yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] chrisnz1947:
I will wait until I hear it officially from both parties.

Whatever the outcome, given the HD2 meets the requirements (so we have 2 extra buttons) I am confident that with the expertise in this forum we will see some great WM7 dishes coming out of the various kitchens.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are right 576 mb ram is not usable on wm6.5 never succeded to fill its half , only additional cost for the device if not used for a good os
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
My take on it is that there a quite a number of design decisions that went into the HD2 which only make sense if HTC expected it to launch with WM7 - and I really do mean WM7, not WP7S. My guess is that the HD2 hardware design was put in place at a time before the "Photon" project was cancelled. When that happened, HTC decided to go ahead and launch the phone anyway, but running WM6.5 and with pinch-to-zoom hacks, leaving open the possibility that there might be something to upgrade to further down the line, as WP7 was still an essentially unknown quantity at that point.
[HD2 General] wigwam12:
I agree. It would be nice then as a minumum to see this "hidden" memory officially unlocked by HTC - although they might not bother as they roll out 1gb phones over the pond
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
I am wondering all the time on what devices MS are doing alpha and beta testing.

I mean, running beta software on alpha or beta devices will not give results which would be as accurate as if you would use a mass produced device, would it?

Taking such thoughts into consideration, I believe MS are testing their new OS with all existing Snapdragon 1 GHz devices, Toshiba, Acer, and HTC. Therefore, I think there is at least a slight chance that some device specific drivers might leak, making custom ROMs possible...
[HD2 General] derScheich:
I asked the HTC support if there will be an update, here's what they answered (translated by me, the answer was in german.. don't blame me for my english :rolleyes:):

So regardless of what they know truly, we don't have a confirmation nor a rejection.
[HD2 General] Som30ne:
I really do understand Microsoft.

They cannot risk putting a new OS in the market without the specific 3 buttons they require.

At least until this OS was tested to work properly,

the 3 keys must be there.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
WM7 hardly looked like it required the firepower than the HD2 packs... but your point is taken.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Copying from the other thread that was made on this very topic... new news, looks even bleeker :( Before we could blow off the initial one saying 'APAC? What does someone in APAC know?!' But this guy is in the UK. Still not Redmond though. COME ON MIX! SAVE US!
[HD2 General] ephestione:
that's an old, old, old one, but at least you had the good idea to use it for a new purpose ;)

Admitting it's your own idea :p
[HD2 General] Euroman28:
This website here in Dutch

http://www.winmo.nl/

has an article that its do to the hardware buttons on HD2. That the HD2 can't get WM7. Whats up with that?

I know this do to a danish newspaper translated an article on that site to danish regarding the HD2.
[HD2 General] Som30ne:
I never took credit for the image.

I just said that I can understand why they would need 3 specific hardware keys for all devices running OS with a totally new kernel.

The image was brought just to demonstrate my association for this requirement.
[HD2 General] lordcanti86:
Bummer, but not a surprise

If MS is serious about reseting its mobile efforts (and that's what WP7 is, a reset) then they really don't have much of a choice. People here have to remember that while flashing a ROM is trivial for people that post on XDA, it isn't for the average consumer. Do you really think that MS, the OEMs, or the carriers want to support that kind of process with people that for the most part have no idea what OS their phone runs? Because they really don't.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
so you mean that there won't be an upgrade because flashing is "too difficult" for the average customer? then what about the official rom upgrades that already exist?
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
I am dutch myself first of all.

I have read the website, where the first article is indeed about the 'no upgrade because of ...'.

That article about the HD2 running 7 Series: They say it is done by a Dutch MS employer, flashing a early build of the new OS to his HD2. Even in the comments, they defend themselves saying they are close to the person who made that picture and are 100% sure the HD2 can RUN it.

Now further than that, they are not saying if it will officialy come to our devices or not. In the comments I read that if it comes, HTC has confirmed it will be free.

