yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] mallman:
is it possible for someone who has some knowledge of this to start a new thread and a new "project" :) so this clown cant discourage people by making it appear dead before anyone even clicks on the thread? I would love to push the project but i know dittly squat about this and therefore would make a bad "project manager". I think many of us are interested in this so just think it would be nice to have someone own the thread that is better equipped.
[HD2 General] kel16harris:
loser much? kill the project because ur not gettin the attention u want lol? sorry but the 100's of other devs on this site say this project is "NOT" over :)
[HD2 General] oalex:
Grow up hoss_n2.
[HD2 General] the_scotsman:
Wow...hoss_n2, these things take time....if YOU don't want to continue, just leave...let everyone else help in any way they can...remove the "discontinued" from the title...:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
I've changed the title and removed the comment about this "dying" in the OP. I'm leaving this open to allow people to continue posting ideas and thoughts on the issue.

Again everyone, please be respectful or I will have to close it. And, of course, be patient. ;)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i killed the project because some people told me to stop bumping this post as they got annoyed of me not because i didnot find an answer i love this post but i also don't want any one to get bored of me thanks all
[HD2 General] Euroman28:
One thing thought the FM Transmitter is it used in routermode?
[HD2 General] Archer:
Bumping a post and leaving it open for future reference and/or addition are 2 different things. I doubt anyone asked you to close the thread.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
thing like that but transmit radio waves to your car sterio in stead of wifi waves to any wifi enabled device
[HD2 General] aikon359:
Thanks TaurusBullba.
[HD2 General] Ben86:
I agree this is a very interesting topic and whoever says its not dont blame the ones who like it :)

as im not wrong no one mentioned the nokia n900 in this thread so far. the nokia n900 linux smartphone actually has a working fm transmitter, maybe it helps:

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
may be if it has the same chip we could get some drivers from it
[HD2 General] harddisk_wp:
The N900 uses a different chip: http://80.248.164.233/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter
[HD2 General] harddisk_wp:
Also we have to look at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5444343 - the Nexus One uses same chip as HD2 and theyre also searching for stuff.

WOW nice: http://www.androidguys.com/2010/01/27/moto-cliqs-hidden-feature/ => the Cliq uses 4325 chipset so we could hack the driver to see how to command at least the RX part!!!!
[HD2 General] BLAST3RR:
The RX part is already controllable with the current drivers/SDK included with the ROM. It's just the TX part, those instructions to send to the chip, which are missing.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i think we need to search for a windows based device or android which has fm transmitter or theres not any windows based device with fm transmitter
[HD2 General] Nature85:
Glofiish x650 with FM transmitter on WM
[HD2 General] harddisk_wp:
The point is that we can control the RX part. But only indirectly - the actual commands to the FM radio go over the same channel as the TX commands. So we need to find out how to control the RX part DIRECTLY without the SDK, only then we can fuzz with the commands to enable TX.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it doesnot seem to have fm transmitter and it is a very low end device this seems to have http://www.glofiish.com/index8.htm?no=x900
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Would be a good idea. Let's hope someone out there is willing to take it on ^^
[HD2 General] Nature85:
Low end device, but FM transmitter have...:)

http://www.eten-users.eu/index.php?showtopic=13299
[HD2 General] TBirdUK:
what about the Nokia N97 - I had one of those and it had an FM transmitter.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the thread is continued again so talking about these things is ended
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
n97 is not a windows based device and it doesnot have similar chip like ours
[HD2 General] copenhagen:
Also, there is a link at the bottom of each forum page that reads "tags"

every registered user can add 2 "tags" (thread starter can add more then 2) this would help keep the thread alive longer.. I'm surprised 'the guy' repeatedly asking for the topic to be stickied hasn't added his own tags yet...
[HD2 General] ralphfx:
Thanks for the tip! You learn something new every day :P
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
what should i write in the tag i don't understand it
[HD2 General] silverstar24:
HD2 ROM 1.66 now with RDS Driver?

I think the HD2 ROM 1.66.407.1 is now with RDS drivers inside. I can received Data from Radiostation.

Show in this thread for more infos : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=628457

Can you test it please?
[HD2 General] StaxTheDeath:
Is there meanwhile any continue in the process of making TMC work on the HD2?
[HD2 General] AntonieB:
Any progress ? It would be awsome if TMC is going to work in a HD2
[HD2 General] schmeichler:
Activating the FM-Transmitter or 802.11N has nothing to do with receiving RDS-messages from FM-Receiver - you will need to watch this thread
[HD2 General] srw985:
Any progress been made with FM transmitting?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i think no one could till now
[HD2 General] zdrux:
What do you mean until now?! Is FM transmission functional on the HD2 now? I am about to buy the phone and am currently trying to figure this out. Any help is appreciated - thanks guys.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
it exists but it is not activated no drivers to use it till now
[HD2 General] harddisk_wp:
we may have to wait for US HD2 to come on the market
[HD2 General] leaskovski:
Hmm, Im loving the circular motion of thread jumping :D
[HD2 General] Marcos200:
I´m back

Hi Friends after some time, i`m back to post, and jump to top and subscribing!:):D
[HD2 General] confuse1990:
NEED :)

+1 here aswell
[HD2 General] elyl:
One of the common errors I've noticed with non-native english speakers is the fact they use "till now" when they really mean "yet".

