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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] thierry2064:
No specific button, I have Action Screen triggered by the Home hard button, having 6 more shortcuts is valuable, as there is room for it.

For bluetooth, it may not be related to rom, it works afer USB sync:)

Is there a way to dispay favorite contacts in the ROM ? Or people use a third party app ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mccune:
Not by default. You might take a look at LaunchPad by Panoramic HERE

At the moment it's not the fastest launcher but it sure has some potential form me. I've done the Dutch translation for the program so I did not need to pay for it. But it's worth taking a look for sure!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mccune:
I'm planning on adding a small config script for the ActionScreen into r3.1.

Since I'm using PocketInformant I currently have the following options:

New Calendar:

Use default

Use PocketInformant installed on device

Use PocketInformant installed on Storage Card

New Task:

Use default

Use PocketInformant installed on device

Use PocketInformant installed on Storage Card

I'm also planning on using a slightly different skin.

Let me know what you think...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
haven't had any updates for a while, hopefully this means a release is close??
[Hero, G2 Touch General] theodore80:
The official statement is 1st half 2010. Some optimistic people talked about a Christmas (present) release.. Some others talk about the first weeks of January while others about April.. Nobody actually knows although everybody is anticipating this update..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] choccy31:
Feb on T-Mobile! ;-)

Provided it's out normally in Jan!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cyberkid2002:
@Choccy31... what makes you think it's going to be released in Jan?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
he said 'provided'
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Quazar0:
No rumors, probably first quarter of next year, since the sprint hero is estimated the first half of next year. The GSM hero owners will get it sooner then the sprint hero owners.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mancsoulja:
we just have to wait init lol first quater is only 3 months so its not like its gunna be 4eva :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] GXFX:
Guys , CES is coming ...

Maybe there ?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cyberkid2002:
is it possible that the Hero update is being held back due to the fact that Google have yet to officially release Android 2.1. Surely HTC would not be able to bring it out until this has officially been unveiled?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
The Milestone/Motorola Droid shipped with 2.0 before it was "officially" released.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mancsoulja:
I think "2.1" is just 2.0 with htc extras isnt it? :confused:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Quazar0:
That doesn't really make sense because HTC adds features to the android version its using. They didnt chang 1.5 to 1.6 when they put sense on it. So why would they do the same for 2.1? I think 2.1 is android 2.1 with sense on top.

Then again you may be right!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
no, android 2.1 is from google as all general android updates. htc sense is just an add on which is done by htc.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] pauliusba:
It's not an addon. It's modifications of original Android source in many levels. Sense UI isn't something that sits on top of Android.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Quazar0:
Yeah in terms of the keyboard and other things that are unchangable, but you can switch off the sense homescreen and just use the ordinary android one can't you?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] DaanJordaan:
If you want you can follow htc on twitter:D

http://twitter.com/Htc
[Hero, G2 Touch General] pauliusba:
It's called HTC Home and is just a part of SenseUI. Turning it of doesn't turn off SenseUI.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes i know. i didn't mean "add-on" literally. :) i just wanted to make clear that HTC doesn't put out new Android Versions.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Sausageman:
Interesting article suggesting that Spotify might be included in Android 2.1, with google stumping up some of the subsription fees. Possible announcement of something or nothing tomorrow...

http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/04/google-spotify-launch-android-nexus-one/
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
well normally i really prefer HTC devices and i really love HTC Sense too. But if HTC always takes this long to give us Android updates, this might change. Maybe having an NexusOne is better after all, because of the faster updates.

I'm thankful that HTC wants to update directly to 2.1 instead of 1,6->2.0->2.1, but slowly it's getting frustrating since there are more and more apps which are not supporting 1.5....
[Hero, G2 Touch General] farukb:
no problem then..i'm just waiting for his next post:cool:..i'll soon get a mod on his back;)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
do you realize that you are actually even MORE obsessed than the people you try to criticize? i mean you have been banned like 3 times, and you still continue creating fake accounts and coming back. don't YOU have anything better to do than revisiting xda devs all the time? you know, like watching the moon or something, i heard that you might like that...it's really sad to see how you try to teach people not to waste their time, but at the same time you do the exact same thing. even worse: you keep coming back to an xda-dev message board and post off-topic stuff. that's ridiculous.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
you're an arrogant twat, which is why you think its fun to have a go. i dont know what youre attempting to achieve here, but youre obviously failing repeatedly, which is why you keep showing up under new ids, just to eat more FAILcake

still, you have a good point about not allowing some craphead like htc to piss around with you, which is why i sold my stupid hero last week in protest, and recommend everyone else does the same. once everyone stops buying htcs new phones they will get a reminder of who pays their bills. i think they also need a reminder of how they got big in the first place, i.e. word of mouth/the net. when we start spreading it around that they are really a crap company with crap phones, i think they will think twice about messing us about in future.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] yozgatg:
official HTC announcement: http://www.whizpr.nl/persberichten/6679 (it's in Dutch) made by the Regional Director HTC Benelux

Android 2.1 coming to our devices in mid-March :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
hmm i'm wondering why all official statements with real dates come from "exotic" HTC people like HTC Benelux. Isn't there some kind of HTC Europe which could give a real official statement.

