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[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Ok this is very weird!

Over at one of the biggest gadget site's engagdet.com people are very positive about this! I come to XDA, then I see this. Why are you so negative??

IMO, this at least shows they are going a NEW way with WM7. I am really really excited about this.. just 2,5 hours left!
[HD2 General] bigx86:
Yeah tell me about man, sometimes I find people here at XDA nag alot... You havent even see it in action yet. Wait until we see whats under that main ui...
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
not realy surprising as engadget are a bit more geared towards out the box use as opposed to xdev's hands on approach... ;)
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I think it look great.
[HD2 General] bigx86:
Yeah but I think its better first to know whats past the home screen, what functions and services it offers etc. etc. All we got here really is a big picture on a wall... and people already giving it the finger...

Engadget havent lifted it from the box yet nor have any xdevs been on the aproach...
[HD2 General] appelflap:
Nice. The lack of a gazilion tiny task-specific buttons indicates that WM 7 is gonna have a real touch-based interface. I like that.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
very nice interface
[HD2 General] onkeldunkel:
I want that for my HD2

IMHO - that looks really nice - now I just hope that it will be made available for the HD2...
[HD2 General] Toss3:
Ugly as hell. Gonna wait for the official presentation before drawing any conclusions though.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
yup..same here....

far too many rumours and photoshopped stuff going around these days. easy to get excited and think that a lot of stuff is coming, only to find out it was a fake or was removed from the final released version.
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
As long as it's configurable (i.e.: I can get rid of it!), the interface doesn't bother me. :D
[HD2 General] rp-x1:
I'm just bored of rumour this, rumour that. I'd rather see it working than a print on a wall.
[HD2 General] Tanmay®:
Loved the UI! Exactly what I was expecting! Its the User Experience that matters rather than the User Interface! And MS has done that this time!

Around half and hr to go now! Lets wait and watch!
[HD2 General] liamR:
Hold your horses... Maybe it's the WM6.6... ?
[HD2 General] jpmalum:
Damn people ...

Take it easy guys till Microsoft shows this thing, .... I think the preview looks good. lets hope there is more to it than that tho!
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
One problem with Sense is that it is not OS wide. Now with WP7 we will get GUI consistency throughout the entire device! :D:D:D Not just skinned app launchers and homescreens.
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Freyberry, if one reads your postings, I think it should not be a big problem

to run WP7 on an HD2, should it?

I mean, you say you have knowledge a normal user like me doesn´t, but then you confirm it runs nicely on HD2...

Are we talking about facts or is this your personal assumption?
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
MS have already said that WP7 Series and WM6.6 would run in parallel... there has been no talk of or even questioning about how long this would be for as far as i know.

a good question to ask at this point would be:

would you rather have the next generation of mobile device hardware running WP7 series as an OS or WM6.whatever?
[HD2 General] D.O.C:
live streaming windows 7 phone.... enjoy, watching right now....:D

http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/...allery.aspx?contentID=mobileworldcongress2010
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Yes that's what I meant by "finish" Sense. I.e. use that UI system-wide for the new OS.
[HD2 General] D.O.C:
sorry my mistake
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I got called moronic for my comments, all of which you've just summarized.

The HD2 as you say is a Sense phone. It has Sense on it, or rather 'encompassing' it.

The handset promos all talk about the UI Sense, and what it does. It took a long time to develop, it DRAWS the average consumer to the phone. You might almost say it's the HD2's signature.

The HD2s button layout IS completely wrong with respect to the standards outlined within all the reports I've read, and the 'consistency' that Steve Balmer mentioned about a hundred times in his speech.

If Microsoft are to be seen to be adopting strict levels of hardware uniformity in a bid to generate a 'consistent design/hardware experience as the fundamental principal for the end user' (these words are basically taken directly from today's show) can they be seen to almost IMMEDIATELY capitulate and go against this way of thinking and allow old hardware that breaks these standards (however minimally) to run their new software?

Hardware consistency, combined with the known Xbox Live user base drives developers to work on the platform as they KNOW their clients will have a CONSISTANT experience as they do on iPhone. It might seem unfair not to produce WP7 for HD2 just because of a button, but I don't think this would be the sole reason for not developing it: Microsoft AND HTC want to make MONEY. When WP7 drops people will flock in their droves to buy it because it is new and not simply an 'upgrade'.

There is no reason why HTC should offer a free upgrade: it was never promised and makes no logical Sense (tm), besides which if you WATCH Steve Balmer's speech he says that Microsoft will continue to support Windows Mobile 6.5 - this for me is the final nail in the coffin.

I bought the HD2 for what it is and it is still doing what it said it would - running a rather snazzy multitouch UI that impresses everyone who sees it. It's arguable that an upgrade would strip the sole out of the device anyway.

I'd be happy to get the first WP7 phone and keep my HD2 for tweaking.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
^This. Exactly.

No backwards compatibility means they will now REALLY be three years behind the competition. No multitasking is lika a bad joke as well.

Before, they were ahead in lots of areas. They should have just built upon that foundation.

By the time WP7 gets actually useful (with all the third party apps available that I need), I will already have moved on to something else.
[HD2 General] froztii:
xbox live - useless for me as im not a gamer AND IF i'm gonna have a console - only ps3.

bing - dont need/want as google is doing a great job here.

zune thing - as i understand would be an itunes/ipod alternative. then its also a step in the wrong direction. Why do you think i bought a WM device and not an iphone?

ie8 - why are they forcing people to start using junk? we have such wonderful alternatives - ff, opera, skyfire...

P.S. if they want to copy apple - go ahead. my next phone is gonna be an android anyway.
[HD2 General] essensial:
Get a ****ing life, honestly...:) I hope you haven't missed the fact where they say that they will support all forms of mobile devices. These three buttons are the minimum that is required...but it won't be a problem if there will be more physical buttons or actual keyboards, which will be supported as well...alright? Now rest...
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
I still think that today, we just have seen the first member of a whole new

family of products. The "consumer" version which addresses the iPhone-esque target group.

Another variation might be "customizable" variants for hardware manufacturers.

I mean, do you really want all the uniformity as seen on the iPhone? This, I believe,

could actually only work if you really could trust that the build quality

of all devices running the same system would be identical.

Anyway, the future will show.
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
Or stuck with what you already know ;-)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Same here.

For a while, yes. But Android is getting better and better...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Was it really necessary to respond like that? I'm giving my thoughts as a fellow HD2 user and I'm doing so perfectly eloquently without resorting to insult.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Calm down, guys... sorry...

...must admit I'm quite disappointed of the announcement, that's why I'm a bit agressive probably.
[HD2 General] essensial:
I'm sorry if I offended...that wasn't an intention...:o but it just started to sound as the broken vinyl record on your part...and it just got to me...:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Panoratrix:
Sorry, but as I understand it is not so....

I followed the press conference and I can quote the following:

2h13'532

"...so the user experience that Joe showed you is a baseline, on top of which there will be still a lot of innovation...."

and so on:

2h16'20"

"...with the hardware vendors we want to raise the bars and have a little bit more consistency in the hardware platform an a little bit more consistency in the user experience, but we still need to enable their innovation."

As I understand, producers will still be able to program relatively freely on top of windows phone 7 series. This means that HTC, for instance, still can have Sense on top of WP7.

I myself think that the OS is very exciting, even though the "home screen" isn't what I expected.

So if HTC keep the OS intact, with just a shell for the home screen, it would be perfect.

:)
[HD2 General] ragelord:
;)

Uhh ... yeah, ok. Shutting up in progress ... 1 - 2 -5 -12 %, wait a moment ! Do you own the forum ? Do you have the right to tell someone what to talk/write in here or what ? You are something more than the rest of us or something. I think you should change your nickname to " the BIG BOSS, so shut UP! " Following your logic almost ROFL-ed already ;) Your words just dont make sense, boss.

From what I saw/read today - the new OS will be a damn good looker and nicely operating as well. Heavy integration with social networks, nice office functionality, very good browser and everything you might need. SatNav would be a requirement as well but 3d party might just do the job as igo is doing it for us today. A real letdown is the lack of flash support but hopefully they will fix that for the "holiday season" :)

I think that you might tell us your believes but please dont try to make them ours ;) It is up to each and every one to decide for oneself who is right and who is wrong afterall, boss ;) And I dont care much if HD2 will officially/unofficially support win mobile 7 because it is doing its job just fine with 6.5 for me now and if 7 is tempting enough for me I might change it in the end of the year ... Sorry for all who signed 2 year contracts with the hope to upgrade to 7 however :(
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
that is actually an extremely well put point and that is also the feeling i got when watching those parts of the live feed also.

im not sure however how much freedom hardware manufacturers and network operators will actually get in the long run.

I do think though that there WILL be WP7 series devices with MORE then 3 goddamn buttons. A restriction on that level would be absolutely ludicrous for Windows.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Would it REALLY though? The iPhone only has one....although I suppose that's doing pretty terribly in terms of popularity at the moment ;-)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
My logic is not only logic, it's the truth. I don't care whether you believe it or not, but I KNOW that. I don't believe that, I KNOW it.

Well, believe what you want. It doesn't matter. In the end, the decision will definitely not be based on a button. And I never use the word "definitely", unless I'm 100% sure. Belive it or not, I feel sorry for you if you don't.
[HD2 General] plaspop:
taken from a dutch tech news website, posted sometime ago.

I translated it with Google translate for you guys.

source: tweakers.net/nieuws/64639/htc-hd2-krijgt-upgrade-naar-windows-mobile-7.html "dutch site"

sorry for link i'm not able to post click-able links

HTH :D
[HD2 General] belsj:
here is the link

:p
[HD2 General] kilrah:
If this is true... then I'm all for it :)

To me Sense is just the best smartphone interface ever. Just not completely finished, and should allow developers to make custom tabs easily.
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Your logic seems to end when and/or where you have to answer real questions.

Or is it lack of knowledge?

I don´t know, but some of your statements just sound very rude.

If you know the "truth", but at the same time, you are not allowed to disclose any of it,

why do you care to make any statements then?

Is there any urge?
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I agree. Though I'm not that interested in Android. I use an HTC Dream now. I'll probably get the HD2 for it's 4.3" display and WM6.5 and existing apps.

I was really hoping that WP7 would build on top of WM6.5 and allow the older apps to work too.

The new UI is a flop for me. It looks like they wanted something different (clean squares) and also wanted to find an easy solution to their prior complaint about small touch points (huge text links).

Now links are huge, BUT they're too huge and pure text. One example is their email app. There are HUGE text links at the top, but they don't show all of them so you have to swipe through them to see. Multiple steps in case I just wanted to get to the flagged or unread emails quickly.

The clean squares are nice, but they seem like a waste of space. They require WVGA, but they only show 6-8 squares. The HTC Dream with Android is only HVGA and I feel like I can customize it much much more and display more information and not feel restricted to square blocks.

The flipping animation makes it feel slow and think of powerpoint transitions.

I don't do any 'social networking' (facebook, twitter) online and so I don't count it as a feature that MS should have spent time on. It's not like anybody else wouldn't have created that app within the first week anyways. I'm old school and use the phone to call people and use aim/gchat/email to talk to people. (If a real friend really needs my help, they better not be stupid to just post it on facebook and expect me to find it. :rolleyes: )

Is WP7 advanced in any way? It's not really that much different from others. It's like Apple or Android, which try to lock (or nudge) you into using their app/media stores or their search engines or services. I don't like that. I don't want to have to use Bing or their maps. (Android is just lucky that I like google and gmaps). I didn't feel wowed by any features.

What do you guys think were good features that are advanced or didn't exist before? (I don't think the new finger UI is really good either. :p )
[HD2 General] Panoratrix:
Not to be critical, but apple produce the phone self, MS doesn't. If apple wants to have just 1 button, they can do that.

MS can't demand from other producers to just have 3 buttons.

But that's just my opinion....
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
were not talking about the iPhone... this is Windows goddamn it.

Apple can do whatever the **** they like to their god awful over priced dumbed down piece of **** products for people who cant think.

just three buttons? what about hardware volume controls? on/off switches? If there is only three buttons what about optical mice? Touch pads? Analogue sticks? dpads?

All essential if you want a truly epic handheld in my opinion.

Device manufacturers need to think about creating handhelds that do absolutely everything for you. A communications device, business tool, game console ... all in one.

This is Microsofts perfect opportunity to absolutely smash it and make their operating system the choice for these devices of the future. The O/S is stripped back completely and still looks ok which is extremely clever.

Hardware wise though... the drawing board is clear and Microsoft cannot dictate hardware requirements to device manufacturers in terms of ADDITIONAL functionality on top of their 3 button requirement.

I dont think they have enough clout in the mobile device market to pull that one off (yet).

I would love to see an HD2 type device that has buttons on both sides on the screen with a little dpad or analogue stick in the middle of each line of buttons. It would then have L and R buttons on each side of the device also.

Apple have done well with their toy but lets get serious.
[HD2 General] lakeland:
In the video they said companies can "add" to the device but not skin it so on that basis, Sense UI would be out
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
nope... sense is not a skin.... officially it is currently a today screen "add on" for windows mobile.

Its there on your very own device... go into today screen settings : -)

I cant imagine that Microsoft dont have some sort of talks going on with HTC about Sense and WP7 ... HTC are Microsofts biggest partners as device manufacturers surely?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
As much as I'm enjoying Sense...

In the heart of it, it's crap. Not only it is unfinished and never will be (because it's developed so as to cover the underlying OS's drawbacks), but also very incredibly limited. Why does it have Twitter, which I don't use, but doesn't have something else (i.e. ICQ, RSS, whatever)?

Some underlying apps are horrible (i.e. Audio Manager, it has a plethora of bugs).

It's a nightmare to tweak. It's done in lua which nobody knows. It consists of a few thousand (!!!) files, and you never know what will change in them, where and when. All tweaks are actually modified files, so you can't apply two tweaks at the same time.

