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[G1 General] sonikamd:
but but.. I like snickers! now what?! ut oh here we go again...

Like stated in several other previous posts every one likes something different. I'll be happy to admit

Dwang

put out a hell of a fast rom. Even with with window animations and auto rotate on it barely lags.

But as

Dwang

put it, he's not planning on adding any 'fancy' features, just focused on speed and stability. So you get a fairly stock, fast and stable rom and add the features your self.. Your basic Peanut butter cup..with voice navigation!

Now I've never tried

Cyan's

roms. But, from what I've read their full of neat features. And Cyan is always trying to pack more and more features into the rom. So if your looking for feature rich Cyan should really satisfy you... hm, maybe it's time I try Cyan's latest rom.

On the other hand

enomther

keeps it clean, as stock as you can get by my measure without going unrooted, much like the JF roms back in the day. So if you're looking for stock w/root I'd say that's the way to go..

And then there's...

xRom

..

SenseHero

..

MLIGN

..

S-Blur

.. The list goes on for quite a while, and every one is worth atleast reading about. Read, read, read and decide for yourself. Once you have root and a decent recovery the hardest part about trying out a rom is downloading it. Also let the cook know of any NEW issues you run across in the rom's thread, without us letting the cooks know what bugs we run across they might not know where to make improvements. and NO, "this rom sucks, if force closes all the time" is not a good way of critiquing a rom, Be specific..

Every Rom on here is EXPERIMENTAL, hell you hacked your phone just to get this far, and a bug here and there is to be EXPECTED. These cooks work their tails off for free to give us "bleeding edge"(as mentioned earlier) software.

Anyway, figured I'd throw my nickle out there. Big thanks go to every body who's attempted to cook a rom, even if you failed you're two steps cooler than I :)
[G1 General] dreamhunterr:
I'm all about choice. Android is all about choice.

While I see no harm in an unbiased comparison, what you sir do, is, in my honest opinion, plain badmouthing; I mean, you just need to read the title of the thread...It's not about challenge. It never was. If you follow, as lots of us do, multiple developers by their twitters, xda-threads, wtv, you'll see they're all about sharing stuff, thanking each other and contributing to the Android community. Surely each one has their own vision and approach, but that's the beauty of this 'world'.

People like you disgrace a community. I hate you, I hate you, I hate you, I hate you. There, I said it. :D

Before I get banned, I don't hate you as a person. I hate you as a concept, an ideology of a counter-productive attitude towards the development of an amazing community.
[G1 General] raven2000:
If it is a problem with cookie why does the problem only happen with Cyanogen rom?

If you read the whole thread you would have known Comment 5 is not solution as people have tried it and still have the same issue.

I tried everything I could think of and from that issue thread but it didn't solve my issue.
[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
I vote for Dwang. Cyanogen, since 4.0.4, has just not been stable for me at all.

Thanks for posting this thread. I suggest though, that someone put up a voting site and make that the definitive source.
[G1 General] B-man007:
I havent twisted his words nor ignored others opinions. I took a stance against the OP's forced opinion.

=stability. Work in the software industry and thats exactly what they tell you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stability_Model

Read through that

none of that can be achieved if the software is slow because it will require maintainence to speed it up as time progresses

Nothing is said here on why they got mad. For all i know, they were pissed because they didnt know how to turn it on

Never had a forceclose on cyans 4.2 builds yet. no complaints either. Lady test is irrelevant. That would be sexism......

Cyan's ROM is about usability. Many features geared towards "real working professionals" have been added to Cyanogen's rom. If you don't need them, as most consumers who don't need their phones to get business done, then you stick with a mostly stock Dwang or enomther rom. It would be just like a tmo OTA with root, along with a few mods, and a custom kernel. No additional features for working.

What exactly do you use your phone for in business? Because I highly doubt you really need it for anything business related other than gmail. I actually use my phone for a lot of things, and only Cyanogen has the full feature set i need. He also has these features out much before anyone else.

