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[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
Push notifications are a great thing in the context they were announced at GDC. Keeping open connections is a battery-draining thing; you even have to prevent device from sleeping. Why do you hate to say it?
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
Cause it means the lack of multitasking is now 99% confirmed I guess.

(the rumors were again accurate - the same rumors that predicted push notifications also say no multitasking)
[Windows Phone 7 General] redoxy:
Interesting then i guess it has to do with the software (google maps in this case) than the OS. since my Igo 8 as well as NDrive both run even when they are not on top. so if you are not interested in looking at the directions on the map but want to hear the directions you can do others stuff and still hear the direction.

By the way i am also using WinMo 6.5
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
1) I listen to music while playing games on my Zune which uses the exact same Metro OS. IE multitasking

2) THIS IS STR8 from M$ i will quote:

“As a preemptive multitasking operating system (OS), Windows Phone OS 7.0 supports multiple processes running simultaneously on the system. There is no limit to the number of processes that can run on the phone. The only limit is the amount of available system resources.”

Considering this was leaked on the 18 for FEB, you would think people would at least attempt to read this stuff before jumping to conclusions. Now please shut up about it...this phone multitasks...the only question is how its done.

~style1~
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
The iPhone also supports preemtive multitasking and music in the background.

That's not the question. The question is whether third party applications can run in the background. This is not possible on the iPhone and will almost certainly not be possible on WP7.

Maybe you shouldn't post when you don't know what it's all about?

Let me say it again, so that you really get it: YOU have no clue. Please stop talking about other people who know a lot more than you!
[Windows Phone 7 General] pilgrim011:
This is also straight from MS - Joe Belfiore, the director of Windows Phone said in an interview:

Here are the conclusions from thenextweb.com:

Maybe you should shut up now?:D
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
+1

Let people talk who actually know what they're talking about!
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
Full Link to the article Pilgrim mentioned so you people can read for yourself and draw your own conclusions. I will mention that article was written almost a month ago so some of the info has since been proven wrong by videos posted since then. Also lets keep in mind that Gizmodo is the same site that was almost spot on a full 8 months before the IPAD was mentioned HERE. Also notice its the same writer for Gizmodo (guy really does his homework.)

However considering we are to the point where we are just taking people at their word and just drawing conclusions from it i think its a pretty safe bet to say that we just don't know. Its a bit of a back pedal for me in light of the information you provided but it still doesn't refute the obvious support of video. We'll just see at MIX10 I guess. I will say I believe you're wrong on this one, but all this leads to is "he said this" "he said that" it doesn't matter at this point 4 more days and hopefully we will get some answers. Till then we will have to agree to disagree.

~style1~

PS... lol at freyberry. I don't think any of us actually know what we're talking about..
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
I do know what I'm talking about. You have no clue at all.

And just to correct you AGAIN: Nothing at all has been revealed about multitasking by any videos.

It's getting boring. How many times will you post the same nonsense, only to have people correct you again and again?!

Please, before you post again, do your homework. Inform yourself what multitasking is and how it works on different phones.

Then we can talk again. Right now, I'm sorry, but you have not clue and talking to you makes no sense.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
1) Like has been said, the iPhone supports preemtive multitasking as well. The issue is, that third party applications can not keep running in the background.

2) No WP7S video conatins any third party applications (they simply don't exist), thus it is completely impossible that any video has shown anything about multitasking.

3) What you see in videos, that an app restores where it has been closed, has nothing to do with multitasking. The app simply saves it's state before it closes, the loads it when it gets reopened. That means it's not running in the background = no multitasking.

4) Like also has been said, the same rumor that predicted push notifications has been 100% (!!!!) accurate so far. The tipster even knew the name of the UI. That means, that it's certain that the rest of it is true as well = no multitasking.

5) style1, do your homework (how many have suggested that before me?)

6) Everyone, just face it: There's no multitasking in WP7S.
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
I think you can check everyone of my posts on XDA and I have never come off rude or arrogant or holier than thou on anything I have said. If I did I think i apologized in the exact next post. So if any of you guys are thinking I'm personally trying to attack you by attacking your beliefs about what will or what wont be on WP7 I do sincerely apologize.

Freyberry, I am not trying to start any hostility toward you but if you are right about everything you have said then you can I told you so all day till the cows come home. I did not state that you don't know what you're talking about, I stated that none of us know what we are talking about. If any of us are spouting previously unknown facts then ok you win. But all I'm doing is formulating an opinion based off of what I have heard, seen, or read. Thats all you're doing as well. To just discount someone's opinions formed using the same process you're using is inconsiderate and non sequitur. But thats fine. Hell, you might be right...we will figure out at MIX10 right?

