yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
It is massively used, particularly outside the US. Just as a quick example, research by Microsoft and MTV shows (in Europe) 75% of youth (base: 16-24 yr olds) 'Bluetooth stuff' to their friends and 60% use the internet on their handsets. Recent UK research by Orange (base: all) shows 63% use Bluetooth and 53% use mobile internet.

(http://advertising.microsoft.com/europe/ResearchLibrary/research-library?

Adv_ResearchReportID=598

http://www.orange.co.uk/mediapack/default.htm?

linkfrom=mediapack_research_18627&link=channelname&article=mediapack)

It is a ridiculous situation. Check out the list of issues for Google:

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/list

Bluetooth File transfer is easily the most required bug fix issue, and yet the item is still stuck at New. No comment from any of the developers or any Google peeps.

There are a few reasons I can think of for this:

1. They have a perception (perhaps because they live in the US) that Bluetooth file transfer is not that widely used, so they arent in any hurry to include it. Dont know if that is true or not, but it is huge in the rest of the world, and the US market is small compared to that, so they are shooting themselves in the foot if they dont get round to it soon.

2. There are rumours that Google are building an online music service. This is part of the reason that Apple doesnt like it, they dont want users sending each other music. Perhaps a similar thing is happening here, so they are discouraging it to fit in with that strategy. Of course that hamstrings sending all other file types as well, which seems stupid.

3. (And this seems the most likely) there may be an extremely limited number of Android source code developers. What they bother to implement may vary according to their personal preference.

But I still really dont get the lack of response.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agent-5:
I Agree

Thats a great post graculusthegreenbird. I totally agree.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadeemhasnaat:
Ok first off, These statistics are by MICROSOFT who thought its a good idea to throw out a half baked vista out in the market and MTV ( SHOW SOME Music VIDEOS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, dont bother with this bluetooth stuff and surveys with Microsoft) .... LOLZ

In No means am i trying to diss ur effort mate and i kind of agree about the usage .... These figures might be blown out of proportions but there's still alot of people who use bluetooth... But i am sure you'll agree that the hype it had when it was released, has kind a faded but that doesnt mean a high end OS like Android should omitt it when Cheap companies are churning out phones with bluetooth file transfer.

1) I dont think they didnt work on bluetooth because of their perception like you said. Its just too hard to digest.

2) Google Music could be the reason why its not included in the OS but then again i am sure the Devs at google could have blocked file transfer of purchased stuff, rather than not having BT file transfer at all

3)That is completely off .... i dont think they have limited resources at all ... Its GOOGLE man ...

Now i am not well equipped enough to be really know whats the real cause here ... but i think the reason could be the launch of android 1.0 itself .... It was released in a hurry ( Deadlines, carrier - No idea ) and with 1.5 the dev's had to address major issues like no virtual keyboard and lag in scrolling and stuff .... and 1.6 seems like a minor update too .... NOW 2.0 seems to be a big step forward which leads me to think that maybe just maybe Google might surprise us .... See as far as i know its a tough thing this bluetooth file transfer thingy and i know a couple of devs in XDA (RESPECT TO you all ) who have been working tirelessly on this for us but all the effort has yet to bear fruit so i am guessing as talented as they are ( i think way more than Google's Devs ) its still taking time ...so maybe ...

But this is my two cents ...

Peace out
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
No offence taken, your post made me think about it a little harder.

I would take issue with the automatic dismissal of the advertising because it was commissioned by Microsoft. I work in the Survey/Data measuring industry, and the likelihood is that they would have comissioned a 3rd party to actually do the study. They wouldnt be able to publish something which didnt agree with the actual results of the study.

However, did you actually read the source? There is nothing particularly startling there that would make me think that the Bluetooth usage figure is particularly off or out of place.

For example, forget Europe and the UK, their global survey says that 82% of the youth market use their phones to take pictures. And 62% use them to play music. Nothing particularly surprising about that, right? So if the same study using the same methodology says that globally 56% of youths bluetooth stuff to their friends, why does that particular result seem unlikely?

