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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
Very interesting...have you actually noticed any unusual warmth from the unit when using or charging it? My suspicion has always been that the mysterious newton rings are often caused by internal thermal conditions rather than external ones.

I haven't experienced one myself (knock on wood...), but I do notice that under certain circmstances the phone is noticibly warmer (like when charging while also running wifi or BT), and I'm thinking this could be the kind of thing that will lead to a visible newton ring, over time, even just a few weeks. The temp won't be enough to cause alarm, but if/when it happens enough, repeatedly, I imagine there could very well be a connection.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Cingularly Twisted:
My take on it.

I work for a company that makes ruggedized, WinMo handhelds, so I have access to resources like engineers with 20+ years of experience.

My theory is that it is a materials/ manufacturing defect. Something is causing delamination of the digitizer overlay from the glass LCD. Could be heat, as the phone does warm up during charging and calls.

I have heard of similar issues with displays being shipped by air carrier in cargo holds being damaged while being shipped from Asia.

What I find most odd is that it is almost a perfect rectangle, this is not an "organic" failure. I would love to see what sits right under the display that is the same size as the effected area.

The other extremely frustrating part of this is the AT&T considers "ANY" screen defect to be user neglect, sight unseen and only after several escalations did I get any results. Now I am afraid they are going to get the old phone and then try to charge me for it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sirphunkee:
You can take a look at the disassembly guide I attached, but even after looking at every shot of the guts it still looks like the only single component that comes close to matching in position and dimensions is the battery itself.

I just noticed for the first time that the phone they used for the teardown actually has a newton ring of its own...you can see it clearly in the first pic :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] glennordway:
My TMO TP2 got this a couple of weeks ago, and on Monday my touchscreen quit responding all of a sudden. I noticed that as i pressed on the screen at certain spots they started to stick to the LCD and making my screen unresponsive. :mad:

And for 2 days i had to use my phone without the touchscreen and resorted to Rhodium Keyboard Controller to assign keys to correspond to the soft keys on the screen. Text and email are impossible without the TS on the TP2 luckily I showed this to a friend of mine and together we figured out how to make it respond by moving my fingers on the screen to release the LCD from the screen.

So for the last few days, i have been on the phone with T-Mobile and some repair centers trying to find out the best route to take and I didn't realize that others were having the same problem. I almost filed an insurance claim to replace my TP2. Thankfully i may be able to save the $130 and use the manufacture warranty to get a replacement.

Has anyone had any luck using warranty to get yours replaced outside of your initial 30 day return period? This is my 2nd TP2 as the first one went bad also.

Thanks in advance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Cingularly Twisted:
After talking to a first level rep and a retention specialist, who both refused to do a warranty replacement, the manager I escalated to asked me right off the bat if it heated up when talking. I of course said yes it does, and he sent a replacement.

Good luck, YMMV
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] f.cervera:
My HD BLACKSTONE developed Newton Rings several months ago, but the screen only stopped responding since 4 weeks.

I sent It to repair service in Spain, not into HTC but into Movistar, the network provider.

They changed the screen and the digitizer under warranty, and sent It back in 15 days.

The only thing they have put on the delivery note is that this device (mine) has no longuer any warranty, out the problems relating the new screen, because they have detected the original sofware was modified (I flashed my HD hundred times...)

This is my experience.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RangerX:
So, it's been almost 6 months since my OP. I still have the same phone. The weekend of the original post, the touchscreen did actually stop working, and I noticed what looked like a hole in the layer above the screen. I took it into T-Mobile and went through customer service, and in the middle of being on the phone, the touch screen started working again. Not coincidentally, the hole / tear was also gone.

I have had this happen once more, and was actually able to kind of massage it out and get the screen working again. So I now am certain to take the phone out of my pocket before doing any heavy lifting, since both times it has happened I was moving boxes around.

I didn't bother to have it replaced, as current suspicions point to the fact that it would simply develop on the new phone too. I have definitely used it a couple times where it got very very warm, as in, warm enough that I actually pull off the back cover to help circulation. This is mostly with playing a high-resources game and charging at the same time.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] capnkalvin:
my own Newton ring...................................);

My Tilt 2 has developed the same type of distortion on the right side of the screen. The ring is oblong and moves with pressure on the screen. It is most definitely more obvious under florescent lights. ATT maintains that I have damaged the screen by "pressing or tapping too hard". Like the rest of y'all, I have taken very good care of my device. It is always in it's case and always has a screen protector. They emphatically refuse to warranty the phone. The fee for factory repair was quoted at $377.00. The business care specialist states that there are NO KNOWN ISSUES with this device. Anyone have any ideas.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] capnkalvin:
Newton Ring Fixed..................

