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[Hero, G2 Touch General] TheSeanTeam:
Kleenex should post an ad in this thread... they'd make a killing.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cyberkid2002:
Google said 2.1 should be released within a couple of days...

With that info and the CES happening at the minute (and HTC's CEO being at the google conference) I think it may be out some time this week or next. Could be wrong though.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Sawawa:
This would be fantastic.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
google giving life updates for nexusOne is either unrealistic or a statement saying "dont expect much more from Android..."

Imagine a new Tegra processor coming out at 3Ghz with full openGL(or any other processor with similar specs)...then imagine an Android update fit to run it and use full capacity of it....

How would google update nexusOne with it??

Would they give new phones to nexusOne owners??

Would they keep updating diferent versions of Android just for nexusOne??

One thing i know....i hate when an entity decides to call everyone stupid and makes promises they will never be able to acomplishe..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
why is it unrealistic? apple can update the oldest model of their iphone with the latest firmware, why not google with the nexus?

yes eventually there will come a point where the hardware cannot cope. until that happens, they should keep releasing updates for it.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] String Theory:
I believe Google will release it to the devs. It will take some time more for HTC to adjust it for the Hero (Sense UI). Maybe they already are done with 2.0 and just waiting for the minor updates in 2.1 and then release the Hero Update.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mape78:
Ya, 2.1 will be Open Source in a couple of days, and according to HTC they are very eager to update the phones possible to update, Hero being one of them. HTC has probably had their hands on 2.1 for a while, they did manufacture the Nexus One, didn't they?

My guess is we'll have an update within 14 days or so.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
It's a pretty safe bet that HTC have been working with 2.1 source for a while now. Remember that Motorola released the Droid running 2.0 *before* any 2.0 code was available from AOSP, and it seems that HTC have a closer relationship with Google than Motorola does.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
wth are you talking about?

"How would google update nexusOne with it??"

Well, google WOULDN'T update the nexusOne with an update meant for a 3GHz machine.

Let me ask you this: How would you install Windows Vista on a 486? You wouldn't.

Android is a versatile OS, it is (mostly) open source, and designed to run on various devices. So updates to the nexusOne will be customized to the nexusOne. Not some 3GHz Tegra.

Now consider the "lifetime" of cell phones. 6 or 7 years from now (when I'm sure 3GHz mobile CPU's could be quite popular), I'm sure nobody would use something as ancient as the nexusOne, and Google probably won't be too converned with updates, and neither will anyone else.

I hope this clears things up for you, because you seem very confused.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mape78:
Simon, if everyone followed your ideals, we would all be wearing french "Peruke" wigs and be using Nokias, or something. This forum is all about development and improvement...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
Also, did you really need to post twice about this? Now who's being tedious?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
you know, there is something between black or white too. i'm looking forward to the eclair update. But this doesn't mean that i'm sitting around at home in a dark corner, staring at the wall like some psycho, because the only thing i can think of is the future htc hero update.

Believe it or not, we all have lives besides xda devs, and when i got time every now and then i check if there are news regarding the update. And if not thats ok too. Sometimes it's fun to discuss those topics, and i don't care if the moon is beautiful this night, because i want to discuss on xda devs. If the moon is fascinating for you every single night, than thats good for you. But don't conclude that everybody has to share you point of view. Other people think that their new full hd plasma is fascinating, and i don't have a problem with it. In the end we all die, but it's hard to say what kind of hobbies are deserving your spare time more than others. Depends on the person. And anticipating something can also be a good thing, if it doesn't take over your whole life.

btw: Just living in the present is quite dangerous too.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] :
:eek:If only everyone knew this about us xda folk. Great post!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
LOL

You just agreed with me...they will never do lifetime updates for a device that will get old in 6 months,almost obsolete in 2 years in comparison to other devices beeing released at that time.

Thats not how computer industry works.

As for apple updates...implementing stuff that should be in first realese is not an update for my standards.

OS updates consist in...bug fix,OS architecture,UI...and other things.

The first 3 are vital updates to keep an OS alive.

Both OS architecture and UI updates are meant to take advantage of the newer technologies avayable in the market...Thats why as an example there werent official ROM´s with wm6.5 for devices released 1 year ago...because they cant handle the OS.

What you´re saying is "they will not do significant improvements to the OS structure to fully explore the capabilities of new hardware" making it possible to keep an older phone updated with newer releases." ...

first phrase in my post "google giving life updates for nexusOne is either unrealistic or a statement saying "dont expect much more from Android..." "

Well i dont consider myself confused,but confused people normally arent aware of that state... :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] vito45:
google says they give (Nexus One) uptades as long as they can, as i look at google i think i can believe them, google need devices in use not how many they sell
[Hero, G2 Touch General] theodore80:
Guys, you are completely off-topic.

