yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Nexus One General] down8:
Warranties are, legally, broken into separate parts.

The manufacturer has to prove that what you modified actually relates to the warranty issue.

If you have a hardware issue, HTC would have to PROVE that your software contributed to the damage to be able to void your warranty.

Magnusson-Moss Act, is the law you'd look-up, I believe.

-bZj
[Nexus One General] melterx12:
can you give a source to back this up? Im gonna unlock my bootloader right now if this is true!
[Nexus One General] joeavery2:
Heck ya... this is what everyones real concern is, IMO. (Well I guess I can't talk for everyone but..) I take responsibility if I unlock and then some how brick, yes I'll be upset but it is my fault. However my real concern is if I unlock and then there is a real hardware problem.
[Nexus One General] MontAlbert:
yeah- the way i read the post in cyanogens bacon thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5306428&postcount=54

"Obviously there's probably little to deter people from digging into this, but for whatever it's worth it was quite a lot of effort to get buy-in for shipping with the "unlock" feature, there remains concern about potential increases in RMAs as a result (and thus the warranty language in the unlock process)."

i read this as saying that they expect more warranty returns due to the easy unlock but not by much. Does this mean that we can return the phone if we have a hardware issue unrelated to the lock? i dont expect it and never have (rooted both my G1 and my magic the day i got them) but it'd be nice to know.....
[Nexus One General] Blueman101:
dunno, insurance companies have been able to "void your warranty" (coverage of your health) if something totally unrelated was not announced when you got your insurance.
[Nexus One General] down8:
I did: the Magnusson-Moss Act.

That is a disclosure issue - hiding something is different.

-bZj
[Nexus One General] ~~Tito~~:
That's interesting. Now we just need to read the N1's warranty, and see if there is any similar thing to that(because they can always have some clause that says the bootloader being unlocked voids all parts of the warranty).
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Wrong. Not to sound like an ass, but I'm a 3rd year law student and have studied contracts, their making, and causes for breach, extensively. The warranty is not "legally broken into separate parts". Please don't make such inane statements.

First, warranties are legally binding contracts and are considered "integrated agreements". That means that a court will automatically hold that the document and whatever provisions are included therein are the entire warranty, UNLESS you can prove that there were additional documents or forms that you relied on. That's not the case here.

Second, if you read the warranty, item 7 (on p. 3-4 of the booklet included in the N1 box) explicitly states that "THIS LIMITED WARRANTY SHALL NOT APPLY IF:"... then lists several conditions, ending with 7(h) "the bootloader is unlocked by the Customer (allowing third party OS installation) using the fastboot program." This is an express term in the warranty, so the warranty is void. At this point, the only way you'd be able to get out of it, is if you were to argue to the courts that you never read the warranty and if you had, you either wouldn't have unlocked it, or you wouldn't have kept the phone! This is what's called an "unconscionability" argument. Even in this case though, most courts will side with the company due to the long-established doctrine of caveat emptor (buyer beware), and the court would first ask if you know how to read, and if you say yes, then it would hold that it was your responsibility to read the warranty and you have no excuse. Maybe some court would hold to the contrary. But that's why HTC was smart enough to include an express waiver...

Third, before unlocking the bootloader, you explicitly had to accept that your warranty was void if you unlocked it! No court anywhere would ever let you out of this.

As for Magnusson-Moss (we studied this as well), it's not at all related to this conversation! I don't know where the **** you come up with this information. All it does is create a federal mandate for companies to conspicuously state whether any warranty is "full" or "limited". Most warranties, including HTC's, are limited warranties. M-M further states that if there are any ambiguous terms in a warranty, that they will be interpreted in favor of the customer. However, this doesn't apply to this case either, because it is completely unambiguous in two different places!

