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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hankeys:
do another testing with RC 1.0.1, here is the results.i have 3 GPX files, one created with NAVMI, one created with GPS Cycle Computer and one created with runsaturday. No one of these files works in NAVMI, in v. 0.4.5 works the one created in GPS Cycle Computer.

In GPS Cycle Computer works all 3 files corect. There must be a problem in NAVMI.

What i dislike is that the NAVMI files are created as soon as the sport is choosen, and there is no movement, so the directories for photos. I will be good to create the file only in case if there is a first GPS point, and photo directory to create with the first photo, or first click the photo icon.

and THX for this app
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Stuhl_im_Orbit:
Great development!

Thx a lot, hollywoof!

You have a straight development plan, respect! I'm very glad to watch this, because I like GCC a lot and begin to love navmi as well. i will try to support this nice project!

thumbs up for your great engagement :)!!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hankeys:
is there any chance to use maps in file *.nmap, which can be downloaded with this program? http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=581474
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks - I'm testing this here tonight - I think this has to be something specific to the Czech (or the non-UK) part of the app.

I think the latest builds delete the file if you don't ever start the app - I'll get them to clear up (or not create) the photos folder too!

Thanks - and sorry there's not been much forwards direction in the last week - been busy at work!

I also do now have one "secret" feature for navmi that I'm working very hard on! More soon :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
OK

- Have emailed navicomputer

- Have changed when the photo folder and the output file get created..

- Have played with CultureInfo cs-CZ to try to create the problem - it seems that double.Parse("0.123", new CultureInfo("cs-CZ")) fails... but I don't see why double.Parse("0123", InvariantCulture) should fail...

- Have sent you a link for testing - hankeys

I've not fully tested this release - so am not sending it out generally!

If the update doesn't work, hankeys, then please can you turn debugging on and then send me the navmi.debug file that's generated - thanks!

More later.... back to a different fun project now :)

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hankeys:
do the testing with v. 1.0.2 - now all 3 GPX files works fine, thats what i call a progress :) but there is another problem, when i try to click START (arrow) the app crash

navmi.exe

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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Sorry hankeys - it was a very late night last night...

That was a silly mistake in the changes I made for the "don't create files with no GPS" change.

If you want a fix there's one on the same style of link - but with a 3 at the end now.

I'll do a more full QA on this one - then release the info widely.

Thanks for helping to make the product better - runsat seems to have quite an active Czech population so I do care about making navmi work there :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi again

Quick update - no, we can't use nmap files at the moment - but we'll look at finding a different solution!

More later

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] chingok:
I'm using the HD2. Nice job!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hankeys:
v. 1.0.3 works great. THX
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
Erh... v1.0.3? Did I miss something?

Can't seem to load any GPX track downloaded from runsat. Is that a problem discussed here?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks for letting me know Hankeys - glad it's working

Basically, Roma - I'm trying to get out a version 1.0 and trying to put it through QA - so there's not an official release of 1.0.3... but one has snuck out to try to help with problems - e.g. with the GPX problems

If you want to test it too... then try www.navmi.com/release/1/0/navmi_1_0_3.cab

I'll get QA completed soon - then update AppToDate and do the release fully :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
Thanks hollywoof, will give it a spin.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi All

Just to let you know I've been upgrading the runsat server today - ready to let you (hopefully) upload photos soon and to improve the account signon...

As a result you may see some problems - but hopefully won't :)

I'll post again when a new 1.0.x Navmi build is available - hopefully real soon!

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi again

A new release is up at:

http://www.navmi.com/release/1/0/navmi_1_0_4.cab

This contains some changes to:

- the overall way the app interacts with runsaturday (especially to solve the GPRS only update problems reported)

- the way the app interacts with the start menu - so you should now be able to use call/end/home buttons correctly

- the changes for comma's in numbers upsetting string output and parsing - I hope these are all done now :)

The reason for the change from 0.x to 1.x naming is that I'm trying to get this listed on the free apps on Windows Marketplace - but so far I'm not doing very well - struggling with something called Hopper which keeps trashing my phone :/

I'm updating appToDate to 1.0.4 and I'll start pushing through the todo list from here onwards :)

That's about it for now... more soon...

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
Thanks for the update hollywoof.

Finally got the chance to run a bit with navmi (1.0.3). After getting a GPS fix it all went smooth. Ran about 9km with the maps download option enabled. A few remarks.

I don't think the time counter stopped when I had to stop for the traffic light. Autopause <1 speed.

The excercise in the Diary does not give much info. Just distance and time. I need to go to other screens to get the info. Would be nice if a full summary was available in one screen.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Oops - discovered a problem with some uploads to runsaturday today - they look like they never complete... but actually they do.

