yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
Thanks for replying. How did you configure. I mean it's straightforward as hell. But what i did was sign in and save password. By default it was set to 1 hour automatically, last 50 tweets. What happens is, there is never notifications. Meaning if i do other things such as email, message etc. With the exception of twitter, it does not update and it's proven in the top right hand corner of the twitter tab, above all the tweets. The time is still stated 9am with the sync icon beside. When it's already 3pm, but because i tap on the twitter tab, it starts to update and change to 3pm like as if it's manual with the exception of tapping "update now". It's not updating every hour? Or every 2 hour or the time i set it?

I hope you understand me. Many thanks. Because i use twitter often. And rely on it for updates etc. Thanks.

Anybody could confirm this issue? :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] :
confirmed. no notifications, no sound, no autoupdate (mentioned it some posts before) ... htc seemed to have forgotten something there ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
Thanks for confirming. So it's present in all manila and twitter/peep application? Because if that's the case i won't use it. It's as good as manual updating, only thing different is if you set automatic, and you tap on the twitter tab it will start to update. This sucks. Anyway of rectifying this sternas? :) And huimeester how did you get it to update automatically?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BlazinAsian:
Palringo is still missing from the AutoRotation list, could you please include it in the next release?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Duke Nukem 3Dfx:
SPB Backup starts to close after few seconds of full backup process (((

SPB Backup v2.1.0 + G-Profile v1.1 ... no mods! it fully works on 29.1
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
I will try Sir

Sir, please your customizations?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] huismeester:
Is there a cab file directly to WM settings and not come through Sense that is a long way.:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] brockyneo:
hi

hi guys just quick question is the ati driver in the artemis centre the same thats on chainfire link

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=592663

:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] :
cht... but this afternoon i will flash your latest v30 and will test the twitter tab 1st without anything else. will report again. looking forward to v30! :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
No Sir, it's NOT the same
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
After test 2xHD2 Phones

auto update in Manila Twitter Tab working OK
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] giorgos25:
Hi,

If you have cookies home tab installed then you can add an icon to go directly to the wm settings: (add quick link ---> miscellaneous ---> winmo settings)

Hope that helps!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] :
ok, thanks... than i will take close look, if cht, or my radio, or hspl is the problem!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] 4tune:
Sir,

Flashing V30 went well. I was already up to then point where all apps and customisations were done to my likings, but then I tried Whip2Snap. It all went wrong. Device froze and wouldn't boot any more.

Don't know if Whip2Snap is the problem. I will test again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Hard Reset

and try without customizations...

your HSPL Sir?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] esociarius:
Hi venomhtchd2,

I just tried to reproduce this - there are no empty dialogs here in V. 30.0 GER, if I cancel the editing...

Regards

esociarius
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] brockyneo:
hi sir thanks im kida new so sorry for noob question what will work best the one you have in your great rom or chainfire one i have chainfire turbo 3d installed thanks for the reply :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] 4tune:
HSPL3 (2.08)

Hard reset didn't solve it. Flashed V30 again, but the device freezes at the initialisation sequence. I'm now flashing V27 to see if things can revert to normal.

Thanks sir.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Sir, Artemis ROM has THE latest and faster Drivers for:

OpenGL

OpenVG

OpenVGU

DirectX 3D (3xdrivers MS, ATI and HTC)

etc..

and for HD2 chip-set, GPU and CPU....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] brockyneo:
ah great so i will uninstall turbo 3d :D thansk sir;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] masterv1:
For me my phone is freezing if I use the ATI Driver with Navigon, just after a few seconds and the first instruction then it freezes, with the Microsoft Driver I've got no problems.

It's not a real problem, because it work with another driver.

Great work anyways I love your Rom Mr. Sternas. Thanks for it.

v30 GER

Radio 2.12

HSPL3 (2.08)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
NO, please give us a image quality report first Sir

with these Drivers...:D

Set OpenGL Rendering Engine to "low image quality mode"

is NOT the best thing...:D

I think Disable Vsyn in HTC Menus page of AC

give you more speed...(here)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] brockyneo:
hi ok no problem sir lol but how do i do/give the report i will use the whip screen shot :D but not sure how to do the test:confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] blubbhome:
I tried Sashimi again with your suggestion and it does not work :confused:

IMO Automatic installation on SDCard with Sashimi is not possible (because of WM6.5.5...).

Oh Man, searching XDA is not enough - you have to try your reco :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Guys, I have posted that this app doesn't work in all cases...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RolandCruise:
v30.0 ITA short report

Ok, I've done it again...I thought I could resist but...I upgraded form 29.5 to 30.0 after lunch...:)

Well, so this is just a small report after one hour of usage just to mention that when I edit a contact and then tap on "Cancel" if Idon't want to save the modification, a blank window with two yes/no buttons appears.

