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[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tnayrbj:
What I think

I think he wants a image file that will reload the ROM of his choice with all it's settings, like a cooked ROM with his settings if he had cooked a personal ROM.

Then he could just flash TOPAZIMG file after he tried all the other ROMS.

Not sure but that's how I took his question, so either he has to dump his ROM and cook it, or someone has to do that for him.

Just a thought

Jon
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bruce Inman:
I see, thanks Jon.

I'm also not sure if the settings have to be tweaked in the kitchen or if they can be "dumped" from device.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] :
Hi,

yes, dumping and doing a own cooked ROM out of this dump would also be OK for at least having a roll-back scenario. I was wondering (therefore this thread) if there is a tool doing this. ( As I have no idea how to cook a ROM )

All the answers here helped me, i guess I'll try Sprite backup as it seems to do on one hand the roll-back stuff (as i would apply the backup on same ROM and device if I'd like to go back)

Additionally it sounds like it is capable of transferring all settings to a new ROM, what is even more than I expected.

Unfortunately I'm limited in time at the moment, but I definetly will give it a try ;-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
Hi all,

I am a techy at a large secondary school in the UK. In my wisdom I organised the rollout of 7 XDA Serra devices (O2 branded Raphael) to members of senior staff early this year. Now.... I have had no end of moaning about the appalling ROM O2 supplied, I have changed the radio version and disabled 3G to get 3 days+ from battery, where it was previously 1 day max, added slide-to-unlock and slide to answer.

However the handsets are still frankly rubbish. Crashing and freezing, especially when you try to use them as - god forbid - a phone.

I have two choices -

either find a really good stable and useable ROM (which I hope you can help with!) -Getting them all in for upgrade is the highest level of tedium, so if this is going to happen its going to be a one-shot thing. Gotta get it right first time. These people are middle-aged school workers so dont care about the bling, its gotta be easy to use.

or (the hard way) say they are "unfit for purpose" and try and send them back to O2 for something else.As much as I love fighting the big boys, I really cant be bothered. If they are going to be swapped theres only one handset the senior team would accept. iPhone. Yuk. (IMHO).

So - do you think I'm onto a loser to begin with? is this handset just a dog? It was so hyped at launch I didnt think I could go wrong.

or is it just the ROM? If just the ROM then what's the best ROM around that will tick all the right boxes?

In the meantime I'm off to play with my new HD2....:D

Thanks in advance.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] k.electron:
if you want a simple rom, with smooth operation and good features, try TAEL standard edition. I can vouch for it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=561158
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] redflag:
o2 serra

The bad news....The rom supplied with the Serra is a dog (as you have probably learnt). Has problems 'sleeping' at night, is graphically horrible & freezes whenever challenged!

The good news... The device is a winner, all problems are software related, you have some re flashing to do & there are plenty to advise on simple stable rom's better than me.

Clearly with multiple devices & reflashing, you need to be aware of voiding your warranty. Dropped mine four foot onto slate floor & the screen started acting badly.... A freezer might come in handy.....Enjoying NRGZ Rom on a replaced device
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
Yeah I had figured the Serra ROM is a dog.Thanks for confirming that to me tho!

Your suggestion the hardware is a winner has given me some hope, so thanks.

I will test out the TAEL ROM and see how it fares.

In fact I think I was at one point using the TAEL ROM myself. (I couldnt stand the O2 ROM more than about a week)

If it passes my in-house testing (giving it to my boss for a bit - he's impartial) then I may try the rollout. See if I can fend off the iPhone wanters and their pitchforks.

Any other suggestions for ROMS welcome of course.......
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] xboomer55:
iPhone, Blackberry, Nokia, Palm Pre! even!...

Usually, only the win32 centric IT type like the WinMo. You should have titled your post "Best device for simple folks" :D

Who's paying for that Leo?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
Your prob right, but I got these at the start of this year, when the iPhone (IIRC) only just got exchange sync, and the pre was a distant dream. Plus half of the staff already had Windows PDA's. So I was thinking it would soften the learning curve.

