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[HD2 General] .::EmreE::.:
Hi..

Ive got 2 very very annoying problems with my device and hope you can help me :(

1.The screen does not turn off when I'm talking with someone,usually.This is so annoying that my cheek presses buttons..

2.When I'm reading a message from HTC Messages section,the text intersects with the time stamp of the message.. :((

I need help please and would be soo greatful if you do.
[Nexus One General] lankri:
Hi,

I success to connect the nexus to the parrot 3200 for car. I am able to call and receive call.

Did someone is able to listen music from the Nexus to his radio speaker? :rolleyes:

Thanks in advance
[Nexus One General] wjax:
I can hear the voice of the people I am talking to, but they cant hear me. So I think there may be a problem with Nexus and my Parrot CK3000
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
No need to hide. This phone has many problems, still many people seems to ignore them completely. No need to start the "It's your phone, it's strange, I use it a lot and it never happens" saga. The problems are there. And for everyone. The fact you don't notice some bad behaviours doesn't mean the phone is perfect or that your baby is exempt from problems. Let's start:

1) Suboptimal WI-FI performance. On a 802.11g wireless network, connected to an 8Mbps internet connection, the phone can't even saturate the badwidth of the network. Speedtest.net reports an approximate 2Mbps download capacity (EDIT for those who cannot distinguish: 2 megabits, not megabytes). Test it yourself: try to download something from a fast website and try to figure out which is your maximum download transfer speed. You will be disappointed. As a comparative, this means the phone can use 1/4 of the available bandwidth. A SonyEricsson Satio can fully use the available bandwidth, instead (someone told me "tell me a phone that can do it. Now you have one).

2) Stanby freeze: it's there. The phone freezes randomly while in stanby draining all your battery juice. Sometimes happens rarely, sometimes happens frequently.

3) Poor memory space handling: after just 20 days of use from a fresh ROM update, my free memory space on ROM is just 36MB. Without installing big things or hacking anything. Sure, there are fixes produced by the community, log cleaners, temp files deletion utilities, etc. etc. Still, it's a quite a disappointement: it means this phone can't work properly in a "factory state" for much time.

4) "Always on" features: nice, apart the fact in random periods of time the services just stop to download data. The Twitter client doesn't work well. Sometimes you can hear a tweet sound, sometimes it downloads data without the sound, sometimes it downloads nothing until reboot.

5) Poor stability in general: the OS crashes frequently. Less frequently than the first shipped rom. Still it's not very stable.

6) Poor support in general with the updates: finally the SMS stuck problem has been fixed but they spent 3 months for it without a valid solution. The camera fix doesn't hide the fact the sensor is defective.

I don't say this to start a flame, of course, but only because I'm frustrated with these problems. And people, instead of spreading words about them, just pump the hype, including some notorious web sites that have no scope but pushing the hype even further. But the truth is another: this phone doesn't work as expected.
[HD2 General] LittleH79:
I honestly do not have the problems you're describing..

Your "truth" is very different from mine, but ne1 is allowed to have no :)
[HD2 General] jonbaker76:
Can't comment on all those, but i hear you, defo had some of them and i'm on my 2nd unit after 2 weeks.

With Nokia it took them at least 6 months to iron out the flaws in their released phones, defo the case with N95 & N96, i didn't expect it to be the case on this phone.

SMS fix? is it? or only in 1.66, because the hotfix's don't work on the 1.44 ROM

I would like to add the Audiobooster problem to that list
[HD2 General] antaed:
well, I don't pretend mine is perfect but there are more things to love than to hate about it. regarding the problems, I think you cannot generalize because I've never experienced some of your issues but I'm bothered by other myself. finally I guess it's just a subjective call anyway...
[HD2 General] gregwee:
I had some of your problems when my HD2 was on the original 1.48 WWE Hong Kong ROM. However, since I flashed HSPL, Merlion LEO V1.90 ROM and Radio version 2.07.50.27_2, it's been faster and absolutely stable. No more freezing/"Sleep of Death"/etc... :D
[HD2 General] Ouzo:
That one really annoys me too. Still can't find a way to get video and audio in sync without manually adjusting the offset whilst encoding. And HTC still can't get the hang of getting Audiomanager to handle AAC files properly (ie sort albums in track order, or show.their album art). Still, it's a lot quicker than my Touch Pro was ; )
[HD2 General] Batas:
Yeap! I'm very happy that I could be refunded. Too many bugs for such a device.
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
^

If you want something that works out the box, get an iPhone
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I have none of your issues and i can prove it with tests and videos.

I wish i had an "unlike" button to use it here. You are frustrated because either you don't know how to work with this phone or you have some bad software or even a bad phone. Replace it!

You are emitting false statements here!

PS: I have the phone for 2 months.
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
I'd love to see a phone or device that was perfect.

Every piece of hardware has its own problems.
[HD2 General] dgtel2:
I've been waiting for so long for someone to start a thread entitled as "Let's face it: HD2 has many problems". Eagerly watching this thread for some positive and negative input.

All in all, HTC Sense is at it infant stage. This "is" the culprit. Perhaps by end of this year, we will worship it someday...

To the developer/creator of HTC Sense, please use your common "sense" when trying to convince people to buy your idea. The first major mistake was SMS failure. Totally non-Sense.
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
1. have to say the WiFi (at work) is slow (2.2Mbps) but speedtest.net is SO unreliable I'll hold off commenting until I try at home tonight on my O2 LLU connection.

2. never had it

3. doesn't happen to me, currently got 107MB free of storage and 266MB of program memory free

4. other than Twitter client being a bit crap it's fine

5. mine doesn't crash

6. updates are fine but I've not had any of the issues others have had in the first place, less so now running a custom ROM
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Return your phone and get an iphone/android device.

This kind of issues, even if I haven't myself had most of those you list, have been around with EVERY WM phone that has been made.

Of course WM is far from perfect, but as someone already said to me the advantages far outweigh them, and I can live with them and the need for tweaking.

1) Wifi speed, show me one phone that can transfer at full G speed. The processing power/memory bandwidth/flash memors speed can't handle that.

It also depends a LOT of the software used.

I do get 1-1.5MB/s (8-12Mbps) transfer on wifi between the HD2 and one of my home computers, with WiFi remote access, and on balanced wifi performance. With Resco explorer, I get 150kB/s...

2) Never had one.

3) Depends... could be just normal, now that the album and browser caches have reached their limits, and would stop there. Stock ROM has a lot of useless stuff on it.

etc...
[HD2 General] btyeh:
Sense is fine, but the vanilla Win6.5 fails hard.

And if this thread gets to about page 5, it would probably just turn into another Leo vs iPhone flame war.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
For the WiFi "problem": ~ 2 MByte /s is just the normal average speed, even with my laptop I won't get much more on 802.11g .. It also depends on with how many other devices you share your WiFi-channel.
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
What is manila win6.5?!?! Do you even know what manila is? manila = sense!!!
[HD2 General] jonbaker76:
I think there are a lot of 'duff' units, this must be the case with the 'sleep of death' and the crackley call as many of had it but most don't.

I took mine back, got a new one yesterday, no crackles no sleep of death... yet

But true, there are always gonna be problems, it will take months before a near perfect firmware, sorry, rom is out
[HD2 General] ticalo:
Thank god for my HTC HD2. No problem here beside the screen shaking. But I hardly notice it.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
SonyEricsson Satio, for example. I download at 900Kb/s with it on the same network (using the same browser, Opera Mobile 10 Beta 3). Poor implementations doesn't mean it's not possible. Do we need 4Ghz quad core processors to use a wireless g network? Obviously not.

A bad behaviour, even when happens at factory settings is still a bad behaviour. You have a strange definition of "normal". Surely a phone that in 20 days saturate all the available space on the rom cannot be considered "normal". It's a poor implementation of things. A good implementation would have addressed it from the start by allowing the user WHERE to store that files or giving him an option to clear that files without an hard reset. No, it's not normal. Software design it's a much more complicated thing than those "normal" things.
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
You know you have problems when your best programs are Hd2tweaks, Bsbtweaks and Resco registry editor. And you are continually wiping out your system and trying new roms. Although Xannytech evolution was a good one.
[HD2 General] btyeh:
Or do I mean vanilla? Sorry probably meant vanilla (as in the basic factory-default product).
[HD2 General] ivo34:
I haved more problems than yours with the custom 1.48swe,but,with the 1.66swe don´t have any problems,I´m very happy my hd2!!........uncheck proxyserver conection and twitter will works fine!!:D
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
worth remembering that on wifi with security enabled, around 40% of the total downloaded data is overhead and not 'actual' data.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
With my laptop with an 8Mbps (megabits, remember, not megabytes) internet connection, I download at 900KB/s or even more over a wireless g LAN. With my SonyEricsson Satio I download at the same speed of my laptop. With my HD2 I can only download at a fraction of the available bandwidth (120Kb/s or less). This means the wireless hardware of the HD2 is:

1) Poor quality.

or

2) Bad implemented.

Oh, and 2Mb is not "2 megabytes". Is 2 Megabits. Quite different.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
You're welcome. I remember I'm not here to start a flame. Just to hear positive criticism (and when positive criticism goes negative, well it's worth it too. :D )
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
I've never had issues with the speed on wifi, everything is pretty much instant. I have enabled the 'n' support in BSBtweaks, but it doesn't provide a massive leap as its as quick as my laptop.

