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[Windows Phone 7 General] cp_kirkley:
Absolutely incorrect. Typing this post on 2 month old Vaio F series.

Core i7QM, 8 GB Ram, 256GB SSD, 1GB 330m GT.

This machine is everything I hoped my $2600 Macbook Pro (which I just sold off) would be, and I paid $1900 for it. Even the new CTO Macbook Pro's wont be up to this spec.

Even has the backlit Chiclet style Keyboard. And since I'm a jerk, I rebelEFI'ed this ***** and now dual boot OSX and Win7 on a laptop whose bottom doesn't get hot enough to burn my sac.

Only thing I miss is the glass trackpad.

Edit - spike, I got you beat - Try flying 17 hours nonstop from Newark to Singapore ;)

Also, at least on the first gen unibodies AFAIK, Windows did support using both GPU's, but you could not switch them on the fly, you had to reboot. It defaults to the integrated, though... If i was in Windows on integrated and wanted to play a game, I would have to reboot into OSX, change to High Performance mode so the the 9600 was on all the time, then reboot back into windows. Very poorly designed. To be honest I think that they do it on purpose to make windows look bad. I had a Vaio 3 years back that had dual GPU's (7400 and 7700) that you could switch on the fly, it was a software program.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Why would you want a backlit keyboard?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
why not??

it is da bomb when working in the dark.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Well, it's backlit, which is a decrease in battery life, and unless you're an absolutely pathetic typist, you have absolutely no need for it.

Plus it's distracting.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
There are many other goodies too, like HDMI out...AND A NUMBER PAD!

I don't know when number pads became a "goodie" on 17" laptops, but I'd like to find and inflict pain on whoever it was who started that trend...

You can't really "compare" the designs of the machines, because it's going to be wholly a matter of personal preference.

Personally, I think the HP EliteBook 8730w is the most beautiful laptop on the market at the moment -- I prefer its brushed aluminium exterior over anything else.

Sony has some amazing designs-- the Z-Series (which packs an i7, dedicated graphics, Blu-ray, and quad-SSDs into a 3 lb, 13" machine), for instance, is damn impressive and something you won't see anywhere else (just take a look at that motherboard!).

Intel graphics?

I thought we were talking laptops in the >$2000 price point.

You would pay >$2000 for a laptop with Intel graphics?

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Obviously if you need huge battery life, a second battery is the way to go, but that's only useful if you keep it charged all the time and carry it around, whereas better longevity with the built-in unit is always useful. There are also external batteries available for the MBP for those who need them.[/quote]

But again, it [the MBP] doesn't have swappable/extendable batteries.

As for extended battery life "always" being useful, I'm going to have to disagree. My HP Compaq nw9440 (my 3-year-old laptop) gets 2.25 hours of battery life, and I never run out. The power profile that I run Windows 7 on involves dimming the screen et cetera, so I plug in wherever I can. The only time I actually run the laptop off of batteries is in the few classrooms at college that don't have plugs, and that's at most for an hour or hour-and-a-half at a time.

It's not really. There are advanced power-saving features built into OSX that talk directly to the batteries and maximize battery life. Windows by definition either can't or has a MUCH harder time achieving this because of the varied hardware it has to deal with.

I guess I should feel fortunate that my HP Compaq nw9440's battery hasn't done this over the 3 years I've had it. When I got it (graduation present) with Windows XP it had a 2 hour battery life. 3 years later with Windows 7 it has a 2.25 hour battery life.

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[Windows Phone 7 General] cp_kirkley:
@ Spike

Backlit keyboards are boss when you are in bed next to your wife who's already asleep... lol
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Pathetic fanboys...

You wanted me to proof that the iPhone's build quality sucks and I did it. Perfect time for you idiots to shut up. You morons just can't accept when the crap that's been put into your tiny, washed brains by Apple's reality distortion field is proven wrong...

Anyway, here you have an effect: Resale value - who wants a phone with a cracked case and scratches all over the logo and frame?!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
How?

If I was in bed with my girlfriend on my laptop, I'd want to minimize the amount of light I was generating to avoid waking her up.

Then again my girlfriend is a really light sleeper...

EDIT: I also can't stand using laptops in bed.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
Backlit keyboards are very useful I must say.
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
How has this become a "Mac vs. PC" thread?!

You're not going to compare Snow Leopard to Windows 7 now I hope... :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Saying that is a tacit admission of being a terrible typist.

It's not really far from "WP7S vs. iPhone" to "Mac vs. PC", I mean both involve comparing an Apple product to a Microsoft product (or a product which uses a Microsoft product, i.e. a laptop running Windows).

Windows 7 vs. Snow Leopard isn't even a contest.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
Please don't say that ... :)

Ok, Apple fanTrollboys, defend your Snow Leopard in ...1 ...2 ...3 :D

Come on, don't by shy ... come on, come on ...:p
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
every advantage has it's offsetting disadvantage.

I made my choice. And it turns off automatically if you are just watching video and not using the keyboard. Plus the brightness can be adjusted.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Except a backlit keyboard has no advantage unless you're a terrible typist.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
I have both a white and black iphone at home.

No cracks....at least none visible to the naked eye.

I need to post pictures when I get some time.

And you still need to admit that the pictures you posted first were made of toy phones made by Fisher-price. The material shown in those pictures are not even close to the real thing.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
On the same note, you do not need graphics card on you phone or computer. I don't.

I am very good at visualizing the images that are being described. :D You must be pathetic at imagination i guess if I am according to you a pathetic typist.

Or for that matter, why do you need a screen? Just type away.

Or to make more sense, WHY do you need WVGA, when HVGA works just fine?

Duh!
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
This "argument" is simply stupid. It compares features which add functionality which one that conditionally does not add functionality.

If you are a good/proficient typist, you do not look at the keyboard when you're using it, and therefore a backlit keyboard is wholly useless. What use does it serve to illuminate [in any way] something that you will not be looking at?

None.

Therefore, conditional upon you being a good typist, a backlit keyboard adds no functionality.

On the other hand, the features that you presume to compare a backlit keyboard with -- a video card, a monitor, and a higher-resolution monitor -- do add functionality, functionality which is useful.

Now, had you added a condition which did indeed nullify the usefulness of any of these (for example, being blind) that would've been a semi-valid argument.

Note the use of "semi-". This is because there is no reasonable expectation that people are blind (since blind people are an extremely small minority) while there is a reasonable expectation that people be good typists (since computers -- and therefore keyboard -- are so ubiquitous).
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Those are your needs. Don't confuse them with mine. Please?

Thank you.

I need a backlit keyboard, and am happy with a HVGA resolution on such small screens as mobile phones as they serve the purpose they intended to serve, at the medically recommended reading distance.

more density does not make anything better. By your definition, lead is the best material around.

But we use other material more than Lead.
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
For goodness sake, what does keyboard backlight have to do with anything?
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
You are right.

Spike, you got an answer for that?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
I wasn't confusing anyone's needs nor was I putting forth my needs. I was stating a fact: If you are a good typist, and therefore do not look at the keyboard, then you do not need a backlit keyboard.

Which brings us back to you being a terrible typist.

Being "happy" with something does not necessarily mean that more would not be useful or desirable.

...what?
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
Give us an example of a current GOOD mobile OS that doesn't slow down or lag. Doubling the CPU, at best, only means that the sluggishness is only half as bad...:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
My HD2 lags not a bit. Android handles it well, webOS is completely based around the multitasking concept.

Not too long ago, we would have been happy if our PCs had 1GHz and 512MB RAM.

I will say it again, and a thousand times if necessary: The argument that multitasking slows anything down is bull****. If an app doesn't do anything while running in the background, it slows nothing down. It can also be suspended or save its state and close. If it does work in the background, then it obviously does so because the user wants that - thus, no need for restrictions.

