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[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
HELP WANTED TO IDENTIFY HTC HERO MODEL #s, and what they can tell you re the specific version of the Hero you're getting. ADVICE also wanted to buying online.

I've had two HTC WindowsMobile Phones over past 4 years, all through T-Mobile USA, I've been very active @XDA, and now I'm switching to Android. Took me a while to choose which HTC android phone Model I wanted, since my carrier, T-Mobile USA, decided not to carry the Hero.

Yesterday I spent several hours at my T-Mobile store getting a feel for the first time of several Android devices -- including the G1, the myTouch, and the new Motorola Cliq (which I didn't care for at all). So many reviews on YouTube and various Smartphone news & info sites have convinced me the HTC Hero is what I want. And I am giving up 3G data speeds on T-Mobile's USA Network in order to get this phone.

Which Model Do I want?

The "Device database" site that links at the top of every page here at XDA shows all these following versions of the HTC Hero. I want to figure out specifically if one of the models shown was ever put into production, or whether it was just an early prototype while HTC was shopping it around to carriers:

COMPARISON CHART OF HTC HERO MODEL VERSIONS:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2061&id2=2005&id3=1966&id4=1955&id5=1954

Note Item #1: I have to assume this model was never put into production, and that it was perhaps just a prototype to "sell" to T-Mobile USA to carry this model, and they of course passed.

But it was also reviewed on YouTube under this specific model name (HTC Hero / T-Mobile G2 Touch)... And so if this model somehow was produced (doubtful), it would be the Hero I'd want to buy, since it would work at 3G speeds on the T-Mobile USA 3G network, which requires bands 1700 and 2100.

Here is the other GSM model listed... I know from researching all of this that T-Mobile UK has the Hero (but only in Black and in White), that Orange UK has it, that Denmark has a version that is gunmetal blue-grey, and that India has a Hero model as well. I don't know which is which in terms of specs.

And then here are the new USA models, for Sprint (released), and Verizon (not yet released):

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Very likely someone will confirm here that the model I buy won't be usable on T-Mobile USA's 3G network.. I've reconciled to that, and STILL want this phone over T-Mo's Android 3G phones: myTouch, Motorola Cliq.

But I want to buy the right model, so is it #2 or #3? At the online stores, mostly all I see is the GSM Hero listed THIS way:

HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS Unlocked Phone

but I have also seen one listed this way (sold in Singapore):

HTC Hero / HTC A6262 / Google G3

I have spoken to HTC USA -- not a help at all -- I have written to vendors -- they don't know. I have written to PDAdb.net -- no reply :) So please help me solve this so I can hurry up and order this phone. Thank you!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tsekh501:
(1) does not exist, there is no Hero that supports the 1700 band that (only) T-Mobile USA uses. HERO100 is the product number of (2), which is the European/Asian version, and, as I am typing, is currently the only version of Hero with that chin.

(3) is going to be released later this week in Canada with Telus. It should looks exactly the same with HERO100. The only difference is that it supports 850/1900, which Telus and some other carriers in North and South America use for their 3G networks, in particular AT&T in the US. It carries a product number of HERO130. I am not sure if there will be an unlocked version of this phone for retail, but I am sure that people will find a way to unlock the carrier specific version within days.

(5) has released on Sprint, there is not much I can say about it that is not in the pic you posted. It is a CDMA phone, the same goes for (4), which has been renamed to Droid Eris and looks rather different from all its Hero siblings.

If you are sticking with T-Mobile USA, I am sorry but there is no Hero that supports T-Mobile USA 3G network. Don't waste your time looking for one. T-Mobile USA is the only carrier in this world that utilize the 1700 band for its 3G network (no, T-Mobile in the Europe doesn't use 1700). Unless T-Mobile USA was going to carry the Hero on their network, which they had already declined, the chance of having a compatible Hero is very very slim. In this case, HERO100 and HERO130 are the same phone to you. They will run fine on EDGE, but no 3G. If you are gonig to switch to, say, AT&T, then you should go for HERO130 instead of HERO100, since that one is compatible with AT&T's 3G network.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
Is the Hero "A6262" the same as the Hero100 ?

