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[Nexus One General] Digitaldreamer7:
IDK if you all are missing the point or if maybe im just redirecting it but here goes

This does not fit into how google normally does things. Correct me if im wrong but the formula usually goes

Take good service/software and make it better + dirt cheap or free+data mining = profit$$

If they aren't subsidizing any of the cost, why should we let them have our data?
[Nexus One General] illutionz:
I am fully agree with your statement that at least this phone has some sort of US 3G support which many unlocked phones lacked or manufacturers are too slow to release the US 3G version (read: Nokia N95 NAM edition).

I think this angry attitude is a manifestation of our credit-driven lifestyle. Many people don't realize that paying cheaper price for a phone alongside mandatory 2 years contract (and ETFs if we decided to cancel) is more expensive. Even if they do, the fact that they can OWN the product NOW (regardless whether you can afford the whole price or not) is what makes it desirable in this part of the world.

Regarding the fact that it doesn't support AT&T 3G bands, well suck it up because iPhone didn't support T-Mobile 3G either and I'm sure there are many Tmob subscribers are interested to get that capabilities too. Until US cleared up these 3G band fragmentation (which probably won't happen), we are at the mercy of these manufacturers to step up their game and put in Quad Band UMTS as opposed to cherry picking 3 UMTS bands to be put into their phones.
[Nexus One General] burton14e7:
Only thing making me think twice is when will a keyboard version of the hardware come out. :(
[Nexus One General] t-mizzle:
The keyboard phone with these specs would be the next G1, most likely to come out just in time for the early G1 adopters to renew their contracts.
[Nexus One General] karnovaran:
Expanding on this and assuming no discounts...

Option A) Buy the phone for $180 subsidized and the 500-minute plan for $80/mo, signing a contract to pay $2100 total over 24 mos.

Option B) Buy the phone for $530 unsubsidized and unlocked and choose the comparable 500-minute plus unlimited text/data Even More Plus plan for $60/mo for a total cost of $1970 over 24 mos with no contract.

So over two years of the phone and contract, you save $130 by going with option B.

But will you really last two years? Let's see what happens if you want to change phones after one year, which is entirely possible given the rate at which mobile technology is moving.

Option A) Early reports indicate a $350 early termination fee imposed by T-Mobile during the first 120 days, but no details have been learned about the fee past that window. Let's assume it reduces linearly to zero over the remaining life of the contract, meaning your fee for leaving early would be $210 at the one year mark. This puts you at $1350 to get out free and clear from the phone and contract.

Option B) You have no ETF, so you'll have paid $1250 at the end of one year.

So, even after just a year you still spend $100 less buying unsubsidized. Further, your phone will already be unlocked and unbranded, ready for quick sale on E-bay.

Pretty simple choice for me. Less money & easy to move on = no-brainer.
[Nexus One General] mbomberz1:
Google Voice.

What is the outlook regarding a Data only plan while using Google Voice to handle all of your calling/messaging/texts? When reading about this phone, the idea of this got me really excited. I know there has been talk of this, but do you guys see it happening? And soon?

Who even allows a Data only plan? Im on ATT and there is no way to make this happen, that i know of.
[Nexus One General] Jackasaur:
Agreed, $530 isn't that much if you think about it. I rather pay $60 a month rather than $80.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
I almost paid $900 for a HD2 Leo a few months ago :eek: $530 is a bargain :D Plus only paying $50 a month!
[Nexus One General] seraph1024:
Put it this way, I remember paying 800+ shipping for Omnia, 750+ shipping for Diamond, Another 650+ for Glofish E500 in their days. I paid 500 for Hero (which does not even have any US 3G) a few months back. I also recently bought and sold a few iphones 3G 450 and 3GS models goes from 500 => 700 depending on storage.

So at 560 (including tax) is a steal for the phone.
[Nexus One General] JoshHart:
I gladly would pay $530 for this phone if I had it, but since I don't I started a new contract. If only I was patient enough to sell my G1 or MyTouch and put $500 together and buy it then, oh well, such are the ways of the phone whore.
[Nexus One General] Dap1:
I'm not sure, but I think you can use an AT&T USBConnect if you are interested in Data Only plans. Just remove the sim card from the USB and put it in your phone.
[Nexus One General] Dap1:
Buying the phone unlocked is a no-brainer. It is much cheaper and I'm sure tmo knows (and is pissed) about that.

