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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
It's not so much that freyberry is ahead of the times - we all here have been using PPC's for years! My Hermes does more than the IPhone and it came out 2 years before it. This site is dedicated to having phones that do more and we appreciate MS making phones that do such and would like for them to continue. These phones are very expensive, yet we geeks keep buying them so we have a market also.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
I completely agree.

@chiks19018, I suggest you to sell your WinMo phone because you obviously do not know how to use it. I think iPhone is perfect device for guys like you.

Majority of this community, however, will always use a multitasking devices, and if MS won't provide us with that, there are always alternatives - Android, Maemo etc.

However, I'm pretty sure that in a few days these i**** fanboys will be disappointed.:p
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
for multitasking....Web OS / Palm Pre is another to contend with.....

That said, what you say is true...I should sell my WinMo device and stick with the iPhone. What good is a device if it has to terminate my task in order to accomodate another. Iphone is certainly better in that case. At least it does not terminate, just hibernate!

By the way, I fail to understand what multitasking do you achieve on such a small device that a device with the iphone style OS will not work for you?

I'd like to know something. I am plain tired of hearing...no multitasking..is bad. Of course the iphone multitasks. It only multitasks the core processes i.e. communications. Not games and the like. Are you running SQL queries in the background while you talk to somebody, text another person, and have the excel spreadsheet recalculating numbers, and typing up a contract for another? Is that the kind of multitasking you are talking about?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Phones that do more....such as? I am very interested in knowing that aspect.

As of now, my ATT Pure does nothing more. It's small format makes it impossible for it to be an effective MS-Office document creator. Viewing is fine.

Email? SMS? Phone? Contacts? Maps? Web Browser? Navigation? Music PLayer? Photo Album? iPhone does all that too. and much better than WinMo.

What is it that current WinMO does better than the iphone? I am very much interested in learining that. This is not a sarcastic post, but a plea for my enlightenment.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
Glad to hear that you agree. I hope you won't be posting anymore on XDA since you're going to sell that crappy WinMo device. Thanks in advance. Have fun with your i****.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
Does are wm7 emulator images, an emulator which someone here on xda has, whos he? i know who it is, hes a big part of xda, i cant tell you who it is ofcourse, but yes thats the windows mobile 7 beta the htc universal was running, theres also another phone from 2008 running that very same beta and its HTC, and its VGA, cant say anything more, i said much as it is.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Listen to music in stereo on my bluetooth headsets while surfing the net, then taking a call while pausing my music.

I write songs and like to do so to music so I'll be playing music on Coreplayer, listenening on my bluetooth headsets, have Word Mobile open and write my songs.

These are just examples of some of the major multitasking I enjoy that my brother in law can not do on his iphone. He can't even use the beautiful bluetooth headsets I got him for his birthday because his iphone didn't come with A2DP. Sad. WM has problems, all phones do but having the ability to mulit task is the saving grace for me. I often don't have access to a pc, mac or laptop so my phone is my mini computer.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
The real issue is not multitasking but a bigger issue. The fact of the matter is that a majority of the people on these forums have one thing in common, if we have a problem with something we fix it ourselves. If you read around these forums you will see hundreds of posts with people who want to find an application/fix that fits their needs. For instance if I buy an iPhone and get tired of the lock screen can I change it? What about the music player? In one of your previous posts you mentioned that the iPhone does multi-task but only with core processes i.e communications. What about doing basic things like sending over bluetooth or a better camera(3mb really? My old Motorolla Krazer had a 2mb and that was 3 years ago).

Here's a personal example, when I first bought my device (Samsung Omnia) I played around with the built in UI and it bored me. I found this site and was able to try different interfaces and find one that fits my needs(WAD is the best UI out there!). Would I ever have that choice with the iPhone? It boils down to the fact that many of use want more from our phone and have it do what we want not what the general population wants. You stated that iPhone does a lot of things better then WiMo and I would have to respectfully disagree. The iPhone is stagnant, what you bought is what you bought so live with it. With WiMo and the many hundreds of communities and developers out there you are never that far away from making your phone more personal, more you.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Rim1Flex:
One of phones I have is a HTC PURE. I actually like it. The design is nice, and its 300X better than the iPhone! HTC software/WM will always beat iPhone software anyday:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Naah...I am not going to go away that easy...just wishing me away is not going to work....you have to answer my questions before I disappear from thisforum.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Thank you so much for taking the time to explain instead of beating me up.

Not that it matters, but the iphone 3megapixel camera takes just good pictures that I can send over the net, not for making posters.

