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[HD2 General] NZtechfreak:
Wow, I think battery life is good considering the screen, better than I expected.

Currently, with screen set to 70% brightness, push email on 0800-1800 with hourly retrieval outside those hours, hourly weather/Twitter update, automatic Quick-GPS almanac data update, I last all day (~0700 to 2300), and still with about 20-30% headroom with the following use:

Push email as per above settings

50 minutes GPS tracking

50 minutes bluetooth on (heart rate monitor)

1-2 hours listening to music

Around 1-2 hours high-drain use (screen on, using cellular data/WiFi/GPS - for example browsing/app use/gaming/watching video)

30-40 SMS

15 minutes calls
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
One simple little trick that I learnt some time ago to preserve battery life is ..........turn down the brightness of the screen display. The brighter it is the more juice gets used.

Get the screen to turn itself off after, say, 30 secs of use. That also helps.

The rest, such as killing off data connections when not in use, etc, you already know.

It never ceases to surprise me at the number of negative comments re battery life. The impression I am left with is that if the battery does not last at least 2 months between charges, even though it is being hammered to within an inch of it's life, then that makes the battery performance rubbish. Anyone ever heard of a battery charger?

It's a really easy to use piece of kit that comes with your device that can be plugged in at night when you are asleep, leaving your device fresh for the morning.

Amazing.

WB
[HD2 General] NetDwarf:
What the heck do you expect from such a phone? The energy management is kinda good and it's the display that kills battery life. You have to get use to it. At least my Touch HD seems to last much longer, but I would never change back.

If you watch a video your battery capacity drops quickly. I estimated 4,3-4,5h of HW-acc WVGA video and 3,5h with a non-HW-acc VGA video. Not that much but it really looks fantastic.

My Solution for this problem is: second battery, extended battery and/or load the battery whereever u can. My normal usage drains 30% of the battery a day, so I get 3 days of normal usage (I'm not an excessive handy user). The standby duration is with 300h not that good, but yeah that means still 12,5 days of standby if I calculated correctly.

The point is, that the phone is that good that I'm attracted to play with it and then the battery life tends to last just a day or less.

I bought a second battery (~22€) just for longer rides. I think it's ok.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
:eek: EEK!, don't come on this forum and complain about the HD2! not allowed. this is now the official HD2 Appreciation society, don't ya know. ;)

I recommend instead you buy some lube oil, massage it into the device, light some candles, play a bit of Barry White, and all will be well.

Then come on this site and reassure all the sensitive souls here that it is indeed the Holy Grail of mobiles and admit you are a Troll for finding a fault with it, and daring to ask about why it does not preform as it says on the tin.

And final advice...In the words of legendary Basil Fawlty... Don't mention the War !..or in this case, the Keyboard!!, I mentioned it once...and thought I got away with it..but no.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
:D Nice one.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
It's a shame most powerful mobiles heat up like nobody's business whilst on full chat these days.....there's no chance of keeping the batteries cool! Still, it's an expendable item and at least you can buy a replacement.....none of this iPhone 'sealed' tin rubbish.
[HD2 General] here4info:
while i find the battery life reasonable with the features this phone has (read screen size, processor speed), it will be nice to get the CPU throttling app another thread is discussing. don't need that 1000MHz running everytime i pick the phone.

On the same notes, how can i check if automatic screen brightness is kicking in?
[HD2 General] omneity:
Stick the phone under a bright light such as a desk lamp and cover the light sensor with a piece of paper.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
It certainly isn't running when I boot my phone up....hardly gives an impression of speed. :D
[HD2 General] precsmo:
are you the first wm phone user? Do you have good experience with phones that has so much specs? Do you use wifi and browse with phone very heavily? If you do, it is really normal that the battery will drain. My Touch HD does the same, it can last a day or 2 or drain like water not more than half a day, it depends on your usage. Try to get a second battery, or even the third one like I do, what is a big deal? It is completely normal.
[HD2 General] c4Lvin:
I don't have a lot complaints on this phone as it meets most of my requirements.about the battery, I seriously don't think it is that bad. for example if you have a car with 1500 horse power and expect it to have or rather 30-40 mpg, don't think it is possible. try to use your local gas station (in this case your friendly charger) more often.move on with your life please.
[HD2 General] jakem:
That might be a little difficult because this battery problem is killing him, LITERALLY :D
[HD2 General] DAMIEN123_666:
i to think the battery is good, i do alot of web surfing at work with it and when i can alot i can be on it constant for 4hours or more in one batch, so this mean the screen is on all the time and as it auto brightness and my works bright the back light im guessing is pretty high most of that time, i also use hsdpa which is also a killer,

