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[General Topics] Noonski:
I moved the thread to the General Forum as this discussion does not actually contain Development Information.

The request for Non HTC devices are not new.

These have been around for years.

So the Admins and the people paying for most of the site are aware.

Up until now the ideas to support devices outside of HTC manufactured ones has been declined.

So with the Admins, Moderators aware of these requests, do not put to many hope into trying to persuade the team. This is a discussion that is even discussed behind closed doors and i have yet to see the signs that our Admins are going to go that way. Especially looking at the ever expanding of the new HTC devices coming out.
[General Topics] jrodizzkool01:
Thanks for the explanation :). By the way do you know why xda-developers only allows HTC-made devices?
[General Topics] Noonski:
A long long time ago in a far away galaxy, there was a company that made Pocket PC's for other big name Companies and and telcom operators, like Dell and O2. The devices would never really carry the name of it's manufacturer (HTC).

The first device HTC made for a telecom company was the O2 XDA.

A group of guys got together and literally took the devices apart with Soldering bolts to know what made them tick.

They decided to make a little forum to keep track of their findings and share them with the world.

In those darken days, there where only Windows Mobile Phones being made by HTC.

To not grow to fast and keep most the information, hopefully relevant for newer HTC devices, the focus stayed on HTC devices as that was the whole reason this forum started.

And they lived happily ever after.

So i think it is safe to say that the answer that comes closest to why XDA has always been HTC centered would be to say, it is the tradition and it the history behind it.

XDA is one of the biggest technical orientated Forum around. (we reached 2 million members this month)

At almost any given moment there are around 6000 active members on the site simultaneously.

And this amount can only grow. There are days the servers are smoking.

And this for a site that is not centered on and survives by smart commercial fundings.
[General Topics] ZebraineZ:
The thing is that I don't see why people have to be so butt hurt and ignorant about this site being an HTC only site, Moto Droid is the only android phone out at the moment (or at least one of them) that may very well win a lot of people over, we have already seen the large amount of handsets already sold.

The thing is that you guys are *****ing about adding a SECTION for the Droid, not having the actual staff or whatever develop on it, I'm not even going to ask a 'would it be hard' question because everyone in this forum and myself already know the answer: it wouldn't.

The hardware is why the Droid attracts a lot of people, and instead of being ignorant and shooting down every request for a Droid (yet again) section (for some discussion at least) you can count each and every one of those requests and would see how many users

want

something that the staff are capable of doing without causing any harm to their site, in fact quite the opposite, it would build up the already strong community with even more people and developers, some even coming here for the sole reason of there being a Droid section.

I wonder how many more pages this thread will last, hmmm...

God forbid there be a section for the Droid.... Least give a reason why it is so wrong to have a section.

Tradition doesn't matter, that is just a hoax society uses to not accept change, change that is beneficial to everyone. Using tradition for a large community would just upset the community even more, the site was happy before the droid came, and it may seem happy now but more and more people get the Droid and would also want their device to get the goodies that all these HTC phones get.
[General Topics] Noonski:
I wasn't speculating, just stating the fact that this is discussion 200 about the same subject and owners (The Original Soldering Bolts XDA) and Admin's have not met the requests.

Never said the discussion isn't useful, we're even having the same discussion behind closed doors among Moderators.

Would XDA benefit? Sure most definitely.

But so have other forums that started there where XDA at that moment stopped.

Where there is a need for something specific there's room for others to start something new, and others have done just that.

http://www.modaco.com/category/62/mpx220-mpx220-modaco-com/

If tradition wouldn't matter we could just as well make new users with 1 post Moderators right of the bat.

I walk many threads and i cannot see that the Quality of XDA get's better the more users it has.
[General Topics] polishmike:
Is there a forum devoted to the droid out there? I just picked one up and am really enterested in what this baby can do.
[General Topics] killerskincanoe:
lol u guys are fast learners? 17 pages? crimeny... just create a social group.. anyone can create one.. and you can set mods and have people post discussions. meet greet. and be merry with your mods and hacks...
[General Topics] Noonski:
http://androidcommunity.com/forums/...-eugene-and-twisted-12-03-09-aosp-20-a-29466/

Like this, you mean?
[General Topics] linux_droid:
I just joined this forum after reading through this thread.

