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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Input and help needed!

Guys! I need some input from you.

I'm currently working on getting the category-part of the site working as smooth as possible, and I'm gonna implement tags as well..

However, I need some ideas on how to get this working as nice as possible.

My challenges are:

1. How should tags be organized related to categories? Should each main category have its own tags, or should tags be global regardless of categories?

2. How can we make sure that typos in tag-names doesn't mess up the system? Should there be some sort of predefined tags, or maybe some review-functionality?

3. How would this best be implemented in the site? If you have examples of sites using tags, and think they do it in a smart way, please submit them here, giving me examples and ideas.

This has to be pretty close to perfect in order to be an enhancement rather than a bad piece of functionality :)

Thanks guys!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sir Schwanzelot:
1. i think it's very important, that the flags are global. for example: you are searching for a wallpaper pack in the category "design", but you can't find anything because wallpapers are in the category "themes" . i hope you see what i mean

2. typos are bad but they will happen, regardless what you do.

3. good example > socwall.com (type in the tags in the upper right corner)

i hope i could help, and again nice work! :)

ps: sorry for my english :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] julienrl:
I agree with the global tags.

As for preset or typos, people will probably end up with very similar tag that mean the same thing, making it harder to find what we want... what about using auto complete from previously used tags and allow users to suggest tags for applications so when they are looking for something and fall on the app meeting those criteria on the second or third try, they can suggest what would have helped them find it faster.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Designer(s) needed!

Getting time to do all the designing on this page combined with a busy work-schedule is not easy, so I'm wondering if someone here would like to help out designing the different parts of the site.

We need to have a couple of requirements as the project is well underway:

- Good knowledge with Fireworks and/or Photoshop for designing sketches

- HTML/CSS knowledge is a huge advantage, because finished graphics and html/css can then be sent to me, and I'll implement it directly not having to fiddle around with nitpicking (I'm no guru in HTML and CSS, although I know my way around :))

Please PM me if you're interested in collaborating on this project.

Keep in mind that this is not a profit-project. You will not make any money! :) Donation made to the project will be divided fairly of course, but other than that, this is just to make the community even better!

There are also no obligations involved. If you choose to withdraw from the project due to whatever reasons, you're free to do so, but please don't PM me if you don't think you'll have the time to put in a couple of hours design-work..

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dragonglance:
i am quite happy to do the graphical designing and help out if you dont have anyone already
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fozzy169:
I'm more than happy to host...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nikeup:
Hey,

Just a question to the guys behind this brilliant project,

Whats the current status of it all? And is there a timeline for when we can hope to get our first glimpses of it all?

My only other point is that i think the guys behind this should just make the decisions on designs and things like that. Because the project could take for ever if every little detail needs to be discussed on the board, desgins, names etc. Personally, i think at the end of the day if the homepage is green or blue, it doesnt matter, and if the website is abc.com or acb.com it really doesnt matter. Its what the website will provide that we're all so eager about!

And I would really love to help if i could but i have no skills that could be of any use!

Keep of the great work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
The current status is that a couple of pages needs to be put together design-wise, and the tag-functionality has to be finished.

it will be hosted at www.xda-downloads.com (not affiliated with xda-developers.com in any way), and the main design is done, and will be in the style of the current holding-page there.

I promise it wont take forever, as I'm soon ready to release an early version :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nikeup:
Awesome! Thanks for the update.

I'm sure everyone is just as eager and excited as i am!

All the best
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
Thank you yngvebn for your hard work regarding this brilliant & exciting project. ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] julienrl:
so will users who did not develop an app be allowed to post it \ link the forum thread to the XDA-market?

Also, how will this scan our PDA for updates, will it work like app to date where people have to add code to their program? Or alternatively, will it require a log-in and simply have a server-side list of the software we downloaded and the version which it was (this one seems easier to implement)?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] coolape:
who gets to test the new app and report any bugs?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ianhd2:
keep checking this...

Looking forward to the release date :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ctman:
keep up this brilliant project
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] m0j0j0j0123:
Great news, thanks for your work, it will be appreciated highly ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Each application uploaded will have the posibility to have different versions. If you log in, and download something, the next time you log in it will check if the last version you downloaded is up to date.

Maybe some solution combining the features in app-to-date with this can be implemented later, but for now I think this is sufficient. It will also provide the user with a list of applications downloaded, so that you can easily download a zip-file with all the cabs for those apps (you can of course remove programs from your list if you're no longer interested in it)

Stay tuned :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Design needed

Hi guys!