And yes, flashing ROMs is to hard for the avarege consumer. I myself have only upgraded to 1.66, nothing else. And I do not see any reason why, in my head something made by HTC can not be beaten by people on the internet. But then again, I have to informed myself a lot about these custom ROMs on XDA.
[HD2 General] seed_al:
Good point, but afaik Photon was canceled already 18 monts ago.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Are you forgetting the original "chassis 1" specs? Those applied to Photon, and are an almost perfect match for the HD2.

Microsoft didn't necessarily tell HTC about it right away. Even if they did, it is entirely possible that the HD2's hardware design was already locked down 18 months ago.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
C1 was for Proton? Really?
[HD2 General] ViperAMD:
If there really is a requirement of a graphic chip it sounds like it will be unlikely the HD2 will get this (both officially and via xda devs). The Zune works so well and is so smooth thanks to its nVidia tegra chip. I would like w7 on my device as much as the next person but it's looking unlikely...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Phat chance

There have been some interesting points raised on this and other threads on XDA Developers but I think we ought to face facts: Windows Phone 7 Series will not be coming to our devices through official channels.

This is not to write off the idea of us EVER getting it but means that UNLESS a beta ROM has existed and is leaked we are royally bumf**ked.

There are simply too many factors at play here. Let me first clarify that I am NOT a cook, nor do I have any technical knowledge; what I DO have is common sense and common sense tells me these things -

1) Windows Phone 7 Series REQUIRES a specific three button layout; the HD2 does NOT have this layout, nor three buttons.

2)Windows Phone 7 as described by Steve Bulmer and reports thus far does NOT support third-party 'themes' (at least not in its release phase); The HD2 is MARKETED with Sense - essentially a theme - and has it emblazoned on the backplate and in the advertisements (which on top of development costs have set HTC back millions). To sanction an update which wipes off this Sense UI and replaces it with a generic WP7 layout would not only be HIGHLY confusing to the non-savvy consumer but ALSO somewhat detrimental to the reputation of Sense, which HTC are continuing to develop across all platforms.

Imagine if HTC released an update to the Hero that wiped off Sense and replaced it with stock Android 2.1.

Wouldn't happen would it?!

3) By the time WP7 arrives our HD2s will be AT LEAST 12 months old; why would HTC spend valuable development time and pay licensing for an update which would have negative financial repercussions for them? They want to sell their NEW devices. A 12 month old device does NOT 'deserve' a whole new OS just because it is a technical possibility, and the average consumer who bought the device will have no idea that their HD2 is technically capable of running WP7 - they will just see a new phone twelve months down the line that looks kinda nice.

These are manufacturers and they want to make money.

If I bought a laptop with Vista on it I wouldn't be complaining 12 months later if I didn't get Windows 7 for free, even if it was technically capable of running it: I paid my money and made my choice at that point in time (and yes I know this isn't quite the same as I could at least BUY Windows 7 if I wanted, but people are talking as if it is their God given RIGHT to be handed out this update!)

4) The final nail in the coffin for me: Windows Mobile 6.5.x will CONTINUE to be supported. For anyone who doesn't understand what that means? Well what it MEANS is that our Windows Mobile 6 device, along with other recently released WM6 devices, will continue to receive sporadic updates to the OS until the day they finally conk out - to keep us happy.

In offering this support it is obviously highly unlikely that Microsoft will 'pick out' a few golden handsets to receive a free no-quibble update to WP7; unless Microsoft gets taken over by some kind of benevolent Willy Wonka character in the interim.
[HD2 General] deeky1:
You've convinced me buddy, very logical argument
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
The Snapdragon chipset includes a perfectly respectable graphics chip - how do you think it runs the Electopia demo?
[HD2 General] zohaer21:
no wm7 for HD2 .. im glad APPLE is suing HTC ! go apple go ! htc .. bastards
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
good conclusion but i want to clarify some things .

first . the hero and magic are more than year old and still got big updates (one got htc sense ,and other got android 2.1 )

second : the three buttons , microsoft said that in wm6.5 that start button is necessary but the omnia 2 & pro got updates without having start button

third : most companies stopped developing for wm6.5 some of them are (adope , skype & more )

at last we cannot make conclusions until march 15
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Indeed. The biggest problem is the developers leaving.

