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[HD2 General] seed_al:
You're right. WP7S will probably be useless when it comes out... probably it just makes sense to use WM6.5 or get an Android phone now and wait until WP7S is mature enough...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Seriously WP7 is of no interest to me at all in its first incarnation. Android now is getting very good, and as soon as multiple video codecs are supported and the right device comes along I'll be going for Android.

If people aren't happy with WM6 and Sense then why don't they just sell up before the value of these devices drops? HTC never promised an upgrade and rumours are only followed by the foolish.

WP7 will have minimal third party apps from the get-go and will no doubt be full of bugs, so aside from some nice visual embellishments I fail to see how we'd be any better off than now. By the time WP7 is anything to get excited about we'll all be ready for an upgrade so it's not such bad timing really is it?
[HD2 General] lordcanti86:
I wouldn't be too sure on there being few 3rd party apps for WP7. There IS a reason why MS is talking about the dev tools and API at MIX (same reason people here are fretting over the future of 3rd party apps for 6.5) for an OS that isn't coming out until most likely October.
[HD2 General] seed_al:
You're right. And by the way, the HTC Desire will support DiVX playback, afaik ;)

I agree. The HD2 is just too good. But nevertheless, I'm afraid WP7 will be "useless" at the beginning.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Divx playback eh? My friend's just ordered the Desire and I have to be honest I'd take that over any first gen WP7 device if it were offered to me.

If only it had a 4.3 inch screen!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
when wp7 is released htc should have released devices based on it do you think htc sense is over (i don't think so ) so some port of the new devices software to hd2 wil not need from them extra development (as already developed it for the newer devics .

second ,don't take my posts seriosly it is all thoughts ,no thing is confirmed yet
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
The problem is that WP7S is not compatible with Windows Mobile software. That means that the announcement of WP7S has entirely killed off WM6.x as a viable platform for commercial software development. We're already seeing this with the likes of Adobe, and Skype jumping ship - they've abandoned plans for any new releases of their software for Windows Mobile and have opted to jump straight to WP7S (while continuing with new releases for Android).

It's not that we want WP7S specifically, it's that we don't like being locked into an OS that will receive no more major updates and is now commercially dead - and that we had no way of telling this would happen when we bought our HD2's just 3 months ago.
[HD2 General] Klaus1960:
And many developers I've talked or corresponded with are eager to support Wm7 (but haven't got the SDK yet). That will change come the Ides of March!;)
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
I totally agree. I wouldn't care not having WP7S at all, if we could run the new apps or important things like flash support didn't go away because of the announcement. If this happens to be the actual case, 3 months is really really short. That said, I still hope there will be better news at MIX, like WP7 apps being compatible with WM 6.5 devices or even better HD2 getting an upgrade :)
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
i hate it how microsoft labeled WInMO 6.5.x as Classisc, as a cheap grade B OS compared to WP7S, WP7S may look NICE, but i think its not suited for power users, it doesnt have multi task (not comfirm yet, but as far as we see from now it doesnt), and MS is LOCKING it like the iphone, NO custom UI or anything.. its just as hype up as the iphone before it was release, that is what WP7S is.

They should of called it WP7 Home os Premium or something, and the Old WinMO 6.5.x should target business/ power users and be renamed WP7 Profesional

For me..i sure as hell aint getting something similar ly "controlled" or locked like the iphone. Im happy with WinMO 6.5.x and all the previous version i used since 2000.

Im just damn pissed that developers are ABANDONING the WinMO 6.5.X so EARLY!!

ADOBE, SKYPE and many more.. WTF
[HD2 General] pack21:
bla bla bla.....

MS and HTC sucks = :( user

Hurray to Apple = Happy :D user for long times, with upgrades and apps compatibility.
[HD2 General] jphni12:
I agree with frostlance. I changed from iPhone to get rid of the restriction and to gain multitasking.

I love my HD2 the way it is now. It works very well and does more than I could ever need it to. If we get WP7, nice, I can have a play and develop a few apps but I would probably end up coming back to 6.5 anyway.

