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[General Topics] forceshield:
It's sad to me that I have to come here and keep checking this thread every few days. From the first day I had my G1 I spent multiple times per day, every day checking the updates for G1's up and comings. I switched to a better phone, the Droid. Now I check once every few days, now that I realize the Mods would of created a forum by now if they wanted one, it would of been here already. One day hopefully a superior HTC Phone will come out with features that are vital to me, and I can jump back on board here. Enjoyed this place tremendously and donated several times, while it was useful to me.
[General Topics] najjannaj:
Vote for a Droid/Milestone section!
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
Not gonna happen.
[General Topics] marm0lade:
I wandered over here from the engadget blog and started reading some threads because I was feeling nostalgic. And now I remember why I stopped visiting this forum. The elitist attitudes.

And I'm really not sure why. Why is XDA committed to HTC-only devices? Do the powers-that-be that run XDA really think all of HTC's handsets are the best the smartphone world has to offer? Can they be that naive? I doubt it. Is there some underlying reason? Otherwise it just does not make sense.

The last graph in this article shows droid has 24% of the android market now. It came out 2 and a half weeks ago. Gaining that much market share in 2.5 weeks is incredible. It is clearly, and easily, going to pass the beloved HTC Dream to become the most popular Anroid device. And XDA is going to completey ignore the largest segment of android users. Well, not completely ignore. They get a generalized Android forum. Good thing devices like the Pharos and Rose have their own dedicated forums though. They are so popular.

The last time I checked, the content on this site is community driven. It is a forum, after all. The XDA admins would be wise to keep this in mind. If your community drives your content it is usually a good idea to support your community, especially when they are asking for something as reasonable as supporting the soon-to-be most popular android handset.

If there is a legitimate reason XDA can not host a forum dedicated to the moto droid, I think the users deserve to have this known to them. The support for it is obviously there. Is there some kind of deal with HTC that protects XDA from litigation for hacking HTC code? Has XDA been warned by other handset manufacturers not to host forums for their devices? Otherwise, XDA needs to realize that HTC is not the only player in the smartphone market anymore, and this includes europe. Since the iphone has opened up to any carrier in europe it has steadily been leeching marketshare. I know this is irrelevant to XDA because their OS is strictly closed, but it serves as a good example. There are going to be other devices besides the iphone that do well in europe. I expect the droid to do well and I expect many other non-HTC droid devices to do very well also. It would be only logical for XDA to expand it's horizons. What gives?
[General Topics] jairomeo:
There are other Android based forums that focus on strictly Android, and are even working on rooting it, like alldroid.org, XDA is for HTC and it has worked very well for them. Why would they screw with the success they've had?
[General Topics] prince.siraj:
Wow was that started like last week? Pretty cool
[General Topics] bleomycin:
I'm so concerned about the future of the droid because of the lack of support from XDA that im getting ready to return it outright in the hopes that the passion is released for verizon sooner rather than later. I paid an early termination fee to cancel my sprint contract to switch over to the droid and cancelled my long standing pre-order for the N900 which is something i had been waiting years for. That's how impressed with the droid i was.

The one and only reason im considering the passion at all is because the support of this forum. It sucks moving to an inferior device for my needs but the trade off in hackability will be worth it im hoping. There is just no way the droid is going to be able to get a strong hacking effort off the ground with everyone spread across all these different forums, as it is i'm forced to follow 5 forums just for the droid and things aren't going anywhere fast :( This is not going to be the G1, version 2.0
[General Topics] iPhone iWing:
i hate to say it, but you all that grabbed the droid are really impatient. you just need to wait. HTC is more then bound to throw another android device out. They love whats hot and will make one for the consumers. Moto has nothing. they have only made 2 devices that are running on a hair off the chin. I have no patients for moto. The only ones i will watch for are, of course HTC, Samsung and Sony. They are the main ones to take pride in performance and true hardware quality. HTC will bring out many many more. They will always have money to spend on development because a lot love wmb and a lot love android. Wait!! The future of android has barely yet birth. It is the becoming of a dawn of linux support.
[General Topics] dopeless:
You know... i have owned pretty many HTC devices. Beginning from Prophet. I can not say i was totally happy with any HTC device. I wanted to buy me something from Nokia, but Droid came to the market. And you know... it made the difference. I'm using this phone since last week and I'm happy with it. I don't want HTC any more.
[General Topics] cellulararrest:
We just raised enough money over at Alldroid.org to take apart a droid for exploration into rooting it. There most likely is access to a root shell.

