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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Maedhros:
Gotta agree with this.

I Personally dont know what to say about winmob 7. First time viewing the video was a SHOCK. It was soo radically different from what im used to looking at on 6.5 and 6.5.3.

It was nothing like sense either.

I wont say if I hate it or like it yet till I use it, or a zune HD since its nothing like anything Iv used.

It appears as if the business user focus is gone, but perhaps they will show somehow bring it back when they further demo it nxt month.

I will say one thing about winmobil 7, after years of using 6,6.1,6.5 I feel more comfortable using android then win7.

I feel windows Mobil 7 will be wm6.5's successor only in name.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] btompkins0112:
I don't understand what y'all are talking about saying that this will not work for business users?!?! Microsoft is going to have functionality for all of its core business functions (i.e. word, excel, powerpoint, exchange, etc...). Am I to understand that just because a phone has the capability to appeal to the business persons life not just their work, means that it is not business capable?

Is there anything saying that the UI of a, "business" phone has to be bland, boring and lacking any modern interface? Does it have to look like windows 98?

Anyways, sign me up for the pre-order of this thing! I hope the Dell Mini 5 comes with WMSS!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chris_ah1:
Am I the only one who also doesnt give a frazzle about social networking?

I prefer real life updates from people who can be bothered to text or call me and engage in conversation, and I do likewise.

I must be too old fashioned...wait, I'm 23....sign me up to the care home!

Reason why i didnt think it was a business capable device was because it seemed to be so slim on features...and hell we cannot even see the settings screens, or have a way to set someone's callerID picture????

I did notice a mention of 'policies' so perhaps that is the way for XDA to get around WMP7 and its protections.

But yes, most people have depressingly low levels of intelligence and cannot be bothered to find anything like XDA or tract technical waters. Hence iphone, and WMP7 and every other dumbass idea will get market traction.

And it gets traction because it LOOKS finished. WM6.5 never looked finished because even if you made it look perfect you would still know of something else to tweak.

With iphone and WMP7 the philsophy to get market acceptance is simply to lock it down so that people learn to accept what they have whatever it is, to look at the visuals, give up wanting to tweak/personalise/fix, and use the phone....

oh wait...that's almost commendable ;)

Basically - give someone something unfixable and in time they will learn to love it :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kilrah:
Ouch. Frankly... that hurts.

I'm not at all a fan of that kind of mashup UI. It looks just like a big non-appealing mess to me. I love Sense, and to me that's what it should have been. W7P seems to be all about a very limited set of tasks aggregated around social networking and stuff that I don't give a damn about.

And to add to it,

So we have no hope of actually getting something different. Sigh...

They didn't even talk or show about the app concept, only core functionality, so it's hard to see what we can expect. So far, it seems that it won't be soon that I'll move away from WM6.5, except that...

That sucks VERY VERY badly. Firstly, the ~8 years of WM development and the great apps it has led to are LOST. Start from scratch again. We're again in the situation with a "dead" platform stuck with limited core funtionality for 2 years until developers start putting out interesting stuff for it.

But where it sucks even more, is that from today on WM6.5 is pretty much dead. Who's going to continue developing apps for something that will disappear in 6 months? So those who will decide to stay with WM6.5 will have to do with what they have now...

I also can't help but feel sorry for some at this point, like Schaps who's about to release something great after years of development... 3 months before the whole platform is wiped.

W7P sucks.

Hopefully by the time I need a new phone android will be mature enough, seeing as after 2 years it only just begins getting decent apps...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] negromnia90:
this winmo 7 is a s**t!!

:(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] naplesbill:
As a user of a ZuneHD I am extremely excited about WMP7. The UI on the ZuneHD seems a little strange at first, but once you use it you'll be amazed at how efficient it really is. I think this also bodes well for App development for the ZuneHD.

As far as business use, apparently many of you did not watch the entire keynote this morning. They demonstrated how WMP7 can integrate both your business and personal data while still providing indication of which area the data belongs to. There is also an entire "hub" dedicated to business apps like Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.

For me, this is much much better than anything I expected.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] JRK-Scope:
People kept complaining about how little Windows Mobile has changed over the years. I'm glad the new OS turned out like this. Great change compared to the drab legacy that has been dragging on. Also I'm a huge fan of the lack of gloss in the UI and heavy text stylization. Love the Zune HD inspired design and I'm glad I didn't get a Zune HD, so that now I can get a WP7S phone next year.

Also to those worried about settings, page, give the guys a break. They announced the freaking thing TODAY. Over time, we'll see more of WP7.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vardig:
WoW...everyone is quick to judge !????

I'm a PC..haha...no seriously. Looking at what has come into light in the pulic domain is a fantastic idea / product / OS (yes okay its a zune with phone features).

Everyone who likes windows mobile will have to change thier ways....just like they did with the OS platform like windows 95 / 98 / 2000 / XP / Vista and now Windows 7 and now its the mobile sides turn.

Out with the old 5.0, 6.0, 6.1, 6.5 etc, in with the new....and its a good thing its totally different.

people here may complain that "OH NO...no more TouchFLO".....so WHAT ! my fav company is HTC, and yes there will be an interface which HTC will develop (well they already have...hehe)....just hold on to your pants people....its going to be SUPER ....we just saw the OS and thats it.....MIX10 show will provide you all the details and whats to offer...hello Killer Apps!

What you see in all the videos is an unfinished OS product...there is a reason for this; Samsung, LG, ACER, HTC etc will all have thier input and style, however the base functions stay the same...(Zune, Pictures, XboX,

I can tell you the Phone Dialer (man its ugly) , that WILL change. TXT messages, that will change and some other things....which everyone will see very soon :D:cool::D

in the words of a wise guy: http://www.moviesoundclips.net/movies1/transformers/shallow.wav
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] egzthunder1:
If you read some of the other WM7 threads, well.... not so much "cool", but rather there is a big feeling of disappointment. As I said in a different post, it looks as if a Zune and an Ipod gave birth to.... this thing. If you have the urgent need to let the world know that you are in the middle of taking a big dump, then this is the phone for you :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] neoarroyo:
Thumbs down for WinMo 7. From looking at the videos and photos, a few words come to mind: amateurish, unfinished, unpolished, confusing, cheap, unorganized, among other unpleasantries. I like the concept of live tiles, but their implementation with a "text-centric" UI is lame. I see a lot of wasted space all over the place, things not centered, no shadows anywhere. In my opinion, WinMo 7 looks like it was designed by high school kids entering some computer programming contest. Why, oh why is design so hard for the Redmond folks and Apple can do it well consistently? Is it really that hard to hire a couple of artists to make their UI pretty as Apple's?? Seriously, why is that so hard?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] egzthunder1:
Yes, it is called corporate etiquette. It is like going to a corporate luncheon in jeans and a T-shirt that reads "I'm with stupid" with an arrow pointing at someone else. Private life should be kept out of business tools unless you want your boss to know that you feel like he/she is an a$s because it said so on your FB status.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] LJKelley:
As an other ZuneHD user, I'm so excited about WP7S. I can't wait.

And yes it will still be business friendly. It has Office & OneNote. It supports Exchange. It will color code calendar appointments differently on if they are personal or business.

Its stupid to carry two phones, and even business people use facebook. They are just smart and doesn't say something that might get them in trouble or atleast they know how to hide it from their boss or not add their boss in the first place.

And sure, customizabiltiy may be gone to a degree (though you can change colours, rearange the whole start screen etc). But the whole point of XDA was to improve WM and provide newer builds to older devices. This won't be such a big issue with WP7S since it has OTA updates like Android/Pre and is already extremely slick, so I doubt UI optimization will be needed.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] fixxxer2008:
looks like crap to me. and this is from the same company that brought us windows 7? :(
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] josefcrist:
I hope you are right. windows phone 7 for the zune facebook myspace people, and windows mobile 6.5.4 for exchange remote desktop developer types. I may have to use windows mobile 6x for a really long time.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Go to best buy and try out a ZUNE HD.