With xda-dev I dont think we will ever run of things to do to our phones.
[HD2 General] Robrecht:
On winmo.nl, where the picture of a Dutch WP7 allegedly running on the HD2 was first shown, one commenter reports that HTC told him downgrading wouldn't be possible.

They didn't exactly confirm that there would be an UPgrade -- and the chances are looking slim at the moment -- but IF there will be one, it'll be 'free of charge' and you won't be able to go back to WM6.

http://www.winmo.nl/windows-phone-7-series-draait-op-de-htc-hd2/comment-page-1/#comment-1535

Well I have no idea what to believe anymore... :-)
[HD2 General] jphni12:
@Robrecht yea its hard to know what site/info to believe but if it ends up with no option to downgrade then I doubt I will even upgrade in the first place.

Upgrade doesnt even seem to be the right word for it as to me it seems like a downgrade with a new UI.
[HD2 General] glyndal:
apple comment is bloody useless. sure the next iphone will have 1.5 ghz and 800 RAM (or what ever stats it will have) but you'll be stuck with apps that will run smooth on the 3G phone therefore wasting so much of your phone (unless you jailbreak but you ain't gaining much compared to 6.5/android unlocked).

enjoy your iphone while i'll be playing playstation on my HD2.

Like i said this before, WM7S won't be good until july/august next year guaranteed. no matter how much windows prepares for a great release, most companies will wait to see wether the phone is a flop or a win.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
This post is perfection.

Like I decided, 7 Series is NOT the most important thing for my HD2 right now. It is the lack of attention it gets that is the problem. It is 5 March now. If in 1 month, so the beginning of April (that is after MIX10, and almost 2 months after MWC) there is still no news regarding the HD2, whetever 6.5.3. with nice Sense enchantments or 7 Series upgrade, I am sad to report that I just have to sell my HD2. How much I like the device now, it is just much smarter for me to sell it at this point so I can still get some money out of it, and invest in an good Android device.

Flash is still coming to Android. The Android Application Market is still growing. Soon there will be DivX support and all that crap. Just looking at the FACTS, it is much smarter to jump over to Android. It will be of more value to me.

And I will just have to deal with the consequences that maybe my mother will put me in a 'mental-house' or whatever it is called, and maybe my father will think I am crazy too. It is just logic to make this move. Please if somebody sees an error in my vision, REPLY.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are totally right ,iam selling mt hd2 withn 2 monthes before the decrease in its price and i will get android based device (desire or supersonic for same hd2 experience)
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Jup, same here. Have been looking for HTC Desire hands ons, looks very good. IMO the smaller 3.7 inch screen also has advantages, easier to use overall especially when you are outside and only have on hand avaidable for a quick phone call. The design also seems more curved (rounded), so you have a better grip. It is just as tall as the HD2, B

but smaller.

But the biggest thing is Android OS offcourse. Full flash on launch, the entire Android Marketplace at your disposal.. while still having a similar Sense experience like on the HD2. Imo the OS is much smoother then on the HD2 and it feels more like 'once piece', rather than Sense and Windows Mobile.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
and another thing (desire will get android 3.0 ,and may be 3.5) ,wht i mean is good support
[HD2 General] mikron15:
Do you guys know if Desire will come with the 850/1900 3G bands for us N.A folks?
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
and lets not forget to mention the use of non standard java affecting application development, and a fine disregard for backwards compatibility, , , android isn't the saviour just yet, it still has issues.
[HD2 General] Euroman28:
Imagine if MS had said regarding PC's. You can't upgrade your PC to Windows 7 cause there is a hardware key missing on the keyboard. Imagine all the angry users!

How do you guys think HTC feels about that MS will ban graphical add-ons like HTC Sense on WM7 ready phones?
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
It's not over untill the fat lady sings... :)

It's not over untill the fat lady sings:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/01/microsoft-sending-mixed-signals-on-windows-phone-7-series-upgrad/
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
That announcement is several days old. Things are much clearer now, and the fat lady is already shattering wine glasses.
[HD2 General] chris5932:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/04/htc-hd2-and-windows-phone-7-series-just-tell-us-no-microsoft/
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
this means that nothing is confirmed yet
[HD2 General] wigwam12:
Come on that is nonsensical. if MS said tomorrow any HD2 owner CAN upgrade to WP7 BUT they have to pay a licence upgrade fee [as they would with any PC OS] - would everyone ranting here be suddenly mollified? I think not.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i would pay a license for the upgrade ,i really need to use the full power of hd2 before selling it
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
I would have no problem with a reasonable ($50?) upgrade fee.
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
I agree - I would pay a fee and be a very happy customer. I don't expect HTC to foot the bill as that is something they never promised.
[HD2 General] spvc500:
didn't this info come from Microsoft in china? not from US where it's being developed?

