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[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
Simply Everything might be $189 for 2 lines. I don't know to be honest, T-Mobile may have got it right. But what I was saying is you don't need Simply Everything on Sprint. Everything Data includes unlimited calls to and from all cell phones on any carrier, so your minutes only count on landline calls. And their nights and weekends start at 7:00, so the meter is only running on landline calls before 7:00 on weekdays.

Also, in the T-Mobile comparison charts, they are comparing the Sprint Simply Everything plans (the most expensive Sprint has) to the T-Mobile plans that don't include texts and data. It's not really fair to compare a T-Mobile voice only plan to a Sprint plan that includes unlimited text, unlimited data, unlimited navigation, unlimited Sprint tv, etc.

So I don't know about the Sprint Simply Everything plan pricing. It may very well be the $189 for 2 lines that T-Mobile said it is. But I was saying now that Sprint is including Any Mobile, Anytime in their plans (which means any calls to and from any cell phone on any carrier are free) nobody who uses their device for personal use needs a Simply Everything plan anymore. The plan may not technically be "unlimited minutes" but it is unlimited as far as the average consumer is concerned. because nobody is going to use 1600 minutes only on landline calls before 7:00 on weekdays. And if you need more, you can get a 3200 minute plan, and even get your nights and weekends at 6:00 (and I think even 5:00) instead of the 7:00 that the standard plan includes. And there is no way anyone using the device for personal reasons would use 3200 minutes only to landlines before 6:00 on weekdays.

The Simply Everything plans became obsolete for personal users on the day Sprint announced the Any Mobile Anytime being included in the Everything Data plans. so if T-Mobile is gunning for the Simply Everything plans, they are shooting at the wrong target.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
I see I see. But just to clear one thing up.... Sprint Tv should be considered data as should anything that requirs data. GPS is all satalite. I have GPs working on my phone and T-mobile doesn't require (have) a seperate thing for GPS. Granted they don't have Navi software. But that is fixable for free. So really it's not a separate free but a service you don't have to pay for with an unlimited data plan. I thought that they just rolled the simply everything plan to include the any mobile anytime plan. Guess that's a whole nother plan.

The pricings I picked up from T-mo at the mall today seem a little different than those I posted yesterday. I'll see if I can't scan them in. I' going to see if they'll let me switch plans to the $60 unlimited everything without haveing to buy a new phone since I'm a long term customer (9+yrs). Would be nice to have unlimited everything. If not I'll fork over the $5 more a month for unlimited txts. I mysteriously went 500 msgs over an am stuck paying $100 in ovrages cause of that. Gotta call customer service though cause there is no way I did 2000 messages.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
The Simply Everything plan on Sprint has unlimited minutes, so you wouldn't need Any mobile anytime...

On the Sprint plans- Sprint TV is a service that gives you various channels streamed over their data network. So yes, you need data to do it, but not just anyone with data can do it. It's like mobitv (in fact, I think mobitv might be the ones actually providing it and just branding it as Sprint TV).

On the GPS- Sprint doesn't require a plan or extra fee or anything to use the GPS either. You can install Tom Tom or whatever and it will work just fine. But Sprint also has their own GPS service (I think it's provided by Telenav). So you don't need to install Tom Tom or whatever. I'll still use Tom Tom though because I like it and I'm used to it.

See the Sprint Navigation Service here:

http://www.nextel.com/en/services/gps/sprint_navigation.shtml

Sprint TV service here (the TV Premier is the one included in the everything data plan):

http://www.nextel.com/en/services/power_vision/sprint_tv.shtml

This video review shows the Sprint Navigation and Sprint TV in action on the Touch Pro 2 (go to about 6:15 and it shows the sprint Navigation, followed by Sprint TV):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKXTde1o3y4

as you can see, Sprint TV is not better than my Slinbox connected to my Directv with all the channels. However, if my home internet connection is down or something, Sprint TV is better than nothing if I am stuck waiting atthe DMV or something. I would probably never sign up for it, but as a freebie thrown in I'll certainly take it.