So, no, no-one has worked out how to use the transmitter YET.

Note to any non-native english speakers - when you say "till now" in this context, it has the complete opposite meaning from your intention.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
thanks for your advice i didnot know about these informations as i used to say till now as it referes to yet ,i didnot know that they have different meaning
[HD2 General] kholk:
The WiFi N is enabled and can be used simply by a registry hack and there are people that are using the N mode without any problem, but I really don't know why are you asking yourself if the N mode can really be enabled on the HTC HD2 as it doesn't matter if you're trying to use the FM TX function.

The BCM chip soldered on the HTC HD2 definitely supports FM RX and TX, but even this doesn't matter now: we don't know if the necessary pins to transmit are soldered on the mainboard (or if they're soldered, we don't know if they're in communication with the rest of the HW)!

Anyway, the FM transmit function can theoretically be enabled and used as you can see in the HTC Debug Tools that are present in an old TMOUS ROM (2.02? I don't remember now!) and I've already tried to use it when I cooked my Eugenia ROM on the 2.02 base.

Now the problems are:

*- Are the necessary pins soldered?

*- And the drivers that we've got.. are they the right ones? Do they support TX?

*- It's strange that using the HTC Debug Tools the FM Transmitter doesn't work!

I think that the HTC Radio Tool is written in managed code (.NET), so we have to try to write an unmanaged C program that is communicating directly with the BCM chip without passing through the DLL that is managing the way the OS communicates with the FM part of our broadcom chip.

If someone can give me any specific information on this, I can try to write one, test and post it with its source code.

Anyway, remember that it doesn't matter if in the USA the FM transmitter is legal and can be used: if HTC doesn't want to give this functionality they won't.

And the statement "let's wait for the TMOUS version to come out" isn't really "efficient"...

The TMOUS version has got the same mainboard as the EU version (apart from the 1GB ROM that we don't know if it's the same chip of the EU version, we need someone to disassemble the TMOUS HD2 and see with our eyes).

Waiting for something and hope that I can help with this, even if it isn't interesting to me!

The Eugenia Project Developer

-kholk
[HD2 General] RE795:
+ 1 here ...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the nradcom chip has the fm transmitter built n no need for pins it recives and transmites from same place reed the thread accuratly
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
IIRC the driver is the primary issue here - we just don't have the TX functions available to us unless someone reverses it, or leaks it from Broadcom. By that, we're not even sure if HTC has access to it.

Also IIRC: The HTC Debug Tools didn't even have the FM TX functionality coded in! Didn't it just say "Not implemented yet!"?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i heared that n wireless needs two antennas does hd2 has 2 antennas
[HD2 General] cguru:
hi guys,

got a bit quiet here ;)

is there actually an expert trying to enable the FM transmitter?

anyone reverse engineering at the moment?

I keep my fingers crossed
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
at 99 % no one is trying and no one will try without donation as it requires very hard work
[HD2 General] Starfury:
Man you are Mr Negativity aren't you? Jeez, just sell the HD2 and use what you get from it to get an iPhone or a Desire or something...

Every post I see of yours recently is negative. You've got an HD2 and you can either do something about it and get another handset on a different OS or just get on with your life and try to be a bit more positive...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
iam sorry for being negative but do you see any developing going on here or any thing let us think that there is developing going on here ,all that i can see is that this thread is meaning less right now and we should think about a better thing to do wth our hd2 ,hd2 will not ever get nither fm transmitter nor wp7 (nother officially nor ported ) ,thanks for your comment but iam a hopeless case
[HD2 General] cguru:
maybe cotulla, actually working on USB-host, will advance on this?
[HD2 General] elyl:
If anyone unlocks it, it will be because they have an interest in doing it, because it is a challenge. They don't do it for donations. It is not a job.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
believe my without getting paied no one will develope any thing
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
If someone unlocks the FM transmitter function it the hd2, I'd definitely donate at least $30... I'm sure plenty more would donate, too.
[HD2 General] henry137:
yes! you are right. i going to do that also...:D
[HD2 General] zdrux:
There's $50 from me for sure.. $CDN though :)
[HD2 General] orange:
is there any progress??
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
no ,no one is even working so forget
[HD2 General] aikon359:
Dont think its really fair tellin people to forget looking purely because you "think" no one is working on this hoss...

