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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] IMissPalmOS:
My scenario:

I'm calling AT&T tomorrow for a non-contract signup on their 1400 minute family plan. I have 2 brand new Tmobile Touch Pro 2's, both SIM unlocked and flashed to WM6.5.

I'm going to add the $15 data unlimited to one line by telling them it is a simple Motorola flip phone.

When they ask for the IMEI, should I give them one from my Motorola phone, or should I give them the real IMEI from my TP2 and just insist that it is really just a flip phone?

Thanks for any advice, and of course I will report back how it works out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
If you have a real IMEI to a fliphone, you might as well give them that. You can always put the SIM in your Touch Pro 2 after it's active.

AT&T used to require a contract though, even if you have your own device. So unless that has changed, they might put a damper on your plans when they require you to sign a contract.

3G won't work on those T-Mobile Touch Pro 2's though, so you might want to consider that.

Also, T-Mobile is set to announce some new plans like next week. Supposedly they will be "game changers" according to all the rumors. Do a search for Project Dark or Project Black. The rumor is it will be an unlimited everything plan (voice, text, data) for like $50 per month with no contract. It might make you want to go with T-Mobile instead (plus your 3G will work).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] IMissPalmOS:
Thanks for the info about Tmobile, but for me it is a service issue more than a cost issue. I spent the last 3 weeks driving up and down the east coast and spent allot of time in the rural areas of upstate NY, Georgia, South Carolina, and Tennessee. Me and my partner were both carrying identical Hermes phones, him on AT&T and me on Tmobile. In every case AT&T had far better coverage, and often had great coverage where Tmobile had none at all. I know there are probably other people who have had the opposite experience where they are, but for me it wasn't even a close contest - AT&T blew Tmobile out of the water.

I'm aware that I won't get 3G speeds, but for me I don't really care. In fact I'm hoping it works in my favor. Since I won't ever use their overworked 3G network, maybe AT&T will be more willing to overlook the fact that I don't have the "correct" data plan for my phone.

EDIT: Oh BTW, where I live (Orlando, FL) AT&T requires contracts if you signup in a retail store, but if you call in they will still let you signup without one. Don't ask me why...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imabored:
alright. thanks for the advice. i appreciate it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DLTempler:
I didn't bother to read through this thread to get the skinny, but I did want to merely report my experience

I ordered the Tilt 2 last week and received it. I activated the new SIM. I had been told that I could keep the $20 data plan and that the $30 plan only was required of new service (v. replacement).

That was all good until I checked my account online and found out that they got me for the additional money and my data plan is now $30.

I called ATT and spoke with a supervisor rep there who claims that as of September 8 ATT requires an upgraded plan with any upgraded phone (but I am assuming that only applies if you want the discounted price).

After a pleasant discussion, since screaming at these op's never worked, I was offered a $240 one time credit to offset the monthly $10 over 2 years. This was reportedly offered because "the system" will override any change back to the old data plan.

It worked out in the end, I guess. Except that 2 years from now I am back paying $30/mo. --- assuming that is not raised again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pinoy929:
Has anyone tried buying a Tilt 2 through ebay and seeing what happens when they put their SIM card into it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nemets:
R U serious?:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Did you get the name of supervisor rep ? I would really like to get hold of him!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DLTempler:
yes, serious. Was a woman, not a guy. Maybe it was my Barry White voice imitation.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] azwildcat98:
I did a similar test on an East Coast road trip recently, with a T-Mobile TP2 and an AT&T Fuze and had the same experience. There were spots where the T-Mobile phone had no coverage, while the AT&T Fuze had full.

