yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] MadBastard:
Turning manual flash on, in camera mode doesnt work.Tapping the clock on home screen do nonthing :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mskip:
Have you tried taking a pic after you turn the manual flash on to see if it flashes? Im sure that the manual flash on just makes it flash when you take a picture whatever the light condition, it doesnt just turn it on all the time.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dneto:
Is possible add dictionaries?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] donalgodon:
Does this selection remain on restart?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] VizagDude:
Dutty, AWESOME release as always. Great ROM and I am loving every bit of it. It's super fast and very smooth. I've just installed it, so nothing much to commet on except my initial experiences metioned above. But I am sure, if you released updated version on the same day, its obviously with all the fixes.

Thanks for the GREAT job as always and sharing your work with us. :cool:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ebliss:
in previous ROMs, when the flash is set to manual in camera mode, it will light up even before taking a picture. It will be even brighter when a picture is taken. This current ROM seems to have disabled this function. I noticed it in Miri's v4.0 as well. But in Miri's light ROM, the flash still lights up in manual mode.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Alexairway:
Hello

Same problem with incall keys..:(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dortok:
After installing the 16 quicklink tweak, there is a bug with the weather animation on home screen. For example, if the clouds are going across the screen and you switch tabs, and then back to home screen, the clouds are stuck on the screen.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] guptadh:
Bluetooth settin

Found a small bug - trying to access bluetooth settings from the comm manager, opens the wifi settings.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dortok:
not for me
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] ebliss:
that's v0.7. Now is v0.8.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] trakman:
I have a problem or it just might be me, but is there a way to bring the keypad back up when I am talking on the phone. I found that my buttons light up for a sec when pressed and nothing happens.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pablo11:
Same here. Not too much of a problem tho:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] trakman:
Its kind of a problem or me. I can't input numbers on keypay for calls and cant answer call waiting. Is there a way I can solve this?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] hpacura:
Update to version V.08 will solve the problem.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bpcue:
Flashing ROM

Hi All,

I can't seem to flash this ROM correctly. It flashes ok, however I can't use the phone afterwards. It keeps on getting stuck loading HTC Sense. This is across all new ROMs. I am on SPL 1.42. I have tried SSPL method and HSPL and still no luck. Do I have to be on a specific SPL to be able to successfully use the new ROMs. If yes, can anyone please advise as this is not specified in the flashing guide.

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] stefanhutu:
try to remove you microsd card and soft reset. you'll figure out what to do next...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pablo11:
Use MTTY. Works for me in these kind of prolems
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Speedmaster:
Yes, you've explained it better than me. None of the shortcuts work.

Kevin
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] EViS:
Thanks for the super quick release again Duttty!

However, every time I go to select the 'swype' keyboard, the default does not change. when I go back to the input method menu, the default Touch keyboard is selected again. Anyone have ideas?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] liehuo:
hi guys! anyone able to upload Duttys_2.5_5.23152.5.3.12_3.14_HD2_ML_Family_ROM_( V14)_ASIA_WWE on other sites like mediafire? I've been trying fileserve and rapidshare but still ended up no where. thanks in advance and great work dutty! your roms are really very stable.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] smarty123:
Voice Dial and Energy popup problem

V14 GER does include Cyberon Voice Dial, yes. I prefer it tho you must record samples to work. Speech recognition of MSVC is crappy in german language :D

The calender popup preventing Leo to fall asleep problem was solved by flashing V14GER for me. Dunno why it happened with V9. I installed same software after flash this time.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] youmeus:
MSVC Version?

Hi Dutty,

Mad love for your work dude. Any chance I can get a MSVC version of the new rom?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Bytemen:
Hi Dutty,

great ROM V14..

by this moment i found only this little errors by using my applications:

Don't run application mtoolbox (V.0.30) and application Lotto King (V.2.02) both over omarket...

By mtoolBox comes an error with the sensor and cant calibrate the app in screen.

By Lotto King there never found the server by net

in V12 there was no error by mtoolbox but also by lotto king
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] daigoro64:
Yes, it includes CVD.

HNY
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Bytemen:
http://www.mediafire.com/?975djkjiklxw37r
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Anárhér:
Where i can find a changelog with release dates of the duty roms versions? i need to know the current version of september month

help anyone?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Neo84:
I've been using my HD2 for a year now and I must say that it's been a mess at the beginning. Then I started to use Dutty's ROMs :).

V12 for me was the best rom I've used yet and V14 seems to be another step further to perfection. Thanks a lot.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] liehuo:
actually you can view the details on your device. just go to settings, system, device information, software information.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Anárhér:
but i not using duty's rom anymore, im trying to get my phone back to the conditions it had when i buy it, cause im getting serious problems of overheat and want to send back to the vendor, and it comes with a duty rom.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] MarkAtHome:
Yay! Thanks, Dutty.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vc.57:
Try with megaupload...