I am bored reading so many posts about if google will be releasing lifetime updates for the Nexus One and I honestly don't care.

You are in the Hero forum and the discussion subject has to do with rumors about HTC Hero Eclair release date.

Thank you.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
You're welcome.

So anyway, the whole "lifetime" updates is a bit of a paradox. Because after no one is using the NexusOne anymore, will anyone notice that Google's not putting out updates? I mean, they could put out updates, but no one would know. The whole "if a tree falls in the forest" thing.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yeah, i'm expecting 1-2 years of updates for the HTC Hero, so from now on another year should be fine. All Android 2.x updates should be possible, but starting with Android 3.0 most people will either move on to the next device, or they are such light-users that they won't even notice that their 2 year old HTC Hero is not supported anymore. Most of those people won't be doing any RUU Updates anyway...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
Please guide me. I can't figure out how to get kicked off the same forum 4 times in 2 days.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
Tit sent me a PM. Apparently he's..... I dunno, embarrassed? Ashamed? Anyway, I took the liberty of keeping the conversation in one place:

Please stop calling me a ****. You're only going to get banned again. I'm all for free speech, but you sound like a dirty, dirty broken record. And the person who banned you is not who you thought it was, fyi.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] farukb:
hey brainiacs ,philosophers or whatever you are...here is one question you should think about

WHY THE HELL DOES EVERY THREAD NEED TO END UP IN OFFTOPIC??

come on,philosophers,cut the crap and stay within the topic

just to remind you it is "any rumors on when eclair/flan is released" and not some "let's have a f***ing argue about light and dark,evil forces,blue skies"

get your selves together
[Hero, G2 Touch General] vadonald:
Looks like the update is on the HTC website

Vince
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
I definitely can't see it.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] vadonald:
HTC's Site

Vince
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
Ouhh, is this def the 2.1 update though?

Nothing on htc's twitter yet.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
"Sorry, this software download is not suitable for your device."

I have a UK based, unbranded Hero, so it's definitely not the Eclair/Flan update.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
wonderign what the '(H3G)' means in that rom update...is this some kind of carrier?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kalairn:
maybe its for the 3 network??
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
It is for Three and it is a 2.73 build, so will be 1.5.

Doubtful that there is anything new of particular interest in it.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yeah, i was guessing that this is not the eclair update, because 'H3G' just didn't look right! :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
from the googles mouth...

http://ow.ly/TdaC
[Hero, G2 Touch General] craig0r:
Nice find!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
Great news for us.

Maybe in late January we have the updated rom.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] dr_lovejoy:
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[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
Link takes me to a weird place?

Could anyone say what came out of googles mouth.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
http://phandroid.com/2010/01/05/android-2-1-coming-to-other-devices-too/

they basically said the following:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yeah but just because google said that 2.1 source will be available soon, doesn't mean that HTC will be finished with their HTC Sense for 2.1 at the same time.

Those are two entirely different subjects. Still i think that we might get the update at the end of january...

btw: this is a general reply, not especially to your post, because you never wrote that the HTC update will be here soon. But some other people think that. ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
Due to the fact that we are in the Hero forum, and the thread is titled " Any rumors on when Eclair/Flan is released?" :P

I agree though it's simply saying that "everyone", will get flan when it's open sourced, doesn't definitely mean that HTC will release an update.

I think it will be more like March/April, but hoping for January.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yes, i understand that this is the correct thread for such speculation, but i think the logic of the speculation is wrong. And being in the correct thread doesn't help much in this case. ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] smetsjan:
it's about time !

I'm getting impatient.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Waza_Be:
SDK 2.1 is there.. :-p

Custom ROM developers will have a lot of work!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] pulser_g2:
Yup. Only thing now is that we're going to have another battle on our hands whenever HTC do release 2.1 for real. To get the kernel sources (again). Unless they're very forthcoming (and they took quite a while to get round to the CDMA ones) that could be a nuisance for any kernel-developers.

But the SDK release can only be a good thing.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Dan330:
so.. then...

what do you all think.. is a reasonable timeline.

To hope for the 2.1 ROM for our CDMA Sprint SenseUI Heros?

My Guess:

Sprint will release with SenseUI in Late Feb

Custom ROM for us Rooted Heros will be available in early March?

A stable Custom ROM will be out in Late March?

:rolleyes: :cool: :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] urandom:
My guess is (unfortunately) that HTC will not be releasing any 2.1 update for the Hero before the WMC this February. Since it is highly likely that they will be showcasing new android phones with an updated UI, they probably don't want to steal that thunder. Even then, they might opt to release an update when an actual phone hits the market, or even later, in order to not hinder its sales.