My thread below explains how you can save $500+ by buying an unlocked phone as opposed to a subsidized one.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=612099
[Nexus One General] TitoXx:
I soo wanna get this phone/mini computer......I just traded my G1 last month and am on a Family plan....I see myself paying $530 and keeping my current plan rather then get the phone for less but pay more for the plan every month.
[Nexus One General] j.books:
The G1 was not as advanced when it came out. the original iPhone 3g came out 4 months before the G1 and I'm sorry, but it's a lot more advanced than the G1. in fact, the iPhone 3g still performs very well even by today's standards. I'm not an apple fanboy but it shows that phones can stay relevant for at least a year + if designed well, and I think the N1 is.
[Nexus One General] Jackasaur:
YUUP! I don't understand why people are all upset about the $530. It's stupid.
[Nexus One General] vivek_golecha:
Cyanogen tweeted it Some time back.....Nexus One is Now Rooted

http://android.modaco.com/content/g...82/30-12-1-1-superboot-rooting-the-nexus-one/

Isn't this great News..????

Starting the year with An Android which is already rooted.......

Wait for Jan 5th.....
[Nexus One General] FireSokar:
Would be nice if he posted how its done so the droid eris could get rooted
[Nexus One General] corepda:
thats indeed a very good news..we are also eagerly waiting for things to get started..lets see what they have it on 5th, they have called a press conference..
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
This is all going to start moving very fast after the 5th :cool:
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
I don't think the same rules apply to the Eris (or any non Nexus One phone). The way I understood it, the N1 is already technically rooted, but root access just isn't available to applications. The only way to access root is via ADB, as it's provided for developers, not normal consumers. The "root access" off the Modaco forums is really just circumventing the ADB limit and booting up with the device with superuser access, thus allowing apps to take advantage of it. Hope that makes sense... that's how I understand it at least.
[Nexus One General] jubeh:
:rolleyes:

Nexus One has ALWAYS been rooted...

The device is software/hardware unlocked if you buy it from Google (don't know if the one that'll be sold through T-Mobile will be locked).

All they did was add a su binary so that apps can share the phone's root access and a Superuser.apk so that users can allow/disallow permissions for apps.

I repeat, the phone was as rooted from factory as the ADP1/2 are.
[Nexus One General] paulobrien:
If only it was that easy eh Jubeh!

Out of the box it's not 'rooted'... it does have an engineering bootloader, but unless you make something to flash via that bootloader, it's nowhere near rooted. You can't just go and dump those 2 files on the devices and say 'done'!

P
[Nexus One General] Renarudo:
And it's be cause of that Engineering Bootloader that a new .img was able to be flashed.

Stericson suspects that the phone consumers get won't be shipped with the same SPL.
[Nexus One General] jubeh:
Hmm, I thought the device was gonna ship like the ADP1 where you were allowed to adb root and then adb remount.

The engineering bootloader does make things easier, but wouldn't the bootloader allow you to fastboot boot recovery, then you could toss in the files through a custom recovery and set the permissions?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] 93starletgt:
Hello, I bought my unlock code on ebay for my AT&T Pure, great deal for under $4.00. I am using it with T-mobile U.S.A. but I don't seem to get 3G. Is that normal? (or is it like the G1 issue that doesn't get 3G on AT&T?)

Besides that, Is the T-mobile's HTC TouchPro2 rom compatible with the Pure? If so, how can I CID unlock my pure in order to accept the rom?

Thanks
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Bruce Inman:
You may want to try some different radios for your 3G issue.

As far as your ROM, a TP2 ROM would not work on a TD2, If you want to flash a TD2 ROM, I suggest reading the flashing guide on the Wiki for instructions on Hard SPL.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] 93starletgt:
I see, but a touchpro2 rom won't work because I have to hard spl first? or because it is just no compatible? and also, where can I get a working radio for my 3g?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] player911:
You will never get T-Mobile 3G on a Pure. It lacks the radio spectrum. AT&T and TMobile use different 3G frequency bands.

You cannot use a rom built from another device. A Rhodium rom won't flash on your Topaz rom.

You have an AT&T Specific device built for use on AT&T's network. You can flash other compatible RADIOS if you unlock it (which won't magically give you Tmobile 3G), but you'll brick your phone if you flash the wrong rom on it.

Maybe you can sell the Pure on ebay or craiglist and buy a Tmobile Rhodium.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] 93starletgt:
"You can flash other compatible RADIOS if you unlock it (which won't magically give you Tmobile 3G), but you'll brick your phone if you flash the wrong rom on it."

so when you say that... is there a possibility that I can flash a compatible radio that wont brick my phone and get 3G?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] tangotango:
No radio flash will solve your problem. TMO 3G compatibility is a hardware issue, not software problem you can solve.

There are plenty of TD2 ROMs here, so you should have enough selection. Make sure you do HSPL first before try any ROM.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] dinakar407:
T mobile uses 3g 1700

t mobile uses 3g 1700 frequency and at&t uses 3g 850 or 3g 1900

htc pure only supports 3g 850 and 3g 1900
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] babs45242:
I am trying to understand what the difference is between the frequencies that are used for 3G data for AT&T vs carriers like TMobile and Cincinnati Bell Wireless (CBW) and the specs I see on GSMArena such as "3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100".

