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[Touch HD General] richardirv:
Name one really good 3d game for windows mobile! That you can play properly & that the HD2 is unlikely going to be able to play!!

The only decent game i've played on WM is Virtual Pool and that plays find on the HD.

I just don't think the majority buy HTC devices for gaming on, if you want gaming buy an iPhone or PSP, DS etc.

Yes it will be nice when TEGRA becomes mainstream but until then I just don't thing phone 3d gaming is ready. Even the majority of the iPhone games are pretty poor, you might play a few times to show off and then your bored!!

Just my honest oppinion.
[Touch HD General] gogol:
Well, I only regret the missing driver in the HTC Kaiser, and I am afraid the feeling will be the same for HD2.

When I got the HTC Kaiser, I was very upset because of that. Don't even think about 3D games, I dont like that btw. I love old-school side scrolling shooter. And HTC Kaiser is way too slow.

Probably HD2 can still manage to play those games due to its 1GHz cpu.

But ... still, I doubt it ... The benchmark shows ...

Note that I own DSi :) I love it, but I dont want to carry 2 devices !!
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
alright i guess hd 2 is out for me.. any idea why a company like HTC will anger the consumers by not pulling in 3d drivers?
[Touch HD General] Cruzer1:
Just like what the htc engineer in the past post, it does include drivers, but underperforming and imo home cooked drivers. Good point mentioned earlier that winmo really cant match iphone graphics (i think its something to do with openGL), so htc probably think it unnecessary. Still, good video playback would be nice (iphone-nice, is what im talking about) and while people say coreplayer is good, imo it loses video quality compared to the supposed hardware accelerated htc video player.

Other than speed, and a bigger screen, i cant really see a reason to upgrade... downgrade if u consider it has a smaller battery, no videocall cam and imo a plainer looking front design (the HDs flush front face was what lured me in, the HD2s buttons just look scattered, as well as the newer winmo6.5 devices that htc are bringing out with 5 front buttons). I also like the idea of a stylus incase i got dirty fingers, which hopefully htc will rectify in future products considering they patented a design of a stylus to work with capacitative screens.
[Touch HD General] joey7415963:
Couldn't be arsed to wade through the 13 pages but just in case anyone hasn't seen it's got a page on HTC's webpage:

http://www.htc.com/europe/product/hd2/overview.html

Does look pretty awesome, but I really don't see much of a difference between the original HD and this one (with a cooked ROM and lets face it as soon as it's released we'll all be a cookin').
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
Capacitive screen no use with WM6.5

I really don't care how optimized the drivers are. What bothers me is that there are still parts of the UI in WM6.5 that are not designed to be used with a finger, so having a capacitive screen is a show stopper for me.

I use Office Mobile extensively, and that really needs a stylus for accurate text/cell selection, so the decision to have a capacitive screen on the HD2 seems rather daft.
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
OMG.. that will be horror... imagine the small areas with a cap. screen... i was using an iphone the other day.. i have to keep on touching cause i needed my nails :P
[Touch HD General] vanzelvoul:
Lets not overeact and just think for a bit. Using office mobile in that screen will be a pleasure. Think: Pinch to zoom!
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
My understanding is that pinch to zoom only works with the HTC shell running on top of WM6.5. It does not work with Office Mobile. Am I right?
[Touch HD General] vanzelvoul:
Nope you are wrong :) HTC has implented pinch to zoom in opera, office mobile and HTC Album!
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
what is pinch to zoom?
[Touch HD General] scscc3:
It's multitouch gesture when you put two fingers on the screen and bring them closer, this should zoom in on whatever particular image/map/webpage, etc you are viewing. ;)
[Touch HD General] Archer:
Heh - wrong way round mate. Move them apart to zoom, as if you're stretching the image.
[Touch HD General] vanzelvoul:
multitouch or as HTC calls it Pinch to zoom in action:http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/10/22/htc-hd2-video-review-multi-touch-support-in-ie-mobile/
[Touch HD General] scscc3:
Haha thanks.. My bad!

Funny thing is that I HAVE an iPhone lol. No more late night forum postings for me. :P
[Touch HD General] precsmo:
btw, i've some opinion about hd2 with fast 1ghz processor, and the plus sides of not having a graphic accelerated chipset.

