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[HD2 General] lude219:
Glad to see that there are several people in here with their head in check. The amount of frivolous accusation and idiocy exemplified here is a clear indication at the kind of people who would venture onto these boards. Clearly, for the ones who couldn't stop *****ing and lamenting, it seems as though they have more money than brains, and deservedly so, think that they got "screwed" over this personal deal between TmobileUSA and HTC.

Crying foul when you're not even in the US?

Crying foul when it's a special order by TmobileUSA?

Crying foul because they get a phone half a year after you did?

Stupid is as stupid does.
[HD2 General] bulanula:
How do you know it is called HD2b ?
[HD2 General] Archer:
VERY valid point mate. I'd be more inclined to be angry if I was in the US and didn't want to go with TMO. At least the HD2b would be pretty useless to me in the UK.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
NOT a typo. Look at the device picture, it also has colored keys !

What HTC is doing is completely UNETHICAL !! :eek:

It's like New HD2 vs Old HD2 !

WTF and for THE SAME PRICE!

I TOLD YOU WE WERE BETA TESTERS !!
[HD2 General] BigT:
According to All about Microsoft, the specs for WinMo 7 are 256 megs of Ram and 512 of Rom for the OS. With that US upgrade, IMHO WinMo7 will perform a lot better because of the ram-update...
[HD2 General] hjoci:
But its the same device, with better parameters.
[HD2 General] Peteret:
I personally think the colored keys spoil the executive look of this phone.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
and just to cap it off they're listing the box contents to include a 16GB sd card!:mad: I'm ever so glad they were generous enough to give me a 2gb one...if/when we find out our "old" models aren't capable of running winmo7 the brown sticky stuff will hit the rotary oscillator...
[HD2 General] Funk2641:
It's not "unethical". HTC can make changes to any product, anytime they want to. You agree to this when you buy any product. This happens all the time in the tech world, Sony did it with the PS3 Slim, Microsoft did it with XBOX 360 improvements, and HTC is doing it with their HD2.
[HD2 General] lude219:
What kind of world do most of you guys living in? HTC doesn't need to explain ****. For all we know, Tmobile USA probably forked over a lot of money for the added RAM&ROM because of the installation limitation with Marketplace...or maybe certain Tmobile USA apps/programs require more RAM to run smoothly.

Whatever the case may be, use some common sense. Technology is constantly evolving and so does the economy of scales (look it up if you're clueless), so things become cheaper to produce and manufactured. And frankly, after waiting for 5-6months for the phone to reach US soil, I think it's well deserved.
[HD2 General] Tanmay®:
This is really heart breaking! I just purchased the HD2 not even 2 weeks back! Atleast people who bought their HD2s in 2010 should be given a free replacement! Otherwise a lot of people are going to feel cheated!

Its not only the Updated ROM/RAM, the TMobile version also ships with a 16Gb MSD card!
[HD2 General] xenept:
Its shocking that they released it so soon!

If you aren't happy, I suggest you email them and give them a piece of your mind.

How many of us would have waited a month or so to get a superior product? I understand new products arrive all the time, but not within a few months!

Here's the UK HTC site if you want to lodge a complaint:

http://www.htc.com/uk/about_htc_bymail.aspx
[HD2 General] Funk2641:
Thank you. This post makes perfect sense.
[HD2 General] ralphfx:
I just love that expression :D

Why would HTC upgrade the hardware and sell the device as one and the same HD2?? Out of memory chips perhaps? Or do we "old" HD2 owners indeed have the same hardware, but software limited? There has to be something more behind it..?
[HD2 General] Tanmay®:
No, the Official Windows Mobile 7 Chassis 1 Requirements mention that the device should have atleast 1Gb ROM and 512Mb RAM which now this HD2 meets!

My heart is paining :(
[HD2 General] Archer:
ROFL!

Did you actually check the specs before writing this? Let me answer - No.

Hahaha - PS3 slim is an upgrade REALLY ROFPML!
[HD2 General] Funk2641:
Uh, did you? The PS3 slim is more energy efficient, and has a faster Bluray drive. Sucks being wrong, doesn't it?
[HD2 General] ralphfx:
May be, but there are no PS3 slim ONLY games...
[HD2 General] hjoci:
Yeah, but the normal PS3, can run any games, the ''core'' hardware is the same.

