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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] marcoka:
Excuse, just wanted time to ask whether there is already info!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] DJGonzo:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

We need more RAMMM... App killers aren't cutting it :P

Our phones have 288 MB of RAM available to them but this kernel only enables 195MB so far.

If we were to be able to get that 288 Mb's we could run Rosie all day :D

Without killing any apps on startup I'm on the 80MB mark.

Does anyone get a jerky browsing experience tho? Opera 10 on WM is wayyy faster.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
the browsers suffer from redraw or somethn like dat since hardware3d not wrkn completely yet. i use either skyfire or dolphinHD browser. both wrk great.

you have to remember that Android OS operates differently from Windows mobile. heres a quik recap..lol Android,supposedly, regulates its own memory and RAM. meaning that Android will open apps and put them on standby. these are apps it tjinks u might wanna use. its not good to have sooo much free memory all the time in Android. Android has apps kinda of like on Pause, till u need them. if u keep killing the tasks, all Android does is pull them right back up if it thinks u gnna need them again. if u havent noticed. the apps that are on pause are said not to use cpu resources. so no need really to kill them. im havin to break the ol windows mobile habit myself also. its not about havin a ton of free ram. mayb on the initial startup, its good to kill off tasks. after that, let Android do its own thing regulating memory. if u leave Android alone, u will notice u get a lot less problems and FC from it. when u kill off tasks, the cpu recycles, and puts them back up. thats extra waste of cpu and can actually drain the battery faster since its constantly cycling apps since u killing them off. i read a great article from an Android developer himself explaining how the Android system operates. you device and battery will last a lot longer without killing off tasks all the time. Android has a built in heirarchy of apps running and automatically kills apps when extra memory needed. so no need to kill em off. android will do this on its own when needed. i have noticed since i stopped killing off tasks all the time, that my Android experience is much better. So basically in a nutshell, from the horses mouth, its said that task killers arent good for Android operating system. now if u become so bogged down n slow, then use the task killer to find the culprit. Another thing i realized , Android operates the same whether u have 40mb of free ram or if u have 100mb of free space. resources are used whether its full or not. it still takes same amount of energy for empty ram vs. full. so y not make the most outta ur Ram. you just have to get out the habit of treating Android like windows. it does a pretty good job of regulating mem. itself.

now the sense build different. not enuff ram to start off with to begin..lol so thats y its so much slower thqn AOSP build.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Aaron McCarthy:
I'm sure what you just posted was really really useful... but to be honest I don't think most people are going to be able to read it because of all the spelling mistakes and poor grammar... Good lord, I could only make it down about 3 lines before I felt like my brain was going to explode. Might want to consider editing it so its legible.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Atmosphere:
I read it... understood it fine... thanks dude... good info!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] DJGonzo:
Thanks for the suggestions. I actually know how the Android memory management works but if I leave things like the Voice Dialer and the Browser on, they suck RAM and CPU cycles and my phone lags. Of course, once in a while Android likes to open them up again, which is a tad annoying but I can deal with it.

Until browsing is perfect and there is at least sound on it, Android isn't good enough for me. Of course I will keep tinkering tho :D.

I really skimmed thru the whole thing a couple times. I couldn't read the whole thing at once cuz my eyes started to hurt so I feel your pain. Ive seen worse before though. TRY READING ALL IN CAPS AND READING HORRIBLE "TXT TLK". I, however, appreciate the reply from demandarin and it had great information, including suitable replacement for the current Android Browser that sucks on our phones. (demandarin, this isn't an attack. I was just relating to what to the post above. :D Thanks for your help man ;))
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

Lmfao. I got cha. I need to stop typing so fast on this tilt2 keyboard. Ill slow it down some, so EVERYONE(lol), can read and understand it. No hard feelings. Just trying to help the others out. Ill make sure they can read it..lmao. I guess you probaly type from ur computer, me, I'm typing from tilt 2 all day, everyday. Plus I be writing too much a lot of times to go back n edit. Especially on a mobile device, which I use 99% of my posts. I don't want the grammar police putting a warrant out for my arrest. Juss kidding. Its all good.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] spacegravity4me:
hey, I know you guys put a lot of work into this and i think that's great but I know how it is and it takes time. I used to have a kaiser till it broke and android seems to be working really well on it now. I don't know how similar the tilt 2 is to the original tilt but is there any way we could use some of what works android wise on the tile on the the tilt 2? Maybe it might speed things up or something? I'm jonesing for some new stuff. Just wondering. Keep up the awesome work. Later.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Aaron McCarthy:
2 new rootfs files are up... before I dive in has anyone else updated to them? If so what improvments are there? I dont really even know what that file does in peticular I just put on what I'm told in order to make the phone work right :P

rootfs-20100613-e835833.zip

and

rootfs-20100613-637e33a.zip

can be downloaded here

latest rootfs
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] gehzumteufel:
If you just use that site, it is easy to find out. The commit log tells ya.