I know this, but setting the CPU to 384mHz overrides cyanogens custom scaling of the CPU, which is a modification of the rom which means that benchmark is no longer valid.

Never had any problems with stability and i use my phone extensively. I have looked through Dwangs edits and kept up with them (and even made a template for them) Yes ive tried it, and no i did not think that any speed increase (which was not noticable by me) was worth losing the features i had in cyans rom.

You can easily find out what people think in terms of speed by looking through their threads if you dont want to try them yourself. Lots of comparisions are posted. I personally hate it when people listen to what other tell them like sheep without really objectively looking at it themselves. I have no doubts that Dwangs rom is fast and stable, but I wouldnt believe just because I saw someone that says it. I've personally tried them, not a huge difference other than the lack of features.

Read comment 106

I think you'll like that. (yes i read the whole thing)

This stuff is Android related. It is more prominant in cyans rom due to the sheer number of users as well as the compromises that cyan has to make to maintain legality. If you know how to read logcats....you'll know this

Most of these failures are attributed to Google Apps. In the past, cyanogen ironed out these failures himself before his C&D. Now hes not allowed to touch them.

^ This is how a good comparision can be made. Add legit benchmarks to that and that should be a much better way of comparing roms than whats offered by the OP

EDIT: 1000'th post
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
I switched from Cyan's ROMs a couple weeks ago due to this http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmod/issues/detail?id=647

It is a problem quite a few are having and its not being addressed, and its only listed as a medium priority when it disables the entire phone for many people. I couldn't use the phone normally, so I switched to Dwangs! It has been smoking fast and stable ever since! I didn't realize my G1 could work this good.

All that fancy stuff isn't worth a hill of beans if it doesn't work and makes the phone unstable.

Also, Dwang does everything I ask of it, and it does it well! The usb tethering in cyan would not even allow me to connect my phone to adb!
[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
Cyan- Stable, most popular, more options and customization features, tons of themes, cyan updater app is a nice touch.

Dwang- Just as stable, said by community to be the speediest(personally I agree), more stock but with the expected hacks, more themes comming out, more free RAM for better multi-tasking

Cyan - Strawberry jelly

Dwang- Grape jelly

They both are great but its up to you what you want on your sandwich. End of discussion.
[G1 General] :
Bman007

Here is how I use the phone business or not business related.

995 contacts

6 calendars each one fully packed.

Average of 50 relevant (not spam) emails a day - many answered on my phone.

Google Reader (greed) from 5 sources - acts as my newspaper.

Avg 35 phone calls a day

20+ text messages/day

6GB of mp3s which I listen to often when on the road (with stream to FM radio)

IpCamViewer with 3 streaming cams.. which I check twice a day.

5 home screens with 4 widgets (battery, weather, pure calendar, overclock widget)

Google Navigation used at least once or more a day

Y5 Software to turn on/off wifi automatically depending on cell towers within reach.

Software that records every phone call automatically (that's a big one)

2300mAh battery to power it all

Now each one of the activities above overlaps with many others... for example getting phone call, while checking calendar, while the phone call is being recorded.. trust me, put a Rom through the tasks above at random overlaps.. do it for a week and you get a very clear picture. And my lady's use case is similar.

I can't tell you, that if you take a cyan rom, have x y and z app open and do m... and get you a reproducible freeze. But I can tell you that most rom's slow down massively, give you wait times of 5 seconds, or mostly give force closes left and right. With other rom's I constantly had to task-kill apps.... , or phone doesnt answer, is unresponsive etc... Dwang fixed all that.

SetCpuBenchmark: well I set min and max freq. to max, then benchmark it.

Lady Test: Is very relevant.. it's the barrier from geek, to real life. And also stability... you and I can reflash (just don't have the time), task kill, optimize, wipe this cache and that...
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
Funny you should post that just as the fix was deployed (check the bottom of the thread)...
[G1 General] B-man007:
Not stored on your phone its in the cloud.....irrelevant

see above

see above (and im pretty damn sure your not using exchange like 95% of business' mail)

where are you getting at.....all this is stored in the cloud. all this has an effect on is the amount of bandwidth and storage used.

ok...you use it like a phone.

