yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] precsmo:
the 1ghz hack and the original 700mhz plus speed is kinda bull**** to me and to many others. use common sense, everyone please! I've been with windows mobile devices since years ago, we all know WM is sluggish, just so sluggish. I've had good experience with Touch HD too, it is just so much slower. But My HD2 is basically instant everywhere, and even if it lacks in some occasions, it is again the WM to be blamed, and it is really bull**** that the Snapdragon in HD2 is scaled at 700mhz plus, the performance of the HD2 is so much faster than any previous WM phones, 700mhz plus of speed will not show that much of improvement. Bull****! I don't even bother to find the proof, also, there is no reliable benchmarking for WM until now, there are so much to argue, how can they say they have proof to show HD2 is clocked at 700mhz, and the hack works? I've never even bother about trying the Eugenia rom, there are much better stuffs for us to pay attention and concern than the bull**** 1ghz hack argument.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I agree that this discussion has ran it's course and there is nothing left to prove. Now we need action from the moderators. We also don't need the false misleading information on the board. I think any cook advertising this should have to remove it from their ROM thread. The mere fact is that a few are making a claim that our device specification are not correct. This in itself is making a direct accusation to HTC that they have provided us a device which does not meet the specifications on the box, and with no supporting proof. Then for their own gain they offer a Fake hack to claim it makes our device perform to the HTC specifications on the box. I don't know where you are from but in many countries you can be liable for these types of misleading claims on a public forum.

Think of it from the eyes of HTC legal department. Here is a guy or guys making a claim that our device is not performing to it's specification, and they are openly advertising it on a public forum. This could be damaging to our reputation and to the sales of the device if people are deceived in it's specifications. Whether proven or not HTC would not want this kind of activity.

So it's time for the moderators to stop this. If they want to include it labeled it as a speed tweak then ok but don't advertise something like this without any proof and that is damaging to HTC reputation.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] wacky.banana:
This one seems to have run its course so I will close it.

If it needs to be reopened then please contact me and let me know what your reasons are.

Thanks

WB
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] iky10:
interesting results...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] g.lewarne:
when i tested the latest eugenia rom, i honestly could not tell the difference. Perhaps reports of its graphical speed are related to the fact that its cooked with chainfires driver? (and not the latest version either, i might add!)

however, dont take that as either an insult or dismissal of the "hack", just a personal observation.

Also, HTC could definately be sued by not enabling the full potential of the snapdragon with stock roms, since its 1ghz was plastered all over the advertising.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Arkadash:
Where can I download this hack ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I really don't believe there is a hack. At least the file we were given is the exact same as in 1.66 and 2.02 drivers. Either it was a honest mistake of thinking it did something or he has mislead some people into thinking there was a hack.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Toss3:
Must say that even though there might be no 1 Ghz hack the eugenia rom sure feels faster than any of the other roms I've tested thus far. Applications have never launched this fast before - even the youtube app opens instantly.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] patomas:
Now I'm curious!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Well remember he is using Extendir, just as I am but he is getting a little faster than mine due to the Extendir settings. I prefer to keep settings that will be able to use sync notes and have good stability.

So the increase you see is likely the Extendir. I think only myself and Kholk are using Extendir on HD2.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Toss3:
You might be right, but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I can't really say I noticed anything other than the applications loading faster with his rom. Guess we'll know soon enough. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] KukurikU:
+1 ! i once used an extendir ROM on my HD and it was amazingly faster than any other ROM around. if no any obvious other explanation/reason than the extendir is the main "suspect".
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] guamhtc:
How or where can I download the 1Ghz hack or patch to load onto my current rom or is this not possible? I'm currently using LynxEX 1.1...great rom but would like to see what it could do with this tweak...

Also, read it might be an Extendir related boost...possible because in my old HD that made a world of difference.

So, if anyone can point me in the direction of where the hack is or where to download, or if someone has a cab already made...let me know...otherwise, the HD2 is already fast compared to anything I've used especially with the 576mb rom...just my .02.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kholk:
Search, search, search! :)

P.S.: No, they aren't identical :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Warmax88:
just compared the files and it's exactly the same as the 1.66 file. NOTHING is changed.

kholk why dont u tell us instead of saying "search search search":confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
The file you shared with us are Identical to the 1.66 and 2.02 ones. There is nothing to search. It is identical in HEX which means it is Identical Period.

Maybe you accidentally uploaded the wrong one? If this is the case then I think everyone would understand.

So if you have one that is different please share that one. Otherwise I and others see this as a fake until someone proves it different.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] texture:
My 2cents experience:

Compared with Beyond Compare the Sxxx of the two dll and i find some differences.

