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[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
This doesnt answer to the points that I brought up.
[Droid Eris Android Development] jamezelle:
+1 ten char
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Huh?..........
[Droid Eris Android Development] hallstevenson:
I

Honestly, what can a person like that contribute ?

And probably remain that way. I'd think only a small group of qualified & capable people have access to all of the "developers.
[Droid Eris Android Development] jamezelle:
It's more of a real time approch we can actually discuss things without the wait of forums....
[Droid Eris Android Development] mj_b90:
What about setting it so that only those granted voice could talk freely. That way anyone could join and lurk, while only those who need to could talk. It'd also be easier to have a person join the channel and pm a op for voice rather than going through thefuzz via PM here. Just a suggestion, I'd really like to see how it's going in there.

Also, thanks to the dev team for all your hard work!
[Droid Eris Android Development] Framework43:
Yes, but someone could easily take the information from the stuff we write there, try to use it to get root just so they can have the bounty.

None of the devs care about the money, we just want root.

EDIT:;

LOL , this was literally a few minutes ago

click and read

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8356/rootwtflol.png
[Droid Eris Android Development] tdavis42:
I love how everyone is so negative at the end of the link Framework posted. Just because he isn't known he is full of BS? We are blindly hoping you guys root the Eris and we are not calling you full of s*&t (well most of us are not). You guys should be more positive, he didn't give you any reason to say that did he?
[Droid Eris Android Development] quahog:
Point

Bountys are no good, and this is exactly why. It hinders and closes development off to a select few, also prohibitiny participation by newer members eager to learn and watch. Prime Example, Notice the quote about Not wanting the money just root, then right back to bounty. If that's all your really out for, and don't care about the community continue on your path. Just kinda sad, that's all.
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Please no swearing in the thread, it is listed in the rules on first page :)

And nobody i think is being negative, I created this thread for a Positive Outlook and Team for Root!

We all want the same thing, but from time to time people will butt heads and irritate eachother, thats just life :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] Framework43:
The problem with things like that is that most of the times, people set up scams like that and say they can do things like "root" the eris because other android forums have done so. This user has given us false information and gave us problems before, which is why we don't really believe him (and really didn't explain it well), but hey, if his "friend" wants to do root and gets it, he's more then welcome to come to xda and release it for the bounty. Thats what its for.

As for the rest of us, we are still working on the goal and believe that donations go to /dev/null/.
[Droid Eris Android Development] nindoja:
So my thought is that the bounty should be eliminated, I agree with what quahog is saying.

My hesitation to offer that guy the bounty is that he was only willing to work if he was going to get paid. This leads me to think that he could be trying to trick us into thinking he has root to give him the bounty.

This guy just proves quahog's point that it is closing off development. We in the channel are all about finding exploits, heck most of the ones posted can't even work but we are glad to have people posting them.

Today has been a slow day in the channel with most of the major players busy or not there, so if you join and see nothing please don't think we are hiding out in another channel. If we had logs to post of Sunday that'd be a great testament to what we are trying to accomplish in the channel. There were a select few people that didn't know much about the exploit process but were posting potential exploits left and right for us more experienced guys to evaluate.

I'm going to get back to some homework but hopefully will be able to devote myself more to the root cause tomorrow.
[Droid Eris Android Development] nindoja:
Quoted For Truth.
[Droid Eris Android Development] tdavis42:
Read the first line again. I did not say people here were negative but that in the end of the link that was posted people were negative. :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] mj_b90:
I also want to point out to everyone worried about the closed channel that they're not actively blocking anyone from the channel, just trying to keep it from becoming a free for all chat. I just joined today and I've already seen that there are other inexperienced people in there like myself that they have no problem inviting in.
[Droid Eris Android Development] quahog:
So,

