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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] TrYde:
If it becomes true, then I will stick on WM 6.5 on the HD2. However, things may change, it could be fake, it could be hackable.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] caliban2:
this looks fake... in fact i agree that someone listed all the things that suck on the iphone and wrote "windows phone 7" all over it. :D

these points look like from an US-centered point of view. i mean - marketplace?! it's crap all over the world and nearly empty, EXCEPT in the US. zune?! it has been released only where? exactly, again the US.

no OEM-gui allowed? if that were to be true, htc would've already announced to stop making winmo-phones.

nah, this is fake... :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] newshaggy:
Just a Rumor

We still need to wait and see, this is a rumor. I think most people on here would not stand for an Iphone like OS and would move to android instead if Windows did that. I kinda believe they will have a duel os model and this description would fit the model for the media targeted devices. A professional-like version would keep alot of what we love alive and give us some of what we are hoping for.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] OndraSter:
Look what Apple did and how successful they are with those iPhone and iPod Touch.

But I doubt it is true, those rumors are (at least half of them) fake :P.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ivanmatz:
omg!!! no multi-task..
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] BLAST3RR:
I don't think Microsoft will do this.

They must be crazy to.. If they do this, the 'enthusiast' users (the people currently still holding up Windows Mobile on their hands) will drop the new OS and MS would have to start all over again. Why would users choose for their OS while there are no advantages any longer?

Maybe this is the spec of some limited media/Zune version of the OS, not the PRO version, if these are actually true.

Might aswell be some bashing done by an iPhone/Andoid fanboy that got picked up further down the pipe.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pckshd:
I don't believe all of it. I think those are just rumors from the anti-MS people.

If MS ever wanted to make Windows to be like a MAC OS, they would have done it long ago. I don't think they will do such thing in the Mobile branch neither.

I would think(hope) it will be something like:

Windows Phone = Windows 7 Home (for the grandpas)

Windows Phone Pro = Windows 7 Ultimate/Pro (for the enthusiasts/geeks)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mikentucson:
i doubt that there is not going to be any Multi-Tasking. thats what "Windows" is all about. probably all BS
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chalid:
Yep, but just take a look why ppl are still sticking with the pretty outdated windows mobile. Because of an open system, not this closed sh*t. Seriously, why should anybody pick Windows Mobile 7 with the same shortcomings as the iPhone, when the iPhone got perfected for 4 years prior to the new MS OS ... with a whole more of useful apps.

But since android is a nice alternative with lots of customization-options and multitasking, I don't really care about MS f*cking up Windows Mobile 7. Would be nice if they didn't though ...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sjouni:
htc UI goooooooooooooood

i think zune hd UI look like titanium and it's ugly i like htc UI from touchflou to sence and before i like the touch cube (first finger in all phones)

i thing microsoft will support any special UI from any operator or ... for that they made titanium
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] aussiebum:
Hmm, wasn't there some earlier rumor that there would be TWO versions of WM 7? One "consumer" version (ie. probably this announcement), and a "business" version with less multimedia features but customisable for OEM use (ie. like the current WM 6.x)?

If MS really decides to do what's rumored on ppcgeeks they're going to see their customer base drop to zero unless they can somehow convince 3rd party devs to release loads of software on Day One of launch.

After all, who wants a iPhone clone when they can get the real thing?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] egzthunder1:
Well, I sincerely hope that M$ realizes that their Zune isn't more successful not because the iphone is kicking its butt in sales, but because the Zune software sucks badly....

If they are planning on pulling an ITunes kinda thing, they have something else coming. Think about it, in all of its wonderful crappiness, ActiveSync allows you to do pretty much everything you will ever need to do to a PPC (explorer window without hacking the registry... gotta love it)

Besides, if they think that Titanium is good... they better think twice about basic concepts such as customer satisfaction...

All in all, if this all holds to be true, M$ just lost me once again as a customer. I will (as many people said, stay with 6.5 and Android (both of which happen to run wonderfully well in my Vogue...

