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[HD2 General] H2D2:
I empathise.

From my perspective:

1. WinMo & apps - Agreed. HUGE room for improvement.

2. Reliability - Top notch. No unneccessary reboots required, no hangs/freezes/non-responsiveness/missed keypresses/cursor jumping

....maybe it's your phone.

Doesn't bad luck come in threes? Maybe your next HD2 will be as good as mine. (p.s. I'm using 1.61 stock rom)
[HD2 General] ZaZu90:
I had the N97 before this, and im really happy to have moved on, the HD2 owns the N97 ,... Nokia died .. sadly .. The best was the N95

Anyway, regarding the HD2, yes I love it, but what you said is actually ture :(

I for once thought that by getting the HD2, I will be able to connect with friends .. I thought its facebook integrated because you can add their info in contacts !!

But the blackberry, a new wall post, an inbox message, even a POKE .. you get a notification ...

I really thought the HD2 is more social .. but the facebook app sucks ...

A bit dissapointed at that part .. but oh well ... If you had the N97, you cant really complain alot ... The n97 killed nokia (IMO).
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Sell it, wait for Xperia X10 - it seems this should be a social network beast.

And comes with Android 1.6 with tons of apps to choose from...

Not that those would have the eye candy look of iPhone apps by all meanings...

But you will have what you want. I don´t think you are the HD2 type.
[HD2 General] jakem:
I'm not sure why you need to restart the phone every day because I certainly don't have to do that. I'd say that you're problem is related to some software you've installed rather than the phone or the OS. I don't have any stability or reliability issues with Windows Mobile.

Perhaps you need to reflash an official ROM and install the apps you use one at a time to determine which one(s) are causing you problems?
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
I have decided to go back to the Iphone - nothing beats it for ease of use, application / media support and obvious sync ability if you own a Mac. The HD2 Hardware, screen and size is awesome but I find the WM and HTC UI just too messy and clunky compared to the Iphone. I have kept it though until a more cleaner UI is designed and the Windows apps store improves - Infinity looks promising...but by then the new iphone will be here - and other makes will always be playing catchup in terms of innovation and UI simplicity.

I suppose you cant beat it for customising though, but I don't want to spend half my time fiddling with silly theme tweaks and icons.
[HD2 General] ZaZu90:
But how do you go from a 5mp camera (although pink spot crap) to a 3mp camera with no flash !!!!!
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
On bright day, Iphone camera is just as good...and I prefer a bit of grain on darker scenes to pink spot of doom and blurry shots on HD2 - the video on iphone is just as good also...but the HTC is great and I miss it.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
On bright day, Iphone camera is just as good...and I prefer a bit of grain on darker scenes to pink spot of doom and blurry shots on HD2 - the video on iphone is just as good also...but the HTC is great and I miss i
[HD2 General] Drakknar:
Agreed... Social networking and multimedia software for HD2 is pretty low quality or completely missing compared to other platforms. I think that Microsoft is not releasing any update for their social networking apps because they're totally focused and committed to deliver WM 6.6 and WM7. Before switching to another phone I'd wait feb/march to see what Microsoft will show about these updates and if they will be available on our HD2.

Personally, I think that WM7 with its supposed wow-effect and eye candy will give a huuuge boost to the software catalogue of the platform and deliver strong social networking capabilities.

Taking about reliability... I just have to reset my device sometimes because my texts gets stuck in the outbox, but this problem is HTC related and I hope will be fixed asap. The same thing can be said about most of any other software issue on HD2. Based on some analysis that I did by observing the active processes on my phone, there are some memory leaks or high CPU usage also Start (HTC Sense), services.exe and HTC Messagging while the device is performing some SMS-related tasks or HTC sense is updating contacts and linking them with the newest Facebook Updates.

Also, by having tried for quite a long time a "vanilla" version of WM 6.5.x, I can say I didn't had any single problem that caused me to soft-reset the device, and the system itself was fast and stable. Then I went back to a modded ROM with sense built-in just because of the extra eye candy (I don't like how titanium/spb shell or pointui 2 look).

