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[Off-topic] uansari1:
Your point is well-taken, and I'd agree if there were no alternative. However, I think the OP needs to call AT&T and tell them to f off, then call T-mobile and ask for a deal.
[Off-topic] larsdennert:
$15 more would be $.50 per day... :D
[Off-topic] d.cortez:
that's my plan as well... unfortunately for me, T-Mo's 3G performance in my area (North Dallas) has been very inconsistent. during the last 2 weeks, i've been experiencing the vasolating E->3G->E->G->3G->No Connection syndrome. i can drive 3 miles from home and it gets a little better, but it's still a concern. i'ved use both the original and newest Nexus One radios and the experience (for me) has been the same. (i honestly don't know if it's the phone because i don't have another 3G T-Mo device to compare against). the best throughput i've recorded is .90 Mbps down/.42 Mbps up; on average i'm getting .52 Mbps down. anyway, the better news is that T-Mo's $80 unlimited even more+ plan (e.g., voice, text and web) is $40 cheaper than at&t's comparable plan - unlimited calls ($70) + unlimited text & Web ($50). what to do, what to do.... i digress, lol
[Off-topic] JHaste:
paying for 3g speeds and only getting 2g speeds is a crime... tmobile will welcome you with open arms my fellow nexus user :)

as for all the haters, you can talk all kinds of smack about shelling money out up until the point that it actually starts coming out of your pocket then you join in on throwing the **** fit... hypocrites... 15 bux a month adds up...
[Off-topic] Old MuckenMire:
Then don't acquire services you cannot afford.

It's AT&T's network and we live in the land of capitalism. Don't want to pay? Then don't use their network. 30 bucks a month for unlimited data is cheap, EDGE or 3G.
[Off-topic] theomajigga:
Saying that someone is non-deserving of a phone because they can't/choose not to afford a shotty data plan.

Please show me which part is constructive, or hell even not demeaning, and I'll retract my statement.

And sensitive? not here, just wanted you to realize that your post (and subsequently my two) are 100% irrelevant to the OP and not intended to help. If anything they are derogatory towards the OP, and unnecessary.

ktybai

EDIT:

You sir are a troll see here. And after this

you have proved my point.

<3 from me either way.
[Off-topic] indiearmy:
Yea, with the same $30 unlimited data charge. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] rossiscatch:
It's not a matter of being able to afford anything... It's about the principle. After your inability to understand that twice, I am not really sure it will sink in this time either.

Sorry that's a bit trollish... :o

OP, simple fact of the matter is speak with your dollars, and by that I mean give them to someone else. AKA, try t-mobile.
[Off-topic] j23a45m:
yeah but you will have Hspa/3g with Tmobile and not just edge with AT&T
[Off-topic] ericc191:
I have AT&T, but it's through Hawk Electronics. They don't bug me at all about data plans and I've been using smart phones ever since the Cingular 8125 was released. If for some reason they decide to, I'll gladly ditch AT&T for another provider.
[Off-topic] macdady678:
What if you're already on a contract with AT&T and they want to bump you up $15 more on your existing data plan? Is it justified for them to do that? Because if I want to say "screw you, I'm not paying for that", now you have to pay the ETF to get out of contract and go somewhere else!?

please correct me if I'm wrong, cause I'm on AT&T!
[Off-topic] Mi|enko:
If it were me, I'd probably go to the BBB. I don't exactly understand how it's legal for them to force you to have a data plan, just because you have a smart phone. That'd be like the cable company forcing you to have a cable TV subscription because you have cable modem service through them, but also own a TV. :-\
[Off-topic] indiearmy:
If you want to count T-Mobile's network as 3G. I live in the Seattle area, hell, my house is less than five minutes from T-Mo headquarters and the 3G is spotty as hell. Not to mention as slow as my 1x connection I was getting with Sprint.
[Off-topic] courtnek:
Hey all,

I too got the new data plan "conveniently" added, and I was able to go online and modify my account (without human interaction) to my old data plan. Shortly after, I got another text complaining that I SHOULD have a smartphone plan, but not another after it saying it was changed. I got back on and double checked, and MY change had stuck.

