yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
Just had to say it. Its not windows! There's no closing of anything, just going back to home, or opening something else up. If you keep thinking it should behave like windows, you'll never like it. This is like dragging the start bar up to the top on your win desktop and pretending I'm using gnome or mac, then getting annoyed when it doesn't behave the same (not attacking you btw, just drawing outlines).

Sounds like you got wrapped up in a windows world, and stuck with a bunch of wma's. This is fine if you continue using windows, and as long as you don't have a problem with DRM. Its in your best interest regardless to convert your library to an mp3 standard, where it will work on any device and be free of drm.

This seems to be a growing trend with company's, creating their own cultures that are self feeding.

Sony has been known to pull this stunt and quite often. They create media or a format in direct competition to an open format (like "memory stick" or "UMD"), and then build their electronics that use their own format, forever binding those that adopted it to continuing to use Sony products. Then people get annoyed when they buy something else, and it uses the 'standard' (like Compact Flash) and all their old media isn't compatible.

Apple does similar, even Google with its web app integration.

The difference however is if the open standard is also allowed, or if you're impeded from using it. Mp3 certainly plays on MS's Zune, but they also push wma. MS does charge licencing fee's for its codec, and Google doesn't want to pay MS money to benefit the MS culture.

I can however open a MS word doc on Google Doc's and be fine. Google is also not pushing its own word processing format, they don't need to. All they want are eyeballs on their web.

Android maintains this open ness, forcing nothing 'google' on me. I could even go to bing and search if I wanted, though granted the widget included searches Google, but there's nothing stopping MS from releasing a widget for android to do bing searches. That right there is the difference, do you get choice or are you sand boxed without even being asked.

I'm sure I missed something or had an incomplete thought somewhere up there, I was multi-tasking while typing this. So grammar nazi's can take a hike!
[Nexus One General] alenaski:
You know that there is no closing anything on Windows Mobile too?

But the problem with android is that after a while using N1 - you get so many apps running and draining your battery.

So you have to use task manager - and that is more annoying that clicking CLOSE button in an apps after you finished with it.

regarding WMA - I use it and I prefer it over MP3 - you know why - AUDIO quality - it is much better on WMA if you compare the same file size.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
After some time, the CPU usage of open apps drops to zero, and those are killed if memory is needed for anything else. When CPU usage drops, the impact on the battery life should be null.
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
Yes I do, I've been familiar with mobile windows since the early day's of win CE. Closing apps is hidden from the user, and they just think they're closing the app by hitting the little "x". Further to really close the app in winmo, the user has to dig much more than hitting an icon one of their home screens and pressing the kill button ;)

This is just plane wrong, and is misinformation. There is no slowdown over time on android. app's get closed as needed to allow new ones to be run, as many applications that will fit into memory will be loaded and sleeping so that they are rapidly available when accessed. task managers are UNNESSIARY. And you JUST said the 'close' button doesn't actually close apps on winmo, so I'm not quire sure what you're getting at.

M4A (mpeg4 audio) is of exceptional quality and is still a multi-platform standard. Personally I prefer the sound quality of Ogg (hey look android supports it!) but I keep things in mp3 for portability.

I have musically trained ears and I can tell the difference between 128, 192, and faintly 320, but the difference between 320 and 192 is incredibly small. Most of my archive is at 192kbps due to this reason.

I'd be willing to bet if I sat you in a studio and played you sound clips of wma vs mp3 at similar bit rate's you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Depending on your age, you might even prefer 128 and think it sounds better - see: http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/11/153205

There's a comment under there that I think apply's to this very well also;

http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1156859&cid=27152097

Correct!, rehashed over and over and over and over every time someone brings up task killers, free memory, and 'my phone slows down'. Its an app issue, not an android issue.
[Nexus One General] alenaski:
I do not know about you - but on 128kbps MP3 files - I can hear what the music is missing and 128kbps WMA is very different story. Just try ripping same CD for yourself in 2 formats and compare...

Young people are so used to high frequency sounds (cell phone ringers, etc) that they miss that background noise. That does not mean, that 128kbps MP3's sounds good. It just means that young people are pretty confused these days by surrounding interference.

