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[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] shey.py:
Hey guys,

I've been having the same problem, only that this are the situations in which I faced the issue with my X1i (and managed to replicate the freeze):

-Receiving SMS while charging (no pc conection)

-Charging while alarm goes off (again no pc)

-When task or appointment announcement sets itself to sleep (i.e: you ignore it) while charging. (go figure, no PC)

-When after ignoring (not hitting dismissed button) task or appointment screen shuts off (Running on battery)

I've also gotten the problem in other situations, but i couldn't replicate them. The only Thing I did notice was that there is a growth in the rate this happens over a span of 3 days after flashing/hard reseting. In my case, it was one increment per day (ie: 1st day, happened once; 2nd day, twice; 3times the 3rd day.. then, i reseted or replicated, so my statistics went down the pipe :p )

Other thoughs: what radio are you guys using? maybe we can narrow it down to a radio as well. Thus far I've seen it narrowed it down to Manila 2.5, but then others do not have this (and then there me, with Manila 2.1, that has it ). I changed my radio y-day and hasn't happened yet (xing fingers though...) wil try to replicate tomorrow after my alarm wakes me up :D

My info:

X1i Black (came with R3 generic UK ROM, Radio. 1.14...)

Issues happened with: Radio 1.10.25.18 (Installed with NRG's ROM vOCT 28)

ROM info: (see signature..)

Manila: v2.1.191...

Current radio: 1.14...

Carrier: AT&T US

I tried to contribute as much info I could get about this issue... hope we can get it solved.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darthmelk:
I'll try to flash again a WM6.5 version to see what radio will be installed. This week I needed my phone WORKING :) , so I used a 6.1 ROM.

I didn't find a pattern for my freezes, but I think it mostly happened while charging from the outlet, or in the morning before the alarm went off (very bad thing to happen), or after I snoozed the alarm (again, very bad).

I read somewhere that it's useful to format your SD card before flashing. I don't see how this could help, but I'll try to flash via USB or from another newly-formated SD card. I always flashed with kovsimg.nbh on the SD root and I only formatted it when I got the phone, 9 months ago...

Also, some say it's good to flash first an original ROM, hard reset, then install the custom ROM again. I tried that, even stock-SPL and hard-SPL again, but didn't seem to work. Maybe I had 48 hours without freeze, but then it started again. :(

@8SE8 - I never had those options checked, so we can rule that out I guess.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tictac0566:
I have been reading about this issue here and in another forum - mainly

because I had seen it only one single time. It actually occured when I was

loading the device during the night. I do not remember which ROM it was

exactly, except that it was an itje ROM with Manila 2.5.

Then, I went back to Manila 2.1 and WinMo 6.1, Touch_X 10.X.X. Must say,

that is still my fallback ROM, it feels extremely fast, it is stable, memory

usage is low - what else to wish?

Next, I went to the multilanguage Rhodium based Manila 2.1 and WinMo 6.5

from itje in my own language. After installing FM Tuner, a correct dialer and

some tweaks, it is also very fast and stable, memory usage at 50%. No more

soft resets since almost a week now, no "stand-by of death".

The difference to others is maybe: I do not flash using the SD card, always

with the USB connection. Is this provoking the difference? I cannot imagine,

but this is what I can contribute here.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caliban2:
*sigh* i should have never posted in this thread... :(

well, here i am, just had a SoD which happened sometime this evening. so it's not related to my wild guess "keyboard" and i'm back in the guessing game, goddamn it!!!

my setup at the moment, and this will contradict some of the latest suspisions:

- rom: Touch-IT BL LS Build 23518

- radio: 1.16

- sense active with imap (every hour), fb set to auto, weather auto

- no reminder or alarm was due

- home timeout disabled

- phone was not charging

- wifi connected

why i know it was a SoD? i checked the log of my wifi-router and the phone was logged in all the time. and one aspect of SoD is that the phone isn't "dead" completely, just running on extremely slow speed. (thus most apps/function won't work, but there's still happening something)

in the past i've had SoD's with manila 2.1 / 2.5 active and inactive, when charging the phone with screen on, with win-alarm and with g-alarm set or inactive.

