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[Nexus One General] t-mizzle:
The comment above, while harsh is correct up until "3G is irrelevant part".

Some users confuse operating frequencies for being locked or not.

This phone could attract AT&T customers if it had 3G. AT&T will not subsidize this phone. How many AT&T customers are willing to willing to buy one at $530? Maybe a payment plan would help for those who can't afford to drop the money on this phone?

Does covering more GSM frequencies really entail putting in another radio?

Google could have nailed everybody by covering all US 3G frequencies. But they would have had to eat up a significant portion of the price.

If they could have sold this at $249 unlocked now, mass hysteria. Also, they are a bit late with the launch, they could have set a higher selling price 4 weeks ago as the consumer's buying power dips after holidays. Oh what could have been.

But don't worry, because Apple is going to do the very same thing that google, as of today, will miss out on.

Apple will launch the new iphone with AT&T but they will change the contract so that they can also launch a CDMA with Verizon. Apple must be hurting to address such a large customer base with virtually no other phone even being close to competing, as of now. I do hate Verizon though, despite having best coverage, their services are expensive but they crossed the line when I was told they disable uploading custom ones and force customers to buy ring tones from them.
[Nexus One General] efenili:
From all your other threads and they way you blinding suckle at Apples TEET it is obvious that you are an iPhone Fanboy so I will consider you taking my comments with a grain of salt....but anyways

1. Yes it does involve putting different hardware into a phone in order to use the frequencies of different carriers. Either an entirely other phone or a thicker phone would be needed. This is more of an AT&T fail if anything as everyone knows AT&T is also Apples ***** and won't use Android until they lose exclusivity.

2. The iPhone is dated and has plenty of competition from several phones, not just the Nexus One, and the only people that don't realize that are the idiots who will blindly go anywhere Apple does. Sure the iPhone 3GS is a great phone, but it is hardly the end all. You have these claims about the "Next iPhone" which there is absolutely ZERO info on yet you already say it will beat everything. Maybe it will, but its obvious it doesn't matter if its a brick to you so long as it comes from Apple.

The ONLY thing it has above others is its large App market, but Android has already chomped up most of that. By the time the next iPhone comes out 5 more Android phones will be released and by the end of the year 20 new Android handsets will be released each one faster and more impressive than the last.

I expect some kind of flamed omg you're an idiot response but I figured it had to be said.
[Nexus One General] t-mizzle:
ROFL couldn't be further from the truth. I am not an iphone fan at all but I have to be objective about it's performance and nobody knows what the next one will be like.

If there is a company that could, right now, launch a phone that operates on all US 3G frequencies, it would be Apple. I turned my back after the 2G one and wouldn't sign up with them ever again. But let's not be ignorant here. The last one is still a damn good phone despite all the shortcomings and leashes it comes with. The next one will only be better.

I'm merely throwing out what Apple might do. If indeed it's highly unlikely to incorporate more operating frequencies, Android and others are dodging a big bullet. You can't possibly sit there and tell me Apple wouldn't do what I described if they only could.
[Nexus One General] kam187:
Its actually the antenna design that makes it difficult to support so many frequencies AND keep to a small form factor
[Nexus One General] bfspider:
Hey,

I saw this last night on BGR:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/01/02/google-nexus-one-to-rock-out-on-att/

I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens tomorrow! :)
[Nexus One General] brummiesteven:
I don't think networks need to be part of the Open Handset Alliance to supply android handsets.

Both 3 and Orange offer the Hero in the UK and aren't mentioned on there.
[Nexus One General] illutionz:
Did you research before venting??

Nexus One comes with UMTS band 1, 4, and 8. As far as I know, "3", Optus, and Vodafone are Aussie carriers with UMTS band 1 (2100) which is probably the most common UMTS band deployed in Europe and Asia Pacific...

Also it's 3 out of 4 Aussie carriers and even Telstra is able to cover 2100 by roaming to "3" network

Easy google search "nexus one fcc" reveals this information if you would stop being angry for no reason and start googling for facts

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/

So... with this fact from FCC, it is proven that nexus one is actually covering almost all Europe/Asia/Oceania and some Americas.... The only real people who got shafted is AT&T and Latin American countries.... Clearly they're the ones who matter for you... Personally for me, I live in east coast and T-Mobile coverage is great + I don't travel to Latin America BUT I travel to Europe/Asia originally from there.

