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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hebbe:
why shouldn't it be possible to part an app?! :p

i don't want to be mean, but i don't think you get the point :) or maybe my english is too limited to express what i mean (i think this is it).

PORTING means you need the developer and at least the sourcecode of the original app. then the developer must be willing to spend a lot of time and efforts to REWRITE the application. with this, only the apps ported by the developers will run on the hd2. if someone ports an app from one device and system to another device and system, its (theoretical) not so import which devices and systems are involved (we're neglecting special hardware here).

if they say "i don't want to port", then these apps won't run.

RUNNING iphone apps means EMULATING the iphone (wheather the os or a runtime) means you just can take an original app from the iphone, start the emulator program on your hd2, load the original iphone app in the emulator and just run it. with this, (nearly) all iphone apps would run on the hd2. there would be no need to port. but i think this will never ever happen.

:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Tanmay®:
People here are missing the main point. iPhone applications are custom made for only the iPhone. iPhone has a very large userbase, hence more and more Developers make a lot of quality applications.

Windows Mobile on the other hand is diversified on the basis on Hardware. It's meant to be run on various configurations. To expect an App to match the quality of iPhone, Microsoft needs to layout a Minimum bar for the Hardware. And it is doing so with Windows Mobile 7.

Comparing Hardware of iPhone and HD2 is just senseless as the Developers will never focus on 1 HTC Device ex.HD2 whereas iPhone has this advantage wherein he has to just Develop for 1 Device. For Windows Mobile, Devs need to make sure their apps run good on both High End WM Devices as well as low end ones.

To convince a Developer to port their Applications over to Windows Mobile would require Microsoft to first establish a solid architecture for sale of Applications. Windows Marketplace just purely sucks when compared to the Apple AppStore.

Why would a Developer waste his time porting an iPhone App over to WM when he can utilize that time to make the App even better for the iPhone and earn way more money.

Unless MS lays out a stable model of this, we should not dream about iPhone like Applications which are good both quantity and quality wise.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] smuppy:
+1, porting an iphoneapp is, in most cases, possible, you only need to get the developer to do it since you do need the sourcecode. So, conclusion:

Emulate: Never

Port: Yes and no and is done by the developer, not by the XDA-community.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] rovex:
We have iPlayer on Winmo that can be used over 3G. Augmented reality? Its a useless fad right now. I tried them on Android and ive seen the iPhone versions, none of them are really useful in any real sense. They flatten the battery in minutes, and are less useful than a real sat nav app or google maps with layers.

We have medical apps, ski apps, security apps, local POI apps, and directory service apps.

The ONLY area Winmo lacks in is in games. The iPhone has lots of pretty apps that are endless duplicates of each other and most are nothing more than specialised internet search apps. Most of the things they do can be achieved better with Bing or Google.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] rovex:
Sorry but the comparison is not fair in the least. clock speed is in no way a measure of performance. The PS2 may be only 300MHz (i dont know i havent checked), but its still a LOT more powerful than any handheld device. By your measure an HD2 should be more powerful than an ATI HD5870 because the HD2 is 1ghz but the ATI only 850mhz. Clearly thats not the case.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Maltings:
I'm sure the HD2 radio is powerful enough to toast bread. Can someone write an app to do that by laying the phone on the slice? It might require the use of the flash leds too...:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] the-uki:
The whole point of this thread is that there are so many good apps that simply are missing for WM65, that people want to port iPhone apps to WM.

I'm curious to know if you really believe that by the time MS comes out with WM7 (which is in a year probably), that WM will still be alive?

As far as I'm concerned, If I were a developer, I would do what all others are doing: develop for iPhone, because I will earn 100x more for the same software package off the Appstore than I can with WM. And then you have Andriod as runner up. Look at the latest statistics published - WM fell BELOW Palm OS in popularity (!!!)

All that said, what's different between the CPU in the HD2 and the CPU in the iPhone?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] the-uki:
You should update your iPhone review. 1/2 of everything was already resolved.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
LOL, you're right :D and from what I heard from my friends, you can do more things after jail-breaking the phone. Something like HSPL our HD2.

Some apps in iPhone are quite good like ~

SBS-iRis - Show the next bus time arrival at your bus stop or other stops & even show the your location in GPS on far you are to the bus stop.

ST Times - Keep updating you news around my country or around the world.

Movie Theater Apps - Show the movie time slot, seats, location of movie theater & book a seat.

