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[About XDA developers] svetius:
Hey Everyone,

I’ve been an XDA user (under another name) for a long time, but now I’ve been appointed a new role to work with Flar and the moderators to make the user experience here better. For example, some of you may have noticed that the site has gotten faster in the last several days and that there are fewer 502 gateway errors. This is no fluke—we’ve employed an expert server administrator who has been restructuring the database to allow for quicker access speeds and far fewer errors. There is still a lot of work to be done, but we’re off to a pretty good start.

Beyond improving site speed, number two on our list is to cut down on spam. We’ve already experimented with a few tactics that have had varying levels of success, and we’ll keep at it until we get it right.

We’re also working on a home page redesign (or the “portal” as some of you know it). Our goal is to make it a useful destination for finding the best content in the forums and to make it easy for users to find new information about a particular device without having to scan through dozens of threads. We are recruiting volunteers to help identify and "promote" content to the main page, which requires some writing skills (see the "news" posted to the home page in the past couple of days). If you're interested and serious about helping, send a PM to Flar; she is organizing the effort.

Finally-- and hopefully this doesn't cause a mass uproar-- we are considering the idea of selectively adding non-HTC device forums (focused on Windows Mobile and Android devices). Every day we get requests from users for this, and there's really no good reason why we cannot oblige them. Already the discussion is happening in the general forums. That said, we will only add new forums if: 1. We are confident added traffic won't cause site speed to suffer; 2. We can recruit quality moderators; and 3. The content and discussion is of high quality. The only way to know these things for sure is to try it out. So, within the next 14 days we are going to add two or three non-HTC forums. The delay is to ensure the site continues to operate at a reasonable speed and so we can figure out where to put the new forums (the forum homepage is already absurdly long and cluttered). We are open to suggestions as to deserving devices for our first non-HTC forums, so give us your ideas in this thread.

I look forward to working closely with you to bring about exciting new changes to XDA that will make the experience better for you. :)
[About XDA developers] Badwolve1:
Hi Svetius

I asked a while ago for a forum for the Roadster, HP iPAQ HX4700, unfortunatly i received no more information on the topic since I sent a PM to Flar, if this could be added as a new forum, i would be happy to moderate it
[About XDA developers] orb3000:
XDA in 2010

Great to know about all this changes and modifications!

XDA is the number one forum on it´s genre:cool:

Personally I think adding non HTC devices could add a lot of intensive traffic and may deviate the main objectives and efforts from what this site was created, but I will support and promote any final decision made by Owners & Admin:)

Count with my help if required.

Just my 2 cents

Long live to XDA!!
[About XDA developers] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
It's great to see another Admin aboard XDA, and a very ambitious one at that! These sound like very exciting changes XDA will be going through, and some are much needed, like spam control and an update to the portal. I look forward to watching these take effect
[About XDA developers] dcarr622:
Amen to non-HTC devices!

As a longtime HTC fan, I appreciate the great community we have here at XDA. But I'm looking to branch out, and I recenlty purchased a Toshiba TG01 that is a powerful device and I'd love to see a forum for that if there is enough demand.

The LG Expo is also poised to be a big seller here in the states; already there is work going on with that here at XDA, so perhaps that deserves a forum (it's one of the first WinMo Snapdragon devices after all).

Long live XDA!

PS Maybe a different color scheme would be nice, the yellow has been giving me lots of eye strain recently...
[About XDA developers] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
If you use Firefox you might want to try this.
[About XDA developers] Chainfire:
Very glad to hear XDA is dropping their completely non-sensical rule of not allowing non-HTC devices (oh, but we will allow Android on a WM-centric site? pfff)

Aside from l3v5y, none of the better known people on XDA I talk to on a regular bases agree with this rule (most think it's a really stupid move), so I'm sure a lot of people will be happy there will be change.

