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[HD2 General] gamemanx:
I still will buy the HD2 this week:)

because i'm sure someone will make wp7 work on this awesome phone!:D
[HD2 General] imtiyazee:
If we read the article it says...

There could be more to this than just the sin of having two buttons too many, however: Tony Wilkinson, Business Operations Director for Microsoft Australia, told APC that “there are some hardware components that the HD doesn’t have”

What do you guys think we are lacking behind ?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Jesus, people, nobody ever said that WP7 devices can't have more than 3 buttons. It was specifically said that WP7 devices will all have 3 specific buttons, and one of them, Search, is missing on HD2.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Nothing. HD2 is perfectly able to run WP7 and the button story is just a pretence.

They'll never tell you the real reasons...
[HD2 General] fantasytozi:
I agree. That's a ridiculous excuse. Lack of search button does not affect anything with the system, I think.

One more ridiculous thing about WinPhone7, when they showed off in MWC, u can click on the top of the phone and bring out search function, so what is useful to have a physics button for "search".
[HD2 General] fatalus:
What is certain is that as long as there is uncertainty and especially if they announce that that there will NOT be any upgrade to WinMo7, sales of HD2 will suffer A LOT. Think that HD2 is only now being offered in USA, and you can imagine what great damage it can do to its sales. So I am still optimistic..
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
yes.. now that winmo 6.5 will be absolete in 8 months, who will want to develope apps or program for our devices?? what about our future? knowing that in 8 months, there will be lack of or no new apps at all.. damn...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Which is made by HTC...
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It's a device, and the reasons to buy or not to buy one should be more in the lines of "it satisfies my needs well for the price I have to pay", rather than "the company that made it could have been more generous in their upgrade policy".

Me, the iPhone may have the best upgrade policy in the world but I just don't like it. Android is even worse. So it was HD2 for me as it was the best device in the market at the time of purchase. If there will be a better phone at the end of this year I'll buy it. Every one of us knew that HTC didn't have a policy of upgrading phones for years. Nobody promised anything. On the other hand, they don't slash prices by hundreds of dollars a month after release, so you still get decent resell value.

So what's the fuss? If you think Android (or, more precisely, a specific Android-powered device) is great for you then go ahead and buy it. By buying it to make a statement to HTC (or Microsoft) is a bit childish, IMO.
[HD2 General] dondian:
@XDA mark: i'm with you on this one, and i think so are most HD2 users..

If i remember correctly i was hearing some "it's up to the OEMs" (if HD2 will get the winmo7 or not..), not it seems it's Microsoft's call only. How would that news (no winmo7 for HD2) affect sales in the US?

And yeah, i'm calling it winmo7 :)
[HD2 General] kilrah:
I believe it's rather "OEMs can decide to provide upgrades or not, BUT phones that would get upgrades must comply to the WP7 specsheet" - which no phone on the market does. So they don't explicitely refuse it, even if in practice there's no device that would apply, which is essentially a common "politically correct" way to forbid something ;)

No. It's an expensive, high end device, as you said OF THIS MOMENT, which is a WM6.5 device. That's all. In 6 months we'll have a new expensive high end device, it will be even more awesome than the HD2, and it will be running WP7.

That's how market works. A phone stays at its "place" for 6 months to 1 year, then it's time for another. That's it... The HD2 is great, but by the time WP7 is out (don't forget that's still far away) it will be 1 year old and outdated, yes. We'll have the same great capacitive multitouch screens and other good stuff we have on the HD2, and we'll also have dual core 1.5GHz CPUs that eat less power, etc...

The HD2 is so "awesome" because it uses a whole set of "new" hardware (new in the non-Apple market...). But that's becoming a standard now, so your next phones will also have it and won't lose anything to the HD2.

I too was sticking with my TyTN 2, I really loved it and for a long time I was thinking "damn, they don't do anything that good anymore, I'm gonna keep it forever"... I did keep it for 20 months indeed which is pretty much a record for me, but when I saw the HD2 it didn't take me more than an hour to pack my TyTN 2 for resale and forget it.