Running anything off the SD card is a no-no correct? Due to being mounted w/ nosuid? I asked this on IRC, just clarifying... Wondering if maybe there is a sploit we can use to bypass this as opposed to the shell code theory... As in a su with the needed permissions from a rooted hero, on our SD card. I've been told it cant be run from SD card due to the way the SD card is mounted... Is there a sploit that can modify the way a filesystem or permissons are handled during runtime through the kernel? Or maybe some other service etc
[Droid Eris Android Development] nindoja:
Taking a file that has SUID and putting in on our SD card will just reset the permissions to remove the SUID.
[Droid Eris Android Development] jcase:
Can someone tell me the irc Server that is being used, and where to request an invite at?
[Droid Eris Android Development] nindoja:
irc.thefuzz4.net channel #RootTheEris - no invite needed.
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
Agreed, come join :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] albanianbrotha:
i r trim

i'll try to learn to help you out, but dang it's difficult =|
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
Dont give up, programming is very tough and tough to wrap your mind around, PM me for more info ill try my best to get you on track :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] Whitepaint:
Hey guys, been lurking/learning since the root effort began, and wanted to tell everyone thanks for all the hard work, time, and effort that is going into opening this phone up for the community! If I happen across anything of interest in my own far-fetched attempts at root everyone here will be the first to know.
[Droid Eris Android Development] Ffej5647:
I am a lil late on posting this but I want my opinion heard! lol The bounty should not be eliminated so shut up! If people want to just work for the money and not the community fine and if I decided to be a dev on rooting, I would work for the money more than the community because I am new to this community and I know no one plus I would need the money just like anyone else who is rooting only for the money. There is no problem with just doing the work for only the money it is that person's way of thinking and their views and everyone has different views. Maybe in the future I would want to work for the community but I am not going to lie, the only ones I think are normal here are acid, zifnab, framework, and a couple of others who don't argue and annoy gay little crap all the time. It an online forum not the end of the world so stop arguing little petty crap! And the bounty is a kind of thank you and a bribe to get root!

Thank you everyone for your time! :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] Framework43:
We all respect each others opinion and listen to yours and you told others to shut up about their opinion. But I do see your point. There is no point in "internet drama" , its is a waste of time.
[Droid Eris Android Development] morphius2036:
Money or no Money, Private Dev workspace or Public we all want the same thing ROOT. The fact that we for 66 pages have waited patiently with updates from Acid on what the Devs were doing and not seeing it. I am not a Dev and will probably never be a good one but i just posted here and asked for some help on where to begin and places to read up on Kernel hacks and Captin and Fuzz invited me to sit in on the chat room. So to quash this, the room wasn't ever private you just asked and they would let you in.

The way this forum is going we are going to loose Devs and will not get root. Stop worrying about if they are in it for the money, who cares because in page 1 or 2 we the non-Dev's stated the bounty was our way of contributing to the processes since we can't compile code, find exploits or cook roms.

Motivation is what is needed now because we all are getting frustrated with delayed kernel releases, hard to find exploits, the unknown of 2.x and what it will bring.
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
Let's stop arguing, arguing is not going to get us root. If you want to learn more come on in to the irc and watch and learn. If anyone wants help learning programming or learning about what we are doing PM me I have many good links to get you started. I want to thank the community for being patient with us, we are working on it everyday. Now lets get root :)

Thanks,

CaptainKrtek
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Good Point...Both of you :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Good stuff Captain :)

Its good to see people helping eachother, thats what it is all about guys!
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Very well put again....making my job so easy Captain and Framework :) :)

We all want the same thing, and we will all have frustrated moments, but we dont have to take it out on eachother, I have been guilty of this myself.

So BACK ON TOPIC.
[Droid Eris Android Development] Blizz127:
I watch this thread every day but outside of handing my well wishes to the dev team. I just can't deny the fact that HTC did a really good job trying to block us from rooting lol. Props to them and everyone working hard :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Thanks....