You all make good points, and it sounds good. But really, somewhere we all know we have been fooled a little bit. The HTC HD2 really was a beast, to give most people the (false) impression that it will get the upgrade.

Still, when I try to understand that 7 Series is months away (one year since HD2 came out), I do understand that it is pretty sure there will be no update. They all want money off course, and will bring out a separate HD2.5 + 7 Series, so everybody has to spend 500 euro again. This world is really just ruined.. stupid money. Off course our HD2 could run 7 Series, but why would we be nice if we can make a lot of money out of it?!

^If this happens, I am done with HTC. To be honest Apple does a much greater job in being nice :rolleyes:

And if we find out that even XDA will not be able to make 7 Series happen on the HD2 (make it happen good, no half-buggy port), then selling my HD2 will REALLY happen.
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
Really?

So making you spend an extra $200 on top of the base unit price to be able to make the iPad actually function as intended, is nice?

Making the iPhone with an in-built obsoletion (read: no way to replace ageing battery) is nice?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
true if no updates for hd2 then i will go for another brand (apple or symbian devices )
[HD2 General] saulo866:
After installing many apps in main phone memory, the Storage memory (left side on settings > memory) shrinks to less than 40MB, while plenty (and unused) Program memory is there (195MB) (right side)

Is there a way to resize these 2 main phone memories to increase efficiency?

Thanks

Saulo
[HD2 General] saulo866:
I remember that in previous version on WM there was a slider to move memory from one side to another.

But this was lost here in WM 6.5.5...
[HD2 General] saulo866:
are there commercial or free applications capable to do the job? Ramdisk?

It mus be working on wm 6.5.5

Thanks and waiting
[HD2 General] fards:
what you are remembering is a time when the memory used was totally different type to what we have now.

so no is the answer, there's no way of doing it.

Uninstall some of your apps, and reinstall them to storage card, that will free up some memory, as will clearing the caches in PIE and Opera (as well as moving the cache to the storage card for opera).
[HD2 General] saulo866:
Thanks Fards

Sorry to hear that...but are you aware what ihibit, prevents the memory from being resizable?

Thanks

Saulo
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
program and system memory used to be the same memory, and you could decide how much of it was for program and how much for system. When the phone ran out of battery, it would cause a hard reset, and all your data would be lost.

Now we have a phone with two different types of memory. If your battery dies you do NOT lose your data, because the system memory is flash memory, whilst the program memory is true RAM that is cleared when you restart.

Think of your PC, you have a hard disk, and RAM, and you cannot resize the hard disk to use RAM as more hard disk space.
[HD2 General] g3k:
Yes. That's true but the main reason was that the whole thing was like RAM at these times... and we were losing everything when the battery was running out of power.

Some PDA's like HP for instance was delivered with backup batteries to prevent such complete loss and give extra time.

As from WM5.0 if my memory is good, the resident memory came up at last, to make things better.

Today, we have storage RAM which acts exactly like the hard disk of a PC and the program memory which acts exactly like the RAM of our PCs. The physical difference is the main reason that you can not slide anything between storage and RAM.

The suggestion for installing apps on SDcard can save you a big amount of storage RAM indeed. But do not forget the impact on speed: apps will load (and exit) slower on SD card. Try and see.
[HD2 General] saulo866:
Yes G3K

I am loading on SD card ONLY those programs which I use rarely and in which speed is not an issue. But the more speed-demanding applications I prefer to locate on RAM, since much faster...

Thanks for your insights

Saulo
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] feicher:
I think the following G2/HERO ROM could be interesting for use on 32A with new Radio.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622468

what is needed to port it?

- Recommended kernel :confused:

- Changes necessary to ROM-Files :confused:

Your help would be most appreciated!

