yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Fantastic news! Looking very much forward to trying it! :D

While I'm here, I wanted to ask a question of the experts here, partially related to the ROM and partially to WinMo 6.5.5 itself. I am trying to figure out when, under what circumstances, WinMo decides to close a backgrounded program without the user's consent or awareness. It does not seem directly related to how much RAM is currently used or available, because of the following tests I have done:

With Artemis ROM (v66/70) I can open 5 or 6 programs and leave them running in the background, as verified by system task manager or any third party similar app. This brings me down to about 100MB of free memory left. I can leave things like this for days and days and days, and whenever I check task manager, all of the opened apps are still there. None of them have been forcibly closed by WinMo. If I open some more program so that I have about 10-12 open in total, the free memory drops to about 80-90MB, and if I leave things like this, after a short while when I check back to task manager, a few of the open programs have been closed by the OS. Tempting to think it is memory-related... BUT...

I have done the same test on another ROM with more free memory to start with, and again I can leave 6 or so programs open indefinitely, and still have around 240MB of free RAM. If I open more programs so that I now have 10-12 open, I still have just over 200MB of free RAM available. But yet again, after a few minutes of leaving the device idle, a couple of the open programs have been closed by the OS. So regardless of whether I have 90MB or 200MB free, somewhere around having 10-12 programs open it seems like the system starts closing them.

I have heard of WinMo having a hard limit for the number of processes running, but this is supposed to be 32, and even when I check for number of total running processes (not just windowed applications), it's still nowhere as high as 32 processes.

So, can any of the experts here (Sternas, Kuzibri etc) tell me what causes WinMo to forcibly close a background program? If it is not memory-related and not hard-process-limit related, what is it related to? And is there any way to control this behaviour through a setting anywhere in the ROM or the registry etc? WinMo's multi-tasking ability is one of the things I truly like about it far more than Android, iphone etc... yet it seems that it runs into a certain limitation far earlier than you would think, with still a large amount of memory available. I understand closing programs if memory gets very low like under 50MB or so, but it happens just the same with over 200MB free, and this does not quite make sense to me.

Thanks!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Sir, here is your answer form MS

<<Windows Embedded Handheld can run up to 32 "concurrent processes" and each process runs in a 32 MB virtual address space.>>

for "concurrent processes" here

<<..that may be executed in parallel. Concurrent programs (processes or threads) can be executed on a single processor by interleaving the execution steps of each in a time-slicing way, or can be executed in parallel by assigning each computational process...>>
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

AFAIK, to cut a long story short: this is the way of WinMO\s behaviour to save battery life and it's not depending on how much open apps there are. For example: If I leave my HD2 overnight on with ActiveSync running in the background, my overnight battery consumption is around 20%, while after closing it it's about 5%, which is a huge difference. Therefore I think, but cannot prove it, that WinMo protects your battery against severe loss due to too many open apps at the same time. Personally, I always close apps running in the background when not using them to preserve battery life.

Hope this helps and best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Thanks, I have just checked that page but it only seems to mention the process limit that I already knew, specifically 32 unique processes each with a 32mb limit. However, that still leaves me wondering why background programs are being closed by WinMo when I have far fewer than 32 processes running, and plenty of memory still free. Did I miss something from that Microsoft page?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
++1

and some applications (in WHE) can have more than one processes or threads

ALL these are MS theory...

now go to your Artemis ROM phone and open tools/System Info application

and sum all threads in your phone...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Thanks, however... this does not in fact seem to be entirely true, because if I leave 5 or 6 programs open in the background overnight (or even over many nights) they are NOT in fact closed by WinMo to save battery life. They are left open for as many days or weeks as I care to leave them, and stay that way. It is only when I get to more than 10 open programs that the system seems to begin closing things. If it were merely battery life related and not based on number of open apps, why am I able to leave 6 programs (even large ones like CorePlayer, Opera Browser, Windows Media Player etc) without them ever being closed, even after many weeks of steady operation?

And if I have only 15 "concurrent processes" running and nowhere near 32, why does the system still impose a forced closing behaviour..?

I really would like to understand this, but so far from the tests I have done, neither battery life, nor number of open processes/apps, nor free memory seems to determine when WinMo decides to shut things down.

Is there any way to check and see exactly how many threads are open at any given time? Using third party apps like MMTaskManager it is possible to enable option "Show All Processes" rather than just actual windowed applications, and yet when I do this and count items on the list, it is never even over 20, let alone 32.

