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[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
2.1 is not "Flan" - it is Eclair with additional bug fixes.

In addition, "Flan" is not "Flan" either, because it's "Froyo"! :)

Regardless, the GSM Hero will get the same level of build as the Sprint Hero - I'm certain of that.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] htc fan89:
it be awesome with sense over 2.1, i hope telus updates quickly also
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
And the unbranded GSM Hero will get it definetly earlier than any other hero...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
2.1 source is out, hero rom should follow soon...

edit: just a bad rumour..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nukleuzN:
Got a response from HTC:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
hmm the rumour was good after all...

http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-hero-hero-modaco-com/300028/aosp-eclair-2-1-r1-for-gsm-hero/#
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mantracom:
HTC- we've been "patient" since it was first announced by HTC on Twitter in OCTOBER 2009!

PULL YOUR FINGER OUT AND GET ON WITH IT HTC!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] DaanJordaan:
I AGREE TIME FOR SOME ACTION!

The excuse of not having set a release time is a little old right now. you announced it so get on with it:p

Still I LOOOOOVE my hero!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Plattendoktor:
Post from HTC Twitter:

So let's wait till september because when they say between januar and july they certainly mean next jear, i fear.

:mad:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
ffs stop complaining, if you really can't wait, just download the AOSP 2.1 rom thats out, its stable and fast. htc sense will most likely just bog the system down, so this is probably as good as its going to get for now (until android 3 ;) )
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
HTC has always had the talent to release wm updates when i didn't care about them anymore. I was hoping that this would change with Android, but seems like this isnt the case.

yes i know that HTC Sense needs to be ported to 2.1, but hell 2.1 is not a COMPLETELY new OS, and HTC Sense doesn't have to be designed FROM SCRATCH. Yes the have to reprogramm a lot, but the concept of HTC Sense already stands, so don't tell me that we are talking about a 1 year project here.

To be honest i already feel the interest about the 2.1 update fading, and maybe i HAVE to live without HTC Sense to get fast updates, even though i would prefer HTC Sense to stock android anytime.

I wanted to get the HTC Bravo some time at the end of this year, but i guess it will be a HTC Nexus One...as long as both are HTC devices HTC won't care ;)

But HTC can't win the smartphone race like this, having an own UI is great, but delaying updates for more than 6 months is not acceptable (i'm talking about the 1.6 update, then the 2.0 update, and now we are waiting for 2.1) when there are REAL setbacks like not being able to see a lot of apps in the market that need 1.6 or above to run. Although it seems like other manufacturers are not much better (even worse) than HTC when it comes to announce the 2.x updates for existing devices...but providing updates will be an important part in keeping the customer happy, just take a look at apple.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kwiksand:
Geez, the misinformation in here is attrocious
[Hero, G2 Touch General] crash_194:
I really don't mind my hero as it is with the stock orange rom and even if it never got updated again i still wouldn't get rid of it lol. Its just human nature isn't it to always want the next best things. Guys i rekon we should forget that there is a 2.1 update coming and when it comes, it comes!

If the phone really does fall that short of your expectations with the current rom, then sell it lol
[Hero, G2 Touch General] alias_neo:
Update?

Did nobody read the update on the polish website?

Google Translated to English

"[Update 14/01/2010]

Powyższe informacje nie są oficjalnym stanowiskiem HTC Polska.​

This information is not an official position of HTC Poland.

Zostały one jedynie sformułowane na podstawie wypowiedzi jednego z pracowników HTC na naszym forum.​

They were only formulated on the basis of expression of one of the workers on our HTC forum.

This information is not an official statement of HTC Poland.

They were only formulated on the basis of expression of one of the employees HTC in ours forum."

​
[Hero, G2 Touch General] urandom:
now some sources say that the 2.1 will be released at the end of march.

www.eurodroid.com/2010/01/htc-will-...om+(Planet+Android)&utm_content=Google+Reader
[Hero, G2 Touch General] pauliusba:
That's just pathetic.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
like i said already, just use one of the AOSP roms either by lox or jnwhiteh, theyre both stable and fast, both probably better than htcs final product ;)

save yourself the stress and hassle
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
do those builds have the updated htc sense included or just vanilla android?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
vanilla, but its better that way imo. it is faster and more stable than before. only app i have not tried yet is Skype on 3, which is a bit bugged as it is. otherwise everything works fine.

the voice-enabled text fields (i.e. all the text fields on the system) are worth it alone.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] iRobert:
there are some with sense, too. look into the dev section. i´ll give them a try tomorrow i think. just have to get busybox and titanium backup running ;-)

bb.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
ok, but i especially need the htc sense contacts app, and the social media integration of htc sense is so much better than pure android 2.x. the overall experience with the widgets is also imo better than what you can get with vanilla android and market widgets.

