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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] CeLlgUy:
I'll admit I have not read more than a couple posts in this thread before putting in my opinion but....

LG is crap, HTC has been making these devices and doing it well for years. I don't care what stats the LG boasts, HTC will win every time. Hardware on LG's suck, software on LG's suck. I used to repair phones in a previous job and every LG phone I have ever opened up uses phillips screws instead of torrex! All around, LG is just crap. I will admit to my wife using the LG Tritan on USCC but for her needs, it does the job. For the needs of someone looking at a smartphone, however, I guarantee disappointment in the future if you go LG over HTC. Also, as someone noted already, customization on the HTC is unparalleled.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] CeLlgUy:
Also, in case you want it, here's a list of LG phones I have either sold, used or both and what I think of them:

Helix - Not bad for an inexpensive phone.

Bliss - it's okay

Tritan - it's okay

Rumor - crap

Banter - better than the rumor

rhythm - buggy software

ux-300 - crap

shine - crap

cu400 - crap

vx-5300 - crap

cu500 - crap

cg225 - crap

vx8300 - crap

cg-300 - crap

wine - it's okay

c1500 -crap

c1300 - crap

c1400 - crap

l1200 - crap

g4050 - crap

g4010 - crap

vx6000 - crap

lx-5550 - crap

VUE - crap

Wow! Amazing that I remember so many of these! lol! I have been selling phones for way too long.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] megatec45:
I currently have a Tilt and after reading the reviews here I'm more undecided as to which phone to buy.

What turns me off to the Tilt2 is the slow processor which, from what I have read, won't be able to handle a WM7 upgrade, whereas the LG's Snapdragan will. The Tilt2 will be obsolete in less than a year. I've also read of freezing and caller ID problems on the Tilt 2( check ATT Forums) which HTC has already issued hotfixes for.

Turn off for the LG is the battery and the dangling Stylus.

The only phone that I would buy without hesitation is the HD2, which unfortunately is not being picked up by ATT
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] markgamber:
If WinMo 7 is a concern and you have a phone that works, I wouldn't buy anything right now. As I mentioned before:

BUY A PHONE FOR WHAT IT CAN DO, NOT WHAT IT'S CAPABLE OF DOING

Because that potential may never be realized. The Expo may technically be capable of running WinMo 7 but that doesn't mean LG (or anyone else) will ever make WinMo 7 available for it. I'd think the chances of it ever running on the Tilt2 are a lot greater simply because of the number of hackers who will try it as soon as it's available to them. Regardless, WinMo 7 isn't available, it's not going to be available for some time and no one can say with any certainty what will and will not be capable of running that system. If Microsoft drags it out any longer or it's a total dog, you may all be scrambling for something other than WinMo in 6 months. Have some patience and make these companies actually do something for your money.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PUTALE:
i just got the tilt 2. So far, I am really happy with it. The phone is actually very fast despite the slower speed. I do believe the speed is really more of how the software has been optimed for. HTC's touchflo seems to be the best software out there because if you look at the review on the expo, there are many complains about it's sluggishness.

While the HD2 has less of such complain due to the faster cpu and the interface.

What really bugs me about the tilt 2 is the fact that it's quite heavy and slightly bulker. Expo is nice in the weight dept but the screen is smaller and of course as people have mentioned battery.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] davi23:
have lg expo

I've had my lg expo for 1 week now, but I haven't tried a tilt 2 so can't I can't compare them.

a little correction on your first post:

1. expo does have a speaker phone,

2. tilt 2 also doesn't have 3.5 jack, but if that's important for you, you should probably look for an entertainment phone rather than a business phone.

3. specs page says that expo supports up to 16gb sdhc, although the manual says 32gb

4. 4 of the buttons of the slide out keyboard are mappable, but i don't see myself using them anyway

5. the expo has TV out, but I don't have a cable to try it.

6. the expo has fm radio, you'll need to plug the head phones in (to the mini-usb port) to use it

I got the expo mainly because I was upgrading my phone and got it for $75 less than what I'd need to pay for the tilt 2 ($99 vs $175 before rebate), and it's less bulky. The choice was pretty obvious to me.

some comments about the phone:

- i find the d-pad very useful in scrolling. the fingerprint sensor is a nice addition but not must-have.

- Yes, LG UI sucks compared to what HTC has to offer, but it's still better than the Windows Mobile default ones. but If you're going to replace them with SPB MS anyway, then it's a moot point.

- Battery-life sucks, I have to recharge every 2 days, but considering I've been playing with the phone a lot during the first week

hth
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] markgamber:
And now the Tilt 2...don't read if you're a fan

As mentioned, I traded the Expo in for a Tilt 2 because of what I considered fatal design and software flaws. After a week or so with the Tilt 2 I've resolved that it's going back also. I ran into several bugs in the software and the camera is pretty bad but the main reason I'm returning it is because the radio is just awful. I own a Fuze and, at home, the signal indicator is usually 2 or 3 bars and if it's ever denied an outgoing call, I don't remember it so it's been very rare. The Tilt 2, on the other hand, shows zero bars of signal at the same location and 3 out of 4 times I dial a number, the call doesn't go through. I've missed several calls over the past week because it never rang and that's simply unacceptable.

Despite the problems, it's not a terrible phone, better than the Expo for sure, and if I didn't have the Fuze I might be inclined to keep it and put up with the bugs until HTC released a new system. I really wanted to keep this phone but I'm very disappointed in how buggy it turned out to be so back it goes. If it makes anyone feel better, the iPhone 3G and 3GS is about as good as the Tilt 2. 3 out of 4 times I try to call anyone it doesn't go through and when it does, the call is always dropped within 5 minutes. Without a doubt the Fuze has the best radio of all the phones I've used within the past couple of years. It's a shame it has such a tiny screen and feels like brick in my hand. But hey, if you can't make phone calls with your phone, what is it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cushcalc:
LG Expo first impressions by experienced WM and iPhone user

I just got an Expo yesterday, $99.99 through Amazon. I have had HTC 3125, 8125, 8525, Tilt, and Fuze (all with custom ROM's thanks to xda-developers), but over the last year have been using an iPhone 3G and 3GS, jailbroken.

My initial impressions:

Good: Build quality is good, keyboard is excellent, camera is excellent (far better camera than any HTC I've had), screen is beautiful, phone dialpad is very nice. Also like the "half-QWERTY" keyboard (compact QWERTY in HTC parlance). The proximity sensor works as well as the iPhone's, which I certainly couldn't say for the Fuze - is the Tilt 2 any better in that regard?

Weird and/or Bad: the fingerprint sensor/D-pad is very frustrating - I can hardly make it do anything - would really love to have a standard D-pad or a trackball there. the UI is a hodgepodge that is very frustrating, difficult to locate what I'm searching for. The screen sensitivity for finger touch control, like all resistive screens, can't hold a candle to the iPhone's capacitive touch screen, so the lack of an included stylus is dumb, but I always carried a penclip stylus anyway so that's not a dealbreaker for me. Lack of a standard 3.5mm audio out is another dumb move.

I really would like an iPhone with a keyboard - I keep hoping for a combination of features that equals that!

Probably will return this Expo, but will play with it for a while longer, and continue to read and comment . . .
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajairola:
Ok first off people that are heavily bashing the Expo I question how many of you have actually played with this phone for more that 20min. People need to give the expo a chance (yes it is an lg and up until now i have had a great hate for lg).

That said the expo is not perfect and the tilt2 does have some advantages but as i have found you need to spend at least a week with any phone to really have a well formed opinion about it .

I have had the Expo for 2 weeks now and I love it. The processor really makes this phone fly. now the S-class interface is a bit clunky which is why i use spb mobile shell (for now). also without a few mods Lg and ATT make this phone a little stupid with its dummed down menus but overall productivity on this phone is maximized and the speed going between tasks is very fast. Next I wish this phone was an HTC mostly because I like custom roms but some should be out soon.

