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[HD2 General] ChefChaudart:
Ah ah ah ah :p

Why were you so hurry to buy such expensive phone ???

Weren't you able to wait some times to see if some issues raised :eek:

Your post is ... what´s the word you like to use ... ah yes ! your post is rubbish. :D

Sell you phone, you are not the kind of youngster that needs such a phone :D
[HD2 General] maxnik1:
Last week I sold my iPhone 3G 16Gb and two days ago I bought my first HTC device - the HD2. Yes, it has some bugs, yes, I reseted it several times, but overall the experience is great. From the problems, mentioned in the first post, I have only the last one, but the camera in my iPhone was nowhere near the HD2 one. So, I am very happy, it is a great phone with a great community. Someone complaint that you need to tweak the device before use it, but that is a positive thing, take the iPhone, which in most cases lacks the ability for customizations. I am really glad that I changed my device and I hope, we'll see some great ROMS, games and apps for the HD2.
[HD2 General] ijob:
I arrived on the Pocket PC scene with thge Xperia X1, I would say that this was my worst phone out of the 3 I've owned.

My second was the near perfect Touch Diamond 2, great.

My present one is the HD2, which despite the issues, I would not regret buying it as I believe and hope the issues will get addressed and sorted. Yep, the best phone I've ever had.
[HD2 General] Sylpheed:
My HD2 Doesn't have any of your problems, including the pinkish color in the center.

You can try Garmin XT instead of Copilot. Other then that, i think most of the problems can be fixed software wise, we just gotta wait for new roms to come out :).
[HD2 General] KB24@CL:
I want my click back!
[HD2 General] xaban:
Hahaha, that's the proper comment for this thread. :)
[HD2 General] drik:
I don`t know what`s the scenario with the starter of this thread but I have heard many complain in this way about HTC phones... hell Windows phones in general... many come from Nokias or iPhones and bought the phone only because it looks neat... others simply don`t look good enough in what they are buying...

I heard the same things when I got my HD... Everybody was "worst phone ever"ing it... The first HD was not perfect but damn it was way more satisfying to have than all the phones before him thus I found such comments plain ignorant... The HD2 is a major improvement not over the first HD but over PDAs in general and the few minor things with it are not the apocalypse people tend to say they are... When you buy a Windows phone you should expect things not going perfect... Its freakin` Windows did people own a damn PC before this? When did any version of Windows work perfect?

Bottom line the phone was just out and kind people on this forum already gave the tools to make it perfect, there are tweaks and tricks to make it the way you want it... Took me 30 mins yesterday to do this with my HD, I`m loving it... If that is too much than people can handle, they should take into consideration what people above said, and sell it...
[HD2 General] plexat:
I do agree with Dogtag. This is my 4th HTC and yes all of them started out as a waist of money. If you compare them with a 'phone' they are not that good. But if you look at them as what they are supposed to be; 'smarthones' the are really good.

Okay, some are better some than others but in the end I have never had that much issues with the HTC's I owned.

As for the tweaks, be careful what to use and what not. Some tweaks work fine on one device but do the opposite on the other one.

Just give the HD2 a try and you will see it is the best so far!
[HD2 General] xaban:
Baisically, HTC devices are for people that need more from their phone/pda and are not afraid to configure/tweak.

If you'd like to have a phone that will just do its job - get an iPhone.
[HD2 General] ijob:
HTC have made the best phone on the market, smart phone or whatever, blows everything else out of the water IMO.

HTC know this. It's been backed up by a multimillion pound launch advertising campaign not previously seen by HTC. So, it cannot/ shouldn't be compared to previous phones with problems at launch. HTC should have really sorted the camera/ sms issues out before launch if they were going to launch it as spectacularly as they have done.

What they have done is put the message out there, provided a phone that is the best phone on the market which is actually one of those phones that will tempt people away from the iphone and has done and unfortunately it has two big problems that has disappointed so many and probably put off many potential buyers.

The Satio has its problems also, although we all know what SE are all about. Not so with HTC.
[HD2 General] biou:
HTC sold many low-end but expansive phones, till Iphone. and Microsoft sleeped and is still sleeping. Now HTC finally decide to make a respectable phone, but MS still sucks.
[HD2 General] KapaGT:
My HD2 doesnt have any of the stated problems.. To those that have the pink center image I think there will be a fix by HTC.