It's obvious you don't know what you're talking about.... you don't understand the law, and probably have never really tried (it's not rocket science, I can assure you). Your improper claims can seriously screw someone over if they lose their warranty based on your incorrect assumptions then end up needing it for a defective phone!
[Nexus One General] Ronaldo7:
Cheers for the info. However, couldnt it be constituted as an "unfair term". For example, if HTC said the warranty was void if you took the phone outside, this would be ridiculous. Since smartphones are being marketed more as mobile computers, surely it is "unfair" not to be able to modify the operating system, much as you can do with a pc, without warranty for the hardware being voided?
[Nexus One General] TunsterX2:
There's no point trying to skittle round the point. At the end of the day, if you interfere with the software they placed there which has been extensively tested; why would they support unlocked/modified software which they have no idea how it'll affect the device? That's quite simple to understand and I can see why Google have done this. It's to protect them.

Computer firmware/drivers is different. They test drivers and encourage you to upgrade them to keep the product working as best they can. When an end-user creates modified untested firmware/drivers, this is different.

I'm sure there's a comprehensive warranty on computer devices which stops you applying modified software not supported by them.
[Nexus One General] Ronaldo7:
I appreciate what you're saying, but as long as you can prove that any modification made cannot have caused a specific failure, then Id be interested to see how a blanket "warranty void" statement would hold up in court. For example, a button/ trackball wont fall off due to unauthorized software being on the device, whereas a chip failure could be attributed to modifying firmware etc.
[Nexus One General] BigDamHero:
I don't know much about American law (I am a Trainee Solicitor, but in the UK) but I can tell you that this isn't going to come close to the legal definition of "unfair".

Warranties (at least over here) are entirely at the option of the manufacturer. If they want to have it fall away when you unlock the boot loader then it'll fall away when you unlock the bootloader. I've drafted one recently that does pretty much just that. They aren't required to provide one at all and what they put in it is thier choice. You are afforded most of your rights through sale of goods legislation and they are against the seller for things like goods not being of a satisfactory quality.

It may be that in US some minimum warranty is imposed by statute? With some set of minimum conditions? You'll need someone else to confirm that. However even if that is the case I'd bet any money that those minimum conditions basically equate to "you have to be able to use it as a PDA/Phone". At the end of the day you don't NEED to be able to unlock the boot loader to do that.
[Nexus One General] Ronaldo7:
Yeah, the reason I didnt mention the sales of goods act is because I dont think this applies since the phone is being bought in the US. As you say, warranties in the UK are in addition to the sales of goods act. Are you saying that if the phone was purchased from , say, google.co.uk in the future, the sales of goods act could be invoked for any hardware failure (respecting the fact that the onus is on the retailer (ie. google) to prove that any software tampering of the device caused the defect within the first 6months of purchase)?
[Nexus One General] BigDamHero:
Yes I believe this is correct. If you got a phone from Google UK, rooted it and then it fell to pieces the next day you would be able to go back and return it because it was not of satisfactory quality. As you rightly say it would of course have to be something other than your actions that caused the failure - some kind of inherent defect. But as long as that is the case the manufacturer’s warranty is irrelevant. A lot of people don’t realise this and once they see a warranty they forget that, at least in the short term after purchase, they have a valid action against the person who sold them the goods.

Good right? Well here’s the other shoe – The problem with the Sale of Goods Act (and a lot of consumer legislation) is that its all so vague. “Satisfactory Quality”, “Reasonable Length of Time”. It leaves most people wondering what the heck that all means! You mention 6 months but this is just a rule of thumb. It doesn’t actually say that anywhere in the act.

So in contrast to a warranty, where you have a definitive answer going in on whether you have a claim or not, the Sale of Goods Act is a bit more uncertain. You have to make your claim a bit more. If your screen falls off around the 5 months mark its possible Google would try and resist the claim, saying too much time has passed. If something goes wrong with your phone that could or could not have been something to do with you rooting it (with no way of determining it either way) – again Google may resist your claim.

