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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
I am having problems reverting back to WM after attempting to install android to NAND. Something happened where the only way I was able to get to the android installer would be if I had the KAISDIAG.nbh file on the SD card so it would get past the tri color hard spl screen . Well as a result, I can't get into boot loader. It shows that screen for a split second, then if I do camera + power and then reset. Then I have to pull the battery. Can someone help me? It seems like it will only go into the Android bootloader, which obviously won't allow it to install a WM rom. SD flashes are my only choice because the usb port is pretty messed up. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
The procedure for flashing WM back using SD card is much the same as flashing the Nand bootloader for Android.

First get a WM rom, copy the RUU_Signed.nbh to SD card, rename it to KAISimg.nbh, pull the battery, replace, press power and hold camera button, this should start the flash process.

Note that the SD card must be formatted FAT32, or it will not find the KAISimg.nbh.

If you prefer to flash a stock rom you will usually have to extract the RUU_Signed.nbh from the installer, just open it in winrar.

the reset in android is not working correctly. The correct way to get into bootloader is to pull the battery, wait a few minutes, rpelace the battery, press power and then press and hold camera button, do not use reset.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
Thanks, but unfortunately this still did not work. Have any other suggestions? I think the only way will it even do anything is if I have the KAISDIAG.nbh file on the card. It recognizes that, but then goes straight to linux. IDK what else to do. Could you be a little more clear on the procedure for getting into the bootloader? Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Ok please follow these steps carefully.

1. Format the SD card, make sure you are formatting it as FAT32, not FAT.

2. Download a Winmo Rom from somewhere handy.

3. Extract the Rom to a handy folder, find the RUU_Signed.nbh file, rename that to KAISimg.nbh

4. Copy the KAISimg.nbh file to the SD card. You should only have one file on the SD card, no folders just the NBH file.

5. pull the battery from the phone, wait at least 5 minutes.

6. Replace the battery. Press Power button, and hold down camera button, until the tri color screen appears.

7. The screen should now change to a white one, and when it's checked the nbh it will ask you to press power key again. do that.

8. Now it should flash the rom, this should take a while, 5-10 minutes, once it's finished you should get a message of success.

9. Now pull the battery again, wait 5 minutes, replace the battery, and power on, you should now boot into Winmo.

Hopefully this should solve your problems, if not then let me know which setp failed and we can work on that stage.

Finally, don't panic, take it slow, it'll all work out :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
Thanks, but the problem starts at number 6. I am supposed to press the power button, release it, and hold the camera button till it gets to the white screen, right? It's still stuck at the splash screen. I tried holding both and that didn't work either. Anything else I can try? I hope i'm not screwed? :eek:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
If I put the battery in, boot it up, then push the camera and insert the stylus into the reset hole, it gets to the tricolor screen, then for about 0.5sec it flashes the white screen with a message saying "No image File." I know for sure the .nbh file is there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
I have experienced this before, when I tried to use an SD card that was formatted FAT, when formatting you must make sure it is formatted FAT32, the bootloader cannot read FAT formatted SD cards, even if Winmo and Android can.

I format using a card reader, and in windows it is sometimes easy to overlook the file system type, most SD cards are usually formatted FAT when they are new, and you must change the formatting, or it will just format FAT again.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
Unfortunately, as much as I wish it was, it is not the problem. I'm on a Mac, but booted windows 7 to be make sure it was formatted to FAT 32, which it was. Is there some way I can fix permissions? Every time it runs, I keep getting the error saying that it is in read only mode. I obviously need to get it into writing mode. I don't think the fix permissions option on the installer did anything either.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
The eclair build still will not install on my phone. I changed to an earlier .nbh file and now don't need the KAISDIAG.nbh file to get out of the splash screen and into the installer. When I run the install command for NAND, it says it can't mount, "no such file exists", "failed to extract." Keep in mind I haven't even gotten Android installed to NAND, just the installer itself. I can't even go back to WinMo either. It also seems like a permissions error since I believe it said the SD card is read only, but when plugged into my computer I fixed that and now it is read-write, but not on the phone. Please help because I really want to either get this working, or get back to WinMo instead of have this useless phone I currently have. Thanks.

Is there a way to enter the command line from the installer screen?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jonahs:
Alright, I'll try and sum up your experiences. Tell us if we're missing anything;

You have the following symptoms

Linux Android-installer works

Tri-color bootloader semi-works

You cannot use the USB

You cannot install polymod's Eclair build

Now, you have mentioned a couple of things you have tried, such as

Replacing the Linux NBH with another version

Fixing permissions on the SD-card

Fixing permissions through the Android-installer

Flashing a WinMO ROM through SD card

You did mention getting other behaviours when you switched to another NBH, such as "KAISDIAG.nbh" not being required.

