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[HD2 General] donbronzi:
I don't see HTC introducing something much more powerful then the Leo until the end of the year! If the Leo can't run WM7 because of hardware then WM7 has already failed!

Hopefully MS has learned from their PC OS that bigger isn't always better, I'm hoping WM7 is more streamline then the current combination of manilla and WM6.5 which nails the system memory (much like windows vista did!)

I bought the LEo on the grounds of it being upgradable to 7, would be gutted if it isn't compatible.
[HD2 General] Kelthuzar:
I am pretty much sure you are right :) i hope the flash memory speed is fast enough to satisfy microsoft :confused: but who knows. So you can tell that its like 100% compatible with the requirements? I am eagerly waiting for Winmo 7 :) Happy new year :p
[HD2 General] mightymn:
Something interesting is that the requirements say front camera is optional and the HD2 unlike all previous high end HTC devices, doesn't have it. Kinda seems like the HD2 is made to meet all these. And because we can be 90 percent sure that HD2 is a lab rat for winmo 7 testing, it doesn't make sense if it doesn't meet them.

But ofcourse we don't yet know about the fast flash thing and "days of use battery", the latter of which is a bit worrying if we want an "official" update
[HD2 General] jakem:
To be honest, that was a silly reason to buy the phone. Until you get official confirmation of an upgrade you shouldn't assume that you will get one and CrashOverhead's post above suggests that you may not be able to get an upgrade from this site either.
[HD2 General] donbronzi:
Get your point but actually is a very good reason to get the phone. To say it was my main reason is exaggerating a bit but got an 18 month contract and want the device to have as much 'legs' as possible.

We all know that WM 6.5 is a 'Dead OS walking', it would almost be 'silly' to get the device not expecting an upgrade to the new WM.

(Bit like buying a laptop with vista 6 months before W7 comes out, you would hope your laptop could be upgraded?)

I have been a WinMo head for long enough to know not to count on anything, but i reiterate if the HD2 isn't compatible with WM7 that would be a massive shame.

I am of course presuming WM7 is alot better than 6.5.........:)
[HD2 General] htc12345:
I wonder how vodafone will act for vodafone branded devices once WM7 is available...
[HD2 General] Audio Oblivion:
lol... thats exactly what i was thinking.

i have no doubt they will start talking gibberish about the issue sooner or later though
[HD2 General] cMMY69:
Indeed. I intentionally bought my HD2 SIM free because of my experiences of Vodafone's lack of support for devices they sell. I was sick of seeing how many updates were officlally released for the original Omnia to only have 1 update available on my locked phone. Have Voda released the 1.48 rom yet? What of the hotfixes?) I haven't been following Vodafones efforts recently, I doubt you will sdee any W7 updates from them.
[HD2 General] str0g:
Maybe MS just doesn't want to support older phones (code clean ups) or just they want manufactures to produce better phone ;-)
[HD2 General] donbronzi:
Could you tell me where you got this spec list.

Many thanks
[HD2 General] totalcmdext:
at pocketnow.com and all this general specification is available a lot of time ago...

I suppose it is real because something similar was released also for WM6.1 and the result was the VGA and WVGA displays to appear.

I believe that WM7 will be more specific to the specification in order to gain market again...
[HD2 General] Owendavies:
Only problem i can see is this:

BlueTooth: BT2.1 required, must run MSFT BT stack, CSR BlueCore6 or later recommended.
[HD2 General] MasterTP:
What is exactly the problem? The BT stack is just a piece of software..
[HD2 General] DomZ:
Hi MarcDu81,

Can you give us the original source (the french forum link) ?

Thanks
[HD2 General] Marcdu81:
Hello,here is the link : http://www.actualitemobile.com/forum/index.php/topic,13712.15.html
[HD2 General] DomZ:
Thanks,

I really hope this guy is wrong, and HTC delivers to us, a WM7 rom.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
This guy is 100% right, and it's old news.

And in case you got it wrong, this guy has NOT said that there won't be an upgrade.

The exact same information has been posted already a while back (in English):
[HD2 General] nsx_23:
I think its more likely there'll be a 6.5.3 update for the HD2 rather than WM7, but one can always hope.
[HD2 General] rahulelectra:
I think HD2 hardware itself was planned to be launched with WM7 but launched with WM 6.5 instead as WM7 got delayed by Microsoft.

If WM7 is annunced in WMC barcelona. than launch of wm7 is likely to be in q3 /Q4 .