I am ... 99% certain that there is NO applicability of any of the above to something sold in the US and shipped to the UK. However I'll have to look into that for a definitive answer.
[Nexus One General] Tortri:
http://www.google.com/support/android/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=166519
[Nexus One General] QMAN101:
Seeing as the warranty is so specific as in using "the fastboot program" instead of "a fastboot program" does using "fastboot-windows or fastboot-mac" fall outside of that. Cases are routinely decided upon by mere technicalities as this. I deal with warranties all the time (as a manufacturer) and have had to eat replacement costs due to technicalities in the warranty verbiage.

Unfortunately, this does not carry over to the big disclaimer that you see when unlocking, but was wondering if this technicality had any merit.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
As another poster said, this wouldn't be "unfair". A court would only ever begin to consider a term unfair if the consumer had no choice whatsoever. However, here you had the choice of not unlocking the bootloader and keeping your warranty, or returning the phone and buying another product.

Another argument that I could make for the consumer is that by including the exploit, it was "reasonably foreseeable" to HTC that people would unlock the bootloader... but HTC the argument is very weak in favor of the consumers and HTC would likely counter that the exploit is meant only for developers, not for everyday consumers.

We have many similarities... American law is based on British common law, my friend. (As is the law in most other countries that were part of the empire. ;)) Under American law, brand new items are required to have some sort of warranty...either limited or full (as per the Magnusson-Moss Act). Used items are not required to have any warranty, unless they fall under particular categories, which I can't recall at the moment. Anyway, as in British law, we do have a minimum statutory warranty for new items... the "implied warranty of merchantability". All that requires is that the product would pass without any objections to others in the trade, as being fit for the purpose for which it was manufactured. So in this case, the item was fit for use as a phone. Same as British law. ;)

I can assure you that in 99% of the cases, the courts won't throw out a case for such a small detail... especially in a civil case. They would probably construe it as being a blanket statement... i.e. "fastboot program" is an umbrella term that covers fastboot-windows, fastboot-mac, etc.
[Nexus One General] down8:
I have also studied contract law in school, my friend. :) By "legally separated," I mean they cannot warranty only the entire unit, there are many parts of this phone: SDcard, screen, software, etc. If one is broken, and has no releation to the others, then it is "separate."

Sweetie, law student (you do sound a bit like an ass, btw), did you read the Magnuson-Moss Act before coming to your conclusion? Obviously you're going into defense, and not the enforcement side of the law.

Full text: http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/15C50.txt

To ask "where the ****" MM comes into play, is pretty silly, given it is about protecting consumers from deceptive warranty practices - it does more than just state full or limited warranties.

I wouldn't bring a copy of wikipedia to court, but it does break things down in an easier to understand language.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuson–Moss_Warranty_Act

Here is the section I referred to:

A more detailed section might read like this:

I'd say that their exclusion of a "3rd party OS" runs right into this section of MM. The meaning is that GM can't force you to only use Mobil1 in your vehicle. You can use any oil you choose, so long as you use the correct viscosity & change it regularly - in fact, unless GM could prove the oil was the reason for failure (that's up to labs/lawyers), you could use canola oil & retain your warranty.

Thus, if you have a hardware problem, Google/HTC have to prove that the software/unlocking/etc. caused the damage to void your warranty. The argument would likely hinge on what is "unreasonable use," and if unlocking/rooting a piece of hardware you spent $500-600 on was reasonable. As for the bootloader issue being unambiguous, the same section also voids your warranty for normal wear-and-tear. I'd be far more concerned about a hardware issue, b/c connecting any unapproved accessory also voids your warranty.

All this being said, I am not a lawyer (an neither is Mr. Law Student), so if you're skerred, don't do it.

