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[HD2 General] vince2773:
I'm sorry but I don't get your point - maybe I wasn't clear enough in my post.

Frankly right now I don't care whether or not HD2 will get WP7 (officially or unofficially). This because - from the little I have seen so far - to me WP7 does not look like something that fits my needs better than what I have now.

The whole speculation on whether or not an official upgrade will be available is pointless unless you assume or believe WP7 will do for you more than what WM6.5+Sense does.

Frankly I very interested in others' opinion about why they think they will want WP7.

On the other hand, IMHO second guessing the moves of MS and HTC is a total waste of time.
[HD2 General] niknik76:
I don't assume or believe the slightest that WP7 will do more for me than WM6.1/6.5 (+ SPB MS) - but it is still not pointless for me. I would like to try WP7 out for some time - to see what they did, where they succeeded and where they failed. Out of interest and to get ideas. No better place to do that than on your own phone.

Yes, I'm also generally interested in hearing why people would want WP7 as I tend to not understand it.

And guessing the moves of MS and HTC is a total waste of time - is the same as saying that guessing about the stock market is a waste of time. If you are interested in the market, why they take one decission over the other, and where the development is going - why shouldn't you be interested? Wasting your time with that in particular is another thing ;)
[HD2 General] vince2773:
Fair point. Of course assuming you can roll back ;)

Maybe I put that a little too harshly. :o

To me, understanding why WM users with cutting-edge hardware like the HD2 would (or would not) jump on the WP7 bandwagon is indeed a way of understanding where the demand side of the market is going.

And if the supply side doesn't go in the same direction ... :eek:
[HD2 General] samsamuel:
I suspect I would try wp7 in the same way I tried vista, trief it, went back to win xp and waited for it to be fixed.

wp7sp2 summer 2011 sounds about right
[HD2 General] Diegis0n:
In the end ... it doesn't really matter does it?

Official update or not, i am certain there will be more then 1 WinMo 7 ROMS out there cooked for all of those/us that wanna give it a try with the HD2 :cool:

Same with the Touch HD, i didn't get 6.5, the diamond2 did ... well it didn't stop people from upgrading their Touch HD to 6.5 by themselves did it?
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
WM6.5 is a little upgraded Version of WM6.1 with the same Windows CE Core (5.2)

WP7 is a complete new OS with the new Windows CE 6...

that means: new drivers for everything...
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Haha awesome.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Re business users vs teenagers, I was in a meeting today with some big biz big wigs. Every single freaking one of them had an iPhone. I mean, there were six people in the room and everyone except me had an iPhone. Those were not teenagers, those were not housewives, those were busy business people using their phones for communication of all kinds, from push email to plain old voice calls. So sorry, I don't buy this "I'm a business user and I want WinMo 6.x" or "MS has no chance in the business segment if they don't do multitasking" or anything of that sort. A year ago I thought so myself, and wouldn't believe if anyone told me what I'd see in a year. With this kind of iPhone penetration in all imaginable and unimaginable market segments, however, you have to be absolutely blind not to notice that none of the features we're used to consider crucial for business users matter at all.

And even though I don't like the iPhone for lots of reasons (mainly missing features, slippery body, crappy screen, PC-desktop-like Homescreen with that zoo of icons and the silly stupid annoying iTunes, which I hate with a passion), I perfectly understand those business people. iPhone just damn works. It may not do this or that, but in what it does it works. Heck, it's easier to set up MS's own pptp vpn there than on WM. Or sign up for an Exchange account with a self signed certificate. I still don't want it, but I would really love a WM phone that would work (in the same sense of the word that iPhone does). And I love the data-centric concept of the new customizable Start screen, which, IMO, is Sense UI done right. Am I ready to give up multitasking or app side-loading for it? I don't know, but I sure want to try to know. I suspect that I am.
[HD2 General] ShalaHD2:
thats not a bad thing as there's not many hardwares out there like the PC's. i think it needs a fresh start. like the consoles. every new one is totally different. pc's lack in that because they always have tobe backwards compatible.

Like 64bit vista was really good. but there wasnt too many programs that support 64bit so alot of them crashed. but if vista was 64bit only then all new programs would've been made on 64bit & taken advantage of the hardwares even better :D

whoever makes the upgrade will make sure to make the correct driver for it dependidng on the hardware. I'm happy as long as they make it for the HD2 first :) (not that i don't like the windows mobile 6.5 or anything)
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
some news concerning this in pocketnow.com http://pocketnow.com/rumor/windows-phone-7-series-for-htc-hd2-more-proof
[HD2 General] romac:
Win series 7

HD2 and windows 7 mobile series up to OEMs

http://www.engadget.com/
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
really hope so
[HD2 General] kholk:
I have to correct you...

CE7 :)
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Yeah both pocketnow and wmpu/engadget have proof of HD2 and WM7. The pocketnow proof seems nice imo, because the flash devlopers know 'inside stuff' probably. And they clearly say the first wm device to get full flash is the HD2. And in another post they say they are only going to add flash to WM7.

Come on WM7, come to my HD2!!
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
That is not news or proof of anything, except that the guys at pocketnow are entirely lacking in basic literacy skills.

What you've got there are two posts by a Adobe rep made more than a month apart. In the first post (in early January) he says that they plan to release FlashPlayer for WM6, and that the first WM6 phone to be able to run it will be the HD2. In the second post (in February) he says that the plan they had back in January has been cancelled, and that they will not release a version of FlashPlayer for WM6.x at all, but that they will eventually produce one for WP7. The HD2 is mentioned only as part of the abandoned plan to produce a Flashplayer for WM6 - it is not in any way connected to WP7.

Better link: http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/microsoft-windows-phone-7-upgrades-will-be-possible-up-to-oems

The actual quote is:

In other words, Mr Reeve is not saying anything at all. So this is not news either. :(
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Source...?
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
iam not saying that it is confirmed , i was just posting some opinions ,that is what this thread is intended for
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
and where is your source
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
For what? :confused:
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
sorry my mistake
[HD2 General] raphy82:
What is this ???

isn´t that something....

http://pocketnow.com/rumor/htc-hd2-shown-in-windows-phone-7-promo-video
[HD2 General] Tokolosh:
thats been posted a couple of times already within this thread :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] meegulthwarp:
I believe this is what you were looking for.

http://mymicrosoftlife.com/2010/02/25/microsoft-will-allow-oems-to-upgrade-devices-to-wp7/
[HD2 General] d33170:
Microsoft Alex Reeves - “It's early days yet, and that's really for our hardware partners to think about.”

Phonearena - "A man of a thousand words! But yeah, that works for us just fine. As long as Microsoft doesn’t mess with what is truly the manufacturer’s business, we are cool. So, we guess it’s HTC’s call now to release the much-desired update for the HD2, because, as we all know, it meets the Chassis 1 specs."

I don't think HTC is dumb enough to put WM7 on the HD2. Especially when HD3 will be released around the same time WM7 is... HTC is not going to waste their time and effort updating a brand spanking new OS into a phone that’s been out for several months. It makes a lot of sense to have a brand new phone (HD3) that comes with the WM7 OS already integrated. This = $$$

But I hope I'm wrong…
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
if they think that way why they are still upgrading the (touch diamond 2 and touchpro 2 ). from 2 weeks these 2 devices got the leo sense2.5 as an official upgrade ,but may be who knows (remember hd1 never gets an upgrade )
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
I don't think phones by Q4 2010 will be embarrassingly better than our HD2s. Is there even anything on the roadmap? The HD2 is roughly double the specs of the Touch HD - in a lot thinner form factor. We also transitioned to the Snapdragon platform which is a lot faster than the predecessors.

I just checked the Qualcomm roadmap to answer my own question. They are developing a 1.3GHz snapdragon processor they hope will be available by the end of 2010. It doesn't seem to be a terrible improvement over our chips, just slightly more brawn and maybe some power savings (if we're lucky.) There is also the dual core 1.5GHz snapdragon which 'will be available to manufacturers' by end of 2010... but I'm fairly confident that means something along the lines of Q2 2011 for phone availability.
[HD2 General] pack21:
If you are right.....it´s the reason, HTC HD2 will be my last HTC device, i will not forget the 600€ i give to them......and they payback to me, with a non upgrade WM7 device (HD2) with just a few months of life.:(

It will be for sure another beatifull devices on time to buy....they will not see more, my money.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
the maximum the hd3 can get is the brand new 1.3 ghz snapdragon processor announced later which has the same graphics chip as ours and as you said oled screen may be mor rom , (but i think it it will not use the 1.5 ghz as it is intended for small notebooks not for mobile use )
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Right but based on the (single) precedent, you would expect massive jumps from HD2 --> HD3 as we saw from HD --> HD2.

I think the 1.3GHz chip is more destined for a Diamond3/Pro3 rather than a HD3, but that's just my opinion.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
if hd3 is released in next november there will not be big jumb ,and as for the big jumb between hd and hd2 that was because htc spent a big time releasing ordinary phones ,htc hd processor was released 2 years after the hd release so as we come to hd2 , processors technology has been improved allot 3 years of development ,but the snapdragon processor is still new ,so no big improvement on it ,then for big jump hd3 will be delayed i think for q2 2011
[HD2 General] chrism_scotland:
I'd doubt that the fastest chips will be much faster than the current 1Ghz, looks like the new iPhone will be 1Ghz, Android, WinMo, its almost like we've hit a plateau in mobile CPU performance.
[HD2 General] TheContact:
Was it the 1.3GHz Snapdragon that had 2 main processor cores? or was that the 1.5GHz...or maybe I dreamt that all up....
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Because the TP2 and TD2 at this moment are still being sold in shops. HTC and other manufacturers will continue to offer support and upgrades to phones that haven't yet been replaced; once a replacement model comes out and the old one is discontinued, support and upgrades stop. The key question with the HD2 and WP7 is when the HD3 will launch relative to when WP7 launches. If the HD3 doesn't appear until next January or February then there's a chance of an official upgrade for the HD2. If the HD3 comes out in November (which seems likely - most HTC phones seem to be on a 1-year upgrade cycle) then there's no chance; HTC will want to ensure that HD2 owners who want WP7 have to upgrade to an HD3 to get it.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
1.5. But, as has already been mentioned, that CPU was never intended for phones, only for netbooks and devices like that.
[HD2 General] TheContact:
But the American HD2 is due for release end of March if I recall correctly, which isn't so far off, say, a November release of WP7...so if Diamond2 and Pro2 are still getting updates, it would stand to reason that, the American HD2 would get an update...and by virtue of the wonderful chefs here, we would too...
[HD2 General] harsaphes:
This.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/microsoft-windows-phone-7-upgrades-will-be-possible-up-to-oems/
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
this has already been posted in the 1 page before
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
but the time between the touch pro 1 and touch pro 2 is less than a year i think the one year cycle is not constant
[HD2 General] Housetek:
http://www.tmonews.com/2009/12/htc-hd2-to-get-windows-mobile-7-says-htc-russia/

not sure if this has been posted yet but still lookin good for hd2
[HD2 General] Tomo1340:
is this a wind up?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
That was published ages ago. Shortly after that news item first appeared, HTC went to the trouble of explicitly contradicting that "announcement".
[HD2 General] Frostlance:
ive got some info that we are getting the upgrade to windows phone 7 series...but ..but..

its actually windows phone 7 Starter Edition.. wchich is a rebranded windows mobile 6.5.3
[HD2 General] steefmobiel:
adobe confirms wm7 for hd2

Adobe: HTC Phone HD2 get update to Windows 7

By Bauke Schievink, Friday, February 26, 2010 09:10, views: 15,782

Adobe has confirmed rumors that a Flash version for the HTC HD2 appears. This also means that the device gets an update to Windows 7 Phone as Adobe Flash only for this operating system develops.

On the forum of Adobe Antonio Flores verklapt employee has the HD2 HTC gets an update to Windows Phone 7. He gave some time ago that the HD2 will be the first Windows phone that is equipped with Flash 10.1; later added that it was only from Flash version 7 of Microsoft's mobile operating system available. Because HD2 is currently still running on version 6.5, the HTC smartphone with only one update to get Flash support.

There were already rumors that the HD2 would be provided by Windows Phone 7. The device appeared to have about 128MB extra RAM, which the device suitable for an update to the OS would be. The Russian branch of HTC had already on Twitter know that the HD2 actually will receive the update, but later withdrew that statement here again.

Adobe Flash does not for older versions as there were no specific APIs needed to develop the software. For the current version of Android will not Adobe Flash version release, according to Flores appears only when the Google operating system has provided an update. What is required to update Flash support to deliver, let the Adobe staff in the middle.
[HD2 General] nutmegy:
interesting...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/25/lgs-first-windows-phone-7-handset-shipping-as-early-as-septembe/

Whether engadget are actually correct or not is another thing

plus another about other chassis specs

http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/23/...h-two-m?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
[HD2 General] ViperAMD:
What chance do you guys think this will eventually turn up on the HD2?
[HD2 General] likaz:
i say, 85 %
[HD2 General] jkolner:
Windows Mobile Handsets May Get 7 Series Upgrades

Here is an interesting article on the topic:

Well this could make all the pain and suffering worthwhile...

Speaking on Twitter, Alex Reese - the head of Microsoft's mobile business group - admitted Windows Phone 7 Series upgrades may be available for devices running versions of Windows Mobile. "It's early days yet, and that's really for our hardware partners to think about," tweeted Reese in response to a question about potential upgrades.

While not much to go on, what Reese says is very different to the 'clean break' approach Microsoft had stressed Windows Phone Series 7 would make. In fact it flies in the face of the company's new hands-on stance with manufacturer hardware and an enforcement of minimum specifications.

Consequently, should Reese's statement be true rather than simply misconstrued what it suggests is certain current or imminent high-end handsets would sneak inside Microsoft requirements. Most obvious amongst these would be the HTC HD2 with its 4in capacitive touchscreen and 1GHz Snapdragon core while Toshiba's recently announced TG02 and K01 would also qualify.

Such a stance would make a lot of sense since it would mean Microsoft doesn't kill all interest in its new Windows Mobile 6.5.3 handsets in the (potentially long) wait for Windows Phone 7 Series to launch. That said, even with Microsoft's backing, owners would still need to rely on some open and positive thinking from networks and that is hardly their forte...

Here is a link to the article at TrustedReviews.
[HD2 General] ticalo:
Old news, but: HTCPDIA.com: HTC HD2 Caught Running Windows Phone 7 Series
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
This is a second-hand rehashing of the misunderstanding that the guys over at pocketnow originally made. See post #228 in this thread.

This has already been discussed at some length in more than one thread. The general consensus seems to be that it is more likely fake than not, but of course one can't be sure. It would certainly be very easy to fake: knock up a JPEG of a WP7 screen, load it onto the HD2, display it using the photo viewer, and then take a picture of it. I could very easily "prove" that my HD2 can run desktop Windows XP by the same method. If this were video footage of the OS in use rather than a still picture it would be much more convincing.
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Has anyone considered we might get the upgrade... in the form of WP: Classic? Since it'll be based on the 6.5.x platform and we have yet to get that officially...

That would suck but it's certainly a possibility.
[HD2 General] pack21:
World Petition to WM7 on HD2....

Go if you whant WM7

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/hd2windowsphone7/
[HD2 General] terra65:
in 24 hours 450 signatures...that's kind of promissing !
[HD2 General] NEDSTER1972:
i got my hd2 in early november. about a month later i got an email from htc.com & it was also listed on htc.com that wm7 would be a free update when it is released.

so why all of the speculation all of a sudden.
[HD2 General] ticalo:
Can't find it. Link?
[HD2 General] freyberry:
It has not been posted on htc.com.
[HD2 General] bas85:
I know im a newb. but me personally. I feel that HTC will make the choice to run windows 7 upgrade on the HD2. The HD2 has the compatabilty from the performance stand point that can handle a windows 7 phone. If they dont they are leaving a lot of their fans in anger because of the huge buzz on the HD2.
[HD2 General] ap3604:
HTC and the cellular carriers are in the business of selling phones. It doesn't make good business sense for them to keep upgrading your phone's operating system over and over since that would mean people wouldn't have incentive to purchase a new phone :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] conantroutman:
Its been clearly stated over 567,684 times that it will not be possible to run wp7 on the HD2 due to its hardware.......

It MIGHT be possible (I said MIGHT be possible, not will be possible) for someone to create some kind of wp7 port to run on an HD2, however it would very likely have very limited functionality and be less useful than 6.5/6.5.x......

and by the time its done we'll probably all have wp7 or android devices by then anyway...........

Its not that I dont enjoy seeing a prehistoric thread with a misleading title dug up from the depths of the forum but I just wanted to get that off my chest......

Evening all.........
[HD2 General] ap3604:
I always like to go through the old, OLD threads and bring up ones that used to be huge debates to see how far we've come. Guess I should start doing that ;)
[HD2 General] beyondthought:
cool.. All I know is that if HTC don't offer winm7 upgrade, then bye bye brand loyalty, hello Apple ;-)

as long as hardware spec meet requirements, it shouldn't be too hard for them to upgrade..
[HD2 General] Archer:
So if HTC don't offer you a windows 7 upgrade, you'll go to Apple? Do they do windows 7 upgrades then?
[HD2 General] 20mihalko:
we will use cooked win7 roms anyway, so why official upgrade?
[HD2 General] Co0kieMonster:
I found an interesting thing in Manila 2.5.1922 from Leo ROM 2.02. A few lua scripts contain variations of the following (this one is from 6c219600_manila):

if HomeMachineStatus.WM7Device.Value then
IsWindowsMobile7Device = true
PredefineItem = 1
HomeItemCollection = HomeManager:GetHomeCollection(1)
else
IsWindowsMobile7Device = false
PredefineItem = 0
HomeItemCollection = HomeManager:GetHomeCollection()
end

Not that this is anything definitive, but a WM7Device check in the latest Manila build certainly is interesting :D
[HD2 General] Kaph:
Seems WM7 is confirmed on HTC Russia, story on Engadet here:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/30/htc-russia-says-hd2-will-get-windows-mobile-7-upgrade-but-other/
[HD2 General] beyondthought:
oh boy, lol..
[HD2 General] Marcdu81:
As information comes not from HTC, doubt subsite ...
[HD2 General] deyanp:
Well, the info seems to come from HTC Russia, so rather directly ...
[HD2 General] Marcdu81:
I should clarify HTC Europe sorry,remember for the Trinity , the official update with WM6 was only for Asia ...
[HD2 General] firaX:
I doubt the HD2 will be "old piece of hardware" in 2010. Let's not forget it depends on the available chipsets to determine if a device is outdated or not. I would argue it takes more than one year to advance much further than snapdragon. OF course HTC will update their lineup - but they will most likely stick to snapdragon and just update the optics and other minor features. Maybe increase internal storage and Ram, but i don't see much more coming in 2010. The HD2 is atm already ahead of the mainstream devices. If we look back at post Kaiser (400mhz) handsets - most ran on the MSM7200A chipsets for a very long time (528mhz). Even now they are still using this chipset on many new devices (look at Q1-Q2 announcements). This chipset is from 2008...We are in 2010 almost now. Nothing has really changed except VGA => WVGA, inclusion of G-sensor etc. The HD2 hardware will be fine for WM7, i am sure of that.
[HD2 General] antoniomistretta:
Co0kie! you are a Monster! :D
[HD2 General] Marcdu81:
Here is a message posted in french forum ( sorry i use google translator,to translate quicker ) .
[HD2 General] Kelthuzar:
WM7 Chassis 1 Specification

Core requirements:

Processor: ARM v6+, L2 Cache, VFP, Open GL ES 2.0 graphics HW (QCOM 8k, Nvidia AP15/16* and TI 3430 all meet spec)

Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)

Display: WVGA (800×480) or FWVGA (854×480) 3.5” or greater diagonal

Touch: Multi-touch required

Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.

Controls: Start, Back, Send and End are required (soft controls allowed as long as they are always present).

Peripherals:

Camera: 3MP+, flash optional, 2nd camera optional (VGA resolution sufficient)

GPS: aGPS required

Sensors required: Light Sensor, Compass (3 axis, 5 degrees, 100 Hz sample rate), Accelerometer (3 axis, 2mg resolution, 100 Hz sample rate)

USB: High speed required, 20 MB/s transfer rate.

BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.

Wi-Fi: 802.11B/G required, must run MSFT Native Wi-Fi stack, Atheros 6002 or Broadcomm 4325 recommended.

Connectors: Micro USB and 3.5mm Audio required.

Options:

FM tuner: If tuner HW is present it will be detected and supported by the Media application.

Haptics

SD Card (Micro SD recommended)

DPAD, qwerty or 12/20 key keyboards all optional

Now can someone assure me that it will be possible to have winmo 7 on hd2? wouldnt it be laggy with that little ram?! and can it be put in our precious artefact :)
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
The requirements you quote say that 256MB of RAM is needed, we have 448. Why would that be an issue? I have no idea about how fast our flash memory is though.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
this could be a problem, couldn't it?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Well, somebody has to check the read speed of the built-in flash memory to find out.