sadly there are no real professional contacts app solutions available on the market, therefore i want htc sense.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
i'm assuming you've tried the 2.x contacts app? what did you think htc do better? imo, with the improvements that have been made to it, it is now better than the htc sense contacts app. just my point of view. also there is social media integration in the 2.1 contacts app, i don't know what more you need.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] pauliusba:
Smart dial searching?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes i had a Motorola Milestone testdevice for more than one month (http://smartphoneblogging.com/2009/12/review-motorola-milestone-droid-android-2-0/). The UI for the 2.0 contacts app is still ugly, and while the popup shortcuts do help, it not nearly as good as the htc sense contacts app.

on htc sence you will have better facebook integration with status updates and images besides the contact info sync, and the UI is MUCH more professional. Especially the way you can switch betweeen the communication channels (email, messages, facebook, call log and so on). You also got groups which you can easily access, and an own panel for contact updates (facebook, flickr). And you can access all of this information without switching to another app.

I have worked with an HTC Hero and an Motorola Milestone for a while now. I also wrote a few articles on HTC Hero and HTC Sense. The HTC Sense part should make it clear why i prefer it to vanilla android:

HTC Sense Review
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Thats also a very nice feature...android 2.0 doesnt support this? i didn't really try this on my milestone testdevice...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
true, thats one thing that surprises me about android in general, since this has been on WM for as long as i can remember (2003??), why they didnt include it is beyond me. might have to modify the code myself...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kadison:
Looks like it's coming in March :(

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2010/01/27/htc_hero_android_update/
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes this already has been posted.

HTC is awfully slow regarding updates. And we are talking about the current Android flagship here.

But as long as most of the Android competition is EVEN SLOWER with announcing and providing updates, i don't see any pressure on HTC to change their pace anytime soon.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kadison:
I had a quick look but didn't notice it.

Looking on the bright side, we're at the end of January now, so March isn't that far away.

If HTC are spending all this time getting it 100% right i'm sure we'll all forgive the delay once it's out.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] illogic6:
Somehow, I don't think they are fervorously working on our update. I'd even wager that they're probably sitting on a perfectly good 2.1 Hero firmware right now.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] alias_neo:
Agreed, but as an Engineer as well as a consumer, I don't mind as long as they are actually testing it before release and not leaving it to sit there, since I hate the new philosophy of making the customer the beta tester these days.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
they will definetly NOT use all the delay time to test it. its a very optimistic assumption to think that a 6 months delay means that HTC will test it better than any other previous updates. I think we are talking about strategic decisions here, HTC is holding back the update until they present their next gen devices like the bravo. I guess they want to show off htc sense 2.0 on the MWC.

you can be sure as hell that the update will fix some current bugs and introduce some new ones instead. This will never change, and this is not an HTC exclusive thing, but valid for the whole industry.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
I wouldn't be at all surprised if this were the case. The Magic got a Sense upgrade, and this was "announced" prior to the original Hero shipping. However, the actual update didn't come out until some months later.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nukleuzN:
I find it strange that they even answer us when approximately they plan to release the update. We as customers, and who have heard about the various updates in over a half year, is getting pretty tired of waiting - and many feels that they have been deceived!

They have must a planned launch date - otherwise it is not a serious company.

My English isn't the best, but I hope you understand!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sheridan2000:
That will do the trick for sure, they have no choice now but to release the new Rom....NOT...be serious dude, your email will make no difference at all, and if your so fed up with HTC then why have you continued to buy loads of their phones......moan, moan, moan will get you know where....they will release it when they choose to and not sooner.....get a grip of yourself and stop acting like a child...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nicolatron1975:
As a deceived consumer he has all the right to complain to HTC. And yes, if a lot of people complains they actually might reconsider their lacking-support policy.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
actually i have also come to the point that i don't care about the update anymore. I'm just using the Hero everyday and i'm getting along with it quite well. It IS really getting on my nerves how often HTC postponed the update, but there is nothing i can do about it right now. And i'm a longterm windows mobile user so this is nothing new for me.

i will take a closer look at competitors and if i find one which is faster with updates i.e. Motorola, then my next android device will be from them. Sadly nobody else provides such a great UI like Sense UI so this makes the decision harder.

But right now i'm an hero user and since i can't change the release date for the update i might as well just concentrate on other things ...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] JanSchotsmans:
What if I tell you guys that the delay is not because they don't have the update, but because of agreements with other companies that carry HTC devices and/or have a device developed for them by HTC, that do have the latest android version.

Just as always (like the iPhone Multitasking bull****) features are withheld from devices to be able to boost sales on new ones.

These delays are for the same reason, not because they don't have it, but because the financial incetives are there to delay it so devices that come out with the updated OS get better sales.

