yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
Damnwell hope that's not true... :S
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] jngtt:
that info made it felt like MS decide to slap thier hardcore users in their face, its like getting a boob size reduction who the hell wants that???????
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
I don't believe it. I know the Iphone is a big seller, but would WM want to really bastardize itself like that. The Marketplace would be great for developers, but doesn't it only place programs on internal storage? What would be the use of phones having microsd slots that expand memory up to 32gb? I say bull****!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
+1 this would kill ScanDisk, Kingston and other companies that are producing storage cards. Why would anyone buy a storage card bigger than 4 gb if they cant use it:confused:. From what I've been reading I think what is happening is that MS will have two options, Windows 7 and continued development on Windows 6.5. This way 7 can compete with the iphone and android for the everyday consumer and 6.5 can keep hold of their hardcore fans. At least that would make sense to me.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chikoo:
http://www.slashgear.com/windows-ph...ng-ui-lock-down-zunexbox-integration-0673062/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Sorry, Rim, but the best UI in the world will not bring me over to an OS that doesn't allow multitasking. While I think regular consumers WILL wet their pants, the current WM users will probably all switch to Android (which then takes the role that WM6.5 has now: lots of power, bad UI).

Those things are the reason why we use Windows Mobile and have not bought iPhones so far (or, in my case, have sold the iPhones).

I don't want 3D effects, multitouch, big stupid icons and all that stuff. In short: I don't want an iPhone copy, even if the UI is a million times better.

I want an OS that provides unlimited possibilities. I want a copy of Windows Mobile 6.5, not a copy of the iPhone OS.

(from mobiletechworld)

Good comment.

(from gizmodo)

Exactly... WM6.5 has much less major flaws than iPhone OS, I really don't get why they had to make an OS from scratch, when they could've just taken the (very good) OS they already had and fixed the few problems.

Well, one week left. I don't want to complain about things when I don't know if they're true. Let's wait and see... but it all sounds very worrying... :(

http://gadgetbaristas.com/2010/02/07/why-microsofts-wm7-could-spell-the-end-of-windows-mobile/

On the other hand, I asked Mel Sampat about those things, whether WM7 would preserve all the possibilities that WM6.5 offers etc., and he told me not to be afraid.

So maybe it's all just BS. Would be nice if someone could just confirm or deny, but I guess we have to wait one more week.

Interesting video: http://www.microsoft.com/showcase/en/us/details/8f51878c-fd0d-46ea-b5c2-82215564fbdd
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
Thanks Frey.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Source: http://www.chainfire.eu/#/articles/62/Some_news_on_WM7_from_Tweakers_net/
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] skov82:
Look here!

http://www.microsoft.com/showcase/en/us/details/79768d45-877c-4a2b-a485-719e69460cd0

Starting from 2.09, watch closely, really closely! (hint: background screens)

BINGO!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] vangrieg:
This is getting scarier and scarier by the hour. The rumors are describing the horror shocking future where WM is a combination of the worst features taken from iPhone OS (no multitasking, closed platform) and Android (problematic native coding). Let's hope they are wrong or exaggerating.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Jokes On You:
+1 I was really excited for the WM7 but the more I read the more I am beginning to doubt. What I don't understand is if you have communities of hardcore phone addicts(xda, modaco, ppcgeeks amoung others) why would you just up and abandon them? You are killing your sector in the market to go with the new fad. If Microsoft just sticks with making powerful devices then it would be fine but o well this is just my humble opinion.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
You're a genius!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chikoo:
I see nothing that jumps out...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] quicksite:
(this is I am sure 2-day-old news, but still ... )

And... so... now?

Your verdict?

Windows Phone 7 to Get Zune Interface

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[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] sancmat:
This is very disappointing news to me. It appears that windows mobile is removing all of the features that make it better then the other options. For the first time in 6 years I can see myself getting a non windows based phone.

I have already gone so far as to start running Android on my TP2 just to see if I like it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] l3v5y:
That looks like WM6.X to me.

That's one of the standard homescreens that 6.X have, and not Titanium that 6.5 has in addition.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] KalynSS999:
Agreed! When I first heard about WM7 I was excited. Then the news came of its features (or lack there of). The 'no multitask' is turning it more into an iPhone. It's one reason I chose WM. Having a marketplace is helpful, but if its the only means of getting software, I'm not really interested. Backwards compatability and just the sheer customizability (UI, settings etc) was the reason I chose WM, which like many of you as well I'm assuming. We're trading this, and the enterprise business features for what? Zune software and xbox integration? PS Microsoft not everyone has an xbox. I'm also beginning to consider another OS for my next device. (It's not going to be Apple.)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] quicksite:
One thing I'm not quite understanding. What is the hesitation longtime WM users have about using Android? I've only been using a few months but I love it. I'm not a developer, though, so i don't know all the considerations longtime WM developers feel are better on WM than on Android. The dev community for android seems to be growing very steadily here.

