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[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Will_nonya:
After reading a few of the other post on this thread I have to laugh.

Just the thought that someone who would like a more controlled environment woud be on this site in the first place doesn't make any sense. I think all of those types are over on myiphonewhitescreenedagain.com.

There will be some exciting times for those who like to develop software and hack into windows to come out with something better but the general tone of microsofts new approach is what gives me pause and makes me think that we're on the losing end here. It's very apple like whichis fine if you enjoy doign things the way they want you to but this site is full of people who wnat something better and in most cases more personal and more functional than what appeals the the imasses.

This will probably be good for microsoft as a business but it will probably mark a dark time for windows mobile enthusist.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] akhnaten:
Prime Directive,

One thing you need to realize is that, across the pond, assuming this platform is locked down in the DMCA sense, us whiney american teenage girls would get fined and or thrown in jail for hacking a new UI onto the platform. My concern does not stem from poor UI or something that looks different. The break you speak of requires a learning curve. If you, as a developer, are faced with two green fields, ie. learning a new platform, one has posted a welcome sign (android os) and the other is surrounded by barbed wire and machine gunners (WP7) which would you choose?

So far MS has not made it clear that it is welcoming hackers or power users. This group, in my opinion, has kept the WinMo platform alive all these years. They cannot hope to compete any better against the iPhone than the Zune has against the iPod with behavior like this. Announcing AT&T as the Premier Partner for the platform is another stick in the eye for these whiney american teenage girls.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kourampies:
Killing the customisation and freedom will be like killing windows mobile. I truly feel sad after seeing the vid.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fdo35:
My Opinion

Well I think the reason why few people here love it is because we're the only people who actually used and appreciated Windows Mobile's advanced features. But, unfortunetly, the problem is that nobody (except us) would care if Microsoft did included such features. In fact, they would probably see that as a negative because they wouldn't even be able to understand the OS because they don't think that their phone is that important or worth it. The reason why the iPhone was so popular is probably because of its looks and simplicity, among other things, but Microsoft just did what they thought would please the most people, and, unfortunetly, that's not us. But, I could be dead wrong. All why know is that the dev unit had a WVGA screen and a Snapdragon processor. For all we know it could have 1GB of RAM and allow for a certain number of apps to remain open and use whatever amount of RAM the developer specified, which would be cool. But, maybe what was meant by multitasking in certain scenarios was that the developer was needed to say in his code that the app was supposed to be left open, with details of what it requires. And maybe it even has every feature Windows Mobile had, via Microsoft or eventually someone else. And maybe if the Start button is held it would go strait to the app launcher instead of the Start/home screen (would be better for multitasking)? This is just to show that Windows Phone 7 is still under development and that we shouldn't make early judgements. You never know; maybe Skyfire and Opera Mobile will get support for Windows Phone 7? It could happen.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
WinPho 7. They totally should have called it that. If you constructed that on your own, mega virtual reps. :thumbsup: It's kind of obvious, in a good way, but I've been scratching for a nickname to call it since yesterday and it didn't occur to me. It makes it sound like source of knowledge.

I'll respond to some of the other stuff tomorrow, just wanted to get that in tonight.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dogmann:
Hi all,

OK one other thought just struck me as so many seem really concerned about the possibility of the whole system being tightly locked down and restrictive and dare i say it just like the iPhone.

But if you look at the iPhone and what can be done and achieved once Jail broken why shouldn't the same be possible for the W7Phone? Ok so the iPhone has never been my thing but but from what i have read and seen once Jail broken it can do so much more than Apple want people to do with it isn't this what is done here already with WM? Why will this suddenly no longer hold true? and there is nothing wrong IMO with upping the minimum hardware requirements as IMO the Snapdragon processor gave WM the power to perform better then it had ever previously managed it certainly changed MO about how the platform could perform.

Marc
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freyberry:
Sure, WP7 will be jailbroken as well. But native implementations ar always better. When devs have to "hack" and "reverse engineer" in order to get things done, like multitasking, then it will never work as good as if it was a native implementation. That's exactly the situation we have now. There are no unified APIs for accelerometer, compass, etc. Devs have to reverse engineer, that's why it takes them so long to come up with good applications that make use of those features.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] schizo:
This is the phone for every clueless person in the planet... haha... *just kidding, i'm neutral here...*

I mean in mode moderate term, for sure this thing is cool but definitely targeted for the mass-market who need phone which is "smart" (whatever the meaning is), providing their communication requirements as-it-is without the hassle of complexities of configuring tit and tat, ready-to-run from the second they left the shop, with many "cool transitions/animation" and "wow factors" to hassle their peers....

