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[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
Hi Guys

I'm currently a very heavy business user of my WinMob Acer M900 and whilst this phone is almost perfect, it has one issue - it runs out of RAM all the time (why Acer?! WHY!?)

Anyway, so i'm going to have to replace this phone as it costs me more of my time managing it and rebuilding it to clean it up that its probably more cost effective to spend a few hundred quid replacing it.

So, as part of this, I thought "why not Android?". A few question need to be answered before I can do this though so I thought I would come to the experts (yes, thats YOU ):

1. Does it have full sync with Outlook (to include mail, contacts, tasks and calendars)

2. Can it process (and send) ICAL?

3. Are there Word and Excel EDITORS available? (Powerpoint is optional)

4. Can 2.0 show the proper Flash stuff yet? (more explained later)

5. Does the web browsing experience honestly compete with Opera 10b on WinMob?

6. Can I Internet Share/Teather?

7. Does it suffer from memory issues like a lot of WinMob devices do?

8. Can I use the phone as a memory stick like I can with WinMob devices?

9. Is there a Live Mesh client for Android?

10. Can they be flashed with diferent ROMS like Winmob devices?

With regards to Flash (mentioned above). My Winmob device - at least if it had enough ram! - can access my mates full flash website and show it (www.thehoggz.co.uk). I have previously performed some testing on an older G1 (?) with someone to find that Winmob (with full Flash 7) was by far the best at this, with Nokia next and finaly the G1. Now I understand that Flash clients are being re-written but they are not here yet. Does anyone have any experience of Android 2.0 and Flash, has it improved?

Appreciate that this is a long list but i'm so fed up with buying devices only to be let down continualy on what they claim to be able to do and can't. Please be honest, I'm really trying to get the right solution this time

I look forward to any helpfull answers!!! THANKYOU!

(just seen Orb's link to JKONTHERUN and so I will also now start reading this)
[General Questions and Answers] wywywywy:
The answers to all your questions as far as I know are "yes" with the exception of 8 and 9 because I don't know. But I think you'll be better off getting an HD2 as using Android you will be relying on 3rd party software for your work a lot.
[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
very promising, thanks!!!

8 and 9 could be serious issues for me, will have to think. Been looking around and the new Toshiba looks good.

Can't use HD2 as I need a hardware keyboard.

edit: You said yes to all but 8 and 9, so Android devices suffer memory issues like Winmob then?
[General Questions and Answers] wywywywy:
First of all DO NOT buy a Toshiba, as every one of their devices in the past suffers a number of serious bugs. Plus you don't get XDA support at all.

Android does suffer from memory issues, if you run a lot of apps. But of course you can end unused apps from running in the backgroud anyway. And if memory availability is crucial to you, find a ROM without HTC's Sense UI.

And don't forget most modern (late-2009) phones have more memory than phones of 2008.
[General Questions and Answers] wywywywy:
Actually I was being stupid - the answer to 8 is YES. The memory card can be mounted as a storage device.
[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
Actually my Tosh G900 was excellent device.

Not bothered about HTC support specificaly, I have had nothing bad serious trouble with there devices - all three i've owned.

So, I can't plug the phone in to a laptop via a PC and tell the phone to act as a memory stick?
[General Questions and Answers] lbcoder:
Of course you can. Uses standard USB mass storage protocol. Note: I assume that you mean NVM rather than RAM when you say "memory". No device should ever use NVM as RAM.

As for this so-called memory "problem"... it is in fact, quite minor. Don't worry about what wywywywy says.

Android has a very cool feature for dealing with limited memory-- automatic kick-out of non-foreground applications.

There is NO NEED to kill programs that you aren't using.

If you need the extra memory, android will do that FOR you by killing off programs based on a set of priorities (some programs *need* to keep running, some programs are desirable to keep running, but of varying importance).

In other words, more memory is always better, but it handles it VERY smartly -- so you don't need to worry about it.
[General Questions and Answers] BenF1:
Just for reference with your M900, have you tried Daskalos' lite rom?

He's manages to squeeze 69mb out of the RAM.

Ben.
[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
Yes mate, running the 69meg lite now but by the time you have installed spb shell (Be honest, the old today screen is sh*&) and a few other basic apps.... i'm down to 33meg free - fire up Opera and open the BBC home page and i'm out of ram.

How Acer could design such an awesome device and cripple it over such a cheap component is beyond my understanding.:mad:
[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
Sounds excellent. So, is 128meg plenty? Am I able to open webpages without issues (unlike WinMob, Opera 10b)? I'm sure the answer to the next question is "of course" but, is a device with 256 much more beneficial? Should I make this a priority?
[General Questions and Answers] martint235:
Only Windows Mob devices can connect to Live Mesh as it's a Microsoft site. I'm sure there are similar "cloud" environments that Android can connect to though just can't think of any as I never found Live Mesh to be that useful.