Im sure there are still people out there tinkering around to see if they can get the transmitter working.

just because you have given up theres no need to tell other people to.....

to anyone out there who Is actually still working on this project, Best of luck guys and gals.
[HD2 General] abmantis:
what is really needed?

[SIZE=4][SIZE=5]what is missing us[/SIZE][/SIZE]
1. more tests to make sure of the existance of wifi n type
2. live evidense of the type of the chip included in hd2
3. we need some developers to see the post and give us their opinions
4. trying to make a proper programm to use fm transmittance function if it exists

1. it's easy to test if wifi n works or not. Just using a router configured to work only with n-type wireless and test if the HD2 connects.

2. from the photos on the other thread there's already live evidence.

4. do we only need an application? or a driver?

What are that fmradiosdk.dll & htcfm.dill files for? (sorry I don't have time to search trough all posts in this thread but I'll do that latter).
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
all that thing mentioned are proven to exist ,and the wifi n is activated ,the only missing thing is the transmitter we cannot make drivers for activating it
[HD2 General] abmantis:
Oh OK. So the first post should be correctly updated. Since what's missing is drivers, I cannot really help...
[HD2 General] zefiltrin:
Didn't someone, in some other thread, said that there was no physical connection between the transmitter part of the chip and the rest of the pieces?

I mean, I thought someone said that it's impossible to activate the FM Transmitter, as the Video Output, functions of the chip because they're not connected to anything...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the transmittion chip in hd2 has its own antenna which is connected to the reciver antenna ( both are the same in this chip)no need for one
[HD2 General] Mudgle:
..

Is there any news about this? i thought devs would be interested in this because it would be like a challenge for them. But im sure someone will find a way to make it work one way or another :)
[HD2 General] leaskovski:
Is there any news on this thread helping out with the TMC/RDS from radio project?
[HD2 General] lucid:
I just want to drop the words PUSH TO TALK (PTT) in the context of this discussion.

There have been phones with PTT so one could talk to another without paying , like

a walkie talkie.

Maybe it helps (also with search queries)
[HD2 General] gauner1986:
Done. Works fine on my N Only router. Though speed improve is only 200kb/s or so..
[HD2 General] elyl:
PTT works over the cellular network. It is not like a proper FM/AM transmitting/receiving walkie-talkie.
[HD2 General] adejoe:
Wow this is shocking after reading 33 pages and hoping someone will maybe start a project in the end I'm kind of disappointed I really do hope this app will be released at some point.

To move forward can we all just agree wifi n exist and enabled an people to suggest what is needed to move forward.
[HD2 General] Wildcopper:
I dunno if it has already been said, but be aware that even if you manage to "activate" such a feature, trying to emit without a proper aerial (antenna) will generate a such high Standing Wave Ratio that it may simply burn the emitter to a crisp.
[HD2 General] adejoe:
I dunno about that but check out this link anyway

gadgethobby.com/htc-hd2-could-have-an-fm-transmitter
[HD2 General] nerdtaco:
Could transmitting FM with an HD2 pose legal problems with the FCC in the US?
[HD2 General] MuratNL:
Don't think so; the transmitting power is so low, you can't "broadcast" outside your car :D

So this is really no issue i guess; broadcasting to your car-radio doesn't need much power anyway.

Regards, MuratNL
[HD2 General] Darnell_Chat_TN:
No.

I have usually used a Moto T505 till seeing this therad and I'm hoping maybe I can get rid of the Moto T505.

Small transmission over FM for personal use is 100% legal.
[HD2 General] adejoe:
I found this link but kinda scared to try them out

A brave guy can try it out and give us an update if your phone / computer is still functioning then

Sounds like I'm discouraging people to try out.

I might risk my PC when I get home

Mod Edit: Link removed as malware
[HD2 General] SMS92:
DO NOT DOWNLOAD FROM / VISIT THE ABOVE ADDRESS!

^That link is a site which spiders popular searches and adds them as urls/google bombs to appear high in Google search results. The file is likely to be a virus/trojan/general malware.

A visit to "vixo.dyns.net" (NOT RECOMMENDED) will display the sort of site this is.

AVOID!!!!
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
thanks for advice
[HD2 General] Teh_BaK:
So this is the current progress...

We have confirmed we have the chip to transmit FM, but cannot confirm its physically wired. The only way we can really be sure of this is to get a dev to write a program to test it.... but without knowing the commands to send to the hardware, we're simply stuck, needing more info for the hardware commands before a dev can really do anything.

.. right?
[HD2 General] Starfury:
Reminds me of the whole Hermes & GPS thread from a couple years back
[HD2 General] betaboy:
Just go my HD2. I am interested in this.... Good luck guys.