Seed_Al. Again you might be right too. And Again..we don't know. But no sane person puts all faith in the almighty tipster. And for the record....1 person besides you told me to do my homework. Infact it was freyberry...lol.

Anyway, everything I have said I have provided documentation or links for. In light of new information I even backed off of my previous statements. But if I look at information and formulation an opinion (the same thing you guys are doing) then I can no more be right than you guys can be wrong. I am entitled to my opinion and I am entitled to share it so long as I am not breaking any forum rules. I'm sorry if you disagree but I'm not sitting here trying to hold a grudge for it. For the 4th time We will see at MIX10....lets continue this discussion after that, what say you?

~style~

I have no problem saying I'm wrong when I'm wrong, I have big problem saying I'm wrong when I haven't been proven so. MIX10 will prove either way I guess
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
That makes no sense^^

I know what I'm talking about ;)

Maybe there is multitasking (but probably not). That's not the problem. The problem is that you have not the slightest clue what you're actually talking about! You try to prove that there's multitasking but you don't even know what multitasking is!!! If you want to prove something, you should do your homework first. If you try to prove something that you have no clue about, you'll only get laughed at :D

Anyway, everything has been explained by seed_al (thanks). All your "proof" in fact does prove nothing at all. On the other hand, the track record of that tipster makes it pretty much certain that there is indeed no multitasking.

If you believe in any miracles at MIX, well... feel free to do so. :D

(and again: I don't have a problem with you because you believe there's multitasking. It's your choice what you believe and what not. Maybe there is! But you really should stop making claims about stuff you don't even know what it is)
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
*sigh*

This is bothersome. I feel like I'm typing in perfectly logical english here, only to be told that I'm not making sense. I will try again. I posted documentation leaked from MS saying that there is infact multitasking(which I, by the way, am just defining as the ability to run program simultaneously throughout the OS) , it was countered with a quote Joe Belfiore. So it doesn't prove that either is right or wrong. WHY? Because Joe Belfiore mentions that the device has a modern multitasking system (which any of us have yet to see in action.) HE SAYS THE DEVICE MULTITASKS IN THE QUOTE...lol. What am I missing. How can you say the device doesn't multitask when I provided MS documentation and its been on record saying as much? Not to mention none of us have seen any video to prove otherwise, wrong or right. So yeah, you can fall back on the infamous Tipster who has been right so he must always be right...but thats not enough to me. If MS says there will be Multitasking then there will be multitasking. Now of course they might be doing a combination of, lying, stretching the truth, using misnomers, or might just be plain confused...but we wont know 100% till MIX10.

This is all I have been saying for the past 2-3 posts. But of course as you have mentioned...thats not the problem. The problem is I have NO IDEA what I'm talking about. I'm trying to prove multitasking exist without knowing what it is, I haven't done my homework, yada yada. Instead of attacking me personally you should look at the issue I bring to the table. The evidence used to counter what I'm saying only goes to prove the point I'm making. You can't tell me there is no multitasking and then provide a quote from microsoft telling me there is multitasking.

The fact is this, WE don't know what we're talking about. Because we don't have all the information. I'm not saying you're stupid or anything of the sort. I'm saying, the TIPSTER, isn't information to bet the house on when MS is saying that it has the exact feature that he's saying it doesn't have. If he is a developer for MS then fine, I will back the almight tipster. If he is just someone with the "scoop" then I will stick to my guns here. I'm not so blind that i refuse to see what you're getting at. Again if you are right, I will be the first person to send a message on these boards pointing it out. Luckily I will be at MIX10 in person to see it go down so again I will end my post with more compromise...Lets wait and then discuss, ok?

~style1~
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
OK. OK I'll try ONE LAST TIME.

OK?

Yes. It supports preemtive multitasking. Just like any other OS including the iPhone.

That has NEVER (!!!!) (get that? NEVER!) been the question!

(again, just for you: NEVER EVER has that been questioned)

Got it now? I hope so. Let's continue then: If the OS supports multitasking (which it obviously does, just like any other OS), what's the problem then?

Here's the problem, which is what all the talk is about but you STILL didn't get it apparently:

Third party applications are not allowed to run in the background.

(just for you: third party applications are applications that do not come from Microsoft and are not built in, but are made by other developers and sold on Microsoft's Marketplace)

OK, now that you MAYBE have FINALLY understood what people are actually talking about, let's go on:

What did Joe Belfiore actually say? That's simple: He confirmed that the OS is a preemtive multitasking OS. And again, this has NEVER EVER been questioned.

So Joe Belfiore just stated the obvious.

BUT he also said something else: He confirmed that they would have "other ways for third party developers to deliver their content to the user, even if their app is not running".

NOW WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT MEAN?

Well, it's simple: Since they're not going to allow third party applications to run in the background, they are going to implement push notifications.