rootfs-20100613-e835833.zip:

Renaming nordic keymap to 'physkeyboard=nordic_raph'. As 'raph_nordic'

was being detected as new raph layout.

rootfs-20100613-637e33a.zip:

Better fix for looping animation -- Load /bin into path before

/system/bin

(/system/bin contains less functional command line tools that cause

a number of problems -- chown, mkdir, cmp were all throwing errors)

(Thanks to sfhub at ppcgeeks for tracking this down)

The rootfs holds all the drivers and some other stuff. Not totally sure what exactly though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
I'm new to Android & installed this version on my Tilt2 two days ago. For the most part, I like Android better than WinMo. So, after two days, here's my impression.

1) There are still apps I use that haven't been ported to Android yet or the Android equivalent is missing some features I like in the WinMo app. But there's enough in Android that I'd probably run Android most of the time, if this were the only issue.

2) No audio in this distro makes it "difficult" to be a one device person. :rolleyes:

3) I use bluetooth constantly. Not just when I'm on the road. Till this one's fixed, I'll be running WionMo most of the day.

While the above issues are serious enough, the next one's a killer.

4) Battery issues!!! While it seems that these are attributed to battery life reporting misfunctioning in this Android distro, it's NOT all that! If I pull my phone off the charger at 100% charge, switch to XDA-Android for half an hour, slightly active use gets the message that I need to put the phone on the charger. After a soft reset, WinMo is showing the phone's battery is depleted by 25%. In WinMo, more activity takes 2-3 hours to do that. There's more than battery life reporting issues. It's sucking battery life faster than it ought to.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilchicano:
@ kraski: Just remember it also depends on how much you use android, because if you just let it be and sleep till you need it im pretty sure you can get some good life out of it.

but if you use it like me and KILL the crap out of it with apps and games then it would drain quicker, but i mainly use android for games since they got better ones than WM and i play for about 2 hours max and the battery drops about 30-40%

but either way its better to have options than just WM cause at first i thought android was total crap untill i gave it the chance i surely would use it as a main OS but ofcourse the issues are stopping me but thats no problem to me cause i still like WM. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
Don't misunderstand me. I like Android. My favorite WM PIM (Pocket Informant) is beta testing an Android version, The same company sells a secure wallet app that works on multiple phone platforms, PC & (for the moment) has a viewer for Android. I can wait for audio support, less so for BT support. But, having seen a number of responses blaming battery life reporting for the battery issues. I wanted someone to be clear that it's not just battery life reporting errors. It's difficult to solve a problem when you're fixing the wrong thing. :p There are, indeed, battery life reporting errors. But there's more than that.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] rushwal:
Just wanted to put in a quick thanks for developing this. Downloaded Android this weekend, and am loving it. I can't wait til AT&T gets some (more) Android phones and/or I can install Android permanantly on my Tilt2.

Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilchicano:
sounds cool, but things will come when they come and what order they come in is something devs only know. but yeah there is alot of people complaining on battery life but it just depends on what they do or what apps they are running. im not saying its you but some people just walking in here thinking its gonna work perfectly like WM would with everything working but they just gotta remember that is a work in progress, errors are bound to come with it.

either way im happy how it is right now, i sure would like everything working but i got the patience for it :). everyone needs something working but just because we want it doesnt make the devs rush into it, it takes alot to do what they do and i love the devs for going out of there time to do something good for all of us to enjoy.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Atmosphere:
Have you read the bit right up at the top of the thread where it says that the battery reading is inaccurate and that it is not in fact using too much battery...and that there is a battery "fix" or "workaround"?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] uub11:
Hey I was just wondering, im a noob at all this so be gentle but why is it that the Rapheal version has sound working yet our version doesn't? Isn't it essentially the same kind of device and the same android package we are installing? Just was wondering!!! Great work to developers!!! trust me this isn't a complaint just a uneducated question.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
ill answer this b4 u get creamed...lmao j/k i am guessing that the hardware specs arent exactly the same. yes, i believe its using the same build but the internals of the TP2/Tilt 2 are completely different than Rapheal. Hopefully sound will come soon. Ive got a feeling the hardware3d gonna be working soon. Once developers get essential functions workn, then they gonna tackle sound. Along with bluetooth and cam. Hopefully ;) this is still a great build even w/out sound. mostly everything workn except sound, cam, bluetooth, and complete hardware3d support. Voice works, data works, internet works, wifi works, the phone can still vibrate to alert u of incoming calls, txts, mail, or whatever.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
I did. But, if I go from 100% right off the charger, usage causes the red warning light to come on in a little over a half hour, that's a battery life reporting error. Immediately reset the phone, boot into WM 6.5, WM reports a 25% battery drain. That's not the distro's inaccuracy making the report.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] uub11:
ooohhhh ok i got ya i kinda figured so much but just had to ask to make sure, i really do like the build that's out now its just that i'm honestly liking it more than windows and at work i leave my phone down alot so when i come back and i got a ton of messages "why aren't you answering me" it becomes a pain. Other than that i could live with out the other stuff for awhile longer.

:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
there are ways to extend battery life on this build, even at its current condition. Like setting brightness down, cutting off haptic feedback, vibration when buttons are pressed, cut off wifi and gps if u not using them, cut back the frequency of background apps or widgets being updated, and making sure no apps are running when phone is in sleep mode. That is just for starters. ;) i see what you are saying. With my overclock, i get about 6-8hrs of battery life on Android. Thats with very very heavy usuage. So i do not see how people are getting less battery life with a non overclocked build. :confused: Once the hardware3d/opengles gets optimized, then we will probably see even better battery life. At the moment the cpu has to work harder than it should to run this build. Especially since stuff is being software rendered.

Also, if you are constantly killing apps in Android, that will definitely drain the battery cause its causing the cpu to keep cycling apps and work harder.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] moto2000:
I understand your other complaints, but I actually dont experience battery draining that fast at ALL. with all the latest cabs/rootifs/modules/zimage
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mattgrantlackey:
im not sure if this is the right place to ask this... but i can NOT get any of this to work. i have downloaded every available cab/.rar file for android... to no avail. it says the installation was unsucessful. wtf? i have a verizon touch pro 2 (world edition i guess...?) with wm6.5 stock rom. sim unlocked by verizon 2day =). can someone please help? im clueless
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] bmbelland:
Install to SD card.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
OK. Maybe that's my issue. It's only been on my phone for two days, fixed a couple of settings per various sites related to this build, but haven't updated anything yet. It'd be nice if it were that simple. :) Then we could all concentrate on BT & audio <he says, ducking rapidly>. :p Anyway, if that fixes it, I'll report that for future reference, so others will know.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mattgrantlackey:
how do i go about doing that? its downloaded to my sd card, and as soon as i click on it to install it says "installation was unsucessful". it doesnt give me the option to download it to the sd card..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
try soft reseting and installing it. do u have it checked off in windows to allow u to install untrusted cabs/apps/3rd party? that may be ur culprit. the cab install is the easiest. remember the cab has to be on the root /storage card. not in a folder in storage for ex. /storage card/programs. that wont wrk, has to be in the root. i guess u cant even get that far yet. you cant even get the cab to install. someone else should chime in with some more info for ya. did u check out the FAQ section on the new Android Project page? your answer probably in there ;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
Download it to your PC, then copy/move it to your sd card. Most likely, you got a bad (incomplete) download. I had the same thing happen. Both files showed the same file size, but the first wouldn't install, the second one would.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
Well, that didn't go as planned! :confused: The update progress bar gets about 2/3 when a message box pops up that says updating is complete. But the system can't find zimage & halts, even after a reset. Any suggestions?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mattgrantlackey:
i have it on the root of my sd card.. (saved it to no folder). and i have tons of other apps that it asks me if i want to install becuase it is not signed by a trusted (somethin).. so i dont believe its that either. have no clue honestly. and i have tried soft resets after download, with every .cab that is offered. none work
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

Do the updates one at a time. I heard of that happening if u got all 3 checked off. Sometimes it cuts the update short. So try updating each file 1 at a time. After updates done, b4 u boot up android, go into ur andboot folder and double check to make sure u got the new files. Check the date/time stamp details.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] kraski:
It did work. I just needed to be a little more patient. :o After the message box, the system seems to install files & update settings. The progress bar does complete.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] throwback1718:
umm I am using the latest build of this, but my data connection is always connected.