-f

PS: Although this is a specific question, AFAIK this would be true for all 2.1 G2 ROMs and therefore could become a useful learning thread...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] youssef123452002:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=601033
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] feicher:
@youssef123452002

Thank you. As far as I understand it's only for G1 and not G2 specific ROMs or am I missing something?
[Touch GSM General] talhagsm:
i have htc P3452 when i input sim show simlock and data crashes.please contact your service center. haw to slow this problem need help
[Touch GSM General] Mobilewala.com:
Your Phone is Lock with 1st Provider u have to Unlock This Phone .!!
[Touch GSM General] talhagsm:
bro m new in pda mobile i don know. provider means???????????:(

nd bro my imei also cheng back sid imei start 35 nd in ph 00444
[Touch GSM General] talhagsm:
help plz

haw to flash p3452 and haw to cheng imei ???????????????
[Touch GSM General] captainstu72:
Hey,

The below may help - I have only tried it on my P3450, so can't vouch for yours. If you get issues with the first set of downloads, I think there is another post with another link which worked for me

Apparently I can't post links, so try

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=328221&highlight=Touch_Unlock

Stu
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ronnen:
Hey guys, new here and I just got my brand new HTC Hero :)

Yay me!

Apparently the store I got it from bought it off Asia since when I first booted it I was asked to choose from Malaysia, Vietnam and some other country and further more I have checked and saw that my ROM version is:

2.73.728.5

which I read somewhere comes on Asia phones, I understand that there is another version: 2.73.405.38.

It also appears as the official version on the HTC site and I some guides all referring to 2.73.405.38 and not my version, also some apps like the market seem to have trouble with it.

My question is:

Is it ok to install the 2.73.405.38 version instead of my current one?

I could not find a changelog, are there any differences between those version except for Asia .vs. Europe?

If I choose to install is it the same process as any other rom upgrade (since this is actually a downgrade)?

Does it have any effect on my location? If I'm in Europe and use an Asian ROM instead of the European one?

I guess what I'm asking is, is there a point in changing the ROMs?

Thanks :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mike-bravo:
after changing the better part of my icons

i tried to make some nice icons for my contacts in my quiklist

i took a photo of my friend deleted the background an made a nice frame saved it as an png

and opent it in outllook as her picture

but outlook does not keep the background transparent !!!!

is there a way around this ?????
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Archer:
Not in Outlook I'm afraid.

.Net CF controls do not support transparency, so anyone developing software that does support it has to code their own image rendering methods. It's a pain in the arse, but that's the way it is.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] erbegu:
Please Help me, i installed a cdma rom on my gsm touch pro phone, its now bricked or what? i tried to flash it with micro sd but it doesn't work, after the tricolor screen, shows up another screen and asks me if i want to restore my phone, it doen't recognise the RAPHIMG.nbh on the micro SD, can u please tell me smth to do? PLEASE HELP ME!!!:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mooglepimp:
Can you load it into the bootloader? h=Hold the power button and the volume button down and softreset. I've made the same mistake and loaded a GSM rom onto my CDMA phone. I had to load it into bootloader, then plug it into my computer and flash it that way.

(I was never able to get the microSD flash to work either)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] erbegu:
thank you man, i did it, i flashed it throw micro SD
[XPERIA X1 General] vdelf:
Hi folks,

because of the cracking-problem i ordered a spare-housing on ebay. My X1 is silver, the spare-housing is black. So i now have a silver and a black battery cover.

Following the threads around the cracks, most people think, that the cover is causing this somehow. It also seems to me, that the silver one cracks more often than black. So i tried the black cover on my silver X1. Looks quite nice, by the way :D But i noticed, that it fits much easier than my original silver cover.

A quick measure showed: The black one is a little bit wider. It is easier to put on and to take off. The silver one is 50.3mm and the black is 51.0mm. Look at the pics to see what i measured.

Now i am interested, if this is only with my cover. So please do check your cover-width and post the result. At the moment i am using my X1 without the battery-cover (it's in a case) to see wheter it is cracking again or not.