Which ... contradictory to many of our own "wow factors" here... productivity and usability in mind.... (how can you be productive in such high density pixels and large screen estate but still putting everything on 36pt fonts and so many unnecessary blank spaces....??? cool, but hey c'mon, we're not all hyperly myopic here... LoL)

Anyway, from what I heard on the MWC coverage they say M$ will keep supporting WM6.5... and HTC will keep upgrading their Sense (and their investment) on that platform... So we'll see

Still, of course, I will try an WP7 device when it ever hit the market, and buy it if the experience worthed... But my prediction, I will stay on WM6.5 and Android course....

Edit:

GSM Arena says MS is on the right track.... LoL
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HTC Touch Freak:
My opinion is that Microsoft will fail. I hate this for a phone OS. Love it for the Zune OS though.

It will be limiting and restrictin for all. It will be too closed like the iPhone OS. I hope you all can hack it and make it great but Microsoft took one giant step in the wrong direction and backwards with this one.

If it was a completely different/better OS than what they showe with the Zune software being soley used for media I may have liked it but this is tragic.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Many people are stating WP7 is a closed os, only restrictions, but where do I find that proof? I followed the news quite a bit, but nothing like this was stated.

I think there is a big change it's just open. Like a windows 7 PC, where you can easily tweak everything with the right knowledge, while the not so geeky people just understands everything, to do all the tasks.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dodo2244:
Man o man! imagine this snazzy interface that requires heavy duty hardware, and then you say "no multitasking"!! As for the no custom UI, tough titty Redmond, for the XDA modders you've drawn a line in the sand, and you can bet your bottom $ the line has already been kicked :-)), we'll even see Android WM7 look alikes.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Realmsea:
MS's main aim is to reclaim much of the consumers it has lost through competition by other "smart" devices like the iPhone.

Towards that end, they probably realised that the single most disliked thing about the WinMo is the user experience. And it shows - by relying on phonemakers to skin the WinMo, the overall experience is fragmented, and quality cannot be assured.

This isn't a problem for those who know their way around the WinMo (like many folks here), but the simple fact is that the WinMo everyone is familiar with can't compete in the consumer market, and the new WP7 is designed to re-capture the consumers' imagination.

Personally, I love the UI, and I would like to see how customizable it is - from the user level, as well as from the developer level. There are still a lot of questions - how easy is it to port apps, the level of multitasking, power consumption, syncing, file management, etc.

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Besides, this is presented as a consumer device - whether it can be reworked into an enterprise solution, or will a different version of WinMo be available for enterprise development - remains to be seen.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] themanwithaplan:
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[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sjouni:
hate it

no task manager

no bar show battery indicator, operator signal, clock,.

no touch bottons, only 3 harware botton

ugly menu

i should use more than one touch to go to application

microsoft should learn from orher experiance (htc sence, touchwiz,iphone,...) and the home screen should take me anywhere in one touch
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donnaw:
Don't know enough yet

I don't think we actually know enough yet to make any determination. Sure we saw some sort of UI demo for all the social stuff but I didn't see enough to tell me whether I can use it in my life yet. MS stated that they were locking down the UI so I am curious how much we can customize it. I don't use all the Facebook/Twitter stuff. Don't want to look at it. Not sure if the "Hub" concept will work or is just laying an extra layer on top of everything.

What about the rumor that apps can only be installed to main memory? Just how "locked down" will it be? If some of the rumors are true then the have walled their garden off too much for my liking. I just need more info before I can even begin to decide what I may have to give up in return for what new functionality is offered.

Too many questions - will wait until we get some definitive answers rather than just speculations. sigh............
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lyian:
From what ive seen of it. It looks like its going to suck. Especally given this line that i read..

So they are basically trying turning it into an iPhone. Making it less business oriented and more 'student-college kid' friendly. From what ive seen.. id rather stick with 6.5
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maric:
I have to say at first I was indifferent to unveiling of Windows Mobile 7. At first I was not really impressed at the UI interface until I watched the tech demo with the long hair guy. First and foremost I love the fact they are aiming this product at end consumer user.

When I first bought my Axim 51v the main purpose of it's use was calendar and help better organize my life. Syncing with outlook was enough for me at the time. I didn't dare buy a Windows Smartphone at the time since honestly Axim 51v was buggy enough just trying to sync my calendar with my Office PC, Laptop, and Home PC. My cell phone was my life line to my business and could not rely on a Windows Smartphone to provide this function. So I carried a Motorola Razor and my Axim.

