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[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
I definitely don't like snarky comments myself, especially when it comes to my dirty balloon knot. That thing is exit only man, exit only. I can understand why you're a little offended/perturbed.

That being said, maybe this can help clear up power draw questions.

Here's the important specs from the hero:

Processor:

Qualcomm® MSM7600™, 528Mhz

Display:

3.2-inch 320 x 480 HVGA resolution, 262K-color TFT LCD touch-sensitive screen with LED backlight

Power:

Rechargeable battery — 1500 mAh

Talk Time:

Up to 250 minutes

Standby Time:

Up to 360 hours

Important specs from the Sprint Touch Pro 2:

Internal Antenna

Battery	Talk: 4 hours max. (240 minutes)

Standby: 336 hours max. (14 days)

1500 mAh LiIon

Display	Type: LCD (Color TFT/TFD)

Resolution: 480 x 800 pixels <-- and it's a 3.6" screen

Processor	528 MHz MSM7600

Sooooooooooooo.......

Looking at a high level on the specs, the Touch Pro has a similar battery size, exact same chipset, which means same radio/gps/etc

The big point here is the screen. The TP2 has a higher res screen and it's bigger, which means by default the TP2 has a higher draw than the Hero (I'm assuming this from a hardware standpoint, although I can't assume total draw at idle, as I'm not sure if the OS has a huge factor in that.)

That might contribute as to why the TP2 has a sligtly less talk and standby time than the Hero.

All things equal (or close to it) though, the battery is the same size, so getting a 2000mah battery where it was originally 1500mah is going to be a jump, regardless of how it's measured.

I think since the hardware is so similar, the risk of using the TP battery in the Hero is negligible at best. Since the Hero should in theory draw less power, it should actually be a bigger jump for Hero users I suppose.

The only real risk here is using an aftermarket battery that we don't know the QC history on. This thing could be a real timebomb waiting to go off.

However, China has made a huge percentage of everything we've ever used for a LONG time (including the OEM battery,) so I'm not as concerned about that really.

I do think it's fair to point out the risks though, so I'm not dogging on any of you in this thread doing so. After all, this is a place to learn and discuss ;)
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Globespy:
Are you kidding me?

My girlfriend has the Touch Pro 2 (Winmo) and that thing will stay on for nearly 4 days on standby with minimal use.......my Hero is lucky to make it through 12 hours with minimal usage......I'm using Fresh ROM, auto screen brightness etc.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Sirchuk:
Meh, who cares what the +/- power usage is. It's $10. My wife spends more than that at starbucks every day (no lie, she has a problem, she's getting professional help.)

It's the same voltage 3.7 voltage but at 2000mAh, it should increase the stock battery time by 33%. I'm in for one to check it out.

I was at about 4 hours, then with Gumbo and SetCPU I about tripled the time under medium-heavy use.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] SupahDave:
That's not funny at all! I'm Chinese and I take serious offense to that comment, you a-hole!

Edit: Nah, I was joking. That was some funny ****...
[Hero CDMA Accessories] KBizzle:
Now wait a sec, he never said he was chinese. For all you know he spoke to Elmer Fudd.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] aauussttiinn88:
haha second that...he just got caught sleepin
[Hero CDMA Accessories] akijikan:
LOL, I don't think so. If a moderator deems it necessary then so be it, but I see no reason to do so. I made this post for people who were already looking for this battery while it was out of stock. I'm not responsible for any percieved risks. The onus is on the buyer to do their homework and decide whether or not they want to buy.

Also I don't buy this idea that the battery is designed specifically for the device. OEM batteries from sprint for the touch pro 2 and hero are identical, and even have the same part number. I think its a reasonable assumption (yes this is an assumption and not a validated fact) that the batteries for one work in the other as intended.

i now see you were being sarcastic toward another user...lol nevermind!
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Darkshneider:
Cmon... that was funny. And the person doesnt have to be chinese to speak Engrish.

On a side note, Elmer Fudd weplaces Rs with Ws. Funny when a naval pilot says "be vewy quiet, were hunting submawines"
[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
I don't mean to offend at all, please don't take it that way. Even if I would have said the seller was Chinese, I in no way said that ALL Chinese people talk that way, you're assuming that generalization.