Never had this happen, the device is on 24/7 and I've had it for a couple of months.

I have 60Mb free, have all Twitter, Facebook, Youtube and Album fully up to date, as well as a plethora of apps (although not as many as I had on my X1, as a lot of them are 'built in')

Not had any issues here either, the only thing that didn't update for the first couple of days was the weather location, but this is working fine and is pretty accurate.

I have 1.43.206.4 and have only rebooted after applying tweaks. I did have one lock up, but that was after installing an old app I had.

I have both of these applied, and they were the first two things I did, so cannot comment. The camera is far superior to my X1's, but of course, if I wanted to take decent photos, I use my dSLR, not a phone.

Works far better than I expected, and I read in excess of 30 reviews prior to purchase.
[HD2 General] yeancheant:
The HD2 is not perfect but its as close as you can get at the moment and I think HTC should be applauded fir their effort. The previous phones were simply not good enough and this is their first effort which truly is usable.

I expected to see this thread and immediately a few things go through my mind such as the phons could be even faster or responsive but certainly none of the problems mentioned. O have gone through countless pda phones over the last 5 year and this is the first time I am staying put with a stock ROM. Granted the SMS problem was a kamikaze act and any smaller company would have had a premature death but HTC was big enough to weather through that.

But elsewhere my browsing is incredible. Twitter works perfect and so does email etc. I have my own complains but certainly none in your long list.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Have you measured the download speed? "Pretty much instant" is not a unit of measure. Really. 2Mbps is "pretty much instant" like an 8Mbps bandwith. Still there are obvious differences. You won't notice any problems on a mobile browser. Still, you're downloading at 1/4 of the available bandwidth on an 8Mbps connection. Claims like "I have never had issues" are unuseful when not supported by some form of tests with at least a number to show.
[HD2 General] Volw:
I have no issues with the speed over WLAN as well. Youtube plays almost instantly, VNC works fine, pages load instantly. So tell me, why would I want to measure (or ***** about) the speed if it's fast?
[HD2 General] kruithofm:
The only real problem I have is that i need to charge the batery every 2 days.... on my good old nokia 6500c i only needed to recharge after 1,5 weeks. But then again, I did only use it for something i just foud out you can also do with the HD2..... Voice chat :)

The problems will be solved eventualy... it is new stuff for WM.
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Performing a speed test over one wifi/broadband connection is not a valid test either.

Have you considered the latency of your router hardware and configuration when communicating with the HD2 hardware?

Have you considered the physical distance between you and the router?

Have you considered the physical or radio based interference and/or obstacles between you and the router?

Have you considered the number of aerials and direction of said in relation to your HD2?

Have you compared it directly to another phone of the same Wifi hardware specs?

Have you compared it to the theoretical maximums of your broadband speed or the physical? Physical distance, quality of hardware and cabling, mixed with the load on the DSLAM and exchange network will all contribute to your supposed "speed".

Nothing will work to the maximum bandwidth, as overheads, packet quality and physical variables will all adversely/conversely affect your data streams.

I take it that you are aware that a 54Mbp/s compliant Wifi enabled laptop will *never* use the theoretical maximum of 54Mbp/s?

If it works to the needs of the user, why bother with a comparison?
[HD2 General] derScheich:
Well, smack my ass and call me Judy, that's some awesome news :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Because having no issues doesn't mean a thing works like expected.

I use the phone over LAN to download some big files when I cannot use my laptop for some reasons. Fact is: I can download them full speed with a Satio, I can't with my HD2. Now, they're both advertised like "wireless G compliant". If a phone is wireless G compliant, I expect to work like every devices on a wireless G network. It's like if your 1Ghz processor works at 800Mhz. You have no issues, still it doesn't work at its full potential. Does this answer to your question?

Measuring wireless performance with youtube is like measuring graphical performance using a 2D program.
[HD2 General] trondkk:
I have to disagree with the Leo being a troubled device. But this is of course based on my personal experience. Others may certainly think differently (and even be right about it...).

I may just have been lucky with my device.

I have the original ROM (still 1.48 since I experienced no SMS-problems at all) but it is heavily tweaked with various apps and registry edits.

The 75 available program-slots available in the today-screen with the ingenious Co0kie's Home Tab are all filled up with programs and games of variyng types and ages. And I actually still have more apps installed in addition to the 75 on the Home Tab. Some programs have followed me for many years as a PocketPC user and still works flawlessly.

3D drivers and memory tweaks makes the Leo the first PocketPC/WinMo device to actually supersede my expectations.

I have been a devoted user since the late 90's and even though I have been very happy most of the time there has always been things that has annoyed me about all my previous devices, like sluggishness, "crappy" GUI and unstable OS.

