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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] utopykzebulon:
i'm on rhodium now... but i always remember my kaiser time ;)

ok so i took zimage from the original rhodium kernel i build initd.gz like it's writed in the tuto....

I cook the nbh, i saw the boot screen but no boot....?

do you have any ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
I don't know if nand boot is supported on rhodium so far. You should pm dzo, he's one of the kernel devs
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] YevgenyEfter:
A few questions about android

Hello,

I am new with android, and would like to ask a few questions. I read a few things about android, but still...

First, there is the initrd which android need in order to boot.

The zImage is the kernel of android.

What I want to ask is what is data.img for? Is it a file in which android saves it's data (user data), or it is a system internal file?

Also, what is system.img? I read that it is the android os files. But what does it mean? Is this file extracted to memory when android boots?

Also, if I download an application, and install it, where is it installed?

Thanks in advance!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
The data.img is a file that is created when you boot into Android for the first time. Android uses that file to store all of the data (also a system file) and files used for Android; very simular to system.img. System.img is the file structure and system files used to run Android.

You have 2 methods, HaRET (runn of sdcard) and NAND. If you choose NAND, you will flash your phone to run lenux, killing windows. Then Lenux extracts the files needed to run android from the system.img and others and loads them directly to the phone. This method does install Android on your phone.

If you choose HaRET; 1st you boot all the way into windows, then run HaRET. HaRET shuts down all the software and reboots using the lenux on the sdcard (It does not touch anything on the internal memory, so when you reboot, you are back in windows). Whie you are in Android, it uses the files on the SD card as the internal memory (it does not touch the internal memory). It is like running linux on your computer from a CD. The system runs off the cd, once you reboot and remove the cd, you are back to normal. Using HaRET "installs" everything to the sdcard.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] YevgenyEfter:
At the current state of port of android, is it possible to install widgets, and apps that I download from the market for example? Or it is app-dependent (some may work and some not)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
It's just resolution deppending, but the most will work.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] YevgenyEfter:
Ok, thank you for the answers!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wwnmt:
What am I doing wrong?

So I guess I'm a complete n00b on this one. I have been attempting to flash the NAND and it seems to never do anything. I have tried multiple nhb files.

I have an ATT Tilt. Several times had to go back to a winmo rom. Know doing haret, in android.

I probably am missing a post that tells me what to do.....

Just wanted to make sure to explain the process I followed so someone could see if I missed something:

Currently have the following files on my sdcard(the nbh files, img files, empty files, and system.sqsh are all in the root of the sd card):

/

...../andboot:

........androidinstall.tgz

data.img

datafstonand

KAISIMG-PANEL1-480-TILT.NBH

KAISIMG-PANEL2-320.NBH

KAISIMG-PANEL2-480-TILT.NBH

KAISIMG.NBH	(This is KAISIMG-PANEL2-480.NBH)

KAISIMG-PANEL3-480-TILT.NBH

rootfs.img

rootfstonand

system.sqsh

systemfstonand

Holding camera and power button I reset. It sees the nhb file, it loads it then I take the battery out for a 2-10 minutes. I put the battery back in, turn it on. I still get no install options. Sits on the splash screen even after it sittings all night.

I am going to keep trying different nbh files since I did read some users had issues with the 480 nbh with polymod's gamma release. The *.nbh, rootfs.img and system.sqsh files I downloaded from sourceforge. Got the data.img from another post and created the empty files with touch (filename).

Please if anyone sees something I am missing, please let me know.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
Try flashing the nbh and 1.6 dount build from the 1st post on this thread to make sure you can flash. I have also seen there is an issue with the 480 nbh files. If you can flash the 320, get it installed; then flash the 480, it will not mess with your data or system, just change the resolution.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wwnmt:
Thank you for the reply!! My wheels have been spinning for over a day now. Kind of makes me feel like a cluebie.

I have attempted many different nbh files still no go... Not sure what's going on there. Is it possibly I am unable to flash? I have an ATT Tilt KAIS100, but think I have read of others doing this.

Ok I am currently attempting to flash with the nbh and Droid ION Donut 1.6. Just to clarify, there will be no andboot folder is this correct?

Will update my results.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
For the method in the 1st post with the older NBH files, correct no andboot folder. Also (I am sure the answer is yes) have you been able to flash other WM roms?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wwnmt:
Yes I have been able to flash other WM roms.

