yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] Archer:
I concur. There's a constructive thread about this issue. We don't need one that's purely for flaming.
[HD2 General] skoop99:
*SNORE*... Can we get back on topic? This is a forum about HTC Windows Mobiles devices, not Sony PS3's...
[HD2 General] Archer:
What the hell are you on about? That quote is from

55 pages ago!!!

Look how much stylising you made me use there :mad:

Edit:

I'm gonna request a mod to close this daft thread. There's constructive threads discussing the issues in here.
[HD2 General] skoop99:
Sorry, I was just reading through and was getting cheesed off by PAGES of useless comments forcing me to read 55 more pages... :-)
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
Guys,

This thread looks like its run its course so I will close it. As far as I can see all the main points in the original post seem to have been covered off several times.

If anyone thinks it needs to stay open and can give a good reason why then please let me know.

All the best,

WB
[HD2 General] Spike15:
And you were critiquing me for not providing helpful responses...

I agree with this.

If the HD2 (current version) doesn't have the hardware requirements to run Windows Mobile 7, who is Microsoft really marketing it to? I doubt even by the end of the year that all WM devices will have the hardware of the HD2...face it, the HD2 is the most luxurious of luxury phones.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Things like marketplace apps can only be installed in ROM, so if ROM is almost full with WM7, that would be quite an inconvenience. You need a lot of space left over after installing the OS for other stuff. :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yes, but only when the post deserves it. You obviously took that personally didn't you, since it was a completely unrelated thread. You shouldn't. I don't know you, but I have helped you before so maybe you should play nice and stop attacking me every time you disagree with me. :)
[HD2 General] Spike15:
Obviously.

That's why I said "requirement" -- I was referring only to getting the OS up-and-running.

I didn't take it personally, I just found it amusing that you made such a point out of calling me out for not providing a helpful answer, and then don't provide one yourself.

Also, you didn't quote my entire post -- the question about ROM space requirement was further refined by an inquiry as to whether or not WM uses virtual memory to page between RAM and ROM, which would necessitate main memory overhead...
[HD2 General] Archer:
I literally can't be bothered. Find someone else to play with - I'm here to chat & help, not fight.

Bye :)
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
currently....who's to say that wont change with winmo7? Surely by now enough folks have winged about that ,that ms might have taken notice..or am I just being naive in believing the windows 7 ads on the boob tube?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
If the HD2 is ever able to run WM7 it will represent the minimum spec capable of doing so. This was an important decision on Microsoft's part. It means that anyone who writes an application for WM7 can assume they have at least HD2-level hardware to run it on. This contrasts with the painful situation we have with WinMo apps now where some of them have to run on phones with QVGA screens and several-years-old CPUs with no GPU support. It means WM7 apps will actually be quite good and able to take proper advantage of the hardware.

This is the reason why MS plans not to retire WM6.5: sub-HD2 devices will run that.

The HD2 will actually be quite low spec by the time WM7 ships. At that point we'll be seeing next-generation Snapdragon devices - 1.3GHz dual-core processor, far more powerful GPU, and (according to many reports) screen resolutions of 720p or even higher. There's even talk of 1080p video playback via an HDMI port.
[HD2 General] Spike15:
I'm not "playing". You'd probably have an easier time getting along with me -- and perhaps other people -- if you didn't make such bold presumptions as to their motives.
[HD2 General] firaX:
Again, if the US version gets WM7, we WILL see WM7 roms for ALL versions on this forum. So don't panic. I doubt any of you signed up to use official t-mobile roms here, anyways, right..?
[HD2 General] Spike15:
I dunno, how are T-Mobile ROMs? ; )

They have to be better than Telstra ROMs...

-_-
[HD2 General] shu8i:
on the other side i don't think that on wm7 marketplace apps will be bounded to internal storage (correct me if wrong), so why so much ROM?
[HD2 General] Archer:
Okay - I'll do that then, and I apologise if I've mistakenly assumed you to be a trouble-maker. It's stemmed from you getting on someone's case the other day because he said something about carrier signals that you disagreed with. You just seemed harsh to him, so I've assumed that's who you are.

I'll wash that assumption away and start again. Sorry if I've offended you in any way.

