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[HD2 General] kuzibri:
Thankfully you're pretty chilled now. Anger and frustration are very bad for your blood pressure.

On topic: a very good keyboard (making all the use of the sensitivity of the capacitive screen) is SlideIT by Dasur. It's multilanguage and once you get the grip of it, it's blazing fast. There is, however, one shortcoming at this moment (but they are working on that): it does not support landscape in WinMo 6.5.

Whenever they fix that, it will be my no 1 keyboard!
[HD2 General] pgamble:
It is really interesting ...

I've had the TyTN, TyTNII and TP2 as my last devices and I also have the Stowaway BT Keyboard and Mouse that I got for my 3970, 4700 and 2750. I thought I'd also use the TP2 type format and steered away from onscreen keyboard because I thought they just wouldn't be up to it.

In the end I got so hacked off with the number of the last 3 devices that went back because of little QA issues relating to the keyboard or keyboard mechanism I decided I would get a big screen device and try and live with out the keyboard. It turns out that the Stowaway KB and Mouse will soon be fully supported on the HD2 through the Broadcomm development by Teksoft ... and with this size screen the HD2 would be an amazing laptop replacement (if you have tools like Softmaker Office like I do ...

Anyway ... did I regret making the change ... no ... not at all. I have big fingers ... I'm always over delicate with devices (don't want to hurt them) - not heavy handed ... so I admit I probably conciously type softly ... but that seems to work beautifully with the HD2. I can type as quickly as I could with the TyTNII. The only exception is when I make a mistake ... I'm currently a little slower backspacing and retyping ... and yes ... occasionally the T9 toggle gets hit mid sentence and because I'm used to touch typing ... I sometimes don't notice straight away.

So ... in short ... surprisingly given what I've come from, I'm really happy with the HD2 typing. I may explore other keyboards like Resco ... to give me more options ... especially if I can find one that also includes a soft dpad (Resco were looking at that).

Paul
[HD2 General] bungfritz:
Hey guys, I know thus might sound stupid, but I've found the htc keyboard to be very good now that I've cut my nails.

I'm pretty sure that outta the box, the htc keyboard doesn't support multitouch like the iPhone and it also has a sensitivity issue. Coming from an iPhone, I initially had plenty of trouble with the keyboard on the htc, and in some ways, i still have some issues with it. However by typing focusing on using the tip of your fingers more, I've become used to using the htc keyboard and I can now type pretty much as fast as I did with my iPhone.
[HD2 General] depl0y:
there are indeed some issues with the keyboard and/or screen sensitivity. i hope HTC will fix it soon. I might upgrade to a newer ROM to see if that helps.
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
apart from the fact whether contibutars to XDA threads are right or wrong in their remarks/comments and not to judge the content of the remarks/comments, I want to state that I'm getting tired/upset of/with the language being used in some of the remarks/comments. Words like sh&t, POS, dumbasses, and the like, are flying across our screens. I really do believe this is not necessary and should also not be tolerated. Main goal of this forum is that we can express our problems with a certain device and hope to get help from one of many of the, voluntary, experts residing in this forum. Using cursing language is certainly not encouraging. Although I really understand that one might be utterly frustrated by a certain problem with a particular device, I would like to ask everybody to state their problem politely and with as less cursing/frustration as possible.

thanks in advance and regards, Kuzibri
[HD2 General] TheRealBnold:
As Pagnal writes, it works fine. Got no problems and really dont understand why its so hard for you guys/girls to LIFT your fingers from the screen.

And...your fingers must be really big, i hit what i aim for ;o)
[HD2 General] here4info:
please mention finger sizes while posting your experiences!

Experiences will vary greatly with finger size :D Bigger not better this time around :eek:
[HD2 General] RiCu:
Hi.

One the problems I have with text input is that sometimes, when typing using the XT9 prediction the phone will completely ignore spaces! I'll type a word and hit space, but the next word will begin immediately after the next, it doesn't matter if I do one space or loads, there will be no gap between words.

It's really annoying and happens seemingly at random!

Anyone else get this?
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
No it isn't. We can go on all day if you want?
[HD2 General] weareborg:
+ 1 for the stock rom keyboard being utter ****e. Its worse than my Nokia N97 (and boy was that bad..) and infinitely worse than my iPhone (which is generally excellent, I'm platform agnostic btw, no fanboyism here, I just like stuff that works well after paying my money!). Its 100% software related so its fixable.

