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[HD2 General] CromeX:
Great

Gee Wow.. it looks awesome can't wait....

Anyone have any idea on the release date??

<Ponder what it would be like on the Topaz :)>
[HD2 General] HSKalay:
I liked it. Looking forward to see it on working models.
[HD2 General] cicas:
Winmo7

I think the guys at Microsoft has finally done some justice to the OS, I will definately go for it. Have you guys looked closely at the AD? it looks like HD2 used in disguise to promote the OS.

Will we ever see it in our HD2???

Cicas

HD2

TG01

Touch
[HD2 General] Panoratrix:
Here some toughts:

1-For those who are stucked on the specifications: I seriously doubt that MS requires that all the phones have to have those high end specs. Think of it: it would cut out a big part of the possible users. They are definetly targeting a broader audience than just professional users, and I doubt that a student or a normal user are going to spend that kind of money (HD2 for instance has a quite high price) So I belive that there will be different possibilities on different kind of machines, even lower end.

2-Same as above for the 3 buttons. And as I already posted in another thread, MS does not produce mobile phones, only OS. Therefore, they cannot expect producers to all have the same hardware, it would be kind of stupid.

3-I don't belive it will be an official upgrade of the HD2 to WP7. At least not for free. Neverthless I believe someone will be able to port the new OS to the HD2. The only thing is, the OS is not going to be on the market before this fall, and by then I believe a lot of people will consider to switch to a new phone. I don't believe HTC and other hardware producers are going to use the same phones with small changes, rather they will build specific phones that will be more efficent/consistent with the OS.

4-I peronally think the OS is great. Is clean and exactly what I have been hoping for. Except for the home screen, wich is not exactly what I expected. I think there there is a lot of room for improvement. But I definetly like the seamless experience. I just hope that when the OS hit the market, it will run as smoothly as on the demo, 'cause that's what we saw yesterday.

5-I personally use a lot the phone in my job, I'm always around, and the possibility to navigate, read&answer emails, send sms and maybe listen to music all at the same time is really valuable to me. So I hope there will be a sort of "multitasking". I want to be able to swap between applications without having to close one or the other.

I don't compare WP7 with WM 6.5.X, 'cause for me they are two completely different OS, but I can say that, if the final product is as good as they showed us in the demo, I will buy a WP7 mobile, even though I'm more than satisfied with the HD2.

As mention before, these are just thoughts, my opinions and I don't mean to offend anyone :)
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13384

if this is to be believed then I dont think we have any worries at all, if current winmo 6 apps will run on 7 with small UI change then we should be able to as much tweaking as before. I actually like the new UI but I would like to be able to get under it to tweak, this may well be possible.
[HD2 General] balendra68:
----and how do I dial a number which is not in my phonebook.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
I see the new ui as a step towards what MS must see as the future, , simple panel front end leading to wide virtual desktop style panels viewed through a tall, narrow viewport, with left/right swipe scrolling.

After all, the human eyes process far better left/right than up/down, makes sense to lose as much of teh scrolling down normally found in uis as possible.

Wouldn't be at all surprised to see that being rolled out in public area access touch enabled screens and interfaces over the next few years.
[HD2 General] mgla:
Hmmmm, anyone seen this tweet:

I guess something will be revealed next month at MIX10.
[HD2 General] jakomimi:
Dear Mr. Jakomimi, Thank you for your reply, There is no confirmation yet that there will be an upgrade to WM 7. Please check our website for the latest updates. HTC strives customer satisfaction and we are dedicated to providing you with the best quality service and answering all of your questions and concerns. Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline. Best Regards, HTC Team http://www.htc.com

:mad::mad::mad:
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You could also write it like this:

There is no confirmation yet that there will be an upgrade to WM 7.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I like this version...

There is no confirmation yet that there will be an upgrade to WM 7.
[HD2 General] rjstep3:
I hate to jump in, but aren't we missing the obvious?

The HD2 has been a well received phone in the press, but from what I see it hasn't sold vast numbers, largely because it is WinMo. If its OS has been some flavour of Android, it would have flown out of the shops.

