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[General Topics] ma2k5:
Isn't it a dilemma to buy a phone now. Constant fear of a better version coming out within a couple of months...

So far, a lot of eyes are on the n900 and the HD2. I am not too much of a fan of the Droid - and the Xperia 10 - well that still has potential.

But then we are expecting some Nvidia Tegra 2 based mobile phones as well - not only promising very good graphics performance for gaming - but good battery life.

Then there is always, albeit quite far off - the chance apple decide to do a decent update to the 3GS (I mean, last 2 years, have only been updates to the 3G, so its about time they do something great this year right? Especially with the huge amount of new technology available).

I am stumped, I mean, I really don't know what to do. Buy the HD2, or the N900 - or wait it out for the new phones Q1 2010, or wait Q2/3 2010.

I am looking for, a laptop replacement to be honest - something I can do my browsing and so fourth on comfortably - go on websites like mini clip without hassle - maybe have good game playability. Also, would like to use it for things like BBC iplayer etc - good video recording/camera - so in a way - it seems n900 seems suitable - but then what knocks you back is that it only has a 600 mhz processor, compared to the 1GHZ processors being available - as well as a couple of other shortcomings. Every phone seems to be missing some things - but I guess no one can expect a perfect phone :). Do you think, if I wait for 6 months, I could be looking at a very decent laptop replacing phone? I am, at the moment, worried about the lack of battery life on these upcoming ones - which I hope will be amended in the near future?

I guess I am quite optimistic about the Nvidia Tegra 2 based phone - in fact I am just excited at what the possibilities will be - coming early 2010 - but at the same time - frustration - as everything seems to be getting updated really quickly...

So, what about you guys?
[General Topics] orb3000:
Welcome to forums

Well you can wait forever for the "perfect" device or decide that you can't wait any longer and buy one from the existent ones.

Also will depend on how much $ you wanna spent.

From the actual ones I can recommend:

The best with hardware keyboard: Touch Pro 2

The best with no hardware kb: HD2

Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
[General Topics] galaxys:
Welcome to HTC XDA! As orb said, the HD2 & TP2 are the tops now...see their forum sections for detailed info on them...
[General Topics] ma2k5:
What is the opinions of xda forumers on the n900? Potentially it could be huge?

One thing that annoys me about HD2 is - that it is too much makeup on 6.5 - if you get my drift? It is like it is trying to be something its not - while other OS's - seem "proper", I know it all sounds weird - I really don't know how to put it. It is like 6.5 has just had a haircut, beard trim etc to try to compete with the other OS's in terms of UI/touch screen compatibility.
[General Topics] orb3000:
Nokia perhaps is a good device but it has EDIT: maemo on it which I don´t really like...

I´ll recommend you an HTC WM device :)
[General Topics] ma2k5:
n900 has Maemo 5 OS.
[General Topics] yarod_g14:
lolol

@ ma2k5

You wont get any unbiased info from these chaps....

They cant see past the HTC logo......I think Obr3000 gets paid to post sometimes, just posts.

Hi - I buy HTc

Htc

Htc

lolol - I jest - they are all good guys....

Its got worse here over last few years (no I am joking)

Seriously

Touch Pro 2 is a good device for web browsing when using Opera 9.5+ but it is in NO way a next gen device.

But - Opera 10 is now out and available on S60 V5 platform - which is already running on new hardware on devices from samsung and sony... his is a better browsing experience at the moment, it runs OMAP 3 platform with THAT 600MHZ processor you were talking about.

I have a Touch pro 2 and an OMnia HD - side by side the OMnia is faster and smoother when comparing opera builds. Albeit at a lower resolution.....

My touch pro 2 is not quite as good as I expected it to be.

My last HTC device - HTC advantage - bought what, 3 years ago seems to run at a similar pace to this NEW Touch pro 2. Versatile and good to hack but such shabby build, camera sucks cattle, not enough buttons until you open it....

BUT the support from THIS site means that the device is AMAZING!!!!

If it wasnt for XDA dev - the touch pro 2 would just not be viable for me.

The thing to keep in Mind is that Mhz means nothing nowdays.