I found xda-developers because I just bought a Motorola Droid and was looking for, of course, info on hacking the phone.

I am new here, so what I say may not carry much weight, but having been involved in, moderating, admin-ing and even hosting a few forums/sites over the years.... well, I felt the need to say something.

This place (xda-developers) seems to have a great community of people DOING THE WORK to figure out just how to hack a bunch of phones, and have done great work and earned a reputation that is second to none for the work they do.

Because of that, this neophyte to cell phone modding (and obviously others as well) would very much like to have a group of folks like xda working on hacks to improve our Droids, and a dedicated forum to support that work.

But I understand the desire to maintain community focus.

Community focus is really a requirement for a tech-based online community to to remain cohesive and do quality work. When an online community branches out too much, or tries to be all-inclusive it gets weak.

Period.

Perhaps there IS enough interest and member desire to justify adding a Moto Droid section, but doing so WILL change the communities focus.

Adding a single non-HTC device is not too likely to destroy a strong community, but if one is added then why not another brand?

Seriously, as a new Droid owner who spent hours searching online before risking bricking my phone I would love to have the decision made in favor of broadening the focus here, but as someone who has seen quite a few forums fall to pieces, I think it would be better for this PLACE to stay on focus.

That doesn't mean "kicking out" us Droid people, of course- nothing wrong with allowing forum members to have sidelines and other projects under discussion. ;) But one forum can not be all things to all people, folks.

There is a whole intarweb out there, after all.
[General Topics] Noonski:
I can only say that there is no definite No.
[General Topics] lude219:
Good thread to lock/sticky'd (depending on your stance). I don't see why all these people come in here with a sense of entitlement that the admin should heed their request and create a droid forum. This isn't an open forum to all kind of phones (regardless of their makes and models), it's an exclusive to HTCs. The reason why exclusive forums work is that you really have a strong knowledge base from developers who know the product very well. All the knowledge that you've learned from one device could easily be replicated to the next device because you know that the technology and programming for that particular company would, more or less, stay the same. Having a high concentration of knowledgeable users on here is the reason why I keep coming back. It's not over-saturated with 5 different OSes and hundred of phones...and that's what's make it so great.

For those who feel that XDA owe them something, the next time im in your house as a guest, I'd expect a 5 course meal and to be able to have sex with your wife.
[General Topics] Noonski:
Hey the Nexus ain't even out yet:

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=557

And it even already got it's Forum at XDA, without anyone even asking for it.

:cool:;)

To bad it's probably also made by HTC (no sarcasm meant)
[General Topics] rainabba:
"Sense of entitlement" should be replaced by "sense of community and rejection" for most of the folks you're referring to and if there is any sense of entitlement, it's likely the result of having contributed to THIS sites success up until now in many cases.

No worries now though, alldroid.org (emphasis on ALL) is picking up the slack (and others are doing their part also to ensure another site can take the reigns) and already some of the better known Android Devs from this site are either cross-posting, or moving over.
[General Topics] bloke67fm:
please add an droid forum also

I just have a brand new milestone. by searching the internet to find some help, i found this page.

Never found another page in same quality, please add an droid forum.

Thank you very much!
[General Topics] harddisk_ripper:
I just sold my Topaz and ordered a Milestone :D:D

Only to find out that there is no milestone sub forum on xda, though! :eek::confused:

This feels like there is something big and important missing... :o:rolleyes:

+1 for Droid Forum!

greetings from switzerland

marco
[General Topics] fiktion:
Why is this thread even still open? Come on guys, seriously. The name of this community implies right off the bat that it has nothing to do with anything other than HTC. You wouldn't go to a Chevrolet car forum and beg them to have a section for a Honda, would you? Even though those guys know what they're talking about, you just wouldn't do that.

