yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
That's a real PITA actually (I know, it's madness!).... anyway, you can use the Android Market place to download a free wallpaper manager (I'd recommend the androlib wallpaper tool)... sadly most of these tools only let you choose wallpapers from their online gallery (free), but the galleries are reasonably good.

I'm still working out an easier way to install a 'local' wallpaper!
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
This is the VERY first time i am doing it,

im not sure if im seeing something like fireworks..

i can tell you that i am seeing white text, scrolling through my screen

like it is installing something.. and sometimes it stops with scrolling..

en couple minutes later.. it starts again..

my question: what do i have to do to, before i install this Android package?

i dont have ane knowledge what so ever in flashing my device etcetera?

Do i have to flash my htc in order to install this Android?
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
you HAVE installed this to your SD Card right? no other place. It can ONLY be installed to SD Card

you do not need to flash any ROM.

If you are seeing a message saying "Waiting for SD card" this is a common problem and you probably have in incompatible SD card.
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
Yes, im using a 2gb micro sd card..

This is what i did:

i Downloaded the file from megaupload.

Extracted it, en then copied it to the SD card..

i opened the Haret file en it started installing i think..

the screen im having has a pinguin in the upper left corner..

en the names: Diamond & Raphael.

This is getting a bit weird:confused:
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Dont worry about that logo, it's normal... this Android works on multiple devices....

Clean your SD Card and download from Rapidshare (I'm worried that the megaupload MIGHT be corrupt)
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
oke thanks, i will..

i feel very dumb by asking this question; i dont know what to do at step 4: ( Step 4)

Disable 'flight mode' if you have it enabled (i.e. Make sure the radio is ALLOWED). Android isn't working nicely with this (yet))

so i skipped it.. maybe this is the problem?
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
No don't worry... it's not that.
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
if i read the white text on my screeen, it says:

''failed to find rootfs on youre SD card.. you need to unzip a rootfs file to the root of your sd card''

but when i look into the folder i put on the sd card, i can find the ROOTFS.img file.. so i don't know what the problem is??
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
You need to extract the zip file into the root of the SD Card, do not put it into any subfolders...

the root of your SD card MUST look like this

\AndroidApps

\conf

\media

calibration

haret.exe

initrd.gz

modules-2.6.27-00816-g39f2ebd.tar.gz

rootfs.img

STARTUP.TXT

system.sqsh

zImage
[Touch HD Android Development] jeanfrederic:
are you sure it is safe for you playing this way with your HD tough you even do not know the b.a-ba?

You should read a bit here and there and learn a bit before doing "stupid" things with your HD and asking for dummy things.
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
thankyou very very much ..

i am now getting that fireworks show you promised me haha..

the mistake i made was, i extracted the file on my laptop.. en grabbed te whole extracted file en put it on the Sd Card..

so in fact it was in a Sub folder..

I'll wait till its done en play with it a little bit.. then i will go to sleep cause i need to go to school tomorrow, if i will encounter any bugs.. i will contact you! if you dont mind:P
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
I don't develop this.... it's done by a group of guys busting their gut trying to get it ALL working (much of it works already, but some parts don't).

I try to help by documenting some of how it works and making it easier for average users to try and putting together a little package for folks to download...

but my package is based on the MUCH harder work of others, I only had to zip up a few files and write a few instructions ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] islarof:
New Build?

Hi

Iv downloaded this new build from the original post but now it freezes when i attempt to switch off wifi? Im aware this issue is known but i was not facing this problem using the build posted on the orignal post of the "Android Eclair 2.0.1 On Blackstone Jan 8, 2010" thread.

Any ideas about the difference?

And are the links to the new builds for 'different' builds or are they the same build but just from different file sharing hosts?

Many thanks

:)
[Touch HD Android Development] samsanchez88:
I fyou have problems with freezing when you switch wifi off, try erasing the network you are connected to before turning off wifi, works every time for me!
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
There is only ONE build... lots of mirrors. Same file in each one.

