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[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
price of xperia x2

Hei there! I am new in this forum. I am going to buy xperia x2, i have found the retail price in Italy, this is 500 euro! I think this is less than expected! to prove this is true, i will give you the link of one of the most important italian phone company, note that the price is sim free: http://www.wind.it/it/telefoni/telefono165.phtml?sez=Privati .

Hope this will be usefull :)

I think that the x2 reviewed here is a prototype, because the video recoding is only in 3gp and not in mp4 like se site affirm.

X2 is shipping!
[XPERIA X1 General] rohorubo:
@sonyxperia2

it seems to be a very nice price....and it's more or less the same as in Switzerland. Here the price is about CHF 750.-- which means about € 500.--
[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
Perfect, now we have the price of Italy and Switzerland, we can say that the x2 price is 500 euro. Less than my lower hoping :)

hey gtrab, thank you for your job with x2! But i have a question: are you sure that the video recording is only in 3gp in your prototipe x2? Can you post a video sample taken in normal daylight condition? Thank you again
[XPERIA X1 General] rohorubo:
in Switzerland the first online shops have the X2 on stock and are buyable as of now. guess it is the english version because for german, french and italian there is for each language another number.

link
[XPERIA X1 General] deezy7:
Remote play

Hi gtrab! Great videos...watched them (without audio, at work lol) and they looked great! I've installed the tilewave cab and can't believe how smooth it is...but without the full ROM, i don't get anything when I hit the e-mail and slideview tiles....I can't wait till the ROM is finished!!

Anyway, I was wondering if you or anyone else know if Sony snuck in the Remote Play function onto the X2? I know this has been asked, but since you're the owner of the phone, I wanted to get a definite answer from you...

Thanks for all the great work!!
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
gtrab

How is your X2?!
[XPERIA X1 General] comeradealexi:
I'm sure i heard somewhere there there WAS going to be like hardware accelerated support for videos and graphics on the X2?

like with drivers or something or am i wrong?

if not then should we expect the same playback speed on the final Release
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
sorry to confirm again: no I have not found it, but software seems not final (some bugs, no landscape dialer, battery life sucks big time !!)

so it may appear on the final version
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
Again I am 99% SURE this software is NOT final (even when the hardware seems to be final 'cause there's no engraved / stickied proto label and the box is full retail)

Many bugs as described, hot like hll when charging, and poor battery life (honestly I play with it a lot, from sunrise to sunset :D)

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[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
Please can u post a video recorded in sunlight? thx soooo much!
[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
I mean recorded with xperia x2 camera :)
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
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NEW FINDING:

The dialer and the accelerameter are linked:

During a call, when I put the X2 next to my ear, the screen goes auto OFF, but when I withdraw the phone from my ear, THE SCREEN AUTO TURNS ON

This is a cool feature to avoid accidental functions with the ear, and to take notes or do something while in-call

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[XPERIA X1 General] bronx:
are You sure it's not proximity sensor, rather than accelerometer? anyway... any chance to post video recorded in daylight, possibly with some moving objects?
[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
Yes x2 have proximity sensor, that is what bronx say! Nice confirm gtrab that it work! I hope that videos of x2 are recorded in mp4 rather than in 3gp..
[XPERIA X1 General] circleofomega:
can i be honest

i didnt like the design one bit..reminds me of the P900...

X1 is far far more stylish and suave than X2

plz plz plz dont ban me from this site for saying this...
[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
This is your opinion! Why ban?? I found that x2 is really wonderfull, x1 was not ugly, but not beautifull.. X2 4 me is this time beautifull :P
[XPERIA X1 General] rohorubo:
oh my god....what happend to SE? Official launch of a phone which will come to the market months later?

I just got the information from my delivery company that the release has been postponed to Janaury 2010!!!

What the f*** is SE doing? It's really unbelievable....
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
I am goingto sell my X2, I will ask 590 EUR

Reason??

1- I have finished testings, which was the main purpose

2- Even when the box and phone are final retail version, the software is not, so I won't use it for daily use until an official ROM is out thru SEUS

3- Its the X2i, I will definitively buy the X2a with american 3G when it comes out

4- I need the money to buy / test other phones

gtrab
[XPERIA X1 General] deezy7:
Awesome, thanks for answering my question gtrab! I know many people are asking you all sorts of stuff, so I thought mine got lost in the shuffle :) I really appreciate it.....I guess I'll keep my fingers crossed, and hope that it pops up in the final version of the software. I would LOVE to stream some of the content from my PS3 to my phone...argh, it would just make so much sense to go from PS3 to Sony phone!!

