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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
I think I agree with everything, though I don't think the WM UI is that ****ty. It's not ****ty because when you buy it then you already got a nice UI on it... be it HTC or Samsung or whatever else. So you have very different approaches even though you still run the same OS. And then you can even change it to whatever else you want. So really I think: WM got a great UI!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Duron23:
Yes, I am very very comfortable with WM's UI as it is now too.

If they are trying to make it more appealing or trying to add a little eye candy I am welcoming it :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] kable:
Please add 'I Don't Care' to the poll. I bet it wins.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] yo3gjc:
Seems the first leak screens on GUI have been reveled, let's wait an see the today show

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/15/windows-mobile-7-interface-and-device-leaked-on-mwc-banners/?s=t5
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Thanks :)

That's your problem. You're thinking "black or whithe". Again, that's what fanboys do.

In reality, nothing is just good or bad. WM and iPhone are simply different. WM has LOTs of advantages over the iPhone. Certainly more advantages than iPhone has over WM. But smaller advantages. WM has a few big flaws. iPhone has lots of small flaws.

They're simply made for different groups of people. You trash something because it was made for a group of people that's different from you. That's what stupid fanboys do.

Resistive screens are not bad. I personally don't like them, but they're not bad, they're just different, serve the needs of different groups of people. Again, you trash them, just because they were made for people who have different needs than you. You are a fanboy. Sorry. And now, please shut up and let us come back to topic.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KilZone:
I don't know about this new interface, but it seems nice. I like the clean style, but I hope it is really customizible, because I would like to see some appointments there.

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Also it seems that on release Flash will not be supported because Adobe was lazy. Too bad, but let's hope they will release an update soon after release of WinMo 7.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
Yes we all know there are more and more iphone fan boys on this board. We don't need to care about them. Instead we want to get more information about WM 7!!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KilZone:
Forget the iPhone, let's focus on WinMo 7! Did you know about the 'name change' of WinMo 7? I mean everybody knew it would be Windows Phone, but '7 Series'? Does this mean there will be more versions. There has been a rumor about a 'Media Edition' and 'Professional / Business Edition', but now I also read about a 'Starter Edition'. I really like WinMo, but I would hate to see that many different OS versions, let allone develop apps for it. Anyway, that was not really what I wanted to say.

What I wanted to say is 3PM GMT+1 should be a major moment, everything points at the announcement of WinMO 7 (Series?... help). Let's see what it brings, anyone has a live feed to the KeyNote there? Found one: Microsoft Live
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Live Stream here: http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/liveEvent.aspx

I heard they were just going to broadcast Rick Astley at 3pm and then let the world know that there was no WM7 and in fact, they were going to quit the phone business...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jagan2:
For those who have slow internet connection and cant stream the live conference.

Here enjoy the live coverage via text --- Here

Refresh in every min or two

For live feeds.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Worst nightmares coming true...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
Isnt this just "Project Pink"? MS answer to the iPhone? Personally I want to know about 6.5 and what they are doing with that
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] morpheuszg:
Yep, so much for customizing... The devices even have to have 3 buttons on the front as a requirement.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
But they didn't mention that there is no multitasking or installation only via MarketPlace... :confused: At least I haven't heard that.

That's ok for me as long as there is multitasking and other main WinMo features.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] the_ape:
So did the WM6.5 phones, they HAD to have Home Start and back? so nothing new.

And who's at Barcelona, that can rip that TG02's rom ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
No multitasking, no backwards compatibility. What's with the navigation software I've purchased? My HD2 is as much a navigations device as it is a phone. How long until a WM7 phone will be able to replace it for this purpose?

This is clearly trying to compete in the iPhone space. Aimed at iPhone customers.

But how is this supposed to compete with the iPhone without any applications available?! No way!

How is this supposed to compete with Android for power users without multitasking, .cab installations etc.?! No way!

