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[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
Preliminary Discussion about installing iGO8 on a Jade Clone

As a former Mod of another iGO8 Forum, I am amazed by difficulties encountered by some users when it comes to installing iGO8. I know that language and computer skills play a factor, but if you're capable of following instructions, installing iGO8 is not that hard.

Almost a year I upgraded my PDA, a Dell Axim x51V, to iGO8. Prior to that I was using ONC6. IMHO, iGO8 is considerably better than other satellite navigation (SATNAV) programs. While most have caught up it in terms of features like displaying 3D features, what seperates iGO8 is the ability to adapt skins to modify iGO8's display. Combined with route planning and saving, iGO8 easily beats the competition.

I specifically mentioned PDA because when you buy iGO8 (which I highly encourage you to do), NavNGo or its retailers will tell you that as a smartphone owner you should use the PDA version.Unfortunately the PDA version does allow text-to-speech (TTS) which is one feature that every SATNAV program is desired by all users. About three months after using the PDA version, I learned how to quote upgrade to the Personal Navigation Assistant (PNA) version which has TTS capability.

I then bought a PNA that did not come with iGO8 and successfully modified it to run iGO8. After I became an iGO8 Mod, I helped develop procedures for installing iGO8 on a car mounted double din (2DIN) SATNAV unit. It came in handy when I helped an Uncle install iGO8 on his new car. About two months later when I lost my cell phone, I upgraded that phone to a Jade Clone and successfully installed iGO8 on it too. About two weeks ago, I helped my brother install iGO8 on his smartphone. If you're keeping count, that is six different installations. The hardest one was the PNA installation but that was because of the mortscripts involved.

Installing iGO8 is easy if you have a gameplan which I will lay out for you. Over the next five days I will develop this thread to take you from preparing your Jade Clone to actual installation and usage.

You will need to stay patient and be willing to follow directions explicitly - IF you do, installation of iGO8 on your Jade Clone will be easy!
[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
The Game Plan for Installing iGO8 on a Jade Clone

On every platform or system I have installed iGO8 on, I have had a game plan. Basically the plan is to use the KISS theory: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Most botched installations occur because the user tried to have their system do too much or over-complicated the installation. There are six parts to the game plan I will recommend to my fellow Jade Clone owners:

1. Preparation and turn-on of the GPS chip.

2. Selection of the right version of iGO8.

3. Backing up the SD card sent by NavNGo.

4. Minimizing the number of files on this SD card so that iGO8 will compile quickly and in a minimum amount of time.

5. Having the correct sys.txt file.

6. Choosing a skin.

Each day I will cover one of these topics just like a coach who is preparing his team for victory. If you're willing to be patient, read carefully and follow instructions, iGO8 will be a breeze to install.

The first topic will be posted later today. . .
[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
Backing up the SD card sent by NavNGo - Read and Heed!

I would be willing to bet that many of you are unaware that an SD card can be corrupted if your smartphone makes an incorrect read/write action to it!!! Usually this action occurs as the result of a program making a read/write action as the phone is being shutdown. Or, it can occur because one program has locked part of the card while another is trying to access it.

I've seen it a number of times on my PDA and just saw it last night on my Jade Clone. Normally your system will be able to access the directory where the corrupted entry (entry can be a file or even the entire directory) is located on the SD card. The way you can possibly tell your card is corrupted is if you are having problems with programs not running correctly off the SD card.

Or, if when you insert your SD card into a Windows computer, that system should tell you that it needs to do a chkdsk scan of your SD card because it has detected your SD is corrupted. Most times chkdsk will not do harm to the SD card but it can cause cross-linked files, delete incorrect entries and even deny access to directories.

Your best answer to preventing corrupted SD cards is to back up your SD card. I have a working copy and a protected unused copy (two seperate SD cards). I rotate my working copy and when I make changes will back up the card to it and protected unused card which sits in a special shelf.

I first noticed a corrupted directory because my PDA shut down accidently while running iGO8 off my original card. While the program ran again when I reapplied power to the PDA, I noticed that I could not access some maps and stored routes. Several directories had become corrupted and unreadable.

