yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chronos2111:
I've catched somebody from Sciphone. I replaced the names.

I say: Hello Sciphone representative

Sciphone representative says: hello

I say: I would like to ask about Sciphone N19/N21

Sciphone representative says: OK

I say: On XDA developers forum there are programmers, who are making roms, and as Android is open source, it is easy to enhance. As i know the bootloader and other non-android software for Sciphones are not released yetMy question would be, would it be possible for Sciphone to release these small codepeaces?

it would make Sciphone a lot more popular

Sciphone representative says: sorry,i think we will not release the codepeaces

I say:i do not see why. As Sciphone is only developing hardware, and selling hardware with open source software, it doesent matter if SP releases bootloader and kernel sources or not. It would even make it more popular

I would even buy one. But if it stays like this, it has no chance to get a homebrew rom.

Sciphone representative says: we did not have the codepeaces,as we let other company develop it for us.

I say: I see. If that changes, please let me know, or write to the forum: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=579098&page=3

Thanks for your answers, have a nice day

Sciphone representative says: ok,thank you
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Djoel:
Digging

I pulled the script file init.rc from my N19,

and I find the text "neo1973".

(Refering to OpenMoko Neo 1973 Linux Phone)

Maybe a clue for hacking?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Djoel:
Linux commands

This is a list of N19 resident commands

# ls /system/bin/

toolbox

id

dalvikvm

showlease

mediaserver

reboot

ime

schedtop

rmdir

iftop

mkdosfs

top

getevent

dosfsck

hcid

ls

insmod

am

vmstat

start

netcfg

mv

applypatch

notify

stop

bugreport

bccmd

exists

chown

wpa_cli

cat

lsmod

df

dvz

app_process

monkey

hciattach

smd

gzip

mkdir

ioctl

kill

rild

linker

pd

svc

log

getprop

mount

vold

system_server

iptables

setconsole

installd

umount

date

ifconfig

ps

sleep

dhcpcd

radiooptions

wipe

ping

netstat

servicemanager

setprop

schedtest

rm

pm

dexopt

flash_image

chat

wpa_supplicant

sendevent

watchprops

sdptool

cmp

hd

surfaceflinger

logwrapper

logcat

chmod

recovery

gemud

iwpriv

debuggerd

ln

sync

dumpcrash

rmmod

dumpsys

gdbserver

service

dmesg

input

sh

printenv

renice

route

dbus-daemon

sdutil

dd

check_prereq

dumpstate

I will try to learn them - Linux is new for me
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] chronos2111:
@Djoel: Would it be possible that you write a review? I'm reallly curious about this phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
Jeeez! of course if N21 is renamed DSTL1, most probably same applies for N19.

You could ask him what company developed it and what is its virgin name.

Now the trail is lost again :-(

I do not like how fast N21 drains battery, i am thinking on purchasing N19 for me, but unavailability of sources for upgrade does make me hesitate a lot.

Chatted with sakesman of SciPhone in MS Messenger. He told that he does not know who is N19 developer, nor does he know about hardware/software.

I asked him to talk to his boss, if SciPhone could disclose manufacturer or disclose software needed to make and install update, either themseves or via phone developers. I also said that personally i do not expect good servicing from cheap chinese vendor and i've enough experience with cheap phones, whose nice formal specifications was kiled by awfull unapdateable software, and personally for me the independent firmware updates is crytical factor between paying for new phone or waiting 6-12 months until other cheap android phones would be thrown into market.

Don't know if he really would talk to boss after New Year, and will it have any fruits. However i think i can wait to spend my money later. While i hope N19 to be a nice phone and toy at same time, my fever is over and i'd wait for outcome.

PS: funny. they say that N19 can run midlets w/o recompilation with dx

Does it mean that N19 has two JVMs inside - Android's VM and some usual JME VM specially for midlets ?

http://www.amazines.com/article_detail.cfm/1266777?articleid=1266777
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I received my n19 sciphone few days ago, and so far its okay. it is a single sim phone; android 1.5.

