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[HD2 General] leoni1980:
"Every Windows Phone 7 Series phone will come with a dedicated hardware button for Bing, providing one-click access to search from anywhere on the phone, while a special implementation of Bing search provides intent-specific results, delivering the most relevant Web or local results, depending on the type of query."
[HD2 General] kdenilson:
whats the purpose to add xbox live onto the home screen ?
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
WM is officially sent out to pasture.

Let it go...move on to the new stuff. Think about all of the WM complaints we don't have to put up with anymore! :o
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Sorry for assuming things based on actual information from official Microsoft press releases. Where's our 'dedicated hardware button for Bing'?

I don't know what your problem is but my points are based on what I've read; yours are based on what you know about Windows Mobile, which is a completely different platform to Windows Phone 7.

Now who's making assumptions?
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
The homescreen is centered around functions we use our phones for on a daily basis and the services offered by WP7. It is not a homescreen of app links.
[HD2 General] sebastianmc:
Lets see what htc will make on wm7. maybe there will be a new Sense...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Your problem is that you're assuming, that, just because every new phone needs a Bing button, old devices can not get an upgrade because of that button requirement.

That assumption is bullcrap. End of story. What you say is complete nonsense, so shut up now.
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
You guys should really check out the videos on gizmodo. The link is on pages 6 or 7 of this thread.

There will be no skinning. This is NOT an upgraded Windows Mobile, it is completely new. The UI is completely owned by MS...it is not up to the hardware developers to beautify it. This was a smart move by MS.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Be nice to have the variety. It seems though that Microsoft are taking a leaf out of the iPhone book in terms of disallowing third party themes and introducing hardware requirements, although I've not heard any OFFICIAL word on this. It kind of makes sense though (no joke intended) as it will ensure a consistency of performance across all devices, which will mean all games and apps run just as smoothly between devices and more developers will move to Microsoft's platform.

I think this would also make each device look a little bit...generic though. I hope the rumours in this instance are untrue as I do actually really like Sense! Perhaps Microsoft will open a few more doors in time.

Overall I'm really excited about this, whether or not it comes to my phone. Has anyone seen the Office hub? Looks really goddamn cool.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
How come none of you have mentioned that HTC managed to release an existing model with a different specification in a different country? If they can sell a HD2 in the US with more rom than the rest of the world,whats stopping them releasing one with a different logo etched/printed on what is the home button on the HD2,like say a search symbol??? I still don't see why some of you have a major hang up over a button , which at the end of the day is simply a switch and nothing more! The button could have a picture of Elvis on it but it'll still only do what the software on the device will let it do and if that software thinks its a search button,thats what it will use it as....Granted,HTC may well not offer 7 as an upgrade for the HD2 (got to remember the potential extra sales after all) but I dont see the lack of a search/bing button picture as a showstopper,even if you do believe in all that nonsense about "STRICT REQUIREMENTS";)
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
Who would do the coding for the remapping of the button?

I think the standards MS put in place are to provide a consistent experience across all Windows Phones...not the inconsistency of Windows Mobile and it's tons of variations.

I'm sure HTC is working on a new WP7 phone now. Why would they cannibalize their new phone sales by making an old phone (HD2 in Dec 2010) run the new stuff? Doesn't make business sense.
[HD2 General] turborider:
ATTENTION:

WINDOWS MOBILE 7 SERIES WOULD NOT SUPPORT 'ADOBE FLASH PLAYER'

look in this video and Play It on 02:39:22 and you see it yourself

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/videogallery.aspx

arggggg i hate windows:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
[HD2 General] votdfak:
If they're going after Apple. Good luck with that!

No way Microsoft can touch Apple's UI.

I've just saw video of hands on... I don't like that scrolling start page...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
What gives you the right to say this? Who exactly do you think you are?

The fact is that Microsoft have OFFICIALLY stated that devices will ALL have a Bing button; you give me short shrift for saying that this makes an upgrade for our devices unlikely yet YOUR points are based on an old OS which Microsoft have moved away from, combined with complete hypothesis with no basis in fact or business sense.

