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[HD2 General] Archer:
Very Zuney - it looks nice. I'm not too fussed about the UI though as the option to use others is always there. I'm more concerned about the platform.
[HD2 General] jackxlj:
yup looks like no winmo7 for hd2
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
was he just double tap zooming a web page and NOT getting any reflow?
[HD2 General] jackxlj:
yea but ms had a tech idea last year on how to do that,im looking for it now,but off hand i think they are loading the page at multiple levels all at once so its more natural
[HD2 General] jackxlj:
wow

it looks like the new win7 series is even more connected then webos
[HD2 General] Toss3:
Am I the only one who thinks that microsoft took a wrong turn with WP 7? It's just an iPhone wannabe now instead of a versatile platform like WM 6.5 was. Seriously disappointed.
[HD2 General] appelflap:
YEP :) And he enabled it with BSB Tweaks 1.7, i'm told.
[HD2 General] jackxlj:
i dont know,they still havent said if its going to be as closed as the rumors say. but the ui looks nothing like iphone,this is somthing that is much closer to webos then to iphoneos
[HD2 General] firaX:
The HD2 will def not get a WM7 upgrade. This should be clear by now. :/
[HD2 General] lakeland:
I hope to god he is going to talk about making phone calls and text messages.............
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
erm, , why? Not seen anything yet to say it won't. (Well, it might not get an OFFICIAL update to winmo 7....but who cares whether its official or not,,,,hehe)
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Yeah, that's a pretty random jump assuming no WM7 upgrade for us.
[HD2 General] mgla:
Unfortunately that's where things appear to be going. The HD2 only has 2 of the 3 buttons that will be required. Also I don't know if it supports 4 point multitouch. The only hope is that maybe the Home button could be mapped to function as the required search button, but who knows?
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Holiday 2010 official release, so hopefully we'll have it Q2 ;)
[HD2 General] derScheich:
I just saw the keynote and I think it's great. Very smooth and a great user experience. I too like the design very much. But I missed mentions about app-integration and development.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
So a video of a HD2 with a picture loaded up of WinMo7 would make you happy? :rolleyes: Sorry just couldn't resist to say that xD
[HD2 General] shu8i:
how about a video of the hd2 playing around with wp7s on it? :P
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
no a video with the os running on hd2
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
Hah..but no backward compatibility. This sux big time man.

Whatever it is I aint rushing to get WinMO7 or Phone 7 Series
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Article posted 30 minutes ago:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359245,00.asp
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
The OS doesn't know what image is on the buttons, so long as there are three buttons available they can be mapped.

Multitouch is a software issue not hardware.

Fear not, Mr C. Licken, the sky is not yet falling in. :-)
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Sounds like no 'Sense' UI up front according to that QA.
[HD2 General] jkolner:
No Shell

Just read the it's not possible to place a Shell over WinMo7 like Sense or SPB Mobile, so you ar "stuck" with it!
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
IDK, it looks very promising to me from what I've seen. Definitely nothing like iPhone. I hope the UI is actually animated like the one in the video--really clean and fluid. It integrates services at the OS level. Dedicated search button--smart. Facebook and Live integration--smart. Zune and XBox integration--smart. This may be the first platform to compete realistically with iPhone and it's services.

I think the best move is that MS didn't go out of their way of making it compatible with older WM. I think that would have dragged them to hell. They needed a fresh start. If they could have made the old WM compete with the newer OS'es, MS would have done it ages ago.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Definitely, I cringe every time I have to load up a classic app on the HD2!
[HD2 General] Spike15:
Is it just me or was multi-tasking not touched on at all?
[HD2 General] chris5932:
Yes, I am quite sure that the is gona be an update for the hd2!

I dont understand what most of the ppl here mean with 2 buttons can't you count? ;) I see 5 buttons...

There is jsut the thing with the multitouch I am not sure about.. if the hardware supports 4 inputs at once!

Cheers
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
I agree, so long as that demo was 'real', and the platform is as open and cross integrated as it seemed, then should be good.

Oh, and lol @ 'we have no OBJECTION to flash support', , , hehe in your face jobs
[HD2 General] Jack E:
Looks like we will have to turn to an android port if we don't want to get left behind.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
No mention of multitasking, hopefully Engadget posts some details in their hands on review (currently updating.)