Then recmoded the dlls and compared again...the files are the same...

Imho Kholk don't share a fake.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
If you recmod both files and compare they are identical. I took the file from his ROM dump which is different than the one he shared, but will not boot in the system.

I'm not one who likes to make accusations but I will be really interested to hear the story on how he was sharing a hack with the same file as we already have. It seems his file is different so why did he not share his file?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Here is the attached file from Kholk ROM dump. Let me know if any of you can get it working cause I can't. I suspect there are other things needed to make it work. If you want to compare the 2 files recmod both and use beyond comapre
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HD2Owner:
i'm currently testing the 1ghz hack released by kholk and i can really feel the difference.

you have to use the file from this post.

you can't use the dll from a dumped rom (already tried this some days ago). you have to use the file he uploaded.

thanks again to kholk for sharing.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] alesscam:
Perhaps it has wish to play? :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
This is the file we all used from that post. I just did a compare from the dump as we have already confirmed the file he gave us was the same as we already had. It does not make your device any faster as it is the same file you had before. You are just thinking it is, Placebo effect. Try for yourself use beyond compare recmod both 1.66 or 2.02 and the one from the download he gave us and do a Hex Compare and you will see for yourself they are the same. So tell me how can the same file make a difference? It only makes you think it did in your mind.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] iDance°-->ra1n:
hi, how can i flash the file msm_clk.dll ??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] elyl:
It kind of goes against the ethos of xda-devs to hack something and not go into the details of how you did it, and share your work (on the proviso that you are credited with it, of course).

Kholk, you seem to be giving as little information as possible and it's really making you look bad. If you are claiming something this important, let your peers review it, otherwise you look like a mad scientist who claims he's invented anti-gravity, or cold-fusion, but won't let anyone verify his claims.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] iDance°-->ra1n:
please help me, i want to try this hack also if i think that is a fake
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HD2Owner:
@bobsbbq

dont know what you are comparing.

i just compared 2.02 msm_clk.dll to the hacked one by kholk (see screenshot).

they are clearly not identical.

dont blame him for not (yet) releasing what he modified (or how).

just enjoy his work and say thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I was the first person to Thank him so don't take this the wrong way. But it has come to light now that what he gave us is nothing. I'm the first person to help anyone, and the first person to thank someone. But I will also be the first to call someone out if they are doing something wrong or deceiving. We have to wait to here from him on this.

Your screen shot is not displayed. But I have some 2. Both files recmoded and Both done with Beyond compare in HEX mode set to display differences. This is the 2.02 and the file he shared with us. Not sure what program you are using but myself and several others have confirmed they are the same.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jojordy:
Autoquote my old post to confirm what Bobsbbq said ...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] the_scotsman:
While I wish to stay neutral on this as I haven't looked at or tested the hack. I have to say Kohlk is always complaining about other chefs having "new builds" that they won't share. Yet he has this "hack" that he doesn't seem to want to explain?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Look guys I'm not trying to gang up on Kholk, but there has been enough of us to test this dll file and confirm there is nothing different about it compared to a ship ROM dll. I would like nothing more than this to be a true hack, but I'm a little skeptical at the moment until some clarification is done. I appreciate Kholk sharing his hack and I hope it turns out that he has given us the wrong file or has left out some other important files needed for this hack to work. But at the same time until we can clarify this supposed hack I think users should be made aware. And anytime you create a hack you have to accept what comes along with it. And if you can provide proof to back up your claims it makes it more believable to the people.

Also don't let yourself be fooled by some speedy results of a particular ROM with this Hack. What we need is a basic base ROM nothing added and no tweaks except for this .dll file and compare with and without to see what the difference is. And I'm sure they will be the same. Kholk has done a good job and with Extendir has a speedy ROM but before you except this as the holy truth lets perform some test first.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] anja31:
SBP Benchmark:

stock	/ 1Ghz

Write 1 MB file*	348,9 ms	/344 ms*

Read 1 MB file*	9 ms	/10 ms*

Copy 1 MB file*	445,6 ms	/441 ms*

Directory list of 2000 files*	328,1 ms	/172 ms*

Internal database read*	181 ms	/210 ms*

Compress 1 MB file using ZIP*	708,8 ms	/840 ms*

Decompress 1024x768 JPEG file*	393 ms	/425 ms*

Arkaball frames per second*	15,26 ms	/7.95 ms*

CPU test: Whetstones MFLOPS*	1465 ms	/1457 ms*

CPU test: Whetstones MOPS*	497 ms	/550 ms*

CPU test: Whetstones MWIPS*	2879 ms	/2872 ms*

Memory test: copy 1 MB using memcpy*	3,73 ms	/3.77 ms*

This is a result made by my friend PKoper...

nothing more to say form me...

regards

Anja31
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Thanks for him doing this test. There are really no difference at all.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gianton:
thanks for the info.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] g.lewarne:
agreed,and in some cases is significantly worse!

EDIT

looking closer at those results, it would seems that the "hack" slows down data throughput from the filesystem. Icouldalso indicate that, even it the"hack" is working in some way on the processor speed, the limiting factor may be the filesystem. In Effect it could even be detremintal to performance if it caused an asynchronous data flow
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vijay555:
Guys, whatever the status of the particular dll patch (which does need figuring out!), his roms are certainly fast. Whether they're faster or slower in hz, they are quick in switching apps etc. I can't say I stuck with the rom fast enough to check file system throughput, but whatever his rom is doing with the interface, it's worth investigating - remember the improvements to the graphic front end on Windows 7 only make things feel faster, even if underneath the system is the same or slower!

So, having a system that feels nice and fast is worth striving for!

V
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Your right it doesn't matter that his ROM is faster. But what does matter is that it is not from the tweak he has shared or claims. Extendir will do just what you described and is what he is using. So to some that don't know about Extendir they think it is the 1ghz hack is causing the increase in speed.

I think it has been proven that this tweak is a fake, covered up by the speed increase of Extendir.

If me and others are wrong then Kholk please step in and prove it to us. And if i'm wrong I will be the first to say I'm sorry.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] D69K:
maybe he posted the wrong file he's checking on it now ..

i hope this is real :)

i could use 300mhz boost :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] iDance°-->ra1n:
how can i install the 1 ghz hack?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kholk:
I've stripped down the post from @Anja31 for showing you a thing.

First, thank you Anja31 for verifying and posting these results as noone believes me and there's raising a war. It's difficult to hack a thing and postin' it without having someone to blame you and sincerely I know that I would have seen these things after posting it.

What you see in the stripped down version of Anja31's tests are some things that make you think on the 1GHz driver hack.

*-See the CPU Whetstones tests?

Well, these tests (and memory test) are intensive (50/50) on CPU/RAM, so you won't see a great difference from these because, as I already explained, our RAM isn't fast.

*-See now the indexing of files.

This is really CPU intensive because there are 2000 threads given to the CPU, the system waits until the CPU completes the task, then writes. And you can clearly see the results.

*-What about the Arkaball FPS?

It's made in software acceleration, so it doesn't use the GPU processing power, but only the CPU one! I'm surprised of the speed of this test because it doesn't use only the CPU, but it's likely that our VRAM (RAM that is dedicated only to the GPU) is really faster than our RAM and it makes the CPU to show its (nearly) full processing power.

I won't reply anymore here and even on other threads about this: it sounds like a kid that doesn't believe that his toy can make a sound saying "WeeHee!" and that doesn't see the micro speaker in it.

And it also sounds like a kid's caprice.

If you want to understand where are the changes in this file, you have to pay attention when examinating this and.. no, auto-compare programs won't help you.

I'm not explaining what I've done simply because I don't have to. It's like asking to bepe or cotulla to explain what they've done for making the HardSPL: they won't even reply to you and they won't even say "I'm not explaining this to you".

For HardSPL by bepe and cotulla you can see that it makes you able to flash cooked ROMs and it seems that what they've done isn't interesting to you.

For 1GHz Hack by me, you can clearly see that it gives an improvement.

My two cents.

The Eugenia Project Developer

-kholk.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] iDance°-->ra1n:
hey kholk how can i install on my hd2 your 1 ghz hack?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kholk:
You have to integrate it into your XIP, cooking it in a ROM.

You can't install with a CAB.

My last reply here.

The Eugenia Project Developer

-kholk
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] the_scotsman:
I've just cooked it into my ROM...will see if I can see any kind of difference...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] iDance°-->ra1n:
mi puoi spiegare come si fa?

can you explain me how i can do this?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
If you don't understand the technical details of why the 1ghz is fake, then consider this: Do you really think that HTC would lie about the specs of a device? That would mean serious problems legally and damage their reputation... The HD2 is listed as a 1GHz device, and there is zero evidence from kholk or any other person that HTC is lying.

1ghz hack is confirmed fake as far as I am concerned.

Benchmarks differences are due to other factors such as extendir.