Of course, it all depends on the sample sizes, but there is no reason to dismiss the results off the bat.

I actually agree with you about 1 and 2. I was just trying to chuck out possibilities, as the whole things seems bizarre!

Regarding 3, I do a lot of Android app development and there are very few Google employees who ever contribute to the discussion groups, which may have given me the impression that there arent that many.

Of course, there could be hundreds, and they could all just be busy, but it strikes me that as Android is generally so damn good from the start Google may have gone for a more sensible approach than just throwing manpower at it, and recruited a smaller team of talented individuals. In which case, the size of the team could well lead to that sort of preference.

Or you may be right, they are just busy! And will get round to it..

But when this issue is starred so highly and there is no response, it is just baffling.

Cheers...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Bear in mind that Android wasn't originally a Google product per se - they bought a company called Android Inc that was developing it (see here).

I would hazard a guess that the "core" Android team @ Google is quite small, and consists primarily of ex-Android Inc employees.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
Thanks, Dave, I wasn't aware of that.

Things may have changed since then, of course, but still interesting.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadeemhasnaat:
I think your right on the money here my friend... look i did read the report and i am all for it man i think the numbers are correct but what i was tryin to say was that maybe 56% was 76% a couple of years ago or even more when the bluetooth was first introduced, which could and would lead one to assume that there is decrease in the number.... Having said that, It should not be an excuse to deny a device like HERO this basic functionality...

Also i think ur absolutely right about the number of the developers.... It makes alot of sense given Google's history.... Now that u have mentioned it i cant help but think that it has to be the case ... Google has indeed a very small yet reasonable number of highly qualified Devs....

Oh and i also want to thank Mr. Fox, i did not know about Android inc ( how could i've missed that )....

Oh plus i read the preview of Moto Droid and Boy Genius did not speak about bluetooth which could mean that google's aint done nothin abt it yet .... :(
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dieseldk:
Looks like bluetooth will be in 2.0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opZ69P-0Jbc
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] behnaam:
It will support Bluetooth API
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] robertosandros:
Bottom of this page it specifies implementation of object push profile for Bluetooth

developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadeemhasnaat:
So for those of us who only speak english .... are u saying we can send and recieve stuff in 2.0 ?????
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
Still looking for clarification on that.. Object Push Profile is based on OBEX, which is the lower level profile that I believe is normally used for phone to phone transfer on Nokias, Windows Mobile etc..

But it is not yet clear whether that means OBEX is supported out of the box.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadeemhasnaat:
i did a bit of digging around and found out that OPP is responsible for transferring files so i guess its safe for me to say " YUPPIEEEE " :D
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
I just had it confirmed from a Google employee on the Android Development list:

> A question about the Bluetooth functionality... it says that Bluetooth

> 2.1 is supported, and particularly the OPP (Object Push Profile).

> Specifically, does this mean that we will finally be able to send and

> receive files between other phones and PCs?

Yes

>

> OPP is I beleive based on OBEX, which is what tends to normally be

> used for this sort of thing.

OBEX is the object exchange protocol.

OPP is Object Push. It is a description of how the user uses OBEX - in

this case to push files.

Android 2.0 has OBEX and OPP.​

Finally! Now all we need is the 2.0 release for the Hero, and an app to actually do it, as I doubt File Transfer will be built in functionality.

But great news! :cool:
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadeemhasnaat:
Graculus ur like breath of fresh air :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] furrypotato:
Over on engadget they publiched an official release from HTC announcing that they are working on 2.0 for Hero:

"Yes, we are working on an Eclair update for the HTC Hero. Because Eclair is a significantly enhanced release, it will require some time to update Sense for this new version of the Android OS. Please be patient while we work to provide you with a tightly integrated experience like the one you are already enjoying on your Hero."

