yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
I still don't see a lot of discussion on this subject. Perhaps we all should post on the Google forums:

Mobile device form posts are

here

...

General discussion posts are

here

...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] MarkAtHome:
You are such a trouble-maker. I love it! ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Umm... So do you think I should change my avatar to this? :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] maximus9314:
I'm starting to think it's a conspiracy by Google to push the reminding WM users into Android. Not that I'm against Android.

Of course, one can easily debunk my conspiracy theory bu showing me it's also affecting Android's with Gmail.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Matthes42:
To be sure that Google is the only culprit I´ve read several threads here discussing other Custum ROMs. In none of them is an issue with gmail topic. Could it be a combination between gmail and poutlook or another component that is used in our ROMs?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
I would love to find another culprit since none of us have any power to get Google to even respond to issues, never mind fix them. It'd be nice if we found some other issue which could be corrected (by someone other than Google) in a timely manner.

Yes, indeed, it most likely is. I am not sure what WP7 uses for mail but I am reasonably certain Android and Apple do not use Office and Outlook or even TMail. That would put the issue squarely on the Windows Mobile platform, presumably after some 'minor' change made by Google recently.

The reason I am suspecting a change at Google is because nothing changed on our devices. ROMs which worked well and reliably for a long time all of the sudden no longer work - at least not reliably.

I currently have all my GMail accounts set to manual and all is well. If/when I do a manual mail check it has a roughly 50% chance of being successful or hanging. I have not been able to find any other clues thus far.

Any ideas are welcome...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
A GMail workaround?

Some of my mail is not overly important but some I need to see when it arrives. This Gmail issue was driving me crazy. OK, it still is. What was I to do? :rolleyes:

I went to GMX (

http://www.gmx.com

) and created the very same email names I have with GMail.

To get the mail at GMX GMail can be set to forward everything or GMX can be told to pull the mail (it will need the GMail password, of course). Both methods work well.

I wiped out the GMail accounts on the phone and created their GMX equivalents. Whew! That was quick. Now I don't have to worry about losing mail or having to give everyone a new email address (although I can if I want to). I can even set the sending email address on GMX to my GMail one so it will look like it came from there although I have not tried this yet.

The HD2 seems to have no problems at all polling the various GMX accounts.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cancar:
Vibration in silent mode

Hello Dutty, I can't avoid the vibration in silent mode when a call comes. I have set the Vibrate and ring on the incoming call ring because I need it during the day but of course when I want the phone to be silent, the vibration when a call comes is not appreciated. Is there a way to disable it in silent mode without changing the ring type association? It seems a problem related to wm. Have you any solution?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] skodann:
Hy, Dutty, any chance to have a com2 version of your latest release ? I like your roms, but I hate com3 and com5 versions. I am still on v18 release (seems that is your latest release of com2).Thank you.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
hi mate no issues, I assume its your customisations or conflict with something or tweak applied.

I just use the volume down button to set to silent and when phone rings it doesnt vibrate.

You can try it with a fresh installation yourself
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
The last COM2 version is V18 and no issues or changes to be made. Only COM3 ROMs needed some fixes com2 version is still perfect.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
I swapped to Windows Phone 7 yesterday because i was so pissed off with the Gmail Problem.

It has a very, very bad behaviour on the battery but i read that this is normal with the WP7 port on the HD2.

Gmail seems to behave quite normal, there is no excessive battery drain or even a heat-up and subsequent hardlocking noticable.

I wonder if we get some response from Android users here too? I would love to know what they are experiencing. I bet there is nothing wrong since Android is Googles answer to life, the universe and everything.

ny_limited, i had to smile a little reading your GMX suggestion. I setup Gmail to do exactly this with all my mail accounts so noone sees my private adress. it would be a pain to setup everything the other way around just because we have this "tiny" issue here...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] maximus9314:
BTW, with Gmail/IMAP lockup issue... do you guys sync the 'All Mail' folder on your HD2? I do and I wonder if removing it (i.e. only sync 'Inbox') would help. I'll give it a try tomorrow.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] haighpaul:
Don't bother. I just sync the inbox and it still screws up.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Matthes42:
There´s no need to migrate to WP7. It seems that all the other Custom ROMs with WM 6.5.x don´t have this issue with Google Mail. If you don´t have any workaround I recommened to use one of these instead of accepting all that bad behaviour of WP7.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] maximus9314:
Thanks for confirming that.

But the problem just came out of blue on Duttys' ROMs. Nothing has been changed.