Hope there was a problem with translation as am eagerly awaiting info from HTC at MIX10 (I'm guessing that's around the time we'll find out)
[HD2 General] qmox:
With Microsoft effectivly screwing their partners I am wondering who will step up to make Windows Mobile Phone anymore.

HTC ?

Will probably try but with HTC HD2 not being able to be upgraded to WM7 , it is a setback , and they will probably go android that worked fine for hero.

Samsung ?

They have BADA , and with restrictions being put on the hardware specs they have no reason to step in if they cant control their own product.

Sony Ericsson? is starting to aim towards Symbian or Android , and with microsoft restrictive policy and hard competitor in other fields they will not bother to step up.

Nokia ? - with two operating systems and cooperation with intel microsoft wont come even close to think that they will be the once to save Windows Mobile.

So what is left is LG who picked a deal with microsoft one year ago , and than in January 2010 said that more then half of their new Smartphones will be for Android (probably by then they new how bad it will be)

So result is this , Microsoft kind of forgot that in mobile segment they dont have 90% and can dictate what they want . With 9% and droping numbers you shut up about buttons and do whatever your partners want to get more devices on the market .
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
+1 on that..
[HD2 General] ohwut:
Lets not forget LG is also going to be releasing the first MeeGo device later this year, I'll doubt they'll really want to have 3 different OS' going on their devices.

Unless Microsoft is going to be pushing strongly with their current Asus partnership(The current WP7S demo phones) and maybe pick up some of the other smaller hardware produces such as Acer, Toshiba, and some other random ones and REALLY push them pretty hard they're going to have problems. Or they could just turn into Apple and decide "they(asus)" make the Windows Phone.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
Aha! Ok!

It does not matter all that much to me if we don't get WinMo 7 to HD2, as long as they will fix the sms lag problem i'm satisfied :) and maybe a better keyboard but that's just a dream... :)
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
guys, I don't agree with all those people here accepting the defeat willingfully and saying nothing is promised with HD2, Microsoft and HTC are of course won't provide a new OS, they have to sell new phones, bla bla.. Seriously guys, take a moment to think and then write something. Look at Apple for God's sake and how they do support 3 year old devices, all the new apps and updates! I bought this phone for $1000 a month ago and I don't have that much to spend every year ("you will change your phone next year bla bla") like some of you suggest! I used my Wizard for 4 years. If you would like to know more of business, i tell you: sometimes water CAN flow upwards. Flood HTC with your email and phone, tell them to be honest and loyal, demand good support. Let them know they will lose a lot customers otherwise, speak up! It bothers me more how some users can be so cool about this issue like stockholders or speakers for those firms.
[HD2 General] gattaca714:
Ehh, dont really care about WM7, Id rather have a working dual boot mode for android.
[HD2 General] chmun77:
who cares about Android?! Nothing but also rows of icons on screen. so iPhone cloned... :/
[HD2 General] kcim:
1. you buy a phone for what it can do at THAT moment. Not because you hope it will be supported by future software.

Its not like you can buy a new car this year, and next year, when they find out this new power source, you demand from your car dealer that they install it in your car too. Thats not how it works.

2. They arent obligated to do anything. They sell there product like it is, they dont promise any support or upgrades for future version of an OS.

3. The comparison to Apple is lame. Apple is doing it "wrong" on so many other levels; totally closed system, simlocked phones, not letting certain apps in their appstore etc etc.