Because a lot of times smaller HTC departments mention something, which is then revised again at a later point by a higher ranking spokesman.

Also when HTC says "mid-March" it's more like beginning of April in the best case.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
Stop hating and start living!

Find something you like and hang to it...in the process leave us alone.

Once again news from dubious sources...at this moment all i want is a leaked rom for the cooks to work with.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] farukb:
i sent a mod at him...won't take too log before he's banned

edit:user banned...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] DaanJordaan:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=631022
[Hero, G2 Touch General] farukb:
well this is great...we did wait for it,but i believe it will be worth it...since sense ui is a killer..and if 2.1 is faster and better as they say it is...this will be great
[Hero, G2 Touch General] BrianDigital:
you mean ecliar/ froyo,
[Hero, G2 Touch General] M3nti0n:
Hey people,

I've recently mailed HTC and got an answer on this, not realy specific but its an answer.

here it is:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Geachte xxxx xxxxxxx,

Hartelijk dank voor uw email.

Wij verwachten deze update een dezer dagen, maar kunnen hier nog geen datum aanplakken daar wij hier nog geen offiele melding over hebben gehad.

De statement van HTC is dan ook de volgende:

"We understand that now that a phone running Android OS 2.1 is available that you are excited to get an update for your Hero. We are still hard at work building Sense for this new version but we expect to have the upgrade finished and ready to go soon. Please understand that it takes time to customize any Android version to ensure you have the intuitive experience Sense provides, and we hope you can be patient for just a little while longer."

Vriendelijke groet,

xxxxxx x x

HTC

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Dear xxxx xxxxxxx,

Thank you for your email.

We expect to update one of these days, but no date can still be post up there, we still had no official notification about it.

The statement from HTC is the following:

"We understand that now that a phone running Android OS 2.1 is available that you are excited to get an update for your Hero. We are still hard at work building Sense for this new version but we expect to have the upgrade finished and ready to go soon. Please understand that it takes time to customize any Android version to ensure you have the intuitive experience Sense provides, and we hope you can be patient for just a little while longer."

With friendly greetings,

xxxxxx x x

HTC

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So the update will come, it will be 2.1, and i just am waiting for another mail back with if the time will be an week, month, of even longer, i hope to get an mail back soon, i've send it today to htc customer support center.

Hope u now know enough till i have an new mail, i will post it again in this thread.

Greets,
[Hero, G2 Touch General] DSF:
Got this on 12 february:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Quazar0:
Its coming out this month sometime.

http://www.htcsource.com/2010/01/htc-hero-android-2-1-update-scheduled-for-march/

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/09/htc-hero-update-to-android-2-1-pegged-for-mid-march/
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
It would be really nice if new posters to this thread actually took the time to *read* it before posting old news! :rolleyes:

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
HTC announced an event in Austin on their twitter, that would fall on the 15th of March (which was rumoured release date for 2.1).

I wonder if they will announce it there?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Thomas.A:
To keep this thread alive:

Swedroid.se postet a story yesterday with a picture stating that April would be the month for Hero. And again: Rumors!!

http://www.swedroid.se/android-2-1-uppdatering-for-htc-hero-framskjuten-till-april-rykten
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nukleuzN:
I also got this email today from HTC Support:

I hope that I allready have my HTC Desire by then... But I'm just a little pissed at HTC now (tired of waiting) so I'm not sure whether I will choose them as a supplier for my next mobile or not.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Why is it so hard for HTC to just officially announce a final release date already?

Jesus... I mean, I'm not angry at them for taking long for the update, but it really shouldn't be hard for them to announce it now. They already have adjusted Sense to Android 2.1. Even if they want to wait until the new handsets are out.... in any case they should have a pretty accurate plan on when they will release this thing.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Well, you're helping them. Don't buy a Desire. not until you got your Hero Software upgrade. I mean, if people just buy new phones anyway why should they actually update the Hero or future phones for that matter? They'll just delay update releases until nobody cares anymore.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Psycho77:
I believe every carrier will release 2.1 at different dates, even if they annonce a fix date, nobody will get it at the same time.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Well I don't care about the carriers. I bought the phone from HTC without contract. They will release an update for these nonbranded Heros on their website themselves, so at least there it's totally their own decision.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rogershroed1991:
I'm pretty sure they'll never release it, and if they do it will be so far in the future that it would be like releasing an update for the Touch Diamond today. Might as well just pick a rom from here if you really need 2.1.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
No offense to the devs on here but I need a working ROM, not some mixture of stuff that might work or might not. I haven't found a ROM that has what I need...

Another thing: I don't want to void my warranty.

Anyway, they'll release it until summer. That's according to their official statements, I just want to know when exactly.

Don't get me wrong, I like my Hero and I'm mostly happy with 1.5. But it has some bugs (no proper selection of text in the browser) and lacks some features (like VPN and other system-level stuff) and since we've seen the new Sense 2.1 officially showcased, there really shouldn't be much holding them up except for economic decisions. If they want to let us wait longer that's fine, but I just want to know when I can expect an update.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rogershroed1991:
I'm just using the stock 1.5 because I don't really have any pressing need for 2.1, but out of all the 2.1 roms you've tried they've all had bugs?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
Nono ;) As I said, main reason for not using them is because I don't want to lose my warranty. But the thing is, all the new roms seem to have some bugs, according to their descriptions. Or they lack a feature I'd like to have. I haven't found one that looks appealing to me.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] p13:
All i can say is i'm running behero 1.2.6 and everything works like a charm. Only MMS is a slight workaround but everything needed is included. I don't use MMS so i could care less.

The new 2.1 based roms are a LOT faster than the old 1.5 based roms. It's such a difference even that comparing the two seems pointless.

The only problem i've had with the early behero builds was battery drain but that seems to have gone the way of the dodo now.

Kr,

-Kevin
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cbailey:
Is wifi working correctly on the latest 2.1 builds? If so, which rom have you decided to use?

regards.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] p13:
Hi,

I run behero 1.2.6. Wifi works, BT (+audio) works, gps works, market works ... everything just works.

It's very fast and the new sense is a lot nicer to use. The settings menu has been overhauled completely, it's very nice and you can now also pinch or hit home twice to get sort of an "expose" like effect to see all your homescreens.

This phone now betters my iphone (3G) in responsiveness and smoothness. Browsing is also a lot faster, switching between tasks is instant, etc, etc.

I did have problems with battery drain but the latest version seems to have fixed it. I've also flashed the latest radio.

Hope i've answered your questions.

Kr,

-Kevin
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rogershroed1991:
What's wrong with the MMS? Does it not work at all?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nukleuzN:
Well, if you read these two posts

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5833863&postcount=196

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5834833&postcount=197

then you will find emails where HTC informs us that the upgrade will be released in April.

Looking forward to it - even if I allready gets my Desire by then! :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] olafos:
No the Emails are not "official", meaning that someone at the support team "expects" them to arrive in April. For every such mail there are 1000 just saying "wee have no idea". They always say "we expect" etc. There were such mails 2 months ago saying, the expect the update in February, then March. \it just doesn't say anything about reality.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] vegetaleb:
If they release the 2.1 OS for Hero it will slow down the sales of the brand new Legend because some people tend to think '' hey why pay the Legend 100$ more if the Hero can get the same OS?''

So the Hero will have the upgrade but not before ending April to May giving the Legend a good start. Anyway if you read the many reviews of the Legend you will see ''first HTC Android to have Sense with 2.1'' so it's a temporary marketing positioning.

Unless Heros devs can ROOT the Legend to rip the ROM from it... :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] fallos:
I dont thinks so .. will see after 15.03 ... for me : i want Legend not because 2.1 ! i want it because metal case!

so if they update hero for 2.1 before starting selling Legend , many will try it ... they love it! and then --- Legend( metal, 600mhz ,ram ,led, sensor.... )

=)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rogershroed1991:
And "expects them to arrive in April" roughly translates into "may arrive sometime before the Legend is already outdated, or sometime after that."
[Hero, G2 Touch General] RichardFHTC:
Will we ever get it

http://bit.ly/cYEh2C

Well that was until I read a piece on Swedroid, where a member of the public received a reply from HTC Sweden that says the Android 2.1 release is not “set in stone” and expect it “around April”. Maybe there are different release schedules depending on region, but here’s where I start to get pessimistic.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kadison:
Pretty much
[Hero, G2 Touch General] VaKo:
I really can't see myself buying a HTC Android handset again, the Hero is a nice phone and I do like it, but this constant run around with updates is just annoying, especially when I went out of my way to get the unlocked version.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] shenye:
Thing is guys, theres been leaks for so many 2.1 ROMs for future phones, but not a single one for Hero? suspicious? maybe there wont even be a hero rom..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
I know everyone's getting pessimistic about the release, and it's weak that HTC hasn't given us a date, but I'm still quite sure the release is coming. Eclair was only released 2 months ago, so I think everyone's getting their panties in a twist a little prematurely. HTC has at least two eclair phones about to hit the market, so it's totally understandable that they would be focusing on those devices. It's been publicly announced that the tattoo is getting eclair, so just sit tight, we'll get ours.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] alias_neo:
Perspective

I think people need to put things into perspective.

