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[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] flipzmode:
All sms programs retrieve the information from the Android OS which is actually responsible for handling the information. That's why you are seeing the same thing no matter what program you are using. But quite frankly I don't know what's causing that. I remember reading about it before, but I'm not sure if people ever came to any resolution.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] certifiedsinner:
Thanks Flip...
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] codelockdown:
well it seems to me that you need to flash a new ROM to your Hero, try MCR or Fresh, or just update with the sprint update from the settings menu. Since it is Andriod OS based error, try that if that does not work, take your phone back to be exchanged.
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] certifiedsinner:
ok well i am about to load the fresh rom.. hope fully this will fix the issue..thanks for the input..
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] rocafellapat:
Thanks Flip and codelockdown...I am like certifiedsinner and tried handcent but same problem, I loved the UI but it was a bit buggy and I found myself going checking the stock sms program when i got a message so i uninstalled but I will def consider all those options, i may just end up waiting for 2.0 or possibly 2.1. Thanks again guys!
[Hero CDMA Themes and Apps] thecodemonk:
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=navclient&gfns=1&q=bankofamerica+bug+android

Sadly, the bank of america issue is a known one and I haven't seen any real fix for it.
[Hero CDMA General] izzystylez:
so has anybody tried messing with the hero to increase the speaker volume?
[XPERIA X1 General] Euroman28:
So now its final. There is NOT coming a WM 6.5 rom for the X1.

And the phone is still selling for almost 800 euros here in Denmark without subscription-plan.
[XPERIA X1 General] michaelthemage:
Yup, we know that for a long time now! And since Sony got to Ericsson, we always got screwed over by SE!

Started latest with the P series, 800 then 900 / 901 and majorly with the P990 and now the X1.

You can be sure, in 1 year when mobile 7 comes... same will be for any X series up to then!

:cool:
[XPERIA X1 General] matejdro:
800 euros?:eek:

Are you sure? You can get X2 or HD2 for less money
[XPERIA X1 General] Euroman28:
TDC here in Denmark charges 2999 kroner 403,17 euro for the x1 with a subscription-plan for 6 months. Which costs additional 2600 kroner which is around 350 euro.

If you add 400 euro + 350 euro and thats 750 euro.

So yes this phone is expensive! The X2 isn't even on the marked here in Denmark!
[XPERIA X1 General] deezy7:
It's all good....this is why we love our master developers here at XDA! There've gotta be at least a bazillion WM 6.5 roms out there for us!! :D Although I know there's nothing like an "Official" manufacturer ROM :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Ethermind:
In Belarus you can buy it for 500 USD...
[XPERIA X1 General] neonlite:
like sony ericsson is the only one, HTC is the same sh*t
[XPERIA X1 General] writinggirl:
Strange. When I bought my X1 it was saying X1, WinMo 6.1, 800x480. What I received was an X1, WinMo 6.1 and 800x480, so exactly what I was ordering and paying. I can't remember having bought/payed anything like "plus foc WinMo 6.5 if ever available". So I basically got what I payed for and there is no obligation from the SE side. My X1 does what I expect, progs are running fine.

Reminds me to make Microsoft reliable for my desktop PC not running Win7 - even worse: Why don't I get Win7 foc?

Susann
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
And that's fair......
[XPERIA X1 General] eDaniel:
Well said, Susann! ;) I second your opinion. Needless to mention the countless excellent WinMo 6.5(.1, .3) ROMS available here.
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
I paid 1000$ for mine in denmark last year

sure s/e ripped off x1 owners by not giving them the wm6.5 rom upgrade

but they are not alone htc phones from the same time also didn't get it

prob same deal with samsung and other wm models

they don't want to give us stuff for free which cost them some R&D time to make sure if "bug free"

they want us to buy a new phone then they make money blast em! :P
[XPERIA X1 General] writinggirl:
Let's talk about "ripped off". So you payed 1000$ for an X1 with a certificate issued by SE saying that one you have it, you will get 6.5 in 2009? Is that what is causing your judgement of being "ripped off"? Or is it that you were "hoping" that SE would upgrade your X1 with 6.5 and you are now disappointed that your self propelled thoughts and wishes don't come true? So somebody has to be guilty and it's never the one with the self propelled thought. It MUST BE the bad, bad industry, isn't it?

