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[Nexus One General] veive:
A pic is worth a thousand words, so I guess this post is over the limit.:D

Looks like this one supports the 850 band so 3G on AT&T may work with this one where it won't for the N1... If this is confirmed I may have to send my N1 back and get the bravo...
[Nexus One General] m3t4tr0n:
I have never had any issues with the touch buttons on the nexus one. I'm usually one of the first to go "oooh shiny" and move to the next phone, but so far I really don't see the benefit of moving to the Desire if you have a nexus. I know its not certain, but I am sure that Sense UI (which I like) will appear on nexus roms, so I dont see the reason for parting with more cash on this one ... maybe there is something I am missing, but to me they are pretty much identical ... is a trackpad and 64MB worth another £400 ?? Really ??
[Nexus One General] anthro:
Price is announced already? How much exactly?
[Nexus One General] m3t4tr0n:
No, not that I have seen - educated guess/ball park. Even if its £350-£450, same question ... is a trackpad and 64MB worth that money ?
[Nexus One General] anthro:
Let's see how much it really is
[Nexus One General] m3t4tr0n:
Okay, curious what you're expecting a sim free top end flagship HTC android phone to cost ? Lets watch ...
[Nexus One General] arifhanid:
HTC Promo video for the Desire:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltSyVNO5tvM
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
The Nexus one is about £350.

What everyone is failing to realise is that the Bravo has a BIG benefit:

- This will be released IN STORES, meaning in Europe at least it will be FREE on 18 month contracts.

I plan on upgrading from my G1 to my Bravo for NOTHING, If I went for the Nexus one I would have to shell out £350 or at least pay for an upgrade if that option became avaliable.
[Nexus One General] m3t4tr0n:
I understand this, however that depends on whether you are in contract or not. My only question is on the logic of buying a desire if you have a nexus. If you can get it for free, or haven't just shelled out for a nexus then I get it.
[Nexus One General] Baldyman1966:
Yes this is the position I find myself in. Those of us in the UK who got their G1 on launch day will see their 18 month contacts expire on March 30th just 4 days after T-Mo release this phone. I assume that this is going to be the designated upgrade path for all G1 users and agree that it is tempting if I can just replace my G1 with a Desire without any contractual problems. However if N1 will also be available on T-Mo (which they have suggested it might) I may have to think about it as I do prefer the look of the N1.
[Nexus One General] colonel:
incorrect

Vodafone is due to sell on contract
[Nexus One General] Carloswithac:
All I want from that phone is the HTC VK when there's a rom dump.
[Nexus One General] duncan888:
Yes Keyboard!!
[Nexus One General] DocRambone:
+1 and FM RADIO :D
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
You're missing the point.

Vodafone will offer the Nexus One on Contract but they won't offer it in their stores, only via the Google webstore where you'll have to pay for the handset getting the N1 and the Contract similar to the Tmobile US deal they have going at the moment.

The Bravo will be available in stores, like any other mobile phone. Therefore it will be (at an estimate, going on every other phone like this) free on 18 month contracts costing £35 a month or more.

It also means that someone like me, who's contract doesn't end until July, can go into Phones 4 u and get them to buy out my contract for me, giving an early upgrade.

Personally I will wait until April I think. T-Mobile have been pretty crappy with me with the G1 and I want a HTC Bravo not a T-Mobile G3 Touch3G Thingmajiggy whatever they decide to call it.
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
Oh and another point.

Seeing as this phone is avaliable in stores, it will be marketed much better than the Nexus One (which most people aren't even aware of) by T-Mobile, Orange and whoever else decide to sell it.

For those who are aware of the Nexus? They will more than likely go for the Bravo. Why? Sense UI is more appealing to the casual user... and the casual user isn't going to know or want to know about "rooting" and installing Sense UI on a nexus one. Not to mention the added cost.
[Nexus One General] colonel:
disagree

Vodafone will offer it on the same deals, so it might come free

we don't know yet whether the phone will come from vodafone store or google website, but either way it doesn't matter, vodafone will still offer competitive deals similar to the others it offers

I expect the HTC Bravo to be more expensive sim-free
[Nexus One General] colonel:
marketing is TBA, but i suspect loads more "common folk" will know about the google phone then any HTC model due to the coverage its getting.

personally I would get the nexus one over the htc any day precisely due to sense.

Its just a resource hog and provides nothing you can't do from much lighter weight android apps.

I expect loads of people who get the bravo will put the google rom on it for speed.

Whilst I'm on about it, I will make another point. One of the reasons we all hack Winmo phones as soon as we get them is to get the latest os and to get speed and memory.

I have no desire to hack the google nexus one rom as, quite frankly, there is nothing wrong with it in my eyes. Sure i am waiting for the upgrades, like multi-touch, but i can be patient
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
The trackpad looks cooler than the trackball. Wish the Nexus One has that.
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
I don't know about you guys but I wouldn't want a phone that gets Android updates 5 months after the Nexus gets it.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Why would you want to do this???

Does everyone not realize the cost SAVINGS of buying the phone outright?

£35 * 18 = £630

From Google, UK£ 630 = 987.58800 US$ :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Why would you want to do this??? :confused::confused:
[Nexus One General] colonel:
thats a good point. Like the guy in the O2 shop that showed me that buying the iphone outright and then getting a simply SIM is cheaper then a contract deal which locks you into 2 years.

very few people think like this!!
[Nexus One General] colonel:
i am in two minds about this. I think the trackpad is pretty good and looks neater (my bb 9700 is very good).

however i like the clear light of the track ball and it is easier to use.

Lastly, i think the touch keys are much neater and quicker to use then physical buttons once you work out that you have to hit them a bit high :)
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
I prefer the trackball because you'll never have to wake your phone to see if you have a notification unlike the trackpad.
[Nexus One General] sh500:
True to a point but with the "£35 * 18 = £630" you are not only getting the phone but a voice/data plan to go with it.
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
But it looks like the trackpad has the ability to glow as well. I often avoid using the trackball because I don't want dirt to get inside. I'm a germ freak :(
[Nexus One General] MI_canuck:
Anyone have the Desire's wallpaper? I really the colours...
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
How do you get dirt in a trackball? And the trackpad doesn't fully glow, just the outline.
[Nexus One General] majikdragoon:
Nexus one is listed at £599 on play.com, Desire is £450. The nexus one price will probably drop, eventually, but I doubt it will drop lower than £450.

I've got a 3GS, HD2 and a Nexus One, and I like them all pretty equally. I like the look of the Desire - hard keys, nice looking optical trackpad (as long as it works properly), Sense UI (no accounting for taste right!?), and more industrial design etc. My girlfriend likes my N1, so I may be tempted to give it to her and pick up the Desire as long as reviews and impressions are favourable and it doesn't have any glaring shortcomings.

I wouldn't want to speculate on quite how the new version of Sense will affect performance compared to stock android on the N1, because the build running on the numerous Legend videos seems pretty fast.

I've played with a Hero in the UK and liked it, but is it possible to remove and replace the Sense flip/analog clocks with ones from the Android Market? And am I right in assuming that the Desire will also ship with and support Live Wallpapers?
[Nexus One General] majikdragoon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cisk6qhd-bk&feature=player_embedded#
[Nexus One General] colonel:
no no no

the nexus one is £420 (inc. the £60 import VAT) if you order from www.google.com/phone

BTW ... you are already talking about replacing sense features on the hero .....
[Nexus One General] NexusDro:
dirt and dust can be trapped underneath the ball, especially if you roll it too much with dirty fingers.
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
Well I don't use it much and it wouldn't kill some people to wash there hands lol. If you don't heavily use it and keep clean it won't get dirty.
[Nexus One General] jp_macaroni:
They may be better, may be faster, may be cooler....

but nothing, nothing is SEXIER than the Nexus One.

take that to the bank.
[Nexus One General] colonel:
well I have a BB 8800 from work for 2 years and the ball is still white and clean, and I often use it whilst having lunch.

I don't use it as a sex aid, so i can't vouch for this .....

yeah. I'm a fan boy too, sitting on the fence is far too boring :-)

buts that also because the nexus one is the best phone i have ever used, by far, so I owe HTC & google that much :)
[Nexus One General] Unquestionable:
Agreed. That's what I'm doing atm. I was pretty much set on picking up the Nexus One (after just having sold off my Nokia N900) until I realized there was a big phone convention about to kick off.

Sense UI or not doesn't matter that much to me though, and if I've understood everything correctly you can install other UI's anyway, so I think I'll just stick to the plan and go with the N1 instead of waiting for this one.
[Nexus One General] smoothcat:
Only good thing about this is we get to port the sense ui
[Nexus One General] ztm.000:
Nexus one is where its at. Period.

And the trackball versus the trackpad? Trackball ftw. Have any of you rooted and downloaded the trackball notify app? OMG the trackball spits out amazing colours. And really? Its easy to clean. Just grab a lint free cloth and roll that on the trackball for about a minute and you're good.

The nexus one is better than the bravo.. hands down. And if you guys don't like it. Go to the nonexistent bravo/desire forums.. because here were all about the nexi. Not its wannabe cousin. Whom desires to be as bad ass at the nexi.

Sure it has a hardware tweak here and there... big deal.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
So the Desire wasn't a code name for the HTC Eris as it is listed here at XDA?
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
I always agree with your posts lmao. +1

And there isn't any hardware tweaks, the 720p recording is software which can be ported over and more ram is coming to the nexus one in a update.

Also, does the Desire doesn't have that SEXY 3D menu and 3D gallery.
[Nexus One General] mesajoejoe:
I see no reason why you feel its necessary to be rude to me? My comment was in no way shape or form rude/mean. A simple clarification would have been sufficient.

Some people on here are speculating that our N1's will be leading edge hardware wise for a few years. As with every form of technology newer, better, and faster are right around the corner. And with this worlds desire to have mobile social interacting at an all time high and rising, it only seems natural that the demand will rise as well. I can see our N1's being good enough for a year, but after that there is gonna be some crazy ui that needs a faster phone that we will all want. Just my 2 cents
[Nexus One General] majikdragoon:
I know, I have a Nexus One... but "common folk" aren't likely to import a phone. They'll either buy from eBay or from somewhere like Play or Amazon.

I don't like the standard flip clock. I quite liked the rest of the HTC widgets, and the new ones look pretty good too.

Yet RIM have seen fit to use optical trackpads in their newer devices for some reason. Maybe because even though trackballs do just as good a job, they have been prone to failure in the (recent - issues with the Tour in Sept last year) past. I like trackballs though, especially the one in the Nexus One... but I can't see a downside to having an optical trackpad instead. Am I missing something?
[Nexus One General] sourmilk:
I had sense on the hero for four months then switched to the N1 last week. the sense ui is shiny and pretty but it had many little annoyances and bugs that drove me nuts. many of the widgets while slick looking seemed unfinished and of course HTC provided zero app updates. hopefully the next version of sense will resolve these issues, but regardless i'll stick with stock android from now on.

as for the hard buttons. i had dirt stuck under the hard buttons for a while on the hero and the buttons became really unresponsive. eventually the dirt came out but now i appreciate the soft buttons on the N1.

the only thing i really miss about sense is the calendar sync with exchange.
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
Some people can't afford £630 upfront... Converting it to Dollars isn't a true representation of the price due to economical differences.

Also, You'd get around 750 mins, unlimited texts and unlimited internet (assuming it's t-mobile) which is worth at least £20 a month on it's own.
[Nexus One General] Prod1702:
I bought a Nexus one because i have T-Moblie and the phone works with all of what T-Moblie gives me. I do like the UI it has but the N1 UI also has alot of what I like as well. I think it comes down to what you like and what you don't like. I know for me one of the big things about the N1 is having Devs that will do the work to get you the latest and the greatest. the N1 is one of the phones that can give you the latetest and the greatest. I don't see a need to waste my money and move from a N1 to the Desire. I just hope the Devs stay with the N1 and keep giving everyone that stays with the N1 and the new ppl who get there N1 the latest and the greatest. I mean come on i know that everything that can be moved from the Desire to the N1 will if it can be moved to start with.
[Nexus One General] DKM119:
Is funny to see all the people giving bad comments about the "Bravo" are problaby N1 owners...i would do the same if i just spend $500+ or get locked in a 2 years contract and i see a almost similar phone or as some of "us" we called a better phone coming out...but one thing that i notice is that a you guys are trashing this phone,saying that the N1 is better than the Bravo and the Bravo is not even in the market yet...if you guys are happy about your N1 i think you shoudn't worry about this "Bravo" phone...i think the N1 is a great phone i was about to get it (and i'm glad i did't get it)...but i just dont like the way it looks...but hey that is just me...i really like the way this new phone looks i do like the Sense UI...and i will wait till the phone is out and i'll see the reviews from people that actually owns the phone and then i'll see what i do...in the meantime stiil using my G1 with enoms rom...peace out.
[Nexus One General] firedup:
Agree 100%

Also as many gave stated they are basically the SAME PHONE!

As long as we get flash included as an update before / at the same time as the Desire release I will be happy.
[Nexus One General] Unquestionable:
It's probably hard to not become fanboyish and defend your expensive purchase. It is more comfortable to become a bit defensive than to start to worry that your own expensive purchase will fast become obsolete.

I can't choose which one to get though. If Sense, FM-radio and the real buttons doesn't matter much to me should I get the N1 instead? Will the N1 really receive Android updates that much faster than Desire?
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
I'm not just saying this because I love the phone but..

the Nexus One will receive updates faster then any Android phone on the market due to it being Google's phone. Also, FM-radio and Sense can be ported over anyway and the touch buttons are way sexier then the hardware. And the optical ball on the Desire doesn't light up and tell you that you have a notification.

Lastly, the N1 is slightly thinner and the Desire is wider (BUT NOT A WIDER SCREEN). Also the Desire has that nasty little chin like the myTouch and the Desire doesn't have the noise cancellation.
[Nexus One General] colonel:
agree with the senitment, except in this case the desire is the same hardware as the nexus one and most people that can afford one could afford the other.

I can certainly sell my nexus one on ebay for more then I paid (long story), but I choose not to because I think its the best non-keyboarded phone at the moment and the desire has two things I really don't want: hardware buttons and sense
[Nexus One General] kingcedz:
definitely faster, HTC Hero was running Andriod version 3 generation old and 4 month after they first indicated a possible update we are still seeing no confirmation of exact date of official release..on the contrast,N1 got its first update within weeks of initial release....

I have been a big fan of Sense UI until the underline software was too updated to bear, it ll be another couple of month before Desire is released and I guess it ll be a window period to test how good Google's own support actually is.

Desire is not a bad phone by itself, neither is Nexus One, and bear in mind that Nexus One is not officially released in Europe/Asia yet, so it could be HTC/Google playing their marketing game by officially releasing Nexus One in US, and Desire in Europe/Asia.

Also, there is still the HTC Supersonic and the mysterious 1.5GHz phone in the pipeline, which will be a lot more different in terms of hardware when compare with Nexus One...by then its probably the right time to change phones anyway, Nexus Two perhaps?!

for the meanwhile, can someone please please port Sense to Nexus One?
[Nexus One General] Amdathlonuk:
I have my Nexus and I'm very happy with it.

However I am due a free upgrade on 7th April as my employer pays my bill.... :D
[Nexus One General] colonel:
RIM did a survey of the key warranty failures, and the ball topped the list. It doesn't mean the ball is faulty, far from it, its just that as the only mechanical part it has a slightly higher chance of the failure then other components. Saying that its still much better to use then a track pad, for the same reason a mouse is much better then a trackpad on a laptop. Sure a mouse has a higher failure but when did your mouse last fail ?

Lastly the trackball on the nexus is likely to be used for a tiny fraction of the intensity of the BB one, as on a BB is required to be used to operate the device, whereas on the nexus its only an option.

BTW all the "common folk" I know seem to be pretty savvy with the internet in terms of where to get stuff cheap.
[Nexus One General] DKM119:
Actually the N1 got the "upgrade" that fast cause that "upgrade" almost/fix the problems that i lot of people were having with the 3g issue...if i'm not mistaken...but it wasn't really a upgrade...

anyway the same way that the N1 got rooted the Bravo/Desire can be rooted and we can install whatever Rom we like so i guess at the end we (non-N1-owner) will go for the looks...
[Nexus One General] colonel:
Sense (and touch flo) was a great idea by HTC to transcend the limitations of WinMo.

