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[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
yup yup yippee, I used a certain ROM that claimed to be fast and stable and it was just the opposite and also had a bad memory leak. I was running under 20 megs in about 8 hours. there should be an end user grading system, it dosent necessary have to be on xda, but a link somewhere in a sticky in the Dev forum. it could have things like speed, stable, memory, battery, looks, radio, overall quality, etc. on a one to ten scale, maybe a short comment box under 200 words then an overall score that's averaged among the reviews. this will definitely help noobs and devs know what's going on without trying to read over 400+ pages of compliments/complaints and how do I flash this posts.

As much as yall hate the "whats the best ROM" posts, i do find them helpful as i hate wiping & flashing several ROMs, I just want a good one and stick with it. This is just a suggestion, although I think its a good one. Id do it myself if I knew how to make web pages :( .

oops I just realized muzek pretty much made the same point I did.
[G1 General] pjcforpres:
You do beautiful work! I wouldn't worry at all about his opinion. I have used yours for week long stretches, and the most recent builds have been plenty stable. No FC's during those periods, no real slow down beyond the normal, and so forth.

I do prefer dwang's, mostly because seat of my pants it feels a bit quicker for what I am doing. If I cared at all about 3D games, dwang wouldn't even be an option, and you would be my favorite by a country mile. And yes, I have tested yours with the RAM hack, it was brilliant! I was hard pressed to switch off it and back to dwang's when I did, but I had to appease my flashing needs.

I think you have picked a perfect path for your ROM series, bleeding edge. Nobody does what you do as well as you do. dwang, as we all should know, is a different path, his focus is on simplistic speed and stability. In the end, dwang achieves his goal, and you achieve yours, and you both do it better than anyone else with similar goals. It isn't a question of who's is best, since you are both the best at what you do.
[G1 General] uansari1:
Right on... that's exactly the point that the simpleton toolbag that started this thread can't seem to grasp.
[G1 General] BloodyWasHere:
By far, the number one Fastest and most stable rom is Enomther's TheOfficial AOSP, though all other roms are also great, but personally, i prefer TheOfficial over All, it offers both total customization, and stability, plus its good with 3d games.. also its REALLY easy to use.

oo and best for last, a dev who fixes bugs(if any) almost instantly.
[G1 General] B-man007:
hahah i came back after a month and this thread was on the front page.

don't expect any lol

all he says is its not stable.... if only he had apple. "There's a patch for that"
[G1 General] :
Well said.

And about patches.. I am not a dev. but a user.
[G1 General] njuncos:
then post the bugs you complain about. that is all he wants. he wants to fix problems and does so by going through the Bug Tracker. Where are your bugs you complain about all the time? Post them and you will gain respect...
[G1 General] ilaughinyourface:
Yo bro, y u got to b in our face liek dat, we jus want to try our own thang. plus Supa D is fastr anyway
[G1 General] jubeh:
Humor me, how was it you determined the rom "had a bad memory leak" and how did you get your figure for "running under 20 megs in about 8 hours"?
[G1 General] JoelOFH:
I don't see how one could possibly have so many problems with Cyanogen's builds. The only problem I've ever encountered was when somebody called me, my phone wouldn't wake, nor it wouldn't stop vibrating. I had to pull the battery.

After that experience I turned off vibrate (until the man fixes this bug) and it's been working wonderfully ever since.

And, I hate to say it, but Android isn't (yet, at least) aimed towards a "business user". If you want a business phone, go for a BlackBerry.

Shut up.
[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
Because, every morning I reboot the phone, and using avanced task manager and Task X to free up the ram, by the evening all I could free up was about 18 or 19 megs. Then eventually the phone reboots itself when opening up an app, I then wiped and flashed the ROM again and still the same thing. Sounds like the ROM had a bug huh? I went through three other ones and never had that problem, and ended up staying with Cyanogen when the latest stable was released. Hope you had a good lol.

