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[G1 Android Development] silvrhat7:
I totally agree -- I need the physical keyboard for my big thumbs.. lol.

Do you know if we will be able to root the new Magic, or will it have that latest Rogers upgrade and be unrootable and therefore unable to change the rom?

Silvrhat
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
couple posts back the guy posted the dream magic upgrade, it said all the magics they are shipping now that its back on are fixed e911 phones, so yeah their rom is more then likely on it so unrootable for now

though the sense us is fairly decent to use till a root is found, not like its a slow 1.1 android the dream came with!
[G1 Android Development] SilentTweak:
Wow. This dude at Technical Support won't even restore my data when I ask nicely. I was all like, "I can't do my job at work without my data, and you're telling me I have to wait? I did the silly update already." He's all like, "Sorry sir we can't restore you data it's all automatic... You'll have to wait." "Not even a network refresh?" "No sir impossible."

Great.

Anyway, forwarded myself to Billing, then got my free Magic. Those who get it don't forget to do the $50 mail-in-rebate, even if they don't send you the piece of paper. You can download it online. I spoke to a retentions representative and try getting more credits on my account but they wouldn't budge.

Oh well. I guess I won't have internet today to go study.
[G1 Android Development] teknoname:
So much misinformation my head is about to explode.

My Rogers HTC Dream situation is I'm running the EBI0 radio, with CyanogenMod (Latest) and bcrook's netfix2 (Not netfix3).

Yesterday morning voice calls were fine, then in the afternoon they were redirected. A quick chat with Rogers customer support and I had voice calls back. 3G/Data has not waivered since the 24th of January.

It seems from this thread that neither the Netfix2/3 (build.prop modifications) NOR the Rogers EBI1 radio image have made a difference? Conflicting information for both but what does this mean?

Are they scanning the SPL instead? What else could they be "scanning" for?
[G1 Android Development] xaueious:
Rogers refused data for my friend, who has an imported Vodafone 32B Magic.

He wanted the IMEI and build number, on an imported phone! What the frick? Wouldn't budge to give data.

FOR EVERYONE ON THE DREAM. JUST UPGRADE TO THE EBI1 RADIO. YOU DO LOSE OUT ON ROM SELECTION, BUT CYANOGENMOD WORKS GREAT EVEN WITHOUT RAMHACK. THERE'S EVEN BFS.
[G1 Android Development] SirBastille:
Some of us were from the start and to no avail. If I still have no luck after spoofing my build number, my only option is to try using a modded version of the update and then go back, but that also risks bricking.
[G1 Android Development] 0mega1:
WesGarner has a CMod remake up with CFS + RamHack that bcrook ported to EBI1. I'm running it, it's fantastic. And I have my data.

(Upsized for emphasis that the rogers radio is the key ;) )
[G1 Android Development] teknoname:
So the theory is now that you need both EBI1 radio AND bcrooks netfix3 build.prop patches?
[G1 Android Development] xaueious:
My theory is that the new radio works, but if they think you didn't upgrade somehow in their database (if they took down your IMEI, w/e) they will hunt you down.
[G1 Android Development] SirBastille:
So far I've contacted Rogers three times now, and my IMEI wasn't asked for until the third time. Unless the first time I called in, they screwed something up, the radio alone wasn't enough.

First time, I phoned saying it had been 12 hours since I updated (To Cyanogen but I left that detail out) and still had no data so he said he would refresh my network settings.

I waited a day and nothing sadly, so I phoned again and they said the only other thing they could do was stuff that couldn't be done while I was using my phone so they just told me to take my battery out for a bit and if that didn't work then to call back.

Third time, they asked for my build number and then my IMEI after I let my build number slip accidentally and had to use the workaround that I was running a developer's version of the android OS which had the patch applied, but they wouldn't reactivate my phone unless my build number exactly matched what bcrook's patch is designed to fix.