I then spoke with a T-Mobile rep about this, and he said I should be able to manually force my phone to roam onto an AT&T tower in places where there isn't a T-Mobile tower (per their roaming agreements with AT&T). To do this you need to go to Start > Settings > Phone > Network > Change the Network Selection to "Manual" and then tap the 'Find Network' button (Note, this is only possible in WM 6.1, in WM 6.5 the Network Selection field has been removed). The rep says he does this all the time when he is in areas without T-Mobile service. Now I'm not one who usually trusts what the reps say unequivocally, so I remain sceptical that it will work. Unfortunately I haven't recently been in any areas where I can try this out myself.

I know sometimes phones will switch to romaing automatically, while other times they just say 'no service'. My assumtion is that if the phone swithes automatically, then T-Mobile's roaming agreement has you covered. However if the phone does not switch automatically, and just says 'no service' then AT&T has probably blocked T-Mobile from using that tower. I Googled this and have gotten mixed information. One thing I read said that AT&T and T-Mobile are letting some of their roaming agreements expire, and another thing I read says that AT&T only allows other carriers to roam on towers that they acquired from buying up other wireless companies, but won't allow other carriers to roam on towers that AT&T has put up themselves.

Has anyone ever tried (and been successful) at getting a T-Mobile phone to manually roam on another carriers network when it did not automatically switch? Please do share ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bumblefreak:
Tilt 2 with SIM card

I'm very interested in finding out what happens as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bumblefreak:
Unlocked phone

Would it matter if the phone was unlocked when purchased for the imei check?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lev00:
I wanted to share my experience.. I popped into an AT&T store in Honolulu and checked out the Tilt 2. After reviewing my account to see what price I could get the phone at, the Store Rep said she had to look at my plan to make sure I had the qualifying data plan already, if not I'd need to upgrade to the PDA Plan. After she saw my $15 media plan she told me I'd have to upgrade to the $30 PDA plan, I asked how she could label that an 'upgrade'...

I asked if I could pay the non-commitment price and still keep my plans untouched and she would not budge. Sucks cause this is a deal breaker for me until I figure out a way to keep what I have.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] e_dogg:
You should try telling them that you want to pay the full price but not have it added to your plan at all. If they press for reasons, tell them that you're a mobile software developer and would like it for testing purposes. Or that you're going to give it away as a gift.

Providing that works and they sell you the phone, just put the SIM card in and start using it sans data.

When my wife and I had T-Mobile, we moved to an area that had terrible T-Mobile coverage. They released us from our contract and provided us with unlock codes for our Dashes (very nice of them, I must say).

We went to an AT&T store to sign up and got a couple of free phones and told the guy we wanted to use our unlocked Dashes. He entered the information from our free phones and added a smartphone/blackberry data plan to my line (wife wasn't working at the time so didn't need data or email). I think the sales guy knew how to make things work within the system as when we later called to have the same data plan added to her line, the person on the phone couldn't do it. We talked to the same sales guy and he made it happen.

Both of us slapped our new sim cards into our Dashes and went on our merry way. The new free phones found a nice home in a drawer where one was given away and the other now serves as a backup phone.

After 2 years and several contract examinations to get a corporate discount, my wife used her unlocked Dash until a few days ago when we both upgraded to the Tilt2.

Tl;dr version - if you can get your hands on the hardware and already have an AT&T account, it should work just fine with voice only. Maybe it would be better to get an unlocked one off of Ebay? Looks like they're going for $400-500 which is the same cost as buying one without a contract.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lhino9:
As long as you buy a phone from AT&T they will know your IMEI and your data plan will be switched. I have an older MEDIA NET plan for $15/mo; have been using all kindsa PPCs . . . currently using Touch HD, TouchPro2 UNLOCKED phones. I doubt you could get setup in this manner unless you know someone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jlczl:
Not necessarily. Don't activate the SIM it came with, just use your old SIM. I have and I still have the MediaNet plan for $15.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] IMissPalmOS:
By your request, I gave this a try this afternoon...