Currently have the following files on the SD card:

/

..KAISimg.nbh (http://www.androidclone.nl/320-Panel2-20-01-2010-diagdave.rar)

..data.img

..datafstonand

..rootfs.img (Latest Rootfs download)

..rootfstonand

..system.sqsh (Droid ION Donut 1.6 / system.sqsh download)

..systemfstonand

all from the Donut ION thread. And still no go. Am I doing something wrong?

When I used the first haret install the default said panel2. It loaded and ran, so I have been trying panel2 nbh's.

I left the battery out for atleast 10 minutes.

Update:

I had partitioned the SD card, so attempted to reformat it to just fat32. Unfortunately, still no go.

Tried to do it from a PC got a weird error at one point should have written it down but didn't and wasn't taking notes. Can't replicate. Still unable to get it loaded NAND. Flashing back to WM rom as I type....

Any ideas?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j101399j:
That nbh may be the issue.... First try putting all of the files in a folder called andboot on the sd and see if that wakes it up. If not try one of the nbh's from here: http://www.megaupload.com/?f=SA71F1MT they are older and look for the files on the sdcard root.

Also make sure you do not have the androidinstall.tgz file and the other files on the sdcard. You can only use one or the other.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] wwnmt:
This worked!! Going to try again with the newer stuff.

So the older stuff seems to work, newer doesn't?

Tried KAISIMG-PANEL2-320.NBH from sourceforge (kaisereclair)

renamed it to RUU_signed.nbh and run the custom ruu.exe.

SD card has

/andboot

androidinstall.tgz

Following the same process I did to get the older version installed other than the tar file was in the sdroot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] MrPaveL:
Updated WiFI driver

Hello folks,

!warning -> This is for those who using latest GIT kernel code.

I've discovered that with Dzo's latest changes to kernel the wifi driver what we are using is not working.

However Dzo pointed me to try recompile wifi driver against latest kernel source, which did a magic ;) Thanks goes to him.

For those who aren't afraid to use bleeding edge :cool:, driver is attached to the post.

Pavel
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
Thanks, going to try this..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] YevgenyEfter:
Questions

Hello!

I am currently running android from haret, and would like to run it with NAND.

But I want to understand a few things before I do it.

When I install with NAND, what actually is stored on the phone's memory?

Is the kernel stored in it? Are directories like /etc, /usr, stored in it?

Will I be able to change files in /etc like I do in Linux on my desktop?

What are the ext2 partitions on the SD Card for? What is stored in them, if

the system is installed on the phone itself?

If I install an application, where is it installed?

Thanks in advance!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] JeckyllHavok:
Seems i make something wrong, i'm using myns donut with the 11.03 nbh from dzo. Bluetooth worked perfect so far, and i also inserted the latest wlan.ko from mrpavel and the updtae for wlan from myn. But i always get "unable to start wlan"

Could someone post a step by step guide on how to gettin wlan working on a clean myn war donut (it's the most stable one)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] MrPaveL:
Try the attached androidupdate.

You can check what differs in sysinit. And make sure that you've fixed permissions on /etc/wifi/ directory.

Pavel
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
In Nand, EVERYTHING is installed in phone memory, with the newer nbh's you don't need an sd card in the phone at all, (although I find it easier to store my music and custom ringtones on SD), when you install anything it is installed in memory, you do not need ext2 partitions on the SD card if you are running or installing from nand, they serve no purpose at all.

You can edit the system files if you wish, although you will have to remount the partitions read/write since they are normally readonly, in fact polymod now includes the Nano text editor to make this even easier.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] YevgenyEfter:
So, both the kernel and the system itself sits on phones memory. Will I be able to change anything in configuration files from android itself, with nano?

Also, if I install applications on phone, I am limited in space.

Regarding music and photos, can I hold them on a fat32 formatted sd card like I do now running with haret?

What is the nbh file itself for? I see everytime a new kernel is released, it comes with an nbh. Is it for flashing the kernel to phone's memory, or to install the bootloader?

If I understand correct what you said, I will not have to have a "andboot" folder on my sd card, right? Only during installation, right?

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
The nbh holds the linux bootloader, the zImage and initrd if i remember correctly, so yes, zImage updates require a reflash.

