yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] premkang:
I agree, I think this thread needs to be put to bed. Many people have had their say but the continuous sarcasm is getting tiresome. So please, can we put and end to this unless people have some actual contributions to make on the matter.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
No we are not finished yet. There are still some who like deceiving others. I will have the results of all the ROM's with the 1ghz hack here soon and will post the results of the CPU test so everyone can see what they are doing.

Call it what you like but I don't think this kind of thing should be allowed on xda. If they have some proof to support the claim against HTC then fine bring it. But don't go around advertising our device is not a 1ghz.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zenkinz:
you are insinuating that other ROM is buggy which I strongly disagree. At least, I can speak for my own ROM, it's stable and fast, w/o the 1Ghz ROM. Just because you like the chef's (in this case Kholk) ROM, doesn't mean the rest are as bad as his (when his ROM has a problem) or better than other (when you like what he has)

open you eye, you will find that there are better ROMs out there that are far more stable and fast than his (I don't proclaim mine to be the fastest ...)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
It's not a bashing thread. But when you are a cook and you purposely are being deceitful and misleading people for the sole purpose of promoting your ROM this is wrong. Then you give up a so called 1ghz hack and later is confirmed a fake. IMHO people should be aware of this kind of activity.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Fab985:
bobsbbq i just want to remerber you what happend with your xip topic

you're acting like others did with you

i believe in kholk, i've tested on my rom his msm_clk.dll

some rom, with hack and without it and for me there is a big difference

why are you wasting your time like that?

maybe it's not 1ghz, but speed of my rom was improved

i think this topic must be closed

i'll never answer anymore
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] agent_47:
do u have benchmark to confirm ur claim? i used his file but i see no difference in performance or in batti life (as more cpu will decrease batti life off course.)

ram GLbenchmark, and the CPU index is the same with and without it. ill run an spb, but i think i already know the answer

i don wish to pour gasoline in a flaming debate, but it would be nice if someone had SOLID proof that would eliminate the thing. n i defo mean no offence to anyone...but a proof would be the best way to solve this debate. and the best way to prove a CPU clock speed is nothing but benchmark :)

here is what u do:

1. cook a rom with the dll and bench it

2. cook the same rom without the dll n no other change and bench it

3. compare :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Look with all respect to you as a chef, this is not the same. If you are seeing a result that it fine use it, but to advertise that you have a magical cure to make our device perform at 1ghz without proof and that HTC have release our device with with 30% less CPU speed you are saying to everyone don't believe what's on the box. Believe me because I have found a hack to make it 1ghz so use my ROM.

Look you should open your eyes and reread this thread. It has been proven by many to be a fake. So why advertise something that is known to be a fake? With the new CPU test app it has just confirmed it all again.

In the end you can believe what you want but the users have a right to know when people are lying or being deceived. Stay tuned your ROM will be in the test results too.

Look at first we all thought is was good. But as soon as I found out it was even a chance to be a fake hack I removed all mention of it from my ROM threads. I will not falsely advertise something that is not true.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] DJGurth:
?

i was referring to kholks ROM rc reworked nobody else's rom, I'm not saying other roms are bad but what I am saying is that his is noticeably faster.

no more no less now lets close this thread please
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
You are right but even with this there are room for errors. The best proof we have at this point is the CPU app built by shadrac. It puts all Priority to the CPU and nothing else can effect it. I can't explain any more in detail but he can if needed. So since several of us have already done this with ROM cooked with and without the .dll in our own ROM's with no difference. Now to totally disprove the hack we just have to flash the ROM's with the hack included and run the same test on them and post the results. If they are the same then the debate is over. And anyone continuing to advertise it is just misleading the users.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
OK this is the first of 3 ROM's I'm testing with the CPU test app. All of these ROM's claim to have a hack which enables our Leo to go from 700 something mhz to 1ghz with the hack. Since many of us here have determined the supposed hack driver file is Identical to our stock file there has been controversy over the validity of this claim. Myself and several others have tested with and without this driver with the same CPU Test app and we see no improvements. So now to try and put this to rest I'm testing the ROM's as published with there 1ghz hack to see if there is any difference to support the claim. Since it is not my intention to single out any one cook other than the creator of the hack so I will not mention the names of these ROM's at this point.

First this is my Result to use as a base. This was without the 1ghz hack driver.

