yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
lol :D so we wait and see... we've tried cracking this nut but it just won't be cracked...

Are all your fonts SegoeUI already, btw? and replacing the attached fonts you gave me will do that as well?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] KB24@CL:
looks awesome, thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dragonkaiser:
???

you want to have the segoe ui in windows and manila ??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] de Wolfe:
Maybe you wanna have a look into this thread here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=532633

His cab's do really change everything (as far as I realized it on my phone). He also provides a Segoe-Font but that one looked too bold for my taste on the homescreen.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
Tried those before and its the same result... in 2.05 base and below, its perfect. In 2.07 and 2.09 (like I am on now) the Applications that use Manila/HTC Menus use Courier New (probably the default font if you don't install anything Manila related)

@appleflap

Replaced the fonts successfully but apps HTC Menus are still not changing... they still use Courier New... so I'm back to using Default WM Menus since I prefer having 1 font for all... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
I currently have a chinese font :) I'm running a weird chinese rom. It's sunday baby!

No seriously, I think it´s nice to have a consistent font replacement. But I can live at this moment with your workaround. I investigate it a little further, but I'm totally happy right now with a (upcomming) Zune font.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
lol :) so you have 2 main fonts, different ones on all menus and all apps OR are you using Windows Default Menus?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] leoni1980:
This cab resulted in all the fonts in opera turning into symbols. This cab for Segue works in opera.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] finch273:
does someone how to fix this?

greetz finch
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] de Wolfe:
This means that your font is too big. You had to decrease the dpi of the font - The same problem I got by instaling Sarcy's Segoe font.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] finch273:
can you tell me how to change this?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dhruvzz:
even i had that problem use this font instead of dat ...these are the same fonts...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
ok, I'm back and I hope I've solved my problem... (read through to see screenshots to understand)

Manila/HTCMenus seem to use this font: ascmonbi I've been able to narrow it down after appleflap changed most of the ascender sans fonts... testing right now if replacing this file with segoeui and renaming it to ascmonbi will make SegoeUI the default font System wide (menus, apps, popups...)

Will check back in a bit...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
You're a genius. But did I forget to change the ascmonbi font? That explains... a lot!

Hope you fixed it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
It fixed it! ascmonbi, in my system at least, is being used by Manila/HTCMenus... now I can sleep! lol :D

Just can't seem to delete one of the extra font files I created... it always says its locked by a process... oh well... Miri's 2.10 version will be coming out soon so I don't have time to customize everything... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
Well thank you! Now, MysticGenius can update his font files. Sleep well, you deserve it. All that important work on our phones... Really if we all are doing just that, I tell you: world peace would be a fact :p :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] titi123:
Can this font be installed in HD2 with WM6.5?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] de Wolfe:
Of course you can...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Ok boys im back!!!

whats the score then?

what fonts need changed!! (Sorry, im really tired and cant be bothered to read my own thread!!!!)

I would find it really helpful if someone could list the extra fonts that need changed along with what they change!!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
hi,

I will make a cab for you once i have fixed the cabs in the thread first.

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
Welcome back Mystic!

Her's the post... http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5687190&postcount=56

in short, appleflap and I replaced all the ascender fonts as well... now I'm on Segoe UI for all apps!

Could you make a cab for Zegoe that includes all the fonts? (except sorts, symbol and wingdings since those are most probably symbols, etc.) :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Ok, thanks for that, I will create these CABs when i get home from work tonight. (That will be ~7:30GMT, so i probably will not post any fixed CABs till about 8pm)

but in short ALL fonts need replaced EXCEPT: Sorts, Symbol & Wingdings

is that correct?

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
Just wait a little bit. I'm trying to gradually replace one font at a time to see what it does.

With the new roms it seems we have much more control of the fonts. I am replacing the asc** font groups each by a different font and it seems that we now can tell which font to use for the taskbar, which font to use for the bottom bar, which font to use for the menus, etc. etc.

I will report back. By the time you get home I try to have a list ready with with which font-group is responsible for which screen elements.

Have a nice day
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
I noticed this as well appleflap... now I'm all Segoe, but if you complete what you are doing, we could have 2 or 3 fonts for complete control of the UI!!!:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] riz157:
thankz mate will give it a try.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DAMIEN123_666:
hi this font from first post is looking good but the letters are hard to read in small texts is their away to increase the space between lettrts
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
That's correct. Maybe you could just "fix" it for the Segoe UI and add it to new Zune font. It just needs a little bit testing because it seems that with the new tmous rom and the custom roms based on it things have changed again.

