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[HD2 General] Cheesy Dave:
I had a HD for nearly a year now and loved it - yes, TF3D ran slowly but it also was more "form than function" and I stopped using it in favour of simple SPB Diary with multiple tabs.

Now having a HD2 for over a month I do love the high speed and slick operation and I even stick with TF3D (or HTC Sense, whatever it's called).

But, there are apps from HD that don't run well on the screen as they expect the precision of a stylus. One example is SPB Finance that I used to record all my expenditures on an almost daily business. This just does not work with a big fat finger !

But, but others work great - CoPilot works really nicely. I tried Route66 on the HD2 as this was a fully legal working purchase on the HD but on the new HD2 it's not good. Nice surprise is the new CoPilot works really well and super fast. Even indoors near a window I can get enough satellites for a 3D fix and moving next to the window gets 7 or 8 sats. HD never achieved that.

My build quality on the HD was fine. On the HD2 you get a real solid feel from the metal battery cover where you naturally hold the device.

HD2 is super quick but the capacitive screen is a weakness. However, this is because most applications have not yet caught up. Many exist that are great with fingers like Resco explorer but others expect a stylus and are hard to use.

As a year long HD user I doubt very much that I won't move back after having got the HD2. My old HD is sitting in a box and I have not been tempted to get it out !
[HD2 General] Cret:
Thanks for the replies guys - I like what I hear!

I think the only thing that might delay me upgrading to an HD2 is the difference in value between selling HD and buying HD2 but we'll see....

Can you clarify a couple of things I'm still not sure about though?

Dave - you said you can't use certain apps from the HD because of the capacitive screen as you don't have a stylus with it (and can't use a normal one I believe), but is it possible to use these apps with a finger nail if you really need to?

I know it might be awkward or not very practical, but I want to know whether it's actually possible at all, ie if the screen will physically work like that, or if it's literally impossible to do?

Secondly (don't get me wrong here) whilst I don't want an iphone, is the responsiveness of the HD2 screen the same kind of thing? Local shops here don't have one I can try so I have to go by what others tell me, and I'd like it to work as smooth as the iphone screen, ie no actual pressure etc.

I know it's capacitive so it should be like that but I don't know if there are differences aside from that to how the screen responds. Hope that makes sense!

Last question - I believe the screen is glass on it? Is it toughened in any way? Presume the fact that it's glass will mean that it's much harder to scratch than the HD screen and also means a clearer, brighter display by not having a resistive layer?

Thanks for the replies - I appreciate the info!
[HD2 General] Cheesy Dave:
I'll try again but I don't think finger nails work ...
[HD2 General] maati:
I upgraded from the Blackstone and for me, it was definitely worth it.

First thing you notice is the amazing speed if the device. I just saw that I had TomTom (among a couple of other programs) running in the background for several days and I didn't even notice it.

The HD2 is really insanely fast. I sometimes take my old Blackstone in order to try new WM builds, but its slowness makes me sick after some minutes of using it.

Next big thing, for me, is the camera. The light sensitivity has been greatly improved and the flash works stunningly good for an LED flash.

It takes really great pictures for a smartphone, much much better than the HD, finally I have a phone that lets me capture the important moments ;)

(btw. the 'red tint bug' is present but not noticeable on most pictures)

Third thing is the screen. It''s capacitive, that means you can NOT use your fingernail, and no stylus. But I really like the sensitivity, it's much more comfortable to use. And it feels a lot better, it's not the 'cheap' feel of the resistive panel's plastic layers anymore.

And this brings me to the fourth and last point: Build quality. I've never ever seen such a high build quality and high quality materials on a phone. It looks and feels just amazing, even the iPhone feels like a cheap toy in comparison.

Video playback is of course a lot better and it plays high quality video without stuttering.
[HD2 General] MicTh:
Well actualy you can use stylus without problems, you just have to buy a special one (whitch buy the way also works on the iPhone)

http://cgi.ebay.com/2x-DAGi-Stylus-...wItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item414b467e4a

Like they other says there are applications who can be a bit of a hassel with using with the finger...

But I suspect you would love it... I could newer go back to my HD after being used to the buitiful racer the HD2 is, and i absolutely love the screen to.
[HD2 General] JamesSt:
Hi,

I've spent 1 week with the HD2 after a year on the HD. Mobile Shell 3.5 on both.

