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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
Please, give me some help!

I used this to unroot theunlockr. com/2009/10/06/how-to-unroot-the-htc-magic-non-mytouchget-back-to-cupcake/. It doesn't say that it isn't for 32A. I used it, and after installing it said Wrong Id, and every time I'm booting up my phone, I can't get in, but it is only shows me the "Htc Magic" screen.

I used another cyanogen update. I did the update, but it didn't fix the problem.

Please, help me!

Thanks in advance!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
It doesn't need to say if its 32A since Rogers has the 32A Magic with 288MB Ram and Sense UI now. The 32B can be unrooted with the sapphire.nbh file.The only RUU there is for the Rogers Magic.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
And now, what I have to do?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
If you can't get into the recovery mode or fast boot then your probably bricked.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
I can get in! =)

But, what I have to do to make it again like before. I press the "wipe", but nothing happens. I have again the same problem.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Not sure which recovery your using but can you get Amon_RA 1.5.2.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=530492

After upgrading try reinserting your sd and wipe all the options.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
I did this

Copy recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.5.2H.img to the root of your sdcard
Boot into your current custom recovery (boot while holding HOME)
Connect your phone via usb to your pc/mac/...
adb shell
$su (not required if you have root already)
#mount -a
#flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.5.2H.img

as I had cyanogen 1.4, but now, I am pressing Home+Power, and I can't get into the recovery menu!

(I can get into FastBoot)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Can you do it the Fastboot way?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
After what I've done at the first post, I can't find any device in fastboot via

adb devices

:(
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
I forgot to say something! When I am writing fastboot devices, it gives me this:
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
What did your phone do while this was happening?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
It was working as a brand.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
When you do Cam+Power can you tell me what it says, did the update change your radio or SPL.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
When I am doing cam(I think cam is Home button)+Power, it doesn't do anything! It just stays at the boot screen.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Pull the battery out then, hold those buttons and see what happens.Wait, did you reboot after flashing the recovery image?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
You mean to start the phone without the battery? I am doing this, but nothing happens.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
After I wrote this

#flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.5.2H.img

the CMD got me off of the

"#"

(if you understand what I am saying), and nothing happened then. Then, I just closed the phone and tried to open it while I was pressing Home+Power. Is there another way to reboot it?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
No, take it out then put it in and then hold the 2 buttons.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
Don't forget to give a look at post #17 above yours.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Did you have the image on your SD or computer since you used ADB.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
Pff, I don't understand what you say. Sorry :/

I've been searching for a solution 5 hours, and my brain is very bad.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
After you flash the recovery you need to reboot if your using ADB:

Copy recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.5.2H.img to the root of your sdcard

Boot into your current custom recovery (boot while holding HOME)

Connect your phone via usb to your pc/mac/...

adb shell

$su (not required if you have root already)

#mount -a

#flash_image recovery /sdcard/recovery-RA-sapphire-v1.5.2H.img

^When you did this where did you place the recovery file?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
At /sdcard
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
And you can't get into recovery or fastboot now?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
Hmmm, I am trying to reinstall the default cyanogen 1.4, but while I am doing this with cmd, it gives me: (remote: not allow)

How can I fix this? I am searching the web, but can't find any solution.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
I can only get into fastboot.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Since you used the RUU to unroot the SPL with fastboot access replaced with the default one.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
=(

I have to make a gold card, right? But, how to make a gold card when I can't have access to the phone, but only to the Fastboot? :(
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Since your under warranty still you could just get a new phone and start fresh.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
Hmm, what I have to do to get it "clean", you know, to not let them know that it was rooted.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
Unless you have the 3 skate boarding androids on fastboot you don't need to worry, tell them that the new update broke your phone and you are unable to use it. They'll send you a free replacement, not sure if shipping is free or not.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
I'm from Greece.

Pff, let see now.

Thanks for your time.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Ace42:
No problem, I hope you get the replacement.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] giorgos147:
Hmm, I got my phone at the shop, but the customer was looking me like I was a monster :S

She asked me what I did, and I said that I've done the updates, and then the monitor stucked at the welcome screen... Then... She asked me: "Alone?" I answered yes, and she said that she will phone me tomorrow :(
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2g5J4qPp54

A video clearly showing the cause of the 3G/Edge switching, and quite "WTF" at that :eek:

Does your phone do this?

(P.S. You can access Phone Info like in the video to see your signal strength by getting AnyCut from the Market -> Long press home screen -> Shortcuts -> AnyCut -> Activity -> Phone Info)
[Nexus One General] staulkor:
Easier way to access phone info:

Open up the dialer, *#*#INFO#*#*
[Nexus One General] firedup:
Is this really all that suprising? I'd put money on the same thing happening with most phones with the antenna in a similar position.