Dictionary - Which can pronounce the words.

Well there's more nice apps I've seen in iPhone, it's not just about gaming.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] moodman:
loooooooooooooool :D:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] the-uki:
For all those who question why you would want iphone apps on HD2:

http://iphoneoverdose.com/tag/app-store-sales/
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] imperiallight:
Converting apps between platforms

http://pocketnow.com/software-1/air...-write-applications-for-windows-mobile-others
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
Nice find there mate :D So it is P O S S I B L E
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
But what's the use? It requires the dev to develop using the same SDK, and it's isn't even close to emulating Iphone apps on Winmo platform as you've previously stated.

Basically, you're dreaming...it's good to dream sometimes, but this time, it's a hopeless dream.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
Dreams may come true, it's just some people who cant accept Iphone apps running on WinMo.

Yes it up to the developers to do it but with "Airplay Ideaworks" program they can save time

rewriting the script for other platforms. Please remember this, its just a suggestion & not a flaming thread,

giving an idea as emulator doesn't mean has to be one. Open your mind wider & don't be too shallow :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hebbe:
you really don't get the point, mate ?! :rolleyes:

running iphone apps on wm is not possible, as it's not possible to run wm apps on iphone.

if some uses that sdk to code a NEW application, it's not an iphone app able to run on wm, it's an app being able to be compiled for different platforms (android, wm, iphone os...), maybe without even changing code-settings. but you will never be able to take the iphone-binary, put it on your wm-device and just start the iphone app there.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] vladimir2989:
following same analogy you would have to say u can not run PALM OS applications on Windows Mobile but there is StyleTap that can do that, im sure is fomeone write an emulateor it will b work, as HD 2 gave the hardware capability, it just the fact that such emulator would violate every licence APPLE have...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] darklord69:
Yes I 200% agree with you. I never have thinking running any iphone apps on my HD2. If so, I'd rather get an iphone instead of a WM device. It's so funny that people buy a MW device but want to run iphone apps on it :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Icecubed17:
I just want Ping! so I can message my friends overseas. They all said they not getting the iphone, so I got the HD2 cause it's what I wanted, then they all went and got the iphone lol.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] anonymous-x:
Kudos, good find.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hebbe:
seems to me that there are some small differences between a palm and an iphone :D :D

but if you think these operating systems are quite comparable... :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Yann_H:
My post won't be very useful, but I have to say this :

I guess that I am not alone to be surprised and tired about how many people want to run iPhone apps, Android apps and even Andoid operating system on Windows Mobile Device.

I mean running Android on touch HD was meaningful as there was no Android phone when the HD was released and I understand that people want to run this brand new OS without buying a new phone.

But today you have the choice to get an iPhone, an Android Phone, a Blackberry, a Symbian, a Palm, ... and a Windows Phone.

All of them propose nearly the same applications but all these type of phone are developpped by different company with different approach of smart phone.

So choose your way and to try to get them all the same!

I love my Windows Phone and I don't need to be jailed with only the market place and no way to install anything else (Like the iPhone for example).

My HD2 is my 6th Windows mobile phone and we have useful apps, Windows mobile user's community haven't wait for Apple to learn how to devellop and get new features!!!

Thanks for reading!!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] the-uki:
Disagree. The existing WM apps are end-of-life, outdated, and nobody is developing the new generation cool apps you get on iphone. You really can't compare the two platforms.

Lets see however what happens when WM7 comes out.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Jammie_1989:
I don't understand when you say you need to tweak to make it usable. Mine was usable right out of the box apart from sending texts. Now with 1.66 works perfectly. Iphone has regular updates as well to iron out it's problems. You also have to remember that the Iphone app store has been out about 3 years the windows marketplace (which I agree is shocking) has been out since about october. Developers need time to adjust to different hardware to make the apps available better. The app store probably won't catch up for a while but after playing graphically demanding apps such as xtract and experiment 13 I wouldn't be saying that the HD2 is worse than an Iphone at playing Open GL games. Just need to be developed as the quality is just as good.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] leoni1980:
'mine was usable right out of the box apart from sending texts'.

I found this to be a funny line.

something has gone wrong with Marketplace right from the outset: developers are charging WAY too much for apps and there seems to be very little in the way of fun development or free social networking apps. Why for example did Facebook, eBay, Sky etc not feel inclined to develop their own apps for Windows Mobile? Or more to the point why are their no third party versions as there is for Android. The answer I think is that Windows has made it quite clear that they don't have much ambition for their own platform and have not pushed developers to contribute towards a genuinely enriching and cohesive infrastructure: instead we have a few ported iPhone games, a few overpriced cardgames, three comparibly rubbish Twitter clients and some obscenely overpriced productivity apps - mainly from the gloriously overpriced SPB bland-factory.

Sure Marketplace is young, but one was able to see the potential of the App Store and Android Marketplace from the outset; Windows Marketplace on the other hand gives off the vibe of being a non-starter.

I would love to be able to run iPhone apps and games on the HD2, it would he the first thing I'd wish for, but it just ain't gonna happen. Windows Mobile in its current form is on its last legs, and as a lover of all things new and modern it pains me to see my beautiful HD2 hardware burdened with such a moribund operating system.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
*Salute leoni1980*

You're right but I think Marketplace haven't changed much & apps are way overpriced.

XDA developers can create better & useful apps then the Marketplace.

But for now I'm using OpenMarket *Cheers*

Yeah some may like & may not like having iPhone apps/games in their WinMo,

but having some of the great apps will make HTC HD2 a perfect phone & nothing else could be asked for.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kholk:
Running iPhone apps on the HD2 is technically (but not pratically) possible.

For running them, someone have to build an iPhone emulator for Windows Mobile and putting in it an iPhoneOS image that boots into this phantomatic virtual machine for running iPhone apps.

This isn't IMPOSSIBLE, but it's unlikely that will happen.

Anyway, this wouldn't be a true emulation because iPhone and HD2 has got an ARM CPU, so it isn't a CPU emulation and in this part, the HD2 with an iPhone "emulator" should be much more faster than an original Apple iPhone.

BUT.

Think that the emulator should emulate the entire iPhone machine:

*- Audio chip

*- Graphics chip (PowerVR)

These are the only really needed things for making an iPhone app to work on an emulator (without an internet connection!) and writing code for emulating these things isn't of an impossible difficulty.

The impossible here is booting iPhoneOS in an emulator.

Think of a thing:

User01 writes an emulator for Windows Mobile of Apple iPhone.

He needs to deploy it with an original iPhoneOS image.

Apple detents copyright on iPhone and iPhoneOS.

Moreover, Apple isn't like Microsoft: they'll surely get the link down in less than a day.

The only thing that will be at least BARELY legal would be a thing like WINE on Linux.

Do you know how it works?

It interfaces the Microsoft Windows APIs and controls with the Linux APIs and controls. It isn't a real emulator because it won't run Windows in a VM and it won't emulate a different CPU: it only makes possible the communication between the Windows DLLs and the Linux modules.

A barely legal thing to do would be a program like wine, but for windows mobile and for making the iPhoneOS libraries to communicate with the windows mobile ones.

A thing like iPINE (iPine Is Not an Emulator, idea taken from the WINE meaning) would be fast and barely useful.

But this is only a fruit of my imagination. Things like this will never happen.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Yann_H:
I agree with you the developpement of new apps for WinMo is slow but it's on the way!

What people have to understand is that when you devellop an app for WinMo it has to run on a lot of different device whereas for iPhone you only get One device (With 3 versions but what can run on the first version can run on the second and the third).

I mean only one resolution, only one hardware and so on...

I think the other trouble is the MarketPlace which is quite empty (Except in USA) due to the regionalisation of this marketplace.

I guess it would be easier when WM7 will be released because Microsoft specify what kind of hardware can be used to make a Windows Phone under WM7...

Also the more Windows Phone are sold and the most developper will get interest for this platform!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
This did give me a chuckle....Winmo has been around for a long long long time....it will never reach Apple's levels in terms of quantity, but at least basic needs will be fulfilled.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Yann_H:
You have to understand that Apple and Microsoft have two different approach of what a sYou have to understand that Apple and Microsoft have two different approach of what a smartphone is :

On one side Microsoft is a provider of OS and their "partner" build phone to use this OS; The aim of this OS is to meet basic smartphones' needs. And you are free to have new needs and get / buy / develop new apps to meet these new needs.

On the other side Apple is a complete system provider. They want to have (And they do) keep the control on everything relative to their product. What you can do with, what you can install on, ... They create needs and gave a solution to this

I'm sure that competing with Apple in term of quantity is definitely not a good idea. Having hundreds of useless apps is not what I call a good MarketPlace.