So I don't really know to what I should respond yes or no, but maybe this window is asking if I'm sure to cancel...??

Anyway this is a very very small imperfection. Thank you again, Sir Sternas, for your great work. I'll post again if necessary ;)

P.s.: I still haven't installed any customization. From my last setting with ver 29.5 I changed the radio rom to the last 2.10 that's on your repository, Sir, just to begin to try android in dual boot with windows mobile :D

My new setting is in my signature.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] slk-A4:
OperaMobile 10 versus Opera 9.7 screen

Hello @ all,

Sir Sternas, Thanks again for a perfect Rom.:D:D:D:D

Just one question: I do not understand why opera mobile 10 does not enlarge when I move with two fingers. Opera 9.7, which is cooked into the Rom, does zoom in-out when moving two fingers towards and from each other.

Who knows? :confused:

T
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] __s:
can some1 confirm of working totalcmd LAN plugin, mine is hangs the phone after i fill username
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] keesmathot:
That just isnt in opera 10.

you could enable it with bsb tweaks 1.6 (search forum)

then you can add all kinds of programs to a 'pinch to zoom'

list.

regards, kees mathot
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Fl0ppik:
HI! Android work correctly on ver. 30.0?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
you can install BsB Tweaks for that (see attachment).

regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tazbelgium:
Artemis rom v30 french

Artemis HTC Sense UI Customizations

i would like try your customisations from post 2...

every modification works excepts for the calendar ...

i have install CHT 1.8.5 on top of your roms is it the cause ?

Thank's you in advance for your answer
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ink0gnito:
Android on HD2 w/ Artemis WWE

can confirm android is working well with Artemis v30 WWE.

i'm using mattc Leo + Froyo w/Sense 1.5b

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=736545

w/ Android Loader v4.1 for HD2

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=733752

but beware, after first start of android date and time back in winmo is about 6 month in the future and u have to set it back to right time and date. dunno why.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mynullvoid:
sternas, just asking, why is the ROM is a bit laggy compared to the original ROM?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Digi421:
I have also noticed that CHT (1.8.5) doesn't properly work in this ROM. Some settings are simply not saved (for example enabling CHT lockscreen won't save).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NBB823151:
Can I please suggest that before you post and make a statement that there is a problem with the Rom you check various things and state that you have made these checks and then also post all customisations.

Have you flahed the Rom correctly...Read the instrctions

Have you deleted the app data and any other old system files from your sd card before flashing

Have you the correct radio

Have you the correct versions and most up to date versions of any program....

Then before posting an issue about CHT on the Artemis Forum try asking questions on that Forum.

Only then.......OK Sir
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] :
you first have to change to the old windows lockscreen in artemis center, restart, than you can change to cht lockscreen, restart again, done
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] xw0lf:
sorry for question... i'm new here

does artemis rom have/use cpu speed management (some type of dynamic underclock to save energy and prolong battery life)

or something like that?

or cpu always work@1ghz???
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
NO Sir ...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] slk-A4:
Thank you Sir, a very useful app, just what I was looking for: Now my Opera 10 zooms by pinching! And I finally managed to get rid of the useless left button "phone". Utterly useless whlile having the hardbuttons.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=589305 :D:D:D:D:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jjollyroger:
CPU usually works at 768 MHz I think, you can under/overclock it using the software LeoCpuSpeed http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=682663
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
I tested without customization. Looking forward to your report bro. And hoping for solutions. Many thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
Hi Sir, my customizations is zero. Nothing. Usually i will restore through PIM BACKUP before testing. This time i decided to test with total zero customizations with all recommended flash procedure, radios and even format sd card. Please sir i need help to get twitter automatic update working as i depend on it for updates of twitter feeds. Please sir. Really appreciate it. :(

My detailed report HERE i think you missed (nothing but praise except for twitter and string translation of "IDS-DOCSETTINGS" which you will fix and no problem for me.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ric69:
Hi All,

I have a "memory" problem in Opera (see pics)

Am I alone ? Do we need to increase the cache in opera to solve this problem ?

Radio 2.10.50.19_2 SPL 2.08 Task29 and no other problem with this rom Thanks Sir Sternas :cool:

[edit] Curiously my cache was set to 0, I have put it to 4000Kb, we'll see...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cb1100r:
a tip ?:

move cache Opera

Simply create on a memory card on a new folder: "CacheOpera" (eg)

Open Opera => Settings => Privacy => Clear the cache

Then in the Advanced tab set the cache size to the max

Then you type in opera: Opera: Config

You scroll down you will find PREFS USER: click

Scroll down to find Directory4 Cache: click in the input window and type:

\ Storage Card \ CacheOpera \ (WARNING: If your card is named differently is the name you need to instead of Storage Card) and click on "default"

Go down to the bottom of the page, save it and finite

maybe help ...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Your Lang ver Sir ?