Now, granted, I had a very UN-powerful WM phone, the T-mobile wing, with its old slow processor and not enough RAM. Still... i have found android handles multi-tasking beautifully, i have never had a freeze up or app crash in 3-4 months.

There are a few global UI conventions i think could have been improved, especially the context menu.. but more than anything it is consistent app to app.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
if those rumour are true then I guess they only apply to the media hype edition. so we better wait for WM 7 professional in 2011 (I think?)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] addicus:
4 days to countdown! Please oh please Windows 7 don't make my phone Iphonish!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Rim1Flex:
I think you guys will be very impressed! ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Beefheart:
If true these bolded bits effectively mean I will be sticking to 6.5.x until either these restrictions are possibly removed by hacks/cooks, the hacking community manages to get Android working on the Leo or my Leo contract expires and I move over to an Android device.

There is simply no way in hell I am prepared to use a device where applications can't be installed from a local file.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] loomx:
Im not to bothered either way, as long as the interface is good, and it runs well, if its locked down people on xda-devs will "jailbreak" it hehe and someone will probably find a way around multitasking. If not then all the better!

Im sure they wont be as stupid to lock it so you cant install files from a local source, thats just suicide.

Im really excited about zune and xbox live and so on, on my phone!!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Beefheart:
I wouldn't put anything past Microsoft, especially if they're using the iPhone as a template. And due to Crapple's phenomenal success with a crippled and locked down UI it's hardly unreasonable to expect that to be the case.

In short not being able to install anything outside of the AppStore bar on Jailbroken devices certainly hasn't been suicide for the iPhone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Duron23:
WM 6.5 as free OS

Hello,

Techtree.com reports that WM 6.5 will be available along side WM7 as a free OS for low end PPC's. :)

" There is also a report that Windows Mobile 6.x will continue to be shipped alongside Windows Mobile 7 - albeit as a free OS for low-end smartphones."

SOURCE

Regards,

Duron23
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
@Duron23

That rumor came from msmobiles. I wouldn't believe anything that they write.

It messed up my contacts when I tried to sync it with Exchange :mad:.

But seriously, Android still isn't there to challenge WM6.5. It's advancing fast, however (unlike WM6.5).

I've got an Android phone that's awfully slow (granted, it has a crappy QCOM MSM7200) and unstable. I wouldn't give up my HD2 for this. But I imagine the experience on a Nexus One could come close to the HD2.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Sean D.:
Heart breaking.

I hope this crap is wrong. I understand the iPhones success, but there's no need for WM to try and emulate the things that make it suck goat nuts to a tee. Those are not the things that will bring in more buyers, and they are not the things that make the iPhone "successful". It's called marketing... the product is VERY unimpressive when you get past the gloss... or turd polish. But people will flock to even the most unimpressive turds if you convince them that they are "cool" for having that turd.

But NOT putting things like TRUE multi tasking in will indeed drive people away. And if this ends up being the case Droid will soon be the only device that "does".

Boo, M$! (until further notice) :mad:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Mel Sampat (the guy who works on the calendar for WM7) told me not to believe those rumors... it's no confirmation, but would he have said this if they were true?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
This is great news!:) What else did he said?:D
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Of course he's not allowed to share any details about WM7. At least he kinda confirmed Silverlight for application development, but that's rather old news anyway.

Oh, and by the way, the UI looks great. Really great. But as I said before, the best UI in the world can not bring me to an OS that doesn't multitask... thus, I hope that Mel really tried to say that the rumors weren't true...
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
Same for me - if those crap (no multitasking, installation only via Marketplace etc.) rumors are true, bye bye WinMo, hello Android. But let us hope that everything is gonna be ok.:)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
In my opinion the term "Windows" means more than one Window. Looking at it this way makes it impossible that WindowS Mobile 7 is non-multi tasking.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] ramdroid77:
why do you guys already think about it before knowing what really happens. I don't get it. Stop the panic! do you even get sleep? I don't get sleep neither but at least I'm dedicating the nights to WM ;)
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] pilgrim011:
Personally, I think that those rumors are lies, but I also think that there is a tiny possibility that MS is spreading them. The reason could be to see the reaction of the general public and WinMo community. Why - well, there are some informations about two lines of WM7 development, and it could be that one of these branches is crippled iPhonish crap. So, I'm just expressing my opinion in case that's true - maybe it will help MS to make the right decision.:p
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Duron23:
+ 1, Even I think MS is doing all the tricks possible to keep us distracted from WM7's real facts.

