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[Windows Phone 7 General] Docwiz:
There is different levels of being locked down. Honestly, do you want your phone to crash or run out of battery power in a few minutes after you had a major accident on the freeway?

These are phones dude. You should not be allowed to do whatever you want. This is something that could be vital to your survival and life. Do you really want to trust your life on a device that is so open that apps can be written in a non trusted environment and that apps can stop your phone from working properly?

I am not an apple fan. I don't own an iphone and yes, I think it is locked down too much. You can still allow some freedom, but in a sandbox environment.

If I was a hacker that had an ego, what a better way to make a statement than to screw with your phone.

Viruses on Windows, who cares about that when you can have a huge number of phones and take control over them.

Some of you guys are not thinking through this. You are just being selfish.

I can't think of a more scary platform on the planet to lose my phone. My phone is my world. My computer is nice, but the phone is vital to everything in most peoples lives.

This involves work, family, friends. That is pretty much most peoples lives right there and you have their lives in your hands.

Windows mobile was made in 2000 when only a few businesses had them and now because of the iphone it is going to everyone and this is where viruses are the most worisome.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
thing is they obviously dont look into what is in the application, whats stopping somebody from adding something like this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=527423 to a some fun free game? it has nothing to do with common sense, if a waiter decides to put poison in your drink at a restaurant its not your fault for wanting a coke, ill admit i dont no the whole process of getting an app in android's store but they clearly need to regulate it better

and may i ask what applications Microsoft excluded because they don't like competition that you want/wanted?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Docwiz:
Well here is what I am saying... Wait a little bit.

Here is the deal. The mobile phone market is a very young market.

I mean very young and what is popular today may not be popular tomorrow.

Technology marches on, look at the Windows 7 phones, they have a standard GPU inside of every phone. That GPU can do amazing graphics like the Playstation or Xbox type of consoles and this is standard across every windows 7 phone.

This means you can write applications because there is a hardware standard and this hardware and software standard will be constantly evolving.

A year from now we might even have some cooler technology. Just like computers where you buy today and three years from now it is obsolete that is what is happening with the phone technology.

Unfortunately, that doesn't say anything about landfills and how much trash we throw away. However, technology is still growing.

I really have done a lot of homework on Android. A guy at work got a Motorola Droid and I thought I really need to check this out because I wanted one badly.

Well, the more research that I did, the more that I realised that it was all hype and hot air. My old phone is just a regular phone and I had looked at Windows Mobile a few years ago (back when it was still popular, before the iphone).

I am currently looking at phones and I have not decided yet, so I am waiting.

When Windows 7 Series phones were anounced I was interested but still have to wait until Monday or Tuesday to find out the full story on what I want to do.

Android just seems way, way over hyped. It is still about trying to take a desktop and put it on the phone, which is the wrong way to think about the phone UI.

The are tons of apps for Android, but most of them are crap and not worth downloading. I was really disapointed here. The applications are very low quality, sure there are a few that are decent, but I want more quality here. Quality over quanity and I really didn't see that.

Like I said, I feel that Android is nothing but Windows Mobile classic. It is years later and they haven't learned their mistakes like Micorosoft has thus far. That is a big deal for me. We have gone from too closed (iphone) to too open (android) and malware and viruses and non standard hardware and low quality applications all just the sake for being free and open source is just not enough for me. If I wanted this I would have been using a low quality linux distro years ago and linux has failed to impress me because it doesn't have anything different to offer me and no killer apps to even keep me interested.

The apple iphone did have some much higher quality apps than Android, but like people have said it is too locked down and I want more of a choice with phones and features (ie like a real keyboard).

We are going to be finding out next week, but I am feeling much better about Windows 7 Series thus far and I am excited about the future of the platform.

You should still be making some good applications with Silverlight 4 / XNA 4 / .NET and the other libraries that they put on there.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
09Droid wasn't a waiter at google, he was more like unibrowed fellow with a dozen "rolex" watches hanging inside his jacket in a Wal Mart parking lot.

The lack of regulation is a major selling point. Not everyone wants to outsource their personal safety to someone else; many of us prefer to exercise our own safety precautions. In exchange for safety, a regulatory body will always have you leave your liberty at the door.

Apple is notorious for locking out software competitors. If Microsoft goes down the road they are portending to go down, which is controlling the user experience rather than giving the user control over it, then it is just a matter of time. Without any example of chicanery on MS's part like Apple, I'm still completely unwilling to cede the power to them (or anyone else) to cut off my access to 3rd party software, because how would I protest if they did? Ditch my considerable investment in their platform and go elsewhere? That hurts me more than them.