I and we all should realize that how many wm applications have been utilised with graphic acceleration? it is kinda not easy to find many graphic accelerator enabled apps? and what is the use of having a graphic accelerator but slower processor yet if an apps has not being utilized with it, it doesn't help at all.

well, here is my logic. for example coreplayer, what is the use of a device with graphic accelerator yet the apps has not and the processor is let say used to be fastest at 628, but it is still almost half slower than hd2? however, from now on, HD2 kinda capable of processing almost anything in much faster speed we all have yet experience before right, it doesn't matter an app has or does not has graphic accelerator utilised? And yes, indeed, the benchmarking (if the tests are reliable) shows that graphic acceleration benchmarking on hd2 shows an obvious degrade to other graphic accelerated device, but look at the readings! hd2 doesn't really fall short much at all and it still seems very good isn't it?

my conclusion is, hd2 is capable of processing just anything with speed that we haven't have before! am i right???:confused::confused:
[Touch HD General] lquigley:
Htc hd2 texting methods

I can't seem to find if hd2 has different inputs for texting, full qwerty, compact, phone pad?

I have htc hd, use it with phone pad for texting. Would like to try full qwerty, but can't get it to change?
[Touch HD General] jigners:
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:HERE IS A VIDEO AGAIN!!!:D :D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YWhijK1O0U

;) ;)THE SPEEEEEED IS SCARY!!!! :D :D

;) ;)DONT BLINK OR YOU'LL MISS A FLICK!!! :D :D :D
[Touch HD General] sparky steve:
just hope the Touch HD2 isn't messed up by stupid operators

like UK Orange has with my HD !!!!!!!!!

sounds a good bit of kit. but could i trust a HC device again????

might be nokia next.... but never that **** iphone
[Touch HD General] ez2remember:
How is the multi-touch working with iGO? :eek:

Is that a new build from Nav 'n' Go or does the HD2 magically add multi-touch to some software.
[Touch HD General] tikejhya:
i know that pretty well coz my bro. got one from uk orange and i got from vodafone its par different mine one is much more smooth than orange.
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
what do u mean cant change?
[Touch HD General] leftkats:
I think you are right... Whats the point of having a hardware accelaration chipset on the CPU when is not utilised? the same thing is happening with computers. A faster, newer tech CPU will play games faster than previous ones with the same graphics card on both computers, even though I understand that a better graphics card would do the job a lot better... We have to accept and appreciate whats available at each given time and so far there is nothing better available.. Also the CPU would accelarate everything, not just graphics and to be honest with you graphics is not really the target on WM (yet). That's my opinion
[Touch HD General] cluclu:
then, why do they put imageon chipset in it if they think winmo phones don't need a dedicated graphic chipset? :confused::confused:
[Touch HD General] Toss3:
Don't think it has been confirmed one way or the other concerning the on board gpu. Many people are going to have the device in a couple of days so just wait and see. :)

The benchmarks are at least much better than those of the TG01 so things are looking pretty good right now.
[Touch HD General] mjordan79:
I don't answer to people who can't see past their nose. You're just a fanboy.

A person who answer "I don't need this" for every feature that this phone lacks is:

1) A fanboy.

2) A person with very limited needs (and little technical knowledge, if for you HSUPA 5.76 is irrelevant and if you're unsure about the usefulness of having a SDK).

You decide in which category you are.

At least I have given ten reasons why this phone won't be buyed by me (but I'm still waiting for the final ROM and a comprehensive review before abandoning the idea of buying it). You don't have to agree to them.

P.S.: I'm new, here, yes. This doesn't mean I'm ignorant. So I still have rights to say what I think. Surely, you don't have the right to say my comments and motivations are ridicolous.

By the way, I don't know in which part of the third world you live, but here in Italy *ALL* internet keys distributed by mobile operators are HSUPA 5.76 compliant.
[Touch HD General] mjordan79:
Wrong question. You should ask "What's the point of creating 3d accelerated applications when the majority of phones doesn't support 3d acceleration?"

This is the correct question.

You can't hope for powerful applications when hardware manufacturers don't even implement basic things.

