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[Off-topic] freyberry:
Of course he'd make a mistake and of course NO other phone can match the functionality.

But he's a whiner, it doesn't matter what phone he buys, he'll always find something to complain.

I know I'm right saying that, because this guy doesn't even try to inform himself about the HD2 or other phones, before starting those whining threads.

Look how he complains about missing TomTom support and at the same time says he'd buy an Android phone: TomTom isn't even available for Android.

But he doesn't care about that fact cause all he wants to do is complain. What a moron. Guys, I suggest you just don't bother answering here, cause there's no way you can convince someone if that someone only wants to complain.

And I can only repeat what I said, because it makes his complaints completely obsolete:
[Off-topic] mrmomoman:
For a buyer who just spent $800 smack-a-roos you would think he would have been a little more educated on his research before committing to that expense. Also whines like a child who wasn't told that it would not do everything he thought it would.

Wiki - IS THE END ALL TO KNOWLEDGE! EVERYTHING ON IT IS TRUE! It must be its on the internet!

I am glad those who want a million APPS, useless crap that tells me how many pounds I am losing while texting, and how to locate a restaurant so I can make sure I get Italian food right NOW! are moving back to something more simple such as a the Iphone. It was the proper community and phone for them.

I think people forget function and purpose for gadgets. If you just type emails and know you will never ever do anything more then why would you buy a high end workstation?

I have read so many complaints about this or that about Windows 6.5 and some are warranted but many are just from lack of knowledge.

I use the HTC HD and will be ordering the HTC HD2. I also use a Blackberry Bold and have the Iphone 3Gs as a present for X-Mas.

I can't wait to tweak the phone. Android hasn't impressed me much yet on the business side of applications. They will improve and I hope that MarketPlace and WM7 will be what I am hoping it will become.

If WM7 even comes close to the smoothness and fluid movement of ZUNEHD then I will be a very happy camper.
[Off-topic] RicksterX:
Time out...

Pharao (...shouldn't come with an 'h'?) is just a ranting hothead who should just be ignored. You are playing into his hands by giving him too much air time. He's not worth it. Asking for an apology just fuels this time wasting thread, if even if one is in order.. What must it be like to be around this person?

And besides, the original Wiki article that he(?) referred to in order to kick off his rant finishes by saying...

"Despite all the negative criticism Windows Mobile receives today, the next major release, Windows Mobile 7, is expected to turn things around. The next major OS version has much anticipation behind it. There is solid evidence existing today that proves Windows Mobile 7 will fix many, if not, all of the problems Windows Mobile faces today, and take it well beyond that point going into the future.

Let's worry about Haiti instead...
[Off-topic] RicksterX:
...he can have mine for $40

Oops, sorry. Another bump :D
[Off-topic] pharao:
When I wrote "I'll be lucky.." I meant that it would take some luck for me to sell it for that much - not that it would make me a happy camper to sell it for that little.

After all, I just bought this thin brick ~4 weeks ago...
[Off-topic] pharao:
Oh, you again - that "not helping" pot who calls the kettle black...

As usual your rants & raves are mostly complaints about other users complaining ...

Certainly proving the high quality of discourse in this forum...

And statements such as "the HD2 is the best phone ever created" are just pure hyperbole and as such fall into the BS category!

The HD2 is a technical device, nothing more, nothing less.

People who start to identify themselves with their particular gadget to the degree that they loose any ability to objective criticism about that piece of equipment disqualify themselves from any educated technical discourse.

And Microsoft's Steve Balmer himself stated that MS-WinMo 6.x was an "accidental release", because the company has set all its hopes on WinMo7

And in case Photon fails, WM will be dead before the end of 2010.

Companies like Microsoft don't make business decisions based on silly notions of Romance or Techno-Love, they got shareholders they have to answer to and thus it is their accounting department calling the shots here. Based purely on how much money is expected to come in on this and how much it costs to keep developing this platform.

Because a platform that is no longer being developed is dead already in an ever developing market.
[Off-topic] pharao:
Takes one to know one, doesn't it?!
[Off-topic] pharao:
And people like you only seem to be happy when they see a chance to start a flame war - or what practical purpose was this post of yours to have had?!
[Off-topic] raptoro07:
I'll take you "brick" and "dinosaur" from you.
[Off-topic] raptoro07:
Also, that quote about WM being dead is based on WM7 failing. I'd bet MS does not let that happen, and therefore rant is all a non-issue.
[Off-topic] mrmomoman:
Pharao - why don't you just leave the forum? You no longer have interest in your "brick" phone. You came in fishing from the start and you counter/argue with the people who didn't side with your opinion.

