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[HD2 General] freyberry:
No, those are no Java games. And those were just some examples from what I have installed on my device. Some of them are from Gameloft (gameloft.com).
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
do you have screenshots to those games?

Because i cant find screenshots with graphics like the games i just named :(
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Not true. The only reason it works well is because of the AGPS quick fix.

Turn on airplane mode and compare with any SirfIII, you will discover what it's really worth.

I discovered when travelling abroad. The device became worthless when roaming. Took more than 2 minutes to fix.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Haha, more than two minutes?

Other phones, like my old HD, take more than 7 minutes sometimes, with aGPS ON.

Those 2 minutes without aGPS are great, actually. And the SirfIII BT mouse I have isn't faster at all.

I could make some screenshots but why? Honestly, I'm too lazy.
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
any openGL 2.0 games list that has good iphone-like graphics and gameplay?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Look here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=588786

But there are only 2 or 3 OGL2.0 games.
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
thats really to bad :(
[HD2 General] derScheich:
edit: dammit ...
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
nice screenshots..... :eek::rolleyes:

EDIT: i looked on the site...and found the screenshots.

I dont like the graphics of those games.

Only 3 ogl games.....argh.
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
I say unless you really miss something on iPhone which HD2 solves, keep your iPhone. It's great device. If you never had WM phone, be warned ..
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
what can you warn me about windows mobile?

I know the graphics will be alot less in apps, easy menu's and smoothness will be less...and about 3 opengl2 games instead of 1000.

That last thing is really killing me. if more developers would create 3d games for this device, my choice is quickly made.

does windows mobile actually have advantages over OSX on iphone?(a jailbroken iphone)
[HD2 General] kenkiller:
Just stick to Iphone if games are important.....on Winmo, games aren't anywhere near the quality and quantity.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Sure. A lot actually:

- you can use it as USB storage

- you don't need iTunes to sync, you can sync your media with multiple PCs

- multitasking and Bluetooth transfers work a lot better than with a jailbroken iPhone

- great Emulators like FPSECE and Morphgear

- a homescreen that displays more than just 'dumb' icons

- internet sharing works a lot better

- a good concept for dealing with notifications

If you want it simple, the iPhone is your friend. If you want all possibilities, customization etc. out of the box, WM is better. With WM, you gain a lot of power but sacrifice ease of use (naturally, with more possibilities, things also get more complicated).

What's wrong with playing PSX games? They're better than anything you find in the AppStore...
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
you didnt play games from gameloft apparently.

i have to totally agree with you. a point for the HD2.

iPhone got more emulators but the snapdragon in the HD2 can play PSX games a bit faster. i say a tie in emulators.

ever used a jailbroken iphone?

i only use one pc but in the past i sold a to old pc, i indeed spended about an hour to have itunes reconise my other pc as my old pc, through some hacks. point for hd2.

multitasking on iphone 3gs is superb, never have problems with it. you need a jailbroken iphone though, and a 3gs, not a other typ.

Bluetooth sucks indeed....because i cant transfer files, but this is gonna chance soon for jailbreakers...so its a tie.

again, use pdanet or another app, works great for jailbreakers. dont know about the HD2.

well i do know push notifications, mails and sms messages work perfectly and are received instantly dont know about the HD2 though.

But i guess it has some advantages ;)

I have someone who wants to pay alot for my 3gs, the price to buy a new HD2 in store.
[HD2 General] the-uki:
10s is the norm for a cold fix with Quickgps, and without AGPS, not 2 minutes.

My SirfIII Royaltek BT has less than 30s for a cold fix (yes, cold)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I only had an iPhone 3G. But from what I see on Youtube, there isn't any game that's better than what's there for the PSX.

Not really. There's everything for WM except for N64 and most of the emulators for the iPhone don't work too well.

Yes but that was not possible. Is it now?

Again, I really can't see how this is a tie? Multitasking is still better with WM (try TaskFacade, e.g.) and BT sucks with the iPhone.

Connection sharing via USB, Bluetooth and WiFi all come with the HD2 out of the box. I never could make PDANet work when I had an iPhone. With the HD2, it's two clicks and it just works.

But hey, I don't want to argue about which phone is better. For me, it's of course the HD2 and I was pretty disappointed with my iPhone 3G (despite OS3.0 and jailbreak) and sold it for an HTC Touch HD back then. But it's your decision, after all, and I can't say what's better for you.

I've written down some general thoughts about iPhone vs. HD2 a while back, maybe that helps: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5144371&postcount=7

And by the way, if you're happy with your iPhone, you can always wait another few months and see what happens: The HTC Nexus One should be released in 5 days, Windows Mobile 7 will possibly be announced at MWC and RTM sometime Q2, maybe come to the HD2 even earlier, the next iPhone will be announced in June...
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
i have a 3gs, not a 3g. the games from EA and gameloft are 3 times better then PSX games, although i have to say i also enjoy PSX gaming.

and seriously, i never had any problem using tethering and multitasking.

double tap home button, tap app from all apps that are running, and done.

quit a app? press the cross in the double tap home button menu.

super simple.

And yes i could also wait 5 years...then i can get a phone with a 5" screen, quad core 5ghz processor and emulate crysis.

Its a hobby of mine to possess the best mobile phone in the world. i guess its a opinion what phone is the best, comparing the HD2 and iPhone 3gs.

Hard choice.....hard choice....:(

by the way: the easyness of the iphone is to easy for me, i like the advanced stuff on the HD2, and i like to tweak some things to get the maximum out of my device.

im 100% sure im gonna miss all the quality games.

But the HD2 got many things to make up with that downside. the screen....touchflo....skyfire...

But im wondering if im gonna miss my iphone 3gs. Im getting a pandora console soon(www.openpandora.org) and maby i can use it as a replacement for my iphone somehow.
[HD2 General] the-uki:
I would say the one and only drawback of iPhone is it's extremely poor GPS chip. You can't find worse on the market than that of the iPhone. It's even worse than the really bad Qualcom GPS, which only works acceptable with AGPS activated. Lightyears behind a SirfIII chip.

As for the rest, my wife has an iPhone, and I must say that its ergonomics are light-years ahead. Hopefuly WM7 will catch up. I also find the touch-screen in the iPhone is far superior and natural, picks up every move and swipe without error and smoothly, which you cannot claim with the HD2.

And for those who use email and SMS a lot, iPhone is far superior. I still haven't found a single email client for WM65 that even gets close to the iPhone - also no nested SMS in WM65.

Last but not least - uncomparibly more useful software for the iPhone than there is for WM65. My ISP provider has an iPhone app, my satellite TV provider has an iphone app. I have a real-time traffic map from Viamichelin for iPhone. I have a tourguide to visit the Louvre on the iPhone. I have live radar warners for the iPhone. You name it, there is something there. Nothing like that exists for Windows Mobile, very very unfortunately. Nowadays when I go to the electronics megastores, everything in there is for iPhone, hardly anything for any other phone. I have not yet seen a single radio with an HD2 stand integrated to play music off the HD2. - Every home-cinema amp has one now - for the iPhone. Unless someone is going to do something clever, WM and HTC will simply fade away at this rate.
[HD2 General] borgqueenx:
I never had a problem with gps on the iphone. Even indoors i sometimes have a signal.

Tomtom and navigon never lose their signal as well.

No, i dont have any problem with the gps.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You're kidding, right?

SMS and email applications on the iPhone suck.

And the GPS chip in the iPhone sucks as well... had a conversation with a friend the other day, he had his iPhone in the TomTom cradle:

He: With the TomTom cradle I can charge it and it finds GPS signal in 7 seconds. Much faster than the internal GPS.

I: Well, look... (taking out my HD2, tapping on TomTom - boom, it's got the signal in 3 seconds)...

He: Ah, well...