Yeah, grim predictions ...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Ace42:
Well the roadmap showed many phones including the bravo,legend,others i forgot and espresso might be the name for a new phone too.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
First half of 2010 :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
Users at Androidpit are planning a "joint protest action"

Hi Everyone,

some users over at androidpit.de are planning a "joint protest action" using the "Customer Service" --> Support via e-Mail form.

Some of you might want to take part in this action which would be helpful to show HTC that they should keep up with their updates for their Android flagship device.

In case you are german language and want to join this action you might follow this thread:

w w w.androidpit.de/android/de/de/forum/thread/392259/Wo-bleibt-das-2-1-Update-fuer-das-Hero-Protest-Aktion-wer-macht-mit

(PLS COPY AND PASTE AND DELETE SPACES IN BETWEEN THE Ws)

It would be great if you would register and post your support of this action. At some point there will be a date and time at which all supporters are going to send the form to HTC.

In case you are english language and want to join this action it would be great if someone here would act as link-man to coordinate the approach.

The Email should be somehow like this:

"Dear Sirs and Madams,

you have announced an update for the HTC Hero last year. First you told that there would be an update to Android 1.6, later to 2.X.

Several requests didn´t help in clearing the question if and when there will be the update.

Taking into account that I bought a flagship / premium product which cost me a lot of money I was expecting to be supplied with updates on a regular basis.

Android 1.5 and most of the features of the HTC Hero are running fine, but still the choice of apps at the Android Market is getting smaller day by day. E.g. I can´t even use the recent version of google maps.

I and many other customers expect an concrete answer concerning the question if and when there will be the announced update.

An answer like:

"We are working on it but can´t tell..." isn´t adequate and won´t be accepted.

I as well as many others will have to reconsider buying another HTC device after having made those bad experiences."

I am sorry for my english - has been better in the past. Maybe someone could tune it up a little.

Your support is appreciated.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
well, if you can't rack up about 16000 supporters, i don't think that HTC will even notice this... ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
Wouldn´t be too sure about this. They know that there will be many others, which didn´t notice this approach.

And of course: If most people think and post like you did... There won´t even be 200. But I am convinced that we might could achieve something.

It is not just about 200 people not beeing satisfied. HTC is a company which has a lot of regular customers. They know that their recent success had something to do with word-of-mouth advertising.

If many users of xda-developers, androidpit users and so on will take part in it. It might help.

Let´s say 200 users x avg of € 400 = € 80.000 turnover. It isn´t much but it is more than nothing.

Let´s say 200 users who tell their dissapointment relate to 4,000 who actually are dissapointed. Now we are talking about € 1,600,000 of turnover. And I think those numbers are far too low.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
try this, i tidied it up a bit for you.

-----------------

Dear Sir/Madam

You announced an update for the HTC Hero, firstly that there would be an update to Android 1.6, later to 2.X.

Several requests didn´t make it clear if and when there will be an update.

Taking into account the fact that I bought a premium product which cost me a lot of money I was expecting to be supplied with updates on a regular basis.

Android 1.5 and most of the features of the HTC Hero are running fine, but the choice of apps at the Android Market is getting smaller day by day, e.g. I can´t use the recent version of google maps.

I and many other customers expect an concrete answer concerning the question if and when there will be the announced update.

An answer like:

"We are working on it but can´t tell..." isn´t adequate and won´t be accepted.

I as well as many others will have to reconsider buying another HTC device after having had this bad experience.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
Thank you for that. In case some of the mods think, that it might be worth a try I wouldn´t be too sad if you´d convert my post with the tidied up letter to a sticky thread.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
np

imo, its not worth stickying this, its going to redundant soon enough anyway (we hope)

i have already sent it out, and recommend to everyone to do the same, no point delaying, as we have suffered enough delays already!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] darfbozo:
Grow up and be patient!

Jeez you lot. Grow up and get a life FFS - It's a mobile phone, your lives don't depend on updates, you wont suffer as a result of not getting the latest app to work.

This whole forum is chock full of people moaning about stuff not working because of one thing or another - in the main because they have f**cked about with the provided OS.

HTC don't owe you anything. You bought their product, there is no promise of updates in any of the small print. They provide us with free updates that cost them a lot of cash in research and development. How many other companies do that free of charge or any quicker? Nokia? Pffft, they're shockingly bad at updates, which NEVER work any better than previous revisions. Microsoft? Users wait YEARS, literally, for any kind of updates to their Mobile platform.

If something is faulty from purchase then use your consumer rights to get a refund or a replacement. If you want it to do more than it did at the time of purchase then either wait patiently until if/when an update is available, or go buy a newer faster model.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
great - this sounds good - thx
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
And now it's full of people moaning.... about people moaning :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
@ darfbozo:

HTC announced an update. (Some) people were awaiting it. Android 1.6 is running on the HTC Tattoo (a far cheaper handset), many features have been added since 1.5. Many apps can´t be found or used.

And finally we didn´t by a Nokia 6300 but a premium device at a high price. Besides this HTC will have a hard time selling this device which still is their Android premium product since people won´t buy an antiquated product - which the Hero is about to become.

Don´t get me wrong, but the Google G1 has a newer OS than the Hero!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kendong2:
how dumb can one person be... this is sad.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kadison:
He isn't dumb, he's absolutely right.

I'm eagerly awaiting the update to 2.1, and check regularly to see if it's been released. However, I don't whine when I don't see it and consider HTC to be doing me a favour as it will be costing them large sums of money to provide this update for free.

There's no point whining or "threatening" HTC that you won't buy their next product. They literally don't care as they are doing over and above what is required of them.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
You are wrong. There are plenty of people that bought the HTC Hero after HTC announced that there will be an update to 1.6 respectively to 2.0 / 2.1.

Now - this could even be of penological relevance. In case they never were seriously planning to update the Hero some people might have bought it knowingly that there will be support. It doesn´t matter if HTC proclaims this on the product itself or is using channels like "twitter".

So don´t tell us, they don´t need to provide the update. Since they officially announced it they are condemned to supply it.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] darfbozo:
lol

Congratulations on an excellent, well reasoned and grown-up response Kendong2.

Thankyou for your input, most useful.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] darfbozo:
@1diamond. IMHO anyone that buys something acting on a promise that it will be updated is a chump.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
Others would call someone who offers you something and delivers knowingly less, even though he could devilver what he had offered, a defrauder.

Well - I wouldn´t go that far.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
i am one of the chumps who bought it after the update announcement, as i had already seen it used, and been impressed by it. i didnt base my buying decision wholly on the fact that it would receive an update , but it did influence me partly and i hoped out of naivety that this wouldnt become another windows mobile style con.

anyway this thread is not about the argument of whether i and the other buyers who expect the update are chumps or not, so take it elsewhere.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
no need to panic. we WILL get the update for sure, the question is just: when?

Anybody who knows HTC already knows that they are not the fastest company to provide updates, and they never were fast on WM either. We need some patience...and everything will work out.

i can imagine that having htc sense coded deep into android, and android moving to 2.0 resulted in a lot of work for porting HTC sense.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
When I called there last week I received the answer, that the announced update has been cancelled. :eek:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
it hasnt been cancelled.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] pauliusba:
Had been cancelled, maybe? You know, past perfect.

Anyways, you are lying.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] 1diamond:
You are beeing impolite.

It is exactly what the guy at the german support team told me on the phone. What I didn't mention is that he added. "Until further notice."

Maybe he was badly informed.

I am no native speaker but I am not sure if past perfect would've been correct in this case. And since I wrote has been it obviously hasn't been opted out completely - correct?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] lozfromcorby:
February 15th.

android.com.pl says so.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
hmm had a look at this, source is supposedly HTC Poland, not sure how reliable this all is, but if its true, its good news, just over a month...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Quazar0:
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...A4Q7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=android.com.pl&hl=en

hopefully its true! The improvements sound good :D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
Why would an android site have news on what essentially is HTC's release?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
the source was desribed as HTC Poland. i don't know how reliable this is , but its better than nothing.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daniel_owen_uk:
The link goes to android.com.pl

edit - Ahh I see the story says it's sourced from HTC Poland

Still hardly from the horses mouth!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wywywywy:
It is very unlikely to be 15th Feb because of the long Chinese New Year holiday in Taiwan.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wrsg:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5387304&postcount=6
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ZED_pt:
Do you really think that a multi-national corporation will stop because of an holiday in Taiwan?

That is silly...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] DaanJordaan:
I think it's a good assumption:p Still, have to agree with you:p
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wywywywy:
You know what, YES I think so.

Don't forget all their engineers (hardware and software) are in Taiwan.

And Chinese New Year in Taiwan is as big as Thanks Giving + Christmas + New Year in the US.

I don't see any US-based multi-national corporations launching new software updates on Boxing Day.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
Ahem, bad choice! Boxing Day isn't a public holiday in the US. ;)

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nukleuzN:
Hmmm .. . Waiting ... But can anyone point to a page where HTC announces the HTC Hero also gets A2.1? I can only find this on the HTC 'twitter page:

Which means that Sprint Hero will get the upgrade to 2.1, but HTC says nothing about the HTC Hero will?

But what I could find, however, were the following:

Which means that Eclair will come to HTC Hero, but not flan?