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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
I have not seen the weather app that you are talking about, so I don't know which one it is. But I can tell you that Windows Mobile 6.5 has a weather widget on the home screen, and Touch Flo 3d does too. At least the Touch Flo 3d that shipped on my European Touch Pro 2 has a weather widget.

I run SPB Mobile Shell myself, and it has a weather widget too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
Are all of you waiting for the Tilt 2 just going to suck it up and pay their $30.00 required data plan ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] noggind614:
it shows the weather under the clock of the tf3d home screen

take a look here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=553506
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] menaknow:
Is there a radio on the Tilt 2?

Don't see it on the description...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
u haven't seen the htc imagio yet? well its not really an app its more of a widget... i understand what ur saying about 6.5 having a weather widget on the home screen but i just haven't seen it on the tilt 2 or pure yet... maybe its just under the settings tab?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
thank you for ur post. it seems that u have to modify it but using "cooked ROMs" or something? im trying to read as much as i can at this wonderful website because i will be dropping my iphone for the tilt 2. i will be giving up my jailbreaking and hacking on my iphone to come and join the wm fun of modifying :D. i have just been fed up wit the iphone on how it process things. it just seems more exciting to modify wm phones and seems u can do A WHOLE LOT MORE. i am looking forward to the community and hope to answer questions i will be asking. if its not too much trouble can someone point me in the right direction to where i can start from scratch and read about it? all ive heard are "cooked ROMs" and using "total commander" i believe that is what i will be using to customize the phone? i want to say thanks again for this wonderful community and hope i can help others as they will help me. :) :cool: :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
The way the requirements read, only users upgrading from a non-smartphone to a smartphone will be required to select the $30/month data plan. If you already had a smartphone and are upgrading to a smartphone you can keep whatever dataplan you currently have.

If it turns out different, well I may not be an AT&T subscriber much longer...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] noggind614:
@toawkanavngthded

this is what i think your looking for:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=550540
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
No such luck. If you are buying a new smartphone from ATT, you're going to get stuck with the new data package (unless somebody figures a clever way around it)

If you already had a smartphone, and DON'T get a new one, they aren't putting the new plan on your old phone .. that's the only consolation.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Not me. If I don't have a choice then I am going to Sprint or Verizon. The monthly plans are cheaper at Sprint, and the device itself is cheaper at Verizon. Both of them have better versions of the device than AT&T does too.

I'll give AT&T a chance because I really like the service, but if they take it for granted by making me wait a ridiculously long time for a device, then release the worst version of the device in the USA, charge the most for it, and then put a $30 data plan on my line on top of it all- I'll drop them without hesitation.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
thank you so much noggind614. i will do my best to read as much info as i can. seems more complicated :confused:. is there any other tuts u can direct me to? thanks again!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Yes, the stock version of Touch Flo 3d on the Touch Pro 2 has a weather widget.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Yes, there is an FM radio on the Tilt 2. It has it in the user's manual.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
i hope it will be like that on the at&t tilt 2! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
I can tell you my Touch Pro 2 came stock with a weather widget on the Touch Flo 3d...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
If by "radio" you mean FM radio, then yes, the manual talks about it, so it's pretty safe to assume it's there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
It's like that on every version of Touch Flo. Touch Flo has a weather widget. No need for you to worry.

And even if Touch Flo didn't have a weather widget, Windows Mobile 6.5 has it's own weather widget on the home screen.

I know what you are looking for, and the Tilt 2 does indeed have it. Don't worry about it.

You should watch a few videos on SPB Mobile Shell though. It's way better than Touch Flo. And yes, it has a weather widget too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
im sure urs did cuz u have the original tp2. im on at&t and usually at&t cripples the bloatware or w/e on the phone that some features may be lacking... all the pics ive seen on the tilt 2 the home screen doesn't show the weather widget. i just hope it is turned off when u first get it. other than that i will have to look on how to add the weather widget buy using custom ROMs correct? i am new to this community but looking forward on learning how to everything!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
after i posted my response u posted urs so dont mind it :D. just hope i can join the community and get used to all the different terminology and programs i have to go through. i had an iphone for almost 3 years and i was hacking/jailbreaking it and i wanna go to wm :D. tired of how everyone and their moms have an iphone....

EDIT: do i need to have a pc to do all this cooked ROMs thing? i have a mac...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sakshaug007:
Yep! that's my plan and for the following reasons, as some might agree:

1) I'm in the midst of a two year contract with AT&T, so cancelling is not an option.

