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[Touch CDMA Android Development] vengefuldutch:
I'm getting a touch this weekend and plan on activating it in the summer when I have money. But I'm wondering, if I bring this phone to bell with android installed, will they activate it? Total newbie question I know. Mainly, should I wait to install android until after I activate it?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] sricke66:
THANKS!:) I appreciate this!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
sweet thanks! =)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
I know I know.. haha. It's a 3 year old phone! Haven't kept a phone this long in my life.. It really is a nice piece of hardware, so many times I've dropped this thing and hardly even scratched it! My gf even tells me I need a new phone, little does she know!

So how about a teaser from the next Warm Donut? Anything interesting? lol. I love coming to this forum and seeing what's new, it's a borderline addiction.

How operable is your diamond Warm Donut ? Last I heard they were still running behind the Vogue as far as bluetooth not working, and some other things ( can't remember)

on an unrelated note - Does anyone know if the Vogue batteries / extended batteries will work in any other phones? I'm curious now that I bought one. I'm planning on riding out the Vogue a lot longer, just wondering lol
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
Definitely :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
Seems like everything except for the camera and GPS.

They have been making great strides recently though. Just today they got BT working :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] xport:
Myn - fantastic work on this project, first rate!

Could someone share the patch files to patch this great release and get BT (particularly a2dp) working?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mrkite38:
If you're on vogue bt works in the base build. I think someone posted a androidupdate.tar that enables the high speed uart (to be used with the appropriate nbh file already flashed.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] dzo:
Full power management still doesn't work on diamond so don't expect more than 12 hours of battey life, also the display has 4 times as many pixels as ours but this means it's also slower so things aren't as smooth. I'm sure it'll get better but right now our devices are much more usable.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] weezertom:
i'd love to.. :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
Yeah, I don't think I would jump ship for a while, if ever. :)

plus They are going for at $150 and more on ebay, to me that is too much considering the marginal improvement over the Vogue.

Plus I ordered a 2000 Mah battery for my Vogue, so I am here to stay. Even if Donut is perfected I will stay in Donut land forever, I will be a happy Donut eater! 2.1 is nice and I see Msmison is doing great things with it, but if Donut remains the fastest, it really does everything I want my phone for. Google Earth is pretty, but do we really need that on a phone? Lol :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
You might want to take a look at this :)

http://www.calrecycle.ca.gov/ReduceWaste/power/rechbattinfo.htm#WhatIsMAH

The mAh rating is actually the amount of output of the battery per hour...not the "capacity" persay or the length the battery will last. This means that since our phone only needs 1100mAh max output, then those 3rd party batteries can actually damage the phone if they have too high a mAh rating, and actually last a shorter amount of time due to the lack of utilization compared to the 1100mAh battery. People buy these on ebay with the 'bigger is better' mentality, but when it comes to power, the 'balanced is better' philosophy wins out. In layman's terms...you could buy a 1300mAh 3rd party battery, and get more time out of it than a 2000mAh battery.

Hope that helps.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
I bought a 1500 mah and it positively does last longer than the standard 1100 mah.

I'll let you know how it goes when I receive it. People have been buying extended batteries and enjoying them for a while so I don't think they're a fraud..
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
I do not think they are a fraud..in fact I recommended a 1300mAh in my post. 1500mAh might be pushing it, but if you have gotten good results then great. I would not go any higher, since it can cause issues like freezing, rebooting at random, etc...and people tend to blame these issues on the ROM or other software. My message was just educational, for others too, so they know not to buy too high a mAh. Like I said, I might buy a 1300mAh one myself but I get about a day and a half without charging, then it will show 15% left, which is good enough for me on the stock battery

Side note: I find the stock battery to be much better build quality than 3rd party ones, and much heavier too, which is a good thing. This means denser cells, and thus longer lasting. If you get an extended battery, make sure it is heavier than your original one, or you may be disappointed at its performance :) Good luck.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
Say WHAAAAT?

I'm an Electrical Engineer by trade.

Lithium Ion batteries run at the same voltage as each-other, so a 1300mAh battery definitely has less capacity than a 2000mAh battery. The 2000mAh will last longer, given the same current draw. The 2000mAh rating means: If something drew 1000mA, the battery can supply for 2 hours.

Now, a 1300mAh Lithium-Ion/Polymer battery and a 2000mAh NiMH battery definitely have different capacities.

The voltage is locked to the battery chemistry type. Lithium Ion/Polymer batteries supply ~1.22V per cell (NIMH are about 1.4V, Alkaline 1.5V).

Now, manufacturing differences between two batteries can vary, and one may have a higher internal resistance (affecting the discharge capacity), but not enough to say a 2000mAh battery lasts shorter than a 1300mAh battery).

That website is right, but I think you interpreted it wrong.

I'd be more concerned that the 2000mAh battery only costs $8.... that's dirt cheap. Most likely it's poor quality (and not really 2000mAh, or unsafe design, prone to exploding), or the manufacturer is flat-out lying.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
Yeah, I'm not expecting any miracles from this thing. It ships direct from Hong Kong... the 1500 mah is treating me well so far.

Would you be afraid to us it at all? or just try it and if it gets too hot stay away? Lol maybe I won't keep it in my pocket for a while until I trust it - I've heard horror stories of batteries burning through pants and causing terrible burns.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Good, then as an Electrical Engineer, you know that 2000mAh does not really mean double 1000mAh, in terms of how long it will last. You have to account for power that is not utilized, and no device will ever use the battery in 100% efficiency. For example, if Device X uses a 1000mAh batter for 2 hours, then the 2000mAh bettery will probably last 3.5-3.75 hours, not necessarily 4 hours. That was my main point, that drain will not be proportionally equal.

Also, I am coming from a professional video and photography background where if you buy a battery with too high a mAh rating, you can fry your equipment...and not even that high. My coworker had a 2800mAh battery, whereas his normal once is a 2500mAh rating. He used it for 2 days, and had to send it in to Canon to have the board replaced. He said that Canon has to do a lot of warranty work in the first yer from people using batteries over 2500mAh. - Of course that equipment, Digital SLRs, is a LOT more sensitive than our cheap little phones.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
I always keep mine in my open top shirt pocket at work, gives it some air. Also, most of those overheating stories come from people who have custom flashed their phone (i.e. all of us, lol), to a ROM or OS that it was not originally meant for - but in essence we are in the minority of all phone users. Less than 1% of people with smart phones try to hack them the way we do.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] theppler:
Crobs, you are wrong here. The mAh rating IS a measurement of capacity. You say that it is "amount of output of the battery per hour". That's wrong. It's the amount of output

multiplied

by hours.

Think of it this way, if you have an 1100mAh battery pack, you can draw 1100mA from it for 1 hour before it is dead. Or you could draw 110mA from it for 10 hours. So, if someone were to purchase a true 2200mAh pack, and were to draw 110mA from it, it would actually last twice as long (20 hours).

That being said, there are many cheap batteries sold on eBay that are falsely advertised as having larger capacities than they actually have. Most people don't have the means of verifying the numbers so the marketing people make the decision to falsely advertise them. There are many different parameters that effect the capacity rating (temperature, discharge rate, pulse rate, self discharge, etc). Unless one knows all of the parameters of the tests that were used to determine capacity, it is tough to compare apples to apples.

But generally, if you do get an "extended battery", it will be physically larger and heavier and will require a different battery cover on the phone to hold the larger pack.

I just want to prevent other people from getting confused by your comments. (I'm a Professional Electrical Engineer that has designed electronics and battery packs for MANY years).
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
Sorry I really didn't mean to pull the thread so far off course but noticed a lot of engineers in here. would anyone working in the field of engineering mind me pming them a question? thanks :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Ah-ha, there you go, thanks :) Every 3rd party battery I have ordered on ebay has been lighter and weaker than the stock battery. I have ordered from all different reputable sellers, even one direct from RadioShack once, and it lasted half as long. I have done this for digital cameras, phones (past and present) as well as portable speakers, and other smaller devices. If you take anything away from what I have said - be careful! 3rd party batteries are hit or miss, and in my case 100% miss. (Lastly - don't be fooled by price. The ones I bought were not cheap!)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
Oh, I already accounted for that in my argument, read it again.

