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[Nexus One General] codito:
Only has t-mobile 3g bands, sorry at&t users. Doesn't have an official android build number yet, only internal build numbers. Has new features that haven't been seen in any Android build yet, even the leaked 2.1 ;)
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
That's great news for us tmob's :cool: Do tell us more of what you have discovered :D
[Nexus One General] codito:
All the best stuff's been leaked mostly, only things I haven't read about online are some neat UI enhancements. But I'm keeping my mouth (mostly) shut if I want to continue to know things ;)
[Nexus One General] wonderbread57:
For what it's worth, I asked the chap who took this photo and he responded on twitter:

I would personally be surprised if HTC lent their crown jewel UI to a device without their name on it but I suppose we will find out tomorrow, right mr_notorious?
[Nexus One General] codito:
That's odd, talking to someone who was part of the first set of people to dogfood the phone outside of Android engineers, he says no sense ui.

Also that picture is stock Android.
[Nexus One General] mr_notorious:
Think of it as the love child of Eclair and Hero.
[Nexus One General] xtop:
there's word from other sources saying it comes in both flavors....

not saying you're wrong, but i find it hard to trust anyone at this point :p
[Nexus One General] codito:
An important friend of mine who's been dogfooding it since September (first group of non-android engineer people to get their hands on it) says it's only coming in a t-mobile 3g variety. Wouldn't be terrible if it came in an AT&T flavor too, but I would not count on it.
[Nexus One General] xtop:
figured as much, but will secretly hope you're hearing wrong :hehe:

personally, if they wanted this to really break into the market as an unlocked phone, having att and tmobile was the way to do it. as now i'll continue waiting like everyone else on att for the next android phone

why have so much support for a carrier with hardly any 3g coverage?
[Nexus One General] codito:
T-Mobile's a lot more flexible on stuff like tethering and other things in general. AT&T's very HURR look at how amazing the iphone is! And probably wouldn't put Android up there as a great alternative.

And there would have to be two versions with two different radios in order to support both carriers.
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
There have been rumors (or fact, as stated in the aforementioned WSJ report) that this phone runs a "real" or different version of Android. That doesn't add up as far as we can tell. Based on the pictures we've seen, this is inaccurate. It appears to run a version of Android that looks nearly identical to the version currently found on the Droid (2.0.1) -- Google's latest, most official device. The version number we've heard is Android 2.1, which would not be a drastic departure from 2.0.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/13/the-google-phone-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont/
[Nexus One General] xtop:
lots of reports saying one thing and lots of reports saying another. will be nice when we get official word on it all to clear up all the nonsense
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
Can you at least tell us if the rumors of an update Footprint app and camera app is true?
[Nexus One General] mr_notorious:
That is because people want to keep their jobs.
[Nexus One General] xtop:
i realize and appreciate that, still want it all leaked asap tho :D
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
So, can you at least give us a hint if Sense UI includes a landscape mode?
[Nexus One General] codito:
Engadget's stupid, there are nothing but internal build numbers to base anything off of right now so no one knows what version of Android it's running exactly other than the devs who decide the numbers. And all this stuff about 'REAL android' is dumb and all my google contacts tell me it's stupid crap they made up.
[Nexus One General] priide:
I can confirm there will be a new app draw. It is not running sense UI. It has support for both ATT and T-Mobile 3G bands.
[Nexus One General] codito:
You're dumb and wrong, there's no chip even manufactured yet or invented that supports both.
[Nexus One General] priide:
My eyes tell me other wise...
[Nexus One General] xtop:
moto is working on it http://mobile.engadget.com/2009/12/...odule-with-support-for-atandt-and-t-mobile-u/

but who's to say it couldn't have both chips? they couldn't possibly be that big..could they?
[Nexus One General] codito:
You're full of crap then, 12/10 was the first date Motorola submitted anything to the FCC regarding the chip. The phone's been in people's hands since before September. Guess who's story doesn't add up?
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
If it is true that it only supports T-Mobile's 3G, then can we rule out the whole "selling it unlocked" thing we've been hearing? Or is that still true.
[Nexus One General] codito:
Google is selling it completely unlocked and it'll work on any edge signal internationally.
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
As far as screen size goes... am I right:

HTC Hero > Google Phone/Nexus One > HTC HD2
[Nexus One General] codito:
3.75 inch on the nexus one. Bigger than hero.
[Nexus One General] wonderbread57:
Except switch the > to <. HD2 has the biggest screen and hero the smallest of the three.

This is a bit immature to be talking like this. Let's keep the name calling to a minimum please.
[Nexus One General] codito:
If people would stop posting rumors or lies as fact I wouldn't have to call them on their stupidity.
[Nexus One General] wonderbread57:
Something is fact when evidence is presented that supports it. It's rumor in the absence of evidence. Like it or not, your statements about an important friend dogfooding since september who knows a google phone is going to tmo is as much of a rumor as the things the people you are criticize are saying. We need evidence. So far the only official evidence we have is google's blog post that mentions a "mobile lab", which really doesn't sound like the kind of thing they are positioning for consumers. I wouldn't be blown away if Google went into the phone sales business but it seems far more likely that their nexus one is just another google dev phone like the ADP1 and Ion, which both have become phones sold by carriers.
[Nexus One General] codito:
It's a FACT that there is literally no chip in existence that supports both frequencies. That alone supports my case even if you don't believe me. If Mr. 'I've seen the phone' can tell me what's new about switching between screens on the Nexus version of Android I'll consider he's just mistaken and not just making things up.
[Nexus One General] mr_notorious:
The Nexus only supports TMO's 3G band. But will work with AT&T, but only 2.5G.

Assuming you're going from smallest to biggest (left to right), then you are correct.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
So can you tell us how snappy it is compare to the standard Hero?
[Nexus One General] codito:
"I think it performs better than the droid"

"it's really fast"

Just a couple quotes, it's supposedly extremely fast and smooth.
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
You're right ... so there are 5 contenders for the crown of top android device:

1. Moto Milestone (Pros: keyboard vs. Cons: CPU?, no XDA support)

2. Nexus One (Pros: CPU, no carrier crap, screen size vs. Cons: no keyboard)

3. Acer Liquid A1 (Pros: CPU, no carrier crap (if sold unlocked?) vs. Cons: no keyboard, no XDA support, CPU underclocked)

4. HTC Bravo/HTC Passion/HTC Dragon (Pros: CPU, screen size vs. Cons: no keyboard, only available via carriers?)

5. Sony Ericsson X10 (Pros: CPU, screen size vs. Cons: no keyboard, only available via carriers?)

Latest rumors say that although the current Nexus One "might" only support t-mobile 3g, the plan is for google to also sell an version that support at&t 3g. IF google wants to sell the device unlocked, it would e STUPIDLY RETARDED to only sell it with t-mobile 3g (then they might as well sell it with a carrier lock). at least 850/1900 is supported by at&t, rogers, telus, and some latam carriers. I still hope for quad (or more) band 3g: 850/1700/1900/2100 and maybe also 900.

I assume we will know tomorrow when professional reviewers are likely to go down on this phone like the hammer of god. ;)
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
Thank you...Maybe you guys can tell all the tech site what that their rumors are all wrong? Is the material that it is made of similar to the Sapphire, one of the versions of the Hero, or neither? Can you also tell me if it does have the Sense UI, does it have landscape mode?

I would add to the Pro's for the X10 Sony's generally well rated sq, and better chance of having a good music player standard.
[Nexus One General] mr_notorious:
Nexus supports UMTS Band 1/4/8 (2100/AWS/900)...
[Nexus One General] codito:
It's got like a teflon outside. I was told and all pictures indicate stock Android, no SenseUI. Google doesn't want SenseUI on their phones they design because they designed Android to begin with.
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
To put it into perspective - here's the breakdown of 3g frequencies vs. the number of worldwide carriers using them:

800 - 1 carrier

850 - 31 carriers

900 - 8 carriers

1700 - 3 carriers

1800 - 1 carrier

1900 - 29 carriers

2100 - 234 carriers

=> any "world phone" should at least support the following 3g frequencies: 850/1900/2100. 900 and 1700 would be a nice add-on.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
So does that mean like the Sprint Hero in terms of material?
[Nexus One General] codito:
Never handled a hero before so I couldn't tell you.
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
BTW - if google is using the phone, it must have passed the FCC. Where is the filing for it?