If I might be so bold as to make a couple of device suggestions:

- Samsung Omnia 2 I8000 GSM & I920 CDMA

- Samsung Omnia Pro B7610 & Giorgio Armani II B7620 (pimped pro)

- Toshiba TG-01 (aka T-01A)

- LG Expo (aka IQ, Monaco)

- Acer F1 (aka neoTouch S200)

Of course there are lots of others but most of them are quickly getting old... At least from my perspective these are the most important devices... Then again, what do I know, ey?
[About XDA developers] ElCondor:
Nice to hear that you guys are so busy in making the experience better on XDA.

But I think we should not include those other non-HTC phones.

Personally I hate those Omnia's, they're in my opinion just crappy phones.

Sad to see it happen but you Mods probably know what's best for the community...
[About XDA developers] doministry:
Sounds great to me!

It means my SE X2 will have your support!!!

Bravo!
[About XDA developers] l3v5y:
Chainfire:

The main reason I've been opposed to extra forums is because it would impact the rest of the fora here. If the speed of this site is the first priority, and if this site can still achieve what it was made for (it's in the name really, XDA developers) then I can't really disagree.

Also, it would make a significant increase in the workload for the existing moderators, unless we recruit more....
[About XDA developers] Zhuk86:
I think it would work well if the devices selected were only ones that pass muster and are as feature rich as their HTC counterparts (e.g. Omnia II, Toshiba TG01 etc).

I'm fairly new to here, but one thing I do like is that this site is heavily slanted towards Windows Mobile. So while I think it would be great to welcome other Windows Phones into the community, I do not think that Android devices outside of HTC phones should be accepted.
[About XDA developers] m.schmidler:
This is absolutely awesome, thanks so much. Having the support of Xda-Devs is absolutely a must when buying a phone. until today buying a Samsung-device was completely unimaginable!

Maybe you can add some JS/AJAX to the page, so all device-specific subforums are folded, except the devices the user needs (multiple devices would be nice).

And IMHO you need a really good and catchy logo.

If you want me to help with designing feel free to send me a PM ;)
[About XDA developers] alvarhanso:
What a great Decision :-)

I am really happy to hear this. With my second smartphone (TD) i entered the world of xda developers and found answers for every question i ever had. I think it is the best place for discussions about htc devices. When i bought my Samsung Galaxy i was i little bit f***d up because of no more xda developers and it is great to hear this news now.

...hopefuly there will be a section for Galaxy Users? :-)
[About XDA developers] kingohearts2005:
I was crazy about xda back when I had an Apache/ppc 6700. But I am also a person who likes to try new things and move on to better things. There is no reason we should be penalized for buying a MOTOTOLA DROID or SAMSUNG GALAXY. Show us some love.
[About XDA developers] hdubli:
Great News Indeed :)
[About XDA developers] crazy cat:
Wow! Just an awesome news! I think this is a realy good idea and the right way to became thes most important source for ALL Winmo (and Android) devices.
[About XDA developers] Mekishiko:
It's not nonsensical to focus on HTC devices on a website that is FOR those devices.

Imagine people asking for help with their Honda's on a Ford Mustang Forum.

As a long time XDA user, I love this website, when I got the Wizard, then the sapphire, I was insanely grateful to have such resources available to me on this site.

Eventually I got the DROID, at which point I had to abandon this forum, and all it's resources, which sucked, but I understand this isn't the place.

With that said, I am excited to see this forum open up for non HTC devices, as I will directly benefit from it. I am worried however that the forum may suffer not just in speed, but in focus. Think about those Chinese food restaurants that sell Italian food, hamburgers, and burritos, they make everything, but they don't make any one thing well. XDA forum is the equivalent of the BEST burger shop in town, so I think it is a very good idea to run a "Trial Period" and I hope for the best!
[About XDA developers] sakiin:
.... and yes svetius welcome on board mate :)
[About XDA developers] chuk1005:
This site keeps getting better and better, I appreciate you guys taking time to consider and address suggestions (adding other popular phones-Android and Windows based) to the site. Keep up the good work guys and gals!
[About XDA developers] romano13:
samsung galaxy:D
[About XDA developers] Arktronic:
I agree that site speed/responsiveness should be top priority. As long as the speedups can handle an influx of new forums, I'm all for it. Personally, I currently refuse to buy non-HTC devices simply because of a lack of the support structure that XDA-dev provides. Chances are, I'm not the only one. If we have popular non-HTC devices on here, then I'm sure many people would have more options to choose from when getting a new device.

