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[HD2 General] large12006:
Upgrade

I wouldnt be to bothered about it as when you look into this ours wil stil run windows mobile 7 easily. we still have double the required memory, plus we will it looks as tho they will just upgrade the memory to a gig. you wont notice the differance if you install your apps on the memory card. thats the only place we lose out.

Core requirements:

Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)

Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)

Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal

Touch: Multi-touch required

Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.

Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).

Peripherals:

Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)

GPS: aGPS required

Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)

USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.

BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.

Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.

Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.

Options:

FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.

Haptics

SD Card (Micro SD recommended)

DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all option
[HD2 General] deyanp:
Is it that hard to read "1G+ Flash"? There is a hope that perhaps 512 would also be OK, but the spec does not say "sd card also counts towards flash" or similar ...
[HD2 General] bzdemes:
Let me first say I understand that HTC and T-Mobile can do what they want in regards to releasing a HD2 version 2 for the US. That doesn't mean people shouldn't be annoyed to see a spec bump for the US version. I only got this 1 month ago which was a fast as I could get it with O2. I mean sure I expect a HD3 in the future to come along but this spec bump this soon is annoying. I mean they still haven't ironed out the last of the bugs with the phone as it is. Now we are gonna have 2 versions for them to support. I am sure we will soon see us people with version 1 of the phone getting less support than those with version 2.

Don't get me wrong I LOVE my HD2 but sucks that I have the "lesser" HD2.
[HD2 General] shaggydabbydo:
I install my apps on the memory card (I have a UK HD2 T8585 coming from Virgin with a 1.48 ROM that came unlocked).

Apparently Microsoft Marketplace apps can only be installed on phone memory. So, just another reason not to buy apps from Microsoft Marketplace for me then :)
[HD2 General] Richy99:
until a new one is offically released you dont ;)
[HD2 General] samcro:
After this facts, the real question is if the EU HD2 will be upgradable to WM7.

I belive that people it's mainly upset because most of them got the phone whit the hope of an upgrade to WM7 (also if not officially declared by htc).

Bye
[HD2 General] gsingh7:
It will called HD2-S LOL jk

i reckon they gonna announce or show it in the MWC in Barcelona with 6.5.3 :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
in a nother post people have discovered extra rams in old hd2 but disabled by software may be t mobile version is like ours
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
Official response received 2 mins ago:

New Response From [ Amr (South East EU Support (Tech)) ]

Dear Mr. Bute,

Thank you for contacting us,

Regarding your request, kindly be informed that this handset is T-mobile USA branded, these features are specially ordered by T-mobile USA and this handset will only be released in the US market as it will not work with the European Network system nor will it work with any network other than T-mobile USA.

Please note that you can contact us via support line. For further details, please go to http://www.htc.com/europe/CA_Hotline.aspx, you'll find a toll free number that you can dial only from a landline.

Best Regards,

HTC Team

http://www.htc.com

--------------------------------

Nothing more to say... :|
[HD2 General] lee1980:
Pleaaaaase don't call it "old". ;-)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
IAM SORRY the new hd2
[HD2 General] romac:
fake!!!! Fake!!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it seems not as some tested it and works
[HD2 General] :
So, where's the link :) ?
[HD2 General] shu8i:
beneath this threat lol

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622964
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
are you with me that it might be true like what happened with the prototype it shows 320 but after upgrade it shows 448 who knows where are we going to reach
[HD2 General] ragelord:
this is what i received

it looks like a truly official statement as the response i received is identical to the one sent to Mr Bute. I hope it is true, but are they really going to sell hd2 with the same amount of memory as the first version in the rest of the world? that is a serious question ...
[HD2 General] str0g:
I've got response from htc Poland and...

Windows mobile 7 for hd2: Unknown, until system will be released.

More ROM and RAM: Only for T-Mobile its theirs branding.
[HD2 General] hnparedes:
I don't think that there's any RAM hidden in the already sold HD2. The fact that previous versions (test versions) had less memory, doesn't mean anything. Just the fact that HTC decided that it would be better to have more RAM and they changed the chips.

T-Mobile wanted different specs, so they paid ti HTC to do something different. Like the Pro2, that had 3.5 jack in some carriers.

And the rumor that it's to be upgradeable to "Seven", that's saying already too much. I would say that none of the HD2 to be released till the launch of Seven will be upgradeable...
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
What's the big deal? Anything I install goes on my memory card and anything that is installed automatically on the internal memory (ie anything off the Marketplace) can be completely transferred over to the memory card using Pocket Mechanic. I also find it highly unlikely it would prevent a WM7 install being an option looking at the minimum specs Microsoft has released, especially when the cookers on here get their hands on it.

Personally, I couldn't give a s**t the folks across the Atlantic are getting a slightly better and updated version of a phone I have had since November, the bottom line is it's likely to make bugger all difference to everyday use and when all said and done that's what's important.
[HD2 General] suicidal.banana:
Just send the below, gave my best effort of being nice and not *****ing, but tbh im quite furious, first they sell us a phone that cant even send sms, then they make hardware changes for vodaphone usa? wouldnt surprize me at all if they also adressed camera and/or radio issues
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the chinese post about the hidden ram was made before the t mobile is announced by several days and it was tested here in the forum and worked and they discovered the same amount of ram that exists in hd2 tmobile so the hidden ram may be strongly true
[HD2 General] hnparedes:
Yes, I know. But from what I read, that value was obtained using the T-Mobile ROM, or not?!

And also, why hide RAM only? Because the ROM is still 512MB! :confused:
[HD2 General] s21s20:
well it looks like we may have extra ram available once flashed with a certain radio or rom according to some previous reports, bringing the ram close to the specs of the US version.

And as far as the internal storage, you can purchase pocket mechanic and it has a function to relocate any app to be relocated to the sd card including all the ones that i had purchased from market place.

Problem solved
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Why are you 'quite furious'? I must say I find it rather amusing how people are getting so wound up about something so trivial. And the 80% figure in your letter is debatable to say the least, I have never had the issue nor have the other four people I personally know with a HD2.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
they may have upgraded the t mobile rom only and a suitable driver to activate the hidden rams who knows
[HD2 General] emigrating:
You've never had an SMS message sit quietly in your outbox for hours (or even days) before sending? Count yourself lucky mate. I've had to enable the SMS receipt feature as I was never sure if the message was sent or not - the same goes for other HD2 owners I know.

As for being "quite furious" - the fact they are making hardware changes to the US revision means they could very well be updating other aspects of the phone also. The big one here would be sorting out the camera to get rid of the pink splodge on a hardware level rather than trying to mask it with software, but there are plenty of other things they could be getting "right" this time around also - such as the signal strenght / antenna situation, the speakerphone crackling, the constant data connection freezes etc.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I'm not saying you're wrong, but aren't you just assuming here? Seems that you're letting your own assumptions wind you up. Wait till you know for sure. Bear in mind, also, that these are changes that T-Mobile are paying for. It's not HTC just fixing a bunch of stuff and adding some more memory while they're at it!
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
I must indeed be lucky, as well as the four other people I know who have the phone as I said. I have never once had the issue in all the firmwares I have used, and I must be on my fifth or sixth now. As for the camera issue, it was barely noticeable on my phone when I got it back in November and became even less noticeable when I applied the patch so perhaps my view on this is distorted by the fact I have had a relatively trouble free time with the phone. But as it's not been confirmed the camera hardware has been changed it's a little early to jump the gun on that one. I have also had no problem with the other issues you list there.

I just don't see why people think they're owed a living with this. HTC are fully within their right to update hardware as they go along, as long as it's within reason. And would the difference to the T-Mobile HD2 really make that much difference to the everyday use of the device? I think not myself.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Even if this alleged Chinese ROM does cause the amount of RAM reported to change, is it not more likely that it simply changes what is reported as opposed to changing what is actually there? If, for example, this ROM was ripped from a forthcoming T-Mobile US ROM, then the amount of memory it displays is very likely just a hard-coded number rather than something that actually depends on the amount of memory present. Remember the first ROM update for the TP2? It changed the amount of RAM that was reported, but it had no effect on the amount that was actually useable.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
in the post iam talking about the information are taken from the windows main about page so this means that the windows is reading the real hardware of the device
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
How sure are you that it is not merely reading a hard-coded value?
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Only way to find out is to use all available RAM which ain't easy. Hard coded or not, we can figure out.

But seriously... It's like we are trying to convince ourselves of something almost not possible...
[HD2 General] suicidal.banana:
Guess i should have elaborated a bit more, my bad, here goes;

Im 'quite furious' for these reasons;

[1] Agreeing with emigrating, im happy on your behalf, but i think the 80% isnt that far off, everyone i know that has a HD2 has the sms issues, and most phone forums are buzzing with people constantly trying to find a fix for it, but okay lets call it 70% then, just yesterday i found myself sending out 18 sms-es all send days to weeks ago (no overstatement, really, 18)

[2] There was never any word about a special version of the HD2, given, they're in no way obligated to do so, but it would have been nice

[3] Theres more, like pink camera, sd card size, random switching band (yes is part of radio) etc, this is a constantly growing list of 'little bugs', some got makeshift fixes (which for the sms didnt fix it)

But the main and foremost reason is this;

Lets for a moment think of the HD2 as a console, a xbox360, its newly released and everybody is all jumping the bandwagon and getting a xbox360 for its rad specs and cool whapics.

Then the first problems emerge, like red ring (sms hanging) At first M$ replys to all red ring mails saying they are sorry and working on a fix.

2 months later, in comes xbox360, but this time it cannot red ring, has a blue ray player and a 5tb drive...

Get my point? i fully understand theres no 'right' here, we already payed for our devices, were not in the position for a device replacement, but i feel totally assmangled by HTC, instead of fixing the problems, they just dont seem to care, up the specs a bit, and sell a few hundred thousand more devices.

I love my HD2 (usa or non-usa hardware both) and will continue to love HTC, this just isnt morally right, fix my hd2 before u give america a new one
[HD2 General] Archer:
Sorry mate - this obviously means a lot to you - but I really think you should take a good long look around and see what goes on on this planet every day before you start saying that an introduction of a new hardware config to a mobile phone "isn't morally right". It's just wound you up is all. There's a massive difference and it sounds like this means too much to you.
[HD2 General] emigrating:
Sure I am - I haven't seen the US version of the phone yet, but it would make sense for them [HTC] to fix these niggly little bugs whilst they're already revising the hardware. I don't actually think the camera issue will be fixed as the Nexus One shows similar problems but it's certainly a possibility - as are any of the other fixes I proposed as they are all fairly 'simple'.

If they do indeed fix all of these I expect us to see these being rolled out worldwide due to manufacturing costs of keeping two lines going - at which point all the "early adopters" truly are screwed.

Of course, revising hardware happens all the time, in all industries - but if a later revision repairs a problem seen in earlier ones they can expect trouble ahead :)

As for TM paying for these upgrades - I highly doubt it.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Got your point? Not really, no. You see, you decided to make a ridiculously exaggerated parallel that has no bearing on the situation we're talking about here. How does the HD2 coming with additional memory and a couple of coloured buttons in any way relate to an Xbox 360 console with the addition of a 5tb drive, a BluRay player and complete immunity to faults?

Unless you know they have fixed every issue you have had with this new T-Mobile HD2 (and you don't know that) then your post above is somewhat ridiculous.
[HD2 General] mrdrifter:
Hello to all!

I live in Greece.

Vodafone brought the phone here,at Greece first..at 700€!Also a month later one of the biggest PC-technology companies in greece (PLAISIO) brought it at the same price..Since now the price remains the same(at those shops)..Even today, that something like that apears...just imagine the profit!

A lot of people that dont have internet skills dont know that they are going to buy something in such a price and after some months the same product (with some more upgrades) will pop up again in the market!

I think that they are treating us like sheeps(animals,robots whatever!)!I dont like to be treated like this because i dont deserve it and of course by the time that i pay 700€ to buy it....! This is a generall problem with the marketplace...

A lot of you said that the technology evolves etc...Yes thats good (in some ways..) but technology evolves WITH OUR MONEY..not their...so i want them to respect me as a client and as a human being...not to USE ME and treat me in way they get a profit... Yes yes..Jungle laws..(we are worst than the jungle!):)

You will then say you are not obliged to buy it...nobody is..

I think that the matter now is moral...not the few extra mb in rom..

PS: sorry for my english..Also i am not attacking to anyones words and beliefs..generally speaking.
[HD2 General] DuoM:
Firstly I would be shocked if there were anymore RAM in the current version of the HD2 than is listed on the HTC website. Just because a test mule running test software was different than the released version doesn't mean that the European HD2 has more RAM hidden somewhere. That's just wishful thinking.

I had expected HTC to increase the RAM in the HD2 to 512MB to match the Nexus One and probably also the Bravo (different from the leaked specs, I know) but I was surprised to see 576MB listed.

I don't think that this change came from T-Mobile (RAM wasn't a problem on this device), I think that this has come from looking at the developing hardware specs of WM 7 + what HTC think they need to run Sense UI on top of that.

The 1GB ROM change probably comes from a number of places. The fact that the HD2 ROM is so bloated that it leaves surprisingly little free ROM anyway. The changing requirements of WM7 + Sense UI, oh and the stupidity of Microsoft when it came to designing their Marketplace probably gave both T-Mobile and HTC cause for concern.

As for the camera hardware and other hardware fixes, yes, I'd hope to see these in the US version. I'd also love to see a Mk II EU version that also had the expanded RAM/ROM but considering that this never happened with the 3.5mm jack I won't hold my breath.

I would expect that if the US version gets a hardware fix for the camera module and fixes for any other hardware that is common to both units then these will be applied to later versions of the EU device.

Don't expect a product recall for something like this which has such a short life cycle though. Handset manufacturers would prefer to soldier on with software fixes.

To the early adopters who are feeling cheated, I can only say that this is how it goes with technology.

You pay more and you get the worst hardware and the most software problems. Later adopters pay less, get the better hardware with fewer software issues, but leave it too late and you may end up with cheaper parts in the device due to the price falling to rock bottom at the end of it's life cycle.

Everyone knew that the phone had 448MB RAM and 512MB ROM and as long as it actually had that they can't complain. As for the hardware issues and software issues it was up to each owner to make a judgment call and decide if they were going to send the device back or persevere and hope for the best.

Forums like this help people trying to make that judgment call or trying to make a purchasing decision which is just one of the reasons that I'm very much against people jumping on others for complaining about a problem with a device.

The real question though is whether or not the EU HD2 will be able to run WM7 when it finally arrives. I'm sure that there will be many versions that can be run unofficially but will the hardware support an official version from HTC?
[HD2 General] bulanula:
Seems as though the junky edition of the HD2 might indeed get the extra ROM as well !

Look here : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622964&page=15
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
I understand what you are trying to say, but you are going way to far with this...

Xbox360 = 20GB (at launch) - 5 TB (x A LOT)

HD2 = 512 (at launch) - 1GB (x2)

At first I was very mad about this, I even wrote HTC an e-mail. I want that 16GB card! :mad:

The 576Mb RAM is still not sure, maybe the original HD2 has it as wel.

1GB could have been very nice, because I have an issue with the amount we original owners have... it is not much...

I am only pissed because people keep saying only the USA version will get 'WM7', which would make me go insane. But hey, that sounds like bull****. It is the same phone, both are called the HD2. So if WM7 will come, it comes to both.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
That's BS. People here are idiots, they don't have a clue at all.

Don't listen to what people "keep saying". The truth is that both versions of the HD2 are capable of running WM7 and nothing has been announced officially, which means we don't know anything about whether there will be an official upgrade.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yes!! I totally get your point. What you're saying is that when the new HD2 comes out, if mine gets damaged then there will be no stock of the older HD2s and I'll get the newer version, exactly like what would happen in your example!

Thanks - I'll be sure to let HTC know that you've taken sole responsibility for updating all our HD2s, if they fail, with newer versions :)

Or are you suggesting that Microsoft would only sell the "fixed" Xbox 360s to a certain group of buyers, and everyone else would have to stick with the ones that fail?
[HD2 General] Archer:
+1 totally mate. Glad to see not everyone's caught in the headlights.
[HD2 General] suttonjk82:
Most people here are missing one big point... the upgraded HD2 is the T-Mobile USA version, not HTC. Tmo USA branded that device and they are the ones that ordered the upgraded specs for their customers. This has nothing to do with HTC trying to shaft you and everything to do with Tmo trying to lure customers away from At&t and Verizon!
[HD2 General] Quze:
my HD2 is comming this week 75 euro, T-mobile yay!
[HD2 General] kweiss10:
I read somewhere that only t-mobile USA will be offering the HD2 with the content BOOST.

So my question is, will the device work in europe? Im not a pro in this matter so thats why im asking coz as far as i know, each carrier works on a different frequency.

can anyone confirm if this is true and if the HD2 v2 will come to Europe or not?

if they called our device the HD2 lite and the new one the HD2 Pro or something then it wouldnt hurt so much but since it carries the same name and is only 2 months apart from each other, that hurts a lot.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yep - it's just like O2 selling the iPhone, and no-one else being allowed to. It's just a company doing a deal with another company to.... guess what....

MAKE MONEY!!!

Who cares. My phone's plenty cool and it's right here, right now. I'll be bored of it and looking for the next thing by the time the HD2b comes out. (That's not the official name that HTC and TMO are giving it, so call it that from now on to distinguish the 2 devices with different hardware, therefore separate devices.)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
People here are missing a lot of points...

They've got no clue about how technology and business work.
[HD2 General] kweiss10:
I read somewhere that only t-mobile USA will be offering the HD2 with the content BOOST.

So my question is, will the device work in europe? Im not a pro in this matter so thats why im asking coz as far as i know, each carrier works on a different frequency.

can anyone confirm if this is true and if the HD2 v2 will come to Europe or not?

if they called our device the HD2 lite and the new one the HD2 Pro or something then it wouldnt hurt so much but since it carries the same name and is only 2 months apart from each other, that hurts a lot.

so any ideas?
[HD2 General] Archer:
The new device is called the HD2b (as per a previous post), so there's something!
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
HAve someone gotten an answer from HTC yet?
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yes mate - there's been quite a few posts about this that were (apparently) from HTC.

They've basically said that yes, the device is different, but it will ONLY be supplied to TMO in the US. Also, they've denied that it has anything to do with a Windows mobile 7 upgrade. It's just a marketting thing (I added that last bit ;))

They also confirmed that the model number is HD2b (I made this last bit up)