READ: NO MULTITASKING for third party applications, (kinda) confirmed officially by Joe Belfiore.

Now, I admit Joe didn't confirm it 100%, he just tried to talk around the issue (which is actually kinda 100% confirmation).

BUT in case Joe's statement is not enough, let's have a look at the rumors!

RED are the parts that have been confirmed OFFICIALLY.

BLACK are the party we don't know for sure yet.

GREEN are the parts that have been proven wrong.

Notice something? RIGHT! There's no green at all! Why is that?

Obviously because the tipster hasn't been wrong.

And what does that mean?

Obviously that means that the BLACK parts are certainly true as well and will be confirmed officially at MIX.

Got it now?

You got it! That's it! ;)
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
You sir are trying too hard to prove this point that isn't provable until MIX10. If it makes you feel better, I believe in God for almost the exact reasons you believe in Joe..lol. Anyway lets put this on hiatus for a few days until after MIX10 I'm excited to go and I hope to see you there if you plan on attending. There are a lot of things that, Joe-willing, we will find out and I'm sure we will all come away with a better understanding of whats in store 6+ months from now when WP7 is released. Till then, I will further compromise and say, ok you're right....Joe is almighty until proven otherwise, hopefully MIX will prove otherwise. good day.

once again trying to take the high road

~style1~
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
Wrong, Microsoft has never said that. The tipster has been 100% right so far!

(and also no videos have shown multitasking --> in short, all your "proof" is in fact nothing at all, you just got everything wrong cause like has been said, you have no clue what the talk is about)
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
@style1

Actually, it's not so much about whether there will be multitasking or not. Maybe there is, maybe not.

It's also not so much about whether Joe Belfiore is a God or not. Maybe he is, maybe not. :D

The problem is that you obviously do not know what the talk is about and claim to prove things you don't even know what they are!

1) Microsoft has stated the obvious, that WP7 is a preemtive multitasking system. So what? Again, that has NEVER EVER been questioned. The talk is solely about whether third party apps will be able to multitask ann NOT whether the OS is a multitasking system (it is, of course).

2) Videos have shown that you can enter an app at the point where you left it. So what? Of course, when there's NO MULTITASKING, apps need to save their state when closing (or suspend).

So what's left of your proof? Nothing at all. That is what it seems you're not able to understand, cause you don't understand what people are talking about when they talk about multitasking on phones.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
Don't be rude. The explanation was as clear as it gets... :D Just settle it now.
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
all this bold type is getting out of hand..lol.

This is the point i was TRYING to make (I've long since given up on making points)

wtf is a preemptive multitasking system? Since we haven't seen it in all its glory (MIX10) we can't really define it or tell what lengths it goes, much less how or why its different from other OS. I have a Zune HD which is a build from the same family as upcoming WP7...I can play music and play games(third party apps) that I downloaded from the app store. Since that is using a system function and a 3rd party function at the same time is that by your definition considered multitasking? So, watch if it works on the Zune HD why would it not work on WP7...why would it not be better? No one know right now. So again lets just wait till MIX and then discuss...for the 5th or 6th time.

~style1~
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
That's the issue. You're really talking about things you simply don't know anything about.

Do your homework.

OMG you still didn't understand ANYTHING. OMG. Of course you can! WP7S, Zune, iPhone OS, Android, WM6.5....... they are all preemtive multitasking systems. They all can multitask.

All of them allow the built in apps like music to run in the background. But some of them, namely iPhone and WP7S, don't allow this for third party apps. That's what people complain about (which I totally understand, cause the lack of multitasking sucks).

Now, settle it already. Sorry to say this but you really seem to be kinda stupid. You've been given extensive explanations and still don't have a clue. Seems like nobody can help you.

Sorry if that was rude. But it's just true. Let's stop here. You won't ever understand it anyway I guess. And don't get me wrong! It's perfectly OK to have no clue about something. But then one should just shut up and let people talk who actually know what they're talking about - OR try do inform oneself before posting stupid stuff.
[Windows Phone 7 General] dracnom:
http://blog.techteamup.com/2010/02/wp7s-multitasking-question-solved/
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
^^ sure......
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Thanks, this is a great link. I've been trying to explain to seed_al that multitasking has an effect on performance. It seems common sense, but I guess common sense ain't all that common.

No offense @seed_al but because you gave so many unsupported statements, you really weren't believable to me.

I now understand your explanation of fluidity and speed, but it has no bearing on the iPhone speed vs WM speed. The end result is what matters, and iPhone is a faster OS. I don't care if it has a 2MHz CPU, it's till faster than any WM. SHow me a video of an iPhone with a spinning color wait wheel :D
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
That would of course be great, but the guy who posted this is just making it up.

But you believe some random blog post that was cleary just made up?! Now it REALLY gets ridiculous.

It's not. Now tell me why anyone would believe what YOU write?! Believe someone who believes random blog posts rather than hard evidence?! LOL. :D

Actually, I have video proof (the post is German): http://www.pocketpc.ch/htc-hd2-sonstiges/64777-snapdragon-vs-cortex-a8-4.html#post391513
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
@WhyBe You again? Oh come on....

Common sense? A bit of common sense would have helped to to see immediately that this blog post is just the wishes of some blogger (he posted the same here on the forum I think).

Obviously you didn't understand anything. The iPhone is not faster at all! It's just more fluid, which makes it SEEM faster. Because there IS NO SPINNING WAIT CURSOR, but instead FLUID ANIMATIONS. That is exactly what makes it seem fast. But it isn't. And it doesn't matter whether it is really fast or just seems fast. It's the user experience that matters.

But I think I'll just give up on people like you two. After all the explanations, you still don't get anything (all the time I talked about how the iPhone does NOT (!!!!!) have wait cursors but instead fluid animations - which is the key to its user experience).
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Prove that the "random blog post" is made up. I haven't seen any hard evidence from neither you nor seed_al for any of your statements. Just because you make a statement doesn't mean you have proved anything. If you can't provide a link, at least, give some techinical reasoning, not backwards analogies.

Your proof is non-existent. Have you actually checked the link you provided? You're going to need more clear proof than that. All I see is a video comparing iPhone 3G vs 3GS.

I'm not interested in how fast a phone can download a website. That's more a function of connection speed and the type of browser used.

Any person that has had a WM and iPhone side-by-side, knows that iPhone is faster (more fluid and responsive).
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
Haha... now I quote you! Just settle it. Those guys won't ever understand it anyway :D:D:D

Read the freakin' post! How hard is it to read and think first, then talk? That's what we teach little kids!

(I know it's German but that's your problem. It does prove that the iPhone 3G is not noticeably faster than the Touch HD)
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
NO! Because you claim to prove things you don't have the slightest clue about. And you've been told that a hundred times or so. That you still have to ask why your name gets "dragged through the mud" only proves that you're really unable to understand anything.

Hubs have NOTHING at all to do with multitasking. Just stop posting such claims as long as you have no clue. Please! Do your homework before posting!

They have multitasking for the built in applications (music of course, the phone and maybe also browser, calendar etc. - maybe). They will not allow third party applications to run in the background (at least it seems like they won't).

In short: It's exactly like on the iPhone (to be fair: it's better, cause the iPhone's notification framework sucks - you don't have tiles and hubs)

Yes. Hubs and tiles can pull information from the internet (or get it pushed) while the app they belong to is not running.

Probably. I don't know about games, as they're pretty heavy apps. But normal apps will save their state and you can enter where you left them.

Now I think I have answered your questions. I hope it is clear. I can not say 100% that this is true, butt the information we have is really enough to believe that it is.

I'll just leave it at that. I've given you guys all the information that's available. It's up to you to do your homework now and try to understand it.

-
[Windows Phone 7 General] style1:
I figured as grownups we would be above namecalling...lol. I claim to prove things that I don't have a clue about. Once you proved me wrong I actually took a complete backstep and said you might be right. Its outlandish that this is what XDA is about. I figured we could discuss in a friendly manner...this isn't about right or wrong, discussion breeds innovation. People are allowed to have differing opinions without being bashed for having them. Ok you proved your point 100 or so times (in 5 posts apparently) but you still aren't answering anything I'm asking. See you can't tell me I don't have any answers and I'm stupid for not agreeing with you....then I say ok well since I don't have the answers give me the answers, and you only proceed to flame even more. WTF XDA, why is this acceptable. I thought this was an open forum for discussion, I guess I was wrong, E-Toughguys FTW.

~style1~
[Windows Phone 7 General] freyberry:
LOL... now you try to attack me with that nonsense. Nowhere did you admit anything. You just let me explain it over and over, because you either didn't get it or didn't want to understand it. I mean, after explaining something ten times, isn't it natural try some color and bold letters, when everything else didn't help?

You made the same nonsensical claims over and over. If you know they're nonsense, why don't you stop posting them?

WOW. I'm done with you guys. It's ridiculous really. I even answered all your questions one more time in the last post. What else do you want? Don't be lazy and do your homework. It's not acceptable that you post the same nonsense over and over, just because you're too lazy do inform yourself, after people with knowledge told you to do so.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
I translated it and read it. Yes, I see some of the data indicating iPhone being faster (as if that needs to be debated). So we must be on the same page @freyberry, but @seed_al seems to insist it is no faster. He also insists that multitasking has no effect on performance. I would love to hear a technical explanation as to why multitasking does not affect performance.