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[HD2 General] sunking101:
I've used it for around 2 weeks now and the keyboard is horrendous. There are certain features that I absolutely love - the screen for one, internet browsing, the decent You Tube app and internet sharing but the basic features of a mobile phone seem to have been forgotten by HTC. This phone is awful for calls (terribly loud even on the lowest volume setting and distorted, crackly audio), awful for texting (nasty keyboard, delays with SMS sending and receiving, plus occasionally texts going to the wrong person!!!) and the calendar is poor. The camera is ok in my book, as is the size of the device. It's just the basics it gets wrong and ultimately they're the most important for most users.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Fair enough mate. I personally, have had zero issues with call quality or texting. Sometimes a hard reset can fix those issues =p

The keyboard simply need getting used to.
[HD2 General] mec1234:
To be honest I smell a rat here, I have had an HD2 now for about 4 week and it has been fine in fact it’s the best phone I have ever used. No problems at all.

I followed the HD2 for months on loads of forums and there seems to be a small but very vocal number of people going on about how god awful the phone is, how is has major problems and is a waste of time and money. Most of these posters are new to the forums that they post in and almost seem to have joined to have a go at the HD2. (sunking101 Join Date: Nov 2009)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=583618

Now I know it’s not perfect and will have faults but to be honest I have seem this so often that I am starting to think it’s a campaign to put people off the HD2. This story seem to me to be more of the same, I find it hard to believe that Vodafone would go the trouble to test and clear the phone for it network only to stock it for what two weeks?
[HD2 General] jakem:
Two weeks and we've all had to put up with your trolling every step of the way. Given that nobody else seems to be suffering from all the problems that you are it's pretty safe to assume that you are the problem, not the phone. I'd recommend that you replace your HD2 with something simple like a Motorola RAZR that you won't find too confusing.
[HD2 General] Isadora:
Hmmm actually just noticed the bit that says "general consumer sales" so it could be that it's going to be for business sales only?
[HD2 General] mndl632:
No doubt the iphone will sell quite well when it does come out on vodafone but in the store i work at for o2 we've had more people over the last couple of weeks ask about the hd2 then any other phone, so vodafone could lose quite a few customers who wanted the hd2 over an iphone as a result of this decision
[HD2 General] cMMY69:
It's the best phone I've had. I chose it over the Samsung Omnia II and HD. Because I no longer rate Vodafone as a competant organsation for supporting devices I bought an unlocked phone from an online reseller and use my Voda SIM. No issues with ROM updates and hotfixes direct from HTC and a good quality connectivity service from Vodafone. It's obviously the expensive route but IMHO Vodafone do not support handsets approriately.

Regards.
[HD2 General] comeradealexi:
Can any one explain to my why the hell Vodafone would want to stop selling the HD2 since it is clearly demanded by the consumer and an amazing phone
[HD2 General] htc12345:
perhaps because the amount of profit they get from the sales of the HD2 are lower than the profit on other phones.
[HD2 General] MaskedMagi:
I spoke to Vodafone customer services today and they are shipping me out a replacement HD2 in the next few days. I think she said they still have a few left, probably for replacement purposes?
[HD2 General] xenept:
It's clearly a business decision. I suppose they don't want to support so many phones especially as they like to tamper with them once they hold of them.

It's a ridiculous decision though. Anyone who has seen a HD2 wants one.

It's their loss. I'm sure they'll sell a shedload of iphones to the sheep ;)
[HD2 General] comeradealexi:
so does any one know where i can get one on contract now then? since vodafone had exclusivity didnt they?
[HD2 General] mndl632:
vodafone didn't have it on exclusive, if you still want it on vodafone i think you can still get it through a third party like mobilephonesdirect, otherwise you can get it directly through O2 and T-Mobile, provided they have them in stock at the moment.
[HD2 General] GaZ:
it is still available on vodafone, but only to business customers.

http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/Details-Phone-HTC-HD2-3120.html