Like winmo, the more you install, the less memory you have left, you can store music, photos etc on sd card, in fact that's exactly what I do, once installed you can use any SD card, Fat or Fat32, the andboot folder is only required for installing, however even on a blank SD card android will create it's own folders to store some of it's own files, such as bootlog, dmesg etc, these are very small though.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] YevgenyEfter:
In windows mobile, I always could install an application to the sd card, if it was big. Will I be able to install applications to the sd card in android if I flash the system to phone's memory?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] hoatienii:
not support install app to sd card.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
Stuck on options screen

:(:(:(

I am stuck on the screen which says "Choose options for installation or choose defaults". Everytime I try to install it runs several messages which i cannot properly see. What I can actually see is as follows

installing...

tar1 short read

failed

failed to extract

the rest is gibberish. Where am I getting it wrong?? I am really miserable and this is the only phone I have!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
1st if you don't know what you are doing then you shouldn't do this to "the only phone (you) have"

2nd no one can tell you where you went wrong if you don't describe in detail what you already did.

like the saying...

measure twice cut once...

but it's more like read dozens then flash... (although flashing 100's is more like it)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
Sometimes it helps to sound desperate. ;) Ok, here is what I did to the only phone that I have:

I downloaded the androidinstall.tgz file from a site called Ponack and the Kaiser NBH file from Sourceforge. I renamed the NBH file as per instruction. I then took my SD card and formatted it using Fat32.

After the format I created andboot folder on the SD card and placed the androidinstall.tgz file inside this folder. I also copied the NBH to the root of the SD card.

I entered bootloader and the phone showed a white screen and blue words telling me to confirm Android installation. I confirmed and a progress bar appeared and it said that it had loaded software successfully. i removed the battery and replaced it after about 3 minutes and the Linux penguin appeared and the Dos text started scrolling. i then pressed the D pad button and went to the "Choose options for installation or choose defaults". I selected the Nand options as directed and it started running the Dos text again until:

installing...

tar1 short read

failed

failed to extract

It then took me back to "Choose options for installation or choose defaults". Repeating over and over again it still does the same.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Beackman:
Phoenix, can you tell us the exact name of NBH you downloaded? pls.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
No...that usually pisses people here off.

a 'failed to extract' sounds like a problem with the androidinstall.tgz

I am assuming your talking about the polymod version.

try and download again.

I have had issues with bad file transfers from my PC to the sdcard.

so that could be the problem too.

also a bad sdcard, or a bad format can be the culprit.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
I downloaded the NBH named KAISMG-PANEL3-480-ECLAIR.NBH

@mnjm, I have reverted back to WM6.5.5 and will try again downloading.

Thanks for the help. Will give feedback on my next trial
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Beackman:
Phoenix, this is the exact panel of your phone? try using a non eclair NBH, and download de files again. if you use the haret, edit the default.txt and change the values to your panel type and resolution.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] joenie:
a little question

Hello everybody,

I have read up a few threads... And I was kind of wondering: can I still use the latest Nand versions just as a SD-card version? (So I can run it via HaRet?)

Sorry if this is a real N00b question... :(...

Kind regards,

Joenie
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Most of the latest builds will run haret or nand, in fact my recommendation for those new to Android is to run via Haret, it's a little slower, but that way you learn how to install, what panel type you have, how to set up android, and find out if android is for you before moving to a nand install.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] joenie:
thanks ^^

Thanks Zanity! Ohw.. just found some cool installs... I will check them... and wait until everything is working ^^,

regards,

Joenie
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
I was trying to install the polymod but still failing. There was a little bit of progress though. I changed the NBH to the 320 and tried flashing again. This time I did not get any error message but the install sticks after it says the installation was successful. I tried waiting but ended up waiting for an hour without anything changing. Then I did a soft reset and the whole process started again.

I am going to try to install the warm donut and see if I will experience the same issues again.

How do you determine if you have the right NBH? Maybe that is where my issue is.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
I take it you did try using 'Quit' to exit the installer after the sucessful installation? So many miss this step ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
LOL!

How did you know!!! Worked out like a charm. All the instructions I have been following ommitted this step. When I used 'Quit' the colourful X was displayed and the rest worked out.

