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[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Yes android does "Just Work"

And Sense UI on WinMo is completely different to the Android version, I couldn't believe they called it the same name =/
[Desire General] cez10:
what u mean by different? whats so different?
[Desire General] Ace42:
Some of the design and the widgets of course and the integration. Plus it's slower on winmo than on android...
[Desire General] sh500:
Almost identical reasons as the OP for me very seriously considering moving to the Desire.

Sense on Android does seem far more customisable than on WinMo devices. I've been using WinMo device since the Imate JAM.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Sense UI on winmo is basically touchflo
[Desire General] McHale:
I'm a die hard WinMo fan (I have well over a dozen WinMo phones right now - all HTC except 2). I want the Desire if for no other reason to hack something different while I wait for Windows Mobile 7 (which I may not get). If for no other reason, I ran out of things to hack on Windows Mobile. I need a new challenge. If I end up not liking Android, at least it kept me busy while we wait for Windows Mobile 7 (I refuse to call it anything else).

I picked up an iPhone 3GS just to see what I could do with it. Never even activated it. Not one of my prouder moments...

-Mc
[Desire General] d.cortez:
same here... i absolutely love WinMo and will never, ever abandon it. i'm waiting for the HD2 to drop on T-Mo so i can test before i buy. if i get the HD2 it will be the Telstra version. i might wait longer for a WinMo 7 device, too.

i took the Android plunge almost 2 months ago with the Nexus One. i have been challenged to no end to learn some of the Android basics, but i'm getting there. once i got the courage to unlock and root, it was friggin on! now i'm running the alpha Desire ROM (yes alpha), a.k.a, Sense UI, which isn't perfect, but from a functionality and performance perspective i couldn't be happier. (well, that's not entirely true, i'm hoping that Paul@MoDaCo can get bluetooth fixed, it's a little flaky right now). i truly, truly hope that WM Seven is similar in performance and functionality.

using Android hasn't been an easy journey and i was very concerned that i'd change my mind and go back to WinMo, but it hasn't happened. i know i will be a better, more knowledgeable hacker in the future. some of the things i admire with Android/Nexus One:

ability to create backups before testing new ROMs. i mean backups with all my apps installed. a.k.a., Nandroid

the ability to recover from my mistakes via Nandroid backups.

a buttload of themes, customizations galore for the Nexus One

notification panel, where you can slide down for all your notifications

a great browsing experience

absolutely beautiful AMOLED screen

with a 1 ghz processor, this thing is simply fast

gesture search of contacts, music, apps, web, etc. it's like the old graffiti but using the regular alphabet

things that are challenging me big time:

Android command language

ROM/folder structures, basically where stuff get's stored

java, java, java

no native install to microSD card, there's AP2SD, but i'm not ready for that yet

not knowing how Android manages memory, programs, etc.

knowing how to create my own themes; i've had more failures than successes

having to depend more on others for assistance than i'm accustomed to.

i'm glad i made the transition to Android with the right device (for me). i miss WinMo and my all time favorite device Touch HD. i have an Xda Orbit II as a standby that's been good to me for 2 years. i'll be back to WinMo 7, but for now, i'm enjoying my Android experience.

i'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to move to Android; i only want to share my experience as a current/forever, diehard WinMo user. thanks for allowing me to express my thoughts!

p.s. i still have my first WinMo device, it's an MPx 200 running WinMo 6.5. a classic device that i will never give up!
[Desire General] XDA mark:
I can not call myself a WinMo veteran, since I have been using the HD2 for only 2,5 months. But the fact that it is already a dead device because of the Developers leaving to 7 Series(Adobe just stopped making flash for it, while they were very close to finishing it) makes me sad. If on 1 April there is still no word on the future of the HD2, I am selling it and getting a Desire.

A few questions to Android users!

How is the Android Market? How many apps? All useable by Desire, or is the divercity of the Android devices making the quality suffer? And only instal to internal memory right?

General Android OS: easy to use? Eye candy? Touch optimized?

Android browser: good or not? Is there Opera browser for Android?

Does HTC Sense work well with Android? Does it become 'one', or stay 2 different things like Sense and WinMo?