Gosh, what a world ...

Susann
[XPERIA X1 General] jkoljo:
I do not think se made any mistake with operating systems, think about it, business is business. BUT however they did crap us over with the x1 processor. Recent news have been that it actually runs at 400mhz, not the advertised and PAID 5xx mhz. This is what pisses me off the most. Advertising something that is really not there.

Sorry for the semi-offtopic, just wanted to bring some facts out.
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
The processor is 528MHz. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
Yeah let's talk about "ripped off". Did SE also annouce that their case is going to crack inevitably? That their whole interface is sluggish? That it's impossible to use the phone with fingers only? According to their ad videos it looks like it isn't a problem at all. I'm certain they're hiding it somewhere in the specs, but the only thing I can find on the first view on their homepage is "Windows Mobile" without any version number given.

Windows Mobile 6.5 is nothing more then a service pack to Win Mob 6.1 and doesn't deserve a number on it's own. It tries to fix the finger friendliness and doesn't even manage to get that systemwide. It's absolutely horrible customer service by both Microsoft and SE. With the X2 running nearly identical hardware the development resources required to get it to X1 are next to nothing. It should be in the best interest of both companies to keep their customers happy and if they want any sort of loyalty they better let me participate on their software improvements.

And yes that is something you can and should expect when you buy a premium phone. The only thing arguable here would be if it's ok to charge an extra fee to get that 'upgrade'. Outright refusing it is a punch into the face of any customer who has at least 3 brain cells left to think on it's own.
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
Hi :)

Noob here.

I am a global citizen from the Internet.

Here in my world wide country you can get one for around 350-400 USD from eBay :D :p :rolleyes:

PS: I don't work for Sony Ericsson or Microsoft, but if Sony Ericsson would have had to pay royalties to Microsoft for using their still-not-even-in-my-wetest-dreams new OS one year ago, all of your Xperia X1 phones would have costed a lot more ;)

Bill is a businessman.

Bye.

.
[XPERIA X1 General] Leddy:
Go here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=588882

Flash ROM.

Quit complaining.
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
You are a bad businessman if you think that a business is done once the customer has the good in it's hands and paid your bill. A good business is about having your customers come back to you and buy again. There is absolutely no reason to buy the X2 just because you want 6.5. There is plenty of reason to be discontent with SE refusing to give you that simple upgrade without buying a new phone.

I don't know what sort of contracts they have with each other, but it doesn't matter. 6.1 and sticking to it is a disgrace for both companies. SE knows for quite a long while that 6.5 is coming and they probably could have bought appropriate licences for a year. 6.5 wont cost more then 6.1 does and it's not that expensive either way. I don't know what you consider to "cost a lot more" but a windows mobile licence costs something in the range of 8-15$. Absolutely nothing compared to price of the device.
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
Way to get a plaster when you need a surgery. Flashing roms without any quality control is not a cool thing to do on a premium phone and certainly not enough to remove the blame on SE. They try to sell this thing to business customers and nobody sane who needs this phone for daily work is going to risk it with third party rom hacks (and that is ignoring the illegal nature of it).

I don't have any ill will towards the cooks here and it's not their fault, but whatever they can do is nothing more then a private hacking project, stabbing around the dark and hoping for the best. We have no idea what changes between various base roms nor related software releases. It's impossible for the official SE developer to put together a firmware without issues even having full documentation and support by MS. It's hardly surprising that some cooked roms get even fundamental things broken.
[XPERIA X1 General] flamingsamurai:
I really don't think that Sony has any obligation to give 6.5 to us. Its not the norm of industry nor did they ever promise to us that they would. Its akin to buying a laptop that's over a year old, and then demanding that Sony must give you Windows 7. Its absurd to expect that.
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
- it would be absurd if you would unable to get windows 7 legally onto your laptop, if you lock up the device you're also responsible for upgrades

- sony probably offers win7 drivers for all laptops sold in the last 3 years

- all laptops currently sold with vista can be updated to win7 for free

- again 6.5 is a service pack not exactly a new OS, win mobile 7 probably will be out in less then a year. those number jumps dont compare to desktop os

- apple manages to provide iphone updates for all their devices, even for free - in terms of smartphones they currently define what 'industry norm' is
[XPERIA X1 General] Leddy:
You can buy Windows 7 at retail, you cannot buy WM6.5 at retail.

WM is device firmware. Windows 7 is not.

Scientific calculators get firmware revisions every so often, but you don't see Casio providing free firmware upgrades do you?
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
Besides the fact that I didn't come up with that comparision, what difference does it make where the OS is stored? In both cases it can be rewritten and SE does provide other minor firmware upgrades.

The part you are ignoring here is that SE deliberately decides to not provide WM6.5, not that it would be not available or impossible. It's SE saying into your face "screw you, you're not getting it". As can be seen with other devices from other companies, it's possible to provide an official upgrade path for windows mobile.

Pretty much any electronic device on the market has a firmware, I fail to see what a scientific calculator has to do with a smartphone. As mentioned the iphone does that fine. Even Sony has no problems to provide major firmware upgrades for their playstation.

As I also already stated, it can be argued whether that should be for free or not - but not providing it at all is spitting into the faces of educated customers.
[XPERIA X1 General] harveydent:
SE won't give an official X1 6.5 upgrade because it wants to sell the X2. all the complaining in the world won't change that. And for every X1 user who boycotts SE because of the lack of upgrades, SE has 3 other suckers to take your place.
[XPERIA X1 General] jkoljo:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4994538&postcount=553
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
Why would anybody but a hardcore Window Mobile loyalist buy an X2? For the overpriced hardware? For the sluggish, laggy software? For the lack of finger friendliness? Whatever goodwill SE had when they entered the WM market with X1 - it's now burned. They're obviously unwilling and unable to fix their software. You're delusional if you think that SE can create customers out of thin air with a subpar product and a track record of failed customer support. You can pull that nonsense strategy of no quality, no support if you're a budget producer, but for a premium product it's the perfect recipe for fail.

Android is running WM already into the ground and unless WM7 next year becomes a revelation it'll eventually get wiped off the market. Of course even if WM7 turns out to be great, SE customers will be screwed over again as they don't get any update. I wasn't exactly pleased with X1, but I decided I can live with it. But if SE thinks they can show the middle finger to me, then I'll do my best to proactively dissuade others from buying their phones.
[XPERIA X1 General] writinggirl:
I have heard a lot of nonsense already but the message is that if you believe you already heard the best, there still is someone who can provide even more nonsens. Just a small side note: Whatever YOU think 6.5 is, doesn't really matter. You havn't payed 6.5, you havn't been promised 6.5 so what makes you think you are entutled to receive it? If you can't use your phone the way it was showen in the promotion video, it tells us more about your abilities than about a "rip-off" by SE. It's a more general problem: as a customer you can select and decide what product you buy. As a manufacturer can can select the product you produce but you can't select your customers. This way you always have customers ... out of the ordinary. I'm happy with my X1.

Susann
[XPERIA X1 General] writinggirl:
Yeah, I shall remember this when buying android stuff and trying to run my WM software I need .... Android is a nice try for Twitter and Facebook phone fans but I use my X1 for biz and productivity sw that is just ignoring Android just like they ignore iPhone. Funnyly, that stuff I need is running perfectly well on my X1 WinMo 6.1 and I don't even want 6.5 because it creates more problems in my case than stable 6.1.

And to all those guys having these lovely phantasies about what a better bisz man would do: enter the biz, produce your own product, pay your own licences and try not to forget your fancy ideas you had when starting your biz. Meanwhile I shall contact my BMW dealer again why he doesn't upgrade my 3class convertible from 2002 to a 2009 model free of charge.

Susann
[XPERIA X1 General] harveydent:
Notice the video ads for the various SE "flagship" phones? The Satio is not being marketed for it's symbian OS with resistive 3+ inch touchscreen. The X10 is not being marketed for it's Android OS. and the X2 is not being marketed for being WM with a QWERTY. Instead, the ads sell the phones as "look! a shiny, stylish new phone! it's cool! it's hip!" That's where SE gets most of its customers right now, and that's where majority of the X2 buyers will come from. Not everyone looks at the phone's specs before buying one. And that's why SE will continue to sell crappy phones and people will still buy them even if this entire site boycotts them.

I've seen an online listing for the iPhone with nothing in the description but "so you can be cool"

Note that I said "majority". I'm sure a lot of members here have read the X2 specs and reviews and are buying it. But it's still a small percentage of those who are SE's target market.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Who told that bull**** about a free Win7 from Vista switch?
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
Ah ha, thanks for letting us know.

Oh yeah, when my X1 doesn't load instantly or menu items and icons are to small to be actually touched as shown in their promo vids then it certainly will be my problem and not that the device is to slow and their ads lying. That stylus must have gotten there by accident. That must be some advanced state of denial if you think that SE has delivered all they promised. 6.5 would be a chance for SE to make up for other crap which I have to accept and it's something they could do without a problem. Easily shown by their competition.

I guess you should quickly buy 5 X1 then, just to have some spares once they stop producing it altogether for a lack of market.

Was that an poor attempt at showing off or did you actually want to make clear that you lack even the slidest clue on the differences between soft- and hardware? I'm inclined to quote again your first paragraph. I guess your main use of the X1 is actually to act as makeup mirror while it's busy with itself. :rolleyes:

Well I would assume that the more tech guys here act as multiplicator who get asked what to buy. If it were just for the shiny they could save the resources to develop for 4+ different OS and just go ahead with one.

Pretty impressive rock you've been hiding behind. It's what literally every pc/laptop manufactor did from july on. E.g. http://www.lenovo.com/us/en/windows7/
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
"Let's talk about "ripped off". So you payed 1000$ for an X1 with a certificate issued by SE saying that one you have it, you will get 6.5 in 2009?"

no of cause they did not

I also have a shuttle pc which had xp on it when I got that nowhere did it say

that I would be able to install windows7 on it heck back then vista was not even out yet

time passed and windows7 came out and my shuttle pc had the power to run it

so I paid for and installed windows7 on it and sure I had to update the bios but no biggie

I would have felt "ripped off" is even though it had the juice to run windows7 if shuttle had not made the bios update to fix issues with windows7 even though they never mentioned it when I bought the pc

sure with windows mobile we can't buy the os anywhere so we have to depend on the maker of the phone to give and or sell us upgrades and like if my pc maker makes that impossible I feel ripped off as do I when they jump ship on my phone which these days

have become enough like pc's for me to justify this line of reasoning

it's all part of the idea that people only have their phone for 1-2years and then get a new one with the contract or when they change to a new contract where the phone company pay most the price but in the process tie them to a subscription

for people like me who pay full price for their phone we kinda like to use it for 4 year+

before the x1 I had a himalaya it came with wm2003 and later got unoffical roms wm5, wm6, wm6.1 and now wm6.5

this made it less bothersome for me to have it all these years before I got the x1
[XPERIA X1 General] sonus:
I actually did get a free Win7 upgrade from Sony for my Vaio Z, which I bought in June/July. I didn't even have to pay for shipping. I wouldn't call that bull****...

That being said, I don't think SE "owes" it to us to provide a WM6.5 ROM. They do however owe us a panel manager update so that we can run the new panels natively. That would be both "bad business" and just foolish on Sony's part, if they are serious about pushing panel develpment, to aleinate panel developers from the entire X1 group.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
@musschrott @sonus

Manipulation

The Windows 7 upgrade is provided for a NEW laptops customers buying a device lately, in the promotional Windows 7 time.

It doesn't happen to any laptop able to run Windows 7 and running Vista

(Like mine HP)

Microsoft sells upgrade packages, not giving it for free.

So - wrong thinking - it's not a rule.

As for X1:

Of course we would happy to have the upgrade.

Would be nice, we're always happy to get something good for free.

But it was nowhere promised - the upgrade.

It's not coming to most of WM phones either

including some newer HTC ones.

It's not a rule that the OS upgrade is delivered for free to devices.

Never happened to Symbian.

It happens in some cases.

Apple does that, probablt Android too,

but these OSes are so immature: they have some basic lacks to be covered.

So I think there's no "rip off" by SE.
[XPERIA X1 General] Leddy:
@musschrott

I think you're too used to the idea of Windows being a drop in upgrade (as it is on PC)

I'm sure you notice that it is not the case for Windows Mobile, just take a look at the work on the ROMs (it's not quite as simple as switching the SYS/XIP). Every firmware upgrade takes a lot of additional work, especially for a phone where it is expected that the OS be completely bug-free. (There isn't such an expectation for PCs because they can be patched over the internet automatically.)

In any case, I don't understand why you're on XDA complaining about SE. We're here to give you options, and we do give you options. Just flash one of the ROMs over at the ROM dev forum and be happy. There's nothing we can do about SE not providing the X1 with an official update; if you wish to complain about that, then go straight to SE and do so.
[XPERIA X1 General] hungry81:
LOL @ musschrott

musschrott you whinging nancy, Stop whining and buy something else if you so wish. Your posts give the impression that you seem to think that you are owed something here. Despite the fact that I have read each one of your tantrums that you seem to feel constitute posts, I still have no idea why this is so.

We have established that you are too lazy, incompetent or scared to rectify your primary problem by utilizing the files on this site. We have also established you don't like the phone because you are too incompetent to use it without a stylus. This does not advance your point anymore than reading your whinge advances any feelings of sympathy I have for you. All your points are subjective, are totally irrelevant to your issue of no free upgrade, are discussed elsewhere, and for the most part solved through XDA user ingenuity.

I personally did not purchase the X1 solely because of its looks, I did so after researching competing phones for about six months. I highly suggest you do the same next time to avoid disappointment.

regards

Chris

Oh and PS: Whilst cracking is annoying the X1 is far from the only phone to have that problem. http://www.crunchgear.com/2008/07/30/question-is-your-white-iphone-cracking/ (yes folks that's an iPhone OMG!!!1111!!!!)
[XPERIA X1 General] musschrott:
Well nobody claimed that if you have Vista you get Win7 for free. I explicitly said "currently sold with vista". Which is ofc in contrast to current X1 units who have no chance to get WM6.5 through (free or paid) legal means. And again I didn't came up with that whole Windows vs. Windows Mobile thing.

A long legacy isn't necessarily a sign of maturity, but overhead and inflexibility. To make them on par with current demands of smartphones might take more effort then starting over from the scratch. (Which ofc isn't an option if you want to use the old apps.) I'm pretty certain I read that even Ballmer said he isn't happy with WM6.X and can't wait for 7 finally to come.

We're having an argument here about whether or not SE should provide updates. Apparently some people here think it's ok that way and others not, which is usually how discussions start. Whatever XDA offers in that case has little to do with SEs obligations.

I don't expect SE to provide 6.5 because you can update normal windows versions, I expect them to do so because they can with relatively little effort. If they wouldn't have touched 6.5 that would be something different, if they wouldn't have produced a nearly identical device it might be unreasonable. But as things are it's simply refusing customer support.

Given your generous amounts of free time just go ahead and read all posts a couple times again and eventually even you might be able to figure it out.
[XPERIA X1 General] writinggirl:
While reading all that stuff, it reminds me of my grandfathers saying. "Never argue with fools. They will only pull you down to their level, then beat you with experience."

Susann