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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Black Phoenix:
E-mail to HTC (bug that I found in Manila 2.1 in the WM 6.1 that still maintains in WM 6.5):

Good Morning

I've been using the Windows Mobile 6.1 for a while and found a bug that I was expecting to be solved in the 6.5 release but unfortunately no.

When I choose in the weather tab the City of Lisbon, Portugal and update the forecast it corrects me the system time to GMT CASABLANCA instead of using the correct GMT LONDON, DUBLIN.

The Portuguese Time includes changes to the Winter Time and Summer Time, like in UK. To correct that I need to use always as my default city London, not taking use of the function from the new Manila: "My Location".

Can that be corrected in a next release?

Best Regards

Márcio Teixeira
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ronh:
Nope, it's still the WidComm BT Stack.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] adamchap:
Quick and easy - don't bother downloading and installing cabs, this is easier!

Go to Settings -> Today and make sure that in the "Items" tab, the option for "Owner Info" is ticked.

Now go to your today screen. There will be the owner information line - and if you've entered nothing, it'll say "Tap to enter info..." just tap there and enter the info in the control panel that appears.

If you then don't want Owner Info on your today screen (but just wanted to enter a username for app registration etc), then go back into Settings -> Today and untick the Owner Info option.

Thx,

Adam.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
Or you can just edit the registry key "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\Owner\Hide" to 0. It'll show up in the settings screen again.

The WinMo 6.5 Start Menu - not a big fan. I don't like how it's so difficult to move shortcuts around and the offset pattern looks messy to me. But I've found how to remove items from the Start Menu to make it tolerable:

1. Go into the "\windows\start menu\programs" directory.

2. Create a folder. Cut & Paste all the shortcuts you deem unnecessary into that folder.

3. Go into the properties screen of that folder and toggle on the "Hidden" setting.

4. Soft-reset.

I've yet to find out how I can get rid of "HTC Calendar.lnk" and "HTC People.lnk". They disappear if I disable HTC Sense (ie, TF3D, Manila, etc). But they keep coming back if HTC Sense is enabled. I've tried deleting the shortcuts but they just regenerate after each soft-reset or if I disable and then re-enable HTC Sense.

If anyone has any ideas, please let me know!

Other than that, I really like the update. The lock screen and finger-friendly stuff are really nice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gold:
is anybody else having problems with topaz notification manager tweak and %1 battery driver in wm 6.5 wwe official rom?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
Doesn't seem to require the topaz notification manager tweak. Looks like it's built in.

I've installed the 1% battery driver with no problems...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gold:
the built-in one doesn't seem to support %1 battery driver that's why i'm asking. or is it just me having the problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
Ah, you're right. You're not the only one. But it's not so much of a problem if you install a taskbar that shows battery capacity in 1% increments.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gold:
guess i will wait for someone to fix the driver instead. thank you for the reply.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
thanx adamchamp. just to add for anyone using this method, remember to untick the htc sense box to get the normal windows screen
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] deadwrong03:
did the new update add the weather on the homepage like the HTC Imagio?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] true2you:
yes, the weather on home page is in the official upgrade...

question : can anybody tell me if there's a way to modyfy my tf3d icons (more precisely, what i'd like is to get the original rhodium tf3d icons back - the plain black and white ones - because i think that the coloed ones don't look good at all on the rhodium)

my phone : unbranded rhodium - french (belgium) - with the official upgrade (SE CE 5.2.21854 // build 21854.5.0.80)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lepaske:
Can someone with the last official 6.5 rom post some screenshots of the today screen with and without manila activated, please ?

I'd be nice to see how it looks...

Cheers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MarketMonk:
Opera version?

What version of Opera is included?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] true2you:
the same .. 9.5
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ir803:
today vodafone UK updated it's software upgrade section to a .7 version dated as released today, not sure if it was a WM 6.5 version but it's now been taken off and is listed as version under investigation ????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Murcielago:
Hi,

I noticed the same thing ... and more : if you add different city clocks to display, it will not update all locations....

I have a French city that is not refreshed.... As the city has been added by myself in the weather database, it appears automatically in the list of clocks to display... but it's not updated.

I also find that the memory usage is really high by default. I deactivated Push Mail and Resource Proxy.... and going down to 46% of memory usage but it's going high quickly after starting a few apps.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TheChozen:
System hangs

Three times in one evening my TP2 with official 6.5 has "shutdown".

Only way to get it back on is to remove battery.

