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[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
That's why it's the best out there...
[Nexus One General] glyndal:
AT&T users:

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2010/02/htc-desire-coming-to-telstra-in-april/

Desire is coming to Australia with NextG support (which is on 850). Could be possible alternative for AT&T people who want 3G with a htc snapdragon android phone?
[Nexus One General] OnlinePredator:
Settle down fan boys! I admit the nexus one is sexier, although couldn't deal with all its build shortcomings. My mates has dust under the screen, dirt in the trackball, has terrible 3g issues still after the update and warranty replacement, and all he keeps talking about is getting sense on his N1. Lol at keeping yourself clean, keeping yourself clean does not stop oil/grease coming from your finger tips (natural secretion) and heads up, dust is everywhere (except maybe space and a vacuumed room)

And whoever was saying bah to the hardware buttons not vibrating lol, they don't need to vibrate as you know when you are pressing them!!! The only reason the touch buttons need a software vibration is because you wouldn't know if you pressed them or not LOLOLOLOL. I have had a Touch HD for a year and HATE the touch sensitive buttons, I would NEVER go with a phone again that has these. Nothing beats the tactile feel of a hardware button, not even some vibration. Oh and remember that these hardware buttons are lit up so You can see them in the dark..

Just remember that some people don't want to have to deal with slightly updated/slightly buggy roms that yes might have the latest updates but wil also bring bugs etc into the mix. I for one want a phone I will not have to root or constantly backup and restore my data.

And just a heads up, I have heard a lot of rumors that the Desire does not support 720p recording, so the nexus will not either if this is true.

The desire is barely bigger than the N1, BARELY!

Don't forget the helicopter view of all the homescreens that N1 dosn't have, (HTC implementation) Aswell as all the other software implementations that HTC has done to make Android better including text resizing in the browser, better copy paste at any screen where there is text.

And a heads up, if you watch all the videos, you will realize that most of the demo phones are hard-reset after a long use.............Then when the journalist picks the phone up it has to load all the data for the sense widgets initially........That's your so called lag.........

Desire MAY be a fair bit cheaper.

I should also mention the lack of 3d effects found on the desire, so probably a lot fast to load the menu etc.

Lol thats my 2c ;-) (having a crap day at work so sorry if I cause too much offense, just stating what everyone is talking about, and what is evident from the videos and reviews.
[Nexus One General] jamesyb0i:
As said before, this is a software battle and we all know Google sets the software trend in Android, better to leave all bets on the winning horse. Sense UI has a better twitter widget, but the interface becomes limiting and you can't really make it your own
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Your mate is obviously one unlucky person to have such bad issues, and it is quite obvious that dirt was going to get on the trackball regardless - while its also easy to clean. HTC has also said they have "fixed" the dust issue, or at least recognized it. The touch capacitive buttons also light up..

The N1 doesn't need the helicopter view as it has the long press thing that shows all of the pages. It seems like a pretty useless feature regardless, I doubt I will rarely ever use it when I put Sense on my N1. And I don't know where you get this load up lag on the N1 from, it rarely ever hiccups..
[Nexus One General] OnlinePredator:
Sorry mate I meant the actual animations itself take time, like from when ou press the menu button. -and yea he's real pissed off, I don't think htc have done anything to fix it in any new batched though, might be leaving it as it's Google's phone not HTC's.

"As said before, this is a software battle and we all know Google sets the software trend in Android, better to leave all bets on the winning horse. Sense UI has a better twitter widget, but the interface becomes limiting and you can't really make it your own"

Ah yea you can mate, it's still android....... you just get a whole lot more widgets from htc...
[Nexus One General] anthro:
I wonder why I'm not experiencing any of those issues. I don't have any dust in the screen (I don't live in the space and a vacuumed room. my place is full of dust), I don't notice any dirt in the trackball, and I don't use 3g at all. It's too expensive in my country that I didn't even try. I don't know if I'm going to have those issues if I try 3G here, though.
[Nexus One General] OnlinePredator:
Living the dream hey? ;-)

I really hope that they both have support for 720p video recording....REALLY HOPE.
[Nexus One General] Android Touch:
I rather have faster Android 2.X updates then having a Sense UI which most likely will be stuck on 2.1 till' Android 3.0 comes out.
[Nexus One General] OnlinePredator:
Will be interesting to see if HTC will push forward updates quicker due to the new relationship between them and google? If not just root it ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Makk:
UPDATE: Thanx for participating in the poll but kindly leave a small comment along with it. Thanx:)

When we say Windows Mobile, what is the first thing that comes to your mind? Emmmmm…

To read more go here - Windows Phone 7 might really die before its even Out?

Lets hear what you guys have to say.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] havox22:
what about love it hate it..u should add a poll but im getting 1 when they come out
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lunie:
It has new **** so i might as well love it. :P
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Makk:
hmmm. lets see how much we can crack open this os..
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fuzzywerewolf:
looks outdated visually boring like all things microsoft lately. The official statement appears to be Manufacturers will also be restricted to the smart tile user interface so not a smart move when you compare with the Android System.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] techSage:
I'm not worried about losing the freedom that we have on WinMo - I'm confident that the community here will find a way - and a great way, at that - to allow everyone to get what they want out of WP7, or the way I put it to my friend: I'm sure XDA-Devs will have there way with WP7. :)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] derliebewolf:
I like the look and feel alot!!

But somehow I fear we will loose all our custimisazion possibilities...like custon ROM's simple apps, Registry tweaks, etc...

But lets see...
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] wmh:
Like it quite a bit, seeing some great potential there.

I'm happy to see Microsoft used the Zune interface as guideline as many, including myself, liked the interface and where "hoping"/"seeing" the possibility of a phone entry to the Zune's menu structure. In this case Microsoft went further even and expanded on that UI just like i feel the Zune interface is an expanded/further developed titanium UI. Thank god we get rid of Touchflo/Sense finally, always hated it, but that's just my personal opinion ofc.

Next to that the new zoom/rendering/cleartype is very nice and a great addition to any OS.

Personally i dont care too much about all the social networking features as i hardly use them myself and suspect europeans overall use these less than americans. However i like the widespread intergration of these things, from the photo app, the Me tile etc. to the automatic selection of contact information.

Hope our great dev's and myself here at XDA will figure out the inner workings of it and be able to polish it to our liking.

my two cents for now :)
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] D@vide:
Wait to see how much the new OS is far to customizations, I belive that here at XDA we can hack again ;) but why the no Power user can't? I don't complain with this new Apple/like orientation.

Hope it's not like it seems

D@vide
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] WhyBe:
Looks good to me. It is what I was expecting from a new OS. It isn't just rehashing and repackaging old ideas. I just hope there will be a call manager available for it :p
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] madnish30:
It looks good and advanced.

The only fear is that microsoft will go the apple way and cut the developments........

If m$ has not done that there is not better company !

If m$ has done that ( and done successfully ! ) its a sad day for XDA community.

Hope for the best be prepared for the worst !

Jump over to android if m$ has backstabed us :rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] henrik.dk:
OS is just an OS. The application is more important.

If all the application needs to rebuild, I will simply go for android.

Why should I pay for an OS, when the efforts in the industry is now to be open source? What makes the os distictive are efficiency, multitask, free of dead lock ....But not UI.

If windows phone could make application runs on my HD lighting fast, I might go for it.

It is definetly the end to charge for a mobile OS. Will the greedy M$ make it free for us? If not, it is likely the end of wm.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Win_XP:
Good UI, but too sad if we loose all stuff cooked over this forum....
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexleon:
windows 7 plays around microsoft services! buy only if u need these services
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skr_xd:
Now i understand why microsoft is not completely burying their 6.5.x series development:D

WM7 at its present state is not for me or for business people.

It is for Iphonish common consumers.

I was expecting WM7 to be an OS with same functional menus & functionalities as previous versions but UI but built on silverlight with zune & Xbox integration. Such a thing would have made WM7 to appeal all types of customers.

Its sad that micrsoft has decided to go in a rather commercial way as apple.

Unless WM7 supports custom skinning like Sense or Mobile shell, i don't think microsoft is going to win here.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] John Cipolletti:
They Need You

Years ago, in the dark ages, I was given a prototype computer from Europe to work with and redesign it if necessary. It was necessary. With some skill and a lot of luck I rebuilt a great computer for its time. The American company who owned the European rights to this computer was sinking $200 million into making this machine work for the US market. I was an independent designer (who had already upgraded this computer) and this large company did not want to listen to me or even give me anything for my work. So I never turned over the secrets to them but I wrote software for it for my software company. They worked on this computer for another 8 months and finally solved the problems. In the end, because other companies (like Commodor) beat this computer (that was way ahead of the others) to market, this great machine never caught on. The other computers weren't better but they were first and now were being used by the public. The company who would not sign a contract with me, lost their shirts in their computer division. The company was Timex.