But it's very easy to get a business contract, just say you're a sole trader and make up a company name, that's how I got my Touch Pro :P
[HD2 General] DaveShaw:
I have a TP2 on Voda Business, just used my Name as the Company name, easy as pie ;)

Dave
[HD2 General] comeradealexi:
My Business: eBay - easy as pie!

and i didnt see it on o2? :S i'll look again

edit: nope - o2 dont sell any HTC devices >.<
[HD2 General] mndl632:
if you're looking on the o2 website, don't bother, they are very poor when it comes to updating the site with all the latest phones they have. You're best off going to one of the stores to get it.
[HD2 General] comeradealexi:
Jeese this is the year 2010 - the modern day and massive companies are just so... how can i put it really? Its just so poor!
[HD2 General] eaglesteve:
Looks like Vodafone is doing very well with iPhone.

It shippped out 50,000 iPhones on just the first day alone.

http://www.macworld.co.uk/ipod-itunes/news/index.cfm?newsid=28319

I thought people must be crazy to still buy the 3GS now, given that the 4th generation iPhone (rumoured to have 5MP camera, Cortex A9 dual processor, SGX545 GPU, 64GB storage, doubled screen resolution, multitouch body similar to magic mouse, etc) could be available as early as April or May this year.

To put in perspective, Nexus One sold only 20,000 in the first week.

No idea how well Leo is selling. Anyone knows? If it is really good I guess HTC and MS would be boosting about it, no?
[HD2 General] ukjeeper:
Can't answer for the high street/general consumer end, but we (the company i work at) are ordering them in for users and they are readily available.

Bonus for me is that, as the company 'phone support guy', i get to hang onto all the new stuff for a while.... :cool:
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I only heard that HTC could not keep up with the demand from providers and retailers. It sold out almost everywhere and there was no stock for two months, only fulfilling preorders. But I don't know how many they produced.
[HD2 General] tzangPro:
The HD2 demand had been high and initial batches were pretty much sold out from just pre-orders alone... that said, I don't ever recall sufficient units being shipped to satisfy all pre-orders either.

At least business customers of Vodafone will enjoy full access to HD2 :cool: Vodafone is only pulling out from the home consumer market for rather obvious reasons.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
LOL. Loads of people suffer nearly every problem I've listed, the only one I haven't seen listed before is the texts occasionally going to the wrong person. How that can be my fault I don't know!

Trolling??? I have entered threads praising the phone and also threads being more negative about certain aspects. That is what forums like these are here for. I originally came here to search for solutions to my problems. Idiot.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Idiot. I joined to find solutions to the problems I am experiencing with the HD2! If all was well with the handset I would never have joined-up! There are a small contigent of mindless fanboys on this site who do my head in. The HD2 has some very real problems. Get a grip.
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
i think you might be right... if u read through the thread on vodafone forums (and the ****storm it has become) other users have come to the same conclusion.

(posted from my vodafone supplied hd2 lol ;-p )
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
To be fair mate... i think its you that needs to get a grip.

You also need to rephrase what you are saying. This is what is probably pissing people off. Its not THE hd2 that has issues.... its YOUR hd2 that has issues.

This has been said time and time again. You will see a **** load of threads on all the forums posted by people who have problems with their device. This is because that is what users who have problems do... they go looking for advice. Just like you have done.

However.... regular forum goers get pissed off when people like yourself go around bad mouthing products based on your own sole experience with it. There are MANY people who have HD2's without ANY issues whatsoever..... these people arent going to come onto forums to post about how great their devices are. Therefore it would seem to an average punter that this device is riddled with issues when for most users it basically isnt.

Generalising your own issues and assuming that EVERYONE has the same is extremely bad form.
[HD2 General] jakem:
Loads of people? I've seen maybe two or three people who agree that they have SOME of the problems that you have but nobody else has as many problems or complaints as you do. How many people do you think there are out there who, like me, haven't experienced any of your "problems".

You're making so much noise whining and complaining and can be guaranteed to turn up in threads like this to claim that the HD2 is fundamentally flawed. That's trolling.

For the last time, just return your phone because if complaining was likely to fix it then yours would be well and truly fixed by now.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
So why is my second, replacement HD2 exactly the same? And my buddies at work can't stand theirs either!!! It's only a few internet strangers who seem to think the HD2 is brilliant and has no problems.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Yes and people like you are *guaranteed* to dive into threads slagging-off their pride & joy and aggressively defend it to the death. I am on my second HD2 and it has ALL the issues of the first. Every last one of them. Now either you seem to have landed some mystical batch of perfect handsets or you're just such a fanboy that you can put up with SMS problems and call problems. I cannot. Have you seen me once joining into the pink camera threads? No because it is of no consequence to me. I actually think the camera is fine for what it is. The SMS problems are NOT fine and the call quality is NOT fine. End of.

*EDIT - Have you seen the SMS bug thread? It is 38 pages long!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=584696

Have you seen the Call Quality thread? It is 10 pages long!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=588925

Oh and 27 people think the call quality is the best ever and 27 people think it to be the worst ever! So hardly a glowing tribute!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=591011

Two or three people complaining lol.
[HD2 General] maati:
@sunking101

IF anyone here is an idiot, it's you, and only you.

Sure, there are some problems that some HD2's have. The SMS problem is definitely there. But it can be fixed easily by the user and it will be fixed officially within the next few days. It's really a small thing.

On the other hand, however, other phones have MUCH MUCH greater issues. And what's even worse: Some of the other phones' issues are by design!

Take the iPhone, for example: It doesn't let you see info on the homescreen, it doesn't let you multitask, it doesn't let you sync without the crappy iTunes software and so on... THOSE are REALLY BIG PROBLEMS and you can't do anything about them. The small bugs of the HD2 that can and will be fixed easily is really not worth talking about when you consider those HUGE problems that other phones have.

You are complaining about SMALL issues and/or issues that are just hardware faults of YOUR phone. It's perfectly okay to complain when there are issues - BUT it's not okay what you are doing, because

- you claim that other phones are better, which is nothing but a big fat lie: the HD2 has much higher quality hardware than any other phone and other phones have much more serious software issues (just google/bing droid issues, satio issues, iphone issues, storm issues or whatever phone issues, you'll find much more serious ones than those small problems of the HD2 that will soon all be fixed anyway)

- besides the small software problems, the other issues you have are only hardware faults of YOUR phone - bad luck, but it's stupid to say the HD2 is bad just because yours is faulty - hardware faults can and will always occur, but compared to other phones, the HD2 has even better quality
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Are you going to hijack every freaking thread in this forum with this stuff?
[HD2 General] maati:
Yes, cause he's a stupid troll.
[HD2 General] ahaaee:
It's very well said. HD2 is my first HTC WinMo phone and it's simply the best all round smartphone on the planet. This forum has been great helping me solving all those small issues and the point is that for every issue I had so far there's always a fix just round the corner. Just need a cool head for it. If you don't like it, just sell it and buy a phone that's suitable for your own comfort zone. At the end, it's the market decides the fortune of a company. That's why HTC's been around for a long time and is going stronger by the day. iPhone is great but for me HD2 let me do more by providing the freedom to so so. It's all about pushing the boundary.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
You people really don't get it do you. Multitasking, big screens, having info on the homescreen is NOTHING compared to not being able to SMS properly and not having decent call quality. These are *essentials* for any mobile phone. Get the basics wrong and all the other bells & whistles don't matter.

TWO HD2s I have owned have been faulty, along with lots of peoples' on this forum. Open your eyes man.

As for the SMS problem being easily fixed by the user....NO IT CAN'T. It cannot be fixed. The so called 'tweak' doesn't work very well, I have tried it and countless others have tried it to no effect. I have lived on this forum for 10 days and wasted hours of my life trying to fix the problems on this handset. They are rife.
[HD2 General] maati:
It's you who doesn't get it. No multitasking, iTues etc., those are HUUUUUGE issues!

The SMS bug is not, because it can be fixed easily. If you're too stupid to do so (and I guess you are) then get youself a Moto RAZR or something... but stop trolling here!

Two HD2's have been faulty... lol what's that compared to 100000 HD2's that work perfectly and have the highest build quality ever on a mobile phone? Nothing... bad luck that you got the two faulty ones, but that doesn't give you the right to spam the forum!
[HD2 General] sunking101:
This is a thread stating that Vodafone are pulling the handset. I was just throwing in my reasoning behind it. The phone sucks for the majority of 'regular' users. Everyone I know who has bought it returned it. I have persevered. This is a phone for only the most hardened HTC fanboy. It does not work properly and unless a hotfix for the SMS and call volume/distortion problems comes out real soon, I will be returning my second HD2 for another brand.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
There is NO FIX yet for the SMS bug. I have investigated the so-called fix and it doesn't stop the problem.
[HD2 General] maati:
Just use WM messaging.

Anyway, I'm gonna ignore you stupid troll. You're ridiculous, it's a shame that stupid people like you even have enough money to buy an HD2... you've hijacked enough threads already...
[HD2 General] petexx:
Guys sorry for a bit OT but you have mentioned pink ring camera problem. Is this a software issue, or maybe a hardware issue and requires handset replacement? I'm a bit nervous now since I've been waiting for my vodafone HD2 to be delivered.

Cheers

//edit

Sorry my wrong... didn't realize there is already a post about hotfix... my wrong
[HD2 General] maati:
There's many threads about that. You really should've asked there.

Nevertheless, I can answer here: It's both hardware and software.

It's a hardware 'problem' (putting this in '' because it's by design) that is present on several different phones (Moto Droid, Samsung i8000, iPhone....) but because of the software on the HD2, the problem was more noteceable there.

Now there is a fix which reduces the pink tint. It's not entirely gone but reduces to a degree where it's not disturbing at all (not even noticeable at all unless you take a picture of a white surface). In my opinion, it's nothing to worry about now that the fix is available, because aside from the pink tint (that's been fixed/reduced), the camera is really great (for a smartphone, of course you can't put a high end camera into an 11mm thin case, but the HD2 has one of the best cameras in its class).
[HD2 General] Qoroite:
Perhaps you could follow their example and leave us in peace; obviously you're more suited to a less advanced phone.

It's my second WM phone(had an X1 previously), been using it for a few weeks and I don't see any of the issues that you're raising.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
My problems aren't due to the phone being too 'advanced' for me, more that it's too backward. It can't handle basic SMS duties properly and the call volume software is buggy - you have to turn it up and then down in every single call in order to lower the volume....even when the volume is showing to be as low as it will go. This is a recognised fault, read the forum you patronising fool.
[HD2 General] hdbueller:
Dude....get a life and get yourself an iPhone....it is more to your speed.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Why, because it works?
[HD2 General] jakem:
So we agree, you are the problem. Now can you just buy that old RAZR and stop spamming this forum.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Have you seen the SMS bug thread? It is 38 pages long!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=584696

Have you seen the Call Quality thread? It is 10 pages long!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=588925

Oh and 27 people think the call quality is the best ever and 27 people think it to be the worst ever! So hardly a glowing tribute!

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=591011

YAWN :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] maati:
No, not because it works - it has lots of flaws as well (actually a lot more).

Because it's idiot-proof - that makes it the right thing for you.

EDIT: Well, maybe not idiot-proof enough. I imagine someone as stupid as you would jailbreak it, put lots of crap on it and then complain that it's unstable... oh, and have you heard of the micro cracks affecting every iPhone? That's what I call quality :D

I don't care what phone you buy, as long as you stop spamming this forum. Actually, I can even laugh at you then because I know I'll have the better phone once you replace your HD2 with something else ;)
[HD2 General] Lennart88:
Was checking out the title, and wanted to figure out why.

Guess what I'm seeing. Another nice flame war about this phone and the iPhone :)
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Deary me, you fanboys really are circling 'round for the kill aren't you? The HD2 has/had the potential to be a truly great phone, the kind of phone you guys bizarrely reckon it is....but as things stand it needs some URGENT hotfixes or it's just NOT a viable business phone. At all. Do you just play with yours, surf the net and things like that? If so then I'm sure it's a fantastic phone because in my mind that's all it's good for at the moment. Saying that I need a simple phone when I'm actually someone who uses all the features lol, you obviously don't or you would have come across these faults. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] hdbueller:
Thanks Maati.....I couldn't have said it better!

BTW Sunking, ALL new hardware has "issues" when they are first released...ALL OF THEM! if you spent even half the time researching and fixing your "issues" that you have spent here *****ing about it, you would have a much better phone for your efforts! So either sell it or just shut up!!!
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Not from me mate, I have never owned an iPhone and I actually DO own an HD2. It's just that I'm not a fanboy, if something doesn't work then I will slate it....even if I actually own it. I mean, who is better placed to do so? Too many people buy things and then defend them to the death, just because they own it. Pathetic really. I will jump to the HD2's defence where valid but I'm afraid it has some massive faults which prevent me from waxing lyrical about it. Sorry to disappoint.
[HD2 General] maati:
@sunking101

We are not fanboys. We respect other people's opinions - as long as they don't behave like trolls (i.e. you).

We don't deny that there ARE problems. It's just the WE realize that there is no perfect phone, every phone has its problems and thus WE use our brains to think about which problems are serious, compare the problems of different phones and how to fix given problems instead of trolling around like you.

I you consider the problems other phones have, then there's really nothing serious wrong with the HD2. The camera is already fixed, SMS bug will be fixed within a few days for those who haven't already fixed it themselves and the hardware issues are isolated cases, while in general the HD2 has much better build quality than most other phones.

It sure is okay to complain about issues. But what you are doing here is just ridiculous:
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Um, you've just highlighted your own daft quote. I didn't type any of that.
[HD2 General] maati:
I usually don't use those abbreviations but...

...roflmao :D

(try to figure out why, and what that colon is for :D)
[HD2 General] shirreer:
I just pointed this out in another thread. There DOES seem to be a smear-campaign going on for both the HD2 and Windows Mobile. In truth, I do know of several people whose primary profession is to perpetuate Internet propaganda, especially in forums, blogs, and review sites. So, as I stated earlier, this seems to be the case here.... genuine XDA member have never been rallied and engaged in mass, uniform complaining about WinMo and HTC as they do now.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Go take your medication boys. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] maati:
@shirreer

sunking101 is not part of any campaign I think. He's just a stupid troll who is unable to use his brain before opening useless complaint threads for no good reason (because easily fixable small software errors and isolated cases of harware errors are no reasons - and his complaint thread is useless because it's just been created for the sake of whining, which doesn't help anyone).

At least I think that he's only a troll... maybe I'm wrong and it's really a campaign, there's already one more of those threads, again only for the sake of whining, this time for no reason at all...
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I shouldn't have to do this and wouldn't normally but frankly I have nothing better to do right now. :rolleyes:

Read 'em and weep, you can tell now that I'm just a disgruntled OWNER!
[HD2 General] maati:
Well, I guess someone who's not even able to read can't be happy with a device as complex as the HD2...

Now YOU quoted the wrong one...

I never said that you were not an HD2 owner... but you're a troll.

Sorry but arguing with a troll is pointless... especially when that troll is not even able to read... I'll just ignore you from now on.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
How am I a troll?? :confused:

I have come to a forum for the HD2 and why did I come here? Yep, to try and fix the problems I had with my first handset. Funnily enough my replacement HD2 has the exact-same faults to a tee so it would appear that they all have it. Those who 'do not have' the SMS problem either don't text much or haven't noticed they have delayed/non-received texts. Those who 'do not have' the loud call volume problem either don't make any calls, always make calls in a loud environment or they are hard of hearing. I have come to this conclusion because there are page upon page of disgruntled HD2 owners complaining of these problems on this very forum. Open your eyes!!!!!! :rolleyes: