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[HD2 General] skr_xd:
I have both the phones with me and tried to use both upto their full potential.

The thread starter who is telling to have both the phones is having a biased opinion towards iphone.

Actually, the advantage that iPhone have over the HD2 are,

1. High graphics fluidity in UI.

2. Excellent games available with high graphics details.

3. Keyboard typing recognition is better than HD2.

4. Better wireless reception than HD2.

In all other fields, HD2 is better.

Iam mentioning few advantages here.

1. Home screen- Sense UI is miles better than iPhone UI.

2. Communication Manager fortwo click control of all connections.

3. Default Email client is better than iPhone- No much customization options available like preferred folder only download, download messages based on the time period and not quantity, option to select attachment size to download, save attachments of ANY type to storage card including zip file, etc.

4. Browsing -better than iPhone.

It's almost impossible to read the texts in a website without zooming in with iPhone even in landscape mode.

If you don't believe, open any website with both phones and compare yourself.

Also, in safari, I don't find much options to customize as with opera in HD2.

It is impossible to open flash websites with iPhone, but I use ie6 for this purpose without crashes as it happens with opera.

5. Camera of iphone is very inferior especially in low/dark lighting conditions due to lack of flash. Video recording in HD2 is better than iPhone. One mode advantage is flash can be used for video recording also.

6. WiFi router- free one comparing to paid one for iphone. I dont know about WiFi router's quality on iphone though.

7. Core player- plays all my videos in desktop pc without wasting my time for conversion.

8. Photo quality- By default, Itunes optimizes the photos when u sync and reduce their quality. So, when u want to mail some photo from your Iphone, it willbe of lesser resolution than its original quality.

9. Difficult to make use of custom album art for mp3 with iPhone. It was way easyand one time process in HD2.

10. Multi tasking- you may say its not much useful. But, IT IS.

Backgrounder have issues with latest iphone firmware.

It never provided good multitasking.

When you want to download a big file while watching a video in coreplayer you feel the difference.

11. GPS- The gps itself have some issues in initiating. It needs certain combinations like 3g on, wireless off, Location service on, like that. This problem persists even with the latest firmware.

Also, The current Navigation softwares available for iphone are not

100 % perfect as with HD2. The fixing time and reception is very good in HD2 comparatively.

........ More on request:D
[HD2 General] maati:
I don't agree on those.

2. HD2 has emulators, PSX games in FPSCE have better graphics than anything you get for the iPhone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5JoNUFHbJY

3. I can type a lot faster on the HD2 and I heard a lot of other previous iPhone owners say this. The keyboard is at least as good and IMO it's better.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
I mean the key stroke recognition and not the keyboard layout or typing speed. Both of them are better in HD2.

About games, I can't agree with u:D

Iphone games are are much better and more new games are getting released frequently.

For any game available in common for iphone & HD2, the iphone version is definitely better than the one for HD2.
[HD2 General] maati:
Well, though my opinion on games&keyboard is different, I think from your list above we can clearly conclude that the HD2 is the better phone ;)
[HD2 General] shirreer:
My dear, why state the obvious?
[HD2 General] Lennart88:
Who cares which phone is better, as long as the user is happy with the product they are using.

This is a war that's never going to be won by either side anyway. So lets just continue what this forum is for, which is the HD2. There are way to many threads talking about the iPhone already.
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Disagree on firt point - Keyboard layout is the same on iPHone and HD2 - advantage Iphone that allows you to have a "world" key that switches keyboard layout from one languageto another in one click. Also disagree on typing speed - I get 10x more keypress errors on the HD2, even with its bigger screen, than I do on the iPhone with the smaller screen.

Fully agree on iPhone games. iPhone even beats the Nintendo DS !!! (which is why Nintendo is bringing out a new console shortly with iphone size screens)
[HD2 General] 10332007:
I bought my wife the 3GS as it fits her needs, and I still prefer my falling apart Fuze.

I will grant that the iPhone is better in several aspects. All of which can be attributed to the OS being build from the ground up for the specific purposes of the phone. Their OS did not have to go get a face lift, tummy tuck, implants and several botox treatments to make it do what they wanted.