Who woulda thought. I have anywhere between 20-40 calls a day when im in town, more when im out of town (which i am right now) I burned through 2500 minutes in the last 3 weeks.

20 texts a day, seriously? That is nothing. just look at a teenagers usage.

o wow 6gb of music on my sd card......thatll kill any rom but dwangs....

not seeing how that has anything to do with rom endurance....

finally something performance related. but i have you beat. 4 widgets? seriously? i have all 5 homescreens full

facebook, eray, weather widget donate, google search, sdsplit, power widget, calendar, adv. task manager, internal memory widget, sd memory widget, music, pandora, etc.

NO LAG

unofficial modifications

not valid

Have both of them as well. no problems with them

are you here to brag about your phone or stick to rom performance?

ive been doing this for 6 months with cyans rom. the only time i had any problems was during one of his experimental releases

You must be doing something wrong because i dont have any of those problems

you still overrode cyans settings which renders that test invalid.

and thats still sexism

I like how you avoided my main points in my last post
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
yes... thats awesome.. I have it starred so I just got the emails on it...but no way I could have waited three weeks for that fix! I reported it on Oct 28, and now its November 18 and this is the first time a fix has been attempted.

I hope it works! Maybe if something breaks on Dwang I will go back! I just never saw anything close to the stability and speed I see with Dwang when I was using Cyan.
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
What complete tosh. Of course the contacts and appointments are stored on and searched the phone - so obviously the application open and search times depend on your phone. Do you really think your phone pulls all the data from the cloud every time you look at a phone number? Have you any idea what sync does? One born every minute. :D
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
Yea wierd conicidence. Would put all the balme on the devlopers though - reads to me like they acted as soon as they got a decent log/dump to trace the problem.
[G1 General] B-man007:
Read the last line in that quote. Since they are stored in a cloud, once the phone syncs, the data is stored and its done with. The reliability of having these contacts available when needed is not affected. Its not like the ROM can mess with the contacts unintentionally. The number of contacts is irrelveant as he made no mention of having to search through those contacts. He was trying to use sheer quantity to justify that dwangs rom was faster. The search algorithms are exactly the same. It will take the same amount of calculations to find it on dwangs as it will on cyanogens. The only difference would be when browsing.

In fact, for the next rom, cyanogen will be incorporating

All the data stored in the cloud is synced and cached on the phone. None of this has anything to do with ROM performance because the search/access algo's will be the same
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
Rubbish - all the lookups you do on the phone are against the local data, NOT the cloud.

RUBBISH - the contacts you see are stored on your phone (but backed up to the cloud)

RUBBISH - the calendar you see is stored on your phone (but backed up to the cloud)

RUBBISH - emails you read and compose are stored on your phone (but backed up to the cloud)

RUBBISH - downloaded articles are stored on your phone - not in the cloud. And how can the news affect the "storage used" but not have an effect on the resources available on the phone?

Again and again you miss the point. What happens when you turn your radio off? Do you lose all the info on your phone? Of course not.

Perhaps you need to learn how you phone works before trying to shoot everyone else down. Syncing with the cloud is just for backup and change replication. Apart from the resource taken whilst replicating the databases, it has NOTHING to do with the immediate performance or speed of the phone and its UI, which is the headline topic we are discussing here. You seem to have got lost in the smoke and mirrors and think the "cloud" is something magical which absolves the phone of all storage and data management responsibilities - it isn't. The G1 uses local databases for all its PIM information just like any other smartphone. Time taken to open the Contact or Calendar apps, searching for records, and the impact from large PIM databases on overall system memory and performance has EVERYTHING to do with, and is determined by, the phone - not the cloud!
[G1 General] kirandeep:
Alec seems like a troll, its plain to see that people choose what ever rom suits them. But to ram it down peoples throats like this again and again and ignoring all common sense just seems to me like trolling.

Ok we get the point you like Dwangs rom as do many others but to CONSTANTLY put down Cyans rom is just plain ignorant and rude. I think if he is ignored he will crawl back under his rock!!
[G1 General] kirandeep:
sorry double post!
[G1 General] B-man007:
I've already stated its stored on the phone three times. The sync comment was related to reliability for the contacts to be there. I even said that its stored on the phone. alec wants stability over speed. My original post you keep referencing was not gauging speed. I was still talking about stability.

learn2read. and clouds are magical
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
Make your mind up :) A while ago you said he just wanted the fastest.

Why can't you just recognise that the whole point of his post was to seek BOTH? In case you missed, it, there's one or two clues:

SPEEDiest stable donut ROM

FASTEST stable (everyday use) DONUT/HERO ROM

MOST ROMs suck in terms of speed. They are slow if you fill your agenda and contacts and add a few widgets

HERO's suck... haven't found one yet that just eliminates waiting. I just can't deal with waiting 5 seconds when moving out of an app to home or.. into another one.. While some ROMs are trying to be fast.. Speed & everyday stability everyday use. And I mean not fast right after you flashed it I mean still fast after weeks of use. Many Ron's just come to a creeping halt.. after a while... However a ROM has to be STABLE first (meaning no force closes even after a while) and once it delivers that, then it has to be FAST.

So far I found ONE ROM that is far and beyond above the rest... and it is the current speed champion Dwang

It is stable, has a black theme, bluetooth (don't quite need it though), but is SUPER FAST

I am just a simple guy who wants a fast and stable donut/hero.

If I can get same speed as Dwang in a hero, I'd love to have a hero.

For now Dwang is the reigning Speed champion.

Concentrating on just one half of the equation just makes the whole discussion pointless. As does alec's subsequent decrying of anything else but dwang.
[G1 General] B-man007:
haha well he changed his OP. When i first read it, all he wanted was speed. thats why my first few posts were oriented towards that lol.

stability seemed to be a second concern. When he brought it up as his main concern a few posts ago, i changed to stability

Im pretty sure he changed the op quite a bit because i read it a few days ago when it was first posted...and it doesnt look like it did then... even so, in his current OP, hes not making a proper argument lol. going about how hero sucks and everything is slow for him for the first few sentences, then saying he wants stability over speed. its all confusing!

I wholeheartedly agree with the last sentence on your post lol
[G1 General] kirandeep:
are you alec?.....just recycling same thing he said...and reading it again, it seems even more like a troll posting....:D
[G1 General] :
Bman007

The edit was mostly rephrasing... the focus was always fast and reliable from the beginning. So seriously your posts just are not very qualified.. and show more about who you are then what your opinion is. Didnt u say you were Software Developer... and thought everything is stored in the cloud... I'll let that stand by itself. It was alwasy fast and stable.. and if you can't read it in my comments you get the point from many other postings that constantly highlight that they appreciate the same about dwang no force closes, and fast. And many of those non edited.

So if you have issues with this thread, you should just skip it, ignore it move on... ok do us all a favor because you a) can't read b) your comments don't make sense and c) you'r e not the target group for this thread anyway.
[G1 General] B-man007:
Cloud can mean a lot of things. Cloud is also used as a reference to the internetz when data is accessible there such as email and contacts. True cloud computing is done completely over the internet such as with Google Docs.

a) I can't read improper grammar coming from uneducated people. b) I think what I'm saying is far above your head. c) You're right, I'm not a mindless sheep that bows down to the almighty baldwin
[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
I liked all the colors
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
Thats very patriotic but he didn't change it...read back through the posts!
[G1 General] B-man007:
enlighten me
[G1 General] t1n0m3n:
After using dwang for a few days, I have to say that it is definitely not the speediest rom out of the box. That award goes to Cyanogen 4.2.5. I put dwang about on par with Cyanogen 4.2.4 regarding speed. However, the dwang 1.13 rom *just works*

I have been very unsatisfied with Cyanogen's roms since the whole Google debacle. There has been something just not quite right since then. I cannot put my finger on it exactly, but I sometimes I would have to launch an app a couple of times to get it to run, sometimes I would get force closes and waits at random, things would sometimes hang, and every couple of days the phone would tend to freeze/reboot itself. This has not the case since I have loaded dwang 1.13. Time will tell whether or not dwang continues to be as rock solid and speedy as it is currently for me.