The "hacked" file kholk posted is identical to the stock file.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] a_ballads:
they hid the fact the 576 ram was on board.....:confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bayowar:
...but they didn't advertise 1024MB Ram instead. Mnet has a point.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
they never claimed that the HD2 had 576 ram. so if they said that it had 576 ram in specs, but in reality there is only 448 ram then there would be a problem.

BUT they say that the processor speed is 1024mhz (look at device info in setting). that means the processor is really 1024mhz.

in other words, HTC may under-report sepcs, but they can never over-report them
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
there are improvements only in directory listing --> extendir effect

notice that the CPU benchmarks are actually worse with the fake 1ghz hack (lower ms is better)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Martinhdk:
Well. A lot of flaming - but remember. YOU (disbelievers) accuse KHOLK, not the opposite...

So YOU guys have to proof that the hack is fake, its not the other way around...

He claims that the hack is working, and so it does until someone can prove that it does not. We simply have to respect any improvements, until we see any scientific evidence of a fake.....

And KHOLK, a little proof of what you have done would change it all, instead of being angry on the disbelievers..

:D:D

This is a super thread so work for solutions....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
the hack has already been proven fake...

there is no need for any hack. the hd2 already scales up to a maximum of 1024mhz depending on usage.

you don't have to use kholk's rom to have 1ghz, despite what he might say
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ebliss:
This is weird. I didn't know that a theory would be considered true unless it is proven false. AFAIK, a theory is and only will be a theory unless it is proven true, then, it will become a fact. You are asking people to proof that the theory is fake, if people can't do it, it is the truth?

Whatever he claims, unless he can show scientific evidence to proof it, it is not considered the truth.

I hereby claim that HTC is evil. Now, proof to be that I am wrong.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] huggy_72:
sorry to everyone , i have read here and i have make MY one comparison,

I'm not expert at this i have search for a hex comparison program download it and make comparison between 1.66 msm_clk.dll and Kholk one , for me

there is 27 different value between S000

PLEASE @mnet or anyone can explain me what i make wrong?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Lake292:
he is comparing to dll from version 2.02 i think
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] huggy_72:
ok then i have make comparison whit the 2.02 here the result

again 27 different and again my question how i'm wrong
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
You have to recomod the modules to compare, otherwise you will get some differences due to the date when the module was made etc. If you compare Recmodded file to file they are identical.

I also believe that I would have to say the burden of proof is on whoever is creating the hack to make HTC out to be a liar. In the same turn we have every reason to question the validity of such claims. If users want to believe it that is fine. But there are going to always be people who want to know more as we have. I believe it was a good marketing technique for his ROM and the ability to pass it off because of the increase speed from Extendir.

The fluctuation saw in the benchmark can happen between the same ROM. Run the test 6 times record all the data throw out the 2 lowest scores then average the data. Then you have a more accurate measurement.

I removed the 1ghz label from my ROM as I don't want to mislead my users. There was no need to cook a new ROM as the file is the same.

It would be interesting if some developer could write a program that could test it. Then there would be no doubt.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Martinhdk:
Hahahha. Good point. OK a proof for a new hack/feature IS needed from the dev to meet acceptance. I just believe that the flaming is to much. :eek:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] huggy_72:
Thank's i have try to compare the 1.66 and 2.02 and there is exactly the same, is this correct ?

Now what exactly happens, when you recmode a module??

for what I understood reverse a module on .dll

but how exactly change machine level
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I don't think anyone is flaming we just want to know the truth. And if it is a fake then people will know. You can't go around making those kind of claims without any proof and expect people not to question it.

I would really like to see a program that can load the processor to test with and with out the hack. I will be the first to test it. Come on anyone?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
As Popper (not a xda-developer member :) ) already noted: confirmations are easier to come by then falsifications. And in this thread you see this actually proven in a very elegant way: feelings, suggestive thought and all kind of things are brought up as a confirmation of the hack.

The art of proving a theory is to collect as many good "falsificators" as possible and then proof that every falsifactor is wrong. A nice example of a falsificator is the lack of difference in the compared dll's or the claim that HTC is risking a legal claim if they delivered a device that is running 3/4 of the advertised speed. Prove that those statements are wrong (that is that they don't falsify the 1 Ghz theory) is actually a lot more difficult and more convincing that to prove that a theory is correct (think about all those parapsychological theories: so many "proofs".... hardly any convincing tests that could prove that the theories are wrong)

just my 2 cents
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] huggy_72:
to be fair I RecMode the two folders and then compared and there is no difference

I'm curious because I wanted to know if there is even one case in which a change can not be vesibile in HEX?