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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tt_ttf:
A couple of strange things with the latest load....

text messaging locks up occasionally and seems to need a SR to get back sometimes - other times it will come back but it can take some time to do so

lost the h/w keyboard a couple of times opening up whilst drafting a text message - needed an SR to get it back

occasionally seem to have real bad lag when dragging across the bottom

I tried Task 29 and then reloading the ROM but that did not seem to address these issues.

On the latest load I have loaded nothing that was not part of the load. Any clues?

Beyond that - Love the ROM - got hooked on your cooking with the TP/Fuze until it's touch screen peeled and died.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
Lag?

I'm going to try to do a HR tonight to see if there is a quirk or something.

In the last couple days, I've noticed that after a couple weeks with the latest

two roms, the menus start to slow down. Click on email, and there is a considerable lag before the mail is shown. Just me? Or is anyone else seeing

that? Pretty much stock on my end, nothing exotic installed, tweaked or peaked. Ryan, I think you have a list of what I tweaked from the last time,

it's the same. Titainium 99% of the time....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
I've definitely noticed this as well. A lot of it is with SMS, but that's HTC Messaging getting slow when it gets a bunch of messages in it. That's the main reason I can't wait for a Sense-free version of this ROM. The dialer works so much better than the last Sense-free release ;)

But yeah, on my phone the menus, email client, browsers, music players...everything really...all do seem much snappier right after a HR then start to lag over time. I can't really pin it down to anything that would cause it. Everything installed on my phone right now was done during UC after the last flash. The mail client is a great example. It's taking about 12 seconds to open on my phone now...after a HR it's usually about 4-5.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tt_ttf:
That's what prompted my update to the latest version and then Task 29 effort - at first it's fine but as time rolls on the UI and especially messaging slows to a crawl and locks up
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
I've even tried doing one of those cleaner/free ram programs but to no avail.

I'm not sure what's slowing it down. Yeah, I notice the text message slowing down too, but like you said, I'm sure it's the screwy manila messaging doing that, but it's weird how everything start lagging. If you really want to see it slow down, be in the middle of reading an email, and have someone call you on the phone, LOL, the UI just gets confused, half displaying the dialer, and half displaying something else. I'm clueless what's going on.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
You can work around most of the Messaging (SMS, not email) slowness by deleting messages after you read them. The more messages stored in there, the slower it goes. Even the HD2 guys with 1Ghz processors are having that same problem with it. It's a little bit of a pain, but it helps a lot. The other niggle I have with HTC Messaging is that if you go between it and the built in lock screen a few times (having a text conversation and locking your phone between messages) it will freeze up the lock and need a soft reset.

As far as the rest of the slowdown, I'm at a loss too. I always monitor what's running pretty closely, and my configuration hasn't changed at all since my last flash when it was performing well. The worst for me is when I have BeyondPod playing a podcast and I get a phone call. It works OKish for the first week or two after a reset, but after that I don't have a chance of answering it.

I may just have to get back into the habit of doing a HR once a week. That's one thing I miss about cooking ROMs...I never went more than two days between flashes, so I didn't have these kinds of problems :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
I hear ya on HR'ing...when the ROM's were coming out new every couple days, it wasn't a big deal to be reflashing every other night. It's not that big of a pain for me to flash once a week, I only have 3-4 apps I install, and everything phonebook/address/calendar wise is backed up with myphone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] anit77:
I'm seeing the same thing. It seems like messaging as a whole (text, email & phone book) has really started to slow down the entire system. I thinking about disabling mannila messaging to see if there is any improvement. This is the 1st build in quite some time where I haven't removed it right off the bat after flashing.

This latest version of messaging seems to be quite an improvement but there's still a couple things missing, like spell check in text, but I can live without them. It's the lag that is killing me. There is one thing I'm going to try before completely removing it and that's deleting all of my texts and cleaning up my emails, deleting all that aren't needed, to see if that could be the culprit. I'll let you know what I find...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
I use to remove manila messaging right off the bat too, but, if I remember, doesn't it break MMS, requiring you to put the settings back in the connections thingy?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Its HTC messaging causing it. If you disable messaging run RR Connection settings in tweaks to fix MMS
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tt_ttf:
RR ATT settings link?

I get an unsuccessful message when I try that after using the disable manilla messaging tweak
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
Yep, me too....something "broke"...it use to work it older versions ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tt_ttf:
I got MMS working but it seems to have broken exchange push and notificiation

I got push back by toggling it but cannot get new email notifications to work

But hey if it keeps having the UI lock I can live with it!!!

I again have to say the ROM rocks!!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
It always breaks the bubble notification but the one on top bar should still work. Not sure why it would break exchange. Im working on a new version sand a no manila version. Been preparing for my daughters 16th birthday and getting my boat ready for summer so things have been moving slow lol. Hope to roll something out tomorrow.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] anit77:
I never had a problem disabling messaging & then running Ryan's RR cab in tweaks in the past. I still haven't killed messaging yet this time as cleaning up everything seems to have given some pep back.

I don't use push or exchange so I'm of no help there.

With notifications, it used to annoy me at 1st when there wouldn't be balloons but then I thought "how many notifications do I really need?". Before disabling messaging there are 3. After, like Ryan said, there's still 1 up top.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
Not just messaging seems my other apps are slower to respond also trying to pick an option from a pull down menu has a lag now, the other thing I've been having an issue with is the accuracy when making a choice on the screen, touch one choice and get the one above it, run align screen but it doesn't seem to 'fix' it for long

waiting for the next nonmanila
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
Oh boy! Now dad can really worry...once she gets her drivers license, but, if you forget to worry, I'm sure your insurance company will remind you ;)

They grow up too fast!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tt_ttf:
Going into Comm manager and toggling the Push setting seems to have fixed the Exchange issue. Either that or when I checked values for the server etc. But immediately after the disable reg entry it was definitely not getting email without a send/receive

I suspect the issue comes from the fact that the HTC Message client seperates SMS/MMS from Email vs the all in one approach with it disabled.

There was a couple of strange things with a certificate warning and needing to blow out all existing SMS/MMS messages for messaging to work properly but it is now working well after a bit of clean up and SR
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] spideyngo:
Arrupenthal my brother of another mother

HTC Fuze dead

HTC Tilt 2 here I come. RRE I'm joining your party!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
must have been the approaching storm yesterday but my apps for work became almost useless due to.........waiting........for them to respond and the inaccuracy with the stylus, finally said F'it and task 29'nd plus loaded the previous nonmanila made me long for WM6.1 roms.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
Help

Even after Task 29 and loading previous nonmanila build getting the same problems,...very slow to respond,screen selection errors with stylus.

Could messaging be the blame with slowing down my apps and recognition errors on the screen? There were only a few messages as I just Task 29nd them.

Yikes may have to try something like the stripped down 'clean' rom from Da_G as work is too demanding to have these problems around.

Any suggestions are appreciated

Happy Mothers Day, time to go out with my kids mother
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Welcome to the party ;)

Yeah if you have a ton of stuff in inboxes and then disable it gets cranky.

Flash stock rom radio and all. Guarantee you be amazed after reflashing a custom ;)

@all

Mothers day and the Birthday party are now behind me ;)

I can donate some real time to getting the new version out finally.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
Keep on waiting

Yea I suspect the stock rom is no bed of roses either with hangups and having to do SR's

I did set the menu bar size back to stock and got rid of HTC messaging and it's a little better

Thanks for your reply will be watching out for the new stuff
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
I think he was suggesting flashing to stock (instead of using Task 29) then back to RRE. Flashing a different ROM (especially the stock ROM) just seems to clear things out better. Kind of like the difference on a hard drive between deleting a file and deleting a file then writing data in it's place.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
Thought Task 29 was like a reformat but I'm willing to try flash stock then flash RRE; for the time being no major pausing or stylus errors today so planning to sit tight until new RRE's

thanks for your input
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
I thought it was just the messages that got slow/laggy with the manila messaging, but I found out that disabling it also improved the email program.

I have a separate folder for saved email, and it can have at times 8-10

emails. Since disabling manila messaging, it's not near as slow as it was.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
Oddly disabling HTC messaging also seems to make the contacts screens work better. The only problem (and the reason I can't disable it) is that if you have a shell like Sense or Mobile Shell that displays the unread counts of your inboxes, disabling HTC messaging will break that for the SMS box. The notification still goes active on the top bar, but the shell's count never registers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
Guess that's why I never noticed that....I use Titanium 99% of the time.

About the only time I use Sense is just to show someone what it looks like.

