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[Nexus One General] JanetPanic:
Not conclusive proof but:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=3bc418e9a4869ba8&hl=en

This was the post (by a google employee) that made me question my assumption that the N1 used gorilla glass.
[Nexus One General] StuMcBill:
Interesting video here (www .youtube. com/watch?v=6sOlWVCAqwo) from androidcentral.com regarding the touch screen issue.
[Nexus One General] vido.ardes:
Brilliant, someone comes to the forum with a genuine technical hardware issues, and the little fanboys and girls stomp there feet and throw their toys out of the pram... your all worse than apple fanboys.

As for the issue, I find it quite interesting that Google release an update enabling "multi-touch" when there does appear to be a genuine distinction between dual-touch and multi touch... I guess Google didn't want to let that bit of info slip. It's a shame, I wonder how much more a true multitouch screen would have cost?
[Nexus One General] JAW$:
Does the Desire have the exact same Multi Touch problems as the Nexus One
[Nexus One General] gforr:
Yes. Acer Liquid also
[Nexus One General] kokoon:
so, is there any info on upcoming android devices that would use a true multitouch sensor? i'm talking 10 fingers and yes, i need that.
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
And you can't spell for **** :D Even us fanboys can.

Regarding the issue - MultiTouch Visualizer app actually proves that it's NOT dual-touch, but Multi-Touch.

Try putting 3 fingers down, it registers movements of all 3 of them. Granted, even testing that is cumbersome, can't imagine why would you need to do that really.. But just in case you do - N1 does indeed register it.

As far as some people complaining about it being glitchy or insufficient, I have never noticed that, my multitouch effects are flawless (N1, end of March)... if you have any - it'll probably be fixed with software updates in upcoming FroYo.
[Nexus One General] flarbear:
When I try more than 2 fingers with the MT Visualizer app on my early January T-Mobile N1 with stock 2.1 update 1 ROM it really goes south. It draws the "pinch circle/rectangles" not even anywhere near any of my fingers.

Which version of the MT Visualizer app are you using and on what ROM?
[Nexus One General] fahim_k:
I downloaded an air hockey game recently from the market, but it is almost impossible to play 2 player using multi-touch. Every few seconds the paddles would get confused with players finger was where, maybe its the games fault but it certainly was a dissapointment.
[Nexus One General] JHaste:
if HTC/Google released a batch of early phones with bunk touch sensors im going to raise hell
[Nexus One General] PacoBell:
You're delirious. It does no such thing on my brand new AT&T N1 with MultiTouch Visualizer. Quit talking out of your arse. Fanboys on any platform are tiresome blowhards.
[Nexus One General] SilentMobius:
Is this still going on?

I love my N1 but I do wish it had a "true" 2+ point tracking digitiser. Here's a long thread on android-developers:

http://www.mail-archive.com/android-developers@googlegroups.com/msg83027.html

Please note Dianne Hackborn's (Android platform lead) comment:

The clearpad 2000 can track 2 points most of the time but gets very confused when points cross and the snap distance it too high for most desperate point actions.

Yep, in the one area the iphone has one over us. The 3000 would have been a much better choice IMHO. But I still prefer my N1
[Nexus One General] pmow:
imho, the app uninstall process on iphone is really good. Multitouch to me (and most I suspect) is pinch-to-zoom, which works fine. There will always be points of contention between devices apples-to-oranges, but I don't think any phone enthusiast will take iphone over nexus.
[Nexus One General] faraz1992:
Nexus One can detect two points of touch which is more than enough. Who wants a guitar or a piano app on the phone. Its just useless to have these. If these are the apps iPhone boasts of then its totally iCrap.

I can't imagine using more than two fingers at the same time on the phone (unless i play games like tekken to show some combo moves ;) )
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Less nerd rage, kid.

Calm down and behave.

Here's the video I made of me using MultiTouch on my AT&T N1. Although I had to take it on a webcam, and had to hold the phone in a real awkward position (+ app generates a square), you can still see that it definitely registers 3 points, not 2.