You know what its like now - people act like children over bloody iPhones. I'm not an Apple hater but its horses for courses, iPhones and Macs fine as a choice for home users but not a business tool. Dont get me started on the iPod touch being described by apple as a "handheld learning device" to flog it to education! grrrrr.

And the Leo? I fought for two of them in place of two serras that developed faults cos there was no equivalent replacement.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] 8525Smart:
Hmm, if you ask me, the best ROM that just works is EnergyROM (the most current one is Phoenix 2). From my experience, EnergyROM is very fast, very stable, and tends to be streamlined. In my opinion, this is probably the best ROM for simplicity.

Mind you, I'm not knocking Tael ROM. I tried the version with Sense 2.5 recently and I'm in love. It is shockingly fast and stable; much more so than any other ROMs with Sense 2.5 that I tried.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sagarc88:
Simple ROM

If i were you id use Tael's rom... i used Energy ROM for about 7-8 months because it was eye candy and had a lot of apps i needed... its the best looking and most loaded ROM there is in this forum... but i made the switch because the battery didn last very long and i started gettin a lot of bugs after like a month of use... don know how it happened... Energy ROM is more for personal use and for showing off... (Dont get me wrong... i appreciate all the work NRGZ does and all the time he puts into his wonderful ROM)

I switched to Tael's ROM about like a month ago and it is the most stable ROM there is... during this whole month i didn have one problem with it. the ROM has only the most basic and useful applications... It also gives me a battery life of about 3 days on normal texting, bluetooth for like 5-6 hrs a day, phone usage of about 2 hrs of talk everyday and 3G on at all times! if i probably turn of the 3G, auto updates of some program, and stop using bluetooth... i would get atleast 4 days out of it! If u want a reliable ROM with almost all the functions of the phone, Tael's ROM is the best! :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] maxlazy:
OK, so what about the best simple ROM for tilt, or both tilt and fuze?

I just picked up a Tilt and Fuze and would greatly appreciate advice as which best "simple" (=stable, easy install) ROM would be for each, please? And ideally, if there is a ROM which would cover both? (I'm on t-mo)

many thanks

Tilt, unlocked to T-mo

Fuze, unlocked to T-mo
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] 8525Smart:
Er, EnergyROM is the most loaded ROM? I think you're mistaken. That would probably be Chrome ROM (which even the author calls 'the Cadillac' of ROMs).

Your claims about battery life confuses me even more. I put my Fuze (with EnergyROM at the time) through a stress test and it lasted roughly 6-8 hours with constant Youtube, video playback, and 3G radio. I have not done the same for Tael ROM, but judging from usage, it would lastly roughly the same amount.

I'm not saying you were lying about your experience regarding EnergyROM, but I just wanted to put in that ER is definitely not as bad as you described.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nephets0:
i'm liking taels rom right now, it seems to be faster than the energy rom as i'm getting less hang ups while scrolling etc. battery lif is about two days with tael and about the same with energy, sending/receiving 300 txts a day and maybe a couple of phone calls...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] hilaireg:
I'm torn on this thread ...

... part of me feels it should remain open to allow the OP to obtain the information required to make an informed decision for his faculty users.

... and part of me feels it should be closed as these types of thread end up with posts full of emotionally charged opinions about chefs and their roms.

@cjwhite:

If the thread remains on topic and devoid of emotionally charged opnions, I'll leave it open. Once you have obtained all of the information required, please issue a request to have this thread closed.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Farmer Ted:
I'd recommend that you stay away from any roms using the new office 2010. It's beta, and expires in 5-6 months. Since the phones aren't going to be updated frequently (hopefully never, I'm sure), you don't want any part of time-bombs. You might consider just flashing a stock HTC rom.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pilgrim011:
I agree. Just grab this ROM: http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=140&cat=2&dl_id=501 and you won't regret - it's bug-free, stable, fast enough.

Alternately, you can try shep's ROM: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=497699, but not the new version, because it's buggy. I recommend the "old" ROM (10. august), I used it for a month without problems, then I reverted to HTC latest primarily because I don't like 6.5 Start Menu.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] madnish30:
I'm a Chrome ROM lover, they are as loaded as NRGZ ROM.

Performance they both have their pros and cons.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] madnish30:
For the ROM your looking i would suggest nothing but Timolol's ROM.

They are so fast and So basic.

As basic as stock with no extra apps.

They don't have a manila version hece only the simple titanium to use.

They are on a old build which is very stable.

Though i would never use such a bland ROm but for the people for whom you are going to Flash the ROM this is the Best ROM.

Give it a try.

It is really Light !

Timolol's ROM

Even the chef calls it "Stock like ROM"
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
Hi everyone.

There was a worrying moment where I thought we were going all emotional!

Mind you its the varied opinions that make this place so interesting.

I'm really grateful to all of you for your effort in replying.

I think the bottom line is I need a ROM for "someone who has never been on XDA-Dev".

I'm going to try Tael's latest ROM as I've personally found it solid enough in the past, and the feeling I'm getting from you is that it is pretty well liked.

I do however like the idea of a stock ROM. What would they be missing out on by using the stock HTC ROM? Anything a normal person would miss?

Cheers

Chris
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pilgrim011:
Nothing really important. :) On stock ROM there is an older Manila build, that's maybe the most important thing, also cooked ROMs are often loaded with apps. But, stock HTC ROM has one big advantage over all cooked ROMs - absolutely everything is working, and that's not the case with cooked ROMs - there's always something wrong, missing from ROM etc. For example, on most cooked ROMs (OS 6.5) you will find that video call doesn't work, if it works there are some other bugs with the dialer, such as non-working USSD codes or inability to answer calls (not chef's mistake, just dialers ported from other devices do not work 100%). Then there are some other problems - on one ROM MMS ain't working, on the other battery is pathetic, or the phone is very slow and buggy due to the use of Sense (Manila) 2.5 etc. You get the point - if you choose cooked ROM, there will always be something that isn't working, question is - do you (your workers) need those non-working functions.;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
Well...... I just flashed TAEL standard ROM."launch browser" button not working on internet tab.

@pilgrim011 - Perhaps your right! :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] madnish30:
Did you try the timolol's ROM.

Everything is working on that !

You must give it a try.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pilgrim011:
Video call is not working, for example.;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
LOL - I see where this thread is heading.....

"hey try this one...." ;)

Right well I cant seem to find a fix for the browse button being broken in TAEL ROM, so TIMOLOL is next up. (although the people in question are used to TF3D, not sure how well the standard WinMo interface will go down......)

still tempted by stock ROM - but no slide 2 unlock built in and I wanted to avoid cab installs (why should I have to??) and I think 6.5 is a bit more finger friendly.

downloading latest ROM now - anyone know if this one still wakes on SMS? - thats a stupid trick if ever there was one. :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pilgrim011:
HTC ROM that I use has slide2unlock, no need for manual install.

Timolol's ROM is very good choice, by the way. I have used it for a few months, and there are no major issues, except with the Tachi dialer. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] madnish30:
Well if this thread is going to be going here and there get it shut.

Hilareg is waiting... :rolleyes::rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sagarc88:
I have never tried Chrome ROM ... but so far i tried ER, Tael's, and Shep's ROM. outta those, i found that ER was the most creative, loaded w/ all the nice programs, and the best looking. i wasnt trying to make ER look bad, but if you are trying to put a ROM on the phones and give it out to employees, you'd want the most stable and most battery lasting phone. And from my experience ER was not the most stable ROM. With your own personal phone, it is a very good ROM but not for distributing it out to employees who hardly know anything about the phone.

On the other hand, im using Tael's 15th Nov ROM and till this day i havent had one problem on it. Everything is running very smoothly. It was simply the most stable. Of course, not as pretty looking as ER, but for somethin like the OP wants, it is a very good choice IMHO.