the only system it never happened with was winmo 6.1.

darthmelk:

before i sent my phone for repairs in november, we were discussing if it could be related to the semi-official 6.5-xip. did anything come up in this direction? did itje or another cook make a rest-rom with the old, hacked xip?

i'm actually close to selling this thing, because i don't want to go back to winmo 6.1, but can't trust it this way neither... :(
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vidvandre:
Used both Jerpelea's X2 for X1 and Christian's Rom without any issues. Jerpelea's X2 for X1 has thread id #587113, Christian's Rom id #542664. Haven't had the time to re-flash/setup my phone, so I haven't used the latest versions of either ROM.

I cannot create links or post the URLs, being blocked by the forum software with a message about new users accounts needing to be verified. Anyone know (and care to tell me) how I can upgrade this status...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gunner22:
Please do me a favour and try the Untamed rom as Darthmelk and myself have had issues with most other roms until this one.

If you put it on with no extras (galarm etc) for at least a week and have an issue with it then I won't keep going on about how stable this rom is for all sufferers of SOD.

The 1.1.2 version is the one I have on my phone and I'm reluctant to use the latest 1.3 version as this version aint broken.

Let me and the rest of us know how you go before you consider selling the thing.

Cheers,

Gunner22
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kayserj:
HI Darthmelk,

Sorry to say you all that With Untamed 1.3 SOD is also present......... I instade before untamed 1.3 Valkyrie 23517 and the amount of SOD's was horrible. I went to untamed 1.3 willing to get this issue off and it is the same. Certainly the number of SODs as decreaded but they are these..... I tried last night another trick and I'm waiting to post my experience. I made a format of my SD card and cleaned up all the unussed files from it.....untill now no SOD....I'll post again later to see the result of this...

Thanks
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deepthroat:
Well before this thread going nowhere rather than suggestion using this rom or that rom, none had talked about the build number. Each branch has its own problem and success story, so before your flash, spend a little time to know history of build number. Here a little description about it. From here, we will know some chef approached the well-known build number to get speed and stability, almost perfectly usable for everyday use.

Close to our device, X2 and LG Expo are known to have official wm6.5 cooked in recently. Almost to certainty, cooking custom rom based on this ported official rom build number will be stable.

But different chefs (a lot) are happy to keep experimenting and stay updated with the latest build. I'm on this category :D. Hunger of bugs and problems, that's the true meaning of development, isnt it? Read over this thread if you want to know what chef's discussion on latest build.

And after that, what UI are we going to cook in? sense2.1 will definitely more stable than sense2.5. Life off-course is much out of trouble if only titanium cooked in. But if you persist with sense2.5, disable people tab, music tab, weather tab and avoid automatic data connection.

Lastly, follow the strict flashing procedure ritual, flash stock rom, custom rom then hard reset. It is also important to know what radio is used by chef for his rom, since we might have different one.

My two cents ...:)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caliban2:
build-number:

SoD's also occured with the official 6.5-build from TP2 and with such roms from different cooks - but only on the X1! I haven't seen any threads about this in other device-forums.

manila-version:

i agree that automatic data-traffic puts a "strain" on sense 2.5, but it only seems to increase the amount of SoD, disabling everything doesn't prevent it completely. it also happens with 2.1

flashing-procedure & radio:

i'm pretty sure that most users expiriencing this know how to flash by now (usb/micro-sd, hard-reset). also users like darthmelk and myself (before november) tried a lot of combinations regarding setup (manila on/off, no setup at all after flash etc etc) - nothing helped. and which custom-rom comes with a radio cooked in? haven't seen one yet, but experienced SoD's with 1.11 (?), 1.14 and 1.16.

sorry... :(

the best source for an official winmo 6.5-build is the touch pro 2, which doesn't have SoD's. i've said it many times before and still haven't read something better: the only thing that differs apart from basic-firmware on our phone is the xip. before the one version from sony was leaked, noone had this bug.

but no cook seems to be interested to make a test-rom with the previous, hacked xip.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darthmelk:
That sounds bad. :( That's exactly what I did the last time: flash R3A, hard reset, Soft SPL, hard reset, Hard SPL, then Untamed + hard reset (it's best to find 1.1.2, maybe PM one of the chefs). I don't know if that made any difference, I flashed three versions of Untamed until now and didn't have the SoD. But using the same "technique" before with itje's ROMs didn't do anything.:confused:
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deepthroat:
@darthmelk is it possible problem related to SD-card? i mean possibly formatting is not enough, may it be replaced with other brand? remember that flash through SD-card works with certain brand but always failed with other no matter we have formatted it correctly?