What should I know more about Android? What do you Android users think are the bad things about the OS and hope to see changed in the future updates?

I know it is a lot I am asking, but I am making a right decision this time so I need to be informed.

Kind regards :)
[Desire General] All Day On XDA:
great time to stumble on this thread.... my HD2 is no more and despite only using winmo for 3 months, I'm ready to go to Android too.

I'm no smartphone veteran - but something I enjoyed on the HD2 was the PSX emulator - will we see anything like that on Android?

Does anyone know about the development of medical apps for professionals as well as students?

Much appreciated.So far the Desire is looking like a strong contender but do the wise folks here have any other phone tips?
[Desire General] Balrog82:
Hi there.

I am quite a WinMobile user. I already worked with WinCE many many years ago, but couldn't ever think of having a phone with WinCE/WinMobile. Then 2 years ago, I got myself the Tytn II because I wanted to advance in my mobile experience. After using it quite a while, flashing ROMs and doing stuff with it, I thought I'd never switch away from WinMobile. Until the real problems started.

A friend of mine got a Hero last year and I started playing around a bit. Android really seemed to me, that it is pretty nice and you can do a bunch of things with it. I then tried some Android things on my Tytn II and was pretty happy with playing around with it. My first Android experience was with the G1. But I really didn't like it back then.

Currently I use the iPhone I repaired for a friend (just some minor testing because I don't like it) and I must say, that I am already pretty accustomed to the touchscreen keyboard (like everyone knows, the touchscreen keyboards on Tytn II are crap) (and the iPhone sucks... did I mention that?). But, I always wanted a hardware keyboard again. The only good device currently is the Moto Droid. But it already lacks due to the processor and not natively having Android 2.1. So I looked around a bit and found the Nexus One. Would be pretty cool, but it's still not yet available in germany. So I waited. Then the MWC. HTC Desire. Now this is what I want and this is what I will get. Already pre-ordered and hopefully it will hit the market soon. Can't wait for it.

This will be my first Android device, but I look forward to a bright future with it ;) I already like the customizability of it and of course the big screen and everything else. Despite the little things.

Well google, you lost a customer because of your inability to provide a new product to the whole world at the same time. Perhaps I'll think about it in 2 years ;)
[Desire General] canonyau:
I would say that anything with android on it would still be considered a google phone since google came up with android in the first place. They get a customer either way :)

However, I have no idea how they make money out of this since it is open source. Maybe they are like huge donators to a charity for all us techno geeks, just to make life more pleasant for us.
[Desire General] Maedhros:
Just wanted to say I recently traded my tp2 for 200$ plus a G1, and I couldn't have been happier. The G1 is GREAT. It's not rooted yet, but I already like the experience more then the Tp2 with sense.

Im going to be trading the G1 for a Magic soon, and I will get sense on that. Im sure I will enjoy it even more then.

I liked winmo 6.5. But 7 looks like garbage to me. So I jumped ship from a dieing platform, and I suggest others to do so aswell. Android is great.
[Desire General] All Day On XDA:
plz delete!
[Desire General] sallal:
im since 2 years an windows mobile user .. it all started with my lg ks20 .. i also have been just playin around with the diamond...

i think compared to android winmo is just the better OS, because of so many apps ... when i need a windows mobile app for making my mobile an touchpad , i just type on google.com "touchpad wm6.5" ... and there are successfull hits...

so why android ? the hd2 has:

- a bigger screen (i think 4,3 " is my limit, otherwise it would be too big for my pocket ... so i dont think that i´ll get the hd3)

- faster processor

- more apps (but spread in the www)

- capability in porting other ROMs on it (since many years)

also i think, that windows mobile 7 looks just disgusting... its not "windows" anymore ... the weird (and really too simple) interface, just like with any self made OS from other devices ....

when i see the windows mobile home screen interface, i want 20 ways to open a program , otherwise it isnt windows.... this is the thing, why i prefer windows mobile... its complicated, but when you read the manual, its easy ... and its expandable (other apps and so on)...

Hope the HD2 will arrive in 2 weeks ... i think i will be pretty happy with it...

