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[G1 General] lbcoder:
NO.

INCORRECT!

First, it is not subsidization at all -- in a subsidization, THEY actually cover (some of) the payments. It is a LOAN, plain and simple.

The proceeds from YOUR payments go into paying it back.

The purpose of this LOAN is to TRICK YOU INTO A CONTRACT. The interest rates are very high -- WAY better to add it into your home credit line if you really are too stupid to actually save your money.

THAT IS ALL.

The phone company does NOT want to loan you money. They want to TAKE your money. Forcing you into a contract is how they do it. After this happens, YOU HAVE NO CHOICE except to either keep on paying them monthly as per the terms of the contract, pay the penalty to get out, or go the bankruptcy route (which of course, kills your credit).
[G1 General] Binary100100:
You know the way that I see it is that I bought the G1 while it was still on pre-order. Which means that I still have what... about 7 months left on the agreement? Why don't we wait and see what new phones come out in the next 7 months? Damn people, have patience. Won't you kick yourselves in the ass when you spend over $500 on a Nexus when Google lowers the price down to $300 in a couple of months? Or if they come out with a phone (dare I say it?) better than the Nexus and for cheaper? Is it feasible that it could happen when my agreement is up and it is time for another upgrade? I should say so. So I'm just gonna wait and see what happens.
[G1 General] lbcoder:
Car loans tend to be much lower interest rates... like 0%.

Phone loan ASSUMING $130 on $530 (doesn't really tell the story though since it doesn't account for all the excess built into the plan, i.e. you MUST buy the most expensive data plan, even if you don't use it...), that is 12.3%

Prime is what? 3.25%?

Then add on the forced plan excess, lets say $25/month x 24 months + $130 = $730 in interest. Which is what it effectively IS.

So now you're looking at an interest rate of ~69%. Yes, that is downright CRIMINAL, but since it gets shoved in as a forced plan rather than as direct interest, they get away with it.
[G1 General] Klyentel:
^^good point
[G1 General] melterx12:
I never said subsidizing the nexus one was taking it out on a loan, that was a completley different user who wrote that post.
[G1 General] Ace42:
Didnt this happen with the cliq and mytouch?

Better phones were made(droid/hero).My point is im waiting till my bday in july to get a new phone, im considering winmo though since i prefer it over windows for certain things.
[G1 General] JAguirre1231:
Winmo, really? Wow...
[G1 General] Ace42:
i wasnt serious lol

my last phone had winmo and i didnt like it:(
[G1 General] Binary100100:
We don't take too kindly to WinMo folks around here.
[G1 General] patrickalexson:
Thank god we don't have contracts with supermarkets. Shop here for this price under a 2 yr contract.
[G1 General] Binary100100:
Guessing you don't buy wholesale at like Costco or Sam's Club huh?
[G1 General] Ace42:
What We Deserve!

We deserve to have a larger and faster data experience not this crappy network that continues to go from 2G->3G->2G and so fourth. Your Dream wont come true but luckily Magic owners on Rogers will get the 2.1 update so happy days for them:) But the G1 should get discontinued so the average joe doesnt get a slow phone when he could of had a V8.
[G1 General] j.books:
i'm in the same exact boat contract-wise (I got my G1 onthe 1st day and actually its more like 9 months left though, not 7).

ok, but when your contract runs out and you sign a new one to get a subsidized phone, you're still going to pay more in the long run because you've signed a contract for a high monthly charge.

however, even if I'm going to buy an unsubsidized phone, you're right that as long as I'm still under my old contract, it probably makes more sense to wait til the contract is closer to being done to get the new phone. i'm jsut not sure I can wait that long, because frankly, I'm getting a bit tired of the G1.
[G1 General] j.books:
oh, also, I'm not sure there will be any phones to top the nexus one any time too soon because its processor is brand new, and OLED screens are also very new. not many phones have 512 RAM either. camera is not a big concern to me. since this generation of phone tech has just arrived, I don't see there being a new generation in terms of specs for a while. the only thing I can foresee mattering for some people is the possibility of a qwerty being added.
[HTC Startrek] Jemmauk:
Has anyone considered using the camera designed WiFi + memory cards - there is a 4gb one available but I dont want to spend that sort of money to upgrade the phone if its not going to work with the StarTrk :(

If anyone has tried this could you let me know?

regards

Jemma
[HTC Startrek] BHSPitMonkey:
Those cards won't let the phone connect to the internet; The cards connect to the network themselves for managing the photos they contain.

