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[Off-topic] terrytpot:
My twopenneth

I've extracted from your post the most pertinent parts,at least as far as I'm concerned,and whilst I'm generally sympathetic to your viewpoint I'm not convinced tomtom's decision to cease offering support for Navigator in the form of updates has anything to do with whether winmo has a future or not. Unfortunately I can't actually find corroborating articles at the moment but I recall reading that tomtom had no plans for releasing any updates to Navigator 7 (in fact up until very recently they didn't even have TTN7 for sale at all on their website,just links to distributors) and were "walking away" from the platform as it was so easy for their product to be pirated and the rewards from legitimate sales were outweighed by the cost of development and sales lost through piracy. If you also take into account their widely publicised dispute and legal wrangle, with suits and counter suits against m$,are they really going to want to release an updated product that reinforces winmo's desirability as a possible avenue for not just punters but also platform distributors?

Much of tomtoms recent energy has been diverted toward their own hardware and the iphone (both of which are also susceptible to pirated versions) , neither of which contribute anything to the coffers of Microsoft! If you also think of how popular android or apple are/becoming its not surprising that their efforts will be directed to-wards the platforms that can generate the highest potential sales for them...

As for whether winmo is dying , surely it's a bit early to form a valid opinion on that until 7 shows up...when the cat's out of the bag who knows what'll happen...the hardware already exists and if the software performs on it as we all hope and expect it to, then maybe winmo7 can rule the roost :D

As for myself,if winmo7 fails to deliver,it's still not going to be the end of the world (as widely reported by some ;)) as I'm quite content with what my HD2 achieves now and I'm still only scratching the surface of what's possible...suffice to say I have got tomtom 7 and GarminXT working and can easily make the maps the op desired , work on mine and there's nothing stopping me upgrading at the end of the year to a different platform if I want to.

If the op is so concerned about "non-transferable" licenses, perhaps he should also be a bit more choosy when picking software and not just when he's deciding which phone to buy....

:)
[Off-topic] donnaw:
I understand what you are saying. The OP has had a significant outlay ($800 + $100). But in the tech world there is never any sort of certainty that the manufacturer or any 3rd-party providers will be there tomorrow. Such is life. But you know, we are talking about a phone - not something really long term like a CAR. If the OP did his research and the phone meets his need today then he has nothing to complain about. If he bought it because he expected it to meet his needs TOMORROW then sadly he may be disappointed. Worrying about whether he will get OS upgrades over the life of the phone is unrealistic.

I highly doubt MS will pull the plug anytime soon. Third-party vendors - well you take your chances. But I doubt the OP would be comfortable with anyone's opinion on this other than Bill Gates (or perhaps the "analyst" he seems to believe off Wikipedia).

If WM goes away tomorrow our phones will still work throughout the expected life cycle of the phone (2 years or so). Then we all move on to another platform. No big deal - but who is to say which (if any of the current) platform will be supported tomorrow.

Perhaps I am much older than most of you here but using so much energy on worrying about whether it may or may not happen is not only wasteful it is unhealthy. I forget how that old saying goes - something about changing the things I can, living with the things I can't change and the knowledge to recognize the difference.
[Off-topic] omneity:
Whatever. :rolleyes:
[Off-topic] Archer:
Pharao, please let this thread die. It's obviously what everyone else wanted and you're not contributing anything new to it.

Thank you.
[Off-topic] pharao:
It is obvious what you want. To squash any opinion you don't like by starting a flame war over it.

If you don't like this thread, then why don't you just stay the heck out of it?!

I am getting increasingly irritated at the fact that this supposedly "civil" XDA site only seems to have room for one point of view:

Uncritically pro Windows Mobile and fanatically pro HTC.

Well, it might churn you innerts, but HTC itself has already started on the pathway of transitioning to Android.

Before this year is over, their Andoid sales will start to humble their WinMo division and then the rest will be sheer numbers.

Now you go and "die" over that one Mr. Ape.
[Off-topic] pharao:
One more perl before the flames ...

