yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Working on a new version. Hope that has the 2G/3G issue fixed.

Based on WM6.5 2.16 EasternEurope ROM. Will try as well the WM6.1 1.39 EasternEurope ROM with the translated Manila.

Sorry, for delays, but I am on a business trip and have only limited time to work on it.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Suweydan:
Thank you BeeGee_Tokyo.

Good luck on your bussines trip!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
New version to test. But still no switch between 3G and 2G possible. Maybe it has to do with the Manila version I used as a base. Error in date on home page should be corrected.

Based on the original 2.16 WWE Eastern Europe ROM:

TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.0_0409__Sun.01.31_05.26.rar

[URL="http://www.topaz.htchack.com/website.html"]Topaz File Mirror[/URL] =>XDA=>Repository=>MyStuff=>Serb-Trans-Project=>TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.0_0409__Sun.01.31_05.26.rar
[URL="ftp://ftp.giesecke.tk"]FTP[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>XDA=>Repository=>MyStuff=>Serb-Trans-Project=>TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.0_0409__Sun.01.31_05.26.rar
[URL="http://www.topaz.htchack.com/diskstation.html"]BeeGee's Disk Station[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>XDA=>Repository=>MyStuff=>Serb-Trans-Project=>TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.0_0409__Sun.01.31_05.26.rar
[URL="http://rapidshare.com/files/346728474/TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.0_0409__Sun.01.31_05.26.rar"]Rapidshare link[/URL]

Can someone tell me which original ROM has the switch for 3G to 2G, then I can try something based on this ROM.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miro666:
On lasts ROMs we have on last tab (settings) on manila - data connection...i think, but sure have on Phone - Menu - Options - GSM/UMTS Service tab - Band and than Get Settings...

Regards (and welcome back to home :) )
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
That's the strange thing. I know I saw it in some ROMs, but I never saw it in my ROMs. Which ROMs are you refering to?

And I am happy to be back in Tokyo. It was a busy trip to China.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miro666:
Most from ROMs from Dutty and NhatHoa...Now im on Nhathoa Test WWE ROM 2.19.77187 , Manila 2.5.20113030 , Radio 2.49.25.204

Downloading your last serb-croatian ROM from your ftp, but is very very slow (12 kb/s) :(

Regards
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Try the RapidShare link. Maybe faster. My connection is at the moment occupied by downloading latest ROMs. And I have to catch up a lot :eek:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
New version with corrected translation

Ok, this seems to be the final version:

Based on:

RUU_Topaz_S_HTC_WWE_EastEurope_2.16.479.1_Radio_Sign_Topaz_61.44tc.25.32_4.49.25.17

SYS changes:

SQM and FWUpdate replaced with dummy versions

NetCF 3.5

EXT changes:

Manila_2_1_19213017_1

Menu_Enhancement_1_1_20113129_00

PhoneSetting_6_41_0_1

Download:

[URL="http://www.giesecke.tk/xda/index.php?dir="]Topaz File Mirror (HTTP access)[/URL] =>XDA=>Cooked_ROMs=>WM6.5=>BeeGee_Tokyo=>SerbCroat-ROM
[URL="ftp://ftp.giesecke.tk"]FTP access[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>XDA=>Cooked_ROMs=>WM6.5=>BeeGee_Tokyo=>SerbCroat-ROM
[URL="http://www.giesecke.tk:7000"]Disk Station[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>XDA=>Cooked_ROMs=>WM6.5=>BeeGee_Tokyo=>SerbCroat-ROM
Rapidshare link for the [URL="http://rapidshare.com/files/347692802/SC_2_16_479_1_V1.2_Kitchen.zip"]Kitchen[/URL] SC_2_16_479_1_V1.2_Kitchen.zip
Rapidshare link for the [URL="http://rapidshare.com/files/347688904/TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.2.zip"]ROM[/URL] TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.2.zip
Rapidshare link for the [URL="http://rapidshare.com/files/347671297/Manila_Croatian.cab"]cab[/URL] Manila_Croatian.cab

​

For testing I attached a cab file. It might be that this translated files work as well on other Manila 2.1 (2.0) versions as well.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miro666:
Thank You BeeGe, will testing when i can use time...So much new coocked ROMs on base 2.53 need testing :) from our masters cokers .....

Thank You for all as, from sout slavic languages area.

Best regards
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Suweydan:
Manila cab instaled on my phone and work so great. Translation is 100% correct. I will download your this ROM with Cro_Bos manila in next few days. Now I am busy and dont have time to install this ROM on my phone.

BeeGee_Tokyo, thank you again from all Topaz users, for this work on Cro_Bos language ROM.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Suweydan:
Manila cab is working fine on my HTC Topaz, and my HTC Diamond1.

On HTC Diamond 1, manila is also 100% correct.

This is great!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farukb:
if anyone needs dump of a rom that had the localization (by sunnysoft) i'll be glad to upload it....although it's still in raw images because i wasn't able to pack it into an os.nb (i did try several kitchens and tools like awaiter/achef,but nothing worked)

and uhh...the dump is from an HD...not from topaz,but the localization should be the same
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Upload it and I will see what I can do with it.

If you cannot upload to Rapidshare or Megaupload,.... you can upload it to my mirror direct. Either per FTP or per HTTP.

[URL="ftp://ftp.giesecke.tk"]FTP access[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>Home
[URL="http://www.topaz.htchack.com/diskstation.html"]BeeGee's Disk Station[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>Home
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] miro666:
I think, farukb, Suweydan, and master BeeGee_Tokyo, when have will and time, can make First Complete WM 6.5 (based Topaz 2.53) with manila 2.5 (not 2.1) on bosnian-croatian-serbian(latin) Topaz ROM....I cannot much help because not have knoweledge about coocking ROM, but i can detailed testing ROM :)

Best regards and thanks all of you
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Let's see what's possible. Up to now, I am struggling with the 2.53 ROM. Could not get it working yet.

For Manila 2.5 I have to check the differences. I guess we have to change the files and create some new translations for the tabs that are new in 2.5.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farukb:
well i will be the first who will not use the rom since i prefer wwe roms and find any bs/hr/sr translation confusing and irritating

but i'll upload it:) hopefully it will help you

beegee note that this is a wwe rom that has localization which i tried to extract but didn't manage it because those apps didn't accept my os.nb image...

and i believe the localization software is protected...but it's worth a try,...hopefully

...i'm uploading it right now
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Everybody is free to use what fits his needs best. I am German, living in Japan and I prefer WWE ROMs as well. Never thought of flashing a German ROM on my HTC devices.

Thanks for uploading the file.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] farukb:
please pm me if you manage to do anything with those files,especially if you make an nbh out of them...i'll really be grateful if you tell me how you did it,because i tried to do it and didn't manage it
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djorke:
Any news?

Are there any news? It would be nice also to get t9 extracted from that ROM
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
I dumped the HD ROM. There is no Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian T9 or keyboard in it.

But in the localization cab I there is something, but I had no time yet to make a cab out of it. You can find the files here:

[URL="http://www.htc-topaz.co.cc/website.html"]Topaz File Mirror (HTTP access)[/URL] =>XDA=>Repository=>MyStuff=>Serb-Trans-Project
[URL="ftp://ftp.giesecke.tk"]FTP access[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>XDA=>Repository=>MyStuff=>Serb-Trans-Project
[URL="http://www.htc-topaz.co.cc/diskstation.html"]BeeGee's Disk Station (faster)[/URL] User [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] Password [I][COLOR="Red"]xda[/COLOR][/I] =>XDA=>Repository=>MyStuff=>Serb-Trans-Project
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] djorke:
@Bee_Gee_Tokyo

There is a Win32/Viking.CH virus in TOPAIMG_SC2.16.V1.0_0409__Sun.01.31_05.26.rar
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Maybe a false warning?

I checked the file with 2 anti virus programs and they say its ok.

But just to be sure I will upload it tonite again.

--- UPDATE --------------------

I checked the file again. It is a false warning. The AV software thinks there is a virus in the CustomRUU.exe file. But there is none. See the CustomRUU thread about this.

--- UPDATE --------------------
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmhecker:
I have done more trial and errors with this, to absolutely no avail. I am at a 100% loss...surely someone has some clue as to what is going on?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] halfsight:
Hi, was wondering if you are using the same SD card and just trying different partitions, what kind of SD card do you have and do you have more than one SD card, because I would suggest trying a brand new freshly partitioned, with no files but the files you intend to flash, on the card.

Let me know.:)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmhecker:
I just dug out one of my older SD cards (2 gig, not HC but oh well, its worth a shot...I'll let you know
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmhecker:
Using your recommendation, halfsight, I tried with a different SD card, and came up with the same results. Good thought, but no avail. Any other ideas? Also, is my SPL the proper one? I am told it is Haykuro's. Info is as follows: (also in the OP)

DREAM PVT 32B ENG S-OFF
HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA10000)
CPLD-4
RADIO-2.22.26I
APR 20, 2009, 15:30:43
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jmhecker:
So I received my new 8 GB Class 6 SD Card in the mail today, and tried that card to flash with and such...still having problems. Any ideas?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] Ganondolf:
hi,

i am making a game called ganondolf's adventure (named after me).

I have made a demo for u guys, its an alpha build. im hoping u could give me suggestions and tell me of any bugs.

this is a 3 level build.

WVGA ONLY

Know Stuff:

Game is a bit laggy

not much sound

no animations

Save / Load does not work yet

bug: player falls through ground sometimes (i think this is caused by the lag jerks the player in the wrong place).

my x1 has been sent for repair (cracking probs) so cant test myself. i and a friend has tested a 1 level build so there should not be any probs installing (i have a x1, he has a touch pro 2).

Link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/338892364/Ganondolfs_Adventure_Demo_Alpha_Build.cab

ps. this is my first try at making a game and i have no knowledge of coding or creating games.

ps. i cant give u any screen shots as my x1 is at repair but please upload some.

thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] zyphuris55:
I tried downloading the file, but the site says too many people are downloading at the same time.

I'm also working on a program and its in the beginning stages. what language is your game in and what did you do about the rotation "user pulls out the keyboard and switches the orientation" ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] mynameisslimshady:
I see there is still a lot of work to be done but its got potential :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ganondolf:
hi,

i am making a game called ganondolf's adventure (named after me).

I have made a demo for u guys, its an alpha build. im hoping u could give me suggestions and tell me of any bugs.

this is a 3 level build.

****************WVGA ONLY****************

***EARLIER BUILD HAS ONLY BEEN TESTED ON HTC TP2 AND SE X1***

Know Stuff:

Game is a bit laggy

not much sound

no animations

Save / Load does not work yet

bug: player falls through ground sometimes (i think this is caused by the lag jerks the player in the wrong place).

my x1 has been sent for repair (cracking probs) so cant test myself. i and a friend has tested a 1 level build so there should not be any probs installing (i have a x1, he has a touch pro 2).

Link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/338892364/Ganondolfs_Adventure_Demo_Alpha_Build.cab

ps. this is my first try at making a game and i have no knowledge of coding or creating games.

ps. i cant give u any screen shots as my x1 is at repair but please upload some.

thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] talontsi07:
Rapidshare is telling me

"Currently a lot of users are downloading files. Please try again in 2 minutes or become a Premium member"

When I finally get the "cab" downloaded would you like me to give you another link? I can host it on my online storage just as a second link or alternative download.

EDIT: Never mind I see that you have the megaupload link now.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] TheRealBnold:
Same here, never had any luck getting files from that site...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ganondolf:
please do re-upload. i have not put up a megaupload link, maybe someone else has.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] talontsi07:
Sorry I was looking at something else ur right there is no megaupload.

Here is my link

http://www.wuala.com/Windows Mobile...olf/Ganondolfs_Adventure_Demo_Alpha_Build.cab
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Omega Ra:
screenshots?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] the0ne:
congrats on the game. But it had quite a few bugs , the guy goes underground and at time get stuck in the sky. Here is the screenshot.

The Keys are : Left, Right and Jump
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] icke:
Sorry...cannot install the cab, gave me an installation error without any information why. I'm using a Diamond.

Anybody else with this problem there?

Edit:

Lol...WVGA only...ok.:o
[Hero CDMA General] Jansb1:
Hi all, T-mobile just sent me a new Hero (G2 Touch) but I am a little confused with a few things.

Amongst other things, the phone states the following:

Firmware Version 1.5

Build Number 2.73.110.26

Software Version 1.0.0.A6288

When I go to the T-mobile web site it says that as at October 2009 there is a ROM upgrade. The ROM it refers to is version 2.73.61.5

I would have thought that considering I got my phone only 3 days ago it would have come along with the latest ROM. Or, is what I got the latest?

Do I need to upgrade?

Also, I have hreard of a ROM version of 2.73.405.5 is that different? It doesn't seem to be available from T-mobile.

Lastly, does anyone know how I can designate all application downloads to be stored on the SD Card rather than wherever they may currently be going?

I must say that I am a liitle puzzled about the file structure used on the phone as I am so used to windows as on the Diamond.
[Hero CDMA General] rockcrawler:
This is the CDMA (Sprint) hero forum, you probably would be better off posting your issue in the GSM Hero Forum.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=511
[Android Software Development] chronos2111:
Hey Android hackers,

I would have an idea, and would like to ask for confirmation(or info).

So the T-Mobile Pulse has the same chipset and everything as the Magic (Qualcomm MSM7200A), what includes the wifi, gps, camera and who knows what else. We have ROM's for Magic, so my idea would be if we could use the drivers from the Magic's rom and build a kernel with the proprietary drivers for Pulse.

My questions:

-Is this possible?

-How can i start playing with the kernel compiling (I have Ubuntu 9.10)

-Witch rom should i use for driver extraction?

-else what i should be aware

Thanks,

Chronos
[Android Software Development] Ace42:
Did you forget about the screen size of pulse?

it has 3.5" which is higher than MT3G/Magic and plus pulse will be getting 2.0 update so wait a while.
[Android Software Development] chronos2111:
They have the same resolution, physical size doesent matter ifiak.
[Android Software Development] Swifty:
I'd be interested to know too... why wait for official? :)

We have Android on WM based phones with working drivers so surely it's possible get the Pulse upgraded?

Would be nice to get a Pulse forum here at XDA-Devs but I don't see that happening :(
[Android Software Development] Ace42:
Uhh no it doesnt

Magic has: 3.2" screen

Pulse has : 3.5" screen

Res for both are same but you should wait for pulse to get 2.1 update later this year.

http://phandroid.com/t-mobile-pulse/
[Android Software Development] spooke:
They are both running 320x480 resolution, so it shouldnt matter,

Thats great to hear about the update though :D, cant wait
[Android Software Development] young1:
are you sure about the update i thought the pulse was unable to upgrade as the specs are to low ??
[Android Software Development] Ace42:
Not the phone i mean the OS layer Pulse will get w 2.1/2.0 .
[Android Software Development] Mi|enko:
The size of the physical screen doesn't make a bit of difference. The resolution is the same. Just as the Liquid has a 3.5" screen and the Nexus has a 3.7". . . they're both still 480x800 resolution.
[Android Software Development] codito:
You really should just stop posting and only read because you are awful and don't know what you're talking about.
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Reserved for future use
[Touch HD Android Development] bakkiethee:
The first Eclair thread mentioned that it would be better to change the lcd.density in the startup.txt from lcd.density=210 to lcd.density=240 though both work fine on my phone.
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Hadn't got around to adding that bit, but have now!... 240 works best, since some apps don't use the full screen as they should.
[Touch HD Android Development] Heefy:
Thank you very much. Just what was needed.

H
[Touch HD Android Development] Rodix85:
Thanks for this Thread!!

Great work!

I tried the version from the other thread (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=603813) a week ago and there is a special startup.txt where you have to put your WIFI-MAC-adress in.

Isn't it required in this version?

Do you only have to put this 7 lines in it you postes below?

Greetz Rodix
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
no longer required.
[Touch HD Android Development] sjoerd_t_B:
The 3.5 mm jack still does not work propperly. Previous thread had a few cuestions about that. you may want to ad that to the list.
[Touch HD Android Development] Zailynne:
Maybe you haven't noticed. But it's 2010 now. :p

It's hard to get used to... I know... xD
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
OMG! lol I'm still hungover from Xmas ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] Zailynne:
Hahaha, well now you know! ;)
[Touch HD Android Development] marmin:
Weird thing

been using a while from previous posts, fine but a bit jittery. Decided to change the startup text to yours as looked simple and might make it smoother as not sure if one I was using was designed for Blackstone.

Cant get off the lock up screen as the screen seems to think my finger is in the oposite corner that it is!!!!!! ie the touch sensor is a mirror image but the screen isnt
[Touch HD Android Development] Kryston:
hmm somehow its ****ed up, if i need to press the lower right corner on my touch screen i have to press on the upper left cornor, somehow the touchscreen isnt working right, any ideas?
[Touch HD Android Development] marmin:
Yeah, try reading the post above yours :)
[Touch HD Android Development] Syc:
Thanks for this thread!

A small bug report:

When disabling that app's are allowed to synchronize while roaming, they're supposed to "ask" whether they can use the internet or not. This popup dialogue never appears, but is hidden in the background. This seems to be a problem with other popups too.

Oh, and adding

mddi.width=480 mddi.height=800

to startup.txt made the touch screen (much) more accurate for me.

EDIT: in the "set cmdline"
[Touch HD Android Development] Kryston:
got my screen working, just use the startupfile which is in the .rar data.

but i got a question, is it possible to import your contacts?

somehowe i cant import from sim card, it says importing.... but if its done there are no contacts.
[Touch HD Android Development] DaniLoveSky:
If you mean to import your contacts from WindowsMobile to Android, than (probably) the most convenient way is to use Google sync facility.

From WindowsMobile you do as described here:

http://www.google.com/support/mobile/bin/answer.py?answer=138636&topic=14299

And from Android you just activate your Google account - it will sync contacts (and calendar) automatically.

PS: Un-check Tasks synchronisation (as in the instructions screenshot) - it usually results in error message and synchronisation stops.
[Touch HD Android Development] rajivv:
Great Work

Hi Guys,

Great work on the android port how do I access the new android sub forum here

Rajiv
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
You already did!.... just bookmark this thread, that's the easiest way.
[Touch HD Android Development] TheATHEiST:
Hes referring to teh fact that originally the actual forum displayed access denied, only way to view the topics wa via "moved" shadow topics in WM forum.

Looks like its fixed now :)
[Touch HD Android Development] Hansi2000:
Is it normal, that there are only a few widgets pre-installed in this Android version? i am missing widgets like sms, email, weather (allthough i installed the weather widget from market). friend of mine gots hero with 1.6 and he has this sms widgets. where can i get them? i can't find them on market.

Or am i doing something wrong?

PS: Current version runs very well. I like it to play around. :)
[Touch HD Android Development] mongday:
Thanks man and try to test it first.
[Touch HD Android Development] RobRedbeard:
Gotcha.

I realize that the particular post I was pointing to had errors, but that thread had an attached startup.txt.

I also noticed that the startup.txt bundled in the lastest package has the same values as this thread.

I'm not desputing any values, just pointing out that it be nice if changes to startup.txt were reflected in the first post or two.. To help users keep up with a digest of what changes. Some of us only periodically check in on progress. :)

Rob
[Touch HD Android Development] moolish:
Hi @ll,

very nice Guide....

But i got the same problem like some others here... "Waiting for SD Card"

I got an Transcend Class 6 8GB Card..... i tried all values in the Guide @ Page 1

Someone n other Idea or just wait for a newer Build?

Greez
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Common problem I'm afraid. It's being looked into, but for the moment, you either have to locate a card with will work, or keep waiting for a proper fix.

Class 2 cards are said to be working pretty well (try digging out an older card, doesn't need to be any bigger than a gig or so)
[Touch HD Android Development] miniterror:
hi guys

just a quick question

on the second post step four to make the startup.txt

it says two times ''set ramsize0x10000

i geus that should be one time?

best regards

chris
[Touch HD Android Development] herpez:
Hi TheBrilliantMistake:

What's the news in this build from today?

Greetings!
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
You are quite correct!. I've corrected that mistake (although it would not cause any harm). Well spotted!
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Info is very limited... but I've noticed a new application 'LED Effects'.

Most likely to be a 'catchup' with more recent kernel and modules, bringing us reasonably up to date again :-)

Still irritating that the apps don't work 'out of the box' (in their subfolders) unless you move them directly into the apps folder. But not a huge deal....

I should actually consider making a note of that in the instructions OR just repackaging the build, and getting rid of all the startup.txt file instructions too! But then I'd need a host for the file, and it's too much of a PITA!