M
[G1 General] animefans:
I can't find answer to my question: is it possible to run crontab to reboot Android using busybox (or other means)

Tried to run crontab, and it complain about unknown uid 0

Tried to run reboot, and it does nothing

Or I am asking for the impossible right now?

Thanks!
[G1 General] imonarock:
I am looking to do the same type of thing. Anyone?
[G1 General] xdauser2000:
I got crontab working using this:

http://android.modaco.com/content-page/299984/linux-tools-coming-to-mcr/page/40/
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
UPDATE - 20.10.2010

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Due to overwhelming interest in the source-code I've decided to attach it here in the frist post.

Maybe some of you can collaborate, or do your own twist on it.

Some specs:

ASP.NET MVC2 (.NET 4 & C#)

Entity Framework as ORM

SQL Server 2008 (Express used for development)

Scripts for creating database and inserting some dummy-data is included.

Don't expect clean and tidy code. :p Some places it's a real mess...

Enjoy!

UPDATE - 12.10.2010

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The reason for updating this first post is unfortunately not the reasons I hoped it would.

I'm sorry to say I no longer have the time or energy to uphold the devotion and work required to finish the marketplace site. Being in a full time job, having a life and everything that includes simply does not allow for a project of this scale to be developed in a timely fashion. It's with regret I'm prematurely ending the project, and I'm sorry for disappointing you by doing so.

In addition to the lack of time, it's also a lack of motivation - reason being the introduction of WP7, already existing similar solutions for Android and Apple has it's closed-up AppStore.. I'm just not sure I see the potential I once did.

If anyone would like to have a look at the projectcode, I will more than happily zip it down along with the database script. Please PM me if you're interested.

Once again, I'm really sorry.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Exlo:
[ANNOUNCED] XDA-Marketplace

Hi all!

I have mentioned this in another thread, but wanted to hilight this request.

I`m woundering if there is a chance that some one could make a "XDA Markedplace" for the phone?

So all Themes, tweakes, programs and other could be collected in one place:)

Would also like to see something similar on this site. All in one place!

Or an external site with categories. Graphics, info and download on the program, tweak, theme etc, and discussion her on the board.

I dont know if some of this things are doable, but i would really like so se somehing similar:)

-Exlo
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] the_b00gyman:
a marketplace would be nice, because you could highlight programs as functionalable or not to secific devices or OS!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] _Edd_:
Some time ago I thought of creating a new marketplace for WM but I'm not so sure if we really need it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ragdoll20:
Wow that would be awesome! It'd be like cydia.. only for WM!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Electzik:
Great idea, moreover, nothing to pay to Microsoft for a app on this kind of marketplace, so we can imagine to put others free apps (which are not on the microsoft marketplace)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] _Edd_:
Ok, so lets say someone will create a new wm appstore/marketplace, which features do you want it to have? So far:

1. Many apps (unlike MS marketplace), including from xda developers.

2. Requirements by OS/tested with devices.

3. Accessible from browser and/or WM app.

What else?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Stoferr:
World wide acces to all apps. No more regions!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jallajalla:
4. Screenshots of application

I think this is a great idea. The xda forum is hard to navigate since there's no categories. The forum should only be used as support and beta.

Martin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Exlo:
the main idea was to gather all apps, tweaks etc. in one place since its very hard to navigate in the forum without categories.

Would also like to se a section her in the forum(or external) with categories and graphics.

I have tried to write this many many times, why and how this could be done, but my english is so poor, that i almost couldnt read it my self:p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stefanclark:
doesn't sound hard to achieve, there are so many windows mobile app sites but none it seems really stand out.

If we can create a website which can be accessed via pc, mobile friendly website and also a wm app then we have a winning combination. All we need to start is some web hosting - and that's not exactly expensive. Surely we have enough people on the forum who have the right skills to make and design the various bits.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
+1. Great idea.

MarketPlace and its stupid region restriction is so frustrating.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I'm on it :)

Anyone feel like whipping up some design sketches?

What I have planned so far:

- No login required unless you want to upload your own apps or leave comments/ratings on apps

- Only freeware/donation-apps will be allowed in the beginning

- No limitiations regarding phonemodel or os

- Of course no regions ;)

- Anyone can upload their own apps, update with new versions.

- Commenting and rating funcionality

- Screenshots

At the moment I've set up the database structure, and most of the "business-logic" layer of the application, but no web-interface has been done yet.

I've written the service-layer with an open API in mind - That way we might encourage the more savvy WinMo-developers to create an app for the phone, since I'm no good at that.. I'll make a simple mobile-friendly verison of the web, and I'm also implementing automatic QR code-generation and support for Microsoft Tags for easy scanning and downloading to your mobilephone.

