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[Click Android Development] Coburn64:
I'm not backseat moderating, but I'd like to raise a point.

This Tattoo Android Development is for Android queries. I've seen threads that are like "omg is it possible to port winmo to tattoo" and posts like "HELLO!!! HOW TO ROOT blah blah".

Please, this is a discussion for Android Development. I'm just saying that off-topic threads should be stuck in the "Tattoo - General" section. This is more for ROM Development and discussion talk, on actually how to root the device and other things like "Memory tweaks on the Tattoo" and the like.

Yes, I support threads like "There's a bug in app X on the tattoo" if you have problems, but spammy posts like "how to root tattoo" without proper explanation is just annoying.

Heck, I'm wanting to make my own ROMs for the Tattoo, once I find the solution, I'll share it 'round and help people become Tattoo Developers.

I hope I get my message across, and to mods, I'm a nice guy and I just wanted to share one of my guidelines... Please don't ban me, I hope you understand. :)
[Click Android Development] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
If you see a post that seems like it's in the incorrect fora, hit that report button on the top-right of each post. That will notify a mod and then we can help out. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
Searching everywhere i could not find a single thread dedicated for

blackstone windows mobile 6.1 ROMS

in different threads around i found out that a lot of people still prefer 6.1 versions of blackstone roms for its speed and reliability and I did try several ROMs for different cookers using 6.5 and 6.1 and i have to admit that microsoft windows mobile 6.5 is a great disappointment for a lot of people including myself ... its not the cookers its that windows mobile OS 6.5 sucks :( ...

therefore i have decided to create this thread to be the place to find the latest 6.1 ROM for our beloved blackstone and i hope we can find new ones here ... cookers stopped developing 6.1 for months now they say it is becoming something of the past and 6.5 is getting more and more builds everyday and trying each one requires flashing several times and it takes time so there is no more time for cooking 6.1 ROMs :( 6.1 that our blackstone was designed for ! and runs it so smoothly and faster than any ROM around ... looking at the benchmark you will find the first 20 to 25 fastest ROMs are running 6.1 !!

the latest 6.1 ROM i found is Topix 3.1.2 Oct.28.2009 not even in a thread of its own to separate it from 6.5 discussions :( it is a perfect ROM but I would love to run a 6.1 from NRG or Miri created in 2010 !
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rainstorm2:
+1 support.specialy l26 ultimate v4 rom maybe with 6.1..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tsalta:
I think you need to try = TOPAZ Vanilla WM 6.1

ROM

- Blackstone 1.59.709.0 rom xip and drivers

- OEM from Topaz 1.40 WWE rom

- CE OS 5.2.21054 (Build 21054.1.6.7)

- Riphone 1.14

- Manila 2.1 CFC edition - THANKS Chainfire

- Ati and openvg drivers

- .NET Framework 3.5
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
I did but i prefer Topix ... it is more stable and facebook doesnt crash manila at all and you do not need to edit registries for it to work
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fireedo:
how about Laurentius ROM 3.55? even it's old but seems very promising
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bodisson:
Just to remind you that ROMs are on Wiki:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_cookedroms

And you have more here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=446414
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nhatt:
Ohhh ... please remember here is: Blackstone ROM Development!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
yes i know they are on the wiki but this list of 6.1 roms is much smaller than it should be and the latest of them is old what i am asking for is new 6.1 roms to be added to the list

making a new 6.1 rom for blackstone or asking cookers to keep developing this version of windows mobile for black stone is a "Blackstone ROM development"

thank you
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] THUDUK:
I for one would also be interested in more WM6.1 development.

I got lost with all this 6.5 and Sense stuff, was going to sell the HD is was so slow and annoying, flashed to Topix 6.1 and WOW, I had forgotten how fast the HD was...

