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[HD2 General] Beards:
Normally I would completely agree with this statement, I've endorsed it many times myself.

However, in the case of the HD2's screen it is tough and I mean TOUGH.

e.g. Clear screen no protector, run a knife down the screen and the knife glides across without any problems.

Now place a protector on and do the same....... There's a good chance the protector will end up damaged.

In other words the protector is not really protecting the screen..... not when the screen is actually tougher than the protector. :)
[HD2 General] Archer:
If I'm about to fall over with my phone in my hand and drop it, face down, so it goes sliding across the pavement, I'd rather knacker a screen protector that cost a few quid, than the screen! Yeah, it's tough as houses, but I don't think you can be too careful with something so tasty! (Says the guy who actually performed the scratch test himself ;))
[HD2 General] Beards:
John,

What you mention here is an extreme accident.

In this situation even with a screen protector on you are more than likely going to do some severe damage to the screen regardless.

We had a member not so long ago who dropped his HD2 from pocket height... The screen glass totally shattered..... but funnily enough the HD2 kept on working. :)
[HD2 General] p3ngwin:
exactly.

seriously, if people plan on having such accidents because they can't walk and hold a phone, then maybe instead of investing in insurance they'd benefit from walking lessons to have less accidents.

better to invest in being a safer person, instead of investing in after-care.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Jesus - have you never heard the word 'accident'?

I was only giving a possible example of something that could happen. I wasn't saying that it would happen every time you go out!

Chill out and accept that some people are just happier with a screen protector, and really don't care if you have one or not.

No offense meant guys, but both those reactions were way over the top and sounded like an attack.
[HD2 General] p3ngwin:
an accident means you weren't aware enough of yourself, or that which is around you. it's better if people are more aware of themselves and their environment.

awareness (knowledge), is what allows you to make decisions and allows you to be responsible for your self and (if you choose) even other people. if you don't have the information, you can be the naive recipient of some very undesirable consequences. things i'm sure you would choose not to suffer had you had the knowledge.

you may prefer to think that "sometimes things happen and there's nothing you can do about it". you may prefer to believe that there are some things you can't avoid, and that it's better to invest time and energy only on damage control after the event.

i do not.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Do you think I'm an idiot, or is that how you talk to everyone?

Of course, 100% fact, things happen that are out of your control. If you believe otherwise then you are simply a fool.
[HD2 General] p3ngwin:
no need to be so offensive.

you may believe that you can't evolve and change by learning to be more responsible, to the extent that you are responsible towards your entire life. i however believe in evolution and that learning is key to having less "accidents".

it is my life after all, unless you believe in divinity?

may i suggest you chill out and accept that some people have differing beliefs to you? no offense, but your reaction is way over the top and sounds like an attack.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I come to this forum to further my knowledge and help people, not get into slapping contests with little children with no knowledge.

Goodbye.
[HD2 General] Tyrion84:
I bought Leo on 20th of November, and after watching the wellknown video of scratching, I decided to don't buy any screen protector (I tried one of PSP but it's too small lol)...until now it's perfect, no scratch on it.
[HD2 General] ovidiaconescu:
I have my HD2 for 2 weeks too and no scratches on it yet. While carrying it around in the pocket, I did keep it in the leather protector cover that comes with it in the package.
[HD2 General] Beards:
John,

I NEVER attack anyone here.

Indeed I started off my reply by using your Christian name and finished off using a 'smiley'.

Here again is the total transcript. Where Do you find ANYTHING that forms a personal attack:-

My reply was an observation and account. Nothing to do with an attack.

If anything it is I whom feel there has been a personal attack. :)
[HD2 General] Beards:
I hope that remark is not targeted at me as well John.

As in the wording "little children with no knowledge"!

I have already explained my personal reply to you John.

In no manner whatsoever did I expand upon anything other than an observation.

