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[HD2 General] kersh:
I think that when HTC says officially that the new manila was not like the olders and that will be impossible to disable, maybe this manila on hd2 have drivers or software running in background with the multitouch for other programs or so, so I dont think until I see that we will can use MS3.5 or similar as soon as we get the devce
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
If that's the case then it's surely possible to just use the drivers without using the Manila UI.
[HD2 General] warlack:
Isn't it like with each and every protection, that you can either bend it or break it?

I am not worried about being stuck with Manila on this phone because it is JUST a skin on top of the OS. Flash the OS and the problem is solved.

The only issue for me is the capacitive screen.

If apps become unusable and the on-screen keyboard becomes more of a burden, then I will regret my buy.

But I doubt that it will be the case.

I have been using the hero and I am just impressed with the accuracy and responsiveness of the capacitive screen.

Task will be more finger friendly thanks to WM 6.5.1 and therefore no issue to use it without a touchscreen.

And I have learned from the market that patience is king. There will always be the perfect phone for your needs, even if it means to wait another quarter of waiting.
[HD2 General] shure2:
i think what you are looking for is the touch pro 2 - a business phone...
[HD2 General] Diam@nt:
I am missing at least tasks count on home screen of HTC Sense. I never used Manila before, but now I wanted to usete Sense UI. But without tasks I say NO! Anybody tried to use second today?

Jerseyman - You are right, Pocket Informant is very touch unfriendly and hard usable without stylus. But a small help is to redefine volume keys to UP and DOWN for short press. Long press of upper part is for VolUp and the lower part for Enter.
[HD2 General] Nighthawk:
I liked Second Today, would be nice to have it working on HD2 or a tab for tasks .
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Where is this whole thing about not being able to turn off Manila coming from?

You CAN turn Manila (HTC Sense) off.

Just turn Manila off. Then install whatever you want. Simple as. Why on earth are people thinking it can't be turned off.
[HD2 General] kersh:
Because HTC says that it will not be that easy as turn it off in some interviews that they give in the first presentations of the device.

So, as we don't have any device to try us, we have doubts because of that declarations.
[HD2 General] tenzin:
You CAN turn off Manila on HD2 !!! people having HD2 in hand said it's possible ..... and as simple as before ...
[HD2 General] RacerII:
Confirmed ;)
[HD2 General] madindehead:
It's just a bloody tick box on the Home selection screen in the settings menu.

What's so hard about that?

I have a ROM based on the final HD2 ROM on my X1. That has the ability to turn off HTC Sense. So why wouldn't the HD2? HTC are not stupid. They know some people don't like Manila.

And as you can see, it has been confirmed. All these people panicking over nothing. People really do love to scaremonger sometimes.
[HD2 General] loomx:
At work I dont, and I dont know anyone who uses tasks? why would you when you can be even more organized using the calender?
[HD2 General] Noam23:
If you have something you need to do, not a meeting, just something that needs to be done when you have the time, how will you use the calender to remind you of it ?, the thing is that you don't know exactly when you'll have time to do it, so creating a meeting for it is not productive.
[HD2 General] mrturq:
what?

how do you mean not able to disable manila?

when you go to the today settings, its possible to uncheck HTC Sense and enable for example Tasks or Copilot or what so ever.

I used MB 3.5 one day on my LEO but i like the music and twitter tab so i returned to HTC Sense.

And for those who want to use both of them, i recommend touch flo detacher.

Its an application that gives you the oppurtunity to switch between Sense UI and SPB or Todayscreen.

I just have not tested it with the LEO.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
People are just paranoid. Lets just clear this up:

You CAN disable Manila 2.5 (HTC Sense). Stop being silly.
[HD2 General] rebecker:
Hmmm...I have a 2 year old TyTN II (tiny screen) on which I run PI. I don't think I've used a stylus in a year in PI. Now...I will admit that the HD2 doesn't have up/down keys like the TyTN, but I suspect, again, that it'll just be a matter of adjustment to use PI on the HD2. But...we'll see. ;)

BTW, I'm not sure I understand the concern about Tasks (without PI). Can't you just add a Quick Link to the home screen that takes you to WM 6.5's task app?

