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[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
I talk about CorePlayer 2.0 in the CoreCodec forums almost every day.... We are working harder than ever on it. Fact is that there are no short term plans for a 2.0 release, as we continue to add more features to it.

Here are a few screenshots of a build that's a few months old (yes it is on an iPhone.. but remember the CoreUI interface is the same for all platforms for us)... many elements have changed dramatically since that build, so.... But you'll see where we are going with it.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Black_Tiger:
So next year ? 1,2, 6 months? :confused:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
No schedule for a release.. as I said. We are listening to feedback as we go along.. we want 2.0 to be as special as we know it is... that means we have set some lofty goals. But the changelog reads like a long winter book atm ;-)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] wins77:
i've been headache for it, thanks for your advise !!

it's working perfectly now, smooth and beautiful screen !!

Thank you so much !!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] skr_xd:
But, it seems as at the time when you decide to release core-player2 (In case if actually get released sometime which yourself not sure about:D), it may be obsolete.

I shall beleive the default players to get support for more video formats before the CP2 is out.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] greedydog:
coreplayer

i have coreplayer version 1.3.2 and its superb on the HD2 ,no probs at all
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Marcdu81:
I've bought also the latest version,every videos work fine .
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] LB280772:
Best settings for CorePlayer on HD2

Just my 2 cents, but for me the best settings (far more efficient than GDI or FrameBuffer) are to set it on DirectDraw configured as follow:

* Overlay with color key : not set

* Use Blitting instead of overlay : set

* Use device stretching for blitting : set

* Overlay format : Auto

...the difference is more than 50%
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] barty22:
Any info about Snapdragon video acceleration support in 2.0, beta boy? And of course .mov support, .mkv support, and hd resolutions support for h264?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
Having the "Use device stretching for blitting" set to on makes the video less well defined...edges are a tad blur.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] firiel:
Here is a link for the tcpmp subtitle plugin http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-tcpmp-subtitle-plugin.html

Worked for me with the tcpmp 082 that i grabbed from this thread. Just remember to switch video to gdi for it to work
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Cartman316:
Hi,

where can i set these settings?

Thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] LB280772:
Weird?! I tested with several video on different format (.MP4 and .avi) with different resolution. I don't see any visual difference with and without the hardware stretching activated.

... So for my part I still believe it is the more efficient way having the hardware stretching activated...

Menu>Tools>Settings>Select Page>DirectDraw

(don't forget to set the video renderer on DirectDraw in Menu>Tools>Settings>Select Page>Video)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Cartman316:
Problem solved. Thanks.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Cartman316:
There are much less dropped frames with this option * Use device stretching for blitting : set.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] romskii:
i want some ac3 plugin :D :P
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] maxibeginner:
Switching off all checkboxes and selecting YUY2 as overlay format instead of Auto will add extra 20-30%.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Cartman316:
On mine this setting doesn work good. Much more dropped frames than else.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] maxibeginner:
I got 260% on bencmark with my test video (624х352) vs 240% with blitting on and Auto.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] LB280772:
I used the following video as test : http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1HXCH55D

For all my tests I set on [Menu>Tools>Setings>Select Page>Video] the following config:

Video quality: High

Smooth Zoom : On

Dither: set

I tested 3 cases with DirecDraw

:

Overlay with colorkey : unset

Use blitting instead of overlay : unset

Use device stretching for blitting : unset

Overlay format : YUY2

>>> result : 167.69%

Overlay with colorkey : unset

Use blitting instead of overlay : set

Use device stretching for blitting : unset

Overlay format : Auto

>>> result : 133.33%

Overlay with colorkey : unset

Use blitting instead of overlay : set

Use device stretching for blitting : set

Overlay format : Auto

>>> result : 225.14%

I tested with GDI

:

>>> result : 124.53%

I tested with Raw FrameBuffer

:

>>> result : 139.02%
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Cartman316:
I get the best performance with these settings:

* Overlay with colorkey : unset

* Use blitting instead of overlay : set

* Use device stretching for blitting : set

* Overlay format : YUY2
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] LB280772:
When you check use blitting instead of Overlay... The overlay format is voided... :cool:... So it is equivalent to the config I had recommended
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Cartman316:
Strange, i get about 210% with the one i posted and about 180% with the config you recommanded.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] LB280772:
Have you run the test several times? You need to run each test case several times and make the average for each one, because since your device is multitasks it is possible that it was busy doing some background task like checking emails, checking network signal...

Can you use the same video I had used for my test so we can compare (see the link 4 posts above)?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Linuxmaniac:
Tytn Mode

Hi,

before my Leo,i owned a Diamond.

Using CorePlayer i had the option instead of just GDI,Raw Framebuffer,DirectDraw also to use the tytn driver or something like that it was called i don't remember exactly.I think it was the best in terms of performance but also image quality, now in my Leo pixels get somehow stretched.

Why don't i have this option now?Has it something to do with the lack of drivers (3D) ?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] LB280772:
The snapdragon, the new Qualcomm's CPU doesn't use the same Qtv chipset than the previous CPU line. So the current version of CorePlayer is unable to use the new chipset. It is not related to the lack of 3D driver support (To be a litte off topic, there are 3D drivers bundled with HTC HD2 but since it is a Snapdragon device it only supports OpenGL 2.0... The other modes (1.0 and 1.1) are emulated and it seems that the emulation is not perfect... You need to know that those libraries come from Qualcomm or AMD. It is not HTC that develops those OpenGL libraries). I remember that BetaBoy stated on the fact that CoreCodec were in negotiation with Qualcomm to integrate full support into CorePlayer, but that was some years ago (1 or 2 years) and I think the project was aborted (too much complexity to support all the particularities of the different versions of the Qtv chipset... problem with the backward compatibility).
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Black_Tiger:
CoreAVC 2.0 has just been released...

So now maybe, MAYBE they will focus on CorePlayer... :rolleyes:
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Mikey:
Warez...pirated programs are not allopwed on these forums.

Last warning.

Removed you program
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Karlos G:
Yes where can I get a AC3 codec? Anyone know??

Cheers!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Shasarak:
As far as I'm aware, you can't: if you want AC3 audio you'll need to use TCPMP.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] jwilam:
It is because only coreplayer can play flv file.

I don't like coreplayer neither. However, I need to play flv file on my htc; as far as I know only coreplayer does the job.

Or, is there any codec of flv format for wmp or the HTC internal video player?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NLS:
someone said the magic phrase... take too much time and you become obsolete

who cares is Core2 will be the best player for Windows Phone 8? (no I didn't mean 7)

latest core release needs an update BADLY... it doesn't have to be 2.0
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Psygnosis84:
Playing video off the CorePlayer lags alot, however playing that same video in WMP plays flawlessly.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] skr_xd:
It happens with .mp4 files as it cannot use full hardware acceleration.

Coreplayer is good for playing Xvid,Divx ,.FLV files.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] zooyorke:
hi,

i have a question about the core player using the blank screen function as a hotkey. everytime pressing the hotkey for blank screen while the player is playing music with the screen turned off... so far so good but when i press the hotkey again the the coreplayer closes but the music is still playing. so i have to open the core player again to change the music or to turn it off. now my question: is it possible that i press the hotkey button (while the player is playing music with the screen turned off) and i come back to the coreplayer screen instead closing the program?

regards

zooyorke
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mightymn:
So is there going to be some kind of hardware acceleration for snapdragon included ?

I remeber 2 was supposed to have H/W acceleration for MSM7200A, but that was a loooong time ago...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NLS:
Exactly - Core Player is already obsolete for whole previous (!) generation of hardware... think how obsolete is today.

Hope Core won't be releasing 2.0 (or whatever version will be sufficiently optimized) for Snapdragon when we start moving AWAY from Snapdragon. :D

I wonder why doesn't someone step in this market... After all this is exactly how Core started too: first some nicely done freeware, then commercial solutions.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Devish:
Hey Devs, long time reader, frist time poster....

I am using the curent version of coreplayer and kind of glad with it, since i dont need to convert my videos to watch them on my HD2.

Everything is running great if i watch the movies from my smart drive (2gb class 2) , but if i start them from my harddrive via wlan connection, it buffers from time to time, sometimes more, sometimes less.

So my question: Is it possible to make the buffer activity stop? Since its working great without any buffer, if i start it in benchmark mode...

i would really like to get some solution for this problem
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DuperMan:
Devish:

Try going to "Menu=>Tools=>Settings", "Select Page=>Buffering" and ticking the "Low Delay Streaming" box. Changing the Normal buffer size to 8192KB (same page) helped a little too.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Devish:
how much % buffering?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DuperMan:
70% preload for underrun, but you could probably get less standby times lowering it trial and error style.

64kb prelaod for audio.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Devish:
what are you talking about? where can i find this settings?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Jibreil:
It would be nice if someone could develop a custom skin for easy one Touch navigation.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] arturobandini:
pathetic delay

Actually, I do believe CoreCodec is unable to release its famous version 2.0. They talk about it for months and months, promised they would finally release it for september 2009 and now... we are almost in 2010.

They always find a good excuse to explain why they are so late: "we want to make it perfect, bla bla bla, bla bla bla...". If I'd behave like this in my job with my clients I would be fired.

But what have you done exactly during these past 2 years guys ? (I really would like to know)

As a result the current version 1.36 is totally obsolete, and the interface is not acceptable anymore on a 2009 device. It almost does not work on a ppc like the HD2 without stylus.

A company that is so unable to release a new product (and more over never stop announcing it and teasing the users) shall not be taken seriously.

Forget it, when you will release v2.0 (probably in 2011) it will already be obsolete.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Black_Tiger:
glad I'm not the only one to think that...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] ADO999:
I have one question: is there a way to watch hd movies on htc hd2 (so at least 1280*720). Coreplayer is only able to show 1008*xxx resolution.

Thanks for help!!!
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] zooyorke:
does nobody have an idea?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Kelthuzar:
correct me if i am wrong but REAL PLAYER does the job very good it plays both divx and xvid formats. So? can we have it on our winmo hd2 phone. Oh and it supports the snapdragon. :)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
We have removed such restrictions in 2.0
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
You are entitled to your opinion. But I will not comment on your 'flame' posting.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NLS:
Good choice beta_boy.

Whether you comment or not though, the company has to seriously consider not to pass over the "sweet-spot" that would make CorePlayer something the users don't want to know about.

Consumers are strange beasts. :)

You need to show that you are actually DOING SOMETHING soon. Be it 2.0 or 2.0beta or 1.40 or whatever.

You stayed long out of the News and soon this will be "too long".

You missed a whole generation of WM devices and going steady towards missing one more!

Microsoft can afford such tricks. Can you?
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kersh:
+100000 with that

no new releases, no new codecs, no AC3, no MKV, old gui, and no hardware acceleration.

Time ago finally I decided to convert all my videos to h264 mp4 and play it with the wmp. I can play videos with much more quality without skips and using less battery.

Coreplayer is dead long time ago.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Kersh... Your points...

- No MKV? We created it! Do you think we would release a product that does not support Matroska?

- On AC3... point the finger at Dolby, not this way.... There is a reason they don't allow AC3 on mobile, we just don't know what that is.

- On acceleration... Wrong again. Fact is no other multimedia platform supports more hardware acceleration schemes than CorePlayer.

As far as everything else... I guess doubters will have to wait for 2.0 to judge where it stands with what their needs are, and in the meantime we are greatful for the community that supports us and all our efforts.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NLS:
Well sorry but WMP on HD2 is accelerated for Snapdragon.

Hope this 2.0 (or whatever) comes soon.

As I said companies like Microsoft can get by with "will be ready when it's ready" (like for Windows Mobile 7) and even them, not for ever.

The last person that could safely say "will be ready when it's ready" was Michelangelo for Capella Sistina.

BTW I know I sound harsh but I really hope the best for your attempts.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] secoseco:
Hello beta_boy

I want to ask you if CorePlayer 2 will include MPEG2 and VP6V codec ??
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] kenkiller:
No harsh words but when oh when? There is no date in sight... :(
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] bronson25:
Yaya, i totally agreed !!! Im using it as well .
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] cAmmok:
Coreplayer misses the subtitle support...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] gaganaphone:
Omnia player

I'm not sure if it's possible but the original Omnia had a great video player. Played .avi's straight out-of-the-box.

Maybe we should try to rip that from the Omnia and stick it on our HD2s, but the resolution might be a problem and the Omnia does have a totally different processor.

Well, I don't know crap about this kind of stuff, just sticking it out there ;)
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Shasarak:
TCPMP supports AC3, why does its supposedly more sophisticated and infinitely much more expensive successor lack this support?

The statement that "no other multimedia platform supports more hardware acceleration schemes than CorePlayer" is a piece of truth-twisting that would shame even most Government spin-doctors. There is a very large number of devices on which CorePlayer has no hardware acceleration, and on most of them there is an alternative application which does; the fact that it isn't the same application on every platform is neither here nor there. On the HD2, for example, both Pocket Media Player and HTCAlbum are hardware-accelerated, while CorePlayer is not. The only reason you can make this claim is because CorePlayer is an application that runs on a large number of platforms and is accelerated on some of them. But why should the owner of any one individual device care about how many other devices CorePlayer runs on, or whether or not it is hardware-accelerated on any of them? What he cares about is how it runs on his device; and, if the device in question is an HTC phone running Windows Mobile, the answer to that is that it runs rather poorly compared to its hardware-accelerated rivals.

Making deliberately misleading, literally-true-but-not-in-any-sense-that-is-actually-useful statements like this does you no favours; it makes you and your company look as if you are resorting to desperate spin to cover up the shortcomings of a product which cannot stand on its own merits. That may well not actually be the case; but that's what it looks like when you make statements like that. A little honesty and transparency would do wonders.

As for doubters waiting for version 2.0, I confidently expect this doubter to have died of old age before CorePlayer 2.0 is released. :rolleyes: You guys really need to leave your development methodologies in the mid 1990's where they belong and come and join the rest of us in the 21st century. Seriously: that kind of get-absolutely-every-feature-working-before-you-release-anything-at-all strategy is painfully behind the times. The preferred approach these days (preferred because it works and produces more customer satisfaction) is to release in frequent incremental "time-boxes" (with lots of end-user feedback after each one, and an iterative approach to development). If it looks like you aren't going to be able to meet the original target for a time-box, then instead of bumping the release date, you release on time but with a reduced feature-set, and bump features into the next time-box.

If I (in my capacity as a professional software developer of 15 years experience) turned in performance like this, I'd have been fired many years ago.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] NLS:
Shasarak nailed it.

Even Microsoft these days has started to adapt to this methodology (and where they haven't, like WM OS development - you can clearly see the backfire).

Trust me CoreCodec Inc. you are NOT Microsoft.

Consumers can "market kill" you by snapping their fingers.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DMAND:
Coreplayer 2.0 seems more like Duke Nukem Forever or Gran Turismo 5 :p

I bet WM7 is released before Coreplayer
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] arturobandini:
+1. Totally agreed.

As I already said I am pretty sure that CoreCodec is actually totally unable to release its version 2.0. Those guys just did nothing during these last 2 years.

And the worst part is probably that their plan (if ever this v2 is leaked one day) is to charge us again after we already paid for an obsolete 2 year-old v1.32 (or v1.35, v1.36 whatever, they are the same... They don't even support AC3).

Betaboy really plays customers for fools.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] mamv:
One more for that bet :D

Although it's a bet I would love losing...
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Feeling the hating..... What's foolish are ppl who think they know everything. Let me ask you this.... Name one media player that plays AC3 on windows mobile (besides OSS). Can't name one? Go ask Dolby why. Not us.

On updates, again are you serious? We are obligated to pay royalties to IP holders for milestone updates. Again... Not under our control.

As far as 2.0.... CES was amazing for us and if you followed us on Twitter or our forums we have discussed our timeline for 2.0. In fact we have an announcement coming at MWC next month.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] stoolzo:
poor old beta_boy

I see poor old Beta_boy is getting a bashing again, been there, done that achieved nothing. The only thing that will work here is a payment boycott, simply dont buy the new version when it comes out.

What coreplayer may not have considered here (I say coreplayer, I suspect coreplayer only consists of Beta_boy sat at a PC in his mums garage), is by treating their customers and potential customers the way they have, when v2 is finally released nobody is going to have the slightest bit of loyalty to core and will simply download a cracked version. I was one of the idiots who believed the lies about V2 releases and bought V1 thinking a V2 version was imminent. It has been imminent for over 2 years now..

To be fair on Beta though he's tried to help where he can, his hands are clearly tied somewhere, I think one or more of these following scenarios is in play:

1. Corplayer really is only one guy which is why nothing is getting done.

2. Coreplayer have reached the intellectual limits of their programming ability and simply cannot deliver their promises, meanwhile keeping the idea of V2 alive will keep sales of V1 chugging along for all those in the dark about what is really happening.

3. They had a working release but it didnt support the latest 6.5 handsets and so they decided to hold it back and add support for these.

4. They have scrapped wimo dev and are concentrating on iphone and andriod which is where the best money is going to be as not as much of the software will be cracked.

5. The Coreplayer Team is actually a zx81 which was blasted into space in 1981 where it was upgraded / assimilated by the borg, 30 years later it was sent back to earth to infiltate and destroy our society as a prequel to our final destruction in 2012.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
Again.... We do not control this Dolby does.

On timelines.... 2.0 has deliverables. We have scaled many of them downward to get them into it now Vs. later. However we refuse to release 2.0 in an unfinished manner. We have stated on our forums and Twitter the exact things that we have done and where we stand.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] DMAND:
Bet it will all need to be redone when WM7 is shown, and what happens if WM7 WMP uses hardware acceleration for more file types, even the Zune HD is getting an update to support Xvid etc.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] beta_boy:
stoolzo.. None of the scenerios apply... But I do like 2012 thought :-)

I will now leave this flame. Thanx again for those that support us... We'll let the next release speak for itself.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] Audio Oblivion:
Hi Beta Boy,

Ive been reading this thread and alot of it makes me cringe.

I have only one question regarding v2 of coreplayer... how will it differ from current versions? (apart from the obvious gui changes.)

apologies if you have ansered this elsewhere and are getting tired of the same old question.
[HD2 Windows Mobile 6.5 Themes and Apps] arturobandini:
Funny :):p and I'm sure it's true :p