As for the Wifi... the results change virtually every day with so many new kernel updates and modifications. This is out of my control. It's two steps forwards and one step back every time... not only that, the behaviour can SEEM random... simply because the developers haven't yet figured out the causes.

Read the opening post... you can always try the 'latest and greatest' kernel and modules updates... but sometimes, totally new updates might even fail to boot... play with fire, you can get burned! ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
Read the opening post... you can always try the 'latest and greatest' kernel and modules updates... but sometimes, totally new updates might even fail to boot... play with fire, you can get burned! ;-)[/QUOTE]

Yo can always go back to previous kernel and modules if the new one doesent work? No harm done?

Am I right??
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Yo can always go back to previous kernel and modules if the new one doesent work? No harm done?

Am I right??[/QUOTE]

Absolutely... if you can still find them!

You tend to win and lose a little... like the new builds are much faster, but sometimes they introduce new issues... it's a pain. I'd recommend you keep a working system and back it up... then try out the newer builds... once you're happy they are worth upgrading to, then you can ditch your old backup.

I tend to update almost every day, and just as I start to think life is improving, some new issue appears... but generally I'd stick with the newest 'stable' build for you... and you can only discover that with trial and error.

Best of luck.

Incidentally, if you didn't know... many of your 'settings' are held in the data.img file. You can try migrating this file to keep your settings from one build to another, but sometimes, the format of this file gets altered and so it's not always guaranteed to work (but definitely worth a try in 90% of cases). Ideally, it's best to start without out and let Android create a clean setup, but it can get very mind numbing to have to keep setting your device up.

For your PIM data thought, use Google addressbook and Calendar etc, then 'the cloud' will maintain all your stuff and you'll never lose it :-)
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
Absolutely... if you can still find them!

You tend to win and lose a little... like the new builds are much faster, but sometimes they introduce new issues... it's a pain. I'd recommend you keep a working system and back it up... then try out the newer builds... once you're happy they are worth upgrading to, then you can ditch your old backup.

I tend to update almost every day, and just as I start to think life is improving, some new issue appears... but generally I'd stick with the newest 'stable' build for you... and you can only discover that with trial and error.

Best of luck.

Incidentally, if you didn't know... many of your 'settings' are held in the data.img file. You can try migrating this file to keep your settings from one build to another, but sometimes, the format of this file gets altered and so it's not always guaranteed to work (but definitely worth a try in 90% of cases). Ideally, it's best to start without out and let Android create a clean setup, but it can get very mind numbing to have to keep setting your device up.

For your PIM data thought, use Google addressbook and Calendar etc, then 'the cloud' will maintain all your stuff and you'll never lose it :-)[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

I do not delete data.img

Have you ever tried a kernel that always wake up from sleep??

If so, please tell me!!
[Touch HD Android Development] andycted:
how often have you got to soft-reset the phone because the screen won't wake up ?
[Touch HD Android Development] NeO_CooL:
It´s working. :)

had the waiting sd message with my transcend 8bg class 4.

than i saw someone had sucess with a-data 4gb class 6, and i´ve searched and found http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/A-Data-4GB-4G...C_Drives_Storage_Internal?hash=item53df021295.

yep HK, had some doubt´s... but android work´s and it´s faster than the one i had before. legit is the word i think. $17 with p&p. didn´t find cheaper.

super fast also. 5 days from HK to Portugal, postage signed
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
It can go hours and it can freez after 10 min.
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
I see that this build XDANDROID.02.02.10.7z has been modified today (03.02.2010)

Does anyone know the changes??
[Touch HD Android Development] islarof:
Thanks for your help.

Do we know exactly what the new build brings? Because for me the older build works best (with a few changes to startup.txt). With the older build everything works including wifi and androidmarket. The only thing i can see i can see it fixes is the screen to completely off when on standby.

Do you know which file this component would be in? Im thinking il stick to the older build but maybe replace the file that fixes the standby issue from the new build?

