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[General Questions and Answers] Harris4LarouchePAC:
Phone: HTC 6800

Provider:US Cellular

Windows Mobile 6.0

How do I play other video formats? Also i cannot go to youtube and view those videos either, or videos in general such as those from lorouchepac.com in the LPACTV sections.

Doesnt seem to want to play MP4s or anything.
[General Questions and Answers] vfo22:
Playing video on a 6800 mogul.

Harris,

Go on, search, download and install "TCPMP" media player. It will play lots of media types. There is an associations list so you can set what types of media you want it to work for. It will work before Windows Media player if you have one set for this. If you want WMP to work instead, uncheck the box for the particular file type. Also, you can download an application from Youtube to play the videos from the phone. Mine works quite well. hope this helps.

Bill :D:D
[G1 Android Development] ebg10:
Android 2.0 supports multi touch; however, in the android roms for the mytouch and g1, multi touch is not supported. Can we get real multi touch zooming in the browser and other apps in android 2.0?
[G1 Android Development] philalerts:
Multi Touch In Android 2.0

I will be glad if it have good multi touch soft-keyboard, nothing else no matter for me. :) by the way, sorry for reply
[G1 Android Development] davr:
My G1 supports multitouch, but only thing that uses it is the browser. I don't see what's so amazing about it, I prefer to use the zoom buttons most of the time anyway.
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
a multi-touch keyboard? forgive my ignorance but what would be the point in that?
[G1 Android Development] ebg10:
It increases typing speed. But multi touch is more important for the browser. That is why we should focus on getting multi touch to work in the browser in android 2.0.
[G1 Android Development] beidl:
the only problem is that the currently used kernels (mostly cyan's 1.6 kernel) aren't suitable for multitouch in 2.0 as some modules or other code seems to be missing. the current aosp kernel supports multitouch in 2.0 though
[G1 Android Development] smackdown85146:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't HTC_IME.apk a multitouch keyboard? It might just be me, but I can type ten times better on it.
[G1 Android Development] ChaosEngine:
It isn't a matter of multitouch being in the rom. I believe multitouch in 2.0 is enabled. The issue is support in the apps themselves. Just because the multitouch is available doesnt mean that all the applications will magically have support.

You would have to code multitouch gesture support into every individual app. Which would be a ton of work and most likely illegal. There are a few multitouch supported apps out there. If you want multitouch in your browser it should just be a matter of porting Loccys better browser to the rom.
[G1 Android Development] nyctrini3:
Do you mean for instance on kingklick beta feta

or hero eclair 3.1 the browser dont support multi touch? And you want to know why?? If so the drivers aren't available yet but rumor is they should be available bfore christmas 09!
[G1 Android Development] Redeye:
From my tests, multi touch is not enabled in any of the 2.1 hero roms or the aosp 2.0 roms.

One way to test it is by using PicSay. If you use PicSay using the Droid phone it supports multi touch when resizing images. If you install that same app on a G1 running any of the 2.1 hero roms or the aosp 2.0 roms ... it doesn't work.

It seems that there is something missing.

Yes the HTC_IME.apk is multi touch and HELL yes it's sooooooo much faster and more accurate then the stock IME.

It's all about speed. If you hit letters quickly on the stock IME it will drop letters if you type to quickly. With multi touch it will register each letter and not miss a beat.
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
As someone said it requires a kernel that supports multitouch, but it needs the other half Iof the apps supporting it also- as someone said
[G1 Android Development] beidl:
I think one of the first aosp roms supported it, i'm pretty sure since i was able to draw two lines at the same time in the dev tools pointer test. It's just not possible on newer roms because they use the cm kernel and it uses a different way of multitouch.
[G1 Android Development] ebg10:
Is it possible to create a rom with the aosp kernel that will support multi touch?
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
It would be possible yes, but seeing as no one is using it, it is probably very unstable
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
HTC_IME is NOT multitouch. The simple way to check is to press when letter, and while holding that down, press another letter. If the letters dont both register then there is no multitouch there, meaning your finger must be completely off the screen before pressing another letter. That is why multitouch is faster.
[G1 Android Development] jcarrz1:
+1

but on cupcake hero roms, it is multitouch. when you install it on a non-hero it doesn't work.

and i have been able to get picsay on 2.0 before with multitouch... cant remember which rom tho.
[G1 Android Development] bbbblack:
why are people saying they want to see multitouch in the browser "AT LEAST" ?

its been there almost like 9 months now.. smfh
[G1 Android Development] jcarrz1:
ECLAIR man, eclair.

guys, try dolphin browser... supposed to have multitouch...
[G1 Android Development] mttmllns:
Just an FYI, there is a similar discussion going on over here.
[G1 Android Development] sw20matt:
So why dose multi touch work on the better browser but not dolphin browser?

Also a little confused, is it the kernel or the drivers that is stopping it from working?
[G1 Android Development] priide:
Ive been waiting forever to get multi touch keyboard. I don't know how anyone can use a mytouch and enjoy typing on it.
[G1 Android Development] bmj1086:
I don't think my phone is ever in landscape mode. I downloaded the onoff AutoRotate widget, used it once to turn it off and removed the widget once I realized I never use anything but portrait. I type with one hand in Portrait mode and I type pretty fast.
[G1 Android Development] pdudek:
I just want games that are using multitouch like taptap
[G1 Android Development] bmj1086:
Multi Touch works fine for me in Dolphin. Not sure what you're doing... I think its in the settings somewhere.
[G1 Android Development] ebg10:
What rom are you on?
[G1 Android Development] Zeltaz:
i'm pretty sure that there isnt any multitouch keyboard, and even if there were I dont think that a G1 could hack it since it hasnt got "true" multitouch like the iPhone (btw even the iPhone doesnt have multitouch keyboard.

please do correct me if i am wrong :)
[G1 Android Development] mttmllns:
The iPhone DOES have a multitouch keyboard. Engadget Mobile has a video demonstration of how it works vs. the Droid.

http://mobile.engadget.com/2009/11/05/iphone-vs-droid-multitouch-keyboard-showdown-video/
[G1 Android Development] sw20matt:
I was running the newist eugine rom. just switched to manup a sec ago. havnt tryed anything yet
[G1 Android Development] Zeltaz:
thank you for proving me wrong, i now know something that i didnt before :) the G1 couldnt have that tho since it doesnt have multi touch
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
The g1 has the multitouch hardware, it's the software that it is lacking in
[G1 Android Development] Zeltaz:
its not true multi touch, it can sense the pressire and "size" of pressure, if ya get me. muck like a laptop touchpad does, it knows if its a bit or small finger ish.. not sure how to explain it. it cannot detect how many fingers are being used
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
Really? I'm running a hero rom and pinch zoom works perfectly
[G1 Android Development] Zeltaz:
yeah so do i, but when you pinch it sences that the pressure area in use gets larger/smaller
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
I see, well at least we can get untrue multitouch. It's better than not having it at all
[G1 Android Development] Zeltaz:
yeah of course :) though the only apps that really have use for this is probably browser and maps
[G1 Android Development] JAguirre1231:
I'm not so sure, picsay does this pretty well too. I also like using it in albums, and typing is sped up with it
[G1 Android Development] Zeltaz:
oh yerr soz i forgot about those. well anything that ya can zoom in :P happy? :D

im interested actually, what apart from zoomin can you use the G1's "multi touch" ?
[G1 Android Development] carnegie0107:
Okay, let's sum up: yes, the G1 supports multi touch. And yes, it works by sensing the first touch, then the size of the area with pressure on it. There's an app somewhere in these forums, "Multitouch visualizer" that will let you see the limitations of the hardware. Yes, if you enabled MT in the kernel in a 2.0 rom, all (well, some) of the apps WOULD magically have it. They are already coded for it. 2.0 is designed for MT, but we don't yet have a kernel for the Dream that supports it in 2.0. We're getting there, though. Be patient. ;) (NOTE: by "we" I mean XDA. I have personally done none of the work getting this working--I leave that to devs WAY smarter than me.)

And yes, HTC_IME supports multitouch. when you press one key, and your other thumb presses another before the first one lifts, it will type both letters. Android Keyboard will only type the second letter, skipping the first one. So HTC's keyboard could type way faster, if only it didn't lag so horribly.
[G1 Android Development] jubeh:
A whole thread about nothing.

Seriously guys it's just the kernel and enabling it on whichever apps you want it. Toss an aosp 2.0 kernel (i think it's 2.6.29 right now) and toss it in a hero 2.0 rom which does have all apps multitouch enabled and it'll work.

It's just the kernel.
[G1 Android Development] jcarrz1:
above is 100% correct.
[G1 Android Development] jcarrz1:
this is a very important discovery: in eclair rims, the default calculator is multitouch-enabled while the android onscreen keyboaed isnt...
[G1 Android Development] lukesky:
I just tried the HTC IME and doesn't seem to me that it's supporting 'true' multi touch. When you press 2 keys at the same time, the pop up only displays 1 of them at a time. If you release the first key while still pressing the 2nd key, then the 2nd key pop up will appear.

I would have thought true multi touch would mean when you press 2 keys at exactly the same time, both pop ups will appear at the same time and if you release the 2 keys, the keyboard will type both letters, which is not happening now for the HTC IME.
[G1 Android Development] Ace42:
Not to offend anyone but...:

-when most of you were born they didnt have single touch

-Why do you need multi-touch everything?

-flashy things like that wear off

-be patient

-some of you were born back when pc had 32mb ram still

-so the fact that there are touch phones should amaze you(excluding people from 1990-2009)

-In Tech has advanced alot from 1900-200X, in tech wasnt so good from 1600-1800
[G1 Android Development] aron7awol:
Is this only true on a Cupcake Hero? I can say it definitely isn't true on Cyanogenmod. If someone could record a video showing this working I'd like to see it.
[G1 Android Development] aron7awol:
Any Eclair ROM? Can you record a video of this?
[G1 Android Development] carnegie0107:
Yup. Works on CyanogenMod. (ONLY on HTC_IME, NOT on the default Android Keyboard). Just install the IME, go to settings and turn on touch input, and then long press a text area and switch to it. Then, type the letters "OV" by pressing down on O, then pressing down on V, then releasing O, then releasing V. Both letters will be typed, even though you have your thumbs on both letters at once. This is how MT typing works: you don't have to lift one thumb before you can push down to type the next letter. I can guarantee that it works on CyanogenMod on the Dream. I'm doing it right now. ;)

No, it doesn't show two popups. This wouldn't really make much sense. The popup is always whatever letter will be typed next, when you lift your thumb. After you release the first thumb, with the popup under it, that letter will be typed, and the popup will appear under your second thumb, and now, if you release it as well, it will be typed as well. So you can press two keys with two thumbs, and both will be typed, but only the key that will be typed next will have the popup. Makes sense?
[G1 Android Development] carnegie0107:
Probably not. Eclair ROMs for the Dream don't yet have multitouch in the kernel. So... maybe on the Droid, it would work, but definitely not on any 2.0 port to Dream.
[G1 Android Development] aron7awol:
I tried this exactly on the latest CyanogenMod on MyTouch and I guess it does work in some instances but it's not perfect. Oh well.
[G1 Android Development] carnegie0107:
Exactly. The Dream hardware is limited. When the two touch points get too close together on any axis, the hardware can't really tell them apart. Seriously, try this Multitouch Visualizer app to see how it works. Well, the visualizer app worked on Android 1.1... I haven't used it since then, so no promises.... But yeah, MT typing is sorta limited by hardware. It's still nice to have, though.

EDIT: Works great on 1.6. Here ya go, for the lazy:
[G1 Android Development] lukesky:
Doesn't the iphone keyboard show 2 pop ups if you press 2 keys at the same time?

What you said about the pop up showing what will be typed is correct. But regarding your 2nd last sentence, what I found out from my tests is that if you press 2 keys exactly at the same time, no pop up will appear and if you release those 2 keys exactly at the same time, no letter will be typed either. If your timing is not spot on, then 1 of the 2 keys you pressed will be typed, depending on which one you pressed first/released last, or something like that.
[G1 Android Development] mttmllns:
Wow, now that I really play with it, it does work (HTC_IME with CyanogenMod on MyTouch 3G). Just doesn't work with the spacebar...which is a shame.

AND ONLY ON THE LANDSCAPE ABC KEYBOARD. The portrait keyboard gives me the first key and then a key half way between. 123/punctuation keyboard doesn't work either.

But ya...did a few tests in LANDSCAPE ABC:

Starting from "Q then P" and moving to "O then P", multitouch registers until about UP. Sometimes it'll register both U and P...sometimes only P. I can only register both I and P very rarely (but still sometimes). OP doesn't work. This is in line with the "fake" multitouch limitations already discussed.

