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[HD2 General] bulanula:
I just feel like I have been blatantly SCAMMED by a Nigerian ( no offence meant ) 419 guy.

First, they released the Nexus One with full 512 RAM then this. I am never going to buy from HTC ever again and never a device with capacitive screen. So difficult to type with !

Should've just bought a resistive Chinese clone with 256 RAM from eBay for 100 quid instead of getting this piece of bollocks for 500 quid !!!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i think you didnot under stand my comment the original post says that every one with the old hd2 can replase it with the new for free i think it is fake that is what i said
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Brilliant, I leave the house for 6 hours and I come back to 19 pages of people declaring as fact things no one knows anything about for sure.

So, here's my take it.

'Why' - Well, to open up an even bigger gap between the HD2 and the next best phone.

'How can they do it', well, they probably hit a bulk purchasing price per unit limit so the chips became cheaper, so they can build a better phone for the same price

AND/OR

T Mob US asked/paid them to create a better phone to make it even more appealing in order to get more sales.

'Win7' - No one knows anything about what win7 will and wont work on, other than the one spec release, which the current HD2 already meets, yet half the posters here have already decided that win7 will work on the new one and not on the old one.

'More Ram makes a better faster experience' - No it doesn't, if you have 200meg and only use 150 at any one time, then that will be just the same as having 900 meg and still only using 150. So long as the Ram isn't maxed, then no difference.

'Bigger Rom' - I bet it is purely about the price per chip. I'd bet my mortgage that they are getting the new chips for the same price as the old ones.

'16Gig SD card and I only got a 2gig' - read the threads, several posters got 16gig cards, with their 'old' HD2's already, some didn't GET a card.

'I'm writing to HTC' - Cool, more power to you, it will give the email desk jockeys something to laugh at.

You go into a shop, buy a box of washing powder, then a week later, before you have finished using the old box, they sell a bigger box for the same price, do you get an upgrade? No, you get laughed out of the shop.

I can understand the frustration, but c'mon, be serious and grow up, the current HD2 was specified and a cost per unit to build calculated ages ago, lets say 9 months for the working prototype (probably more, but hey its theory), add on 3 to 4 months for the expected Tmo US release, and that's a year difference. Things change a LOT in a year in electronics AND manufacturing, price wise.

They're a mutinational, they aren't gonna say, 'oh, don't buy this, wait 3 months and you'll get a better one', it's a business, show me a company that would pass up sales because there will be a better product later, and i'll show you a company with no future. Would you all be OK with it if they added an x to the end of the name? HD2x, would that stop the childish whining?
[HD2 General] Anastomosys:
Hi People

Forget this information

March or April of 2009 i read Nvidia Tegra will be inside new smartphones last Q4 of 2009 and at this time no news :D

Joy present HTC HD2 and forget HD3

I love my HD2 and i will be with it 1 year, probably more.

My last ppc is a Eten X800, it is a really bad cancer compared with my HD2 with a-data 16gb Class 3.

My HD2 works fine and i will buy next ppc next 2012, probably HD5:D

Regards
[HD2 General] bulanula:
I don't even care for WM7 : it will probably just bring some eye candy and make WM from a perfectly capable platform into a toy more accessible to iPhone-loving little kids. But I do care for the fixed camera, 16 GB card and increased RAM and ROM.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Ok I bought the HD2 for 900$ then 2 weeks later, the released the Nexus which is almost 300$ cheaper then TADA ! MODDED HD2 after another 2 weeks for the same price. Now my used HD2 worth no more than 400$... Who would buy a beta version of a device... And don't tell me it's all the same, no not the same. I expected an HD3 next year, made my calculation and thought that the HD2 is the perfect device for the next year until the annoucement of what should be HD3 november 2010.

All what I understand from such a step is that THE HD2 SPECS WERE NOT SUFFICIENT PERFORMANCE WISE
[HD2 General] bulanula:
Exactly my opinion ! We were just beta testers for Highly Tactical Conmen ( HTC ) and we even PAID to be so. :eek:
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the question now is will this version hit the eu market or not (i hope it wouldnot
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Usually the manufacture drops down the price of the device and does not modify it.