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-hands-on-and-impressions/?s=t5
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
care to explain left behind what?
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
http://gizmodo.com/5471805/windows-phone-7-series-the-complete-story?preview=true
[HD2 General] chris5932:
The big single question matters now... WHEN?!?
[HD2 General] :
Who's still hoping for Win7 on the HD2 now? :p

I love my Zune HD, and I'm very excited about 7 series.
[HD2 General] Jack E:
Yeah sure, due to its lack of backwards compatibility I have my doubts about the amount of applications will ported back to 6.5.
[HD2 General] mgla:
Believe me, I do want to be more optimistic about getting an upgrade to WP7! As for being or not being able to count let me clarify: WP7 will require 3 buttons: Start, Back and Search. The HD2 currently has 2 of them out of the box - Start and Back. That's why I said that I'm hoping that the Home key can be mapped to provide the required search functionality. Cheers!
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
never even seen a zune, its an mp3 player or something, right?
[HD2 General] aceo07:
Me too! I hope this is the consumer model. I want the business model. I don't want to consume that much. I don't care to be synced with the data clouds. I don't want instant access to BUY music or videos. Social networking isn't a big sell for me. It's a big minus if pushed in my face and I can't disable it.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Ahhh gotcha. (Still, seems to me our HD2's dont run 50% of the old wm stuff very well anyway, lol, so nothing new there!)
[HD2 General] :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7gMx6zRhl4

Zune HD is the best damn mp3 player I've ever had, beautiful OLED screen and plenty fast Nvidia Tegra chip. I do like the idea of implementing it into the phone, I would have been surprised if they didn't.

I do wonder how the MP3 player section of Zune will go ahead now, I hope they don't abandon it in favour of the phone integration.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
Anybody else think the 'Xbox Live' box on the phone screen is really tacky? I do! Xbox is their gaming system. PLEASE let me HIDE it! Make it a preference.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
No activesync for the basic stuff (mail, contacts, etc.), all OTA. Interesting...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Same here. :(

Sure, it certainly out-iPhones the iPhone. No doubt about that. The UI is much better et al. But I don't want a freakin' iPhone wannabe...
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
I really don't see this as a iPhone wannabe...kudos to MS for doing something new. How is this an iPhone wannabe? It beats iPhone on UI alone.

If these phones are any good, I can see people truly not giving a f**k about iPhone in the near future :p
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I guess it's a consumer phone thought up by providers. They charge you the money to provide you stuff to consume. It'll be great for cell service providers who know you'll really need that data plan now.

I hope it's does not require 'data plan' OTA. If it is also possible with wireless OTA, then I'll be less annoyed.
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
the only thing im getting from all of this is windows phone 7 series has a nice ui.

i guess none of us will really know how good or indeed bad the new o/s is until we actually have it in our hands.
[HD2 General] mlh01:
Can you call with it?

Ervyerthing was greatly discussed, but I would like to see how to call with this Windows PHONE!

Isn't it strange that they didn't demonstrate this?
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
Unless you walk around the house using WiFi all day, what's the point of having a smartphone if you don't want constant connectivity? I would think a data plan for a smartphone nowadays is a no-brainer...cash-cow for providers--yes, but still, a no-brainer.
[HD2 General] turborider:
here is the link it open today

http://www.windowsphone7series.com/news/
[HD2 General] maw:
I just watched the unveiling of Windows Phone 7 Series, and I am impressed! They really did a top job in UI and making look more appealing, easier to use, and smarter. I'm not ass kissing MS but give them some credit. No one here on XDA could have thought they would have done this.

I hope that my HD2 gets a ROM upgrade end of the year.... I'm also curious to know how 3rd party software is going to function on this new platform. I really can't do without my satnav! Also, I wonder what HTC will do with their Sense UI, will it go out the door with this new platform? Or will they integrate it more better?

Looking forward to using this platform! ;-)
[HD2 General] young blade:
Agreed only I don't know what to think about the homescreen..:cool:
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I looked through their features video and while the interface is interesting, most of it I don't care for because I don't use that stuff.

