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[Touch CDMA Android Development] BigBadBuu:
^this.

Most users are grateful for what we have thus far, and have managed to be fairly patient as things are fixed, added, or enhanced. Android on the Vogue is on it's own absolutely mind-boggling, and the fact it works so well even more so.

Noone has a "right" to anything here. And noone should be acting that way.

If someone's going to come in here and wax indignant, claiming moral superiority to those trying to help him, then he deserved to get flamed if not banned. We're all violating our TOSes and making use of misappropriated software. Ask yourself buddy, "WWJD?"
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
Exactly. Thank you. Nobody is owed anything here. Switch back to winmo if offline gps is that paramount for you.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] manifest3r:
Ok, I got GPS to work without a data plan(my data is blocked through Sprint so it's guaranteed offline). Here's what I did:

1) Get iGo for Android

2) Download the Root Explorer App

3) Download the 240x320 data.gro for iGo to replace the original, unfortunately I can't post the link for that, so Google it

3) Install the .apk for iGo, then run the app and let it install

4) Use Root Explorer and paste and overwrite the original data.gro with your new one in the directory: /data/data/com.navngo.igo.javaclient

5) Run the program

It's not perfect, but it works, and all the buttons are functional...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] kiwilime:
Where did you download iGo?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] pera777:
Hi there. I can't seem to find iGo anywhere. Not at the store or anywhere.

BTW: Unlimited data plans in Brazil cost a LOT of money, so, an offline solution is needed down here.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] pera777:
Nice, but I have a noob's doubt: Does android market work in my phone after doing this or I'll have to use the emulator allways? I'm asking cuz I have wifi in several places, and donwload a lot from the market.

Thanks a lot for the guide and I'm sorry if I misunderstood anything from it.

Cheers
[Touch CDMA Android Development] beemer350d:
TREKBUDDY, using on my Samsung Spica android.

Create maps on your PC by using MobileMapCreator, save as tar and place it in SD Card/TrekBuddy/maps
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Acrono:
Personally, I'm also interested in this; not because I don't have a data plan, but because I want to use my cell phone as a hiking GPS or a car GPS in areas that don't have a cell reception. Sure, I could spend $600+ on a nice car GPS and a trekking GPS, but I was hoping my phone could fulfill those functions so I can save myself over half a grand of cash.

So far, I've found OruxMaps (http://www.oruxmaps.com/index_en.html) to be the best. You have a very wide selection of maps to choose from (from civil planning maps to terrain maps to road maps and everything in between) and you pick what areas you want to download. Next, you get to pick which zoom levels you'd like to download (1-15, 1 being very zoomed out, and 15 being very zoomed in). If you're doing a 100km x 100km terrain map and downloading from levels 1-15, it'd be a 1.5gb download. And it takes a while to download 65,000 tiles (a lot slower than you expect); taking about 4-5 hours. Make sure you're plugged in during this process.

Another option is to download it on your computer and then transfer it to you're SD card, but that's more complicated whereas downloading it straight from your phone is pretty self explanatory.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaisonguru:
I also support the op.

I was using Garmin XT (and still using) on My Nokia N 82 (guys don't laugh)...

Nothing has come near to it in terms of GPS.

While travelling out to another country I downloaded the map and it helped me throughout.

Also on the flight where the signal is not available for the A-gps, I keep it near the window and amuse myself where I am(can see on the base map) flying at what altitude, and what speed I am cruising.

An offline GPS I feel is a must for my smart phone..
[Touch CDMA Android Development] anon1902:
While the OP may have stepped on some sensitive toes by referring/comparing to the offerings for that stuff M$ excreted, it *is* a straightforward question, and deserves a straightforward answer, not some "why do you need it / you don't need it" BS.

Absolutely amazing how a perfectly valid use-case can be disregarded by so many highly intelligent people.

Having GPS while roaming the "civilized" world is a mere luxury, but in locations where cell coverage and WiFi are *not* ubiquitous, it has the potential to be life-altering.

Also, most of the world actually *owns* their phone, and consequently isn't forced on the dataplan-leach...