However, that brings up a potential legal issue that I'll address in a PM :-/
[About XDA developers] NotATreoFan:
The moderators have been discussing the addition of non-HTC devices for well over a year now. The single biggest reason for dissent was the overall speed of the site. When I joined XDA 3.5 years ago, this site was lightning quick over 768k DSL. I now struggle with my 50mbps cable line... :mad: Personally, I blame the American phone companies starting to carry every HTC model. :eek: How dare they try to bring us into the 21st century! :p

As far as I am concerned, as long as the speed issues are dealt with first and foremost, which I can assure you they are, I fully support adding non-HTC devices to XDA's library. However, as already stated, it must be done in a careful manner, and we will have to be very selective about which ones are added.
[About XDA developers] Arktronic:
Heh, I'll be happy to blame T-Mobile USA when they finally get the HD2 :) And yes, the site was indeed much faster a few years ago. But popularity has its price.
[About XDA developers] Livven:
Wow, finally this wonderful site gets some wonderful web development experts :D. Great. A better integration of the different sections (portal, wiki, forums) is indeed very lacking now...
[About XDA developers] iridium21:
Thank God for that! I *hated* the vile yellowy colour of XDA - the Grey or Blue is *much* better. Than you for the pointer.

As for adding certain other devices to XDA, go for it!
[About XDA developers] nolsen311:
android suggestions

I am deliriously happy to hear that the selection of devices on xda may be expanded. when i purchased my droid i was slightly bummed to hear that i wouldnt be finding my support here.

if i could make just a general suggestion to help avoid major fragmentation in the android forums: split the builds into general and kernels. This might help people understand that generally android as a whole supports almost any device, but the kernel and modules need porting for specific architectural differences. And don't allow posting to kernel threads, keep those open for 1-way communication and finding the info that devs post.

maybe have a high-level split between android/winmo then subs for device-specific kernels/modules, but keep generalized builds (cm, "sense") high-up so they're easy to find. that way, you only search for the device specific info.

just my $0.02.
[About XDA developers] kourampies:
I support the addition of forums for other windows mobile devices, since i myself needed some quality advice for other wm devices, BUT, this needs to be done very carefully.

Dont forget this site is mostly about developing and tweaking devices, if forums for every device on the market are created, lots of people that have absolutely no experience and sense, will begin flooding the forums with stupid questions and what should i buy threads.

XDA dev is a real motivator to buy an HTC device, i prefer to be stuck only with HTCs, than to have a mediocre developers community for more devices.
[About XDA developers] bxp24:
Is XDA more about the device or the OS?

The question essentially is whether XDA should remain focused on particular hardware or whether it will be more about the OS platform (WinMo and maybe Android?). The biggest problems I see are around scalability and device selection. Obviously not every device will warrant the same--if any--level of attention that HTC devices currently enjoy. So what criteria will be used to determine phone selection? What if some phones are excellent devices, but simply are not that popular (such as due to price or lack of carrier subsidy)? What if good phones are left out? What will be the stance on non-HTC WinMo Standard phones?

Obviously, the original HTC restriction was at least partly in place to control forum scope. But now the team has to think about its mission objective going forward: is it to support the HTC user community or the broader WinMo device community? If WinMo 7 does indeed include a HAL, the need to isolate specific WinMo devices might be more of a moot point.
[About XDA developers] p51d007:
I welcome additional phones besides HTC, and think anything that adds to the Android or Windows phone development benefits everyone.

I've been using HTC phones for about 4 years now, and they keep getting better & better since I found XDA.

Even if the additional phones supported on XDA are not HTC, keeping them Android & Windows Phone OS's should help us all.
[About XDA developers] killerskincanoe:
excellent news indeed. i'd be glad to a mod for the LG eXpo forum if it gets a vote.. to have a forum/subforum... anyways great news all the way around
[About XDA developers] archangel52005:
Agreed! Lets make it hot!
[About XDA developers] matthewf01:
Good move on non-HTC devices!

As a mobile enthusiast it's astounding to see the effort the development community here puts into turning every supported device into "something for everyone". As a non-developer who can't do it myself (I do work in QA though, so I can test stuff out ;) ) I like the idea that going forward I can expect the great community here to be hard at work making future devices better too! Hoping to see a "Sony Ericsson XPERIA X10" Android section so someone can put 2.1 on the damn thing before SE gets to it ;)
[About XDA developers] Stericson:
Personally I'm glad to see XDA consider non HTC devices. I cant wait :)
[About XDA developers] guro:
nice to hear that XDA consider non-HTC devices, but for me it's to late, i already switched back to an HTC device from my Asus ;)

but this will improve the influence of XDA in the windows mobile (and soon Android) world!

maybe the new admin could change the forum view a bit, for example to see only user-defined device-forums. i would appreciate seeing only my device forums and not all other devices. so i don't had to scroll so much ;)
[About XDA developers] GTRoberts:
Yes to non-HTC but NO to non-WM phones

Just my 5 cents...

I've been coming here for a number of years with my various Windows Mobile phones... and this place is an absolute gold mine of information and knowledge.

I personally think XDA should allow for non-HTC based phones but they must be running Windows Mobile i.e. do not support Android or any non-WM OS.

My reasoning is quite simple, if not bias of course... XDA should stick to 'what it knows' - only Windows Mobile phones.

There are already plenty of "support" sites popping up supporting Android, Maemo etc.
[About XDA developers] sniffle:
it's really about what's best for the community. yes the board has to be maintainable, but for the community its worth it.
[About XDA developers] zazza70:
Yess 4 non HTC device on XDA..Ihave OMNIA
[About XDA developers] Arktronic:
I disagree with the idea of dropping Android. First of all, it's too late for that - we already have a rather healthy development community around it for HTC's Android-based devices. Second, it really wouldn't make sense from a historical perspective to not support a large subset of HTC's devices when this community was founded around HTC.

That said, if we expand beyond HTC, I don't think we should support dumbphones like the new BREW-based one from HTC itself. We should then focus on WinMo and Android, and foster those communities.

However, if we stick to HTC exclusively, it would only make sense to support HTC's dumbphones as well.
[About XDA developers] ratcom:
Good Idea!

Well as you can see I've been coming here for almost 5 years and in that time I've had approximately 6 different handsets per year, most of which have been HTC made. Everytime I tried say a "samsung" ect I've found it very very hard to find support for "custom" stuff which as always ended in myself getting bored and moving back to a HTC handset just so I can come back here for a play :D

So in short to the question about non HTC handsets "yes please!"

and remember "more traffic=more cash from ads"

Just as a bit of fun have a look here to see how far things have changed ;) http://web.archive.org/web/20050305051628/xdaforums.com/front_page.php oh and I've still got my imate magic runnning windows 6 :D
[About XDA developers] MRFERRARI23:
I agree 100% that if we do support other non HTC devices that they still should only be Windows Mobile!! And as for Android it should remain as well b/c its been here now for a while and is doing good and will only get better and since we are always trying to get android ported over to WM then I think its best if we have it right where we need it so we dont have to go searching else where!!! :D But outside those 2 OS's I dont think we should bring in anything else b/c then it'll ruin what XDA is about and I dont want to see XDA run down to shyt or slow down from unnecessary traffic!!

Plus the other benefit from having Non-HTC Windows Mobile devices is, when ever we are trying to port over programs/apps from these phones it would be nice to already have them here in our nest so we can access the info we need asap... Dont you all agree??
[About XDA developers] WarRaven:
I was ok with XDA as it was, knowing in my head, that non HTC devices shouldn't be here, but it seems the community has grown way beyond just HTC an WM.

However, it would be swell, if the pooled resources an mindset of XDA allowed other WM devices to join the fray and benefit from this vast experience closer to home.

In my opinion, i would love a forum for LG Expo/IQ, being WM 6.5 Phones.

Hint: I would even offer to help an moderate the forum with others if needed.

But, glad to see some thought going forward.

Peace

WR
[About XDA developers] Arktronic:
That's not quite what I said, but I guess I wasn't very specific. Let me rephrase: it is my opinion that we should support non-HTC devices as long as they are either WinMo or Android.

The reason for WinMo is clear I think, so I don't need to go into it. However, we should support Android devices from other manufacturers because of the already-established Android culture on the current forums. After all, if we expand the WinMo device base, it's only fair to expand the Android one as well. Otherwise, the Android base may stagnate and become unimportant.

In terms of the fundamental differences between the two OSs, I think we're managing to keep both sides going strong right now, and I don't see why that would change if we add more devices on either side (assuming we get more mods to handle the added weight of course).

EDIT: To add to that, I strongly believe that if we are to support more OSs beyond Windows Mobile and Android, we'd be spreading ourselves too thin, and the community would become extremely fragmented. I wouldn't want to see that happen.
[About XDA developers] bsp120167:
I would love to see a Moto Droid thread. Until the Nexus Pro still the best android device in my book because of the keyboard.
[About XDA developers] Viper.MK:
I would like to see an Omnia 2 [i8000] thread as I recently replaced my XDA Orbit.
[About XDA developers] Noonski:
Like smaury mentioned, XDA never really was closed to other devices, but they where in the back room.

My main concerns have always, the quality of threads and forums if new large visitor amounts would come in. And not so much the speed (although that concern has grown over the last year)

And yes it's also great to, after 8 HTC devices to have a choice to branch out without fearing not to spend time here :D.
[About XDA developers] galaxys:
Interesting! Keep it to WM & Android. Try one other than HTC device forum first before adding others. Then phase them in slowly. To make sure it does'nt get over crowded or unproductive! Good Luck.
[About XDA developers] galaxys:
oops, pc is acting up.
[About XDA developers] framed:
Hi svetius,

From User to MOD with special assignment: dual Hello and good job. :p
[About XDA developers] Daneshm90:
Heres a suggestion, become less tolerable towards new members posting questions in the development section. Its driving developers away and driving us members NUTS. Maybe ban on second post in the wrong section or something like that. just my 2c.
[About XDA developers] jrodizzkool01:
Thank you so much for considering adding non-HTC devices! A Droid thread would be awesome to have.
[About XDA developers] 8525Smart:
I am extremely happy to hear that XDA is finally allowing non-HTC devices. There are so many ambitious manufacturers out there making fantastic Windows Mobile phones (my personal favorite is Samsung, a manufacturer that the WM community has really benefited from) that I think it's a great idea to add them to the mix.

Regardless of whichever non-HTC phones is added to the mix, I'm just happy to hear that they exist at all. :)
[About XDA developers] quicksite:
Wow -- this is really impressive! I am so happy to read this. Such a welcomed addition ( a necessary one in my view). I'm a UX/usability designer and it's great to see XDA-devs utilizing your skills.

/quicksite
[About XDA developers] Dr.Gonz0:
Who do you think you are coming in here and doing what you're doing?!??? Keep up the good work man, I have noticed the site running allot cleaner and can't wait to see all the cool voodoo you bust off on this site. This place was pretty tight and I only see good things for this site. And yea, htc is nice and all but hey... if it's a pda and is moddable why not???
[About XDA developers] bxp24:
galaxys has the right idea: take it slow

Although I think it really should be up to the developers and moderators, I kind of welcomed the chance to see non-HTC phones--as long as they run WinMo. Android coverage, I assumed, would be confined to HTC-only devices. However, given the calls for a Moto Droid forum, I'm worried the non-HTC thing will be taken too far and that the community would lose its character. The Droid, Cliq and whatever else Motorola is doing around Android seem like devices that would sprout their own user community. I like knowing there's a passionate, WinMo-centric community built around HTC devices. A little Android in the mix makes sense given HTC's product line, but beyond that, maybe the existing "unofficial" support for certain devices should remain ad hoc.

In any event, I think galaxys has the right idea in that we should take it slow and try one device at a time. Besides, the clamor for non-HTC devices might be somewhat subdued after the HD2 arrives in the States. :)