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[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ZiBop:
The concern about multiple builds makes sense, but other folks have mentioned that different builds fix different things.

I've tried many of the Hero flavors, but sadly (unless I simply missed it) none of them have fully gotten bluetooth to work. I prefer using bluetooth for calling, and so far only Cyanogenmod's roms seemed to be able to nail this on the head. It's what I've been using for quite some time, and has proven to be the quickest and most stable.

It would be great if they all worked on just one version of the Hero rom, but it won't happen. Just imagine how many more are going to pop up when the official SenseUI shows up for the Saphire.

Eh :D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mpwarner:
I completely disagree with the OP. Everyones needs are different and having a build thats just right for you is a luxury that you wouldn't get on most other types of phones. I really don't see an issue with having multiple builds even if they are fairly similar. Its not like we are wasting development time, there is no downside. Some may argue it makes it harder for users to find a good rom, but the bottom line is anyone who is flashing their android phone has an interest in technology and is going to enjoy trying out different builds. And once you've tried a few builds you get a pretty good idea of what your looking for in your ideal build making it much easier to choose. Using your Linux example, between work and home I use 3 different distributions everyday, the reason being each has strengths that make it ideal for specific applications, its not a problem or a mistake, its simply not everyones needs are the same.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] schtuka:
Even for the novice like me it is not too hard to make sense out of what is available. I never liked when people do not read full thread before posting a question. Is it a problem of impatient generation or just a simple laziness? IDK.

Also, it has been a exiting jorney for me to learn everything about my phone and tremendous possibilities. Fear of bricking and yet the desire to try new stuff.

There are useful bits and pieces in almost every thread except yours, sorry to say that. There is nothing that can replace user's feedback and their own disoveries that are not necessarily coming from devs or people remotely in the field of android development.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] st0kes:
I also disagree with this thread. More choice is better for everyone!

Also if there are 2 similar roms, as a user rather than a dev you can still take the bits you like from both and make it your own.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] iPhone iWing:
jokeyrhyme really? have you made any roms or customized anything for your personal use? if so did you like it? if not, how come you didnt make one custom rom? is it because you dont know how or just rely on others to do it for you? there are soooooo many ppl with different "styles, perceptions and ideals" that one extra rom might be their next rom of choice!! whats wrong with a larger amount of variety? who gives you the right to try and call everyone out when they are the ones spending the time to learn, make and fix all the bugs for everyone when it started off for them selves?!?!? this thread is a joke and is taking up space in development. request for it to be moved to the trash or general. which ever is easiest.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] daeshawn:
WTF?

Ok at this point i'm kinda getting sick of this whole android forum. Way to much fighting, ignorance, complaints like damn who gives a **** (sorry just vex) who does what or doesnt do what or makes what or doesnt make what. If you dont like something...move onto the next. I mean those who alert the devs/cookers (whatever you choose to call them ) to issues with the rom only for the betterment of the rom are in the right. But when i see dumb **** like "this person's rom does this and that" i get pissed..just reflash that rom sit down shut up and think about that little life of yours that obviously is worthless since you can spend time downing people's work and yet you can make a rom or troubleshoot a rom on your own. Y'all need to relax yourselves find **** that works for you and stick wit hit. If it aint what you want..move on silently. dont fault the creator just move the hell on. Dont post dumb threads like this and most off DONT SAY ****!!! it's these very same forums dedicated to development of our devices that make our devices that much more amazing so dont flood the forum with dumb ****!!!. Show respect to our developers, give em props for taking time out of their lives to make our android experience benificial and super amazing.:mad:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Super Jamie:
I also disagree with OP's sentiment. I'd rather there be as many ROMs as possible than to have my choice restricted to a handful.

And daeshawn you're right, some people are so rude and unappreciative. I just ignore the douchebags and try to contribute as positively as I can.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] wastingoctober:
I completely understand what you're saying. These forums can be really overwhelming at first. But honestly, I enjoy switching between different builds of Android just to see what they're like. Some people want APPS2SD, some don't. Some people want to split FAT32/EXT3/Swap, some don't. There are simply too many combinations for a small set of ROMs to handle.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] eugene373:
sigh..... guess well never find the middle of the tootie pop
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] sleepykit:
If a middle ground were to exist it could go something like this:

Everyone can do whatever they want as far as their ROMs go. Perhaps, for new people who might otherwise be overwhelmed with choices, the Q&A (if it doesn't already) could link to a few long-running, stable ROMs that typically accomplish the very basics. And once people get a chance to try those, figuring out what you want becomes a little simpler and the tons of threads start making some coherent sense.

It's like "which is better, Cyanogen's rendition or Enom's" and the answer, for a lot of people, is that it depends. There might be similarities and both ROMs ultimately accomplish a lot of the same things (root, A2SD, compcache, linux swap, etc.) but preferences remain. I like one, you like another. There's no reason both developers, each of whom presumably likes their own, can't go on making what they want to make and offering it out there. More over, the experienced users are already aware of the alternatives.

It's really newbies that might find the choices overwhelming.

As for reinventing the wheel with every ROM, many threads already provide credit to a variety of developers, so clearly the work gets around. Just because they all do it at their own leisure and in the order of their choosing doesn't mean the developers are living in closed bubbles. Maybe the colab work that needs to be done is already being done even if it's not obvious. More over, even if two ROM cookers decide to both implement similar changes apart from each other, the choice to do so is totally in their court. Their time and their money and their brains.

There is kind of, for me, a question of stability. I have a fair confidence, for example, that Cyanogen is not going to drop Android development entirely any time soon and his ROMs will continue to exist with updates and bug fixes. Other developers share this sense of stability, but it's not an all around type of thing. There are ROMs out there now that are interesting because they are cool and new, but will they still be maintained a year from now is another question entirely. And I think that's a legitimate concern and reason for wanting at least a few long-lasting ROMs. Because, essentially, if 5 devs work on something and one gets bored, there's still 4 left. Conversely, if there's only one dev and he/she decides they're done, now what?

Just my $.02
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] moa77:
I've no issue with the number of roms.

however, what is missing is a simple resource that lists them and a summary of features.

trying to wade through all the post to see what does what is a total ball ache. I think this is more the problem than the number of roms.

An up to date one pager that showed the current status of what was available would be perfect.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jokeyrhyme:
Well, I totally deserve all the hate this thread has brought my way.

*bows head in shame*

I agree that if there was ever a place to test out dozens of difference features, then this is that place. So it's totally appropriate to have as many different ROMs as there are demands for different features and such.

I do think more could be done to draw new users towards stable and long-term projects, as has been suggested by sleepykit and moa77. Maybe that's really the solution I was after. An update to the listing or something perhaps?

Sorry about being a poohead, I'll be good now. :)

*hugs all round*

PS. I changed the topic title to be less evil and more open.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] EnderWiggen:
I can differently appreciate where OP is coming from. I think it's more a sense of confusion then thinking there should only be 3 types of ROM.

I don't even have my Magic yet and I'm trying to figure out what's best for me, but its great there are all sorts of ROMs to choose from that guys have spent time tweaking.

Some things that would be nice, maybe they exists and I haven't seen it.

Better organization of the ROMs - they should be categorized into type, i.e. Sense UI w or w/o Donut. Maybe rather than 3 or 4 ROMS what the OP should say is 3 or 4 categories

A Matrix of what functionality is working or not working for each ROM, trying to read a thread with 250 posts to figure out of Bluetooth works is a PITA

Version sub categories for each ROM so that we know which is current and can find the one 3 versions old

Something like a sharepoint site could do this pretty easily I'd think, only Dev's would have access to change and upload stuff there.

This is just my take as a noob trying to make sense of all these cooked ROM's, I love them though because if we'd have to wait until the vendor put them out I'd be onto my next phone already!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] snesreviews:
Yeah I agree better organisation would go far. The wiki is pretty good for this though, but it only lists a few ROMs. I tried using loads of ROMs which wouldn't even start, so I kissed my fair share of frogs before I found my prince.

Perhaps if we had a poll for each genre of ROM, n00bs won't have to fight so much to get something they want (if they're like me, they didn't really want bells or whistles), and it will drive ROM makers to get competitive and create better ROMs, or is that against the xda-developers ethos?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] shadow_empire1:
http://db.androidspin.com/android_b...oid_developer_id=&NumberOfReleases=9999&go=go
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] EnderWiggen:
Holy crap man I love you!! This should be in the Wiki and everywhere else!

Looks like it still needs some things filled it but much better then anything else I've seen!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jokeyrhyme:
Yeah, that link is terrific. Thanks!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rossmoore81:
Seriously seriously seriously are you that dumb. First i thought this was a dev section not a hi im a loser with nothing else to do but flash roms on my phone section. This isnt google if your theory was in place these forums would just be ppl *****ing how they havent gotten an update yet. Like in the tmobile forums. This is a development section go to androidspin for rom simplicity. Dont post anti free thinking crap here. Most roms your *****ing about are labled BETA BETA BETA....dont dl them if your not willing to test. Unroot your phone go back to ota updates. This is ridiculous
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rossmoore81:
Plus you idiots are lazy seriously. Xda does have easy search function. Honestly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Griffon23:
Hey all, I just recently got the Tilt 2 after upgrading from the HTC Fuze and I'm very happy with it. I flashed over EnergyROM "Leo" with 2.5 and have been having a great time with it.

I did notice one little nagging issue that's driving me crazy. I added my work IMAP account and set it from downloading the last three days to download all messages. I did the intial Send/Receive and it got alot of my emails, but I noticed that there were some at my office inbox that didn't make it to the phone as well as no emails in any of the IMAP folders even though I know that they should be there.

I tried looking through all the settings I could think of, messaging, email accounts, options, everywhere I could think of. I know there must be a way to do it because I flashed my Fuze all the time and it always downloaded all of my emails once I set it up.

Anyone have any suggestions?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Griffon23:
Just an update. I flashed a different ROM today just incase that was the issue but I'm still having the problem. I haven't tried it on the stock ROM yet, but I really don't want to go back and need the emails for work.

Anyone have any ideas?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fraser:
You might need to select each sub-folder in "Manage Folders" under "Tools". Press each folder for a moment or two until the menu pops up. Try this for your inbox as well. The per-folder settings supersede the global one AFAIK.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ovindahl:
Is it possible? And if it is, how?

It would be practical to me if I could change the IMEI of my G1 to that of my old phone, be cause of the way my operator works.

As far as I can understand this is not an illigal topic on the forum. If it is, please tell me so I can delete the thread.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] h.nocturna:
It is in the wrong forum, and its not possible (afaik) to change your IMEI.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ranger7424:
I believe it is illegal in most countries
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Kazan22:
Someone asked this somewhere else and I'm pretty sure it's illegal
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] escapism2to1:
Someone please help - I downloaded and installed Tarkim's Keyboard Remapping tool and it works great. I noticed, however, that it reverted my Notifications Manager feature back to the new TP2 way that you all seem to want and like. Before this install I'd found and installed Topaz's Notifications Manager that made the feature work like it did in my old TouchPro and T-Mo Wing before that, where you would click on a notification at the top of the screen and it opened each notification individually when tapped PLUS it gives you the old 5 Min/10 Min/15 Min/1 Hour/1 Day snooze options on alarms/reminders, instead of the new default 5 Min only snooze option offered w/ the Notifications Manager on the TP2. This may not be a problem for some but I happen to not like the new Notifications bar/window on the TP2 and downloaded the Topaz Notification Manager Cab to get the Notifications to work in the traditional way and it was working beautifully. BUT when I installed this Keyboard Configurator it put the old TP2 Notifications bar/window back but w/ some tweaks - When you tap the top of your screen in the Notifications area, the Notifications window opens BUT you are able to tap the Data bar inside and it opens the Comm Manager and the Battery bar opens the Power Manager. I think the SDKcerts has something to do w/ this but I really don't know??

I have tried uninstalling the Keyboard Remapping tool and the SDKcerts that it came w/ and the Topaz Notification Manager and reinstalling only Topaz and the old SDKcerts it came w/, but it still gives me the TP2 Not Manager screen w/ extra tweaks. I just want the old one back. Please, can anyone help me get it back???

Thanks so much,

Len
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xnifex:
the Topaz Notification Manager is the new Notification Manager but adds the battery part since the TP2 NM takes out the battery guage.

It DOES NOT do what you want it to, so it must have been some other registry hack or app that you installed to get it the old way.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] as_x1:
i hope this is what are you looking for:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=491676

A.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] escapism2to1:
Xnifex, I think you're right. I did a hard reset back to fact settings and installed the following only and in this order:

1) Keyboard config (w/o SDKcerts pkg'ed w/ the program. (this made the program inoperable, by the way))

2) The original SDKcerts & Topaz Notifications Manager (that I thought gave me the old TouchPro Notification settings)

Result: Exactly what you said - TP2 Notifications bar/window but w/ enhancements to Battery and Comm Managers.

Gosh, guess I have to figure out which of the programs I installed that gave me the old way.

as_x1 - Not exactly what I was looking for but I sure appreciate your response and trying to help.

I appreciate you both and will repost once I figure out what gave it to me...I'm hopeful! :)

UPDATE: FOUND THE FIX...

OMG xnifex, I found the fix!!! And it was w/ the Topaz Notifications Manager...well, slightly. As I said before, I am a super novice, so with that said again, I just realized when I downloaded the Topaz Not. Mngr, it came w/ 2 files in the .Zip - the Topaz Not. Mngr Cab and a sdkcerts Cab. Since I didn't know what the "sdkcerts" was, and the instructions didn't tell me to install it, I only installed the Topaz Not. Mngr Cab file. Well low & behold - that alone gives you the old Touch Pro Not. Mngr options where you can touch on each one at the top of the screen individually and a bubble opens w/ their respective details and features. PLUS it gives you back the old Reminder & Alarm snooze interval options!

Needless to say, I'm very happy to have found this answer

BUT

I really want to have the ability to customize my hardware keys and keyboard. This means installing the Keyboard Configurator WITH the infamous SDKcerts Cab. :( :( What do I do? Is there anyway around this?? Can someone create an SDKcerts Cab that keeps these old Touch Pro Not. Mngr settings??? Or is it at all possible to install the Keyboard Config w/o the SDKcerts????

Well, there's my dilemma :-/ If you or anyone out there can help me, I sure would appreciate it!! I'll also send an email to Tarkim since he seems to know quite a bit about his Keyboard Config.

Thanks so much!!! :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] neocor:
I'm sorry if there was any mention of this problem before, but I wasn't able to find it.

But what happened this afternoon was kinda troubling. I've just bought my HTC Hero, two days ago. I've synced it with outlook with 700 something contacts. And all was fine. There was some trouble with syncing, but all contacts were transferred to phone memory.

When out of a blue, this afternoon, I pulled my phone out of my pocket and all contacts simply vanished. Calendar was still intact, txts as well, all fine but the contacts.

When I came home, I tried to sync it again but it just synced two calendar notes. It synced as if all contacts were on the phone, but they were not. So I've managed to restore them by over-riding phone with PC.

Can anyone explain this? How do I know this won't happen again?

I'm using Windows 7 and Outlook 2007 as well as the latest edition of HTC Sync.

(maybe relevant, maybe not, I've managed to hopefully resolve the before mentioned troublesome connection when syncing by manually installing drivers for Windows 7)

Thank you. I hope I was clear.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ozym:
Probaby an obvious one but if you go into Contacts=>Menu=>View have you accidentally unchecked the set contacts you want to show ?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] MindGame:
I'm having the same problem, but running Windows XP w/ Outlook 2007 instead.

First time was using stock ROM. One day all my contacts disappeared (phone and google contacts). The phone contacts I retrieved by forcing HTC Sync to overwrite my phone's data with my PC's. The google contacts I retrieved by doing a factory reset and setting up my google account again.

Then I installed MCR 2.6, and again my contacts disappeared, but this time only the phone contacts (the google contacts remained).

Has anyone else experienced this?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] KKoppany:
The same problem, twice.

Both time I had this problem when I sent a message.

I think this should be a problem of the ROM-version, and I hope the next ROM will fix it.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] MindGame:
I've been trying to figure this out forever.

Every once in a while my phone contacts will vanish, but the Google contacts always remain.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] MindGame:
I've tried turning off synchronization for Google contacts and it seems that my phone contacts have stopped vanishing for now. Has anyone faced a similar situation?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] cbailey:
Simply migrate you contacts to google. Its very easy. Quite why anyone struggles with Outlook on Android is a mystery. I was Outlook mad pre the Hero, now everything is migrated to googlemail/google calendar/google contacts.

No USB connecting nonsense for updates, all over the air, 2 way sync. Much better than outlook ever was.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] da9th_one:
I purchased a laptop today and DID NOT install active sync on it...when i attempt to tether it with my touch pro2, the internet connection breaks after about 2 mins constantly...im using the internet sharing app to connect...

what can i do to get a longer lasting connection...do i need to install active sync on the laptop??? little help...???

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MCbrian:
Do you have the stock Tmo USA rom on your phone? Or, have you done any major tweaks, etc., that might have messed with some connection setting?

Are you using a T-Mobile "smartphone" data plan and is the data connection APN set to epc.tmobile.com (or internet2.voicestream.com)?

Why not install Activesync (or Windows Mobile Device Center if you're using a Vista or W7)? Is your laptop a Mac?

If not a Mac, then yes, install Activesync or WMDC. That's the standard way for a Windows Mobile device to connect to a Windows PC.

It

does

seem strange that you can connect for a brief time, then lose it -- seems like it would either work or not...??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] da9th_one:
THANKS FOR THE REPLY...!!!

yes i have the stock rom...havent done any major changes other than install sbp mobile shell...my apn is epc.tmobile.com...i am using a pc with vista...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] da9th_one:
I found the solution...!!! In the internet sharing app, my default network connection was "T-Mobile Internet". Once I switched it to "T-Mobile Data", I got a constant connection...Surfed the net for over 3hrs last night....!!! Thank God for HTC, WM & bittorrent ;)