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[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Keland44:
i agree i like the fact that I can do a lot more then what the average iphone user is able to do i think if windows mobile 7 doesn't show some real game changing stuff a lot of users that are used to the ways of the old windows mobile will either continue to use the old windows mobile or switch over to android because like you said it's a good alternative.

Is it me or did the os still seem to lag even with probably a 1ghz snapdragon chip in it it's really weird to me if they don't start running tegra 2 chips for the wp7s the zune hd using the tegra chip is slick

and the capacitative touch screen looked just as bad as my resistive touch screen i have right now

i dunno with spb mobile shell coming over to android now i'm looking forward to possibly making the switch especially since i'm dual booting with android now

COME ON MICROSOFT show us your better then apple give the users what were asking for the people over here at XDA aren't stupid we make your company 100 times better don't let us down.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Makk:
True. and the reason y it'll take soo many updates is cause its not even half way to completion. they r still behind schedule. what they showed off yest is absolute non functional cover face. and just to be able to get ready for the presentation they made a small mock up os jus like what they did with 6.5. am sure alot will change by the time it is released.

the only thing i liked was a clean home screen with minimal icons. am sure we can remove the big clock if we want:)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Win_XP:
WP7 compared to the "old" WM6.5:
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] freyberry:
That chart is bull****. Whoever made it has no clue...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
What is the chart source Win_XP?

Any particular complaints?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Hojlind:
i really think its a great new and refreshing start, and the only 2 things that bugs me at the moment is:

1. Compability with old windows mobile apps. This is a serious killer, as there is an awful lot of programs out there, that is useful, but will have to be rewritten.

2. Multitasking. So far nothing much is guaranteed, but in an interview with pocketnow, Microsoft says that it will be like on the iphone, but that developers can write the apps so that they are still running. At the moment it seems like it works the same way as iphone, but more flexible. But lets see how it turns out.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Win_XP:
Don't know, I found this at the Bulgarian tech forum :)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wei2005yh:
we want wm7 but not wp7...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] juiced_belgium:
i'm not quite fond of it after seeing the presentation. I mean if i wanted an iphone i would have kept my 3Gs, changed it for a HD2 for the reason of customizing and freedom with the phone, if they take that away it's a step back in my opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pg2005:
did anyone made already millions of wm7 copies? :D:D:D

china copies anything, sorry for that
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hmota78:
No offense, but what exactly is bull**** about that chart? Sure, it does not give the whole picture, but how could it after only a few hours after the announcement of WP7S? According to information available as of now, the chart seems pretty OK to me...(of course you could know something I don't and if you do please share :))
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arag0n85:
Well, no matter if we like or dislike it, it seems that there is more people on the good side than on the bad side of like/dislike. So it may mean that most of windows mobile users will stay or think about wmp7s in the next phone and we should see polls about 6.5 and wmp7s on iPhone and android networks. That will show the power of the plataform, because the power of a plataform it's their apps and it comes when people buy them. On 6.5 most of apps were used by 3th party piracy sites and wmp7, may stop it.

If they can do it, the apps income will grow, and apps development will become more attractive, and soon, we will be looking at more developed and well ended aplications in short time.

That's the real test of the platform I guess.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bevoc:
kinda sad really

wp7 had just killed pocket pc.:(:(:(

i just hope ms will continue development of Windows Mobile and not only focus on windows phone series..

i still need my pda... if i just wanted a phone that do crazy jackass stunts, i would buy the iphone.

dont kill off WINDOWS MOBILE

or at least release courier within a year or two...

(p/s: wp7 is not windows at all....)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gkai:
Completely agree: I think they shown a very refreshing UI, much more "magazine-like" or "paper-like" than the traditional UI that are typically "screen-oriented". "Magazine-like" works well with small, very high pixel density screens imho, and it is a very bold move from MS...

But they have shown a UI embryo only: the most important things remains to be shown...In addition to 6.5 compatibility layer, and multitasking

-what kind of SDK will they offer? How will the UI integrate new apps? what design guide for those new apps? To remain consistent, developpers will have to dive in a completely new style...

-what kind of notification? Classic ones (email, sms, alarms,...) will update the tiles of course but how about notification from third-party apps?

-marketplace or cab install? this is the main one for me, a closed market place à la iPhone is what really kept me out of Apple "experience" (living inside a barbed fence is not my kind of experience ;-) )

Regarding multitasking, it is not the main thing that can make or break WM7 imho: a good notification system and a fast pause/wakeup may replace multitasking in most case, exception being music (integrated player will take care of that) and CPU intensive/slow updating apps....that do not play nice with a phone that must spare its battery imho.

