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[HD2 General] Frostlance:
WHAT IS AN OS WITHOUT DEVELOPER SUPPORT!

Is iphone valueable without its apps store?

Read my previous post plz..ur just making a fool out of your self.

OS without developer support would cease to become a Smartphone.

The whole PURPOSE of a smart phone is that u get support and apps to function.

As for me a doctor i Rely heavily on my medical apps to get constant updates etc.

Work and entertainment all need the support of 3rd party apps.

Now i envy my friend with N1, they got the new google goggle, google earth and etc, even iPhone users have those. They were working on these apps for WinMO but has stopped and abandoned it.

We are left out.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
That's an interesting point, but I think it's simply a matter of numbers. Symbian is the most popular smartphone OS by a huge margin. It controls almost 50% of the entire market. So the existing installed base of Symbian users is simply far too big to ignore. By contrast, WinMo's marketshare is at around 8% and falling (it's in 4th place behind Symbian, RIM and iPhone). Android's share is even smaller, but it is an OS that is clearly going places, and apps written for Android now will still run on Android phones a year from now, so developers are quite focused on it. Symbian is too big to ignore right now regardless of where it's going. But Windows Mobile is neither. If WP7 had been backwards compatible then Windows Mobile might now be in a similar position to Android, perceived as an up-and-coming platform worth supporting; as it is, no sensible developer will waste any more resources on it.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
totally agreed.

no backward compatibility of WP7S is the main thing that killed off WinMO.
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Is microsoft responsible for third party apps? They still support windows mobile 6.5, because of thos third party apps. Its better for WP7 that it doesnt have backward compatibily, and yes It will kill the platform at the end. But the end is not yet here.

I can definetly see your point, and Im not living under a rock. But I dont have the problems you have with your device, and I dont think many people have that problem before the end of the year.
[HD2 General] baam2k:
why are people so anoyed about something that maybe happens in the future.

the hd2 is at this moment working fine.

it does what it has to do and there are lots of app for wimo already that works .

all things that can be done with a phone can be done with wimo.

so why bother on an update of w7..

maybe when time is there there wil be an update, and if not there for sure there might be a cooked w7 rom for hd2 .

other thing is w7 in the start could have bugs, not much software yet etcetc . so there are for sure loads of negative sides also in the starting period . remember that w7 will be a totaly new platform for mobiles.

anyways this w7 thing doesnt make the hd2 a worse phone .

its still a powerhouse and it does what it has to do, people are happy with it .

use it like you use it now and there will be no problems .

and in 1 year or later get a w7 phone if you want that

and remember its a phone , and a phone is made so that people can call and be called .

so if you want more buy a laptop.. :)
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Well some people are complaining that all devs are stopping developing for WM6.5. Skype is not downloadable anymore from the skypesite, and it dont get any updates anymore.
[HD2 General] baam2k:
thats a totaly **** action from skype i have to admitt that .

it shows just the lack of respect from skype to its users.

but its not ms and hts's fault , there are still millions of phone users out there.

and even if w7 comes out there still are phones not capable of running w7 .

so they stick with the old wimo .

even new phones anounced still wich arerunning wimo and not capable of running w7 in future.

so there will be workaround for it i guess.

im not using skype myself but i guess even if it is not supported it stil works and keep working.

http://www.asktheadmin.com/SkypeMobile.exe is the link where you can still download it .. :) 3.0 version.

so software will always be downloadable through diferent options i guess..

as longs there are phones made to run old wimo there are posibilities.
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I agree with baam2k.... it'll be a year or 2 til wp7s will have enough apps to make it worthwhile. The HD2 already has pretty much any software that you're gonna want on it. I'm getting the hd2 at the end of the month, whether it gets an upgrade or not. It'll do what I want and keep me happy for atleast a year & a half, then I'll see how wp7s looks compared to android and decide what I want to get then. Yes, it would be nice if there was a wp7s rom that i could test out on my hd2, but its not a dealbreaker. I would probably stick with wm6.5 for everyday use until I get a new phone.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Its not just skype mind you, it will be adobe, skyscape, perhaps SPB,

who would want to invest in something thats gonna die in 6 months or so. NO more updates to the current apps available. WHile android gets all the fun, flash 10.1, goggle, google earth, and god knows how much more, its growing rapidly, and their apps are awesome, We on the otther hand, are NOT moving at all,in fact moving backwards.