There didn't seem to be a note attached to my account saying I was running something besides non-Rogers software on my phone by the third time I called in, but there probably is now.
[G1 Android Development] xaueious:
Update to THE RADIO

And the patch doesn't actually do anything. You do need the information though when you talk to them. It's been posted here a few times.
[G1 Android Development] SirBastille:
Dream PVT 32B ENG S-Off

HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA21000)

CPLD-4

RADIO-3.22.26.17

My radio is the correct radio, or should be at least. The number matched the one that was on the page saying what I need to update to on a Roger's phone so I didn't bother attempting to perform the steps on the wiki page for updating the radio.
[G1 Android Development] westway11:
I did the network refresh on January 25th and just put up with the calls and text messages, but then I read on here that Rogers was blocking outgoing calls for some people, this is when I decided to do the radio update. 18 hours after doing the radio update Rogers blocked all of my outgoing calls, I thought I would wait 24 hours for them to do a network rescan and maybe detect my new settings, and what do you know, it worked. Everything was re-enabled and all harassing texts and calls stopped.

I also called Rogers earlier today and got my free Magic, it didn't cost me a penny, but it did renew my contract to the full 3 years. But whatever, no big deal, I was only 5 months into it anyway. I figure I'll just sell the Magic and use the money to buy myself out of the contract and ditch Rogers completely. Then I'll probably sell my Dream and use the money towards the Milestone on Telus and at least that way I'll have a short contract with them.
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
i still have yet to do any radio updates or anything. stickin it out for the next bit till the milestone comes out, im not ruining my dream just to use it for a month more on rogers. i havent got a single call or txt in the last 3 days, they cut my outgoing yesterday got it fixed right away, so hopefully no more harassment for the next month or so, telus wont make us downgrade our dreams like this and they allow them on the network just gotta unlock.
[G1 Android Development] Jmac1313:
This just became official like 10 min ago.

-https://your.rogers.com/web_auth/HTCwaiver.asp?cm_mmc=Redirects-_-Consumer_Wireless_Eng-_-Form-_-HTCwaiver
[G1 Android Development] no_cannabis:
Cool. THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE ON JAN 24TH.
[G1 Android Development] SirBastille:
Figures. My IMEI registers as invalid to them. More phone calls ahead~ Thanks for the heads up though.

Edit:

4) Rogers will not be liable to me or any third party for any personal injury or damages resulting from or relating to the inability of my HTC device to complete a 9-1-1 call and I will compensate Rogers for any costs it incurs relating to same.

>I will compensate Rogers for any costs it incurs relating to same.

This sounds like a great thing to agree to! Somewhat glad I can't use the form and have to phone in to agree.
[G1 Android Development] dawgbone98:
Makes sense.

The last thing they want is to be held liable because you couldn't call 911. Not sure how that would even play out though.
[G1 Android Development] SirBastille:
I fully agree with them not being held liable in the event I cannot call 911, but the ambiguity of compensating Rogers isn't something I'll readily agree to.
[G1 Android Development] dawgbone98:
It's specifically referring to the inability to make a 9-1-1 call on your HTC phone.

Pretty standard "cover my ass" agreement.
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
calling right now is probably just stupid, there is probably huge line up waits to even get to a lvl1. it will probably be this way all week with the amount of dream users in canada.

ill wait till tomorrow see if they flick on for us 1.6+ people if not ill call in and wait in the long wait.
[G1 Android Development] godofthesms:
The issue is there isnt THOUSANDS of people who are running hacked rogers g1... the ones who aren't just do the update and stfu! they call there useless call center and get the service they are supposed to get!

For the ones who want to defy the rules and break them well there are consequences! The way i see your calls will fall on deaf ears ;) If you have free time to spare and ***** and complain about to people who dont give a **** then great.

i work for a mobile aggregator and i know exactly how the Operators control this sort of stuff.. Crtc wont help YOU... Rogers IS ALLOWED to update There HANDSETS! if you went about "Hacking" your handset out of the normal then hey your on your own ;)
[G1 Android Development] godofthesms:
1.6 is not available for G1 on Rogers! It just wont "Flick" on otherwise it would be working already! :)
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
yes rogers has all rights to put updates out, they have no rights to refuse data on phones we got data plans on for 1-2-3 years and MAKE us take the updates in that manner. updates have and always will be user choice. not a corp telling u to bend over take it and give us data back.
[G1 Android Development] godofthesms:
i agree but the update is not to fix "Data" issues its to fix the 911 issue. Which by CRTC rules MUST be working offered service. This opens the door for them to close out the hackers.

