yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ugoff:
To expand on what mwelch16 stated, you can access a virtual desktop of just about any computer running a current version of Windows with Remote Desktop turned on. It's great for accessing a computer that's nowhere near a monitor or keyboard, like a little server.

This is the version I use. It doesn't exit properly, but the fonts are not all screwed up in the start menu while in 256 color/portrait mode like I've seen in another version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
i have test it on kaiser not something special and eat some ram..

you do not feel the rom speedy?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
23542

Hi b16b,

the best one this also,

thanks for the latest rom everytime :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
Black Clock

if yoy want a Black Clock, install this cab for your Manila:

Manila Sense 2.1

Manila Sense 2.5
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
feel it very speedy, but I thought it'll became more speedy :)

really I use your 28232 chome only, with spb mobile shell , very nice and stable
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] johaness alf:
Great ROM, chef! I try to new Manila builds and your ROM is fast for me then others. Thanks a lot. I have installed your last ROM with some little modification and it works very well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
AthineOS WM6.5 21895 Sense 2.5.2012

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Change Log

New Build 21895

remove 16 shortcut for Manila Home

Add Cookie Home Tab

AthineOS WM6.5.5 23544 Sense 2.5.2012

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Change Log

New Build 23544

remove 16 shortcut for Manila Home

Add Cookie Home Tab

Thanks for using my Rom!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
Is there any real benefit with 23544 over 23542? I just flashed 23542, I'd hate to get things flashed all over again.

BTW, 23542 is the best performing Sense 2.5 ROM out there. Much quicker and more fluid than Energy's, and seems to be a lot more stable as well!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
i can't see something special maybe i can tell you more tomorrow the good on that build is OS also 23544 because we have only OS 23533 until 23542

now the os is new (Core)

i think also this cookie home is very useful but eat more rams.. i will go back to 16 shortcut on next release i want your opinion
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
I quote. 23542 is on my Rhodium and I think is the best one, more than Energy and Valkyrie.

I do not change it for 23544.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
really, very big thankses for your clean 28232 version, it's first time for me to stay long time on one ROM, really it's wonderfull, something very nice also, that NoManila, but there's HTC messaging, it's nice, I advice people who uses SPB mobile shell to use this ROM !!!

b16b, any big difference between 28232 and 23544
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
I think is similar to 23542 I'm using since a week and it is perfect.

I suggest you 23542 or 23544.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
I use 28232 version chome only
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
stick with cookie's home tab, it's a miracle!!!!!!!!!!

or,at least, do not cook in any home tab mod, so we can choose between cookie's, maxmanila or others :)

thank you for your efforts!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bigchrizzieboy:
+1! Keep the rom clean, don't cook it in in upcoming releases.

Still playing with the speedy 21893 release and installed co0kie's hometab 1.6

He will release 1.61 very shortly, now I can uninstall and install the newer version of his program. Not sure if that's going well when cooked in.

Also, maybe i'll switch back to MaxManila and then it isn't posible because cookie is cooked in:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
or b16b can cook 2 versions, clean and with cookie's as NRGZ28 makes in energy's ROMs
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
i just remove it on next version and you will add if you want it or not..

also i do not think anyone will have problem if new version coming out...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dineshh:
Hi

Thanks trying out your 28232 ROM, it fast and stable. Could you pls provide MMS options/ addon Cab or add the same in your future ROM's. Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
no post here for a long time.... :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
It means everything is OK :D :) ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mwelch16:
Everything's running great, we're just waiting for the next updates!! ;)

Really, everything has been running good, I'm on the 28232 version. It did go crazy on me over the weekend, none of the hardware buttons would work. Did a HR, and it hasn't come back.

Still would like a working RDP cab, and would like to see it stay cooked in future updates.

23540 was burning through my battery, but that went away when I upgraded.

It amazes me how quickly you get these roms to run.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bigchrizzieboy:
just confirm everything is great

Bob,

The 21893 build is still amazing fast on my phone with many programs installed.

I'll flash the 21895 later this week:).

Keep up the great work
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
remove the battery for some seconds... and plug it again and try your button if work

flash stock rom also and test again i do not know why you have this problem

for remote control check this cab

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5793949&postcount=897
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ugoff:
Is there a program that comes with with 23540 CHOME only that causes the phone to wake up and unlock when the stylus is removed? Because if there is, I can't find it. I really want to disable this behavior, but I can't figure out what's doing it in the first place. I've read where others have disabled the keyboard open to wake in the registry that that stopped it, but I always disable that. I can't find a registry entry that looks like it controls this.