I was in Gillsville, Georgia in an area that has decent AT&T coverage, but no T-Mobile coverage at all. Using the TP2 with generic HTC WM6.1 ROM I switched the phone setting from automatic to AT&T. It tried to connect for about a minute, but it did not work. Switched back to my AT&T SIM and it worked fine. Switched once more to the T-Mobile SIM and had the same result.

Hope this info helps.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] myrandex:
I've been using AT&T with a $10/month data plan for quite some time too and they have never changed it on me.

Before they started the $10 / month data plan, I was on the $15 / month data plan for the past 2 years or so. So yea this is definitely true!

Jason
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jasmithers:
I bought a Tilt2 no-commitment about a week ago, because I have just over a year left on my contract and wanted to be able to switch to another carrier after that year if AT&T doesn't get the best phones (i.e. Leo/HD2).

The sales rep suggested I get a new SIM card; it was the same guy who had fixed my wife's GoPhone a couple of months earlier by putting in a new SIM card when her service went bonkers, and he said it might help avoid issues for me as well.

I'm already on a $30/month data plan, with a % discount on top for my Premier account, so I didn't care if they "changed" my plan to another $30 plan, and so said sure, slap that new SIM card in there. And sure enough, up on the AT&T site a few days later it showed that my old data plan had been deactivated the day I bought the new phone, and a new one put in its place (I could tell they were different because they had slightly different codes).

I called the sales rep at the store; he said that the plan may be device-dependent, hence the change (he didn't seem too sure about this, though). He assured me, though, that I would keep the same price (can't go any higher!), and would continue to receive my Premier discount. When my next bill comes out that had better be true...

UPDATE: Just after posting the above, I logged into my AT&T account again; apparently my "new" data plan was deactivated a day after activation, and my "old" plan put back. My only guess is that the old plan is required in order for me to get the Premier account discount...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rkub:
Just a warning to AT&T customers, I have a good friend who was on the old $19.99 Medianet plan, we were both on it for years wanting to keep it since it was a great deal. Mine was taken off a year or so ago and went thru a huge hassle of tryin to get it put back, they supposedly couldn't do it so they put me on the $30 plan (1500 texts/unlimited internet) and credited my account a little money to make up for the difference in price. Same thing happened to my friend but he was more persistent and got it back. On 9/8, after AT&T's cutoff date, he had his old 8525 replaced thru insurance and got a Fuze. Well 1 week ago his phone stopped workin so he called AT&T to find out what was goin on since he had just paid his plan. They tell him his data plan is no longer valid and he owed $300-400 for his internet usage... He argued for hours and spoke with different managers, but bottom line, he got the charges taken off but has to now pay $30 for internet and $5 for texting... They are enforcing that new policy for some people...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jlczl:
He wasn't persistent enough this time then. If that would happen to me I'd just take my business elsewhere. It's not as if at&t has the best rates around.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] azwildcat98:
Thank you for conducting the experiment -- that helped me a lot!! I had a feeling T-Mobile's promise that their phones could force themselves onto the AT&T network was too good to be true.

Thanks for all your help!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] GenB:
forced switching

so i had a 35 dollar a month unlimited media net package with messaging. My old tilt 1 just lost data capability one day. i called in and they said my plan was incompatible with my phone and would not allow data connections. now its 40 dollars for Data and 20 dollars for messaging. i think maybe i got shafted.

GenB

Tilt 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] spiderpumpkin:
I bought my first ATT Tilt2 online but it was defective. I didn't want to deal with mailing it back and waiting so I went to the local corporate ATT store. While doing the exchange they said my data plan was invalid and they couldn't/wouldn't finish the exchange unless I upgraded my data plan.

They even spun a tale saying that my data would work better on the new data plan. However, both use wap.cingular/Media Net for data.

I tried to keep my 5 year old grandfathered Mediaworks but they wouldn't budge. So in order to get a nice working phone I caved in and allowed them to change the data to $30. They probably would have done it anyways if I left without doing the exchange.