Should answer a lot of the questions currently being asked about it.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
Any way to ask? Can you also say if the market looks like 2.0's market place or is that different? Thanks....
[Nexus One General] codito:
This is what I know; it's coated in teflon. That's what it feels like. If you don't know what teflon feels like go rub a non-stick pan inside haha.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
Oh yeah that is true, so its suppose to be pretty durable I take it. Thanks.
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
So I guess All things digital is claiming that you will be able to get one from T-Mobile unlocked and that Verizon turned it down(maybe for the Droid or possibly the iPhone?) http://mediamemo.allthingsd.com/200...e-to-push-its-nexus-one-phone/?mod=ATD_iphone
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Selling it unlocked WITHOUT at&t's 3g frequencies would not make much sense. Then they might as well sell it locked (since t-mob would be the only carrier with which you can actually use the phone)
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
There is no small, North American, or South American carrier with that frequencies?
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
My bad I meant Hero < Google Phone < HD2 in screen size.

Little update for everyone: http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-photos-android-2-1-on/

Engadget got some new info and photos.
[Nexus One General] Svegetto:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
the leaked pics DON'T show sense ui. You can see this from the "messaging" icon, which is not the HTC SENSE icon, but the pure android 2.0 one. So it seems to be vanilla android i'm pretty sure.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
i think your greater than sign points to the wrong direction

should be more like:

htc hero < Google Phone <= HTC HD2
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
Yeah I noticed after people replied to me!

I was hoping HTC would latch on to the "big screen" ideology behind the HD2, because everyone who's seen an HD2 up close thinks it's sexy as hell. But this phone still looks attractive.
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
There's pics up on android:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/exclusive-first-google-phone-nexus-one-photos-android-2-1-on/

Running Android 2.1

It doesn't look very "special" tbh, infact it's just a standard HTC phone which (like a lot of their phones) they've agreed to supply to a company (in this case google) with no HTC Branding.

TBH I'd rather wait for the HTC Bravo.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
It would be VERY WISE for google NOT to have their own SPECIAL ANDROID version for their upcoming device.

The whole open Android thing makes sense if everybody can participate and use the main branch. If google decides to leave out important new features in order to use them for their own special Android built, it will further fragment the market AND the manufacturers won't be happy to get a "second line" android for their devices.

Google should continue using vanilla Android and work on the UI to get some kind of "HTC SENSE GOOGLE Style". That way everybody would be happy.
[Nexus One General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
agree. The HTC Bravo looks much better and it will have HTC Sense. I can't wait to see HTC Sense on a wvga device with 1ghz cpu!
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
It's nice to see that Google listen to the community, 5 home screens been our pref choice for ages and it looks like they've finally increased the home screens from 3 to 5.
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
Good news for AT&T users as well as T-Mobile users in the USA:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/

Wow! Looks like some speculation of only T-Mobile 3G... turned out to be wrong!

Now everything has changed... if this phone is available on TWO major carriers, it could seriously compete with, if not break the iPhone's numbers. The make or break will be its price point. My prediction: around $499 with Google subsidizing. Anything less will be surprising, anything more will kill this phone's sales.
[Nexus One General] l3it3r:
@ $499, I'm sticking with my Touch Pro 2 a bit longer. @ $299, I'll buy one on day 1.

/dream
[Nexus One General] Shasarak:
So, what are the chances that the Nexus One and the Passion are actually the same device, as opposed to Passion being an alternative codename for the Bravo? This would make sense of a lot of the rumours that the Passion is due to launch in January and the Bravo not until April. It would also eliminate the implausible notion of an HTC phone launching in the US 3 months ahead of Europe.
[Nexus One General] xtop:
engadget is reporting what we all suspected, tmobile 3g only for the nexus. lame

hopefully an att version comes out as well
[Nexus One General] xtop:
http://twitter.com/Floris/status/6664338491

hope there's nothing wrong with me posting that

edit: and just to clarify in case anyone asks, that twitter is not mine
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Update:

Engadget found the FCC filing:

no at&t 3G.

That's a big FAIL on google's part. What's the point of selling the phone unlocked if you can only use it with one carrier?

FAIL!

THAT kills any and all excitement for the phone!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa

How can they be so retarded?

There is 3 (THREE!!) carriers worldwide that use 1700. 850/1900/2100 are the prevalent 3G networks!

800 - 1 carrier

850 - 31 carriers

900 - 8 carriers

1700 - 3 carriers

1800 - 1 carrier

1900 - 29 carriers

2100 - 234 carriers

=> any "world phone" should at least support the following 3g frequencies: 850/1900/2100. 900 and 1700 would be a nice add-on but it's such a small minority!
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
Ultra lame! Too bad engadget misled me in the first place. They got my hopes up!
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
I guess use it as a dev phone #3?

AT&T would not want it because they are on Apples nuts. And VZW is right now tied to the Droid so they can confused buys by bringing out something better.
[Nexus One General] codito:
Supports t-mobile USA and most of the rest of the world's frequencies, so I'd say it's pretty f'in smart of them.

Thanks everyone who jumped to post false info without reading the actual thing that was posted trying to 'prove me wrong.' Looks like in the end I was completely right and everyone else was wrong :)

You spazzes need to chill out and realize it supports more than OMG DUR ONLY ONE CARRIER seeing as there is more to the world than just the USA.
[Nexus One General] galaxys:
Info, pics & latest rumors at tmobnews http://www.tmonews.com/2009/12/more-google-phone-images/

"The Google Phone (Nexus One) wants some serious attention, and thanks to BoyGeniusReport we can drool over more images of this beautiful device. Rumored to hit Magenta on January 5, 2010 with the choice of a subsidized price (again rumored to be $199.99 with a 2-year contract) or retail price, the Nexus One will be the perfect New Years gift! Without further a do I shall leave you to drool. Another image of this beautiful handset compared to the G1 after the break, and don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments! Are you guys diggin’ the Google Phone?"

January 5, 2010 = PASS
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Maybe ****tards need to go over the list of frequencies and how many carrriers use them.
[Nexus One General] l3it3r:
Meh... I was really interested in this. not switching to t-mobile just for a phone, and after the 'experience' of owning an unlocked G1 on AT&T's EDGE network, I'll be skipping this one.
[Nexus One General] codito:
Yes, maybe you should.
[Nexus One General] 10332007:
From what I saw on the FCC thing they only tested the bands for T-Mo but maybe they have other work to do with ATT and their bands. Too soon to tell IMO.

If it does not come to ATT I will probably be leaving them. No HD2, maybe the Acer Liquid.... and as of now now Nexus... My Fuse is needing replacement lol. Acer is nice and hopefully that will make it to ATT as I hate switching.
[Nexus One General] legend221:
AT&T customer service is trash, reception service is trash and a lawsuit for showing via commercial the truth about the horrible 3G coverage just shows you that they are big cry babies as well.

These points alone should convince you to switch.. oh and its a lot more affordable with T-mobile as well.
[Nexus One General] xtop:
i'm so glad my att service is nothing like the internet perception makes it out to be. been a happy customer for 5 years now with not a single dropped call.
[Nexus One General] codito:
You're far into the minority then, because it's so bad they made an iPhone app for keeping track of dropped calls and ****.
[Nexus One General] treiz:
meh ditto

Ditto, I switched to Tmo for the G1 and I'm breaking contract so that I can get back to ATT. NEVER had a problem with ATT service. My new LG eXpo should be arriving day after tomarrow and I will finally be back on a decent carrier. :D
[Nexus One General] xtop:
and word is now that the iphone is partly to blame. but i am in no way in the minority.

the people with problems are the most vocal is all
[Nexus One General] meatrocket:
BS!

I have to call BS on this one! The Expo was supposed to be released to Premier customers on December 7th but has been indefinitely delayed due to shipping issues from LG. I'm a Primeir customer and checked the website and called Premier support after reading your post. AT&T confirms that it's still not available with no tentative release date. Sorry, you're NOT special!
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Another happy at&t customer here!

Good coverage across the US (not [much] worse than Verizon in my experience and I have travelled through some remote areas) and GREAT 3G (speed/coverage). Verizon gets a little better coverage INSIDE buildings, although I have seen a big improvement on at&t with the 3G switch from 1900 to 850.

