yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] Starfury:
Isn't he just on about the call timers? Could always reset them on the Kaiser and Hermes...
[HD2 General] hicks:
Really? My kaiser carried the call timers over past OS and radio ROM flashes.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
I believe he is - and to be honest I would love that option myself, or if not a second set of timers which can indeed be reset.
[HD2 General] Starfury:
I'll be honest I didn't ever try to reset them on the Kaiser when it went WM6.5, but I remember resetting them on both phone at least once...
[HD2 General] cakira:
Hi!

I did a diff between two backups of my registry because last week I started having problems with my bluetooth headset.

And by hasard, I found this registry folder:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Shell\CumulativeCallTimers\Line_0]

There are entries like OutgoingVoiceCurrentNumCalls, OutgoingVoicePhoneLifeTime and AllPhoneLifeTime and they increased from one backup to another.

I have no reason to touch them, but maybe you want to try or search a little more about those entries.

Edit: Weird! Somehow, the forum insert a space in the name of the registry folder, but the space is not here when I edit the post. Anyway, just ignore the space in the "cumulative" above.
[HD2 General] WM7User:
Anyone tested that? Would it work also on other devices?
[HD2 General] socket84:
What you mean whith Kaiser or Hermes?

For all, i don't thing is a reg key setting. It should be a radio hack... News or tests to do?

Thanks
[HD2 General] giacominos:
I think you can try with Mtty as this old post say http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=377389 , maybe you can ask in mtty thred :cool:
[HD2 General] socket84:
I did it man, but COTULLA HSPL doesn't have the rtask b command, so is impossible to use for reset the call timer. I've alo tryed to post in MTTY post, but nobody help me. I've tryed to contact COTULLA ecc.. though PM, but.... nothing....
[HD2 General] socket84:
No news? Thanks
[HD2 General] NTOP:
Hello

Does anyone know how this can be done via registry or cab file please

Thanks
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
deffinately not by reg or cab.

I'm not even sure it is all that legal in many countries, it is something you would need to directly access the phones systems to do.
[HD2 General] NTOP:
Any Expert who knows how this is done?

Before selling your phone, you can clear it

I know that you can do that on Nokia phones.

Thanks
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
it looks like nobody knows...you're just gonna have to admit when you sell it that it isn't a 'new' phone!!
[HD2 General] matthewf01:
I'd feel pretty cheated if I knew I was buying a phone that claimed '0 minutes' usage, but it turns out the previous owner reset it just to lie to me. Just...kinda dishonest.
[HD2 General] Ouzo:
Couldn't agree more. If the purpose is to deceive a buyer, it's bang out of order. How would any of us feel about buying a used car that had 50k wiped of the odometer....
[HD2 General] madbird:
hi, that maybe, but as far as i know there is always one set of timers you cant reset. so that techsupporter (i mean the real ones at the manufacter) can imagine what is realy going on with the device. its not only phones its most industial machines and stuff. sometimes such timers can be resetet but only with service tolols that normal user should not get there hands on.

regards mad
[HD2 General] thebomber:
what if i wanna reset it and give it as a gift to a friend

what if i wanna reset it and just use it as apersonal phone for me and manage my time

cause in one month i recived 45 hours

bull really

it makes me ill just to see that number on that new phone

really i wish someone can do it

whther its legal or not who cares who does it can deal with the responsiblity of reseting it
[HD2 General] thebomber:
did this post die or what
[HD2 General] bym007:
I dont know what happened of this, but it would be a nice option to have!

I remember in my previous phones (Universal and Touch Diamond for sure), the call timers were reset more than once during some ROM upgrade etc. But I can not remember what exactly I did to achieve that (my objective was changing ROM, not timers at that time!).

At the moment, I do not think its possible on HD2 for us mortals, but then who knows one day .. ?

Please update this thread, if someone cracks a way!

Caio
[HD2 General] lemonspeakers:
I remember flashing a ROM on my touch pro and noticed that my timers were reset as well. I was like.,.. Humm.. nice.

It was like I just got a brand new baby! Wooohoooo!