I know there are alot of great designers out there, so here's something I need:

I'm working on the page that actually lists application in any selected category.

Each item has to include the following:

- An image

- Name of the app with version number (doesn't have to be on the same place)

- Name (username) of the author

- A short description

- Tags

- Number of downloads

- Number of comments

- Rating (x/5) with number or stars

Please use the screenshot at http://www.xda-downloads.com for color and look/feel-references

Let the games begin :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cd78:
Great stuff guys! really looking forward to this! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keith43:
I started trying to click the links, then read it was a screen shot! haha
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Lol :D Well, it's not too long until you'll be able too, but as you see, I'm in need of some design-help :) I'm a developer, not a designer :p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keith43:
It looks great! I am neither I am afriad! :D But great work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heliumv2:
it would be awesome thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DanMccoy1:
Show us something we can use. Then add a donation button, I'm sure there are other's like me who would be willing to help pay for the server.

On another note, I can help with the web design, banner's anything like that, Very Familiar with Dreamweaver, After Effects And Photoshop (Have The CS4 Suite)

Pm Me If You'd Like My Help :)

Keep Up The Good Work! +10
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DanMccoy1:
I'll Be First To Add Some Input On This Then :cool: :p ;)

Any Feedback/Modifications?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] theciscokid:
This made me lol. It makes me think of the N3 disast.. *cough* I mean project. :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DanMccoy1:
Application List Page, One Of Mine And Yngve's Idea's.

Feedback Would Be Great So We Can Hopefully Come Up With A Final Design. Cheers!

Dan
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DanMccoy1:
A Retouch.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Eraser85:
I like the second one, but remember to add the category browser between the banner and the grid/list like "Games > Strategy" or "Applications > Tools > Tweaks"
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zoogarden:
Looks great!! Can´t wait untill we can start testing.

Keep up the nice work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jamieeeee:
this would be great!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I think you mixed up your words.. it should be "will", not "would" ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Moskus:
Sure. But "when"? ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Hehe, valid question I suppose.

With a project like this, it's really difficult to just say this and that date, since I'm forced to do it on my spare time, which limits the time available for development. Also I'm dependent on getting the design supplied, otherwise I can rename the site to www.xda-trainwreck.com instead :p

Now, rest assured, I am putting alot of time into this, and what I have running locally on my computer is a fully working "marketplace" website with uploading files/pictures, creating new users, adding applications, registering downloads, rating apps/versions, adding several versions to the projects, creating faq's, admin-system for adding new phone-models/manufacturers/operating systems w/versions, setting up detailed specifications for each phone-model (bluetooth, gprs, etc, etc, etc), specifying the same specs for a project, adding several images to each phone or each project, commenting on whatever a user should be able to comment on, API-functions for pretty much every function... *phew*

But with all the functionality in place, there's still quite a bit design, HTML and CSS-work to be done. For myself, this is the part that definitely takes the most time. I know my way around .NET and C#, but proper HTML and CSS forces me to do quite a few google-searches. Design - well... Not even google can help me there :p

All I ask is that you stick with me for a while, and I promise this will see the light of day in the not so far future. A preliminary guess would put an initial release very early march, but then again, things can go wrong, so don't consider this an official release-date. :)

Once the site is up, we need to get some developers to add a few applications, and some users to browse and download.

Hopefully, it will get the snowball rolling :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Obelix_A:
Hi!

I am following this thread nearly since the beginning. Very good idea!!

Who ever writes the PPC client may have a look at this free lib for fingerfriendly lists.

"http: // xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=634316"

(sorry - I am not allowed to post links, so remove the spaces)

I hope this helps a little...

regards,

Obelix

p.s. looking forward for the first version to be available...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sir Schwanzelot:
i love the second design, keep up the good work!:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] theciscokid:
Hey yngvebn,

Any updates on this project?

Cheers!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lukohtchd2:
when should we expect to be able to use this? cant wait. also is it like a application you can add to our phones or a web based market.

thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
Any news on this great project? :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Yes, there are news :)

But I don't have time to write them today as I'm rather busy at work..

I'll update you guys tomorrow

/Y
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
Great. Please don't give up.

There's a big community supporting you here :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jompa:
try opnmarket.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pussylover:
openmarket

There is one app i found thats not bad its call openmarket, just like windows market only free apps all in catagorys just like wondows market. so its kinda there but i do like the idea of xda havin a easy one place to download sound good. but so far i use to two windows market and openmarket, plus anyother sites i find good working apps from.:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tonycosta:
poster above.