I think CPU usage is both Android and an app issue. After installing more apps my N1 battery last for 50% less than before. Android has automatic app management (as you say), so it means OS is responsible for managing memory and CPU - and that is the point that seems is not doing pretty good job. It is an Android issue. I am sure you know that on WM there are task managers that allow you to choose behavior of "x" button (for example, long press and it properly closes an app).
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
http://soundexpert.org/encoders-128-kbps <- Blind comparison study of lossfull vs lossless formats. (notice VBR MP3's encoded with LAME actually best WMA in some cases, and OGG is always on top.)

And did you just rebut me with a link I provided you?

Just noticing your other thread on your "time without signal" problem, THAT my friend is what is killing your battery.

btw I have no slowdowns on my phone, performance is awesome. What I am good about is keeping my app's in check, my twitter app isn't pulling for updates every 5 min for example.
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
There are 3rd party apps that will run your battery down quicker... that isn't an Android issue, though, it is the apps problem. ie, I downloaded a Star Wars light saber app, it was poorly made so it kept playing the sound and what not even after leaving the app. I had to reboot and uninstall it. Even using a task manager to close it, the app still kept running like that.

Task managers are not needed on Android, slow it down, and use up more battery. It takes a lot less battery to keep the RAM chip charged than it does to power the CPU up to 1ghz while opening the app back up.

Also, most battery meter apps drain battery, all those fun widgets that utilize push data use up battery, and so forth... no different than any other OS, and not an Android thing at all.

What is an Android thing is a proper OS design that allows one to fully use their RAM without experiencing a major slow down and battery drain, assuming the apps loaded are properly made(see my previous example for a bad app)... WM bogs down and dies if you go over 70-80% RAM in use. As well, the only time you notice any sort of slow down is if you open an app not currently loaded in the cache of the RAM. Yes, it will take maybe a second longer than if you had been using a task killer, but that is because as it opens Android is closing the least used apps in your RAM cache so that it has available RAM for the new app....

Android is not and should not be treated or judged based on a WM mindset. Two different beasts, both with their pros and their cons. But to assume Android should behave just like WM is like assuming a BMW should drive the same as a Chevy.
[Nexus One General] bofslime:
^ bravo, pjcforpres

I feel like a broken record on the topic at times. people load up their screens with widgets (ram, and battery meters), kill their apps constantly, and then wonder why their phones performance sucks. Those that refuse to know the truth should really go back to using iPhones, where they only let you use 1 3rd party app at a time so even if the app was a coding pile of garbage the user isn't going to blame apple for it.
[Nexus One General] alenaski:
Look guys - I understand perfectly well how both Android OS and WM OS works. I am a developer.

So you are not saying anything new here and you do not understand what I am saying.

I am just saying that Android is not much better than WM when it comes to real life usage and that Android is overrated.

Maybe you just did not use Android for too long?
[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Up to this point this conversation has been fairly opinionated on both sides and I wanted to stay out of it. That said, get over yourself. A good number of the XDA folks who now have a N1 came over from the G1. In your first post you say you are coming from Winmo (HD2) and the iPhone so you are clearly the one who "did not use Android for too long." Many of us have been using android since the first commercial release.

IRT WMA support:

WinMo: yep (it is a Microsoft OS)

iPhone: nope (which begs the question what did you do for your iPhone?)

Pre: no

Blackberry: 3d party application (some vendors support it as a value add)

Symbian: 3d party application

So really the only current smartphone OS that supports WMA out of the box is WinMo. Vorbis consistently beats WMA at 192Kbps, and MP3 VBR is within margin of error to WMA at 192. Do a double blind using foobar for WMA against MP3 VBR and both against a lossless. Your "missing music" flies in the face of systematic studies. If you said against a lossless I would be more inclined to agree, but not WMA vs a decent MP3 encoder.

The broken cut and paste I agree with, and to a lesser extent the hit and miss nature of applications in the market. There are many high quality apps but it does take some research.

Tethering is a questionable complaint since this is far more likely due to vendor pressure than the OS. VPN has been working fine for me before and after the update (aint anecdotal evidence fun?) And there are multiple backup apps available that work.

Does the android have problems and features missing? Sure, I could make a list myself. But is the android platform superior to WinMo for some users? Absolutely. There are a number of applications from WinMo I miss but overall i find the usability and function of Android far superior to my Winmo experience. Over hyped perhaps, but not overrated. To each his own.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Or in many cases, we went from G1's to MT3Gs to N1s. ;)

(Not me specifically, but some)
[Nexus One General] rockky:
Cut/copy paste is THE most glaring problem with android for me....I need it for what I do. ..and cannot copy paste from items mailed to me.

Bad bad android.
[Nexus One General] NexVision:
Can I have the 10 minutes of my life back I took to read this thread.. OP you deserve a iphone.
[Nexus One General] :
You know what, android OS is overated.

I realized this piece of craps as I was in my car the other day listening to pandora over 3g. I got a call, my music stopped playing and I took the call. When I finshed the pandora client resumed playing the track I was on. I got a little lost so I did a quick voice search for my destination. Found it right away.

I was appauled that I had to press the screen once to get to the navigation function, but I digress. Once the navigation started, my music would lower itself and the navigation would tell me direction. When I got to my destination, I made a quick call to work with the direct dial shortcut to my shop that I had setup earlier. I got the order number of what I needed to pick up. I took a quick picture of the product and shot off an email to my client, sort of a tease/anticipation thing I like to do for certain clients.

Could you believe the camera had me push a button to take the picture? I figured an advance OS named android would know the second the second the picture needed to be taken.
[Nexus One General] htcmagic:
I too, wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread.

WM is a thing of the past no matter how much candy they put on it.

Iphone is a one app at a time, so no much for android.

I think xda has become a feeding ground to people writing reviews on phones on other boards on the internet.

Repeating the same things over and over..............
[Nexus One General] gijoe411:
Good Post, but you forgot the part where you composed a text message while driving with out typing...
[Nexus One General] barisahmet:
Lol funny thread. Of course it is overrated. It can't shave me while IPhone does. tctc..
[Nexus One General] colonel:
Well I have had BB, iphone, winmo, symbian, maemo and a few others.

If you want the best email and messaging get the BB 9700, period.

If you want the best browsing, fun apps, pretty good email and mucking around experience get Android

If you don't want to engage your brain, think that apple's inflated price is worth it because apple is sexy, and messaging isn't a big thing for you, get the iphone.

If you want a real good hack and a brilliant screen, buy the winmo HTC Touch Hd on ebay.

I will say that the iphone has some terrific games now, but this is just a matter of time for android. Winmo still has the best adventure games.

If you like android, its either the droid/milestone or the nexus one which just depends how much you need a keyboard.

I'd say the biggest downside to the google nexus one is the absense of pc outlook sync out of the box. Other then that it solves the iphone & winmo issues only injecting a few of its own.

In summary, all the platforms are good, but the Nexus is in my top five at the moment:

1. nexus one

2. motorola droid/milestone

3. iphone 3Gs

4. BB 9700

5. HTC HD2

IMHO
[Touch 3G General] hrkh83:
Dear Friends....

Today I found out that my speaker doesn't work!!!! :( It doesn't ring!!! { just vibration }

also I can talk on the phone...but when I press the speaker button...I can not hear anything,,,, I am sure it is the external speaker.....

I did soft reset ....and hard reset ...didn't work!!!! I didn't do anything with it...

it also has the original rom .....

I tried to dismount it...but after opening the four screws...I didn't know what to do....I couldn't go further...I couldn't find a way to open it..... the worst thing is that the warranty finished just 3 days ago :D I am very very lucky!

so please help me either fix it or dismount it....

but please please be fast!

Thank you very much in advance
[Touch 3G General] hrkh83:
I heard some weak sounds....

I was working with my phone...and I could hear some weak sounds from it.... It was working.....but with very weak sounds.....!!!!

What should I do?!
[Touch 3G General] azahidi:
I would say it is a hardware fault, either the speaker is faulty or probably dry joints somewhere. I remember reading a thread which gives the hardware diagram, but I could not remember where nor did I bookmark it. If you do a search, may be you can find it. As much as I can help. Regards.
[Touch 3G General] ChrisChorlton:
Same happened to me!