Now, this is a long shot coming from me, as I have had no troubles with flashing, and the fact that I can use my USB, but since your phone is pretty messed up I guess it can't hurt as a suggestion;

You can flash to other NBH's I take it, as you mentioned you did a downgrade. What I'm a bit curious about is whether you did try to flash to a WinMO rom when you had downgraded to your current NBH.

Also, you said the previous NBH required you to have "KAISDIAG.nbh" on the card to even get working. Did you try and rename a WinMO-ROM's NBH to "KAISDIAG.nbh" and flash that? Might be that the flasher is really constrictive with the file names.

EDIT: Oh, and what about trying to run other Eclair builds? Just to see if you can nail it down to this being a problem of the builds or something more bound to the actual hardware/SPL/NBH's.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
Yes pretty much all of this is correct. I didn't really downgrade anything because I was only able to flash the .nbh from the polymod rom, get to the android installer, then it failed. I've tried other androidinstall.tar and .tgz files , but they all lead to an error saying they don't exist eventhough they are clearly on the card an in an andboot folder. I even put them on the root of the SD and it did nothing. The KAISDIAG.nbh file I initially used because the phone would get stuck at the boot screen, and this was the only way to get past it, so I thought it was an HSPL problem. Turns out it was actually a defective .nbh file from the Polymod Eclair build. After using a different one, I no longer needed the KAISDIAG.nbh file to get past the boot screen. I have tried Win Mo ROMS, but can never get to the white screen to flash because with the power + camera + reset method, it gets to the tri-color screen then flashes the white screen for 0.5 seconds and says something like "no data image" or something like that. It goes away so fast it's hard to decipher. Then the tri-color screen says USB on the bottom and I have to take the battery out to get out of the tricolor screen.

I really appreciate your help, and hopefully we get this working. Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] smiths429:
Apologies if someone said this already.

You don't need to touch your SD card.

Just turn off you phone and then turn it back on. As soon as you see your phone booting, press the down volume button.

Then just click on the RUU__whatever file name.exe and run the program as normal.
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] Alharazi:
Gents,

could you please advise if you have any full them for windows 7 for x1
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] iamarock:
Hello Guys

I have read in several threads about "run a logcat" in order to find out the reason of some issues like bootloops when installing a ROM, etc..

The main problem is that I don´t know how to do that. Maybe is already explained in other threads, but I wasn´t able to find out any reference...

Many thanks in advance

Rgds
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] tepic:
Start > Run > cmd

cd to AndroidSDK\tools

adb logcat
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] trevorwhopkins:
Just figured I'ld post this to weigh in.

I love WM. The TP was actually my first WMPhone and I really loved customizing it, ROMs, and in general HTC as a company. Easy tethering, tons of detail, thousands of programs. I hated the TP battery, waited six months for the TP2 to finally come out and changed to Tmo just to not wait anymore. Obviously, I'm a (relatively new) fan.

However, in all my reading and browsing, and mixing and matching Roms and programs, I got annoyed with the endless glitches. It seemed customizing was a chore to fill gaps half the time. And so I waited to hear about WP7.

On a random decision, after loading DualBoot and Android on my TP2, I bought a Nexus One just to have the Snapdragon and multitouch (HD2 announced for Tmo like 3 days later lol). But I kept my ears open for WP7 and totally expected to move back in October.

I know you guys are all WinMo, but to be honest this has to be a common feeling. Look how popular Android on TP has become. We have been looking for something, but wanting it to be windows.

So, the point: my experience.

A.) the nexus one has made me sorely miss a keyboard. However other than that I actually like it. The battery is at least equal to TP2. Things that are chores on WMo are easy on Android, like Fbook integration of contacts and maintaining stability. Having several open programs is such a non-issue battery wise and slowdown wise that there isnt even a freaking task manager or close program button. You have to download a program, and its not that common. You just leave everything open. Zero slowdown. Same battery, more or less. I don't think its superior to WM, more like a close cousin that doesnt share the bad family traits. In the present climate, Android is very similar to WM.

B.) and now the hard part. WP7 looks nice. Looks great actually. Devices will surely be as cool as always. But set aside your loyalty and look: what do you tell your friends you like about WM, why you stay with it? Customization. Open program downloading and creation. EFFORTLESS MULTITASKING. Endless differentiation between companies, UI's, and phones. Where the $%^& is what we love in WP7? Complicated, apparently limited, multitasking that sounds too much like Iphone. Closed development. Limited, almost meaningless so far, customization. Closed App environment. The best anyone can come up with so far about differentiation is adding freaking keyboards and hardware colors. Does anyone now wonder why HTC started shifting more support, and Sense, to Android?

