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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] itm:
I just tried this out - great app!

I have a question....when viewing a list of departures it's possible to tap on a train icon for each departure, and it illuminates. What does this do??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ianhd2:
Sproxy answers this in post 182... he says as follows....

"The train icon (bus icon if it is a replacement service) is used to make this service sticky. The way service works is, once the due time of your station is passed, the server will not return up to date information about that specific service. This way, by making it sticky (selecting) you make sure that the service in question will not disappear from your list."

:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Indirect journey support added

Hi again,

Finally indirect journey support is added to the application. If you are interested in testing, please send me a private message and I will send the link for the new beta.

The installer should be ready later today.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] cozzykim:
I like the indirect journey facility :)

this one shows that a two change journey is in fact faster than the single change - Nice
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] foggy69:
I have only managed to get an indirect routing if the request is sent via a wifi connection, and it isn't to complex (i.e. one or two changes on well served routes).

All indirect routing requests I have made via the phones internet connection have failed. It only gets to the 'Downloading Services' screen and there it stays.

I have tried using the facility in many different locations to see if signal strength is a factor.

I have also checked all the journeys on the national rail website.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] foggy69:
Even with the latest version 2.0.3900.28417, I can still only get indirect routings via a wifi connection. But complex requests still fail, even via wifi.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ianhd2:
The indirect routes wont show the stage where you can find out where the train is currently. Sproxy mentions this so if thats what you mean, dont worry too much :)

If that isnt what you mean... give an example of a route that you cant get to work, Sproxy and other people might also try it to see if its a problem with everyone..

I have just tried on a 3g connection Bolton to London Kings Cross and one of the results I got back was

Bolton - Wigan Wallgate

Wigan Wallgate - WIgan North Western

Wigan North Western - London Euston

London Euston - London Kings Cross

it took about 30 seconds for those results and showed 5 different ways
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] foggy69:
These are some of the indirect routings that have worked only via wifi

Bolton to London Kings Cross

London Victoria to Reigate

Aldrington to Falmer

Haywards Heath to Reading

Aldrington to Newmarket

Plymouth to Matlock

Aylesford to Cookham

Redhill to Glasgow

Aldrington to Glasgow

Peterborough to Aberdeen

These are some that have failed to load using either wifi or 3g

Peterborough to Dyce

London Euston to Cathcart

London Euston to Ayr

Abercynon to Inverness

Penryn to Sheringham

It is odd that it will give the timings from Peterborough to Aberdeen, either by direct train or by changing at Edinburgh, but if you want to go just one station further on from Aberdeen to Dyce, it will not load the info.

I have had no indirect routing load via 3g
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ianhd2:
The top list I can access with the 3g connection, though sometimes it appears to take a lot longer times than others.

The bottom list I too cant access either 3g or wifi. Strange, hopefully sproxy will be able to check :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] andy_pp:
new feature request

here's one - would it be possible to add a departure time alarm?

It's 5 minutes walk from the house to the station, but on the thameslink line the timetable is only ever really an aspiration, and we are frequently left standing on the platform much longer than that. An alarm (with a configurable delay) that says when to leave the house to catch the train would be really useful :)

The walking time for the return journey would be different though, ideally a different delay could be associated with each chosen departure station.

Great app though, I use it most days.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] andy_pp:
and a bug report

A few times now, I've noticed it showing only trains timetabled to leave in the future, and leaves off delayed trains that still haven't arrived. For example, this morning the 9:39 was shown as running at 10:14 on the live departure boards site, and did, yet at 10:10 the app was only showing the scheduled 10:17 service, which ran at 10:25.

Can you get it to filter the trains by expected time instead of published time? Is this perhaps a deficiency of the feed you're using?

I'm sure I'll have many more opportunities to test it for you on the thameslink line!

Cheers
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
The original post is updated as following:

"The public API this application uses might be blocked soon.

Please sign your interest at Public Sector Information Unlocking Service to keep the data open:

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/unlocking-service/CommentView/guid/9abb80cc-d21a-497b-bbce-bed10e5fc5fb

Right now there are 169 votes there. Also, it seems like eventually this data will be public.

Hopefully, with people's attenttion it will happen sooner than later"

Thanks for your support.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] marlon32:
Probably a silly question which I cant find the answer to....

I have installed this app, when i go into the setting of the app to add a change some default settings (i.e amount of trains to download etc), i cant see anything. The screen is black:(

I know the text is there but it cant be viewed.

