yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 General] B-man007:
the g1 was released on oct 22, 2008....so you have 9 days atleast to get it fixed

call them and tell them its broken. they will fix it. however, after 1 year, the warranty expires
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
People who have enjoyed my Tilt and Fuze ROMs in the past/present, have asked that I continue to release GSM-based ROMs for the Rhodium, even though I have switched to Verizon Wireless.

Now that the Tilt2 is out, and I have the shipped ROM to work with (thanks herg62123), my first release is probably around 1 week away. The purpose of this thread in it's current state is to ask for volunteers to test a couple pre-release versions since I am not able to. Eventually, once some funds free up, I will purchase a GSM Touch Pro2 (AT&T/T-Mobile/Unbranded) for future hands on testing.

Initially, there will be 4 varieties released.

AT&T Shipped (-bloat)

HTC Shipped (-bloat)

AT&T WM6.5 23xxx OS

HTC WM6.5 23xxx OS
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Of course I underestimated the sheer size of this task when sitting here without a GSM device to test with, but I'm making steady progress.

v0.1: First release to a handful of testers.

v0.2: First release to anyone willing to test the ROM and assist with finding bugs.

I don't have a changelog ready yet, so I ask that you poke around and see how everything looks. Hopefully I figured out the installation of CAB files on first boot. If you do not have a 4x6 WM Start Menu after flashing, then I haven't yet. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Download Links:

LINK REMOVED (CFC Compression)

v0.2 Test (No CFC)

Password: "NATF Test - Do NOT Distribute" (no quotes)

The second link is just in case I broke Manila when I ran CFC compression.

-Edit- Yep, CFC broke Manila. Though I'm sure it's something I did, not the program.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Holding #4
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Holding #5
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jcc332006:
Will be more than happy to test away. Let me know when.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] guntcent:
count me in ill test it out for you man
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajbsn:
I'm in!! I have a T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 with AT&T plan.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Oh dear... they let anyone in here these days... :D.

I can do some TP2 testing if you want some help, PM me whenever.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dazkeirle:
would be happy to :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
I'll test for ya!

As soon as mine comes in, that is...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] iceman4357:
NATF- I am excited to see an AT&T person in here finally. More than life itself I want to flash a non bloated ROM, that wont run at 70% RAM. Count me in!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dbaser:
I would be happy to help in any way...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NexVision:
Ill test for you t-mobile rhodium here..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scockman:
Looking forward to it. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] saints5354:
Count me in, proud become ur tester...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Enrique00:
AT&T Tilt 2 - Coming Wednesday (hopefully)

I ordered mine Mon morning, so it should be arriving Wed sometime.

Ill test for ya!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajbsn:
Hi,

Is it available on-line? I couldn't find it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dougstoner:
Testing...

Looks like you have a few testers already, but I'd be more than happy to help test. (Tmobile)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p1um1oco:
I will be getting mine Sunday, I have been very happy with your original tilt ROM, and would be happy to help out testing of your Tilt 2 ROM.

-Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
Picking mine up tonight!!!

Time to play.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] YodaJM:
Have a Tilt 2 begging to be flashed and would gladly help you test out your new roms.

Edit: You may also want to look at this thread

We need the official AT&T Tilt 2 rom dump

because the shipped ROM on the Tilt 2 is build 21849.5.0.63 and I believe herg's rom is 21839. digitalmatrixio posted the raw dump of 21849.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] digitalmatrixio:
The thought of using the stock ROM that is heavily tweaked sounds awfully exciting. I remember when you released the Fuze ROM last year with 300 MB of free space. Here is hoping that will happen again. I am certainly in for testing the cleaned up stock-like as well as a 6.5.1 Tilt 2 ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
So, picked up my new Tilt2 tonight. I told myself that I needed to wait a couple weeks before I start tweeking and re-loading...

Well, after 3 hours: I'M READY TO LOAD A NEW ROM!!!!!

No Rush NATF, but I need to put my T2 on a diet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] noggind614:
i'd help as well. i'm just waiting for the .nbh of the stock tilt2 rom so i can go back if need be. i've been waiting to get my flashing fix in. i haven't flash in over a month and i'm having withdraws lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] digitalmatrixio:
Same thing here.

Unfortunate I am not having any luck with the kitchen otherwise we would already have a stock ROM for it.

