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[Touch HD General] veehexx:
@douginoz - thats exactly what i beleive too (or used to!)

however as i mentioned before, i had issues with a cooked rom (wifi or bluetooth wouldnt work correctly)

a HR cured it.

now this could of been a bad initialization of the rom from the get-go, however based on the fact that a flash resets the phone completely, it didnt correctly work *immediately after the first flash*.

weather it's placebo affect, i dont know but i've also experiencing slightly slower performance on no HR rom, vs a HR after rom flash.

as always, a bad install could happen at any time. i'm merely going off my own personal experience between doing a HR and not doing one. no HR after rom flash has given me atleast 2 issues. HR after flash has NEVER given me an issue.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] tstack77:
Where is the setting that sets the lockscreen timeout to 15 seconds? I still have a huge issue with pocket dialing and would love to adjust it down to 2 seconds (improve battery life as well). I know that it's not in the apk since the default android timeout is the same with the htclockscreen deleted.

Is this a kernel issue that can't be addressed until the source is released?

Thanks for your time.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] chuckhriczko:
The timeout should be in the display section of settings.

It actually most likely is part of the apk. HTC modified the settings apk to add the scenes feature in there. Most likely they either modified that part too or, even more likely, they just read the settings for the lock screen in their lock screen apk. Either way, this is what would need to be modified to allow for adjusting of the timeout. Now, that said, there may be a plethor of other places that need to be modified to allow for this change to actually work. Right now this would be a lower priority.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] gu1dry:
There is already a 15sec lockout option. Go Menu>Sound & Display>Screen Timeout (will be at the bottom of the page).
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] tstack77:
So you're saying that on a vanilla build of android there is a setting for the lockscreen timeout, and that the default android lockscreen is part of the settings.apk?

Not the screen timeout, the lockscreen timeout. In my pocket the menu button can be pressed, then pressed again within a 15 second window to wake the device and magically start dialing. I would like to cut that 15 seconds down to a realistic 2-3 seconds.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jonnythan:
That's a good idea and I'm interested to hear if it's possible.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] gu1dry:
Why not just setup a unlock pattern?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] tstack77:
Have you actually tried using one for even just a day...what a giant PITA
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] gu1dry:
I've used the unlock pattern since I purchased the phone, which I got my phone 9 Oct 09...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] tstack77:
I commend you then, I didn't last an hour inputting the damn thing every few minutes just to read a text message...but of course I don't need my phone to be that secure so the annoyance > necessity :rolleyes:

That said, the lockscreen should be able to accommodate the both of us, and I'm just looking for a solution that works for me.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] gu1dry:
And I was simply suggestion a possible solution. Also I have my lockscreen timeout set to 1min.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] miamicanes:
My personal recommendation: follow the directions in the thread on deleting unwanted apps to root your Hero, remount the filesystem so you can delete HtcLockScreen.apk, then buy LockbotPro & install it instead. The current version is a little buggy in the way it handles reboots (after you reboot, the Android non-HTC lockscreen becomes re-enabled and "first in line"), but it's not too hard to fix when it happens, and it works wonderfully the rest of the time.

To fix it after rebooting, you basically swat away the default Android lockscreen (menu-menu), launch Lockbot, launch its settings menu, un-check "enable lockbot", return to home, relaunch Lockbot, launch its settings menu, re-check "enable lockbot", and you're done. Looking at the changelog, it appears that the bug I just described is a fairly recent new bug, and it looks like the author is releasing updates every couple of days trying to fix it.

Note that Lockbot will "kind of" work if you don't root & delete HTC's lockscreen... but it won't work well because HTC's lockscreen is pretty aggressive about defending its turf. It's a night & day difference. (Sorry if I sound like a broken record, but as they say... there's no zealot like the reformed sinner. If I'd known how easy it would be to fix the #1 thing I hated about my Hero, I'd have done it the afternoon the first "how to root the CDMA Hero" hit the net :cool:

I can definitely say that my overall happiness & satisfaction increased dramatically after I did it. It sounds petty, but HTC's dysfunctional/useless lock screen (backed up by Android1.5's annoying & tedious default) really did annoy me to the point where I was starting to dislike my Hero. Rooting & replacing them with Lockbot really made a difference.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] tstack77:
Thanks for the recommendation, nice to see I'm not the only one annoyed with the default lockscreen issue.

I tried out LockBot all day yesterday but it still has one major flaw, any/every button will wake the device (not just 'menu' and 'power'). Each time I pulled the phone out of my pocket the screen was on, pretty sure it's the trackball constantly getting tapped in my pocket.

Had to delete it due to battery drain. Still looking for a solution :(
[HD2 General] RRibeiro:
I'm using a 6.5.3 ROM and all is working fine except for the SMS.

SMS only works in Traditional mode.