Transmit most likely will not be using headset as antenna. Usually Headset antenna will be used to scan the free channel and then Tx will be through a separate antenna. Not sure how HTC designed it.

Does anyone have a better picture of BCM4329 chipset part of the board?
[HD2 General] Salvestro:
Attendo con ansia il software per la trasmissione FM.

I'm waiting for the FM trasmitter.

Facimm'ampress!
[HD2 General] gigagrunt:
Any new news on this????!!!
[HD2 General] mattwood2000:
Hi guys - this being my first post and the fact that I'm really focusing on the same topic for the Incredible, correct me if any of this info contradicts any previous posts:

TX is going to depend on a few thing...

The good news (I guess?):

The real datasheet is going to give required info such as the register map, command structure, timing, etc.

Some of this can be determined by looking at the low-level kernel driver for the FM receiver portion. It is possible that the TX portion of the radio uses some of the same registers.

The bad news:

From the product brief, it looks like the FM block only requires an antenna connection meaning that all filtering and switching is done inside the part which is good. However, without the real datasheet, design application notes, or even a schematic of a development kit this will need to be confirmed. If this is not the case, then it really depends on how the antenna circuitry was designed.

The chip is spec'ed to have a max output power of 117 uV which is not that much. The FCC limits the max output power of personal FM transmitters to be 250 uV, but that is the measured received signal strength, not measured directly at the transmitting antenna...so the 117 uV is going to be much less from the context of the receiver even if it had an efficient antenna.

What sucks is that from an upper level management standpoint adding TX is a big pain - it costs the company lots of money to get the design FCC certified for starters, but also it has to actually work well enough so customers don't complain and return the device. It makes more sense for a company not to include it and charge for an external accessory.

For example - the Sirius/XM satellite radios that have built-in transmitters...the FCC forced them to cut the power output and now you pretty much have to use an AUX input or an FM antenna relay to get a good signal.

I'm all for making this work in the end...but from past experience I doubt it will work well enough unless FM TX was a design foresight and they had planned on getting FCC certification.

I thought I read somewhere that it was rumored that the HD2 released in China would have FM TX - in this case its possible that the same phones in the US would be based on the same hardware design and enabling FM TX would work but possibly not confirm to FCC rules.

If nothing else its a good hacking project! :)
[HD2 General] fracmo2000:
I was going to buy another fm transmitter as my cigarette lighter socket in the car is broken (my current one is power from there). I did a search on xda incase there was a specifc one for the hd2...then found this thread!

Is there any further word on how to activate it? This would be awesome!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
Don't get your hopes up. I don't think anyone is seriously working on it, so it will probably never be done. If we could get some smart developers working on it, it may be a possibility, but at this point no one actually knows whether it's possible or not.
[HD2 General] fracmo2000:
awwwww man that sucks balls! Thanks for replying tho!

the iphone has lots of nice adapters which fit the phone nicely...the generic ones (like for the hd2) are pretty large in size...if it was built straight into the phone it would be another awesome win for htc!

i dunno, but what about a bounty thread? worthwhile?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i think people prefere to buy an external fm transmitter instead of spending their money on bounty:D
[HD2 General] fracmo2000:
Think so? I would rather have the ability to use my phone as an fm transmitter anywhere i go. For example, at a friends or an after party this would really come in handy...also in the car. So yeah, imo i would rather give 10$ to some clever xda guy(s) who think they have the skills to do so!

Anybody else with me...or is it just me?
[HD2 General] henry137:
S$50 :cool:
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I would definitely donate $20-$30... maybe more if it worked well. I would much prefer to have it in the phone than have to carry something else around. But again, we don't know if it's possible or if it would be strong enough to be usable.
[HD2 General] fracmo2000:
i wouldnt now where to start asking etc...is there any devs which might be intrested? How would i go about getting this started?

but yeah, i think the bounty could get to a decent amount quite quickly!
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I guess if you really want to try this... first get a bounty thread together and get pledges. If the pledges get high enough, I'm sure it will catch some attention and hopefully someone will be interested enough. I'll pledge $30.
[HD2 General] :
i will join you for $10. why not?
[HD2 General] fracmo2000:
thats already over 100 bucks!

does a admin/mod need to be contacted for this?

would it get more attention in another part of the forum?

is it a driver that needs to be found/written then an app to actually do the job?

i dont want this thread getting lost

:D
[HD2 General] zarathustrax:
I would say first you would want to start an actual donation pledge thread so people see it and make pledges. There aren't many people paying attention to this thread. You'll probably need a few hundred in pledges at least before anyone would really take interest in trying to do something that might not even be possible. I don't know exactly how it would be done if its possible.