This may contain some FOSS (the One True Way) solutions:

- h__p://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Android

(apparently can't post external links yet...)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] SleepyJohn:
I also support what he asked, but not how he asked

I have the exact same desire for my Vogue running on NZ Telecom prepay (with no option of a data plan), and if anyone is kind enough, able and willing to help me achieve it I will be delighted. I do not, however, EXPECT or DEMAND that volunteer devs who have already enabled me to run Android on it should drop everything and jump immediately to solve my every tiny little problem. If it is not high on their priorities I shall accept living without it or go back to Windows.

I think this gentleman was asking rather a lot.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] danxj3:
HA

I have always been a WinMo user and had Garmin XT on an LG Incite and it worked sooo swift - with NO DATA PLAN.

Here is an explanation for those of you who have been badgering crobs808:

1) (Data plan for 48 mo.) x ($25 a month Data on ATT) = $1200.

^Hell no,

2) I buy an unlocked phone online for $130, find a GPS program, find maps.

Worked sometimes quicker than my brother's Sony Navigation.

Crobs is simply looking for GPS application development on Android. And I'm now in the same boat with Android, and it appears the progress is poor.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] pera777:
Sygic aura

Hi there, I've been using Sygic for two months now. Works like a charm!

I don't have a data plan and just use google maps when leaving my house to check traffic.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] akoei:
I support crobs808. I read the whole long thread, and didn't see what he said wrong. He might just rush dev and said switched back to WinMo, so what? It is his decision but why ppl yelling him?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] CtapukaH:
Offline Navigation Apps

Hi everybody.

I had quite the time searching for a nice GPS program that would use pre-installed maps. The conclusion I made is that there's nothing better than Tomtom Navigator. It has the most linear interface ever and its' maps are being updated every 3 months or so. It costs too and there is no Android version I know of, yet. So the search for an alternative brought me in the position of trying a couple of other similar apps. Navigon is an option, still a bit buggy and incomplete maps. Copilot instead, seems a very versatile program, which I'm testing right now and I'd say it's the best rival of the famous Tomtom.

With a little inquiry one could easily find online a version for testing and some maps for his own region or country.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mistabeo:
im trying to find an offline gps navigating software myself.. i miss using tomtom on winmo (even though winmo sucked).

yeah, i admit i don't have a data plan... because i'm too cheap to pay $15/month only to get 200 mb, or $25 a month for a mere 2gb. i guess i'd get it if i really needed it, but i'm happy using my phone without wifi (with no gps being the only issue).

another great thing about having the maps preloaded is that you don't need to have 3g loading, which should significantly boost your phone's battery life (this is a big issue especially if you don't have a charger in the car with you).
[Touch CDMA Android Development] arbstar:
Try CoPilot

Its not free but u can find it on torrent websites (:

The app is great but takes awhile to find signal
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mel2000:
Doesn't Google Maps now offer offline maps and navigation on Android?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] A.Priori:
it's quite shoddy, I just was in a roaming zone and gmaps failed me. Luckily i had a paper map. Navigon on my ipad works offline greatly but for android it's ****. I guess I can try copilot
[Touch CDMA Android Development] gentle_giant:
interesting thread apart from flaming that poor guy who put up the question about offline GPs.

how did I get here? googling the axact same question about offline GPSs.

on my country unlimeted webaccess cost € 100,- per month...

did any one check Ndrives website? go to their website » introducing Ndrive»discription. the second alinea reads this:

"NDrive 11 transforms your smartphone into a powerful turn-by-turn navigation device. Compatible with multiple mobile platforms and screen sizes, NDrive 11 offers the newest maps from the professional cartographer NAVTEQ. Maps are fully stored directly on your device allowing the application to navigate accurately without internet Wi-Fi, 3G, or 4G connections. With connectivity, NDrive 11 offers users to access a vast amount of innovative features."

hope this helps a little.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] sliverz:
I just broke my pnd and looking for alternative replacement,

my option is to buy another pnd, or buying an android handheld with gps

Buying an android is an interesting option, as my phone is getting quite old, I will have another nice reason to upgrade. It is quite a shame that a "senior member" can be a troll in this thread.

I only use my phone to call and sms, I don't browse on it, so there is no reason for me to buy a data plan for it, never need it, and doesn't plan to buy it just for a gps solution.

I fully support the op questioning offline gps on android devices, and can't understand so many people doesn't understand the importance of that feature.

Google move on offline google navigation has a big potential to render a lot of standalone pnd device absolute.

After reading this lengthy thread, I came to a conclusion that we are just not there yet.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] xplus93:
truly if you have a smartphone, and don't use internet on it you are defeating the purpose of a smartphone, so you should really get a data plan for a smartphone, its kinda why the carriers force you into it now. on the other hand i used to kinda have the same situation, i was an add-on line and the account holder didn't want data. i figured one thing out, winmo for no data plan, android for data plan, unless you have constant wifi, and what i did for android gps, was get the route before i left from google maps and it would still keep a gps fix
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Okluzhion:
Do you think data plans are the same in all countries? They can have sky-high prices.

I have 1GB (+100 free minutes for calls and 50 free SMS) for around $12 (60kn) a month. I think that's pretty ok.

But I still want a GPS app that allows me to use offline maps for navigation.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jp_iles:
I'm not sure all of you have considered all possible reasons for wanting an offline GPS system and the flaming of the OP is just stupid.

I got to this thread because I'm after the same thing - an offline GPS system that I can use without having to have a live data connection. I have a cheap unlimited data plan, but that all goes to sh1t when you're in the mountains and have sucky reception. You're travelling happily down a route when all of a sudden there's traffic or some other reason to warrant a change of road. But you're out of range from the nearest tower. With an online system, you're buggered. I've had it with that dependancy, it sucks botty.

So - does anyone have any sensible advice for finding an offline Android GPS system that someone can use IRRESPECTIVE of their reasons for wanting on?

Cheers.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Keyosuke:
On the topic of GPS without a data plan, I've been wanting this forever. I'm glad so many people have suggested apps. I'm going to try all of these ideas. If I find a winner, I'll probably come back and thank you all again. Extra thanks to the OP for having the balls to continue insisting that this is a noble question that needs answering, because as time goes by, more people get a chance to answer it.

This thread cracks me up, because I just bought a phone with no data plan, no voice plan, and no plan to get any of those plans. Why? Because an Android portable device isn't always a "Smartphone" unless you use it as a "Smartphone".

To a developer, like a few of the people who read this thread probably are, an Android device is a device that can be used to satisfy many needs. I've used "Phones" as ebook readers since 2000, before Kindle was an idea in anyones head. I've used the HTC Universal as an entire PC for over a year, for nearly everything, and that was around 2005. I know a few friends that will drop hundreds on Arduino hardware to make a robot, an electronically controlled fish feeding system, or other bizarre custom applications, and they're all switching to Android for that type of use, simply because an Android phone can do many of the same things, and much more more, for a lower price. It's a shame so many people have repeated over and over again how Android = Smartphone. That's a little ridiculous from my point of view. I think the very developers who make Android, as well as the smart folks that port it from device to device are among the people who appreciate that Android will probably control your refridgerator someday, if not be the OS that runs on your commercially purchased GPS device. So, for that matter, why is it so crazy to use an Android device without a dataplan? I'm planning on using my 1GHZ Snapdragon processor carrying "HTC Droid Incredible" as an mp3 player, portable movie player, ebook reader, GPS (NOT A-GPS), Music Composer, Digital Recorder, Word Processor, and VOIP Client. Look up the cost of an 802.11g enabled VIOP phone, or an mp3 player that also plays DVD encoded movies and tell me again how I shouldn't buy an Android device sold as a "Smartphone" without a dataplan. And I have no problem affording data plans. I live in the US and have had unlimited for the past 5 years on a different phone. I don't see how that is relevant. I like to hike and dataplans don't work on the side of mountains surrounded by other mountains and no wireless base stations.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Spey:
Keyosuke, excellent comments.