I only want to try builds that we're confident doesnt cause too many issue.. dont like the idea of getting burnt;)

Thanks for all your help :)
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Wifi and Market both work in this build, but some folks have Wifi Off problems, and some folks have the age old 'can't wake up' problem. Both of these issues have been around for some time though.

This build is much faster than those of say 2 weeks ago or longer... but don't forget, these builds also work on multiple platforms, so improvements can often be for other platforms than Blackstone... for fixes that you might never have known were needed, so it's just hard to say what the improvements are.

The only release notes are truly highly technical, and have no obvious meaning to end users at all... if they could be translated into something tangible, I'd do it ;-)

For me, the killer is the 'unable to wake up' issue. That's a real nightmare for most of us... you have to trust your phone IS working when it goes to sleep otherwise it's not usuable for day to day stuff.

Worse still, some of the bugs are influenced by Windows Mobile settings (since the WinMO settings 'configure' parts of the phone firmware / power management / radio etc, and can affect how they work once Android is running). The Android guys don't yet know EVERYTHING Windows is doing to the hardware to replicate the same behaviour.
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
I agree, the freeze while in sleep is the biggest problem!

I notice this usually happens when I get a incoming call or sms.

Can it have something to do with RAM or processor being overloadet that leads to the freezing?

I saw that "the glossy build" uses swap. But it seems they have the same problem.

Lets hope it gets solved quick because this is so much better than WM:)
[Touch HD Android Development] islarof:
Its really wierd but for me i dont face any of these issues (including not waking up) with the older build plus switching wifi off doesnt freeze.

So the new build only fixes the standby to completly switch off (the older build just dims the backlight) but freezes switching off wifi. Other than im not sure what other benefits it brings.

Do you know what file in the build controls the stand by issue? Mayb i can just replace that file in my old build.

The new build may well fix issues im not aware of and im not sure how quicker it is (im still testing) but for day to day use, for me, the older build is better.

Thanks for your replies and comitment, il keep looking forward to the improvements :)
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
does anybody have a fix for the sleep freeze?

my hd freezes when i put it to sleep, sometimes it takes a minute and sometimes an hour before it'll freeze.. plz help!
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
does anybody have a fix for the sleep freeze?

my hd freezes when i put it to sleep, sometimes it takes a minute and sometimes an hour before it'll freeze.. plz help!\

edit: sorry for the double post guysss
[Touch HD Android Development] martini333:
re

Ye. I tried to download the original 'XDAndroid 02.02.10' (NOT 'XDAndroid 02.02.10 for BLACKSTONE')

and the lastest auto build from Glemsom, and i use the STARTUP.TXT from \STARTUP CONFIG\BLACKSTONE\

(set ramsize 0x10000000

set ramaddr 0x10000000

set mtype 2030

set KERNEL zImage

set initrd initrd.gz

set cmdline "lcd.density=240 msmts_calib=0x395.0x3c9.0x79.0x77 clock-7x00.a11=500 msmvkeyb_toggle=off pmem.extra=1 gsensor_axis=-2,-1,3"

boot

)

And it works for me.
[Touch HD Android Development] martini333:
but remember that you not have the usb plugged in while loading so the led at top will not turn off!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
This IS the very same build!..... if you THINK it's working fine with any problems... you've not been using it for long enough ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] badrovic:
hey, ive got the same startup file as you, without modifing it.

I will download the audio thing and see if it works, if not..

i'll download the original package also.. Thnx bro!
[Touch HD Android Development] martini333:
re

I'm using it as my daily phone (@android), and do not have any other phones :)
[Touch HD Android Development] hanlence:
How is the new build's batteribility?

any improvement in the battery? since the privious builds are battery drainer.

i got a zimage that not freeze ( at least as lone as i play with it) for one of those previous builds, one full charge lasts barely one day without playing(just standby and recieve calls and SMS). pretty bad compared to a whole week for one charge in Winmo.

any tester can tell me?
[Touch HD Android Development] scanny:
There are some changes in the core of this new build, something like libraries and modules, or is changed only the kernel?
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
Is this just an update of modules and zimage?