People say "There are no great games for WM, so 3D acceleration is not necessary". This is an ingenuous statement. They will never exist if manufactures don't engineer phones with adequate specs. This is the point. You can't develop software for an hardware that doesn't exist.
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
oh well.. now that i am running a 6.5 htc sense cooked rom.. gives me even less excuse to buy then.. btw.. 4.3inch wont be too big? i am dropped my hd a few times due to the grip..
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
u tried l26's V3 ? :)
[Touch HD General] cluclu:
yeah, it's slow but i can live with it.

and it is ok for daily use (at least for me). If speed is the only improvement for HD2, then, i won't jump into it.

same WM, same manila, almost everything is the same except multitouch function and cpu speed :o

i want something new and that Leo is just HD1.5 or HD S (just like iphone 3gs :D)

i'm waiting for nvidia tegra powered WM7 devices :o :o
[Touch HD General] richardirv:
This is who HTC & Microsoft should be working with!

http://www.tat.se/site/showroom/latest_design.html
[Touch HD General] Xaddict:
Get me the Operator

If you're flashing roms from xda, how does the operator s**t effect your phone?

Don't tell me you're on xda but running an operator rom.

I buy my phones outright off Clove tech.

Unlimited software upgrades off xda.

Much better in the long run.

1/2 price of local telstra.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
all of that was running smoothly on the Touch Pro also

The device like Touch Pro 2 also runs smooth

good aprt about HD2 is better games & better TF3D, like auto detact weather

But my point is No support in USA yet so price is high & thats not worth it

its better for people in UK for this phone for now
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
crysis on phone sounds cool !!!

lol

well i personally hope one day we see say NDS quality games on the phone
[Touch HD General] cluclu:
that would be nice, buddy :) but what i want from tegra is 1080p playback and/or 780p video capture.

for business use (calls, calendar, mail and Navigation), yeah man ... HD2 will be the best phone atm, you certainly need to grab it :)

off topic .....

NDS means nintendo DS?? i think iphone 3gs games are more advance than NDS in graphic issue.

but as all you know, graphic quality is not a matter for nintendo.
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
yes DS.. u mean iphone s is better looking than DS ?
[Touch HD General] joker.mn:
do you think there will be a completely working port for android 1.x or even android 2.x for the touch hd2 soon?

i really love that phone, it has nice visuals and nice stats, but i am not sure whether i would like to stay with windows mobile 6.5 or android.

having both options on one system would make the choice easy ;)

so what is your guess?
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
i think those chief will have something on the menu lol
[Touch HD General] gtrab:
WOW :eek: there's BIG EXPECTATION for the Touch HD2 / Leo / Pro.Three

but I am SO dissappointed with my Topaz... now I have more Qs than As !!!:

1- As a professional requirement for presentations, I guess it DOES have

TV OUT

, ain't ???

2- And it DOES have a decent

CAMERA FLASH

for those late-night meetings and quick pics, eh ???

3- And I will be able keep

VIDEOCALLING

business partners too

4- Last but not least: I must stay connected to my HSDPA

3G 850MHz

NETWORK or I am DEAD !! (big excel charts to check on the fly, last minute changes to my ppt presentation from the office , push synching newspapers in the morning, streaming that conference from the european congress...)

.

I am sure HTC will NOT dissapoint me this time, no, they will not force me to buy the LG MONACO or the XPERIA X2a

But this is just my personal case. It's different when all you are looking for is a capacitive screen, but in such case, I'd go buy the 3Gs, it's so cool !! :cool:

:rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
For now only people in UK enjoy this phone

For all in Usa keep waiting lol
[Touch HD General] janne303:
Heard that PSP games can be played on HD 2. Is that true?
[Touch HD General] cluclu:
Playing PSP games on winmo phones is a joke.
[Touch HD General] Chris Cross:
Check out this short video of htc devices - among other the HD2.

http://revision3.com/tekzilla/inspired just scroll to about the 25 minute mark.

Man, the Leo looks soooo nice. :)
[Touch HD General] janne303:
I want it now!
[Touch HD General] davethebossman:
I've been wondering, pdadb shows this thing to have 488MB RAM. But i read only 388MB are accessible... which is like 3x more RAM usage than many phones. What does that say for the device's bloatware and organization considering it's still using WM6.5 and not some hardware-heavy WM7? Will it likely be possible to lighten up the ROM and take back some of that used up RAM? I would want that thing to run as fast and free as a bird.

I really like this thing! And i looooove the huge candy screen. But no HDMI or video out of some form, no 3D graphics (i don't think), still a 65k screen (Sony is light years ahead with 16M), and the camera is still only 5MP but at least it's got 2 LEDs for flash (better than none).

To be honest, i'm quite interested in the X3 instead, even though i want WM on my phone for adaptability and functionality. But the X3 has 8MP with flash, Snapdragon, and i know Sony to be a solid company to buy from.

Any opinions or answers for me? thanks dudes/

Dave
[Touch HD General] Toss3:
The phone is incredibly fast with the stock rom and with the help of the many talented cooks on this forum the performance is going to improve even more. :) Pre-ordered the phone today after having seen it live during the weekend(believe me - it's worth it!).

Video out is definitely something I would have liked to see on the device, but the other positives make up for it. The 65k screen isn't a hardware limitation, but a software one due to windows mobile only supporting 65k colors. More megapixels doesn't always equal a better camera, especially when it comes to phones as the sensor is so tiny. The camera is however pretty bad - granted it's better than the one in the Touch HD, but far from the ones in nokia' or SE's phones.

Well while it's hard to speculate on the performance of a yet to be released phone, I'd say that they are catering to entirely different markets even though they seem pretty similar on paper.

The HD2 is a more business oriented phone while the X3 is more of a multimedia device, so it all comes down to your own preferences; if you don't mind waiting for another 5 months and prioritize camera-quality before business use then you definitely should go for the X3 otherwise the HD2 will suit your needs fine.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
Do you think XDA will continue to tolerate X(2)(3)(4)etc here the same way as X1?

Have a look at iphone (or any other) 16M screen and tell me it doesnt look over saturated?

Do MP's really equal a higher quality photo?

X3 supports video with HDMI output? Even if it does I doubt playback is even nearly close to DVD let alone a high def medium.

HTC make pretty damn good PDA's, Sony Ericsson makes ok ones :D
[Touch HD General] janne303:
Is this thread about SonyEricsson? hehe.

NEWS!!!! SHIPPING!!! http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/04/htc-hd2-officially-coming-to-us-out-in-europe-and-asia-today/
[Touch HD General] homer285:
yes forest hehe
[Touch HD General] davethebossman:
Pretty sick phones, either way. I'm just not very sure about what to do here. But yeah i agree that no matter what, xda is gonna rip either the X3 or the HD2 apart and slim them down to a couple of lightning bolts.

I saw that youtube vid and it was INSANE how fast that bad boy is, and the capacitive touch screen is sick awesome... not to mention the huge screen! 4.3" is bigger than my... coffee mug.

I'm afraid of what "crappy camera" means... personally i've got a LG Shine, so i'd love for someone to compare the HD2 camera to that one for my sake. I hope it can be called "satisfactory" after some review. And someone said about the SE phones having whatev camera sensors, but not true. They are Sony Cybershots in there i think, and there are two SE phones out there with 12.1MP and zoom and xenon flash! pretty cool to me.

Anywho, i'm a little stumped because i'd like to get the HD2, but i also want a phone that will have some awesomeness still 8 months down the road. I haven't decided if that's the case for the HD2 yet. HDMI is around the corner, WM7, Tegra and other 3D hardware stuff, so i just feel really unsettled. Call me a picky-poo, but i don't like dropping $800-1000 like it ain't no thang.

My other issue is this (and i hope it's a smooth process like i desire it to be): I'm with Telus, and they're getting a brand spanking new 3G network which "opens" tomorrow; they owe me a free data device of my choice, so i THINK i'd like to ask for the bigass 32GB 3GS and just sell it on eBay to get my funds for a WM phone.

Ideas? I don't really care how long i have to wait, so yeah. Hit me with some suggestions please.

dave
[Touch HD General] Chris Cross:
How good is the camera flash? Are two LEDs enough? How does it compare to the flash on some of the sony ericsson phones (where you get good pictures in total darkness)?
[Touch HD General] Chingonazo:
Touch HD2 coming to the USA!