any how on a avg day at work i....

#surf net for around 4~6hours

#send upto 10 sms texts

#receive upto 15 sms texts

#receive/make a max of 5mins worth of calls

#40min messing around installing/messing with apps

.....this hole time the back light is on auto and mainly quite bright to cope with the room ambient light, 3g/hsdpa constant on, weather/automatic Quick-GPS every 1hour.

this is between the hours of 5am ~ 5pm and around 5pm my battery is any where between 20% ~ 30%, so im quite happy with this

TIPS BETTER BATTERY:- must do's ive fully tested and it does work,

-charge battery every night all night, leave plugged in from bedtime till morning which is around 6hours for me.

-never take off charge when green led shows, do tip one as u wont get full charge

last tip, with most phones the battery will show 100% for a few hours and then before u know it its dropped to 60% and from their it dies within an hours or so, this is not so with the hd2 this phone actually shows the correct battery life and the battery is even too, by this i mean on my old omnia id use it on a full charge fore 2hours and the battery would show 80% which would make you think u have 8hours left but then all of a sudden the battery would drop to 60% on then after that u have like 30min left lol, at least the hd2 battery evenly discharged so if it takes 2hours to drop to 80% ur battery will last 2hours when u have 20% left.

thank all

hd2 last me 50% longer life then the omnia i had before it, thats a bonus and a great improvement when u consider the screen and smaller capacity battery
[HD2 General] bzdemes:
Battery life isnt half bad considering the power of the phone. That said i have a cheap second battery and battery charger on the way from ebay. That way i can useit like crazy and not worry. There is also a double capacity battery coming out soon though it will stick out and look terrible might be handy for some.
[HD2 General] DonDolowy:
Im only on my third charge of the HD2 and I think the battery life is pretty acceptable. The first day I played around a lot which resulted in 70% drainage in 6 hours. But now it lasts for a little more than 24 hours. I have been speaking for 15 minutes, send ~50 texts, received ~50 texts, used the wireless for 10min and some playing around on one charge.

I think that is very satisfying.
[HD2 General] DAMIEN123_666:
agreed if you use it just as a phone i think ud get 48hours from it,
[HD2 General] Noony:
This is a funny thread!
[HD2 General] mox123:
ok after reading this thread, i have accepted the battery capacity :-)

i wasn't really that annoyed anyway, i love the hd2 !! its a love hate thing you know
[HD2 General] Enonoid:
I was under the assumption CPU throtteling was integrated ??

And about the love hate thing..

I used a MDA vario, HTC tytn, then a Diamond.. I ALL loved and heted the phones.

But the HD2.. Its more love than hate.

Oh and.. about the recharging stuff..

The USB 2.0 spec is that it is doin 100 Millli amps.

The external charger does 1 amp

I notice when i active sync and leave the device connected to the my computer. In about 30 minuts it will tell me the battery is full. After unplugging the device. It will not take long and its back @ only 60%.

I am using the external charger only, sync my device using bluetooth and exchange. And this seems better for my battery life. Im able to squeeze almost two days out of it.

And really. I dont mind to recharge everyday. Because I do now everynight. And I do think its better for the battery.
[HD2 General] here4info:
thanks. its working!

is there any way to keep automatic brightness work between a min and max value, rather than full range. For example i would like the min to be 10% and max to be 40% .. is it even possible with automatic setting turned on?

