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[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
Excellent demo on the keyboard accuracy. Can you tell me if you have this error correction mode on ? Sometime have to do with XT9 or stuffs like that.

I too was struggling like hell to type very simple words and had big problem doing it right, but was told that it was because I did not activate the XT9. Are you also having error because of not being aware of this XT9 business?
[HD2 General] 1750:
At least I'm not the only one experiencing problems.

I've had mine for nearly a week now and have encountered most of the problems detailed in this thread.

I've been on WM for about 8 years and never had so many issues with a phone as I have with this one. I'd be interested in knowing if all the people having these issues are all on T-mobile (as they have not issued an updated ROM) and whether the issue is with the hardware used for the t-mobile phones or if we are just plain unlucky.

I'm very close to sending it back (as I did with an iphone).
[HD2 General] kr00t0n:
I've come from a Touch Pro2, and the call quality is identical.

Obviously typing on a hardware keyboard with tactile feedback is easier, but since installing Swype, and getting used to it over a few weeks, I can type just as fast (if not faster) than I did on my Touch Pro 2.

I'll agree that the standard HTC keyboard is pants, but this is where one of WM's benefits come in to play, the ability to install a host of other things and change it to work they way you want it to.
[HD2 General] matt_attack_2k1:
Im on o2 and im having these problems. The thing thats buggingme though is that im not 100% on how to install these new .cab files or new keyboards, therefore im using what is default on the phone and still getting problems. I appreciate im on a developers forum, but i want to customize my keyboard and change what i want to change because i WANT to, not because i HAVE to...

People are saying they have sent their phones back, but how long did you wait until you did? What was the final straw that made you realise...this may be faulty...

ive taken the battery out around, 4/5 times now in about 2-3 weeks, but I don't want to put my white flag up and send it back because i'm being naive to the fact that my phone is faulty. Wheres the line?
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
Leoni,

If I'm you, I would put up with the problems and hang on to Leo, but come this May or June, upgrade to the new iPhone, which is expected to have better screen resolution, better camera, dual core higher speed processor, revamped user interface, enhanced finger gestures, and multitasking of third party software without jailbreaking. Do not sell your Leo, though. Instead keep it to try out the upcoming WM7, if and when it becomes available. Then you would be in the position to decide if you want to come back to window mobile platform without having to buy a new phone to find out.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
+1 typed on my hd 2 using swype...
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
Many of you are recommending Swype. I took at look at this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRUoWUhcRlE&feature=fvw

I don't see how this could speed up typing. It's like travelling on land instead of flying in the sky to go from one key to another. If I fly there, I at least have a chance to think about the direction of the destination for a split second, whereas if I travel by land, I need to know before I start the journey, and that's not going to be easy. Also, how would travel by land be faster than by air?

If the demo is an indication of the typing speed, then I must say that it is an extremely slow way to type. Can someone upload a youtube demonstrating typing at top speed with this keyboard?
[HD2 General] jakem:
Perhaps you should try it rather than forming an opinion based on a video. I don't use it myself but most users swear by it.
[HD2 General] jakem:
Wow, that should make for a really interesting thread. You and both your friends can all ***** and moan about the same topic without ever making any progress. :rolleyes:

Has it occurred to you that the problems you are experiencing may be caused by you and not the phone?
[HD2 General] columns:
Try Kinoma Play for all your social networking and multimedia :)
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
I did try that about 18 months ago and hated it.

This is what I call fast typing, with my favourite keyboard Tengo. It is the most forgiving keyboard in the world :D

I wonder if it still works on Leo.
[HD2 General] _tangent:
I haven't rebooted my phone in about 2 weeks. Maybe i'm one of the lucky one's eh? I've had several winmo phones before this one, and they too were more or less completely stable.

I don't use the facebook ap - i use touch.facebook which i find a perfectly adequate facebook solution. Just stick a link to this page on your quicklinks instead of the FB ap. What exactly is the problem with that?

