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[HD2 General] Jmarley:
You sure ?

What's he mean Initial call problem, Is that the same as My button problem do You think ?
[HD2 General] Fatherboard:
With today manufacturing processes, you should expect these defects. It's a bit pity to say, but when you pay 800$ for such device, most of it goes to the engineers who designed it. the "last few dollars" (more than just a few, but you get the point) are being spent on the actual materials.

I'm a professional photographer, and I'm facing "lemons" with optical equipment which costs 5-10 times more. this is much more annoying, I can assure you that.
[HD2 General] Jmarley:
Can You clarify the "initial call" problem ?
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Sorry, I meant the call problems I had initially - ie on my first handset. I also have these with my second, replacement handset. They are well publicised on the forum - the volume on my speakerphone and earpiece is deafening, it is on the minimum volume setting too. I also have crackles and distortion during phonecalls, hardly surprising with the speaker being driven to such volume levels.:rolleyes:
[HD2 General] cityslicker:
Mine is perfect or as good as :)
[HD2 General] Jmarley:
Ok, thanks for clearing that up ;), I just thought It may be the same issue I have whereby getting to the keypad with the hardkey sometimes causes the phone to start dialing

I've had this on 2 handsets and cannot believe it's not a common problem :confused:
[HD2 General] Jmarley:
Not a very helpful post is it....what is perfect Screen/buttons/software ?
[HD2 General] cityslicker:
The screen & buttons are perfectly acceptable and I do not have any issues with them at all.

The few challenges in the software are what makes this device interesting and being able to tweak things makes it fun. :)
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Does this thing affects a specific batch or it's random ?
[HD2 General] Reason4444:
I really dont understand.. am i lucky or what ? :confused:

I dont have any issues which spread all over hd2 threads about build quality.. Call volume-crackling earpiece problem, uneven screen glass or any other thing..

I'm bought 2 weeks ago from Dogubank Center, ISTANBUL..

BTW, This is my " PERFECT " HD2... :rolleyes: (If anyone interest full size pictures from every angle, i can upload somewhere willingly..)
[HD2 General] Xeon:
you sell it ? its hard to find a flawless htc device nowaday
[HD2 General] Reason4444:
..a couple of "Flawless HD2" picture too... :D
[HD2 General] puremind:
I had a discussion with HTC. All devices have 0,1mm depression of the screen on the top right corner in order to allow for easier application of a protection sheet. The devices are like this by design and for convenience only.

The button pad is slightly lose in order to improve the feel of pressing the buttons, this is within norm and therefore should not be a source of concern to anyone.

They also added that the reset button uses a slightly soft meterial that can be a bit inconvenient to press but this was designed this way after extensive testing in order to improve reliability in the long run.

On the software side, according to them the 1.61 ROM will solve the software glitches such as sms issue, lock issues and further enhance screen response to improve the typing experience.
[HD2 General] puremind:
Those call issues have been solved as per version 1.48, but some peope complained they liked the loud sound better LOL

I guess it is a matter of preference. I have the unofficial 1.61 on mine at the moment and I am totally satisfied. All my earlier issues have been fixed.

Also the development on that forum has been great for this phone already and the customized home screens people have come up with using several transparency cabs make this phone the single most beautiful phone on the market right now. Two iPhone users have actually come to talk to me in the restaurant asking me what this phone was after they saw me use the interface. Made me glee. We did compare some of the functionality and they were salivating more over the big screen than over their own food.
[HD2 General] Jmarley:
That's total Crap, Basically it's a beautifully styled housing..excluding the camera surround (probably there to hold the speaker off flat surfaces) and the 3.5 audio jack afterthought. But being thin around the edges and made of plastic there is no way you can guarantee the top and bottom ends of the housing will stay where they are supposed too, It should have had fastenings at the top and bottom ends of the case and steel inlays in the plastic.

If this product had a "made in Japan" sticker people would be falling on swords ;)

for a few pennies extra they could have made a proper job !

@ £500 (the price of a good laptop) someone is making lot's of money, You could buy a laptop+phone+satnav for that !!, I have not heard anyone complain about the price, but even if it was £50 it is still poor engineering.