you did Full PIM BACKUP ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Your customizations Sir?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] xw0lf:
do you plane to implement some function like that in future??

if not, explain me if winmo 6.5.5 have some power management features to save energy, or maybe qualcom CPU have internal features to slow down/sleep/something...

some of my friends tell me that hd2 with your rom is much colder and battery stay longer...

after all, do you know any software/utility with ability to control power consumtion/cpu speed... anytning in that way

thanx (again) for answer
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] frankcilo:
+1, no customization!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ric69:
The system does not save the cache to 4000Kb :o (even in opera:config)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] :
had to wait till tomorrow... but first thing in the morning... i'm very interested in getting this to work, too.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Sir you are using 2 task managers ?

For me all is OK Sir
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] frankcilo:
nothing to do, does not solve the problem!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ric69:
:o Yes ... Euh no, but i prefer WKTask (so I remove your taskmanager in Windows\Démarrage)...

Ok I've just HardReset, and it's ok for the cache (probably my custo)

Really sorry for the inconveniance :o
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Sir you must give us more info:

-your Artemis ROM Lang Ver,

-your HSPL ver

-your Radio version,

-your customizations...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sebgti42:
question about LeoCpuSpeed v4

Hello Master STERNAS.

What do you think about this.

Can you give us your opinion please.

Ps:install V30 today

As usual for my use it works very well with the software in my signature

Ps2:

With SMS search there is a problem when you click on help then summary

this block on aide
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
I put this app for testing Sir

I will fix-it

new things new problems...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Yes Sorry...is 2.06.51.07

I just flash (with SSPL) stock ROM 1.66

and then 500+ times Artemis ROM :p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Centrinos:
Thanks, but thats the one i have, the start icon i have is a little bit blurred.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] delta-roh:
Have a look at post #1441 (From LondonTownGuy: This can be restored by reg key HKLM/Control Panel/INPUT, delete key labelled 'Redirect')

In post #1460 I asked Lord Sternas to include that in his next rom, but he misunderstood me and posted #1446 (sternas said: Now, I think it's time to wait...)

@Lord sternas: can you check the reg key, please :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Centrinos:
Here a video i made running the Artemis V3.0 NLD
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] aibo:
Hello

the v3 rom have problem with microsd 16GB, it slows down the device, if I take it of, it's okay. I tried the WWE and FRA, same thing, i don't have this problem with the htc official rom.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
THANKS SIR

I am gone cry now..

Can I put this video to first page Sir?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HENWEN:
Sir Sternas,

It's a pleasure to use your ROM, fantastic.

I've one problem with the version V3.0 FRA.

With OPERA, if i would like to download a file and save this file in the storage card ("Carte de Stockage" in french), opera save this file in the folder "Carte de Stocka" and not in the folder "Carte de stockage".

So it' s impossible to save any file with opera in the storage card.

Thank you so much for your work again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Centrinos:
Yes offcourse !! :) ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Centrinos:
I have olso a 16GB mcsdcard, but no problems, V3.0 NLD.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] EViS:
Does this ROM include all the additional software that HTC's default ROM includes (i.e. CoPilot, etc.)?

I'm looking for a ROM without any additional applications other than those listed on the front page (Google Maps, Torch, etc).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cb1100r:
I allowed myself to add it to my forum:) if it bothers you I retired ... I feel that the work of Mr Sternas is broadcast by the maximum of world he deserves it! :)

http://htctp2.forumactif.net/rom-65x-f31/hd2-artemis-en-video-t442.htm
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] The_Steph:
I did have major slowdowns with 3.0 ROM. I just installed version 3.5 beta2 and it is working faster than any previous ROMs I tested.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] alturismo:
after lotsa troubles with 2.8 till 2.9b heres all nice again

one thing i have, after updating windows live through marketplace no more SIM lookup on startup

have to manually start sim manager to enter pin ...

rest works pretty nice

manila gets a little slow when adding or changing appointments.

rest impressive nice ;)

thank alot for this nice ROM
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Centrinos:
Bothers me ? Thats an honour ! :) and yes sternas deserves it !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] romskii:
So guys :P

which are the best settings for cleanRAM on this ROM without having problems like freezing device etc.?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] wohew:
German 3.0:

It does not find any documents on the DOKU-Tab.

I think it is a problem of the naming (Storage Card - Speicherkarte...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lrbpereira:
Think that the video should be form a "clean" artemis rom. Without any change... No?

:cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] wohew:
There are also many slow-downs... going back to 2.9b
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dhruvzz:
hey after i updated to this rom my camera applications icon is missing and m not even able to open camcorder.....can anyone help me out with this ????:confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] indians76:
hello, how can integrate the manila 2.5.19222911.0 a Roma RUU_Leo_HTC_FRA_1.66.406.1_Radio_Signed_15.30.50.07U_2.06.51.07

Maider your help.

