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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ephestione:
interesting analysis, and I sort of understand/approve of your points, I just need to partially dissent from the last one. Not saying privacy couldn't be a reason enough, for manufacturers, to not include that function in a phone, but in case a trojan happens, then with all your data potentially stored on the device, which may as well include personal details of all your contacts, economic transactions made with the same contacts, plus a load of other info... trying to "contain the damage" by disabling call recording would be just like trying to fill a hole on the bottom of a boat which has already lost a whole bottom panel.

Anyway, not being a technician in any way, my "silly conclusions" say that if you can manage the incall volume with the rocker buttons on the side, and have a visual feedback of that, it means there IS a software "hook" somewhere that manages the sound of voice in-call, so there also must be a way to intercept that hook and deviate the sound to the recording software...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] atreal:
The aim of "analysis" was to question for the reasons of such thorough manufacturers limiting the ability to record calls. And I agree that these security reasons are nuts in terms of common sense but again who knows this manufacturers decision path.

I'm also sure that there are no hardware limitations taking your easy example as illustration.

Although as you said when you press Volume Up WM gives command to driver "Volume UP" but driver could make say mute instead. What happens with call recording is that WM says driver to give stream from phone line but the driver gives stream from mic instead.

To rewrite driver is quiet complicated not to say impossible in terms of time and wish. I'm even sure that driver is not needed to be rewritten as it would be very uncomfortable for htc to write several versions of driver with and without ability. I think there are still some registry driver switch needed. But to guess random switch is not easier then to rewrite driver imho.

As far as I can understand all those custom ROMs just combine dll exe from HTC's roms while putting in some custom registry and xml settings. They do not write any new code for drivers. That is why I consider giving this ability with custom roms unlikely unless there will be leakage from htc or other manufacturer for same sound modem and processor chipset.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] EvilBetty:
Ha, response from Vito Technology... :mad:

Well I guess I better have everyone uninstall it from all their 6.5 phones.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ephestione:
totally agree. The optimistic part of myself still tells me that as long as there are monkeys beating on a typewriter, Romeo and Juliet will finally appear :D
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] atreal:
Big chance
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] epdm2be:
Hi folks. My story is not HD2 related but is quite similar. I currently have an Samsung Omnia (1) where Vito Audio Notes Touch 1.03 work perfectly. I bought that because of it's led-lamp which can be used as a torchlight and because of this in-call-recording. I recently bought an Omnia II. The first thing I tried was incall-recorsding with Vito Touch. And on that phone NOTHING gets recorded. So the situation is even worse on recent samsung WM-phones. I returned the Omnia 2 to the store (though didn't get my money back) and had a heated argument with the shopkeeper.

He told me that I could never buy a "modern" smartphone if this was a problem. He was making correct assumptions that the Omnia 2 was a genuine improvement on the Omnia 1 especially in its screen. I replied that manufacturers should stop canabilising good products to make worse products albeit with better screens because hard-core WM-users want proper functionality first!

Since my horrid affair with the Omnia 2 and the heated discusion about the HD2 in here it's clear that I indeed can never buy a new smartphone. It seems that the same problems appear on Android too so that platform is also out o/t question. And sine the new developments on WM7 or also going the wrong direction I fear the worst.

I guess the big question now remains. Which o/t current new generation smartphones is able to have proper incall recording (with Vito Audio Notes touch or similar)?

Yes, change the topic as it's not only HD2 related but a full WM-topic,

Thanks

EPDM
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] atreal:
As far as I could see in Samsung Omnia II call recording is possible as registry keys to set are known. Search forum more thorough please. If not find write me message.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] hasan_abeer:
hi

i have omnia 2 now on hand and recorder works great with resco audio recorder 4.62 on 16 gb sd card ,i choose wave recording type ,i also put screen time off in samsung settings (never) all these setting makes my omnia 2

the bestest device on hand now(recorder,flash,high volume,lovely screen,and with cooked rom you have a memory space,...etc) while hd2 is on the shelf of unused devices !!!!!!!!!!!

rgrds
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] morgej:
In-call recording with Vito Audio notes works perfectly on the Touch Pro 2 / Tilt2. With a stock ROM, you may need to tweak the registry to enable, but it works perfect on the handset, speakphone, and Bluetooth headsets.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] enobrec:
please...

HD2....

this 3d is about HD2...and HD3...(.in few months)....NO CALL RECORDER for HD3...or 2...

NOTHING.....

No Thing..
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] epdm2be:
I don't think that that particular HTC model has a LED-light that can be used as a lamp. AFAIK only the Touch Pro and HD2 have this (and the necesary software to actually use the LED as a lamp). Unfortunatly of these 2 models only the old one has a working Vito Audio Notes. The problem remains. It seems that the new generation of phones is a step backwards on several things yet they have great screens and great performance (as if that's enough to win our hearts and money).

The problem isn't any better on Android phones because the only one with a working incall recording is the ancient hero (yet it has no LED-light).

Does that mean that'll better start collecting old Omnia's? Since the old omnia has a LED-lamp feature build in (by samsung in the settings menu) and fulle working Vito Audio Notes Touch works without any patches, registry hacks or other tricks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] carmendel:
I don't understand that cuestion. Led? I hope any solution... :o
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jetjockgordo:
Still looking for a solution to USA Tmo ICR

Hey everyone,

I have been scouring threads to see if there is anyone out there that can help with not having a In Call Recorder for stock HD2 ROMS.

I guess we should bump this thread since I think there are still a couple of people willing to pay someone to make it work without using the speakerphone. I loved the ability to record businesses making me promises that I need a record of. Vito over the speakerphone is ok but only if in a quiet area (to record the other caller).

I will keep searching!!!

Regards,

Gordo
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] justintxu:
The same problem in the Diamond, but the ultimate solution was replacement wavedev.dll from the HD and now I did the same in my HD2 but it not worked because that file isn't for WM6.5

My theory now is, replacement a wavedev.dll from other WM6.5 device, maybe from Omnia II

Anyway I'm sure that the problem isn't the application (Vito audio notes, resco recorder, etc) and 2_Way_Recording.CAB the problem is wavedev.dll
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] morgej:
wavedev.dll

I have a TP2 running EnergyROM with working duplex ICR.

I tried to copy the wavedev.dll but I am getting errors in both Total Commander, Explorer, etc. due to the read-only ROM status of the file.

Anyone know how I can copy this file so I can post to this forum to try on the HD2?

:-)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Olioaglio:
Well, you could use HTCre and extract the dll from a .nb/.nbh file of a cooked rom from a device ICR is running.

Olioaglio
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ephestione:
And here I thought this thread wouldn't have led to anywhere, yet the concept to replace a dll related to the audio devices of the phone subsystem with the same one taken from a device where the ICR works, is pretty much feasible!

Anyway as long as you get errors trying to overwrite it, either you make a cab out of the DLL (and as far as I understand that should overcome the simple file copy limitation) or you cook that dll file in a nbh test flash image.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DrBasem:
sounds like a good logic as long as it has nothing to do with new snapdragon CPU.

I honestly do not think HTC actually disabled the feature. I , more likely, think HTC was and is "clueless" in the whole matter :) they developed the original software and it worked but never publicly realeased and now it just doesnt work for unknown reasons and they just dont and even cannot know why :D

HTC is a good and kind company that was led to success becoz of all the good intentions rather than the qualities of success. if want to see a company making its luck and fate, there is Apple (which i'm not very fond of btw) :D
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] adiec:
hiya guys an gals...

im very very new to this kind of thing so an ave recieved my new htc touch 2 just a day ago.

after searching everywhere for a way to remove the clock off the today screen i cant find a way to do it.

ive read a few things about manila doing things like that and giving options?

is there a manila for my phone an if so how would i go about installing it?

cheers

adie
[Windows Mobile Software Development] theguild:
Hello,

if I create 4000 HDC objects (via ::CreateCompatibleDC) and then destroy these DCs the memory allocated for them is "leaked". When i try the same operation many times the memory leak is only for the first operation (so it definitely there is a GDI pool).