We will miss out on all the fun these other platforms have. Were stuck with old apps which even the old HD or diamond 2 can run!

why bother to buy HD2 at all!! Theres no APPS to take advantage of OUR HARDWARE. DO U GET IT???

For those who upgraded from HD to HD2 will get little benefit.

We have multi touch, but for what? NO apps will make use of this.

We have wifi-N and fast 3g, but we cant even have a proper updated skype.

WTF would u need HD2 for??? Might as well stick with cheaper older device which can already run these old apps flawlessly!!

U dont get the point at all
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Whats the point of having a powerful Phone without any powerful/demanding apps to run. Might as well stick with your old device as it suffices to run all the old apps flawlessly.
[HD2 General] baam2k:
so we can stay on for ages .

why not stick with old devices till w8 mobiel comes out ?

comon i mean its a phone its for making phone calls.

hd2 does what it has to do with wimo.

there are lots off apps .

you can call , you can text , browse websites, make photos , navigate , play games , there are apps like windows office , you can make appointments etcetc. what more do you want ?

that is all possible on hd2 with wimo so what can hd3 do better except maybe better hardware ?

and since there are still loads of wimo phones and even new anounced phones running only wimo i guess suport for most apps will still go on for a while atleast.

and what about.:

•Windows Phone 7 will only support application

installation through service based delivery. (i.e Marketplace). Application installation via storage card will not be possible (bad thing imo)

•No Multi-Task support.

•OEM Interfaces will not be allowed to run on the device. Say goodbye to Sense UI / SPB Mobile Shell / Point UI / Infinity, etc, etc and stick with how it is

AND NO FLASH SUPORT

so w7 is also not perfect yet

for now hd2 is still a good working phone and not near to dying .

due to w7 commin some apps maybe wil not longer be suported in time,

but what you use now wont stop working suddenly it keeps running for a long time.

i realy think people should not panic on this crap .

its just a phone there are more things in life even though w7 is still some time away.

hd2 is stil a good buy.

remember every phone has his ups and downs there is no such thing as a perfect phone.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the best post till now . the power of snapdragon is not used by the wm6.5 as it has limit speed ,you will not notice any difference if you used it on 1.5 ghz or even 2 ghz ,and i think it doesnot show the real power in snapdragon . look at wp7 real videos and you will know its real power with the good animations and the noticable speed (the wp7 prototype is powered by the snapdragon in hd2)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are right it is just a phone but an expensive phone with very good unused hardware and short life ,i think it is released in wrong time ,it should have been delayed
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Dont u feel cheated??? Should of stick with touch diamond 2 coz it can run all the currenct apps with ease.

Why need HD2 at all?? as u said its a phone, so why buy an expensive one with superior hardware when all the superior hardware would go to waste coz no one is going to develope apps that the HD2 are capable of running. Whats the whole purpose of HD2???

We have the most powerful device on the planet and no one is taking advantage of the hardware!! and more importantly, developers are even abandoning it. its not even half a year yet!

I really2 do feel cheated.

Ur wrong about everything,adobe is making flash for WP7S. Who said no flash support. They abandoned WinMO to continue develop for WP7S

Your an idiot. If i want to have all the basics of a phone, i would of bought a normal cheap phone. People who bought the HD2 wanted to take advantage of the hardware. We were promised Flash 10.1 , multitouch apps and many more at first..then..they left us.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
I can do this perfectly with my old touch diamond 2, so, whats the point in having HD2? Tell me. Whats the reason to get HD2 now. The hardware specs all go to waste.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
and now diamond 2 got the leo sense 2.5 as an official upgrade from htc so it is the best choice now,good hardware (for wm6.5) low price ,and you finally know that it will not get wp7 so no more asking about it
[HD2 General] baam2k:
so you say i am an idiot ?

hmm the info bout the flash thing i pasted from a website.

and yes i know an diamond can that, even my old touch can handle that crap.