Greetz

sallal
[Desire General] XDA mark:
Your reasons why the HD2 (with WM 6.5) is better than Android:

1. Yes, it has a 4.3 inch screen, and currently there is no Android device that has such a huge screen. I myself find the screen beautiful, but would not mind using a slightly smaller screen. The HTC HD2 can be hard to use sometimes, because of that massive screen.

2. The 1 GHz processor is fast indeed, but the Nexus One and HTC Desire both have a 1 GHz processor as well. Since most people here are talking about the HTC Desire, this point makes no sense. Both have a 1 GHz processor.

3. Android Market = 20.000 apps and growing, fast. WM Marketplace = biggest Smartphone Application Store failure ever. Seriously.

And yes, there may be many 'apps' on the internet that you can use on the HTC HD2. But really, of what quality are they? First of all, they are random spread on the internet, so very hard to find. Secondly, they are made for Windows Mobile in GENERAL, or if you are lucky for Windows Mobile 6.5. But then again, it could be made for another device, with a 3.5 inch screen, which means it will not be optimized for the HTC HD2.

So what I am trying to say is: the HTC HD2 lacks good apps. Android Market on the other hand offers many applications, which are easy to find and install & usually better quality.

4. I think that you can use custom ROMs on Android devices as well, but I am no expert in that area.

So my vision is still, HTC Desire > HTC HD2 :o
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Android, unlike win mo, is an open source operating system so the scope for new roms, new featurs etc is better than Windows Mobile.

Check G1 Android Development or Nexus One Android Development to see the vast amount of roms avaliable.
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
Sorry mate but I think a mega fail on your part, you just bought a device that can only run at this stage on a dying OS that will be unsupported shortly. No new fancy apps or games..... And technically you are not a convert, so why you posting?

I will be switching to the desire after having my blackstone for a year. I hate win-mo. No matter which version (6.1 -too old, 6.5 - still ugly and looks the same as 6.1, or 6.5.x which looks slightly better but that's it) I always try and improve things. That's the prob I find, it doesn't do what most people want it to do straight out of the box. You have to apply a zillion reg fixes, patches, work arounds all to get something android does straight out of the box..... Can't wait!!!! been fiddling with android on my blackstone and it rules, so pretty and logical
[Desire General] trevorwhopkins:
For reference on the switching to Android from WM thing, I bought an n1 a month or so ago, with great hesitation, and came from a TP2. I've been an avid WM guy for about 2 years, mostly due to being amazed at eeeeverything you could do.

The just works thing is the best answer. But it's also more of a black box, yet more customizable. linux is no registry having windows system. however, sense on android makes wm touchflo rediculous. The home system is completely different but similar thinking. The Android homescreen with sense is seven screens, customizable completely and easily with either shortcuts or widgets, smaller tiny always on versions of programs that you choose. htc designed a widget to replace each pane on the WM version, for example text email weather etc.

But there is a big similarity. The weather clock, the dialer, the keyboard, and mostly the weather widget, is exactly, down to color and design, the same. And so when converting to Android, if you liked htc, the desire will be instantly usable.

For more info you can search my thread in the TP2 forum. By the way I am dying to have an Android phone released like the TP2, except more 2010: very thin, wider screen, good speakerphone nice keyboard. I'ld buy that droid in a heartbeat if it was gsm, b ut i hate the keyboard. thats the idea though, or like the toshiba g1 w/ the qwerty version.
[Desire General] mazzarin:
I too am an HD2 refugee. I love the phone, seriously, but I can't justify keeping it when it's a dead platform. I have no doubt that the Android guys like Netripper will port it over but I don't want to wait that long!

I'll miss that gigantic beautiful screen. I hope the Desire has those little niceities like flip it over to stop ringing etc :)
[Desire General] All Day On XDA:
I believe it does.:)
[Desire General] Staticsoul:
I believe it has even more of those nice little details.

