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[HD2 General] payneardo:
Hi all just wondered if anybody has had trouble with bluetooth streaming

I have mine setup to the car stereo and it connects fine but when playing music is terrible keeps stoping at random intervals during different songs making it not very nice to listen to :(

I do have wifi turned on and I am going to try and turn this off and see if it improves but has worked well before both with an iphone and a cheap nokia

Any ideas will be great

Cheers

Dave
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
What do you guys think of getting involved in a class action against HTC/Microsoft if HD2 is not allowed WP7? Now that WP7 is announced, many software companies are going to stop (or already stopped) developing for WinMo 6.5 and we are left outside with an already bricked 2 month old device (it's not even out for USA). I don't like paying $1.000 (yes it is that expensive where I live) for a device which will be outdated in 2 months. HTC and Microsoft should be more loyal to their customers than that. What do you all think?
[HD2 General] elyl:
HTC and Microsoft never promised a WP7S upgrade.

If you're thinking about raising a class action for something that wasn't in the contract of sale, you are, as we say in Scotland, an eejit (idiot).

Sell your HD2 now and be phone-less for 6 months, then buy a Wp7s capable phone. Or at the very least wait for an official announcement on whether it will be upgradable or not.
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
they never promised an upgrade, but they never said that we won't be able to use WP7 apps as well. Even when you buy a desktop PC with Windows, you're given the option of free upgrade when the new OS is imminent, else no one would buy. And that's when you can still perfectly use all the new applications on your old OS. Don't you feel kinda being cheated, is it only me??
[HD2 General] shutdown:
bricked device? it still works doesn't it? you've got a year or so before 7 really hits the mass market, that doesn't stop your phone from working NOW.

do you look at cars the same way? I got my Renault Laguna, it's made in 2001 but I'm not moaning because they don't let me upgrade to the nice shiny 2010 model engine just because i have an older version.

I don't get the complaining about being able to have 7 on their phone when clearly it doesn't have the hardware (4 point multi touch, 3 buttons etc) that windows 7 needs.

I'm sure MS or HTC will take the OS as far as they feel like before 7 rolls out and I would not doubt that some of the clever code monkeys here on XDA will be able to cook up a fantastic 7 ROM that will work in some way on our currently working and rather impressive HD2's
[HD2 General] Richy99:
why are people complaining about not having win7 available on the device when it is out in about 7 months time? Did you buy the HD2 SOLELY on the basis it would have this upgrade in OS? Did HTC promise you that it was going to upgraded to win7 when it came out?
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
WP7 is not new version of WM6.5. Call it Zune Phone and it all becomes clear.

And even if free upgrade is offered sometimes with desktop computers, it clearly is stated as a part of the contract. Here it was not. If you don't like it, you should have not bought it.
[HD2 General] ribcage:
I had thought of hanging on to my Touch Pro until WP7 came out. I ended up getting the HD2 and I've never had so much fun with a phone.

We are spoiled rotten in this community. I can get my device to do anything I want it to do and a few things I hadn't even thought of thanks to the hard work, generosity and smarts of the good people who contribute to these forums.

Come on! We don't even know if we will like WP7 yet! Enjoy the amazing device you have. Modify it, flash it, load a thousand apps on it if you like.

By the time WP7 is stable, usable and has a load of good apps, we'll probably be good and ready for an upgrade.
[HD2 General] englefield:
If the HD2 does everything you need in a phone what does it matter if it will run 7 or not? Especially if HTC never promised it would.

If its just for epeen status you're gonna look like gypsy joe anyway come the time trying to run a new OS on an old phone. Either way I am sure some bright spark on XDA will make 7 run on the HD2.
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
Also remember that WP7 is brand new OS with no applications at all. It will take at least a year till it will start to be usable for basic operation. We don't know how hard it will be to adapt actual applications. It might be minor modifications, it might be totally impossible, and everything would have to be done from the scratch.

Yes .. we all want new better WM .. but WP7 is just not that.
[HD2 General] ardsar:
How many more threads are we going to get on the same subject.