They build a better phone for the same price for everyone, not the same price for 2 different specs based on LOCATION.

so T MOBILE paid HTC so that they get more sales? what kind of business is that ? If we DO NOT NEED THAT MUCH OF RAM why would HTC upgrade it? think about it, HTC is a high profit company and they could have kept the same amount of RAM with same price to make even more money.
[HD2 General] amf123:
I can say without any shadow of doubt that by the time WM7 comes around my HD2 will be GONE anyway.
[HD2 General] spastik:
I love my HD2 but this was the last device I bought from those greedy bastards.

Never again.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
mee to............
[HD2 General] bulanula:
I'm not even going to reconsider WM. In the past I had a LOOX n560. The platform was pretty cool. You could hack it and properly browse websites with its RESISTIVE screen. Show me doing that on the HD2 ; every time I try to click a link I have to zoom in and even after zooming in I still have problems clicking on links. It is really simple : capacitive is really nice BUT it is not accurate at all because a finger is inaccurate and obstructs the screen. It is a locked platform that is slowly dying and crawling to its end. Android is too immature and little applications while iPhone is capacitive. Maemo is a much better alternative to this closed-source Micro$oft approach to a mobile platform. Until they make that capacitive as well. ANYONE WANT TO TRADE HD2 FOR A N900 ? :D
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Again an interesting question.. shouldn't such a step affect HD2 sales in EU/ASIA/MEA ?

Unless HTC is planning to release it also there which is even worse!
[HD2 General] liamR:
I second that...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it will affect badly as no one would buy an old hd2 and they will be wating for the new one which will not be released in eu market
[HD2 General] bulanula:
They will indeed release an Asian / European version with these specifications, as this will hurt the sale of their original HD2. After hearing this, nobody will buy the original HD2, even if the new HD2 does not support their 3G band. Instead, they will look towards a device whose hardware versions do not drastically change over 2 months. I myself would never consider buying the original HD2 when the Americans have the WM7-capable / future-proof HD2. NEVER ! Then will we be truly, royally SCAMMED.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i don't think they will release it in the eu market how would they announce it hd2 # :mad: iam very angry
[HD2 General] bulanula:
Indeed, smart point : THEY WILL NOT ANNOUNCE IT and just silently roll out the better HD2 version with the new flash chips ( bigger capacity, better price ) and the average Joe will not even notice. Why would they keep developing two versions of hardware when one is newer and cheaper to make for more performance and the older one is same price but less performance ? It is like saying Seagate will continue to produce 1 TB harddrives when they can easily make 2TB harddrives for the same $$$, thus attracting technically-inclined buyers who want the superior density in the 2 TB chips.
[HD2 General] alexsql:
Frankly

this thread has turned into comedy.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
They most likely won't redo it again. It costs money to change production. The US model needed hardware changes (new radio) and so they added some memory (for whatever reasons). It will also say 'T-Mobile' on it and have colored buttons. :p

The US HD2 (or any HD2) is NOT 'officially' going to get the WM7. Nor will the US HD2 be future-proof. If they're lucky, it'll in top 5 phone until the end of the year.
[HD2 General] bulanula:
Indeed, we need to complain to the EU about HTC or at least create some bad publicity for HTC. They did not even give us the proper drivers ! I say boycott any HTC products / accessories in the future to show we are not their fools and that their scheme to make some quick $$$ off us poor beta testers will not deliver in the future. About the driver issue, I myself got fooled and thought that they did make drivers for the HD2 to prevent any bad publicity like in the Kaiser days. I was WRONG, again, about HTC.
[HD2 General] Diamantes:
absolutely agree

+1 definitely!
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Amen to that. Well said
[HD2 General] bulanula:
How funny that the people who say it is NOT A BIG DEAL probably never bought it and most certainly did not shell out 500 pounds like me to get it off-contract. :(

Technology does advance but it is not like Intel releases the Q6600 today with 2MB cache then it releases the Q6600 with 4MB cache in the US just after 2 months. If they do get 4MB cache / new technology they always release it in a NEW PRODUCT and at a later date to allow their Q6600 some time for fame and to sell. HTC just shot themselves in the foot in Europe and Asia when it comes to selling the olden HD2. But considering the average Joe cannot care less about his phone's RAM they will do just fine.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
i bought it off contract for 600 €. and i don't care :) i buy a phone because of it's features. what does the tmo hd2 offer me more than the original one? more ROM? for what, there are barely apps in the marketstore anyways.

how funny is that? ;)
[HD2 General] bulanula:
"i don't care"

well I congratulate you for being quite rich

"what does the tmo hd2 offer me more than the original one?"

nothing, except fixed camera, neatly painted buttons, 16gb free card, more ram, more rom,futureproofing and WM7 compatibility.

