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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Telek:
Although testing for 20 hours will produce a higher number it is really academic to what we are trying to prove. Although what he is saying may be true it doesn't change the fact that:

It is useless and misleading to market a 1800mAh battery that is designed specifically to work in a device that can't use more than 1400mAh of that power.

That's like saying that I will give you an 50mbit internet connection, but you can only use 175GB. Oh wait, they do that too... Maybe it'd be more appropriate to compare it to saying "Extended gas tank for your Honda Civic! 18 gallon tank instead of a 12 gallon!" but the Civic itself can only use up to 10 gallons of the tank by nature of it's design. You can't blame the Civic, but you can blame the tank for falsely leading you to believe you'll get longer between fillups.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Well said.

Compounded with higher capacity figures than the standard OEM, another angle to look at it is their use of the word extended. Under identical testing conditions, the same everything, the fresh $34 Mugen 1800mAh got 1414mAh, which is respectable relative to the no names and counterfeits, and the test I just ran of a new OEM 1500mAh which cost $15 also got 1414mAh.

So if I dropped the current to any figure these engineers ask me to and dropped the voltage cutoff to irrelevant levels (which I've heard can damage a battery) and ran such a test for both batteries, who of you thinks that the Mugen will suddenly tower over the OEM in these conditions instead of being virtually identical, and do so enough to warrant language such as extended? From where I'm sitting, the only thing that they've extended is false hope.

The information we're producing here is what you and I would like to have were we interested in buying another battery for our phones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] jcr916:
Mugen Battery

So still waiting on the damn engineers and now they want to talk to you Doug, do you want me to give them an email address for you (you'd have to PM me your address)?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] nicc51591:
hey guys, i'm planning on buying a battery for my tilt 2 (because, I don't know if you all have the same problem, but I charge my phone all night, but I still end up having to charge it in the middle of the day) and i'm wondering if anyone can send me a link of a battery that will deliver?

i've been watching this thread and these tests are very helpful, but i still don't know which batteries you are testing, because now some OEMs are fake?

I know there are some supposedly OEMs that are only $15 (like the one you had posted from ebay, but it's gone now)

but i don't know if those are actually OEM

Sorry that I still have to ask, even after all these tests
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
The two batteries I tested that do not require a larger back cover with the best performance include the standard issue 1500mAh OEM and the Mugen 1800mAh. I have one more test to run on the OEM but the average of the first two of three tests from 4.14V to 3.5V on a 250mA current are even with the Mugen at 1414mAh. I'm charging the OEM for its final test but every test of every battery I've tested has not been far off from any of the other tests. I did come across fakes but this is where I got the $15 1500mAh OEM that turned out to be legit, and as of now there are more for sale: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230439043798&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

If you'd prefer to spend more money, you can get the Mugen for $34 here:

http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...380-1800mah-extended-replacement-battery.html

The two might perform a little differently at different currents but 250mA is the sweet spot we settled with. Note that on the table I've got a column for dollars per unit of power in case you don't mind carrying a spare and want to do this as cheaply as possible.

If you want a higher capacity battery than that and you have an AT&T Tilt 2, I would advise getting the HTC 2150mAh, linked in the second post, given that the other OEMs have proven consistently to live up (just about) to their rating -- but I haven't tested it yet, nor do I know for a fact that the seller is legit, though you could drop another ten bucks on top of the $50 to get it straight from AT&T. It's not cheap unfortunately but if this is irritating you this much that you've been watching this thread, maybe it's worth it. If you have a non-AT&T TP2, here it is without the door for $35: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...l+Phones+Accessories-_-HTC+America-_-75999522

I tested a Touch Pro2 no name battery rated at 3600mAh and, though I have two more rounds to go before I post the final number, the first was 2474mAh. Also the door was broken and it wouldn't have fit anyway as it's for non-AT&T TP2s.

However just so you don't end up in this same situation again you may want to run that software that's in the first post to test the battery yourself and to see if your phone is for whatever reason is eating up more power than it should -- like stuff running in the background that you don't want or need, maybe you could use software like Lumos to manage your backlight brightness more effectively. WMLongLife is excellent (search for these). There are battery saving threads out there with good tips to buy yourself more time but these phones were clearly not designed for mileage. Everything but.

Hope that was helpful...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] nicc51591:
yes that was very helpful dougie thank you very much

i'll probably get the one that you just posted (1500mah) from ebay

i dont think anything would be runnig in the background

i always use the cleanram app to give it some breathing room

but im not sure if that stops everything

and i'm not exactly a fan of getting backfat on my tilt2 i think its ugly looking lol

but still thanks man that helps im bouta buy it now

and ill look into those apps
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Cool bro, let me know how it turns out. I'd like to learn of a second instance of him coming through. Think he's from Brooklyn.