Bring on some more 6.1 development PLEASE
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BuroBernd:
topix wm6.1 is the way to go.

alas, if someone release a better (e.g. more preconfigured ) rom, i bet they would get lots of followers simply because the speed of wm6.1 is awesome
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] calcop:
can someone posts an (active) link for a 6.1 ROM without Manila? the only i know is the Superlite by Onkolog but the link is dead...and i don't want thousand useless Manila files(over 40mb) on my HD, better MS3 for me...thanks
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jamie-:
+1 for more wm6.1 roms, it seems that this is the OS which will bring the best out of this device.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
maybe ® panosha ® =- Black Pearl V2 CLEAN is the one you are looking for maybe never flashed it
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fjellborg:
AGREE..... :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] calcop:
thanks, but Black Pearl ROM is based on 1.57.831.1 Build 20776, the latest WM6.1 ROM for Blacksone are 1.59 Build 21051...should be better, maybe
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hamkeng:
RS Link to Onkologs Latest SuperLite
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BlueAnt1958:
Really a question for the Chefs.

Guys,

There maybe a few issues with this.

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think MS has released any updated builds of v6.1 (Could be wrong) that our beloved chefs could get their hands on. :)

Not that I have any cooking skills but I would think that all our chefs have modded their kitchens to deal with v6.5.xx and may not be willing to take, what they may see, as a step back.

This of course is just my humble opinion but I guess the most likely thing to do would be to ask the chefs themselves. :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sschrupp:
I'm totally with you on that. I never use Manila when MS3 is so nice.

I do appreciate that cookers want to try and fit in the latest and greatest, but it seems to me the latest and greatest is just going to get slower and slower. The HD is great and all, but speedwise it's not much better than the ancient Blue Angel. Heh, thinking that makes me want to see if I still have an old BA lying around and see how IT handles 6.5!

In any case it seems fairly evident that 6.5 has some speed issues compared to 6.1. Now I have no idea personally why that is, whether it's just Manila or the OS itself. Regardless it'd be nice if 6.1 wasn't forgotten all together.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
the latest build is 21055 as shown in the screen shot from topix rom 3.1.2 but this Rom has manila 2.1 ... it works fast as nothing else and the manila version without weather animation is very decent but you are asking for a rom without manila

this is one of the reasons I wanted this thread ! we do not even have a clean version of our favorite os with the latest build only manila versions :(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] erich900:
More 6.1 roms, 6.5 (sense) roms are not made for Blackstone!

ok, sense is looking cool, but why cant some one make 6.1 rom with colors at the tab. and just make it for speed and everyday use. no fancy stuff! FAST FAST FAST!

roms with 6.5 have 50% rom use. 6.1 roms have 32% rom use.. big differens i think..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] borg28:
just flashed my original rom back 6.1 and must say its a lot faster then 6.5 so

i keep this for a while.:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daming:
Yes, agree with you.

Now, I am using Topix 3.1.2.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BuroBernd:
in my oppinion, htc touchflow is even quicker than htc sense 2.1, true?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] borg28:
that's very true i've did some comparesing and true out touchflo realy is quicker in response so for me this will do for now,if there's one that has the same is dutty rom r14 turbo closest to stock 1.14!;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dizzle:
Dutty's 4.3 Final

For those interested Dutty's 4.3 Final is 6.1 and is a very nice 6.1 rom. I've just gone back to it from 3.1.2 and I must say, it is quite impressive.

It uses a more up to date Manila (38680). It is very snappy, i'm currently running the MSVC version.

It's available on HTCPedia.

http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=526
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tlerner:
I too am looking for a cooked 6.1 rom being tired of sluggishness or freezes of 6.5 with sense manila.

Took the advice I found on this forum and flashed Topix 3.0.2. Yes, it is fast, pretty, but as usual with kwbr's roms there are some issues. The main one for me is Total Commander instead of File Explorer. This I simply do not understand; if one can install the TC should one wish to, why the hell replace File Explorer with it? This should be the decision of the user. I do not see anything wrong with FE and certainly no need to replace it with something else.

I found the solution for it in this forum but it did not work on my phone.

Another one is the Transcriber; i return to the stock roms because I like using this cool feature, so I do not understand why it needs to be removed from 6.1 roms??? This particular rom kept the letter recognizer but took out the Transcriber?!

I was really excited to flash this rom hoping to use it for awhile but now have to flash again.

