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[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
In the mean time the people that *have* described the problems are patently ignored, because you guys are too busy trashing this thread playing a game of "who has the biggest d!ck."
[G1 General] njuncos:
Hey Mister

alec.baldwin, i don't know why you insist on saying i am high on something or i am bipolar. you are the biggest douchebag ever to make a thread on XDA. It doesn't matter wtf you say, people are not going to listen to some random douche saying that Dwang is the fastest and most stable ROM. Look at the facts man! I told you to try 4.2.5, but since you don't seem to know how to flash a ROM, you insist that it is far behind Cyanogen in terms of not only speed, but stability as well???!!?!?!?!??!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!

That is the most outlandinsh thing anyone has ever said ever!!!! LOL

Did I ever try Dwang? Yes, and as i said, it is fast, but not as fast as Cyanogen. Stable? I really don't know because I really do prefer Cyanogen as he is the more talented Dev in terms of innovation and kernel mods/improvements. It may be fairly stable, but Cyanogen's latest just won't screw up for me. Again, just my OPINIONS, which I have to say, IMO, are far more on par than yours....LOL

If you can't read this post and smile, then you are not having enough fun on XDA... ;)

BTW, mine is bigger! hehe
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
Obviously, if you would quit being so dam obnoxious and read back through my posts in this thread, you would know what my problems were with cyan's roms. I see no need to repeat my self because you can't read. That's exactly what I am talking about.
[G1 General] Ace42:
Classic :D

Couldnt agree more
[G1 General] B-man007:
the problem you posted isnt related to cyans rom. you obviously didnt bother to read anymore than i did. read post 87 of the link you provided

dont you have a dozen roms to be released? better get crackin
[G1 General] Ace42:
you know it!:D Gotta catch that early bird special.
[G1 General] oneG:
Here is another thank you

First off im glad someone had the balls to start something like this without fear of getting flamed to ****s along with the same old mediocre response of "dude just try each rom yourself and see what you like" Im very tired of reading that.

I could be misinformed but i remember reading somewhere that with each flash we are burning our Nand drive similar to the way Linux-Swap kills our SD cards over time and i actually happen to be VERY fond of my G1 and would hate for it to become an expensive desk ornament before i can send it in for a replacement :D.

Honestly, we do need a comprehensive comparison of each and every rom with standard benchmarks to separate the best from the rest without having to test for ourselves and bring our devices closer and closer to paperweight status. Granted that this may not happen for quite a very long time, however that would be dependant on your flashing addiction and your dealer's....err... developers constant re-upping of your new fix.

I salute Cyanogen for his contributions to the community of android users but like stated before that once the Google C&D drama began, his roms havent been the same ever since. Thats why i still have his 4.0.4 since the day of its release which is very stable and very fast compared to his 4.1.11.1 and following.

And he was right in his fear that the new 2-part flashing method would deterr a number of followers. For me it started with 4.1.11.1's instability. (yeah i know it was experimental) I hoped 4.2 would be the best thing to grace my G1 until the "Dont Be Evil" Company rained on our parade causing distressed followers to believe that the very existence of our beloved CyanogenMod was being threatend. Hate began to set in towards the Search Giant and i didnt even want its apps in my phone if they were gonna act like *****es about it. Then finding out that i had to do a separate flash with Google's proprietary bits was the nail in the coffin for me. Cyanogen should rename his rom to "Keeping you Legal with Less Problems for me and One more for you"

Now ive tried other roms such as xROM and the various Heros even a Motoblur or two but as far as Donut goes, CM4.1.11.1 is as close as i have been to 1.6 outside of the official TMO OTA.

Once again Im glad something like this was initiated because i do want to take advantage of Donut features without the extra hassle. It would be nice if there was a serious thread for Hero like this one with actual real discussion. My girl calls me day after day telling me about the problems (loading times, and lag) she is having with the Hero I flashed to her G1. But with the info provided here im gonna upgrade hers and mine to Dwangs 1.6 for stability/speed so i dont have to hear the daily complaints.