Or are there any other updates?

I see that there is no new build at: http://htcandroid.xland.cz/

Oops: I found the answer in first post.

edit: I now see a new build. http://htcandroid.xland.cz/XDANDROID.4.02.10.7z

Anyone know the changes?
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
A new release coming in the next hour... hold tight, it will be on the OP soon
[Touch HD Android Development] Zailynne:
For me it gets stuck and says Failed to find system.img on SD Card.... :S
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Did you extract DIRECTLY to SD Card? ... Haret.exe and system.img MUST be in the root of your installation, if they are not... it won't work.

I've just uploaded a new 'cab' installer version.... if you're using that, then I apologise...it's a new install technique and perhaps there's a bug.

If you used the previous zip archive, then it's almost certainly that you didn't unzip into the root of the SD Card
[Touch HD Android Development] Jut07:
Gps is working and internet too (don't need to config). The only problem is the speed otherwise evertying works great. (in built 4/02/2010)
[Touch HD Android Development] younxta:
With whick program you tested GPS?
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Many apologies.... my mistake... the System.img file is missing... I'm correcting it now!

Thanks for the early notification!
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
If anybody used Google Maps... it's not getting the location via GPS, it's using cell towers / WiFi hotspots
[Touch HD Android Development] s-slawa:
hay there for me the new cab worksfine

the only problem is the deep sleep sometime the phone dont wake up

but realy nice cab!!!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Just making a few mods to the cab, but none that will affect your installation...

Deep sleep is a known issue... sometimes it can work fine for 10 hours, then next time, it never wakes up after 10 mins...

Lots of people are looking into it.
[Touch HD Android Development] Jut07:
Indeed it's with google maps, that is why I can have my position even if I am in my room.
[Touch HD Android Development] WinningDays:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH !

Everything is working GREAT, SMOOTH and rather STABLE (95% of the Time).

I can do EVERYTHING i want except BT and Camera. Nothing freezes or crash, this new build is the STABLEST i've ever tried :)
[Touch HD Android Development] almerchant:
Apps Dont show up!

Am i doing something wrong or missing a step.

Dont wish to do away with my WINMO program files etc

Is there a solution at hand.. I love the interface. I need some apps for me to use it.

Al
[Touch HD Android Development] akil3x:
Hello people I have a card of 256MB, is sufficient ?

But the loading of ANDROID is in 20m this is normal???

Thanks a lot
[Touch HD Android Development] Kenia1234:
Hi guys!!

First of all thank you for all...

But please help me!!! I can't download!!

it says "the file is no longer available" why???

Then...

Which is the difference between your cab and this package :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=622776

thanks in advance for the answer!! :)
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
This doesn't take away windows mobile

I creates a new Android system on your SD Card... and adds ONE link in your Windows Mobile programs called 'Android'.

When you click Android the phone will reboot and start running Android from your SD Card.

Just restart your phone to get back to Windows Mobile. Windows Mobile is TOTALLY untouched.
[Touch HD Android Development] PaKo0o:
Uhmm, Okay. I am kinda new to this (first time I put Android). I followed the steps perfectly - formated card, installed the cab file, even put the Energy super light ROM, stared the android file , 2 times vibrate and everything is okay. Then the black screen with the white text for about 20 - 25 minutes then only a black screen and it stops there.. No Android, no anything. Can somebody tell me what I am doing wrong ? Thank you and sorry if I haven't read something.
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
It should be working... you must have tried while I was in the middle of updating something :0)

I don't know what everybody else is releasing, but most of them are almost identical... with minor mods.

This release is just a very easy release designed to make installation as simple as possible....

It takes the very latest Android port (usually 1 or 2 days old) which is designed for multiple HTC devices, it then configures that specifically for Blackstone, and removes any stuff for other phones (since we don't need that). It is them built into a cab file, to make it VERY easy for users to install.