So.... 1.0.5 is now available by appToDate - or on http://www.navmi.com/release/1/0/navmi_1_0_5.cab

Please be careful to backup any log and diary files (basically anything with navmi or .navmi in it) before upgrading - today for the first time, my installer deleted all existing navmi data instead of just merging - not sure why it did this - so best to backup before upgrading.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
v1.0.5 installed fine without deleting data or settings.

Hollywoof, coming from Nokia I'm used to the Nokia Sportstracker. In my N82 there's an accelerometer. This tool helps counting steps. I believe you also have an Omnia II, is this function available in the Omnia? If so, are there plans to make navmi use this to count steps?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
Stop GPS if battery < 20%

Hi Hollywoof,

i use this new release. It wooks fine on my HTC diamond. :)

Just a remark. I uncheck the option "Stop GPS if battery < 20%" in the GPS screen,

but the tracker is stopped when the battery level was under 20%.

Matthieu
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Just checked... and you are 100% right.

This will be fixed in the next release!

Thanks and sorry

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
GPS lost after switch off the screen with hard button

Hi Stuart,

thanks for your response!

I was running this afternoon to do another test.

I have a little problem (i have already seen this on GCC)

I start the tracker, the GPS is fixed.

I switch off my HTC Diamond with the hard button. I wait several minutes before switch on.

I switch on the phone : i lost the GPS, the screen is red and i have the message (GPS weak). I fixe the GPS after 5 seconds again.

On GCC, Andyzap has added a button to switch off the screen without use the hard button to solve this problem.

Can you add this button?

Have you already seen this problem?

I think it is depend to the phone.

Thanks for your help.

Matthieu
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] aspring:
apptodate not working

I tried running apptodate to update navmi from 1.0.4 to 1.0.5, but it didn't show that it needed to be updated. It looks like the apptodate.xml still references version 1.0.4 even though it points to the 1.0.5 cab file.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
aspring - thanks - fixed

matthieu - I did wonder what that button was for... where would be best to put such a button? Since it's for Diamond only, would it be better to just put this button in a separate application? One other alternative could be to implement an auto screen off mode - so that navmi turns the screen off if no button has been touched in say 60 seconds?

Interesting ideas. I'll look at them real soon - but very busy in my spare time on redesigning the runsat profile pages at the moment :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] roma:
And they look good hollywoof, very nice indeed.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks Roma!

Just so I know who you all are in that other place, I don't suppose you could add yourselves to the "Navmi users" group on:

http://www.runsaturday.com/Explore/Groups

Thanks - more on Navmi real soon!

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 99048907:
Hi hollywoof,

I'm using the HD2 and although previously I said I thought the program was running fine I now have similar issues as matthiieu. I can have good gps, I turn the phone screen off and put it in my bag and it only records data 1 in 4 trips. The gps is normally good as it can find sattelites very quickly and even indoors.

On a seperate note is there a user guide for the program as I would like to read up on how best to set up the number of points to drop and the autopause

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Wizard:
First of all I want to say what a great app, have been looking for something like this for a while.

I'm using an HD2 too and I found the same, if you use the hardware key to turn the phone off it stops tracking, however I also found if you let the screen go off on it's own it is OK. I generally start Navmi and then pop the phone in my running belt and let it turn off on it's own, as it has a capacitive screen it won't respond to any accidental screen touches whilst in the belt. Seems to work fine this way and tracks my runs from start to finish.

Only problem I have is the distance recorded seems to be about 300m more than that recorded by my Garmin 310, doesn't seem to make a difference how far I run, Navmi always records around 300m further, it's not exactly the same amount each time though.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 99048907:
Thanks for posting this, will give it a try
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
OK - thanks - it sounds like there are some issues with the screen off thing, doesn't there?

The screen off just works on my Omnia... and on my test Dell.

It won't happen this week, but I'll look into what to do for the HD2 and Diamond. Would you guys rather have an auto-screen off (after x seconds?) or would you rather have a button? Or both of course ;)

Thanks for the feedback - sorry about the problem.

//

On the documentation, I'll try to write something soon! Sorry! Just too much going on - especially on runsat where I'm just beavering away at present.

Basically:

- the number of points to drop is the number of initial readings Navmi will ignore when first getting lock - this seems to be important in A-GPS as the A-GPS can initially be very inaccurate (even when it think it isn't)

- autopause is the speed in units (mph or kmh) considered as "stopped" - when you are walking you'll probably want to set 0 or 1 as "stopped". When cycling maybe something like 3 or 5 is more appropriate.

I will write something soon - even it its just adding more to the FAQ page on navmi.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Wizzard, on the 300m thing, my initial reaction was "no way"...

However, one thing it could be is the A in A-GPS... especially given 99's comment about "The gps is normally good as it can find sattelites very quickly and even indoors."

If the HD2 GPS is reporting lock even indoors, then the chances are that the GPS position is actually A-GPS - and is probably inaccurate by over 100m (and maybe somewhere close to 300m?) - that could certainly explain your symptoms?

If you look at the track of navmi compared to the 310, then do the tracks look different near the start?

If this is the case, then the initial way to work around it would be to make sure you start with GPS lock - and a later way around it will be for a software mod - I guess I could write something that works out more info using the horizontal accuracy information.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Wizard:
Just uploaded some Garmin tracks from runs last Thu and Fri from Sportracks to Runsaturday, Navmi is set to automatically upload. Comparing the tracks the start and finish points are the same. My routine is:

Turn on both Garmin and Navmi and wait until both have good GPS lock, usually leave them both in my porch so they can see the sky. I start both at the same time as I leave my drive and stop both at the same time when I get back to the drive. Garmin is on my wrist and the HD2 goes in a pouch on my belt.

On Fri Garmin logged 5.82Km and Navmi 6km and on Thu Garmin was 6.11 and Navmi 6.36. Having driven the route I did on Thu the odometer on the car read 6.1 km.

Having looked at the tracks on runsaturday the Garmin track is a lot smoother than the Navmi one, does Navmi do any smoothing of the GPS? IIRC the Garmin does by default. I did notice the same thing when I tried rungps.net, although that was out by a heck of a lot more than Navmi is.

As for the screen off I guess a button to lock it/turn off the screen would be handy.

Cheers,

Mark S.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
I had to look up IIRC - I thought it was some smoothing algorithm :)

navmi does some smoothing - the setting is buried on the processing tab - I think the default is "5 points" - which means that it will average ("mean") your location over 5 approximately seconds. You could try turning this up higher.

As this smoothing increases, then I think you'll then find that navmi will cut the inside corners as you are cycling or running along!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
Screen off

Hi all,

for screen off feature, if you can add a button, i prefere this. But an auto screen off after X seconds is good solution for me too.

Thanks

Matthieu L
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 99048907:
I would go for a button also but as long as there is one of them it should be fine.

Its so disappointing to get to the end of a ride to have no data.:cool:

Looking forward to the next version. Appreciate all the work your doing Hollywoof :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] exec228:
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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
While you're waiting for me, one user's suggested this as a possible workaround - a possible hibernate setting to change:

http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/19282...shut+the+screen+off+(on+AT&T+Tilt/+HTC+Kaiser)

No idea if it helps or not - but would be interested to find out!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] exec228:
excuse me... i posted to wrong thread and could not delete my message. i could not either leave it empty, because forum required a quantity of chars, quite more than "sry wrong thread". so i just holded dot for a while.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi Again

I'm back on this this week :) So expect your display power off button sometime "soon"

Stuart
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 99048907:
Excellent, I have been running mine without turning the screen off and it works faultlessly. Just need to be really careful not to touch anything. Also discovered in off road biking it gives you splits for every mile covered. pretty cool :)

Looking forward to the button
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mastabog:
Nice to hear that. The auto screen off feature can also be implemented (in options) along side with the button; the button is critical though ... i'm still using andyzap's version because of this and I'm so eager to begin using yours :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
OK - I've got it working here on my two test devices (Samsung Omnia and Dell Axim) - but it's ugly...

I'll try to tidy it up tomorrow - then release it.

Sorry for the delays!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
OK

1.0.6 is born

Available via appToDate or via http://www.navmi.com/index.php/download

To enable the screen off button go to the System option screen (almost the last one)

Let me know if this helps with the HTC problems!

(Autoscreen off didn't quite make the cut - next time....)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 99048907:
Tested it in the car just now and seems to work fine on an HD2. Will try by pedal power tomorrow and see how I get on.

Thanks Hollywoof

Now just for the HRM ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joerg.rahe:
feedback new "sreen off" feature, problem with "OK" on Palm Treo Pro

Hello Stuart,

... first of all:

Its a really great application (...based on the honest work of AndyZap) :)

You´re doing a great job, thanks !!

I tested your new version 1.0.6 on a Palm Treo Pro (win mob 6.1 Prof).

This device has a fully QWERTZ / QWERTY keyboard and hardkeys for:

"Win" + "OK" + "calendar" + "adress" + "Phone up" + "Phone down"

Using your new feature "screen off" works like supposed:

=> screen is off, screen saver is on

=> but there´s no keylock for the hardkeys

effects:

a) Pressing "Phone up" or "Phone down" => brings up the navmi screen = ok

b) Pressing "calendar" or "adress" => shows navmi screen short and starts immediately the app for calendar/adress = not really ok

(but pressing "ok" brings you back to navmi = ok)

c) Pressing "Win" => shows navmi screen short and than displays Windows-Startmenu over navmi = not really ok

(but e.g. tapping on the visible part of the navmi screen brings back navmi = ok)

d) Pressing "OK" remains in screen off status, but also stops your running log. The data is saved in the Diary. But your current run/race is stoped, so you have to start again = not ok

Pressing "OK" a second time remains in screen off status and ends up navmi.