But in a side by side test of a Droid, an iPhone, a Leo and an N97 what do you think people would pick, with no prior practice? Defend all you want but the leo would be WELL down that list, and thing is, it doesn't have to be.. so, yes, keyboard sucks in its current state.

Cheers OP for calling a spade a spade. ;)

VERY interested to hear about the Broadcomm development by Teksoft!! That could be one reason I'll keep this phone after all.
[HD2 General] Kridek:
Just remove vibration feedback
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I've had a go with the Resco keyboard and it is much better than the stock HTC one in terms of making less mistakes whilst typing. However, I have had to uninstall it because:

No cursor keys. The HD2 screen, whilst being ridiculously sensitive in most respects, is strangely unsensitive when it comes to registering a finger press in the text box whilst typing a text - ie if I need to go back and correct a word (and let's face it we always do on this phone) the screen is very unresponsive and it takes several presses to even get anywhere close to the word you wish to amend.

No support for landscape mode.
[HD2 General] riz157:
i was having problems with keyboard previously, i removed viberation feedback and installed touch screen cab which reduced touch sensitivity. must say works much better now, not perfect but considerably better.
[HD2 General] scilor:
I find it very fine, you will just need to calibrate the screen for your fingers and just tap the letters very slightly :)
[HD2 General] Shifty-PK:
Guys, it seems i found a solution to type with less mistakes in landscape, this is what i changed in the registry:

HKLM\HARDWARE\Setting\TouchPanel:

XBorderFilter value 6

BorderFilter value 4

NoiseThreshold value 20

FingerThreshold value 20

FingerupThreshold value 20

With this i could type at least 5 words without having to use the backspace key. And when i needed to do so i had really touched the wrong key by wrong coordination.
[HD2 General] Odalovic21:
Keyboard is not optimized very well, it sucks
[HD2 General] deeky1:
I cant remember where to swith off vibration feedback. I've looked everywhere in the settings. Can someone please help me!

Cheers
[HD2 General] deeky1:
Cancel that.....found it on another post

Thanks
[HD2 General] esatch:
I'm using touchpal pro from cootek, it works fine for me
[HD2 General] chronicle:
sorry for the poor language!

I would like to apologise for the poor language I used, albeit under a thin veil of disguise - I did not want to offend anyone. It is very hard to express one's complete and utter frustration at a problem by simply stating 'darn, i'm miffed at this...' when you feel like throwing it out of a window :)
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Slideit is a nice keyboard, but there are two big shortcomings:

1. When you use you finger to slide, it's hard to see all the letters because the finger blocks the view of some of them. This leads to errors.

2. It's not really a fast keyboard. You can't reach the throughput of a good keyboard like Touchpal.
[HD2 General] ian_uk1975:
I find the HTC keyboard to be pretty good, although I actually find a can type faster with the portrait layout - in landscape, I find the keys are too far apart to type comfortably using my thumbs. Having said this, I've never used a software keyboard on another phone, but I can type quickly and fairly accurately (with XT9 switched-on) on the HD2.

The next ROM release should MOST DEFINITELY contain an update to capitalise the start of a new sentence!

PS. I tried TouchPal, just out of curiosity, and found it to be lousy in comparison to the standard HD2 keyboard.
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
I think SlideIT is (one of) the best keyboard(s) around. The speed must be a personal taste, cause IMO its blazing fast. I can Slide faster on this keyboard than on the hardware keyboard of the TP2 I owned before the HD2.

The biggest shortcoming at this moment is that landcsape is not supported and the reason for that is:

" We are aware of this problem. it is due to the fact that Microsoft has enlarged the bottom bar in Windows 6.5. We are working on it and let you know. Regards

Daniel" form Dasur.

Once they fixed that problem, it'll be my no 1 keyboard!
[HD2 General] gogol:
I checked HD2 yesterday in a store ... Wow, it is big, but I have no problem with the size because I love the screen.

But, you are right ... the keyboard sucks!

I was thinking, this is capacitive screen, right? It should be responsive!

And I have problem typing fast and correct sentence.