Returned my Tilt 2 to HTC (AT&T is a substandard company with substandard customer service and should be broken up like Ma Bell was; As soon as my contract is up I WILL switch to Verizon for my service.) HTC replaced the touch screen at no charge other than the triage fee. Happy Days! AT&T pointed their fingers in my eye and said "physical damage" which was ludicrous, as the ring occurred overnight while my T2 was charging. Did I say AT&T service is really, really poor? Thank you HTC America.
[Imagio General] rolandroland:
The text icon on the touchflo bar is stuck with a 1 in it. No, there isn't a new message. :D A soft reset doesn't fix it. Anyone run across this before?
[Imagio General] arl16:
Just ran across this problem myself this weekend, and it was making me crazy! I found the solution over at ppcgeeks. Just need to run .exe file located here: http://journal.drfaulken.com/fixunre...ation-big-fix/ - and then soft reset. Worked like a charm. They said it may reset the Verizon sent SMS notification, so I just reran that cab as well.

Hope that helps...
[Imagio General] rolandroland:
That link didn't work but it helped me find what I was looking for, thanks!

I did run the fixunreadcount and it said it fixed it from 1 to 0 and did a soft reset but it still shows with a 1, I also checked the reg keys for message count and they all do in fact say 0. So then after checking the reg keys usinf CERegEditor from my PC it fixed itself even thoguh I didn't change a value, it was already at 0. Bizarre. :confused: But at least it is working now. :D

Anyone else run into this with their Imagio check:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=18132
[Imagio General] iamfroda:
I ran into this as well yesterday, strange our Imagios all did it at once. I did all sorts of stuff and finally the fixunreadcount and a soft reset. Still didn't work, but I read somewhere about ending the Inbox running program for it to actually "look" again at the database. MIne just solved itself about 5 minutes after fixunread and a soft reset
[Imagio General] davidstre:
this happened to me. i found out that through some fluke a message sent notification, the one that appears when you re-send a text, was stuck in my inbox but i could get to it.
[G1 Apps and Games] atsic:
There is an external app that can fix or at least to give an opportunity to have a Sync with google calendar?
[G1 Apps and Games] sputnik99:
yes, the app is called "search your calendars, delete duplicate events and have fun with your calendar that syncs fluently on cm, now"
[G1 Apps and Games] NguyenHuu:
try unchecking the "lock home in memory" in the spare parts app. if that doesnt work, wipe and reflashing.
[G1 Apps and Games] atsic:
tryed to uncheck that in the spare parts and unfortunatly doesn't work or it work only partially and i don't know why. I mean i added in the calendar anouther onw that is about the free days in my country and is sync only those days not all the dates that i have in the calender. Other suggestion except of the wipe reflash?
[G1 Apps and Games] sputnik99:
Yes:

"search your calendars, delete duplicate events and have fun with your calendar that syncs fluently on cm, now"

It really helped me, I had the same issue
[G1 Apps and Games] atsic:
Ok eliminated everythign in the calendar. now working thanks for the advices!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] baalpeteor:
It all started slowly... it would drop my phone signal (and say no sim card) when i would slide it out, and now it doesnt read sim card at all (regardless of if I reboot and its closed or slid out). Anyone know what part might have went bad specifically? (the sim reader or a cable?)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
what have you done to fix the problem? This is a very old and covered topic.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] starclassic:
Exact same problem i got right now. Signal got weaker and weaker, then it use to just be the signal gets lost when i slid out keyboard, so i was stuck with onscreen keyboard for a while. And now, just yesterday, my tilt wont read the sim at all. I get the "Missing Sim" message. I rebooted, hard reset, tried the spacer of top of the sim card, lifted contacts in sim holder... no help.

I think ive only dropped the phone once semi-hard in the 1 and a half years ive owned it, and that was a while back.

Not sure if i should replace some parts (sim card holder, ribbon cables, etc. not sure what the problem is yet) or just use the money to get a tilt2. haha.

Good luck with yours. I suspect its the sim card holder on mine.

heres a disassemble guide if youd like to check out your phone yourself:

http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/Replacing the LCD on a Kaiser.pdf
[Touch HD General] carola:
I am willing to upgrade from HD to HD2 and I was wondering if the latter would support WM 7, in your opinion?

Any comment would be appreciated.

Thank you,
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
It might or it might not...

This has been discussed over in the Leo section on many threads; find info here:

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=532
[General Questions and Answers] rahlquist:
I see a couple old (2007-2008) utils to post to you delicious but nothing recent for accessing them?
[HTC Tornado] RealSkier:
I'm still keeping my T-Mobile SDA alive. It's been flashed with the NitroGen WM6 Platinum ROM for over a year but I'm wondering if there's anything better. The one thing I miss in Nitro's ROM from the stock TMO ROM is the hardwired Media Player keys (stop, pause, start).

With any new ROM, I'd absolutely want to keep voice dialing, wifi, Edge, camera, etc. but i don't really care about some of the more obscure things.

Any thoughts?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] God_Lx:
Don't mean to discourage you, but i find kinda funny you posting this on a forum where there's atleast 100 diferent Windows Mobile 6.5 roms for those devices...

Even better, Windows 6.5.1 in all of them...

I'll sign the petition for the kicks, but there's no way i would use the upgrade even if they released it...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Ulyan:
Contrary to you I like official roms instead of all the crap software that the coocked roms have. I like to have the base and choose myself the software I want to put in ...

Good initiative ... :rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] cgdan2004:
Shure, like they care!

I have sign that anyway.

Good luck!:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] sd00:
Just do it!

Come on people, it may well turn out to be a waste of time but hey, it only takes a minute or two - you'd be crazy not to!

Spread the word!

Steve.

PS

I looked at the petition again (17 mins after signing) and another 14 had signed.

By my reckoning - at that rate - we should hit 10000 in just under 8.5 days.

Worth a shot eh?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] luzok:
For HTC, there is simply no business case for doing this.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] f1nal:
signed!

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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] irusul:
signed thank you
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dickenz:
Hmmm really strange considering a stock ROM would have more in it than a LIGHT/LITE ROM. You'd get more storage and less apps to start with. Not to mention a faster ROM.

Sorry to be the bad guy but unfortunately I doubt your petition will get you anywhere. AFAIK it's all up to the carriers, not Microsoft or HTC.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] alfinip2000:
signed.. keep the spirit mate!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] babak_1274:
Signing

Signed, with hopes....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] greatbal:
signed.

hoping...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] anubis23:
sure ill signed, i wish they'd give us a fully working 6.5 canvas, volume controller, menu enhancement and htc sense /nod
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mindfrost82:
No need to create multiple threads for each device.

Seriously, all 11 of your posts were the exact same thing.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] jigners:
chose Rhodium device and this will create a theme perfectly applicable to the Blackstone. Whats best is you can have freedom to chose your colors.:)

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/theme-generator.mspx

enjoy!:D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] crashDebug:
the link states this is for windows mobile 6.5 only

i see you have a wm6.5 custom rom installed on your HD so the question is rightful: did you actually try it on wm6.1 as well?
[Touch HD General] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch HD General] kmarkw@hotmail.com:
We want Windows Phone 7.O for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

MAKE one PETITION ( :D )
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Think this is a pretty pointless thread as you aren't going to change HTC's mind on this one. Why give a free upgrade when they want us to buy a newer phone instead????

However, I'll continue to let this thread stay open as I find it mildly amusing for the time being, but I will move it to the General Discussion forum
[Touch HD General] Mopral:
HTC -> they say "No" and I do not think it will change

Microsoft -> They will tell you that it is not their problem: see with the manufacturer and/or with your carrier

Carrier -> HD2 will soon replace HD so they will no longer sell the HD
[Touch HD General] lugi93:
Why even care we have cooked roms.
[Touch HD General] telegraph0000:
If the Mighty Fallen Spartan is amused...

then it's aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllright.
[Touch HD General] :
Sorry to say but this is a waste of time, there are already like 10000 of custom 6.5 roms and even native 6.5 kernels for this devices , so asking htc for an OEM 6.5 its pretty pointless if you ask me.
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
Cooked always taste better :D
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
ok, this thread went exactly where I thought it would. Served its purpose and it no longer amuses me.

Thread closed
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] |Jason8|:
You know... I'm running 6.5 on my Fuze right now. Flash a cooked rom. Why would you want a stock rom, anyways? They're so slow and... well... slow.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nGm@ze:
Becuase, i don't want to void my warranty you know some users like me only brought the phone for a few months or they are still under the warranty period:o.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] xevilutionx:
just reflash back to your carrier's official rom before sending in for warranty claims. worked for me twice...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mindfrost82:
Please do not keep posting this in every forum for every device. The general Raphael forum was enough.
[Touch Pro CDMA] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch Pro CDMA] sd00:
Just do it!

Come on people, it may well turn out to be a waste of time but hey, it only take a minute or two - you'd be crazy not to! ;)

Spread the word!