The one I received is also rooted. (adb shell, then mess around with the files as you like).

In 'About phone' it says:

Model number: TA1.ANDROID.en

Baseband version: IFX 900/1900

Kernel version: 2.6.25 ljx@ljx #560

Build number: TA1-eng1.5 CUPCAKE eng.robinlaw.20091201.115218 test-keys

With wifi turned on, battery lasts about 20 hours. With wifi turned off, just on the mobile network, batterly lasts about 35 hrs. So overall unhappy with the battery life.

Android Market doesn't work. I haven't got a fix yet, but will post when I find / discover it.

When the phone starts up BootLoader V091117 comes up, with word SCIPHONE and android logo displayed. And there is no way to get into recovery mode for it. Until I find a way to recover, I won't be flashing this.

I may have to hack this BootLoader first. Google says "Your search - BootLoader V091117 - did not match any documents."

YouTube.apk that was posted on this forum doesn't work properly -- it lets you browse youtube, plays the videos but the sound is garbled -- it seems that my phone is missing appropriate sound codec that YouTube.apk depends on.

Do any of you xda-devs veterans know how to request separate forum folder for Sciphone N19?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvelev:
Sciphone N19

Here is my phone info:

Model number: N19.SCIPHONE.en

Firmware version: 1.5

Kernel version: 2.6.25 ljx@ljx #554

Build number: N19-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.

robinlaw.20090926.121057 test-keys

I installed the phone driver on Windows XP, and logged as root.

Is there any way to do update to a newer version of Android OS?

Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Donut for the N19???

Found this:

(three W's)broncho.cn

Model: A1

Seems to be the model that "sciphone" cloned and named N19.

I also have this nice chinese smartphone (N19) and I would like to upgrade it to v1.6

I was looking into the source code of their site and...:

<p> Download the latest firmware for your A1 </p>

<!--

<p> The newest Â A1 upgrade firmware pakage <a href="/download/update.zip"><strong><font color="#AA0000">update.zip</font></strong></a> (version: V1.6 Filesize: 40M update time: 2009/12/19)</p>

<p> Upgrade with T-cardï¼š</p>

<p> 1. Download <a href="/download/update.zip"><strong><font color="#AA0000">update.zip</font></strong></a> to your PC disk </p>

<p> 2. Copy update.zip into T-card root directory </p>

<p> 3. Press power+back keys and then entry recovery mode </p>

<p> 4. use scroll ball select "apply sdcard:update.zip"ï¼Œ press it, start to upgrade... </p>

<p> 5. If successfule, it prompts: "install from sdcard complete" </p>

<p> 6. Select "reboot system now", restart your phone, enjoy it! </p>

-->

SO YOU CAN DOWNLOAD V1.6 HERE:

(three W's)broncho.cn/download/update.zip

I'm at work right now, so I cannot test it, but if anyone is succesful with this, please post!!!

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
hmm broncho a1 and sciphone n19 dont appear to have many similarities. differences: cpu, display resolution, fm support, nand rom size, roller key. even if n19's bootloader would use update.zip mechanism for updates (it doesnt) i doubt update would work...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
tried your n19 update but cant seem to enter recovery mode to select file of phone
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvelev:
Sciphone N19 update

Hello,

A few days ago I received an official update for Sciphone N19 but fails to install.

Has tried several times without success. Appears the inscription "Updating" wait a long time and had to whip out the battery to turn off the phone.

I guess anything updates crashing.

If you can perform the update, let's share information

Regards,

Daniel
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
near the sd and sim slots, there is a little hole. if you stick a needle or a pin, forces reboot, so there is no need to wait for battery to discharge.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Thanx for the file dvelev, I will try it when I'm back home.

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
yepp only /data and /system are the actual filesystems, the rest is created during linux boot (apart from few bits from init that gets loaded once from initramfs)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
/etc ?

i don't know how much Android directories tree differ from Linux

But i think /etc is verry commont path and should be present
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
Oh, thanks for those infos. :) As I said I got only basic skills, I don't know a lot of things about how Linux dirs work...