If I switch to Conversation mode, I can only see the new Sms, the old ones don't show.

Anyone has a Fix for this?
[HD2 General] elvismok:
same here lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tolis626:
Hi!I just installed Android 2.0.1 on my Diamond with no problems at all(although the battery drains damn fast,camera and bluetooth kissed us goodbyes and GPS...wrong!)!

However,having used the Hero for a while now(I have both),I miss the Sense UI.I know I might be asking for a little too much,as it is still under development,but is there any way I can find an Android build with Sense?

Thanks in advance!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Badwolve1:
Hi

Sense isn't gonna be on the diamond for a while yet, check the main thread

If you used search, you would of found that out, please don't just make a new thread for everything

Badwolve1
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] imrock:
has anyone had a look at THIS..i think if touch hd n rapheal can have it, we can also ( i got to the boot screen which kept looping at a lower res:(:()
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] nickschot:
Do keep in mind that the diamonds RAM is a lot lower and the ram usage in android is not very good with the current builds..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salim1001:
Did you try the SensePack for Android?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tolis626:
Yeah,RAM is IMO the worst aspect of the diamond...192?What is that?That's not only an android problem!WinMo also has issues with lack of RAM,especially 6.5!

And btw the reason why I created this thread was that I couldn't find a satisfying answer to my question!

Anyway,I tried aHome Lite(full version and GDE are paid and currently not available here in Greece) and it crashed like ****.It only popped the well known message that the process ahome.blah blah blah is not responding.

A question I'd like to ask is whether it actually runs ON WinMo or is WinMo closing before Android boots?Anyway the ****ty amount of RAM makes it annoying whatever the case is!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salim1001:
I got to the main screen of Sense Hero..

1 - changed startup.txt : mtype to 1805

2 - i took the zimage from latest eclair (Keep the same if you want to)

3 - while booting it got stuck to HTC shiny screen so i deleted the Swapfile and tried...it booted up but PATIENCE is what we need. it takes a longtime and too much of Lag.

lets keep trying it...Best of luck!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] nickschot:
There are android phones with the same amount of ram as the diamond (ie. galaxy/spica). So it should do fine but the build is just an early alpha :). Patience patience..
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tolis626:
Nickschot I hope you're right!It's such a nice phone!Why would it get stuck with WinMo 6.1(because 6.5 isn't it's thing) and get no attention?

Anyway...Will try Sensepack...Be back for report!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tolis626:
Well...First off it's laggy and buggy as **** and using it really needs patience!However as I see that's because of Sense...Is there any way to disable it?It appears to be working better than bare android...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] imrock:
the swapfile get recreated every time i try to boot haret n my sensepack always get stuck at the hero bootscreen, n u having it in fullscreen??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salim1001:
Yes Data and sensepack gets created .... Yes it came in as a fullscreen but it was too laggy so decided to put a hold on to it...will stick to Android Eclair testing as of now...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tolis626:
I suppose I too will stick with Eclair(vanilla) cause sense messes things up really much...Right now,except for unbearable lagging and countless bugs Sense doesn't support fullscreen so you have to turn it off,Wi-Fi doesn't work(unlike vanilla Eclair which has a pretty much normal connection) and many things cause Android to reset.So I came to think...Android is really nice and functional without Sense!

However,is there any way to port Hero's look to the diamond?Without Sense crap.As long as the device is recognised as the Hero it seems to work better,more smoothly and fluid...Plus I love the black menus! :-P
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] salim1001:
Try Panda Home from Market Place and search for Hero Theme.....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] tolis626:
Dude...I didn't know about panda home!It kicks ass!And it's really light!Less lag!And to think I was stuck with aHome Lite as my home replacement...Of course aHome full and GDE(?) must be better,however there are no paid apps available for Greece yet!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Diplomat2387:
What messaging program is everybody using ? I am using the Handcent at the moment but sometimes it seems laggy.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] fireboy6275:
Handcent is what I use! I like it, The feature that got me was the quick reply for messages. I have found that the lag has mostly gone away from the updates. The only problem that I have found was the option for the light up track ball does not work =\. I have the Hero CDMA.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jonnythan:
Neither. Chomp does not handle MMS and Handcent significantly slows down the phone.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] fireboy6275:
I haven't noticed a major slow down.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] vrundmc:
love Handcent, has very good features. I haven't notice it slowing down the phone either. I have noticed that sometimes receiving an MMS doesn't work. I very rarely get them so I switch to the regular for that. No big deal.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] thedudejdog:
Same here, I just use the stock messages app.

But my gf loves handcent she has it all themed out with different icons for each person ringtones ect ect.

Both on fresh 1.1 and I can't tell Amy significant speed change between the two phones.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] tom3k:
/agree

stock app ftw.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] REDFOCZ:
If I compose a new message, thestock app works great.... but I have hand cent just for the quick reply
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] gomorrah:
I use the stock messaging app with SMS Popup installed. That way I get the speed of the stock and can still use quick reply from the popup. I haven't noticed any lag at all.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] animal7296:
I was using handcent but wasnt impressed enough to keep it after the firmware update fixed the battery issue with the dialer.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] crunchybutternut:
Should add neither as an option, for those who use the default app.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] HERNANDEZ4LIFE:
Handcent. Haven't noticed any slowdown and since the last update mms seems to be working better. I like all the options, individual contact notifications and visuals especially.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ultivegito2:
I only use Handcent because it automatically resizes photos for you to put into MMS. With a 5 megapixel camera, I don't really feel like manually resizing every photo I want to send.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] PRGUY85:
I use Handcent because the stock app marks incoming SMS one hour behind so my text timelines are all messed up.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Tikerz:
Chomp does do MMS now. I used to use Handcent because Chomp didn't support MMS. Now I use Chomp because I think it runs faster and smoother than Handcent.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Tikerz:
I found out today that Chomp does that too. I went to send a picture and it said the picture was too big and compressed it to send.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] x99percent:
I started using Handcent because of the now-fixed SMS bug. I chose it over chompSMS because it supported MMS, back when chompSMS didn't. I have stuck with Handcent because of the reminder feature...

Is there another app that can perform the same function? ...it doesn't look like chompSMS has reminder capabilities.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] afazel:
I was using Handcent, then switched to stock. Started using Chomp a few days ago, but MMS wasn't working properly so I went back to Handcent. MMS works fine, and no lag so far.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] srkmagnus:
I use handcent only because the default app had problems with the phone at launch and never changed back once the sleep problem was fixed. I used chomp for a while and wasn't to thrilled with it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ItsDon:
This is awesome! Didn't know about SMS Popup - great app. I'm now using stock with SMS popup and love the combo!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theresthatguy:
Stock app and Google voice.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] AndyCr15:
I use Chomp cause it allows cheap international texting, although I can't group text, so I may move away unless they offer a solution.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] adelaney:
Stock works fine for me. Tried handcent, didn't see the point.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] johndoehizzle:
Im using handcent..so far so goood..i was using chomp as well a few days ago but came back to this app.dont know exactly why i switched back.lol.just wanted to try somethin different..which one u guys think runs smoother?..i noticed when i delete all my conversations in handcent it'll like stop working for a while.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] grifforama:
+1

GV = Free international SMS = no brainer
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] 4redstars:
if the stock app allowed me to auto resize I would only use it...but since i haven't tried Chomp I use Handcent...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] justpyro:
I started using Chomp to facilitate MMS, then switched to Handcent for the reminders, which are awesome.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] vrundmc:
I had an issue with the stock APP not making a noise for texts when I was in the middle of a phone call, and that bothered me greatly.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] johndoehizzle:
Any1 having problems downloading picture mail?..i click on diwnload.it gives me the "downloading.." then it goes away n doesnt let me download or give me the "save to sd card" option
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] johndoehizzle:
Now its giving an error.. "download of......was unsuccessful"...i update the prl..n thata the message it gave me right after....any ideas?..
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ajones7279:
ChompSMS+SMS Popup FTW..SMS Popup has the reminder feature and quick reply. Handcent was always laggy.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] dhowell1:
I have always used Chomp. I tried Handcent on two different occasions but it was very laggy... Stock app doesn't work for me because it wont resize the pictures for picture mail.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Aridon:
Stock won't resize images so I use handcent. If stock resized images id go with it.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] ajones7279:
Chomp resizes also.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] thematrixkid17:
Chomp's interface looks cleaner IMO, and is a slight bit smoother. I can MMS with it, and the settings menu is a lot cleaner and easier to navigate than Handcent. Handcent's not-quite-correct-looking widget really turned me off. I use AIMer for IM, and the interface pretty much matches Chomp, and I like that.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] x99percent:
Since my last post, I tried Chomp + SMS Popup (for reminders), decided it was slow, and went right back to Handcent.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] vrundmc:
Handcent is noticeably buggy. It lags compared to stock app. Also, it freezes up and MMS doesn't work all the time. I did like some of the features but I would rather just have an APP that works out all the time. On Handcent, speech to text was cool. I am hoping that in a future update, the stock app will be more robust.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] 4redstars:
for those using the stock app how do you send mms?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] vrundmc:
Either select the picture and use the second button from the left or when writing a new sms, click menu and then do the paperclip to attach...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] 4redstars:
thanks for the response but I mean more towards the resizing of the photos on the camera...if it's too big the stock can't resize...handcent and chomp do...but handcent and chomp at least for me is slow.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] jakechance:
SMS Popup all-in-one