Steve.

PS, shouldn't this be in the Diamond forums too? (TBH i didn't check!) << it is - i just checked!!!!

<EDIT>

I looked at the petition again (17 mins later) and another 14 had signed.

By my reckining - at that rate - we should hit 10000 in just under 8.5 days.

Worth a shot eh?
[Touch Pro CDMA] MOBGangsta184:
What would be the point? Anyone on these forums has flashed a custom rom w/ WM 6.5 if they felt so inclined. Plus carrier builds of 6.5 are extremely outdated any way.
[Touch Pro CDMA] indagroove:
Not that I think it would really happen or anything, but the point would be to get native WM 6.5 VGA WWE OEMs and drivers, and of course a 6.5NK for CDMA diamond..
[Touch Pro CDMA] oppman29:
who ensures HTC actually gets the petition? :confused:
[Touch Pro CDMA] mindfrost82:
No need to create multiple threads for each device.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch Diamond CDMA] irusul:
good job thank you
[Touch Diamond CDMA] mindfrost82:
No need to create multiple threads for each device.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] mancsoulja:
Dont be stupid are diamonds are like 2 or 3 years old now, its like sumone with a 3 year old laptop kicking off cuz microsoft wont giv them a free windows 7 upgrade lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] xavierdemon:
I doubt it will happen but there's no harm in trying and my Diamond is still awesome, best phone I've ever owned and just keeps getting better thanks to XDA developers :).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] soljd19:
That's not the point. People ARE prepared to pay for it. We'd all start screaming if PC manufacturere prevented us from upgrading to Win 7 unless we bought the latest PC from them. Forcing us to throw our old mobile to get the latest OS is not exactly eco friendly. What does that say about HTC?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jporch316:
I agree - its the best phone I ever owned - Ive had two since (g1 - sold on ebay and diamond 2 - gave to my other half).

The new 6.5 will work on this handset and it should be made available (officially)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] irusul:
i support you
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] tangd:
Are online petitions even worth anything? I think your description is weak. You should remove the threat about moving to Samsung and Android. It is unnecessary and it makes it seem like everyone who signed the petition has that negative attitude.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] mindfrost82:
No need to create multiple threads for each device.
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
You already created this thread here which I closed. No need for 1, let alone 2 of these
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] amadaeliseo:
This petition i directed to HTC, Microsoft and all wireless carriers who sell these devices:

We want Windows Phone 6.5 for our HTC Touch Diamond/Pro/HD!

Sign Petition here

Help me so I can help you.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Marcdu81:
We've done the same thing few years ago for Trinity and nothing happened ... When HTC say NO it's really NO ....
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Aussi:
we've got briliant chefs , so no need for it
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] fotone:
A cosa serve questa petizione?

Abbiamo già wm 6.5 con manila 2.5 sull'HD. Addirittura abbiamo wm 6.5.1 !!!! :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] tsalta:
The problem is not only with the ROM`s for example i use Blackstone and i buy it when was out on the market for alot money.. The problem is that you have a super phone.. without a support for example iPhone have alot FUN apps thousend and thousend over the net and the peoples can have fun at all.. for example iWash and etc.

The HTC have alot more potential and all resource but nothing heppand.

Imagine if the HTC have Support and they release NEW ROM`s and NEW APPS make by themself what then will be here?

Nobody will buy Any other kind of Device i love my Blackstone but i miss FUN and Enterteinment Apps

Regards
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] skulk3r:
I believe this is unnecessary when we have brilliant chefs who make ROMs that run smoother and more stable than Stock ROMs. If you want to think about it a different way - we got WM6.5 before it was officially released! Can't be more happy than that!

If you want to keep your warranty without too much hassle use USPL.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] telegraph0000:
Why the double thread?

A certain MOD will not be amused!!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] redd214:
probably a waste of time man. htc is already a few generations ahead in their phone lineup. to them these phones might as well not even exist anymore.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] crankshaft:
hasn't your thread elsewhere been closed? lol

I've made this point before and I'll make it again.

If you go out and buy and computer from say HP with Vista on it and a year down the road MS release Windows 7 would you really expect HP to provide you with a free upgrade?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Fallen Spartan:
Last chance saloon mate, I've already closed 2 others threads by yourself on this topic. No need to create duplicate threads. Read the forum rules!!

Having a petition ain't going to change HTC's mind on this. Although I appreciate your reasons its a pointless cause

Thread closed

p.s. PM me to discuss reasons for closing your threads if you feel hard done by, but if another thread is created I will have no choice but to issue you a 3 day ban