-bZj
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Suba_TT:
Hello people, I have been testing roms like most peeps here and I have a bad distaste for that new T-mobile 6.5 (most likely cause of NRGZ28 and his roms). But when using these roms I see that many of you have come across the same issue I had up until tonight. I can send and receive texts just fine, but oh no when it come to a picture message oh well.... I found the setting in an unlikely place tried them and they worked, here is what I used, I hope they work for you as they did for me.

under connections

just change

Access point name : wap.voicestream.com

MMS Server Settings

Gateway: 216.155.165.50

Port: 8080

Server Addy: http://mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc

connect via: mms

Good luck hope this helps
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kable:
Glad it worked for you, There is also a cab file available that will do this for you in the forums..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] brock_samson:
can u direct me to this cab please?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] twopumpchump:
please search the forum before starting a new thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=576903
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tianzi:
Hi, I recently got a HD2 and I've realized that it can't display Asian (specifically Chinese) characters. Everything comes up as blocks....I'm just wondering if there's a way to get around this? Is there any way to make it so the HD2 is capable of showing the Chinese characters? Thanks in advance:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] gregwee:
As far as I know, you need to flash a ROM that handles double-byte characters. My Hong Kong HD2 has an English interface, but also can read/type chinese characters.

I found the official English Asian version of the ROM at HTCPedia here, which is probably what you need.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] c4Lvin:
search for a SUNGLOBE PATCH. then it will display it. even does japenese characters.

good luck!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Yunabeco:
Look for sunglobe.cab for a quick installation. This is only for viewing chinese characters; japanese characters will not be shown, and you cannot enter chinese characters without the proper input method.

And while unrelated to this matter, here is a manual fix for viewing japanese characters on WM 6.5 I had to make a few days ago:

1. Grab the files meiryo.ttc and meiryob.ttc from your PC's font folder (C:\Windows\Fonts), provided it has them (Vista or newer, I'm not sure about XP)

2. Copy them to your HTC HD2 (or if it doesn't work, copy them somewhere else on your PC then on your HD2)

3. Move them on your HD2 to the \Windows\Fonts folder

4. Use the following registry file (copy-paste in notepad, save as .reg on your device, execute):

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FontLink]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FontLink\SkipTable]
"Tahoma"="00a5,007e,0391-03c9,2026,2116,221a,25a0-25ff"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FontLink\SystemLink]
"Arial"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo"
"Times New Roman"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo"
"Courier New"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo"
"Segoe Condensed"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo"
"HelveticaNeue LT 35 Thin"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo;\\windows\\tahoma.ttf,Tahoma"
"Helvetica Neue OTS"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo;\\windows\\tahoma.ttf,Tahoma"
"Tahoma"="\\Windows\\fonts\\meiryo.ttc,Meiryo"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\FontPath]
"FontPath"="\\Windows\\Fonts"

5. Soft-reset your HTC HD2

Then japanese characters should show up everywhere and be linked correctly.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] c4Lvin:
inputting chinese is not what he asked. that is related to ezinput and another ballgame. rhats funny that the sunglobe patch i have CAN do both chinese and japanese. so dont have to confuse the person who requested for it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tianzi:
does anyone have the link to the sunglobe cab? i tried to find it but couldn't....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
Maybe you didn't try hard enough.... a simple search of "sunglobe cab" in Google turned up quite a few results.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] drewX2:
This link shows how to display Korean on the phone (I can confirm it works).

http://leeblood.com/2008/02/16/windows-mobile-6-changing-the-system-font-adding-korean-support/

I am pretty sure you can substitute the Korean font for Chinese.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tianzi:
thanks i found the sunglobe cab, just waiting to test it out now
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] singcheng:
could you share the link?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ctohang:
Pls find from the attachment!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] anson3959:
Just install the chinese font cab like 雅黑字体，you can use google ，lots of such cabs
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] danwalk201:
Find all the letter L's and replace with R's...job done.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Athar Mansoor:
Would this also work for Arabic as well..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mingkee:
http://www.studiokuma.com

I have MingLiU installed on HD2, it can display Trad/Simp Chinese and Japanese, but input cannot be used even it's installed.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bslim:
Chinese Input

There are plenty of free Chinese input for Leo. e.g. TouchPal V4.0 B2 from

http://soft.shouji.com.cn/detail/17595.html:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Zentury:
I read in the CooTek TouchPal forum about users complaint that the current version 4 has got a problem with Chinese input if the phone is running WM 6.5.