If you dont like your phone buy a Nokia. (I own one to, so I can be simpleminded to) :)
[HD2 General] str0g:
official htc respons for camera issue was "send your device to service"

This phone is absolutly briliant if you really want to complain buy crap from lg or mac...
[HD2 General] ionrage:
I was very hesitant to buy this phone, despite waiting for it for a while, in part due to the issues that were highlighted. I took the plunge and all I can say is no regrets. I haven't experienced any of the problems you have mentioned, or either to me they are non-issues. HTC phones ain't perfect and I can say that from experience as I have used to date including this one, 7 HTC or HTC manufactured phones. But if you are not into tweaking and customizing, you might be better off with non-WinMo phones from the likes of Nokia, Apple, etc. In short if you don't like it, trade it in or buy another phone. Ain't no point wasting time hating the phone. You have a choice to choose another phone, the phone doesn't have a choice to choose another owner.
[HD2 General] simplymee:
To all of the people who are saying 'my phone doesn't have any of the stated problems', just out of interest, do your hardkeys light up BEFORE you press them then?

Is this mistake also tweakable, or do you just have to live with it. It's just such a stupid mistake it's insane. Lights which are supposed to guide you to the button you wish to push, lighting up AFTER you have pushed it. Funny.

It's like aircraft floor lights lighting up in an emergency directing people to the doors, but lighting up after everyone has attempted to evacuate
[HD2 General] spastik:
The only thing that really annoys me is the background static noise during voice calls...

I've contacted HTC and tomorrow will do the same thing with expansys. Probably will try to get a new HD2.
[HD2 General] jakem:
I'm not sure when you expect the buttons to light up but I just called my HD2 and the buttons lit up before the phone even rang - I didn't have to press anything. Is that what you are expecting?

As for your other problems, the volume in my earpiece is fine, the speakerphone does distort a little but it's still understandable and I expect it to be loud, texts are sent and received instantly and copilot seems fine to me.

I don't use snooze and would happily have it banned on all phones/alarm clocks anyway so I don't care if it can't be modified :)
[HD2 General] sunking101:
The speakerphone distorting is understandable?? Why is it??????
[HD2 General] sunking101:
To all you fanboys who say HTC phones need tweaking, they don't work out of the box etc, if I want a phone that works I should buy a Nokia....WTF??

I am a computer programmer, I know all about 'tweaks' but if I buy a mobile phone, I should be able to call and text people out of the box. My HD2 is the worst phone I have *ever* had simply because I cannot reliably text people and I cannot use the megaphone, sorry speakerphone because it is WAY too loud (yes, even on the lowest volume setting). As for the earpiece, that is also way too loud but there is a workaround. Each call you make, you have to tediously increase the volume and then decrease it in order to get an acceptable volume. Otherwise it is on maximum by default.

Quite simply, this is unacceptable. Yes the rest of the device is magnificent but if I cannot text or make calls on my mobile phone then it is junk. End of.
[HD2 General] hangloose59:
HD2 is amazingly great !

Hi Sunking,

I've been using HTC's for about 5 years, from Trinity, to Cruise, to Diamond, then HD and finally now HD2. I've flashed many ROM's on previous machines, I'm a power user using GPS for all maps accross Europe, I use bluetooth with 3 different cars, I use WiFi, I've installed like 30 different applications, etc. and yes, I use my phone as a phone, as well as a TV (via my provider, Orange).

I can compare with iPhone (I bought a 3GS for my daughter).

This HD2 is fantastic, INCLUDING with the stock ROM I have on the French device I received, as probably the first paying customer in France, on November 18th.

iPhone is for normal users, HD2 is for power users who know how to customise their device with relevant improvements, but not too many as it can overcharge or introduce bugs.

I've installed a number of Smaberg's improvement cabs, but not all; I decided not to install the Laurentius service pack as it brings to much changes when only part of them may be needed, depending on usage (I prefer the one by one approach).

Since I started using this very fast device, with best on market screen, it has proven extremely STABLE for me, and even has functionalities I hadn't seen on very late custom ROM(s for HD (such as the bluetooth function, with great user interfacen AND connection never drops - yippeee...).

There are many phones on the market, maybe you just need something else than a smartphone, try a different one if I may suggest, or customise/prepare your device as suggested in the xda forum, with many user inputs.

I also appreciate: having a second battery in pocket, 5 megapixel with dual led flash, using MS Voice Command (via shortcup on home page), and so much more.

I would just say: WOW HTC, that's a great brick in the wall with this HD2 !

I guess I'm real happy to have bought this machine.

BTW: SMS and MMS, and email work flawlessly and FAST, and reliably for me, out of the box.
[HD2 General] xaban:
Sunking, now you're just repeating yourself.
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
Chap,

If this is not a wind-up why don't you just cut your losses and sell?

It is obvious that the phone does not do the things you expect it to do as well as you were expecting. Did you not test it out first before buying it?

It's not worth getting into an argument with other users on here; stick the phone on ebay, get some money for it, then go buy another device. Simple really.

There is no way I am spending circa £500 on this phone without being able to assess it live and in the metal first while simultaneously watching the various forums on here for user comments and tweaking development. If it's not right then my money will be staying in the bank, keeping nice and warm...