Sorry, Microsoft. As revolutionary as the new interface is... this is not for me.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
This is not the 6.5 it was a completely different project. They haven't mentioned anything extensive on 6.5. That just means when MS releases that device it will look like that. WiMo devices currently should still work as is.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
We know what WM6.5 looks like. We have it running on our phones.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
Could someone explain to me did anyone from MS mentioned that there will be no multitasking?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sheennick123456:
same question........
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Pisca:
Don't know if already posted

Have a look at windowsphone7series site
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] morpheuszg:
Well, my HTC Himalaya is running 6.5 and it doesn't have any home or back buttons :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
well seems like in Barcelona they're only talking about the new user experience. is this just a layer on the previous wince kernel or was it really done from scratch? so we have to wait some more until they come up with more details on the OS that's buried below. at leasts that's what I'm actually interested in.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] the_ape:
The microsoft 'segway advert' was a blatant tek the piddle out of the iPhone not having Multi Tasking, so sure that's not gone.

And sure they wont break all the old apps.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] the_ape:
Lol, but hey I did kinda mean WM6.5 'native' devices.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] morpheuszg:
In that case you are right.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Therein lies my frustration. MS had the Surface with all the superb gestures and device interactions in 2006. It never materialized. Apple took that concept and made it popular. Hurts. What was supposed to be WM's crown is now resting on a pathetic control freak's head.

I like that spirit. Never back down. Honestly. But let us move forward and make WM a hit.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
I simply cannot grasp your arguments and where you stand. I sometimes think I do, but then you prove me wrong right away. ;)

In essence I feel we both are saying the same things but have our preferences on what is a feature and what is a flaw.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] slaming:
here we go http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8515915.stm from bbc click
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Oh, NOW I understand! You think a crappy camera is a feature! Well, then I'm sorry, now I can see clearly...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Right....:D

maybe you had a lemon iPhone...did you check the color?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
I had several iPhones... all black with scratched Apple logos (despite that I NEVER put them on any hard surface) and hairline cracks... yeah, right, that's what I call quality!

(...scratched Apple logos and hairline cracks are a feature, right?)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KilZone:
No they didn't! For now these rumors are just ... rumors. They might be true in the end, but at this point we just don't know. Microsoft (Steve Ballmer, etc.) mentioned things about a consistent OS, 'Hubs', Zune integration, just all about the physical apearance of the OS. What is beneath the skins and applications has been left out of the presentation completely. No-one knows about multi-tasking, backward compatibility * or anything like that.

* Backward Compatibility might be the only thing that was said something about. 'New development tools will be ready soon', which makes it quite safe to assume current applications atleast need to be recompiled to those tools. But then again, that's just me saying something and nothing is clear yet.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
So what is the problem with WiMo creating another device to compete with the iPhone?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Nothing. It's just that I don't want that other device that competes with the iPhone.

Doesn't mean other people must not be happy about it, but I'm not. I'd want to see progress on the development of WM6.5, but that's not going to happen, all focus is now on 7. Which means I'll have to switch to Android when the HTC Bravo becomes available - at least unless Microsoft pulls out some magical compatibility layer and multitasking concept.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
So far this UI is simply hot ****! I'm impressed.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] venelar:
agree. as much as i love the sense ui, all of these different versions just lead to more and more tweaks and stuff to break/not work. Just give me something that works out of the box. I'm really looking forward to it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
I don't care about the UI... but at least that will shut up all the morons who've judged WM solely by its UI over the last years...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
Understandable but only time will answer this question. MS may focus on 7 but that doesn't mean completely abandoning 6.5
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
They will support WM6.5 for some time, but no major changes, nothing special. They will probably dump it completely sometime in 2011. Was told that by a WP7 developer.

Guess I'll have to get used to Android, luckily I've got a Samsung i7500 lying around here... that means canceling my hosted Exchane account as well, cause Exchange support on Android sucks.

But let's see... maybe they do come up with some kind of magical compatibility layer and a concept for multitasking... but there's really no point in making us wait even longer to get those questions answered. We've been waiting for long enough. They either tell me the complete story and all I want to know now, or I'll just not be interested anymore within a month. Screw MIX10. Tell us everything NOW. We deserve it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
you sure you were not buying from the "street"?

I started my smart phone journey with the Blue Angel.

Still works....tad slow and resolution not on par with current devices.

Have a Blackjack....still working..no issues.

Have an ATT Pure...works great without the ATT bloatware (recommend PrimeII ROM).

Have 3 iphones in the family on top of these.

Dropped calls? Yes. missed calls? Yes. Dead Battery? Yes. Cracked shells? Hell No.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Duron23:
Man you are thinking too much negatively about windows phone 7. It does have multitasking :)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
If I were to pick the most annoying thing about WP7, without any hesitation I would name the moronic journalists who asked the most stupid and irrellevant questions one could ever imagine.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Nope. You can find millions of reports about hairline cracks in the iPhone 3G/3GS casing. Well, it's no problem to make a mistake... but to use the same cheap materials AGAIN for the next generation device, that's a biggie...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
How do you know?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
I agree...

However I can bet somebody over here is not going to like it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
eh? and why not?

Would you like me if I "user Interfaced" poorly on this forum? Look at what I can do, not how I express myself? Would that be tolerated?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Don't know. That's just me, you know. I told you people are different. Others care about the UI, I don't.

I wouldn't try to convince anyone that WP7 sucks because it only has a good UI. Like the iPhone. I don't say that the iPhone sucks (though its camera does). I'm not a stupid fanboy who says such things. People are different, and so are the phones made for them. They're all flawed (like ****ty cameras and bad UIs), they all have their bright sides (like good cameras and good UIs).

People are different. I'm not trying to tell anyone what he has to like or not like. I'm just saying what is or is not the right thing for me.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Frey I believe it is multitasking from the way everything integrates. That's what I'm getting with the consistent live updating, music, photos, etc.....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Of course it does multitask. It plays music in the background. Like the iPhone. The question is, whether third party applications are allowed to run in the background. Unlike the iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] :
Windows Live 7 Series

website is now live.

Looking good.

Windows Live 7
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
My actual worry is the data package costs because Facebook, MS Live etc... all seem to have real time updating. Now if that's the case doesn't it mean 3rd party apps such as Facebook and Pandora are being ran in the background?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
My worry with this is: What about competing services? Facebook, Twitter etc. may be integrated, but are other services allowed to integrate the same way?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
My user experience is just that... "my user experience", not the "reports" that I am not reading. Interestingly, over the years what I have learnt is that one researches when one has a problem. And then you will find plenty of people who have the same problems. Since I never had the problem of hairline cracks, I never learnt about it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Sure they would. They would have to either follow a predefined protocol or suck up to MS to add their "app" :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
What's missing in the Demo?

Phone UI

Browser UI

la la la....what will it be?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Sure? On the iPhone, they're not allowed to. Why do you assume that they are on WP7?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
It was mentioned by Steve Ballmer that they would be.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Browser UI was shown. I wasn't that hot on it as I prefer Opera but hey.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Yeah? Where? When? What did he say?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
Why would MS abandon HTC, Samsung and all other device devolopers like that?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] uniqueboy:
Did I miss the bit where they said if it was CE based or not?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
After the guy giving the demo Steve came up and said it was part of the "ecosystem". You can rewind and watch it all - that's what I did. Go to Steve's part and he said this was just the baseline to start the new experience and it was expandable and would be grown.

Didn't mention it at all.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Good news:

That kinda answers the multitasking question as well.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Where's that from frey?

I am so impressed by what I saw. I thought it was interesting the first business partner they brought out to speak was AT&T. I guess they are getting tired of Apple wringing their necks and not allowing them to have a part of the process. Ballmer was specific in saying the companies were not going to be funnels for the products but partners. Shot heard around the world?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Don't know whether I'm fine with that. I think not.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
please explain why you are not
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
I think it's OK to provide alternatives to having applications running in the background. Like push notifications etc.

But those should not become the only possbilities. There are scenarios where that's just not enough. I hate restrictions.

Palm has shown how multitasking should work. I see no reason not to implement a feature like this, a way to quickly switch between applications.

It's not like three years ago, where phones had crappy ARMv6 processors and a maximum of 128MB RAM. Today, we have gigahertz Cortex A8 and Cortex A9 processors and more than 512MB RAM. That's a lot more power than even PCs had several years ago. There's no reason not to make use of that hardware.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
really? how do you know that?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
If this (WM7) is the baseline, what is 6.5? the basement? :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Once again, you have no justification for multitasking.

