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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Shasarak:
What about the fact that it has hugely much more powerful hardware, a capacitive touch screen, better games, and better sound quality when playing music? Or the fact that it has a far superior and much more intuitive UI? Don't get me wrong, I own a TP2, and the iPhone was one of the options I rejected when choosing what to buy; but really, both are excellent devices. The TP2 is aimed more at business users with multimedia an afterthought, while the iPhone is primarily a multimedia device with business use an afterthought; but both are very good at what they do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] milmil:
It all depends on what kind of person you are and what's important to you..

The iPhone has it's advantages. It is easy to use out of the box, and has a lot of apps for it. The TP2 is close, but not quite there yet. There are less apps and still lots of "old Windows Mobile" holdbacks like small menus (ie. the left and right menus on the menu bar).

The iPhone's screen, being a capacitive screen, is also much more responsive than the TP2's resistive screens. However, the TP2's screen has a higher resolution and IMHO looks much nicer.

What is basically comes down to is, how much do you want to customize your phone?

If you want to change anything about the basic way the iPhone works, you can't. From what I understand, you can't even change the background on your home screen. This may not be the case for jailbroken phones, I'm not sure.

If some kind of snazzy new way of navigating comes out for the iPhone 4G or whatever, you can't upgrade to it. This is not the case for Windows Mobile phones. When WM6.5 came out, I know people that have flashed it to their old HTC touch pro phones. Yes, it takes some technical know-how, but once you do it you can get almost a brand new phone out of it.

The iPhone's browser is better than Opera, but it's pretty close now. And when a new browser comes out, you can use it on your TP2, whereas with Apply you are stuck with what Apple allows you to have.

I recently bought a Tilt2 for myself and an iPhone for my wife. I am technical, she is not. I care if my phone won't turn on using a specific button, she does not. So there you have it..

Now Android, that's a whole other ballgame :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
if you are a WM user and even consider of a iphone just go with the Iphone i have neve consider iphone ever...yes i have tried it and know the ends and out of the iphone more than more iphone user but WM is much better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] edmondt:
I am surprise to find that you can run WM6.5 and most likely WM7 on old device like Blue Angel, Prophet etc.

I'll just pretend to argue for a moment:

- It could also mean that the platform itself did not evolve much.

- Platform couldn't evolve much because the software are holding back evolution.

- There are too many Windows Mobile devices, means more QA time to ensure it works on the common hardware / resolutions etc. and less time for innovations.

iPhone; one device, Appstore does the final QA process so that it at least have a good looking icon.

I seriously hope that the Marketplace changes all that in the future, is everyone happy with the window mobile apps and games at this point?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Spike15:
I can run Windows 7 on a 10-year-old PC.

Your "argument" is total trash.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] edmondt:
How do you mean?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Spike15:
Your argument is based around the fact that the newer Windows Mobile OSes can be made to run on older hardware, and supposing that because of that, the platform [Windows Mobile] hasn't evolved that much.

This [your argument] is fallacious because 10 years ago the de facto operating system standard was Windows 98, Windows ME, perhaps Windows 2000.

I recently took a PC from this era, and installed Windows 7 on it. Windows 7 runs slower on this PC than it does on a more modern PC, granted, but it still runs acceptably.

Your argument, therefore, is trash, since most (all?) of the phones we're dealing with in this context, are not so ridiculously old, and therefore it is very plausible that they run a newer OS quite well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DV8Ways:
I read this in someone signature today and it is sooooooooo true and fits this thread...

Windows Mobile = Freedom

Apple iPhone = Fascism

I'd give credit but can't remember who...

Basically, if you want someone telling you how your phone should look, operate and preform, go with the iPhone... If you want the freedom to tinker and play with settings, layouts and preformance, Windows Mobile all the way...

Both have the ability to be plug and play devices... If this is how you plan to use it, as is, then go iPhone... As you stated, There are way more apps available to the iPhone user... But look out... Some of Microsoft recent developments show that there may still be some fight left in them... With the recent release of MarketPlace, the highly anticipated release of Windows Mobile 7 and Zune integration, it seems they are trying to spark up some competition by following in Apples footsteps...

Microsoft knows they have fallen way behind in the Mobile Phone market, especially when windows mobile is being referred to as a Legacy OS... Now it's time to take action...

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what they can do...

So, is it the Red Pill or the Blue Pill...? :confused: Choose wisely...!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] warrenmrogers:
You also have to consider that just because it is newer does not necessarily mean it requires more power. Development can improve power and performance, but do not forget that development can improve efficiency as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] warrenmrogers:
I will also note that I got my tp2 yesterday. Third windows mobile phone after a Mogul and a TP1. The TP2 is -VERY- similar to the tp1, which I expected, being that they have the same OS. I will have to concur with everything that has been said defining the differences so far in this thread.

I am a manager at a sprint store and -ALWAYS- describe windows mobile phones as the free-est (is that a word?) experience out of any phone I have owned. The countless modifications you can perform overwhelm any other smartphone I have owned [iPhone, Palm Pre, HTC Hero(which rocks too)] There is almost no limit to what you can customize in your WinMo device.

This also has its drawbacks. People who want a cookie cutter, out of the box, cool device should stick to an iPhone or a Palm Pre. Those who have the know-how and the desire to tweak their device should lean toward a windows mobile device. Apples and Oranges imo.

Good luck, I know you will enjoy whichever device you decide to use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] NilRecurring:
I've been a WinMo man since 2005, when I got my Dell Axim. When the Axim was obviously dying, I decided to be open-minded and gave the iPhone a try (borrowing it from a friend) before settling on HTC TP2.

I have to say I really liked iPhone for its consistency. You only need a finger a button, and after a couple of minutes you've figured out when to use which. Graphics performance is outstanding: you drag a picture or map and it stays glued to your finger without any sign of jerkiness. And generally, everything works the way it's supposed to.

By contrast, with TP2 there is no such consistency. You start off with your finger and after a while get annoyed and pull the stylus out, then after a minute you realize you need a keyboard and pull out that one too. Then you get bored of landscape mode and shove the keyboard in, then you put the stylus back in only to pull it out a minute later (iPhone is much easier to operate with one hand than TP2). And of course it takes a lot of effort to make many things run the way the're supposed to.

Ultimately, I got TP2 for many reasons: I didn't want to be a slave to Apple, I didn't want to be a slave to iTunes, and the fact that AT&T network sucks didn't help. There is so much more you can do with Windows Mobile: with a little patience, you can customize almost anything. There is a wealth of free applications that offer really important functionality, and it doesn't feel like somebody is trying to control every one of your steps.

So I just have to agree with the others: for a lay user iPhone is the better choice but if you are technically inclined WinMo devices are more interesting and offer way more opportunities.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Spike15:
I must have better hand-eye co-ordination than everyone, but I never pull out the stylus unless I'm hand-writing notes ( :3 ) or I'm using regedit.

The only time I miss buttons is when I'm trying to select a new artist / song from the list in Windows Media Player while driving.

And seriously, when you're watching the road and operating a touchscreen out of the corner of your eyes...the icons could be the size of Texas...you'd still miss...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] warrenmrogers:
I prefer to think of the stylus and keyboard as advantages. Texting/reading emails/writing emails while driving is a terrible idea. Like most terrible ideas, I have done it before. A lot. Having used a Mogul and Touch Pro before a Palm Pre, an iPhone, a Hero and a Samsung Moment, I find myself reaching for the stylus occasionally for the increased accuracy. I cannot stand even the most intuitive touch screen keyboard. I hate the Mogul, Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, iPhone, Hero and Instinct virtual keyboards equally. Having to slide out the keyboard? I am grateful that this advanced, useful and stylish equipment allows me that convenience.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Spike15:
I am equally grateful.

However, I'm enraged that the HD2 won't offer this...

>_>
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gold:
i've been using winmo devices since 2004 when i bought a motorola mpx200 and i've been using windows since 3.1, i've used every windows in both platforms until then. the thing i can say about windows in general is it is evolving indeed. you can't even compare a win 3.1 or even 95 with xp or especially with 7 imo and same goes for wm 2003 and 6.5.

saying windows isn't evolving based on it can be run by older devices is just dumb (no offence intended) being a former computer science engineering student i can say that the most important thing our instructors were telling us was when you programme improve your coding to require less ram and cpu power and modulate. especially win 7 does this perfectly. so it is basicly good programming rather than a not evolving platform.

about iphone vs tp2, i prefer tp2. i've used my friends' iphone 2g and 3g (i even jailbreaked and unbricked 2g actually and tried to teach how to use the 3g to the other one so you can say i tampered with both of them for a pretty good time) i truly hated both of them. i am not saying this because i want to trash iphone i understand why some people may like it but it is just no good for me. simple example: when i went into the settings i was like "what this is it??" and no multitasking? thanks but no thanks.

let's return to good programming and not evolving issue for iphone. iphone 2g os was ~250 mb, our HTC wm6.5 is what 175 mb custom roms are 130-140 mb. the nice things iphone does are because of its larger os. what apple is doing is just putting an enormous os to a phone and expecting their fast cpu to be able to handle it. i don't know about 3g s but the others weren't handling it so much imo. that's why it has no multitasking i guess, because it is barely handling the os.

and not evolving? let's take a look at iphone history. what's is the difference between 2g-3g and 3g s again? i am so glad it can now copy-paste and take videos btw (can't remember how long i've been doing these with a winmo phone). maybe even some day apple releases a 3g-sx or something and iphone users can even use video call :)

conclusion is you may like iphone i don't iphone has its advantages tp2 has its own but let's not be silly by saying win platform is not evolving because it can be run by older devices especially when iphone's "evolving" is well known
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] GermanGuy:
Why do these iPhone/Touch Pro2 comparisons keep coming up? They each have their advantages and disadvantages just like the Macs and PCs. This is a TouchPro2 forum, so obviously the bias will be towards the TouchPro2. There are numerous threads already on this. You like to play games, get the iPhone. You want your phone for business, get the TouchPro2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] NilRecurring:
One thing I really miss on TP2 is scroll buttons I had on my Axim. Now, iPhone doesn't have them either, but I found its finger scrolling works much better than on TP2. I often view pages in landscape just to make use of page up/page down buttons. I tried VolDPad to configure the volume buttons for scrolling but it's very buggy and the volume buttons are not too comfortable for scrolling anyway. BTW, what I liked best about myTouch was the trackball (you don't know what you're missing until you've tried it), but that's for another discussion.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] NilRecurring:
Agreed. Compared to Apple, Microsoft is much more open and less intrusive. Apple has already become an evil empire, and Google seems to be going there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Spike15:
The only time an Apple product has advantages, is if you like bending over and being sodomized by Steve Jobs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] richabi:
there are pros and cons to each. I stick with WinMo for the above statement that is not restricted.

If you want iphone apps but want open source - Google Android. Get yourself an Android phone. There are a lot of winmo developers that dig the droid. Development for android has soared and its only going to get better and more extensive next year. Every useful iphone app I have came across, I had no trouble finding on android marketplace.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] krisez:
Just to weigh in on this discussion, I have a TP2 and a 3GS-32gb...

i carry them together, and i use the iphone for internet and email and music, and the TP2 for phone, messaging, some email, internet sharing, GPS.

i would NEVER give up the TP2 for the iphone, its just a bunch of nicely packaged gimmicks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] madnish30:
In my opinion these points killed the iPhone 2g/3g/3gs !

And i love the sarcasm in the end

In my opinion (no offense though ! )

iPhone is for dolls ! plastic dolls ! who need everything in a platter can't just transfer a CAB and install it !

They can take out a stylus and navigate things !

They want to be like the whole world is ( blindly following)

They are lazy and lack interest in discovering a whole new experiance of tweaking/playing around with devices.

They are accepying the rigidity of a company hands down...

and encourging the company to be more rigid and restrictive than it is buy creating a line miles long to buy the " iPhone " .

Windows mobile all the way for me !

iPhone should be banned or should be for barbie doll girls !

NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE WHATSOEVER
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DannyBoy:
I just started a new thread comparing these two and someone kindly stuck a link to this one.

I've read all the comments here and the thread I started and much as it pains me to say it, I'm still not hearing anything to convince me to bin the 3GS :(

The only thing that seems to be coming up against it is the controlling factor of Apple but I had the thing Jailbroken and thousands of App's, Games, MP3's and video's installed within 30 mins of unwrapping it. I can customize anything to hearts content.

Please understand, I really want to hate the iphone and what it represents but no one can tell me one thing that my TP2 does (or does better) than the 3GS.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ayaskant12:
i agree with dannyboy

iphone has everything going for it except multitasking!!

But its our faith and trust in microsoft tat they will bounce back!

We all love movies where the Underdog tries hard and comes out winner

Its the same human spirit tat is keeping us with WM

We know it will bounce back in near future and we will keep supporting it,

till then u enjoy ur iphone and remember this day and the day wen MICROSOFT bounces,You all iphone loyals wud run for cover!!

COZ WE WILL KICK UR ASS....

(see the ZUNE HD for example,its now way ahead than the ipod touch

just put a phone module in it and it will kick apples ass big time!!

Apps will always come to this device anyways!!)

i had a iphone 2g 8gb loved it, cud hav bought the 3GS but i ordered the TP2

Coz i want to emerge the winner from beneath and create my own following than keep following someone!!

These are qualities of a LEADER and i know we will lead you to follow us soon.....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] madnish30:
Dude your mind is stuck on the iphone then why the debate just make someone's day and sell the TP2 to him/her !

Enjoy "the iphone"

You got a stuck mind and you want people to convince you see you can't be convinced cause inside you don't wish to be.

So its not worth a thread.

Enjoy " the iphone "

And seriously you can't expect people to support the apple **** cuz this forum is about windows and windows devices not apple...........

So maybe you should post this on a apple forum....

Take care.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] GermanGuy:
Here we go again. Get/stay with the iPhone and go on with your life. It is a great phone. You have lots of fun games. You will always know where you parked your car (because there is an app for that). You have something to talk about with your mother-in-law who also owns one. Don't forget to charge it regularly. The rest of us will continue to tweak our TP2 to our liking.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] :
Top ten reasons i avoided the iphone

That was cold... :)

But seriously, the Iphone has its plusses: the bling factor......the bling factor (oh, I said that already). Well, the Iphone has its plus: the bling factor.

I bought a TP2 after months of deliberation and was not disappointed.

Here are my top ten reasons why I did not buy an Iphone:

1. The Jesus-mania surrounding the phone was a turn off. It's a phone for heaven's sake.

2. I will NEVER go back to ATT, their customer service is a nightmare.

3. Basic functionality I needed was simply not there, such as internet sharing.

4. The total cost of ownership was too high. See how much good old Stevie boy will charge you for replacing a battery or even consulting their "geniuses." What a crock!

5. No multitasking.

6. Most of the apps I saw were worthless web frontends or just plain gimmicky with limited function. If I want to know where I parked my car, I can use any of a number of free winmo apps to do it, but they can do that and usually much more. (Some games are nice though.)

7. The idea that I could not buy a phone and tweak it to my heart's content without worrying that the next "patch" would brick it was an insult to my wallet and my intelligence.

8. Lacking in upgradeability.

9. The closed nature of the OS and Apple's concomitant we're the greatest and "you're SOL" attitude.

10.The Iphone is a toy: it's a media player that just happens to have pim software and a phone module.

Besides do I really want to have the same phone as my mother-in-law? That's just creepy.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ariel123:
i have an iphone 3g unlocked for tmo usa i been trying to sell it for 300 but people only want to give me 200 but aneways i only find the iphone useful for when on date and the girl is like omg you have an iphone and in the back of my head i say omg are you going to blow me. but all jokes aside the iphone a very boring phone its limited to what you can do and you cant even download anything through the phone besides the app store and itunes. you cant flash roms no internet sharing you cant use your iphone to provide wifi for your laptop you have to pay for everything thats good i dont like the keyboard when on vibrate if your walking you wont feel it and if you really look closely to the corner of the screen you dont get all of the screen size which annoys me at times when looking at the time but hey like every phone has its cons it also has its pros and the one thing i do like about the iphone is that connect 4 game that you c an play against other people online ah man if there was only a way i can get on my tp2 if anayone knows please let me know also forgot to add lmao my mother in does own an iphone
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hanson68:
Typing. Not only is the soft keyboard on the iPhone crap, you can only see a few lines at a time because it takes up most of the screen. If you just want to peck a few characters it's bearable, but if you actually want to type anything of substance, it's unusable.

I use Remote Desktop constantly, and having it running in WVGA rocks. Running RDP in HVGA is a nightmare.

Videos are bigger and better looking on WVGA than HVGA.

Game emulation.

You don't have to use iTunes. iTunes is exactly the kind of software that Apple users point to as the reason they don't use Windows -- it's bloated, unstable, and they update it every other day which requires a full reinstallation. I think Apple does it on purpose to frustrate Windows owners.

You are not shackled to AT&T's service or plans.

TP2 can be used as a wireless AP.

I can network with Windows computers. I can transfer files wirelessly to my desktop via Wifi.

I know some of these can be done if you jailbreak your iPhone, but Microsoft is not actively trying to brick my TP2 because I am running hacks and tweaks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] madnish30:
WOW ! Guys i just love it when someone flushes that goo goo dolls phone **** like this !

wow !

i agree with each and every point !

Windows all the way !

Hope the author and other people looking for the answer got it BECAUSE if you ask such a question on a WINDOWS forum you can expect any different answers !

Keep it up guys !

Keep the iphone away from here !

Cheers !
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DannyBoy:
You've got the wrong end of the stick my friend.

I am very loyal to WM/HTC and thats the whole reason for my post. I was REALLY hoping someone could convince me to keep the TP2. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] madnish30:
All i have to say is that if you were really loyal you would have never got that junk !

And now that your stuck on it trust me no body can change ur opinion ( no matter how good bad points we tell ) it is u only who can change the opinion in ur mind.

rest is for you to decide.

Take care :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ayaskant12:
those who think iphone is a junk are seriously mistaken!!

iphone is one of the best OS ever made!!

it has everything but the Policy of apple sucks!!

they cud hav included everything from beginning but............

After jailbreaking u can customize everthing from widgets to lockscreen to video wallpapers to Multitasking using Backgrounder!!

And lots but still i bought WM coz i know WM7 is cooking!!

You can see all the new devices of winmo have exactly same buttons!!

even from diff companies!!

that means microsoft hav started to fix some strict regulation for Hardware architecture!! NO MORE ****IN USE OF OMAP 200Mhz ****

All the present hardware may be compatible for future WM7 OS and that brings water in my mouth!!

COME ON MICROSOFT DELIVER THE KNOCKOUT PUNCH!!

WE KNOW YOU HAV ALREADY DONE IT IN PAST DO IT ONCE MORE!!!!!!!