yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvelev:
@darkship what is build number of your phone?

Same as mine:

Build number: N19-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.

robinlaw.20090926.121057 test-keys

or another?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
OK mine is same build

Build number: N19-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.

robinlaw.20090926.121057 test-keys

and stuck on updating screen too.

Xulture since yours worked do you know what your build was prior to update?

Just trying to work out if the issue is limited to one build date or another issue.

PS

I can get my N19 to start updating using either 256mb,1gb or 2gb card however all stall on updating
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Hi again,

My N19:

Build number: N19-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.

robinlaw.20090926.121057 test-keys

So same as yours dvelev... :( Why rejects to update? ANy explanation?

Thanks in advance!

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
For those which worked updating.

After it says remove Tf card how did you rest phone? Side rest button or remove battery?

Alos how long till phone poewred into life after reset? Did it sit for long on any screens.

Just thinking ahead for next step we need to do so when we solve our stuck issue can proceed to update quickly.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
@xulture

I am starting to play with the possibilty that my files could be "maybe" corrupted or something. Could you upload the package you used to upgrade anywhere where we could get it?

Thanx in advance!

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
Uhh i used files that dvelev uploaded, and he had the same issues with stuck update before uploading them.. I'm over and out to sleep now, so I'll load them somewhere tomorrow...

My kernel build didn't change with the update... dated 20091201.1152.. But Kernel (what shows in About Phone / Build Number) doesn't have anything to do with Bootloader's version.

So lets focus on the bootloader:

My phone (since i bought it) used to show the bootloader screen for about 10 seconds, before changing to the ANDROID text in the middle of the screen.

The screen had:

SCIPHONE (written at the top)

Android robot picture (in the middle and small text android)

BootLoader V091117 Loading... (at the bottom)

With the correct sd card after mucking about trying to partition 4g hsdc card and never having update to start, this screen didn't even come up, went to show this text at the top of the screeen:

Updating... don't turn off the power!

fatload mmc 1 0x30000000 system.img.yaffs1

(this fatload line changed quickly few times, all in about 10 seconds since powering on the phone, then it was stuck on it for some 5 minutes or so)

then the phone started vibrating and the text appeared at the bottom of the screen:

updata finish ok! please plug out T card! and reset!

So (while it was still powered on) I unplugged the card, and pushed the hole near the sim card to reset.

Phone went back to the bootloader screen (with the robot) stayed for about 30sec, then changed to ANDROID text (usual android text that changes gradient) and was stuck there for some 5 minutes. It seemed too long. But eventually it was up and running. After that first startup, it's been starting up faster.

Im struggling trying to get nandwrite and nanddump compiled for our cpu, so we can dump these bootloaders and compare them, and if bootloader needs updating, we can do that as well -- but whoever does it, takes the risk of permanently damaging the phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dvelev:
Hi @darkship,

xulture it has an archive of files that I originally put in rapishare. View the MD5 sum of your files that meet one of my previous posts.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Thanx xulture and dvelev for your answers!

I will do as you suggested checking MD5 dvelev. (UPDATE: I checked with MD5 tool and my file is OK)

Have a nice rest xulture!

PD:

My N19 bootloader history:

When I push the power button, it vibrates and takes me to a screen where you can read "Sciphone" and you can see the little android with the words "android" below him... Same as xulture here, but there is no any other information showing (no bootloader loading at the bottom...) so I think we have a difference here... :/

Later, it displays the changing gradient "ANDROID" big words and after some seconds, the phone as booted and its ready to work.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
im uploading the file to google code.. .we may as well start a project there for custom builds...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
Ok stated the page.. PM me here to get added to the project so you can send files too.

I'll be creating source code repository when I get donut compiled -- with our additions to the source code system.

http://code.google.com/p/custom-android-sciphone-n19/
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Very nice! Thanx xulture!

I'll try to help with my limited skills.

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
Hi! I have bought this phone several days ago.

I like it, but have one problem. Bad sensitivity of the microphone. If i talk s usual - its very quiet at another side.

Coluld it been resolved with new firmware? Thanks.

P.S. Sorry for my English. Its not my native language.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
Ok we have found a difference which may explain why some can update and others can't

The above update was carried out using file on a build dated 20091201.1152 and the person says it worked.

So far the peoples who dont work all seem to have :

Build number: N19-eng 1.5 CUPCAKE eng.

robinlaw.20090926.121057 test-keys

Can someone else who has updated and worked OK confirm the build date they had prior to update?

P.S

The build robinlaw.20090926.121057 test-keys

does not show boot text of file during normal power up or during a failed update attempt.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I've noticed that too -- sound quality from the speaker while you're on the phone is alright, but not very good, and also sound from the microphone (that the other person hears) is alright, but not very good.