In the sense version, If I held down the end key or went to the settings I saw a option to disable the data connection..

so my question is, is there a way to disable data connection on this latest build?

It sucks batt life down.

Thanks in advance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilchicano:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

To anyone using overclocking on there phone, how long does it take to boot into android because everytime I try it out I keep getting stuck in the nexus boot and I leave it there for about 10 minutes and it still keeps on looping.

When I switch back to my original startup then it takes like 3minutes tops to boot into android.

And I got my startup from the "master" of overclocking demandarin, lol so if your gonna say its my startup then his would be wrong too. Btw I did set it for my keyboard (rhod210) but I don't think that is what would cause it to go wrong.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

Airplane mode. ;-) srry, I'm watching last comic standing..lmao hopefully someone chime in soon to help you.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] mattgrantlackey:
i would agree, but by me downloading and tryin EVERY SINGLE ONE OF EM it kinda eliminates the possibility of that being the issue. im gunna try moving it to my sd card from the computer, as i have been just using my phone's web browser to download the files. (that could be the problem idk)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Tommzs:
Typing numbers

I am sorry if this is double post, but I cloudnt find it anywhere. I am new to Android on my HTC TP2, I downloaded the lastest version. Everything what should be working is working fine, but I have 2 problems:

1. Can I somehow copy my contacts from simcard to android contact book?

2. How to type numbers? I just dont know.. i found out on pin insertion, but that is not working anymore. So..how to?:)

Thanks4responds
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilchicano:
What I would suggest is to format your sd card just so you have a fresh start on it, then I would recommend downloading the .rar build from your pc.unpack it on your pc and then copy the contents of it to the root of your sd card then launch the program from your phone and hope it works.

But downloading the files from your phone isn't the problem since I do it from my phone since the beginning.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilchicano:
1. Go to the contacts and click the home button, then go to Import/Export, then click on Import from Sim, then click the home button one more time and then click on Import all and your done.

2. I got no idea what you mean by that, but if you mean the numbers just for regular use then just open your keyboard and use the numbers from there? Maybe you don't got the right keyboard set for your version of the TP2?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

What you talkin bout willis..lol. I have no issues on booting up, so it isn't the startup txt. Try deleting ur data img. And reboot again into Android. I actually went back to stock speeds for today. To see if the fuss about bad battery life is true. I've been booted into android for a lil over 4 hrs and have 50% battery life left. This is with moderate to heavy android usuage. This made me realize how much I missed being able to put the phone to sleep. This is just a personal test trial.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

I spoke too soon..lol. the battery meter is fluctuating like a mofo now. It dropped to the teens, then up to 20's, then 38%, now back up to 42%. It was literally increasing as I typed. Still decent battery life considering how much I'm constantly using the phone.

Thanx for the new title, "Master of Overclocking". Lmao. That was a good one.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] lilchicano:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

Lol. Well I don't think its the data.img but ill give it a shot and hope it is cause I missed overclocking, the last time I did was in march, lol.

Btw if you did actually take my little challenge then your doing a good job so far.

But since I've had my android normal with no overclock for ssome time I can personally say that with my usage of it doesn't drain my battery that bad, just notice about 20-30% out of 2 hours of moderate/heavy usage

Edit: my battery meter doesn't go crazy like that, the most it does is just go up or down by 5% and its not that often. My phone just refreshed itself randomly and said I had 5% left so I just hooked up my phone to a charge just in case it was telling the truth, lol.

But I think I shall copyright that master of overclocking title and charge you 1 million dollars for the use of it. Muahahahaha, lol jk

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] demandarin:
Re: [CAB] GSM&CDMA Project Android Port and Startup Utility [06/01] NEW BUILD ADDED!

Lilchicano, I can boot Android up, go take a leak, come back, I'm good to go. ;-) my bootups are very fast. Ill say 1-2minutes. 3 tops. I never get hung on intial boot. Only on rare occasions where I installed something that doesn't agree with Android too well, it'll take longer booting. I had one time where it took forever. I took off battery cover and was about to soft reset then it started up. Figures..lol

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