When I get closer to finish, I'll probably open a new thread announcing it, but for now, let's keep the discussion going here. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jibreil:
+10 Spot on...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] derScheich:
I was kind of bored.. is this what it could look like (yes, I like green xD)?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jibreil:
I think it looks lovely, could have a block above the categories showing "What's new" "Most Popular" Etc.

+ The App should have a feature to check compatibility of App with device + OS + Custom OS. - This is a must included feature.

+ Ability to add extra sources
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Metroid Prime:
Excelent idea guys, the cydia compentence is completly necesary for a new interest, and possibilities for HD2 and powerful hardware and screen multytouch

good idea, keep it up!

greetings from spain!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] waterskier33:
Big fan of this project. I would call it the best possible marketplace because of all the support you can get on this forum and although the quality of apps in this forum, but till now it has been quite uncomfortable to follow all these great projects. This could be awesome.:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bramgg:
This is one BRILLIANT idea. +5 for this project. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] redmanmark86:
i got to say i think this is the best thing i have ever seen and not only that it will force microsft marketplace to lower its prices, improve and be mroe free like andriod/apple app stores....

can i just ask one thing, could you have phone specific as well for applications like BSB Tweak and all those Touch X cabs and so on, and i was thinking it would also be great if the martketplace had a customizable skin, think of the fun people could have creating their own looks :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Clound:
I vote for xda marketplace! Both hand both leg

I also look forward to xda Marketplace

a mobile version is a nice addition.

A market place can be look like

Main

=Categorie(s)

==App Name

===Requirement

===Rating

===Description

===Comments

===And most importain, the cab.

====Optional

====Developers Info

====List of apps made by current developers

====Related Apps list.

=Search

==Search Result

=Developers List

==Developer's apps

=Apps by device (filter)

=Apps by OS (filter)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] vainqueur:
make ALL the apps .cab only and I am sure you will have hundreds of thanks per day.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] BASSMANBOB:
This has been needed for years....it will take a while to log all the apps but I will offer my help in any way! Also it would be good for the apps to have a rating system like others have mentioned, as well as a sytem of tags that would list apps by their intended screen resolution and processor speed would make sense as well!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] the.bombtrack:
repository based service

i guess a repository based service would be the best choice... just like cydia for mac os mobile...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] wallst:
Great idea guys. I don't post much, but I do try to visit xda regularly.

My one suggestion to provide the option for the developers to add a link to the xda thread where their app was originally posted and discussed. Maybe allow links to other forums too. This could be the tie into xda developers if nothing official happens later on.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] donnaw:
I think this is a great idea. And I also suggest that the option to post a link to the forum where the dev provides answers and support be included.

I have been designing apps for 26 years and I remember a boss of mine once had a problem with all the requirements gathering we did. He told us it didn't need to be a Porche - it just needed to run and we replied that it shouldn't be a Pinto either. It is very easy to over design an app BUT it is also necessary to think about future designs or as Chainfire says - it will come back to bite you if you missed something important (been there- done that).

My suggestion is to keep this very simple. A place for people to find the apps they need and the capability to download. Don't get too involved with too many filters etc. You do need some sort of rating system such as Works, Works with bugs, etc. I think you have this part down already.

I'm not a programmer but I can test all you want. I recently retired so I have time on my hands. Also I would be glad to help with any documentation if needed.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sunnymiu:
adding more on #2

Apps should include device requirement to convenient all inexperienced users, like directing WVGA version for Touch HD & D2, VGA for tPro or D1, automatically. Instead of listing hundreds of version that ruined the unity.

Futhermore, unlike MS Marketplace, we can dedicate special app for specified phone model/ROM, for example, Blackstone tweak for Blackstone and Sense theme for Sense devices. (and other device cannot see it)

Plus, restrictions of apps should far lower, like allowing Sense enhancing, ported apps from different models, registery modification can also be considered.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sunnymiu:
Also we can take firefox extensions as an good example, features like:

- apps of the day

- apps rating

- options for choosing beta version or not

and,

- network UI (means login using XDA account and choosing apps to download, and apps will be downloaded when logged in on phone, so everytime when phone is flashed we can rapidly reinstall those apps.)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] smuppy:
I tipped them, thought it might help us out a bit more, draw attention and such.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Great initiative! :)

Tack! ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stefanclark:
To specify this a bit better, following on from my previous post.

Apps should be marked as "for specific phones" - if searching by device you are shown a list of apps which are

1. marked as working for your device, and

2. those apps which match the app's requirements - but not marked as "for specific phones".