This probably explains why the Rome is gonna have a HTC interface... they know this move by M$ will sink them like a bucket of rocks.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Who is M$? Never heard of them.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] egzthunder1:
that's a couple of years down the road if they keep up whatever they are doing... :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ebautista:
Even if this is fake or not!

If this is true:

1. People will hate HTC/LG/Samsung and other companies who produces WM devices. HTC will demand on M$. M$ will dictate HTC. People will hate M$(Everybody does). M$ new OS will be crapped. HTC will shift to Android (or if not, will shift Symbian. It is open source now. Visit here). M$'s Windows Phone 7 will down.

2. New devices such as HD/2 and other WM6.5 devices will be just a crap.

3. Many of US won't patronage this new OS (as for me, i will really do. I would prefer Android.).

4. Many developers (paid or not) will be disappointed (for sure).

If this is not true:

1. REJOICE!!!

2. People will love those companies who produces WM devices. I will love them better.

3. Prices will go up and profit will go up as well. At least for them.

4. All those angels and saints will sing Halleluah and Kumbaya! And us as well!

Comparison with Apple and M$:

-Iphone started with the same OS and provides updates for the SAME OS up to now. Consumers and Developers already accepted this thing since the start of their OS.

-Windows started with Windows Mobile (WinCE) for a long time and many developers diverted and spent for developing WM apps and now M$ will give the latest OS in different platform. Many consumers will be surprisingly disappointed because their devices will be crapped because won't be able to update and many developers will start all over again if they are still interested and hoping that this big shift won't happen again. I will not accept this. Are you?

-Iphone's hardware specs is less that 1ghz M$ latest will have 1ghz processor. But Iphone's performance is still smoother and better for less than 1ghz than Zune's.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] josefcrist:
hopefully this is not true or i will have to stick to pre 7 windows mobile. or hopefully not android.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] apreichner:
iPhones success has nothing to do with its shortcomings. It pushed a HUGE application market forward from absolutely nothing to a whole lot in little or no time. And it tapped a crowd that had never been tapped before. Touch screens have been used for years, but one that was truly user friendly and revolutionary was not pushed. In spite the fact Windows Mobile actually has a larger list of applications, Microsoft never pushed it or advertised in one location until recently. And what now? There are better phones out there than the iPhone, but iPhone is still king? Why? Possibly because Windows Mobile phones are the most expensive phones on the market at the moment. And iPhone seems to be the cheapest for what you get at this point in time. Android might be catching up, but its too early to tell. Apple is still the leader because everyone KNOWS about Apple.

I'm willing to bet when the HD2 comes to T-Mobile it'll be close to 600 dollars with a two year contract... I'm sorry, but 260, plus a two year contract is TOO expensive for the TouchPro2.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] RufusThorne:
Actually I think you'll find that the ZuneHD is a Windows CE 6 device.

Also, it has been widely rumoured for ages, and it's pretty much confirmed now that Windows Mobile 7 will be the first product based on Windows CE 7 (Chelan) with better memory management, Hardware Abstraction layer, Zune integration and most likely Silverlight 2.0 (in place of flash?)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anubis23:
hi

i really hope this isn't true, i don't think microsoft would screw its partner's like htc samsung like that, and for the longest i could remember everything microsoft was about blending in the old; backwards compatability... and no multi tasking come on, highly doubtful, the new platform would have to be built around this, because it one of the major flaws in the iphone, cause why would these new sepc for 6.5 and 6.5.3 call for so much memory than before? like the hd2 300mb of ram is just calling for multitasking :/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
if the no-multitasking rumour is really true, only reason I can imagine, it's a workaround trying to fix the responsitivity of the OS. But then I wouldn't really expect MS to really do this.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] YoLoLo:
Dunno if it's a fake or not... M$ isn't so dumb to put such an OS outside... and a paying OS...