I: I can run iGO8 at the same time... (tapping iGO while TomTom still running - boom, signal is there in 2 seconds)... and did you know that was the first time I started those applications? Yeah right, cold GPS fix in 3 seconds! :D
[HD2 General] pixel mixer:
somehow i was having the same doubts about what to get, the hd2 or the 3gs, i ended up with an hd2 and an ipod touch instead of the iphone.

her's what i have noticed so far:

HD2 PROs

- huge screen, PAL or NTSC movies are cool to watch

- no need to transfer to another format

- internet browsing is a bit better due to bigger screen

- gps nav is very fast

- skype works ok

- decent email app

- nice video recording

HD2 CONs

- stupid WM operating system, worst ever

- never designed to be used with a finger despite it's rez and size, some buttons are way to small and poorly implemented for a finger use

- it has a lifespan of maybe a day at most (i would say half a day), when using wifi, movies, games and gps nav

- i hate not having an instant messenger on the main screen, instead i have tweeter which i don't use

- weather is such a stupid addon on the main screen, when is cloudy outside you can't see **** on the main screen due to clouds allover the screen on top of the icons

- camera is decent but not good, it takes to much time to initiate the cam and focus, most of the time your subject is gone

- fring does not work on 6.5 WM

- no 32gb or bigger micro sdhc cards

- only 15 contacts on the people page on hd2 (maybe you can change that), and the contact list sucks

- geo tagging never worked for me

- WM is ****ing ugly

IPHONE PROs:

- APP STORE

- finger friendly OS

- fring works

IPHONE CONs

- small screen (half the size of htc hd2)

- you need to convert every movie, document, file transfer is a joke (unless you want to complicate your life with a ton of extra apps installed just for a simple file transfer from your phone to your computer)

- not a permanent jailbreak so far for the 3gs

- no battery replacement

- no extra hdd space or micro sdhc card

i don't care about SMS so i have no opinion on this

i play games on ipod touch and watch movies on hd2

i would love a device where i can do both and of course have a good choice of apps to use, that's why still the iphone is the one to choose

you can't beat 100.000 apps on APP STORE, it's not device related! make 100.000 apps available on winmo, apps that work flawlessly no matter what rez or OS version and i will ditch OSX for winmo tomorrow, until then APP STORE WINS!
[HD2 General] Spike15:
I don't really understand peoples' fixation with the Apple AppStore. Sure, you get a lot of apps in one place, but what you sacrifice for this is open development.

Sure, Windows Marketplace may not have all the apps, may not have as many apps, et cetera, but you can do more with your Windows Mobile phone because the 3rd party community is a lot freer to do what they want.

You may have to break out the browser and use a search engine to find your Windows Mobile app, but the apps that I have seen are much more powerful.

The performance on Windows Mobile devices with comparable hardware to the iPhone is actually somewhat similar, the difference is that the iPhone tricks you into thinking it's fast by showing fancy animations to disguise load times.

I've done side-by-side comparisons of my Touch Pro 2 (I don't get my HD2 'till tomorrow) and my cousin's iPhone, and I've found that loading most things takes about the same time, it's the animations that fool you into believing the iPhone is faster.

Also, I've found that Windows Mobile, once you get used to it, offers you more direct and efficient ways to accomplish things. Sure, it may not have the pick it up and you're instantly a poweruser experience of the iPhone, but in return for that sacrifice, you gain a much smoother experience at the top end of the learning curve.

Isn't the iPhone's battery life dismal?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
What a load of bull****. You get any of those applications for WM and some more.

I didn't even bother to read the rest of your post. Obviously you're an iPhone fanboy without a clue.

EDIT: OK now I read it... loads and loads of bull****:

Oh... my... god... the iPhone's camera sucks. Plain and simple. The HD2 has one of the best cameras among all smartphones (only some Symbian phones beat it). And it's worlds better that the iPhone's camera (if you can call this piece of junk a camera).

And why do you fanboys always cite the jailbreak? Because the iPhone is a brick without it?

The fact alone that you need to jailbreak it to get basic features is enough. And don't deny that, cause you cite the jailbreak all the time, which really is proof that it's needed. When you hack the iPhone, you get basic features that should be there from the beginning. When you hack a Windows Mobile device, you get things that iPhone users can not even dream of.

And needless to say that with the jailbreak, your iPhone gets just as unstable, complicated etc. as a Windows Mobile device. The one reason to buy an iPhone is because it 'just works' and is simple. But if you're one of the people who need more and thus need to jailbreak it, then a Windows Mobile device is definitely the better choice.

I don't care too much about the software. Windows Mobile is better than iPhone OS in many ways (especially as a phone, but also as GPS device and for Office/Exchange, and those are the things I care about), and iPhone OS has quite a few advantages, too.