About the battery life: on a stress test Tael's ROM may also give the same results but thats because its a stress test. Im using my phone for the same things and amount of time as when I was using ER, and it lasts a much longer time! Now im not a developer or have any kind of insight in these things so i cannot justify why that is but that is wat found according to my experience.

sry if i made it seem like ER was bad, i was not aiming for that. i was simply pointing out the difference for the OP's situation. All ROM's have their Up's and Down's. I would personally never say anythin bad abt a dev cuz well they put a lot of effort into their work n for free! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] kevlarpants:
Where is the ER Rom ? I'e not seen that one.

Thanks,
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
@sagarc88 thanks but I believe TAEL's ROM doesnt have the browser button working (didnt for me anyhow).

Timolol's looks good but I'm running out of time to get these loaded to fully test these ROM's

Right now, as suggested by farmer ted & pilgrim011 - I've got a unit loaded with the latest stock HTC ROM. Pi

@pilgrim011 where might I find this HTC ROM with S2U?

The problem is the leathery pouch they come with presses on the screen, so if it rings in your pocket you've had it. Same with the wake-on-text, the darned thing wakes up and starts ringing people. (did anyone test these things in the real world??)

So for this I have loaded up S2U2 from cab and enabled slide-to-answer in it as well. Just on one handset for now.

Thats where I'm at. Anything I've missed that's an essential for non-techies?

I'm a bit sad I don't feel able to push things forward a bit to, say, 6.5, but the lack of total stability and functionality is a showstopper. I dont mean that in a negative way to the ROM cookers, personally I prefer being cutting edge, but if a phone freezes every 3 days and has to be reset, thats a big deal for those who just want a phone.

In hindsight I'd probably just give the buggers an iPhone.

[RANT] What I need is a bombproof, useable UI that doesnt do crazy stuff, have bits that dont work etc. I never want to see these handsets ever again! [/RANT]
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pilgrim011:
Here you go: http://www.htc.com/www/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=140&cat=2&dl_id=501. Just find some working S/N and download. S2A is in ROM, every single function is working as it should be. :)

Sorry, my mistake - this ROM doesn't have slide2unlock, just slide2answer. So, if it's that important to have slide2unlock, don't try this ROM.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sagarc88:
Im currently using his older nov 15th rom... and it doesnt have that problem but i think pilgrim011 is right... for the best bugfree ROM, ur better off with an HTC official ROM. First its an OFFICIAL ROM jus incase some1 tries to get a warranty exchange lol... and second its prob the most bugfree... and u can always download the extra softwares u need seprately!! :) ...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] miffymiffy:
I dont really like being involved in these types of threads, but i have had the same issues and I put three of my friends on noonski's rom, found here

It is very similar to a stock rom, however it has all the newly updated items which seem to work flawlessly. To be quite honest, stay away from 6.5. It will cause your employee's no end of trouble in the coming months. I have found that the longer 6.5 is used, the more bugs it seems to produce.

Good luck with the choice.

Mick.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] 8525Smart:
Well, that was why I was recommending ER. You had an entirely different experience than I did. When I was using ER, it was absolutely stable, and battery life was the same as any other ROM I've used. Actually, this is not the only difference in opinions we have; I actually think Tael ROM looks slightly better than ER.

I don't see what would be the issue of distributing it to less knowledgeable people. The main issue at hand would be stability and performance; if the ROM has that, then it would be fine to distribute to anyone.

Again, I'm not sure I understand the problem. The point of a battery stress test is to make the phone work as hard as possible in order to see how long the battery lasts. If two ROMs last the same amount of time during a stress test, they should last the same amount of time during normal usage.

I'm not sure why you had experienced such large differences in battery life, but I might suggest it may be a radio issue. Back when I first got my Fuze, I had tested a few ROMs before settling on one only to discover later that it ate battery life like crazy in low 3G places (I mean literally 20-30% of battery per hour without any usage at all), which was far more than a ROM I used previously. After flashing a better radio on it, however, battery consumption returned to normal.

Anyway, I think we're getting a bit off-track.

Ultimately, ER was just my recommendation of choice, but I really think Tael ROM is completely fine too. As I said, I'm actually using Tael ROM right now. My experience with ER had been great, but so has my experience with Tael ROM. In such a case, I think two people recommending one ROM as opposed to one person recommending one ROM is a better idea. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] 8525Smart:
Here you go: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=536751
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pilgrim011:
I disagree with this. One more thing, every Energy ROM that I've tried had bad or even unacceptable battery life. Even NRGZ28 stated that he doesn't care about battery performance (later he removed that statement from first posts of his several threads). This is not a post against NRGZ28 - he is a great chef with amazing eye-candy and fast ROMs, but battery performance is the last thing on his mind.:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cjwhite:
Ok - here's the end result.

Stock HTC ROM - (boring but it works....)

S2U with S2A / Slide to reject turned on.

Its not quite as modern and finger-friendly as I'd have hoped but I'm not willing to give anything over stability.

Thanks everyone for your input. It is genuinely appreciated.

@Mods - I'm done.

Thank you and good evening.

:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] madnish30:
Great that you were able to find ur result hope the guys at ur school are happy now with their XDA's..

Enjoy.

Take care. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] the0ne:
Here is a xBox live stats app for Windows Mobile. Its called WM Live and is still in beta.

WM Live runs on Windows Mobile powered devices, and it lets you sync your Xbox Live friends career / status / gaming history on your device so you can look it up while online OR offline. NET Compact Framework (which you might already have installed) is required.

Plz note : I am NOT the developer, just promoting it.

Developers Page and download : http://m.zaamit.com/wmlive/ [ via 1800PocketPC.com ]
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zaamit:
And here's the developer :)

Thanks for the post theone, hope Xbox gamers enjoy my little app. All and any kind of feedback / suggestion is VERY welcome!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] havox22:
thanks bout to download now
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] loomx:
awesome :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] m4xm4n:
What versions of Windows Mobile are supported?

(Please say WM2003SE)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zaamit:
I know it runs on wm2003, possibly with some graphic glitches. Personally, I've tested it on WM5, 6.1, and 6.5 in both portrait and landscape.

Just smartphones are unsupported at the moment.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] the0ne:
@ zaamit : glad to see you here :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zaamit:
well, glad of being an ungreatful lurker no more :P
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] silvertorch:
Great App

Thanks!

I'll give it a try

Edit:

Just installed it on my TP2. Works like a charm. I was able to add my Xbox Live account as well as my friends.

Updates are nice and quick, as well as the app.

I like the sliding in and out animation for the Avatars.

I did find a minor bug.

When displaying an Avatar that has been set to maximum height the top of the head is cut off, in both Landscape and Portrait mode.

Here is an example, my avatar vs. my friends avatar:

One suggestion is to add borders to the Game Details popup (unless its borderless intentionally), its a lil hard to tell that something actually popped up with everything being white. Not a real big concern though.

Over all a great app.

Looking forward to seeing this app evolve.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zaamit:
Thanks so much for your feedback and the kind words too :)

You're right about the popup panel: it's borderless just because it was the quickest way to get it done, but the plan is to spice up the graphics a little bit before v1.0, so I'll definitely keep that in mind.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zaamit:
Quick update, as v0.9.4 is now available for downloading at that same address. As before, any comment / suggestion is more than welcome :)

Also, if you really like the app a Paypal donation is always appreciated. Goes without saying that it's not required and I will keep up with development as long as people use WM Live
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ccr41981:
awesome man! thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Aqrab:
awesome program

i will try it in my HD2
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lesscro:
HELP !

i want help with graphics...

Change default background like 360 UI...

Change button like 360 dafut menu when push X... gray and Green...

if you want, contact me...

Cheers...

LeSScro
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Aqrab:
works great in my HD2 :)

BUT THE PROGRAM ICON IS CRAP

it need to be changed
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lesscro:
+1 about graphics...

must be better ! on WVGA !