I finally (after weeks of "try & error") figured out how to regain my GPS functionality.

I knew that it was either a registry setting or a piece of software blocking it, ever since I got a clear cut GPS reception after performing a "Hard Reset".

But even uninstalling every piece of GPS Software I had, did not fix the problem.

Now simply restarting from scratch (Hard Reset -> No Restore but piece by piece re-install of every Program & Setting I had), would have taken me another couple of weeks to finally narrow down "who'don'it" (I also still have a day job to worry about).

So this is the way I finally figured out how2do it:

0) Full backup of all my PIM Data via PIM Backup. A free standalone tool that doesn't require installation and stores all PIM data as CSV in a plain zip archive.

1) Full backup via Sprite Backup for a full backup of my current configuration. Besides a self-executable Restore, it also offers a "Merge" Function during the restore, in essence allowing you to combine your old system/registry settings with the new ones (actually ment or system migrations).

2) Hard Reset and testing that my GPS works again. Holux offers the MiniGPS & GPS View PPC executables for free on their website.

They don't require any installation and GPS View found my HD2 GPS immediately.

3) Full backup of this "virgin" box via Sprite Backup (I'll explain later on why this is the actual trick here).

4) Full restore of my first backup with "Merge Level 1" (= Full Restore of all Settings).

5) Tested that GPS had stopped working again.

6) Full restore of of my Virgin Box backup with "Merge Level 1".

Whatever internal setting or changed file was causing my GPS to malfunction, this step would surely straighten that flaw out.

7) My Wallpaper Settings, my PIM data and most of the "cosmetic" settings where gone. But all my programs were still there, their registry values OK and most importantly my GPS was working again.

8) Restore of my PIM data with PIM Backup and reboot. GPS still working.

I have read many hints and clues about how to fix the "GPS stopped working" issue by removing this piece of software or installing that specific driver.

None of them worked and most only made a bad situation worse. To clean up the optical mess I got with my above procedure will "only" take me half an afternoon.

That is not to steep a price to pay to get my GPS back working again, but the impossibility to properly debug this error and/or the fact that it could happen that easily to begin with, is for me yet another stone in the mounting wall of arguments against WinMo.
[Off-topic] freyberry:
There's room for lots of opinions. But there's certainly no room for trolls and their whining threads.

And by the way: HTC abandoning WM is bullcrap. It's 50/50. And other than you, I actually own a non-HTC Android phone (and have owned several iPhones). Would I spend thousands of bucks on iPhones and Android phones, if I was "uncritically pro Windows Mobile and fanatically pro HTC"?

Think about it. Cause maybe YOU are the one who's not able to think clearly enough.

Even people who tried to help (despite the offensive way you started those threads) were insulted by you. And clearly, it's you who's not able to accept any different opinions, as can be seen from the first pages, where you tried to choke any discussion by offending anyone who mentioned anything positive about WM or anything against your (partly nonsensical, ill-informed) arguments.

Nobody on xda-devs will not accept a good discussion. But a good discussion cannot be lead with a troll and certainly cannot be started the way you started this thread, by insulting everyone, from HTC, via Microsoft and even the people trying to help.

If you want a civilised discussion, then you should adjust your behavior accordingly. Stop acting like a troll, then nobody on xda-devs will not respect your opinion.
[Off-topic] Archer:
I suggested letting this thread die because the last time someone posted was 28th January 2010, 06:33 PM.

You obviously wanted to bring it back to life with your rantings and have now seriously offended me by telling me to "go and die".

That's not just something that could get you in trouble with forum mods - it's something that could get you in trouble in real life.

I've reported that last post to the mods and I'll let them decide how to deal with your ridiculously offensive nature.
[Off-topic] wacky.banana:
Chaps,

Sadly this thread has got out of hand despite my previous warning. There are lessons to be learnt for all here, on the one hand presenting a point of view in a non- aggressive manner, on the other being big enough to accept a point of view that may not sit well with yours.

None of you should take any pride in the way this thread has panned out. Conduct on here has not been in line with the rules on XDA nor in line with fair play.