As much as I hate to say it, I will probably stick with Android unless WP7 pulls something great out. It looks great, but so does the Iphone and that is not something I consider wanting. My nexus one has everything I love about htc, and adds in perfect stability and customization. Hardly anyone bothers posting apps online, but only because the Market lets basically anything in! Tethering apps, rooting apps, whatever. Let's face it: Microsoft appears to be spurning its loyal fanbase. And Google is waiting with open arms.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] burtonsnow8:
WP7 does not appeal to me at this time with its current UI. They should have hired SPB mobile shell to create their UI.

I like most droid devices (not the motodroid) and the OS is extremely responsive and easy to understand. Haven't done any detailed work w/ the andoird OS, but WinMo customization is what keeps me here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dik23:
I agree Trev.

I believe the software industry, much like the music and film (big and small screens) industries, is changing. Open source is the way forwards as people are more able to communicate with each other the need for centralised programming is going to more and more take a back seat.

This means margins will be cut and I'll be supprised if MS, being such a large organisation will be able to keep up. Maybe this the reason for the speculation on WM7 being locked down, so they can have a greater control over revenues. I've read an article which mentioned that MS consider Linux to be a virus that gets into profitable areas of business and destroys the margins. That attitude won't get them anywhere.

I don't think WM7 will have anything new. MS are in the business of preserving what they have and not winning new customers. WM7 will be safe, not amazing.

Android is new so nothing is set in stone. It will be more flexible, open to new ideas and will grow it's market share. They let pretty much anything into their app store which will allow anyone to have a go, not just a centralised "elite". This will help to keep it new too because it's not just the same people going through the motions because it pays the bills. The is what keeps this forum alive.

The MS business model is dying and being replaced with something that's better for the consumer. Much like the short haul airline industry changed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imeraz:
Absolutely right! Wouldn't surprise me if google is working on an OS for the pc. If they are I would be scared if I were MS.

On another note, i'm not sure what people mean when they compare winmo to android customization. You can customize android just as much as you can custimize winmo. Do these people ever visit the android forums and see all the customization people are doing with their android phones? Any hard core winmo fan will not miss customization moving from winmo to android. I just think some people are having a hard time letting go.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
I have also felt like this for a while. Mainly due to being given an MSM7200 for 3 years! Sure there is the HD2 with the snapdragon but that doesn't have AT&T 3G bands and a couple other WM phones with it too, but none that I like.

I would have switched to Android (and still will) if a phone comes out that meets these requirements:

1) WVGA Screen

2) Snapdragon

3) NICE keyboard, comparable to TP2. This is the best keyboard I have ever used.

4) AT&T 3G bands.

The only phone that comes close is the Motorola Milestone on Telus (unlockable). It doesn't have a snapdragon but a decent processor. Its keyboard also sucks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dik23:
Google do have an OS. It's called Chrome, like the browser, and it based on Ubuntu.

And Microsoft seems to be basing their business on people not letting go. It's sad really, I wish they'd try harder
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] enahs_:
I would not care if my Tilt 2 came with Android or WinMO to be honest. They are overall about the same to me.

I got the Tilt 2 because I wanted a qwerty keyboard, with a large very high quality touch screen as well. And I did not want an internal HD like iPhones, I want interchangeable light weight cheap storage cards! That gives me unlimited storage. All that, on AT&Ts service plan.

It did not hurt that it cost me $50 to upgrade from my Fuze to the Tilt 2!

If Microsoft would open up WinMO so the different phone manufactures could customize the OS for each phone, companies like HTC could do amazing things with WinMO.

I honestly wish HTC would update their software for their phones more often.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kb9nvh:
Keep TILT2 or wait a few more months???

Deleted due to duplication Here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5679065#post5679065
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imeraz:
I disagree. But then again, they keyword here is "me". To you they're overall the same. Which is somewhat of a true statement. They both lend themselves to customization and both have plenty of funtionality. But where Android sets itself apart is speed and stability, which I would take anyday. What good is a phone that has all this functionality, when half the time the functionality doesn't function properly or you have to tweak the hell out of the OS to get it to work properly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] moSess:
So, So true

I remember feeling a weird sort of guilt for liking Android so much when I got my N1. I had spent so much time on my TP2 to get it right and the N1 came "right", right out of the box. Granted full free tethering(with free options) was not there, but everything else is. I think the guilt was all the time, I don't want to say it.... wasted.

I remember starting a thread that really ticked a lot of people off. Just mentioning how Android was what real functionality and customization should be like and BAM!, flame city.

