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[HD2 General] dosari666:
This is crazy! HD2 is from another category, it isn't fair comparing it with the iPhone.. Just because the iPhone is popular doesn't mean it's good..

The only feature you can compare with both though is the Capacitive screen..

The 4 features behind the iPhone's success:

1- Capacitive screen (Smooth scrolling + Multi touch).

2- Apps + and lots of really useless apps.

3- Simple and beautiful friendly GUI (which also lacks tons of features).

4- It's MAC!.. (Based on their history, they've been lucky all along)..

Other than that it's idea was to lure people with it's outside looks, not what's really inside..

WinMo + hTC [VS.] Mac + iPhone ---> IS A NEVER!!
[HD2 General] veej:
Thanks. 33B becomes 36D......:D
[HD2 General] dosari666:
People keep saying Jailbreak and Jailbreak! WinMo doesn't need to be hacked to tweak and customize the system..

WinMo is a huge playground given by MS to ultimately play around with..

iPhone with 3 devices have always wanted you to be a slave to its OS..

Just like a Mac compared to a PC..

PC= Customizable

Mac= with Parallels, PC wanna be's!!!

Mac's ultimate achievement was to run windows!!..
[HD2 General] Archer:
I've been a windows user for over 20 years now, and I have NEVER had a Mac, or even been tempted. But that statement is simply not true. A recent press release from Microsoft's own marketing department stated that they had purposely, and publicly, taken inspiration from the latest Mac OSs to see what people wanted. This was mainly visual stuff, not under-the-hood, but to say that Mac mimics Windows, when Windows was originally stolen from the inventor of the Mac OS is just plain wrong.
[HD2 General] donbronzi:
:DI sold my Iphone months ago when i first got my HD (1).

As for comparing the HD2 with the iphone it isn't a level playing field.

The HD 2 has a 1ghz processor!!! the fact that the graphics chip isn't as good as the iphones is irrelevant, the HD2 has 1ghz to draw on.

A few tweaks here and there (natural device evolution) then the HD 2 will be simply unbelievable.

As for the app situation, there are thousands maybe hundereds of thousands of apps for WM. Some might be old, some might be crap (same as the iphones apps). Just don't think MS market place is the be all and end all!!

The HD2 does lack decent games i agree with that, give it time the iphone didn't have thousands of games when it was first released.

Oh and the iphone is suffering from what popular devices suffer from, a virus. The iphones OS could well be the most unsecure OS of any phone at the moment!!!

The HD2 will/should be upgradable to WM7 hopefully making it an even better device, and the HD2 has the hardware to upgrade for some time. The Iphone is on the edge of its capabilities right now. (even when jail broken the running multiple apps isn't very snappy, maybe thats why they didn't want it as standard?)

The fact is if you are an iphone fan you're an iphone fan....... but when it comes to hardware the HD 2 has it hands down!!! Especially when contract pricing comes into play.

Stop buying the iphone and maybe they will start selling it at a price that justifies what it is. Only a crazy fool would take a contract out with the current iphone pricing!! (i was given mine). People are still buying this out of date device on a 24 month contract, thats like me buying a CRT TV!! :) (maybe not quite that bad.........)

Iphone = out of date????
[HD2 General] dosari666:
I know, but ditch the media for now, and take a look at some of the Mac users around us bragging about running windows on their systems.. :)

And regarding the stolen interface, even if there was no Apple nor Microsoft the GUI will come up anyway.. Just like the idea of touch screens.. Its not a stolen idea..
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Even when jailbroken and using SB Settings an iPhone can't properly multitask. Any Windows Mobile device walks all over it in this respect, you don't even need the power of the HD2.
[HD2 General] adell_:
What HD2 are better than iPhone 3GS:

- Screen size 4.3" vs 3.5"

- Resolution WVGA vs HVGA

- RAM 448 MB vs 256 MB

- Multitasking full-support vs little support

- FM support vs not supported

- Bluetooth support file transfer vs support only headset

- SD Card extendable vs non extendable

- Battery manual replacable vs not manual replacable
[HD2 General] dosari666:
iPhone users can't seem to manage programs.. I know someone who hated WinMo because it freezes, he sold the device not knowing that he could have had the chance to close the huge amount of running programs in the background.. Weeped after seeing my 2007 hTC Touch running SPB 2.0 GUI.. :D with the "IDEA" of simply choosing the option of terminating a program by tapping X.. :D

iPhone users don't have the slightest idea of how happy we are around WinMo's..

They wanna be slaves to the OS, they can be our guests.. ;)

Example:

iMate PDA2k: Upgrade from WinCE 2003 to 5.0 to 6.1 to 6.5! Its like owning 4 or 5 phones!!.. Still running like a champ!!
[HD2 General] freakzone:
Mac fans are particularly touchy about stolen interface/ideas/etc. In a local discussion group they claimed that Sense UI was stolen from iphone :eek:."Outrageous act of theft on behalf of HTC" if I'm not mistaken:D. Imagine that?

To OP - please, when you smoke pot, wait for the effect to wear off before starting a new thread:p. Some of us might not be on the same wave :D

I still don't understand why the iStick is being compared with PDAs. And why it is called iStick OS. Has anyone used a GUI "OS" in the last 10-15 years which doesn't have multitasking. No multitasking - no OS. I've used Win 95/98/XP/Milenium/2000/2003/Vista/7, WinMo 5/6/6.1/6.5, Ubuntu 7.04/7.10/8.04/8.10, Symbian s60 and all of them had it? Otherwise what about the LG Arena OS, or SE K800 OS :)
[HD2 General] biranouran:
I use Iphone and HD2, but my child who is 3 years old, he loves Iphone, never plays with my HD2.
[HD2 General] Archer:
In fairness, I can understand that. I prefer the HD2 over an iPhone, but the iPhone is fun and easy to use.
[HD2 General] figeloal:
Both

Both phones have their good points:)

Personally 4.3 and 800x480 is what matters to me. I have enough time to find the apps i need without needing an app store. With the snapdragon finally even WM6.5 is almost as fast as iphone OS and surfing is also the same speed.

We will see when iphone gets an update, but then HTC also will have something new.

Anyway right now its the HD2 for me, but i dont blame those that like the iphone, i know my wife loves it :)
[HD2 General] a18041967:
Ok this is my view for what its worth, if you could take the iPhone user interface, combine it with the flexibility and no lockin of the Android OS and run this on HD2 hardware you'd have a perfect device.

My biggest issue with the HD2 is that the OS was never designed for touch screens and theres no stylus. The hardware is fantastic but the touch screen just does not work and theres no stylus so your stuffed. The browser is great until you try and click links, and then its a game with the screen zooming in & out and then eventually it will register but on the incorrect link....and I won't mention the keyboard.
[HD2 General] maati:
There's tens of thousands of applications available for Windows Mobile. And there's lots of applications that don't exist on the iPhone because Apple doesn't allow them!
[HD2 General] :
Regarding PC's....

if i ever wanted a computer purely because it matched my furniture, i'd consider buying a MAC.

otherwise i'd buy a PC and install whatever *nix/Windows variant i wanted.

S ;)
[HD2 General] ganon4:
sounds like an iphone fan

When appstore goes out for the first time we haven't see many apps at the begining too... juste like wmarketplace at the moment... so we can't compare :\

I don't want to explain.. I agree with somethings you said but not all.
[HD2 General] sparky steve:
in a UK TV program they compaired the HTC HD1 with the iphone

and the HD won without a problem!!!

so the HD2 would kill it !!!!!!!
[HD2 General] donbronzi:
I saw this, the only thing that let it down was the lack of a dedicated app store!
[HD2 General] Gustopher:
Was it the gadget show? They did a fanboi head-to-head with the HD about a year ago across a range of spurious categories.

Despite the HD trouncing it in pretty much every category - camera, usability(!), speed, etc, the iPhone still 'won' the challenge.

Mind you, if they did a comparison of the best tractors or kettles they'd still probably find a way for the iPhone to win...
[HD2 General] the-uki:
And where are these applications - where do you find them - where can you buy them? The Windows app store still only has 60 of them so far - and yes, even one "fart" application is listed, tribute to the iphone.

Seriously WM apps appear outdated compared to everything new that is coming out on the iPhone.

As a developer, will you bet your hard development efforts on the iPhone or WM platform?
[HD2 General] rd2000:
lol the whole Marketplace vs App Store discussion is the most idiotic discussion ever.