Also, what difference between Duttys' and others would result in this (ultimately something caused by Google tweaking their end)?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] polivia:
TMobile HD2 Stock ROMs have the same GMail IMAP issue

Just for sanity sake of those on this thread. I have the same issue on the stock ROM from T-Mobile. I was using the 2.13.531.1 ROM and gmail IMAP was making tmail.exe spin out of control on the CPU. I tried doing a ROM update to T-Mobile's ROM update from last year 3.14.531.1 (04666) WWE, but it has the same issue. If I allow the Gmail IMAP account to automatic send/receive, it eventually spins out of control until the battery dies.

It has to be a recent gmail issue (i.e. around May 19,2011). I had used the GMail IMAP for over a year with no issues until recently. I am able to do automatic send/receives with an IMAP account from a non-gmail system without problems. I also can do an "as items arrive" real time push of my gmail contact/calendar sync using ActiveSync and its fine. It is definitely gmail IMAP that has changed something.

Did anyone open a thread in the Google forum?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Well, I don't know about Google fixing it anytime soon but there are a few things we can look at when you have a few minutes.

As I said before, even though the change had to be made at GMail recently the problem also has to be on the WinMo side. Here is what happens - courtesy of DotFred's Task Manager (now you know why I prefer this one against utask!)

The hang can happen during a connect, during a login or during a disconnect.

Once it happens TMAIL.EXE is using between 89% and 95% of the CPU continuously and it will not exit or terminate by itself. The TMAIL.EXE I am currently using is 568K and is dated 17FEB2011. It was executed with the command line "tmail.exe -RunInBkg" and is using several other processes and .DLLs.

Even though the problem is triggered by something on GMail if some other ROMs can function without encountering this problem they must be using a different version of TMAIL.EXE.

So, the questions are:

How long have been using this version of TMAIL.EXE?

Is there another version of TMAIL.EXE floating around that we can try? Presumably from sometime before version 18 of the ROM.

Is TMAIL.EXE part of your SYS build? If yes, when was the last time this has changed?

If someone can grab a copy of TMAIL.EXE from another ROM (which is not 568K) it may be worth a try to see how it reacts with the Google change. Or, if Dutty can find another version of TMAIL.EXE it may solve the issue.

The only problem with this theory is that a TMAIL.EXE change may also require the change of several other modules (e.g. DLLs) which I cannot easily identify.

How is that for detective work so far? :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
That is not good news. We have very little influence on Google... :(

Agreed, although TMAIL.EXE should not hang like that. It should time-out after, say, 30 seconds. Of course, getting Microsoft to fix this is even a smaller chance than getting Google to admit fault! :rolleyes:

Yes, I did - thus far nothing.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Is there any way you can tell what version (size and date) of TMAIL.EXE they are using?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
I wasn't happy about the work-around either but I spend a fair amount of time each day away from my computer and I need to know when certain accounts receive email. :mad:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] polivia:
Google Help Posting...

I also posted something to google see if it can get some visibility.

Total Commander reports my tmail.exe is 548.7K dated 7/13/2010 10:14AM. No idea how to find the version of it though.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Here's another possibility pointing to GMail

Found these posted in Google's forums today:

iPhone mail app stopped working with Gmail

And yet another possible culprit being reported:

I have been unable to access my Gmail (email) in 3 days

It looks like people are beginning to notice a problem... :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
I am not sure about the version either though yours is definitely different from mine. Mine is exactly 581756 bytes but it is starting to look like the problem goes past various versions.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] maximus9314:
Folks, I have figured it out:

It's the fxxxxxg May 21 doomsday predicated by the stupid Family Radio International. Someone in Google must bought the sh!t, gave up on maintaining Gmail IMAP service and went hiding in an underground bunker.

Yes, it's kind of a light-hearted joke. Until Google actually fixes the issue, we can continue making jokes at their expenses.

EDIT: My apologies to hijacking Duttys' thread. For everyone how's having this issue, please post in the thread started by nylimited on Google's support forum:

http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/Google+Mobile/thread?tid=62077c5f41b7cf17&hl=en

Since you already have a Gmail account, you can log on the post. Just a small effort at your finger tip and we can add more pressure to Google. Not that it might make them do anything but it's better than whining here while it has nothing to do with Duttys.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Actually, that was pretty funny! :D

Either that or we both have a sick sense of humour! :eek:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Although this makes no sense to me the only

posted

change made by Google on May 19th was at 6:19 PM according to them. This change had the title of "Changes and improvements to aim interoperability".

The article is located

here

if you want to check it out.

Why this change should impact Windows Mobile and GMail I have no idea but the date and time of the change it is an interesting coincidence. :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] skodann:
Thank you Dutty, and keep up your good work
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cafein:
will there be a twitter fix for v18 then , I am still on it and have a twitter connection problem.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Dmitry N:
Guys!

I am on v24 now and everything works fine for me. Everything - Twitter, GMail etc.

What am I doing wrong?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Thanks for the link I will have a read on it, but seems strange suddenly this issue is occurring
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
twitter issue is on htc side nothing much I can do sorry
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
You have twitter working without any manupilations, strange:confused:, you must be the first user to have a new flash and have it working:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] cafein:
Yes I know but as I said ; I am still on v18 and like to use Com2 builds so will you relase a fix.cab or exe for v18 users after HTC fixed the Twitter issue.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
I have to correct some info regarding a statement of mine concerning the gmail issue:

earlier I said that I was having that issue while using pop access.that was wrong.I also used imap at the time.I am now using pop and that appears not to trigger the issue.

so this could eventually be a workaround.I suggest that other people try for verification. to do so u need to set up the account manually- u cannot use the preset build into the rom!

ps.: dont forget to enable pop and deactivate imap on your gmail account!

btw: somebody started a new thread for this problem in the general section.might be better to swap the discussion over there to keep duttys thread clean.

just as a reference: the Google Discussions Thread
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
If or when its available I will release a hotfix cab
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] globalgpj:
Nothing !

I am on v24 also and everything is perfect. Weird eh ! :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Are pulling mail from Gmail via IMAP on some schedule? If you are I sure can't explain it - I doubt v24 had a newer tmail.exe...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Dmitry N:
Hi Chef,

No, it's not a new flash. I've been on v.24 since you released it. Do you mean that, if I re-flash it now, Twitter and Gmail will stop working?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Ok that maje sense, any new flash now will break twitter which result it not working and I'm not sure about gmail.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] haighpaul:
Hi Dutty

Using V26 test I seem to have a mismatch between the exchange sync items. Options on ActiveSync shows I'm syncing everything but if I go to ActiveSync on Settings-DataServices it shows only email and the others are greyed out. Is this a bug?

Screenshots attached.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] maxkit:
Hello Guys, I would like to flash this ROm. I have Hard Spl 3.03 by Beppe and Cottula installed on my Device, please tell me how to downgrade it to Hardspl 2.08

Thank you so much
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Some more things to think about and try.

The issue exists only when getting mail from Gmail and, I think, only if using IMAP. Other mail providers seem to be OK.

But here is another twist: I could not make it fail when using wi-fi instead of data (hspa and g3). I didn't find this right away since I almost never use wi-fi.

It seems that some change made at Google creates the problem but only on a data connection.

Can anyone else confirm this?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I think you just need to download hspl 3 which had the spl 2.08
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I don't use a exchange server but most likely it's a bug with Manila itself or the way it was meant to. Flash previous ROMs and double check but it wouldn't be s bug with v26 but with other also.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] haighpaul:
Cheers man, I'll flash an older version when I've a bit more time, just to check.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] light_n_roses:
Hi dutty !

Is that possible to restore the sound of the logo " quietly brilliant" ? I mean the sound of the pen writing not the sound that you have put in cab form on first page !
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Ironjer:
You can restore it with this cab http://fileserve.com/file/a7uGbFd
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
big no no.

actually the first time i had that dead hot battery was when i had the phone hooked to my wireless at home. so everything i did before the hardlock even made me think it was the wifi that killed the battery.

only when the same **** happened again with wifi disabled on a 2G connection i realized there was more to it then simply a bad ROM and bad wifi behaviour. :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] light_n_roses:
no it's the cab that I have named in my post..it's the other sound..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Thanks for that info! I nearly never have wi-fi access anyway as I am in my car a lot but I was hoping for something more to go on. Looks like it is back to Google. For what it may be worth, a lot more people are starting to figure it out and post on Google now! I wonder what took them so long.... :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] globalgpj:
Yep, every 4 hours. The build is 23158............one of the best series in my opinion.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] rayman95:
I flash the V23 FR MSVC on the 19th and no problem until today (gmail....)

this morning by 2 times the screen stay black and when I touch the 4 buttons only light on the button but nothing happens.the phone was hot and I need to remove the battery.the 3rd time it was the same but the phone was not hot.

So I remove gmail account and apparently the problem is gone.

very strange problem who touch only some people on different days:confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] i_mendes:
There is fix for Peep on HTC site (portuguese) from 10-02-2011. It's about security.

