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[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Well, After reading all these posts I was put off getting my HD2 and before I had chance to cancel it, it arrived today. My god I'm so glad it did because I have no idea why all the moaning is going on here. Its excellent!

Typing SMS's are so easy, I haven't made hardly any mistakes at all and I write them quite fast too. No lagginess and no complaints, apart from leaving programs open, but I've sorted that now!

Really, I don't understand, do you all have faulty devices or are you not used to this? I came from a Hero with a capacitive screen and typing is just as good for me on the HD2 as it is on there.

Very very happy it arrived and I didn't cancel after reading all these posts. Hope you get it sorted, but think with the amount that have actually been sold and the so few complaints its either a small faulty batch or a minority of people who aren't used to the phone.

Swap for an iPhone? No chance, my brother used my phone today and begged me to swap for his iPhone... why? Because this screen is massive, it does so much more (apart from the 10000 pointless iStore apps, give or take a few which are actually decent) and its so customisable for a locked down user interface.

Best thing I bought and can't wait for the car kit to come out, that looks emense!
[HD2 General] addyb:
Have you got a link for decent pictures of it? Not had a proper look myself.

As for Satnav well that doesnt bother me as i rarely need to use it and have a dedicated tom tom device for when i travel anyway.

I guess it comes down to Android or Winmo and which id prefer. Again never used winmo and only played a little with android on the wifes hero.

Suppose i will just keep following these threads in the leo forum for the next 3 weeks and then make a decision when its my upgrade date.

LOL ive been waiting for the HD2 for mths as well and then all of a sudden im starting to change my mind! Why why why do i do this to myself! :D
[HD2 General] GToon84:
I am afraid that after much showing off of this phone I have called Vodafone and requested to return it which they have accepted.

I have loved this phone the last 6 days (annoying pink camera thing aside) but have began to realise more of the faults today. Checked my outbox today and saw over 10 unsent messages in there. Not happy about that.

The constant connecting to my mobile web connection does get quite annoying.

Battery life hasn't been too bad for me but still not too good.

Beginning to get some lag on my text message screen.

Guys, don't get me wrong this phone could be immense and is so close to realising its full potential but I don't want to wait months for these problems to be fixed at which point if they are not I am too late to return my phone.

Don't know which phone to get though...
[HD2 General] erik.alphenaar:
Might just be your pocket outlook trying to sent them 10 messages, ey? :)

All fun and jokes aside, what grabs me in this thread is that the HD2 actually seems to be a serious iPhone contender, judging from the amount of previous iPhone owners.

The iPhone provides an extremely neat finetuned experience albeit more shallow in posibilities. And with the HD2 you may have a more bumpy ride, but the amount of possibilities are far greater with such a speedy and slightly more open platform.

I have never been interested in that apple stuff, but my conclusion would be that the iPhone is way more suitable for the mainstream public atm. And thus a switch from some of those users will result in these complaints.

Really, when I see 10 msgs still in my outbox, the 1st thing that springs to mind is network/connectivity, but never the device/brand itself. When you see constant "unwanted" connections being made, just check and see what apps are using your connection. I did, and my phone is offline for the whole week when I want it to be.

Could be something that some users will see as the biggest con, but I personally feel that this platform can give me more control this way.
[HD2 General] GToon84:
My phone is now barely sending texts anymore.

erik.alphenaar I think you're right in that this phone could be so much better than the iphone but there are a fair few underlying problems that cause me some unrest.

I think I'm still going to return it and look on in envy down the line once these problems have been fixed
[HD2 General] votdfak:
Hear it from Iphone user going for HD2.

Capacitive screen, i bet that user exp is on par

Full active sync, i need that as ms exchange user

GPS, list of vendors to choose from

Audio, Iphone's got a lead there but I am hoping for good audio perf (i will be using sennheiser IE 7 headphones)

iTunes, no more of that story again, just good old drag & drop

Anyway, the list is long one...

HD2 is a breakthrough device for WM platform and I am really trying to understand people bashing HD2, but reasons like "msgs stuck in outbox", please.