Microsoft have made it very clear that this new OS is a completely new step, encompassing an entirely different ethos: it is for this reason that I have said we are unlikely to receive an upgrade as from a marketing standpoint it would be cludgy and inconsistent as the button layout on the HD2 does not have the uniformity they require for their new OS, nor is there any reason for HTC to pay money out of their own pocket for licensing for a device we have already given them our money for.

I do hope I'm wrong, but please don't be rude to me just because I'm not saying what you want to hear. I think my points are valid and there's no need to be so bombastic just because you develop ROMs. The fact is you know no more than I do about this OS: this Thread is essentially about conjecture based on limited information, so let's just discuss it in those terms shall we?
[HD2 General] bigx86:
IAM pretty sure HTC will not base their decision, about updating the hd2 or not, upon wheter there is a button with bing symbol on it or not...

It will be a pure bussiness decision..and about hacking and porting... I think its better to let this subject be until MIX10, I doubt any of you really knows what Microsoft have in store for the devs...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
This^

Exactly.
[HD2 General] bigx86:
I really dont want to get sucked into your "discussion". But I would like to see an official source, a link maybe ? I think i missed that...
[HD2 General] turborider:
well masterchefs knows better O_o looks on [freyberry] hehe :D
[HD2 General] turborider:
[[steals the cooking book from freyberry]] argg i wish i could make a gr8 rom like yours mate lol :p 'jelous'
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Yeah, I do. I actually know a lot that I won't tell you, cause I'm simply not allowed to. But I will tell you that a button is no freakin' reason not to provide an upgrade. That's a stupid assumption.
[HD2 General] turborider:
people should know that Rule NR1 is 'Do Not Argue With A MasterChef'

they always win no matter what

:D
[HD2 General] corleno:
In the engadget video towards the end the guy says the device runs on Qual Snapdragon Processor.

Doesnt HD2 have the same Processor ?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Not always. But often. :D

Yep, it does. WP7 runs great on the HD2 ;)
[HD2 General] turborider:
well thats close enough hehe:D
[HD2 General] the_ape:
Also correct me if I'm wrong, but the HD2 has got 3 buttons, just it has the dial/hangup ones too, and hey if it has to be branded 'bing' then sure HTC could send out stickers to put over the home key ;)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I think the problem could be that it might not be HTCs decision. Let us imagine that the authorised manufacturers listed by Microsoft have signed a disclaimer stating that they will abide to the spec list created by MS for Windows Phone 7, and that among these requirements with the initial release is that each phone has three buttons with a specific layout. Are HTC likely to drift from these requirements, or plead with Microsoft for a degree of flexibility?

I doubt it.

Again no-one knows what the manufacturers have signed, and how much flexibility there is going to be once the OS moves closer to release, but my point is that based on Microsoft's new outlook with this OS and the facts we DO have to hand it's unlikely.

I'm watching the Press Conference again and SB makes it clear that there is to be a consistent design/hardware experience as the fundamental principal for the end user in WP7, and that they will continue to invest in 6.5.

Remember that HTC have invested millions in the Sense UI. All the marketing for the HD2 shows it in action; it is the HTC's selling point.

Are they REALLY going to not only PAY Microsoft for WP7 licensing for our handsets but also SIMULTANEOUSLY wipe away all that Sense development for a generic WP7 layout?

In some ways Sense IS the HD2.

Is ANYONE on my side here??? Or am I just a bullshitting idiot.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Sorry, man, it's not that I don't like you, but you should just stop making conclusions based on silly assumptions. ;)
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
Heh; not on my HD2, thanks to freyberry. :D
[HD2 General] narta:
Even if HD2 is not OFFICIALY upgraded, the WP7 will come to the device.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are totally right sense is th hd2 and hd2 is the sense i wouldnot have bought hd2 if it hasn't sense ui i would have bought a cheaper device with nearly equal specifications like toshiba or acer f1, but sense ui is the best
[HD2 General] votdfak:
leoni, why don't you just drop it?

we don't know for sure nothing just yet... but it would be such a shame not to have chance to run new OS on HD2... just because it's the best mobile device up to date...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Can we at least agree that it is unlikely that an official upgrade will come to our HD2s??
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I wouldn't say that.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
if we don't get it official we will hard to get it , it will be as hard as porting android to windows mobile as itis a completly new software , maybe it is based on different type of flashing,i don't know but may be .
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I wouldn't say that, either. If nobody leaks the necessary software, it will be pretty much impossible to get it running on the HD2.
[HD2 General] loomx:
Well im loving the look of it, I have always loved the look of the zune interface, the homescreen could do with making look a bit nicer, but I do like the idea of it all being live and updating.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I don't really mind if I have to hack an unofficial WM7 ROM onto my device. I've been tweaking and customising my Windows Mobile phones for years....it would almost be BORING just to have an official upgrade ;-)

I truly hope Freyberry does have information I don't as I would love to put Windows Phone 7 on my phone (if only to fulfil my tweaking desires), all I was trying to put across was that it seems unlikely that any official update is in the pipeline; and I don't say that just to be a miserable cynic but because the information we KNOW seems to cast doubt on it. I've already put forward my points and if people think I'm talking total crap then fair enough but I think based on what we know my conjecture is fair and not set out to insult anyone or hurt their feelings. I'm in the same boat here.

Luckily I love my HD2 as it is so I'm quite happy to wait....who knows I might miss Sense UI even if WP7 DID come out for our devices!
[HD2 General] d4v0r:
HD2 in promo video

I don't know if HD2 will be upgradeable to WM7, but here is a frame from promo video:

I'm pretty sure this is HD2...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Problem is, without someone leaking the necessary stuff, you'll probably not be able to hack it onto your device. But I wouldn't rule out the possibilities of an official upgrade or at least that software getting leaked.
[HD2 General] FoxMcCloud:
Just in case people missed this while they were frothing at the mouth .
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
yes itis hd2
[HD2 General] turborider:
damn,you right mate it is hd2:D
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
So what if it's an HD2, it's just a commercial. They use PROPS for commercials...;)
[HD2 General] corleno:
Wow ok now we have 4 evidence that HD2 will get official WP7 update

1. LOOK AT THE FRIGGIN' PIC

2. The guy at the demo says it runs on qualcomm snapdragon processor

3. T-mobile says we do not know everything about the HD2 yet (tweet)

4. HTC Russia slips out earlier saying yes.
[HD2 General] Diewi:
Great finding. Makes me feel more optimistic towards an upgrade.

But: SE, for example, also played around with wm6.5, but never released an update, only thing we got were parts of a leak.

Please HTC, give us an update.
[HD2 General] BenPope:
Nah, the props argument is valid.

...or a leak.

This whole conversation is conjecture, it's been rather heated and quite unnecessarily. Lets hope that HTC have played or will play with WM7 on the HD2, and that they got/get something working, and that it gets leaked. That seems to be our best chance right now of seeing WM7 on an HD2.
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
Maybe we'll get WP7 in an HD2 Pro or an HD3 :confused:

What does HTC gain by putting it into an already developed and released phone (HD2) a year after WP7's release (late 2010)?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Customer satisfaction. Free upgrades are certainly a reason for Apple's 99% satisfation rate.
[HD2 General] pack21:
Can we make a global petition to HTC, to have a WM7 update to actual HD2?

If they ensure that update, (with a sticker to bing button), HTC would sell bilions of HD2, until new WM7 devices release,

If the HTC dont make that ensure, would have the risk a lot of people will not buy the actual HD2, until the new WM7 device, comes out.

Everybody would be happy, and MS can bury WM6.5 smoothly and without resentment of HTC\WM buyers of 2009\2010.....what's the problem?, just HD2 have the hardware to port the WM7.

I and many other people, bought now an HD2, and will not buy any more equipment this year and next.

HTC has nothing to lose, on the contrary....if they make guys like me (HD2 with a WM7 update user) HTC and WM7 Ambassadors...;);)
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Ouch. Frankly... that hurts.