I'm thinking about trying dwangs out next from all the good things I heard about it.
[G1 General] jubeh:
Ok, I was trying to set you up for it but I didn't get the response I expected, so I'll explain it instead (and in the process lose the win). You can't "free up RAM", the system does it automatically, but you really don't want to because unused RAM is wasted RAM. RAM is the OS' working memory, meaning any resources it needs are loaded into RAM for quick access to them, so it's important for the system to load as many things into RAM as possible so that they're readily available, however, when the system run out of RAM and it need to load something else, it has to "dump" some of the stored data (this can be handled in several different ways) to free up space for the new data necessary.

Now, you said you have 18-19 megs free. I'm pretty sure you're talking about internal storage and not RAM, the only moment when that much amount of ram is available is when the system boots and that only lasts for a few seconds (do $free during a boot to see how much ram is still available). Those 18-19 megs free are the space available in the device's /data partition, that, among other things, and depending on the build, holds application data, cache, dalvik-cache (the semi-decompiled application code), user data, etc. I don't see why using task-killer (which only calls an app's stop() method) would free up any space in /data, unless it's temporary application storage.

The amount available in /data is in NO WAY a measure of performance, nor does it affect performance in any way whatsoever (unless you have so little space left that apps can't write their temporary data, but we're talking about tens of kilobytes here).

I haven't used dwang's build (I use my own AOSP build), but I'm willing to bet the reason your /data has less space free on his build is because he's only moving /data/app and /data/app-private to sd contrary to cyanogen also moving /dalvik-cache (which uses A LOT of space, mainly due to framework code), but, again, it's in no way a measure of performance.

I don't want to sound like I'm picking on you or something, but a lot of members that come through the dream forums are very misinformed about how their phone works (and we all were at one point).

I believe performance is best measured in user-experience rather than raw data or synthetic benchmarking ie; for me, Hero is faster than a stock rom when checking e-mails or text messages because of the widget, I don't lose time having to open up the app, even if opening up the app would take longer on a Hero rom. Reliability is imporant too. You can't have a phone reboot unexpectedly, or take a long time to let you know you're getting a call (hero, i'm looking at you), it's a phone after all.

To me, the speediest rom/device is the one you're more productive with ::hugs his old Samsungs T-509 and T-629 dearly::
[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
Thanks for the info. This was a few months back and maybe the ROM itself was unstable

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[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
you are clearly a fanboy... andactually enomther does make donut roms

dwangs is fast,but it uses the 10mb ram hack...which effects 3d applications...so therefore u cant say the fastest "AND" most stable.

cyan at least keeps it clean.
[G1 General] :
some people came from enomther.. and find this one faster. Have you tried it? Show me someone who has tried it and does not like it. And yes it uses the ram hack.. but for business use you don't need 3d anyway.. that 3d ram is much better used for other stuff. If you need the 3d ram..for games.. you probably care more for features than speed anyway... I am a fanboy since he is the first who actually delivers when he claims fast. The others incl. cyanogen where constantly disappointing.
[G1 General] kryptik06:
I have tried alot of the themes, and Cyanongen was the best one for me and I am planing on sticking with it
[G1 General] xManMythLegend:
1. Theres no way of telling whats the fastest with such easy determination. YMMV is pretty much invisibly labeled on every ROM regardless of who or why its made. Too many hardware variables.

2.OP does have a point about the clutter. Ive ventured into numerous Hero rom threads and SPEED! claims are always common. Yet every comment outside of those threads is how Hero is still laggy. Its very confusing.
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
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[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
but u claim u dwangs to be fastest "AND" stable which is not even tru.

the keyword is and..

the 10mb does screw up with 3d APPS..not neccessarily games. and theres something in the rom that hinders 3g under certain circumstances. i've flash dwangs and cyans 4 times each ...one after another to do a speedtest in the same locations and got lower speed results with dwangs. so its safe to say the rom is speedy,but stable compared to cyan? no.

phone speed has increased,but data speeds has decreased in dwangs

cyan is clearly speedy "AND" stable

plus u only have 18 post and thought enomther didnt do donut roms...it shows that u r inexperienced and showing fanboy-ism
[G1 General] :
Brian_V3ntura: Brian... I have had Cyanogen flashed on 3 phones.. all high use phones. It quite frankly SUCKED.. it sucked so bad we all were ready to throw the phone out the window. It simply came to a crawling halt.. granted that wasn't the last version.. I think one or two before that.