Compared to T-Mobile (most co-workers are using it), AT&T is like the second coming. T-Mob's 3G coverage is an absolute joke. Maybe that's why people from t-mobile seem to be fine with a phone that only works on EDGE?

It does not make sense switching to T-Mobile and getting a smartphone in the Americas that does not support 850 3G is retarded: Telus and Rogers in Canada use 850, Telcel and Movistar in Mexico, and it is the 3G network of choice in Latin America (side note: certain fvcktards apparently can't count). In comparison, T-Mobile USA is the only significant carrier WORLDWIDE that uses 1700. Google might as well sell the phone locked.

PS: I have been in contact with expansys on the Acer A1 (initially to clarify the incorrect specs posted on their website for the device). They just emailed this morning that they DO have some great phones that work with AT&T 3G. I just emailed back, really excited, that they should please point me to a single android phone that they are selling, which would work with at&t 3G. Hahahaha.
[Nexus One General] newjaruz:
I am glad I will have the opportunity to use this phone since it is coming to T-mo. I remembered when BGR was saying this was a Verizon phone despite many other sources saying this would be a GSM device from the get go. I feel bad for others who might not immediately have access to this device. Especially AT&T customers because they have yet to taste android.

and about the tmo/at&t argument going on... to each his/her own

but IMO i cant justify paying double what I pay for the same service. I live in the Tri-state area and have dropped maybe 1 or 2 calls since I had my G1.. I can however admit to certain dead zones with almost no signal inside of my school building. But that one dead zone is not worth paying double for what otherwise would be the same service weather it is at&t or Verizon.. or whoever.

I don't need to pay an extra 60-80 a month for 3g access in Juno, Alaska because I wont be going there..
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
Dunno what you guys think of this:

http://gizmodo.com/5427101/the-great-google-phone-conspiracy
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Mmmmmh.

I have at&t.

Admittedly I get a 10% premier discount.

I pay $72.95/month (including all taxes, fees, and all that other crap).

Due to the rollover minutes (and the fact that pretty much everybody is on at&t), I essentially have unlimited calling.

200 texts (push email is better anyhow)

unlimited internet.

world calling plan (for international roaming + cheaper intl calls)

How much do

you

pay?
[Nexus One General] Dombfrsh:
FOR maybe 85 including taxes you get unlimited everything on t-mobile
[Nexus One General] iammorris:
Interesting.. it's NOT just another ADP like the G1 or the Magic.. http://www.dereenigne.com/nexusone/
[Nexus One General] kennethpenn:
http://thenexusone.com/

This blog has the first video up. They say they have one and they're gonna post some videos and such.
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
$85 > $72

So, we have established that T-Mobile is more expensive.
[Nexus One General] legend221:
Network dependability depend exclusively to the place you are attempting the call or access data from and occasionally the radio the phone has installed.

Ive heard way too many complaints about AT&T, not only that but they are almost as expensive as Verizon.... Its a no-brainer who you should pay the premium for and it starts with a "V"
[Nexus One General] newjaruz:
dont be a douche. AT&T unlimited "everything" costs 160 a month. Go to their site and get yourself acquainted.

we aren't asking you what you pay for what you deem sufficient. We are talking about unlimited plans. If a comparison will be made... we have to compare the same thing. You are comparing a very limited plan to a true unlimited plan and bragging about paying a few bucks less? SMH

I am not a fanboy... just a smart consumer.
[Nexus One General] treiz:
meh

LOL! I'm not getting it through ATT premier :cool:
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
I rather pay less than get unlimited "stuff" I don't need.

Unlimited data - check

450 minutes, 5000 (=unlimited?) night/weekend, unlimited m2m - (sufficient for 90% of all consumers) check

texting for people stuck in the 90's - check

Smart? If you are interested, I can hook you up with a supply of UNLIMITED air. Only $50 a month!
[Nexus One General] esincho:
LOL. Ok this thread is gettin way off subject
[Nexus One General] newjaruz:
Will the HTC_ime (htc soft keyboard) work with this phone and this resolution?

and I hope we have other color options.. hopefully black and white a la G1 lineup.