And I have to agree with ya...
[Droid Eris Android Development] morphius2036:
Hey need help with installing the NDK 1.6 getting errors with the awk check unable to find Nawk or Gawk. need it for the arm-cross conplier? I am not that great at this so take it easy with the instructions.
[Droid Eris Android Development] morphius2036:
I was reading about autofs and mounting to the /net which by default doesn't have nosuid on and this could be a hole in escalating privilages. I think I seen this kicked around but it is an Idea?

Or the VMsplice from milworm http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/5093 or here http://green-hack.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1001
[Droid Eris Android Development] Whitepaint:
@Morphius

I am having problems of my own getting a compiled kernel that I can throw exploit attempts at. Me and a few friends are working on variant of the mentioned vmsplice exploit specifically for the Eris kernel but this whole mobile/android hackery is new to me.
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Vacation Time!

February 24th, 2010

Just wanted to let everyone know that I am taking off on Vacation with my Fiancee to beautiful France tonight :)

So I wont be as active or able to update as thoroughly as I normally do.

I will still be checking in with the rest of the Dev Team via email, and if anything major happens will make sure that everyone is kept in the loop!

Thanks again for everyones amazin support and patience, it is truely and honor to be part of such an amazing community :)

Thanks again and see ya soon.

Acidbath5546

Eris Root Dev Team Spokesman/Spokeshole....lol...
[Droid Eris Android Development] morphius2036:
@White

I really don't know that much myself but I know Captin, Zanfur,Framework would be more appt to be able to handle that question. I am here looking my self for the answers. I wish that I had more answers for you but we are both in the same boat learning the how to's
[Droid Eris Android Development] joey3002:
Ok, as a donator, here is my opinion. I have offered 20.00. Granted that by itself wouldnt even get an email returned by these fine guys. But add that to the pot. Me offering 20.00 is my way of saying thanks. Thanks for what? Thanks for 1. doing something I cant do 2. something i want 3. just doing it

Its funny, all these people asking where is root? where is root? but yet I do not see their name posted as a donator. I wish there was a way to silence all the people that didnt donate. Not because you HAVE to donate, but think about the time these guys are spending trying to get something that you want and cant do.

Instead of *****ing, offer these guys some support... We have what? like 12 people that have offered to donate but yet 1000's will use their hard work with no thought or consideration of it.

I have yet to ask once "where we at guys" and again, i donated...

nuff said... sorry for the long rant
[Droid Eris Android Development] Framework43:
I'll update for you :)

I have what I think is going to be great news coming up.
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Thanks for the offer Frame, but I will have one of the other longtime Devs/ Admins on our Dev site take care of it :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] joey3002:
thats great.. just when i start planning the night out with the wife.. I know you will release something 10 min before I am ready to roll, and then I would have to cancel with her. :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Dont be sorry for your rant....Your input is appreciated, and thanks man for all the support!
[Droid Eris Android Development] Sub-Standard:
That is BS. Anyone thinking about withdrawing their bounty after the Devs have gotten this far should be nuetured. It shouldn't matter what the person's agenda is that gives us root.

Most of us have jobs that we wake up & go to every morning. Whether you like your job or not, you probably wouldn't go every day without being paid.

If there is someone outside of this forum that finds away to give us root, then once root is verified, they should get bounty. Whether bounty is there only agenda, or the furthest thing on there mind doesn't Change the fact that we promised bounty to the person that gets us root. I understand that the Devs here have been hard at work for a long time by sharing all information & progress with the whole WWW makes it possible for an "outsider" to start from where are Devs are and stumble apon root & give it only for the money. While that may not seen fair, if the community truly had no agenda beyond achieving root, then it wouldn't matter to anyone who finds it, how they find it, or why they wanted to find it.
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
I will make sure that the Bounty goes to any Dev that achieves Root!

If it is not needed or wanted, then so be it.

If Bigfoot or the Loch Ness MOnster found Root, they would get it!

I know we all have varying opinions on this.

But the simple fact is that it is there, and it will be honored, regardless if it is someone from our team, or even this site!

Should be enough said on that subject for now ;)

Take care everyone!
[Droid Eris Android Development] hallstevenson:
For the record, I haven't donated any money.

