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[HD2 General] jules_ht:
I've got a sim locked UK O2, so it's not looking good for the ROM update.

Under UK law, anything bought remotely (phone/web) can be returned within 14 days for a no questions refund. My 14 days runs out tomorrow, so if I don't return it I'm stuck with it for 2 years, on the basis that I HOPE a better ROM will sort it.

Sending it back for repairs/as faulty will also time out my right for a return and I'll be stuck with it (or a "fixed" one that I have no faith will be lots better).

No thanks- it's going back to O2. I'll keep an eye on the forum and if they sort it out upgrade again to the same phone, otherwise I'll see what else is out there.

Gutted, in so many other ways it's an awesome bit of kit. Only phone I've ever felt I've had to send back (and I got my first phone in 1993).
[HD2 General] sajgre:
Unlike the majority of you I can type really fast and accurate BUT on the portrait keyboad and without reduced sensitivity of it. On the landscape I make a lot mistakes... :)
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Same here, Portrait mode is fine but not in landscape, not sure why although landscape should be easier
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
I find it truly amazing so many people can whine and moan about a phone's keyboard, not to mention actually return their phone.

A) The keyboard has been or will be fixed with a firmware update which anyone can apply with a bit of research (even those with phones purchased from O2 for example).

B) There are numerous, easy to install alternatives, many of which have been talked about on this very thread (SPB Keyboard and SlideIT being just two examples which I have tried personally and work fine).

I would suggest someone who is selling this phone purely because they don't like the keyboard has ridiculously high expectations from a phone's initial firmware.
[HD2 General] jakem:
I think it's pretty reasonable to expect that something that costs £500 will be perfect.
[HD2 General] kinnyfaifai:
I agree, and I feel the same way too after forking out the cash for it. However, there is no perfect in anything! It's can you live with it, or can you not? For those that have returned the phone, knowing the specs already, could've just tried out the onscreen on an iPhone to see if they liked it or not.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Not everything is perfect.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Ladys fingers

If you had big fat fingers like mine you wouldn't say that.

I am an official HTC fanboy but the keyboard is getting me down.

I used my old HD today witha stylus and it was easy I am sorry to say.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
We all expect bugs and things to be less than perfect but COME ON, I don't class the call and text input problems on the HD2 as minor faults which people should be quite happy to sit around with and 'hope' they will be fixed at some point in the future. These are MASSIVE, MASSIVE problems and completely unnacceptable on *any* phone, even a £20 one from the supermarket. In this day and age, with so many nice phones about, people do not have to accept shoddy kit just because it has a nice screen.
[HD2 General] aussiebum:
*sigh*... it's not that hard to install another keyboard is it? There are plenty of good alternative keyboards and some of them are even FREE (see my previous post in this thread).

And if you don't like HTC Messaging you DO realise you can actually DISABLE it right? Thread's right here, one google away: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=556614

Yes, it's an expensive device and you are entitled to expect things to work just perfect, but no device is like that. The 1st iphone had it's fair share of issues and even the most recent iphone 3gs had problems with overheating and exploding batteries. Or the N97 and it's crappy slow performance when it 1st came out.

If you want a device that works just the way YOU want it, then CUSTOMISE IT TO YOUR LIKING and stop whining. That's not going to fix the bits you don't like about your phone after all.
[HD2 General] jules_ht:
Well as I said, it's going back, until I can see that these problems are resolved.

I'm not going to waive my right to undo my upgrade and go back to my old phone, on the basis that they might be fixed at some point in the future.

That there seems to be such a division between those who think it's useless and those that think it's fine, worries me. I cannot trust people's views suggesting that alternative keyboards or new ROMs will fix it, because of the wide range of views on what is and isn't acceptable. I've followed a few of the pieces of advice in this thread and they've made very little difference.

Perhaps it's just a question of a touch screen keyboard being not for me.

Either way, if it goes back now I am where I was a fortnight ago and can upgrade to a HD2 again in a month when they've sorted out the firmware. If they don't sort it out, and something else decent comes out, then I'll have that instead. If I wait even 1 day I lose my rights and am stuck on a 2 year contract with it.

I've logged the call, so even if I sit on it over the weekend and try the rest of the suggestions, then I'm still technically within my 2 weeks and can return it middle of next week.

The only argument I can see for persisting ad infinitum waiting for fixes is that I've bought a car adaptor and 16gb memory card for it.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
I disagree, nothing is perfect, especially something that has only just hit the shelves. You must spend a lot of time living with disappointment.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I agree with you on the keyboard...I come from an iphone which to be hoest was a joy to use and the keyboard was outstanding....and if I didn't need a business phone I would have stuck with it,

but...the locked down state of the iphone was a massive no no for me, plus it didn't have some simple functionality that I really needed.

the HD2, is not the greatest, but I can live with it after a few tweaks..it still frstrates me at times though.

of course, the ideal solution would be the iphone screen running windows OS...that really would be the nads!!
[HD2 General] loomx:
How about iPhone like responce and so on, but on a 800x400 4.3 inch screen... WM7 should hopefully bring that!
[HD2 General] maati:
The HD2 has the exact same screen + response as the iPhone.
[HD2 General] Thuggie:
The cab for reducing the sensitivity actually worked a lot for me and I don't have any problems with typing on it anymore.
[HD2 General] jakem:
:p Yes you may be right but we can always hope. I don't really live in the fantasy world that my comment would suggest I live in but, as a general rule, it would be nice if companies could ensure that their products work at release or at least provide exceptional after-sales support when something goes wrong.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
it does not!!!

I've never read a single complaint about typing on the iphone....yet there are loads of complaints on lots of forums about typing on the HD2.

they are worlds apart....
[HD2 General] ilhantug:
The same here.. the errors I was making while typing was getting to be really annoying until I installed the sensitivity cab. It really makes a big difference!!
[HD2 General] maati:
Sorry, but that's just bull****.

I've had an iPhone for a long time. It's EXACTLY the same.

Only issue with the HD2's keyboard is that it takes the last key your finger is on, not the first one. If your finger slips from on key to another, you type the second one. That's not good, but I nonetheless I can type faster on the HD2 than on the iPhone.

And you get lots of alternative keyboards, if you don't like the one that's built in.
[HD2 General] gareth824:
You didn't look far then because myself and 3 friends all had iPhones and we all got rid of them. Typing was crap and the phone was a joke.
[HD2 General] mofei1:
I also had a lot of problems typing on the hd2 until now. there's an auto correct setting as well as an autocomplete setting which has improved things drastically for me. these setting are off by default but can be found by going to settings- all settings -personal-input-options
[HD2 General] _tangent:
In my experience the keyboard registers precisely the key you press. If you bear in mind it's a capacitive screen and keep the hits nice and light, then i find it pretty easy to use. The faster you go, the less accurate the presses become, and so you need the predictive stuff to increase overall word accuracy, which it does admirably i find.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I pride myself on never having used predictive text and I'm not going to be forced into it by a crap keyboard.
[HD2 General] _tangent:
Well far be it from me to deny a man/woman their pride, but i don't see it as such a compromise. Auto complete can make typing a lot faster, even if you never make a single mistake. Can't you just tell yourself that's why you're doing it? :P
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I've just had a try and it doesn't seem to complete any words? :confused:
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
As I pointed out earlier. This thread would just about be justified if it was a put up or shut up situation but it clearly isn't. I have three alternative keyboards installed on my Leo and switching between them is a breeze. I really don't see what the big deal is.
[HD2 General] jules_ht:
I've managed to install the sensitivity cab, and it does make a big difference. It has made it a bit less willing to be pressed first time (for example with keypad lock, or scrolling on the web, and sometimes it'll go into a message rather than scrolling through them), and I've not finally made up my mind yet, despite having phoned to send it back. The cab has bought the phone a stay of execution over the weekend.

One thing I will say, is that yes, installing the cab was easy, but experienced XDA users might bear in mind that for some of us this is our first windows based mobile. Installing different keyboards, and sensitivity cabs, and making registry changes, can be a bit daunting- and we expect (through experience with other phones) a finished article ready to use, not some good hardware that we need to tweak. I guess that's what you buy into when you take a phone like this, but it is a bit of a shift.

The other thing I think I'm finding, is that this screen seems much more sensitive to ambient conditions. Sat at my desk all cozy I don't have much of an issue. Last night after playing football, when the phone was freezing cold in the car, and my fingers cold and moist, I did have a lot more difficulty getting it to play ball.
[HD2 General] kinnyfaifai:
Short of getting someone to do it for you, you can't get anymore easy than installing a cab kindly made by others.

As for expecting the finished article, you are quite right in setting that expectation, however, mobile phones have evolved so much it's no longer offers just the ability to make calls. For all products, the more features you try to include the more chance of there being bugs, flaws etc, no matter how much testing goes into it. To get a perfect device we'll still be using a brick of a mobile.
[HD2 General] Confusion:
Different Screens?????

Hello,

Well over here we really have something strange,

Over here I have 7 Leo's (No there not mine:()

Of the 7 Leo's right out of the box I can type Perfectly on 3 Leo's like i'm the f*cking Type Master Of The Universe.

On the other 4 i get mistyping letters, spooky reaction on te screen and al that sort of things. In ABC Mode and XT9.

On all the 7 Leo's the same text has been typed, and all in the sms function.

I have checked the roms, there all the same, I did NOT do a screen align of some other stuff. just right out of the box.

I marked the 3 goodtyping Leo's on the inside where you put your battery, then i hardreset all the 7 Leo's and tried again.

Result: the 3 marked Leo's Come out of the Test again as the best. the other 4 alot of mistyped letters and stuff.

To make really sure I resetted al the 7 Leo again (yes again) invited some friends, and let them type on the 7 Leo's.

Result: once again the 3 marked Leo's came out as the best typing ones...

I have contact HTC about this but still no answer..:(

So it seems there is a differents in the 7 Leo's i have over here.

So that can be why some people say: i have no problem with typing, while someone else want to Burn the Damn thing;)

Once again all the roms on the 7 Leo's are the same, they have been hardreset, Registry have been checked, same text typed in sms function.

There al the same.

But only 3 of them make me and my friends Typemasters Of The Universe;)

Just wanted to share this info with you.

Now still waiting for a answer of HTC.

Greetings Confusion
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
It's your imagination.
[HD2 General] Confusion:
Then Please Tell me how 6 different people all pick the same 3 leo's as the better typing ones who are marked on the inside so nobody could see which ones are marked as the better typing set.

All 7 Leo's are randomly switch everytime when 1 person has typed on every leo and pointed out which are for hem/her the better typing models.

after pointed we took out te battery to see if the phone had the marks and and all 3 phones with the mark are picked out as better typing.

So for the next person we closed all the phones hussle them and go's on his typing adventure,

Oh there they are again the same 3 models.:)

So your answer is saying that all 7 persons incl. me have the same Imagination, if it comes to typing on the Phones... and some of them never have seen a Leo Before

Greetzings
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
Just got my Leo .. and I agree. It is too sensitive. Sometimes it detects touch when I did not actually touch the screen yet.

Sensitivity cab helped a lot, but I still would prefer a little less sensitivity.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Here's a possibility; I wasn't being entirely serious.
[HD2 General] omneity:
Upgrading to the 1.48 ROM makes a lot of difference IMHO. If you're not happy to flash yourself, it might be worth talking to your service provider as an official vendor sepcific 1.48 ROM update should be available soon.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
I had two at one point and I deffinatly recall that one was slighty easier to type on due to being less sensitive.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
Ha ha ha ha Thanks man, you gave me a good start at my day :)

I have told my phone to go to hell a couple of times when trying to reply to a text message, but it seems like i am getting better and better day by day in typing.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Piece of Mind

Firmware??? Do you mean a new rom?

I have just tried cliquick and am happy.

Hey Chronicle, before you toss your piece of doggy do, can I have it?

As someone said, thank god it's WM 'cause if you don't like the KB, you can just install another one.
[HD2 General] ThoroSOE:
Before throwing it away and blindly trying alternative keyboards you could give this a shot (from the hints and tips thread):

44. Prevent Accidental Link Activation When Scrolling

Do you scroll and find you accidentally click on something? This tweak is for you.

HKLM/System/GWE/Touch/Filter/Minimumtaptime

Change from 0 to 30

I found that this combined with the sensibility CAB vastly reduces unwanted keypresses on the keyboard as well. Although I recommend a value of 10 to 15 rather than 30 scince I found the touchscreen feeling a tad unresponsive with taptime on 30.
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
" Xaddict:I have just tried cliquick and am happy"

Thanks for the credits!

IMHO the two best alternative keyboards for the HD2 are:

1. SlideIT by Dasur, certainly when they have solved the landcsape issue

2. Indeed:Cliquick

With SlideIT I'm capable of "sliding" one entire screen of text within a very short time. It's also capable of adding self-defined shortcuts of your most used sentences/phrases,
[HD2 General] babybungbu:
Iphone is by far the most wonderful vitual keyboard I've ever used! Although HD2 has bigger screen, but its keyboard, frankly, is awful. It lacks speech, accuracy and usability!
[HD2 General] hkgolfnut:
Anyone know how to bring back the "Letter Recognizer" to HD2; can't stand that keyboard.
[HD2 General] greatcapp:
I would seriously advise anybody, who, like me, has struggled with the HD2 native keyboard, to give Touchpal a try. I'm finding I can type as quickly & accurately with that as I can with my iPhone.
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
I can advice the same for SlideIT by Dasur!
[HD2 General] jonboyuk:
I have to say, I can type quicker on my HD2 than I could with the iPhone...hmm
[HD2 General] razorblader:
The keyboard is absolutely fine on my HD2 (also compared to my Iphone 3GS), so is the in-call volume, can't really understand some of the whining, do certain people have other devices? Sensitivity of the screen as well as min/max volume can be adjusted via the registry btw, it's not like you can't experiment if you don't like your experience.
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
It's not that you can .. it's that you MUST. But hey .. I had WM before .. at least I knew what I'm doing .. :D
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
could you please tell me how to adjust the min/max volume via the registry cause my in-call volume is just too high. The rest of my HD2 is fine, including the KB. thanks in advance, Kuzibri
[HD2 General] sunking101:
There is no known fix for the volume bug yet. There is a supposed registry fix on these boards but it doesn't work, so save yourself the bother of hunting for it.
[HD2 General] jakem:
Must? I haven't had to change anything in the registry and my keyboard/volume are fine.

IMO these aren't bugs. They're hardware problems with individual units.
[HD2 General] kholk:
They aren't hardware problems.

That's just what HTC wanted to distribute :)
[HD2 General] aussiebum:
... you have tried pressing the volume down key when in-call, right? :)
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
yes of course, it's even set to 0
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
If you don't mind, I would like to wait for the answer of Razorblade. I know that supposed fixes did not work, maybe he has one we do not know of yet. I like to be my glass always to be half filled instead of half empty.
[HD2 General] parianos:
hd to hd2 and back to hd

I have a hd and had moved to hd2. It just took 2 days and i'm using back my HD.

The keyboard is bad bad bad,

Bluetoth problems, we go back in time in place to go forward, you can't make a remote call by pressing the button on the bt devise.

If you dont use your bt device it wont reconect automatically, you have almost to play for 15 minutes before it recognise etc.

A lot of program's make use of drop down menus it takes almost 1 minute to make the right choice. etc etc.

Halo HTC is any body reading this.

Do something on this problems because you can, but the device at the current state is useless to me any way!!!
[HD2 General] shu8i:
found a veeeeeeeeeeeery good replacement for the default keyboard... PocketCM Keyboard v 1.4 with this enhancement: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=68078

it's perfect!
[HD2 General] maati:
@all

What's your problem?! You can choose from hundreds of different keyboards if you don't like the default one!

You can't do this on a stupid iPhone or other "smart"phones!

