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[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Im sorry but if a person cant spend a few minutes to learn a phone , or the Android OS is too complicated perhaps a smartphone isnt the right purchase.

Its a basic philosophical difference. Android can be retard simple. It just wont be able to do anything. It cant read ones mind. (yet). So long as there is choice there will be options and a learning curve.

Its 2010. If people are afraid of computers theyre in for a complicated frustrating existence.((OR a really easy one :p))

The reason Macs are gaining popularity ((as if a 1-2% growth in a 20 year old market is anything to brag about)) is because of PERCEIVED ease.

I cant fathom what kind of human being wouldnt be able to turn on a PC and check there email , play there music , or look at photos.

I have 6 yr old nephews , 43 yr old super computer boob parents , and elderly family members readily and easily using PCs.

The dumbing down of technology to the lowest common denominator is not a good thing.

Fact of the matter is at the end of the day its all about $$$$$

We can argue till the cows come home but at the end of the day theres simply no way for people to know what to do or what they can do on there new phone without someone showing them or them having seen a million commercials showing them what can be done.

THATS why iPhone is so successful $$$$ advertising , plugging your device into peoples heads via tv and print ads.

The Android OS needs to pretty itself up a bit more. But face it VZ proved what a few ads can do for a phone reputation and sales.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Sure they should, I had the original iPhone and hated it, sold it right away.

Then I got the 3G and it was OK, but still not really great.

The 3GS however is just a different tool, it really is. The speed of changing apps, and the ease with which devs seem to have mastered the resume functions really do mitigate the lack of Multitasking in an stock 3GS.

But how about this. Have we all forgotten what phones were about in 2007 when the original iPhone launched? Apart from the Nokia N95 8GB, there were some real stinkers back then.

Also, what do you think about the updates that Apple do deliver? There are not many companies that deliver updates that completely change the experience, and you do not have to upgrade hardware to benefit. Look at Android, only lately have we seen a real effort to update the OS, I think the Hero in the UK still comes with 1.5

In the UK they are around that same price. a 16GB 3GS is now £449 without a contract, and £10 more to unlock it. If you are prepared to run it on our O2 network for the first year, the buying price of £449 includes unlimited (real not capped) data on both 3G and wi-fi for the 12 months. O2 is an OK network, I would say much better than AT&T from what I read.

The N1 I just bought was £430 with VAT, and a 16GB memory card is about £30, so a very similar price. I don't think there is anyway you can say 3GS is outdated, after all, how many decent 3D games and FPS do you see on Android?

Please note I do not play games, so don't care about it, just pointing out that the 3GS hardware is not that far behind the N1

Kev
[Nexus One General] noodles12:
This pisses me off every time I hear "not as intuitive as the iphone."

Intuitive? It's a screen with a bunch of ICONS. It's like having your desktop screen on your computer covered with icons.

And it can't multi-task so how is it easier to do stuff?

The only reason I liked my 3gs was because I had backgrounder + proswitcher (or kirikae) and widgets on my lockscreen and homescreen.

But it was a ***** to set-up the widgets with all the iblanks I had to do.

The Iphone is NOT intuitive, it's just simple. Freaking apple fanboys. *ROAR!*
[Nexus One General] xSiraris:
I'm not going to argue with people who refuse to see another perspective, in particular because they believe anyone who doesn't agree with their perspective is some sort of lesser human being.

I guess the only thing I'd point out is that Apple has sold over 40 million iPhones to date. Android has sold maybe 3-4 million.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Boring? not sure it is. my 3GS can still surprise me, like yesterday, my 3GS alerted me that an update to QuickOffice was available, and I found that it now allows me to edit Google Docs, which is a huge thing for me. Can the N1 edit Google Docs yet? (Genuine question, can not seem to do it on mine)

It is this sort of thing that keeps me wedded to iPhone. Another is I use BBC iPlayer here a lot, and the iPhone stream is so much nicer that any other, including the N1 version.

