yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jkolner:
After installing the "Nu Era V2 WWE ROM" yesterday i have no problems to mention for now.

Battery is fine with Radio 2.12.50.02_2 and the ROM seems just as fast as the previous HG ROM's.

There's been some post about problems with the ROM when installing different .cab's, so here is my list of .cab's installed with Tom's Autoinstall:

_CHTEditor.v1.8.5.1.cab

_Co0kie.HomeTab_v1.8.5.cab

_JK_I.cab

_JK_II.cab

_JK_III.cab

_JK_IIII.cab

4 column Start menu.cab

ArcadeStar_v.1.31.CAB

Asterix&Obelix.cab

Black Task and Softkeybar.cab

BoingGLES.CAB

BsB Tweaks 1.6.cab

ChromeJewelClock.cab

CHT 1.8 Notifications rat_2665.cab

CHT 1.8 Original Notifications.cab

cleanRAM.cab

Colored Alarm icon.cab

Colored Calendar Tab.cab

DeviceInfo color.cab

Dialer & History Colored v1.cab

DINIK - Anastasia - CHT v1.0.cab

DINIK - Anastasia - Slider v1.3.cab

DINIK - Anastasia IconSet v1.5.cab

DINIK - Dialer v2.0 WM6.5.cab

DINIK - Settings v1.1.cab

DINIK Anastasia style Calc.cab

DINIK-Taskbar v1.5.cab

EndKey3.6.cab

Green Volume.cab

hd2Wobble_beta.CAB

Jumba.cab

JWMDIconChanger_v2.6b.CAB

Custom Tab Icons - Semi Trans Silder.cab

Mark all as read.CAB

MMTaskManager v1.1.100316.CAB

OnlineTVx_2.0.1_XDA_Setup.CAB

OpnMarket.cab

PileUp.cab

Power color.cab

RegistryMUI_p.ARM.CAB

Remove top curtian.cab

RescoExplorer.v.8.00.CAB

S2U2-2.41-VGA.cab

SIPChange.CAB

SlideIT4.1.0.3.cab

SonicRacing_WVGA_260.CAB

SONIC_109.CAB

SorryIMLate.CAB

Toggle switches v2.0.cab

tt7.918.9193.cab

WavesBattLine.CAB

White Music Controls.cab

Xtrakt.CAB
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BoneMo:
I think that 2.14 base is the problem...because when i tried rom based on 2.13 or 3.04 ROM every app can be installed with no bugs,problems etc
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] yatiqueteimporta:
help please with a 4x4 quick links stable solution?

Since I manage to have the rom

[Jul 18th Duttys Leo Nu Era V2 (Redemption) WWE]

work on my phone and my phone work with it (!)

I should say that I DID NOT HAVE ANY BUG WITH IT, isn't it magical!

No problem with the batteries, no problem calling (yes that is indeed a good thing for a phone!)

Even with Skype! (That is not so typical for a mobile phone!)

Now would anyone no a STABLE way to have 4x4 quick links on main page?

If it could go with a 4 columns start menu it would be all I need to have my HD2 being just perfect for me.

Right now I use a cab "isangelous StartMenu_Grid_4" for the 4 columns start menu and it works fine, just need 4x4 quick links on main page...

Anyone would help please with a 4x4 quick links stable solution?

:):):):):):):):):)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
i use Co0kies Home Tab mod. it will do what you want. dont forget to download the editor also. cheers!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
since your in the market for feedback, i hope you dont revert back to 23569. i never really liked it. nothing definitive i could put my finger on and tell you about, just a feeling. i like this rom much better, and since i dont use the lockscreen, the bug doesnt bother me any :) anyway, thanx for your hard work. still lovin your roms :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Thanks bro I will create a poll for choice in builds and lockscreen
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
@dutty... starting with hg4.4, your rome would not allow ansi coded .reg text files. they had to be sent to a pc, opened in notepad, and saved as with unicode formatting. almost every one of your previous roms would allow regular ansi reg files, even when the other cooks roms wouldnt. im betting its a flag in the registry. hope this helps...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I will see if I can input this back in:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] turborider:
yes the lock is totally bad m8,i recieved 5 call from my friends saying i call them lol but i did not it was unlocked by itself and everytime i moved it call plp i always thought it was locked:rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Yes it seems to be a too sensitive probably need some registry editing
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BoneMo:
base rom

is it possible to change base rom to another one for better apps compatibility... i have good experince with 2.13 or 3.04 but really bad experience with 2.14
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] erez10:
strange problem with phone calls

first i'd like to thank Dutty for making our hd2 live longer with us (probably shorter for the device itself )

i've installed your rom version Nu era v2 wwe os 5.2.23121, radio 2.12.50.02_2

my problem - every few calls, the voice become noisy and sounds like aliens talking. pressing the end key seems to stop the call, yet on the next call the phone freezes.

i made two hard resets since the first time i've noticed the problem, and tried it before installing apps. the problem remains.

is it a radio problem ? any other idea

with appreciation

erez
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zoth:
Did you task29 before the Rom? Try another radio, radio's vary from where your located. Play around with diff. versions. My perfect radio is the one you have (in my location atleast).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] starbucks2010:
Can you please give an answer?

Thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] yatiqueteimporta:
Co0kie's Home Tab v1.8.5 works well on the good rom

thanks for the tip !

"[19-Jun-2010] Co0kie's Home Tab v1.8.5" works perfectly !

just a question, why should I dowload "the editor", what for? is it the way to chang the "start" page into a 4 columns one ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BoneMo:
its cookie hometab settings editor...its great because you can set up hometab without entering registry

for four columns look here http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4737865
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] rikiau123:
dove trovo il link per la versione italiana della v2?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mskip:
This is an english speaking forum so please post your questions in english only.

In answer to your quesstion im sure dutty will get around to the italian version eventually since he bought one out for v1. Just keep checking.

Mark.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BenG7:
Can it be installed onto Touch HD?

Hi everyone

please don't shout: just wondered whether Redemption can be installed on a mere Touch HD - has anyone one tried yet - any issues ?

tahnks a lot

best regards
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] oedsdemeer:
Lockscreen sens

Dutty, I looked in the regfiles, but there are no parameters to change the sensitivity (i believe):

Alpha 60

DIBSectonBitCount 32

PBannerPos 510

TitleBarAlpha 160

Greetz,

Btw. the ERA V2 is the fastest and the least battery consuming rom till now!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BoneMo:
i think not when its not the same device... it can be installed when you find it in HTC Touch HD rom development thread
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
co0kies home tab mod is very powerful, flexible and configurable. what you see after installing is but a drop in the bucket to its true potential. the editor allows you to unlock and use its many features.

after installing the chteditor, run it the first time and tap MENU/EXPORT and save the default settings to a file. call it CHTDEFAULT if you like. then play, play, play. try the different features to see what they do. read the thread for suggestions. if you mess it up, just import the default settings file you saved and your back to the beginning. then play some more. its like getting a whole new phone again.

enjoy!

edit: also, from the main manila/sense screen you can tap MENU/EDIT HOME LAYOUT and add/remove/change/reposition the elements. when you have it to your liking, save the layout with the export feature if the chteditor, but use a different filename. if you ever lose your settings, you can import them again easily :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
Battery drain fixed on my HD2

greetings all... i also experienced alarming battery drain on nu era v2, using the radio dutty recommended on hg v4.4. but he's in the UK, and i'm in the US. he did mentiin it is location dependent in the rom descrip :)

i flashed the newest tmous radio, 2.09.50.29_2 earlier this morning and hard reset, even tho it technically wasnt necessary. you can find its download link in the hd2 radio thread, which can be found on the wiki page or in the sticky rollup thread at the top of the hd2 develipment forum.

the first thing i noticed was how quickly it charged! i was even in HSDPA mode! and now its just barely sipping the elec from the battery :D

if youre a US user experiencing battery drain from a different radio, give this one a try. i'm very pleased with this rom/radio so far..

THANKS DUTTY!!!

regards
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zkid2010:
Glad it's working out for you. In contrast, I've had no battery issues, but rather superior battery life using dutty's nu v2 (yes, using the stock radio in my sig).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Glad you find your hg radio which is working for you
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] BoneMo:
question

will your rom V3 have same base rom 2.14 or you are planning any change ??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nicola2:
the Italian version of the new V2 is not present in donloading ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
It will be same Build as no issues seen for all langauges.