I have been dual-booting Android/WinMo since v1.6, and this same issue has been a primary reason for not fully committing to Android (functional device OS independent of broad-band-connectivity).

Stand alone GPS (vs. A-GPS with Big Brother watching you wherever you are ...) is my preferential use. Making "tracks" while riding MTB trails, etc. outside of cel and/or broadband coverage areas, hunting, fishing, etc. in non-urban surrounds (read no coverage areas), on the hwy's in same types of areas (with forethought to have maps stored on SD-card, etc.). Numerous are the reasons for using a "Smartphone" without data-coverage-plan (I think that when the industry moved away from "PocketPC" descriptive onto "Smartphone" was a step in the wrong direction).

I would like to also like to request consideration for development of Android OS functionality independent of live data-connection. Whether it's because user chooses no-data-plan or coverage-not-available should make no difference.

Respectfully,
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrkite38:
Guys, it's a different world than when this thread was started two years ago. Internal storage space on Vogue is 256MB. Yes, MB. Sdcards were 4GB or MAYBE 8 if you were willing to really fork out. Vogue doesn't have the horsepower to play HD video. You could still purchase a smartphone without a data plan and screw yourself on data charges.

Bottom line, windows mobile was designed with a 'data when necessary' philosophy. Android was clearly designed for always on. Our beef with the OP was his frustration about no offline GPS solutions for a BRAND NEW mobile OS that was designed to be always connected. We were sure it would happen eventually, but we didn't think it was a major failing that it didn't exist.

And, don't forget, the industry doesn't make money on your cell phone without those pesky data plans. That's why the philosophy changed, and that's why you can't get a smartphone without a data package.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Truefire:
since no one seems to have provided a solution...

Check this out, it's the only app that has worked for me:

sygic (dot) com

No links because I can't, forum rules :(

I got it today after testing several 'offline' options. I do not have a data plan since I went from having a job to just being a student again.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] _A.T.Omix_:
Thanks, this looks good, too bad the country I am looking for is not included.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] BlueDragon747:
Awesome thanks just what I was looking for, used the via pc method to add UK maps works a treat :D
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrkite38:
Lol, nothing like getting thanked for a two year old post!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mileruma:
co-pilot

One of the best software to use offline on the phone or tablet. it cost little more but this is one safe software even for trucking industry. it will use internal gps from your phone. I used this soft. on nexus s.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drizzy77:
Offline Android GPS List - No Internet Required

There are many offline Android GPS apps. Here are some of the better ones:

*CoPilot

NavDroid

*MapDroyd

IGoMyWay

Locus

*Sygic

Orux

*TomTom

*Navigon

*NDrive

Navitel

*NavFree

TravelDroyd

Navit

* Seem to be the highest rated, but YMMV. :)

You can also download Google Maps for any area and use them offline, but you won't get vocal navigation or online directions, just GPS-sync'ed maps, like a paper map.

Many of these apps are FREE, and some are very inexpensive. No need to spend a lot of money.

The OSM Project (open street map) provides free maps that are used on a wide range of Android apps (openstreetmap dot org)

Before you commit to any app, always download a demo and use it for a few days.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] _A.T.Omix_:
According to Google Maps official blog, GMaps is getting an overhaul in the next few days which will improve offline navigation.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] terrymc:
I agree with you, if a tom tom can run gps without data, then why can't you use it on phone without using data, just another way to use your data up, when you could use it for something else. Isn't it almost like ILLEGAL to charge for something that is FREE?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Ha. Tell that to Aquafina.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Anilkumarsingh:
Hi there,

Yeah! there are few such android apps which lets you save offline maps in your devices and you don't even need a data connection for that. These apps prompt you to download chunks of available maps. You just need the appropriate space in your device. Find them below:

MapFactor GPS Navigation Maps

GPS Navigation and Maps Sygic (Powered bty TomTom)

CoPilot GPS Sat-Nav Navigation

These are easily available on the Google Play Store and are worth a try.