besides that the hd2 came for free with a new contract so first of all im not cheated.

second i just want to say that people should not making such a panic about something that is not even there .

you just say that hd2 is a crap phone becuase there is not a sign of w7 upgrade for it .

thats utter crap maybe there will come an update cause the phone is perfect for it .

maybe there come coocked roms for it.

and if not no problem, the phone does what it has to do.

i dont care about bling i care more about if its working and that is what it does. with or without w7

it works now and it still works in a few years

besides that people are always cheated if you buy a high end phone now, its crap in the future, if you buy a w7 phone in a year its also crap after a year bacause there are better ones etcetc we can go on forever but it keeps repeating only you dotn get that apearently.

for your info bout flash

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/14/adobe-confirms-no-flash-in-windows-mobile-7/

confirmed by adobe, so before calling people idiots read up on info..
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
old news ,adobe now said that it stops developing flash for wm6.5 as it will develope[ now for wp7 series .(please update your sources )
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
No Flash for Windows Mobile 6.5, says Adobe

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/31788/no-flash-for-winmo-6-5

sorry for calling u idiot early on..no one can tell you how pissed i am right now with MS & HTC.

Ive felt very cheated in some sort of way
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
You should feel cheated. And whoever said 'its only a phone you only need it to call', why are you even posting on this site?!
[HD2 General] Lynehammike:
I don't think anyone is saying it is a "crap phone" - we all agree it has the most awsome hardware available on the market. We are simply saying that there is no software available now, and none emerging, which takes advantage of the phones capabilites.

Yes the phone will work now and it will work for the next few years - but there will be no innovation and cutting edge games or programs released for it. I want to be able to buy good games and programs for my phone!

Technology does keep moving - but there isn't a phone announced which makes me regret the hardware choice I made with the HD2. This phone should have a two or more year life span before it needs updating. But the software won't last this life.

It is MS dual operating strategy, the lack of backwards compatability and the lack of an upgrade strategy which has turned the HD2 from a "must have super device" to a "will age really quickly with a short life device"
[HD2 General] Eienkei:
Come on guys! It's confirmed by Microsoft, doesn't it ring any bells? I remember when they said Halo would only work on Windows Vista & there will be no XP support since Win XP did not have required strength but just a couple of hours after the release, with a hacker made patch the game ran even smoother on Win XP!

Microsoft is full of crap! If Win Phone 7 deserves the attention, it will come to HD2 no matter how, official or unofficial!
[HD2 General] leewenxu:
I felt it too... and I've only gotten my HD2 a month ago...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
+1 ..........................
[HD2 General] donwhann:
im now actually starting to wonder if i did the right thing by getting rid of my satio after having it for a week for my hd2, totally gutted were missing out on flash support. iv only had my phone 2 months and its starting to feel old already....... :~(
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Where are you expecting to get the drivers from?
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=14059

SYmbian also dying like winmo lol..

now skype stop supporting symbian also
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
but they still got flash support
[HD2 General] chaoscentral:
I don't get it... They posted this video only 2 weeks ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmgeA8YVC2U

clearly shows Flash 10.1 on the HD2, and that's an official Adobe video
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
but after the announcement of wp7 series the flash for 6.5 was cancelled
[HD2 General] ap3604:
If the Hd2 is a "dead end" like you talked about them that's a dead-end I want to be apart of! ;)

Happily sold my Nexus One with Froyo in order to get the Hd2 for cheap off of Craigslist...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] nickleby:
Hi!

I'm a rom developer and i've managed to cook a rom for my Benq E72 using the build 23017, but now i want to use the build 23090.

I'm trying to extract the "XIP" of an Standard Emulator Image from MS SDK 6.5.3 using this command:

nbsplit -emu os.nb

os.nb.payload

RomMaster -w 5 os.nb.payload -x -o xip.bin >NUL

But i always get an error....

[Info] It is a common ROM.

[Error] Load nb00 failed.

Also i have a rom for this device that use the build 23090, but i cannot extract the xip either :(

Hope someone could help me! Or tell me where i can get the XIP and SYS 23090 for Smartphone!

Thanks!!! ;)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] AndrewSh:
Why do you want to use an ancient build?

