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[G1 General] True2TheGame:
How's the on screen keyboard working out? That's the only thing that has me concerned really. Also have you run into any Forced close issues?

Thanks for the info.
[G1 General] mr_notorious:
On screen keyboard is better than the g1/mt3g, mostly because of the bigger screen size. But I still prefer a physical keyboard from my G1. Then again, it's a small price to pay for the Nexus awesomeness.

As for the FC, I did have a couple from some apps from the market, but mostly likely that those apps are not 100% compatible to Flan yet. However, no FC from the native apps to report.

But I can report that the battery life is like 3 times better than the G1!!!
[G1 General] Ace42:
Could someone please leak the Splash screen from the nexus??
[G1 General] True2TheGame:
Thanks for the reply, holy crap at the battery life being 3 times the g1, i'm sold. I really hope it does come out Jan. 5th like reports said.
[G1 General] marty22877:
so mr_notorious, have you gotten used to the on screen keyboard? i've been trying it on my g1 and i hate it, i need a physical keyboard. what would be sweet is if they made this phone with a keyboard
[G1 General] tuffCookie:
Google Phone / Nexus One specs

as reported by Engadget.

here are some highlighted specs:

1 GHz Snapdragon CPU

Android 2.1

11.5 mm thick

512 MB RAM

512 MB ROM

4GB microSD in-box, expandable to 32GB

5 MP camera w/ mechanical AF and LED flash

HSPA 900 / 1700 / 2100, 7.2 Mbps down and 2 Mbps up (which means T-Mobile 3G, no AT&T 3G)

3.7 inch WVGA AMOLED display

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/23/exclusive-nexus-one-full-specs-detailed-invite-only-retail-sal/

mr notorious, are you able to confirm the 512 MB RAM amount? or do u still have to keep everything on the down low...
[G1 General] uansari1:
Engadget's also reporting that the phone will initially be sold by invite only. :(

Oh well... I can probably talk T-mo into giving me a discount off the phone much easier if it isn't brand new to the market, since I've been off contract since Jan. 2009 and have been with them for 8 years.
[G1 General] JAguirre1231:
Probably T-Mo is pretty good to its older subscribers, I know they give discounts to me all the time just so I stay with them- so far I'm pretty happy with them
[G1 General] Fernanernie:
Having played with one of these phones for the better part of the day, I can assure you that if need be, I will kill someone for this. Dimensions wise, it's the same as the G1 except about as thick as the slide out screen portion. Weight is still about the same. The screen is amazingly bright and crisp (OLED), and batterylife is indeed at least double the G1.

Things I like:

Screen beauty

Size

Dedicated Headphone port

Camera has a FLASH!!!!

It's fast

Pure sleek sex

Dislikes:

No physical keyboard

Navigation face buttons aren't actual buttons

Wish the camera auto focus was faster (still the same speed as G1)

So far no Multi-Touch support

That being said, I'll probably still keep my G1 around if I wanna use physical keyboard or spare, But you bet your ass as soon as I can get my hands on the Nexus One, I will do so. This phone will be an iPhone killer
[G1 General] OrganizedFellow:
So far the rumored date is January 5.

Rumor also states that Developers will get it first, or it's by invites only?!

SOOO ... that brings to question, WHEN will it be sold to American Consumers?!

Anyone hear about that yet?
[G1 General] mmafighter077:
I just spoke to my Google cousin in-law today... He says they will probably make different types of the nexus one for the different carriers (Kind of like the touch pro 2). He said its doesn't seem like it would not be by invite because that would be kind of difficult. He wasn't too sure on all of the details because he doesn't work on android.

I actually used the nexus one today (because he had it) and I noticed when you are sliding through the home screens its kind of jumpy and not smooth like you would think a 1 ghz phone would be. It didnt have too many things on his home screen... Hopefully and update will fix that. Other than this the phone was beautiful.
[G1 General] uansari1:
Has anyone heard anything about upcoming phones with the Nvidia Tegra chip? I remember hearing that it was superior to the Snapdragon... correct me if I'm wrong there. Anyway, I'm just curious.
[G1 General] tchybrid:
i doubt the tegra chipset will be seen for about another year or so, Nvidia is still in development phase, i personally can't wait for the N1 to be released and i'm hoping it isn't invite only. i would like a upgrade from my G1, as much as i love my G1, i'm loving what i've seen with the N1, minus the no physical keyboard. but like everyone else has said, i can live without it =)
[G1 General] TurboTsi:
You know, I read the same thing (I think on engadget Droid review) where they said the same thing. It wasn't very smooth sliding in the home screens.