HTC already shafted us with the much superior + cheaper Nexus One. Way to go HTC ! We have now be DOUBLE SHAFTED. I like how that sounds ANYONE WANT TO GET A HD2 FOR A N900. any iphone fanboys hating the resistive on n900 ? hd2 has lovely capacitive. please trade :)
[HD2 General] Operationmob:
So is there any chance that the ATT version will have this new spec as well as T Mobile? I was considering upgrading my EU handset for the Telstra 850mhz, but I'll hold off if I can get a 850mhz radio with double the rom capacity and more ram.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
And you forgot, Incompatible 3G bands

Is there any other country that uses T-Mobile USA 3G Bands? 1700/2100 HSPA ?

The new release is targeted to: 1 Country and 1 Carrier, T-Mobile USA and 1 specific 3G Network

It is not like HTC is releasing another version of the UK/Asian version which operates on it's carriers. As well as, USA customers who are not on T-Mobile USA do not benefit from this release.

Monnie
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
TMO suppose to be EXCLUSIVE HD2 carrier in US, no ?
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Sorry,you missunderstand - my "amen to that" was to the entire post, not just to that portion. Bad editting by myself, but I didn't want to post the entire post.

I don't have the HD2, but was going to get one soon on contract. But now I shall wait, incase the upgraded one comes to Europe. Even if it's for the 16 gb card, as I will have to by one anyway, as a 2gb card with this "mulimedia" phone is a joke.

Can't help but feel that this new HD2 is what should have been released in the first place. Even "basic" nokias come with more memory...
[HD2 General] bulanula:
I don't want to start a flame war here, but, I use my HD2 solely as a PDA and I never use its 3G connection. They should not even have included a 3G radio. A pda is a pda not a phone. PDA + PHONE = bad as shown by poor iphone reception and how HD2 delivers messages.
[HD2 General] Operationmob:
I wasn't sure. I had heard that ATT would eventually get HD2 in 2010.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
No Flame war

You chose to use a product marketed as a "Smartphone" as a PDA. Your choices of using a device in a different manner than which the manufacturers' intended purpose have resulted in your feelings. Not something the manufacturer has done.

Analogies:

1) I should be upset at Chevrolet for making the ZR-1 Corvette with over 600 bhp in USA where the max speed on interstate highways is 75MPH but I get speeding tickets when going 200mph nor serves as a Cargo Truck?

2) I should be upset with Ibanez (the guitars in my signature) for buying a Electric Guitar marketed as an Electric Guitar but, it does not serve the function as an Acoustic Guitar nor Drums nor Piano?

HD2 was released in November 13,2009. HD2 in USA rumored at March/April 2010. That is not 2 months

Monnie
[HD2 General] bulanula:
What other options did I have for a decently-specced device in end of november ? I should have bought n900 but fell for the capacitive hype and thus dismissed it for having a resistive screen. STUPID ME ! Anybody want a HD2 for a N900 ?
[HD2 General] FIREONHIGH:
i am amazed that they are screwing Europe and Asia!! The way it is supposed to go is ,, screw the usa!!! i wiill never be an early adopter,,im sorry for you all,im in usa but im not going to tmobile for this,i just wish Australia would get the new and improved version so i can use on at&t:D,,hurry and sell on ebay or local websites before the words out!!!!gooodluck:)
[HD2 General] bulanula:
I would lose even more $$$ that way. You can now get a HD2 unlocked for 380 GBP on ebay. I paid 500 GBP for it ! No way I am losing 120 pounds. I am just going to hang onto it until it really becomes obsolete then get some dual-core goodness in a couple of years.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
There are many proprietary PDA devices marketed as PDA's, not "Smartphones". Especially if you are not looking for a Phone.

The Nokia n900 is marketed as a Mobile Phone, not a PDA.