My Core2Duo on my PC is 2.4 Ghz per core - but each core will still outperform my old P4 3 ghz chip/// as all the buses that transfer the data are many times faster on newer platforms, plus extra tech makes the comparison even less relevant.

What I am saying here is that the 1ghz qualcomm chipies aint going to worry OMAP 3 chips running at 600 + Mhz, performance will be similar.....

Personally, as an owner of many HTC devices AND Nokia AND Samsung Omnia HD if I had the choice now, I would go with the N900 as its new and I think its going to be a killer mature platform

Then again - if I didnt have this touch pro 2 - that can do virtually EVERYTHING I want it to - spotify last fm web ftp full network access - VNC - remote desktop Logme in, Web video downloader, BBC iplayer - My player supporting Hulu channel 4 on demand,

ZENONIA RPG BLISS!!! + all social networking u can do. - Then more than likely I would go for the touch pro 2 again - then look on enviously at the N900.....

The main thing is that I end up carrying another phone for camera and music as this touch pro seems to destroy connectors that convert to 3.5 and its pointless taking shots with it....

I say get a cheaper old Touch pro 1 for the time being (same Hardware as Touch pro 2 just no huge screen) - second hand for what £150 or something......then get a N900 on contract with data connection when your up for upgrade probably for very little $$

Then you will be in tech bliss :)
[General Topics] orb3000:
Thanks for that correction

Anyway my thinking is the same, I´ll stay with WM:cool:
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
The only WM phone I am waiting right now is clamshell type with a powerful processor. :) I don't care who will make it first, HTC, Sony, Samsung, etc...
[Android Software Development] enderx1:
Does anyone know if anyone has made a multitouch browser yet for android 2.0? I know that the SDK now supports multitouch, so it should be possible for somone to modify the opensource android 1.6 browser to support it. I don't quite have the skill yet to do that type of thing yet, but I think it would be nice if someone could do that.

Thanks!
[Android Software Development] jerhoyet:
There is already a modified browser apk that supports multi-touch. Search is your friend.:)
[Android Software Development] forceshield:
Not for 2.0. Instead of being quick to get the first "search plz" post in, read the entire thing.
[Android Software Development] cellulararrest:
Agreed. The only apk I can find is one that works with the hacked kernel. It doesn't work with the official API in 2.0.

If it does exist, perhaps a link?
[Android Software Development] KelchM:
I haven't found it either. Link please?
[Android Software Development] whyteboyello:
anything on this?
[Android Software Development] bunu:
cyanogen has a multi-touch 2.0 browser in his builds. if he is nice enough he might give you the source or some help.

search before asking fu- err people
[Android Software Development] Glyphix:
I think the dolphin browser is multi touch. It has the multi touch zooming.
[Android Software Development] animere:
Here you go:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5357377#post5357377
[Android Software Development] Deathwish238:
Dolphin Browser has multitouch. Free on the market.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] turnman34:
i'm officially now a new owner of the htc fuze. already downloaded and flashed new rom. love this phone and really love this site.:D:D i think the possibility's are endless due to this site. it will be like haveing a new phone all the time with all the mods available here. thanks to all that done the great work and supplied all the awsome info to make these phones work how they need to be...

Thanks,

Greg
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] qtipextra:
Word up man. I just got mine too, and its already been flashed and running great! I love it!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] wanwarlock:
congrats on joining the club!

i've owned my touch pro for about 1 year and only brave enough to flash to the new romeos rom last night and loving it!

yes this site is amazing as you said - a new rom = a new phone everytime you flash
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] The Jack of Clubs:
congrats. dont forget to flash to the 1.14.25.35 radio. much improvement on the gps. http://rapidshare.com/files/240769139/Raphael_Radio_1.14.25.35.zip
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] turnman34:
Thanks. i will download and try it out...:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cmeyer3:
Welcome to the site/ family.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] qtipextra:
heck yea im runnin that on mine. GPS with TOMTOM is awesome!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] y0himba:
Has anyone found a completely working background for all tabs for Verizon HTC Imagio|Winmo 6.5|TF3D 2.0.38937.1? I have tried a few.