WM6.5.5 is NOT being withdrawn and will continue to support the business users. From what i've seen of wm7, its "pants" and not suitable for business use, but thats my opinion.

I find it difficult to beleive that so many of you purchased the phone based on the pretence that it would be upgraded to WM7. At the end of the day, you will get it anyway - albeit not from HTC but from XDA.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are right but most applications developers stoped developing for wm6.5 and starts to develope for the upcoming wp7 series so it is wm6.5 end (but not in an official way)
[HD2 General] thewookie78:
reasons why this bull

1 in the box which my htc hd2 was piece of paper saying that this phone would get a upgrade to wm7

2 there footage of wm7 on the htc hd2

3 the fact that ms always denie all rumours about all their products

4 no device has 4 point mutil touch if was the case this would be a big deal for microsoft as apple owns the patents for true mutil touch screens

5 windows specs change all the time and this is true for all software

6 the htc hd2 pro is coming out and professionals would want wm7
[HD2 General] shutdown:
a piece of paper may say they will do 7 but maybe the rules changed and they discovered in the full release version they can't run wm7

i'm sure the initial idea was great but reality has deemed the hd2 not suitable for wm7

would a pro want an OS that's not allowing backward compatibility of their "pro" apps? no so maybe they'll stick with 6.5xxxx

have you actually tried wm7 yet? all this fuss and it might turn out to be rubbish then i guess you'll bring another class action against MS to say you want 6.5 back

whether it be Apple/MS/HTC they can't please everyone but to rant about it BEFORE the OS is out is pretty pointless. think logically rather than throw toys from pram please
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
I think WP7 will be business oriented. Only think they can do better then the others would be exchange synchronization. Otherwise I see no reason why would anybody buy it. And before new apps are done for it, iPhone will have new version, Android will be at 3.0 and another players may show up.
[HD2 General] Aleemz:
:D :D :D

Sorry guys, I couldn't help it
[HD2 General] lude219:
this forum gets dumber by the day.
[HD2 General] scottmo:
I'll Stick with 6.5!

Why does anyone want WP7 anyway? My phone works just the way I want it (now, after a few problems initially), it is fast, looks great and makes most other phones look like they were just dug up in an episode of Time Team!

I have just about every app I could want, running beautifully and doing pretty much everything I could ever need. If I was offered WP7 today I would say no! An untried OS with no software support for at least another 6 months (after release) and we don't know how customizable or flexible it will be... I'd be mad to jump ship from 6.5!

When I know what the new OS actually is, when I know I can get all the software I require and that I can make the phone the way I want it and that the OS is something I actually like THEN... I'll have a new device that will have even more bells and whistles and this won't be an issue... :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
why would you like to stay with un supported version of os ,as wp7 arrives developers will stop developing for wm6.5
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
+1 -CLASS ACTION? That is so laughable! End these threads please it just annoying to guess at everything. Wait for the MIX '10 and listen to then as to what they want to say. Until then no more threads about WP7 upgrades on HD2...wahh.wahhh.wahhh...
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
There goes another 2 minutes of my life. When will I learn....
[HD2 General] elyl:
No there wasn't :p
[HD2 General] bowpay:
While I agree with most of users on this thread I do think that Microsoft should allow a HD2 upgrade --better yet "ANY" newly sold, hardware capable device should get the upgrade. I would be happy if I had the option to purchase the upgrade. Hell I would rather pay $200 for a new OS then fork over another $900!

I don't think we have a leg to stand on as far as putting together a class action law suit. I do think that its poor choice on Microsofts part to alienate a lot of customers.

Possibily if we sign this petition to show Microsoft just how mad we are maybe they will decide to allow the upgrade.

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/

I am debating on selling my Telstra version because I also purchased this device because of the rumor that floated around.

I love the device but I am going to develop WM7 apps so its more important to have a WM7 upgradeable device than a HD2. :(
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
These threads get more ridiculous by the minute. Most 'developments' for WM6 are done in and around these forums as tweaks to the OS and its usability. There is not a single app I use (that wasn't included in the core HD2 OS) that adds new features and is a standalone 'app'.