Oh, excellent! Leave it to XDA to have clear answers in under 3 hours... vs days of unanswered questions elsewhere. Thank you so much, tsekh501. So, the Hero100 = Europe/Asia model = UMTS 900/2100 = Picture #2. Is this also known as HTC Hero A6262 Quadband 3G HSDPA GPS ? Because the designation "A6262" is the most common way the HTC Hero is denoted at various online vendors' sites.

The likelihood of my ever contracting with AT&T is so slim -- I plan to never forget their lead role in the domestic spying on every single person in the United States for all phone & internet traffic. This is why I never went for the iphone.

... But in the event I fell and hurt my head and lost all memory of their criminality, it would be best for me to wait a few weeks until the AT&T branded phones hit the secondary marketplace and are made avail online, unlocked ? (Scratch that. (a) I could not stand to look at that logo everytime I used the phone, and (b) their 3G network is so overtaxed and under-resourced, AT&T has actually been thinking of throttling usage of high-data users like iphone subscribers)

I see that now:

(This sounds pretty snide... but who knows, maybe given the Hero's older processor, compared to the new Motorola DROID and the HTC Leo, maybe it's true:)

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Thanks -- my first thread in the Hero forum and a home-run reply in post#2. Thanks very much!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
Item 1, the T-Mobile G2 Touch does exists - it just doesn't support the bands listed under it. It just a "normal" GSM Hero branded by T-Mobile for its european networks. My guess is that whomever put together that table on PDAnet saw it said T-Mobile and just assumed it would be for T-Mobile US. This is further evidenced by the model number, which remains Hero 100.

To be honest, if you want a GSM Hero, they are all basically the same at the moment with the only differences being the colour and the pre-installed apps in the ROM. For example SEE Hero's don't seem to come with the Market. Oh - an the white Hero is teflon coated too! ;) Allegedly a Canadian network (Rogers?) will be launching a GSM Hero which supports AT&T 3G bands (Hero 130), but that doesn't help you much if you are staying with T-Mobile US.

So, my advice is - pick a colour!

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tsekh501:
There exists a Hero with the name of (1) T-Mobile G2 Touch, which is basically (2). But there does NOT exists a Hero with the spec listed for (1) above. T-Mobile G2 Touch is (2) branded for T-Mobile in Europe and is NOT compatible with the 3G network of T-Mobile USA.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tsekh501:
No, what I was saying is that this Canadian carrier, Telus, will be releasing a version of HTC Hero, HERO130, that will be compatible with AT&T US 3G network. It is very unlikely that AT&T themselves will carry the HTC Hero or any Android phones for that matter anytime soon.

(a) It won't be AT&T branded. It may be Telus branded, but it hasn't been released yet, no one knows what Telus will do to it. No one knows at the moment whether there will be a generic unlocked version of the Hero available in the Canada either.

(b) Yes I have read that. But what I've read is that they have this "unlimited" data limit of 5GB per month. Once you reached that they will start throttling your data usage. Seriously, 5GB is A LOT. My normal month data usage does not exist 500MB, and I am using an Android phone. Unlike you enjoy sitting at a no-wifi cafe and stream video all day, or play online games (do they even exist on Android?) it is pretty hard to hit 5GB. And if you are sitting down and want to do this kind of data heavy thing, normally you would much prefer to hook up with a wifi hotspot. Mainly for speed reason.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Twenty4:
The Telus version is the A6265. Lets hope these get unlocked soon so I can use it on AT&T
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
Thanks! ... so let me add the pic here, just to get them all captured and differentiated in one spot:

The Telus version: the A6265

Fishing around, i found this comment, fyi:

from HTC's website:

and from Telus Mobility:

No Contract price: $499

from Android Central: Telus Hero unboxed "Surprise: Unbranded"

from Howards Forums:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
thanks tsekh -- your knowledge is invaluable.

THIS was the article I was speaking of ... indicating there is further thinking going on, don't you think?

The reason for my followup here is to say I've now thought it through, and (a) I want the brown handset -- so that's GSM Europe/Asia, since Telus is only offering the handset in black or white, and (b) I'll be satisfied with 2G and wi-fi. Thanks again.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tsekh501:
Nice. But unbranded does not mean that the phone is unlocked (although there is a chance that it is), there is still "Telus" written on the box. I won't be too worry about the possibility of unlocking it though, given we have seen what the people here can do.

I am using the European version on AT&T and am thinking about selling mine and importing the Telus version.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Raspster:
Can't find the Telus version anywhere on the web other than ordering from the telus website which does NOT ship outside of Canada.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tsekh501:
I guess they will start popping up on eBay very soon.

I am asking a friend of mine who lives in Canada to get one from Telus directly.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] blackvyper:
The 'older' processor of the Hero? How new is the DROID's processor going to be? Read this review and see for yourself:

http://nerdworld.blogs.time.com/2009/11/05/motorola-droid-review-verizon-wireless/
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
Errhhh - that is what I said!

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
Well I didn't author the snide comment... CNET did. But here are the specs compared in PDAdb.net:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=2011&id2=2061
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
Best Buy Canada -- now has the Telus Heros for sale (stores only)

It says they are only for sale IN STORES ...

(that last $999.99 is probably meant to be $99.99 -- same as the white phone for 3 year contract; same as on Telus website)

Home > Best Buy Mobile > Cell Phones > Smartphones > Telus > Product Information
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
The Arm Cortex-A8 core at the heart of the Droid is a much more modern design than the Arm-11 core in the Hero's Qualcomm processor. Clock for clock, you can expect it to be significantly faster.

See this article comparing the two cores in the iPhone. Whilst they don't use the same SoC as the Hero and Droid, they are based on the same Arm cores (iPhone 3G - ARM11, iPhone 3GS - Arm Cortex-A8) so the comparisons are likely to be apposite.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
Dave, you are a master of info. I'm only 2 days into this Hero forum (after 3 years on the windows mobile forums here), and you really deliver the goods. I look forward to getting my phone. I'm sure this Hero forum will be great for development.

This was very cool to read in that article, so thx for the reference.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Raspster:
I really don't have any plans of getting the verizon version (Eris) as I feel it was built on the same set as the sprint version and will most likly suck in the battery department as the GSM version does not. Ohwell, hope we see theses soon. I can't find a single shop in canada that will ship to the USA... :(
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Twenty4:
Well the contract from when I bought my Tilt two years ago just ended. I will be buying the Telus Hero as soon as I can find one. Then I will research which non-smartphone I can get from AT&T with the biggest turn around on Ebay.

That way I can get keep the cheap data plan I have now and re-coupe some of the cash from paying full price for the Hero.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
Just as a cross-reference, here is the thread at HowardForum about USA folks trying to obtain the Telus model from Canada. Someone in that thread indicates he might be willing to drive up there and buy some... So if that interests anyone, you might want to post something there...

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1585687

VIDEO of Telus Hero:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaITBpwZF_Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6WNFAMucWw
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
from BGR: unlock code required for telus model

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/10/31/telus-to-offer-gsm-htc-hero/comment-page-1/#comment-644723

from HowardForums:

http://www.howardforums.com/showpost.php?p=13207194&postcount=16
[Hero, G2 Touch General] quicksite:
fyi...

posted at ebay.ca

http://cgi.ebay.ca/UNLOCK-CODE-FOR-...emQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item4a9c035349

fyi only. i am not verifying this seller or his offer. b
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tsekh501:
Does the Telus Hero require activation before doing anything? I am asking my friend in Canada to order 1 for me without contract. Do I need to take care about activation before unlocking it?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] zenonasz:
Hi, i really need you guys help.

i am currently in the uk and i bought throught ebay a verizon htc droid eris.

i would like to know the posibilities of not work here in the UK and why? please clear this things out to me asap.

i would realy like a fast answer as i may still have time to cancel the purchase and get a refund.

Thanks.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] bjg222:
Verizon and Sprint in the US use CDMA networks, whereas most of the rest of the world uses GSM networks. Therefore, whereas with most phones you can unlock the phone and use any sim card in it (so long as it has the right frequencies), with a Verizon or Sprint phone, you cannot, as they don't have a SIM card. So the Verizon Droid Eris you bought most likely won't work for two reasons:

-It's a North American phone and doesn't have the frequencies used in the UK & Europe

-It's a CDMA phone, and so can't be unlocked and has no SIM Card slot.
[General Topics] gtrab:
I need a second phone, I want it to have windows mobile, and I want it very very small.

Requirements: small size, touchscreen, small size, windows mobile, and small size :D

Any suggestions ???

Thanks !!

PS: It MUST be VERY small :rolleyes:
[General Topics] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Go to this page, and input your desired specifications. Hit "Start", and look at the results. In my test search for a device like the one you requested, I checked "Mini Device", set "Operating System" to "Windows CE", checked the box that says "Integrated Cellular Phone", and set "Pos. Device" to "Touchscreen". Searching with those terms should return devices that match what you want. Hope you find what you're looking for.
[General Topics] gtrab:
Actually that was the last page in my browser before hitting the "new thread" button here @ the "ole trusted" xda-devs forums :D

Yes, tech specs can be compared there, but the in-hand feel of a given device is somehow subjective (slim and not tall, but wide, vrs a small foot print front-looking thicker device, etc), so I wanted to hear some user oppinions

Thanks anyway !!

Will keep searching, and will take your advice regarding those parameters
[General Topics] jez83uk:
I think the HTC Niki was quite small with a 2.6" screen, but the sliding keyboard might make it a bit fat.
[General Topics] owziee:
Isn't the Diamond 1 small enough???
[General Topics] orb3000:
Hi,

What about this one?

Oops! I think it´s not touchscreen... and no HTC :(

http://cellphones.engadget.com/2006/02/28/axia-launches-a308-worlds-smallest-windows-mobile-phone/
[General Topics] BenF1:
Diamond 1 is the smallest useable winmo device.
[General Topics] Master_H:
Yes, it definitely is the smallest one. Unfortunately also regarding the battery. With 900mAh it is way to little.
[General Topics] Aqrab:
the diamond 1 is a very good device and its small the only thing bad about it is the crap CPU , it become hot when charging or playing with the phone and its also slow, in other word 528mhz FAKE

HTC Touch Cruise 09 is also the best qvga windows mobile out there
[General Topics] DarkVillain:
Pantech has a tiny phone

I think the Pantech Matrix Duo is a tiny WinMo phone, about the smallest I've seen, but I'm also pretty sure that it's not touchscreen. You can see more on it at the AT&T site, which is where I found it at.
[General Topics] gtrab:
thanks to all for your suggestions and comments
[General Topics] bieza:
Maybe the Neonode N2 is the smallest one? Last week i saw a new one at ebay.de from a powerseller for 69,90€ (buy it now). It has a 2" touchscreen.

http://www.neonode.com/
[General Topics] ed3080:
HTC Jade

Try Jade. Its small and pocketable. I have it for almost a year now.
[General Topics] Master_H:
ehm, he wants a WM Phone. :rolleyes:
[General Topics] bieza:
Where is the problem? The HTC JADE and the NEONODE N2 are both Windows Mobile devices... So what???
[General Topics] josefcrist:
are you sure that the n2 runs windows mobile?
[General Topics] bieza:
Japp I think so, because this is what you can read on several pages:

http://www.neono.de/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neonode#N2_Facts

http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/neonode-n2-black-unlocked/4505-6452_7-32815659.html#cnetReview

Some Pages say it has WinMO 6.0 Pro and some say it has Windows CE. On youtube you can find videos which shows the Windows CE Interface.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] saumaun:
Did a quick search and came up dry...

Has anyone made tools to change the Touch Pro 2 splash screen? The rs - nb converters I have were from the TP1.

If so, do the tools still have the glitch where the bottom 100 pixels were black?

Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
I think this tutorial (with attached tools) is what you're looking for. I can't say about the 100 pixels bug, since I haven't done this on a Rhodium yet. Hope that helps
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] saumaun:
That is EXACTLY what I needed! Thank you SO much for that link! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
No problem, I'm glad I could help:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Resolved.