As for this thread's drama with the back and foward d*ckslapping tag, you guys should cool it and let it go. The comments are getting more and more ridiculous with every rebuttle that follows

Happy Flashing
[G1 General] B-man007:
Just wanted to point out that NAND flash is much more durable than standard SDcards.

Even so, for most of its life span, it is reading over writing, which is not harmful to the NAND chip.

This means that the NAND chip will easily take whatever you throw at it.
[G1 General] oneG:
And now i know. And knowing is half the battle.
[G1 General] :
B-man007

Quite frankly I doubt it that you work in Software Engineering. Someone who believes that all contact/calendar data is fully cloud hosted on the G1 has lost all credibility. Also your claim that speed and stability go hand in hand.. shows that your idea of software design is probably patching together a few counterstrike maps for your buddies... I'll ask you to just leave this thread. I started it and I feel you do not contribute to the discussions.

Njuncos

Same with you, you are not logical... when people find your contradictions in your post you claim it is humor and jokes. Quite frankly we all do not share the same humor you do, so please go and find another forum or thread where people try to understand you, we simply do not have the time in this thread. And if the last measure is reverting to the size of your ... nose... well I'll let that speak for itself...

This is about speed and stability of the Roms but in a wider sense also of the people contributing to this thread. I feel Njuncos and B-Man keep repeating themselves (no speed) and contradicting themselves (no stability) and the same way we don't have any use for Rom's that are that way the same is true for contributors.

So those 2 gentlemen, Njuncos and B-man007, please find another thread, or create your own where you can keep rambling on and keep flaming each other.... Thanks you!
[G1 General] neonstorm:
Just wasted about 15 minutes of my life to read a b!$%^-fest by Alec and the Dwangies. (not directed at dwang)

alec, if you're so interested in a true comparison of ROMs - how about quit griping about CM and actually compile and showcase some other ROMs? And I hardly think that your "hardcore" :rolleyes: usage represents 95% of G1 users.

You guys are seriously getting too worked up about it. This whole thread is ridiculous. And before you have a chance...

I'll see myself out. :rolleyes: You're welcomes. :sic:
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
Which one of my issues are you talking about? I have posted a few, but you probably didn't read back that far. You do seem a bit short-sighted. I guess you mean the phone freezing when receiving calls. I have the issue starred, so I do get all of the emails. However, its funny that the problem was mysteriously cured when I switch to Dwang, which would be pretty odd if it wasn't related to cyan's Rom....
[G1 General] fenixnr:
I used dwang's rom for a week while on vacation and I can say I'll stick with CM's rom. Dwangs killed my games applications. I use my G1 for work, play, and as a paper weight so I can say that for me CM's was more stable and faster than dwangs was.
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
Nah, more than a few times I had wiped everything, formatted the sd card, etc etc etc, and the problems still existed until I switched ROM's,. The other Force Closes and general slowness were too widespread to narrow down. Dang near everything was slow and force closed on a routine basis. The menus all ran much slower than on Dwangs. You would press home then count to 5 or 10 before Home would open (With and without home saved to memory) the app drawer was slow to open and slow to load icons...no matter what setting I had in usb tethering, usb debugging, or mounting the sd card, I couldn't connect the phone to the computer at all after he released that USB tethering crap. It was slow and unstable in general. Some of the older versions of cyan were faster and more stable, but nothing compares to my phone now with Dwang...

Basically, I was getting very disappointed with the G1 until I found Dwang's ROMs, which make the phone work like I had expected in the first place! And it still seems they are having issues with issue 647.

Also, Cyan used to have a stable and and experimental version. It seems like all of his stable releases are more experimental than anything since they are released as stable without prior testing like in the old experimental thread..
[G1 General] B-man007:
Ah ok, well with Cyan, I admit that your mileage will vary. I used to have those problems, bu they were only on certain roms and disappeared overtime. A lot of his features are indeed experimental even in his stable releases, but if you think about it, most roms are experimental. His experimental branch usually has more radical changes while his stable branch is just a few upgrades which may break some features. A lot of his feature added are community patches which probably wouldnt see the light of day without his help.