(You can controll this effect easily with "my mobiler" on a PC, it ignores the "screen off" and shows the internal screen of the device.)

fyi: the feature "screen off" is the same like the hardware-button "off" on top of my device

(press once = screen off, press+hold = phone disabled)

Greetings Jörg
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joerg.rahe:
feature request: enable/disable single sports

Hello Stuart,

... I don´t need so much different kinds of sports to choose from, when I start the programm.

In my case it would be enough to choose from "jogging" and "biking".

Anotherone e.g. only wants to have displayed "wintersports".

So it would be great to have a section in the setup, where we could mark the kinds of sports, we want to have displayed. :)

Using checkboxes we would be able, to modify our selection, whenever we want.

Greetings Jörg
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks for the note Jörg and welcome to my own particular hell!

At one point I had all these buttons disabled... but then I tried to get the app listed on Samsungs free marketplace - and they came back with a lot of complaints like "no app must ever disable the start menu".

And then I tried the Microsoft free marketplace - and they came back with lots of complains like "no app must ever disable the close button"

I've still not managed to get it past either marketplace yet :/ But I'm getting closer...

For practical use, I'm thinking about maybe putting in an option to allow users to override the default settings - but I bet Samsung and Microsoft hate that too :/

Thanks again for the feedback - let me see what I can do....
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joerg.rahe:
Hello Stuart,

... do you know the programm "joggah" from subsembly?

They´re fighting with the same problem.

I´ve tested the version 1.0.0

There they got a small Icon to lock the screen and the keys:

- The whole device is locked (the screen and any Hardwarekeys)(...even "OK" and "Phone down" are locked).

- Except the small icon on the screen to => unlock

- and except the "power off" switch on top of my device to switch off/on the screen.

=> That´s pretty nice.

=> but devices without an "power off" switch can´t switch off the screen.

In the new version 1.0.4 they changed it a bit.

Tapping on the icon to lock the device, you got a new screen with the option only to lock the keys/screen or to lock keys/screen and switch off the screen additionally.

=> maybe interesting to have a look at it. :)

Greetings Jörg
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Thanks

I wasn't really unhappy with how the buttons used to work... but Samsung and Microsoft were (and funnily enough both of them have slightly different standards).

I think I might just go the route of releasing the app 3 different ways: 2 for Microsoft and Samsung fitting their button requirements, and 1 for people who really want to use it :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joerg.rahe:
hihi ... that sounds good.

I´ll take the third one to really use it. :D

Greetings Jörg
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] matthieu60:
Button "screen off" on HTC Diamond

Hello Stuart,

I tested the button "screen off" this afternoon running on my HTC Diamond, no problem detected. I have not lost GPS and the track in complete.

Thanks you for your job! This is a really great application

Matthieu
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hollywoof:
Hi Jörg

I'm a bit busy at the moment - and will be only-just-in-contact for the next few days, but I've just done an experimental build with an option to disable all hardware buttons - it seems to work on my Omnia and my Dell.

I'm not going to update the download link on navmi.com, nor am I going to update AppToDate yet, but you can try the build if you want to on http://www.navmi.com/release/1/0/navmi_1_0_8.cab - but I won't be around for a few days if it doesn't work. The new option is on "System" in "Settings" and only affects the main activity/GPS screens.

For the next few days, if anyone need to give me any feedback, then your best bet is via the forum on http://www.runsaturday.com

If anyone's also desparate to go landscape, then the latest releases (1.0.6 onwards) have all had landscape support for the main screens - but it's not 100% pretty!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] joerg.rahe:
feedback version 1.0.8

Hello Stuart,

... the option to "disable phone buttons" works very well on a TreoPro.

For sure you can´t get to the mediaplayer now. You have to select and start the music with the wanted volume before starting tracking GPS.

On the other hand you got a pretty good keyguard while tracking GPS-signal.

Now everybody can choose the way he like. That´s great. :)

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edit:

I did some more testing with the new version 1.0.8:

Even with activated option "disable phone buttons" you can redial the last number while press&hold the "phone-up-button" !!!

=> after doing this and end up your call immediately you can reach the today-screen with pressing the "phone-down-button"

(...so you can reach e.g. the mediaplayer) :D

=> on the other hand this means a permanent danger of unwanted/uncontrolled redialing while doing your sport-job :mad:

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Greetings Jörg