Can't remember the ROm tho.
[HD2 General] bugsykoosh:
i haven't tried it but ty these reg settings:

hklm/software/microsoft/shell/cumulativecalltimers/line_0

in that folder you'll see some relavant reg files. See if resetting them to 0 works
[HD2 General] cookiesowns:
Tried em and reset everything back to 0. Does not work.
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
i recently flashed a hd2 rom & radio and it was reset. i did use that radio that does task 29..
[HD2 General] bym007:
Duplicate post.

// PLEASE IGNORE!
[HD2 General] bym007:
3 Questions:

a. What ROM version did you flash?

b. What radio version did you flash?

c. What is task 29 ?
[HD2 General] jamieeeee:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=644781

there is a radio that comes along with the package i used that one :)

after i flashed that i flashed to the energyrom!

i hope this helps you :)
[HD2 General] ephestione:
Allow me to dissent... that's been an option in every single "vanilla" phone I owned, since the nokia 5110 and onward with several other Nokia's, and dualsim chinaphones. This is my first smartphone as I always preferred to have a separate, "decent" PDA to manage personal data, but this hd2 is way more decent than my previous ipaq.

Anyway, back on track, I got this phone used, it had 3hrs something one way, and 1hr something the other way, now it's reporting 8hrs/5hrs, but I know not all of that is mine.

I just want it to report MY values :p

Also, I could have a hundred perfectly legit/morally acceptable other reasons to do that... it's still *my* device :)

It's not a car's odometer afterall, and doesn't have the same purpose/significance...
[HD2 General] bym007:
I like your argument! lol
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
There's a reason why it SHOULD not be changeable. I'm not saying that it's impossible, but I'd be surprised if someone came up with a way to set it back to zero.

It's like the odometer in your car. They are all sealed now so that you can't roll it back. It would be fraud if you tried to sell a car with 100,000km, but you set the odometer back to 30,000km.

Same with the phone. It's a way for HTC, and others, to ensure that you don't try to give false information about how much the unit has been used.

It should not surprise you. It does NOT surprise me.
[HD2 General] PeterGuru:
"Whether it's legal or not who cares?" What? What?

Please make sure you tell me when you're coming to my country so that I know NEVER to buy anything from you.

Who cares?

(shaking head)
[HD2 General] Starfury:
You could quite easily use the phone everyday since it was released in November of 2009 and have call timers both on 0 if you didnt make or receive called and just used the data functionality and voip...

So I wouldn't class call timers as a useful indicator of how much the device had been used.
[HD2 General] bym007:
Hmm ... food for thought!

What you are saying is quite similar to the thought;

If we purchased a new car, and let it parked in a showroom for example, and just used it for demo of some sort!

Something like car-audio showroom demo cars, or concept cars! Now although these cars were being actively used, there was zero or next to negligle engine usage, so you are right to think that the odometer reading would be an incorrect one if such a car was purchased.

This would also be verified from the fact that the car seats and steering wheel etc etc would show a different sort of usage than the engine and wheels etc.

But, since these cases are rare, people do not seem to consider if the device could have be used in such a manner!
[HD2 General] bym007:
I happen to know of one company CEO, who uses a HD2 for VOIP using VLAN within office area (as a wireless VOIP and Data device), and uses his Nokia E51 when he is outside the office premises for calls using Vodafone.
[HD2 General] pawan.chajed:
hey guys...can u help me resettin my phones call duration to 00:00:00 hrs !!

i tried using hard n soft reset it did not work..!! can any i help me n give a solution for this..!! thanks !!
[HD2 General] vponomarev:
What is your legitimate reason for doing so?
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
This has been asked many times before, so next time do a proper search before posting. It's in no way possible to reset the time.
[HD2 General] monkeyboywa:
don't normally care to post on these types of request..but tired of seeing them.

first..why don't people just change the title of their thread to "how to rip off an unsuspecting buyer"

I've read the reasons you might "want" to get a cleared log...but it's exactly like people resetting the bulb life on a projector.

Plain and simple..it's a way to lie and say the phone has never been used "and opened only to check contents"
[HD2 General] m0nkm0nk:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=644781

Good luck :D
[HD2 General] :
really? I just assumed it was coz he wanted an easy way to ensure he did not go over his monthly call allowance. or at least that was why i checked this thread as that was what i was going to use it for?
[HD2 General] vponomarev:
Are you serious? Monthly call allowance. Yeah, right.
[HD2 General] FerretAD:
I think this feature on the HD2 is brilliant... Not only can I see how long i've used it for, but so can anyone else when it comes to sell it.

