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[HD2 General] alexsql:
Why all the fuss

I am confident that both, old and new (if you can call it that way), HD2 are getting WM7 update.

HD2 was beefed up slightly because of Nexus One, not because of WM7, and the difference is not justifying calling it 'new" HD2
[HD2 General] aceo07:
I definitely agree with this. I bought RAM recently and 2 days after it arrived, it dropped $30 in price. I bought software and then the next day there was a bigger coupon to save $40 more. :p

Anyways, back on topic.

Hopefully the release will also fix any major bugs there are in the system.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you are right they cannot offer updates for certain users as it is supposed to be the same device
[HD2 General] manicotti:
True, but what HTC has on their website is just an announcement. The U.S. T-Mobile version of the HD2 won't be available to buy until the second quarter of 2010, presumably April, but possibly later.
[HD2 General] alexsql:
Release dates

Where did you get that it is going to ship in April???

Here is my guess, Microsoft announces WM 6.6 on Feb 15-16 at WMC in Barcelona, HD2 with 6.6 starts shipping in US the same day or shortly thereafter, WM 7 release is announced for November
[HD2 General] yosi199:
The question is what are we doing about it????
[HD2 General] jrrigney:
I'm not going to justify this with an answer except with... start a new thread.
[HD2 General] SreePillai:
i understand the Nexus One angle, but it comes down to not just which phone gets WM7 but which phone has the capability to run it better...and the obv. answer here would be the phone with the higher specs. and that is the point of contention. if both the specs were out at the same time with diff. price margins it would have been and informed decision on behalf of the buyer, us here just didn't get that opp.

all said and done i still love my HD2 and it is the best phone i've used by far.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
This is the fastest growing thread I've seen :eek:
[HD2 General] novaci:
That is just incredibly sh*tty business.

I have half a mind to return my HD2 first thing tomorrow morning.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
Not really surprising though is it? Sunday night so most of us are at home looking for more tweaks for our toy when we see the shock headline that we're being shafted...

As for dudes screaming blue murder and wanting to take their phone back to demand a refund,answer this:

Before you read this thread was the HD2 the best phone you've ever had,was it gorgeous,did it have a huge screen,did it have the highest specification you could possibly find and did it make you smile everytime you picked it up and thought "what shall I do with it next" because if the answer to any of that is yes..

why has reading this thread made you change your mind? It's still the same phone!
[HD2 General] chronicle:
I must admit that I couldn't care less right now- BUT I will be keeping this phone for 18 months so if in November it turns out that all the US spec HD2's get the upgrade to WM7 and all the pre-upgrade European versions do not, I will feel hard done by and pretty pissed with HTC.

In the mean time, it's easily the best phone on the Market by a country mile with 512 or 1GB ROM - makes no difference to the everyday performance.

PLEASE though - can we see some official network ROM upgrades? My UK O2 HD2 has so many small and irritating bugs that I can't do anything about...that's really annoying!
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
True, true...i have posted the link to this thread in my email to htc, so they can see how pissed off we are.

I wonder how many of us emailed htc about it. Can you imagine htc support employees tomorrow morning opening the emails? Haha! Boom!
[HD2 General] _X_:
It would be interesting to see what HTC would do if most users that can return their devices actualy do that tomorrow.

U can allways demand replacemnt on account of "faulty camera".

ps. and demand replacement to be branded by Samsung ? :)
[HD2 General] retrofred:
tmousa

the main thing i think that most of you in other countries don't realize, is that tmousa and att are competing. att is the place to get an iphone that works to its fullest ability, and that the tmousa hd2 will only work on the tmous 3g network. any other carrier wi be left with edge at best. the release of the hd2 for tmous is a direct competition with the us iphone. the tmous hd2 has 1700/2100 bandwiths. i just recently got my hd2, and as soon as the hd2 launches in "march" the end of the Q1 i will be upgrading to it.
[HD2 General] Tralal:
Seriously i just got my hd2, if it doesnt get winmo 7 and us version does i'm going to bomb Taiwan:)
[HD2 General] retrofred:
could go horribly wrong

