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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] WhyBe:
I don't understand all the whining about the implementation of multi-tasking in WP7.

The biggest complaint about Windows Mobile was its slowness and laggy interface. MS has solved that problem partly by eliminating WM-style multi-tasking. Not we're getting what appears to be one of the most ultra-responsive smartphone OSes because traditional multi-tasking is gone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Aerox912:
I have an Xperia X1 with X2 software on it, has a very good cs if you ask me, better then the omnia i900 and moest older htc phone i tried. I type with my fingers, not even nails even on the onscreen keyboard. kinetic scrolling is like 100 times easier than scrolling with the miniature scroll bar. no indication where in the list you are located.. Can't you read where you are in the list?

What's wrong with CD's and Flat screens?

Dude what's your problem?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
That's a bull**** excuse. There are enough ways to mutltitask and not slow down the device or drain the battery. Palm has done it on slow hardware, compared to what WP7 will run on. Android does it. There is no excuse not to do it. Give the user a quick and easy way to close things (like sliding up cards) that can slow down the device or drain the battery, no problem there.

I'll let this commenter from Gizmodo speak, instead of explining everything again (emphasis added):

And this one:

And this one (emphasis added):
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
For the zillionth time, you're getting all upset over something we don't even know yet.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
And for the zillion-first time, we've gotten very clear answers from Microsoft.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
This quote...

is not clear at all. Noone outside of MS has a clear understanding of how MS is going to handle multitasking.

How do you get data to a hub or tile without an app running? The way the iPhone works will not work here and Microsoft has bashed Apple for this methodology. They will have something much more rich than that for MIX. One potential method (even chainfire posted it on his site) is that they could go with a service+gui model where the service will be allowed to run in the background but the CPU and memory intensive GUI will only load on demand.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Which is not true multitasking and definitely not enough. Period.

Their answer is crystal clear. No true multitasking for third party applications.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RustyGrom:
lol, whatever.

The sky is falling!!! The sky is falling!!!

FYI, WebOS is able to run tons of apps because they're basically web pages using Javascript.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Spl4tt:
no multitasking, no wm7 for me.

i use multitasking too much to just learn to use a phone without it...

i think there are programmers that will make a programm for multitasking.. like the did for the iphone, but that app sucked bad xD...

i think i will stick to winmo 6.5.5 till there comes out a real good new winmo or something :/ (like i did it with winxp till win7 xD)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] burnblue:
I for one hope to NEVER have to reach into QuickMenu or any Task Manager to kill an app EVER again.

This is silly. You can only look at one app at a time. Are you telling that if your app (GPS, RSS, whatever) can run as a service in the background, and when you bring it forward it instantly opens to whatever it was doing, then you would actually rather it eat resources meant for visible apps? No, think about this... Windows 7 (desktop) got massive performance improvements by dedicating video memory only to the foreground window instead of all open windows.

If apps can "provide value when not running" and my workflow is not interrupted when I close and re-open them, then don't run them. I'm tired of manually killing apps. Of course, the big question is what value exactly a service can provide without a running app, and I can wait another month to find this out
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ASCIIker:
first off, i like the fresh ideas microsoft is attempting to bring to the table.

just like so many others, i dislike the fact that power users' needs seem to be overlooked, at least so far, and it is admittedly too early to be sure what the final outcome will be.

all this time, the TOP two things that have been a punch in any iphone fan-boy's face are:

1. winmo has multitasking for any and all applications...can your iphone do this? (i start pocket player, which is a third party app, start wifi, start wmtorrent and enqueue a torrent for download, start tom tom, dial a friend, ask for directions, switch to tom tom while talking on phone, feed the new address, the whole time music is playing, torrent is downloading, etc, etc)...iphone guy is looking all fishy and confused, "ummm...errr...my iphone has animations!" i love the fact that winmo acts like a small computer in the pocket...slow and laggy at times, but totally flexible. its what the difference between a smartphone and a PDA phone is!