I have asked before in this forum, what multitassking do you need on the (smart)Phone platform. apart from listening to music, writing email, sms, phone call, I have not heard anything else.

and then I am called a traitor :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
In a way yes. They said they looked at the landscape of the mobile market and wanted to create something completely new with user interface and application. They took your view of the the phone is not a pc and it shouldn't be forced to do things the way a pc does. I mean I thought I was listening to you chiks! (Booo - j/k).

Here is a video they have on the new Windows Phone 7 series website for those who missed the meeting.

http://www.windowsphone7series.com/news/News5/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Rim1Flex:
Fact: 22nd MOST popular search in the past hour!:D:D:D:D

Hotness : ONE FIRE:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
traitor! - j/k

I don't know if you saw the conference but the whole experience is actually based on multitasking. Not the way we are used to doing it, but in a completely integrated format where the actions are seamless and real time continuity is a very large part of the system. I mean this is nice. I believe this is what multitasking what meant to be like and why I was so dissappointed in Apple/Iphone. I felt that a company that is filled with geniuses, had nothing to hold them back and could take everything the other companies had and didn't have and integrate them would have really taken the interaction between the user and phone further. Instead what I get from the Iphone experience is a clean look but no depth. Windows 7 has all that Iphone did come with, plus depth. At least from what I saw in the conference.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Dang...my identity is blown. Better keep my trap shut :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
What? About the restrictions on the iPhone? I've been developing apps for it, I still have a developers account.

What justification is there not to multitask? There are lots of occasions where it's good to have something running in the background. In contrast, there's little reason not to allow multitasking on devices with gigahertz processors and huge amounts of RAM. The Palm Pre doesn't have the best hardware, yet it multitasks perfectly.

Again, I'm not saying everyone has to want multitasking. But I have the right to say that I want it. And again this is a case of you trying to tell people what flaws to overlook - typical fanboy behavior. Just stop it.

Maybe you should read this: http://www.strandconsult.dk/sw4031.asp
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
and that is the sort of multitasking where the (smart) phone does it for you, you(consumer) need not switch and manage tasks yourselves, kind of idea that I was pushing earlier when I was set on "fire". My example was the automatic transmission vs. the stick-shift. 20 years ago, the fastest production car would be unimaginable with an automatic transmission. Now the fastest car is NOT available with a manual transmission even if you wanted one (Nissan GTR1).

You do not multitask. The (smart)phone multitasks for you.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
I would still enjoy both. BTW since when is the GTR1 faster than the Bugatti Veyron which is a stick shift with paddles on the steering wheel and no clutch (F1 style).
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anaadoul:
and look here in the comments

http://msmobiles.com/f/viewtopic.php?t=25226
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] dwizzy130:
Hah, Touche!

dwizzy130
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] anaadoul:
Really it's a mystery. no one will know untill after

30 days 3 hours 30 minutes

http://msmobiles.com/wm7.php
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Eoinoc:
One great thing about MS is that they are one of the few companies which take backwards compatibility seriously. If you've ever read Raymond Chen's blog you'd get a glimpse at the extreme lengths they go to to keep old apps working on newer systems.

I'm sure some things will break but I'd be giving MS the benefit of the doubt for the moment.

Also if they replace CABs with MSIs then happy days, WiX is a fantastic tool :D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Is it relatively old? If there's a WM7 CE5.2 BSP, then it may be that the drivers we've currently got will work on WM7 (as in, older devices might work with it).

From what I've heard, that's not true. There isn't going to be a WM7 MSM72XX BSP, which kind of conflicts with that as there is a CE5.2 BSP for MSM72XX.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Currently, all the rumors make no sense.

We're hearing about WM6.6 Maldives and no WM7 at MWC.

But Maldives is WM6.5.X and I also heard there is no WM6.6 (which I think is true, cause why would they still work on WM6.5.3 if there was WM6.6).

Then, we we hear that WM7 would not be based on WinCE and even that it would share the kernel with a future Windows version. But Microsoft said they would not port Windows to ARM. And what about all the WinCE devices, e.g. PNAs? It makes no sense to support yet another system.

In addition, Bach said it would "set the bar forward in not an evolutionary way" - why would they still develop WM6.5.3 if they had a WinCE5.2 based version that "looks and feels completely different"?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] feanor512:
I'm as much of Windows Mobile fanboy as anyone here, but if MS drops backwards compatibility in WM7, I'll be switching to Android or iPhone OS.