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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mad_style:
HotFix exacerbating Outbox error

Okay, I must admit as a big SMS user I'd only experienced the 'Outbox' error a couple of times but wasn't too concerned by the reports of the error.

However as it had happened before I was keen to install the HotFix to remove the risk of this happening.

Since I installed the HotFix I've encountered the 'Outbox' error far more often and for me personally, it seems the so called fix has made the problem much, much worse. :mad:

Does anyone know if removing the HotFix in fact removes the HotFix entirely and puts it back to how it was previously (where I rarely encountered the error).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] zenkinz:
you should be able to uninstall since the hotfix is basically overwriting the rom files with the newer build version of the htc messaging executable files/libraries/images
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pphuck:
I'm not sure I'm correct, but:

1) With 3G/Data Connection inactive, I can always send SMS.

2) With 3G/Data Connection active, SMS sometimes get stuck in the Outbox.

The reason I think this is so is that anytime I'm using WiFi, and the 3G/Data is inactive, I can always send SMS without problems.

After installing the fix, it seems like I can send SMS with 3G active, but only for a while... then I need to soft reset to be able to send SMS again. Also, when I send a new SMS, and it goes through, the other SMS in the Outbox are also sent.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] insaned:
This is TRUE for me too.

It works fine ONLY on GSM, even with hotfix.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tnyynt:
Try instructing SMS messages to be sent via GSM instead of GPRS in Advanced Network settings.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Jibreil:
Quick Note: Folks buying their phone from India with pre-installed 1.48.720 ROM DON'T need this FIX. Installing this fix causes problems later on.

Using the phone for long hours, SMS's that are sent do not reach the destination. SMS's start going after doing a reboot. This wasn't a problem at all prior to applying the HoTFix.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] insaned:
Will try this now and let you guys know.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pphuck:
This was set to "GSM prefered" on my HTC HD2 and ever since I changed it to "GSM" only my SMS has passed through without any problems.

Settings -> More -> Connections -> Advanced Network -> SMS

I'll be keeping this setting until HTC comes out with a fix that actually works.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Major_Sarcasm:
I'm in the UK with a SIM free HD2 and I've installed 1.48.405.2 (71294). I wasn't getting a specific problem with sending SMSs but I installed the hotfix as I thought it would likely be a good thing.

It caused my SMSs to sit in the Outbox (accessed by switching to 'traditional' mode). After a reboot, they would send. I've since uninstalled the hotfix and my problems have gone, now SMSs are sent immediately. If I've no signal, I get an exclamation mark next to the message but the message is sent as soon as I have a signal again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] insaned:
I confirm.

For a couple of hours now of hard use, data connections, phone calls, wi-fi and seems to be working good so far....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] zenkinz:
I observed that the setting in Advanced NEtwork settings has no effect for HTC messaging, which has its own setting to determine WCDMA or GSM network to use when sending SMS.

In anycase, using GSM only doesn't work, as observed by many people here in and outside of the forum.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] frostmourne:
i shall try this out, im in malaysia right now, with 1.48 WWE ROM, applied the update for SMS already.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] z424z4:
I second that.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pphuck:
This is a network option, not a messaging option.

Works perfectly for me, haven't had a SMS stuck since I changed.

I'm on ROM 1.43.413.2 SVE.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] frostmourne:
first day of usage, no problems, more than 50+ sms sent, so good so far
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] zenkinz:
obviously I know this is a network option, I'm just pointing out that the HTC messaging has its own network registry setting.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pphuck:
Three days in, I've had to soft reset once to get SMS unstuck. I think I was a bit too quick to call this "perfect".

What's the name of that registry setting? *curious*
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Fantastica:
We all need to spam HTC's support department with e-mails about this problem. It's unnacceptable. Bloody hell, the HD2 should be the best SMS device in the world.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DexyG:
One thing I've noticed the SMS fix DEFINITELY does is capitalise the first word in each sentence.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] R3dD3vil:
the sms hotfix is broken

after applying the hot fix and reapplying it at the advice from HTC support my sms messanges still get stuck in the outbox. this is bugging me big time, after spending all that money on the device :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jimhaddon:
For me, this hotfix has made a big difference. Before this, I had to type in messages reallllly slow else the device would miss letters or spaces. After the fix, I can type as fast as I want and it seems to work fine!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] FordPrefect:
Guess I must be blind ... I can't locate this setting :-( Using a German ROM, and if I go to "Settings", I can see a list like "Personalize", "Radio Settings" etc. To the bottom right I have "Menu". There is no "More"! ... So, where to find "More -> Connections -> Advanced Network -> SMS"?!?