I'm an earlier Windows Mobile's user (it was named PPC2002 in...2003 when i bought my 1st DELL AXIM X5...), and i've paid for (many) applications to install on future machines (running with a SPVM600 right now for the last 3 and half years)...

If i need to throw away all license and apps i've bought during these years and all the (good) freewares i've seen, i will certainly reset all and look at those 'exotics' OS, such as Android !

Lost for lost, i prefer discover a new (good) OS, rather than an OS with bugs, only solved in the second or third AKU !

:mad:

When M$ will lose definitively the market, they will cry like children... But they ACT as children...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] guillefix:
If that is true I am rooting for OMS 2.0, 3.0 and so on as it's based in Android and seems to have support to run symbian and WM APIs, and maybe someday will run apps from other OS :P
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] yngvebn:
Fake

I'm guessing it's fake, and it wouldn't surprise me if MS somehow is involved in the leak.

Imagine what kind of publicity it would get if they launched it and contradicted all these rumors...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] King Royalty:
wow i hope this isnt true
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] egzthunder1:
Man, you are just a kid :D! You want to talk about early WM adoption? My first WM device was a HP Jornada 520 back in Nov 2001. Worked wonderfully well too! One of the first commercially available pdas with a color screen and a whooping 16 mb (to be shared between ram and storage space) for less than $200.... good times

Damn it, you got me all nostalgic now :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] denco7:
Ok, youngster, my first PDA was an Apple Newton back in '93 . Cost me $700 which at the time was cheap, seeing as the year before I had shelled out $3200 for my Mac SE with it's whopping 40Mb hard drive.

Of course I went all out with the Newton and got the optional 4Mb PCMCIA card which allowed me to store over 250 contacts and 500 calender appts.

Ah the good old days before Apple got overpriced.:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Elim:
I don't know the source for this article but PPCGeeks and MobileTechWorld have some other articles with related topics but partly complete different conclusions. For me it seems to be, that the autor from the article here, have read this articles but didn't understand them.

So, be cool.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Sellitus:
I've gotta say, I would never buy that device unless someone hacks it to do everything we would expect it to do. Until then, I'll be buying an android phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sam_rizvi:
First of all hi to everyone, its my first post on this forum and till date I've learned each and everything about wm phones from this forum,thanx to all.

I dont think so its all true about wm7 becasue its not possible to develop an OS without backwad compatability and the most important multi-tasking. Not supporting OEM interfaces means HTC and SAMSUNG will divert to ANDROID and I am sure Microsoft will never loose big clients like them.

As far as iPhone is concerned,I have used it for a week and never thought bout using i again, to me its a toy but not a phone. According to my limited thinking the reason for iPhone's popularity was iPod. Becasue people loved iPod [and no doubt iPods are the best portable music player on the market becasue of the sound quality they provide with at affordable price] always carried around and ipod and a phone. When Apple introduced iPhone with iPod built into it, people went crazy bcoz instead of carrying and ipod and a phone they can carry both in one which was iPhone. Thts the main reason for success of iPhones i reckon.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ivo34:
if wm7 is coming with all this "nice"features,my next device for sure will be "not" a windows....;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hello00:
LMFAO..That can't be so true, if it is..Good bye WM7
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Fdo35:
I just want to say, if not Windows Mobile, then Android. Seriously, everything else (except maybe WebOS devices) is terrible, especially the iPhone. But, Windows Mobile 7 will probably be fine (or at least as good as everything else), and you shouldn't worry about rumors because everything contradicts each other. It's true. I can't think of one rumor that doesn't have an opposite one contradicting it. Just my opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] FarBeyond:
It's all over the net today...

My post was correct...

DAMN YOU RICHMOND!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Which post? Who is Richmond?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] hardcoreplur:
ok? who has actually WATCHED the press release. M$ partnered with everyone important in the cell phone world.

-flash was not shown in any part of the demo, but the new IE on WP7 is build on off the core from the desktop version.