I am pleased there are a few around that that have the screen correctly recessed all the way around, Just think how wonderfully easy it will be to fit the screen protector not only at the top but the bottom too :rolleyes: :D
[HD2 General] Xeon:
And how do you explain some people having perfectly aligned screen ? HTC is fooling us...
[HD2 General] elburna:
Is it also for easier use of a protection sheet, that you can slightly push down these corners as if they werent glued properly... ;) ?

By the way mine has far more than 0,1mm (0,5-1 mm) and this while not beeing integrated in the housing but standing over it (glass is higher than housing)! Not only at one corner but at two opposite ones whilst the other two are lying a bit under the housing. (Wondering if there isnt any tension...)

Anyway, the repair-centre where it is at the moment better doesnt come up with "sorry but this is production tolerance..." Otherwise ill run amok....
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Seeing the number of affected devices, I think they will not tolerate such flaws, image all the headache they will have to deal with...
[HD2 General] :
Yellowish backlight

Can anyone confirm the clock colour at the bottom (after wake-up mode which has the "slide" to unlock) is yellowish and NOT white colour? Even during booting "HTC quietly brilliant" also yellowish instead of pure white....?

What about the box packaging? Is it pure white or a bit "cream" in colour...?
[HD2 General] Xeon:
It's white here, thank god, something I've missed :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] :
Can you try to launch Notes or any website in Opera (Google mainpage should be pure white). Are they really pure white or "cream" colour a bit....
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Pure white here...
[HD2 General] :
Looks like my unit is "set" to cream colour generic background just like the box package. On some interfaces I can see pure white. (eg. exiting opera confirmation dialogue box is pure white compared to the address bar is cream colour a bit). The same goes to the Facebook and Marketplace icons. They are all pure white. But the text of Facebook and Marketplace is cream colour.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I'm sorry mate, it's pure white here.
[HD2 General] Jmarley:
Check Your settings for display, brightness is normally set to auto which will use the light sensor (top left of screen)

If You have not covered it up with anything and the phone is set to auto either the Light sensor or backlight are Faulty
[HD2 General] :
Email sound did not work

Could be bug that the email sound notification does not work. Whether the MP3 is default or new/any sound file formats.

Updated : Nevermind. Rebooting is the solution.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Im still not sure if I should consider the screen misalignment as a hardware fault or just a benign flaw...
[HD2 General] :
This is the answer... as long as we don't face this fellow issue, we should be fine...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c49x9vB4bzQ
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I couldnt reproduce this weird behavior the first few days but then, after 3 weeks, I started having them... I replaced the device and the new one have the screen not perfectly aligned but im still waiting to see if the screen is going to jitter...
[HD2 General] Hojlind:
the keypad is also lose on my device, but its not anything really notice. The screen is perfect though :P
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Heh. I saw the video. Now I know from where from time to time random program openes. I did not fixed my device, I rather call in and I will return phone for repair.

I had exactly the same symptoms when I pressed down lower right corner. So this device probably is not even fixable and they will have to replace it:mad:

Seriously, I did not expect this from vendor like HTC.
[HD2 General] :
i THINK the problem happens when we place the unit in pocket pants. When we sit, the glass get compress and the screen will be loosen in long run. So, before you sit, take out HD2 and place it at pocket shirt. We need to aware that it's 4.3". Th ebigger the surface area, the easier it will get "bend"
[HD2 General] romka.t:
Had the same problems with my device, loose buttons and the screen, but didn't pay attention that time, the phone was returned to htc representatives in Romania (where it was bought) due to the fact that the screen didn't respont on touches from time to time, as I had noticed it was related to the hardbuttons, after pressing them it turned to normal... so it could've been a bad contact problem or such... anyway it's very disapponting seeing such issues on a 1K$ device, and I'm affraid the guys from the service will return the device back...
[HD2 General] Fatherboard:
No, dgtel2. Some devices are not being assembled correctly.
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
That is correct. And they CANNOT return device back as it is. Because it IS possible for dust and moist to ENTER the device. This cannot happen as it may damage the device on long run. + it does NOT look good and as advertised. So they have to:

a) Repair it

b) Replace it

c) Replace it with other comparable device (if you wish)

d) Refund

There is NO other option. Or you can simply do "overvolt" and send it back as "It stopped working" :)
[HD2 General] Xeon:
And what do I have to do with the HD2 that's I'm gonna replace it for the 3rd time if I keep getting the same issue with the screen? You know, I can see the dust covering the gap. When It rains, I don't dare take the device out of my pocket ( not paranoia believe me )... It's certainly not a batch issue. Maybe just bad luck ? :) Alooo HTC ? you hearing me? what's the deal ?
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Well I will send it back, probably they will repair it... Glue it correctly... They simply have no other choice... I doubt they will replace it...
[HD2 General] :
Again... 4.3" GLASS CAPACITIVE screen... the first in the world... surely have lots of problem... Now I know that 3.8" or 3.7" is the optimum design already. Going beyond 3.8" will create physical problems to the device.
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Again... NOT true. What the hell are you talking about? My friend has same HD2 bought in shop by our network provider. He has perfect screen alignment and no **** like in video on Youtube...

What are you going to say now?
[HD2 General] elburna:
If that is the case they shouldnt build one! Would be the same to build a car with V12 1000 PS (which already exists :) and then tell the customer, that the drivetrain is not capable of handling so much power... Im awaiting a good assembled device, that works with the specs it comes with!
[HD2 General] Riccojames:
not true

My phone has perfect alignment on the front glass screen and does not come over the moulded edges.

Hope this helps
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Yes it does help alot. I`m even more angry now :)

Well I found offical HTC service company here in Slovenia, I will return them device only and they will send it back for repair...
[HD2 General] :
Wait for long run use... sure got problem... unless they keep it in the box and not touching the phone. It is proven that this particular model by HTC (ie Highly Too Costly) is the worst model they've ever produced. A lot of defects in hardware and software... HTC was in a rush to get sales during X-mas and given us so much troubles.

We need to remember that this is the VERY FIRST windows mobile CAPACITIVE touch screen device. Do expect flaws in the hardware mechanisms. You have seen broken glasses, funny "ghost-touch" (http://www.youtube.com/user/dontcryjustfly). That's why HTC put the price at "reasonable" rate. It's beta testing for them. We are the guinea pigs.

I do believe 4.3" is too big and extremely delicate to handle. They should have made the glass as "unbreakable" glass, better housing to fit the glass, better film/layer for the capacitive touch to function as so on.

HTC also afraid Samsung is going to annouce greater phone(s) specs in near future. So, they release this model to ensure the purchasers has no more budget to get Samsung model(s).

Most of the phone manufacturers now is using this tactics to get their market shares in momentum.
[HD2 General] blackheart2925:
@dgtel2 - to say it poilitely, you are talking rubbish! you a HTC employee or something? "reasonable" priced is it?????

and is it too much too expect that hardware will be right, never mind the first time capacitive screen or not...why should the consumer "expect" flaws? so we are to be happily ripped off by paying for the next best thing which comes out is it and say nothing?

i used think Nokia's QA and hardware used to be crap (and so does a lot of folks if you visit the various Symbian forums) but HTC also is aiming towards those standards it seems

stop making excuses for HTC and stupid claims...where does it say that 3.7 or 3.8 is the max for touchscreens???

see one of the biggest selling point is the BIG 4.3" touch screen...one would assume that they would have taken care with biggest selling point right?

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btw what about Samsung and their hardware? how is the Omnia 2 doing?
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Only time will tell if you are correct. Had my Tytn II for 2 years, not a SINGLE HW problem. Lots of SW but I was flashing it every 2 weeks :) Upgrade junkie:)

I think that if you get HD2 with properly attached screen there should be no problems with HW.

SW is almost always fixable...
[HD2 General] blackheart2925:
one small request - can somebody post some clear/high resolution pics or maybe a youtube vid of how the edges look - both the fault and also the actual maybe?