All rom changes for me include a full SD card/nvram wipe/repartition/format (including the FAT32 /sdcard partition) with all apps being pulled from the market every time. I did try an upgrade from 4.2.4 to 4.2.5 but that was immediately wiped and installed fresh after all of the force close issues.
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
Maybe alec change rephrased some of the OP wording, but it was still blindingly obvious to most readers from the outset that speed AND stability were the ultimate goal. It's even stated in the Title.

Maybe you should look again at alec's followup posts which are consistent in this requirement, e.g. post #7 on the same day, before you entered the fray, which has NOT been edited:

Still not get the picture? If you fail to comprehend that, then perhaps your reading skills are not as good as you thought, or you are simply incapable of understanding the original aim? Whilst I accept that alec's subsequent approach and intransigence has done him no favours (nor have his direct attacks on developers in other threads), the same could be said for your inability to accept any criticism of your favourite ROM's performance, or to understand any of the counter points being put forward. On that basis, it's simply pointless having the discussion.

Amazing that someone who claims to be so well versed in the "software industry" and educated in English grammar has such difficulty understanding the difference between basic words like AND and OR or the concept of BOTH!
[G1 General] B-man007:
Maybe you yourself should learn to read before calling others out on it

I do not mind criticism of cyanogens roms, but all the problems here (except for a select few) are unrelated to his rom, poorly documented (i.e it just plain sucks), or as simply people bashing cyan for not fixing all the problems that are in android ASOP rom's.
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
I don't need to refer to obtuse Wikipedia articles to know the difference between speed and stability, thank you. And despite what you try and claim, they can exist as separate entities in their own right, even though the overall user experience may be influenced by both.

Unlike you I also recognise that several people have given good reason by Cyan (or other) ROMs don't work well for them. Be that for initial responsiveness, eventual slow downs, repeated lockups or frequent forced closures.

How typical, then, that you chose to blindly dismiss those good people (and their genuine experiences and evidences) with a throwaway phrase like "all the problems here (except for a select few) are unrelated..."

Either ALL the problems are unrelated, OR they're not. You can't have it both ways. It's simply impossible for ALL the problems to be unrelated, AND for there to be exceptions.

Similarly, it's evident from this thread that NOT ALL people have had perfect experiences with Cyans (and other) ROMs. And that SOME have found other ROMs, including dwang, work better, for them. And even if some of those experiences are ineloquently expressed, it does not mean that they do not exist.

It's also true that different ROMs have different design aims, just as end users have different priorities and needs. Which means that no one ROM will satisfy all needs, and there will always be someone looking for something better. This thread started because one user was on just such a quest, having been frustrated by the lack of objective comparisions to allow an educated choice to be made without flashing every ROM under the sun.

That's called the real world, not living with your head in a cloud. Why can't you just accept that and move on?
[G1 General] Boonyard:
Ha ha! The irony! :D
[G1 General] B-man007:
If you don't want to refer to wikipedia then get a college education in software engineering/computer science. THAT is called living in the real world and not having your head in the cloud. Just because your definition of stability does not match whats used in industry (and therefore more relevant) does not mean that that definition is wrong.

I'm not blindly dismissing them. The "unrelated" problems I'm referring to are the problems that are in the ASOP master and are evident in all ROM's

See above

XD
[G1 General] iflyabeech:
that is exactly what you are doing...All I know is I had all sorts of problems on cyan and ZERO on Dwang... so they are not evident on all ROMS!!:rolleyes:
[G1 General] B-man007:
This is exactly what I'm talking about. You say you have problems but you don't describe them