The main difference is speed. HD2 is soooo much faster. Didn't notice the HD was particularly slow whilst I was using it, but going back to it now is PAINFUL.

I struggled a bit initially with the capacitive screen, found it a bit hit and miss. In particular I found the HTC keyboard a nightmare, way too sensitive. Installing the .cab that decreases screen sensitivity has improved things greatly, and installing Spb Keyboard has also helped. It's improving with practice, there are still times when I do something and it doesn't register, but overall I'm starting to like it. There's a definite knack to it: much lighter touch, smoother motions. So there's a learning curve here + a need to tweak. And I'm sure the experience will continue to improve as third party software is adapted for it.

Mobile Shell has a few minor compatability issues but nothing to worry about (screen brightness control doesn't work, voicemail indicator widget doesn't work, a few other minor things). Spb are generally good at updating for significant new hardware releases, same thing happened with the HD when it was first released and they fixed everything quickly. I tried the Sense interface for a day or two to see if I could get used to it, it IS very pretty. But went back to Mobile Shell, I find it much more functional.

The HD2 build quality is excellent vs good for HD. And the additional screen size is a significant plus too. I was initially worried it would be a step too far in terms of the overall size of the device, but no. As soon as I laid eyes on the actual device + picked it up I knew it wouldn't be a problem.

Browsing in Opera is fantastic. Fast and the big screen helps. Still not comparable to a desktop browsing experience but very usable and way better than the HD due to the speed.

Overall it's a big step forward from the HD and highly recommended. Like I said, I find going back to the HD to dig out a few files I need to be surprisingly painful...
[HD2 General] chalid:
I tested the HD2 besides both, an 3G and 3GS, and really couldn't find any real difference in the screens responsiveness. You don't have to do any pressure on the HD2's screen ... I have to say, that I had a problem with the high sensitivity at first, but when playing around with an Nokia N900 last week, I noticed how fast I adapted to the capacitive screen of the HD2. The N900's screen was a pain in the ass (although its actually quite good for a resistive screen), because slight fingerswipes and tips didn't to anything ... :rolleyes:

When browsing the forums you will notice, that most ppl here have/had a problem with the keyboard of the HD2. Besides the bugreporting here (I don't have any of these problems), I imagine that most of the problems with the keyboard just come from the unfamiliar sensitivity. By lifting the fingers a little higher when typing, I managed to type pretty accurate.

I don't have a Touch HD to compare side by side, but had the possibility to compare the HD2 to an iPhone 3G ... the 3G was very slow compared to the HD2 ... So wouldn't really go back to a last-gen phone ... :)
[HD2 General] rd2000:
Had a Touch HD for a year until i bought my HD2 last month.

I Had Dutty's Leo rom running since he started releasing those, so I felt completely at home with my HD2 when i had it in my hand. (For those not knowing : Leo rom for Touch HD is just that. Winmo 6.5 running HTC Sense, just like the HD2)

A few things felt wonderfully different tho :

Screen is beautifull. The glas type used is almost impossible to scratch. I have my phone in my pocket unprotected. Even accedently slipped my keys in with it a few times. Not a mark on it! What is this screen made of ? Diamond ?? :)

Speed. Wow! This phone is fast. I ran the weather demo simultaniously, side by side with the Touch HD. And the difference makes the Touch HD look like a joke. (it's not, but compared, its sloooow)

Pinch zoom. OMG now i know why Iphone has been the king of mobile browsing. HAS been! HD2 is now the new king! :) Opera + capacitive screen with multi touch AND a 1 ghz processor ? It is a match made in heaven. Mobile browsing is EASY and fun now. Thank god i have an internet sub on my simcard...

Camera. Remember how a big hazzel it was to take a pic with Touch HD ? I mean, the moment is GONE, before the camera is ready to take the picture!

With HD2 and a shortcut on the Sense start screen , it takes around 1 second(!!) from press on camera icon till your ready to take the picture!. The flash LED (Which can blind a man btw) makes it possible to shoot in the dark, FINALLY!

Well those things was EXACTLY why I upgraded, and I have not been dissapointed.

Some had a huge problem with the sensitive screen. Not me, I adapted quickly, and the keyboard I was used to from leo rom on the Touch HD, so i guess it's a matter of taste, or fat fingers ;).

Also

There are a LOT of the tweaks and programs for Dutty's leo rom that works great with the HD2, like BG4all etc.
[HD2 General] chalid:
yep, fortgot to mention the LEDs. I love them. Not to take pictures, but for everydays things. Really missed a LED on the Touch HD.
[HD2 General] alfakilocharlie:
I got my HD2 a week ago, and I'm loving it, other than the rather short battery life (may be a temporary issue, some people do not have this issue).

It's definitely faster than the HD. Going through the Windows folder in File Explorer takes 2 seconds, rather than 6-8 seconds on the HD. Going through tabs in TouchFlo 3D (Sense) is fast, and tab contents are displayed lightning fast.

TomTom works great on the HD2, haven't tried CoPilot because they do not have maps that I could purchase for my region yet (which is funny, since I can download the map while trialling the software). TomTom is rather smooth on the HD2, the position cursor does not jerk forward when moving. With valid QuickGPS data, getting a GPS fix is faster than on the HD.

The speaker is a little worse than the HD in my opinion, although it's somewhat louder than the HD.

Moving from Resistive (HD) to the Capacitive screen in the HD2 may take some time to get used to it. Drawing/scribbling notes can be hard, so is selecting the directory/folder you want to go to in File Explorer. Maybe it's me, I have large fingers.

Reception compared to the HD, Nokia N82, N95 8GB.

The 3G network I'm on is rather bad in my room.

Nokia N82 and N95 8GB - 4 of 7 bars (estimated equivalent on the HD2 would be 3 of 4 bars)

HTC Touch HD - 1 of 4 bars

HTC Touch HD2 - 3 of 4 bars, sometimes full signal.

The signal bars on the HD2 tend to fluctuate at times, while holding the phone in landscape mode and browsing the internet, the signal may drop to no bars, disconnect from the network, then come back on with 1 or 2 bars.

Camera is great. Autofocus seems to be 'continuous', focusing when the camera is moved or after a few seconds. Shutter lag is much shorter than on the HD, but taking moving subjects may still result in a blurr (cranking up the ISO setting doesn't help much). Sharper than on the HD, and the automatic white balance is definitely better than on the HD under certain lighting conditions. LED Flash works OK for objects further than 30cm most of the time, using it for close ups may sometimes result in a bright, white mess.

I'm using the 1.43 ROM, so some of these issues may be fixed in the updated ROM. There are some issues in TouchFlo/Sense, but they are easily corrected by taking a trip down the Tips & Tricks Post in the Leo Forum.
[HD2 General] tbela:
tbela

I'd used Blackstone for some monthes, and overall I was satisfied. (I'd used Xanny Grid Leo rom)

I've a Leo for a week, and now I'm not simply satisfied but I'm happy with it. The speed, the huge screen and the build quality are fantastic. It's very rear, when I have to fight with small old-fashioned windows controls, but with some patience and practice it is also manageable. Nail-touching definitely doesn't work. Althogh, you can buy capacitive-compatible stylus on ebay.

Only disadvantage for me: fring doesn't work, but I hope it will be fixed soon. Temporarily I use Nimbuzz for chatting.

Overall I can highly recommend the upgrade. If you can do, DO IT!
[HD2 General] Cret:
Thanks very much for all the replies guys. The fact that most of you have written wuite a bit tells me you're very enthusiastic about the phone!

I want one for sure now. The only thing is the cost - I can't renew my contract and there are very few Leos on Ebay and around £500, but only maybe £250 sale proceeds from my HD, so it's quite a hit to take.

If I can get a few quid together to help ease the difference then I'll definitely get one.

Thanks for the comments :)
[HD2 General] razorblader:
Same here, had the HD for about a year and liked it in many respects, the HD2 is a much nicer experience though and if you can afford it at some point I highly recommend to get it.
[HD2 General] Cret:
Well I've made my mind up to get one for sure. The only question really is when.

I'll have to buy an unlocked one on Ebay I think and there are very few on there at the moment because the phone is so new. This is obviously therefore keeping the prices really high.

I'm dying to say 'sod it' and get the credit card out but I know I ought to wait a month or two to see if they get a bit cheaper once more are being sold.

I've read reviews on it and most things I see say that this is basically the best piece of hardware on the market in terms of phones, but that it's "let down/ruined" etc by having winmo on it. I like winmo and have used it for years, so for me, that's a plus! :D

Having said that, I'd kill to see/have winmo7!
[HD2 General] maati:
Yep. Those reviews are nonsense.

