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[HD2 General] sunking101:
Doh! I wouldn't go to an iPhone forum slating the iPhone because I don't own one. I do, however, own an HD2......and therefore come to this forum. Yet another lame argument!
[HD2 General] maati:
No, your argument is lame! I had an iPhone and I hated it, but I didn't go to iPhone forums telling people that I hate it, because only psychologically disturbed people like you do so.

And what is even worse, telling people how much you hate your HD2 has been the ONLY thing you've been doing since you registered to this forum. This is really sick.

My argument is totally valid. It's just you not being smart enough to understand it.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
......ditto ;)
[HD2 General] maati:
No OS and no phone is perfect, yet only Windows Mobile gets bashed all the time - though others clearly have at least as many flaws.

There is clearly something wrong.
[HD2 General] walshieau:
Why would you double post this???
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
The reason some people "hate" their phones here is due to the fact that they are frustrated that it cannot do some very basic functions without drama. Example, the ability to text, receive call without going deaf, just to mention 2.

I personally have not said I hate my hd2 but have become very frustrated by it's typing accuracy Or lack off ! And as such feel I have a right to moan about it out of sheer frustration and in the hope that someone somewhere could read it and offer a fix. I have been on countless forums but there seems to be a snobbery attitude with some members here.

Again, if the powers that be on this site do not want people to complain or vent their anger about their phones or indeed ask "stupid questions " then create a elite section or ban us. Plenty more forums on the web!

I personally came here as I heard good things about how guys here know their stuff and can help you, but as I mentioned earlier it's all a little too intense and arrogant here sometimes. And some people seem to take themselves too seriously. It's only a forum for mobiles, not a NASA forum for black hole research guys LoL !

Seriously some of you guys are a little too attached to your phones. It's no substitue for a girl or chocolate you know.
[HD2 General] maati:
You mean, like multitasking, or sending files via bluetooth, or connecting it as a storage device, or showing appointments on the home screen?

Yep, you're right, hating a device for not being able to do basic tasks is okay :D

(okay, in case your sarcasm detector does not work: I mean that all other phones, including the iPhone, offer many more reasons to hate them - yet their owners don't go to forums specific to those phones just to spread FUD because they hate their phones, so there is clearly something wrong here!)

We only want you to respect the rules, which clearly say that creating threads for things that have been already there is not allowed, as well as trolling is not allowed.

This forum used to be by far the best, before all the trolls creating "I hate my HD2" threads and hijacking the normal threads came!
[HD2 General] Xzeven:
lol well said :) Yes indeed, they're just phones. Though if you think HTC owners are elitist you should see some of the Apple forums (not just iPhone) I get a good laugh there too :D

Anyways, you say you have SMS and Volume issues. Have you tried Hard resetting your phone, rewriting the ROM? The problem is more likely software, though it could just be a bad batch of phones that a few people on here got. You could try return it and get a replacment, at perhaps a different shop (different batch)
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
May I suggest next time a "troll" like myself starts a thread you guys don't like.... How about this for an idea, ignore it and it will not turn into a 4 page circus.

...sent using Storm 2. due to the fact that it would have taken a month to correct typing errors using my HD2. All text typed correctly 1st time round!
[HD2 General] maati:
lol @ Storm2. I tried it and decided I would not buy it because texting on this thing is awful for me.

I've never seen an onscreen keyboard that was easier to type with than the HD2's ;)

The problem with you guys is that you think something is bad just because you are not able to use it. And then for some weird reason you create threads telling everybody that something is bad, when it's actually just bad for you. I don't say that the HD's keyboard is good for everyone, nor do I say the Storm2's is bad for everyone. But you do create threads whining about the things other people actually like. We respect your desicions, but honestly, what's the point of your threads? They do not help anyone, they create only harm. You are degrading the quality of the forum with threads like those.

