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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fuzzysig:
so after 3 weeks of hangin on this forum and spending all my free time learning the phone to do the tricks i want it to.

or even to work straight for more than 3 days without reset i returned my phone and got a blackberry bold 9700

since it suits my needs more.

ill wait till the HD2 comes out here in US

it was a great phone (in theory) but in practice it was kinda bulky, unresponsive,umm kinda useless for me personally.

i felt like i was using windows 95 again.

program errors every day at least one

freezing constantly

setting up email every week because it stops receiving mail

then hardware wise:

no camera flash, and quality is not so great for being 3.2mp(ive had much better)

no headphone jack mmkay

forget about one hand use nless you got girl fingers, nut then it wil be too heavy to hold.

the mein reason is actually what alot of you guys should consider is how much time u spend tweaking, modding,FIXING, your phone VS. how much time you spend actually using your phone

with this phone it was 80/20 ratio which is not what i bough the phone for.

blackberry it was about 30/80 which was pretty satisfying for me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] charleswesde:
I guess windows mobile isn't for everyone, nor is the tp2. Enjoy your new device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Shame to hear your bad experience:(

For me, spending my time here customizing and learning it´s pleassure!

You must really like modding your device, otherwise you always con go for iphoney, crackberry or any other "ready to use" brand:D

Rhodium is a great device for me:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] irkan:
Its all about taste i guess

Its all about taste i guess, .. i used to have a Motorola RAZR V8, Linux-Based, ... and i used to MOD the shi*t out of it, i really liked that, even though that the battery life was really bad, but i liked it cuz it was mood-able. after that i bought nokia E75, not much i could do with it but adding themes and apps, .. its really reliable, and fast, but its kindda boring when you cant do anything but the original functions :D

anyway, . .wish you good luck with your BB mate!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] CB620:
Couldnt Agree More. I Mod My Phone Everyday. Its Only So Much To DO With A iPhone/Blackberry. Im Bout To Get The HD2 Though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fuzzysig:
well it was mostly because of speed of the device.

im probably the most ADD pc user i know. most of the time people have no idea what im doing on the PC because i have so many windows open and i go thru them very quickly when im doing something. and they sit there like wtf.

so blackberry OS is a lil snappier. out of the box it has most features that i need without tweaking...

i do want the HD2 when it comes out but its probably gonna be expeeeensive.

and like i said i bought the phone so i can use it not spend all time modding it. i did that with my sony ericsson and once i was done. the new one came out that had all the features so. i could spend my 6 months just saving up some money for new one and do something else.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] carhigh:
Some people go buy a new toyota and some people go find old chevys to restore
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] S.V.I:
it is kinda like a muscle car to tweak.

I still miss my wizard. made that thing run faster than a Kaiser... or this tp2.

I kept coming back to windows because the OS and OEM are so tweakble. I dont have problems teathering internet to my laptop... in fact it is like having a mini laptop.

I think that as soon as the new rom comes out for T-mo I will do everything I did on my wizard to make it run as fast as I want it to, even if it takes a month. (which it did) I keep hearing people complain about their Blackberries and IPhones.. "I cant do this; I cant do that" and meanwhile I raise my IQ just problem solving.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] charleswesde:
Exactly. Some peoples phone are also their hobby, others just want a phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] wildfxp:
Basically my assumption is that ALL windows smart phones will be slow no matter how many new versions and faster cpus there are. It's just windows...lol.

I do agree that other phones such as the iPhone or Blackberry is extremely fast, but when it comes down to modding, you really can't do much...

You're basically stuck with what your phone came with and nothing else.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChasDun:
30/80 on the BB, huh? Wow, you are getting 110% from your Blackberry? If so, where do I get one of those? Now we all can see why a windows "smartphone" was so difficult for you to use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] a2002cmacg:
He he he he......
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imeraz:
I can understand why some people like windows mobile and the flexibility to mod and tweak etc., but i'm so tired of windows mobile and their crap OS full of bugs. Yes you can install cooked ROMS and the chefs around here do a great job but when the core code (OS) is crap it brings you back to the same bugs no matter what ROM you're running. For example, SMS on every windows mobile phone i have owned (treo, mogul, touch pro and now tilt 2) has been crap. It's actually worse on my tilt 2 than any of the previous winmo phones I owned. I actually just installed a "hotfix" which is supposed to fix the sluggish/freezing SMS application and either the update didn't install (looked like the install went fine) or the update did absolutely nothing to fix the sms app because my sms app is just as slow as it was before and still freezes. If SMS wasn't such crap on winmo I would stay with a winmo phone but since it's getting worse I'm either going to the Iphone or an android as soon as the androids are released for AT&T.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DeoreDX:
I absolutely love the TP2 hardware. I love Manilla/Sense when it works. I just want to get my phone set up with the programs I want with the theme/backgrounds I want and leave it alone and let it get my emails, make phone calls, and browse the occasional web page. But simple things that shouldn't cause the phone to lock up, does. Any time I change the Theme on my phone, Sense locks up and I have to soft reset. Winmo has been out for quite a while simple tasks like that should not be an issue. Sometimes after I softreset Sense won't launch and it locks up my phone. Nothing to do but softreset again and hope for the best. I tried installing SPB Shell. Progress bar stuck at 100% for like 30 minutes. Guess something went wrong so I soft reset. Tried uninstalling and the uninstall sticks at 100%. No way for me to get rid of it so I had to hard reset and re-set up my phone. This was after spending an hour researching trying to find a way to get rid of it.