Same with Sprint Navigation. If my Tom Tom is not working for some reason, or it can't find an address, or something, then I'll probably try the Sprint Navigation. I'd never sign up for it, but as a freebie thrown in, I'll take it.

There are other freebies thrown in too (Music Premier, NFL Mobile, Nascar Mobile). I would pay for any of them, but as freebies, it's cool.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
one way out

What I have found is that AT&T uses the SIM CARD and the IMEI number of the phone. All AT&T phones IMEI numbers are in thier system... If you get an unbranded phone or get a tmobile version and unlock and put on AT&T then you get the cheaper data plan and they don't know and vice versa with TMOBILE.. Granted if you use a Tmoble model on AT&T the 3G may or may not work depending on if it has the frequencey on it.

Just my 2cents
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Icuvist:
What happens if I get a Rogers smartphone, unlock it, use it on AT&T....will it be detected and result in me being forced to get AT&T $30 Data Plan? AT&T and Rogers use the same 3G frequencies I believe.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
No Way

the system will not detect your phone as an AT&T becuase its from rogers... just don't tell them the type of phone. it will work.. I have been doing this since the old days of the tmobiel mda.. the only downside is that you don't get 3G if the phone does not have the 3G frequency that the carrier usess.. Pisses me off why don't we just open up both frequency bands in the us for both carries.. why do they separate
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Free Man:
So you are saying that if I get a AT&T branded phone that has been unlocked and never used on their system, that it would then be recognized and I would somehow have to pay the higher data price?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
AT & T

If the phone is branded AT&T or sold by AT&T all its IMEI number will be in the database for AT&T so that is how it shows up so quick when u log into your accont and see the picutre of your phone.. If you used the HTC Touch Pro 2 branded by Tmobile ... on AT&T the network sees it as just another phone.. so it won't automatially charge the $30 plan.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
OKAY

If the phone is branded AT&T and unlocked the system will still see it as an AT&T smartphone and you will be charged. YOu have to get a phone that is unbranded and unlocked one that has no ties to AT&t in order to use the cheaper data plan.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Free Man:
Okay, I understand what you guys are saying...So how do they switch your plan if I simply pop in my sim to the branded, but unlocked Pure?

I am not going in to the store, etc...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
System

The system will know that its and AT&T branded phone when you pop the sim card in.. the cell phone sends the IMEI and sim card numbers to the cell towers to validate your account.... it realy looks for the sim card number but if it recognized it is an AT&T smartphone the system will change your plan.. try it and watch within 10 minutes log into your acount and the change will be there... been down this road twice
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
This is wrong. The carrier can tell what phone you have even if it's not their phone. Let me use a recent example.

I went $100 over in txt messages so I went to see what it would take to switch to T-Mo new plan since I'm out of contract. I got the 500 whenever+Free T-Mo to T-Mo+unlimited txt for $39.99 and added the unlimited $10 data plan. While at the store there was some problem back-dating the new plan to start this month.

To shorten the story.....We called Customer service and they saw through the IMEI that I was using a HTC TD2 and the lady wanted to make me pay the $25 data plan when my new plan starts. So I told them I didn't want data then. THEY KNOW WHAT PHONE YOU HAVE. The lady at the store said that when my new plan takes effect next billing cycle to go back and she'll add the $10 internet for me OR as I told her thanks, but I'll fix it online.

AGAIN THEY KNOW WHAT PHONE YOU HAVE NO MATTER IF IT IS FROM

YOUR CARRIER

or

ANOTHER CARRIER

or

UNLOCKED

.

Sorry for the yelling. Just don't call CS to change your data plan, change it yourself online or @ the store. (With a cool sales rep)

Or as an alternative ask a freind or family member to borrow a "basic" phone (non-smartphone) they use and pop your sim in. Call AT&T or if your carrier is T-Mo and tell them you want to add data on your cheap sorry phone. Then they will activate the Cheap internet for you. Viola. Later that day pop your SIM back into your smarthpone and enjoy. (Don't forget to make sure you have the right settings)

If you don't have a cheap basic phone at your disposal go out to Target, K-mart, Wallymart (Wall-mart), 7-11, or anywhere they sell the pre-paid phones and pic yourself up a $19 -$50 phone and pop your SIM in that. Best part about this method is that if you get a good expensive pre-paid phone you'll have a nice back-up phone incase you ever; Lose, Brick, Sit on, Disasemble and fry, Throw, Deep Fry, Skydive with and it falls out of your pocket, Run Over, Lose in a sewer while jogging, or any other misshape you can think of. :D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] TheChemist187:
Sucks, I have a FUZE and will be getting a PURE from my girlfriends upgrade. What if we flash our Pures with a custom ROM, or change the IMEI Number to mess with the people from att.

@ HTC THOUCH FREAK;

Hmm, what settings is you talking about? I currently have a HTC Fuze and have the 10 dollar unlimited data plan since we have family messaging. I popped my sim into a LG SHINE called att and they added this 10 dollar plan. Then I put my sim back on my FUZE and have all the web I want. Do I have to do any special things to my FUZE? Have been doing this for 9 Months.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
I'm talking about the data connection settings. You shouldnt have to put them in manually at all but sometimes you have to. For phones that you buy from your own carrier the settings are already there or should be. For unlocked phones u sometimes habe to input them by yourself. with the auto setup though the phone will find the settings from your sim card. For me though I have to go back and manually change my mms settings to work but data is always right after flashing new roms.

As far as changing a devices IMEI. I'm sure its possible but i dont know how and dont think you can from a rom change. Next fime I flash my phone Ill check to see if it changes and see if it matches the IMEI # under the battery.

Sorry for spelling. typed quickly off my TD2!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
Beg to differ

Well when I put my AT&T SIM into the Unlocked TMobile G1... I added the $10 family plan unlimted web option from AT&T... I had no issues....... just for kicks i called AT&T and gave them my IMEI number..... they didn't know what type of phone it was.. They said that they had my account attached to an old NOKIA ... after I gave the IMEI number they still didnt' know and asked me to tell them the type of phone.. So if they do know maybe they are playing dumb... NOT....... on another note my frined is a Telephone CS for AT&T and tells me when they look in the system if its not one of their (AT&T) phones... it shows up in the system as an "unsuportted phone" strange thing is if you move to TMOBILE with an unlocked HTC Pure...... it shows up in TMOBILE's system as an "unsupported phone" so I guess what I'm saying is..... It depends on who you ask...... My friend that works for AT&T has worked for them for about 5 years now so I'd take his word over anyone on this forum... besides he gets me good discounts on phones....... In any event believe who you want and what you want...... THOSE THAT KNOW.......... Just know... those who don't just give mis information..........
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Icuvist:
I cant believe that you're able to do that! The Fuze is a ATT branded phone? Ive been using my Nokia E71-2 with the cheap data plan, but afraid to use the Pure I bought off of someone cause I'm thinking ATT will detect it and voila! here come the $30 per month data charges!!

Also, BTW; I thought IMEI numbers are unchangeable/untouchable.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
So please tell me how 2yrs ago customer service new that I was using a HTC Touch and a few days ago they now I have the TD2 and the lady wanted to add the $25 unlimited plan to my upcoming plan changes? Even if it says unsuportted phone does the necassrily mean they don't know what Brand or Model of unsupported phone you have?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] BereanPK:
Here's what I know... (hopefully I haven't answered in this thread already %-)

I've been with AT&T since they were Cingular, and have a discount plan through the hospital I work in. In our market (Pittsburgh PA area) they call the plan "PDA Connect" - so anyone with any PDA-type phone (supposedly including the GAG-ME-WITH-A-SPOON iPhones) are required to carry an unlimited U/D data plan that normally costs $30/month/phone.

Knowing how AT&T is, I don't really think it much matters what SIM you put in your phone, how you set it up, ad nauseum ad infinitum... they still can detect that you're using their network for data transmission/reception and charge you for it.

However, I also have friends who've somehow been able to fly under the big world-symbol radar with old MEdiaNet plans with an HTC Fuze and get unlimited HSDPA-speed (is there such a thing on the AT&T network?) data... maybe it's just a matter of who ya know @ AT&T... hmmm... some candy, flowers, nice dinner & a movie, take the AT&T rep home for some nookie... maybe she'll slide you HER discount... ya never know...

Seriously though, I do wish they'd level the playing field, cuz $30.00 for unlimited data on a phone I need my bifocals on to see effectively is a bit much... cryin' out loud, I don't pay that much on my cable bill for Internet at what is surely 10x the speed of the AT&T network on its best day... go figure.

~ BereanPK
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Free Man:
I have been with AT&T for more than 6 years and have always had Windows Mobile based phones, all but one touch screen and all using the same $15 unlimited data base plan. I continue to simply switch the SIM card out and get new phones and have never had anything automatically changed, ever. All my phones have been unbranded and unlocked to date and AT&T has never figured out any new phone models in their system since the very first phone I bought that was branded (to setup the initial account with them) so they still think I have that old phone from a time long, long ago in their system.

What I can't speak for is if it would make any difference if I were to pickup, say an unlocked HTC Pure from a third party and then pop in my SIM...Since this model of phone is an AT&T branded phone, would they detect this and force a $30 data plan, I don't know. The fact that it is unlocked would perhaps make a difference, who knows.

Now, like others here, I wonder if I can buy and use a Pure without any problems. So who has actually bought a Pure from a third party and put their SIM card in without any issues or forced data plan changes? I do understand that technically, if you buy the Pure from AT&T direct they are suppose to force you to the $30 plan, but that really depends on the sales person you use.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] BereanPK:
Yep - heard that what AT&T does & doesn't pay attention to...

Just yesterday I was chatting with an old friend whose spouse just recently retired from AT&T wireless after being many years /w Cingular. From our conversation, there are "cool" sales reps and customer service people who will make adjustments for you based on length of service, etc. etc. She knows of someone who is still on the same discount plan from an employer they haven't worked with in nearly 5 years. Same thing goes with data plans -- but it's spotty.

No doubt some people ARE truly getting what amounts to the PDA Connect plan for the price of the flip-phone MEdiaNet Unlimited by doing some crafty SIM-swapping &/or not visiting AT&T stores for new locked AT&T branded phones, this retired AT&T employee says that the company is trying to crack down, because they feel their network is draining a lot of bandwidth (anyone wanna contribute to the PITY party for AT&T? :p didn't think so).

Basically, if you can get away with it, fine. I think though, that eventually, AT&T will be trying to cram the higher price plan down the throats of WinMo enthusiasts. But again, I still believe it all depends on who you talk to, and how much of a stink you raise. I know there are folks in stores who will differ on how they code your account (for ex., I've gotten two different plan offers from 2 reps at the same store), and, those upcharges & activation fees etc. for upgrading to a new Pure can always be waived just by raising enough hell if need be via customer service. There's so much competition out there for your business, and in the end, some reps are better than others at doing whatever needs to be done to keep your business.

BTW, I have 2 Pures, and I'm paying what amounts to less than the regular price of 1, because of my length of service, discount plans, etc. And I am just unadventurous enough to have gotten my two locked, branded Pures @ the AT&T store.

~ BereanPK
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] alynch75:
OK Listen

$25 DATA PLAN WHERE did you find that... YOu must be talking about T-Mobile's network. I am speaking of the AT&T Network..... My wife currenlty is using a Sony XPREIA X1 which is unlocked,, unbranded and its a Windows Mobile Smartphone... she has had the $15 (now $10) unlimitted data plan for years with no issues. I have an HTC Pure.. purchased it unlocked.. brand new.. but branded for AT&T.........My origianl phone on the account was a cheap Nokia with basic web on it.. the old Media Max bundle....... When I pop the sim card into the HTC Pure.... it shows up right away as HTC Pure online within my account access...... It gives me the option of the Plan i currently have for data but it also adds the $30 per month option.... If i pop the sim back into the nokia the $30 option disappers.... Also note that my wifes Sony Xpreia X1.. unbranded... unlocked does not apppear in the online account profile.. instead is shows a photo of her orignall LG phone. Trust me I know what I am talking about. In any event really don't want to go back and forth with anyone on this.. Its a dead issue... What works for some does not work for all. I know there are a few instances where TMobile switches you or they just terminate the data and you get a message when you try to acccess the mobile web stating that your plan does not support the feature. I can only speak from what I have tried and seen first hand. I apologize that you are having the trouble you have. I have been between networks via my contract and I have a prepaid that I use from time to time. My expericen has always been that if I use thd data on Tmboile with an AT&T phone or vice versa I never had any issues... but when I use a Tmoble branded phone on a Tmobile account I get the price change options. Be happy ...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] quanxie:
what I know about AT&T

Here are a few things I know that might be helpful to AT&T users:

There are two different data plans AT&T offers. One is for regular(not Smart) 3G phones, which cost $10 for unlimited data.

The other data plan is $30 for smart phones which is also unlimited data.

I was forced to get $30 data plan when I got my Pure. However, I encountered a interesting scenairo when I bought my wife a Tilt 2. Basically I first got her an Samsung Impression through an online authorized dealer, which didn't require a data plan. But she didn't like it so I exchanged for the Tilt 2. When the Tilt 2 arrived, it came with a brand new sim card, but this sim card is not activated. So i inserted the first sim card came with the Samsung and it worked. The authorized dealer didn't make any chages to my plan, so there is still no data plan for my wife with the Tilt 2. If you buy the Tilt 2 at the beginning, it will force you to select the $30 data plan.

Even though with no data plan, AT&T added Pay-per-use on her plan for data usage. I called and asked if they can block data from the phone. They said if they do that it will not let her send or receive any MMS. This is what I don't know if it's true or not. Maybe someone on here can answer that for me.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] systematicdecline:
Yes if you block Data all together. This means no charged blocked on that phone number. You can not receive MMS which are Data related Text. IE Sound, Pictures, Video Etc.... But you still can receive SMS.

I have a question. Is it the Sim Card that i have had for 2 years that is keeping my 10 dollar plan still alive? If i got a new sim card would i be charged the 30 dollars per month which i wouldn't pay.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Free Man:
I know there has been a lot of confirmation that Pure users, even those who bought unlocked Pure units, are being automatically switched to the $30 data plan for Smart Phones by AT&T....However, if I purchase an unlocked actual Touch Diamond 2 then AT&T would not know my phone as I understand it, even though the basic guts are the same they do not have record of this phone so it would not be an issue...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] bklyn bruiser:
Ok.. I will state my experiance here. This is with no gimmicks or "knowing anyone at att".. and all that stuff.

I have been with cingular/att since 2001. I currently have the $15.00 Media Net on one line for a few years now and a $10.00 data plan for quite a few months now. These 2 sim cards have been in NOTHING ELSE but smart phones. Treo 680, Treo 750 (Currently), ATT Tilt (Currently), Nokia E-71x (Currently), Palm Centro (Currently).. And soon the HTC Pure. I have NEVER had my data plan changed in any way, shape or form. Now YES I have placed sim card in the phone and seen the picture of the phone appear in my OLAM, but it DID NOT change my data plan. I was told.. that as long as you called and gave your ESN to a rep for a NON smartphone, what ever sim is registered to the NON smartphone is the data plan it will assign to the sim card. I have an old Pantech and a throw away LG phone assigned to these to numbers for years. I dont even know where those phones are today. I have a total of 8 lines with ATT and I make it a habit to NEVER upgrade a phone on those 2 lines. So I get the upgrades on the other lines and just never use it on those lines. I also suggest that people use letstalk.com. The one time that they did add the data plan because of an upgrade I called them before the phone arrived (from letstalk.com) and told att that the phone was backordered and I wasnt paying for data for a phone I dont have. They agreed and removed the data plan as well as credited me back for the 2-3 days it was on my plan and it was never put back on. Thats how I got the ATT Tilt.

Like I said I am NOT flaming anyone. Just stating MY Experiance..