WB
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
I love the phone. Half the fun of a device like this is tweaking the OS to improve things or, in the worst case scenario, getting them to work in the first place. If you haven't got this mentality can I suggest something a lot easier to use, a phone that hold your hand if you like as this isn't for you. There are plenty of Nokias and Sony-Ericssons that will fit the bill.

Good luck.
[HD2 General] jakem:
Sorry, you misunderstood me. Although the speakerphone distorts at it's loudest volume, I can still understand everything that is said. The distortion is not so great that it causes me any problems. I should also point out that the I don't think the speakerphone distorts any more than any other mobile phone I've ever used and this is my first HTC phone.
[HD2 General] wazaaappp:
nothing that a nive reg can't fix... X1 was nearly the same, lots of problems but after some devs. is one is the most powerful phones out thr. LOVING HD2 now :)
[HD2 General] bliss_12345:
Pagnell - You read my mind!

Great phone. Tweaking is what makes it extra special
[HD2 General] sunking101:
Yes, I know all about the tweaking and I'm fine with that....but not for *basic functionality*. There are no tweaks to get the speakerphone and earpiece to not distort. There are a few of us on this forum who have this problem, I am not trying to convince those of you with HD2s that are working perfectly that you have a problem. Can you not accept that some of us have faulty handsets? If this isn't a problem with every handset then that's great but mine is lacking in basic functionality and it has therefore turned me against the handset. To just say to me 'sell it on Ebay and move on' is preposterous. Why should I take a big financial hit without first moaning about it? I have waited a long time for this handset to hit the market and at best it's not ready for release and at worst I have been sold a lemon. The smaller bugs I can live with whist a hotfix is prepared but this speakerphone, earpiece and SMS problem basically renders my handset unusable.

I spent hours trying to 'tweak' these problems away but no registry tweaks exist to cure the speakerphone distortion and volume problems. The ones listed on this forum about incall and incall2 DO NOT WORK. So having spent the best part of a week trying to fix these problems myself, when I shouldn't have to, I am now venting my displeasure before sending my handset to HTC. Potential buyers deserve to know of the catalogue of bugs which afflict this 'smart' phone - that is one of the purposes of threads like these.
[HD2 General] Toss3:
That's what you get for being an early adopter. It's true for almost every device out there, but believe me - give it a month and most of the problems you mentioned should have been fixed. :) What's this sms problem you speak of? Have you tried contacting htc's customer service?

This is by far the best phone I've ever used.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
I don't have problem with high earphone volume.

Iam having a little bit more volume than my previous HD.

But, when i reduce it to half, it is o.k.

Sometimes, while travelling, i even need to increase to full volume to hear the other party in outside environment.

I see only a part of the HD2 users are having loud earphone volume issues and some are feeling normal.

So, may be a ROM difference or build difference.

(FYI, my hearing capacity is normal, as iam using my iphone 3gs in 80% volume:D)
[HD2 General] jakem:
It definitely sounds as if you have a faulty phone. I agree that you shouldn't have to sell at a loss so why don't you return it and have it repaired/replaced? It would be a hassle and it's a shame to have to do that with something so new and expensive but you're not really getting anywhere by repeating the same complaints here. You've accepted that you won't be able to tweak your problems away so what else are you hoping to gain from this thread?
[HD2 General] lucasgariglia:
Guys please i am confused, i have the problem with loud volume on calls, now my question is should i return it for a refund and buy a pay as u go iphone 3gs or wait for a fix? do u think all these problems are sofware or hardware?

Thanks.
[HD2 General] daleski75:
Having come from a 8gb iPhone then a 16gb 3GS to a 32gb 3GS I can honestly say I love the HTC HD2 a lot more because of the tweaking, you can customize the hell out of it and you don't need to 'jailbreak' it to do this.

True you should have basic things such as call quality, sms, email and so on working out the box and maybe you could give us a better idea about your sms problem.

Such as do you have a mix of sim and phone contacts, duplicate phone numbers against different contacts etc?

All first adopters normally pay the price with bugs, crashes and random weirdness but without 'us' no one would dare buy anything.

For me I can live with the undocumented features (bugs) as I like to call them because the functionality far outweighs the gripes I do have with this phone.

Like everyone has said here you can sell the phone on ebay or send it back to HTC to get it repaired/replaced.

At the end of the day you have the choice whether to keep it or replace it.
[HD2 General] daleski75:
Have you tried the INCALL and INCALL2 tweaks? they worked for me.
[HD2 General] gavinfabl:
my HD2 is better than all previous phones. I don't have problems and as stated before every new phone has bugs. however the HD2 is great out of the box and with a few small tweaks it rocks. I still have a blackberry and ipod touch but neither get close to the HD2. personal preference.
[HD2 General] Karlos G:
TBH I understand 100% where the OP is coming from.......

This is HTC's flagship device and whilst it's hardware and asthetics are second to none the OS and UI are far from the polished experience I was expecting from such a device.

Whislt there are already a hole bunch of tweaks to correct a number of the many problems/annoyances with the HD2 it remains that for some people who do not want to spend the time on forums searching them out they are left with what can only be described IMO as a Beta version phone.

For all the fanboys that are going mad at the thought of people vocalising the fact that there are problems with their beloved devices, get a grip and accept that there are failings that should have been addressed before release!! :p

I think the phone is a truly excellent device and i'm very very happy with it!! :D

But...... I did have to correct a number of issues to get to that state of happiness ;)

Karlos.
[HD2 General] terrytpot:
have I missed the point?

Not got one myself (yet) but was fairly certain that nowhere in its specifications did I see: "this device is psychic and will automatically turn on the light on any button that it thinks you might be about to push"...find me a ROM that delivers that and I'll be very impressed ;)
[HD2 General] sunking101:
If the screen is illuminated, so should the keys be. We are not talking about the buttons lighting up by ESP but if you are navigating the screens with your fingers, the hard keys should be illuminated. Face it, the ONLY time they illuminate is when they have been pressed. That means they need never light up, it's like opening the stable door after the horse has bolted ;-)
[HD2 General] sanibak:
sunking 101,

In my opinion, and you have every right to express yours, however I don't agree with the topic heading of "HD2 = Worst phone I've ever had", "HD2 = the best phone I've ever had". The HD2 is a little rough around the edges and as others have commented, those of us with the HD2 are early adopters and must expect a few issues with first release software builds.

I do agree with some of your comments on the issues you are having.

The volume levels and control are not the best and need to be fixed (am taking a wait and see approach)

HTC sense UI snooze functionality on reminders and alarms are lacking the control fucntionality that WM has previously had and needs to be fixed to at least meet WM functionality (am taking a wait and see approach)

I find it frustrating that I have to use the WM 6.5 calender to cut and paste appointments when I need to edit them in the calender, rather than the being able to do so from the Sense UI calender and other functions that are similar

I don't have any issues with messaging, in fact I am really impressed with the Sense UI messaging interface, its a pleasure to use.

Hardware buttons lighting up... not an issue for me but can appreciate your point of view.

I hope you get your issues with messaging resolved. If I had the same issue that would be a deal breaker for me as well. Good Luck!!
[HD2 General] jakem:
I'm glad the buttons aren't permanently lit up the way you describe as that would be completely unnecessary. The only time the lights have to light up is when you have an incoming call and, as I stated earlier, that is exactly what they do do. I don't have a problem with the buttons lighting up after you hit a button because at that point the phone knows that you want to use the buttons but lighting them up whenever the screen is on would just be an unnecessary drain on the battery.

I can't think of any other phone that behaves the way you have described so I am struggling to see how you could use this as evidence that the HD2 is the worst phone ever. At this point I'm beginning to think your phone is fine and all your problems are simply down to operator error.
[HD2 General] sunking101:
LOL. Every single phone I've ever owned has a keypad which lights up when the phone is being used. The HD2 does not. The keys are supposed to light up for when you are using your handset in a darkened environment. If they light up when a call comes in, why not when using my phone to browse the internet or any other application for that matter? The back button and home button are used often! Anyway, the keypad illumination is not a problem I particularly worry about - it is just tacked onto the long list of problems I have with my device.
[HD2 General] TartanArmy:
The way i see it is that you dont need the keys generally as everything can be done via the screen.

call/answer/home/start/hang up

Only thing i can think of that i can't access/find from screen is quicklist.
[HD2 General] mobile88:
This is rude. My HD2 has NONE of your stated problem. Infact I find the volume too soft for my liking and my SMS is OK ( infact i loaded back about 800 SMS from my Touch Pro2 ) onto it
[HD2 General] wacky.banana:
Sunking101,

Just so there is no misunderstanding, I quite agree with you that a device, any device, should do the basic things it was designed for time after time, straight out of the box. On this point I truly understand your frustration.

I was at this point 3 years ago when I bought my TYTN, running Winmobile 5. How the hell the phone survived the huge urge I had to take a hammer to it I do not know! My salvation was discovering XDA, hard SPL, cooked roms, etc. There is no way you should have to do any of this just to get the basic functionality of the phone to work as intended.

My suggestion re selling the phone was because I sense your frustration and disappointment at what you have bought (ie you are truly pi$$ed off with the phone). If that is the case then I still think you should cut your losses and get rid.

Hope this sets out the context of my original response.

Cheers.

WB

PS: Have you thought about getting a replacement handset from your supplier/HTC, just in case you bought a dodgy example? Also I appreciate you wanting to off steam but how much of a kicking are you giving to HTC who are the true culprits here (final end product "not fit for purpose")?

PPS: You never answered my original question: did you test a working example of this phone before buying it or did you buy it blind?