-Bob-
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Yes you probably can. The thing is that some of us actually use this phone for work and hence want to stay productive.

With SPB Mobile Shell 3.5, you can see 8 tasks and 3 appointments right on the main screen. This saves you TONS of clicks (with Manila in order to see more than 1 appointment youll have to swipe in search for the Calender tab, and in order to see your tasks you'll have to launch a tasks app, if you're using tasks and appointments often this is just not efficient).
[HD2 General] rebecker:
Again...different approaches. I don't have my calendar or tasks listed on the first screen in MS 3.5 either; don't want them visible to anyone who looks at my phone (especially if I want to get out of a meeting by claiming another engagement; would rather no one can actually see the time of my next meeting). I run my calendar and tasks in the background all the time, so all I need to do is press either my calendar or task icon to switch to either app. By my count, ONE click. ;) With Quick Links it seems that I'll have the same capability. Not having an HD2, I guess I could be wrong. You also can rearrange (as I understand it) the sliding app order and place your calendar tab in one of the first 5 positions.

I'm not trying to sell you on the HD2...I'm sure there are several other phones that will give you what you want.

-Bob-
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Ok, I understand that being able to see your tasks/appoint. on the main screen is not beneficial for all. Still, the fact that Microsoft thought to show your appointments on WM6.5 Lock Screen prove that quite a lot of people find it convenient to have a look at this data without further clicks.

Regarding you selling me on the HD2, I'm already sold from different reasons (Capacitive screen, 1Ghz CPU), I just won't use SENSE.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I personally don't need the home screen to show my tasks' content, but I definitely need to see how many are due/overdue today. Exactly the way it worked in WM's Today screen.
[HD2 General] loomx:
All day event. Or organize your work load.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Try to set a reminder for an all-day meeting for, say, 3pm tomorrow. You can, if you set that meeting for the day after tomorrow and then calculate the time between the beginning of that day and 3pm the day before. And then redo the whole procedure when I decide to move it to a later day, with a reminder set for a different time.

A task is not an appointment by definition and has little to do with appointments, not to mention that tasks are also used on Exchange server, can be assigned, marked complete, with high/low importance etc. They will also show together nicely in Outlook.
[HD2 General] Nooner:
I'll second Slide to Unlock (http://s2u2.ac-s2.com/). It very easily replaces the default lock functionality of WM6.1, don't know about WM6.5 but surely it's essentially the same.

S2U2 lets you define all sorts of parameters, I have mine set to lock when I press the power button, so that's how I lock my phone, rather than engaging the default WM lock. I guess on HTC Sense you could add the app to one of the home screens and press that to lock the phone.

Again on mine, I have the next 6 calendar events showing, it also tells me how many tasks I have outstanding and will display a few lines of emails/sms/mms when they arrive.

I use it because I do like HTC TouchFlo but really wanted to be able to see, like you say, easily what my agenda is over the next few days. Now I just power on my phone, take a look and power off (sleep). Takes a second.

Highly recommend Slide to Unlock (S2U2).
[HD2 General] TrYde:
S2U2 v2.10 works like a charm on 6.5.1, that's your option to see tasks in the lock screen. I also use tasks a lot for my job and S2U2 gives me what I need - Tasks, appointment, time. It is as easy as pressing 2 buttons in the S2U2 settings.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
S2U2 is not a good option for me. I hate the fact that any activation of the device needs to go through S2U2. It gets really annoying really fast.
[HD2 General] Nooner:
I don't understand your point here, S2U2 just replaces the default lock mechanism, which you'd have to go through anyway, surely? I think I must be missing the point your making?
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Why would I want to lock my device ?

When I finish using it I press the "Off" key and put it in my pocket.

When I want to use it, I take it out of my pocket, press the "On" key, and start using immediately.

When a call comes in, it has its own lock mechanism (I use Iconsoft Phonex dialer).
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
That would be perfectly sufficient if it didn't have the bad habit of waking up on reminders (and, in the case of HD2, incoming text/mail messages), and staying awake after that. It'll also stay awake during and after the call if you use a headset. All this stuff leads to unwanted key/screen presses quite often.