The places where i would miss real multitask may be with apps demanding non-interupted connection or browser with slow internet connection...but for everything else, a well implemented "notification while sleeping" + fast wake-up may feel the same as real MT while bein more battery-friendly...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] burnblue:
Yes

The chart is from Engadget, and it is BS mainly because of stuff like "Stylus is required". Also, 6.5.3 did not get a new keyboard so that's inaccurate too. The multitouch story is inaccurate. It's just Engadget trying to present a narrative and being wrong. I never needed a stylus on 6.5.

Win Phone 7.. It exactly mathes my aesthetic sense and I want this. If you were Microsoft you'd approach this project in exactly the same way.. take accountability for branding and experience so that Windows can finally regain the marketshare it deserves. Remember everypne's complaints? "WinMo is ugly, HTC has to cover it up". "I had a Blackjack, square non-touch screen and hated it, all of WinMo sucks". "I launch a few programs and my device crashes". "I just want MS to make the Zune HD a phone and I'm sold". That is what you hear on the internet every day, and Microsoft listened. Can you blame them for addressing demand?

Now the power users are pissed off because they're nervous that control is being taken from them and MiX is too far away. They're used to things being broken and needing to patch them. And this is understandable, I want to be able to modify my phone in anyway I want too..

but I do not believe OEMs should be encouraged to cover up the Windows Experience under their own UI. That will continue to destroy Windows. I do believe that tweakers should have the ability to change and skin things.. for example I feel the Live Tiles are way too big and should be 3 across instead of 2; I feel like they should have some pop and translucency instead of being bright flat colors.. I feel the App bar needs beautification.. etc. But I have NEVER seen a version of Windows released that wasn't skinnable. It's not in Microsoft's DNA and it won't be the case now. But encouraging OEMs to cover it all up out the gate would be stupid. Even Android looks mostly the same on every device.

I want this phone. I trust them to address background processing wisely. I trust that the interface will get prettier by release time, the way 6.5 did after announcement. And I trust that XDA will still show me how to tweak to my heart's content
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kanzeon:
Hate it, hate it, hate it.

This is a kid's phone, for twitter and facebook updates and music.

I have twitter and facebook accounts, and frivolous apps and games on my current phone, but I have a pda phone because it is an essential tool: I use email, google maps, web browsers, an rss reader, and expense tracking apps every day.

When I'm bored, I will sign into to twitter or facebook, but they are distractions. The last thing I want is automatic updates that take up the whole phone telling me Sue got a new cat or Bob found a really cool new cd.

I realize that I'm in the minority. I knew that the iphone would change everything - it converted smartphones from geeky business tools to toys, and started to expand the market. The reality is there are more people who want a toy than who really need to be absolutely current on work email after hours, or who might actually find word on the road to be a lifesaver. I liked windows mobile (and now android) because they can be customized to my needs. If M$ wants to compete in the new world of cell phones, they are probably right to make what to me looks like a useless piece of junk.

I also realize that this phone will allow me to do all the things I do with my phone now, probably just as well or better - I just hate the whole focus of the UI.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Dogmann:
Hi all,

Well from what I've seen so far this is just a first peek at what they are working on and far from the finished product. Also someone correct me if I'm wrong but so far we have only seen how one person has set up his Home Screen with the Tiles he values the most and wanted. We don't yet know all the options of Tiles for Services and apps that we may be able to place here on the Home Screen that we value and want. Really IMO there is still far to little information to reach any conclusions on what we may or may not be able to do as yet.

But for now I'm more than happy with my 1GHz Snapdragon powered SPB Mobile Shell skinned WM6.5 TG01 and can afford to wait and see just what Windows Phone 7 will deliver before making any decisions or jumping to any conclusions. If when it arrives I'm not happy with what it offers that's the time I'll look around and see what suits me best but so far none of the newly announced Android handsets even if they are going to run SPB Mobile Shell 5 have my attention as yet.

Marc
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kellicros:
I have a feeling that this is just a branch out phone OS made by M$ and not really a successor of WM, but maybe I'm just ignorant, I mean, why kill the power userbase and all those 3rd party supports they have now?

