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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Ruz:
My NAND results are:

Total Used Free
Mem 93480 91684 1796
Swap 0 0 0
Total 93480 91684 1796

Given that the Class 6 mainly refers to write speed - and given there is no swap enabled (by default) in this build - would we really expect to see Class 6 cards make much difference over say Class 4? In performance terms.

In space terms, most apps don't seem to take up much space, and I was assuming that you can then usethe SD card for additional storage? Is this correct? What I really didn't want was to have to either keep one specific SD card installed at all times so the apps could be installed there and work, or to have to install apps onto every different card I used....

Ruz

Cheers

Ruz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] djkoa:
BT Almost DONE!!!

Poly!!! Check the BT Thread! Pavel already uploaded the new kernel with BT Working...can u try to make it work? Pleaseeeeeeeeee!!!!!! Would be perfect!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mifam:
I don't think the GPS gave u the location, but rather the cell location based services... GPS is usually more accurate. You probably don't have it working yet...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mifam:
No idea about the msm error... never got it.

I'm not sure the ROM version matters, as HaRet flushes it out to run linux in the main memory. Anyhow I'm now using pcarvalho's 3.60.WM65X WWE build 23541 cooked ROM, but it worked well on a stock WM 6.1 as well.

My Radio version is 1.59.42.15, and I use Hard-SPL 0.2. Again, I'm not certain this should matter since I haven't flashed Android into NAND. Maybe the Radio does matter...

My card is a MicroSDHC SanDisk 4 GB, BTW.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Ruz:
@xxaznxx27 - You might need to let GPS Test do its thing for quite some time - it took mine something like 10 or 15 minutes to get a lock last time I tried. I've just started it up again as I write this post, and I'll see how long it takes this time.

Ruz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
hm, ok.

I use the 3lite3 win 6.1 Rom and Radio 1.59.44.02. Hard SPL 2.20-olinex. Running HaRet on a class 4 Sandisk 8GB microsdhc.

Then I don't understand why I get the error, no one has a clue on that.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
I have too a my observations:

When I launch haret it virbrates two times, then the tux penguin comes and while pressing the center button I get the msm-i2c error waiting for notbusy for 2 minutes, then the installer turns up.

But it doesen't react, it returns still the msm-i2c error. If I pull out my sd card while in the installer, it recognizes this with a message that mmc status has changed.

And now, even though the sd card is out, the msm-i2c error continues. So that error does not come from my sd card. (did already try another sd card).

When I insert the sd card again, it says the mmc status has changed at it reads the partitions etc.

Then the msm-i2c error continue again.

=> is there a possibility to launch haret before booting winmobile? But don't flash the nbh and don't use NAND install?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] twinklesam123:
Market problem

Hi i cannot log into market with the 2.1g via wifi...any ideas? thx
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] kendav911:
All I can see is WOW. This g build is fast and much more stable. I have all things working mius the normal items like bluetooth,camera and spearkerphone. I am going to try the NAND steps next. I think all will work out. Thanks so much Poly. Hope you got my donation.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Woodham:
Ok I'm getting very confused. I've been flashing and reflashing this Android build all day and I cannot seem to get the keyboard working correctly.

I do not have a Tilt, just a regular UK Kaiser. I've found the Panel type 3 seems to work fine with the screen, but every version I've tried (Although admittedly I've only tried ones with the 320 resolution) seems to have the Fn keys wrong. (! and @ switched etc).

I'm under the impression I shouldn't have to reinstall Android at this point, just flash the right .nbh file. Is that correct? And if so I don't suppose one kind soul would like to point me in the direction of a correct one?

Other then that however it seems to be working really well. I was really surprised at how much faster it feels over Windows Mobile for things like screen orientation and typing etc.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] paipo:
Hi,

I have exactly the same problem as you...

My radio version is 1.59.42.15. so I guess this is not the problem...