That being so, it is highly unlikely we would get a free upgrade, and HTC (not being stupid) is hardly likely to offer an charged-for upgrade unless it thinks there is sufficient call for it to show a profit. Given that xda is perfectly capable of doing upgrading for free, and given that HTC makes its markup on making new devices, I think we can scratch any idea of any sort of upgrade, free or otherwise.

However, as far as I am concerned, the HD2 works very well just as it is. I don't have a need for WP7, as the current device loaded with my favourite apps works just fine. Why move at the moment to the new OS, since there is no guarantee just now that there will be plenty of apps for the new platform when it is launched.

rjstep3
[HD2 General] panikiniki:
Windows Phone 7 series

He guys,

What we have seen sofar is just a Zune presentation with some minor smartphone abilities. There is certainly more to come as the title says it all.

Just saw the HTC HD2 mini being presented in Barcelona this certainly tells me there will be different Windows phone 7 series to accomodate such smaller devices.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Google Nexus One has been received hysterically well just like everything Google by the press, and not only by tech sites, but also by mainstream. And it was a complete blunder in terms of sales. The reason is? Not WinMo for sure.
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
20 points to mister Molyneux for the most hilarious comment today. ;)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Nice one. You're a genius :D
[HD2 General] jakomimi:
me 2!! Bravo!
[HD2 General] derScheich:
really, there will be? AWESOME!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i got the same answer now form htc uk (not confirmed yet)
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
Are you guys sure????

What I see is this:

There is no confirmation yet that there will be an upgrade to WM 7.

:D
[HD2 General] derScheich:
seriously, I bet some random blogger reads the latest 10 posts, really thinks this is true and spreads the news :D
[HD2 General] chris5932:
your right ;)

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13395
[HD2 General] derScheich:
obviously shopped -.-
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Sure... proof? Anyway, doesn't matter whether this is real or not, I know WP7 runs on the HD2.
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
Wait a Minute.....

There is ..... confirmation ...... that there will be an upgrade to WM 7.
[HD2 General] _tangent:
I agree entirely with this.

I was quite impressed with the 7 demo. I imagine the vast majority of third party apps will also come with their own tile support, so you can plug them into the homescreen when and if appropriate. It's a nice idea.

It will indeed be a shame if the platform becomes less open/more locked down like the iphone OS, but i can understand why MS would go down this route. It makes the experience easier to standardise - which makes quality easier to control - and therefore easier to sell. Flexibility more often than not comes at the expense of ease of use and stability.

That said, i think we should reserve judgement. An intelligently designed platform should be able to support many degrees of user competency - quick and easy access to core functionality for the noob/casual user, but greater complexity and functionality for expert users prepared to drill down to a lower level. The latter isn't headline grabbing though, so i wouldn't expect it to be discussed at a launch press event like that. What they're really trying to do is tempt iphone/android users with a really innovative, attractive, connected user experience. The bulk of the market are not people like us!

I actually rather value the user-experience stuff myself. I think how we interact with technology and devices is incredibly important, and when done well, can really save us all time and frustration. I just hope that, in the case of WM7P, this doesn't come at the expense of the more sophisticated features of the OS. MS has done it with the desktop win7, imo, so lets hope they can do it here too, and keep everyone happy. Personally, i'm prepared to give them the benefit of the doubt.
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
WHATTTTTT???????

Can you confirm that please? Dont be Cruel to us ...... please!!!!!
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I can confirm that it runs on the HD2.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
do you have the ROM? if so will you consider sharing it?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I don't have it.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
I'm sure it does :)

To me it is obviously shopped since every footage showing WP7 does not have a wallpaper on the home screen.. Even the hands-on videos on youtube.. Plus the connection tile is new to me, and can only be found on this single picture.. And it has the same ugly icons that are on wm 6.x
[HD2 General] _tangent:
Doesn't look it to me. Not hard to believe really. The HD2 is currently the most powerful windows mobile phone, and the most like an iphone (albeit a faster, more attractive, better screened version). If you wanted to run WM7P on a current model, the HD2 is an obvious choice.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Microsoft has confirmed officially that you can change the wallpaper.