It's from November 2009

The new builds are available here... But it's your choice anyway.

The closest think I have is 23092. If that will make you happy - get it

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3324710/23092_XIP.BIN_MSXIPKernel_SYS_DPI_96_192_0409_0419.7z. Only Eng and Ru - no Spanish
[Windows Mobile Software Development] nickleby:
Thanks!

I want to use that build because is the only one i know that works well on my device.... :D

Thanks for the file, i'll try it!

I can mix that XIP 23092 and SYS 23090 right? i have the spanish resources from the emulator rom :D:D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Alexx~:
samWMEmuKitchen v0.2b - ROM Kitchen for Windows Mobile Emulator
[Windows Mobile Software Development] AndrewSh:
Sure you can. And it's not a mix - xips in 23089-23094 were the same modules with different dsm. So the only difference will be number of the build - it will look like CE.OS 5.2. 23092 (Build 23090.x.x.x)

Alexx~, dude :), I think nick has problems with extracting the stuff from emulator.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] nickleby:
Ok! Thanks for all your help!! ;) ;) ;)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] nickleby:
Oh, just to be sure....:D

All the things posted here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=544445 works on Smartphones:confused:
[Windows Mobile Software Development] AndrewSh:
You have to check it by yourself. Normally everything should work, why not. All the issues described in the topic are for 20% device-dependent and for 80% user-dependent :)

For me and of course for Alexx~ (he knows much more than me about the things) - every build works :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Alexx~:
AndrewSh, i realized what the problem is. In samWMEmuKitchen have the opportunity to extract dump, after the dump will be created os.nb, from which they can then extract xip.bin the usual way.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Alexx~:
It is still easier, nbImageTool extracts xip.bin directly from the emu image.bin
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Spiaatie:
NO! Those builds does not work on Smartphone devices.

BenQ E72 does have WM Standard.

Those resources are for touchscreen devices (WM Professional).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] nickleby:
How??

nbimagetool SP_ESP_GSM_QVGA_VR.bin

Files is not an NBH!

Checking for .nb

Error reading MBR

:confused::confused:

Forget it! xD i've solved the problem....

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Nokser:
run the program as an administrator
[Windows Mobile Software Development] brm66:
I am writing in this way directly, since I have not received help in the forum, and that maybe I have not been very specific in my request to place it in the forum.

I own a Smartphone, brand MWG Zinc 2 Rom and all I own are in English.

Just explained on the website of the creators of the ROM for my device, the entire procedure for Cook ROM.The page es PDAGismo.com

My question is very different from the way this process is done for different devices because they do not know much about it.

The page is in Thailand but you can translate, I do not understand is the whole process of the preparation of the ROM.

Someone could explain all this ?

It is so hard to accomplish this task by a person with basic computer knowledge and without any programming domain?

Help me, please.

Thanks
[Liquid S100 Android Development] boglll:
Hi, I use a non-official car charger and after half an our I got The battery icon on the screen becoming red with an esclamation mark on it. bottom part of the liquid gets quite hot (not much but noticeably). I switched to my htc car charger and I had a little improvement (1 hr before red icon). Now it happens also with the official wall-plug charger ( but a couple of hrs after). I noticed the wall-plug puts out 5v dc. On the back of the phone, after removing battery, I can read 5v maximum but on the back of the battery itself it's written max 4,225v.

sound strange! could be the cause? or maybe my rom angio acr 1,8 is?

couldn't find similar problem around...
[Liquid S100 Android Development] ox:
same to me using tomtom charger... :(
[Liquid S100 Android Development] Mautana:
Using setcpu?