Sense 2.5 is pretty good on the Rhodium, and the cookers have done a darn good job of porting it to work on the Rhodium, but this platform suffers from a lack of horsepower. The HD2 has a 1ghz processor and (I think) hardware supported video driver(s).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tt_ttf:
back to having lockups even with HTC messaging disabled....something is just not stable over time
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
Have you tried running task29, then installing the rom? A TON of people

swear by it ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
New rom getting posted now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] srsaleenstang:
thanx arupt i can finaly flash once more. tell you how it goes the other Rom is still running solid for me
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
Figures....was bored, ran task29 last night, reflashed. Just a bit "snappier".

Since it will be RAINING ALL WEEKEND, I'll have time to update it to the

new rom. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
LOL tomorrow will be the first day in 5 it hasnt rained here :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
updated, fingers crossed last night

Thank god I have my computer connected to a UPS!

There were no storms, no rain showers in the area when I went to update

the rom last night around midnight. Around 45% through the update, the POWER went off in the entire block! The flash finished without any problems, but I was sweating bullets! Power was off almost the entire night, according to the log, it came back on around 4am. No mention why in the paper.

So far, can't find any issues with the rom, other than when the power went off, I have a few more gray hairs on my head!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mr_zero:
So far so good on V6.3. Gonna test more to see if any issue. Thanks Ryan.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kahibbi:
Upgrading now ...

Running Task 29, loading the stock ATT ROM, upgrading to the new 6.3 build, doing a hard reset, then seeing how it runs. The previous version I was on was basically good, but would lock up in messaging (when it was refreshing the screen and I slid the keyboard at the same time), and of course the dialer. Other than that, it worked well, though maybe a little sluggish every once in a while.

Will report back once I get it up and running and can spend some time with it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
I noticed that also...I think HTC changed messaging too much at one time.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kahibbi:
Had the same lock up issue with messaging today in the new version. I guess I have to be more patient, and maybe pay more attention.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
I don't think it's you...I've always had that problem with HTC Messaging. Even back on the Touch Pro. If you open and close it quickly too many times, you can usually lock it. Are you using the built in windows lock screen? I have lots of lockups when HTC Messaging and the lockscreen start fighting.

On that note, Arupp, you think this one is stable enough to cook a no-sense version? Aside from the typical HTC Messaging troubles, it seems rock solid on my phone. Love to be able to ditch the slow messaging system.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Yeah im working on it now as a matter of fact. Im fed up with HTC messaging. I have no clue how HTC sees it as a usable feature...... Im hoping tomorrow night.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
messaging

will the no manila build have WM messaging or HTC messaging as the default?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
WM messaging.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
Thanks for the reply flashing the latest manila build now and depending on how things go may or may not flash the next no manila build, I like manila it is sexier but more aggravating(always the way isn't it LOL) disabiling htc messaging shouldn't be an issue with the manila build is it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
The disable scripts work great with only one problem. If you disable HTC Messaging, shells like Sense or SPB Mobile Shell lose the ability to display the number of unread text messages. You still get a notification on the top bar, just no bubble in Sense on the slider bar.

As much as I like having Sense there to play with, I can't wait for a build w/o HTC Messaging. It's pretty, but it's so badly written... Now that everyone's looking ahead to Win Phone 7, I don't think HTC's going to ever bother to fix it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
thanks for the info xawen, I suspect after playing with this build I'll go to arrup's next no manila, I like the current fighting between HTC and iPhone believe it will lead to more competition and better devices, too bad this phone will not be compatible with wm7 but suspect the chef's may try
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Uploading now. Probably will not be able to post till morning.

File name will be RRERhodiumV6.3.051810NOMANILA.zip
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
Haven't done a lot of testing, but looks great so far. Thanks, I forgot how fast the no manilla builds are. :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Yeah its fast as hell ;)

I turned off the top bar notification enhancement and menu enhancement. Use the tweaks for them if you really want them back on. Im also cleaning up some other crap.

Im working on a new manila build but I want to cook it without HTC messaging and see how it works. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
One Night Stand

Ran the latest manila without problems overnight and this AM however my need for speed is overbearing so flashing the nomanila now thanks for your work arrup will let you know how it goes
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xawen:
No kidding about the speed. I feel like I have my phone back :) I was almost ready to ETF and go to an Incredible on Verizon.

I turned the notification and menu enhancement back on just to test. The enable scripts both work ok, and don't seem to affect the speed so you're good with the way you have it.

When I was doing the Touch Pro ROM, I cooked sense without HTC messaging. I had to use the mod that amarullz wrote though. The SMS tab in sense used to flake out (like doesn't work at all) if you didn't have HTC Messaging installed. His mod replaces that tab with a stripped down version that's compatible with windows messaging. Problem is, he never adapted it to wvga.

A while ago I tried to edit the lua to make it work in wvga, but never finished it. If you've got anyone that knows lua, it should be a quick fix...but it's apparently not a good one for a first attempt :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
Cookie Home tab problem

Arrup

went to load the cookie home editor in reg tweaks in latest nonmanila and after the cab ran got the message there is a version mismatch and program doesn't open
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Hdstreetglide:
No DNS Server

Ryan, Is your server down? I get a DNS server is not responding error when I try to download the no manila version. :confused:

It's back up now ( Thursday Morning )
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
No need its manila dependant. Just click the link again and uninstall it. I just left em in there because It takes forever to reset the folder.

Not sure ill look into it. Ill upload to another location in the meantime.

EDIT: Seems to be down. Might be maintenance. 23 min for reupload to megaupload.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Mirror

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=C93A4426
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 4bettilt2:
thanks

Thanks for your reply Arrup, after I posted the cookieMonster question I went on that thread and figured it was a manila thing, should have checked that thread before posting, Oh well Chome editor here I come
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
No Manila

Thanks for popping out the no manila version Ryan.

Not having the manila overhead sure does speed up things.

Sense UI is "pretty", but I like speed over pretty, but, can't really

complain about the 2.5 sense, didn't it get cobbled together from an

HD2 phone rom?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kahibbi:
Anybody having issues with the device name changing?

Twice in a row today alone, I have synched to have the device name change on my phone. I noticed it because after the previous sync, I had no "People" in the People tab, no calendar appointments, no Contacts!

I just changed the device name and tried synching again and during the sync ... it got partially through in updating Contacts and such ... it looked like it was hanging so I checked the device name again and it was changed to some "HTCxx" something crap!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Ive never seen that. Sounds like you need to purge all old device info from WMDC and then reflash..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Hdstreetglide:
The no manila version is really good. Not a problem so far. Definetly worth the flash if you don't use sense. Great Job Ryan, Thanks for all you do.:p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Im hoping my experiment with a manila version and no HTC messaging yields as good of results. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] surfnet:
I am waiting for the manilla no htc- messaging.. seems the only problems I have relate to messaging.. And it also seems to get worse when I use the keyboard.

I currently use the disable htc messaging script.. but sometimes it seems to goto the htc messaging when I click reply.

In order to bybass that I have to click on the messaging window and then click on all messages.

That seems to work, but in there I have inbox and conversations, and I cant determine why some messages go in one box for the other.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kahibbi:
OK, I've gone in and deleted the partnership and the sync files ... which I've never had to do before. Let's see what happens now.

BUT, I still have issues with the messaging. If had to reset about half a dozen times yesterday because it locked up. And it wasn't because I slid the keyboard while it was transitioning to some other screen during messaging. It was random locking.

I have since run the reg tweak to uninstall the HTC messaging. I am not too thrilled with the look and feel of messaging now, but I am hoping this will keep my phone from locking while messaging.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kahibbi:
That didn't work ...

Stupid POS thing! This is where I wish I had an iphone and couldn't change the dang ROM.

Just plugged the phone in and the name this time was "HTC81". WTF?!

Deleting the partnership, doing a task 29, likely going back to previous version, then holding ... maybe until the new iphones come out since I don't want to wait for the Windows Phone. I know ... blasphemy ... but I'm fed up right now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aruppenthal:
If you delete all messages before disabling it you wont get both boxes. Not sure why it does that

That is a strange one. I did see name changes once but I forget why. It was a looonnnggg time ago.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] gangbang72:
Love this rom

Love this rom and specially the quick menu.. i am power user and hate manila.. REALLY REALLY requesting for TITANIUM of this rom but in simple 21xxx something release.. HATE 23xxx, it does not let me enter "drive to" in contacts for ATT NAVIGATOR, on road its pain in head to use the rom in highly advance 6.5 windows.. ANY SUGGEESTIONs of RRE rom in 21xxx ???:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] venelar:
just wanted to thank you for the latest no manila rom. finally i have broken free of the shackles of sense 2.5!