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[HD2 General] din0_22:
i've been using mine since friday and never registered it thru at&t since i was an iphone 2g user and since their network will never detect what phone im using now i would think it will benefit me i.e. my iphone 2g plan is $20 bucks that inckudes 200 text message and unlimited EDGE (which is medianet) and since the unbranded HD2 that i bought only supports edge thru at&t which realistically is the same as my iphone 2g plan, i didnt bother reporting it. To make it short, i just inserted my sim card from my iphone and HD2 setup everything and working like a charm!

now your quivk fix would be, calling att using your iphone and tell them you would want to use it again and they will revert everything back as it used to, after doing that go ahead and swap your sim back to HD2.
[HD2 General] lythe123:
I guess this is what I will do. I originally switched because i thought MEdianet incurred extra cost. :)

I wonder however since i have now registered my IMEI of the HD2 with AT&T that if i switch the plan back to the iphone and then put the sim back in the HD2, AT&T will see the IMEI and know i am using the HD2 again. Anyone know? :confused::(:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] the_jermz:
Hello all! I"m hoping someone can help me out here. Recently, I was given a free upgrade from the Sprint TP (Raphael) to the TP2 (Rhodium). While reloading my new phone with my previous roms, emus and cabs... I destroyed my dialer. KDialer skins is obviously not compatible with the TP2 and now my dialer is cut off... and not alligned (I have to hit 123 for 456 for example). I found Juggalo's TP2 skin and loaded that, but now I am missing the talk/end buttons, and slider for incoming calls (can still see my start page where that is supposed to be). How can I fix this with out doing a hard reset?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] slight22:
move the slider over to settings, then select all settings. Select system and then in there select "Clear Storage". This will erase the phone and take it back to the OS you got with the phone.

It' may not be the only way but it's probably the best way to get your phone dialer and all controls back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] the_jermz:
Thanks, but after searching for a couple hours I found the resource file names for the dialar .bpm's and deleted them. Installed a Rhodium Black Dialar and I'm all set.... (BTW, the point of me posting this question was to do this W/O a hard reset, thanks for trying... )
[Nexus One General] mgorman:
I was playing with the phone and I stumbled across something. This might be something that everyone knew about and I didn't. When you hold down the little dots that change screens, all 5 screens show up on the bottom as little cards and you can tap whichever one want to go to.
[Nexus One General] melterx12:
this is older than old.... but thanks anyway :)
[Nexus One General] mgorman:
lol. i figured as much. i knew someone had to have discovered this feature already.
[Nexus One General] kevinddavis:
I just found it yesterday, so don't feel bad. And I was very impressed.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
That's an oldie, but keep your fingers & eyes open for more...
[Nexus One General] zok-star:
im new to andriod! didnt know that.. thanks!!!
[Nexus One General] halfsight:
This and voice to text are my favorite features. I discover new **** everyday, so keep searching an sharing. Maybe this should be the Favorite features thread.

I love the live wallpapers, even though I only run them when I show it off, they are sooo cool.
[Nexus One General] elio:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5469747#post5469747
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] NewShockerGuy:
So this is the first time I am trying to use the wireless tether and it's not working at all.

I changed the ssid so that it's something that I can remember and be unique... I turn on wifi and mobile network... is that right?

Go back into the wireless tether program and push the tether button. It then takes me to the SU request screen and does nothing...

Normally when something needs root it pops up to allow access but it does nothing.. . Just wondering what am I doing wrong and why is this then turning off my wifi when I go back to check the widget it shows that the wifi is turned off?

Any help would be great.

Thanks,

-Nigel
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] wtphoto:
as far as it not working I wish I could help but I do know that it turns the WiFi "off" so that it can use the mobile network as your internet. It is using the WiFi radio to broadcast so that the comp can pick it up and connect.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] kalare:
Hi all,

I'm trying to unlock a HTC Magic Rogers I recently acquired but I've gone through 2 different vendors (ebay and website) and both report that the code is not found in the database. This is a refurb phone...is there anyone or any way that I can unlock this phone?

Any help would be great.

Thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] pegaz:
You will not probably find an unlock code for refurbished phone as they changed MOBO in it. As all those vendors (me as well) have an access only to HTC phones , not parts (new mother board with new imei etc is a PART). So I tell you the same what i say to my customers in this situation: only turbo sim, magic sim or whatever thay call it can baypass your simlock and make your phone usable.

They are pretty cheap and people say they are working fine. Personally i prefer permanent unlock not bypass devices but in your case I guess you have no choice.

What I'm saying is sth like this: http://allegro.pl/item846712767_bez_wycinania_unlock_sim_karta_turbo_sim.html
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ferraripassion:
When did they replace the phone?