This is why I like buying online and don't like going into their store. I was using my old Cingular 3G sim card with the Tilt 2 and it worked fine. But they said my upgrade wasn't complete in the computer because I didn't use the new ATT 3G sim card that came with the Tilt2 in the mail.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] J.Dee.M:
Did you buy your new tilt2 online w/ a new plan or renewed a contract or just w/o a contract?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
What? It's $30 and $5 (for 200 SMS/MMS), it is however $20 for unlimited SMS/MMS.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jlczl:
You made a HUGE mistake caving and letting them remove the MediaWorks. Likely nobody will ever add that back on your account since you willingly released it. I had to exchange mine at the store too. I also ordered online via Premiere. They did not even mention the fact I don't have the $30 data plan. Was in and out in about 10 minutes!

By the way, I periodically check to make sure my plan hasn't been changed and it hasn't.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jlczl:
Yup, you got shafted. Since it had been working and "compatible" before, you had a leg to stand on to argue about it and keep it. Since you agreed to being switched you are now on a plan YOU approved.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] princeasi:
This was a "Royal Ph--king". About 3yrs ago, they tried that same BS with me. They removed my plan without my consent. I argued for 3 month with SR and Managers about this Incompatible plan BS. After proving there theory inferior, they finally added my GF plan back onto my account!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pinoy929:
so, any news on any work around for the AT&T bs? Meaning, anyway we can run a Tilt 2 without them knowing you upgraded your phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
More like "after proving their wills inferior" they relented. A little persistance can go a long way if you've got 3 months to argue with them. Getting the right employee (who doesn't give a crap about ATT) on the phone helps too.

Which is not to say the thread title is correct. Just because some people survive the purges, doesn't mean everyone will/can.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tlkid064:
If you're concerned with your old internet plan being switched to the new one, your best bet is to buy the Tilt 2 with No Commit and say it's a gift for someone. If a corporate ATT store won't sell it to you, my suggestion is to try a local authorized retailer as a franchised store will be more likely to take any profit than try to hit you up for every nickel and dime. You'll also be less likely to be bombarded by Iphone zombies at an authorized retailer too :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
IMEI detection protocols have already been used against people, so that once a phone ATT wants to have a higher priced net plan has your card inserted they can detect and send you a text notifying you that you either change your plan, or they will for you. Originally, this was put into place for the iPhone but in the past few months, it has been turned (perhaps on testing basis) against other smartphones, though not universally yet.

A plan more likely for long-term success is to buy a TMo or int'l unlocked version and use it on ATT, as carriers typically only maintain IMEI dbs of their own phones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tlkid064:
It is true that they do have IMEI detection. The good news is that they usually won't actively replace your data plan while you're using it. Keep a spare Nokia 2610 (cheap GoPhone) on hand and any time you get that text message, call customer service and play dumb. ATT's customer service will generally take your word for it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] murito99:
I have a black rooted g1. Ive flashed it a couple of times everyrthin was good untill i flashed the 1.6 donut. When i did that i got a black/blank screen . So i did the recovery and then all i got was the start up ( u know were it shows how to use ur g1) so i try logging into my account and then i just got fore close after fore close and my phone wont respond to anything . All i can do is go to the boot loader. Ive tried flashin cm rom and samething goes. what did i do wrong what can i do to fix this? Helpppp! Inees my g1 and i dont have insurance. Im just happy that it is not bricked!
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pistol4413:
you might have lost root happened to a few people when they flashed the htc recovery. just boot into recovery wipe and reflash the rom is all else fails wipe ur partition
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] doctorwqh:
A piece of news from Engadget says that WM7 will aim for spring 2010 RTM.Come on,guys!We will have a more beautiful spring at 2010.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Maedhros:
Hey guys. I have the Telus HTC Touch Pro2, and I have noticed a problem. The part where the touch screen half of the phone makes contact with the keyboard part, causes a scratch on the keyboard part. There was plastic on this part before, but I removed it, and now it is scratching. I don't mind this, but just wanted to warn ppl not to remove the plastic.

I will post pics tomorrow.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Caspertje19:
I had a little piece of plastic just on the right side of the keyboard. I removed this, because I tought I missed it with unpacking my TP2. But now there is a little woggle(? mean little space between screen and keyboard), so everytime I press the screen on that side of the device I can feel and hear the two parts coming together. It's really annoing and it started when I removed the little piece of plastic. For my feeling it's a last fast hot fix by HTC.

But i don't see scratshes yet. I can see dirt on the left and right of the keyboard where the sliding is, but I can easily remove this. But on the longer term, I think there will be permanent 'dirt' aka scratches on both sites....but hey, when you don't want this to happen, put your device away and don't use it :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drumrguy200:
Scratches fix.

As soon as i opened my TP2, i knew the clear plastics were for protection so i left them. In time the one on the right started to peel itself off. THE FIX... I removed it completely and colored it BLACK with a Sharpie Marker, pulled out some transparent scotch tape out of my drawer and carefully traced/cut it out with a sharp razorblade. Carefully stuck it back on and VOILA! A perfectly new replacement a-la' Jerry Rig! :D Maybe you can cut out 2 pieces ontop of one another to reduce the play when closed? Time = Approx. 10mins.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Maedhros:
Hey guys. Yea I just wanted to leave this as a warning to other tp2 owners who thought the plastic was just packaging.

I can't take any pictures since the only other camera is a phone. It dosen't capture the scratches properly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] acrh2:
I left the stickers on. However, as it turned out later, one of the stickers wasn't applied properly. Eventually, the sliding motion caused that sticker to come off and bend just a little at one corner. I cut the bent part off, and the whole thing came of a few days later.

When you get your phone, make sure those stickers are applied properly, and squeeze out air bubble from underneath if needed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xnifex:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=555752
[Touch HD General] elammertsma:
Manila 2.1 running on WM 6.1 is currently, indisputably (much) faster than 2.5 on WM 6.5. For intensive use, the difference is enormous to me and certainly enough to stick to the 2.1/6.1 combo until the great cooks start working their magic and optimizing everything.

That aside, after having used Dutty's Leo R5 for a few days, with numerous problems, I really miss the beautifully implemented, simple Twitter tab. I'm now running Dutty's WM6.1 v4.3 Final, which is blazingly fast in comparison but, naturally, doesn't have the fancy new Twitter functionality. Is there any way at all to get this into Manila 2.1? If there's anything I can do to help, I'm game. I've just tasted the feature and can't let go of it!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] shotcalla:
I'm considering buying these, and i e-mailed their customer support, but didn't receive an answer.

Does anyone know if the mic works for the CDMA version of the Touch Pro 2???
[General Topics] Robes1:
Just trying to find other Imagio owners!
[General Topics] Dra444:
Hey another Imagio owner here, great phone so far.
[General Topics] wedgemoose:
Imagio

i absolutly LOVE it. Had the HTc toich pro II before and couldn't stand it. I don't know if it was my phone or what but the thing constantly locked up and or always lagged. It was a total nightmare. i swore I would never buy a HTC again. But I couldn't take it anymore. The second I saw the Imagio I had to have it. It is the best phone I ever had, seen in my life. I LOVE it and can't put it down. Can't wait for an Imagio section here. I'm not a pro like you guys. But still get enough info off this site to make me dangerous. constantly looking for new apps. My freind has an I-phone and thinks they are the best. When I unlocked mine and he saw the Home screen his jaw dropped to the ground. The I-phone icons are ugly and old. They were cool in the beggining but now are boring. The Imagio is better designed and better looking and the screen resolution is Un-matched!!!!!!!!!
[General Topics] HTC Touch Freak:
Search a little. Imagio is under the Topaz section as CDMA Topaz. It has been asked several times where the section is.

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=478