Why ?

Maybe because App Store got a year on it's back. Market Place got a few months!

Try again in a year and let's compare.

Here is an open question to everyone , noone in particular is the target :

Who looks more like a petty little envious child:

Those people who defend their phone on a forum specific to THAT phone ,

or those who have nothing better to do than enter a forum for some "other" phone , telling everyone how much it suck. Not because they have any experience with the phone they are bashing. No just because they have nothing else to do....

You don't like the HD2 ? Fine. Do those of us who like it, care ? Guess two times.

Stop wasting space. There are plenty of Iphone fora out there, for you to glorify your device on.
[HD2 General] TrYde:
This is not all. AppStore is the ONLY way to publish apps on iphone. Marketplace is just another place for devs. Therefore, the appstore will get the most apps, while many devs won't bother posting on marketplace.

I submitted my app on the french marketplace and it got over 500 D/L a day since the beginning, considering the lower marketshare of Marketplace-enabled phones in france and the lack of advertising.

Marketplace could completly bust Appstore if MS made it easier for casual developers to submit applications.

About iPhone vs HD2, in my office there are several long-time iphone users who are impressed by my HD2 (while I do not show off, they notice the "big screen on the desk" and get curious), some even recognizing that the iphone is now behind the HD2 and that Apple should stop slacking to catch up.

They usually keep their iphone habits while using the HD2, e.g. never closing apps, so after a few mins I showed them that they've been running Word, Igo8, camera, Groovefish, album and a few games at the same time without any slowdown.

My 2 pro-HTC cents :D
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
I can sympathise with the-uki (op) who has some issues that he feels prevents him from being able to use his HD2 but then again I can also understand how vitriolic some guys are being in defense of what they see as their best ever phone..all this toing and froing to defend or attack a certain phone,whether it be the HD2 or the iPhone, has been quite educational but surely there comes a point where its time to draw a line in the sand and say enough is enough before the flaming gets out of hand? Oh,and if it is here's my two penneth on the apps front. If I want software for my PC I dont go looking at any microsoft site, I'll hunt online and see who else makes it (or something similar) and in lots of cases they also do a version of it for other platforms which, funnily enough, quite often include versions for winmo,and further more, you 'll never find those apps on marketplace but that doesn't mean they dont exist...
[HD2 General] omneity:
Yes I too look acrtoss various web sites for WinMo software, there are some excellent freeware sites and most of the commercial sites and applications have trial downloads and will also provided feedback facility from other users so you can make an informed decision on software before paying out cash. That said, I did find an excellent Outlook Tasks application (Task 1001) that is only available via the Marketplace, so it's worth keeping an eye on this outlet for genuinely new stuff.

I can see the advantage of the Marketplace from a developers perspective as it can help reduce the risk of software piracy and can provide a single point for receiving updates for all applications downloaded from there. The Marketplace is a useful resource that will develop with time, but I wouldn't like it to become the only source for WinMo apps. as a bit of healthy competition can only be good for the consumer.
[HD2 General] smeddy:
Again, as others say, apples and oranges, but my two cents...

I've loved my HD, and I'm weeks away from my next phone, which is likely to be a HD2. Today I decided to reconsider an iPhone, hence this thread being a useful read, and as fun a debate as ever :D

I use my HD for music, videos, and eBooks on a 60min commute each day (on top of emails, texting, diary, GPS when driving/walking round London, etc etc) and the one thing I sorely miss? Games.

I know the HDs are smartphones, but it was seeing the release of Red Alert on the iPhone, and January's release of a GTA game, that made me think, perhaps I want an iPhone.

The recent Experiment13 is a great WinMob game, but it's the only one that has wowed me graphically, and been fun and engrossing. Nothing else comes close. Some of the iPhone games look very good.

But I do still :heart: my HD :)
[HD2 General] omneity:
Out of interest, what ebook reader do you use on your HD? I'm still looking for a decent one for my HD2.
[HD2 General] band27:
It's been anticipated the WM7 is to revolutionize Microsoft back to a competitive market. They have delayed it now for over a year and half to make sure they are getting it right.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
WM7 to WM6 is supposed to be more what WinNT was to Win9x, as a matter of fact, it's not your usual Vista -> 7 upgrade. It will be based on CE6 which, among other things, brings a completely new memory model (so long 32 process/32MB per process limit) to allow to make really powerful multitasking machines. It also seems to be an attempt to alleviate the platform fragmentation problem (i.e. tons of devices with completely different hardware) by introducing minimum hardware requirements for compatibility. And of course it's supposed to bring an interface that will replace the outdated WM concept, so that third-party applications will be finger friendly without using a lot of complex UI coding, just by using standard APIs. That's also not quite the same level of UI changes as you see in XP -> Vista, those are mostly bells and whistles, here it's a necessity. And finally, since hardware requirements include powerful graphics acceleration it is reasonable to expect hardware accelerated GUI, which should rid Windows phones of stuttering, add iPhone-esque fluidity and effects, which is crucial to mass market devices and appeal to a more general public (which, in its turn, should turn developers' heads to the platform, and therefore bring companies like EA on the bandwagon).

In these Windows-bashing times it's easy to forget the huge potential Windows has as a mobile platform if MS does things right (think WinAPI, .Net, C++, ease of porting code, compatibility with desktop Windows, practically unlimited financial resources, etc.).
[HD2 General] gervasius:
I am sorry, just reading this post...

this is not "battle of titans"

Iphone is not "titan".. sorry.. but you have to find

some other device who could be comparable with HD2.. not

kid's toy like iphone...

you can't compare iphone and hd2

best regards
[HD2 General] razorblader:
Do people that post crap like 'phone A is the second coming of Christ' and 'phone B is utter crap, yada yada, blurb...' realize they come off as retarted fanboys and simpletons? Just wondering.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Pretty much, but I'd best check with my new HD2. It IS God, after all! lol
[HD2 General] KuroiOni:
Knock it off already, this discussion will be endless. When you're gonna write some comparisons, you better do it right. I mean come on, don't do comparison by your personal view. ("I think" should be removed)

HTC Quietly brilliant~
[HD2 General] momomorphz:
As a user of the first HD, I have to say that I was really enticed by the possibility of customizing the phone to a T, ie with WinMo.

However, despite the extraordinary, tireless effort (and I say this with great respect) of many ROM Chefs, it takes a decent amount of effort to even get basic stuff running the way I like it.

For example, the f*cked up Manila messaging system of the Sense UI which seems to render text messages one character at a time. Fix? Disable it, and go back to WinMo 6.1 style. Other stuff would include registry entries for even simple stuff like screen sensitivity, menu's flickering, etc.

I'd like to think I'm not an idiot when it comes to software, but really, upgrading to and fixing up newer versions of WinMo to my personal taste and most importantly, functionality without any spurious lag issues is taking too much of my time.

To those who are reading this thread and are considering getting a HD2 and think you can do 1 000 000 things with it, you better LOVE tinkering with the more intricate stuff like registry entries and/or programming stuff yourself, or you're gonna run out of steam like me.

I'd still never consider the iPhone though. Everyone and their grandmother's cat has one where I live. However, the HD1 will be my last WinMo phone till (if?) WinMo 7

matures

to a decent enough platform.
[HD2 General] precsmo:
this is rather personal. For me, the iPhone 3Gs is totally out of the way! Iphone 4G better really do something well!
[HD2 General] the-uki:
For all those that said there are a lot more apps for WM than there is for iPhone (which nobody proved so far) - I bet most will no longer work with WM7 - many of my old .cabs don't work on the HD2 anymore!
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I haven't encountered a single cab that wouldn't work on my HD2. If your cabs are tweaks then maybe those tweaks don't work, but most of them are related to Manila and have nothing to do with WM per se. If the cabs install applications then some hardware-specific ones may not work. Also, it's HTC we're talking about - they love to implement things in quirky ways. This is all the downside of the variety of phones we have with WM - it's a blessing and a curse, all in one. OEMs and software developers are free to do anything they want, with no censorship or certification. The cases when an application breaks because of the OS upgrade are rare in the world of Windows - mobile or not. Backwards compatibility is one thing where Microsoft rules the world, it's been one of the cornerstones of their success through the years, and I seriously doubt it's going to change dramatically with CE6/WM7. Remember transition from 2003 to WM5? It was incredibly smooth, if you think about it. Sure there was some whining and crying and frustration, but nobody remembers it now. Backwards compatibility has been a drag on their products' performance and stability as well - everything has its downsides. But hey, a lot of Win32 code works on WinCE with little or no modification at all! That's worth something. And if anything, CE6 is removing a lot of current limitations because the hardware it's supposed to run on is getting more powerful - so we're going to see more convergence and more compatibity with time... If some programs with microscopic stylus-oriented custom controls will die in the course of events - I say the sooner the better.
[HD2 General] saiweb:
A very good response.

Thanks

--Ram--
[HD2 General] KuroiOni:
Might wanna list those apps out?
[HD2 General] denispage:
This is what I hate in Apple lovers....

It's a religion :)

btw: I'm a Iphone (3G) and HTC HD2 user.
[HD2 General] KuroiOni:
I'ld say Apple freaks, they've been heavily brainwashed i assume. I've seen these kind of people!
[HD2 General] the-uki:
For example, GPSDash2 does not work
[HD2 General] the-uki:
For iPHone - just go to their app store.

For WM, I don't know where you go, the windows app store still has only 60 apps as of today. Most were written for WM5 or 6, I doubt many will work on 7 given how significant the changes are as said in this thread
[HD2 General] kinglifer:
I been using windows from back in the compaq days.

Windows Mobile sucks. If you use it hard like a power user you will be disappointed time after time after time again.

I had an apple newton back in the days... and I also had palms when there where really fancy calculators... I know what I speak of...

on HTC... the WM experience is better... but who are we kidding?

Everyone knows Apple is better... in the aspect the dam thing will at least answer calls if you have a lot of programs installed.

Ah... why bother...

Nevermind.
[HD2 General] KuroiOni:
I was asking the apps list that are not compatible with HD2 :D

Well, that is true that there are ton of apps in App Store, like 100k+? But do you really need those? I'm pretty sure that 50k of those apps are junks (I used to have an iPhone 3G, so i know) :D

I mean what do you really expect from a phone? Will the battery last long enough though? :rolleyes:

I hope WinMo6.5 - WinMo7 will be alot like WinVista - Win7 ;)
[HD2 General] the-uki:
I have both phones and can tell you that there are a lot more useful apps on the iPhone than there are for WM, even if 50k of them are worthless, there are a lot more VERY useful apps, ranging from medical to finance, references, translation, reality, science, astronomy, .... you name it. The only drawback I can see is that the GPS apps for car navigation are restricted versions of what you get on WM, so for instance you can't add your own POI and have POI warning on them.

Also, browsing the internet - lets face it, a lot more usable on the iphone than on the HD2, despite the smaller screen, and even if Flash does not work (which by the way does not work properly on HD2 either).

Show me just one email client for the WM that is as good as the one on the iPHone. Ok ok, WM7 is supposed to change that. Lets see if all my existing apps will also work properly on WM7........
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I beg to differ. Flash working most of the time is miles better than no Flash whatsoever. In addition to that, Opera on HD2 is faster than even the 3GS's Safari, let alone older iPhone models. HD2's higher resolution allows for much quicker navigation - even very small text is readable, so you can quickly go to the sections you need, without additional zooming. Opera allows me to browse the internet using only one hand, which is not often possible on the iPhone. And finally, fitting text to screen in Opera is just freaking brilliant, you don't have to deal with microscopic text size or horizontal scrolling.

I will admit that Safari looks somewhat more solid and fluid (as most things on the iPhone), but it doesn't make it "a lot more usable".
[HD2 General] maati:
About the apps: I do not agree that there's more useful apps for the iPhone. I had an iPhone 3G before and I had NO PROBLEMS AT ALL to find an equivalent for every single app I had on my iPhone.

Definitely not. Browsing is much better on the HD2.

Outlook, which is built into WM, is MUCH better than Mail on the iPhone. Much better....
[HD2 General] TrYde:
Did you pull that out of your fanboy hat ?
[HD2 General] addyb:
Erm yes they do. Ive had extra mins and txts put onto my iphone tariff with no extra cost.
[HD2 General] KuroiOni:
Well why do we even bother this discussion though?

I always use the default email client, even if i found a better one, would you even be interested? You're so addicted to iPhone already.

Btw, which phone do you own again?