This seems decent, though, because my thumbs are touching each other with IP and unnaturally close with UP.

Similar results vertically across rows also seem to confirm the hardware limitation proposed:

UM registers nicely, IM not so much. Punctuation on the ABC screen (period and comma) work well with the top row and even the second row sometimes. And actually if I really put my fingers in a weird position I can do the same with Nperiod (two keys right next to each other)...

Now I'm just confused...I can do Nperiod but not JN? Huh!?

Well let's see, with ALL these keypresses (e.g. Q and P):

I press Q, get a popup for Q.

Q is typed in the text field.

I press P, get a popup for a key in between (e.g. T or Y).

Release Q, get a popup for P.

Release P, P is typed in the text field.

Does this really need multitouch to be able to register both keys? The popups are shown with OP, too, both letters just AREN'T typed. Same behavior with Nperiod, but both letters ARE typed.

I don't know if these are hardware limitations or just weird programming.

Now I'm questioning what we even mean by a multitouch keyboard in this sense if all we're doing is pressing the first key (single touch event), pressing the second (ya multitouch...but just ignore this), then releasing the first (now single touch event again) and releasing the second. We can see from the popups in HTC_IME that both keys are eventually registered. We're not talking about simultaneous keypresses here...that HTC_IME is NOT doing. We're talking about the software's ability to ignore the weird event between two overlapping keypresses.

Hmmm.......thoughts?
[G1 Android Development] lukesky:
- yes that's true

- I don't need to "multi touch

everything

", my coffee in the morning doesn't need multi touch, the battery in my phone doesn't need multi touch :D

- i'm sure driving a car that could do 120 miles an hour 20 to 30 years ago was considered 'flashy', and now almost every car can do that speed without breaking a sweat.

- i'm patiently waiting for Android 2.1..:o

- I remember when bill gates supposedly said that 640kb of ram was more than anyone could use in a pc, though he did try to deny it.

- I was amazed, like 5 years ago, but now when touch screen phones are a dime a dozen, I think the amazement should stop else we'll just stand there gawking and not improving things..

- What's 'in tech' anyway?
[G1 Android Development] flarbear:
Just to be sure, and hopefully not to throw too much of a wrench into the discussion...

I've seen comments that the Multitouch Visualizer app shows that multiple touches are reported as one large touch on a G1. That is to be expected because it is only calling the original 1.0 version of the APIs that could only express a single touch.

In Android 2.0 they enhanced the MotionEvent API to include the ability to query how many presses are active and to query separate locations, pressures, and sizes for each. Until the MV app is upgraded to call these new functions it cannot hope to detect or visualize multiple touches.

Unfortunately I know just enough to be able to scan the sources and notice that they are not using the new APIs - I don't know enough to rewrite the MV app to actually use the new APIs and show the multiple touches. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
[G1 Android Development] aron7awol:
I can confirm that it does work to some extent in portrait mode as well.

As far as ignoring the "weird event" between overlapping keypresses, what throws a wrench into the mix is the fact that the keypress isn't normally registered until the finger is lifted.

Consider when typing two "multitouch" letters, there are the following touch events registered:

1. A small touch on letter1

2. A large touch the size of the distance between letter1 and letter2, centered on the midpoint between the letters (although the hardware limitations make it not perfectly centered or sized always)

3. A small touch on letter2

4. All touches lifted.

The first touch normally wouldn't be registered as a letter until it was lifted. Instead, it needs to register when the touch size grows drastically. The second letter is registered when lifted as it normally would be. I think this is what HTC_IME already does as well as it can, limited by the hardware.
[G1 Android Development] Chahk:
- I don't understand your point. When some of us were born they didn't have the Internet either.

- Not everything, just when it's the difference between software functioning correctly and not.

- Again, this isn't a "flashy thing". Virtual keyboards without true multi-touch don't provide for precise fast typing. Registering a key in the middle of 2 presses is not acceptable.

- I can be patient since I own a handset with a physical keyboard, but those with MT3Gs and Erises are getting antsy, I imagine.

I don't understand your last 2 points. Touch screens with MT ability have been around for a while now.
[G1 Android Development] mttmllns:
Interesting new tweet by cyanogen:
[G1 Android Development] philalerts:
It's amazing, hope then it will be a real multi-touch keyboard. :p
[HD2 Accessories] lude219:
let's face it, the HD2 extended battery is a little bit quasimodo-esqued and the BB is a little bit cumbersome when you're traveling light. How hard would it be to extract another 200mAh or so for a total of 1500mAh while maintaining the same standard size? Anyone here with knowledge as to what's in store in the horizon for an item like this?
[HD2 Accessories] chrisnz1947:
HD2 is a bit to new for these to exist, best company will be Mugen batteries

http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com/

I had a standard size 1800mah for my pro 2 which worked very well, cost was around £20, so not the cheapest but was good quality
[HD2 Accessories] wacky.banana:
Lude,

Have you been to Mugen (sic?) to check if they are working on this/give them the idea, perhaps?

WB
[HD2 Accessories] kivine:
I dun mean to put you down. but wouldn't you be pissed if someone mentioned to you " how hard would it be to get 15 more marks to acheive an A"?
[HD2 Accessories] lude219:
I went to the mugen link that chris posted but see nothing for the HD2 yet. Hopefully they'll jump on this soon.

Are you insinuating that it's difficult to get another 15pts for an A? If i were the student I would say to the teacher, "do your job at teaching better and I'll get that A.";)

It's not a matter of unachievable because HTC did that with the original diamond. The stock diamond battery is only 900mAh and soon after its release, HTC came out with the extended one at 1100mAh(?) or so...in standard size.
[HD2 Accessories] str0g:
have you check their batteries?

New rear cover, giant size battery =/= slim phone

== brick

Would you like to have a brick instead of phone?
[HD2 Accessories] lude219:
I'm assuming that you misread my original post
[HD2 Accessories] ionrage:
I am also waiting for one. Had one from MOMAX when I was using the HD. The extra 10% definitely makes a difference. A;so waiting for a battery charger with USB port (so as to be able to charge the phone as well).
[HD2 Accessories] lude219:
yea I hope mugen or momax will jump on this opportunity. Im sure most of us will need all the extra power we can take without carrying extra equipment or sacrificing the slim look of the phone.
[HD2 Accessories] Starfury:
One thing I have noticed is the stock battery is a Lithium Ion 1230mAh battery and the aftermarket ones that I have been seeing are Lithium Polymer 1100mAh battery's. I have done quite a bit of research on battery chemistries and it seems odd that the aftermarket would be releasing a different battery to the manufacturer.

Edit: With regard to suppliers another good one is www.batterymill.co.uk
[HD2 Accessories] ionrage:
The one at MOMAX is Li-Ion but only 1100mAh. I can't for the life of me understand why they would release a battery that is lower in capacity than the original.
[HD2 Accessories] AbdullahT:
I hope that we see such a battery in the market soon

HTC HD2 with 1500 mah (standard size) will be perfect combination
[HD2 Accessories] kaemon:
Just bought a 1300 mAh on Ebay. Not much higher capacity than the original battery, but still higher...

http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250551074027
[HD2 Accessories] moneysaver05:
how many more hours will the 1300 battery last?
[HD2 Accessories] lude219:
Let us know when you receive it =)
[HD2 Accessories] terra65:
Another 1300 battery...but a bit cheaper. http://www.netimes.com/shop/replacement-battery-for-htc-hd2-t8585-htc-leo-p-2449.html?cPath=80_731
[HD2 Accessories] Cret:
I bought a "1700mah" one for my Touch HD and it worked exactly the same as the standard one so I'm a bit skeptical about performance claims of same size upgrade batteries even though the HD2 could really do with a boost!
[HD2 Accessories] lude219:
Yea, those are a dime a dozen. Always make sure that it's from a trusted manufacturer and not some ebay seller...it also doesnt hurt to do a battery test to make sure the mAh is as advertised.
[HD2 Accessories] Jackuuuuu:
Totally agree... this happens to every gadget i got from Nokia to NDSL etc :(

Must get from a trusted manufacturer. The extra dollar does make a big difference!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] socalledsin:
My sms messages dont make a sound when on a call, anyone found a way to change this?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] fezypoo:
I haven't tried it yet.

But I know Eugene 2.0 rom can make it vibrate when your on the phone.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] mt3g:
fezypoo what the heck are you doing here...

OP just go to the messaging application and select menu then settings then scroll own to see the notification options, or you can download many apps in the market that allow you to make your notifications a little more custom like sms popup, many others....