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[HD2 General] zhix:
i think my problem has been resolved. currently on my 3rd day without anys tuck SMS .. whereas I used to see it every hour or so.

this is what i did.

01. Hard Reset

02. Install ALL hotfixes

03. Install SIM Card/Radio Upgrade
[HD2 General] kenkiller:
Did the exact same sequence. No go, sms stuck again soon after that.
[HD2 General] Mindreaver:
Sending a text message to yourself also helps. Friends started asking why I was sending them pretty useless messages :P

I thought installing new ROMs and fixes solved my problem too, but that was just an illusion :P After a few days without problems, they just got stuck in my outbox again...
[HD2 General] tsttse:
sigh i got this problem with a Hong Kong machine with hot fix installed... the message was stuck in outbox but I didnt notice (I thought i checked).... but it didnt send out the original sms until the next day when I sent out a completely different sms altogether...
[HD2 General] lanwin:
It seems HTC have release a new SMS Update. Saw it via Update RSS Feed. Installing it now.

http://www.htc.com/www/supportDownload.aspx?p_id=297&cat=0&dl_id=849
[HD2 General] Mindreaver:
Thanks for telling us :)

Just installed it, let's hope it works...

So far the 4 messages I had to send went out great, but we all know that doesn't mean anything :P
[HD2 General] padlad:
Thanks for the heads up, i've uninstalled the previous one and installed this one, funny how the new one is over 1.5mb smaller file size though? If they keep coming out with these 'hotfixes' we will not have any room left to install them!
[HD2 General] padlad:
The 'unable to type out a fresh message while previous messages are loading' bug has been sorted but all the older messages have 'GSM' on the end of every message. Is it me or is the HTC Messaging app a bit laggy now after the new hotfix has been installed?
[HD2 General] arcades:
I had such problem with SMS sending many times on my HTC HD2 (Leo).

I've sent about 3-4 sms. Then my friends called me and asked me why didn't I reply to their SMS's. I said that I replied, but as I discovered no one received answer from my phone.

When I did a Soft-Reset (Restarted device) - all mesages become delivered.

What a CRAP BUG! It really annoys, when I've bought mobile phone for 600 Euro and I can't be sure that my SMS will be delivered. So, why HTC HD2 is better then a Brick ? No difference.
[HD2 General] lanwin:
Keep cool, bugs are happen! And they happen also on other devices from different manufactures. But not like other devices HTC provides software updates and you dont have to move to the next so shop to flash a new update.

If you would have read a few posts above, there is a new update. You should try it before you turn on the waters.

Even with this bug, the HTC messaging app is much more better the then default messaging from WiMo. I learned to hate it on my old Tytn II since it took 5 seconds before it opens the conversion when you have more then 2 messages in there.
[HD2 General] chimpsinties:
I noticed the "GSM" at the end of every text message.

They've probably left some debug code in the hotfix by accident. Very professional ;) It also overlaps other text at some point so it looks more obvious it's not meant to be there. Someone will be getting told off for that :o

Have you also noticed that now it says "Limited to 10 recipients" when you are creating a new message. I wonder why they've done that? :confused: :eek: Not that I'm bothered.
[HD2 General] Jammie_1989:
Luckily HTC will include them in the next official ROM update if needed they will most likely remove parts of WM6.5 which arn't needed to make space :D
[HD2 General] chimpsinties:
Did anyone else notice this?

If it's loading up a conversation and you start typing that's ok but once it's finished loading the conversation you stop being able to see what you're typing without moving up and down a bit which makes the keyboard disappear. Hmm? Improvement?

Hopefully they've at least fixed the most basic functionality flaw since mobiles were invented. Actually being able to send SMS's reliably.
[HD2 General] tkoutal:
I installed the new sms function update this morning and guess what..

IT DOESN'T FIX THE PROBLEM!!

What will it take??? Doesn't anybody from HTC read this post???

This is probably not an SMS problem. The SMS problem is a side effect.

This is obviously a radio problem or something similar. The phone starts, it works perfectly for a while until without any notice it stops connecting to the pc, it stops updating the weather and... it stops sending SMSes.

It only took a few hours of light use to do it again.. how do they publish a hotfix??? Don't they test it first??

So... I believe we're back to where we were... zero.
[HD2 General] zenkinz:
sounds like a different problem where your phone seems to hang.

previous problem with sms occurs w/o affecting the rest of the phone functionality, including data download.
[HD2 General] tkoutal:
I believe it has already been mentioned exactly as I describe it. It is all connected. after a few hour of use where the phone has updated the weather several times and also connected and disconnected quite a few times with the pc it suddenly stops connecting. by that time it is most certain tbat the smses will get stuck in the outbox even if I havent sent any other sms by that time..
[HD2 General] Archer:
Erm, I know we all say they read this forum, but this is not the HTC support forum. If you've got a problem then you need to tell them, rather than just moan on here.

Not having a go - just suggesting that you get in touch with the source of the issue.
[HD2 General] tkoutal:
You're right.. It's just that this is not some local small forum and after so many reported similar problems I would expect somebody to sit down and read for their own interest.. So maybe yes it's time to report to the source although the problem has been mentioned similarly so many times on the 71 pages of this post.. anyway.. thanks
[HD2 General] arcades:
Thanks, I will try this new update.

I believe it's serious WM problem with SMS sending. Hope WM 7 will be more stable.

But I really Wonder how HTC sells mobile phones which have such BUG's with SMS sending? It's one of the most common Phone functions... They definitely should test products more accurate. I can hardly tolerate other bugs, but when I can't be sure that information will be delivered to recipient... it's a real HTC Fail. And you can notice how much time passed before they released SMS hotfix, which is much more important than Card Capacity hotfix.

Hope this hotfix will work and I'll write here if I see any improvement.
[HD2 General] tdmsdeano:
I'm still amazed they had such an obvious bug yet only addressed it now and obviously haven't even picked it up pre-release (or maybe they did but couldn't fix it). As mentioned SMS is one of the most used features :D

the latest fix (14/01/10) does allow faster reply although it now has a message counter for each contact that shows in all messages and also within the contact messages. Problem being when you open a message contact it then slows down it's responsiveness as it loads all the conversation and increases the counter for each one. So therefore you have to type slower until it loads all messages for that contact. If you exit that contacts messages and go back it doesn't load them again so it much be caching it somewhere

an improvement on speed to be able to reply but still a bit of an issue if it decides to load the complete message conversation again forcing you to type slower

I don't know about everyone else but it also adds - GSM to all previous messages that sometimes overlaps the time of the message
[HD2 General] kenkiller:
Oookay....the latest "sms fix" doesn't work.

Back to default WM Messaging.

HTC has dropped the ball 3 times in regards to sms...what will they do next? :D
[HD2 General] kel1ng:
Maybe they will just drop the device in all.......:p
[HD2 General] luffyp:
How do you go to deafault WM messaging? Is it possible to use WM messaging and HTC sense at the same time? Thanks
[HD2 General] Rydaro:
Yes, i have noticed the same thing but you can just go on typing. At a certain point it will show your text just fine.
[HD2 General] chimpsinties:
Yeah but that's not really acceptable is it. :mad: Surely if they're working on this they should get it right instead of just rushing fixes (that might not even fix it) out the door? Where is their QA department? :eek: :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] DexyG:
Works for me. What problems are you having? The outbox issue?
[HD2 General] mrdec:
Detail, clearly not their strong suit.

Oh well, Im tired of winging, and it seems that we haven`t really been able to recreate the problem consistently. I believe they definitely know its broken and have to fix it, or they will be taking a significant loss. I dig the device on so many levels, that I suppose I will just eat the random sms crap until they get it right. :mad: Simply, if I from time to time dont get a sent report I reboot and send a messge to self and carry on. Its a pain its unnacceptable, but I will compromise and stick with it while it is still unmatchable in the market. I do though think a month is more than enough though to get it together.
[HD2 General] Masterslice:
Yes, same to me! I installed the update this night and wrote a sms and got the same problem..

Now to start writing a new sms to a contact and work under sms inbox works fine after the update!

And the problem with 12# while typing a sms isn't fixed also..
[HD2 General] mbhmirc:
meh thought the fix had worked for me, guess not....
[HD2 General] PJTOUCHHD:
not worked here either, I could spent £30 on a phone which would perform better than this! wish i'd have kept my HD...:(
[HD2 General] drpuma:
support

Has anyone been in contact with the htc support after installing the update and having trouble? What have they fixed so far? Are they still working on updates or do they believe that the issue is fixed? Sms:ing still is working fine for me... (1.43 swe rom)
[HD2 General] astrodemoniac:
I confirm that my HD2 too still suffers the stuck outbox message issue even after this patch. Let's hope it will soon be resolved.
[HD2 General] novalistic:
Crazy . . . I'm going crazy . . . :mad:

When I 1st installed the New Fix "LEO08007.exe" . . it Works!

Now . . . What happen . . . :mad:

The problem came back . .

Stuck in OUT BOX again, even worst the Font Size become Larger, Real BIG.

Want to reinstall . . .

This time it say something like "Not Compatible to your Device" :mad:

hTC hTC, you better do something . . . What is a phone cannot even properly perform a simple SHORT MESSAGE SERVICE :mad: :mad: :mad:
[HD2 General] novalistic:
I carry out SMS about 2 - 30 messages daily ..........

They are driving me crazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzy :mad: :mad: :mad:
[HD2 General] amitambika:
I had written a letter to HTC Taiwan office signed it and faxed it for the SMS and other problems with their support.Perhaps it would be a better idea to do that than just emails
[HD2 General] Jammie_1989:
Mine used to do this about 3 times a day hard reset installed hotfix. It's been about 22 hours and not one problem yet. Will post if it happens if I go 3 days without a sms problem I suggest you all hard reset then install.

I will let you know incase you hard reset and loose anything.

:D
[HD2 General] amitambika:
Is there any programme which can let us execute application with a schedule.I would like to restart the phone every day at the same time automatically.I think this will atleast solve the SMS application temporarily
[HD2 General] Jammie_1989:
Mine still hasn't messed up :D
[HD2 General] FrankCastle:
i can confirm that my hd2 still has the outbox sms stuck issue after the latest patch :(

i have also noticed that this seems to coinside with my weather not automatically updating also..

working in I.T i always knew there were going to be teething problems with the HD2 upon initial release - but after 2 SMS patches and the problem still occuring, my faith in it being resolved seems to be dying quickly :(
[HD2 General] BLAST3RR:
Also still having the problem. Only works again after soft-reset and then sending one new sms out. Then it sends the rest too. Really getting tired of this bull****.. :mad:

Have sent the following to the HTC customer support:
[HD2 General] vagelisv:
Hello, I can confirm the problem persists after the update. I don't know if it has to do with it but the messaging worked fine until I installed BSB tweaks. I don't think this has nothing to do with it but I am just mentioning it
[HD2 General] neonplanet40:
I can confirm its also still present after the bug. A phone that cant text and costs £500. Whats the catch? O wait...
[HD2 General] ORiZorrie:
I just don't understand why they don't fix this :s SMS is one of the most important features of a phone right?
[HD2 General] Pixel:
Playing devil's advocate, given that this is an intermittent issue (for most people) which seems to be somehow radio/network related, maybe there developers are genuinely unable to replicate this.

Having been a developer in the past, the hardest thing to do is track down intermittent bugs that you can't replicate.
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC HD2 messages get stuck in the outbox BUG

Same situation here I am prying for a new phone replacement and this time it wont be HTC.

To much is to much :mad:
[HD2 General] Shockwave Pyrotechnics:
I've had the issue return again now. I also deliberately left mine on ROM 1.43 too, so it don't work with any of them, this really is a joke..... I think my HD2 is going on Ebay now, I can't wait any longer, and this is the last time I buy an HTC unfortunately..

Oh, I forgot to add.... since applying the update, a couple of time when turning my bluetooth on and off, it's sort of hung when trying to do so, so I've done a soft reset, and after that I lose my e-mail account settings and my mms settings also disappear... they've certainly made it worse in my case!
[HD2 General] apemonkeyman:
Oops

Despite having applied the new SMS fix (re-downloaded it this weekend), this morning I had another stuck SMS in my outbox.

I am wondering if this could be tied to a problem with H as it failed to send whilst on H. Since I disabled H (not 3G) & rebooted it has now been sent.

I have found that when the phone is displaying H, incoming calls have been greeted with a network message stating that "there has been a fault". Happens in Newport, Wales & Gloucester, England (50 miles apart).

I look forward to HTC releasing patches that work. I have been a user of HTC WinMo devices for 7 years now & really would like them to reward my loyalty with some quality support for my HD2.
[HD2 General] drpuma:
withdrawn

Have you noticed that htc has withdrawn the latest SMS-function update? I suppose they still are working on the problem atleast....
[HD2 General] thenomadsoul:
I've never had any sms problem. Now, after the last sms hotfix, I've found my first sms stuck in the outbox.. wtf is HTC doing?? instead of solving problems they are creating new ones..

this totally sucks..
[HD2 General] chimpsinties:
I've got to admit I'm glad they pulled it but a bit miffed that I installed it before they did.

As I said in an earlier post, it had bugs in it that were obviously just oversights because it was rushed out.

-GSM

-Not working right as it loaded conversation and made it so you couldn't see what you were typing.

Totally shoddy workmanship :eek:
[HD2 General] ~Johnny:
-GSM tag was added by the PREVIOUS SMS patch, not the new one. It was only noticed in the new one as the prevoius patch added it but didn't show it. The new one stopped adding it to texts and stopped filtering it our of view.

Still, shame it doesn't work. Release a phone that can't send text's properly? Over 3 months and still not fixed it? Bloody hell.
[HD2 General] Towserspvm2000:
Let me re-phrase that, and say what you really meant....

Release a top of the range, all-singing, all-dancing phone, that can't send texts properly, that is - in theory - the second most important feature of a phone, after actual phone calling? Over 3 months, and still not fixed? Insert very strong language here - far stronger than bloody hell. ;)
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
NOT simply HTC's fault surely?

I can't understand what is causing this. I'm on T-Mobile in the UK; i've used three HD2s including a prototype PRO.THREE and have experienced absolutely no delays or messages going into outboxes.

Since I installed the latest Touch It ROM only a few days ago I have a combined in/outbox of over 800 messages; I have just checked my outbox and there is not a single deferred message in there, nor have I had any complaints from anyone in the past three months about delayed replies.

Occasionally I would get delayed texts coming IN on my iPhone 3g, particularly when using a TurboSIM but I have had no problems whatsoever with T-Mobile UK and the HD2.

Both T-Mobile and Vodafone use the same band frequency so it can't be a problem there, so I am of the firm belief that it is not a hardware, radio firmware or messaging software fault, but a glitch somewhere else - perhaps with the default setup that the phone goes through when it initially detects a new SIM: perhaps some providers' setup tweaks create a bug in the Messages app which makes it think it's sending an MMS and defer sending...this is pure conjecture but all I can add is that it is not a fault with the messaging app per ce otherwise everyone would suffer the same problem, would they not?

Just for the record I've tried every radio going, along with a shedload of custom ROMs. One thing that may be of interest is that with one of the first ROMs I tried my MMS messages kept going into the outbox and never sending, even though I knew for a fact that all my settings were right and I was happily able to browse. No amount of settings tinkering fixed this and I had to flash a different ROM......I know this isn't EXACTLY relevant but it makes me wonder if it is simply the case that a glitch with HTC Setup is causing a similar problem with simple SMS for Voda and other users.

The plot thickens.
[HD2 General] jimsteach:
I agree, something doesnt quite add up here. I have been using an o2 HD2 now for a month, in that time I have probably sent well over a thousand texts. I have never had one get stuck. This is with using the standard o2 ROM and with the 1.61 stock ROM. I have installed the latest fix and it has sorted the annoying text loading issue but has a slight bug when it selects the previous text when typing a reply, no big problem as you just touch the reply text window and it comes back. maybe this is a faulty hardware issue only effecting a percentage of handsets?
[HD2 General] myth1001:
I've used this phone for more than 2months and this problem (msg stucked in outbox) has happened twice.

I've noticed, on both times, the problem started when i tried texting when I was in underground (where signal comes on and off throughout the train journey).

When the problem happened, I can't change my keyboard layout and soft reset is the only way out.

Perhaps i should stop texting when there is no signal and hopefully will keep it from happening again.
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC Sms hot fix update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.

I don't think so , I am with 3g China Unicom and I start getting this bug since 5 days ago and my reception is perfect have all the bars there
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC Sms hot fix update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.

I guess the only way for HTC to fix this problem, is forcing us no to send sms :eek:
[HD2 General] leoni1980:
I suspect signal strength is not the issue, although if one were to have no signal whatsoever i would expect for the device to put the message in an outbox, but perhaps make it a little more obvious than it does!

Anyway my point was that it may not be anything to do with carrier signal strength but with a glitch brought about by the initial automated carrier setup process that the phone undergoes when a different sim card is inserted, which does not affect most profiles but causes problems with the way Messaging responds with some carriers.

I am no expert and this is pure hypothsis but the phone setup is one thing ALL users will undergo that will create a variation in phone settings, and through which a possible glitch could occur...it seems apparent to me that this is no hardware problem or else everyone would be experiencing it....
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC Sms hot fix update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.

Just find this on another treads, something about Pinch-Zoom

Just saw this: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/...d2-sms-hotfix/

Any one experiencing the same problem? (Pinch-to-zoom) no longer working in file explorer).

Waiting t'ill an SMS ges stuck to find out myself.
[HD2 General] Bimme:
yes same problem. no pinch2zoom in file explorer when the problem occure...

cant turn on Bluetooth but wifi is working...

no location update possible (weather)...

today i watched when the problem begins. i was searching in file explorer for big files in my internal memory. downloaded location weather right bevor. The device freeze for 5-10 seconds. Cant scroll and click in file explorer... After i tried immdiately the pinch2zoom with no sucess, tried to download weather 3min after last try with no sucess....

softreset...back to normal...

this is driving me crazy :o

ps: ive not entered or viewed a sms at this time, not even tried to send anything. HTCMessaging was running in the background...

Maybe there is no problem with sending SMS, but any other service running in the background -which HTCmessaging need to operate correct- crashes ??!
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC Sms hot fix update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging.

I think this must be mail to HTC I did it but more people needs to do so maybe this is the beginning:) of the salution
[HD2 General] zenkinz:
I think this is more of a symptom of problem, rather than a cause to the problem (i.e. sms stuck). When sms stuck, the volume overlay picker doesn't work as well.

*sniped off a section which proves to be useless*.
[HD2 General] eddie_wakey:
just for the record, also another maybe serious side affect,

when the sms in outbox bug occurs, any alarm will not make an alert sound, the phone will just light up, nearly made me late for work this morning!
[HD2 General] mooooooa:
Oh my god. Is it therefor the alarm doesn't sound and only light up? ****! Thanks for sharing that. Now we have to check the outbox everytime we turn the alarm on? :mad: Damn it HTC, what a shame
[HD2 General] eddie_wakey:
yeah that's the case mate! 2 alarms should have gone off, neither made a sound, just popped up with notifications !
[HD2 General] mooooooa:
Hmm. Now I got the actually reason for coming late at school yesterday: The SMS-problem. It's actually kind of funny.. A SMS being stock in the outbox, and i'm late at school? :D Do you see the connection? :D
[HD2 General] SOLRAC13:
HTC HD2 messages get stuck in the outbox

lol remember HTC Sms hot fix update delivers just that: fast and reliable SMS messaging. :D
[HD2 General] rzasharp:
NB: this post was written is this thread, page 46

Has anyone tried this? Myself, I don't suffer this SMS stuck in outbox issue, but I really don't use data connection that much. Furthermore, I'm using a similar software, Bandswitch, that I find better than WMLongLife, since it "really" cut the data connection after a given idle...
[HD2 General] Bimme:
i was never connected through a data connection when the problem occured...
[HD2 General] myth1001:
I've Wmlonglife installed on my device since week 1, but the sms stucked in outbox problem still happened on me ( only twice though).