Btw do you use compcache/swap? that may play a role. I've found it runs better plain stock than with either cc/swap, but like i said, YMMV
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
yeah... I tried compcache and swap.. but i settled on running the rom as stock as possible, without any of that and without themes or widgets because of the speed and stability issues. I am running dwangs themeless, to minimize headaches with getting themes to work and I don't want a theme to mess it up! But I do have about 5 widgets running with no slowdown on dwang..
[G1 General] Eclipse9069:
No ram hack (i like my games when i have alot of down time), completely stock compache settings (i do have a 128mb linux-swap when I was on hero, never took it off but Cyanogen 4.2.5 is not using the swap space,) 5 homescreens with advanced launcher, 9 widgets and the rest of the space is used up by icons. 2.0 stock theme, and guess what, this rom is flyingggg.

You must have done something wrong, either didn't wipe what you had to, or used the one install "solution."

To each their own, but I don't understand where you trolls are all getting these "problems" with Cyanogen.
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
No, I followed instructions to a T, and if it didn't work right, I completely wiped everything including EXT started over, and over, and over. and, no, i didn't use any cyan other than the one he put out...so don't go accusing on that either..

I was not the only one with a problem. Just read the comments on the cyan thread and then read the comments on the dwang thread and you will see what I mean. It would be easier to read if all of the noobs would quit posting bs about Nav on them!

Really......why would you call me a troll for giving out my opinion? It's not like I am making up problems. There is no reason to be rude. Seriously...

Have you tried Dwang so that you can see the difference? I thought some versions of cyan were "flying", but they were like a Cessna 172 compared to Dwang's Learjet...

Both of dwang and cyan said it themselves, even in this thread....dwang is a great everyday ROM that is smoking fast and stable and apparently not so good at 3D games (whatever those are) Cyan is on the cutting edge breaking out the newest advances for our phones. 2 different animals they are. No need to be so definsive and berate folks who are posting their honest experiences. My experiences point me to Dwang because I must use my phone on a daily basis, and I expect it to work quickly and correctly 99.9% of the time, so far, dwang has been 100%.
[G1 General] Eclipse9069:
Can you please point me to Cyan's post where he said that? The only posts I read from Cyan is "Why do you insist on flaming me and dissing me in every thread Alec."
[G1 General] pjcforpres:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4939253&postcount=49

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4928279&postcount=42

Seems Cyan is saying he see's Dwang's as focused on speed and his own focused on cutting edge stuff... Dwang himself says his ROM isn't meant for 3D games, and somewhere else (Not digging too much for this) repeats Cyan sentiment about Cyan being cutting edge, and Cyan being one of the key developers, and then saying that his(dwang) ROM is meant for speed in what he uses it for, which is business applications.

Seriously, the biggest problem with this thread isn't the general idea behind it, but the fact that it is an open invitation to a flame fest. From what I can tell, a bunch of Cyan fan's decided they were going to make personal attacks on the dwang fans, and this has snowballed.

So how does this sound... stop it! I doubt any of us are elementary school children, so how about we act like it? Respect one another's opinions. If you don't like alec's opinion or the route he took with this, start your own thread using your own standards.
[G1 General] Eclipse9069:
Thanks for the links. See, I'm not trying to be a stubborn person by any means, in fact, I admit I got off on the wrong foot. It's just when I saw alec disrespecting one of the most respected devs in the android community is what really set the flame for me.

To each their own, just saying try all the roms you can and see which one works best for you. It's not like we don't have simple backup utilities or rom switching utilities available.
[G1 General] david1171:
sorry didn't feel like reading 100 or so idiotic posts to see if anyone has caught the humor here. :rolleyes:
[G1 General] :
Let me tell you a thing about respect. I don't own jack to anybody. I have an opinion and I voice it. And just because someone has done a lot of development for the community does not give them to say anything or claim anything.

They can be Mother Theresa if I find that they are wrong.. f.e. that their rom is not stable or not fast despite other claims, I will say so. Or if they claim that this thread is the most pointless thread, and in the same phrase concede that f.e. Dwang is about speed and stability... kind of agreeing with the thread.. and say that their focus is different.. that's a straight contradiction in one sense...

When looking at many dev roms all I see is cumulative love fest and joint wan&ing. Dev. writes, super fast, extreme, cutting edge, ultra this and that, and hack here and hack that... when all it really does in most rom is making it unstable and slow. The result is that there is no guided direction as to where rom development should go... so something usable comes out of it... something that actually is better than the stock stuff. I consider Dwang's better then the stock. Most other rom's out there simply are not.

This thread is valuable as it allows people to quickly see which rom's they should try (if they are more newbie and less willing to live with constant force closes).

Amen
[G1 General] B-man007:
lolllllllllllll

If you want to put someone down... do it with proper grammar

There is a guided direction...the ROM development does not revolve around you. These are custom ROM's. If you want stability + speed....stick with stock ROM's

You haven't given ANYONE another choice on what ROM to flash. You've stuck with Dwang and thats it. Why should anyone trust you over the dev? Why does your claim of speed and stability have more validity then the dev's that have contributed? Being a simple user does not cut it.
[G1 General] sykopompos:
The speedist rom is the one that you ain't *****ing about. If you want stable then go back to stock cause every rom here is expermential, if you want speed, than set up your phone right with a good swap setup and no apps
[G1 General] sykopompos:
The fastest superhero is the flash, he runs circles around superman and he can vibrate his molecules to go through stuff

Beat that rosie
[G1 General] oneG:
Im sorry Mr.Baldwin but Dwang may have the speediest rom as you put it but it is in no way stable whatsoever. I'd hate to bust out a list of things wrong with it but that would take up the precious time i could spend reflashing back to Cyanogen's. But i will point out the major flaws i have experienced.

Calls:

When listening to music or browsing the web a call comes in and i answer it. But no incoming audio can be heard. Period. Rebooting is the only solution.

Random reboots:

Self explanatory

Tethering:

Wifi tether takes too long to sync with my laptop. In some cases wont function at all. Never had this problem with CM.

There are many more issues such as FCs in idle situatins that i must address but am pressed for time ATM and need to revert back to CM4.0.4: THE MOST FASTEST and STABLE ive experienced thus far. Donut isnt all that great to me honestly. So im willing to sacrafice the few features it offers for true stability. Will report abck later.
[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
I am back on Cyanogen after about 2 weeks using Dwang 1.13. I have to say that mostly, the Dwang rom is top notch. However the last few days were filled with random reboots. Cyanogen 4.2.6 came out so I am trying that one out now. I can already say that 4.2.6 is quite a bit more stable than 4.2.5. 4.2.5 was a FC nightmare on the first boot (and yes, I wiped, fixed permissions, formatted the entire SD card, etc.) Even Cyanogen himself says 4.2.5 had stability issues (read the 4.2.6 release notes.) I am crossing my fingers hoping that 4.2.6 answers my stability prayers.
[G1 General] oneG:
Ok either this is a dead thread or alec.baldwin finally came to his senses and/or found out that Dwang's isnt all as stable as he vehemently defended.

Im not taking sides or joining in on the flamefest but since i flashed CM4.2.6 it has shown to be just as snappy if not snappier and i havent had a FC yet unlike Dwang's which didnt take but 3 hours in.

Even with all the added features that Dwang's is lacking, CM4.2.6 seems to be a formidable beast in the arena of speed/performance. Ive even added Advanced Launcher and a few home replacements and still havent notice any lag.

But personal experiences aside we need numbers, statistics, benchmark or logcat readings, a fugging chart. REAL COMPARISONS...but that will only get shot down by flaming ridicule im sure.
[G1 General] :
nah.. just busy working and using the phone.. I don't see your problems... look read the thread read people's opinion of this one and the Dwang thread. And if that is not enough, check out other rom's (including CM4.2.6) and read how often they state (reverted kernel changes... to make it more stable).

oneG - since you got both phones, to keep it fair you should flash both at the same time. YOu can't compare one 2 months later with a freshly flashed cyanogen (those always work great for a couple hours). And Force Closes.. I simply don't have them... and neither have most people with Dwang (probably your class 4 card or old recovery on that second phone). Compare same with same.

Cyanogen was UNSTABLE AND IT SUCKED.. that was version 4.2.5, and people like you kept telling no its stable and fast for weeks... and then suddenly 4.2.6 comes out and the master himself writes it in his change log.. (reverted kernel... bla bla.. made it unstable), and if you look at other rom's how often do they write "revert" it just proofs my point I have been trying to make.

Now is 4.2.6 the final savior..that gives fast and stable and features.. well I'll give it 2 weeks to see what others say and gladly give it a shot again. But in terms of stability and speed Dwang is hard to beat - and the proof is in the changelogs.
[G1 General] plasmadragon007:
all I know is I am enjoying cyanogen's 4.2.6, and with the 4.2.6 ram hack that you can put on his rom, it make's it super fast you should all try it if you haven't.
[G1 General] Riel:
Well,

proper development speed, good updates, open development and a very good rom (no issues at all), I stay with cyanogen.

I just don't want to try dwang coz of this freakshow here :) (sorry dwang :p))
[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
I can say after using dwang 1.13 after a couple of weeks, I do miss the speediness already. I will probably use Cyanogen 4.2.6 until a new dwang rom comes out. Failing that, I will probably try some of the speed hacks mentioned above. I assume that whatever the kernel tweaks were in 4.2.5 definitely made it faster, but it was crazy unstable for me.
[G1 General] bleulady82:
Beautiful

I havn't had time lately to check on the new ROM's that are available, and i have to say, this is ROM amazing! I also installed the black theme, and it is so cool!!! Love it! Thanks for giving this ROM the credit its due!
[G1 General] :
bump up this thread.... to spread the news...
[G1 General] Mr Bill Florida:
I am still running this ROM since the day 1.13 was released with Lucky's 1.7 Theme and I have not had an issue with any FC's or programs. I use MyBackUp Pro 2.2.0 daily to backup my contacts and sms. I have never had an issue running it on this ROM but to this day, MyBackup Pro will not run the scheduler properly using any of the CM ROM's. I even talked directly to the developer and even he said with the configuration of CM that it would never run on it. This ROM might be basic, but it is very dependable and fast.

Dwang, Keep up the great work.
[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
10 days, that is the longest I could stomach a "post Google C/D" Cyanogen build so far. I have to say that these CM builds really tempt me into throwing my phone against a wall. 4.2.7.1, like other CM builds, start off fairly quick and responsive, and gradually get more choppy and slow as time goes on. I have a very bare bones app list that I use, so the gradual slowdown is not due to too many running apps. (Every ROM I try loads the same app list, and is used in exactly the same manner.) I have to say that of all the post C/D Cyanogen builds I have tried, this one 4.2.7.1 is by far the most stable.

Anyway, moving on, I am trying WG-Build now. So far it is Dwang 1.13 hands down for both speed and stability. Keep in mind that I don't see any "perfect" ROMS yet, but Dwang 1.13 has been the closest so far.
[G1 General] RFE:
I have been through all the latest roms posted here since the beginning of October, and I have also noticed that the dwang donut was by far the most stable. I had issues with processes hanging on all other releases and also bad lag on menus. This is with a class 6 SD card and the SPL recommended in the dwang thread. I can recommend anyone with unstable systems to try it out...
[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
Reboot, Reboot, Reboot, Reboot

OK, so WG-Build 8.3r2 is even flakier than CM 4.2.7.1. I am switching back to Dwang 1.13 for the time being.

Edit: Ah what luck. Dwang 1.14 is out, installed, and good to go. 4 Different ROMs in one day. Nice.
[G1 General] nahanee20:
does this rom fix the issue where you use a differnent headset adapter? on the stock rom only the deafalt headset adapter will work, Cynanogen has the issue fixed but the new roms seem to be going downhill.
[G1 General] siwei:
I really appreciate dwang's work and also alec's idea.

I believe the majority user want a stable and fast phone with some feature they really need.

Thanks.