Good luck with the testing of other phones....I'll put my vote in for the X10 so that hopefully we can get a dump of that working on our X1's (I know I'm daydreaming here lol) :D, or I guess any Android device...haven't seen any Android roms in corner of xda yet....
[XPERIA X1 General] matt69:
Video calls and FM radio

Would it be possible to check if there is any hardware to support those features? If not then no software update can ever fix it.

To the right of the speaker there is something that looks like a front camera, but official manual does not say anything about it and comparison between X1 and X2 on SE web page shows that X2 does not support video calls (same for FM radio).
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
Camera

GTrab,

How about camera quality?

Thanks for all the useful info.
[XPERIA X1 General] sonyxperia2:
There are both, front camera and radio fm. But i am not sure that both will be operative at the x2 launch... My last question about x2 is the recording quality! I still don't know this part :(
[XPERIA X1 General] rohorubo:
hi

FM Radio won't be available at launch --> see here.

There are two cameras...front and photo. So I think video calling will be available (but who really uses this?) ;-)
[XPERIA X1 General] Tilt68se:
I don't know if this is a good thing, if I look at my X1, the plastic parts look brand new, the metal batttery cover is scratched and buckled, the only part of the phone that looks old.
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
EDIT: now I am sure it is not full metal but metallic-like hard plastic

I think only the battery cover is real metal

will update front post
[XPERIA X1 General] anothadave:
lol whats wrong with that?? i loved my p900!! (altho i loved my p1i more :P )
[XPERIA X1 General] tangsta35:
X2 Release date: Dec 9th, 2009

Actually, according to the email update I got a few days ago. X2 will be released in a week on Dec 9th 2009. I guess this still falls under "Q4 2009" which was their target date.

http://www.se-store.co.uk/index.cfm...campaign=wizemail&dm_i=7U9,2PHR,1BU9VY,8KGF,1
[XPERIA X1 General] circleofomega:
Ye..i HAD a p1i and it was superb..its just that i kinnda didnt like the hind side of the phone...that arch kinnda thing doesent work for me(personal opinion)

BUT nonetheless, WIsh you luck with the new one, BTW, X2 has a 6.5 OS...hows it doing??

Also, Im myself buying X1 this saturday...pray for me i get a black one...

Cheers!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Good luck!

My X1 is still fresh, especially with new Operas and Google Maps.....

Gtrab - pity you didn't test the final version.

It's not released yet.....
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
vodaphone uk has now changed the expected release date of the x2 to jan next year.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Really??

Hmm, strange delay....
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
i have just sent the xperia team a message on twitter to find out what going down. im waiting for reply.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Ok, let us know!
[XPERIA X1 General] rohorubo:
i got an answer from SE regarding the release.

the business support told me that the X2 is available on online shops in germany/switzerland...but I can't find no shop which has the x2 on stock.

i think they don't even know themselves what's going on....
[XPERIA X1 General] yuanes:
is this phone really worth the change. to go from HTC like 3 years to S.E.???

edit:

is the SEX2 still created and designed by HTC!
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
no it is not built by HTC

Mobinnova is in charge of the X2
[XPERIA X1 General] yuanes:
So it will not be supported by xda :(
[XPERIA X1 General] drwho?:
If Sony Ericsson support the X2 as well as the X1, the X2 will be still buggy when the X3 or X10 get released ...

no thanks!

no more SE.
[XPERIA X1 General] rohorubo:
official release date for the X2 will be the first week of January 2010. Why the phone is postponed? Please read here
[XPERIA X1 General] yuanes:
yeah the support is sh*t from SE but thanks to the guys from xda with their roms makes de x1 nice but still sold it laggy phone
[XPERIA X1 General] cleanest:
gtrab,

can X2 be updated via SEUS now?
[XPERIA X1 General] ultrashot:
No need to try. Still no f/w on SEUS, and it won't be there before official release.
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
HI Gtrab,

You still have the X2? What about the photo samples from X2's camera? Could you post some indoors and outdoors shots, night shots with and without flash?

Greatly appreciated,

Thanks so much if you can do this.
[XPERIA X1 General] cleanest:
X2 is already on the SEUS, but since gtrab has a prototype, whether it can be processed through this (offcial) update procedure? I do not see HardSPL for X2.

Sorry for my English ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] ultrashot:
Not through SEUS, at least. Default SEUS has low rights. It can be used only for updating to official firmwares.

SEUS doesn't have x2 firmwares now...
[XPERIA X1 General] cleanest:
I CAN select X2 from SEUS and start flashing (if i had a x2)
[XPERIA X1 General] hmyzak:
You CAN select X2 from SEUS? What version of SEUS program do you have?
[XPERIA X1 General] cleanest:
oooh. it was in version 2.9.11.10 and now its gone after automatic update to 2.9.12.29
[XPERIA X1 General] cleanest:
But stop... now i CAN select it again! I can see, its miracle! :o
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
thats the seus version not the x2 firmware version
[XPERIA X1 General] cleanest:
anyway, would it be possible to update the X2 prototype via SEUS?
[XPERIA X1 General] spine6:
@cleanest

Well... No...
[XPERIA X1 General] Hannigan174:
hmm, I guess I am too impatient. I looked at post two and it's still the same :p. I am gonna be checking this thread constantly now. I even tried looking for X2a, but it is not available yet :(.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Great info!

Good...

But why no Opera...

I hope it will be normally supported...
[XPERIA X1 General] ipporek:
Thought initial reports were that the X2 was more plasticky than the X1? And that the battery cover was plastic? But the keyboard is plastic, right?
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
about 700 EUR
[XPERIA X1 General] gundamboy:
awesome awesome, I want one too :(
[XPERIA X1 General] winningblue:
Nice!

Congrats, Gtrab!

How I envy you!!! :)

Is there any improvements on Media Xperience Panel?

Thank you very much for your sharing. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
you bet ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
I have not yet tested it, but it looks like it is there...

How to confirm ??

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If this is plastic, let me tell ya it is a very well done plastic-in-metal disguise :D

I am notsure, but the weight and coldness indicates full metal jacket ;) along with some plastic parts, good quality overall, and great in-hand feeling

UPLOADING PICS To FRONT POST RIGHT NOW
[XPERIA X1 General] killer8nl:
Saw the cab list you posted. Could you upload:

6 - 20.8 - Camera_R59.CAB

10 - 21.3 - CommManagerCab.CAB

11 - 20.0 - ConnectionSetupWizard.CAB

31 - 20.1 - PanelManager_R59.CAB

38 - 105.4 - se_keyboard.CAB

54 - 13.9 - TaskManagerSetup.CAB

55 - 24.7 - TileWave.091008.024.R1315.CAB

59 - 23.2 - VulcanDialer_1.0.0.638.cab

64 - 12.6 - xPlayNow-0.20.0.CAB

65 - 25.6 - Xtrakt_09.09.22.RC10.r7944_Release_Vulcan.CAB

66 - 19.4 - youtube.CAB
[XPERIA X1 General] sx1-doc:
just tested the jbed from x2 and its blazing fast and hardware accelerated on x1.

seem that xmas is a bit early this year for X1 users.
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
oh you can be sure I will

I'm giving it a little charge now and then back to combat ;)

BRB
[XPERIA X1 General] killer8nl:
Nice:)

Btw what windows sys version is it running?
[XPERIA X1 General] LEEONES:
One question, which spbmobile panel version is included in the x2 the old official and old one we have or the new 3.xxx?
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
Look at the pics (front post), I captured screens from device info

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To all:

THE CABS ARE NOT LISTED / SHOWING ON ANY EXPLORER I TRY, WIL KEEP STRUGGLING WITH THIS NON-HTC SETUP TO FIND THE CABS

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[XPERIA X1 General] sx1-doc:
hope to see the cabs up soon.

thanks gtrab
[XPERIA X1 General] killer8nl:
It doesn't show the sys version. I mean the about in the system settings.

Btw the device info looks very nice now:)
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
Awesome, can't wait. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
THE CABS ARE HIDDEN OR NOT PRESENT @ WINDOWS FOLEDR

WILL KEEP TRYING

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SYS | XIP is CE OS 5.2.21436 (Build 21436.5.0.36)

Somewhat old... (we were dealing with this SYS around july / august if my memory is OK)
[XPERIA X1 General] killer8nl:
Oke, yes it's a bit old.

About the cabs, maybe they are removed after the first boot so you can't find them anymore or you simply can use resco explorer and check if hidden files or whatever are there
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
About your CON:

The USB is MicroUSB. I've seen miniUSB to MicroUSB being sold. I hope they work nice so we don't lose our old stuff.

*****

Questions:

- can you confirm there is an internal standalone GPS Antenna (meaning it can work with no SIM card inside)? How Tomtom works?

- is the hardware keyboard as good as the Kaiser's or Wizard's (if you know these devices, of course) or near TouchPro 2? Cause X1's sucks for me, too small keys.

- Could you test "key press simulation" on the Optical Joystick? (Tap windows>settings>System>Optical Joystick)

- Can you confirm that the "separator" between the "call Key"/"SlideView Key" and "OK Key"/"End Call Key" is only a separator and not a button (in the prototype it was said it was a button, in the manual they are not mentioned)

- Finally, the camera, flash...

I thank you for whatever answer you can provide to these questions.

Thanks a lot.
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
Thanks, my omission, I am so excited :p

1- will remove SIM to test...

2- The hardware keyboard (this is pretty subjective) is THE BEST one I have ever used (TyTn, Kaiser, etc etc), very desktop-like layout, and good input feeling compared to the X1's

3- "key press simulator" means it acts as "enter" when pressed; the mouse pad actually has a better feeling over the X1 one, withoutthe side cursor buttons

4- The separator is just that: a separator, not softbuttons

5- CAMERA menus are more cybershot-like. You will feel at home if you have a Sony camera. Geotagging is there, so is the flash. No "no sound" option; 4 shooter sounds to choose from. Auto-stabilizer is present too. Software is R59_RC2 - 37946. Camera can be set to AUTO or MANUAL, you can play with the setting a little more in MANUAL mode. Auto-flash is an option in "manual" mode.

PS: pressing the battery icon in the taskbar is not working, so I am starting to guess this software is not final but a proto... or SONY released their first version over an "old" WM6.5 build
[XPERIA X1 General] Hannigan174:
I was wondering how the new jbed handles. I got the exe and tried running it on my X1, but apparently it needs some other files to run (wouldn't work as replacement for 20090217) I was wondering if you knew what it needed, or at the very least tell me if it is worth trying to get.

I also looked in appsdb folder and the included Java apps didn't seem very interesting. Correct me if I am wrong, because if they are good I'll install them.

I would like to Thank You for all of your past and future contributions, and I anxiously await the fruits of your labor.
[XPERIA X1 General] gundamboy:
gtrab, if we get roms and stuff from the dump, and and... omg I just jizzed my pants thinking about it :D
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
Thanks a lot for the answers. Very clarifying and to the point!

Only info missing right now is CAMERA QUALITY. Are the photos good? Interior? Exterior? How about the Flash quality? Finally a real good WM camera?!

I'll also be waiting for the GPS response.

Thanks again.
[XPERIA X1 General] sonus:
Good news, it looks like the ROM was dumped by bigneeker in the other X2 thread guys! I don't know if its just compression, but it seems like a small file, although it does open.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=582653
[XPERIA X1 General] gundamboy:
If i'm not mistaken, bigneeker is using a prototype X2 isn't he? :S that would probably explain the smaller filesize.

Then again, I could be wrong >A<
[XPERIA X1 General] Hannigan174:
I thought I might be able to do something with bigneeker's dump. But I got no clue where to start. I guess I'll just have to wait...
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
my dump was stuck... still struggling with it... will keep you all posted...

I WANNA FIND OUT IF THIS IS RETAIL OR PROTO !!
[XPERIA X1 General] Im Packing:
Congrats gtrab! And you might wanna update your sig...not waiting anymore...you got your X2 now :p
[XPERIA X1 General] comeradealexi:
Heyy - can you say wether the video playback quality has been improved over the X1?
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
I would like to ask of your impressions of the native Youtube application. Does it show high quality videos? :)
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
gimme a video of your choice and I will play it simultaneously on both X1 and X2 for you to compare

all my current vids would be rejected by youtube, ya know :D

The native app is from google, and the latest one (which I included in my ROMs) was pretty good

Tonight I am dumping, tomorrow I will test the video / stream capabilities of this baby and will get back to you
[XPERIA X1 General] emmeborn:
Congrats gtrab.

Sounds like a worthy replacement of my X1, when it stops working.

Could happen soon. ;-)
[XPERIA X1 General] QPR:
will the rom run on my x1? if so when? and when is the x7 and half out?

just a jest, I wish I had a X2 and you's is be a lucky so n so :)
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
So:

The Google YouTube is preinstalled?

I think it has a crap quality compared to the HTC one

however the app itself is great

You disappointed me completely with keys:

so no extra buttons anymore? So X2 has 2 buttons less than X1?

That's very very bad. It one of the core functions I use on X1.....

Also, the dpad - is it hard key? Do you press it?

Or you just touch it to perform any "enter"??
[XPERIA X1 General] pashax1:
Since its primarily a phone, how good is the call quality and phone features? Can you copy and paste a number while in the phone menu? This is something basic that i find lacking in WM phones.

Also do inform us of the video playback and picture capture quality (especially shutter lag) both of which were abhorrently worse in X1 than any phone i've used so far.
[XPERIA X1 General] slash_5150:
woah im so jealous! now im reconsidering buying this...

can u test whether it can play a vga res wmv video of high bitrate (1000-2000kbps)?

since it has the same processor as the X1 i doubt it can play those videos without stuttering....thats the only reason keeping me from buying this. and its price.:eek::D
[XPERIA X1 General] Angelusz:
Nice!! Can't wait to try out the new apps that came with it. :)

How about an X2-based X1 ROM gtrab? ;;)
[XPERIA X1 General] ring-bearer:
Gtrab, thanks for the information and it's great to have an X2 in the hands of such a knowledgeable member.

Sorry to pile on another question but can you please give us your impression of overall speed/ snappiness/ responsiveness?

The biggest problem with the X1 is the slowness. And X2 has the same processor. Any improvement?
[XPERIA X1 General] Persuader X:
Finally no FM radio? Or disabled by software like in Touch Pro 2? Has any application instead of the QuickGPS to make it's function?

Thank you very much.

Best regards.
[XPERIA X1 General] spikegotti:
FM radio is coming to the X2 in an update :)
[XPERIA X1 General] foxcheng:
Can't imagine the tilewaves panel has the possibility to happen on my X1 :D

congratz gtrab, playing your cool cold metal X2 :') you successfully convinced many of us changed our mind on X2's impressions, thanks*

Can you share the gameplay of the 'experiment 13'? as smooth as xtrakt? :)
[XPERIA X1 General] BuddyLee:
This is a quality hd encode of a football game. Runs excellent on my x1 with agent47 roms. How does it hold up with the x2?

Link http://www.zshare.net/video/66963076445f6124/
[XPERIA X1 General] syzyec:
I don't Know what CPU the X2 has? Is it same to X1?
[XPERIA X1 General] sx1-doc:
so i see no chance to see the Cabs in the Dump or in the Rom.

the only way is to reassemble the files back from the rom and make a cabs to install.

i hope its not the way to go.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
the cabs must be hidden somewhere as if u reset the phone it would need to re-install the cabs again, like u just bought the handset.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Gtrab please, tell me how the Dpad really works.

Are you sure that those silver things between keys are NOT keys?!
[XPERIA X1 General] de Wolfe:
I'm planning to buy a successor for my X1 in January or February. In the very beginning I didn't like the X2 at all. But now I had my hands on it I'm planning to buy it meanwhile.

Just a brief question: has X1 a g-sensor? I cannot remember this.
[XPERIA X1 General] happyboy42:
can't do hard reset, because it will fail!
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Are you sure or it's just a guess?

'Cos it would be a very good news!
[XPERIA X1 General] Persuader X:
Thank you very much. Now I will wait for some information about the QuickGPS substitute, because for me, it will be a very bad pont if the X2 don't have an application that makes the same job that QuickGPS and instead of that, it downloads the AGPS data by GPRS or HSPA everytime you use a GPS application.

Best regards.
[XPERIA X1 General] sx1-doc:
if he Hardreset he will lose the x2 stuff ,as it seem that the firmware is not final.
[XPERIA X1 General] sonus:
He *MAY* lose the X2 customizations. It depends on whether or not it is a final release apparently. I looks like SE may have used the delete cab upon switch installation for their prototypes... and thus not hardcoded the X2 customizations into the ROM. Just a guess.
[XPERIA X1 General] sonus:
He *MAY* lose the X2 customizations. It depends on whether or not it is a final release apparently. I looks like SE may have used the delete cab upon switch installation for their prototypes... and thus not hardcoded the X2 customizations into the ROM. Just a guess based on what we've seen thus far with the last X2 prototype on the that showed up.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
on post 24, he says he paid 700 euros?? he would not pay and get a prototype would he???

@gtrab. could u confirm if this is a prototype or the real deal?

ps. i noticed from the pics that the phones free ram and rom space is a lot less than what i have on my x1. hopefully this is because of demo mp3's, vids etcs.
[XPERIA X1 General] medzz:
Yea 700 euro for an prototype? HARDLY !, well btw how is the dumping goin? (any raw files cooked into a rom yet ) ? :P
[XPERIA X1 General] gtrab:
you can enable it to work as a key, then, pressing it performs as "enter", and it has a button feel when pressing it, not just "depressing" it but sort of "clicking" it