Dont get me wrong, secretly I am still hoping I will be able to run Windows Phone 7 on my HD2. But you cant pick on Windows or HTC for not doing it, since it isnt something they promised would be possible :)

I do am very confident in the bright minds that wander on this forum, I bet they will find a way to hack it for our beloved HD2's. The hardware seems to be fine for it :)
[HD2 General] kramerty88:
Still I think it sucks a lot! Hopefully our XDA pals will hack it and port it to hd2. Nonetheless WinPhone 7 is still planned for release in the far far future. Does anyone know when exactly? The rumours vary between Q2 and Q4 this year...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I dont really give a toss anymore; got my HTC Desire on preorder, I'm really not in the slightest bit bothered about WP7 and think it will probably be an epic fail. Android has two years on it and I fail to see what it has to offer for developers that Apple and Android haven't already got a proven track record with.

Might keep my HD2 in a drawer on the off chance that it will one day be Android-installable.

Microsoft have evidently lost the plot.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Good luck getting Android 2.5 or 3.0 on your Desire. Or even a next version of Google Earth.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
i dont really see what your point is here...

Good luck getting an update to android that hasnt been announced yet on my device...versus keeping a device like the HTC HD2 which is in quicksand and definitely wont get an announced update.

Easy choice for me.

You forget that the Nexus One is almost identical to the Desire. Developers have ported a very stable Desire ROM onto it already; since the N1 is a 'with Google' device it will receive immediate updates which i am pretty sure will end up on the Desire pronto.
[HD2 General] Tokolosh:
more likely around christmas time as usual _D
[HD2 General] aceo07:
It might not be official release to the device, but XDA might be able to pull it off. Most devices didn't get upgrades to 2.1, but XDA has been able to do it. I can get Android 2.0 or 2.1 though they've only released 1.6 for my HTC Dream. (You do have to wait a while for all the bugs to get ironed out.)

Of course, the same could be said for WP7s. If anybody can do it, it's the smart and hard working devs here.
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
Waste of money don't ya think? Let it sit in a drawer while you wait for a Desire. So you can have two android phones one with slightly better screen specs? If you didn't give a toss then sell the HD2 instead of letting the value decline while you bash the Windows Mobile OS's. If you can't accept what is current on a phone without future upgrades then why the unwise choice in the purchase? It doesn't sound like you were a WM 6.5 to start with.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
you're completely wrong actually. I moved away from windows mobile after years of usage at the HD2s promise of great social networking integration, a marketplace for apps and the capacitive screen. unfortunately the first two counts have proven a letdown as Facebook integration only goes so far and has not been integrated so far as for htc to have made their own app as i expected, YouTube is no better than it was on the Diamond and still doesnt have access to subscriptions and the Twitter client is pretty basic and doesn't provide acceptable notifications for personal messages or direct messages. Podcatching alternatives to RSS HUB are similarly ugly and basic, IM clients are similarly flawed and clunky in comparison to their Android and iPhone counterparts.

Windows Marketplace is one of the biggest disappointments Windows have thrown at the public for a long time in my opinion.

I do love my HD2 in a way, but it FEELS stagnaged. it is what it is and I don't see a future in it while it has Windows Mobile on it, and I don't say that to rattle cages but to simply highlight my frustrations as a WindowsMobile veteran.
[HD2 General] jakem:
If social networking is your thing then I'm surprised you're so unimpressed by WP7S. I've never seen the appeal of social networking and never thought it was necessary to include Facebook, Twitter, etc. on a phone but when I saw Microsoft's demo at Barcelona I finally got it. Social networking services appear to be so well integrated into the OS that they finally made sense to me.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
can you explain in what way social networking is better integrated on the 9 months away WP7 than on the about to he released Desire which is also a proven platform....
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
android leads windows by ages
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Well 7 Series does seem to have very deep Facebook (and other social networks) integration.. I think the Desire probably has all the same options, but they just do not work so perfect as on the future 7 Series devices. 'People' really brings everything together in a awesome way, while on the Desire you have people, contacts, facebook, twiter.. Off course, this is better in another point of view. You need something regarding facebook? You go to the FULL facebook app, with all the functions facebook has. You just need to look up the phonenumber of somebody? You go to contacts and quickly search for that person. While on 7 Series they try to put everything in one place, which sometimes is good and sometimes not.