Just some advice :-)

Does anyone see a flaw in this?
[Off-topic] efenili:
Yup Yup, I did the same thing :) See how long it sticks....I am ok with paying $30 for unlimited on a 3G phone, not for a phone without 3G
[Off-topic] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
Moved to Off-Topic. :)
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
I use a smart-phone as an organizer, not a web browser or a face book device.

What you said was pretty mean and insulting.

A person's needs are different.
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
First of all, the client probably is doing whatever he can to stop the unused service. And doing this via account settings or phone service is better than the forums. All you have to do is request the removal of the plan. That's all. So going to carrier forums is pointless.

Second, the Google Nexus 1 currently does not support AT&T's 3G Network, what in the world do you not understand by this fact? Are you telling me that if someone bought a Nokia 2610 (U.S. Version), that he should also pay for 3G just because ATT says so? It's not only 3G internet that a smart-phone is designed for.

*It would be like ATT forcing you to pay a messaging plan for a after you signed a contract just for phone calls. So if ATT learns that your phone has a qwerty keyboard layout, they will start charging you a messaging plan? Ahem, then AT&T should also charge them a plan for the calendar function, or the contacts function, or the notes function, or the tasks function, all of which have input fields that can be used with a qwerty keyboard. Therefore, it's not only messaging that you use a qwerty keyboard.

Third, this is not about pricing, it's about the logic that A) the phone is not an ATT 3G Phone, and B) that person did not sign a contract stating that the Carrier is allowed to charge a 3G data plan for NON-SUPPORTED-PHONES. C) People like the OP, with respect to argument (B), do not need or want 3G service because they need or want features that do not require 3G.

Fourth, be a brother and be nice to people who can't afford everything, I am not sure if you are one of them, but from other comments I have read in the thread, people (who act like you) seem to have a problem against people who are on a limited or more careful budget.

Fifth, it's obvious that the OP and other people with this problem are not only trying to cancel the 3G, but they are also trying to find a way to hide the phone model from the carrier, and this can not be done via ATT or T-Mobile support, so the OP posting a topic at XDA is asking for help, not for his feelings to be hurt.

PLEASE HAVE A LITTLE APPRECIATION FOR WHAT YOU HAVE, AND PITY THESE PEOPLE, NOT INSULT THEM. I MEAN DAMN, PITYING IS ALREADY TOO MUCH OF AN INSULT.

Listen buddy MuckenMire, if ATT charged 30 dollars a month for a Mobile TV Subscription on your phone (which is not part of data plan), just because they decided that your phone supported it, than you would be aggravated yourself!

The moral is: if you have nothing useful to say, then leave these people alone
[Off-topic] Old MuckenMire:
I guess there ARE a lot of overly sensitive people here:D

Look, there are different kinds of people in this world and one of them is those that are "careful" with money. 30 bucks is a DOLLAR a day for data. Doesn't matter what speed, EDGE or 3G, it's CHEAP.

People that are careful(cheap) with money, I often find are sensitive about it.

This thread a case in point.

FWIW, I pay 30 bucks a month to AT&T for data and I have an EDGE Nexus. I didn't get a text message because I didn't try and run a phone on their network with a data plan they don't accept as valid. It's their network. If you don't like it, leave, like others have suggested.

For example, plenty of HONEST folks run EDGE Blackberries on AT&T and PAY FOR THE 30 DOLLAR AT&T BLACKBERRY UNLIMITED DATA PLAN. That is the requirement. BUT, I suppose you guys think your special?
[Off-topic] britoso:
Figured as much. You probably pay $100+ for tv+internet at home too.
[Off-topic] britoso:
thanks courtnek
[Off-topic] rossiscatch:
$30 for EDGE data IS a rip off. I don't really understand how you can justify requiring someone to pay the same price for 1/5th (conservative, giving the benefit of the doubt to edge) the available bandwidth It's like telling someone that they have to pay DSL prices for Dial-up speeds (or bumping you up to the fastest most expensive option) because their computer is too powerful (you'd likely ***** and complain). The difference here is that the person could simply upgrade to DSL and take advantage of the increased bandwidth they are paying for. In the case of cellphones that is simply not possible, so in effect, they are paying for DSL speeds but are only receiving and using dial-up bandwidth.

Whether or not that is the cell phone company's policy or not does not make it right. You're a fool if you can not understand that. Do a web search, you will find hundreds of results about people outlining the rip off that mobile data truly is. We still decide to pay it because we are accustomed to wasting money on frivolous things. Myself included. I don't get why you constantly poke at people for being careful with their money by calling them cheap. Financially responsible is far different than being cheap. Again, you've heard this before, so I don't know why I waste my time...
[Off-topic] rossiscatch:
This was just to spite me; I know it! :D:p

You can't honestly tell me this was the only off topic thread in that sub-forum..:rolleyes:

Just kidding with you, don't ban me :D
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
So if they charge you an extra 30 dollars for a TV Subscription Service you will be obliged to pay for it and you will be okay with it just because they decided that your phone is a multimedia phone: YES or NO?

If you can accept this, than does that mean you will be okay if they decided to charge you even more services that your phone is based upon?

For example: Now, not only do you pay 3G, but you pay for TV channels (not fully accessible with 3G or WLAN), also pay for caller blocking, also pay for unlimited international calling?

Think about your rights. These services in the mobile phone industry is based on usage, not on compromise of contract.

Here's a question MuckenMire do you use your data plan? Yes? Then of course you are partial to the fee. Others just don't use data plan at all, heck I don't even use Wireless LAN. So should they be partial to this fee? No! Please, for the sake of logic, discuss this.
[Off-topic] Old MuckenMire:
Okay, I'm willing to buy that. BUT, there are people in this thread complaining about USING EDGE and saying it is a ripoff at 30 bucks a month. I can sympathize with those that simply need a sim and won't use the network. I do not sympathize with those that want to use EDGE and ***** that 30 bucks is too much money.

Other people have to pay it. I have friends just like all of you do. Some are fine with paying, others are cheap and act like coupon cutting women. My college room mate was like this big time and his sense of entitlement to the price he wanted to pay, rather than the price they asked, drove me nuts..

What I'm trying to say is that some people are just cheap and come to message boards to complain about carrier pricing because paying ANYTHING for data bothers them. I mean damn, if you think it's too much money, leave. They built the network, spent the money on infrastructure, and now god forbid would like to make a profit.

I've got issues with AT&T but the damn dollar a day for data is not one of them
[Off-topic] rossiscatch:
Your inability to grasp the concept astounds me. I'm done trying.
[Off-topic] apreichner:
I say switch to t-mobile. Their, no-contract, Even More Plus plans are cheaper than every other company, and you can bundle in Internet too. 59.99 for 500 Minutes Unlimited Data and Text. 69.99 for 1000 (Data and Text included), 79.99 for Unlimited (Data and Text included). My brother pays Verizon 79.99 and only gets like 400 minutes with a 5gb soft cap, and no unlimited texting. T-Mobile has no soft cap. And since you don't need a phone and they are no-contract plans, you can stay off contract.

If T-Mobile 3G is spotty in your area... well, then it'll be the same as AT&T wont it because they only get EDGE anywhere you go with the N1.
[Off-topic] Old MuckenMire:
promises, promises
[Off-topic] galaxys:
Go for T-Mobile...I did a few years ago and have no regrets! Especially the price, 3G, & customer service...
[Off-topic] hello00:
Why would you want to pay $30 to have an unlimited data plan when you can find wifi almost everywhere. Totally useless for me.
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
Wrong, I oppose the use of 3G simply because I don't use internet on a phone alot (but when web browsing gets perfect I cant wait). But the point is just because Wireless Lan networks are found everywhere, it doesn't mean it is easily accessible.

The wireless at Starbucks costs a membership fee. The wireless at my university is inconvenient, I always have to log in with a secondary router-network password, and this password does not automatically save in the system. Wireless is accessible everywhere, and guess what? My friend pays for 3G and his torrents on the Fuze download at 300-400 kbps which is pretty good considering that torrents on a phone is just as fast as having a wireless lan laptop downloading torrents which goes from 300-800 kbps.
[Off-topic] pegun:
I agree with everyone stating the wifi factor. I'm selling my Fuze for exactly this reason. I hate Wifi at work, home and half the time while I'm in coffee shops and what not, so why would I ever pay $30 to AT&T to not use their data network. Hopefully going to T-MO in December when this contract runs out. They seem to be the most down to earth carrier.
[Off-topic] britoso:
Thats quite show for broadband. Maybe you are mixing up kbps and KBps. My torrents download at over 400KB/s ( i.e. > 4200kb/s)

I found out I have one phone of a 2 year contract that ends in March :(

Two years is a long time.
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
Well, I haven't tried downloading torrents myself, but I am guessing it is kilobytes not kilobits. Are you kidding me? Kilobits at 300 is too slow for 3G.