If HTC would expand their Sense UI and make it a full OS with their own back system to handle the hardware I know the iPhone would not have a leg to stand on. Or if Microsoft would get on the ball and put out a real mobile OS built for today's technology. The current setup was cool in the early 2000's when it was new, but you can only mod an OS so much before it just falls down.

I love the iPhone for its optimized OS that runs perfectly on their hardware. It hides the hardwares shortcomings. However the UI and everything Apple I cannot stand.

Sadly the HD2 wont make it to ATT anytime (soon?) and I need 3g so I will probably be off to the Acer Liquid which just got FCC approval for ATT's bands... Fingers crossed.

Lastly, you knocked the app store for the HD2, how long has apple been sweet talking developers into making apps for their system now? How long as the windows app store been open? Granted, until Microsoft puts something out there worth developing on Apples will stay on top.
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Ok, so to round up this thread, and sum up the bottom line:

sure you get a bigger screen and faster CPU with the HD2, with all the advantages that were listed in the thread.

but really, there is one point that stands out and that makes a difference: what really counts is what you can do with the device to start with.

and here's a point that makes the difference, both to the end-user, but also to those who create apps:

http://iphoneoverdose.com/tag/app-store-sales/
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Posted it already in the other thread: Your argument is total nonsense.

The amount of downloaded apps has absolutely nothing to do with their quality.

If 199 people download a fart app from the AppStore and 1 guy downloads a useful app for Windows Mobile, then 95% of apps have been downloaded from the AppStore, but 100% of all useful apps have been downloaded to Windows Mobile.

However, I do give the iPhone the point for the AppStore. And ease of use. Everything else goes to the HD2.

Since I've never had difficulties finding the applications I want for WM and I've never had difficulties with WM's complexity, I don't care for the two points that go to the iPhone. I've tried the iPhone for several months and it was a frustrating experience.

On the other hand, there's certainly people who want a big AppStore and ease of use and don't care about a good camera, good screen or lots of possibilities. Those should buy an iPhone.
[HD2 General] Martyn Day:
im actually getting rid of my htc hd2, to fund a iphone 3gs, no doubt about it, it seems alot better, im yet to go play about in shop yet, but im sick of rebooting my phone daily, and recharging constantly though out the day.. lol
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Don't set your hopes too high. I actually had to reboot my iPhone 3G a lot more often than the HD2.

In addition to that, when the iPhone locks up, it's often hard to make it reboot at all. You can't just pull out the battery or anything. In the worst case, you have to hard reset.

The iPhone was a totally frustrating experience.

Only yesterday, when a man in the train sitting next to me got a call but didn't want to answer and could do nothing but wait until it stopped ringing, I was reminded of how bad the experience with the iPhone actually was. With the HD2, you just press call end or turn it face down to mute. That's only one out of thousands of little shortcomings of the iPhone that add up to what is a really frustrating experience.

It's easy to complain about little issues with the HD2, but when you actually think about the issues other phones have, the HD2 is really THE phone that comes closest to being perfect.
[HD2 General] kweiss10:
Its official, HD2 will be getting the WM7 upgrade in Q2 2010 or so.

u can actually install a lot of games on the HD2 or any other WM device. Just get an emulator and download some games. the HD2 runs pretty decent graphics.

okay the games aint new but still its something. i think by the time WM7 is out, developers will have brought out so many new things like apps and games for the HD2 and WM7.

I was an iphone user and i always found an app i needed but the same goes for WM. ive never been stuck where i cant find a programm i needed or couldnt settle a problem with WM.

The HD2 has so much potential plus just look at the HTC 2010 line up. They got so many new phones comin with new features.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Official? Not quite. Nothing has been confirmed so far.

I find playing games in FPSECE better than anything you can get from the AppStore. Thousands of games and the quality is very high.
[HD2 General] chri55tof:
OS comparison itself (without all the app stores, market places) as itself is not the best idea. I was amazed by Palm Pre WebOS demo in o2 store last year. WebOS is very intuitive and user friendly. But last week I got myself HD2 and if it`s about web browsing over Wifi or even network (H, 3G, E) there is nothing to compare. Web pages I have always had problems with on Pre are now flying ! Even if Pre had 1 GHz processor (instead 620 MHz I think) there wouldn`t be much difference. WebOS is not the best OS in my opinion for web browsing (which is very important for me).