2. winmo has a basic builtin browser and many third party browsers, some of which support flash, quite a few support tabs, etc. on the applications side, winmo has thousands of native apps and can tap into the thousands of java applications already available...even the dumbest of smart phones can run java applications. the iphone? you're just limited to the often expensive stuff available on the market place.

what i'm trying to say is that i would love (and expect) to see the final form of windows phone 7 series to have full featured, no questions asked, multitasking as well as the uber customizability that winmo has always offered. note that this uber customizability is enabled by the underlying platform and NOT by the flashy UI it ships with. microsoft is on the right track to ship a flashy and easy to use UI to begin with, but they would be abandoning a loyal fan base if backward compatibility and customizability is sacrificed/restricted in the new product...so i would like to see an equal focus, if not more, to make the platform rich and developer friendly, instead of imposing a restrictive environment for both the user as well as the developer.

just my 2 cents!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Yes, if you jailbreak it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] starchildx:
WHAT ?????? go back and hide in your cave.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bornotty:
This is only a prototype and a beta build.. of course copy/paste will be available in the final build.. The videos are just to give an idea how WP7 will be.. So there is no need to panic.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] WhyBe:
What phones have true multitasking and are lag free ?

If MS approach as stated above is true, I think that is a great workaround, because I'd be damned if I want another laggy phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] tiwas:
I must say "Live long and prosper" sounded better. For me, at least, it's better to either panic or stay calm :p

Sorry...couldn't help myself :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] altae:
My point was simply the following: If I demand a certain feature from a product a company offers and this feature is completely supported by the corresponding product why would someone hesitate to say: "Yes our product supports that". You only hesitate if you have something to hide and you know the one who posed the question is probably not going to like your answer. If WP7 entirely supported multi-tasking why would they have to speak in riddles? So far WM has always supported full multi-tasking therefore its no secrect that has to be kept hidden. No need to deceive any competitors. But they cannot confirm it without adding a "but" and thats a clear indication that the person who speaks is in doubt whether the receiver of the answer will like it or not.

Generaly I dont get it. HTC just announced the HD 3 which will come with a 1.5 giga processor and 1 GB of ram. Huh, those specifications but no full multi-tasking? What is that power for? Is there really anybody out there who will tell me that such a powerful device needs to run an os that limits multi-tasking for maintainig decent performance?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Well, with regard to the "what is all the processing power is needed" question I think the answer is rather clear.

There's a huge user experience improvement coming from powerful hardware in lots of areas even without multitasking. Just compare the same build of Opera in HD and HD2 (or iPhone 3G and 3GS) to see what I mean. HD video playback, games, rendering big pdf files etc., you name it.

It's also worth noting that a 1GHz ARM is not the same as a 1GHz x86, so the processing power shouldn't be overestimated.

With regard to whether it's even needed, it's not such a black and white question really. Apart from performance implications, there's also no point from the user perspective to have all these apps hanging out there in most cases, it's just unnecessary. I myself is an advocate of multitasking because there are certainly some areas where it's needed. My major thing is navigation with simultaneous calling. On the other hand, I don't need the satnav program running when the dialer is in focus. I need it to continue from where it was when I switch back to it. For that a service should just keep GPS running and updating position. So a single-task system could work flawlessly, in fact. The problem is that it's hard to believe that an OS maker will foresee all these cases.

So, in my opinion, pausing apps by default but having a way to register apps as needing to do something in background would be the right approach. In fact, even in current WM incarnations apps do pause when they lose focus. Just try to minimize a game and see what happens.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] leaskovski:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13486#more-13486

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Next!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] altae:
What I am afraid of is the fact that with restricted multi-tasking MS is going to decide which of my programs can run in the backgound. I do not oppose measures to improve performance but I fiercely oppose attempts to limit my freedom to decide how I use my device.