To state an analogy, iphone has given the smart phone world the "automatic" transmission when others were offering stick-shift. People who drive stick shifts are never happy with automatics, but do you know that only 3% of cars made/sold are stick shifts nowadays?

fyi...I drive a 250hp stick shift car.

So do I like doing my own customizations. Yeah. sure I do. which is why I am on XDA trying out different ROMS and appreciating the talented chefs out here.

more later....wifey calling me for dinner.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Here we go again.

I own some businesses and I need to stay in touch with my employees at different locations.

The iphone helps me do that by providing seamless, smooth execution of

1. Phone

2. Text messaging

3. Email

4. VNC connectivity which actually works (Thanks Mocha VNC Lite)

I tried some VNC softwares on the ATT Pure but the speed and rendering is just not in the same class as the iphone. Why?

Another example: The phone slider on the WM phone is not as clean as the iphone. This is an indication of poor execution. Why? why?

WM phones are good at many things...not the best at anything. Is that the hallmark of WM?

I want WM to put up a good fight against the iphone. Be good at things that most people care for and then provide extras that creative people can go playing with.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Rim1Flex:
Remember the WM OS that is on the market right now isn't what Microsoft has. WM 6.5 was just to keep them in the market. WM 6.1 wouldn't look very attractive to new cell phone buyers today. WM 7 is the beast that will be released soon and it will cause havoc to the cellphone competition;).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
If you want to see nice photos check out the Renoir or the INNOV8 both were released in 08 and are beast when it comes to photos(8MB each).Personally, the reason I bash the iPhone is that it in a nutshell doesn't do anything amazing, or better then any one device but is just above average(i do give them credit for device responsiveness it was done very well maybe because its capacitive but idk). Granted you are right it does integrate well but at the cost of originality or customization? If your just not into customizing your device then WiMo isn't for you. Its funny how I have so many friends see my phone and say "Wow", "how did you do that" or "did you buy a new phone?". WiMo has the wow factor that the iPhone doesn't have. I see many of my iPhone friends get tired of their device after a couple of weeks and are in the app store download some the most ridiculous apps(saw one that mimicked a beer glass, what purpose does that serve?) If you want power and customization till your eyes bleed then stick with WiMo, if you want a device with nice features that is a "smart" phone then go with the iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
+1 Jokes on you
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
But then again: Sending pictures over the net is what YOU want and what seems to be enough for you.

I want my phone to take pictures good enough to keep them in my photo library. I want the pictures to be good enough so that I don't have to take an extra camera all the time. My HTC HD2 easily does that, the iPhone with its crap camera does not.

You should just stop dictating people what they have to want, cause clearly there are people, who want more than a dumb iPhone can provide. Just accept this.

I know... but that's not how it looks today... or are they going to release this as well?

Anyway, I'm very interested in the whole story, maybe you can tell us more tomorrow?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] uniqueboy:
Since we are bashing iPhones...iTunes is the biggest pile of crap i am forced to have on my computer...YUK, however I have read somewhere that the next batch of updates for iPhone will support more multitasking. One thing where the iPhone wins hands down is its awesome smooth graphics across the board I have never seen anything as good on any windows phone, except maybe for Schaps' new touch experience demos, it could be that Schaps will be the saviour of win mo and not win mo7 at all...I think it is the smooth graphics that attract people to iPhone, if microsoft does not fix this with wm7 they will never draw customers away from apple :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Rim1Flex:
The graphics are much better in WM7;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
MS is not going to release this version, someone else will....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
And why has this not happened yet?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Frey...what is with this "dictating" idea? You seem to have a problem with somebody having a differing opinion my friend. I can say the same about you. You are also dictating what future direction WM should take. Aren't you?

Take it easy. I am raising questions and giving out opinions for my own enlightenment. If that was not the case, I would not be discussing this matter.

Thanks to everybody who is willing to partake in a healthy discussion.

peace.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
+10 on this one.

FYI...I hate itunes myself.....bloatware in it's own right:mad:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Better than TouchXperiene or Iphone?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
From what I've seen: Yes, definitely.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
You sure do have a very biased opinion. Megapixels is only half the story in land of photography.There are many other factors that decide the quality of the picture. Fyi..my LG-VU with 2.0 megapixels camera has better picture quality than my ATT Pure with it's 5.0 megapixel camera. It's another story that the LG-VU screen is crap and you would think that the picture quality is bad. But once you transfer them to a computer, you see the real story.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
I am looking forward to this now....I sincerely want WM to beat iphone at it's own game.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
You can't say nothing about me. Man, you don't get it.

I'm just saying what I (a BIG FAT I, as in, I, ME!!!) want. I'm NOT (!!!!!) saying what anyone else wants, should want or should do!