Probably because I am not used to with touch screen? I am HTC Kaiser user, so I am using "stylus" and hardware keyboard ... a lot :)

However, there was iPhone 3GS next to it and to surprise me, I have no problem with its on-screen keyboard. I have mistyped as well, but a lot less compared to HD2.

No, I am not iPhone fanboy, nor its user. This is honest opinion because I am HTC Kaiser user (you can check my posts here).

I am thinking this keyboard/sensitivity issue is Windows Mobile 6.5 problem ... probably it does not support capacitive in its core engine? I read this somewhere that HTC "added" this capacitive support rather than Microsoft, cmiiw.

I dont mind having a (capacitive) stylus, I read it will be available. But I hate that because there is no "default" slot to place it!

Anyway, I will wait the next iteration (HTC HD3?). I hope WinMo 7 will solve this issue.

HTC HD3 wishes:

- Smaller screen? 3.8" is big enough:)

- Much better capacitive screen

- Much better keyboard

- Stylus included? :)
[HD2 General] aussiebum:
Beauty of Windows Mobile - if you don't like the keyboard, INSTALL ANOTHER!

Man, when in doubt, GOOGLE. There's at least 10 different Windows Mobile Keyboards that are actually worth trying out, some free, so not, and some have really funky input methods too.

Here's a short list of what I've tried so far:

1. Finger Keyboard 2.1 - It's free, you can customise the layout with text files. My favourite.

2. ShapeWriter 1.01 - Basically the same as Dasur's SlideIT but with a special "ATOMIK" layout for faster swiping if desired

3. Sony Ericsson X2 soft keyboard - look in the Xperia X1 columns.

4. CooTek TouchPal 4.0 - some people swear by it, but I personally don't like it

5. Cliquick 3.0

6. TenGo Thumb

And then of course there are keyboards from Resco, SPB, Teksoft, etc, etc... all just a short Google away!

Bottomline: Don't rage-quit, use your head if you don't like something :)
[HD2 General] maati:
I have read ENOUGH of those DOG$H!T thread titles!
[HD2 General] lucid:
Keyboard out of the box, best I've ever had

I've been owning some PDA's in the past...hehe... and I have ALWAYS been too lazy to get the stylus out. Never used it to begin with, even with the extrmely small touch keyboards I never took it out...

This means, that from PalmPilot 1000- Palm III - Psion5MX - IPAQ3630- IPAQ3870 - IPAQ3970 - HTC UNIVERSAL - HTC HERMES - HTC TYTNII - HTC TOUCH PRO - HTC TOUCH HD - HTC TOUCH HD2

the HTC TOUCH HD2 by far exceeds easy of typing compared to all

other previously owned models.

I'm a super expert on touchscreen responsiveness.

I've owned all the devices. HD2 is best, as long as you have some of your consiousness directed to your dexterity!:eek:
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Just trying out Slide IT and have to say it's very impressive. I will see how I get on with it.
[HD2 General] ari1250:
tried a few different keyboards ... resco was the best so far, but i still come back to the deafult ... for me its just changing the habits i got used to on the omnia, before that the treo etc etc :) ... im getting better everyday though
[HD2 General] Starfury:
I'll be honest I was wondering whether I would get on with the HD2 keyboard being an Tytn1 and Tytn2 owner and I have to admit I haven't had any problems with it so far at all.
[HD2 General] greatcapp:
Me too. I thought I'd give it a go, and it really does seem quite impressive. I'm not sure if I could use it all the time yet, but I'm gonna try it for a few days I think. It seems to get almost everything I'm trying to type right.
[HD2 General] jules_ht:
I'm on the verge of sending this phone back because of the absolutely shocking text input.

Half the time it doesn't want to "tap to compose text". It seems to randomly decide to go back to QWERTY.

It doesn't hit the key you want, and to disguise it the s/w tries to guess what you mean- which then means that what it's displaying isn't necessarily even what you have typed. I've ended up with it flatly refusing to put in simple basic English 3 letter words, because it's trying to tell me I mean something else.

The delete key is rubbish- it hits a whole stream of keys including enter, wxyz, !, >, 12#, and even sometimes goes on a mad one going as far over as Xt9/ABC.

Once it's made a mess of the word you're trying to type, and you've deleted the stream of random characters and are left with half a word, there doesn't seem to be any way to select that half a word and pick up typing in T9 where you left off- you have to either do it letter by letter, or you have to delete the whole word (which can take forever if delete goes mad again).