Well, as you said, that is not me. I have a PC base unit, an Acer Timeline and two Samsung Netbooks. I only got this Macbook a short time ago, but in fairness I could not give a stuff that Apple make it. What I do care about, (and the reason the Acer and two Samsungs get barely any action these days) is that I don't have to keep updating the poxy virus checker every single day, or indeed the OS itself.

Also, of course I can run Windows if I so desire on this very same Macbook. The battery lasts at least twice as long as most Windows laptops I have owned, and (this is a silly one but I love it!), the bottom of the laptop is completely smooth, so when you have it on your lap, it feels nice :-), most of the Windows machines I see have ridges under them, or feet, or whatever, and after a few mins they get uncomfortable.

Also, try finding a QUIET Windows laptop. Really, they mostly sound like bloody jets taking off. This little thing is just basically silent.

The Samsung's (NC10 and NC110) are superb little devices, but hell, at the end of March they will be history, replaced with a lovely iPad :-))

Kev
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Like the one-month-after-release OTA we just got for the N1? Up until now, Google's not had complete control of an Android device (they sort of did with the G1, but that thing was still a HTC baby). As you can see by the fact that the Droid lags behind on updates thanks to Motorola, it's not exactly Google's fault.

Most of the world doesn't do this stupid, silly subsidized thing and bind themselves to phone contracts. Hence, everyone buys phones unlocked, all the time, all the way. Where I live, the iPhone 3GS costs $850. In Hong Kong, one of the countries where you can get the N1 straight from Google without being subjected to taxes, the 3GS costs $808. Importing an N1 to Hong Kong will cost you a grand, staggering total of $577.

Good job distinguishing between hardware capability and software availability there. There aren't many games for Android because... uh... the platform is newer and commands less market share, so there's this tiny possibility fewer people will develop games for it. Maybe? Perhaps? I don't know really, you be the judge.

It's like saying a single-core PC with a 8600GT running Windows doesn't have outdated hardware compared to a quad-core PC with an ATI 5870 running Linux because, hey, the Windows machine can play games and the Linux one can't unless you're counting Wine or if said PC also has Windows installed on another partition (but then, most phones can't support dual-booting or multiple OSes, so let's keep the comparison relevant). Don't be intentionally obtuse.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
75 million if you include iPod Touch :-)

Kev
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
O rly.

And oh hey, growth rate. Try that on.

Mmm, when was the last time you could open up a Mac and modify it to your liking? Give it a new, bigger case with extra air flow and fans for that crossfire GPU you're adding? Take them all apart for clean-up and... wait, sorry. I know, having total control over and being able to modify what you've paid for is a horrible, horrible thing nobody could ever want. Steve said so!

Haha, wow. Even staunch Mac/iPhone users think the iPad is a castrated piece of excrement. I commend you for your brand loyalty.
[Nexus One General] ajwho:
Does anyone else find it amusing how grainysand completely skirts over kevwright's point?

kevwright: I've found that several of these iPhone comparison threads are filled with ignorance. And when the more enlightened individuals call their ignorance into doubt, the flames start flying. Children, really. For me, it's best just not to get involved. I appreciate your posts and I'm sure there are others on here who do as well. It's a breath of fresh air to read sensible and unbiased posts.
[Nexus One General] xSiraris:
Yes, going from 100 - 100,000 is impressive, but when you're going from 1 million - 10 million, things are different. Would you rather sell 99,900 cars, or 9 million cars?
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
I did say exactly that, in this bit, "Look at Android, only lately have we seen a real effort to update the OS"

That update is a great start for the Nexus One, and hopefully more will follow, like storage for apps on the SD for example.

The mess with Droid, Hero and all other Android phones is just the downside of not having only one model of phone to deal with, which in itself is a major benefit of Android over iPhone.

I agree the games comparison was a little daft, but IMHO no dafter than your "horrifyingly" outdated comment.

Kev
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Wow, I absolutely LOVE this line. That's f-ing brilliant. I'm going to start using that when talking to people about Android vs iPhone.
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
I like how you've sidestepped the fact that you cited a random and hilariously wrong figure, then try to backpedal with a random and hypothetical figure that bears no relevance to the discussion. Well duh, one would rather sell nine million cars: that, however, doesn't invalidate growth rate and say... the speed at which a particular kind of engine is adopted by car manufacturers.

For the price of a 3GS? Pretty horrifying. As anyone who just ditched their 3GS on ebay will attest, people are willing to pay ridiculous amounts for a used iPhone--often enough to cover the purchase of a brand-new N1, Droid, or HD2.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Uh... Why is this a good thing? That just seems like a security issue. So ANYONE around your phone will instantly see that you just got a text message and will be able to read it? I SURE as hell wouldn't want that.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Oh come on now, you call me out for being Obtuse and then post that?

Now if you must talk growth rate, how about 82% on a product in the last few months of its life, and only suitable to 5 year olds according to you?

Huh? I was talking laptops. When was the last time you modded a Windows laptop? And fans? I want a silent PC not some bloody Harrier Jump Jet soundalike!

Not brand loyalty at all. The thing about the iPad is that to be able to buy something like this for $499 and plug it in and have all your iPhone apps ready to use, I mean just simply ready to use with no learning curve at all, it just a winner for me. I also use the iPhone so much for eBooks, and I see this little gem as being the best ever eBook reader, simply stunning.

The funny thing is, as you accuse me and others of being blinded BY Apple, (I have to tell you I am a couple of years of 50 years old and not easily impressed by this sort of thing) and the truth is, YOU are blinded AGAINST Apple, whatever they make you would not buy it right? Crazy.

Kev
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
You are easily impressed then? If he were to name an upscale restaurant it might be reasonably funny......but hey, I guess McDonalds is one of the most successful brands in the world.....

Kev
[Nexus One General] rockky:
Simple is NOT synonymous with dumb
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
So, the iPhone is great at holding value huh? Is that bad? Its good here? Do you think Android devices will hold up so well.

But you miss my point, if you said "a bit" or just said "outdated" people might just take you seriously. By using that word, you just show yourself up as a rabid Apple hater.

Kev
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Britney Spears made more money/sells more copies than Bach. That means Britney Spears is better, right? Right? Dan Brown shipped more copies than The Riverside Chaucer, so he must be a superior writer than that medieval dude, no? As I've said before: people are sheep. Nothing will fix that short of a carpet-bombing from orbit.

I don't give a damn about laptops, although if it comes to that, at the very least with Windows laptops you'll always have a greater range of options. Apple gives you how many different configurations per model again? I'd make a joke about gaming on Macbooks, but nobody bothers with that anyway. As for fans, I'm guessing you don't use your computers for much of anything beyond office/media use. There's this thing called gaming. I hear it's big in some quarters and generate crazy profits from enthusiasts who upgrade/tinker with their machines all the time, but don't take my word for it.

Okay, give me a compelling reason. The iPad? Ginormous failure: no multi-tasking, no Flash support, no USB, no anything. I don't even need, much less want, a tablet device (no matter who made it or which OS powers it): a smartphone fulfills all that I require from a portable device, which is why I don't even carry around a laptop anymore. The iPhone? Used other people's. Not impressed, find the look of the UI buttfuck-ugly, hate the system, ****ty as a phone (hi dropped calls). A Mac? Hahahahahaha. For the price of one, I can get a PC with much more powerful hardware. Which I can modify to my heart's contents, and upgrade in a year's time without needing to get a whole new system. So... why would I want anything Apple? To show off that I'm loaded? Thanks, but no thanks.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Funny? What? It wasn't for the humor. Looks like the reference flew completely over your head. Do I really need to explain it?...
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Thats fine with me mate. All I was pointing out was the original poster was saying you had to open an App just to read an SMS, and you don't.

Oh, and my iPhone does not leave my sight (nor does any phone I own)

Kev
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Um, yep I think you might have to (in my defence I have had some drugs today (in hospital!!!) so I am a little dozy :-)

Kev
[Nexus One General] ajwho:
Don't you work in a mobile phone store? I don't think you need to worry about that.
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Right because saying "peter lugers" is going to make any sense.

Mcdonalds successful right ? the place that has BILLIONS of people served , has an easy menu that a 5 year old can figure out and everyone knows about it so it MUST have better food right ??

Sorry but sales figures arent going to prove to anyone that the UI/OS is better.

Frankly the Palm WebOS UI in many respects is better than both Iphone and Android youre not going to see that in any sales figure.

Amazing the same people trying to back the Iphone OS for its ease and friendliness with sales figures are somehow skipping over a 90% market share for PCs. I guess PC are easier to use and better OS right ?

Listen I dont give two flying Fuggs about Google/Apple/Palm/

All I care about is who is going to give me the best mobile computing/communication experience. I spent an extended period of time with Palm Pre , G1 and 3GS last summer and it was immediately clear the iPhone OS was dated. Even with superior hardware ((at the time)) the OS was crippled and severely limited compared to even Android 1.5 , or Web OS.

((especially coming from winmo)).

Im an electronics whore. Im as unbiased as they come. Ill go to the best so long as its worth it. Does it ever occur to Apple people that maybe the drawbacks of the "simple UI" is too much to overcome for some people ?

Ive already said if the Android OS is too daunting maybe smartphones arent for you. How is that insulting or degrading. Some people prefer porter house some prefer burgers and fries. Just dont sit there and tell me my steak needs to grounded up and put between two buns so its simpler to eat.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Well, as long as you're being honest...

In this article, the author is complaining that on the iPhone, every option you need is right on the screen in a simple and intuitive manner; whereas on Android, every option is "buried" in a menu.

In McDonalds, you walk in, and the menu is RIGHT in your face, plastered to the wall, with every option clearly listed out. In an upscale restaurant, you are given a menu that you read through to decide what you want.

THAT'S why I thought it was an amazing reference. It wasn't for the humor (?), but because it hits the bullseye on exactly what the issue is.

Now, which one is better? For you, you might like McDonalds a whole lot more, especially as you said since it's so popular / successful. But me, I would find an upscale restaurant a more enjoyable experience, even though you have to look in menus instead of having all the options plastered to the wall in a huge backlit billboard.

Which one do most people find more enjoyable? Think before answering.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Wow, YOU raised the subject of sales numbers via the growth argument, and now you are saying sales numbers (and presumably that goes for growth as well?) don't matter?

Thats fine, I don't give a damn about Base units, PC or Mac.

Or gaming. I have an Xbox 360 for that.

Hah, I just gotta search back in 2007, I just bet you said the same about iPhone? Go on admit it and save me some searching :-)

No Flash=Good (yes, yes, Steve said so, I know that but he copied it from me)

Wow, that is a lot of hate.

OK, used someone else's iPhone and its ****ty as a phone? Hrmm, nothing like a good in depth test (like I am doing with the Nexus One)

The UI is butt-**** ugly? Well, I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but come on, is the Android UI somehow radically different looking?

Why does owning an iPhone make me look loaded. You probably don't know Tesco here in the UK, but think Walmart I guess. They sell iPhone. Everyone and his mate has an iPhone, if anything it makes you look anything other than loaded.

I also pointed out to you that an iPhone in the UK is around the same price as any other smartphone (sorry, SuperPhone, jsut imagine the outcry if Apple pulled that dumb ass name :), so you are either not reading my posts before hitting reply or being Obtuse?

Kev
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Aha, the penny (or dime) drops, sorry to be so slow :-)

Kev
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
LOL. I'm going to guess you're an average middle-class peon, in which case chances are good that I see a lot more money every month than you do in a year. Go back to stocking shelves at Walmart, kid.

Uh, no. Another poster brought up sales figure. Was incorrect. I cited that table to correct him. Reading comprehension is hard, I understand.

Sure. Compare anything from the "post your screenshots" thread to an iPhone's home screen. Home replacement apps, themes, whatever--they not only look better; they give you more options.

