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[Imagio General] yatman60:
My considerations for one over the other

Factors I considered at the time of purchase:

1) Availablility. Omnia II wasn't out and I got my Imagio the day it was released.

2) Form Factor. Not that the Omnia II is huge by any means, but I like the slimness of the Imagio. Fits into my front pockets on my jeans no problem.

3)Window Mobile 6.5 vs. 6.1. Omnia II was supposed to have 6.5 but it looks like it's releasing with 6.1.

Those pretty much covered it. I don't think the slight difference in processor speed is going to be that noticable between the two phones so I didn't consider that as a factor.
[Imagio General] waycoolkennel:
Understood.. Verizon does list the Omnia II with 6.5 .. good points.. I waited an extra month to get a new phone due to NE2.. $50 thats it... I was hoping it was a $100.. for that I would have upgraded a month ago ..

Off to Verizon to get one of each in my hand.. see which is better.. if the Omnia II is the same size weight as the orig.. then Imagio it will be...
[Imagio General] bppellerito:
Owned the omnia and gave up on it because too many dropped calls. The Imagio is much better. If the Omnia II is anything like the Omnia with regards to signal reception I would stay away.
[Imagio General] waycoolkennel:
alright.. have the Imagio in my hands... have 30 days.. to decide..

I have to admit.. the Eris was awful attractive... but I cant do Android at this point...

I am rather flustered with the touch flo.. I like the today screen.. then I wish I just had the 6.5 only.. the email preview.. etc.. is a just a pain.. I get alot of emails and seeing a preview of the first one.. is wasted.. I need to see a list of my inbox..

Same goes for txt messages...

Will do some work and try to make this better. but will take a bit of work...

Time to dig in .. and get started :)
[Imagio General] BRosenow:
WM UI

I understand your frustration with the UI. I like TouchFlo but wish I could customize it, I don't really like the WM 6.5 Today screen.

Have you looked at SPB Mobile Shell? It is about as customizable as you could want, and you can download a demo and try it out before you buy it. Give it a look at http://www.spbsoftwarehouse.com/products/mobileshell/

As for Android - my wife has T-Mobile and she just got a Samsung Behold II - really nice device, but I have to admit, after playing with it for a few days I kept wishing it had WM 6.5 on it.
[Imagio General] mikebbass:
and here I am wishing my Imagio had Android on it. Maybe we are all too geeky to every be happy.
[Imagio General] mallman:
turn touch flo off then.Go to settings, all settings, today, items tab, uncheck touch flo and check windows default. I dont use touchflo, its great if its new for the ooo aaaaahhh factor but then you realize the imagio isnt a powerhouse and that sucks up probably 20% of the resources.Turn it off and look at your resources magically come back. another added benefit to not using touch flo. And if HSPL ever gets done the imagio will only get better.
[Imagio General] waycoolkennel:
I agree.. it is much snappier without touch flo.. I guess I can look at some other home screens the default is pretty lame IMO..

I mean.. is it too much to ask to have a nice clock/weather/notifications etc.. on the home screen..and of course a simple favorite app launcher should be madatory imo.

If android would fully implement activesync I would be willing to give Android a shot.. but right now its half baked at best.. I'm an Exchange/Acitve Directory admin.. so this is pretty much mandatory...

I'll look around at some of the third party home screens...

Thanks for the feedback !
[Imagio General] waycoolkennel:
Well.. GAME OVER !

Thanks for the suggestion to try SPB Mobile Shell.. Freakin AWESOME ! I love it ! SOLD!

Between SPB Shell, WiFi Router, Free Caddie, Resco, Taskbar updates etc.. This phone ROCKS !!!!!

Could it be "faster" yes.. I think it could. but.. dang it works GOOD ! I'm stoked !!!!

Thanks again for the suggestion Brian !!! I cant believe anyone would have WM 6.5 without SPB Shell !
[Imagio General] BRosenow:
TouchFlo vs SPB Mobile Shell

My pleasure. For those who have actually tried SPB Mobile Shell, that seems to be the consesus.
[Imagio General] ncvajja:
Ok...so You can disable TF3D if you want....and just stick to win 6.5...trust me you will hate that.