It pissed me off everytime I put a new ROM on my HTC Prophet and it reset the call time.
[HD2 General] monkeyboywa:
well..considering for most users are T mobile (whether or not EU or USA) you can:

By dialing these short codes on their handsets, customers can obtain balance, usage and messaging information.

1) Dialing #BAL# (#225#) and pressing send will get you your balance.

2) Dialing #MIN# (#646#) for minutes

3) Dialing #MSG# (#674#) for messages

For unlocked carriers, they have their own way to check.

so...um yah..call monitoring.

Hey...i have a 2ghz snap dragon 7" phone with 120gb SD card for sale if you believe the monitoring crap.
[HD2 General] stask1:
Didn't work (resetting counters to zero)

Tried all the above with the exception to updating to CleanEx ROM (with above radio) - no luck.

Anyone else can throw any ideas?
[HD2 General] ennx:
There is nothing wrong with resetting a lifetimer. Not everyone is doing it to try selling a new device on Howard Forums. I like a reset on a used phone so that I can accurately track my usage. There is nothing at all wrong with resetting a lifetimer. iPhone does it on every Restore. Not everyone is larcenous. Lifetimer reset is a good thing.
[HD2 General] ozkaya:
you can track your usage by a simple app called phone dashboard.
[HD2 General] ennx:
I like the feeling of a new phone. I don't want to have to look at another person's mileage. This is not a moral issue and it's being made that by certain posters here.
[HD2 General] bym007:
I find it strange to discuss moral and ethical issues over the life timer;

since MS does not like us to mess about with our firmware, did we stop ?
[HD2 General] ennx:
You are exactly right, and did we stop jailbreaking iPhones? Or rooting Androids?
[HD2 General] bym007:
Thats right;

Lets face it, at the end of the day, the phone call timer is not an indicator for anything trustable. To be honest, I would really not take a phone call timer in consideration, if I was buying a second hand phone.

There is far too much that can go wrong with a phone, which a call timer would not tell me anything of!

Thinking of it, I wonder, why there is no usage timer on washing machines, microwaves, kettles, etc. Machines which are far more likely to break down because of "over-use"!

Its just a stupid convention, that has been carried on without any thoughts really!
[HD2 General] ennx:
I agree with you. If Apple, the most protective and most proprietary of companies could care less, why should anyone?
[HD2 General] scv:
This topic is quite interesting. I'm not interested in resetting the overall call duration, but it makes me wonder where this informations is kept :confused:

Because after Task29 (many times), flashing custom ROMs (many times), changing RADIOs (many times) - the info is still there :confused:
[HD2 General] MalekoUK:
I like how it never gets wiped, must be hard coded into a ram chip or sommit??
[HD2 General] :
yes! Why would i lie?

I just went over my allowance for the second month running. Granted that was on texts not phone calls. But it would be nice knowing how to check simply. monkeyboywa just listed ways of doing it that i never knew existed. But why would it be so hard to believe that folks would want to keep track on their phone?

If you cannot tell if a phone has been 'clocked' without looking at the call logs then you deserve to buy a dud. Some people are devious and i can see how they may want to do it for this reason.

me personally? Nope, if i could remember to reset it every month i would do it purely to keep a tab on my allowance. I know a few people who do this on their non hd2 phones.
[HD2 General] scv:
Doesn't your operator have no means to check this info on their selfcare website or by calling automated systems? :confused:

Well anyway - the phone keeps this info after hard resets and reflashing everything I could think of (ROM, RADIO, SPL) - so I suppose it's not possible to reset the counter :)
[HD2 General] :
umm we are not talking about call logs, we are talking actually radio time ...

There are plenty of free apps that you can even set to alert you when you get to a certain amount , not sure they are really reliable, but the short codes are the easiest ...

Reseting these numbers equates to faking the odometer on a car you intend to sell ...

Now I could tell you I only want to reset it so I know how far I've driven each month but who would believe me ....
[HD2 General] leepriestenator:
Why does there have to be such a huge debate about this always? I've been seeing the same questions being asked and the same answers being given ever since I started out here at XDA years ago.