You are a child. Go to the corner until you can play nice with the other children.

Please post pics of phone and reciept. Perhaps you can find real interest in selling your unwanted phone.
[Off-topic] Timmzy89:
The world will end - 21 Dec 2012 anyway according to the Mayan calendar...

Think that sounds stupid?! Well you can also find that on Wiki!!

That fact alone shows how STUPID this post was in the first place...

Anyone who knows anything would know, everything on Wiki, unless supported but 100% fact and evidence should be taken as a pinch of salt. Wiki is peoples IDEAS, and peoples INTERPRETATION on subjects. Anyone can edit anything they want on there to say what ever they want and make up any facts and opinions they want/have. You never know who wrote them. Hence take what Wiki says as a pinch of salt... Sure use it to get some idea of what other people think, but you should NEVER use it and suggest what it says on there is fact.
[Off-topic] freyberry:
Pharao,

I've had lots of phones. iPhones, Windows Phones, Android phones. Believe it or not, they ALL have their problems. The HD2 is definitely the one that had the least serious issues for me (the SMS bug was serious, but didn't hit me). The keyboard works a lot better than any other virtual keyboard I've used, the camera is one of the best I've ever had on a phone (especially after the patch, of course), voice quality is great and Windows Mobile offers me what I want: Possibilities.

I'm not identifying with my gadgets, I just use what works best for me. That's why I had so many phones in the past.

I'm not trying to defend the HD2, I'm trying to defend the forum from stupid morons that only want to complain, instead of ever using their brains.

If you'd ever tried to use yours, you'd understand that there is no perfect thing.

You'd also not talk about switching to Android and at the same time complain that TomTom doesn't support the HD2, when it's not even available on Android.

You'd also create thread titles according to the forum rules and use the search feature before asking and shouting at others, only to find out that a quick search would indeed have answered your question.

But apparently you didn't try using your brain in order to understand those things. Why is that? Because you're a whiner. Your problem is not the phone. Your problem is yourself. Because you don't even try to inform yourself and think logically before complaining.

If you'd think logically, you'd understand that nothing is perfect, you'd make normal thread titles and try to find answers instead of being lazy and letting others do the work for you, and most importantly, you'd actually inform yourself before buying something and then complaining about things that you could've known before.

Have you informed yourself about Android phones? Certainly not. Yet you say you exchange your HD2 for one. I can already imagine the complaint threads in the Nexus One forum if you'd buy that thing...

End of discussion here.
[Off-topic] vangrieg:
3 or 4 years ago I used a Qtek S110. I still own it, and a few days ago I turned it on to see what it looked like. In my opinion, anyone who says that WM hasn't changed over the years must have serious cognitive problems. Even though the OS hasn't revolutionized the industry by itself, it's undergone dramatic changes. However, the hardware has changed to a much greater degree, so even if HTC provided updates for that device up until now I'm still better off with the new phone. I love my HD2 but won't hesitate for a second next year if HD3 becomes to HD2 what the latter became to HD in terms of improvement. I'll be happier with the new toy than with the ability to save money by simply upgrading my current one, I'm sure.
[Off-topic] pharao:
Sorry for only replying now, but I was very busy at work the last couple of days.

Also, to be honest from the initial response I had all but given up on reasonable replies.

I see u r located in the States. I left the US for Eastern Europe a few weeks ago and will stay here for some time.

So $700 is OK if you can also accept shipping charges and are ready to deal with customs on your own - pm me if u r still interested.

And as far as your claim of >Microsoft does not let that happen< is concerned, it almost sounds as if people are supposed to ask Microsoft's permission before they e.g. decide to buy an Android or an iPhone.

That is not how a free market system works and even Microsoft knows that by now. Fact is that the overall cell phone market grew in 2009 nby almost 10%, yet Microsoft still manage to lose a significant market share during that time.

Microsoft does not dictate the market and the times where everyone just had to follow the direction Bill Gates & Stephen Balmer told them to go ended at best when Steve Jobs decided to join the rumble in the cell phone jungle with his dreaded iPhone (which I personally don't like at all).

By now I have isolated 3 main applications I just can't do without:

1) A GPS capable turn-by-turn navigation software with maps for both Americas, Europe, Asia and parts of Africa.

-> There are not so many providers out there that offer that and thus far I could find none who officially support the HD2.

2) A back country, topo-map capable, off-road navigation software (also GPS capable on the HD2), with freely downloadable maps.

-> Thus far I could only find Back Country Navigator for this and they only support maps from the USGS Terra Server and do not plan to be more inclusive any time soon.

3) A Hierarchical Notebook application that can either run on Linux as well (Desktop Part) or whose Windoze components can be emulated under Wine.

-> Thus far its utter failure there for me as well.

Those 3 areas are none-negotiable for me as I need them for my work.

As longs as WinMobile was still a viable platform, I could hope that existing applications would eventually be ported onto WinMo6/7 an/or the HD2.

But with WinMo's imminent demise on the horizon, I just don't see companies like TomTom, Garmin or BCN pouring tens of thousands of development $ into a dieing platform, when plenty of easy bounty awaits on Android and iPhone sales.

I think its high time for HTC to offer an Android or Linux-Mobile platform for their devices.

Now Linux Mobile would be perfect, as applications are many for that platform (most require only a re-compile to work).
[Off-topic] pharao:
And once again you prove the high standards of discourse I was told prevail in these forums.

Rather than exchanging arguments, name calling your topic of the day.

Talking about being childish, now falling in (blind) love with a silly cell phone device - and thus reacting as hysterically as you do if anyone does critique your dearly beloved - does most certainly qualify.

And why the heck do I have to post a pic of my receipt for your pleasure?

I think you should recharge your own circuits, before posting such nonsense demands.
[Off-topic] pharao:
Your post only show how stupid people r who can't help but react to facts with name calling.

And why the heck does the stupidity of the Mayan Calendar discredit an article that quotes numerous industry leaders and deals with Mobile Cell Phone devices (not ancient archeology)?!

Try 2 make some sense next time, please.

If you don't like the market statistics quoted by that article, then provide your own (with references).

Stop calling other people names who simply dare to quote facts that you don't like!!
[Off-topic] pharao:
And your problem is that you can't read!

Because otherwise you would have known from my last reply to your hyperbolic statements that I'm the last person on earth who gives a damn about your uneducated insults!

Promises, Promises...
[Off-topic] pharao:
Now where in this thread or any other did I ever claim that >WM hasn't changed over the years<???

My issue was not that WM didn't change, my issue is that its just blind naivete to insist that Microsoft (and for that matter HTC) will continue to drop millions (if not billions) of investment $ into a platform that can't even hold on to its market share (much less grow it) when the overall market is rapidly expanding.

I'm not sure what kind of psychological phenomena I am experiencing in here, but so far I have not gotten ONE SINGLE fact based reply to me stating a very basic business reality that anyone can Google for!

You don't like Wiki, then simply use any search engine you like - even Microsoft's own "Bing" - and search for "Windows Mobile Market Share Decline" yourself!

I truly admit that I don't get it. Do people in here think that Microsoft "owes them"?

HTC gave up on the Shift virtually overnight, when it turned out that that magical gizmo of theirs didn't sell well.

And Microsoft themselves closed down numerous Software Ventures of theirs before - most notably their Adobe competition projects - once it turned out they were eternal money losers.

Its not so much that I can't get the HD2 to overcome its numerous "stock cripplets".

After 3 weeks of CABing and Registry Hacking that brick I finally got it to be (mostly) usable.

But applications providers like TomTom or Garmin will not port their applications to the last devices of a dieing breed, if they are not convinced that there is a speedy recovery on the horizon.

That's just common business sense!

Why is that so offensive to so many folks in here?

How can anyone get so emotionally attached to an item the size of a large cigarette pack?

Wait...hold that thought...

I know plenty of people who get way to emotionally attached to their pack of cigarettes and that is also the reason why I don't smoke :D

PS: You'll never see me use the word "love" in regards to a technical device.

Friends and family I love - Gadgets and Gizmos I use until I discard them.
[Off-topic] freyberry:
Uneducated? ROFLMAO.

You have not the slightest clue and are totally unable to inform yourself and call ME uneducated?

Ridiculous.

And as was said before: It's not about whether you "love" the HD2 or not, and for sure we normal users are not at all trying to defent the device itself, we are trying to defend the forum from stupid, moronic whiners that are only here to complain.
[Off-topic] wacky.banana:
Please Behave!!

Chaps,

It's getting a bit warm in here. Could we please be a little respectful to each other.

I really don't like having to close threads.

Thanks

WB
[Off-topic] freyberry:
Please close it, there's absolutely no need for another whining thread.

Pharao has proven that he has no interest in actually informing himself before and after buying something and he has no interest in thinking logically (e.g. comparing with other devices, not just slamming one device despite the fact that others are no better at all). He's only here to complain and we really don't need that, cause it does not help anyone.
[Off-topic] pharao:
First this plea

and then this "response"...

And freyberry calls himself a "senior member".

The only thing senior about his insults is their senility!

I see indeed no use in keeping a topic open (or any topic on XDA-Developers for that matter), if it is so utterly impossible to stop certain forum members from hurling insults at people whose facts they don't like!

High standards on XDA-Developers? If people like freyberry represent those "standards", then I can do w/o them :mad:
[Off-topic] pharao:
Even so I know this is most likely throwing pearls before the "you know what..." as on XDA-Developers flame wars seem to be far more popular than an exchange of facts, I will still post this finding of mine:

As far as an Hierachical Notebook for both PocketPC and Linux/Windows is concerned, I found a "work-around" in MindMap for PocketPC and FreeMap for Java.

Even so MindMap for PocketPC states that its "only" compatible with Freemind (and the much to expansive MindMap for Windows - $349), it also works with the more flexible FreeMap (identical data file format).

Both FreeMind and FreeMap are free Java apps and designed very professionally.

And PocketPC MindMap imports their files flawlessly.

So much for that one...
[Off-topic] freyberry:
It's not about facts that anyone doesn't like.

The problem is you. It starts already with your thread title. The forum rules say: "You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it."

Did you do this? No. Can you expect a kind answer then? No.

Must you to expect being insulted when starting a thread like this? Yes.

Then, instead of just describing your problems and kindly asking for help, like any normal person would do, you slam the device and shout at people who give you the answer you deserve: Use the search and phrase a proper title and question.

You want high standards on xda-developers? Then YOU should adjust your behavior accordingly.

When you slam a device without first thinking about it (i.e. comparing, so that you'd eventually discover that others are not better at all), when you complain about things that you already could have known BEFORE purchasing the device but are too lazy or something to actually inform yourself, then you must expect being called 'just another whiner'.
[Off-topic] donnaw:
Wow

Who buys a phone expecting OS updates from the manufacturer? Guess I've been with WinMo too long. I buy my phones because of what they can do NOW not because of what I expect them to do in the future. I have a couple of "can't live without" apps and would never even consider a phone that won't run them right now.

I mean, it's a PHONE not a laptop or a desktop. Let's face it, the shelf life of a phone is at most a couple of years. Even my husband (who is NOT a gadget freak) changes his phone every couple of years. Your new HD2 will certainly function quite well for the length of your contract as is.
[Off-topic] R3dF1v3:
While I hesitate to call the Mayan calendar stupid, I believe the point that was being conveyed is that information on Wikipedia should never be taken as gospel. The fact that anyone can edit articles on that site alone means that if you see something on there, then before you try to make an argument based on that information, confirm it using a couple of more respectable sources...
[Off-topic] Klaus1960:
Hello

The truth be told, I think every one of us (even if we do not admit it even to ourselves) is a bit nervous about this whole Windows 7 thing. I suggest we calm down a bit and wait for February when the OS will be announced. There are sure to be questions then about program compatibility and inter-operability between devices. There will probably be an emulator for legacy programs on WM7. Best Wishes, Klaus:)
[Off-topic] snerkler:
I'd be happy with my Nokia 3310 lol :p
[Off-topic] freyberry:
I said it a hundred times: It's not about defending the phone. It's not about whether he likes the phone or not.

It's about the way he bevahes. Ultimately, it's about defending the forum (not the phone) from all the whiners. You can't create a thread with a stupid title, slam the phone, and even worse, the users who try to help, and then expect others to help you. Especially when you obviously haven't informed yourself AT ALL before purchasing the device. He complains about things that were well-known before - with that behavior, he can't expect a different answer.

He could have expressed his concerns about the future of WM differently. There's nothing wrong about expressing those concerns. He probably would have gotten a lot of help. But you can't start a thread the way he did. And when you slam the first three people who try to help, you can't expect any kind answers at all.

What he did was complaining about not getting an upgrade that has never been promised. Moreover, at this time, there's absolutely no reason to conclude that WM6.x will die soon or that the HD2 won't get an upgrade. In fact, everything currently hints at WM6.x living on for quite some time and the HD2 getting a free upgrade, despite HTC never having promised one.

Of course, this is not sure, and maybe WM6.x will die soon and maybe the HD2 will never run WM7 - but those are things that pharao could have known before, thus he has zero right to complain about them. Of course, expressing his concerns is something very different from just complaining and a very good start for a thread - stupid complains about things he could have known before, however, are NOT a good way to start a thread.

There's nothing wrong about discussing concerns about the future of Windows Mobile. But a civilised discussion can not start the way pharao started this thread. And the discussion must be based on what is actually known, not on unfounded conclusions (what that means is, there's no way to be sure that WM6.x will die or live on, or that the HD2 will or will not get any upgrades, thus you CAN express concerns and theories, but you CAN NOT complain and whine when it's not known that bad things will happen, and also of course you can not expect the good things to happen).