Second being the email preview...try the flick action on the email it sorts previews of all the emails in that inbox....easy...and same with txt mssgs.

or the bottom left has an all ___ option which takes you to a complete list....

Hope it helped
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] bradyonly:
Hey all,

First time contributor, long time skulker.

Don't know about you guys but the sounds for the original keyboard are kind of loud and harsh, same with the effect for selecting things on the screen. But I like the sound feedback option so I made some alternate sounds to try out. The keyboard his a higher pitch pop and the screen selection has a lower pitch pop.

I've attached the new sounds plus the original as well as two batch files for pushing the sounds. I haven't quite learned how to make an apk or an easier way than using ADB (I don't think you can for thikind of change...)

Unfortunately this doesn't work for HTC_IME, I'm still looking for where those files are stored...

Here's what's in the batch files in case you're paranoid with regards to what's in them.

pushpopsounds.bat

adb remount
adb push keyboard_pop.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressStandard.ogg
adb push keyboard_pop.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressSpacebar.ogg
adb push keyboard_pop.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressReturn.ogg
adb push keyboard_pop.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressDelete.ogg
adb push effect_pop.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/Effect_Tick.ogg
adb shell reboot
pause

pushoriginalsounds.bat

adb remount
adb push KeypressStandard.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressStandard.ogg
adb push KeypressSpacebar.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressSpacebar.ogg
adb push KeypressReturn.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressReturn.ogg
adb push KeypressDelete.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/KeypressDelete.ogg
adb push Effect_Tick.ogg /system/media/audio/ui/Effect_Tick.ogg
adb shell reboot
pause

All you need is a rooted device and adb setup on your machine. Then just plug in your device, run the bat file and your phone will restart with the new sounds. If you don't like them and want the originals back then run the other batch file and the orginal sounds will be pushed back and you'll be good to go.

If you want to change them in any way you can edit OGG files with Audacity a free sound editor.

You can find it here:

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

And if you need help installing ADB there's an awesome wiki here:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Sapphire_Hacking
[HD2 General] tsttse:
whoops.. clicked submit twice by accident.. *see other thread*

Op: please delete, thanks.
[HD2 General] tsttse:
I have a Hong Kong version of the phone which comes with a keyboard setting that allow me to write Chinese characters... The problem is if I am in notes and i just want to draw, it is VERY VERY hard to draw properly, the sensitivity is very low and often you get jumps. but if i turn on the keyboard and write chinese in the EXACT way, it recognizes my pressure points exactly! ie if i try to draw a circle of 1cm in diameter, i won't be able to do it in notes, but i can do it in keyboard hand writing recognition mode...

Perhaps something is wrong with Notes program? ie some senitivity settings need to be changed? I don't have any other drawing programs to test things on...

edit: after going in and out of the keyboard i can now draw circles in notes.. but still no chinese characters... hmmm wtf
[HD2 General] joker.mn:
hey guys, i had my 1 1/2 weeks old HD2 in my pocket and on pulling it out of there it showed some kind of imprint in the mid of the screen.

seems as if there was pressure on the glass in the middle of the screen which now somehow fused with display :(

the display still works, but one can see a dark spot in the middle of the screen, pretty as long as a pinky finger.

does anyone know how to fix that? or should i simply ask for replacement?

thanks in advance, photos will follow as soon as i find something to take pictures.
[HD2 General] kashumer:
I had the samething. Really strange, when I spoke to HTC they said that I should send it in to repair. However you should go back to the store and get a replacement esp since you've only had it for a week and a half.

However if your with Vodafone you may have quite a wait for a replacement.

Hut go back to the store to get a exchange, they should do that as you can get a replacement phone for the first 28 days.

Hope that helps

By the way just took a look at your picture and it is almost a carbon copy of what happened to mine.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
I had this happen to my old orbit, with its resitive screen and no hard plastic over the screen, but it used to disappear after a few hours, is yours permenant?
[Touch HD General] >On_the_way_to_the_toP<:
couldn't find anything to this topic :o

need a step by step how-to & I also would like to know where to download the ROM ?!?! and all that tools...

thanks !
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Follow the dummies guide for step-by-step guidance and post further flashing queries within that thread.

No official wm6.5 roms available as HTC aren't releasing it for the HD. You canhowever find plenty of cooked wm6.5 roms here

Thread closed
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Stoferr:
pocketnow.com/software-1/touch-dimensions-releases-a-new-game-for-christmas

Anyone knows if this game works on HD2?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] lancelot54:
yes, it works on.
[Windows Mobile Themes] leonardoaraujo:
can someone tell me how to edit images of SPB mobile shell, and what free program can I use?
[Windows Mobile Themes] teacher1960:
try Gimp at www.gimp.org wonderful program and many tutorials on the net just google "gimp tutorials". not as good looking as Photoshop but it can do most of the same things, you can also work with Photoshop brushes and files and save in just about any format out there
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] denco7:
Just FYI, HTC released a couple of hotfixes for the Tilt 2 and the Pure

http://www.htc.com/us/support/tilt-2-att/downloads/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sk8mdw:
Sweet, thanks for the heads-up!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
oh excellent! they fixed my two issues i have with it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eknutson:
Sorry for this n00b-ish question, but...

I just see the 3 PDF files from the 2nd of Oct, '09. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks!

~Eric
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] UnusualSuspect:
I had the same problem 'til I flushed my browser cache and tried again. refreshing the page didn't do it for me, I had to delete my browsing history and then click the link again.

HTH

Mike
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eknutson:
Bingo! Thanks =)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
i wonder what it changes to survive the hard reset.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dwboston:
It actually runs kind of like a ROM update. It resets the phone then installs the hotfixes before at the AT&T World Phone splash screen with the ROM and Radio info before WM loads. Interestingly the Radio says "None" on that screen when the update program is running.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ctbear:
does the SMS fix helps improving the sense 2.5 SMS client running on the Tilt2?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
if you flash a new rom you need to do the fixes again right? any cabs yet?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Hmmm, I wonder if this is utilizing the vastly underused Windows Mobile Image Update system. It sure sounds like it, but I can't test since I'm not on a stock ROM.

EDIT: It seems it is using Image Update! I extracted the installer and found two .cab.pku files. According to Da_G, this is what they do:

EDIT2: I've extracted both .cab.pku files, and one gave me a single .dsm, while the other gave me a .dsm, a DLL relating to EZinput, and a .rgu file containing registry entries. Not very useful information, but still nice to see that AT&T is taking the initiative to use this underused Windows Mobile feature.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] prjkthack:
Question is how to get these updates installed onto a ROM other than the stock one. It seems to do some type of validation before installation, and refuses to install on a ROM other than the stock one.

I suppose chefs will have to cook these fixes in, or someone will need to create a CAB or learn how to mess with the Image Update fixes?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mskovrinskie:
Just as a caution, don't try to apply these updates to a reconstructed ATT Tilt2 ROM (in case you flashed to cooked ROMS and then went back to one that is supposed to be like retail).

The HTC hotfix installation starts as the verification passes, but then at least on my device, it was stuck in a reboot loop. I had to flash to another cooked ROM and then flash back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jh20001:
It would be interesting if we can find a way to update TouchFlo to the latest release using this method. That way you can update touchFlo while keeping AT&T's stock rom and not have to flash a new one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Unfortunately, it's extremely unlikely that will happen with AT&T's stock ROM. Image Updates are signed, and are checked against certs that are cooked into the ROM. This ensures that only the OEM or carrier can release these updates (kinda like how ROMs are signed so only the OEM or carrier can release updates). The Image Updates will refuse to install if the certificates can't verify the update, and there's no way we're going to get AT&T's security certificates. So unless someone gets those, you're out of luck.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vnb28:
I installed the 2 fixes that where on the htc website but now when i go to the start menu i only get a 3 row menu, how do i change it back to a 4 row menu
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AngelDeath:
Okay here's a problem, I installed the SMS fix that was on HTC's website, that went without a hitch, but when I tried to install the inconsistent Caller ID hotfix, it said it was incompatible with my device. I have the stock ATT rom. Anyone else have this issue?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kizzle07:
Yep same here...stock AT&T ROM and getting the same error when I try to install the Caller ID HotFix....hopefully they fix it because I have this happen a lot with the CallerID not showing up on my device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Dangerously:
How old are your devices? This fix might be for older devices. I had my original Tilt 2 replaced due to a faulty ROM or radio chip which would boot loop my device before the red version numbers would show on the AT&T logo boot screen. The version numbers on the new Tilt 2 seem to be updated. I would guess if I were to run the updates, I would be in the same boat...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonrobertd:
mines less than a month old and the updates ran (att tilt 2)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dwboston:
Same here. Ran the caller ID fix first, then the SMS fix. Both ran without an issue.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonrobertd:
me too, that may be the problem
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AngelDeath:
Mine is less then a week old.

Dev Info:

Rom version: 1.59.502.3 (67150) WWE

Rom Date 9/25/09

Radio Version: 4.48.25.20

Protocol Version: 61.39tc.25.30H

And Since adding the SMS fix, I have had my phone crash 2x when hitting reply, and getting the full screen to txt and when I hit I think the xt9/abc button (not sure guessing) as I push the screen up to expose the keyboard, the phone crashes and I have to take the battery out to reset it, happened 2x today, never before this fix in ther week I have had the phone. Any way possible to remove this fix for the sms?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eras2r:
I want to make cabs out of these updates. Unfortunately since it's using the Image Update System, I cannot because I do not have a stock ATT rom anymore.

Can someone running the stock ATT ROM:

Hard Reset

Install Hotfixes

Dump Phone: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=501871

Upload the raw files to somewhere I can grab them
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
I think you're making it too difficult for yourself. Download one of them, like the SMS fix .exe, and extract it with 7zip. If you extract the SMS fix EXE with 7zip, you should get two .cab.pku files, which are compressed just like cab files. Extract both .cab.pku file and you'll get a .dll file and some .dsm and .rgu files (which you can probably ignore). You generally put DLLs in the \Windows directory unless it's a special case, so try making a .cab that puts the DLL there. I don't think you need to worry about the .rgu or .dsm files, as I believe those are (in this case) relevant only to the Image Update package (it's a delta updater, and it needs the .dsm files to know the difference between the original package and the new one, to save space). Unless that doesn't work, I'd say that's the best way to do it.

Alternatively, you could probably use CabTools' pkg2cab.exe, to convert the OEM packages you extracted (from the .cab.pku files with 7zip) into .cab files.

Hope that helps
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eras2r:
Unfortunately it's not that simple. These are not regular files. The Image Update System uses a different type of file. I've been through all of this with Da_G and according to him the only way we can get these files is for someone to apply them to the ROM they were intended for and then dump that phone.

If you look at the files themselves after you extract everything, you'll see that none of them are usable. The dlls and exes are not recognized by PE Explorer and the rgu files are not txt files. This is due to the Image Update Format. If you want to read through Da_G's thread explaining this, you can do so here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=520009

So this being the case I still ask:

Can someone running the stock ATT ROM:

Hard Reset

Install Hotfixes

Dump Phone: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=501871

Upload the raw files to somewhere I can grab them
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
ill work on it after lunch and treemas day shopping. see what i can do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eras2r:
Just an FYI... I tested the hotfixes against both my and hergs reconstructed ROMs. Neither work. I believe that the certificates that get verified are in a different part of the RAW files than what we use to construct a rom. Da_G says we need to do this on the real signed stock ATT rom and then dump the phone after. Since we know what files it updates, we can just grab them from the dumped phone (as modules or files) and make an OEM for chefs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] princeasi:
Heres a dump of my official rom with the hotfixes included!

http://rapidshare.com/files/323626745/ATT_DUMP_with_Hotfixes.part1.rar.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/323626925/ATT_DUMP_with_Hotfixes.part2.rar.html

http://rapidshare.com/files/323625407/ATT_DUMP_with_Hotfixes.part3.rar.html
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eras2r:
Thanks sooooo much... I'll get to work on this stat!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] princeasi:
No sir, Thank You for your great work!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] brad_wp:
Just a couple questions. Is the caller ID hotfix addressing the issue of a call coming through normally, then after it is answered it says you're talking to a private caller even if before the call was answered it had the correct caller ID info? Also, any other strange crashes in use after you installed this that you weren't having before?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eras2r:
So it looks like there is an issue with the SMS hotfix. The rgu's and dll modules seem corrupt.

The CallerID hotfix seems to produce valid files - which I am testing in my ROM currently.

So we may be outta luck on the SMS, unless someone else with the hotfixes installed can dump their phone and upload somewhere. Then I can compare the 2 dumps.

I will keep everyone posted.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jh20001:
idk if the hotfixes caused it but I don't remember it happening before: Recently since I installed the hot fixes, the phone likes to randomly lockup in what its working on...won't respond to any buttons, but once I pull the stylus out...it unfreezes. Has anyone experienced this glitch?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] princeasi:
Well i just tried to apply the sms hotifx again, and now its reading that the hotfix is not compatible with my device! Could this be an error or a way for us not to install twice?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eras2r:
It will not let you install twice. The way that it works, is that the Update installs to a part of the Phone that we normally do not use. Then on reboot, it does a bunch of checking against versions and certificates and actually updates the IMGFS part of the phone where our ROMs sit. That is how it survives a hard reset, because it updates the actual ROM.

I wouldn't think you could install twice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] princeasi:
ok got it, Thank!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kenyaata:
i am unable to install the sms fix on my tilt 2. is the hotfix corrupt? What can I do to avoid the sms problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sambo60:
Hey guys,

I've got the tilt 2, and I am using one of sergio's cell pro ROMs. I've had the following caller ID issue ever since I got the phone, although I have not tried the stock ROM (I flashed right away). When I receive a call from a contact while I am already on a call, the caller ID shows unknown caller every time. If I'm not on a call, it works just fine. As was already described, I'm not able to install this hotfix because it says my device is not compatible. Do you think this hotfix would fix the problem? Would flashing to Stock, installing the hotfix, and then flashing back to the modified ROM work, or would the changes be overwritten when I flash back? Thanks for all the help you guys!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] SAURON_:
FYI

http://www.tomtom.com/products/section.php?ID=898&Section=709&Lid=1&Category=2 :eek:

Regards,
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Tom Lenferink:
Yes, TomTom Navigator 7 is allready compatible for a very long, long time.

As far as i know there are 3 versions TomTom 7 compatible with the TD2, 7.450 7.915 and 7.916, maybe even more.

All three mentioned above worked on my TD2.

I am waiting for TomTom Navigator 8 to come out so we can get ALG (Advanced Lane Guidance).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] bilal671:
Yea same here. Version 8 is really taking its time though, hope it does come one day lol
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Tom Lenferink:
TomTom navcore 8

TomTom with navcore 8 is allready available for the iPhone: http://www.tomtom.com/products/product.php?ID=940&Category=2&Lid=5

It is Version 1.2 but equal to navcore 8 with ALG (Advanced Lane Guidance) and IQ-Routes.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] bilal671:
Oo i didnt know that. Has that been out for a while or recently? Could mean update for the windows mobile version coming soon hopefully :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] SAURON_:
Thank you for information.

I will wait to TT8!!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] sualc:
Question is, is TT7 compatible with Topaz "as is" or with XDA's Audio Fix??:D

I read in early TT7 threads that tontom answered to worried people that they would not support our device..and now it suddenly appears in the list of compatible devices...mistery..Awaiting for the 8 version, TT7 is legacy from the past made working only by brilliant people hanging around this great forum