So my suggestion would be to wait a couple of months to see what Microsoft has under the hood and then decide what's the best for your needs.

EDIT: It seems that itje managed to grab a 2.06 version and will include it soon in his new rom, so it may bring some fixes to the most outstanding bugs (but have new ones aswell... we just have to wait and see)
[HD2 General] Stoic33:
For facebook try: http://touch.facebook.com/

so far it beats the facebook app and the lite site.
[HD2 General] matt_attack_2k1:
hi mate, i was watching the hd2 for a couple of months andi i finally got one about 2 weeks ago now. i must say initially i loved it, the look, the size the style, i thought it was perfect, but over the past week things are starting to annoy me now. ive had to pull my battery out a fair few times due to the screen staying blank but the buttons being on, message lag is the worst, its got to the point where im opening and closing the menu 3 times until its caught up... also im getting general lag and slowness in the menus now aswel. i have no music on here, about 20 photos, i havent done anything to it because i only just found out how to get into the registrys! its a joke, and you can say 'install the tweaks and roms' or whateve r,but why should we rely in people here at xda to adress the flaws and fix them, when the least id expect from a £500+ phone is to be able to send a text lag free! also, web browsings ridiculously poor image quality, poor you tube video quality, its crap! ive tried i.e., but its buggy, opera is my favored but with horendous image quality, and opera mini is the worst browser ive ever used...

In time cant wait to start customising it and playing around, but with things i want to, not because i have to due to htc's laziness...

I've not even considered sending i back once, and i wont, i love it, but im hoping htc are going to address and fix these things that shouldnt need fixing!
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I never had to take the battery out of mine, it never crashed, image quality was superb when browsing and You Tube videos were perfect!
[HD2 General] tbfl:
Thanks for that - works great !
[HD2 General] biofotis:
I used to have wm phone 3 years ago while there was nothing better in the market and it did the job very well. Then I bought an iphone 3G and I saw the new meaning of user friendly interface and responsive phone. I had the iphone for 2 years and 3 days ago I bought the HD2. Now the iphone looks like comparing DOS with windows! The iphone interface is so simple and the CPU is very slow. It crashes sometimes (once per 10 days approx) and Apple policy is the worst! They want to control their clients and release whatever and whenever they want. When I first got it I couldn't even send MMS or use my own ring tones(there was a whole list of things you couldn't do even though they were supported by the hardware). You cant customize anything because they want to keep and maintain an 'apple' look. Before I got my HD2 everyone had an Iphone whenever I was (train, bus, streets) and I was feeling like I was one small piece in the mass that apple was controlling...

HD2 allows you to do many things whitout comrpimising the user friendliness. I only restarted my phone after I installed critical updates. The battery lasts the same but at least you can replace it whenever you want. Also you can upgrade the memory and connect many different bluetooth devices. Yesterday I connected my bluetooth keyboard and wrote a page in word mobile. Can you do that with the iphone? I synched my contacts with facebook and now I have all the pictures automatically filled. Also with the HD2 you can play almost every media file without transcoding. Can you do that with the iphone? Of course not...The hardware allows you but Apple dont..

Also what about the radio? The led flash?

I am very happy that I moved from the Apple game into a free device that you can do whatever you want but at the same time having this very good looking GUI that makes you feel like being in the future....

I kept my iphone at home as an alternative console/pda because I knew that some programs and especially games will be missing from HD2 so whatever does not exist on HD2 (yet), it is on the iphone.
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
The iPhone that you had for 2 years is either the 1st or second generation iPhone, and they are of course slow. The 3GS is not slow compared to Leo.

If you just jailbreak your phone, which is a mere 30 seconds affair comprising clicking a button when running BlackRa1n, then the things which you want to do including typing on bluetooth keyboard would be possible.

The only real attraction of Leo compared to iPhone is the screen size and resolution. The pink patch in the camera spoils the otherwise better camera. As for speed, I think there isn't differential.

Using window mobile instead of Android is however the biggest weakness of this device. There is no future in window mobile. Any application that we invest in on Leo today will not be compatible with WM7, if there is going to be one released at all before Leo becomes average or dated.

The WM6.5 UI is extremely stale. Good applications are hard to come by. Many applications and developments are in the nature of fixing up stuffs in order to correct bugs or make them more useable. Nobody is developing application on an OS that's at the end of its shelf life.
[HD2 General] PzykoSkillz:
You could always check out the Nexus One also. It's gotten good reviews everywhere that I've read.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I've read about possible hardware faults.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Dude... sorry for the off-topic but where are you living ?

The E72 is a complete pwnage...

Read the statistics here http://www.gsmarena.com/stats.php3

Top Rated

By phone: Nokia

By Interest: Nokia

By Brand: Nokia

Sorry for the off-topic again but the O.P is completely right. The device slows time over time and needs a reset and for apparently no reason. The services.exe seems to screw up everything and moreover voice call quality is zero, null, nada... Crackles and distortion all the time. SMS? i need to keep uploading through microsoftmyphone as the device is not able to load few dozens of messages, it becomes completely unusable.

Same problem since November and all we hear is that the device is still recent and we need to cool down as no phone comes with perfect shipped ROM. But I am afraid HTC IS NOT ABLE TO IDENTIFY OR FIX THE PROBLEMS WITH THE HD2

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I SEE A MANUFACTER RELEASING A BUGGY HOTFIX THAT MAKES THINGS WORSE

If you are following my threads and posts, I got 4 HD2 each one had its own problem and I thought that the 4th was flawless but unfortunately NOT.

The screen is gorgeous but if that's everything the HD2 delivers, I am afraid I will have to swap it.

I am not asking too much, 1GHZ processor with 448MB RAM and still not able to load SMSes correctly is a complete JOKE, a BAD ONE.

Windows Mobile OS is flawed but HTC applications are ****ty. Trying to restore WM messaging application? are you kidding me? People on contract may not feel the pain but I have payed 950$ for that thing in November reading all the outstanding HD2 reviews and BS...

HTC sent me an Email on the 10th that a new ROM should be available before the 15th of the month and it's been like a week and STILL NOTHING.

I am Afraid they are not going to solve the issues because it seems that they are finally aware that there is a serious issue with the SENSE code. That should take too much time. All I am doing is crossing my fingers everyday waiting for a new ROM or real Hotfix and I see nothing but disappointment.

I don't want to keep waiting nor to swap my device. We are NOT BETA TESTERS.

Every week there's a new device released and it's almost 3 months since we've got our HD2 and nothing has be solved yet except the number of remaining pictures in the camera application WHICH I WASN'T AWARE OF.

I am expecting a huge improvement by the end of the month, else I will just drop HTC and their phones.
[HD2 General] Spike15:
And here I was thinking that UIs were just supposed to provide a way for the user to interface with the device.

Maybe if you want not-stale imagery, you should go outside?
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
I cant beleave you, could you please send some screen pictures of your image on web browser.

Because when I use Opera or Ie on HD2 and i compare the image quality to an Iphone is way to pale....:eek: :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC HD2 Bugs

@leoni1980

@Xeon

I defenetly agree with you 2 guys, it seem that must people who are satisfy with this devise are coming from previous WM phones,so they are in wonderland with the difference.

I cant tolerate that the must fundamental things that a phone must do, HD2 Cant do them... eg Calling your love ones on a relabel phone (some times he does not respond and is just dead) on top of that!!!! While in a call the volume is way to high, and of course you have a distortion sound and Echo on it

Sending an sms (ok no need to comment on that) + saleng us a phone with a Pink spot <<<< that is just like if we were paid to test there prototypes.

I m sure that must everyone has encounter bugs on this devise but they assume they come because they are tweeting the registry or flashing cooked roms.

In my case i only apply the HTC updates and have done or ad nothing else.

And to answer your question leoni1980 I can a like the XPERIA10 just hoping the keyboard be more friendly touch than the HD2

Here with a list of unsolved known bugs

Radio / Cellular reception

HD2’s Radio ROM suffers from bad reception in some areas and weird disconnections when the Data connection is active

Screen sensitivity

the capacitive screen sensitivity is a little bit too high especially when typing on the on-screen keyboard

Camera

Even-though a HOTFIX was released for the Pink camera hue/spot HTC can still do a better job because, so far it looks like the FIX doesn’t apply to videos captured with the device.

SMS

The now infamous SMS “stuck in outbox bug” is probably what should be fixed a soon as possible. The HOTFIX released a few days ago doesn’t seem to have fixed the problem as far as I can tell.User who applied the patch still suffer from this and other who are running the 1.61 that supposedly already includes the fix) are experiencing this too. Some messages also show up with the wrong date and time stamp.

Volume rocker

The hardware volume rocker also suffers from some weird behaviour. When watching a video through HTC’s Album application (and YouTube app or listening to music through Sense) the on-screen overlay volume visualization (that lets you know your volume level) often disappears so you have to guess what your current volume is. Even worst, sometimes pressing up or down on the rocker will fast forward or rewind the video (or crash the device) or the music you are listening too. Soft-Resetting the devices is the only way to bring the volume overlay back.
[HD2 General] clubtech:
I am 100% with the OP and ALL the points he mentioned.

I have been using Windows mobile for years and also been using the iphone and Android phones.

no phone is perfect but Windows Mobile is simply flawed (at least until 7).

There is absolutely no excuse for having to reboot the phone at least once a day, have the phone freeze on you for no reason at all.

You install one app that can screw up your entire system or just parts of it and you will never know which app it was....

Lack of apps and the ones are being developed are really of low quality.

The ONLY reason why i am keeping the HD is due to its screen size. but this is really the only reason and if things to get better soon (which i am sure they wont) i will just have to teach myself using a 3.5/3.7 inch screen again but have a stable OS and a stable phone.
[HD2 General] stuartforrest:
right i am typing this o. my hd2 keyboard and intentionally leaving the mistakes. i am a good onscreen typist but si.ce changig from the touch pro 2 whih i could type on almost perfectly without usig the hardware keyboard i have been shocked at how crap this is.

my wife has the iphone 3gs and i have done side by side tests. most of the ui is better on thebiphone and she has jever rebooted. i do it several times a day. the iphone camera is pathetic. the hd2 js great. i hage taken exactly the same pics jn the same light and the diffeeence is stunning.

the 3gs lacks multitaskig and enough buttons which certainly gets frustrating. np gojng back to the previius thing we were dojng with a 3gs which is pants!

but my touch hd2 (with all patches) js so crap with screen responsiveness and reliabilkty thay i am very close to chnging to another phone despite the wonderful hardware that I want to love.

I know wjnmo isn't perfect by my touch pro 2 hardly ever needed rebkoting whereas this phone id sh**e and we haven't even got onto he call quality which is way poorer than my touch pro2

i hate tyoig on this deviice. it is hopeless. also this one aas purchased sim free but i had another from tmobile thay was exactly the same for typjng. they were purchased 2 months apart so it cant just be a batch of haddware.

I promise i can type properly really. also if i type really slowly it gets more accurate but i dont want to type at half the speed i have done for years on other devices. you have to hope that htc execs use their own phones so they must know how crappy the typig is
[HD2 General] DuoM:
Hahaha, excellent post!!!

This sums up my problems with the HD2 keyboard nicely. I've tried several devices from multiple places over the last two months and none of them are usable.

However I can use the software keyboards on the Touch Pro 2, Omnia II, HTC Hero, iPhone, T-Mobile Pulse, Nokia N810, etc, etc without problem.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
Sadly, I agree 100% with the OP completely

I came from an iphone 3GS as a temporary replcement for my HD while I waited for the HD2. I've had HTC and WM for years too.

The iphone never let me down, never needed rebooting, never crashed, never had sms problems or typing problems.

then my HD2 arrived, and while I loved the fact that I could customise the phone to way *I* wanted it (rather than have it stuck the way apple wanted my iphone to be)...

immediately the typing infuriated me, the sms problem infuriated me, the lock-ups infuriated me.