This is totally different about winmo7
[HD2 General] Archer:
I dunno mate - tell me about it.
[HD2 General] Megacamz:
Yes this is the point i was making, Like a games console.... If i bought a ps3 at launch then a few months later they released one with more ram and a bigger ROM chip so it could play improved games and have better firmware features...i'd be mega pissed, Just like with the HD2
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Something guys you are not understanding is that the "old" HD2 is still being sold for 850$ it has not been discontinued, it is still supposed to be a top notch high end product. I can't understand how could 2 HTC devices have the same price but one with better specifications. It is not that it was modded, such improvements are critical for future upgrades...
[HD2 General] Megacamz:
In fact it is a slower drive than the original in some aspects, some games load quicker and Blu-ray movies load slower.

Granted it does use less power.
[HD2 General] suicidal.banana:
Bscly (afaik that happened, which is also why i made the rather bold comparison between phone and console)

But ye, ill stop participating in this thread now, guess i did kinda 'over-rant', and while some people did get my point, others seem to think its normal to use your customers like that.

My personal conclusion; If the 'new' HD2 turns out to run much better and/or the 'old' doesnt get wm7, i could always sell my current and get a new HD2, and if it doesnt, guess i should start doing what i joined for, install better roms etc (i still run stock everything since i kinda hoped to find a official wwe 1.61 on the HTC site somewhere around new years, now im starting to realize how silly that expectation is...)
[HD2 General] Archer:
"It's been comfirmed in an email from HTC" is a false statment and I do not confirm it to be true.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yeah. A bit of perspective and we realise, we've still got one of the best handheld devices in the world!
[HD2 General] bulanula:
Then we are truly SHAFTED !!! Will it come to EU ? Probably not. Can anyone check out this thread and flash the new ROM and see if the junky HD2 got 576 RAM as well ? Thanks :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622964&page=16
[HD2 General] gabbs:
it seems some of you guys love HTC (the company) more than HD2 (your phone)..
[HD2 General] Archer:
Nah mate - the HD2b is TMO USA only. It definitely will not be coming to the EU. You can always buy one when they come out, but don't expect a 3G signal to work.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
And, more important, we've had it several months earlier than those people in the US.

It's only natural that after several months a device with better specs is released.

And again some months later, another device with better specs will be released.

You could always wait... or just accept the fact that technology is evolving.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
T-Mobile USA has WCDMA/HSPA: 1700 MHz (AWS) / 2100 MHz bands. One for uplink, one for downlinkProprietary Period. Must have both, not one or the other.

3G will not work on any other USA Carriers. Period

Phones/networks/carriers in USA are not the same as other countires. Each carrier has their "Own" network standards and frequencies

For example, AT&T will work on the AUS HD2 T9193. This is why many USA Customers import the AUS HD2 T9193

The EUR/Asian HD2 T8585 WIll NOT work on any 3G newtorks in USA. Period. Only GSM and Edge

You must understand, This new HD2 USA is made for and will be used and only compatible for ONLY T-Mobile USA. Not AT&T,Verizon,etc.

You can not change the tx/rx on the mainboard of the phone, and to import one to the other countires would be a loss. No 3G, Maybe edge, compatible with only some GSM.

All this anger and hostility about this phone, which is one that is not even compatible with EUR/Asian Markets. HTC needed to make a phone that worked in USA, this is the result.

Until USA and the FCC get their head on straight, make mandates for universal interchange between carries, same frequncies, This is how it will be.

Be happy you had the HD2 6 + months before USA customers could even dream of owning one. Secondly, EUR/Asian Markets will get the next best device, what ever it is called ( Example: HD3) before USA. And the game starts all over again.

HD2 USA T-Mobile is being shipped ( from the offical HTC site, not rumors) with Windows Mobile 6.5. No where is it said or promised that it gets Windows Mobile 7. Anything else is just rumors

Hope this helps you understand

Monnie
[HD2 General] Jack E:
I think this is all blown out of proportion, we have had no problem with our current ROM and RAM amounts so why the fuss. I admit I will be disappointed if the HD2b gets Windows Mobile 7 and ours doesn't but it isn't the end of the world.
[HD2 General] Archer:
At least it's got a different name now. HD2b is much better than "the better HD2" lol

Totally mate. There's nothing wrong with my phone, so I'm happy.
[HD2 General] lude219:
You dare bringing logic and common sense into this thread? Blasphemy!!:p
[HD2 General] gabbs:
so we complain and they add b to the name..LOL..we spoke too soon..
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
Thanks for the reply, i began to read post after post after post and all i read was complaints on moaning, so i got tired and skiped the rest and just posted my question. :)

Pitty to hear though.... but i have not missed any RAM or have had any memory problems yet. But what can make me angry is IF we old HD2 users don't get an WiMo 7 update because of this memory thing...