Is it possible to get SMS Popup or another popup that is like Handcent where the reply and text are in the same window and you can swipe left or right to see other messages that come in while it's up?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] chris1486:
Handcent rocks!!!!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Texas Spectre:
I use the stock messaging program. Chomp and Handcent both had huge delays on receiving and sending messages out, sometimes it took 5 minutes to receive one.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
I use handcent because my themed version looks great and is blazing fast with my optimizations :D
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Newklearx3:
What optimizations? :)

sent from my pimp hero running Froyo CM6 and the XDA app
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
Runs faster, uses less ram to run, smaller file size :)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Newklearx3:
I'm asking what did you tweak. Not the definition lol.

sent from my pimp hero running Froyo CM6 and the XDA app
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
That is what I tweaked... the apk
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Newklearx3:
Ohhhhhh. Can you hook me up with the modded apk? :)

sent from my pimp hero running Froyo CM6 and the XDA app
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
Well, it's in Impaled Gold ;) If you flash the theme it's in there
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Newklearx3:
Na, gold isn't my thing. Lol I just want the apk cause the regular handcent is so slow.

sent from my pimp hero running Froyo CM6 and the XDA app
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] adam2new:
Nice conversation going on (i had to edit my typing, i typed "conservation" lol)... too bad I am okay with Cyanogen's default messaging app, so I won't go after other MSGing apps.

(why I used "MSG" idk; maybe cause it is the artificial ingredient? wait! that's not nice =|)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
Handcent has been running really laggy lately.

The popups especially. They are really slow.

The reason I use a third party app is that CDMA splitting is broken in CM for the default messaging app.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
If you run IG and the soon to come IR, you should see a performance increase :)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] zeropants:
Chomp SMS has automatic downloading of MMS content and now they also have the abililty to set reminders. They may have won me over on that one.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
IG and IR are..?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
Handcent has had both features for a while. I honestly like handcent over chomp, but the performance of handcent is unacceptable. Chomp is really fast on the hero, popup included.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
Impaled Gold and Impaled Red and the soon to come Impaled Green ;)
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] theimpaler747:
I don't see a performance hit with Handcent, seems smooth to me and I don'r use the popup, so no big deal for me
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] zeropants:
I used Handcent for a long time but I never got it automatically download the MMS pics.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] rhotondm:
Yeah, I have used both. I like handcent because it is half the size as chomps so it takes up less space but I use chomps because it seems to run more smoothly on my phone. I also like the look of the popup window much better compared to handcent.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
My reasons pretty much. Too much typing lag on Handcent for some reason.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] danbula:
I understand that group sms is not present on stock msg. Handcent gives you that feature and works ok.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] old_dude:
Stock.

On the G1 (rooted running superd 1.11) the stock sms app uses 4mb of memory. Chomp uses another 3mb, minimum. Both sms apps run concurrently ....meaning that there is no way to prevent the stock sms app from running also if an alternate sms client (such as Chomp) is installed. (And yes, you can disable 'notifications', but not the sms app itself.)

7mb-8mb for just sms is a waste of good memory.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Riff76:
I like GO Sms, newer app since this thread started. Pretty much Handcent but with themes.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] alexnaoumi:
I like that too, but it needs the cdma split thing. Also, my contact pics don't show up in that app
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Jjday7:
I totally agree. That's why I only use the stock sms. That's a lot of wasted memory indeed.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
When you run CM or AOSP, CDMA users need a client with splitting.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] Err0rist:
I used to hate Chomp but now I prefer it over Stock and Handcent.

The themes are awesome.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] MrPhilby:
Is this true? I just sent a test text to myself, and the stock SMS client (on CM6.1) split the message and I received 2 text messages...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
Did you apply the "fix" on this forum? Afaik, cm never split 160+ for cdma. My messages always failed to send.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] aiwetir:
stock mms 160 character limit fix

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=834588
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] A_Guy71:
I've never applied a fix either, and I have never had any problems sending messages over 160char. On my end it shows it sending as one message but on the receiver's end it always split's it up. I've used CM since nightly's became available and then switched to ASOP when it was at .7. Perhaps it is region-based...?
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] GeezyAF:
I think it does have something to do with the towers. Just read something about it in gamingphreek's thread.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] zeropants:
I was a long time handcent user, but I've used chomp exclusively for at least the last 2 months.

It seems smoother, especially during typing, and I like the pop-up system options better. I was happy with Handcent, but Chomp makes me slightly happier. Both are better than the stock in IMO.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] kevphan08:
GO SMS!

I'll be honest i used Chomp and Handcent for awhile each. but after seeing the article Go Sms! on the front page of xda i gave that a try and haven't looked back yet. The devs really do take care of the users and have to say its very smooth. Sure there's a few bugs, but nothing that's stopped me from using it.

My vote to the OP neither handcent/chomp, Go all the way.