One issue though, I cant seem to find the function to set up my 3G network. I have tried using the APN button but it only displays a black screen and no other function to edit. Any pointers?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
To add a new APN you must first find your providers APN information, then navigate to the APN screen, and press the 'menu' button to add a new apn.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
I think my problem here is that there is not even a sign that the phone is accessing GPRS, Edge, 3G or HSDPA. Normally on all phones these signs are there even if you are not connected. On Eclair I cannot see them at all. Is there something else I need to install for them to show?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Nothing will show if you are not connected, if you go to settings/wireless&networks/mobile networks/access point names you will see any apn's that are avaliable, if none are available you will have to enter the information manually using the menu key to add a new apn using your providers details, which should be available from their website.

Due to these builds being experimental, all possible network operators and apn settings are not set up as standard, and you may have a bit of configuration to do to get your local operator settings in place.

You may find that your operator is incorrectly named also, however this seems to have no effect on being able to text/call as normal, my own carrier is Virgin Mobile UK, which uses the T-mobile network, and in Android it's named as One to One, which has not existed as a company in the UK for at least 5 years.

If you can send and receive text messages then only your apn needs editing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Beackman:
hahah very funny, the hard steps we maked but the easy step we forgot, LOL. cheers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
Alouis thanks mate. Am finally online and it feels great to have a breather from Windows.

@ zenity. Thanks for being patient with me. Am finally connected to the internet now.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
No problem, patience is easy at my age ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] krzynate:
Android install issues

Ok I got the nbh flashed and I am at re install menu

when I select install some line of code pass then is says

Installing.... Then it says cannot find androidinstall.tar

the sd card Has. KAIS.img in root and androidinstall.tar in andboot folder

I used 7zip and extarcted the .tgz into .tar and still not luck

I've download various builds and same issue still arises

btw sd is formatted to fat32

thanks for the help

Nate
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Have you tried one of the newest kaisimg.nbh? flash that and try again, also there is no need to extract the tar from the tgz.

To install all you really need is the kaisimg.nbh and the androidinstall.tgz in andboot, if there are still problems try another SD card.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
Make sure you have renamed your NBH correctly. In the root of your SD card you should have kaisimg.nbh not "kais.img". Try this and see. I also had several problems with installing but finally made it. Good luck :cool:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] RizwanKhan:
reaching same end as the other user. now however it finds the androidinstall.tar but than stops than install by giving me the following errors. please look at attached picture
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
There are no errors there, that's normal output from the installer, after that screen it should return to the installer menu screen, when you go back to that screen choose 'QUIT' and Android will boot.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] bteljuice:
i have a small question. I have games .cab, can I install them on Android or do they only work on WinMo
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] One Hype:
Same problem here. I've tried this numerous times and it never works. After hitting install it returns back to the main screen, I hit quit, then it says:

unable to open persistant property directory /data/property erno: 2

Please help.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] twinklesam123:
Phone restarts when camera app opens

Hi guys i dont know if u have the same problem as me, eversince the 8-04-2010 nbh i downloaded from Dzo's site... when i start any camera app...the phone just restarts, except when i plug the charger in..its works fine...and if i open any barcode scanner app...it just gives the force close message...any ideas?

happy that almost everything on the phone works :-) just the camera app is a bit annoying...since before the nbh's from Dzo's site didnt give such problems...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
I am not quite sure about that. But if you need apps on Android use the Market function. It will list all apps according to their classes and whether freeware or shareware
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
I have never come across that error. Confirm you used the right NBH for your phone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] win000:
hi guys,

i don't know where to ask this question but i tried android on nand and it works but know i want to come back for winmo and i don't know to do this...

anyone know ??
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
grab the NBH file of the winmo rom you want to revert to. Rename it to KAISimg and place it in the rot of your Fat32 formatted SD card. Then simultaneously press power and camera buttons. Then press the reset button at the bottom of the phone. You should go to bootloader screen (the tri color screen). Follow the instructions there and you will have winmo back in about 5 to 10 minutes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] win000:
thanks it works great :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] phoenix15976:
cheers mate
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] robuser007:
I'm going to try NAND too.

Can anyone tell me which nbh I need for kaiser130, normal qvga resolution, 120 lcd density (with gps changes from kallt_kaffe?) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=660158

or can I use another NBH with gps changes into (really need this to be stable)?

Here I found an NBH from 03-05 but without latest changes from kallt_kaffe http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=663125

Is this the latest release for the kaiser?

What's the date of release of http://www.megaupload.com/?f=SA71F1MT ?

I don't understand option 4 (method 2), has this been changed recently?

Can I use the manual for method 1 (maybe there are changes?)?

Are the openGL drivers not already in incubus's build?

Any suggestions?