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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KilZone:
Actually you are right in questioning that point. It hasn't been mentioned at all! Furthermore because the tiles are 'live', some form of multitasking must be present, since 'Hubs' can be added later it is safe to assume those 'Hubs' will also be capable of having updated tiles. It can just be that there is a central 'update service' where you need to register your application to and so it will udate, but it can also be there is some form of multitasking.

Also there has been completely nothing about restrictions compared to Windows Mobile. Even more than that, when at the end questions where asked Steve Ballmer answered about the ability to develop applications for it.

So without further information I see absolutely nothing that restricts this operating system more than WinMo 6.5.x.

You can like the interface or hate it, but nothing has been mentioned about developing applications or anything.

This is a sum of what we do know:

- New UI

- Zune Software Integrated

- Live Tiles

- 'Hubs' that connect to multiple sites

- You can develop applications for it (and maybe 3rd party 'Hubs')

Here is what we don't know:

- Nothing about multi-tasking

- Nothing about applications on the device

Here is what we expect:

- Applications from WinMo 6.5.x will not work, as mentioned 'a new set of tools for developing will be ready for our partners soon'.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] webpatrick:
+1 although 6.5.5,

NO, of course I'm gonna try 7 series........... (BMW ;-)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
this sounds so iphonish! Of course we WANT to change it even if it's already working properly. if I want a simply but working UI then I can switch back to my old Nokia phone with a proprietary UI on which you can't even change colors.....

Sure MS need to look at the mass market and introduce a new user experience, but hopefully they still leave their OS customizeable like before (or even further)

Besides that I'm very curious about the prof./business edition of WM 7. Because business people won't need all this facebook, zune, xbox fanciness....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] daniel_rh:
WM7 looks pretty nice, looking forward for the new devices. I love my ZuneHD, now with phone... Amazing
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] xdmcdmc:
We have to wait for more info. What I heard in that presentation is that WM6.5 will be developped side by side with WM7, don't know for how long. So I can assume that WM6.5 will be the bussiness version and WM7 iPhone version. If this is the case I will stick to 6.5 too. Facebook and other social networks and what I saw in presentations are useless for me. SenseUI already integrates mails with SMS and agenda and this is all I need so far.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
We need all of those things because each of is different. Granted you are righ that this in part to the lack of updating of WiMo but we are all individuals. Each of us have our own preference of what we want out of our devices and forums like this fufill these needs. For example, I may like the pure power of the HD2 but hate the homescreen. There are options out there like WAD, Homescreen++, andriokid amoung others. My point is that we all dont want to be in put the box that "this phone will do everything you want" becuase the fact of the matter is that can never happen. So give us power and we will take it from there.:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
Each and every feature of wp (Windows Phone) 7 is rocking. I was only disappointed of the lack of multitasking but after a good explaination by kilzone i can now show more love to wp 7 :D. Great ui now the phone will be more than for calling.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Limited69:
i the the day the first picture and think... "Oh no its a Zune" :-(

I hope the Professional Edition will look like a Phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] guap:
ladies and gentleman... the Microsoft iPhone. social-centric UI for newbies, no customizations, no old appz...

holy crap :mad:

android here I come :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
What lack of multitasking? Where did you heard that?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
And I won't disagree with your logic because you are correct. But my point is:

1) tweaks can be done through a proper app store (android proves this with apps like SMSCHOMP, dolphin browser etc) which users can create the apps that can better cater to the end user

2) Functionality is what has been lacking all this time. HD2 is the perfect case, WINMO slacked on the OS so HTC picked it up. So what you're stuck with is a device that has 2 Email clients, 2 SMS clients, etc...get it right once you don't need the others. M$ has to have understood that by now.

3) Homescreens are important because they do reflect the personality of the owner, but what is it that people want from the homescreen? Do you want the ability to quickly weather, sms, emails, myspace, facebook, xbox, the front door (lol) its seems M$ is handling this too. So what?!!? just put a picture of your girlfriend as the wallpaper and call it a day? I dunno. People love android because its open, people love the Iphone cause its simple...people love WinMo cause of its potential to be both without the sacrifices that either OS has to make to BE what it is (Iphones simplicity locks down the device for developers) (Androids open source leads to poor performance as each app runs on its own VM so minor apps can eat MAJOR MB's) Winmo has always been the fence, and middle ground. But honestly..

4) would you be happy if M$ just release a proprietary OS AGAIN that was built for developers and companies to built on? There would be no point. I think we all expected that M$ would have to set a different standard in the industry for itself if it were to win its people back from the competitors. Any of you guys with a Zune HD know or at least have a good idea of what this UI will be capable of...My Zune HD is fast and fun it can multitask...it has an awesome and engaging UI(plus OLED is amazing)

So again...we don't know fully what this OS can and can't do. I can't understand how M$ could create an OS that is completely locked down and then have all the major phone developers release a phone with the said OS. That seems illogical as well as in poor business because we would just end up with 25 of the Same phones every year for the next 5-10 years....does that honestly make sense to anyone? So i believe it would be safe to say that the new OS will be as open as the previous iterations. I believe M$ just doesn't want its core OS to be tampered with (the same as it is now) so its locked down....who's to say we can't build on top of it?

~style~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
Video FTW

oh and I forgot to address this this...but i have no idea what iphonish means but please read my previous post. I understand everyone wants to change everything...you possibly still can...we don't know, but it seems like the system basics are locked down so that they actually "FLOW" now as opposed the the cluttered ugly mess that is current WinMo. I mean do we still need scroll bars, ugly check boxes, start menu's, X buttons, taskbars and softkeys? these are things that we accept but we don't need. Kudo's to M$ for stepping up and creating better system integration. Iphone is just launching a bunch of programs that are all self contained like a vending machine, Android is world that you can play in, WinPhone7 seems like the phone itself and the whole OS is a universe...no beginning or end, you're just in it (similar to the Zune experience). I find that interesting...I want in. But thats just me

~style~

EDIT: I just wanted to better define what I mean by "FLOW" remember back in the TF3D days on the Diamond and Rafael...TF3D was so cool and revolutionary but as soon as you click on something, you're whisked out of the beautiful UI and right into WinMo...remember how big a change that was, it was borderline disturbing...so what did HTC do...they upped the Ante...This current TF3D is like an offensive lineman for the Colts trying to keep you from getting to Manning (WinMo)...should HTC and Samsung have to create complete OS shells for WinMo? At what point does this stop being about the HTC doing an excellent job and about M$ doing a horrible job? The Flow i speak of is M$'s attempt at creating that UI that once HTC and Samsung (ET AL)get their hands on it, they don't have to worry about covering up the ugly OS...they only need to do what they do best, apply their own personal touch(Sense UI, Touchwiz respectively) of course this is all speculation...what do I know :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kel16harris:
i like ur "style" man:cool:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] henrik.dk:
If it requires much efforts to port current application, why should we port to wm7 to just pay to M$?

Apple UI is so innovative but now you can get it easily also on wm.

what makes me to choose wm is just the existing applications.

UI should not be the focus. But to me, wm7 seems to an OS just to have a new look, which reminds me of the stupid honeycomb layout. This time, m$

makes the icon biger to have it aligned..:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
I won't argue the point with you even If I do disagree. You may be right. Hell I remember when I got my first windows phone HTC 6700...I was afraid to mod it..it was my first touch screen phone so I was just happy as is. Then I upgraded to the HTC Touch. So I said what the hell, I started lurk forums like this and ppcgeeks and began to learn about my phone. Figured might as well brick the 6700 since I won't be using it anymore so I began to put program on it by the ton....instantly i was bit by the MOD BUG. I know how it is...so I know how you must feel. I liked having my Iphone clone UI(winterface) loaded to the max with all my favorite applications (ChatSMS, Imageviewer .9, FTOUCHSL, google maps, etc) but at the end of the day I look at my phone and think...im just putting makeup on an ugly face (that has to be what HTC et al think as well). So after my Touch HD i picked up Android...I see the appeal but turnoffs and dealbreakers for me included

1. No full Bluetooth Support

2. No way of checking what apps are running

3. Can't save apps to SD card

4. Music Player is lacking

5. Market is hard to navigate

6. Battery Life could be better

7. Browser reloads a window everytime instead of caching it

So I came back with my Acer S200..and while I firmly stand by windows I still get that feeling everytime I step out of my beautiful interface back into WinMo that I'm just putting makeup on an ugly face. If my Lockscreen looked good and gave me the Info I wanted i wouldn't use S2U2, if my music player didn't completely suck and was touch friendly I wouldn't use S2P...etc. So why shouldn't M$ take it to the next level. I'm sorry all your apps won't work, but take this opportunity to embrace the fact that there will be NEW APPS...that HTC and other developers will have a great starting point for their upcoming phones...We can't have a complete overhaul and still have things stay the same...there is no growth in doing what doesn't work. 6.5.3 has all the good stuff you love and hate and M$ is clearly still putting out builds so there is no worry...if you don't like 7 you don't have to use it...its really that simple. M$ hasn't forgetten about you its giving you the tools to keep doing what you're doing but it also is giving us new tools to create something new and better. Why not?

~style~
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] osirisHTC:
With HTC making Android Phones, which are much more tweakable ... and Windows 7 Phone "starting from scratch" (ie. old apps don't work) ... Windows 7 Phone might be in some big trouble.

Wouldn't XDA ROM developers rather make their own Android ROMS, and get people to buy them ?

I think people would gladly pay money from a "Cool Phone OS".
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ajclai08:
It might be "starting from stratch" but m$ has been envolved with mobile devices for awhile now, much longer than Apple, Google, or HTC. This means their Kernel is going to utilize the hardware more effectively, and it will be possible for Microsoft to release a feature/function pack device at launch,above anyone else.The UI makes more sense for a smaller screen device. Where on android you get a simular desktop experience with "screens and icons".."wallpaper" and even "folders" are all just a waste of screen that is limited on a smaller device. This is actually something new, something not even apple can pull off..because their simply at hardwork trying to get video recording, bluetooth 2.0 and copynpaste feature done with their next firmware update..catch my drift.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
since many of the rumors were true so i assumed that multitasking will also be not there but didnt u read further after some explaination by kilzone i can say it is present there. :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
It's true. No multitasking... :(

And it gets even worse: No copy/paste. Who knows what other "features" they've copied from Apple? No bluetooth file transfers? No file system access?

Unfortunately, you're wrong there. WP7 seems to be seriously lacking. They've essentially copied Apple, instead of building upon the strong foundation they already had. And just like Apple, they now have to work on implementing basic features...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] style1:
not true, when asked about it copy/paste the rep says that it hasn't been implemented into the software yet...please don't spread rumors unless its been announced
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Man, read my quote. What that guy says is a 100% confirmation that they're doing it the Apple way, i.e. not allowing third party applications to run in the background.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RufusThorne:
LMAO! Soo funny!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] rorytmeadows:
Uhm, I'm not too sure about that. In fact, I'm reading a lot about what's not been added YET into the release, even though it's 8 months away. I love reading all these dumb articles shouting "there's no flash!!!" or "there's no multitasking". Apparently, they are forgetting that there is still 8 months to change things up. Especially since announcing it so early before release allows Microsoft to get public opinion. And you can't just use multitasking as a blanket phrase. They admit to running music and email in the background. But what are people really thinking multitasking means? Microsoft has always hinted at pausing game widgets. If you're wondering if you can browse the internet after pausing your Need for Speed, all I've read is that it's possible. This is why they say wait until MIX. I think what you mean by multitasking is different than what Microsoft thinks is multitasking. Let's wait and see what they mean before jumping to conclusions.

Just wait and see. I bet you there will be much more than you think, and already it's better than everything else out there.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cerealfreak:
Got to agree with you on that point Rory, we are still 6-8 months away from a final release. I personally can't see MS stopping a perfectly working and widely used feature just to copy Apple, especially given the fact that whenever they find out Apple haven't supported a feature with the iPhone, they are quick to jump on top of it for almost slanderous comments.

The impression I got which is obviously speculation on my part, but I see no reason why these tiles wouldn't be moveable to another screen? Also, the mere fact that I know a lot of colleagues who have fought with their company for the right to choose their own mobile phone instead of having something shoved down their throats from above. A device that then forces them to have two mobiles a work one and a personal one.

A route I have been down myself, instead of the god-awful Nokia 6820 I obtained permission to use my own personal device instead of a work one (which was great because my line rental was covered for 2 years with my expenses reimbursement) :D I choose the HTC Tytn II because it did all my work stuff and enabled to have apps like on a personal phone too.

Almost everyone I know have gone down this route in recent years resulting in companies changing the offered mobile devices to offer such devices. A prime example is HTC, the majority of the handsets are business orientated, but are easily customisable, resulting in great communities like the very one you have used to comment on ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] insaint:
The OS itself is Multitasking capable, the interface isn't, but there is a way arond the inteface...there always is. Just take it as a chalenge.

We dont even know how much we can customize the tiles, but from what I can see - they can be different sizes; they can display dynamicaly information; they can have different backrounds; and they can be animated - what else do you need? You can customize.

As for copy & paste we just don't know yet.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] khaliltheking:
I agree with u on the part tha MS has to copy Apple inorder to boost its selling. Look I'm a die-hard WinMob and I ve recommended to all my family and friends, They all just hate it and went to buy a i-phone since it's simpler to use.

The sad thing about this is the fact that we (XDA community) are only a really tiny minority (less that 1%). We like to tweak hack search for cracked Soft and applications. However the majority of people do not like to do so. I'm College Prof in electronics and Computer vision, and you would be shoked that out of 100 students I have, only 10 of them have WM based phone and only one of them do know how to tweak and hack it. I'm speaking about students doing Master engineering in Computer vision and electronics.

So yes MS is doing the right thing by transforming what use to be the most open mobile OS into a i-phone like. At least, it makes the most sence in terms of selling and marketing.

I'll give a Win 6.6 a shot for the rest of the year and Win 7 a week or two but only if MS or one of XDA community make it available on My LEO.

All that being said I'm almost sure that by Chrismas my next phone will be an Android. It will make me sad, since i've been using WM for about 8 years and more than 10 phones. But MS made their choice, a good one for them, but a bad one for the minority that people often call GEEKs.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] walter67:
In the news

Just came accross this today

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/microsoft/7248845/Microsoft-Windows-Phone-7-series-review.html
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
Hello,

Updated the first post about hubs of new Windows Phone 7 series, i liked the concept of hub very much specially the way there were presented like a virtual page and phone was at one end of the page. :D

Post your opinions.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kaos1:
swassup!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kalpeshmist:
new update on microsoft's having own phone, go here. will microsoft really have it's own phone??
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Simple answer: no.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kalpeshmist:
still it's a rumor.. gsmarena.com's saying it's reported that microsoft will have it's own phone
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
The rumors are nonsense.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kalpeshmist:
^^ ok.. agreed!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
There will be new "Sidekick" phones by Microsoft (cause they bought Danger, the company who made the original Sidekicks)... but they're something different and also not made by MS, but by Sharp.

WP7 phones will always be made by OEMs.

(Windows Phone 7 Series phones... what a stupid name... :rolleyes:)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kalpeshmist:
Microsoft had always tried copying features, functions, marketing ideas from it's competitors.. if Google can make Nexus One with it's own OS, even Microsoft can think of making it's own phone.. ofcourse windows phone 7 phones will be made by OEMs but there are chances of Microsoft also to make it's own phone..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Google doesn't make the Nexus one. It's made by HTC.

Also, Microsoft officially said they would NOT do what Google did with the Nexus One. They usually leave themselves some loopholes, but they've been crystal clear about this.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kalpeshmist:
u're absolutely right. :D Nexus One is made, manufactured by HTC, but from Google.. :rolleyes: Nexus one is from Google. The software wasn't revamped by HTC, but by Google itself. Google sells Nexus One, not HTC. HTC only manufactures it. Similarly, the nonsense rumor about Microsoft phone, will be manufactured by Asus..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Microsoft is not going to sell a WP7 phone under their brand.
[HD2 General] dan_t:
I've copied this from the Vodafone (UK) forum - but I don't seem to be the only one with a proble... Any help would be greatly appreciated!

I've had my HD2 for just a few days now and I can honestly say that unless something is sorted soon I won't be using it much longer! I have exactly the same problem in both DT1 and BH20 post codes. Singal is good and strong when the device is left on a desk/table etc... I can have FULL signal but lift the device up and it drops to 3, 2, 1 and then no signal...

I can make perfect phone calls using hands free, but can't even send or recieve a text if I pick the phone up. We're talking less than 24" of movement here so it has to be device related!

Comparing this to the HTC Diamond. The Diamond although showing slightly less signal (2-3bars) is much more stable and non-reactive to being handled.

I'm using the very latest updates with HSDPA/HSUPA disabled.

It would seem that HTC has dropped the ball here.

(HSPL - ROM 1.66)

Vodafone thread - http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=48152&st=0
[HD2 General] Starfury:
I replied to your post in the Vodafone forum assuming you were still on the stock 1.43 ROM, but if you are on 1.66 then I am not sure what to suggest as you mentioned that it happens in multiple areas which seem to be a fair way apart and therefore would be on different transmitters (unless you are unfortunate enough to be in several areas all suffering from faulty cell-towers).

I know mine drops a bar when I pick it up but not 2 to 3 and then to no signal...

Maybe you should contact HTC about a replacement? Dont bother with Vodafone as they'll offer you a Blackberry 9700 if they cant fix it...
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
SOunds faulty to me. There is sometimes a small drop in signal for me when the phoe is cupped in my hand, but not more than 1 bar, usually none.

I'd get on to your provider for a warranty replacement.
[HD2 General] kilrah:
Nothing such here. And I'm in a low reception place here, seems it even does better than my previous Kaiser.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Seems that Vodafone is a bit of a crappy network in terms of its compatibility with phones! If it's not text messages staying in the outbox it's data disconnecting/not working and no picture messaging NOW rubbish signal....jeez. I've been on T-Mobile with the HD2 since it arrived in november and haven't had one single problem with texts, data, signal....anything. I've had two different handsets in that time too since I sold the first upgrade.

In all seriousness though I do also have a prototype pro.three (pre-release HD2) and that suffers from low signal/signal dropout so in this instance it seems that you have a faulty unit.

I do hear a lot of moaning Voda users on these forums though which makes me quite likely to steer clear when I get my upgrade in a few weeks.
[HD2 General] dan_t:
Link added:

Vodafone thread - http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=48152&st=0

It doesn't look like its JUST my phone here...

Outside this problem is not half as bad.