I think it get overheated when you use the phone and charge it at the same time. Snapgdragon gets hot! :)
[Liquid S100 Android Development] boglll:
well, in the last 2 home charges no over heating...:D

I found out htc carcharger put out 5V 2A, while home charger provides 5V 1A, that's should be the overheating. now the question is: where to find a proper carcharger? ;)
[Liquid S100 Android Development] boglll:
update

I found a micro carcharger from hamlet-exagerate pushing out 1,2A, testing in the next days...You need the USB cable to make ot work
[Liquid S100 Android Development] mactron:
It says Input: 1A on the inside of the liquid next to the IMEI. So maybe you should stick with a 1A =< Charger, because you may void your warranty or(and) destroy you battery or the liquid!
[Liquid S100 Android Development] boglll:
ca't find a suitable one! hope 0,2A won't make the disaster...
[Liquid S100 Android Development] boglll:
Ok, now using EviL 1.8.1 no more overheating...
[Nexus One General] wonderbread57:
This has been an issue I haven't seen addressed directly yet. I'm hoping some savvy users here can answer it once and for all.

This TI wiki article states the following:

This XDA post seems to indicate that N1 does not support 512MB but instead only about 200MB is seen but that it can be fixed with a firmware update, maybe patched with what was proposed in that wiki article.

Additionally, a look through the new DROID Eris 2.1 ROM shows a bunch of new phone codenames and also the supported FLASH and RAM combinations, none of which has SDRAM greater than 256MB, indicating to me that they know they can't do anything with more.

So, can no Android phone currently make use of more than 256MB of SDRAM?
[Nexus One General] kam187:
Do a search next time!

The .29 kernel only supports ma 256mb RAM

the .32 kernel supports the full 512mb RAM.

You can install a custom ROM like cyanogen which has .32 or .33 kernel to get the extra memory.
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
Is the extra ram noticeably faster? I guess its almost twice the ram it currently uses but I don't see posts about it being a lot faster. And since the fix is widley available I can only hope google hasn't implemented it because maybe its not that impressive of an improvement...
[Nexus One General] psylink:
definitely faster and i don't know why you haven't seen people commenting on it being faster because i've seen various comments about it being faster in different posts here, youtube, and cyanogen's site amongst other android sites/communities
[Nexus One General] DMaverick50:
Thanks. I'm not rooting so I haven't spent time in dev forum just general forum and a few standard (not android-specific) tech websites but no other forums. I intended to just wait for whatever google wants to share with me...I had only seen one post about the mem hack and the poster said there wasn't much difference. Which seemed odd but I believed it since, like I said, I figured if the kernels out surely google has this under control and would want me to have it if its a big difference. Oh well ill be patient, as a stock user I've got a lot to look forward to with this hot rod!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jonbaker76:
How do i get it into landscape mode?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] addiamond:
Try this : copy it and add it to your igo8 folder as sys. file ( i only change the opslagkaart into sd card ) i don`t no if that is right for you

[folders]

app="sd card/iGo8"

[interface]

maxzoom2d=6000000

show_exit=1

popup_info=1

poi_show_all_btn=1

[rawdisplay]

highres=0

screen_x=800

screen_y=480

[debug]

show_oneway_3d=1

show_oneway=1

show_gps_pos=1

skip_eula=1

show_pedestrian=1

poi_labels=1

show_arrows_on_route=1

tts_min_ready_wav=1

tts_getaway_time=200

tts_expected_engine_delay=1400

reserve_memory=2097152

sound_q_length="200"

no_file_cache="0"

cache="1024"

enable_roadshadow=1

[map]

popup_info=1

show_labels=1

3d_max_tiltlevel=9000

[msnd]

msnd.start=0

[tts]

tts_buffer=131072

tts_logics=3

priority="HIGH"

always_say_road_names=1

announce_street_name=1

announce_exit_directions=1

skip_exit_numbers=0

[sound]

queue_length=200
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] chri55tof:
Hi mate, try this topic Click - section B. of first post.

BTW there is only 11 pages, but you can find very good info
[Networking] PioL:
Hello,

I was wondering if it is possible to bridge the wlan and usb on a HTC Tytn II (Kaiser) WM 6.1 Pro

Pls see the attached image for the layout of the network.

I would like for PC 1 to obtain it's ip directly from the router's dhcp.

I googled this and searched the forum but had no luck. Any help would be really apreciated. Thanks

PS. I am using ICS Control v0.21 to share the wlan connection on the Tytn II
[Networking] noONExda:
I use "WMWifiRouter" for such purposes.

I haven't used that exact setup yet, the ones i've used are the 3 top ones in the picture, but it should work with your setup as well =)