Sounds like it might take a while but it is coming...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
I think you will find that is my aftershave... ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] nadeemhasnaat:
old spice ????? :P
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] agent-5:
It certainly looks that way...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] graculusthegreenbird:
Sex Panther. 60% of the time, it works every time..

http://www.firebox.com/product/2291/Sex-Panther

:)
[General Questions and Answers] Pilot1:
Hi,

I wonder if anyone know of a good source or tutorial or similar for developing Windows Mobile 6.5 Titanium Plugins?

/Sonny
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Themes and Apps] robinakilt:
Does anyone know if there is a program for the tp2 that will allow you to create digital version of membership cards with bar codes the stores offer. My buddy has one for his i-phone but I am not having any luck finding one for winmo6.

If someone wants to know of what I am talking about there is a website mycardstar.com. any help greatly appreciated.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] savagemari:
Let's try this new ROM from Dutty and share our findings. I hope that will be bugless :p Maybe someone who already flashed it can put some screenshots and share his opinion.

http://htcpedia.com/duttys_hd_leo_r_9b853eda83bfda130/soft/htc-blackstone-rom.html

Updated To New Leo Rom Core Manila _2_5_19201130_0

Updated Applications including Opera, YouTube and etc.

Updated some drivers in Rom.

Updated Windows Live application.

Updated Bing application.

Fixed Sip Highlight in theme throughout Rom.

Re-arrange Folders in Settings Tab.

Twitter seems to have problems with HD CONNECTING

Enable clicking settings to go directly to settings rather than through manila.

Added my old Muchos theme as a second theme in Rom to use soft reset required.

Some other minor amendments and performance tweaks.

My Location works but only through WIFI and also depends on user Location.

My ROMs are made close to Stock as possible but fully tweaked for speed , performance and stability, so please do not expect any alterations or manila modding.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
this is good information you provided, but i think the best forum to post any observations is in htcpedia where the rom is made public.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] schiwa:
Lite weight ROM,

good speed, had couple of freeze while setup, after a HR everyting was smooth.

Shiv
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ClydeB1:
Hey buddy, looks like I created a monster. :D You sure get around and have become a Flashaholic in a very short period of time ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hj3029:
try it !ithink this Rom will better
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] etiennem:
Nice rom dutty, no problems here.

thxs for the good work.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] The Boss:
I agree with you. There is no need to make a tread with Dutty rom here anymore. Dutty have chosen to leave xda-developers and move on at HTCpedia. That is he's choice, so we most axcept it.

Just glad that he contiue to make rom's for Blackstone, but sad, that he left xda.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cupra TDI:
One mybe real stupid question:

When I am typing an SMS with more than 160 signs under the manila interface, will it sended as an MMS automaticly?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] The Boss:
No - it will send 2 sms.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cupra TDI:
How can I send a text with maybe 320 signs as an mms when I am replying on an incoming sms?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] j1978:
Hi

Can someone please tell me if Seven Push mail works on this rom?

Thanks in advance

Jay
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gfreek:
Sorry to say No!:(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] j1978:
Oh well.Thanks alot for the response you saved me a useless flash :).

Jay
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bacardi1863:
sry.. my fault. solved by myself. :-)

thx a lot - espacially to you dutty for your great work!!!

cheers,

bacardi
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] schiwa:
Hey Buddy,

Just now I saw your reply,

Yep I'm a regular visitor for this forum nowadays, as I pm'ed your i'm a core from you, you are my inspiration here.

Yep, I borrowed my wife's HD [booked her a HD2] I use this one for frequent flashing, may be my staff misses my evening meetings, i was busy flashing then, they should be greatful to you haha :)

Thanks for this great forum.

Bye Buddy

Shiv
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] schiwa:
Probably I should subscribe for mail notifications when ever i got a reply for my post, otherwise I'd have missed your replies.

Shiv
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davidlopez20:
one problem

Hi! well, the first: Congratulations for this ROM Dutty! It's increible!!

But now, I tell you two problems I have.

1.- In settings->options in the SMS MENU, I unmark the check of "Use Unicode when necessary" but this check always I enter is mark :( it's a problem, because one sms with 323 characters is send in 5 sms :o when really it must use 2 or 3 sms.