In addition, it places a nice 'Android' program launcher in your Windows Mobile program files.

It is made because so many users make mistakes installing Android, and the instructions can be difficult for some non English speaking people. Also, some people are just not very technical and miss out on the chance to use Android.

Some advanced users also use this release.... simply because it works! and they know it's going to be a pretty recent build, so saves them time.

Not sure I've answered your question, but it's helped improve my typing!

;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] brodos123:
Hi TheBrilliantMistake.

Do you know if there are any changes in rootfs in this build compared to the rootfs from 02.02.10?

I like to use the rootfs and conf from the "glossy build" because I use partitions.
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
I have no idea.... but there's a chance that the two threads will merge with two releases... the Normal and the Glossy... but there are some things to be worked out first.

To be honest, I'm just pulling together the latest releases, having a quick sanity test on my HD, then repackaging them for easy install... usually a couple of hours turn around time. But I'm not going to do 10 releases a day, just every couple of days, unless there is suddenly a 'mega' update that we ALL need to have ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] Kenia1234:
You clarified each doubt!! :):) I support your work cause I guess it could be really useful especially for non english speaking people and also for us...cause even if it's designed for all HTC devices...and obiouvsly it works also on our Black...it's not properly designed and there're some useless stuffs and some stability problem...and it's nice that some people care about blackstone's users... :)

I finally managed to download that cab and trying to install...

Maybe it's better to format my SD card...

Thanks for the prompt and complete reply...
[Touch HD Android Development] PaKo0o:
Come on.. Some one help please :confused::confused:
[Touch HD Android Development] akil3x:
Hello people I have a card SanDisk of 256MB, is sufficient ?

But the loading of ANDROID is in 20minutes this is normal???

Thanks a lot
[Touch HD Android Development] Jut07:
The first time I boot this package that doesn't work (the phone freeze) not the second time.

So just try again. Don't forget to format your sd card before your put this android built.
[Touch HD Android Development] akil3x:
OK but a card of 256 mb fit too this or is little on space??

And when I format I used what : Fat32???
[Touch HD Android Development] Zailynne:
The link is dead for me too... :/
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
It's just busy... keep trying
[Touch HD Android Development] Rumbi:
I would really like to see the "normal" packages again because i don't need a cab and want to do it myself. and also my StorageCard isn't named StorageCard. ;-) Maybe it's possible to get it back the old way or both ways.
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
The storage card naming problem should be solved now... I will be updating a cab in the next couple of hours.

I might think about the zip file too... downside is, people couldn't unzip properly! (don't ask)... and then there's no shortcut creation (but I might supply a cab for that in the zip file, since it will be tiny).

Leave it with me... it's unlikely to happen tonight though
[Touch HD Android Development] andycted:
Hi, I've tried your exact setup and had the same problem after about 30 minutes (average for me). Still bugged a lot by this problem of the screen off -> no resume because hardware keys are dead (try answering a call).

So either you're blackstone is magical, mine is stupid or there is something else going on
[Touch HD Android Development] TheBrilliantMistake:
Almost every single user knows about (and has experienced) this issue... you're not alone.

A VERY small number claim to have never experienced it.

The conclusion is that it's related to their WinMo / Radio setup and how they have their device setup in that environment OR, they have just been incredibly lucky.

It's the ones not having wake up problems that are the odd ones out ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] mcdull:
How about starting to debug by ourselves?

we can access the terminal of the phone when it is dead.
[Touch HD Android Development] Vin87:
TheBrilliantMistake, thanks for adjusting and sharing this Android 'rom' for our Blackstone.

When I first saw the list of what did not work I was expecting a very laggy Android OS. However it runs pretty smooth actually. I think it runs smoother than most of the WinMo builds! Can't wait for the BT, 3,5mm and GPS to be fixed. Then I'll never use Winmo again :D