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[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
TBH, i don't care about getting WM7... i just want that 1GB of ROM.

I see myself getting a new phone in 2011 anyway, but for now i need space on my internal storage. I keep uninstalling all the apps that install on the internal memory (even though i select the storage card during installation). I do daily cleanups with clear temp and i have approximately 70-80 MB free. Its just very little space. I can't afford installing anything from the Marketplace. I just want a few hundred MB of free space.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
no but the new thing has the same name hd2 which means we ware beta testers for the company
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
That's what early-adopters (aka: US!) are. Dintja notice the busted SMS app? We're guinea pigs.

In a perfect world, HTC would throw us a bone: trade-in deal, or credit towards future purchase, or $n towards accessories. Not obliged to though.

All in all though, we're "stuck" with a way-cool phone. :)
[HD2 General] carlese:
are we europeans expecting to get an upgrade? maybe we have 1gb rom and it's locked by default...
[HD2 General] UncleBeer:
"Secret, hidden ROM"? I wish. ;)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
how come '''''''''''''
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I doubt it...
[HD2 General] dagrim1:
As an early adaptor I can live with bugs and software issues. But actually getting different hardware under the same name and (maybe even cheaper) price is another case...

I am totally satisfied with my current HD2 btw, it's fast, no memory issues, no lags, etc but I do have a bitter taste when reading about this upgraded device. Especially the 1GB rom and to a lesser extend the added RAM.

The only downside to the new version are the ugly green and red phone buttons though ;)

In the end I think that most ppl who already own a HD2 will get/have a new phone once WM7 gets released so that's not as much the issue (even though I would like to have the possibility to run it of course, even if it only adds to the value of the device when I might sell it) but the increased hardware specs, so short after it's gone retail, do sting.
[HD2 General] Starfury:
I have emailed HTC for clarification but also saw this...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622964
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i think tmobile paid fo them to do that and this device is only for them and we willnot get a similar upgrade like what happened wiith tp2 it had 3.5 mm audio jack and other dont till now
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
are these pictures fom normal hd2
[HD2 General] freyberry:
But you got it earlier. The name doesn't matter. Technology is always evolving and whenever you buy something, you have to accept that some time later, something better is released.

If not, you're a moron.

lude219 is right, people here seem to have no clue how technology works...
[HD2 General] Lol-x:
I bought an asian HD2 today.

Kind of makes me feel like I've been ripped.

HTC must loose a bunch of customer goodwill over this.

I'm going call HTC tomorrow to tell them they 'suck'.

The only way to make HTC accountable is customer feedback.
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I was thinking of getting the bravo in march. Well, not anymore. I'll see what options i have later in q2. But for sure its not gonna be a htc device if we don't get a reasonable answer.
[HD2 General] Starfury:
Not sure as I didn't post it
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
Then why did you buy it? :confused:
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I bough it for all the hardware specs it has. I knew about the internal storage problem from my previous wm phones. I wasn't expecting something else. But i also suspected there's a problem why htc doesn't put more rom in their devices.

Now i know they can and i get frustrated that the early adopters don't get this.

Its the only issue i have with the phone... and with every other wm phone.
[HD2 General] ragelord:
well that is for shure! i'm not an idiot and there is so many other wonderful devices showing every day ... take lg for instance. if no logical explanation comrles to me I will buy htc never again and just change hd2 for appolo asap and even sell the hd2 asap if revised version comes to eu and stick to my good old nokia until appolo or something else comes out!
[HD2 General] hnparedes:
I do think HTC is capable of doing that. If T-Mobile asked these specifications, for example, why not?!