Moreover, everything there is translated to Dutch. This is too perfect...
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
What about the above from you earlier on?
[HD2 General] derScheich:
Hmm.. you have a point there.. In case this is real, it must have been leaked somehow.. and make its way to us :D
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
And the above....
[HD2 General] freyberry:
That's true. It does run on the HD2. I always said that. But without someone leaking the necessary stuff or an official upgrade, we won't be able to put it on the HD2.
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
Where is the proof or at least the pointer to that allegation......:mad:
[HD2 General] freyberry:
There is no proof. Believe it or not. I know that I'm saying the truth, sorry for those who don't believe me.

Here you see it running on the HD2. If that's not enough, well, sorry.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
/ wmpoweruser

if this was shown off on MWC, how come there is only that pic? im quite confused right now.... was it on MWC or from somewhere in nl?
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
ok JESUS, we believe you.

By the way something interesting i noted with the new hTC devices unveiled at MWC today have the Search button. All except the HD2 Mini. What that mean? The Legend and the Desire might be Winmo 6.5 for now but there appears to be a conspiracy here between MS and hTC. Conspiracy against HD2 even.

So whats Jesus, sorry Freyberry gotta say about that? :p
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Somewhere in NL... it says T-Mobile NL.
[HD2 General] turborider:
Microsoft sets stringent requirements for Windows that the new phones, yesterday advertised Phone Windows 7 Series to run.

Snap Dragon 1 GHz CPU, minimal amount of internal memory, capacitive touchscreen WVGA .... specifications that the HTC HD2 happy all in house.

The HTC HD2 by the book would therefore be eligible for the Series 7 Phone Windows upgrade later this year (September).

The good news is that at least two together! it is a "preliminary / early early" build, but het werkt best aardig, it works rather nice, at least to Microsoft yesterday in Barcelona to the audience showed.

Here is a photo of the HTC Phone HD2 what Windows 7 Series runs.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
you know both of them are android devices, right? that's why the have the search button
[HD2 General] firaX:
Some detail to add to this: MS said they would, on WM7, develop drivers themselves. On WM6.5. the OEM would license or develop the drivers (HTC , Toshiba etc, cf. differences in GPU Performance for example).

Now if MS develops drivers it might be true that WM7 could quite easily run on the HD2. The WM7 devices coming in December will not be more powerful than the HD2, prob the snapdragon chipset will remain, therefore with a more universal driver approach (i.e. WM7 having a set of drivers built in similar to Windows on PC) an official Rom made for a different phone might run without issues. Just my thoughts.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Well remember, there were two phones tagged as the flagship WP7S launch series phones a month back, it was a LG and a HTC IIRC. They weren't specced TOO much higher than the HD2.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
If what I have seen so far is any indication it's not something I will lose sleep over. Decidedly unimpressed.
[HD2 General] PlayStation:
My bad! Yes sorry if both Legend and Desire are Android phones. But all the buttons like the doctor ordered has me thinking......
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Reminds me a bit of PointUI. Sort of.

http://www.pointui.com/
[HD2 General] derScheich:
the picture above this post is proven to be a fake.
[HD2 General] jakomimi:
I believe so... :D

http://pocketnow.com/software-1/htc-hd2-seen-running-windows-phone-7-very-very-good-news
[HD2 General] jakomimi:
and who proved it? :confused:
[HD2 General] corleno:
You are mistaken it's impossible to get the light over the bezel through the screen.