(Forget my earlier posting about my ambition to map all fonts to screen elements.)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] User_99:
For testing: ZegoeUI-SemiBold-U.cab [includes: cour, HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin, HelveticaNeue LT 55 Roman, HelveticaNeueOTS, tahoma, tahomabd]

Try this cab:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] de Wolfe:
That's very good. Could you just give a very brief how to how to make such a *.cab? Than all users that want to try a little bit could do that. That would be BOMB! :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] User_99:
I use this software: http://www.ocpsoftware.com/

But maybe also QuickCAB could do the job for you... [never used, sorry]
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
this would have been really useful!

then we could see if it is possible to have a custom font for the system and a different one for the internet!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Hi,

I appreciate your efforts, but please wait until we have this cracked. I say this because you cab is NOT related to WM6.5.x, this thread is SPECIFICALLY for WM6.5.x.

WM6.5.x does not use some of the fonts you have added to your cab!

once all the relevant fonts have been found i will happily tell you, but for now please wait abit because i have a feeling that M$ are going to screw about again with the fonts in the up and coming builds!!

thanks

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DAMIEN123_666:
hi can i get a working version of this please

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5685105&postcount=33

the cab posted here only changes some fonts

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5697195&postcount=71

please help me as i love the fonts in first post but their two hard to read and these posted here seem better
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
read the post up. we are working on it!!!

the cab in the first post is the one i use daily, i have no issue reading it!! the screenshots are from my phone.

Maybe change your wallpaper to something darker?

also i cannot control the size of the fonts, they are set by windows. you could also look at BSBtweak or HD2Tweak and see if they can increase system font size.

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] daniking:
i like you'r background wallpaper

can you give me that please ?

Tank You !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tonyc0642:
This is a great thread! Changing the fonts is one of the first things I do after I flash a new ROM! So I thought I would contribute my personal favorite. I can't remember where I got it, but it works on Mr DSL's Manilla2D V2 23017 3G. I'm not sure if that's 6.5.3 or not, but if nothing else you can use WinCE Cabmanager to extract the .ttf from the cab and rebuild it. I have the program on my pc if you need any help.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
Nice font. Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Comzed:
Back ???

How to get back teh orignale font. I uninstall but it is the same?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] andrepazleal:
Hello, this will work on a T3238 clone with windows 6.5 already...?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] de Wolfe:
Try it - you could uninstall it if it doesn't work... Normally it should work on every 6.5-installation out there.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
I dont know why i bother typing sometimes.

READ THE FIRST POST, IT CLEARLY STATES THAT THIS IS FOR WM6.5.x
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Hi,

I have made an updated version for you. Please can you test and post screenshots (like the ones in the first post)

If you find everything ok i will add to the first post. I hope i have fixed the issue with the symbols in Opera!!

funny how it works fine with my version of brians font, but others break! i dont get it lol.

Hope this works for you!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] PJonDevelopment:
MG,

I have reviewed the CAB file you have posted through out the thread and IMHO the problem with the approach you made is that you replace every single possible font file in the \Windows\Fonts folder with the same font file.

This way, people who uses WM for some basic text editing (as if someone would do anything other than basic :p ) in, say, Pocket Word would be in serious problem because no matter what font they choose to format the text, the looks would always be the same.

I agree that it's a pain with some popular programs that do not allow the user to select the desired font, specially if they have customizable skin.

But I really don't agree with this approach.

Just my two bits.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] oo0:
hello,

i would really like to have Comfortaa font for all my manila and wm6.5.x related stuff.

but it doesn't include russian characters, which i'd like to see in

messaging/mail/calendar entries in manila and wm native apps.

i've changed names with FontEdit and replaced the original ones. now i have comfortaa everywhere and "???????" instead of cyrillic, of course.

possible to merge Comfortaa and HandelGotDRus in a cab to get a kind of a russian support? thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Segoe Light Font

MG,

Got it somewhere.. but this is a more clearer font than Zegoe UI. If you are interested...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
no i dont! NOTHING goes in the windows\fonts folder!!

Simple solution for you, uninstall or dont use it!!

why come to a thread which IS for changing the system font, then complain about changing the font.

I dont understand your logic?

as has been posted in the thread, the best solution is for me to manually replace each font, individually, rebooting each time and seeing what changes, then i would be able to map what each of the fonts actually does, but unfortunately i have a very demanding job, threads to maintain and a taskbar that i am also updating.

I only have 2 hands!

I have no problem with MY cab in the first post, it works nice for me. as for others, im not to bothered as i created it for myself, and i thought it would be nice to allow others to have it.