Not had any noticable problems with 3G in the UK.
[Nexus One General] seanhassars:
After watching all these videos I started freaking myself out about the 3g issue, but then I realized that 1. I never did any of this and wasn't constantly checking my G1 to see if I was on edge and 2. the only time that anything close to what happens in that video (for me at least) happens to me is if I'm somewhere with spotty 3g anyway. I'm sitting at my house right now where I get great 3g and if I cover the phone with my hands I lose maybe 8db at the most. I think the rumors of the 3g issue are greatly exaggerated.
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
If your in a poor 3g area it will do this. And like dude above said it'll do that on most phones. I remember getting my tp it had in the instructions Something about not covering the radio at the top of the phone (tps was at the top). Now I'm on horrible 3 g area and tested this and it did switch back n forth while doing that, but it also does it to my tp2 also, so it gonna happen on most phones in bad coverage, now when I'm closer to a tower it wont do that...

Any phone will act like that.. most I mean.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
In my house I usually have around -97 through -101 dBm (with the phone on my desk, no hands).

What do you guys see as your average signal strength?
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Typing that every single time you want to see the phone info is easier than tapping one shortcut? ;)
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Or you can not download anything and just go to settings, about phone and status and get the same info....
[Nexus One General] seanhassars:
-70dBm to -79dBm no hands -77dBm to -81dBm in hand.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Not had any noticable problems with 3G at home...may loose 1 bar once in a while.
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
wow, i just tried the exact same test and got the same results and i am in a very strong 3g area (tempe)...
[Nexus One General] krohnjw:
You are covering the antenna - of course you are going to see a loss of signal strength. If you are in an area where that loss causes you to bounce to edge then you are going to bounce to edge. This will happen with any phone although it is more noticeable with smartphones in my experience due to the lack of an exterior antenna (perhaps you'd see the same with bar style phones).

The N1 happens to have the antenna at the bottom of the phone (maybe not the smartest placement) whereas many other smart phones have it at the top of the phone. Whether or not you get the results in the video merely represent your relative signal strength in your area.
[Nexus One General] thepawn:
I've been trying to force myself to use my N1 with my left hand more then my right to keep the singal strength up...seems to be on the bottom right of the phone... :(
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Well, it's very natural to want to hold the phone at the bottom. So basically it's just bad design then?...
[Nexus One General] wmm:
This strikes me as pretty much of a non-issue. Yes, human flesh is not very transparent to radio at these frequencies, so if you wrap a couple of centimeters of it around the antenna, you'll see a drop in signal strength. They have to put the antenna somewhere, so it's just a matter of putting your hand somewhere else. For myself, I hold the phone with my thumb on one side edge, my two middle fingers on the other side edge, and my index finger on the back next to the camera to press the earpiece against my ear. It feels very comfortable and quite natural that way, and it leaves plenty of air space around the antenna at the bottom. Holding it this way, I never have any signal strength problems or dropped calls.

There may indeed be some 3G/EDGE issues where the algorithm for when to switch isn't quite right; I can't tell about that because I only get EDGE inside my house and always get 3G outside my house, so I've never seen the flipping back and forth that seems to be the basis of most folks' complaints on this topic. I'm just not terribly impressed by an experiment showing that wrapping your hand around the antenna causes the signal strength to go down -- I mean, who'd have expected that? ;-)
[Nexus One General] krohnjw:
Yeah, it is definitely a design that is not the most friendly, but the N1 is not the first phone to do it and likely won't be the last.

The video in question doesn't "show" anything new other than human flesh isn't very transparent to radio signals - anyone in a weaker coverage area can replicate the video while those in very strong 3G coverage areas (where you get a strong 3G signal not where the map says it's best) likely won't see any drop to edge unless they have hulk hands.

This doesn't appear to be any sort of newly discovered build issue (to be fair the manual that comes with the N1 states to avoid placing your hand/fingers on the bottom of the phone, with illustration on pg 12 ), rather it's a flaw in the design of the phone due to the location of the antenna and people's tendency to hold the phone covering the antenna.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
@wmm and krohnjw

The point isn't that [wrapping your hand around an antenna decreasing signal strength] is new information.

The point is, why does this happen so EASILY with the Nexus One?

And why has this phenomenon never appeared in the news so prominently for any other phone in the history of mobile phones, as it has with the Nexus One? THAT is the issue.

Also, the Motorla Droid has the antenna at the bottom (the bottom lip), does it not? Why doesn't that phone have any issues?
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
.... Why exactly are we placing the antennas at the bottom of any phone.. I mean you hold the phone on the bottom, like seriously? Is there a reason for this o_0
[Nexus One General] wmm:
I think it's probably because there actually was a problem with the software originally released with the N1 that caused it to switch between EDGE and 3G when it really didn't need to, and the resulting hue and cry about that over-sensitized people to this particular non-issue.
[Nexus One General] krohnjw:
You mean like this phone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AN6265QQwhU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZ0NkLqh3nU&NR=1

Just because you have some people *****ing loudly doesn't mean this is the first high profile phone that the issue has come up with...

Well there could be a few things off of the top of my head (if it has the antenna at the bottom)

Motorola may have wired other surfaces to act as additional antennas (as apple claimed to do with the iPhone 3G) on the droid.

If they did not then it's entirely possible that the N1 may have poor automatic gain control set up currently while the droid appropriately boosts gain when the signal drops.

When I cover the back of the antenna and hold it covered the signal drops out of what should be "acceptable" after 10-15s. I don't lose 3G but there is a significant degradation in signal (down to -93 dBm to -95 dBm). Perhaps the ACG controls aren't allowing gain to be boosted high enough for the radio to get a stronger signal or the thresh hold of what is "acceptable" is set too low.
[Nexus One General] wmm:
Yes. Take the back cover off and look at the interior. There isn't room for the antenna anywhere else. The top has the speaker, the camera, and the audio plug. Most of the rest of the volume of the phone is taken up by the battery (which couldn't be any smaller or you'd get even louder complaints about battery life). All that's left is the bottom. I suppose you could have moved all the stuff at the top down to the bottom, but it would seem pretty weird to have the camera and speaker down there (and the speaker would probably have interfered with the microphone in speakerphone mode if it were located there). That's just the tradeoff you get for a sexy thin phone.

I still don't think it's a big deal. "Like seriously," just don't hold the phone on the bottom. It's really not that hard.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Thanks for the explanation I guess..
[Nexus One General] HighTech216:
Confirmed

Yes my friends, we've been hosed.

In questionable 3G coverage areas my signal is very sensitive to where my hand is holding the phone. In strong 3G coverage areas it will not drop regardless.

Obvious design flaw, HTC will be receiving a call from me about this as soon as I'm feeling ambitious.

I knew overpaying for this techno-wonder would benefit me. I wonder what they'll do with my engraved nexus one when they ship me their newest hotness?? Not my problem I suppose. . . :D

And thanks to members of the calm herd, like yourself. HTC shouldn't have a problem replacing my unit with something that gets the reception that I paid for!
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
I can't answer the poll... why? Because where I live (Toledo, OH), in my apartment the signal does drop when I hold the lower back of the phone. However I was just in Chicago visiting my sis. Sitting in the middle of her place, I can try covering the phone in various ways till my hands cramp, but the signal is perfect the entire time.

I think this confirms my days old theory that this is a hardware issue only in the sense that the antenna happens to be placed in the lower part of the phone... but the REAL problem is that T-mobile hasn't saturated the areas where they have "3G coverage" with 3G... Again, I don't see this as a flaw per se, by HTC. Many phones are designed this way, and I'm sure on other networks they work fine... but I'll bet they wouldn't work quite as well on T-mobile. We should be blaming T-mobile and lobbying them to double the concentration of their towers wherever they currently have coverage.

It's a shame... I've been with T-mobile for 8+ years, but only after I recently started using a 3G smartphone have I really felt their shortcomings. I love their customer service and they've been fair in all my dealings with them...but their network is inherently flawed.
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Exactly. Why the heck wasn't THAT all over the news? Especially considering the popularity of the iPhone is orders of magnitude higher than the N1's?...

Eh, I wouldn't say that. It's still the absolute best smartphone on the market right now.

And luckily for me, I'm on wifi most of the time.
[Nexus One General] HighTech216:
Well it seems to me that any phone in the +$500 range should outperform my G1 (which never has a problem). But feel free to settle if you like. This phone is like having a super computer on a dialup phone line. Fast, as long as all of your desired content is accessed locally.

For me, this is just an excuse to work them for the next absolute best smart phone (that isn't yet on the market).

I work in customer service, ask and you may receive. Demand, and they're left with no choice.
[Nexus One General] lightforce:
nope no probs here
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
I don't remember where I read it, but one reason given for putting antennas in the bottom of the phone is to move the primary radio emitter as far from the ear canal as possible to reduce the amount of EMI radiation the brain is exposed to while talking on the phone.

I have seen many of the phones I have owned in the past do this. Whenever there is an issue with reception this issue comes up, but it isn't really a design flaw so much as a design tradeoff. With a stronger signal, and with a stronger radio (rumors of an updated radio file possibly indicate that they aren't yet done tuning the N1's radio) the drop in signal may not necessarily impact the real-world use of the phone as much as we are seeing with the N1 and the present state of its radio.
[Nexus One General] pandabear:
There is no problem

Guys,

This is a fault of the network T MObile. My phone is in a different country and I have absolutly no issues.

Why blame the poor phone for all the stupid problems in the network :mad:
[Nexus One General] temperbad:
Same thing happens to my touch pro 2. And the radios at the top. Its no big deal, now in a strong signal it wont do this....