So please dear forum members can you recommend one which is stable, has all the necessary features and possibly (but not necessary) weather on the home page?

THANK YOU ALL....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
file explorer was not removed you can find it in windows and make it default and you can remove total commander completely from your device ... transcriber can be added as a separate cab i guess kwbr had to remove it to keep the rom lighter for people who would never use it ... I never use it :) i wish he removed the letter recognizer as well actually
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
the page has no download link ... download link can be found here

http://htcpedia.com/duttys-wm-6_1-v-rom-final/soft/htc-blackstone-rom.html
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tlerner:
Thanks for your reply. I did find the file explorer in windows (of course) but I cannot install it and make it default. I followed instructions on this forum but it did not work. Maybe someone can guide me through it or give better instructions.

Of course I have the transcriber cab. I read this forum daily and collect all kinds of cabs which may at some time become useful depending on the rom which I am using at the time. After installing transcriber cab the application does no display properly. Also, since there is not kinetic scrolling (this baffles me too!) so I installed that too but, you guessed it, it does not work.

My point is this: since there is a lot of good cooking material out there I wish that the cooks take a break from 6.5 and create one good and stable 6.1, a rom which is meant to be used on this particular device.

P.S. I do want to make one more point, Topix 3.0.2 is damn FAST, I mean really FAST!!!! I would really like to make it work for me. HELP PLEASE
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
well about the transcriber cab if it doesnt work i cannot help with that but about file explorer, it is an exe file in windows you dont have to install anything just click on it and it will work and you can creat a short cut to it in programs use the shipped total commaner to creat a short cut then cut it and take it to wndows/start menu/programs I did that using resco explorer it has an option send to start menu as a shortcut
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] odm3xda:
topix with manila disabled has 28%
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] illegalwarrior:
Topic Closed:p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tsalta:
Hello Guys i have a Noob Question here:)

Im Tired from this WM 6.5 Yes look awsome but like other peoples say im not feeling that my Blackstone is good with this Windows..

WHat i nead is a FAST clear device that is Stable and run smooth i don`t need crashes i just want a fast device for everyday use and to enjoying the device!!! I use many of the 6.5 ROM here and yes here have a good ROM`s untill i play yesterday with one TOPAZ the Topaz was with stock 6.1 ROM and i just was amazed with the speed and performance the Topaz have the same Hardware like the Blackstone so i was thinking that if i flash the topaz with WM 6.5 will be not so fast today i update the Topaz with Offical HTC Wm 6.5 Update with manila 2.1 sense and what to tell you NOT have any diferent the TOPAZ is superb fast and smooth with WM 6.5 so i get a bit desapointed from my Blackstone and asking myself Why the topaz with the same hardware is super fast and stable and my Blackstone... is not like this.

So i think to flash my Blackstone back to the WM 6.1 the questions i wana ask are few please answer me!

About the TOPIX 3.1.2 i hear is the best WM 6.1 with manila 2.1 is this right? and i will not be disapointed from the ROMw

The question is im now with WM 6.5 but i read that the TOPIX 3.1.2 is Rom 1.59.709.0 - Update to CE OS 5.2.21054 (Build 21054.1.6.7)

This mean that i don`t need to Hard SPL back i just can flash via the SD cart methout this WM 6.1 ROM its that right? if YES this is awsome

Also i like the Radio 1.17 and im using Rilphone 1.14 ddl so can i use this combination with the WM 6.1 ROM without a problem?

If i can do that i dont see any reason to be with WM 6.5 Anymore because i will have a fast stable device with the new radio and again will have the Manila Sense Weather i don`t care about the Start Menu that will not be like 6.5 style

My Today screen will look like now with 6.5 2.1 Sense just the whole device will be faster smoother and i think save some battery i feel that the Blackstone must to have a official Update of 6.5 if Not... its very bad for us:)

Im Jelous why the Topaz is faster than my Blackstone

Also who care if you use WM 6.1 u can use all Application that u can use with 6.5 so not have any Point to use anymore 6.5
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] illegalwarrior:
Have You tried Miri's Manilla 2.5 Version 17+ ?

