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[G1 General] :
For beginners it is hard to see how roms compare without reading 400 comments to every rom, and testing them out by yourself. The title says stable and fast, and this thread is a discussion about that. For 95% of g1 users I would bet that this is what they are looking for stable and fast. Before a newbie has acquired the knowledge to try them all or his informed enough to see the difference between roms, that newbie has typically ventured already beyond that 95% user group.
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
speed is different in all areas.. i noticed when i did a speed test, i wouldnt get past 600kbps but on cyans i could reach 1mbps in the same area i did the test...right by my window in my room. i kept going back and forth to validate,and ive seena couple other ppl have this issue as well
[G1 General] :
Maybe those other people can post here themselves - they obviously are here on the forum and download Dwang's rom.. but have the issue and don't report it neither here nor in the Dwang rom thread...
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
well hero cant compare to donut roms in speed(on g1) since sense ui is a resource whore...hopefully maxisma is successful on making a rom without rosie,but with the same features as hero

i will be releasing a rom(based of akirahs 1.5.1 or JACs 1.6r2a for the flippin clock) with options, i just havent dont any editing for a couple weeks because of playing mw2. i got my copy early using the old lady employee and walmart trick.

but anyways my plans is first using making the main rom use swap,no bfs,or 10mb ram hack as default. and ask permission to use cyrowski kernals with bfs and ram hacks to give ppl options... but i will check capability first.

then uploading a few user.conf(maybe 4) tweaked for linux-swap and compcache i found to work best for me.

then using the idea(cant remember who thought of it...miketaylor,cyrowski,or twisted..idk) of putting certain apps on internal so they will load faster

examples of what i've done:

MLIGN alrdy asked me to combine ideas,but i want my own name.
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
theres a couple ppl who said they got a slower data speed on dwangs..cant remember which thread dwangs or cyans. its only under certain conditions...on dwangs it wouldnt go past 600kbps then i run the test a few times and averaged it out. then flashed cyans,speedtested and averaged it all out.. did this back and forth 4 times each in the same area(in my room beside my window)...there is sumthing in dwangs that is providing inconsistent 3g from my findings.
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
cant run a rom for one month since people always put out updates to their roms. and the moto droid is STOCK. u cant compare stock to custom esp when stock roms are filled with hidden bloatware.

and the 10mb ram hack is in the kernal or boot.img...only way to take it out is install a "clean" kernal thats capable
[G1 General] brian_v3ntura:
i would say dwangs is faster than your rom,but yours is fast enough and i can always add the 10mb ram hack if i wanted more speed here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=566410

i like all the themes being made since it add more variety to looks and i can always take them and edit to my liking since there is a variety of templates available
[G1 General] njuncos:
Opinions, Opinions

dwang's might be faster than cyanogen's, who knows...i would test it if i wanted to, but cyanogen's is so fast and stable already, i simply have no desire to...i mean, dwang, i have nothing against you or your ROM whatsoever, but you started your ROM based 99% off of cyanogen's. almost everytime cyanogen updates his features, you come along and do the same. Now maybe you have learned to compile your own kernels by now and that is awesome!

Don't get me wrong, I know Dwang has parted ways slightly from cyanogen's latest stuff, but guys/gals, these are both VERY FAST ROMs...for now, i will stick with cyanogen because i know he will drop eclair "legally" before anyone else does. And might I point out that cyanogen is the only one to have a "legal" ROM. For some reason, no one else feels they should follow suit...hrmph

Dwang, i have nothing but love for ya and I hope you continue in your efforts for the speediest ROM on the face of the earth!
[G1 General] dwang:
Another misinformed person. Why don't u read my first post on my thread before spouting off opinions that have no basis in truth.

Do I have enhancements from cyanogen, yes. To say that its 99% based off of cyanogen is patently false.

I started my rom during cyanogens bfs phase. Which means I had my own kernel from the beginning since I didn't like bfs. And my rom is based off donut.

I admire your loyalty to cyanogen, but why do u put down others? And these back handed complements don't count.

I've never once said anything negative about cyanogen.
[G1 General] njuncos:
sir, excuse me but if you re-read my post, you will see i did not once put you down. this is an opinion thread for one, so that i am entitled to. so saying it is 99% the same, i guess that would be true of all donut roms, so my bad. that was not a slam on you. i just noticed all the similarities.

again, i never put you down, in fact, i gave you compliments for your efforts. I myself know some java, but i wouldn't have the know-how to put out my own ROM. So, again, props for what you have done. From now on, I'll keep my thoughts to myself.
[G1 General] pjcforpres:
You put him down, underhanded and passive aggresively put him down, and directly put him down.

Why are so many in the Android community here a bunch of jack asses? XDA as a whole is full of great wonderful people, but it seems there are a bunch of ass gerbals here that are going for the underhanded asshole of the year award.

Why can't you all just respect what everyone is doing, and stop arguing over who has the biggest wang.

Dwang, love your ROMs and your attitude! Same goes for CM!
[G1 General] raven2000:
To you but not to people who are new to Dream.

I have wasted weekends trying out various ROMs only to find they didn't meet my expectations. I also agree with OP most ROM devs claim their ROM to be "stable" and/or "fast" but the ROM is anything but that.

If it wasn't for this thread I would not have known Dwang's ROM is fast and stable.
[G1 General] :
Dwang's rom is relevant to 95% of Dream users. And it took me a few weeks to find it.

Dwang if I were you I'd remove the quick&dirty-introduction to your rom, because it almost did not make me try it.... quick and dirty screams unreliable, sloppy and unstable, and this rom is EVERYTHING else but that. Its the most stable, most thought out, and fastest rom out there.. and whether it took you 20min or 500h to get there.. the fact is, it ROCKS.
[G1 General] phatmanxxl:
true dat, it was this thread that convinced me to try dwangs, I'm enjoying that RAM hack that's included.
[G1 General] brentcctx:
I'll chime in here too.

I was skeptical about the claims of Dwang's rom as well. Then a couple of weeks back, there was a lull in updates to CM, so I decided to give it a try. I was shocked to say the least. It's everything it claims to be (and more).

I'm certainly not knocking any of the other roms/devs out there, I'm not. I too just believe that most of the other rom developers make claims that usually can't be substantiated. I've always been disappointed if I wasn't using Cyanogen's, TheOfficial's, or xROM (during the 1.5 era). Those have always lived up to my expectations. Then came Dwang's, so add that to the bunch.

For now, Dwang's is my rom of choice. I'm sure that will change somewhere down the line. Look's like were in for a ride with 2.0 in the works right now. That's gonna put a good ripple into all of this. We're in for a ride.
[G1 General] njuncos:
check it out

A new ROM has just taken the crown for now...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=583668

It's m3s_4ev3r's SlackerXS-1.1[Hybrid]...it claims "Really Fast" AND "Quick and Dirty" It's based on cyanogen AND dwang COMBINED!! This ROM lacks A2sd, BUT, i'm sure it will get updated.

So how is it you ask??? Try for yourself. This ROM has some blazin speed and it is all thanks to m3s_4ev3r!! Keep up the kick ass work! You hold the crown...for now...
[G1 General] sahurbari:
thank you so much

How are you listen I'm going to get right into it. I'm a noob I don't really care I just wanted to say thank you for making this thread because I'm personally tired of flashing every rom to see if it work.I have 4.2.4 cyanogen an I hate it I had problems that went a away then came back and to be completely honest I'm sick of flashing every two-three months I just want something that's fast an stable.Now that I got that out the way I just want to say thank you again and I'm going to try out the hybrid rom to see if its fast an stable thanks again an no disrespect to the cyan roms when they become FAST&STABLE I will be back.
[G1 General] :
Well not really you who decides who took the crown.. the majority here clearly votes for Dwang... and he keeps the crown.. until you have convinced the majority. But I'll give it a try... but remember stable comes before speed... and adding features.. tends to make it unstable.. so faster but unstable.. is not better....
[G1 General] :
So back to m3s_4evr rom...

These are exactly the type of Roms' and the BS I want to avoid with this thread.. the ones that go out and immediately claim it to be as super fast and stable.... and then people like njuncos harping in to the same tune.