At 56yrs of age and a senior Professor of Surgery I would hardly be titled "children" and as for knowledge, I most certainly observe before remarking.
[HD2 General] ozan07:
Since the screen is made up of sapphire crystal, I don't need screen protector.
[HD2 General] NetDwarf:
Sorry Beards your just ridiculous, especially if ur statement is correct. Are you not able to change your point of view?

You say that people who drop a phone are not able to walking or not able to handle a phone. I think it's at least a subtle (i think it's obvious, but you maybe don't see) offense but a tough one.

Bad things happen, that doesnt mean that you don't think about your part of the things happen, but also see that there are factors that you can't manipulate.

Btw I would suggest a screen protector, but I think if you always use the pouch there shouldnt happen anything severe. The problem is, that hard glass is prone to scratches from even (a grain of) sand. I can at least understand both positions.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
No, it's just bog-standard glass but very hardy nonetheless! Way better than we're used to, mobile phones have used plastic screens since the year dot.
[HD2 General] Beards:
Where in the world did THIS come from!!

I NEVER said anything of what you say here.

Tell me where it mentions ANYTHING where you are saying I have said and I again quote directly from you ~ "people who drop a phone are not able to walking or not able to handle a phone."

That is TOTALLY untrue.

What I did say and I said it in two posts only.

You can re-read what I actually said from the quotes seen below:-

You Sir have offended me.

You have called me ridiculous.

You have said and I quote ~ "you not able to change your point of view?" I have not been in a position where my views have been challenged and if they were I would then listen in a democratic fashion.

You then mention items which I supposedly said which are NOTHING but a lie!

Where did I say and again I quote from you ~ "You say that people who drop a phone are not able to walking or not able to handle a phone. I think it's at least a subtle (i think it's obvious, but you maybe don't see) offense but a tough one."

I am not one to seek confrontation. I do not lower my standards to those whom do not adhere to true facts and live to attract confrontation.

Where I am wrong I am only too happy to apologies or put right what may have been applied in error.

Read my signature...... It even says this.

Rarely do I feel heated in this manner.

Again you Sir have offended my character.
[HD2 General] Archer:
I feel I have to jump in here, as I believe that I'm responsible for this misunderstanding.

The first post by Beards (above) was not in any way offensive or even vaguely rude. The second post, however, by p3ngwin started off by quoting Beards' post, and then continued on to be a little rude.

When I responded to the post from p3ngwin, I mistakenly said that both Beards and p3ngwin had been "way over the top", when I should have only directed the post at p3ngwin.

I'm not getting into that discussion and consider it over. I've apologised to Beards for my mistake, of course, and as much as I appreciate the fact that NetDwarf is basically agreeing with my being a bit peeved at p3ngwin's response, I just want to make it clear to him that I think he's made the same mistake that I made.

I hope that puts this side-topic to bed so that we can get back to the more pleasurable activity of loving our new phones :)
[HD2 General] Beards:
Thank you John for intervening. It is most good of you to add and help in this manner.

I truly hope that member NetDwarf see's this as an error and we can once again as you rightly say "get back to the more pleasurable activity of loving our new phones".

Mike
[HD2 General] mirakle:
I do use F*lix screen protector.

No real cons: hard to clean; it seems to attract fingerprints :D

I guess it only decrease sensivity by around 5%, easy to adjust
[HD2 General] Beards:
What screen protector is this mirakle?

I can't find the one you kindly mention. :)
[HD2 General] mirakle:
I don't know if I can mention explicitly brands here. Admin, feel free to delete if needed.

Folix Ultraclear for HD2, I got it from amazon.fr, but you can get it on any amazon location.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/FX-CLEAR-screen-protector-HTC-HD-II/dp/B002Y33M4W
[HD2 General] Beards:
Many thanks mirakle.

I don't believe mentioning this particular item and where purchased from is a problem..... We mention other items with links all the time.

It's only when the said item has a direct link to the poster being affiliated with the web site or is spam related.

But I do understand you concern. :)
[HD2 General] kindadevil:
I think your facts are a little bit wrong, Hard Glass is not prone to scratches, it´s prone to break, that´s very different and if you drop your phone maybe you should care better of a broken screen than a scratched one, and in that case a screen protector will be quite useless. :)
[HD2 General] Yes!:
Since it seems that most HD2 owners have great confidence in the scratch resistance of the screen, I decided to get rid of my Brando Ultraclear protector.

Although my phone looks a lot more attractive without one :p i will give my unbranded spare a try soon.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Some sort of soft cover to prevent the screen shattering on an accidental drop is infinitely more important than a screen protector in my opinion.
[HD2 General] Toss3:
^This - always keep mine in a pouch(horrible when you need to answer the phone quickly).
[HD2 General] spaanplaat:
I have a Brando anti-glare screenprotector and I'm very happy with it. All sensors are still working as they should and screen is still very responsive... perhaps a bit too responsive.

BTW. a bit off-topic> I vote screenprotector and silicone case (by brando) are the best bodyguards for our HD2.
[HD2 General] Yes!:
I would vote for the black one. :cool:

I only wonder if the phone has to be taken out each time cleaning up the screen. Otherwise i expect it to collect a lot of dust at the edges? It looks as if it should fit a bit more tighter.
[HD2 General] spajdr:
i have original protector from HTC and from invisible shield prepaid, but not sure when it will be in stock actually, hope that soon.
[HD2 General] acyv:
I have screen protector and it's very useful for me, i recommend you.
[HD2 General] adell_:
I think the purpose of a screen protector is to protect the screen from stylus, nail, etc, it's by no means to protect when drop the phone.
[HD2 General] Beards:
I would value your opinion on how the Silicon Case can protect the screen.

Surely a proper case that fully immerses the HD2 would provide better protection. :)
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
I appreciate that quite a few of you have now got one but some of us are still struggling to get our paws on one:( Personally I want one through o2 but cant seem to get to the front of the queue for placing an order! I could jump ship but would like to stick with them so the burning question is how did you guys do it? Did those of you on o2 get it through a 3rd party eg: paid towards it with someone like carphone warehouse or bmobiles or did you wander into a store who happened to have one fall through their letterbox as you stepped in? When you've had to put up with o2 telling you contradicting "pork pies" about how they haven't shipped any and dont do it yet it makes you start to wonder:confused:
[HD2 General] Archer:
Personally, I bought mine outright from Expansys.com, SIM free. I've got a monthly contract with O2 where I get enough minutes and texts with a web bolt-on for less than £20 a month. It suits me, but then I had £500 to spare (ish ;))

I always like the idea of going SIM free, in case something comes out that I really want but can't afford it. I'll just get an 18 or 24 month contract in that situtation, and probably try and get something like a PS3 with it, so I can sell my current phone and the console, so I'll end up with a new phone and a wad of cash. That should help make me feel better about signing up to a contract :D

Since I went the SIM free route, I can't really advise on who has them and who doesn't, as far as contracts go.
[HD2 General] mskip:
Bad news on the O2 front, they finally had some in store yesterday so I could go over and find out what they will be costing on contract. To get it for free you have to sign up for a £45/month contract and that only gives you 1200mins and 500texts. You dont even get the internet package that you get with the iphone. Go for a lower tarif package and you are looking at £100 for the phone..

I will be waiting til vodafone get new stock (with an updated rom) on 11th December. Free phone for £35/month and you get 900mins UNLIMITED texts (3000 FUP), UNLIMITED landline calls (3000mins FUP), UNLIMITED internet (500MB FUP). Plus the vodafone HD's seem to be unlocked and unbranded so in my opinion thats a winning deal and well worth the wait :D
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
Each to their own mskip..you do know that the deal you're looking at gets you an extra 300mins if you do it online? all of course assuming that you can live with them making you wait for an indefinate period of time to despatch it:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] mskip:
Yeah actually the 300 extra minutes is available online or over the phone. Over the phone the order gets processed right away for next day delivery so I think im gona be doing it that way lol. Waited long enough for it I figure my patience will stretch to a few more days ;)

Could have got it from a vodafone store 2 weeks ago but they dont offer the internet package and I guess im a tight git I want the most value for my money haha.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
we're singing from the same book there buddy..I'm hoping to get one on something like the palms tarif and preferably as a business customer..unltd 02 calls,10 unltd land lines and ultd www would do me nicely at £35 ish a mnth even over 24mths as you can upgrade at the 12mth point and get whtaevers hot then:)
[HD2 General] spastik:
You guys are making me jealous :\

Back here in Portugal you pay 15 euros for a 100min plan plus 15€/month for a 500MB data plan...
[HD2 General] gpfransen:
Just try some different vodafone stores, I went to 20 different and one could tell me 2 weeks ago that they would get one that afternoon so I directly reserved it. If you can't find any on stock the next shipment will come in on 17th of december (north ireland).

Its free with a 35 pounds bussines plan it includes 1000 minutes, Unlimited texts, Unlimited Landlines, Unlimited Internet and Vodafone Passport.

Good luck!
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Not strictly true. I performed my upgrade two weeks ago yesterday when O2 first got them in stock. I did what I always do when going for an upgrade, threaten to leave. I was told a £35, 18 month tariff would mean the phone would cost £98. I asked to be put through to retentions where I asked for my PAC code. When they asked why I explained I wasn't happy with the fact O2 wanted to charge me £100 for a phone I can get from Vodafone for nothing (not strictly true but he didn't appear to realise that). After a few more persuasive arguments and another threat to leave, he said he 'managed' to get the phone down to £1.72 for me on an 18 month, £35 tariff with 600 minutes, 1000 texts and unlimited data (or 750mb to be precise).

However, I have heard they have cottoned onto people doing this and are now refusing point blank to offer the phone for less than £98. It's got to be worth a shot though.

You sure about that? I got unlimited data the same as the iPhone on a £35 a month tariff. Oh, and be careful with Vodafone's fair usage data policy, you get charged as soon as you go over 500mb, even in the first month. O2's is much better, you have to go over 750mb on a regular basis before they threaten to charge you.

EDIT: just checked and you're wrong there mate - you get a free bolton that you select yourself on all tariffs including and above the 600 minute £35 a month one. One of the selectable boltons is for unlimited web/data. Check the link out.

http://shop.o2.co.uk/tariffs/18_months
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
which as a "retention deal for a valued customer" is still pretty poor when for only £5 more at vodafone you'll get 1200minutes,ultd texts,ultd data (fup 500mb?) AND ultd landlines over 18mths,oh and that's with the phone for free...what would an extra £5 at o2 get you?not that much I'll guarantee..it seems o2 think they have their customers over a barrel at the moment due to this phones popularity which will no doubt see them losing quite a few punters in the short term! Why they didn't just put it on the same tariff as the Palm Pre is beyond me and is the deal I would/intend to snap up as soon as I can.
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Yes, but I'd rather pay a little bit extra to avoid Vodafone as I think they're an awful network.

As for the deal you mention, as I never go over my 600 minutes anyway, the extras you speak of mean little to me even if they do only cost £5 more. 1000 texts is effectively unlimited to the vast majority of people and O2's unlimited web deal is better for reasons I pointed out above and that is something I use a lot.

No, I'll stick to O2 thanks and I suggest you do the same.
[HD2 General] mskip:
Its alot easier to get a better deal if you are already with your provider and go for an upgrade. At the moment im with orange and they have absolutely nothing worth getting right now (except the iphone 3gs lol) which means I have to goto a new network :(

I think everyone you talk to will give you different information. For example in the O2 shop I was told the data bolt on was upto 500MB but in the terms and conditions on the website it says unlimited. In the vodafone store and on the phone I have been told that if you go over your 500MB FUP then you will be contacted and that you will definitely not be charged extra for going over the limit. I know that with the O2 bolt on you arent allowed to used your phone as a modem or for video/audio streaming unless you pay extra which is why they have taken youtube off their roms and is pretty stupid really.

You are right that you can get a free bolt on with O2 but with only 500 texts available instore (I think its doubled to 1000 online) its still not enough for me in business use and I would need that bolt on to upgrade to unlimited texts. That of course means I need to pay extra for the data bolt on :eek:

Also with vodafone giving unlimited landline calls it means I can do most of my business calls for free and leave my included minutes for family and friends :)

I know everyone has their prefered network but for everything they are including and the much cheaper tarif I think my only option is vodafone I just hope the stock comes in on the 11th after putting it back 2 times :rolleyes:. When I rang htc yesterday they said the delay was because they are putting extra software on for vodafone so im assuming thats the 360 software.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
I fully intend to its just a matter of getting the right deal (although I could say any deal at the moment with o2!) I've never tried voda myself but as I get through over 2000mins/mth on o2 (ultd o2's and got all my buddies using them too)straying isn't a very attractive option to me and as for texts,dont use them at all (think my avg over the last mth was 2!)
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
Consider yourself lucky..

Here in Belgium, you have to pay 20€ for a 85 minute plan (no free sms) + 20€/Month for 200Mb data (or 25€ for 500Mb)

If you want unlimited voice, unlimited sms, but no data, it'll cost you 89€ :rolleyes:

Also note that you have to buy the phone full price (paid 570€ for the HD2), there are no offers combining a phone and a plan.

I don't think there are many countries where the phone and internet plans (don't get me started on those ;)) are that expensive
[HD2 General] mskip:
2 texts a month you CRAZYYY person haha I think my average with sending out quotes and texting clients and friends is about 2500 a month :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] mskip:
OMGG thats madd I dont think I would have a mobile phone if I had to fork out that every month ontop of paying full whack for it as well :eek:

You should move to the uk lol ;)
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Indeed. I don't think the HD2 is available to new customers on O2 yet, it certainly isn't listed as being available on their website. Which is ridiculous considering I have had it for over two weeks.

My O2 branded HD2 has/had Youtube on it, although they had removed the Wi-Fi router. However, I have just used a goldcard to upgrade my firmware to 1.48 which has effectively turned it into a sim-free model and put the wi-fi router option back. As for O2 not allowing tethering, I do it anyway the same way I used to on my iPhone. Providing you don't take the p**s and download 1gb+ a month they have no way of determining the difference between you browsing on the phone and browsing on your laptop through it.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
I'm glad you mentioned that actually..my first "chats" with o2 to get this on a business account led me to inquire about the cost of 3gb data allowance..I was quite prepared to stump up £15/mth so I could ditch the dongle from 3 that I use only to be told that 3gb of data would cost me £405/mth,yes,thats right £405.00 a month! so what if all the sharers on the account get to share it,its still £405 and there's only me on the contract! and to cap it all the woman in question wanted me to pay towards the phone as well!!!
[HD2 General] gpfransen:
Got a few days ago a update from a friend that works at a vodafone store, just after I got mine they were all called from the vodafone warehouse to HTC because they wanted to fix first some (in my eyes minor) bugs like the pink camera problem...
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
just like we were told o2 did then...
[HD2 General] mskip:
Well hopefully when/if htc send out their next consignment that alot of minor bugs will be fixed.

Maybe we are the lucky ones who are still waiting lol.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
I'd like to think so but apparently they're (o2) still shipping them loaded with the 1.43 rom...
[HD2 General] sutt359:
I did well with mine from o2

I called up on the first day it was out at 8:45am.

I had been on 02 simplicity for 9 months, so i said i wanted to upgrade. The guy put me on

18 months at £35

600min

1200txt

Free net

phone was £97 so i said ok to that.

They also offerd me Broad Band for £2.50 pm for 18months which i couldnt complain about.

Then i was reading the o2 forums and saw people were getting the phone for free or stupid price like £1.70, so i phone up and complained and the nice lady put my phone down as free.