Give it a go and come back

PS: dont thank me :p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gabriel31337:
Some more info

Latest WM6.1 build is 21056, released in December 2009.

I am using Laurentius26 THD v3.55 right now and it seems to be working very nice with MS3. I was using Dutty v4.3 FINAL for a while and it was also very nice and speedy. I am not going to WM6.5 anymore definitely! :D

I have already started to learn how to cook the WM6.1 without humongous Manila and with usual apps - see here -, but (and yes - laziness comes to speach ;) ) I would prefer to have some optimized kitchen for it already to have a good starting point from which I could continue. But I don't think there is any cook who would share his WM6.1 kitchen (or is he?)...

Anyway, I will continue to learn how to cook and possibly you might see something new on the board :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tsalta:
Sorry Dude but i think that i will be desapointed again i don`t want Manila 2.5 because i don`t like it i prefer clear simple and fast stable device than a colourfull one with many schortucts etc :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tlerner:
I found these instructions but they do not work:

returning to file explorer is easy.

1) Using TC Delete the file explorer shortcut in windows\startmenu

2) Using TC go to windows and run fexplorer.exe

3) In file explorer go to windows and copy fexplorer.exe

4) in file explorer navigate to windows\startmenu

5) Paste a shortcut to fexplorer.exe

6) rename the shortcut file explorer
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] illegalwarrior:
Well YOU are saying that because you havnt tried it? And you wont know unless you try TRUST me.

PS: My PS from Above still Count :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tony888:
hi everyone, i've been using the kwbr's vanilla series rhodium for awhile now, its been the best 6.50 i've, almost fast as the 6.1 link here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=578338 :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tsalta:
Can anyone who use Topix 3.1.2 (Oct.28.2009) to post a Screen Shoots here i wana see how the ROM looks like :)

I get Confused a bit i want a TOPIX rom WM 6.1 with 2.1 Sense Manila also i read in the signature of odm3xda that he use TOPIX 3.1.2 WM 6.1 with 2.1 Sense

So i download latest TOPIX 3.1.2 and in the Info fille i saw is writen that the rom is with Regular 2.1 CFC manila ?

Maybe we speak for diferent Builds?

Can anyone point me out from where to download TOPIX 3.1.2 with Manila 2.1 Sense ?!

THANKS
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] yozgatg:
Well, i might be up for it perhaps, i was just scrolling through XDA and saw this thread. Anyway, i'm the chef of the Gen.Y series (for the Touch Diamond/TouchPro) which is a WM6.1 + Sense 2.1/2.5 Multilanguage ROM. I could expand my kitchen to also include WVGA packages without too much effort so it can be used to build Blackstone roms. Anyway, would any of you guys be genuinly interested?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] THUDUK:
yozgatg

WOW so great to hear from you, I sold my Diamond to get a Touch HD, sometimes I wonder why, but It sure has a marvellous screen and a little more memory to play with.

I use to use your roms back then and would love to have a Blackstone Yozgatg ROM, with 6.1 and manila 2.1.

Please if you need anyone to test let me know
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] THUDUK:
Fact Sense 2.5 is not designed for our device, it runs OK at best, fast is not a word that can be used, I have tried for months on end all the roms on this forum without fail, I havetested each to the enth degree and have returned to WM6.1 for its speed and trustworthy use, I need a quick device when in a meeting, totally instant.I know you wouldn't say a 6.5 build was slow, but each littlepause to do everything builds up to loss of concentration, I do care about looks and if there was a way to change icons in the WM6.1 system then it would be perfect. I agree WM6.5.3 especially has some great finger friendly help and looks of the WM6.5 are sweet. I thought I would never come back to 6.1 but its like Windows 7, vista vs XP...for 3D design and application speed I choose XP everytime.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dizzle:
I would definitely be interested in trying your ROM on my Blackstone. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] borg28:
count me in if you can pull it off that would be great love to see 6.1 with manila 2.1 so hopefully we see some great roms from you!!