NavNGO will tell you to back up your card to your computer immediately if you only buy iGO8 on an SD card. If you buy the DVD with more maps on it, it will have a back up directory of iGO8 on it BUT:

iGO8.exe is a protected file that only works with the original SD card!!!

In the event that your original SD card becomes corrupted, iGO8 can be reinstalled to either from an update or a NavNGO DVD.

That is why you NEED to do a back up!

Fortunately this problem is minimized by the test drive version that was linked in a previous post in this thread!
[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
6. Choosing a skin

Choosing a skin is a pretty difficult subject to discuss. What is an iGO8 skin you ask? Well, like other EXE files that are skinnable which means a graphic overlay can be used to change the normal appearance, iGO8 skins expand upon the basic interface to present not only the map appearance but also the way information is presented by the GPS.

To give you an example, when black and white televisions first came out most people thought what will they think of next. When color TV came out, some probably thought that was the end all experience. Next came big screen TVs followed by HDTV, gas plasma screens and next year 3D TV.

An iGO8 skin takes the color experience and brings it up an extra level almost comparable to HDTV - it is that radical in thought to see how the basic interface is modified to give more useful information. NavNGO built skin capability into its product years ago and iGO8 users have developed skins to enhance other users' experiences.

Choosing one skin is like putting you in a candy shop and telling you to tell everyone else what the best candy is - you can't do it! You would almost have to lock yourself into the shop, try all the candies and then decide for yourself which is best.

So it is with skins.

PRIMARY SKIN SITES

When I want information on what is going with skins, I go to two different sites to see what is on the cutting edge:

http://artwork-igo8.blogspot.com/

http://www.i-go8.com/

Both these sites usually do reviews of skins as new versions arise.

PRIMARY FOUR SKINS

As for skins themselves, I know of four major skins:

diMKA homepage: www.igo8mods.com

Gurjon homepage: www.gurjon.com/

Riks homepage: http://www.skin.riks.us/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=3

Ultra skin: http://linknetonline.co.uk/igo8/index.html

There is a fifth skin called kikker but it's only available usually as a Rapid$hare link. I don't follow or use that skin. You would have to google it to find links to it which won't be included here because they change.

CHOOSING A SKIN

As with choosing a smartphone, you have to do your research on which skin is best for you. Each of us will have a different opinion. I have indicated which skin I prefer but will not mention it in this post as I would like all of you to visit the four primary skin homepages to make your own choice.

Skins really enhance the iGO8 interface which IMHO is the best anyway. Once you decide on a skin, you need to stay on that skin's homepage to keep up with changes and to ask questions as needed.

Skins take the 3D iGO8 screen to new heights. You are the one who chooses which skin will be your elevator to the heights.

Good luck in your choice!
[Touch 3G General] marspl:
Hello i wanted to ask, does a Jade clone work good with GPS? i mean does it find u like a normal GPS reciever? Finding "every" step u make cuz mine i move 100 meter it finds you, 100 meters and finds again and again, i still didnt have a lot of time to be outside for about 40min with ith on (got it a couple of weeks ago)

Thank you in regards
[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
If you follow the game plan to have WM manage the GPS and install GPSToggle you shouldn't have a problem with your GPS.

Part 1. That being said, your question has a two part answer to it. The first is that every GPS has an inherent lag to it. 100 meters is a too short a distance to gage this lag by.

Part 2. If you are trying to gage this lag with a GPS program, unless you are a geocaching program that shows a larger scale map and your GPS displacement (foot traffic) as what might be seen as someone directly overhead you at the same speed - a GPS program like iGO8 will not show the lag accurately or even your displacement because it uses a smaller scaled map. GPS programs like iGO8 are built to show your displacement at higher speeds than normal foot traffic.

If you don't use an app like GPSToggle to turn on your GPS, you will have problems.
[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
GPS Tweak to improve iGO8 performance

While reading this thread, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=523676 and thanks to beast0898 and monx®, I found some Registry tweaks that really improve the performance of iGO8. You will need a program like PHM Registry to add the following keys in your Registry:

ALL VALUES DECIMAL

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Drivers]

"InputBufferSize"=dword:00000200

"OutputBufferSize"=dword:00000200

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\Multiplexer]

"MaxBufferSize"=dword:00000200

Before adding these keys, you should backup your Clone because Registry tweaks if done incorrectly can affect its overall performance.

