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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
Hey yngvebn Ive thought of something useful I can do. I cant program, I cant web design (or design at all for that matter) but Im rather handy with sony vegas :D If you want me too I can work on some sort of intro video for the site or maybe an advertisement type thing?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I think that's a brilliant idea! :) What would you need to get started on something like that?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I must say - The amount of support, encouragement, feedback and ideas I'm getting in this thread is overwhelming.

It's what keeps me developing this app, and I feel like the hours I'm spending are really worthwhile!

Thank you everybody!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] xedahh:
I think it's a bit early for this but.. I can give you the logo and other design assets created so far if you want to get started. It would probably be most useful as an introduction to the site when its complete however, demonstrating more advanced bits of functionality etc.. Unless its purely a messaging/brand piece in which case we need to decide on what to communicate!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I agree!

Side-note:

I'm hoping to have some early alpha-version ready sometime during next weekend. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tonycosta:
This would be a breakthrough for XDA forums. I have only been here a short time and the content here is the best!. A marketplace would be a perfect way to keep all files up to date and organised.

Would not take long to cast a shadow over the current windows marketplace either!

I do basic web design and have plenty of hosting space if you need it

Keep up the good work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
Well I dont mind what its for, I can wait until we have more of a solid design up, wherever.

And alpha!!!!!!!!!!! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] geekyhawkes:
As has been said here lots i think this idea is great. Sight designs look clean and it would really help both devs and users in the WM market. It might also shut up some of the apple users claiming they have more apps than any other platform.

I personally just hope M$ themselves read this. I am the only one that is surprised they are willing to let users develop their own, working marketplace!?

Bring on the alpha version!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jaxbot:
Sweetness.... Can't believe it took me this long to find it.

Would this be just for the Leo, or for all devices?

How would devs "submit" apps? Would there be an approval system?

Can't wait for alpha!!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] statto:
This sounds like a great idea. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] BASSMANBOB:
This would be an XDA Marketplace....XDA is made up of millions of users spanning an enormous range of devices....Im going to take a wild guess and say this is not a Leo exclusive....
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Exlo:
This IS a great idea:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
No limits, no restrictions :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jaxbot:
Yeah I went back and read through, I was just a little confused as to why this is posted under Leo, HTC HD2 > HD2 Themes and Applications.

A thought though, it would be nice to have things that you wouldn't install on your device (directly) on it, eg a section for ROMs listed by device. The roms section (at least for the Touch Pro) is way cluttered, would be nice to see them by ranking!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Moved it!

Alright guys!

Since this is more or less official, i created a new thread over in the General forums.

Check it out here!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nicelad_uk:
Is it just me or has this post now gone? I can't access it!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Fallen Spartan:
Moved this thread to internal affairs as I'm not sure on the legalities and afiliations with this site and XDA developers. Once a decision has been made I will notify you again via PM

Rick
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jiangruibing:
Maybe you should switch back the name to downloadr.com and work with it without the affiliaties with XDA until they decide, so the work can continue...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I can continue working regardless, but yeah, I might just change the name.. I have both domains, so it's not a huge problem... But I'll wait and see what the mods say...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jaxbot:
My 2cents: Making it affiliated with XDA developers, or more, not making it affiliated, would just make this any other download site (eg freewarepocketpc, etc).

If it was affiliated with XDA, it would probably attract more users, and more devs to use it.

/2cents
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Seems like the mods in general do not see the need for a site like this, so I'm moving towards changing the name (although they state that they can't really prohibit it). I'm not interested in offending anyone, so if the mods/admins of xda-devs see this as a bad thing for this site, I'll change the name :)

Oh, and by the way. Freewarepocketpc etc, are all ad-bloated and impossible to navigate... I promise you, this will not be "just another download site" :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Heimiko:
freewarepocketpc just released a WM client of their own ......

http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/opnmarket/

cought this on wmpoweruser.com
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Looks nice :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tonycosta:
i always thought that site was full of rubbish :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
it is.. :) That's why I'm not really that discouraged by their application :p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fards:
the opnmarket is developed by Joel, one of the moderators on here, and the site is full of all the apps you're talking about anyway !

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=513503

why not just work with him to progress development on that one rather than continually going round in circles?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tonycosta:
although i just had a look and theses a few bits on there that i did not notice before :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] chilly phil:
Hi I tried to visit the new thread and got this message-

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

chilly phil, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?

If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Any idea why?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
That's why :)

Just keep the discussion going in this thread for the time being :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keith43:
I tried the link on another page, but the site seems to be down now?

Edit: Well the logo is back up now! Not sure what happened, but it looks good. Any update on the development of it?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] chilly phil:
So should I just post a message here every few days to keep the discusion on the first few pages?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I'll be posting some status tomorrow along with some general information :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] xenept:
Good man!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
Sounds good.

Thanks :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] djngal:
there are loads of people waiting for updates in this thread.... :o

including me... :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
I will just say, the opnmarket app is xtremely good, so this is gonna have to have an incredible wow factor guys ;)

Still, I think we can pull it off :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hgood1001:
why make things harder than they realy are?

Wouldn't be much easier if in the marketplace where applications and just evrey application had its own info about with what is combatible. The users would be able to search only the category of the application and tin he site won't be so easy to find what you want but it will have everything and it will be much easier to organize the site- otherwize the project will become very difficult and i'm afraid that the project will slow down if not deadend prematurelly. What do you think. Lets keep things maximum simple so the project will be easy to go on and LIVE ON.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] benzenith:
I think its important to choose our phone and have ONLY app for this phone OR the first criteria is screen size compatibility.

Maybe just have a list of phone which are compatible.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fruchtfliege:
I agree this. filtering by screensize / model would be awesome!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Status Update!

Alright guys, I promised you a status-update yesterday, so here is a (belated) update:

1. I'm gonna need more time before I can open up for Alpha-testing. Sorry about that. What I have made so far is the following:

- Everything for setting up content on the Admin-side. Adding OS'es, Phones, manufacturers, specs for phones, editing categories and so on. - done

- Adding new projects, releases - done.

- Adding screenshots - done

- Listing apps - done

- Registering as user, logging on done

What needs to be done:

- The front page is 70% done. Still need some lists showing latest downloads/most downloaded, news and stuff like that.

- I just received some design-specs for the project landing page, so that shouldn't take me too long to whip together.

- Finishing the filtering-engine - 50% finished

- Finishing the authorization-module for the external API - 30% finished.

That's what I can come up with off the top of my head right now. It's been a crazy week for me, so I haven't gotten around to do as much as I was hoping. But it's moving along :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
Thats great news, your doing a fantastic job :)

but take your time, and dont let it consume your life :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] X-BLADE™:
Great, thanks for the effort.

Looking forward to it!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] djngal:
i think this thing is gonna fly!! :D

i just dont understand why admins of xda-devs dont wanna affiliate with this site.. :confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
There are many reasons - all of which I understand, but none of which I'll talk about here. Maybe in the future, but for now we'll just have to do it on our own - which I have no doubts we'll manage :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] arturobandini:
yngvebn,

Thank you for your fantastic job. It's a great project.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mitchel_89:
I cant wait m8
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dlaponin:
just got through reading all this just one word WOW

yngvebn this is a massive effort and hats off to you for under taking this huge project! I would love to contribute in anyway i can. i can provide some logo/bars etc design. And would most definetly donate even though i know you've said that this is not the reason your doing it but i feel you would need to be rewarded for your GREAT work and would encourage other people to do the same.

ofcourse i have to say this (even though your probably sick and tired of hearing this) but when alpha testing becomes available i would love to be on the band wagon.

keep up the top job
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Thank you so much for your comments everyone! They are what really motivates me to do this!

Since people apparently think I need a donate-button for this, I've added one in my signature, but:

- I am still not doing this for profit or money

- I'm not gonna stop doing this even though nobody donates!

- The only reason I put one up there is so that you who feel like donating is a way of showing appreciation or motivating me, can do just that.

If you feel like donating, please don't empty your bank-account for this project.

There are more important causes in the world, like the victims in Haiti - so if you're torn between my project and Haiti, please give it to them instead :)

Thank you for all your support so far! :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pongster:
Excellent stuff buddy! Can't wait to give it a whirl! Cab heaven awaits... =) Tweakers Dream...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pongster:
2 Words... Game Changer

Okay, maybe more than 2...

I am truly excited for what this will bring to the table... for a tweaker who searches and downloads everything to customize my device this is a dream fulfilled...

(In fact, when I was on the iPhone, I was as excited to see something like this when saurik came out with Cydia...)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DarkAngelFR:
If you need any help on programming I'm not far ;)

(ASP.Net, .Net CF and many more (sql, vbs, asp, html, ...))

I'm not really a "design" guy but for technical stuff I'm here for this kind of project ^^

If needed more backend stores I have a pretty nice connection at home so.....
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Could be interesting in regards to the WinMo client, but I'll let you know when the API is ready for testing :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DarkAngelFR:
No problem... I can beta-test it when you wants ;)

I have everything needed on my laptop for winmo 5, 6 and 6.5 development, I have HTC Diamond (6 or 6.5 I can reflash) and Touch Pro. Got a friend with the Cruise and others with Touch. I also got a friend with iPhone so I can easily compare "performance" side (yeah I like the iPhone, it's not a phone for me but for some users it's really nice device and I love to compare perf when developing on my winmo devices)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ernonewman:
Couple of suggestions

1) Put your plans up on some kind of project hosting site, Google code, Gitorious, Sourceforge, launchpad, hell even Codeplex :p Keeping track of all the plans, feature requests, bugs, etc. must be a nightmare. My head started to spin after reading up to page 15, so I just gave up and skipped to the end. I'm not saying release the code yet but a central place for project management would be a help and make it easier for people to contribute and review designs. A forum in no way to manage a project.

2) This has been said before but I think it's worth saying again, get the opinions of Senior XDA admins somehow, if it's going to be associated with XDA in anyway it's better to get them on board sooner than later;

3) For this point you prob would have to get point 2 done first. If you can integrate with the XDA, just for authentication. I'm not familiar with vBulletin but if it has a API of any kind of the XDA admins can provide a login service it would be a great. You can store all the user's info separately on the App store DB you're building, but I already have a XDA login, why do I need to create another one? I don't think it should be a requirement, to have an account to download app but considering a lot of people on XDA flash their phones often it would be good if they could get the setting back easily, especially if something goes wrong.

4) Are you taking into consideration that some people of XDA have multiple phones, especially one very specific group of people you're targeting, Developers! So maybe allowing more than one phone per account? I'm sure you could do something like store the hash of the device ID or something that helps to identify the device. I suggest an unencryptable hash as I'm sure no wants a DB of device id's that could possibly be hacked and let's face it, any system is potentially hackable, just ask the guys at Google, MS, Adobe and who knows who else can be hacked, then it can happen to anyone ;)

5) Each app or version of an app should have a link to where the user's can get some support for it. This will most likely just be a link to a forum thread on XDA but that should be good enough.

Ugh, what a long bloody post, I'll be happy to help if I can, I have .Net website programming experience but I don't remember seeing you mention what you're doing the programing in. I have a Touch HD and if it turns out that the Euro version of the HD2 is upgradeable to WinPhone7 then I'll have one of those in the next month and a half as well :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
I guess if I had some sort of issue/features/faq-page for this, you'd know that most of these questions has been answered :)

I'll get something done, but atm I'm having pretty good project-management control right here on my PC :)

Just to make that clear also, I might or might not release the source-code. I haven't decided this yet and it will be depending on the amount of work needed to keep this site up and running. I might just share it with a select few. ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ernonewman:
That reply was quick:D. While the choice is yours, for this kind of project it's my opinion that some kind of open-source model is best, I'm not saying allow everyone commit rights but it helps keep the project alive and with people submitting patches, you can selectively choose what to apply and you get a good idea of someones coding skills before allowing them to be a trusted developer on the project. If you don't decide to go public with the source though, at least put up a private wiki for the developers to keep track of things. I'm sure it's a common know fact that developers LOVE writing documentation :p

One more thing that I thought about. Instead of re-inventing the wheel, perhaps you could think of using App2Date or some kind of implementation of it for updating apps.

I'm sure it should be obvious but like everyone else I'm looking forward to this. Like everyone else on here I probably get 80% of my apps off XDA but a lot of them don't make it onto my phone because I keep forgetting to copy the cabs off my PC and onto my phone :p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
All valid points :) It'll probably be in the vicinity of what you suggest, but at least I want to get a working site up and running.

To break down the "App2Date"-concept for you:

- Each project has one or more releases (v. 0.2, v0.4, v.1.0b etc)

- When a user clicks download, the download is registered on that user, and with the releaseId in question.

- When the user logs on it simply checks if the release he/she downloaded is the most recent.

The api-function is called getNewVersions and takes a projectId or nothing (returns newest version for all the users downloaded apps, if any).

A user can choose to remove apps from his/hers apps, hence it will not be included in the reply from that API-function :)

(Reason why I'm replying quickly is because I have subscribed to this thread, and I'm sitting developing right now and have my gmail on the other screen :))
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
Small Faq online!

I added a small Faq on xda-downloads.com. :)

I will add more Q/A as they come.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Redeyedrichard:
Only just discovered this thread. Amazing project. I will definitely contribute to whoever needs funds.

Keep up the good work gents.:p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Fdo35:
You should use OpnMarket. Just go to http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
It's annoying that it lists all applications for all kinds of phones regardless. I'm putting an end to that with this site :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] br3nt:
Go yngve Go! ^^

just a little pat on the back from me, there there, back to coding now! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] c8zola:
take ur time and make a site which is very user friendly :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lukohtchd2:
awosme, i excited to see this will love mt leo lots more :)

keep up the good work
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ianhd2:
Truly hope this materialises, good luck and looking forward to using it

Keep up the excellent work yngvebn

:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
It's materialising more and more every day. A quick update so far:

- API Core - done

- Adding projects with multiple releases - done

- Creating a dynamic faq for projects done (the one on the holding-page is generated like it will be for projects)

- Rating-system - done

- Commenting - done

There are still stuff that haven't got the design finished, but most of the core functionality is now working properly. Shouldn't be long for some testing to commence :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keith43:
Great progress, can't wait to test!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] anmghstnet:
Just a suggestion

Please make sure that if a user browses to whatever URL you end up using on their phone there is a mobile version of the site.

Even if it requires that you download an app to use the site this is just a usability thing for me.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bowpay:
Hey guys I just created XdaRoms.com which is a xda-developers.com rom search utility. It has really taken off. I would love to work on a mobile market place for xda-developers community.

Would this be web based or app based? The first release to market would be much faster if it were web based.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] julienrl:
just curious, how will people update their cabs?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
To answer a few questions...

Yes, a mobile web-site will be made to support all phones before proper applications are in place. :)

Yeah, I've had a look at xdaroms. Great initiative, as I'm not going to host roms on my site. Only applications

It will be both web and app-based. First off a web-site to get things started, but the API is open for all users to interact with, so anyone can create marketplace-apps for their phones. The API is simply based on web-requests returning XML-data, so no platformdependencies either.

Log in - My profile - Projects - Click "Add new release" next to the project name :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Magnus1992:
When is it done?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
it's done soon.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
Goody! :D, Cant Wait ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
hehe... Me neither :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] [★]:
Me neither ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jammie_1989:
Is this going to be like Microsoft. By this I don't mean sh*t I meant that there will be a program created so that you can search and download ect from the actual phone?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] julienrl:
lmao! love that clarification Jammie. From what I understand, yes, that is exactly what it is on top of having a web portal instead of having to search through the forums.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yngvebn:
hehe, second that. :)

Yes, you're correct. And it will also be possible for anyone who wants to develop applications utilizing this sites data, so hopefully we'll see some nice apps evolving over time :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jammie_1989:
That sounds great then. The OpnMarket one is pretty cr*p as well to be honest. Would really like to be involved in the creation of this but unfortunatly I have no idea how to even create a website never mind the apps to put on it. Microsoft are idiots for even bringing out a Marketplace which last time I checked had under 300 apps lol Jokers. Think they need a reality check if they think it will ever compete will apples app store at the current rate of progress lol. Just look at the new Tony Hawks Vert game think its a version from the Nokia 3310 which they made in colour £4.69 WTF haha

Would also like to add that I have renamed Marketplace on my phone to Sh*tplace :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Electzik:
OMG :eek::D

You make me laught because of the ****place and the Tony Hawks game :D

I agree with you Marketplace is not really good because of his lack of applications and the fact that we can't install on storage card, but OpnMarket is not as bad as this...

Anyway I can help for design of XDA-Marketplace, for example to make nicer icons for applications.