yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[General Topics] MarkAtHome:
Hi Schaps -- with all due respect, from my vantage point, and it could be due to information unknown to me (to be fair), it looks like you are sucking people in again, as you did two years ago, when you posted (on 14 June 2008 -- "After 6 months of hard work, here is a preview..."):

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2301375&postcount=1

After you posted that, since I was a fan of yours, I donated a sizeable amount of €30.00 EUR, on 17 August 2008 (Confirmation number: 9T2328604R332851V).

You shortly disappeared off the face of the earth, unresponsive even to messages to your personal email (which shall remain private).

Now you have re-appeared, showing pretty much the same thing, and are once again appealing for donations!

A big difference for me, though, is that you are now, apparently, no long mentioning support for my phone, Tilt/Kaiser/TyTN II.

Now what?
[General Topics] schaps:
Hi,

Thank you for your generous donation, I am really sorry about the situation, but if you read my previous message you should understand that I'm not sucking people like you said. I left XDA for good reasons, I know it caused confusion from my supporters here and it was a miscommunication. But as you can see I did not let down the people who believed in me, I have been hard working during all this time and now you can see the result.

Maybe you did not noticed but a huge step has been made since the preview I showed on the thread you mentionned, so please don't say it's the same thing! The difference is that now TouchXperience is ready so people know what they donated for and they can enjoy it.

The current version does not support low spec devices because I target the most used devices and most of people changed their phone over the last 3 years, but a support for old devices like TyTN is not impossible. In that case investment is not really a problem as I suppose such device are relatively cheap now, but it will be a lot of work because hardware is very different. Anyway if that's the problem, I can pay you back for your donation.
[General Topics] MarkAtHome:
I am not asking for the money back, Schaps.

Just come through this time for your current supporters -- pay your debt to me by coming through for them, and we will be even.
[General Topics] jet-27:
notice

I think people are having quickly. More than three year and continues to pay no warranty what you expect that hi disappears again :D:D:D

no no no........ stop paying
[General Topics] schaps:
If you behave like that yes there are chances I disappear again from XDA!

You can say all that you want, but donators are now happy to play with TouchXperience on their device and they have no regret!
[General Topics] Bizybone:
You know it's only a matter of time until more people like him will show up here so it's only best you tune them out.

If what you have done so far sucked. This thread would probably be buried by now.

"You know you've made it when you have haters"
[General Topics] HackMimic:
I see all these complaints about donating to try TouchXperience but if you tried it you would not complain that you donated. Everyone here want this app to run perfectly and have it for free but it takes money to develop. He could say i dont want donations and develop only for the phone he has and sooooooooo many people would feel butt hurt because it does not support there phone. Others can help by beta testing on other devices but when it comes down to it you dont know how its going to come out if you dont have that phone. Anyone who has really developed an app. im not talking cooking or manila modding as that to me takes nowhere near the same amount of knowledge and skill to do. almost anyone can reverse engineer but to create from scratch its another story. I am also very disappointed to see rom cookers complain about the progress of this app. you should know better. you cookers purposely host roms at sites like hotfile which only allows you to dl one at a time and you have to wait 30min if your dl fails. rapidshare as well. Then on top of trying to make money off of downloads you ask for donations. since you host on fileshare locations those donations go to buy memberships so we dont waste our day downloading. Sorry for the ranting but out of most devs here at XDA Schaps has contributed more than most members and is up there in my book with olipro. If you dont want to donate to this amazing app then dont and wait till it made public. meanwhile if you do donate enjoy one of the best UI's out there. I rather run this beta on my phone than all the new manila stuff coming out. Its funny, TX is a better looking UI, more robust comapred to manila and takes less power away from the phone. Its a good app at the current stage its in and will only get better. Not bad for not have a comprehensive team of programmers working with you and you being the sole dev of this project. My hats off to you Schaps.:cool:
[General Topics] HackMimic:
I am dissappointed with you the most. all the donations you take in from all those devices you cook for and you cant donate a simple $1. that shows your true colors. I bet you dont even send donations to the other devs here that you use their work in your roms that receive donations from. Could afford a new HD2 but not a dollar. wow. Las Vegas people are really greedy........ must be in the water out there
[General Topics] Exca:
What the hell is this all about.

