yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] pacoge:
Oops, this is the official version not the rooted one. Sorry
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
I beg to differ... I saw the link ok when asunde reported it. And even now I can see the "Download Now" button...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] leventefarkas:
yes the link comes back and it seems it's a newer version!

there should have to be some serious error in the dec 1st version!

crzyruski could you make a new rooted version?

thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Good catch! I'm blind! :)

I will make updates tonight! :D

I will also review differences in packages for those that wish on the "Developing for DSTL1 / N21" thread

I wonder how bad they screwed up... Didn't seem too bad to me.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Please tell us what are the MAC address differences?

I have failed to notice this...

We should compare with official version as well
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] leventefarkas:
i made a diff but unfortunately they rebuild all apps and modules so everything seems to different, although the only real difference for me is the difference of default language from tr to en:-)

may be if i decode dex to jar to classes to java we can see the differences...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
For comparison accuracy, what are you using to speed test?

I can rarely attain Edge :( This is due to AT&T demanding the 850 Mhz band as well as 1900 Mhz. Since DSTL1 does not have 850 Mhz, I can only attain Edge in metropolitan areas :(
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
That would be awesome! Please post your findings in the "Developing..." thread :)

BTW, is Norwegian available in this update?

My code level comparison is here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5082796&postcount=35
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] killdashnin9:
Im not sure if it is an option for you; but the phone runs great on t-mobile. The only time you may need 850 is when you roam and I keep a cheap Nokia in my glove box in case its needed.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] leventefarkas:
does the Edge ever work for you? or anybody else?

it's be a good starting point for me since i've got Edge and 3g coverage everywhere but as my n21 don't know 3g i've to use edge, but as i wrote it was never worked for me:-(
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] killdashnin9:
The N21 does not support 3g, but I use edge all the time and never have problems with it.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
This might be a silly idea, but we have DUAL SIM so why not dream?:

If you could force both DATA networks somehow this could be cool... WHY? because in Linux (and probably Android) it is possible to bind two data streams into one.

Two EDGE network connections could prove to be one FAST network connection. This is all theory... and probably impractical due to the fact that you would need two data plans. but its still on my mind :p
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
I'm looking into the languages (locale). Sorry that happened. Do you remember what else is missing?

Flash problem is True for me too! I think the timing is off! :mad:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] craggysteve:
Analogue Clock

Stupid question, but since upgrading to rooted 1.6 2544 the Analogue clock is bigger and won't sit in the centre column on the screen?

Any thoughts, I have always had the clock top centre of my Android home screen on G1 & DSTL1, so I'm kinda used to it being there! Is there a property setting I need to change somewhere? Or is it just me and I've messed up the install somehow?

Ta.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
You have a point there. Thank you for voicing that. Unfortunately I don't think there is an easy fix. That has to do with widgets and how the react to DSTL1's cramped screen space. I mean, half the nice widgets out there won't even fit on our screens :(

I noticed since Build 2544 that Calendar widget finally fit snugly in the corners, before it wasted space. You fix one thing, you break another for someone else. I know how having a clock off center would bother you. Best you can do is complain to GM :) (or find a solution, but that could get quite technical)

BTW, I was never a fan of the clock so I wasn't constantly looking at it... But it doesn't look bigger to me.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] asunde:
So far I have only noticed

-the missing Locale, and

-missing Enter /Return key missing from the Text messaging keyboard.

I have not yet upgraded to the 2544 release, I will probably do that tonight.

Do you still recommend using the General Mobile 2544 Recovery.img and your 1.1 Donut.ZIP file?

Arild
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
I sure do :) Does your Analog Clock still center nicely?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] craggysteve:
Ta, I shall learn to live without it. All my attempts to talk with GM have been met with a deafening silence :(

Maybe it all comes together in Android 2.0
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
If you call them they will usually call back... eventually :)

I have not heard news on 2.0, I imagine it is possible but this is not the rule. I think 2.0 will have its own advantages aside from widget placements, I don't expect to see it for some time...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] asunde:
The analog watch looks ok on mine and centers fine.

Your problem is probably that you have to many icons on the screen, try moving or deleting som before you try to center the watch.

At least I had that problem when my screen was to crowded.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] pacoge:
Speed Test of speedtest.net free from the Market.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] wineleven:
About Enter key:

Try to press the half short camera key, it is a hide feature:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] asunde:
Thanks for the Enter key info.

I just upgraded to 2544 and yes the watch does not center anymore.

In other words they screwed up the watch from December 1st to the 4th update.

I am only able to have one widget on the main screen.

Then I am just waiting for the next update, feels like I have been updating this phone to new build daily:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] melgan:
crzyruski can we use Google Apps PATCH with General Mobile offical r2544 SW?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] melgan:
Crzyruski, can we use Google Apps PATCH for General Mobile offical Donut SW release (r2544)?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] asunde:
I have noticed another bug.

