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[General Topics] markgamber:
I went through and other frustrations with HTC and at one point I swore I'd never buy another HTC phone again. Then I went and bought an iPhone. Problem is, while the iPhone is a pretty sweet phone, AT&T is still the same scumbag company regardless of what phone you own and Apple is even WORSE than HTC. Unless you jailbreak the iPhone, you can't do anything interesting with it and you're totally at the mercy of Apple and AT&T as far as apps and what you can do with them. Take Slingplayer, for example. It works over wifi, period. I can get it to work over 3G if I jailbreak the phone and install a utility that makes it think it's using wifi, but how much longer is jailbreaking going to be available? Apple is going to great lengths to put an end to jailbreaking thought patching the exploits that allow it to work and legally by trying to make it illegal to jailbreak it. You can't use your own sounds for message notification, you can't customize the screen, you can't do a lot of things. So Apple and AT&T take a nice phone and totally f**k it up. And that's why I'm back to using an HTC phone. In the grand scheme of things, HTC and Microsoft are, by a wide margin, the lesser of the two evils when put against Apple and AT&T.
[General Topics] rambo6:
I understand that HTC has limited the hardware so that even with the right software, the phones won't pick up frequencies for which they don't have hardware or antennas. It cannot be a big deal.

Always the optimist, I believe that if everyone who used this forum wrote HTC a letter demanding that they start putting the hardware in their phones to operate on multiple 3G networks, something positive might happen.

HTC has it in their power to make and sell unlocked phones. Five years ago, you never saw HTC's name on the phones. It was always, Cingular, T-Mobile, Siemens, Audiovox, etc. Now you see HTC doing direct advertising in the U.S. However, I don't think it will have any effect. The ignorant masses are so I-Phone crazy. The name HTC doesn't mean thing to them.

Soon that I-Phone will be sold on all the U.S. networks. HTC could advertise directly and sell tons of phones if the phones were unlocked and worked on multiple 3G networks. This is one of the principles of "Net Neutrality". People hate to be tied to any certain network. This idea of locking the customer into a two year contact to get a stinking phone is outrageous. Sure, the initial outlay for the phone is small, but the carrier more than makes it back with high than needed data connection fees. In the end, the consumer gets the shaft.

If HTC offered an unlocked phones with U.S. & Europe 3G, I'd buy a new one every few months if the phones were any good. I want an HTC HD2 right now. I'd also like to try an HTC Hero in a GSM 3G too. But I'll have to wait several months and hope my carrier gets it.

Let's not sit back and let this sorry situation continue. Let's spread the word and go after the HTC and get the message out there.
[General Topics] crl2009:
I'm not Dissatisfied with htc in regards to travel. But I am Dissatisfied with htc in regards to OS Updates. I dont think that HTC should allow the updates to be Choosen by the carrieer.

Example: HTC Touch Pro some carrieers are updateing to 6.5 and others are not.. and what pisses me off is HTC Touch Pro was designed for 7 then MS decided to push the release date back. so ALL Touch Pros should get the 6.5 update and when 7 comes out they should also get the 7 update aswell..

I'm so tired of this.. yes XDA is a good place to go for the updates but I should not have to rely on xda to give me the update.

I sware my next phone is going to be the apple iPhone.
[General Topics] Rudegar:
radio stacks as far as I see it is not something htc are making a range of

they make one for each device and then make newer versions to tweek or fix issues with the first ones

the newest should in general be applied

about 3g frequencies diff between usa and the rest of the world is hardware differences not radio stack differences
[General Topics] rambo6:
The radio software is not the problem. It's the hardware. The hardware is deliberately made so that it only works on certain networks. I'm sure that cost and design are not the problem.
[General Topics] galaxys:
HTC needs to get back to devices that are true 3G 'world' phones! They have already lost a lot of the business folks!! Bring on the petition!!!
[General Topics] researchermd:
Agreed

I totally share your frustration. Similarly, due to heavy use I tend to buy a new phone yearly, Starting with Cingular 8150. I have many times purchased the same phone more than once, since no new devices were available when I needed a new phone. I am completely frustrated with being part of the largest consumer market in the world, yet only getting the latest technology more than a year after the rest of this planet. HTC has already lost an opportunity, by failing to fully and effectively advertise its products to Joe public, who was dazzled with the Iphone when it was first released. The fact remains that when we watched these Iphone adds, none of us was ever impressed with these features since they have been available to us for a long time with our HTC phones.

