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[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Suspense is just too much fun....?
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
If all goes well I should have something tomorrow night for everyone.
[Touch CDMA General] bug666:
hintttttttttttt lol
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Is it gonna require serious work to do, like flashing a rom? Or still just files on an SDCard, just in a different way?
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
:D..............
[Touch CDMA General] codybear:
lol, i've been working on stuff in the background too. haha.

but anyways, i was like wtf, this is a total bs thread, then i saw your name everywhere. haha. so i guess it's not.

good to see a vogue developer still around!!

I'm working on getting another one so I can mess with the vogue again. it's a fun phone.
[Touch CDMA General] ruizit0:
hiihhiihi cant wait :D
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
up to 3 pages in anticipation
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
beta 2 is off to the testers. Depending on their reports I might release a public beta. Not to tease, I just want to cover my bases before releasing it. I hate things being released that don't work and cause more issues.
[Touch CDMA General] masalma:
Cant wait, I hope it is as fast as the ion, I have tried every version out there, and nothing is as good as the ion in speed and stability. Been itching to try something that works good.

Keep up the good work.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
I am not releasing a build so you are out of luck. sorry, but I don't release builds anymore. This is more of a utility to increase performance.
[Touch CDMA General] masalma:
I am happy regardless, anything in the right direction is a good step.

I sent the vogue to vilord last week so he should be receiving it any day now.
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Release public beta please.
[Touch CDMA General] myn:
X2. Whats the worst that can happen?
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Maybe semi-public beta to people who won't just complain about how something doesn't work since they know its an early release? ;)
[Touch CDMA General] KERKEDAGAIN:
..people not so familiar with what a BETA really is will start posting mad questions/complaints if there is an issue. For that reason i've found the devs much prefer to get most things ironed out beforehand
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
thats kinda the reason it isnt out yet. making sure it works overall is the most important thing
[Touch CDMA General] myn:
Most??

Every software development shop I've worked for employs the Release early, release often protocol.

;)
[Touch CDMA General] aescobar:
nooobbbbbbiiiiiiiiiie

hello yalll
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
yeah well I aint any software dev shop you've worked for. I have testers helping me test the utility. If you don't like waiting tough beans.
[Touch CDMA General] plemen:
If you need any more testers I would be happy to help.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
it's out check the first post.
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
]cool man
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
How much faster does this make things? Any significant difference between the speed with the old style and this with Hero builds?
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
dude its worth it enjoy:)
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
I'm gonna set it up. I try out everything that shows up here form mssmision... :)

I was just wondering from someone who has done it, or one of the testers how much faster it really is. Gives me something to look forward to when I do it tomorrow.
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
i was a tester and i find it faster on my builds as well as others! im sure you won't regret it
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Silly question: What is a good, free formatting program for mac os. Or can I setup multiple partitions through the disk utility. I know I can reformat the card, but I never looked if I can divide it up.
[Touch CDMA General] tallnerd1985:
Formating Ext2 with Windows

Here is a nifty guide I came across for all us users that dont dual boot linux with our Windows OS. Follow the directions at the link to partition your card with both Fat32 and Ext2.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=512873
[Touch CDMA General] OleJuice:
This sounds awesome:)...can't wait to try it.

Thanks,

Best Regards

Justin
[Touch CDMA General] mrkite38:
Window partitioning

Thanks, tallnerd... I would also recommend using a GPartEd live cd. Free and open source! :) But you'd need a way to connect the card directly via USB instead of through the phone.
[Touch CDMA General] aven_soulgazer:
I can't use GPartED live because I'm on a HP laptop that they say not to use it on. I run Fedora Core 11. The only way that my laptop can see my phone is if I have my phone ready for tethering. Otherwise I never get a filesystem pop up. I always end up having to boot windows to put new files onto my phone.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
You can either use a micro sd adapter or boot your phone to windows and connect it to the computer with usb. Your phone should not be in android when you are partitioning it.
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Nevermind, I figured it out. Anyone looking to do this on a mac:

1. google and download "Ext2FS_1.4d4.dmg"

2. Install it and restart

3. Go to partition your card in disk utility and you should have the option now of making one in ext2 format.

4. Have fun
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
TheKartus, I've got Linux and the commands should be the same. Need some parted help?
[Touch CDMA General] JeckyllHavok:
Testing with sqap now, should make no problemsdu to that the user.confs use the 3rd partition on sdcard for swap.....

But even without swap it feels mouch more responsive (tested on jamezelles v1.3)
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
For those that don't do Windows...

For those of us that live in a Windows free house, I would suggest using the gParted Live CD (http://gparted.sourceforge.net/) to partition for the ext2 bit. Then, I use a neat little tool that lets MacOS see ext2 partitions (http://sourceforge.net/projects/ext2fsx/) to play with it. Hope this helps :)
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
I'd finally had a chance to play with this after my D&D session last night... mssmision, you are the freakin' man. This is the greatest idea since running Android on the Vogue to begin with. I've tried it now with a few different builds and everything but the vanilla donut that zenulator upped works incredibly well (not sure why but it keeps looping at the Android screen. I'll have to double check my default.txt). Very fast, very smooth, I haven't seen a force close or wait message once. I'm running vilords "Still Evil" Ion bundle from August, it's so much faster I almost got whiplash from it :)
[Touch CDMA General] KERKEDAGAIN:
so are the instructions in the first post used ONLY on first boot, or are we to do this each time we want the ext2 partition used?
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
just first boot, after that it'll boot the partition like normal. if you ever want to update to a different build just copy over the system.sqsh to the sd and re-run the utility.

As for latest Donut not working, it's possible that the correct files aren't included in my rootfs.
[Touch CDMA General] KERKEDAGAIN:
ahhh...genius!!! it's probly too early to say, but i think even the phone rings quicker in Hero!! Job done madly well!
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
Ah, okay, good to know. Anyone else having Donut related issues with this? I've had no issues with any other build I've tried yet. This has made me grin like a Cheshire cat all morning :)
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
I can look at Donut issues as I'll be toying with this later.

Mssmison, you can guarantee an unique backup filename with "echo $(uuidgen)"
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
I couldn't get donut to boot. Trying a hero build now. Having issues though.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
I'll put up a new build tonight that supports donut, sorry guys, I don't use donut so I hadn't updated the rootfs. It will also include all the wifi stuff from enatefox.
[Touch CDMA General] bzo:
the nice thing about the sqsh filesystem is that it protects the SD card since it is a read only filesystem. Is there going to be an issue with writes wearing out the SD card using an ext2 filesystem?

I seem to remember issues in the early days of android on vogue when the SD card was accessed more directly, that they were prone to getting corrupted/destroyed, perhaps due to too many write cycles.
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
You won't have any more writes to it normally than you do now. /data and / are rw and they get more written to them. ext2 doesn't really write a lot especially with the noatime flag. Even with ext3 it doesn't really impact life a whole lot. Generally /system is not touched by Android. Plus / and /system are mounted ro initially
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
Awesome. Looking forward to trying this with Donut tonight...
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
it is mounted as ro, and was before squash when we used cramfs. squash was used for the size of downloading and it was reported to be a bit faster than cramfs. This is best of both, downloads are still squash so they're small and the system parition is ro.
[Touch CDMA General] bzo:
mssmison and enatefox: thanks for the info guys

I wonder if using an uncompressed file loop device would provide much of the benefit of an actual partitioned ext2 filesystem? I use a lot of virtual machines on my computer, and the performance of virtual file systems, which are essentially uncompressed file loop devices, is surprisingly good. Maybe the best of both worlds: ease of use and good performance? But perhaps it is not comparable given the cpu/memory limitations of the vogue.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
we've been able to use uncompressed loop devices for a while, the performace is good, though this is a little better I find.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
new version uploaded, supports donut, wifi and better data file naming. Thanks enatefox :)
[Touch CDMA General] masalma:
sorry for a slightly stupid question.

regarding the first step :)

1. use your linux to partition your sd card to have a system ext2 partition, basically just make a 200MB ext2 parition on your card.

is it possible to use the linux emulator built into some of the releases to partition and format the microSD card while running android, or is there any other way to do it, by have the phone connected via a usb cable running windows mobile to format it, I don`t have a microSD card reader or adapter.

