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[G1 General] halfsight:
I was thinking about this on the way home from my ****ty tech job. I agree with the idea of banding together some community devs to develop a better 2.1. Maybe this thread should be called, Organizing the community or some **** like 2.1 XDA dev project. But how about taking it a bit further and for basic flashing issues and the common issues, some of us that are good at flashing could work together to support the ones that just don't get it. I have flashed upwards of 25 - 30 myTouch'& dreams, and have just don my first moto froid and am looking into flashing the samsung behold to. In my run I have only bricked 2 phones. Not a bad run, and now I know exactly what I did wrong. So maybe some of us can start a support group, like monitor the help threads or stuff so the devs can take the time to dev and not get frustrated with the people that just don't get it.

Also, if we could organize some sort of mini committee, a dev group, and a beta tester group it would be solid. I would personally throw $50 into a dev pool just to be a beta tester and know that there is a solid, sponsored dev team making my life better, I am getting an N1 but my G1 will be on standby.

Hope I have added well
[G1 General] nephron:
NCommander got the camera to work in eclair. No video but hey, some is WAY better than nothing!
[G1 General] acejoker25000:
i agree with u!! that would help a lot of the newbies and less tech savvy!! its not really difficult to learn but if its dumbed down for people then anyone should be able to flash roms, partition, etc..... but a lot of peoples problems is their utter lack of the use of the search button!! that is why many people get angry and ill on here!! if your new then u should automatically search because its guarenteed someone else has had the same problem as u so theres no need to post unless all other options have been used up!!

also there really should be a cooperative beta team/dev team! it would help the devs buy the beta testers at least having knowledge of the android platform and being able to give decent feedback such as logs and current specs of phone: swap size, compache, overclocked, wipe, full wipe, spl...... u get the point!!

if devs dont really wanna work together for some reason or another then there can be a designated group of beta testers per dev!! either way it would help out a lot because it would give a lot of feed back to the devs on how their roms work with a variety of different specs and so-forth!!
[G1 General] shadowline:
Holy crap i can read it now. :D

I honestly and totally agree. There are android and WM developers that do not think of the greater good, and just of themselves. Competition is good but in moderation here, and in a friendly way. This forum works better when we work together and not every man for himself.
[G1 General] Karmazara:
With all due respect to all of the above responses, I personally dont think anyone who cant make custom ROMs on their own should be saying **** other then Thanks to the ones who can.

To me, the original poster's rant sounded like entitlement wrapped around an overly simplified pretense. -If all the smart ppl would just shut up and team up, I can get what I want.-

How is the current layout so complicated ? If you want a Hero rom, there's a few to choose from. Donut, eclair diff versions. Theres not that many. Your making it sound like there are hundreds to sift thru.

Root, dont root. Try someones rom or not. It's our choice. And it's a choice made possible by a very small group of ppl who I dont think for a second deserve to get chewed out for their perceived lack of cohesiveness.

Rants like this start getting more common and one day we're gonna hit our xda link and find these guys have reverted the site back to what I would guess it originally was, a place for Devs only. Bring some code or get the **** out.

Use the search button, do some reading, buy em a beer when ya can and be a little thankful that once every few weeks, we can make a device we've been using for well over a year seem like something new again cause the guys who CAN write this stuff are cool enough to share.

My 2 cents

p.s. Should'nt this discussion be in the general section anyway ?
[G1 General] quierotacobell:
And we get it all for free : D
[G1 General] walie:
Heh, I remember back when there was the whole google vs cyanogen stuff happening, there was this dude on twitterwho kept telling cyanogen to "FIGHT THA POWER" and "NEVER GIVE UP"...Cyanogen's response? "either contribute with code or stfu" (paraphrased to the best of my memory)
[G1 General] aceo07:
Start a fund to pay the devs' salaries. Get someone to coordinate all the devs' time/efforts. Get teams together to support their efforts. That's the only sure way I see it happening.

To coordinate all their efforts would be a huge undertaking in itself. Try doing it without taking up their time and setup a system that works for everybody.

They all work on their on free time. They have their own way of managing their priorities/bugs. It's FREE work (except for donations) because they love to do it. They love to do it for various reasons and to make it seem like 'work' may take some of their love of out it.

I am grateful for any work that the developers have contributed.
[G1 General] dilaynie:
I have to agree. People have actually started to get angry because of the Nexus One release and a lot of dream/32B devs getting one. "Oh great, now they're just gonna make **** for the nexus and all of us dream/sapphire/magic users are screwed!!".

It's petty and stupid. I personally don't make roms, therefore I'm grateful for anything BUT stock. I've rooted, and I've loaded a custom rom by CHOICE. My decision. Just like me, everyone had the choice. You could have stuck with your "stock" rom, or you could have "rooted" and loaded a "custom rom". NO ONE is in the position to be complaining.