Friends again :)
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Just out of curiosity, has anyone been able to run any speed tests on the flashROM on the T8585/T9193 to see if it actually meets the Chassis1 requirement? Not sure if that is even possible, but it would probably sooth some fears.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I get read speeds of 36MB/s for the ROM on my HD2, which seems pretty fast; but I don't know what the requirement is.
[HD2 General] Syphon Filter:
*wooooooooooooooosh!*

Huh? Who? Wha? What was that?

That was HTC pulling down our pants, bending us over and f*cking the early adopters in the ass.

WITHOUT LUBE!
[HD2 General] MasterTP:
5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size
[HD2 General] :
I would take the HD2, because even if we somehow don't get it in the UK (the revised HD2 that is) it would still be worth that discount because an upgraded device will only cost a bit more. Plus you'll find a WM7 when it's released without a doubt on this forum.

Splendid device, I still love mine. :)
[HD2 General] stemoneymonkey:
i have my fingers crossed that all hd2's all have the bigger rom/ram and its masked with software,
[HD2 General] Syphon Filter:
Some of the brains would found out by now. Also I think someone has done a tear-down and didn't report anything either.
[HD2 General] bshakil:
One of my friend is interested in buying my HD2 on my original price... i will definitely sell it to him ....

Are the GSM and HSPA bands same on both (US vs Rest of World) devices????
[HD2 General] :
From the coloured buttons, I would doubt it but hey who knows.

I paid £100 for it (another £100 ontop of that for bad credit? sake!) and £35 a month for 18 months.

I was under the impression the device was released in late November, and the T Mobile version was out now/coming weeks. If it's Q2 then that makes (HTC) sense. lolgetit :p
[HD2 General] conscept:
hmm.. Mine's from T-Mobile UK.. Doesn't seem very fair that they can update it after selling it so quick =(
[HD2 General] CanEpia:
So much arguing about WM7 in this and other threads. Who really cares? HTC is the biggest WM manufacturer and would have the most insight into the course of WM7 compared to ANYONE else on the planet outside MS.

Given this fact they still decided to develop and promote the Sense UI as their public image. When WM7 hits, they'll just slap Sense UI on that and no one will really know they difference. What CAN'T you do on the HD2 now that you expect will change on WM7? Isn't that the main selling point of WM is that it CAN do everything the other OS'es can't? Sure apps may be easier for developers to create in WM7, be smoother and prettier, but that will take time for the app market to develop.

I mean, slap Sense over WM6.1 and you can't really tell the difference between it an WM6.5 other than the honeycomb app launcher!
[HD2 General] ccristal:
I've sent the following message to HTC:

Hello.

I bought a HD2 just a few weeks ago, and I've been disappointed by the poor quality of the software coming with it. In just a few week's time I had to apply 5 patches, two of which never fixed the problem they were supposed to fix. I also reported several problems to HTC, for two of which I've not even received an aknowledge.

Now, the final touch is the publication of the specs for the US T-Mobile version of the HD2, with more ROM, more RAM and a 16GB microSD in the box, at the same price as I paid mine - not to consider all the implication this will have in terms of compatibilty with WM7.

Well... I feel as if I've been taken for a ride. Even worse, I feel used as an unaware beta tester for a large scale testing phase organised by some "smart" person at HTC. I can almost hear the words: "We're not good at doing testing, but a lot of people out there are. Let's give them a pre-production model and let them pay for it, fooling them into believing that it's the real one, so we can collect feedback for the final version and at the same time get paid for it.".

Quite honestly, I'm pissed. This is no way to treat customers.

Believe me, I will *not* buy my next phone from HTC, even if this means settling for something less advanced than what HTC claims.

Best regards.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
honestly it doesn't make sense to me. why should they sell a device and claim it is less "advanced"?
[HD2 General] mallman:
u got it right. i cant believe what i am reading from people u paid for what u knew was in the phone its all jealousy if u ask me tech changes and if u want to keep up u need to pay to do so
[HD2 General] Roy KW:
I can understand that when you are an T-Mobile US user, you'll be quite pissed off.