Instead of complaining about my method, why not try and help me out? (you probably wont because you just complained!!)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Hi,

as i have just stated, i need to map the fonts (see post above). once i have done this i can start thinking about fixing everyones fonts!!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Can Help

MG,

If you can give me some tips on what the files are and how you replace them (using TotalCommander etc), I can help... got a little time to kill...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] daniking:
Can You ? !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jbreyes:
Mistral Font

Can you make me a Cab for MISTRAL Font for the HTC Touch Pro...

Is it possible to change Font later after installing it... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jezusrvd:
maybe just a program?

would it be easier to make an app that allows you to change the font whenever you want (like in xperia tweak ) rather then a bunch of cabs (amazing cabs btw)

maybe even the ability to add certain fonts to only specific areas for example only in the start menu.

just random ideas :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
yes, pm me your email, im not posting it here!!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
As i have said repeatedly, i will continue making these once i have the Fonts Mapped!!

when i know what each does i can NOT skin the font that is messing with Cyrillic chars, and messing up the Opera browser.

currently the ONLY fully working cab is my version of Brians SYS font in the first post

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
You are totally correct, but i am no programmer, but i will look into this possibility!!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tonyc0642:
I think you meant that for someone else, it works fine in Opera Mini 4.2 for me. I can still test your cab though if you like.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Font Mapping Progress...

Folks,

With MG's help, been doing some research on mapping fonts to individual items in Manila and Windows Mobile as a whole. Following is the progress

1. Manila uses Helvetica LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf) and Helvetica Neue OTS (HelveticaNeueOTS.TTF) fonts.

2. Helvetica LT 35 Thin is used to display titles in Manila while Helvetica Neue OTS is used to display all Manila contents.

3. If Helvetica Neue OTS is replaced with a custom font, Manila automatically uses Helvetica LT 35 Thin for contents as well.

4. HTC Menus uses Helvetica Neue OTS by default. If this file is changed (I still haven't figured how Manila senses this), the Ascender Sans Mono (ascmon.ttf) is used. If Ascender Sans Mono is changed, it uses Courier New (Cour.ttf). Only when Courier New is changed as well, it works with the expected font.

5. Google Maps uses Ascender Serif (ascser.ttf) to display status messages (like current location information, Latitude login/password, etc).

Known Issues:

1. When I replace Helvetica LT 35 Thin, the alarm clock does not display the time when editing.

I am still checking out stuff. Will report findings periodically. If everything goes well, I should be uploading a font which will replace the entire system.

Just so you know, I am using Manila 2.5.20121412.1

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Nice work dude, lets get a full mapping before we start jumping in.

brilliant work so far though dude. Im currently trying to work out why the font i have sent works for all and other dont!!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Reason for fonts not working...

MG,

The reason why the font you have sent works and the others don't is because, the font files have been renamed, but the font names themselves have not been changed.

Also, I have given another quick update to my earlier update.

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Ahh, ok so i need to find how to rename them!!

nice work, thanks

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
Wow, great to see the progress on mapping fonts!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Renaming fonts

MG,

You can use FontCreator to rename them... I am yet to find a free tool to do it... I can help if you have the fonts...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
More Info on Font Mapping...

Folks,

System Font	- Tahoma/Tahoma Bold (Tahoma.ttf, Tahomabd.ttf)

Manila Font (Titles)	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Manila Operator Name	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Manila Weather Temp	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Manila Date	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Manila Alarm	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Manila Calendar (no appts)	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Manila (Everything else)	- Helvetica Neue OTS (HelveticaNeueOTS.ttf)

Keyboard	- Helvetica Neue OTS (HelveticaNeueOTS.ttf)

Phone	- Helvetica Neue OTS (HelveticaNeueOTS.ttf)

HTC Menus	- Helvetica Neue OTS (HelveticaNeueOTS.ttf)

Alarm Clock (Settings)	- HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin (HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin.ttf)

Still unable to figure where the Ascender fonts are used by default. It looks like few apps use it, like Ascender Serif (ascser*.ttf) is used by Google Maps.

Will work this info out and let you all know.

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Test Font (Calibri)

Folks,

As promised, here's a test font (Calibri). Try it out and let us know the results.

Also, there is a Font Smoothing Test. I am not sure if this will work on our devices and Manila, but still if any one of you notice any difference, let us know.

The font smoothing has been done based on this comment by cyberbuddhah at the following forum.

http://freddyreyes.com/forums/index.php/topic,321.0.html

Please remember that this has been tested only on WM 6.5 (21893) branch. I will be testing it on WM 6.5.3 (23541) shortly.