We don't pay for features that are technically NOT supposed to be on our phones yet... That's the beauty of MOD's. Everyone needs to be patient and just wait until it's ready....

I agree, Dev's should COMBINE talents and work on 1 Rom, HOWEVER, People do like their options. NOT EVERYONE want's 2.1, they're perfectly fine with their "super D's" and "Cyanogens".

Let's all get along, and let's all be patient. Especially since we're just ones downloaded what THEY are spending HOURS and THEIR PERSONAL TIME on :)

I love you all, kitties <3
[G1 General] Technochris1:
Sooooo true, Nicely said dude.

This is Open Source.... lets keep it open.
[G1 General] djdarkknight96:
I agree and disagree......This is already happening on XDA...Cyanogen and other dev have been helping each other optimize their roms since DONUT! I would think with work schedules and the greed of free roms that people would get more upset waiting for 2.1 to become stable before cooking roms with bits and pieces added to current stable roms.

The best way is the way it's going....DON'T TRY TO FIX SOMETHING THAT IS NOT BROKEN!!!! We will either get some of the 2.1 or all of it...as long as it works on my phone I could care less...as for Cyanogen or other dev getting the Nexus 1 and leaving us behind, it was going to happen some day anyway.

If the G1 and MT3G came with FLAN (the last of the updates) in the first place then we wouldn't have so much fun playing with our phones and letting these talanted dev give us things like MT and the best dialer out there!

Lets just chill out and have fun with this cause soon there will be a new phone like the N1 comming out, then it will be left in the dust like the G1 and MT3G. Times change and new phones come out!

I will say that Android has been the best experience for me and I will never go back to WM or BB as long as it's around or till something else beats it out...

DJ Darkknight!
[G1 General] daeshawn:
Hey I agree with you on the fact that our devices will soon be "left in the dust" but that's not what I'm talking about. In fact that is not even an issue as it is a well known fact that devices become obsolete very quick in this electronic world.

My issue is that while they do work together on some things, (in their little crews) there is not enough. I am always viewing posts about not wanting to work with another or stealing or not getting credit.

At this point you would think that everyone would at least come together FULLY and make at least one super stable near perfect rom. Yes cyanogen and them have their N1s and obviously must move on, no one can argue that, but the ones that unfortunately cannot afford one should work together.

As for the work schedule part,...that shouldn't even matter. If we have all our devs putting in their skills, then all we should ever hear is "alright guys we got this but just have to wait until so and so gets home to fix such and such". I dont think anyone would have a problem with that except for the all to known "patience/anticipation" issue that we all have with new roms.

Right now all the roms practically have the same ish in em (not dissin' em cause I couldnt even begin to make a rom right now), and all have the same issue "no camera". Ok so HTC has to release drivers (yeah yeah yeah). Some have em already but can't publish em yet. That's cool, but right now there isnt anything special about so and so's rom over so and so's. They all dont have any significant changes.

Now with the 2.1 SDK being released, I sorta see it as a new beginning and the perfect time to come together and get it poppin'. Start fresh with everyone's minds working on it. Damn if that were to really happen, I think right now we'd all have a nice stable fully themed, non FC, beautiful 2.1 (maybe with camera, maybe not) in our devices right now.
[G1 General] jaaronmoody:
hey devs, would you all please stop what you're doing, reorganize your efforts, make nice, and get together and work hard to produce one rom with everything working so i can go on about my life without having to do anything but flash an update.zip and be happy for about 5 min.
[G1 General] dirk1978:
This argument has been raging on in the free software world for years. The simplistic view is that pooling resources is the best idea and larger dev teams get better stuff out quicker. This is true for the most part but it's WAY more complicated than that.

Development efforts have to follow a natural progression. They have to be a bit capitalist. You have to let the natural order run for itself because in the end only the strongest will survive.

In the early stages of a new project you will get competing factions and you will maybe have quite a few people getting into it to try their hand. After a while the natural process is that the better coders and the better organised teams start to pull ahead and attract other talented coders to join their effort. Sure there will always be some people or groups filling a niche or doing it a little different but the natural process will always ultimately end in convergence.

Take the Linux distro world for example, quite fragmented for a while and it was only really when someone took what was already the best distro (Debian) and managed to do the whole package better that it started gaining traction. The more people used it and supported it, the more the community grew and the more people used it and supported it, now Ubuntu is the biggest Linux distro by some margin. The same will happen naturally with dream development efforts, you just have to let people do what they want and don't worry.
[G1 General] evolarius:
IMO, knowing that the devs already contribute to each other and share code back and forth makes it more frustrating that a common bond hasnt been struck yet. i mean, how hard is it to say, "hey, you tackle this, and ill tackle that... then when we get it working, you can tweak it all up... create a single donation fund, that can be shared between the team...
[G1 General] ComplexMinded:
Lol this is like asking for world peace.. It's not gonna happen.. Move on with your life.. For goodness sakes what more can we really ask for.. You aren't paying these guys salaries. If they choose not to work together so be it.. If we have incomplete roms then maybe those who are complaining should make them complete... Good day sirs..

Edit: Not everyone's personality will compliment the next persons.. And some people work better independently..
[G1 General] :
I just wished whoever started the competition for most stupidly named rom would pick a winner already!

:D
[G1 General] Accused187:
That's a hell of a lot harder than you might think. Considering that many development teams usually have meetings, focus groups, managers, etc. it's just not feasible right now. I've tried co-producing projects before with people over the Internet and it's not an easy thing to do because everyone wants control over the project.
[G1 General] Meltus:
I agree with the OP fully, unfortunately though, it's never gonna happen because of one thing: ego. :)
[G1 General] no6969el:
Yes but the ones who make a difference get credit anyway.. for example.. you have been giving away your mods to the devs.. and also selling them on the market place. I bought your app and I love it. Thank you Meltus! I wish this would come true.. I feel if everyone was on the same base image there would be alot less issues and more new features taht actualyl work.
[G1 General] bryon13:
What? Work together to better the scene? CRAZY talk, man!

Once upon a time, there were people who had an entire warehouse dedicated to a computer that had ONE task: math.

Everyone said it couldn't be done!

Once upon a time, there were people who had PERSONAL COMPUTERS! These huge, hulking machines that did two things: math and text.

Everyone said it couldn't be done!

Once upon a time, there were people who had PORTABLE computers! These were sleek, man, and they only weighed 34 pounds!

Everyone said it couldn't be done!

Once upon a time, there were people who had computers that fit into their pockets! Woah! No way! You mean I can even make phone calls on it???

Everyone said it couldn't be done!

Once upon a time, some guys at a software company said they wanted to make an operating system for these "pocket computers" and call it ANDROID. And they would make it FREE!

Everyone said it couldn't be done!

Once upon a time, there were people all working towards a common goal: Make ANDROID better!

Everyone said it couldn't be done! (and lately, it appears that "everyone" was right)

We all want the same thing here: We all want the latest, greatest, super-duper, slendiforous, fantastical, amazing, devastating, out of control, android logo on a gold flag pole!

Some of us even know HOW to get us all there. I personally don't care who's driving the bus, or who made the wheels on the damned thing, I just want the bus to get me there.

I'm reminded of a catch phrase from way back: "Can't we all just get along?"

What happened to COMMUNITY?

I'm thinking all of the rom DEVS out there (not just the repackers) are SUPER BAD ASS! Why not get together, and make this whole thing super-DUPER bad ass?

Then the repackers can demolish it to their hearts content! (not dissing on repackers...you guys know way more about this than I do, and if it weren't for you guys, I wouldn't be running eclair on my MT3G right now)

All I'm saying is, if android development turns into a sandbox argument over who's toys are who's, no one will ever get anywhere. Why are all the eclair roms suffering from the same problems? Why can't the devs band together to solve the common issues? When did OPEN SOURCE become all about giving some dude credit for 3 lines of code? Last time I went to the movies, I didn't care who the camera guy was, or who the key-grip was, or even who wrote the damn thing, so long as the movie was awesome!

Maybe I'm just a guy no one cares about, and maybe I'll get flamed for my thoughts, but this is just my 2-cents.

GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASS, AND REMEMBER WHAT WE'RE ALL STRIVING FOR!!!

you want your own code? GO WRITE A NEW OS FROM SCRATCH!!!! I'LL DOWNLOAD IT!

Until then, STFU, and enjoy being the bad-asses that we all wish we could be!

-b
[G1 General] devilkazuya:
It surely isn't easy but where there is will there is a way. Maybe use subversion or something similar.

I appreciate all the efforts and hard work put by individual devs but i agree that we need to work together to bring a good standard version. Also, the forum is a jungle and who would know that 32B roms are in dream forum? Alot of noob questions are due to this mess.
[G1 General] Dyonas:
It's a nice idea but from my point of view each dev has different ideas of how to go about things as well as varying amounts of time to do it. How would you delegate a group of devs that are used to doing things, mostly, their own way? Would you have, for example, Cyanogen doing kernel work and JAC compiling with other devs doing little bits? Add in that one dev might have a way of doing things that looks wrong to another but still works and it gets messy very fast.

There would have to be a willingness to do it and accept doing what they might consider low priority stuff while others do other bits. It might happen but I can't see it myself. It isn't like working on a game mod where you have programmers, artists, model makers etc because here they're all devs. That's my thoughts on it anyway.
[G1 General] oshizzle1991:
i totally aggree with the OP. on twitter KINGLICK and DRIZZY go after each other like Chuck Liddel and Randy Couture. ****ing grow up both of you. +1 to the original poster.
[G1 General] deeb215:
BUHLEE-DAT!! its nothing to do with all these crappy excuses ppl are making for the devs. im grateful for all the hard work people put into this thing. hope it continues and possibly get better in time. however, the current state is pretty chaotic i must say :rolleyes:
[G1 General] Bavilo:
I agree completely.

