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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] moisha:
So good to see people dedicating their free time and sharing. Keep it up, guys !

Wouldn't you folks agree that xda-developers have been an alma-mater for all your Kaiser/Tilt Android question and enhancements ? If so, then I think it only make sense to keep it in the same community, specifically - on this Wiki page
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] slapadabass:
Makes sense, though I think achieving that might be a bit advanced for me at this point - I'd like to start playing with creating update tars, etc. but haven't done it yet. Is it just a matter of putting the right file in the right directory structure, or does it require messing with permissions, etc.? Any way you can post or send your update tar to enable wifi?

Agreed that the donut build you mention has great wifi, and also incredible battery life even while using wifi - better than winmo for me. However, I will say that poly's latest 2.1g build is quite a bit faster and more stable for me (running haret on ext partitions) than that same donut build. I get very little lag opening or closing apps, and I think the only force closes I've had were when using Navigator (haven't had ANY consistent luck on ANY build using that - always freezes phone or app stops responding at some point).

FYI - I am using dzo's 3/4/10 zImage with no problems also, for those who wanted to try it. Going to try the 3/8/10 version shortly.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stumps:
A rule of thumb

Guys, just to mention ... solely based on my several months of experience ... 95% of the time you have troubles related to sluggishness or slowness of your phone - the problem is very simple - your SD card sucks, get a faster one (at least class 6) as soon as possible.

Believe me ... I've already tried 1.5 , 1.6, polymod 2.1a, 2.1b and 2.1g, all tested on partitioned SD cards or just using the standard .img files and I can tell for sure that many SD cards are out there and they really, just really suck. It's not worth blaming such a huge achievement like the android on our kaisers as long as a simple stupid card ruins everything.

... and again ... always doubt the SD card for you slow Android... always!!!

... a tuned startup.txt/default.txt of mine is listed below for you convenience and pleasure of use:

kill *.exe
set RAMSIZE 0x08000000
set RAMADDR 0x10000000
set FBDURINGBOOT 0
set MTYPE 1553
set KERNEL zImage-eclair
set initrd initrd.gz

set cmdline "clock-7x00.mddi=0xa51 clock-7x00.ahb_div=2 clock-7x00.slow=1 clock-7x00.voltage=1 board-kaiser-battery.battery_capacity=1350 board-htckaiser.panel_type=0 ppp.nostart=0 ppp.apn=inet-gprs.mtel.bg pm.sleep_mode=1 mddi.width=240 mddi.height=320 no_console_suspend board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt=0"
boot
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] piotrv:
I reckon this is totally wrong. The parameter battery.battery_capacity is not in mAh but the total of units that results from dmesg | grep ds2746 at full loaded battery

For a 1350mAh Samsung KAIS160 Li-ion , battery.battery_capacity = 4320 (approx)

this value is using more power, so only use if you favour speed over battery life
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Biglittlewhateva:
So far this build works great. For the most part it runs extremely fast. On occasion it will lag out but not too often. Everything seems to work fine. The instructions on the first post are very accurate and helped a great deal. Following those instructions lead to no issues whatsoever.

My only concern is that my phone shows an uptime of around 965 years... :p

Seriously though, my real concern is that the phone will stop charging around 95%. Unplugging and re-plugging the device back in doesn't seem to help. Any suggestions?

I decided to leave the device plugged in, even though it stated it was not charging (95% charge). After a bit, I looked again and it reported battery levels at 100%. Will the device keep charging after reporting it is not? How accurate are the battery measurements with this build?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] aikeru:
I've mentioned plenty of times how much I like Poly's builds, but I've just ordered some allegedly class 6 8gb MicroSD cards. As I'm stuck on HaRET (need no 3G) I am going to try it out and report my success :)

The science is sound so no matter how cheap you are (like me, lol) I must agree, using a faster MicroSD should not be underestimated!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
I have a class4 sandisk 8 GB microsdHC and when copying from it to my pc I get an average of 16MB/s

so there really should be no issue, right?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Pandemic187:
This is very old news. The fact is that no one has ever come up with a proper battery driver for our hardware. It's not this build that is causing the issue with the battery - thus, everyone has this issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
Build is Great, Using Haret in combination with sdcard with 4 partition. 1st=Fat32 (3,3GB), 2nd=EXT2 260MB System part., 3th=EXT2 data part? 260MB and 4th=Linux Swap (was ended up for 64MB)

The speed is very fast. Compared with a buddy that runs with nzb method. Result, NZB is way faster, but with this method you can still try and play.

Only problem for my is that SMS doenst work 100%. Cant add contact to sms to. And my battery is draining as hell, battery dead?

Did the android battery calibration (monkey method :P) put extra line in default.txt of the units with my battery.