Stay tuned over there and stop hounding these guys to add the Droid to their ranks. It isn't going to happen.

And stay tuned to the developer Wiki http://wiki.droid-devs.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
[General Topics] synaptyc:
I like how PPCGeeks.com has their forum split into sides based on the native build of the phone. IE: WinMO devices and Android devices.

Their site is very nice now... many improvements lately.

My 2 cents.
[General Topics] synaptyc:
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[General Topics] bleomycin:
Has anyone noticed that alldroid.org doesnt exist anymore? Seemingly in time with the donations to the hacking effort meeting its goal of $425? skeeeeeetchy!
[General Topics] rainabba:
Man, your info is all that's sketchy. AllDroid.org hasn't gone anywhere. I JUST refreshed the page I've been following for days and the site is definately still there.

http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431&start=230
[General Topics] rainabba:
Follow that advice, and you might as well never buy a phone. There will ALWAYS be a better one right around the corner. I can't speak for others, but I jumped on the droid because it was as I expected, a device that runs Android like a champ and cuts NO corners that exists NOW.
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
People have all ready torn down the droid.

http://androidoverdrive.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=63
[General Topics] cellulararrest:
Without the intention of probing it for a serial port with access to a root shell.
[General Topics] modidlee:
actually they should've named it something other than DROID; many Android phone owners were calling their phones droids before the VZW Droid was even announced. milestone would've been the best name worldwide IMO
[General Topics] Zyren:
I am pretty disappointed by this decision. I have been a fan of windows mobile, having an HTC kaiser for over 2 years. I followed these forums quite a bit, and was very happy with being able to hack/reflash the firmware of my HTC phone. I jsut recently got a motorola droid and i love it. I figured this forum would be all over the phone. Apparently not. If the droid is not supported here, i will probably have no need to visit this site again. Thats a real shame.
[General Topics] Kainous:
HTC hasn't provided a new android handset with a physical keyboard yet. It's just the G1.

For now I see more possibility in the Milestone (GSM version for me). Which is why I will be selling my HTC Dream.

And I will stick with the milestone for now.

This forum is called Android Software Development.

So I don't see any reason why non HTC Android software shouldn't be here.

Even if we don't get a sub-forum.. We can post our Android Software here and just state what device this software is for in the thread title, right?
[General Topics] mr502:
LMFAO!!!!!

I can't help but laugh at this thread . This is the equivalent of demanding McDonald's to "offer steak and potatoes or I won't come back" ! THATS NOT WHAT THEY DO!

This site PROCLAIMS that they built it around HTC phones

ONLY

. Why is this so difficult to understand?! Droid owners are just pissed because the best public Android Modders, are on this site and the Droid forums on the net , ALL SUCK. I'm not defending the site just amused at the whining.

Last time I checked, this site was around WAY before Android . Why do you people think that its XDA's responsibility to make sure Android's development is pushed forward?! You are telling XDA that their mission statement needs to change, to cater to you and to Android?! Go to an ANDROID forum for that.

meanwhile...LMFAO !!!!! :D
[General Topics] Kainous:
I'm not telling anyone their statement needs to change.

I'm only saying that since this forum is an Android Software Development forum. Isn't it ok if we post our developed software on this forum? As long as we state which device this software is for in the title?
[General Topics] greekfossil:
i think is good too add milestone her in the xda - developers site ;)
[General Topics] HeadKase:
McDonalds started by offering hamburgers, they have since added many different kinds of products (salads, chicken nuggets, iced coffee's, etc.)