Is there any other similar utility that will show me precisely the number of threads currently in operation from all processes at any moment in time?

Oh, that's very helpful indeed and exactly what I was looking for, thanks! :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
It's application programmer trick/job.

CorePlayer, Opera Browser and Windows Media Player are

"user terminated applications"

declared by the programmer to WHE OS with

specific windows API function.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Ah I see, very interesting indeed. So in the thumbnail which you posted above, the number of total threads from all processes combined, is well over 32 and closer to one hundred or so. How is that possible with the 32 item limit? Are not all threads considered to be unique processes that count against the system limitation?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
My opinion

MS "forgot" to update the specifications from Windows CE 5.0 ...

the real number is 32,768 :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] didier57:
Hi,

Thank you for this rom, it's been that I had not flashed a rom windows 6.5, and this is the first that I have tested and I will definitely keep it because it is full of bugs and not ...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

first of all: welcome to this forum!!!

Glad you installed the best WinMo 6,5,5 ROM that exists. Therefore I think you mean "because it's without any bugs" instead of "because it is full of bugs".

best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] didier57:
@kuzibri,

Yes, I found this wonderful rom, but I can not write in English, I use google translate, and I think it does not translate correctly ..

Otherwise, when I use google maps, I can not put landscape format, however, I have checked this option in Artemis Center .. Am I missing something? In addition, now that the Market does not work, I can not go for a rotation program ..

Thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
will answer you tomorrow!!

best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] aldai2:
It works and it's in french !!

http://www.forum-generationmobiles....highlight=mapper+bouton+decrocher+pr+rotation

:laugh:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] serc:
in Artemis included

step1

result

i think thats it ...:cowboy: sorry my english is not good, therefore picture report ;)

edit: sorry i forget it, at end you must reboot your HD2
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tsakimak:
pim backup

hello,excellent rom as always but i cant use the pim backup,when igo to the second page to choose the arrow to go to next page isn,t lighting anymore and i am stuck there.any solutions on that?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Applications Conflict ?

the upcoming ver 71.0 has PIM 3.20
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] didier57:
Hi,

Thank you guys, it works now!

Very good rom!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Looking forward to your new version and what you achieved in it to make out HD'2 even better!!!!

very warm regards, your best friend Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
I'm looking forward to the new v71 release as well. Out of curiosity, has the minor bug related to the Sense Mail Tab not refreshing instantly been successfully solved? You'll remember I mentioned it in this thread a few months back, and it was verified by several other users. The tab refresh works correctly on the stock 3.14 rom as well as on some others like Energy, so I'm hoping it will be sorted out in the latest edition.

Thanks!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

saw that you got many answers to your question, so no need for me to answer also, unless the suggested solutions do not work. Let me know if that's the case or not??

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
========================

Artemis ver 71.0

at first page

have fun...

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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sebgti42:
Download v71Fr and flash tonight.

I will make feedback tomorow.

Thank you for your new ROM
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dantbt:
Thank you Sir Sternas !:good: one hour to flash and post feedback.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Thank you very much my dearest friend. DL now. Will flash it as soon as I can find the time for it, pretty busy lately.

many warm regards, your dearest friend Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] aldai2:
Thank you sir.

Artemis 71 fr seems to works fine !!! :good:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nettech:
Flashed to ROM Version: 71.0, No issues to report. ... must say it feels slick and quick.

Nice work SIR Sternas :good:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dantbt:
:)

All work ok, no problem to report ! Thank you Sir Sternas !:highfive:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Thanks Guys

have fun
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ScorpioPirate:
Thanks my friend ;)

As you promise every times, very fast and smooth :)

Just run and everything work proper, nothing to point out in this build to :fingers-crossed:

Nice day to you my friend :highfive:

ScorpioPirate :angel:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Fantastic ROM as always, thanks Sternas. However this bug mentioned above still persists in v71. Unfixable?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my dearest friend,

just found some time to flash the ROM (no time for tweaking, etc yet) and everything went fine as usual. Smooth, fast and as far I can judge now stable. I did one thing different than otherwise, I did not remove the program files folder from my SD card, only the Application Data folder. After installing the new ROM, I used AC to restore my programs tab and every app installed on the SD Card functions normally. Still have to install the apps that were stored on the device itself, but do not expect any probs with that. Thanks very much for another superb ROM. The HD2 is still a fabulous device.

many warm greetings, your dearest friend Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] serc:
Sir Sternas after install my apps , thank you very much ;)) 1+
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] selukwe:
QR Datacode SMS problem

I cannot send SMS of a scanned QR Datacode. I used the default Artemis Datacode Reader of Artemis 70 WWE. Sending went seemingly well, but just an empty "sent SMS" with the recipient´s number has been stored in sent SMSs folder and the recipient did not receive anything, despite many tries. How to make this feature working normally?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

try sending it with MMS instead of SMS. Let me know if this works!!

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nettech:
Facebook

Is the facebook app working on version v71, keep getting no internet connection on data and wifi.

Anyone else having this problem ..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

no problem here!! You only have to renew your inlogname and password.

very best regards. Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] selukwe:
This is not possible from Artemis Datacode Reader as its Favorites (as the folder to store the scanned input) does not have this option.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] adamwest:
I am also having this problem. I have logged in to facebook via the data service data sync in settings but still won't let me connect to facebook.

Actually come to think of it facebook hadn't let me update on version v70 for nearly a week now. Maybe somethings changed with facebook that renders it incompatible with this version of facebook app
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nettech:
Hi, Kuzibri .. Still cannot connect using facebook app ... tries to connect then "box with please check you're connected to the internet".

Comment above may have hit the nail on the head ..

Can any one else confirm this problem ..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Very, very strange. I filled in again my username and paswword and it works!

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] adamwest:
In that case I think it may be something to do with differing policies on facebook between countries (ie I assume you have a dutch facebook account)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Great ROM as always, thanks very much Sternas for your fantastic work on this. This one minor bug mentioned above does continue to persist though on v71, so I'm guessing it's just some incompatibility between the core WM kernel version and Sense, or something similar? I believe I've only ever seen it work correctly on the stock 3.14 rom and two other custom 6.5.3 versions (Energy & Kumar I think), but maybe those roms are all using older Sense/Manilla builds. Is there any way to tell exactly what's causing the issue?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

suddenly my FB also refused to connect, so I went back to V70 to see if this is an Artemis problem. Answer is NO. When I try to conect to FB in V70, where it always used to work, it tells me the same as it does to you. I removed my account and reinstalled it: no way that it works. Might it be that FB stopped supporting WinMo 6.5.5 or has it something to do with the new privacy policy??

The only way out for this moment is to use your browser to acces FB.

EDIT: after a long internet search, FB is only available anymore for iOS, Blackberry and Android. So no more support for WinMo. To be able to access FB on your HD2 with/without Artemis is to go on your mobile device in your browser to: http://m.facebook.com. It's not the same as the FB app, but I found out that it works rather good!!

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

IMO you can solve this problem as follows:

1. Go to the mail tab

2.Press more

3. Choose accountsettings

4. Choose the mail account you want to change

5. Tap several times next untill tou see the screen: Email automatically send/reveive and tick that item. Probably it will only work when connected through WiFi?

This should do the trick.

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
@nettech and @hreyas, thanks guys. Hope that more members can find their way with this FB solution. Tried again today to install the mobile FB app for WinMo via the desktop page of FB. Got an SMS with a link to install it, pressed it and the answer was, sory app not available and I was forwarded to the mobile website. So this is IMO the definitive proove that FB does not support WinMo anymore!!

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
V71

Hi my dear Artemis Family,

I am very glad to see that there are no big/real problems with Artmis V71, looking at the reactions after the release 1.5 pages back. No mentions of bugs, malfunctioning, bad downloads and/or bad flashes. Yet another masterpiece from our great friend, who everytime achieves it that the new release is better than the former one. Quite impressive IMHO. The main issue that comes forward is the FB one, but that's not an Artemis issue, see my post: #42646. for the solution to that problem.

very best regards, a happy Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] paleozord:
Hi Kuzibri,

I was just giving it 24 hours or so after my post, to see if perhaps multiple replies would come in from both yourself and Sternas, before replying again myself. Your help and advice is greatly appreciated as always.

In this specific case I suspect that you are in fact slightly misinterpreting the issue with the Sense Mail Tab. The issue is not related to the retrieval of email messages from the server, as this in fact works perfectly. Whether checking mail manually or on an automatic time schedule, messages are always retrieved successfully. Thus it is not related to incoming server settings or to automatic polling schedules.

Rather, the issue is that when already on the Sense Mail Tab, and already viewing one's email account of choice, and then selecting send/receive from the menu (this is still on the Sense Tab, not within the Outlook Inbox itself) and new messages are retrieved, the preview does not update itself immediately to show the newly fetched messages. If you previously had 4 messages, the current message will still say: "Gmail 1/4" instead of switching for example to: "Gmail 3/6" to indicate the new message total after the update. You will also not be able to swipe up or down to see the new messages right away, but instead will have to switch briefly to another email account on the Sense Tab and then back, or over to a different Tab altogether and then back to email, in order to have the new messages available in the preview, for viewing by swiping up or down.

This issue has been confirmed by several other users in this thread for at least the last few Artemis rom versions, and having only started with v65 myself I cannot be certain of how long it has been there. It has also been confirmed that the issue does not exist in either the stock 3.14 rom or the Energy series of roms.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

thanks very much for your reply. The only thing I can think of to avoid your problem, is to use another email adress/account than the gmail one. I have had the same problem untill I got rid of the gmail adress and used my usual adress.

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gbertsat:
I am sorry to announce that my beloved HD2 crashed on the floor by mistake and the screen smashed pretty bad. (Not affortable to fix it)

After spending almost three years with it, i wanted to thank Mr Sternas for the great Artemis Rom which he gave us.

Also a big thanks to kuzibri for his great help.

I hope the best to all of Artemis users.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

very sorry to read that your HD2 crashed. You can buy a used one on the internet, I did that also when my first HD2 died on me.

Thanks for the compliment!!

good luck and best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] sternas:
Thanks for your support Sir

have fun
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lehrerbuch:
Artemis V71

Hello Artemis Family,

I am very busy at the moment and I stay with V70 it works and it works and it works :laugh:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my very dear friend,

seems logical that you stay on V70, because it works, works and works. :) But upgrading to V71 saves your battery a little bit more than V70, certainly in combination with Advanced Config. Just for your info.Besides several little improvements!

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
V71

Hi my dear Artemis Family,

as I understood from our great friend, V71 has been downloaded 3500 times, an amazing amount in these days of iOS, Android, etc. Although V71 is again a piece of art by our great friend, I can hardly imagine that there are no questions about it. Nevertheless the last post was one week ago. Is V71 that good or is this site slowly bleeding to death (I know that a lot of users went to another OS's, but nevertheless 3500 DL's)?? Do not hope so, cause IMHO WinMo 6.5.5 with Artemis ROM is still the most versatile OS around and I tried many Android ROM's to be convinced of that.

I'm out of work/reacting now at this very moment :crying::crying:

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] numlock:
I'm Back

I have like a lot of us tried Andriod and the new Windows 8 but I have found the dumbing down and cloud sync not for me. This version of 6.5 on the HD2 is so smooth and the battery life of days not hours is a blast of freedom from the recharge cable!

thank you for the continued support.

very best regards, numlock
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my friend,

thanks a lot and you're very welcome.

best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bosone:
HI Kuzibri

You're right. I've also downloaded it two times (WWE + ITA), but did not have the time to install it yet :(

So I'm sorry for not having yet expressed my gratitude. Hope to get this done soon...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi my dear friend,

you do not have to feel sorry, I just wondered why there were so little questions about V71, despite 3500 DL's. That's all.

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] trump98:
3.2 has problems with restoring custom files: no custom file will be restored from backup beginning with a file with russian name. have no info on other locales...

wrote that to dotfred soon after 3.2 release, but got no answer.

btw, some time earlier, when 2.8 or 2.8.5 was the actual version, wrote him something about that version (not finger-friendly ui, i suppose) - the answer was that project is almost stopped...

(don't remember exactly why i'm not satisfied with 3.0 - is it because of the same problem or different one...)

i guess 2.8.5 should be returned to at least russian version...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] kuzibri:
Hi,

IMHO you can just use WMC or ActiveSync to synchronize your PIM data whenever your connect your device to your PC/Laptop, cause all of these data will then be send to your device. No real need thus for PIM backup IMO.

very best regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] serc:
i am trying ver.71 since first day,

now with in combination nativeSD and two android roms, all together working very very fine,

and the only thing what i can say is

thanks very much sir sternas, thanks XDA developers for so much teknik nowhow at one place !!:o