Besides people, do not complain for Marketplace, WebOS has sort of appstore with 220 apps (about), and it doesn`t look like there will be much more soon. Every single OS update - you get some new regional restrictions if it`s about apps. In UK all 220 apps is free, there is nothing to buy (comparing to USA, which is by the way always one step forward about OS updates).

This is why I have chosen HD2 (I gave Pre to my wife, she loves it for it`s design ;) ).

A bit offtopic, sorry ;)

Kris
[HD2 General] eDaniel:
Rotten fruit lovers around

I would never change my HD2 for iPhone - HD2 is cheaper, faster, has a bigger screen, better GPS, better camera, has

much better

interface.

And most important - we have XDA-Developers
[HD2 General] ragelord:
I have been using smartphones for lots of years now and I must say that HD2 is just a lovely piece of hardware :) I cant get all that whining from all those apple fans!

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I think that the problem is you, my friend. i'm texting faster with hd2 than anything I've seen ... I cant imagine someone texting faster on iphone or any other phone, really.

- the camera of the iphone just sux big time

- the browsing expirience with the HD2 is even better than my desktop because of the non seating position and the so interactive interface. In fact I'm reading all the news on the PHONE already ... my laptop is collecting dust in the corner ... what exactly do you mean by saying that iphone is better for browsing ? Please do be more exact.

- the startscreen on the HD2 is just amazing and supplies so much information ... not a boring grid, which by the way is hidden just a swipe away in hd2...

- the screen is close to the borders and that is very, very good and stylish! I love the design and appearance of the hd2! I guess that you are just too addicted to your iphone appearance ...

- more responsive screen ? I think that a screen cant be more responsive and sensitive than those in hd2, it is just extreamly responsive ...

hd2 has its own drawbacks but i dont think that you even managed to get them yet ;)

Thumbs UP!
[HD2 General] the-uki:
You keep coming back to the fart app all the time. Note that there are just as many of them for WM65 than there are for iPhone. However, so far I have not seen my satellite TV provider provide a WM app to watch all my subscription channels on WM, nor my internet provider, I have not seen any Coyote like application for MW, Viamichelin live trafc, etc. Real useful apps - all exist for iPhone but not WM. Needless to speak about astronomy apps taking advantage of built in compass in addition to GPS, able to drive the telescope as well, medical apps, etc.

Basically you have lots of apps on WM that were around already a year or two ago. But only very few new coming out taking advantage of the HD2. I will give you credit on GPS road navigation for WM where you can add your own POI with warning, which you can't have in iPhone.
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Seriously, you don't consider the HD2 camera good, do you? It may be better than iPhone, but for taking pictures, it still sux big time. Any cheap digital camera off the shelf does 1000x better
[HD2 General] Spike15:
I would hope so -- it's a device solely dedicated to taking pictures.

Cameraphones aren't intended to be a substitute for a real camera, they're merely intended to supplement a real camera -- you wouldn't carry a camera everywhere, but you would carry your phone everywhere.
[HD2 General] gregormax:
I totally disagree with the 1 post.

1) Not a single word on the camera which is way better in HD2 (even though it's not perfect, but the duo-led is very useful);

2) iPhone better for browsing? Yup, it's good but Opera on the HD2 works faster, is as intuitive as Safari and the screen resolution gives HD2 an easy win. The only thing better in Safari is that when you want to open a YT movie you can do it from Safari (it opens in the YT application). Here all you see are the borders of the movie with a text "plugin required" - that's the only flaw of the HD2, but browsing is waaay better;

3) You wrote a lot about apps for the iPhone and yes there are thousands of them. But let's face it most of them is crap. On the other hand you can customize the HD2 the way you want - with iPhone it's impossible. I woulnd't say draw but the iPhone is not such a killer - if you want games and crap apps go with the iPhone. I love the iPhone for games but for me it's too limited in matter of other things;

4) Multitasking - the lack of multitasking is well hidden on the iPhone but it's a good and welcomed feature - this is why I always preffered Symbian and WM phones.