an email that could cause powers that be to go after shutting this forum down like they have in the pass. some of the older member can tell you. you do realize that *****ing about this is like buying a computer or laptop, and two days later the updated one comes out and is faster and has more memory. christ the day after i bought my hd2 it went on sale the dam day for 50.00 cheaper. such is life. i am in no way trying justify what might be happening, but my point is returning a phone cause a carrier specific phone could be speced better. think of the logic there.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
lol...ironic really cus the yanks did just that during WW2 and its them who're getting the beefed up HD2...where did I leave my detonators?:D
[HD2 General] Jack E:
I'm not really bothered by the bigger ROM and RAM as I install all big apps to my SD card and never really use all my RAM. I will however be annoyed if only the US HD2 gets Windows Mobile 7 because they are still 'one' product so HTC should support them both equally.
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
While there's logic in what you say, a flagship device (and popular) like this is a total different story. Tell me, what if the iphone got an upgrade right after 3 months from the first release... how pissed of would people be?
[HD2 General] retrofred:
WM7

winmo 7 is going to be available for the hd2 as stated by htc way before the specs were announced for the tmous hd2. winmo7 will require a snapdragon processor and the hd2 is the only htc winmo phone they have, the only phone from htc at the moment running a snapdradon id the nexus 1 and thats android
[HD2 General] Jack E:
I suppose if they cannot offer the low spec HD2 WM7 they could offer it android to make up for the loss...
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
Dont go putting all your hopes on that...how many different model numbers have we seen so far for the HD2? mines a T8585 but I'm sure I've seen other numbers quoted for a Leo as well...
[HD2 General] retrofred:
i agree

i totally agree with. i was just stating a comparison that's all. my biggest thing is that this phone will only work good in the u.s. on tmous
[HD2 General] novaci:
Exactly this. I bought the HD2 under the illusion that it was the flagship HTC model. Discovering that the phone I bought isn't actually all the HD2 could've been just weeks after I bought the damn thing feels like a slap in the face. If the TMobile version had been announced at the same time the HD2 went on sale elsewhere in the world, my purchase decision would've been very different. What they're doing is just a complete marketing failure and a clear message that they don't appreciate their customers all that much.

If you're reading this thread, own a HD2 and feel as angry about this as I do, at the very least fire off an angry message to HTC and complain!
[HD2 General] alexsql:
It is not an upgrade

It is just a version for US market with a little bit more memory. They will both run WM7 the same, the difference is primarily for marketing reasons, not because this version will run better.

I would not mind if the US version was exactly the same as the Europian memory-wise, because everything else IS the same.

I really don't get it why are so many of you upset???
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
Never Assume

Never assume what is the next product. It is not what you think. If you are unhappy with your purchase, who made the purchase?

Take it easy on yourself, if you made an educated purchase, you made your purchase with the information that was available to the public. Even some workers at a manufacturer do not know the what the exact specs on new models will be.

Thank you,

Monnie
[HD2 General] retrofred:
do you live in the u.s.

are you located in the U.S.?
[HD2 General] alexsql:
Or maybe

I can see why people from US who rushed to buy Telstra version are upset, but I still do not see why is HTC to blame. They announced the US version for Q1, T-Mobile started registering people for US market before HD2 was even available in Australia. Be realistic, I have almost pulled the trigger and bought Telstra, but if I had I would have only myself to blame for impatience.
[HD2 General] djngal:
Damn! now i have to buy a new one from the states... :p

now i guess i'll have 2 :D
[HD2 General] liamR:
Maybe HTC upgraded the HD2 hardware because of the MS WM7 testing on it, they came into conclusion that the original hardware wasn't enough to run the new OS smoothly. just a thought...
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
Your buying decision was based on the hardware. Since HTC did not announce any change in hardware, we all assumed the phones are gonna be the same except the radio chips.