In the light of your baseless argument, I am so tempted to say that I could give a jack **** about people who can't use 3G with Nexus One because I can!

This is however, a juvenile argument just like yours and remember the world doesn't revolve around the need of a group of people....
[Nexus One General] illutionz:
Yup definitely not...Verizon is not in OHA and they have the Droid. I think, however the carriers on OHA might get preference to release newest technology (eg: T-Mobile with G1 and N1)
[Nexus One General] illutionz:
Very true... I paid around $450 for http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_e700-558.php before I moved to US... Now I think that $299 for iPhone is expensive.

Nexus One, however, has reignited my appetite for unlocked/unbranded/no contract phone once more :D
[Nexus One General] spankee:
3G frequencies worldwide

Judging by this handy site, looks like 3G 850 is not really too big at all.

link: http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html

Maybe Google knows what they are doing....
[Nexus One General] efenili:
I like the thoughtful response and makes me won't to tone mine down, but it is what it is :)

Thing is any company can make a phone that operates on all frequencies, but like I said it would change the form factor. This was the exact reason the big G gave for not including the ATT frequencies. They claimed it would add 2-3mm to the width, yes IMO not enough not to do it. As I am ATT and wish I had 3G.

I admitted the 3GS was a great phone. That being said the advancements from the original iPhone to the 3GS were basic at best. Who is to say the next iPhone is gonna be so amazing? Other than the marketing hype they know how to build.

Apple could do lots of things....I am not ready to give them the benefit of the doubt though. Android is developing quickly and it has the advantage of having several very experienced handset makers backing it right now with some amazing hardware coming out.

We'll see. Will Apples next phone be a success? Probably...even if it doesn't deserve it. The days of "Oh it is an iPhone killer" will soon come to an end and people will start to realize the vast amount of amazing phones out there that not only easily compete with whatever Apple releases but will beat it at many things
[Nexus One General] seraph1024:
I hope apple's next phone will be a success. I have my money in apple. I am also going to dump some in google so I will hope that Nexus line will be a success too. At the end of the day, that's what matter. Nothing else. Just use the phone you like. No one will stop you. :)
[Nexus One General] t-mizzle:
I got you. Now that we triangulating each others arguments we are realizing that we are no on a collision course :)

Apple will have another seller, most likely, whether it's good or not. I would be surprised if they don't take an aggressive stance. Whatever the reason may be for a lack of a "universal radio" in today's handset's, Apple is powerful enough to overcome it.

I guess my point is I would be surprised if they don't try to crush the competition by waiting out the AT&T contract and then launch for them and Verizon as well.
[Nexus One General] unchainedrssr:
I don't really understand why there are so many negative reviews for the N1. The iPhone/AT&T followers are all stuck on multitouch but the rooted G1 has been able to use multitouch for quite a while. The iPhone has only recently been able to multitask yet AT&T commercials suggest that its something exclusive and new. The G1 could multitask out the box over a year ago.

Also, the G1 was tethering before Verizon came out with their Myfi device. (I wonder where they got that idea) With all that has been accomplished within the limitations of the G1 handset, the iPhone groupies should open their eyes and realize the potential of what's to come from the Android community once given a handset as powerful as the N1.

Google hasn't "Hyped up" this phone. There hasn't been a single commercial or advertisement! Just those who follow phones and gadgets knew about the upcoming phone. How much does Apple spend on advertising PRIOR to the release of an upcoming device?

BTW a rooted/hacked/jailbroken iPhone can be extremely unstable with very few benefits compared to the android devices. Haters need to be educated in how far the devs have come with Android.
[Nexus One General] HazzBazz:
mmm people do need to stop slating the phone, when the hero came out everyone said that it was a serious iphone competitor, and the nexus one is even better than that! its hardware is crazy...half a gig of ram! plus snapdragon! you wont need a task killer anymore! my sapphire 32b runs most roms great now without linux swap, and blisters when using swap. the nexus could grab an extra half gig from your sd card easily!

Also iphonefanboys and nexus sceptics think...root is already aquired for the nexus one, and cyanogen, all heralded hero of android, has build multitouch into his latest kernel and roms. I a not sure how much this would need to be modded for the nexus one, but when cyanogen bases his roms of eclair and eventually flan, we could get some serious integrated multitouch. Another biggy is the multitouch keyboard, which although bloody annoying for a device which isnt really designed for one handed thumb prodding, can be overcome but Swipe, which is out in wvga beta.

Engadget liked it. It does have looks to kill and better functionality than the iphone, we just need a better music app and we're ahead really. Android is open and will be able to run all roms as an when they service. This is exciting and keeps the iphone in bed. The camera is obviously better from the posted shots, but multitouch will be needed (come on european version or milestone port!!!).
[Nexus One General] bubonik:
Theres a bit of confusion with multitouch. Android has had it at the OS level for a long time now, the problem is that we dont have enough applications that use it. Now if someone made a keyboard with multitouch in mind things would look a lot better.
[Nexus One General] PseudoReal:
I am not sure why everybody is so hot on multitouch. browsing the web with one hand not really possible... etc...

I rather have both options - I agree, but usually I use just one hand to operate my phone and it would be great if the phone can provide botz zooming options: double tap and multi finger zoom....
[Nexus One General] K69:
I dont understand this whole AT&T-frequencies thing.

Am i right that only AT&T is using this frequencies?

Well, the USA is not the center of the world.

Why should they integrate an extra antenna (that makes the phone "bigger" and more expensive)?

The majority of the customers doesnt need this frequencies.
[Nexus One General] The_Stranger:
I would assume multitouch would be critical for some games (would you be playing them) and makes typing quicker (be able to touch two "buttons" very shortly after each other, while the first one hasn't been fully let go of).

Multitouch in a browser seems to me (as a WM user) more of a gimmick which you could well do without (been double tapping to zoom for years now) but might make life more easy if you are gotten used to it.
[Nexus One General] johnnie93:
Anyone that says google has failed for selling it unlocked is wrong!! you should think of the rest of the world and how some countries dont have contracts and bills every month, Like me...and im happy about it :D
[Nexus One General] Funk2641:
Yeah, you're right, but you kinda miss the point:

Most people believe that since the phone is introduced in the US, shouldn't it support both US 3G frequencies? It wouldn't necessarily make it more "expensive or bigger". Don't devices introduced in Europe support Euro 3G? This really isn't about "which country is the center of the world or who gets what"; moreso about convince.
[Nexus One General] K69:
To be honest, i dont know much about the umts-frequencies used worldwide, but arent the frequencies in europe and those used by t-mobile usa the same?
[Nexus One General] Funk2641:
At&t is 850/1900

T-mobile uses 1700/2100 Mhz in the US

Euro 3G is 900/2100

so not necessarily. we do need a universal standard, though.
[Nexus One General] Cuzoe:
First off I'm new here, been lurking for a while so, Hello all.

It seems that many of the people unhappy with the lack of ATT 3G aren't realizing that ATT (and some Canadian carriers) are essentially the only companies worldwide using these frequencies. I understand the point of view that the phone is being introduced in the US, but a choice of supported 3G frequencies has to be made for any GSM phone. Support of both would require two radios and thus would necessarily make the phone both larger and more expensive. I don't know by how much, but people are critical of both form factor and price. Many are already saying $530 is too much.

In my opinion, selling an unlocked device, even introduced in the US, that does not get 3G in most of the world doesn't make sense. How many phones are out there, unlocked or not, support ALL 3G frequencies? I feel Google made the right choice here seeing as how they want to increase Android use worldwide. The rest of the world is a larger market than those on ATT in the US.

And thus concludes my long-winded first post :)
[Nexus One General] K69:
Thanks Cuzoe. Thats what i mean.

From what if heard, you guys in the us are having big problems with 3g.

We have 3g almost everywhere and the speed is not bad (i have ~2,3mbit down/0,4 mbit up).

Ok, we have more population/km². ;)
[Nexus One General] DarkVasyaK:
hell, we don't have 3G almost anywhere :mad:

yep, it's Moscow :cool:

it exists only on some metro stations :rolleyes:
[Nexus One General] DarkVasyaK:
but instead we have WiMax :P
[Nexus One General] seraph1024:
And someone should take a big bat and beat up Sprint for that. LTE people. LTE not wimax. And it's not interchangable (not that easily anyways).
[Nexus One General] DarkVasyaK:
yep, but wimax is pretty cheap, like $30 unlimited usage with a computer and $17 using HTC HD1 :D

but I am waiting for LTE because there no wimax in my village where I have 3 mb/s for $65 and it's awful T_T
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
The idiocy in this thread is unbelievable:

Especially, since people apparently CAN'T EVEN READ.

AT&T's 3G frequencies are NOT UNIQUE!!!

IN FACT: 850/1900 are THE MOST USED 3G FREQUENCIES IN THE WORLD AFTER 2100!!!! 850/1900/2100 gives you pretty much access to ALMOST ALL 3G FREQUENCIES IN THE WORLD!!!!

WITHOUT 850/1900 THERE IS NO 3G in AUSTRALIA nor any GSM carrier in Canada or Middle and South America.

ABSOLUTELY NONE

!!!!!!!!

(And for the idiots pointing to Wind in Canada ... it has NO coverage, NO subscribers and started in December 2009! Let's count them 1 year from now.)
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Only AWS 3G in the Americas =

FAIL

phone
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Hahaha... you're a loser. Verizon is getting the phone in the spring. Now eat it.
[Nexus One General] spb37:
DarkVasyaK,

"using HTC HD1and $17 using HTC HD1", Wow that is much cheaper than wimax here in Portland Oregon. Do people set that up to do all their talk over VOIP. Are you running android on it. Thx for the interesting tidbit.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/10/htcs-first-wimax-enabled-handset-revealed-t8290-from-russia-w/and $17
[Nexus One General] DarkVasyaK:
there is WM, some people use it for VOIP but this phone was not very popular in Russia, maybe because people haven't used to the newest technologies
[Nexus One General] spankee:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html

1900 doesn't look like its 3G in most of those places but GSM/Edge. 2100 is what's listed for most of them for 3G
[Nexus One General] maxawesome:
Saying this is a FAIL is like saying the iPhone was a FAIL because it doesn't support 3G outside the AT&T network.

You still can use EDGE on AT&T if you were masochistic enough to want to use them as your carrier, just like I can unlock an iPhone and use it over EDGE on T-Mobile.

Of course it's not optimal, but that's the price you pay to have the awesome phone on your current carrier.

Ultimately they will have a version that supports Verizon, Vodafone, and I would foresee AT&T signals as well. Obviously HTC designed the phone with enough modularity that the wireless device could be swapped out easily to repackage it for other carriers.

I would even go so far as to say that you may one day be able to buy a replacement wireless module to do the mod yourself.
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
The iPhone has pretty much universal 3G.

Which is exactly what I would want from a supposedly "unlocked" phone.

Why not sell a version with 850/1900/2100 3G? THAT's RETARDED!

TMUS is the ONLY carrier of size that uses AWS 3G in the world.

850/1900 is the 3G of choice in the Americas and Australia/NZ. Ignoring 30+ carriers with 250+ million subscribers? That's STUPID!

And don't tell me that they will bring one out later this year ... then there will the 4th generation iPhone which will probably make this phone look bad again. Hell, it took them 3 years to develop a device that can hold its own against the iphone (although a lot of reviewers have been ****ting on it for being such a clone!)
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
The fact that it doesn't have 850/1900 3G really doesn't matter. How many iPhone's are they selling over there? It comes no where near the figure AT&T is selling here. You're marketing to a select few outside of the USA no matter what the device is, even the Jesus phone. And this is way more of a niche device than the iPhone. It sucks that they don't have 850/1900 3G, but it's not much of a loss or real reason to include it. The phone will sell itself regardless of the carrier (here in the US).
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
Good luck selling the phone.

the whole point of these new smartphones is the internet connection.

TMUS' 3G coverage is abysmal.

What good is a (fast) phone when you are crawling along on the slowest imaginable internet connection, ie EDGE?

That's like buying a $3,000 computer for surfing the internet ... and using dial-up!

If this phone was truly unlocked and available for multiple carriers it would sell much, much better than the TMUS-only approach.

1. It would be the ONLY android device actually readily available (aside from some grey-market imports)

2. There would be no competing android phones. By the time at&t releases their android phones ... the next iphone will be around the corner. And to date, every iphone release has been a bloodbath for competing phones.