WinMo is definitely behind apple and google in terms of ATTRACTIVELY skinned 3rd party aps. Perhaps that's a deal breaker for you. To be frank, until winmo gets a broader mass market appeal, i can't see that changing much; it's not a priority for winmo developers at the moment.

The keyboard is fine for me. In portrait i use the t9 to correct, and it works 99% of the time. In landscape i turn it off for better typing performance. One gripe of mine is that the keyboard does indeed miss characters sometimes, because you outrun it. Actually, it's not so much characters it misses for me, as the space presses. You finish typing a word, hit space, and start typing the next one, and if you've done it too quickly, the space isn't there. Frustrating. On the whole though, going from a HW kb on previous devices, i'm pretty pleased with the onscreen keyboard.

You say you're not a fan boy, but based on your OP, i have a hard time believing that. You're comparing the HD2 to a device which had to be plugged into a windows machine in order to reboot after a power off, which you had to do to it in order to get just a small fraction of the flexibility and functionality the win mo platform offers out of the box. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

The comparison between apple and MS is completely irrelevant. It's easy to make a platform stable when it's entirely proprietary, not so easy when you're allowing every tom **** and harry to write software for it, readily available on the internet for anyone to download. Same in the desktop world. Apple's job is ten times easier than MS'. MS software is valued engineered, just like everyone else's.
[HD2 General] arxx:
It's crap.. but i like it...

A good way to describe my feelings as well with HD2. I've been using several WinMo phones before, and Andorid (HTC Hero) and the iPhone 3G.

What i feel, when HD2 is acting fine for a day or two, i LOVE it. Really. But then, I suddenly get an error when trying to start the camera, trying to send an SMS or whatever.. I just want to throw it away...

One of the reasons, I guess, is because HTC have to make this huge shell (Sense) to make the phone appealing for the masses. And therefore too many things might come in conflict with each other.

While owning the HD2, i must say, I do looking forward to test Sony Ericsson X10. Almost the same spec, still a huge screen (4" screen WVGA) and android.

But time will show what Windows Mobile 7 will bring.
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
Have you considered this?

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_shadow-3092.php

Android on 4.3 inch screen, 8 mp camera, unknown processor, also known as Nexus Two.

I don't like to have a keyboard though.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
Ahh tengo, yea I liked that one, but sadly it doesnt work on a high res screen, , it's all bunched up in the corner, totally unuseable.
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
How sad. It is just about the only keyboard that I like as much as iPhone keyboard.

What about Tengo Thumb? Is that having the same problem too?

Wonder if the resolution problem could be fixed? Has anyone contacted the developer in Singapore about this?
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
for the average guy its faster as you don't have to travel exactly to the key you want to use.

as long as youre somewhere near it will offer the right word, after all, you would have to move your finger there to type that letterer anyway...
[HD2 General] kr00t0n:
It takes some practice, initially you will be slow because you are not used to tracing out the word on a keyboard. Once you get used to it though, you start to fly. It's especially good at longer words, so I guess if you tend to type in 'txt spk', it isn't as useful.

I can swype 'procrastination' in under 2 seconds, half the time it would take to type.
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
If it can be made to work, Tengo is for me the best keyboard ever made for the winmo platform.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=1600367&postcount=35

It would certainly address the keyboard problem in Leo.
[HD2 General] 1750:
What ROM's are people running and what problems have you encountered.

I'm currently on the 1.43 T-mobile ROM and have screen freeze which requires a battery pull to soft reset, sd card disapears (althought this may be a problem with the card) and only reapears with a soft reset, playback on coreplayer stops on locking the phone (this is intermittant with WMPlayer).
[HD2 General] stuartforrest:
"can you confirm if error correction was turned on"

No it wasnt and I do normally have it on but I notice that I switch it off often while typing fast. I could type at the same speed on my Touch Pro 2 without making hardly any mistakes.

I constantly hit space but it doesnt put one in also that others have reported. I hate to admit it but it doesnt happen on Mrs F's Hypephone (sorry you know which one I mean)
[HD2 General] _X_:
When it comes to social networks there is nothing better than using those from web browser. They constantly change and evolve and program needs to evolve also, which is not always fast enough. At some point facebook or twitter or something else will make a change in their API that will result in program error. So, the best way to use those networks is from web browser and there is no better device for web browsing than HD2 (huge screen combined with decent resolution).

Stability and small bugs will be ironed over time. Take a close look at some Android phone review on Youtube. Notice how on many cases reviewer needs to press more than once buttons at the bottom to get some results.

iPhone is not available everywhere so it can't be compared to Android or WM smartphones. And it is Apple product with lot of limitations out of the box which does not exist in case of Android and WM devices. Android is very Google oriented so if you don't mind that you can also try that one.

ps. u can disable Sense: Start/Settings/Home/Items - Enable: Windows Default
[HD2 General] ZaZu90:
Why doesnt anyone mention that ? The best social phone until now is the black berry !!

Honestly, if only im not a touch screen maniac, I would have gone for the storm 2 .. but it sucks, if the screen clicks then its not a touch screen, its a click screen :P

But seriously, the phone has facebook integration, black berry messenger (where you can chat with friends 24/7 whenever you want, and send pictures in a glimpse, create groups and upload pictures there, send voice messages ... Its everything social you want in one phone.

The only problem is that they suck at creating a good touch phone, and a good phone design ... If only they improve that, or create a blackberry similar to the HD2 hardware, I will go buy it without re-thinking !!!

You want a social phone, the blackberry is what you are looking for.
[HD2 General] matt_attack_2k1:
My girlfriend had a blackberry and I agree they a great phones!
[HD2 General] gregormax:
Same here - well... almost :). Once I had this problem with the blank screen while keys were on and had to remove the battery but it happened only once... and my browser was freezing the phone but again - this time it was my fault (I installed Flash player for Opera and was trying to play YT movies this way so it was because of the tweak - when I uninstalled it all went back to normal).

As we all know WM is not perfect but right now I'm really happy with my HD2. Works great, the browser works like charm (even better than on the iPhone), the GPS is great, the camera is decent (at least the best in HTC phones range ;)), the display rocks, the touchscreen works perfectly... nothing to complain. I own an iPod Touch 3G and while it's also a cool device HD2 is much better for browsing. Before I had a HTC Diamond and it sucked - it was crashing and I had a lot of problems with it so I wasn't sure if I should go with another HTC (I was also thinking about the Xperia X2, Nokia N900 or a Symbian device) but Symbian on touchscreens phones is not perfect... besides for me GPS software is really important and i wanted to run Automapa (a Polish soft - much better than TomTom imho, but it's only available on WM) which I was using on the Diamond. I even didn't have to reinstall it - I just copied the files from my HTC Diamond to the SD card and... it works :). So you can see WM also has it's advantages ;).

Never experienced any problems with messages and so on and if I had to pull off my battery it was only due to my own actions (installing tweaks, etc). Right now I really love the phone - the most important thing for me is that I can rely on it - on the Diamond I had situations when I got a new sms message and the phone crashed and the message got lost (so I didn't have the possibility to read it and didn't know who sent it).

I guess it all depends on the device you own - or maybe on the ROM. I also didn't buy mine from the operator but in MediaMarkt (electronic store) so it didn't have all this garbage operators usually install on the device - maybe that's the problem with some of yours HD2s...
[HD2 General] jakem:
Sorry but you can't say that the standard keyboard has problems when you've only used it briefly in a shop. It took me about a week to get used to the keyboard but I don't have any problems with it now. What is the point of coming here and criticising the phone when you don't even own one?
[HD2 General] adchesney:
Dear Folks,

I have had HD2 since Saturday, I have had to take the battery out on at last 6 occasions. This morning I thought I would start to send some SMS, advising my 300+ contacts that my number has changed.

Well I was able to send 10, and now I have about 50 stuck in my Outbox.

I have come from a Nokia E63 (great) keyboard and BBerry – so I am having a really bad time using the keyboard. I will try SWYPE.

In the meantime, is THERE ANY WAY to

manually un-lock

the items stuck in the Outbox – even if it is a lengthy workaround?

I will press on, but I only have about 22 days left before I can return this back to Virgin Mobile.

Regards

ADC (Yateley, UK
[HD2 General] arxx:
Just reboot your phone, and send a new message to someone (i.e. yourself) then the sending will be trigged, and all messages will be sent :)

New hotfix from HTC is due this month
[HD2 General] Monty Burns:
Actually, under sales of goods act, it can easily be argued that its not free of defect and not fit for purpose and so you have considerably longer to return it. A reasonable time should be allowed and as its (probably) sold on 24month contracts, you can easily argue the device should be useable and free from defect for 24 months.

Oh ... and subscribing as this is a very interesting thread for someone like me looking to *possibly* buy a HD2 .... or a Milestone...
[HD2 General] jrrigney:
I'm going to go down this route if the next update for the SMS doesn't work, I tried explaining this to MobilePhonesDirect retailler (instore) and they were pretty much clueless not knowing it exists, never mind I know my rights. Unfortunatly for those who don't live in the UK this obviously doesn't apply to you.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
A serious SMS issue can't be still pending since ages. It was planned on the 15th of January and not the end of the month. HTC is willing to finish it before the end of the month but THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT IS GOING TO BE SOLVED.

God knows if they are going to successfuly release a working hotfix or another crappy update...
[HD2 General] adchesney:
Dear Arxx

THANKYOU :)

I rebooted and sent a SMS to myself, and this "unblocked" the stuck Outbox.

Now all I need to do is master the keyboard. I can't even type the alphabet without making many mistakes.

Regards

ADC (Yateley, UK)
[HD2 General] kr00t0n:
As I have never had a stuck message, does this only seem to be affecting network handsets?

I have a totally unbranded one.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I think the crackling voice conversation and stuck SMS is operator dependent but I wonder how could it be...
[HD2 General] arxx:
NP :)

About the keyboard... well.. in my opinion, nothing beats physical keys. To have a slim phone with 4.3", its just a compromise you'll have to make. But its getting easier with training.

You could think about deactivating HTC Messaging, and going back to native Microsoft (but then you'll loose mms) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=556614

You will need an REG editor for this.
[HD2 General] adchesney:
I have just sent the 300+ messages :-)

Is there any way to do a

bulk delete

of all the "Delivery Reports" I shold have turned this off - Doh!

ADC
[HD2 General] DuoM:
Well you should be able to select the receipts one by one and then carry out an action on all the selected items but I don't know if you can select several messages in one go like you can when you use the shift key on a normal keyboard.

An alternative would be to use MyPhone, sync your messages then delete them from the web browser (either the phone or a PC).
[HD2 General] DuoM:
It seems that Tengo are no longer in business. Too bad because their thumb board works quite well.
[HD2 General] byronlee:
I bought my HD2 about a month ago and there were times I was annoyed by some apparent bugs or flaws as mentioned in this threat, esp the first 2 weeks when new apps were being installed, but most of these were by now fixed or improved and I just wish to share some of my little findings here:

- the service.exe error/problem is probably caused by some apps that auto-start and/or run in the background after the machine reboots. Check the Windows/StartUp folder in your device and remove/reinstall any suspicious app(s) that you hv installed. My problem was solved after removing G-Light.

- consider one cannot escape from some housekeeping work on your desktop once in a while to clean up the rubbish that is taking up memory and slowing down your machine, the same also applies to your PPC. Small free apps such as RAM Sweeper and FastCleanup do that just perfectly (something a softreset doesn't help). By doing this once every few days you can get your HD2 back to top performance.

- by installing one of the many softreset apps out there you save the effort of removing the battery cover everytime for softreset (unless the device is really totally freezed)

- haven't had the SMS problem (as yet) but my HD2 came in lock-free. Not sure if it's related to the service network/operator or really a software problem.

- "pink" problem of camera has somewhat improved after hot-fix. Can live with that as I don't take those pictures taken by phone very seriously anyway.

- Swype keyboard is a good aletrnative to the default keyboard, and the BsB Tweaks just do great to lower the screen sensitivity.