My suggestion is to read my post with regards to Traditional/Simplified Chinese input, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=647307

________________________________________________

Phone : HTC HD2 (T8585)

Manila : 2.5.19211619.0

ROM : 1.66.707.1 WWE

Radio : 2.06.51.07

* Today is yesterday's tomorrow. Today is also tomorrow's yesterday.

Then is the present the past's future or the present is the future's past. *
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hLove:
hong kong hd2 supports both english and chinese??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bouwew:
Go here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=536857

Am using it on HD, HD2, Diamond2, also provides Chinese input.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Shadowdh:
Thats not true... I have both on my phone and its fine... but I use the ricky Chinese cab thats floating around somewhere... the 21mb version gives me full Chinese reading, sogou gives me a great ime (and i also have plumsip and touchpal but got rid of the A4 as it didnt work so well for me) and with the ricky cab I also get China PRC in my regional settings... before I would only get this with CE Star which I havent put on my phone as the others all do a better more finger friendly job...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] elfii:
http://ricky119.com/chinesesupport/

from here, you can down a font, just install in then OK!!! it works perfect on my rom.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] skyhew:
Install the Asia ROM will do.

You may also install CE-StarR3a to get Chinese Support.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Poohball:
so is sunglobe.cab working? I installed that on tmos and it is not working....can't read any chinese at all.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] obalia73:
It is working!

It is working but have to do 1 or maybe 2 soft resets. I have used it for a long time with no problems but now changed for another one.

For input you have to get another cab. you can choose

from many different once!

Regards Obalia73
[HD2 General] CloneboyZA:
Hi there,

I've just come across a weird crash, and I'm not sure what's causing it. I When I turn on my phone, it starts loading up normally, then it stops, and a message comes up saying "tap here to start HTC Sense" It's now done it twice, and both times I had to do a hard reset to fix it. Any ideas what might be happening? I'm still new to the phone, so any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks,

David
[HD2 General] lorin.bute:
If it happened twice maybe you should see which apps do you install after a hard reset and see which one could cause this.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] rizalpoenya:
ada yang punya upgrade windows 6.5 buat O2 XDA Zinc

maap saya pemula yang baru memiliki windows mobile mohon bantuannya:(
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] gape ponsel:
coba aja masuk disini

http://www.mediafire.com/?jjhjwkhiqrn
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Giok:
bah...

bah, ternyata ada orang indonesia jg neh hehehe....

coy, q pengguna dopod u1000 aka htc advantage x7500. berniat mau jual nih. buka harga 4,7 juta. kondisi sangat bagus. kalo ada berniat pm saya yah. Lokasi barang di Medan
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] papindra:
sundul gan

up up up :D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] anukotor:
ijin sedot gan :D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] andriepi:
boss..minya bantuannya nih..! gua kasih uang rokok deh..! pake paypal yach..?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] andriepi:
boo..

gua bayar deh bantuannya..! pake paypal yach..!he..he..he..
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] dikluh:
O2 Zinc-cuma sampai bootloader

O2 Zinc saya lagi error karena salah pada proses upgrade.

Kondisinya sekarang cuma bisa sampai bootloader dan tidak bisa loading windows.

Apa ada tempat khusus/bengkel/toko yang secara khusus menangani perbaikan O2 Zinc tersebut di Jakarta dan sekitarnya?

Mohon panduan.

Terima kasih

GT
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] echayahn:
reflash aja via minisd yg udah diformat fat32 coba pake wm 5.0 dulu, setelah sukses baru up ke wm 6.0 ato wm.6.5..

good luck....:):):)