Dave
[Touch CDMA General] ss0mohit:
how come android won't work on my vogue. i downloaded...

www.myhtcphone.com/vogue-cab-installer

and nothing happened, i tried to boot it up, and nothing happened, just said "data.img needed" i'm using an 8 gb card with about 1 gig of music.

i also tried to boot it up via the storage card. said "storagecard2/default.txt could not be found. in haret.exe.
[Touch CDMA General] jamezelle:
http://vogue-hero.googlecode.com/files/%21%21%21HOW%20TO%20for%20ANDROID%21%21%21[/URL enjoy
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] da9th_one:
just got my invisible shield in the mail today...!!! after reading the instructions, i was taken aback by ghastly 12-24hr drying period...

i was thinking about putting the tp2 in my car, let up the windows, and turn the heat on high...i don't think it will damage the phone, and will speed up the drying time...wudda ya think...???

what did you do, if anything, to speed up your drying time...???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] what150:
lol man I'm sure about leaving the TP2 in the car to dry up is a good idea... these things take time and patience. If you rush into it the outcome most likely messed up.

Cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dougstoner:
If you are trying to shorten the time, I would just use a hair dryer on a lower setting for a bit. I had an old MDA that I dropped in water. I took the battery out, and used a hair dryer, then placed next to a fan for several hours. Popped in the battery and it worked fine.

Definitely take the battery out, just to make sure, but on a lower setting, you should be fine.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] qtipextra:
Hey guys im looking for a network security analyzer that can essentially sniff out WEP and possibly WPA keys on wireless networks.

Any suggestions?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Broman400:
Never on PPC, maybe in like 20 years.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] qtipextra:
Well that may be true. IDK. I was searching and found a few tools, but they are years old and all the links are dead now.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] d0ugie:
Well if you want to do this right you do it with Linux using Kismet, airsnort, airsnort-ng and aircrack. I suppose it's *remotely* possible you could boot up an android port on your fuze and somehow install those programs and get to a command line. On a Windows machine, all I know of is Wireshark, used mainly for wardriving.

As far as your phone goes, Airscanner is a packet sniffer that may work on your phone. But you have to start wifi and actually join the network you want to sniff (I'm pretty sure) so you won't be getting any wifi password but perhaps if you know how to parse data from a packet sniffer theoretically text someone sends on instant message to someone. If your Fuze is like my Tilt 2, you start it, hit continue for the 30 day demo (plenty of time for you to realize this is not going to help you), then select Broadcom 802.11 DHD Network Adapter (again, that's for my phone, not necessarily yours -- if it doesn't work keep trying others).

Then you have to somehow get this thing on promiscuous mode otherwise you're just sniffing your own packets.

You have to be very good and determined to crack even a WEP key with the right tools which you do not have. If I were you I would just ask whoever owns the router nicely to let you use their network. Or use GPRS.
[General Questions and Answers] jimspoon:
I'd like to find a utility that will give me a list of all files in my ROM (name, size, date modified, directory), and the total size of files in ROM.

Also the same file list and total size of files in Storage Memory.

I want to be able to save the lists so I can study them.

I can list files on the device using Windows Search on the desktop, but it doesn't give a way to limit the list to files in ROM, or files in Storage Memory.

Total Commander (on the device) lets me include or exclude ROM files in

directory lists, but that's about it. With "Hide Files in ROM" unchecked, I displayed the Properties of the \Windows folder. It shows 101,115,808 bytes which must be wrong - my flash memory is only 128M total.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] luismatos123:
Hello. Iam a owner of an htc diamond. when i use the htc unlocking software i get this error: ERROR 262

this error happens at step 2 (flashing radio) i get always and error at 95% of process: ERROR

with the following details in the coloured screen:

DIAM 64M

SPL - 1.24. HARD

MicroP-Diam (LED) v11

PSOC - Diam STAGE_PVT v0x30

Upgrade Rom code error

Please try again

also. when i start flashing, it says Image from: 1.97.163.4 TO 1.20 Olinex

what can i do? i always got success unlocking htc diamond? what is the problem with this one?

thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] hksin:
A brief explaination below (took me few days before I figure out)

Step 1- Hard SPL

Step 2 - Flash to Olinex customed radio (You need radio 1.00.25.05 or lower in phone to be able to flash olinex customed radio)

Step 3 - Run program to unlock security/sim (you need olinex radio to run this program)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] luismatos123:
It worked!!! thanks for the solution!!!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] chivas228:
what if my radio is 1.00.25.08? which Hard-SPL is recommended? thanks!!!