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[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] crypysmoker:
you can wait all you want. there is a whole new touch screen with new drivers tied to the kernel. we have yet to figure out how to get them into any other rom.

We are trying. Belive me, once we get somethign working, Wes, Criffmon and myself will let all of you know.

For now, find criffmons posts in the android themes section and use one of our themed fender roms. that is all you will gett o work. I have tested everything for a month now, even flashing the fender kernel over roms does nothing because files have been changed.

Please be patient ;)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] wpbcubsfan:
I think we're stuck with themes and whatnot as opposed to custom ROMs until HTC releases the kernel source. Bug @htc on Twitter for the source!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kbeezie:
I'm not complaining... I'm just waiting :D

I personally wouldn't mind eclair ala fender as nothing more than the stock rom they come out with + superuser/busybox. :P Kinda what I'm doing now but with 1.6
[Off-topic] metallhummer:
Korean PMP Icalla (Magic Talkers) mt-d300 goes up to a half of a boot process and hangs up. Hdd (30Gb 1,8'') has been changed.

Do somebody have an image of a system partition of this player, or a link, where i can get it. Google doesn't give anything, and there is no firmware for mt-d300 or mt-d600 at magictalkers.com.

If Somebody have that player (I really hope, that Korean users will see this post), Upload the boot partition's image somewhere, PLEASE!!!

Or: Can somebody give a contact of a service center in korea?

Thank You!
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] shantanil:
I am new to this forum of wonderful people, wizards and cooks. I have a problem.

I just flashed my X1 with the Phoenix ROM. Everything seems to run just fine. However the only problem is that the moment the device goes into standby or the screen completely turns off, the media player simply switches off the audio by itself. This is happening with Windows Media Player, Nitrogen and Pocket Music. Is this normal?

Previously, the music used to be on even when the device screen was switched off using the Power button.

Please help/advise on what to do. I listen to lot of Music. Desperate to get this solved.

Thanks in anticipation.

Regards
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] shak7i:
sometimes i get this problem with coreplayer and sometime i don't. using valkyrie rom. weird :confused:
[HD2 General] DonDolowy:
Hi guys.

Im going to the US next week and dont want to get overcharged accidentally for data. Is there any program that can block all data connections except the GSM network?

Thanks.
[HD2 General] Bib_x:
Look for modaco nodata.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] o2neouzr:
face it, low level apis and languages are for hobbyists now adays. programming languages like C# are huge. .Net makes it so easy and quick to write applications. that's what professionals use. the amount of applications released will be explosive. go ahead, go to android, it's crappy java, and if you use the native development kit,it compiles against the old instruction set. android has hardly even made a dent in the market. it will never be mainstream,just like linux. whine all you want, but microsoft got a bad rap because of crappy coders who crashed the os all the time. it is no longer a hobbyist OS but a consumer OS.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
no matter how easy C# is and everything but sometimes you still need access to low level functionality. I agree it's a good idea to recommend modern languages for development on WP7 or any future OS but I don't think it's alright to completely deny the privileged mode APIs, like they were previously called on WM. It's alright if you need to get special certificates if you want to do such risky things (you need that already on WM6) but it still should be possible after all.

I agree about the Android part of your post. On this board it seems to get hyped quited a lot but in real life sales are not really that groundbreaking like everyone thinks. WM is still a lot stronger. Still, I don't even see any advantages you'd get with a switch to Android!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
I'm a .net dev but there's instances where you need the unmanaged APIs to do things. There's lots of gaps in the .net compact framework.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] shep211:
I got a nexus one for me and my wife. I was a WM fanboy but I have to say I will never use a WM device again. I have a zune hd and it sucks at everything. The new browser is worse then WM 6.5. I think WM7 is gonna fail big time. What are you talking about that android is not getting market share? Android will gain 20% more market share in two years.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20100209-717900.html

http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/android_market_share_doubles_will_overtake_palm_soon.php

http://phandroid.com/2009/11/15/android-stealing-symbian-winmo-market-share/
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
Noone knows what's going to happen in two years. That prediction was also made before WP7 was announced so it's somewhat meaningless now. Who said the browser is the same one that's in the ZuneHD? The web browser was an afterthought for the ZuneHD and it's a prime feature of WP7. I expect it to be much improved.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] shep211:
I have seen all the wm7 videos and its the same os. They said WM7 would not be based off of the zune hd os but it is. Watch the zune hd videos then WM7 videos. Same os and same browser. They are just adding phone support. I preordered my zune hd and was every unhappy with it. Nothing new or better then ipod. The browser has to be the worst browsing experience ever. Cant download podcast from the phone. You have to dock it and load the podcast on the phone. Cant listen to music without headphones. Tons and tons of stuff that makes you think WTF.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] loomx:
Interesting considering the browser IS different, and you other complaints wont be there on a phone.

Its not the same OS, its just they standardizing there UIs.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] o2neouzr:
yes i know we need certain APIs to do certain things,but nobody knows yet what the new framework will be like. who's to say what is limited and what isn't when we don't have any of this info yet.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Fred23:
I completely agree with o2neouzr. Whay are people whining about it when they have no idea what will and won't be included in .NET CF 4?

I've only done a small amount of phone development on WM6 and C# has been fine. My app responds to missed calls and texts when I'm on the motorbike. I recently discussed porting it to the iPhone with a friend. It turns out even really basic stuff like sending a text, knowing if you've missed a call, running with the screen off are all impossible on the iPhone - even with approval from Apple. I reckon we'll be allowed to do a reasonable amount. It'll still be better than the crappy iPhone.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] YongkiCA:
Think of an Operating System like the rule of law in a country; now there is a rumor that the supreme leaders decide to enforce that the only dress code allowed is T-Shirt, of course, the rationals in breadth and depth as in any totalitarian country is only known to the supreme leaders.

"Death to fashion designers!" yelled the fanatics.

"They can't see the simplicity of T-Shirt!" chimed the supporters.

" It is easy to make!!" cried the guards.

" It takes only a minute to paint!!!" said the propagandist.

" It is ready for mass market!!!!" snapped the enforcers to anyone who dare to challenge the new establishment.

"Burn in hell for daring to wear any other dress! T-Shirt is the future! Any one wearing dress is living in the stone age !"

Of course it is hard for concern citizens like we, fashion designers - native developers, to have a decent conversation with this group of people. How can words explain the beauty of our love ones (customers), walking through the crowds of T-Shirts --- in designers' dress. How can we explain the search of excellence, as the way of life, to so many of us, perfecting the art, year after year, to bring out the best of us for the world to see the beauty of free expression.

It is not like that we can't make T-Shirt, it is no-brainer for most of us. The beauty of simplicity is simple but not simpler. A native developers try to achieve simplicity without making things simpler.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
It's not really about having the limited stuff of .NET CF in mind and doing PInvoke for really standard issues. It's about the whole architecture of the runtime. can you do DLL injection or hook into another process with .NET? Not at all. DLLs don't even exist there. You understand... we need the native API if we want to do all the funny things. Recent example: On the Omnia2 there's the taskmon service running which is closing applications if you open more than 3 or 4 (!!!!). chainfire guy wrote a tool that injects into the service to stop this nonsense. More examples are the File explorer extensions, Quick menu, XTask etc. You don't need this stuff? Fine! Go get an iphone!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
Ummmmmmmmmm DLLs do exist in .net. In fact, pretty much the entire .net framework is just a collection of DLLs. Have you ever even written a .net app or any software at all for that matter? It seems your hatred is extremely unfounded.

There likely won't be a file explorer to extend and all of the other things you list get into modifying the UI so those won't be allowed either. They're ugly hacks that shouldn't be needed on any platform. Yea, WinMo needed them to cover up it's many flaws.

You don't need native APIs to do those things necessarily. There just needs to be managed APIs to do them. They won't be allowing it though so it's a moot point.

If you want to completely replace the UI, go get an Anroid phone!

There's a middle ground that they need to find. I feel that's what they're shooting for but it doesn't sound like they're gonna hit it. I'm expecting only a subset of .net CF as even that would allow you to do 'too much' in their mind.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
alright I admit I have written bull****. of course there are DLLs in .NET but I rather mean they are handled little different than usual DLLs. So I thought common sense is you call them assemblies instead of DLLs. oh! And yes I have written Windows applications in .NET but always refrained from using it on WM due to performance issues and because it's so incomplete and for all the interesting stuff you have to use PInvoke anyway. Also if you at least had checked the link in my signature before judging then you would have seen that I'm actually writing software for WM. besides that, it's even my daily job to write software for Windows/WM for like... ahm... 12 years now.

That's the point actually. What I love about WM is that you can easily (or not so easy) hack your way through it and if that's not allowed anymore in a new revision then a lot of fun is taken for me and I guess for "a few more folks" here on XDA. WM like it is with 6.5.x is REALLY comfortable with me and that's no joke! I'm trying to customize and modify it because it's a lot of fun to do so, not because the OS is so bad. Currently I'm running 6.5.x with Sense 2.5 on my Topaz and everything is running really smooth and responsive and I can't complain at all!!

I hate Android! I don't really want to code in Java. And their native API is a joke isn't it? If WP7 isn't suitable anymore (and right now we don't really know for sure) then I have to keep going with the old **** aka WM 6.5.x until I'm old and grey. why should I change OS if there's nothing that matches the customization possibilites of our present OS?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] gogol:
I could understand the frustration for not having full access to native API, full multitasking, etc.

It will be no joy ... no fun ... especially when you simply cannot customize the UI "the way you want" (You can still customize the WP7 start screen).

You cannot express your full creativity.

That is really valid concern.

But ....................................

Could this "new situation of WP7" trigger another kind of creativity?

To the extreme, who would think creating fart application? I know, probably this is a bad example of creativity, but still ... it is kind of creativity.

My point, in whatever situation, people will simply adapt and certain people will excel with their creativity!

Could that be YOU?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] vangrieg:
If I understand this Charlie Kindel (who supposedly is the guy in charge of all this API/SDK stuff), it's not their intention to lock the "fun stuff" out indefinitely. What he's saying is more in the lines of "we want a consistent and logical environment/ecosystem for developers and users, and in order to achieve that, we need to change from the "let's push everything we have out the door" mentality towards "let's make it really good", and this requires serious focused step-by-step approach". They want to start with "consumer application" and hobbyist developers (the latter probably means fart app makers and such), which is understandable because they want to build consumer appeal first. Other categories of developers will be addressed after that.

So, while I don't expect much "fun" you're talking about in WP7, I think this will evolve over time. It's unfortunate that we're not getting things to play with right now, but maybe you won't need to wait until you are old and grey haired. And also maybe we'll really get great APIs/SDK, which will be more useful, consistent and complete than the current incompletely and sometimes incredibly poorly documented mess. Just trying to be positive here.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
I agree with you. Many people hate WM6.5, I like it. I enjoy the customizability as many others on here do. However, I would also enjoy 'retiring' from the need to do that. It's kind of annoying knowing that the first thing I have to do when I get a new phone is go home and HardSPL it and flash a new ROM. I've heard some of the newer devices are much better out the door (HD2 for example) but haven't seen this for myself.

I don't think the members of this forum are part of Microsoft's target audience for end users. Devs, yea, but not end users. They are shooting for people disenchanted with their iPhone, Android, and more importantly the other 75% of the cell phone market that's still using "feature phones" (aka dumb phones).

It definitely looks like MS is going to lock down much more than WM6.5. Will we still be cooking custom roms? My guess is yes. But your common user will have more restrictions on what apps can and can't do.

I look at this as a new challenge more than anything else.

That's a good way to look at it. I just hope that they don't get too restrictive from the start. I think the .net CF would be a good starting point that they should add onto but it almost sounds like they're only picking and choosing pieces from it. If we've got the whole .net CF (maybe minus a few things they don't want us doing) I would be fine with that.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
I have used my Topaz with the 6.1 factory ROM for at least 2-3 months. At this time I couldn't complain. I didn't face any issues. I only started to flash new ROMs when 6.5 and later issues were available...

About retiring... I don't think you will. The need to immediately flash a new WP7 device is always given. Just imagine you got a new phone from a Telecom contract and you got all your hubs in pink...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] vangrieg:
I'm not much a developer (it's not my profession, I just did a couple of things for fun), but, apart from performance issues which can more or less be improved in the new OS, I've seen two types of limitations with .Net CF on WM 6.x: it's been nearly impossible to make nice UI without awful performance, and there are big gaps in terms of accessing "low-level" and sometimes not so low-level stuff and hence need for PInvoke.

The first issue will probably be addressed by Silverlight and, possibly, better built-in UI controls and such. The second will probably be partly addressed by OS-level push, "live feed" APIs, which sometimes might help overcome the limitations of SNAPI. The obvious question marks are things like non-SNAPI event handling such as hardware key processing, power management, device IO etc. Theoretically, this could be done in an environment such as .Net, why not, but not in its current incarnation of CF 3.5. If they added functionality to .Net, it could make life easier for devs.

Obviously though, some things just aren't realistic in managed code, so no alternative browsers/video players for us apart from shells over MS engines (which means no .mkv support if it's not built into the OS already). It could be possible, though, if they're serious in trying to do things right this time, that they want to create those APIs/SDK together with devs. Say, it would be an awesome, albeit slow, path to sit down with CoreCodec and build a piece of the SDK on a specific case, understanding and overcoming the challenges step by step. Don't know if we can hope to get that kind of attitude though...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] kholk:
It's good to use .NET languages, but it is limited, at least on CompactFramework, so it's impossible to use ONLY .NET: you have to use unmanaged code for creating some things that .NET doesn't allow to.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
Yup. I'm expecting a 'revolution' of sorts in the UI standpoint. Like I've stated previously, it sucks trying to make a good, finger-friendly UI. XNA will make game/3d creation a breeze. Silverlight will be awesome for more traditional style UIs. I'm just wondering how high level and low level they'll get. For example, if I wanted to make an app that looked exactly like the main UI of the phone would I be able to just create a panel object, give it the text for the title, text and controls on that panel, and it will take care of the placement, input control, etc? Or what if I want to go the opposite route and create a UI of my own, will I be able to do that? I'm expecting things like button inputs to be provided. It would be crazy for them not to. That's part of the benefit of standardizing the buttons, they can easily bubble those up to devs.

The leaked docs show that native APIs and unmanaged code will be available to an extent but only to OEMs and carriers. I'm sure if people make enough noise they'll back down and approve apps that make use of that for others as well if they show the need. Microsoft's corporate culture traditionally hasn't been as 'religious' as Apple's and is more willing to back down on things if pushed.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] chiks19018:
+10 nicely put.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] joozzt:
Amazing. pow(10.0f,inf);
[Windows Mobile Software Development] gogol:
"Damn you ruler!" yelled one of an old fashion designer.

"Yea Yea! T-Shirts sucks, it is so limited!" yelled another older fashion designer.

"Oh ok, I think I can sell NEW TYPE of accessories for T-Shirts!" one young designer still positively excited.

"That's right, I will LEARN to make that as well! New market, I want to make money" said another designer.

"Oh right, let's move to another country ... I want to be naked" said ...

:D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] chiks19018:
Most people excel in their creativity when under constraints, and not when there is 100% freedom. The creativity has to be chaneled and challenged. Free for all does not work.

eg. Ever see the traffic in China or India? People drive with no respect to rules. 100% freedom. End result? Slow speeds and traffic jams, engines overheating. In the countries like US, people follow rules and get better average speed, and better mileage and longer car life.

Another example: Do you really think fuel efficient engines would be produced if there was no mandate from the Govt? Japan is leading the way because the govt restricts the engine size that you can put in a car. That makes the engineers come up with creative ways of making more horsepower with smaller engines, and better fuel economy.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Shasarak:
It is certainly the case that slaves work harder and faster than paid employees; but that's not a good reason for embracing slavery.

In fact the exact opposite is true! :) Rip out every single road sign and traffic light, and tear up the pavements/sidewalks, and the end result is that the accident rate falls, and the average rate of traffic flow increases. See, for example, here or Google for "shared space".

That's not really anything to do with freedom, though, it's more to do with laziness and (particularly) greed.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] gogol:
So you think the Japanese gov is lazy and greedy that s why they restrict the car engine size? Why is that lazy & greedy?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Shasarak:
No, the legislation prevents laziness and greed on the part of the car manufacturers.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
What does Japan's policy on car engines have to do with developers reluctant to change?

< Goes back to waxing his car that has a 6.2L engine. Suck it Japan.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
Super! Now I finally understand it why they kept their old memory model and max. number of processes to 32 in WM 6.5 --> it lead to lots of great user experiences. Samsung were the ones to make the best cut really.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
That was a technical limitation of CE5, not really a design choice by the WM team.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] YongkiCA:
If it is true that WP7S is based on CE6, technically the limit has been somewhat lifted, but the design choice of WP7S team now limit the choices for developers ... so we are back to square one ... :confused:
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
they could have upgraded to CE6 for WM 6.5, which they had originally planed for WM6. But we were talking about the "advantage" of limitations to developers.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] YongkiCA:
"You say you want a revolution

Well, you know

We all want to change the world

...." - Beatles

As there is no resolution --- we need to start a revolution :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] DarkDvr:
Don't exactly love how the OP worded it... but I do agree with what he said.

My work is all java, I program my stuff in C# in VS 2008. There NO COMPARISON. Java and its dev environment options are a prehistoric pile of mammoth dung in comparison to an integrated and dynamic env. like microsoft's VS.

Just my opinion as a person who programs for a living.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] chiks19018:
Shared space? intersting "groundbreaking""" concept or what?

That is how it is in India and China. Trucks, Cars, 3-wheelers, Scooters, Motorbikes, Bicycles, Pedestians, Cows, dogs, all share the same road. Definitely not faster nor good for the speed of the commute.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] irdawood:
HAHA Awesome! However in India it is not by design! :D:p
[Windows Mobile Software Development] chiks19018:
meh..just because somebody puts it in writing does not make it "design". The final outcome is the same.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] RustyGrom:
We don't know what their design choice is yet. They certainly won't limit the size of applications in memory.

They could also make it run on x86 CPUs. What's your point? It's not like they could've just swapped in CE6 without considerable work. It's obvious that working on WM wasn't exactly what Microsoft felt like doing.

You were making obtuse comparisons to dictatorships. This thread became pointless (as many others on this forum are).