I think they don't want us to know any thing about WM7 until it is release. I can never imagine a BIG company like MS will drop its strongest feature ( Multitasking and CAB installation ) for competing against its rivals.

I don't think MS is that foolish :) So catch you breath, its only 2 days to go, before the facts are revealed !!!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Without comment... (rafyvitto can explain)

http://pocketnow.com/software-1/windows-mobile-7-beta-screenshots-from-a-long-time-ago
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Do you know who the most hardcore user of "phones" are?

Girls / Ladies / Wives

They multi-task in their life and when you multi-task, you are essentially handicapped because you have less than 100% focus on any task. The phone they need is a device that is made for handicapped people...big buttons...simple instructions...does what it has to do...right away. The iphone does that. The WM phones Don't.

It is time Microsoft did something about it.

Question:

Are you buying a phone or a PC?

Why do you need to multitask on a phone? Is it your primary work device? If you need a device that can multitask, buy a netbook, not a freaking small 3" screen where you can barely read what you are typing. It is high time that MS moved away from that concept of selling a "pocket-pc". What a joke.

a pocket pc..ha ha....

Don't get me wrong. I am MS guy and want MS to do well. developing pocket-pc for the minority power-users is not going to make their customer base grow.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
A Pocket PC. Yes, I want a Pocket PC, not a dumb phone. And yes, it has to multitask. The iPhone sucks, had one, will never buy such a dumb, limited device again.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] OndraSter:
3" is small. 3.6" is better. 4.3" is awesome (wish there was some 4.3" with HW keyboard)

Take it or not, but with 800x480, you have plenty of space in Word or excel compared to any other device.

Try taking your netbook (asus eee :D) with yourself anywhere in pocket and holding 24+ hours on batteries.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Unlimited....yeah right...

Yesterday I was browsing on Opera. Then switched to google maps to look at directions. Then fired up Youtube to look at a video....got video no sound. I had to go and kill opera and then the sound on youtube came on.

Another case: I was playing Need for speed Undercover. A phone call came in. Took eons for the slider to slide and answer.

Multitasking? unlimited possibilites?

Are you dreaming or what?

The OS has to be smart to realize that this device is communications device first and foremost. Therefore the Phone/email/sms takes precedence over every other applications. It cannot and should not treat them equally. Not with the current hardware. Maybe 3-5 years later when there is enough horsepower.

Do you ever work with servers? do you know what a server is?

Why don't we use windows XP as the backend server for the Enterprise applications? why does MS have Windows 2003/2008 Server software for that purpose?

It is because they have realized that frontend applications and backend multitasking applications are best served in different ways.

Same for the smart Phone devices we have here.

To expect it to work like your PC + Server all in one is asking for too much.

To take this comparison to real life, it is almost impossible to have a woman who is your best girlfriend, the most wonderful wife, the best mother your children can have, the best cook, and on top also is the best in bed. That is utopia. Not that we should not reach for that, but reality is that it is not possible. For girls, the comparision would be to have a man who makes a ton of money, is funny, understanding, caring, best father to your children and never looks at other women. Utopia.

Wake up!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Without any justifications? wow. just because you said so?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Am I not allowed to say what I want? If you want a dumb phone, then buy an iPhone and stop dictating us what we have to use.

I want WM to stay like it is, a better UI, better integration with MSFT services, that's it.

The way it handles multitasking now is perfectly OK. Just add a native task switcher à la TaskFacade and that's it. And strangely, I don't have to kill any applications to make the sound work or whatever. I've got about 20 applications permanently running and it works perfectly.

I don't care what you want and I don't care if you're not smart enough to handle multiple apps running on your phone. Me wants to multitask. Cause on my phone, it works perfectly, and I don't want any changes to that situation.

Sure, MSFT doesn't have to listen to its loyal customer base, like me. But it's certainly a difference whether Microsoft decides to drop the features their (few remaining) power users rely on, or whether someone like you tries to dictate them what they have to expect.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
4.3" ...agreed. That is a form factor that is most comfortable. Another reason why iphone doesn't come in smaller size like 3" :eek:

But it is not readily available in the US with my ATT service. At least not when the iphone was made available. Apple had expectations of capturing 1% of market. But the buying people are smarter. They made it a whopping 20% market share. That too with no unlock phone versions or clones. Just the 1 single model. You cannot sit on an island and say that those are foolish people. What it is screaming at you is "Wake up" and redefine what a phone is. It is not a pocket-pc. It is a communications device. Not a gaming pc. not a server. Those tasks should be at lowest priority on that device. You don;t want to miss a call from your wife who just crashed her car, while you were playing a hardcore game on your "pocket-pc". Right?
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
And therein lies the answer to my question too.