For me the phone has to meet several requirements:

1) good GPS (winner: HD2)

2) Browsing (winner: HD2 - due to screen resolution)

3) Camera (winner: HD2 - no need to argue about that ;))

4) Easy to use (winner: draw - the iPhone is really intuitive, but you can configure the HD2 the way it suits you and the iPhone you can't so...)

5) Phone, multimedia, transfers functions and so on (winner: HD2 - the iPhone is still too limited)

6) Multitasking (winner: HD2)

7) Stability (winner: iPhone)

8) Portability (winner: draw - the iPhone is a little bit smaller [but just a bit], but the HD2 seems to work longer on the battery and you CAN change batteries. On the other hand the iPhone charges faaast! Anyway they're both big.)

9) Apps (winner: iPhone obviously)

10) Quality (winner: HD2 - the iPhone is solid but the back made of metal sucks - even if you keep it in your pocket it will become scratched just after few weeks).

To sum up:

HD2 vs. iPhone: 8:4 (winner counted as 1:0, draw 1:1). HOWEVER for me the GPS and the camera are really important so I would add HD2 some extra points - even though the camera is only decent but it's better than iPhone's anyway so...

For me the clear winner: HD2. And still there are many other things to discuss (for example music playback - in my opinion on the HD2 the sound is better and you can put your mp3s directly to the memory card - no need to import them via iTunes).
[HD2 General] 3kgt:
Just wanna say Iphone is Overated!

People are acting like zoombies, every one with an Iphone in there hand, its more a fashon thing than Technical use!

a camera wich sucks a camels ball!

HD2 is aint perfekt, No phone is! But still it kicks Iphones ass by miles.
[HD2 General] arxx:
Back made of metal? Are you reffering to iPhne 1G?

I think both phones are great. If you had and equally rich appstore on HD2, it wouldn't be a question. One thing i miss from my iPhone, is that things just works :) But there are tons of reasons why...
[HD2 General] sheva999:
yah !you made the hd2 look cheap.you must an anti winmo .,so you let hd2 be the victim .

pity you.

boo iphone !at least hd2 doesnt have a china clone phone .

your 3g must be from the china clone brand. xD
[HD2 General] the-uki:
Not so sure. iPhone has a lot more useful apps: my internet provider has a dedicated app for iPhone and even sells ip webcams for a home surveillance app that is fantastic. I have Coyote for the road. Viamichelin for realtime view of trafic. Lots of reality-view apps using compas. My sat TV provider Canal+ provides an app that allows me to watch all my subscription chanels free of charge on the iphone, .... the list can go on for ever, I have more than 100 apps on iphone that are of primary use, that do not fart, and that do not exist for the WM platform
[HD2 General] eDaniel:
Lets face it! This smells like a cheap propaganda. Are you trying to convince the HD2 users that IPhone is better? Here, in the HD2 thread, in XDA-Developers? Did the fact that we have a total of 60 apps only (!!!!!!!!!!) in MS Marketplace makes the HD2 worse than IPhone?

P.S. The more exclamations (!!!!!!!!!!) you use, the more HD2 users will exchange their phones for IPhone.

Cheers
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
I have both and am waiting for android on HD2. I think even then it will still fall short but only just. The browsing experience on HD2 is better though and thats what I use the most in my mobile device. I much prefer the build of the HD2 as well.

Simple tip, carry an ipod touch for apps and music along with any smartphone, they are very cheap and super slim with 95% of the iphone apps.
[HD2 General] :
Haha funny thread, there is no competition here, there wasnt even competition between the old HD and iphone :D

Regards

Flashmore
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Proswitcher on the iphone has a beautiful multitasking UI.
[HD2 General] Goit:
for whoever said a 16gb sd card cost 50 euro, i picked one up for £25 from play.com
[HD2 General] Jim Coleman:
The HD2 has a beautiful multitasking UI.