I'm glad "controlled" works for you, but if you think that is what everyone wants, you lack perspective. I've been managing my computer and mobile experiences for 2 decades and managed my own safety, and I'm not looking for someone to outsource that to. Android's open nature (and winmo6's) is exactly what I'm after.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
ok 09droid wasnt the waiter he was just something on the menu, point is its not the consumers fault that the restaurant (google) allowed something with poison on the menu & ok 09driod may sound fishy for a bank app but whats stopping people from naming things differently or bundling something that can screw your phone up with a game?

major selling point with who, i dont know anybody with a droid thats ever mentioned that for why they wanted it, most people point out how its just like the iphone with all these apps

we are talking about microsoft here dont bunch them up with apple because u assume what they are gonna do if anything the smartest assumption would be that they are opposite, when ballmer was asked about flash on wp7 he said it wont be at lauch but they arent apposed to it & that they are working with them to get it done, maybe im wrong but isnt flash a competitor of silverlight?

Its seems that all microsoft wants is to make sure that things work on all devices & wont break your stuff, not to say no u cant put your app in our store like apple

yeah i hope it works also, no more random hard resets,no more needing to soft reset because an app was written poorly & froze my phone

you sure do assume alot, nowhere did i say or hint at everyone wanting a "controlled" environment & maybe its u that good for you im glad u have what works for you but i think what Microsoft is doing so far is the right thing as long as long as then give permission to devs that programs need to run in the background

and we all lack perspective when it comes to wp7 since we hardly know its limits
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
What's to stop someone from naming a website something deceptive? Nothing, they do it every day. And google (.com) will let you access it. Some of us want a mobile platform that gives us the freedom to make our own choices in a very similar light. Once a censorship regime is set up, they will eventually censor something you find harmless no matter how well intentioned they are. Guaranteed.

If I'd know that YOU didn't know anyone who liked Android's openness, I obviously would haven't cited it as an advantage. Because obviously it wouldn't be an advantage.

I "assume" nothing. I made a very specific point that went over your head. MS is trying to reorder their platform to emulate Apple with regards to control. Even you realize this, as you note below.

Another point you missed. No takes power from you to give you extra safety without taking away liberty. I'm guessing you're too young to understand the point, but at least you can acknowledge that it was made.

You said:

I assumed nothing. You stated outright that their open, anti-regulatory methods were

clearly

wrong. You couldn't be more clear about your opinion that a more controlled enviornment is needed. You want MS to protect you from the fake rolex sellers and the nigerian princes. That's a controlled enviornment. And it's not for everyone.

I don't care about your "knowledge" of a particular platform. Perspective is about understanding the world is bigger than your own preferences. You want someone to control your experience (you want MS to keep you safe from all the big baddies). I don't.

This is my final word on the matter

(as I don't have the patience to prove to you that YOUR way is not the only one), so feel free to have the last word on the argument for yourself, but my only, incredibly NON-controversial point is that I am not alone. Millions of people want applications along the Windows (and Mac and Linux) desktop model where THEY can choose their own programs without some central politburo pre-filtering their options.
[Windows Phone 7 General] havox22:
a website & an app in a app store have nothing to do with each other...how are they censoring things again?

we were talking about the lack of regulation in marketplace...this whole convo between us has been about the app store dont try to switch it up & no people most people dont care about the regulations, because its the developers who has to meet them

how are u not assuming?? unless you have some secret docs then you are assuming what they plan to do with there platform...and what kind of control are you talking about? because there is control with apple that says no you cant have your app in the store because we we already have something like it, but with MS its more no you cant change registries cuz you could mess somebody phone up

again what powers are they taking away? The only way they take away that freedom is to not allow the ability to side load apps & we arent discussing that we are talking about the marketplace, but the main point is a app store should be regulated like it is on wm6.5, yet that is a platform that u seem to like, but non of your freedoms are being taken away are they??

yes they are clearly wrong for an app store if they allow anything on it, no my opinion isnt that the environment should be controlled but the app store should

no i dont need MS to protect me from fake rolex sellers but if im going to a store that that sells rolex i expect it to be 1..there is a difference from buying something from a store & buying it from some guy on the street if u cant see that then i dont know what to tell you

Perspective is about how u see things & how do they control my experiences? im on 6.5 & since they launched there "regulated" app store i havent had any freedoms taken away

why are you trying to prove to me that my way isnt the only way? assuming things again are we? i never said that it is, just that in a marketplace it should be some sort of regulation

just like with food there are regulations & if u go to get food from the store you should know that it is safe, but if u decide to buy some oranges off the corner then thats on you

im not saying you are alone shoot im with with you,i want applications also im not saying limit what apps go in just at the very least the store should make sure they wont cause harm to you or your device

im sure if you went to best buy & bought some software, got home & installed it & it broke your cpu u would be pissed off & you call them asking why is something like that in there store & they just tell you that the people want freedom & next time do your homework on what you buy lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] pdcpa:
wait and see