On MY Leo all this is gone - a beautifully tweaked Sense UI, enhanced graphics and icons in the task- and traybars, blazing gfx performance with the 3D drivers installed, FingerKeyboard2 and an utterly stable OS (even with "countless" apps installed) makes the Leo an absolute joy to use. I'm *almost* in love with it.

As to WLAN-speed it would be nice to have this improved but 2 mbit/s is more than enough to satisfy me on a mobile device.

So, that's my 5 cents worth...
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
So a wireless G printer will provide the same performance as a wireless G network attached storage unit?

Please, read up on compliancy requirements and regulatory information in regards to the Wifi standards.

My laptop uses speed-step technology, so it may well run at 300Mhz, even though it is rated at 3Ghz, for power savings and efficiency. So yes, it does run as expected.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
I told you that the tests are made in the same conditions of the other phone / laptop. No need to take into account things like these. It's unuseful. Also, in an home "distance" doesn't drop the bandwidth from 8Mbps to 2Mbps. Be assured. We're not measuring latencies in millisecond, we're measuring a simple download speed with 3 devices: the other 2 download at 980KB/s, the HD2 downloads at 120KB/s. All the rest is fluff.

Why bother on being here, then? And which needs? Yours or mine?
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
I'm on this forum to assist others where I can, not to *****. Be assured.

The comment in regards to comparisons and user wish was in regards to the speed test you seem to be hung up about, not in regards to the device itself.
[HD2 General] thatg:
combine this hardware with the software updating and bug fix awareness of apple and youve got a winner. aka iphone summer 2010
[HD2 General] ryuu55:
The HD2 isn't perfect, but I am very happy with mine:D. Sure I have to restart my data connection every once and a while, but it's still a kick-ass device. The data connection issue may or may not get worked out, but still the best device I have owned to date. Up until now my "old" Axim x51v was the best PocketPC, IMO no other smartphone could surpass. The HD2 is the first device that killed the Axim (once again my opinion).
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
I'm comparing an HD2 (a phone) to a Satio (ugh, another phone). Comparing apples with oranges don't validate your reasoning about the problem.

A printer is an orange, a phone is an apple. Both use the standard "fruit", but eventually we were comparing apples only. So leave the printers to the printing world (and compare printers with other printers, not with phones).

I'm interested in internet devices only, so no, it doesn't work as expected. It just works suboptimally.

For the tests, please use:

http://text.dslreports.com/mspeed

It's a test that uses text only data, so it's very accurate (no overhead for Flash or other things. Just pure download speed).
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
As with wireless technology as a whole, there can be a number of issues regarding hardware. It's like routers and adapters from the same manufacturer work better than mixing and matching. It could be something as simple as the wireless card in the HD2 not being as good as other phones, it might be the way WinMo address the card. From what I've seen there's no difference in the way I browse compared to my old N97.

Using a speedtest (especially speedtest.net) as a benchmark for it being worse than other devices is a poor choice. Why on earth would you want to download a large to a phone? It literally makes no sense!!

End of the day, this is a phone. If you want to download large files at speed, use a PC/Mac - it's what they've developed over years of R&D. Smartphones are still in their infancy and although some are better wirelessly than the HD2 is it enough to kick off about? Really?...
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
I'm a little late to this conversation, but let me say that I did have difficulty with my HD2 using stock ROMs, but I bought this phone knowing that xda developers existed. Without this oasis, I would have bought something else, quite literally. IF it weren't for all the folks here cooking up great ROMs and tweaks, the HD2 would be a problematic phone in some respects, but the great thing is that it can be tweaked and updated a lot easier than the iPhone, which is probably what I would have bought after coming from Symbian and all its headaches.

Symbian is no where near as flexible or tweakable as WM, and there isn't much room for it in the iPhone OS either for that matter. At the risk of being flamed, I am a huge fan of Apple and I use a PowerBook every day. I love the design esthetic that Apple brings to their products, and I can and do run multiple OS configurations on it quite easily.

When I told my brother (a serious Windows user who also has an HTC WM phone) that I was going to buy an HD2, he said, "I thought you'd buy an iPhone!" because he knows me.

The fact is that I realized the potential that the HD2 has, and for all it brings to the table, I don't think there is a better phone on the market today. Period. The members of this forum have helped to make it even better than I could have imagined.

Every product has shortcomings, but I'd say the HD2 is close to perfect.

For the record I do hate the UI of Windows Mobile, and I do love Sense. I'll sacrifice a little speed for the aesthetic and ease of use which Sense brings to WM, and I do not regret purchasing this phone one bit. Every month, the chefs here cook up improvements for us.

With every other phone I have owned, I was at the mercy of the manufacturer to provide updates, and they were few and far between. I got one official update to my Symbian phone a week before I sold it.