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[HTC Vox] strooja:
OK, after all those user-made roms and years of experience, I wuold ask you kindly to help me in choosing which one of these two models to buy. I found Vox for 145 $ (with shipping&h) and Wings for 155 $ (s&h incl.). I think it's a really decent price for a brand new smartphone with full qwerty keyboard.

All I have to do is, to decide, which one to buy. At the moment, I've got the Wings, borrowed it from one guy, and it's quite nice but bulky.

I've red a lot about both of these phones on the internet and on this forum, but I still cannot decide whichi one to buy. My own pro's and cons, written with having in mind which things matters to me considering this phones, I don't mind vox isn't 3g phone. In few words - most important to me is to have not too big and heavy phone, smartphone with full qwerty and wifi, and ofc, with nice performances. If there is any newer model with similar price on the net, please inform me here, so I don't have to break my head between these two phones ;)

WINGS S730

Pro's

Newer model

Faster CPU

No rubber that would expand over time

Better camera (not so important to me, but nice to know)

Cons

Bigger than the Vox (H+4mm, T+1.7 mm, W+1mm)

Too heavy (150g. with extended battery even more)

Lousy design (looks like a a bit rounded brick :) )

Battery lasts one day (original battery)

No solution to low free ROM and losy graph drivers causing it

Only wm 6.0 and 6.1 aviable

Get's cracks on the side of the mask really easy

No spacing between qwerty keys

VOX S710

Pro's

Lighter model (120g)

Size (H-4mm, T-1.7 mm, W-1mm)

Battery lasts 2-3 days (original, extended perhaps twice longer)

Better ROM managment and graphic drivers = more free rom, almost identical performances like s730 in running small applications (I'm not going to run anything big).

Nice design

More cooked roms and official updates

WM 6.5 aviable

Spacing between qwerty keys

Cons

I'm afraid that rubber on the edges will expand (give me feedback from own experience please!)

Has lower quality sound and speakers??? (feedback on this please)

Older model

Slower cpu

So, I still cannot decide which one is better, price is +-10$ and does not plays any role whatsoever.

Which one is more practical for everyday use, does the weight and dimensions give much advantage to Vox, how much advantage with performances and stability brings WM 6.5, are the performances of 200 MHZ cpu still enogh for smooth running of WM 6.5?
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
This is how the Vox looks like after 2.5 years of usage.

Be aware of the fact that WM 6.5 or WM 6.1 significantly decrease the Vox' battery life.

PS I removed the flap on the usb plug.
[HTC Vox] strooja:
Thanks a lot... Could you please send some full frontal photos? To see the whole phone?

WM 6.1 would, in that case, just kill the wings battery ;)

Here are the pics of s730 after 1.5 year of usage

ttp://i45.tinypic.com/167t43m.jpg

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[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
Oh wow, that looks really bad compared to the Vox.

I updated the post with two new pics of the front and the back!
[HTC Vox] tobbbie:
The weight for the Vox is not 120g but 140g, so the difference is not that big compared to the Wings. It is the size that made me choose the VOX.

I really wish to find the black numeric keyboard (as on Orange's E650) as a replacement part some time as you can see that the D-pad gets scratched from the thumb's nail in the silver version (revealing the black plastic underneath).

When you switch off the UMTS in the Wings you should get comparable time of operation as well.
[HTC Vox] strooja:
Are you satisfided with vox?

How fast it browses web pages and goes through the messenger?

I must say, wings opens web pages quite quickly (I am usin IE, i can't imagine how would it fly with opera), and windows messenger is running normally.

BUT

After I turn on the phone, without loading any additional programs (and the phone has only default software), I've god only 16 MB of free memory :(
[HTC Vox] m32:
Browsing is rather depending on connection - rendering with 201mhz isnt a daemon - but is sufficient.

I'm happy with this phone - worth its price

m32
[HTC Vox] TheBo:
s730 is on the paper...a LOT better, it is also UMTS where the VOX is EDGE

but I know at least 3 owners of WINGS that were impressed by the speed/usability achieved by the VOx, by custom roms...

WINGS...has a poor support (roms,etc...) here on xda compared to the Vox
[HTC Vox] znial:
i am using a wings... and i declere my defeat!!

vox is much better then the newer and powerfull wings

why?

1 wings suffer a terrifing ram decrease, from the stok rom to the latest custom 6.5 i noticed that my ram CANNOT go upper the 15M (and after 2 hours from the boot it could be 6 or 7M)

2 quoting TheBo, wings has poor support and rare developers... it means that a lot of bugs cannot be solved

3 omap vs qualcomm? maybe qualcomm is better in much more cases, but IMHO in THIS CASE (s730 VS s710) omap is the best and the one that confirm this rule

finally i hate my wings and think that my life could be better with another device (but newer windows phones are much expansive for me)

and i suggest you to get the VOX!!!

sorry for my erroneus english :p
[HTC Vox] blacklord9:
where can i get that?

I've used the vox and internet is almost unusable. Also the CPU is unbelievably slow.

But the size and shape make a huge difference, the vox being somewhat less prone to cracks. My wings cracked on the side in the first week of use and i keep it in a protective leather case. Also the wings is so poorly designed that the slide scratches the qwerty keyboard.

Overall if you don't care about internet browsing or large applications like skype, go for the vox.

Oh and as for the memory leak my wings has been on for 5 days no reset and i have 13mb free ram so the graph is like this:

Memory usage:

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/ \______
[HTC Vox] strooja:
Hm, I haven't heard anyone complaining about internet on the Vox? :/

I've got wi-fi network at home, so it'd be quite often used as a "lying in bed messenger and surfing device", huh, I hope it'll work!

Ok, Wings is like a sport's car that has a speed limitation at about 100 km/h that can't be removed, while vox is a family car with slower engine and acceleration, but that can go nearly 200 and consumes waaay less resources :)
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] joeavery2:
I think we need a spare parts for the nexus one. Please add your wishes too.

Notification:

Notification LED flash rate

Notification LED color for Each Google Experience App

Check box for Blink or Glow

Screen Wake up:

Use default (power button) or box with provide your own keystroke. i.e. trackball, double trackball, volume down, volume down twice... ect.

Check box for using the slide unlock or not

Screen sleep:

Long press OR extended long press Trackball or some screen button (they should be active since the screen is on). Again this could be a provide your own keystroke.

This is a Android phone, it should not force us to conform to one way to use it.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] Casao:
Spare Parts is something out of the default Android codebase that wasn't included in the actual OS, unless we see it in AOSP for 2.1 when it hits, someone would have to spend a while porting the old one.

I'm sure it's doable, but it's a lot of work, so unless you're volunteering, it might be better to wait for AOSP to hit.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] JanetPanic:
spare parts is in the SDK ROM for 2.1 so no need to port. Just extract it from there. (No idea what is in the spare parts for 2.1, just saw it when I was testing)
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] mirox3m:
If somebody can test Nexus One's multi touch capability it would be great. Hopefully it supports more than 2 points!

I think these apps could be used: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.com-electricsheep-mtp-pipD.aspx

or

http://www.androlib.com/android.application.ten-thirty-three-simplydrawtwo-pzqi.aspx
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] spazzzz:
Only two points with either of those applications. Also the two points seems to interfere with each other.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] cartoonmonkey:
This isn't "multitouch" when you're seeing the 2 points interfere with each other. It's the exact same thing the Dream had in it's rom.

I think this is at an os / rom level.. (although the Dolphin browser is very smooth!) Dolphin may be using this hacky 'multitouch' though.

I'll eat my hat when I see multitouch on Android that clearly supports more than 2 fingers...! I just don't think it's in the hardware.

Prove me wrong devs! I'm only a cartoonist.

:D
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] cartoonmonkey:
Ooh! I take it back. "Toon Warz" from polarbit games is full multitouch!

PolarBit makes some gorgeous games.. holy god!
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] bougelahi:
It's definitely not the hardware.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] BrooklynAvi:
As of Android 2.x, multi-touch is available at the software level and might I say executed very well in apps like Dolphin. It's available in the new 2.1 SDK (I've played with it) and should work no differently than it does on the iPhone, possibly better given the better hardware. I haven't tried these two apps but it will be nice when developers start developing MT apps.

MT is turned off by default for built-in apps like Browser and Gallery and Google apps like Gmail, Maps, etc. MT is supported out of the box outside the U.S. As soon as the source code for 2.1 is released, developers creating custom ROMs can simply switch on MT and it will be in the built-in browser and the Gallery.

People have to stop saying Android doesn't support MT because that is no longer the case. Google simply refuses to give a concrete reason it was turned off in U.S. model devices.
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] bradsh1:
Aren't the google apps protected in some way from redistribution? Wouldn't it stand to reason then, that we won't see their multitouch editions? Do they even release the source for those apps?
[Nexus One Themes and Apps] BrooklynAvi:
No, Google does not release the source code for their proprietary apps and no they cannot be redistributed (remember when Cyanogen released the 1.6 Market before Google?). Unless they are illegally distributed it is unlikely that we will see them (but I have no way to know that for certain). Besides, I personally find MT to not be of much use in the majority of apps since I use my phone with one hand and the N1 is especially too big to pinch with one hand. I'd rather double click. I can see how it could be vital to games. For example, it is currently not possible to play a NES emulator on a myTouch. There is no onscreen support and even if there was, you could not move the directional pad and click the buttons as the same time.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] DWC316:
I was having problems signing DLL'S with MSsigner and finally found out that the certicates have expired so I took the liberty and downladed the new ones and updated MSsigner. Enjoy:D

I have tested this and my dll's that I modify for my taskbar work again after signing them with the new updated MSsigner.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jdmsleepr:
thank you sir!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] pupakota:
Thank you, sir.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jagan2:
Thank you very much.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] guilledil:
Great!! Thanks....
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Qui-Gon Ginn:
Thx man :)
[S740, S743 General] DKSE:
I have a CDMA Touch Pro with a broken touchscreen, the screen displays just fine but does not respond to touch because the touch plate is shattered or something. I was wondering if I could still make use of the phone by installing an non-touch based rom. And the Rose basically is the non-touch version of the Raphael right?
[S740, S743 General] zarn:
No mate, very different
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] tzitzu:
Hello all

i got in service a htc magic A6161 , the client said , he used only softwares from android market , but the phone actualy it looks like a bricked brick it does nothin' , now ideas would be great , a j-tag who suport the cpu's msm7200A and msm7201 must arrive , but from my knowledge i'll need some binary files instead nbh , someone could help mewith some infos or to revive this brick?

thx

B.R. tzitzu
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
As stated on the title, I think it will be great if we can rip iphone apps to run in HD2. Just a suggestion please don't flame me :p

[iPhone like apps & tweaks build into WinMo]

Applications that can be found in iPhone which are developed or recreated for WinMo.

Doesn't matter with GUI or text interface as long as the idea is there for being creative.

I will try to compile all the 'iPhone like apps' in here which are developed for daily use.

Download Applications:

»SBS Bus Time [SG Only]

»Show Traffic [With Google Map][SG Only]

»Metal Detector - Proof Of Concept

»S2U2 - iPhone Style Slide Lock

»Filmscope [SG Only]

»iPhoneToday - iPhoneToday Video by Birger » Here

Download Tweak:

»Co0kie's Home Tab - iPhone like menu [Swiping Style], Extended Quicklinks & More

More to come...

Credits to afoongwl215, dZenkinZ, 6Fg8, A_C, Co0kieMonster, tronikos, sh2sg.com & Birger for his video
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] lorin.bute:
It is impossible. 2 totally different operating system with 2 different file systems, 2 different control sets and 2 different sdk's.

The only way is if the developer makes the app for win mo.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tfouto:
if there was an emulator it would be not impossible...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ninja Jaiden:
True, but... I don't think this is gonna happen anytime soon.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mickfarr:
I don't think an emulator is needed, I mean how many fart apps do you need??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] arturobandini:
espaleena why don't you just buy yourself an Iphone.

Sorry, but I can see so many useless messages coming from former Iphone owners on this HD2 sub-section... I am really fed up :mad:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tfouto:
i personaly would prefer to see an emulator of android. There are some nice apps that android has, such google map sky, google navigation and Layar. I know VMWare is working on a mobile virtualization but the solution is yet far away in time. But i have to say that an Iphone emulator would be nice also. There tons of apps and games that the Iphone has.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
Too bad I'm not an iPhone fanboy, liking something from iPhone Apps doesn't mean I have to get or support iPhone frenzy.

From my perspective point of view, HD2 users can create cabs to emulate games like FPSece or Morphgear, so you see they can do something to make other things run on HD2. Please dont be stereotype arturobandini :D it's just a suggestion.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] erik7272:
well i had a iphone myself, and it´s not a good phone. But some applications and games are very usefull and goodlooking. and with goodlooking i mean better than applications for the HD2. So if you never had a iphone stop talking about it. it´s like the same as people talking about the bible without reading it. :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] fraser68:
yep, in the bible, turns out God did it...hope haven't ruined the ending for anyone. Can't see an emulator for Iphone as you normally need 5-10 times the power of the emulated item for good emulation and the HD2 is good but not that good. Would love some augmented reality stuff for it though, which the iphone has...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mamv:
For what is reported here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee355030.aspx#portAmpConclusion if application developers want, it's not that hard to port iphone applications to windows mobile.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DaveLeh:
There is no way you can emulate iPhone OS or Android on the HD2. Emulation means you need a much more powerful hardware. The games for iPhone OS require pretty much the same hardware the HD2 has. Emulation is not possible.

You can only port them. But you would have to do it for each application and it seems very few developers are interested in porting their games to WM.

The other way would be to be able to boot that OS on your windows phone. It was actually possible on other phones like the Kaiser or the Polaris to boot Android natively.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tfouto:
i dont know if its possible to accomplish dual boot. One thing is get a Android Rom to HD2, but dual boot i dont know.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] erik7272:
what about triple boot, me like
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
Thx for the info mamv, after reading the website it seems possible to port

iPhone apps that's downloadable in the Apps Store to HTC. We just need some experts to do it.

Yeah there are some nice apps & games in iPhone.

As I believe HD2 can do more then what people might think,

running PSX games - possible

running SEGA / Gameboy / others - possible

running iPhone downloaded apps - I'm sure it is possible.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hebbe:
did you really read this article? :) and did you also understand whats neccessary to "port" an application? you need at least the sourcecode to do so! just downloading a various app and then say "ok, i'll port it" doesn't work :p

if the developer is willing to port (re-code) an app, then nearly every app can be ported, from nearly every system! :-)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] vasta.antonio:
HD2 is a powerful device, the i-phone NO!

Hadware 's HD2, and not just hadware has no comparison to the i-phone, which is nothing but a cell phone more evolved than others and certainly not a PocketPC (say SMARPHONE AN ALMOST, ALMOST! SINCE MAY INSTALL APLICATIONS)

.. was Publicize properly and the people I have to buy, just for curiosity !!... made the news ..... few know the real smatphone!

The developers do admire beautiful of games for the iPhone, Anvendelser per screen capacitive, g-sensor, etc. ...

Why not do the same thing for the HD2 ????... WHY HAS NOT ONLY BEHIND THE BISNES who made the I-PHONE .. ALL HERE.

I-Phone bought many years and many will buy his aplicativo .... simple!

Now with HD2 hope someone aplicativo to invest more powerful and appropriate for this smartphone with the "S" capital ...

.. the people who bought the i-phone has noticed everything that does or fails to do ...

Hello to all and excuse the English ....

Understand?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] leoni1980:
Not true: the iPhone has much more powerful Open GL capabilities than the HD2 thanks to that custom PowerVR chip, the HD2 just isn't anywhere near powerful enough to emulate any iPhone software as all it has is raw horsepower. Just because the HD2 has a faster processor does not mean it is holistically 'better' - the iPhone hardware (particularly that of the 3Gs) is very powerful from a mobile graphics standpoint at least. The HD2 can barely cope with Windows Mobile centric apps for a whole day without crashing or lagging, and just look how much much smoother pinch to zoom is on Safari than Opera... the idea that it could emulate an iPhone app is insane, although I really would like it to be true as unfortunately I'm a big social networking and IM user and sadly Windows Mobile lags depressingly behind iPhone and Android in this respect - mainly owing to the embarrassing Windows Marketplace and a lack of definition and development pushing from Microsoft.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
I didn't say things will be easy porting apps from iPhone to HD2 nor it

is impossible, the main thing is that it's possible to do it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] vasta.antonio:
I do not think ...

But you have a HD2? ... Or you have AI-phone "phone"?

what you say is true only in part ..

I do not doubt that Mac has a duty ottomizato the requirements to run good games, but you can not compare with a PocketPC-phone forefront as HD2 ...

HD2 has everything in the I-Phone and much more ... then if windows is a bit limited in something, just because it does not only turn the games, but all or almost do it with a PC desktop laptop!!

Understand? is not a console but could also make the console, the I-Phone not know ...

my friends at I-Phone does not do many things ... you must carry it behind the PC!

I'm sure the games they play for I-PHONE HE CAN DO EVEN FOR WINDOWS, NOW WITH HD2 ONE CAN SAY YES!

The next
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] leoni1980:
It is absolutely NOT possible. from the Gamegear (3.58MHz) to the PS1 (33.9MHz) you're looking at a leap of a minimum of TWELVE TIMES the speed INCLUSIVE of hardware acceleration in emulation. Everything would hang on raw processing as no-one has any drivers to tap into the Snapdragon chip's hardware acceleration capabilities, unless they wish to pay Qualcomm for them . We can't even emulate a PS2, and they're only 300MHz - 1.37 times slower than the original iPhone; TWO TIMES slower than the 3GS.

NOT POSSIBLE.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] leoni1980:
I have a HD2 and an iPhone. I'm very familiar with what both of the devices are capable of.

I'd like to be able to get rid of the iPhone but unfortunately the HD2 (and all windows mobile devices) lets me down when it comes to decent instant messaging apps, social networking apps, twitter clients and games. I like the HD2 for its browser, big screen and multimedia playback and the fact that it isn't locked down, but the iPhone is deceptively powerful and to assume one could 'emulate' this smoothness and ease of use is frankly absurd: if this were so easy then perhaps we would have better apps and games outright and wouldn't have to ponder such emulation in the first place.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] vasta.antonio:
What is powerful? .. I understand this!

mean for games?

For Anvendelser?

Do not tell me to structure hadware because it is not!

Build a good mechanical device (FOR FUN WITH GAMES) but HTC, with the HD2 given to the 2 of PITCH ...

I am sure that will come out and play aplicativo specific HD2 ..

I will end ...

good post
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] the-uki:
Wake up! your 3 years behind! There aint 100,000 fart apps out there!

Percentage wise, you have 1/60 of all Windows app stores are fart apps, compared to only a handful/100,000 apps in the app-store.

Now lets talk serious: show me a sigle application like SkyTV, Canal+, Coyote, Louvre, any compass-using application (astronomy, reality view, ....), cool RECENT games, medical, ski, security, Linked-in, eBay, yellow-pages, ..... on WM65. Frankly speaking, very sparce, if not, zero. I haven't seen any cool app for WM65 since I got my HD2, and I have to apply zilions of tweaks just to make the HD2 user-friendly to start with, and prevent it from connecting to the internet all the time for nothing.

Compare real FACTS with real FACTS please.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kundalini:
This post starteted pretty ****ty and useless discussion. Think twice before you go-on