But on the other hand, who says WinMo is better than WinMo 6.5?

That remains to be discovered when it arrives....
[HD2 General] gabbs:
never had to shift cache unto storage card?

never had to install programs that would run better on main storage unto storage card?

seem like you've got yourself one of those htc hd2b lol:D
[HD2 General] Jack E:
Nah, i'm fine with the read speed of my SD and i'v always installed apps on it.
[HD2 General] DuoM:
It will probably work because it's 1700 (AWS) / 2100. Most of the world uses 2100 so it would make sense to implement this fully.

Also it would be totally crazy to produce a 3G GSM phone that could ONLY work on the T-Mobile USA frequency (actually I think that 3 other countries also have a network using this band). I think that it would also be the first 3G handset from T-Mobile USA that couldn't be used abroad for 3G and would probably negate the marketing value of that boost in RAM and ROM.

You may as well go and get a phone on an American CDMA network and, oh wait even they now try to offer "World Phones" with the 2100 MHz frequency and GSM SIM card slots for use abroad.

As I said, I think that it will work abroad.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Happy to be corrected mate. I don't think I'll be rushing out to buy one though ;)
[HD2 General] firaX:
The EU Version does not work on 3G in the US, either. I know cause i've taken mine there! So why should the US Version work with 3G in europe? Makes no sense... Who the hell uses 3G abroad anyways. I don't know about you, but for me it would cost me 1EUR / min roaming fee!
[HD2 General] Archer:
It was just a discussion about whether or not it would be viable to buy the HD2b if you didn't live in the US. That's all.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
htc email desk jockey - " hey boss, twenty angry emails about the tmo release"

htc email section head - "hmmm go see what the forums are saying."

5 minutes browsing and a phone call later....

htc head of marketing - "the new tmo exclusive phone will be the hd2b"

____________________

bet if everyone had kept calm and quiet and emailed them privately theyd have sent the dissidents a free memory card.
[HD2 General] Archer:
lol.

I guess there's no such thing as bad publicity!
[HD2 General] DuoM:
Me neither. Any hardware fixes for problems should make it into both lines. Other than that, while the RAM/ROM upgrades are nice to have loosing the 900 band in favour of the 1700 band is a downside for me.
[HD2 General] spoogedemon:
how long does it takes form the iphone to the 3g?

for sure, it´s not the big difference in here, but there it is big enough to stay angry for a hugh while.

i´m a htc-fan-boy from the first hour, but this is such a shame, only something about 2 month after release. :mad:

i really hope, the hardware is identical, and we will use the full capacity after a little hotfix. :)

or

the hd2b (or whatever it will be offcial be called) will never getting available on the european market. :o

but let´s say, the first one is much more welcome.
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
Since I'm T-Mobile US customer, I'm really happy that TMO finally gets great WinMo phone. We did not get HTC HD, remember ? :)

Now my concern is that TMO US will bundle HD2b with expensive ($30/month) data plan like they did with G1
[HD2 General] D4rkangel:
can someone who read since page 1 outline now the main points since this 40 pages?

are now these differences there yes or no ?

and If yes european will be without win7 or what ?

and and and ...
[HD2 General] Archer:
That's a very generous offer mate - go for it :)
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
Buy it outright and you can get the unlimited Voice/Data for $69.99
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
I have limited FAMILY plan for $50 + $5.99 on one line for GPRS/Edge (which works for me). I dont mind staying with same plan/pricing but get HD2 on TMO US. as I said ... IF they bundle it with expensive 3G data plan, then I have to buy it from eBay :( for MUCH more money :(
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the thread began to be meaning less
[HD2 General] freyberry:
The thread has been meaningless from the beginning, starting with its title.
[HD2 General] Archer:
But it has been one of the fastest growing threads I've seen in a looooooong time! The HD2b really has attracted all sorts of "people" lol
[HD2 General] deyanp:
Would you return your HD2 if you could?

I can do it (till end of this week) and that would be because of a combination of crackling speaker and the news about the US HD2, which lowers dramatically the probability for my HD2 to get WM7. The problem is I have to get back to a dumbphone and wait up to an year until the next good phone pops up ...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
yes it is growing in a mysterious way
[HD2 General] Archer:
If I had a fault with it, then I'd return it on that basis.

As far as a different country and a different network getting what's been labelled as a different handset, nah mate. The one I have is superb and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now!

Seriously, try and get a replacement if you've got problems, or you'll be stuck with a phone you're not happy with.
[HD2 General] wookashpyka:
What are you talking about? You get no WM7 guarantees even with the US version, besides for the first half of year or so there will be very little apps for the new OS. If you approach the topic this way, you may stick with your dumbphone till the end of your natural born life.
[HD2 General] lutanica:
Ignored info !

This US HD2 is 2mm longer :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
Correction.... the HD2b is 2mm longer ;)
[HD2 General] deyanp:
Well, thanks for the life estimation, but I do hope I live more than 1 year more ;) That is also the timeframe for MS finally getting WM7 out, and if not, then Android doesn't bite, does it? ;)
[HD2 General] moneysaver05:
made me feel better!!!
[HD2 General] umiss:
It's only a natural reaction to be a bit upset because of this.

I don't see the big problem?

One obviously buys the HD2 to get the best of the best.

Suddenly an identical handset shows up, perfectly matching the requirements of WinMo 7, which could as well been the original HD2.

Did you see the bold words? I think that's what's upsetting people.

It would obviously be a whole other story if it was a completely different handset...

It's not that difficult to understand this reaction. Seriously...

Simply: That could have been mine! Why didn't they make mine like that. It's so fit for WinMo 7. It looks like mine, it costs as much, it has (had) the same name... Obviously HTC didn't think much about their customers if they didn't prepare their phones for further upgrade.

You can argue that past handsets have been like that, but it doesn't justify anything. On the other hand their customer feels betrayed. Doesn't matter if this is HTC's style or not. It's common sense...
[HD2 General] Archer:
The HD2b is more in line with the rumoured requirements for WM7, but the HD2 is matches the rumoured minimum requirements for WM7, so I don't really see a big deal.

I do think that you're partly right though, and also there's some people that are just jealous of a better device because they like having "the best", and suddenly this b version comes along and there's isn't "the best" any more.

I also believe that there's a lot of rational people that are just a bit peeved they didn't know about this sooner, as they may have waited till it was released before signing an 18 or 24 month contract.

Either way. HD2b or not HD2b, that is the question ;) (I think I'll send that to HTC marketing lol)
[HD2 General] djngal:
johncmolyneux i can see from all your posts that u got a great sense of humor :p

and im sure you heard about the new HD2c thats awaits in the corner and its gonna be released in australian market only and houses the new qualcomm chip that is 64bit capable :eek:

(I made this last bit up) Not only johncmolyneux can write hidden text... muhahahahaha
[HD2 General] dashrink:
I kind of understand everyone here. I have been following this thread and its fast growth for a lill time now, and my conclusion is this: I feel kind of frustrated about the fact that usa gets the bulkier leo, but it would be a lot worse to get it 6 months after the initial release! Lets face it. When ever you buy electronics, something better is just around the corner. Oh and another thing. How would you guys feel if you found out that the us model had an Amoled screen, 8mp cam and 1,3mhz snapdragon?

Im just sayin'. Think about that.
[HD2 General] umiss:
May it be rumoured or not, obviously that's still the source of the anger.

I'm new to HTC, but for any other product I buy I expect full service, and that has always been the case. Be it computer parts or whatever.

There may be lots of reasons, like the one you mentioned about ppl signing long contracts.

These reasons may even be false, as to the speculations about the requirements of WinMo 7. I mean, we might not even get that upgrade, it's all speculations.

But still, it's due to these reasons that we get this (natural) reaction. I don't see why ppl are throwing words at those who became upset by these "news".
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yes, but let's keep it our little secret, eh? ;)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Yeah, really good humor for a thread like this :D
[HD2 General] rebecker:
As an owner of the HD2 for slightly over ONE MONTH, I totally agree. I didn't expect technology to stop when I bought the phone any more than I expected it to stop 2 years ago when I bought my TyTN II. Come on. I've never read more childish gibberish in my life. Let's all hope the HD3 comes out in August.