But as an European Hi/KPN User, I really don't care at all. This device is still marketleader and superior to every other phone out there.
[HD2 General] Fatherboard:
Welp, it seems that I have to put my unit for sell ASAP, before this ****ty move will spread worldwide. probably in April HTC will announce on a new version of the HD2, with 2 gigz of ROM and 12 Gigz of RAM (DDR 6), for a lower price tag - only for EUROPE.

Major disappointment.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
its not uncommon for manufacturers to do this...the yamaha FZR1000 exup was at one point sold with its engine restricted to 100bhp even though it was much more powerfull than that as many guys found out when they removed the bits restricting its performance....:D as to why,in the above case it was to comply with a "voluntary" limit on bhp but in the case of other stuff there could be all sorts of reasons (like maybe they didn't have the time they would have liked to get stable performance from their product running at its maximum capacity so they "throttle" it back a bit where its easier to get stuff working properly and then later on release a "fix" which restores full performance once they've figured out how to iron out any bugs)

:)
[HD2 General] mallman:
lol first of all they will laugh. second of all which of these new changes will make any of your problems go away?? the tmobile version will still be an htc phone that needs xda to perfect it ad all htc phones do. as soon as u buy something these days u should know an upgrade is in the pipeline but that foest mean htc has to reveal its roadmap to any of us. i personally feel they are doing their costomers a justice by listening to comaints and releasing some customer wanted changes. people complain when they do nothi.g and now u complain when they do something
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
T-Mobile US and T-Mobile UK have different 3G frequencies. (In fact, I don't think anybody else in the world uses the same 3G frequency as T-Mobile US - 1700MHz). Don't know about GSM off the top of my head.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
i was wondering if there is any carrier in the US with a UMTS band of the european hd2?
[HD2 General] :
I look at it like this, I'll keep my HD2 until an HD3 is announced and then review my options. Holding out till March-April time and then getting this slightly enhanced HD2 and then getting an HD3 at the end of the year? hmm think not!

I have noticed a lot of you guys change up your phones a lot, I've owned 3 phones over a year and I thought that was far too much. I plan to stick with my HD2 for atleast 12months!
[HD2 General] Fatherboard:
I bet HTC are counting on this thought.
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
Problem with this is, the fact that they announce it less then two months after the device was released.

+ 512MB ROM

+ 130MB RAM ( 448MB -> 578MB )

+ 16GB microSD vs the 2GB micro SD

+ Possible Fix on the Camera ( uch, even with the patch the pink is still there, just less visible ).

That's a big slap in the face off all the current HD2 owners ( inc myself ).

Its exactly the same crap that Apple did with the iPhone, by lowering the price by 200$, after only two months.

With the only difference, that HTC upgraded the hardware. So, by all accounts, the HTC "old" HD2, in the EU, will get a price drop to sell off the "old" stock. And eventually the "new" HD2 will be sold there also.

To be honest, looks like i'm going to fire off a mail to HTC about this one, as i'm not exactly happy about this situation.
[HD2 General] orel28:
French client, and I just send them an email, we'll see
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Why would an operator like T-mobile US ask or pay for HTC to modify the HD2 specs ?

And why would HTC do that?
[HD2 General] shu8i:
like the same from hero on sprint. htc did what sprint wanted.
[HD2 General] orel28:
be little to be more in competition with iphone
[HD2 General] :
Is there any evidence that T mobile asked HTC to do that? I would imagine HTC to think, "oh we can do this let's do that before releasing in US."

Makes an extremely tempting device that much more desirable.
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
Fired off a email to HTC:
[HD2 General] Fatherboard:
It's legitimate for a manufacturer to optimize the specifications (hence, release newer revisions of the hardware, which fix certain things), but this move is different. this move is about releasing

a newer (and more capable) product

, under the same branding, for the same money - in such a short period.

that's simply not fair, especially when most of the people bought this product with hope that it will officially support Windows Mobile 7. Now it looks like that Revision B will support winmo 7, whilst Revision A won't (if we put the cooked roms aside).
[HD2 General] Archer:
And you think that including swearing will make them listen more?? If I got an email at work with the word "****ed" in it then I'd immediately forward it to my boss so he could deal with it as a complaint, and I'd never respond to it (unless of course it was from a mate).
[HD2 General] jimecm:
sweet i cant wait to switch to tmobile for this beast :)
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
Those are quotes from other HTC owners around the web.