-They directly talked about AT&T and HTC adding to the WP7 software and integreting personalize for their devices and network (maybe a working media net for att.

-unless M$ is coding every apps from marketplace like the iphony app store, which is impossible if verison and at&t are keeping the network specific "app store"

-WTF is this "pause in the background" s**t that is what multi-tasking on a phone is! you are in one app i.e. google maps, you switch to media player to switch a song, google maps sits in the background unless you switch back.

everyone was so butt hurt before windows 7 was about to come out, saying it was a prettier version of vista, but M$ actually did a great job. until we are hold cooked or beta roms of WP7, it is all rumors.

I am not trying to start a flame war, but it looks like M$ might be getting lucky with 7's in there future.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] lutanica:
I know it is a big sin to say this; but after reading about this **** (WM7):

I would rather get an iPhone instead. This new **** is a huge goodbye to M@ and hello to Google (android) for many people sepcially us XDAers.

What the hell has Microsoft been doing all this time? Could someone tell me what is new in WM7? Multitouch? Well, it has already been developed (is in process but still) for WM6.5 so what else. Restrictions, restrictions and restrictions. Microsoft is like all other companies after a bigger profit and has chosen the Apple way. Make the phone idiot proof and make some multitouch supporting games like iPhone and people will start buying WM7 phones. There is no respect for freedom anymore. Only money money money...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vagrik:
Good News for ME! :D I hate HTC SENSE & more HTC APP!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chris_ah1:
Android appears to be XDA's future for sure....but android still a very tiny slice of the pie!!!

TBH android still needs to do a fair bit to get polished though.

Let's just hope that there can be ROM cooking.

p.s. i think NETCF3.5 will be moddable to the new platform. Ironically, I think the UI of WM6.5.x is pretty damn good.

I see WMP7 as more of a featurephone/BADA style interface. Rather than a truly configurable set of lego like WM6.5 and android.

TBH iphone is really just a snazzy featurephone as so much is hidden from the user.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] yngvebn:
I have not heard a single word about no multitasking in WM7. Please provide some sort of source for this information.

Also, WM6 apps will be compatible with WM7, but will need to facelift their UI in order to work with the new interface in WM7.

Instead of bashing on the not-so-important points in this post, maybe hope for fixes for all the other weird stuff in WM5, WM6, WM6.5

Also the fact that this is still Windows, with the ability to support .NET framework development, and a brushup on the UI instead of all the old crappy WinCE controls is a huge deal.

The only reason HTC Sense is needed is because the WM6 interface is crap. Better WM7 interface - no need for HTC Sense. Also, remember that the UI in the videos are from a very early unstable alpha. It might change radically in the course of the next 9 months...

I, for one, is looking forward to this and I think it'll be a pleasant surprise for most of us :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] egzthunder1:
Hats off to you :D

I still remember my Atari and Commodore64 though....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] markjhvt:
Here's a good article discussing WM6 compatibility as well as multi-tasking:

http://gizmodo.com/5472235/windows-phone-7-apps-what-we-know-what-we-dont?skyline=true&s=i

Basically, WM6 apps will not work on WM7. Period.

And they're not being very forthcoming about multi-tasking, but it sounds as though it's going to be very limited and more push related, much like the iPhone.

-Mark-
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] MichaelPB:
It looks pretty, but I am the one that wants to be in control over my phone. If I want to revamp my complete phone I can do so with WM6.x. If I want to run 5 apps at a time so I can switch between running apps really quick, I just want to be able to.

It's a logical step for MS to come with this more closed OS where the user is much more dependent from the manufacturer's updates and (aproved) apps. Look at Apple. They made billions of dollars with such a business model. MS has to catch up.

