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[Nexus One General] clubtech:
Thanks for all the replies.

However please keep in mind that in my original post, i was hardly making any comparison to the iPhone and at the end of my post i stated that i am going back to the HD2 . The iPhone is the last platform i am going back to, even with all the apps. i Just cant keep with the Apple / Jailbreakers game and all the limitations.

You do have native tethering on the iPhone, only it is disabled because at&t does not want you to have it. in other countries it works out of the box. no Jailbreak needed.

I agree that market share = incentive for developers however i am a bit worried that with the current state of the SDK, we will see the same old issues with cross device support for apps, and this is exactly where WinMo failed and the iPhone won (because there is only one device to support (chipset wise), so far)

If only the apps that are in the market now would work better, my point of view will be much different.

I want to use Skype, OK there is no real skype app so i tried to use Fring...DELAY on the call. unusable. I tried to use Nimbuzz, it is better but you cant turn off the screen so the battery dies fast.

I want to watch a movie > need to convert.

I want to watch live TV > there is still not a single app that can actually do this. ORB's app is really bad at the current version.

I want to tether > need to root (i am ok with this) but wireless tether never connected to my laptop. unusable. Wired tether worked fine.

I did watch the 50 best games on Android Video and the are in par with WinMo's games and so far WinMo is giving better usability. but the OS is not so stable hehe...

I guess there is no perfect phone.

Overall is the lack of actual functionally is what killed it for me. I hope it will get better in the future and then i can give it another try :)
[Nexus One General] eabinsan:
as you said, there is no perfect phone. but give it a little time, android is only a year old after all. i for one have little to no problems with FCs from any of the apps i'm using, so it also depends on what you like to do with your phone.

my main issue atm. is the lack of good bluetooth enabled voice dialing (and lack of any voice dialing at all for non-english users).

and the pet peeve would be the missing framework for the trackball colors.

other than that i'm really enjoiying the relative openess of the platform, and having cyanogen as a developer :)
[Nexus One General] TimSykes:
Tether without root with PDAnet. This program works great.
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
Looks like the OP need's to have a read over yonder

There's also been a great deal of talk in the development forum regarding new openGL support in 2.0.

App space has been limited in android and thats a factor, but this is being resolved and we will start to see more 'pretty' applications, but I would argue that android has just as many useful and good applications as the iPhone.
[Nexus One General] rossiscatch:
The ONLY windows mobile device that I would trade my Nexus One for is an HD2. It'd be a tough decision though. My touch pro 2 was fun from a customization stand point because I seemed to flash a new rom at least once every couple of days. However, it was painful to use, it was slow, required frequent restarts, work-arounds galore, etc etc. Android may have some bugs, but I have far less trouble with day to day use with my Nexus than I did with my TP2. The hardware power of the HD2 would probably alleviate the thing that killed the TP2 for me and that was the annoying speed (or lack thereof).

Iphone OS is boring, but it works reliably. Safari mobile on my Ipod touch is a great browsing experience (nexus is better though, simply due to the power).

The only major problem I have with Android 2.1 on my nexus is its lack of full exchange support. However, if I really cared that much about it I would drop the $20 to get Touchdown and be done with it. Oh, and I would really love it if a full version of Epocrates made its way to android sometime soon.

This is of course for my uses, and in my experience. Therefore, I am just adding my opinion to the bunch...
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
Firstly, how can you say the N1 is laggy? Seriously? Especially compared to a WinMo device, and even the iPhone 3GS. The N1 is hands down the fastest smart phone I have ever used, whether it be my own personally owned smart phone, or one I was testing for work. Most actions are instant or near instant in their result, and the only time I find myself waiting at all is when data transfer from the network is involved, and it does that faster on my N1 than any other phone I have tried! Actually, I can load some websites faster than my computer, and I am not talking about sites that use flash either.

Secondly, yes a 1 year old OS platform does not have the same level of app support that a 4 year old platform has(iPhone/iTouch) or a decade old platform (WM). However, it is an open source platform that is growing quickly. While not all 15K apps are perfect for every device, this is true of the WM platform and the iPhone platform. There are plenty of great apps, that don't reqiure root.

Thirdly, the Android OS supports the same media playback functions as the iPhone OS... and actually can handle more in some regards. The N1 will have native flash support someday(hopefully very soon), where as Apple has picked a fight with Adobe, and likely never will have flash support. To say the Android OS, and the N1 falls short in multi-media compared to the iPhone is ignorant, to say the least. WM does support more formats, but at the same time that is a result of a OS in developement a lot longer than Android, as well the current Android OS can support Divx, et al, but companies like CorePlayer do not want to make an app until this support is in the SDK natively, and CorePlayer has pointed out they are working closely with Google, and it looks as though Android 2.5(Froyo).

Fourthly, as someone that sells cell phones for a living, the Android OS is the best smart phone OS for me to sell to consumers by a long ways. It is much more functional than the BB OS, yet maintains the ease of use. iPhone OS lacks most of the top smart phone functions, and WinMo is too slow and buggy. While 3rd party apps are not perfect, this is true of any platform, and at least with Android it will force close instead of freeze the phone. As well, the apps that are quality work very well and blow most other stuff out of the water, ie CameraFX. I have yet to have a customer complain that a free app wasn't working right... nor complain that the phones were buggy.
[Nexus One General] diversificationied:
I was someone that came from winmo.

Android is much more polished than wimo, but it's barebones out of the box.

Winmo is much more packed with utilities out of the box, but lacks the polish of android.

That has alot to do with the timeframes of when these things derived. Android thrives on the "there's an app for that!" ecosystem.

Up until winmo (6.1?) there was no place to just get a quick app, so MS had to implement more things to give a better out of box experience. Too bad they lacked cleanliness.
[Nexus One General] kolyan:
Yes, Android has bugs and Yes, Market is poor compared to iPhone. But if you sum things up, I think Android wins. And Nexus wins as well, since I has the best hardware on the market today (or one of the best) 1Ghz CPU + AMOLED display + big resolution
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Sorry, double post.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
-	There is no real way to backup all you apps AND settings of the apps unless you have rooted your phone. If you want to upgrade your ROM or change ROM’s you need to reinstall everything (unless you are rooted and then you can backup your apps settings as well). This is something that should be implemented out of the box. WinMo has exactly the same problem.

Give the market a closer look, and download MyBackup - it does indeed backup apps and settings, along with other things like bookmarks, contacts, the usual. This is the only point I could point out from your post without having to go into extensive detail ._.
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
As well, to add to my last post, there is multi-phone support with the apps and the Android OS... if this wasn't so, why would the Moto apps work on the Nexus One? While an app written for Android 1.0/1.5/1.6 might not work on 2.1 perfectly, this does not change the fact an app written with the 2.1 SDK will work on any phone running 2.1(actually, SDK 2.0+ will work with any 2.0+ phone, minus live wallpapers.)

But that is to be expected, just as an app written for iPhone OS 1.0 won't work properly with 3.1.3, or WM5.0 apps won't work with WM6.5 properly.
[Nexus One General] archboy69:
Isn't this a pointless debate.

It like like trying to debate good vs evil, butter vs margarine, pro-choice vs pro-life?

He seems to have come up with his own very logical, sound reasons why and why not android is over rated. There are countless arguments for both sides and I've read all 15 post of this. Android like the iPhone OS like Windows, like symbian all have their strong and weak points. No perfect phone OS out there. But rather whiny and complain of this and that maybe improve it, like some of the really great developers here which advances Android OS and make it great for all of us users.

In the end do I care if you move to Window mobile...not really. Hope you are happy. Move on. Have a nice life.
[Nexus One General] swaney:
amen sir :)
[Nexus One General] PISSANDVINEGAR:
this thread is only worthy of a one line reply. ...
[Nexus One General] JJackson9995:
Well... Having never used a WinMo device. I can't argue that side of things... I owned a Blackberry (NEVER again!!!!), and I own an iPod Touch. Sure, the iTouch isn't the phone, but they're certainly one in the same. My iTouch is jailbroken btw.

With that said, I've never owned a better overall device than the N1. Don't get me wrong, it has its quirks and issues. But man, this thing IS my Media Player, my GPS, my overall entertainment "finder" (Where/Places/Aloqa), Grocery Lists, Forum browser (I'd say I'm 50/50 with Phone and PC while surfing web and forums now).

Sure, the apps could use some work... But, with quality devices being placed on the market, the apps WILL follow. Realize that the main reason the apps market isn't bigger, is because of the strangle-hold that Apple currently has on the market. Many Devs have invested into Apple development and have customers there. It's hard to talk them into changing their ways. In time, they'll sure move over to Android though.

With that said, the apps I get... Work for me. Just the basics: Handcent, Meebo, Car Home, Where/Places, "OurGroceries", Mixzing (Still not my ideal choice, but it gets the job done for now... And yes, I've tried Meridian, nemoPlayer, Stock, and TuneWiki), "Listen", and so on.

Yes, I've deleted as many apps as I still have on my phone (Many more than listed above)... But I've stuck with some that get the job done. If I could ask for only 2 other apps, it'd be Mint.com and Audible.com... Otherwise, I can be content in knowing I have my ideal communication device, with some GPS goodness, and it plays through my car speakers wirelessly.

So no... I don't consider it overrated, but rather too young. It'll mature in time.
[Nexus One General] s15274n:
just got in from the bar. this thread took 5 minutes of my life. this is not t&e place. go cry elsewhere.

mod to delete, yay.
[Nexus One General] soklean:
i second that..
[Nexus One General] soklean:
sorry man not to hate on this thread....

I have had all the high-end smart phones; HD2, TouchPro2, Iphone3g and 3gs, mytouch, g1, N1 so on and so forth.

your claims on the N1 actually go against your own post...

1. Market- the apps in the app market may not be numerous but you can find an app that will suite your needs there may not be a skype app but there is a program that will allow you to still use skype... do you even use skype???

2.This phone and the HD2 are the only 2phones out right of this moment with this particular chip set... no other phone in the market has this amount of RAM or processing power.

3.Multi Media- why are you watching TV on your phone???... sorry...JW.. this phone will support almost any format.. of audio and video.

4. It took Apple 3 generations of Iphones to send MMS text really wow!! It took Windows a decade to release an application market wow...you cant customize anything on your iphone sms ringtone nope.. notification ringtone nope..Windows same issue unless u want to convert, chop, find the directory on your phone for a stupid SMS sound wow..!!

5. N1/Android- fully customizable.. in almost every aspect.. managed to do what the iphone couldnt do in 3 years.. and managed to do what Windows couldnt do in an entire decade..

My last thought.. your claims are from someone that does not understand nor appreciates the capabilities of Android or the N1.. i also think its a bit immature and presumptuous... personally no one has a gun to your head .. so return ur N1...and...

No ONE asked for your unsubstantiated opinion..
[Nexus One General] rydr1:
Overrated for some? Yes. For other? NO. It all depends who

YOU

were listening too.

Do I think this is the best phone in the world? No, but I do enjoy it better than any phone I have had so far. It has its flaws, but what stupid winMo and Iphone doesn't.

You are disappointed because you actually believed all the reviews that android lovers have to say. You can never believe a biased review.

I have come a long way from modding a history of phone all the way from before the razr v3 came out to blackberry, windows mobile and iphone. I even left android to test out an iphone and it just sucked on how restricted the damn thing was and I was embarrassed to use it.

Dont get offended but most of the stuff that you have mentioned, the other phones cant do without modding them either.

What is important to the android community is that the modding does not stop with a jailbreak and cydia apps like iphone or the higher restrictions that WinMo users have.

I apologize for the long post, i probably typed more than what I should have, but in my conclusion i would rather have and over rated phone than an iphone or winmo.
[Nexus One General] Gotenn:
There are some good games for the android.

This vid has some previews for like 50 and a lot of them look good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn-XaaQXIxw
[Nexus One General] dabido:
Just wanted to post something. off topic and feel like expressing myself in this threa.

I just had the worst experience with iphone 3gs (iphone in general). You basically have to use Itunes for damn everything! I didnt have itunes on my PC and so, i was forced to download the program. I can see why apple is stuck in its own little world.

I was actually never a fan of apple. its simple, reliable, and damn expensive and I feel that apple is to tleaningowards the dumb wealthy crowd.

I feel blessed to own an android OS phone.

HTC Dash > SK3> BB curve 8320> G1> N1.
[Nexus One General] typ_ex:
heres a question, are you going to flash a custom rom on your HD2? if so, why not root and gain what seems to be most of the benefits that you're missing?
[Nexus One General] SystmDcln:
Android is all about patients. I've used Android sense the G1, and it has come a very long way sense then. What you need to understand about Android and it's apps are one important thing: User base. That is the only reason why IPhone has so many apps, it has a really good market of buyers. Now Android is catching up, and as I've said before if you wait good things will come.
[Nexus One General] rydr1:
Thank you for posting this up, i though i was the only one that felt this way. My wife went from the G1 to the iphone 3g and she says she still loves the android phone and will return when the N1 price drops. I havent done a damn thing to it since i unlocked it and did the the first mods and loaded apps.

I have done so much more with my N1 and It does not require a computer.:D
[Nexus One General] grb:
I've just come over from WinMo and I've never owned an Iphone.

I've had my N1 for less than a week, so I'm not ready to judge yet, but here's my thoughts on the topic so far:

I switched because WinMo had the usual issues that have already been mentioned.

Android is definitely smooth and pretty and there's plenty I love so far.

I was just a bit dissapointed at the lack of basic things that weren't inlcuded, i.e.:

Notes

Tasks

"x" in the top right corner to close what your doing!

simple copy and paste

file explorer

difficulty getting to the actualy battery remaining %

I realize you can find this stuff in the Market, but it sucks trying out 5 different things only to find they all pretty much suck.

I'm also mad I have to go find a file converter to change all my music over to work on the android. I never even gave this a thought. I figured my music was a common format.

Oh well, it's all part of the growing pains of making the switch to a new O/S.

I guess it's kinda like a new girlfriend, huh?

On one hand, there's things you will miss about the old one, but don't forget you left her for a reason.

On the other hand, your excited to find out what the new one has to offer, but you also know there's going to be some things you hate.

Life's a *****, If it was easy, It would say Life's a Slut.
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Which format is it? And you can just slap on DoubleTwist. It converts everything into the appropriate format automatically, movies and all.
[Nexus One General] grb:
Cool beans, thanks, I'll check it out. My music was in .WMA, i believe. Obviously a windows format. I've already converted one album, but I haven't figured out how to include the art work yet. Does Double Twist do that as well? I'll get it figured out eventually, it was just something I didn't anticipate. No biggy, no baddy, no upper, no downer. lol
[Nexus One General] grainysand:
Yep, DoubleTwist incorporates album artwork. Drag, drop, it syncs and converts. I don't need the thing myself, since all my music's MP3, but it's helpful for movie files.
[Nexus One General] :
Properly tag your files and your artwork will be embedded.

Or drop a album.jpg in the folder with the rest of the album.
[Nexus One General] johnnie93:
I've had the G1 from year one and i LOVED it,Android in my opinion is the best OS for phones.... and I think your overrated.... Windows mobile is sh*t and took it years to get the whole OS running at its best and its not because of Microsoft , Nope its because of HTC and their GUI, with-out that, Windows mobile would of hit a dead end...so please take your crap else where....
[Nexus One General] karthikjr:
Appreciate the OP's view point. But as someone who's had the G1 for most of the last year and has now moved to the N1, I can tell you that the Android OS and the ecosystem is improving by leaps and bounds.

Talk to anyone who had a pre-Cupcake G1, and ask them to tell you how different the N1 is, from what was truly a barebones OS back then. And that's wasn't even a year ago! Video formats, app marketplace and devs: all of these will come in, and quick. If you follow any gadget website (engadget, for all its iPhone love, still does a damn good job), you'll see that a good number of smartphones that are being launched today by most vendors (htc, motorola, samsung, LG, sony ericcson) will run Android. By mid 2010, the G1-touting newbie-OS-that-was will have turned into an OS that runs on some really sexy hardware from a number of well respected vendors. And they'll be sold not just online, but in stores around the world. And that, will get the devs flocking to the marketplace.

I understand your rant.

But as so many above have noted, it's premature.

Very premature.
[Nexus One General] karthikjr:
And oh, I had to add this: the hardware.

Say anything you want about the OS and ecosystem right now.

But not a word against the hardware, please! :)

The HD2 should never ever be compared to the lithe, slim and

(for want of a better word) elegant device the N1 is. The form

factor is truly unique at this point, and no iPhone and no WinMo device

comes close. HTC has done a bang-up job here. No questions.
[Nexus One General] irajames1176:
I agree with the original post that there are lots of things that need to be fixed with android before it becomes a REAL competitor, don't get me wrong I'm a fan of android and the "Google Phone" Nexus One is THEE phone I've been waiting for long before the iPhone and I own both the 3GS and N1.

So with that said coming from an iPhone many generations of them for almost 3 years (since about launch) and then coming to the Nexus One, the android os still needs to mature and yes I understand that will happen with updates, but right now it has that how do I say it...to Linuxy feel, like blocky and to computer-ish for a phone? I'm not saying linux is bad by a long shot I love that too and that's another story, and I'm not saying everything has to be round and shiny but they should definitely give it a more modern feel like make transitions more smooth from app to app or when going to landscape, so imho right now android feels like a computer os first and a phone os second I can tell even with the software keyboard typing on it just doesn't feel as snappy as the iPhone, I noticed that right away playing with my Nexus One it really needs to be optimized more and needs to mature to become bigger then it is.

And PLEASE for the love of all that's holy give us more then just megabytes for app storage! I'm sure that the limited space will or has detoured some big app developers also, or even give us the option to store apps on our SD cards when we put one in? Alright I'm done I'm still rooting for android but this time around it still needs more maturing.
[Nexus One General] alenaski:
it is overrated

I got N1 just a few weeks ago. Hardware is pretty nice, but Android is definitely not ready for a prime time.

Occasionally I do notice slow downs (very short ones - but they are there).

Keyboard is not as good as on iPhone.

I do use Skype for calling - so missing that on N1.

I like having proper navigation software(though I am not using it much), and tried to install Copilot and Motonav and Igo on Android - but neither of them run properly (of course I tried cracked versions, but seems like it was incompatibility because of screen resolution or 2.1).

You know what I am thinking? Can someone cook a Windows Mobile rom for N1? I would definitely try WM on N1.

I have 5 year old imate K-Jam - and it still runs WM 6.5 and I can configure it to satisfy my needs. You definitely would not be able to do that with iPhone or Android. So Android openness does not help android to be more open than WM (with a help of xda).