This thread is to be moved to off-topic under close moderation. Please do not get yourselves into the position where you have to be contacted directly for breaking the rules.

WB
[Off-topic] ZoneBlaze:
:D

Haha, literally since the Android OS has been ported and so has Blackberry.. May not be stable or complete, but it is there and the apps all work inside 'em :p

edit:From what I just read(Yes, I read all 8 pages just now @_@) I believe Gregormax answered his question quite politely... Pharao is quite rude(resorting to offensive(to some) retorts... The future of WinMo is uncertain... All the senior members should calm down a bit and learn to tolerate a bit more...
[Off-topic] pegun:
I don't understand why Windows Mobile is the problem here. The new development of operating systems such as Android goes to show that there is the upcoming need for alternatives to be developed for smart phones that are becoming more and more popular. The technology is rarely the problem when a community for the hardware exists.
[Off-topic] pharao:
The only thing ridiculous here is someone who runs around telling other people about "let live & let die", like the most ordinary of school yard bullies and then runs to the mdos squealing if the other guy doesn't just cower down in intimidation.

You seem to have a damn hard time accepting oppinions you just don't like.

But just like your iconic idol, you just can't leave it alone either.

Must be a simian thing...

And by the way, I wrote multiple times over that I still have a day job to worry about - and when I work there are tens of millions of $ at stake and I most certainly got no spare time left "ranting" as you call it about an $800 purchasing error of mine.
[Off-topic] pharao:
I finally figured out most issues (but by far not all), that stopped using me from using my HD2 productively.

I still can not use the WiFi Router on non-Windows machines, as the encryption mechanism seems to work only with the Windows IP stack.

So I'm using WMWiFiRouter w/o encryption, which is most certainly an "optimal solution".

The HD2 Camera is utterly useless in night mode and makes decent pictures during the day only if the sun shines just at the right angle.

I find myself having to frequently reboot this brick, as some background process eats up all the CPU cycles all of a sudden.

Had to purchase SystemMonitor Pro to drill this one down.

I could go on like this but the direction here is clear.

I paid US$800 for my HD2, and even so now they can be had for as little as $700, I am still miffed that it took me 3+ weeks just to figure out that finger breaking keyboard or how to get the GPS back to working.

WinMo's touchscreen abilities are abysmal at best and I will never be able to appreciate why Microsoft can not get more application providers to update their GUIs to be finger friendly in the first place.

When Apple tells their software vendors to switch tack, they parade or are cut off from license deals and SDK software.

I went on spending another $250 on utilities & tools, mostly because I am bz like hell with my day job and simply can not afford another 3+ weeks trying to start from scratch with yet another phone.

Because even if an Android or iPhone should be far easier to customize and configure, I still would need to buy that other phone first, and then migrate my data over there and purchase 100+1 new apps to use them.

So for now I am committed to this platform, but my "surrender" to practicality does not mean that I forget the obvious shortcomings of the platform I'm running on here or that I have to join the "be like us WinMo Zealots" crowd.

Windows Mobile is a dying breed and unless Microsoft manages to surprises the heck out of all its critics with WM7 (which I highly, highly doubt), then this will also have been my last Windows Mobile phone.

US$1000+ is costly enough for one mistake. No need to repeat it.
[Off-topic] pharao:
I just quoted his bull crap to document the name calling low levels being flown here on this web site.

I feel no need to actually reply to any of his vulgar nonsense ...
[Off-topic] pharao:
C'mon, it is obvious by now that certain differing points of view are just deemed intolerable on XDA.

Just stating the obvious fact that Windows Mobile is not the latest & greatest in operating system wisdom for mobile devices is deemed an act of High Treason by those who confuse their cell phone with the love of their life.

I can most certainly understand why so many XDA developers are proud of all the 1000+1 tricks they came up with to make WinMo go where its supposed to go.

But did you ever consider the poor user who has to apply all those 1000+1 tricks & registry changes, all while trying not to brick his device *and* keep his day job at the same time?!