Obviously there are some problems with camera, but who wants to use phone camera anyway? Use DSLR's instead...
[HD2 General] votdfak:
Let me add some more...

Being from the industry I have more patience for tech than average guy...
[HD2 General] Xeon:
:rolleyes:Something I noticed is that only people with < 10 posts and registered lately are bashing HD2 and trying to convince us that Iphone is somehow " better" .. something fishy in the thread. Just my 2 cents..:cool:
[HD2 General] erik.alphenaar:
Exactly, although I'm focussing more on join date ;)

And that assumption actually confirms some stuff I posted earlier.
[HD2 General] firedup:
Had mine a couple of days. Enjoyed doing all the tweaks as usual but I have to admit I'm starting to get pretty p***ed off at a few basic things not working. No You Tube, BBCi player doesnt work and cant get my citrix client to work.

Ohh yeah and STILL no flash support for winmo????

Arrrghhhhhhh!!!!!!!!
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
If you mean flash support in ure browser, google for another one than IE and Opera :)
[HD2 General] GToon84:
Oh I see, so my comments are rubbished then simply down to the fact I have only recently joined and you assume I don't know what I am talking about.

I have not nor intend to own an iphone and am simply very annoyed that my phone seems to struggle in carrying out the most basic of tasks.

If you actually read my posts I have stated that I think the phone is superb in almost every department but just has a few shortcomings that I don't think will be fixed until the next batch are built which i don't want to wait for while still having the same problems with people not receiving my messages etc.

votdfak - what is wrong with my comments about messages stuck in outbox when there is a whole thread here about this very problem. To me that seems like such a basic problem that no phone should ever have.

Thanks for no help at all guys.
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
Not 100 percent true.

If you read my post I'm not exactly 100 percent happy with the HD2 and in many respects it compares VERY unfavourably with the iPhone for a device that is so clearly marketed as an alternative.

For a social network addict like me it's a five point fail for the HD2 when it comes to its onscreen keyboard, Twitter clients (built in or third party), and Youtube, IM and Facebook options compared to the iPhone. The only reason I'm moderately content with the Hd2 is that it feels nice in the hand and I like the browser and ability to drag and drop combined with its raw processing power.

On many other levels it is nothing like as friendly or convenient to use as the iPhone when it comes to common socially-orientated tasks. When you add to this the horribly tinny speaker and camera colour tint issue I forgive people for being a little cynical about the device AS SOLD. I do expect HTC to do something about most of the software issues soon though.

...And you should find my post count is more than ten ;-)
[HD2 General] Xeon:
As a previous HD owner, You Tube worked fine with win6.5 so I can't understand why it shouldnt on the HD2.

The main reason why I want the HD2 because I hate the screen of the HD. I was really disappointed to see the screen bending when tapping and the low sensitivity it has specifically on the edges. I can't bear it. Even though people are reporting the screen is too sensitive, this is my wish after all. I'd rather go for a real touch screen with high sensitivity. Who wants a touch-like resistive one anyway?

I won't talk about the extra things like the 1GHZ processor and the 4.3" screen and slim design.

My last word. If you were happy with the HD, there is no way you are gonna regret buying an HD2.
[HD2 General] votdfak:
c'mon people u can't multitask on iPhone. entering msgs takes ages. tons of useless applications. without jailbreak it's bull.

@gtoon84

if you got important mail to send, u'll certanly check if it went through...
[HD2 General] Xeon:
I am glad to see that most of the cons reported are software related and not hardware. The camera is not much of a big deal as it is IMO a feature.

HTC clearly states that all sold devices are primary business phones and not multimedia ones. They were not made for gaming nor high quality video playback which justifies the lack of driver support.

We have a capable device, we need to work on the software side. Don't forget that we are currently using the first stock ROM and usually HTC releases an upgrade once all the bugs are collected.

Forgive me if I am wrong but I have never seen a professional handheld user owning an Iphone.
[HD2 General] addyb:
Certainly agree with the other points but entering msgs dont take ages! No idea how your typing! :p
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Messages on my brothers iPhone take a while to load due to the sheer amount of messages in the inbox, but that may well be the same here, nobody knows as its not been out long and nobody will have 1000+ messages in their inbox yet, will they? (someones gonna prove me wrong here I bet)

Flash support is due to come out soon from what I hear, for IE as it was in the pre-built firmware but not in final end.

You Tube works for me, BBCi Player works for me (with HD Tweak) and Citrix works for me too, I connect to my company computer with no issues, apart from the screen still isn't big enough :)

These are all software too, imagine what the device will be like with new Roms, I personally can't wait, neither could the hundreds of thousands of iPhone users when they finally got MMS!!! among other things so many months after the phone was released.
[HD2 General] votdfak:
the point was this... when u have a lot of msgs... it takes seconds to enter messaging on iphone...

and what's with the hurry? i don't get that either :)
[HD2 General] addyb:
Sorry my mistake. I thought you meant typing msgs! Sorry mate.
[HD2 General] votdfak:
np :)

i like when i click on stuff to get instant response... ok, that's fine...

but really i don't get that virt keyboard input speed thing... ok, i am not using t9 & stuff... it's not that well optimized for serbian language... for me it makes no diff if i type my msg 5 sec or 10... crazy
[HD2 General] addyb:
If i was to get the HD2 mid dec do you think that they would of sorted out the camera issue on that batch and potentially any other little bugs?

Im not overly concerned about the camera or the other little problems as i know the majority have fixes already. I wont use the camera a great deal anyway. I just wondered.
[HD2 General] MonnieRock:
A Tool

Hello Everyone,

For myself and those who work for a living and need to have a productive device, a tool, that connects to work servers, a step away from a notebooks, running business /work application, no time for social network sites, Bless you HTC !! I can not wait to get a HD2.

Those of you that want a toy, entertainment, and a device to access all your social networking sites, this might not be the device for you.

A tool. You would not use a hammer instead of a screwdriver. Nor would you use pliers instead of a hammer. Just because this tool does not do ALL, does not mean it fails.

Well said :D

Thank you,

Monnie
[HD2 General] brinlarden:
i dont think that quote really cuts it. considering all the **** to do with facebook and twitter integration on this phone. it really feels like a multimedia phone. i want the fudge drivers!!
[HD2 General] votdfak:
agreed. this thing is meant to be multimedia phone.

there is pro series for business...
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
May I ask...

What in God's name is a 'professional handheld user'?

If this is such a professional, work-oriented 'work server' device why the Facebook/Twitter/Youtube integration?

Why the flowery, poncy gallery features and Coverflo style album art?

Why have so many UK networks taken this phone as a potential draw to the GENERAL public?

I doubt many of the tens of thousands of Vodafone and T-Mobile customers who got this device last week bought it to connect with bloody work servers; they bought it for THIS and THIS. Can you TELL ME where in these OFFICIAL HTC VIDEOS FOR THE HD2 it describes 'a productive device, a tool, that connects to work servers, a step away from a notebooks, running business /work application, no time for social network sites'.

The iPhone does what it does very well, and this phone is clearly trying to compete with it in terms of features. look to the facts: HTC IS MARKETING THIS PHONE AS A MULTIMEDIA AND SOCIAL NETWORKING DEVICE. There is NO doubt about that. It CAN connect to work servers, but it is not sold primarily for this purpose. If you don't believe me, watch the official HTC videos again.

There is no harm in comparing this to the iPhone, and the iPhone is not a 'TOY', it is a very well-designed piece of kit that was marketed with a very clever business model and that has brought about a revolution in Touchscreen software design. So sit there with your HD2 slagging off the iPhone, but if it wasn't for Apple's device you wouldn't even have the HD2 to masturbate over. I'm happy to enjoy both devices. Neither are perfect, but both have their relative merits, and I'm keeping both for the time being.....
[HD2 General] Xeon:
It is obvious that HTC with WM OS is trying to the multimedia capability the Iphone was born for. The HTC was never intended to be for such applications but it had to support it for the sake of competition.

Iphone was made to be eye candy, easy to use, with the ability to play, listen, watch multimedia files. At first it was clear that it was not useful when you were looking for a device with Gprs, MMS, basic functions, Radio, Video recodering, Vcard, forward sms etc.. Apple knew it wouldnt stand a chance versus HTC so they started adding features WM devices got.

Both devices are trying to catch-up on the long term.

I would agree that Apple and HTC are both great devices but think about it for a while; HTC is still not a very good multimedia device BUT Iphone still lacks ages behind HTC when it comes to customization. Seriously, I can do whatever I want with HTC. I can even remove the entire OS.

What do I mean by business/ professional use?

Simply, the ability to run and emulate/simulate ANY User Interface or OS.

I can :

- run Android on it

- run Iphone GUI ( I bet you cant tell the difference)

- Change the BT stack driver.

- Customize/FLASH/INSTALL ROMS

- Add Language support.

- Play with the registry

And the list does not end.

IS THE IPHONE CAPABLE OF DOING ANY? NO! PERIOD.

I need a flexible device not one piece of coded OS.

Thank you.
[HD2 General] tzangPro:
People nitpicking on the HD2 in favour of the iPhone must genuinely believe that the iPhone had an easy ride on release and that certainly isn't true. The iPhone has come a long way from continuous improvements and anyone who has chosen to buy a HD2 due to its hype and technical achievement is... how should I phrase this... at fault for jumping in and making assumptions on a newly released phone in comparison to a phone that has been out and improved over a period of 2 years, 5 months and counting.

The HD2 has its flaws (at present) and I've yet to encounter any major issues apart from a faulty phone which has been replaced since. Minor niggles include a distorting speakerphone at 80% and higher loudness (and don't say the iPhone doesn't distort, I know it does) along with rather poor bluetooth performance on various devices (better than the iPhone's original bluetooth restrictions). Other than that, everything else works smoothly, ranging from managing several e-mail accounts on the go to having a decent battery life (for a smartphone) at just over a day on rather heavy use (minus Wi-Fi but with everything else on and the most frequent update frequency selected).

As for the interface, HTC has made an interface they believe suits most people, quite a few of us just don't quite agree with it... you either live with it or change it. I have modified my phone a fair bit, not just with registry tweaks but with third party apps to suit my needs, the keyboard being one of them and many mods can be found documented in this very forum! It doesn't take a scientist to figure these out or implement, you can also trial many of these apps to see if they solve your problem(s).
[HD2 General] lpsi2000:
After reading numerous posts here there is only one conclusion. Get it and try it for yourself. I personally love the device and yes it was a little too sensitive at first and also I wasn't familiar with the device. Over the past couple of weeks, I have discovered many things including how to effectively use it. I think a lot of people are looking at the price tag and hoping for a miracle.

What I find very interesting, I finding myself tying with both of my thumbs while the device is in portrait.
[HD2 General] Catman3146:
Just by way of an update, I have decided to keep my HD2, rather than returning it in favour of an iPhone 3GS.

Applying some of the tweaks that can be found on this site has significantly improved the browsing experience in Opera (particularly being able to click links while zoomed out - why would this not be enabled by default???) and reducing the touchscreen sensitivity has also helped in general use (although I still don't like how the screen jumps around when your finger isn't moving).

Regarding the erratic behaviour and App switching mentioned in my original post, this was mainly caused by me accidentally touching the top-left corner of the screen while holding the phone (i.e. user error) - I guess I'm just not used to having a phone where the touch screen is so close to the phone's extremeties.

I'm still having a few minor issues with the phone and the lack of apps on the Windows Marketplace is disappointing, but I realised that I could buy an iPod Touch and keep my HD2 for the same price as an iPhone, if I really start craving some of the apps I regularly used before.

Overall I would say that pros just about outweigh the cons for the device (particularly the huge screen real estate for web browsing), although HTC should have done more usability testing if they truly wanted to compete with the iPhone on anything more than hardware stats alone. I can't see the HD2 becoming the massmarket consumer phone of choice (i.e. a true iPhone killer) any time soon - its flaws will most likely relegate it to a niche item, similar to its predecessor.

Thanks to everyone who provided helpful, constructive comments in this thread.

Catman
[HD2 General] madindehead:
I'm glad some of those fixes worked for you. That is exactly why they are there! To perfect an excellent device. Like I said, we are so lucky to have this site and the amazing developers who work to make our device the best it can be.
[HD2 General] maati:
@Cartman

To me, typing on the HD2 is a better experience than on the iPhone. The keyboard reacts just as fast and precisely, but the keyboard itself is even better and bigger, thus easier to use than on the iPhone IMO.

About the browsing experience: There are some areas where Opera Mobile falls short of Safari, but there are just as many advantages.

Pinch-To-Zoom strangely does not work as good and having to zoom in before being able to click a link is annoying. It also shows some strange behavior sometimes, scrolling all by itself and similar annoyances.

On the other hand, the screen is much bigger and the resolution is much higher, so that you don't have to zoom in and out all the time, like you do on th iPhone.

I think the browsing experience is at least on par with the iPhone's, if not better, thanks to the great screen and some features in Opera Mobile that Safari does not have.

About the Marketplace: You don't have to buy ypur programs from there! Other than on the iPhone, you can get apps from third-party sites and stores like of course xda-developers, handango.com, freewareppc.com and lots of others.

Though it may not be as easy to use, because it simply has lots more features, I think the HD2 outperforms the iPhone in every aspect - hardware and software.
[HD2 General] Gustopher:
You made some fair points in the rest of the post above, but the statement above is utter hogwash.

Like many others on this site, I have been using touchscreen PDA Phones, many of which were more feature-rich (if less well designed in the UI) than the iPhone years before the iPhone was even a bulge in Steve Jobs' pants.

If anything, the iPhone owes HTC, not the other way around. The HD2 would be here in some form or other even if the iPhone had never existed.

One of the fundamental differences between the iPhone and the HTC stable of phones is the O/S and it is the same o/S that has driven (and continues to drive) some people away from WM-based phones.

Credit where credit is due, the iPhone's UI was slick, if limited and perhaps a little dated now. Microsoft have the opportunity to level the playing field with WM7 apparently as little as a few months away. Dear lord, please don't let them bugger up this O/S too...
[HD2 General] Klaus1960:
Serbian

Could you elaborate a bit on that? I need Serbian, although my primary language is English. I like to read Serbian and am compiling a Serbian-English Dictionary in ListPro/Mobipocket. I am torn between the Sony Ericsson X2 and the HTC HD2. What would you recommend? Hvala Vam puno!!!
[HD2 General] Beefheart:
Agreed, I question the age and knowledge of some posters, I had a O2 XDA II (basically a rebranded HTC Himalaya) for my work phone long before Steve Jobs had his first wet dream about entering the phone market.

I wouldn't be surprised if leoni1980 thinks the iPod was the first portable MP3 device too.
[HD2 General] htc12345:
I have the HD2 now for a week, immediately flashed the ROM to 1.48 for all updates. I can second that Opera is a bit picky when zoomed out, that battery needs recharging every 1 day when using wifi and bluetooth, and that the speaker is distorted.

Furthermore one great piece of mobile gear! I keep it :)
[HD2 General] Cret:
I've had mine for a couple of weeks and I love it to bits - it's an awesome piece of hardware.

The Sense UI is fine aftera few tweaks like the 20 tabs cab etc - removes the need for SPB shell so you still get the nice looking front end.

I have two gripes though.

1) Minor - battery is pants compared to Touch HD

2) MAJOR - the hardware buttons/lock thing - it's a nightmare.

Other than that the phone is amazing. I've not experienced any of the other problems people have had.
[HD2 General] SamStone:
I have both a 3GS and a HD2 and while I share one of the main frustrations vented here, the keyboard, I have to say that I love everything else about the HD2 and use it every day. For me it's faster and in the style and looks department the HD2 has it all over the 3GS. For me the keyboard is a major complaint, I just can't learn to use the full qwerty but the compact qwerty works somewhat OK although not as good as my previous Omnia finger keyboard. Still you can't have everything and maybe I'll find a keyboard that I like or HTC will make some user-friendly modifications in the next update. I have installed 1.61 on my phone and that made quite a difference but the keyboard still has a ways to go.