I feel this may be the same problem with Windows mobile. Yes, they have terrific engineers but they should also look to you all on sites like this one to really get new ideas and advice. Because of this site and the programmers on it, my WM 6.1 OS has blown away even phones with snapdragon processors. I hope WM doesn't become a third rate OS because of their not listening to people like you on this site.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theclueless:
too little is revealed on the presentation, to me at least. i dont use social networking nor LIVE service (i do have XBOX360). i need a good organizer, customizable layout, multitasking, and NOT iphone alike!
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chalid:
WP7S seems to be too stripped down, compared to current WM versions. The press conference didn't go into detail, but I fear the highly customizable OS we came to know is a thing of the past - which is a bad thing imo.

But luckily Android is becoming a nice alternative.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rudegar:
the problem for ms is that so far most apps since pocketpc2000 works on our devices so if we can suffer the UI there are tons of apps free and paied you can use

leaving that would mean that android and even nokia n900 (also linux based) are already way ahead of ms in terms of apps and getting fancy games running also a thing ms say is not the aim of wm7 from the rumours i read say and if thats the case the no good gaming options

then iphone / ipod touch are also ahead of them

so far ms had pretty good development res for their mobiles being .net and microMFC as core techs

where iphone / ipod touch required you to buy a mac to make apps which given apples market % few developers had

not sure about how good the symbian/android/n900 development tools are

as an sdk is not really enough to make a good IDE
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fards:
to be honest i find it pitifully bad.

as i was expecting it too be as soon as the words "stop, thinking off it as a pc, its a phone" came put right near the start.

no matter how much bull and spin and pr hype they put on it its a list based os. list after list after list...

this isn't really what people want is it?

I was really hoping for innovation instead its gone back 8 years.

forget windows phone, its gone windows dumb phone
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vangrieg:
I guess you meant "MS could help themselves"? Or is it known that submissions would be free?

At least for freeware apps charging $100/5 apps is clearly too much. I would rather not share an application at all than go through all this hassle.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmbillings:
Yes - I meant *could* help themselves.

I guess there could be a scale:

Apps up to $2 retail - dev submission is free

< some interim bands>

Apps over $50 (say TomTom submit their nav app...) - $100 fee etc.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] maxxio:
they just securing investments in facebook

exactly right ,all they created is just copycat iphone world with locked os (no more tweaks or regedit as we know right now), locked apps (no 3th party or our own apps anymore , only microsoft approved apps and only from microsoft app store so forget about beaming stuff via bluetooth from phone to phone ), they completely change the game which i fully understand cos they just want to secure their large investments in facebook so why dont create a facebook phone, over 350 million user worldwide why dont give them ultimate tool + with implemented xbox live with few million xbox live users on top of it make it really sweet "killer feature" for all those facebook maniacs...

Thanks god for all that million corporate users who need their "ultimate tool" for real work not for facebook or xbox live and microsoft cant afford lose it (or give it to other players) so there will be two Windows mobile OS , Windows phone series and Windows mobile classic series where our baby stay open as before.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] RustyGrom:
Please post a link to all these things that "you know" because none of this has been announced.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Joppe93:
I like the interface, I hope the freedom of windows mobile stays
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Auxarius:
I really like WinMo mainly because I can pretty much flash it every day, getting new versions of software that makes it easy for me to communicate with the world - but lately I'm flashing my HD less and less, because it's feature rich, stable and fast enough for me not to go trough hassle of hr and cabs reinstall. What that means is that I know, that this device is pretty much at the very end of it's lifecycle - I can't really get anything more out of it. I have new manila with nice facebook and twitter integration, live and myphone are syncing my contacts and mail, activesync is syncing gmail calendar - it all works, it's clunky, but it works. And that's pretty much what I expect from my phone - to integrate all of that stuff and make it easily available. That means that if today I'd be presented with a rom that's stable, fast (in WinMo standards), feature rich and bugfree - I'd flash it and probably wouldn't check rom development forums until I got a new device.

What that means is that if W7S delivers all that integration out of the box, is fast, looks nice and works - I won't really feel the urge to change it, because the only reason I edit registry, flash etc is because I simply feel my device doesn't do what I need it to do.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nosh10:
looks very nice but i'm not sure what to make of it without actually getting some playtime. only then will i know wether i like it or not, but i do have some worries about apps.ie only available from ms app store.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] andylayo:
I like it.

I think microsoft as hit the nail on the head with the new Window7 ui. Windows 7 needed to look not just on par with modern smartphones but it needed to set a benchmark that others would try and copy.Much like apple did in 07.

It is a bit plain looking but very modern and looks easy to navigate,which both are very important.It makes other ui look very dated.

I think the new ui looks like you are browsing the net or flicking through a magazine with just square picures and text,We all do these things every day and I think microsoft has adopted this visual aproach.

All I hope is that they dont release it to early and un unfinished.They will only get one crack of the whip so they need to make it count.If they can tempt buyers away from other brands remains to be seen.

