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[Android Software Development] xdarkfirex:
Lets cross out the resolution. The touch pro 2 has a 800x480 screen. The droid is only 54pixels bigger. And at the screen size the droid is at that doesn't count for much.
[Android Software Development] treyatl2006:
Seriously 480X800 vs 480 x 854 pixels and 3.6 vs 3.7 is not noticeable at all.

Also the Droid has a 550 Mhz processor while the Touch Pro 2 has a 528 Mhz... I hardly consider that superior. Especially with all the issues the Droid has been getting!
[Android Software Development] itsjefflol:
I'm assuming you haven't looked into flashing a new rom to your phone, this would significantly improve your phone's performance, as far as adding extras to your phone, after flashing a new rom you could install Window's Marketplace (the install file will come with your rom most likely) and download whatever you want just like the Android Market and Apple's Appstore.

You will first need Hard-SPL, read this thread and take care of that:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=578660

Next, find a compatible ROM for your device, I would recommend this one:

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=86491

I don't have a Touch Pro Two, but I have flashed Windows Mobile ROMs for an AT&T Fuze and a Sprint Touch Pro and I know the process is very similar so if you wanna try this and need any help let me know :)
[Android Software Development] WiValdiBB:
EnergyROM works really fine on HTC Touch Pro. You can easily find that ROM and test. That of course Windows Mobile but You can also try how Android works. Greetings
[Android Software Development] suesargis:
android 2.0 is the same as these mentioned ROM's

Not clear on the replies. I have a Sprint touch pro2 and would also like Android 2.0 instad of winmo 6.1

How do I get it

thanks
[Android Software Development] xillius200:
Its windows

First and up most android is better more apps open source larger community cant get done for modding and android looks better. Secondly its windows come on blue screen of death lol. and thirdly last search in google i remember them saying yes you can run android on a windows mobile phone if i find the link again i will post it.
[Android Software Development] xillius200:
old news android on windows mobile

heresitrunnn on a widows mobile device in 2008!!!!! http://pocketnow.com/software-1/googles-android-runs-on-windows-mobile
[Android Software Development] xdarkfirex:
Android is phone specific. You need an android build that supports the touch pro2. 1 Rom doesn't fit all. Its the same for android custom roms and window mobile roms. You can't install a touch pro2 rom on a touch pro.
[Android Software Development] Sleuth255:
biggest hw difference = capacitive vs. resistive screen. Not sure which (if any) HTC phones have this obviously superior input capability yet...

droids are suffering from build related issues though. Most notably is a BSOD condition that requires connecting up to the charger to fix (even pulling the battery doesn't help). Also the audio jacks are breaking. Sounds a lot like the TyTN was....
[Android Software Development] ekeefe41:
I don't know the exact processor in the Touch Pro 2, but if it is the same 528 processor in the G1, Mytouch, and MoTo Click then the DROID processor is far superior. It is based in a different architecture and actually has a GPU (Separate Graphics processor).

If it is the same 528 processor, then yes the DROID is far superior.
[Android Software Development] hakeem9:
The DROID uses an ARM Cortex A8 based processor (the TI OMAP343) while the Touch Pro 2 (and basically all HTC devices other than the HD2) use the much older and much slower ARM11 processor (Qualcomm MSM72xx). Even though the clock speeds are similar (550 vs 528mhz) you can expect real world performance to be 200-400% improved with the OMAP3, due in part to the new ARM CPU and in part to the much better GPU and DSP.
[Android Software Development] hakeem9:
And here's how you do it:

http://alldroid.org/viewtopic.php?f=108&t=470
[Android Software Development] DeekoVB5:
The bigger point with the screen is capactive vs resistive, which is a VERY big difference.

As for the processor, mhz numbers don't tell the whole story. The HTC phones use a Qualcomm processor based on ARM11, the Droid uses a chip based on Cortex A8 - the A8 is CONSIDERABLY faster than ARM11 at the same clock speed.