100000000 loops

32768

1156308

This is the Result of one of the published 1ghz Hack ROM's (No Difference)---------------------------Second Result of another ROM with (No difference)

Third and Final ROM and again (No Difference)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zenkinz:
all I can say you have not tried enough rom...:cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] chaps:
Good work Bobsbbq. It doesn't matter how much hard evidence you show, and theres been plenty shown here, there will always be those who want to believe this hack is for real. A quick read of the threads for the roms with this fake hack shows that.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Ok the test are done and I think it is clear now. So if you see a ROM cook advertising this 1 ghz hack just beware, if they will lie or deceive about this what else is not legit?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Fab985:
For your happiness i'll remove in my topic the 1ghz hack features

but i'll put it in my rom anyway, because i believe in kholk and in his work, you can call it like you want mod, tweak, hack, but in my rom speed was increased

thanks for the respect :D, but i know i'm not a great chef, maybe for this reason i can feel the differences

i don't use any tweaks for speed like extendir or some registry key ecc, but my rom is fast like the others

i don't have donations link, so i don't write about hack in my rom's topic for make money or cheat other user

The only reason is that i believe in this speed increasing

in this place there a lot of other bigger problem, and i'm disappointed to see, how many resource are used for this stupid thing, when disgusting things happens and no one talk about it.

How many project are discontinued after take a lot of donations?

i'm OT now, so is better i shut my mouth

Sorry for my english

Greatings Fabio
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] djet:
For those who are just feeling a difference (knowing is better, huh?).

Make a damn blind test.

The results will be surprising.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ebliss:
to be scientifically accurate, you should do a double blinded trial.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] DJGurth:
ha ha

just like with my diamond I install roms all the time I like duttys roms always have but as of now like I said kholks rom is m mega fast.

I would love to know the exact reason why my self hack or no hack but it is

im no chef but I know what works well

maybe one day we will know the real reason of all this but for now as far as im concerned he can call it what he likes and so can anybody else.

are we finished now?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] monx®:
i think this thread should be closed. no need to hack anything to increase the snapdragon speed. its already as is. we need hack to boost graphic performance n thanks to chainfire. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
No it shouldn't be closed, as long as someone is claiming without any proof that people need to use his ROM to get the full CPU speed.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ebliss:
The threads that should be closed are those claiming that they are using the 1GHz "hack" in their cooked ROMs because they are misleading people.

Thanks to HTC, we have a 1GHz device. And thanks to microsoft (I think), we have the wonderful dll that magically works wonders in some ROMs which "felt" faster. So, it's not the chef's credit.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lude219:
It's amazing that we have people like Fab985 and DJgurth advocating the legitimacy of such hacks when NOTHING HAS BEEN PROVEN otherwise that the hack works. Jesus Christ, it's okay that you're defending kholk and whatnot, but I, along with many others here, want to know the truth.

I don't think it's helping the least bit when false information is spread on this board. It's okay if it feels fast to you, but feeling fast is different from knowing that it's fast. Take your blind allegiance elsewhere and let this thread live.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I have already explained the reason his rOM's feel faster but so many of you would not open your eyes and read, and read ,and see the test I posted.

Extendir is new and not many people know about it. In the LEO section I think myself and Kholk are the only ones using it currently on published ROM's. SO kholk was smart in combining Extendir together with the fake hack as then people would believe it. Extendir can increase some aspects of the system up to 12 %. Just go read fo your self.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=530710

There are a lot of a lot of things you can do with Extendir, but there are also some prices to pay for it as well. Myself kwbr Shadrac, and many others working together in the beginning discovered that if you place the Extendir driver before some other XIP drivers the speed is very fast, but you loose stability and problems syncing notes and things with storage card. We also found a way to change the orders of different XIP drivers to allow some benefit but also be stable. Kholk chooses the faster approach, This and maybe some other tweaks he has can make the ROM fast but I can assure you it is not because he has 25% more CPU power than the rest of us.

That was with Extendir V1 now that Extendir V2 is near release will will see major changes and these same fast results ( actually even faster) without any stability problems, thanks to shaDrac.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Thank you for at least seeing some of the light. You are a good cook and please don't tarnish you image by misleading others.

Maybe you are a better cook than you think, You ROM is nice, Although not in my Language. I think you are seeing a placebo effect with the 1ghz hack file. Here is you ROM I flashed and the results of the CPU test are the same as with any other stock ROM.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] donalgodon:
Could it be that the stock ROM simply clocks down the processor when it is not needed to run at top speed and that the benchmark tests don't reflect this, since the processor ramps to 1GHz and the "1GHz hack" simply makes the processor run at top speed all the time which could explain why the UI seems faster in some of these "hacked" ROMs?

Do users experience shorter battery life on the "1GHz hacked" ROMs?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] elyl:
Unlikely. The most likely explanation is kholk made up a story about 768MHz, then miraculously came out with a "hack" to enable 1GHz just so he could peddle his ROM.

I see he's still advertising the 1GHz hack for his ROM, which is kind of pathetic. I'd be in favour of banning things like that from the forum, but I think it's more of a punishment having your peers sneer at you. :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] donalgodon:
I'd assume that the Snapdragon has some pretty sophisticated ramping strategies, as it is a pretty advanced processor, and almost every desktop and portable processor uses some form of ramping as a power-saving feature. Does anyone have a white paper on the Snapdragon?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] the_scotsman:
Looks like NRG has included the "hack" in his latest ROM...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] donalgodon:
I see....

From my perceptive, the real "proof" would be based on battery consumption. The benchmark tools can be fooled because of the data streaming techniques, so they may not be accurate, but there would be no way to produce greater speed from the processor without increasing its battery consumption. Ramping is a trade off, because just like any other computer, the Snapdragon does not need to run at top-speed the enitre time to get the job done, so to speak.

Have users reported on battery life? I have not seen much about this, and it would seem to be an inescapable reality, unless someone has figured out how to defy thermodynamic principles in the process.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
No this cPU TEST was designed to load the CPU, read back a few pages the guy who developed it made it so no interference from memory or other process can interfere. And it has already been measured effectively on other devices like the Diamond with slower results because of slower CPU speed. Everything has been proven that this was a fake. And I agree to make such a bold statement that our HTC was operating at 30% less CPU without proof should not be allowed. Now all it does is mislead new users and spreads bad information on the board
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
I don't get it, if someone does a conjecture it is up to him to prove it. So all we need is Kholk to enter this discussion and give his brilliant prove.

For me the hack is mystic, irrational nonsense.

I claim that the earth will explode on april 1. Up to you to prove i'm wrong :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] g.lewarne:
the earth cant explode or even implode. there is not enough fissable or fusionable mass at the core to cause an explosion of sufficient magnitude, nor is there enough overall mass to cause an implosion.

short of the sun blowing up (much more likely in the long run) or a giant planet sized rock hitting us, the earth is here to stay, regardless of what we do to it and its general condition.

:)

regardless, i do believe the "mystical all powerful 1 gigglehurts" hack to be complete nonesense.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] the_scotsman:
All it needs is for kohlk to explain what the hack does....and the fact that he keeps hiding away from it tells me it's utter nonsense...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] g.lewarne:
i think the lack of explanation speaks for itself!

if he cannot prove it, which so far he has not, i think it should be considered as fact that it is a load of bull
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
Seen the movie 2012? It can happen... Again, the earth will explode on april 1.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] g.lewarne:
no it cant!!! dont believe hollywood, cos dont forget, they also use the 1ghz hack in the rendering servers.

anyway, i have a PHD in particle physics, so trust me, the earth cant blow up ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
That's not enough! I have won a nobel price in metaphysics ;) and I tell you: the ... earth... will .. explode on april 1
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
He already tried and said the proof was his ROM. lol So he uses Extendir to make it faster to cover the hack.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] g.lewarne:
there are also plenty of reg tweaks that can improve performance too!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pablo11:
This is getting kinda old now guys:rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NetRipper:
I made a small test app as I'm playing with cpu clock a bit and thought I'd share this for the sake of this thread.

The app calculates the cpu speed from the processor registers directly, without the use of any htc or windows mobile dlls (so no faking). There's a button to start a stress test. It starts a few threads doing some calculations that (in my case) always gets the cpu up to 1ghz (well 998 mhz to be exact) almost immediately.

I suppose you can use this to test if you're afraid your rom does not go above 768mhz. In my experience, it always goes up to 998mhz when stressed.

Pics:

http://www.netripper.com/leo/cpuspeed/qsd_768mhz.png

http://www.netripper.com/leo/cpuspeed/qsd_998mhz.png

Download (unpack to device and run):

http://www.netripper.com/leo/cpuspeed/LeoCpuSpeed_v1.zip
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mamv:
Nice job NetRipper...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] the_scotsman:
lol nice...nail in the coffin ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Nice I will try later Today. I'm sure this will put another nail in the coffin for all those cook who wish to mislead people. And for the person who started all this. well I can't comment on that.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] smuppy:
Some more tests from non-leo devices...

HTC Athena 7510, Michyprimas custom ROM

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BPCF: 1000 (??)

Counts: 60425

Loops: 100.000.000

Diamond2, Energy TOPAZ 23518 Standard M2.5 Feb 01, 2010

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BPCF: 19200000

Counts: 1528858208

Loops: 100.000.000

Handheld Nautiz X5 (CPU: Marvell PXA3xx, 806Mhz, 256/512 Ram/Rom, Winmo 6.1 pro)

-------------------------------------------------------------------

BPCF: 3250000

Counts: 196158028

Loops: 100.000.000

Leo, stock 1.66 WWE ROM

-------------------------------------------------------------------

BPCF: 32768

Counts: 1157499

Loops: 100.000.000
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] seatone:
Hopefully the last one, cos this 1 GHz "hack" is getting damned boring...:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] djet:
Here are some my observations.

First time I started LCS it showed me constant 768MHz no matter the load was. The battery was below 50%.

Second time I made a reboot, the charged raised battery level above 50%, it scaled up to 912 MHz.

When charging was complete scaling work from 768 to 998 MHz.

These tests were one-timers so it may be just a coincidence, gonna test more.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] smuppy:
Just tried LCS and can confirm the results of NetRipper, shows 768 constant and while under stress, climbs straight up to 998.

Batterylevel at 78% so cant help confirming djets test though, at least not yet ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ShaDrac:
Thanks for those results! :)

It shows that our Snapdragon is actualy a very good CPU! :cool:

Based on your testresults:

The HTC Athena 7510 must run at 1067MHz to be as fast as our Snapdragon,

The Diamond2 must run at 1190MHz

And the Handheld Nautiz X5 at 1377MHz!!!

Enjoy,

ShaDrac
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NetRipper:
You know what's funny? Start coreplayer and let it play a movie in the background (you need to change a setting for this, otherwise it stops per default). Then start LeoCpuSpeed and look at the clock speed going up and down like crazy. My video playback on coreplayer for an mp4 movie is horrible, now I get why. Sometimes it even downscales to like 400mhz, while the movie is playing poorly. When it's up to 998mhz for a few seconds, the movie plays back fine. Weird that it would do that. :)

Unrelated to the 1ghz stuff, I know. Still funny.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Max_Terrible:
Marvelous application. Mine constantly reads 998MHz, but that doesn't bother me too much.

I was wondering whether you would consider further development of the application? It could really come very handy. Maybe add a log feature to log results over a period of time to check CPU utilization in different applications. Could you also maybe make a VGA version and add support for a few other processors? It would be really awesome.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] smuppy:
+1 for that. I tried it on my TD2 and Athena 7500 and 7510 and the Nautiz X5 and saw some nice results, got ~260000 Mhz on my Athena ;) Crashed on the TD2. So support for more CPU's would be extremly nice.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NetRipper:
Sorry, this is just a test app. I'm not going to develop it further for other processors. This app only works on QSD8x50 processors. The TD2 has an MSM7k.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] djet:
Strange, couldn't reproduce battery level dependency secobd time.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] agent_47:
oooo.....i was thinking may be u can add the feature to log cpu usage as well in a text file or something :)..offcourse in that case u have to change ur mind on "not going to develop" :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sebastianmc:
768 to 1ghz... Fake... totally fake...

Hi folks.. I did some benchmarks (coreplayer and sktools) and nothing change with the Netripper app...

So, HD2 uses 1ghz when needed without hacks... :)

I ll test some rom with "1ghz hack" and let u know if my benchs shows some difference...

EDIT.. with a rom 1ghz hacked.. nothing changed in benchs... its really fake! HD2 cpu runs at 1ghz when it needs..!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
kholk also created a 1ghz hack for the TD2? :p :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Max_Terrible:
I didn't know about that one, but he also has a ROM for the Touch Diamond which is "overclocked" to 712MHz. I wonder where he gets all these "hacks" and abilities to "overclock", but no one else uses it... To me that is clear evidence that what he uses or does either doesn't work or breaks the device, and that's why no one else uses them.

I wanted to download the Eugenia ROM for my girlfriend's TD to try the overclocking thing, but I decided against it, because it would either not work or break the TD.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mnet:
I checked it and it seems he is using no2chem's overclocking tool for msm7200a (without giving credit). This is actually a proven working tool.

An overclocking tool for the snapdragon will probably come soon -- by people who are actually interested in hardware hacks, rather than misleading people into using their roms...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
LOL nice, my ROM needs it all the time then :D the tool always displays 998 mhz on my ROM :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
That's kinda interesting though :) What would make the cpu on your devices to run full speed all the time? Is it an app you guys installed?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Not that I am aware off.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] appelflap:
But doesn't that bother you? I guess it will have a negative impact on the battery.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ebliss:
I had constant 998 reading too yesterday, not sure why. After soft-reset, it is back to "normal", ie 768 at rest and up to 998 when stressed.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
None what so ever actually. Battery does perform pretty ok, I can go 4 days without a recharge.