What Android builds have you tried?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
I tried again this morning and it froze on me.i had to use android keyboard to type. I tired holding down the button but keyboard doesnt work and i cant even go back to the home screen. So i soft reset..def needs attention
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
only "Polymod 2.1b" and "g" and kernel "zImage-eclair" and "zImage-dzo-04-03-10"

But I'm so desperate that I will now backup everything and try the NAND version.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Ruz:
I used a the panel type 2 NBH to flash to NAND on my UK Kaiser , and I noticed my ! and @ functions are also switched. There are some earlier posts in the thread about this but no firm conclusion or resolution that I saw.

Wrt the resolutions, I'm not really quite sure what the other resolutions buy since it appears that the 320 matches the native res of the screen. From reading random posts it seems that some apps fit the higher resolution builds better (I think Facebook might be one for example as that doesn't quite fit on the 320) at the cost of reducing the sharpness of the overall image (as you are cramming more pixels to display into a smaller physical screen). I wouldn't have thought that would affect the keyboard, unless something else also changed?

Open to correction if I have misunderstood though :)

Ruz
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] clmartin22:
actually really enjoying this latest release. Installed from NAND and everything is running pretty good. Very few Force Close messages. Battery life is much improved. Great job to all who have worked on this. Maybe my Tilt will last me until ATT comes out with a decent android phone. I sure don't won't to waste my money on the backflip. I would guess that the Tilt with Poly Android is just as quick and you have the ability to install any app.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] gimuccopteltd:
Force Close gapps on Market

Using Polymod 2.1g on Sd card partitions.

Got a problem with market: as soon as I try to install (or update) something the download starts (can see the loading bar) but I got the error:

The process com.google.process.gapps has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again.

It started a few days after the fresh installation I made for this release. I was able to upgrade TaskKiller to the latest release and then nothing else...

Please note that installing from .apk file works correctly.

Any clue?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
I did it I flash to NAND, and now with NAND everything just works. :D (except the known issues)

So really the win mobile underlying did interfere.

But one thing I don't understand: When I turn on the phone I see for some seconds the old win mobile boot screen and after that the linux console turn on. :confused:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
For those having keyboard problems:

The Sourceforge NBHs we use to flash Nand is hardcoded for Tilt Keyboard, there is another NBH that has UK keyboard encoded, the Dzo ones, however these are older, and still need an SD card inserted to boot Android, ( you can use any SD card however, does not have to be the one you use to install with).

These NBH's are currently at a similar stage to the Vilord ones on Sourceforge, but are getting out of date, so you may have to reflash a tilt keyboard version in the future to keep up with developments.

As always, choose the panel type that matches your hardware, and preferred resolution, just make sure the filename does not have 'Tilt' and it'll be a non-tilt keyboard.

Note that those of you who use Nano, the version installed will not be able to use the 'OK' key as a 'Ctrl' key to get commands, I am working on a fix for this issue.

The dzo nbh's are here: http://it029000.massey.ac.nz/vogue/files/?C=M;O=D

To use these, just flash the same as you did when installing to Nand, however you do not need to reinstall Android, just flash the KAISimg.nbh, pull battery, replace and reboot.

@Polarfuchs: The nbh we use does not have a splash screen embedded like some of the custom roms we use. Whatever splash screen you last installed will remain, however there is an Android splash screen available on post #1, (dammit I just remembered your on Polaris, the splash screen is kaiser only, sorry, maybe look in polaris section for custom splash screens, but honestly, it does no harm at all to keep the splash screen)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] piotrv:
I now get mixed results using different Kaiser's:

- NAND on my HTC TytN2 is smooth and faster than haret SD (class4/6) ext2 partitions.

- NAND on my MDA Vario is much slower for some unknown reason

So I put haret on MDA Vario using SD class 6 ext2 partitions

Now booting thru haret is

faster

than NAND on HTC Tytn2 :confused:

(I just compared the time to load Android OS, I didn't add the booting time for WinMo :D)

Using the installer script, getting /system on NAND + /data mount point on SD ext2 file system is still a bit problematic for some reason.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] polyrhythmic:
Hi y'all, working on BT for this build, I can get it to initialize but not return as on, the problem is probably in userland as BT doesn't work for 1.2.2 for G1 either, next OpenEclair update is almost out... updates soon (but I don't know exactly when)!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
No rush dude, you done a great job with 2.1g, and once the next OE update hits I'm sure BT will be a welcome addition, at this rate by April our Kaisers will be almost officially Android phones ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
very nice!! BT isnt as important for me as Camera, Speaker, and certain minor problems im having..someone should make a Bugs report page, so people can report bugs. I think it would be alot easier for people to look and find solutions to problems other have had already.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] clmartin22:
Question on Res

Poly, what resolution are you using for the screenshots in this post? Everything looks a little different on your screenshots. Thanks again
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Terrandroid:
could someone please give me a hand here, im new at this.

been doing some reading but i just don't get it. i got a kaiser in

one hand now and a partitioned sdcard in the other.:(

what should i do next?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] lggyxx:
1: Download [ DOWNLOAD Eclair polymod 2.1g Light-Themed for SD install or NAND ]

[ DOWNLOAD Eclair polymod 2.1g Dark-Themed for SD install or NAND ]

2: Put these files in the root of your sd card

3: Change the name of the Default-Kaiser files to default

4. Hit haret.exe

5. Hit run

6. When prompted to middle button of the D pad

Let install and boot. Wait 15 minutes after it boots
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
Poly you may know th fix by now but I was able to apply a patch from the other thread to get it working
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] kaboofa:
gunzip the androidinstall.tgz so you get androidinstall.tar, copy androidinstall.tar over to your /sdcard/andboot/ directory
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
Firstly, welcome to the wonderful world of Kaiser Android :)

Secondly, to be perfectly honest, I don't think you read everything, the SD card goes in the kaiser, it's difficult for the kaiser to read it in your hand.....

Seriously, if you want to run Android on your kaiser, the instructions are in the first post.

Basically you need an SD card, ( partitioning not required, as long as it has one FAT32 partition to install from).

On the SD card you need one folder, named andboot.

You need the androidinstaller.tgz from post 1

You will also need the basefiles, also linked in post one

Extract these files and place them all in the SD card, in the andboot folder.

You will need to rename the kaiser-default.txt file to default.txt,and edit to set the paneltype, and to set the zImage to zImage-eclair

After that run haret.exe and watch for the 'hold dpad for installer' text to show, and then hold the dpad centre key until the installer pops up. once you have installed Android select quit, and it should boot android.

Ok that's a quick and dirty tutorial, (but not as quick as I hoped) lol
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] zenity:
You can also use 7zip to extract the androidinstall file if you don't have gunzip handy.....
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pentagramII:
Any closer info?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] pentagramII:
BTW. Here's the fix for wifi on the newest zimage...

Unpack in andboot folder on SDcard, while booting press D-pad and select install update.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Thermopyle:
I've been running these various builds off of SD for awhile now, but I've decided to give NAND flashing a try.

Unfortunately, it always just freezes on the splash screen!

Steps I've taken:

1. Freshly formatted FAT32 SD card with two ext2 partitions of 260MB each.

2. KAISIMG-PANEL1-480-TILT.NBH renamed to KAISIMG.nbh on root of sdcard.

3. androidinstall.tgz in andboot folder on sdcard.

4. Press power and camera while hitting softreset until the flashing screen comes up.

5. It takes maybe 10 or 15 seconds to flash and then says update complete.

6. I remove battery for 5 minutes.

7. Turn phone back on and it just displays the splash screen from my WinMo ROM. I've let it set for like 30 minutes and it just keeps displaying that.

I've tried extracting the .tar and putting it in the andboot folder, putting the .tgz in root next to KAISIMG.nbh, putting the .tar in root next to KAISIMG.nbh.

I've also tried two different sd cards. Tried downloading the .nbh and polymods .zip file several times on two different PC's.

Any ideas anyone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
I have set up my wifi. But can't access the web with the browser and the google market crashes.

And if I type ifconfig in the terminal it says :"error: no inet socket available: permission denied"

What is the matter?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] acompres:
hey guys, i don't know why but the ''Battery Optimization'' was double edged on my side, my battery takes about 8-10 hours to charge and about the same time to discharge, the battery being damaged is totally rulled out because i got two batteries and they both do the same...anyone?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] iseeka:
charging is very slow on my polaris too... i hope polaris users get a new nbh soon btw :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] svenn0508:
Just not working...

Hi guys, I have formatted my card with single FAT32 part. and did the NAND.

Basically andboot folder with androidinstall.tar or .tgz (have tried both ways) and with KAISimg.nbh file on root (also tried with and without data.img file in folder) jus keep getting "ANDROID blah blah Unable to open persistent property directory/data... blah blah...

Been running android SD and NAND the old way before and everything was ok, but now with polymod 2.1g just not able to boot??? help!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] manu33xtro:
Well, I use also with my Pola100 but with 1.65.30.09 radio and maybe I've more time for battery... I can use the phone more of 10 hours :) But ot's just an estimation !

Make sure you disable GPS and synchronise data...

I hope too to have a new nbh by DZO or Vilord.

For Wifi I can use it just when I'm alone to use the connection at home ;) When my sons are connected : impossible to use market or internet :(

PentagramII

: what's about your fix ? Also for Polaris users ?

Cheers.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] polyrhythmic:
@kendav911: BTW, I did get your donation and it's much appreciated! I had a cold Peroni last night while Raiden DJed :)

@zenity: Looks like we have working BT before the G1 guys. Just like with 3D. dzo must have a 6th sense that detects methods and bugs for hardware drivers. I've got to lookup his donation link and post it, cause he deserves it.

@lggyxx: No need for a bugtracker -- I have enough websites to keep track of, the bugs we have are well known and are almost all listed (including the ones you mention) in the first post. The rest could be found easily by searching the thread.

@clmartin22: QVGA / 320x240

@acompres, please list your device/install method/radio etc. when reporting bugs.

@thermopyle, what radio are you using?

@pentagramII @manu33xtro, tonite I'll have an update out that covers the new kernel with Wifi and BT.

There's no advantage atm to using dzo's newer kernels unless the keyboard is wrong from the sourceforge kernels, or if you'll want BT. Otherwise the SF kernels are the most stable with this build. Dzo's new kernels by default no longer downclock your processor so they may be harder on battery life, I haven't been running one long enough to say for sure.

I have BT working, was able to pair it with my PC and send a file -- I don't have a headset with me atm to test. HOWEVER, I don't have high-speed bluetooth yet for A2DP and fast file transfer, etc... so I'm going to do a few more test to see if I can get it working.

High-speed or not, I'll have the BT update out this evening.

Cheers :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
Nice work polyrhythmic
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Thermopyle:
1.71.09.01
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] polyrhythmic:
Thermopyle, try flashing this .NBH from kaisereclair folder from SourceForge instead.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] j0d3:
passwd root?

hey guys i flashed my phone all Ok!

which is the root passwd?? I need for telnet connection. thanks :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] acompres:
@Poly

I got a KAIS100 NAND Flashed with the Feb 20 KAISIMG-PANEL2-320.NBH from http://sourceforge.net/projects/androidhtc/files/ About the radio, i really don't remember which one i got flashed, but anyway, i've been a user since 2.1a3 without a problem with my battery until now
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
I cant access the market!!

It crashes even tough the wifi is set up.

Help please. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
When I securely unmount the sd card with settings->sd card&storage eject sd card and then insert it again, the sd cards does not get recognized.

How can I remount the sd card instead of rebooting?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] seedub:
is my screen shot or did i do something wrong.. i am getting bad pixels on the screen at random places, used the 320 nbh for nand install..
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] garringm:
You may want to try a different nbh with a different panel type

Poly what did you do to get BT fully working I was able to get it to turn on and scan but it would not find other devices and wasn't able to be found by others
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] polyrhythmic:
BT audio routing doesn't work atm, looks like I can release BT but it might only do file transfer until the kernel is fixed... so I can get low-speed file-transfer working but I'm not sure if theres much else to be done except wait...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] spiritssight:
Hi All,

What is the best program to use the phone as a wifi for another device to use the phones internet through wifi? or now that BT will be working what about bluetooth as a internet connect for a device that can handle it? what would the service be under?

Also I am wondering about IM program that Google had put with the G1 is this work on the kaisers and if so where can I get it? it use to be in the build back with 1.5 & 1.6 that volid did I believe?

Thanks a lot!

Sincerely,

Christopher
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] alheira68:
Don't work.... uff

Hiii to everyboddy,

I tried verything...i think, install from SD ... and run with Haret... install the system, but then, in the finall part... is saying... no such file or directory , for /system/bin.... or for su...

after this i tried flash to the NAND, ok, with KAISIM... i flashed, then when iam going to install the system...again... when i finish the installation and quit, on the botton appear

android and after some seconds , system can't reach tty. job control turned off. i dont know want is going on with my kaiser...or if iam doing something wrong...

any suggestion. best regards

PS: in attachement going the logs, if it can help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Thermopyle:
How long should the splash screen stay up upon first booting a NAND install?

@polyrhythmic: I'm trying the .nbh you linked. I let it sit at the splash screen for like 10 minutes. I took the card out and put it in my Ubuntu PC, and the install had created some files/folders. For example the androidinstall folder was in /andboot.

I went ahead and reformatted the partitions and reflashed...after like 15 minutes I took the card out and looked at it again, and got nothing.

Would the HardSPL version I have make a difference? I've been using 3.34 for flashing WinMo ROMS for a long time...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] mnjm9b:
I get these every time I boot...

let it go...

give it a few minutes.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] fatman06:
Pandora not working on 2.1G Eclair Kaiser

I'm getting an error when trying to open Pandora,

"Sorry your device is currently Not Supported.

Model: dream-open"

Any Ideas to get around this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] sf3000:
Hello, I also have TytN2, could you tell me how much faster percentage-wise

1) SD class6 is comparing to SD class4?

2) NAND is comparing to SD class4?

AFAIK, NAND and controllers coming from different manufacturers can have different speeds, that will

cause the discrepencies you are seeing between NAND used in MDA Vario and HTC TyTN2.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jrisko:
Image thumbnails gray?

Anyone seeing the image thumbnails as gray squares when selecting? i.e. when changing wallpaper "picture" or selecting a contact pic? :confused: For the most part it's a great rom, POLY!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] manu33xtro:
Hi,

Very good good news :)

Now we wait for the new build and hope it's work for Polaris in the coming days :D

Thanks again to you and DZO ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Polarfuchs:
I solved this, I forgot to set up the static Ip in the wifi config.

This error still is present, needs to be fixed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] jaffarbp:
first possible problem - you have USB plugged in. Unplug it and try again (it son't boot with usb cable in)

Second try - try holding middle d-pad, and when the install menu goes on try going on quit. Reported to work 9/10 times
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Android Development] Woodham:
Ok thank you for the clarification. Is there a chance that the .nbh's with the correct (UK I guess?) keyboard will be updated if they are getting out of date? Or shall I (and others with the same problem) just have to suck it up and memorise the differences =D.

(Note I don't personally feel it's a massive problem. It just seems to be the biggest one I've got at the moment. Other then that it works fantastically)