Its just not needed on android, everything it does you can find much more lightweight apps to do.

Its also debatable whether it will be needed on WinMo 7 which is looking good.

Where it does make sense (not to pun !!) is for the HTC Smart. As HTC descends into the murky territory of the "low end" phone (shock, horror) it will be paid back handsomely for its investment in the Sense UI.
[Nexus One General] 513:
I don't think you will find it because it is a live wallpaper.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vImlG0qZl5g&feature=player_embedded
[Nexus One General] slim410:
hhaahahaha

hahahaha jay leno's chin...your a funny bloke!

anyway i hope cyanogen or another good developer makes sense ui on the nexus and fm radio....in that case the nexus would be better.
[Nexus One General] kingcedz:
As I remembered HTC Hero had loads of problem with many issues too but it only got one pathetic update from HTC during its lifetime so far...

I was very annoyed running various CR on the old hero while watching T-Mobile G1 users getting newer and better andriod versions. HTC doesnt have the software capability to handle update as Google has.

And I dont actually see the look of the two phone being much different at all, If this phone is something that looks like the HD2 then its a different story. I guess that's just a preference thing...
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
I've been watching some videos and noticed a lot of lag on the Desire.
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
The demo handsets are running an out of date version of Sense (IE a Beta).

If you check the HTC Legend It's running a newer version and is lag free... you'd have to be an idiot to beleive that the new version of Sense would run better on the Legend than the Desire.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
I dunno I really like how Sense works/manages my contacts vs the standard Android contact manager. Not to mention Sense has this nice speed dial feature. As a bonus there are some nice HTC widgets(specifically the battery, and SMS/MMS widget.

As for WM7 I think I read somewhere that Sense would be harder to implement into into the new OS.
[Nexus One General] DKM119:
There is a a lot of people that dislike the Sense IU because they use it with a rooted G1 or a rooted MyTouch, I know it was a bit laggy on the Hero at the beginning but after the update is was all good,still I think the Bravo/Desire will run the new Sense IU flawless...I might be wrong...but hey only time will tell...
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
It will be flawless, obviously..
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
I don't see much lag on my Eris(HTC Desire version of a CDMA Hero) and that running pretty much the same version as both Hero's. I would think that once Sense is fully complete for 2.1 we should see some stark improvements in speed and performance even on devices like the Hero.
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
IIRC, microsoft isn't going to allow skinning of WM7, ie Sense will be no more for WM devices.
[Nexus One General] metamorph8:
Just a heads-up, the N1 has been shipping to HK/Singapore from the official website since its launch.

I also think it's amusing how half the people here are sourgraping about the Desire, and the other half want the Sense UI on their N1.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
I was starting to believe the Desire was cuter than the Nexus One by looking at the pictures, but quickly noticed how the Sense UI makes screenshots of phones looked VERY sexy and sleek without even having to try. After seeing videos, in my personal artistic opinion ~ the N1 is one good looking device ~.~

Please take a look~
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
You don't think HTC can add a custom contact app for WM7 like you see with their Sense devices?
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
I am sure they can make apps of sorts, but based on my link and quote, it seems as though core features of the UI, and the UI itself, is set in stone, so in order to use a different people app, you would have to open it, it couldn't be integrated into the UI itself.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-phone-7-series-is-official-and-microsoft-is-playing-to/

"Besides just flipping the script on the brand, the company seems to be taking a much more vertical approach with hardware and user experience, dictating rigid specs for 7 Series devices (a specific CPU and speed, screen aspect ratio and resolution, memory, and even button configuration), and doing away with carrier or partner UI customizations such as Sense or TouchWiz. That's right -- there will be a single Windows Phone identity regardless of carrier or device brand. Those new phones will likely look similar at first, featuring a high res touchscreen, three front-facing buttons (back, start, and perhaps not shockingly, a Bing key), and little else."