My friend told me about it. Here is what I can quote from a chat log:

FRIEND	dood u should try windows mobile torrents

FRIEND	its ****ing awesome

ME	what the ****

ME	thats stupid

FRIEND	yea

FRIEND	no its noy

FRIEND	not

ME	wow stop changing your mind, is either yes or no

ME	IDIOT

FRIEND	my ****ing 3g is downloading at 335

ME	335

ME	holy ****

FRIEND	yea

ME	****ing crazy

*Ignore me calling him an idiot, I was just teasing him, and it is unrelated to the actual discussion.

*Maybe I can ask my friend for a screen shot at his best speeds.

*Also, I just figured you were talking about laptop speeds. Well, the other day I was downloading something from Demonoid and was surprised to see myself downloading at 1.2 Megabytes per second. And I think it took under 25 minutes to download the file sized 700,000 KB.
[Off-topic] Codeblew:
He didn't say he couldn't afford it. I can afford a lot of crap that I don't waste my money on. But hey, I will be retired before 50 because I have fiscal responsablity, unlike the government and most Americans.
[Off-topic] leemoss84:
30 bucks a month would be cheap if it was actually unlimited and 3g. but its not unlimited and i dont have 3g. but all the companies seem to be doin this now-a-days. i just dont want verizon at all. they may have good service but they like to lock down there devices. never had a verizon winmo phone tho so i cant really speak to much on that.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus General] farukb:
people i need a hint

does nike support wifi and is there a way to enable it

thanks

i was googling and according to specs there is no wifi

but i read that the chipset supports wifi and wondered if devs enabled it

thanks in advance
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus General] itprotj:
I have gone through other topics referring to wifi on the Nike.

What people have come up with is that the Nike has a wifi antenna but HTC disabled it for telecommunication providers to bundle you onto data plans, As well as that if the Nike did have Wifi actually enabled, people would prefer it over a normal Touch, thus people buying the Nike instead of the Touch. Keeping in mind it is ridiculous that the Nike having a Wifi antenna inside it if HTC disables it meaning we cannot use it either way (Developers on this forum have attempted to get it working but no luck as of yet.)

Hope this helps ya!
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus General] GatuRatz:
Hi,

I guess that not only the antenna is missing but the power amplifier and the receive amplifier for WIFI + frontend filter.

Someone has a motherboard of the phone?

I work in cellphone hardware issues. If someone scans the board with minimum of 600 dpi (1200 dpi wold be even better) from both sides, then I can have a look at this and tell whether there is some WIFI hardware on it.

Br,

GatuRatz
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ravivee:
:confused:

Hello all,

Can you please help me? I have been messing around with my TP2 by adding & removing Max Manila 2.6, various tweaking s/w, games and also editting the registry using CERegedit.

It is absolutely fine apart from 1 major problem - when I use the HTC Sense plugin rather than the Windows default, all the tabs are fine.

The only problem is with the "Programs Tab" - the symptoms are:

1) very blurred icons, 2) inability to add/remove/change programs, 3) HTC Sense freezes and cannot come out of the Programs Tab if I try adding/removing programs (so I have to soft-reset it), 4) when the soft icons on the tab work - it is very slow in starting the program and goes via the Start Menu (flicks between screens)

I have the original HTC branded TP2 with no operator customisations. It has the HTC official WM6.5 ROM with Manila 2.1.

Any expert advise/suggestions on how to just fix this issue will be really helpful - Registry settings, replace corrupt files/shortcuts, etc. Anything short of a hard reset/factory settings restore!

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] woaloo:
Did you backup your settings before tweaking manila. There is such an option in TTMax.

Take a look in the TTMax directory, there is a backup folder.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanRo80:
Does it have a WIFI chip that is disabled by the carriers? Are there ROM's that enable the WIFI if it does?
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] mrkite38:
No.

ten chars.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] egzthunder1:
Please do not open new threads to ask questions in the forum. If you have to ask something, please use the Q&A thread. Opening new threads should only be used to contribute to the site (roms, kitchens, apps, tips, skins, etc).