Anyway, I would have loved WP7 if I am a casual user myself, but I am too used to customizing my WM6.5 and using it as a portable PC, all these comments about not being able to that anymore is just saddening.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lathera:
im thinking there will be more to the os then what they have shown so far

im thinking there will be compatibility and you will be able to make it yours .... just not as you might be used to

im sure microsoft will add more options for changing the expirience more to your liking

btw from the looks of things they allredy did

as for multytasking, i think there is multy tasking in WM7 just a difrent cind of multytasking

you dont really need a cumbersum application taking ram and battery power when you can run its core serveces by defult like geting IM messeges and sosial notifications. you dont really need an ap just a backgrown servese that dose that...

as for the UI i love it :D just like i love the zune software and my zune 120 :P

and im waiting for the first deasent phone to come out with winmo7 and im getting it

and im thinking there will be some compatebility with older aps.... not win CE 5.0 but at least 6.1 and up ... somthing will be there
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] akhnaten:
I agree. If it ends up being as locked down as MS says it will be, the platform will die.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ProdelD:
I like it.

I think it will be just as customizable as previous versions. But perhaps in new different ways.

I think it will be possible to install old cabs and run most old applications.

I think there will be multitasking in much the same way we are used to.

Realy looking forward to it, and hope to be ale to use it on my HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stemoneymonkey:
from the video's on engadget i'm not impressed, i'll stick with my hd2 thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Antboy:
I like it a lot. I also suspect that it'll be more open to modding than we expect.

Even if there's no official sideloading of apps, the use of XNA and Visual Studio suggests that we'll probably be able to do so in the same way Zune HD apps work...

Cautiously optimistic.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gpat_XDA:
Man, you spend a lot on mobile broadband because Vodafone Italy is the most treacherous mobile operator EVER. Just switch to H3G or something. I spend 5€ for a 3gb monthly data allowance.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lsainsbury:
I've been a Windows Mobile geek since my first SPV C500 - and loved all the models I have owned.

I hate the new Windows Phone 7 Series.

Yes. You heard me right. I don't like it - I don't like anything about it.

I don't need massive 25pt font to show me what hub I'm in; I don't like the tiles; I don't like the UI or anything about it. I don't like the the fact that you can't remove the UI. Your stuck with what Microsoft give you.

The nice screen is not used to full ponential - just look at the screen estate that's not used.

I don't own an Xbox - I've not intrested in having my xbox avatar on my phone or my game card or whatever it's called - why would I want it on there?

And the Zune stuff? Again - I just need a simple media player. The whole phone looks like a mash of stuff put together with a dodgy rubbish looking UI.

What about my current Windows Mobile apps? Tube 2? FlexWallet? I don't think they are compatible so I have to splash out on upgrades for those - that's if the software house can write apps for it.

I've very disapointed with this new OS and UI - Microsoft had an ideal opportunity to pull something radical out of the bag - in a sense they have but it's just not radical enough.

This is not a business phone. It's not a phone for 30 somethings - it's a phone for teens who want a phone like an Apple.

Yesterday was a sad day. For me - the death of Windows Mobile as it was. Goodbye old friend - you served me for many years even with the shortcomings.

I'm due an upgrade in May - in fact I can upgrade now with Orange but they have nothing I want to replace my Touch HD.

When May arrives (when my 18 month contract expires fully) I have a difficult choice - that is - jump ship and get a HTC HD2 on O2 or get the HTC Desire - and Android phone - or a Blackberry.

Sad. Gutted. Disapointed.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lapy:
i'm sad to say that i don't like Windows Phone 7 either... in last times all are concentrating their efforts in social networking.. imao there is nothing so useless in a phone. I can accept to have the dedicated social networking hub, but i can't accept such an integration with the base os. It's not like all people from all over the world are 24h/7 connected to the net...here in italy no one of my friends have a data plan, it's useless and expensive here. With sense i always disable twitter tab, but i must say i found useful the facebook profile picture associated with contacts. That's all.

I never used bing, i never used xbox.

I expected a new UI but wm6.5.x based...maybe a lot optimized, a lot simplified, but at least following the windows mobile concept we are used to.

But it's a bit early to stop hoping in a really better OS, customizable, fast and good looking.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lsainsbury:
Thank god for that...for a moment I thought it was just me on planet earth that didn't like it!
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prime_Directive:
Well as a developer...

I have seen a large ammount of comments on this that make me wonder how many whiney american teen girls too used to getting their own way are registered on this site in comparision to developers ;) I would put money on the fact that the people whining about the new OS's apparent lack of hackability are not the hackers themselves but the consumers of those hacks. Fear not whiney ones the hackers will never die they will just have something new to hack (probably more exciting for them, think about it). Ok you will actually have to WAIT for these new hacks to emerge (I know that's probably something your not good at) but hey, you never know, in that time you may learn actually enjoy using a standard platform that provides a consistent experience rather than a 'hacked' one that looks and does exactly what you think your mates will be impressed with which comes with the added bonus of being soft reset city and app incompatability ville.