Any hint is appreciated!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] -Mav-:
I downloaded this .exe file and tranfered it to my HD2 through USB. Did not use active sync or anything like that. I try to use the .exe file through my phone while its on my SD card but get the error that "cannot open file. either not verified or missing components. try downloading the file again" or similar.

Do I have to use active syns program in some form?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ripnard:
On UK this is under Settings TAB on Manilla than on Right Button it says "MEnu". Click this and it only give you one option in menu in UK called "all settings" - Click this and it takes you into the full settings menu.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] -Mav-:
Anybody? Would appreciate any help.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Finzzownt:
Tried it too, since I experience same SMS stuck problem. After applying hotfix, SMS still get stuck randomly and randomly they get sent, either if you send an additional SMS, or after a power off/on, but with stuck SMS and driving thu different networks (I commute about an hour and a half), does not trigger sending the stuck messages.

Just sent an SMS an bang arrived immediately (darn, demostruction effect).

Changed setting from GPRS Preferred to GSM only (using dutch original 1.48) and SMS again was sent immediately, buggum again, why is it OK now?

So changed setting GSM preferred, bang! message sent (sigh)...

Changed setting back to GPRS Preferred, whoppa, SMS sent (raaaa)

Checked setting again...uhhh..GSM only? Sure I set it to GPRS Preferred, well, no bother, set it to GPRS Preferred again, hit OK and X couple a times...wait, go back, check it again, yeah, it is still GPRS Preferred, at least it's not me...or is it...

Send SMS and swing! SMS arrived again!

Checked setting, errrr...GSM only??? Now I'm really sure I set it to GPRS Preffered, I even checked it!?

Did above three times. Set to GPRS Preferred, hit OK and X several times, then go back and check setting, all OK. Send SMS, check setting again, back to GSM only

I guess I'm crazy, cause computers always tell the truth, although, that's what I'm told by the desk clerk at city-hall...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kinnyfaifai:
I applied hotfix and it was working fine until new years, I've now had the same problem where it does it randomly. The only thing I changed was to get it automatically detect network (I had is set manually to O2). Changed it back and so far it's been ok.

Try manually selecting your network and see if it does it randomly again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] suicidal.banana:
applyd fix maybe a month ago, thinking it worked since, but just found out it still randomlly hangs (i dont sms much) ffs...

any chanche someone can tell me if the sms 'quality' improves when using a new(er) radio rom?

i currently have rom 1.43.404.1(70124)NLD and radio rom 2.04.50.22_2

any info/help/opinion is much appreciated
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] TheRealBnold:
I can tell you what that update did for me, it made cfc_gui stop working :mad:

I can no longer mod the slider icons...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Starfury:
To be fair crystal call quality is a two way thing. Both ends have to be good.

I get crackly bit when talking to my wife when she is on her mobile. But when she is on a landline it is crystal.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mamat129:
apparently theres a new sms function update jus uploaded thru their SEA web.:confused:

i cant post up the link here cus im a new user and thus im not allowed to post links. u guys gotta go check it out. downloaded mine but yet to upload it on my hd2
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] harky:
it also dont fix my timestamp issue too
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] novalistic:
Good News !

New SMS hotfix had released. (08007.exe)

Copied to HD2, run EXE . . . took about 3 mins to installed . . . Reset.

Test out few time with interval . . . Look Okay.

Hey, Guys. I think the SMS problem resolved. Btw . . . will keep trying . . .
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] maximus_N_:
Jep, after the install of the hotfix the load issue is gone.

manilla 2.5.19211619

rom 1.48.404.2 NLD
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] blackheart2925:
well...am from India, and sms here has that "getting stuck randomly problem" rebooting does not help, i have delete all the the queded messages one by one and empty outbox...then sms's start going...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bel_z_bub:
I tried to install the today hotfix.. at first it installed.. then the phone freezed fro a long time and then crashed and restarted by itself.. when I checked it's not in my hotfix list and when I try to install again it tells me I have an Incorrect device...??

anyone experienced this? or maybe knows how to remove a half installed fix without hard reset?

now the font in HTC Messages is really big.. even on smallest setting..

nice hotfix.. my whole phone is screwed

edit: I removed the Messaging_Client_Version key from HKLM\Drivers\BuiltIn\Hotfix now it's installing again.. fixed!!! phew..! I just finished from another hard reset.. I was just about to give up.. :) wait now the sms notification stopped working.. I give up..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Jaron:
anyone has a mirror? i cant seem to download from the official website.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pda_crazy:
New Hotfix LEO08007.exe

Just now I Installed this Hotfix on my HD2. It took around 2 minutes showing me message "Installing.. Please wait" and then phone restarted automatically.

I cant find this hotfix in my Setting->Applications->Remove Programs (where i can see other hotfixes).

How can i confirm that this hotfix has been installed properly?????

My HTC Messages version is now 1.5 (Build 2011.2130). To check this version go to All Messages -> Menu -> About.

Not sure what was the previous version before this hotfix install.

Could anyone check and let me know if i have this new hotfix installed or not.

Thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] cb1100r:
ver 1.5 200112130 for me too

and this hotfix is not in parametre/application/remove
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] laikmail:
I have a problem with this 8007 hotfix. When I started it I accidently pressed start button, after this I could not get back to hotfix installation screen, I have even tried task manager/switch to. So, I killed installation process. Guess what. I cannot find it in /application/remove and I cannot install it again as I am always getting "This hotfix is not compatible with your device" message. Any ideas what should I do?

Hard reset is not an option for me.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] carina77:
Just as an fyi, if you have a custom taskbar on, it'll mess it up especially the messaging icons (sms, mms, emails)...so, once this hotfix is applied, you'll have to reinstall back the custom taskbars...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] wolfeatingraven:
I installed the hotfix today and i the installation failed on first try it just hung for about 10mins, so i got fed up ended the install and did a soft reset, then i tried again and it worked fine.

The hotfix installation seems bugged, but once you get it working it actually Fixes the problem for good hopefully, so far no problems. I sent a bunch of messages since i applied it and all have sent successfully.

I also noticed that some messages have -GSM after the message, but some don't have any. I figure the ones that don't have any were sent via 3G or HSDPA but not entirely sure, just seems odd.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Aqrab:
i have a custom ROM

can i apply this patch ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ChrisJP:
Haven't installed yet and mine was 1.15 (1992.xxxx) don't remember the last bit, so yeah looks like you've got the new version.

Just installing now though so I'll check again once it's done... presumably I'll also have 1.5 then.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ChrisJP:
Sorry for double post but it appears I can't edit yet... but yeah 1.5 is indeed the new version.

New stuff:

In threaded conversation view it now says how many messages there are for each thread.

Timestamps have been improved and now displayed like dd/mm/yy, hh:mm

There is no longer a massive lag when trying to compose a new message to someone where the conversation has loads of messages already

There are now a lot more options you can configure in the settings menu

Bugs

Still that random bug where for certain contact(s) it will get the timestamps wrong and put their reply above your original text to them.... very confusing and annoying
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] babouin:
just installed the hotfix and was surprised, finally a fluently working device. BUT it happened again the thing that sms are not sent until soft resetting device... very disappointing of HTC support :-(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] nickfinnis:
I have installed the hotfix and note the following:

Despite being a great improvement the following still bugs me:

1. Typing a SMS whilst it loads the whole thread is slightly unresponsive;

2. New SMS doesn't light up the blacked out screen and show the content;

3. Sometimes very jumpy and selects older messages by itself.

But otherwise an improvement.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] nick_manchester:
With the stuck outbox problem... I noticed today that simply going to settings..wireless controls and setting the phone to off, then back on again was enough to get the stuck message to send. A bit quicker than the soft reset, but I'll be glad when HTC finally fix the problem. This seems to confirm further that its something to do with the radio?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Redmen:
Update for HTC HD2 – New SMS Function Update

Releasedatum: 2010-01-14 Categorie: Update

This update for HTC HD2 messaging lets you reach out to your friends and family with instant notifications. Keeping in touch has always been very important, and this update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.

http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=849&news_id=475
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] insaned:
can't download, link not working on official site
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Batas:
The fact that "New SMS doesn't light up the blacked out screen and show the content;" is very annoying.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] webjunky:
this is the old thread from a update of december.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=618127
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] novalistic:
hTC really driving me crazy . . . :mad:

1 few days okay, now the problem came back . . stuck in out box . . .

Worst still . . . the Font Size sort of larger, very large . . . :mad:

If reinstall again, it say . . . Not compatible to the Device . . .

:mad: :mad:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] astrodemoniac:
I confirm that my HD2 still suffers the stuck outbox message issue even after this patch. Let's hope it will soon be resolved.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Liamtheeagle:
All my texts (sent and received, both in traditional and conversation mode) are all now displayed with "- GSM" at the end. So if I sent a message saying "Hi" it is now stored and recorded as "Hi - GSM"

What's the point of this exactly and how do I get rid of it? It's a minor complaint but it seems completely unnecessary.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] adamtheluck:
I get this too, "GSM" next to me my messages.

Where it is annoying at first, I'm used to it now AND it seems to be quicker when loading messages. Fingers crossed the next ROM update doesn't bring about more issues.....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] novalistic:
hTC Hot Fix Updates mentioned about ROM equal or less than Version 1.66.XXX, that mean New ROM coming out? Or should be out before the Fix is being posted out? We shall see . . . :o :confused: :( :p :mad:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Jammie_1989:
My phone has gone a full day without this problem :D I have done a hard reset tho then installed the patch first thing.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Paul Boy:
i Know why

Today i have worked out whats causing the SMS stuck in outbox. its the data connection.

To test do this......

1. View your outbox (Traditional mode) and however messages you have in it.

2. Press and hold the power button until you get the power off, lock device, set vibrate and terminate data connections options.

3. Press the "Terminate data button"

4. After it has terminated, it will go back to outbox screen

5. Watch all of your messages go 1 by 1.

BTW. I have a stock unbranded HD2 with Orange contract sim.

Now how to fix.............well i dont know, but its the data connection thats stopping it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pgatti@hotmail.com:
thats happened to me, only hard reset, and do it all again, i reinstall all the hot fix and thats it.....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Leechoonhwee:
www.htc.com/sea

Just visited the asia HTC site and this hotfix has a released date of 14th Jan 2010. Anyone can verify whether they are the same file or an updated one?

http://www.htc.com/sea/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=297&cat=0&dl_id=849
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] JoyGuru:
Yes, this is an updated file. It fixes the issue of lag when loading messages. Only loads 10 initially; more load as you scroll up.

Also when you are in the 'All Messages' screen, the number of texts you have from each contact is shown in brackets next to their name. For some reason the letters 'GSM' get added to the end of all texts aswell.

*edit*

Oh the GSM tag at the end of each message indicates all messages received 'pre-update'. So all is good!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] amitambika:
My data connection is never open so when I go the power long press option the option to terminate data connection is greyed out. And I still have this problem.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] SOLRAC13:
HTC HD2 messages get stuck in the outbox BUG

it says :DSMS update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging. :eek: But it does not work :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] KB24@CL:
for me SMS has always worked absolutely perfectly.

I tried 20 ROMs on my HD and now many on my HD2 and I have NEVER EVER had an issue with SMS...

could it be that there is a different reason than just the application itself?

I send and recieve SMS instantly, always have.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] SOLRAC13:
Me never had that bug before and 1 month after = 3 days ago I got it :(

Maybe is a virus lol :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] chmun77:
correct. cannot be dued to the data connection. why? because my sending of sms are working fine when i'm using VITO sms app. But is the HTC messaging that is having the problem. Therefore, I think the bug is HTC messaging itself.

Hope HTC will fix it soon. is really disappointing.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] SOLRAC13:
HTC Sms hot fix update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.

Is official HTC pull out the contact fix and the sms fix from there web-site :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Agent_of_Evil:
Hmmm looks like HTC has pulled the last SMS hotfix from the website. Shows how confident they are in it working properly....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pphuck:
I can't find either of the SMS updates on the HTC support page anymore.

The phone is awesome, but all the confusion around the updates is pretty annoying. I think I'm gonna wait for a proper ROM upgrade until I try any more of the updates.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hehe169:
Still not fix yet!

Hi everybody,

I got the hotfix as they release and install it. But still have the same problem for the SMS still not send. But for my experience, I got this problem when I back to home after out of the lift, the signal goes off and on again, then the SMS won't send out. I guess the problem is the message system can't get the connection of the siganl again and still waitng. Hope HTC can check on this case.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] enyaj:
a reply from HTC website on my query about the latest SMS update:

New Response From [ John (SEA Support (Tech)) ]

Dear J*****,

Thank you for contacting HTC.

With reference to your query, this new update has some compatible issue with the HD2. Our technical deparment is doing the test for that. Please kindly wait for another few days.

Sorry for the inconvenience and thank you for your consideration.

HTC

Hotline: 1800 238 7788

Service Hours: 8 am - 8 pm, Monday - Saturday (except Public Holidays)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] xacidx:
i agree... i notice the sms stuck when i am on train underground or lift where the network is limited... not only the sms, my live messenger and htc weather also fail to reconnect back even when i regain full signal strength... i need to reboot before all these can be connected back.... linked?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] edved:
The December SMS update seemed to repair what ailed the phone, but the latest January update essentially rendered the phone completely unreliable sending sms messages.

I used the latest update only bc while I was able to send my messages from the Dec release, the messages rec'd however always arrived with a time rec'd 6 hours earlier than it actually was!

Back to square one. I've had this phone since late Nov and it doesn't evoke a whole lot of confidence in WM nor HTC.

What a pain in a**!