When in fact the ROM sucks. A quicky hybrid... he even left out A2SD, it is not even overclocked.. yes one can do all that, but that's not the point. The goal is a Rom a newbie can flash that's ROCK SOLID AND STABLE and which is fast. So you gotta be stable first before I even look at fast.

Also it is obvious that you haven't even looked at the Rom yourself for more than a day... (the thread is pretty clear about it). Also documentation quite frankly sucks well there's none there, what is in what is not, no one knows.. until deep into the thread of people complaining that A2SD is missing, and overclocking.

So please leave this thread.. that hibrid Rom all it does is it confuses people with BS claims for an incomplete in development Rom. So DWANG 1.13 IS THE REIGNING CHAMPION IN THIS THREAD... and if you read the comments of people switching from other Rom's you get the idea.. that the qualities of STABLE and SPEED is something desired by many, claimed by every developer but rarely delivered.

This Thread will highlight the ones that deliver. And for now there's only one that does, Dwang.
[G1 General] Mr Bill Florida:
We are up to ver 1.13.....

dwang-v1.13.zip

Even better......

Bill
[G1 General] shoemeistah:
cyanogen for me, with some tweak of my on
[G1 General] m3s_4ev3r:
Alec, that is my first ROM , what other way to learn things is there without feedback, as I told you in my thread, the ROM will not have many of the 'features' other ROM's have because that is causing the instability, I myself I am runnig dwang 1.13 now and I am trying to improve on it. I will not overclock it, the users can do that by themselves, I like to have my own personalized settings on that, I could add SetCPU for users to customize their settings, but that software is considered warez as far as I know. Have a nice day!
[G1 General] njuncos:
Challenge This...

Yeah guys, try out this one...

CyanogenMod 4.2.5

Ok seriously, try it, I did and it is back on the CM boat for now. Alec.Baldwin >> TRY IT
[G1 General] B-man007:
just let the damn thread die. Its counterproductive to the advancement of android.

let people flash everything themselves and if they want a good rom, they can flash around. they wont be missing anything if theyve never tried anything
[G1 General] :
I tried Cyans latest about 4 days ago... and it just didnt even come close. Same issues as always... a tad slower... and more unstable. I'll wait a few more releases until I give it another shot..
[G1 General] njuncos:
well then, no offense, but maybe you didn't do something right when you flashed it...did you wipe data AND ext partition. i dunno, i'm pretty much done with this thread as well, seeing how everyone has their own option to choose what they want. The far majority have chosen CM for quite some time now...

Has CM been unstable and slow at times? Yes, but those times are becoming long forgotten. And with CM's new 4.2.5, he has really increased speed. As if it really needed it. Stability I personally have almost never had problems with CM. People have reported it being unstable a time or two, but those are the experimental releases for the most part. 4.2.5 is CM's most stable and screaming fast ROM ever.

Cyanogen, you rock and we all know you will kill it with eclair!!
[G1 General] :
Njuncos.. dude.. I don't know what you are on.. but on every other post you're hyping up a new Rom.. Dude just chill... give it some time... and once you actually start using the phone.. and I mean REALLY using the phone.... then you might actually get it.

Your machine gun posts.. yesterday one rom (m3..) today that (cyan) and tomorrow whatever else comes along.. just tell me that you don't fall into the user that is interested primarily in STABLE and then FAST. Just read this thread.. not just the first post and last post.. read the entire thing.. and you'll get a pattern.. of people sharing their experience of switching to Dwang.

And don't get me wrong.. with your use of the phone I am sure... that M3's hybrid rom was great yesterday, and today cyan's rom is great.. and probably tomorrow the Microsoft-Windows-7-Hero Rom release is the next coolest rom... thats all cool... just accept that isn't for most people who really use the phone, who need a reliable fast work horse.. that runs without maintenance, reflashes reliably for months.....