.
[HD2 General] danielherrero:
Install ROM 1.61...... The battery life in this rom is amazing....
[HD2 General] mox123:
going to give it a go once i get goldcard
[HD2 General] Noony:
This made me try the goldcard & 1.61 I agree, it looks like a big difference on the battery life :-)
[HD2 General] jrvenge:
Whats a goldcard?
[HD2 General] Cobra2:
Wich ROM r u usin ? had a htc hd1 that did the same thing, flashed it with another rom and everything went back normal...
[HD2 General] Noony:
Have a look here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=591239

and here (start from step 10)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=572683

With a specially formatted SD card (use a different one to your normal) you can flash any ROM (as far as I know) on your device. I went from T-Mobile 1.43 to the latest 1.61 and all I can say so far is it's a big improvement! and thanks to everyone here for the help
[HD2 General] rjstep3:
I've started with the HD2 ...

Having come from the HD, I hated the jitter with playback - the latest ROM did something, but not everything, to deal with that problem, but the touchscreen was just not there.

The HD2 has solved those problems, in fact all the problems, with the HD, while introducing a new one of its own - poor battery life.

I have read numerous messages saying that people end up with 30% or 40% or whatever at the end of the day, but that is missing the point. I don't want to turn off Direct Push to save the battery, that is why I have a smartphone, I want the features all there on tap. I remember when I had the Sony Ericsson P series, and I read an article on All About Symbian by someone about when a battery for a smartphone was just too small for you to have confidence in the thing.

I remember with the P900 etc starting a really busy working day at 0800 with a long call with the client about the day's negotiations, then getting on the train to the meeting, checking emails and so on and by 0930 a segment had gone - and you started to think, "this is going to be a long day, will this thing hold out?". It ended up with me having to carry around its adapter, or a cable simply because I didn't have any confidence in the thing's ability to take a working day.

I have exactly the same experience now with the HD2. It's fantastic, don't get me wrong, but HTC badly miscalculated with the battery capacity. I see they are bringing out an extended capacity battery, and I am going to have to get one, even given the extra weight and size. It's ok for ordinay days as it is, but the difficulty and inconvenience of its suddenly giving out, the stress of seeing the battery getting low while in a lengthy meeting, that is not the point of having a smartphone.

HTC is trying too hard to catch up with others - the HD was not a worthy rival to the iPhone because it did not do touch so well and had gremlins like the jittery playback, now the HD2 is let down by poor battery life, they need to take a timeout and just concentrate on getting something absolutely right. At the moment they are coming up with inspired, but fatally flawed, products.

My views anyway,

rjstep3
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] matrix77:
I am wondering if anybody is working or it is planing to port new manila Sense 2.1 to VGA?

There are a lot of roms with Sense 2.5 but these roms are useless on our Diamond due to its RAM limitation, you can't even run iGO or Opera because you don't have enough RAM. :(

It is nice to have that weather-clock on the first tab of the Sense 2.1:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GXFX:
Yes , we´ll.

I am a beta tester from it . Kimi_sae_ireba it´s finishing some cosmetcs issues and the message ordering issue.

regards;

PS: It´s very fast , stable and better than TF3D2.1!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] jamirolandia:
waaa:eek: when the release ?:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Brav0:
To be honest, I think Touchflo3d 2.1 is useless, seeing as there are ROMS with Sense 2.5 that are RAM friendly, fast, und just plain awesome.

DonSalari WM6.5 Sense 2.5
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Private-Cowboy:
What's the matter with Sense anyway? I tested a Sense 2.5 ROM today (that had 55% RAM-Usage after boot, so not too bad) but I can't find something in Sense that would make me want it. Not only do I like the look of Manila-2.1 better, I also haven't seen much that Manila doesnt do.

Besides, Sense was not meant for VGA so a port is always problematic and involves lot of scrolling. I haven't seen a 100% working Sense yet. And on 6.5 it's sluggish as hell.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] matrix77:
COOL!!!

This is very good news!

Hope that it will be very soon!