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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] plasljivko:
In my first post (ever) I would like to thank you.

Hi. First: big THANKS TO YOU. It's really THE best ROM (for me) that I ever used.

One (maybe stupid) question though:

I've been looking this thread:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=583638

Do I still have to use this tip:

Best wishes.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Guys just get in from work first day back and I had really busy day, I will upload some remaining ROMs soon.

thanks for all your feedbacks :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] asaime:
com2 version

when will you update the com2 version ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
the audio booster tweak is already cooked in my roms,
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
not at this time sorry, further down the month maybe
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] plasljivko:
Great! Thank you. ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] asaime:
com2 version

thank you for fast reply :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
no prob have a happy new year
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Duttys HD2 V14 |WWE_MSVC|DAN| versions Online, enjoy
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
COM3 SVE V14 Online
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Last ROMs for tonight is uploaded HD2 V14 |ELL| & |NOR| Have a good night
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] liw71:
WWW-ASIS v14

Hi Dutty,

will you cook CHS version soon?

Thank you
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
It was uploaded Yesterday ASIA-WWE
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] liw71:
thanks, didn't see it in the 1st page. I will run a search.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] noddy1875:
Far better ROM than the last 1 i was running. Great work :)

Juat 1 question, how do you set a song as your ringtone ? Alot of the options are not there off the start page
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] .razor:
'MobileUndergroundNoRSS_22e41977_manila.'cab

Hey guys,

I've been trying to use the 'MobileUndergroundNoRSS_22e41977_manila.' cab for a while but really have no idea how to use it. When I try and install the cab as usual it takes me to a zip file and a manilla file. I just have no idea what to do with this. Anyone help?

Cheers,

Razor
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vc.57:
V14 WWE:

V14 WWE MSVC:

V14 ASIA-WWE:

v14 FRA:

Rapidshare and Megaupload...page 1118...post 11172
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] .razor:
This is what I've been looking for for a LONG time! THANK YOU.

Razor
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] drac667:
You're welcome.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] yclam:
Try...

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TXOU3XVJ
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] .razor:
Hotmail

Anyone having issues setting up Hotmail/Windows Live in v14.

No matter what I do I can't seem to get it to work. Other emails work fine. No issues on v13a.

Razor

EDIT

I'm actually having a few issues with Email. Even my other email account (that I can get working) doesn't notify me when I get a new email.

Is anyone else having any issues at all with emails?

Cheers again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lim1279:
A Bug ?

When you slided to 'Setting' select 'Sound & Display'/'Notification sounds', First selection is display as 'eminders', in state of 'Reminders'.

WWE-ASIA version.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
In WWE its ok Did you change the manila language or mui to something else e.g 0804
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Byggeren:
I installed V12 COM3 Norwegian using SSPL, radio 2.15.50.14 a couple of days ago. I’ve been using Artemis since the first versions.

I’m using exchange server @ work, and has been having big stability problems using Artemis ever since V31. I am extremely pleased to report that your ROM is working without a hitch, lots of free memory as well! Battery seems to be as good as the latest stock ROM.

Now I’m ready to install V14, still using SSPL as this seems to work great!

- Removing “application data” and “program files” on SD card (phone connected to PC).

- rebooting and installing stock ROM from SPL (SD and SIM still in phone)

- booting to homescreen, and installing Dutty V14 with SSPL

- Hard Reset (Holding Volum up and down when flashing reaches 100%)

- Soft reset

- Enjoy

Please buy your self a couple of pints, or whatever you like, donation ID #11H89903T75351001 :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] liehuo:
thanks a lot to all of you! thanks added.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tkpamorn:
Thank You for Good Rom
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lim1279:
I changed the Regional Setting to Chinese (People's Republic of China) and it displays 'eminders', Now I change it to English (United States) and it display 'Reminders'.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
Thank you Dutty. All seems to be running fairly well. No big difference to V12 tho.

I have a Problem with my Boot Splash screen tho, which is not up to your ROM actually but maybe you would know some advice since u got some experience with flashing stuff. Read here (Post 93) if you don't mind helping me. Sorry for the Thread-Hijack.

Maybe anyone else can help out with this too? Thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] halloj:
SE V14

Loaded V14 SE (SVE) version and as usual fast and smooth. Just brilliant. Thanks and have a prosperous new year.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] @muja@:
V14-Danish not available??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] chapyy:
me too,same problem.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Its nothing I can do with this as I would have to make a full chs ROM to solve this
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
http://www.fileserve.com/file/SuQCecu
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] splinters69:
Can I just say thankyou Dutty. I charged my phone up Monday night and only turned off GPS and Bluetooth. Now, 48 hours later after light use; texting, collecting emails, few calls etc. I have 45% battery left.