One shows T-Mobile as the carrier instead of Verizon and messes up the logo. One moves the Verizon logo from the top right to the top left on top of the Verizon Wireless operator text and doesn't handle landscape correctly, messing up any wallpaper applied, another messes with the clock...blah blah.

Please help?:confused:

Also, mods, if this is the incorrect forum can you please move it and inform me? I am rather ew and trying to learn these HUGE forums. Thanks.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] an0therus3r:
I was browsing the site searching for themes but it holds me back because of this:

* Updated for 2.9

* For Modaco 2.8

* MoDaCo 2.8 friendly

* MoDaCo 2.9 friendly

Does this mean i can't use this on stock ROM?

Do i really need that ROM to use the themes?

Does it brick my phone?

I understand loading a Magic theme in Hero doesn't work same as using MAC drivers for XP.

So i was wondering how strickt i must use those comments stated in theme topics?
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
I live in Taiwan, and despite HTC making the Leo here, it still seems impossible to buy one in English without going to either Hong Kong or Singapore, or having one shipped in (which carries a reasonably hefty import tax).

This is the most stupid situation i have ever come across!! Especially as there are HTC shops all over the place. Even they can't get me one in English! Nevertheless, that is what we have to deal with.

This has never been a problem in the past with my X1 for example, because i have always purchased a chinese model and re-flashed. As there is no hardSPl available yet for the leo, is it possible to re-flash or convert to English any other way? I am happy to have a retail ROM, but i don't want to shell out for a Chinese model, to find there is no way to convert it to English until hardSPL comes out.
[HD2 General] Phrak:
If you can get your hands on a demo in the shops, perhaps you can work out if you can change the language en WWE?

Else, wait until the HardSPL gets released and buy one cheaper then.
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
English HTC HD2 in Taiwan

Last week HTC and Taiwan Mobile announced that Taiwan Mobile would be selling the HD2 in Taiwan. In the past I have gone into Taiwan Mobile's Myfone shops and asked if they could procure an English version of several of HTC's PDA phones. They assured me it was possible. If you are a Taiwan Mobile subscriber you might check this out as you could get the HD2 at a subsidized price. Also I read once on the Forumosa website that one fellow called HTC's headquarters in Taoyuan and through persistence talked them into selling him an English version of the phone he wanted, and had it delivered to him by the next day! Hope this helps.
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
I checked a MyFone shop yesterday, and they didnt even realise it was out!! Though I may try calling HTC in Taoyuan and see what they can do! Hopefully HardSPL will be out soon, and i can just buy a chinese one and reflash.
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
Good luck with the headquarters in Taoyuan. Let us know how it goes. Also, next time you go to a Myfone shop, just print out the HTC Chinese press release (http://www.htc.com/tw/press.aspx?id=115674&lang=1028) and show it to them. Launch date with Taiwan Mobile is set for mid November, so that is still a few days to go.
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
No joy with HTC in Taoyuan. Spent a while on the phone and talked to a couple of people who both said (from what i understand - my chinese sucks!!) that microsoft only licences windows in chinese for taiwan, and therefore i would have to purchase one from a different country!!!

Sounds really stupid to me, but i guess i am left with either trying to import one (expensive) or i'll have to wait for HardSPL. Lets hope its not too long! I'm almost tempted to buy one in chinese and manage with it till HSPL is available. But if i do that i run the risk of it not coming out for months and months. Decisions decisions.......
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
Ya, it sounds really stupid. As far as I know the license fee for Windows Mobile is a charge per phone to use the OS on that phone. I wonder why several Myfone shops before told me they could get an HTC PDA phone in English. I have a feeling that the reason it is hard to get an English phone here is not really licensing, but the after service for an English phone! Years ago I inquired about importing an HTC phone, when it was still called Dopod, and the disadvantage to that is that it would have to be sent back to the country of purchase for servicing.

Well, now you have my interest piqued on this. I work part time with a PR company that handles Microsoft accounts, including Windows Mobile. On Monday I will make inquiries about the actual licensing situation. Nothing like going straight to the horse's mouth for an answer.

