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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] BBM-Lee:
Avoid 10% and less as best you can. Dead battery leads to .... Dead battery... To clarify: As said, LiPo batteries don't like to be dead. if you *completely* discharge a LiPo battery it can alter the life of the battery negatively

Personally I don't recharge my battery when it's above 85%, unless I expect to be without a charger for an extended period.

I Also tend to power down my phone when it's under 5% (you know, those warnings about low battery?) unless I expect to be able to recharge it very shortly, for two reasons:

1) I have *some* charge for emergency calls

2) Hurts battery to fully drain
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
To be *COMPLETELY* clear, it must be stated that Li-Ion (including LiPo) batteries don't like to be alive either. They don't like to be charged, discharged, used, or not used.

Li-Ion batteries slowly die (meaning lose capacity, not just lose charge) over time regardless of whether you use them or not. Using them gently (meaning never fully discharging them) makes them die faster than they would if you just left them sitting, and using them harshly (meaning fully discharging them) makes them die even faster.

Also, never store Li-Ion batteries fully discharged. A Li-Ion battery that is completely empty is dangerous (they tend to explode), so internal circuitry is usually built into them to kill them (as in hard kill, never again to be used) when they get dangerously low. You want to store them around 40% charged, if possible.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
I saw my last charge status do something today, and I should have taken a screen capture.. It said I'd used 1290820938123092 hours on the phone. Seriously, like millions of hours or something.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
I can't understand what is the problem with the driver.. I don't know how battery comunicates with Qualcom.. Maybe I2C. Maybe they have changed buffers size.. And something goes wrong after some time.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
Hmmm... after several days of "Not applicable" my battery information has returned (not that I used that information much personally, so it's not been a big issue for me).

The only thing I did differently on this recharge was something I used to do to recalibrate the battery reading on old Palm OS devices. I did a soft reset whilst the device was still plugged in and charging, then let it charge until the green LED appeared.

I'll see how long this lasts before 'not applicable' returns, but if anyone else is willing to try this and report whether they'd been successful, then feel free. :)

As always, your mileage may vary! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
I guess I spoke too soon! I went to sleep, sometime between then and waking up, the phone decided that it was 'not applicable' again. I can only assume that some application or process on the phone somehow caused the phone to become disorientated during the night!! :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
Problem is NOT about statistic informations.

I don't care about it. (Well.. They are useful)

BUT this is a symptom of a malfunctioning driver!

My fear is that driver says 100% BUT my battery has a 5% of charge, and so on..!

In this way we can damage battery permanently!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jmat46:
hello as I passed I saw that is set to 0 each time it updates the weather.:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
The OS is not responsible for the battery charge, that'd be a separate circuit and logic. First clue; it charges when powered off. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
AHAH Yeah, that's right.

Ok-ok you convinced me. So it's only a "cosmetic" problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Nice one eagle-eyes! I'll keep an eye on mine and see if it does the same. If that's the problem then you've saved me a lot of time trying to work out what the trigger is!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] hopper13:
I have never seen data on the info tab of my tilt 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Thanks to jmat46 I checked and it is updating the weather that removes the information from the battery page, giving "not applicable" and zero for all other fields.

I disabled the weather auto update then recharged. After the charge was complete I checked the battery information tab and it showed all the correct information. Then I updated the weather and checked the battery information again and it had all disappeared.

So that's the cause of the problem. I'll let HTC know on Monday but whether they'll consider important enough to fix is another thing.

Again, thanks to jmat46.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
There was _a_ROM_update_ for the Yahoo symbol.. I think that battery stats is much more important..

My fear is that it can not be solved without their help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Epsilion:
I think the weather thing is on the right track, but I also disabled the weather's auto-update feature and my battery information still showed null after disconnecting the phone from the charger for an hour or so.

It may reset when any application accesses the data network.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] newsflash40:
I've had similar problems with the battery status, with one addition.

When charging, the LED never goes to green (it did the first time I got it, but not after that) and the battery icon never changes to indicate a full charge. It shows the battery is at 100 percent but still charging (with the phone on).

Anyone else having this problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] enisoc:
Sorry to rain on your parade, but I have a minority report for you. Soon after the initial report of the weather thing, I awoke to find that I had battery stats. So I tried everything that I could to make them go away, including updating weather. The stats persisted. Of course, on this particular day they are gone again. So, if it IS correlated to weather updating, it is at least not perfect correlation.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
I checked out the weather updating theory as well. I charge my phone at night, so I checked it first thing this morning. The stats were there. Fully charged around 1:30AM with 4.5 hours of stand by time. I turned off the auto update for the weather yesterday, but checked my email and got on the internet. When I checked my stats again they were gone. The weather still hasn't been updated, so maybe it has something to do with any type of data access, for some of us.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Indeed, I should have known it wouldn't be as simple as that.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Here's another oddity. Was in the car yesterday, and just for kicks (the kids like to hear the phone talk) asked MSVC what the battery level was. It said, (exact quote): "The battery is critically low. The battery is at 100% and charging." All at once, just like that.

Funny thing is, the battery was around 80%, and definitely not charging.

Something is VERY wrong with how the phone and the battery communicate.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] hopper13:
Mind did the same thing today, the only difference was that my battery was at 70%. I tried again immediately and got a report sans warning/charging.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
I've turned off "HTC Sense" for a bit to try out the WM6.5 'Titanium' interface. So far after about 10 hours, the information screen has managed to retain the data. So it's looking like the culprit maybe something to do with HTC Sense, and going by previous posts, may have some relation to its weather updating or My Location functions?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cincy1020:
Sorry to say, I still have the stock AT&T ROM, and I have the same issue. I have only seen the :ast

FullCharge info a couple of times despite having fully charged MANY times. Usually when I check it is at not applicable.

Also, right now it shows Talk Time since last full charge as 1193045 hours 51 minutes! LOL :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] starscalling:
had the same exact experience with the tp1 - charge charge charge ITS BETTER
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
I tried this, turning off TF3D for about 24 hours. I never did see the last charge info show up. I have never actually seen valid information show up there.

I also did again have the MSVC give me completely wrong information. I continue to believe there's something seriously wrong with something related to the battery driver.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] msg928:
Same problem here. The LED only goes to green the very first time I got Tilt 2. Never green afterward.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
I've never had that particular problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
Just a thought, but have you tried charging the phone when it's completely switched off?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] interestingfellow:
Now, I may be ignant on the subject, but lipo batteries and the like, are not like nimh or nicad batteries. Nimh and Nicads, you just feed the cells current, and they recharge. Leave the current on too long, and they overcharge (and thusly discharge, and loose a little of their ability to maintain full capacity).

But Lipo batteries can explode, very easily in fact, if you just feed them unregulated voltage. that's why, to the best of my knowledge, each battery pack (that is an assembly of lipo cells designed for a device in particular) have a little circuit built in, that handles those measurements, and stops the battery from overcharging or over discharging, as well as decreases the chance of explosion from charge related influences, to a negligible statistical deviation.

But, like I said, I'm no expert.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] msg928:
Actually, I just realized what I claimed was false. The green light DOES turn on after charging in full. Though, that is some 10 - 15 minutes after the battery status shows 100%. Maybe that's due to the 10% increment in battery status?

Also, the battery information appears to work now. So I guess it only activates when it registers a full charge (i.e. showing green lights).

So, if you are having problem seeing green lights or battery information, I suggest you wait another 10 - 15 minutes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
That's good news! Yeah I think you're right about the 10% increments. :D

What some of us have been noticing though is that even when we get the full charge data, it gets wiped again after a few hours. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Indeed, the battery information will only appear AFTER you've charged to 100% and the light goes green. But as monomer888 has stated, we've noticed that the information disappears at some point after that.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DJ Palmis:
HTC Italy says that there are no problems and nobody has this problem.... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TheChozen:
aaargh, ignorant bas***** :cool:

..unless no one has reported this bug

Anyway, same problem here - no matter how I charge
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Hi,

I reported it to HTC in the UK a couple of weeks ago and they've logged it as a problem. They passed it to another department who are working on it. I gave them all the instructions to recreate the fault and they have accepted that it exists. I called again last week to see what was happening and they said it was still logged as an issue and was being worked on.

At least they've recorded it as a problem and said it is being looked at. I call them again next week to see if they've got anywhere. I think if they didn't consider it a problem they would have told me at the beginning so I'm hopeful.

Fingers crossed!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Hi,

I reported it to HTC in the UK a couple of weeks ago and they've logged it as a problem. They passed it to another department who are working on it. I gave them all the instructions to recreate the fault and they have accepted that it exists. I called again last week to see what was happening and they said it was still logged as an issue and was being worked on.

At least they've recorded it as a problem and said it is being looked at. I will call them again next week to see if they've got anywhere. I think if they didn't consider it a problem they would have told me at the beginning so I'm hopeful.

Fingers crossed!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] User22:
HTC Spain also are dumb silly ignorants. :mad:

I reported also the Battery charge status and the External GPS not saving the hardware settings...

...But they are BLINDS
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] msg928:
I do get this problem too. The battery information was shown for a couple hours, but got wiped after a few hours.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
After my little experiment with a stint with the Titanium interface, I think I've worked it out with the help of this thread... well at least on my TP2. :)

I've been running "HTC Sense" again on the official WM6.5 ROM (WWE version) and have turned off "My Location" services by doing the following:

1) In Settings Tab > Location > Switch OFF "Improve location service by collecting location data at any time when the device is in use"

2) Also tick the box "Automatically decline location service in all HTC software that attempts to use location". Then press Done.

3) In the Weather Tab, you don't really have to do anything. I've just ignored the "My location" slot, and manually added where I am.

4) In the Home Tab, press the clock and add your own city manually and set that instead of the "My location" option.

I've been running this now for a couple of days and the battery Information tab hasn't misbehaved yet. I've updated my weather a number of times too (just without the My Location service active).

My (unproven) theory is that it's the My Location time settings that mess up the data on the Information tab, since they depend on the clock to display the correct number of hours, minutes etc. My assumption would be that when "My Location" resyncs the clock to your current location (even though you might not have gone anywhere different) this confuses the calculations for the Information tab.

Anyone care to try to recreate this and test the theory? Plus, it'd be really nice to get a definitive answer from HTC about this!

P.S. For anyone not getting any data at all even after a full charge, you might try using the Palm reset "trick" which worked for me:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4787850&postcount=38
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
@ Monomer888

I have tried your experiment and updated the weather a few times and it works i.e. I still have the battery information intact although my location still updates to my present location in the weather tab.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
Its been about 2 hours since I made the changes suggested by Monomer and I have continuosly updated the weather, connected to the internet for email and share prices and my battery info is still there. This wasnt the case before I made the changes as I always lost the battery info once I connected to the internet.

I think you have definitely cracked this one mate. well done! There are just too many smart people on XDA-developers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
What about us Tilt 2 owners that don't have "Location" under the Settings tab?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Nice one!

I'll tell HTC. Unsurprisingly I haven't heard anything back from them yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
I'm unable to answer that one! :( Unfortunately I don't own a Tilt 2, so I can only suggest that you run a few experiments for yourself and see if you can isolate the issue on your device. If it was me, I'd start with clock-related functions first.

Thanks! I see from your post that you edited out something that was too rude... it's made me curious now! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bobwesterman:
Is this thread dead, has it moved.

Is this thread dead? Is the discussion taking place elsewhere? has anyone resolved this? I have the same problem with the Tilt 2 of course, and the only location based setting I know of in there is one that changes clock according to Time Zone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
I haven't a clue!

As a suggestion you might try this on your Tilt2:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5175140&postcount=3

I have no idea whether it would help though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ianpugh:
Hi,

I reported this fault to HTC in the UK and after calling them numerous times was told that it was being looked at by the developers. The particular muppet I was dealing with claimed his name was Mike. He promised to keep an eye on it and assured it would be fixed and they would get back to me. Yet another example of HTC's absolutely bollocks customer service. I really couldn't be bothered to keep chasing them and will just get a non-HTC device next time I upgrade. They obviously don't give a f*ck about customers once they've sold the handset.

Another reason for the fault is the weather tab. If you have the weather set to My Location it will check periodically and at this time it will wipe the battery information. Try it.

1) Make sure you have the weather set to a city but NOT My Location.

2) Charge the battery and check that the information is there.

3) Update the weather.

4) Check battery information and it will still be there.

5) Change weather tab to My Location.

6) Update weather.

7) Check battery information and it will have disappeared.

I gave all this information to HTC and I cannot believe their developers couldn't have found a solution. I think it's just a case of them thinking it wasn't worth dealing with. Bit of a shame to make a device with software glitches then fail to address them. Apple wouldn't do that with the iPhone - they seem quite good at fixing problems. Which is probably another reason why people are going to keep choosing the iPhone over WindowsPhone.

So just ignore the problem and don't buy HTC in future.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mmiller7:
That information is obsolete. Back in the days of Nickel-Cadnium and somewhat with Nickel-Metal batteries it was very important but Lithium-Ion and Lithium-Polymer (what every laptop, cellphone, mp3 player, etc uses today) can not be "over-charged". They have specialized charging controllers to prevent this -- if they didn't the batteries would blow up until they exploded. So unless you really, really, really abuse the battery or device it's very hard to damage them by over/under charging.

Likewise, LiOn/LiPoly batteries can't be run flat -- the devices will shut down before it can damage anything. And they don't get "memory" so there's no reason to run them down before charging; in fact it's best to keep topping them off frequently.

-

Oh, and I too am having the "N/A" on my 2 day old Verizon TP2. It worked the first couple hours the first day, then stopped.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mmiller7:
Ok, I think I solved it with the help of a lot of confusing/conflicting answers in this thread!

I have a Verizon Wireless HTC Touch Pro2 running Verizon-installed Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional. This may or may not matter.

The problem appears to be related to the "My Location" -- specifically for the CLOCK. I'm

still using weather updates

for "My Location" but clock is set to a fixed city.

Steps to resolve:

1. go to the home tab and open world clocks

2. select (or add) a clock for your nearest city

3. apply the settings

4. charge battery fully (until 100% and green indicator)

5. WHILE PLUGGED IN AND FULLY CHARGED, soft-reset (this seems to be important) and keep it plugged in until it finishes resetting.

6. verify the info page shows the current date and unplug the phone

That's the only way I could get mine to start working agian.

Steps to recreate the problem:

1. change clock to "My Location"

2. update weather (or something so it refreshes the time zone)

3. battery goes back to N/A

I am not affiliated in any way with HTC but I have a theory -- the problem is the battery monitor seems to depend on the local clock, and seems to gets confused when the local timezone city keeps changing. I guess it doesn't know what to do, so it says not applicable. Once again, I'm not affiliated with HTC but as a college-student programmer I beleave this is a plausable explaination.

-Matt
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monomer888:
Yes thanks for sharing your solution. I came to a similar conclusion too. Unfortunately I think some of the conflicting information comes from the fact that our forum friends with Tilt2s on the US AT&T network have a version of Manila that doesn't come with 'My Location' but yet they suffer the issue of the disappearing battery information.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] geo2002:
I have flashed my Topaz with the new 2.53 stock rom and i realised that the

Last full charge information

is missing.Is there a addon or a program for wm 6.5.X that display's the battery life?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fri3dric3boi:
does anyone know how to fix it yet?

like whenever i charge it fully it would show the date and whatnot but whenevere the screen goes black and i go back to look at it it goes back to "not:applicable"
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jcterry:
For the Tilt2

I think I have figured out the Tilt2 fix. I followed mmiller7's steps.

But that didn't fix it. Within 24 hours, the last full charge would revert back to "Not Applicable". So I disabled the setting that lets the phone update the time when you change timezones (Start>Settings>Personal>Phone; go to the Time Zones tab and un-check the "Automatic change time zone and clock."). The data has stuck for 27.5 hrs now. I went back and applied the timezone adjustment and immediately I lost the data.

Right now I am doing a hard reset and will try it without mmiller7's steps to see if it is just the timezone setting or if it requires both.

Edit: 30 hrs now and still have the data showing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sad_but_true:
Battery Extended Status information

at me the same have a O2 Touch Pro 2 come with WIMO 6.1 there was all fine at the extended Stautus Information, after i Upgrade the Original 6.5 O2 Rom he same Problem like eveyone here

O2 Hotline say its a Bug but no Help the Bug is not Big enough to Fix for Htc or Microsoft , (Upgrade) i shall search in some Forum just here for help that was the Answer soo , live with it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] catcraig:
WOW!!! That did it. I followed all of mmiller7's steps and then followed jcterry's steps to disable the change timezones setting. Ever since I did this yesterday my Tilt2 has kept the Last Full Charge stats.

Thanks for the persistence guys. I can't believe someone finally figured this out.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] petrafan007:
Does anyone know of a good keyboard replacement for the *sprint* HTC Hero? Or a way to make it larger for my fat fingers?...I mean BIG BONED fingers?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] benlc:
Hello.

I think the best one for "big boned fingers" is Better Keyboard :

http://betterandroid.wordpress.com/2009/05/24/introducing-better-keyboard-for-android/

It looks ugly but the keys are pretty much larger
[Hero, G2 Touch General] michd43:
Have you tried the HTC T9(Compact Qwerty) keyboard?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] sphinxy:
I would recommend Touchpal. I used that back on WM and i have installed it on my Hero. However i have reverted back to stock keyboard after updating Paul's ROM to the latest one as it doesnt lag that often anymore.