What was so critical about November? I was ready to buy in November as well but, the current HD2 in November did not fit the needs I had, nor marketed as the needs I have, so I did not import a UK/Asian version. I waited. If I had bought, I would be responsible for my actions and decisions. No one held me down telling me to buy now.

No one was forced to buy the HD2, it was an elective decision they made.

Monnie
[HD2 General] SorWrath:
the thing that sadness me is that in a few days Apple will say something "awesome" for a new iphone 3GSRWEDFGS4 and this update from HTC to attract the US customers will do nothing to them :( And that will leave us in in the EU/ASIA wondering why they screw their customers so bad over here. I was VERY close to buy this phone and i was waiting to gather some more money. But hell no, i got very disappointed from HTC and their marketing.. I think the LG Apollo is worth the wait. At least in LG they don't change their hardware (i think so).
[HD2 General] FIREONHIGH:
yeah thats a good idea! im in the same boat,im using a omnia2, its from Singapore, so 3g is not in my neighborhood,i have 1900 but not 850!,but as i travel to other areas close by i get it on 1900band:) im waiting for the laptop replacement phone!! but for now im in love with the amoled and music player on this!:D
[HD2 General] manicotti:
March vs April

I thought that I had read Q1/Q2 for release of the T-Mobile US HD2. There's no way that HTC or T-Mobile would write that if they know that's it's really one or the other. That means a schedule that hopes for Q1, but allows some slippage into Q2, and that means April.

Having said that, my recollection about Q1/Q2 could be wrong. As I scanned the other messages, I saw one or two folks write Q1 or March. (They might have been you, but I wasn't checking names.)

The point of my first reply was that what HTC put on their web is not an upgrade two months after Europe got the HD2 -- it was a pre-announcement of an upgrade that will be real 4-6 months after Europe got its first HD2 shipments. If we split the difference, we're talking about enhancing a product that will be 5/12th of the way through its useful "flagship" life.

That's reasonably timing, except to those who feel that the price they paid included both a phone and 12 months of bragging rights.
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
Unfortunately Q2 usually means June at best, not April :)
[HD2 General] alexsql:
HTC CEO said Q1

Peter Chou, HTC CEO said, unequivocally, that US version is coming in Q1. http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-gets-official-hands-on-video-0659275/

T-Mobile has been accepting pre-registrations for a couple of weeks now at http://www.sticktogether.com/htchd2/

HTC released official specs http://www.htc.com/us/products/t-mobile-hd2?view=0-12&sort=0#tech-specs

Do you think they will have this going on for 3 months. The competition would eat them alive. Look back how long it took for HD, HD2, Nexus One, from official spec announcement to availability.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
And they still do have bragging rights because, the new HD2 USA release is not for/compatible with UK/Eur/Asian/Aus markets. This is why I do not understand all the hostility. Seems to be some sort of e-penis envy. And we all know, it is not how big it is, it is how you use it ;)

Monnie
[HD2 General] aceo07:
Just out of curiosity, how long was it? All this waiting is making me crazy.. :p
[HD2 General] alexsql:
It was matter of days

Nexus One was officially announced and available the same day.

HD2 started being shipped at certain markets within days of its specs being posted officially on HTC Web site.

It is the marketing rule, you cannot announce full specs and than have the market wait for it. It would be a marketing disaster. Rumors abound for a couple of months earlier and unofficial specs are leaked, but once it is official that is it. No need for someone else to steal your thunder, it is gone by itself if you don't deliver immediately.
[HD2 General] hnamanh:
Capacitive touchscreen with pinch-to-zoom and haptic capability

I saw that on the US spec site and the EURO spec site doesn't have that.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
:D Sony-Ericssion lives by different rules. Full specs were out before October 2009 and still saying now "you can get in 3 months" for the MW-600

Hopefully the HD2 USA and the MW-600 will appear about the same time. I think they will be a nice match together. The In Ear Monitors I want are "March bound" also.

I think manufacturers targeting USA are tactifully shooting for Tax Return Money in March

Monnie
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
The Euro one has those features too.

Compared to the Euro unit, the USA version slso gains two new features. The first being the "Have a nice day" microprocessor, and the second is a strong affinty for donuts.

;)
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
Or Tea and a Slice :D
[HD2 General] _X_:
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http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622964

Qilin is :

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7047
[HD2 General] cheetah2k:
Did anyone notice that the Telstra HD2 here in Australia was released with a 16gb MicroSD card also??

I wonder if it has the RAM/ROM upgrade that T-Mobile is getting?????

http://www.telstra.com.au/shop/Cons...=16103&parent_category_rn=16103&top_category=
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
No, it doesn't have the upgrade.
[HD2 General] p-slim:
finally, after shafting us for 5-6 months, the wait was worth the upgrade. i dont feel sorry for anybody.
[HD2 General] Alisha:
HTC = Amateurs...
[HD2 General] jimecm:
yup the wait is almost over for hd2, lovin the new specs :)
[HD2 General] Dr.8820:
this thread made me laugh...thanks! all of this anger over a cellphone...when better ones are around the corner! and for those hating the u.s...don't... only one carrier is getting this phone! the other 3 main u.s. carriers won't even get this phone lol!
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It's only natural that after 5 months, there are devices with better hardware...

There's absolutely no reason to complain for those who bought an HD2. There's always newer devices with better specs coming out. You can always wait, but then you'll never get anything.

Seriously, don't be idiots. Do you always complain when you buy something and half a year later, something better is released?
[HD2 General] -Vulture-:
I cant agree with you on that. If HTC would release the device with another design and a new name i would agree. But its the same HD2 we have in our hands here...so i think they fooled us, the whole big way.

I wouldnt mind this small difference in RAM and ROM, but the huge thing is, that the US HD2 will more likely get a Windows Mobile 7 update than the european one cause of the 1GB ROM. And that would really piss me off.

But lets wait and see...
[HD2 General] freyberry:
So just because the design and the name are the same, it's not okay?
[HD2 General] lude219:
Chassis 1 spec was released in early September. HD2 came out late October. You know damn well beforehand that the HD2 has the bare minimum (in terms of memory) to run WM7 and now you're all pissing up a storm because you're going on the assumption that it cant? Jesus ****ing Christ are you people stupid. How did they fool you again? Noone is forcing you to buy it and where in the damn world did they market the HD2 as a WM7 phone? NOWHERE. If you don't want to be like whiny *****es, sit back and wait until WM7 comes out and then go out and buy WM7 phones. Until then, use some damn common sense.

If you didn't care about WM7 then, and didn't care enough to read up on it, then this issue of memory upgrade shouldn't matter a damn thing to you. However, if you're those who bought the HD2 out of a whim that it will run WM7, knowing that the HD2 has just ENOUGH to run WM7, and are now pissed off at the TmobileUSA situation....you're a complete moron. Learn how technology works and learn how business works.
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
WTH man? Stop the name calling. You ain't greater than any of us.

Clearly you haven't read the whole thread to see all the opinions and extract the essence. We understand how technology works and we DON'T demand wm7 on our HD2, because it was never promised. The problem is in the ethics of the company. Read everything before posting.
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
I know the devs here will make WM7 fine for what will be a long in the tooth device anyway and android might possibly be here too running more than smoothly. What I do want is a free swap of my 2GB card to 16GB:mad:
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I agree...

Upgrading the same device specs makes me wonder if our HD2 is really capable of running smoothly...

All I got with the HD2 so far is nothing but troubles.. SMS,Screen,sluggish performace over time, pink issue... I think the new version will not suffer from all these..
[HD2 General] Archer:
Please reread the original post that you commented on IN FULL!

You (hopefully) will see why I was lol @ you for being serious when you said it's not real.
[HD2 General] lee1980:
Here my 5 cent.

I grant you all us guys the upgrade of RAM and ROM and don't feel cheated by HTC. I don't know what should i do with things I currently do not even need and cant't take any advantages from. I wouldn't even feel cheated if it would be announced to come in europe. I've a phone since months which is running like speedy Gonzalez and this is more than enough to me. it fulfills all my requirements and does a bunch more than I even need.

At some point everyone has to commit his/her decision in terms of purchasing something based on personal needs. Because there will be always new things comming out which are better than mine. Why should this care me when I'm happy with mine and enjoying it already since weeks / months / years ....

In terms of WM7 I think we should all sit back and watch what is gonna happen. ;-)

Cheers,

LEE