With much hesitation I gave up my aging Axim and bough an Iphone 1 generation right around September when the Iphone 3g came out. I heard all the gripes about people who were early adopters but I fell in love with the simplicity and ease of use. Yes it's fun being able to customize windows mobile but there was not denying that it took a lot of effort and tweaks to get it working smoothly.

My Iphone 1 generation again is aging and regardless that it's probably the best phone that serves my needs, I am looking for something different. But the only way I will give up my Iphone is if the next phone makes my life easier or least it's at par with the Iphone simplicity.

I love the idea of hubs and it's focus for cloud based services. Being able to sync up my pictures, music, contacts, calendar, notes, emails are probably the important part of functionality when it comes to my smartphone. I would argue for most people who are not heavy business user they would probably say most of these factors are the important part of their phone.

I think if Windows Mobile 7 can not only be at par with Iphone simplicity in this factors in ease-of-use but exceed I can see people leaving their Iphone. I think I speak for most people that the hardest part in giving up an Iphone for another platform would be the apps. I know many people like make fun of the amount of useless apps but there are apps that I use everyday. There is now way that Microsoft can compete with sheer amount of apps the Iphone offers but I think if they at least tried to encourage the development of the most popular apps, I can see people giving up their Iphone knowing the apps are available on the platform.

For me there is just essential apps I use everyday now that goes as follows:

-Shaazam

-Bank of America

-Chase

-Citibank

-iFitness

-Tap & Track

-Time Mobile

-NY Times

-ESPN Radio

-MLB.com

-Yelp

I honestly believe that it's going to come down app development. There are many people who are tired of being locked down to single cell network with one single model to choose from. People are always looking to try out new phones but so long that the next phone being adopted meets our expectations of what a smartphone should be able to do.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] akhnaten:
Check out PCWorld's article number 189347 titled "Windows Phone 7: An In-depth Look at the Features and Interface". From that article, "According to Microsoft, hardware partners will not be able to replace the Windows 7 UI. So if you're a fan of HTC's TouchFLO user interface, which runs over older versions of HTC Windows Mobile phones, you're out of luck."
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] burnblue:
Microsoft has contracts with their partners.. terms and conditions for licensing the OS. The fact that Microsoft will no longer allow HTC to cover up and hide the OS MS worked on with HTC's own interface, doesn't mean that the OS is now impossible to skin. It just means that if HTC is going to license the OS they can't hide it anymore, and it makes perfect sense if teh mass market is going to adopt Windows phones.

MS said that OEMs and carries still get to customize, brand and differentiate. Even the Live Tile system that's shown now, I can see a ton of potential in it
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] si124:
Total disappointment. This OS is for teens, not for serious usable device.

I don't care about pictures, music, social networks, etc.

No multitasking!!!!! What about support of true colors screens?

Almost no information on home screen, which is the most important!!!

I will probably move away from Windows mobile OS.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TopOfNewYork:
I am convinced its going to bomb worse than Vista. Def a step backwards and in the wrong direction. I just dont see how MS can succeed with this business model. They are really stubborn and bullheaded. Failing to adapt is not a formula for success. MS cant beat Apple at apples game. The odds are slim to none and honestly this is pretty ugly doesn't even multi task. its just a crazy gambit thats going to blow up in their face unless we can hack it and port everything really quick. Otherwise zero WinMo users will buy a Zune phone and they will sell of fraction of Zune phones compared to iphones just like zune vs. ipod. Microsoft is so envious of apples darling status they are making stupid decisions. If they want the market share they need to change the game not emulate apple. Apple will drop a second new iphone that makes this zune phone looks terrible its only a matter of time and by then we will have abandoned MS all together when it comes to mobile and they will have no customers in the mobile market.

This is not innovation this is emulation and envy and trying to catch up to google and apple. Its going to fail.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maric:
It's rather obvious that a site dedicated for customizing/tweaking your phone would garnish disappointment. I don't care what people say on here Windows Mobile needed a complete overhaul if it wanted to stop bleeding market share.

Regardless what people think on here, I would guess that 90 percent of people looking for a smartphone, don't care about customization to level the xda-developers users warrant.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prime_Directive:
Hey thanks man :) It's the kind of inspiration that only comes to you when you have only had 4hrs sleep over two days... (I'm travelling round the country delivering training courses at the moment)

I must admit I've enjoyed this discourse, far too often people with opposing views on this forum end up in a '...well your an idiot!!' level of communication. You seem like a 'good old boy' (mid-south england phrase)

It does occur to me that, for some, customisation means a level of hacking or modding of whats already part of the core-os but to me it means making an app to fill the gap. I guess this is probably why so many are so shocked at their world being shattered and of cause understand the upset. The social media aspect, however, I can also understand. I do have a facebook account but I am certainly not the sort of person who updates it with anything that I have done more interesting than breathing... We'll just have to see how that pans out...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] burnblue:
Teens use Sharepoint now? Teens need to merge personal and work calendars?