While we're at it, moaning about there being "60" apps on Marketplace is ridiculous as there are tens of thousands of apps on the web. It's not our fault if you're too lazy to find them. Going on about watching TV on your iPhones is stupid too, your battery will soon go flat. I can watch TV using tvcatchup.com on my HD2 but I don't use it because it knackers battery life. Please get real. No-one watches TV on a phone.

The difference between WM users and iPhone users is that iPhone users download apps and then try to find a use for them, whereas WM users have a need for something first, then they find and download the app that fills the need. I personally have every app I want for my HD2, and I've only downloaded about a dozen.
[HD2 General] CraftyButcher:
"HD2 keypad impossible to type with"

Hmmm defiantly not agreeing there, Nexus One now thats an impossible to type with device lol...
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
you don't have a hd2
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
These threads are pretty much pointless, and add nothing to the forum except for somewhere for people to argue about nothing, but i'm bored so heres my thoughts.

The HD2 wins hands down, not just for hardware, the look, the useability, the alterability, the freedom to do with it pretty much as you please and the sheer gorgeousness of it, but also for the whole ethos behind apples business practices being nothing but an attempt to create their own hegemony, driving sheep into their cosy little slaughter house, sorry, appstore, using peoples inbuilt drive to be 'fashionable' to fleece them of not only their money, but their ability to think for themselves.

If theres even a fraction of doubt in your mind over whether the HD2 is better or not, then don't bother trying to think, get an iPhone and move on.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
There's nothing wrong with the player on the HD2. It even has features that the one on the iPhone doesn't have, like creating playlists on the device.

The headphones of the HD2 include media control buttons to play/pause, skip track or go back.

Honestly, I hated the iPhone's SMS client. I do not like HTC's either, I prefer the one that's built into Windows Mobile.

Yes, that's true. I had both an iPhone 3G and a Touch HD together and I can tell you, that the battery life of the Touch HD is at leas 50% longer, on some days it was even more, up to twice the battery life of the iPhone.

And that despite multitasking and being connected to IM services.

The iPhone 3GS has better battery life than the 3G, and the HD2 has worse battery life than the Touch HD, but still, the HD2 has the better battery life.

Have you thought about things like the camera? The iPhone's camera is completely useless for taking pictures. And of course the HD2's display is much better. If you're not sure about the software, then you should base your decision on the hardware, which is a clear win for the HD2.

And lastly, assuming that Windows Mobile 7 leaks for the HD2, would you want to miss that? :D
[HD2 General] Buino:
The Iphone is an Ipod with telefon functions nothing more nothing less .I had an Iphone and o yes plenty of apps but how much are really usefull?? only a handfull and finding those in a overcrowded store is not easy.

Iam back to WM with the HD2 and out of the box it has everything a bussenis/poweruser needs something you cannot say from the Iphone .

I had the HD up and running talking with my PC several pushemail accounts within a day ...while with the Iphone after a month I was still struggling.

Then again there is no battle here de HD2 is for bussenis people on the move the Iphone is for the ordinairy consumer who is more interested in music .

Both can do internet very well by browser or apps .

Its what you choose to use ...so many people so many wishes .
[HD2 General] freyberry:
The iPhone's telefone features suck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsQHRtUtW0c
[HD2 General] dcoales:
Hi freyberry,

I didn't realise the HD2 had media control buttons on the headphones. Of course I would be stuck with those headphones and the HTC media player (or do the media controls on other headphones work with the HTC player as well). Also I'm a SPB Mobile Shell guy rather then Manilla but it's still a valid point, the HTC player and headphones combined would be a perfectly good option.

I hadn't really thought about the camera as I don't use mine much. I should but I have no artistic flair and several albums worth of chopped heads and out of focus thumbs. I've kind of given up. Also I hate the way the cameras protrude out of the back of these devices. I've already got a couple of scratches on the square plastic cover over the lens of my HD. (If anyone knows how to fix it I could try taking the odd photo of my kids again before they finally leave home :-).

You're right of course about Mobile 7 and the whole equation may be radically different in a few weeks once we see what MS unwraps.

Of course there are many many rumours that Apple will announce a new iPhone plus OS at WMC as well to try and steal some of MS's thunder. But unless they fix the reflow issue in Safari I'm probably going to stick with MS.