Do you mean they don't have the tegra chip ready to be used with a cell radio? Because that tegra is what is powering the Zune HD
[G1 General] hellfenix:
From the videos, the app screen seems to be jumpy after fast scrolling like the Iphone does. I'm pretty sure that is by design.
[G1 General] xManMythLegend:
http://androidandme.com/2009/12/phones/nexus-one-530-unlocked-180-with-t-mobile/

For those interested.

530 unlocked

180$ through Tmo but HEAVILY restricted.

Massive fail by Google.
[G1 General] marty22877:
i'm going to wait for a physical keyboard, i've been trying the on screen one and it just sucks
[G1 General] uansari1:
I have serious doubts that T-mo will cripple the ability to make more money by restricting people to their cheapest plan.

Regardless, I've crunched the numbers. If I buy the phone unsubsidized and switch to the 1000 minute EM+ in order to finance the phone, my total outlay over 24 months would boil down to a $6.28 difference from what it would theoretically cost if I bought the phone unsubbed and kept my current plan.

If I switched to EM and signed a 2 year contract, then I'd pay $1.82 LESS a month over buying the phone unsubbed and keeping my current plan. This would optimal, assuming they let me buy the 1000 minute per month plan.

Looks like I'm getting a new phone. ;)

Edit: I just had another thought... the unsubsidized price of this is pretty much the same as a new Nokia N900. I'm not feeling the resistive touchscreen, and I'm a huge HTC fan, but just thought I'd throw that out there.
[G1 General] Renarudo:
WALL OF TEXT EXPLAINING MY TAKE ON TMO CELL PHONE SERVICE PACKAGES

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I'm on the Even More Plus Family plan, so I'm going to subsidize the phone over 20 months at $26.50 extra a month, lol. Maybe not for that long - I'll probably pay it all off after a couple of months - but it's nice to have the option.

Some quick math for everyone, the plan and the discount means that over 2 years, you are locked into paying $2100 dollars over the lifetime of the contract, GUARANTEED.

With Even More Plus, you still pay the $80 a month, you don't get the discounted price (paying $530 as opposed to the $180), but you get the option to spread out payments on the hardware over 20 months. The downside is that it's a $35 fee to switch.

For 12 months, the price of the phone with the $80 EM+ contract is $1525 before taxes ($530 + $35 + $80/m).

Compare this to the EM plan which is $1140 over the same time period before taxes ($180 + $80/m).

Furthermore, the EM+ Option reaches $2085 after 19 months as opposed to 24. Therefore, the EM+ plan is more expensive initially, but gives the option to always upgrade at a moment's notice.

The way I see it, if a new phone comes out a year and a half from now with a 1.5GHz processor and Android 3.0, I'm not stuck with 6 months on a contract with an ailing phone.

EM+ is definitely much more expensive). The ONLY real benefit (that I see) is flexibility. EM+ does not lock you down month to month at the expense of paying full price.

I'm saying this because I got the G1 when it first came out. I love the community and the support and all, but my phone is showing its age. Also, there are new-fangled Android Toys coming out, and the G1 can't keep up. In fact, it even takes a huge work-around and additions like Class 6 SD cards to run something like Sense UI, which came out half a year ago.

Also, after a year (but before the two years is up), TMO gives "partial upgrades", and the highest I've seen those go is $90 (IF EVEN!!!!).

EM+ isn't for everyone though, especially those people who upgrade their phones every 2.5 - 3 years.

Think about it.
[G1 General] uansari1:
Unfortunately, your math is totally off. Here's why. The price of a EM+ plan with 500 mins and unlim. text and data is $59.99. A comparable EM plan is $79.99 per month (as stated in the Nexus One ad).

Over the course of 24 months, EM+ will cost roughly $1440. Plus $35 to switch (though I bet most existing customers can have this waived if they're off contract) and $530 for the phone equals $2,005.

Over the course of 24 months, EM will cost roughly $1920. Plus $180 for the phone equals $2,100.

