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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
in almost every way the htc device is better. it may not be better for you. but asking opinions in an very htc forum in a section where owners of the htc device look wont score opinions in the lgs favor. what ever device you wanna buy, buy it. but everyone here will say htc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Sellitus:
Hey ChasDun, I think this is more of the response you're looking for. I am also an ATT user and as far as smartphones I started with the Blackjack, went to the first Tilt, Fuze, now the Tilt2. Before I bought either of these phones I did a LOT of research to determine which, at the time, was a better phone.

The reason I just purchased the Tilt2 was because not only can you load custom ROMs which is a ridiculously huge advantage over most other non-HTC phones. Along with that, the Tilt2 has everything where it counts, and as a result it excells in operation, both as a phone and all the other operation. With the new 6.5.3 Windows Mobile everything is fast, smooth and stable enough to use as an everyday OS, as well as the fact that the performance of the phone is always getting better with every new build and driver that is released.

So in the end, if you purchase the LG, you're getting less function, a little more performance and a LOT less battery. So if this makes any sense, HTC = Function and other brands are still learning what it takes to build a really functional smartphone. (Unlike any other phone I've ever had, I use all the buttons on the Tilt2)

The lack of a directional pad isn't a big deal since the onscreen keyboard has one, but that is one of my few complaints about the phone (but I'm already over it)

In the end, though, I have to be fair and say I'm maybe a little bit biased because I couldn't imagine how much better the Tilt2 was an improvement over the Fuze, but for whatever reason the performance and functionality are a few steps over the Fuze.

Hope this helps!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChasDun:
Thanks to those of you who gave thoughtful answers. I know it's too early to tell how good or bad the LG will be. But I know that many of you on here are way more informed about new devices like this than I am. I also am very aware that posting this in the xda forums is going to have an HTC bias. But that's what I want. I have owned a half dozen HTCs over the years and I am basically wanting to hear some strong reasons why I should take the Tilt over the eXpo. But most people on here are also intelligent enough to admit the cons of the Tilt as well as the potential pros of another device like the LG.

I hear ya on that. I have taken advantage of these in the past. Unfortunately since this will be my ATT work phone I won't be able to flash new ROMs on my Tilt 2.

Understood. But by not giving it a chance you may miss out on an incredible device. Large companies like LG have entirely different teams working on phones than TVs than Ranges, etc. So maybe this team knocked it out of the park. Who knows?

Jack, in your extensive use of the LG eXpo you found that that the Tilt was better in almost every way? Elaborate? I have been frequenting these forums since my old Blue Angel days. I give most of the xda'ers more credit that they can give unbiased opinions and other insights that would be helpful in a case like this. Most of these guys are phone freaks and although HTC is king, many of them know a lot about devices in general.

Thanks Sellitus. It is exactly the type of response I was hoping for - actual facts and opinions based on experience. I don't think LG or ATT has done a good job marketing this phone. The TP2 is on every U.S. carrier so it got big buzz. But I think that the LG eXpo will slowly win a lot of people over with some of its fresh ideas (and again I am not alluding to the projector). I agree that HTC has the experience where it counts. My old Treo 750 still puts my friends' new iPhones and Blackberrys to shame with performance and versatility. But also, every HTC I have owned has had a few kinks worthy of improvement. So I am never going to turn a blind eye towards a newcomer. Basically the online reviews and demos will tell the story over the next few months. I want to believe that the LG can do everything that it touts as well as it says. I am glad to hear you say that the d-pad is not a hard issue to get past with the Tilt.

Hopefully others will chime in with their experiences. These 2 phones on AT&T are obviously marketed at the same audience with very little to differentiate them to the untrained eye.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
the screen keyboard and battery life are all better. where it falls is the processor and camera. if you prefer the expo then go buy it. but you wont be convincing anyone here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChasDun:
Jack, what about the LG keyboard did you think was inferior during your testing of the eXpo? Some of the hands-on reviews say the LG keyboard is the best part.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] EtherBoo:
While I can't give you experience based on testing the eXpo, I can give you my experience on a non-LG WinMo phone.

My first WinMo phone was the Samsung SCH-i760. I loved it at first, and number pad was amazing for use in Excel, but once I wanted to customize it, it all went to crap.

S2U2 was buggy at best. I got it to work once, but when the touchscreen failed, I could not get it working on my next phone. It would drain the battery and crash constantly.

Next I tried GridLock. It crashed as well. Lock software just didn't agree with my phone at all.

I used to see my friends with their TP1s loving all these cool apps, and me stuck in the dust because my failure of a phone could barely run most of the XDA-Apps.

So, if I buy a WM phone, it's going to be an HTC, or a phone that has a lot of support from XDA, because I know the HTC phones have a huge following.

If you don't care about a lot of the apps that are posted here, and just want Opera Mini, Skyfire (which should be awesome on the 1 GHz Processor), and MortPlayer, then grab the LG; the projector is awesome! I happen to like LG phones. My mother and fiance have nothing but good things to say about them in terms of reliability and functionality.

I hope this helps.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
the keyboard on the touch pro 2 is what makes the device. it has the best keyboard of any phone. much better than the lg expo.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ManelScout4Life:
honestly my past 3 phones were from htc. i had the 8125, the tilt and the fuze. now i just bought the lg expo got it this morning. im super glad i got this over the tilt 2. the tilt 2 is nice, it has a nice big screen, but i like the expo over it. the 1ghz processor is nice, it doesnt slow down when i run like 3 different programs at a time like my fuze did. and i did use custom roms, so far though this stock lg rom is better then any custom rom i used on my fuze. the speed is amazing. also the camera is much better then on the tilt 2. the keyboard is a bit different its not something im use to exactly but i will be in no time. i've been on this forum since my 8125 and it sucks that i cant get updates for the expo on here but im still happy with my phone regardless.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Nope, I'm a fan of "Vote with your money".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] stimpson:
They certainly are different..my problem is similar!

I have gotten a LG IQ (the Canadian Equivalent of the eXpo) and I do like it. I am still within my 14 days, so may exchange it for a Touch Pro 2...it is a hard decision...

Comments on the eXpo:

to update your comparison

1) the docs and software DO support TV out but I haven't found a cable yet.

2) the FM radio is functional, but requires a headphone or TV out cable as the antenna.

The projector will be very cool I expect when it is released.

I have no complaints about the keyboard.

With the faster processor, the LG is heads and shoulders faster than the Touch Pro I replaced - and I am talking with new custom roms on the HTC product. The TP2 is slightly faster than the TP, but the Snapdragon frankly blows the slower processors away. Every program snaps in a way that it did not on the HTC.

The S Class UI is very different to the TF3D on the HTC but they both have their strengths and weaknesses.

The fingerprint reader really does work...and fast enough that I use it when I never did take the time to use a password. This is probably a good thing given the 500+ confidential contacts I have on my phone all the time. If you could never bother to use some sort of security with your phone, this one might get you to, without any pain.

The build quality on the LG is superior to the HTC Touch Pro., I don't know about the Touch Pro 2. With my Touch Pro, the "black chrome" was always flaking, and I returned 3 of them for warranty repairs. The chrome on the LG seems to me more likely to stand up, but only time will tell.

The internet experience is far faster with the new network and processor - but I am on the Telus network and your results may vary.

For me, the only thing that makes it at all close is the custom ROM support, which I am sure will be better for the HTC. And that is why I am having a hard time deciding. At first I hated the S class UI. But it is growing on me.

Good luck with your decision...I don't know what mine will be but I am leaning toward the LG...ever so slightly. And I have to decide by Friday.

cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ManelScout4Life:
im super happy with my expo and in no time custom roms will be out I can't wait.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 69Pwned:
I LOVE MY TILT 2 ............

The End ...... :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChasDun:
Thanks to all who have replied with intelligent responses. The big hang up with me is still the lack of the d-pad. I see it is also sorely missed by some Tilt 2 users since there are many threads regarding Zoom Bar and Volume Keys as faux d-pads with dozens of posts. But there are mixed reviews on the eXpos touch sensor as a decent d-pad. So the jury is out on that one. If ATT would ever actually get the device in the stores I will just give it a trial.

The whole UI thing is a moot point to me. I have tried most everything from TF3d to iPhone to Blackberry to Symbian to Android to Widgets to Winterface to SPB Mobile Shell. And they all come with a compromise, be it speed, lack of full customization or poor usability. So I am over the "sexy" argument. I have been using SPB Pocket Plus for years now and it has made every WinMo phone I have owned incredibly useful. I can add as many tabs as I need and fully customize the home screen. And the tiny footprint doesn't take anything away from performance. Sure, it's not as sexy as what many others have on their devices, but its more functional.

BTW, I am puzzled by why people like Jack of Clubs and 69Pwned post things that have no actual value in the threads. Now I see how some people get so many posts to their name. If you can't intelligently discuss the OP then please don't bother and move on to something else. It's just a waste of our time. Anytime someone blindly says "this is better than everything else" when they have never tried "everything else", it just makes us ignore anything you say in the future. I have owned 4 HTC devices in a row and loved them all. But I am not narrow-minded enough to not want and explore other avenues. How can your keyboard be better than the one on a device you have never set hands on?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
thanks for the mention. i just dont think people appreciate phone comparison threads. most of the mods lock them. youve made up your mind that youre going to buy the lg before your first post. you dont have to try to convince us its a better phone. and no name calling or i wont give you a treemas day present! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChasDun:
If a thread has few posts by only one or two people over a few weeks then I am all for locking them or removing them. But if in only a few short days it has 20 posts from many different people then I would say it has some interest...regardless of the subject. Such is the case here.

I have not made up my mind about the LG or else I would have ordered one. I am actually heavily leaning towards the Tilt 2 unless I can get overwhelming feedback that the touch sensor on the LG is wonderful. As of now it seems flaky and the battery seems to be underpowered.

I am still holding my breath for your first worthwhile comment.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] killerskincanoe:
well i'm anxiously awaiting my box to arrive with my eXpo inside. i'm opting for this phone now. b/c of the price. and the fact that my x1 needs replaced. keyboard is out. and the headphone jack is ****ed. anywho. i can't wait for the x10 or i would. and i probably still will get it when it comes out. i just need a phone that works and now. and i want to try a snapdragon. i'm sure before too long i'll have 2.5 manila on my eXpo and i'm sure it'll run like a dream.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajmito:
I'm also undecided!

I just learned about the Expo 2 days ago. I'm just waiting for my contract with T-Mobile to end next month. I'm actually changing because T-Mobile sucks where I work, plus almost all my friends are AT&T and it'll be more cost effective when I move to AT&T.

Anyways, I almost had my mind set on the Tilt2 two untill I saw the LG online. I'm still undecided. I think the main advantage of the Expo is the fingerprint sensor and the processor. It also has a higher resolution screen (800x480 pixels) with 16 million colours. On the other hand the Tilts 2 has a slightly bigger screen, which I'm assuming will be better with the touch/control experience, and it doesn't have a cumbersome stylus hanging from it like the LG does. The Tilt 2 screen also has 65K clours only.

I'm trying not to consider any of the battery life, the tilting ability, or the camera resolution in my comparison as they're not a priority for me.

The thing is the Tilt 2 has very good reviews all over the place. I still can't find detailed reviews of the Expo! I could only find one on Engadget and it says that the WinMo doesn't utilize the 1GHz Snapdragon on the Expo, which means it might not be a very useful advantage after all. I'll keep checking this thread and will update you if I find anything.

Please let me know what you decide too because I think I need some help deciding myself :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] badersk:
I am getting an expo to review in a day or two. I have also reviewed the Tilt 2 and the pure over on Mobilitysite.com . If you want to wait a week or two.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mumboender:
tilting screen and htc

I am a fan of the tilting screen....if you fly at all its nice to be able to just put it on the tray table and watch movies...I went from a tilt to a Treo Pro to a fuze and I forgot how nice it was to have the tilting screen....

Also this community really does solve a lot of problems...I spent a little time with a couple non-htc phones and the little nagging issues are always fixed by someone in this community. I have thought strongly about going with an Omnia2 due to the screen but in the end I will stick with HTC purely because of XDA Developers....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TreyDizzle:
TP2 processor and camera are both compete crap. For me it was almost a deal breaker and I very very nearly returned it...the only thing that kept me from doing so was the availability of so many quality custom ROMs.

Looks like i'm stuck with it for now since AT&T is unwilling to release a decent Android phone(or any true iPhone killer) and Google is apparently unwilling to circumvent them. p

p.s. Despite whatever hate I might receive for this; IMO if you don't care about customization but just want a fast, easy everyday phone/camera I'd say the expo is the winner.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] chompx2:
I just ordered the Tilt2 uusing my FAN

Both are comparable but I could not resist the discount on Tilt2.

I got the HTC Tilt2 $100 less than the LG Expo.Yes, I know Public can get the LG for $200 with the rebate but this is not offered to the FAN customers.

$200 for a Tilt2 after rebate is great price!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=606020
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Jack of Clubs:
they both have the same resolution which is vwga (800x480) and both of them have the same amount of colors which is limited not by the screen hardware but by windows mobile. youll never see the colors really come through unless you boot into android and you can only dualboot into android with htc devices.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mam112663:
I have had the Expo for 2 days. So far I am not that impressed. The battery drained to 44% overnight. That is far worse than my original Tilt running Blackberry Connect. FYI, the Expo will not run Blackberry Connect.

I have also had the Expo freeze on me a few times in the first day of use.

So far I am not impressed and will probably trade it for the Tilt 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] blopez24:
im getting the tilt 2 this weekend although the projector seems pretty sweet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] g2tl:
This is completely untrue.

Phone comparison threads exist because many people don't like buying anything htc blindly. Most mods lock them? Point me those locked posts, and it should be apparent the reason they were locked wasn't so much because of the comparison per se.

This thread is useful because those two phones are the best winmo phone available on at&t.

I'm waiting for the expo to get to the retails, and then to the warranty dept so I can switch out my worn-out fuze, which I honestly can't take anymore because of its speed (or the lack thereof).

The tilt 2, with its unreal keyboard and large display is a huge draw. The tilt 2 also felt faster than my fuze. But of course, I didn't get a chance to load all the software I use.

While I appreciate all the cooks, custom ROM's here are very similar to iPhone app store: there are many, but that's not always that helpful. So not having enough cooks don't worry me a bit. I mean, there will surely be cooks for the expo, but if you think about one of the biggest reasons for getting cutom ROMs, the need isn't as urgent.

You see, other than the eye candy, what we want is speed. These 7201 chips are so slow, that cooks have to do so much tweaking to make them usable. Well, for the expo, that won't be as necessary with its snapdragon processor.

Oh, and as for the battery drain and whatnot, I think those are software issues that will be resolved, rather than hardware issue. Many of the newer htc devices had swarm of people complaining about the battery life, while another pack of people would praise the battery life of the same device. Take a look at expo's specs again. What do we have? The same processor as the HD2, but much larger battery and much smaller screen. Yeah, it'll be fine.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] g2tl:
The best bet is to wait til it's released to retail, and see it firsthand. I don't know if you noticed, but the engadget review doesn't even mention the s-class ui, which means they were just using titanium. In that case, snapdragon really is an overkill. But once you start loading other ui's and programs, it won't be an overkill considering how hd2 is getting all the raves about being so responsive.

All the stores I went to didn't care what I was doing to the phone, so you might want to install some cabs and see how each phone responds.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cenkaetaya:
why would you get the Touch Pro 2 in this day and age?

It has nothing going for it, just wait another 1-3 months and more faster cpu cell phones will be out. TP2 is a total failure in terms of its cpu, just as the Xperia X2 :(

very disappointing.

i have an xperia x1 and it powns, id never get another phone with the same cpu though.

thats like... buying a new laptop with the same hardware....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ChasDun:
Mark, nice review. Thanks for the info.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] markgamber:
No problem! If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask. To be clear, I never did get to try the projector as AT&T doesn't sell them yet. Given all the problems with the Expo, however, I seriously doubt that the projector would have changed my mind.

So far so good with the Tilt 2. I may actually keep this one and unload my Fuze and iPhone if it continues to hold up well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajmito:
Thanks for the advice, but Mark's review actually showed me exactly what I was afraid of: the software and organization of the phone. Looks like the phone is well built but needs a lot of work and I'm not a fan of flashing a phone I just bought; I'm already tired of flashing my Diamond 1.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajmito:
May be you're right, but I'm upgrading from Diamond 1. AT&T doesn't seem to be willing to get the HD2 though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajmito:
Thanks for the review man. I'm now more confused than ever after I heard the HD2 is coming soon to the US. Seems like T-Mobile is getting it though.

Chasdun, have you decided yet? I also have to switch to AT&T and I'm going to be very upset if they don't get the HD2 or something similar.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] matthewpapa:
thanks everyone for the input. i needed replace my x1 because the keyboard was borked. i was reluctant to pay 200 for basically the same specd device with a bigger screen.

despite this i bought the tilt2 (tp2) and have been thouroughly satisfied with it, way more than i could have expected. the bigger screen really does make quite a difference as far as usability.

now i see this new better specd LG device with a fingerprint reader for basically the same price and am wondering if i should re evaluate my choice. i am thinking no, but i still dont know. i need to know in 27 days though.

i usually use stock roms because they are the most reliable, so i guess it will come down to software for me. anyone have any clue if att will come up with a tilt2 ROM update anytime soon? everything about the current one is good but it sucks at memory management.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sslund:
Thanks, Mark

I'm new here & really appreciate your review, Mark.

I "defected" to the iPhone -- from an 8525 -- awhile back, and while the iPhone was "fun," my productivity really suffered because the onscreen keyboard just didn't work for me.

Anyway, I'm to the point where it's time for a new phone, and it was a given that I was going to go with the Tilt 2 until I started reading the comments in the AT&T forums. Which made me nervous, and what's with no 3.5 mm headphone jack but some honking dongle (or whatever it's called) instead?

Then I started reading about the eXpo, and it sounded good. I don't give a rip at this point about the projector, but the Snapdragon processor was making me drool.

I appreciate Mark's real world comments. I've still not made my purchasing decision (wish I could see where I could get the $199 price for the Tilt 2 -- my FAN price is $249), but I really appreciate pros/cons from all sides from those with hands on experience.