This is XDA, the place where people come to for answers. It doesn't matter what they are going to do with it. Dev's here are only interested in one thing... to make what can't be done possible.

None of us here should really bother with these silly questions. Besides every person over here that flashes a custom rom is toying with the legalites of IPR. For evey good thing that can be done there is always something bad that can be done with it as well. Think of the H-Bombs... BAD... but Nuclear Power Reactors for Power... not so bad.

Please stop with this incessant, un-ending cyle of nonsense and get back to the matter at hand.

@OP

Resetting the Lifetime Timer is currently not possible with the the HD2. Resetting the timers requires the use of rtask which is not supported by Cotulla's HSPL.
[HD2 General] :
well it was the call logs and precisely the outgoing call logs and if poss the o/g text messaging, monthly reset, which led me to read this particular thread.

@scv yes they do. I did not know that, this is my first ever phone, when i first entered this thread. I do now though.

@leepriestenator i cannot argue with your sentiment. You are correct the question was can it be done? The answer is no! Simple and as watcher64 said there are free apps that would fulfill my requirements, not as simple as a simple log on the phone but close enough. So thanks.
[HD2 General] scv:
WOW :eek: Nice phone to start with :D

First car Bugatti Veyron? :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] :
lmao, brother. No but that IS my dream car.

I always refused to get a phone but saw this one day and was blown away and so finally gave in.
[HD2 General] lainhunguyen:
I use HardSPL3 today for T-Mobile Leo and after doing that, call duration had reset to 00.00.00
[HD2 General] scv:
It seems to be random behavior - tried all that - didn't reset.

Don't know what of my actions caused this, but not trying to reset call time got me this... :(
[HD2 General] kronos1:
SO is any one find a solution for reset usage timers?
[HD2 General] xnifex:
I agree with others, the only reason to reset is to try to dupe someone in to thinking its a brand new phone. This is the way I check to see if I bought a new phone or whether my warranty replacement has ever been used.
[HD2 General] scv:
CHeck out mu last post http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7899031&postcount=73

I'm searching how to get REAL numbers (or reset) :confused:
[HD2 General] breakaway8:
if it comes from a warranty replacement, htc or your service provider would almost definitely have access to people to reset it. they will take that effort to avoid potential problems. my guess though.
[HD2 General] raysacr:
Finally an intelligent answer in this thread, after all the stupid and idiotic posts by so called moral police in here.

If you find it dishonest/illegal to reset the timer, then honestly, why are you on this forum? Why are you flashing your phone with hacking the SPL, installing custom ROM, booting/rooting Android, etc. Because I'm 100% sure that's considered illegal too by HTC and Windows, and your warranty would be voided.

People seriously need to get off their high horse and stop trying to be the moral police on internet forums. If you don't agree to what's being asked, and have nothing to contribute except to question the OP's morality then just move along and ignore the thread.
[HD2 General] xnifex:
we come here to xda to learn how to make our phone look/feel how we want it.

More than likely the OP is trying to reset the timers on the phone to sell it as brand new for a higher price which is misrepresentation of the product & NOT what xda is for.
[HD2 General] bym007:
I work in Consumer Electronics retail, and have been told very clearly by HTC and Microsoft that rooting/custom rom "WILL" void the warranty of a mobile.
[HD2 General] d12emma:
This is a kind of embarrassing coz here we have most talented people gather to make things that they want to feel comfortable in their own way. Whether the purpose of reselling or not, the question remains unanswered (well, not yet...)

The timer looks like placed other than the ROM (if it’s on the ROM, it should reset when flashing a custom ROM) so, applying the custom ROM doesn’t solve the problem. But I’ve read several posts that indicate flashing the custom ROM solved the problem.

Then we have a clue to where to look at mean if accidently custom ROM reset the timer mean the timer partially depends on a ROM and when we able to dig deep of the reported ROMs (well the one solved the problem), we be able to identify what portion significantly different than other ROMS and also, what are the other ROMs installed before flashing the ROM that solve the problem.