When power is under 60% (in android) Totally shuts of. Without the line in default.txt, under 26% it turns of.

Somebody suggestion to try :D.

Realy loving android on kaiser, damn way faster and for me way easier to use :D
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] acompres:
The new release is working like a charm flashed to NAND on my kaiser :) one thing though, in previous updates the charging time was around 1:20 hours, now it's like 5-6something hours to charge, is this the new battery optimization?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Biglittlewhateva:
Good deal, thanks for the reply. I have nothing to worry about then. Runs sweet.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcarr622:
I'm having a couple of issues and I'm wondering if their are sollutions:

--SD Card does not work at all (known working card in WinMo and on PC, formatted as FAT32).

--Screen sometimes turns white during an incoming call and you can't see who'se calling

--When keyboard is slid closed, the screen rotates 180 degrees instead of returning to portrait.

Hopefully there are known fixes to these :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
--if you search the forum there is a way to get work via usb if that what u mean.

-- I get the same prob but mine turns black for a bit but the screen comeso n

--Go to settings>Sound and display> Uncheck orientation

Hope that helps
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Biglittlewhateva:
Sorry to keep beating a dead horse but, is there a way to kick start the charging of the battery? Mine is at 88% and doesn't want to see the charger is plugged in.

Booted back to WinMo. Android reported a 87% battery life, WinMo says 71%.

That would explain why some users report the phone shutting off while still displaying a battery percentage.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcarr622:
Thanks for the Rotation fix, that works just fine.

I guess the display thing is just an existing problem, it's not critical. I presume it's not because of Panel type (I'm using type 2 on a Tilt), as everything else works.

Regarding SD card, I'm referring to it working within Android for accessing pictures, music, etc. Currently it does not show up at all, and removing it or inserting it doesn't create any notifications as it should.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
your welcome, im not sure, search the forum and see if anyone else had that problem..

about the sd card. mine works fine. i put a picture in it and it shows right on my phone.

i cant seem to get my FN symbols to work right. I heard changing panel makes it work but i have no idea how.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] nostyle7:
都是外国人呢...

迷糊了 什么也看不懂..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Biglittlewhateva:
Google translation from Chinese to English...

Are a foreigner ...

What confused and can not read ..

I assumed that is Chinese. The Japanese to English translation made no sense at all.

My guess is someone will ask you to post in English.

我的猜测是有人会问您张贴在英国。
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Biglittlewhateva:
OMG! LOL! Been trying to figure out why my phone wouldn't charge while running Android so I boot to WinMo and it still wouldn't charge.

That's when I realized I had my PS3 plugged in and not my charger. DOH!

1d10t
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] seancojr:
If everything else works fine without any display issues then you might have too many tasks running causing your device to freeze up when its trying to bring up the dialer. I would try using TasKiller to close most, if not all tasks. Make a test call to your phone and see what happens.

As for your SD Card...how were you able to install/boot Android then? Are you booting via HaRET or from NAND? If Android installed fine and you haven't made any changes to your card since (formatting, defragmenting, etc.) then it should show up in Astro as /sdcard, so long as you have partitioned your card correctly. You might want to take another look at the installation steps to check you did everything correctly.

http://www.androidonhtc.com/wiki/Installing_Android

Not the panel type, but close. What you want to adjust is the "board-kaiser-keypad.atttilt " setting. If you're booting via HaRET you can set in your default.txt/startup.txt to either 0 (false - Kaiser keypad) or 1 (true - Tilt keypad). If you've installed to NAND then you want to get the appropriate NBH from http://sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/files/, there are ones for general Kaiser devices and also for Tilt devices.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] xxaznxx27:
random things

so i was playing around with the gps and for whatever reason the google maps works (doesn't get the right location though, but it's 100m within range), but my GPS test doesn't work? anyone have any ideas?

also i know poly's busy doin his thing, but does anyone know a fix for the wifi being slow/on and off?

thanks:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
Doens't make sense with the battery units

I let the mobile charge for 8 hours, Dmesg said 6341 units. Restart phone, changed line from 4462 to 6341, my battery died in 3 hours of standby. LOL!

i changed it back to 4462, now it says battery 57%, Winmo it was 91%. FAIL???
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mifam:
Hi!

I ran several of poly's builds on my POLA100. I did encounter some of the funny displays you were referring to, but on this last one (2.1g light theme + zImage-eclair 20.2) it didn't happen.

Anyhow - it works now smoothly from a class 4 SDHC card, with two ext2 partitions.

What I would do is to get everything anew (basefiles from sourceforge and .tgr from here), and use this attached default.txt which proved to work for me (or just edit yours to use the -eclair kernel).

Go slow, and wait for a few seconds after HaRet loads to run. I don't know if this really matters but it can't hurt...;)

After pressing and holding D-PAD (when it asks you. It will show a <$A or something but then load the install menu). Install, and then quit it and wait... it should take a while but you should see the Android "lightning" splash eventually.

If all of this fails, I'd change the default.txt to include board-htcpolaris.panel_type=. in previous builds, changing that to 1 instead of the default 0 solved a similar problem for me.

BTW - if you haven't been there already, androidonhtc.com is a nicely structured complement to XDA-dev on this topic

Good luck!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
@mifam I ve done all that stuff with a class 4 SD card too. But I still get a msm-i2c error. Can you tell which rom do you use?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Ruz:
Android Experiences

I took the decision to flash to NAND on Saturday after playing with Ploys builds on SD cards previously, and thought I'd post some feedback on the experience.

* General performance when running on NAND is much improved over SD Card (as expected). Anyone not happy with performance on SD card should consider NAND flashing, or at least bear in mind that running on SD seems to incur a performance hit.

* It takes Andriod longer to boot on my device than WinMo does. Not a biggy but noticeable. I haven't made any definitive measurements and I am pretty sure thats the case.

* GPS takes an absolute age to aquire a lock. It does do it eventually but we're talking 5 or 10 minutes sometimes...

* Battery life is more than reasonable - I had best part of 36 hours on a single charge on my 2 year old battery. This was with fairly light usage - some wireless at times, several reboots. Disabled background syncing and no 3G. Put it this way, its not too far of my WinMo times with comparable use.

* I'm not convinced I've been able to get 3G to work - which might be a provider problem. I did put a colleagues O2 Sim in, and got some '3g' connectivity but it was very slow so I wasn't convinced it was full 3g, it could have been 2g - not sure how to tell the difference. Is there some tool I can use to determine the specific types of connectivity I'm using? Or just the icon on the task bar?

* The phone detects T-Mobile UK network as 'One 2 One Person'. Think it also detects 'BTCellent' for O2. Not sure how or where to change this?

* Have had one or two odd 'lockups' - nothing I can reproduce or provide any decent diagnostics on. One last night was when I'd left GPSTool running to try to get a lock - the phone went to sleep and refused to wake up. Had to remove the battery.

Anyway, all in all it's a pretty good and very usable experience. :)

Ruz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] damdirt21:
Pin code problem

Hi,

First I use HTC Polaris

I have another problem with installing Android via SD.

Everything works but at the time of typing PIN code, I enter my PIN code but Android tells me it's an "incorrect pin".

Do you have the same problem?

thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
In win mobile you have to disable the pin query for the mobile phone function first, then you can use android.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jaffarbp:
what radio are you running ?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] dcarr622:
I successfully installed onto NAND from the SD Card. However, Android doesn't seem to recognize the card now that it's installed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Ruz:
@jaffarbp Running Radio 1.71.09.01 as per the instructions on the first page. I reflashed to this level while still on WinMob (running a TPC Elite ROM), and it continued to work fine. I then ran Polys build off an SD card for a while, and as that worked I went to NAND and still fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
I noticed that when i charge overnight and use the phone in the morning things just go wrong.

--First thing is that applications are running, such as calendar, corporate calendar, and sometimes youtube. I dont remember opening these in my sleep..unless i was android deprive and started playing with the phone in my sleep which is unlikely. But i just task kill it.

-- My volume key messes up, it will go up and down, but it goes very slow and the sound wont sound to tell me the level it is on.

-- When i make a phone call and i get a phone call, i cant hear the other person, nor can they hear me.

** all this is solved by a restart, i mean its not a big bother but i just wanna see if anyone else experience this after a charge.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
FN symbols problem is related to the keyboard type, the easiest way to fix this is reflash an nbh that matches your keyboard, I assume your using one of the sourceforge nbh's, since they are all tilt keyboard.

The only source for the non-tilt keyboarded nbh's is DZO's site, which is

: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D.

Note that these nbh's are slightly different to vilords, you must have an SD card in your device to use these, it does not have to be an install SD, any SD will do.

Simply flash the NBH the same way you would for installing, but after flashing and pulling the battery, just let it boot, it does not require a reinstall of android.

Another thing to note, these nbh's are getting out of date, so in the future you may have to just get used to mixed up FN keys, or find out if you can hex edit the nbh ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Terrandroid:
Yeah, this is really cool i haven't used my kaiser

Sind i got my G1 but when i read that it would

Be possible to get android on it i was thrilled!

No i hope i can get it to work tho. Anyway, thanks

For all the hard work guys. You are amazing ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
For me, no problem at all. Do you phone alot on one day? Cause, i get almost 6 calls a day. On the day that polymod made android roms never had a problem.

Also, no problem with opening programs when the phone was charged at a night.

Only agree with the sound volume.

Do you also have problems with battery. Mine doesn't want to give almost the same percentage as winmo does. now i have @winmo 60%, and android 46%. Also, my indicator also gives in android the whole day around the 40%. Full charge= 58% :confused:. Inserting the adapter/usb to charge, suddenly it jumps to 99% than 100%. Then when i use android, you would think that android is suddenly very light at battery. does take ages to get from 100% till 60%. under 60% it turns off.

Is it battery driver problem, or battery is just going to die? Not to forget, i added the units line in default.txt
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
Well yes. during the day after i restart the phone, i have no prob, except for a short lag when someone calls me its dark for a bit and the screen comes up,..minor inconvenience..

as for the programs, i kill all programs before i go to bed, when i wake up they are there..very weird.

I havent really check the battery or complained that much about it, what i did was i let the phone die, restarted and charged to 100 percent and did it again, however i can check the batter right now and let you know. Poly himself has said that the batteries need to be collaborated and android usually do it by itself.

Edit--as of 2:05 pm, My WinMO says its at 70% and my Android says its at 79% via spare parts..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] piotrv:
Unless there is no difference between the internal memory of Tilt and the other Kaiser models, in my experience , class 6 SD is much faster than NAND

An another disadvantage of NAND is the limited internal memory of the Kaiser compared to SD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] piotrv:
Unless there is no difference between the internal memory of Tilt and the other Kaiser models, in my experience , class 6 SD is much faster than NAND

Another disadvantage of NAND is the limited internal memory of the Kaiser compared to SD
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] idumych:
Can't install

I'm having a strange issue with my Tilt. I've been running of NAND pretty much since day one, and recently I had to go back to WinMo for a few hours so I could use the camera. I flashed back to the latest NBH from DZO, and everything went fine. However, I can't get it to install androidinstall.tgz! There is no install option in the menu. On the SD, the only files I have are KAISIMG.nbh and a directory called andboot. in andboot/ I have the androidinstall.tgz file.

What can I do?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jaffarbp:
format card again, get files for your andboot directory again, and try again. Worked for me when it didn't want to run it... If i recall it correctly there should be more then just one file in andboot dir
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] damdirt21:
=)

thank you very much, It works now =)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] assangflexx:
Hmm, for my opinion it is a very huge gap, 9% is much. For 10 fingers, you lose 1 finger :p

I will keep an table of my battery % and with dmesg my units. Really want to know how it is by other people
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] cesierra:
voice calls using Fring

has anyone been able to make or receive voice calls using Fring?

I have polymod 2.1g running from SD card,

I can run Fring fine, until a call is received, then it force closes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mrschwarz:
Does someone have any suggestions for a default.txt for an AT&T Tilt? I have searched the thread and cannot find one for the Tilt.

Thanks.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jforme:
I took Kaiser default.txt file and inside I changed tilt=0 to tilt=1 and it worked fine.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
i found a new problem..maybe its a quick fix cause im not used to android...

i was typing a text message..all fast and what not..then all of a sudden, i get different kinds of the same letter pops up..so it would be like a, a with an accent, and other different kind of a's i guess from other languages..i pressed the x button my keyboard decides to stop functioning :-\
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jonahs:
1: This is a feature of Android, that can help those who are in need of extended characters (I for one can't live without them as I'm from Sweden). Long pressing a character presents you with extended characters of that main key if there are any.

2: Did your keyboard stop working every time you pressed the x, or you only tried once? I have perhaps once or twice had my keyboard stop working but I can't tell if it was because the use of extended characters or not, my x to close the extended character dialogue works fine as far as I can tell. See if you can reproduce the problem by repeating it and having it fail consistently. You might have found something that needs attention or it might just have been a fluke.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] piotrv:
I believe the DZO installer script is expecting a tar file instead of tar-gzip

Not sure about latest dzo

try vilord image
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] stumps:
It would be interesting to see some memory statistics so can someone please kindly share what the free command outputs when running with NAND? ... I'm currently with polymod 2.1g on partitioned SD card using haret.exe and free gives the following:

total	used	free
mem:	93480	91564	1916
Swap:	0	0	0
Total:	93480	91564	1916
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Ruz:
Update: I can confirm that my 3G issues were a result of T-Mobile screwing things up, not the Android. I tried a different SIM in my Kaiser and 3G worked off the bat, so I called T-Mob this morning and they finally fixed it for me - someone had screwed up the settings on my account at their end.

Just to close out I now see that if using GPRS you get a 'G' in the little system bar, and if on 3G you get a little '3G'.

Battery life is still fine although I'll see how that changes now I can use data again. This week, I took it off the charger on Sunday morning, charged it again overnight Monday, and having been run for 24 hours since being taken off charge yesterday morning, I'm still seeing 50% charge left.

Cheers

Ruz