UPDATE: It works on 6.5.3 as well. :D

UPDATE 2: Font Smoothing Test Cab has been re-uploaded as the values in the app cause Schap's Advanced Configuration Tool to fail when ClearType Setting was opened. I believe the same thing would have happened if ClearType Tuner Control Panel was used as well.

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
Thanks for this... as soon as I flash back to 6.5.X I will try this... I'm on 6.5 (21893) right now so I'll try the Font Smoothing... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Font Smoothing

From what I read, it looks like it works better on Helvetica font... may be we should try this before applying custom fonts...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
Oh, that's why I don't see much of a difference... I'm on WM 6.5 and using Segoe Condensed for testing... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Based on Microsoft's words, it might not even work on Manila. Looks like the application must explicitly implement Font Smoothing without which it might not work.

May be we should have someone write us a program to compare Font Smoothed text and otherwise.

As a C# programmer, I will start my efforts on it next. But I will be a bit busy over the week, so I may progress a bit slow.

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] JoeVulture:
I didn't try the font smoothing part, but I'm running 6.5 build 21893 on an AT&T Tilt 2 (Touch Pro 2). I've been looking to swap out the default Manila fonts for some time now. The Calibri test font is working perfectly!

I notice that unfortunately you replace the Courier font; this isn't so much of an issue for the application that I use (PocketPuTTY) allows me to select a different monospace font. With some other font hacks that I've tried, adding another monospace font to the system (to \Windows\Fonts) would make that font be the font for HTC Menus, but this one seems to be working fine.

This other post http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=539091&highlight=comfortaa, actually has a font that works without overwriting fonts other than Tahoma and Helvetica Neue, so I'm wondering if there is something to do with the font metrics or glyphs.

At any rate, this CAB is working great, so I'd like to say thanks for all of your hard work!

-- Joe
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Thanks for the feedback

Thank you for the feedback. Yes, those 4 files are the main files used by Windows Mobile system and Manila. But there are applications and some parts of Manila that use the Ascender fonts. That is why we have also replaced the Ascender fonts. Also, there are applications, like Google Maps for instance, that use Ascender fonts. If you don't replace those fonts, then some apps will come up with surprise fonts...

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pongster:
@Nag

Would you have a copy of the original Ascender Fonts located in the \Windows dir?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
hi, i have been doing some tests on ur finding. it seems that if i only replace the 4fonts u suggest,the font on the htc keyboard is not changed,it seems one of the asc fonts changes this. also about naming the fonts with font creator,this.makes no difference,i created a font with same file name,but different font names and it name no diff. once we find the asc font responsable4htc kb i think we can start testing cabs! thanks for ur help. MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Original Ascender Fonts

Here you go pongster.

PS: This includes all fonts in the \Windows folder, not just the Ascender fonts.

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Need more information...

MG,

I am not sure which Branch/Version of Windows you are using. Can you send me the info please? I tested it on 23541 (Nhathoa ROM) and it seems to work fine when I replace both the Helvetica Fonts. By default Manila is coded to replace one Helvetica with another.

So, when I replace both the Helvetica fonts and no other font in the system, HTC Kbd uses my font.

Send me the device info, and I will probably try and flash another rom tonight and test it. I bet there are differences between different versions of Windows Mobile/Manila.

Update: I am now looking at 21892 and you are absolutely right. I think we have to research for individual COM branches and versions of Windows Mobile/Manila.

Another Update: Looks like HTC Kbd is using Ascender Sans Bold (ascsanb.ttf).

I can help with the fontcreator stuff if you can send me the fonts.

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Hi,

I have font creator now :D;) MysticMagic!!

Nice work on finding the KB font, and you are correct i am using the XannyTECH Evolution rom!

I am starting to think that this is not going to be very successful, i have tryed about 15-20 fonts today, i cabbed then last night, and installed them throughout the day.

I have not found 1 font, other than the one from the Original Brians SYS Font cab. All of the others are either HUGH or really tiny!!

I dont get it! I mean i thought a 10px font was a 10px font! the screensize doesnt change so why are the fonts displaying at different sizes!!

MG
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NNagendran:
Font Sizes

MG,

Yes, I noticed that too... You know what, I guess we need to start using FontMapping in the registry and try and see if a larger font can be set to a smaller size...

Give me fonts that you think are too huge or too tiny and I will do some more checks.

Happy to contribute *something* to the community... :)

Nag
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] 4D3:
Appleflap posted the reg keys involved, maybe PM him and ask him to send them to you.

And you are correct, we could use the cabs to install the font, but at the same time apply a tweak to the reg to size the font properly.

I have lost your email (ive has so many over the last few days i cant keep track!) email me and ill respond with some fonts for your to play with!

MG