Unfortunately if they are using a new radio to communicate data to the phone and you don't have it well... You just need to do the update :) and they are not obliged to support "Non rogers" phones which they don't.. So Even if you have a rogers phone you call there and try to argue your point... they will give you service and you need to follow there procedures.. UPDATE! :)

My guess is that soon there will be a work around! Unfortunately i use my device for company support since i am on IT team so i need my data... I will update unfortunately and hopefully later on there will be a hack :)

i cant live without my data! :)
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
Rogers is of course, allowed to update THEIR handsets.

There are two problems with this though.

1. This is MY handset, not Rogers'. I paid for it outright..

2. Rogers has a contract with their customers, to provide certain services. There were no stipulations regarding softwares versions, in the contract, so they are legally bound to continue providing services. My phone is part of a corporate plan, which does have legal obligations, and SLA's.

Again, this isn't about me hacking my phone so that it doesn't work on GSM networks. Its about Rogers hacking my account, to disable my data services, because I don't run the phone they want me to run.

That would be like Rogers saying I can't use my old Motorola handset for voice services, because its not a Rogers branded handset. I guarantee they won't go that far, because the general public knows better. A GSM handset is a GSM handset. data is data. Its not a matter of my non-compliance with the protocols Rogers employs.

Anywho, I'm on the phone with them again, trying to get this resolved.
[G1 Android Development] Tolarian:
Talked to Rogers again after another 45 minutes wait, tried to use the same technique (t-mobile G1, etc.) and they did not flinch. They basically said that any android phone not using the exact version in the update will not have data services.
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
*611 and 1888 both are closed for rogers, how are you guys getting through?
[G1 Android Development] BRad Barnett:
Er?!

This has absolutely nothing to do with 'them using a new radio'. The only reason anyone does not have data access on their cell phone, is because Rogers manually switched that access off.

The reasons for doing so are actually quite reasonable. They need to be positive that all Dream users "get the message" that they need to upgrade.

The only issue here, is in how users that do not need a bug-fix for 911 services are being treated. So far, my experience with Fido was quite reasonable.

I called, explained I had a t-mobile G1, that the update for 911 services was patched 5 months ago by t-mobile/htc, and that I'm fine. They then reconnected me in a matter of minutes.

Again, no radio update was required on my phone, or on a Cyanogenmodded phone, for anything to work. The bug patch is to fix 911 services for Rogers ROM phones only.

Just for clarification, however, it should be noted that Rogers caused this emergency in the first place. This bug is very old, and if handled on time it would not have been an emergency.

So again, the only 'need' to update, is a forced one by Rogers. While reasonable, the re-enabling of services for those not effected has been difficult for some...
[G1 Android Development] godofthesms:
i may wait and call tomorrow and try to get them to re-activate the account also as you say ... Just tel them your using 1.6 patched already how long did it take you to do this? how many hours of phone call?
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
Ok, just got off the phone with them again.

I think I've figured out what they've done.

I put my SIM previously in my G1, into another non G1 device, and still have no data. This proves they're disabling data services per account. HOWEVER, my account wasn't associated with a g1 in the first place. Their records show me as having a blackberry. This means they scanned the entire Rogers network, for G1 phones. If you were caught with one, your account was flagged and data disabled.

Rogers claims to have no way around this right now, but assured me that they have their techs working on a solution to manually remove the G1 flag from accounts. They said they should have something figured out by tomorrow.

Can anyone else confirm data services are disabled for your account, rather than just your g1?
[G1 Android Development] bixby22:
No Data

I have two phones on my account, a magic (with the 911 update from rogers) and a g1 rooted with dwang.

Earlier today I lost data on both devices, called rogers, they turned data back on both devices. Now however I have no data on my G1 again.. I do not have the magic in my possession atm, as the gf has it, but I confirmed with her that her data is working fine.

This makes me think it's now just my G1 that has no data, and not the whole account..
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
One SIM or two?
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
BRad Barnet: Any idea who you spoke to to get your data restored?
[G1 Android Development] bixby22:
Two SIMs...
[G1 Android Development] thedude2k:
I can confirm it. My HTC Dream has no data, and neither does my old Treo (both of which appear in the My Account page at rogers). I called tech to tell him I'm done with their BS and I'm using my Treo again so why do I not have data -- he went to "network" to get the answer and according to him its the account that is flagged and that the "network" will scan and see its not an HTC device and reactivate (or so the theory goes).

Apparently if I don't have data by tomorrow on my Treo I should call them again and they'll manually remove the Dream "flag" ... thats what he told me.

Who knows if the network will continue scanning and re-adding the flag in the FUTURE... if it does, then its clearly a case of device discrimination which AFAIK is illegal (but I'm not a lawyer so I'll let others debate that issue).

Oh well.
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
Try swapping sims between the phones?

I wonder if your Magic sim will work in the dream right now?

My SIM that was caught in a dream, is now no longer working in my motorola, so seems like the flag is set per sim.
[G1 Android Development] bixby22:
Can't do it at the moment.. but I have another SIM at home and an LG Eve, I wonder if I can call them and tell them I'm using the Eve (and the new SIM) and then switch it back to the G1.. I doubt that will work. Might try tomorrow
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
This is what I just did :) No dice. They say they don't have the ability to set the flag just yet, but promise it tomorrow.

We'll see.

In the mean time, can someone else verify that the flag is attached to the SIM?
[G1 Android Development] SilentTweak:
I have a spare SIM so I'm probably gonna call in and ask them to reactivate my number on a new SIM and tell them I did the update. They told me that, older SIMs might not register the update.
[G1 Android Development] SirBastille:
Yes, but I don't fully trust Rogers in regards to the costs that may be incurred in regards to my phone being unable to make a 911 call. There are so many BS methods that they could pull in relation to that in my mind right now.
[G1 Android Development] kevwo:
how did you come across this, jmac? my friend tried to find it on the rogers site, no luck LOL

its funny how they are sending this link out in text messages 3 times a day
[G1 Android Development] kevwo:
also,

if i did the radio upgrade, and i want to go BACK to EBL0, how would i go about that? thanks. i'd like to know, once i get data back, and sign the waiver
[G1 Android Development] azn604boi:
ROGERS/HTC Waiver Form

there is a waiver form from rogers to waive the mandatory update

By checking "I agree" below, you acknowledge and agree that:

1)	Rogers has informed me of the software issue on my HTC device that may prevent 9-1-1 calls from completing in certain situations.

2)	Rogers has made a software update available to me to remedy this issue and has made several attempts to contact me urging me to install this update for my own safety.

3)	I refuse to install this software update that Rogers strongly recommends for my own safety and understand that I may not be able to complete 9-1-1 calls from my HTC device.

4)	Rogers will not be liable to me or any third party for any personal injury or damages resulting from or relating to the inability of my HTC device to complete a 9-1-1 call and I will compensate Rogers for any costs it incurs relating to same.
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
so i went and entered my info, and keeps telling me "Please enter a valid serial number." i tried both my IMEI number and S/N
[G1 Android Development] beav_35:
Through fastboot flash the EBI0 radio, then RA Recovery (the one without the R). Reboot into recovery then flash the latest CyanogenMod again to overwrite the kernel port. You shouldn't need to wipe but back up your settings just in case. If you have problems like force closes just wipe then flash everything over again.

EBI0 radio (don't use this recovery): http://www.stevebirstok.com/android/givemeroot.zip
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
scratch that, im not signing that waiver. they messed around to much, signing that will void any kinda leverage i have against them for cutting off my data and my outgoing calls.

thats their way of covering their ass's for that problem. they must have got alot of the complaints we filed and many others more then likely and came up with this to void null everything.
[G1 Android Development] SilentTweak:
Their lawyers must've been up all night thinking of what to write to cover their asses lol I hope my CCTS complaint did something.
[G1 Android Development] copolii:
So good for those of you who haven't updated, but what about the rest of us that did?

Since not updating is now an option, then I guess Rogers must allow us to go back or to court I go ...
[G1 Android Development] westway11:
Just hope that someone figures out how to root the ROM. To be brutally honest it may take a while, the majority of people did not update the phone, so hopefully a nice person will get it figured out
[G1 Android Development] ben.selinger:
Ok all. I've finished a writeup of this whole incident which can be found at http://techreview.eatuniverse.net/2010/02/10/rogers-mandatory-android-update-a-brief-history/ . My idea has been to provide a single point of information for everyone to reference in their complaints to the CCTS. Take a look at it, and let me know if there are any changes that should be made before we start submitting mass complaints to CCTS. The more people who submit a complaint, the better our odds of winning this ;)
[G1 Android Development] westway11:
There's really nothing to win now, we've already won; Rogers has conceded defeat and is letting us keep our hacked ROMs.

What really bothers me is that the people on this forum are not well informed, you have not read your contract and did not bother understanding what you were getting yourself into when signing a contract with Rogers.

Everyone here is threatening a lawsuit against Rogers, but unfortunately if you read the terms of service you have agreed to many of these things that you are complaining about. Rogers has absolutely no legal obligation to keep you happy, they are allowing us to "win" to keep us as customers.

Below are a list of clauses in the terms of service that we have ALL agreed to when entering into a contract with Rogers. Below this list is a link to the terms of service in a .pdf is you would like to review them for yourself.

1) Unless otherwise specified in the Service Agreement, we may change, at any time, any charges, features, content, programming, structure or any other aspects of the Services, as well as any term or provision of the Service Agreement

2) From time to time, we may establish policies, rules and limits (together, the “Policies”) concerning use of the Services, Equipment and any products, content, applications or services.

AND THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CLAUSE!!!!

3)Except for Equipment that you have fully paid for, all Equipment installed or provided by us remains our property...

Equipment and related software may have to meet certain minimum requirements and be maintained in

certain ways and in certain locations in order to access the Services or for the proper operation of the Services (e.g., 911 services). Such requirements may be changed from time to time at our sole discretion. Unless otherwise specified by us, you are solely responsible for updating or maintaining your Equipment and software as necessary to meet such requirements, and you may not be entitled to customer support from us if you fail to do so.

Basically we all agreed to these terms!!!!!! If anything Rogers is letting us win to keep us happy by allowing us to use custom ROMs. Many of the users on this forum complain that it is "my" phone, unfortunately this is not the case, it is Rogers' phone until the contract is up. Those of us who have purchased the phone outright without a contract are not, and were never being forced to upgrade. It stipulates in the TERMS OF SERVICE that if we do not meet these requirements Rogers has the legal right to terminate our service.

There is no tip toeing around this folks, you are legally obligated to abide by their terms, after all, YOU signed on the dotted line and agreed to these terms. A large corporation like Rogers is not stupid, they have all bases covered.

LINK TO TERMS OF SERVICE: www.rogers.com/cms/pdf/en/TOS_Eng.pdf
[G1 Android Development] xaueious:
My friend has an imported phone though and Rogers is still blocking on the basis that he has an HTC Magic.
[G1 Android Development] JamieD81:
Not true, I legally fully own my dream not a new phone on a new contract, I lost my data, lost out going calls and harassed with txts and calls, and reps telling me I MUST upgrade, never complied with any of it. Now I'm pissed due to all of this when its my phone to do as I wish, I will be asking to be cut out of my contract with no attached fee's
[G1 Android Development] kingklick:
good luck with that
[G1 Android Development] Boomgawd:
Whats the big deal here..

When 3g dissapeared I called into Iphone support and asked for a network refresh..

when they cut off my outgoing calls I told em I was running google branded us G1 cuz I lost my phone and presto, call services restored..

Just be nice and keep it short.. they call centre guy just wants you off the phone..

PEACE!