I have an ATT Pure and it does not support so many tasks. You probably have better hardware. So why should MS allow selling a phone hardware that is incapable of being a pocket-pc and multitask cleanly?

again...the question is do your types define the phone marketplace or the average consumer? Ever wonder why Unix never become so commonplace as Windows? because it was not user friendly. It expected certain skill levels from the user. Same with pocket-pc users. Task manager, switch tasks, etc is not what the average consumer wants to do. He/she wants the device to do that for them. Trust me, I am an IT guy too and understand your pain, but you have to understand the market that makes money for MS. Supporting the needs of IT hardcore users is not going to do it.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
If you think like this, get a stupid iPhone. It's our right to expect our phones to be Pocket PCs. They have been for years and it was OK. Would we have bought Pocket PCs over and over again if they didn't work? Certainly not.

But they worked, and that's why we want them to remain Pocket PCs, and not stupid iPhone clones.

I know we power users don't define the market, but that does not taky away our right to say what we want and it doesn not give anyone the right to dictate us what we should use.

If Microsoft decides to make dumb iPhone clones and drop out of the power user market they were serving for years, then they will definitely lose me as a customer. Cause I'm not a regular consumer who is	overchallenged by multiple applications running on his phone. The power user market will not disappear and someone will make the software we expect. If it's not MSFT, then it's someone else.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Your want is not going to fill MS pockets. You have to understand that. Even as returning customers like yours, Pocket pcs never had a big market share. They got beat my RIM/Nokia and then the iphone. You have to wonder why.....
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Cheeeze... you don't get it, do you? Microsoft may decide to fill their pockets by serving the market for dumb iPhone clones, but I have the right to voice my opinion on that decision and you can't dictate what I have to buy.

If Microsoft decides to drop out of the enterprise/ power user market, I will simply not buy their products anymore, just like I'll never buy an iPhone again. It's as simple as that.

I don't care about normal consumers and people like you and their needs. If you want a locked down dumb phone, buy one. And be happy if Microsoft provides one for you.

I don't want a dumb iPhone clone, I want a Pocket PC, and I am allowed to say what I want.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
Here is another example of the greatness of pocket-pc.

I managed to get Google maps, email composer, opera, music player running. I then started youtube. Youtube started fine, with sound. But guess what? It terminated Opera in the background to free memory for youtube. Is that called multi-tasking in out language?

The iphone certainly does not "kill" applications. It puts it in hibernate mode and when you invoke that application again to be in foreground, voila....it starts back from where you left off.

And to your retort that I should buy an iphone...I already own one, and an ATT/HTC Pure too. I carry the ATT Pure with me just because it is different and is a smaller form factor and like to use it like a phone only. the iphone is larger and heavier and I don't like to carry it around. But that is me.....

I also have the ZUNE HD player and love it. It is light weight..nice UI and look forward to such hardware to power the next WM phone.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
I get it Frey. Your opinion counts. definitely. But you are ahead of the times. What you need is what finally all these smart devices need to be. But imo the hardware if very lacking to support it for the average user. On top, the WM interface is not user friendly. with 6.5, they have made it a lot more finger friendly. They can only make it better from here.

We all are allowed to voice our opinions, and discuss them here. At least that is the impression I have:) Just because I quote your posts does not mean I don't like you. Au contraire my friend.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
It's just that my needs don't have to reflect those of the general consumer, you know...

What I'm doing here is talking about my needs. You can't assume that everyone needs an iPhone (clone). I need a Pocket PC. I don't get why you think the hardware is not strong enough... years ago PPC devices with 200MHz processors have been multitasking perfectly. Pocket PCs have been working great for me for many years and I don't want that to change.

Of course, MSFT doesn't have to listen to their loyal customers, and they probably won't, cause iPhone clones make more money these days. But still, I'm allowed to talk about what I want, even if nobody cares.

Since it's all just rumors anyway, and I certainly won't believe them until I hear anything official, let's get back to topic. This is good:
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] chiks19018:
I don't get the picture....what is before/after? They look the same to me...kindly clarify please.
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] freyberry:
Hehe... Microsoft has put tape over the "7 Series" on their ads, but you can see through it... :D

But I'm not sure whether BMW will like that name... Windows Phone 7 Series: Efficient dynamics?!

EDIT: www.windowsphone7series.com has been registered by Microsoft today!
[Windows Phone 7 Development and Hacking] Tigrouzen:
This is big joke about Microsoft its do like fake information and then when they show a news windows 7 mobile all came's like iphone addict !!!

Verry good commercial fake !!

(i pray what i said its true!!)

:o