I remember my mate (who had an iphone) tuned on my phone and said 'so what's so special about this phone?' and unluckily, the act of him turning it on caused the phone to lock up and I had to remove the battery to reset it. you can imagine his comments after that...and all he did was turn it on!!

sadly, the iphone just wasn't any good as a business phone (which is what I need) and so I've stuck with the HD2...but each day I get less and less in love with the phone...and have been looking to see what else is available....sadly, nothing grabs my attention and while I am really fighting not to go back to the iphone...it's ease of use is such a temptation.
[HD2 General] paullong:
Honestly, just get the Swype keyboard. It rocks and is free!
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Wow! The people having problems with their phones are seriously unlucky. I have no problems with the keyboard, SMS or lockups.

But those who have problems and have had more than 2-3 replacements need some kind of mental therapy. I mean, it's like going hunting for bears in the woods, but being rogered by the bear, going back hunting the next day, being rogered again, and still going back the day after. You very quickly start to question whether you're there for the hunting!

Stop complainng and ditch the phone people!!!!
[HD2 General] SeanX:
Have you done a survey on this, or are you just making it up? There are plenty of people here who came from the iPhone. I had a 3g for a year before I got the hd2. I am not planning on going back any time soon.

THe problems that some of you are reporting sound serious, and I would be upset if it happen to me. But my hd2 just works.

I do wish I had one of the wonderful iphones you guys have had though. In my experience, the iphone is a bimbo, good looking but not very smart. It's also the most unreliable pos phone I have ever had to deal with. Of the 8 iPhones in our company, 3 have been replaced under warranty (and 2 more due to accident damage).

I suggest you wait till the end of the month and see what Apple announce. If a new iPhone is coming soon, jump on it. If you are prepared to live in a walled garden, the iPhone is a good phone. If you want to play games on it, it's a great phone.

Sean
[HD2 General] kr00t0n:
I've had mine just over a month. I've had to take the battery out once, but other than that, the only time I have had to reboot the phone is when flashing ROMs.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
too funny, coffee squirting from nose
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC HD2 Bugs

@Ruudfood;5417066]

The only one that must need a mental therapy is you, since is well writing in the very first page, that this thread is only for those people who are not blind or on extasse infront of the biggest screen of the moment,and they realize that Hd2 has some serious bugs!!!!!!

If that is not your case go write, in the loving Hd2 Threads and be part of blindness ones
[HD2 General] omneity:
It's only a phone.

I get on fine with my HD2, even where it's not perfect I don't let it stress me out. I think you and the other who continuously ***** & moan should chill, get another phone and find something more important to worry about.

This is a developers forum, so don't expect everything to be technically hygienic here.
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
@leoni1980

I don't want to hear from people who think the phone is perfect....I'm not interested in your views as they are clearly tarnished in some way by either an amorous obsession with Windows Mobile or a lack of variation in the phones you've owned. I don't particularly want to hear anyone criticising the iPhone or Android either as this is pretty irrelevant. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Mate, I'm not blind. I acknowledge that there are people experiencing problems with the phone. What I'm struggling to comprehend is why, if there are so many problems, they persevere with it. The pros must outweight the cons, or the decision-making process of those individuals is somewhat flawed.

Just my opinion!
[HD2 General] kruithofm:
Hi, You are right, I don't experiance the problems yet but it is MS OS, so it will come. I already did some investigation on the device and I found out that there is a memory leak in the software somewhere. I have to look ferther to find out where, but that will take some time. Still I love the device. And I hope there will be a android port available soon. though i think it will not be there within a year, if they manage to do it at all.

The only tip I can give you is, for now, softreset the device once a day in advance. And look carefully wich software you add since there is a lot of good looking but bad programmed software for Windows Mobile. Especialy the older software for WM 5 or lower.

About the usage of the keyboard, I don't complain, since I knew about these kind of problems, and since it is the first device wich uses capacitive touchscreen on WM for me. Most third party software is not ready for this.

regards,

a happy HD2 user

;)