ANd actually WM7 update for HD2 will make sense for both MS and HTC.

1, HTC can count on sales figures by pushing as HD2 with Wm7 Branding and its features.

2, HTC can launch WM7 devices as HD2 without delay after wm7 lauch as time around r&D for a complete new device around wm7 will be saved.I twill be easy for HTC.

3, HD2 hardware like 1GHz CPU will not be obsolete atleast in coming 2 years as only few devices with specs greater than hd2 will be lauched in 2010. and it has practically every thing needed for the most of us mobile users. Only thing upgradable in next (HD3!) can be

a Better camera (though 5 mp is enough for a mobile)

b TV Out

c front camera

c 720p or higher video capture and playback (Playback thing cud be solved by WM7 on HD2)

d larger battery somthing greater than 1500mh

e CPU ??? what u want 3 GHz ? mm what u wanna do video editing or waanan use photoshop hehhhehe may be ? but seriously mobile cpu around 1-1.5 Ghz are enuf for mobile apps and 3d Games on the WVGA Screen

4, For Microsoft wm7 on HD2 can be be regaining lost market to iphone and andriods.

5 Last but not least It will help in increased user satisfaction of buying HTC Windows phones.
[HD2 General] shu8i:
leo will definitly get a winmo7 update, because it's the only chassis 1 device out there right now i guess:

http://www.betanews.com/article/Mic...Windows-Mobile-7-and-Windows-Phone/1262994146
[HD2 General] rich_13:
I hope their thinking along their lines and MS leans on them a little to beef up their range of WM7 devices... that'd be awesome
[HD2 General] mclandgraf:
So what? I won't upgrade until at least 80-90% of my installed software will be upgraded. That won't happen before way into 2011. By then I'd receive a new unit anyway....
[HD2 General] avathar behemoth:
first, who cares when wm7 will launch. my HD2 is great with wm6.5 not even the .3 upgrade

second htc's flagship phone is the HD2 so youd better believe theyll keep supporting it...look at kaiser support history (well... apart from the driver disaster)

third we dont know how good wm7 will be...its no use speculating youre discussing wether or not we will have something we dont know what itll be ......

lets get android working :D that at least is a real product...
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
WM7 should, at the very least, be compiled in a way that lets it take advantage of modern CPUs. WM 6.x can't make use of any chip instructions later than two entire ARM generations ago. (Or is it three? I lose track.) WM7 should therefore be hugely much faster on the same hardware.

WM7 will also specify HD2-level hardware as the minimum necessary to run the OS. That means any WM7 application will be able to take full advantage of HD2 hardware, instead of having to be throttled back to the point where it can run on lesser phones.

And the HD2 (in my opinion) was designed to run WM7. When WM7 was delayed HTC obviously decided to launch it anyway and put 6.5 on it, but it should be running WM7. I'd like to see it perform as originally intended.

How much support did the Kaiser get from HTC after the Raphael came out?
[HD2 General] sd-technology:
For what it's worth, after pushing Vodafone to get an "approved" rom for my HD2, they confirmed that the only software udate that they'll provide is the WM7 update...

... and before anyone ask there is no ETA yet.
[HD2 General] hoss_n2:
i hope ot will get it but i cannot forget what happened to hd1 with respect to wm6.5
[HD2 General] jrrigney:
I hope you got this in writing or I still wouldn't gaurantee it and you may end up getting no updates (except for critical security)
[HD2 General] EddyOS:
Glad I got my HD2 from a 3rd party (Dial-A-Phone) and was already on 1.48
[HD2 General] xenept:
You'll be lucky to get anything out of vodaphone. There htc forum is full of ranting HD2 owners who have been sold a dud phone that can't be fixed unless they break the warranty.

In fact, their moderation is straight from the cut and paste school of thought. Check it out for some real light humour.

http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/index.php?showforum=27

I'm so glad I went with an independent mobile company to get my HD2.
[HD2 General] sd-technology:
@ xenept:

Yep, I am one of them, in fact they offered to give me either a new iPhone or a new blackberry instead.

Bizzarly even, vodafone said that it was up to me if I wanted to put a non vodafone approved ROM and that device warranty aside they had no issue with it!?

@ hoss_n2:

I know, I have one of these too!

In fairness with vodafone, they are trying to get only major release tested, and are putting their effort (from what I've been told) on getting the WM7 update approved. This is why they are just not interested in fix update (like rom 1.48 which should be the minimum build on the HD2 - as stated by a HTC support guy).

Bottom line is that everybody is pointing the finger (HTC / vodafone / MS) and no-one is owning to the fact that this is just not good.

I might end-up getting vodafone to swap the HD2 with another phone (after all I'll get it for free), and buy the HD2 when there are further HTC updates... this will avoid the extra complication of having to get everything "approved" by vodafone.
[HD2 General] chmun77:
Get an IPhone.... save all the troubles.... unlike winMO phones...
[HD2 General] creed:
Oh really? Thanks I but I'll keep my multitasking winmo device that doesn't crash every single time i'm in Safari and try to open something as difficult as *shock horror!* the phone! It's funny how iphone people never seem to mention how unstable that device is ;)
[HD2 General] sd-technology:
@ chmun77 :

Although I like the style, I still value freedom and content over just style and fashion!

So the only reason I'd get an iPhone is to put it in my old mobile phone collection :)

@ Creed :

Totally agree, but It's been a constant with Apple since the 90s, so I got used to it!

Don't get me wrong I also have a mac and some of their product are good, only massively over-priced and over-hipped.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Well that certainly told us! iPhone here we come!
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
As a helpdesk for my wife who has a 3GS, I can say that the iPhone had its own set of bugs and huge annoyances. And I can't imagine how a real WM user could be happy with the iPhone without jailbreak, which still isn't really available for the latest Apple phone.
[HD2 General] sd-technology:
Agreed, and all the friend who had an iPhone eventually changed it to get either a blackberry or a HTC.

Anyway... WM7 in march if we're lucky??
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
WM7 in September if you're REALLY lucky.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Anything is possible: February, December, maybe never. Nobody knows. All speculation is totally useless, just wait and see what happens.

Seriously, all the speculation is becoming ridiculous. Why don't you just stick to the facts:

There have been hints that an official upgrade will be provided. No confirmation.

There have been hints that WM7 will be announced at MWC. No confirmation.

WM7 does run on the HD2. It may be leaked, if not officially provided.

WM6.5 has been leaked already in January, despite being released only in May and on devices in October. The same could happen with WM7, but again, there's no confirmation.

What do those facts tell us? They tell us to stop drawing silly conclusions, because there's absolutely nothing that we know for sure, thus there's absolutely nothing we can draw conclusions from.

(Yes, I mean especially you, Shasarak. Or do you have any official confirmation that nobody's gonna release or at least leak WM7 before September? Certainly not. Of course, the same applieas to anyone stating that WM7 would be available for sure anytime before September!)
[HD2 General] sd-technology:
Received today from HTC support:

"The rom update to the wm7 it will take months to happen"

Which confirms that it will happen, just not anytime soon...
[HD2 General] iphoneresister:
This "leak" is probably nonsense (the specs are ridiculous given the state of phone hardware today as you'd eliminate virtually every device on the market from having WM7):

http://gizmodo.com/5458587/microsof...bile-7-point-at-high+end-feature+laden-phones

My own opinion is that the leak sounds like it came out of someone's imagination. However, if those specs are real, the HD2 would not be able to run WM7 due to insufficient internal storage.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Yeah that's rubbish. The specs that we've already seen actually make sense, but those don't. For example, I'd be VERY suprised if there was any mention of screen size in the minimum requirements. Resolution, of course, but not physical size. There's no way to enforce that at a software level.

That's just a lie by some kid with nothing better to do than see if he can get famous for talking pap and getting taken seriously.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Well, there are requirements and there are requirements.

On the one hand, you could ask: "If a particularly energetic team of ROM-chefs at XDA were to work on a port of WM7 for a particular legacy phone, what is the minimum hardware that phone would have to possess in order for WM7 to run on it, and run at vaguely useable performance levels?"

Alternatively you might ask: "If a manufacturer wishes to purchase from Microsoft the rights to install WM7 on a new phone they plan to launch, what features will Microsoft insist that the phone must have before they say 'yes' to the deal?"

Clearly screen size can't be a "requirement" if you're asking the first question; but it absolutely could be if you're asking the second. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Microsoft refused to allow WM7 to be installed on any phone with less than a minimum screen size in order to ensure that any WM7 phone offers a good and consistent user experience, and thus protect the brand. WM7 is clearly intended for "high-end" phones; even according to the old "chassis" specs, the HD2 represents entry-level hardware by WM7 standards.

Having said all that, I am rather doubtful about this latest alleged leak in particular. :) 3.6" does seem a little large to insist on as a minimum size; and would they really exclude sub-1GHz ARMv7 processors? I don't think the preliminary specs of the Obsession include 8GB of storage memory, either. (They suggest 4).
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Those specs are wrong. Someone posted them on twitter and the whole (stupid) blogosphere copied it. They are just wrong.

There's no requirement of 8GB internal memory. 512MB is enough, with 1GB recommended.

ARMv6 processor, 512MB RAM, 512MB ROM, 3,5" WVGA display, multitouch panel, G-Sensor, accelerometer, compass - those are required for the premium ("media edition") phones. The HD2 meets all those specs, as does the HTC Obsession.

That's exactly what those requirements are all about.
[HD2 General] thegios:
Oh c'mon!!!! Plsssssssss... I believe HD2 hw is quite high end compared to anything now on the amrket
[HD2 General] jakem:
I don't believe the 8 GB of storage spec (perhaps that could be dealt with by including an SD card???) but I think the minimum screen size makes sense if they are going to insist on making the phones finger friendly. Personally, I think the HD2 has the perfect screen (thanks to the tiny bezel) and I wouldn't be interested in a touch screen that was less than 4". 3.6 should be the minimum because anything below that is ridiculously small. Microsoft need to ensure that the days of cramped, under-powered WinMo phones are left behind us and setting these sorts of minimum requirements is the best way to do that.

I don't really care if people with Touch Diamonds or other old phones can't upgrade to WM7 so long as future phones are lust-worthy.
[HD2 General] creed:
Neither do I, because I have an HD2! :D
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
What's your point? :confused:

The "chassis" specs for WM7 (which were leaked a long time ago) represent the minimum spec for a WM7 phone. The HD2 exactly meets those minimum specs (with the possible exception of ROM - it may not have enough), and exceeds almost none of them. Therefore, the HD2 represents the minimum hardware spec that can ever (officially) run WM7. Of course there will be lower-spec phones than the HD2 on the market when WM7 phones appear at the end of this year; but none of those lower-spec phones will run WM7. Anything that does will be at least as powerful as an HD2, and generally more so.
[HD2 General] sd-technology:
Well, here's a fact: WM7 is getting a show date (http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/01/28/microsoft.to.show.next.mobile.os.at.barcelona/)

I'm not interested in "leak", only facts.

On the subject of fact, and after more than an other hour with vodafone today I managed to get it in writing that they allow me to put another rom on my device since they are incapable of supplying the rom which will make the device operational (eg. anything from 1.48 - but def. not 1.43) and even better they are confirming that it won't void my warranty for the device in these exceptional circumstances.

Now I'm getting trouble at getting the guys at HTC realizing this, but fear not I'll be calling them again on Monday, after all it's still is better for them to give me the proper ROM than me cooking my own -or using a ready-meal - never been much of a chef myself ;)
[HD2 General] jrrigney:
You will probably find that the warrenty will only be valid on an official ROM from either VF or HTC - not a cooked one.
[HD2 General] gabbs:
the minimum requirements are usually too minimum to be any good..we will have to wait on hd3 or something like that..
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Nonsense---
[HD2 General] likaz:
my opinion: htc hd2 will run windows mobile 7 aprox~ in march, and the price will be up to 500 $.
[HD2 General] Jack E:
All you guys posting links about HTC comfirming it are wrong, those articles are old from last year and HTC later retracted the statement.
[HD2 General] DonDolowy:
Just saw an interview with a danish representative for Microsoft and in the background you could see HTC HD2 running Windows 7 so I suppose it is just a matter of time, though he said that they wouldnt hand out the system to the merchants before the end of august 2010.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Link? :eek:
[HD2 General] DonDolowy:
Here is the link:

http://ekstrabladet.tv/nyheder/kup/article1300047.ece

At second thought, maybe it isnt windows 7 HD2 is running but just the new version of WM. I just supposed that since the interview was about Windows 7 and they showed videos of HD2 at the same conference it meant that it was Windows 7.
[HD2 General] Lake292:
didnt see there hd2 with win7 :D
[HD2 General] Mikulec:
There are 2 different phones:

1. hd2 with wm6.5

2. the prototype with wp7

So no hd2 with wp7.
[HD2 General] anaadoul:
Who knows, maybe next month we will get to know :)

http://bit.ly/9FY62A
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Nice. From what I understand that is the response from the 'Windows Phone 7 Series'-team after getting the question 'HD2 can haz WM7?' hundreds of times?

Well at least that clearly means MS understands how many people want WinMo7 on their HD2. Now let's hope they see a reason for them to do it. Just ask some money for the update or something, win/win situation ;)
[HD2 General] fatalus:
Thats nice. As time goes by without hope for an official upgrade of HD2, I guess its sales will certainly hurt.
[HD2 General] pack21:
if it were today I would not have bought a HD2 without knowing that I will have a WM7 upgrade. Its money into the trash after WM7 release in a few months.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
Just to post again, so that everyone gets it:
[HD2 General] shu8i:
infos at the mix?
[HD2 General] Starfury:
How long do you reckon before someone at XDA manages to get a "leaked" build of WM7 to play with? :D
[HD2 General] Sultan1993:
what's that picture at the bottom of your post?? Android on HTC HD2??

At last, developers found a way to install android on our phones?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It's quite far from being ready. Just look at the unfinished dialer, or the buttons on the bottom bar. I don't think you want it in your phone as it is.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I told you so...
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
:eek::eek::eek:
[HD2 General] lagbaja:
According to wmpoweruser it's possible - http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=13395
[HD2 General] narta:
I wonder who's HD2 is that :D
[HD2 General] emigrating:
You told us what exactly? Just because it is possible to run WP7 does not mean it will get an official update - and the fact winmo.nl says it [HD2] is eligible for an upgrade in September means nothing.

The above, btw, is of course a fake.
[HD2 General] DonDolowy:
Come on, of course it is not trash if it doesnt get an update. Are you satisfied with your HD2 now? Im certainly am. Lack of an update wont make the phone more bad.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
I told you that it runs on the HD2. I never said it will get an official upgrade. I only say things I know 100%. I don't know whether it will get an upgrade. But I know that it runs WP7. That's what I told you.
[HD2 General] XDA mark:
Damn I am to late!! Again the link for people that only read the last page: http://pocketnow.com/software-1/htc-hd2-seen-running-windows-phone-7-very-very-good-news

I really want to believe this is real, but with photoshop and stuff you can really make things like this these days. So yeah, could be fake. Probably is. But I hope it is real :D
[HD2 General] anaadoul:
i can remember that i was reading somewere here on xda about the CE6 ported to our devices and the only problem was the drivers.

so if the drivers are built by HTC i guess should be some few weeks R&D then all we need is a build of the OS. i guess Da_G can confirm or deny as he is really experienced in these things.

what i would say is that HTC knows WP7 before we did, and had it for a long time. i believe that the protype they were using is built by HTC and i have no resion to doubt that they tested it on the HD2 so WP7 is possible on the HD2.

Weather that is officailly or by XDA Rom, i don't really know! i hope so, but i wouldn't put my hopes high.

now the problem is, will this require the change of the Bootloader? will the users be able to downgrade if the Upgrade is official/hacked? this is the first thing i wanna make sure to know before i try to do anything.
[HD2 General] theclueless:
Touch HD did not get WM6.5 update, so i doubt HD2 will see WM7S update...
[HD2 General] mazzarin:
Check out this ELA of that leaked HD2/WP7S pic... not jumping to conclusions but the high levels are around the suspect areas :/

http://errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/b4593f8/

Actually, I will jump. Fake. Sadness.
[HD2 General] pack21:
Of course im satisfied, and even if it were an update to the WM7, if i dontn like it, i will hold 6.5 like today.

The point is the 600€ i give to HTC and MS....is just fair, that in so little time between 6.5 and WM7, I could have a update.

And has i said, if it was today, maybe i could wait a little longer for WM7, and dont spend 600€ for now.
[HD2 General] freyberry:
So little time?! 7 months is a VERY long time in the phone business.
[HD2 General] Sultan1993:
tweetphoto . com/11586206

i can't post links :(
[HD2 General] pack21:
The Lord is with us!

Aleluia.

:D

Maybe, but with the same SO base.
[HD2 General] derScheich:
the guy who made this photo stated already that its a fake.
[HD2 General] Moandal:
The fact that "Photos" is spelt "Foto's" makes it totally obvious that it is a fake.
[HD2 General] danderzeth:
it's a dutch site (winmo.nl) and photos translate as "foto's" in dutch
[HD2 General] Oberoth:
Where did you get this info from?

Link?

I never read this...