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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Shasarak:
The availability of WP7 for the HD2 is still unknown at this point. My best guess is that there will not be an official WP7 upgrade, but that there will be unofficial "cooked" ROMs available here on XDA that include it; however, I could easily be wrong on both points.

Bear in mind that the release of WP7 could be anything up to 10 months away; it doesn't make sense to think about what a phone might be doing in 10 months time when deciding whether or not to buy it now; base your decision on what it can do right now.

Having said that, there is one valid concern: now that it has been confirmed that WP7 won't be able to run WM6 applications, there is virtually no motivation at all for any commercial software developer to start developing anything new for WM6, as the platform will effectively cease to exist at the end of this year; so I suspect we shall see a rapid drying-up of any new WM6 software releases (other than hobbyist stuff such as apps here on XDA).

Well, bear in mind that many people who post here do not speak English as a first language - indeed, plenty don't even speak it as a second language. This is relatively easy to spot when talking to someone face to face because they'll speak with an accent, but it's easy to miss in text. When someone uses English poorly, always ask yourself whether maybe they speak English better than you speak their first language. :)

HTC head office went to the trouble of publicly contradicting that announcement and stating that no decision had yet been made.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
@ Shasarak, just received your reply, Thank you for that answer, the only phone worthwhile is the HD2 (still waiting) in contrast the Dell 5 I'm observing but my pocket still waits for the HD2. Again Thanks.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MalekoUK:
I'll just wait and see. Try one or read a hands on review.

The joy of Microsoft products is the flexability they give you, not beign tied down to their own stuff like Apple does.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] owenw:
You know this is a good thing right? Sense UI makes phones run slower and provides an inconsistent interface. MS is doing this BECAUSE of these. They want people to be able to ask "I want a Windows Phone" and be able to get the experience across many phones rather than trillions of different crappy UI's.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
In answer - yes I too like havung the most updated phone.

Now here's a question (Engadget) showed the Morph Keypad, will this work with the HD2???

I'm going top use the Rocket & the Morph if everying will work, hooked up to TMO.

Thanks crew!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
Oh yea I forgot, I don't plan on connecting to Win7 until it knows what it's doing, one thing at a time since there are so many ROM's to investigate.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Alaxar:
Just like the 2np poster said, I'd take this with a grain of salt. Remember all the rumors about the future of Windows before Vista was released. DRM, subscription only, what defender was going to do if it found illegal software on your puter.......
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
http://www.tmonews.com/

Here it is the price is now announced for the HD2!

(Hope I don't get in trouble for this).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Crazy $449.00 with no plan. I wanted to get myself one and my wife the Nexus One but didn't want to pony up the $529 for the Nexus One. I may get lucky in life and get two HD2's!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
Any ideas what accessories you plan on getting with the HD2?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Probably none.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
Well OK but I'm getting another battery, attachable KB, a case & I think the Bluetrek 8.5 sound reduction HS (already have Plantronics).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Kloc:
I'll just stick with my Touch Pro2 til the holidays xD.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
You know I will be getting an extended battery as I always have. I use my phone a lot and find that the regular battery just doesn't cut it. I have a set of Plantronic 590A's also and when using them on stereo bluetooth for answering calls it sucks the life out of the battery.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
Since the powerful HD2 is the end of the line (shame on you Windows) I'm becoming hesitant purchasing something, that, whomever here will be the only ones to make it better. Yes I'll most likely get it but I've spoken earlier what is my second attention, sad it's not Windows but I do run their PC.

Gee, I hope this makes sense.

It's amazing: 1st GEN & Last Gen are both kind of the same, so I guess I'm stuck in the middle.:rolleyes:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
I still think the HD2 is the best & it's right around the corner.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
Thank you Bonnie Cha (CNET), your report was very good. I'm wondering how long before TMO get's 3G to my Florida area?

Is it already here?

Thanks
[HD2 General] Alpha4:
I have a few BBC iPlayer Videos that I have downloaded and stored on the Storage Card (Might while away a couple of hours on frequent long flights :-).

Trouble is, when I play them using Pictures & Videos app, the screen times out after a short period of time (around 1 Min) and jumps back to the Homescreen. Is it getting this setting from the 'Settings/Sound & Display/Display/Backlight' settings?

If so, I don't understand why it's dropping out to the Homescreen instead of turning the screen off altogether.

Anbody else had this and know how to resolve it please?

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] cybermo:
thx for this work.

Just installed on hd2 and soft reset but doesnt work :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] l3v5y:
Currently doing a lot of work on this, closing the thread for now... It will be good when its finished! :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Due to the fact that I had the same idea than l3v5y to develop a multitouch gesture launcher based on the PenTrac approach, we decided to develop LMT together. This is our first alpha version:

LMT is able to launch and close processes with multitouch gestures. The following gestures are currently supported (see gestures.jpg in attachments):

- DoubleSquare: Close LMT

- DoubleQuestionMark: Learn mode; the following gesture will be connected to the process related to the foreground window. Next time the gesture is done, LMT will start the connected process

- DoubleLineUp: Close the current process

- DoubleLineDown: Connect e.g. to TaskFacade as a “Multitouch Taskmanager”

- DoubleLineLeft, DoubleLineRight

- DoubleArrowLeft, DoubleArrowRight

We decided to support only special multitouch gestures to not interfere with normal scrolling gestures or the HTC pinch to zoom feature. I hope someone can try our first version and give us a bug report, comments to new features, etc…
[Windows Mobile Software Development] kanesw:
After installing that cab, i cannot get any of the gestures you have installed to work. Even after a softreset. Something Im missing/doing wrong?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] snoK123:
Same for me:(...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Senfsaft:
Hi,

works fine on my HD2.

Is there a possibility to define some exclusions?

Like S2U2?

It crashes when I swipe up when s2u2 is on and also when the quicklinks on manila mainscreen are up

manuel
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Hm, I reinstalled the cab and everthing works fine. Can you please check the following things:

1) file \windows\PenTrac.dll exists

2) file \Program Files\LMT\LMT.exe exists

3) When starting LMT, the reg value HKLM\HARDWARE\DEVICEMAP\TOUCH\MultiTouchDemo is set to "1". For testing set value to "0" and then to "1" while LMT is active. Does LMT work?

4) Correct gesture? Gestures are all multitouch gestures, e.g. swipe two fingers down

5) Which ROM version are you using? Can you please post \windows\touch.dll from ROM dump?

If it still won't work I have to add logging support in PenTrac.dll and LMT.exe to see what's wrong...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Hi Senfsaft,

good to hear the app is working on one HD2 except mine! :-) Exclusion list? Not yet, but not a problem for upcoming releases.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] kanesw:
After running LMT the registry value was still set to 0. Changing it to 1 has fixed the issues i had
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Senfsaft:
i'm using artemis 3.0 rom
[Windows Mobile Software Development] HTCHD2_2010:
I would be more than glad to test this out and give you feedback.

I think you will have heaps more to do testing with pleasures.

Again thanx for the efforts of this apps.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] HTCHD2_2010:
Ok i 've quickly stole sometimes from work to do some testing as i am very anxious.

Firstly, i had to reinstall the LMT v0.1.cab twice because first time it did not

write in to the registry setting as 1.

2ndly, when it was installed properly as mentioned in ur checklist, everytime i am in an application and do a double down swipe, i can see momentarily the

LMT appl icon displayed then disappeared but then nothing happened.

So i went to the home screen then tried same thing again that was when

the HD2 froze and now is in reset mode.

Oh, i am running Duttys Leo Sense 2.5.x Holy Grail V0.6 release on 3 Feb.

I hope this will help.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] cshuwing:
working fine! i love this app! thanks so much

I am also able to re-connect doublelinedown to taskmgr.exe instead of taskfacade coz i havnt installed it.

the tweak i have done to make it run correctly:

1. installed the cab

2. run LMT in the start menu

3. when LMT is running, change the regkey hklm\hardware\devicemap\touch\multitouchdemo from 0 to 1

rom: dutty leo multi lang 1.8

os: 21891

manila: 2.5.20112328

thanks again~
[Windows Mobile Software Development] HTCHD2_2010:
Oh wow, i did exactly the same and has similar set up in ROM as you do.

Strange my did not work.

So this at least give me some hopes. Trying again now. I noticed you didn't even need to reset to make it work.

Cheers.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] HTCHD2_2010:
Yes, I tried again and it did work.

However, i know it a bit too much to request as this is a huge effort already

but is there a way i can configure it to switch or looping through all the loaded apps currently in the task manager by repeatedly double down action swiping each time?

Cheers.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] din0_22:
i dont get it? im following the above procedure..

install .cab

run LMT from start menu

edit registry of multitouchdemo to 1

save registry and exit

it appears that whnever i do a two finger swipe down the gesture appears but nothing will happen

if i swipe up it will close the application..

i tried restaring the HD2 but still the same.

my rom, duttys holy grail 1.6
[Windows Mobile Software Development] HTCHD2_2010:
I think you must have accidentally set the registries by doing a double swipe question mark.

Now go to your registry to check what is your HKLM\Software\LMT\TopToBottomLineDouble currently set to and then change the value back to what you want eg: "\windows\TaskMgr.exe" , means double swipe down will take you to your TaskMgr no matter where you are.

Hope I can help out.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yngvebn:
Simply amazing! Exactly what I was looking for :)

Great work guys! Unleashing the true power of HD2 and Windows Mobile :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] cshuwing:
double swipe down will execute taskfacade by default.

if ur device doesnt have taskfacade installed, double swipe down will do nothing.

thats why i re-connect double swipe down with taskmgr.exe

as suggested by above, u can maually edit the regkey...

or follow this:

1. open the program that u want LMT link to

2. On the screen showing your program, Double swipe question mark

3. Then, double swipe your desired gesture. (Read the supported gestures)

4. It's done.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] l3v5y:
The default values are all still the defaults, they've just been shifted to the registry so you can configure them if wanted.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] aussiebum:
+1 for mouse trail! That'll be like mouse gestures in FireFox then :)

Noticed the gesture function to emulate the "Home" button isn't in this release yet - guess I'll stick with Mortscript for now.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] MR.VENOM:
can anyone tell me how can i install and use this soft??????

LMT Launcher 0.5
[Windows Mobile Software Development] danusko:
save file to your sd card,

run and install it

then go to programs and run LMT

after this you can try gesture from 1st post.

If you write "??" gesture, then you can assign new gesture (write it on display) for apps which is in foreground...

ok?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] danusko:
good job noname...it works perfect for me

is still miss my "L" gesture for close app..but it is very good ...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Thanks for the update. Again, great job. I like the (default) mapping of the back-gesture to back-key command.

Just an idea I want to throw in the group, so to speak:

A bit of a "problem" for me is that I have to swap the phone from my right to my left hand when I want to enter a multitouch gesture (I'm right handed). To prevent this I was wondering if the multitouch funtionality can be used in a other way. For example, wouldn't it be nice to touch-and-hold the screen with your left hand and make a swipe with your right hand. Like this:

(The problem is of course with this design is how the tap-and-hold tap is implemented. Maybe by tapping the notification bar, on wm 6.5.x where the startbutton was? Maybe by creating a sort of "dead spot" overlay that only can be used by lmt and else doesn't do anything, Maybe direct as a multitouch gesture on it's own. The last one would of course be the best)

Again a bit of out of the box thinking here. Just a trigger :)

Thanks again for this great app. (waiting for st mode swipes :) )
[Windows Mobile Software Development] danusko:
appelflap i think it will be problem for users like me, whos use UI SPB Mobille shell, because there is tap and hold assigned to edit layout for home screen...:(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Ok, good point. However, don't know how this would work out if it is implemented as a multi-touch gesture -> tap-and-hold and swipe
[Windows Mobile Software Development] danusko:
i am affraid if it will works...

i tried it with my phone and when i tap and hold and immediately try with other finger to swipe...it still edit layout :(

it seems, that spb MS doesnt care what you do next...if is there a tap and hold it edit layout after 0,5s
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Yeah, it's a tricky one. But I don't know how the multitouch gestures are recognized. I really don't know if it could work. But apart from that, would you it be a valuable addition for you if you don't have to swap the phone from one hand to the other before making a multi-gesture? For me it would, but it can be that you don't care and that you like it this way.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] webpatrick:
Love LMT.

I saw your video on wmpowerusers (v 0.5), which taskmanager are you using in that video?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] danusko:
for me is the best way simply gesture with one hand one finger :) - as delete....square doesnt works so good for me...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Shawn_230:
I believe it's Task Facade.

Edit: Nevermind, looks like I was wrong. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Perhaps I should move the DebugMode activation into registry so that users can practice their gestures. It is sometimes useful to see the drawn and the matched gestures... :-)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] danusko:
this will be great :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] MAMeingast:
Now THAT is a great idea! I would love that! I have the exact same issue (having to switch hands) and it's the only "problem" I have with LMT!

Don't get me wrong, it's still awesome the way it is! ;)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] l3v5y:
That's mmTask, it's on Marketplace (I think).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Hi, I implemented this feature as a proof of concept. Perhaps you can test the attached version and tell me whether it's working as expected and if you find some problems/interferences...

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Thank you... I'm very curious if this works.

EDIT: This is working great. There's definitely some interference with buttons etc at the location where I want to do a tap and hold. BUT, if I use this program and instruct the right side of the notificationbar to do nothing and use that location for a tap-and-hold, it works very intuitive and comfortable. Also a back swipe in Opera is going very easy this way.

btw did you only implement the double swipe up, down, left and right in this version?

(I keep this version if you don't mind :) )
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Ok, this sounds good. I'm not able to disable any buttons so you have to tap-on-hold on a "non touchable" area as you described. But I didn't strip this version so all 8 gestures should work!?

I'll release that feature in the next release, but you have to enable it via reg value. And there will be another nice feature in the next release... :-)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
That would be nice. Best of both worlds!

And I think what is coming .. :)

EDIT: other gestures are working as well!! Did need a bit more practice for these.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] AviaTIGER:
set up...???

Hi everyone ,

I installed the "LMT v0.5.CAB" , then restart my HD2.

Then , I search for settin icon for this app. but only see a button. When I pressed the button , nothing happened.

I can shape the gestures , I can see the gestures on the screen but nothing happening...

How can I define the programs to this app... ( Where is the settings...??? )

Please help me...

P.C: Sorry for my english...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] aussiebum:
Just about to try this test version, assume the tap n hold location can be anywhere considered "non touchable"?

Another suggestion that might be useful would be ability to recognise gestures that form shapes or specific symbols in any order they're drawn from.

For example, for the single gesture triangle ("Delete") to be recognised, I have to start from the top and draw it from right-to-left. Drawing left-to-right from the top doesn't get the gesture recognised.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] aussiebum:
Settings in Registry under HKCU\Software\LMT\
[Windows Mobile Software Development] AviaTIGER:
thanks...

Thanks a lot @aussiebum...

By the way , I cant fint the task manager on the video... :(

"@l3v5y : That's mmTask, it's on Marketplace (I think). "

I loked at the marketplace and web but I cant find it... :confused:

Could someone give a link or the whole name the program , I really love this taskmanager...

Thanks a lot...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Tr3ckie:
this would be really cool =) i only use opera in landscape mode so i cant use the back gesture....could u implement the gesture rotation?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
The implementation for this feature is easy but I didn't find a way to inform LMT as a service about the screen rotation. I only found a way to inform the current fg window. Is there a way to broadcast screen rotation to all or specific windows (also invisible ones)?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Added Alt+Tab feature as internal lmt commands and refined the tap and hold feature. I also found a bug in the gesture engine so the gesture engine in v0.6 should be more reliable... :-) Will test the new version tomorrow and hope we can release it soon.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] traianescu:
good night, noname81 ! :D

too much new features for an update... for such things, deserves to wait even 2 days.. ;)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yngvebn:
It just occured to me, that the tap'n'hold feature might not work very well with SPB-shell, so I think it would be wise to keep it as a turn on/off feature :)

(You enter edit-mode if you tap and hold...)

:)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] nomedor:
Excellent jop.

It would be really cool to port this program to android. Its very useful.

Also, please patent it before apple does it for you :p
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Nice! Well done. Maybe you can post a test version in this thread so we can give you extra feedback before you release it?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Yes, maybe it should be seen as a sort of mode for experienced, power users of lmt (because it's really a sort of shortcut for the "normal" multi-gestures). When it will be defined this way it will keep LMT much more accessible for a wide spread of users.

BTW I /love/ the tap-and-hold feature :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
fyi: The feature is disabled by default and you can enable it via reg value.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] yngvebn:
Excellent :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Shawn_230:
Is Opera back function broken for anyone else in v0.5?

It keeps loading up my shortcut in double line left instead of Opera back which used to take precedence before when Opera was open.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] appelflap:
Great, looking forward to edit your cab ... :p

BTW can you implement a little dialogbox that will ask for a confirmation when you try to learn a new command? It's really easy to accidentaly relearn a command (without even knowing that it is redefined :) ... )
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Hi, the Opera back is now combined with the normal back behavior as an internal command "Back". So you have to connect this command via RegEditor e.g. to your double line left gesture (this is also the default behavior).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
It is perhaps a good idea. Or you can disconnect the "Learn" command via registry... :-)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] NCHEVYHEVN:
Why do all the cool apps get put on the HD2? lol

Would it ever be possible to have single line gestures so the guys with resistive screens could play as well.

Not sure it could work but maybe with shapes only?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
The problem is not having single touch gestures. It would be easy to port LMT to any wm phone with resistive screens (but without mt gesture support). Here is the problem:

Getting the touch screen values as a service in bg! I hacked into HD2's touch.dll and did a lot of IDA'ing to find a way to archive this. But my approach works only for the HD2 and probably all new HTC capacitive screen devices as e.g. the HD Mini!?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] poo1009:
I really like this application, but why don't you put user customizable with default functions.

I means in each guesture instead of launch the default feature, it might be better if I can change it to luanch the thing I prefer.

For example, for Double square, instead of close LMT, for my personal style I may change it to launch iGO. DoubleLineUp, instead of close current process, I may change to toggle wifi or else as I prefer.

I think it will more function and more useful for everyone and make it mine like Sense concept ^o^.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] noname81:
Hi, you can do that with v0.5. See the change log: "removed hard coded gesture commands. :-) All internal commands can be mapped to any gesture now". Use the learn gesture to connect any gesture to an external program or modify the behavior via Registry (HKCU\Software\LMT). Here you can define internal commands or external processes for any gesture.