Also, could you imagine what would happen to XDA's servers if they opened Moto, Acer, Samsung, etc sections? They're already a little laggy during the U.S. daylight hours.
[General Topics] Noonski:
We spy for any really good comments and suggestions and ideas:D

We are not discouraging the discussion as long as it is done in good way.

And since no one is bashing each others brains in this thread is going pretty fine.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] kraze10458:
im getting my mytouch next week from t mobile and im pretty confused about the whole rooting thing...i need someone to explain it to me =/

ive kinda done a g1 befor
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] tazz9690:
use the unlockr's 1 click root. It's the fastest way to do it. Or you could go the old fashioned way and create a gold card and do it that way.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] scrufy:
If your confused by what root is, and why you need it:

Root is just a name for the super user or administrator login account (the root account). This is what the main account has been called forever in *nix operating systems since the beginning 30+ years ago.

It is the login that has all privileges like read/write to all directories and can start any process(well almost) that it wants.

The reason you would want this would be for things like tethering where you need to run processes that make direct hardware calls and have access to things like iptables / ipchains (the ability to reroute internet traffic). Other things would be like backup your entire phone or run apps from your sd card.

Hope that helps a little.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] phatmanxxl:
read the threads, wiki's and stickys in the sapphire and dream forums. all your answers are there. you should make sure you know what your doing before you start hacking your phone, things can get kinda messy if you don't know the proper procedures.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] DMaverick50:
Im dead serious when i say "dont get one"

TMobile is putting out poor android devices, and they're putting out a lot of them. If you have the $250 credit wait until they realize that their competition is putting out fewer and far superior Android devices. The MyTouch is the G1 with a bit more ROM, if TMO wants to stay in the game they're going to have to come out with more than the MT3G/Cliq/Moment/Behold, these phones are geared toward the junior school girl demographic and these are all devices with inferior hardware. I kick myself everyday when i have to shamefully take this bush-league MyTouch out of my pocket in public. Seriously though, the HTC Magic is a good, capable phone, the HTC MyTouch is a joke with no punchline. Dont make the same mistake I did, TMO is a very large company, they will figure it out sooner or later. Although they did have a two year jump on the Android market and immediately after their competition released there respective first phones they were far ahead of tmobile. Actually, maybe they wont ever get it
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Anartic:
I don't regret getting my MyTouch at all, how are you ashamed of taking it out in public? Everybody that's seen my phone likes it a lot. Sure the name might be stupid but overall the phone itself is very nice.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] phatmanxxl:
I love my MT3G, and so far IMO its the best android Tmobile has to offer. The cliq is not bad spec-wise, and its still a baby and we have yet to see, if any, its potential. I love the G1 too, it turns heads still but its just too big for me with the fat battery for everday use. As far as dud phones go I've unlocked plenty of high end At&t phones to use on Tmobile with no problem, or you could always switch carriers and when you cancel your service tell them that's why so they know. Hopefully Tmobile or At&t will get the magic by next summer so I can get my hands on one myself.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] pack:
the main thing is if your unsure about rooting it don't do it, when your unsure of things that leads you too make stupid mistakes which will always lead to a brick

rooting your phone is quite stressful (even when you understand it) because you never know when it might just not turn back on...

my suggestion to you is simple....

your unsure now so the best way to go about it is doing your research until your 110% sure of what you are doing

rooting isn't just going to disappear tomorrow, and that gives you plenty of time to research and understand before you make a bricking mistake

and what does ive kinda done a g1 before mean?

you should really try to be more specific with your questions...

i.e.:

look over the rooting process and ask questions based on the parts you are confused about

tell us exactly what you have done before so people know what areas you would need help (not kinda sorta done type questions)

research research research; 1 mistake = a ugly paperweight

...besides that good luck
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] BrandoHD:
^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said, i've been researching this rooting thing for some weeks now and i am only going to get my magic on thursday, so i am now pretty comfortable with the rooting thing and i don't even have the phone. When i get my phone i'm not even going to root it right away, i wanna have some time to really use it in its default state so that when i do root it i'm gonna hav a better apprecitaion for the power that rooting will give to me!!!!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Anartic:
Hah, I did the same thing with my G1, except I was only scared to root it at first, even with all that I knew and then it took me the whole night to actually finish the rooting process itself.
[General Questions and Answers] badrulhab:
Is there a wayto turn on the device using any of the hard button. I used to have it but after i did a hard reset of my device i sould not figure it out.
[General Questions and Answers] TaurusBullba R.I.P.:
... and what device might you have?
[General Questions and Answers] badrulhab:
dopod 838pro or otherwise known as htc hermes. It is running on htc wm6.1
[G1 Android Development] ChainsDD:
I'm working on a new version of su & Superuser.apk. The changes are pretty basic now, just some code cleanup and a major UI overhaul. I have more things planned, we'll see where things go. Check out the screen shots and download it if you like. Let me know what you think.

Thanks go out to Zinx for putting the original together, and Cyanogen for making the source available.

v1.2.0 is small big fixes, and some changes that should help it to work on more ROMs. I went ahead and made an update.zip this time to make sure that everything gets put in the proper place. I've only tested this on CM 4.2.3.1, so as always, backup first, and then install. Please let me know of any success/failure on different roms.

Download here.

Source here.
[G1 Android Development] xile6:
cool ill check it out in a bit
[G1 Android Development] otto888:
Thanks. I'll use this in my attempt to root my new CLIQ unless a major bug is found....

EDIT: I know what this is,just saying I'll use this to control access to root,once rooted.
[G1 Android Development] tutech:
will this remember the previous version's always allowed apps?
[G1 Android Development] ChainsDD:
I haven't tested it, but it should... Let me know?

edit: Just tested it, it will remember previously allowed apps.
[G1 Android Development] twistedumbrella:
I like the overlay concept. The old full screen sometimes popped up at the wrong time and the wrong button got clicked. This looks more "up-to-date" Gonna test it out and cook it into some ROMs
[G1 Android Development] IConrad01:
No offense to the OP is meant by this:

but is there any chance that we can get sourcecode for this? (If I'm going to install something that governs my phone's root permissions, I want assurances that it doesn't contain malicious code. This is just good practices, and is //not// meant as any form of sleight to the OP.)
[G1 Android Development] FaJu:
Seconded, it does remember previous settings.
[G1 Android Development] xidominicanoix:
+1 for this :D
[G1 Android Development] olearyp:
Pushed to TheOfficial TMO, but it ain't working for me. To be cross-posted to that thread momentarily.
[G1 Android Development] AGx-07_162:
I like the new look to it but honestly if there is no new functionality to it I dont see any need to change it. For me, its a case of leaving well enough alone. It does look good though.
[G1 Android Development] ChainsDD:
It's been up, I just failed to link to it, get it here.

I hadn't tested this on anything but CM 4.2.3.1, I had assumed it would work on any build that uses Zinx's su setup, but I could be wrong. I'll have a look at it tonight, I gotta head off to work.
[G1 Android Development] jubeh:
seems to be just a graphical overhaul to the app, but what about su? what's different on it? I don't have the original source, guess I'll look for it.
[G1 Android Development] EWitsJan:
Install

How do i install this I ran it through Root explorer ran it and it says Superuser 1.1.apk cant be installed on this phone. I tried putting it in the system/app folder restarted and it didn't pop up.?!? :confused:
[G1 Android Development] Eclipse9069:
You really shouldn't be using root explorer to replace any internal .apks, instead push them with the terminal and the linux commands.

Also, if you're gonna use root explorer or terminal, make sure the .apk name is superuser.apk not superuser 1.1.apk.
[G1 Android Development] EWitsJan:
Thanks I'm going to find out how to push it with terminal.
[G1 Android Development] agent2594:
Just tried Superuser.apk v1.1.0. The interface is better - I always thought a separate screen for SU requests was kinda wasteful. And I can also second that it saved my old permissions.

However...as a test, I deleted all my previous permissions and tried running su in Terminal Emulator. The SU request came up almost instantly, but after clicking "Deny" it took a while before the terminal responded with "Permission denied". This only happened the first time I tried it, though - denying subsequent requests goes through almost instantly. I see the same behavior with initially allowing the request vs. initially denying and subsequently allowing. Hopefully this explanation makes sense, lol.

I see your screenshots appear to be stock CM v4.2.3.1, so what I'm seeing probably something specific to my setup (BFS-304, M_Blend theme, compcache+backing, etc.), but I figured I'd let you know anyway.

Excellent work!
[G1 Android Development] Joe333x:
a new superuser app that when you entered the super user app it showed all the apps that have or do not have superuser access would be awsome
[G1 Android Development] ChainsDD:
agent2594 - I understand what you're saying. I think that's something going on in the su binary, which I can't get to compile right just yet... but when I do I'll see what I can do about that.

Joe333x - I think but I could be wrong, that what you're looking for is the Superuser app in the app drawer. It'll show everything that are either allowed or denied access.
[G1 Android Development] pascanu:
I second that. The greatest addition would be to have a list (in human readable format) of programs that have been granted/denied SU permission.
[G1 Android Development] olearyp:
Understood. Also notable, if it helps--with the new Superuser.apk in place, the icon disappears from the app drawer. And yes, I am pushing it right over the old one, and rebooting (adb shell rwsystem; adb push Superuser.apk /system/app/Superuser.apk; reboot via phone menu).
[G1 Android Development] chevycowboyusa:
How exactly do you test it out?

Okay, I installed it (and made a backup) thru terminal.

su

mount -o remount,rw /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system

cp /system/app/Superuser.apk /system/app/Superuser.bak

cp /sdcard/Superuser.apk /system/app/Superuser.apk

reboot

Edit: I got it. I opened it and touched the green plus sign and it deleted the permissions.
[G1 Android Development] sturmeh:
Awesome improvement to UI!

However can I suggest a feature?

Is there some way you can invoke the lock screen or request a pre-defined password when escalation is required, not so much to prevent an intruder from using Wireless Teether (xD) but I find setting a decent password for Linux installations helps me be a little careful about what I'm doing when I'm making system wide changes, I think the same principal would apply for the G1.

Unlock pattern would be ideal. ( of course this would be optional. )
[G1 Android Development] Burag:
+1

Im missing this feature most.
[G1 Android Development] d750:
I have made themed version of this application. For installation just flash in recovery.

http://www.4shared.com/file/147858744/53ab64d/superuser-signed.html
[G1 Android Development] EWitsJan:
Thanks so much but can i just flash this anytime? or do i need to flash rom then flash this no reboot?
[G1 Android Development] d750:
Yes you may flash this anytime.
[G1 Android Development] EWitsJan:
Thanks omg this icon looks soo cool! :cool:
[G1 Android Development] ChainsDD:
The new icon looks great. Mind if I upload it to my source tree?
[G1 Android Development] d750:
No problem is completely free .
[G1 Android Development] ChainsDD:
bump for new version
[G1 Android Development] olearyp:
TheOfficial TMO:

$su
Permission denied
$

No window appears. The "Permission denied" response is instant. I might take a look at the update.zip tomorrow to see where you were pushing files.

EDIT: Tomorrow is the new tomorrow. Too busy with Maps/nav-related stuff.
[G1 Android Development] Rescue7:
Anyway I can just download the .apk?

Its much easier.
[G1 Android Development] Rey-619:
Works on Hero :) Nice

But it dosn't work with your update.zip Hero is using other directorys.

try to put the apk in this folder:

/system/sd/app_s/

the su file should be the same as yours
[G1 Android Development] ianandamy:
I am new to this all what does this do and what can I do with it should it be updated in my 4.2.3.1 build?
[G1 Android Development] olearyp:
TheOfficial TMO w/expansion 2.1.2.

Pushed just Superuser.apk; same as before, su hangs for at least several minutes.

Then also pushed the new su executable, instantly gives "Permission denied", a carriage return, then prints "here1here2here3here4here5" (or something close to that) to the console.