To be honest I couldn't give a flying jizzstain if developers such as Glu and Gameloft stopped development for WinMo games as I have an iPhone to play games on if need be (and never do) I bought the HD2 for Sense, Opera, that great big capacitive screen and all those other built in lovelies. I have NEVER cared about the Windows Marketplace and as far as I'm concerned it can crawl into Hell; it certainly belongs there.

To suggest a class action against HTC and Microsoft is goddamn ridiculous. You either like the phone at point of sale or you don't. WP7 is nothing like WM6 with Sense so why the hell would you buy a phone anticipating an OS which is completely different? It's INSANE!!!

At least you're not a poor Toshiba TG01 owner; at least HTC are at least providing updates; at least we have a development community here that will continue to develop.

Now...start saving if you want a WP7 phone and stop freakin' moaning you lot.
[HD2 General] bowpay:
See your not a developer and I am sure I wasn't the only developer to purchase this phone gambling on the idea to get the WM7 upgrade. Yes, it was a gamble and right now it doesn't look like its going to pay off. You have to see it as we do... We knew that introducing a new OS that is not backwards compatible will create a huge need for WM7 applications. Now that we have the right tools, silverlight and VS2010, we can now develop applications that match or exceed iPhone apps.

I also love this forum because of threads like this. Makes the community come together and discuss technology and ideas. I wouldn't trash the thread and besides if we keep our mouth shut companies like Microsft will think we are always happy ;). I guarantee Microsoft reads these threads and if they are maybe it will help some, if not the HD2 maybe with future devices.
[HD2 General] ellergek:
I think that you need to wake the hell up - the phone you bought still works just fine, and neither you, nor anyone else who purchased an HD2, has a "right" to WM7, which is what your post implies.

But, if you have a lot of money to throw away on attorneys, I would bet that you could find one that would take the case - so you go right ahead and file this lawsuit, and let us all know how that works for you.
[HD2 General] forelli:
Don't you think HTC isn't as mad as you are? They thought they made it and now, they have to developp another device W7 capable! Plus, imagine an HTC phone without SENSE, it doesn't make sense really!

After what I've seen about windows 7 from the World Mobile Congress, I decided to sell my Omnia II and my Blackstone to buy myself an HD2: I'll stick to wm 6.5.5 because I need multitasking, SENSE, and the apps I need are already on the market. If I wanted an iPhone, I would have bought one. Not changing my mind because it will be M$ branded!

W7PS will try to take on Apple market shares, so don't expect anything brilliant: the targets are not people like us, we're 10% of the market, the targets are teenies and anybody likely to buy an iPhone for the very reason why we didn't: no multitasking (understand: easy of use), hype and fancy (like a beautiful girl with no brain), they say "communication oriented" but if they mean that I'll be able to know straight on the start screen that Monica posted on facebook that she's heading to the library, I really don't give a $ about it. I don't use facebook on my phone anyway, I prefer to text or to call people.

Truth is, until now, MS strategy was to respond to customers needs. At least they tried. Now, just like Apple, they will create the "need" (don't be fooled, their need for money, not for your satisfaction), namely, apps. Why do they createa not compatible-with-old-apps platform? To even make you pay for what you already have!

Like Robert De Niro alias Sam Rothstein said in Casino: Well, it wasn't long before what I was afraid was gonna happened, happen...
[HD2 General] lude219:
You gambled and lost, and it's somehow MS/HTC's fault that they wouldn't deliver WM7 for the HD2? Maybe next time i buy the lottery and didn't win, I'll be sure to sue the lottery commission for making the odds 10mil to 1.:rolleyes: I don't remember seeing any notes in my Euro and Telstra box regarding WM7 upgrade, do you? So where's all the anger coming from?