The HTC Pro 2 also had differences: some countries got the 3.5 jack and others didn't.
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
Its not only HTC, the whole world is like this, u buy something and the next day there is a better thing.
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
Your thinking makes perfect sense, BUT a 500 MB increase in storage its a big leap. If t-mo asked htc to add lets say 100 mb more for some apps that tmo wants on their version, that's fine, but 500.... that's a dream!!!
[HD2 General] deyanp:
Someone seems to have already received an answer from the German HTC Support, that EU will not get the version with more RAM. Of course, no guarantee that what HTC Support says is really so ...

http://www.pocketpc.ch/htc-hd2-sons...d2-bekommt-speicher-upgrade-3.html#post492618
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
but not the same device is uograded
[HD2 General] karch_xcs:
It 'a farce and a mockery for all HTC users who purchased a terminal even 3 months ago and now we see devalued their own product so obvious. HTC should run for cover fast. I do not care about anything but the SD 16GB more memory and space is available, especially if this will serve to upgrade to WM7.

If indeed there is a "hidden memory" that do jump out and quickly, or the tom tom media will run its course!
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
Like i said in a previous post...

If Apple releases a new upgraded version of the iPhone after 3 months from the first release wouldn't people be pissed off? I bet they would be...
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
Thats the perfect bussiness, u bought HD2 after few months they come up with an upgraded HD2 and u will buy this one and sell the older one to someone. The result is that they sold two devices that are almost the same. Everything is about money and profit.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
that is a nice news
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
Exactly!!! That's my point. But that doesn't make it right. its unethical.

And i can't stand companies that do these kind of things...
[HD2 General] Blob8me:
Think about it guys.... the manufacturing cost of producing 2 differently specified devices is significant,,,,, not to mention the distribution issues.... Also, we now live in a Global Market Place and if you sell a better version in the US, Hong Kong, Europe or anywhere else then we simply buy from there instead - it does not make good business sense to sell such a small, easily shippable unit only in one market - it happens with cars but the postage is expensive if I order a Ford from the US for delivery to Europe... and after all :cool: its a Ford... I see the following explanations:

there is a possibility that this is a new version entirely and will be shipped globally and it just so happens that the timing of the new hardware coincides with the US release

OR

as per previous posts it may be that we have the same hardware but need a new ROM to utilise (this I would like???)

OR

(most likely I think) its a typo on the US HTC site and it will be changed very soon....

:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] -Vulture-:
First thing: Calm down.

Second thing: I know how this business works. Thats why i said i dont care that much about those small hardware upgrades. But a whole new operating system on the same device isnt just a small thing for me. The OS is the main thing about the user experience, about making the device special.

Yeah, i know that the HD2 is on the lower line for WM 7 specs. Im not complaining about that. Im complaining about HTC's politics, IF THIS TURNS OUT TO BE TRUE. HTC knows much more than we do about the WM7 requirements, so sorry that im adding 1 + 1 together in this theoretical scenario. Im not saying im crying in my small chamber because my whole world just crashed. Damn it, its just a phone. But cant you unterstand that we are a little bit upset, that we just spent 600 bucks for this phone an now may all thats missing to run WM 7 is 512MB ROM and some RAM? And whoops, theres this other HD2 by the same manufacturer in the US...

If HTC would not release WM7 for any of our HD2's, im fine. If only the US HD2 gets its, im feeling a little bit (!!!, my world would be still alive, its just...not nice) fooled by HTC in this special case. Thats all im saying.

But again, lets wait and see if this is really true. :)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it will not be distributed globally
[HD2 General] Blob8me:
???? So where did that come from? :confused: whats your source or is it just an opinion?

I've read the whole thread and other than a response from HTC DE saying there is no "new" version for Germany I can find no other official response from HTC to say that the is OR isn't a new hardware spec?

and also (to contradict you) :D if such a device is released in the US how long do you think it would take to appear on Ebay or other sites - I remember Expansys buying from HK and selling in the EU - the consumer is the driver here - IF such a device is launched and YOU want one (no matter where you live) the someone will sell it to you - that my friend is the "GLOBAL" market place....

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[HD2 General] Svegetto:
I don't get what all the fuss is about....the HD2 is gonna be 6months old by the time it finally makes it to the US. It would be a slap in the face to bring in a device who's life cycle is half way to quarter way over without any differences. 6months is a long time in hardware so not surprisingly they were able to fit a bit more in the same space so they did (while they were changing the radio frequency chip to support Tmobile USA instead). I don't see how/why this version would be released outside of US....that would be dumb of htc, as most that were going to buy the HD2 in Europe would have already done so and wouldn't likely bother buying the device again for a small gain in RAM/ROM (not to mention they would have to make it with a radio chip to support the European frequencies instead of TMobile USA).

In conclusion, in another like 6-7 there will prolly be a HD3.... or another device that will be all sorts of amazing and it will go to europe first, and then maybe, just maybe, six months later to some carrier in the US.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
it cannot be globally distributed since it has 1700 UMTS band = only TMO USA 3G capable. it's more likely a TMO US exclusive. You can eventually get it from ebay or whatsoever, but you won't have any 3G on your network.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
and they cannot sell two devices with similar name under different specifications in same market if it is then we should see the tp2 sprint with 3.5 mm audio jack all over the world
[HD2 General] lude219:
Actually I am greater than some of you, in that I'm not dumb enough to cry foul over the same situation. Unless TmobileUSA released an earlier version and a few months later came out with one with updated specs, you don't have a leg to stand on. Sometimes i feel as though I have to beat common sense into your head to make you understand how illogical and stupid it is to think it's somehow unethical that HTC pull the rug under your leg when they're simply do what was asked of them.

So you want to question their ethics? HOW IS IT UNETHICAL WHEN THEY SIMPLY INCREASED THE RAM/ROM AMOUNT FOR THEIR CUSTOMERS??? Holy ****, dude. If anything, they have perfect work ethics for always upgrading, always increasing the level of hardware/technology in their product. After 5-6months or so (the time it was released back in October to the time it will be released in March/April), if I were their customer, I would expect an upgraded tech, wouldn't you? Of course you would, but somehow you feel the need to cry like stupid babies because you were dumb enough to be an early adopter. How about this, rather than blaming HTC, go and blame whichever carrier you have. Carriers test the hardware first before they go on sale and request the manufacturer to make changes to the final product. Do you get that? Do I need to beat it further into your head? Exactly how you feel that you've been cheated by HTC is the dumbest, stupidest thing you could've said when all they do is listen to their customers and their carriers.

If I were HTC, I'm thinking, "Well guys, HD2 is a big hit and we made a lot of money and the price to produce one HD2 is getting cheaper, so let's increase the RAM/ROM for our upcoming USA customers because they've been waiting a long time to get this!"

If I were TmobileUSA, I'm thinking, "Okay guys, the HD2 is good but since we have a growing customer base and they will download a lot of app from the Marketplace, so let's not have them hit with insufficient memory and ask HTC if they could bump up the memory for a small fee."

Do any of those situations seem unethical to you?

Judging by your inept ability to understand how the phone business work or how technology works, I can deduce that your opinion is indeed useless and you need to refrain from further spewing that nonsensical crap all over this thread.
[HD2 General] Blob8me:
Mmmmm....... I'm not convinced?? Spent most of last week in New York and hadn't occurred to me until your post - I had a 3G connection for my whole 3 day trip??? Maybe "our" hardware Radio already accounts for the US bands???

but.... lets just wait and see! :rolleyes:

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[HD2 General] dagrim1:
Of course I accept that something better is released, but usually that means another (improved) model. Hell, I'm a techno-holic and am used to getting something only to see prices drop after a few months or new and better versions being released.

Ah well, I'm not that bothered by it. Just a bit jealous...
[HD2 General] shu8i:
TMO US is the only carrier in the US with 1700 band. maybe you were on ATT which probably has the same band as your carrier in your home country. you can see the bands here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
@lude219

You make a lot of sense but the situation in USA is the same as in other places as well. People buy apps from the marketplace anywhere. So why would the rest of the world be stuck with less space for those apps?

Trust me, i enjoy the phone a lot and i'm not crying here. I'm just upset that i would like 1 GB of storage space. Sure, the market changes and new products come in. That storage space should have been from the beginning in all hd2s.

You are being now over dramatic about this. Maybe you are misjudging my comments and you think i'm on fire here. I'm not, i'm very calm. :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
So does that mean that the US will have 2 versions of the HD2 then?
[HD2 General] shu8i:
why two versions? as far as i know the US HD2 will operate on 1700 Band which is TMO only. so you won't even get 3G from ATT. and i don't think that you will get an unlocked US version over there (?)
[HD2 General] Archer:
Exactly my point. Won't people on ATT want 3G and therefore require a different spec device? I can't see there being a "3G on ONLY T-Mobile" campaign.
[HD2 General] -Vulture-:
hehe, same goes for me. i really like my HD2. This situation is just a bit confusing, that's all. :)
[HD2 General] spastik:
A "few" months ? Are you joking ? HD2 is 2 Months old !
[HD2 General] shu8i:
people on ATT won't get a HD2 (?). TMO is the exclusive carrier for this device. it's like the same for the iphone... you won't get any 3G on TMO either.
[HD2 General] lude219:
HTC doesn't sell the phone outright, do they? Nope they don't. HTC sells to carriers, it's the carriers who should be aware of this situation. In no way, shape or form, is this HTC's fault. Not everyone spends their entire day on the phone downloading apps, and not everyone uses a lot of app. I mainly use data the most on my phone, so do I need a lot of ROM? No.
[HD2 General] Archer:
So you can't get a HD2 to use on ATT and get 3G???? That's rubbish man. You can buy these things unlocked, can't you, but what's the point if you don't get to use it to its full potential on your network. That's just plain dumb.

Never mind.
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
??? from my understanding few means more then 1.

BTW, I just wanted to show how things work, so dont take the post too seriously. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Archer:
Couple = 2, Few = 3, Several = 4, but none of these are strict ;)
[HD2 General] Svegetto:
Everything shu8i said is correct. The USA version of HD2 that's going to tmobile will only work on Tmobile USA's 3g as it's the only carrier to use the 1700/2100 3g frequency (pretty sure one is upstream and one is downstream). You will be able to use the phone elsewhere (given that you unlock it) but only on certain Edge which line up with Tmobile's Edge/the Edge frequencies supported by the chip. (At&t would work on Edge with Tmobile's HD2).
[HD2 General] Archer:
I understand, and wasn't disagreeing with him. Bear in mind that I'm from the UK where all phones just work on all networks (if unlocked, of course).
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
I almost got it right.:D
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Now that did make me chuckle!!! ;)
[HD2 General] Noam23:
The improved US version of the HD2 is going to be released around Spring, let's say in May, which makes it 6 months after the european HD2 release.

Please remember that 6 months after the US HD2 release, european customers are going to get the HD3, which will be drastically improved, and will make US HD2 customers cry in pain.
[HD2 General] beermonster65:
The technology race has always been like this, I can't understand why people moan about something they've had 5 minutes, the HD2 works fine with the ram it has in currently, theres far more serious issues than the ram/rom.
[HD2 General] Svegetto:
@Noam23 (exactly what I was saying :) )

@johncmolyneux

Was by no means attacking, just confirming for you that everything shu8i was saying was correct.
[HD2 General] mark0326:
All the talk is about the upgraded TMo HD2, wouldn't it be ironic if TMo had to accept a down-grade in another area.

Like Vista's ReadyBoost, isn't there anything similar where a portion of the MicroSD card could be utilised - card speed depending?
[HD2 General] Archer:
I didn't think you were mate - I was agreeing with you. Aren't we all nice :)
[HD2 General] TheContact:
I've yet to get the HD2 (Telstra won't sell it to me outright :mad:), but this news won't stop me from getting it. Though I would have liked the extra ROM, seeing as the HD2 may have issues with low storage...

Anywayz, thought this might be of interest...

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/01/25/do-all-htc-hd2s-have-576mb-of-ram/

Apparently Chinese users are saying their HD2's are reporting 576Mb of RAM after flashing an unreleased radio...
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
Theres a thread about that RAM here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5451050
[HD2 General] Starfury:
Hehe yeh I linked it a page or two ago, but these two thread are moving so fast this morning...
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
A official responds from HTC EU:

Translated:
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
LOL..in other words, they are saying nothing :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] KB24@CL:
while I was shocked to hear the difference between eu and us versions...

at the end of the day I don't see myself having an HD2 with wm7 anyway because I expect HD3 to be another awesome device and thus, I will probably be switching over anyway...

BUT with all that said, people have paid 600€ and this phone clearly did not have enaugh internal storage. Thats a fact. They should have kept their crappy 2GB micro SDHC and should have given us more internal storage...512MB is ridiculously low for a smartphone these days...
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
If any other US carrier apart from T-Mobile decides to sell it, then most likely yes. This has happened with previous HTC phones.

The Touch Pro2, for example, is sold as the "Tilt2" on AT&T; this is a physically different model from the T-Mobile version and supports different 3G frequency bands. There are plenty of other versions too: Sprint, Verizon, etc. The Verizon version (I think) has a 3.5mm headphone jack.

If you buy the Hong Kong English version of the TP2, then that has a wider range of frequency bands than the UK version (four GSM and five UMTS) as well.
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
Why is anyone crying foul? The phone specs were requested by T-MOBILE not HTC. HTC is a phone manufacturer not a Cellular Service Provider. They create phones at the request of Service Providers as well as for retail sales. The phone system overseas(Europe,Asia, etc) not North America has a larger base with the current specs they initially released. BUYER BEWARE if you imported one from overseas. IT WAS NOT DESIGNED TO WORK TO YOUR US SPECS! The custom ROMS and specs are up to each carrier and apparently some carriers made some wrong choices for their ROMS - Vodaphone apparently screwed up. Telstra's release isn't much better for the US market but its not crippled for the Australian market that it is INTENDED to support. Are we to blame Telstra that there are glitches in the US market with their ROMs? GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK. Is HTC at fault?

We are a SMALL sample of the general market HTC and the phone carriers target. Most of the people on here are power users and are willing to spend crazy money on phones that most people wouldn't give the time of day when you mention its $400-$900 for a phone. They are looking at Free or $199.00.

T-MOBILE has the exclusive deal for the HTC HD2 for T-MOBILES 1700/2100 network. NOT FOR ATT or anyone else. If you get EDGE because you decided to get one from T-Mobile and put it on AT&T's network then you are to accept all the problems that could arise from it and only blame yourself.

You have to also remember that the HTC HD2 might have been released back in Oct. but do you think they set those specs in October? GET A CLUE! The specs are probably a year old at this point. It's not a Couple, Several or a Few when it was released. It was at least 6-8 months old when released. They have to have time to setup manufacturing, etc. So these specs has to be laid out in design specs early on.

I like the new specs as well trust me and I am sure once production get underway they will probably move all the phones that way. It would be a production cost move I would hope. Who knows.

Look at Costco and some TV/Electronics manufacturer's spec systems for a Costco exclusive. They package things for them all the time that they can't order or request. It's for Costco only. This could be the case for this T-Mobile device and the specs are for T-Mobile exclusive and perhaps T-mobile requested the specs not be reproduced.

It happens all the time. I wanted certain Gemballa wheels for my car that I knew were in Europe but the manufacturer was not allowed to sell the exact specs of those wheels in the US under their own name.

If you can't live with a TOP OF THE LINE prior spec phone in the HTC HD2 then you have issues. Before this T-Mobile announcement you were on top of the world with your HTC HD2 (well for those who didn't ***** about it). You still have an incredible piece of phone equipment - enjoy it.

It's just a phone not your health. Make a big deal about something when your health changes suddenly not phone specs. :)

PEACE.