Please check out http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=569949&page=2 if anyone could help with rebuilding the stock ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] l3it3r:
I'm looking forward to this! I loved the NATF ROMs on the Fuze, can't wait for the Tilt 2 ROMs!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mnmbybee:
Test

I am here to test. Count me in.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Arcarsenal:
I'd also be happy to test for you as well. One request however - could you not cook in a custom bootscreen to this ROM? There isn't any way to get the stock T-Mobile boot screen back after you flash over it, and I'd like to keep it around for warranty purposes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
The T-Mobile bootscreen will be available eventually. That being said, I have no plans to add a custom one yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] KewlRobD:
I have my Tilt 2 in hand and am willing to test for you. Can you post a link to the AT&T shipped ROM so that I can revert to it in case I need to invoke the waranty on phone at some point? Thanks for all your hard work
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BradleyH007:
After being a very happy NATF Tilt ROM and Fuze (6.1 an 6.5) ROM user, I would be happy to help test. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] livingspring:
Will love to
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] punkcell:
i would love to test ur rom.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
Rom

Sign me up!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lilchip85:
it might be late but i am willing to test :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanMc85:
just got the tilt 2 and I am aboard for testing, pending the at&t oem rom is available incase i need to revert for any reason.

- Dan
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Twiddler:
Need another?

I'll help out beta-testing if you still need volunteers.

I have a tilt 2 in hand... hmmm need to change my signature.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Thanks for all the volunteers. I think I have enough for now, so I'm gonna close the thread until the ROMs are ready. I will begin contacting people by PM around the middle of this coming week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Sorry for the delay... I got caught up in the Phillies and the NLCS. :o

I'm hoping to have the first test versions ready by tomorrow; some of them will be ready today.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] YodaJM:
I won't hold your Phillies destroying my Dodgers against you NATF :P
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
Looking forward to it!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Jola66:
Cant wait for this. Looking forward to seeing what you got soon
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] greatoz:
i'd love to

long time user of your Fuze ROMS, it's the least that i can do short of giving you $$$. ;) drop me a note, i'm down.

tGo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
I'm uploading the v0.1b test version of the HTC Rhodium ROM now, and will be sending out the first round of PMs soon. Please take careful note of the following:

I have not begun to tweak the ROM yet. So far, I have removed some files I deem unnecessary, but the registry tweaks have not been applied yet. I want to get a clean ROM with a stable OEM folder before jumping in.

The size of the stock ROM is 223MB, and my first release is 149MB.

Since I do not have a GSM Rhodium, I could not flash this ROM first, so there is a chance your phone will not boot after flashing. If this happens, DO NOT PANIC. Your phone is not bricked, and will simply need to be re-flashed with another ROM.

The password will be included in the PM you receive. I am only sending out a few PMs at first, but once I receive confirmation that the ROM boots up, I will send them all out.

Once again, thank you very much to all those willing to help get this going.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] digitalmatrixio:
I am Hard SPL'd and standing by.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] digitalmatrixio:
Some Screen Caps from the release....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] punkcell:
we coming for dat ass. Ny yankees
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] digitalmatrixio:
A few more screen caps.

I certainly have more free space than I did before. 287MB free after installing the MyMobiler viewer.

I noticed you did not add UC in yet too.

I liked your first boot screen that you added with your name in it.

The HTC auto config for the Data picked right up and let me select ATT. I was also able to make a call.

Toying around a bit more before I say overall how I feel about it....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
First semi-public release is up. The ROM is based on the shipped 21854 WM6.5 ROM from HTC.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] YodaJM:
Looks like the CFC compression of v0.2 broke Manila as the home screen is white with 3 lines and a 25 in the lower right hand corner.

I'm downloading the No CFC version of v0.2 now.

Edit: Flashed v0.2b and Manila is working correctly.

Notes:

Windows Phone install screen looks great

1% battery driver doesn't seem to be present

Runs at about 53% memory usage after a soft-reset with nothing extra installed

Will have more tomorrow...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Do you have a 4 column WM (not Manila) Start Menu? Or do you see any CABs available to uninstall? The Rhodium ROMs do not install CABs during setup, so I was not sure if they can still be added the same way as past devices.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] irus:
yes you can, just add them to the config.txt file also you can run from the sd card to but i think you have to edit the runcc.lua file have not tested it though.

what build are you working with?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
I figured the "CAB: \" command would still work. I do still need to figure out SD Autorun for the new setup.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] irus:
i don't think you need sdautorun at all. i have only read not tested but if you open the runcc.lua file in notepad you can add a path to the sd card
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] YodaJM:
Only 3 Icon in the WM Start Menu, but I do see your NATF 4 Column Start Menu in the Remove Programs list.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
Only thing I've noticed not working since the load is Voice Dialing via bluetooth headset.

It's been working great...

Any patches/updates for Voice Dial?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p1um1oco:
NAFT,

Thanks for working on cooking up a AT&T clean ROM for the Tilt 2, just flashed v0.2, things are looking good, no problems so far, everything I have tried has worked.:)

Thanks

-Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
I should have a stripped down AT&T build ready for testing by tomorrow morning. I will then move forward with v1.0 of the Rhodium GSM ROMs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcfarlan:
Bump...

Any progress NATF? Looking forward to the AT&T version....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Hit a slight bump with the AT&T build. It wouldn't boot past the splash at first, but I've got that ironed out now. I just need to tweak a few more things with RunCC, and we'll be good to go.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Update on where the new ROM versions are:

Although I take the SEPTA Regional Rail to work, which is running during the SEPTA strike, the added volume of bus/subway riders has made my commute to work 30 minutes longer, and my commute home 2.5 hours longer :mad:. Unfortunately, this is really cutting into what little time I have away from work. To make matters even worse, I'm on pager this week :(.

So in closing, I am currently unable to spend more then 1-2 hours a night working on ROMs, and with so many out there to update, it's going to take until early next week to get them all updated to a new version.

Thank you for being patient. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rkub:
Wow, thank you for being soo patient...lol An extra 3 hours on my commute would make me go insane...lol Hope that gets better for ya...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bennyj71:
Damn. An extra 2.5 hours! I feel ashamed of my 35 minute commute.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
Yeah, a tough commute for me is having to step over BOTH dogs to get to my desk...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] irus:
The Strike is over, i bet your happy about that... :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Yay! I have my express trains back! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ProjektFuze:
so what exactly do i need to flash with natf again?

which hardspl do i use?

and whats the program that i use on cabs on my pc.. once my phone is connected?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbratton:
Good questions!

Go visit the Wiki: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Rhodium

There is a lot of good info there. Under the ROMS header you'll find a Flashing Tutorial and info on Hard SPL.

Good Luck!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] shigeo:
hey just wanted to chime in my interest in a at&t version i have a new tilt 2 running on the at&t network/plan already hard spl and been flashing whatever roms looked good. ive gotten really good at doing back-ups, flashing and restoring over the years =)

i loved the work that you did on the original tilt and cant wait to test out your newest work =)

might flash the 0.2 to play around a bit when i have the chance unless the at&t ver will be out soon.

thanks again for all the work.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tofferbear:
I'm just getting my Tilt II today. Please let me know if I can be of any service. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] alexjose:
NATF !!!

Dear NATF,

i enjoyed your 6.1 ROMS :) for a quite a long time, but i am depressed :confused: because i am not finding a NATF 6.5 ROM recently in the listings.

Cheers,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Good news for everyone here! except me that is... I will have new versions of all my ROMs available by the end of the weekend.

Since my car broke down on the way to work today, and will cost close to $500 to fix, and won't be done until Monday afternoon (at the earliest), I'll be holed up in my house all weekend long. :( :) I'm gonna need something to do...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] turtle2472:
Wow, sorry to hear about your troubles. Though it is good for us on the bright side. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ProjektFuze:
sorry to hear that man... but for the happier portion of your news, i'm really excited... just got my tilt 2 yesterday and am already anxious to jump into flashing!! you made my experience so good on the fuze that i am now and forever a loyal natf flasher... no other roms will be on my phones...period looking forward to it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] barbo:
NATF - you are missed. I hope things settle down for you so you can join us again. Best wishes for the New Year. B
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] shigeo:
Hope that you had a great new years =) just wanted to check if there was any news on your new ROM?

thank you in advance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kimtyson:
NATF, glad to see you here. I still have my Tilt 1 with NATF V5 Final. The best ROM ever! So I am very excited that you are developing for the Tilt 2. Let me know if you need anything or are still looking for testors. It seems you have not responded to the thread in a while. I hope that isn't bad news. Happy New Year!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Superguy:
Hey NATF,

I enjoyed your TP2 build for Verizon, but I ended up switching back to AT&T. Are your future builds going to be more like what you built on the Verizon side?

Thanks,

Super
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] georgegkmscom:
Updated on new ROMs

NATF, I have been a fan of yours for quite some time. I thank you for all your previous ROMs which have made AT&T devices like the FUZE function the way they were supposed to.

I have been anxiously waiting for the updated ROM on the Tilt2. Please let us all know when you expect them to be ready. Your last message of having them by the 20th of Jan gave us all a glimmer of hope.

All ok?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Hey guys, just wanted to stop in while I have some time.

I don't know when I will get around to releasing new ROMs. I'm keeping myself as current as possible in private, but I do not have any ETA on releasing ROMs publicly. I've got a lot on my plate right now, and I'm lucky if I even make it to XDA 3 times a month.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rightjb:
Hope all is ok. We will be waiting for if you if/when you start cooking again!
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zbrinski:
Hi all. I've been looking for this issue around the net and haven't found anything.

I've sent 1 sms with 175 letters (it's not much) and the phone divided it in 4 and charged me for 4 sms's. I have the maximum size for messages set on 300k (I guess it means 300 letters or dots or whatever).

Does anyone gets this in their HERO?

Anyone has a solution?

Thanks in advance :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] seanyowl:
sms messages contain a maximum of 160 characters including spaces, if you sent 175 characters including spaces you would have been charged for 2 sms messages.

The 300k limit you are talking about is for mms messages. If you sent the sms as a mms then the charges you would incur would be dependant on your provider.

You have to pick either sms or mms depending on what your sending the software will not guess for you.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBrit:
Also if you sent an SMS containing any 'special' characters it would have been sent in Unicode which in this case each character will occupy 2 bytes. I can see how you ended up with 4 messages.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] vikeor:
by your user name, i suppose your Polish? Using Polish characters (ąęółńżź) uses up more "sms space" just like TheBrit wrote.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zbrinski:
I didn't use any special characters, only letters, dots, spaces and comas. I'm Portuguese, so I use regular characters.

I would accept to be charged for 2 sms´s, but 4?? it's ridiculous.

This must be some kind of a bug, this has happened before, but only now I realised something was wrong.

Thanks for the replies.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Luna K:
I have a similar problem... when I type normal sentences, the letter-count is ok.. but when I type a letter that you can select when holding a letter (e.g. you hold the letter "o" and you select ô) the message-count jumps automatically to 2 or 3... it's really annoying... is this also a bug?

;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
No, it is correct behaviour if you are using a character that isn't represented in the 8-bit ASCII character set. As has been previously mentioned, unicode characters effectively take up more "space" than a regular character - the SMS 160 character limit is based on using 8-bit characters.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Luna K:
that's pretty sh**y :p

thanks anyway ;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] zbrinski:
I found out that the limit in my Hero is 145 characters, but if I type only 3 special characters like é â ç, the limit drops to 63 characters in 1 sms. Just by typing 3 letters like those (ê ç ô) I lose 82 characters. Could this be a network provider limitation for sms's when using non 8-bit ASCII characters? Or is it the phone?

Anyway, this very annoying we have to type incorrectly to be able to send a bigger sms.

:cool:
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TheBrit:
Because they are non-ascii characters the whole message has to be in unicode. Unicode can have characters up to 8 bytes to cope with things like chinese or japanese charcters. When using the extra characters used in some european languages the character set uses all 2 byte characters - even for 'normal' ascii chacters. The 2 byte charcter set is part of Unicode and is known as UTF-16. Normal ascii is also known as UTF-8.

This is not your phone's fault or even the network's fault. It's just the way things are. Read about it here.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ssj5trunks:
In my hero i dont see the number of characters during I write the SMS!!!

Why? Where is the settings to show it??

Bye
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stilghar:
No, it's not. With other terminals this isn't happening. It's a bug in Android code and it's supposed to be fixed in donut. Let's see when the fix arrives to the Hero.

More info here: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2719
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
That is *not* the same issue! Related in a way, yes, but otherwise different.

The point that "TheBrit" and others are making is that use of a unicode character set effectively means each SMS is going to be less than 160 characters. The fact that there is a bug in Android when a long SMS message is split is a different issue.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] stilghar:
I think it's the same issue.

http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=2600

This one is merged with issue 2719. Two different problems only one Android bug.The SMS application does not manage extended characters (accented chars, ñ

char and others) correctly. A extended character takes more space than a

normal character. Don't know how other handsets do this, but you can use extended characters and be within 160 chars! No need for unicode eating the chars.