But I finally have my phone looking the way I want it too. All the programs I want installed. We'll see how stable it is now.

Comming from an original TYTN II then moving to an iPhone and then a Blackberry and then an Android phone I really do love the possibilities of the ecosystem of Windows Mobile but with my iPhone, Blackberry, and Android they were so much more stable and easier to live with day to day. One of the things I miss most about the Blackberry platform is the ability to plug it in, and backup the entire device and create a sort of snapshot of that time and day of your config. So if I need to wipe my device I can go back to a point where everything was installed and working the way I wanted it too. This software came with the phone and wasn't something you had to spend 5 hours researching on XDA Developers to see if it's even possible.

I love this web page, it's an invaluable resource with TONS of information. But for those of us who don't quite know all the nomenclature, or know what things will work with what version of Sense/Manilla, or your build of Windows, or that maybe items from the Blackstone will work on your Rhodium, etc it's pretty tough sledding reading and researching trying to figure out what you want to know to do what you want to do. It's almost like there is too much information at times. And the information is presented in a way that only experienced Windows Mobile users know what the heck the information means. And if a new user posts a question they will be told by 3-4 different people that the information is out there if only they would do a search. But as a new user it's hard to search for something when you aren't quite sure what it's called or if it's even possible in the WinMo eco system.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fuzzysig:
lol thats why i choose a toyota over some beat up chevy.

BECAUSE IT DRIVES and i dont have to spend hours making it work...

had the blackberry for a qwwk not and havent had a single complaint yet.

no freezing up. no need to constantly update it.

no need to go thru registry

blackberry browser is not the best one but it is better because IT WORKS when i need it to, it doesnt frreeze up every time i open it.

sorry guys but you can make all the excuses the fact is, winmo is SLOOOW and buggy.

i didnt pay 600 dollars for a phone that i constantly have to "maintain"

its like buying a 70,000$ mercedes and spending your whole evening trying to work out all the bugs and engine codes instead of driving it... yes the phone is great, lots of potential but what good does it do if it doesnt perform the functions it supposed to?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
Why are you still here?

And it isn't Windows Mobile that is slow, it is the crap processor HTC has been using for the past 3 years and has just now finally started using a decent one with the HD2.

Though I do agree it has more bugs than any of its competitors.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Well said!

I couldn´t be more agree!!

Rhodium is a great device.

I decided to wait till all 1ghz processor bugs are fixed, then hope a Touch Pro 3 arrives and will upgrade!

But sure this won´t happen till 2011/2012

Meantime I´m enjoying my Rhodium a lot:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
I certainly agree that the proc is a bit outdated, but not quite that much...the first HTC handset with the Qualcomm 528Mhz chip was the Diamond, released in June '08.

But I have to say, I think the TP2 is a shining example of how much usability can be milked out of even processors that aren't much more than 50% of the speed of what's currently available. I know we're all having secret dreams about a qwerty-slider "TP3/HD3/Nexus2", but until such a beast is announced, you can pry my beloved Rhodium from my cold dead fingers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] elvisr77:
I totally agree. You have said a mouth full. I am what you call a begginner. I've had an Excalibur,ATT Fuze and now a Tilt 2. I've modded every single phone more than twice and I knew nothing when I first started. Thanks to Xda-developers. I love my Tilt 2. I wouldn't trated for anything else until something new comes out with a keyboard. :D

Blackberrys are so borring and Iphones has had its big share of issues. I had the 1st gen and 3G version. Modded that too but nothing comes close to my Tilt 2. Best part of my Tilt 2 is the tilt feature. Set it down and enjoy a movie.

Up to now I have not seen a cell phone with out an issue. Thats why there are people like Xda that come to the rescue. You may see your self in a crackbeery site in need of help.

My point is move on and theres no need for sorrow or goodbyes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blowy666:
....I´m reading here of slowlyness, hat the phone freezes, and so on....

I have my TP2 now for 3 month....it is my first winmob device.

Have flashed a german custom ROM, and made some tweaks....have installed a lot of apps...

BUT: I think, the phone isnt THAT slow....also my phone doesnt freeze very often.

And, by the way: SMS works very well....!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] akademik_acheeba:
sad to see you went to the darkside lol. i was once tempted by crackberry but i got hooked on windows mobile and the depth of tweaking every lil aspect of it. i consider my touch pro 2 a hobby more than a phone. yeah i use it regularly but i spend most of my time modding it. some people wonder what i do on my 1 1/2 hour train commute home from work when im switching out so many micro sd cards preloaded with roms, cabs, exes whatever lol (i have 17 micro sd's:D). my ratio would be your accuratly portrayed 80/20 lol. :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jasbur:
I love the form factor and the screen size of the phone but honestly I would like to know how you get it to not freeze up when using SMS... I have tried so many different roms and still need to reboot repeatedly after a few days... I even began looking into other phones because it drives me nuts.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blowy666:
As I said, its a german ROM....but here is the link:

http://www.pocketpc.ch/touch-pro-2-rom-upgrade/67917-rom-eps-tpx-2-1-a.html

I´m using it togeher with Mobile Shell 3.5.1, and have no problems...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blowy666:
17 micro sd cards?

Wow....how do you label all those tiny things...? ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Big Dawg 23:
I am doing the opposite of you. I have a BB Tour on VZW and will be going to T-Mo and TP2. Customizing the ROM will resolve the speed issues IMHO. BB are not any faster in my views and use(Storm, Curve and Tour). I do not like the limitations of the BB. My two complaints on BB are first, server dependence for all your emails. If the RIM servers go down say good-bye to Emails. Isn't that why people buy these phones? Second is the loooonnnggg boot up. If you have an issue with a phone lock which happens as much as WM you get to sit back and wait a cool 8-12 minutes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mech_supernova:
yea, the laggy SMS is the only thing thats killing me about this phone right now, I think its something to do with Microsoft my phone or Windows mobile 6.5 because my kaiser is doing it too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChrisFB:
This is something like my fifth windows mobile phone. I'm using an AT&T stock rom, I think the only thing I did was hit the registry to have Opera show in the task manager and use the Fuze cab to enable tethering (works perfectly). It runs decently, never frozen, I reboot it every few days if I feel like it. It does everything I need: exchange server, tethering when needed, TomTom (okay TomTom themselves made this a pain in the butt but 100% now), and some browsing. Pretty much perfect and I spent maybe 4-5 hours including all program installs and tweaks - TomTom unnecessarily wasting at least 2-3 of those.

I think if you are someone that needs a device for primarily business use and isn't into hobby tweaking - spending 2 weeks on XDA and tweaking the hell out of it without a lot of experience is probably a poor way to spend your time. I went through that stage, had fun and find tremendous value here but I largely pick and choose only those things that matter to me. My phone already has 6.5 so down the road when there's a rock stable build of new ROM that has been troubleshot to death and offers me a ton of new fun and functionality - I'll go that route and spend another 3-4 hours tweaking/playing. After that another year will be the life of the phone for me and I'll get huge value out of it because nothing else comes close to giving me all that this device does.

It's about identifying what you need and balancing your time as the most efficient way to get it. A business user who "just wants something that works" is a poor candidate for flashing and tweaking all the latest Rom releases here. If someone like that finds sufficient utility in another Rom and needs to flash, find something that is rock stable, set up your phone and be done with it. If you want to tweak, customize, and try new stuff...this is THE PLACE.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pnp.sgn:
For me, from BB 9700 to HTC TP2

Hi all,

I was doing the opposite (in Vietnam). I first bought BB Bold 9700, and used just one day (and lost around USD65 for getting back the remaining money) as I could not use e-mail service in Vietnam with BB Rom software.

Then, I thought of WM phone which has qwerty kboard as a must, and HTC TP2 is the current best option for me (from the other shop).

As I used to use HP Pocket PC with WM already (in 2002), O2 (from 2003), then Zinc (from 2007). This year I tried Nokia N97 for 7 months testing Symbian for a change, but disappointed with the processing prog. Say, so many headhead steps for just cutting/ pasting, etc.

Now I am happy with the TP2 using e-mail frequently with the kboard, upgraded to WM 6.5, and enjoy moding the phone to personalise it with your own style.

The important thing is WM is so familiar that it is hard for me to change at the moment, I say again just at the moment.

Thank you for reading my shares.

Cheers,

truonghongphuc, Vietnam
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] agrickard:
What is the specific problem with SMS? I don't seem to have a problem running stock 6.5 WWE ROM (and haven't used 'My Phone' yet).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
Everybody needs what they need. I write not to refute what you need (more power to ya and good luck), just to note your results are not typical.

I use my TP2 one-handed in book form all the time. Open the keyboard, tilt, revert to portrait, and my thumb falls right on the arrow keys. It's more comfortable than using a typical dpad setup ever was.

I had a lot of resets when I first experimenting with new software, lots of installs and uninstalls. It's only froze on my 3 or 4 times since November, and then it was typically for a reason.

Also, I'm fortunate enough to have a headphone jack. Feel bad for you guys who got gypped (whoa -- I just realized where that word comes from, I'm not sure I've ever written it before) though.

There's no doubt I spent more time getting my TP2 setup in the first place than I would have if I'd bought something more controlled and less capable. But now that that's done, I spend very, very little time on maintenance (tweaking, modding and fixing), while I spend a great deal of time using it. Let's call it a 2/98 split (man, your blackberry is demanding). To boot, most of my maintenance is specific program related, not winmo related.

I don't doubt that people who try every ROM in existence blow a lot of time playing with setup, but I assume they get some measure of enjoyment out of the process, so more power to them.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] danny_extremex:
Well some people spend a lot of time fishing, some golf and some spend time cooking in the kitchen. Your argument is like go buy fish at the store, carry the ball to the hole and drop it, and go to a restaurant and eat. We all have something we want to spend time doing. And we here at XDA love our phones. Nothing can beat a WinMo phone as far as functionality goes. And btw, IMO I hate the BB rendering of webpages, where each page is processed by the servers before it loads; kinda spoils the whole thing and it reminds me of the good ol days of WAP internet of phones when loading a page is phone specific and all you get is a few lines of text and a couple of pictures on the screen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imeraz:
Interesting analogy but it's wrong. It's more like this: here's a broken fishing pole, go catch a fish...if u rig the pole it might work or if u replace the main components of the pole it might work...or playing golf with broken golf clubs..u can still hit the ball and get it in the hole but you're gonna have to do a lot with your swing...or it's like u have a great kitchen with this awesome stove, but sometimes the flames light and sometimes they don't and sometimees burn at the right temp and sometimes not.

I've had winmo for a few years and I like it...or the concept at least...the problem is that it's slow, full of bugs that prevent u from doing simple things like sms (without lag or freezing). Everybody talks about "tweaking". that wll only go so far in making something work for u. But when the core code is poorly designed and poorly written, no amount of "tweaking" is going to fix it. Unless u have access to that code, there's nothing u can do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alabij:
I love my TP2 or Windows Mobile in general. Have used every OS since PPC 2000. One thing that we can all agree on is that we all get different experiences with this OS. Its no different from a desktop OS. The type and amount of programs you install will determine your experience. However, out of the box the desktop OS and WinMo for that matter work great.

SMS and email work great on my phone. Have over 50 apps installed, most of them from XDA. My phone never freezes. The only reset Ive done was upgrading to TMobile USA 6.5 upgrade.

Windows Mobile is way ahead of its time and history will only judge MS for not marketing it properly. I remember watching videos on my T Mobile XDA with PPC Phone Edition in 2001. I remember Plus Sync and Go. Podcasting before the terminology was termed.

Yes! I love WinMo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
i hate threads where people say they are ditching a phone.

can we make it against the rules?

going on to xda-devs and saying the htc device everyone here has chosen and loves is worse than a little blackberry, youll get pretty much no one on your side. what do you expect.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imeraz:
It's not about the hardware, it's about the OS. The hardware is great. Even better when it runs a stable OS. I'm running android on my tilt2 right now and although it's not fully functional yet, it's still way faster than winmo and it's stable. Google is doing some great things with android. If u haven't tried it u should.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
i actually have android running on both my tp and tp2. its great enough on the touch pro to keep as its main os. i cant wait to see it get there for the touch pro 2. its hard to complain that a windows mobile device isnt good because of the software cause you can always make it better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] intruda119:
well i think the title should read "bye bye hard reset hello battery pull/leaked os's" windows mobile has its problems just like every os. blackberries have memory leak/battery pulls, android has force closes, apple has its own problems. there is no perfect phone, and never will be. youll be adding apps for days trying to manipulate windows mobile.

my favorite phone(s) was the original curve and bold 9000. and besides battery pulls, browser and checking memory constantly, nothing beat those devices on a day to day usage. but i was bored out of my mine, and the only fun was trying out leaked os's everyday. and playing that game that comes installed like spb arkball.

i personally think blackberries and iphones are for very simple people like my mom. there very consumer friendly, ready for use out of the box until you start installing apps. like i tell most people who switch phones , youll be back before you know it.

sorry for gramar errors using new keyboard swype and its nice.