It's related with the bug that you're talk about, or it's another problem?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Interesting! Now if we could only figure out how your IMAP is different from the others' we may have a lead! :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] globalgpj:
Just this afternoon, both my wife and I have had a problem with gmail and wm side of things.......very strange......it seems that whether it was on logging in or disconnecting, the device would freeze up and if we left it unattended during the four hour period of when the email would be check, we couldn't wake up our devices and it was really hot......and subsequently the battery drained.

Very weird. First I thought it was just her device running stock 3.14, but after many types of reinstallations.....nothing seemed to work.......so I just didn't add an email account to hers and guess what.....no more problem.

Now, i run v24 of Duttys and Android.

I never had a problem using imap with gmail until today.......it's like a curse or something........very weird......maybe it is either gmail's server issues or my local cellcom data network. :confused::(

However, I am running gmail on Android with no problems......so for now, until I figure out what's happening...I am running Android.....which btw, is fantastic.

I'm sold, my next device may just be HTC Sensation. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Aisa2:
Hot phone with gmail..

This is interesting.. I Have the same issue with gmail and exchange server.. Started today and have have even downgraded my HD2 to the HTC rom from their homepage..Same problem.. Dead battery after 4 hours and a very warm phone..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
Well, after the Google Help Topic said this issue was fixed i setup a new IMAP access to my GMail - et voila: it works again. Thanks for the hassle, google...

Thanks Dutty for a nice ROM and this not being your fault hahaha!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] vhjc:
So, it was entirely fault of Google? :confused:

Damn! I thought they never screwed things up!!! :eek:

:D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Not entirely. A change Google made triggered the problem, however, tmail should not have hung despite bad or unknown data. You can put blame on both, Google and Microsoft. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] maximus9314:
I suspect that Microsoft didn't code the packet timeout handling properly in tmail.exe. It's also very unlikely for Microsoft to roll out a patch for an old WM platform.

I believe that the issue was resolved (or, more accurately, rolled back) by Google in relatively quick turnaround (yes, you heard it right. I've worked on some support tickets with one of them before and a week is nothing unless they crashed Steve Job's own iPhone) because it also affected users of other platforms.

We few who are sticking to WM are pretty much on our own now. Thanks to XDA forums that we actually have a place to talk about great WM ROM's from Duttys and share thoughts about WM issues like this one.

The saga had it's side-effects on me as well: for the 2nd time ever I did a clean install of Duttys ROM (v24) instead of always applying SPB backup ontop. Wow, it really worth the extra effort! I was able to resolve some small glitches caused by backups overwriting newer system files.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Sneakyghost:
:D i always do it clean - didn't even figure out yet how to backup everything. I still wonder if there is a way to do that 2-hours work of reconfiguring everything in less time apart from UC-Customize, which i don't understand and don't have the time to learn...

Apart from that i wanted to state, Dutty, i am now rather happy with the 29xxx ROM. It seems to be alright. It still has a little less Charme than the 23xxx builds but it runs fairly well since quite a while now (not mentioning the little hiccup the past week lol).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] globalgpj:
Whew ! Everything with Gmail is back to normal :)

My HD2 is running again smooth as silk ! :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
I'm happy its all working now. ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
As a rule, I don't like Google watching me even more than they already do...

In any event, am I curious. I am reasonably sure that Android does not use Microsoft's Office and Outlook to handle email. Does it have an email client, similar to Outlook or Thunderbird (one that handles your contacts, appointments, notes and email) or does it simply rely on the GMail storage at Google and a web browser?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] NYLimited:
Agreed.

You mean Sergey Brin, not the Apple guy, right? :D

Yes, this one was quite fast. I was surprised. The last one (close to 2 years ago) took longer.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] light_n_roses:
Hi !

I'm testing v25, I have had v23 for more than mouch and I have to say that it was the best ROM ever. What do you think, which is faster v23 or v25 ? I vote for v23 but I'm not sure...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
29xx series has been abandoned due to few many complaints and v26 will be base on 23xx series. I think it edges over 29xx overall with performance and stability.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] Bulldog:
I agree! I am using the V26 since few days and until now very happy with it. thanks dutty.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] duttythroy:
Your welcome mate hopefully we can get the peep hotfix soon.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 ROM Development] trendsbze:
TO THE PREVIOS POST:

Just curious, are you running NAND or SD Android. I have been trying to get an SD Android loaded with limited success. I finally got Jaguaralani CM7 to load and it's really nice but an hour later lost all my sounds. No music, ringtones, dial tones nothing. Everything else is working but I have to boot back to windows to use the phone and listen to music and see videos. For a newbie just trying to learn the android system, this is not too encouraging