Hope that name is referring to cute little kittens, otherwise I'm not sure how long it will last :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Nafi33:
LOL!:D

Btw, Opnmarket isn't that usefull for HD2 users I think.

There are just a few useable apps and that's it.

I can't wait for this marketplace, I hope it will be nice:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Yeah, I know all about opnmarket, and the app is actually developed by someone on xda-devs...

If "my" site works better or not is really not that important. I'm doing this to give developers somewhere to upload their applications, and a place where users can easily find exactly what they look for, and exactly what works for their phone.

Also, I'm sick of rapidshare and megaupload for download-links :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
+1.

I'm not really interested by the apps I can find on OpnMarket.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ruffruff:
+1

I'm very interested with XDA marketplace as well.

Maybe you can incorporate UA identification in your site so that specific models can only download specific apps. in that case, we won't have WVGA device downloading QVGA app complaining about resolution/compatiblilty issues or vice versa.

But for a start, to make things simple, i think we can throw all into one location first. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Maybe you should read back a bit in the thread (yes, I know it's getting long), and atleast check out the posts I've written.

You'll notice that it's going to be exactly like what you're proposing ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] s0rr0w2k:
I'm a webcoder, do you need help? If yes, contact me via pm please ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bym007:
Love this idea !

User comments should also be catered for (please)!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] m0j0j0j0123:
Subscription to this one ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Rutster:
Am looking forward to this. Hopefully it will be here soon. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sutt359:
Any news today???
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bym007:
This might not be happening so "quickly" (as much as we all are awaiting), so hang on to your horses.

:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ramalama:
I love this idea too! :-)

Im waiting for cydia for WM :-)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Quick update

Sorry guys, I know I promised an update yesterday, so here's a quick one.

The latest update is that I've got three designers on my team working on this. This should probably help me get things together rather quickly..

If you've read my previous updates, you know that most of the functionality is in place, but the design is missing. Since I've come this far, I'm not going to release something half-baked, so I basically want it to look good when it's done.

Currently I'm hoping for a fully functional release some time during the first half of march (please note the word 'hoping')

I do have a quite unpredictable day-job, but I think I'll have the time to finish what's needed to make this preliminary deadline. :)

Now, please keep in mind that this site might be a beta-site for quite a while, but after all, gmail was beta for 6-7 years ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ianhd2:
Thanks for continuing with it m8, looking forward to it :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I'll never give up on my baby :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sir Schwanzelot:
jeah, let your child grow :)

still can't wait to try it out!

keep up the good work!

wow, if i look back... what a journey this thing made, at first an idea, then more and more comments and input. then you developing and coordinating it, i'm going to be really happy, if your baby lives :D

(sorry for my english)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DanMccoy1:
Since it's not too clear as it's not on the first post.

The Guy's on the team are; yngvebn, DanMccoy1 (Myself), xedahh and S0rr0w2k.

Currently as it stands, we have 2 designers, a web coder and yngvebn who is the main leader of this project and is basically working on the database, .NET web development and hosting, etc.

Just thought i'd make that clear for the people on this forum :)

DanMccoy1
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Tanteannie:
Bravo!

You guys need a donation when it's finished! I think this will work en can be growing big guys! Great JOB!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kramerty88:
If you have even the slitest concept that can be tested, I'm willing to alpha and beta test it!

This is one of the best idea's on XDA.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SirMcFrosty:
thats an more than good idea! ...but... u re not the first ones when it comes to an open market -> http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ they also have the needed tool for WM.

i think its a ugly website and WM tool - but it works. i hope u guys do it better and - very important and the big advantage - it hopefully has the apps tools tweaks wahtever from the bigger XDA-devs out there also.

what i saw from design and concept looks good to me! go on - make my day! ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bowpay:
I love to help out on this project. Once I saw .net I was sold. ;) You guys developing it using a MVP or MVC pattern? What happens when you need to shift gears to silverlight? I have a great MVP framework that can be auto generated using codesmith. It couples to netTiers and is a great framework.

My Experience: SQL 2000,2005,2008 VS2005,2008 C# vb.net, php, mysql, firebird sql, photoshop - cs4, javascript, jquery, netTiers, Telerik.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Why would we wanna downshift like that? :rolleyes:

Developing entire web-apps in Silverlight is a one way road to maintenance hell, so that's not gonna happen. For banners, small eye-candy stuff, sure - but jquery is also a valid alternative for those kind of things.

Atm, I'm not introducing any developers until I have a nice frame for others to work on, but I'll be sure to send you a pm once I know more.

Oh, and it's ASP.NET MVC with C#...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bowpay:
If you use a MVP pattern you can swap out the view fairly easy. If you use MVC model 2 pattern which is what MVC.net is then you are locked into the website being rest driven. With silverlight being the tool of choice for WM7 I would think that having the ability to swap views for the future would be best. Using my approach you would be able to make the web app a silverlight installable app by just rewriting the view(Well not completely but easier than not using MVP). Maybe this is not what your trying to develop though. Just thought I would try to help.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Well, we don't even know if WP7 will support anything else than its own marketplace, I don't really see this as a problem. WM6 wont support silverlight anyway, and that's by far the biggest market...

Either way.. Using MVC with controllers enables me to reuse the controller-logic and create a silverlightbased web-app for mobile devices in the future.. Anyway, I'm writing an open API for users to develop towards, so if you wanna make a silverlight-app, go ahead ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bowpay:
Right on looking forward!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DanMccoy1:
Of course it will be better, it's coming from xda dev's ;) we've never failed to produce quality work :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dhdmaster:
guys, this is so great ! it can only be better than the MS marketplace. cant understand why MS is treating the apps like they do. today its so important to have many apps for your OS.

So i hope your free software place will be great and sucsessfull.

if you need any grafx oder animation let me know.

oh before i forget. im not a coder. lats thing i dit was basic on the C64 :D... but is it possible for you guys to build a wysiwyg tool that allows it non-coder to creat apps for your new site?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] freaksey:
lol...

I had this idea like a year ago and began developing.

I think version-tracking and stuff like that was already finished.

But then I stopped developing because there where so many "marketplace wannabes" already out here on xda. What happend to them?

//edit.. all right, looked on my backup hard drive. I still have the code and it wasn't a year ago, it was 26.09.2008 ;) I will check what is working and what not and report back (if anyone interested).

//edit2: most stuff in my marketplace is handled on the server side, if you guys need help just contact me.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jokkmeister:
is there any updates yngve ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] erebusting:
I think this is a great idea and it is nice to see some of you already putting in work ...Really nice to see all this, keep it up and good luck!

I was wondering what is the current status of this project ? Is there an ETA ? or anything like that?....

thanks in advance for all the hard work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kanesw:
;) Im not complaining, just thought this was quite funny
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Smartass ;)

Guys, I know this is taking its sweet time, but it's alot of work to get everything stiched together.

As for the alpha-versions and working versions, I have those. The frame is working. I can upload apps to my staging-version, I can download, rate, comment, log in, and so on.

But the most important part of the system is still in development, and not working the way I want it to.. Namely the Tag-system. It needs work, and I'm not releasing anything until that is working :)

I'll try to be a bit more active on the forum again, but I've been swamped at work lately, so I haven't had as much time as I wanted..

Thanks for being patient :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] scofieldo:
very good idea +1 +1 +1
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] RonnyT24:
I concur

This does sound like a fantastic idea. I just joined today and dont even have my WM phone yet. Im ditching my iphone in 2 days for the HD2, so im researching on whats goin on. This will be my first wm phone so fingers crossed i dont jack it up. This sounds great tho im willing to drop some dough to make this go through.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sir Schwanzelot:
keep on working mate!

:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] horrorview:
I am SO looking forward to this. I can only imagine that this will be the coolest, most polished app in the WinMo universe if you lot are putting it together! :D

Wow, an XDA market. As much as I love reading the forums, having the ability to go directly to app, theme, mod stuff I'm specifically looking for will be a huge plus! As it is, I get off track and end up downloading ten other things, forgetting why I came to the forum in the first place :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] HkDng:
awesome app if it to be released. May M$ marketplace will be in the past soon :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keith43:
Don't think an app is being developed at the moment, just a website?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Both... hence the slight delay :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Schevchenko2:
Omarket

what about the Omarket? isn't that what we are searching for?

many apps from xda members are already included...

http://graumobile.de/2010/03/11/freeware-app-store-fr-windows-mobile-opnmarket-wird-omarket-update-v110/
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keith43:
Ah I see. Well thats even better then. Hope it won't be too long :D