@caliban2 polaris had SoD problem on certain build in the past but i forgot which one, i agree that the SoD on other device is not as bad as X1. I rarely experienced SoD on X1 but my guess is possibly because i prefer to use titanium for daily use, mainly when it comes to charging.

Could not comment for more, still find a way to cook myself but hopefully any chef will come with explanation as to xip hack you mentioned.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darthmelk:
@caliban2 - I don't think Itje ever made a ROM with the old XIP. I waited for a while for him to act, then switched to MrRusch/WildChild that worked fine from the first version and now I'm afraid to try another ROM - maybe SoD comes back somehow. :) I guess I'll keep this one until I change my phone.

@deepthroat - I read about this somewhere and I flashed some Itje ROM a while ago without the card inserted in the phone, using USB. Then I tested the phone for a while without the card and with no app installed and the SoD came the second day. So it wasn't the card for me. I flashed Untamed from the SD-card.

P.S. I flashed the same Untamed 1.1.2 ROM to my father's X1 (bought one year ago, the same time as mine), and he is using Mobile Shell 3.5 with Sense disabled. After one month, no problems. But I never tried any other "risky" ROM on his phone, so I don't know...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] AbdullaBHR:
For me, its the WM 6.5 that triggers this.

I've tried the old 6.1 stock rom for a week and didnt have ANY problems whatsoever.

Once i switched back (Energy-ROM), i started having another problem. When receiving a call or message, it started vibrating then froze. The only way to stop it was to reset. :(

off the records ... This is KARMA !!! :eek:

its getting even with all of us that used any leaked software we found. :D

we are bad people :cool:
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deepthroat:
what did you do man so you get your Karma? :D Life can never be more perfect than these days ...

by the way, when people said "number of SoD became horrible", i just dont catch it, what is SoD? i think it relates to the symptom that device won't wake up during charging? cause i had only experienced this. A lag during device use is normal, sometimes require seconds to wait but never came into "death". Under music tab for example, need sometime to browse the media library in our device, if under this process you press the power switch, it sleeps and may seem doesnt respond when we switch back on. It is not death, it will wake up in seconds.

I guess SoD is not as bad as such people want to sell it. X1 is still a great device.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yinduyun:
SoD is in fact a standby freeze in which the device won't react to ANYTHING short of removing the battery or a soft-reset. Power button, Hardware Keys, Slider, incoming call - the phone does not react. It is, however, still logged into its cellphone network (incoming call doesn't get redirected to mailbox immediately).

That said, I experience them after charging my phone on the outlet charger, but not after charging it using my computer.

Current ROM is Energy 2.5 LEO.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Oobly:
My experience was this is only with WM6.5, too. Haven't seen it with ANY of the 6.1 ROMs I have tried. That's one of the reasons I am sticking with 6.1. And of course I love the speed. ;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howshall:
Summary of Standby of Death (SoD) Description

Just to backup yinduyun's description of Standby of Death (SoD)

Standby of Death is not any sort of lockup while you're using the device, it is where you device will not return from a normal state of Standby when you press the power button, or any other button for that matter, (no matter how long you wait i.e. 5mins+) but the phone still seems to be active as the network will try to route calls to it if you ring the mobile number, so the calling person will hear ringing for a while before eventually being sent to voicemail.

The problem is that the phone itself doesn't wake up, ring, vibrate, show lights or anything while in this state, and you are not aware of your phone being 'dead' until you happen to try and power it on yourself, so in the meantime will miss all calls, sms, email, reminders and alarms!

