yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thefixer:
Yes -sorry I didn't make that clear. Phone was working ok (including activesync) - it's just that it was trying to take too much current from the USB port.

This has only happened once (fingers crossed!). I'm sure it's software (rather than a hardware fault), but I'm puzzled given that the task manager showed minimal CPU usage, and the power drain continued in airplane mode

-Steve
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tekdemon:
Your reception is probably bad. The TP2 will basically go insane if the reception is bad enough, I've seen it drain a fully charged battery in under 3 hours if you have push data turned on and there's 0-1 bars of reception. The battery life is quite good when reception is at least a few bars but once it goes below a certain point I've definitely noticed that the phone goes insane and will get noticeably warm in the pocket and basically die within a few hours.

Turning off push data will get you slightly better battery life in this scenario but unfortunately I still found that the battery would still be dead by the time I needed to use it. And it's not a network issue either since I tested it on different networks and compared it to other smartphones dealing with the same terrible reception-this phone definitely uses an insane amount of power when reception is bad, which isn't a problem if you're just transiently going through a bad reception area (probably helps keep the signal from dropping) but if you're spending a few hours in a place with poor reception it will drain insanely quickly.

Thankfully I'm spending my time in places with better reception now-I basically ended up having to turn off the phone if I wanted it to still have power by the end of the day but now it's still nearly full at the end of the day with just moderate reception.

HTC should really change the phone's behavior when there's 0-1 bars-it's nice that it tries to find a network aggressively when it loses a signal but there should be a timeout on it where it should start checking at longer intervals if there's a long period of no signals unless someone's trying to make a call or something. Really useless when you put your phone down for 2 hours in some overly shielded building and when you pick it up to make a call and it's dead. Not to mention uncomfortable when it starts heating up like crazy.

I'm not sure why you still got battery drainage even in airplane mode though but maybe the phone had already gone into whatever insane mode it goes into when the reception gets bad. Maybe it's one of the apps running the background that freaked out as well? I think my battery life was still kinda bad in airplane mode as well, for some reason I had to literally turn the phone off to get it to stop killing the battery.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thevuman:
i get zero bars at work and no reception. i've noticed that at work, my phone gets destroyed and lags like crazy and barely usable. it gets no reception for 8 hrs so its nice to know that other ppl are experiencing this problem and its not just me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] wabbits:
my tilt did this today, was warm to the touch, idled' didn't use it all day 6 hrs idle with signal, battery drained to 50% made a phone call 13 min duration, put the phone down watched a 2 hr show, phone dead.

not from signal/data.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] UTZorro:
My Tilt2 stock rom appears to have done the exact same thing today. Yesterday it had low battery for the first time ever... then today, it completely died in my pocket while at work (usually I have about 80% battery left at the end of the day). I noticed early this morning that the phone dropped from 100% to 60% about 2 hrs after it was off the charger. The phone felt hot. No programs were running in the background either. When i saw this, i ran cleanram and it still died a few hours later. Reset the phone and charging it now, hopefully this was a one time thing?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thefixer:
I think this might be it. Reception at work is normally really good (there's a tower in our parking lot!) - but I noticed today they are working on it.

The strange thing is that putting it in flight mode did not stop the power drain - to me that just doesn't make sense. However, I'm thinking that when I first did a soft reset, it probably wasn't in flight mode. So, the complete manual power down, followed by the resulting soft-reset into airplane mode) might be what fixed it.

My phone is often in areas of poor coverage (NW CT) - pretty much every day to/from work, and I've not seen this behavior with the TP2 before. Other GSM phones I've had do noticeably use more phone in areas of poor/non existent coverage, but this was a relative melt-down - I did wonder whether I had an internal short.

It's been ok since, and I'll report any future incidents or findings...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] slimslim:
Happened to me two times, I figgured the problem was the GPS connection, improper exit from GPS app (AmazeGPS). Can be related to GoogleMaps or other app too. After restart, everything went back to normal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
If that is so, how can we check if the GPS is still running?

I do a reset often, but that won't change a thing...

Besides, when I look, the power consumption often is 'slightly above normal' - 150maH-250maH.

btw: what is considered as normal consumption?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Trickyny:
Battery Status plugin

I hate to sound like a fool, but I'm running the stock ATT Rom on my Tilt 2, and I cant find the "Battery Status today plugin" you mentioned. Is that a T-Mobile only thing?

Is there a .cab for it?

To reply to the primary topic though, I've experienced the heat increase/battery drain level thing, but it just started yesterday after I installed a whole bunch of stuff. This weekend I'm planning to hard-reset and load stuff slowly so maybe I can isolate the cause.

I'll post an update if I figure anything out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
FWIW - I've recently been trying to track down a battery drain, too.

For me, though, the drain has correlated with trying out SPB Mobile Shell 3, so that is clearly a likely candidate. However, the drain does seem to be mainly limited to night time.

For example, on Sunday the phone dropped to only around 80% after a full day out and about. However, by Monday morning it was down to 10%.

Similar results on Tuesday night - almost complete drain by the morning.

To see if I could work out what was going on, I installed acbTaskMan yesterday, and set it to log CPU overnight (it periodically logs CPU usage, power drain and the top three CPU users).

Unfortunately, there isn't any *obvious* candidate:

Microsoft "My Phone" kicked in for a couple of minutes and used quite a lot of power (max of 493ma). However, this dropped off once "My Phone" had done its stuff.

A lot of the time, its actually acbTaskMan which is the top user of CPU (probably unsurprising, given it is monitoring and logging).

There does seem to be a bit of residual network traffic - every five minutes (or so) there are a few UDP and TCP packets being sent.

Overall, the average reported power usage was about 113ma (with the max being 493 and the min being 5!). However, the reporting period seems a little odd - most of the time it reports every 5 seconds, but there are a few periods earlier in the night where there are gaps of up to 5 minutes.

What would people generally expect the average power usage to be when on standby?

FWIW The comments in this thread about low signal could certainly be relevant. I do have pretty low signal at home and I did leave the phone in a slightly different place last night (where it could have had a better signal than the two nights before).

My current hypothesis is that

Something in Mobile Shell is causing the network connection to keep alive all night (or is at least turning it on every five minutes).

This coupled with poor coverage in my house is hosing the battery. During the day, with good coverage, the network traffic isn't causing as much of a problem.

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pmtan666:
you might want to try this.

Under MyPhone, disable the Current Location.

Under HTC Settings->Location, disable all the location information.

See whether this helps?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
Thanks - this is a good idea.

However, I think I may have uncovered a more fundamental (and dumb) cause. Somehow (probably user error, but I'd like to think some nefarious impact of installing the SPb stuff), my "peak" times for Activesync had been changed from 8am to 6:30pm, to 8pm to 6:30pm. This completely explains why my connection kicked in every 5 minutes overnight (as this is what my "peak" exchange sync is set to).

Having fixed that (!) I'll see whether my power usage is miraculously better tonight! If not, I'll give the location stuff a go too!

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
Checking mail all night is not a good idea!

Ahh yes - much better now. I went to bed at 80% battery and woke up at 70%.

The task manager log has logged far fewer points (only 300 logs over 7.5 hours, as opposed to the 5400 that I'd expect if it were logging every 5s), which I guess indicates that most of the night my phone was in "deep standby", or whatever one might call it.

FWIW I certainly recommend acbTaskMan as the logs it produces are very handy to spot what is going on for this kind of thing. For example, even in a low battery drain night I can spot exactly when various services are using the network (e.g. checking mail, Google Maps updating its latitude stuff, etc.)

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
I noticed somethin strange last night.

The battery was still for 63% full when I turned the device off (Yes, really turned it off!) and still next morning the battery was completely empty!

Now how is that possible? I do have two batteries, which do exactly the same, so I could test this with the other one, but this seems to be seriously wrong!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bones20:
I had a similar problem with Sprint. after several trial errors, I traced the problem to the Verizon radio (2.23) I used after SIM unlocking. I went back to sprint 1.96 and voila. Since then now I have moved to Sprint 2.32WU and it works even better.

Another battery saver is this trick "disconnect network when idle for 1 min timeout":

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=69185
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Dmuny:
Had same thing happen...new tilt (1 month old) got hot and drained battery in 3 hrs with no use! I believe its a GPS program such as googlemaps or Trapster that caused it. A soft reset and im golden. Hate having to soft reset all the time
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ms0529:
see this often, almost always because gps is running and did not shutdown when the program using the gps was closed. Chartcross GPS test will show you if the gps is running or not and usually will allow you to exit, and stop the gps induced battery drain. I have gotten in the habit of doing soft reset after using tomtom or google maps, to ensure that GPS is off.

At least for at&t devices, gps is the culprit for huge battery drain, hot to the touch. I will add that little or no signal to the phone will do the same thing. When I am in marginal coverage area, I turn off 3G and that seems to stop the excessive drain and heat build up due to low signal strength.

Not straightforward, for sure and one has to pay attention to the device, or when you need it most, the battery is done.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] judicious:
I set external plug in to 1 minute for the phone to dim, but it doesn't...any idea how to change this?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] saifkorn:
same thing here, i think it wont dim when connected to the pc but will dim when connected to the charger.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] judicious:
I'm not sure either, but I installed s2u2 and disabled the security pin and seems to work much better.
[G1 Android Development] gamecheif:
Okay, ill take this from the top.

Well i found out Cyan had a new rom available and i figured ill take the time to update to the newest rom i was on 4.1.1.1.1.1.1 (Whatever) and i first downloaded 4.2.3.1 and tried to flash it not knowing you have to download a recovery image so i had downloaded and flashed the recovery image on top of the 4.2.3.1 then when that was finished the phone said formatting radio or something then it rebooted then went back to the recovery screen next thing i see is the phone giving a message formatting cache and it didnt do anything for about 20 min i rebooted the phone and now im back at stock firmware without root.....

Do i go ahead and Root my phone again or do i have to do something else.

Any advice is much appreciated!
[G1 Android Development] tekkitan:
My advice... post this in the correct forum (which is Q&A).
[G1 Android Development] lstevens86:
Yeah that's why you must always read before flashing. You should reroot you phone to be safe. What bootloader and recovery system do you have now? Next time download the recovery image from htc and then flash ur image from cyanogen. ... and oh yeah POST in Dream Q&A next time. This forum is already cluttered as is already.
[G1 Android Development] jay652:
I am beyond fed up with people like you.

You are not contributing to Android development.

You are not helping anyone.

You're simply selfish, lazy, stupid, and a waste of time.

Sorry if that sounds extreme, but it's not that hard to read forum rules.
[G1 Android Development] RAQemUP:
Did I read that correctly in that you flashed 4.2.3.1 over your 4.1.9xx w/e CM build and then flashed the HTC image afterwards? Ya that was incorrect. You did the process in reverse. Just read Cyanogen's first post in his thread (read it slowly just to make sure). It clearly states what to do.
[G1 Android Development] tazz9690:
Seems to me like someone didn't read the directions correctly on how to flash the ROM. You deserve it, but it's not the end of the world. I'm surprised this thread has not been moved or locked yet, but then again, Mods have enough trouble sifting through stuff like this as it already is. Oh what to do, what to do.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gamecheif:
Okay, ill take this from the top.

Well i found out Cyan had a new rom available and i figured ill take the time to update to the newest rom i was on 4.1.1.1.1.1.1 (Whatever) and i first downloaded 4.2.3.1 and tried to flash it not knowing you have to download a recovery image so i had downloaded and flashed the recovery image on top of the 4.2.3.1 then when that was finished the phone said formatting radio or something then it rebooted then went back to the recovery screen next thing i see is the phone giving a message formatting cache and it didnt do anything for about 20 min i rebooted the phone and now im back at stock firmware without root.....

Do i go ahead and Root my phone again or do i have to do something else.

Any advice is much appreciated!

update

Now the phone wont let me install ANY update.zip files it keeps saying installation aborted after going halfway through. Also i have a weird recovery image (Android System Recovery <2e>) is this recovery image not allowing me too flash any update.zip ..... can anyone help please.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] anddep:
check setting>about phone
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gamecheif:
Yes i think my phone is not rooted based on that information.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] MagicSpeller:
:mad:

I really hope someone can help me with this, because I'm going crazy. :(

This will require a little history, so bear with me. A couple of weeks ago, I lost my Fuze. Last week, I bought a cheap (prepaid) AT&T GoPhone and called AT&T to have my number transferred to it. I used that phone successfully for several days, until this morning, when my lost phone showed up!

I was ecstatic, thinking that now I'd finally be able to sleep again (:p), but my excitement changed to disappointment after spending 30 or 40 minutes on the phone with AT&T, explaining my situation over and over to get them to understand what I needed, then following their instructions, and finding that my phone wouldn't work.

They informed me that my old SIM card had been disabled and was therefore useless, and suggested that I put the card from my GoPhone in my Fuze. I did so, but when I then turned the phone on, I got this message:

*****

Owner: Keith Russell

(xxx) xxx-xxxx

Enter your password and tap "Unlock". You can also enter an emergency phone number.

*****

My phone has been passworded in the past, but not recently, because I was trying to resolve some problems and was doing a lot of soft resets and didn't want to have to deal with the logon security. On the other hand, I'm pretty sure the message I was seeing was one I had never seen before. Nevertheless, I tried all the passwords I could think of that I had used on the phone in the past, but none of them worked. Every time, I got this message:

The password you typed is incorrect.

I called AT&T again, and this time spent over an hour on the phone with an AT&T rep and later, an HTC rep. We tried several default passwords, which also didn't work, and the HTC rep finally had me do a hard reset.

I installed my registered version of Sprite Backup 6.5 and restored my most recent good backup. The restore was successful and the application did a soft reset when it was done. Things seemed to be working fine and I spent a couple of hours cleaning up duplicate or large notes to free up memory. I also emptied the recycle bin in Resco Explorer. I then did a soft reset, thinking that might help with the cleanup.

Believe it or not, when the soft reset completed, I got the unlock prompt again!

So I'm stuck. I'm hesitant to do yet another hard reset and restore, because I expect that the same thing would happen again, eventually. I'm also not very excited about calling AT&T Support, because they didn't seem to know any more than I did about this problem.

I have no idea where this unlock prompt is coming from: whether it's hardware, firmware, OS, or application specific. I do have Pocket Secure installed and it's possible that that's what causing it; I just don't know.

Can anyone tell me what's causing this and how I can get around it?

Thanks very, very much for any suggestions you can provide.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] reaverclan:
u cant do a full restore with sprite as what ever it has that makes the prompt will come back, do custom dont add anything but your contacts and messages.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rickytenzer:
I just flashed the HoFo ROM and I love it but I would love it even more if Voice Search could search my contacts as well like the 1.6 version allows.

Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] serstylz2:
I am using AthineOS ME, changed my radio because my battery was dying too quick, now I can't receive SMS, people i send to can receive mine but i get no responses. Tried changing the radio 3 times, no luck so far. Any ideas?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] judicious:
i have a tilt 2, and every now and then, i get stuck on windows boot screen. what i end up doing is having to hard reset...any idea why this happens? this time i installed smartlock... very sad
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bright.Light:
Have you flashed the device?

Do you have graphical glitches now and then? (eg. the wait cursor shows weird)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] myrandex:
This has been happening to me about once a day for the past 3 or 4 days. I was running the Timor 7.1 rom, which is based on the official HTC WM 6.5 rom (just has some things removed and some minor stuff added in).

Last night I reflashed with the official HTC WM 6.5 rom and I haven't had it happen yet, but there is still plenty of time. I was ready to send my phone into warranty though because it was happening so often (of course after reflashing stock rom and spl)!

Jason
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] judicious:
Hi, yes, sometimes the wait cursor shows up when it's done loading, but I'd always thought once you restart the phone, it goes straight to home, but I do see the cursor (windows colorful graphic) spinning before it gets to the home tab (clock).

I did flash it, but that was a long time ago, I only hard reset now because I like the Rom I have.
[G1 General] TheDeadWalk:
anyone else out there think someone should port

the pimped out lockscreen from Eclair for the latest cyanogen rom?

i do haha.
[G1 General] AdrianK:
2.0 will be out soon enough... Anyway, I think Stericson's lockscreen is being ported to new cm builds..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] jaredakelly:
where is the touchpal keyboard? did they take it out of market?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Sian:
I think so. The developer told me they are working on it and should release it end of the year.. hope so..
[Hero, G2 Touch General] JiltedCitizen:
I was on the market. I installed it. It is not near as great as the winmo version. Needs a minimize key like the HTC keyboard.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] jaredakelly:
when was that install because i just tried right now and it's not there?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] BungleNZ:
Hi guys

This is my first post in XDA, but I've been browsing the site for a while and have found a whole pile of useful tweaks & apps.

However, I've got a Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) and was wondering if there's a way to configure the Zoom Slider when viewing docs, excel files and emails etc to go in more than one zoom level. I'm assuming of course that my device is working as it should, which it appears to, as in Opera it will do a progressive zoom as you slide, but this is not the case in docs etc?

Does anyone know of a reg hack or similar for this?

Any help is much appreciated
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] e.data.tech:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=578420

haven't heard of anything but this is an app says that it changes the use of the zoom bar haven't tried it myself but sounds promising may find it helpful.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] BungleNZ:
Yeah, I had seen that one from doing some searching, but from what I saw on it, it justs adds more functions to the slider as opposed to tweaking existing functions.

I may give it a try anyway.

Thanks for your reply
[General Questions and Answers] buzzardhead:
Hi all,recently brought 2nd hand O2 exec windows 6.1 installed.

opening screen has these numbers

D.07.60 R

0.082.104

0.80.00

unit works ok but the phone won't connect at all 2g or 3g sim card

after doing lots of reading i gather the radio rom needs upgrading or do i upgrade the whole software.

I downloaded JASJAR_ME_13082_171_10900_wwe_ship but haven't run the upgrade as i don't want to kill the unit without finding out if it is safe to run or is it the latest update tool.

Also if i do the upgrade do i lose windows 6.1 installed.

Appreciate some help here.

p.s I'm running vista on pc
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Welcome to forums

You have one of the best HTC devices ever made!

Have a look here to get all the info about it:

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Universal

You can flash another ROM and perhaps you can solve your issues

Good luck,
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dmolition:
So can the 9.99 unlimited data work on MyTouch 3g??

I have looked for an answer but none of the answers show a real answer so i was wondering if anyone can help me.

Is there a way to use an APN setting to get it to work??
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] phatmanxxl:
The only way to have data is get on the android plan. So far their is no way around it.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dmolition:
Thanks for ur answer then ill change my plan before my phone arrives :)
[G1 Android Development] kingklick:
wow....way to post in the right area