HTC have made a crazy move and radically changed the hardware on the same model. This kind of change modifies a buying decision and i find them guilty for not releasing the info earlier.

I do understand their decision from the business point of view (staying on top, considering the launch of the nexus one and possible others at MWC), but its not fair for the rest of the HD2 owners.

They might not care about this, and they might have good reasons for taking this path, but its not how we see it. And that for me means the loyalty they were enjoying from me is fading away.
[HD2 General] str0g:
If so they should run replacement program, at least for people which bought phone for 600 euro.
[HD2 General] jakem:
So you're upset because you don't think you own a flagship device anymore? Wow.

Anyway, with the exception of the screen size (which is made up for by the inclusion of an AMOLED screen) the specs on the Nexus One exceeded the HD2 within weeks so arguably that was HTC's flagship device.

I think people in this forum need to calm down. Your phones still work just as well as they did yesterday so just be happy.
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
I still dont get it ... they moved to quadband GSM 850/900/1800/1900 (or something) and still have this 3G freq. nightmare :(
[HD2 General] jakem:
This new version of the HD2 won't even support Romanian 3G frequencies so why would this announcement have any impact on your buying decision or brand loyalty?
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
Back To Reality

Hello Everyone,

I do not understand all the anger. Is this your first experience with technology / hardware? It is well known fact, if you want the latest, greatest, new kid on the block technology, you pay a premium price and new versions are right around the corner. This has been the way it is for years, and will be the way it is. There is always something better on the horizon. No matter what you buy now, the next improved model is already being implemented. If you keep the mentality of, "I will not buy this version, wait for next version", you will be caught is a vicious cycle of waiting and not buy because the next version is about to be released.

Think about how many times Intel or AMD made new CPU's very close to release of their flagship models and were not reverse compatible with prior mainboards/motherboards. Same goes for the Graphics Cards, their cycle is even quicker.

Think about how many times an Automobile manufacturers releases a new vehicle in November, and the after the first of the year, they offer bigger englines, more horsepower, more gadgets in the interior.

Think about it. The UK/Asian version was released in November. Looking like March for USA version. That is 6 months/ half a year or more. In terms of computer/electronic hardware, 6 months is a long time. You think companies / manufacturers are just sitting still?

Be Thankful

1) UK/Asian version users had a phone for 6 months before everyone else

2) HTC is making better and better devices.

3) Your UK/Asian version is not a piece of crap, it is high end hardware, and you already have it.

4) You got 6 months of being "top dog".

5) HTC advances will be able to be applied to you because of the wonderful / talented people here on xda-developers. Everyone wins.

Computers/electronics/hardware is not a direct reflection of you as a person. You are not any less of a person if there is a better version available. You are not a better person if you have something better than everyone else has. It is a tool, a device, and to some a gadget. Has this tool/device become an avenue to "show off" to others to feel superior? There comes a time you must be content as well as satisfied with what you have and it serves / functions it's intended purpose. If you can not achieve this inner peace, you will drive yourself crazy when this is applied to electronics and spend enormous amounts of money. Be happy you are lucky enough to have what you do have. Many others do not.

Remember, this is just a phone,a device, a piece of hardware.

My intention was not to offend anyone. Just trying to help everyone be thankful with what you have, feel good inside, be positive and enjoy life. If you always have a negative view, you will live a unhappy, miserable life as well as project this to others around you.

Thank you,

Monnie
[HD2 General] alexsql:
Interesting

"radically changed the hardware on the same model. "

Now you are puzzling me even more. How is it "radically changed"???

Also, it is ridiculous to blame HTC because you "assumed" something and went and bought a device from a completely different continent.
[HD2 General] moneysaver05:
I am absolutely fuming!! i can not believe HTC has Treated US loyal customers like this. I will be locating the email address of HTC CEO and will be sending him my complaint direct.