Absolutely great. With the Nandroid best I got was around 1.5 days with everything off.

I highly recommend this ROM to anyone disappointed with their stock rom and not wanting to go to Android...:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Although the 3D driver seems to have made some difference in Sense it made the largest impact with the Xtrakt_x2 (

images

) and the Experiment13 games (

downloads

).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Bonito77:
Hope this will help you. http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=10356392&postcount=94

@Dutty, thanks very much for v14, will flash it tonight or tomorrow but a small question, have you anywhere written what the changes between v12 and v14? Sorry but didn't found it. Hope I'm not started blind in the new year.:cool:

Wish you all the best for 2011 and that all your wishes be fulfilled.;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Thanks bro and enjoy have a happy new year
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] bjgr:
Software buttons

Hi Dutty

Thank you for the new ROM Ver 14 NOR

I have noticed that in version 14 NOR some of the buttons have changed from text to icons. An example is when you are in settings-page it used to say "back" in the left software button, but now it is a arrow. In the E-Mail reader inbox the left software button used to be "Delete" and now it is a icon of a recycle bin. Will you keep it this way in the future releases?

Best regards

BjGr
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] poingdk:
Well yes it is! I have downloaded it with success
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] .razor:
Okay, after flashing 4 different versions of Dutty's Rom I finally found my issue, and as you may have guessed wasn't to do with the Rom.

It seems the my Data Connection - even though it was configured at the start - needed to be re-configured again after.

Anyway, just in case someone else ran into the same thing...

Razor
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] urketa:
MORE SCREENSHOTS PLEASE!!

IN THE IMAGES , THE MAIN MENU BAR, ISN'T THE SAME!

:P

THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] brainstorming:
Flash OK.

GPRS connection works well. Apps get data from Web, but ...

What the hell is going on with WIFI connection?

WIFI net seems to be OK, but any app connects ... Opera, Weather, ... :mad:

Happy New Year!!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RicksterX:
i-Nigma not running

V14 WWE MSVC working well with CHT 2.0 :)

Has anyone tried installing the i-Nigma barcode reader? The installation onto main device seemed to go fine but when I run the app it starts up and then immediately disappears with nothing showing in Task Manager :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Bonito77:
Thats great bro.+10

not many guys today have the courage like you have to say the reason of the issue comes from an own mistage. The mostly wrote the issue, find out why and didn't say why.

A big thanks for this, I don't have the issue but my respekt is with you.

Grtz B.;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] .razor:
Thanks man. Appreciate it. Think it something to do with Optus in Australia as didn't have the issue in the UK. Weird....

Razor
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pe4ceman:
Guys, I need your help on this, and any help would be greatly appreciated!

Since March 2010 I haven't done any ROM/Radio flashing and now I'm about to do some.

The idea behind Duttys ROM is what I'm searching for, stock rom with latest updates and additions.

What I have now:

OS Version: 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)

Manila version: 2.5.19211619.0

ROM version: 1.66.415.3 (76641) WWE

ROM date: 01/18/10

Radio version: 2.06.51.07

Protocol version: 15.30.50.07U

So, everything seems pretty outdated. Thus, I need a bit of your help guys in getting latest V14 in my HD2 (T8585).

1) I realized that the first thing I need to do is to install HSPL.

And my guess it's better to go HSPL2 2.08 way, not HSPL1 or HSPL3, am I correct?

2) After installation is done (HSPL2 2.08), I need to flash my radio from 2.06.51.07 to 2.15.50.04 via CustomRUU

3) Do I need to hard reset after I've done those two steps?

Now, we use CustomRUU for flashing current ROM with latest one, right?

4) Another hard reset and I guess that's it?

Please correct me if I'm wrong, any additional comments or details about installation procedure will be very appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Last, but not least - thanks Dutty for all your work done for community!

P.S. Can someone comment on this please?

> CE OS & BUILD COM3: 5.2.23152.5.3.12 [V14]

> CE OS & BUILD COM2: 5.2.21916.5.0.95 [V11]

Not all ROMs could be installed based on COM3/COM2?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Hi bro you have repeat the right steps ,

Hspl first

Install correct radio as you said

Flash my rom

Hard reset

Your good tO go

Regarding com branch com2/3

Since your comIng from com2 you could try the 21916 rom first or the com3 which is more finger friendly etc
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pe4ceman:
Thanks for such fast reply man!

I really want to go for latest pack, will I be able to install COM3 with no problems?

So, it looks like this by now:

HSPL2 2.08 > 2.15.50.04 > CE OS & BUILD COM3: 5.2.23152.5.3.12 [V14]

By the way Dutty, you've recommended to use Task 29, do I need to use too in regards for what I have/wrote?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
You can task 29 before flash but dont have to since you hardly done or if any done any flashing before:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pe4ceman:
Thanks man, hopefully everything will work out nicely =)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Matthes42:
German MSVC version?