The device doesn't see a WiFi adapter, but rather a storage device.
[HTC Startrek] aldo0203:
man, you are not correct, you can buy a wifi MICRO SD CARD and put in the phone slot, so in theory you can conect to internet; previously you need to upgrade to WM 6.1 Pro...
[HTC Startrek] TAMHAN:
WIFI MICRO SD Card is not one of these eyephoto crappola boxen.
[HTC Startrek] Jemmauk:
The problem with most of the WIFI SD is that they dont have memory built in so far as I know and are longer than a standard card also, which will not fit in the Startrk :(
[HTC Startrek] Jemmauk:
As an update to this - the OMAP850 chip has wireless capabilities built in - so whether it would possible to somehow get someone working on getting this connected to an arial and have it set up into a ROM?

It might even be possible to swap over the board for the VOX into the Startrk to provide this capability...
[HTC Startrek] Dalamak:
anyone? anyone?
[G1 General] digitaljeff:
Rogers will soon be offering all dream owners a free upgrade to the Magic. Due to Rogers pushing out a android 2.1 update to the magic in the comming months and the dream receiving no such update, rogers will be allowing dream users to trade in for a free magic.

http://www.teleclick.ca/2010/01/rogers-wireless-lets-htc-dream-users-upgrade-to-htc-magic/

dont know about you guys but i think im going to take advantage of this deal to get the added ram the magic has. i will miss more hard keyboard though...
[G1 General] :
That is definitely a downgrade.

No keyboard = no good.
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
It's a step in the right direction but don't get too excited.

The Magic and the Dream came out at the same time for Rogers and most of us knew the Magic had more ram but we still took the Dream because of the keyboard.

Also don't forget that Rogers has a policy that you can't get HUP from them in the first 2 years of your contract with a smartphone. Now obviously they are going to tweek this to allow us to "upgrade" to the Magic but it will surely come with a contract extension, which mean you'll be tied for another 2 years before you can upgrade again. Lets also not forget that the Magic has the same slow arse processor the Dream does. Do you really want to be stuck on the Qualcomm® MSM7201A 528MHz processor for another 2 years :eek:?

I'd be much more willing to spend a few bucks and get a real phone. You know if the Rogers had the Milestone or the Nexus One.
[G1 General] lbcoder:
I personally don't have any issue with the CPU on DREAM.

It *IS* a phone....

I would NEVER give up the keyboard though. Even for a GN1.

Those rumors of the "enterprise edition" of the GN1 with a keyboard sound nice....
[G1 General] Staz87:
Yeah the keyboard is a must! I have had alot of HTC devices in the past with no keys, so I finally got the dream a few months back and so far I am loving it, and the update doesnt really matter to me once my 2 year is done I will get a new device.
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
Well I did the free upgrade. I was 7 months into my 3 year contract so I had to renew for 3 years and my HUP credit gets reset to the full 3 years but I figured I couldn't pass it up.

Question is do I keep both phones or do I sell the Magic brand new, or do I jump ship and sell the Dream and hold onto the Magic for a little while?
[G1 General] digitaljeff:
dont know why you had to re-sign for 3 years... i sweet talked the rogers agent and stayed on my existing contract (2years 7months) as well as i didnt have my HUP change...

mabey its because im a stunningly good looking guy.. who knows ;)
[G1 General] nightwanderer:
Well everyone I wouldn't worry too much about the 2 yrs before you get another HUP (Hardware Upgrade) there are big changes coming to the program!!

Imagine a HUP for the cost of a new activation, unheard of right? Welcome to the new Rogers, yes there will still be a 2 or 3 yr commitment required in order to get that new HUP, but instead of paying $199 for a new phone, it will be as if you walked in off the street and signed up!!