Come on dude.. any information you want can go on the home screen, which is more than other OSes can say.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
Yeah, it was fun, though in the American South, good 'ole boy refers to unsophisticated, beer swilling, pot-bellied, red necked, and possibly even racist hicks without two brain cells to rub together. In American politics and business generally, the plural refers to corrupt cabals of the above, except with power. :D

I had actually planned on leading my argument with "you're an idiot!", I just figured you already knew and I didn't want to be condescending. ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] buffalosolja42:
Here is a comparison with Iphone I just picked up

http://blog.genstart.dk/2010/02/17/...-7-series-side-by-side-the-chrome-the-chrome/
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Nicovince:
I like tweak my device and this new OS will may be stop this. So i voted killing my freedom !
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mschaffer:
what about Bluetooth and Voice command

As far as I am concerned"

If it doesn't do voice command over bluetooth, it's a total bust.​
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Exca:
I'm excited if it becomes windows again, because this **** ain't related a bit to it...

I'm excited if the homescreen gets freshed up, if it gets multitasking, optional application and customizing developement, and general if it gets better looks because this trash looks like a flash website from 4 years ago. Clipping fonts... it can't be true!
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pinosano:
I've been using windows mobile ever since I can remember - now having migrated to the HTC HD2 I can tell you that customization is my top concern with WSeries 7 - Being able to customize almost every aspect of my phone makes it that much more mine - I like to tweak but I guess the majority may not. Would I move to the new Series 7 OS?? In one word. Yes! Simply because my 'curiosity' would get the best of me because I seriously want to experience the new OS myself and until that day comes I will remain a customization/convenience/personal factor fanboy of OS6.5.X
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lyian:
I actually like how 6.5 looks (with the touch flo front end) on it. I dont think WinMo needs to be re-Designed so much as re-Coded with cleaner and much more efficant code, but the look itself i dont think needs to change much.

From what I understand, WinMo was mainly a port from Win CE, which was more of a mini-computer/netbook type OS and not designed from the ground up for PDA/Smartphone use. This is why i think it just needs to be recoded (ie new engine)

Looks wise tho, i like how it looks and how most things are laid out.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DirtySanchez:
+1 MS Don't fall victim to software dev laziness to just revamp/reskin a tired old code redo your stuff and try some of the new code they already own.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] antaed:
i understand the need to change and one cannot ignore the huge impact iphone had on this market. make no mistake, ms wants to regain a large piece of the pie and with it's current os it has no chance in front of the new wave. the reality is that smartphones become cheaper and affordable to more and more people and the majority is not interested in tweaking and customization freedom but they rather want a simple, clean, easy to use interface in the iphonesque style. this is the trend and there's nothing we can do about it. i will try it for sure but if my fears confirm, android is my new way.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Tigrouzen:
Realy i dont know

Cause i dont have it on my hand and try it so much to see if its realy intersting.

Now if have a choice then i choose Android because its so advanced and many appli intersting.

For winmo7 its too early to have realy jugement.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freakzone:
I like it, it looks modern, navigation is nice, fonts and colors are nice. Does someone know if there will be a professional edition like they said some time ago or they dropped it?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] datnukkapenut187:
WinPho 7

I love it, because I have a zune hd and I like the interface, and some of the changes, the only problem I have with it is the new type of multi-tasking or lack of multi-tasking being implemented. I was planning on switching to Android, but now i'm going to wait and see how it turns out.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fiktion:
Ehh, I don't think it's anything special, to be honest. I dunno why, exactly. I just don't really like it. I love the Zune and the Zune HD, but I'm not liking this... I suppose they did it because of the iPod/iPhone, Zune HD/Windows Phone 7 Series (still a mouthful).
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Spl4tt:
i think i will stick to winmo 6.5.5 till a really god OS comes out.. :/

i just wait for that touchxperience UI, i think it will be awsome... :)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Livven:
The professional version will be the current 6.5.3, which will be rebranded to Windows Phone 6 Classic Series.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mosesman:
I am not sure how to feel about it.

I like the new interface, although it might be time consuming to flick through each window. The 2d, flat style is a refreshing change from the all 3d interface seen on phones lately.

The biggest problem I have for WinMo 7 Series is the lack of backwards compatibility, but if Windows wants to be accepted back into the mobile market (besides those of us here that already loved it), changes had to be made.