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[Nexus One General] rossiscatch:
while this is true, I notice that android's threshold for closing programs is lower than I prefer. It seems to start closing programs at around 25 mb free (on stock kernel and rom) as reported by ES strong's task manager. At this level there is a noticeable amount of sluggishness on my N1. Of course this only lasts for perhaps 10 seconds or so as I am switching apps or whatever until android closes the processes to free up some ram.

I've read comments like yours many times, and I go back to not using one for a while thinking I must just be paranoid. Each time I return to the task manager because I get ticked about sluggishness.

If you manage your ignore list carefully to avoid closing stuff you actually want running in the background you lose nothing. The phone is fast enough that it loads apps quickly even if they're not sitting in the ram, so I prefer to hit the autokill widget once in a while or after using something like the youtube app or other resource hogging apps that I don't use on a regular basis.

I haven't noticed a difference in battery life, but the task manager improves my experience with the phone. It seems that as long as the free memory stays around 40+ I don't see the sluggishness.
[Nexus One General] chocodip:
Which task killer you use?
[Nexus One General] chocodip:
My screen always in lowest light mode......i will try to install the advance task....hope it deos help abit.
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
Advance task manager also lets you set a timer for auto closing all open apps except for the ones you have on your exception list.
[Nexus One General] jongie123:
Try Juice Defender,is free on the market and everytime you turn the screen to sleep it kills the background data to save battery and @ wake-up its normal again.Read the reviews.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
I've got over 400 hours of uptime without closing ANY apps with a task killer, and haven't had ANY sluggishness. So if you're really noticing your phone slowing down (and be honest), then I'd exchange it. Frankly, I think a lot of people just "think" their phone is slowing down...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Cyanogen says don't use a Task killer!
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
So if cyanogen says jump of a bridge you would? lol

Just messing with you. :p
[Nexus One General] chocodip:
I ve installed the Juicedefender and advance task manger......hope meanwhile there will be sthg better. Battery usage is killing me....
[Nexus One General] rossiscatch:
Yeah, I'm sure you're right.. it's all in my head. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
Couple of things OP:

1. Bluetooth is a battery hog!

2. How frequent do you have email update, weather update, et al set to?

3. Did you properly calibrate your battery meter when you got your N1? (Two ways to do it, 1) follow the in box guide and charge the phone before using or 2) run down the battery until the phone shuts itself off, pull battery out, put it back in. Now, without turning it back on, put it on the charger and leave it on for a couple hours past the green light coming on, take off charge, finally turn back on)

4. Do you have WiFi running? GPS? Streaming anything?

Have you downloaded any apps from the market just on a quim? There are some pretty bad apps that will never close until you uninstall and do a soft reset, and sometimes uninstall again.

Killing apps is actually going to hurt your battery. It takes more juice to power up the CPU to open an app then it does to hold it in the RAM, unless it is a crap written app that keeps running, and running, and running... but you shouldn't be using those apps anyways.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
It most likely is... even when apps sit idle in RAM, the CPU usage for them is 0% in almost every case. Like I said... I don't have those issues at all, so it's either in your head or you have a dud.
[Nexus One General] rossiscatch:
I don't think it's a problem with my phone. If you don't notice then good for you. I notice it and it bothers me. Your finger pointing is neither helpful or needed.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Fingerpointing? I'm trying to help with what might be a "defective" phone.
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
Android Dev's also say don't use task killers:

http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/5db787045a12e7e1?pli=1
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
I've tested this (I was bored) and there is no 'over time' slowdown present (there was an issue with compcache but its no longer used in most ROM's). Using various benchmark programs such as linpack, I can reproduce zero slow down whether I've freshly rebooted, or been up for 100+ hours (with and without killing apps). This fact is undisputed, and the only people that say otherwise really do not know what they're talking about. (Its also not a defective phone, unless its always slow.)

The one caveat is people running insane amounts of widgets on their homescreens. By this I mean all 5 screens filled with widgets. This can cause some graphical sluggishness when returning from an app to the home screen, but usually once loaded back, moving from screen to screen is fine again.

App Killers are not necessary, and regularly killing all of your apps only seeks to slow your experience down, cause problems (no alarm), and is unnecessary effort on your part. I have had some apps that don't sleep correctly, but app's like "Quick System Info" and "OSMonitor" still allow you to close that rogue app from time to time.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Agreed 100% with all your points... they mirror what I'm trying to get at. The OP, however, thinks that apps running in the background will use more battery, which I disputed by pointing out that even when apps remain idle and unused in memory, the processor load is 0%... so there's little to no impact on the battery life.
[Nexus One General] SiNJiN76:
I noticed that on the stock ROM when the memory gets low...youtube/video camera videos would be slooooow...but the audio would play fine. That's without a task-killer.

True...the phone itself would still be quick...but try playing a video. There are problems there.
[Nexus One General] chocodip:
At last, i have ROOTED with 5.0.4-N1 test2 (THKS to CyanogenMod)

I have installed the Auto Mem app too, hope it will be a good start from today onward~~
[Nexus One General] gtrplr71:
use auto killer it will help the sleep poloicy on your phone work properly!
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Cuz... it doesn't work properly without that app?
[Nexus One General] chocodip:
i ve installed the "Screebl" seems perform pretty good on battery saving.
[Nexus One General] psylink:
i've run advanced task killer and screebl on stock

since rooting i added setcpu in the mix

i decided today at 8:30am est to kill advanced task killer and go w/ just screebl and setcpu. its now 1:30am and i'm sitting at 36% battery life. with advanced task killer, my phone would be dead by now (since rooting and going to CM latest stable, i noticed that the "auto kill with screen off" even on the highest kill setting hasn't worked like it did on stock also). so ya, i wont be running a task killer anymore.
[Nexus One General] bmj1086:
Straight from the android developers...

Wow you guys kill me with your constant sententiousness.

I will try my best to not be insolent while explaining this to you. Task killers are not needed. You can sit here and argue that it is but you're wrong. Your phone is NOT sluggish without using it. If you quit using the task manager with the mindset of it being sluggish then you're going to think it is. Let me ask you this. Why would a big company like Google develop such an advanced OS like Android without giving it the basic knowledge of managing tasks? This isn't Micro$oft. When you kill apps with a task manager all you're doing is clearing unneeded RAM. You don't need that amount of RAM available to run the apps that you call. As far as CPU, your CPU uses almost 0% to hold the apps in the RAM.

Since you don't seem to understand task management in Android or any OS for that matter, why don't you

take a look at this video of how Android manages applications straight from an Android developer.

http://developer.android.com/videos/index.html#v=fL6gSd4ugSI

if that's not enough for you to understand that you don't need a task killer then I don't know what else to say. If you pay attention to the video take your new gained knowledge and quit using the pointless task manager. If you think that a Task Killer is needed wouldn't you think that Google would include it in the OS like Windows Mobile does?

Another common thing that I see is the overusage of SetCPU. Let me explain a CPU to those of you who don't understand. A CPU that has a speed of 1ghz does not consistently run at 1ghz. If you have a car that can drive at 150mph does your car run at 150mph every time it's on? No. 1ghz means that your processor has the

availability

of using 1ghz. The most common thing I have seen is people using SetCPU to set their processor MAX for "screen off" mode. When your screen is off you're using just about 0% of your CPU. Your Live Wallpapers isn't running because it's not being viewed. None of your widgets are being used [except for those that update information]. The only thing using CPU is what you have running [eg. music, weather updates] The only reason to use SetCPU is for overclocking [don't know why it would be needed other than to show off] or setting a lower "Screen On" MAX speed. Even doing this isn't going to give you an enormous battery life boost. I use my phone more than most people and I have to charge it at least once during the day [after charging all night] because I listen to a lot of music and I do a lot of web browsing. I throttled my Max speed at 691mhz a week ago and still have it set. I have noticed about a 10% battery life increase and 0% decrease on responsiveness. 1ghz is a little overkill. The only reason I wanted this phone so bad is the 512 RAM that will hold my apps that I use consistently. It seems that everybody tries to get into being a "developer" or a "guru" that doesn't even understand simple computer technology. Hence the consistent nonsense being posted on this website.
[Nexus One General] psylink:
i have setcpu set standard until around 50% battery and then i drop the speed down, emailed dev asking if more battery/power presets would be available and he said the next release will have 2 more <power% settings.

i think one problem being, so many people/forums/sites say to get a task killer and that puts people in that mindset or they're already in that mindset (in my case from being a WM user). just a blind test throughout the day comparing to my normal useage and like i said before, w/o the task killer running, my battery has lasted A LOT longer.
[Nexus One General] rheza02:
removed advanced task killer and task killer because of this thread :)
[Nexus One General] bmj1086:
Good, now remember everything that the Android Developer mentioned and you will be fine. ;)
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
Welcome to the darkside!

If anyone needs to kill a task, ever, just use Astro, or even the built in task manager(it is hidden, but it is there... settings-apps-manage apps-filter-running-click on any of those, scroll down, force stop.... you just killed that app!)

I actually prefer the built in one myself, since it is easier for me to find what I am looking at, click on it, and close... don't have to worry about if I should have a box checked or not, or if I am closing stuff I shouldn't close.

But very rarely do I need to do this, or do I do this. Only if I downloaded an app, usually a game, that doesn't sleep properly, I will go in kill it, then remove it, and double check it is still not in those lists(I had a couple apps that really did not want to let me remove them, some light saber game, and a drum machine app, that I had to kill, remove, kill, remove, reboot, remove, and finally it was gone).
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
That video is excellent... and though I haven't done any programming for 8 years, back in undergrad, the way the different processes work (open, save states, close...as needed) within the framework is EXACTLY how I imagined it! :D

Thanks for the link bro.
[Nexus One General] bmj1086:
No problem ;)

I'm glad

they

explained it because nobody would listen to me.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Don't feel too bad mate... a lot of these noobs don't listen to me either. ;)
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Exactly! I use the built in task manager if needed (very rare) or Astro as a plan B (extremely rare).
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] nicandris:
Didn't found it anywhere in XDA so this is a heads-up. I'm not in the development crew, I'm just an enthousiast.

http://www.android-x86.org/

Tried it, it works flawlesly on my Asus EEE 901!! I installed in on an HP Pavillion. It even recognises the card reader/wifi/bluetooth/ethernet/camera! AMAZING!

Last Stable (1.6)

Last Eclair

Program to make a bootable USB:

UnetBootin

LiLi

Or you can create a VirtualBox Machine (Like i did. Instructions in their site)

Cheers
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] koffu:
I have tried it on eeepc701 - working well, but all stores have software only for ARM processor, not x86....
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] lgstoian:
Dalvik is a java vm you can run apk's on any architecture that runs it. I had it on my ecafe netbook. Had no isues installing any kind of software.
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] hitchmontana:
How can I install GoogleTV on Android X86 Honeycomb???
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] monsieurtalbot:
I actually think this IS on here somewhere... Just not really well explained... and in broken English... lol

I did this on my Acer aspire one 722 dual core netbook. (Using the Asus file, most things work except sound and mic)

Problem is, after a number of uses, SOMEHOW my boot sector became corrupt... and I had to repair using a Windows flash drive...

So, I would stick with RECOMMENDED machines only. Don't experiment unless you're ready to fix it. :-)
[Android Software/Hacking General [Developers Only]] ahzhang452:
Is it possible to install ics onto my acer aspire 4552 laptop?

I have a AMD Athlon II p340 processor

and a ATI radeon 4250 HD graphics card

thx :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] wael_mohesn:
Hi,

I have installed Win 6.5 Xnor 1.1.

Now i am facing a big problem. VGA card is not installed correctly.

1- When rebooting the PDA all the colors are displied in 256 Colors.

2- If i leaved the phone for 10 mintues, then the HTC sense load correctly and all themes running well, but

3- the PDA become non responsive, and non synchronouizable.

4- AirPlan mode always ON, and the phone is OFF

5- If i done some thing or open any thing all the PDA is hanging and after some mintues work again.

Or what is the resone of this error ???

Hint: I tried another ROM Upgrades, Even i tried the Factory ROM version. I am Still face the same problem.

Please Help Me !!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] CaponiND:
It looks like you have wrong SPL - please read THIS thread carefully and do exactly what is said here
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Agree with above post. Please post further queries in thread provided in post above

Thread closed
[Palm Treo Pro] PJonDevelopment:
I'm thinking of upgrading the Radio, but I haven't find anything about the Treo's Radio.

Any suggestion?
[Palm Treo Pro] 0nova:
Existing one is working fine. Why fix something that ain't broken ?
[Palm Treo Pro] trickbiker121:
how does upgrading a radio benefit the phone? like i want to know why people upgrade the radio on the phone does it change the phones frequency?
[Palm Treo Pro] devilcuban:
Radio pretty much helps improve Battery,GPS,DATA, and all that good stuff :). i havent seen any Radios out there for the treo pro tho.
[Palm Treo Pro] trickbiker121:
thx by data do you mean it can change 3g frequency because im on t-mobile and treo pro supports ATT's 3g not T-mobile
[Palm Treo Pro] devilcuban:
Nah it wont change it, it juts makes it more accurate sometimes and also improves the signal.
[Palm Treo Pro] trickbiker121:
ok thanks so much
[Palm Treo Pro] mssahota1986:
Pocket Radio

I'm Using Resco Pocket Radio v2.00, working perfect on my treo pro, also working on today screen.
[Palm Treo Pro] jsp_m:
^

|

LOL

its not this kinda radio
[Palm Treo Pro] 0nova:
'Radio' here means your GSM / CDMA / GPRS / EDGE radio...the component in your phone which enables your phone to connect to cell towers...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mac-devil:
-Mac's Glass Tablet IconSet-

06/03/2010:

Since i've been browsing this forum for a while now and got some intresting tweaks and apps, its time for me to contribute as well.

I'm not the binary guy, thats why i made some icons and will update as much as possi since ive have little spare time

here are examples of what they look like on few backgrounds(attachm.)

121 icons so far.

Hope Y'all like em.

Install:

-Use CSMI or JWDM icon changer to install th icons

download: Mac's Glass Tablet IconSet(rapidshare)(updated 121icons)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Rainbow86:
Nice icons

Hi...

Have to say your icons is nice, Downloading them now.

Rainbow86
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bankai03:
Nice work friend
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
Great work :D

Keep it up
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Dirk:
Not the Binary guy :D

Thanks for sharing, hope to see more work from you in future!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mac-devil:
Voila updated some more and if any request just says so and i'll try and get it done asap ;) enjoy
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] MiZi666:
great icons!!

but, can you please make a installable cab file?

this would be awesome!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] styx_riv:
Hi all,

can anyone plse upload to a more friendly link or maybe up here as a zip file...plse!! Thanks!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mrjazz:
great work

slider icons would be very much appreciated
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dnbcat:
Thank you for a great job! Your icons are fantastic!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] djcedric:
good work mate!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Pandemoniumone:
Nice work bro, thanks for sharing :)
[Nexus One General] SiNJiN76:
and I'm ADDICTED to XDA. Thank You. :D

Seriously...what I've got on my phone is working perfectly...but there are sooo many little, tiny updates that I won't even notice...and...I've gotta have it!

Once I think that I've got it all...someone puts up a new MOD! :eek: Does this phone/forum know no limits?!?! LoL!
[PDA2, XDA IIi, 2020i General] bournespark:
Hi all new to this web site. I have just bought an O2 XDA lli off ebay. Person said was working fine and was unlocked. Now when I got it out the box, charged it up from empty it booted up from fresh had to set it up. It finished installing everything. The signal icon at the top of the right side of the screen has an exclamation mark and says no service when taped.

In the phone settings i have tried putting it in manual but says can't read from network. It reconises sim fine.

I have tried upgrading the rom with one found on this site but says like wrong counrty code.

After things i've read, am i looking at a hardware problem or can some one help me find a solution if it's software. Please help me, I just want it to be a fully working XDA phone.
[PDA2, XDA IIi, 2020i General] kevcal:
Out of interest, which country are you in and what service provider.

I'm in England and on Orange - I use the deathnoise rom with no problems.
[PDA2, XDA IIi, 2020i General] abilgehan:
i have same problem , where we find this rom ?
[HD2 General] Logunleko:
I just downloaded Pocket Esword on my htc hd2 and it seems it has nt been modified for the screen resolution.It seem to be made for resistive screens where you have to use a stylus. It is difficult to select books, chapters and verses. All the boxes where you select are squashed and you can't make the selections you want. Is there any way this can be resolved so that it can be modified for WVGA screens resolution
[HD2 General] weenween:
It is no longer supported by Rick M. Version 3.20, his final version of pocket e-sword, is still usable for WVGA. However, the fonts are a little big. You may want to try Laridian's Pocket Bible. It is very good and useful.
[HD2 General] Logunleko:
Thanks for the response. I already have Laridian but I tell you Esword is the best. I have just tried to download the V 3.0.1 for WinMo 5 & 6 and it kept coming up with a notice that the resource was not available. I had to download the version for pocket pc 2003. I just hope that I would still be able to download the app and use even if Rick Meyer isn't supporting ???????

Que 2 :

Is there something that can be done from xda developer side to keep the Esword app going ??????

This is really impt as I can't imagine not having the bible app.
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HAFMaster:
Don't know if this has been posted or not yet, but here are a couple of useful Nexus One phone #'s:

HTC (for The Nexus One) 888-216-4736

Google Nexus One Support 888-486-3987

Both of these numbers are working numbers.

Hope this helps someone!

:D
[Nexus One Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TristanG007:
TRUE htc com www support nexusone
[Touch CDMA Android Development] sshark:
I am just cleaning out my PC and realized that I have never deleted any ROM that I downloaded in last 7-8 months. So I have bunch of ROMs in various formats (.img, .sqsh) for 1.1, Cupcake, Donut and Eclair.

Someone was asking about .sqsh file in other thread....If anyone wants it, I can upload them somewhere, but they do not have very good naming system, so you will be on your own to figure out.

It's freaking over 6.6 gb...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
I'm the same way. I've been downloading android roms for about a year now. Pretty much every build that has been available for the vogue. Still have them all. I even have every Windows mobile rom i have ever downloaded
[Touch CDMA Android Development] sshark:
So I guess I will go ahead and clear out mine...

EDIT: I'll just keep them anyway, it's a lot of work by lot of people for lot of hours!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crackeyes:
I woyuld like a copy of them all. I can host them on my site. I would alos load them all and see which is which. Just an idea
[Touch CDMA Android Development] larstnt:
/Offtopic

Sorry for the offtopic, but, incubus26jc's, what is the sms app you have in the 7th image of your signature?

/Offtopic
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
pure messenger widget