If you had the site set so that apps could only be for 1 device, an app which is only for "HTC Touch Diamond" would not be able to be shown for a "T-Mobile MDA Compact IV", although these two devices are technically the same, to the general consumer they are different phones.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Yes, this is how it works right now. If the author of the app has set HTC HD2 as the phone for the project (because that's what he used for devloping it), the app will be marked as "Compatible" with all other phones running Windows Mobile 6.5 regardless of manufacturer or phone-model. The author is free to further specify requirements, but as long as the requirements meets your phonespecs it will be listed.

If you filter the list to view apps for HD2, the app will not be marked with "Compatible", but simply be listed.

The "Compatible"-label will have a little '?' next to it explaining that although the app hasn't been tested with the selected phone, the phone meets the specified requirements, so it should be compatible.

I'm gonna make a current feature-list and publish it somewhere, because this thread is starting suffer from the "too-long-to-read-everything-before-posting" ;)

so many of the suggestions are being posted twice :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stefanclark:
I think youve slightly misunderstood my comment (but may have already considered this situation).

something such as a tweak app for hd2 should not show at all, not even with a ?, when searching under another phone which is also wm6.5 wvga bt etc etc. by setting a flag on the app it should only show if searching with a confirmed compatible phone.

if i visit the site as a guest i dont want to see any specific phone apps unless i have said i want apps for that phone. otherwise guests may have the top 10 or similar cluttered with irrelevant apps
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Ah, yes. Of course. This will of course be possible :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Domain is up

http://www.xda-downloads.com/

is up and running. Nothing there yet but a logo, but at least I've got the hosting set up, so we'll just see how performance is when the site opens for testing... :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Metroid Prime:
Big thanks!

but the xda marketplace is the perfect name, for my opinion
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
But it's not a marketplace.... A Marketplace is a place where stuff is bought and sold. This will be a place where people can download stuff for free. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Hojlind:
that is jsut beautiful :) +1
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tmaniac:
Free....now aint that a magic word!

love the design of the logo allready :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Yeah, only donation-ware and freeware will be allowed here. As was pointed out earlier in this thread (i think by Chainfire), allowing payed apps will bloat the site with companies pushing all their apps out to the site, making the free goodies invisible :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tmaniac:
well...we could add a section "Commercial Applications"

That way you keep the download-spot open to every and all developer.

Only thing to do then is set up a paypal connection or something.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Sure, that wouldn't be a problem, but the first priority is to fill this site up with all kinds of free goodies. Then - Maybe(!) - we can open it up for commercial apps :)

There are already sites out there that offer both, but you end up getting 1 in 20 that is actually free and any good...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] futureshock:
hi there...

i found a app today... just take a look..

didn't tried it for my own... but i still want this to do in a few days....

workin on a very good custom rom and this will be one part of my inovations :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=480476
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Yup, I've seen this app before, but never tried it. They only have the mobile-app. Maybe the developer will be willing to work together with xda-downloads once it's up and running... I've already implemented new-version updates, so it would be easy for him to grab info from xda-downloads.com.

I'm opening up the api anyway, so anyone can communicate with xda-downloads.com...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jiangruibing:
This site is gonna be really nice!

Maybe you could integrate an "wishlist" function, users can wish for applications for their specific phone, that they cant find on the page. All they have to do is to write a description of what they would want the app to do. That way developers can search for inspiration by searching for wishes made for the phone or phones they use to develop apps.

Maybe not something you need to put in directly but could be useful in the future
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
Yeah Im loving the design, I think this is going to go well :)

(dont forget my offer, I will be up for alpha testin ;))
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NSider:
A basic idea that demanded a huge undertaking was turned into a beautiful concept and a working prototype in just a few days.

I'm so proud of this great community, and so grateful to yngvebn for working on making this idea a reality with the help, insight and feedback from the other members. Also, being so open to share the code and opening the API is fantastic. Thank you, and we'll support you as much as we can!

I hope to see this online in all its glory soon.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mindbender80:
The new logo is much better than the last i saw! Can't wait till it's up and running! U guys at XDA rock! Keep up the good work :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gridfire:
so it's a free marketplace..

what about XDA Freemarket / XDA-Freemarket?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] miniskull:
good night, sorry if my English is bad but I'm French and I translated with Google, I found the idea of Market XDA super nice, I am convinced of the success of this project, when will we have an alpha or beta? ? thank you
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cedriclv:
So I woke up this morning and in all its wonderful glory I found out that my HD2 UK version had arrived at my local store (Darn those dutch versions).

So I rushed to get it only to be greeted by an all too shabby marketplace. So here I am roaming the net when I remembered about this site and so here I am posting in a thread which could potentially be the best initiative this community will provide for the HD/D2 phones. :P

Continue the great work guys!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tenzin:
What a great idea !!! an xda-market :) Brilliant ....

Can't wait .