2) I've been waiting for the AT&T version of the touch pro2 since the phone was announced back at MWC 2009, because of the all important 3G.

3) I've downgraded my comcast cable package in order to make up for the $30 a month charge.

4) I plan on using this phone for internet surfing pretty much whenever/wherever I'm bored.

and finally...

5) I'm going to pay the $5/month for insurance, as this is a valuable piece of hardware.

But that's just me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Well as you are about to find out, Windows Mobile devices do everything a jailbroken iPhone can do- right out of the box with no hacking.

So even if the Tilt 2 didn't have a weather widget (which it does) you could easily install another user interface that had whatever you wanted.

I keep saying Mobile Shell. Check it out when you get a chance. There are a ton of videos on youtube of Mobile Shell 3.5 in action. If you see how they easily configure it, it will probably put your mind at ease.

Putting cooked ROMs on these devices is a lot of fun. But it is not required, by any means. Windows Mobile is totally configurable out of the box. It's a lot different from the iPhone in that regard.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
I'm still torn. I would be money ahead to get on on ebay or something and keep my $15.00 a month media net, but I'm leery of buying stuff like this on ebay.

$15 extra per month x 12 months = $180 per year extra over what I'm paying right now.

That's a pretty big chunk, and if you consider a 2 year life cycle for the device (that's about what I'm on for my Tilt 1) that's $360.00 extra over what I'm paying now.

$300 for subsidized phone + $360 over two years is $660.00 bucks paid for the upgrade to Tilt 2, vs $500 or so to pick it up on ebay and keep media net.

Those are the options I'm mulling over :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
This is all I remember reading:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009...smartphone-data-plans-starting-september-6th/

"Beginning September 6, 2009, customers who activate or upgrade to a Smartphone will need to sign up for an appropriate data plan. Existing Smartphone customers active prior to September 6, 2009 will be grandfathered and exempt from the new policy."
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonto:
I stopped by my local AT&T store this evening and they insisted they are receiving the Tilt2 on the 8th and they will go on sale on the 18th in ALL stores. Hope they are wrong!

Jim
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
I'm not torn at all. I am buying mine full retail. The only question about it is all the people posting that AT&T will automatically force the $30 media plan when they detect the IMEI- even if you paid full retail.

For that reason I am thinking about going to Sprint. I can sign a contract there, and with the money I save by them subsidizing the device, I can then pay my ETF on AT&T.

I don't want to leave AT&T, but there is no way I am paying that $30 per month data on the 4 lines on my family plan. We don't use anywhere near enough data to justify that.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] toawkanavngthded:
yea i was browsing around the website and ive seen some tp2 on t-mob that look like the leo! i was very impressed! i will check out mobile shell. it seems as though it is alot easier than an iphone and bricking a wm phone is harder than an iphone it seems... thank you for info and i will continue to read upon everything and check out mobile shell.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Everything I am reading about that says that the existing smartphone customers being grandfathered just means they will not have a data plan added on their current smartphone. If they get a new smartphone (which is what AT&T means by "upgrade") the $30 data plan will automatically be added.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
If you buy a Tilt 2, you won't be an existing smartphone customer anymore, you'll be a new smartphone customer.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
I'm getting the impression that if you buy the phone from ATT, you're going to get moved to the $30 data plan, retail or subsidized doesn't matter. That's what the rep told me today.

The only way around that policy that I can see is to buy the phone elsewhere (ebay, etc)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AvengerBB:
I agree with your point that if you want to type a number, use the touch screen, so why are you saying that you should not have to use a FN key to type a number on the keyboard?

I like how AT&T has done it. I use the puncuation characters so much more and like that I don't have to use shift or FN to get to them.

Also, what's with all the negativity about AT&T coming out with the phone a month or so behind others when they have it with WM6.5 right out of the box? Wouldn't everyone be screaming about how long it's going to take AT&T to release a WM6.5 update if they had released it with WM6.1?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
I don't think ebay or anywhere else will sove the problem though. because the only device that HTC has made to this point with AT&T 3G bands is the AT&T branded Tilt 2.

So if you buy it from ebay, and it is an AT&T branded Tilt 2, AT&T's system will pick it up anyway, so you might as well have bought it from an AT&T store.

I'll give it a shot, but it's looking more and more like I might be headed to Sprint.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Of course not. If AT&T had released the device back when everyone else did, we would all have WM 6.5 right now- just like everyone else. I am not seeing any complaints about a late 6.5 upgrade form anyone else on other carriers, so why would AT&T customers be compalining about it?

We just want the freaking device already. AT&T has made us wait a ridiculously long time for it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
Well that sucks, I wanted to keep my $20 MediaNet.

Its not like AT&T (and the other carriers for that) isn't raping us already for the service they provide.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AvengerBB:
Are the upgrades available on the other carriers?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
No, but nobody is complaining about it. And the people who want WM 6.5 right now all know where to get it (here at xda).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I was afraid of this...this morning I saw a tweet from pocketnow.com's twitter account, saying something like "it's confirmed, AT&T Tilt 2 to be released on October 18th." :(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
My birthday is on the 12th, why does AT&T keep toying with me and trying to ruin my birthday :mad:

Could be worse I suppose, but I really hope it is sooner than the 18th.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
So if AT&T releases it on the 18th, that would make it official: AT&T got smoked this go round. Every major carrier in the USA released it way before AT&T, and even a Canadian carrier had it way before AT&T. The closest of their competitors to them in terms of release date (Verizon) beat them by over a month, had a better device (3.5mm jack, GSM and CDMA), and sold it for significantly cheaper.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alwayslearning:
I called my ATT store and they said the release date is Oct 8th, but that does not mean every store will have them in stock, my store has not received shipment, they think they will get them today for a tomorrow sale. They told me to just come to the store on Thur to see if they are in.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bersca:
Pocketnow.com is saying this as of 8:35 this am:

The HTC Tilt™ 2 will be stocked in the AT&T warehouse starting on October 8th, 2009. AT&T COR channel will merchandise and start selling the HTC Tilt™ 2 on October 18th, 2009. Other channels will begin selling the HTC Tilt™ 2 beginning October 8th onwards since the HTC FUZE is sold out and there is pent up demand in B2B.

Anyone know exactly what that means? I guess some stores will start selling it tomorrow if the Fuze is out of stock, others will wait until the 18th. Can it be ordered online as of tomorrow? Suppose I will be calling my local at&t to find out if they have the FUZE this morning. Man this sucks if I have to wait an extra 10 days.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
Do you guys think that some stores may be selling them tonight!? Start the calls fellas! I remember some stores did for the Fuze last year.

One in NY queens, union turnpike, queens village.

Please report back guys!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bersca:
I did get my Fuze the night before it was supposed to go on sale. I'll be hoping for the same luck tonight. As of now, I am told my local store does not have any stock yet. They are also sold out of the FUZE so I hope that is a good sign.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drpal181:
I would hint that att store will be authorized to start selling tilt 2 on the 8th. The stores i talk to will be reviving their units on the 8 in the mail. Some stores i talk too would not be able to sell the tilt depending on thier deliveries, on the 8th. Some stores will not get thier shipment until the 9th. If the stores sell out, it maybe unitl the18th before they can restock since they may not have any at the warehouse. Some store might be ordering only two to three units. and sales reps have first dibs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dug_bondo:
what I know

My business care rep in the midwest says the release date is tomorrow 10/8 and will be delivered to me by 10/10. He didn't say much about the store availability but the warehouses and internet site will be taking direct ship orders.

I think store availability will be in direct relation to the # of fuzes left to sell and availability from the warehouse/ ship schedule.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
I just called around to a few places in the St Paul/Minneapolis area. Had one rep say launch day was tomorrow, but didn't have any stock yet. Was expecting to get some in today though he wasn't sure. All the other reps weren't sure about launch or when they'd get stock in.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thedon0369:
The rep I just spoke with told me to call back after 3 pm central to see if they received their shipment today. I got the impression they were expecting to have stock for a launch tomorrow. Maybe if my game is tight I can get them to sell it to me tonight.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] SoapDoctor:
Just had a similar phone call. She took my number and said as soon as the truck comes in this afternoon she'll give me a call and I can come pick it up. Didn't get the impression she cared if release isn't until tomorrow.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] redsrule2500:
How long until I can get one of these for ~500 without a contract on eBay or somewhere similar????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ZzFDKzZ:
I bought mine last night on the Pre-Launch website for $350.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
I got the same response from att by me. Nice so we may be having these devices tonight

After calling around, in the same area..just got shut down by one store that got the shipment minus the TILT2. Sucks , he told me to call back friday when they should have it they said.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ZzFDKzZ:
I bought mine through the Pre-Launch Business website last night. I just got this message a couple of mins ago...

"Thank you for your recent purchase on the AT&T Premier Online Store. We are pleased that you chose AT&T as your wireless service provider.

Unfortunately, items in your order are out of stock and are backordered. We will ship them as soon as they are available, and notify you of the shipment by email. We will ship multiple backordered items when all items are in stock."
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dbaser:
I had the same thing happen to me for the Fuze last year. Walked into Corp store a few days before launch and got one and the Premier one came almost 2 weeks later... Go figure.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ZzFDKzZ:
I bought the Fuze last year too through Premier and got it 2 days later.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] iceman4357:
please tell me it was not at the $800 price?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
That would imply ATT is going to do IMEA scanning, and I don't believe they will. My opinion is that they will just try to suck everybody on data that they can @ purchase time and continue like they have been.

So, 2 options (as I see it) to avoid the mandatory data :

1 ) ebay and sim swap

2 ) buy from ATT, wait a couple weeks and cancel data (if you truly don't want data)

2 a ) buy from ATT on your wife's data-less number, let them put data on it for a couple weeks , then call and cancel data on that line, move Tilt 2 to your number that has Media Net on it.

Right now, I'm leaning toward option 2a for myself.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drpal181:
You can avoid the data plan by paying full price for the tilt. it might be around 550, give or take.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Rickster08:
LOOKS alot like the Touchpro 2 to me...but a little nicer...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ZzFDKzZ:
No it was $350.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thedon0369:
After calling about 6 different stores the consensus that I have gathered is that stores can place orders tomorrow, but won't actually have the phones tomorrow. I hope others are having better luck than I've had. Only a few more days, I guess I can wait. :)

PS.

The store I called this morning said that they will be launching the 11th.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ScubaSteve20001:
Does anyone know if we will be able to at least order it online tomorrow.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sniczz:
Call first, don't waste your time going to the store

enilkciw, I think their launch date means it will be available for order via their website. That was the case for Verizon and Sprint. Even almost a couple of weeks after Sprint's and Verizon's launch, neither (in the NY area anyway) has any in the stores (only a cheesy non-functional demo). I know about Sprint's situation because one of my friends likes to see the physical phone before buying it and is impatiently waiting!

Either way, don't waste your time like I did and go to the store on the "release date". If you order it on the website or customer service they usually get it to you within 2 business days. Good luck!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Well AT&T already scans the phones IMEI. That is why the Online Account Manager shows a picture of your phone. If you put your SIM in a different phone, that picture will change to the new phone (or a generic flip phone if you are using a phone that is not AT&T branded).

So, the only question is, will AT&T start to act on this information that they already collect. They are claiming they will, but it remains to be seen.

I tend to lean towards the "They went through all the trouble to issue a press release, put in bill inserts, etc, and all of the reps seem to be saying this is how it will be, so chances are they aren't bluffing." I hope I'm wrong, but we'll see...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mojohio:
Just called my AT&T store in Peoria, IL and they said they received a couple "demo" Tilt 2's and two for inventory. I will be stopping in tomorrow 1st thing in the morning. By the way, I asked her what the non-contract price was, and she said, "$350". Which, i thought was a pretty good deal, since I'm getting it for a few months, until the HD2 becomes available, then my wife will have a nice little hand-me-down. Or, if the HD2 comes to another carrier, I will be putting this up on eBay, while I jump AT&T's ship for whoever is releasing the HD2 first.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bennyj71:
350? That doesn't sound right. Hope she's right, then the contract price would be 199.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mojohio:
I thought the same thing. After hanging up with her, I thought, "Did she think I said 2-year contract price, or non-contract price?". I was expecting her to say $499.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
I am sure that is wrong. Maybe she was talking about the Pure?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Jola66:
Question about ordering. ATT is confusing me a bit with how they are handling this. I do not have a Premier account, and cant get one. So does that mean I basically have no shot at getting this phone until the 18th? Is ATT basically saying that tomorrow is for business (Premie) customers and the 18th is for everyone else?

A little annoying. I know it is only 10 more days to wait but still. I wish theyd just release the phone out to everyone. First come, first serve. If its is ready, let everyone have a shot at getting it right away. Just my opinion.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bennyj71:
I have a Premier Account and I'm just as confused. I called the Business Rep today and she it will be in ATT warehouse tomorrow and in stores on the 18th. She was reading the memo. It also said it would available through other channels after the 8th. "Other Channels"? Just say whether or not you can buy it online on the 8th! This is just ridiculous.