People's preferences vary so much so I don't believe in a perfect phone for everyone. As many have already mentioned, the best thing about WM is still its "tweakability" and "bespokability" to suit one's personal taste and needs.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
why is it only HTC's keyboard thats "dodgy"?

Has anyone else noticed that most of us find the standard keyboard a bit "twitchy" to start off with (untill we either get used to it, apply a tweak or grab an alternative like swype) but that most 3rd party apps (co-pilot,garmin,tomtom to name a few) all seem to have keyboards that work perfectly...surely if thats the case the standard keyboard is only troublesome as there must be a flaw within its program? anyone care to comment?:cool:
[HD2 General] crapbag172:
Hi guys, ive just searched the forums for info on 1.61 but it returns no results. Im currently on 1.48 and just wanted to know what the main differences are between 1.48 and 1.61.

Has anyone tried 1.61???
[HD2 General] tictac0566:
Here you will get 45 pages of information about this ROM.

The main differences between ROM versions are newer versions of the system, both WinMo and Sense/Manila. In this case, a newer Radio ROM was also included.
[HD2 General] Olioaglio:
...which is also available as separate update at HTC support site (SIM Card Update).

Olioaglio
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] rbiez:
I had problems finding a working version of QuickMenu for HD2, so I modified my own .cab a bit. I hope this will help others as well. Im attaching a version for norwegian ROM and also for the WWE.

If anyone want to use it on other languages, the only modification after installation is to change 0409 to your own local code in the files:

Program Files\Qmenu\QMenuCfg.dll.0409.mui

Program Files\Qmenu\QuickMenu.exe.0409.mui

and then in the settings of QuickMenu change the path for your local start menu.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] theory_87:
so do we lost the original wm6.5 start menu?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] rbiez:
no, the original start menu is stil present if you click on the text "start" instead of the actual start menu icon. you can also choose yourself in the settings whether the start menu hardware key will open Quick Menu, or windows' original start menu =)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ibb1982:
This is awesome! Thx

Only issue I don't like is that it removes the built in taskmanager that can be accessed by pressed the top right corner by the battery.

Can't both be present?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Igr1:
Does somebody have a volume buttons problem after installing?

ROM 1.48.405 (and smth.)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] lawsong:
Niiiice!

There are a couple of spelling errors in the Quick menu in WWE:

'Execute' rather than 'Excute'

'Options' rather than 'Option'.

Is there a way to show user defined icons rather than the system defaults in the menus as many will have installed a different set?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] JMC1961:
Great!

It works very, very well with HTC HD2!

Congratulations and thanks a lot!

JC
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] appelflap:
Thanks, works very well in conjuction with WM 6.5.x (except the interception of the close button)

Very finger friendly when you set the "Menu item edge" to 15 or more.

Thanks for sharing
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] rbiez:
i dont know about this, but why would you need it when this menu got its own task manager, both a list of open programs and a link to "task manager" ? =)

no problem here...

i've been wondering the same myself...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jaguaralani:
Good Work, Trying now..........
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] godsavenger:
don't work on my french rom hd2

I have a strange caracter in the menus

Ok Work Fine but i need to rename these files:

Program Files\Qmenu\QMenuCfg.dll.0409.mui

Program Files\Qmenu\QuickMenu.exe.0409.mui

to

Program Files\Qmenu\QMenuCfg.dll.040C.mui

Program Files\Qmenu\QuickMenu.exe.040C.mui
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pinosano:
Fantastic!

This is great! Thanks! works excellent on my HTC HD2
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] arturobandini:
Works great on my French HD2.

Thank you.:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dXsL:
*working* QuickMenu for HD2

hi guys, I've seen several threads on QM for HD2. I've been using a version which I picked up somewhere, and has worked flawlessly for all HD2 ROMs I've tried so far.

I also commented in this thread.

Quote from that thread:

I attached my version (WWE) so you can try if it works for you. Hope it helps :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] noolove:
Very very nice!!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] cranesky:
i am using the origial quickmenu and it seems work fine, what is the diffirrence between the origin and this one?