When the phone is ringing and you pick it up it should be less loud.
[Desire General] aSquard:
I stepped into the WinMo scene via the Raphael (Fuze) but after the resets for no reason, lengthy lag times, and times my screen won't turn on for whatever reason, I'm ready to switch to Android - Desire flava preferably, but if I could pick up a Nexus One for a decent price, I'd take it as well.
[Desire General] sh500:
I think the HD2 has this feature too?
[Desire General] mazzarin:
It does :)
[Desire General] chris10230:
How about stupid no carrier upgrades because they have to be verified. Now i know i can hardspl my hd2 and run whatever but i want it to just work so now do i sell mine and buy an unlocked desire or get o2 to replace my hd2 with a new desire when it is released in a month if no update for the hd2 has been released. I really can see myself getting more and more annoyed with it! (also quite want something new to play with os wise, o yeh as someone else already said android wont be getting killed off any time soon....)

What du think? honestly i cannot quite work it out. I played with android on my polaris and its great a little buggy but its soooo much nicer also BIG selling point is the google integration which i seem to be using more and more these days...
[Desire General] shaneaus:
!

I used to be a WinMo fan (not "fanboy). I used a few WinMo phones up until 6.5. Many of my favorite apps weren't updated (due to backward compatibility problems) to the new version and I became very disappointed. I then tried out a Blackberry Curve - for about 2 weeks - and, gave it to my wife when the G1 came out. I have used the "T-Mobile" G1 on the ATT network (means I have had NO 3G).

But, I have had so much fun! I have loaded ROM after ROM on this phone and over forty different themes - all from xda-developers.

The community is great and the Android phones just keep coming. Most of the new ROMS for each new device get ported within months to the newer devices. I feel like I have gotten four new phones since purchasing my G1 - same hardware - new ROMs.

I have been a beta tester for several apps.

As far as the feature set... Almost every feature that I ever saw available with the WinMo phones I used are doable with Android. The beauty of the open source concept is that so many people are willing to work on it. Many things that were not available on a stock phone became available very early through third party app devs!

Just wish I had enough time to learn how to code myself!
[Desire General] McHale:
My first Android phone, the AT&T Nexus One has been ordered.

The journey begins...
[Desire General] globiboulga:
I have to say, what got me to switch was how appalled I was of the WinMo ecosystem coming from a iPhone 1G (which I hated):

- apps are hard to find

- apps are rubbish (unless you are a weirdo who wants some REALLY specific business app)

- they cost a bloody fortune ($20 is nothing unusual)

- basic phone applications are pathetic (SMS, email...)

Sense UI corrects a few things (without it Winmo would be unusable), but the Blackstone I have is seriously underpowered, lags, freezes all the time.

So waiting for the Tegra chip (which is nowhere to be seen in phones), I went to consider Android when HTC unveiled the G1. I since then played with Android on the Blackstone and there's no turning back, especially after reading what MS is doing with WinMo7:

- crap interface

- no multitasking

- no copy/paste

So I pre-ordered the Desire. CANT WAIT!!!
[Desire General] McHale:
Comparing the iPhone to Windows Mobile isn't a good comparison. Windows Mobile has been around for a LONG LONG time. With over 10 years of a non controlled environment, apps will be all over the web - just like apps for the PC. The iPhone is controlled by Nazi's who are very rigid and strict about everything - because it makes them more money. Being a Windows Mobile guy, I can't stand the iPhone. A lot of the things you hate about Windows Mobile are things I like about it. And I'm sure some of the things I hate about the iPhone you may like. Not a big deal, just previous experience plays a big part in future preferences.

Personally, I love my Windows Mobile phones. Even with the Nexus One, I don't plan on it being my primary device. And I'm sure I'll pick up the first Windows Mobile 7 (again, I refuse to use that other name...bleh) phone that supports AT&T's 3G network. And right now, it doesn't sound like I'm going to like it - but I hope I'm wrong.

I'm really looking forward to working with Android and especially the Nexus One. There's already a large community for it and more and better tools are certainly on the way.

-Mc
[Desire General] venelar:
thanks for all the input everyone

I'm going to start putting a few dollars back here and there and wait for both the desire and winmo7 (/agree on the name mchale) to hit at&t then decide. My TP2 is getting along just fine so i can afford to wait.
[Desire General] Arkish:
Totally agree with you here, got Android on the Polaris, not all the features work but has wet the appetite for a HTC Desire, :D
[Desire General] skynet08:
I'm using WM for almost 2 years now (Omnia).

