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[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Complaints

I would not have a problem with a genuine fault being reported, but false reporting and disinformation that seems motivated by sour grapes is another matter. It deserves to be refuted at least.
[HD2 General] Archer:
In fairness, when you start with a comment like "Don't worry, soon you'll find an endless list of shortcomings", you're begging for a bashing from people who like the thing!

If your intention was simply to make a list of the reported individual issues, I think you could have probably worded it better.

No harm's done anyway. At least we've not resorted to swearing, name calling and mum jokes. This is the most responsible and mature forum on the net lol.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
This attitude of "unless you completely agree with what I think, you shouldn't be allowed to post on the forum" is really very tiresome. Do little things like freedom of speech and balanced reporting mean so little these days? :( If someone comes on this forum looking for buying advice, don't you think they should get an accurate picture of what the HD2 is like, rather than a ridiculously rose-tinted one?

And talking of rose-tinted pictures, if you think that the HD2's camera is any good, you have never seen a decent camera-phone. No one expects the camera to compare to a dedicated camera device; but is it so unreasonable to expect it to be as good as, or at least comparable to, cameras found on other phones? Have you ever seen the output from a Samsung Omnia HD, or a Sony Ericsson Satio, or an LG Renoir? The HD2's photographs are simply abyssmal in comparison - and I don't mean in terms of megapixel count (which is of little relevance in camera-phones) I'm talking about detail, a lack of noise, lack of excessive sharpening or blurring, colour accuracy, and not having a great big pink blob superimposed over the central part of the picture. According to threads on this very forum, the HD2's is camera is worse even than the one in the original Touch HD, and that takes some doing.

And as for video recording - the HD2 manages a lower frame-rate at 640x480 than the Omnia HD does at 1280x720.

Does any of this matter? Quite possibly not, if you never take pictures with the phone. If you're happy with your HD2, great; other people may well be happy too. But going into foaming-at-the-mouth-fanboy mode and claiming that the HD2 is utterly perfect in every conceivable way and that anyone who claims otherwise is an idiot and should be banned from the forum really doesn't help. A little balance and objectivity shouldn't be too much to ask.
[HD2 General] Archer:
Whoa!!! Something got your back up didn't it ;)

Free speech works both ways. As in, you can respond to something you disagree with, as equally as you can make the initial comment in the first place.

People need to chill. This really isn't a big deal. Just a difference of opinion.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Happy Camper

Good to hear a positive report.

Though you have a Leo not a Blackstone.

It is my experience of the HD2 as well.

It is superb.

You are game experimenting with gfreeks taskbar.

It is the best, but I have had to reflash my HD numerous times after experimenting with taskbars and manila mods.

Good to see you have the right stuff.

I trust you won't complain if some of the experiments have unexpected results.

That is what happens a lot on this site.

People complaining like children when they don't get exactly what they want from a rom chef, and without having to do any work themselves.

If this phone is left exactly the way it is, it is leagues ahead of any other.

But should you want to explore and experiment, you need to be prepared to persist and see things through.
[HD2 General] 47789:
Everybody please calm down. I know majority (more than 90%, 95% or 99%? someone should make a poll) of you have no such issues but it is nice to have a complete list of every major/minor complains posted together for easy referencing.

To Noam23, maybe you should emphasize "a few users" have these issues instead of going straight to the list. At first sight, your post do look like a HD2 bash. Look forward to your list.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Not only that, but so much of the reported "facts" are nothing short of BS opinions.

Too heavy? Sure, if you're a 3 year old girl. A full grown adult male should have no problem. There have even been people saying it's *not heavy enough*. Listing the personal opinions of some random internet troll and dressing it up as a list of "shortcomings" is nonsense.

Most of those "complaints" are about as close to being genuine product faults as the comedic claim of no blowjobs.
[HD2 General] les_paulde:
i agree if the list were objective, but things like too big a screen, edges being too small and having a bad browser (say what?? :confused:) is a purely subjective statement and should make no appearance on such a list.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Free speech

When did I ever say people don't have the right to post?

I include myself in this. Speaking from experience, with an informed opinion, I will refute opinions which I believe are not based on experience and seem motivated by the desire to confuse and deceive.

Thank you.
[HD2 General] fards:
personally I think the camera is the best Winmo one I've seen, and that includes the omnia II- it is leagues ahead of my HD one..

it does have a bit of a pink tinge in low light when using the flash but otherwise it's great. Just take a second to re-read that again..

FLASH _ LOW LIGHT _ GREAT who'd have thought you'd ever heard those words describing a HTC device..

Video is fine for me.. Why do I want to record videos at a higher resolution than there are pixels on the screen?

as I've said elsewhere, I have two issues;

Calibration/sensitivity is off so typing is bad out of the box, (it can be done) and gl peformance isn't as good as we'd hoped compared to other devices with same chipset.

both are software related .. and fixable
[HD2 General] Archer:
Eh? When did I say you did? Did you quote me by mistake?

I'm staying out of this thread from now on. I think it's gone past the point of being useful.

Thank you.
[HD2 General] Wevenhuis:
Don't worry, soon you'll find an endless list of shortcomings (just summarizing what was said by many owners in this forum):

1. Control of keyboard is not inaccurate. The keys are too small. Just look at the unused space of the windowes keyboard to the left and right!

2. no issues here on my hd2

3. Not a bad webbrowser, but wish opera did support flash.

4. Tasks. Swipe is not bad.

5. This depends on the settings. The video camera is not bad. The problem is the lens with regard to image quality.

6. A better speaker could never fit in such a thin device. You have to make a compromise somewhere. And besides, it has an audio jack for you know what.

7. "Too heavy (157 grams) and too big." I agree I was a bit surprised about the weight. It is relatively heavy to the feel. But then just look at the specs, in a thin device!

8. No dedicated power button.??? It does have a dedicated power button!

9. No TV-out. Is this not possible via a tweak through the microusb port?

10. No real multitouch. I would call the ability to use more than one finger multi-touch. It's the software tools that run short currently. I mean, just look at what you can do with multitouch on the iPhone.

11. Edges of screen too thin (hard to hold without accidentally pressing something on the sides). Humans have the ability to adapt.

12. Screen way too sensitive. Agreed. But I like it. I don't like it that keys and onscreens buttons are still made too small. I do not necesarilly like the ethics of having as much information and buttons fit the screen. Make it practical. More big buttons, more swiping, more use of multitouch and all the other devices added (G-sensor, gps). I mean come on, current software is not using the potential of the hd2 optimally right now. What's the use of having such a phone if you can't use it's tools optimally?

13. "Huge lag with SMS when replying to a contact with large SMS history." I have to wait and see this point. My HD2 is one dag old. Is it perhaps a carrier issue?

14. Sense UI doesn't cover every setting (and not everybody wants to use it), and many Windows Mobile 6.5 screens are hard to operate with the capacitive screen. I agree on this point. Waiting for windows mobile 7. Looks like it will improve the experience.

15. "There are many more I will continue later..." Please do.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Sorry

Sorry mate, It wasn't aimed at you. The thank you was.

I have been enjoying myself a bit too much and will now follow your example and return to reason. Just reading too much BS on this phone lately.
[HD2 General] riz157:
Harsh.......poor guy really did get a beating. You guy's really love your HD 2:eek:
[HD2 General] cocoaju:
Coming back to XDA forum after a while now and nothing has changed. It's threads like these that gets the heat fired up.

There are always goods and bads about gadgets. There pros and cons, and there is definitely no PERFECT phones in the world. Otherwise there will be no HD3 or HD4, or iPhone 3GS or 4 in the future. There are always rooms for improvements and that is how we humans evolve and improve ourselves.

It's actaully very interesting in reading one's opinions and how they feel about such devices and some even very strong opinions that fires up foul language posts.

After leaving the HTC family, I find that it's all about usability and how we familiarize ourselves with our devices. At first I thought it's just power and speed (though it does count) but after using the i8000, I find there are so many things I loved about the HTC devices. There are lots of things I miss (especially help from this forum) about the HTC devices and it's shell app.

Yes there are other phones that are better in many ways but after after using them, I find myself coming back to HTC. Why? Cause it is the user interface I am use to.

So no need to get over heated with this thread. It's just personal opinion. I love to hear all the bad things about the HD2. I don't mind people saying it's crap or how good it is. The good thing is that I hear both sides and from there I will see if it still a good idea to buy it. Though I have not got the device with me. There are a few things that I am really not happy about the HD2 like the no TV out cause I don't have a computer plugged into by TV and now that I am use to having to plugging my i8000 in and watch my CSI and 24 on my TV. But I think I can give that up. Why? I think I like the HTC user interface more than watching movies with it on my TV.

SMS is slow on the HTC I have read but that only happens when you have over hundreds of threading SMS. I have lag on my i8000 and IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE THREADED MESSAGING. I think I can live with deleting messages.

Whatever it is, threads like these helps us doing our research. It helps us getting the info before buying the device which is priceless.

By the way, does the HD2 HTC Album player plays Xvid / Dvix movies? I read that it does but I also read that users are re-encoding their movies to H.264 codec to view movies. Oh yeah, that other thing that made me buy the i8000 is that it plays avi movies without encoding again and smoothly.

Just my 2 cent. Sorry if I have upset anyone. Chill!
[HD2 General] fards:
try the multitouch on any standard winmo screen.. you can zoom to get access to keys, tick boxes etc
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I'm afraid not. On the plus side, the HD2's CPU is fast enough that any reasonable-resolution xvid movie can be played quite comfortably in Coreplayer, even without GPU acceleration. If your original clip is a higher resolution than the HD2 screen, or has a bit-rate of multi-thousand kb/s, then it'll need transcoding; otherwise Coreplayer can probably handle it. (Unless it has AC3 audio).
[HD2 General] kaskonjunf:
Greetings, just to correct your signature - Blackstone is Touch HD and HD2 is known as Leo
[HD2 General] cocoaju:
Thanks mate! Can't wait to try it out for real.
[HD2 General] hmota78:
Exactly what I wanted to reply. If you use more than one finger (i.e. two fingers independently) to control an application, it IS multitouch. In other words, if you can do "pinch to zoom" (which itself is a multitouch gesture) your screen supports multitouch. It is just the software that limits its use.
[HD2 General] hawrai68:
Coming from using an Iphone 3Gs (bad reception, bad battery to name but 2 problems), to HD2 via Storm 2 ( typing slow, camera not too good, bit dull overall operating system, bulky device), and N97 (way too clunky and fiddly for my liking)...I can honestly say my HD2 is a great balance..its the most fun, responsive phone I have used in a while...the camera is awesome, movies play without stutter, phone quality great, slim, nice screen that you can get rid of smudges with a couple of wipes, great web browsing..etc etc.

Granted it took a while to get used to typing but once you use it for a while its ok...and although battery could last longer - still better than Iphone and some other multimedia heavy devices.

Personally I am very happy with this device. :D
[HD2 General] Xzeven:
Oooh another *****y troll thread. Well let me get my flaming response thong on.

Ahem now then, lets see...

1. Control of keyboard is inaccurate (some even use the word "nightmare") and sometimes lag.

R1: Were you drunk/inebriated when using the phone by chance? ...maybe a big old children's V-Tech keyboard is best for you

2. Random screen presses (which aren't originated by the user)

R2: The gremlin in the machine...apparently it has more affinity for you than anyone else :)

3. Bad web browser.

R3: Really? hmm, maybe you should be looking at your porn on a PC then

4. Inefficient UI (no tasks, annoying swipe control).

R4: So it wont make you tea and toast, fly you to Mars or cure cancer. It does do more than your average user wants though.

5. Low quality camera.

R5: I didn't know professional photographers used phones as cameras.

6. Insufficient speaker volume.

R6: Getting deaf in your old age are we?

7. Too heavy (157 grams) and too big.

R7: If 157g is too heavy for you, perhaps you should visit a gym...or lift a feather/thimble now and then.

8. No dedicated power button.

R8: Why would you ever want to power off the HD2 anyways, its just too good :)

9. No TV-out

R9: No DVD player, remote control, SCART, or teletext either...sob sob

10. No real multi-touch.

R10: Really? Wow I must have been hallucinating when i pinched my photos, videos and opera and noticed it zoom....Gotta lay off them brownies :D

11. Edges of screen too thin (hard to hold without accidentally pressing something on the sides)

R11: This I grant you can be an issue SOMETIMES. Congrats, you get a 1 gold star <slow applause>.

12. Screen way too sensitive.

R12: Well the way you were dishing out hurtful comments about her, its no wonder the poor, sensitive HD2 was crying

13. Huge lag with SMS when replying to a contact with large SMS history.

R13: Nothing a reg edit or Hacked ROM cant fix... but then again, the delete SMS option is there for a reason.

But aaaaaanyways back to the point and opener of the thread. Congrats rd2000 on getting the LEO, it really is a brill phone :)
[HD2 General] Maknificent:
Well I love my HD2....I had the HD(sold it), got a TP2(loved it), and got a HD2(Devoted to it)....so I agree with the starter of this topic!
[HD2 General] anshkhanna:
TP2 vs HD2

Hey Maknificent,

I am also currently using a TP2...since you switched from TP2 to HD2...thought I would ask you....

Do you miss the awesome keyboard of TP2 now that you have switched to HD2? For me h/w keyboard is a very important feature...but I am swaying towards giving it up reading all the reviews about the giant screen of HD2 and how easy it is to type on it...

Could you please advise your views???

Tks
[HD2 General] @home:
Hi

I have had the HD2 for just short of a week now & having previously having had yhe TP2, which was a beauty of a Phone, I can honestly say I don't miss the hard keyboard. I was a little unsure about being with out it at first but now I don't miss it one bit.

HD is a fantastic bit of kit. Had it a week now & I cannot get enough of it :).

And with thanks to the guys on here the experiance gets better every day.

If your unsure about wether to make the leap, don't be, the HD2 is a winner, in my book anyhow.

Cheers & Enjoy
[HD2 General] anshkhanna:
Thanks a lot pal...I am getting persuaded...you might see me camping on the LEO forums soon enough!!!
[HD2 General] Beards:
Well, the multi-touch is a blessing in Google Maps.

Great for zooming in.
[HD2 General] arfster:
He said quality - the number of megapixels is irrelevent, and has been since we passed 2mp. It's all about the lens and ccd quality.
[HD2 General] Moandal:
Someone said they thought the HD2 was too heavy at 157g? Get real!

I still have my beloved Universal which weighs in at a super-heavyweight 285g. Now that's what I call heavy!
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Either way, the quality is still decent. You can't expect everything to be perfect. You have to make compromises.
[HD2 General] Maknificent:
My review is the keyboard is beautiful once you do a screen alignment(got that advice from here somewhere)...I sold my HD becaue of no physical keyboard...but on the HD2...I can type 5-6 pg txt msgs just fine...I used plenty of leo roms on my TP2 and they all were "ok"...but leo manilla on the HD2 is just AWESOME...THE PHONE IS JUST AWESOME WORD TO CHUCK
[HD2 General] drkalo:
Well, I bought my HD2 two days ago in Bulgaria for 525 euro and of course dug out xda's forum for some tweaks and advices.

There's one thing from Noam23's list I definitely agree - the keyboard control is a real trouble to me. I installed FingersKeyboard because it offers many additional languages and other extras but it's still quite inaccurate. May be its because I haven't got much experience with capacitive screens but honestly - I miss the stylus when it comes down to typing on the HD2. On my Blackstone I was much faster with my both thumbs :)

Otherwise the device is amazing. It plays a downloaded dvdrip without any reencoding - no lags with coreplayer. iGO 8 loads amazingly fast :) Opera browser is much faster on HD2 compared to HD1 :)
[Off-topic] whattheone:
hello, people, happy to meet all of you here.

best wishes to you.
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Welcome aboard,

Read, Search, Respect and Enjoy!
[Off-topic] flyboyovyick:
What device do you have?
[Off-topic] galaxys:
Welcome to htc xda...read, search, & have fun!
[Off-topic] darfri:
Just a simple question, nothing sensible: What does the number 3.5 mean to YOU? :D
[Off-topic] stylez:
Mini Stereo Jack ;)
[Off-topic] -PiLoT-:
hard drives
[Off-topic] DaveShaw:
.Net Framework

Dave
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Touch Pro 3.5 :D
[Off-topic] ingerasu:
women normal acidity on their private area
[Off-topic] galaxys:
Number of galaxies I just flew by :eek:
[Off-topic] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Floppy disks
[Off-topic] darfri:
ok here are two more - famous (or latest) .net framework version and hsupa (3.5G).

More more... :)
[Off-topic] ingerasu:
latest version of SpbMS :D
[Off-topic] wovens:
.Net framework had already been mentioned in post #4.

3.5% - the average salinity of seawater.
[Off-topic] darfri:
Your'e right. My mistake
[Off-topic] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
now 3.5 means all the things mentioned in previous posts, but before that it was a 3.5mm audio jack :D
[Off-topic] galaxys:
A childs shoe size :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] geejayoh:
Hi there,

I've searched the forum extensively and all I can find is very old talk (from 2007) about a messenger client for Windows 6.5 that supports the QQ network.

I saw someone mention that with a reg hack you can get Palringo to support QQ, but then doesn't mention how to do it!

Also searched the interwebs for a QQ client and seems to be no dice. All of them support ICQ, MSN, gtalk et al, but no QQ :(

I have downloaded the QQ2008 client from the shou ji website for QQ, and it installs fine, however it just won't connect to the QQ network. My Chinese is ok so I can understand some of the stuff, but the error message I can't.

I have a feeling that you can only connect to the 3G QQ inside China as I'm in Australia at the moment. I might be talking BS though, can anyone confirm or refute this?

Wouldn't mind being able to speak to my woman when I'm mobile on QQ so any client that could connect would be good. I tried the Java based mova messenger, installed fine, ran, but it doesn't like my HTC Touch Pro 2 touch screen, wouldn't connect to the QQ network and then when I exited disappeared from my programs list and my storage card. Guess my phone didn't like it.

Anyone help out with a lightweight, easy to use client that can connect to QQ?

Many thanks in advance.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dreamz18:
i running qq2008 fine on wm6.1 through wifi, i downloaded through the qq website, also if you want to read the weird characters properely you need to change yor regional settings (settings-system-regional setings) to china or one of the chinese ones, i'm also in aust. so regional settings on aust. will give you funny characters,
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] geejayoh:
thanks man, I have build 092 that I downloaded from the QQ website too.

I have chinese fonts installed on my phone including sogou pinying so I can see all the chinese scripts fine. It just wont connect to the QQ servers for some reason.

In the QQ program, which connection to you select, "My Work Internet"?

any help is appreciated.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Enchanter:
qq ugly , nothing fun , and really stupid ,

it puts many virus to my laptop and pda ,

:mad:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] BeeGame:
QQ is China's largest instant messaging software.:eek:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] geejayoh:
BeeGame, you are right, and still doesn't work on my mobile. Does anyone know the QQ server that it should connect to and where that's stored in the registry so I can double check it?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] laziepig:
just choose 'the internet'
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fantasy8:
Support qq, support for China
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] just123:
geejayoh, you should try build 088. build 092 doesnt work for me, except through wifi, but 088 works fine
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] klasital:
Installed QQ build 092 on my phone, everything seems fine I'm able to browse inside the program, but for the chat portion of the program, I couldnt' get it to connect to the server on wifi or 3g.

Build 88 just gives me a blank screen, it may not be compatible with wm 6.5 that is what i'm thinking.

Help !_!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cache520:
you may try this :change your wifi connection to internet ,not my work.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] babapour:
I have same problem but I'm in china, so it is not your 3G ...

Can anybody help....
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mfcb:
hi, i'm using build 92, in austria over 3G... i experienced, that the first time it takes an awful long time and many tries to get an initial connection. after this it works almost without problems (but still takes about 40 seconds to connect).

so, try many times, with a good 3G connection and wait... i think it must search for the best (nearest) server and tries to ping some of them. the last successful connect-ip is written somewhere in a file in the QQ program folder (suclonginIP.cfg, notice the typo, hehe) but its not human readable. i frequently backup all "access date > 2009" files to my PC, for later restore after rom refresh, and this solved also the "initial connect takes long time" problem.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noahfz:
I am using HTC Touch Pro with 3 network in Australia.

I had build088 and it was working with the setting to "mobile internet" instead of "planet 3". Then yesterday I flash my mobile to use the TEAL ROM with is WM6.5. And now QQ is not working, all I can get is a blank screen. I tried build92 and even qq2007, all downloaded form QQ's website, still no luck.

I guess the problem may be QQ does not support WM6.5. And I am very interested to know of to tweak palringo to make it work with QQ,
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] redy_lau:
very good!!