I have no confidence in HTC's Europe Customer service based in slough, they are a bunch of morons that know less than my mother about phones. My mobile has to go again to get 'repaired' for the same fault twice (i did not purchase a expensive device so that HTC have it in their repair centre every two day!!) .

In the UK we have the consumer protection act which gives consumers protection as long as they can prove a unit is faulty from the start, I believe their is a similar EU law that applies to the whole of the EU.

Once i locate the CEO's email address if anyone else would like it let me know and i will provide it to them.
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
I don't care if the new device is supported in my country.

It's an ethical issue. Its a move that makes me think twice about the company.

Thats all.

Oh and 1 GB of rom is a radical change because as we all know we always struggle with very little space left on the main storage and 1GB is a blessing. For me that's a huge selling point.

Anyway, its late, i gotta get some sleep.
[HD2 General] novaci:
I think all of us understand that technology keeps developing. The reason people are angry isn't because the device they purchased won't be top of the line 6 months or a year from now, it's the timing of the announcement. The people who bought the HD2 late last year thought that the specs were set and there would be no change in them no matter market you happened to be in. If it had been known that HTC would be offering superior hardware to people in one specific market, while still branding and pricing it the same as they do everywhere else, I have a feeling some people might have decided not to buy their HD2's. I know I would have.

Couple that with the fact that the people who purchased their HD2's late November or early December now won't be able to return their phones (depending on each country's laws and regulations, over here you have 14 days to return your purchase), HTC has pretty clearly and intentionally mislead their customers in the HD2's marketing.
[HD2 General] jimecm:
careful what and when you buy a device, cause this tech is coming (dual-core 1.5GHz snapdragon by 4q of 2010)

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Qua...ue-out-by-the-end-of-2010-article-a_8674.html
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Hmmmm... a HD2a and a HD2b eh? It will be interesting to see if they roll out the HD2 with go faster stripes in Europe. After all, it is a HD2 after all. ;)
[HD2 General] jakem:
But why would you want to return your phone? What would you replace it with? This 1GB ROM phone isn't available in Europe.
[HD2 General] spike0209:
I definatly wished I had waited a bit when I saw this, but moreso if I was told that this new version is the only one to work with winmo 7. That was one of the main reasons I bought the HD2, I heard that it most likely would be upgradeable to winmo 7.. I might be mistaken, or remembering miscorrect.

But I'm not going to go off ranting just because of this, this stuff happens. Although I wish I saw that this was going to happen, here in my home country. Considering I bought my phone in january and got it a week ago.

But I also have to say that you guys like firing up under the next one, that seems to me to be one of the main reasons why this topic has gone on like it has. Also you attack others a bit to much. Your entitled to have an opinion of your own, but certainly without being attacked for it. It should be safe uttering an opinion..

But back to topic..

I really cant believe this happened, sadly/luckily telecom companies here dont have that much power over telephone producers or this probably could've hit me even harder..

I do appreciate though that this thread was made here, so I also was made aware of this fact. But people need to calm down a bit, especially you who keep attacking others.

Just my two cents I guess..
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
and it will not be avaliable these specifications are only for us and will not be avaliable for other users
[HD2 General] reocej:
My sentiments exactly! But I'm still going to get it! HeHe:p Tmobile rocks!
[HD2 General] _X_:
Those have much higher power consumption. 1.5GHz does not have just 50% higher power consumption but rather around 70% higher. So battery autonomy would be very low on a device with HD2 specs.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
this kind of processors is not meant to be used in mobile phones i heared it is for mini notebooks
[HD2 General] _X_:
something like that ... tablets and stuff :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] knight666:
Hello everyone!

For the past couple of months I've been developing a 2D game engine. First for Android, but the Windows Mobile build quickly took over.