I'm not at all a fan of that kind of mashup UI. I love Sense, and to me that's what it should have been. W7P seems to be all about a very limited set of tasks aggregated around social networking and stuff that I don't give a damn about.

And to add to it,

So we have no hope of actually getting something different. Sigh...

They didn't even talk or show about the app concept, only core functionality, so it's hard to see what we can expect. So far, it seems that it won't be soon that I'll move away from WM6.5, except that...

That sucks VERY VERY badly. Firstly, the ~8 years of WM development and the great apps it has led to are LOST. Start from scratch again. We're again in the situation with a "dead" platform stuck with limited core funtionality for 2 years until developers start putting out interesting stuff for it.

But where it sucks even more, is that from today on WM6.5 is pretty much dead. Who's going to continue developing apps for something that will disappear in 6 months? So those who will decide to stay with WM6.5 will have to do with what they have now...

I also can't help but feel sorry for some at this point, like Schaps who's about to release something great after years of development... 3 months before the whole platform is wiped.

W7P sucks.

Hopefully by the time I need a new phone android will be mature enough, seeing as after 2 years it only just begins getting decent apps...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I would agree with that. It's nice that if you buy an iPhone you KNOW that it's still going to be a valid and upgradable device two years down the line. This is partly because Apple calls the shots rather than the vendors (as is the case with Symbian devices where after a generic update is released a branded device can expect to wait MONTHS before the network allows it to be released.)

The one thing I resent about HTC devices (and others to a great extent) is that once all the promotional material is forgotten so is the device, and it is down to forums like this to keep these devices ticking over. I think Microsoft's approach of introducing stricter standards for WP7 is very good in the long term as it could spell greater longevity for our devices. Maybe we'll have to 'jailbreak' our WP7 phones as iPhone users do in order to get themes and mods on there but if my experience out of the box is superb and consistantly upgradable OTA then I will be happy to wait for the mods to crack it open :-)
[HD2 General] eskasi:
I would buy one... I like the interface... as long as the hardware is sexy and the apps are available... However, I am gonna miss the ability to tinker with my phone which is the whole reason why I bought a WM phone and follow this website so often....

I believe at some point, the gurus here are gonna be able to strip away at the OS and allow us to do more with it. How much and what remains to be seen.... its happened to the Android and to some extent jailbreaking Iphones. However, I see very little ability to skin the UI. Fortunately, I like it anyway.... this might not be so for others... I will miss adding my personal touches to differentiate myself from the masses.... its one of the things I HATED about the Iphone with a passion... may as well be Isheep

I need to know a few things though... multitasking.... still no idea on that...and app support.... if it can't multitask, then its a crying shame.... if it does not have a decent app base and current devs won't update their apps to support this.... it wont work either...
[HD2 General] umiss:
Dunno if this was posted as I just got home from school and am too tired to look through all the pages, but here u go:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-G188tmhFU
[HD2 General] rjstep3:
As I understand the reports as they are coming out, MS is going the Apple route in mandating certain hardware requirements - one of them is the use of only three buttons. The HD2 has four, so it will fall outside a 7 upgrade as I see it.

rjstep3
[HD2 General] KB24@CL:
its way too early to already freak out about windows phone 7 series...calm down a little bit

aweful name BTW

anyway, its FINALLY the fresh start and the revamped os as everyone here has been hoping for AGES. It looks incredibly simple and clean...I would call it "intuitive" for now...navigating through the menus seemed like a breath of fresh air...it was finally lively...FINALLY is the word that comes to my mind...

microsoft has always been in the "hunter" role lately...finally its time they take a different direction and if successful others will have to adjust to the new "standard"...

also, we have no idea yet how "customizable" this os will be, so stop going bananas without any knowledge...there will be widgets integrated and I'm sure HTC is going to somehow integrate sense in this like they did with Android and former builds...they don't have to necessarily cover the ENTIRE os but I'm pretty sure there will be optionally useful stuff from sense...

first impression: I applaud microsoft for finally going into attack mode and trying something really NEW.

my concerns right now are

1. it is really something for people who are into networking...if you are not so much into networing, then the real value of the 7 series won't show for you.