Hi Dutty,

thanks for another great release. Will a German MSVC version of v14 be released in the near future?

I currently love your German MSVC release v12 and would like to upgrade to v14

thanks in advance

Matthes
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] leopold30:
Problem with opera 10

Hello, since this morning i`ve encounter with a problem related to opera 10. After installation a newer version of opera10 , screen on my telephone starts to flicker with green light. I`ve removed new version of opera 10 and the problem is gone! ( for good I hope! )

Is there anybody with similar problem?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jassmun:
Could anyone share mirror link for ASIA_WWE please?

I can't download from Fileserve T.T
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] philippebla:
very very good job ,,, i like it

thank's !!:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vc.57:
See page 1118...post 11172...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I will upload soon today / tomorrow
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] light_n_roses:
Hi dutty !

I have seen this method http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6648878&postcount=7 to have navipanel working not with copilot do you think that this cab works also if we actually don't have the copilot.exe on the program files folder on the device ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tech0815:
Donation

Just sent you a donation for your excellent and permanent work! #9J3960613E487122E
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RicksterX:
Could someone do me a favour and tell me if they can successfully install the i-nigma barcode reader on V14 from here... http://www.i-nigma.com/Downloadi-nigmaReader.html

If not, is there a recommended alternative?

Also, I now have a tiny icon sitting behind the time on the status bar at the top of the screen which expands all the items on the status bar. Is this part of V14 or can it be removed?

Thx.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tech0815:
i-nigma works!

This is not part of Dutty ROM.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RicksterX:
Thanks, friend!

Let's start removing apps... :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tech0815:
Mhm, not sure if i understood you correct. There is no special icon, but if you tap somewhere on the status bar, expanding all items/notifications etc. is normal!?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Thank you and have a happy new year
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pe4ceman:
Thanks Dutty, everything went very smooth!

By the way, I have a quick question here. What are these cabs for?

Duttys Manila Default Left Soft Key.cab

Duttys Activate Manila Shortcuts.cab

Also, can I return to default COM2 view in V14? Don't really like what they've done in COM3
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RicksterX:
i-nigma barcode reader not running on 'stock' V14

Ok, I removed all Cabs with a Hard Reset and installed i-Nigma from their website on V14wweMSVC and tried to run it before installing any other cabs (except Co-pilot).

Still the same problem, it seems to crash when it starts up the camera. The camera is working fine on it's own. Any ideas Dutty?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] dryden:
I am also struggling to run I-Nigma. I saw these posts and thought "that sounds good", so I downloaded it and when I run it, I get a start up screen, a black box appears that covers the middle 1/3 of the screen and then it just goes off!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] tech0815:
As i said before, i-nigma works for me. But maybe my version is older than the current from the website? My version is 3.03.01

It was already installed on my storage card under Dutty CDLC V9 rom which i used until i changed to Dutty´s Family rom V14 this week. So i only made a new shortcut to start menu this time.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] spoorman:
hello,

until yesterday I had no problem with my hd2 but I have installed HTC ROM (for repair) and today I reinstalled V14.

na installation if I want to give soft reset. but after turning off my phone than i have white screen ( HTC) hanging I have to give it hard reset

I didnot have this problem

Do you know what is it?

thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] daigoro64:
Please check if HTC ROM has installed a non-compatible Radio. If this is the case you simply need to flash a compatible Radio before flashing Dutty's ROM.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
I have noticed the same. I also noticed, that sometimes one needs to re-do the config inbetween. i could not find out yet whether or not that is random or due to some actions i took. I presume its due to some installation but i cannot guess what.

@Duttythroy

Report: Today i had to reinstall v14, did Task29 before. Then went for a ride with my Car. Tried to pair my incar phone via BT RSAP (or SAP or rSAP) protocoll. It worked flawless in previous versions but not this time. The car would not see a "compatible phone". Visibility checked of course :D and also the RSAP Protocoll has been enabled before.

Did u do anything to the bluetooth related softwares? Again i presume its mostly due to some software stuff i did. I wasn't paying much attention with tondays setup. Just reporting. Just in Case.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] RicksterX:
i-nigma barcode reader Solved

Same problem - that black box is where the camera view appears...

I'm not sure what the current version from the website is but I download 3.03.01 from http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-i-nigma-barcode-reader-v1-4.html and INSTALLED ON THE STORAGE CARD this time and... bingo, it works!! So I'm not sure if it's the location or the version but I'm not complaining

Thanks your invaluable comment, Tech0815 :o

Update: It must be a different version. Installing the latest version from the i-nigma website onto the storage card doesn't work either
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jonnyjett:
I've looked everywhere and I can't seem to find MSVC. Would anyone mind reminding me where I can find it? I've got WWE the last version (before v14).