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[HD2 General] trav_44:
t9193 version inferrior

i might sell my austrlaian telstra one and get an american version one if this is the only one that can support wm7 , i only have mine for 2 weeks . its a great phone but id like to have the wm7 cause thats why i bought the phone in the first place

where can i buy one of the new versions ? what is the model number

i have the T9193 NEXT - G version
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
Don't you guys realise this phone is ONLY for T-Mobile....in other parts of the world, 3G won't even work on this phone...

Stop complaining for god's sake...HTC didn't decide to upgrade it...T-Mobile ASKED for it to be beefed up for their customers...

Get over it...
[HD2 General] manicotti:
T-Mobile HD2 in 2100 countries?

Do we know if the T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 for the U.S. market can get 3G signals in Europe? The phone has radios for 1700 and 2100. In the States, T-Mobile phones need both frequencies to communicate (one for uplink, the other for downlink) whereas AT&T uses either 850 or 1900 for 3G. Is the TMob TP2 capable of using just 2100 when it's in another market that uses 2100 for communications in both directions?

If so, wouldn't it be reasonable to expect that the T-Mobile HD2 for the U.S. market would have the same capabilities?

If so, then folks in countries where carriers operate 2100 MHz UMTS network would be able to import the T-Mobile HD2 without penalty. Sadly, that rules out AT&T in the States, Telstra in Australia, Rogers in Canada, Telecom NZ in New Zealand, and others.
[HD2 General] Svegetto:
NO, the 2100 frequencies are different. I don't remember the exact values but it's a small range in 21XX and they do not match (the US ones are different then the european ones). AKA, 2100 does not mean it work exactly on the 2100 frequency nor on 2100-2199 but rather select values in between.
[HD2 General] band27:
Jumping the Gun

News speculation found <<HERE>>. States the following quote:

Thus, as mentioned by previous members, this may very well be a firmware release to unlock the memory.

Don't sell yet until this is clarified.
[HD2 General] TopOfNewYork:
ditto get over it

its not gonna b here 4 awhile anyway and theres always something faster coming out we'll prob have a dual snapdragon this summer it never ends

i need 3g so i didnt buy 1 by the time this thing hits the us market i dunno if im even gonna still want it but the memory upgrades help but it still feels late its not the new hot tech ish if its already been out 4 6mos in the uk
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
I am not an engineer but,

The 2100mhz chipset would need to be able to transmit & receive. bi-directional and the exact 21xx-21xx frequencies needed for your theory to be viable.

I am not sure which is for uplink, which is for downlink (1700mhz vs 2100mhz). Common sense tells me, the downlink would only be a receiver, uni-directional. The uplink being only a transmitter, uni-directional.

I would need to see the schematics from HTC and/or Qualcomm. Good luck on getting those on a pre-released phone.

I found this Here:The U.S. specifically identifies AWS I as 1710-1755 MHz and 2110-2155 MHz, i.e. 90 MHz of spectrum. Both the U.S. and Europe utilize the 2110-2155 MHz bands for mobile transmit.

Monnie
[HD2 General] trav_44:
hi

well accually i bought the telstra one and i just reconfigured it to the 3 settings , so the american version will be the same thing , its just a matter of choseing the right band
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
I think we should all chill out and just enjoy the HD2 for what it is right now. :)

At this stage, its all speculation.
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
Actually it's not...the hardware will be different in the tmob one.
[HD2 General] 10076757:
do you know that xmoo is reporting that he flashed his hd2 with the test T-mobile ROM and it says that he has got 567mb of RAM. to quote hime:

"Any1 noticed when flashing the @HTC HD2 T-Mobile 2.02.531 Test ROM the RAM shows as 567mb instead of the 448mb??!!"

follow him: twitter.com/xmoo
[HD2 General] bzdemes:
surely someone else would of noticed that by now?
[HD2 General] balane:
Is T-Mobile 2.02.531 downloadable anywhere? I did a quick google search and found nothing definite.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
They have, it has been a point of debate over at this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622964
[HD2 General] Archer:
Has there even been the vaguest hint of when the HD2b will be released yet?
[HD2 General] gabbs:
LOL LOL..:D:D
[HD2 General] p-slim:
spring, thats the official word from tmobile. many sites have posted 1q, so if both sources are correct that would mean mid to end of march.
[HD2 General] gabbs:
LOL..LOL

i'm going to sue htc..

anyone know a good no win no fee firm?
[HD2 General] orel28:
well I just called HTC for our common problem is "the client thread by HTC (each his opipion but it's mine).