I didn't get to see the dialer interface. I don't see any signal reception indicators. I didn't see battery life indicators. Those things are the most important in a phone. They didn't even show the real office apps, just the screen to access it.

They did the closing screen accurately, it showed all the components of the W7 phone as icons and the phone icon was among the SMALL icons. Really shows how much value the phone feature is.
[HD2 General] young blade:
Als long as they bring back the weather animation..:)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Nice UI is pretty much everything with a mobile phone - it is an intimate part of your daily life and routine. Windows Mobile currently has the raw functionality, it just looks and feels like ****, which is why HTC have to step in with their custom UIs.

Now Microsoft have stepped up their game and introduced a whole new OS which is built from the ground up, and I for one like the look of it: it is NOTHING like the iPhone in terms of its design and functionality and from what I've read email looks and feels like a dream come true. It also has full multitouch support out of the box and APIs to ensure developers integrate it smoothly into their apps, just as they do with iPhone. The huge number of XBOX subscribers alone will mean a mass interest in Windows Phone 7, and a plethora of top games which will be available from and integrate with XBOX Live. This is very exciting.

Only problem...

THE HD2 WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED.

WHY?

Because it doesn't have a BING button.

Microsoft have laid out strict guidelines for their upcoming phones which all manufacturers have to abide by, and since our HD2s don't tick that box official upgrades are out of the question.

And if you think we're going to be able to get it 'hacked' onto our devices? Well I'm not optimistic: remember this is a WHOLE NEW OS....it has no core elements from Windows Mobile 6.5....it is not an upgrade so much as a new platform, so i'd think it was more likely we'd hack Android on their than Windows Phone 7, and look how long that's taking!

Looks like I'm just gonna have to get saving....
[HD2 General] :
I believe you can customise the screen, so I don't see them forcing Xbox Live on customers, you can just delete it (broken heart) like it was demonstrated.

Haha, I think my HD2 will manage for the next 17 months I have it on contract! :p
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/HTC-HD2-Will-See-Official-Windows-Mobile-7-Upgrade-127718.shtml
[HD2 General] hyellow:
I kinda like Sense. It has every information I need within the homescreen. I hope they will introduce a pro or bussines version, with less MS customization and with Sense 3 or something.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
What is this old article supposed to prove? The facts are there in front of us now. There is no way the HD2 will get an official upgrade as its hardware button layout does not conform to spec. HTC are not going to lose their license just to appease us.
[HD2 General] wigwam12:
That arrticle was superceded by a retraction though wasn't it?
[HD2 General] jakomimi:
Article is 3 months old and I haven't heard any HTC announcements today... :(
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Bullcrap. Other devices without Windows buttons have recieved WM6.5 upgrades officially, despite the Windows button being a requirement for WM6.5 devices.
[HD2 General] hyellow:
Unless HTC is providing an DIY kit to change the home button with a bing button. Or maybe provide an overlay sticker with a bing logo on it, and HTC will out a hotfix to change that button :D
[HD2 General] votdfak:
It's a slim chance for official upgrade (my opinion)

Being HD2 owner, sour taste in my mouth right now...
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
Does HD2 even have the graphics requirements of WP7 ? I thought it required a Tegra or something like that ?
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
lol @ "it don't have the right button!"

the buttons don't tell the system what to do, the system decides what to do when a button is pressed. how much of a mental leap is it to think "maybe when I press the home button the system can interpret that as being the search button"
[HD2 General] young blade:
Seems that there is a lot of wasted space on the right side of the home screen..

could be used to place some softkeys..:cool:
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
To say it's bullcrap is a bit unfair, considering your counter argument cited a Windows Mobile 6 scenario: Windows Mobile has NO HARDWARE BUTTON REQUIREMENTS and simply requires license payments from any OEM; Windows Phone 7 has STRICT GUIDELINES WHICH THE MANUFACTURER MUST ADHERE TO, and only allows a strict number of manufacturers to produce its handsets.

Bullcrap? No.