Just stop whining now, you're ridiculous. And change the DOG$H!T thread title!!
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Good to see you have so much patience and perseverance. I mean two whole days, who could ever argue with your conclusions with such a painstaking and thorough trial? *

* may contain sarcasm.
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
I don't get what all the issues are about? I've no issues what-so-ever and I've used 2 HD2s now.
[HD2 General] kuzibri:
Second that!! I'm fed up with all those threads starting with/containing words like sh&t, POS, f&cking, dumbasses, etc. Think before you post and use proper language. Cursing language is contra productive.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
The keyboard IS absolutely terrible though and it induces such frustration that expletives are totally necessary! I can't stand typing on it and still make errors in every single word after almost two weeks with the device.

As for installing different keyboards, we shouldn't have to!!!! How incompetent is it of HTC to ship this device with a lousy keypad?? I am a heavy texter but positively shy away from text entry on this handset.

Going back to these different third-party keyboards, name me one which satisfies ALL these requirements:

Free of charge

Works in landscape and portrait

Is error-free in use like a keyboard should be

Is easy to install

Links please if such a keyboard exists...
[HD2 General] christos299:
I switched yesterday to the new (unofficial) 1.48 ROM and, I must say, typing is much easier now... So, I agree with the previous posts on this issue.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I have an O2 contract phone, locked, so I can't flash the new ROM. :(
[HD2 General] omneity:
I did. :D

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[HD2 General] spastik:
why don't you use a gold card to update your phone ?
[HD2 General] sunking101:
To be honest I don't understand the process and also, I am waiting for O2 to get replacement stock before I return mine. I am worried that I will not be able to revert the ROM back to the O2 version before I return the handset...
[HD2 General] omneity:
I thought you had given up on the HD2 and decided upon a iPhone?
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Where have I ever said that??? I am awaiting more stock so that I can exchange my HD2 for another handset. Hopefully my volume issues will be hardware-related...
[HD2 General] maati:
That's nonsense. Complete nonsense!

The keyboard is EXACTLY the same that you find on other devices. It's just YOU who is not able to use it properly.

In that case, just buy a device with a resistive screen or a hardware keyboard.

The default keyboard is the same as on other devices, like the iPhone, it's not worse nor better. (well, actually, I can type FASTER on the HD2 than I could on the iPhone)

Plus, you get the possibility of replacing it with hundreds of other keyboards, a thing that you can't do on ANY other phone that doesn't run WM.

So stop whining. What you get on the HD2 is better than anything on any other device!
[HD2 General] jakem:
You can hardly complain about the keyboard if you refuse to use it properly. Switch on XT9 and you will find that 99% of your troubles will disappear.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
LOL!! :D

I'm a hardcore texter bud, I've probably tapped out more texts than you've had minutes in bed so don't tell me what constitutes a good keyboard or not. The HD2 has hands-down the worst keyboard I've ever typed on. I've never tried the iPhone so am not interested in comparing which phones are worse to type on than the HD2. If such a phone exists then I pity its owner. Perhaps the new ROM fixes it, I don't know. I have got the sensitivity cab installed and typing is still a nightmare....and I've owned the handset for almost two weeks now, so you can't say I haven't got used to it yet. I'd love to know how many texts and emails *you* type because I'm figuring it can't be many! Also, do you use that predictive text nonsense? I don't, I type the letters in each word and I assure you that I encounter errors in every single word I type, unless I type at a ridiculously slow speed.
[HD2 General] tobiholz:
Hey out there,

i'm just waiting for my Leo and hope it'll be there before Christmas ;)

I'm afraid of what you tell me about that weired Keyboard...So I looked for those alternatives mentioned:

1. SlideIT

2. Shapewriter

Now I've got some questions ;)

I really like that "Sense-Design"...in my opinion it makes this device really look great ;) Do you have pictures where I can see how those Keyboards fit into the Over-All-Design? Cause if they look like sh** I prefer bad typing ;)

Do they support the landscape-mode? Does the native keyboard support this method? Sorry for that but I was not able to test it before ;)

I think i read somewhere that the screenresolution is to great for those keyboards...is that correct?

I'm afraid i bought the wrong device :( But I really don't like the iPhone ;)

thanks for that

Tobias