the developers yelling at the people who aren't posting about developing and thought it best to make a separate thread so non-developer people can talk about the project and developer people can drop in and give advice
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] terminal 7:
yeah

actually you got a point.

theres a fair ammount of flame grill on the other thread that does get annoying

i subscribe to the other thread so i get an instant email for every post and i get my email on my hd2 just as you would a text message so it can be a pain.

:)=====PEACE=====:)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Zepiii:
Ha finally found again this topic.

I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!

I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...

Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594

Good luck and all my best !

Zepiii
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] webjunky:
i hope we get android on our HD2's with spb mobileshell 5.0 :p :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Tigrouzen:
All about Gizmondo.com or Gizmondo.fr its bull**** !!

This web site works for Apple its sure !!

Edit : mistake but im sure about Gizmondo :D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dr_derqami:
Ok
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] simranjits:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pack21:
Like Android would be wounderfull to have WebOS runing on HD2...a beautifull simbiose with outlook and Itunes integrations.....and push notifications...and light apps for everythink.

I dreaming with that.:D
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] pablo11:
Careful now mate. Watch what you say!:rolleyes:
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fards:
Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.

Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!

otherwise...

stop being so bloody rude!

Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!

if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zabique:
I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:

why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.

thanks
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] brooon:
Ooooh dear...i´m still wondering why people are that damn lazy these days, not reading just one line in threads that are having 709 posts at this moment...don´t you people think that there should be a 100 percent-likelihood (in a developers-forum!) that another big brain spits out such ideas? exactly 1.000 other so called "newbies" have mentioned this point in the past few weeks...sometimes in every third post, again and again, without having read what other people have posted one line above. This is not about beeing a newbie or not, this is just about a little respect to the developers, serving nice presents to all of us without getting paid for it. what you guys can do for them? well, the first step should be not to spam around questions that already have been answered 1000 times before...instead go and read through the replies and at the end, when you are sure that there is no answer yet (after using the search function too, of course)...THAN ask your question or type in your comments and I think everbody will thank you for your participation in this community.

Sorry zabique, of course this is not against you ;) ...but after reading exactly the same line for the 20st time/last two weeks there was no inhibition of my fingers typing these lines possible ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jamieeeee:
i have a lot of respect for those developers, i die a bit inside every time a noob asks how it is going and **** like that.. anyway its nice they are working on it and i hope they succeed! dual boot windows / android would be really cool to have! i will surely donate if its working.. but to who should i donate? maybe its an idea to make a sort of bounty (lets say i will give $20 for getting android on hd2) and someone else also $20. thats 40 in total. if that 40 is shared and given to the developers that have worked on that project it would be a stimulation for them i guess.. only i dont know what developers are working intensively..

anyway my reward will be $20

more of you are going to join?

maybe its an idea to add the totall's of the $$ and the name who gives what in the first post?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] simranjits:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Tigrouzen:
Of course with the guy who have your thinking psychologically, we have the desire to continue working.

Maybe now you know guys who are better and who are willing to take the trouble to come and work for free for fun, to the delight of members!

If this is not the case, then dont write!

I think you're not an adult, easy to dictate but to do the works is another thing.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] fards:
all you know is nothing...

so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bbezja1:
actually he is quite right. if you have any idea what developers are talking about then you can see that all they do is guess in trial and error style. but aparently you dont have any idea
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tonyjansen:
From the viewpoint of a software architect, it's indeed hard to watch the other thread without crinching every once in a while. On the other hand, the plan of attack there seems to be part of a culture that has done stuff like this quite succesfully with other challenges.

So i won't be surprised if we eventually get a nice port of android running on the HD2.

Mind you, i do believe that an undertaking like this would need the infrastructure, tools and mindset like the main android project has in place at the moment. But that would require a "DEVs and Testers only" door policy.

Simply put, the other thread here lets the lesser gods put their 2 cents in too. I'm cool with that.

BTW, i do not approve of any condescending remarks about the the other thread, nor do i wish to make my own through this mail.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] dr_derqami:
newbie

Ok
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] snipey:
I am somewhat surprised by some of these remarks. First off, even if the programming skills of the people playing with linux is not "as good as" it is still an opensource free for all attempt to get it running. In what way is it constructive criticism to go ahead and say, well you guys suck, but I cant do it. Somewhat of an I R L33T comment before returning to you're second life in WoW.

Any attempt, even the lousy ones, is welcome. I thought it was in the mindset of these forums to stimulate development, not harass or insult those whom try.

@simranjits you my friend are a pessimist and a moron.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] cp_kirkley:
His spelling needs work, but his thought is right on the money.

Simranjits, all disrespect intended, I think I speak for the majority of us when I say that I believe you to be a trolling douche. Stop bad mouthing the action takers on this forum until you have some ideas of your own to contribute. These people donote hundreds of non paid hours to upgrade our phones in ways that they are not designed to do. Things like, well, creating OGL drivers and porting entire operating systems. When you have nothing to follow in the way of blueprints this is quite difficult, and yes it requires discussion, before action, so that they dont blow up your phone in your ungrateful snide-remarking schnoz.

So please, either enlighten us with your epic reverse engineering skills, or shut your yowling trap.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ozkaya:
I also think building up a reward pool is a nice idea. Can the original poster collect these rewards in the first post? My reward for a successful android port will be $50.

edit: hmm, after I posted this, I saw that other bounty threads are closed by the moderator, so maybe it's not such a good idea to post these here.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] zarathustrax:
Wanted to bump this thread. Use this thread to ask questions or discuss the the Android port being worked on.... not the developers thread.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] mazzarin:
Ah so this is the mythical other thread they were referring to ;)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nzxtneo:
While its not an identical match, 5 bucks says the HTC EVO 4G's (Supersonic) rom will definitely help with the Android port to the HD2. If nothing else I am sure it will help fix some bugs once Android does get ported.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-is-sprints-android-powered-knight-in-superphone-armo/

Here are some comparison shots:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/23/htc-evo-4g-vs-hd2-and-desire-fight/

(Remember just because the HD2 and the HTC EVO 4G look similiar on the outside doesn't mean they are the same on the inside)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] ShadyHaitien:
I agree. Exactly what I was coming on here to post.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris5932:
We will have to wait for the Rom to come out..

Lets just hope that there are some similaritys!

Any info when the Evo 4g is going to hit the market?

A rom will probably leak around that time.

I think it will take a long time to run android on the HD2 if this device won't help us.. even if it looks pretty nice compared to what work had to be done on the TP2
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] nzxtneo:
Sprint is saying Summer 2010

http://now.sprint.com/evo/?ECID=vanity:evo
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jamieeeee:
the dev's said its not going to help becouse it has different hw like battery, our hd2 doesnt have wimax, hdmi output and stuff like that.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] bigberta:
Right, so why would we need drivers for that? :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tids2k:
its not like that ... since the radio is different, the rom is not completely obsolete. the only thing left to do is to make drivers .. :P
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] noofny:
just watching the thread........................
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] terminal 7:
visualy similar phones

hi

i had high hopes for the supersonic or evo4 and what it might bring to the hd2 in terms of porting android.

but when you take a look at the 2 devices its a bit like comparing the original HTC TOUCH ( nike ) to the HTC TATTOO.

they both appear very much the same but thats it !

the picture here shows how much alike the old TOUCH mk1 is in looks to the new htc TATTOO..
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris5932:
I guess the evo 4g will still help to create those drivers we need?!
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tids2k:
yes we will work on it ... but the official support in thread is closed. im not going to update and discuss any development about the port anymore . all the updates will be on the irc channel and within closed doors.

if we have any progress, we will let you guys hear about it .. and about my rude comments i apologize to all . In the end " We are porting just for you guys :( "
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] jamieeeee:
i understand your response to the people there. i wish all of you developers the best of luck in porting it.. and a big THANKS for all your work so far :)
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] chris5932:
I think this is a good idea..

Alle the people asking "when can we run android on hd2", it wouldn't have stopped anyways...

It's better you sit together without being annoyed and keeping us posted!

But its maybe harder for ppl with knowledge to join the discussion also :rolleyes:

Anyways!

Have a good day
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tids2k:
thanks for support guys, we will continue the development furthur but it will be in closed doors as i described before, unless until something productive and ready to use will come we will post it ! right now .. we have come to a stage where we have a bootable linux image the problem is with the new snapdragon platform .. had it been the old arm stage it would have been easier. anyways we are not loosing any hopes nor do we want you guys to loose any and hopefully we will have a bootable android image before supersonic comes to the market .. so wait for the surprises to come .. cheers.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] scroful:
cool

in french ! "bravo et bon courage pour votre travail exceptionnel que biens des personnes n'arrivent pas à comprendre la valeur"...resteront à l'ecoute patiamment...

Merci d"avance pour les resultats futurs...
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] vtecbros:
this is good to hear, i am selling my new nexus becuase i just got the new t mobile htc hd2

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[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] drownage:
dont have one, but am planning on getting one... but dont wanna if android cannot be ported...

has anyone here who has it tried haret and a generic android initrd on it to test if atleast there are no kernel panics?
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] tids2k:
dear all,

we are not inclined towards donations, however if you want to donate, donate to the indivisual developet this way this would keep away the confusions if any. cheers. i would also suggest that you guys donate only pnce we have working android image on hd2. cha.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] vodanhdaisu:
I'm pretty sure i'm gonna donate requirement in order to download the android image for my HD2 when it's officially released and run smoothly on HD2 :)

Keep on your great-work, mates :)

PS: Sorry for off-topic or interrupt your work.
[HD2 Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting and Genera] Wisefire:
Glad to see this project is in place, I am picking up an HD2 Tuesday, I currently use a G1. It's a little upsetting to lose the Android that I've grown to love, but hope lives on that the HD2 will soon run Android.

I saw a comment about having trouble with the Snap Dragon processor, correct me if I am wrong, but could you possibly look at the Nexus One for answers considering it runs Android on the Snap Dragon as well?