Stock ROM and so far it's not looking good :o/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
Memory usage is really high for me as well. On startup it is about 58% and after opening one application and connecting to the internet it jumps up to as much as 85%. I have had to remove the battery once and have gone through a few soft resets as well. One good note though, when you take the phone away from your ear and you had the keypad open, it goes back to the keypad page unlike before when it took you to the today page.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ir803:
The UK's Vodafone version is still offline, maybe they messed it up while re-branding it ??!!??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] apv245l:
Voice Dialler

You managed to get Voice Command working. Any tricks? I have re-installed Voice Command UK PPC 1.6 after the update and it doesn't show as a program or in set up. It seems to have installed because it shows up if I look on the 'Remove Program' screen. Any ideas?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] szalonka:
hi

i have a problem with my touch pro2. i can't download wm6.5 ROM from the official htc site because i got the next message: product s/n is not valid.

Can anybody give me a valid product s/n?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ir803:
Someone mentioned earlier that if it's a branded phone then the HTC update wouldn't work, we're going to have to wait until Vodafone/Tmobile do their rebranding and post it online for us, there was an update on the vodafone site yesterday but it was removed, not sure if it was the wm6.5 upgrade though, it was a bit vague, now their site says it's investigating...whatever that means.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] adamchap:
Sure, Voice Commander doesn't drop any visible icons onto the device - press and hold your green/send key and you'll hear your TP2 make a beep - then say "What Can I Say" to your device and you'll get a list of what you can do with Voice Commander. If it's showing in add/remove programs, it's there for sure.

Have a look in Settings -> Personal, you should also find the control panel for Voice Commander and can tweak it's settings to best work for you.

Adam.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] adamchap:
Other observations

Hi everyone,

Couple of other observations & questions about the device, post-update:

The 1% battery driver from nochem/Chainfire does not work. It installs without incident, but continues to show 10% drops. Without using a 3rd party app, you'll need to wait for an update to this driver if you want 1% (like me!)

No crashes/freezes over here as some have been reporting, maybe there's some other reason for those problems. Re-installing a ton of apps and configuring them would usually show up any issues straight away.

In-call recording works with the registry tweak, but the other side of the call is drastically quiet. Does anyone know how to get the volume of the recording up using just the standard notes recorder? Did I miss something as the straight registry change worked on WM6.1 with good volume?

I finally got round to changing both my softkeys on the Today screen, as I'd dropped using SPB Menu. If anyone else wants to change their left and right softkeys, I'd thoroughly recommend SoftkeyAppletEx as a great utility to do so. It can be uninstalled when you're done without rolling back any changes.

www.dotfred.net/SoftkeyAppletEx.htm

Am irritated without being able to move icons around on screen into an order that I like - any ideas on how to do so on the released 6.5 ROM?

When quitting an app, you don't drop back to the apps honeycomb, you go back to the Today screen. A minor irritation, but annoying having to hit the Windows key or Start Menu to get back to where you were each time.

Some have complained of high memory usage - my device without anything running is using 70MB, with 117.39MB free for Program use. I guess it might be down to higher overheads on the new OS?

Operator SIM icons. While the device is unbranded, I still get a Vodafone SIM icon on the apps screen, as that's my MNO. I never use the operator's SIM apps or links. It's not there when the phone radio is swtiched off. Anyone know of a way to block it from appearing?

Thanks again, glad people are finding this thread useful!

Adam.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] InkZ:
Bluetooth dialing from handsfree whilst the device is locked is now fixed!!!

That's made all 24 of my users very happy. Previously they had to unlock the phone with their password before the handsfree kit would allow them to dial :)

Just waiting for Vodafone to release their rom now so I can upgrade them all. I hard SPL my own handset so I could test it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] szalonka:
It's not a branded phone!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rifmouk:
hello

For the Battery increments, I confirm it's 10% increments, but the cab 1% works perfectly.

bye
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] apv245l:
Voice Commander

Voice Commander seems to work from the call button, but no sign of the set up icon in Settings/Personal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] adamchap:
It does? Which 1% driver are you using? I took the one linked from the topic that's stickied in Rhodium General forum here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=527006

What's your device - standard unbranded European TP2 with WM6.5 update applied to it?

Cheers,

Adam.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] adamchap:
Give your device a soft reset and it should appear.

Adam.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rifmouk:
hello,

I use the one linked from the topic that's stickied in Rhodium General forum.

And yes i have the standard unbranded European TP2 with official WM6.5 update.When i'd install the cab the increment stay at 10%, but a reset resolve this.

bye
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AlCapone:
I cannot stop it from flashing for 5 minutes each time a email is received .

..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] true2you:
something annoying with the "SMS DELIVERY RECEIPT" in the manilla sms interface, you have to activate it everytime you send a sms!! I noticed this issue on the stock unbranded rom, but it's the same with the official upgrade (unbranded)

But with the winMo outlook interface, it works perfectly!!!!! wth?

...sometimes i wonder... what would the world look like if bill gates was never born?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
I got my Tilt 2 yesterday. I charged it to 100% before using it, then had it on all afternoon setting it up and adding programs. I charged it all night, but when I got up this morning the battery said 70%.

I went to the power settings and noticed there's an information tab that has status info since the last full charge. The status under Last full charge on my phone said "not applicable". I plugged it in at work this morning and waited a while to make sure the charging light turned from orange to green. It did and the battery power remaining was 100%. I left it charging another hour.

A little later I checked the information tab again. It still says Last full charge:

Not applicable

. HUH???

Aside from the Last full charge field, it also has stats for Standby time, Talk time and Device usage since last full charge. Since I apparently still haven't had a "last full charge" all the values are 0 on my phone.

Does anyone else have a date and time in that field on the information tab?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tackleberry:
i got the same on my imagio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] enisoc:
When I first got my Tilt 2, I noticed that screen and thought "hey that's useful". It had the values all filled in properly. But when I went back later to check it, I saw "Not Applicable" just like you. It seems to be intermittent though, because I checked it just now and it has good data. I haven't noticed any correlated factors that predict whether the info will be there or not.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
you should never leave your phone plugged into the charger after it has reached full capacity. you're basically draining the overall battery life of the phone, so it won't last as long off of a full charge.

did that to my old tilt before I found out about the overcharging thing, and had to use my warranty to get a new one since the phone would shut off by itself at 90%+ and turn back on again with >5% battery power left
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
I wasn't really sure that it was fully charged because of that stupid message about the last full charge not applicable. Thanks for the information. I didn't know that it was possible to ruin a battery by overcharging it.

@enisoc,

I thought it seemed like it would be a useful feature, too. Every single time I check power settings the values are null. It's interesting to know you've seen data there at least twice.

ETA: Now that I think about it, for the last two years I've plugged in my Tilt before going to bed and left it charging all night. Every morning it was 100% charged and I never noticed any adverse effects.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] enisoc:
Maybe I've just been very lucky, but I have had a Sprint HTC Touch and before that a Samsung Blade (razr wannabe), each for two years. Every night for those four years, I plugged in my phone before going to bed and left it there. I have always had great battery life on both phones.

Specifically for the TP2, I have read that it stops charging at some point when it's done, and won't trickle even if you leave it plugged in. This has been reported by various people because they find that if they leave it plugged in for very long times, they'll end up with only about 95% battery, because after the first few hours it was no longer charging.

Perhaps less convincing, but also interesting, is the fact that (when it works) the "last full charge time" on my TP2 shows up as a couple hours after I went to bed, rather than the time when I unplugged it in the morning.

YMMV
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
oh wow really? that's interesting. that would be nice if it's really true. what I've been wanting is an app that allows the phone to make some sort of noise (i.e. an alarm sound) when it is fully charged. just to let it's owner know that it's finished and so it won't get overcharged. I think i'll go request it at development n hacking.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Neo.magic:
I am 100% sure that you cannot overcharge a TP2, in fact I would say any phone or device with a Lithium Polymer battery.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xnifex:
it's true, once the TP2 hits 100% it stops charging the battery & the usage time will kick in.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
Day 3 and still no data in the battery power information tab.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] f1ip:
do a hard reset. mebbe itll work.

Since its very new, you got nothing to lose.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
flip, do you have a TP2? If so, does that tab give you data all the time?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] f1ip:
yes, its a Tmo TP2.

it worked on the Stock rom.

I have a custom rom now, and it works as well
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] deadwrong03:
once the green light comes on on the touch pro 2 u it stops charging, u cannot overrcharge it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] InRBigness:
Not only can you not overcharge the lithium Ion batteries it is actually better for them to be recharged as often as possible.

Menneisyys wrote a great article on it a while ago. This confirms what I have always been told.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=342162&highlight=battery+charging
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Overcharging li-ion (and li-po) batteries results in catastrophic failure, a.k.a. explosion. Therefore, chargers for these battery chemistries stop charging when they're full.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
Something is wrong with ne WM6.5 driver!

Yesterday my battery duration was about 24h (with 6.1 i charge it every 2-3 days!)!!

I fully charged at midnight and now, after 15h it says 90%... It's a little bit strange!

At midnight i could see battery stats.. Now it says "not applicable".

I used Dr SigStat and it says a temperature of 2,47°C!!! (in WM6.1 temperature was normal).

What's wrong?? :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
Over the weekend I finally got some data on the information tab. Either Saturday or Sunday morning when I checked it gave some time around 5AM as the last full charge time. Now it's back to Not Applicable.

@D J Palmis,

I wonder if anyone knows the answer to the 6.5 battery dilemma. When I was using a cooked 6.5 ROM on my Tilt I was getting normal battery duration. My battery life on the Tilt 2 is comparable to my old Tilt.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Deleted member 1154637:
i see this on my tilt2. battery info shows up, with idle/usage times for a short while after full charge (green) if i check after a few hours, it goes to n/a. looks like a driver bug to me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
Same here... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I know what you're talking about now [: my tilt 2 stopped charging itself once it reached 100% :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TheChozen:
I thought I found a solution, but after 16 HOURS mine goes back to n/a and no data too :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
I wonder

Hi,

Have any of you experiencing these problems installed any other battery drivers (such as ones that show 1% increments)? And did any of you remove the battery while the phone was switched on for some reason? I know the last question may sound stupid but it can happen!

I'd be interested to know.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
No, I never used the 1% driver (10% is enough for me).

No, I never removed battery.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
No and no.

I'm using the stock AT&T ROM. I've thought about trying the 1% battery increment cab but haven't done that yet.

I definitely didn't remove the battery while the phone was switched on, as far as I can remember.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Thanks

Only asking the above because I had the same problem and after spending ages on the phone to HTC in the UK that was all they could come up with. They asked me if I wanted to send it in for repair but I guessed it could be a driver problem and said no. Didn't want to be without the phone for a week and it not to be fixed!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
I wrote to (italian) HTC support and I'm waiting for a response. I hope that new driver is not damaging my battery.. (Today it says 80% after 35h..)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
I've had my AT&T Tilt 2 for 8 days now. So far I've still only had data on the information tab ONE time.

My husband decided to get a TouchPro 2 from Verizon after seeing my Tilt 2. He got his TP2 last Friday. I checked his information tab yesterday and it had complete data with the last full charge from 24 hours the day before.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
It's got to be something funny with the driver. Not only does the tab show no information, Batti behaves very oddly, usually showing the purple "charging" bar instead of a real battery status.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bwnotredame06:
So kinda of an opposite Question ? What is the best useage as far as a longer lasting battery when running it down. Should you run the battery completely down before recharging , or stop at 10% then recharge or does it not matter on that end either ? thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Recharge it as often as you can. Li-ion batteries don't like to be completely discharged.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] BBM-Lee:
Correct, LiPoly batteries are not designed or intended to be trickle-charged or over-charged, as the manufacturers of the batteries have tested that it can cause problems and built in safeguards to prevent overcharging or trickle-charging of LiPo batteries.

Most "Battery" myths are from older batteries. Modern LiPo batteries are different:

1) A properly functioning Charger & Battery will not overcharge the battery. It will cut off when it reaches a pre-set voltage (usually about 4.23v). This is mandatory in this type of battery or they will 'die' in one of many possibly ways. More info

How do I know i'm not overcharging my battery?

Is your battery leaking, oozing, or did it separate itself from the battery compartment on your phone by itself last night (exploded)... or is it currently on fire?

If you answered No to the above statement your battery is not overcharged

2) Full-cycle of battery life is not necessary. However you do not want your battery to remain dead for extended periods as it causes the battery to fall below the minimum voltage for it to be recharged (i.e. your rechargeable battery is no longer rechargeable) -- More info in next link

If you are not using your phone (or the battery) anymore and want to save it's lifespan, Charge it to between 40-60% before removing the battery from usage... and if you can/want, store in a cool place (15C/60F) More info

This will help prevent the battery from falling to it's 'unable to recharge' state of under 2.5v. If you start with a nearly fully dead battery it's already at 2.7-3v and quickly can reach the 'dead' zone.

3) Memory effect. No such thing. Over months of proper charging (not doing #2 above, keeping battery in it's desired ) you WILL see your battery stops functioning fully. This is just the way it is. After 300-600 charge cycles most LiPo batteries deficiency is usually reduced to about 80% of what it previously was (varies depending on manufacturer) more info

Not really a battery expert, but I've been selling cell phones for 3 years and almost daily people ask me about these 'myths'. For cell phones, most of them are false (in a properly functioning non-"Mythbusters" environment)