Which will repeat for ever, maybe not with every device "generation" (the 2 between my Kaiser and the HD2 just didn't appeal to me at all, too "patchy/unfinished" IMO), but at least every few.
[HD2 General] vikramdhani:
to be honest i dont know when a good phone with Windows Mobile 7 will be out so i am not holding on for that and i will enjoy my HD2 to the fullest and when its time for Windows Mobile 7 we will see what needs or can be done at that time
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
kilrah...it may be a long time for now, but a lot of developers are halting progress and apps wor the WinMo 6.5.. so it is considered OUTDATED NOW. Adobe wont even relase flash for US! U R SO WRONG
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Just to be clear, Adobe said that the HD2 would be the first WinMo phone to get Flash before they announced that Flash on WM6.5 had been cancelled. That cancellation renders the previous announcement null and void.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
yep..so our HD2 is already OUTDATED NOW. no more companies will support and develope apps for WinMo 6.5. They will all be concentrated on the upcoming WP7S.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Hmm, so by that reasoning my TV must be outdated too, because 3d tv will be out in a year or two. Might as well throw it in the bin now.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
What happened to it's up to the OEMs? :P
[HD2 General] funky26cro:
this is unbelivable damm Micro**** ,i care obout winmo 7 upgrade becose only one reason winmo 6.5 have old win ce 5 core ,and it does not use snapdragon proc like it should it only runs it in brute mode (or something like this) i buyed htc hd2 becose everybody was saying there will be upgradable to win mo 7 and now damm micro **** fuks us over like this have 5 buttons instead 3 lol it really makes me angry stupid fuks,now lets hope xda can make some custom roms for us at least with that new win ce core to use snapdragon properly
[HD2 General] TweakMyDevice:
I have a T-mobile TP2 now and like it better than any other WinMo device I've used. It fits all of my needs and will do so until HTC releases an upgrade to the HD2 with WP7. I have been considering upgrading to the HD2 since I really like the size and specs of the device. However I'm looking forward to a device that supports wireless video streaming, has a mini-hdmi connection, projector, and dual-core cpu. So with that being said, I'll pass on the HD2 and wait for a device with all/most of my wishlist whether it be WP7 or Android.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Well then you should just slap yourself for believing random people when there's no official statement... :rolleyes:

Either there's something official, to which you can stick to, or you gamble and accept that you can win or lose.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
To be more clear, I am not buying it to make a statement to HTC. I never did such kind of stuff. Lot's of people think by saying 'I am going to buy a PS3!!!' because they got banned is going to do something to MS, but it wont.

If I would buy a Nexus One, I would do it because I myself need it. These are the things I need:

1. Good specs. Both the HD2 and Nexus One have them. Yes, in one year there will be better, but the HD2 specs will still be far above avarage.

2. A phone that just works good and smooth, as a phone. Just using the device to make a call, still does not work as smooth as I would like. Unlocking the device is simple, just slide. But Sense can have quite a bit of lag. Then when going in to the Phone app, I never feel good. It is laggy, not well organized. Today I saw somebody using a Touch Diamond2, making some phonecalls, worked smoother then on the HD2 :eek:

3. The overall OS must be smooth. And it just needs to 'work'. When I start working out at home and prepare my music, it does not work so well as I would like. The music player is slow, and is not 'one piece'. Using it without going in to 'library' does not work well, I am not going to slide from A to Z. But when you choose something in Library, you go back to the main Music Tab. So it is just 'not as easy as it could be' for me while working out to change music. That's why I listen to the same song 10 times xD

You know, the HD2 is awesome. And I do not fully get it yet that WP7S is months away, end of this year. But just knowing that all developers are going away, hurts me. I was worried about the 'appstore' when I got the HD2, but hoped it would get better soon. But now...

And no more Flash :(

It is just very sad. For me even more, because I am in a situation that is very weird. I have the money for 5 Nexus One's. I could buy one right now (well not really, it is not out yet in Europe, April I think). But I have been swithing phone's at a rate of 1 every 6 months. It would just be TOO much.

And yes, I could sell my HD2, even though I have NO idea where most phone's get sold. But then there is another bigger problem, that the people around me would get pretty mad if I switched phone's again.

I though so well about my phone choice... but I just could not know MS would do something like this. Nobody did.