Phone from Cincinnati Bell and TMobile are compatible on both networks as far as 3G data is concerned but neither apparently work with AT&T (and visa-versa).

If AT&T uses 850 or 1900 then that fits with the specs I reference above. If T Mobile uses 1700/2100 and requires both bands to work then I get why the above specs don't work as 1700 is missing. I think Cincinnati Bell is also 1700/2100 and assuming it required both I would understand.

I have a Samsung Galaxy S (aka vibrant) from CBW that is listed on GSMArena as "3G Network HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100" and for which operates on CBWs network as 3G. CBWs website advertises the phone as running 900/2100 which fits the specs as well.

I tried using an AT&T phone with specs "3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100" which I see as a "super set" of the Samsungs but can not get 3G. Is it possible that AT&T does something to lock out the 900 and 2100 since it does not use them and that somehow they can be turned on so the phone will work with another network?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] viper2g1:
Please help, I was uninstalling some applications from my HTC PURE and had to restart the phone, when it was rebooting it hung at the ATT screen and there was small red text in the bottom left screen.

I had previously installed HardSPL 1.83 but relocked it via instructions in 2nd post because I'm still deciding if I wanna keep the phone and didn't wanna do anything for warrenty reasons.

I have the stock ROM and never installed anything except the HardSPL and the revert.

Please help me, I have tried to load the ATT Pure Stock/Shipped ROM I found here but everytime I try to in the bootloader mode it says either "no image file" or hangs at loading depending what I've tried to name the file. Also I've tried to run customruu.exe to install the stock ROM and also tried to install HardSPL 1.83 but it hangs at 0% and eventually wants to do recovery on the PC.

How do I fix this problem, and preferabbly get it back stock. I do have a warrenty, well unless I violated it by installing HardSPL then doing the revert.

Thanks
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Of course you hard reset?

Make sure your SD card is formatted to Fat32 and you may mant to try a different card, 2gb - 4gb.

What does your SPL say now in bootloader mode?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] viper2g1:
Yes I tried a hard reset. I can try another sd card the one I used was fat32 and 2gb. I believe it says 1.33 can't look now but I know it's not the same as an untouched pure.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] themasterhook2000:
Help!

You are not the only one who is having this issue. I am frustrated beyond frustrated. How are other people flashing their out of the box ATT Pures using the same exact steps but I can't? It's making no sense.

1. I turn off firewalls.

2. I've tried both usb and sd card boot, didnt work

3. I installed the enablerapi cab

Nothing works and I am having the same problem you are having...it stays on 0% forever and it doesnt even prompt me saying there is an error it just sits on 0% until I unplug it...

Help!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Are you trying to HSPL or flash a ROM?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] themasterhook2000:
Well

According to what i've read, you have to do Hard SPL before you flash a rom, so i've been trying to HardSPL and it doesn't work! I even tried to skip the step and just flash the rom and it doesnt work..

Now, I also have an ATT Tilt to and I JUST flashed a rom 30 mins ago, so it has nothing to do with firewalls or anything as far as my computer goes, I think its the phone, so what can I do?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
How to flash HSPL.

Its a good thing flashing the ROM didn't work, you'd be bricked.

For flashing HSPL, it seems that newer phones are having an issue.

Something may have been changed that is preventing the unlocker from working.

Do the following;

1. Hard Reset

Instructions:

- Soft reset with stylus

- Hold Vol up & Vol dwn simultaneously until white screen appears

- Following screen prompts, Press Vol up to confirm.

2. Go to bootloader mode.

Instructions:

- Turn off your device using the power button

- When the device is turned off, simultaneously press the Vol dwn + Power button

- Your device will startup in Bootloader mode

Should say SPL: 1.33 or something.

3. Sync your phone to your PC.

4. Install enablerapinew.cab

5. Unzip both Topaz_CustomRUU_v1.1.zip & SPL_183.zip to the same folder

6. Run the CustomRUU.exe

This process should install HSPL and now when you enter bootloader mode you should see something like SPL: 1.83 Olinex.

If so, you're ready to start flashing custom ROMs.

If not, please report all errors to the HSPL thread or PM Olipro.

**I take no responsibility for any loss of data or functionality of your device.**
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] themasterhook2000:
See, the problem with your instructions are...

1. You cannot soft reset with the stylus, I don't see a button anywhere on the phone ( ATT PURE not Diamond 2 )

2. Holding Vol up & Vol down simultaneously until white screen appears doesn't work. The only thing that works is when I hold Vol Down and the screen with the colors come up, not a white screen.

So i'm still lost. Thanks for your help regardless. I just really want to flash a new rom so I can stop using this stupid slow ATT rom. :(
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jdwilson:
So basically you are messing with your Pure and don't know how to soft reset?

Remove the stylus and in the groove for the stylus is a red dot, that is the red reset button. Insert the tip of the stylus in the red dot and push. Now the Pure will soft reset.

Probably should familiarize yourself with the device before you finish turning it into a brick!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] themasterhook2000:
Oh wow. That is so hidden.

On my Touch Pro 2 its right there on the side where you can see it, with words.

Anyway, Thank you very much, i'll try that.

Still, what about the Up and Down button volume button function so I can go into bootloader mode?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Now that you found the soft reset button.... follow my procedures.

Note- you have to hold the keys IMMEDIATELY after soft reset before the boot screen appears.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] themasterhook2000:
Ok.

Didn't work, I re-did the steps you listed 3 times over to make sure I was correct and the same results. I guess ATT has found a way to stop their phones from being unlocked.

Thank you for your help regardless.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
You should probably post over in the HSPL thread.

You'll get more help over there. There are many others having similar issues and there may be a fix over there.

FYI, when you get to the tri colored screen, that is where it shows what SPL you have currently.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drearystate:
Updating rom freeze

Hi, I don't post much if at all, normally you guys have it right on the button, this is my 3rd phone to run custom roms on but for some reason it just freezes on the "Updating ROM image on your PDA Phone..." screen and doesn't continue past, on my last 2 phones active sync worked well with updating to custom roms,seems like my Pure produces the same error after the attempt, its a communication error "ERROR [262] : UPDATE ERROR", now recovering from the error is not a issue, we all have familiarity in that area but I was wondering if it could be something as simple as the cable that was sent with my phone or if its possible to flash rom through sd card as opposed to using active sync?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Yes, you can flash through storage card, just rename the .nbh to TOPAIMG.nbh, Put in root of storage card and enter bootloader mode.

You have HSPL'd, right?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] arun.ramachandra:
I was just going through the thread. I have the same issue. i have place topaimg.nbh in the root of storage card and entered bootloade mode, it shows loading and is stuck at 0%.

HSPL is 1.83. Went through entire thread of HSPL but unfortunately didn't find any solution.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
Just to confirm, you have to name it exactly "TOPAIMG.nbh".

With all of the people that have tried all methods and still can't flash, something must have changed in the stock SPL.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] coldun187:
Hello people

Hello, did anybody found the way to flash HTC PURE , I have the same problem 0%

Thanks
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] linux2003:
same problems here

i have same problem with pure to.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] heldercouto:
From HTC site (HTC Pure support):

What is a Soft Reset and how is it performed?

A soft reset basically resets the memory structure in the handheld. This recovers the device from memory conflicts, corrupted system service chains (mainly due to attempting hacks), memory leaks, and system lockups due to the “Fatal Exception” program errors. Removing the battery from the device while it is still powered on is NOT a soft reset and can actually damage the device.

A Soft Reset is performed by:

Remove the Battery cover and the Stylus from the device.

Insert the tip of the stylus into the Reset hole located at the entry point of the stylus silo.

The device will reboot.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
No one asked about SR.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] urfavazn29:
same issue

I am having the same problem. Tried to flash on my sd card and on my computer. When I tried flashing through the card it was stuck on the loading screen in the bootloader. And on the computer it was stuck at 0% and then said there was an error. Does anybody know how to fix this!!??
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mister!:
Ok I was having the same issue as everyone else using HardSpl 2.51 on thier HTC Pure DT2 or Topaz. My Pure was freezing at 0% and the automatic flash would not work at all. I could not find an answer to this problem even after two days of searching threads. I even submitted a ticket.

So on the third day I took a risk and just strated trying things, if i bricked my phone I would just go into another contract with ATT and get a new phone.

Step 1

I copied and pasted the HardSpl 1.83 to my SD Card on my phone.

Step 2

With my phone "synced" and with "window mobile device" up and running on my computer, I clicked on "My Computer" then "my topaz" and then opened my SD Card on my phone....after that I ran the HardSpl from the phone.

Step 3

Once the program was up and running I clicked on automatic. My phone went into tri color mode (as it should). The program never shut down though. I took just a second for the tri color to come on line and then continued to click through the program as instructed, and BAM and it WORKED!

I hope this helps someone else so you don't waste time like I did.

:D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] muqaddas_dunyatv:
Dear you messed up the information, please explain i clearly I am facing flashing problem since 3 months ago and still surfing internet to find out the solution........

as you said in you step 2....you placed your hardspl file (which file by the way? .nbh or other?) on the SD card root through {my computer>topaz>SD Card etc.}.. then you said, you open that file through phone....

How you did that? please explain which file you open through your phone, are you mean to say you open .nbh or .exe file into your phone....?

please help me......