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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mionica:
I can't really see how having heaps of free RAM can be a goal in itself - better make some use of that. I care most about usability, rather than megability (as my CEO likes to say).

Btw, ATM I'm running S2 JackFULL with a - guess what - 24MB page pool. CHT and all - and it's about as fast OldSchool 1.2a is with the default 10MB (which I did try for a while, with great satisfaction - and btw, the longest a ROM ever stood on my TP2 was OldSchool 1.1 with default settings).

I mean, really, I find perceived performance to be a bit more relevant than hard numbers.

Now, I fully get that dynamic page pool point - it will indeed provide less memory usage if that 20 I threw at it was never filled. However, my point was,

this

ROM is so damn well done, that you could afford to "lose" (potentially, though I doubt that would be the case) a few extra MBs and get the best possible experience (in what responsiveness is concerned) still for free. You won't notice the loss - though you would, albeit marginally, notice a speed gain.

It's really a compliment to your work, Jackos - you cleaned after HTC so well that I can be (pleasantly) wasteful and still not perceive it.

Try to imagine my case. I'm a part-time geek, but a full-time engineer. So I get to use my phone mostly for (1) receiving and making calls, (2) receiving and sending SMSs, (3) staying on Skype and email when need be, while not in the office. It is fairly seldom I get to look at the free RAM, but I do notice any lag on sliding my fingers over the damn screen. So the PP tradeoff is really good for me.

P.S. While I was cooking for my former Toshiba G900, I learned that having a dynamic page pool did decrease the overall system stability quite a lot. And, having found your ROMs, I have no need to cook for the TP2, and I don't think I should do that just to see whether that's the case for the TP2 as well - which is another (well-deserved) compliment for you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
But there is no significant speed improvement when you're over 14MB pagepool? :confused: It's like using a clean Windows 7 with 16GB pagefile... Does it improve any experience when compared to a Windows 7 with 4GB pagefile? :confused: On Windows 7 you're wasting HDD space, on WM you're wasting RAM!! And that's even more foolish? :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xefe:
followed your advice and installed lookuot mobile security too, 2 days ago and seems great. If someone steals the phone and hard resets it to erase all data, does it reinstall automatically or it isn't included in the rom? i use it mainly to detect where the phone is on the map
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mionica:
:D Not quite. Windows 7 doesn't execute from the pagefile.

OK now. There's basically 3 kinds of persistent storage memory cells:

- EEPROM - these can be read and written at byte level; both when reading and writing, they behave just like normal (SRAM) memory - at least those which expose a classical EBI interface (address bus, data bus, chip select, output enable, write enable)

- NOR flash - these always expose an EBI interface, so they appear just like SRAM (albeit slower); but you can read and execute from them as if they were RAM. They're flash memory however, so writing is more tricky - you write a command to the address you mean to program (or to an address in the block you want to erase).

- NAND flash - these have their own interface, so they never look like regular RAM does. Which means, you can't execute from them at all - you need to copy the data to RAM before you do.

The one problem is, all devices younger than 4 years only have NAND flash (and SRAM+DDRAM). And the page pool is the RAM portion where executable code gets to be loaded. If it's too small, "older" code (code loaded a while ago) will be evicted and the pages it used will be filled with to load new one, regardless of whether the "older" code will still be used after 100 more milliseconds. It's actually a "disk" cache, except it only stores executable code.

That's why too small a page pool is really bad for (a) performance - since you can't keep even all the SenseUI loaded, and (b) battery life - since pages are continuously loaded from NAND flash to RAM, and worse, decompressed during the process. Every bloody time.

;) Sorry to tutor you. I just thought you might be interested in what's behind the hood - you'll hit the like pretty soon in school, if you didn't already.

P.S. Did you ever wonder why the XIP is called that? Execute in place? Once upon a time, PDAs used NOR flash instead. Which meant, thec CPU would execute the code from memory directly, without any data being copied to RAM.

Nowadays, since there's no NOR chips anymore, SRAM is used - the XIP pages are copied and decompressed to RAM - after that, they can be run. XIP is not loaded in the page pool though - the kernel stays loaded at all times.

P.P.S. It's also the reason why ROMs can be compressed (XPR, LZX) - if you were an ARM CPU, you couldn't run LZX-compressed code, could you? But if somebody decompressed that to RAM, say to a place called the page pool... Now that's a different story :)

Btw. Try reading these: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsmobile/archive/2005/08/19/453784.aspx and http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Disagree completely. How do you know what pagepool is "too small"? If you use less PP, you get less used memory - better battery life. Dunno where you know your knowledge, but I made a lot of tests too see what pagepool values affect performance and with doesn't. But of course you're welcome to use your 24MB pagepool :) Specially the Oldschool version ;]

Ach, you posted some links, right:

That's why keeping the right PP value is so important.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mionica:
Check PM please
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Checked, but I still disagree :P
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nileshvedi:
Question: Advice Needed

Hey Jackos,

How are you doing? :) Just a bit curious; you posted in another thread that you do not recommend using Mobile Shell on the Oldschool & the Windows directory has over 1300 files...

What affect does that have... Is it why I probably have a lag at times when using Mobile Shell on my TP2.

Not asking for a very elaborate answer, but anything you can suggest to probably speed us and get rid of the lag when using Mobile Shell on your ROM. I prefer sticking to it as it is quite stable and robust....

Regards, :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
It's slower... The file system is slower to be precise. So if you want to use SPB shell on a rom a optimal decision would be without TF3D ;]

EDIT: Forgot to mention that it even does use more ram (yes, even with TF3D off)... But I guess with this rom you have plenty of RAM, so not a big issue :P
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nileshvedi:
Appreciate your Feedback

Hey, thanks for the reply....

I thought so too, that using a ROM with TF3D would be a bit slower compared to one's without it. So, would you suggest that I should try out a ROM with titanium or a plain stripped out ROM if I want to run Mobile Shell.

(Not taking any names here & do not mean any offence to any of the chefs making and delivering these ROMs, but have already tried out some of these) and the speed and experience is the same as I find on your ROM, hence the reason that I stick with it. Plus the added bonus of the WM6.5 look and feel.

Thanks for your feedback and regards. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ricardo1976:
Classic Start Menu

Is it possible to have the classical start menu of windows mobile 6.1 instead of the manila start menu? Thanks in advance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Jepp. LOL, There is a cab, registry tweak for this somewhere in this thread.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ronaldphl:
I would like to know how can I change the animated pop-up menu (show when I press a softkey ) to an old no-frills pullup menu? Thanks alot
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GWE\Menu]
"CUIHandler"=dword:0
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] seeM_ZA:
I'm not asking for help or asking how to solve any problems, 'cause I really couldn't find any..

All I wanna say is, GREAT WORK! And keep it up, and also keep it updated too :) This is by far the fastest and most stable ROM I've used to date, and I've tried quite a few ROMs. I thought it would look crappy 'cause its WM 6.1 but really, it looks great too!

Thanks for the awesome ROM dude ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BeEazy10:
After installing T-Mobile home button fix/searching the thread(found something about a registry and that about it didnt really understand it post (17-18). When the home button is press the start menu still pop up is there a fix for it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skyler17:
Love it

I've been using this ROM since its first release and I still love it. Faster and more reliable than any other rom. My only issue is that I couldn't get the GPS to work (and trust me I have tried EVERYTHING) Other than that, I couldn't recommend any other ROM more
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Maybe a T-mobile users issue only? GPS works more then perfect for me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dib_uk:
Thanks Jackos, Love this ROM

Fast, Stable, Pretty (enough). Moved over from Energy, didnt realise how quick my phone could be

Only beef is lack of solitaire and QuickGPS but maybe I'll find them after trawling thru 98 pages of comments? (search never works properly for me on xda)

Thanks V Mucho
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
I have had this issue in 6.1 and it was the card

Tried partially typing the name and hitting backspace?? The pop up comes, though i do not get this problem

funny:p

funnier:D

JACKO!! Thank you for this:)...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Skrobel:
I also slipped thru lot of ROMs, but this one is stunning.

I don't remember Solitaire being put anywhere in this thread, but I know that QuickGPS is located at StartMenu -> Settings -> Connections (seen it myself) :)

EDIT: I had older version of Oldschool though... I forgot about this...

I'm sure you will find solitaire using Google... ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
v1.2b is up.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] iris_aim:
thanks jackos:)

im also waitin for ur fixed version of bonus rom 6.5 with sense 2.1..when can i expect that 1(i fear becoming a stalker)keep refreshing page every couple o hrs...

sorry abt posting it here:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Today. All my roms get an update today ;]
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
I was up till 530 last night reading the thread to make sure I was well informed. flashed around 5. wake up do my morning thing customizing the phone, go online and BAM!!! Time to do it again...

Nice additions, hopefully this is it for awhile:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] iris_aim:
yayyyyy!!!!!!!! cant wait:):):)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
SWEEEEET! Thanks Jacko! Best ROM for TP2!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bsimss:
when i try to answer calls with this rom, it just sticks when i drag it to the side or if i hit the call button it still docent work :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Does someone confirm this?

@bsimss,

post your Rhodium version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bsimss:
ive got the tilt 2, running the 4.49.25.91 radio
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
As Despedidas(The Goodbyes)

I made the mistake of trying the S2 Smartmove...:p Its really nice.

Adeus, Adeus Oldschool ROM, you were very efficient!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
I have yet to see this problem. I'm running the latest version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mionica:
It definitely doesn't happen on 1.2a - and I find it unlikely it would happen in 1.2b, given the changelog.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bsimss:
hmmmmm alright ill try it again, i like the rom it just sucks when i try to answer a call and i have to call them back
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dryice1049:
I noticed something similar but it was due to theme related changes, and was fixed upon a SR.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
I'm using the latest version of the oldschool ROM and Comm Manager has issues in landscape mode. I can't enable/disable anything and there's an issue whenever I scroll down. Beam seems to overlap Wi-Fi and Microsoft Direct Push is cut off at the bottom of the screen. I task 29'd twice and hard reset once installation was complete. I'm also running the recommended radio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Cannot test it myself because I'm reconfiguring my RAID drive right now. This will take a while.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
Moved back

Tried S2... Like it, but I love the efficiency and functionality of OldSchool.

I flashed back a few minutes ago, went through my flashing/setup motions and tried to duplicate your bug and couldn't. Sorry, you must have a conflict on the device with another program.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
So comm manager works fine for you in landscape mode? Can you enable disable anything? The only program I have installed is Palringo. Hmmm...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
I think I know the answer, there is a reg edit for this, maybe you changed something in the registry. I'll tell you when I have my RAID back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
These are the only changes I made in the registry,

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\Manila]

"EnableStartMenu"=dword:00000000

"Manila://programs.page.hidden"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\EnlargeMenu]

"EnableManilaStartMenu"=dword:00000000
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
Will try right now...

Edit:

A little buggy, yes. But not a problem. I have the ability to enable and disable all but there seems to be a glitch where some of the switches replicate themselves afterward. Before this though, I must say, scrolling works fine. It isn't until I make a selection that the glitches begin. Though they are remedied by switching from portrait to landscape again.

I rarely use the Comm Manager in landscape so, this ONE glitch is nothing for me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] freaknormel:
I Want to test an other 6.5 Rom. But How can i make a complete backup of my phone ( with this 6.1 old school rom ) and restore it back if i dont like the 6.5 ?

( which program )

Thanks for the help
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HRQ.SLV:
There are several programs for that, just google "ppc backup".

Here is one of my favorites:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=299705

Cheers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
For some eager ppl who complain about the CommManager in landscape here is the registry key to fix it:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\CommManager]
"IsEnableHTCScroll"=dword:1

Sorry, I'm a bit late this time, but I where busy with my other stuff. Have fun ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] iamterence:
Jackos, one request. Please do NOT abandon development on this ROM. Its perfect in every sense.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Skrobel:
On the other hand if it's perfect, does it need further development? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
I never did and I don't think I will in the feature ;)

Unless I change/sell my phone ;) But that's not gonna be soon...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
Until someone figures out how to overclock the TP2, the Oldschool ROM will be the best performing ROM out there.

BTW, thanks for the fix regarding the Comm Manager in landscape. Works perfect! Once again we are left with a perfect ROM! Thanks again Jacko!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Ach, a faster processor won't help here much. If I could have 500MB ram I would make the fastest rom ever featuring Sense 2.5. Trust me, there is so much space for speed improvement... I made a speed rom just for test and imho it's running fast as Leo does. But it does consume over 90% ram... So it's not usable for daily use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BeEazy10:
The Processor don't make your phone faster. The Ram what make the phone fast. just like a pc. ^_^
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
Thank you:)

You need to update your signature Bro:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] freaknormel:
so that app can make Fully backup too? i thought it was only for messages, notes, call history, contacts etc..

1 stupid question: What does it to when i click "" make power best life times "" at the rhodium setup screen ??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] SergioBukin:
Thanks.

Best radio 4.49.25.88
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
Pretty sure a faster processor would speed up a PC in a number of areas. More RAM never hurts as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BeEazy10:
A CPU basically controls the action of a progarm like your OS, a game etc etc. RAM store the data for your CPU can process it. So the more RAM your pc have (4g for example) and the faster your stick of ram (2000mhz for example) the faster your computer can process the data, and run multiple program without a slow n your pc performance. (THE HD2 CHOKES!!!!!)

BTW RAM dont works when your pc off and all data is lost. ^_^ it not like the HDD.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
You are right and a faster processor would be able to process that data even faster!

BTW, I believe a faster processor would speed up our phones because if you check out the themes and apps TP2 forum, you will find folks overclocking their TP2's (700+ MHz) and as a result, their TP2's are performing better. Again, I'm not saying more RAM wouldn't speed up the TP2. I'm simply stating that a faster processor would not hurt.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
Yeah, sure a better processor wouldn't be so lame at all!

I just would enjoy more ram even more then a 1Ghz processor. It would allow to open more applications at once and it would overall speedup the phone (because cooks would be able to put more tweaks that require a lot of ram - for example extendir or just noobish cache).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Skrobel:
And probably 2x more RAM would not hurt the battery drainage as much as 2x faster CPU. Look at all the HD2 users who always have to carry their chargers with them. Is it still a MOBILE phone? ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
It's a half-mobile small tablet xD That's what I like in Rhodium - looks like a phone and when you slide and tilt - it does look like a small laptop xD

Hmm, I think that more ram would be more energy hungry. However @mionica would doubt this as he told me that more ram (used ram) doesn't hurt the battery life so much. I'm starting to concur with him, looks like my knowledge is starting to be obsolete.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DebbieNY13:
Mirror, Mirror?

I'd like to give this OldSchool a whirl, but I they block public file sites here at work. :mad:

Anyone have a mirror for Jackos ROMs that you can share? F1ip.net doesn't have a directory for Jackos. :confused:

Many thanks!

Debbie
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
My roms aren't pro enough to be uploaded to F1ip.net ;D

Anyone is welcome to post a mirror, my connection sucks right now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DebbieNY13:
Judging by what I've read posted here by others, regarding your ROM, I think many would differ. ;)

Eye candy and lots of bells and whistles are attractive and all, but I just want a ROM to just... well... work... period. ;)

I'm looking for something close to stock, with useful apps, that does what it's supposed to, doesn't lag/freeze... Basically 'a keeper', because I really hate setting up my phone to my liking after each flash.

Debbie

... Flash whore? Nope, not me! :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DADDYDC650:
I've tried every GSM ROM for my TP2. I always get suckered in by the 2.5 ROM's since they're all fancy but in the end, only Jackos Oldschool ROM wins out. It's fast, VERY stable and has a ton of available RAM so I can run multiple programs without having any of them close on me due to a lack of ram (sense 2.5).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] devdarshan:
Have been using V3 for 2 days now - no issues faced. Only S2U2 installed - all else in Storage card already installed. Running smoothe.

Any idea - how I can make the Program Tab in Manila 2.1 display 4 icons in a line? Is there a reg entry for this? I remember seeing somewhere - but dont recall!

thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
I saw a cab somewhere for this. Worked very well.

OK, found it:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=539107
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] devdarshan:
Wow! That quick! Thanks. Will try this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
You're welcome.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jpaul3767:
Brilliant, finally a rom I can stick to and set up without having to worry about flashing another when for a while. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
If you need some changes, of course i'll include them.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] zetajunkie:
Thanks!

I love the ROM! Thanks for sharing your efforts. I've been through 10 or so ROM installs over the last few days in the 6.5 and 6.5.x realms, and the responsiveness just wasn't there for me. This blend of Sense and 6.1 gives a bit of eyecandy with a speedy, stable foundation.

Side note: If anyone cares, the Dusk LEO 2.1 theme installs without a hitch, along with the Rhodium Dusk dialer cab.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ericc191:
I've noticed two problems, but they are very minor.

There is no blinking light at the top like on my Kaiser. Is there a way to fix this? Not sure if that makes sense, but it's like the little blinking green light and it lets me know my phone is still on.

When I have the phone connected to the computer and the screen is turned off and I get a text, the screen doesn't light up.

Any way to solve those problems?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jackos:
I don't think it does blink by default. It never did, even in stock Rhodium roms. Maybe someone invented such a driver for the led....

It's default in stock ROM for TP2. If you want to change it, go to Start -> Settings -> Rhodium (HTCpedia setting tool) -> Menu -> Text Messasing (? a bug in spelling, but nvm :D) -> Check "SMS Wake Up Event".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jpaul3767:
Yeah Jackos is right, I have never seen the LED blink unless I have received an email, text or missed call, just to let me know I have received something. But I have also noticed that leaving the blinking LED on indefinately when a message or missed call has been received instead of the default 5 minutes, the battery drains like crazy.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ericc191:
Okay ty I appreciate the quick replies!