Thanks:)
[Desire General] djet:
I've see much vids of Desire but none of them reveal the capabilities of the new joystick. What are its functions, is it more close to joystick or a trackpad?
[Desire General] gizz68erz:
its like the trackball of the other android devices, just optical -> u can slide over it....and if u hold your finger on the optic sensor u can klick with it, somebody said in a video that u'll get hardware feedback when using the optical joy

edit: at 0:30

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLjsEP_D3Os&feature=related
[Desire General] djet:
Yeah I saw that vid. Simple swiping and clicking can be done with touch screen either. A demonstration of more precise operations is needed.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
What more precise operations?

Thats all you're going to do with it lol, swiping and clicking.
[Desire General] djet:
A real joystick or a real trackpad allows much more than swiping and clicking.

For example, you can hold a joystick direction to trigger autorepeat or make really fast movements without taking finger off.
[Desire General] metamorph8:
it's an optical trackball, for want of a better term.
[Desire General] john boot:
In the same way that you get optical mice as opposed to a mouse with a ball in the bottom. The optical trackpad is simply an optical version of the scroll ball... in other words, same functions as the regular scroll ball without the moving parts.
[Desire General] brummiesteven:
Would this be your first android device?

You don't really need to do that in android, I don't think I ever have on the G1
[Desire General] ClausG76:
It would be usefull in some apps like games or emulators.
[Desire General] lambrospower:
there may be an option to add shortcuts when clicking at home screen......like one tab go to appA two tabs go to appB...dunno some imagination:P
[Desire General] Ethania:
This is what I want too.

Dont want my big thumbs messing up the whole screen.
[Desire General] deekjx:
I look forward to the optical tracking system. I suppose it may be because I don't play action style games. I'm more of a puzzle/cards kind of guy. There are very few times I play phone games any how.
[Desire General] incaaa:
Actually i can't see the optical version making more sense, than the mechanical.

I personally almost never use it.
[Desire General] AudunXetrov:
I believe its main uses would be as a hardware camera-button (that is, for taking the photo), and to scroll in text when typing.
[Desire General] unCoRrUpTeD:
Yep....Useless....I use my trackball about once every couple of days. Touch here and touch there is much faster... Oh wait I use it whenever I install a new ROM.. Just checking the threads trying to find something.
[Desire General] OnlinePredator:
That's why desire is good, no trackball sticking out! Nice and small button with optical tracking ;-)
[Desire General] vegetaleb:
Can it be used like the N1 trackball for missed calls and sms??

Blinking lights I mean
[Desire General] jpxdude:
Just to answer a couple of questions:

1) There is no notification light on the optical trackpad.

2) I've tried this with the Nesoid emulator and while it works, it's pretty terrible to use for directional control, but maybe OK for any games that require 'swiping' motions.
[Desire General] Gibbz1:
does the onscreen pad and buttons support multitouch? you can use dpad while pressing A for example?
[Desire General] jpxdude:
Hi There,

It does support Multitouch, but it is pretty fiddly, I think because the image of the onscreen d-pad and buttons to not line up exactly on the Desire with Nesoid. I have had more luck with the multitouch using Snesoid, which feels very good! (i.e, in Super Mario All-Stars I can run and jump at the same time)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] phillyboi47:
Could someone please inform me on what's the significance of having a linux swap partition on your SD? What is it and how do i do it?

and does compcache really help speed up the phone? i've heard that it actually makes it slower.

a response would be appreciated, thanks!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foyaeman:
A linux-swap partition acts the same as a file swap would, becoming a place for the system to place cache for your apps. It helps speeds up app loading times by keeping them (and their components) in cache, even when not in use. Basically it expands the phones hardware RAM.

Compcache essentially expands your onboard RAM. The only tradeoff is that the extra space must be dynamically compressed/decompressed, which is considerably more taxing for the CPU.

I can't say out of experience that compcache actually slow down the phone substantially.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] r3s-rt:
compcache w/ backingswap ftw. look into that. i've tried swap - its decent. i've tried compcache - hate it. compcache w/ backing swap? amazing!