But that doesn't make it a pleasant step for everyone. On the other hand: I doen't think the 6.x community will ever die. I'm still using 4 different WM 6.x phones at the moment just because I can tweak and fiddle around the way I want to. And occasionally screwing things up badly ofcourse :) And I know a lot more people that enjoy the same weird hobby ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pckshd:
The way out would be very simple:

Windows 7 Standard

Windows 7 Professional

It is obvious that MS will first promote the "cool" and "easy" stuff for the average consumer which is the majority. Just as a Windows7(PC) early announcements were, very simple and general, they don't want to shout out the whole story, that would give 9 months advantage to competitors.

Either way, still 9 months for them to think it carefully...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
And who would get which version? I mean, would a hypothetical HD3 be Standard or Professional?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pckshd:
Well, HTC could sell both (same hardware, different OS), just as PC OEMs do. The customer would choose. Even with different pricing...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ozraelised:
HD2 with other opering system

I bought the HTC HD2 not for MW6.5 and I am sure the same with a lot of HTC HD2 users. - did anyone manage to install another operating system on the HD2? Maybe they should contact microsoft and show explain why they moved away - only problem - microsoft has no ears :eek:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] cscoot03:
Slightly confused, with Windows 7 on the way does this make the HD2 outdated, not worth buying or will (if known) Windows 7 be applicable for the HD2? Thanks
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] unityjasont:
you think thats bad my first computer was a TRS-80, no hard drive, cartridge games, and 5.25" floppies for programs
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] godslunatk:
Apple IIGS with something called a "mouse" and a 386 with an external Pascal HD.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
Well, I'm going to use my HD2 happily with WM6.5. If WP7 comes out for it and it will have the essentials like copy/paste sorted out and satnav programs will work and there will be excellent e-book readers available for it I will upgrade (your list may vary of course, but you need to have one to consider whether it's worth it - you aren't going to use just the excellent start screen and Bing Search). This may or may not happen before HD2's successor comes out. If it doesn't, I won't bother with upgrading HD2 but ould rather switch. I have a habit of having the best WM phone out there, and I don't plan to change it with WP7 or whatever.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3it3r:
Personally, I use my phone primarily for music and internet, which the new OS looks great for. I think the layout is spectacular and has some really cool features. I'll probably end up with an Android phone in the coming months, but will be looking at WP7 very hard when it hits later this year. Buying 3 or more phones a year is not uncommon for me, so it's possible I'll get an Android AND a Windows Phone 7 device. Damn my obsessions... lol
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] mayhssbn:
does that mean i cant get winmo 7 on my o2 atom exec ? well thats ok if guyz can get me themes........looks gud and beter than iPhone in my opinion.....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3it3r:
Seriously? Did you seriously just type that, look at it, and say "sure, that'll do" and then hit submit with a smile?

"guyz" and "gud"? there's also an apostrophe in 'Can't" and two Ts in "better".

I know, I know.. it's the internet and I shouldn't take it so seriously. I'm just trying to understand how things like this happen. When I look at my sister-in-law's tests from the High School English class that she teaches, I see 'txtspk' in the term papers.. how ridiculous is this? I thought QWERTY phones and software keyboards would fix this issue...

Sorry for the rant, but wow...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] bizum1:
and

-WinMo7 will run only on iPhone
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] zwuncki:
I've read that HTC Russia already confirmed an WM7 Update/Upgrade for the HD2 (when it'll become available) but no word from other countries. Still, HD2 should be WM7 compatible.

If I can't use any of my shareware apps and get not special discount for WM7 apps I bought before I'll say goddbye to Microsoft and Windows. That would be everything but good customer service (I bought prob. 50 apps, some very expensive)...

I own an android phone, an iPhone, a Palm Pre. If there's no multitasking (Palms WebOS multitasking is sensational and shows how easy real multitask integration works) with WM7 it's goodbye for me again. I have an iPhone for that and don't need a "second one"/wannabe iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] gerryjoson:
Social Networking is the cause, it will be the downfall of humanity......windows phone 7 promises acceleration of the process by letting people know what's happening with their lives....which for people heavily into "social networking" means probably very little :)