I remember on older versions of the ROM that came with Gyrator 2, the stylus behavior was changeable. I tried installing it to control the stylus, but it had no effect on it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mechform:
AthineOS 23544 Sense 2.5.2012

Good tidings,

Thanks for the awesome work.

I would like to see more feedback. on these subjects, and other issues that may need addressing.

With 23544 I had the install error, with sim and sd cards removed, after a few flashes, it functioned well

the 2nd main issue, is the 50% blank screen issue occurred twice today.

the 3rd issue, is with HTC MMS, when receiving any type of file, it will scale it down to the lowest size possible, for instance sending yourself a photo that 500KB, it will return at 4KB, and a 160x120 is too small to even see clearly.

I have spent hours searching the internet, reg editing, and installing, and then uninstalling cabs, without success.

I am using tmobile US in MN USA.

on a tmobile branded rhodium
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MDANavymom:
Interesting, I to am in MN on T-mobile with a branded TouchPro2, and I have yet to have an issue with installing any of b16b's ROM's. And I have not had any issue with the blank screens, even when my battery gets down to 12%. I would have to wonder if it has something to do with a thrid party software. I reg tweak the Arcsoft files for receive and send to 1228800 and have yet to have a size problem. Did you tweak the receive registry settings?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ScooterG:
+1 to that ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
AthineOS WM 6.5.5 B23545 Sense 2.5

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Change Log

*New Build 23545

*Auto Restart After First Boot (Take effect all the settings)

*I hope to make MMS to 1MB from 300kb

*Black Clock is back

*1MB More Free Ram
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
thanks a lot, but I think the white is more beautiful
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bigchrizzieboy:
stock white clock as CAB

http://www.energyroms.com/Addons/Return%202%20Stock%20CABs/

go for the NRGZ28 Sense 2.5 White Clock.cab:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Trailblaze:
Been using 23544 for a few days with no problems. Is there a cab for coloured manila icons on the bottom bar? I've searched but cannot find
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
@Fcasoli will upload it soon...

otherwise search the tread.. i have it post in the past.. but i forgot to add it on 2nd post..

white clock add it on 2nd post.. thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] guruw:
Several Questions

Hi, I am really enjoying this Rom just installed the latest 23545. I have some questions:

1. How can I get the missed calls and other notifications in the middle bar, where now the calender is?

2. on the 23541 once i locked the phone the screen saver would come on and now it does not? In addition once there is a call and it is in lock mode you can not see who is calling.

3. I have call waiting enabled but with the last 2 roms it does not really work.

Again, thanx so much for your effort!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Mang:
Bugs 23545 htc album cannot play the audio. anybody flashed this 23545 please reconfirm.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
i just test 4 different video many times all work great..

the windows lock is the old one.. i do not know why i will fix it..

EDIT

Here The Fix
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mechform:
confirmed no audio in HTC album with 23545

besides that ROM preforming very well. Thank you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I had a problem on the last build it was so bad I had to rid of it.

Everyone should have had a registry issue upon startup of setup. which showed a registry error screen with b16 as the error. Which prevented it customizing & setting up.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bigchrizzieboy:
for post #2

Flashed the 21895 yesterday and it goes awesome:D

Got a bit bored on my work, so i hope this is usefull:

Color slider CAB you uploaded yourself:# post 463 & confirmed working in # post 465

- http://rapidshare.com/files/341088256/b16b_Default_Slide_bar.cab uploaded it to this thread, see below...

Easy links you can paste in post 2 b16b:

- Stock Slider attached: direct download link

- Stock Taskbar attached for 6.5: direct download link

More needed anyone? Simply reply

I hope I've helped a bit :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
some times happen this error.. without reason.. even to me..

but after hard reset all working without problem...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
thanks m8

post it on 2nd post..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Problem still there it says:

Error:

Install "\Windows\b16 reg.cab"

failed, code=0x80004005

Its stuck on connection setup.

After hard-reset still does the same thing. I cant run this ROM until that error goes away.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mechform:
nstall "\Windows\b16 reg.cab" failed, code=0x80004005

Hello, not sure if this might help, or not.

I have encountered this error with many ROMs.

What normally works for me is removing the SIM, and a soft reset. then after customization install, it requests you to replace the SIM.

This method has worked for me three times, so far.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
I know you already did a hard reset, but I had the same error after the first flash, but after a hard reset, everything went through fine without error. So far so good!

You may want to try to re-flash your phone and try again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dineshh:
MMS

Your 23545 build is the best so far. But it seems MMS only works in HTC messaging, disabling the same shows no MMS option in default sms options.

Pls confirm.:o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
b16b, any mirrors for old versions? I see that the last version has many problems, I didn't try it, but I read what people wrote
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mwelch16:
f1ip.net

He has all the versions on his site.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
if you disable the htc messaging is logical to can't send any mms

if you do not want it just install

Arcsoft_MMS

with that you can have mms on windows messaging system
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
already you have get the answer but for me this version is the best....

i do not have found any error... and this error on first boot is not a really error you just do hard reset and all ok
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
are you gonna fix this error that you talk about ?

which version you use? WM 6.5 or 6.5.x ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
this error that coming radomly with b16b reg.cab?

yes i found way to included as package.. not cab install it on first run..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I did a hard-reset. I did flash it again. You have to hit the screen & then it does to customization but it doesnt run on mine. It gets stuck at the SIM custom screen & wont go past 0%. Every time I would soft-reset it would re-setup again & again. Theres no way out of it for me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
AthineOS WM6.5.5 23545 v1.1 Sense 2.5

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Change Log

*Remove The cab on first boot customization

*New EZinput

*Fix Lockscreen

*Add TCPMP with all codec
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Viper Matrix Wireless:
Thank you.

I will try this right now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Viper Matrix Wireless:
I got a question this a problem on all ROMS when im in like SMS/MMS & when I get a call the screen does not show up? Is there a fix for that?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ugoff:
Would you be willing to do a CHOME version of this ROM?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tamkhanh:
Mirror for older ROM - AthineOS_WM_6.5.5_23534_Sense_2.5.2012

MegaUpload

Mirror for ROM - AthineOS_WM6.5.5_b23545_v1.1_Sense_2.5.2012

MegaUpload
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
Thanks tamkhamh for the mirrors

dear b16b, which version you use for yourself, wm 6.5 or 6.5.x ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
6.5.x is more finger frendly
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
23545

Great ROM :p,

TCPMP doesn't play big files MP4 from DVD movie, I add Coreplayer working well.

In the next release I sugget to remove free player.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
do you try on gdi video mode?

core play some video better also mp4

some others play better with tpcmp

also tcpmp play ac3
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
Yes but is too slow to play...

Greatest ROM :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
Sorry again.. but new build is out...

AthineOS WM6.5.5 23547 Sense 2.5.2012

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Change Log

New Build 23547

Remove TPCMP (add it as cab on post #2)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
Ok, I will flash tomorrow :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
Now the Benchmarks Show with that build the wm 6.5.5 faster than simple 6.5 218xx series
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
How about compared to 23545? I just flashed that one... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bjcolema:
Is that possible? lol. This thing is flying for me. I get some occasional hangs, but far fewer resets that with the other popular roms. 23545 is the fastest I have tried so far. My only issue is not being able to use the Twitter tab...on all the roms I have tried it hangs manila...once I remove it, things are quick. Everything else is great. Even the manila messaging app is working pretty much without hangs. I love the UI for manila messaging, and am a hardcore texter. Once the hangs are gone, it is light years ahead of the MS version.

I gotta think hard to see if I wanna go through the setup stuff to flash 23547. Probably will tonight.

Thanks to the Chef!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
B16B TCPMP with all codec .cab

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Add it on 2nd POST
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ugoff:
Ok... How about a CHOME version of this one?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
the same

+1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
AthineOS 23547 CHome ONLY

Download HERE (Rapidshare)

Change LOG

*remove Manila
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ccmxda:
b16b,

You are really on top of it man, your work is great. I flash everything I see, and yours is always the best.

THanks for the great work!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nsane:
Let me see if I got this right.

You are saying that 23547 is actually FASTER than 21895?

Not talking Manila, or anything, just the pure WM build.