The statement you made makes me laugh. Just imagine me standing next to you in line at McDonalds and yelling at you or making fun of you for ordering an iced coffee. "IF YOU WANT ICED COFFEE GO TO STARBUCKS!! MCDONALDS HAS BEEN AROUND BEFORE ANYONE ELSE AND ALL THEY EVER WANTED TO SERVE WAS HAMBURGERS. THE BEST HAMBURGER COOKS ALL WORK FOR MCDONALDS AND EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS!!"

I think the reason people are asking for a Motorola Droid sub on xda is because they do understand that there are some great programmers that lurk this site. To use your logic I will make a counter example. Imagine if you went to buy a car and the dealership told you that it will only EVER be available in black no ifs ands or buts. You'd probably think that a little odd and consider going to another dealership to see if they had cars in other colors. Henry Ford said that his cars would only EVER be available in black :)

So to get yourself all worked up is silly. There is nothing wrong with asking if xda is willing to expand. If people like to come to this forum to see what's going on I think xda should be flattered.
[General Topics] mr502:
asking for an additional forum is fine. suggestions to better the site are fine.

i take suggestion on the sites that i run all the time.

my point is/was .......

1.demanding that XDA take "responsibility" for android's development , as if they have some obligation to do so, is ridiculous. Saying that XDA will be hindering the development by excluding Droid, is just as stupid. leaving because of it ...oh well , see ya!

2.My McD's example was spot on and obviously you don't see the big picture. DEMANDING(keyword) to be served something that they don't have AND storming out is stupid. GO TO WHERE THEY SERVE THAT RIGHT NOW!

3.A suggestion box is for suggestions and requests...... SOME, not all, but SOME of the people in this particular thread are placing ULTIMATUMS in the suggestion box and that makes me laugh. WHY? (refer to 1.)

MAYBE THAT WAS EASIER TO FOLLOW.

(and for the record I would like to see a droid forum on here myself , my g1 will be a backup if Droid gets rooted. But I can understand if the admin want to stick to their TRADITION ) back to LMAO ;)
[General Topics] slick69:
Running a forum ain't free ;)
[General Topics] iamkewl:
I don't see how it would hurt if they add a Droid section..

I mean why not take advantage of the awesome community here?

If the hardcore people don't like it, then just don't go to the forum?..

/my2cents
[General Topics] michd43:
It is, what it is. If you want the droid to have a home here, then you need all the WinMo devices from Samsung, LG, Moto, and so on... to have a home here too. Why can't people respect that this is a HTC device site only.
[General Topics] ledfortr:
I don't think it will expand our community until the point its unrecognizable. Just like every new phone you get, you switch over and follow the specific forum for that specific phone while you have it. You are a community with fellow device owners for the most part. I think the droid forum is a good idea, providing a platform and medium for development and collaboration is what this site is about, if we don't do it hear, it will happen somewhere else and we may miss all the goodies that can be leveraged.

my .02
[General Topics] rdfry:
yes that is the purpose of this forum. There just won't be any subforums for non HTC Phones at this site ever. People have to realize that these new non HTC phones are going to be replaced by better HTC Phones in short order.
[General Topics] mancsoulja:
what are you on about! in this sites contex xda devices are 02 branded htc devices, this site was always ment to be a htc specific site, the first device the admins on this site got was an o2 branded htc device hence the name, there will never ever be a non htc made device forum end of so this debate is futile
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
I don't get what you are getting at here. And technically you can run a forum for free. And yes I do run a forum.
[General Topics] mancsoulja:
you can run a forum for fee, you need to pay for servers, ftp servers, bandwith, electricty ect gawd some ppl lol do you think xda is run on magical free servers than run on solar power and get free bandwith and maintain themselves lol
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
There is free services for everything you just mentioned except for electricty but wow how much does that cost. There are free servers, free hosting, free bandwidth. Do you ever know what you are talking about?
[General Topics] B-man007:
lol dude i run 3 forums and mod at another......trust me....you can run forums for free
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
And he missed a big word I had in my original statement. That word is "Technically". Wow dude you just keep losing.
[General Topics] crpercodani:
A forum this size might not be free but you can easily run a forum with a few thousand members for free besides the 10 dollar domain fee. And this site would only cost about 80 a year for unlimited hosting and bandwidth if you use a decent host, no need for your own server and ****. So you obviously don't know **** about what your saying dude.
[General Topics] jrodizzkool01:
*To everyone saying that this forum is only for HTC phones*

Last time I checked, the Palm Treo 750, Palm Treo Pro, Sony Xperia X1 weren't HTC devices:rolleyes:. I don't think that all non-HTC devices should be added to the forum (as that would be quite a lot of phones) but it would be great top have a voting on which phones should be added. The Samsung Omnia 2 and Motorola Droid would be perfect for XDA Developers.
[General Topics] cellulararrest:
For christ's sake. Can't you read? Those devices are manufactured by HTC.

For anyone that cares at the end of this pathetic thread, the droid has been rooted.

http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=567
[General Topics] rdfry:
HTC manufactures phones for other companies. All three of these phones are HTC Phones. If a phone has a subforum on this site it is an HTC Phone.
[General Topics] slick69:
Conspiracy theory alert: HTC could be unofficially paying for the upkeep of this forum in exchange for exclusivity - have you seen the kind of developers we have here? If you go on any WM or Android forum people talk about buying HTC phones so they can have xda-devs support. It would be a very cheap way to get customers to keep coming back without being responsible for buggy ROMs and other software. :D
[General Topics] brybam:
android-devs.org

I'd recommend using android-devs.org forums. It's Pretty new but it's setup very similar to XDA its just android device oriented. Not HTC. Seriously, there's even a nook forum! haha
[General Topics] jesterdroid:
why would anyone want to go there when they steal other peoples threads that they don't want posted there, and they don't even credit where they got it from?

when alldroid allows the dev's to post there own work...

i know.. i am my own moderator of my own thread.

alldroid.org covers all devices and.. "Is" the first with dev's to drop the droid root!

with media coverage to back it up.

San Francisco Examiner - http://tinyurl.com/yf4ttc8

iClarified Apple News - http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=6502

They need to give Credit where credit is due. Unless "they" are on the forefront of discovery.
[General Topics] lbcoder:
You can't expect any CARRIER to de-name a device sensibly, can you? It is a marketing crock to get the ill-informed to actually think that everybody who says "droid" is referring to a device that only THEY sell -- the device, as I recall, is actually called "SHOLES" by the manufacturer.
[General Topics] thedoginthewok:
I really want a Milestone/Droid Section.

I'm planning to get a Droid soon.
[General Topics] addicus:
Listen - this has nothing to do with rep. It has to do what the owner of the site has decided and the money that she is willing to spend on bandwith, etc....

This site is for HTC built phones. You guys knew that when you bought your MOTOROLA Droids so stop the complaining. Asking for a section and everyone saying please is cool - but having the nerve to lecture the owner/mod is ridiculous. You knew what you were getting when you bought the phone - no freaking support. HTC is building plenty of Android phones, albiet none as spec worthy of the Droid currently.

Please read what the site is about and how it was built. A group of people who wanted to make their phones better got together and started this place. I you feel so strongly about it - you guys have the talent to do so.

Also - as great as the Android system is, this is a major flaw in it. It's simply not easy to root. As much as we rag on Windows Mobile it is flexible and modifiable.

Good luck guys and please stop treating the owner as if she's your b****. It's still her site, her money and her prerogative. Respect her and the admins - they've earned it.
[General Topics] TFJ4:
Can't wait for when all the Droid fanboys leave after the Nexus One steals there thunder =)
[General Topics] crpercodani:
The Nexus is nice and all, and it's HTC, but I can't live without a physical keyboard so it's just not a option for me. Even with a snapdragon. Besides I have 2.1 on my droid now anyway.
[General Topics] sourcesociety:
Quit the bickering. You're all acting like a bunch of children.
[General Topics] anheuer:
i have been reading a lot of threads conserning the rooting of the droid.

But i cant seemt to find this also works for the milestone.
[General Topics] jrodizzkool01:
Ive read Randomocity812's post and I still don't see where you got the idea that he was complaining or being disrespectful. What he did was a called a 'suggestion' and he did it in a respectful way.
[General Topics] addicus:
Dude really? You have been here for a while but didn't know this site is dedicated to HTC manufactured devices? Seriously? I'm the one irritating you? Please read the introduction of the site and don't just jump into the forums section. You have no right to lecture me when you frequent a site and have no idea what it's all about. I wish you Droid owners the best. My post was in answer to you saying other phones weren't being supported because there was a 'rep' to uphold. It was also to the numerous posts in this thread where people were chastising the admins and ownership for not bowing to their wants.

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In review - asking for a forum is cool. Taking the admins and ownership to task for keeping to a long standing policy you should have been aware of is not cool.

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Also - just in case you haven't picked up on it - this site is a developers site and warez isn't allowed here. Just a little fyi.
[General Topics] rainabba:
The majority of that post isn't worth a response, but your mention of warez does need some some attention since since you're obviously implying something and publicly, but clearly don't have the balls to speak your mind, OR be a responsible forum user and PM me instead of taking this thread further off topic. That said, and so anyone who might also be wondering will know, WTF are you getting at?

By the way, I and anyone else here have just as much a right to "lecture" as you so get off your high horse and start walking prince, or go your merry way and STFU. :)

"...you Droid users..." <-- Exactly the sort of attitude I'm trying to address.
[General Topics] tr1st4n:
take that stupid sony forum off then.
[General Topics] ElCondor:
rainabba when are you going to stop this! It doesn't make any sense.

Just stop attacking people!

And BTW do not send me any PM again or I'll warn the mods.

X1= made by HTC.
[General Topics] rainabba:
Attacking? I'm one of the only people here being reasonable. Not pulling crap like the warez stab (which is yet to be explained or justified).

BTW, you are freaking slow. I haven't PMd you in months and I WILL do it again if it makes more sense than spamming up a thread (like I'm doing right now because clearly nobody else gives a sh** about keeping threads on-topic).
[General Topics] velazcod:
????

Guys, I'm neutral here, and I respect the decisions of the admins to only support HTC devices.

I just have a question, then why are there non-HTC devices listed on the main forums, that you guys support?

Example: Sony Ericsson Xperia X1, Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 and Sony Ericsson Xperia X1.

Just asking :confused:
[General Topics] jrodizzkool01:
I'm also confused about this. I sometimes see people saying that the Xperia is made by HTC but it's obviously a Sony. Is it because HTC helped in the design department that warrants a Sony to be on an HTC forum? Same thoughts about the Palm 750 and Treo Pro. I've searched google trying to figure out if HTC made the Palm 750 and can't find any info on it.

And to whoever thinks that people who join xda-developers automatically know that it's an HTC (or what people 'consider' to be HTC) only site, I had no idea about it until around a month ago when I found someone asking why the Omnia wasn't on the site, and I've been an active member for almost a year. I still don't even know why it's HTC based but have the idea that maybe HTC donates to the site or something.
[General Topics] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
I'm rather neutral to this whole discussion, but I'll try to explain the reasoning behind the Xperia X1 and Treo 750/Pro forums:

The reason they're on XDA-Developers is because HTC manufactured and designed those devices. They all use HTC bootloaders, have similar chipsets (for example: the Treo 750 is almost identical to the HTC Hermes internally), and they were all manufactured by HTC. They may be marketed and sold by Sony and Palm under their own respective brands, but they are essentially HTC devices because HTC designed and manufactured them, and AFAIK work identically to HTC devices, right down to the SPL. They can also be hacked just like HTC devices, unlike other brands. I hope that helps, as I realize it can be a bit confusing at first
[General Topics] velazcod:
got it. thanks
[General Topics] ElCondor:
How can one be so angry...