Only decision is decide on which build to use for v3

COM3 / COM5
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I only uploaded WWE version to test before uploading roms which now all bug reported is fixed but no eta on roms yet.

com2 has reported rock solid so the fixes will be in that one shpuld make com2 complete
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] yatiqueteimporta:
problem with volume up during a call... did I or did'nt I do what was to be done ?

HI Dutty,

everything was perfect with your rom

Duttys_Leo_Sense_2.5_5.21909.5.0.93_2.14_Nu_Era_576MB_V2_WWE

until I started calling today,

I moved the volume button up while calling.... And everything freezed

had to reset

I tried once more, and again.

4 times

I thought it could be because of that nice "cookie home tab" thing and it's chteditor, or because of any application...

so just to be sure not to bother for something I would have done...

I task29 my HD2 (and lost all that nice work I had done to make it mine :) )

and I re installed the rom

did the hard reset and everything...

but ...

it did the same twice..

what can I do about it?

can this be because of my rom radio? (right now it says I have radio 2.06.51.07)

If It is, which one sould I put, I in france with Orange.

the last official one I had that did work was Leo_HTC_FRA_1.66.406.1 (25/01/2010) with radio 2.06.51.07 and manila 2.5.19211619.0

thanks for your help.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] yatiqueteimporta:
just install the Leo_RADIO SomethingWicked was talking about in previous page, good

ok ok ok

I'm just too bad to try

just install the Leo_RADIO_15.36.50.07U_2.09.50.29_2 (from TMOUS_2.11)

SomethingWicked was talking about in previous page and now the problem is gone .... I should buy glasses I guess, but what is the radio you would advice for France anyway?

thank and sorry to be a "junior member" :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
hi bro, the ROM uses 2.14 base so with their drivers the ROM.need radio .50 not .51 you can check the radio thread for other options but each radio will work different, try the 2.08.50 first then go up in version good luck
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] webpatrick:
Waiting for the NL version of the COM3 ROM, haven't seen V1 neither, hope V2 NL will be released soon.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] MyRho:
downloaded the german version several times now but I can't expand the files... tried with winrar and ZipX - "unknown method" :-(((
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] 70th:
Try 7zip, then right click on file, choose 7zip and choose extract files.

I had the same problem
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] starbucks2010:
Hello and sorry to bother you again but i didn't got an answer to my question: which one from the 2 versions of Nu Era V2 should I use on my HD2 EE: 5.2.21909 or 5.2.23121?

Now I have HG 4.4 WWE with HSPL 2.08 and Radio 2.12.50.02_2.

One more question please: should I re-flash the Radio before flashing Nu Era V2 or the previous Radio remains even after flashing with Nu Era V2.

Thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] mb:
So, I formatted my 16GB card IN THE PHONE which solved the big battery drain... for a bit.

Now SERVICES.EXE is absolutely hammering the CPU and causing another drain on the battery and making the phone stutter to the point where it's unusable.

There are no "resident apps" (eg. Voice Command, Phone Weaver, MagiCall) installed to the Storage Card either.

Any ideas?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] thehustler:
You can use either of them depending on which you like more. You dont need to flash teh radio again. The old radio will remain as it is.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] apaseall:
I note on the first page that you suggest not installing certain types of applications.

I tried reading through some of this thread but could not find what I was looking for.

I would like to know what if any of the functions present in:

BandSwitch.V2.9.CAB,

WMLongLife-0.66-0302.cab,

BsB Tweaks 1.6.cab and

S2U2

are already present in:

Duttys_Leo_Sense_2.5_5.21909.5.0.93_2.14_Nu_Era_576MB_V2_WWE.

Is there some documentation somewhere that highlights what tweaks are already present or describe what options like 3G in comms manager does?

I am interested in the concept of conservation of battery by such things as;

closing connections used for emails, using low radio power when wifi is present etc.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] metinola:
How can i remove the title clock icon
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zoth:
Strange:

Playing with rigntones this morning then the phone hangs. So I reset the phone using the reset button. After reboot sense will not load.

Phone reads sense did not load, tap here to try again. I did and nothing. tried batt of, sim off and several soft reset nothing happens.

The phone only loaded sense after a hard reset. Of course I lost verything.

What was that about? any ideas ? I just don't want it to happen again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Duttys Leo Nu Era V3 (Redemption) |EN|DE|SV|FR|IT|NL|ES|NO|PT|DA| 576MB
Reverted to COM5 5.2.23569.5.5.0 to finalise build with fixes.
The COM3 will be only available to testers or supporter of my ROM for testing Purposes.
COM2 with fixes for all languages will be uploaded so with COM5
Please give me sometime to finalise each COM versions and upload them.
Fixed .tif files association in ROM
Fixed First and Last name saved
Fixed VIP Recieving Sound Notification in HTC messaging
Default Lockscreen included
Remove Tom Auto install
Added XDA UC_NET_v0.7 for Auto install see here for instructions:
Thanks to ahirshfield for recommeding it and serfer222 for great work.
[URL]http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=709557[/URL]
Added RegEdit in ROM with .reg file associations

[B]Things to Know how about my ROMs:[/B]
HSPL 1.66 Minimun recommended
Radio 2.10 / 2.11 / 2.12 NEEDED for ROM
Added Registry cab in Extras Folder for RSS home when not working.
No Radio is included in these releases:
Correct radio needed to enabled 576 ram for NON-T-Mous HD2 users.
HD2 Radios can be found here:
[URL]http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2199[/URL]
Updated all languages to 576mb enabled
All Languages are made equally.
OBOE Manila will be my ROM Core for Future ROMs
My ROMs are based on Stock Philosophy which users can modify afterwards.
ROMs are tweaked to maximum performance so please test ROM first before customising.
LongPress Send key opens up CMBandSwitching easy to change 3G/GSM
Please hard reset after flashing or do a mtty before flashing the Rom.
7z911.exe to extract folder link below:
[URL]http://en.sourceforge.jp/projects/sf....11/7z911.exe/[/URL]
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jorge_mota:
Hi all, im new here sorry but i cant find the link to download this rom can i get some help ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
http://htcpedia.com/soft

here :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zoth:
Downloading V3 can't wait for V8:)... Thanks for you hard work Sir, hope the kids are behaving now.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] jorge_mota:
sorry again but how do i change the language?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] zoth:
Great release

Great release Sir, I miss the lock slider of V2 was there a problem with it or just need a change. I had never encoutered the over reactive of the lock slider. So for that said I was wondering how can I apply the lock slider of V2 to V3. Appreciate whatever you can. Thanks in advance.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] 1051985:
Nice to see you here.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] HTCHDHK:
hi dutty, can i install chainfire driver if using your roms?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Stuffx:
Where to download the new V3 from 21.july?

Can't see the download-link... :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] keby:
Go!

http://htcpedia.com/soft
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Stuffx:
Thx, but there is only the WWE version...i need the German (DE) one :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] pharmacist:
Hi

Can any one Re-upload the V3 to other site than megaupload
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] rikiau123:
where is the link for italian rom v3?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Hey bro you can get it here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=705313
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I will be uploading over the next couple days COM2 V3 Final ROMs for now since its very stable with one bug fixes from com3 and the included fix with manila sim contact import
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] apaseall:
First installed:

Duttys_Leo_Sense_2.5_5.21909.5.0.93_2.14_Nu_Era_576MB_V2_WWE

Then installed:

Duttys_Leo_Sense_2.5_5.23569.5.5.0_2.14_Nu_Era_576MB_V3_WWE

Comments:

I was using stock and had a number of items installed like cosmetic changes and apps.

When I installed V2 I reduced the number of items due to lockups.

One of the items i had to remove was S2U2 which i really liked because i could see without unlocking my phone if i had emails or texts waiting for me.

Happy(ish) with my selection I saw the update to V3.

With V3 quite a number of items that were working fine with V2 cause lockups or reset loops.

Basically I am going through the items that I did have one by one and hard resetting when things go pear shaped. When I find one I ask myself the hard question of if I really need that item.