So NO, just ignoring the trolls and letting them create more and more useless threads is no option.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
Thanks for advice. I'm going back to using my storm 2 for now.;)

meantime I shall archive this holy tablet called HD2, which thou must not blaspheme against it , until Such time of the second coming (of a fix) LOL.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
You perpetuate the threads you so despise with your reverse trollism.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
That's because he is a closet troll! LOL
[HD2 General] maati:
Stupid, really.

I said I do respect your desicions. I also do respect when you tell us your opinion ("blaspheme against it"), but ONLY when you do so respecting the rules and the opinions of the other people here - with your whining threads, you clearly do not.

Those two posts above this one clearly tell me what kind of people you are. I only want you to respect the rules. You are the only ones that are trolling. After all, I didn't go to a BB forum either after I found the Storm2's keyboard was awful - because that's what trolls like you do.
[HD2 General] Xzeven:
:D I already got a fix for my Keyboard woes a long time ago, try Swype it takes a tiny bit of getting used to, but a lot easier than the native Leo keyboard and after a week you should find it easy to use with just one hand...as the mighty Lord..ahem..Leo intended :D
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
Ok boss. Long live Windows Mobile. And hail to HD2.
[HD2 General] maati:
Another proof that I was completely right. Thanks.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
LOL, I like you man, but wait ! You are a "senior member" hark! Be it true? A sense of humour??
[HD2 General] Nagrom Nniuq:
Or even the fact that it took over 2 years to get stereo blue tooth, copy/cut/paste, ANY background apps, video recording... need the list go on?
[HD2 General] Xzeven:
Huuuuumour....humour...yes, I remember that word. People here used to use it in the before time, in the long long ago - pre the HD2 and usually something about iPhone and blenders or what not:)
[HD2 General] maati:
True, it's hilarious/sad how those people complain about small issues like the SMS bug and totally forget about those HUGE issues on other phones.
[HD2 General] aussiebum:
If a fanboy wants to waste their time typing up trash in a forum them just ignore their posts. Have better things to do than read about the same old complaints and issues that could easily be solved if they just bothered searching for it.
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Yup I agree there is a smear Campaign going on, people like Google, Apple and yes MS too, do not play nice and each has and will continue to play dirty.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=583618
[HD2 General] mightymn:
I have to say, the amount of bashes and moans in the past few days has made me all worried and prevented me from buying an HD2. I've had winmo for around 5 years and I certainly know how to live with it. But seeing all the whining users just makes me scared. With all respect to those who complain logically and constructively, there IS something going on and it has had its effects and if it's really a campaign or something, it should be stopped.
[HD2 General] 20mihalko:
i don`t see anything you can worry about.... i have it more than one month, and i love it... camera issue solved, other issues bleh... great phone, love it..
[HD2 General] bronx:
imho You guys are a bit paranoid. maybe there is some truth about this whole propaganda stuff, but (un)fortunatelly vast majority of cases are trolls coming to winmo from less complicated devices. from what I observe we have real flood of newbies who expect that they will master those machines in no time. no offence, but I know some ppl who can understand that i.e. symbian or iphone os do have their cons as well and knowing complexity of winmo they stay away from it. see... do You swim across the lake being not sure if You swim good enough? it's a human nature. if You'll start drowning after only 15 meters do not blame the weather, depth of lake or water temperature. got it?
[HD2 General] onisuk:
right let's all face the facts. . . 1: the recent influx of new members is dude to htc launching a phone at last that appeals to the messes namely the hd2

2: the phone out the box is full of bugs . . . fact ! granted there are fixes here but why on earth should it be down to the community to make these fixes ?? I'm glad we can fix it but the point is if it was right we wouldn't need to !

3: for all the people who have bought this phone and are not computer literate,have not found this forum or others like. . . .it they will be hating this phone ! :eek:

ps. sorry for any typos but this keyboard sucks lol
[HD2 General] jakem:
There are some people that have come across a few small (but fixable) bugs and a very tiny minority of those people have complained long and hard until it seems as if the phone is terrible. However, it's important to remember that those people represent the minority and that most people (like me) have not had any problems with the HD2. You'll only ever get a one sided view of a product on a forum like this because people are unlikely to post when everything is fine.

