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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fards:
I'll have a play in a bit on the HD2, pity it's snowing so much, I've not got a chance to get out in the velomobile to see how accurate it is.

One thing that is missing from gpscyclecomputer is a seperate EXIT function..

Using winmo 6.5.x versions (with the bottom buttons) you cant close the app, short of using a secondary taskmanager, so if you can include something along those lines (not tried it yet) then that would be great (and future proof it a bit).

I'm intrigued by the lapfunction, how is it going to work? I've tried a couple of other ones in the past, that haven't been quite as obvious as could be.

Especially when racing, I tend to find that pressing something is a no-no (especially cycling at 35mph and above on a 440m velodrome yo can lap quite quickly) and some of the others don't seem to realise that when you go past the place you started logging then that's the end of the first lap.

anyway, glad to see someone has taken on the basics of andyzaps app looking forward to seeing how it progresses.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks

I've written the GPX/KML code for course following (similar to the GCC's implementation), but I'd not thought about syncing all activities/the totals that way - maybe I'll give that a try! I do want to sync photos in as well at some point.

As another alternative I was considering writing a separate runsaturday app...

Thanks for the feedback - you're helping to make the app better :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
You should be able to close the app by:

- " - pausing the activity

- square - stopping the activity

- home - go to home page

- exit - exit

- yes - I really want to exit

But maybe that is a bit too long winded. I'm mainly testing on 6.5 (Omnia II) so I know it works there...

The autolap currently goes off measured distance - you can set up the autolap distance in the settings for each sport and then the just laps whenever it measures that you've reach the distance.

From personal experience of athletics tracks, I doubt you will get very good performance for cycling around a velodrome - it's just not a nice track for GPS to estimate distance... the estimation errors really build up around the circle :/ For example, I once did a 6 hour track race (normal 400m track) - and my Garmin 301 was almost 10% inaccurate compared to the lap counter. Some of this was due to me not always taking the inside lane, but (looking at the recorded track) most of it was just down to nasty GPS readings. Surprisingly that 10% was an overestimate, not an underestimate. In more normal runs, I think I'd expect my Garmin to be 1-2% accurate?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
I've now seen this too... looks like a winmo/compact framework issue (as the code looks right) - I'll look into a workaround to fix it!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] digital_biscuit:
How do you import map files?? I can't find anything in the prog nor do i understand the folder structure in the maps folder?

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
By default navmi uses downloaded maps from an OpenStreetMap server - as selected under Settings->Maps - the default is a fairly easy to read Navmi format served from CloudMade.

If you want these to download live during your ride, then on the "Plotting" page, choose "Auto download maps"

Personally, I tend to download maps offline - before I head out running - I'm on prepay! I do this by connecting to the web over ActiveSync or WiFi, starting an activity (that I never intend to keep), waiting until I get some GPS lock, switching the display to the map page and then scrolling around the UI to download all the areas I want to.

This OSM format maps is the main direction I want to continue moving forwards - it's easiest (requires least effort!). When you use this the structure in the maps folder is split up using zoom levels, then latitudes -it's a structure that's easy for navmi to read, but it's not a structure you want to play with yourself!

Beyond OSM, navmi also supports (adapted from the GCC code) a couple of alternative ways to use maps. To use any of these other methods, you must:

1. select "off" on the Maps settings

2. do not check Auto download maps

3. use File Explorer to ensure that the navmi maps folder is empty

With these 3 steps done... you can create your own maps using your PC - see instructions in line 547 and beyond in http://code.google.com/p/gccv2/source/browse/trunk/GpsCycleComputer/Readme.htm

I know at least one person is currently using GPS Tuner .gmi files with navmi - if you are, then please feel free to post with advice.

Hope that helps - sorry it's a bit long winded!

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fards:
I'd like to see a higher max than 100kmh as well..

riding a velomobile (a fully enclosed recumbent trike) I can get over 100kmh on a couple of local downhills. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] qurm:
Feedback on 1.1.1.0 beta

Hi,

Some comments on the new version. Note that I am new to the application, so cannot compare this to previous functions

Very nice application, clean interface and readable text, and much appreciated that it is all finger-friendly on a touch screen.

There is clearly lots of functionality, but without a manual of some sort (or experience of earlier versions) it takes a lot of trial and error to find all the features.

Tested on an HP Data Messenger (wm 6.1, with 240 x 320 touch screen). Works fine in terms of layout, buttons, etc.

In the setup screens (Plotting, Appearance), the layout seems to be a few pixels too wide, and causes unnecessary scroll bars.

Altitude - I just see a ? so I guess this does not work (same comment as other users above).