I hate the whole darn mess. I made up a semi intellignet page long post, but honestly, I just that the whole darn mess. You know what the biggest problem is? I just cannot get past that point between my nose and somewhere deep in my brain that says, it's kind of fun to play on one of these, but ultimatly does it really replace a computer? NO. Does it really work better than a plain old cordless phone in my house? NO. Who really gives a ?*(D about You TUBE, Facebook, Twatter and Linked in? I really suspect at some point the masses are going to wake up to my points of view and the whole trendy marketplace is going to come to grinding screehing halt, and they are going to wish they had thought more of providing useful services and not just gimmicks and gizmos. Perhaps you should add yet another option to your thread? Am I nuts?
[Windows Phone 7 General] circleofomega:
I love the Win7Phone interface no matter what people have to say...i love to experiment new things and when people are working doing something (or atleast trying) to do some thing new, it is our job to encourage them, not deject and demoralize them..anyways, this is my viewpoint, not necessary evryone shud agree,....cheers!!
[Windows Phone 7 General] ss0mohit:
I actually like what Windows Mobile 6.5.5 has done. What all the devs have done. I don't like the iphone, I love the apps, but I hate the OS. I like android, but, I can run Android almost as natively on my Vogue, as I can with a Magic or another android phone.

I like the Zune UI, and have the chance to pick up a Zune HD, but decided against it, for the Ipod touch has a better app store and a better support community.

Those two things in mind, I will probably jump ship to Android, or an iPhone, because all 3 OSes can be emulated on most devices. iPhone and Android have devs and apps for them. Windows Mobile has them, but I want some of the support coming from MS... officially.

But I upgrade in 16 months... so it looks like i have a long ways to go.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ctohang:
Never buy any phone from MS or HTC, no any update OS plan for current model (HD and HD2), u can see even iPhone 2G still have update to the latest OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
I can't imagine what company I'd rather buy from than HTC. :confused:

Apple's most cutting edge BS doesn't compare to my worn out old winmo6.1 (updateable to 6.5) on an HTC TP2, and updating BS regularly won't change the fact that it's BS. HTC also doesn't shoehorn me into one size fits all hardware.

What's more, WP7s is more of a downgrade than anything. If they did allow it, they'd have to issue refunds to user who got the update to make up for the lost features.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Scotsman828:
I'll be jumping ship to Android. Open OS, fully open to third party devs and with a good UI. Why would I want to be spoon feed by Microsofts app store.

They should have acctually named the new OS, Zunexbox!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kaostick:
Ok, time is starting to tell, and I'm much more dejected then I was when I posted this. I just can't believe Microsoft is releasing an iPhone. I mean, when I was looking at getting my first smartphone some of the reasons I didn't get an iPhone in the first place included:

no multitasking

apps only available on a closed marketplace

the only way to transfer data was with a proprietary piece of software

no expandable memory

no copy and paste

I'm a hardcore Windows user, and have been my entire tech life

One or two of those I'm sure I could handle, but all of them together? Now I'm worries about some of my favorite little things I have on WM6.5. For example, I love Swype. LOVE IT! I text with one hand faster then my friends on their iPhone with both. But I'm really starting to doubt if Microsoft will even allow things like custom software keyboards.

Like I said, I'm a hardcore Windows user, so when I started looking for a smartphone, WM seemed like a natural selection. I tried to keep an open mind, but Android was still a rumor, Palm was still boring, and the iPhone was.. well.. the iPhone. Now I have a feeling that WP7 will be the best thing to happen to Android in a while.

But even though my head is hanging low, my hopes are still high. I want to believe that with enough feedback, Microsoft will realize that they are alienating a lot, if not most, of their early adopters. And really, early adopters are the ones that are going to make or break Microsoft with their new adventure in the mobile industry.
[Windows Phone 7 General] DavidMc0:
Microsoft have said a number of times that they'll keep developing Windows Phone 6 series (6.5 etc). Perhaps this will be the version aimed at business with proper functionality like copy and paste.

I really hope that they do, and if they do this well, I may stick with WM6x.

Otherwise, I may try WP7, or Android. I'll have to wait and see.

The whole no copy/paste thing is ridiculous, and I hope Microsoft sort it out, plus the lack of customisability is a drag.

Why can nobody make an OS that is easy to use, looks amazing and works simply for consumers out of the box (iPhone / WP7) plus has deliberate provision for customisability for those who want it (e.g. new front-ends like Sense / PointUI / Mobile Shell / Infinity etc).

If the wonderful Devs here can open up WP7 to do just this, then I would be quite happy :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
Seems like people are finally catching on. The moment it became apparent that the Zunies were in charge, I knew WinMo power was going to get gutted. I bet a new poll now would yield less mixed results.