It's a though there is a blanket over it...if that makes sense?

Any idea how to sort it?

Any help appreciated.

Thanks guys.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

I am sorry I did not notice this problem before. I will look into this issue this weekend and provide an update as soon as possible.

However, as I mentioned above, this might be the last fix/update since the public API will be closed on 23rd of November which will block access to rail data.

So it would be helpful if current users vote for the data being public at the link above.

I believe, similar to the post code and Ordnance Survey data, this data will also open up to public. However, with enough attention, the process might be quicker.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] marlon32:
great thanks.

look forward to your response.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dbb:
i just added my vote.

i don't use thiseveryday - but when i need it, it is very handy.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] andy_pp:
2 more votes added - should take it up to 189.

If the feed is removed, can the app scrape national rail's web page instead? At least that would format the data much better for a small screen.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi again,

I could not reproduce this issue in the new version. Please let me know if you still experience it with the version I have just uploaded.

If it is still the same then I would need more information about your set up.

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] niggle1:
For the last few days I'm getting garbage for any rail journeys I've tried to download. Lost of instances of "Changes: -1" along with Departure/Arrival times, and then unexpected errors when selecting a particular service.

Is this because the public API has now gone down? Thanks,
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

You are right about the API.

We have updated the version and it should at least provide the essential functionality such as viewing the journeys and service messages.

The details are available in the first post.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] malkrae:
Very useful app..:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] phoare:
Download link not working

The download link (http://www.blackbirdapps.co.uk/RailDeparturesV2.CAB) isn't working currently... just gives a 404 File or directory not found...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

Thanks for the heads up. The link is fixed now.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] niggle1:
Running today's build v2.0.3987.18632.

Not quite sure it's working though. I attach a screenshot.

Is this as expected? Thanks,
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ianhd2:
hi sproxy m8

can you confirm if the version I have is the latest one please....

Version 2.0.3900.28417

build date 05.09.10 16:47:14

I tried to access the link to download the latest version you have on the first page but still as a previous poster said the link is unavailable.

It goes to a page, then internet explorer says it cant show the page as it might damage the computer blah blah blah... I click on the bar at the top and click on download the file and then it takes me to a blank page, so I cant tell if it works or not now

Thanks in advance

Ian
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

The link works for me and right now I am not sure why this is happening.

I have attached the latest version to the original post so you can download from the forum instead.

The latest version should be 2.0.3987.18632

build date: 01/12/2010 10:21
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

It seems to be the right version.

Is the information wrong?

Without the API certain advanced functionality will not be available.

However, the application will still display cancellations, service notices, delays, platforms and the schedule for your favories.

Since these days are the most important times for such information, we hade to enable essential fetures as soons as possible even if it meant certain compromises in the UI.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] niggle1:
Hi sproxy,

Thanks for the clarifications. I guess I just wasn't used to the new layout.

So should I assume that, taking my screenshot as an example, the top box marked with "Changes: 1" is the next train to depart, and then two boxes down, marked with "Changes: 0" is the most up-to-date departure time? So 11:02 in this case?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ianhd2:
Thanks sproxy m8, got the new version now :)

Just to check, the part where you could see where the train currently was passing is now disabled yes?

Ian
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] grayme:
Thanks from me too, shame the numbers interested seem so few.

Here's hoping they open up the API so that you can get back to providing a full program once again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Yorkshire Yellow:
Thanks for this useful app.

Can you tell me why I am getting the pop-up mesaage "Selected action is currently unavailable" when I click on "Arrival-Departures"?

I'm seem to be on the latest version, and have had this message when connected on both WiFi and 3G.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] grayme:
By way of a bump and a question.

It seems that not only do late trains disappear after their due time, but trains disappear a few minutes before their due time.

Unfortunately, this means I still need to load up nationalrail.co.uk to see my platform if my train has disappeared from this programme.

Can anything be done for this please?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bf2142:
not working anymore.

im guessing this is not working any more as im just getting a page with the start and the destination at the top. no train info anymore. i tried reinstalling but no change. such a shame this was a great app.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ziggyred:
Great app - shame it's not working anymore for me.

Would be good if the code values in the bin file could be updated.

For example, it no longer works for me as I travel to Waterloo Int. which in this app is listed as WIT but I think is now WAT.

Hence no results returned.

:(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] andy_pp:
alternatives

I've been looking for alternative sources of train times, mainly because of the "trains disappearing before they've left" problem, but also because of reports that the feed was being pulled.