As a few of you may have noticed I've started another site, batteryboss.org, originally because I couldn't post html table data into the results post on this thread so with my server I could hotlink screenshots of the table I'd take manually each time I updated it. But I think I might let it ride a bit and turn it into its own site now that this whole thing is beginning to expand to the point that we've got some interest generated both in our world and a little on the other side, the dealers and manufacturers. If any of you have any thoughts on what to do with it, do tell please. Or maybe I should just keep it crude and simple the way it is.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
OEM 2150

Hey dougie,

My name's Wade and I live in Little Rock, AR. I'm on my 4th HTC device (Rhodium/Tilt 2) and I've had it for a couple weeks now. I had a 2800 mAH battery on my Kaiser that required popping the back cover off, removing and reinserting the battery, and then turning the phone back on to get the extra juice after ~1500 mAH. I read somewhere on here that this is still an issue, but seems to be resolved with a mere soft reset as opposed to taking the back cover off and waiting for the phone to boot again. I don't mind the longer method, but it breaks the plastic tabs that affix the battery door to the device, so I had been using electrical tape to hold the back of my Kaiser on. I'd like to avoid doing that with my pretty Rhodium.

So, I'm about to order the HTC OEM 2,150 mAH battery with door for $60 from AT&T, and I'd like to ship it to you for it to be tested. If it's not at least ~90% of claimed capacity, I'll send it back to AT&T. I don't mind coughing up the additional $10 to AT&T because their customer service has bent over backwards to assist me in the 7 years I've been on their network, so if the battery is bunk they'll refund my money.

So, if you'd like to test the 2150 please PM me your shipping information and such. I'll order it as soon as I get that info. Thanks for doing all this, man.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] tobbbie:
Battery capacity measurement can be done by anyone - and no special devices required. It still delivers comparable data. Basically the device itself is load for the battery and taking the data itself. See here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5686305#post5686305

If you know the drain (from measuring or the driver) you can also calculate the capacity. Tools for this are listed in the thread as well.

It costs you one night, why not spend it and send the battery later?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] emailpjc:
TRANSLATED WITH GOOGLE

I installed version 1.1 of acbPowerMeter which is available on the web acbpocketsoft. Is it possible to perform the tests with this version or is best done with the older version of the first page and I'll have to uninstall the version I have now?

Thanks

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Tengo instalada la versión 1.1 de acbPowerMeter que está disponible en la web de acbpocketsoft. ¿se pueden realizar la pruebas con esta versión o es mejor hacerlas con la versión mas antigua de la primera página y tendré que desinstalar la versión que tengo actualmente?

Gracias
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] tobbbie:
I don't want to hijack this thread - if you want to discuss on the topic of measuring the battery capacity yourself, please ask the same in the referenced thread at: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5686305#post5686305 I will reply to you there.

The method and tooling that d0ugie uses can deliver more sophisticated data on battery measurement as it can vary the load in a wider scale than the device itself can do. It also delivers real current and voltage data which the diy method cannot do well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Eh, I come from a long line of physicists and such, and Dougie seems to be on the ball here, as does Telek. I can tell you from personal experience that at least HTC devices suck at measuring their remaining current when using a hi-cap battery. The "battery trick (pop off door, remove battery, re-insert, replace door, power on)" breaks the plastic tabs off that affix the battery door to the device, thus requiring awesome electrical tape, namely Super 33+ or some kind of 3M awesomeness I got for free from the local power company one day when I was drunk and shootin' the breeze with them while they were replacing my power pole/restringing the line. Trees are heavy, heavier still when covered in ice...

Holy crap I hope I don't have to do the battery trick with the 2150. I don't think I should, seeing as how it is OEM it should talk to the Rhodium properly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] bczrx:
Love the work you are doing.

I wish I'd read this before ordering the Seido 1750 battery for my wife's phone. At least it isn't significantly worse than the OEM one.

I was about to order the HTC 2150 battery, but was debating that and the Seido 3500 battery. I'll now wait for test results of the 2150 that is being mailed to you.

I am making assumptions about the 3500 and 1750 non-oem, no-name batteries that you tested and which brand they correlate to.

Could you drop me a pm to clarify if either of those batteries started with an 's' in the name on them? Or answer here. thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Thanks man, I feel the same way.

The batteries labeled in their description as no names are batteries I grabbed on ebay that had no branding on them of any kind (including a 1500 and a 3600-rated) whereas the Seidio and Mugen are, like the no names, third party batteries (non-OEM), however they do have brand names (Seidio, Andida and Mugen), companies that have been establishing themselves a reputation of their own but have no apparent affiliation with HTC other than that their batteries are intended for these and other devices. You may have noticed but the Seidio was used a few months prior to my testing it.

Such batteries, though I've only tested three (and only one of them was a fresh battery), appear to be better than the no names but not yet better than the standard OEM, but I'm not done looking into that. Mugen is not at peace with the test results of their 1800mAh-rated battery and are mailing me another just in case the one I tested was somehow defective. We'll see.

The fake OEM batteries are essentially no names with a phony HTC label slapped onto them and perform either about as good as no names (1200 range) or in one case much worse.

My man Wade has been nice enough to offer to send me a fresh HTC 2150mAh which I look forward to testing soon. It's not so cheap but based on the tests of the other OEMs there's a decent chance it may break 2050 so stay tuned.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] wrecklesswun:
I have the htc 2150 battery, and it is worth the upgrade...i am going to try out to 3000 battery from mugen, any thoughts?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Telek:
Do you already have the OEM 2150? How do you find it's performance?

I would hold off on getting the Mugen 3000 one until we've had a chance to do some tests as the other Mugen one did not perform very well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] schlenkflask:
I need help about my rhodium. I want to buy the oem battery linked by d0ugie (thanks for all your efforts dude) but the vendor says: "will work with the Dash 3G NOT S620. will work with Tilt2 not Tilt1"; i bought my htc pro2 in europe (italian version). This battery will be compatible?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Telek:
Generally batteries are very specific to the phone - what model number is the battery that you're looking at buying and from where are you going to buy it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Nexus One expansion launched.

Hey now. Just finished round one of the Nexus One's OEM which got the high score of 97%. Expanded the project to the N1 accessories forum in this thread which, though partly copypasta, is equally badass as this one; however I'm a little short on third party batteries so I'm hoping I can get some involvement from people who want to help the project.

So for those of you who have a Nexus One already, great, come on over and if you're still thinking of getting one, great, got you covered when you're ready; and for those of you who are fine and dandy the way you are with your TP2, I ain't abandoning you. Keep 'em coming please.

Doug
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Telek:
A little OT but... Dunno about everyone else, but with the new restrictions MS is putting on WinMo7 I'll likely be jumping ship to Android :( No Multitasking, closing down the app base, and now no copy/paste option anymore? WTF?

Back On topic - great work Dougie!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] schlenkflask:
Model number is RHOD160 (the same of my oem battery!), i'll buy it from: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230439043798&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT.

I didn't think to look at the model number, thank you! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
Thanks bro, real thanks. I hope everyhone here is grateful

I whish i had seen this post earlier, before buying the ANDIDA 2000 MAH Battery !

so there isnt any OEM size battery which gives you MORE than 1500 ( real ) mah ??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Telek:
Yes there is an OEM 2150mAh battery (which requires the extended battery door).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] wpbear:
he said oem

SIZE
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
Thanks for the test of Nexus One, Seidio, new.

Great capacity, too bad it is very expensive.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Yeah. The HTC 2150 OEM is more than 1500 mAH, but I don't know by how much. It does last sufficiently longer than the OEM 1500 that I really like it and so have delayed shipping it to Doug. I should be able to ship it out on Monday. Also, buy the $40 one from another retailer and avoid AT&T; they charge $60 + tax and shipping, and it doesn't come with the door. Luckily I called and asked before I bought it, and so when it came without the door I went mildly ballistic on customer service and so the battery, door from another etailer, completely free plus made my TP2 substantially less than the $125 insurance replacement price :-). So, It'd be about 60 bucks to buy the OEM 2150 from somewhere besides ATT and get the door for 15-20 elsewhere. Also, the door I got does have the PTT button/fits perfectly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Hey I can understand the temptation to use the battery; after all, all signs point to it being a great battery (not to mention one you dropped a lot of coin on), but the more you use it, the more miles you put on it, the more you age it, possibly the worse it will test consequently and most importantly the less I am able to identify it on the data as being a new OEM battery. I need this one to help set and affirm the bar of HTC's standards in not exaggerating. If it fails to do that, I can't say with certainty if it fell short as a result of being used unlike the other OEMs or as a result of this particular battery being rated too high were it to test below 94% of its claimed capacity, or 2000mAh out of 2150.

In terms of running the thing for this project that battery is a VIP priority, plenty of people want to know what that thing can do and if HTC's method of rating their batteries remains consistent from the more modest ones (the Pure's 1100) to the expensive ones (yours).

Right now at least it sounds like you've used it enough to call the thing deep conditioned -- which is fine, that's still new in terms of the testing, but please resist using it further and mail it to me to test. As I said I'll fedex it back with a quickness. To hold you over, if you'd like, I'm willing to mail you a spare.

Hook us up buddy, please. If you don't want to part with it, that's okay, just let me know and I'll try to find it from somebody else. If this is a major sacrifice to you, don't sweat it, I understand. I just need to know soon.

You got my address, right?

Doug
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
2150

Yeah, I should be able to drop it off at the 24 hour Fedex/Kinkos tonight, although probably after the 1800 CDT pickup. If you could plz email me your address again I'd appreciate it, as I get a ****load of email and the TP2's email search isn't as robust as Gmail's, so I don't want to dig through it at the FedEx store trying to find your address.

About the condition of the battery; a while back I called Lenmar repeatedly until they had an engineer call me back. I asked him about 45 minutes worth of questions as he wrote them down, and then he spent about an hour and a half explaining unto me everything I could ever want to know about Li-Ions and Li-Po's. When I got the battery, I plugged it up overnight, discharged to 3.5V, charged overnight, discharged to 3.5, charged overnight, and have been using it/charging to full,uninterrupted when it gets to 40-50%, slipped a bit last night and it dipped to 37%. It hasn't been subjected to hot or cold temperatures, as we've had killer weather here in Arkansas lately. When I ship it to you I'll try to get it as close to 50% as I can get it, as that's what these bastards like to be stored at.

So yeah, I bet FedEx Ground will take 'til Friday or Monday to get to NYC from Little Rock.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Shipped via UPS, emailing you the tracking number momentarily.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
Is this battery Oem size, like orginal 1500 mah or does it need a bigger cover ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
It requires a new battery door. The one I got for my Tilt 2 is quite nice. It fits perfectly, and it has the two volume buttons and the PTT button. The paint is impeccable, and the mute button on the back is there, albeit smaller but it does still light up.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Dougie should have gotten the 2150 yesterday, so hopefully results will be up today or tomorrow and I'll have my battery back by the weekend. Going hiking, no power outlets out there...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Telek:
That's why I got me one of these :) Either that or one of these
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
I pack light, and I don't like having to waterproof anything past my rifle, phone, and ammunition.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Crap. UPS is saying I didn't write the Doug's apartment number correctly, so I'm about to email him and ask him to call UPS with the tracking number and correct that crap.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Hook me up with the tracking number (and switch the email). Digging through my email, not finding it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
Sent it from two different email addresses. It should be chillin' in yer inbox, mhm.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
woow.. ..100%?

IM going to order it right now
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
I know, right? I had a feeling this would do well like the other OEMs but 100% on the nose, ... nice.

The Amazon link on the table is for just the battery without an extended door and the other link which I should probably change is to some eBay dealer. If you've got a Tilt 2 and not the regular TP2, give me a minute to see if I can find a better price or a dealer that's slightly less ebay-ish.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Okay refresh the batteryboss page, I updated the link so that TP2 points to just the battery from Amazon and the AT&T link points to the AT&T extended battery cover, so get both from them in one order rather than someone on ebay. For those of you with regular Touch Pro2s, you probably don't want that back cover as AT&T has a slightly different configuration so look around and let me know if you find a legit-looking door if I don't find one first.

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Extended-Li-Ion-Battery-RHOD170/dp/B002Y24MJ2

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Extended-Battery-Cover-74H01529-01M/dp/B002Y1Z2EC/ref=pd_sim_cps_1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
Your battery's on its way, emailed you the tracking info. Thanks again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] bczrx:
Well, I hope I am in luck. Thanks for the info. I've ordered the OEM/HTC 2150mAh battery/door for my Sprint TP2. It was a total of $55.43, delivered, from DiscountCell.com That is for the 'supersaver' shipping [like 99cents] and no tax.

As long as I get the right parts I'm happy.

Thanks again for the research!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
You got it my man.

Using what you just reported as an example, I like to see that this site/project isn't necessarily hurting the contribution of sales of batteries for two HTC devices to the country's (or world's) GDP, rather that it's redirecting consumer money to the deserving recipients, keeping that contribution about the same, though ramping up the world's general utility factor.

And speaking of HTC devices, does anyone know if the HTC Desire takes the same batteries as the N1?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
I have no idea what the other HTC devices use for batteries. I'm only familar with Wizard, Hermes, Kaiser, and Rhodium. Anyway, bumping the thread.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
The link to TP2 No name #2, large is broken

Can you please check it ?

edit: I found a cheaper one, but dont know if i can trust the site

http://www.truesupplier.com/3600mah...tc-touch-pro2-t7373-w-battery-c-pr-21522.html

Anyone experience with them ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
slashdot

Hey I'm trying to get slashdotted. Submitted a story, it's pending, and if you could fire up this link and give it a + bump, or comment on it, that would be pretty helpful.. thanks.

http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=11574546
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeathmonkeyGTX:
I'll bump this from every MAC and IP available to me. Slashdot is win.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
Can you please post some more pictures of the phone with the 2150 mah battery, so i can see how thick it becomes?

Can somebody also answer my question above ( post # 173 )

Thanks