I noticed that when I added these three keys that GPSToggle now locks usually within 15 seconds of the app turning on the Clone GPS. Previously, it took usually longer than 30 and as long 45 seconds.

I always stay on my Today homescreen to see GPSToggle's satellites bar connect with four indicators meaning the Clone is capable of 3D satellite navigation (satnav).
[Touch 3G General] sintoo:
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[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
New Navteq 2Q 2009 maps released

I read somewhere that NavNGO is "trying to get it right" with future releases especially their software releases. They were releasing new versions every few weeks which in some cases corrected one error but introduced another. The Driver Alerts feature probably tipped the cart because now they either had a buggy version or just one map that worked with those versions.

Hopefully, NavNGO learned something from those versions and is most likely the reason we are now just seeing NavTeq Q2 maps. I would be willing to bet NT released the Q2 maps on their normal schedule but NavNGO held them back. In a vendor's case like NavNGO, it has to encode the maps to work with its product. If they "got it right" and are now just releasing those maps, hopefully we will see a new version soon that will enhance the Driver Alert feature. There are even rumors of an iGO9 floating around. . .

You may have noticed that last week several articles entitled GPS Cell Phone Apps Challenge Standalone Devices (see http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/11/29/travel/main5826719.shtml - I read it first on Yahoo News, followed it to CBS News, CNET and then the AP author who wrote it). The gist of that article is that standalone apps like iGO8 and TomTom are challenging PNAs and PNDs which is forcing PNA manufacturers to become creative. REASON: Most everyone has a cellphone and more than likely will have a smartphone be it an iPhone, Android, or WM device. In essence by either using Google Maps (if you have a reliable GPRS signal and unlimited data plan) or or an app like iGO8, a smartphone now combines a cell phone, camera, GPS and PDA.

In some Forums I am part of (and one that I am sworn to double-secret probation), smartphone apps along with in-dash automobile satnav programs are where the market is pointing. If NavNGO is smart, it's probably working on iGO9 that will targeted towards those platforms. NavNGO has always been big on bundling, my bet is that they are working on bundles that will put their product on the leading-edge products.

As with any release, I usually wait a while until I get feedback on how good or bad the release is. You might want to do the same with these NT 2009 Q2 maps.
[Touch 3G General] ronp76:
iGO 2009 Coming soon to Windows Mobile phones

Last week on another Forum I part of, one of the more experienced members released info on NavNGO's new iGO 2009. Don't know yet if the satnav program will be called iGO9 but that is what it has called in private posts I have been following. Here is the link to the undeveloped page:

http://www.igomyway.com/en/#

Supposedly NavNGO is working on improving much of the features we have seen in iGO8 like the Driver Alerts. While some users are worried that NavNGO will leave behind the PNA market, I find that hard to believe.

The primary reason for that is because the PNA version is easily adapted to other platforms like PDAs, 2Dins and smartphones. And knowing some characters on other boards, I am sure they will find a way to make it compatible with their old devices. Hopefully it will be more user-friendly towards finger-friendly smartphones and possess TTS. Some companies mistakenly think of smartphones as being PDAs and iGO8 did not have TTS available for its PDA version.

Most users like me have more than one platform or device. I presently have a PDA and smartphone. Plus I provide "expert advice" to my Brother and a friend who have a different smartphone and PNA respectively. Still, NavNGO has promised to release maps for those platforms up till 2010. Personally I don't travel in too many newly built up areas. So, my future 2010 maps will mostly likely serve me for at least two to three years beyond.

iGO9 probably will not be out much before February 2010 but I could be wrong (I hope; I hope)!
[Touch 3G General] kris555:
I tried to use version Nav.N.Go.iGO.8.v8.3.2.64029 (from your link).Followed all "game" steps,switch on the GPS, install IGO,but every time when try to start the program - the same one error massage :initialization error:no voice files were found.

In fact ,i download voice files(folder was empty) and past them i different variants-zipped,unzipped,in sub folder,directly in "voice" folder-but the result is the same one-can not start IGO.

Also,when change original sys.txt with your - IGO not start.Have a message :

Filed to open file:igo\240_320\loading.bmp exiting application.

So,can you help me where is my mistake?
[Touch 3G General] ozonzworld:
One solution

Hi,

I have as you, a Jade clone with MARVELL cpu. under WM 6.1 see also:

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I tried unsuccessfully to use GPSToggle with IGO, but it never work.

GPSToggle goes to lock 5 state, but no program has worked (Tomtom, Igo, beelineGPS...) but i followed exactly the tutorial.

So. I found one solution by pure chance. The only things that I made are:

A registry edit: \HKLM\System\State\Hardware\GPSState : put 1, and i saw the blue light blinking, and put 0 to turn off GPS chip.

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So I set the windows parameter as this:

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And it's working perfectly.

I set Igo as WM:

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When I start Igo8, the GPS chip turn on, automatically, when I quit Igo8, the GPS chip turn off. The fix is maded fast (less than 1 min).

(for the screenshot I was inside, in a building)

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Enjoy.

PS: I can't put image from imagehack, if an administrator can unlock my account, i't would be nice. Thanks in advance.
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
I been doing a deep search on Google and haven't found nothing about skype for windows mobile 6.5.

Wish leave me to the conclusion that only Fring and Nimbuzz be our only alternative and in my cases been in China i only have Nimbuzz winch does well on wifi but very bad on 3g, since fring has be blocked recently.

I would appreciate of other alternatives or if by any miracle in how to run skype mobile 3 on Leo thanks :)
[HD2 General] clubtech:
Just install Skype mobile? it works fine for me on my HD2.
[HD2 General] HasC:
To make things easier, here's the link:

http://www.skype.com/intl/en-gb/mobile/?cm_mmc=PAIDS|GAWS-_-EMEAF|GB|EN-_-BD|SOFTW-_-zf8xa4
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
skype mobile for htc hd2

Oh that is good news, for what i read i thought there was no skype mobile application running on windows mobile 6.5 !

Be nice if you tel me which version of skype mobile you are talking about :cool:

By the-way I will love to hear your comments about Skype on Leo, I am tented in buying one and I do a lot of use of skype for my work.

Thanks
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
The latest version of Skype from their website is working well.

However, the internal speaker is not working for me.
[HD2 General] hyellow:
the xperia has a special version of skype, wich uses the internal speaker, however, installing it on any other device is not a problem, only when running it, it says that it's not compatible with this device..... so only for xperia.
[HD2 General] AgentBignose:
Jep, Skype is working.

Bad sadly, as usual on Windows Phones, only with Loudspeaker not with Earpiece.

So does Earpice activation work with xperia Version?
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Still, it should be possible to use bluetooth headset with Skype.

Didn't checked with HD2, but got it working in HD.
[HD2 General] hyellow:
yes, i had an xperia and i used skype with the earpiece, you may download and install it and check if some reg settings enable you to use the xperia version on the HD2, i don't have the time right now.
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
Skype experience on HTC HD2

Can wait you tel us how is the chating interface, for me is the must important issu the call option i dont use it as offten i,m interested in file sharing and chating window.

Some pictures be great thanx :D
[HD2 General] Sky Forever:
run attachment and all sounds will be in ear speaker. Solution for me to talk via Skype.
[HD2 General] gareth824:
:D It's brill on the HD2. Miles better than what I remember on the iPhone. You can actually keep it running in the background :eek:

and it works with the bluetooth headset.
[HD2 General] eskasi:
Does this actually work for the HD2 or perhaps even other phones like the Diamond 2?
[HD2 General] Sky Forever:
I tested it with Diamond 2, Touch Pro 2, HD 2 - it works. Just run it and while programm runs in background - all sounds via earspeaker. But don't forget close it after all or you miss callring :)
[HD2 General] eskasi:
Buddy, you are awesome! Thanks for this!
[HD2 General] chimpsinties:
What does this file do? and why is it in an exe not a cab? :confused:
[HD2 General] eskasi:
You run it... the leave it open and open Skype. All audio is then routed through the earpiece. You speak like you would on a normal phone.

Running skype alone without this would mean needing to use BT headphones or the headset or sound comes from the loudspeaker... THis app is extremely useful if you use Skype!!
[HD2 General] astralmistral:
i have the same problem on HD2, this sounds like a solution, i will try it. thanks for the file. otherwise i might just use the headset came with it.

chimpsinties,

Is this your GPRS Monitor capable of showing GSM RF related parameters like Field Test? Where did you download it? Is it capable of Monitoring UMTS too?

and a few more things with Skype:

#1

I have S2S lock and I like it as many times I forget to lock my phone, but it kicks during a Skype call and kills audio... dont want to disable S2S, nor want to put my phone on charger.

There is a option in Skype's Menu/Setting, namely "Prevent device stand-by mode when online". Changing this parameter does not seem to make any difference...

#2

How can I get Skype to remember my password? However I dont want Skype to start up automatically

#3

auto change between landscape and portrait modes based on G-sensor is possible somehow?

thanks!
[HD2 General] chimpsinties:
The GPRS traffic monitor has the following options that are not configurable. You can select between what's there but you can't add more yourself. I guess it auto detects what's available cos when I had the TMobile shim in it knew to look for that connection instead. This is just a trial version but does what I need it so I've not looked into what the pro version gets you.

You just select the connections you want to monitor and what your limit is, when your billing date is.

Then it lets you know how much you've used that day/month/total etc

You could look into it more at http://www.efficasoft.com
[HD2 General] bestbay:
Thank so much for the file,, it worked very well with my HD2
[HD2 General] astralmistral:
thanks chimpsinties! I will have a look, seems to be a useful app especially because i have got 500MB free mobile web per month.

the audio redirector works fine with Skype and Youtube apps on my HTC HD2.
[HD2 General] maxnik1:
I have a question. When I am using skype over 3G and the device is in standby and someone sends me a message - how can I get sound or LED notification? Right now it does nothing, I have to unlock the device and see that there is a notification in the status bar. Any help is appreciated.
[HD2 General] mikeis18:
Hi all, I've just installed Skype and the TROCA exe file, and I must say it works really well! When I'm using bluetooth, the conversation is noisy, I can hardly make out what's being side on the other end, and the other end says I sound like i'm in a rainy environment. TROCA makes it all better.

But the problem I have is, while taking a call on Skype, I end up touching the screen with my face/ears, and god knows what might pop out. When I ended my last call, the phone was telling me whether I'd like to reset my phone to apply tweaks. There's a proximity sensor that turns off the screen when making normal phone calls, so I was wondering if there's a tweak that'd make the sensor work for Skype calls too :)
[HD2 General] farshid.tavakoli:
That's exactly what I wanted to ask. Without the proximity sensor talking with earphone is irritating.

btw, by AudioRoute we can route the audio to earphone. It provides an icon in the taskbar for switching between earphone and speakerphone.
[HD2 General] blanco360:
Just to jump in, I too am using Audioroute and it's perfect.

When I make a call, I simply press the Windows Key, then "Lock".

Once the call has ended, when you swipe to unlock, Skype will automatically be on top :)
[HD2 General] mikeis18:
Great suggestions! Skype would be a breeze then :D the icon for Audioroute on the taskbar is hard to get though... especially with the Start button being sensitive. Thanks!!
[HD2 General] blanco360:
I've been testing this and not conclusive yet, but by using Audioroute to reoute to handset speaker and back, it seems to break the alarm.

I just get an alert that the alarm is ready (as in the single beep) - rather than the full alarm itself... anyone else confirm this?
[HD2 General] cugel:
Audioroute works ok (no problem with alarm after earphone/speakerphone switch) but when i lock the screen the microphone keeps working but the earphone is disabled. After unlocking and entering skype application the earphone start working again. Someone has noticed this behaviour?
[HD2 General] blanco360:
Was using Skype just now, locked it whilst using and all was good until a normal phone call came in (whilst I was still on the skype call) - the photo of the caller came along with the slide to answer, but the whole thing was locked up ... it just rang and rang until they gave up, at which point the screen became active again.