My Xperia X1 is configurated in a way that makes multi-tasking almost perfect. Thanks to SPB Pocket Plus hitting the X button closes the current program (except those that have been appointed by me to keep runnig in the background when hitting the X button, for example Pocket Player). This configuration assures that no programs needlessly run in the background. If I want to minimize a program I can either open another one or hit the today icon in the start menu to go back to the today screen without closing the program. And by doing a long press on the "OK" hardware button I can bring up the Alt+tab feature of Pocket Plus so I can easily switch between all open programs. For me thats just perfect because it works exactly like I know multi-tasking from my desktop computer and I am the one who decides what's running in the background.

If Microsoft now comes up with restrictions concerning multi-tasking this freedom is over. It's not me anymore who decides how things work. It's Microsoft. And that's really Apple style. There is absolutely no way you can call this full multi-tasking. Maybe its something resembling multi-tasking but it's not real multi-tasking.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anaadoul:
i Quote from that,

As we know, CE5.2 can only run 32 processes and CE6 doesn't have that limitation. it's obvios (if the document is authentic) that the OS does support multi tasking, but if we assume that the document is fake i still wonder why we are fighting about something we didn't get any official (CLEAR) statement about?

I would love to know now, and i would love it to be Multitask enabled OS but untill MIX10, let's keep it simple and clean as We don't know.

Everything we speculated and fought about in the past (all the rumors) turned to be not true at the end, and i think this one too :)

Cheers mates
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] raphaelc:
multi-tasking or not

I don't get it. Will WM7 support multi-tasking or not ? Here's my simple question : let's say I have an app such as an FTP client, and I use it to transfer some files from and to my phone. Will I have to wait in front of progressbars or will I be able to switch to another app while transfering ? That's all I want to know. If the answer is NO, then I will prefer Android over this ... new OS thing.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anaadoul:
no one knows, we will know during MIX10
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
To all the Blackstone chefs. I am offering a donation of $30 thru PayPal for a very simplistic, custom clean WWE ROM. If more chefs are willing to build this I would donate the second two that I like best consolatory prize of $5 for encouragement of their efforts.

Normally I wouldn’t bother other people with this kind of task, but my own efforts at using the kitchen in all of its incarnations have failed miserably.

I suspect that quite a few Blackstone owners would appreciate this kind of ROM.

The Result:

The 9600xt's ROM:

http://www.mediafire.com/?myyh5mmynnz

Buy him Beer:

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The Semicuda's ROM - cudaROM LT:

v 1.40:

http://hotfile.com/dl/29241854/2a6acc5/CudaROM_LT_1.40-23534-WWE-20100219.7z.html

v 1.31:

http://hotfile.com/dl/29202600/1aebe9a/CudaROM_LT_1.31-28230-WWE-20100219.7z.html

v 1.20:

http://hotfile.com/dl/29110972/2ea0823/CudaROM_LT_1.20-28230-WWE-20100218.7z.html

v 1.10:

http://hotfile.com/dl/28939600/baa7694/CudaROM_lt_1.10-28227-WWE-20100217.7z.html

Buy him Beer:

Will post my findings testing the ROMs little bit later.

I would appreciate any and all comments.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mark-m:
I have cooked a ROM that came near to what you want.... but it's in German.

ht*p://w*w.htc-developers.de/viewtopic.php?f=87&t=5662

I think you need one in WWE.

I try to cook one for you...

Mark...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Yes, should be WWE and thank you. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tigermoto:
Energy Android

Have you tried this? It has Harem installed which can be nicely ignored, but i believe it's desolate otherwise.....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=625330
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Yes I have tried that ROM and there were some issues, I don't recall at the mment what it was. I will try it again and see.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
So I checked again the recomended *Energy Android Super Lite ROM* and it just doesn't work for me for few reasons.

- It doesn't have the Start, Close/OK buttons on the bottombar.

