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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] OQOHTC:
Hi All, found the tellme cab file on a Samsung forum. One of the posters said you need to install Voice command first to get it to work. I already had it installed so can't confirm that it's required but have attached a cab for that as well.

Although the application seems to install properly and works to some extent there seems to be an error (which I can't read as it's cut off) with the speech to text (the best feature) possibly due to my location.

For info, installing voice command on my diamond gave an error but works quite well anyway. I'm running a winmo 6.5.1 build.

Maybe others will have better luck.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DIVJIQMZ
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] jonwantsdadsphone:
HTC Wizard running 6.5.0.0

i was able to get it to work once but now i recieve the "that didn't catch" stuff
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.

So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.

The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.

Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.

I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.

HD2, suck my pole..!
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
It's true that no TV Out is sad, but in which case should it be usefull?

I always have my computer when i want to watch thing on "big" screen...
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.
[HD2 General] Pooper:
Wait til the Tegra phones start coming out, then it's more likely to happen.
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
I think the usefulness of TV out speaks for itself which is why it is already on the main contender flagship phones and on other HTC devices. Watching movies with freinds, showing photo slidehows with family, business presentations etc, the uses are endless.
[HD2 General] 12aon:
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
[HD2 General] shu8i:
One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
This comes from the frustration I have witht he HD v1 and HTC's dealing with drivers and video performance (still unaddressed). like me a lot of people were hoping this was going to be the phone the HD1 wasnt, disapointment, not anger really.
[HD2 General] mallman:
haha, well said. +1
[HD2 General] kinnyfaifai:
+1 here as well.

I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. Yes, the mobile phone market is now about having as many features as possible on 1 device, but how many people make use of all the features? The more features they can cram into one device the more compromises they make over the quality of them all. There's two lists of requirements, 'must haves' and 'nice to haves', video call, TV-out better camera are all part of the nice to have list. HTC has always been a business oriented company focusing on the needs of the business and they have never set out to be the best of the best. It's was only when Samsung and Apple arrived on the scene that everyone demanded HTC to be more consumer focused. HTC are making slow progress to addressing this issue and they'll slowly get there. Look at Blackberries, they're still going strong and most of their phones have half the features we're expecting these days.

So, if you don't like the HD2, don't complain, you either like it or hate it! Move on!
[HD2 General] Jojo100:
TOUCH HD vs. OMNIA II vs. HD 2

Hello

I'm coming from an ETEN X500 over a N95 for two years and I want to go back to touchscreen now. I know the usage of the HD from a friend of mine, the Iphone and I have played around for 3 Hours last Thursday with the OMNIA II i8000.

The result is, that the OMNIA has TV Out but you can not use this thing in everydays life. Its awfull slow, the UI is horrible and the touchscreen is bad.

The AMOLED is great, ok. But at the end I think Samsung needs about 2 generations of phones to reach the Touch HD. And if the HD 2 is only half as good as the reviews say its much better than the Samsung devices.

The lag of TV-Out is sad anyway.

Bye
[HD2 General] precsmo:
your posting is just to personal. I saw numerous complaints about lack video out, but I'm sure just a small amount of users like you will be disappointed, but is this a real deal breaker? It doesn't bother me a tiny bit at all. I was disappointed only by the lack of front camera, but I wouldn't make a thread trying to tell everyone HD2 sucks because it doesn't have one for me. How many phones are that perfect so far? HD2 is pretty much the most perfect phone to me and I'm sure to many others that didn't even bother about your complaint here.:(:(
[HD2 General] arifqur:
You are one Cool dude
[HD2 General] Ethania:
Signed!

Another +1
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
lol, what a load of lovely "emotional" reactions, if you agree with 12aon's post, in that you actually understand what he was saying then some of you should be asking youselves why you bothered to post and did not just ignore my comments...
[HD2 General] sexililstut:
...

lol damn right, +10
[HD2 General] addyb:
Im not buying the HD2 because i dont like the boot screen!

:p
[HD2 General] Edvard_Greig:
+1

I don't see the need for TV out either...with a 360 and upnp I can stream from any of my laptops etc, and frankly if I'm brining media elsewhere I'm not going to cross my fingers that whereever I go is going to have the right connector (vga vs hdmi vs component vs svideo vs rca etc).

It's too bad that this is such an important thing to you- my real concerns are lack of a d-pad, but even that won't stop me from picking one of these up like free booze at an AA convention.
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.
[HD2 General] 12aon:
I am no HD Owner but from my raph point of perspective this is a pretty decent upgrade and I feel after all this time squeezing the most out of my raph that this phone out of the box doesn't need any squeezing. When I will cook a ROM for this phone I'm going to make sure that everthing that works now is stays that way and loose the extra's.