Since your question has already been answered, I will not transfer it to the Q&A section as I do with the other threads.

The device does not come with a Wifi adapter (one of the biggest downfalls of this device IMHO).
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanRo80:
wgk

Sorry,I didn't mean to cause any irritation. I will refer to the Q&A section first thing next time around.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] egzthunder1:
what is wgk?

No irritation, I am just trying to organize this place a bit as there are many threads with the same questions asked over and over.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanRo80:
HAH! I don't know what "wgk" is. I was writing this from Opera on my Jade and didn't see that I entered that. Yeah, so wgk punk. = ) Feel free making up whatever "wgk" means. Maybe it is a Chinese knock-off brand.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] hammergunner:
the only way to get Wifi

the only way to get wifi on the touch is the Spectec SDW-823 B/G wifi Mirco-SD card about 98 bucks on ebay

from the price of this and the fact you lose your SD flash card, your better off just getting a newer PDA with wifi already in it.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanRo80:
Yeah, I pretty much agree. My brother in-law just really likes the smaller, slimmer design that HTC hasn't reproduced in another cdma.
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] hexto:
And its 7mm longer than a micro sd card so you can't close the side door:(

I'd have one if it weren't so long. A new one is supposed to come out soon that its only 2 or 3 mm longer so it may be short enough to close my side door but I'll probably have my Nexus One from VZW by then:)
[Touch CDMA Windows Mobile ROM Development] egzthunder1:
You still get rid of your storage though...
[G4] ophiel118:
Hello!

I didn't find any solution in internets, so here I come:

About a week ago I've upgraded my Wizard from WM5 to WM6. It was a great idea, everything works fine & fast, but one problem appeared.

Some new bluetooth features appeared in WM6, among them some kind of virtual SD card, named "bluetooth". It has 0 MB and when I go there in explorer, phone starts searching for bluetooth devices.

images46 .fotosik .pl/257/b9c1ee898c55a5f1 .jpg

(please delete spaces before dots, as new user I can't insert links and images lol)

At first, there weren't any problems with that, but yesterday my phone has shut down (low battery), I've recharged it, turned on and then strange thing happened:

images48 .fotosik .pl/258/82c328305e924b67 .jpg

(please delete spaces before dots, as new user I can't insert links and images lol)

so it's like "cards" has changed their places. PDAstatus shows this strange "bluetooth" as my main SD card, just as camera and some other programs...

basic steps like turning bluetooth on/off doesn't work, just as soft reset and reinserting sd card.

Probably I need to change something in registry, but what and where?

any help would be appreciated.

regards

edit:

turning off bluetooth explorer worked, but i liked that feature. i would like to keep both "cards", with SD as "default", just as it was at the beginning.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] axxo69:
I would be thankful that enybody could where can i find how to get bek 6.1 win mobile, instald olinex 1.56 and a new rom, i wont to know haw to get back win 6.1 and instal a new rom for win 6.1
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ultimatepichu:
Install a rom with WiMo 6.1 only. Olinex supports all currently known windows mobile versions.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bodisson:
Got PM axxo69
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
As per ultimatepichu post. If you already have HSPL 1.56 on your device, just flash a wm6.1 rom :p

Thread closed
[Touch Pro CDMA] imsohawker:
i'm wondering if there are any or if it's possible to skin the default verizons stock roms touchflo3d? it's TouchFLO 3D 1.2.37634.0_1813.6 lol

this would be greatly appreciated, and if anyone could point me in the direction of where i would begin to make my own that would also be appreciated. i'm a quick learner and i believe that if i could figure this out i could make some seriously fast and elegant verizon touch pro roms
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] timbuk88:
Does anyone else have this problem?

My laptop will stay connected for a maybe a minute at a time, sometimes just a few seconds and I have to reconnect. Under Wireless Network Connection, the network is listed as "On Demand", if that helps.

I've tried every version of "Wireless Tether for Root Users" I can find and they all have the same problem. Is there anyway to stay connected?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Kcarpenter:
Is it possible that your computer won't let you connect to an Ad-hoc connection? Maybe as soon as it realizes what it's connecting to it jumps off?