The other major annoyance with SoD is that the only way to get the phone working again is to physically pry off the rear cover and either reset the device via the stylus hole, or remove and re-insert the battery and then power on. Either way is a lot more hasstle than if you were able to Soft Reset via software or use extended press on the power button to force a shutdown and then restart.

The rate and number of SoD's that people are experiencing with their X1's seems to vary widely:

- From those that only get it when their phone is in standby on a mains charger (not PC USB) for any extended period (as is typically overnight) - Which is annoying as you can't rely on your X1 for alarms, reminders or anything else overnight.

- To those who randomly get SoD's night or day with no particular pattern

- To those that get seem to get this almost every time they put or let their device go into standby! (Up to 14x a day has been reported by some)

Doubly frustrating is the difficulty it seems to be to isolate this to 1 cause...

- HTC Sense / Manila 2.5 being used as Home UI on WM 6.5 is definately a prime trigger, although Manila 2.1 has also had some isolated reports

- Changing Radio ROM versions (normally to 1.16) has helped many but not all

- Charging the device from mains power seems a prime cause, likely due to the long time on standby - charging via USB the computer keeps polling the device seeming to avoid SoD problem for many

- Other unconfirmed 'Suspects' have been

-- Anything that causes automated data requests (i.e. Weather, Email, Facebook, Twitter, etc)

-- Any event triggers that trie to wake the phone (i.e. incoming calls, SMS, reminders, alarms)

-- Reaching 100% charged battery

-- Slightly corrupt format or just present MicroSD memory cards (Either while phone is being used, or just during initial 1st boot)

For a full story feel free to read my SoD experiences/testing with Valkyrie x1_firestorm_v5.4.23517LEO an otherwise good stable WM default ROM, but has SoD's once Manila is enabled.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darthmelk:
Two things:

When I had the problem I tried four different Sense 2.1 ROMs and they all had SoD. So I wouldn't say Sense 2.5 is the most probable issue. Maybe nowadays most people try Sense 2.5 and that's why we get more reports about that, but in my case Sense 2.1 or even ROMs without HTC had the same behavior. I still say it's WP6.5, not HTC software.

I had lots of SoDs while charging, but at least the same amount of SoDs while just in standby, doing absolutely nothing. Regarding morning alarms, very often the phone rang, then I pressed Snooze and the second alarm never came.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yinduyun:
I've been considering installing this here ROM -> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=584968

It's a WiMo 6.1 with Manila 2.5. Does anyone else have experience with this ROM, regarding stability and especially SOD?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deepthroat:
No no man, it is gotta be wm6.5! call me stubborn but i just dont want to go back. I've been in wm6.5 since the early stage of its leak, been playing lite, medium and full, well done, half done, on multiple devices, and confident enough to say that SoD never been famous only recently! and on X1 sadly ....

Having said that, i'm still happy cause SoD was not that much; but possibly cause of;

- follow chef's recommendation on radio selection first, then experiment wit others

- manila is eye-candy so i just use it to show to my friend when they show me their blackberry or nokia or iphone, but daily use, titanium is my friend

- when using manila, disable music tab and other tab that regularly connecting to internet or update music or photo library to SDcard, keep the SDcard multimedia library as minimum. The same approach applicable with leo sms client

Last thing, too many skin or themes or apps to play with and mostly not compatible with wm6.1 ...how can i close my eyes with those stuffs out there?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] drexxie:
SoD's and freezes gone?

Since a couple of days i am using Windows Mobile 6.5 build 21889 Pure Rhodium with Manila 2.1 enabled from: http://wcxxperia-nce.com/. Customized with MykCer Sense 2.1 Chrome Flip Clock en gtrab's SEX1 Battery Enhancer.

No SoD with nightly charge by charger or freezes by daily use. I have used a lot of 6.5 roms, but they always give me SoD or freezes from time to time. From all kind of different cookers and with different radios.

The following software is also installed:

NOS Mobiel

Uitzending Gemist

FB FBTV

Opera Mobile 10 beta 2

TomTom Navigator 7.915.9196

Total Commander 2.51

RARLAB Pocket RAR 3.71

Soft Reset

Also i am connected with five mailboxes and the weather is automatically updating. So I get regurly connecting to internet.