Urgent
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] frankcilo:
Artemis v30 ita

hspl 1.66

radio 2.10.58.2

no customization

until Artemis v29 no problem... when you have upgrade opera 9.7 build.... this problem is appeared
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
I'm using V30.0 FINAL WWE sir. No, FRESH install/flash with zero customization. Totally STOCK artemis sir. How? I need help. Please. Thanks sir.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
yes, the week is starting tomorrow/today. Depend quite heavily on twitter. Would really appreciate solutions since this release is really great. :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Sir I test ver 30.0 and I don't have problem

what to say...

I am working on....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] biben:
To add to next ROM

Hello Sternas

Could be something to add to next ROM

HTC Sense 2.5 with our very own RSS Tab.

xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=758107
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
I will try Sir

but no promise...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pa3x:
Its working OK for me.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
Sir, how am i supposed to do? :( I just tap on twitter tab, "tap here to login" enter credentials, tap settings, check auto update every 5 minutes. It doesn't happen? Am i doing something wrong? What are you working on. Appreciate so much sternas sir..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] keesmathot:
your welcome sir ;)

im glad i could help you :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Sir my Server has ver 29.1 and 29.5 you can use

one of these Artemis releases....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] esociarius:
Hi!

It has to be another problem, not the driver. I just come home from a tour with 2 hours Navigon on - with the preselected ATI-Driver - and had not one little freeze. Maybe your HSPL or your Radio or some customizations...

Best regards

esociarius
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] huismeester:
Sir I dont understand all the problems that I read to me everything works perfectly
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
The same for me Sir

but I don't know...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
That's sad for me. I really love v30. It's a bummer. Still, many thanks. Anyway, i cannot get bing to locate my location here in singapore. Always locating... can't get a lock. Default it's seattle. Any ideas?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gabriel.twl:
Sorry to be a trouble for you sternas, was pretty desperate to get twitter working. And it's not a problem for you and other users. So.. i don't know what can i do. It's too late now to flash another rom. Time to sleep. It's 6am here :( anyway thanks for v30.0 nevertheless. Love playing with it. It's great. Thanks sir.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pinezas33:
Hi

i am new in the forum and i want to ask if i can flash the new artemis rom in my Hd2. I have Hspl 3 and radio 2.12.50.02

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Giloux1:
Artemis v30 FRA flashed.

Task29, flash, Hard Reset, Soft Reset.

Customisations:

6Fg8 taskbar_WIN

Touch X remove Top Curtain

Cookie 1.8.5 + Editor

OrangeTVPlayer

DINIK_DJC_Full_Theme_50_v1.0

DINIK_DJC_Taskbar_Buttons_6.5.x._v1.0

DINIK_IconSet_Standard_v1.5

DINIK_Slider_v1.7

Marvellous Rom, speedy and stable. All is OK.

Thank you Sir!:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Giloux1:
Yes you can.;)

And read carefuly the first posts on this thread.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] fox_bvamrw:
It depends, if it's the T-Mobile US (1024 ROM) version you can't, if it's the 512 ROM version, yes.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] DamianFears:
Noticed that the 1024 change is implemented in v30 WWE.

Rom is perfect... except that changing from 800 to 1024 makes the font blurry and skewed in Opera - especially on the xda-developers forum.

I have reverted back to 800 and see noticeable improvement, but obviously some pages don't quite fit without scrolling to the right in Landscape mode.

Cheers.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kroukes2000:
I have found that your rom have always the camera issue the pink area, I use 30.0 FRA version I don't know if you have forgot the hotfix or the problem was from my phone. Anyone have this problem? thx
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Thanks for report Sir
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jimbojack_uk:
Thanks I was wondering about that, much better now.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RolandCruise:
That's why I thought about an AC setting to be able to choose between the two options without using a registry explorer...it's a matter of personal tastes ;)

Anyway, the 1024 virtual resolution has the benefit to show the entire view of a web page, with the inevitable smaller dimension of everything that's in it (images, icons, not only fonts...and it's the small dimension that makes fonts looking that way). Since quite always we have to zoom in to comfortably read in opera (also with the 800 virtual resolution) I think (or...I prefer) that it's better to view the whole page to decide what to zoom ;)

But I repeat, it's question of personal tastes...like everything after all :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tiwas:
<disregard>

Anyone know what's the best/easiest way to enable Facebook integration with this ROM? I've tried a couple of methods already without luck...

Cheers!

</disregard>
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tiwas:
Never mind about the facebook integration...it was some sort of conflict, so I got it resolved. Been trying all weekend, so it makes sense that I got it working 2 minutes after posting ;)

But...how do I regenerate the links after flashing my phone? Anyone know? It's stored on my exchange server in the notes field, so it should be possible...