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[HD2 General] Svegetto:
I hate to say but your "customer value" points make little sense.

1.) Ya, they could give it another name (and Tmobile might still do that) but I don't see how that changes anything. The phone is already FOR TMOBILE USA ONLY and will not work on any other 3G! HTC has no control over how much Tmobile chooses to sell their device for. I'm guessing the phone will be around 300-400 with 2 year contract and around 700-800 without contract (which would make no sense since you won't get 3G anywhere but Tmobile USA).

2.) There is no way there would be a free hardware update. No company would ever do that unless there was a hardware problem with one of its components (Not only would they have no reason but it would cost them CRAZY MONEY). Even with your small "fee" it would cost them not only like $100+ but also the time to go around changing the components(it's not like changing ram in a computer). The comany would not only have to change the ROM/RAM but also the radio chip (and likely the entire mobo) which costs time and money.

3) The only reason the HD2 got the upgrade was because Tmobile USA wanted it. HTC would not have done it otherwise. I don't understand why people think that there is unused RAM/ROM in the initial version just because someone flashed a new ROM from the upcoming version. Although I can't confirm or deny whether there is or isn't the extra memory, I seriously doubt that htc would put it into a phone and not use/advertise it (it would make no sense to spend the extra money but not advertise it and instead make it unavailable for no reason.)

Furthermore, as you said yourself, HD came out in October. The USA version comes out in March/April (most likely). That's roughly 6months/half a year; which is pretty much half the lifetime of the device. In another 6months there will probably be an HD3 which will put the HD2 to shame just like the HD2 did with the HD.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
some people has activated the hidden ram and all programms shows the existance of the hidden ram it cannot be fake or hardcoded
[HD2 General] Archer:
It does have another model name. It's the HD2b.

How much does it cost? No-one knows as it won't be out for ages anyway.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i want to ask you some thing do you really belive in hidden ram i want your opinion as i appreciate it
[HD2 General] Archer:
To be honest, I haven't really got an opinion as I know too little about how the hardware works. Besides, there's a thread for that conversation, and this isn't it.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
What is this based on exactly? The HTC US page still displays it as a HD2, no mention of b anywhere to be found.

Like others have said, I don't believe T-Mobile has 'paid' for the beefed up version and it's economically unviable for HTC to have two completely separate production lines going for the one handset, so either they will be rolling out this change across the world, they have stockpiled enough 'rev.1' handsets to meet demand until it reaches EOL or we will see a "HD3" sooner than expected.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
@emigrating

The TMO US HD2 has different 3G bands. It's different hardware and needs a different production line anyway.

It will NEVER come to Europe, because those 3G bands are not used in Europe.

Can we PLEASE close this thread?

There is no point to it. The US HD2 is different hardware and will never come to Europe, so there's absolutely no point in complaining that the Europe HD2 is different.

Those that complain here don't even understand that the US HD2 wouldn't work for them, anyway. Nobody has been "shafted", because everyone who bought the "old" HD2 would still have to buy the "old" HD2, because the "new" one just doesn't work here.

HTC had to make a different HD2 because of the TMO US 3G-Bands and maybe memory chips got cheaper, smaller or TMO wanted to have more, so they put more memory in it, beause they had to produce a different HD2 anyway. It's only natural that after half a year, better technology comes out. You can't buy any piece of tech and then complain that half a year later, something better is available.

Just close it, now!
[HD2 General] emigrating:
I am aware of that, but you do not have to retool the entire production line to use a different radio. That said, I don't understand why they are continuing with the 'one' band 3G/HSDPA hardware - a few other phones on the market are truly world-phones in that they are compatible with both AWS and the rest of the world.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
They have their reasons. Maybe they couldn't fit in 448MB of RAM if they'd produce a "world" phone. Maybe the different 3G bands in the US are the reason that they can fit more memory into the "new" HD2. Maybe memory just got cheaper within the last months, maybe the necessary chips weren't available before. But that doesn't matter. The "new" HD2 is for the US only, and there's absolutely no reason for any Europeans to complain.
[HD2 General] Starfury:
According to another thread, the Euro/Asia HD2's also have 576Mb of RAM which is unlocked with a combination of a 2.02 ROM and a specific Radio.