Only a crappy OS needs restrictions. There's always a way to make an OS easy to use AND powerful. ALWAYS. You only need restrictions if you're lazy or not able to make a good OS.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
It's not really an argument. It's fundamental to the operation of CPU's.

I've read reviews where all of those phones have sluggish moments and lags. No phone has been rated as more speedier and responsive than iPhone...yet. I haven't used a phone more speedier and responsive than iPhone...yet. Not to say others are bad, but the one thing you must notice when using an iPhone is how ridiculously smooth and fast it runs. I think the lack of multitasking has mostly to do with it...otherwise, why would MS ditch multitasking?
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
It has its hiccups just like any other phone. It's not at all faster than phones with similar hardware.

I said it already: Either because they're lazy or because they're not good enough to make a good OS with a good method to handle it.

Anyway... found a good post that sums it up exactly how I think about it: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5651630&postcount=64

I'll leave it at that. I totally agree: There's no excuse for no multitasking.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
That's BS. Link to some YouTube comparisons to show some proof of that. And I'm not talking about browser speed comparisons.

Not likely for a multibillion dollar corp. That's just not realistic. They've obviously been spending quite some time on this new OS and decided to scrap the old one. If they were lazy and not good enough, they could have just kept throwing lipstick on WM6.x
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Similar hardware?

Name a few phones with hardware that is similar to the iPhone. I am eager to find out.

on Multitasking:
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
Apple has an awesome physics engine that makes everything feel smooth.

That has nothing at all to do with multitasking. Just compare it with another phone with NOTHING running in the background, and you'll get the EXACT SAME result as if the other phone had 10 apps or so running at once.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ramdroid77:
I don't think the crashes are the problem as MS sees it. The problem is that many WM applications have problems to run on different configurations, with the main issue being screen size handling. Most apps just aren't coded properly. See also the issues when they moved down the start menu to bottom. Apps who properly handle the screen area are still working fine!

Another issue is that there's no standardized UI library for WM except the old standard controls (which are already history long ago). But if you look at Marketplace there's still many apps and you still see this old ****.

It really takes some major efforts to create WM apps today with the current tools we have! And with WP7 taking a cut this problem is no more! I'm really glad they are doing it this way. Though I still hope that they don't completely deny access to the original WinCE API. If they do this then there's no more tools, system programs and the likes and people used to developing such applications need to find a new job :(
[Windows Phone 7 General] Shasarak:
That strikes me as both plausible and desirable, but with one possible exception on desirability: what hurdles will be in the way of developers who want permission to create a type 2 app? The impression I've got from what I've read so far is that there will basically only be two classes of developers for WP7S: OEMs (i.e. phone manufacturers and networks) and everybody else; in other words, I suspect no one other than OEMs will be able to make a "type 2" app.
[Windows Phone 7 General] WhyBe:
There is no such hardware component as a physics engine. Are you talking about a graphics processor? If you're talking software, then it boils down to CPU cycles.

Your statement, as written, doesn't flow logically.

If you're saying a multitasking phone running one app will be just as smooth as iPhone, then you're proving the point that multitasking is going to slow things down (once all CPU cycles are consumed). And I still would like to see your proof. The WP7 is the first OS I've seen running as smooth as or smoother than iPhone...and iPhone is not even WVGA and WP7 probably isn't even fully optimized yet.
[Windows Phone 7 General] OndraSter:
Nah, we mean physicsengine for scrolling etc, in WM the file is named "physicsengine.dll";)
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
@WhyBe No offense, but... you should really learn reading!

Anyway, the iPhone's smoothness has NOTHING to do with its lack of multitasking and there is NO EXCUSE for that lack of multitasking. Period.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
I still cannot find a real use-case of multitasking on mobile phone.

You know, real use case which something you have done and that requires multitasking.

In other thread, someone posted:

- Using navigation software ... while downloading a file ... and taking phone calls in the same time.

That's not real use-case, because that would be dangerous in the first place, managing torrents or FTP while driving. In fact, poster admitted it just a random example to illustrate of multitasking.

Listening radio while browsing? I doubt this cannot be done in WP7 (I saw demo of WP7 somewhere that show this capability).

So, any real use-case example?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Silverdragondk:
Well my brother uses internet radio on his iphone from time to time. He can't do that and other things at the same time on the iphone(like txting, looking at pictures etc.). If the same applies to WP7s, then there you have a "real use example".

Regards

P.S

Navigation software can also be used on foot. You don't have to be driving.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
All right, that is indeed real use example.

I don't know if that is not possible on iPhone.

But, on the iPhone, when you listen to internet radio (I suppose this is via 3rd party app), can you still take a phone call? I would guess, you can.

I don't know the answer on WP7, probably we have to wait on MIX10.

Still, I don't think anyone would manage torrents or FTP while walking using navigation software :) I won't do that, at that I would enjoy my walk :P

Probably better use case if you listen to the internet radio while navigating :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] vangrieg:
You don't need to manage downloads while driving, you just need them to continue in background.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
- internet radio

- a remote control or remote desktop connetcion

- an ftp client (or up- and downloading files in general, nobody wants to wait for that)

- navigation (cause nobody wants to wait for the sat fix all the time)

- any kind of service, there are many on WM6.5, like butoon mappers, gesture controls and much more

. IM clients (though at least that one can be solved with push notifications - but actually, I don't want my IM conversations go through the hands of 5 different companies)

That's a lot, actually, and I'm sure I missed a few.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
It's already been hinted that programs that have a reason to need background running support will be allowed to do so with approval. I just doubt the average joe indy dev is going to have an easy time getting that approval, but big dev I'm sure will. They have already mentioned things like pandora running in the background.
[Windows Phone 7 General] ramdroid77:
Currently it seems like the native API is not available for 3rd parts devs so all this stuff is simply not possible. Like stated from Microsoft the only purpose of the new OS is to provide their user experience.
[Windows Phone 7 General] seed_al:
Sorry, but... no. It has been hinted that developers will have "other ways to get their value to the customers, even when their apps are not running". Which clearly means: No multitasking at all. Only push notifications.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
Let us see your hD2 casing survive that...

Will it Blend

Oh no...

http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2009/11/16/will-it-break-htc-hd2-gets-dropped-you-know-you-like-these-videos/
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
What? you ask what?

you spoke of High resolution screens. Which is essentially a screen more densely packed with pixels (dpi).
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
But that doesn't correlate to metals at all. A screen's quality is largely determined by the number of dots that it uses to create an image. A metal's strength and/or quality is not largely determined by its density.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
so why is 300 dpi better when you can read just as well with 150dpi at the recommended reading distances?
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Why is Cambria considered to be more visually-appealing than Consolas?

After all, I'm sure you can read text in both fonts equally as well.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Kloc:
I was talking about on a phone or laptop there keyboards aren't similar sized as a desktop keyboard therefore harder to hit the right key everytime. I don't have to look at the keyboard to type when on my desktop.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
ummm because some people are poor readers and need visually appealing fonts? :eek:

Same reason I need a backlit keyboard. It appeals to me.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
I have the perfect keyboard for you my friend.
[Windows Phone 7 General] Spike15:
Don't laugh dude.

My buddy has one of those [Das Keyboard Ultimate].

I was going to get one but I preferred the feel (and sound ; ) ) of the older IBM Model M (buckling spring versus cherry switches), so I got one of the Model M remakes that Unicomp makes.

This is my keyboard:
[Windows Phone 7 General] C:Sharp!:
Why don't you admit that you're lying to yourself?

That thing is an iPhone, period.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
No. it is not.

PERIOD.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
I am not even laughing. Am I?

I am only recommending it to you.

Not everybody needs it. Same for the backlit keyboard. Same for HVGA and WVGA
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
Are you somehow retarded?

Those pics are from iPhone:

iPhone 3G hairline crack (AppleInsider.com)

Or do you think iPhone users on MacTalk.com forum are retarded?

iPhone 3G crack replacement (MacTalk.com)

And http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=525177

And there are many more from Apple.com support forum:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=iphone+hairline+cracks+site:apple.com

There are so many evidence. Why are you denying it?

Don't say that your iPhone does not have that cracks. I am talking here on general, not only yours. So you know Apple iPhone build quality in more clear.
[Windows Phone 7 General] orangkeren:
internet through USB :)
[Windows Phone 7 General] chikoo:
So 100 people have cracks? and they posted on the website.

What about all the ones that do not have cracks and have not posted on the website.

Learn more about statistics 101 before blasting your mouth off.
[Windows Phone 7 General] cp_kirkley:
Actually, you may want to reread the Stat 101 book to see what you missed. How many people actually post about issues on their phones? Just think about the sheer number of 3G and 3G S, circulating the globe at this very second. Then add in the if number that you've so professionally calculated is 100, theres easily 500 to 1000 times more than that with the same problem, who just dont have the time/inclination to complain over the internets about it., or who simply have not recieved their phone yet. Do you have any idea what MLE is?

Maximum Likelyhood Estimation. Stop dumbing down my profession with your idiocy.

I've done a fictional sample to keep it as low impact as possible. as of March 26th, there are roughly 250,000 iphones being used in ireland alone (100 percent true). Lets say that Apple (who would NEVER post something like this, BTW), says their imperfection tolerance level is 3 percent.

That's 750 phones suffering from this problem in little old Ireland. Care to estimate how many iPhones you'll find in England? How bout Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Japan? Oh, yeah, how bout China.

I haven't even touched USA's 100 "isolated incidents" yet... You are incredibly naive to think that this problem is that small.

The cracks aren't the fault of shoddy manufacturing, its shoddy material being used. Thats why there are so many problems. You cant possibly predict how many of these POS casings are going to fail before its over. I gave 3 percent as a generous figure - If I were assessing apple based solely on the negative ink posted on their own website's forums, I would give an MLE of about 30 percent.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
u read books, but are not experienced enough.

MLE is nothing but "ASS"-umption based upon what little you know.

I have 3 iphones in the family, now into the 3rd year. No cracks. Based upon this data, what is your MLE?

A satisfied customer rarely posts any reviews because he/she is happy enjoying the product.

A dis-satisfied consumer will post his/her bad experience in 10 different posts in the same forum, and repeat that act in 10 more forums.

An internet discussion board is merely good at knowing what possible defects are our there.

It is absolutely no indication of the spread of the problem.

A formal study is needed if you really want to find those % numbers.
[Windows Phone 7 General] chiks19018:
so if you assign 3% defect rate to the iphone material selection/manufacturing process, what rate will you assign to HTC HD2?
[Windows Phone 7 General] cp_kirkley:
I never said that HTC was/is ever will be flawless. Errors in design and cost cutting production are part of todays economic strategy, unfortunately. Quite honestly I would say HTC is probably about the same. However, in the case of the HD2 - I would estimate the number of PHYSICAL flaws to be less than the 3g or 3G s, if only because the material and shape of the phone.

The tempered glass screen is a wash, both have one. but the aluminum battery cover and the lack of visible screws (stress points) would lead me to believe that the housing of the HD will hold out lomger than the 3G or 3G S.
[Windows Phone 7 General] gogol:
Come on dude ... I just could not stand when Apple iPhone fantrollboys said that iPhone build quality is so perfect and on denial for the facts otherwise. While they are bashing how bad HTC WM devices. Think that, any product would have some defective ones, no doubt about it. I just got annoyed when stupid retarded fanboys like they are in this thread.