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And good to hear that the 'adobe confirms upgrade' is fake.. another step closer to starting to cry :D
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Yes i say its outdated because developers are starting to abandon WInMO 6.5.. dont compare to 3d tv plz. Its retarded.
[HD2 General] pack21:
+1,

For now they will not able, to note a significant damage on Sales.....but when come the July, the drope will start hard......

Until there HTC will release a new HD with WM6.5.3....with the Hardware WM7 promise....WILL YOU BELIVE THEM and buy one?

I don't!

Don't buy HTC devices.....or they will catch your.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
The HD2 will still be the best option when it finally arrives in USA T-Mobile.

I doubt that app development for WM6 will just suddenly dry up. The WP7S apps UI will be better for finger use, but what about features and quality? It's something that we'll have to wait and see.
[HD2 General] Pablo84:
The HD2 is a sexy beast, and the openess of the platform means I will probably keep it for as long as I had my I900, which was a while. Let the babies have their Winmo7 with three buttons. Micro-soft in the head!
[HD2 General] UberScooter:
I got my HD2 on possibility of Winmo 7...but now that I have it and have upgraded the ROM as well as added Co0kie's Home Tab Mod and Co0kie's Home Tab Editor it has changed totally the phone for me. Quite honestly if I can get Winmo 6.5.3 and use these two mods than I am happy to let Winmo 7 hit the street let someone else experience the inevitable bugs, let MS fix said bugs and look to upgrade when I get my next hadnset.

I am still marvelling at the HD2 as it comes...my boss who can find fault with all things MS has moved to an HD2 and he pretty much concurs...this thing is awesome as it stands...

If we get the upgrade great but if we don't I will still have a great experience with my HD2.

It does seem as though MS is shooting itself in the foot - T Mobile is about to or has released the HD2 in the states and I can think of no better way to alienate user/customers than to not allow this device to run Winmo 7.

Scott
[HD2 General] xenept:
lmao@ HD2 having too many buttons.

That's too funny it's unreal. Has to be the lamest excuse in history.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Thanks. Don't need brand new apps if they're iFart or iBeer likes ;)

Perfecly common with a lot of things you use, that's called standardisation.

Every brand has very strict design codes. When you see the logo of a company on an ad or such, it can't just be slapped there, the color has to be exactly the correct one, the placement is precisely ruled down, etc... how the company wants it.

On the iphone EVERY app has to have its UI in the standard way for its class, with the back button on top left, etc...

This is just the same, MS decided to give a precise, distinctive configuration to all WP7 phones, and the button is just one part of the standard.

Don't forget that most users do not care what OS runs on their phone, or even that it actually has one.
[HD2 General] raphy82:
Another source... saying NO.....

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news5567.html

I´m so dissapointed on every one...

A message to HTC. What is the purpose of HD2 to have Multitouch when there is NO games and NO apps for multytouch... Why ?

Can someone tell if it is possible to return the phone to HTC because we were told a lie that this is a multitouch,

the hardware is avialble but there is NO sw ???

How stupid is that ...

It´s like saying "buy this car and it can drive manualy but there is NO program for it... Stupid...

Power to the people...

I say we do something about it... we spent a lot of money and we were promissed a multitouch devidce...

We want a multitouch phone that have the SW for it,,.

So we can have our Games and Apps for it.

Thanks for the support...
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Nope, you are right (even though if they are free, or 0.80 cents it is still a fun thing to show to your friends). In the WM Marketplace right now, I believe the fart app is like 3 euro or something :confused:

But I really believe there will be some great apps on WP7S. Most people are positive about the new OS, so that already is a good thing. Developers will see money in the new OS and start making apps. The more apps, the better an application has to be to sell well.

If there are no weird suprises, you will see kick-ass games on the WP7S devices (not like the BS you can download for the HD2... Bejeweled 2 and Teeter are the only things I do. Why could they not make a simple and good Solitair :() .. You will see great news apps. Stuff from how to make food till how to learn your cat to not scratch you while playing with it.

Either way: a fact is that developers are probably going to choose 7 Series over WinMo 6.5. Even though more people have 6.5 devices now.. I really don't understand why there are no developers making quality apps for the HD2 :confused: It is all those 'WinMo sucks' comments on the net that made it get to this point... most people didn't even know what WinMo was like.

@Raphy82: Jup, another very good example. They give you multitouch, 1GHz processor, 4.3 inch screen... etc etc etc... but wait? No apps made to use those things? Where are all the great apps? Hello? Somebody?... argh, this makes me so mad. The one app where all those things are used though, are in the browser. Seriously, the HD2 has one of the best browsers there is. I will try and focus on that ^___^
[HD2 General] pack21:
Yeap...but don't forget the devices that are to come soon, with same or best specs than HD2....Androids, maemo, WeOS and iphone4.....we will see, when they comes out, what WM6.5 devices will sell.....until WM7 comes out, in Nov.

MS loss their best WM7 embassator....the happy of upgrade HD2/WM7 users.:(
[HD2 General] iphoneresister:
Does anyone know for sure that this article is accurate? I'm not personally familiar with APC news...

We're certain that the alleged quote of one MS employee in Asia can be taken as gospel for the whole world?
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
No. You should not take this is as a 100% sure 'no upgrade for you HD2 owners'. But then again, it is one of the many 'hints' that there will be no upgrade to Windows Phone 7.
[HD2 General] Schøler:
It still doesn't look good...

I think it's classic M$, and why would that change...? I'm not a pessimist, but this doesn't look good:-(

And I was so looking forward to getting the new Windows Phone 7 Series...:'-(
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
You realize it's the exact same article and the exact same quotes as the original post right? lol.
[HD2 General] kholk:
Honestly, I bought the HTC HD2 for these reasons, in order:

1. WM7 upgradeability

2. SnapDragon

3. MultiTouch

4. BIG.....BIG.....EVEN BIGGER screen

5. Good-looking device :)

I'm only hoping that someday Android will run fine on the HTC HD2 (watching the dev on Diam/Raph etc, on these phones the camera can't run..) and that we'll at least live with the Android.

If the Nexus One's screen was as big as the HD2 one, I would have already sold my HD2 and bought the last HTC device in my life.

Anyway, it's sure: the HTC HD2 will be my last HTC device if they won't provide an upgrade to WM7 because if they don't, the HD2 will be obsolete in some months.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Always a post of wisdom :)
[HD2 General] pack21:
Your saw my minde, the sames reason i bought HD2, the wich of Android port and the sure of HD2 will be my last HTC device.....if don't comes WM7 upgrade for HD2....it's a question of principles.

I think my future device will be the Palm Pre 3, nice WebOS, just need more hardware specs.....i hope for that device.
[HD2 General] lakeland:
If the news didn't come direct from windows it is probably just bait; to make windows respond with- "the report is fake and you will get win 7"
[HD2 General] :
All Microsoft products are memory hungry. Why bother. Stick with what you have.
[HD2 General] Grantzxr:
lol

The thing that worried me the most with the windows phone 7 video was the no HTC sence ALOWED they made very clear. the video /phone he was running looked c**p and in real need of a HTC skin to hide its ugly face! was not going to up/side slide away from our lovly looking ui anyway!! flame on.
[HD2 General] micaman:
Your reasons are quite similar to mine except in reverse order... Having the ability to run WM7 would have been a nice added bonus but that ability would have only prolonged the inevitable for me; a phone upgrade.
[HD2 General] young blade:
I'm also dissapointed..

I also bought the HD2 with the same taughts of kholk..

this was a great stunt of HTC..

they where verry fast releasing a phone 1 year ahead.. they knew everybody would think that it would get an upgrade to wp7..

If this is true we've all been BETA testers.. and they just wanted to see how a phone with such specs would do in the market..

I just hope I'm so wrong.. but the odds are against it..
[HD2 General] mynamesteve:
people out there brought the HD2 because the presumed they would get an upgrade in 6-7 months....... you guys are seriouly out of your minds
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Did they drug you so as to impair judgment when you bought your phone? No? Then what were you thinking? Nobody promised the upgrade, it was never advertised. You decided that it would happen just because you dreamed it or whatever. Nobody is to blame but yourself.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I went into PC world to buy a PC earlier, but they couldn't confirm that it will run the next Windows OS. Who the hell do they think I am??? As if I'd buy that rubbish!

