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[HD2 General] Pursuitz:
Seriously MS screwed up regardin this matter as it rly doesn't make any sense on e part where my hd2 has 5 buttons hence its unable to upgrade to wm7... Its like some1 who is born wifout any defects sayin to another " Hey, u are born wif oni one arm... hence u should be classified as an alien n not a human"... also i tink if their clients (in other words, ppl using e hd2) are willin to offer them $$, they might retract this statement which they made.

otherwise, congratulations MS, u lost another customer wif high hopes overnite... n yr rival, android have gain another client :)
[HD2 General] rawhide85:
Tmo US HD2

Just to clarify, the Tmo US launch is rumored to be March 24th. The fact that HTC was able to increase the rom/ram indicates that HTC still has some control. I find it ironic that so many members praised the HD2, and are now complaining because of the non-upgrade. Either it is a great device or not. I am still going to get this powerhouse, and just use the Tmo US partial upgrade discount in the future. Lets stay positive good news will come from MIX.
[HD2 General] sonus:
Come on people, please.... get it together and use your heads.

Do you really think a phone will be disqualified from WP7 just b/c it has more than 3 buttons????????????

Its pretty obvious that he meant it doesn't have the three buttons. Which are clearly the Bing, back, and home buttons. The HD2 doesn't have these, and that's HTC's fault (I'm more than sure they knew what MS was going for before they made the HD2). If this wasn't the case, phones like the new LG w/QWERTY wouldn't be running WP7.
[HD2 General] webmice:
Just like HTC does not release WM6.5 for my "old" Touch Diamond, there is plenty of WM6.5 cooks in XDA-Developers to get if I really wanted it. The point is once the product warranty expired before new version release, HTC have no commitment to provide an upgrade.

Same with HD2, probably when WM7 is released, the 1 year warranty (mine was since Dec. '09) will probably be over. Don't expect HTC to provide an upgrade.

Casio was good when I had a WinCE 1.1 device and they charged some six dollars (USD) for upgrading to WinCE 1.2 even warranty expired. But that was 13 years ago. ha ha ha.

** But it is nevertheless disappointing for those who are ready to buy, but now wonder if they should buy the HD2 (or any WM6.5 device).
[HD2 General] Starfury:
All the doom and gloom ffs, chill out and just roll with it...

When HTC launched the Tytn2 it was the best available at the time running WM6.0 and the last software release HTC did for it was WM6.1. Then a while later WM6.5 came out and HTC said sorry no we aren't doing an update for Tytn2 to WM6.5, but it didn't matter as the great chefs that had Tytn2's were already using leaked builds and making their own WM6.5 releases, 4 - 6 months before WM6.5 was even officially released.

Exactly the same will happen with the HD2, whether or not we get WP7S officially via HTC/MS support or whether the chefs here at XDA get a leaked build, I am extremely confident that our HD2's will have the option of custom WindowsPhone7Series ROM's because you can't keep a good and dedicated ROM chef from achieving what they want, as many years here at XDA has taught me.

So with that, why not be a bit more positive and keep your eyes peeled for WP7S leaked builds to give the chefs a running start eh? :D

PS Webmice its a 24 month warranty ;)
[HD2 General] raphy82:
Dissapointed,,,

Friends, i´m not saying i´m sorry that we don´t get wp 7 or 8 or 9.

What i´m pissed over is that we were PROMISSED a Multi touch device. And yet, there isn´t any games or apps for it...

WHY ???

Because we are missing the API...

I was only hopping that we would get that from wp7 to be able to develop apps and games so that we can get out the features and enjoy even more WHAT WE PAID FOR... thats all i´m saying...
[HD2 General] jigners:
If you've ever seen Winmo 7 in MWC in Barcelona or previews of it in youtube

its just about the MOST BLAND UI I've ever seen
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Its a shame really as most concepts look impressive, especially compared to their production models (think 'cars', for example), lets hope for WP7's sake that the opposite will happen here.

I personally don't see what all the fuss is about, woo the menus slide around and flip upside down! Yey! I just need to look at my text message, not a fluffy menu.

The Sense UI is a nice mix of function and looks, I much prefer it to a design that doesn't even fit on the screen ;)
[HD2 General] adrian-polglase:
I'm also definitely annoyed. I will admit it is true that I bought the device for what it is but what I didn't see coming was a complete re-write which basically cuts our phones dead within the first few months of release!!!

I bought my HD2 in December, now since the announcement of WP7 who exactly is going to develop commercial type apps and enhancements for my phone when they know that it won't work with the new OS which is coming in a few months - it's almost like selling you an Analogue TV and cutting off the signal within 3 months - but don't worry, you can still use your TV to watch DVDs... :eek:

Of course, having said this, it's funny to note that most of the true and confirmed news for the HD2 has been released on almost every tech news site on the planet, whereas this announcement only seems to be sourced from one place... in the Asia-Pacific region. So I'm still holding hope.

If Microsoft want me to keep buying their products, they better release an upgrade and treat the customers who didn't jump ship to Android and iPhones with a little respect. I hold hope! :p
[HD2 General] young blade:
+1 I'm so feelin this..:cool:
[HD2 General] wigwam12:
I disagree entirely.

Admittedly the superior hardware of the HD2 and possible (okay I admit I thought it was "probable") WM7 support were definately a factor in my thinking BUT:

-we would ;ose support for all cabs/tweaks that currently work for WiMo6.5

-SenseUI looks great so not as is we are suffering a bland native interface BUT we have the option of Win familiarity for any more complex stuff [admittedly I would like Sense to be tweaked a little more to iron out niggles].

-This was ALWAYS going to be a year for real take-off in the mobile phone sector and I for one went for a 12month deal for just that reason.

-If it WAS somehow ported on I would really want to see that I was able to maintain or ideally improve my current functionality before I would consider uploading WM7 to the phone.

The principle might rankle but really why the obsession with the OS on your phone if it will not do much more than you already have available to you.

now if HTC dropped software support for the HD2 at this juncture to concentrate on a new WM7 phone THAT would be annoying
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
LOL..the WP7S will hurt HTC badly..theve spent millions in bringing up touchflo and sense UI, to help market WInMO devices and still stay in competition after all these will, and now ms says screw u, u cant change WS7P, that sux..MS is turning into apple..

my next phone will be android.. screw microsoft for doing this..they betrayed me..ive been a loyal supporter since the first windows CE.
[HD2 General] morpheus1982:
Its a phone for crying out loud!
[HD2 General] ntsiotinos:
HD2 is "perfect" phone as is.......

Fully Agree: the HD2 with Sense UI is as "perfect" a phone as I could wish for. I also think that it will take Microsoft at least a year (and a few service releases) before WP7S is stable enough to match WM6.x. By which time most current HD2 owners will be ready for a new phone in any case.

So roll on WP7S......
[HD2 General] morpheus1982:
+1.

I will not be ready to upgrade HD2 until May 2011 (or a month before), so who cares if HD2 isnt upgraded to WP7S? When it is time for upgrade I will be forced to choose what O2 have available anyway, because I am not jumping network. O2 are very good IMO.
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
Thats pretty lame though dont you think... Microsoft know that any button can be reconfigured.

Also.... The only official devices i have seen running WP7 series have 3 buttons on the front fascia ONLY.

The qwerty on the LG prototype isnt on the front of the phone.

Until someone spots an official/prototype handset that has more then 3 front facing buttons then the question is up in the air.

Use your own head next time =)
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Jup. But if we just wanted a 'phone', we would have paid 50 bucks for a simple Nokia or something. Now we paid A LOT of money, we want a good phone, right?

And for the people that say 'they can not do this, they have to be strict with the new rules and can not make exceptions' .. this is the HD2 we are talking about, THEIR best 'beast of a phone' that was JUST released in EU/Asia, and will be released in US soon. And no upgrade for the Windows Mobile king, because of a button? That would be weird, right? :rolleyes: Now I really want to know what the HD2 is missing 'hardware-wise', because I can't imagine anything. We will learn more soon, patience is key in this situation :cool:
[HD2 General] wigwam12:
I think, to be fair, if ANYONE has a right to be miffed at this [assuming it pans out to be true] it is HTC as they took an active decision to supoprt WinMo with the HD2 when there was a small clamor for HD2 Andriod
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
this is how MS repays HTC and its customers...

i Hate the no backward compatibilities..ive bought tons of programs and apps . Now if i were to buy a WP7S, all of these would go to waste.. all my expensive medical apps from skyscape which i used all these years gone.
[HD2 General] Lorddeff07:
Its completely ridiculous to merely think that it would be impossible to upgrade the HD2. Though what i have seen of WP7 seems very close-ended....

Whatever the case, MS already made me lose confidence in windows in general and I went out and got a Mac..

If they do this.... well, my next phone will be an android phone or an iphone..... yup, I said it.
[HD2 General] Lorddeff07:
Personally, i think HTC should somehow make it possible to run a android OS on the HD2.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
THAT would be an awesome idea! Didn't even enter my mind :p
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Screwed over again!!!
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Yeah, me too. It's not just the fact that the HD2 won't be upgradeable, it's the combination of it not being upgradeable with WP7 being completely incompatible with any WM6 application.

The lack of an upgrade beyond WM6.5 wouldn't bother me if WM6.5 were going to carry on being an active, supported application platform. But Microsoft's announcement that WP7 won't be backwards-compatible has effectively killed off WM6 as a viable platform as far as commercial software developers are concerned. (We're already seeing the consequences of this with Adobe announcing that they have cancelled plans to release FlashPlayer for Windows Mobile; I expect many other such decisions to follow, with most of them not being formally announced).

Back when I was buying my HD2, if I had been told "WM6.5 will be dead in a few months, but you'll get an upgrade to WP7 when it comes out" I'd still have bought it. If they'd said "you definitely won't get an upgrade to WP7, but apps developed for WM6.5 will run just as happily under WP7, so there's every reason for developers to keep on releasing WinMo software, and your phone will run it all" I'd also have been happy. But if they'd said "You won't get any OS upgrades, and WM6.5 will effectively cease to exist as a viable commercial software platform just three months after your purchase" then I might well have bought something else.
[HD2 General] pharao:
Hhmmm, I think, "well I told you so..." and took a lot of heat for it.

As it turns out Microsoft has a lot more common business sense than all the WinMo zealots of the world combined.

Why indeed should MS waste millions if not billions of US$ developing an "upgrade" version for a device for which they have already been paid their license fees?

Because most people here did expect to get that WM7 upgrade for free, right?!

Get used to it - its a business folks, not a charity!
[HD2 General] pharao:
Those were 150% my thoughts when I found out where WinMo was headed in this market.

But not to many folks are willing to accept that companies like Microsoft are in this for the profit, not for the glory of supporting a specific platform.

Get used to it, we both should have probably bought an Android phone instead ;-)
[HD2 General] pharao:
That is what I thought until I realized that this is not economically feasible for HTC.

They already pay WinMo license fees for every HD2 sold, as MS License deals are always "flat fee" deals.

Meaning, as a manufacturer you pay for each unit made, not each unit sold with the respective version of Windoze.

So HTC would have to pay license fees twice for the HD2, and that just doesn't make economic sense.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
Meh, by the time that WP7S comes out htc will have made a AMOLED version of the HD2, with more RAM etc label it a HD3 and will be time to renew my contract for an upgrade.

6.5.x will still run morphgear, FPSCE etc, whilst I wait for good apps to be ported to WP7S
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
Mod Warning

OK guys, we were doing reasonably well until we got to page 13.

I have tidied up this thread. Please keep away from abuse, stay on topic and observe the forum rules.

It is likely that someone may post a view that does not sit well with you; that's no excuse to lay into them and be abusive.

WB
[HD2 General] pharao:
There will be no "molded" version of the HD2.

HTC will not be silly enough to compete with their own lineup.

Who would still buy any of the stock HD2 models if there's an WM7 HD2 to be had?

HTC made long term contracts with cell phone service providers all over the globe and sold them entire storage areas full of HD2 phones.

Those have to be sold to end users in turn first, before HTC can make the HD2 obsolete.

When (not if) they bring out a successor phone for the HD2, it will be totally "out of competition" with the HD2.

Meaning, if its a WM7 device it will most likely have totally different hardware specs and a different price tag.

And if its a similar HW basis, then it will likely be an Android phone.

In any case, the HD2 is the last one of its line.

And since MS themselves have just now retired WM < version 7, the question has to be asked how many new WM7 devices there will be to begin with?

W/o software compatibility between older WM versions and v7, it will utterly depend on the expected customer base how many corporations will go through the expense of porting their apps to WM7.

Do not forget that WinMo already has a shrinking market share of less than 30%.

If that now shrinks even more, because to many phone manufacturers decide not to jump onto the WM7 band wagon, then the platform will be all but dead, for practical purpose, by year's end.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Pharao, you have no clue how business works.

If it were like that, no company would ever provide any updates.

Ever heard about the mighty "customer satisfaction"? There's a reason why Apple gets 99% for the iPhone. And updates play an important role there.

And by the way, WM's market share is nowhere near 30%. It's 18% in the US and less than 9% world wide.
[HD2 General] pharao:
I wrote "less than 30%" in my post.

Last time I checked, 18 & 9% are well below 30%
[HD2 General] freyberry:
And I wrote "WM's market share is nowhere near 30%. It's 18% in the US and less than 9% world wide."

So what?
[HD2 General] pharao:
So you tried to make a fuzz where there wasn't even a fizz.

That WinMo's market share is even much lower than 30% only goes to prove my point that much more.

Every additional cell phone manufacturer who at this point decides to refuse the transition to WM7 is one more nail in the coffin of the whole WinMo platform - as WM6.5 and below is already "dead" as an Operating System for developers and corporations with Microsoft's announcement that WM7 applications are not backwards compatible to WM6.5 and below.

Opposite to urban myth, Microsoft is in this for the money.

And that means if their share of the mobile phone market drops any more towards 0%, they're gonna get out of it all together.

That is called "common business sense" and has happened countless times before.

IBM -> OS/2

Apple -> Newton

Compaq -> Alpha Windows

Palm -> PalmOS

and so on and so on ...

If it ain't selling, it ain't worth marketing or developing.

Plain & simple -its business school 101
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I don't get what your problem is. I just said WM had 18/8% market share.

Obviously you're the only problem here. I don't know why you have to attack me for stating something as simple as some market share figures.

And obviously, you have no clue at all about business. By your logic, Apple would be a charity organization trying to cannibalize sales of their newest iPhone models by providing upgrades to older ones. The same applies to a lot of other companies.

There's lots of reasons to provide updates and there's lots of reasons not to provide updates. Of course, it's all about money. HTC will lose a considerable amount of money if they don't allow the HD2 to be upgraded, cause less people will buy it when it launches in the US. Of course, they also save license fees. And for sure it hurts their customer satisfaction rate. Those, among many others, are all factors to be considered.

It's really obvious to me that you're just a troll. You're not even trying to have a vital conversation, you come in with your (mostly stupid and uninformed) opinion and attack everyone who shows some common sense (including the Mods) or even just makes a simple statement like those market share figures.

Sorry for calling you stupid, but that's just what you are.
[HD2 General] webjunky:
A upgrade from 3G to 3GS ( software ) was 8 euro's , i guess a upgrade from win 6.5 to 7 would be a lot more :p
[HD2 General] freyberry:
No, all of Apple's iPhone OS upgrades are free. They only charge for iPod Touch upgrades.
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
I guess your whole point is that WM7S will not sell. Now that needs some prognostication that I doubt you are in a position to judge. For the record, what is your business background?

If the HD2 gets an upgrade or not, in the larger scheme of things, is really immaterial to the fate of WM7S and HTC.
[HD2 General] UberScooter:
This article is from last week but still worth reading question number 4 - this just adds to the mix...

http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/microsoft-wp7-interview

Scott :confused:
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Didn't you flame me for predicting this a few weeks ago Freyberry?
[HD2 General] seed_al:
And obviously he still thinks the same about it, so what do you want?

I also think MS is lying and won't tell us the real reasons and they use the buttons as pretext.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
The point is that I was basically called an idiot for for being the first to suggest that if Microsoft were adopting strict strategies with respect to the WP7 hardware they won't sanction an official update for the HD2 on the basis of its button layout. I am perfectly aware of how keen manufacturers and software vendors are to make as much money out of us as they can for the most capricious reasons and it appears that I might be proven right, much as i would prefer not to be.
[HD2 General] seed_al:
No you get it wrong. He says MS has other reasons, just because they say it's the buttons doesn't mean that it's true.

I think the same. I think they have other reasons and the buttons are just pretext. So I also think you are wrong!

I also heard somewhere that the buttons are only required for new devices, not for upgrades. Makes sense, since it has been like that with WM6.5.

It's easy to use the buttons as pretext, but in reality they probably have very different reasons, they just don't tell us.

That's just what I think. You may think the buttons are the reason, but I don't believe that. I think you are wrong. What frey says makes sense. Buttons aren't a reason IMO.

But that's purely my opinion. Feel free to disagree.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
But I'm NOT wrong am I? my POINT both here and on that forum was that microsoft would use their hardware policy AND the fact that they will be continuing support for WM6.5 as a reason not to sanction an update. I also mentioned the fact that the HD2 is a HTC Sense device and that having Windows Phone 7 on board would wipe away this heavily advertised and expensive embellishment to the HD2 as WP7 does not support such add ons.

I never said I agreed with microsoft here I just said that they would use the hardware buttons as an excuse. For that I was flamed, thu

s i feel somewhat vindicated. Of course we KNOW there are monetary factors at play here and from a technical perspective there is no reason to discount the HD2 as a WP7 ready device, but the fact is that our HD2's will be a year old before WP7 arrives so from a marketing standpoint neither HTC nor Microsoft have any reason to be ashamed of themselves. They're not in this game for charitable purposes; and remember this is a NEWOPERATING SYSTEM. It's not just an update. When did you last get a new version of Windows for free?

Do you understand my point now?
[HD2 General] seed_al:
So your point is they use it as a pretext? Then I agree.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
may be they could but htc sense as hub in wp7 series
[HD2 General] seed_al:
I'm sure HTC will integrate their Sense stuff as Hubs/Tiles... but I don't like WP7S that much anyway... UI looks awesome, but the whole OS is likely just as limited as iPhone OS and I hate restrictions.
[HD2 General] HiddenLight:
Question from tracyandmatt

Will customers that have recently bought 6.5 handsets be able to upgrade to WP7 if their device meets minimum spec?

Answer

It's early days yet, and that's really for our hardware partners to think about.

From: http://www.tracyandmatt.co.uk/blogs/index.php/microsoft-wp7-interview

In other words, it's all up to HTC. In that case then, we should deluge HTC Customer Support with a request for an upgrade when WP7 arrives or even before it. I believe that if they are overwhelmed with thousands of request, they might consider it.

Go to http://www.htc.com/ and from there look for your country's Customer Service. (Support->Customer Service). Let's give them the request both via Hotline and E-mail.
[HD2 General] cpimpjuice2060:
oh well time to sell the htc hd2..........
[HD2 General] byronlee:
Would someone call Bill Gates and ask him to visit his old office more frequently and spread on some charity there?
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
This is almost as good as the HTC IS SHAFTING US!!!! thread when we found it they had more ram :)
[HD2 General] kel16harris:
loooooooooool:p
[HD2 General] HkDng:
Hardwares of HD2 can not run WM7? Crazy :(

So M$ making WM7 for what?????
[HD2 General] 20mihalko:
loooool nice :D:D
[HD2 General] XionaxPDA:
Its time for HTC to come with there own operating system. Would solve alot of problems.
[HD2 General] wazaaappp:
if we won't get WP7 so what's the 576mb ram for? and why is hidden? or is there any 576 mb ram, or just bullsh**? Everything is quite strange now :confused:
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Hmm, thank you for this. I have been thinking to find somebody that could really tell me how the N1 works, but had no success in finding somebody.

Anyway, I though that it would not be a good option. The Nexus One is indeed in many ways not so great. Maybe there is just no good smartphone out there :eek: Haha, I will stick with my HD2 anyway. End of this year we will see if there is any official/(good) unofficial Windows Phone 7 support (and if the new OS is good off course!), if not, I will start looking again. By then, there will probably be many new great smartphone out. But yeah, this does make the chance for Android reaching me bigger.

Or maybe, as much as I hate it, the iPhone 4G will be great...

The best thing would be the HD2 to just get 7 Series (which would as expected be a wonderfull OS), and then I would not have to think about any new smartphone for a long time.
[HD2 General] pack21:
And don't forget WebOS from Palm, just waiting a better Hardware.....This year will be a huge War in smartphones Arena.

Go fight Palm, go....