Some of the items that worked in V2 but not V3:

tcmdphone.cab

Volumex.CAB

strangely enough Touch X Transparent Clock.cab only fails to lockup when the animated wallpaper is set to a my device wallpaper that is static (which is fine because i like static wallpapers).

indeed all of the cosmetic items make items on the home screen transparent.

if there is a .reg file i could make to turn these items transparent i would love to know because then i could do likewise to the new rss feed bar :)

that an turning off the stupid clock flicking when i go to the home page.

The soft reset option of Anastasia EndKey v4.0 English.cab causes a lockup.

some items that state on screen that they require reset cause the phone to loop a couple of times before settling down.

why am i posting this ?

well i do appreciate the hard work you are putting into this.

plus i like the stuff now appearing at the bottom of the screen.

great to use in say the explorer.

i love the idea of xda_uc_net but with all these lockups i have given up on it at the moment.

fyi i am flashing your roms with ROMUpdateUtility.exe after using Task29 provided by doloop.exe.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vastelectron:
Hi what is your device storage space?

Hi, I have the T-mobile HD2 and I have a quick question about total storage if you changed your ROM to Nu Era V3

For mine it shows

Total storage = 741.28 MB

Used storage = 34.42 MB

Free storage = 706.86 MB

Total program = 456.60 MB

Used program = 171.63 MB

Free program = 284.97 MB

Is this simliar to what you have? is this normal or maybe I need to do task 29? I did a hard reset after flashing.

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] benveq:
thanks a lot chief!! you are the number one! also in 23128 build reply issue is solved.just you need is to change htmlnote.dll so u can take it working one from 23121 build and tadaa ( thanks to hd2owner for his help )
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gboros:
Some people said that installing by a cab the lockscreen is laggy, what doesn't happen when cooked in. I'm using v2 right now (great by the way) and can't test it, but if someone has any experience and could share it would be nice.

Thanks!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] AutoMat06:
Hi Dutty,

Thanks for your very great Job.

I just installed the V3 for France (Duttys_Leo_Sense_2.5_5.21908.5.0.93_2.14_Nu_Era_576MB_V3_FRA) but it looks like neither XDA UC_NET nor Tom Auto install are present.

Did I miss something????

Thanks
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] apaseall:
i seem to have come to the conclusion that i cannot install any visual mods to v3.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
It seems the xda-uc package is for wwe and I need to edit some registry,

but quiick work around is to go to windows, look for startup folder and click on xda uc link this will add it to start menu there you can use it now
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] gregman26:
Thx Dutty !! ;) I test FR Rom
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] starbucks2010:
hello,

is difficult for me to understand the thing with COM2, COM3 and COM5. can somebody point me which build can i use on my HD2 EEU: Nu Era V3 21908 or 23569?

thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] crbandrlb:
ERROR download links

Your download links have error invalid project !!!

How can I download your rom
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lufeig:
please read here.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] lufeig:
http://htcpedia.com/soft
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] giacomone:
where is the best com ?

i think com5 , right ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nerlim:
sorry, I can not find the link of the Rom in Italian,even htc pedia.

can you help?:confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Teoror:
www.htcpedia.com/soft
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] nerlim:
thanks:):) but no link 6.5.x in Italian!:confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Teoror:
not uploaded yet.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Giganten79:
Hello Duttythroy

How does it go with your V3 SWE 23569 Rom??

Any ETA soon?

Is this the OBOE manila version with the RSS reader on manila home?

Waiting for your reply!

Br!

Giganten79 ;-)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] heestp:
ETA dutch

Dear god of rom,

If you give any ETA's? please let me know when the Dutch version is on.

Im really looking forward, you're the best rom maker.

thanks in advance!

Heestp
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I have requested these files before i can finish 3 langauges I will need to finish com2?

I will be focusing on com3 builds, so com2 all languages will be uploaded.

I'm still missing marketplace full mui , so these languages will be delayed until someone post them:

here are the instructions again;

http://htcpedia.com/forum/showpost.p...postcount=5781

spa

nld

ptg

send the files to duttythroy@hotmail.com so I can finalise these languages for COM2, COM3 for all languages will follow
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Teoror:
By god! tell me how to do it and ill try! i have a flash addiction to feed! i use SVE version but what the heck...ill do anything to speed things up ;)