Therefore, ceterus paribus, you always save money with EM+...even more if you get the switching fee waived. That said, IF you're eligible for a corporate or student discount (I get 15% off my bill), then the EM plan can end up MUCH CHEAPER. At a 15% discount, the EM plan plus the phone would run $1,812 over the life of the contract.
[G1 General] Alleviate:
Well I'm on a family plan already so I think it would be cheaper to just buy the phone full price and keep my current family plan (4 people on this plan)... right? And I'm only a teen so my parents pay the bill, haha.
[G1 General] Renarudo:
According to the article here, the EM plan being offered is the 1000 minute $40 plan.

So I don't disagree with your numbers, but we were looking at different plans. My mother is the one that pays the bill, so my student discount doesn't apply, but kudos to you for nabbing the 15%, cause that is HUGE and I'm pretty jealous, lol.

The only part I disagree with is this, because in the Nexus ad, they describe the pricing plan as being based off the EM 1000 minute plan.

The EM+ plan of equivalent minutes is $70. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I think we were both comparing different things, so we came up with different numbers.
[G1 General] brummiesteven:
I don't think that the webpage with the phone and details etc is real tbh.
[G1 General] uansari1:
Nope, you're totally wrong. Read the Nexus ad itself. They specifically state that the plan is the 500 minute EM plan (contract plan). That means it's $39.99 for the 500 minutes, plus unlimited data for an additional $30 and $10 for unlimited texts, brings the total to the advertised $79.99.

The comparable EM+ plan is 59.99 on the T-mobile link you posted.
[G1 General] Renarudo:
You are indeed correct, sir.
[G1 General] wagz:
What to do, what to do...

On one hand we have no keyboard which kills my productivity. On the other hand "1ghz".....need I say more.

Since it will be google direct, will it support tethering?
[G1 General] uansari1:
Yes, because it's rooted already.
[G1 General] marty22877:
you're hosed if you want this at the discount, if you got the g1 when it came out you cant get an upgrade till august. it sucks
[G1 General] engagedtosmile:
Yeah I was looking forward to getting this but since I got the G1, I would have to pay for the full price. By the time I am eligible for an upgrade, there will be better phones out. Seems like I will be missing out on the Nexus One.
[G1 General] mZimm:
It turns out that the rumors and leaked pages were real, the Nexus One was released today and it is true that the only way to get the phone subsidized is by signing up for a 500 min, unlimited text and internet plan for $80/month.

www.google.com/phones
[G1 General] uansari1:
Yes... but then you can call T-mo up right after ordering and tell them you want a plan with more minutes. I confirmed this an hour ago.
[G1 General] marty22877:
how did you get around the 22 month upgrade?
[G1 General] uansari1:
I've been off contract since January of last year.
[G1 General] Renarudo:
That's what I'd call #epicwin

Did you guys know that TMobile is the ONLY carrier in the USA to offer Unlimited Data? Sprint, ATnT and Verizon cap at 5GB/m

Can anyone find out their data usage for comparison's sake? (I'm pretty sure it shows up on the bill, but I'm hoping to dig through the website interface to see if I can pull it up).

Edit:

After logging in on www.t-mobile.com, go to [Manage] > [Billing & Payments].

Looks like all I've used is 568 MBs. I need to do more to clog the tubes.
[G1 General] OrganizedFellow:
Awesome!

So THAT'S where it's at!?

I checked, and I'm at 457MBs.

However my messaging in steadily increasing. Last month = 2,400; now I'm at 3,700.

WOW!
[G1 General] Renarudo:
That means I'm not doing my thumbs a good enough service!

Well I'm experimenting with switching Primarily to GVoice for texting, so I'm guessing that the number of Texts I send/receive will be at 0 shortly, according to TMo, lol.

If it's true that a GVoice text doesn't count as a text message (disabling the feature that pushes text messages to your phone), then hopefully I can remove text messages entirely from my plan and save like $10/mo
[G1 General] OrganizedFellow:
$10?

Mine is $20 :(
[G1 General] Renarudo:
I'm on Even More Plus as opposed to EM + Additional Packages.

True, on the NEW contracts, Data is like +30 no matter the device, and Texting is $20 for Family Plans.

But EMP is cheaper than EM + Data + Texting.
[G1 General] CLLC:
Does anyone know exactly How much it will cost to purchase it from Google for the UK? Including any taxes etc?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] pkadare:
Hi all,

I'm really hoping someone can help me with this. I've just gotten Destinator 9 and am having a problem that I'll describe. I've tried 3 or 4 of NRG's ROMs with the same result on all of them but have not tried with the default AT&T ROM.

Destinator installs correctly however, every 3 seconds a "Symbols" screen (see screen shots attached) appears that covers up nearly the entire screen which makes a GPS app kind of hard to use.

Ideally, I'd like a permanent fix, but I'd also be willing to try renaming or deleting whatever executable is running that is displaying the "Symbols" screen.

Any ideas?

Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] pkadare:
Just to close the loop on this I'd sent the Destinator support folks a note about the issue and they've provided me with a fix that solves the problem. Apparently the fix is supposed to be integrated into a new release that should be up on their store later this week or next week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] dunkeljoanito:
dou you have the fix file? I have the same issue.. Tnks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] dancer_69:
I have this issue too.

Please upload the fix.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] avgoustisp:
Same here.Any help?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] carlosehr:
New Rom show the problem

Sorry for my english.

I have HTC HD2 and after update rom from 1.48 to 1.61 appear symbol.

Any solucion?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] rive78:
I have the same issue in HTC Diamond 2 (topaz) WM6.5

Please upload the fix.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] irkan:
Why do not you contact the Destinator*9 Customer Service?

It is not always something wrong with the Rhodium this problem probably with app itself
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] BigwaveMx:
Yeah, this thing hapends to me too. Even when I close the app. Hope you can share the fix. Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] pkadare:
For all those asking for me to post the fix, I'm not going to do so. If you've got a legit copy of Destinator and are hitting this problem, then contact Destinator support and they will hook you up. If you don't have a legit copy, well then I can't help you out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] youtashiro:
Uhh!!! What a bad guy!! :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] pkadare:
Wow, if I really cared about what some anonymous dickwad on the Internet thought about me... well, I don't care, so never mind.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] rk73:
Whats the point mentioning you got the fix if you wont care to help others, ok you are afraid to be a pirate helper.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] pkadare:
To let people know that a fix is available from the vendor.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] jorgemorfin:
I propose to disregard pkadare problems and comments. Saying that there is a fix available with the vendor instead of posting it, is not very helpful. Someday you will need a file or help, hope you dont get it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] pkadare:
Knock yourself out sport. I happen to own my software.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] jdcesari:
solution

hi

i have the solution

in fact it is a keyboard issue

install another keyboard ( i installed taptap keyboard)

also install the destinator loader

switch to this keyboard before launching destinator loader and you wont have anymore symbols
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] xcoyote:
Thank you, was the solution, installs Swype, and now works fine.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] bestfan:
if you dont use official rom, customer service will tell you it is your rom's problem..it is not their business

so, change other roms, or change GPS software
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] big-lebowski:
Hi

I have never owned a HTC phone, or any other Windows Mobile phone for that matter, but have just ordered one and after looking around this site I am looking forward to its arrival.

Basically, I had a Nokia 5800 XpressMusic Smartphone but I didn't really like having a completley touchscreen phone and so I sold it and went looking for a simple, solid phone with a QWERTY keyboard - this is when I came across the HTC TyTn (or in my case the SPV M3100 - but I gather they are pretty much identical)

Anyway, after looking in various places over the internet, I have become rather excited about the idea of tweaking my phone to suit my needs. I saw this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H82qOZAufQo

Which shows a very cool layout on the phone. I was wondering if anybody knew where I could find this ROM? Also, I would like a ROM which is quite quick and simple, yet still looks nice - anybody have any suggestions?

Finally, if anybody has any suggestions of cool/useful must have applications for a beginner, please post them here too!

Thankyou for the help this site has given me

Regards
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] + Que PPC:
Ok first of all as it must be i recomend my roms...

and then my partners rom right here go and take a look at the pics preview in every Rom thread... but before you flash your first custom rom remember!!! you must to!!!!! unlock your phone by HardSPL!!!!!!

Then you can come here and take a look at the market place jejeje everything is free... :cool: read carefully the unlocking process and be care! basically you will need a full battery charged, no SIM and NO Storage card... Windows XP a good USB cable and patience for somuch reading and asking!!

Recomended if your phone has SPL 1.04 or 1.10 or 1.40 perforn the HSPL v7 from olipro...

BTW the OS in the video is WM6.1 with Touchflo manilla2D and old version of course.... there are newer...

Welcome to the WINMO world!!!
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] big-lebowski:
Thanks for the reply :) I will continue to keep reading around and if I have any problems in the process I will post into this thread :)

Which of your ROMS would you reccommend for a fast loading Operating System that still looks aesthetically pleasing?

Also, do you have any tips for conserving battery life? I think this phone looks amazing for the low price I paid, but it is a considerably old phone (nearly four years!) so I am slightly concerned.

Thanks again for the help
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] + Que PPC:
Battery life is a xtrange behaivour on every windows mobile 6.5 sometimes it is good sometime it sucks your batt so fast but the only way you can say this is the right Good rom for me is trying all one by one maybe one is the one that likes you! enjoy and happy Unlocking and flashing times ;)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] keenan316:
I got mine a week ago and came here in hopes to find the knowledge and tools to get my Vario II looking sleek and modern.

First thing to do is read, read, read and know what everything refers to..

As I understand it, there are basicly 3 parts of the phone that can and probably needs to be updated..

* HardSPL

* The Rom of your choice

* The Radio version

All of these things are very easy if you follow the guides.

Start with HardSPL

http://www.mrvanx.org/thg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=16&Itemid=26

After doing that, the hardest part is finding the rom that best suits you.

You've already pointed out that you like the touchflo style interface with manilla2D

This is a very nice rom, it's fast, easy to use and you can pretty much use your thumb for everything.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=599474

There are 3 versions, you want this one.. Manilla 21877 3g

Now, while downloading, read this guide..

http://www.mrvanx.org/thg/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=17&Itemid=26

That should be all the info you need, good luck :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] big-lebowski:
Wow.. thanks a lot for the help :) This is a very friendly forum! Could you please quickly elaborate on the advantages of changing the "radio version"?

Also, the ROM you linked me to looks nice, but I don't really like the menu layout (where you can see 'Today' 'Settings' 'Connections' etc.) are there any alternatives or can they be changed?

Thanks again
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] keenan316:
Dont worry too much about the radio, you should be fine...

Go through the section and look at the screenshots of the roms, remember, the one you saw on youtube is based on the older windows mobile 6.1 and there's only a handfull of manilla2s roms based on windows mobile 6.5

Take your time and you through all of them befor you decide

Like you said, the tytn is an older phone and with loaded roms the amount of memory does seem to be problematic..

No rom will be exactly the way you want it, I have probably flashed more then 10 different roms.. Do that and you'll probably find what it is you're looking for!

Have fun and dont hesitate to ask :)
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] veyka:
In general the less flashy it looks, the faster it will be, and the better the battery life will be.

Ontop of that some cores are better optimised than others, so far it looks like the 23XXX WM6.5.X builds seem to be okeys, should get at least 1 day out of it, again it all depends on the rom youy chose and what you do with it.

Edit: Also, the radio rom you flash is general very important for battery life, and newer =! better with radio roms, I think theres a pretty good guide and list of where radios have been tested on the wiki page.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] ultramag69:
Just be careful flashing the Radio Rom though, a mistake or accident means you won't be making or receiving any calls/mms/sms ever again.

I tend to use the sd card method for flashing radios as it minimizes the chance of the PC stuffing up....

Make sure you have Hard SPL V3 installed before any flashing though...

Cheers...:D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] jiggygeek:
windows 7

I have Windows 7. Can I still flash my phone with it? Has anyone had any problems?

You say that first I have to run the HardSPL, which unlocks my phone? My phone is with ATT. Will I have to go and put back the ATT settings so I can send messages, etc?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam ROM Development] MindphaserXY:
I have been flashing with Windows 7 Ultimate 32-Bit with no issues. I have an AT&T branded 8525 and did the HardSPL flash from SD card with no issues.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=296722&page=116#1160

Use this method to flash V7. IMO it's the safest and most reliable method. If you are still running stock WM5.0 on your 8525 I feel bad for you. :p