Lot's more new stuff coming out in the future, so stay tuned!!!
[G1 General] digitaljeff:
Forgot to mention the deal is only available till end of this month. Also you get to keep your dream. Free phone, can sell your old one if you want, its stupid to not take advantage of this deal, unless you bought the dream when it first came out.
[G1 General] beav_35:
I called in to see if I could get this upgrade, but they said that I was not eligible because I have not had the account for two years. Is this correct, do you have to have been with rogers for over two years to get this upgrade?
[G1 General] nightwanderer:
Call them back and tell them that the offer is new and they can ask for help if they need to. The 2yr HUP term has been waived for this offer and it is available for those that have gotten their phone either through a hardware upgrade or through a new activation between Jan 1st 2009 and Dec 31st 2009
[G1 General] rhino61h:
I called them today and the customer rep explain to me that only different will be that there a keyboard (like they didn't wanted me to upgrade), I just listen to them and got the phone approved :D everything waived off, there some people on the internet mentioning that there a 50$ there isn't, you only get the 50$ once you renew your contract, but they made a exception for this HUP. @beav_35, if you mention hardware upgrade they wont let you do that, explain to them of the specific Dream to Magic upgrade.
[G1 General] asiano:
Just have a HUP 30 Dec. 2009 (Dream) now upgraded again to (Magic) for $0.00 just and additional one (1) month extension to my current 3-year term. pls $50 rebate.

:):):)
[G1 General] maxawesome:
I said the same until I actually got the N1 and used the soft keyboard. The phone is snappy and responsive enough, and the screen is large enough that the soft keyboard is actually easier for me to type on than the physical keyboard on my now retired G1.

You really should try it out physically before you decide, but yeah the N1EE may make me eat my words (if they don't significantly increase the size of the phone to add the keyboard (but I'm guessing it will be back to roughly the same size as the G1).
[G1 General] maxawesome:
On another note, I'm really wishing T-Mobile would do the same, at least a G1 to refurb MyTouch upgrade. Would make my wife worlds happier.
[G1 General] Macmee:
Isn't that complete bull****? I'm running 1.6 on my Rogers dream now from Cyanogen.

ALSO can I get this upgrade? I don't have a contract with Rogers. I bought my Rogers dream from ebay and use it on Bell?
[G1 General] nightwanderer:
No you won't be able to do the upgrade if you didn't get the Dream from Rogers.
[G1 General] JamieD81:
im calling tomorrow to see if i qualify, i got my dream from rogers in july 09

got a new contract in november.

would it make a difference if my contract is under a blackberry bold 9000 but using my htc dream? *good deal on the blackberry so i got it on the new contact and sold it and kept my dream*
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
I got the feel you'll be S.O.L. but it's worth a try.
[G1 General] JamieD81:
on the phone now they are trying to work it out so i can get it. i have the box ect.. imei number shows when i got the phone when i said i did. ill update.
[G1 General] dash4g:
please do, I am in the same boat, and I would get the free upgrade and sell the new magic in a heartbeat!
[G1 General] JamieD81:
so after 4-5 hours and 10 phone calls and a trip to the rogers store here, they gave up and are sending me my free htc magic :P probs just to shut me up and so id stop calling :P

i complained about the 911 feature and it worried me that i wouldnt be able to use it if i needed to!
[G1 General] Ice dream angel:
Its the best way to get stuff with them, I got my dream like that.

I will never give up my Dream though, touch keyboards are inconvenient. Kinda scares me I mite not be able to call 911 though :S
[G1 General] dash4g:
Love it, I did the same thing, they were trying to beat around the bush... I didn't get the "$50 gift certificate" that people were getting, but oh well...
[G1 General] SpencerElliott:
My new Magic is on it's way. Like someone else had said, you keep your phone and the SIM is interchangeable so you can use either phone. It's really a win-win situation in this case. It does renew your contract but I started my contract in September and I like Rogers so it was no big deal to me. :D
[G1 General] digitaljeff:
its not a 50dollar gc, the upgrde fee is waved, which is usually 35-50 dollars.
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
There is some sort of $50 MIR I think but I was too lazy to look for it. I am going down to the UPS store to pick up my Magic today. Too bad the Dreams are selling for peanuts online right now :(

I'll have to try Kijijij/Craigslist and hope I can get 250-300 but I doubt that. I am going to use my fiancee's backup bb pearl until the 26th to see if Telus is getting the Milestone that day. If they do I'll sell the Magic and pay the difference to buy the Milestone at full pop, unlock it and put it on my Rogers account.

in truth I doubt I'll be able to get $200 for my Dream.
[G1 General] Ice dream angel:
lol I just resigned my contract on the 16th so its not much for me lol.

I ordered my upgrade online :) no fighting with customer support
[G1 General] Sleeepy2:
Ordered mine also. Added lest than a month to the contract.

For Sale brand new HTC Magic. Still in the box un-opened. :D

If I wanted this stupid one without the keyboard I would have picked it when I did my upgrade. LOL
[G1 General] JamieD81:
after i asked the rep 5 times before i got off the phone that the magic will be sent to me for 0$ and i made sure of this cause of my 300$ limit, i wake up this morning to a suspended account, called in and the lady was just a douche bag and went on about 549$ charge for the phone, i told her i would NEVER account a 550$ charge on a 300$ credit limit. so now my phones suspended awaiting some TLE? i think is what she said, where they listen to the call to make a judgement. depending on the outcome, whats another carrier in bc i could use htc dream/magic on? cause ill pay the 500$ cancelation fee and keep both phones.
[G1 General] veldargk:
$50 MIR

Okay. To clarify, the $50 is not some sort of gift certificate or network reward.

Prior to January 15, 2010, if you wanted to upgrade to an HTC Dream for example, you would receive a charge on your bill showing a cost of (lets say you were a Tier 4 customer) $129.99 with no admin fee. Tier 4 means you get the floor price. The floor price is $79.99. You get a $50 MIR with your upgrade and YOU send it in. When Rogers office (somewhere out in NS) receives it, they will credit your account for $50 bringing the net cost of the phone to your floor price of $79.99.

As of January 15, 2010 as long as you meet the time requirements that follow, you will receive floor pricing (and yes, you WILL have a $35 admin fee charged as well. Hey, everyone wondered why they couldn't get the prices for upgrades that new customers received on the same phones? Well, here you go. Don't bi*ch about the $35 please.) *NOTE* You do NOT receive a $50 MIR under these new terms.

1. Upgrading (or downgrading if you've got a smartphone already, I guess) to a regular handset or dumb phone requires a one year wait.

2. If you've got a smartphone, and wish to get another smartphone, you will wait 2 years.

*EDIT* Oh, yes. So my whole point is if you took advantage of the Dream to Magic upgrade offer prior to the 15th, you should NOT be receiving a $50 MIR as your price is already $0. After the 15th, no MIR's anyway.

Hope this clears up any misconceptions.

James (and yes, I work for a Rogers dealer).
[G1 General] Freedomcaller:
where are all the old dreams gona go? ill take a few....
[G1 General] JamieD81:
people get to keep them, its a hardware upgrade, no need to send old dreams, my guess is alot of people will get the magic and sell it, and some may keep it to mess around with as a backup phone or keep the dream as a backup.
[G1 General] geeboi88:
just so you know... i read on howardforum that the deal is back on. apparently all the magics are running the new update now and everything is supposed to be fully functional tomorrow (but some have been able to get it done today). the offer is to run till the 14th.
[G1 General] GreenEnvy:
Confirmed.

Rogers Dream owners who purchased before Dec31 2009, and got a 3 year data contract, are eligible for a free upgrade from a Dream to a Magic.

Just call into 1-888-rogers1, say account change, and then wireless.

Have rep pull up account, say you are calling about the Magic Plus zero dollar upgrade.

This offer is only good until Feb 16th!

You will be sent a new magic in 3-5 days. You can keep your dream as well. There is no cost, but your contract will have the number of months you are into it added back to it, so if you are 6 months into a 3 year contract, they will add 6 months to your contract.

I just got one of our employees phones ordered 5 minutes ago.
[G1 General] D RoiD:
I called as well, they will do it and you keep the old phone.

My question is can you root the new Magic??
[G1 General] Sleeepy2:
Nope

10char
[G1 General] SilentTweak:
Don't forget to mail in your $50 MIR, for an extra $50 credited to your account. http://downloads.rogers.com/wireless/forms/hup_rebate_coupon_e.pdf Yes, straight from Rogers. Just fill out the form, mail it, and watch that $50 credit appear on your next bill. Don't forget to mail it with your Proof Of Purchase, that comes with the phone in the box. Ex: http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/...111887/post7725466/?highlight=PoP#post7725466
[G1 General] Chief_Tomohawk:
its febuary 14th today and i just found out about the free majic upgrade. luckly i was elegible and gave rogers a call. i understood that the deal ended on january 26. so i was pissed that i wasnt told about it by rogers. its not like i check constantly to see if i can get a new phone for free. anyways the idiot on the other end of the line gave me the deal, didnt add any time to my contract, waved both of the fees for the new phone and i get to keep my dream. i think il try to sell one of the phones. i cant decide. i just did that stupid 911 update and now i cant root my dream because onetouchroot hasnt been updated yet. unless that gets updated soon il prob sell my dream. what do u guys think these phones go for?
[G1 General] SilentTweak:
People are still selling them for $200 to $300.
[G1 General] el_pablo:
Just received my Magic yesterday. I'll wait 'til the next bill to see if there is any fees for this phone. After, I'll ebay it "lespac" it.
[G1 General] vwauditech:
Need help from a Rogers contract customer!