Mapping - I use OSM and already had a large set of Mapnik map tiles. The app managed to use these, but it seems that it was using only one zoom level (maybe 13 or 14). When I zoomed into the map it did not use the more detailed tiles, but seemed to just enlarge the same image resulting in grainy pixels! I am sure the tiles exist on my device, as I can use them in other apps like OSM tracker.

The GPX file shows creator="GPSCycleComputer". I guess you will want to update this?

I'd be very happy to work on some documentation with you. Is there anything to build on from earlier releases or from GPC? Anywhere that we can host a wiki - would the OSM wiki be inappropriate?

Otherwise, keep up the good work, and I look forward to spending more time using navmi, runsat, or whatever it is called!

Andy
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rhtizzy:
Yep, have done some more analysis and alt logging seems to be almost ok until the signal weakens or drops out so obviously more to do with the phone than runsat. Will keep testing.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks for the feedback

Please do keep the elevation observations coming - again today I've seen no problems...

qurm/Andy - if you just see a ? for elevation, then that seems odd to me... that suggests your GPS is simply not providing any GPS elevation data at all. Is that what you see on other apps too?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fards:
no issues for me today with 111 first time I tested it out, and speed reporting seems to be a bit more accurate than 1.06
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
OK - 1.1.1 looks good so far.

Not sure why people are seeing problems with 100kmh - will find a steep hill and head out to do some testing ;)

Release 1.1.2 will happen tomorrow including all the .lang files I've been sent - Czech, German, Dutch and Spanish - thanks :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mk2007:
Dont do it! :eek: We need you to improve runsat more and more ;)

Greetings from Germany

Martin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks Martin :)

From http://www.navmi.com/index.php/2010/05/17/runsat-1-1-2-release/

I'm still seeing better elevation performance and OK speed too - still not got up to 100 though....

STOP PRESS - GOT A PROBLEM WITH THE CZECH FILE - back shortly... BACK NOW - Stop Press over (Phew)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fards:
you need a velomobile, then you can do 121 kmh down the hill and 3kmh back up it :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rhtizzy:
Not that actual logging is the issue but more the live stats and graphs..

One thing I have noticed and would really like to see adapted is that there is little control over the number of waypoints. Roadtripping for a couple of hours logs too many of them to easily use afterwards and really slows all other tools down immensely.

Would it be possible to include something like

Log waypoints options: 'after NN km's', 'on NN degree change' & 'after NN seconds'
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
Old records with Navmi in Runsat

Hi Stuart,

how to retreive old log recording with navmi in runsat ?

I copy all files .navmi in the directory runsat/Tracks but no record appears in the diary list.

Thanks

Matthieu
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mk2007:
Version 1.1.2

Just made a quick test for text size in QVGA --> perfect!

Thanks

Martin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi Matthieu

runsat and navmi use exactly the same files - but I had to rename the directory from navmi to runsat for those naming reasons :/

If you haven't done with runsat much yet... then the easiest thing to do is to uninstall runsat, rename the navmi directory to runsat, then reinstall runsat. This will mean all your settings come across too.

Hope that helps and sorry about the rename :/

Stuart

P.S. Since 1.1.1, the exported kml files do now include lots of the details you asked for - including kml files you export from previous navmi runs.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks

I think there are two things that could get added:

1. Adding a setting for frequency that trackpoints are sampled - this is straight-forward to do now - so I will do it "soon"

2. Adding some tools to the export code (e.g. Douglas-Peucker) to reduce the route to a more minimal set.

I'm keen on 1 - this will happen.

I'm not so sure about 2 - 2 is good for routes (and plenty of tools support this) but it's not so good for sports data where you want the samples. I'll have a think... it's possible we could offer some form of filtering on the output files - although I'd guess it could also be done offline too.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rhtizzy:
1 sounds like it would be extremely helpfull as is (perhaps measured by time not number?)

2 does sounds very interesting in combination with 1, but also like quite challenge.

Would much appreciate whatever you can manage though, as it's the (my) offline tooling which is complaining at the moment and as such it would be nice to minimalise the data overhead before extraction if possible.

Once again, excellent stuff Stuart(&co)! Anywhere we can make a donation yet?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
French translation

Hi all,

i send you the french translation

Stuart, thank you for your response. I try this
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
Stuart,

I test the last version of navmi.

No problem detected during my run.

I saw your additions in the kml and the gpx files: many thanks for these.

it is exactly these informations.

Just a question:

the speed in the gpx is in meter per second ?

Thanks a lot

Matthieu
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks for the translations :)

Yes - m per sec

I think you asked for kmh - but I followed the spec at http://www.topografix.com/gpx_manual.asp - so that other tools might work with it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hello All...

I'm loving all the internationalisation :)

Next question... does anyone want to Internationalise the voice too?

- http://www.navmi.com/index.php/2010/05/25/looking-for-new-speech-files-anyone-want-to-be-a-star/
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] qurm:
Hi - yes I always see a ?. I also use OSMTracker and that shows the correct elevation. If I can do any more testing then let me know.

Also, as I said above, I am happy to work on some documentation with you..

Andy
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks - I will take you up on the documentation offer - just not sure how/where at the moment! Sometimes I'm too busy for my own good! I'll look around for a suitable wiki... or we could just put an text or HTML file in with the app?

For this elevation, one test to ask - do you see a "?" when you use Auto as the GPS device setting instead of using a COM port number?

Thanks

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
Activity screen.

Hello Stuart

just an idea for the track summary screen (activity screen).

On the top of this screen, we have the date, the distance and the activity duration.

Can you add the start time and the average speed activity in km/h or m/h?

thank you for your work !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rs1990:
Is there any option to rename a course file in the program? If not, it would be great to have that option. Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mik_sf:
EXIF info

Hi Stuart !

RanSat is fine for me !

Thanks a lot !

How about add EXIF info to pictures ?

Best wishes !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks mik_sf

I have tried to add EXIF - but it didn't work well on all phones - in fact it crashed quite a lot :(

On my Omnia what I do instead is enable the EXIF data (e.g. GPS) using the settings on the camera application - this seems to work well.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mik_sf:
On my HTY (china clone HTC Cruise II) absent geotagging into camera software. Can you give me some RanSat version with EXIF option for testing by my HTY?

Thanks in advance.

Serge.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mk2007:
Map question

Hi Stuart,

I use runsat very successful but now I recognized that in my huge map tiles collection one or two tiles are wrong or misplaced in a certain zoom. I have the option "Auto download maps" on, and the "Show map download option" off. Is there a possibility to force a download if I am in the area with the wrong tile? If I turn on the "Show map download option" I will get the dnld button in the map, but if the tile exists I got just a red cross in the button when pressed.

And I do not want to dnld 15MB of data just for one 256x256 map tile....

Regards

Martin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
That's a toughie - I have seen the odd tile downloaded incorrectly - but not managed to work out why it happens yet.

The only way I can think of quickly getting these files sorted is to use windows explorer (probably on a full PC rather than on the phone) and to then delete the ones you think are wrong - the phone will then choose to download the gaps.

Sorry there isn't an in-app UI for this.

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mk2007:
Tile download

Hi Stuart,

I did it in almost this way, I downloaded a tilemanager for the PC , see

http://www.amberhome.de/pdatilemanager.html

and downloaded all tiles in my biking area on the PC. The download has the same structure than in the runsat app. After download of appprox 500 tiles which is very quick on the PC I copied the whole bunch to the mobile phone. Today I was close to my "wrong" tile and it seems to be fixed.

Martin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Martin

That is genius! Thanks for the knowledge - I will post it on the blog! Excellent :)

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi All

There's a new release :)

See http://www.navmi.com/index.php/2010/06/13/runsat-1-1-5-release/

Highlights are:

New language file – Portuguese (Brazil) from Cesar

New language file – Russian from KN

Changes to the way speed is displayed – hopefully the refresh rate will work better for cyclists now

The diary/log now shows average speed as well as distance and time (but the font is a bit smaller as a result!)

mik_sf - I didn't manage to resurrect that EXIF code - I failed to get it to work (and I know it always had problems with large image files too) - I will try again next weekend. Alternatively I'm also trying to find an old thread - somewhere someone posted instructions about how to install Samsung's photo app on other phones - will keep looking for this.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Devian:
I'm getting error's on the profile settings, when i want to create a new account.

(something with my username not valid, tried different usernames)

Where do i need the user account for? What can i do with it? an can i register somewhere on a website?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Register on www.runsaturday.com - then use the same username and password within the app

Hope that works for you!

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Devian:
Yes that worked, thx!

One more question, maybe you know it.

on runsaturday.com , is it possible to manually add an gpx map to an workout? FOr example, i loaded an workout from my sigma rox sports computer, but i cant find how to manually assign an gpx file to it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
I need to improve the flow on runsat - so many jobs to do :)

Currently the way you can do this is:

1. Go to http://www.runsaturday.com/Map/Upload and upload the GPX as a "Course Map" - check the map is OK, then choose Save.

2. Go to your Sigma Rox activity, choose "Edit" and then choose your course from the drop down combo - then hit "Save".

This flow will result in the GPS points being used from the Course, but all data (speed, distance, heart rate) being used from the Rox - I hope that's what you want :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] geogeo.gr:
Greek translation for version 1.1.6

I have added some words missing
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
Once maps are downloaded, they're not downloaded again are they?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
If you're using OSM-type mapping, then the app caches download maps in its maps directory.

The only times navmi should try to download new ones are:

1. When you go to a new area or a new zoom level (a level with no maps cached yet)

2. If navmi encouters an error opening a file (in this case it will delete it and ask for a new copy from the web)

You can switch downloading off in the Settings.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
Thanks for your quick response hollywoof. Too much snow here right now to test navmi during running. But I'll prepare with downloading the maps through AS of WiFi.

I'll report back later ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hankeys:
track to follow GPX

i have a problem, when i want to use track to follow funkction. i use create map on www.runsaturday.com, i plan my track, save it, download it as GPX, save it to mobile, run NAVMI, in ask for course i choose this track and nothing shows. Is anyone one here to help me?

i have uploaded two GPX files - one named working is GPX file from GPS Cycle Computer which works in navmi as track to follow, the other one is saved from www.runsaturday.com and doesnt word. When i edit i say that the structure of files are different.

Is there any solution?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Just taken a look and downloaded the file from runsat - it works fine on my navmi for me - showing up as a series of purple dots. Because there are less points in the file, it shows less dots than the other file, but it certainly works here.

What device are you on? What version of navmi? What language settings?

I'll try to help!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
One very minor difference is that when I download that course I get a series of points like:

<trkpt lat="49.51623" lon="16.58544" />

<trkpt lat="49.51722" lon="16.58584" />

<trkpt lat="49.51846" lon="16.58619" />

whereas you get points like:

<trkpt lat="49.54307" lon="16.5729"></trkpt>

<trkpt lat="49.54307" lon="16.5729"></trkpt>

<trkpt lat="49.54326" lon="16.5724"></trkpt>

I don't see why this should make any difference (but I'm puzzled why your file is different - seems very odd!)

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Stuhl_im_Orbit:
Hey,

I like your app hollywoof :).

But I think the GPS Cycle Computer was more consistent - in design and functions. Navmi looks a little bit like a melting pot of features, but with more homogeneity it would be near to perfection! I would like to help you very much, but I'm incapable in programming applications :(.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks for the feedback.

I've still got lots of functionality to add to navmi yet :)

There's definitely a skill to adding more functionality while keeping the UI small and clean - I'll work on it! But please do feel free to push ideas and honest feedback in - love it.

I'm reasonably happy with the current UI. The main places where I'm looking to improve look is:

- the style of the (legacy) buttons an the bottom of the "GPS" screen are different to the buttons on the rest of the app.

- the extra buttons I've added for camera, lock, download, etc - need to get these much more styled really.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fards:
thanks for the response,

I was thinking for the lapcount function would it be possible to trigger a lap increment by passing through a 1 or 2m radius of a particular location?

Say for example you start the race (sometimes behind the start/finish line) and press go when crossing the line for the first time, the app remembers this point and every lap when you hit that little hotspot again it gives you a lap increment.

That should work for velodromes and running tracks, unless you're really running wide ;) Distance isn't as important for me as lapcounting in a race, as most of what we do is circuit based and down to laps completed.

i agree with the track plotting, although I have found the HD2 to be pretty good so far on a VD, it seems to give a much more accurate read than my mates garmin standalone, it seems to record data more often.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] waterfietser:
wrong altitude

Hello hollywoof,

I really like the program, but I have one problem: the altitude is stuck on 47m. I had the same problem in gpscyclecomputer when the GPS was set on 'always on'. Something seems to go wrong in updating the altitude form the GPS. Other programs don't have this problem, but aren't as good as yours;)

I am running WM 6.5 on a HTC diamond2.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jeen:
TyTNII

Installed it on a TyTNII (qvga) and seems to run fine. Didn't actually use it but just ran through al the different screens. No problems so far.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hankeys:
device is HTC Touch PRO, version 0.4.5., language CZECH
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks for all the feedback - glad to hear it works on QVGA :)

I'm in the middle of lots of work at the moment - but will be back on Navmi WinMo real soon :)

If anyone else is seeing the "can't upload over GPRS" problems please let me know - I have a fix (special release)

On this elevation issue, that sounds odd - does the same thing occur regardless of whether you choose Auto or the correct COM port in the GPS setup?

On the cannot load GPX course, I'm quite lost. Can I ask you to:

1. Download another GPX from runsat - any should do

2. Open that course indoors (so that your phone should definitely not have GPS lock)

If that other course also fails, then at least I'll then know that it's definitely a generic fault. Otherwise I'll know it's something specific to that file.

Beyond these issues, among the feature requests I've had recently are:

- integration with audio playout

- more voice feedback

- make the UI prettier (more consistent)

- upload photos to runsat

- download data from runsat

- provide ghost training partners

- provide intervals (for running especially)

- provide a plugin API or two

I'll look into which of these we might add real soon...

Thanks for reading - and sorry for the problems.

Stuart