Rambo, I would like to encourage you to make a petition, as few of us are able to articulate this issue as well as you can and I would invite everyone to sign it, as a consumer block numbering in the thousands we can have our voices heard.
[General Topics] netnerd:
petition? just dont buy their garbage!

i havnt bought another htc since the htc tytn, that is like 4 years ago?

my previous phones, Imate 6150, Imate 9500, Eten X800, Sony X1, Acer F900, and now Acer neotouch S200, just preorder Acer Liquid, and soon Sony X10. what does all these phones have in common? they all works on ATT USA 3G! HTC can take their junks and stick it u know where! haha
[General Topics] rambo6:
The only reason to petition HTC is because their hardware is not junk. It's very high quality stuff. They just need to make a few important changes.
[General Topics] netnerd:
dont be a pushy! haha

be a man!

it' like eatting at resturant, you are not allow to eat until everyone is finished eatting! that is just a insult to USA users! i wouldnt be begging them to let you eat at the same time as every1 else. i go elsewhere! haha
[General Topics] gideonMorrison:
Thanks for using the Roman 'U' / sarcasm
[General Topics] ms0529:
3G Radios

yep, fully agree. I buy a new phone per year, due to heavy usage, they are generally ready for the scrap heap. I live in USA, but have operations in EU, and Japan / South Korea and I only want one phone and one number, and push around large amounts of data. I have to have 2100 mghz for voice and data in Japan and Korea, 850/1900 in USA and while in EU, need the 1800/900 and now 2100 for 3G access there. As I said, I only want one device and one number to keep updated and ready.

Big pain that HTC and Nokia have decided not to blend the 3G radios in the same way we have quad band GSM services. The extra frequencies on the radios are minor costs, which I would gladly pay.

ATT also keeps HTC from adding the 3.5 mm audio out jack, due to their exclusive deal with Apple on the Iphone, which is ridiculous. These cheap little dongles are a pain to use and keep up with, since I use my tilt 2 as an MP3 player while flying, I have to keep up with another piece. I strongly prefer one device to have to carry chargers for while traveling, so my phone is my MP3 player, email device, voice device, and mobile gps device. I want ONE DEVICE that works everywhere and not be dependant on AT&T to decide what and when I will get what.

HTC has to be tied to these carriers by some contract or agreement and is likely lacking marketing infastructure to take their phones to market globally and feel some ties to these major carriers. Otherwise it makes no sense to cripple these new devices as they are doing.

My 3 cents worth.

MWS
[General Topics] netnerd:
sony ericsson, and acer have no problems including USA 3g and EU 2100umts on their phone! retarded htc just dont want to! it like watching the new movie New Moon, you not allow to watch it until 6 months later! do u still get excited about New Moon 6 months later while every1 else already watched it? and Samsung is starting to wake up too! their lastest phone Omina II got USA 3g and 2100umts! (900/1900/2100umts)
[General Topics] hdubli:
i second that..asus p835 also have us3g band
[General Topics] Razorfold:
HTC exists to sell phones and make money.

If they wanted to sell phones that aren't carrier locked, it would have to be at full retail price ($500-600) and as a result MUCH less people would buy it. Plus HTC would have to open their own stores and such, or sell it only online.

The other option is to sell it through a carrier, but when you do that you're at the carriers mercy. And american carriers are scumbags when it comes to that.

For example, when the rest of the world uses the higher frequency that allows more users on the same tower and better speeds. America is still stuck with using ancient towers on ****ty frequencies...because carriers like AT&T are too cheap to upgrade it.

At the end of the day what do you think matters more to HTC (as a business), you deciding not to buy another phone from them (which would cost them very little, if anything, as it would be the carrier that sustains the loss) or them losing a multi-million dollar contract.
[General Topics] netnerd:
so is any other cell phones makers. sony, acer, asus, and now samsung (with their latest omini II got USA 3G and 2100umts. you bought ATT iphone, you also get 2100umts, i believe LG Expo with 1G cpu also has usa 3g and 2100umts!

but if you bought a HTC garbage phone, it either 900/2100 or USA 3G only, no 2100umts !

update: maybe "garbage" is not the correct word, it' OLD JUNKS! but the time it get to usa, phone is already 6months old! would you want to see New moon in 6 months while every1 is watching it now? would you rather eat after every1 is finished eatting? you just eatting the left-over!
[General Topics] Razorfold:
What don't you understand about it not having anything to do with HTC?

HTC signs contracts with t-mobile, AT&T, verizon, sprint etc, which allows them to rebrand the phone and sell it ON THEIR SCHEDULE with the features/radios THEY WANT. As almost everyone in America is locked onto 2 year contracts, most will be unwilling to buy to a new phone at full retail price until their contract is over. Hence carriers will wait to stock up on new phones till a time when the majority of their subscribers will be nearing their time to upgrade.

This CAN affect their other phones as well, just depends on whats written on those contracts.

AT&T doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to t-mobile. So they lock out the t-mobile 3G frequencies.

T-mobile doesn't want you buying a phone and switching over to AT&T. So they lock out the AT&T frequencies.

Verizon/Sprint, don't want you buying a global phone and switching to T-mobile/AT&T, so they lock out both those bands.

If carriers aren't giving a certain phone the 2100 frequency, it's probably because they sell a similar more expensive phone that is "global ready" and want you to buy that instead if you travel. (Like for example, the ATT touch diamond doesn't have the 2100 band. The ATT Touch Pro 2 DOES)

Sony Ericcson, and Acer don't sell their phones in America through a carrier so naturally they don't have to lock out the radios and can do whatever the hell they want.

What is so hard to get about this?

Yes HTC can make a new contract, but I highly doubt carriers will sign it.

And btw I wouldn't want to see new moon, because it's gotta be the worst movie ever and nor am I a 13 year old girl with no common sense.
[General Topics] netnerd:
i dont want a ATT or Tmobile branded htc old junk! i'm talking about HTC unlocked phone that they purposely left out USA 3G on it!
[General Topics] Razorfold:
Did you miss the line in my post that said:

We don't have access to that information so we don't know what could be written in those contracts.

But just maybe, At&T/T-mobile/Sprint/Verizon ask HTC to not include US bands in the phone their sell worldwide. If people buy those unlocked phones, they can use it on any carrier they wish to in America. And no carrier here will like that as they won't make as much money of you.

And HTC isn't really the first company to do it either, Nokia is doing it now too with the n900.
[General Topics] netnerd:
i never care about nokia, they even dumber! where is the nokia with windows mobile or android? haha
[General Topics] Razorfold:
They have Maemo, which is actually looking to be dam dam good
[General Topics] coolVariable:
I have high hopes for all the newcomers to the phone market.

Acer, Dell, ... they are doing it right.

Quad-band GSM, Tri-band UMTS, ...

I really hope HTC goes down.
[General Topics] rambo6:
I cannot believe the stupidity of the masses. Of course HTC exists to make money. The have had extraordinary growth for years. They also made great leaps with their previous phones which had 850/1900/2100 radios.

What consumers don't understand is that they are getting ripped off by their carriers. You think you're getting a deal by getting a $500 phone for $200 bucks on contract, but you are really not. That $200 or $300 subsidy is more than made up by the higher prices you pay over a 2 year period. The worst part is that with the limited radios, your stuck on the same network with a phone that you've paid a lot for. Whether you like it or not, you've paid the full price for the phone and more over the 2 year period.

The phone manufacturers are conspiring with the carriers to keep things this way. We'd all be using 4G by now if we had a truly competitive marketplace.

If consumers had half a brain, they'd demand more. Evidently they don't. I was hoping that this thread would get enough people excited to petition HTC for more 3G radios per phone. I'd love to be able to choose between AT&T and T-Mobile at will.

As far as HTC goes. They make fantastic hardware. Let's get them to make it better.
[General Topics] coolVariable:
Let me correct something: HTC is one of those scumbag companies that puts less and less frequencies into their phones.

ALL HTC phones used to have tri-band 3G ... now they only have dualband (and I would not be surprised if they pair it down even further).
[General Topics] donnaw:
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The phone manufacturers are conspiring with the carriers to keep things this way. We'd all be using 4G by now if we had a truly competitive marketplace.

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I actually agree with you in that I do believe the US carriers have "convinced" HTC to not include 3G frequencies on unlocked versions of their phones for us US customers. And it does make me very angry. But I highly doubt that HTC would listen to a few users. This is all big business and the few of us who do care do not have a big enough carrot to get them to change their ways.

Unfortunately most people in the US buy their phone only via carrier subsidies - mostly because they don't really know better. Remember, prior to the Iphone most people didn't even have smartphones let lone PDA phones. Hopefully this will change in the future and we will go towards a more European way of doing things. But it may take Congress to get into the fight to force the carriers to open things up. Or at least a more informed public (like that's ever going to happen!)

Until then I suppose I will continue to buy unlocked phones from overseas and probably do without 3G. I absolutely refuse to bow to carrier lockins. I'm holding out hope for the Canadians to get a phone I want with the 850 spectrum and will get it from them.

sigh......................
[General Topics] netnerd:
just boycott HTC and dont buy their garbage!

there are alternative!

if you want big screen, get Acer Neotouch with 3.7" WVGA and 1G cpu!

if you want android, get Acer Liquid with 3.5 WVGA and 768mzh cpu!

if customers dont buy HTC craps, carriers will have too many excess supplies, so next phone they wont be ordering so many phones!
[General Topics] coolVariable:
Totally agree.

But even those phones are not sold in the US with US 3G frequencies!

It's also the scumbag/dumb stores!
[General Topics] netnerd:
and you need to stop saying Acer Liquid or Acer Neotouch S200 or other unlock phones wont work on ATT 3G! look at the phone, if it has 1900umts, it will works on ATT 3G (if ATT uses 1900umts in your area!).

if i recall, some1 said Los Angelos uses 850 **AND* 1900 umts!
[General Topics] rambo6:
Motorola on the Right Track

I just saw this over at Engadget Mobile. Motorola is evidently working on a module which supports AT&T and T-Mobile 3G. Here is the link:

http://mobile.engadget.com/2009/12/...odule-with-support-for-atandt-and-t-mobile-u/

Motorola rode the RAZOR wave too long and just about lost everything. Now they are back with a vengeance with the DROID. It's really a nice piece of hardware.

I'd love to see it or one of their up and coming 5" diagonal tablets with AT&T and T-Mobile support. Throw in 2100 for Europe also and you've got a phone.

I would buy a Droid right now for $550 if I could get even the 850/1900/2100 bands.

BTW, I wouldn't buy a phone that had the 1900 band without the 850 band. AT&T has made an effort to move most of its 3G to 850 so you might not have good 3G coverage with the 1900 band alone.
[General Topics] coolVariable:
A Milestone for $550 with US 3G would be nice.

Totally agree on the 850/1900MHz thing.

at&t is totally shifting its 3G to 850 ... so even if you have 3G on 1900 (the few places that do still), that is probably going to end before the end of 2010.

Buying/selling non 850/1900 3G phones in/for the US is just dumb.
[General Topics] rambo6:
NexusOne Google Phone with multiple 3G frequencies

Take a look at this post on Engadget Mobile.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/12/14/htc-nexus-one-blessed-by-the-fcc-with-t-mobile-and-att-huspa/

It looks like there's a remote possibility that we could have an HTC made Google phone with AT&T and TMO capability.

I hope this is for real.
[General Topics] coolVariable:
T-Mob only => FAILphone
[General Topics] HTC Touch Freak:
Oh my, look, its you again. T-Mobile is better than AT&T and it works on AT&T edge.

And look an Unlocked NAM 3G phone. How about that? Just be patient. By next year there will be enough demand for a Quad or Penta-Band 3G phone. If you can't tell T-mobile US is starting to move away from the US model of phone carriers and switching over to the overseas way of doing buisness.
[General Topics] coolVariable:
Hey. Look!!!! It's someone that has his head up his backside.

Or are you just a little slow? A tiny little bit slow in the head?

T-mobile is better than at&t?

True:

- that's why t-mobile has no 3G coverage while at&t's is huge in comparison.

- that's why plans from t-mobile are more expensive

- that's why t-mobile's 3g only works with t-mobile (while at&t's 3g uses the same frequencies as the majority of carriers in the Americas)

- that's why t-mobile customers find EDGE great!

A phone that only really works with one carrier ... what do you call it?

Locked?

Why don't you buy a Euro phone and use it with your fantastic EDGE network (I believe that is what t-mobile USA calls it's 3G speed)
[General Topics] donnaw:
I had T-mo for 6 years and had no problems. Then when they rolled out their 3G in Austin I suddenly started dropping calls right and left. And many times could not even get a signal sitting right in my own home (which they showed to have the best signal strength). So we had to port to ATT just to get service.

For those of us on ATT we would really like to have the options of a good phone with 3G access - read this - NOT JUST 2G. Not everyone wants an Iphone and there aren't any good 3G phone with ATT 3G frequencies.

As for moving to the "overseas way of doing business" What does that mean?? If you are talking about selling unlocked phones then yes. But they have nothing to lose with smart phones since their phones will not work on another network's 3G so why not. Sell unsubsidized phones that are pretty much locked anyway.

T-mo may be great for you but it is not an option for everyone. I find that I really need to make/receive calls from my house.
[General Topics] HTC Touch Freak:
Stick to your sorry iPhone and get off these boards. Quit complaining so much and just buy an AT&T phone when they get a good one.

Again. I'm right your wrong. That's why you abandonde your old thread.
[General Topics] coolVariable:
Hahaha. You TMobblers are really funny.

How about you shut that trap which you call a mouth?

You jealous of at&t having the iphone?

Is that why you want to turn this argument into a discussion about the iphone or because your arguments suck and nobody agrees with you?

Some well meant advice:

switch to at&t. you are obviously brainwashed.

... or you are just a great comedian. my favorites:

Hahahaha. Have you seen a map of your coverage area?

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

If you pay me $1mm now, I will give you unlimited calling/internet for 10 year.

Unlimited is not always better (but you are too dumb to realize that).

I hate to be the one to tell you but ... the point of this thread was that we want phones with more 3g frequencies: your t-mob devices work on t-mob US and in Eurasia. at&t 3g phones work ... well I'll be darned ... they work almost EVERYWHERE! Including North & South America, Australia, Africa, ...

Must be all my at&t shares - otherwise, why did they unlock my phone, so that I can use local SIMs in Asia and Europe?

Strange. Neither I, nor the other people in this or the other threads, have any problems with at&t 3G speeds. For general surfing I would rate it slightly slower than a typical US cable modem/DSL internet connection. No gaming and no P2P downloads ... but really nice and fast high speed internet for general surfing/videos/etc.

And you know the best part? 850MHz is a better frequency than 1700/2100.

So not only does at&t have the larger coverage area ... thanks to the move of 3G on 850 it will also have better connectivity and faster throughput.

CASE CLOSED!

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Somebody that thinks EDGE is fast?

Sorry - can't take you seriously

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
[Dash 3G, Snap General] oo03sjw:
Hi is there a way to have an sms notification bubble pop up enabled?

I am espicially interested in having it pop up over the top of CoPilot8, at the moment I get the voice saying I have a message, but would like to have a view of who from and what it was even if it was just a glimpse.

Is this possible?

Many thanks.
[Dash 3G, Snap General] ookba:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=1975134
[Dash 3G, Snap General] oo03sjw:
Exactly what I wanted, many thanks as always!
[Touch HD General] mr london:
Evening all, just got a voicemail message, went to listen to it but it asked me for a "voicemail number"!?????? never had this before,i got the number but how do you save it to the number 1 on the keypad???

Paul.
[Touch HD General] -PiLoT-:
yeah this happened with me the other day

i rang the orange customer services and asked what it was about. apparently the best thing to do is to hang up and redial the number through the keypad as opposed to the alert

i didn't eventually find out the the reason they did this cause the woman on the phone was developmentally challenged

if in doubt go to the dialer and hold 1 it should be under this already or alternativly dial 07973100123
[Touch HD General] mr london:
Thanks Mate, but does anyone know how to save the number to the number

"1" on the keypad????? thanks.

P.
[Touch HD General] mr london:
Its ok i done it! dunno how but i did it!??? cheers pilot!

P.
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Actually sometimes even after holding down 1 it asks for this number, but you don't need to type all of 07973100123, you just need 123 if using a Orange mobile
[Touch HD General] mr london:
Thanks Mr Spartan.......:)

Paul.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mobildoktor:
Diamond is a coupled wanted, and now will not turn on, not responding to anything!

I can do something about it?

I ask you to help!

Thank you!