If you have a chance to test it or check it out, I would recommend doing so you might be a little more suprised then you suspect. That being said there are still a couple of decent devices in HTC's line up, and if you are HTC HD you might just have to hold on to your HD for a bit, as its probably to young for you to throw it aside :),

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[HD2 General] stoolzo:
perhaps to have a true perspective on my comments you need to be be a HD owner, I agree it will be a welcome upgrade from a raph speedwise but you will be losing your keyboard.

doesnt anyone else think it odd that by now there arent not any phonemakers that have got it exactly right yet?, the tech is out there but there is always something not quite there with every phone that comes out.
[HD2 General] donnaw:
well, I live in the US

and I would be happy just to be able to get one unlocked and able to get 3g here. I guess we all have our priorities but at least you have a lot more options than some of us.
[HD2 General] hmota78:
This is very subjective, I think. For some people HD2 is exactly what they need. Looks like I may be one of them. Others, like yourself, will have to wait. I, for example, have never used the TV-out feature on my phone, even though raphael has it. I use my PS3 for watching movies and photos and when I'm at my friends' house and want to show them something, I just keep a flash drive in my wallet for that.
[HD2 General] zoomee:
hmm - can't say this is the best place to vent your frustration at the lack of a feature on the HD2 but I will add this.

Sold my Touch HD and defected to the dark side by buying the iphone 3GS - man, its soo bloomin frustrating to not have the level of customisability (yes, even when you jailbreak it) that I miss my HD with a passion. That and the fact itunes is the biggest load of poopookaka I have ever seen in my life - Loads of missing apps and frustration adding MP3's etc made me give up on it. I miss the simple things like being able to open documents on my phone, transfer content to it easily etc.

Needless to say, I'm looking forward to coming back to HTC - My HD2 should be with me next week and I can honestly say it will be LOADS better than anything else on the market. TV out is something I would NEVER ever ever use- even if they supplied the cable with it - how likely is one to carry they're TV-Out cable with them, when its needed? - not very unless your pre-empting.

PS - My personal feeling is that you need to go get an iphone but be prepared for the war you will engage in with that software called itunes.

best of luck.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
nope...it's called marketing....if they brought out a phone that had everything...they'd never sell another phone. so they bring out a phone that has nearly everything to give you a reason to upgrade every 12 months or so.
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Was just going to say the same. Nokia did this when they were near the front line of good phones. They made phones with good camera's, but no wifi. Then phones with wifi, but missing something else.

If they made a phone with everything, they would never sell their other phones. They have a range of phones with different qualities, if you don't like this one (which you obviously dont), then you need to get a TP2 or Topaz etc... or even an Omnia.

Sure we will see you in a couple of months after that though with your HD2 :)

But seriously, there will never be an "ultimate" phone from a maker that makes more than 1 product. Maybe the Zune HD is the one?
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
dont get me wrong I know exactly why these so called flag ship devices done have "all" the available features, it doesnt mean we shouldnt complain about it. The reason they get away with their marketing scams is not enough people complain about them. You never know if the omnia 2 gets a decent firmware upgrade it may be a great phone and then htc will have to bring something out to match it.

Most of my friends have gone iphone now but you wont see me there as I crave customisability, if thats a word... you may be right about the hd2 though, i may have to eat my words when my contract is up in 7 months as the hd2 will be the only phone worth having as there is no point keeping my existing hd1 as it is generally cheaper to get a new contract rather than upgrade, another marketing con.

Clearly not everyone is going find tv out handy but I much prefer an all in one device and if this phone is going to be powerful enough to do some decent gaming having a tv out would only add to that experience. There is the business aspect two, tv out would mean you wouldnt have to carry a laptop to meetings etc.
[HD2 General] leftkats:
Couldn't agree more with you. Since most of the new tvs and projectors have usb input, I allways carry my 16GB usb stick with me (on my keys, so doesnt take any space at all) and I have all the movies that I want on it

As far as presentations, if you were doing a business presentation they should have had a computer nearby anyhow. If not, then look for a new job! :D

Also I spent about a £100 extra last year when I bought my laptop with hdmi output just connect it on my TV, something that i thought SOO necessary and I have never used it.
[HD2 General] tibursio:
Nobody is ever going to release a phone with everything in it. It's common sense and you would do the same as a phone manufacturer. Releasing one with everything will mean cutting into your own flesh in the long run...

If it had TV-Out you would probably complain about it only being at 800x480 resolution.

Btw, a few comments to your thoughts about where/for what you would use it:

Watching movies with friends? So you would want to plug the HD2 to a 48" TV? That would look horrible with a 800x480 resolution, even on a 19"...

Showing photo slideshows with family? Uhm okay, still resolution problem.. And, don't you have a DVD/BD-Player for stuff like that (pics, movies..)

Business Presentations? Business? Really? A business presentation @ 800x480 is not professional at all...

I know, all resolution problems. The big question is, how many times would you use tv-out in a year?

TV-Out is something that almost nobody uses regularely.
[HD2 General] leftkats:
I think some would check it out the first time when they buy the phone and that would be it... or maybe a couple of days later as well when they would want to show it off to their buddies... :D
[HD2 General] shu8i:
now really.. You want to do a ppt presentation from your phone? Isn't I kinda weird?!?!
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
I'm not buying the HD2...and neither is my wife!
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
obviously you can come up with lots of reasons why you dont need tv out, I could some up with twice as many why you dont need the hd2 where a much cheaper phone would do. Maybe I am just being greedy, I like options on my gadgets and the HD2 isnt really proving enoug of an upgrade from the HD1, it is pretty much the iphone 3g to the 3gs.

Toys firmly back in cot now, how many of you are currently on the HD1 and are thinking of upgrading to the HD2, what are your reasons beyond your contract coming to an end?
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Thats very nice to know.
[HD2 General] niknik76:
:D

...............
[HD2 General] addyb:
:D:D:D

I was thinking the same!
[HD2 General] tibursio:
no, its not. the HD2 has more improvements over the HD than the 3GS over the 3G.

If the lack of TV-Out is an issue for you, then wait for a phone that carries that along, but then you might aswell miss other features on that particular phone, and I'm sure there will be stuff missing ;).

By the way, you can still get decent money for your HD, now couple that with a subsidized HD2 and you won't have a big hole in your portemonnaie
[HD2 General] fouro:
I'm not engineer, but at least common sense also says to me that adding more features would a) require more space and b) cost more.

It's juggling with features, cost etc. They need to figure out what people really want, need and are willing to pay for. HD2 is already at the high side of price range, so how much could they increase price and people would still be buying it? Especially since there seem to be lots of smart phones coming out.

Also HD2 is quite large, thanks to the big screen. But they still have managed to keep it think whitch is probably quite big appeal with this device, making it still relatively pocketable. I can't say how much more space tv-out would have required but one could think that adding something would require more space.

So in this sense, one reason that there isn't a phone that has all the features is that adding them would affect something else. And if the feature isn't important enough, companies don't really want to risk another big appeal (like thinness) to incorporate the feature.
[HD2 General] sexililstut:
...

You are very unwise, then :D:D
[HD2 General] sharpey:
thats ok thats 2 more people that wont need to wait for stock when they buy one :)
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Haha, yup, means more chance of me getting on on the release date. Its 3 people too, the first guy and the man and his wife
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
lol, very true. I was first out of the stall on the HD, not doing that again. I would advise caution and dont believe the hype, the same amount of hype surrounded the original HD and where it is still a great phone ( compared to other models) it didnt live up to its "flagship multimedia device" how it was portrayed by HTC. That being said video results look very promising on the HD so on most aspects they may have got it right this time.
[HD2 General] kinnyfaifai:
For me, the HD was using old hardware which wasn't going anywhere. The HD2 is different as it's got different hardware namely Snapdragon. What put me off the HD initially was the hardware,which a lot has come to find out after owning one wasn't great and didn't really do much more. However, the HD2 should provide more than enough juice to do video and lots of others, the only down side being WinMo 6.5 not providing the platform we expect these days. That said, with the support of xda the HD2 should be much better.

For those saying the HD2 will be a let down, look at HTCs track record, they probably won't get it right till the HD5 comes out!
[HD2 General] newuser888:
Hardware wise, HD2 has everything that I've ever wanted: big screen, fast processor, plenty of memory.....

The only reason I'm not buying HD2 is that it still uses windows mobile, with so few choices when comes to applications software. Still using old and dated user interface.

If it is using Android, then let's talk.
[HD2 General] karan999:
Dude...just buy an HD2.i am dam sure,people at XDA will come up with Android on it too.;)
[HD2 General] newuser888:
I bought an Athena believing that when WM7 is released, I'll be able to run it.:D

Anyway, seriously, if someone come up with Android 2.0 on Leo, I'll be very interested.
[HD2 General] galaxys:
What application software are U saying WM can't run or don't have an equivalent?
[HD2 General] leftkats:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think applications availability on an Android phone is a few light years behind Windows mobile.

Personally I have nothing against Windows mobile, even though its a bit dated... and then again there is the Sense UI as well to cover it.
[HD2 General] Nighthawk:
I too was a WM user for the longest time, then I sold my HD and got an iPhone 3GS. As stated by others, I am frustrated by the lack of features on the iPhone - especially business ones. So, I've been looking at the HD2 since being announced and have decided to move back to WM because of this device. At the same time I've been trying to decide if I should get a notebook as well (travel). Then I saw this device and decided to give it a try (waiting for unit to arrive)...

http://www.celiocorp.com/

This takes care of most of my issues, keyboard and bigger screen for lengthy work. At this point it doesn't support video playback via the device, but it does from iPOD's and other devices with TV outs.

See Review: http://www.mobilitysite.com/2009/11/celio-redfly-in-action/

I might add that it also very cheap (price) compared to a notebook.
[HD2 General] BiG_Gs:
Are you serious?? "No TV out"??? You must be joking...

What, in my sake, is TVout a reason to want or not want a PHONE! (Or PDA if you will) I realy, realy do not understand why a phone needs that. In my case even the camera is complete useless, (i have a D200 for my snapshots...) But the overall of the phones of this calibre are verry nice and verry, verry usefull.

No tv out.... pffff
[HD2 General] precsmo:
LOLz!:eek::eek: more and more people are out of the mind what HD2 and Windows Mobiles have to offer after so many years of development. WM "so few apps"? This is starting to be real funny here?:confused::confused::confused:
[HD2 General] mallman:
other poster already pointed out the lack of education around WM app statement here but I wanted to point out that IT ISNT USING THE WM UI!!! IT IS HTC SENSE. Which is pretty much the same thing for all new devices.
[HD2 General] stoolzo:
Anyone got a couple of plastic cups and a long piece of string for Mr anti-features over here...
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
I was taking the P!$$ really. I shamelessly stole that (and modified it slightly) from "Life of Brian".

The point being that it's ridiculous to come on to a forum about the phone to say that you're not getting it!
[HD2 General] donnaw:
Look, it's obvious a lot of posters disagree with you. Not many people find the lack of TV OUT to be a detriment on this phone.

Everyone has different wants and needs for their phone. Some of the very lucky ones find a phone that is exactly perfect for them. For most of us though, it comes down to a compromise. Everyone has to ask themselves some questions: Does it have what I need to enhance my life? Does it have attributes that I don't like?

I have been using WinMo phones and PDAs for so many years I can't even remember what my first PDA was. I have never found the "perfect" device. Not enough power, too big, has a keyboard (I dislike keyboards), etc. Each time I have had to compromise. Ok, that's life - get use to it. Find a phone you like or wait for another to come out that more meets your desires.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
I love to see how people go on massive rants not buying something because of certain features. Why waste your time? And for god sake, why is the lack of TV out such a MASSIVE deal breaker?! What is the big deal about not having TV out?

You do not need to justify your decision for NOT buying a product to 90% of the people in this forum. We really don't care.

There seems to be all this hate for WinMo coming from people who have never used it before. Sure, I bet Android is damn good.

But...how much can you customise it?

The best thing about this phone, other than it's hardware features, is the support we will get from the chefs on XDA. That is what makes Windows Mobile so amazing.

You can do pretty anything with it! It's just like Windows on your PC.

So please, next time you don't want to buy a device, we don't want to know. It wastes our time, it wastes my bandwidth loading extra pointless threads, and lastly, it wastes your own time.
[HD2 General] BiG_Gs:
I realy have nothing to add!

:)
[HD2 General] snowblindd:
....Actually, even if it had TV-OUT, it doesn.t come with a vagon to put your tv in it ... soooo i guess it still would have been unsatisfactory...:):):)

PS: Maybe we should start complaining about TV's that do not have MOBILE-IN feature enabled :)
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
TV out may be extremely cool in a couple of years when phones have HDMI connectors and can produce HDMI signals with resolutions significantly higher than their native screen res. Then you really will be able to use the phone as a portable hi-def video player. But so long as the signal is no better than standard-definition TV (720x576 in Europe, 720x480 in the US and Japan) I really can't see the point....
[HD2 General] nicelad_uk:
Can you imagine if it did have TV Out? People would then be complaining that its the wrong connector to the TV.
[HD2 General] Gajet:
Welease Wuudfood!