If we are unlucky, they'll even keep the delays going until most of the waiting people decide to upgrade anyway. Gadget geeks don't do a full year with their phones, they already wasted half of that time, just a few more months and many people will simply buy a new android device.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
err...yes, i have already mentioned that in this topic. I'm pretty sure that we are talking about strategic issues here. MWC and HTC Bravo are just around the corner and they probably want to keep the bang fpr the bravo...but for the customer it doesn't make any difference if it's not finished, or if it's finished and sitting out. Because on both cases the result is the same: no update.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
i am considering a Motorola next time, someone more informed than me about different phone makers needs to start a poll or something so we can get an idea of who is a good alternative. i've had ok experiences with Samsung in the past with WM.

i am even considering selling this stupid hero and buying a g1, since it is better supported by the community (i.e. cyanogen)

also whoever said the reason the update is being delayed on purpose by htc is very right, and i think the nexus1 is to blame.

also one thing to keep in mind is that if you do change phone maker, then remember the 'wonderful' google themselves chose htc as a maker, so the state of things probably not going to get better than what it is now, seeing as the others were probably considered inferior in some respect to htc...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
I have a G1 - it was my phone prior to the Hero, and I still use it occasionally with a PAYG SIM.

I can tell you that in my opinion, Hero running Sense is a vastly superior phone the G1 running the latest Cyanogen.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yeah i think going back to the G1 is a too harsh reaction ;) i wouldn't trade in my hero for it...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
i had a g1 too, if i could get 2.1 running on it acceptably i think it would be better than the hero. the sense ui is just an oxymoron.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] bigbamboo5:
Perfect! Some common sense here, at last! :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
If you guys are thinking about going to another brand to get faster updates...prepare yourselfs for dissapointment.

Official updates might come at the same time,or even sooner and more frequently(i highly doubt it,but ok...lets keep that as a possibility),but you wont have custom ROM´s and when your device gets outdated no more updates wathsoever...and im not talking about 2/3 years but 10/12 months.

This is what i learned from all the years using PDA´s.

As for the update itself...HTC is here to make money like any other company out there.Off-course they will wait to sell some newer model units and then release the update...thats marketing basics...it would be really stupid not to do so.How many industries do this?Ever been called by your car manufacturer to update your

engine control unit

(also known as ECU its like the software of your engine) that they could do in 10 minutes easily and would give your car 15 hp...no.

Be happy that this industry does that.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yeah but its not marketing basics to jump over multiple Android updates (1.6, 2.0) and hold the newest one back because other devices are coming. They could have given us 1.6 and then in late march 2.1 after the other devices have been shown off...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
Although Android is open source, I think there might be some kind of cost implication with the closed source Google apps. The recently announced Motorola Devour is apparently going to ship with Android 1.6, which seems bizarre to me unless it is somehow "cheaper" to ship with the earlier version.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Sir_Oliver:
I've just sent an email to HTC..... Waiting for reply.....
[Hero, G2 Touch General] IrfanSEAT:
anyone on orange received the tweet about a new rom

i am downloading now
[Hero, G2 Touch General] barryallott:
Eh, what's this. Went onto Orange site.only old Rom available.

What ver is this rom you speak of?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] IrfanSEAT:
http://ow.ly/13YR2
[Hero, G2 Touch General] barryallott:
As the version starts with 2.73, then its based on the same core version.. the rest of the numbers are just to do with location/type/carrier.

So although this is a new rom from HTC, I wouldnt imagine it has anything different (other than orange stuff) than the stock 2.73 from the HTC site.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] GeknGekn:
HTC tweeted this Latest in Support - ROM Upgrade for HTC Hero: An updated ROM is now available for HTC Hero customers to download. ... http://bit.ly/auBlym

but nothing new??? Whats the deal?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes i asked them too, why they tweeted about a 3 months old update...but they don't answer anybody...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] spamianspoon:
I love my HERO, but there's NO WAY I'm buying another HTC phone or recommending them to friends after this nonsense. And actually, having run Kagudroid for a few weeks I can safely say that I don't miss HTC sense in the slightest.

If HTC ever do release 2.1 I think it's safe to say it'll be around the time Google release 2.5 or 3. So, we'll still be behind.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] deadwilder:
it's not official HTC account...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
I'm pretty certain that it is "official", just informal.

I got the tweet that GeknGekn mentioned on my phone, but when I look at http://twitter.com/htc is isn't there - I wonder if it was more of a twitter issue than a genuine post.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] xsirhc6x:
whats the latest on un branded ruu?

still 15/16/ or 17th? (of February)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
the latest is that nobody knows...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
The Hero ROM tweet was from @HTC_eu:

http://twitter.com/htc_eu

It's still there...this doesn't look like a twitter issue, because the original tweet about the rom update last year also specified the Version Number. This time the number is missing, so this is indeed a new tweet about an >3 months old update. Very lame, bad timing, and especially when everybody is waiting for the new update, this kind of tweet looks like HTC is making fun of the customers...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
I see it now - I suspect it was just bad linking and this should have been linked to the Orange ROM on the UK site, as this was released on the 4th Feb.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
makes sense...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Psycho77:
I asked my north american HTC rep and they are aiming for march for Telus. That's the eta I got.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
what's the problem? you know some people are using rss feeds and twitter, and when HTC tweets about an update they get a notification and check it out.