Article on the subject, written by the founder of Anandtech: http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/
[Android Software Development] indelus:
Tp2.....hands down

Isnt this topic called Android on TP2????

I dont see any forum that has a topic called WM6.5 on Android.....Not even close.

So whats far more superior?!? A device that can emulate another os and more.
[Android Software Development] shasemac:
I think with a custom rom on my touch pro 2 is more than sufficient. The droid technology isn't up to its full potential yet. They are obviously headed in the right direction and the cosmetic aspect is enough to attract the average buyer. But for what counts the most I feel like the droid phones are about a quarter of the way up the mountain.
[Android Software Development] apreichner:
First off, I apologize for the other people's lack of response to the article at hand. As for the other people who did post links to Android on Windows Mobile, those links will not work as Android installations are device specific. Meaning and installation on one device probably wont work well for another.

Also, for those of you who posted instructions on flashing custom ROMs. While this may be a great idea for the time being, an Android installation can be run on basically any ROM. It doesn't matter if it is stripped or if it's the crap stock ROM. Once the Android image boots, it kicks Winmo off, and all processor and virtual memory goes to Android. So it is not an emulation, although it is booted from Winmo.

The Touch Pro 2 falls under the HTC Rhodium category on XDA-Developers, so most of your information on it, including Android ports, would be listed there. I did a quick Google search and found a thread with a bounty to get support for the TP2, so it should only be a matter of time.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=596370
[Android Software Development] M_T_M:
hahahahahahahaha!!! great response!! :)
[Touch Cruise 2 ROM Development] paulhaines:
Hi All - I am a nooby so please can you advise me on process, as I don't want to brick my HTC Touch Cruise 2

I got the latest English WM6.5 ROM from Billabong, and am trying to flash over USB. (note: I dumped my original ROM using pdocread earlier).

Device is on USB, ActiveSync

When CustomRUU is run, phone goes into 3 stripe screen, then hear a beep as windows plug and play drops the connect, then:

3 stripe screen shows 'USB" at bottom, and windows beeps again showing USB plug and play back up.

Both RUU and the phone then show the status bar at 0% for 5 minutes plus....but it never progressed, stays stuck on 0%

Then RUU says the "ROM update utility has encountered communications errors" and advises on the recovery...which works fine, I can boot to my original firmware (6.1) which means no update took place.

What am I doing wrong? I have seen stuff about HardSPL which needs to be run first? What is that, and must I really do that?

If I can't update over USB, I saw there are methods via SD? Can someone advise on that process. Preferably without bricking the phone!
[Touch Cruise 2 ROM Development] esnwizz:
Hi, see the sticky thread under ROM Dev -> HARD-SPL

you need to install HARD-SPL before your can run RUU to flash.
[Touch Cruise 2 ROM Development] paulhaines:
OK - many thanks for the quick response...I'll give it a go
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alextrox69:
i have a tmobile g1...will android 2.0 come to the g1 or will there be anymore updates at all....i know i can root my phone...but without rooting it will there be anymore offical updates/?
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] MaXmeOliver:
Hi! My power button dosen't work, is there a way to fix it? Or maybye a siftware that can do the same thing like the power button. Thanks in Advance.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario General] nandobang:
Hello ololizoz,

For a fix for the button, it depends on the problem itself. Maybe the plastic button isn't touching the eletronic button, for some reason. That would be a matter of replacement only. Otherwise, you/someone would need a small soldering equipment AND the right part to replace it.

If you don't mind using a software to power your screen on/off, try Homescreen++, I believe it can power the screen on and off.

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] clarkhopes:
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[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MarcLandis:
This has absolutely nothing to do with WindowsMobile or PDAs. Do you know about a site called Google?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mortrade:
hahahaha, yeah, a site call google
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] clarkhopes:
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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jopherr:
im using miri's manilla 2.1 rom but i decided not to use touch flow 3d.

on the "today" screen(now looks like a long flashy list rather than tf3d), the default browser is internet explorer how can i change this to opera (by registry hack or with cabs)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] afyfe:
did you ever sort this ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] siroftherings:
Is it possible to change the Auto Lock Time ?

Because is little to fast for me ...

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] laufine:
Did you install some autolock app？ In the original rom 6.1 or 6.5 there's no auto lock service. Or you mean the auto turn off backlight?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] siroftherings:
I have installed the EnergyROM 6.5 Akeo and there are only the possibility to activate or deactivate the AutoLock but I haven't found the possibility to change the time before the autolock start and is that new reliese is to fast
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cso5874:
Maye this is an answer.

Did you try looking in the Settings --> Lock?

There is a time setting there, and if you are looking for the screen time out, that is in ...

Settings --> System --> Power

under the Advanced Tab.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] siroftherings:
You mean the Lock with a Password and a PIN (and you MUST insetr a Passw or a PIN to activate that function) but i only need the AutoLock of the device.

Now is only 30sec. and is very very very short time !
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] peeps:
then change the power settings to turn the backlight off after 1 min instead of 30 sec
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] smittyofdhs:
that won't change the display timeout of the lock screen. Basically, if you lock the device, once locked the device will dim and shutoff the display after 30 seconds. The OP was asking how to adjust the timeout on the lock screen. Changing the power settings have no effect on the length of the lockscreen display timeout.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] trueg:
HKCU\ControlPanel\Backlight\

AutoDeviceLockTimeout = xxx

xxx is how long after the screen dims that the device will auto lock. For example a decimal value of 5 will mean that 5 seconds after your backlight dims, your screen will lock.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] cws05nuts:
opposite problem

My Hero would auto dim and then lock previously. I woke up this morning and it won't auto dim or lock. If I don't touch the end button the screen stays brightly lit and on whatever app was running or used last. I did not change any settings but when I went in to reset them and set it to 15 second timeout nothing has changed. Any suggestions?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3dD3vil:
about 3 week's ago, my diamond stopped working normaly, when going online, playing games, watching movies and so on the device just turns off after 10-20 minutes, like when pulling the battery out, and if i leave it off for almost 30 minutes and turn it on the battery is full. if i try turning it on earlier than 30 min the device acts like the battery is dead. is there a possibility that this is an error in the soft? i'm using the orifinal rom. i've tryed hard resetting and applying an rom update from HTC support site and the problem is the same. pleae can someone help me with an advice or something?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] grahamkdt:
Mmmm...

Sounds like it could be a faulty battery to me. Try cleaning the contacts on the battery and device, then reinsert the battery and use the device until the battery is completely flat. Do a full recharge with your device turned off and then try it again. If the issue persists I would try a new battery. They cost peanuts these days ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3dD3vil:
10x for the advice, a solutioned muy problem with a device change :P
[HD2 General] saulo866:
Yesterday I purchased a HD2 also called Leo, running original WWE ROM from HTC

I have installed several apps including Sloved dictionaries, Lingosoft dictionaries.

Some are in "touch mode" version, some are not. Those apps who are NOT in touch mode, are virtually impossible to operate, due to the new screen. Small Icons and scroll down menu are almost impossible to "touch" they never give the correct results.

Leo seems NOT very compatible. The reason, I guess, is the new screen type: it it different, it is similar to iPhone. They call it resistive screen.

Both iPhone and HD2 you cannot use stylus or pen (simply the screen does not react). Both cannot use the nail of the finger (it does not react).

The thumb and the finger tip areas (which is the only area which can input into the device) are too gross and wide to be precise....

You need to use the soft part of the finger (I guess in English it is called finger tip, or end of the finger), below the nail, in order to have the screen react to your inputs.

I have tried many times: in my software the small icons on top bars, and all scroll down menus ARE TOO SMALL to be tipped with finger tip or thumb tip.

They cannot accessed, or they give wrong results or you need tens of attempts to get it right. Most of the time inputs are not responsive, sometimes they are, with unpredictable or wrong results (for example you open phone ring scroll down menu and click on a ring type "A" and the phone interpret as ring type "C")

This is terrible...altough I admit the 4.3" screen is awesome and superb...What can be done?

1. is there an application which restore or adjust the screen sensibility so that it can be used with NON-TOUCH softwwares?

2. or are all developers going to release new touch-friendly version of their software...suitable to this type of screens?

Thanks a lot

Saulo
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
You can try pinch zooming.

They will, but it may take some time and won't happen overnight. They will have to do it to stay alive because of WM7 compatibility requirements.

It may be a (huge) inconvenience for some users like you, but it's a trend that won't be reversed.
[HD2 General] kinnyfaifai:
Congrats on the new handset.

The screen on the HD2 and the iPhone is capacitive, not resistive.

You can use a special kind of stylus, I believe some people have bought one for the iPhone on ebay. Also, HTC has patented a magnet tipped stylus which will work on capacitive touchscreens. As the HD2 is built with a 4.3 inch screen I don't think there will be much problems.

I can use my X1 without a stylus just fine.
[HD2 General] zolom:
Is it totally impossible to manage tiny acreen elements?:eek:

Is a conductive (metal) "stylus" possible?

Thanks
[HD2 General] madindehead:
A conductive stylus should be possible. Apparently, you get conductive plastics, which are used to package up ICs (integrated circuits), something like could work. But would would need to find a way to make it into a rod somehow. Would be expensive I imagine.

The are capacitive styluses on eBay. They are also quite cheap. However, their tips are quite large compared to a resistive stylus.

I'm going to experiment a little bit when I get my HD2 (hopefully on Friday).

But to be honest, I can use my finger for almost everything on my X1. And that was a tiny screen compared to the HD2. So I don't see the problem. Seems like a lot of people are making a fuss over nothing.
[HD2 General] be_vigilant:
I tried to use morph gear on mine and NONE of the buttons work at all.
[HD2 General] newuser888:
I guess the use of capacitive screen is only advantageous if and only if the OS and applications are designed for it. Window mobile would not be able to enjoy this benefit now. I hope WM7 would change that.
[HD2 General] DinoZ1:
HTC have licenced one already...
[HD2 General] madindehead:
They have filed a patent yes. They haven't made it yet tho. Certainly not to the general consumer.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
That's B.S

If you use softwares from 1996 then sure, it won't be finger friendly.

Almost all software from recent year are finger compatible.

I just went through all the software installed on my touch HD, from about 30 software installed zero are not finger friendly. The only thing I have non finger friendly is some of the WM6.1 screens.
[HD2 General] precsmo:
No, no one is making a fuss. I hate the stupid posts of "visible dot matrix in the screen, HD2 is slower than other phones, HD2 has no video out and so on". But I quite get the feel of problems the poster is trying to address. You didn't get the point here, X1 is with the typical resistive screen, it is entirely different when you operate on a capacitive screen, and it is not about the size of the screen. I now start to worry about the 3rd party apps as I've been relying on many apps with my Touch HD. I really hope somehow the software developers will come out with apps exclusively support HD2 capacitive screen!
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
I don't understand .. sure, it's harder to press small elements. But even now a lot of software is finger friendly, and the trend will only get stronger. Actually I use only fingers with my current X1, I use stylus like once per week, since some parts of WM 6,1 can't be used well with fingers.

Is there some other problem ? What do you mean by exclusive HD2 support ?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
For me personally, and, I believe, for many others, the major advantage of a capacitive screen is the glass screen surface and no need to use those stupid screen protectors anymore. I don't use outdated apps with tiny elements though, so it's not a big deal for me. If you are tied to them for some reason then it's a different story I guess...
[HD2 General] leftkats:
well it doesnt need to be exclusiveto the hd2... just finger friendly would do the trick... I use my stylus only on some drop-down menus...
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
Exemple of applications which are NOT working??
[HD2 General] kersh:
I got mine few minutes ago, I am using it, and I dont have ANY problem with tiny elements, maybe sometimes you need to click 2 times but nothing. 0 problems for me.

This device is fracking awesome.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
I did get the point. He said small menus are hard to press without a stylus.

I am asking why he finds this, as with a bigger screen (same resolution) the menus are now bigger. If I can use a small menu with my finger on the X1, the SIZE of the icon will be bigger on the HD2 (given the increase in screen size).

I wasn't saying that capacitive and resistive react the same way to a finger press. All the apps need, is to become finger friendly.

They won't react any differently on the HD2. Unless you have a drawing application you use, in which case that will be different.

But my original point still stands. The icons shouldn't be any harder to press on the HD2 as they will be bigger than on an X1 (I have smallish hands, but quite chunky fingers. I have press icons on the X1 fine, so I'm not worried about them on the HD2).
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
Even with big fingers, it's just a matter of skill. The phone detects center of pressed area and it always sends single point to the application. It does not mean that you can't press very small element with big finger, it just may be harder to hit.

I recommend simply trusting the device, not trying to do anything special ..
[HD2 General] saulo866:
let me clarify what I said: let me make some more examples to make you understand what huge discomfort this "otherwise awesome screen" is giving to me:

try for example, (on any HD2) to do the following:

settings > input > options > try to change default zoom level from 200% to 100% (you need to access zoom scroll down menu)...I have tried for 20 times and I failed...sometimes I get 300% sometimes I get 75%...no way you can select the right level.

No way you can use your nails (since the settings are in a small area)

any other settings in which you need to select a choice from a scroll down menu results in a pain and several attempts...

In this condition even the internal settings on wm 6.5 are hard to accomplish...better to shift back to HD1 or to iphone, whose software is simplified enough to make the use of thumbs finger possible
[HD2 General] Archer:
Just carry a laptop round with you that has MyPhone installed on it and use that. Simple!
[HD2 General] timewyrm:
May be a stupid question, but does screen orientation make any difference ?
[HD2 General] vanzelvoul:
I think that you either overeact or you just have extremely big fingers!

I did that very easily and if you cant do it just like that just pinch to zoom my friend and you get a big view of what you want to click!

So i think you are just overeacting here..
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
Also in lists you can click & drag until you hit the correct choice, then raise the finger. Easy to do with whole finger (not just nail) on my xperia and it is like 30% smaller.
[HD2 General] kersh:
Where are the input options on settings to try it?
[HD2 General] martoto:
Does the pinch-zoom work everywhere? Does it work in the standard WM interface as well?
[HD2 General] alexleon:
I ever used my htc hd without pen (ok..only for notes) and...i had wm6.1 rom wich is not finger friendly. so..why hd2 should be unusable despite wm6.5, senseUI and a huge 4.3"?
[HD2 General] jibotella:
Yeah, this is the point. If it works, then no prob at all, just zoom the part of the screen which has small icons in order to press them. Can anybody with an HD2 confirm this??
[HD2 General] sub69:
Don't really have time to check everywhere, but it certainly works for the example mentioned above (on the Input Settings Screen).
[HD2 General] martoto:
Well, I think you understand me what I meant. Just find a standard WM interface somewhere (outside the TouchFlo or any third party program) and try pinch-zoom. Try it in a couple similar standard settings panels and if it works on them we could talk only for inconvenience (just additional operation to allow working with small elements). But if it doesn't, then we have a real problem here not someone’s overreacting.
[HD2 General] Zepiii:
With HD Tweak, you can tweak the size of the "scroller" by the registry. I suppose it's still possible on the HD2 ;)
[HD2 General] apap:
Just to add my thoughts: One of my favorite apps is caligrapher that has hand writing recognition. This in conjunction with phatpad means you can write notes easily and have them recognized as text. As it happens I am much faster with pen writing than finger typing.

I would not mind if htc produces a new generation of Athenas (the once rumored Toth) which I could use primarily for taking notes (like a tablet) and scribbling drawings or reading ebooks with annotations and having an hd2 that is just finger friendly. It would be sad however if we all together lose stylus inputting.