And if you notice , the grains are also perfect. Clearly this one is not fake.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/b4593f8/

and even if this does not prove it.. making up a pic of WP7 and display it in fullscreen on the hd2 isn't that hard to do, is it? :rolleyes:

I don't believe them until there is a video.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
So, they are announcing the fact that, a month from now, they may or may not make an announcement. Does anyone else feel this somewhat redundant information?
[HD2 General] CbsTau:
WM7 Detailed demo - HTC Recommended

The official HTC Twitter feed yesterday pointed to this link for a detailed live demo of Windows 7 (22 minutes). It is really worth the watch.

http://ow.ly/17DbC

Or alternatively directly from MSDN

http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/LauraFoy/First-Look-Windows-Phone-7-Series-Hands-on-Demo/

What does this mean for the future of HTC Sense??? It seems to incorparate much of what Sense was trying to do on WM6x...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Surely this is definitive proof?
[HD2 General] derScheich:
No, in fact I don't see anything in this visualization.. but there are people who do, and according to them this photo may have been shopped.. But even if not, as I said, mocking up a pic of WP7/Android/Iphone OS /whatever, showing it in fullscreen on the HD2 and taking a picture of it is not that hard to do ;)
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
I may have spoken too soon when I posted that ELA. Here are legit pics from mwc showing similar levels:

http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/c83d598/

http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/1a42131/
[HD2 General] derScheich:
Yes, thought so. they'll just have taken a screenshot of WP7, displayed it in fullscreen on the HD2 and made a pic of it.
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
At least until dual core phones are the norm, this is probably true. It is the main reason why a slower core on the iPhone seems snappy, and I am reasonably sure that Apple will bring dual core to the new iPhone 4 before anyone else does.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
how would you exactly do that without a single screenshot available that is similar to the pic? at least i didn't see any.
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
Fact is:

There is NO official screenshoot of WP7 in dutch so these image cant be a pic in fullscreen on the hd2...

Even there is NO screen of this older Build... (i think its an older build because it doesnt have zune-features functionable)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
It's not hard to hash together a jpeg and display it through the photo viewer in full screen. This screenshot is balderdash anyway: 'SMS' is called 'Text' on WP7 and there is very little likelihood that they would allow pre-release ROMs to include TomTom: the SDK hasn't even been released yet, and why would they be running third-party software when they haven't even finished off the OS yet? Also why would you have a whole panel dedicated to your signal? This is absolute bollocks. We should wait for a video.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
Right, changing the texts is clearly impossible. There might be a chance of there would exist some kind of photo-editing software, but who are we kidding? This will never be invented :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
Pardon my skepticism, but Dutch is such an arcane language (spoken only by 20million) that it's hard to believe a prototype would have been made in Dutch.

Sorry Dutchies (sorry hoor, Nederlanders!) :D
[HD2 General] shu8i:
in the article it says that the OS is multilang. so it wouldn't be particulary for dutch people...
[HD2 General] StrangeReality:
Easily could be a picture viewed on the HD2...
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
I could see 'em doing the 5 major languages (English, German, Italian, French, Spanish), but all the 'boutique' languages as well?? I'd rather have the extra ROM space. ;)
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
i think the same languages which are on Windows...

languages are not really great on disc space...

a komplete translation of Windows 7 is 200MB i think...

so i think on a mobily OS it is like 10MB maximum...

100MB if there are 10 languages (i dont know how much exactly :D)...

so enough place for the rest :D
[HD2 General] freyberry:
100MB is A LOT on a device that only has 512MB.
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
this depends on the size of the OS itself...
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
The new Windows Omnia has all languages preinstalled, for what it's worth.
[HD2 General] Lukasss:
Hey guys,

I read most of the 30+ pages, haven't seen this link being posted. Nothing new, same pic, and speculation. I was asking myself; maybe the upgrade will be available only to US customers because of the RAM issue (I know it's only the ROM, not the hardware, but still)... The european commission really skrewed MS with penalties and demands for N-versions of their desktop OS's, so maybe there is something similar happening here?

All speculations, thinking out loud... I really like the UI tho.

LINK

Grtz

Lukas
[HD2 General] jakomimi:
and now something completely different :)

http://pocketnow.com/rumor/htc-hd2-shown-in-windows-phone-7-promo-video
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Old news. Yes, that's the HD2. No, it is not shown running WP7.

There are actually two phones in that video.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
windows 7 occupies less memory than windows vista also it is better and contains more things , may be wp7 occupies less memory than wm6.5 if it is well programmed
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
I hope that is true, but the UI sucks, IMO, and it seems that Sense is not a part of the equation anymore.