I think someone will be able to provide a better answer for this coz in computing, there’s always a way to get things work mean everything is possible..
[HD2 General] GulDucat:
Finally! Someone that has injected common sense into this thread! I was wondering if the thread should have been moved to a new topic called "Moral High Horses, Mine is Taller!".

Someone asked a simple technical question only to be ridiculed and deluged with questions as to why they asked it; why they need the answer; the morality of having the information; then supplanted by accusations of thievery and cheating. My God people! Just because a question is asked it does not mean the inquiring person is a thief or a cheat of any sort.

It is funny to see how all of these moral policemen can participate in a forum dedicated to the art of hacking someone elses intellectual property (ie: firmware and smartphones), yet they can assume all sorts of nefarious reasons why the question/topic was started.

Amazing! Truly amazing!
[HD2 General] rr5678:
Thank you!

Very soon, you'll see THESE in huge numbers:

I actually wanted to reset my call timer after buying a used T-Mobile Wing. I just wanted the feeling of a new phone. Is there a problem with that?
[HD2 General] GulDucat:
And you came to this conclusion how? Are all women in high heels and short skirts prostitutes? Are all Hispanics illegal aliens? Is every man with a lisp/speech impediment gay? Is every hacker a software pirate? Get my point?

You have made a generalization based on your personal viewpoint that such a question can only have one possible clandestine purpose. That being said, it would be just as rational to assume that you being a member of a forum that is dedicated to hacking smart phones and their exploitation of features makes you a pirate and a technology thief.

Surely the lawyers at HTC, Microsoft, and anyone in the chain of manufacturers affected would have a field day with you in court as you try and justify your reasons for hacking a phone with technology and firmware you do not own nor have a right to alter.

You see, people like us, who participate in forums as these, have zero grounds for making accusations as you have. Simply put, we live in glass houses, throwing rocks is not a good idea.

If someone cheats you, deal with it in whatever manner you deem appropriate, but to paint everyone with that same brush is very disingenuous and does not serve the broader community some of us expect this forum to be.

No flaming please, I am not interested in resetting my timer but I'll die trying to protect the right of anyone wanting to do so for whatever purpose because it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS!:D
[HD2 General] mon_money:
well you can chk these reg settings..

HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\shell\cumulativecalltimers\

and if you succeed then make a cab for it..
[HD2 General] H3ALY:
Maybe you guys could help me i'm assuming my timers have reset due to the use of android maybe someone could test my theory? Might help diagnose my problem.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=9953888#post9953888
[HD2 General] spamtrash:
yeah, I know even worse cheaters. Can you imagine: they are putting their phones into the shields, cases and another ridiculous protecting devices just for that to make fool next buyers that the phone was not used too intensively :rolleyes:

You should write to HCT that they must change the policy: any kind of the screen or phone case/protection should void the warranty, because the poor next user can be cheated and pay higher price.

btw. I hope you are hones, and e.g. while driving, you are putting your phone on the car's roof holder, because it travelled some miles, what should be visible on the phone's case/screen.

I didn't read bigger nonsense since couple of months...:D
[HD2 General] ramy911us:
BUMP this thread up
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] Simon_WM:
Hi Guys,

ATM im using tyhe XDA Exec (HTC Universal) but was thinking. IF i buy a Orbit 2 can i still use this forum for updates for WM6.5?

like i did for my Orbit 1 over 2 years ago?
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] mvenneker:
yes u can use this forum, there is a section for your phone xda echec also.

dont use the roms for the artemis but for the phone u have :)
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] Simon_WM:
So your saying i can use this forum for the XDA Orbit 2
[P3300, MDA Compact III General] mvenneker:
was i talking russian when i posted my last reply? :P

i said: yes u can use this forum, but do not use the artemis section for upgrades, there is a rom-section made for the echec..
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] FoxRacR17:
Hey everyone, just finished installing Ubuntu to my dell mini 10v netbook. I really like it so far but I have hit a problem that may be a potential deal breaker. Has anyone running Ubuntu 9.10 been able to tether their phone to their computer?. It does not seem to connect to my phone running this app for me. It sees the SSID, and i tell it to connect, and then I just get that circle thing for a couple of minutes then it gives up and connects to my main router if its in range.

Anyone have any ideas? I'm not sure if its Ubuntu or the app, it worked perfect with XP