I'm not talking a $5 phone from WalMart here, but an $800 device.

A phone that costs more than many laptops and most certainly many a Desktop can be had for that price.

How many Laptop and PC users would tolerate the need for that much tweaking of their computer, just to get the most vulgar of tasks accomplished - like typing a letter or browsing a web site?!

Not many, I can tell you - that is the reason why OS/2 died a painful death.

And the hysteric reactions to the obvious reality of WinMo's steady decline in market share I got from many in here is utterly ludicrous.

To make statements like "they will never abandon it...", wrapped in the most hostile of verbal attacks, reminds me all to well of OS/2, Amiga, PalmOS and so on.

And we all know where those ended up...

Neither Microsoft nor HTC are in this for romantic reasons or bragging rights.

They don't care about you, me, XDA-Developer or any of the many "WinMo will never die" bullies that keep showing up in this thread.

They care about one thing and one thing alone - MARKET SHARE + PROFITS!

And no CEO, most certainly no Bill Gates, will keep pouring Billions of development dollars into a platform that manages only to grab less and less market share with each quarter.

Some people are happy that HTC now has brought out a Stylus for the HD2.

But I only see this as yet another sign that way to many customers are unhappy with the TouchScreen performance of their HD2 and that its showing up in sales and customer complaints figures.

The HD2 is not just HTC's reply to the iPhone, its also the last & best hope for the survival of the Windows Mobile platform.

As the HD2 goes, so goes WinMo - with 80% market share for all WM phones sold, HTC more or less decides the fate of the whole platform.

And if their flagship falters while sailing on WM, then no amount of *****ing "they will never..." on some remote web site is going to stop the bean counters at HTC HQ to draw the inevitable conclusions.

And you can bet your cell phone balance on that one!
[Off-topic] wacky.banana:
This thread seems to have run its course and will now be closed.

WB
[Off-topic] MikeChannon:
Have you ever thought it might be you?

@Pharao

Avoid making valid points whilst firing poisoned arrows at us!!

In many of your posts there is a curious mix of reasoned argument barbed with stabs at us, the Community here at XDA. It's a lethal cocktail and it's an approach that just doesn't work.

I don't want to step into the "debate" about the pluses and minuses of hTC, M$, WM etc., because actually all of us here will admit there are failings as well as rather more successes than you might acknowledge.

That is, we would admit that some, maybe all of your points have at least some truth in them if we didn't feel that we are being lectured to, dismissed for our enthusiasm and generally dis-respected.

Individually and collectively we know what we are speaking about, we know better than anyone, the good and the bad and we are intelligent enough to decide how to balance these things and decide whether we stick with hTC and WM or not.

You must realise that by taking the tone that you do, including "put-downs", provocative and subjective language and mixing emotive opinion with messages of gloom and doom, you are CERTAIN to provoke a defensive reaction from members here. Do you expect anything other than negative reactions when you express the views that you have in the way that you have.

Many of your points, if they had been expressed as a member of this XDA Community, as one of us, or at least as someone who respects the rest of us, could well have been met with a very different reaction. As it is you are alienating people not persuading them of your arguments.

This thread was discussed by the MODs here and collectively we knew it could provoke flaming; BUT we decided it would not be closed or trashed. (Unless it could not be controlled and stay within our rules)

We CAN allow (even benefit from) different points of view and you along with anyone else must be free to express them. However, when I read what you say, just as I am agreeing with a point you make, you then drop in some provocative emotion provoking statement and I end up annoyed rather than persuaded.

Please avoid the approach of coming onto the soccer field and shouting about how ridiculous the game of soccer is compared with some other ball game. By all means, at an appropriate moment, feel free to debate the benefits of your favoured game and the ways in which soccer could be improved - don't belittle the beliefs and enthusiasms of members here, we know more than you may think. If you really want to make a difference and to have some influence on future developments then you'd be better not to do it on an enthusiasts site UNLESS you want to galvanize the members into collective action. You won't achieve that by alienating us.

Mike

I see Wacky has closed this thread while I was writing - and who can blame him!!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] islarof:
Hi

Iv looked everywhere for a simple cab to install the stock HTC Keyboard the Touch HD2 to my Touch HD.

Can someone point me in the right direction? Iv searched around and i cant find a simple cab to port it to the Touch HD.

Would be very grateful!

Thanks
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] andes83:
+1 on this I would also like to try the HD2 keyboard on HD I'm surprised that there is no cab anywhere.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] LeTo08:
Have you a screen of this keyboard?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] islarof:
I cant seem to post images but the keyboards are the oem ones.

Im looking for a cab to port the touch hd2 keyboard to my touch HD

Thanks :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Kaherdin:
Me too

+1

I want the HD2 Keyboard Swedish keyboard for my hTC Touch HD Blackstone!

...please.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Pete917:
what are the advantages of the hd2 keyboard over the HD one?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] brainmaster:
Have you tried my latest EzInput? - its from the latest LEO stock ROM.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ajhvdb:
I've seen the links to microsoft explaining the certification. I'm a n00b at this and somehow it doesn't sink in. Could someone provide a link to a more simple explanation?

I've downloaded some open source projects. I can compile them and install the cab to my PDA. All is working. If i understand correctly is a application wants to do something more extensive on your PDA it needs a certification?

But no, you can also use a test certification?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Chainfire:
A signed application can indeed perform functions and make certain calls that are 'proteced' and cannot be done on a large part of these devices without being signed.

However, you can sign your files and CAB with your own certificate, and let the CAB install the certificate to enable all protected calls for this application. This will however only work on phones that are not fully locked down. In other words, this works on most phones, but some phones (mostly non-touchscreen, but not only) will reject the installation completely.

Chances are if you are developing/testing you are using a device on which this is easily possible. Google'ing for "wince sdkcerts" will possibly give you details on how-to.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ramdroid77:
do we have something like a general XDA-Developers certificate?
[Touch2 General] Pash0k:
Hi! I want to add town in list-weather. But i can`t find file locate 2330fc3c_manila. Where is locate 2330fc3c_manila. This file contained of towns list. Thanks.
[Touch2 General] combat goofwing:
its in windows if you search weather app in the touch pro 2 forum you will find how to add any city, the file doesnt contain the towns list it will however when modified allow you install the weather database editor to addd your town
[Touch2 General] combat goofwing:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=523698

all the info you need
[Touch2 General] mirost1:
I have new HTC Touch2 MEGA, when i go to Weather and try to find my town after typing Bulgaria, it doesnt find it. I went to accuweather site and took the code for it, but dont see where to put the code.

Before i had an HTc Touch 3g with cooked ROM, where there was an option Manual Code Input or something, but here on Touch 2 i dont know how to put the code. Help me please.
[Touch2 General] Pash0k:
In 1 post I said - i can not find file 2330fc3c_manila in folder windows!

I used Resco Explorer and TC.

Also, I was searching through all folders.

Maybe file has a different name??

My device HTC Touch2.

THNKS
[Touch2 General] Pash0k:
I found this file - HH_0419_WeatherCities.xml . It contained list of towns. BUT, if you uptdate weather it show "no data"("данные недоступны" (RUS))
[Touch2 General] mirost1:
I tried a few programs called Weather Database Editor, i can open them, and can change cities, but after i go to Weather tab - no changes at all :(
[Touch2 General] combat goofwing:
once you add cities do a soft reset for them to appear
[Touch2 General] mirost1:
I dont remember well but i think i did. I think the problem is that whatever program you use, until the weather file is read only you can not make any changes, but i dont know where is this file with the list of cities so i can uncheck Read Only and make changes, what is its name in Mega?
[Touch2 General] mirost1:
So, i found the file, removed "read only", put my sity in, and when i go to Update Now it says it can not update for selected city :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] lrbpereira:
I tried a bounch of cab´s, that i normally use to get the 20 shortcuts on the manila home screen, but they don´t work when i activate de new landscape mode on the latest manila.

Anyone figured it out?

Thanks