They are currently trying to work out if there is actually a 1Gb Flash ROM thats being hidden as well...

So yes please close this thread..
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I'd rather be more interested in having additional storage than RAM!

Who'd use 576MB of RAM? I barely use 1/4 of that... I always have that low space problem when installing applications from the MarketPlace..
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You can't even fill 448MB RAM. 576MB is pointless, at least for now.

Additional storage would be nice.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
I'm not complaining (I'll pick up a "HD2b" as well as my current HD2 - although I would have preferred a single handset, the 4.3" screen has completely sold me on the HD2), and of course there are reasons behind the US version being upgraded. Chip pricing (or even general availability) is a good bet, but it really doesn't matter as, IMO, it still does not make sense for HTC to retool the line for a single-operator handset.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You would have preferred, I would have preferred, he yould have preferred... we all would have preferred... something.

And by the way, HTC has OFTEN retooled handsets for one or two operators. Just think of the Touch Cruise, for example. Or the Touch Pro 2, that came in like... ten different versions?
[HD2 General] mark0326:
Because it's not released yet, it's known as a HD to be.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
The Touch Cruise was/is available in two different models, the 2008 and 2009 release. The 2008 device was further available as a HTC or Dopod, but the only change between the two were cosmetic changes. The difference between the 2008 and 2009 models are larger, but just as you would expect they have retooled completely and are obviously no longer producing the older 2008 model.

As for the Touch Pro 2 - again the devices were internally identical (bar the latest models - same story as the Cruise) apart from the different bands.

If the Euro/Asia models do not get an upgrade to the same spec as the US ones I'm willing to bet my balls this is because the extra RAM/ROM (and other tweaks/fixes) will be disabled on non-US devices simply for the fact of not causing an uproar from 'early' customers.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
No, I was talking about the Touch Cruise and the O2 XDA Orbit 2 (aka Pola100 and Pola200). They both came out in late 2007/early 2008. The XDA Orbit 2 was made for O2 Germany.

And no, the Touch Pro 2 models are NOT internally identical. Some have a 3.5mm headphone jack, some have a different keyboard and that requires different internals. The time between the release of different Touch Pro 2 models was shorter than the time between the release of the two HD2 models.

Let the Americans enjoy their "upgraded" HD2. They had to wait a lot longer than we did. Naturally, technology gets better with time. And sorry to say that, but any European 'early' customer who complains is a stupid idiot! Nobody in Europe has been "shafted", because the US HD2 is only for the US. End of story.
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
I think this thread deserves not single but double facepalm.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
Fair enough, although I still maintain that the HTC Touch Cruise (2008 model), HTC Touch Find and O2 XDA Orbit 2 are identical. As are the HTC Touch Cruise (2009), Dopod Touch Cruise and O2 XDA Guide. There are cosmetic differences but for all intents and purposes they are exactly the same phones.

Whilst it is true that certain Touch Pro models (network specific) had a 3.5mm jack it's not too far fetched to think that the motherboard of all TP's actually had the solderpoints on the PCB - they were just not used on some of the models. If so, this again comes down to cosmetic changes. The same holds true for the keyboard, even if they look/act differently they would be connected to the main PCB using the same connector.

I'm not saying all network models are 100% identical, because they clearly are not, but all changes thus far are small enough to fall into a category of customer customization of the same base-model. Sort of like you purchasing a new BMW M6 Coupe - all the cars are built in the same factory, on the same line, but they still customize your car to how you want it to look/act/feel. If you want a manual gearbox, that's fine. You want an automatic, that's fine also. Factory fitted spoiler? Not a problem. The parts are interchangable just like a keyboard-module or external case for your Touch Pro phone.

Before someone points out the obvious, yes - it is possible that HTC has sourced identical but higher capacity RAM/ROM chips for the US model and left all other bugs/problems alone. In which case I agree, we will not see this model worldwide - I do think that is rather unlikely though, especially as the physical dimensions of the US model is slightly different to the existing phone. Then again, until it is actually available to buy no-one really knows what they have or haven't changed.