Very similar in feel.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Sina™:
(STILL IN BETA LEVEL)

the device on hands-on video is an acer.

win phone 7: the worst ui design i ever saw.

more simple than facebook interface.

so laggy, slow & will be available h.2010.

the only thing that makes it competitive is 3rd party support.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] runemail:
Im a bit afraid the partnerships is going to cool down interest from non partners.

And how will it affect the launch outside the us?

How do you put the phone to sleep-mode with only 3 buttons, and no power button?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dickenz:
In regards to the OEM UIs I also think you're all a bit quick to jump the gun - Check this link:

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/will...erience-be-welcomed-on-windows-phone-7-series

HTC have more or less implied they are bringing the "HTC experience" to WPS7. There was also a lot of rumors doing the rounds about their being 2 versions of WPS7. There was one that was media centric and very akin to the ZuneHD and there was one that was meant to be a cut down version ready for hardware partners to add their own 3rd party additions - And the former is exactly what we have all seen and read about today.

I have a feeling there is more to come - They didn't show us much, Joe Belflore in his interview with Laura Foy states "this is a very early build" multiple times when she asks questions about different parts of the OS. We didn't even see the dialer or how it will integrate with contacts! So I think lots is still under wrap - Look at how damn well they have hidden this from us - All we had were random screenshots and now WPS7 is absolutely nothing like anything we have laid our eyes on previously. I believe they've definitely got a much, much deeper hat to pull tricks from.

Now as it is supposed to be a successor to WM6.5.x or WM6.5 or WM6.6 (whatever is on the way) people are doubting from what we have seen that it is indeed a successor because it is so different - Hold that thought for a minute and think about what M$ has done from WM6.1 to WM6.5.x - Specifically, all the extra customize-ability they have added and how it has been handled with CPR files (easier scripting) and support for transparency and .PNG images. All these elements became much MORE customizable upon the launch of WM6.5 and then even further with WM6.5.x. I think we should have at least some faith in M$ here and take those steps they took with WM6.5.x as an indication of what message they were trying to convey. I think this will follow over to WPS7 in the way of the OEM edition I mentioned above. Why do all that work and then throw it out the window for WPS7 ? Not to mention they're are still new builds of WM6.5 and WM6.5.x hitting the streets dated only a week or so old. I think what the OEMs will find themselves with is a WPS7 version that is very developer and 3rd party friendly. It's like WM6.5.x was a preliminary test to see how well the change of customizing would be received. I think these features will carry over to the OEM version and that friendliness to carriers and OEMs will be what makes it so ground breaking. As the link above states, HTC are very impressed with WPS7 - Do you REALLY think they would be so thrilled if M$ killed off the face of their product? HTC Sense? I don't.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freco:
Ha ha... who cares? Let the owners care about it. I won't buy one. I 'd love a mobile like Zune but not with WM7. I 'm enjoying my WM 6.5.3 Acer S200 at the moment but I'm sure going to change platform if WM7 will be as it looks like right now.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Sina™:
i don't like win phone 7, but comparing to wm 6.xx, i prefer wp 7.

possible to making roms for touch pro?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] shaffaf:
my cheap touch viva is a small nice pc:D.....but damn htc leo wen upgraded is gonna be only a big phone with no multi tasking and alll the ****:mad:...bye bye winmo.... welcome android
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gustavoa:
CRAP

Looks like Microsoft is lost. This UI is worst than the TG01 Toshiba Interface. MS is appealing to the social networking mania to see if it can save their life but misses the target. It is completely unappealing. Besides it looks like a resources hog. I bought the HD2 because it was a promising device with a lot of resources, but OS-wise is crap. Sense and XDA guys are the ones who make it worth having it. I'll be looking to Droid in the future.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Phaedrus Nine:
I agree with you, although after I first saw the videos etc I was horrified at what WM may become. I don't care about facebook, twitter and any other social network. It's obviously aimed at people who can't fart without putting it on facebook. The native UI is messy and ugly IMO, so I'm hopeful that HTC will carry on covering up Microsofts mistakes. Sense to me is excellent, that or SPB Mobile Shell. What I'm really looking forward to is multi-touch, decent multi-touch. I think it's a good thing it's aimed at the general consumer because it will encourage devs to get on board and develp more programs for the WM platform. Though in the process I hope they don't alienate all of us who enjoy WM for it's flexibility, freedom and customisation. Otherwise I shall be saying (a sad) farewell to WM. Though when it was said in a video that "It's not a PC, it's a phone" or something like that, sent chills up my spine. That has always been the beauty of WM for me, I want it to be a PC AND a phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
FYI, they have shown off the dialer...

Although it looks rather unfinished.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] burnblue:
Well... duh, it's February and this isn't due until Fall

If the Zune UI didn't get RAVE critical reviews then they wouldn't put it on the phone. Everybody said make Zune a phone. Plus they've been working on this twist UI since Media Center days and people love WMC too. So I guess that means your taste is not majority..

as for my taste, I like this even though I do wish they'd fit more on the screen sometimes. But I really like this aesthetic, and I strongly dislike Apple's. That gray plastic look with the bubbly round rectangles doesn't sit well with me
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] _X_:
As an "old" WM I would say that this new Microsoft version of Titanium/CHome is nice. Needs some polishing but nice and functional, that will provide 'em more average Joe customers that does not like some of the features of Apple Phone and Google Phone. Let's be honest that is the goal for MS with "new" Windows Phone 7 Series.

Underneath of that "shell" there is new CE (7) that is evolutionary step from previous CE (6). Can be it be worst than CE 6 that current WM 6.5 devices are running? Don't think so. Will it bring some problems in compatibility area? Probably ... some. For android lovers I have just one area that Google will take more than few years to accomplish what MS is doing for years.

http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=2957&idPhone2=3069

Take a look at battery capacity and Stand-by autonomy on both devices that are very similar. Another problem is open source nature of android. If open source is so great why are we all running Win7 on our rigs instead of just some of nice Linux distributions. Open Source is nice and all, but when it comes to productivity it is not, in most cases. Although I love using Linux for certain type of "jobs".

Apple Phone is ... well ... like Xbox to PC. Functional and all but not best suited for enthusiast user, but rather for one that thinks he is one (or would like to be considered as). Good as first smartphone experience for a person that is below 18 years old IMHO. I personally cannot consider Apple Phone as business solution.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] _X_:
That is dialer. It is used to type in numbers that needs to be dialed. Apple users can use iPhone Advanced Dialer with exploding buttons animations and nice sound effects. For a 5$ upgrade you can purchase iPhone Advanced Dialer Plus that has integrated game with it. :rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] guap:
I hope for a business version, please, this phone 7 series sucks.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pika1460:
hello to all. my problem is a tricky one: i was wondering if i could find a data register which shows the amount of internet traffic that my phone makes. I recently got a bill for over 100 euro for my internet usage and as far as i know i have done no outstanding data transfer appart from the usual mail and weather application on my htc diamond. I run the standard wm 6.1.

Many thanks in advance.

i posted elsewhere on the forum as well. if it goes against the forum rules i kindly ask an administrator to merge the two posts.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Rudegar:
the registry is just a big settings database where apps and the os can store their settings so as a rule it's not a place where by typing in values you get new programs and or features

take a look at

http://spb.com/pocketpc-software/wirelessmonitor/
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] henky92:
Hey guys,

so new roms like villain 3.0 etc have the 3d gallery app, which is really awesome! I was thinking, if I were to install such a rom, find the apk and install it on a regular hero rom(adb), would it work?

here's the apk, if ya have android 2.0 it'll work i think
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] henky92:
got the apk, get the following msg: gallery could not be installed on this phone, gonna try pushing it through adb
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] henky92:
adb install /Users/*/Desktop/Gallery3D.apk

1409 KB/s (702677 bytes in 0.487s)

pkg: /data/local/tmp/Gallery3D.apk

Failure [INSTALL_FAILED_OLDER_SDK]

damn, adb push doesn't work, and that message is what I get by using adb install, suggestions?
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] foxmeister:
Chances are that the app requires APIs not available in earlier versions of Android.
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] henky92:
yea that's what I thought, probably no way around that huh?:(

cuz I don't like those unstable 2.1 roms
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] wtphoto:
you could always try edidting the build.properties file for the rom you are using and change the sdk version to 6 or 7 and then re-zip and reflash that worked for a couple apps from the cdma 2.1 build that I wanted on my phone however there where some that wouldnt work
[General Questions and Answers] cashisback:
hey i am running a ROM called PC_ProV20 6.1 its very good.

but when it comes to aligning the screen it doesn't work, the device just gets stuck at the screen and no matter how hard you push on the X it doesn't work. i know there isn't anything wrong with the phone itself because when i had Wm 6.5 the align screen worked perfect (this was about an hour ago).

I would be very grateful if someone could help me fix this issue. thx
[General Questions and Answers] thesecondsfade:
Does anyone have a copy of the latest version of the MSN Weather widget in .widget, .wgt, or .cab format?

Before you jump down my throat and tell me to use the Search function... I have searched for hours and have come up empty handed. I have found many of the earlier versions, but none after version 1.1. The newest versions work with touch scrolling and have different features than the early versions.

I'm using a ROM that doesn't have it natively so I wanted to install it indepentantly. I like it better than any commercial or free weather app out there. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

-David
[General Questions and Answers] egzthunder1:
Try Here

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=72178
[General Questions and Answers] thesecondsfade:
That's actually the one I have been using. It doesn't support finger scrolling.
[General Questions and Answers] Dirk:
I have been looking for this too. It is on the Marketplace website but you have to download it via the Marketplace app. I tried this but it does not show up via the app!

I suspect this is a regional limitation or something. Perhaps somebody else will have more success and post a cab for us?

Thanks.
[General Questions and Answers] egzthunder1:
Do you have a numerical version of the widget that you are looking for? (not just "higher than 1.1")
[General Questions and Answers] thesecondsfade:
I was able to find it on the WM Marketplace. The latest version is 1.7. I couldn't find it using the Markeplace application on my phone, but I got it by going HERE. I had to "purchase" it there (it's free btw) then log into my phone's Marketplace app to actually download it.

Even though it's directly from the Marketplace, it does not have the finger scrolling feature that I'm looking for. I was using JJBlaster's ROMs on my old Kaiser and the MSN Weather widget he included was able to scroll up and down using your finger.

Could someone else download it and put the version 1.7 widget in a CAB package? It's way easier to include a CAB in a new ROM flash's UC than to jump through all the hoops Marketplace makes you go through to get it. And also, could somebody somehow enable finger scrolling? I'm not sure how to do any of that.
[General Questions and Answers] thesecondsfade:
Alright so I figured out that the reason my finger scrolling wasn't working had something to do with the Add Widgets or Enable Widgets cabs I had installed. I reflashed my ROM and did not install either cab, then installed the weather widget through the Marketplace and now finger scrolling now works with the latest widget. Next all I'd ask is for someone to put the MSN Weather widget from the marketplace into a cab so I can use it without the marketplace.
[General Questions and Answers] thesecondsfade:
Bump.

Anyone know how to make a CAB out of the Windows Marketplace MSN Weather widget? How about from the attached widget file?
[General Questions and Answers] finkle:
This seems newer

I'm not sure, but this seems a newer CAB and it worked great for me on 1.43 - am about to reinstall on 1.66 (VF UK)