I was talking about Apple products in general, but again, reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong point. It's okay, I'm sure you are very good at basket-weaving.

And you don't get it. In most parts of the world, Apple products--iPhones or otherwise--remain luxury goods. There's a reason Nokia ships more units, profit margins aside. Most people can't afford Apple. They buy cheap Nokia phones. So yes, in a lot of places toting an iPhone or thunking down your Macbook at the local coffee vendor is a sign that you're well-off. For someone aged over fifty, you're dreadfully me-centric, but then age doesn't always bring insight, does it?

For the record, if Apple were to make machines that are customizable from top to bottom and are easy/cheap to upgrade, and which don't force me to buy hardware components I don't need, and which can be custom-built from the ground up... ah, who am I kidding; you want what Steve Jobs says you want, and he says you can't customize ****. But if they did that, I'd consider their products on the same ground as everyone else's. Until then? They're good only for pretentious artsy types and people too stupid to keep their computers virus/malware-free.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Yeah, but now he explained it to me, it will make almost no sense for him to quote it to people because that would mean they would have had to read the original article to get the reference. And that is assuming they are not as thick as me :-)

Me too. I think the only difference between us is you prefer Android ATM and I prefer iPhone OS ATM.

FWIW, I am probably the last person who SHOULD like the 3GS so much. It still surprises me today, as I started out on the fantastic Psion devices, and Nokia communicators and the like. I should hate iPhone OS (and I was not this fanboyish until 3GS came along you know) but I don't.

The other difference to some people here is that by liking the 3GS, it does not automatically mean I have to HATE the Nexus One.

But you forget, the Nexus One is not a smartphone. It is a SuperPhone you know.

Be honest for a moment, can you imagine the fuss if Apple made that ridiculous statement?

And just where do I say Android is too DAUNTING for me?

Kev
[Nexus One General] xManMythLegend:
Not you, the article sure implies it. Hes nitpicking moving his thumb below the screen as opposed to on the screen. Its ridiculous.

If thats the kind of thing that would turn someone off to an OS than they shouldnt be holding a smartphone to begin with.

And yes I see you got the McDs reference I hadnt seen your response before mine.

I have no issue with people who like the 3gs or "choose" the 3gs. Its just when its shortcomings/limitations arent ackowledged with the iphone OS and insistence things should be done 'that' way.

IMO its a selfish proposition. A good UI is a Good UI. Android has a spectacular one. IMO better than Iphone. Just the actual png/bmp/jpgs/colors arent as nice. But the design and functionality are superior.

This guy complains about the menu button ? Really ?

Then why isnt it twisting his balls that often you have to exit the damn application then go to some universal setting menu , then pick that apps settings ?? When in Android its all there in one button ?

How is that better design ? Its not.

Hes coming from a selfish standpoint of "make things more like the iphone so I can transition easier".

I dont want the right things broken and the bad things ignored.
[Nexus One General] kevwright:
Hrmm, so you would not want Apple product because people might think you are loaded, but you want everyone here to know you probably earn more than him. Confused, not much.

Yeah, sarcasm is always a good alternative to reasoned argument.

You surely forgot to add "IMO" I guess. I thought it was me that was me-centric?

Ho Ho. I related to iPhone as I could not imagine getting any other Apple product I own out in pubic. But carry on with the sarcasm, it suits you.

Well, for the third time, in the UK the iPhone and Macbook I own are the same price as equivalent products. I understand Reading Comprehension is not your strong point.

I really don't buy that its a bad thing to want to show other people you are doing OK. Nor do you as proved by your salary boasting above.

Yawn. Tell you what, go watch the Nexus One launch again, skip through to the bit where the camera pans around to the room chock full of tech journos. See anything other than a sea of glowing Apple logos?

I suppose they are all stupid huh, and they don't use Apple products because they have less chance of ****ing up an important event than an equivalent Windows laptop?

As far as virus stupidity goes, the most stupid people are the ones who really believe it will never happen to them.

Kev

Kev