A lot of this actually depends on the physical hardware. It may be possible to apply some filters in the firmware to make it sound better tho... I'm too far away in hacking the rom for that....
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
Ok. Thanks. I wrote them letter.

If I'll install new firmware (1.6) , can I rollback it to factory firmware then they ask me to send it back?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appc:
How reset to factory defaults?

How reset to factory defaults?

Settings - SD card &phone storage - Factory data reset don't working for me :(.

May be exist another way?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
To my knowledge, there is no way to restore to factory default, unless you somehow backup the stuff first. I was trying to get 'nanddump' compiled for n19 so you can do that, bo so far without much success *sigh*
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
if you have adb setup, deleting everything from /data directory and then restarting the phone should do the trick...
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
So, at the moment, we have the 'official' update that works for some owners of Sciphone n19, but not for others.

When it doesn't work, "Update..." freezes up and the phone stays like that forever (until reboot). Reboot just restarts the phone without having anything updated.

I still haven't compiled nanddump and nandwrite succesfully. (the version I have now attempts to run, but bails out with an error).

Once these two tools work, it will be possible to flash the image files into the phone without using bootloader's functionality. This, however, if risky -- if update doesn't work the phone will be unaccessable and will never boot up again.

Better approach is to use nanddump to dump out bootloader from the phones that get stuck during update. Then reverse engineer enough to understand what is causing the problem. Then we may be able to repackage the update in a way that will work for both versions of Sciphone N19.

As far as Donut build goes, I managed to get a version of it compiled for N19, but haven't imported all n19 custom drivers, so it doesn't boot up properly. Further, I'm having issues with compiling codecs. I will not publish any of these images, until I have a version capable of making calls.

In terms of repackaging, does anyone want to have a look at unyaffs program that's available? This program works well for yaffs2 images, however due to our phone's memory restrictions (in short, its an older version) our images need to be in yaffs1 format, and this program can't read them. Let us know here if you get it to work correctly, and are able to to unpack supplied 'official' images.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Nice work xulture! Thanx for the time you are spending on this!

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appc:
Thank you very much.

I # rm -r /data partition, apply update and install google contacts provider and Now I have working sync with my gmail address book.

I am almost happy. :)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
Has anyone gotten the little internet connection icon to show 3G instead of G? Is it just me that can't connect using 3G, its just GPRS?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
There is NO 3G. Read specification. ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
already disabled downloading. RapidShare sucks. esnip fails as well

Perhaps re-upload to DepositFiles.com or iFolder.ru ? they usually hold files for longer time. Or perhaps some p2p ?

Could someone copy readme text into vvv pastebin.ca ? just the readme for curiosity?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
BTW, can android be modded to boot with verbose text logging, like default linux kernel does ? picture is fancy, but in case like this text log info is more usable :-)

Hope to see unofficial (independent) 1.6 or even 2.0 runnind.

To me it's decision point there to order my one or not :-)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
User has already uploaded it again a few days ago in a early page on this thread

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5360040&postcount=52
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
I erased my upload to snips, as I understood that xulture made it available at "google code". If I'm wrong, I can upload the file to snips again.

@xulture

It would be possible to "install" or "push" the "Market" application into my " non-updated" N19?

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] whitt123:
Has anyone had success modifying and then updating the file to the non-working builds of N19 yet?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
Yiihooo! I have resolved my microphone problem!

I made some researches and found /system/etc/asound.conf . It's a ordinary ALSA configuration file :p

Some googling and some thinking and asiest way to resolve it - I must change microphone gain.

In such strings you could found default gain for different modes. Most of them have value 10.

{ name 'MICAmp Gain'	value 10	}

I'm not ALSA expert. That's why I changed all such strings values to 30 and BINGO! - I got my problem resolved. :D At first I changed it to 50 - but it seems like too sensible.

{ name 'MICAmp Gain'	value 30	}

To take this file from the phone you need Android SDK.

Get it from phone under linux.

adb pull /system/etc/asound.conf ~/asound.conf

Put it back after changing

adb push ~/asound.conf /system/etc/asound.conf

In attachment you could found original and modified files. ;)

P.S> I hope darkship will add this hack to google wiki.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
added asound patch
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
Android Market is in Vending.apk

Vending.apk from

http://code.google.com/p/custom-android-sciphone-n19/downloads/list

update_v1.0.zip

It may or may not work. This version was unable to actually download the app, before I updated the phone, but it was able to browse apps on the Market.

The whole update_v1.0.zip was working well pre-update except Market and YouTube (but syncing and other bits were fine).

However, since your version may be different to mine (as they were before the update), things may not work. Better to try with just vending.apk than risking breaking other things..

cheers,

Xulture
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I've uploaded first custom system.img build of donut. it's very far from being usable -- Its there only so other people that like to hack phones can have a go at it.