2. x-box live integration...I really don't think that people around the world care too much about this ish...I've been a playstation guy myself forever and I don't see switching anytime soon...also "older" customers aren't into gaming and certainly don't give a damn about this. might even be annoying to a degree if you can't completely shut it down.

what am I now waiting for? to see how they want to "develop" the platform...how many apps? what about security in terms of my data's but also how much we can "tweak" the os....another important thing is how customizable it will be...everyone who has a windows phone enjoys tweaking and modding it...how much individuality is microsoft going to allow? what type of widget integration are are going to see?

anyway, at this point I'm very happy to see something new...that was what I wanted to see...this is iphone new...this is webos new...this feels completely different....and for now thats a huge advantage for microsoft...its not an iphone os wannabe...its dynamic instead of static...

microsft gets a great B+ from me.
[HD2 General] Qoroite:
Have to say, so far I don't particularly like the UI and don't give a toss about x-box live.

I'm quite happy to stay on 6.5.5; that might change once we get more info on it though.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Microsoft have HAD to make this change. We can all see that the current standard is getting tired and people are moving on. As Android and iPhone OS have begun to improve business customers have been moving away from the Windows Mobile platform.

All the tweaking and customisation in the world can't make up for ease and pleasure of use, and unfortunately it's been left to HTC to help out Microsoft in this respect for the past few years. Just try using standard Windows Mobile with no multitouch and the ugly UI for a week and you start to realise how much of a patched up mess the OS has become. Even some of the best Apps in the Windows Marketplace are jerky and unfriendly compared to apps available on rival OS. I think if the WP7 UI is as good as Sense but at one and the same time is built from the ground up to fully utilize the powerful hardware then we are in for a treat. We already have a massive community here to work on patching extra features in there and much as I have a fondness for the Windows Mobile we know today there is just NO WAY it can exist in this form any longer.

Microsoft have made a bold but entirely necessary step, and I'm excited about it :-)
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
^^^

+1 :)
[HD2 General] firaX:
This will not come for any phone that's out right now, i am sure. Read through the "four reasons for an upgrade" etc but really...

1.) This release is too big and too important to be a simple upgrade. It will RELAUNCH MS mobile platform and is really different from WM6. It was evident that the rumors were true: No more traditional WM programs, no more cab installs etc. WM6 was "Desktop like" this is really a phone with combined functions of everything, but no real "OS" it seems. It would make no sense to upgrade anything when you can launch a whole series of new WM7 phones for Xmas season.

2.) The HD2 is build around Sense. What will be left of Sense in WM7 is maybe the weather tab. The rest is simply not required. "HTC Sense" is even printed on the back of the HD2, they won't just radically change the OS..in WM7 MS does so much on their own, the whole cover up made by HTC for WM6.5 would just get in the way.

3.) Hardware buttons etc: The HD2 does not sport the required design. Yes it has more than 3 buttons, but none of them is a "search button".

4.) If they wanted to offer an upgrade they would have announced the HD2 as "first WM7 phone". They did not. They did not even use the HD2 as a demo phone! Yes the hardware will possibly be on the same level but still put in a different chassis.

Sucks for us! Then again, WM7 does seem unlikely to be as customizable as WM6.5. I doubt the whole rom cooking process will even be sensible. It looks too standardized, too locked down. It is truly following Apple's philosophy. You don't see cooked iphone roms floating around :/. So i also doubt we will get this running on our HD2 in form of a "hack". But we will see! For people who liked the WM7 demo: I would hold off on buying any phone right now.
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
We should all be singing "Ding Dong the Wicked Witch is Dead".

Glad MS is starting over from scratch. The HD2 will be old hardware when WP7 is released, so I don't get all the fuss about upgrading it.
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
Mmmm, no. They've had to make

a

change, due to poor choices, bad marketing, delays, etc. in the past. That's all on them, as is this seemingly poor choice as well.

They'll ultimately pay the price. :D