Can someone please tell me when Windows 8 will be available (probably in March, according to twitter) and should I sell my 486 and buy a Mac because that won't run it either?
[HD2 General] lude219:
I like how so many people bought and now regret buying the HD2 just because it wasn't advertised how they wanted it (ie, WM7). If the words came from the horse's mouth stating "buy the HD2 because you're eligible for upgrade to WM7 at the end of the year," then i'll be furious with this news. But guess what, it wasn't. It was, and still is, a WM6.5 phone as advertised.

Some of you guys are funny (and quite possibly stupid at the same time).
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Heh i agree fully. I wasn't even aware of wp7 when i got the hd2, and still couldn't give a stuff either way. Only time i'll start worrying about it is when i'm ready for a new phone.
[HD2 General] dr_derqami:
Ok
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yes there is. You go onto the HTC website and look for it, just like anything else that isn't iSpoonfed to us. Try that. maybe it works ha?
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
what...isn't there an app for that??
[HD2 General] lude219:
No, but there's a hotfix for that.
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
I think you still don't get guys. You still want WM7. But what you will get will be Zune Phone 0.9. I have no interest in anything like that, especially not on my HD2.

Only reason I found someone would buy this new OS is that it would probably have good exchange synchronization.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
People, you can make all stupid comments you want...

It is just a fact: if Windows Mobile 7 was an evolution (which would probably not have been as nice as what WM7 will be now, it will be something new) the HD2 would have gotten it. It is just normal that people thought the HD2 will go at least till Windows Mobile 7, since it started with 6.5. Maybe Windows Mobile 7.5/8 would have been speculation, and you would be better of to not buy the HD2 if you are hoping for Windows Mobile 8.

THIS IS JUST A FACT ^ .

Now because MS does something unexpected (yes it is unexpected, READ all the comments from all gadgets site's, nobody though they would start over with the OS), we HD2 owners suddenly get a much shorter 'upgrade-path'. From 6.5 to 6.5.3., instead of till 7.

Now the problem is, MS sees this as a ENTIRE NEW OS. Like no more Windows Mobile, but 'JohnDoe OS'. So in other words, they just stopped with Windows Mobile (a.k.a. goodbye everybody, we are going to try something else), and started the new 'JohnDoe OS' a.k.a. Windows Phone 7.

That's not right, is it? :confused: That's why everybody is so mad.

PS: Please don't start comparing this situation with PC's or Car's.

Btw, the guy that said he wanted Sense on top of 7 Series: HTC is still aloud to make something like a 'Sense Hub' for example. I don't remember where I saw it (I think the Engadget Show), but the MS guy said they do not want OEM's to go over the entire OS, but only extend the OS. So HTC could still add something to the experience, I think.
[HD2 General] iphoneresister:
I haven't read anywhere that you can't change your today screen and install another shell. But now I wonder if you will really be able to change the "Today" screen (like you can on 6.x).

Is it possible that the ban on things like sense is because there is no way to load a new shell in WM7 (except as a running app, for example)?!?
[HD2 General] aethelbert:
Anyone else think that HTC will stick largely to Windows Mobile (sorry, Windows Phone Classic) for a long while after Windows Phone 7 Series is released? They didn't release an Android device with Sense until 2.x was firmly established.
[HD2 General] BigT:
Once upon a time, there was a device called HTC Universal. It was advertised in Germany as state-of-the-art, future-proof device. It was great...and then came WinMo 6. No official announcement, no t-mob support, no upgrade.Nothing. Oh, well, announcements: "Buy the new Ameo! It has WinMo 6!"

Flashed a custom rom to the Universal. Worked perfectly. And thats exactly the way I´ll do it with my HD2.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
I'd be extremely surprised if we see any significant hardware for WPC going into 2012.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It's a different story this time. You can upgrade WM5 to WM6 and WM6.x, but you can NOT upgrade WM6.x to WP7.
[HD2 General] cheetah2k:
I actually think Microsoft has just shot HTC right where it hurts.

IMO, HTC was banking on the fact that many users would buy the HD2 with the premise that it would be upgradable to WM7. There are plenty of networks in the USA and Australia (for example) that have just released (or about to release) the HD2, and this will certainly kill sales figures....

Its a shame really, but I think MS has a bit to answer for if they restrict what OEM's can/cannt do with the WM7 UI, and if Sense UI is not allowed.

Seems Android might be in for a good ride then :D Lets wait and see though. The "never knows" might just surprise us all!