My PERSONAL number one reasons to get rid of the iPhone were:

- camera (forget about the iPhone in low light, where the HD2 still takes gorgeous pics - and all those artifacts on iPhone pictures even in good light suck)

- display (HVGA?! Come on...)

- battery (worst battery life ever... the iPhone never lasted me a full day, and that battery is not even swappable)

Then comes the software. I often got upset with iPhone OS because it didn't let me do basic stuff. That never happens to me with WM.

In addition, the HD2 has much better build quality. No scratched Apple logo, no hairline cracks. Macbook-like unibody case.
[HD2 General] rahulelectra:
no iphone doest suck in email and sms regard ..actually what goes in favour of it it displays the mails and sms in way better than any other platform though it lacks complete exchange compatibility.

Iphone may be better for not so IT savvy persons (read old persons) .. for others like me Windows phone wins
[HD2 General] Spike15:
If it lacks "complete exchange [sic] compatibility" then it's a useless e-mail platform.

Sad truth.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
No, it doesn't lack complete Exchane compatibility. But nevertheless the mail application on the iPhone sucks for Exchange users.
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Great post eagle steve. Saves me the hassle of writing it out when I can just refer to your post.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
the fixation inhaving "oh oh everything in one place" is the same mentality that is killing town centers.people are inherently lazy, they want huge out of tow

n supermarkets and not rows of shops, they want an app to do something, and not have to choose from several different suppliers.

yes I phones are technically a great (or so I hear, I've never actually seen one in real life) but for me apples smothering is the biggest deal breaker.its that mentality that will eventually lead to "one phone, one app store"any choice you like so long as apple approves".

can't do something on your winmo? write an app to do it.

can't do something on your jobsphone? be sure and ask permission before you even think of writing that app.

ill never own anything from apple.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Except that most of his post is BS. I mean, come on, the iPhone and a good camera? And more satnav apps? :rolleyes:

And for every basic feature he needs to cite the jailbreak - which makes an iPhone even more unstable and complicated than a WM device, which can still do a lot more, even without hacking it.

Seriously, if you need to jailbreak your iPhone in order to be satisfied with it, you should really just ditch it and get a WM device.

Cause then you get all the basic features out of the box and MUCH better hardware. No junk camera, no non-removable battery, no ****ty HVGA screen.

If you're satisfied with an iPhone without the jailbreak, you should definitely not buy a WM device. But if you need the jailbreak, the iPhone is the wrong device for you. It's that simple.
[HD2 General] the-uki:
As long as AGPS is active you get a quick fix. Go inside a car with athermical windows, and you can forget using Tomtom or whatever with an iPhone.

If you ever had the taste of a SirfIII chip you will understand.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
You don't even need a SirfIII chip. Like I said abefore, my HD2 gets a fix in 3 seconds in the car whereas my friend's iPhone gets no fix at all or only after minutes.

And for those who like the iPhone OS so much... what is the best software worth when it runs on ****ty hardware? Bad battery life, bad pictures, lots of zooming because of low resolution screen and lots of fret because of all the scratches in the Apple logo and all over the phone, no matter how carefully you treat it.

iPhone OS is definitely not worse all that hassle when you're a 'poweruser' who wants more than a non-jailbroken iPhone OS provides.

On the other hand, if you don't need the advanced features, then Windows Mobile is not worth the hassle of tweaking it etc.

But why are wi still talking about iPhone vs. HD? If anything can challenge the HD2, then it's the Nexus One, not the iPhone.
[HD2 General] enyaj:
I don't understand the fascination about the apple app store. There are tons of windows apps everywhere. People rave about iPhone because they have 100,000 useless apps on the app store????
[HD2 General] enyaj:
my sister and her boyfriend got a 16gb and 32gb iphone 3gs and they couldnt send pics over bluetooth, how great is that???
[HD2 General] freyberry:
If you're fine with no Bluetooth transfers, no USB storage mode, iTunes, ****ty camera, ****ty screen, bad battery life, no multitasking, obtrusive notifications, then get an iPhone - you will have something that 'just works', except for its limitations ;)

If you want more, don't bother with jailbreaking, just get a Windows Phone. Maybe not everything will 'just work', but there are no limitations and much much better hardware.

And there are quite a few good pieces of software that you don't get on the iPhone. Like good emulators and better satnav applications. I would't always count the AppStore as an advantage, it depens on what you need.
[HD2 General] romac:
iphone v HD2

Just look at the facts

http://kiwi.kz/watch/3tnebhh9i2ty
[HD2 General] the-uki:
True the HD2 AGPS works great - until you go roaming. Lets talk then.

As far as battery life is concerned, my iPhone 3G was the same or better than HD2.

At least the iphone is intelligent enough to Automatically stop all Data traffic when you are roaming - everyone beware with the HD2 - it connects whenever it wants with no warning - even when you are roaming. I had a bill that was more expensive than what the phone is worth !!!!!
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It's just as fast without A-GPS. Worlds better than the one in the iPhone, and by the way, the iPhone uses A-GPS as well, so you have the same "problem" when roaming. You have an even bigger "problem" with the iPhone, because its GPS chip is so bad.

Come on, do you really need to lie in order to defend your iPhone? We all know that the HD2 has better battery life than the iPhone 3GS, which has much better battery life than the iPhone 3G.

I had three iPhone 3Gs and two Touch HDs, and my Touch HDs lasted a minimum of 50% longer than the iPhones. No HTC phone EVER abandoned me before the night, whereas my iPhone 3Gs often were already dead at 5pm.

It really doesn't matter how good a phone is when it's dead after 2/3 of your working day. That never happened to me with HTC.

And if you're too stupid to turn off the data connection while roaming, then you definitely shouldn't buy a WM device. But then you're probably too stupid to use ANY advanced features, so the iPhone will be enough anyway.
[HD2 General] TrYde:
Uh ?? Ever heard of the app on XDA that disables data when roaming ? Ever considered unticking the "Use when roaming" checkbox in most applications (including sense and MS) ?

It's quite the way around, ie the iphone (or its user) is dumb enough to let it connect while roaming. There have been users with over $10000 bills with iphones, none with HTC that I heard of.
[HD2 General] thebishops:
Sound Quality.

My wife had a iPod Touch and I know a few people with iPhones and the biggest complaint I have about them is sound quality for music playback. The best PDA Phone I've tried so far has to be the Omnia 2. This is my wifes current phone and the sound is excellent. Next is the Sony Ericsson X-1. After that is the HD-2 (IMHO). The iPhone/iPod's just don't cut it for me as MP3 players.

Also, ever tried making a playlist on a iPhone. It could be used as a type of torture!!!!

As everyone else has said before, this is just my opinion and I expect others to disagree.

To my mind the Apple concept is always Form over Function. I've always preferred it the other way!!
[HD2 General] freyberry:
By the way, if anyone believes the BS about the iPhone 3GS having a better camera, just read this: http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-10431279-248.html

And the HD2 even has a slightly better camera than the Nexus One (exactly the same sensor, but dual LED and better software/ better post-processing).
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Sorry but that is totally incorrect. The iPhone offers a single button that is off by default, stoping you from data connections when roaming.

Not so with the HD2, which connects when you are roaming. Lukilly you have an option in BSD Tweaks to disable this. I would have expected that to be part of the OS, not part of an XDA app. Common sense, no?
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Just came accross an agrument to all those that have something to say about iphone apps being exclusively fart apps:

http://iphoneoverdose.com/tag/app-store-sales/

Seriously review your arguemnts and thoughts.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
There is an option in the OS to disable the data connection. There's an option for pretty much anything on Windows Mobile. You can't say this of the iPhone...

About your article: Totally doesn't prove anything. What does the amount of downloaded applications have to do with their quality? Nothing. If 199 people download a fart app from the AppStore and 1 guy downloads a useful app for Windows Mobile, then 95% of apps have been downloaded from the AppStore, but 100% of all useful apps have been downloaded to Windows Mobile.

The one who seriously should think about his arguments is you.
[HD2 General] Martyn Day:
the hd2 still required reboots daily but it is abit faster, but i seen a 3gs in action loading games and there pretty fast,
[HD2 General] freyberry:
If you have to reboot every day then you're definitely doing something wrong.