;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gabriel31337:
I am interested! :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ParkBom:
i have my own rom Sense 2.5 on build 21056 working flawlessly, just some problems with newer Applications that are meant to work only with Windows Mobile 6.5.. If Yozgatg will be willing to help me i can make a ROM thread..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KeyBee:
Me is also interested :) If you think the complete kitchen, not only the rom itself...

However! Men... Do not hasitate about 6.5... I have cooked my own clean 6.5.3 (28011 is fast, 28205 is maybe even faster). No manila or other HTC sh*t. And I have to say... it is more about the manila (especially 2.5) which slows down our devices. 6.5.3 itself are very very fast and reliable. OK - you have to cook yourself for fast rom while most of these published here are with a manila and many many non-used staff. Without this, relatively clean rom, is nearly as fast as 6.1 and with more functionality.

Maybe it consumes more memory, however it utilizes this in a good way so opening any default application is ok. And I think, my RAM utilization about 29% after soft res is very promising ;) Also the battery lasts for 2 days without problems during normal usage :))

In general - do not complain about slow roms, if u use manila. It is the **** - it is slow, its usage is not comfortable as WM itself for me (since 6.5.1 while it is really finger friendly). Try really clean 6.5.3 rom and then compare... please. (And I think selfmade cooked rom, not the ones like Energy - nothing against this, it is good rom, but to fancy to run smooth).

Greetings for all cookers :) and HD users!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] THUDUK:
Can you use transcriber on 6.5.3 ?

What is the increase functionality apart from Mr.blobby fingerness ?

Don't get me wrong I like 6.5.3, still not as instant as 6.1.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KeyBee:
With new OS Kitchen which is published in "Touch HD ROM kitchen based on Ervius kitchen" topic (actually the 28205 kitchen) the transcriber is available by default. I have it in actual rom, however I will remove it in my next build while slows down the selection of input method.

Functionality:

Better handles the memory (I do not speak about the consumtion, which could be sligthly higher then with 6.1). It access the memory fast and optimizes the cache usage.

Settings (e.g. for wifi - not the HTC one but the default) are more user friendly - I have mentioned the wifi - so, if you do not want to connect with any specifics, it offers you only a bubble dialog for setting the password (no other things are needed to set - it is autoconfigured - a great difference compared to old 6.1, if I remember for the selection of password type etc.). And other things about handling are similar - are going towards BFUs :)

The design does not differ only by the new "keys". These have a slightly different way of handling - the menus which are offered etc. For me - the usage is faster definitely. Other thing about these - I !personally! dislike start menu on top. I have long fingers, but it was about breaking my finger every time I wanted to press the start "over the diagonal".

Of course - as was stated before, I do not use manila. Big advantage for me is the Titanium screen of 6.5+ which is missing in 6.1. It is perfectly configurable, easy, fast, not memory consuming. And if anybody says something about weather e.g. - did you try the Titanium Weather? Better than the manila one (more detailed, with radar if u wish :) )

But definitely - the choose of the wm is the same like with roms - it is about personal matter ;) And for me, 6.5.3 beats the 6.1 in so much aspects... (not in all of course - the performance should be a little - very little - worse, but...)

Finally - I have to state I am not an owner focused on "fancy staff". I like nice looking system, however the usability is the most relevant. The fancyness is good for first days after installing, however it is not a good feeling, when some nice girl gives you a contact and you have to say: "please, wait, wait, wait a little bit more, I have to wait for my manila accessing contacts" ;)

PS: Excuse my English... it is not my first language
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BuroBernd:
definitly, +1
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sillysod:
For sure, I can't stand my phone at the moment with Sense 2.5, but I hate the looks of all the others. Why can't the chefs put some effort into making 6.1 more palatable visually?

Sense 2.1 is slow too, for no real reason? Considering the processor in these devices is pathetic compared to the iPhone with a similar Mhz, shows how inefficient and lazy this software is.

HTC should be ashamed for not continuing to support the Blackstone with software. I am considering not returning to HTC in the future, 1 Ghz Snapdragon or not.

Get the feeling they sold us the Blackstone then ran away?

Sloppy PR.

@ yozgatg - I'd be a tester!