I donated, i have no regrets. Since when do you sell your bread for free? Since when do you go to work for free? This is not just a cook people... all of you whining about donating even less then a hamburger from macdonalds are either selfish or either teenagers who have spent to much on weed last month not having a penny left to invest in some good things. But wait, how did you get that htc for free?
[General Topics] HackMimic:
i totally agree with you. this cook also forget he cooks advance config tool in his rom's that he takes donations for. talk about disrespect.
[General Topics] tom_codon:
i can not agree with you comment !

Currently i'm in beta tester of TouchXperience project , and i can say : TouchXperience is fantasic shell interface . Very smooth and improvement

Schap's did a huge project TouchXperience in almost 3 years (alone)

Which other guys may need 10 years for to do or more

And i'm sure he's trying to make sure nobody disappointed when he release TouchXperience , that why the software can be take long times for test

@donation : Trust me , u will not disappointed :)
[General Topics] amnagheall:
I really love interface of your BETA but this waiting moments is getting to my nerves already. I just hope you could release the BETA for us also.
[General Topics] PoisonWolf:
Schaps,

If I'm looking to be a beta-tester, do I need to register at your site? Can I stay here and just donate from here? :)

Cheers.
[General Topics] HackMimic:
You still need to register at his site to be able to get TX. He will need to make your account active to receive TX. That can only be done from his site. keep your account here as that does not affect anything. you just need an account at his site and after he has confirmed your donation you good to go. ;)
[General Topics] andes83:
I have to agree on some of these comments as I waited quite a long time to see this exclusive TouchXperience project and the promised beta which I understood was going to be FOR FREE for XDA members or maybe I'm imagining things.... It doesn't matter actually ,what matters is that now I see you have to "donate" to use this program and you can't "donate" whatever sum you like it has to be over a specific amount of money.....so let's get things clear a "donation" is something you give for free and not expect anything in return and here we're talking about "purchase" ( which has the definition of paying a certain price and expect a certain product in return).Not to burst anyone's bubbles but in some countries this is considered like "fraud" and I don't know about XDA rules for commercials and everything but this thread looks like a free commercial for selling a program and even if it's permitted by forum laws it's not moral to users to be deceived like that.So what I need from schaps is to make it crystal clear for everyone is this program FREE or do we have to BUY it an that's all.

P.S My purpose is not to insult anyone it's just to get the situation out of the "fog" as I'm certain that there are a lot of people like me wondering what's happening.
[General Topics] jet-27:
doubts ????

very well I'm not the only one having doubts on the release of the beta.

I completely agree with you andes83.

xda must stop this free publicitee for product that requires only donnation more and more.......:confused::confused:
[General Topics] HackMimic:
Seems like everyone does not fully read his post. He put a minimum as paypal takes a majority of the donation. not his fault complain to paypal and there fees. if you donate a $1 after all the fee's he get $0.25 which is no where near what was donated. if everyone sent $0.50 to him he would never see a cent and that defeats the purpose because how is one to buy new phones to port the project to. everyone gets pissed over a limit. everyone seems to forget that a lot of apps that started here were later a pay only apps.... do your research. lets not forget Olipro charges a donation to get a full unlock on your phones now..
[General Topics] acidbath5546:
I do understand where you are coming from and very much appreciate you taking the time to respond in a civil and eloquent manner.

I have spent lots of times cooking ROMs for WinMo and Rooting Android and can appreciate the time and effort that goes into making something. I cant imagine the amount of work that it takes to design and create and seperate UI, so my hats are off to you.

I think that a simple solution to this would be perhaps being a bit more descriptive in your first post.

Since it seemed a bit vague.

Thanks again for your response and know that I am not commenting to try and piss you off or bother you, I just love this community and want to do my part to ensure that it keeps its inegrity :)

Back on topic now........LOL....

Cant wait for your public beta release :)
[General Topics] schaps:
It seems you did not read any word of what I was saying!

I could as well make TouchXperience a commercial product and sell it at a high price like SPB does, but I ever wished to give it for free to the community like I do for my other contributions. I put a lot of work and money in this project and I do it for free, what you are saying is really insulting to me, you have no respect for my work!

I totally agree with your definition of a donation, but I'm not begging or forcing anyone to donate, I don't even set a minimum amount, people are free to donate the amount they want, and only if they wish to contribute in the project! Is it clear enough for you? As contributors, I offer donators an exclusive access to early betas, so they can join other beta testers if they wish, this is a way to thank them and I think they should benefit from what they contributed for, since the long time TouchXperience is under development...

I thank the beta testers who are supporting me here, and who give you again the proof that donators have no regret! For the few others who are making problems I ask you gently to stop polluting this thread, I don't want any argue here, it was intended to ask questions or make suggestions about TouchXperience.

As some others said, TouchXperience is not a mod, a theme, a cook, or anything we use to see on XDA, but an UI which has been developed from scratch over 2 years. Many ROM cookers are making money here without creating or developing anything, some even stole my work, so I don't see why they should be allowed to ask for donations but not me! I am not even making money from my work, but saving donations to refund the money I invested in the project, and to help buying new devices to work on. As a former ROM cooker I know that cooking needs time, but this is really nothing compared to the huge work put in TouchXperience. I have no exact idea of how much would cost this project, counting investment and development time, but it should be over $10.000, so you should better appreciate my devotion instead of complaining and insulting my work!
[General Topics] PoisonWolf:
Hi Schaps,

I've sent some beer-pongs your way! ;) I contacted you via your site under the same callsign. Look forward to hearing from you soon! =)

Cheers.
[General Topics] dadudo2000:
Hi Schaps

I just donated. Trans ID: 6UH03600HY7571517

My TouchExperience user ID is dadudo2000

Can I have email with instructions for download please?

Keep up good work.
[General Topics] gdem3685:
I am a beta tester, i made a donation to help schaps to go on with the Project and i must say it worth it!

Nobody is forcing us to donate. WE DO IT BY OUR CHOICE. When TouchXperience is released all of us will ask for the project!!

I totally agree with Schaps about the donation thing!! Keep up the good job mate and i hope this Donation-war is over!!
[General Topics] PoisonWolf:
To those of you who dislike what he's doing here, please, just get out of the thread and move on. It's really that simple. :) Save your own time and everyone else's time. Until he's pointing a gun to your forehead, I don't see why there is even such a fuss over this. He doesn't owe you guys anything nor do any of you own XDA-Developers single-handedly. So if the mods are not doing anything about it right now, it's obvious that Schaps hasn't broken any black/white legalities.

The only thing he seems to have broken in the eyes of you fussers and whiners is that he has shredded some sort of developer's or open source ethics code or some heinous and malicious act towards your morality and values.

Grow up and move on if you don't like what he's doing.

P.S. If he didn't keep up to his past promises for some of you who have donated large chunks of money, the solution is simple. Don't donate to Schaps anymore, consider it a lesson learned and move on. Remember, you donated, you did not make a purchase. If you think him an evil-liar who is out here to get money, then don't donate anymore and you would have made your point. Then move on.
[General Topics] schaps:
Thank you for your support and for your contribution! As you said it's not much, but if all the people who are begging for TouchXperience would do the same, it would be a great help for the project! Do you wish to be beta tester too?
[General Topics] Lohith:
my u/n on Touch Experience.com is BlueDiamond
[General Topics] PoisonWolf:
Schaps,

Yes please!