Last night I got an advertising email from HTC, and it very clearly showed the HTC HD2 as being carried by Taiwan Mobile. If you have any interest in that, I could arrange to forward that email to you. I think you could manage quite well using a Chinese phone until the XDA guys come up with the tools needed to flash into English. The disadvantage in that is of course you would have to flash back to Chinese if you had a need to use your warranty.
[HD2 General] aro:
I am in a similar situation, as I am a (more or less) English speaking person living and working in Japan.

In the past, I ordered my HTC devices from UK or NL and brought them over to Japan on business trips.

But then, if a hardware problem occurs (which seems to get standard for HTC launches, as I experienced on my TP, and now read in other threads about the LEO), I have to send it back for warranty to the place I bought it from, or pay HTC global repair in Taiwan an unbelieveable hight amount to repair it.

Not only does HTC global repair ask 30USD just for handling charge of pverseas purchased phones, but also du they make you to pay both way shipping, which is my case was 12USD from Japan to Taiwan by Japanese post, and then (you better sit down now) 109USD for Taiwan to Japan by DHL (which HTC chose, and I had no influnce on). This 109USD is only shipping, not import tax or such sort of things. The bill for that came two weeks later, which I of course refused to pay, as I already own the device, so it has no commercial value anymore.

Well, I am still undecided when and where to get my HD2.

I was thinking to order it from UK or NL again to coworkers in Germany, and then bring it over to Japan in December, but I am scared of getting the volume up button hardware problem and having to send it back to UK or NL for replacement, for which I have to wait until my next business trip to pick it up.

Why is HTC always making it so difficult for us. I mean we just want to spend our money on their products, should they make this easy for us!?
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
I had the same problem with my old HTC C500 when i first got here. I had a blad flash and bricked it, and when i went into the HTC shop here, they told me i had to send it back to HTC Europe, or Orange UK to get the thing fixed! Stupid Stupid policy!!!

On the flip side, i went into a shop on Bade Lu last week to ask about an english Leo, and they told me if i waited till wednesday next week they would be able to change it to english for me. Dont know if that means they know something about HardSPL coming out that people here dont, or whether they are talking rubbish but then i'm not hopefull. Like the MyFone shops also saying they can get them in english - that turned out to be complete bull when i was trying to get an X1.

Though on a side note, not ever having purchased a HTC phone as early as this, it is starting to worry me hearing some of the faults that seem to be developing and hearing that the first batches of HTC devices seem to be problematic in various ways. Should i wait for the later batches?
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
Probably the Bade Road people were telling you the truth, but I do not think they have any esoteric knowledge of HardSPL. I was given an old O2 branded Himalaya with the Chinese version of Windows Mobile 20003 on it. The original owner had it on contract with CHT. It was originally sold CID unlocked so I was able to flash it into Windows Mobile 6.1, then 6.5. I also know a fellow here who has a CHT HTC Touch that came with Windows Mobile 6.1. Neither CHT nor HTC issued an official update, but he was able to flash it to 6.5, and as far as I know, he did not use HardSPL. It is my understanding that many of the phones sold here come CID unlocked, and that is more than likely what you would get from the Bade Road people, especially if you are not buying it on contract with any of the cell phone carriers here.

Waiting for a later batch certainly would not hurt. Did you ask about the exchange policy of the store on Bade Road in the event that you got a defective model?
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
So basically you are saying that if it is CID unlocked you can flash with custom roms without hardSPL or more likely, i can flash with official HTC english rom without hardSPL or it saying "this phones IMEI is not registered for this upgrade....bla bla"

I'm probably gonna head down to the shop on wednesday after work when they said they could sell me an english one and see if i can actually get one first!! They said 1 hour to change, so if they can indeed do that, that that would be great. I didnt ask about returns, as i would like to be sure they can get me one in english first. If they said i had to return it to HTC instead of them, then i think that would probably be a deal breaker given previous experience.......
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
As far as my experience goes, with a CID unlocked phone, you should encounter no problems such as IMEI, etc., unless some new protection scheme has been inaugurated in the HD2. (If I am wrong here, I hope someone will correct me.) For returns, or repairs, of course the phone would have to be flashed back first to the original Chinese ROM, but that sure is better than sending it overseas to be repaired or replaced! HTC's local service is not really that bad.