Otherwise I would agree with you completely, I think locking is a total waste, even if it's like that from the iPhone.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
assuming it wakes up in your pocket from a reminder that went off, what exaxtly can triger a press on a capacitive screen apart from your finger ?
[HD2 General] Nooner:
Damn, another good point! Maybe you're on the way to hospital with your son who has suffered an unfortunate severed finger, which your keeping in the same pocket as your phone? No?

Well then, S2U2 isn't for you and I'm not sure what is. You're back to disabling Sense.
[HD2 General] ardsar:
Also, this device has a proximity sensor - and also a function to change the way it rings when it is in your pocket. Surely it should therefore know not to accept "call answer" and screen presses whilst inside your pocket?!?!
[HD2 General] Noam23:
How does the proximity sensor knows the device is in your pocket ?, what kind of a sensor is that ?, it can't be a light-sensor, otherwise the device won't wake when you're in a pitch black environment...
[HD2 General] Dr.Sid:
I guess there is IR light and detector of reflected light. That's how it's usually done. If something is really close, there is strong reflection. It works with almost any material. With reflective materials, like paper, or mirror, it works on larger distances.

My Canon camera uses such sensor for turning off the display when you look into the optical viewfinder. It can detect face, fingers, or black fabric at about 5cm, sheet of white paper at 10 cm, aligned mirror at 50cm.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
If this proximity sensor can indeed detect if the phone is inside the pocket (or any other closed bag), then I don't see any use for a lock screen like S2U2. The proximity sensor will simply tell the phone not to turn on in case SMS/notification comes in while inside pocket/bag.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Good point, but I usually pull it out of my pocket when a reminder goes off. I can of course try to be very accurate and avoid touching the screen but being able not to worry about it is great.

Now, in any case I don't want to use S2U2.

I would also not use any locking mechanism if the stupid thing didn't wake up now and then.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It can detect that it's inside the pocket - there's even a mode in settings to make it ring louder.

The problem is though that it will work when the device is on, i.e. only after a reminder wakes it up. This is not unsurmountable, but I can bet money HTC didn't solve this problem. It's much more difficult to do than one might think - WM doesn't report reasons for waking up, and you'd need to distinguish "legitimate" reasons from "restricted" ones somehow. As natural as it may sound to you as a user, it presents quite a few technical challenges with available APIs.
[HD2 General] Diam@nt:
Thats right, this is a reason why I am using tasks. And usualy I have about 150 active tasks.
[HD2 General] Diam@nt:
Me the same. I have my THD2 for two weeks and I used Manila. But after this time I see, I am not som productive. I am not seeing the task count and I visit the tasks app not so offen as before (and my tasks count is growing). Now I use the old Today screen again with count of tasks / overdue tasks. But I am missing Manila. It is so hard to understand, what we need, and what we want to have? Manila with tasks count.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Well, the current religion in UI development is avoiding "clutter" and in software development it's avoiding "bloatware". In pratical terms it means that something that isn't used by 90% of users is either not implemented or hidden on the other side of reality. The problem with arguing against it is that this strategy pays off as your housewives are happy to see UI without all those confusing buttons and options, and their bucks turn into revenues in a smoother way.

That, and the fact that Steve Jobs doesn't believe in tasks, put us out of luck.
[HD2 General] rebecker:
Come on! This is such a non-issue, I can't believe it's grown to this many pages. Add a Quick Link! It's ONE click. I have 59 tasks in my list, with 2 overdue, 2 current and 3 due tomorrow. I can see them all with ONE click. You buy a new car and the volume control for the radio is in a different spot...do you complain about that?? Every product worth upgrading to takes some adjustment. If you can't be a bit flexible, I suggest you stay with what you have. Return the HD2 and get your money back. I'm guessing even "housewives" (which is a legitimate calling, BTW) are more open to a bit of an adjustment than some of you folks.

-Bob-

Flame away! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It's not a matter of clicks, it's a matter of the homescreen concept changes which are annoying to those of us who see it as an Outlook Today page rather than a Desktop, if you understand what I mean. The Quick Links is something I certainly will sooner or later get rid of in favor of a few more appointments and number of tasks shown.