Cheers.
[General Topics] owz206:
Donated :D

Transaction ID: 4RR79469GV556620R

My user name on touchxperience forum is owz

Really looking forward to trying this out, donation is thoroughly deserved after all the contributions schaps has given to xda over the years.
[General Topics] chizzwhizz:
Like Schaps said, he's not forcing anyone to make donations. We (the donators) are donating on our own free will because we want to be part of the preliminary beta tests...and also want to see all the hard work that he has put into this project. If you do not want to donate then kindly just wait for Schaps to release the public beta!!! I assure all of you that this project is real and very worth it.
[General Topics] andes83:
Hi Schaps there's no need to be angry at me as I stated in my PS I'm not looking to insult or argue with anyone I was only looking for a certain information that clears thing up a little and I got my answer.My words may seem offensive because I don't like things to be "under the cover" and I've seen a lot of promises given by dishonest people who look for quick money on this forum and done nothing for the community.You can understand how things look on the side with the donations and everything ,some people give amounts then receive the work you've promised to all for free and then the confusion starts.Don't get me wrong I'm not a person who will accuse someone without any reason just for the fun of it .Maybe I ,like everyone,am a bit to eager to see an actual product next to the beautiful demos we've seen.In a way the secrecy behind this project is working against it as the wait continues for quite some time now and it's not clear when it will be available.I'm sorry if you feel offended I'm not disrespecting your hard work or trying to rush things to be done fast but for now I stay firmly behind my words until I see the actual result.When it happens I will be one of the first to congratulate you and will take back everything I said.I will not "pollute" this thread for now and I hope the next thing I write will be the words of appreciation for your work.Cheers
[General Topics] amnagheall:
Alright, so basically it will never be released in public. I understand now. Thanks! I hope you succeed with your hard work. Good luck.
[General Topics] schaps:
No you don't understand, please read before telling such a stupid thing!

If you don't want to give any cent for my work, so be patient and take it when it will be released.

Sometimes I wonder why I spend all my time working for ungrateful people who don't have patience and don't want to understand that such a project needs a lot of time, if it was so simple I would release it long time before! Hopefully I have supporters, if they weren't there this project would never come true!
[General Topics] Tirinoarim:
No, what he is saying is that it is beta. it is unfinished. It is not ready. For that reason he is not giving out to everyone otherwise he will be overwhelmed with complaints about missing functions.

So, hes releasing betas to beta testers. People who are willing to try it and give constructive feedback. People who trust and believe in his work. Who better then than those people who have showed their belief/support by donating. People donate to say "thank you for putting in the hard work, creating this to better our devices/experience". Schaps says "your welcome" and "thankyou for your donation" by giving them a gift back. it is NOT buying a beta.

If you think he is just after the money, dont donate and go away. simple. If you trust he is genuine and want to support his efforts then say "thankyou" (i.e. donate).

C'mon people, theres no need for this.
[General Topics] jagan2:
All before writing just read the first post schaps will release this ui approx at the end of this month but as a supporter you can get early beta.

So stop spamming, schaps you are great you spent two years developing this ui great work.
[General Topics] jagan2:
Exactly, you are absolutely right so people, please dont discourage schaps. If you cant appreciate his work simply dont post anything.

And yes by donating him you show the trust that if u get beta u will actively participate and give feedback thats what beta testers are for.
[General Topics] colwal:
I will wait for a public beta as I think I would rather see it ironed out so-to-speak.

But I just wanted to say schaps I love your ethos in doing all off your own back for the community and I will for one will be personally making a contribution for your fantastic work and I urge everyone to do the same and repay this guy for his kind generosity!!!
[General Topics] ceesheim:
he is donating to other dev's (sense port is one of it ).
[General Topics] HackMimic:
Thats good but he does not donate to other devs. he donates to sense because that how he makes his money. cooking is like playing with legos. big difference. he should donate to every dev that he uses there apps out of respect in my opinion.
[General Topics] JVH3:
For Americans, that is $10,000.

Or ten thousand dollars.

In France and other European countries, they put a decimal where we put a comma and a comma where we put a decimal.

Average rate of semi experienced salaried software engineer is near $50 per hour.

Average rate to hire a consultant through a consulting firm is about $175 per hour.

200 hours at $50 per hour is $10,000.

Or 1 man month of development.

I haven't tried this product, but he in no way is exagerating how much he would earn.

I currently work full time as a softare engineer.

For nothing but donations, I created the Weather City Editor that is used for Manila 2.1 and 2.5. The current version has well over 4000 users. I have yet to earn $400 from it through donations. Only about 40 people have donated. I figure I have earned about $4 per hour on the development of it. I've thought of adding nag screens which could be disabled by entereing your paypal email address, your confirmation number, and a code that I send to the paypal email address. I haven't done this (yet). But, if the donation averaged out to be even close to $1 per user, I would not even be thinking along those lines.

He's not asking alot for this.
[General Topics] darkworldz:
nice work..

the 3d BG is dope...

i wonder how much ram its gna eat...
[General Topics] °Dexter°:
Awesome...will it work (smoothly enough) on Diamond?
[General Topics] Uppy:
Just watched the vid and had a nerdgasm, looks frickin sweet. hope it runs on my Touch 2
[General Topics] Master_H:
Hi Julien,

happy that you did not drop the project. Looks great! :-)
[General Topics] jdep1:
first of all thanks for your great work on your other apps you are one of the best developers and i have to say im looking foward for the release of your project. The UI is so amazing :eek: (breath taking) it brings back my hopes on wm to be on top of the game..
[General Topics] Bubisch:
Yeah Dude, great to see you back!
[General Topics] jagan2:
Wow that was really awesome just saw the video great work :)

But plz we all low powered device owner request you to publish a lite version also so that we all too can xperience this next generation ui....:D
[General Topics] thepolishguy:
WOW!

Man- this is incredible. Hard to believe actually. Kind of mind boggling.
[General Topics] Livven:
Wow, looks so awesome... :)
[General Topics] stylez:
All i can say is stoked :D

Good to see you back :)
[General Topics] Logicalstep:
Wow loads of potential there and it looks like you have 3D hardware acceleration working nicely.

Just don;t go down the road of Pointui and make it a developers product rather than a consumers one.

They made the mistake of not including all the features a consumer would expect to find on a UI and relying on devs to make integrated suits (not that it looks liek you'll be charging for it just yet)

I suspect MS will be heavily embarressed by this UI when they show off WM7 next week ;)

Keep up the good work...look forward to seeing the next version.

Logicalstep
[General Topics] Blue Ice K4:
hi schaps! i' have to be honest i tuought you abbandoned us leaving with our donations, but you didn't! i'm glad that you came back and i'm surprised by the New touchxperience, absolutely awesome! i would like to partecipate to privqte beta, but i have some questions:

does it come as a rom?

is it only for one specific device?

Bye schaps, and welcome back!
[General Topics] MarkAtHome:
Hi Julien -- I hope this is for real.

I, too, thought you abandoned not just your project, but those of us who supported you and tried to contact you via email.
[General Topics] igoodbyes:
HOLY ****!!!

this looks awesome. i wait for march!

good work
[General Topics] Ohamn:
An absolute stunning visual experience!!!!

Hi Schaps!

It looks great!

I can't wait until the beta is released!:eek:

Please, try to post what phone models will run your marvelous app!

I'm currently using a Touch Diamond 2 and would like to know how hard your

app will be on processor and memory. On your videos you are running TouchExperience on a HD2 which is a real power house.

How much will the user experience be degraded by using a phone with lower specifications?

Thanks for your great effort of trying to make our phones what they should have been from the beginning! :D

// Ohamn
[General Topics] [★]:
Wow shapps, just seeing this for the first time, Ive been blown away :eek:

This looks amazing, and definately one of the best things for windows mobile for a long time! Looking forward to the release! :D

(btw, will a WVGA version be available?)
[General Topics] doep007:
hope so that this works with the data messenger :)