Thank you
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
yes wm build is faster

test and report.. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JEANRIVERA:
does the dialer here has landscape support?

also it would be awesome to include over here the tilt 2 keyboard fix in this list for those who use your rom on tilt 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
that tmous keyboard fix does not work on titl2?

if not can anyone update the right one?

this Leo dialer is old.. i do not know if that work..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JEANRIVERA:
tilt 2 its from att thats why tmobile wont work the keyboard has a different layout i can provide a picture of the keyboard if you want
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
bob start menu flag

thanks @Jlavoie
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
ATT keyboard fix i hope that work
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bjcolema:
Yep 23547 is the fastest I've seen to date and I can't find a bug. There are some occasional hangs with Sense (maybe a several seconds), but they don't require soft resets any more...at least not yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bjcolema:
I like it! Bet my kids will too...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Olli221:
23547 is the best, after testing many Roms the last months. THX!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rhoneil:
email conversation

Im sorry if this has been mentioned before, maybe i tried the wrong search word. But I really like this rom but I use the 'conversations' option when looking at my outlook email. it helps me so much everyday in either reading a 'thread' or deleting/ moving several emails at once. Is this possible with this rom?

Keep up the great work and thanks for all you do.

rhoneil
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ugoff:
Thanks for the CHOME ROM. Seems to be slightly faster than 23540.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlavoie:
b16b,

first off, thanks for the new rom!!

by far one of the fastest most complete and working out of the box roms i have tried. everything works! youtube (with sound), twitter, IM, and smooth video playback. with 96+ Mb free ram with sense 2.5 running, unheard of!!

thanks again for one of the best roms i have tried to date
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] someeh:
sleep tight!! loooool
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheDisneyMagic:
Cor 6.5.5 now, I just want to make sure, even though the build number is lower, this is a newer build than the 28014?

Going to download in the morning. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] msmith1991:
downloading..

anyone know where i can get themes from??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheDisneyMagic:
Ahh just had a read up, this one is is COM5 and has the newer email threadded messaging from outlook 2010 and the 28014 has the new version of IE mobile.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] marscandybars:
no file explorer in the start menu?

and local time and date does not sync according to location?

There are TWO USB to PC icons in the connections folder

and Messages in Landscape has issues when you go back to manilla homescreen. Small glitch but the screen gets jumbled sometimes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] msmith1991:
WHAT!!!! i cant live without file explorer?

.cab pls
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] zard:
can never download from rapidshare. any mirror like 4share, mediafire, hotfiles?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] msmith1991:
i need file explorer omg..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xavalon:
see posting #2 for file explorer cab.

included in rom is TMC alternative file explorer.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ernestm:
marketplace removed?

Is marketplace removed? I use it to install my apps. Can not find it? MS have download only for 6.1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlavoie:
total commander works so much better then file explorer and has registry editor.

i have not come across a problem with messaging or date and time (make sure you set you region correctly "start, settings, clock and alarms

"), but do see the two USB to PC links.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
the cabs is on post #2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
looking better with 2 :P hehehehe

i forgot the rhodium one and i add leo one... the strange is why do not overwrite it :confused: i will remove one but is not big deal about time all works ok here
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
80 downloads in few hours and all europe sleeping :) we are on extreme good way
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] thimiost:
I don't know if i am one of 80

that you counted....

Well done

This rom is lighting fast

It's almost as fast as my leo...

You just have to check this rom out
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dineshh:
Hi

Is the Latest ROM UC Compliant or have Autoinstall type option to automate process of installation of cab files on startup itself.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
download this one from M$ is the same on first start downloading the latest version..

but what good do you had found there??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
i searching from autoinstall from tom condom i do not have it yet so noyhing from this 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
hi guys, I'm curious about the new 23xxx builds (bever tried them before), but since I need my phone for work (take also a look at my avatar ;) ) it needs to be usable and stable for professional / everyday use. so my question is: what are the known bugs of this rom? is this build stable and usable or still experimental? don't wanna get fired just for trying a new rom, ya know... ;)

thank you everybody

cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JEANRIVERA:
looks like bsod (black screen of dead is back in this build it has happened to me twice in 24 hours can any one confirm?

also the online facebook album for contact not working please confirm
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] b16b:
until now nothing like that on my device...

i do not have test chome only version but build 23547 with sense.. (like you)