And you know Brian we have probably different use cases, you're 20, schoolboy with a little side job and don't use a rom for longer than a week... you need 3d for your games... to impress show off features. This post is for people who have a real job use their phone not just play with it... once you're 10 years older you might understand how different that is then the world you are currently in (we've all been there).
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
IMHO...

I started off running JF, the the Dude, then Cyanogen. Now I am running Dwang...In terms of speed and everyday use, Dwangs is far faster than anything I have previously used. I have not had one force close using it. In fact, the only problem I have had is installing some of the themes built for it. Also, I have noticed increased download speeds with Dwang's.

It would be nice if more folks were making themes for Dwang.

I didn't realize how slow Cyanogen was until I flashed Dwang's...Everything is faster. Menus open quicker, home opens quicker, apps open quicker and without lag...On Cyan I couldn't even get ADB right to work any more or even mount the sd card since the USB tethering came out. Cyan is on the cutting edge and is doing great things and it is great as an experimental ROM, but the speed difference and stability between Cyan and Dwang is incomparable for a daily user. Frankly, I don't give a damn about Dwang's 10mb RAM hack. Great work I say.. The phone freaking flies! Period.

I was getting force closes on a regular basis with Cyan 4.2.3. The phone would ring and buzz and the phone would have to be rebooted to fix it....That doesn't happen anymore...I too was getting quite disgusted with my G1 until flashing Dwang's!

I never wanted to go to a Hero ROM because all reports are that they are very laggy compared to Cyan and many things don't work.

EVERYTHING works on Dwang

! If you need speed and something to work for you everyday, then Dwang is your ROM! Keep up the fantastic work Cyan. I hope to continue to use your innovations after they are tested! :)
[G1 General] :
iflyabeech

Yep exactly my experiences... this might be a bit a bold claim.. but maybe stock is most stable.. then you get speed by simply making more room, getting more memory. I come to the conclusion that that is probably the no 1 major speed booster. So I am running the Haykuro SPL.. and Dwang's ram hack and compcache... all together.. just makes Dwang fly..... all that swapping etc.. just is too slow.

Here are a few more awesome things.. I have found.

Go and install the Y5 app from the market... takes care of wifi on/off by connecting only when you're near a wifi (by storing cell tower locations), saving TONS of battery while getting full wifi.. BRILLIANT APP....
[G1 General] ihateusernames:
^And this was completely neccessary. Did someone say something bad about your precious ROM?

You are definatly making yourself out to look like the fanboy and the professionalism in this post makes me wonder how you could keep a "real job".:rolleyes:

YMMV. I have ran Dwangs and liked it but also found issues with 3G where I work. That wouldn't work for my use as I am just a silly, immature child who knows nothing about real life and wanted to be able to download podcasts while at work for gym time. I have had issues with Cyan in the past but currently run the latest Cyan and have not had a single issue. Many others also have no issues as I am sure many running Dwang have no issues. I don't see any one ROM as better than the other, just different.

And to my point. The problem with review threads is that opinions are like a**hol.... oh hell, you get the point. You have to take every review with a grain of salt. Unless you are knowledgable about whatever it is you are reading a review for, you won't be able to sift through the fanboy horses**t. The universal truth is that when most people make a decision, they tend to defend it to the death regardless of whether it is right or wrong. Mostly because they don't want to admit they are wrong.

Now the problem with ROM review threads, in my opinion, is that things change here so fast and so many things are experimental. To bash someones hard work in a review on an experimental, FREE ROM that was never truly intended for broad use is unfair.

Since this thread is starting into the my c**k is bigg... err I mean, the ROM I use is better than yours type of threads, I'd like to say that I haven't been a member here long as I haven't really needed to post much but I have been lurking for quite some time. In the time I have been here there has been a growing theme. People are friggin whiners. The fact that people bash the hard work of these fine developers who share their work with us free of charge and do their best to keep us ahead of the stock software is absolutely absurd. These guys are doing their best and some are better than others but what gives anyone the right to berate the work of any of them if you can't do it yourself and didn't pay for it.