Powerful hardware like this needs a powerful OS, and WinMo really is by far the most powerful OS you can get.

It doesn't ruin anything. It's the perfect OS for a phone like this.

WinMo bashing is a current trend that you can't do anything against when sites like Gizmodo or Engadget spread the FUD. It's really sad.

I wouldn't want any other OS on the HD2.
[HD2 General] AshHD:
Overall I agree, But Android 2.0 would be very interesting
[HD2 General] Cret:
Well I'm sure I'll be quite happy since it's exactly what I'm used to.

Last phones I've had have been Touch HD, Omnia, XDA Orbit etc - loved them all.

Can't WAIT to get the HD2 though. Especially now I've bought one this afternoon.:D:cool:
[HD2 General] adell_:
Congrats to get this lovely phone. I'd wager you will like it :).
[HD2 General] Cret:
Thanks mate

It should have arrived yesterday but I saw the postman and he said he has parcels for me today.

I know it's stupid when I'm 35 years old but I'm like a child at Christmas when I buy new things for myself!! :D
[HD2 General] Cret:
Got it! Ace :)

First impression is a strange one. It's technically not much bigger than the touch HD but in both the hand and the pocket it seems a bit huge. Sure in a few days it'll seem normal though.

Very smooth and after doing the setup screens inc the text input tutorial I'd say typing text on this accurately is easier than on the HD - so I like it!

I'm appalled that they've put the headphone socket at the bottom instead of the top, and annoyed that it has this stupid new USB thing since I'll have to swap cables all the time, but I knew these things before buying.
[HD2 General] maati:
Somehow it's less disturbing for me in the pocket than the HD was. Maybe it's because of the reduced thickness.

The 'stupid new USB thing' is not that stupid at all. It's a standard that all manufacturers (well, except for Apple of course :rolleyes:) will use in their mobile phones in the future.

You can 'upgrade' your old cables with small adapters like this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...ctronics&qid=1260627791&sr=8-48&condition=new
[HD2 General] precsmo:
Am in the same boat like you. But I've not upgraded yet not because I didn't want to, but I'm waiting for the HD2 price to drop in China! I'm so bloody tempting. There is really nothing from to upgrade it from Touch HD, but if you don't, it is really wrong!

I've tested it in China since in last business trip, let me tell you, it is really awesome. If you find some doubt with HD2 just because you are comparing to Touch HD or you are used to Touch HD, you just need not worry of getting the HD2. You just like me and the rest, need to start getting use to the capacitive screen, but I've tried it, it is absolutely nice and easy to adapt with despite all WM we have all been using were resistive screen.

I will definitely get HD2! I'm so bloody tempting!!!!!!!!!
[HD2 General] Cret:
Thanks for the details about cable adaptors etc.

I'll buy a few cables I think for it as you can buy them for £1 on ebay. I don't like it though - the micro usb connector looks weedy and no as solid at all as the mini usb ones. Don't know why they changed as they were perfect.

Capacitive screen is brilliant! Finally after all these years a winmo device goes like I always wanted it to. I guess the snapdragon takes credit for it all running so sweet as well.

The size is the only thing that I will have to get used to in my pocket. I think the issue is not the extra size by itself, but the HD2 is very square on the edges/corners, so it does not 'slide' out of your pocket as easy as the HD did because that was more rounded.

I doubt I will notice after a little while, but either way, I love it!!!
[HD2 General] Noony:
These adapters are perfect, much cheaper than buying new chargers/cables etc. Also I can still charge the old HD without carrying another plug. They're all over the web at £1.50 - £4 each. The adapters that I got (manufactured by Lindy) are very firm fitting they even have a switch that you have to press to unplug from the HD2. Very secure and well made!
[HD2 General] maati:
Well, the phone vendors chose a standard and they chose microUSB.

I think the reason for microUSB instead of miniUSB is that phones are becoming thinner and thinner, and soon miniUSB may be not thin enough. Right now, microUSB is no advantage because we already have miniUSB cables, but I think the vendors thought about the future when they chose the standard.
[HD2 General] Cret:
Yeah I guess so. Same as everything when a standard changes I suppose - a bit annoying at first but once everything has caught up it's fine. Then they start over again! :)

It makes sense what you're saying. I just think the older ones felt more robust - never had a problem with one yet.

