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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] snalbansed:
Ah, you don't read widely enough then! I won't attempt to answer the clock accuracy issue in Android, as I can't remember the explanation, but it has been explained. It occurs whether you over clock or not.

The hours issue though is easy, and I have personally explained this several times! (At least it feels that way!)

Windows systems always set the system clock to the local time. And if you move or have daylight saving time, the system clock changes.

Unix/linux systems set the system clock to Universal Standard Time, or whatever it is called. GMT in other words. Then the clock you see on your desktop etc is system time +- your offset (+ or - 5 hours in your case), depending on your time zone.

So, when flipping from one to the other, which ever one you have corrected, the other thinks is wrong. If you use WinMo rather than boot into it to start Android, you may like to find TimeSyncTZ and link to it in your windows startup folder, that way it will always be correct in both OS, as long as both have a data connection.

Hope that explains it once and for all (fat chance!)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] snalbansed:
Damn you Arrrghhh - you beat me to it!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jchutch2:
LOL I'm sorry you guys have had to explain this before. I did searches and after about 3 pages of results or so for each search pattern I did, I gave up. So thank you for doing it again.

I understand that linux uses UTC. I also know that Window's kernel just really doesn't care about time except for security, ie kerberos authentication. I guess I didn't understand that Android was actually changing the system's hardware clock. I guess I assumed it was calculating it base on the hardware clock. Interesting issue. So the only way to resolve it, then, would be either rewriting the entire kernel, (haha) or using an init script to shut the phone down which changes the hardware clock back according to the set timezone.

Definitely a difficult issue to tackle! As far as drift, then, I see how it's just unavoidable in Android for now, without a scripted solution.

Thanks for the insight guys.

I think I'm off to look for a perl compiler for android. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Bwhahahahaha ninja'd! ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] F22:
If you switch to busybox's ash shell in either the terminal emulator found in dev tools, or in connectbot, you get both command history and tab completion.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tiad8:
hi guys

has anyone has test this. pm.sleep_mode=1,2 on your startup. i post this long ago. in 7 month, i think i had about 1 SOD and good battery life.

thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
What do you mean 1,2? I've been using =1 for a little while, but bzo only recently fixed this option to work while OCing. If you don't OC, SoD occurs much, much less frequently.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tiad8:
yeah, i know. i did a few test with 1 only and i was getting SOD W/OC and W/O. then i try 2 no SOD but battery life was ok. then i try 1,2. i'm getting 15-18 hrs with normal to heavy use W/OC. 18-22 with no O/C. and no SOD.

one key point. every time that i boot back to wm. it only to charge my phone.

BATTERY TRICK. i turn off my phone. plug the charger. let it fully charge till i see the green light. turn my phone on with the charger plug in. boot haret. wait till you see the battery that said charge or it charging. let the phone go to sleep. and your done. i go to work at 7am. from 9-12 i heavy use my phone. from 3-6 i heavy use my phone. like about 10pm the phone still going.

thanks. and great job with the keyboard light.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] qkall:
i've been doing the 1,2 since i saw your post... and i can confirm.. it works a lot better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] vnes1984:
Interesting, I'll try it out and see
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jookdakang23:
Aye thanks for the tip bro, im going to try it right now. I have a Rhod210 with FRX03 Installed and after light usage i was only getting 5 hours of battery power :( If i could get 7 or more hours i would make android my default on my rhoddy because i have no bugs or anythings with it ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
hello i downloaded and installed the blazn cab. It boots and stayed in xdandroid about 30 minutes. Then y reboot, unistall. and installed the froyo with same result.

Only works the 2.1 no sound :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
Install the froyo FRX03 with the newest kernel. What phone do you have?(Pull out your battery, under it you will find someting like RHOD100 or something)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
i dont know how to do that about kernel.

I downloaded this: http://reefermattness.scepterr.info/ProjectAndroid2.2Froyo.121610.cab

my phone is a tilt 2 (blue)

Now ill try with the instal from rar archives
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
I guess you can call me dumb.... but

There is no any kind of file explorer in FRX03? I cannot seem to find it anywhere ....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] afrizal_chen:
Go to Android Market, search for Astro File Manager or OI File Manager.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
Unbelievable, so there really is not any built-in file browser...?

I could surely do that, but...nobody requested it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
FRX03 is AOSP - as in clean from Google. Many (if not all) of the other builds have some sort of file manager (among other things)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] coolwater22:
just wondering......

idk if this has been brought up cause I read this thread just about everyday and havent seen any mention of it,srry if it has been mentioned....have any of you got a message that said " text message rejected" because of full memory im guessing...i tend to get it but i delete messages and i never receive the ones that got rejected..anyone know how or if i can receive the rejected messages and how to stop that error message from popping up.....thnx alot and again srry if its been mentioned....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Bld-:
The rom is working great on my Rhodium GSM.

