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[General Questions and Answers] Menneisyys:
Just use an iPhone / G1 for, say, half an hour and, after that, you won't want to use anything resistive any more :)

(Except if you need to input kanjis and other, similar characters.)
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
And how exactly was I supposed to know that?

There are any number of words that could've been a typo of, some rather more likely than 'was', so explain if you can how I was meant to magically work it out without asking and why exactly requesting clarification is pathetic.

No, my post is not addressed to poisonwolf, it is quite clearly addressed to yourself, so perhaps you will stop being childish and respond properly.

Or am I to take it that this is a sign that, once again, you cannot actually answer the questions I have asked because all you have been doing in this thread so far is passing off your own opinion as so-called 'fact'?

Oh dear, oh dear. Is that really your one cultural reference for someone who uses an extended vocabulary? The Matrix films?

Of course this looks suspiciously like you trying to divert attention away from the fact that you once again have failed to support any of your claims. There seems to be something of a pattern emerging here.

You may want to re-read what I said.

My objections to yourself are objective in nature, what I do or do not think about poisonwolf's posts are of no bearing as they are an entirely separate matter and I am not attempting to engage him in a discussion with him, I am attempting to discuss matters with yourself - if indeed such a one-sided exchange can be described as a discussion.

I have read a large amount on the subject at hand and nothing I have read supports your assertions that resistive screens are technically superior to capacitive ones.

They are different technologies that suit different purposes but that does not automatically make one better than the other.

Your claims are completely unfounded and this is proven by the fact that you are constantly trying to divert attention away from my request that you justify them by focusing on petty and personal comments.

Trying to claim that resistive or capacitive is superior is like trying to claim that petrol or diesel is better, it cannot be done.

The two, whilst similar, are suited to different uses so it is impossible to declare one or the other to be objectively superior - all you can do is make claims based upon personal preference which are by definition subjective and cannot be supported, which is precisely the position we are in with your so-called 'facts'.

I would like to finish by thanking you orelsi.

You've done a far better job of showing yourself up than I could ever have managed by myself. Your childish responses and inability to support your claims undermine everything you've stated.

If you want to discuss matters like an adult, I'll be more than happy to continue to engage you but if you insist on being petty, puerile and offensive then I shall not continue to respond - to do so would be pointless and would only encourage you to continue on in a similar vein.
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
Capacitive is a "true touch screen" because it requires no real pressure to register the "touch". A resistive screen has to have 2 layers of conductive material come in contact before it registers a touch, try this on any resistive screen, touch it with out pressure.

I don't know if this was on gizmodo or engadget, but I read that a resistive touch screen only shows 70% of the 100% brightness because of the overlay it has and its transparency where as a capacitive screen has like 90 or 95% brightness because of the thinner overlay and the transparency of it.

Ah I found it on How Stuff Works.

Now my opinion on which one is better is capacitive, because its a "true touch screen".
[General Questions and Answers] elyl:
Ha! Says you, n00b! Diesel is definitely teh best. Anyone who sez petrol is best is jsut a ShellSheep!!!1 Diesel is best and that's a FACT! Roflcopter!
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
Propane!!! Anyone who denies propane is a jack. lol :p
[General Questions and Answers] RaptorRVL:
LOL, I cannot believe that there are actual fanboys regarding touch screens :)

I think its all personal preference and the way the screen is used.

The fact is, capacitive screens are more sensitive whether you like it or not. And that is totally because of the different technology used. Resistive requires more force than capacitive otherwise it cannot register a touch (read Wikipedia how that works). Capacitive registers a touch as soon as you hit the screen, no pressure needed.

Because of that, it will (almost) never miss a touch. There were a resistive screen is more likely to miss a touch.

Those two things combined really make capacitive my personal choice. However the interface and software should be made for the hardware used, otherwise the advantage is gone again because of other factors.

I can think of a few things where resistive is a better choice for certian devices. Like anywhere where people wear gloves or other stuff on their hands. Like medical devices for surgery, or something for the garbage collector dude on the garbage truck.

Whereas personal devices might be better off with capacitive imho. Or those digital product displays.

I wouldn't want a remote control with capacitive though, otherwise I might press a button by accident too often :)

My point here is, its not worth fighting over. Two different technologies with different uses.

You go try out a device with capacitive and you go try out a device with resistive. Take the one you like most!

Don't let anyone tell you what's better and that the one YOU like. Totally and utterly subjective like it should :D

Edit: oh yeah, the technology which is the cheapest might also influence chances of where and how often you find a technology. Makes one of the two 'better' for manufacturers :)
[General Questions and Answers] OliveUK:
I was so excited when I heard about the HD2 but when I read that we lost the Stylus I couldn't believe it!

I love to scribble notes on my phone using the stylus so I can add drawings to the text. No stylus is a big disappointment for me. I was hoping that some companies would get excited by the release of the phone, paired with Windows Mobile Marketplace and maybe WinMo7 and even release some animation software that I could use while commuting instead of using my TabletPC (I am an animator).

Also they made it quite clear it would be difficult to get rid of the new HTC interface and that is also a big disappointment. I currently use SBP Diary with Calendar+ as those are much better home screen for people obsessed with the Getting Things Done principles.

http://www.olivier-ladeuix.com/blog/2009/03/15/sbp-diary-calendar/

Doh the new HD2 has lost so many features that previously made it stand out from the Iphone.

What have we got left now? Easy battery removal and SD cards support? Ok there is a bigger, brighter screen and a snappier processor which is good but man, I definitely didn't want to lose the Stylus and the home screen tweak.

I understand HTC wants to attract the Iphone crowd but to the cost of losing the customers who bought their phones because they were different?

ah.... I am so disappointed.

Well the good thing is that I will be able to buy a lot of spare HD1 for cheap....
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
Its not that HTC wants to attract the iphone crowd, its more as they want to see where this can go for WM. They have already patented a capacitive stylus, maybe that sheds some light on the future ;).
[General Questions and Answers] bemymonkey:
I've been thinking about this for a while myself, and have a few questions:

1. Is a capacitive stylus on a capacitive screen less accurate than using a regular stylus on a resistive screen?

2. Does any capacitive stylus work on any capacitive screen? I searched for a capacitive stylus on eBay and found a bunch of listings for the exact same model, but with different compatibilities to phones...
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Ah yes, another round of ignorant comments. You cannot disguise your rudeness and incompetence with fancy words. I will say this again. When you try to sound smart too hard, it shows and the effective is quite the opposite.

You have zero arguments to counter my own

and

the insulting is the only thing you do. You have done nothing else since your very first post.

Look at your own posts closely. You are doing a fine job discrediting yourself and proving my own points. It seems I don't have to do anything, because you are digging your own grave...
[General Questions and Answers] bemymonkey:
Stop bickering and answer my questions ;):D
[General Questions and Answers] RaptorRVL:
1. That totally depends on what hardware etc is used. For more information about capacitive stuff with a nice explaination check this: http://www.embedded.com/design/testissue/219500393

It gives some nice information about the hardware and software regarding capacitive screens.

2. You would suspect that it won't make such a big difference. However, what you can read in the link at point 1, the size of the stylus tip does make a difference depending on how the hardware is build up (and thus how sensitive it is).

So it could make a difference. But for some reason I don't think there will be that much of a difference between the capacitive screens used now. I guess if it should be working on an iPhone, it should also work with e.g. a Hero. No guarantees ofcourse :D
[General Questions and Answers] bemymonkey:
Thanks for the info :). I read through the Wikipedia article about touchscreens (there's a section on capacitive touch) but couldn't find anything about styli :)
[General Questions and Answers] PoisonWolf:
Orelsi,

Okay, here's the dumbed down question of what Step666 wants.

Show us a link to a site that contains a unified consensus among the giant tech corporations that capacitive screens are inferior to resistive screens.

And don't reply to anything else but the question above. And don't tell me to google it, I want you to show me where you got your source from.

I've increased the sizes of the things I think are important in this post in an attempt to help you reply in a coherent and understandable manner. Please do not bring topics forth like grave-digging and self-esteem and what other rubbish you have on the tip of your fingernails. Answer the question.

Good day.
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Lack of basic undertsnding of the Engliash language? Indeed.

Lack of irony comprehension? Indeed.

Obejctive? Haha! So, you are saying that you object to my bahavior, because you have an argument with me, yet, on the previous page, you said that you prefer resistive as well. I will go as far as to suggest that you prefer it, because it is better.... which means that you don't have any argument with me and your objection is purely subjective.

That assertion is backed up by the fact that you have zero contribution to the topic and the fact that your posts consist only of personal attacks and vile hatred + blind rage.

I wonder what is the reason for this? After posting my thoughts and even apologizing for their rudeness you barge in and claim to be offended by something. Since that is impossible it is logical that you were offended by the implication of my post not by its delivery.

That leads to only one conclusion. You are annoyed by people who are right and feel the need to attack them mindlessly, because it is the only way to feel important. Which means that you have problems expressing yourself in real life and that you are wrong most of the time, hence your desire to stomp anyone else who can display the traits you lack. You can do that freely over the Net, of course.

Do you know what that's called. Inferiority complex. The need to attack people when they are correct on the basis of your own inadequacies.

I feel pity for you, but you have to either find the will to be a man in real life, or stop corrupting the debating process with your useless loathing posts.

Yet, you said yourself earlier that resistive is better. Make up your mind or stop pretending to care about the topic and stop trying to mask your personal hatred with something logical and thread related.

Exactly what you are doing. What request? Can't yoy use google.. I am not here to educate you. Find your own info, or leave if you are not prepared for the debate.

I am not claiming anything. I am statong a fact. Go educate yourself and come back to apologize.

That description suits you a lot more than me...

You are the offensive one! There has been nothing coming fronm you than personal insults. NOTHING. You don't have facts, you don't have an opinion (shown in your contradictory comments), the only thing you have managed to achieve is derail the discussion into a petty personal conflict whit wich yoiu want to compensate for your inferiority complex.

YOU DON'T CONTRIBUTE WITH ANYTHING.

Ah yes, another round of ignorant comments. You cannot disguise your rudeness and incompetence with fancy words. I will say this again. When you try to sound smart too hard, it shows and the effective is quite the opposite.

You have zero arguments to counter my own

and

the insulting is the only thing you do. You have done nothing else since your very first post.

Look at your own posts closely. You are doing a fine job discrediting yourself and proving my own points. It seems I don't have to do anything, because you are digging your own grave...
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
1 - You can't compensate for having a small .... by posting in large letters.

2 - I am not here to educate you. Find your own info. If you don't have the required technical knowledge, don't make a joke out of yourself and leave.
[General Questions and Answers] OliveUK:
PoisonWolf, just like most of the XDA devs forum users probably do, just ignore Orelsi's comments and you will be just fine ;-)

If Orelsi is not here to "educate" people I am not sure what he is doing here except starting flame wars. This thread looks like a Youtube comments page more than an adult conversation.
[General Questions and Answers] PoisonWolf:
OliveUK,

Thank you for that tip. I'll be sure to keep that in mind from now onwards.

Have a good one.
[General Questions and Answers] maati:
Yeah, just ignore him.

At least WE know the facts.
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
These were the sorts of questions that I hoped this thread would unearth some answers for.

I'd also appreciate concrete answers if anyone knows.

I would imagine, with regards to the first question, that up until now capacitive styluses have proven to be less accurate than resistive ones, otherwise the leaking of HTC's patent would not have merited the 'resistive accuracy' addendum.

As for the eBay listings, it seems to be commonplace to list the same item a number of times with a different list of compatible products - you see it a lot with items such as chargers, even though they are compatible with a larger range of handsets from the same manufacturer (or, indeed, sometimes from a number of manufacturers), each individual listing tends to focus on one or two specific models.

I wouldn't read too much into it personally.

Which is not to say that all capacitive styluses are compatible with all capacitive displays, merely that eBay is not the greatest place for gleaning technical information.
[General Questions and Answers] maati:
Yes, it's less accurate. At least those that are available at the moment.

Yes.
[General Questions and Answers] bemymonkey:
Thanks for the answers :)

Is handwriting for notes a problem? Is the difference very noticable? Or only if you're really looking to find a difference?

Good to know then.
[General Questions and Answers] timmymarsh:
Gents,

THis topic is purely subjective and whilst i have found your arguments stating the pros and cons interesting, please refrain from shouting, abusing/flaming each other. It is not healthy and does not contribute anything to the discussion.

Anymore flaming and i will close this thread, thank you and please keep it down and continue to enjoy.

Tim.
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
1.) The one htc patented should be.

2.) There are different ways to make capacitive screens.
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
Thank you.
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
For some people my post was rolled right over.
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Yes, it is. It is next to impossible actually. Maybe it will be fixed in the future.
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
Not trying to start an argument but how did we come to that as the definition of a "true touch screen"?

I thought a touchscreen was merely a screen that accepts a touch input.

He he, nice :)
[General Questions and Answers] HTC Touch Freak:
Probably the best post here. There are pros and cons to each. Like you mentioned. Capacitive will more than likely register acidental unwanted touches but resistive may not register a wanted touch at all. There are several pros and cons. I think my other post mentioned a few while bashing the capacitive a little.

In the end it IS user preference.
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
No one did, but I just wanted to put that out there. :cool:
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
Ok, cool :)
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Capacitive may register unwanted brushes as input - Yes.

Resistive may not register a wanted one - No.

The whole point is that resistive touchscreens are very advanced. They register even the slightest push against them, let alone a normal press.

Maybe 5 years it was a problem, but now, with the sensitivity of modern resistive displays and the force wich most people use (unneeded force), there is no threat of skipping a press.
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
Dude, get off your high horse and stop forcing your opinion to everyone. . .:rolleyes:

Capacitive may register unwanted brushes from what? Your fingers? Every touch screen has that problem. . .even resistive. ,but with resistive it can register unwanted swipes from just about anything, keys, lint, bumps, anything.

Just shut up, act like a civilized person, or the mods will get you. . :cool:
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Don't forget to tell this to EVERY SINGLE POSTER on this forum.

Maybe you should jump off the hater bandwagon, use your brain for once and read the previous posts. That point was made by many other people and I was just confirming it.

Do you see where your hatred lead you? Do you feel bad now? You should...

Civilized person? Like.... yourself maybe? Right...

FYI people get in trouble for not following the rules, like yourself. Your post did not contribute with anything to the topic and was both useless and hateful.

Post on topic and leave your personal problems somewhere else when you sit behind the computer.
[General Questions and Answers] ~~Tito~~:
Answers in bold.

If you where to follow along the thread instead of constantly bickering with everyone then no one would really argue with you. You just cant make your self sound like a high authority on something, because your not. Some people like capacitive and some like resistive, deal with it. I like both, but I like capacitive more because of how stable the screen feels when you touch it.
[General Questions and Answers] arthurbrownleeiv:
Personally for me, the fact that you can't use gloves with a capacitive screen, and that even HTC says they are liss accurate especially on smaller screens. means I hope they keep resistive screens around. Yes, a hybrid would be wonderful, but I really don't get the whole capacitive craze.

I owned an iPhone, and I still like the Rhodiums screen the best. Then again, I've use resistive screens since the monochrome days.

The biggest issue is getting capacitive so that it can be used with gloves or whatever is handy, be it a stick or a bic pen. there are a lot of people who don't use WinMo just for pleasure, and couldn't afford to lose this ability.
[General Questions and Answers] -PiLoT-:
CLOSED

its fast turning into a flame war
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geova87:
Ok here a few dumb questions i'd like to have answered :)

1. Does the process to have the new Cyan build changes the SPL? I know it does change the radio but I'm not sure about SPL... (I had Haykuro's one, the one for Hero's... Danger I believed its called)

2. Does the Drizzy MOTO-BLUR port runs fine in the G1? I mean, I had Hero but got rid of it because of all the lag and because I don't have a class 6 sd card (stole by my g/f lol).. But I don't think that the BLUR needs all that memory to run (like touchflow/sense does)...So I think I have to ask if a Class 6 SD is necessary to flash Drizzy's Blur... ( I know that class 6 are super fast and they rule and blabla, but just answer if its necessary for the BLUR :) )

3. I live in Puerto Rico (U.S. Territory).. Has anyone from here flashed Drizzy's Blur? Could you make an account at moto servers? Because sometimes P.R. is regarded as part of U.S. and sometimes it isn't...

and to finish...

XDA and all its devs RULES :D... They should all be hired by Google :) (It'd be an awesome experiment having all these guys developing under one roof! :) )
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] david1171:
1. no it doesn't change the spl and the spl is technically called 1.33.2005

2. it is very beta stages. hero is faster then it atm, but give them sometime. it took a long time for hero to get where it is.

3. sorry i cannot answer this for you.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maxkid86:
Hey, I've been flashing my sapphire for a while now, and i've learnt a bunch already as far as the normal not too technical stuff so far, but i'm more interested in actually building a rom that I can call my very own.

I'm not sure if this has been discussed anywhere but, I just want to be lead in the right directions, with the most up to date guides and what not.

So my question to all the dev's on this board, would be what guides or resources should I look at to start my journey of cooking up my own rom for HTC sapphire also could be Dream?

I hope this doesn't cramp the rules you guys have as far as important questions, but i feel like this is a good question. thanks for you time.
[General Questions and Answers] coolguycarlos:
Are there any soundboard apps for windows mobile. I have been looking and looking and keep seem to find one.. It be real cool if they had a swarchenneger sound board for windows mobile. :D
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] drewhopcroft:
Hey,

Does anyone know of a free app that will play an alarm and/or flash the screen when a sms/mms comes through with some set text in it? (eg: "<ERROR>" or something)

Looking for something that if they text something like: "<ERROR> Server1" it plays an alarm sound instead of the sms tone and shows the text after the key word.

I'm the server guy at work and last night they went down while one server was being used for a presentation overseas and I slept through the message and calls got :(

Thanks for any help.

-Drew
[Wing, P4350 Herald Upgrading] nic3a:
I'm running a stripped WM6.1 ROM on the Wing and it doesn't have Jbed or any java emulater. I need one that works with my Wing a file post would be great.

I searched and it's proveing to be a pain to find a working one. any Help?

Also anyone know how to get skyfire to use the my computers connection while synced?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Brendo:
Here is the latest cab file (v1.2.1417.0001)

I editted it so that it can be installed to storage card

Marketplace.cab = original

Marketplace_sc.cab = edited

New in this version:

The much awaited arrival of installation to storage card and ability to select marketplace location