Then you run into technical service and there is no commercial service available by telephone. The person you should create a folder with your name, mail address, phone number, and your IMEI number.

The must tell them that you are not happy patatipatata .... and whether HTC plan to make a gesture of goodwill to those customers who really feel very upset and abused, etc. ....

Appere the guy told me there for several days, a huge wave of Appeal, which is recovered in the sales department and enthusiasm that HTC is to consider how to solve the problem for these clients .....

So it is called, is really very important over there will be many more metttra their pressure! is the only way to hope with compensation, no matter how small.
[HD2 General] jobias:
In legal aspect you can't do anything about it, as they sold you a HD2 with known specs and you accepted their offer. Still I think it's not very customer friendly to make an almost exactly the same device for america which is better than the one the (alpha testers) rest of the world got.. and besides that, it would be even more customer unfriendly to launch wm7 on the HD2b and not on the one we've got.. but that's my point of view.. (A):)
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Please remember where the name "HD2b" came from, before we start taking the name as Gospel!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5446779&highlight=hd2b#post5446779

I thank you.

HD2b = HTC Towser :p
[HD2 General] Archer:
There was a post earlier that said it's been confirmed by HTC as the official codename. It may well have a "friendly" name later, but that's just conjecture on my part.
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Ok... Off to sue HTC now for name stealing. Any compensation I receive I will donate to this group for research, to see if we can find the hidden memory that MUST be present in the Euro/Asian HD2s, which I believe are called the HD2a's?

Has anyone tried to find if there is any more rum in the Euro devices by the way?

By the way Mr Molyneux, your faint yellow add-on texts in the white dialogue boxes are a ***** to read on a Diamond.... lol. I re-read all your posts from now on! (With a magnifying glass!)
[HD2 General] jrrigney:
I hope so, I drank mine dry the other day :p
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I know 100% for sure that BOTH versions of the HD2 run WM7 smoothly.

Can all the stupid whiners shut up now? If any of the two HD2 versions gets WM7, you will get your WM7 as well, either through HTC or through xda-developers. And even if none of the HDs gets it officially, it's very likely that you'll get it through xda-devs, cause the necessary software to run it on the HD2 exists (cause it's already running on the European HD2).

Don't believe all the bull**** people without a clue say about the "old" HD2 not running WM7, that's a lie, nothing more. I'm so tired of people making unfounded statements when they don't have any clue at all! And I'm tired about all the morons who believe everything and whine like little babies!
[HD2 General] remiotte:
Now you're interesting, mister.

care to say more?..
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Nope, that's all I'm going to say. ;)

I'm not working for HTC and I have no influence on their decisions, but I know for sure that the European HD2 can run WM7 smoothly. There's no reason to believe that they would release it only for one version of the HD2, because that would be a pretty stupid decision on HTC's part. And even if they'd make that stupid decision, there's no reason why it shouldn't be easily portable from one version of the HD2 to the other.
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
And I thought I am the only one with this opinion in my head. This thread is real pain in the ass.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Yes, it is :mad:
[HD2 General] arcadia2112:
Htc hd2 us

The device is also 2 mm increased
[HD2 General] ragelord:
EU HD2 with 7

Actually I recently read that 7 is developed onboard HD and there was no US TMO HDs at that time so it should be possible to run 7 on our EU versions :)

It was said that 7 runs with minimal lag but optimisations are just in the biginning :) Dont be so disappointed! If the newer version in not available in EU it is not a big deal and our handsets wont get devaluated any time soon so we should be able to get hd3 in October/November with minimum cash required after selling our hd2s :))
[HD2 General] mrmomoman:
When the worlds seems starry-eyed with Android why would HTC release a Top of the Line Phone like the HTC HD2 with Windows unless there was something more behind their release. CEO of HTC said he is dedicated to bringing the Windows OS's experience on their phones and will continue to do so. The alliance is greater with MS than we know. It does seem one of the better platforms to carry WM7.

March is not too far away for any announcements.
[HD2 General] ralphfx:
Noticed that too, but it seems only the bottom of the bezel (bezel part underneath the hardware buttons) has increased in height. I can be wrong though.
[HD2 General] arcadia2112:
HTC HD US

Just received anemail from HTC Netherlands, they were not aware of it, the fools I suggested they visit the US site morons, :mad:
[HD2 General] arcadia2112:
Htc hd2 us

I guess we should all complain or deisgnate one memeber representig all Leo users and demand at least compensation f.e. sd card anyway this is because of the **** IPhone which is a useless piece of ****, Apple us not for business users merely for addicts which belong to the Aplle cult
[HD2 General] Archer:
Here's the response I got from HTC...

(I added the b - Dennis never called it that)

That's a pretty clear answer to me, and the mention of the HTC Hero is a good example of them doing something special for individual customers (TMO again!! lol)

Sounds fair and reasonable to me!
[HD2 General] arcadia2112:
HTC HD2b

Nice answer by HTC UK which is useless, it is because of the competition and it must be made clear to them that we feel left behind, not to forget theat US $ is far less worth than € so we pay more:mad:
[HD2 General] Archer:
I don't get what you're complaining about. The HD2b is a different device, so what's the problem???
[HD2 General] negromnia90:
I believe that our current htc is locked in software.

limited RAM

limited ROM

I think just because Windows Mobile 6.x does not support such quantities!

:confused:
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Usually, we in Europe get the better phones. And we get them earlier. Just let them enjoy the only time they get a better version than Europe!

They get their version half a year later than we did! It's only natural that within half a year, better hardware is released. You should be glad that it's not an HD3 with 1.5GHz and 1GB of RAM or something like that. At the time we get the HD3, the people in the US will likely have to wait another 5-6 months for it! And yet, they don't whine like litte babies.

The HD2b will never be available here. I don't get why all those morons complain. They'd have to buy the "old" HD2 anyway.

ROFL @above me! WM does not support the capacities? Then, why does WM on the US HD2b support them? Is WM different in the US? How stupid are you?

Sorry for the "strong" words, but those are actually pretty soft when you think logically about how stupid all those whiners are... THINK before you complain! (if you know what that is)
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
It was a bit harsh but lol'ed anyway.
[HD2 General] alessioilmito:
o my god guys .. official notice of a famous chef Lucap cookers and other experts as well as hd2 has cooked a ROM with the next from 576 mb .... just like the t mobile .... the problem is the drivers. ... was discovered on another forum and confirmed ..!!!

Here's the Good News!
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
was there any need for the huge text?

also... i think you mean a little less flash mem for ROM not RAM.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
What's the point in having 576MB of RAM when you can't even fill 448MB?

Has anyone EVER managed to fill the wholle 448MB?
[HD2 General] Archer:
...and it's in the same forum as this thread. Old news mate.
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
not yet but still... it would be nice to know you have an extra 128mb.
[HD2 General] alessioilmito:
the huge text is for visibility.....

no....i speak about the rom...becuase it remains 512 actuals mega....

but the RaM incrase from 448 to 576.....with new cooked rooms...the problems are drivers taken from version lower then complete 2.02....

is a very beautiful news...soon we have got rom up to 576mega.:D:D:D:eek:
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
look mate...

you said... and i quote:

"The hardware is the same a little less RAM .... ok no problem but you have all the SD for that!"

What you meant to say was:

"The hardware is the same alittle less ROM size... ok no problem but you have all the SD for that"

CLEAR ENOUGH FOR YOU?

But...I realise that English may not be your first language so fair enough.
[HD2 General] alessioilmito:
yeah is wrong i want to say rom....!!!

excuse me for my english but i'm italian and i don't say english perfectly...!!:(

i correct my post...:p
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Yeah nice to know, but that's it. At least for quite a while...
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
yep.. i agree... and by the time we do care about it... i dont think anyone will still be pimping their HTC HD2's.
[HD2 General] reocej:
Euro Specs=120.5x67x11 US=122x67x11

Was wondering if anyone noticed the slight difference in physical specifications between the Tmo version and the Euro version? According to these specs the Tmo version is about 1.5 mm taller the Euro version. Don't really know if this has any significance or not. Was thinking that maybe they had to make it slightly taller to sqeeze in the extra ram/rom. What do you guys think?
[HD2 General] Archer:
It's to accomodate the HDMI output at the base of the device :p

(That IS a joke, btw)
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
No, thats the space where is the 512MB rom and 128MB ram located. :p
[HD2 General] Archer:
Lol - it's actually so they can fit the extra letter 'b' on HD2b on the back of the device!
[HD2 General] negromnia90:
no, they have wrong to take the measures of the device!

:D
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
Damn, so where do they want to put the extra memory?
[HD2 General] eighty1:
Could not help but have a chuckle
[HD2 General] GreyHeadTed:
From HTC customer support...

"Thank you for your enquiry about HTC HD2

Thank you for your feedback, at HTC we do appreciate and value the input of our customers.

Our HD2 devices have been built in conjunction with our customers and this unit might vary slightly from region to region.

In this case, the HD2 released on the American market was specifically ordered by T-mobile only and the slightly improved hardware was a request from them. Do note that this is for T-mobile USA only and is similar to how T-Mobile UK is the only network that offers the Black HTC Hero.

Please keep yourself updated regarding our latest products by visiting our website htc.com or follow us on twitter.com/htc

Best regards,

Dennis M

HTC"

Make of that what you will. :mad:
[HD2 General] Archer:
Exactly the same response I got. Obviously a stock response for all queries of this nature.
[HD2 General] :
What are you unhappy about exactly?

I'm dissapointed about the 16GB micro sd although it sounded random what people in Europe were getting. The RAM and ROM wouldn't be of much use to me, aslong as I'm guaranteed a solid working device for the 18 months I'm on a contract I'm plenty content. Granted I've had a few bugs but I've found technology a flawed thing, a love hate relationship on varying scales you could say.

@ angry Eurasian's, You know when you bring your phone out, and people look and think ooooh a shiny gadget, are you guys going to start saying SHUT UP! AMERICA HAS A SHINIER VERSION WITH MOAR RAMAROMS!

:confused:
[HD2 General] Archer:
ROFL @ RAMAROMS!! Genius! I'm gonna put that forward as a new word in the dictionary next time round.
[HD2 General] Jack E:
How do you know that T Mobile didn't also pay more to have the memory card included?
[HD2 General] gabbs:
because we are beta testers and we know what the problems with the device are..one major one is RAM..
[HD2 General] Archer:
Eh??? What's a "RAM problem" (which is new to me) go to do with the size of the supplied SD card?

Did you not read the previous post properly ;)

Besides, for all we know, T-Mobile could be opening the boxes, taking out the 2GB SD cards and putting 16GB cards in.

Let's face it, this is all massive conjecture, and as long as you say something sensible sounding, and not something silly like "The HD2b will have attached wheels so you can skateboard to work on it", then no-one can either agree or disagree.
[HD2 General] lee1980:
nice one :-)
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
!!! Want! :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
I'm gonna hold out for the HD3 Jetpack-and-lazers-for-eyes version.
[HD2 General] :
RAM and ROM, in one continous saying! Aslong as I get credit! :p

Some people got 16GB micro SD cards, some got 2GB. It's worth holding a poll and seeing who got what because I'm not aware what the majority is.
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
sorry... ive got a feeling that the jetpack feature will only be available on HD3b via T-Mobile U.S.
[HD2 General] ralphfx:
Don't forget the extra special added X-Ray vision we will get in the European version ;)
[HD2 General] lee1980:
ALL WRONG FOLKS :-)

actually the HD3 is nothing else but the iSlate suppsoed to be introduced by stevi tomorrow.... It will be running on wm 7.5 and "sense ultimate" aka "revolution" :-)
[HD2 General] buttsbuttsbutts:
does this mean it will be easy to port android over to the USA HD2? :D
[HD2 General] scilor:
I hope the original HTC HD2 will run WM7.... Otherwise it will be my last HTC Phone I have bought -.-
[HD2 General] Archer:
The HD2b is exactly the same, except more ROM & RAM and 1.5mm taller!) Nah mate - it won't make any difference to that.
[HD2 General] :
I'm certain it will, officially it's very likely as it meets the minimum specs, but if not for some reason we have xda developers!

Really, not buying a device because it won't run a future update that it wasn't even marketed for. You should really review your strategy on purchasing tech mein friend! :)
[HD2 General] lee1980:
But why? Have you really spent that much bucks just for the day you can run wm 7 on that or because of your personal requirement being covered by the spec of the phone? ;-)
[HD2 General] Archer:
Sorry mate, but I don't understand that. The HD2 will have been out for nearly a year when WM7 comes out. It's old tech by those standards.
[HD2 General] buttsbuttsbutts:
well it brings the rom and ram spec to match/exceed that of the nexus one.

I would think the hardware would be very similar...?
[HD2 General] Archer:
Mate - that's a whooooole other thread (and funilly enough, there is one ;))
[HD2 General] negromnia90:
boys to have the ram to 576 mb have to use some telephone radio 2.06.50.04!

mounting this radio you get this ram

all hd2 then have a lot of ram obscured by the old radio (still not certain)
[HD2 General] lutanica:
Seems our HD2 has 576 MB after all !

Look at this mates, :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5464594#post5464594

I mean, there is no way that T-mobile paid HTC to change their production line so HTC produces something with different hardware in their already established production line. If HTC has done that, T-mobile must have paid them loooooots of money. So, our HD2 has the same RAM but it's limited by ROM or Radio
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
i'm not really sure what to think about this really, on one hand it seems like a kick in the face for early adopters but it may have nothing to do with HTC, they may have offerred this to all contracts or maybe it wasnt on the table when the first batch were released. I know htc havent got a very good history of looking after early adopters but it seems to be HTC should be given the benefit of the doubt on this one. I think we have to assume Tmob approached them and asked for this spec and HTC kindly abliged.

Now if it turns out that this version gets a winmo7 update and the older one doesnt then I'll be at the front of the riot when we storm HTC headquarters :)
[HD2 General] bulanula:
It seems we got the 512 RAM as well. Look here :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5465049&posted=1#post5465049

and also wifi N chip with currently locked FM transmitter ( http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622377&page=22 )

so I have no reason to complain.
[HD2 General] Euroman28:
The bigger ram/rom in the HTC HD2b is that because T-Mobile wanna put some more of their sh*t on it?

I am getting a HTC HD2 tomorrow :)
[HD2 General] TopOfNewYork:
Thank you what a bunch of babies
[HD2 General] nutmegy:
response from htc uk

Thank you for your enquiry about HTC HD2 Thank you for your feedback, at HTC we do appreciate and value the input of our customers. Our HD2 devices have been built in conjunction with our customers and this unit might vary slightly from region to region. In this case, the HD2 released on the American market was specifically ordered by T-mobile only and the slightly improved hardware was a request from them. Do note that this is for T-mobile USA only and is similar to how T-Mobile UK is the only network that offers the Black HTC Hero. Please keep yourself updated regarding our latest products by visiting our website htc.com or follow us on www.twitter.com/htc Best regards, Dennis M HTC
[HD2 General] donalgodon:
Could these be unlocked to run on any network?
[HD2 General] nutmegy:
so looks like t mobile did pay more
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
No...different hardware
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
dejavou :p
[HD2 General] byronlee:
some thoughts

All these can be explained by some theories of economics if that can make us feel better: Any product one pays for has a "use value", and for the HD2 now sitting in your pocket, it's the value you have already enjoyed in being able to use it and fiddle with it in the last 2 weeks or 2 months, whichever is applicable to you. Similarly you may also consider it an "opportunity cost" you paid for not waiting until the next better phone, be it a HD2s or HD3 or whatever, coming on the market.

Now economics aside, let's talk about CUTOMER VALUES. If HTC really cares about the feelings and interests of loyal customers like many of us in this forum, they really should:

1. give the new device another model name, keep it as an T-Mobile/US market-only device and sell it at 100 bucks more than we paid for;

2. offer RAM/ROM upgrade options to current HD2 owners, even with a small fee if not totally free I think many of us would be happy to oblige;

3. be less secretive about the upgradability of HD2, and the "hidden potential" or "inactivated hardware" of the HD2 if any. Tell us all the truth and offer the upgrade asap. I believe people in xda-developers can work out even more better apps if provided with such info.