My question is how to release that "pool-allocated" memory?

Very thanks to any help!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] theguild:
need help

Any idea what to check is very welcome! Thank you!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Philipp__:
hi,

you have to release an allocated dc with releasedc
[Windows Mobile Software Development] theguild:
Of course I do - that does not help at all.
[General Topics] orb3000:
Windows Mobile has long been neglected and tossed aside in the tech/geek community, but James Kendrick of jkOnTheRun recently wrote an article comparing several features on the two platforms and Kendrick finds that Windows Mobile beat out its Android counterpart. Multi-tasking, number of available applications, and the UI were all given Windows Mobile advantage with a tie between desktop synchronization depending if you like the cloud or computer method better.

Full article:

http://jkontherun.com/2009/11/23/windows-mobile-vs-android-winmo-is-better-than-you-think/

Please delete if already posted
[General Topics] RaptorRVL:
Well, he does have a point. But I've been using WinMo for years and years now. And now I have an HTC Hero and the whole experience with the Hero and Android is just much better.

For example the 'multitasking experience'. With multiple programs open, in my experience the WinMo devices always slowed down at some point. I don't have this all the time with Android. With WinMo it was annoying to have a lot of apps open. In Android it's not annoying, big difference. I guess the way the multitasking works is different.

Installing stuff on the SD was a bit of a pain. But re-formatting the SD-card (which can now be done automaticly, yeah with custom recovery) and using A2SD (apps to sd) and that problem is gone.

Anyway, back to my point. I was (and still am) a big fan of WinMo. But for some reason the -whole- feeling of Android (agree, with SenseUI) is just so much better for me. It all feels much more complete. A much more consistent experience all the way through.

WinMo did feel old in the end. And even things are much better now with 6.5.x it feels 'patched' and not very cohesive in the interface and OS.

Guess that's where the problem is a bit nowadays. WinMo is a great OS with loads of features and possibilities. But in the end a lot of people want a nice and consistent modern finger friendly experience. WinMo lacks that a bit. Which makes people 'feel' the other OS is better.

It's subjective, it's emotion... it's human.
[General Topics] Krisbo:
I used WinMo for a few years before switching to Android and I think of it as an old hat.

An old had you will always love but still, an old hat.
[General Topics] TheBrit:
I have used WM for several years - Android is new - and still beats WM for usability.

WM7 is just around the corner and hopefully will bring WM up to date. For now I'll use Android.
[General Topics] Vonrottes:
-shrug- I got a WMphone for the simple fact i use my phone for...well lets just say more then a celly.

Now i must say WM6 was kinda...well....it just sucked, lack of EVERYTHING, but with 6.1 and 6.5(official Versions) the limitations are becoming nonexistent.

I have not personally OWNED an official 6.1/6.5 phone or Droid.

But i do get to play with alot of phones.

Droid gets the vote as the next Danger:p

(God i hate that OS) Its for Kids, and app junkies.

Windows mobile gets the vote to the tide and true Business "people" and those who NEED a computer when one is not available.

And seeing as the new Samsung Behold II is Droid "Cube" just an example of the Kid/app junkie marketing:p

And yes WM is losing this battle...for now, but i think that 7 will bring them back in popularity..Along with the new Marketplace.

So it all really comes down to what you use your phone for and as always personal choice:rolleyes:

I dont really care for any of the Droids...Made by HTC or not, i just do not like them, their interface is just kinda annoying and a little...well Generic.
[General Topics] cmstackar:
Using my friend's G1 a while back, I can say that I like Winmo more(old android version) Besides, My primary device that I use winmo on has a 4 inch screen, so finger usability isn't a problem for me
[General Topics] galaxys:
Since Business use is the name of the game for me, I must have WM!
[General Topics] icreepin:
Well I have been on this forum for years and am glad I found this article and have been torn between WM or the android OS. before I voice my opinion I must also add that I work on black berry software and have touched the Iphone for development.

I for one will be going back to the WM when I get the TP 2. I own the hero and the BB storm and pound for pound for what I use the phone for WM is way better.

business apps

IT apps (network ect)

but if your just a regular every day user I think the android os is way better then the Iphone.

now when looking at a platform thats up and comming in a development aspect I think not to focus on the android is not only stupid but not good business sence.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Agree that android is becoming more impressive by the day. I'm getting the HTC Google Nexus One as my next toy! :)
[General Topics] gerryjoson:
Are there any android device's with a resistive screen with a stylus?

I can't think of anything worse than trying to work with spreadsheet's and word doc's with a finger based UI, the closest my greasy finger's get near my screen is via fingernail
[General Topics] bjrmd:
When it comes to listening to music the android OS does not have the tools needed by app developers for sound manipulation (see comments on coreplayer forum as well as elsewhere). Does not even have an equalizer. I am using pocket player and will probably stay put with windows mobile since this app does everything I need.
[General Topics] js1999:
Big Android Fan

I love Android and I love XDA.
[General Topics] netnerd:
android with capacitive screen really sucks! that is why i selling my Acer liquid on ebay! capacitive screen only works with finger where resistive screen works on finger, nail and stylus! (you have alot of options!).

if you do alot of texting or instant message with capacitive screen, your finger will get sore after awhile!
[General Topics] xManMythLegend:
You have no idea how much this aggravates me.

The lack of EQ makes it a non factor for music playback. Major fallback IMO.

Everyones entitled to there opinion....but this one is just delusional.

Capacitive screen are infinitely easier to use and reduce the "work" of your fingers. Its not even up for debate its like saying a 8 bit nintendo pad is great for FPS.

At this point in the game resistive screens and stylus are like metal keys and ink ribbon.

Capacitive screens + Trackball ((especially optical trackballs)) render resistive+ stylus obsolete.

In any case I really did love the power WinMo game me over my device. I do miss the ease of File management,Codecs , Registry tweaks , second to non Copy/Paste , and some other things im forgetting.

That said Android is just leaps and bounds more usable and functional on a day to day basis than WinMo.

Android really feels like WinMo 8. Unlike Iphone which is crippled and shallow , Android takes most of the great features and power users have on there WinMo phone but puts it in a MUCH friendlier and straight forward package.

The Apps are simply better looking and much easier to interact with. The memory management is much better. Multi tasking and notifications are smoother and smarter. Everything is just far more refined and seems well thought out.

My bottom line...WinMo 6.5 was the last straw. It was such a weak effort and simply ignored every single major flaw in the OS. Android has made more progress in one year than WinMo has made in 5. I refuse to give winmo my attention until it does something to demand it.
[General Topics] dawnbringer:
Nice post - agreed
[General Topics] netnerd:
how is it capacitive reduce the "work" of fingers when IT ONLY works on fingers? :confused: resistive screen works on finger, NAIL, and STYLUS! (more options!)

that is like saying driving to work save gas when cars only work on gas! (instead of riding a bike!)
[General Topics] 5hur1k:
This is a matter of opinion. Capacitive screen are inferior when it comes to handwriting and scribbling. You cannot compare WinMo UI with Android UI since one is designed for stylus and another for finger. Using Android with stylus is aggravating experience. Using stock winmo with fingers is equally aggravating.
[General Topics] xManMythLegend:
You do know what the word "resistive" means right ?

Needing to push and press is not going to be easier than something that picks up the instant you make contact.

Hence my point as to why its such a dated function.

Im not over looking the fact many users do need to walk around jotting down notes all day. But those users are in the heavy minority. Why would you choose to stop , take out a stylus to begin input when a few screen taps would suffice.

text/email/social networking/webbrowsing/dialing out , contact lookup/games Id wager thats a massive bulk of any smartphones workload. Why cripple all these just so you can scribble with a little more accuracy ?

The whole point is to make things as easy as possible with minimal input. The move towards voice to text should be another nail in the coffin of stylus/resistive screens.

The hurdles with capacitive to me seem to be UI design..not technology.

BTW I will say WinMo voice recognition and dialing >>>> Android voice. I sooooo miss Winmos speed and accuracy.
[General Topics] treiz:
meh

I used android for a year, it's kids stuff, it's like the Wii of cell systems. It's fun and flashy to begin with but that quickly wears off, and for all the progress that has been made, I would argue that most of the improvements included in these updates were things that SHOULD have been included from the launch!

I recently picked up my first winmo device, the expo, and I must say that I'm impressed. I'm not looking back even for a second!
[General Topics] corepda:
I have had Android & Windows Mobile experience in the past. I feel Android is fresh & better in terms of its speed & multitasking. But it can't compete winmo having such a large support reserve in terms of apps. I can expect a day when we Android has all the applications that winmo has & I will ditch winmo for sure.
[General Topics] Logicalstep:
I've used Windows mobile from WM2003se upto 6.5 and it has improved, but no way near as much as it should have in that time. WM dropped the ball and still haven't picked it up again yet.

The chances are WM7 will go some way to redress the balance but it's too little too late. Android will be the OS of choice for the majority of manufaturers this year and remmeber they don't have to pay a license to install it on thier devices.

Android for me will really develop this year with the Hero showing what it's capable of last year and phones like the Nexus one, which Gooogle will use to show off how they think a phone should work, as opposed to relying on other 3rd parties to impliment their software.

when I use WM compared to the Iphone, there is no comparison for usability, Iphone just works, it's super smooth and slick. Android has the same slickness of the Iphone with the openess of WM for development.

So for me WM is almost dead and Android will blaze a new trail for the Mobile OS and with the Andoird market starting to see many more great apps, the gaps people have on Android compared to WM should be filled quickly.

Fingers crossed for WM7 though as it's nice to have all the compatability you get with a MS product.

Personally if I were Steve Ballmer I would have shifted all focus onto WM7 to get it out the door last year. and I also would have kicked some hard up the arse for failing to have the forsieght to see this coming from the Iphone and Android and failing to be innovative enough to have come out with this without 'Having to'.

Logicalstep
[General Topics] netnerd:
you do know what is capacitive means, right?

i make "contact" with nail or stylus on capacitive, it doesnt work!, resistive does!

you touch/press the screen on capacitive just like resistive but resistive works on nail and finger too!
[General Topics] numaverick:
windows have wlmessenger..

android never have that, but I like the interface
[General Topics] fofal4k:
I would go with Android any day, Win Mobile just feels wrong.
[General Topics] yes_senpai:
Having used and developed for both systems I'd have to go with Android. Open source appeals to me so much. As for looks: Windows mobile OS (even with Touchflo and Sense ui) looks like some box window that just popped up on windows 2000. Even the apps people develop look old. Maybe i'm just to use to Android now.
[General Topics] yoshimi821211:
i 'm having WM
[General Topics] yoshimi821211:
And it's great for me curently
[General Topics] Jinson7:
I have had both and I much prefer the android device. All comes down to preference really.
[General Topics] galaxys:
Having both systems and recently trying Android, I'd have to go with Android for now. It is sweet! I'll try WM7 when ever it arrives? Both do have their plus & minus.
[General Topics] Ace42:
I never used winmo but i like the Leo but i think ill wait till later in the year to upgrade from my current android phone.