When I get a SoD or freeze, i will report here. For the first time, i'm happy with a stable and fast Windows Mobile 6.5 :p.

REPORT: monday 25th 11:00am SoD. I push the on/off button and after a minute the screen comes up. The screen di not give a reactie, so i had to reset it.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xperian:
No SoD in three days

@Howsall: You seem to be right!

No SoD in three days (edit: 1 month!) Wohoo!

...I finally turned Manila off. So my full setup now is:

- Valkyrie Firestorm LEO 23517 ROM (WM 6.5 Build 23517, see signature for link)

- Radio 1.14.25.55v

- riphone.dll 1.14.25.55v (though I didn't test 1.16 without Manila)

- Using Titanium interface (no Manila).

Other stuff that might be useful:

- Disabled Home Timeout

- Disabled HTC Location service

- Disabled TitaniumWeather

- Backlight settings: On AC Power: Turn off device if not used: "30mins"

- Clock & Alarms: "Sound alarms even when device is silent/vibrate"

- Klaxon for alarms (cooked in ROM): Disable TouchFlo integration.

- Emails: Only download from last three days (speeds up syncs)

- SMS Client: HTC LEO SMS Client 2.02

[edit]: updated 3 days to 1 month!
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] deepthroat:
I'm glad you finally see the light ...:)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howshall:
More evidence Titanium Valkyrie 5.4.23517 is SoD free

@xperian - Excellent! Great to hear it's looking like you too are SoD free on valkyrie v5.4.23517 (Direct FTP link) as long as you run with Titanium 'WM Default' rather than Manila 'HTC Sense' Home UI :)

(For others: ROM comes pre-configured this way but settings are within Start > Settings > Home > Items)

Helps confirms what deepthroat and myself have been saying about valkyrie v5.4.23517 being a very good SoD free WM6.5.3 (Start button at the bottom) base WM ROM if you don't enable Manila.

Personally I do really like Manila so I'm going to be doing a final update to my 23517 SoD testing post and now going to be switching around ROMs based on what others have suggested on this thread to try and find me the holy grail of a WM6.5 ROM with some version of Manila (likely 2.1). I'll of course post back on this thread with my experiences.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] caliban2:
/fullack on these definitions of "standby of death". :)

i know it's a bit too early to say, but MrRusch/Wildfire's "Untamed 1.3" is running SoD-free for two days and nights now. *knocks on wood* (didn't find a link for 1.1.2).

it's a great rom and apparently bug-free. only thing i'm missing are the buttons at the bottom, but... ^^

i did a "full" install of all my apps and i'm using every automatic data-feature manila 2.1 offers. i didn't hold back on my reg-customizations neither. no "special" treatment like disabling sense and charging both via wall-charger or usb, wifi is active all the time.

long story short: i'm using my phone as if there never was a problem called "SoD".

i guess this at least confirms that sense 2.5 isn't the problem itself, but really increases the amount of SoD's. (well, no big discovery there)

by the by: does anybody know a build of opera mobile 9.7 that's working with the hw-keyboard? tried a few versions from this thread but no luck so far...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Howshall:
Planning to try Oobly's WM6.1 with Manila 2.5

Oobly's ROM looks a good choice to me for those wanting Manila 2.5 without (likely, not yet confirmed) SoDs, especially as the ROM Chef Oobly himself confirmed a couple of posts previous that he's only personally seen SoD's on WM6.5 hence one of the reasons he cooks with WM6.1

I'm personally going to flash across for testing, so if you want to test this ROM as well that'll be two people's opinions, I'm going to use Medium 2.3 with Rhodium dialer plus the known issue fix WeatherAnimationFix.cab

Obviously I'll miss the better finger friendliness of WM6.5 and I do prefer the WM6.5 Start screen rather than WM6.1 Start dropdown, but the key one for me will be if this WM6.1 build allows me ActiveSync to two computers at once, which was acknowledged by MS as broken at least in early WM6.1 builds.