Think one time : if Microsoft forbids only one apps the whole world would be revolted!!!

But it's what Apple is doing with their products.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] MSP84:
I would love if the Sonos-controller for iPhone was ported to HTC HD2... but I haven't found any apps like the one for iPhone to Win Mob. :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
You're barking up the wrong tree...I'm using a HD2, not an Iphone. I'm just commenting on your words that it's "slow but it's on the way"....If you didn't know Winmo's legacy, it's been around for more than a decade, I'm not sure how much slower you want it to be. :D It's on it's way for a very long time since it's inception. Again, don't take it the wrong way, not showing any bias either way, but just noting that your choice of words are funny in view of Winmo's looooooooong history. :D

But I'm not blind to the fact that the Apple ecosystem is very enticing indeed. And for all the yapping on their restrictions, they have tons more apps that we would love to have on Winmo phones as well.

Anyway this thread is pointless. Winmo will never be able to emulate Iphone apps, unless the developers chooses to create a version for Winmo....we can dream, we can show SDKs, but at the end of the day, it's still a very pretty pipedream.

For those who really like Iphone apps, your only choice is to get an Iphone, or hope that the the developers choose to create a separate version. There's no perfect OS/phone out there, all that we can do is choose what best suits our needs.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Beefheart:
The only reason I would want an iPhone emulator would be for applications I really need that aren't available for Windows Mobile. For example, National Rail Enquiries is something that I used everyday on my iPhone as a commuter and I really miss it.

Other than that if I wanted iPhone apps or games I would still own one.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
National Rail.. sounds interesting, so you will know the timing of arrival on it?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] imperiallight:
With a cheapo ipod touch and a quick shot of internet from the HD2 you can do most things.

Alternatively using an interface like Androkidd on HD2 you can link web pages and mobile webpages as icons on your desktop. Almost like a full version of the app (which was modified for a smaller screen).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] flame10:
I too miss several apps like

air video [simple wonderful video streaming app on the lan]

air share [remote wifi is a substitute, but not yet upto the mark]

simplenote [u don't have to think about syncing, it happens automatically]

some of the wonderful games [graphics are way cool on iphone]

Just don't get me wrong, I am enjoying my freedom on hd2 winmo , jailbreaked iphone is definitely not same, running a divx on iphone is impossible, so is running a separate browser other than safari or any other music player other than itunes.

I still feel winmo has the potential and probably by next few months the scenario will be better, we don't want a bloated marketplace.. we need a wonderful developer base a proactive support by Microsoft.. why can't Microsoft create more dev jams and developer incentives..

NB. Current solution for me seems to tagging along an ipod touch connected to an hd2 wifi
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] espaleena:
Connecting iTouch with HD2 internet connection via bluetooth kinda good idea too, will try that later with my friend iTouch.

Microsoft just need a great way on how to port apps from iPhone to WinMo

with saving cost on re-scripting it again.

Or they failed to woo the developers or waiting for WinMo 7 to be released

for more great apps to come by.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] flame10:
u don't need Bluetooth, use wifi instead .. much better

Agreed on MS
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] matthewharmon102:
i think the HD2 has set a standard for hardware for winmo devices. windows mobile has 1000s of apps, but has never really had a centralised place to get them from. this had made finding/downloading/updating apps difficult for both developers and end users. as mentioned earlier, microsoft provice only the OS, and leave the hardware side to manufacturers like HTC. windows mobile 6/6.5 have never really been designed to be GUI intensive (look pretty) as the hardware was never made avalible by the manufacturers. i think the iphone has opened up a new segment of the market which MS are entering with winmo7. i for one dont mind the set backs and delays. it means they are taking their time in fault finding and ensuring the system is actually ready for release. we dont want a mobile version of windows vista!!

the HD2 could emulate the iphone runtime, although it would limit what programs could also run while the emulator is running. emulating an OS requires a lot of power, but the runtime less so. before asking for iphone apps to be ported, have you tried searching?(and i mean proper searching, not just clicking the top 3 links in google?) if there is an app i want i can normally find it.

if you dont agree with the idea, I DONT CARE!!! i dont want to hear how you think your itoy is the greatest thing since sliced ibread. i chose windows mobile for the out of the box freedom, the fact i can play with the settings and change almost every aspect without voiding my warrenty or bricking my phone through an update. i can use whatever app i want and i have decent hardware. if you want your fruit based toys then please go away and let us continue to try and push the limits of technology