Nobody says housewives are somehow illegitimate - my wife is one, and I'm happy she is. It's just that she and I have rather different needs from a "digital assistant" kind of device.

A little more evolution of the Sense UI homescreen, and we get an iPhone Springboard plus clock. If I wanted an iPhone I'd get one. The reason I prefer WM has been so far that it's more an organizer-type phone.
[HD2 General] paullong:
I agree with the subject of this thread. The tabs are useful and a tasks one would be great. It seems perfect for it!

I hope there is a cab file in development out there somewhere.
[HD2 General] rebecker:
spb Mobil Shell? It's what I use on my TyTN II and will probably end up using on the HD2. But not before I use Sense for at least 2 weeks. BTW, while I could, I DON'T have my calendar or tasks on the main MS screen. ;)

You still have to admit that Sense is much nicer than plain old WM, right? Eye candy at the very least??

-Bob-
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Sure I do, that's why I want to see my tasks there. I like the concept of the original WM homescreen but I certainly don't like the implementation.

Yet, here's the problem: in 99% of the cases when I power up my phone, apart from the cases when I get notifications, I do it to see the current time, next one or two appointments, and the list of things I have to do today. Launching apps is something I do quite rarely (and, frankly speaking, most of them are Manila tabs anyway). So for this usage pattern the quick links are an unneeded waste of the precious homescreen real estate. For people like you (and my wife and, apparently, most phone users on the planet), it's the opposite. That's why I'm whining here - nobody likes to be the ignored minority. :)

I don't agree with the thread topic though, it's way too dramatic.
[HD2 General] kersh:
thumbcal + shortcut on today = win
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
A shortcut to a tasks application can be done with or without thumbcal, but how's that supposed to solve the problem?
[HD2 General] kersh:
It doesnt solve the problem, but is the best solution atm until you want to delete manila and install other ui.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
How is it best if it doesn't solve anything, sorry?
[HD2 General] NetDwarf:
Sorry, misunderstood the thread title.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
We're talking about tasks (as "things you need to do"), not about task manager.
[HD2 General] sh500:
I have to agree with wanting Tasks directly on the Manila home screen or at least its own tab, much like the calendar tab.

From reading this thread, it seems like things have changed (Mobile Shell can now display Tasks on homescreen?)... I also have a Blackberry 8900 and it is only capable of showing Appointments. I know many other Windows UI also only shows Appointments. Is there something inherently different about Tasks as they cannot be display on the homescreen? I'm talking about task titles and description and not the task count. Even the default WM interface doesn't do this!

But I've had this problem with all WinMo devices that I have owned. Second Today and ManilaTodayPage have been the second best option for me.

Personally, I would like for Manila (TF3D or Sense) to be far more customisable than it has been; much like the old school today screen was/is. This would suit everyone, if you didnt want something on the Homescreen you uncheck it and it's no longer there, likewise with items that you did want.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Mobile Shell 3.5 is exactly what you want. It CAN display tasks on homescreen (up to 8 tasks).

On my Mobile Shell 3.5 homescreen I can see 8 tasks and 3 appointments. This is extremely productive.

The problem with Mobile Shell 3.5 is that I don't have the SENSE setting tab, and the WM6.5 setting screens are not very finger friendly...
[HD2 General] sh500:
They must have introduced the tasks feature in a very recent version. I don't think version 3 had it, although there were quite a few people requesting it in their own forums. Will have to re-visit at some point.
[HD2 General] smartphone.net.pl:
It's NOT TRUE.

There's normal "Today" option in control panel, you can turn off Manila and use Titanium or traditional Today.
[HD2 General] Amande:
You can use "Today Agenda" (Titanium) which is excellent and customizable.
[HD2 General] Xaddict:
Soft key

The right hand soft key on the home screen links to the phone, which is a waste.

I have linked it to notes.

I don't even bother with tasks, but if you wanted to you could link tasks.
[HD2 General] mistm:
Maybe this would help a bit: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=591794

I have it as one of my homescreen icons in manila 2.5. The first loading is rather slow but then you minimalize it and for next run it appears immidiatly.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
A lock screen is essential to me. I remember the days with my Orbit (before I found slide to unlock) and it was just way to easy for the device to wake itself up with a low power announcement, a network discovered announcement, someone trying to pair with my bluetooth etc, and it is often too noisy around you to hear it. Meanwhile you have started a game, called an ex girlfiend and downloaded the latest Jonas Brothers album by accident.

The best thing about WM is that you can put anything you want on it. Different lock screen, different UI, different tasks app. What is the problem? An extra click?

God cursed me with especially short fat fingers, and having tried the WM tasks manager on my HD2 I can say that it is easy enough to use even for me. Maybe with a stylus it would be slightly faster, but not much. I would guess that over the course of a year I might waste as much time as it took me to write this post.

I used to use SPB pocketbreeze, it had all you tasts on it, and you can set it to be on your home screen. That is just one solution of *many* so why ***** about it and dismiss every solution that anyone comes up with instead of actually trying a few combinations? I don't think any other phone OS has quite the number of options that WM has in this respect and life really is too short to be angry at a phone company who added some extra software to their phone to make it a bit nicer to use but isn't *exactly* to your requirements. :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
Edit: Just called HTC about an issue to sync to echange server (known issue they said), and also mentioned the lack of integration of tasks in manila. They said they will take it up with the devs :)
[HD2 General] Farsquidge:
I may be wrong here but the thread authors objection is to having a link to spb or any other sw is that it takes an extra keypress and he likes having tasks viewable on the home screen, am i correct? :confused:

Well, last time I looked. Winmo only shows how many tasks you have anyway on the home screen not what they are and ANOTHER keypress is required to find out! Especially as if he says, he has quite a lot. :rolleyes:

All you gain from direct view of tasks on the homescreen is a remider that you HAVE tasks then and this ony works the first check of the day uness you have short term memory loss and need to check every 10 mins! :eek::D
[HD2 General] bommel0815:
Farsquidge, you know there are even free today screen plugins to show your tasks? :)
[HD2 General] DrATty:
II'm using SPB Diary on my Today screen at the moment. You need to get 2.7Beta. I have a link somewhere if anyone needs it. It's old-fashioned but it works for me. I like to use it with Pocket Plus. Pocket Plus 4.1.1 works on the whole but some functions are broken.
[HD2 General] DrATty:
I'm happy now I've added another tweak. I'm running SPB Diary in the Manila Today Page customization. I could run any diary or task Today plugin, or combination of them for that matter. I use the tabs within SPB Diary to access other plugins; eg. weather, time. You should be able to find what is needed by searching but I'll post links if anyone is interested.
[HD2 General] brien86:
Just browse to the Windows folder and run Task.exe ...Create an icon if you need one for the start menu or quick/jump menu on the HTC home-screen.
[General Questions and Answers] abunhyan:
my Omnia 2 now without network sinal :confused:

just after i did master reset this problems appeared the pda is on but there is no signal in the top bar i tried to change the sim card with other one but unfourtionatly nothing happed also upgrade my Omnia 2 with the latest semi ofiical 6.5 rom and its the same i have no network signal at all

:mad:

am confused now is that problem happend bez i did ahard reset using the 4 bottons method which is u have to press the up volume key togther with the lock and on and off call keys bez that what i did and than my probem started

:(:(

could i damged the motherbord with that

i need help if any one knows the solution thank :)
[XV6700, PPC-6700 ROM Development] ron999:
on a Sprint ppc6700

do i need a app to get the micro sd to work again i removed a program and i can get the micro sd to work can someone please tell there app for this problem

thanks
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tembares:
Hello,

I think this message is mostly for all Dutch users.

I want to watch the live streaming video of RTL-Z. I have the ASF url:

http://rtlztv.rtl.nl/rtlzbroad?MSWMExt=.asf

or http://217.118.160.41:80/rtlzbroad?MSWMExt=.asf

Does someone know what I can do to make it work?
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mach2005:
All RTL sites dont play videos. It seems that Android can not handle ASF streams.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mach2005:
Does someone has a solution for this anoying problem?