If you turn on the radio and use the back button to close the radio; the Volume buttons on the side of the phone will quit working. I have to reboot the phone to make them work again. I have not tested this with the earplugs connected to the phone.

It is a problem because you can not adjust the speaker volume when on a call.

Has any of you noticed this?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lolomann:
I noticed something like this when I used the radio. I couldn't turn it off with the back button, so I killed the process through the upside bar's task manager, but the radio sound didn't stop, and when I unplugged the earphones I didn't had sound on the phone. I had to reboot it to ger back to normal.

Also I've noticed something weird with the radio reception. Looks like it gets better signal if i'm holding the earphones plug with my fingers... like if I was acting as the antenna just by being close to the plug.

Anyway, the headset of the N21 stinks. Anyone knows of a compatible USB headset (from another phone or brand)?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] nadorsz:
Bluetooth working - not working game

I am using the official Donut 1.0 (currently).

I always had problems connecting BT headsets to the phone; sometimes it could not start the neccessary components, daemons, services, whatsoever:

- there was no "device name" shown

- discover me countdown not started

- empty devices list (I've paired with 4-5 devices already)

- scan for devices not working even if there are discoverable phones nearby

This happens mostly after a longer sleep period, 4example, during the night.

I found a workaround to solve this problem:

-----------------------------------------

1) turn off all wifi and bluetooth

2) start wifi

3) wait some seconds, don't have to connect to any wifi spots

4) start BT, wait another 10 secs

et voila, BT connected, music is playing through BT!

You don't have to leave wifi turned on.

Did any of you experience something like that?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] melgan:
You can turn off Radio by entering menu and selecting Close option while you are in Radio UI. You can't turn off radio with back button
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kingnappa:
I don't have that kind of problem! I've updated my N21 to the last DST1 1.1 releqase and everything works fine! the problem I had with previous releases was my problem, I misunderstood WIFI mac address with bluetooth mac address... :p.

I only have a question.... How long does your battery stand? If i check some web pages and send just a couple of sms and 1 / 2 phone calls, my battery stand one day :eek: it seems a little short for me.... I just want to know if it's a problem of my battery.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] melgan:
While searching internet I found a SW for DSTL1 which includes Google market. I tried it and it works fine:). It includes market, youtube, gmail, gtalk.

Here is the link, by the way as a recovery file use official r2544 Donut update release.

h ttp://r apidshare.com/files/317501349/Android_20091204_r2544_pr_gm_x2_donut_update_google_app.zip
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Whatever works for you :) there is a reason it was never included in my releases...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
My experience is documented here: http://www.androidspin.com/forum/in...78c65f481894d13883c9002bb968da&rb_v=viewtopic
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Of course :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kingnappa:
anyone has my same problem with battery? It could be a battery problem? I use a USB charger that already worked with a Xperia X1, without problems.

Just in case, I've ordered a new battery from scophone.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Battery life is not good with the DSTL1 for many reasons...

And there are ways to improve it.

Display brightness requires power, the brighter the more power.

DUAL SIM requires more power than SINGLE SIM.

Active data connection - if your device checks email every 15 min. or synchronizes with Google Apps throughout the day it... this all drains more battery.

I am lucky if I can go a whole day without using my backup battery. Glad they bundled a backup :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] kingnappa:
it's already at minimum :)

second sim disabled :)

i check the mail only early in the morning and when I go back home from office... :)

I've ordered another spare battery, just in case (my shipment doens't have a second battery:( )
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jlcd:
Has anyone successfully installed the new Google Goggles?

http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/index.html#landmark
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
I thought the N21 came with two? :confused:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
http://www.androidspin.com/forum/index.php?f=135&t=45&rb_v=viewtopic
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] nadorsz:
Crzyruski Rooted Official Donut v1.2

crzyruski,

I've found that you are creating a new version based on official 2544.

http://db.androidspin.com/android_developer_display.asp?developerid=52

http://db.androidspin.com/android_build_relnotes.asp?android_build_id=142

The idea is very good - I really loved the unofficial rom's regional support.

When will it available public?

Thanx
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
We have moved...

We are happy to have grown the DSTL1 / N21 community :)

Thank you all for participating. We have decided to continue support and discussions elsewhere.

We hope you continue to keep up with us on AndroidSpin's DSTL1 forum! :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] hilaireg:
Closed ... as per OP request.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Do not flash recovery

DSTL1 / N21 owners, DO NOT FLASH RECOVERY.

Our recovery is different from HTC models. If you wish to figure out the internals of recovery you need to learn how to unpack.

If you have not heeded my warning and flashed your recovery, do not despair.

Use my original DSTL1-recovery.zip

Or Slemmen's original N21-recovery.zip

Don't forget to unzip and then rename to recovery.img and then place in update folder.