-Bob-
[HD2 General] exbros:
What's going on ???

Am I blind or 75% of posts just disappeared? ;)

Big clean-up LOL
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It's rather October. But When the HD3 comes, we in Europe will likely get it a lot earlier than those in the US who now get the HD2b.

Does this give those people in the US the right to complain that, some months after they bought their HD2b, the HD3 comes out?
[HD2 General] papito007:
you are so right it's what t-mobile USA wants in their phones for their customers HTC is only giving them the parts to upgrade their phones for exsiting customers and hopefully bring in new customers as well it's a marketing plan that has been well thought out by t-mobile USA.. :)
[HD2 General] marius_c1:
The issue is that overall Leo has too many problems

I have also a HD, never had problems with it, Leo really is a nightmare. So I understand all the people pissed off here. It's getting too much, and you really feel like a beta tester for their alfa version of Sence and all the Hardware problems.

I am also tired to search the forum, for fixes and workarounds for a such expensive phone. Look at the "trips and tricks" ( soon 100 :) ).

I don't know if it is just me, but Leo is a failure (comparing specs and what people expected and what in reality behaves)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It's just you. That thing works a lot better than I expected.

And no, I can not at all understad the people who are pissed at the fact that technology is evolving. Those people here are just morons.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
SD Card not showing...

Can i just ask you guys a question?!

Can you see how much your SD card have available and so on?

Mine shows up empty when i use HTC software, but the SD card IS there when looking at it with e.g Resco File explorer.

Look at the picture:
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Wrong thread, this is no thread for seriuos questions. :p

But yes, it should show that information and that works for me.
[HD2 General] umiss:
Did they just develop these new chips within a 1.5 months of the release or were they chosen not to be implemented. It's a great difference!
[HD2 General] freyberry:
There's no difference at all. Those chips got cheaper, TMO wanted a special version etc. That's how technology and business work.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
I think it's serious enough :)

Thanks for asking, now i got another problem :)

When will they end with this device?

Hope it's only my Swedish device, i will ask some swedish guys and see.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Stop hijacking the thread mate. Start your own.
[HD2 General] s21s20:
Found the following post on whirlpool forum which should bring you all back to earth.

"Just saw this

pocketnow.com/thought​/htc-diamond3-to-run-media-edition-of-windows-mobile-7

If the specs and information is real then notice this part:

-Memory (RAM/ROM): 512MB/512MB

Which means that the HD2 has a very good chance in getting WinMo7 especially since the ROM in the HD2 is 'fast' which is one of the requirememts."
[HD2 General] Archer:
Nice find mate. It's obviously still speculation, but isn't it all until it's confirmed and in someone's hand! I really don't see that extra ROM & RAM make that much difference, which is probably why the device is now designated HD2b, rather than a different name completely.
[HD2 General] pablo11:
I just paid $700 AU dollars for mine outright. I thought it was cheap and now I know why. They have released a beefed up version.

Gutted.

F##ki#g HTC bollox!!!!!!!!!!!!

(bloody good phone anyway so I wont get too upset)
[HD2 General] HushH:
Has anyone actually seen the price of this device? I think everyone is assuming the price will be the same as the current HD2, but I haven't seen any confirmation of that. It is possible that it may carry a premium that will reflect the upgraded hardware.
[HD2 General] alexsql:
What if

I guess everyone here will be even more pissed off if it is priced closer to Nexus One price, which I am inclined to believe it will be.
[HD2 General] Cass67:
Something inside me tells me that the ram is software locked for the gen 1 HD2 .. This reason is the spec of the GooglePhone (the messiah)(the super phone)(the phone of all phones) .. now what would the big G have said if HTC had released a month or 2 before a phone with better specs ?

for the moment i am happy with my HD2 .. nothing can touch it .. especially coming from the iPhone world !!

It is entierly possible a soft unlock is coming for the ram (what we have seen so far is true ?? or not ??) .. I may be talking **** but hey im a glass half full chap not half empty .. Companies are ****s after all, shake that money maker etc .. :D

Time wil tell if we are shafted, at them moment im chosing not to be ..