The hell with it. I'm going back to lurking. Ignorance is bliss.
[G1 General] rey424:
all i can say i have dwang rom and works really good for me......................
[G1 General] :
Good... what you mention and ask for is exactly THE PROBLEM. Anyone can publish a rom, claim anything they want... don't get me wrong Cyan has done amazing work... so I don't mean him in what I say below. I have used many of his things (recovery), components... his Rom's are not stable enough for my use.. but he has the drive to make them.. which I value, however his accomplishments and results are undisputed, so I'd exclude him from what I say below.

However there is quite a lot of crap out there for Roms, and no one that goes out and says.. hey this is garbage... or just another clone of xyz. Now I don't do that neither because I try to be a nice guy, but I can do the opposite if someone has done something well then I can bring it up. Your point is basically to value the hard work anyone puts in.. regardless if the result sucks. Trust me with that attitude you won't get far in life - why because you'll focus on whiners and wanting-to-do people and you'd be taken as a sucker.... rather than that you should focus on people who deliver results.

So what I don't like is all this hyping up how some roms are the greatest thing since running water, then when you flash it it's pure garbage. And no one says a thing.. all it often seems to be is a mutual ego stroking session.

So I AM GRATEFUL for results, I value quality, I admire guys who can deliver a finished product that works. It is easy to slap something together not test it, not bug it out. To get something that works.. that is used and supported that's 80% of the work. And anyone in software development (that do it for a living.. not just for hobby) will agree with that. And also there is an attitude that comes with a developer, the drive to be better, to improve to deliver a quality product. XDA I find is full with effort... it needs a bit more quality control... It is ok to publish a developer version... but than say so. Don't go out publish it as a final version that's pure garbage.

So I do NOT admire..time put in or effort... however I do admire result. Whether it took the developer 2min to do it, or 500h, I might notice it but don't really care. But if I see a great result... I admire that.. and if that makes me a fanboy.. I don't care. If you read the thread many people agree with my assessment.. and it tends to be the people who actually use the phone.
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
uhm wow how many times do i have to say 3D "APPS" not games. apps includes APPLICATIONS that use 3d capabilities. ur clearly a fanboy and ur mind is biased. why not accept the fact that dwangs donut rom has problems too.. and since u havent really been here long,i doubt u know how to properly do things in terms or flashing and tweaking.....

and actually u didnt really respond to anything in my previous post. u just started to rant like a fanboy. i claim that u cant call this rom FASTEST AND STABLE and i called u out on that. one serious issue with dwangs rom is data speed has been hindered compared to cyanogens..and if u want the 10mb hack for cyanogen ,there is a kernal for that. i bet u didnt even try that.

and actually i am the type of person to have things working without major issues. so i quickly hopped off dwangs when i discovered the data speed issue. u argue with ur fanboy-ism, biased mind, and opinion. i am arguing with facts.
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
ur really dumb u know... ppl agree about the fast and stability becuz noobs like u actually DONT use the rom. i actually test the roms and discover issues.

i do benchmark tests and dwangs has a little better results in speed. dwangs is faster than cyan,and is stable ENOUGH..but not stable as cyans STABLE (not experimental) roms. plus theres a thread that includes 10mb hack for cyans kernals

youre just so opinionated and refuse to accept the facts.
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
Brian, all most of us care about is results. We give a ____less about your benchmarks and tests...IMHO, from daily use doing all sorts of stuff, Dwang's is incredibly faster and incredibly more stable than any other ROM I have ever used. I have absolutely none of the problems with it that I have had with other stable or Experimental ROMS.

To each his own. now why don't YOU quit being a fanboy youself, quit being the pot who is calling the kettle black and just can it with the smack talk.....geez
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
how am i being a fanboy? can u tell me? i am just stating the facts between dwangs and cyans. i only use donut roms for weekends since i work and go out. and i WAS going to use DWANGS ,but since i found out abt the data speed being hinder, i quickly flashed cyans,other hero roms,and back to dwangs to see if 3g was really hindered, which was.

"incredibly more stable than any other ROM I have ever used" really now? just to let u know 10mb and a hindered 3g speed doesnt really help with ur claim as MORE STABLE.

and benchmark tests dont lie.. numbers dont lie. just stating my results to you ppl who are biased.

at least my claims are factual and not opinionated
[G1 General] dwang:
No 3g problems in my area, Brian. I'm maxing out tmobile's 3g speed limit. You might want to reflash your radio to see if that fixes the problem.

For those that use 3D for games or anything else, I don't recommend that those people use my ROM. I personally don't play games on my mt3g or have used an app that requires high performance 3d so I'm personally very happy with the ram hack. If others don't like it, they can choose to run a different ROM. I'm putting this ROM out there as courtesy to others, its not like I'm soliciting any money. I'm one of the few devs that doesn't have a paypal link in my sig.

Dave
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
Yes...brian...you mention two supposed problems that I do not see. I do not use anything 3d and everything I do with my phone is better, faster, easier and more stable. This 10 mb thing you bring up is a nonissue to users like myself. It makes the ROM run fast and that's what I want. I have never seen a problem with it, ever.

As far as 3g speed, I am seeing an average of 200kpbs higher than when I was using 4.2.3.....so I do not have the issue you claim to have, nor have I heard anyone other than you mention it.

Yes, dwangs is exceptionally more stable. Again, I have had zero force closes or app failures with it and everything works as I expect it to. I love cyans ROMs but I simply cannot say the same things about my experience with them at all.

Thanks dwang and cyan. Great work both of you!
[G1 General] shovelhead83:
ok! for my very first post i would like to thank everybody who contributes time and knowledge to another human being in order to make their android experience fun and successful. you guys are awesome. with that said, cant we all just get along? lmao! i really like the hero roms, unfortunately i havnt found one that i am truly happy with. currently i am useing cyans rom. funny thing is i seem to always resort back to dwang's rom. who am i? just a regular guy that uses his phone, alot.
[G1 General] :
Exactly and probably 95% of g1 users fall in that category.

So regarding 3G speed.. absolutely don't notice that issue.. and stability Cyan vs. Dwang... definitely dwang. Brian it seems that you are flashing a new rom every weekend... try using Cyan for a month in a row.. then do the same with Dwang and you'll notice what everyone here is talking about.

In fact a friend of mine got the Droid.. and guess what even that one fresh out of the box with nothing installed feels a ton slower than DWANG.

And if I wanna do a 3G game.. maybe once every 2 months, with RA's recovery and built in switchrom it takes me about 4min (most of it waiting) to switch to a 3d Rom and back when I am done. (Now having a little widget switch to turn on/off the Ram hack would be hot...with or without reboot - but quite frankly not really needed for now).

I have heard that flash 10 support is coming to android.. which will heavily use 3d acceleration (mostly for HD playback)..when that happens then 3d becomes more important again (and a possible switch).. until then... this Rom is my recommendation to "regular people that just use the phone a lot".

My wife just came up to me the other day (her phone has been running Dwang for a few weeks.. ever since I switched her away from Cyan) and said.. "man I love my phone now... it doest slow down anymore, no force closes and it is now exactly what I wanted - whatever you did to it it's working."

I personally think that's the ultimate test for any software development.. if it is accepted and loved by the lady...
[G1 General] jubeh:
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[G1 General] dj westie:
I'm new to all of this a have flashed Cyan rom 4.2.3.1. which is miles better than the stock firmware.

Now i am going to try dwangs rom.

But bottom line is:- Horse's for coarse's........

now everybody take a deep breath......
[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
Don't forget to wipe!
[G1 General] cyanogen:
This is the most pointless thread I have ever wasted my time reading.

Every one of us who works on these custom ROMs has different goals. Dwang wants speed at all costs, I want bleeding edge features and community contributions, etc. There are always compromises you have to make and everyone isn't going to be happy all of the time.

My advice- make a backup of your data and try them all.