Oh and I thought the odd releases of cyan are unstable and the even are stable... (at least that's what he wrote a while back) - so suddenly an odd number is supposed to be stable..... yeahhh.....
[G1 General] AndroidFiend:
you have to realize that cyanogens rom do not contain google apps which require a different istaller on cyan which makes phone run a tiny slower and dwang is a full rom. but the new update is way faster. Cyanogen is on top for me once he starts the experimental building with 2.0 its going to be faster...but for right now cyan is for me.
[G1 General] :
Ok guys.. here is what someone posted in another thread... about latest cyanogen being faster than Dwang.. now please shut up until the setcpu is faster than dwang... won't ever happen anyway... so cyan is number 3... what the reasons are or why, I don't really care... and even if he'd manage to get somewhere close to the other two guys we'd still have the stability issue to iron out... and then we're only as good as Dwang...
[G1 General] CanEpia:
Let the thread live or create more like if (with less negativity and flaming going on). I personally found it very useful in picking the ROM I finally am now going to stick with for the time being.

I'm an Android newbie and there was enough of a learning curve just getting to the point I could flash roms. Then I tried all the top ten roms by download numbers based on the rom databases as I thought that would be a good way to find the better ones. I was about to give up on my phone right before I found this and decide to give dwang's a shot. Now I'll keep it for a while.

Honestly, althought I don't necessarily like the content in the thread, I think it was useful as all the rom descriptions are fairly vague and basically all sound the same to me. I know different roms will be better for different people, so I wished the rom builders would be more clear on the focus of their roms. I think the OP is right, they all post Fast and Stable as key selling points for people to try their roms, when usually their focus is something else with some tweaks thrown in. They know fast and stable is a selling point.

Without flashing them you really don't know what the difference is by reading them as a newbie and then even after flashing you really have to dig into them for a while to find the differences. Flashing tons of roms and trying to figure them out is a pain, especially if they turn out to be slow. I nearly gave up and went back to my blackberry.

Maybe if we had more of posts with different focuses, like best eye-candy, most installed applications, bleeding edge features... or whatever, it could really help a newbie find good roms that suit THEM and really enjoy their phones.

So let's stop the bickering. Let the thread live and hopefully all the rom devs that are trying to focus on speed can use threads like this to learn from each other and share ideas to make it even faster! Why can't these types of threads be PRODUCTIVE to android development?

Until then, thanks to the OP for the thread, and thanks to dwang for a nice quick rom.
[G1 General] njuncos:
BTW, x.EVEN.x == STABLE

x.ODD.x == EXPERIMENTAL

4.2.5 == STABLE
[G1 General] njuncos:
alec.baldwin, I have always been a strong supporter of CyanogenMod...There, you have it! My claim that m3s_4ever's ROM was the "best" was a freakin joke man. I'll be honest, I was poking fun at your thread and that was wrong. There is a need to know what is good. Let's face it, Dwang has found a sweet spot on his ROM and that is great for the people that want his stuff. For the rest of us, we have CM and "theofficial".

So for the noob who just wants to know what is the best. Don't listen to alec.baldwin. Dwang might have a great ROM, but don't take baldwin's word for it. Try out CM, Dwang, and "theofficial" and you will make your own informed decision. Hell, try em all out.

P.S. Sorry alec.baldwin, i'm not on anything. Just high on XDA!
[G1 General] Vlad83:
I am not saying Dwang's ROM is not fast or the fastest, but I am rather curious at how you arrived at that conclusion. How are you able to quantify that his ROM is the fastest? I sure hope I don't get the "it feels the fastest" response...
[G1 General] B-man007:
This thread should be renamed to what alec.baldwin thinks is the fastest rom because he doesn't seem to want to listen to others opinions. I don't want to know how he arrived at the conclusion that "Speed over stability" for the average business man. Being a software engineer, I know that the majority of clients do not want something thats so screeching fast but crashes a lot. Stability is more important than flat out speed due to the downtime that can be caused by instability.

Your also using different measures to calculate speed

what is that supposed to mean? How can the use of setcpu be used to determine the actual speed of the rom? the only benchmarks you have are "o it feels fast" and then a horribly flawed crippling of the rom in order to test its speed.

what stability issues?

THAT IS STABILITY, NOT SPEED

I think that says everything that needs to be said about this thread.
[G1 General] Ineedtoys:
Six of one, half a dozen of the other. You're just as guilty of ignoring others opinions and twisting his words. Alec has consistently said that stability was a primary concern, and even does so in your last quote.

Reliable AND Fast - geddit?
[G1 General] :
How did I come to the conclusion... well quite frankly by using it... so I installed it on 3 heavily used G1s... 2 of them with ladies that are not technical at all - (everyone got Cyan.. think it was the 4.1.9 release or so - boy BIG MISTAKE :mad: :mad: - they were ready to throw the phone and me out the window after not even a week......

After that disaster, I installed Dwang on all of them... and they all love it, 3 weeks running so far, no FCs, no complaints, all very happy campers... So to answer your question... the ultimate test for your rom is the Lady Test... if it's approved by the lady (and I don't mean some sitting on her ass gold digger - think more like super hot working MILF type moms :eek: with a busy career... if it works for them..

Now personally I just revisited the latest Cyan build.. and quite frankly it just does not even come close in regards to speed and stability - u think Dwang is fast... the ultimate experience is when you try to switch back.

So yes its personal opinion of me, myself and I. But after having flashed every Rom out there... my conclusion was simply that I find pretty much all but Dwang's Rom more or less unusable for regular busy business use. (I never tried xrom - no donut - but my guess is that would prob. qualify as well)

Bman007

SetCPU has a test function that can give you an indicator.

Read my first post - I agree with u stability before speed - always been like that. Reliable to me is same as stability. And yes Cyan's can't touch Dwang in regards to stability (have you tried Dwang?)

Njuncos

You must have some bipolar disorders, so you say Cyan is stable.. or ask me why its not stable and in the same phrase you write... "I ALMOST never have had issues" Dude the difference between Cyan and Dwang is, ALMOST NEVER vs. NEVER.

ALSO you write "OH and for the Noob who wants to know what the best rom is" don't listen to alec... but just flash every rom and try it yourself. Dude.. do you really think a Noob is able and willing to go and flash every Rom and do a fresh setup after each one (they don't know switchrom) and use every Rom for a few weeks to figure out which one is stable and fast - I would have loved a thread like this back in my Noob days... instead I wasted weeks finding a Rom that works. Njuncos, your statements quite frankly just don't make sense, you constantly contradict yourself, then when it's so obvious call it a joke... whatever....
[G1 General] raven2000:
Why do you and other people insist on users waste time? Why is it so hard to understand not everyone has time to try every single ROM?

Let this thread live as it has convinced me and some other people Dwang ROM is excellent.
[G1 General] Eclipse9069:
This is probably going to get me banned, but whatever.

If you wanna ride Dwang's Dong, then ride it, but don't come making a thread saying Cyanogen's rom sucks yada yada yada Dwang is the greatest, you probably are Dwang, his brother, or a gay lover.

I got my G1 5 months ago and I have had every CM rom on it, hero rom, and other 1.6 roms when CM got that C&D order, and Cyanogen has always come out on top and never have I had any of these "problems" you say you have.

Dwang's rom sucks balls, there are no features, there is nothing but AOSP Donut, I might as well install T-Mo's 1.6. Kinda sad actually when Dwang has NOTHING in his rom, it's a full install, and Cyanogen still comes out on top.

You really aggrivated the **** outta me, take this elsewhere dude no one gives two ****s what rom you like better, whatever rom you like better use it.

Let everyone else decide for themselves and stop shoving your lack of intelligence down other people's throat.
[G1 General] raven2000:
Did you miss the fact we are interested in only STABLE ROMs. This is not stable as it has GMail Sync problem.

http://code.google.com/p/cyanogenmo...Priority Version Owner Summary Stars Modified

Even though Cyanogen has known about this issue since 4.2.1 he still hasn't bothered to fix it.
[G1 General] Boonyard:
Like B-man I think this thread is a bit pointless because everyone wants something different... but!

Personally I can't see any speed difference between the new Cyanogen and the Dwang now i've switched between.
[G1 General] Eclipse9069:
It's not a problem with the rom it's a cookie problem. Go read comment 5.

"Comment 10 by michaeltanyk, Oct 27, 2009 I confirm the solution is comment #5.

Log out of Google Apps, delete all Google apps and Gmail data, as per:

http://android.modaco.com/content/htc-hero-hero-modaco-com/293381/log-out-of-google-

account/

Then it will work. I am using 4.2.2"

Try again?
[G1 General] shovelhead83:
I like reeses peanut butter cups!!!
[G1 General] Eclipse9069:
Who doesn't?! :eek: