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[General Topics] quicksite:
Hi, respectfully, I would like for you to defend this statement with specifics. Maybe I will learn a lot I still do not know. But I am challenging you on the face of this statement.

I just read above a comment by someone above, nothing to do with you, that renders the Motorola droid just an end-product of marketing and hype. Bull****. I have not used it. But its processor, hardware, keyboard, and robust OS give it, in today's world, almost NO LIMITATION. And if the proper business apps do not exist yet for that device, they surely will in rapid succession.

Valid negations of an OS or hardware are all fair game, and should be debated and vetted for accuracy. But these water balloons being tossed at an entire OS and huge emerging "ecosystem" of devices and products seems, i hate to say it, but... babyfied. Let's get the specifics on the table.
[General Topics] quicksite:
This is a very valid concern, and I missed mentioning it in my first post. I *TOTALLY* miss being able to use a stylus.. not just for minute navigational control and selection-precision, but also for the ability to take handwritten notes... something I used daily on my T-Mobile WING, for phone call notes etc.

As soon as I got my Hero and started using it, I asked here at XDA: what's the big deal about capacitive screens? So far i find them inferior in every way. .. I got some answers re lighter touch etc... but i totally reject any argument based on "gestures" and multi-touch. When iphone touted its pinch-zoom, I looked at it and said to self, wow, just what I need, a whole new source of repetitive stress injury, now using the micro-muscles of my fingers, thumb and hand. Meanwhile: CUT TO: Opera Mini on WM and big deal. ZOOM? tap-tap, done.

Same with photos: zoom? tap-tap. done, less exertion, greater precision with certain UIs like Rescoe Picture Viewer. Rotation? huh? Works perfectly on resistive screen, requires no multi-touch. I think that os the biggest hype of the whole touchscreen industry.

Thus, I agree with this poster, resistive screens are WAY more welcome to me. Now, as to your question: There IS one HTC device running android on resistive... HTC Tattoo > http://www.last100.com/2009/12/04/review-htc-tattoo-vs-htc-hero-androids-mass-market-future/ and http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/08/htc-tattoo-has-resistive-touchscreen-a-few-regrets/

Also, HTC has been busy at work developing a capacitive screen stylus... maybe someone here knows some more info about its progress. All i last read was that it was in the patent stage.
[General Topics] quicksite:
What does this have to do with the OS? It's just not yet a developed feature set in apps on android. .. But as to Pocket Player -- yes, an amazing app that I was happy to pay for -- until I found here at XDA microfi's NITROGEN (for windows mobile), a way more lean, finger-navigable, equalizer-equipped music player.

This is not a valid OS issue, in my opinion.
[General Topics] quicksite:
I totally agree with this. I'd much prefer resistive screen and stylus.
[General Topics] quicksite:
And what about handwritten notes jotting down, or architect or graphic designer quickly sketching out a layout... Or you're at Home Depot and want to quickly illustrate for sales clerk what your shelf project design looks like.

Sorry, that kind of unilateral statement is... I have to say.. not thought through.
[General Topics] quicksite:
Your post is a true thing of beauty -- driving a stake in the heart of an ill-thought-out overly-dismissive statement by prior poster.
[General Topics] shata:
wow im surprised WM is winning this poll, i think android has better features, apps and runs better but thats from my horrible T-mobile wing experience back in day.
[General Topics] shata:
You know one thing though thats bad about those nail,finger,stylus screens? They scratch, and can break much easier - I personally like the captive ones cause i dont have to worry about keys and phone being in same pocket.

Hows that for a stake? =)
[General Topics] quicksite:
yeah but that's barely a trickle of a user sample. It would be thrown out immediately by any statistical poller.

For one thing, it really depends a lot on WHERE threads exist on XDA, and who sees them at any given time.

My experience has been: People who are busy/actively modifying their phones, be they WM or Android, are usually hanging out on the developing/hacking and phone-specific forums.

I think from the comments, Android is "winning"... ha hah, especially after my 10 new posts in succession ! :)
[General Topics] quicksite:
Well, fair enough, but let's look at this in another light as well: the Girlfriend Factor. Though not all women cater to their nails, some do. And large numbers of women have been frustrated by the iPhones they bought because of this inability to make easy contact with the screen, if one's nails are longer.

But your point is well taken.. though after 2 years of use with no protection screen, my T-Mobile wing is barely degraded in its screen, and I always have problem of phone crammed inot pocket with keys, wallet, cash, coins, etc.
[General Topics] Fallen Spartan:
Could I ask what options andriod has (if any) for business use, especially for sync'ing device to pc as I'm looking at either X10 or HTC Desire as my next device and use my current phone (Blackstone) for both work and pleasure so its essential that this option is available to me on my next device
[General Topics] gom99:
I think one of the major features capacitive has had over resistive is the existence of multi-touch. But with resistive multi-touch screens available now I'm hoping to see a comeback of stylus devices.

A capacitive screen is a downgrade for me. It eliminates precision activities like handwriting and drawing.

Capacitives are more durable, but I've never really scratched my screen. I have damaged a resistive screen when someone accidentally made me stab my stylus into my screen pretty hard.

The only other advantage capacitive has over resistive is that you're capable of just touching the screen to get a response, which some people like. However, I actually like the tactile response you get from a resistive screen bending.

The courier is sure to be a resistive multitouch screen since it requires both handwriting and multitouch from the concept videos.

Much better than Capacitive imo
[General Topics] orb3000:
Sorry double post...
[General Topics] orb3000:
Bumpity bump:)
[General Topics] abbottnys:
Having had The G1 and now the HD2!!

Android all the way for me! WM is for me dead in the water on this one! I actually hate my phone so much because of it. Even the market is awful!

I can honestly say i have yet to see something in the market i'd like to download! Want to sell my HD2 asap and get myself a nexus one or a desire!
[General Topics] orb3000:
You´ll never can´t kill this thread:cool:
[General Topics] raven_raven:
I started my adventure with smartphones with Samsung Galaxy i5700, my first Android. Then I traded it for HTC Dream (because of greater support and physical qwerty keyboard). I'm a little bit of poweruser, as I love to tweak, flash and fiddle with phone. And month ago I bought my HD2. I love Android, but that was my chance to try Windows Mobile for first time in my life. And for first few days, I liked it. But after some using I started to notice more and more cons of this OS. Something is not working, something is slow, something is missing and so on. WinMo simply is OLD. Android is modern, has tons of new apps and it's simply more convenient to use. I tried WinMo and simply it's finished in my eyes.
[General Topics] sentioN:
Android is way better...for me.

It depends of what you like...i preffer android..
[General Topics] Blåburk:
Had a SE M1i Aspen for two month (actually two as the first one was a DOA).

Managed to cancel the purchase and getting my money back, instead of a third Aspen.

All I did with that phone before it stopped working was trying to find a launcher as the WM6.5 (The first WinPhone). Have no experience with WP7 and won't get me any either.

Having a X10 Mini, having no problem to browse and clicking links that is a few words like 5-10 mm long and 2-4 mm high in size, even thought I can cover the screen with four fingertips.

A greasy screen is however harder to avoid on a touchscreen phone.

Sent from a Eee PC 701 connected by Bluetooth to a Hazel dumbphone (but useful).

While the X10 Mini plays streamed music from the Spotify.
[General Topics] quicksite:
My UPDATED Question: Who is actually STICKING w/WindowsMobile for post 6.5.3 ROMS?

My UPDATED Question: Who is actually STICKING w/WindowsMobile for post 6.5.3 ROMS?

There was a lot of talk *before* WindowsPhone 7 OS debuted that it was junk, that it would be unsupported by the WinMo dev community, that it had no hooks to do anything useful beyond what MS explicitly approved, thus was ultra-limited, and locked down so tight as to be pronounced Dead On Arrival.

That was then.

I don't hear people saying this now.

Why is that?

Have people actually found WinPhone7 more interesting than they first thought?

Did MS change the level of access that devs would have to core system level functions and controls thus making is a viable platform for tweekers and customizers?

Has the allure of WinMo grown thin now since its been kicked to the curb?

These questions deserve an entire thread for themself at a top level spot at XDA -- and truly investigated in a serious way, and not some quickie portal paragraph. Let's see if XDA is up to the job of actually doing something comprehensive having to do with the roots of this entire site, and the whole modus operandi of why people spent six years developing here, building XDA into a 2-million+ member community.

Or will this just surf by like a sign of the times, everything disposable with a shelf-life of 24 hours maximum?
[General Topics] Anthonayy:
WinMo all da way.
[General Topics] mbcvx:
For example the 'multitasking experience'. With multiple programs open, in my experience the WinMo devices always slowed down at some point. I don't have this all the time with Android. With WinMo it was annoying to have a lot of apps open. In Android it's not annoying, big difference. I guess the way the multitasking works is different.
[General Topics] xaccers:
Never had a problem with too many apps open on WinMo, it's just so easy to close them even if an app doesn't have its own close button.

Android on the other hand, I seem to be forever having to go in and kill browser for example. I view sensitive client data via it, so if I don't kill it off, someone could start the browser and be straight into that data.

Browsing on droid I find is a PITA, I'll double tap to zoom in so I can then pick the link I want, and find that it's just selected one of them.

I much prefer opera 10 under WinMo.

Also none of the droid web browsers I've tried (native, opera, firefox) can cope with some of the websites I have to use, simple redirections stump it.

The droid marketplace just strikes me as a mess, the MS one is much more responsive, and has more apps that I use.

Gallery is so slow to populate, the email client is a joke, seriously my ex's old samsung could handle emails better. The droid keyboard, like the WP7 one, is awful, thank goodness for swype.

SPB MS3.5 on WinMo makes it fast and smooth, with an interface which I've yet to see beaten.

The only advantages droid has over WinMo is the ability to connect to a second exchange account and Kindle.

Everything else I use my phone for, WinMo wipes the floor with droid.
[General Topics] Solitaryangel:
i find Android better than window mobile
[General Topics] orb3000:
Amazing how this thread has more then 1 year up and only now Android is getting WM...

I think both OS has it´s good and bad points

Not having in mind that MS is killing WM due to they have no more control on it:cool:
[General Topics] Droidz88:
I've had both. I prefer the WinMO for processing power and UI. But for overall functionality I prefer Droid.
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
I liked WinMo 6.5, it wasn't bad at all. It's MUCH faster and more responsive than Android on my 528MHz phones (even overclocked to 614MHz). Those phones are downright pokey. Android is very fast and responsive on 1GHz Snapdragon phones though, that should have been a minimum system requirement!

That said, I prefer Android mainly because there are more apps for it. None of the apps I use on my Android or iPhone are available in Windows Marketplace for WM. Android native browser on my Snapdragon phones feels super fast. It does sometimes click on links when I double-tap to zoom in which annoys me, but my iPhone does that too. The #1 reason I prefer Android is it's current, but not just that, it's also thriving and growing rapidly. Its userbase is growing. I just read today that Android has surpassed Symbian as the #1 smartphone OS worldwide. WM is dead, and pretty much has been for the past 3yrs or so.

As for WP7, nothing I've read and none of the screenshots have really compelled me to have any interest in it. It looks rather bland and boring, I'm an eye candy kind of person.
[General Topics] mon012:
interface is one thing to decision and android work very well
[General Topics] Makić:
I also work on wimo, but I think is time to change that, all my friends have Iphone which I can't stand it, so I really wasn't in touch with android so I can't wait to put it on my HD2
[General Topics] Faith140291:
i think android is far better than windows mobile, simple because android system is more optimized, faster and customizable
[General Topics] xaccers:
Out of interest, what have you been able to customise on Android that you can't on WM?
[General Topics] enhernz:
this is really nice!
[General Topics] z33dev33l:
Pretty much the same as my reply.... also, at what point is it faster and more optimized? The only thing android is more optimized for is finger-friendliness. WM had its speed issues but not as bad as android... never required frequent battery pulls for me...
[General Topics] GnatGoSplat:
I can't disagree more with the "faster and more optimized" part. Android seems super slow and clunky, to me. It's sluggish, unresponsive, and super slow on 528MHz devices, even when overclocked to 614MHz. WM6.5 is much faster and responsive on 528MHz devices. I don't remember WM6.5 on a 200MHz OMAP device, but WM6.1 was perfectly fine on those. When I first got a 528MHz Android phone, even with Froyo, it was nothing but suck. It wasn't till I got 1GHz Snapdragon phones that I realized, "Oh, THIS is what Android is supposed to be like!" Android needs a 1GHz minimum system requirement.
[General Topics] JCeppli:
Android is better than windows mobile.

But windows phone 7 i never tested
[General Topics] impalerfamily:
windows MO phones are very sleek and cool looking but they dont have as much functionality as android devices.
[General Topics] impaler4lyfe:
I haz androidz!
[General Topics] Trekfan422991:
WM is the best os in existence... i have used all the major os's

android, ios, web os, rim ...

i have always come back to WM in the end...

everyone of my friends have gone android and they are not the most experienced users out there

the only thing i like on their phones as opposed to mine is they all have big screens... (definatley not angry birds)

so that is why i will prolly only ever upgrade to an HD2..

i agree that pretty much every phone os out there besides wm 6.5 are smartphones for dumb people... a smartphone should be your computer away from home...

WP7 shouldn't even be compared to WM because microsoft has caved under peer pressure in releasing a new "toy" to the public...

i have played with it ... a samsung focus to be specific.... and if WM really does loose its support i will upgrade to that...

but i dont see WM dying for a long time.. due to ppl like me who create new things to do with it everyday...

when i am designing a theme the majority of requests are for ppl with QVGA screens on devices from like 4 years ago...

i want to say no... go get yourself a new device with a WVGA screen... but i remember ..... they dont have to .... not when other people are always making new roms for them ... that old p.o.s. HTC Vogue wont die.. they got NAND android on it for gosh sakes...

this forum was built on the idea of pushing your phone to the limits... redesigning the boundries of the possible... and creating your own unique phone with its own little customizations and tweaks...

i do not feel that google as a "cloud based" company gives you this freedom...ask any IT guy if he thinks cloud computing is a good idea...

WM4E...
[General Topics] neotekz:
the homescreen...can you get rid of those tiles on windows phone 7?
[General Topics] xaccers:
WM doesn't have tiles...

WM is Windows mobile, not Windows Phone 7
[General Topics] nickel1109:
I have been using WinMo for 6 years and fed up by it. I hate the user-optimizing WinMo (although I got impressed by WM6.5.3 cooked ROM). Android is probably better in terms of user-friendliness and variety of applications.
[General Topics] german103:
I'm sure the article writer has changed his mind as of now.
[General Topics] omarquez510:
I always hated WinMo, went android and havent looked back.
[General Topics] Omnichron:
I'm a Linux guy so Android all the way. I use Ubuntu Studio!:D
[General Topics] Showtime_III:
horrible photoshopped pic. but android > windows mobile
[General Topics] wakekitty:
I used to have a WM phone and it was crashing like most of the time and have to restore my backup all over again.

I'm loving my android
[General Topics] kerex:
I used WM & Android phone, I think WM has more advantage for office application, but Android has a lot of modification...
[General Topics] renaud:
The kernel :rolleyes:
[General Topics] koolusernamehere:
Love the Android, used WM b4 but when I got my hero it was a wrapp! Can't see myself using anything else, esp w/ the XDA folks, soooo many possibilities!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VanKurt:
Hi fellas!

Here's a little freeware app for all you tea lovers out there :D

Just select how long you want to keep the bag in the tea and hit "start". A gentle alarm will remind you when to get the bag out.

Screenshot:

Features:

Animated steam

Finger friendly and animated interface

Over-time counter

Check it out (and download it) on my website: TeaMachine Homepage
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] pedmond:
Damn, you mean it doesn't ACTUALLY make the tea?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ciddy:
Too bad it pauses when one turns off the screen or sends the app to the background. Kinda defeats the purpose if the phone has to be on all the time. Nice look, would be cool if you could fix the pausing.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] howdykeith:
Hi.

I think this is kind of great.

Maybe u could make a virtual cigarette app which looked like a cigarette burning. then i could get my gf to quit finally. Touch Puff tech.

I like OpenGL apps so thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] dragon_soft:
good graphics BUT it just crashed my HD2. Set the time for 3 mins and turned the screen off, turned it back on and it was just stuck and not counting down. could not do anything to the phone, had to remove battery and turn it back on for the phone to work again.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VanKurt:
Yeah, damn right! Just put a cup under the USB port of your HD2. When the time is over tea will come pouring out. :D

Seriously:

Thanks for the tip about the screen-off bug. Actually I designed the app so that the screen would stay on (in dimmed mode) while it is running. It never came to my mind that anyone would want to turn the screen off ;)

I'll try to fix this soon...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] alexleon:
does the hd2 make coffe? NO, but i makes tea! :D

jokkin aside...with opengl will have many good lookin app like iphone...maybe stupid apps, but surely funny
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Pappagallo:
I know of a tiny app on the iPhone of a glass of beer that you can fill up, and when you tilt the screen (just as if you're drinking the beer), the glass becomes empty again.

Would be nice to have that on the HD2 as well :cool:

And of course beer as better than tea :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Jolig:
Who cares about iphone?

At xda-devs you have also an app for everything! :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] alexleon:
@pappagallo...the app of drinkin beer exists for wm!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bugsykoosh:
If you want to make coffee then you need this app:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=573661

here's the 'beer' drinking app mentioned: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=573661

I'll try the next release to see how tea brews (unfortunately in VGA cause I'm still on a Touch Pro)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bugsykoosh:
Any thoughts on resizing to VGA? I just tested it and as expected (because i'ts designed for WVGA) the bottom of the screen is cut off. if the screen merely moved up a bit it would be fine. Thanks again- aesthetically it's phenomenal.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VanKurt:
That should be no problem. Right now I'm a bit frustrated that the HD2 is so slow with OpenGL. Even this Tea app with only a hand full of triangles isn't running totally smooth... so right now I'm working on that.

Once this problem is solved I'll be happy to port this app to lower res screens :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] scilor:
Please make it work with screen off ;), for example add a button to turn screen off
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VanKurt:
I actually tried that yesterday. :D

It seems to be very difficult to make an app run while screen is turned off. Maybe someone here knows how to do that?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] cgeboers:
OpenGL

Is your app using OpenGL ? I tried to write a small test program, but it always fails when I call eglMakeCurrent(...)

Would you mind sharing your initialization code ? I tried it with C++ and some "libegl.lib" file I found on the internet. They seem to work and get the libgles* files loaded according to the debugger output, but I can not get any further then the above call, which always returns "false"
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VanKurt:
Hi there!

I based my code on this project: http://www.koushikdutta.com/2008/08/net-compact-framework-wrapper-for.html

I'm sure that will you :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Ethermind:
Doesn't work on XPERIA....
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] tuzoenduro:
There are a couple of sites that host brewing times for different kinds of tea. For example Black tea = 3 - 5 minutes, Tisane = 5-7 minutes. (http://www.artoftea.com/learn_about_tea/steeptime.html) it'd be great if you could code it as to select the type of tea you are brewing and have it count the time for you (as oposed to the app being just a stylized kitchen timer). Just a thought.

Otherwise, the application looks great, nice animation waiting for tea to brew is entertaining now :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VeEuzUKY:
Hi:)

Great idea but indeed, to be used as a timer, you need to to update it so it does not when one turns off the screen or the app is in the background as it totally defeats the purpose. Looking forward to the update and it will be a killer app:)

Keep up the awesone work! Amazing graphics by the way:)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] VeEuzUKY:
Awesome idea... :)
[HD2 General] nadderf:
This question might be asked before but i couldn't find exactly the same problem.

In the tab "Status and Events" in All Contacts, it won't update mine events? I know that i have unread messages but the phone won't download them..

Does anyone els have this problem? Any solution?
[HD2 General] nadderf:
Just me who has this problem? :(
[HD2 General] tboy2000:
Me too. In previous Leo roms on my Blackstone it worked fine. Not on Leo now.
[HD2 General] nadderf:
The only solution HTC support had was to reset the phone. And that i could work better with wifi.

After i did a reset, it worked one time?!

I emailed them again, if i solve this i let you know.

What build did it work with?