If I was getting something comparable to an AOSP ROM on my HTC phone and it was taking this long to update, sure I'd be pissed, but to be honest, what we're getting is not comparable to an AOSP ROM.

As far as I'm concerned, the HTC modifications make these phones what they are, in terms of their useability, it's fair enough to argue that any app on the market can do something comparable to the HTC stuff, but looking at the HTC 1.5 alongside AOSP 1.5, and then again, even the 2.1 leaks compared to AOSP, you know you are getting something really nice.

And what's great, if you don't like any part of it, who cares? Get rid of it and replace it, it's fair enough complaining, but this is a wait I'm happy for.

When I had an iPhone I remember dreading every update because all it was going to do it break Jailbreak and maybe unlock.

All I can get out of updates for this is more stuff to make the phone do what it does even better.

Sure I don't want to wait, but looking at what I have seen of HTCs work from my short time working on custom ROM(s), it'll be worth the wait.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] brochs:
Totaly agree with you on this. I guess I will go for Google Phone when coming out. Probably it will be out before HTC manage to put up 2.1. I like HTC phones, but updates are too slow, Google phone is made by HTC, but not depending on HTC for software. And HTC on Twiter is not giving any usefull information.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mantracom:
Htc and Google are taking too long and dragging their heels on this. There have been rumours about 2.0/ 2.1 since early dec ( Maybe earlier) and HTC even posted on their twitter thread that it would be available by end 2009 but here we are, still waiting. They can launch new phones (Moto Droid) with 2.0+ but obviously do not care enough about their loyal existing users to make it available for them.

Remember this HTC and Google- Loyalty must be earnt. loyal users will soon change their allegences if you mess them about like this, just look what has happened to Windows Phone.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] bjg222:
I agree. When I was looking to get a new phone two months ago, I was debating between getting the Hero and waiting for an Android phone on AT&T. I got the Hero because I figured I'd be waiting months for a phone on AT&T and the Andriod 2.1 announcement. At this rate, AT&T might actually have an Android phone before HTC releases 2.1!

But the Droid's not made by HTC...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mancsoulja:
the droid dosent have sence either, thats what we are waiting for, for htc to port sence to 2.0 :rolleyes:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] illogic6:
This is my main problem too. I'm also frustrated that my friend with a G1 is running a more recent version of Android while I have this supposedly higher-end phone running 1.5.

If I would have just stuck with my G1, I'd have Google Nav. :mad:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Alex~:
If HTC are going to be this slow with each update then I certainly won't be bothering with another HTC phone in the future.

I love Android, but if HTC aren't going to support their flagship Android phone properly then I'm sure people will look around for alternatives when it's time to upgrade.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
And will other brands be delivering updates faster?Most wont even deliver updates at all...and even worst no community to support custom ROM´s.

Remenber that Sense UI is build deep within Android...not just a simple Plug-in.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
You mean like the Samsung Galaxy? (See here)

HTC will deliver - it just requires a bit of patience. Personally, I'm betting on the end of this month. Remember that HTC did deliver Sense to the Magic, so they have a pretty good track record on making good with their promises.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
i also think that end of this month or beginning of february should be realistic.

about other manufacturers not updating at all: nobody is gonna buy another device from them, when they realise that you'll get all updates on google phones and some updates on HTC Phones.

So, in the end this is just another way to keep your customers satisfied. They will still buy the next great device to get higher resolution and so on, but as a company you can keep them satisfied with firmware updates until they get a new device. And that should be the most important thing, because otherwise you'll lose them.

So thinking:"the companies can't make anymore money out of current customers, why bother with FW updates" is plain stupid and especially for rapidly evolving OS like Android not providing updates is a No-Go. Every company should be interested to draw the same customer in the next time he buys a new smartphone, but this only works if you provide good support to your customers.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
google releasing updates for the nexus one for its entire life should hopefully give encouragement to htc to do the same,

it all depends on whether people make it clear enough that they bought the nexus partly for the expected future support.

definitely as soon as the nexus one gets its first update and htc *don't* also release it for the hero, i will be getting a nexus and ditching the hero.

obviously though it will be harder for htc to support several phones rather than one, so this is less likely to happen in reality. it would be good if they released less phones and concentrated support on one good model for about 3-5 years. again unlikely, but would be a nice move.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes, i think HTC will have problems keeping up especially with their HTC Sense customization. I'm not expecting to see android 3.0 on the HTC Hero, but all minor 2.x updates should be possible hopefully. Because once HTC made the effort to migrate HTC Sense from 1.5 to 2.1 for the hero, the minor updates shouldnt be a big problem anymore...