I've seen these syndromes on EVERY modding forum I've been to. Back when I used to work on Game server based on Java which was also open source, there used to be these little kids "stealing" and "leaking" others work and calling it their own.

People would go all emo and stop Deving because of nothing.

The EXACT same thing is happening here, and has been happening for the entire period I've been visiting this place.

I've only contributed a little bit with small fixes simply because I do not have the know how for the under the hood stuff.

The point is...This is an open source project, you are not inventing the wheel by taking one Rom and changing a few things. None of this is YOURS, you are not allowed to modify it to make a profit or to gain some kind of E-Penis.

So stop putting out all of these BS Roms that are based off the same damn build with all the same damn issues.
[G1 General] derfolo:
"None of this is YOURS, you are not allowed to modify it to make a profit or to gain some kind of E-Penis."

LOL, thanks for that!!! Are the ROM users the E-Vaginas?
[G1 General] deeb215:
ha i beg to differ!
[G1 General] maxisma:
lol, all devs are already working together, just on different projects.
[G1 General] Bavilo:
Yes... That's the meaning of open source. Or are you taking an open source project and making it private? Because that's what it sounds like.
[G1 General] deeb215:
nooo i support open source 100%..just didn't like being labeled a "vagina" that all
[G1 General] Devin5277:
1. Be thankful for what the Devs DO FOR DONATIONS 1/4 of the time and FOR FREE 3/4 of the time.

2. Be Patient

3. If you want something you always have a choice.. Learn to Make your own phone better, Be thankful what what you have and see #2, or just buy another device it your current one does not fit your needs, or desires.

This is in response to all who think that the devs should get together and get product out the the masses faster, just because people of Tired of 1.6 roms.

Its really a sad attitude to take on the good things that the community does here.

Devin 5277
[G1 General] sitimber:
how many people here are addicted to flashing a new rom every week if they all got together it will be 1 rom every 2 months

and for people who don't use twitter cyanogen helps eugene who helps barak who helps drizzy who helps maxsima who helps kingklixx who steals(sorry had to) who helps manup456 who helps cyrowski who helps eugene so the list goes on as maxisima said earlier they are all doing bit to help each other

problem is when people take say cyanogens rom and modifys it to there liking posts it and the forum gets filled up

my 2p
[G1 General] timmymarsh:
Gents,

I respect the thread and understand the points you are trying to make. I would however appreciate it if you could respect the rules, keep the language down and respect other members when conveying your opinions.

I have also moved this to the general section.

Many thanks.
[G1 General] djdarkknight96:
I get ya!

Here the best answer why It prob won't happen that way!!!
[G1 General] njgheewala:
It would be really nice to see all the Dev come together and get a 2.1 ROM going...after it is stable and working great they can just either use that and do their MOD on it or just make something new on 2.1. At least all of us will have the option to get either a stable 2.1 ROM or have a particular Dev's ROM to play with...
[G1 General] garok89:
good to see this mindless drivel finally got moved

the fact is, the best way to do this isnt for everyone to work on one thing

share and share alike is the best way

the guys who are doing the contacts app, the phone app, loccy with his browser (i know its been a while).....these guys are concentrating on doing one thing each to expand upon the core that guys like cyanogen are putting out

having big coders doing the heavy work on their own and some guys modifying their own little bits for the rom devs to pick and choose from - that is the way to go
[G1 General] pjcforpres:
Seriously, all you guys sitting here arguing they should get together don't understand jack **** about what actually is going on. They all help one another already. Within a couple days of one finding out a fix for something, they all have it and a new release is out, ie look at the eclair camera dealio for a recent example. Why? Because they already talk to one another and work with one another.

Do they share this with everybody on these forums? No! Why? Because there are a lot of really dumb people that think they know what they are doing, and really don't, thus end up making this place a cluster **** with stupid threads (like this one). No offense, kinda, but if you were to take all the working bits from the eclair ROMs and put them together you wouldn't get anything different than we already have now, since they all have the same stuff working, the same stuff broken, the only real difference is what techniques they use to compress the files, and what tweaks they make here and there so the ROM is faster for their OWN personal desires.

This is why you test each one to see which one fits you best, and this is why we all tend to end up with our own favorite chef, because in all likelihood we have very similar usage to that develope, not because that developer is vastly supperior to the rest, it is just the ROM cooked to their own tastes happen to fits your tastes.

Be happy they let us enjoy what they do, and stop trying to tell them they aren't doing it right. They already talk to one another, work with another, and that is that.