I tried to tar needed files, it works. Should I keep only /data, /system and /init.rc or add something like /init.goldfish.rc ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
sure is, but its symlinked to /system/etc so the actual content sits there. init.rc creates symlink on rootfs if its not there (and it never is, as you boot up)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
init.goldfish.rc is useless -- our phone is not an emulator so init doesn't execute anything in there.

other stuff you need is in /sbin/ that gets loaded from ramdisk, and although you may make this root ("/") filesystem read-write, nothing gets saved when you boot. root filesystem gets loaded from 'ramdisk' partition, then init creates few bits, and linux kernel and modules create and/or make visible things in /dev and /proc. afterwards, init mounts stuff for /system/ off flash and same with /data/

for complete backup Id get everything under /system, everything after /data, and all files (include the useless init.goldfish.rc for completeness) in root plus all files in /sbin. Also keep the empty directories for everything else to maintain the structure of ramdisk.

however, when i attempted to then build flash images off of these, only ramdisk works well, 'system' seems to cause some weird behaviour (eg unable to adjust screen brightness). (and I didn't care about 'data' -- delete everything and that's exactly what 'factory reset' does)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
I updated my "Robot" to the beta available on the Google Code page, it works ! :)

I didn't study much what changed atm, but I can say that our ROM version isn't totally the same. ;) As I said, I had no reference to "Sciphone", while the wizard got those references. I had no "Sync" preferences in Parameters neither. More things may differ but I don't know what things.

If you would like to study my old ROM (to see if there was an improvement ?), I can make my backup available.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
http://code.google.com/p/custom-android-sciphone-n19/downloads/detail?name=hosts

get the file and adb push it to /system/etc

fixes gmail sync issues that started around end of april.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
Pity, pity,...

cheap WinMobile phones gets better CPU and more flash for same price :-(

And seems those are two major problems for the project :-)

price spec rus-discuss

All in all that begs a question, how much does having working A1.5 helps in porting of A2.1 and hence which phone retroactively, in hindsight,, would be better target :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ventraix:
Hi, I've got a New Sciphone but who sold me i think used it before so I'd like to remove all his setting...

I've tried to use the restore option in the setting but it does nothing..

Please Help Me!!!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] lotsofish:
You have a Sciphone N19, correct? You can use `adb` to connect to the debug shell and delete everything from the /data directory.

# cd /data

# rm -rf ./*.*

# reboot

Alternatively, you can install the custom rom from http://code.google.com/p/custom-android-sciphone-n19/wiki/CustomUpdate
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rafaesp:
wow, lot of new messages. I haven't receive email from my subscription since page 37.

I understand less on each new message but I thank to you all that you're keeping this project open to improve our sciphone.

I'm getting angry with the problem of loosing the telephone signal. The worst thing is that people who call me get the calling tone like I were receiving it correctly but I don't.

In my case, that loose of signal is very very common.

In the Exception Browser I have this:

java.io.IOException:Broken pipe (lot's of this)

com.android.internal.telephony.gsm.CommandException: RADIO_NOT_AVAILABLE

android.app.IntentReceiverLeaked:

Activity com.android.development.PackageBrowser has leaked IntentReceiver com.android.development.PackageBrowser$ApplicationsIntentReceiver@438d9c48 that was originally registered here. Are you missing a call to unregisterReceiver()?

Do you understand something?

Thanks!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
The only thing I've found to do about this problem is downloading an app that warns me if I lost the signal. So I can restart rild or reboot.

Maybe other guys on this topic may provide better advices.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rafaesp:
That's an improvement... Can you tell me the name of that app that warns?

And how do you restarts rild?

Dev tools->Terminal emulator-> /system/bin/rild ?

thankss
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
The app is named "No signal alert".

And yeah, I'm restarting rild by using the terminal, it doesn't always work, but sometimes it does, else I reboot. I'm not loosing the signal many times anyways.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rafaesp:
well... another problem :mad::mad: I tried to enter the android market but my account didn't connect. I have delete google apps data trying to restart my account password but it still not connecting.

The error message is:

"Can't establish a reliable data connection to the server. This could be a temporary problem or your SIM card may not be provisioned for data services."
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6389877&postcount=388

This trick fixed my recent Market problems.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rafaesp:
oh it works! Sorry for don't read...

lot of thanks, I don't know what I would do without you, guys :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Egnubo:
Anyone managed to find a solution or a workaround for the crashing problem with some apps? A friend of mine really wants to run iSilo... pls help..
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ESKIMOn00b:
this is a hardware limitation (as far as i can tell), but io dont have one of these phones, so no guarantee....

basically, to cut costs SciPhone used a processor one model UNDER the one in the G1's (the most basic processor fully supported by android)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
The app must be fully compliant with armv4 CPU.

I've asked to a french dev to make his SIP app armv4 compliant, if he succeeds we may have a replacement app for Sipdroid.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] syam:
Touch screen not working - Need original firmware for Sep 2009 model

Hi,

My touch screen not working - it works for few minutes at random and then stops working. hard keys are working fine, and phone can receive calls as well. I am using the modified leaked (official) firmware for sept September 2009 model. It worked for a month or fine and now I have this touch screen problem. I re flashed the problem persists.

Any help in this regard is appreciated.

Also if somebody has original firmware for the September 2009 model, please do share I would like test the phone with the original firmware if the problem persists.

Thank you.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ano59:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6314492&postcount=387

You can try my own former image, however this is at your own risks, I didn't try it and nobody probably did.

Else, if the problem stays after reflashing, did you think to a possible hardware problem related to the touchscreen ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexmulo:
Can everyone help me?

The hard rest on my sciphone N19 don't work, I try to change the firmware again but when I login in google apps I become this error:

can't establish a reliable data connection to the server

this colud be a temporary problem on your SIM card may not be provisioned for data services. If it continues, call Customer care.

thank you very much for your help
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rafaesp:
yes

:)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] alexmulo:
Should I put the file with txt extension or without it? And than restart or what?

thanks a lot
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yux2:
how is the proceding to eclipse port ? Is there somebody still working on ? :o
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
i bet, you meant Eclair port :-)))
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
/etc/hosts file is never with extension

you can check it on your desktop computer. Paths are in comments on wikli page.

It depends on configuration of computer system. Usually system (full-scale Windows or full-scale Linux) notices that file changed and reloads it. What about Android? who knows.

Reboot is more reliable though of course.

If you have shel inside a phone, you can try ping command there for some host, that was nailfixed in originall hosts fie.

ping some-google-host

And see if its numerica IP-address changed.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] yux2:
hoppla :rolleyes:

yes the eclair port :D
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
offtopic

then, once in a while, leaving crisis behind or hoping for it, the prices began to grow :-)))

$350 - http://product.madeinchina.com/SciPhone-N19-Google-Android-Smart-Phone-WiFi-2_12470354.shtml

Swfuly hot phone ! :-))))

Yet another clone: http://product.madeinchina.com/Drop-1pcs-9500-Google-Android-OS-System-WIFI-JAVA_12470149.shtml

And oldies-goldlies, with better CPU and more ROM (those AFAIR are main problems out there) seems to drop to the same price.

http://product.madeinchina.com/HTC-Google-G2-Android-1-6-WiFi-G-sensor-Unlocked_12470549.shtml
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] frozzzen:
dead phone

Hello,

I have The Robot phone (http www chinavasion com/product_info.php/pName/the-robot-28-inch-touchscreen-cellphone-with-android-os/) - Schophone N19 copy, and flashed it with custom N19 firmware. After updating ROM, phone doesn't boot :( Phone showing boot screen (boot ver. 091117), showing black screet, vibrating and showing boot screen again - cycling until I don't eject accu.

Can, you, please, help me?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Rafaesp:
I stop using my N19. Problems with signal are too common and I can't get coming calls.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robinliu:
With "on-handset port", do you mean i can overwrite system libs and files without flashing?

---------- Post added at 05:15 PM ---------- Previous post was at 05:08 PM ----------

A few days ago I received an official update for Sciphone N19 but fails to install.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
Any tips to loading the update? Do we need to unpack file or enter recovery mode etc?

Or are steps on file?

Thanks will try ASAP and post results
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
The package includes a "read me" file.

All the process is described there...

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appc:
Update sucsessfull

Update was completed successful.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Really?

And what do you have now? Can you give us more details?

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appc:
Sorry, i speak english very bad.

Now I've got working google market

For example: I was successfully install "Bluetooth File Transfer" from Market.

Synchronization with gmail contacts do not working.

Model Number: ta1.android.en

FW: 1.5

Kernel: 2.6.25 ljx@ljx #560

Build number: ta1-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.robinlaw.20091201.115216 test-keys
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Thank your for the effort appc

Pitty is not a v1.6

Anyway, Google Market its nice

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I was attempting to use 4Gb SD card -- and update doesn't even start. Alex, what size CD card did you use? Bootloader seems to be picky about format and size of the SD and may not even recognize the update.... (so I still haven't had any success with update)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
What is your build date you are trying to update?

maybe you have wrong fat format or phone is already at the required build or file download was incomplete.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I doubt that bootloader has the capability to read what's inside the img files before attempting to flash it. It can't even read fat32... (you cannot force fat16 on a 4Gb card -- well you can using phones mkdosfs but then the card is unreadable)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
I tried with a 2GB microSD with no luck, later today I will try with a 1GB microSD, I will post results.

Btw, this update seems to have a bootloader / update system, is that opening doors for a possible custom 1.6 for N19?

Cheers

Alex

UPDATE:

1GB microSD also fails, you can read "Updating" and wait forever...

:(
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
download at the fileshare site for n19 has stopped working. Please can you upload to maybe another site if you have a working copy and have successfully upgraded. eg mediafire.com
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
I Uploaded the package here:

h--p://w-w-w.esnips.com/doc/095046af-a4e3-41d3-8677-b8fbf2c8bfba/Image_N19_EN_20100106_900_1800_Update_Market
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
i have also tried various cards and have no luck updating my N19. I am stuck on UPDATING like a couple of other people here.

I have tried a 1gb and a 256mb card both in Fat format.

Any tricks guys who have done it?

Does it take 2 minutes like readme says?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Yes, it would be nice to read some details on how long the updating takes. On the other hand, I think that maybe we have to do something on our N19 to let the updater do its job, maybe reset to factory state before procedure or something else.

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
dvelev, could you tell us who gave you that update at bluelans?

who you contacted?

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
format card. copy files in the order as said in instrucrions. i found somewhere that boot loaders are sometimes sensitive to order in which files were copied. i still havent had luck with update it doesnt even start. ive been trying various ways of partitioning the card. 4g card.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
definately, if it works. my only show stopper is identifying and testing mechanism to update the phone if i brick it. if i manage to update the phone with this update, donut 1.6 and unstable v2 should be just a few days away.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvelev:
Update

Hello,

I try to update the phone with 1 GB card, as recommended.

Again without success.

Anybody has an idea whether there are any log files on Android?

Daniel
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
I tried sorting the files when copying into the microSD as suggested, same history, I can read "Updating" and the phone gets stuck there.

@xulture

Great news! Let's hope we have some luck with your research!

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I bought 2Gb SD card. Card came 'FAT' formatted (when pugged into a computer, right click on the drive, go properties).

Copied one file at the time (updata.txt, uImage, root, system.. in that order). "Safely remove device". Place in the phone, restart, and it updated itself (it did take about 2-3minutes until the phone said 'remove tf card and restart').

Build number didn't change (so the same kernel version as before). "My location" in the maps still doesn't work.

'Market' application is now in the programs, installing 'ASTRO File manager' worked.

Previous SD card that doesn't even start the update was SDHC, 4Gb. The one that worked is SDC (not the SDHC) 2Gb.