Ok Battery life seems to be an issue that people are arguing about. This phone eats battery like no other (which lg did account for because of the big battery that is in the phone).At the same time it is doing alot for me during the day because it is connected to 2 email accounts one of which is part of an exchange server. Before this i had a Nokia E71x (it runs Symbian) for about 3 months and it was the same way even though it had what was considered a great battery life by most people. Also this phone charges extremely fast so if it gets low putting on the charger for 20min makes a huge difference.

The build quality on this phone is very good it feels very solid. Now the stylus not being integrated is alittle annoying but not a deal breaker.

Now for the fingerprint reader and optical pad, i love it, works flawlessly,that being said there is a learning curve an you may have to play around with the sensitivity and scroll speed to get it to your liking. The tilt2's lack of a form of dpad is a thing that pushed me away from it also the zoombar is too close to the screen and my large fingers always missed the pad and hit the icons at the bottom or side of the screen (depending on with rotation mode the phone was in).

Overall the expo is a great phone and I can only imagine what it will be capable of when custom roms come out for it.

Don't let the brand name push you away from this phone. Also the Tilt2 has old technology in it so if you think about it you are investing in something that will run future apps and os's when you buy an expo.

Finally yes this phone's interface doesn't always look as flashy or fluid as HTC's out of the box but as time goes on and custom roms come out the expo will become a phone that many people would kill to have.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] megatec45:
Received my Expo that will replace my Tilt 3 days ago, and am in the processes of setting it up.

Going from WM 6.1 to 6.5 and the LG UI is going to take a while to get used to. but the phone works GREAT! Internet loads very fast, video playback is a big improvement over the Tilt I finally have a camera that works and has a flash, no freeze ups unlike that of the Tilt2.

Fingerprint/Dpad is awesome. I can see many apps being made for the scanner. I would only give up my Expo for an HD2.

Miss the tiltable screen and on-board stylus, but no big deal.

Typical of ATT, they loaded so much CRAPWARE on this phone, it's unbelievable.

So far my battery lasts as long as my Tilt's. Usually down to 45% by end of day.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AstainHellbring:
Agreed there got my expo yesterday and it is AMAZINGLY fast its crazy I love this phone
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] zceiler12:
honestly i think that they should combine the HTC Tilt 2 and the LG eXpo. It would make a great device. I am currently trying to figure out how to contact att about my idea. Any idea how to do that?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] trueg:
I can't believe it doesn't have a stylus holder. It makes sense now. I watched a few video reviews and at no point did they point out the stylus. I just assumed it was there.

The processor seems like a major advantage. I'm having a hard time justifying an upgrade to the Tilt 2 from my Fuze when the only difference is the screen.

I've also read that the video playback performance is far superior, which has always bugged me on the Touch Pro.

Plus, custom ROMs are coming out and there is even an Expo forum here on XDA.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] megatec45:
I've had the Expo for almost 5mo now. The only time I've had to use the stylus is when I'm doing registry edits. After giving up my Tilt for the Expo, I find it very hard to look at anything HTC has to offer with the exception of the HD2.

The Tilt had an unusable camera, the Expo takes GREAT Pics & Video.

I've heard many owners of the Tilt 2 have problems of constant freezing and the same lousy camera and video playback, no such problems on the Expo. I don't have the problems with bluetooth pairing like I did on the Tilt also. I can switch from my BT stereo headset to my hands free unit in my truck without adding all kinds of software to make it almost work. Internet is at least 50% faster than the Tilt. The Expo ROCKS!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] trueg:
Well with 6.5.3, you can get by with the stylus less than with 6.5 or 6.1, but one of my most used apps is Remote Desktop and you need a stylus for that. :(

I cook my own ROMs, so software isn't a concern for me.

I thought the D-pad worked really well and the screen is nice.

The keyboard felt good, but it doesn't have enough buttons. I really like having a dedicated number row and I use tab, ctrl and right shift all of the time, so not having those buttons is unfortunate, although the Touch Pro 2 is also missing the tab and right shift buttons, so if it is between the two, the difference is the dedicated number row and ctrl button.

Ahhhhh, this is a tough decision. I'm hoping to get a SE X10 in a few days which I will then sell to purchase one of these devices. This is how it boils down for me......

LG eXpo / IQ (Telus)

Pros:

Snapdragon Processor/chipset (better video playback, gaming, everything...)

D-pad like interface

Nice size

Superior camera & flash

Better GPS performance (not verified)

$100 less expensive (don't have to import since I can get the IQ in Canada)

Cons:

Poor battery life (supposedly)

No stylus holder (that's a big one!)

smaller screen (but dpi is roughly the same as my Fuze, so that's fine with me)

No ctrl button or dedicated number row

HTC Tilt 2

Pros:

Massive screen (bigger than an iPhone)

dedicated number row & ctrl button (I will have to purchase an OEM keyboard for the Touch Pro 2 and replace the crappy one from AT&T)

Stylus holder (although not magnetic like my Fuze)

Better battery life (on paper)

Better availability of drivers & software due to popularity on XDA

Tilting screen

Cons:

Same crap video performance as my Fuze

very large

Same crap camera as my Fuze (and to make things worse they removed the flash)

No d-pad

Tab & right shift removed (very useful with Remote Desktop, ever try shift+tab when they are both on the left?)

I guess seeing the list like this, the only features the Touch Pro 2 adds over the Touch Pro is a bigger screen that tilts and improved GPS performance. All at the cost of size (needed for the bigger screen), keyboard buttons, d-pad (which admittedly was pretty crappy on the Touch Pro), camera flash and magnetic stylus.

The eXpo offers improvements in most areas of hardware, but can I live with less keyboard buttons and no stylus holder? The difference is about $100 more for the Tilt 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] GuySparkz:
Is there anyway to get the expo to run touchflo like the tilt 2 or touch pro 2?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Purple Drama Llama:
Yea, anything can run touchflo. I didn't know the eXpo had s-class UI, thought it was vanilla Titanium??? I've owned an LG device (the incite) and had no support. The lack of a g-sensor was big for me though, and the screen rotations as well as screen sensativity were horrible. Never again will I buy anything NON HTC. Even though their is a 1 GHZ processor, better camera and all, I will take my Rhodium. I RARELY ever use the camera so it's not big for me. The processor is nice but I overclock mine at 756 or something MHZ using an app I found last week and it works excellent for me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MooGoo:
I don't care about the camera, if I want to take pictures I'll use my real digital camera.

The projector seems gimmicky at best.

The only feature on that phone that I care about that is better is the CPU. But honestly, despite what many others seem to think, I've never had a problem with the operational speed on the Tilt 2, even with bloated Sense 2.5 ROMS. Maybe there's a bit of lag when starting or switching to applications, but whatevah.

The keyboard and the tilting on the Tilt 2 more than make up for it's somewhat underpowered CPU. And of course the abundance of ROMS.

Rhodium all the way.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] didozer:
I have both the tilt2 and the lg expo. i just got the expo yesturday for free using an early upgrade. At a first glance the phone looks and feels great it is designed well and you can tell it is well built. The Tilt2 is the same way though it is also well built. When I started to use the phone I was very disappointed. The first major issue I had was the touch screen. It is very inaccurate and lg's version of tf3d is horrible. I do have to admit that the camera is awesome but with all of att's garbage the snapdragon proc is useless. My tilt is just as fast if not faster, the screen is better and bigger, the speakerphone is better, it is more finger friendly and above all HTC in my opinio is the best handset manufacturer by far.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Add45:
To be honest Im not in love with my HTC Tilt 2 that much. I've had it for a couple months now after having the htc pure for a couple months before that. Maybe its the way I use it but this is the negatives I'm dealing with:

*Battery lasts about 20- 26 hours

*Speed (seems this way for every phone I have) is average to crawling slow. Freezes from time to time.

*Camera quality is good but also very slow

*Trying to make single phone call can take minutes..its a cell phone! lol

*When recieving a phone call it frequently freezes when i "slide to answer" or simply press the talk button

Admittedly I would blame windows mobile for most of these problems, but you simply can NOT sell a functional smart phone with winmo with the hardware specs of the tilt 2.( 288mb of ram/ about 60 - 70% is used my sysem; 528mhz processor)

P.s. sorry if I seem ranty but obviously I've had a lot of bad experiences with smartphones..especially this one
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] didozer:
I know what you mean. Have you tried to flash you tilt 2 yet? I have been using energy's roms and they have a drastic difference. They are much faster and are just a very well built and designed rom. I suggest you try and flash it with a good fast rom and then you will see the phones potential and it may change your mind.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PUTALE:
I agree. Try to flash to the latest ROM. If you do not want to flash unofficial rom, flash the latest official rom you fond on the ROM forum. it totally made me love my tilt 2 because it's so much faster with the new rom.

If you are a bit more adventurous, go with the energy rom. My personal preference with teh speed, feature, is the reference rom or the energy rom reference. The cookie are nice but I feel the y take a bit more resource which will cause the phone to lag, so the reference is what I am using now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mistamikel:
Flash a custom or cook your own, I have had my tilt for a couple of months now and.......

When I fist got it it was slow because of all the bloat ware so I flashed the hell outta it like 3 dif roms a day, Whil e I didnt find one that made me happy I looked into cooking my own which I did and it made a HUGE difference. The speed is great and no freezes, everything I need is working ie office, tcpmp,

s2u2, email, omarket, tons of games, twitter/facebook, skyfire is kick ass, my pics and vids that I take are ok (could be better) battery last 1-2days with wifi on all the time and a bright screen, love my gps (igo8). All in all this has been the best cell that Ive had so far and my last one was an lg incite. If this ***** would only have a 1gz processor it would be perfect........ Did I mention xdandroid ****ing rocks and when its 100% functional I think this cell will be unbeatable in its class.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] :
Had the Expo - Keep the Tilt 2

I had an Expo for a short time. The Expo never made it to the market in my area. So...You had to go online to get any accessories for it.

Pros:

The processor was lightening fast.

Darks ROM was fantastic!

Cons:

The screen is smaller than the Tilt 2. Heck, the whole phone is smaller! (some would consider this a "pro")

The stylus was not integrated into the phone. You had to attach it to the phone with a tether string. Kind of lame imho.

There were all kinds of over-heating & touch screen problems.

:mad:LG customer service is the absolute worst in the world.

I am loving my Tilt2! I don't intend to part with it for a VERY long time! I still haven't flashed a new ROM yet. Even with the stock one, I find this to be the best phone I ever bought. Bar None!

I say...Keep your Tilt2/TP2!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Zambowie:
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[Sable] emmap:
hi all frends

excited to participate in the forum.

I am using HP iPAQ hw6915 WM5.0.

I want to upgrade to WM6.0 or WM6.1

I've searched a lot on forums

but still no results.

you can help me find the room to use compatible

I would like to thank
[Sable] cataioan:
better not try to upgrade, you can brick the hp in a second or two. better use it the way it is. there are not so many programs using wm6 or 6.1. this hp suports skype calls, cool games and a lot more, but it's limited due the screen size 250x250.
[Sable] Lukasnix:
Use search ...

This topic was here so many many times , the reason you couldnt find anything is - there isn't any WM 6 for your PDA , get a new one
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jinjav:
I know that the TP2 come with different kind of sensors (ambient light, proximity, g-sensor) and wonder if we could make the most out of them.

There are lot of programs out there which make use of the g-sensor to rotate screen and so on.

What about the ambient light and proximity sensor? I have not come across any programs using them...

When I drive for example, I listen to music using my TP2. I can't really change the tracks since I am driving. I was thinking may be the proximity

sensor could help...

Eg. 1. Waving the hand in front of the sensor would move to the next track.

2. Leaving the hand in front of the sensor after few seconds would pause the music...

These are just simple ideas and I think many of you guys reading this will come with great ideas (even for the light sensor)....

My point for this post is that does anyone have/or can create API's for these sensors (It would be great if they were in .NET compact, would make life easier for developping apps.)

I am sorry for posting this in the ROM section but I think by posting it there, it will attract the attention of the ROM cooks, who I think would have come across these sensors and might have thought of doing something special with them
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jinjav:
29 views already but no replies.... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] irus:
if you know c# this is everything you need

http://sensorapi.codeplex.com/SourceControl/changeset/view/11841#