It's not like we are checking the HTC Homepage MANUALLY each day.

If you understand RSS or Twitter you would know that you don't have to do anything since the information will come to you...it's perfectly possible to do other things and still be interested in HTC news when they arrive...only thing is: in this case it was a misinformation, which is not very professional.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] xsirhc6x:
lol i dont like this guy above me
[Hero, G2 Touch General] PulpzillA:
i dont either.

douche.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] farukb:
simon-ass chill at once...you only just joined and already started spamming and ****ting....get quiet or you will end up banned...and if you persist on behaving like that...you surely will...trust me on that one

this is your LAST warning!!!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
Actually he's been on here before under several guises and already has had several logins banned.

Just ignore him because posts like yours are exactly what fuels him from posting in the first place.

Regards,

Dave
[HD2 General] Krawlor:
Hello!

I have a problem with my hd 2.

Somehow I activated the phone lock, i'm not sure how it happened, as I know where the setting is and I don't recall activating it.

The problem is that I can't figure out how to deactivate it again (the check box "Prompt if phone unused for" is grayed out, can't uncheck it)

I can change the settings, like, how much time before it locks up or what password I want to use, but no disable.

I really don't want this phone lock to be activated so if anyone could tell me what to do to deactivate it i'd be most grateful!

Tried to search the forums for it but couldn't find anything.

Thanks!
[HD2 General] MidnightDraven:
try clearing the password fields, and changing the time to 0 minutes, and then see if it'll let you untick the box.
[HD2 General] Archer:
You can disable auto lock with BsB Tweaks. That's probably the easiest method.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=589305
[HD2 General] Krawlor:
MidnightDraven: thanks, I tried that but it won't let me clear the password field, just keeps saying that it's not allowed to keep it blank, even if I set the time to 0.....

johncmolyneux: I'll give it a go:)

Thanks both of you for replying :)
[HD2 General] Krawlor:
I tried out this application, and disabled the "auto lock" function, but I still get prompted when I reboot my phone, that I have to type in the phone lock code ?

Seems to have worked other than that....any other ideas as to how I can get rid of it completely ? :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
I don't know what to say mate. I just set mine to lock and require a pin, but it let me untick the "prompt if unused" checkbox and blanked out the password for me when I did it. It's now back to the way it was.

Have you installed any software recently?
[HD2 General] Krawlor:
Weird...

Well i'm using topix ROM which I got from these forums, and only other thing I have installed is the cab that makes the battery shown in %.

Could it be the topix ROM perhaps?
[HD2 General] Archer:
It's possible. Try raising the issue in the thread you got the ROM from. I'm sure someone else would have seen the issue if it is caused by that ROM.
[HD2 General] Krawlor:
Figured it out

Figured out why it got activated!

When I setup the exchange connection for my workplace must be some sort of security policy, that forces you to activate the phone lock if you want to sync the emails, can't find away around it, but at least the mystery is solved :)

Thanks again for your help!
[HD2 General] Archer:
Makes sense, and worth noting for future!

Glad to help mate :)
[HD2 General] toyjeep:
Hi,

I Have the same issue with exchange.

But there is no other option to disable it? some reg modification?
[HD2 General] inkaau:
Hi all,

I've just got my HD2 and it's the first Windows Mobile device I've synced with my exchange server. Had the same thing and it really bugged me but I found a work around. If you're an Exchange admin (or you're in good with those who are), Google search for Exchange-2003-Mobile-Messaging-Part2-Uncovering-Device-Security-Policies - use the first link. You can disable the requirement for a password globally, or you can specify an individual user to exclude from the password policy. I've just added my username in as an exclusion and it works like a treat!

Good luck
[HD2 General] Beatkeeper:
Inbox

outbox

sent items

drafts

deleted items

At the moment it goes straight to my inbox and the last message that was sent, very annoying as i have to then press"all messages" and then get the drop down menu.

Any ideas?
[HD2 General] richiexu:
go to SMS, menu->setting->traditional mode~~
[HD2 General] dannybz:
I don't see that option in my HTC Touch2 (Mega). I don't like the threaded view. Prefer the classic style of SMS.
[HD2 General] brussel:
on a similar note

With both the email and sms is there anyway to go to the inbox by default for maul or to all messages by default. I like the Sense view but going straight to the inbox makes much more sense to me?
[HD2 General] nashed24:
please

Yes i completely agree ... there def needs to be a way that texts go back to All messages by default ... same with emails. This just doesnt make sense!