As for people being stupid idiots, I do agree that some of the posts in this thread borders on moronic, but at the same time I can definitely understand the 'anger' of those people who have just (within the past two weeks or so) purchased their "sub-par" HD2 :)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
No, they're not. They don't only look different, they've also got different internals. Nothing that can't easily be changed, but the changes between the two HD2 models are also very small.

And no, I can NOT understand the 'anger' of any one of the 'early adopters'. The "new" HD2 won't come to Europe, even if people had not bought the HD2 before, they would have to buy the "old" one here in Europe. None of the 'early adopters' has been 'shafted' and anyone complaining is a moron in my opinion. That sounds harsh, but it's true.
[HD2 General] spoogedemon:
for the germany-speaking -folks.

response from the "germany/austria/swiss"-support-team.

"Sehr geehrter HTC Kunde Vielen Dank fuer Ihre Anfrage bezueglich Ihres HTC Geraetes. Das Geraet HTC HD2 wird mit T-Mobile Branding auf dem amerikanischen Markt angeboten und das Geraet wurde nicht von HTC sondern von T-Mobile umgebaut wurde. Im Moment gibt es keine Information ob HTC die Geraete mit selben Spezifikationen angeboten werden auf dem Europaeischen Markt. Im Moment haben wir die Information nicht, ob und wann fuer das Geraet Update auf Windows Mobile 7 fuer das Geraet erscheinen wird, denn dieser Update wurde noch nicht von Microsoft offiziell angekuendigt. Bitte schauen Sie immer wieder auf der HTC Webseite nach, wann es angekuendigt wird. Mit freundlichen Gruessen"
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yeah, that's right. There was a post in this thread about official confirmation of the name HD2b.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
I think you are wrong. AFAIK there is nothing stopping you from using a O2 device as spare parts for your Cruise or vice versa.

As for the HD2 differences - we don't yet know what they are (apart from what the website tells us - which, TBH, isn't much) so please refrain from comments such as "changes between the two HD2 models are also very small".
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Wrong. E.g. the screen is a different part and even has the connector cable located differently.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
Geez, the screen is not part of the internals as such. Like I said earlier on, it will/can be customized for each carrier/country/POI just like you could order your new vehicle with a cloth or leather interior. Taking a dozen different parts and putting them together does not require a factory retooling, changing the actual motherboard will.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I said the connector is at a different location! You can't put a screen from a Pola100 into a Pola200.

That means the motherboard must be different as well.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
Actually it doesn't, but there is obviously no talking to you so have a good day sir.
[HD2 General] lee1980:
interesting. According to this TMOB has tweaked it by its own and not HTC, but who cares... :-)
[HD2 General] spoogedemon:
yes...

:)
[HD2 General] lee1980:
hmmmm i'm wondering how tmob could do hardware based.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Nah, TMO only requested the change, of course HTC produced it.
[HD2 General] BigT:
Which translates to:

"Dear customer,

thank you for your question about your HTC. The HTC HD2 will be shipped with T-Mobile branding in the US. The device wasn´t modified by HTC but by T-Mobile. Currenty there is no further information if HTC will make the device with US specs avaiable in europe. Additionally, we don´t have information if WinMo7 will be released for your device, because it has not been announced by Microsoft officially. Please keep checking the HTC page."

Sorry for any mistakes. Btw. the support speaks a very baaaad german!
[HD2 General] donwhann:
im sooooooo pleased that this news of the US version doesnt bother me in the slightest.......

i had to laugh at the title of the thread though, "HTC is SHAFTING us", i mean come on......why are they?, things move on, everybody knows that right...?
[HD2 General] aceo07:
You guys can move to the US to get T-Mobile US version HD2. Then move back before you start complaining that the US isn't getting the HD3 at the same time as the rest of the world.. :p
[HD2 General] inuyasha1999:
I honestly don't understand why some of the people posting in this thread are so angry/upset over this. Do they not realize that the US is usually getting the lower model phones? The US is usually the one getting the short end of the stick while they get all of the higher end phones with better specs, but you don't hear all of this crying coming from us do you? No. I think it's about time we are getting something like this! As was also mentioned, we always get the phones later, too.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You're right.

And moreover, when Europe gets the HD3, people in the US probably will again have to wait months longer.

