yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
WOW im totally impressed how far you came within the last time.

But for me the Android version isnt usable on my Touch HD yet.

Not only the battery life (which will be fixed soon i guess) is a problem but my Android always crashes after some time.

I used the latest release but as i read that the clock wont work in it i went back to the release 003401 of 29th of november.

In the latest release i felt the screen didnt react that smooth to my entries and in the version im usin now the system just gets stuck after some time - especially when i use some apps from the android store.

Which of the versions is the most stable one?

I didnt test the one from 20th november yet which is stated here in the first post.

Is that one better?

Thx in advance.

Btw: if i change the release do i have to reformat the whole sd card or will it be enough to just replace the zImage and modules?
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
Hi, mine is WEP and is working. You have to add your MAC adress to your default.txt or startup.txt. There is a post in this thread where that's explained.
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
I now tested the version from 20th november and it really runs like a charm on my HD.

I dont get hung ups and WIFI works with WPA2.

Also the startscreen doesnt crash all the time.

Some apps do not work with the version tho (maybe screen size not supported?!?).

Social networks run well.

Internet is fast when the app is started. How can i enter directly an internet site without entering it in google??

Sometimes the android seems to be stuck but comes back and is still responding to entries.

g-sensor reaction is fast.

i didnt test the power management but i suppose it is not usable as it would be included in the later releases then too.

I will test this version of 20th november until a december release will come up.

THX
[Touch HD Android Development] kniffo80:
christmas release? hehehe
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
Nothing changed in wifi for a long time. If you're sure this is kernel version specific, please provide logs.
[Touch HD Android Development] JbDam:
3G network problems

Hey guys. :)

I'm new to all this Android thing, but I'm having some problems with getting the 3G network to work. :(

I'm running the Donut from 15/11, roots from 25/10 and zImage from today (Dec 4).

I haven't done anything to the phone other than boot the Harret. Am I missing something to get it working?

Hope you can help. :)
[Touch HD Android Development] k-zik:
New kernel image!!!

there is a new image avaible here which seems working so fine!!!

i think we're near to fully working android on HTC,especially after the rumor that HTC will gonna port android to the blackstone!
[Touch HD Android Development] k-zik:
did you tried to remove the data.img and these FSK files,before running haret?

it's can be the problem!!!
[Touch HD Android Development] jeanfrederic:
It's a rumor i've never seen again, nowhere. And i'd be a totally different commercial view from HTC that i really doubt of, but it's christmas time :D
[Touch HD Android Development] brumbrum:
!!!! Offtopic !!!!

Agree with you!

They (HTC) dont gain anything from upgradeing an existing product to a total new platform and by that only support a small part of the owners of this product. I think that we Htc Blackstone-owners that want to use Android on our phones are only a small part of the total Blackstone-owners. The others dont care... or dont even know the diffrence.

They didn't upgrade it (The Blackstone) to WinMo6.5 since they already sold what they need of the product. They however promised to upgrade Htc Diamond2 to WinMo6.5, and by doing this getting new customers they never would have reached out to before and indirect promise a longer support-lifetime for that phone and by doing that sell even more hardware.

It's as sad as this: If we want any upgrade or perhaps another system on our phones today "we" need to do the porting ourself.

This makes me wonder: How many of you had bought a Htc-phone if XDA-developers didn't exist? (please dont answer in this thread, lol). This came to me after thinking of buying a new phone, android-phone, and thinking of the Motorola Druid, Acer A1, Samsung Galaxy or wait for a none-developer-version of Sony Ericsson X10... but none of these has such a big community around to give support, give tips of how to recustomize/reconfigure, create special applications, create new flashable roms or just hand over handy tips for how to protect the screen better on the phone.

Since the screen is important for me (High resolution or OLED, or both?), I dont think htc hero is the phone for me... I like my Blackstone, and this phone is the best "hand-computer" I have ever owned since it has a very nice screen and also is possible to recostumize and flash in almost any way you want. The only thing that would make this even better would be a flashable, bootable, fully functional and usable port of Android for it. If that was possible then my phone would stay maybe 1 or 2 more years before upgrade. If this dont gets true in a near future, then my blackstone will be placed on the shelf above my computer with other fine hardware that is possible to modify and play around with.

Sorry for this offtopic-comment. This is what happens when starts to write in forums after some beers at the bar. ;-)
[Touch HD Android Development] luckdog:
Cant get andriod working

I have the OLI SPL, and am running WM 6.5 with 28008 build from Miri. I have followed all the directions for booting into Linux from Harnet but its not working. The message come up that say loading in to linux, my phone display goes dark and the phone vibrates twice. Then nothing. I have to remove the battery to reboot into mobile.

Any suggestiosn anyone, and help would be greatly appreciated.:)
[Touch HD Android Development] unstable_:
Movie

Can anyone create movie with this Android how this system works?:) thanks in advance
[Touch HD Android Development] hanskl:
battery charge

Hi, i played around alot with android yesterday on my hd, but at the end of the night i hard-reseted my phone, and put it on charging.. now, the next day, i've only got 56% battery!!:( Wtf just happend?
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
I could imagine that HTC offers android to one of their best phones. Also the HD2 just came out and so it would be an android version for one of the newest phones on the market...

But until that day i guess we will have a working android system on our beloved blackstone that will be fast and stable.

For me the new release (4th december) is fast but it always crashes.

I cannot say why but yesterday the market crashed then i wanted to import the contacts from sim = crash.....

I will try to reinstall it now and if it is the same i will go back to the android release i used before.
[Touch HD Android Development] JbDam:
Which FSK files?

Hehe. :D Found 'em. :D
[Touch HD Android Development] sxe:
Hey guys, with the last few build i had the same problems but with the build from 4.12 it works again. There are some messages like "wifi cannot be enabled and so on" but it works anyway. :) Thx for the hard work.

*edit: There are some glitches. Scrolling in the market is really sluggish and slow. Wakeing the phone up seems to be very slow too. But over all, the performance is getting better with each release. Thx again
[Touch HD Android Development] vdude_1:
Most people seem to be using the package listed in the first post as it hasn't been updated.

As far as I know the latest build is the one below from 22-11-09
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
Can u guys tell me what these line means in the start sequence of linux?:

"Raphael detected"

Is it because the program was written originally on a Raphael phone or how do i have to understand it?

(i know i DO NOT HAVE to understand it but id love to :P)

Will there be another way to wake up the phone and will it be possible to turn off the monitor as in winmo and not only have this light glowing screen when pressing the end key?

EDIT:

Now i tested the version from 4th december with the updated built and it works so fluid. even the problems with market are solved...i would say most crashes were caused by the keyboard problem.

Now everything works i need.

Camera doesent work as before and screen calibration never worked for me...

Now the only things i need would be better power management (battery life & a real screen OFF) and the camera and id be happy :)
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
Basically I copy pasted code from Raphael, and as i'm really lazy i didn't change that. Anyway it goes to fast to be seen :p

What others way could be possible ?

The four buttons at the bottom of the screen are not usable, because they are linked to the touchscreen (and you don't want the phone to wake up on every touchscreen press.)

Currently the problem is about getting it up again .:rolleyes:
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
I cant believe you are lazy as this project is a GIANT. :)

My fault. I just realized that i simply need to press the power button (like in winmo) and after some secs there is the lock screen...before i pressed any button and it was like russian roullette to get the screen back on :)

But how is that part solved with the other phones that come with android from stock?

Im pretty sure that u guys will solve that thing too.

Im so excited about this and the new release with the updated system works real fine so far. Keep it up.
[Touch HD Android Development] Stormgale:
How about the SD class problem? Any progress on that?
[Touch HD Android Development] hanskl:
Edit, it turns out my phone doesn't take charge from the computer, just AC adapters in the wall.... HOW DO I FIX THIS???:confused:
[Touch HD Android Development] DaniLoveSky:
Try this:

go to Start->Settings->System tab-> Power->Battery tab

and un-tick the check-box:

"When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC"
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
I know i read it somewhere before but i tried to listen to music via my car (aux) from android music player but the phone keeps playing the music from its own speakers. So no music out via headset in the new release.

Do you have any idea how to solve the battery life problem or whats causing it?
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
To change a bit, that's an android bug. Search for toggleheadset2, it's a widget to manually switch between the two outputs, primarily meant for android devices, but does the job well for us too.
[Touch HD Android Development] aavan:
Well, thanks, I did not know that too, and I was thinking it was a missing driver implementation of something...

I didn't found it on the market, so I made a search...

The app is here :

http://code.google.com/p/toggleheadset2/
[Touch HD Android Development] aavan:
(Sorry for double posting, but the two posts have very different topics)

I've tested one of the last release (20091205_130223) with the last update build from 22 Nov.

And it works like a charm, phone locks on my wifi network without any problem, market works great, I had no stability problems so far...

the Maps app has been updated too, and it now take the full screen, which is really nice ;)

And thanks to phh who pointed us to "toggleheadset2" widget, I can now listen to music with my headphone, or put it on aux in my car...

I will try to measure how long the battery will last while listening to music, I hope I will at least have enough time to reach my workplace ;)

But, I have one question, on Blackstone, the device no longer seems to go to full deep sleep, the touchscreen still listen to input, as I only have to press on the home button to get it to wakeup...

Is it how it's supposed to be right now ?

If you need a tester with a blackstone device and plenty of free time, just send me a pm, I'll be glad to help !
[Touch HD Android Development] touchhdizzel:
Great work!

TOday i gave it another try after some weeks had passed:

zImage 5.12.

build 22.11.

Everything much faster than before-> very nice

Good stability (only one crash so far)

typing on the keyboard is still a pain in the ass. and power drain is a big issue...

just wanted to say: great work and thanks again for your hard work!
[Touch HD Android Development] backslashV:
HELP!!!

when I run the Haret file a new screen comes and says

Haret version 0.5.2

launch a script file. Deafult path is the same where the executable lives.

and... help why is it like this?

before I have download your android and it was successful.
[Touch HD Android Development] zeer:
sorry for the offtopic, is there a way to enter calendar without google account? (just offline, like in WM)?

i read somewhere that for this i need 'special not google branded' android build, is this true?
[Touch HD Android Development] BlastOS:
Hi, I get to run android with a class 6 transcend 8G it's formated fat32 and I used the link posted by phh:

Updated build: http://www.cobaltcode.com/fileupload....6_22-11-09.7z

Am I the only one who can run with android with a class 6 card known to be non compatible?
[Touch HD Android Development] bronek13:
Progress

I'm impressed i must say that with every new release i see progress i remember the project from begining :) and today when i read about "toggleheadset2" apk i've installed newest kernal downloaded this app and SHOCK :) it works and plays to my headphones. Nice.

Other things i've noticed are:

1. When i press blackstone power button it returns me to previus screen and to homescreen like the hang-down in earlier builds. Nice but can it shutdown the display? just like the hang-down key today? :P

2. Phone sleep mode still react to display press or keys bellow display so its not locked down, my pocket will do strange things in phone this way...

3. Signal bar is displaying signal strenght but the wifi icon is dead... just saying if you wouldn't know :P
[Touch HD Android Development] Insaneboy:
Got to say - i'm really impressed!

I spent an hour last night testing it out and found it really addictive.

Great job guys!
[Touch HD Android Development] Bl@ck:
the most annoying thing is that this android ALPHA is less sluggish than any winmo roms out there... way to go m$
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
The problem is that the power key is normally (meaning when sleep works) the only way to wake up the system, and it doesn't work at every tries, so the system will try to sleep and wake up at the same time... I don't think you want this :p

But I'll make it as an option if you really want that.

Yes it seems that I broke sleep with last commit. I don't understand why, but i'm trying to debug this.

Android bug as usual :p (even if it can be fixed outside of android)

On my diam i have enough battery to go to and come from my study place :p

Yes it seems I broke it, you might want to use the unlock schemes thing. You might also want an older commit with which suspend do work.

Go on #htc-linux@freenode and just wait :p

Edit: sleep is not broken at all actually. It's just idle sleep which is.
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
Bug tracker !

pjottrr host a bugtracker for us now !

A big thanks to him as I think it should help a lot, here is the url:

http://pjottrr.no-ip.org:81/redmine

Please don't report single time bugs, only repeatable bugs, or features requests.

Also please post as much debug infos as possible.

There is also a whole forum for us, instead of this giant thread.

And a wiki if anyone cares fulling it.
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
Wouldnt it be good if you refer to the built you are using on that bug report side or can we suppose that you always use the newest update?

Nice idea anyways. I love it :)

I noticed that the blackstone led keeps glowing all the time when u charge the battery while booting to linux.

It keeps glowing when i disconnect the usb cable...

Today i tested how long i can use the system with a full battery.

So no standby test but full usage like searching the market place, listen to music, browsing internet, doin some short calls.

I made it to 2 hours without recharging until the battery is at "under 15%".

And i really didnt lay away the phone in that time.

I ask myself if we ruin our battery with it?

One more point is that the SCREEN CALIBRATION doesnt work for me...shall i add it to the bug report server?
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
Well yes, the exact build might be useful sometimes, but most of the time it's useless.

Well yes, there is absolutely no support of these leds in linux. If some blackstone users wants to trace it, search for haret gpio debugging help, or ask on #htc-linux

It seems every blackstone has such autonomy, which seems very low when i compare to what I do with my diamond... Does windows mobile says also it's 15% after rebooting ?

Don't know much about battery technologies, but it is meant to be charged/discharged every day, so it won't change much things :p

Added :p
[Touch HD Android Development] artie16:
I don't know if someone ever mentioned it.

But for dutch user of the provider Hi these are the APN setting for 3G:

KPN HI

APN: internet

Username: KPN

Password: gprsHi

Just after you put it in restart android and it should work!
[Touch HD Android Development] kamakarzi2:
Hi, downloaded this lastnight i love it, i dont think i'll be changing over just yet because of the high battery usage but its really good.

A slightly off topic question but were did you get the background of the little box figure in the screen shots waaaay back in the 1st posts?
[Touch HD Android Development] dameon12:
It comes with the package. Press the normal home button on your touch hd when you are on the home screen. Then a menu pops up where u can select "Background" or in my case "Hintergrund" and then take the upper option in the upcomin menu (Picture or Bilder). It is the 2nd picture in the 2nd row.

Hope this helps.
[Touch HD Android Development] ReijMan:
I've some strange super-low battery ussage in WM6.5 now.. (from 100% to 0% in 6 hours) Where it would normally last over 1 day.

Not sure if its Android related, but who knows I'm not the only one?
[Touch HD Android Development] sugo88:
Lithium Ion batteries (such as those used in Blackstones) have a limited number of 'cycles'. Each time the battery charges, then discharges counts as a complete a cycle. After such a complete cycle, the batterie's capacity is very slightly reduced. For this reason, it's unhealthy to completely discharge a Lithium Ion battery and much healthier to charge them as often as possible - quite unlike traditional batteries (where it was beneficial to fully discharge to prevent 'memory' effects.)

So to answer your question, yes, discharging your battery will reduce it's 'life'.
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
what about ubuntu arm on blackstone?

Sorry if I'm going a little bit off-topic, but would like to know if the kernel developement that's beeing done here would be useful to boot ubuntu arm on our blackstones.

Last time I asked the same in this forum some people treated me as a half-brained, but since it has already been done for omnia (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI_ujgw7Hk4) I think it would also be possible for blackstone, wouldn't it?
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
Should be quite easy to do, if you have a quick link to pre-built images I can give it a try.
[Touch HD Android Development] Insaneboy:
hahahaha i was actually thinking the same thing :D
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
Hi, phhuson,

The howto for omnia is here: http://linuxomnia.sourceforge.net/Howto.pdf

It seems hardier than simply running the image with haret.

The package is here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxomnia/files/

Btw, I haven't tried it because it's for omnia and not blackstone, and I was afraid I may damage mine, but would love to have it on blackstone (who doesn't need sometimes to use gimp on his mobile? :D)

Thank you very much for being interested :)
[Touch HD Android Development] phhusson:
I think you can expect it working and easy to install for tomorrow if there is no processor incompatibility :p
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
oooh I love you man!

t-h-a-n-k-s!!
[Touch HD Android Development] mcdull:
Yes, from the tutorial, it is actually doing the same thing as android just with the compressed rootfs replaced with a real partition.
[Touch HD Android Development] Domskibus:
Short conlcusion which files are needed:

The new build-update_donut-1.6_22-11-09.7z from 22.11.09 (http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5001254 ) and the old build from 15.11.09. I must replace the files from 22.11. with these files from 15.11. ????

The newest zimage: From here: http://glemsom.anapnea.net/android/htc-msm-android/

And this one: rootfs.img-15-11-09.7z Isnt there any new version?

ALL RIGHT?
[Touch HD Android Development] king831:
how can i download this,only text shows
[Touch HD Android Development] oNNoZeLe:
right click "save as"

been asked and replied several times.:D
[Touch HD Android Development] freespy:
right click "save as", or you can download these files using some download tools.
[Touch HD Android Development] Behold:
Surely if this could be done on the Blackstone it should help speed up development? Although not the best way to run android is through ubuntu surely you can launch android on top of it? with this you can work out what settings/drivers are required at the kernel level easier?

I could be wrong an might need to shut up....
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
I think this is not as you say... Ubuntu would be launched the same way as android is. So ubuntu would not help to android developement, but developement would be shared and useful fot both branches...

That's how I see it, maybe I'm wrong...
[Touch HD Android Development] sakkeus11:
Ubuntu works quite well!!!!!!!!!!

I finally got figure out myself how boot ubuntu in blackstone.

I just follow instructions in next page http://linuxomnia.sourceforge.net/Howto.pdf

and put zimage haret and default.txt in fat partition and start with haret.

It looks like it stop booting, but when you tab screen it start screen calib...:):):)
[Touch HD Android Development] sakkeus11:
attachs

Just unzip to fat
[Touch HD Android Development] juhonpieti:
Warm like hell !

I now tested the version from 20th november and it really runs like a charm on my Diamond.

My Wifi and 3g works well. I can wake up the phone after a while. BUT!!

Batteri drain. And the whole mobile gets verry verry warm. I am afraid it gone burn and crash the phone so i exit. I hope it fixes after new zimage.
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
can't wait to try ubuntu

hi guys!

I'm pretty happy with ubuntu running on blackstone!

just want to know if there's a way 2 format the sd properly from wseven... can't install desktop ubuntu today...
[Touch HD Android Development] fiki86:
what???? ubuntu running on your touch hd????

are u jokeing??
[Touch HD Android Development] sakkeus11:
Running ubuntu video

wach yourself :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4S65c2AyWhI
[Touch HD Android Development] Domskibus:
Thank you for the video!

Is it possible, that a upload a second one?! I'm interested how you can handle Ubuntu on the blackstone...

Thanks a lot!
[Touch HD Android Development] sakkeus11:
Maybe later if anyone else won`t.

It works quite well (like stylus touch move mouse cursor and tap is click)

screen calibration seems to be hard
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
Trying to boot ubuntu

Hi,

I followed all steps on the guide, but I'm still unable to boot ubuntu, neither with the "omina cab" (haret freezes) nor with sakkeus files (it asks me for an initrd, if I put the android's then it says there's no rootfs..)

Sakkeus, are you sure that your default.txt is right?
[Touch HD Android Development] pkshr:
Hi there,

I was reading the posts of Sakkeus and went to the linuxomnia site, have not checked myself but did you unzip the "omnibuntu-rootfs.tar.gz" files?
[Touch HD Android Development] kingofslide54:
I got it!

Ok, i managed to boot it, whit this default txt (sakkeus' one, but with the "omia" cmdline):

But I didn't manage to calibrate the screen, also. I'll try some things and tell you ;)