The only "bugs" I've experienced are:

- Suddenly reboots (possilble cause: hang)

- Suddenly "Enter PIN screen" (No Idea why???)

- Cant get the GSM back from "standby" (pressed all keys) > soft reset only. (possible cause: hang I guess?)

If you need a log file, tell me!

Allthough these bugs are sometimes not handy, this is really a nice progress and I love how you guys get this all done.

With this rom my phone is actually more usefull then winmobile lol :) (thanks to the apps).

Good job!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] electricalve:
when we gonna get a new update? cmon arrrggghhhh and blazn we are waiting for you guys
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jchutch2:
We just got two new updates in the past 3 or 4 days. :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
hello i cant connect to my home wifi. It detects it, then i put pasword, but it still ''not connected''. The froyo and blazn cant detect my microsd. it says ''insert card''.

Someone know how to fix this?pzlz
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jchutch2:
Is it WEP ecryption?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
yes it was. now i set it to wpa. Not tried to connect yet.

Do u knw some about sd card??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jchutch2:
No, I don't. But the inability to connect to WEP is a known issue. It's in the FAQ along with much other info, if you wanna give it a go.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
what android reference are u using? it can detect ur sd card?

cheking faq...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] basendenise:
thnx for the info
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] slickdaddy96:
How in the heck are you getting that much battery life. With the battery trick and your 1,2 trick I still can only muster 7 hours with very minimum usage and about 5 hours if I use it heavily for 1-2 hours. I have the task killer set to safe and every 30 minutes killing apps. My biggest issue with my phone is the LED will not turn green indicating sleep mode after I use it for a few hours even if I kill every app running. It will never go back into sleep. That maybe part of my problem also.

Maybe it is my battery, because I only get probaby 12-14 hours minimum usage and 8-10 hours with a lot of usage in Windows Mobile.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Istria:
Just checked again.

Model: RHOD160 Rating: 3.7 Volt etc. etc.

It says RHOD160 very clearly.

Its a T-Mobile "MDA Vario 5" from the Netherlands.

TMobile brings out HTC's under that name for some reasen. It even says "MDA" instead of HTC on the front of the phone.

Maybe that's why its a RHOD160 ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
somebody help

eclair works excelent but without sound...

and this froyo, stock and blazn cant detect the micro sd, and the led is always on, and screen not turn off at all, jut change color to black brilliant.

can i have the eclair with sound??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
The "1,2" trick is BS. The kernel won't know what to do with it, and just ignore it, then it'll just grab the default - which I'm not even sure what the default is. Probably 0.

If you're reading 3.7v, that's on the battery dude. Pull the battery, and read off of the phone itself, where the battery goes basically - underneath it there's stickers will all sorts of info on it about the phone. The RHODXXX is kinda hard to read, as it's usually in a light grey font.

Why would you want eclair? You'd have to update the kernel either way if you want to stick to eclair, but FRX03 is the newest/best IMHO.

BLAZN is old (unfortunately) and Eclair is even older...

Any time it can't detect the SD card, format it with the HP Tool. Full format, FAT32.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jufece:
sorry, my fault
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] coolwater22:
can someone help me plz cause this is just about one of the main things that makes me not use this......any help??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
Hi till today i did not have an answer to my question.

Is there a very nice good fellow that can answer me?

I would like to do some tests and give my support to the forum.

Thanks

Original message:

Hi everyone i am new in this forum and i would like to ask a question ( which i think it was already asked!).

I am trying Android on my HTC Touch Pro2 (Rhod100) WM6.1 and i would like to know if this installation could influence the SO WM.

What i want to know is if i can try all Android versions only by formatting my SD without creating files and or problems to WM.

I am asking this information because on my HTC i have many important things which i would not want to lose.

Thanks

Antonyo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] F22:
As long as you stay away from the NAND build and use kernels designed for rhodium you should be fine. The rest of the builds use HaRET to start android from within WM every time you want to use android and do not harm your WM installation. In fact they require a working WM installation to run.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] snalbansed:
Though one should always back up everything they care about before doing anything like this - even though it is very very unlikely that there will be any problem!

It has happened for me that after running these builds, I could no longer run anything in WinMo (issues with everything being unsigned). The only way I could rectify it was with a hard reset - so WinMo was fine again, but anything stored on the phone (not the SD card) was lost.

This has happened only to a very few people, and no one has been able to explain it. It always happens if I use sovereigns Android Launcher application, but not if I just launch haret.exe directly.

I hope this doesn't stop you trying Android - it is wonderful compared to WinMo. Just make sure you have an ActiveSync recently and back up everything.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Qmaster11:
Boot problems

I've got the message:

No space left on device
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
Thanks F22 and snalbansed i will follow your advice.

I will do my best to give my contribution.

To do the back up to WM it will be ok to use SPB Backup?

I tried to install Android, but the strange thing is that the buttom power remained blocked.

In fact if i press the buttom power nothing happens.

Is that a comun error or it happens only to me?

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] F22:
power button

The power button didn't work until Oct. 12th or so. It sounds like you're running an older kernel.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
Hi i am using: XDAndroid2.2Froyo.121610, system-FRX03, rootfs-20101115-42b44e2, modules-2.6.27.46-01247-g4ec4b39-dirty.

So i don't understand where is the problem!!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
Get your kernel(modules and zImage) from this thread
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jphaus:
I have the the same issue with the green LED not coming on as often as it should. When it doesn't, my battery life is terrible (like 5-6 hours). When it does, I can go 14 or more. I have tried all kinds of task killers and nothing seems to help. I have tried to figure out which app is not behaving but it seems to be different every time. Most often it seems to be the map application though. Using Rhod400.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
the kernel that you told me is not the latest version.

in fact, In the latest kernel version it was activated the keyboard backlight.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
Are youo sure that you downloaded the 1250 kernel from 7 jan?

I use that kernel too and my backlight is working.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
my fault, you are right i did notice the date, this is recent.

I have a question.

Each time that i update the kernel, do i have to eliminate the file data.img?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
If you're only updating your kernel it isn't necessary. Only if you're updating your system, like from FRX03 to gingerbread for example.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
as a rootfs is good this one rootfs-20101115-42b44e2 or ther is another one more recent.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] MrPib:
That's generally true, though I've found that I'll sometimes get odd behavior, such as Gmail refusing to open, random reboots, etc. that are cured by removing data.img.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
I don't know if there is one more recent, i'm using the same rootfs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
Any suggestion on how to set the clock?

At each reboot of android the hour is not exact.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Bieka:
Search for "Clock sync" on the market it is a blue icon with a clock inside. With that installed you can synchronize your clock. Also you can set a synchronize on boot. With that on you are good to go ;). Hope that helps! ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] antonyo17:
I am doing some tests and everything to work fine.

The system is good and the battery stays a good time.

WIFI is working really good, audio is good and so is the vibracall. :)

THe only thing that does not work is the camera. :mad:

I read that to eliminate the files FSCK from the root of the sd card you have to put this code:

rm-f / sdcard / rec *.

in the section CustomCommands.

Is anyone know where to find this section or how to get there?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
If you want your camera to work, you have to use another kernel.

Goto market and download a file explorer, like ASTRO. Go to your android map(map where you got the zimage, modules and haret files). Open the map conf and edit froyo.user. Scroll all the way down and you'll find the custom section.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] surge919:
Check out this thread..

I did it a while ago with an older kernel when I ran out of space so I don't know if it still works with the newer files, but I don't see a reason it shouldn't.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=824154
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] shatred:
if you want to use camera, you should try Tiad's froyo X

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=904918
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] MagnificentDPE:
I'm a NooB at this but I've tried several .cab's for Android on my HTC Touch Pro2 RODH100 T7373. Ofcourse I appriciate all the hard work people have been doin', but sometimes my phone just goes to a black screen and doesn't wake up any more. The screen stays black.

I use Froyo 2.2 FRX03 16-12-10 version I think (latest version). Before installing I update te zImage etc

1) Is this normal? What have I done wrong, and more important can I fix it?

I really like android for the Whatsapp program. My next phone won't be a WM based phone, this really sucks. Next will be or Android or Iphone4. Still have to wait for my subscription ends and I can renew with a new phone. This will be november/december this year, so a long time for me to wait, therefor I want to use Andoid in the mean time.

2) Is there any leadtime for the BT to work, Then I do not have to switch back and forth from Android to WM

Thnx again for all the good works sofar, hope battery lifetime increases fast, and also working BT would be nice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Christiaan91:
If your phone isn't waking up from its sleep, you have a Sleep of Death (SoD). You can't do a thing about it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
If you have GPS enabled (even if it's not ON, just ENABLED) the phone doesn't want to sleep.

Sometimes I've had an app that needed to be killed for the phone to sleep, but this was rare.

Settings -> Location & Security -> Uncheck 'Use GPS Sats' - the phone will now sleep. There's already a bug on this on the bugtracker.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] burymeinblack:
Froyo 2.2 Touch Pro 2 MMS

So maybe I missed it, but I've been trying to get MMS to work on my Sprint TP2. Any ideas or solutions that I might have missed? Thanks ahead of time.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
I was able to get MMS to work outbound, but I get nothing on inbound. However, you need to use the camera testing kernel to properly use outbound MMS.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] burymeinblack:
And where can I get this kernel and how do I put it to use? Sorry for my noob behavior, but I'm fairly new to this side of things.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
Is there a way to boot android in potrait mode? mine always boot into landscape mode...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] jchutch2:
Known issue. It's in the FAQ. Just slide it open, then closed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
http://glemsom.users.anapnea.net/android2/htc-msm-linux/

Just download the top one, extract and copy to your andboot directory, delete your old zimage, rename your new zimage-xxx-blah-blah-blah to zimage, and then boot.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
ah, thanks, did not think it was a bug, I thought it is some configuration thing, so looked in wrong place. Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] JJHiemenz:
or you can even just press the left arrow button. (just to the left of the end call button, 2nd from right)

Do either of these during the animated boot screen or later.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] burymeinblack:
For some reason the link is dead. Have another one for me?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] MagnificentDPE:
Thnx, I thought that was the case. I noticed that allmost all my SoD's occur while sliding the phone back from keyboard.

Anyone else have that same problem? Maybe the developpers can take a look at this?

PS; Any news on the E.T.A. for BT to work, I'm curious?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Deafcyclist:
I've been wanting to update lately and every times I tried to update, the utility would say that I have nov 24th and do not need to update. however I see mentions around here about this and that zimages and whatnot. I tried going to the link that burymeinblack tried too and it's dead too. When i go to the link, i only see this "could not find driver".

Is the update utility borked again or we are starting to move some of the updated files elsewhere or what? I tried following all of the links in the project tracking in the main site and couldn't find any newer files.

Apologies if this have been answered lately. It's just really confusing to me at the moment. Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
How is standby battery drain for you guys? Mine is on latest kernel, runs pretty nice, but standby battery drain is pretty significant.

In airplane mode, if I let it sit overnight for about 12 hours, I'd lose maybe around 30% battery. My real android phone with Froyo (Galaxy S with Nero v3 ROM) only lose 3% battery with cellphone one during same period.

Any idea what is making this huge difference?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Proper panel collapse. The panel *appears* off, but it's not. WisTilt2 is working on this, and his test kernel properly shuts panel off on all but the RHOD100 AFAIK.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Here's the thread on cam testing - note, this is still in a testing phase, so it has issues.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
Cool, great to know! Where can I find that test kernel?

I guess it is this? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=885550
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Sorry, should've linked that thread. Yes, you've found it :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] snalbansed:
I can't speak for the update utility, as I haven't used it for a long time.

However, there are lots of updates for you if you do it manually!

The Glensom Autobuild service has been down for sometime now (no new kernels are being built). This is probably why you haven't got any updates lately. In it's place, F22 has been building the kernels and posting them on a thread in this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=869992

As well as this, there are two testing threads that might be of interest to you:

This one has the camera working (in a different forum, but works for our device).

This one is another test kernel.

Forum superusers - is it possible to make the F22 kernel thread sticky?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Deafcyclist:
thank you! that got the thread stickied. looking over it now. :-D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] tzh2231:
I really wished these 2 can merge together ：)

Stuck at work for now, cannot wait to get home and try the new kernels.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
They partially have been already. The newest cam kernel is completely up to date with the newest 1250 (and all the previous) commit(s).

However, WisTilt2 is still refining his panel collapse code, so the test kernel I posted from him is probably still going to be the best for battery life. Plus, bzo found another issue with a gpio using a pin from BT and cam for the keyboard.

Patience. This doesn't happen overnight, and while the code moves very quickly, commits don't always keep up. Devs do their best, and it'll all get committed eventually - just be patient! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] AkumaX:
yes, can't wait for all the commits to happen this round :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] vnes1984:
Thanks for the update, looking forward to the latest and greatest.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] Qmaster11:
Question

I have a prepaid and how can I get google search working and sound for music?:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Android Development] arrrghhh:
Erm, what? Google Search should work, so should sound. Are you saying you don't have a data connection...? If you don't have a data plan, then you'll need to use wifi to connect to the 'net.