2.- I thought in send my sms of 323 characters by MMS but I don't know how I can send MMS :O

Anybody can help me?

Thanks a lot!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] andolfree:
in R5 version i can choose all city i want in meteo on manila... why not in R6 version??

some problem to add favourite contacts on manila tab...

in r5 i had a lot of problem with sms.. i don't receive all message from my friends

i'm with H3G italy

i try to flash again...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] savagemari:
Very good and speedy ROM. It does not have the autoconnect bug.

The only bug I have found is that when the Alarm sounds, the Reminder also sounds so you have 2 sounds in the same time. Maybe someone knows a registry fix, because I don't want to stop the Reminder sound.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] paul-ac:
The best ROMs are made by Dutty!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aavelyn:
Hi

I just flashed Duttys WM6.5 LEO R6.

The musicplayer of tf3d freezes in the middel of a track

anyone got an idea?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] alper1:
I use R6 and don't have this problem.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] andes83:
I used it for a couple of days but battery percentage played a lot of tricks 51 percent and gets stuck there for awhile then it suddenly drops to 1% :confused: Also when I leave it for 5-6 hours it turns off by itself back to PhamQuang's ROM' I guess....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] balaji.admin:
I've seen this hang issue in all manila 2.5 builds when music library is bigger in size. The size of my music library is 3GB. Waiting for an experienced answer to flash this version..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] schiwa:
Plz move to htcpedia

Guys,

As informed earlier, let's move to the htc pedia where dutty is posting his roms, you can find many possible solution there, since many of the dutty's users are there you might find it easy for your problems.

Just a suggestion.

Shiv
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mightbme:
Keeping the thread alive

With all due respect Shiv, I disagree. The internet is called that for a reason...it's a network. If people find this thread useful, I think they should have the option. That's not to say they shouldn't head over to the other site, in fact keeping threads like this open will also work in his favour because it lets people here who may not be aware of him, easily find him over there.

I am a member of the other site also, but if I can find a quick response here, I am happy to read it, before heading over for more info.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] degaussme:
Can someone explain how to get the in-call-recorder working in this R6 ROM?

It doesn't seems to work for me.

Anyone?

cheers..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Chris Cross:
I had a similar problem when using a certain letter in German. As soon as I typed that letter (letter ß), I could enter a max of 70 characters for one message (instead of the usual 160) and 134 for two messages (instead of the normal 306) and 201 for three messages (instead of the normal 459).

It turns out that if I disable the Manila messaging application and I use the WM sms app, I don't have that problem.

Read this post for more info on the unicode check mark. You have to disable it in Tom's Text Message application. But in any case, doing that still didn't fix my problem with the German letter. So, I use the WM messaging app instead. Maybe it will solve your problem too. To do that read this thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] take55:
hi, am i the only one having problems with the weather tab?

- the weather tab does not show though i checked the tab in the settings

- if i access weather via the homescreen, everytime i want to update data for my city a pop-up shows up about error in data connection. i also tried it having WIFI on, but no change.. :confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] schiwa:
Hi Sam,

I agree your point of view. I didn't mean everyone to leave, but Dutty has already moved to otherside, so I thought it would be easy for anyone to access where he is located.

Shiv
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] eyeofthetiger:
OK i flashed my first leo ROM(this one) and I have to say i am very dissapointed. The ROM is extreemly slow and crashes. I have discarded the ROM. The question I wanted to as was the purpose of the manila 2.5 ROMs. Do people actually find the Leo ROMS more useful then traditional WM 6.5 ROMS or have these been designed just to give peple a taster of whats to expect with the Leo(when it comes out).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Well first off it shouldn't crash all the time. I've used a lot of Leo roms and none have crashed. Secondly manila 2.5 roms will be slightly slower than manila 2.1 roms.

A lot of people actually like/prefer manila 2.5 over manila 2.1, its a matter of personal taste, same with Leo roms.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] GWADADA:
File Manila french
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] an0nymous89:
Hey, i installed this rom on my blackstone. great stuff. just one thing. after i installed this rom, my light scenor seems to stop working.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Chris Cross:
You can just change the language of Manila to whatever you want, by editing this registry entry (no need to install anything).

HKCU/MUI/curlang and change the value! English is 409

0401 Arabic ARA.MUI
0402 Bulgarian BG.MUI
041a Croatian HR.MUI
0405 Czech CS.MUI
0406 Danish da.MUI
0413 Dutch (Standard) NL.MUI
0425 Estonian ET.MUI
040b Finnish FI.MUI
040c French (Standard) FR.MUI
0407 German GER.MUI
0408 Greek EL.MUI
040d Hebrew HEB.MUI
040e Hungarian hu.MUI
0410 Italian IT.MUI
0411 Japanese JPN.MUI
0412 Korean KOR.MUI
0426 Latvian LV.MUI
0427 Lithuanian LT.MUI
0414 Norwegian no.MUI
0415 Polish pl.MUI
0416 Portuguese (Brazil) Br.MUI
0816 Portuguese (Standard) PT.MUI
0418 Romanian RO.MUI
0419 Russian RU.MUI
0804 Simplified Chinese CHS.MUI
0c0a Spanish (Modern Sort) ES.MUI
041b Slovak SK.MUI
0424 Slovenian SL.MUI
041d Swedish SV.MUI
041e Thai TH.MUI
0404 Traditional Chinese CHH.MUI
041f Turkish TR.MUI

After a soft-reset you'll have Manila in your own language.

Have you installed the latest version? R7

I would also recommend you post questions regarding Dutty's ROMs at the htcpedia page. It is more active than this thread and you'll have a better chance of getting a quicker response. For everything else, I use XDA.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xtineze:
How do i editing the registry entry?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Boraday:
HI '

I want nld versie? help?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Using your registry editor (should be in your apps list or /windows/regedit.exe) go to the registry HKCU/MUI/curlang and change the language value

As stated earlier English is 409. Other languages values are as follows:

0401 Arabic ARA.MUI

0402 Bulgarian BG.MUI

041a Croatian HR.MUI

0405 Czech CS.MUI

0406 Danish da.MUI

0413 Dutch (Standard) NL.MUI

0425 Estonian ET.MUI

040b Finnish FI.MUI

040c French (Standard) FR.MUI

0407 German GER.MUI

0408 Greek EL.MUI

040d Hebrew HEB.MUI

040e Hungarian hu.MUI

0410 Italian IT.MUI

0411 Japanese JPN.MUI

0412 Korean KOR.MUI

0426 Latvian LV.MUI

0427 Lithuanian LT.MUI

0414 Norwegian no.MUI

0415 Polish pl.MUI

0416 Portuguese (Brazil) Br.MUI

0816 Portuguese (Standard) PT.MUI

0418 Romanian RO.MUI

0419 Russian RU.MUI

0804 Simplified Chinese CHS.MUI

0c0a Spanish (Modern Sort) ES.MUI

041b Slovak SK.MUI

0424 Slovenian SL.MUI

041d Swedish SV.MUI

041e Thai TH.MUI

0404 Traditional Chinese CHH.MUI

041f Turkish TR.MUI

Once you have changed value soft-reset you'll have Manila in your own language.

Hope this helps
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tlazar4:
clock

i use r0 version but still, i cannot set the time to be shown in 24hour mode... in manillas settings it is grey so i cant change it... i dont know what to do :S
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] coltakias:
When i change Manila language using Reg Editor (to ELL 0408) all my pictures getting double!!!!In Albums!!!Why? How can i solve this?

Thanks for your time!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rado09:
hi guys i just got t-mobile mytouch 3g & im wondering if i can use it as modem for my laptop.

if i can can u tell me how plz ,, step by step
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] dial100:
Hellooooooooo,

Before someone gets angry with you please read the wiki etc.

Simple answer is yes you can if you.............

Now that if .. is big and go to Q/A forum of any Android sub forums here at XDA.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rado09:
can u tell why the people will get mad at me ?

by the way im new here ,, i didnt mean to bother anybody i just need answer by steps