My comment was meant to be a little bit of humor in the middle of a heated argument between two people that were offended. Humor helps diffuse situations like that.

Please accept my sincere apologies if I offended you.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] samsoccer7:
Just got one from ebay also, hopefully it works as well as it did for some of the reviewers in the other thread.

Also, you can get 8% ($0.80) back if you use bing cashback :)
[Hero CDMA Accessories] athlet1c:
this thread turned out to have some humor associated with it. thanks fort the Laughs , tears and sweat
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Darkshneider:
Thats pretty much sex for a few people around here...
[Hero CDMA Accessories] athlet1c:
LOl 10 Chars
[Hero CDMA Accessories] thematrixkid17:
Holy crap I haven't seen these before! 10 bucks?!?!?
[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
Nope, I'm not kidding you. The point of my post was to show the power draw from a hardware perspective. I'd imagine you use your phone much more than your girlfriend does. If you had both devices and used them the same, your device uptime might be similar, it might be different. That's why in my post I said that I was commenting from a device standpoint. The OS brings in a completely different context, and people all use their devices differently.

All of this really has to be taken with a grain of salt, but from a hardware perspective the devices are so similar, it shouldn't be too outlandish to think the battery shouldn't be too big of a risk, other than it's less-than-known quality control and potential build issues. So, in other words, it doesn't mean crap that it's made for a TP2. It might as well say Hero on it.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] KBizzle:
Basicry want he is saying.... If you have dorrars.. buy it.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
Basicry, yes.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] scirio:
in for one
[Hero CDMA Accessories] e5oteric:
In!

cgi.ebay.com /ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230441767585&ssPageName= STRK:MEWNX:IT
[Hero CDMA Accessories] phonefixdfw:
is stock battery 1600mah or what?
[Hero CDMA Accessories] sph33r:
Stock is 1500.

I'm a little wary of these Chinese battery claims. I'm running the Mugen Power 1800mah and it works... it just doesn't seem to actually have any more capacity than stock.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] e5oteric:
Yeah, but if you think about, everything is made over there anyway. I'll do a writeup when I receive mine in a few weeks...
[Hero CDMA Accessories] sph33r:
Very true. I just wonder if they inflate their numbers a bit. However, I hope it works and you report favorable results, I'll gladly spend the money on one if it's good.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] illan380:
Just ordered mine. Thanks for the link
[Hero CDMA Accessories] e5oteric:
Point taken...:)

Here's to hoping.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] tduck:
That's impressively terrible. I've been running the stock ROM with relatively normal usage - 3G and/or wifi, texting, surfing, 10-20mins of voice calling, email, and my phone gets at least a full 24 hours on a charge. Either you have a bad battery or you're doing something wrong.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] mendez_v:
I bought one as well..it doesnt hurt to try since its only $10..and besides i have and extra hero battery already from my previous hero after replacement :D
[Hero CDMA Accessories] zippy-man:
Well i ordered one about 2 weeks ago and I got it yesterday. First I put the battery in hooked up the charger booted into recovery and wiped battery stats. I did a 14 hour charge with the phone on and did not use it in that time.

I unplugged the phone today at 8:30 am and have used it pretty heavy today or at least more than normal. I surfed these forums a lot today did some texting downloaded some apps deleted some apps streamed some music emailed and did a few phone calls. It is now 11 pm and I just hit 15 percent. I could jqve never done that on my stock battery it would have died hours ago.

I hope all yoir batteries are as good as mine cuz this thing rocks. It was the best 10 bucks i could have spent.