Battery voltage curves are logarithmic with % discharged. Not every battery is the same, and each has a different internal resistance that affects this discharge curve.

Your battery is "dead" when its ability to supply a stable voltage drops below your device's requirement. There can be still electrical energy left in the battery, but it won't operate the device.

Usually batteries only last 90% of their rated capacity. 2000mAh is a generic measurement, because the manufacturer might be measuring that at 1.0V, whereas our devices may shut down at 3.0V. Part of the battery discharge curve that can't be used as advertised.

Your case is anecdotal. Your buddy probably bought crappy batteries. Lithium batteries usually have regulators in them that shut off after they discharge past their rated voltage point. In cheap batteries, these components may be poor, or may have failed. You can actually damage some types of devices by undervolting them (especially if the device doesn't have undervoltage protection, or relies on the battery to provide it). This may be your case.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] theppler:
In fact, if the capacity is properly rated, they will be VERY close to proportional. The only thing that is different would be self discharge and internal resistance. What you are talking about there is only a 6% difference between the 2 packs in your example. Very close to proportional in any real life situations.

There must have been some other significant difference between the 2 packs. If the 2800mAh pack had a higher internal resistance, it could cause the voltage to drop too low under high loads.

The idea is to purchase a battery pack with a name brand that you can trust. Don't go for a cheap pack because it will likely have some side effects like you mention.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
so if that's the case then it's a good thing that this has a larger back battery cover then right?

ANYWAYS I'll just let you know how my experience is and then if any others want to follow the guinea pig with the flaming phone in his pocket... :D;)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crobs808:
Super. now, back to myn's Rom.

myn - do you want me to post a buglist here? I have about 30 of them documented on my desktop. Just let me know :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
If you want a battery that's less likely to explode in your pocket (protect your junk, man!):

http://www.seidioonline.com/category-s/29.htm

Also keep in mind the rule of thumb:

Lithium Ion/Polymer cells deteriorate 10-15% for each year since manufacture AND 500 full-discharges.

The two effects are cumulative I believe... meaning after a year you likely reduced your battery by 20%.

Simply getting a new stock battery can increase your battery life in that respect.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Stevevo:
I bought an extended battery for my vogue a year ago from SF Planet and it is a 2000 mAh battery and it only cost $14.99 and it has worked for me for over a year and it lasts twice as long as the standard battery the came with the phone. So in my experience the cost was cheap and the benifit was great. Case Closed.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] CasopoliS:
Does not seem to be for sale there anymore. :(
[Touch CDMA Android Development] gedster314:
In regards to batteries for the Vogue. I've had the Seidio 2000mah battery for 2+ years now. The battery has out lived the battery door, it comes off just by putting it in your pocket. Seidio wanted $15 for a replacement door, I thought that was a little excessive. That battery use to give 6.5 to 7 hours of nonstop audio streaming from the web with bluetooth headphones, running WinMo 6.1. After 2 years, it's down to about 5ish. I really don't need that much streaming anymore. For some reason Android takes for a very long time to charge the big battery from a usb port, the stock battery is really quick.

The only other thing I want from Donut is the ability to dictate anywhere the keyboard pops up, like on the Nexus one. It may not be possible since the Nexus is running the Snapdragon. What Voice recognition Donut has is quite good, just a little slow in popping up. Just a little fine tunning in the a2dp and I think it's a perfect.

I still like my 3GS better but Android on the Vogue is still fun. To bad we can't hack wifi and a better display on to the Vogue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Barogi44:
Is there any way to disable or mute the usb notification sound?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] celticchrys:
Myn the magnificent(overage charges)

Myn,

Don't feel too bad about this. I didn't check in for a few weeks, so I didn't get the update when you published it. If I had checked in sooner, I could have avoided my problem. I do see it as my own fault. I wanted to post the note above in case anyone else had missed or put off updating, so they would see it was important.

There are always risks that a person runs when unlocking/flashing/etc., and I knew this before I started experimenting with my vogue. Overall, it's been great fun.

From now on, I'm going to run data counting/usage monitoring apps so that this never happens again. My carrier cannot auto-notify me of going over data as they can for voice or text(I've strongly suggested it), so I'll track it myself from now on.

Thanks to you and dzo and all of the other who have put in such great work on this project.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Stevevo:
http://www.sfplanet.com/category/ce..._touch_p3450_battery_pack_replacement_battery

It is for the GSM phone so you have to order the back cover seperately from the battery but for 12.99 it works good. I got the cover from another company but can't find the information right now. It was only 5.99 for that.

Good luck
[Touch CDMA Android Development] celticchrys:
unlimited plans

The salesman told me it was unlimited when I signed the contract, but I didn't read all fine print. USCC does have in very fine hidden print on their web site that there is a 5GB limit. Technically I should have read it all, or bugged them until I got a clear answer, but it is rather underhanded as a sales tactic.

It's a shame, because I've otherwise had great service so far.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] gedster314:
All the phone companies are going to start the 5GB cap for SmartPhones. With the ATT's data woes with the Iphone, I'm surprised that they have not capped the Iphone yet.

I'll keep my Sero plan, with company discount its less then $25/month, it won't kill me paying that. It's nice to have the Titan with the big battery working like a wifi router and since the Vogue has the same esn it's painless to take Android out and play. Iphone, Htc Titan, Htc Vogue and Google Voice to rule them all!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jnadke:
SERO here! $30 unlim data/text/ 450 talk minutes rules!

I may switch to Diamond once it matures for WiFi, though I'm apprehensive since battery life = teh suck there.

I like my Vogue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
I can definitely vouch on the power management not being close to the vogue. Your recent kernel enhancements now allow us to get days out of our phones without a charge! Pretty outstanding.

As far as speed goes though at least with the latest XDANDROID 2.01 build I tested and Warm Donut I ported last night, they both seem faster than what I have experienced on my vogue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
what are you guys using to moniter data usage? Everything i've tried doesnt work. Data usage always stays at 0 download and 0 upload. Thanks
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
sprint website :-P
[Touch CDMA Android Development] JM-PDA:
I've used "3G WATCHDOG" available for free on Android Market.

It works well.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
x2. Great app for monitoring bandwidth.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] sswalia:
Kaiser Issues

first off i'd like to thank myn for this awesome build

That said, i would love some help on a few issues im having.

Disclaimer: (some of these questions are a little stupid)

I have a Kaiser running the 320x480 build at 120 density from NAND

1) What am i doing wrong with applying my wifi patch?

I cant for the life of me get the kaiser wifi update to install correctly. I downloaded the androidupdate.zip file that also had the 120 density tweak and i renamed it to androidupdate.tar and placed it in the andboot file on my sd.

when i try to update using the installer menu, linux says that i have "incorrect magic" on my androidupdate and it doesnt update. I'm not really sure what im doing wrong here.

2) Is there a .nbh file for the kaiser that supports 240x320 resolution?

I looked through dzo's files and also scourgeforge and i couldnt find a tilt or kaiser .nbh with that support.

3) Is anybody else having random long slowdowns with rebooting from soft resets?

It seems like every 3rd or 4th time i boot android up from nand, the linux takes forever to get to the android flash screen. Most of the time (after waiting 10 or so min) i end up just reflashing the .nbh and then all is well again- for a while.

4) Last question is - do i need a special program to zip files into .tar? how do i make sure the permissions are correct?

Thanks in advance
[Touch CDMA Android Development] dzo:
1) you probably have to unzip the update

2) look for kaisimg-panelX-320-tilt-15-02-10.nbh on my site, they are all there.

3) pull the battery before rebooting

4) yes, use a linux box or cygwin. tar will preserve the permissions.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vengefuldutch:
I got my vogue last night, within 2 hours I had android installed to NAND and running flawlessly. Thank you myn, and the other guy who wrote the easy install guide.

Now I'm regretting playing with it until 2 am, instead studying for a Computer Science midterm. Damn Androids addictingness.

OH one question- I realize the vogue's camera is nothing special at all, but I see the quality gets much worse in android compared to WM. Is there a fix for this?

-dustin
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drewden123:
Currently, there's not much of a fix for the camera quality. You can try holding the volume down (i believe) when in camera to change the shutter speed or something, but make sure you hold the phone still while taking the picture or it won't focus right
[Touch CDMA Android Development] smarcin:
+3 for 3G Watchdog. You tell it how much data you get to use for the month(5GB or whatever), tell it what day of the month your data plan refreshes, and then it will notify you if you are getting to the limit you set. Also, you can tell it to shut down 3G if you are at 99%, or whatever % you choose. I downloaded it "just in case," after there were problems with the over the air update causing a lot of data to run through. This problem has been fixed, though, if you are using a really new kernel/build. I have an old SERO plan, but still don't want to get flagged or anything.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] superevilllama:
myn, first off your build of Android made me go get a touch to use it on and I have been loving it ever since. The guys over at PPCGeeks have come a long ways on porting it over to the CDMA TP2 and have mostly everything working.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=109147

Got a question for you.. I see you have also bee working on bringing your build to the TP1 and Diamond. Any thoughts on bringing it To CDMA TP2? This would be absolute bliss for me ;)

Anyways, awesome work. Best I have used yet!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
Thanks for the kind words.

I JUST saw that MrPippy got CDMA data and SMS working on the TP2 just this morning. This is huge for the TP2 Android scene.

The TP2 device IMHO is one of the nicest devices if not the nicest device that is compatible with Sprint SERO.

I'll see what I can do to get Warm Donut working on the TP2. My brother-in-law has one and I'd love to see it working on this device :)

I've got the Diamond and TP1 Warm Donut rom in beta right now. If anyone else is interested let me know and I'll send you a link to it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] berardi:
TP2 would be amazing... even tho I don't wanna pay that much money for it!

Meh, they really have a long way to go though, lol. We are refining our bluetooth with AD2P and they don't even have data =/ Time will change that I'm sure, but just sayin :)

Not working:

CDMA Data

Speaker

GPS

Camera

Bluetooth

Much Much more...

hey myn how is the next warm donut update looking? My greedy little paws are ready ;)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] superevilllama:
Awesome! I just danced around a bit haha. Thanks again for all the hard work.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] OldGaf:
I just installed in my Bell Vogue's NAND.... OMG.... it is a new phone!

The work done on this is simply outstanding.

Question..

I have DarkStar Themed - [RLS 3]...

If I want the keypad from one of the other themes.... can I simply make a androidupdate.tar with just the phone.apk file in it and run update process?

-OG-
[Touch CDMA Android Development] j8971:
Dzo,

Sorry to respond so late. Got tied up. I have two questions:

1) Am I to use a terminal on my phone in WM upon rebooting or in Andriod? (Please remember that I use the nomorootf on SD).

2) What file am I copying? Do you mean copy the text that will show up after I type the line below:

su

cat /proc/last_kmsg > /sdcard/lk

Also, I my radio is 3.42.30. I know it's not the latest, but even Myn stated that he uses the same radio.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Reddog80p:
X2 LOL :).....
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Reddog80p:
Theme request

Myn - Can you please port this theme. The launcher is pretty sick.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=623686&highlight=csdi
[Touch CDMA Android Development] incubus26jc:
and this one haha

http://www.nexus-nation.com/nexus-nation-forum?func=view&catid=5&id=507

EDIT: i think its for 2.1 only
[Touch CDMA Android Development] myn:
Thanks.

Regarding the keypad. Yes you can. Use both Contacts.apk and Phone.apk :)