Granted, software and/or driver may still need some tweaking by google/htc, but I'm convinced that N1's hardware is fully multi-touch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T97P_wfYKms

P.S: for first half or so, my ring finger was actually not on a screen but on a titlebar. So it didn't register there.
[Nexus One General] gsmsosv:
Dude, it's not registering three separate touch events. All you're doing is confusing the screen into making two erroneous points out of three fingers. Even you have to be able to see that. You could put five fingers on the screen and it would do that. I have no idea what you were trying to prove.
[Nexus One General] supergodie:
It's correct :cool: .

Darkdvr read this please : synaptics.com/about/press/press-releases/synaptics-clearpad-on-nexus-one-smartphone
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Alright, I did. Maybe I missed it, but where does it say that it doesn't support multi-touch?
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
The phone only supports 2 fingers on the screen, no one can argue this. More than 2 simply confuses the screen, and 2 being too close to each other registers as simply one finger - while, as said before, swiping them across each other also causes difficulties with the screen.

What is threre to argue at this point? The Clearpad 2000 is simply what it is. Our multi touch may be ifnferior, but I still love my N1.
[Nexus One General] Seanambers:
Nexus One

I must say i do love my nexus, but when i realized that the phone did not support 'true multitouch'; as in more than two points of contact my faith in Google dropped a bit. I assume in this that google decided the specs on the phone and not HTC, never the less it is with a certain amount of disbelief that the 'superphone' don't support true multi touch.

I owned the G1 and assumed the next iteration of google phones would atleast from a hardware perspective support multitouch since the G1 was found quite lacking in that area. Sales weren't great neither for the nexus or the G1 the atleast we should expect when we buy from them is topnotch hardware.

And to dnts- sorry to see all bashing you received.
[Nexus One General] Eclair~:
Actually, I believe the G1 sold many units. It was Google's "Dev Phone One", and if you havent noticed, many of the apps alive today were originally made for g1s, or tested on them.

They are still being gave away in giveaways, and believe it or not, people are still buying them! Even ROM development continues..
[Nexus One General] DarkDvr:
Hmm.. Well what you're saying does fit what I see, so I do agree that that's probably the case.

Thanks for the write up.
[Nexus One General] attn1:
I think you've done a good job bringing this point to light. For most of us, it doesn't matter, but I like to be able to make a cogent argument with facts. I still like the N1 better than the iphone 3GS (I could care less about playing piano or guitar on a phone), but I know it's not perfect and I'll have to concede that the iphone touchscreen is technically better. So what? The N1 is superior to anything else in more ways that matter to me.

Thank you for the short lesson in touch screen technology and how it can impact our devices, and what to reasonably expect from them over time.

Well done.
[Nexus One General] supergodie:
Guys, you believe that with a good update to the N1, can be as sensitive as the iphone ? or is it a question of hardware?
[Nexus One General] attn1:
Sensitivity isn't the issue here - multi-touch is.

And yes, that's what's been established - there is a hardware difference that will limit software development for the N1 touch pad somewhat.

To most, it won't matter one iota. But if you want to play polyphonic tunes with a piano keyboard on your N1, you're SOL, where you could on an iphone. I think smart phones are good for a lot of things, but personally I never imagined they'd make particularly good pianos anyway.

For games however, the N1 touch pad could be tangibly less advantageous than the iphone. Again, that doesn't matter to me because I am not really a game enthusiast, but this is definitely going to matter to others.
[Nexus One General] stephen293:
So is this the reason why my phone's touchscreen will sometimes go bezerk on me? Like when I type something pressing the letter on the top row will register as pressing the very last row. Or pressing an area on the home screen will registed as something along the bottom. I have to go through sleep/wake cycle to get it back to normal. But this happens to frequently it is just flat out annoying. I love all the extra features this phone can do but (no fanboy comment really) I would love this phone with a touchscreen that works as smoothly as the iPhone.
[Nexus One General] MomijiTMO:
Interesting thread about something I knew nothing about. I can't wait for Apple's patents to expire or whatnots. I think it's pretty unfair they can patent all of these technologies which is probably the reason we have this type of screen and detector. If HTC/Google were to bring out a phone with true multi touch, they would be in breach of Apple's patents. I hope Apple get some kind of anti competition [anti-trust for you US folks] lawsuit.

Also wow at the fanboyism. Far out, it's a phone. Don't care so much.
[Nexus One General] dnts:
A message from the OP :-)

Thanks to all the heads up. It's been quite a few weeks with my N1 now. Got used to the touch screen to the point of the occasional nuisance and not more than that. Love Android. Love the N1. Not looking back to winmo or any of the closed-garden systems (Apple or Mobile 7).

A loyal HTC follower for 10 years now (has it been that long?) since the days of the iPaq.. I got used to getting almost everything I wanted.. but just almost... the next version of the Android phone will probably have true multitouch but no flash LED :-)

All the best,

Nir
[Nexus One General] jabuzan:
How do I do this?

Sorry if this is noob question, I've only been on Android for a few weeks...

how exactly do I change this setting?!?

I'm a Desire user - but suffer the same problem as N1 - which IS annoying. I don't care about tiny on-screen piano's, but two player games like air hockey would be nice to play with my better half.
[Nexus One General] Galecio Family:
You guys dont understand what the point is. I am sure you have witnessed the dreaded and irritating tourbles of tring to text with the N1 and having either the wrong keys pressed. Well if you pay close attention the problem usually occrs when pressing a letter that is very close to the last letter you pressed thus confusing the softare on the x,y. Only ay around is to text slower and allow the release of the previous button before pressing the next letter in close proximity. Sucks because having an iPhone before no mattr how fast I text i made very little spelling errors as opposed to making a lot of crappy ones on the N1. I wished they would jusy freaking make a hardware reviosion of all N1 once initial stock sells out and give us what the N1 should have been in the begining. Regardless as buggy as the touch screen is at times i still like it better than my old 3GS =P
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
It has nothing to do with the last letter. I type with only one finger, I peck type, and it still happens. It is just a calibration glitch, nothing to do with multi touch.
[Nexus One General] dogiedogie:
What sort of retard types a letter, holds the letter down, and then presses the next letter (next to it) without releasing the first?
[Nexus One General] negroplasty:
LOL @ the guy above.

To the fellow he's quoting: use a different keyboard. Swype ****in' rocks, I'm sure there are many others.
[Nexus One General] SBS_:
Smart keyboard pro also works excellent for those having a hard time with the stock keyboard. It also sports support for a lot of languages with easy switching, which is handy if you type in more than one language.
[Nexus One General] jaapschaap:
As someone stated that it's a s oftware issue that the axis is twisting, welll please explain why my milestone en multitouch works far and far more better with 2.1? Then my Nexus with 2.1/2.2? The axis never flips there, that touchscreen is defenitly suppeurior (more accurate too inc. touchbuttons) to the nexus one one :P (lol @ one one)
[Nexus One General] Forge94:
I've got no issue with the axis switching. I mean, it's there and it happens sometimes, but it's not really bothering me.

The things that im really annoyed by is the axis locking. It affects everything: typing, gaming (urgh) and zooming.

This is really something that limits the N1, and soon many games are not going to be compatible because of it. The Next Gen of Android phones that have superior digitizers (Evo, Incredible) and will become the main market for devs creating multitouch games, leaving us behind.

Meh.
[Nexus One General] werpu:
Cyanogen explained it

According to an earlier post the Milestone/Droid has the flag set to a different value than the Nexus one has in its rom.

Besides it afair the Milestone has a different touch panel.
[Nexus One General] LevitateJay:
Still no word on how to do this? If this fixes the axis flipping problem then why are people no implementing this...? :confused:
[Nexus One General] Jack_R1:
AFAIK it's already done for a long time, being in Cyanogen's builds, and also appearing in Froyo. This thread is VERY old.
[Nexus One General] wongja:
Thx for the info

And I am going out now.

Bye

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[Nexus One General] Galecio Family:
have you ever text so fast that you pressed the next button as you are lifting off the previous? I am not a retarded i dont press a letter wait then press the next letter and release the first. use common sense and a little tact in the future =D
[Nexus One General] jabuzan:
I am not a retarded

Brilliant! :D
[Nexus One General] teihoata:
Back on topic lol

I don't know if anyone has noticed this but the new leak update makes the multi touch on the gallery app (when you pinch to see whats inside each folder) a lot better. It seems to pause for a split second when you switch axis and correct itself. It is a lot harder to get the axis to switch now.

Anyone else notice this?
[Nexus One General] jaapschaap:
Still switchin ~20% of the tiimes i cross axis but a least twice as good as is was!

Really can't imagin that it's that hard to fix, with a little logica you know when it should en shoulded happen (if your finger is unreleased it's impossible to switch the spots :P)!

Maybe i think to simpel as webdeveloper (PH/MySQL Hero) but every logic-only problem is fixable with programming :)
[Nexus One General] LevitateJay:
Could you maybe try that finger tracking app in the market? post a youtube video or just report what you find with it?
[Nexus One General] commodoor:
^^ What he said. i tried it with FRF50 and didn't see any changes.
[Nexus One General] lodes0:
Commodor I believe he was referring to the new FRF72 update which was recently released.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
i find it mind boggling that google cannot fix the axis crossing problem by now. wouldnt it be a simple few lines of code that tells the display what to do? i'm not a programmer though...
[Nexus One General] commodoor:
I thought so but i also wan't to see some video's to prove it.

it's not only a few lines of code but also the sensors. you can't force something to do new tricks. you can't make the nexus to recognize 5 fingers at the same time
[Nexus One General] pfmiller:
Any logic-only problem is fixable with programming, however this isn't a logic-only problem, it's a hardware limitation. Clever programming can improve the situation, but it can't fix it in all cases.
[Nexus One General] RogerPodacter:
yeah we're talking about 2 fingers here, the axis crossing problem.

anyway i guess everyone's saying its a hardware limitation, but i just dont understand how that can be. i mean the screen IS in fact tracking 2 fingers successfully all over the screen. so what physical difference happens when the axis gets crossed that would make it sometimes get it wrong, but most of the time get it right? i mean if the axis problem switches the wrong input 30% of the time, and it gets it right the other 70%, then its physically doing it right in that 70% of the time! what is changing to cause it to suddenly swap the axis? i just dont get it. if it does it right once, why can it not do it again and again.
[Nexus One General] kokoon:
the thing is that the touch component doesn't report a pair of (x,y) coordinates, but instead reports two x-values and two y-values. which x goes with which y isn't reported by hardware, so the phone must "guess".
[Nexus One General] b0dge:
Well, I've learned two important things from this thread:

1. My Nexus One doesn't have true multitouch.

2. The only real uses for anything more than dualtouch are Guitar and Piano apps.

The product of the two lessons is:

(I will never use my phone as a musical instrument out of principal + I can't play any musical instruments)+(I like pinch to zoom + I peck type) = 0

Therefore I still love my Nexus exactly the same amount as I did before! Hurrah!

Also, Snesoid + Rock 'n' Roll racing + Street Fighter II Turbo Alpha + (Wii Remote * 2) + Classic Controller * 2) = The best use for a phone EVAR!!
[Nexus One General] teihoata:
Yeah I was referring to this update, it still crosses axis the same as it always does while using the multi touch app on the market but gallery multi touch has definitely improved.

I found on the FRF50 update once you hit the middle the axis would switch about 40-50% of the time, now its less than 10% I suppose.

It still snaps to the axis however.

Yeah true multi touch isn't really useful at the moment but I suppose as gaming becomes more prominent on the platform we will probably be complaining a lot more, by then I assume we will have all upgraded to the nexus two :cool:
[Nexus One General] AndroidJK23:
I'm having the same problem with my Motorola Triumph, which is a recent phone. My app utilizes two finger multi-touch and the axis snapping is affecting the gameplay, though it is only a minor detriment. I explained in the description of my app that it is a hardware issue and it probably cannot be resolved by tinkering with the software. Interestingly, the original Motorola Droid from two years ago does not have this snapping issue with multi-touch.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] henk211075:
Can someone please help me, when i upgrade from 1.48 to 1.66 and then put back the backup with spb backup it removes also the upgrade. But i would like to keep my phone like the way it is now, i meen the icons and theme stuff like that.

second i would like to post my today screen but how do i make a 'photo' of it?

thx:confused::confused::confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tictac0566:
Most people do not recommend to make a full recovery of an old or previous version of any ROM backup to something new. If you do so, you should select the "ROM Upgrade" mode to avoid copying old registry settings.