You, in contrast, are trying to justify the iPhone's shortcomings by making claims about what people other than you or me want. That's what I mean by "dictating". And that's typical iPhone fanboy behavior. So, please, stop that. We don't care about what you or anyone else wants and we won't try to tell anyone what he should want, cause only fanboys behave like that.

Man, I certainly know A LOT more about cameras than you. For sure. And the iPhone's camera is crap. Actually, the camera was the number one reason I switched back (first to the Touch HD, then to the HD2). Because I am not fine with low quality snapshots that are only good to send per mail to tell someone where you are or whatever. Maybe you're fine with that, but that doesn't mean anyone else must be satisfied with crappy snapshots.

And no, I'm not biased, what I say about the iPhone is solely based on my experiences of using iPhones (for quite a long time).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
OK. Where are your feet. Can I roll under there?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
I really wonder what your problem is... anyone is allowed to express his/her wishes... or not?!

You don't have to care about what I want, just like I don't give a peep about what you want.

I'm not saying that everyone needs multitasking and good cameras, I'm just saying that I want those things. That's totally different from iPhone fanboys justifying the shortcomings of their phone by making claims about what "everyone" or "the majority" needs and trying to convince others what they should (not) need.

Seriously, I'm sick of that. The iPhone is just as flawed as anything else and not everyone has to accept crappy cameras and missing multitasking, just like people don't have to accept difficult or ugly user interfaces.

Expressing one's wishes/needs is a totally different thing from justifying the flaws of the own phone. It's useful/important to make things better, while justifying flaws and trying to convice people that they have to accept them doesn't make anything better at all.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Rim1Flex:
Freyberry, you have seen WM 7? There is alot that is unseen;) Its really really nice, like my phone is better then yours kind of thing, haha.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Yeah, but not in action... I'm soooo eager to see it in action tomorrow... :)

...no, wait... today!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] BoboBrazil:
Likelihood of the demo build from MWC getting leaked?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
For once we agree... :D .but then I don't know why you have to beat me up if I even praise the iphone just a little bit.

If I can overlook WM flaws and still use the phone, why should I not overlook iphone flaws??

Did I tell you Mr Frey to stop using WM or else..

No.

I am simply showing what the competition is better at. Or more importantly why the competition is beating WM. If that hurts, so be it. It should hit where it hurts. That may be the only chance for WM to come back. MS is not driven by a fanatic person who will only provide what he can make best. MS has the weak side of catering to everybody's whims in order to win their hearts. That apparently leads to being the best at nothing.

UI interface in WM....poor.

Hardware? OK at best. Don't tout the HD2 in my face. HD2 is in the market because of the iphone competition. Not because MS/HTC had a dream to make superior hardware like HD2.

You know it as well as I do that the approach iphone has taken in developing a hardware + software combination is the best. There is no catering to various devices, resolutions, keys, et al. the ROM will therefore end up bieng light, stable and easy scalable for after market apps.

Why is it so difficult to find a VNC software that would work properly on my HTC Pure? WM supposedly has a lot more "capability". Apparently not.

Strereo bluetooth? as if that is the one thing that one wants in this day and age when the devices are so power hungry anyways. So instead of the 24 hr use, I will have to recharge every 3 hours. What is the point of such a feature? Do I like it. Yes I do. but if I had to choose, stereo bluetooth capability does not win. Light, fast and responsive browser wins. It is 4 years now, and WM still does not have a browser that can beat mobile Safari. Now don't throw Flash support in my face. Flash is dead. It is gone. Might as well forget it. It cannot support the needs of the future. Look at HTML5 for that.

apple Fanboy...my foot. Talk about yourself.

camera resolutions.....as if I know nothing.....what the :confused:

Anyways, let us know what you see at the Steve Ballmer Dog & Pony Show ....anxiously waiting for that!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
Ok there is one fundamental problem with your argument. The fact of the matter is that any WiMo user can use the HD2 as an argument against the iPhone because it is on WiMo. Remember that WiMo is a general platform that supports different devices from HTC, Acer, Samsung among many others. WiMo is an OS just as Vista and 7 are. Apple only has one device to deal with so it has to be well integrated, if it wasn't it would be a complete flop. I do agree that if it weren't for Apple Microsoft wouldn't be making the moves they are right now to recapture the mobile sector. WiMo had some 5 odd years with little completion(Blackberry and the rest just blurred together) so they became complacent. I am happy that Apple is here because it give MS a punching bag for the next 10 years:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Agreed. Yes. you can use the HD2 as an argument on my viewpoint. But then I am happy that you do realize that HD2 is an anomaly. It is not representative of the WM phones out in the market. There are many and none of them provide the user experience that iphone does. Competition is good!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
The thing you say about stereo bluetooth is wild to me. If the popular Iphone had been capable of exploiting this feature it would have lead with it as a marketing tool. The phone (along with the ipod) is an entertainment device first and foremost so how can having a hands free environment not be a major positive. That's the same thing that XBox, PS 2&3 and Wii use to expand a video game market that was open to growth but stagnant - better graphics ans controllers no longer tethered to the system to allow more freedom. I was extremely dissapointed to find I couldn't play the 32GB of movies and music and listen over stereo bluetooth. This is a FLAW and if MS had made i instead of Apple it would be all over the net as yet another sign of their incompetence.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
anomaly? I don't agree. We can go back a couple of devices and they're is the Omnia, HD, Tilt 2. All of these were released before the 3GS and they are as good if not better then the 3GS. With advancement of technology an HD2 was bound to happen. Heck we have 32GB memory cards a 1GB processor was bound to happen.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
I don't overlook or justify WM flaws. You overlook/justify iPhone flaws. That's the difference between us ;)

Thing is, WM's flaws are not as serious as iPhone's flaws for me (!!!). I'm sure they're more serious for other people. People are different and have different needs. I won't tell anyone what to use and what flaws to overlook. Thats what annoying iPhone fanboys do, not me.

Sure. That's exactly the approach that made the Macintosh the world's most used computer... no, wait... :rolleyes:

Seriously, with phrases like that, you're outing yourself as an Apple fanboy. They always try to convince people why Apple stuff is better... you even admit that you're trying to do just that. I'm not trying to convince anyone about WM or justify it's weaknesses. I'm just talking about my personal needs. That's the difference between you and me.

Normal people don't spend their day trying to convince others why one or the other product from a company (that doesn't pay them) is better. Normal people know about the fact that everyone is different and has different needs. WM is not worse, iPhone is not better, they're both seriously flawed, but in different ways, cause they originally tried to satisfy the needs of different groups of people.

I'm part of the group of people that WM was originally targeted at. I don't give a damn about what group of people anyone else is part of. Cause I'm not a fanboy, spending my whole day trying to bring people over to "my group". I'm just someone who buys whatever satisfies his needs best. If Microsoft decides to exclusively target another group of people in the future: So be it. I'll simply move on.

Oh, and by the way: It doesn't matter how many megapixels the iPhone's camera has... it's crap. Period.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
Because of a reason which i cannot say, just be patient.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
The Tilt2 is a resistive screen....problem#1

problem# 2 is as always the UI.

Eg. Copilot live.

The interface for the iphone and WM tilt2 is very much the same, but the responsiveness is not the same.

What good is a stick shift car if it trails the automatic in a slalom??
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
My my....u sure love the phrase "iphone fanboys"......why are you making it as if it is a cuss word??

Praise what is good.

Trash what is not good.

Who cares where it comes from...MS or Apple...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
And yes. This thread is not about YOUR personal needs. Keep that in mind. This is about WM7 and how it is going to follow or beat the competition.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
UI is a personal preference. I dont mind WiMo interfaces and I can not stand iPhone interfaces. They amount to just tabs. Capacitive screens have their faults. For one resistive is cheaper(check out the price for a iPhone unlocked. They run for about 1,000 USD). Two, they are more accurate(you may say no but they are capacitive screens is just more responsive. Part of the reason that the iPhone has such big icons is because capacitive screen aren't as accurate.). And the biggest one to me is that they don't damage as easily. Dropping glass is not a good idea. So everything has its good and its bad side.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Is it the 15th yet?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Duron23:
I agree that iphone made MS to wake up and work on its OS, and I thank apple for that. And my thanking stop's there.

What good is Iphone interface ? It just keep's you swiping you fingure all the time, just to open a simple application you need to perform 3-4 gestures. And due to its big screen, you can't use it with single hand, you always need to hold in one hand, use the other hand to touch or swipe to open an application. Can you use safari using single hand, In WM we can use IE just with single hand.

Does Iphone allow you to choose what app you want to run on your phone? When the maker of your phone is deciding what you are going to run on your phone, then why pay him so much and buy a phone ? this is only just an example, there are many many flaws in Iphone.

WM has just one, only one flaw i.e., its UI. But its not a big flaw, but Iphone has many big and major flaw's

And its Iphone and other makers who are trying to catch up to Windows Mobile, its not the other way.

Apple just took the proven technology a little further that's it ( touch screen UI )?

And one more thing, with no offence, REMEMBER YOU ARE IN WM DEVELOPMENT FORUM, AND NO ONE WILL LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT IPHONE **** HERE.