Thanks a lot to all of you working on it! :)

That means that you can run iGO or other program, only right after reboot because after few minutes there will not be enough RAM :)

I've tried few Sense 2.5 roms and they all have the same RAM problem, and sense 2.5 is also slow on diamond.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] lapy:
i hope sense2.1 will help the diamond to live more...the ram is such a big problem for that stylish piece of technology :(

Will ever HTC release a new rom upgrade? It would be cool but quite irrealistic. But if anyone knows more than me, please relight my hope :p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] basthet:
Have you given the newest manila 2.5 ports a try (only the one for WM 6.1 of course)

Just try the one without the new Message client but the modded one.

Check out the new Gen.Y Roms.

I use Opera all day long.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Private-Cowboy:
The Diamond has more than enough RAM. It's just that the HTC UIs suffer from piss poor coding. The amount of RAM a simple UI replacement eats up is simply laughably huge.

You can always cry for more RAM to compensate for lack of efficient coding. I prefer some solid and efficient programming though. My old X500 only had 64MB RAM and I could easily have SPB Mobile Shell and iGo at the same time and sill have lots of headroom.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] PCPhil:
I am really looking forward to this one.

I like 6.5 (6.5.3 better but prob too much RAM consumption) and I like Manila 2.1 better than 2.5

Been waiting for someone to go for this combination.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] greatbal:
+1 for a Diamond Sense 2.1 rom. Hopefully someone will post one soon. :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] caudex:
TF3D 2.5 is slow compared to TF3D2, well not unbareable, but its about 25% slower, and when you click and drag the tab selector, you can see in 2.5 it will lag a little.

Also, stating a "after" boot ram remaining is useless. Its sorta like LCD people now stating dynamic contrast just cuz its a better number.

TF3D doesn't use up that much ram at startup, but the cache it uses does. And this cache isn't created until you have used it a little. This cache disappears when you restart.

Maybe, but sometimes it could be the porter's problem. The software isn't made for us Diamond, we use a hammer to wack it into shape to use for our diamond.

Also it depends on your cooker too, i was using GenY and i could run tomtom and opera perfectly while using Sense 2.5. So its not all about HTC, its about the roms.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] celoni:
Can you give us a link for watches the project???:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fabius88:
very very good this news item ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] RationalGaze:
I am also excited to hear about Sense 2.1. I use GenY D2X, and it's bearable. But speed is stil not satisfying (at least for me). So, if we could get a good 6.1 (or even 6.5) ROM with Sense 2.1 i would be very pleased :) Expecting to see, how it preforms!

And yes...is there any thread where we could follow the progress of Sense 2.1 porting to VGA? An possibly contribute with testing it?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Golf_4711:
Great idea

Hey mates.

It would be a great success to get a Image for the Diamond with Sense 2.1!!!

For example as little gift on Christmas :D

I use a similar ROM on my Kaiser and I's absolutely gorgeous!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=580326

Can't wait for this developed Diamond-Rom.

Nice 3.advent

regards Golf ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GXFX:
I´m not the porter , i´m just a GSM Beta tester :p

What i can say is :

Fast as manila 1.1

Ram it´s the same as manila 2.1

It´s beautiful.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] celoni:
ascolta questo sè capito...ma cè un treahd del progetto del porting o della rom ke stai testando????!!!pleaseeeee

ing:it's not expressive such the italian
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GXFX:
WRITE IN ENGLISH!

I don´t understand ITA!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] celoni:
i say:can you post a link of the tread where is the project's porting of sense 2.1...or the link to the rom development that you're testing????

however you did some italian's rom,and you post in italian...quindi l'italiano lo comprendi:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GXFX:
there is No thread.

there is No rom.

there is just the alpha package for beta testers that i can´t release
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] celoni:
ok...where we find this "alpha package" for beta tester???....:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Sleehond:
People.... just run Gen.Y 4.4 A

Its perfect!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] the_scotsman:
DonSalari's ROM with Sense 2.5 is simply fantastic...plenty of RAM left over to run apps along with sense 2.5...I suggest you try it out.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] GXFX:
it´s only for beta testers!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fabius88:
abbi un attimo di pazienza per cortesia..fai perdere la pazienza anche ai piu calmi :mad:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] greatbal:
IMO Sense 2.1 is a better alternative to Sense 2.5 for the Diamond. waiting patiently for this to become a reality...

:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] thangkls:
When most of our cooker change to other device ( LEO / Android / HD ) so I think Sense 2.1 will be the last wonderful for us .

Hope it will be reality.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] PCPhil:
Have to agree with the above.

I have used this for well over a week now using TomTom complete Western Europe maps as I drive over continent, taking calls, RSS, browsing Opera.

Simply stunning and allways have enough RAM left. Hardly ever run Ram cleanup and never really need to.

Installed the 12 programs link cab and now have the best setup I have ever had on my Diamond.

(just wish there was a decent Manila sense customizer for diamond, being greedy)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] RationalGaze:
GXFX, any progress? Is it anywhere near a final release? It would be a nice christmas gift :) I still think that sense 2.5 is a bit too much for our diamonds. Yes, DonSalari's rom is fast and has alot of free ram, but at what cost? No htc messaging, no phone canvas (well...favourite people tab kind of looses its point, if you cant dial from it), no topaz notifications, older comm manager and so on. This is the cost for running sense 2.5 smooth, an frankly, i'm not willing to pay it. I rather wait for sense 2.1 :) Hope it progresses fast.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] pista314:
+1 for sense 2.1! The 2.5 will never run smooth with all those progz mentioned by RationalGaze, the sense 2.1 has a nice look and would complete finely our diamonds. In one word: sense 2.1 is the way to go!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] drblow:
That's 5 words, 2 numbers and a decimal point.

:) Somebody had to do it!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] RationalGaze:
I think it's 6 words... And if we're precise, there's a exclamation mark at the end. (of course..if "is" qualifies as a word. I've never been good in grammar theory, always used my english like i felt it was right :D)

Ehough with the spam.. I really hope that we get a Sense 2.1 rom before new year... and preferably based on the GenY kitchen. It's just a well rounded kitchen, with no bugs, lost of speed and lots of free ram (even sense 2.5 is acceptable...well almost)!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] donsalari:
Hey.. Nice discussion thread!

I am waiting for the new 2.1 as well.

Seriously 2.5 suck up the RAM.

So I tried making mine a bit easy on the RAM and main mem.

But like people say, I have removed stuff and its not possible to achieve low RAM usuage wo removing this stuff.

In fact it takes a hell lot of a time trying to figure out which old components can work properly with SENSE!

Anyways this is not about my ROM :)

So if you want to try something of your own, I would recommend (of course) yozgatg kitchen and ROM!

Its simply insane!

Trust me, if ROM developement has become my religion now... then yozgatg is my God.

Just outstanding work! :)

You'll simply learn tremendously just by looking at his kitchen! (perfectly organized as well) :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] takeuchie:
Anticipated.. o.O
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] apex excition:
one is released by now !

[ROM][WWE][2009-DEC-18][SENSE 2.1/2.5] The Captain's Special (28011/28014/21885)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=603041
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] pista314:
unfortunately is not for our diamond :( Actually yozgatg is also waiting for a final release, as he intends to cook a 2.1 sense rom :) +1 for chef yoz!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Elrohir:
Christ, that is good to hear. Let's follow the leader...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ts3010:
here's a link for sense 2.1 Ext. package to anyone want to cook it: http://www.4shared.com/get/177537290/54003f39/Htc_Sense_2_1_19203317_0_VGA_m.html
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] henk2484:
Here's the porting thread (by Akeo)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=603920
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] rvdgeer:
Yeah, great news, isn't it...

And there's more on it's way, 'cause kimi, the one and only real porter for this at his moment (as far as I know) is almost ready for a first release...

Akeo's version is in fact kimi's port of about a mont ago, extracted from CT's ROM with a different exe. That's at least what kimi said...

With a little more patience (and support for kimi) I hope we will have a great Sense 2.1 ROM...

Some quote's from Akeo's thread:

In fact, Yozgatg already 'announced' a new Gen.Y ROM with Sense 2.1: R5.

See here.