Contact me in a few days with your IMEI. I will get a fresh stock of database, it will be there in that.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ?Glitch:
Ok, so tell me, I buy into a contract to purchase a phone. Signed, sealed, and delivered. Take MY phone home, install acbtaskman on it, discover device could perform better if a startup app, (above mentioned process and obfuscated startup procedure) is not using almost 6MB of RAM, along with a few other offenders, kill said task, and it farkin starts up again, ok, so it is a monitored process.

Does this mean that I can charge rent for undesired poor device performance due to uncontrollable loss of cpu cycles and RAM resulting in poor performance of a device that I think I own? :confused:

Am I making any sense to anyone? Or is there the off chance that AT&T's 6.5 ROM doesn't really suck?

?Glitch
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
I get that you seem upset but you're not being clear. Are you pissed off that Opera is auto-loading into memory?

If so, this is because of the Push Internet "feature" of our devices. It's ironic that this is one of the selling points because most people disable it to save memory.

There's a couple of cabs available to disable it. Search for "disable push internet".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ?Glitch:
Thank you, I was actually wondering what could be so important as to sacrafice 6MB of RAM in a seemingly monitored process. Funny thing is I don't even have any Push Internet items configured for download, curious in the logic that a TF3D tab would be bothered lauching the opera9.exe process with no work to do... Go figure... :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Strange

My Opera is not eating too much mb´s!

Have you considered to change the version?

Have a look on my sig

:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] epoh:
You may want to check out the e2 AT&T lite custome ROM. It's virtually identical to the AT&T rom, but without all the junk that you don't need. (Link is in my sig)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Funny thing is that this does not always fix it, I've tried and tried, does not help. I do not run TF3D, disabled push, etc, yet Opera randomly is still running.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
Disabling it via the GUI in TF3D/Sense or disabling TF3D/Sense altogether will not help.

You didn't search "disable push internet" as I suggested. If you did, you would have been linked to here. Just follow the instructions there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Installed the cab long ago, thanks.. :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?

why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.

and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing
[Nexus One General] BrooklynAvi:
Just because you see it listed in a task manager doesn't mean it's running. You should check your task manager's documentation for details.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.

btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful
[Nexus One General] ironcrotch:
Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.

This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.
[Nexus One General] BrooklynAvi:
It's called AutoStart but it won't prevent apps from showing up in task managers after startup.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
[Nexus One General] nmesisca:
no man, you reaaly need to chill.

you didnt have to post, you didnt have to read.

and definitely you dont have to be rude.

then your argument.. uninstall. yeah right, its not always possible if you're not rooted.

and im curious too. there doesnt seem to be a 'standard' when an app gets installed. sometimes they all get started at reboot, sometimes only some of them. I would be interested to know why as well.
[Nexus One General] halfsight:
Some of you guys are straight rude about this.

This drive me nutz too, the apps starting, so does the negativity on this forum.

# free before and after task killer: ;);)

# free
free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 349336 45732 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 349336 45732

# free
free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 259224 135844 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 259224 135844
#

uansari1

Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.
[Nexus One General] britoso:
It is annoying, but it wont matter so much once we get the full 512MB of RAM available for use.

Until then you can use "Startup Auditor" (unfortunately not free) to find and disable startup apps. It works about 90% of the time...some disabled(and "keep disabled") apps still manage to start anyway.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.

You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
[Nexus One General] halfsight:
And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.
[Nexus One General] nmesisca:
man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.

as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.

I totally understand that you want, and a few others, want to know why all this works the way it does. Again, this has all been covered ad nauseum in this forum, as well as the Dream, Magic, and Hero forums. The apps themselves have been written by the developers to automatically open. That's why when you start up any Android phone, some apps will be running. So again, one last time, this is normal behavior for Android.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?

i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.

if you can't help, leave.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
I don't think the Amazon app has a developer lol, well not that anyone can contact. Don't know for sure though, ~.~.

And I thought the Nexus one didn't close apps now because it has more free RAM, or something (I'm only 14 here, not yet very educated in this), unlike previous Android phones that had to conserve their resources in order to stay stable. Apps will not close until the phone reaches a limit in which it cannot handle caching the apps. I'm just repeating, but isn't this to answer to the question?

It has been said quite much, especially if I remember it.. (and if I'm correct, that is)
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Incorrect. Android, regardless of how much RAM it has, will keep applications in memory until an active process requires more memory than is available. This can be a new application being launched or an active application/service that needs more memory.

Freeing memory by killing applications is not likely to speed up the phone. You may get a slight boost in launch speed if memory is full to the point that applications need to be deallocated from memory but not otherwise.

To actually understand why I say this you need to understand a bit about how an android application really works. This is an over generalization but an android application is basically made up of 2 components Activities and Services. The principal activity for an application is what you would see in the "applications" tab. An activity that is not in the foreground is not using CPU. If an application wants to do any work when the activity is not in the foreground it needs to spawn a service. A service can continue to use CPU and potentially allocate more memory while the main activity is not in the foreground. Services would be listed in the "processes" tab of Advanced Task Manager.

So if you kill an "application" without killing any services associated with it then you in reality have not done much. Taking as an example if you kill the "Amazon MP3" application without also killing the "MP3 store" you have in actuality accomplished very little. The google IM application actually spawns multiple services "IM" and "Google Talk Service". I want to stress this. If an application that has not gone rogue is using CPU it is not likely to be the Activity but an underlying service. It gets a little more complicated since not all applications behave as they should but everything in the stock install is safe from this standpoint.

Now onto the second half, and if you are still reading at this point thanks. Any application can request permission to recieve the event of boot completion. Typically this is done to start some background service. So if an application other than the default set starts at bootup it is because you clicked ok to its permission to do so. You are sort of limited in what you can do about the default applications, about the only way I could think of to "prevent" start up would be to create an application to let it all start up then kill whichever apps you deem objectionable. At a guess that is how your start up application works. It might be possible to intercept the boot up complete broadcast but if you can I am not aware of how. A broadcast by definition is supposed to go to all broadcast receivers configured to listen for it. The default set of applications were chosen to start with deliberation and are unlikely to cause any problems. If you launch sufficient apps to necessitate their closing they will close and not cause problems.

The TLDR version. So many apps start at boot up because they asked to be, and in the case of any app you install, because you gave permission for them to start.
[Nexus One General] OrganizedFellow:
@JanetPanic

Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.

It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).

You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.

I hope everyone takes not.

This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.

Contribute. Participate. Discuss.
[Nexus One General] nmesisca:
+1 thanks Janet.

I knew the first part (which I tried to explain to uansari1 with no success), but I didnt know the details of the boot process.

very much appreciated!

N
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Are you joking? Everything that JanetPanic said is what I know to be true as well. I may not have stated it as articulately, but the first part especially, is what I was trying to get across in my posts!
[Nexus One General] OrganizedFellow:
10 characters
[Nexus One General] nmesisca:
no you didnt.

case closed.

bye.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Edit: Ignore me
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
thanks janet. much appreciated. particularly the actual taking of time to address the question. now, what i'm actually looking for are code calls (where in the code these calls are found, and what they look like so i can change them). each service should only be started once called, or at the least probably poll the service on interval. if there is a way to change those numbers, or addresses, i could eliminate services running when i don't actually need them to be.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
seems like mr law-man is the one that can't read.

he's agreeing with you, clown hat. you DIDN'T state it articulately.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
**** you're right. I'm feeling more argumentative than usual..at least I'm in the right field. Sorry guys..carry on. :-)
[Nexus One General] :
Alot of apps are interweaved with others. Amazon mp3 for example. Go into your media player, look through the list, and then click the album of the song that's playing, it'll do a "search" on mulitple locations, one of them being amazon mp3. Preloading the app beforehand allows the user to jump into it without too much wait.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
i figured as much. :/

wish i could remove that app w/o rooting the phone.

and, for other apps, wish i could open the code up and remove unnecessary service startups. again, would need root for that. darn it.

thanks for your help!
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
I can not be too specific but the most likely place to start is in the manifest. look for

<uses-permission android:name="android.permission.RECEIVE_BOOT_COMPLETED" />

and something that uses the android.intent.action.BOOT_COMPLETED intent.

The first is what gives authorization to be notified when boot is completed and the second is the hook (intent) that would normally be used to start something immediately post boot up.

Something a little odd is going on though. I got back my N1 this morning and booted it up, post bootup there were multiple applications I had not launched that were active. Checking one at random (Sodoku Premium) it does not have any permission to start during bootup. Sodoku does not start on boot on my G1, so there may be some differences in 2.1 that I am not aware of. When I get home I will do a logcat during bootup and see if I can find out what is starting these up.
[Nexus One General] timothydonohue:
you rock.

is it possible to change this without root access?
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
I'm not sure it would really be worth it. Even if the app's avoid auto-start at bootup, as can be seen by apps returning after you had just killed them via a task killer, they will again return to loaded and likely sleeping state waiting to be clicked on and accessed.

IMO; let the apps sit there, sleeping peacefully. When you need them, they'll load up faster than had they not been running at all, and drain no more battery either, Its win-win in my book.
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Probably not for the core apps. For other apps if you can get the apk you could probably extract and change, repackage, sign, then reinstall. I have never tried though. It is a lot of work and I am not convinced it is worth it but if you are dead set on doing so I would recommend starting with an application you installed by hand.