Microsoft NEEDED to make a break on this one and could not continue along the path they always have and, as many fathers of whiney teen girls have found out, you can't always pander to the desires and temper tantrums of those who want it just their own way as you end up broke. They have been very smart here and and actually put something forward that is radically different which is going to take some getting used to but I believe is ultimately going to end up with better apps, more choice and an overall more pleasurable experience. It's just a pretty shocking change to deal with in the short term but if you look into the future this is completely the right choice to make.

To me this seems very exciting, as with Windows 7 this looks like MS have actually put some genuine thought into this. Both consumers and business people alike are catered for in the platform which is good as I am both ;)

The UI, while not everyones cup of tea, is a breath of fresh air and a more standard platform makes the developer in me jump for joy! At the end of the day MS NEEDED to do this and make a break (even if mostly in UI, as thats all we can tell from what we have seen so far).

I am looking forward to MIX to find out the details of programming for this new platform :)

REMEBER: You have only seen a tiny fraction of the OS the whole facebook/social networking thing seems big to people because we haven't seen the whole picture yet (and let's be fair Microsoft aren't going to not let you use the phone until you enter your facebook login now are they?). Just because it's integrated into the OS doesn't mean it's the be all and end all of the phone. If you don't use the social networking aspect just don't use it, dead simple ;) You'll still be able to use the other base features like camera, phone, music player, email, text messaging etc... (the list goes on) It's just that the people who do use it will get a better experience as with the rest of the features on the phone
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
I probably would have been wowed by your extraordinary command of ideas if they hadn't been so overshadowed by your obsession with teenage girls.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prime_Directive:
LOL, fair point you have caught me a cropper there ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
Your Isle English has confounded me sir. Even Google was a little confused. Is this in the ball park?
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Prime_Directive:
Indeed my fine fellow... Ok my use of the phase was a little hacky but i guess that's kind of in the spirit of this forum ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] _X_:
Stop using Google :)

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+a+cropper

http://www.bing.com/search?q=come+a+cropper&go=&form=QBLH&qs=n&sc=1-14
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
I wouldn't dare question your usage. As far as I'm concerned, that little flag above your posts is a badge of authority on the topic. Anyway, I figured you were quite the jackass after that post. And you probably are, but then so am I, either way, you're a good sport and I like you, so I'll engage you on the topic if you're game.

You suggested that a controlled enviornment might be to my (quaint, girlish) liking if I gave it a chance. And frankly, I don't really doubt that. If I had money to blow, I could find room in my arsenal for a little gadget that just does what it was designed to do and no more, and does it well. Something that doesn't need to be so heavily customized in the first place.

But I've spend my entire life using gadgets in ways their creators had not imagined or intended or approved. Some of those pursuits were worthwhile, some perhaps weren't, but I enjoyed doing it. So since that's what I enjoy, and I can get what I want out of less controlled environments, and I don't have an extra x hundred dollars laying around for a nice stable controlled enviornment device on top of my general mobile device; why should I give it a try and shut down a bunch of avenues of gadget enjoyment that have become a staple of my mobile life? Especially when we both know that a great deal of the focus of that control is going to be in bringing easy integrated social access to tools I

don't

use or want? Shouldn't I be on a platform that focuses on things I

do

want?

To wit, why would I let Microsoft of all companies dictate my experience? I've been using Microsoft products for more than 16 years, and I can't imagine a company less qualified to tell me how to interface with technology . I've been a user all this time because I could control the products sufficiently to cover up MS's ideas of how I should do things (and because the products that I *really* use to interface with tech run on Windows). I mean, really, if I wanted a "just works" device, I'd let Apple (or even Palm) control my experience. They're both better at it. If I'm going to assign control of my user experience to someone, do I really want to let someone who still has their user experience training wheels on, or someone who has been around the block and back again?

Now you're right of course, we've only seen the surface of this thing: but you and I both know that Microsoft just completely changed their mobile vocabulary. They're talking about user experience and branding control in a very Apple kind of way. They've let it slip that manufacturer UIs are out (TF3D, Touchwiz, Sense), and they're taking a lot control they've left open 'till now. We don't know how much yet, but I think it's at least safe to have the "do I want a controlled enviornment" discussion now.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Will_nonya:
I have to agree with the first post, if you like what we have now its nothing too impressive but if you forget about all that we currently have in windows mobile its probably better than the alternatives.

Sure if you cut out enough functionality it will seem simpler to the masses and locking out custom UIs will give them a stronger identity but there has to be a better way. maybe something novel like making their UI better than everyone elses so people WANT to use it not trying to force them to use it.

If I wanted a zune or an iphone clone i would have bought one but maybe we'll hear less about the iphone. at least until they reinvent something like 3g or voice command...

Viva la conformity!