Heres the deal guys. I am in the US as you can see and I purchased a Rogers Dream from one of our members via marketplace. I bricked the phone, on accident ofcourse, and I need someone with Rogers to call it in to warranty. I had sold a AT&T Tilt 2 to another member and he called it in, but he is a prepaid customer and they wouldn't do it. The Rogers rep told him just have someone with an account call it in for him. Thats where I am now, I need someone to call it in for me. I believe they said they would be sending a new phone and then this one must get sent back to them. If anyone out there is willing to help me out I would greatly appreciate it.

Kevin GTalk is kevsppc@gmail
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] intered14:
I am looking for a program that can turn off all the data connection (checking mail, updating weather ect) lets say at midnight and then automatic turn it on again in the morning.

Is there a program that can do this?
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] okraatz:
I use NoData- has never left me with any data roaming charges.

http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] bnm7bnm:
there one from xda: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=610657
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] killer8nl:
Maybe: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=503131
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ioannis.p:
Hello. First of all i like your portal very much,

I have some problems running an app that i created in EVB3 on an HTC DIAMOND2 mobile. The same app runs fine on a QTEK S100.

HTC has windows mobile 6 platform.

Is there any solutions for my problem?

I always get error about EVB runtimes.

Thank you.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
Hi!

My thought was to move the wallpapers on the device/My Documents/My Wallpapers or what ever it's called on a English device...

SO i did, moved it to the Storage Card with the same path as on my device.

Unable to find my wallpapers unless i browse on All my pictures with Album... :)

How stupid is this not being able to put wallpapers on Storage Card/My Documents/...

And why is my Album take for ages to update some times?

It's not fun when you should show your pictures to a friend, it almoast ends with a question: How much did you say you paid for that phone? :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
But you can use an image as wallpaper, regardless of where it is. Am I missing something here?

Incidentally, my albums load nice and quick every time, so I don't know what your problem might be. The thumbnails are cached first time they're seen, so they should load nice and quick every time after that (not that the 1st time is slow anyway).

If you're looking at images on the storage card, maybe the card is a bit crap/damaged.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
It was i who did not explaine all that good:

No my Album almost everytime take ages to load, but i think it is when i have ended the album... anyway my thought was to have wallpapers in the same path as on the device but on the sd card, but when i want to change wallpaper it does not search for wallpapers on the sd card with the same path. And that i think is kinda stupid... all other things in my documents are a reflection of the device My Documents why not My Wallpapers or what ever it's called on English devices...

Get it now?
[HD2 General] Archer:
I totally get it now, and I totally got it then.

It does not matter where you put wallpaper. You can still browse to it and use it as wallpaper.

The browsers are set to use the device as default, which is not stupid, or clever, it's just the way it is. You can guarantee that if it worked exactly how you wanted it then someone else would be on here saying they think it should work the other way.

The advice I gave still stands. I suggest a long read of the manual, and I'm not being sarcastic or putting you down in any way.

:)
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
It's a matter of different opinions here i think :)

And i was not putting you down neither when i wrote "Get it now" just so you know. :)

And you're right, everyone has it's own wantedlist and how things should work.
[HD2 General] jelly9:
Hi all

sorry if there is a thread about this all ready but i could not find one.

is there any way of coulour coding the SMS text in the Sense UI. e.g. blue text fo my SMS and green for the reply SMS.

Many thanks
[HD2 General] Syphon Filter:
oh, I too would be interested in something like this.
[HD2 General] chongbh:
Yes, it would be great to have the colours embedded into the conversation screen but importantly, HTC or Windows Mobile has to settle the laggy sms loading problem and the sms sending problem first.
[HD2 General] jelly9:
has any one found any thing do this yet?