I'm very happy with it and I was thinking about buying a HD2 soon.

During my search through the web I found the HTC Desire and now I'm a little bit undecided about which phone is the better choice.

I really like te AMOLED screen of the desire, but I also like the sense interface on the HD2. As far as I understand the Sense UI is different on the Desire, right?

What about the music player on the desire? Is there a version like on the HD2?

Is it possible to sync the Desire with Thunderbird (contacts and calender)? Right now I'm using BirdieSync for my Omnia.

I don't care about WM7 so that WM6.5 is a dying system doesn't count for me.

What would you suggest? Do you think the Android phone would be the better choice?
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Go on youtube and search for vids of the interface, if you can't find any look for ones for the HTC Legend and if that fails look at the Hero (core interface will stay the same even with 2.1) that is far better than getting other peoples opinions as you can see yourself.

As for thunderbird. You would need to do

Email sync to GoogleMail

Thunderbird Contacts sync to GoogleMail

Contacts and Email would then remain in sync 24/7 without having to connect anything up etc.
[Desire General] skynet08:
So it's only possible to sync the phone via Google Mail?

This would be a k.o. criteria for me.

Don't want to use google mail. I don't like to be forced to use google stuff.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
No it's not the only option but it's by far the easiest and the one that makes the most sense.
[Desire General] skynet08:
Well doesn't make much sense to me to give my private data to a 3rd party company, just to sync it back to my computer. :confused:

But if there are other options, I guess I have to investigate a little bit more ;)
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
To sync it from your computer to googlemail and from googlemail to your phone means that it will always be in sync, automatically without you having to plug your phone into your pc and run a syncing app.

Alternatively you can I think use HTC Sync
[Desire General] sallal:
i think that at the moment the hd2 is the better choice ... i also dont really care about "dying systems", the only thing i meantion is the application support ... maybe androids application support is growing fast, but at the moment, winmo has the greater capacity for applications. plus, on android you have to install everything on the main storage .. nothing can be installed on the storage card (ive heard so).

ive now ordered the hd2 and i think it will be quite nice with all its features. and i also know , that i will never have wp7 ... so, maybe in two years when my contract will end i would look for an good android, cuz then android will be in "final" release with a really superb OS and powerful features. i think the android nowadays is just a try ... and it seems to be the most used OS of xda-buddys in 2015...

See ya

sallal
[Desire General] sh500:
Personally, I feel this is one of the reasons why WinMo devices become so unstable; people making apps/ROMs available without any control and not being 'quality' checked. Of course the WinMo OS itself has a lot of problems in itself too.
[Desire General] Arkish:
This is also a feature that has made me stick with winMo since 2002 for the 'hackablity', as long as you are prepared to put in the time. Anyway now making the jump to andriod after what i have been reading about wm7 it will be a while before I go back The Register Article on wm7 features
[Desire General] McHale:
I've had my Nexus One for a couple days now. I don't get what all the Android fuss is about. I don't know if it's the raw google experience (i.e. no SenseUI) or the fact that I'm such a WinMo fanboy but I didn't use the N1 and think it was as awesome as the hype led me to believe it would be.

BUT

I see so much potential with Android and some of the apps are fantastic. It's a fairly solid OS with so much room for growth. If Android captures the community like Windows Mobile did and Google fixes a few things with AES, folder syncing in email, security, etc, this may be the ultimate nerd OS.

Right now, I'm still in the Windows Mobile camp (pre WinMo 7 of course).

-Mc
[Desire General] sallal:
well i said it more or less without having tried android, but every1 believed that winmo is now crap, as this gossip about "super-android" came out ;)

EDIT: That makes me happier... because i bought the hd2, maybe the best device at the moment :D if i hear what you are sayin about android...
[Desire General] McHale:
Believe me, if HTC sold an AT&T friendly HD2, I'd be sporting that right now. I'd have still bought the Nexus One to hack around with, but the HD2 would be my primary device.

I was waiting for an OpenMoko phone that didn't suck because of it's openness and hacking potential but it just never happened.

-Mc