The T9 is the worst I've ever seen on any phone since it's invention. It doesn't learn or use what you used most recently, and there is no easy way to scroll through the possible word options aside from going into that menu by hitting the clock (when it then selects the wrong word).

Once you've put a word in the dictionary, it assumes that's all you ever want to say. I put the words "gm" (as in General Motors- long story), and "ho" (again a long story). Now, I cannot type "go", which is a word I use all the time! It wants me to say Gm, gm, ho, or Ho. Rubbish. I can't even find the area to delete words out of the dictionary- not that I should have to, it should work like my W960 did.

It doesn't capitalise properly.

You can leave the phone sat in a text and every now and then it'll randomly start typing letters.

You can be set to letters, and all it will type is numbers. Changing to numbers and back again does nothing, going T9/ABC does nothing, coming out of the text does nothing. Mine seems to be doing this increasingly.

All this is whilst sat on a chair. Woe betide you if you have to text whilst on a bus or in a car.

It's such a travesty, there are so many elements of this phone that I love, a couple that I don't but can live with, but texting/e-mailing is so infinitely frustrating and useless that I cannot bear the thought of putting up with it for the next 2 years!

I've got until the end of this week to decide what I'm going to do with this phone, before my distance selling rights (UK) run out. I can see it going back. What a crying shame that it's so terribly terribly abysmal, I've been waiting months for this and there is no other phone I want :(
[HD2 General] greatcapp:
Sounds faulty, my friend. Mine's not like that. Send it back for a replacement.
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
@jules-ht,

This keyboard "problem" you and others mention does bother me. It is what's making me wait until I can get my hands on a phone to test the keyboard for myself.

Defeats the object a bit but have you thought about using a capacitive stylus rather than your fingers to see if that improves things? That's the way I intend to go if I can't get on with the keyboard when I come to test it.

WB
[HD2 General] mad_style:
My HD2 text entry experiences

Some comments on this topics

>It seems to randomly decide to go back to QWERTY.

Yes, I have seen this problem. It’s noticeable for me because I never use QWERTY in portrait mode as I can type far quicker using the Phone Keypad entering text the ‘standard’ way. Of course the phone correctly loads the QWERTY when I use the phone in Landscape mode, but it should never load it of its own accord when I am in Portrait mode which it annoyingly does.

>Once it's made a mess of the word you're trying to type, and you've deleted the stream of random characters and are left with half a word, there doesn't seem to be any way to select that half a word and pick up typing in T9 where you left off- you have to either do it letter by letter, or you have to delete the whole word (which can take forever if delete goes mad again). The T9 is the worst I've ever seen on any phone since it's invention. It doesn't learn or use what you used most recently, and there is no easy way to scroll through the possible word options aside from going into that menu by hitting the clock (when it then selects the wrong word).

Also I agree that the T9 is quite poor in comparison to my previous Touch Cruise, Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond 2. Often I have to push the (v) down arrow at the end of the line to open up the list of possible words for selection. The phone doesn’t seem to always ‘learn’ and push more frequently used words to the front of the word possibilities…

>It doesn't capitalise properly.

This drives me nuts – as all of my previous HTC phones could do this. 90% of the time it won’t capitalise the first letter of a new sentence, but sometimes it does. Go figure…

>You can leave the phone sat in a text and every now and then it'll randomly start typing letters.

Nope – never seen this and sounds like you may have a genuine problem also with the phone/screen which is making the normal text entry issues far worse.

>You can be set to letters, and all it will type is numbers. Changing to numbers and back again does nothing, going T9/ABC does nothing, coming out of the text does nothing. Mine seems to be doing this increasingly.

Yes this is another item that drives me nuts. It usually happens when the phone is locked and woken up by a new text message. When I unlock the phone to reply to the message the Phone keypad enters only numbers and not the keys it is meant to. When this happens I’m left with no alternative to open the QWERTY to respond to the message. This also happened with my Touch Diamond 2 so is not confined to the HD2…

In general I find the text entry far too sensitive and quite often a ‘painful’ process. Funny thing is I sometimes have more luck entering text reliably when I relax and just bash out the text on the Phone keypad as fast as possible. When I try and enter the text slowly and deliberately more often than not it ends up entering the wrong character.
[HD2 General] jakem:
Although I'm generally happy with the keyboard this is my biggest complaint. It's really irritating to have to delete all the correct letters just because you hit one completely incorrect letter. I keeping my fingers crossed that HTC will do something about that bug.
[HD2 General] eskasi:
I had a lot of problems such as capitalization issues with the HTC messaging app in Leo based ROMs for my diamond 2.... check and see if you have the same issues in email....

Alll my problems went away after I removed HTC messaging and reverted to the Window's sms app. Things seemed more responsive, accurate and with no capitalization issues too....

Can someone test this?
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Really liking SlideIT, one of the best virtual keyboard methods I have used. I love how it automatically inserts spaces between words.

Anyone whining like a ***** about the Leo's keypad (and there seem to be a fair few) need to give it a go.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
I was just about to leave my HD2 and go back to another phone due to the horrific lack of keyboard accuracy, but JUST NOW installed the new HD2 firmware and seems MUCH better.

Not sure if its a placebo effect or something has been done, but it is genuinely much more accurate...so far.
[HD2 General] JamDonot:
I have to say after my rant yesterday about the keyboard, by HD2 is currently on ebay, I will prob be going back to, please dont be a hater, an Iphone, or possibly a Motorola Milestone. I primalarily use my phone for texting and emailing, tyical bloke really, not a big fan of talking on the phone, and the horrible text entry was just to much for me to bear. I have to say though, I aligned my screen again, and instead of using my thumb like I have every time, I used my forefinger, and the keyboard issues have subsided quite a bit. If Im honest though, Im a massive fan of the HD2's hardware, but the software, even with the incrediable sense UI, is still, in my humble opinion, less superior to say Android. Then theres Microsofts attempt at an app store, please Microsfot market is a joke, a handfull of apps, and quite expensive, take Shazam, free on Android and Iphone, I believe it is £5 (I may be wrong) on market place, that is a total joke. Anyways enough of my rant, hopefuly my phone will sell, then its back to android or Iphone OS.

Im an Electrical Engineer as well, so I love to dabble, look at registeries etc.. but for £500, I want it to work out of the box, thats not really too much to ask, is it?
[HD2 General] randalthor:
rom upgrade

Hi Did you load this from HTC... i cannot see anything on their site yet
[HD2 General] deeky1:
Can anyone help where to get to the 'options' in resco keyboard on my HD2?

When I tap the small triangle next to the keyboard I get options to change it but cant get to the resco keyboard options. Maybe I'm being completely thick, but sorry cant find it. I've checked the online PDF manual and its no help
[HD2 General] jakem:
You need to go to Settings>Menu>All Settings>Personal>Input and then click on the Options button.

For those of you having problems with the HTC keyboard, I suggest upgrading to the new ROM from HTC. The keyboard is absolutely perfect now.
[HD2 General] thanas:
this exactly is a major problem is there a way to switch this off ?
[HD2 General] bokechukwu1:
how much are you selling it for on ebay?? and from what country??
[HD2 General] mobile88:
I faced similar issue using the keyboard. Even after applying the tweaks, my typing success rate was about only 70 %. I'd not say is HTC issue ; as my friends has little problems with it. It's my fingers - I have a nerve related problem and my hand shakes easily.

I tried few other alternatives - I'd highly recommend SpB Keyboard v4. Even in potrait mode ( though the keys look smaller) - my typing rate was close to 100% successful. Now I can comfortably type without any issues. Furthermode if you select landscape mode, you have a full screen keyboard. Very good if you need to type a lot of texts. Worth every cent I pay for it
[HD2 General] deeky1:
Originally Posted by deeky1

Can anyone help where to get to the 'options' in resco keyboard on my HD2?

When I tap the small triangle next to the keyboard I get options to change it but cant get to the resco keyboard options. Maybe I'm being completely thick, but sorry cant find it. I've checked the online PDF manual and its no help

You need to go to Settings>Menu>All Settings>Personal>Input and then click on the Options button.

Thanks for that, I wondered where it was buried!
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
what new ROM from HTC? their site doesn't say anything about a new ROM?
[HD2 General] Archer:
It's not on the HTC website yet (well, the UK one isn't, at least).

You can get it from a link in this thread...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=592954