I have a HD2 so I'm not just trying to wind people up here, i'd love Windows Phone 7 on my device but I think it's pretty certain it ain't gonna happen now: Microsoft are big on the Bing thing and I should imagine want it as tightly integrated as Google does with its services.
[HD2 General] votdfak:
We don't know it, no requirement specs for now. Only that 3 button bull.

Regarding Bing... Stands no chance against Google, even with cashbacks & similar crap
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You're completely wrong. The Windows button is a requirement for WM6.5 devices.

Devices without Windows button have gotten upgrades nevertheless.

Thus, the HD2 not getting an upgrade because of that button is, indeed, bullcrap.

Yess. It meets ALL requirements. It runs WM7. No problem.
[HD2 General] Deixi:
No BS at all. My HD did not get an official update to 6.5 because it has no "windows button"...

i bet you they will scr... the HD2 people like they did with us HD folks...

Alltough I think that the new 7 series is a good way to start from scratch, also with the hardware.

It will be very intresting if the people here at XDA will get the new OS running on an "old" phone at all... I look foward to it and wish them luck :-)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Bullcrap. Again. You guys have no clue, really.
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
I have not understood the fuss about Bing. It is a pretty crappy search engine, in my experience. I am surprised it can even find itself sometimes.

Since this is a thread about the peak at WM7, I'll say that it does seem like a fresh approach, and I am pleased with the look. I also have little doubt that it will find its way to the HD2, even if HTC doesn't offer it. Our chefs will find a way. I am already dreaming about Dutty's HG v.12, which includes WM7 (and the 14 Microsoft patches that will undoubtedly be needed to make it work.)

I'll admit that I was a big MS detractor before I bought the HD2, and overall I am very impressed with it. I sincerely hope that MS does well with WM7, because the stiff competition will be better for the consumer in the long-run.

The video promo says it's coming around the "Holiday," which means almost nothing, given the track record of MS in the past. I hope this time will be different. I really do.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Of course this is true, but we are talking from the perspective of OUR wants and needs...those of developers and hackers; these are manufacturers.

I can't imagine HTC bringing out (or Microsoft sanctioning) an OFFICIAL Windows Phone 7 ROM where a button that says one thing does something else.

Home does not mean 'search', and the button has a little picture of a house on it! It might seem picky but Microsoft are clearly setting out their guidelines strictly to ensure all their devices are consistent and offer a simple user experience with no confusion. To allow such an inconsistency from that perspective would look shoddy.

Besides which, why would HTC feel the need to pay the licensing fee out of their own pockets to give us Windows Mobile 7? It's not just a simple upgrade from 6.1 (which I imagine they negotiated from Windows free of charge). This is a NEW OS. Completely new. Think of how Microsoft charge for their desktop OS - updates are free, but new Operating systems aren't.

Besides which surely HTC have a great way of making more money out of us here: they have patched WM 6.5 and given us Sense to keep us going with the HD2; they have our money now, so a year down the line they will offer us a new phone with slightly higher spec and Windows Phone 7 integrated.

I just can't see an official upgrade in the pipeline, there has been NO official report that this might be the case and from a manufacturers perspective it would just be a loss-making exercise for HTC.
[HD2 General] Deixi:
Ah, what is your problme I have an email from HTC stating that I will not get n official update for my HD because of the lack of a hardware button.

The fact that I'm running Xanny's 6.5 v1.9 does not change the official standpoint...
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
LOL. im willing to bet that the HD2 will be the first phone to get W7PS
[HD2 General] DownloadMaster:
Can WP7 even be hacked onto the HD2? We know its based on WinCE, but it looks like a completely new OS. It could be just as hard to hack WP7 onto an HD2 as it is to hack iPhone OS onto an HD2.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
I think you'll find a lot of people on here has more of a clue than you'll ever get. How about you take your bull**** and crawl back under the rock you came from. Geez.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I'm just saying the truth. And no, 90% of the people here don't have more clue than me.

Yeah, then HTC told you bullcrap. That's not the real reason. Just a lie.

Will be very (VERY!!!) hard to hack onto the HD2. Pretty much impossible. But if the necessary software leaked from HTC, we would be able to put it on the HD2. I know that it CAN run on the HD2, and do so perfectly. But we need the necessary software from HTC, "hacking" is pretty much impossible.
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
Bing on WM6.5 is not bad at all, I use it way more than Google Mobile. Voice Search is sweet when you're on the go.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
You can catch the event video here, if you want to see it in action. You see some Outlook email management around 6:30.

http://www.studiosevent.com/newscen...&height=360&color=FF5500&width=400&height=224

Note: FF to 6:11 to get started.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Again you're citing Microsoft's Windows Mobile 6 ethos: Windows Phone 7 is a completely different game. Microsoft have made strict requirements about hardware with their new os - EVERY device must have THREE buttons - a BACK, START and SEARCH presumably to ensure consistency for the consumer. The HD2 has FIVE buttons and none of them have any search icon on them. The back button is also in the wrong place.

It might seem picky, but if MS are to adopt strict policies of uniformity in this new OS then they can't let any inconsistencies slip through the net.
[HD2 General] Krizz1990:
Hey guys,

Do you think that a Beta Version of Windows Phone 7 will be released soon ? Maybe in February ?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You don't get it. The same applied to WM6.5 devices with the Windows button. Exactly the same, every WM6.5 device was required to have one. Yet, devices without it did get upgrades nevertheless.
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
One has to ask: How will they release a beta of it, given its requirements, etc.? I highly doubt this will happen.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Why do you keep mentioning Windows Mobile 6.5???

You're completely missing the point: for THIS NEW OS Microsoft are completely changing their methodology and requiring STRICT specifications to be adhered to. Whilst they might have let a few start button-less 6.5 devices slip through their slackly controlled net in the interests of keeping things ticking over this is a WHOLE NEW BALL GAME with tightly monitored requirements.

If you mention 6.5 again I think I might cry.
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
leoni1980, your speculating to much. Nothing is even comfirm yet.
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
True, I don´t have a clue at all.

From what I have seen, MS did an astonishing job, and I think what we have

seen now is the consumer version of the new Windows Phone 7 series.

Yes, right, there is that nice little term "series".

Frankly, as of today, I don´t care if and when HD2 will get an update, time will show.

Nobody forced me to buy an HD2. Thanks to great custom ROMs, I am just happy with my device.

In about a year or something like this, when I will look for something new,

I will be able to decide based on what is being offered. As simple as that.

And just in case HTC will generously offer an update for HD2 to WP7, I will just say thank you.

Because that is something which was never promised.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
It is confirmed. Very confirmed.
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
I have not seen it. Is there an actual MS confirmed requirements list somewhere?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Bullcrap. Again. Man, shut up when you've got no clue. The lack of a button does not confirm anything. What a stupid assumtion.
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
With all of this specualtion over WM7 being ported to HD2, I think we all need to look forward to a new OS with a new piece of hardware. Like was stated before, MS is tightening their standards (which is what is required to compete in todays smartphone market). I wouldn't want to waste my time trying to put a square peg (WP7) into a round hole (HD2). By the time WP7 hits, we'll all be ready to upgrade our hardware anyways. Just enjoy WM6.5 on your HD2's for now. WP7 is almost a year away.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
IMO this all is very awsome. We got a lot of information today, but on the other hand we got almost nothing. Because we really knew NOTHING about WP7S, this all seems very much, but:

How will the notifications work?

Will there be multitasking?

More info on Appstore? Have not seen anything regarding it yet..

Freedom in general? Rumors I read told that you will only be able to use the new version of IE, which is very nice. But I also want to be albe to use Opera, of Firefox, skyfire, etc

And why, god why, did non of those people ask if the HD2 will be getting an upgrade? They had 3 questions. 3. Why. I was yelling at the screen 'ASK THEM ABOUT THE HD2!!!'... but, it was not ment to be.

Overall what I see is: people that are current WM users are not happy with WP7S - People that don't use WM are very positive about it. Even iPhone-fankids are positive!

And the 3-button requirment is something bad indeed... the HD2 has to much buttons OMFG :eek:
[HD2 General] young blade:
You guy's should stop the discusion.. as its becoming childish..

I don't think Microsoft would apriciate it if HTC anounced a upgrade to WM7 if they their self haven't even had the chance to show of their new OS...:cool: