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[HD2 General] freyberry:
I told you, you can identify iPhone fanboys when they contradict themselves:

- Saying it 'just works', and at the same time, suggesting to jailbreak it and talking about all kinds of workarounds.

- Pretending it's good to have no multitasking, no flash etc. (because Steve Jobs is always right) and at the same time, suggesting to jailbreak it.

- Saying "it's just a phone" when in fact, as a phone, it fails miserably, lacking call handling features that dumbphones had 10 years ago.

And so on...
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Have you even used the hierarchical folder structure of WM to get to things?! Maybe one or two items it maybe different but for the most part just short press the home button (big hardware circle button) or long press it to background run an app in iphone and click the call button.

Quick menu and Androkidd on HD2 are pretty good apps to help things. HTC have done some good things too. BUT ugly win mo is never more than a click away.

Its the folder structure of win mo and symbian and time to find things that makes people favour iphone and android UI.
[HD2 General] de5perate:
I don't sync my photos with iTunes (should be possible (you can sync the other way (PC to iPhone)) - anyway it is very easy to handle connecting the iPhone to the PC allows you to access the photos like you would a folder in explorer. As far as wiping your iPhone - firstly you have to be a muppet to agree to that dialogue box and secondly if you are said muppet then when you get back home plug it into iTunes and it'll all come back.

Windows Mobile Device Center - so you are telling me that I can get my HD2 working the way I want (with any registry tweaks required), all the apps I have installed, my e-mail settings, my mobile provider settings etc - all that initial faff. Then I can plug it into WMDC, tell it to bakc up my device - then when it sh1ts itself I can perform a hard reset, plug it into WMDC and it will restore everything back as it was before the breakdown without me having to do anything. Just like you can with iTunes?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It's becoming ridiculous... I'm out ;)

Never argue with iPhone fanboys desperately trying to defend their phones in a battle they've already lost!

Plug it in and there you go. It just works. No complicated workarounds needed like on the iPhone ;)

You can sync and share all your data right away.

To say it with Steve Jobs' own words: Isn't that cool?

Maybe only iPhones sh1t themselves?
[HD2 General] Jim Coleman:
Um, I think you're confusing synch with backup. WMDC is for synching, so it's a two-way thing - changes on the PC go to the phone and vice versa. Backup is a one-way process and generally the other device can't utilize the files in the backup. Whilst iTunes handles the backup bit, and some of the synch, it is missing the ability to synch APPLICATION DATA.
[HD2 General] de5perate:
Yes you are right I apologise. Believe me I would love to get rid of he iphone in favour of the HD2. The backup problem is a big one for me - I am quite happy tinkering with the phone but it would be nice to get to a point say right I am happy with that setup - then back it up. Then from the safety of knowing you have a good backup continue playing. But my experience of Windows Mobile leads me to believe there is no easy way of backing up the phones setup (including installed apps) so that you can easily restore - like a mirror.

I would like to point out that these people who just respond to anything positive said about a competing produce with phrases such as 'I give up on these Apple Fanboys' - if you have a good balanced arguement to put then let me hear it - just throwing catchphrases at me hardly strengthens your position - why don't we just resort to name calling???

Anyway - please I am looking to be converted.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Since I am cooking ROMs, I flash my phone several times a day. But of course, whenever I go out, it has to be stable and reliable, and I need all my applications and settings.

I just flash my latest stable ROM and restore a backup. No problem. I'm using SPB Backup, but there's lot of alternatives.
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
For me the HD2 still works - Browsing (which I do the most), PDF reading (which I also do alot of), calls, texts (using touch pal compact qwerty), Tomtom GPS, Camera.

For other stuff a slim 8mm ipod touch in my wallet - music, games and movies and specialist apps like decent chm and djvu readers seems to do the trick. Its only a shot of temporary HD2 induced wifi from the internet. And helps conserve battery life on the HD2.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
The problem is not when someone points out positive things abou his iPhone (or any other phone). It sure does have advantages.

The problem is when fanboys desperately try to defend their iPhones against anyone who points out any shortcomings - like Jim Coleman did.