3. 250+ million cell phone subs CAN'T currently use the phone (or only with the mobile phone equivalent of dial-up)

4. TMUS coverage sucks in general.

5. current TMUS customers get screwed.
[Nexus One General] uansari1:
Haha...obviously you've never had T-mobile. Unlike the iPhone being constantly kicked to Edge, I'm ALWAYS on 3G and the download speeds are faster than AT&T. You should end yourself and stay out of this forum. There are plenty of iPhone forums around, I'm sure.
[Nexus One General] liamhere:
Please note

ALL ARE WELCOME HERE ON THIS FORUM

thank you
[Nexus One General] Mikey:
I don't see what everyone is knocking 3g on T-Mobile is getting upgraded monthly.

I get 1MB dowload now-a-days easy.

An article this morning: http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home/article/108518/google-phone-vs-iphone-head-to-head

What phone are you using coolVariable?
[Nexus One General] heygrl:
Buying a $3000 computer was your first mistake, you can surf the internet with a $200 netbook. A lot of people have access to Wi-Fi and don't spend their lives sitting on a phone surfing the internet.

"Can't use the phone"? You're clearly misguided. You're just limited to EDGE.

Are you kidding me? AT&T's excellent 3G coverage and network is selling the iPhone?

200 Million pops covered in December with 3G vs 230 for AT&T, yeah.. T-Mobile is way behind with the YEAR they spent launching 3G, I know AT&T just launched 3G last week! Oh wait, they had years headstart and T-Mobile is already closing the gap. Top that with the fact that their 2G network and 3G network operate on totally different spectrum allowing for maximum capacity, of which AT&T doesn't have.
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
You're so dumb ... hahaha.

Well ... maybe you should buy a non-smartphone? Just a thought.

I pitty you if you are happy with EDGE speeds, since you obviously are looking at the wrong class of phones.

BTW - do you know what a metaphor is? Let me explain: the Nexus One seems to be a decent phone ... that is limited by the internet speed when used with EDGE. A really expensive and fast computer ... is also limited by the connection speed when using dial-up. (Maybe you should go back to dial-up or maybe they should totally take your internet connection, so you cannot post BS like the above).

Coverage? got one piece of advice for you: look at the maps! (And try finding the 3G coverage for TMUS.

And I am not even sure what you are trying to say about spectrum? Doesn't make any sense at all. Are you trying to say that TMUS' 3G frequencies are better? BULL****!

Just FYI - due to the nature of the beast, at&t's 3G frequencies are superior to TMUS. 850MHz has way more penetrating power into buildings/obstructions vs. TMUS' lowest frequency of 1700 MHz. In fact ... the expectation can be that TMUS' 3G (once they actually have 3G) will be the equivalent of AT&T's old 3G on 1900MHz.
[Nexus One General] Mikey:
Enough........

The next person that has anything to say about t-mobile or at&t i-phone vs. nexus 1, can take the debate to the general section or even off this forum.

I have not banned anyone since before X-Mas.........my finger is twitching :)

have a great night
[Nexus One General] jubeh:
Isn't this whole thread just that? I think you should just close it.
[Nexus One General] gary.lavin:
So are there any Droid owners here that have switched over? I'm a big HTC fan, current droid owner, wondering if I should wait for an Android version of Leo?
[Nexus One General] firedup:
Fail feckin' thread more like.

Grow up you lot
[Nexus One General] roadrunnerx7:
crap sorry double post
[Nexus One General] tbaker077:
Can you at least tell us if this a dev phone? I know the first leaks of the Dragon/Passion had HTC on it and the button/touch sensitive layout was a bit different.
[Nexus One General] mr_notorious:
It's XDA friendly :p
[Nexus One General] coolVariable:
I certainly am hoping that google will sell a version that supports at&t 3g.

Just search twitter - there is a huge demand for an android phone with at&t 3g.

IMO there are 3 (or you could say 4) contenders for top upcoming android phone:

1. Moto Milestone

2. Nexus One

3. Acer Liquid A1

4. HTC Bravo/HTC Passion/HTC Dragon

The first of those to come out with at&t 3G will be huge! Even if it comes out unlocked (not subsidized by at&t), I would not be surprised if it becomes one of the TOP selling phones.
[Nexus One General] Wishmaster89:
You forgot about Sony Ericsson X10 :)