- Atleast I couldn't disable the DualBoot app

- When changing the Start menu skin to make it 1-row, the Start menu stopped working, and the skin was OK in other ROMs

And here is some addition to my requerements for the ROM, that I just forgot to list before:

- The Default Windows keyboard, no touch keyboard (can be installed if needed)

- 20 MB Pagepool

- USB to PC should be present (it is just too usefull to omit)

- Should have .NET Framework 3.5

- The ROM should be UC capable
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lewisniven:
I'd be interested in this too, I'll keep an eye on this thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 9600xt:
here is your rom:

http://www.mediafire.com/?z3mhjvnjgtj

let me know if you like it, and if you want something different, i will be your personal cooker ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Well...Great! One thing though. After flash it wouldn't start and won't even allow me to Hard Reset. Thankfully I can still enter BootLoader.

Thanks for your work anyway. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
base on your fist post, I think its best for you to buy a phone something

that does not resemble a windows based PPC.

i seriously think you'll attract more bogus people pretending to be a cook

rather than attract the attention of Real Cooks here in XDA.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tsalta:
I want a Clear ROM also

I know few ROM`s that are super cool i mean fast,stable and everything is fine the things i don`t like is ONLY that they have installed APPS that i don`t use and i never will use, so if someone can Edit this ROM`s i mean just to delate all APPs that i don`t need will save from the Main Memory and will be just perfect.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Let me guess - to you Windows based PPC meens Manilla, Internet Explore and Solitaire?

I would like to have options, a choise, and benefit from the rich treasury of Windows Mobile software. I would like to choose SPB Mobile Shell, PointUI, Androkkid, iFonz, Gsmart, rlToday, phoneAlarm, FreeStylWM, FEWidgets and countless other Today screen launchers, clocks and plugins.

I would like to choose a Comm Manager (there are different ones), use the Wireless Manager, or use the functions of a third party apps, PhonEx for instance.

I would like to choose which version of Internet Explorer to install or Opera 9.5, Opera 9.7 Beta, Opera 10 Beta, Opera Mini, Fennec, SkyFire, Iris Browser, UC Browser, Dorothy Browser (WebKit), Web Viewer, Maximus Web Browser, dedicated Facebook (or whatever) app or simply go radical and use only a RSS reader.

I would Like to choose if I want Ms Office 2007 or 2010, SoftMaker Office, pTab or just a notepad app.

I would like to choose Adobe Reader LE or Foxit Reader, Haali Reader, AlReader, PocketXpdf, PocketDjVu, CHMReader.NET or MobiPocket Reader.

I would Like to choose PocketCM Image Viewer, HTC Album, Resco Photo Viewer, XnView Pocket, S2V, Photoshop.com Mobile, NoniView or Image Explorer LE.

I would like to choose Total Commander, Voyager, Resco Explorer, Throttle Explorer or WinXplore.

I would like to choose Core Player, TCPMP, Pocket DivX Player, Kinoma Free Play, PocketMVP, Real Player, Mobile Media Center, PocketTV Classic, Nitrogen Player, GSPlayer, S2P, PocketMusic, MortPlayer, FingaThing, Pomod, WinVibe, YouTube app, MyPlayer, iPlayer.

I would like to choose scientific or simple or accountant calculator.

I would Like to choose my phone suite - Phone Canvas, PhonEx, Photo Contacts, Finger Friendly Friends, Contact Manager, Sunnysoft Contacts, Inesoft Phone, Yota Phone, Nektra Contact Manager, iContact+iDialer, Avatar, PocketCM, TouchCaller, QDz, SSContact, PhoneContacts, Minimal Dialer, o3touch, Aezy Contact or Full Screen Dialer.

I would like to choose my keyboard - SPB Keyboard, Resco Keyboard, Micron, VGA Keyboard, EzInput, PocketCM Keyboard, TouchPal, Smart Key Board, TapTap, Touch Keyboard, PDA keyboard, softKEY, FleXslide, etc.

See my point? I dont Want a HTC Phone or Windows Phone I DO Want a Pocket PC.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] onesolo:
But hey, you can still disable Sense/Manila from the today and put the hell you want in your HD.

I don't get it, you just want to get rid all that things for what? To go to the Memory Settings and see that you have a looooot of free memory?!? For what?

It's like having a 8GBram with a 1TB disk computer and never use 100% it's of the capabilities...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Maybe I would like o make a Dedicated DOSBox PDA out of my Blackstone? :D

No seriosly - it's not about that. Why have Manilla and all other kinds of software in the first place if you will use something else anyway? Now I don't get that. It's about a clean slate (Now that's a name for a ROM - Tabula Rasa).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 9600xt:
i'm sorry, maybe there will be something wrog when i translated my italian rom to wwe, if you look in my signature you can see that i'm not a bogus cooker.... i will correct the rom and post a working ono soon... i'm very sorry for this problem....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ThaDoc:
I've used Miri_WM65_21889_V35.0_Premium_noManila for a while and it is really good!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Don't worry about it! :) Take your time. I didn't expect to be perfect from start.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 9600xt:
i'm uploading it, this time i tested it on my blackstone and it works as it should be ;)

will be up in few minutes
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] adempozhari:
:d :d :d :d :d :d
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 9600xt:
ok, this one is tested to work on my blackstone... so....

try it and let me know!!!

http://www.mediafire.com/?myyh5mmynnz
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sschrupp:
Yes, yes, yes, yes and yes. And some more yes!

I mean I really appreciate the hard work many of these chefs do in making ROMs with all the whistles and bells. But I can go from ROM to ROM saying I like this, but not that and each ROM will have different likes and dislikes. All due to apps and UIs that are installed. I can't exactly say, "Hey Miri, can you make your ROM with this feature of yours, but then leave that one out and replace it with Topix, and take this feature out and replace it with NRG, and..."

But if there was a blank slate ROM that was simply bare bones Windows Mobile 6.5.[whatever] that is the latest, most stable version then *I* could add the apps that I want rather than try and deconstruct and screw up someone elses ROM.

Windows Mobile is an OS. Sense, Manila, etc. are UIs placed on top of WM. All of those are simply programs added into the ROM. Without all those apps and UIs it's still a Windows Mobile phone.

It's just a cleaned out shell waiting for me to add all the bling that *I* want and will use.

So, yes please!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Semicuda:
CudaROM LT 1.40 [Online]

I just cooked and tested a ROM pretty much to your specs, including XDA_UC and regular UC. Core functionality is working, give me a heads up on any bugs I may have missed.

This is a absolutely bare-to-the-bones WM 6.5.5 ROM with only very few apps preinstalled. It's for those of you that like to piece your system together cab by cab :)

Included packages (in addition to the bare minimum):

Release History:

v1.40

- Switched to build 23534 (much faster, more stable)

Download v1.40 (CURRENT)

v1.31

- Bug in UC fixed

Download v1.31 (old)

v1.30

- Fixed SMS-sending bug

- removed XDA_UC (only regular UC via sdconfig.txt now)

- changed splash screens

Download v1.30 (old)

v1.20:

- Build updated to 28230

- CommMgr added

- ConnectionSetup added

- Marketplace and MyPhone removed

- Minor tweaks/fixes

Download v1.20 (old)

v1.10:

- Initial release

Download v1.10 (old)

I appreciate your feedback!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
Thank you both very much. I'll start testing right away and get back to you. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
this is to me the most contradictory part of your request

a Windows 6.5.x based mobile with no titanium:confused::confused:

also i highly doubt if a ROM cook can create all your request

anyone who is a genius with c++ programming might just be able to help

i think :o

please mods to close this thread as i see that this may commercialize and hijack the spirit of the forum, (sharing of knowledge without expectation of a compensation)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
just reported your post to the mods
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 9600xt:
i'm really scared!!!! hauahuaha
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] insaint:
The Mods will probably be very impressed with you, wasting their time and all. And you're still totaly missing the point. Whatever.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
Chefs here dont cook for money, you should know that by now

they do it for leasure and if anyone s really happy with

their effort and feel generous, they are welcomed to make a

donation. ROMS here are made free.

why dont you try to PM the Real Cooks here like Miri, Kwbr, Energy, XannyTech etc, and provide this thread you created some

evidence that anyone of them are seroiusly looking into it