You can read about it here: knight666.com/blog/yoghurtgum-1-0-beta

I promise I'm not a spammer, this is a legitimate project. ;)
[Nexus One General] austin8868:
Im not rooted but i was wondering if applications i downloaded from the android market and music i downloaded save on the phone or on the sd card and if they save on the phone is there anyway to move them to the sd card? Thanks
[Nexus One General] melterx12:
theyre saved on the phone, and cannot be moved to the sd card unless you are rooted and have an apps2sd partition on you sdcard. You dont need to move anything because there is 190MB of space reserved for apps, and most apps take up less than a MB.

Google will make a feature to move apps to your sd card once security issues are addressed.
[Nexus One General] Amdathlonuk:
Unless you install appmanager.

You can then BACKUP the non-protected apps to your sdcard for keeping.

if you have root explorer and root you can do more..... ;)
[Nexus One General] pjcforpres:
Music will save to your SD card, though, unless it is a protected download from T-Mobile.
[Nexus One General] austin8868:
What all can you do if you root the phone
[Nexus One General] david1171:
anything the phone is capable of doing.
[Nexus One General] icon57:
do you have app manager working? mine always force closes...i wish the dev would update for nexus
[Nexus One General] sennister:
Lots of stuff.

Installing apps to the SD card

Turn your phone into a wireless access point for tethering to a laptop

Modify the Hosts file so ad supported apps no longer display ads

Install modified OS builds

There are others but those are the reasons I have a rooted G1 and I will root my Nexus when I get it.

EDIT. The wireless tethering is the big one. I use that the most. Apps to SD isn't as much of an issue because of the additional storage on the Nexus compared to the G1.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Here's an idea... how about reading a couple of stickies in the Development subforum, as well as the numerous threads in the HTC Dream and Magic forums regarding the benefits of rooting. The information is all there.
[General Questions and Answers] jdep1:
ok i read this

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4643107&postcount=121

but how exactly do i get there? programs/ SPB mobile shell but after that what do i have to open to edit? is it an xml file or dat? :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] mtstmp:
these are actually registry edits. tons of information and settings for your phone are stored in the registry. in order to make these mods, you would need to use a registry editor. phm registry editor is a good free program. just google it.
[Nexus One General] nsm:
Is this a mistake:

On play.com (http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/...nlocked-5-Megapixel-Mobile-Phone/Product.html)

They state:

Radio: Stereo FM radio with RDS

Not sure that is the case - unless the UK Models will have this?
[Nexus One General] melterx12:
yes this has been discussed already. The Nexus One has an FM Radio chip but theres is NO software yet that uses it.
[Nexus One General] nsm:
Surely then they cant state that as a "Feature" then.
[Nexus One General] melterx12:
They dont. Nowhere on the official site either on HTC or www.google.com/phone is FM radio advertised as a feature or even mentioned that it exists. This was only found out when ifixit.com did a teardown of the phone and found the chip hidden inside. Whatever info a third party advertises should not be read as official in any way.
[Nexus One General] nsm:
Valid point.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Evostance:
I came across this video on YouTube and it has the ROM 1.66.405.1 + Radio 2.7.

This version differs to the shipped 1.66.707.1 one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhOXb7iDXwo
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sgilesuk:
First ive seen of it, Had a look couldnt find any links for it, hopefully we will see it soon.:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] GPSSlovakia:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=621752
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Evostance:
Its a different version
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] uiqjirka:
To GPSSlovakia : Bad link,this is rom 1.66.405(Europe region)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Laurentius26:
Yeah I'm searching this too.

If I find it I will upload it for you guys.

Grtz Leo :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gianton:
isn't it xmoo that made this video? :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Evostance:
:rolleyes: *sneaks off un-noticed*
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] xmoo:
Yes it is me, will release soon for XDA.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bobsbbq:
You mean your not going to do like some others and give it to the ELITE group to release their roms before others? Sorry I just can't help it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nikoangelo:
xmoo could You write some differences from the last ROM version? What are the changes?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Fab985:
disgusting :(

SOON = when all others ELITE cookers posted their rom

this is not fair play
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] hnparedes:
It's with remarks like this that people will stop providing whatever they have...