Luckily for me it was 3 weeks before the warranty ended and I got it fixed.

I did see that you could buy the speaker on ebay - and was wondering about that option if the company didn't help.

Just search ebay for HTC touch 3g speaker

Good Luck
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kruszek74:
Hello. I'm searching for a good music player that can show synchronized lyrics. So far I found thread which mentioned Lyrics Magic, WinVibe, LCG Jukebox, MiniLyrics, TCPMP however it was last edited in August 2008 so maybe something has changed since then or maybe you recommend one of those :confused:
[G1 Accessories] revo420:
Are there any cases, holders, or clips for G1s with extended batteries? I drop my phone a lot to say the least and I would like to have it last some what. Any ideas?
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] DimICE:
http://dimice.ru/ACER_EUUv2.zip

Little instruction:

Replace file ACER_EUU.exe to file from this archive..

Run EUUFrontEnd.exe

Click NExt.. Wait..

Click Next..

Turn your phone into flash mode by pressing Camera + VolumeDown + Power/Reset (or Camera + Power/Reset if you have 2.x firmware)

Click OK

Tested on my Acer Neotouch, but use at your own risk:)

p.s. Sorry, i don't speak english well)
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] pongothemagnificent:
YESS!! thank you dimice you have done it again, brilliant =], now i can make the roms .amf.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] freco:
Thanks DimICE. Great job.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] kostaskodes:
that was quick! thanks DimICE
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] Stefano_1986_:
Thanks, Great job.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] ScruffyITA:
tnx for this update m8, keep the great work up!!
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] iliasroub:
You did it again man!!!Thanks!
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] jiyaqing:
maybe it's a stupid question....

what's hacked 3.x? Any official new ROM is issued by Acer?
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] jiyaqing:
Hope your new ROM with Acer 3.0 could be released very soon.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] Nimpattana:
This is used for someone that need to flash by using another ROM Country.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] matooo86:
THX for hacked exe :)
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] arnold88:
Fantastic! Thanks!
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] ppkpt:
Yet again, thank you!!!
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] tonychou:
really nice!!!thx!!!

i just flash 3.003 , i feel really good.

but officeal rom without manila, u know i really love manila:cool:
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] joyqing:
nice work, thx
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] pong_2006:
My s200 can"t boot after my uprom 3.003 Not bootloader not open
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] geodimis:
Thank you very much!
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] sin+:
Ouch! do you mean it is bricked ?

If you press simultaneously the power, volume down and camera buttons, there is no red led flashing ?
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] pongothemagnificent:
You dont need to press all does buttons to enter bootloader, press and hold only the camera button then reset, this will enable your device bootloader mode.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] sin+:
This is correct for all ROMs except the last (v.3) stock one (don't know about yours v3 Rafyvitto).

In v3 you should press the 3 buttons: Volume down, camera and power up/down.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] ocman:
thanks so much but I have a stupid question, how do we buid the rom in .amf format???

and also how do we unpack the .amf file to have the two originals flash.bin & extrom.bin????

sorry to be ignorant :o
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] :
Dont worry about the .amf format just cook the rom like you normaly do, everyone is confused with this new acer flashing structure lol, you dont need to use this new acer_euu.exe to flash a rom with the new 3.003b oem drivers, unless of course your flashing the original 3.003b.00.EU rom =]
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] ianl8888:
Yes, Rafy, but the problem is this:

ROM 3.003b.00_EN_03.03.08 (EU version) when flashing is attempted using the stock Ace ACER_EUU.exe, just returns an "SKU_incompatible" error on existing ROM's like 2.003d (obviously a tricky-dicky language issue)

Using the modified ACER_EUU.exe version 2 from this forum throws up:

[Error Code=AcerResetApplicationRunProcessByPhoneFail]

when in download mode (flash red, screen black)

And using the modified ACER_EUU.exe version 1 from this forum just throws up the errors on all the *.bin, hex, mbn files etc missing from the new Acer ROM structure, which now just has a humungous *.amf file that the modified ACER_EUU.exe version 1 cannot read

So, what's the answer please (apart from a custom-cooked ROM) ?

NEXT DAY EDIT:

"SKU incompatible" Problem Resolved

Unbelievably simple - no need for modified ACER_EUU.exe, just a simple registry edit:

HKLM\ControlPanel\ACER\SystemInfo\Software (ROM 2.003d.01_EN_02_02.03)

relevant keys

ExtROMVer leave as is

language leave as is

Major leave as is

Minor edit 2 to 1

Then flash ROM 3.003b.00_EN_3.003.01 normally from the official Acer exe file through async

Editing the registry key "Minor" from 2 to 1 removes the SKU_incompatible error - that is, the minor ROM version from 2.003d is 02, but for 3.003b is 01. It seems that editing this Minor number to match the Minor number of the ROM to be flashed is needed to avoid the SKU_incompatible error
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] jpg1961:
Rafy,

First, congratulation and thanks for the great work you're achieving (even if I do have to confess I don't use your rom :o but stock ones). It motivates people around and allows a lot of informations on the device to be discovered/revealed/exchanged.

Well, we may worry about the amf format if for some reasons we do (I do) want to extract data from the a new ACER version rom.... Seems like for now knowledge of the afm format is only in the hands of some smart cookers.... (like.... you.... for instance....).

Any plans to share this knowledge? :)

Rgds,
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] :
Its not really anything new .amf compression has been used before many times, but yeah the extrom.bin its in that .amf file but its not getting dumped, seems like its encrypted somehow, hdubli is contacting a friend of hes to extract the new extrom.bin, i will keep you guys up to date regarding this so no worrys.
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] 3mdelgado:
Thanks a lot. In spanish, working full ok
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] Bickmista:
Snap

I too have had the sku incompatible problem but for me the experiance was slightly different, in the minor section it said 003b not 2, i found that if i changed the EN_02 in another string to EN_00 it would let me update no problem. might just have been my regedit app but cheers for the help mate :)
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] lovelybird:
i still hv the same problem of u guys~~

all the time when i want to flash to the acer UI(3.00xx)

and i push the (camera + power to the flesh mode)

seems they hv the sku incompatible problem ~~~

( i am using Rafyvitto BlacK NeO_v.3.0_3.003) and i want to change to the

acer chinese version....)

does anyone hv the same problem~?? (i am live in Hong Kong!!)
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] manzanachos:
Help, please

First, I apologize for my English. I have an acer s200 with version and I'm trying actulizar 2.003.00EN01 and pass it to the Spanish. I tried everything that you have made, including trying to edit the registry, but no parameters appear to me you tell me. No way you are showing the error and any solution worth to me. Can you tell me I'm doing wrong or how to solve it to pass to Spanish? I have downloaded all the official rom and hack euu both version 1 and v2. thanks
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] pennyyy:
how to flash Rafyvitto_Acer_s200_LEO_23519_BlacK_NeO_v.3.0 on official rom 3.0?

i successed on official 2.0.

is it the same method? I extract the official rom 3.0 then replace the ACER_EUU.exe (ACER 3.X hached).,and copy the Rafyvitto_Acer_s200_LEO_23519_BlacK_NeO_v.3.0 flash & extrom in the same directory?????

Then it can go to process......??????
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] pennyyy:
I am using the same rom with you. but i wanna change the official rom in v3.0. How can I flash the Rafyvitto BlacK NeO_v.3.0_3.003 on offical rom v3.0?
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] auntieyi:
Try this:

regedit:

HKLM\ControlPanel\ACER\SystemInfo\Software

Cust: 01

Language : TC_CSL

Major: 2

Minor: 003

Use Offical ACER_EUU.exe flash the rom
[neoTouch S200 ROM Development] Koxi82:
Hi Guys,

I'm tring to flash my phone, but i cant. It stops after i start ACER_EUU.exe.

I tried what u originally add to the flashing tool, a hacked one, nothing helps.

I have Vista with SP2.

Any idea?

Factory 3.xxx.xb worked fine.

Edit: When i changed to the hacked Acer_EUU.exe and start flashing i got this message: [ERR]EUU Image not found!

Cheers

Koxi