Those shortcomings are real, but iPhone fanboys don't stop pretending they're not, contradicting themselves without realizing.

Anyway, this is exactly my opinion and having used iPhones and WM devices for long enough, I know it's true and won't argue about it:

If the iPhone does what you need without hacking, and you're fine with outdated hardware, then get an iPhone. It will 'just work' and you will be happy.

However, if you need to jailbreak the iPhone in order to make it do what you want, don't bother, just get a Windows Mobile (or Android) phone. It will work the way you want it to.

End of story ;)
[HD2 General] de5perate:
Freyberry - you are completely incapable of hearing a word said against your precious windows mobile. Us iPhone Fanboys as you like to call us are not contradicting ourselves the quotes you provide are from different people -

I am only gracing you with a response because I am finding this entertaining (and because I am getting paid for writing this). So your first lame comment - It just works - correct - buy an iPhone connect it to iTunes - it works. I think the arguement here is you get to choose how much you want to tinker - if you don't want to get involved then that is the end of it - if you fancy a little more customisation - then go and jailbreak it an play. You choose how far to take it.

No multitasking - I never claimed it was good - I just claimed it wasn't as much of a hindrance as some people like to claim. As far as contraadicting myself - the other comments about jailbreaking were not mine. So if you are accusing different iPhone Fanboys of having different opinions then I think you may be onto something - because I guess you winmo boys all sing from the same songsheet........ Pretty fantastic point you made there.

So you have now turned a single feature it doesn't do into a whole series of 'features' it cannot do. Sweeping statements - that'll help your arguement.

If it is a choice between being an iPhone Fanboy or siding with you and your twisted blinkered views I think you can carry on calling me Fanboy.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Argument .
[HD2 General] de5perate:
http://arguement.net/
[HD2 General] Archer:
Thanks for the confirmation mate :)
[HD2 General] freyberry:
@de5perate

Why aren't you just honest to yourself?

Me incapable of hearing something against WinMo? I've made lots of posts highlighting the weaknesses of Windows Mobile myself.

Because I know the strenghts and weaknesses of the operating systems.

I don't have to desperately try to talk away Windows Mobile's weaknesses the way you try to pretend the weaknesses of the iPhone, that Jim mentioned, are not real.

They are real and you know that. I have no problem accepting that none of the OSs, including WinMo, is perfect.

It's the iPhone fanboys who can't accept that their phone is just as flawed as anything else.

And yes, you are contradicting yourself, especially imperiallight, because no, it was not different people saying it 'just works' and at the same time suggesting to jailbreak, it was just ONE.

Here's a very good post *someone* made some time ago, and this will be the last thing I post here:

I don't think you can call someone making a post like this a fanboy. So, yeah, look who's talking ;)
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Most people enjoy their iphones as they are. How many people of a random poll would actually enjoy WM phones? Basic stuff. But again you dont get it.

As someone said the iphone OS was built from the ground up with the end user in mind. It did not inherit legacies or faults of older OS's.
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
THe difficulty in comparing the two lies in the iPhone being designed as a mass market phone that does tricks, whilst the HD2 is really a PDA that has phone bolted on as an after thought. They never started from a common point, so can't really be compared fairly afainst each other.

edit - first person to post an 'afainst.net' or similar comment gets, erm, well, really bad thoughts aimed at them.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
No, it did not inherit legacies or faults of older OS's.

But with all the legacies of WM also come its strenghts. And the iPhone did introduce its own faults. It's just as flawed as anything else, but of course in a different way than WM, for example.