There will probably be not much more time difference between the HD3 and the US HD2 than between the US HD2 and the European HD2. But there will be a much greater difference in specs than just a small amount of memory.

If anyone had the right to cry and complain, it were the people in the US. But do they? No.

Makes me wonder whether Americans actually have more common sense than Europeans?
[HD2 General] donnaw:
All of this thrashing around reminds me of a bunch of 5 year-olds on the playground where one of them got a new toy and everyone else stamps their feet crying "I WANT IT, I WANT IT, IT'S NOT FAIR...."

It's a phone - a piece of technology! If and when you do ever have access to the "latest and greatest" it will never last. There is ALWAYS something else coming along. And usually pretty quickly.

Just be glad you have access to one - period. As was stated before, here in the US we NEVER get the new phones as early as you do - sometimes not ever. Our frequency setup pretty much requires a carrier to opt to sponsor the phone or we never get one with 3G capabilities. I actually envy you since you have such choices. I could go on and on crying because I use ATT - not Tmo. So even some of us who live in the states won't be able to get this unless we sacrifice 3g connectivity. That's why you see all of us importing the Aussie versions (for their 850 spectrum) and we count ourselves lucky even then.

So stop stamping your feet and grow up. If you like your phone be happy, if you don't - sell it to someone who will appreciate it.
[HD2 General] HushH:
This and the ROMARAM post are the best ones in this thread :D
[HD2 General] Wevenhuis:
I think the latest story on the fact apparantly all current HD2 phones are possibly equiped with "MOAR RAMAROM" and 1 GHz potential does strike me as odd. It would be like saying to the customer with a 3x optical zoom camera: "Well sir...actually...this camera can already do 5x optical zoom...but we decided to lock it down, because the customer does not need it right now." ???
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it is proved that it has hidden ram search the forum well
[HD2 General] D.O.C:
and 8mpx tweak, and, currently fm transmiter tweak development.... after all..this is what xda is about.
[HD2 General] byronlee:
bcoz HTC is a usual suspect

I think so many people are hoping on such "hidden potential" in HD2 is probably because they've been a victim (including myself) of HTC's big mess-up with the HTC Touch Cruise/Polaris. Those who'd been following the Polaris Forum know very well that the "missing" or wrong video driver by HTC has rendered the otherwise top video chip seriously underperform in the Polaris and resulted in crappy video replay quality (consider that the Touch Cruise was the top model at the time). We can never tell whether HTC did this "by negligence" or deliberately, but honestly I believe those who suspect the hidden thingy in HD2 have their reasons.
[HD2 General] Timmzy89:
Think about this... (Not suggesting insurance scam or anything of the sort ;) )

If you have taken insurance on this phone (Most of you would have i'd assume due to to cost of the handset to replace.

It is VERY unlikely that HTC will continue to manufacture our version... Surely our insurance on a phone with specs that is no longer going to be manufactured, will be replaced with the newer, upgraded version if un-repairable?

Just a suggestion to those who wana risk it...
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
lol... (I ani't a Trekkie, but I chukkled all the same!)
[HD2 General] ahdai:
It is true that HTC has the right to upgrade the specs, BUT this is just too soon!
[HD2 General] Spike15:
The Telstra HD2s come with a 16gig MicroSD card.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
Looking on the bright side:

Bill hasn't got the excuse to use of "there aint no phone capable so we aint releasing 7 yet"

and I got mine with a 12mth upgrade facility :D so I'll just grab the newer improved one with 4gb rom/64gb ssd next chrimbo....(for those of you without the upgrade option,no doubt xda dev's chefs will have it ported by then.. after ripping out the dross that will no doubt be in there bulking it up!) ;)
[HD2 General] WiZARD7:
HTC did almost the same with Elf-Elfin, only a few month, and Elfin get double rom/ram...
[HD2 General] Archer:
Not to mention the lack of a card reader, the lower number of USB ports and the fact that it's not as backwardly compatible (ie - NO PS2 games will play in it). But they're obviously all irrelevant and the slim is definitely better. Errr?
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
rub it in why dontcha? :(
[HD2 General] :
I want my 16GB SD card, everything else is justified in a sense of technology evolving. Another £50 or so for 16GB ontop of this phone just ain't cool I'm sure you'll agree.
[HD2 General] crazy talk:
agreed, what a bunch of babies.