And since you're a developer, I'm sure you got the first-hand memo of WM7 not being backward compatible with current winCE kernel? Who told you that it wasn't backward compatible? Mr. "Somewhere on the Internet"?
[HD2 General] bowpay:
I never said that its Microsoft or HTC's fault. It was my fault for jumping the gun, if it doesn't get the upgrade. I also do not support putting together a class action lawsuit. The thread creator simply asked for a response from the community on the idea. I am also not mad I was simply saying that they should give the HD2 the upgrade as a way to keep current HD2 owners from jumping ship to Android devices. Theres is a mobile war going on right now and losing customers because of a silly 3 button rule doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

No i didn't talk to Mr. "Somewhere on the internet" although I am sure he would of known. lol WM7 will support silverlight applications and I haven't seen silverlight run on WM6.5 yet and doubt that they will spend the time trying to get it to run. I also haven't seen flash run on the devices either. My best guess is that these technologies perform very bad and this is another reason why a new OS was needed. Of course this is all speculation but I am sure they would have made it happen by now if it were possible. Why waste resources developing silverlight for WM6.5 with such a short shelf life?
[HD2 General] lude219:
You don't see full flash on the HD2 is due to licensing. It has nothing to do with the hardware not being able to support it. Prior to silverlight, flash was a proprietary of Adobe. Regarding to your question as to why MS just didn't bring Silverlight to the HD2, well, wouldn't that deter some of the future sales of WM7? Flash is the latest crave of the mobile world, and it's bad business if you just release whatever latest and greatest to legacy devices. But you're a developer, so i don't expect you to understand the business aspect of it. If everything were so simple, we'd all be fat from eating cakes.
[HD2 General] bowpay:
Care to show proof that licensing is the issue? I do believe that performance has been an issue. I also don't think that WM7 will be backwards compatible as it will be a completely new OS. Using your argument why allow WM7 to be backwards compatible with WM6 applications? Why not force everyone to purchase new applications through microsofts app store? You do know that it costs $100 to become a developer in the market place don't you? I guess I don't understand the business aspect of it.
[HD2 General] lude219:
Show proof? I mean, wouldn't that be common sense to you? Why on earth would MS put another party's flash software on their OS when they already have Silverlight? It's called R&D, maybe MS wasn't ready to release their silverlight version onto 6.1/6.5. Another reason? Poor sales and just a lackluster marketing of 6.1/6.5 (in case you didn't know) would dictate that you should hold off until you're ready to package it fully. Again, you're a developer so I don't expect you to get the whole picture. In case you need more proof, MS and Adobe signed a contract. http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9894639-37.html

I don't really care if WM7 is backward compatible or not, I'm just pointing out how every rumor is instinctively turn into "facts" and how you're so certain that WM7 won't be backward compatible. If you have a credible source other than "some guy on the internet" who told you, I'd love to read it.

...and yes, I do know that a developer has to pay to have their software hosted on the app store. What does that have to do with anything? You pay for the service to have your software listed worldwide. The app store/marketplace is a B2B model. Or am I supposed to think that a developer just post everything up for free and reap the rewards? I don't see what you're trying to get at here.
[HD2 General] bowpay:
I was responding to this. I am not going to go back and forth over a bunch of speculation at this point. I was simply responding to the original thread. No I don't think a class action is a good idea but I do think that signing the petition may help.

Commenting on my business background based on one post is very childish and unproductive. I do understand this about business-- Customer Service. If you get enough customers complaining about the same thing you eventually have to address the situation.

The mobile market is at a pivotal point where the line between PC and Pocket PC is blurring. Microsoft will have to address this very soon and change how the licensing is done because the users will demand it.
[HD2 General] lude219:
It's funny that you're talking about customer service. If you know anything about business, you'd know that the customers aren't always right. I don't want to keep on going back and forth, but I feel as though you (and pretty much everyone who is moaning and crying) are going at this the wrong way. It's just stupid and idiotic to sell the HD2 or abandon ship under a bunch of false pretense.

What exactly are there to complain about? Please clue me in. Did MS or HTC renege something on their end? Did they sell you a product that's wrongly advertised? Did they promised something and ended up pulling the rug from under you?

I wonder which side is being childish and unproductive. WM7 is not coming out until the end of the year and you're already contemplating of selling your telstra HD2 due to a bunch of rumors?
[HD2 General] Archer:
The best thing about this thread is the up-coming post by a mod telling us that it's run its course and should be closed now. I, for one, can't wait for that!

This is Trollfest 2010.
[HD2 General] bowpay:
Ok you win. Thank you oh wise one. ;) Close the thread now.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I didn't buy my HD2 on the assumption that it would get an upgrade to WM7 - but, equally well, I wasn't expecting WM6.5 to cease to be a viable platform for commercial software development just three months later, either. It would be interesting to know when HTC knew that WP7 would be incompatible with Windows Mobile software (and thus, that WM6.x was a development dead-end). If they were aware of that at the time the HD2 launched, then some of their advertising regarding the merits of the phone's Operating System could be regarded as extremely misleading.
[HD2 General] fards:
Well *IF* The HD2 got a wPOS7 "upgrade". I'd be selling mine..

it looks awful, toy operating system designed for f8ckwits who don't use "3 or 4 screens ever"..

no thanks! I want my powerful multifunctional OS that works fantastically well as it is on my uber powerful device thank you very much..

HD2 and wm6.5.5 are perfectly suited, why are people so obsessed with trying to make it into a dumbphone?

that should trigger a thread closure :p
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Christ, this thread is hilarious.
[HD2 General] scottmo:
Eh?

By the time developers stop developing for WM6 I won't have this phone!

It's really simple. How long does anyone keep a device these days? I keep mine for about a year then upgrade. When the year is up, about 9 months or so now, WP7 will be supported properly and I will have a new device running the new OS. I don't need any new software for my device just now so what is the problem? HD2 doesn't need WP7. WP7 will be fine on my next device, (unless it is as bad as it looks like it might be atm, in which case Android here I come!) like I said, simple!
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Some commercial developers have already stopped.
[HD2 General] bronx:
guys... this is madness... :eek: some of You sound like damn nasty addicts...

ow gawd, ow gawd I won't get new apps 'n games... booo hooo!! :rolleyes:

I personally think, that hd2 is perfect NOW. (well... coOkie's tab and johncmolyneux's tweaker made it perfect :D ) why shall I care what's going to happen by the end of year? all the apps that I need are allready in my device, so leo is going to be my most useful little helper for at least next 12 months and the other thing is that my contract expires in 15 mths, so.... :rolleyes: I just don't get this whole drama thing... class action? get a life please...
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
I disagree. I see WPS7 being a big masturbation of multimedia,social networking and games. Trying to attract younger consumers and getting parents to buy the "Latest and greatest". Also another consumer base I feel targeted at the young adults that are heavy into multimedia,social networking and games that must "show off" they have the best. True business power users will not have the selection of software needed for some time. Companies do not supply employees with the latest and greatest, do not invest in somthing that has not been "field proven". They use current hardware,software until there is absolutely no other option.

I have a rule I follow with Microsoft. I do not change operating systems until at least the first service pack, sometimes the second service pack. I still have good ole Winxp Pro on several machines. For me personally, let everyone else try out WPS7, but the time it is "up to snuff" the HD2 hardware will be dated. Also, I might not even like WPS7.

When I look at the majority of the threads here, Most are talking or complaining about social networking issues. SMS,Twitter,Facebook, etc. As well as watching videos/movies. How many people here are talking about using business software, in field data collection, advanced number crunching applications, etc? Better yet, just using it as a phone? For some the HD2 is a tool, for some the HD2 is a toy.

For me, it will be a phone as well as a tool for work and Winmo6.5 will do just fine. I do not have time at work for social networking. To be honest, the last thing I want to do after work is anything involving E-mail,SMS,twitter,facebook,etc. I rather go outside and enjoy life, interact with humans in person, not some electronic contact. Have my phone with me in case of emergencies.

Thank you,

Monnie