Well, it appears that it won't be long after all..... take a look at this:

http://pocketnow.com/tech-news/htc-hd2-official-for-us-major-carrier-not-yet-announced

Merry Christmas :D
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
I'm due a free upgrade in March, so I'm in no hurry to upgrade to the HD2. Most likely wait as HDMI is around the corner, WM7, Tegra, other 3D hardware stuff..............think I'll just sit back and relax for the time being ;)
[Touch HD General] cyrilic:
So will the US HD2 utilize ATT's UMTS/HSDPA bands? I heard it may be going to T-Mo .. but will HTC offer an unlocked version? Thanks.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
THAT IS LONG TIME

It says beginning of 2010

there 1st quarter of 2010 release

wont be before March

thats almost 5 months bro

isnt that LONG ?

come on
[Touch HD General] lquigley:
What I've heard "rumor" is if it is unlocked,it will just be the european version, everything except 3g!
[Touch HD General] cyrilic:
nooooo. well we can always get a t-mo version and SIM unlock it yes?
[Touch HD General] lquigley:
My knowledge is limited on this. Talking to co. where I got my hd, they say if it does go T-mobile it will have all the crap they put on it too? I bought european version, unlocked, had no carrier crap on it.So, as soon as I know AT&T is not going to get it, I will buy european again. If you hear, or know different, lmk, Quig
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Call onthegosoloutions & they will tell u its UK version

Yes no 3g, & its better to wait if ur in the USA

Buy Usa version in 2010

I wouldnt pay $900 for a phone with no 3g support
[G1 Accessories] setspeed:
I have now managed to break 2 of the cheap headphone adaptors, and I'm starting to get a bit hacked off - not only with the cheap, fragile chinese rubbish available, but also with HTC for not bothering to stick a standard 3.5mm headphone socket in.

Can anyone recommend a decent alternative to this:

Thanks!
[G1 Accessories] wergeld:
I use the HTC 3 in 1 adapter: here
[G1 Accessories] Talderon:
+1 for this adapter. I was lucky and my HTC Fuze came with one of these and I can use it with either phone. :D
[G1 Accessories] setspeed:
What sort of size is this unit? It looks pretty bulky... wanted to try and keep the size down if possible.
[G1 Accessories] Ssantos6981:
it is not too large. It might be a bit larger than others but I've had mine since last year and it is still working great. My friend had one he bought from ebay and it only lasted for like 3 months and it crapped out.

the plug is about the length of your index finger and about 1.5-2" across.

mine came with the sprint diamond, back when I was with sprint. Works like a charm though.
[G1 Accessories] quakermaas:
you could try some thing like this

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=561028
[G1 Accessories] setspeed:
Thanks for the advice guys!
[G1 Apps and Games] mswiss:
anyone know what happened to it? I can't find it in the market. Or does anyone know of an application that will let me download just the sound file from a youtube clip? Thanks guys
[G1 Apps and Games] circa85:
http://www.siriusapplications.com/youtubedownloader/
[G1 Apps and Games] darkshadows:
as well u can use clipnabber from ur phone and use the youtube url and download the video from that websiite. it works perfectly. u reallly dnt gotta buy the youtube downloader.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] coeiav:
Hi,

I have a HTC TOUCH HD with the following specifications:

ROM VERSION: 1.56.410.0 (43972) PTG

ROM Date: 03/09/09

RADIO VERSION: 1.13.25.24

PROTOCOL VERSION: 52.62.25.34U

I have tried several times the upgrade of the rom to many roms that you have here available to download, and after I have runned all the procedures to upgrade the rom I always have an error of comunication between the Host pc and the PDA when it changes from the original bootloader (the 3 color screen that alows to upgrade the rom) to the one that you dispose in here (the OLINEX 1. something)

Please be kind to give me some help because I really want to install a rom with wm6.5 plus manila 3D 2.6 and I have no sucsess until now.

All the help is very well appreciated.

Many thanks in advanced, hope to ear soon from all of you.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rdgut:
Follow this guide to the letter and it will work out fine.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Link provided above directs you to Dummies Guide thread which should answer all your queries. If you have further queries on flashing roms, please post in that thread instead of creating a new one.

Ta

Rick

p.s. thread closed
[Touch HD General] RaymondScrott:
Maybe I am a thicko but I have been unable to upgrade my ROM, have now lost confidenece in my abilities not to brick it, and thus still on the bog standard ROM from first release.

Is there anywhere that will do this for me? I accept there will be a cost and happy to post it away for a few days - though clearly I need some assurance that it is bona fide operation.

Thanks
[Touch HD General] telegraph0000:
exactly what have you done to not being able to do it??

have you read this?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=505377

What rom are you trying to load??
[Touch HD General] colint3:
upgrading rom

I was also nervous about bricking my HD but if you follow the dummies guid you should be fine. I have now flashed to most of the cooks roms.