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also for speaker/earpiece vol being loud, is there a reverse of the following -?

http://www.montecristoff.com/goodies.htm
[HD2 General] Fatherboard:
dgtel2 indeed sounds like a potential HTC agent...
[HD2 General] Xeon:
+1

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[HD2 General] grega_slo:
I posted mine... Are not OK?
[HD2 General] Xeon:
OK so what now ? is it a hardware defection ?
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
I will get mine for repair next monday...

They will repair/replace it. So they said...
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Heh, I did it today. And now I have to wait 14 days minimum for repair center to fix/replace my HD2:(

Shhhhh:( Long wait :)
[HD2 General] :
I wish I am... lol...what if I tell you I'm the designer for HD2? LOL...

But i can see the "design" failures all over this famous forum.

4.3" is a true failure for capacitive...if it was resistive, it would be like HD1 model. 3.8" or 3.7" capacitive is optimum. Look at all incoming models by all manufacturers. Majority sticks to <4.0" diagonal screen size for capacitive.

Now makes me wonder, how come HP Capacitive Touchscreen monitors (>14"...?) managed to perform well? Different hardware I guess...
[HD2 General] Nobita987:
hi not sure if anyone had addressed this prob, it's abt the grouping for contacts.

when I add a new contact, one can specify the particular group this new contact should be under. phone works fine for new contacts. but if i wana change the group for this registered contact, the change is not registered. The change is onli registered when i view the contacts in "group" tab and "add" or "edit" the various contacts under this particular grp. "Groups" changed under individual contacts is not registered.

Is it a bug?

anyone got tweaks to enable us to choose the contacts to send to should the group exceed 10? Function is again enabled when i use it under "group tab" but not when i'm sending 1 individual sms then deciding to mass send to certain ppl in a group..... =(
[HD2 General] spoogedemon:
nice,

which serialnumber has yours?
[HD2 General] Syphon Filter:
I'd like to say my keypad "wiggles" a little from side to side. It moves maybe 0.5mm from side to side and maybe 0.2mm up and down.

Also the bottom left corner and upper right corner of the glass/screen of my HD2 sit ever so slightly lower than the rolled edge of the metal case. The other two corners appear to be flush with the rolled edge. Again, we're talking about maybe 0.2mm.
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
OK if anyone have this screen issues please write it here. Also tahe pictures and attach them here aswell...

It might help someone get new device or repair under warranty...

For mine they said I dropped it. See pictures that I attched and tell me that I dropped it lol.
[HD2 General] blackheart2925:
@grega_slo - thanks your picture helped...

my HD2 has gottt the top left corner slightly depressed if one runs a finger oiover the edge, one can feel that...no bsckmliggt problem or anything but what i do find s but weird is the screen backlighting on the left 75% of the screen is weird yellowish and extends from left to right edge...white never quite seems white :v(
[HD2 General] htc12345:
My keypad is a bit wobbly as well, no problems with that, the keys are all embedded in one piece of plastic, they wobble together.

Regarding the 0,5 mm or so, I have no sharp edges on the top of the display as far as I know, see attached picture.
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Thanks!

Can you also take a picture in different angles from the side where HW buttons are (lower corners)?

Thanks!
[HD2 General] dheerpat:
hi all..i have this apprehension while taking out the phone from its pouch... tend to pulll from exactly where top end ispeaker is located on frame..i hope it will not pry loose
[HD2 General] sunking101:
I squeeze it up from the bottom, like an ice pop! Then when one cm or more is exposed, I pull it out by gripping the sides of the device. I think the pouch is too tight!
[HD2 General] Xeon:
It's how it should be, perfectly aligned. Unfortunately not the case here :(
[HD2 General] Master_Rex:
same here dude...lose keys on the bottom and top right corner slightly deeper from the device's frame... no biggie...it works fine even with those "defects" :P
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Got a replacement, all problems gone.

Read here : http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=608970
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Pictures, pictures we want to see!

Post here, makes good evidence for warranty!
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I am sorry I don't have a Camera but I will try to post some pics taken with Nokia phone.

Hope pics below are enough.
[HD2 General] htc12345:
Only same angle but here are HW buttons / bottomside.
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Any news grega_slo ?
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Hi!

Thanks to both of you for pictures!

Xeon, can you please take some pictures from angle where keyboard buttons are seen? Like htc12345 did it?

Well my HTC went from Slovenia to HTC factory idontknowwhere :)

Will let you know about results, probably I`ll get it back in 2 weeks...
[HD2 General] Xeon:
grega_slo, as I said don't have the camera at the moment, I will try an angle where you can see the screen aligned.

The pictures are not precise. In reality, the screen is perfectly aligned.
[HD2 General] grega_slo:
Thanks!

That should help me or any other when claiming warranty!
[HD2 General] froztii:
you could say mine is also not "perfect". On 3 sides the glass is lower then the edge, only in the bottom right corner the glass is a little bit higher then the plastic (0,1-0,2 mm). Doubt that HTC will exchange, atleast i should write them a letter about this :)

Btw, is it permanent or the glass rises with use? Its just that i have mine only 1 week and i'm wondering what will happen after a week or a month?
[HD2 General] Xeon:
Because it was not set correctly, it is not aligned and it can move with time.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
This device doesn't have the great build quality that lots say it does.

Sure it's heavy and the materials seem to be of durable quality.

However, the buttons are CHEAP and nasty. They shouldn't be all one unit and they should fit better. Not to mention the dreadful paint which comes off in weeks.

The sides of the casing are too thin, where they meet the glass. I can see the edge getting nicked or damaged if you don't baby the device.

The battery cover, although metal, is strangely recessed. Why doesn't it sit flush with the rest of the rear casing? It will also get loose over time if you remove the cover often as although it is metal, the part it locks into is plastic.

I know this is industry-wide now but is it just me who thinks USB charging is a bad idea? The connector doesn't sit tight in the socket and moves quite freely left and right. Give me a nice round jack socket any day!

The screen fit problems, some corners raised and some recessed...that is not good. I also don't like the gaps around the edge, if you run your nail down them the sides come away from the glass - this doesn't feel healthy and is surely a dust trap.
[HD2 General] scaryprowler:
My screen is slighty pressed down on one side... anyone know of a way to reset it? I was thinking of warming it by placing it in the airing cupboard, above the boiler to soften the rubber and then use a sucker (from off my kids car sunvisor mesh thing) to 'pull' it back into place. Im not sure if this will do the trick; has the damage already been done?
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omokas:
Hi I need to get an application that when you shake the phone right/left the song changes. There was a same application on iPod Touch and iPhone called PocketTouch and was only for Jailbroken devices. Also Sony Ericsson has this fuction on Walkman Phones.

Is there a possibility that it will be coded an application for this or to get the code from pockettouch , modify it and make it for Android ? Or it would be better if there is one....

Thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omokas:
Come on guys answer me , an app like this is needed for me!!!

Thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] omokas:
Why don't you answer me please ? I need this as soon as possible and I search all over the internet :(
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Pillock:
Maybe nobody knows of one?

Maybe there isn't one?

It's counter-productive for everyone to reply and say "I don't know" so until someone does know, you get no answers.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pmleumas:
Do a search on market, I had seen several apps that did that.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ajones7279:
Ding ding ding. Sheesh.
[Hero CDMA General] pitmanr2003:
i have around 100 apps installed and only have around 88 megs free internal. is that normal. and how can i free more. i use the clear cache for root user and it seems to do a little.
[Hero CDMA General] flipzmode:
With a fresh clean install I sit at about 140 megs free. Once you factor in the cache that build up and everything it's probably closer to 100. You have 100 apps installed and only lost about 12 megs (thanks to apps2sd). It's normal. Why do you need or want more? Based on that you could install 660 more apps before you ran out of free space.
[Hero CDMA General] pitmanr2003:
ok just wandering. making sure its normal. is there a app that can keep programs from auto starting. i downloaded one, but it messed with something important that i cant remember at this time. wouldnt let it run
[Hero CDMA General] Rootwind:
There's also an app called "TA Utility" on the market that lets you move the cache (browser, market, maps etc.) to the SD card as well.
[Hero CDMA General] pitmanr2003:
now im down to like 54mb of memory. thats crazy.