This is the original DSTL1 / N21 recovery, no modifications as of yet.

P.S. they are exactly the same
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jlcd:
But no problem only with my recent root access, isn't it? :confused:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
You should not have a problem, unless you specifically attempted to flash recovery.

The DSTL1 is partitioned this way:

cat /proc/mtd

dev: size erasesize name

mtd0: 00100000 00020000 "Bootloader"

mtd1: 00400000 00020000 "boot"

mtd2: 00400000 00020000 "recovery"

mtd3: 05000000 00020000 "system"

mtd4: 01000000 00020000 "JFFS"

mtd5: 08000000 00020000 "userdata"

mtd6: 006a0000 00020000 "cache"

mtd7: 00080000 00020000 "BBT"

When you updated using my ROOT package you flashed the "system". I am referring to "recovery".

Once I get a chance to hack "recovery" then DSTL1 users can begin to start using nice tools like those included in RA_Mon's Recovery Image (which is based off of Cyanogen's Recovery Image).
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Knock Off DSTL1

Woah! Looks like re-branded DSTL1 (aka knock off) has entered the scene: http://phandroid.com/2009/10/26/knock-knock-whos-there-sciphone/ SciPhone N21

I wonder if anyone has it. I wonder if my root package will work on their phone - should be same hardware a slightly different Android build... Would be cool to know! Anyone?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jlcd:
And there's one more...

http://www.mobile-review.com/pda/review/roverpc-twin.shtml

I've sent an email to an N21 owner.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] nadorsz:
Thanks for the rooted update link-update! Testing in 15 minutes... as soon as the download finishes.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
DSTL1 clones

Woah! Good to know! It looks like Russian RoverPC has 850 band! I don't think my device has the 850 band :confused:

By the pictures it looks like their firmware is General Mobile's! Which means my update will surely work on all cloned models... give or take language settings.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
I am working on a Recovery image for the DSTL1 (there is progress).

In the meantime, I ADB ROOT is possible for both Recovery and ROM... I have not released these because I don't think anyone needs them - they are mostly used by developers or to implement some sort of hack.

I will hold off on releasing a ROM build / Recovery image with ADB ROOT unless someone has a good reason for it. (PM me)

Please note that one can attain root in adb simply by typing "su" in the console and hitting "allow" on their device.

Remember, although DSTL1 users can now enjoy root it will only be beneficial to everyday users in the form of programs that require root. Otherwise you should hold off doing all the other cool root things you have been reading about (i.e. upgrading to someone else's ROM or Recovery)

Although if you are feeling brave, by all means experiment and share your findings here - but I warned you :)

-crzyruski
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Manufacturer revelations...

The DSTL1 was actually designed by a company called Yuhua. The board is called the X2. Found here: http://www.yuhuatel.com/english/x2.php Even Yuhua's site is sporting General Mobile's imagery, which must mean that General Mobile contracted the company to design them a phone or Yuhua actually stole General Mobile's better phone renders.

Which explains why there are a bunch of clones popping up. The question I am interested in getting answered is who developed the ROM for this X2? General Mobile branded the ROM with their logo, but images of NL2 and RoverPC both show a General Mobile logo... so maybe General Mobile redistributed the ROM while Yuhua provided that hardware (design). Notice also that Yuhua's site makes no mention of a Dual Sim architecture, but all the clones have it.

The hardware is not capable of 3G, Edge at best. But two different "band" packages are available: 900/1800/1900 MHz and 850/1800/1900 MHz

I use U.S.A.'s AT&T service with this hardware and it suffers greatly because my hardware lacks the 850 band - thus I am limited to only 1900 and AT&T's support on this band is weak (I get EDGE sometimes, mostly G). On the other hand had I gone with T-Mobile I would have been well off as they are exclusively 1900. Though I would have never reached 3G I would have been on a solid EDGE connection everywhere unlike partially with AT&T :mad:

The X2 also claims to be Digital Compass capable as well as GPS... I have seen 0 support for either - granted the phone comes lacking Google Experience applications, I have tried other software (i.e. Waze) that rely on GPS and they have failed. My goals are to get GPS working as it is a necessity to me - probably via external GPS and BlueTooth connection once General Mobile releases a 1.6 update.

As a side note the device is also available in CDMA flavor, but in silver. You can see the silver phone renders are all small unlike the black GSM one and none of them have a DSTL1 or General Mobile insignia.

http://www.yuhuatel.com/english/x2cdma.php
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] ikarishinjisan:
Hi crzyruski,

Actually, I have that phone and your rooted package works fine with it.

In fact, before applying your package, when I started the phone, before having the "Android" logo, Tux was shown.

And after "upgrade", this is now the DSTL1 logo.

One thing however is that the original kernel version was more recent (something like septembre 2009 instead of august. I don't remember exactelly).

So, that's not a big difference though. And actually, I don't see any "regression".

But at least now, I can set up my phone in some other language than English (which was the only provided language in the N21 version). And I hope to be able to do some other cool stuffs soon ;-)

For info, the bundle with the N21 is the minimum : 1 battery, 1Go mini-SD card, charger and USB cable (whereas official General Mobile comes with 2 batteries, a greater miniSD + its adapter to SD format, and a leather case).

No CD provided. So, to use the SDK with that phone, you need to use the driver which is available on the General Mobile website.

And as far as I know, N21 is exactly the same as the General Mobile. Actually, it is the same company that builds those 2 phones. It is just a question of branding and of market.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
wiki for DSTL1

I encourage you all to read and update the wiki for DSTL1

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jlcd:
Good idea !

This sounds nice...

"Next month we will launch Android 1.6 Donut SW. With this new software most our problems will be ended."
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
So who came first?

Honestly, another distributor?

Looks like QoolComm carries a few YuhuaTel devices...

They have:

X1 - which looks just like the Yuhua Xphone...

X2 - which looks just like the DSTL1, N21, and RoverPC Twin...

X3 - which looks kinda unique... for now.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Google Apps possible

DSTL1 is crippled (kinda) without Google Applications... It does not originally come with them, but that does not mean it does not support them in some form. The groundwork is there, you just need the apk installation.

Proof from /system/etc/permissions/platform.xml:

<library name="com.android.im.plugin"

file="/system/framework/com.android.im.plugin.jar"/>

<library name="com.google.android.maps"

file="/system/framework/com.google.android.maps.jar"/>

<library name="com.google.android.gtalkservice"

file="/system/framework/com.google.android.gtalkservice.jar" />

I will make a ROM release that will include Google Maps. And hopefully the IM plugin and GTalk will work out also.

-crzyruski
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] sfabris:
Your hard work

Thanks for your hard work crzyruski.

I'm waiting for my device to be shipped from China.

As soon as I will have my hands on it I'll try to help you.

Ciao

sfabris
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
Welcome

@sfabris

Hope you will join us soon.

Since you are ordering from China I assume you will be receiving the N21?

Currently my package has not worked out as expected for one N21 owner - lack of root access which the point. We are brainstorming solutions. One option is to enable ADB ROOT :)

-crzyruski
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] killdashnin9:
Question about phone

I cannot find too much information about the Sciphone Android phones anywhere and it looks like everyone in this thread has some good hands on time with an N21 or DSTL1. I am waiting a bit longer to see if a triband 850 or 1.6 really becomes available.

So far are you happy with the hardware and recommend it? I am really anxious to get one and see what can be done with it. Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] crzyruski:
About this thread.

This actually an inappropriate location for this thread - this is supposed to be an HTC only forum - but no one has yelled at me for it... yet. I posted here because the advanced modding / hacking community.

Now about my views for this phone.

I was looking for a simultaneous dual SIM phone for a while. As soon as I heard of a device that ran Android I was sold.

There are drawbacks:

Manufacturer doesn't have deep pockets for good support

Less support from the hacker/mod community - because it is not HTC and not as popular

-We hope for change and we are making stride

Proprietary ROM - no ROM source

HTC has ADP1 source from which most mods are based

General Mobile is the only source of support for the DSTL1 and it's clones - correct me if I'm wrong

Cupcake (1.5) does not handle screen resolution well - Donut (1.6) will fix this

Hardware may not be the best - but this is speculation

-Lack of GPS

-Lack of 850 band makes for not the best AT&T (USA) coverage - Tmobile (USA) probably better

-Lack of 3G

Most of this is a temporary problem, except for hardware... Hopefully external Blue Tooth GPS solution will work.

Now for the Pros:

Simultaneous SIM is very useful

-one SIM can be an "always on" data connection - except when using wifi (but this is a function of code)

-seperate business from personal

-international SIM and local SIM

-regular SIM and pay as you go SIM

624 should be faster than the standard 528Mhz going around

- this will be overpowered by future 1Ghz

5.0MP Camera + Flash is nice too

This is just what I have observed, others feel free to correct me.

Overall:

I like it! I just wish there were more mods for it like HTC devices, but this something we'll just have to pioneer.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] nadorsz:
I have installed Google Maps from an apk package, and it works quite well. Ofcourse, I cannot use the external BT GPS (yet), but there is a coarse location option based on the cells you are connected with.

1) i am using GMaps as a route planner, not as a navigation assistant

2) I wonder if it is possible to have a quasi exact location using the cell informations of both sim cards? It could connect to 10-12 cells with known geolocations, and calculate the current position.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] nadorsz:
DSTL1 is THE BEST dual sim android phone in this Galaxy! ;-)