Y'all freaking too much.
[Nexus One General] krohnjw:
This isn't a T-Mobile issue....it's an issue where coverage is weak enough where the people who are effected are that the added interference from wrapping your hand around the antenna causes the signal to degrade enough that it drops to edge.

This will happen regardless of your carrier (although lower frequencies should penetrate a bit better than T-Mobile's higher 3G frequencies) and depends wholly on your signal strength. This isn't some network configuration issue or tower issue - it's an issue of signal strength and signal degradation due to added interference. The only T-Mobile issue is that they haven't saturated all of their 3G areas with outstanding 3G coverage, so if you are in an area where you get a weaker 3G signal or the edge of coverage then this is the only expected result.
[Nexus One General] Red MacGregor:
huh, since i bluetooth an earpiece, this just isn't an issue for me.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Thank you! This is what I've been saying for a few days now, especially after confirming my theory when I went to Chicago over the weekend. But, IMO, this IS a T-mobile issue in the sense that they need to compensate for their higher frequency bands and their current lack of coverage by adding more towers in existing areas. See my post from another thread below...
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Ahhhh, I see. So the problem then is that T-Mobile's frequencies don't penetrate skin as well as AT&T does?? :confused:

If that's true, that's pretty funny :D
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
That's technically true, though I'm not sure how much of an affect it should really have if T-mo designed their network properly. Btw, that also is why T-mo signals don't penetrate buildings as well as other carriers. Still, it's nothing that T-mo can't compensate with relatively easily. If the added cost is an issue for them, they should apply to the FCC for a government subsidy to compensate for their being stuck on "inferior" frequencies... If I were their lawyer I'd make an antitrust argument. (Yeah, law school can make you a dork ;))
[Nexus One General] Paul22000:
Ok, so time for some truth. Can someone test this with a G1?

(I already sold mine :D)
[Nexus One General] BobbyF:
Is this still an issue if it has a case (as in rubber case)?
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
I have not had an issue with my rubber case...
[Nexus One General] commandercup:
For some reason, none of my SMS programs will vibrate even when I tell them to... SMS Pop-up, CHOMPSMS and the default messaging won't vibrate. The Missing Call app in the market will vibrate though so anyone have an idea as to what the problem is?
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
mine is the same way. don't understand it. seems to have started with the update
[Nexus One General] david1171:
I have noticed with the newest (5.0.1 and 5.0.2) update from cyanogen whenever I flash either his ROM (or my theme which uses his ROM as a base) that I have to go into the messaging app and re-check the vibrate option.
[Nexus One General] hah2110:
Weird - this occurs on mine also on all messaging apps. I have rooted with the new update (not the newest one that isn't OTA yet). Any advice?
[Nexus One General] commandercup:
Anyone have any fixes? I noticed that notifications for other apps don't vibrate as well; Gmail and mobile package tracker specifically.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
i found a solution by trolling other forums. install 'sound manager' from the market. open it, hit the menu soft key, and select the vibration settings option. when that opens, set it up however you want. tested it, and now i have vibration with sms again! sounds like it is some extra work, but whatever. it works
[Nexus One General] commandercup:
You are my hero! that fixed it!
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
;)

10 characters
[Nexus One General] sstang2006:
it happened to me once .. I did a Clear Storage (aka Hard Reset) via fastboot (hold down volume + power) and it WORKED.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=628264
[Nexus One General] dahui9:
go to messaging, press menu, settings, all the way at the bottom, vibrate. ;)

-Charlie
[Nexus One General] sstang2006:
oooo crap that's true... oo wait, IT DOESN'T WORK...
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
no, it didn't work for me, and doesn't for several people. the sound manager app fixed it. trust me. try it out.
[Nexus One General] McFroger3:
Use handcent lol, Vibrate works great for me lol.
[Nexus One General] hah2110:
Confirmed - issue occurs on ANY rom as soon as Handcent is installed. Sound board or wipe is only way to resolve.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
sound manager app fixes. see my post above
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kud0s:
I have RA's latest recovery for my Magic. When I boot to recovery, the screen comes up like normal, and I can actually navigate through the menu for a bit. But it just randomly reboots my phone and it boots up as normal. Phone works fine, but I am worried about running without a recovery! I have tried earasing it from console and reinstalling. Re-downloading.

Anything else you guys know of that I should try?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kassy_ok:
What rom are you using? what radio ?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kud0s:
using an older curser sense 1.0 (wanted to update) and radio 6.35.07.29
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] formicae:
RTFM.

I'll also save you another post, once you do get the recovery working:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] bolux:
You have two options: either downgrade your boot to the old one or upgrade to cursorsense 1.2.4
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kud0s:
Man, thanks. Sometimes the most obvious things are the hardest to figure out. I totally forgot that it uses the hero recovery ;) Thanks again!