Make it smooth,consistant and reliable then I think you are onto a winner!:D
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jullian_d:
i think the main reason we cook and tweak is because the classic OS dosnt work well out of the box and that can be because of the variantions in hardware specs so with 7 series running on one standard architecture we should be seeing a more stable platform..as for backward compatability we will just have to wait until next month to see what they have in store..another concern is where is windows standard..but i am liking the new OS so far and
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
No platform will ever provide everything you need or want out of the box. "Doesn't work well out of the box" is a relative term -- doesn't work well for who? A platform that's open to tweaking will always be better for people who don't want to adapt their mobile expectations to a device, but expect the mobile device to adapt to their mobile expectations.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bobaka:
ugly and stupid

there is no possible way i would ever use this thing..
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] donnellb:
Cannot wait.

I just hope the oems can enable things like motion backgrounds or atleast a static wallpaper behind the tiles. Just changing the color would suck.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] testmail001:
I hate being told what to do. That's why I hate Apple products. Because there is only one right "Apple" way.

Recently in a Polish tech magazine "Chip" there was a comparison between mobile OSs: Android, iPhone, Symbian, WM6.5. Of course Windows came up last, and to some extent I agree with it (though Symbian aheat of WM??? WTF?) but only because they considered clean systems. Somewhere in the article they used a key word regarding WM: platform. It's a platform, and the fact that they tolerate this forum is the best proof. They know, that without such initiatives their system would truly be on the last place. The main strength of WM lies in customizability and endless possibilites regarding every portion of the system. Apps, UI, you name it.

And this brings me to my point. WP7S IS nice. I love the clean, smooth UI. Hardware is superb. It WILL be a great phone people WILL love. But I'm afraid that they will take away this one thing that makes all the difference for me. Freedom. I'm afraid they will confine my user experience to their, very narrow, standards. If they do, my bet is that power users will shift to Android.

The truth is we don't know much about the system yet, so I hope they'll prove me wrong.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Wilhelm:
Exactly. WM isn't unusable out of the box. The customization makes it more convenient and versatile. One of these days you'll discover a shortcoming with WP7 and it will be harder (if not impossible) to fix it.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] owenw:
Pretty much everyone here is stuck in their ways. Microsoft needed a change and this change is good. Either accept that, or GTFO to WM6.xx
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] fortunz:
You make being stuck in one's ways sound bad. Why would I change my way when it works for me? :confused:
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rfarrah:
It's not a matter of being stuck in a "way". It is a matter or being able to make your phone do what you really want it to do. The new "way" would make it appear that the new and better OS will eliminate those options.

The Alternative have already been explored.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kevinpwhite:
No thank you !

Initial impressions of the skin / form of this thing are definitely not to my taste.

The most fundamental objection I have though is the presumption that the user should be so completely constrained to a format defined by the OS/OEM. Surely the last few years of experience - seeing the wide range of things the inginuity of the user community has achieved to date.

This goes waaaay beyond the original 'vanilla' version of any of the WM variants to date.

Surely they don't really believe that the community is going to meekly adopt this degree of restriction ? All appears to be a seriously misguided attempt to copycat the current fad for 'i' everything.

:( Hugely dissapointed. :(
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rdavidsmith:
I already have a blackberry and a iphone...if i wanted another one from winmo i would have bought two iphones. if it sucks im done and switching to droids:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mr. Makk:
new winmo 7 is a new piece of cake. am happy with current winmo 6.5.x hoping that is gets further ui improvement to photon.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] barathn:
I wonder How can people love all doors closed OS ?

I seriously dont like microsoft following same footprint of apple.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Scotsman828:
The WP7 UI strangly reminds me of Windows ME. Anyone remember this short lived OS? Wasn't alot you could do with that OS either.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] leeuwtjevanjuda:
At first sight, I really liked it. I still like the Metro UI. But without copy/paste, File system controll, and multitask it is'nt appealing to me anymore. There was a reason I didn't bought an Iphone, and now they are becoming more like an Iphone.
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tmaniac:
at first i thought "wow, looks good!"

then i started reading about all the things you are NOT ALLOWED or not able to do on the phone.

On the 6.x builds you had all the freedom you wanted...and now microsoft has created an iPhone clone with a windows kernel.

sad, very sad.

They take away the freedom with this os, and that's my vote.

stickin to my HD2 with winmo 6.5.3
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pilgrim011:
Here's what I think:
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] havox22:
add water proof to both the stone & wp7 in your sig :D
[Windows Phone 7 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sm3rtlag3l:
HATE IT.

It's a ****ty iPhone clone.