"We have dramatically changed our approach to the user experience with Windows Phone 7 Series and are taking accountability for the entire experience. That means YOU WILL NOT SEE LAYERS BUILT ON TOP OF THE UI by OEMs or MOs which have historically led to confusion and performance issues. OEMs or MOs can customize the experience to bring their world class brands and services to the forefront. Additionally, they can innovate in the HW design and we feel confident that our OEM partners will take advantage of this."
[HD2 General] eskasi:
I dont care... but I MUST have swype input and RSS feeder! If it does not play .avi files like Coreplayer, it is also a no-go... My wife needs her Skype too....

If they don't sort out their app store, this is doomed to fail....
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
It's quite obvious that RSS and Video (avi) playback will be at the heart of the phone - it does integrate zune functionality after all.

Further, since it seems they are throwing out backwards compatibility, I'm sure they will build a new app store, hopefully a bit more robust than the current one.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It's actually not that obvious given that Zune HD can't play .avi (as in xvid/divx) video.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
It CAN play xvid as of last month. But I see your point.
[HD2 General] spoogedemon:
the hd2 doesn´t have an search-button, so i have in mind, that windows phone 7 will never be official available for the hd2. :(
[HD2 General] Zmaz1ng:
haha silly boy :D

the search button is nothing special ,just a button ;)

i think the hd2 has enough buttons.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Good answer. :D

A button is not a reason... silly those who think it is. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] spoogedemon:
for sure, but ms have a strong template for the hardware-design of the phones, which will have windows phone 7.

but let´s hope, the hd2 will be the only wm6.5 device, which get an update.
[HD2 General] mynamesteve:
I know its all speculation atm but you cant deny it looks pretty locked down. The reason i started off on the windows mobile road was because of my love for customization and variety.

7 looks quite bland and all MASSIVE text scrolling offscreen like i pinch zoomed to far lol i understand where microsoft are going just fingers crossed they dont take this playground fight with apple to far and forget about real true windows mobile user.

Sorry but not for me i hope 6.5 lives a lengthy life and the awsome chiefs keep cooking long time :)
[HD2 General] leftkats:
thats what i was thinking... but how long this "long time" would go before we have an ancient device with no apps around :(
[HD2 General] TheChozen:
Sense vs tiles & hubs

...I can clearly imagine what HTC can do with their own designed "Tiles" and "Hubs" for WP7? All the elements from Sense can be used in the WP7 "homepage".

I cannot wait to see what they've got up in their sleeve :)
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
A couple of years. Maybe three or four if you're a type who can tolerate devices until they fall apart...
[HD2 General] mynamesteve:
its not the apps im fussed about although i can see the app store making or breaking them in the market there heading in to, its the whole customization / choice aspect.

Im positive 7 will be ripped apart when it finally gets here it would be foolish to think otherwise,(just look at apple constantly trying to lock there handset down but dedicated devs

show them the middle finger)

i just hope by the time i upgrade some genius has cracked it lol

ive grown up with windows hell i started on 3.1 and i love the task manager / know whats goin on aspect its what makes it. i dont want microsoft to decide thats apples job lol
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
look at this photo i found it on the web but i think it is fake it is for toshiba
[HD2 General] theredundant:
you prolly loaded up that pictured from somewhere into your phone. full screened it and took a screenshot heheh
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
this could be IF such a picture exists from WP7...

do you know one picture where are green hubs???
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
No videos, no thing confirmed videos is the evidense
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
thats right...

i dont know why there are only pics and no video...

a 5 secound vid couldnt be such a problem...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Live Stream here: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/liveEvent.aspx

Starts in 10 minutes!

But I heard they were just going to broadcast Rick Astley at 3pm and then let the world know that there was no WM7 and in fact, they were going to quit the phone business... :D
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
You mean like this: The live stream has started.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Heh, classic, , never gets old
[HD2 General] janne303:
http://www.windowsphone7series.com/
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
"...Every windows 7 series phone will have 3 buttons..." - HD2 does not have 3 buttons. :/