Don't buy a smart phone if you cannot handle something better coming out the next day.

maybe i should E-mail Microsoft and demand a new Xbox 360 because they changed the motherboard and have made other changes to it since i bought mine.

It is true that MS has the right to upgrade the specs, BUT this is just too soon!

did you pay a minimum of £142 for your phone (it could very well be more then 200USD)? with a minimum £60 charge per month with a 2 year contract?

i would MUCH rather buy the MicroSD card myself in exchange for your plans and device costs.
[HD2 General] Spike15:
I was just pointing out that the 16gig MicroSD card was not exclusive to the new T-Mobile HD2.

I don't see why it even matters, sure, you have to spend a bit of extra cash to get your HD2 with 16gigs of MicroSD memory, but at least that's something you can upgrade.

If anything, you should be bellyaching about the RAM/ROM upgrade -- you can't fix that without getting a new handset.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
too too too soon i have not recived my hd2 yet
[HD2 General] firaX:
In fact it's 256mb ram, 512mb rom, if the rom is fast enough.
[HD2 General] Archer:
If they upgraded it within 3 months of the original release date when you purchased it immediately, and called it exactly the same thing, for exactly the same price then yes, I think you probably would.
[HD2 General] Impunitus:
Yes. It also has a WinMo 6.1 start icon. Think about it.

Cheers.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yep - it's minimum is 512MB ROM - recommended 1GB.
[HD2 General] Spike15:
Why does the ROM matter, other than the obvious requirement of the OS fitting onto the ROM?

Does WinMo page?
[HD2 General] lude219:
But the Tmobile USA HD2 wont be coming out until Q2 (late march-early april)...when the original HD2 comes out late october of last year, a good 5-6 months of waiting. Regardless of when the ****s hit the fan, you'd still have to wait for the release.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Again, aw bless.
[HD2 General] firaX:
MS would do good to not go "vista" on wm7: In other words, if the EU Hd2 cannot run wm7, then wm7 is overdone in terms of HW requirements. In any case, if the US version gets the upgrade the EU version will somehow be able to run cooked roms with WM7 as well! I doubt WM7 will fill up 1gb of space. Neither will it use the entire ram. We'll be able to run a few programs less in the background, that's about it.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
that was my feeble attempt at humour (pretty much like the 64gb ssd)

Agreed 100%...as this is a forum,how about someone with a few brain cells to spare drafts a standard letter of complaint to HTC and posts it here so that we can ALL send a copy of it to them? I'm sure most of us know of other places where it can be posted too and with concerted effort from plenty of owners maybe something will happen? Face it,what have we got to lose by trying other than the time it takes to send an e-mail?
[HD2 General] stemoneymonkey:
this is absolutely typical, i order my nice shiny new htc hd2 to replace my boring iphone on o2 last thursday, sim free for £277.75 they take my money, and when it doesn't arrive on friday i ring them back, "sorry but they are out of stock and none have been sent out to you, new stock is expected on monday(tommorrow) but it seems you have payed the wrong price" says the girl, "it should be £370" i'm a platinum customer and got 25% 0ff the price i said, anyway, today after ringing back once i'd seen this thread o2 say they have no knowledge of this hardware revision and if i cancel my order they won't honour my 25% discount because it shouldn't really apply to handsets, only accessories

i realy wanted wm7 too,

what to do lol
[HD2 General] p-slim:
this made me laugh also, this was perfect for this thread.
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
Candidate for Triple FacePalm

What planet are you from? It is very unlikely that HTC will be supplying T-Mobile's version to any other part of the world, and they are still producing the original Leo.

Suggesting fraud for "those who wana risk it" is also a really risky suggestion on your part.

Now, can we close this thread, before we get more stupid posts with words totally unrelated to the real world?
[HD2 General] WhyBe:
This thread reminds me of the "extra" 128MB that was supposed to be in some of the SE X1's :rolleyes:

Then the rumour turned into a "hidden" 128MB of graphics RAM...:eek::D

Many of the same arguments people made are in this thread. History repeats itself I see.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
please close tis thread