It's not something that really bothers me though - like I say the cables are £1 each including postage on ebay so I'll get a few of them to have dotted around the house.

Back to my wonderful new HD2 though, only issue I've got at the moment is I can't make the mobile internet work.

I use Edge/GPRS as my provider (SureCW IOM) does not have 3G. They don't list settings for the HD2 so I copied the same setup details over from my HD but it doesn't work. :(

I have free unlimited data on my tariff but no use if I can't make it work. Hopefully in the shop they will be able to set it up with the correct settings. This isn't a complaint about the phone of course!
[HD2 General] chalid:
The size of the HD2 really hasn't been an issue for me. The specs suggest its only 1 mm thinner than the Touch HD, but overall its much more than that, cause on the edges it only has 7 mm with 11 mm only at the middle of the device. So in-pocket-feel is much better for me, than with the Touch HD. :)
[HD2 General] Cret:
Like I say I'll be used to it in no time I think. Even after a day it's not really bothering me.

Got the data working now and the registry tweak to speed up web page loading is amazing! I don't understand how it works but it makes a MASSIVE improvement for me only being on gprs/edge.

One problem that is really going to annoy me is coreplayer though - the fact it stops playing music when you lock the phone. I recall reading a comment about this a few days ago but can't recall if there was a fix. I don't want to use another player but I don't want the screen wasting power while the phone is in my pocket. It's crazy.

If there's a fix for this it would be great!
[HD2 General] kholk:
My last phone was an HTC Touch Diamond, but I think my opinions are valuable.

The HTC HD2 is the fastest PPC I've ever seen, so much RAM and good specs.

About its performances, they're not only for his CPU, but for his faster NAND and his AMD Z430 GPU (integrated in SnapDragon chipset).

Anyway, it's so (I think TOO) much fragile: it fell off my hand and 4 pixels were dead. using SmartUDPixel now I'm with only one pixel that is stuck at black (and I hope that this program will fix it as the other 3 fixed)!

Very good phone, but too much fragile.

Anyway, if I were in the situation of choosing a phone, I won't have chosen a TG01 or a S200. The HD2 is simply perfect.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
HD to Leo

I hope you too are enjoying your Leo.

I loved the HD but had to have the HD2 when it came out.

I was apprehensive about the capacitive screen and though I love it's responsiveness, I have large fingers and struggled with the keyboard.

I have found the clickquick keyboard which is easier for me.
[HD2 General] enyaj:
I'm having a blast with my HD2 as well!!!
[HD2 General] applefruit:
I'm so tempted to buy it now.... But one question, I'm using a Touch HD at the moment. The audio equalizer only works when using a wired headset. When I'm using my stereo bluetooth headset, the equalizer is bypassed. I've to use pocket player which has a built-in equalizer that works with bluetooth stereo but pocket player is not compatible with my Cyberon's voice commander. Cyberon's voice commander only works with the default winmo's media player so I'm forced to chose between voice control over equalizer... :(

If the built-in equalizer in the HD2 is compatible with stereo bluetooth, I'll get it.
[HD2 General] Noony:
I'm assuming the built-in equalizer is the audio booster, if so, it still only works with wired, however, there is an app called SRS WOW HD that appears to improve the sound over my stereo bluetooth headset.
[G1 Android Development] kevev:
Hello all. I have an early Christmas present for all the Stock firmware users.

I have created a usb tethering application that should work for all Android devices regardless of root access. The code is and will always be GPL. I used the azilink android app written by aziwoqpd--> http://forum.xda-develoers.com/showthread.php?t=481162

I have to give him lots of credit, because without his app this would not work. :o

This has been tested on the G1 and the Motorolla Droid. It should work on the Hero, MyTouch(Confirmed working), etc... The GUI should install and work on all versions (x86, x86_64) of Windows starting with XP.

The GUI that I have written controls the adb port forwarding and openvpn connection while showing status. Please test this application and let me know how it goes.

Download:

http://www.4shared.com/file/168168016/47ce692d/azilink-gui-setup-110.html

Source:

http://www.4shared.com/file/168521281/18f538f5/azilink-gui_src.html
[G1 Android Development] coolmarkoo:
has anyone tried this
[G1 Android Development] G1-evolve:
So your telling me this is "wifi tether" for non rooted users? :eek: