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[General Topics] gandhisfist:
Would really love to see this community start working on the droid. Droid owners could definitely benefit from the team here a lot. Please open a droid forum.
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lets stay away from moto and keep it HTC i like HTC they are more hackable and dev friendly with hardware. I dont see moto selling unlocked sholes phones and offering developer recovery images to play with. If you want a droid get the Eris it has almost the same specs, they are very similar, it also has a better UI, too bad it has no keyboard but we will need to wait for HTC to finish the Dream 2 for that.
[General Topics] jairomeo:
XDA has a nitch for HTC, just like their are places that specialize in Moto. There are also places that wish to focus on all things android regardless of make like what beau mentioned a few posts above
[General Topics] victorythagr8:
Im sorry the Eris don't have close the same spec as the Droid. The Droid uses the OMAP 3430 and uses a Cortex A8 architecture. Droid running on a 550 mhz out performs the 800mhz Samsung Moment which is more powerful than the Eris(hero) because the Moment,hero, and eris all use ARM 11 architecture while the Droid, Iphone, N900, Palm Pre use the Cortex A8. And also the Omap 3430 actually can hold its own against the Snap Dragon. There is a reason why the Droid have so much hype because its right now the first Droid phone that uses the Cortex A8 architecture with the OMAP 3430. And also the has the best screen out of all the android phones since it doubles the resolution of the Hero.
[General Topics] victorythagr8:
Im sorry the Eris don't have the same spec as the Droid. The Droid uses the OMAP 3430 and uses a Cortex A8 architecture. Droid running on a 550 mhz out performs the 800mhz Samsung Moment which is more powerful than the Erics(hero) because the Moment,hero, and eris all use ARM 11 architecture while the Droid, Iphone, N900, Palm Pre use the Cortex A8. And also the Omap 3430 actually can hold its own against the Snap Dragon. There is a reason why the Droid have so much hype because its right now the first Droid phone that uses the Cortex A8 architecture with the OMAP 3430. And also the has the best screen out of all the android phones since it doubles the resolution of the Hero.
[General Topics] scubasteve4sq:
yes droid forum please
[General Topics] animere:
I agree with everyone on adding a Droid forum. It's time for xda to open their minds and open the site.

If VZW can open up and allow any CDMA phone XDA should open up as well
[General Topics] xdarkfirex:
I like to see people are excited about the Droid. It is a good phone. But XDA-Forums is strictly HTC. There is no example of a non HTC built phone which has its own subforum. Is there any particular reason for this. Well "HardSpl" is one thing. The hackibilty of this is a particular htc thing. Its what lets you put custom roms on the phone. Also HTC is a little bit more open then Motorola with developent tools and such.
[General Topics] salamandar:
Isn't it a bit ironic that XDA, a bastion of open minded free thinking tinkerers, seems to so strongly resist adding a Droid forum? Isn't that a bit close minded?
[General Topics] teddyearp:
This site is not totally stricly HTC, I've found a thing or two for my Motorola A4500 Napoleon here, but it does seem like they have their 'niche' and those here that want a 'droid' forum may have to look outside this box to find it. I'm still looking as well, it's gotta be out there somewhere . . . .

good luck

Heck, I'm a 'bigwig' at HackTheRazr.com, but that's way old school, just another example of a 'niche' site.

p.s. Ooops, first post!
[General Topics] Raioneru:
what more can I say, I just switched from T-mobile to Verizon, and got my Motorola Droid.
[General Topics] stuckonashelf:
you have another wanting a droid forum. i say we keep asking.
[General Topics] Carter123:
I would also like to see a Droid/Milestone section on XDA!

Come on devs!
[General Topics] ElCondor:
These are just my thoughts:

If XDA is making a Droid forum, the Droid owners would be very happy, I know.

But if we keep adding forums and forums for other devices, the site would be getting huge.

Other devices, like the (IMO crappy) omnia's and anything else would get a forum too.

The name xda-developers would be wrong because the devices aren't from HTC anymore.

The xda-community wouldn't be a strong community anymore and would get unpersonal more and more. Just like let's say Youtube, members wouldn't recognize each other, because there are simply too much members around.

I like this community how it is at the moment. Adding all different kinds of phones would brake it.

Over half a year, there would be people asking: why not creating a Nokia N97 forum! Or an LG forum!

That's totally wrong.

Just my two cents.
[General Topics] janus_zero:
I'm for a Droid section too!:cool:
[General Topics] faeArai:
me, too! xda-dev needs a droid/milestone section
[General Topics] Bunsen Honeydew:
I am in favor of it as a new droid owner as well. If nothing else, it will unclutter the general android areas a bit where people are discussing the droid anyway.
[General Topics] mc-paulo:
A Droid/Milestone Section would be fantastic
[General Topics] Raioneru:
if I may,

I would say that the admin of the forum might take it into consideration.

how about a vote? a vote between the admins would work.

or may be an election (lol) with a minimum USER votes quantity that needs to be reached for the election to be taken into consideration. the admins would then take it into consideration when voting in a 2nd election-admin-allowed-only.

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a vote would prevent a minor phone of getting its subforum.

only major phones like the Droid will (should?) be, I think, deserve their shot.

I don't know how it is supposed to work between the manufacturers and XDA, if they have any kind of relationship. but if HTC makes it easy for the XDA scene to do their work, and their passion. may be Motorola would (should?) comply too.

but hey i'm just a regular user so, I just hope the admins just take the DROID into consideration.

ps: it's dumb that they didn't keep it as the DROID in europe, I mean the Palm Pre, is the Palm no matter the country you go to, the Iphone is the Iphone.

I don't know, I think it's bad marketing move.
[General Topics] fadercrusader:
+1 for a specific section...
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1+ for droid/milestone subforum
[General Topics] Android-Jeck:
That's a really great idea! We really need a Milestone/Droid Section!
[General Topics] kintrup:
I think I will never come back from android to WM and would enjoy Milestone forum too!
[General Topics] Edgar_Wibeau:
I'd really be happy to find a droid/milestone section here!

Decent mod images are essential and droid is indeed the most powerful android phone yet. Hope motorola will turn a little (LOT that is) more open while moving from LiMo to Android!
[General Topics] tr1st4n:
No droid forum, but a Sony Ericsson one?
[General Topics] blazingwolf:
There is a Moto Droid forum, and many more devices, here: http://androidforums.com/
[General Topics] Namolas:
I heard its pretty good too ;)
[General Topics] metallicant:
Well said. I feel identically the same as you. Also, the Droid is a great phone but once the hype wears off it'll be just another good phone out there. No biggy as we wait patiently for the real real deal, the DRAGON!!
[General Topics] commandar:
As somebody who follows Android development rather closely, I could identify people that are active in that area, but if you asked me about people involved in any of the Windows Mobile devices on xda, I'd have no clue whatsoever who they are. Frankly, xda is already too large to 'know' posters outside of whatever section you're personally active in.
[General Topics] felixm477:
well if you want to get that technical on the forum name, xda isnt specific to htc alone any pda falls into the acro. i think differently i think the forum focuses too much on the 20 million htc phones where alot of them have very little activity. the forum should simply divide into the 2 categories of winmo and android and sub categorize in each category the phones carying that os making it mostly htc but also include the carrier flagship phones of the same OS the droid deserves a section like it or not especially since its the only 2.0 phone around for now.
[General Topics] xdarkfirex:
This site does talk about other phones yes.. In general areas. The sub-forums are STRICTLY for htc phone. (XDA was an early alias for htc phones.) If you want droid discussion go to General- Android Software Development.

That First Xperia and the HP Ipaqs. and the Palm treo are all Made by HTC, though they are branded by other companies. Since the phones are HTC created, they are elgible for inclusion on this site. There are no exceptions to the rules so far, so stop fishing for them.

As said in the sites byline. First thing on the front page.

So again xda is not synonymous to pda or smartphone just to htc alone.
[General Topics] galvaliziman:
emmmm if i buy a droir phone...its posible swich the os to a windows mobile???? thanks! and sorry for my poor english
[General Topics] genejockey:
what

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[General Topics] Raioneru:
that's quite poor, such conservatism...
[General Topics] johnlgalt:
Uh huh...

But where can we get Cyanogen Mod's for the DROID?

(BTW, I used you as a referral here, GMB)
[General Topics] ElCondor:
Nothing conservatism, we need to keep xda how it is.

As I said before, if we add a droid forum, everyone would want a forum for his own device, like Omnia's or Nokia's.

They will say: 'Why did you add a Droid forum and not a Nokia forum? That's not fair!'

And there you go, bye bye good community.
[General Topics] Raioneru:
why not voting? that could be a good idea ^^
[General Topics] felixm477:
go look at the definition of the acronym xda and tell me what it says. again just because an htc phone is called an xda does not mean xda is just htc. xda and pda are basically the same term.
[General Topics] ElCondor:
So... and now? I am not very convinced by this argument.

xda is, as your quotation said, a name for the first HTC phones.

Why are you violating him on this argument? It doesn't make any sense to do that.
[General Topics] felixm477:
because he is saying that since the site is called xda-developers it can only be about htc phones, when infact the acronym xda has been around before that and can be any pda phone. also xda is more a label from tmobile for the first popular htc devices. i believe this site should expand a bit to include the most popular phones aswell. those who complain about the community getting ruined are not willing to get with the times, the community has been way too big already with the 3000000 htc phones and most of the forum sections are dead because the phones are so old they have already moved on to newer devices.
[General Topics] ElCondor:
Well the xda-forum is still doing a great job, even though many subforums are dead.

HTC leo, mega, hero, topaz, rhodium, all phones that are pretty new. And I'm sure they'll get many attention in future.
[General Topics] felixm477:
well they should atleast broaden it a bit to handsets such as the droid and samsung moment since those 2 are worth the added support. or at the very least an android-developers sister site
[General Topics] rainabba:
I've come to appriciate and respect this site and what it represents. To exclude the Droid for being Motorola despite how incredible a phone it is, would be a major disappointment and do nothing but hold back development. By embracing the Droid and pushing its limits as XDA does with most phones, we'd be communicating to the market what we seek. Avoid it focus on inferior phones, and that'll send a message also.
[General Topics] Raioneru:
yeah I agree, it will really help the Droid to become much more popular than it is.

I remember when I bought my HTC touch diamond, and my TOUCh HD, I was so trilled because I knew there was a possibility if I didnt like the Rom to try a new one, and exploit the hardware of the phone to its maximum.
[General Topics] ElCondor:
Okay an android-developers site would in my opinion be a good solution.

It's good to hear you want to keep the xda community up, but I'm wondering whether adding all those phones is a good idea. I think, unlike you said, that the site would grow too big, because we would add more and more devices.

I know exactly how it would go further and further:

First, you people ask for a Droid forum.

Then, there are more and more people asking for several devices.

After that, the side has grown so big that we have to divide the whole site into sections: HTC, Samsung, Blackberry, Palm, iPhone:eek:, etc.

A development&hacking section wouldn't be possible anymore, because we would have specific things that would only work on specific devices.

Yeah it's good for the phone's popularity, but hey, that's got nothing to do with us.
[General Topics] Photopuppet:
I agree that XDA developers should stay HTC only, otherwise the forums will lose focus and get too diluted... there are enough phones in the forum index without having to add additional manufacturers. Where would you stop then? :)

There are plenty of other sites dedicated to Motorola, etc.
[General Topics] Bunsen Honeydew:
Yeah, less traffic is always better for a website.:rolleyes:
[General Topics] ElCondor:
Well said both!
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
They are supporting all android phones over at www.androidoverdrive.com including the droid. Just sign up to be able to view everything.
[General Topics] Randomocity812:
Alright, so here's my attempt on you guys. First and foremost, I appreciate your help googling, but posting links to android development sites with 0 posts on the moto droid, and about 10 posts on the entirety of the forums helps no one. That said, I have the utmost respect for the hard working developers and programmers on this site, and I do appreciate the hard work that you've all done, but the fact of the matter is, as a development community and especially in the rooting department, we need help. If you dont want to post an all out droid sub-forum, that's fine, but the fact of the matter is, we need the help and you guys are the best for the job.

As a developer/modder, I've done my fair share of opening up various platforms for full usability from the end-user. But I have a new phone now, and a brand new platform that I really dont know, and the fact that senior leadership in the development community is shunning what could be a very large segment of the overall base because they have a rep to uphold is inexcusable. If you dont want to open up a sub-forum, fine, I won't hold it against you, but at least come over to Droid Forums or the Alldroid post and give us some help in cracking this thing. I know the community as a whole would greatly appreciate it.

I love my Moto droid just as much as you all love your HTC phones, so would a little help really be so difficult?
[General Topics] bleomycin:
bravo, couldn't have said it better myself and i totally agree!
[General Topics] rainabba:
Stop spamming this thread please.

These replies to this thread are such a contradiction. You people claim to be concerned about the volume and quality of traffic on the site, yet you post useless statements like this (which don't help anybody get anything done) that serve to only spam up the thread, as if the XDA mods couldn't come up with these conclusions on their own.

The OP was asking the mods IF a [sub]forum would be added and from there the thread clearly went the direction of people speaking up that would like to see this happen. The number of people wishing to see it occur is likely THE most important factor in whether it should.

Where does it stop if HTC isn't the only manufacturer?... Where ever it needs to. It didn't stop at the first device and the site has not only survived, but become just about (if not) THE definitive mobile hacking/modding site on the web (English based anyway). What makes you think that opening it up to another manufacturer is somehow going to destroy the site? Get real and stop the drama-queen acts people. :eek:

BTW.... Let me first say that I'm not endorsing the following site, but there is action here that I think has potential and I want to see the Droid rooted so for anyone else interested, and/or willing to contribute even though it's another site: http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=210&t=431&start=140 It sounds to me like there at least a few, talented engineers with some potential here. Just my mildly educated opinion (enough education in digital electronics through E.V.I.T. and Devry).
[General Topics] ElCondor:
Apparently you don't know what 'spamming' means.

We give our opinion, you give yours, there's no reasen to say that ours is spam.

Just found your opinion instead of violating us.

You say that these statements are already known by the mods and they would already have come up with these conclusions on their own.

But what about your 'requests' to make a droid forum, er? Do you think they don't know about the fact that the site would grow when they add more phones?
[General Topics] Randomocity812:
Both of you, leave the drama at home.

@Rainabba: I dont agree with your first statement, you ***** about the flaming going on here and you go out and flame.

@ElCondor: I'm sorry you were offended, but the fact still remains, you've yet to contribute something useful to this debate other than "ZOMG, the site is going to get too big and diluted." Which in itself is such a logical fallacy that I'm not even going to waste energy refuting it. With each new HTC iteration being different than the last, including their palm and experia models, the site isnt going to be any more diluted than it already is.

I understand where you're coming from, but the argument just doesn't have any logical backing. Care to come up with a better one as to why a phone with an extremely large backing shouldnt be represented on the top mobile hacking/modding site on the web?
[General Topics] ElCondor:
I'm sorry but to avoid possible PM's I do not comment anymore.

Actually your quotation is from another user. Not from me, but I agreed with him.
[General Topics] Randomocity812:
My apologies for targeting you directly, but I saw a few of your posts in this particular thread, and I had to point out the fallacies in all of your statements. They're called the slippery slope fallacy and you're apparently quite good with it.

The fact still remains, there hasn't been a single logical piece of evidence as to why a droid sub-forum should not exist here. When you have 258,000 active members, dilution is no longer a legitimate excuse.

So, who's up to the challenge?

Give me a good reason why we shouldn't be here.

Mods?

Anyone?
[General Topics] xdarkfirex:
The question isn't if there is a good reason why the Droid shouldn't be here?

The question is will the Owners change their rules just for the Droid?

Most of the arguments state the popularity of the Droid as one reason to put it here. I counter that with the iPhone being popular should it have a sub-forum here as well.

Another argument is they should be covering all android phones. I counter that with at the rate android phones come out should all of them get a sub-forum. (The If we change for one, we change for all argument)

I believe this whole issue stems from HTC being the makers of the Android Development Phones(ADP) and also the the first manufacture of android phones on the market. XDA-Developers has a long history of being HTC first. There have been projects of loading Openmoko on htc phones. debian on htc phones and other things. When HTC release the Dream/G1 it was just natural of an HTC site to work on this HTC device. It running android was 2nd to it being HTC. This put alot of developers behind android. The comes the other devices. The Chinese Sciphone, Samsungs device, and now the Droid. If were doing the solely on popularity the Sciphone has a better chance then the droid. (china is just a way bigger audience then America is) But that didn't happen. Why? Most of the Developers here have only worked on HTC devices and have an intimate understanding on how htc hardware works how HTC builds their bootloader(SPL-what allows you to add custom roms) It will take a lot of time to learn the new hardware scheme and bring it up to the level that all the other htc devices have.

What I am saying is you guys are asking for a huge Paradigm shift. HTC is just to much ingrained on the fabric of the develpers. Despite its "XDA" name, as I said before was in reference of the O2's XDA branding htc phones(to be fair it coverd more than htc phones but the first XDA and the only one to carry the plain XDA name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O2_Xda is an htc phone), this site purpose, not preference was to work on htc phones.

Good luck you owners of the droid's on rooting and modding your phone. This section of the forum the General Android Section your welcome to talk about anything Droid. A sub-forum for a non htc device as I see is not happening anytime in the near future.
[General Topics] gary.lavin:
I am a big HTC fan, I still have my Uni and will get the Leo as soon as an Android versions ships. However right now the Droid is the best device available. If you use one you will agree that it is worth including here but don't compare it to other non HTC inferior devices. And if something else that is non HTC comes along that is better than the Droid or Leo it should be included too!
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
People have already talked to flar personally about this and she said it was not going to be an option cause it's not a htc phone.
[General Topics] salamandar:
This is really disappointing, I do not know who flar is (could care less) but I think that kind of zero consideration closed minded attitude just plain sucks, think i need to go peruse some sites less insular and more open minded.

Just to re-iterate, in case my point wasn't clear... get off your goddamn pedestals, change is good, forces a narrow mind a bit wider. Oops, did I offend? Welp anyone who knows my posting style knows I do not suffer fools gladly.

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OK Discuss, flame, whatever....
[General Topics] velazcod:
coming soon...

http://droid-developers.com/

supporting EVERY android device out there
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
Flar is the owner of XDA. She made it clear awhile back to us that no other phone will be put on here unless it's HTC. But we are trying to add as much droid stuff over at www.androidoverdrive.com.
[General Topics] hakeem9:
I'm really curious what the actual rationale is behind only supporting HTC phones. Is it really relevant for example that the Treo 650 is 'technically' manufactured by HTC? It runs a unique OS and really has nothing else comparable to any other HTC phone, and is not even branded HTC in any way. ****, I consider myself very phone savvy and until about a week ago had no idea that HTC even manufactured the Treo. Point is, is the manufacturer really relevant?

I'm kind of over the Droid discussion at this point, but I'm really lost on the logic here in general. I know this is flar's site and she can do whatever she wants; I get it, I respect it, I just wish I understood it.
[General Topics] supremeteam256:
I can't remember what the reasoning behind it was. I'll get codani up to tell me, he had the discussion with her.
[General Topics] crpercodani:
It has been pointed out the the bootloader/spl is much more open on HTC phones and that is one reason. People have begged and pleaded many many times before to get subforums for non HTC devices and it NEVER happens. I have a Droid and I love it, but I'm not gonna waste my time here asking for something that won't happen. You can ask for reasons all day but they won't help because Flar owns XDA and she has made it very clear it will not happen. If you wanna be a part of a open forum then check out www.androidoverdrive.com