And lets be honest, i suspect that this will probably be one off the more "nice" emails that HTC will be getting.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I know they were quotes - I didn't think that you'd directly sworn at them. I still think it would have been prudent to at least mask the word, as they'll probably just bin that email.
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I guess these small upgrades make up for having to wait for the T-Mobile US version.. It probably won't be available for a couple more months.. Could be more expensive too.

I don't really care about the 16GB card. I could get it myself and probably a faster one than what's going to be included. Would have been awesome to get 1GB RAM instead.
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
They are grown people. And they can try to bin a mail, but from my experience with companies, its very hard for them to just ignore or remove a email, without answering to it.

Lets be honest, a lot off complaint mails end up using swear words in one way or another. And that's the last i'm going to say about the quotes. As its off-topic anyway ( and they are grown people, its not like they need a *bliep* to know a bad word was used ;) ).
[HD2 General] Archer:
Fair enough - you think what you think and I think what I think. I'm just speaking from experience, and I believe it does more harm than good to swear in emails.

Like you said - it's off-topic, so let's drop it.
[HD2 General] Syphon Filter:
Assuming it even makes it past their mail filters. If swear in an email to one of my mates I just get an automated response from his company's mail servers telling me that my mail has been filtered and i should resend it with the offending word(s) removed.

EDIT:

I will agree though, that I do feel like I've been ****ed.
[HD2 General] orel28:
me too.......I'm too excited the!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i strongly think that these updates will not be avaliable for eu i think t mobile paid to get this like sprint tp2 which has 3.5 mm audio jack and not avaliable for others
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I have sent an email to them asking for an explanation.

While i feel betrayed and kind of sad (seeing the wm7 perspective fading away), i don't expect a reasonable answer.

I'll post the answer as soon as i get it.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
The only thing on that list that would make me demand a free upgrade from my supplier would be if the US revision includes a fixed camera. The larger ROM/RAM and 16GB SDHC card are all 'fluff' which would be nice to have but no dealbreaker.

The camera on the other hand is actually defective in [almost] all current HD2's on the market and the only reason HTC later retracted their statement of it being a hardware fault is because it would cost them an arm and a leg to do a major recall.

In any case, should there be a HD2 released within the next 3 years I have the law on my side should I decide I wanted to exchange my current handset for the new and improved (or rather, fixed) version so I'm not too worried.

To those believing the current EU version actually having the same amount of ROM/RAM space which is simply 'hidden' for now; I don't think this is the case at all as upgrading to a US T-Mobile ROM would surely 'unlock' this storage space.
[HD2 General] gabbs:
please email them..

i will also send a complaint to watchdog..

it is not fair to ask people to pay so much money to be beta testers..
[HD2 General] firaX:
Due to the different UMTS band in the US i am pretty sure the US HD2 gets a new mainboard. This means the ram / rom upgrades might have just been introduced because HTC got a good deal on ram/rom chips, or something similar. As far as i know companies buy parts like that in bulk. Now if manufacturing for the US version has just started (or will start shortly) it might have been purely by chance that they got better prices on the RAM/ROM components. The EU version was manufactured starting Oct 2009. It's been a while.

What they def. should NOT do is add these upgrades to the EU versions. Now that would really piss people off. The US version being different is no big surprise. The initial EU PS3 was crippled compared to the JP and US PS3, as well. Companies sell products by market. The only reason we all complain now is that the internet makes such things so obvious. 10 years ago noone would have even noticed because America was "so far away". So let's not get upset, yet.
[HD2 General] ez2remember:
By the time WM7 is released many of you will not have the HD2 anyway... The HD3 will be so tempting you won't be able to deny your urges. :p :D

HD --> HD2 a year later --> HD3 a year later

By the time US HD2 is released... Shortly after HD3 is leaked/announced...

Swings and roundabouts
[HD2 General] :
If we get these updates and fixes and everything works as it was supposed to, I guess we earlier adopters will get on alright.
[HD2 General] SreePillai:
i agree, regardless of how '****ed' up you r feeling if you actually include that word in an official mail, it will end up in the bin...i know thats wht i would do if i got one of those.

is it safe to assume that there is no way us 'old' HD2 users will be able to get the WM7 upgrade?
[HD2 General] Archer:
Not at all mate. There have not actually been any "official" releases about WM7 requirements (I believe). As far as I know, they're all pink-sheets, which are not to be taken particularly seriously.

Come on - flame me for saying that. I know! :rolleyes:

Incidentally, I'm only going off what I've read, and none of us have read everything, so I do understand I may be wrong.
[HD2 General] Soulcarber:
Fingerprint Technology

sorry for interrupting thread, anyone knows if fingerprint reader or scanner has been developed for htc, wm5?
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
Probably not the official way. I'm afraid that it will run slow. As we know, all OSes from MS have minimum requirements and recommended requirements, and who here has been happy running Windows with minimum requirements? I bet none.
[HD2 General] gabbs:
ten years ago ?

ten years ago i would take a million years to read that on my dial up and would wonder why are you telling me not to fuss over my nokia 6210 being a different colour from the one i saw the guy at the supermarket with..lol
[HD2 General] aegidios2:
I'm not too worried about wm7 upgrade...

because thanks to this board I was able to run Windows mobile 6.5 with my old hima so ...

I'm pretty sure that there will be a solution (after all, we don't know if WM7 will not exist in "light" version, just wait...)

By the way is there an official wm 6.6 update planed for hd2 ?

tx
[HD2 General] Archer:
6.6, as it's now being called, is due out soon, but there's been no actual official statement as to whether we'll get it officially or not. Of course, we will get it, because we're xda users :)

I personally believe it will be release officially by HTC in a future ROM upgrade, but that's just me.
[HD2 General] SreePillai:
i cant remember the source (blasphemy..i know), but i did read about it somewhere, that we would be getting 6.6 either by late Q2 or early Q3..to be honest they also said that we can look fwd to getting WM7 by late Nov. this year.
[HD2 General] Archer:
First I heard of WM7, we were getting it late last year! lol
[HD2 General] :
I can't really think of a reason T-mobile would ask HTC to do that - especially as the current specs for the "old" HD2 were plenty for the current market. Everyone was pretty happy with the specs, and that counts for the reason most people bought their handsets.

However, HTC is the the largest producer of phones running on WM, and we have to take into account that MS relies on this company a lot to have significant sales, and therefore also influences the handsets that HTC produces. This being said, isn't it likely that the upgraded ROM+RAM is due to MS's demands instead? Perhaps, because WM7 has been kept under so many sheets so far, they've really got something else up their sleeve and don't want to alert the WM community about it?

Just throwing it out there. Let teh flaming begin.
[HD2 General] manicotti:
HTC owes us nothing

I bought my Touch HD in September and the HD2 came out in November, about a year after the Touch HD first shipped. A year is about all that a flagship phone can stay atop the heap. Now, the new and improved HD2 with more memory is announced in January and expected to start shipping in the U.S. in April -- 6 months after the original HD2.

This timing sounds lust like the "mid-cycle fresh" that most car companies do before going through the expense of designing a new car from the ground up. Does anyone complain to the car companies that customers are owed an upgrade because a refreshed model has a better looking front end or more low-end torque?

What the Europeans got was 6 months of being leaders in processing power (Snapdragon), display size (4.3") and touch sensitivity (capacitive). The Americans will get 6 months of leadership in memory capacity. Then the HD3 will come out in Europe and the cycle will begin again.

Remember, most people out there know far less about high-end phones than you do -- so there's still time to sell your device to them on ebay before they learn of the new model. That is, if you can live without your HD2 while you wait for the "extra memory" version to become available with your preferred 3G radios.

Nothing on the HD2 box says that more advanced models will never be released. Nothing says that official ROM upgrades will come from the company. Nothing says that XDA will guarantee 7.0 ROMS for us. But we all hope.

The moral of the story: HTC owes us nothing. Oh, and consumer electronics are bad investments.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Unless I REALLY missed something, the HD2 only became publicly available in November, just over 2 months ago.