Anyway, HTC Desire FTW! ;)
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Bit late now, but YouTube just released a new client a few days ago which might address your complaints about that :P
[HD2 General] jakem:
I have no idea what the Desire is capable of - I don't know anything about that phone and didn't intend to get into a pissing contest. I was just saying that the WP7S social networking features seem potentially useful and though you might agree. After all, this is a thread about WP7S ;)
[HD2 General] ap3604:
I think that companies should be truthful about wanting people to buy a new phone instead of being sissies and saying that having 2 extra buttons will disqualify phones from the windows7 :rolleyes:

Cmon Microsoft: Be a man and just tell it like it is... "We want another $500 from you and if you want any new software toys you need to give us this money" ;)
[HD2 General] Peew971:
Not too much faith to put in that article in my opinion. Why make such an announcement just before the HD2 releases in the US, that would literally kill it and I doubt either Microsoft or HTC would be too happy about that.

We know the definitive answer will come from MIX, let's wait for that.
[HD2 General] the0ne:
I think the 3 button limitation is only for the front facing buttons. I did read something about volume and Camera buttons can be present ( as long as they are not front facing ), ie it can be on the sides.. ( Dont Quote me on this , I dont remember the source )
[HD2 General] derScheich:
Dude, the keyboard. Each letter is actually a button. Sounds strange, but thats the way it is :D But I know whats your point. 3 Buttons except for keyboards.. But what about volume buttons, camera buttons, etc? Using the phone as a mp3-player and controlling the volume with the touch screen every time would be very annoying.
[HD2 General] m0j0j0j0123:
Propoganda maybe?

The choice would be nice, regardless of 3 buttons or now, but as said a few times here already, even if they dont put it on HD2, it will eventually end up on the HD2 :D
[HD2 General] John Cipolletti:
Don't Count Out The Programmers

Now that Windows has dramatically changed its OS and companies like Adobe are turning their backs on anything before 7, it will have to be that or Android. But remember, no one can stop a good programmer. I saw that while programming the iPhone. It just takes an imagination, skill, and hard work, but anything that has firmware can be altered and improved upon. And what are the big boys going to do...get their police after you? Apple couldn't completely stop developers even though they really tried. However, physical shortcomings of the device (like the battery of the iPhone) can be the real show stopper.
[HD2 General] matckal:
htc hd2

is my first and last winmo device thats it!!!!

we are the people who give away the money and we need to do somthing
[HD2 General] ryuu55:
It would have been nice to have an official upgrade to 7, but my phone is still bad-ass. I won't lose any sleep over it, we have the great chefs here @ xda so all is good. Plus, it will be a while before xda can cleanup whatever crap M$ spits out so I'm not in a rush to get one anyway.
[HD2 General] mdmhd2:
I don't care about WP7. Maybe it will be a fail. They want to create an Iphone-like platform and I don't like closed platform.

Ergo, I'm happy with my wm 6.5.x
[HD2 General] chrism_scotland:
I reckon that we'll port it over here anyway regardless of whether we get an Official Upgrade or not.
[HD2 General] Morbyd:
^^ what he said

I really don't see what the fuss is about. Nothing I've read about WinPhone7 gets me excited in the least.

The iPhone is a nice toy and Android is an unfinished product, neither really suited for use as business-oriented phones.

I'll stick with my HD2 as is, thank you. Yes, with the much-maligned WM6.5 and Sense UI. I've tweaked the hell out of it and overall am quite pleased with how it looks and works now.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Lies... all lies... they won't talk about the real reasons, but you can be sure nothing of what they said is true.

Don't believe their lies.
[HD2 General] romac:
We all bought our devices mainly for what it can do NOW, not what it can do in the future. The HD2 is a wonderful device right now. Why are people stressing about an OS that won't really appear on phones until about eight months future? By that time new hardware will be out we will be lusting after those. Enjoy your phone now, and see what happens in a few months time when the OS starts to appear on phones.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Blimey, are people STILL fretting about whether the hd2 will get wp7 or not?? who cares?? good lord, enjoy your phone! don't spend your time wanting something different. christ on a frickin bike.