WP7S isn't a smartphone OS. It's just a feature phone OS that's smarter than average.
[Windows Phone 7 General] sm3rtlag3l:
I just ordered a Desire. Like my HD2 but don't want a dead OS that nobody develops for. And I don't want a crappy iPhone OS clone that WP7 is.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
I hope WPCS survives enough to keep some development, but with Adobe already calling off flash 10 for 6.5, and all the press on WP7S, you're probably right.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Balkin:
I'm gonna give Android a try, WM 7 looks ok but I'm gonna pass. Maybe once it's been out a year or so and they work out the kinks I'll give it another look.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Rim1Flex:
Once you have a new WP7 device you will love it, trust me ;) Everyone just wait until you get your first WP7. Then, if you don' like it post negative feedback.
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
Why would I trust you? No offense, but I've been buying mobiles and computers all my life. I know what I like, and you don't even know me. How can you possibly predict what I want or need?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Rim1Flex:
;) Everyone on this website has been buying "mobiles and computers' all their life. You don't have to trust me, but once you see WP7 in action you will love it;).
[Windows Phone 7 General] welki1979:
I agree Fortunz!

Seen it in action in promo videos and on that terrible demo on the website.....that was enough to really put me off!

Can't stand the fixed block style homescreen and what with the blue colour! XBox live does not interest me in the slightest nor do most 'social networking' addins (most of these sites only last a few years anyway!)...Zune.....mmm.great....couldn't sell it to anyone so lumber WP7 with it instead (I have personally never met anyone that owned a Zune and liked it).

Until they let us know how much we can customise WP7, and how much flexibility there is with the OS I've personally lost all hope for the future Windows Phone series....it almost looks nice but it's just MSs version of the iPhone and no longer a power-toy.

MS has also failed to mention if 'Windows Phone' is now the only path for all future developments or if they'll keep 'Windows Mobile' alive for people like us?! The whole point of 'Windows Mobile' for me was the flexibility it offered....if all the claims turn out to be true and that flexibility is gone then so has my support for Windows Mobile.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Fin9ers:
I read a lot of comments about both WinMo and Windows Phone 7. Some good, some bad.

Personally I don't like the direction Windows Phone 7 is going. I like the control I have with WinMo.

Its a mini PC to me. And it pretty much does everything I use my PC for. Which is great as I'm always out.

I panicked at first thinking 'OH NO, my next phones gonna be rubbish' and my Rhodium is my first EVER ppc.

When I got it, I was like 'Well done. You chose the right phone' there and then I knew was gonna get HTC phones for a long time. Which is why i hope and pray that dev's can get WinMo running on Windows Phone 7 devices
[Windows Phone 7 General] fortunz:
I saw everything I needed to see on day 1 -- and although I didn't need confirmation, MIX certainly provided it. MS gave up on freedom and embraced restrictions for their users, on the assumption that their users don't know what they want and need to be told. That's true for most of the former feature phone users and Apple users who they're targeting, but it's not true for me.

You want to love this OS, feel free. I'm not going to tell anyone what they don't want, but seriously, stop telling me what I will love. You haven't the foggiest idea. It just makes you look silly.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
The average consumer doesn't even know what free really means. If it's out of sight it's out of mind. Free to them is being able to download any app in the app store or being able to play all there music, being able to change the color of things. They won't know that the OS is locked down unless someone tells them.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Rim1Flex:
Good points. I will keep that in mind:)
[Windows Phone 7 General] MordyT:
I will be buying a phone that I know works with WM6...

Been using WinMo for about 7 years, not switching now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] toxicstone:
Im gonna stick with Winmo Win 7 looks weird to me, nothing good about it, by te look then, but i want the win 7 för apps and programs etc and HTC SENSE + 6.5 look at meny:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Laurentius26:
I will deffinitly stick with Microsoft.

Rumours are just rumours and untill final Windows Phone 7 isn't there no one can say anything about it as just speculations...

I love the look of the new interface and looking forward to it. :)

It will be a refreshing new start. :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] Omega Ra:
I will likely try this because I like Win Mo and I like the simplicity of this, though the lack of some features (c/p, etc) does bother me a little bit, but the 3d gaming looks awesome...
[Windows Phone 7 General] arcadia2112:
WP7

Guys, I have had it totally with the Windows ****, My Leo is my 5th and also last Windows Phone, The problem is I use my phone purely business and so Office is needed for me like also Adobe Worlcard JetcetPrint, nevertheless It appears WP7 is a clone of the IPhone and the IPhone is a non business like phone despite what all the Apple Cult Members say,

Therefore it will be a Android or Symbian Nokia will have Office too :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Mithent:
I'm not inclined to get a WP7S phone unless it proves hackable to remove all the restrictions. I like the UI and would like it to work, but I'm not going to choose such a restrictive platform while I have other choices.

My next phone is probably going to be an HD2, this summer. We'll see the state of WP7S when I come up for renewal after that.