Keep us updated on what you find. Since I am a Taiwan Mobile subscriber I am thinking of getting the phone through them. The cost going through TWN is 新台幣25,900元.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
WWE Rom

You would be after something like this?

RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_1.43.405.1_Radio_Signed_15.26.50.07U_2.04.50_22_2_Ship.exe
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
Freakin'awsome. If i can do that, i may head down tomorrow and see if i can get one!

I never understand these taiwan service providers charges for phones. 25k is what they cost to buy outright. They were like that with the x1. MyFone were asking more with a 12 month contract, than buying it outright from a store less than 30 feet away round the corner. Where's the insentive?
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
To save yourself from frustration, make sure that the phone you get is actually a CID unlocked version! I think the only incentives for buying with a carrier here is that the payments are spread over time and it usually comes with an unlimited data plan at minimal monthly costs, but is also requires a two year contract. (No problem for me, I have been with TWN since the late 1990's.)

I look forward to hearing if you do decide to buy, and how the flashing goes. Good luck!
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
HD2 in TW

Good luck.

Let me know if you have trouble locating the rom and I'll upload it somewhere.

I believe HTC are a bit annoyed about it being posted.
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
No dice.....cant even buy a chinese one yet! 1 guy says next week, another says next month. Bummer. How can europe get these things first, and taiwan: the place that designs and manufactures them doesnt get them till after. Go figure!
[HD2 General] rlydiard:
Actually there is a reason for that. HTC was at one time strictly an OEM supplier, and their major customers (such as 02) were in Europe. I suspect delivery first to Europe stems from this history. It was not until later they started to develop a brand name, and at first that name was Dopod (a name that was ridiculed in some western quarters). HTC later absorbed Dopod (that was not difficult as it was essentially a family affair). For sure you must have been noticing their efforts in the last couple of years to develop brand awareness in the NA market.

Now, what you will find is that in Taiwan marketing it is the designated distributors (in this case, Taiwan Mobile) who will get the first batches of phones on the local market. Time varies from one to two weeks all the way to a month before the shops can get their hands on the new models. Taiwan Mobile now is showing the HTC HD2 on their website.

It is just the way it is that things work in Taiwan. But, at least that time delay increases your chances of getting a phone that comes from a batch that does not have defects that have been surfacing.

Sorry if I bored you with all of the above. I used to work with the Taipei Computer Association and my job was pretty much reporting new Taiwan IT products to the world through a website (connected to Computex Taipei) and an email newsletter, so I carry around in my head a lot of rather trivial information on the history of Taiwan's IT industry.

When you do get the phone, let us know how the flashing goes. As I recall there are two types of flash programs, and one allows you to easily flash a phone to another language, the other results in not being able to flash due to language incompatibilities. If you search the XDA archives I think you can find the information on that if you run into that problem. I am too tired tonight to re-research that for you.
[HD2 General] btyeh:
Lets just hope its not like the launch of the Xperia X1 with the cracked cases for week 44 models.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Taiwan IT

I am sure your knowledge of the history of IT mfg in Taiwan is very interesting. I have a huge admiration for Taiwans It industry.

They have given the world high quality low cost technology that is truly astonishing. I have been building my own pc' for 13 years and thanks to TW IT, I, (we all) get amazing bangs for bucks. I am a huge fan of HTC for this reason.
[HD2 General] d3viou5:
I still haven't managed to get a HD2 here. Taiwan mobile will only sell me one on contract, and no one, including HTC seems to know when you will be able to get them through anyone else. Apparently according to HTC, Taiwan mobile have exclusive rights to the HD2 and they could not tell me when the HD2 will be available through other carriers, or independent retailers. Has anyone heard anything else? At this rate i may have to just go to Hong Kong and buy one!
[HD2 General] kwanying:
I will ask my friend where he got his + mine (non contract) in taipei. He got it since nov 16.
[HD2 General] wpy:
I got mine from pda king in nova chongli. It is in chinese traditional language. Not sure if flashing it with wwe is possible. still waiting for the hspl to change to english... :)