Cheers,

Nas
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
Really your best bet is to use a Linux LiveCD... there are some tools for windows to manipulate/format ext2fs, but you'd be much happier with the LiveCD method. There are some links in the previous posts to get you pointed in the right direction.
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
Trying 2.2 with the G1 Donut from Zen. Here we go!
[Touch CDMA General] SuperJMN:
Should Donut work now? I'm using a Polaris with a Donut build that worked before (the last in the Vogue Google Code Site), but it's looping in the the logo screen once and again. The ANDROID banner shows, later, it stops shining, black screen and logo again.
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
Still no joy on the Donut builds. I get past the Android logo and then to what looks like a lonely little cursor staring back at me... goes no further. Loving this with the Cupcake based builds tho :D
[Touch CDMA General] cmus:
so I need a little Linux help. I booted Kubuntu 9.04 and installed my sd card in a card slot. It shows up at /media/disk but when I run Gparted, the only devices that show up are /dev/sda and /dev/sdb which are the two drives of my computer. How do I partition the /media/disk location?

Thanks, look forward to trying this.
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
your card should be /dev/sdc try un-mounting it first (but leave it connected) and then try gparted.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
out of curiosity if you flash to donut and than reboot and boot haret again but do not enter recovery does that boot donut?
[Touch CDMA General] cmus:
I tried typing umount /media/disk and then restarting gparted but there is still no /dev/sdc. any other ideas?
[Touch CDMA General] moekind:
I formatted my sd card to fat 32 then created a linux ext 2 partition.

Then I followed the instructions, and everything booted correctly.

How can I confirm that everything is successful, I notice a speed

increase, but is there a way I can tell for sure?

I'm running the Ion build btw...
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
if you reboot into wm and plug it into your pc and ext2 partition pops up with app, bin, customize ect... then it i successful. if the partition shows up empty then it was not successful
[Touch CDMA General] sshark:
does system have to be in sqsh format, I am used to using your Rogers v3 system.img....
[Touch CDMA General] moekind:
In Paragon it says 110 mb on my ext2 partition is being used up

so I guess I did it right!

Right? Lolllllllll
[Touch CDMA General] stickus:
Have been at work today, so I've only done a bit of testing so far. I'll try that when I get in tonight.
[Touch CDMA General] adeyo:
read/write??

Great to see mssmison coming out with something again -big fan of his work! I was recently trying to run the terminal to remove some apk's (and play around with the system)...but i didn't have rw permissions, i had read only. does this mean i will have the permissions needed to edit those folders, remove apk's, and basically destroy anything i want in the name of learning?? ...if so, i can't wait!!!!

Thanks Mssmison!
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
Okay, I think I can cover everything. If not, ask:

You need to make sure the FAT partition is the first on the card, then the ext2

You need to make sure you format correctly

If it's boot looping or getting to the notification bar but no home screen you are probably SOL unless you use a premade data.img. They are on GC for you, I personally uploaded one for Sprint which will work for Cupcake. Never had a problem with that and Donut so it should "just work"

If you have read only on /system or / then Android is doing its job. Here's how you mount it read-write with ADB or terminal:

mount -o remount,rw /system

when you're done breaking things:

mount -o remount,ro /system

**EDIT, some images don't have the proper root permission so you get "permission denied" when you type "su" but you can override that by using "/bin/su" instead as it's incorrectly set to allow anyone to access root. The update mssmison uploaded has that fixed though and so do the images I posted but just in case, that's the fix.

And how's Donut and wifi working out with the updated rootfs.img?
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
it's only squash builds now.

that's all I've released images in for a long time and assumed everyone was still using..
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Donut still not working out?
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
You tell me. I put/updated all of the Donut stuff in there. It should be good to go with the newest rootfs.img and recovery.img
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Trying it now. Been in the Android logo loop for a while. I'm just giving it time.

EDIT: Not sure if its working. The loop stops every now and then, screen goes black, and it starts up again. Its been going for a while, longer than usual with donut startup.
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
You know how to use ADB right? Can you check logcat and see if dexopt is looping? Should flood stdout with "zomg this app changed, let me collect the certs" and keep going until acore or another core system process crashes at which point the whole boot sequence should loop again. If that's the case, I can fix it with a premade data.img. If not, please post it so we can get that fixed.
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
I don't have a linux machine. I swap out files using an SD card adapter..... I can't gather a logcat. I'm trying to use this build with the data file I had with it before the new installation method.... could that be a problem?
[Touch CDMA General] soccerman821:
thanks for all ur work. in doing this i have a 6gb card.. i partitioned a gig under ext2 and 5 as fat32.. when i plug it into my phone, under windows mobile, it asks to format and won't allow me to access my card without doing so. when i format it removes the partitions all together. any ideas?

i used ubuntu and a gnome partition editor to do so, running in vmware.
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
when using gnome partition editor(G-Part-ED or gparted) move the fat 32 partition to the left of the ext2 partition. just a suggestion i have not tested this! gl!!
[Touch CDMA General] soccerman821:
thank you very much. worked like a champ. i never would of thought of that
[Touch CDMA General] JeckyllHavok:
Am i the only one who gets the no media found message in alnum and music player?
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
i had that too using jesterblur but using v1.3(with previous data.img) it works fine
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
TheKartus, with ADB you run logcat against the phone-- it's independent of your computer. "adb logcat" will print to the screen, the other option is to use ddms from the SDK which gives you a full debugger for the phone.

Just to clarify what jamezelle said, you need the FAT partition to be the first one on the card for Windows to recognize it. With gparted, that would be the left. With fdisk there is no direction, only awesome.

Media not found issues are build specific, not related to this thread. You can try to use the Media Scanner in spare parts (or dev tools?).
[Touch CDMA General] cainlol:
polaris donut

tried the recovery.img with the system-donut-102009-r2.sqsh. Looping on android logo or android logo ---> black screen. Also tried with a cupcake build : system-vilords-ion.sqsh( the only.sqsh cupcake i found) and it worked! is there a donut sqsh out there that is confirmed working? The donut build boots fine without the ext2 partition

NB i am using Polaris though...
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
Anyone having boot loop issues please attach a logcat or there's nothing I can really do. ADB isn't hard to set up and the SDK has ddms which is a full GUI you can point and click to save a logcat.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
Please DO NOT come in to this thread and start by saying it's not working only to follow up and state that you are using a phone that I am not supporting.
[Touch CDMA General] moekind:
I am using a Vogue and I get the same issues as Cainlol with the donut

images. I'm going to try and use an old data file from ion and see if that works.
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Any simple instructions on getting a logcat? I downloaded the SDK. I'll get one for the donut boot loop I'm having.
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
plug the phone in while it's at the logo, open ddms, click the device, go to Device, Run Logcat, once it's looped through hit Cancel then Save.
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
I'll get that done for you. Just have to write a short paper first.
[Touch CDMA General] cmus:
I really feel like a noob here, but can someone walk me through the partitioning process? I have tried the following: run parted in Kubuntu, make one 7.5 gig fat32 partition on my sd card, then I am failing on my attempts to make a 500 MB ext2 partition. I run the mkfs command and follow the dialog to make partition 2 as a ext2 partition but when it is done and I type "print" it shows partition 1 as my fat32 partition but partition 2 has no file system listed. What am I doing wrong?

Thanks

ahhh, nevermind, finally got it to work. here I go trying donut this way...
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Is there a third file that should be in the 2.2 zip? I thought 2.1 included a zimage or something else also. I put in the new rootfs and the recovery image but for some reason I'm not even getting the option to load recovery.

EDIT: the first package had an initrid in it. I took that out of my recycle bin. Is it necessary?

EDIT2: I have ddms running and the device is showing up as ??????????? and online but I can't get logcat to run. It just keeps saying failed.
[Touch CDMA General] tetrismonkey:
i would love to try this but i am lost as to how to mount my storage card to my windows xp PC through the phone if some one could walk me through this never done it before

and i know i need to make a back up of my card 1st and then do the partition

then load the new android

please any help

thank you
[Touch CDMA General] Rhys'Droid:
You would be much better off going to Walmart and purchasing a USB card reader, they are what? $10?
[Touch CDMA General] enatefox:
TheKartus:

adb shell logcat

save, upload

evilclosetmonkeynate:

adb push <somefile> /sdcard/

adb pull /sdcard/<somefile> "C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\"
[Touch CDMA General] Rhys'Droid:
Hmm, I thought he was refering to formatting the card? The ADB thing works quite well for transferring files, not quite "drag and drop" but once you get the hang of it, its nice. Eh well, sorry about the confusion.
[Touch CDMA General] mssmison:
for anyone with looping donut, have you tried rebooting to winmo after updating with the recovery image and than just letting it boot normally?
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
ill give it a shot...
[Touch CDMA General] cainlol:
sorry if I offended you, i only thought I could help by giving you the info i had found out by trying with the phone i had. i know this is the vogue forum, but i saw that other vogue users had the same problem. anyway it wasn´t my intent to complain, but to help. i don´t know how to use the adb, but i will find out.
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
@mssmison it just sat at ablack screen after donut bootscreen

and i couldnt get a logcat

amezelle@jamezelle-laptop:~$ adb shell
error: insufficient permissions for device
jamezelle@jamezelle-laptop:~$ adb logcat
- waiting for device -

it wouldnt load
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
I have tried that. I got to the same spot as Jamezelle got to.
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
i also noticed when installing a new system it will replace /sdcard/backupsystem/installedsystem.sqsh with new one instead of well backing it up lol.

and of course i didnt back it up:p
[Touch CDMA General] javamaan:
just a feedback.

First a background: I had downloaded donut into my vogue and had run successfully. Surprisingly it didn't have any forced closes. :) (earlier i had tried hero senseui and just gave up on it). Anyways i realized i had changed the donut.user.conf to user.conf. I dont know what impact it has on andriod. I assume i was looking at donut??:confused:

Anyways, i have 2gb sdcard. have about 750mb of wm6.5 data on it. so, when i ran v2.2, it was trying to back my data.img file as well as system.sqsh. It didn't have enough to backup and the booting process came to a halt at a $prompt. :(

I already backedup my data image in my hdd. So i am thinking, if you could give a choice to backup or not, it will be useful for some.
[Touch CDMA General] Rhys'Droid:
This works great! soo much faster (and many fewer force close/wait messages!) WiFi even works. awesome great work
[Touch CDMA General] tacomanmcjab:
I'm a bit of a noob to partitioning and such. I used paragon partition manager to partition a 500mg side to my card. Where do I place the android files, on the linux side of the card or the normal side? Also windows explorer cannot view the Linux side of the card, is that normal?
[Touch CDMA General] Rhys'Droid:
It is definitely normal for Windows to not see the Linux side of the card. Put all of your files on the Fat32 (Windows) side of the card, stuff gets copied to the Linux side on first boot. It is 100% worth it!
[Touch CDMA General] tacomanmcjab:
Thank you very much, very kind of you to help me. :)

I will post back to see if an increase in performance is noted.
[Touch CDMA General] javamaan:
WiFi? what device are you using? it certainly not Vogue.
[Touch CDMA General] TheKartus:
Hes on a Kaiser.
[Touch CDMA General] tacomanmcjab:
For some reason its stuck at the linux screen, where it shows all the text. It's stuck at the line where it says, enabling aab function. Please help me.