Thanks!
[XPERIA X1 General] koffeemachine:
I think one of the reasons the cracks appear is due to temperature change of the metal surrounding the phone. Have had 2 black one's and both have had cracks in the metal and plastic.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jasong13:
i am trying to set up an emulator for my HD2, but once i have loaded a game I cant use the default controlls as there is no start button :s

how can i get these emulators working with better controlls if possible.

help would be much appreciated as I am new to this phone!

thanks
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Nokser:
Hi All

My Friend Rudegar, send for me Himalaya,have not tested it yet because I do not have with me, but in the evening, I get it and I take relationships.

:D

For lovers, my job, it's probably good news ....

If the Himalaya, is efficient, then again, I will begin to create a system of WM

In languages such as:

Polish, WWE

Many thanks to Rudegar;)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] xda2jojo:
Nice one...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Nokser:
True, but finally finish what I started
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] aeroflyluby:
Yay, i'm going to develop my work when my friend muckelmaus will send my xdaii :))
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Nokser:
I know Aeroflyluby....

are still good people in this world

One more Thanks Rudegar :cool:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] muckelmaus:
I posted it today. Cool, Poland is member of the EU. So, I didn't have to make a customs declaration, although I get used to it, in the meantime.

I like the imagination of a customs officer reading it. A handy device with spare parts like crandle, second battery, power supply and a bonus gift worth less than 20€.

So I give him a kopy of the bill to proof it! I like those early sunday noon auctions, to make good cheap deals !!!
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Nokser:
I am glad that there is some unity in our ;)
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XVilka:
We have many callculator applications on android, but they are so simple and without full mathematical functionality. So i tried port yacas to android platform, but it is a console application - so we need graphics ui.

After small searching i found this like ui on iPhone platform!

If anyone want to make this for android - i attached sources of original yacas program and of iphone-ui.

Also add some links:

http://gitorious.org/android/yacas - ported yacas application

http://yacas.sf.net - original yacas site

http://www.mathdrake.com/yacas/index.html - yacas ui for iPhone

And how you can build yacas from original tree:

Download yacas source, unpack this and cd to yacas/src,

copy XVilka-yacas.Makefile to Makefile and run:

($_XXFLAGS - optimisation flags for your device)

make CC=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-gcc\" CROSS_COMPILE=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-\" \\
CFLAGS=\" -static -fPIC $_XXFLAGS\" CXXFLAGS=\" -static -fPIC $_XXFLAGS\" \\
LDFLAGS=\" -static -fPIC -s -L$HOME/build/cross/sys-root/usr/lib -lm -lc -lgcc -lstdc++\" \\
AR=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-ar\" AS=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-as\" \\
LD=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-g++\" RANLIB=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-ranlib\" \\
OBJDUMP=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-objdump\" STRIP=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-strip\" \\
NM=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-nm\" CXX=\"arm-android-linux-uclibcgnueabi-g++\"

Done! we have yacas binary without any dependency.

Copy this and scripts (for example in /system/usr/local/etc/yacas)

cp /sdcard/test-build/yacas /system/usr/bin
chown root /system/bin/yacas
chmod 755 /system/bin/yacas
cp -r /sdcard/test-build/scripts/* /system/usr/local/etc/yacas

and for the first run we need to:

yacas --rootdir /system/usr/local/etc/yacas

then we can simply run yacas by the "yacas".
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pjdpinheiro:
Hi;

This seems really excellent, I've been using calculator emulators on android to do this.

Unfortunatelly after trying the steps above, I only get "Illegal instruction" in my HTC Magic CM
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lancealot:
Sounds cool. I might have to try this. Do you have any screenshots?

Cheers
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XVilka:
Now we only have console version, but in future - get gui
[Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] asrrin29:
I may not be the best programmer in the world, but if this is the best lead we have on getting a CAS on android I'd be willing to give it a go making a GUI for this.