Now I know everybody is somewhat shocked by WP7's rather unusual interface, but think about it: How are these tiles fundamentally different in concept from Manila's tabs? Except that they can use different apps/services, including third-party ones? And except that that'll be a standard interface that's easier to tweak as such?

Also, you can clearly have information from different "hubs" on the homescreen at the same time (whereas in Manila they are hidden in tabs you don't see ATM).

You can even have separate apps as "tiles" - look at the IE icon. Imagine Opera there, or whatever you want.

Criticizing color schemes, 2D look, or the size of these tiles is meaningless. It can certainly be changed if needed. Other than that, it's a rather good way to organize things, even though it may look strange at first (simply because the way things are organized by MS aren't the way you want them to be). But you'll be able to change that and adapt to what you want.

No, it's not a bad concept, not at all.
[HD2 General] TheOnly1:
HTC are more than the biggest partner :) I've been at MS HQ in Redmond and their "Home of the future: there...all mobile phones were HTC prototypes!
[HD2 General] harsaphes:
From the Mobilecrunch site..

As far as we’ve heard so far, the details we broke in January are spot-on. Much of the interface is very Zune like. As we said then,

manufacturers will not be able to make massive modifications to Windows Phone. Microsoft specifically said that things like HTC’s TouchFlo will not exist on Windows Phone

.
[HD2 General] nalab1:
in my humble opinion, the biggest drawback in developing winmo apps is the differing screen resolutions and differing 'horsepower' of the various handsets.. apple with the ifoney have a 'closed' environment in that it is one piece of hardware and only one level of os.... if ms could say that all apps/handsets have to have a predefined spec then there would be more developers interested in creating apps...
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
I am Dutch (so I know what they are talking about in the entire article) and I don't think this is really something we can use...

This was posted in december 2009, if I remeber correct (read it few minutes ago, but really, my memory is bad XD), and they are using the 'russian twitter anouncment' as their source, that was also posted on other websites like pocketnow.

I really wish they will bring the new OS to the HD2 though.. but anyway, it is not done yet. At this stage (from looking at the 22 minute long movie that is now on all internet sites) I would prefer my HD2 with WM 6.5 + Sense. At least it looks like everybody is suddenly happier with their WM 6.5 lol

Microsoft is going in the right direction, but need to make the next steps PERFECT, or else they might end screwing it up. They need to make some modifications to the 'start menu' (or include the options to make changes yourself. GIVE THE PEOPLE A LOT OF CHOICE). I think it is great, but I really don't use facebook THAT much. So a lot of the great parts of this OS aren't useful for me.

Focus on: Multitasking, nice looking AND useful menu's (no huge letters and stuff, use the screen to the max), making the Appstore a succes, and stuff like that. Facebook is not that important people. If I want to talk with a friend, I can also use: SMS, e-mail, MSN/Yahoo, call him, talk to him in real life.
[HD2 General] Tyler1981:
Perphaps it's a good thing that HTC maybe won't upgrade the HD2 to WP7. Just think in 12 months time when HTC have released a few WP7 phones they will look back at there faithful HD2 owners and think, how can we reward them........then the HTC CEO will announce they have decided to release Android on HD2 after all as they are looking after MS with other phones, most likely the day after Netripper gets it working :rolleyes: Oh look, i see flying pigs........:D

Anyway, if the HD2 can't be upgraded to WP7 and Android can't be ported is it still a good phone to go for? I have been on the fence for a while, Virgin has a few good deals and i love the big screen, is the phone still worth it? I have a HTC S620 at the mo and need a new toy, thanks.
[HD2 General] Alize:
Guys, this should be a healthy debate and place to discuss, not an argument, post your opinions by all means, don't discredit others unless you're talking about facts.

As for HD2 receiving Win7, I personally don't see it, HTC and/or Microsoft would make little to no money porting Win7 to HD2, unless a license fee was involved (which I wouldn't mind).

As for hardware specs (inc. button) I personally see no reason why HD2 couldn't have Win7, I just think they won't do it simply because money talks.

If the HD2 sold millions and millions (which it hasn't; Vodafone UK stopped stocking them weeks after release date) then maybe HTC might think it would be worth it to keep customers happy...

Ask yourself this, it took HTC how long to fix the SMS issue?? That was a pretty fundamental issue, now why would they spend a lot longer porting something that is unnecessary and probably won't make them more money?
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
It is an amazing device!! :D Really, even with this, I would take it over any smartphone out there. Only the nexus one comes close, because it has a nice appstore..

The HD2, with the newest ROM's and stuff, works very well. HTC Sense is beautiful. If I would get the option to switch to WM7 like it is in this stage, I would probably refuse. The HTC HD2 is worth it.

Or wait for an official WM7 device. But if you want a device NOW, go for the HTC HD2 or Nexus One IMO.