And this is only the first charge cycle. If it gets better I am gonna buy q couple more just to have them.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] phantomazero:
Maybe I did something wrong, but my battery isn't doing so well. Nearly dead after a full charge and moderate GPS + text messaging from 4PM - 1AM yesterday. Today my phone lasted from 9AM to around 5 or 6 with moderate to heavy text messaging.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] drbgotenks:
I just ordered one. I have heard good things on a bunch of sites. I'm hoping for the best and if it sucks, it was only $10.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] uminchu:
Thank you OP.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] holidayidol:
Thanks for the heads up on this deal. I ordered one for sure.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] thedudejdog:
I just ordered 2. thanks!
[Hero CDMA Accessories] heero884:
Good luck to those that bought this battery. There's a 36 page thread about this battery on PPC Geeks. It seems to be hit or miss. I took the gamble earlier this year and the battery I received did NOT last longer than the OEM battery. I ended up getting the 1800mAh Mugen which works as advertised.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=90763
[Hero CDMA Accessories] KBizzle:
Thanks. Cant wait for my battery to get here.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
Did it last about the same amount as the OEM battery? You say your particular battery didn't last longer, fine. How long did it last though in your particular usage of it? I'm not looking for "8 hours" but maybe "2 hours less than OEM" or something similar to that.

Even if it lasted a little bit less, ten bucks is ten bucks IMHO, and a pretty darn good price for an extra battery. Great for that long trip or in a pinch when your phone dies and you can't recharge for a while.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] heero884:
My original post on SU:

I should get around to updating the test now that I have the Mugen.. but haven't really had the time to do it.

If you check XDA's own Dream forum the Andida is quite popular. Unfortunately not for good reasons. Apparently their 1600 mAh battery is actually a 1100 mAh battery with a "1600 mAh" sticker on top.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=548020&page=27

If worst comes to worst, hey you bought a usable spare battery for $10.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
This is above and beyond what I had expected as a response. Thanks for providing this!! I'll be interested to see how your update looks with the Mugen added to it.

Unfortunately there's no way that I know of to measure the true mah of a battery, so it could indeed be an 1100 mah battery with a 2000 mah sticker. I think your tests help a lot though. I'd also be interested in doing a real-world daily long usage test, although for it to be accurate you'd have to do the exact same things during the day, which isn't something easily done.

Looking forward to it!

Also, like you said, if worse comes to worst I'll have a $10 battery, which is actually not a bad price if it gives me a couple of extra hours of use in a pinch.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] alexthearmo:
Day 4: I'm starting to think this battery isn't all that great. The first day it went super long...after a few days of conditioning, I think it's getting worse. I'll post back tomorrow with more details.

11 hours of uptime...moderate use...3 hours of awake time. Already down to 30 percent.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] alexthearmo:
Crap...I just realized today...sometime during the process of restoring a Nandroid, my SetCPU got all changed around. It was set to Performance....no wonder it was sucking my battery dry. I'll run a few more days worth of tests now with using the OnDemand governor and let you guys know how the battery lasts. This will be day 6.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] akijikan:
was the andia battery broken in before the tests?
[Hero CDMA Accessories] ElAguila:
Since the shipping was free I went ahead and ordered one today. If it works good then I have made a good investment. If it doesn't, then oh well, I have wasted a lot more than $10 on stuff that didn't work before. When I do get it, I will give it a couple of charge and drain cycles and then post my results.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] illan380:
Has anyone got theirs in the mail yet?
[Hero CDMA Accessories] thedudejdog:
no I haven't gotten mine yet
[Hero CDMA Accessories] rfeagan:
Nope, not seen it yet. But it's been less than 14 days. I'm not worried yet. But excited!
[Hero CDMA Accessories] kmartburrito:
Not yet here either. Hoping soon though!
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Cetus Corr:
Haven't got mine, ordered on February 24th...
[Hero CDMA Accessories] dpsleep:
i got mine about a week ago and so far, not too impressed. the stock battery seems to do allot better than this replacement. but for 10 bucks it makes a good backup/spare battery.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] akijikan:
still waiting on mine as well.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] runsoverfrogs:
stopped using this battery, got it for about a month now. I stopped using the mugen also, I'm back to stock. These batteries aren't great.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] e5oteric:
Received the battery yesterday, didn't install until this morning at 9 a.m. after a full charge last night. Been updating Facebook, texting, taking calls and had Pandora streaming for 4.5 hours earlier. Not sure if I got a freak, but after 15 hours of playtime, I'm still showing 30 % !

Still using the web to post this and streaming Pandora in the background...will run a second series of trials tomorrow and post the results.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] e5oteric:
Ohhhhh...little update, logged off here, quit Pandora and the battery dropped to 21 %. Still good for all that I've done, but I think maybe the phone is having trouble accurately reporting battery status...will still post an update tomorrow.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] brian2220:
just got mine today and i love it.

lasted me the whole day and most of the night and is barely at 40% right now

i just bought another one :D
[Hero CDMA Accessories] iesous-kurios:
In for 2, who knows if they'll be better than my stock one, I'm just excited about having cheap back-ups for future trips made up as an excuse to try "My Tracks" app.

Some download apps for things they need, I download them for things I'd like to need :)
[Hero CDMA Accessories] cbarth3:
ordered on Feb 24th also and nothing yet. hopefully will be in the mailbox when i get home from work this morning
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Sirchuk:
Got mine day before yesterday. So far so good. It's a difference, I get a little more juice. For $10, even if it's the same or heck, a little less, it's worthwhile for a second battery. I really wish I had one while I was on vacation, away from a plug or USB port for long periods and while using GPS...stock battery was draaaaiinned..
[Hero CDMA Accessories] cbarth3:
Got mine today in the mail. see how things go
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Patb8man:
when did you order Im still waiting on mine...i ordered mine on the 27th
[Hero CDMA Accessories] myke66:
Got mine today, or, well, probably friday, hadnt checked the mail. Will update after some use.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] jonnythan:
No offense to anyone, but I find it amusing that people believe these batteries actually have more juice than the stock battery.... or any better than the batteries you get when you order two plus a wall charger for $14.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] KBizzle:
Got my battery 2 days ago and it is Outstanding! Cant beat 10 dollars for a few more hours of juice!! If this battery was a woman, I would marry it!!!

Yes all of that was exaggerated because some people feel it necessary to come in and trash talk for no reason. Its our money and if we want to buy something that could possibly benefit us, then we will.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] myke66:
this absolutely has better battery life. I'm getting a full day use out of it without going under 60%, i used to come home to around 30-40%, be as skeptical as you like, but its proving to be better.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] gmelchert:
Has anyone else read the little warning card that was in the box. It is classic chinglish hahaha check it out for some laughs
[Hero CDMA Accessories] myke66:
Lol, yes, i read that last night. I love the random typos.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] akijikan:
I got mine a couple of days ago. Happy with it.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Tenny:
So a lot better battery life, or just a hair?
[Hero CDMA Accessories] brian2220:
i would say alot for mine

i took mine off the charger at 8am and have been using it most of the day and its 12:30 am now and its at just 30%:D
[Hero CDMA Accessories] jonnythan:
An anecdote is not proof. These $10 batteries don't have any advanced black magic that didn't make it into the OEM batteries ;)

Confirmation bias is a strong thing.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] poor_red_neck:
And continuously charging and draining the battery is better?

lolol.

You're getting the facepalm buddy.

Almost ALL electronic devices these days are "smart chargers"

once the battery is full, it stops applying current to the batteries.

You know when the light turns green on your hero and the battery is charged? Yeah, its no longer putting current into the battery. If so they would all explode.

LiIon batteries only have a certain number of charge cycles before you get cell degradation. They don't have "memory" like old NiCa or NiMh batteries. They're better to be topped off regularly than completely decharged and charged over and over.

Leaving a laptop plugged in is the BEST thing you can do for your battery. The powersupply/charger is supplying the current to power the laptop. If you unplug it everytime the battery is charged and let it go dead before you plug it back in, you are taking life away from the battery and ruining it.

Most companies don't even manufacture their own batteries. You're buying a battery from the same companies that make the batteries for the name brand devices.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] gqukyo:
I just got mine last week and for $10 it's great spare battery but that's about it. I don't notice any noticable capacity increases and the phone doesn't calculate the amount of battery life left correctly. It'll just go from 10% to dead. These types of batteries can vary greatly in build quality as well as QC/QA. Everyone's mileage will vary because of various things like software build, signal strength, usage, etc. I don't doubt some are getting better battery life nor the ones who are saying they are getting crappy battery life. For $10 though and some patience, you can't go wrong with using this as a spare battery. ;)
[Hero CDMA Accessories] brinox:
in actuality, the physics behind it are far more complicated than the average consumer can even begin to understand. batteries degrade because of a factor of how much a specific type of reaction occurs in rechargeable batteries, what could be called the factor of dead cell reactions. All rechargeable batteries using current technologies will inevitably seize due to this reaction.

The chemical reaction here in substance doesnt really matter, but the factor at which it occurs does. the more this reaction occurs, the more dead cells there are in the battery, thereby allowing less charge to be held. some things that affect this factor are primarily heat. As a battery is cycled, electrons move from within the battery to the circuit contacts. this moving of electrons invariably creates heat which in turn increases the factor of dead cell reactions previously mentioned.

Also, the linearly perceived percentage of charge held in the battery also affects the factor of dead cell reactions. each battery type has a different range at which minimizes the dead cell reaction factor. for lithium ion batteries, most conclude that storing the battery at slightly below room temperature with a 40% charge maximizes the longevity of the battery.

to touch on the limited number of charge cycles, this is derived from lab testing in the most commonly found environment settings, including typical working temperature, discharge rate and length etc... These all fall back on how hot the battery gets and for how long. given all these variables, the manufacturers come up with a stastically probable number of charge cycles.

i hope this helps shed some light on battery longevity for you.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] ElAguila:
Just got mine today. Took 15 days for the post to make here. I am charging it now. I will try it over the next few days and post how it does for me.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] akijikan:
It's not black magic. It's additional capacity. 2000mah is more than the stock battery.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] jonnythan:
It's not like they just add a bit more lithium and have a "higher capacity" battery.

Those mAh numbers are indeed mostly black magic, especially when you're buying no-names direct from China. There's no standard way to measure a battery's mAh - even reputable battery manufacturers differ significantly, but most tend towards the methods that give you the highest numbers.

But in the case of this battery, that number almost certainly came from the manufacturer's butt. They don't have the magic formula that lets them squeeze extra energy into an identically-sized package for a fraction of the price. They have essentially the same battery (and probably a lower-quality one at that) and slap a bigger number on it.

Go compare a few Chinese 2750 mAh AA cells from eBay to some 2400 mAh Eneloops and see which ones power your camera longer.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] samsoccer7:
I was under the impression that this Andida battery is slightly bigger, maybe 2 mm thicker, which doesn't seem like much but for a flat and broad item like a battery, maybe it really does have more capacity.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Patb8man:
We get you dont like aftermarket batteries...and you think that they are a scam...and blah blah blah...no one wants to argue about batteries...we know your opinion so please just move on and let it go. This thread was started to let those know who are interested that the battery was back in stock and for out reviews.

With that said I received mine yesterday and not taking mahs into consideration just by actually using it i have experienced that it does indeed last longer...Id say about a 25 percent increase. I ran a few test with just wifi on and music playing with both batteries and noticed that the Andia definitely better. I encourage anyone who is skeptical to pick one up they do work and they work well for $10 bucks its one of the best bargains I have gotten in a long time. I will be ordering another.
[Hero CDMA Accessories] jonnythan:
... What? I've never, ever, ever said anything remotely like that. I have no clue what gave you that impression.

Quite the contrary. I've said in this very thread that I own aftermarket batteries. I buy aftermarket replacement batteries for almost everything - cell phones, laptops, my DSLR, my compact camera, you name it. I own two aftermarket eBay batteries from China for my Hero.

No idea where you get off making such a claim.

Obviously you think you know more than you actually know.

So, now, back to our regularly scheduled thread about "additional capacity" replacement batteries that are actually the same size as the original...
[Hero CDMA Accessories] Dan330:
hi,

it is a $10 battery.

Does it really matter how much better it is? ;)

I had mine since Friday. It is on its 3rd charge.

Off charger at 8am, now it is Noon: 90% right now. with a few phone calls, market download of 2 programs, bluetooth and GPS is on.

even if the batter is 50% of the stock performance.

It is still worth $10 for a backup battery

taking into consideration other backup solutions and costs.

:)

Edit / Update:

it is now 4pm and it is at 84%.. with minor use.