When it was just Windows Mobile or another smartphone option(you can name them), there was no choice. Now with Android, I feel I have made the most equitable of the choices. And the little pleasures of the choice I have made are the reason that it would take a game changer of a WindowsPhone7 to make me think of going back. The lack of weekly(with the best of Roms) or daily resets(just to keep the phone fresh), glitches, memory leaks(a given), freezes, weird pauses and the like, which rank as my largest pet peeves, are my joys with Android. I have reset the phone twice in 3 weeks only to change a memory card and another time just because. Not one freeze, slowdown, memory leak, not in what's going on a month, which I can't say of the TP2 in the same time period. Which was the motivation to flash it. After agreeing on the almost overwhelmingly unanimous feeling that it was the best shipped Rom in a long time!:eek::confused::(

Yeah, no more of that for me , thanks....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] berrywr:
I agree. If Windows "Phone" 7 is going to be as rigid as the other mobile operating systems are now; where's the fun in that? Personally, what NRGZ28 has done with his EnergyROMs especially his most latest is why I bought this device in the first place; he did remarkable work with the Wing. That's me! The work these folks do is nothing short of outstanding; all of them. Now, I don't know enough about the Android devices other than there is a whole lot of folks liking them but everybody I've talked to who looks at what I've done to my TP2; their eyeballs and tongue roll out of their heads; they can't believe it can be done and with the latest ROM I have on my device at first glance they think they're looking at the HD2 (Leo). If Windows "Phone" 7 (I'll never get use to calling it that) is going to follow the path of everybody else then you're probably going to see the bulk of us jump ship; but what cannot be dismissed is are we the majority or are we the minority? My Wing was living proof Windows Mobile 6.5 could run on it as were many of the Windows Mobile devices out there at the time. But smart phones like desktops are becoming as powerful as netbooks today; maybe notebooks. I've had my desktop PC for years but clearly the software today is forcing me to consider a new PC with 4, 6 and 8 GBs of RAM; my current PC maxes out at 512mbs. I've read good reviews about Windows Phone 7 and the moment the HD2 comes out I want it, but I also know the market is going to be flooded with TP2s and they will come down in price as they've already have now from $349.99 to $269.99. What is unknown is how much will the HD2 costs given it's horsepower and upgrades to the US market. We all have to remember there are other devices that will be released after the HD2, for example the Tera, looks like the TP2 with a 600mhz CPU. There is the HD Mini, smaller than it's bigger brother and I'm sure there will be a TP2 style device with the 1GHz Snapdragon maybe clocked higher. I kill to have a HD2, but I also know it is wise to wait. I have read nothing that says it won't be upgraded to Windows Phone 7, though with the exception of XDA, PPC Geeks and other websites; it might be awhile. I've had Windows Mobile 6.5 on my TP2 day one and then on my Wing; it didn't officially release until when; January 20, 2010.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] trevorwhopkins:
"I would not care if my Tilt 2 came with Android or WinMO to be honest. They are overall about the same to me."

That is the feeling I generally got. I dualbooted android on my TP2 and basically still loved the phone for exact same reasons.

"I remember feeling a weird sort of guilt for liking Android so much when I got my N1. I had spent so much time on my TP2 to get it right and the N1 came "right", right out of the box. Granted full free tethering(with free options) was not there, but everything else is. I think the guilt was all the time, I don't want to say it.... wasted"

my sentiments exactly. except that full free tethering is available. same way as on wm. with some customization. i just rooted my n1 yesterday and got the tethering. works perfect.

As for new comments since original post... I am ever more convinced I am right. When I finally rooted my phone (much scarier than hardspl'ing my tp2 i must say, though not too difficult. similar to Pre unlocking.) it locked in that I'll stay with Android, unless they release a WP7 phone without the tiles and with full customization. Check out the android forums. I just flashed Sense onto my n1. I almost laughed.

It has the exact same look and feel as Sense on Winmo! Same keyboard. Same dialer, almost, so now I dont miss smartdialing. It even has a version of the sliding homescreen with texts and alarms, etc. It feels exactly like the day I flashed 2.5 onto my TP2... only it didnt hamstring my phone at all. It just worked. Customization is more complicated but ultimately more rewarding and way more usable on Android. It's sad to see so many posts agreeing finally. I figured I would get flamed too. This is a Rhodium forum after all! I will probly try to leave this thread alone to not bother the Rhodium guys. I loved my phone and would never trash it now that I got the n1. But I don't regret it at all. Still miss that fantastic keyboard though.

Oh and to the Milestone loving guy... go try that milestone. The keyboard is a joke to me. Its just like the droid. hard flat keys. At least it's finally centered on the phone though. And its sad someone mentioned the milestone as decent powered, it being a low end Droid. But then again, Android still has the G1, which is so much a joke its why I hesitated to even try Android before 2.1.