Don't let the vocal minority put you off. The HD2 is a great phone and well worth picking up if you are in the market for a new phone.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Well, I can't say I've noticed any smear campaign. There have been one or two attempts to make the overall reporting on the HD2 a bit more balanced and complete by offering a contrary opinion to some of the more obvious examples of foaming-at-the-mouth fanboyism - is that what you're referring to?

EDIT: typo.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
I REALLY don't understand this paranoia about Fanboys and smear campaigns here. i have owned lots of phones from different makes before, changed to HD2 as it offered the best of what I needed (on paper at least). People don't buy the phone, just to come on this forum to bash it.

I personally have a genuine problem with mine regarding the keyboard. I have asked for answers to what some of you call simple problems in the past, most have been resolved by good people here, some ignored due to either people here not knowing how to fix or the answer has been so "obvious" that no one has replied. Either way I have happily gone on with using the phone, but the keyboard has become unusable, after trying countless fixes.

So due to my annoyance at this I made a comment (which nobody had to take SOOO seriously as though I insulted their wives or daughters ( heck some of you here may class your phones as your partners by the sound of things)) about me leaving the phone and moving on until such time a proper solution is found - then I mentioned how this was a great forum....Now I REALLY don't get in what part of that post some of you concluded that I was a Iphone fanboy, or a double agent being sent here to cause problems for the reputation of HD2.

I think the words "get a life" is very appropriate with some people here.
[HD2 General] Archer:
And where would one enquire as to such a profession?
[HD2 General] rovex:
There are Trolls on every site, its best to ignore them. Its funny when they go to specific fan sites like this to cause trouble.. They really must have nothing better to do.

There are a few review sites that are biased though, they are more problematic. Gizmodo (or as i call it iGizmodo) is one such site. If Apple launched a dog turd and called it the iTurd they would think it was the best thing ever. They really ripped into the HD2 for running Windows mobile, calling it a 'tragedy'.

Engadget are a little better, but not much, they do at least have some sense of proportion and can understand why people dislike the 'i' products and like the WM products.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
Time for my contribution to this seemingly pointless thread...

1) yes I regret to say I'm one of the new members but only because I've never felt the need to join and actively post in the past as all my previous phones have used other o/s that I eventually found very limiting and (dare I say it) all I needed was the occasional leech of info found on here..;)

2) I'm not a total noob to wince as I've heavily modded some pna devices running on it in the past and felt the time had arrived to get a decent phone where I could carry on doing what I'd enjoyed to a pna upon my phone.

3) On paper the specification of the HD2 blew, not only me away, but the majority of you too and opened up so many more avenues for me to explore that it instantly became a must have for me (and you too I suspect)

4) Prior to placing my order I reluctantly started a thread attempting to establish the truth and nature of any "real" defects the phone had (as opposed to software "issues" which seemed to me to be the main complaint) as there were SO many threads full of *****in that I couldn't see the wood for the trees..seem's to boil down to not a deal really (at least as far as I'm concerned)

5) I'm one of the unlucky souls who's still waiting on one to arrive (hopefully on Thursday..) and as such can't really stand toe to toe with anyone over its merits or shortcomings but I'm fairly certain that come Jan/Feb the majority of any of it's "issues" will be resolved to my satisfaction.

6) Now that you're upto speed with my background (assuming you could be bothered to read all that drivel:D) I'll get to my main point..

Whenever an exciting new product hits the market there will always be early adopters of said product/technology who leap in and grab whatever it may be,even when it's well outside their "comfort zone". Regretfully these products are often rushed into retail outlets to try and recoup the r&d costs as swiftly as possible and to "steal a march" on any competing tech/product before that hits the shelves too with the result that there may be some,"ahem",issues with said product, as appears to be the case here with the initial batches of the HD2.. In case's such as this the designers/manufacturer's are usually fairly prompt in addressing any shortcomings otherwise their products will soon fall by the wayside and if they're not really dilligent so will they (anyone seen a delorean at their local dealer lately?) Fortunately we don't have to rely solely on HTC as we've also got this forum ,along with others, to help out too! Suffice to say that those individuals, who are "well outside their comfort zone" along with those with genuine hardware faults, will become fewer as time passes due to either "fixes" or them moving to alternative products leaving this forum with a clearer perspective and all the "I hate this" post's should "thin out" which I ,along with many of you,will be more than glad for...I'm pretty certain I'll still be here to see that, but who knows? ;)
[HD2 General] gpfransen:
LOL

It is just freaking hilarious how not only on the forum apple fans bash the HD2, @ work (even a IT company so you would expect that they know somethings of it?) I have multiple collegaeu's that are walking around the whole day with the iphone like its a gold medal xD , when you want to make a conversatiobn about it they all proud tell what they can do with it because they installed a point and click jailbreak :S so discussion has no purpose.

I think that just the Iphone attracts "certain" people :p

I just love my HD2, KB can be a pain in the ass, in normal conditions it works fine only when the screen is dirty or it rains its unusable.
[HD2 General] ugumba:
Just ignore them

The best (in fact the only) solution is to ignore any and all posts that offend you.

A thread ignored by everybody will quickly sink so far down into the forum that it will seem gone.

Replying to such threads is akin to sprinkling gasoline over a fire. You will attract replies from not only the original poster, but also from users sympathetic with the OP, from users sympathetic with yourself, as well as from good natured, smug and/or neutral users who try to calm the waters (like me :-)).

While the OP if *this* thread raises a few very valid and interesting points, I feel that the case (a conspiracy theory, actually) has not been properly made. A thread like this has no right to live unless it is supported by stronger facts, some research into statistics involving the users, threads and forums in question. Without this, the thread becomes a flame war battleground, almost indistinguishable from the thread that the OP complained about.
[HD2 General] jpmalum:
Your analogy has made my day! :)

''There are stupid questions and more importantly there are incredably stupid people and MORE seem to be arriving here!!!
[HD2 General] zoomee:
My main concern is that this used to be a developers forum - its now a user forum! Its like non of these newbies know how to do a search!

I agree with the smear campaign bit - I know Apple fanboies alike are realing over the HD2 - Walked into the garage this morning and watched two apple fanboys faint in terror when I whipped out my HD2 - lol, it was quite amusing as I didnt even say anything - just heard them whimper something about look at the size of that screen!. :eek:

BUT - I really don't understand the point of posts like SOLD MY HD2 / HATE THIS THING etc - each to their own I guess but theres no need for it on XDA. Go and complain to the likes of HTC not us who want to get on with things and improve our devices the way we want.
[HD2 General] shirreer:
mec1234

Would all the Naysayers and miserably gits please leave the room.

I have been following the HD2 for some months now and to be honest I want to have its babies.

In all that time there always seems to be a small but very vocal minority who seem to be on a “This Phone is crap, its 3 million % slower than Phone X, O MY GOD what has HTC done”

To be honest I am starting to wonder if there is some kind of anti HTC HD2 movement going on, so please guys if you don’t like the HD2 fine just please GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

And no I am not a fan boy living in pink fluffy world; in fact I have just had the pleasure of an hour of one on one time with the Retail unit and its sooooooo good. There is no lag, the screen is great and it is clearly, in my mind, the best phone this year and possibly next year as well.

Now I know that not all of you will agree with me, that’s fine but please give the HD2 bashing a rest or at least wait until you have personal tested one and have something constructive to say.
[HD2 General] Jerseyman:
Wow.

Iphone users are stupid.

HD2 users are clever

UNLESS they find some issues with it

Then they are stupid.

Yup I think I've got it.

(What a shame to see XDA degenerate to this sort of stuff)

Brian

(PDA User since the MP100)
[HD2 General] apoc286:
I look at it this way, if you get any phone and it's got bugs you can't live with, either you didn't do your research, or you jumped on it straight away before there was sufficent information around.

If you didn't do your research more fool you, if you don't like it don't ***** about it take it back and get an apple 'my first smart phone'.

If you jumped on it straight away then you must have been expecting that there would have been some risks involved and that there may be some bugs, I don't think any smart phone gets released in a totally perfect state. If you didn't then don't ***** about it, put up and shut up, or better yet be constructive and try and find a fix, otherwise take it back and go and get something else.

I've been looking around trying to find as much out about the HD2 as possible and all i see is places stuffed up with *****ing trolling and bile. Frankly it's about as much use as a chocolate teapot, go vent elsewhere as people know the faults by now. Also seriously if someone is stupid enough to let a propaganda campaign influence their decision then perhaps we should be glad most of the propaganda will be steering them away from phones like this rather then to it.
[HD2 General] shirreer:
That's just the problem: these guys are not asking for help, really, nor are they searching for fixes obviously because they would have found them!! This great forum has it all; knowledge, hardcore experts, programs, code examples, fixes, etc...

These trolls are not here to "find fixes" for their problems; Instead, they only whine & scream about how bad both the product & OS are and full of engineering bugs etc... And, when anyone offers help they invariabley respond by either biting their hands off and say its not good enough, cry out why they have to be troubled to apply fixes that HTC/MS should've aleady implemented, etc...

It would've been easy to ignore these "trolls" if they aren't hijacking every single genuine thread and turning it into a flame-war thread! We don't even know anymore who's genuinely offering advice, looking for help, and who's just trying to enflame :( Everything is being distorted and helpful posts diluted in the mess. Sincerely, who would be inclined to develop & fix with an unverifiable performance baseline, and ingrates bashing everything being done?

Serious Moderation is desperately needed
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
Personally, I, like some others, think the HD2 (as most HTC phones) is not intended to the same category of people as the iPhone.

Some people just want a phone that is easy to understand out of the box, where they don't need to change anything.

They probably won't even use most of the features of the phone.

The iPhone is aimed at those people : a controlled and visually appealing experience where the user can easily find his way, but can't customize anything.

Other people (like me) like tinkering with their phone, tweaking it and customizing the hell out of it so that you can make the experience feel the way you want it to be.. and modify it to something completely different and new when you get bored of it.

Of course, all that freedom means the phone has more options, features, and thus is more complicated to use for the inexperienced user.

Complexity also means more chance to have bugs, but also the possibility to find workarounds or fixes.

Windows Mobile is aimed at those users.

Until now, Windows Mobile phones usually have much less attractive Gui than the iPhone, and thus were usually bought by people who know what Windows Mobile is.

The HTC HD2 is different in that matter though, for the first time, there is a Windows Phone which is visually very appealing (both the hardware and software) and attracts a lot of people who never used anything else than Nokia, iPhone and other easy to use phones.

Of course, many of those don't even try the phone before buying it, and find out it's harder to use than an iPhone and don't understand (don't want to, or are not capable of understanding).. which then causes those "hate" threads and frustrated questions.

I personally love the HD2 and am glad to have bought it

While I did find a few small problems, they were all easy to fix and it is by far the best phone I've ever had (or ever tested).

I'm guessing you've never used a Windows Mobile phone before, so I'll try to give you advice on how to solve your problem with the keyboard (though I have no trouble at all with it personally).

You should know that there are a lot of alternative keyboards that you can download (some are free, some not), and some of them are really good.

For example, you might want to try Swype (the Samsung software keyboard) or SlideIT, but there are many other good software keyboards you should try before abandoning all hope for the HD2 and complaining about it.

You can install any of those keyboards to replace the original one.