But fanboys will never be able to accept that.
[HD2 General] steve93:
I personally prefer HTC HD2 bcz is thinner, 1 ghz cpu (iphone3gs has 600 mhz) big screen

and ram 450 mb (iphone:256mb ram) 5mpixel camera with flash :) iphone is good but htc is better ;)

Also iphone doesnt support flash lite another reason to dont buy it
[HD2 General] AbdullahT:
so you are an Iphone fan that has come to HD2 forum to prove that Iphone is better than HD2.

ok let me tell you something, from the device hardwares point of view. the HD2 beats your iphone very badly you cant even compare them. starting from the beautiful thin design, great 4.3" display, super fast 1000mhz processor, 5 MP camera with excellent picture quality and very good video recording quality to, 576 Ram, removable battery (flexible), removable memory card (flexible)... etc.

and from the applications side, HD2 already comes from the box with to much softwares. I am really satisfaied with the pre-installed softwares and I dont need any more softwares. Wi-fi router application is already there, microsoft office is already there and much much more. unlike your iphone which comes empty out of the box, it cant even send files through bluetooth to other devices. also, it has no multi-tasking and guess what, Iphone finally can send mms but when in year 2009 !!! come on you must be joking, nokia 6600 was released in 2003 and can send mms from that day. what a shame iphone.

and for those who say that iphone has much better games than HD2. maybe it was but not anymore. after releasing FPSECE (first playstation emulator for pocket pc) HD2 now is the best and its unbeatable in this category. there are 1000's of beautiful playstation games + windows mobile games.

HD2 is the king and many web sites agree with this.

my friend you are wasting your and our time here. go to your Apple and tell them I fail to convence HD2 users to switch thier HD2s with Iphones because simply... HD2 ROCKS and thats a fact.
[HD2 General] Jim Coleman:
Once more: iPhone is a flashy GUI tacked on top of a version of the UNIX OS. Which is older than WM. WM is a newer OS.
[HD2 General] Rollmops:
How are 1000's of games developped for a console 10 years old with a control scheme not meant for a touchscreen beat games specifically developped to be enjoyable for a given platform?

HD2 could run better games games from the hardware standpoint but the fact is that as of today, that's not the case, no matter how many web sites crown it king(sic).

I love my HD2 but I still envy the plethora of good and innovative applications iPhone users can enjoy.
[HD2 General] g.lewarne:
i work in an arts centre, so you can imagine what everyone has got.

Q:

Why do "artists" love apple products so much?

A:

Because apple marketing makes them believe it allows them to be more creative.

Utter bull-locks. Everything a Mac can do, a decent (and heaper) PC can do. And lets not forget, MACs are PC's but with a different OS, thats the only real difference now.

Also, everyone, and i mean everyone where i work has an iSheep (sorry i mean iPhone), and all i hear all day long is how bloody great it is, how amazing it is, how its so "cool" and "arty".

I showed my boss my HD2, and she cried!!! :D (just spent £400 on a sim free 3g, not 3gs! without ever having tried one out for herself)

I am probably the least arty person in the world, and i dont care for (and do not understand) most of the arty stuff, i am a technical person, and therefore i understand that i have a Choice, and by going Apple that choice is taken away.

I also have a phrase, "the iPhone is for people who dont know any better"
[HD2 General] Rollmops:
Unix may be older than WM(which still borrows stuff from the old PocketPC days, which in turn shared stuff with legacy DOS concepts and/or code so the point is kinda moot), but it's totally irrelevant because the iPhone GUI has been specifically developped for the device, whereas, when you have to cope with parts of WM not covered by sense, you can retrace uglyness/klunkyness back to the old WinCE days and even before. iPhone OS GUI is not just flashy(but as a matter of fact, it is, and not in a gimmicky way because it's very much useable and straightforward), it's consistent all over the place, you never have to cope with the underlying OS unless you are prepared and willing to.
[HD2 General] Rollmops:
So, basically, it's only a matter of choice... Then again, why their choice would be worse than yours if all things considered, everything is the same?

Yes, marketing has a lot to do with Apple commercial success, but there's more to it, the design is a core concern for them(be it hardware or eye candy or useability), unlike in the PC world where developers also do icons, for instance. What I'm saying here is that YES, a mac is more artsy than a PC eventho one could produce the same files in the end, and that DOES matter, and sales record prove it.
[HD2 General] Prinzessin Horst:
Let's bring this to an end:

Real men do not buy fruit :D
[HD2 General] johnonly:
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Damn it !!!!!! (look at me I am finally posting because of this dumb ass thread omg!!!

Apple is a company built to cater to "girls*" (know nothing/computer illiterate people)

in general

. thus the "pretty colors", GUI, Itunes, appstore, and the overall feel of their products. (that cracks me up)

Girl buying an apple laptop

girl: "oh!! look how pretty okay I'll buy it !!" :)

---> 2 days later?

girl: "wow!, XP runs great on my new laptop.....":D

your comparison should be edited as follows....

____________HD2________Apple iphone

makes calls__"check"_______"check"

multi tasks__"check"_______"aw man"_ ITS IMPORTANT!! are you kidding?

Huge screen "check"_______"1/2 check"

made for "girls*" "Hell no!!"__"check"__< HD2 is not pretty (flowers and SH**)

if you can't figure out how to Google an app or go crack a shareware version.. (don't tell me you never do..)

maybe apple products are for you

. Go knock yourself out buying the toilet paper dispensing cradle for you iphone.

BUT

Multitasking, versatility, design, expandability, and quality are what matter to me and probably

99% of HD2 owners

.

So when I see someone with my phone in his hand it says alot to me. But when I see a person with his iphone. I just think:( "

sheep

".

you like iphone great!!! your iphone helps me spot another sheep from 20yards away.

I love HD2. (what does my phone say about me huh?)

Girls*: defined as computer illiterate not using google beotches.(just to be clear)

let the flaming begin.......:D
[HD2 General] Rollmops:
Fanboyism at it's best :-) You somehow forgot to use the term "gay" in your very constructive last post.

Someone must be feeling insecure about his sexuality*.

*as previously defined as a classification between consumer electronic products users.

The fact that you love your HD2 tells me nothing, but what you wrote, in the other hand, tells me that you feel the need to brag about it's capabilities more than you really exploit them, and feel the urge to bash people using/thinking differently just because you cannot fathom simple concepts like "subjectivity".
[HD2 General] Archer:
I personally think you're all a bunch of idiots, acting like even more idiotic children.

Next you'll be talking about who can beat each other up.

Get over it. Some like iPhone, some like HD2. I have to work with a couple of really hardcore iPhone fanboys, and I simply don't like the device, but I manage to talk to them without resorting to acting like a spoilt little brat.

This is one of the dumbest threads on the forum, and I'm happy to see it go downhill. Hopefully it will get to the point where a mod thinks it's gone too far and closes it.

Keep flaming on kids. The more you do it the quicker this rubbish is closed.
[HD2 General] rvv:
I have an iphone 3GS and a HD2 which I use concurrently. I despise the iphone how it handles calls. I have experience several times the situation you have described above and the only way for me not to embarass myself further is to flip the "silent" switch on the left side. I had the iphone for 6 months now and I had the HD2 for a month. Guess what I prefer? The HD2, for it sheer speed, customizability, the screen and design.
[HD2 General] johnonly:
*sigh* I mean come on ... are you seriously using the "Gay card" this has nothing to do with who your in bed with. Unless you sleeping with your phone.
[HD2 General] johnonly:
"fanboyism" I guess so... I am a fan of anything that can claim to the "fastest cpu", "most Ram", "biggest screen"

or just about any other superlative you can use. I give a sh*t about the brand! ( only the specs) (thats why I really laugh at all the girls flashing the slow ass I-sheep...
[HD2 General] Rollmops:
Well actually no, I only own an HD2(hence my presence here), but don't let that little fact get in the way of you flagging me a girl. I just don't see the point in trying to prove to anyone how iPhones are inferior, and iPhone owners wrong and uneducated. We got choices, we got options, and I can certainly see major shortcomings in both devices, and reasons to chose either one.

The iPhone has undergone several refreshes since it's inception, but is still very close to the original concept, yet some people still need to pit it against the very latest offerings from the competition, and it's meaningful.

I hope that my HD2 will age this good, and the platform mature and offer what it lacks most today in my opinion, quality applications/games.
[HD2 General] johnonly:
I don't need to prove anything, just the fact that someone would choose to buy a Iphone now a days says alot about the type of person/consumer they are.

I never said "uneducated", but I wouldn't argue to the contrary..
[HD2 General] Rollmops:
Yeah, my mistake, you used the word illliterate, which is very different.

What good is it to have the quickest phone in the market if no application uses that power? An iPhone may be technically inferior, but it beats the HD2 in terms of apps availability.

What will happen when the next iteration of the iPhone will come out, with bigger screen/faster CPU? Because someday, it will...

Trust me, I sheep you not!
[HD2 General] johnonly:
Yeah, my mistake, you used the word illliterate, which is very different.

its cool... it was in small print :D

What good is it to have the quickest phone in the market if no application uses that power?

we can use more than one app at a time.. Besides Play station games are really great with all the CPU madness going on inside the HD2 "FPSECE Rocks"

An iPhone may be technically inferior, but it beats the HD2 in terms of apps availability.

This is why I say USE GOOGLE !!!!! thousand and thousands of apps.. Almost too many apps for WM..

What will happen when the next iteration of the iPhone will come out, with bigger screen/faster CPU? Because someday, it will...

Seriously you think the HD2 will be the last phone ever made? iphone needs to improve and not just sit there and look stupid while the phones of today are kicking its ass in specs. nexus, HD2, toshiba GO1, and a few I am not aware of ...

Trust me, I sheep you not!

yeah I believe you, really, no seriously.. oh hey did you hear about the super iphone.. (Ipad) :cool:
[HD2 General] Toss3:
^This. Just enjoy whichever phone you got.
[HD2 General] johnonly:
If you can't have the phoneyou love,honey. Love the one you got.
[HD2 General] terry1738:
I dont want an iphone please dont make me

I am just about sick of this whole mobile phone business.

I waited nearly a year for the N97 to be released I read all the reviews and pored over the photos, trawled the internet for anything I could find on it. As soon as it was released I ran to the store to buy one and spent the next 4 months in total misery. What a piece of crap that was.

So I finally get out of my contract and along comes the HD2 same deal reading all the reviews poring over the photos cant wait to get my hands on one but its another lemon NO VOICE CONTROL Thats the same as sending your best and finest battleship of to war and forgetting the ammunition.

What is HTC thinking we wont notice its not there, we wont need it, this must be the dumbest company in the whole universe even apple realised they were a no show without voice control and they rank fairly highly in the dumb stakes (who else would release a camera without a flash)

So what do you buy at the moment an apple of course its a no brainer for no brainers which I reckon is 95% of the population. Its alright for us to get a phone and frig around with all the crap you have to do to get it to work because we are the intelligencer while all the other morons pick up there apple and it works don't have to nutting to make it work it just does.

They don't want 3000 applications running at once be able to insert seven flash cards have a 16 inch screen be able to map the on off button to the toilet cistern they just want a phone they pick and it works who cares if it hasn't got a flash there in bed at 6 PM anyway who cares if you cant take the battery out who cares if its only got 16Gb ram thats more then they need in a lifetime anyway.

So what am I going to buy an apple of course I know its crap but its better then a lemon.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yes mate. We are the intelligencer.
[HD2 General] johnonly:
you made my point for me.... this is the kind of person, that buys an iphone.

its perfectly alright, its like a monkey trying to start a bmw. its just to much for them to understand/handle. so go get your bannana. Be proud, and you should flaunt your iphone in everyones face... it'll be great.:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] DaveLeh:
So no voice control is really really bad, but no flash, no multitasking and a smaller screen with a small resolution are totally fine? I know it's all about personal preferences but some people's priorities are really not from this world.

I could never be productive without switching between running programs in a second.
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
Guys,

Its looking like this thread has run its course. Some of the posts have descended into personal insults which is very regrettable and certainly against forum rules.

I will therefore close this now.

If anyone can give a really good reason why this should stay open then please let me know.

Thanks

WB
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Absolutely. If the tariffs were comparable then it would just come down to hardware. They aren't. The iPhone doesnt totally float my boat but I might have had a pop had the camera been better and the tariffs comparable to other handsets. When you can get a top Nokia or the HD2 on a much better contract, why bother with the isheep?