Now, I think it's been made clear that the real developers working on this aren't doing it for the money, don't want the money, and likely won't take it. Does the appeal of the $$$ motivate others outside of the "group" from here ? Probably... Was the core group trying to root the phone before any money donations was even mentioned, let alone put up ? I"ll bet they were.
[Droid Eris Android Development] navalynt:
Why neuter them when you can switch them over to AT&T. Cut the balls off the phone not the user, that's what I always say :p
[Droid Eris Android Development] Sub-Standard:
Sounds fair to me.

Enjoy yourself on your well deserved vacation.
[Droid Eris Android Development] acidbath5546:
Thanks man!

Everybody take care and Stay Positive!
[Droid Eris Android Development] rom116:
Thanks devs

Just wanted to say thanks to all the devs working on this. I've been watching this thread for about a month and I hope all the complaining and trash talking is by people ranging from 13-15 years of age, because if you guys are adults...Thanks again devs
[Droid Eris Android Development] devildog9999:
I just wish I had more to offer to help... Staying on the windows side has kicked me in the ass pretty bad over the years. Huge learning curve for an old guy like me! :) Anyway - Thanks again Devs. Keep up the good work.
[Droid Eris Android Development] jamezelle:
Have fun in France!
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
You can still work on the sdk in Windows and mess around with your phone, pm me :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] devildog9999:
Just got done building a ubuntu box, and have it installed. Doing updates now - so it may be a bit! Thanks!
[Droid Eris Android Development] sickbox:
why not just virtualize ubuntu in virtualbox?
[Droid Eris Android Development] devildog9999:
I have a ton of "stuff" here to play with so I threw an old AMD 3200+xp box together... lol! Will play with it more tomorrow and get it all setup.
[Droid Eris Android Development] sickbox:
ahhh... well then, mahzwell!
[Droid Eris Android Development] navalynt:
Well, I don't know much about kernel hacking or development under linux but I am good with desktop/laptop multi-booting. My current Dell Studio XPS 1340 triple boots between OSX 10.6.2, Ubuntu 9.10, and Windows 7 Ultimate.

If anyone working on the Eris needs some help setting up a multi-boot system I would be happy to help!
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
Good luck :) go download eclipse and get the sdk setup, pm me if you need help with that it was tricky my first time too
[Droid Eris Android Development] quahog:
Sub-Standard,

Well, I happen to love my job. And something's I do for free, like develop some free software for Linux etc... It's just an opinion. You need not be rude about it either. Somethings are done for the good of the community, or just to say "I did that, it was me". And that's payment enough. The dev can take or leave bounty. I won't judge him, many others won't too. But here, it seemed maybe to be fostering and splintering the search for root. Which could ultimatly slow things for everyone, especially people who just want to watch and learn, and not care about Money, the Root of all Evil. Thanks for your Nice reply...? Now, no need to say my opinion is BS by the way. You can share your thoughts in a better way. I create lot's of things for free. It's a personal choice yes. I could charge, and hey you know what. Maybe I should, though, it's aggrivating when i'm trying to learn about this platform to help out and contribute myself, when everyone wants to hush up and close off chats and have there own forums because god forbid!!!! THE bounty!!!!! Oh know someone else might get it!!! You see? I have no prob with Hard Work, and people getting paid. Though, to a point... These guys may put in tons of time. Though the guy who wins root, might find a canned Sploit on a script kiddie website, and boom have Root in 5 minutes... Get my point? All that over hard work bounty, hard feelings when some nobody could walk in and do that in 5 minutes? Well then someone could also could have to work on this for months! And he may deserve it, but one begs to ask, if everyone did this and there was no bounty... Would the open Development effort had made root possible earlier, and the Dev would'nt have had to spend all that time, because he wouldnt have to fear the bounty being ripped away because of his collaboration with others he may not trust?
[Droid Eris Android Development] quahog:
Just needed to get that out there! I respect all views BTW, just a rant myself, and I see your point Sub-Standard, though I ask you please try and be a bit more respectful, I don't wish to fight. And I know lot's about Developing Software, and Not charging for it, K? I also am a sys admin, and Develop software that I know is sold by the company I work for... Intellectual Property, closed Development Models, ETC Like happened with UNIX, hindered Open, Fast Paced Development for years Till something great like Linux came along, working with Closed Source Software, and closed Development isn't Beneficial, and is usually done by company's, and yes here too, because of money.
[Droid Eris Android Development] zifnab06:
1 thing to say.

/dev/null is a good policy. In my opinion, when people start releasing exploits and demand money is where you get into trouble. If I say, oh I'll do this exploit *because* i want the $600 or whateever amount it is, people get the opinion that you only do this for money. I like hacking stuff. So, the fun of just trying to break into a device is reason enough to do it. And the fact that my name gets out there, and I can put the fact that I broke into an android device on a resume, is definantly worth it :D Donations to /dev/null is simple enough. If you reallly want to give me money, donate it to haiti or somewhere :D
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
haiti or ihackcharities.org :)
[Droid Eris Android Development] Sub-Standard:
It's been quiet in here lately. I guess everyone is awaiting the "Good news".
[Droid Eris Android Development] Ffej5647:
yea! Too bad there isnt any good news yet. I have a question for everybody and anybody though. As there are some apps out there that cause you to stop getting service on the phone and everything force closes on the phone, is there a debugger or something you can use to detect which app it is exactly instead of uninstalling like 50 and finding out it was like the last one?
[Droid Eris Android Development] sanderjm:
I am not giving up on the Devs but if the update comes before root I may go with the update. My reason being that by the time I get bored and/or tired of the new features someone will hopefully have rooted it. If not then I wait...either way I wait.
[Droid Eris Android Development] redman213:
Yeah I might have to sit this out my teachers are just sharting homework on me everyday. Hopefully if i finish I'll be able to get back on but for now im just lurking:(

I wish all the DEV's the best of luck!!!
[Droid Eris Android Development] zifnab06:
I meant to post this a while ago.

The update will be safe. We can downgrade if we absolutely have to.
[Droid Eris Android Development] Captainkrtek:
Homework blows :P
[Droid Eris Android Development] jballz0682:
Rollback

So does that mean that the updates can be rolled back successfully?
[Droid Eris Android Development] nindoja:
We have successfully rolled back from 1.17 to 1.16, but I don't know if we've actually tried a 2.1 to 1.17 downgrade yet. I don't see why it wouldn't work though.
[Droid Eris Android Development] sickbox:
Incase anyone is interested I just posted up a HTC Droid Eris AVD skin for all you android dev types.

HTC Droid Eris AVD Skin
[Droid Eris Android Development] agentlotek:
Need Root ASAP!

Ok..we def need to get root now... The douche-bags @ Adobe released a post on the official Adobe forums, it was revealed that Flash 10.1 for Android will require at least an ARMv7 (Cortex) based processor. They also said this.."No, the HTC Hero will not be supported b/c it does not have the correct Anroid OS version and it’s chipset is not powerful enough. We require a device with an ARM v7 (Cortex) processor. Examples include the Qualcomm Snapdragon chipsets and TI OMAP3 series.”

U.S. Android phones that will not support Flash 10.1:

* Sprint Hero

* Sprint Moment

* T-Mobile G1

* T-Mobile myTouch 3G

* T-Mobile CLIQ

* T-Mobile Behold II

* Verizon Droid Eris - Seeing my precious on this list makes me want to cry :(

* Verizon Devour
[Droid Eris Android Development] Ffej5647:
new update from verizon intel! OTA 2.1 not coming out until March. What a disappointment!
[Droid Eris Android Development] Smoothcrm7:
Luckily march is only a few days away = ) stay positive! haha
[Droid Eris Android Development] Ffej5647:
yea good point! I want it now though! lol screw root 2.1 looks better!