This image is compiled from official Donut sources, with Toolchains borrowed from 'android-on-freerunner' project -- our phone has the same cpu as theirs, so executables work.

I haven't had the time to even see what happens when I flash with it, but for those that like editing files via adb, there may be some hope with it

You need to setup your svn access to it; see http://code.google.com/p/custom-android-sciphone-n19/source/checkout for instructions.

If you don't know how to use SVN, then this update is probably not for you, wait a few weeks until we get it into 'downloads' when its stable enough.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
@xulture

Even if I'm stuck with my "stupid" N19 not being able to update, I really want to thank you for the effort and the time you are spending on this.

Is there any update on "nand" operations that would open doors for us?

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maxtrin:
Sciphone n19 Help

Hello I have A sckiphone N19 and want to update it so I can have The market etc etc,

Cant you please write an Guide for noobs like me hhow i should do???

I have tried to connect my phone to android_sdk but it wont work i dont understand how to??:mad:

sorry about my bad english.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
The "Fix for poor microphone sensitivity" is OK for non updated N19?

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Lazy_Dog:
I have a problem with google apps. It not working on my Sciphone. When google signing in process com.google.android.googleapps has stopped unexpectedly.

I have version N19 witch not updateble.

To Maxtrin: all instruction inside archive
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appc:
I have the same. But after I delete all from data partition, It's starts working.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
What do you mean with "Deleting Data Partition"?

Can you explain a little bit more in depth?

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maxtrin:
Thanks

Thanks dident se that it worked on all my phone :)

Another question how do i use the microphone update and the update_v1.0.zip

Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
If you will follow my instruction and update config file form your fimware - it also works.

p.s. After some testing today I raised up MicGain to 45.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maxtrin:
But it says To install these, unzip them into one folder, then run run.bat.

One folder one the phone? I dont understand

Sorry i am just trying to learn.:confused:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
> run.bat

files *.bat are command scripts executable under Microsoft operatign systems: Windows and (now dead, but once they were) DOS and OS/2

So it clearly is to be run on computer under windows Command Prompt

perhaps it also can be run under Linux+DosEmu+FreeDOS or Linux+DosBox as well

**** and about boosting Microphone Gain, guys, Android is just a Linux with non-standard graphics on top of it!

ALSA is just standard sound mixer in Linux - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Linux_Sound_Architecture

Before trying to inject unstable Android patches within N19 you'd better get some Linux experience, at east some basics. with any failure you'd resort to command line and config files and filesystem mounting - standard for Linux.

Install something like Sun's www VirtualBox.org, download some easy linux into VirtualBox and play with it, like beginlinux.wordpress.com/2009/12/28/sabayon-5-1-gamers-linux-screenshots/sabayongaming20/

Untill there'd be shop-quaity release of Android all else is just hacking that might easily brock the phone. Especially if you're a newbye. Then better go converging ways: while unofficia Android for N19 will be getting ready, you will be getting Linux experience enough to understand what you gonna do with your phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
you do, however, have to install the adb program that comes as part of android-sdk-windows (or some other operating system) available from developers.android.com
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
I had to knock MicGain down to 15... even with 20 people I was talking to were complaining about echo they were getting (hearing themselves back..)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
I hope most of them understand that all the manipulations they maid for own risk.

May be microphone has some defects. Thats why I had raised it to 45.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] appc:
adb shell rm -r /data/*

Install GoogleContactsProvider.apk From update_v1.0.zip, and now, I have Cotacts synced with my gmail contacts.

p.s. sorry for english, I hope you understand what I mean.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
@appc

Thank you mate! I understood everything OK! :)

Cheers,

Alex
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
They probably are too optimistic about how risky it is.

If you have Linux experience, then repacing alsa config is easy and recovering it as well.

but if you have not - then any stupid mistake in phone or in your actoions - and you are lost with no idea what to do know

we tell basically "it is easy, just edit that line in that file" how it appears to us

for them it is risky just to copy file

they can easily mistype rm -rf / data instead of ... /data and would not even understand that was their stupid and cruel fault

they take this fix to be easy-peasy and tested by hundreds of users.

It is, if think of Linux-users.

It is absolutely no, if think about N19 users

They take much more risk, than they think theuy are suggested to take.

or its soldering ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Maxtrin:
Spotify Sciphone N19

Do you guys have eny ide how to get Spotify to work on the phone, All that happens is a black screen and them back to the menu..

Thanks
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
Anyway they was warned.

I don't know that it means :) Microphone hole - clear. Voice on standard config - very silent and bad.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
They are hackers here and if ever would be interested, then it would be De-spotify :-)

I wonder why do you want p2p file streaming on the phone without 3G support, since they tel it is a must: http www spotify.com/en/help/faq/#mobile - you already read it, didn't you ?

However that question is better to be asked in Spotify forum and SciPhone forum.

http getsatisfaction.com/spotify

http www mysciphone.com/English_Sciphone_Forum/viewforum.php?f=36

Who knows what there is on the PCB mainboard, i meant wires and how good they are attached.

Somehow i feel temptation to order the phone if only to disassemble it and look inside, maybe there are some clues who originally manufactured it? or can we at least port OpenMoko here, if not Android :-)

BTW, all you users, can you tell me three things about it ?

1) RAM is 128MB or 64MB ?

2) does it have shake sensor ? can i, for example, change pictures by shaking phone ? It must not has it but somewhere in forums it sounded like it does

3) does it have MIDlets support ? Again, i see little reason for Android to hav Java ME virtual machine inside, but in the net there was instruction how to download j2me jars into the phone and run them. Obviously they either mistaken N19 and some other phone, or N19 features 2 java VM's: Dalvik and some ARM Java Mobile VM ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
Triones, or beyond-radio.com is manufacturer. 'Sciphone' is rebranding of their hardware. Not sure who actually worked on hardware and who worked on software. Guys from 'mysciphone.com' (which comes printed on the box) claim they manufacture and 'another company' developed sofware. Over on beyond-radio's website, their 'google phone' is identical to Sciphone N19.

1) 128Mb ram and 128Mb rom (flash)

2) no gravity sensor -- that post about someone watching youtube etc.. no idea what's that about.

3) it has Dalvik as slow as 1.5 was. I haven't tried midlets, someone claims no need to hack but in the filesystem I see no evidence.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=616206&page=62

ask there for forum for sciphone n19 :-)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
Opera Mini works very well.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] annoynimouse:
yd> Opera Mini works very well.

genuine .jar from m.opera.com

or converted .apk like at microemu.blogspot.com/2009/08/converting-javame-applications-to.html ?

xu> ask there for forum for sciphone n19

I appreciate your work and in fact that would be key factor in my doubts, buy the phone or collect money for expected PixelQi-based MIDs, something like A81 + smartQ V7 combining best options :-)

As of now i feel this thread is enough, i see no content to fill the whole forum.

So i would not support that request as now.

It is not because my ignorance or understatement of importance of your project. But... it feels like porting HD-Video codec into N19 - just no usage for it, nothing worth the whole forum.

xu> Not sure who actually worked on hardware and who worked on software. Guys from 'mysciphone.com' (which comes printed on the box) claim they manufacture and 'another company' developed sofware.

My experience differ. MSN contact at mysciphone.com told that he does not know origins of device and only boss might know.

Thanks for info though, looks the same. Did you try e-mail them ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
the only email on beyond-radio site is sales@beyond-radio.com. sending there I instantly get bounce back -- relay not allowed. *sigh* (no matter what address i send from).

Lemme try the jar from opera... opera mini from android market works, but that was an .apk.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
ok so i went to m.opera.com it said 'your phone is android...' so i went to m.getjar.com it said phone not recognized, i picked j2me, downloaded few .jad files none run (from the download list they show me properties in the package, from the file manager i get to choose whether to open as text or image etc... unable to execute.

downloaded "Java/J2ME Runner" by Netmite from Android Market. it updated itself, and it seems to work, but the annoying thing is i didn't work out a way to get it to run file I downloaded, insted it does its own download from somewhere.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
does anyone else have issues with adb? it seems that the phone stops responding after a while. Then i have to turn on USB mass storage, wait 5-10sec, turn it back off, and adbd usually comes back to life... for a while.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
It's my fault. Its .apk from market.

I found that adb stops responding after screen turns off.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] xulture:
ohh yeah everything stops ;-) wifi if it was on, adbd, etc... but that's fine, switch the screen timeout to 'never'... chews the battery but while you're plugged into usb, you don't care about that..
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] www.rzr.online.fr:
GNU/Linux distro for Sciphone N19

I wonder if it supports other GNU/linux distro , like openmoko's ones or maemo form : mer ?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] darkship:
Hmmm, Linux on a N19... That would be fun!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ydanila:
Cutting init.rc by

adb shell cat /init.rc

found some interesting things

...
# Open up access to GPS interface
chmod 666 /dev/s3c2410_serial1
chmod 666 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/pwron

# Open up access to bluetooth interface
chmod 666 /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-bt.0/power_on
...

Unfortunately it haven't neo1973-pm-gps.0 :)

Names of devices means that it based on Neo Freerunner?

p.s. Trying to move installation of apk to sdcard. Need instructions on success?