These two web sites have live train times pages that fit a mobile browser:

National Rail's PDA site - still working despite changes to their main site.

Accessible UK Train Timetables - he seems to have got a genuine licence to use the national rail train times feed. The url for a single journey can be generated by adding /<src 3-letter-code>/<dst 3-letter-code> to the link.

They're not as good as a proper app, but definitely better than nothing.

While I was at it, I also found live departure boards for the london underground:

TfL site

TubeHorus
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] grayme:
Thanks andy_pp.

I've been using bookmarks and the pda site for the official nationalrail.co.uk, but the other one seems interesting.

For the London Underground, I have found this to be very good.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] EL4D:
amazing app, thanks so much
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] xenept:
I don't use trains but even then I am strangely tempted by this app. Maybe it's because I spent a good 5 years commuting on the train.

The next time I'm stuck in the middle of nowhere I will feel strangely comforted in the knowledge that I may still be able to get home!

sproxy, great piece of work and dedication.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] morpheus1982:
Thanks for the CAB mate. Very useful application, and fast!

Are you planning on developing it further? Maybe improved UI or actually functional enhancements that anyone can think of (i cant right now)...

What gave you the drive to make this app?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

I am working on a new version with an alternative gui and advanced functionality. I will consider your suggestions as well. This application was something I needed personally and initially shared with a few colleagues. Because we commute regularly, the requirements for us were pretty simple. It only took about a days work actually.

I feel quite excited about silvermoon project and therefore planning to implement the new version using it. For me it seems by far the best UI SDK on windows mobile. What do you think about it?

http://silvermoon.codeplex.com/

Even though it has certain limitations, I believe it is worth going for.

Issues with silvermoon:

- After running and exiting the application (about 7 times), texture generation fails and a soft reset is needed for the device. People report that it has more to do with the drivers because even using alternative gl-es wrappers issue remais the same.

- It does not support lower resolution devices yet. Currently 192dpi only.

On the other side, it seems to be extremely flexible and allows great looking responsive interfaces.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] havoc99:
Hello. This is a brilliant app. I have been looking for something like this for months! Thanks for that. I had the Android HTC Hero for a short while and actually used an app on it for live feeds and it was brilliant. This is the link for the two apps he has: croworc.

At first it was the same as you have done which was the My Train Times Lite app. Then with the NationalRail app it was completely enhanced to hold journey plans as well and a completely new user interface.

Hope this grows into a great app! But as it stands it's still brilliant! Thanks and good work.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

Thanks for the kind words. I have alreay finished updating the API for additional functionality and I should be able to upload the new version for testing next weekend. I am updating the fist post with screen shot of the service details interface.

Regards
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] keith43:
Great app op! It will come in handy.

It does have arrival time, if you select details of the journey! Hope this is what you meant.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] morpheus1982:
I do like the look of the Silvermoon project and the interface design that should be possible with it. The UI needs to be kept (dare I say it) iphone style simple though.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] phoare:
Has this stopped working?

Is it just me, or has this stopped working? Was working OK for me (well one problem which I can explain later) but it's now just giving me a "Cannot connect to the server. Please try again later" message.

Not been working for me for a few days - have uninstalled and re-installed latest version.

Punching the URL into the browser works fine.

Would like this back.... *very* nice app :-)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

I have just tried and seems to be working for me. If you don't mind, let me know the stations you have used and then I will try to replicate the issue.

On a seperate note, the new version is about 60% there and I think earliest test version will be the following weekend.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] havoc99:
Wow... Great. Can't wait to try it out. :D ... btw, I'm not having any problems either.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sub69:
Good Job Sproxy. Simple and Effective.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dakkie:
There is also a dutch lookalike version

Some guy made from a iphone app a windows mobile app, something like that.

Trein.ml beta

http://m.mobilelayers.com/
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] phoare:
Hi Sproxy,

Thanks for the response. My stations are Lee (LEE) to London Bridge (LBG). What may be relevant is that even when this was (mostly) working for me, it refused to give me the LBG->LEE journey, although LEE->LBG was fine. It was trying to sort that out (re-installing, uninstalling, removing routes, etc.) that it then completely stopped for me.

Let me know if you need anything further...

Cheers.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi again,

I could not yet replicate the issue but I will keep trying at different times and provide an update as soon as I find the cause.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi,

I have replicated the issue this morning and uploaded the new version (1.1.3696.17628).

The cab file in the first post is the latest. I have also updated the post to include the change log.

Let me know how it goes.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] babblerx:
good find

I like this app!

One of those underrated apps that does what it says on the tin without making a song and dance about it. Small, quick, functional and useful.

Thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0nkeyman:
thanks man a very useful app
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0nkeyman:
Ok I have been using this for a couple of days now and love it the only thing I hate is the speed of the the scrolling when picking a station is way to fast on my hd2. I know this is early days but just thought I would say.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] phoare:
Still no joy for me...

Hi Sproxy,

Still not working for me :-(

Have tried Lee to London Bridge (LEE<->LBG), Bath Spa to Bristol Temple Meads (BTH<->BRI) and London Euston to Birmingham International (EUS<->BHI). In each one of those, I get a Connection Error - Cannot connect to the server. please try again later. Happens whether I'm on T-Mobile or WiFi (and no problems surfing the 'net at the same time).

Have uninstalled, deleted the settings file, reinstalled, confirmed I'm running your updated version. Still no joy at all. Typically get half the green bar appear and then that message.

There aren't any registry settings that I should blow away are there?

Happy to wait for your updated interface version if it's best to troubleshoot that.

Thanks in advance...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] xenept:
Cheers for the updates.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Savag3Vim:
Great app man.

Not to be fussy but it would be great if arrival times could be shown in the app instead of redirecting to the site thus requiring launch of opera

Thanks again
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0j0j0j0123:
I'm getting errors after adding the stations :( Tried it twice and no luck, also the station selecter doesnt seem to happy when XT9 input is on. I did disable it for the app to test it. If you want any more info, give me a shout.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi everybody,

Thanks for the feedback. It helps a lot.

m0nkeyman: I admit the interface is not great and the new version I am aiming for this weekend should improve a lot on that front.

phoare: I am really sorry you have the same issue. I thought it was fixed. However, in the new version, this will not be a problem because I am using a new API. I will still try to find the time to fix existing version over the next few days.

Savag3Vim: This is a feature in the new version and I will try to include it in the first beta. However, if I cannot, it will definitely be in the second beta.

m0j0j0j0123: Cold you please let me know if you use it in HD2 or another device. Also if its another one, whats the resolution? This is the first time I hear such an issue but of course would like to resolve it.

Regards
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] flarestarwingz:
Thanks for the app, should help with my job :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] m0j0j0j0123:
Hi,

Just reinstalled it this morning and its working fine,not sure whats changed, but it works now, many thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Beefheart:
Superb mate, I have been looking for something like this as the Trains app on the iPhone was one of my most used.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] thulaniG:
hie sproxy, havent been able to get my app to work as of yet, but im going to try to reinstall it later.

is there an app for the underground or the london bus system (:D) available?

keep up the great work mate
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kinnyfaifai:
Fantastic app. Very useful, saves having to find times via web browser which is a pain.

Looking forward to new interface. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] snowblind2142:
WOW!

Thanks dude! Just what I've been looking for !!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] simonhughes:
thanks

great little idea as suggested. Working well on TMobile stock HD2.

thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Beefheart:
Regarding the attached thumbnails in the original post, am I the only one that can't get to the part of the application depicted in the 3rd photo? Where it gives you the current location and schedule of the train you're enquiring about? Or is that accessed via the website once you select a link?

I ask as the applications Trains, MyRail Lite and National Rail Enquiries on the iPhone all had a similar feature and I was wondering if there is plans to put it on this?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] sproxy:
Hi there,

This is not part of the online version yet. I mentioned it in the logs but I think it was not very clear. Sorry aboot that.

Here is the quote from the main post:

"24/01/2010

Uploaded a snapshotof the interface that outputs service graph.

This interface will provide detailed information sor a specific service visually.

The following items are displayed:

- Origin of the service

- Destination of the service..........."

It is implemented using the new API and therefore it is a part of the new version. I will be able to get a test release this weekend. Depending on how stable it is, I'll either put it in the main post or ask volunteers to test the application.

Also, intead of using SilverMoon, I have switched to the fluid controls (from the same developer) for the new interface.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Beefheart:
Brilliant mate, I can't wait. A superb application for a regular commuter like me.

I'm more than willing to be a volunteer to do any testing, I use this virtually every working day due to the frankly dire train service in this country. PM me if you're interested.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hodgep:
Excellent app

I would be happy to test too. This is such a useful app, and promotes windows phone as being a serious tool, many thanks.

How about putting the app on OpnMarket?