For personal data, many people use software like "PPC PIM Backup" or Microsoft "MyPhone", and for an automated installation of your preferred tweaks, mods and programs, there are other solutions (such as Sashimi).

For screenshots, you can use different solutions, either via your PC or directly on your phone. Myself, I prefer "MyMobiler", as it does many other things, too. Please use the search function, you will find all you need.
[HD2 Accessories] geekyhawkes:
As per the post here;

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5556318#post5556318

PM me with offers.

Thanks
[HD2 Accessories] JoRoGe:
You can buy here

http://www.netimes.com/shop/resin-soft-jelly-case-for-htc-hd2-t8585-htc-leo-p-2455.html?cPath=80_731

I have 2, one of them black and other white. The black it´s beautiful
[HD2 Accessories] geekyhawkes:
Mine is pretty sold now (waiting payment). Thanks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tin2404:
well..donations will be concidered if there is any chance to make a clean rom? cookers?

is it possible to make elegant clean ROM?without garbage...

I like Dusk ROMs because they are so elegant and well done...but...(there is always but.huh!)....is it possible to make a clean ROM?:cool::cool:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] CervezaPorFavor:
Perhaps the word "please" is in order somewhere in your sentence.

The cookers make ROMs as a hobby, not for commercial gains. They can put in whatever items they deem fit (and the cookers certainly believe these items are useful, at least for themselves).

You seem to suggest that they are doing it in exchange for donations. That's insulting.

You can state your wish, but being polite often goes a long way. :cool:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tin2404:
oh !! sorry ! I forgot to say "please" ! ;)

my mistake !;) sorry I think you missunderstanded me. i DONT MENT TO BE UNPOLITED!...SORRY. it is not about money or something else....

but when every cooker has a link for "buy me a beer"...why I could not offer a beer ?? if you ask for bear,I can pay you a beer?...:cool:

on other hand..there is a quite a lot of us who could pay for decent clean ROM..so why dont let to cookers to earn some money on their knowledge and achievement ?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmidas:
No need to tell him that IMO....He's is just asking a question if someone can make a clean rom. Just tell him if you can make a clean rom, otherwise no need to reply I guess....

@tin2404:

Perhaps you didin't know about the topix roms by kwbr. Try one of them !

Or try the cloudy rom...it's really clean!

Topix:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=460640

Cloudy:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=614538
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tin2404:
thank you mmidas for links. I should try to go !;)

I dont ment to be unpolited...after hundreds of tested roms, just searching a lot of time for clean ROM...:(:(

I will Cloudy give a lift !!;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
there is no place n this forum for rude and impolite request (you titled the thread in upper case and exclamation mark) please. there is even no need of this thread.

just so youll know before fallen spartan closes this.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] raptoro07:
Why don't you just cook your own ROMs how you want. People cook to their tastes.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tin2404:
well my friend,I suppose that it needs some time and technical expertise to cook rom,but,unfortunally,I dont have to much time to spent for learning principles and that stuff,also,I am not good enough in programming matter (it must be something with my late age 40s perhaps,and "nature memory leak" ;) )...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Green Dragon:
I think a good solution would be a light or clean WM 6.5 build, without the heavy manila.

I always use spb shell so there is no need for manila.

I have only found Miri's Standart v.36 with such characteristics.

Do you know any other rom 6.5 or at least 6.1 without manila?

Thank's guys:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xmsnx:
I understand it's hard to put together a usable rom by yourself, but try this by sparkienl, he has done most of the hard work and all you have to do is select the packages you want and make a rom: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=515824

Just a side note I find it very sad that 40 or so years life experience hasn't taught you to be polite!! No need to be rude to other chefs and ask them to stop putting garbage in their roms! If you don't like it, simple don't use it! The chefs on here work hard and produce very usable roms for the majority.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] alexpetrucci:
And they do it free of charge, purely because they like it.