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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ivwonka:
I think I would delete the account and then set it up again manually. Try different port numbers. Better yet. Forward everything to gmail and use it instead. push is awesome (except attachments still don't work right, but imap is easy too).
[Hero, G2 Touch General] realmrealm:
I just spoke with my local best buy (south elgin, IL)

They said that you can buy the Hero on saturday (10/10), and then someone said something to him, and he says "oh, are you a rewards zone member?" to which i said "yes". he told me that reward zone members can buy it on friday (10/09)!!

Enjoy reward zone members, enjoy!

-AndyS-

Update: called Best Buy in Crystal Lake, IL and they confirmed it.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] toaliosis:
I can confirm this too, going to pick mine up tomorrow morning.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Orangeandblue302:
yea I can confirm, for anyone who lives in Delaware, the best buy in Christiana will be selling on Fri to RZ members but, unfortunately, the huge Best Buy in Wilmington hasn't got their shipment yet and wont be able to sell Fri.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ajones7279:
Actually, it's RZ members on Friday, and everyone else on Sunday, the 11th when it releases.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] katmandu421:
+1 here. I called tonight to confirm that they had them in, she made it sound like they were already there ;)

I became a rewards member online just before I pre-ordered, but it didn't seem to be that big of a deal. I didnt get a coupon or anything. I would recommend stopping by tomorrow anyways even if you aren't a RZ member,though they may check the system. You may be able to just sign up there.

The Moment announcement got me questioning my pro-order, though...

I prefer HTC
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ajones7279:
That's because they are. :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Raspster:
hmmm, I went into my local BB and told them I was a reward zone member and they said I needed the coupon that was sent thru email. I then called the BB 1800 number and they said I would only get it tomorrow if I had the coupon... So I pre-ordered it like 2 weeks ago, have been a reward zone member with BB for years now, never received a coupon and people that never even pre-ordered it will get it before me?!? What crap!

Also wanted to know if this version of the Hero will play youtube videos in high quality over EVDO as well as WIFI. I know originally the GSM version only did it over WIFI and some people that rooted it were able to trick the youtube app to play HQ over 3g too. Hope it just comes HQ out of the box.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] katmandu421:
From your sig it looks like you are at least currently with ATT. I've been with sprint for years and they have never limited anything to wifi afaik. With all the smart phones I've had I've never hooked any of them up to wifi and been able to access all the services., but cannot comment specifically on HQ Youtube.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Raspster:
Yea, my primary phone (work) is at&t but I do have a sprint line as well. The only reason I question it is because the original GSM hero was limited to the regular crappy youtube quality and you would only see high quality when you were over wifi. Only later did someone hack it with rooting it and you were able to extract a file and change the values to view all youtube videos in HQ over 3g or evdo for that matter. Hope sprint changed it.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] katmandu421:
Yup, just confirmed. Just go in the menu on youtube and settings, view HQ.
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] taekimon:
I installed the Blackstone HTC calculator to try. But when I uninstalled it, the original calculator wasn't restored.

Can someone please tell me how I can restore the original calculator? Thanks.
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] Noob13:
Htc great look

you can replace Calc.exe with htc don`t forget rename Htc file to calc.exe

and copy to windows Dir
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] GuestD2021:
Is this what u're lookin for?

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=547676
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
So I'm curioous how this new data plan requirement works. Is there anyone out there who didn't have a $30 data plan when they got the Pure, and still doesn't have a $30 data plan?

If you had a $30 data plan added when you bought the Pure, was it added automatically by the system when you stuck your SIM in, or did the sales rep add it?

If you did not have a $30 data plan before you bought it, and the rep didn't add it, can you check the Online Account Manager and see if the Pure shows up but your data plan is still not the $30 plan?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] rev12:
Prior to purchasing the HTC Pure I had the unlimited family data plan for $10.00. I purchased the Pure at full retail price, as I was waiting to see if At&t would come out with some new devices before the end o f the year. As of today my data plan has not changed. The retail clerk did not offer or suggest or state that I was required to change my plan at the time of purchase. So I still have the $10.00 unlimited family data plan on my account.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] flyboy009:
I used my upgrade to buy the Pure so I was required to get the $30 data plan. Before I was still using an old 2125 (aka htc tornado). The unlimited plan for that was only $15 per month.

The data plan requirement is supposedly based on the device you are using, but when you buy a phone they only check your account if you are getting the upgrade discount for the phone.

If you buy the phone without the contract then that would explain why your data plan hasn't changed.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
For those of you with ATT you may be able to pay less for data like I do on T-Mo. Not sure what the equivilant Data plan to the $9.99Web2Go(formerly T-MoWeb $5.99) is but I get full web capability off of it with my unlocked phones. If I log onto My-Tmobile online and I put my phone as a WinMo phone My T-mo Web (GrandFathered in @ $5.99 :D) goes away and I have to choose one of the $20+ Plans. So what I do is choos a low end phone as my device and I have the option of using my T-Mo web service. (Unlimited Data Baby)

This may work for ATT. I'm not familiar with ATTs site so I can't give direct directions for this but mebe you can do it. After doing it go to settings>all Settings> Connection and connection setup and your phone will automatically configure the settings. You probably wont even have to reconfigure the settingd. But you will have to be carful on what you DL because the low end data plans now have caps on them so you can only DL so much.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
Well I don't have the phone. I am just trying to confirm that if I buy a Touch Pro 2 no commit my data plan will or will not automatically change. I figured there must be someone out there who bought a Pure that can confirm this once and for all- one way or the other.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] loriolus:
I'm waiting on the Pure which I ordered online on attwireless. I bought it retail, no commitment and didnt't change my current plan. I will be adding the $15 data on the line I will be using the Pure. I currently have an unbranded phone on that line and can add any feature myself on their website. Something tells me that I'll get by.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
Nice. good to see that AT&T has a way to bypass the expensive plan like tmobile. Not many peolp know they can change plan options online.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
Well we're all hoping that the "back door" way to use a $15 data plan works. But AT&T has been saying your plan will automatically get a $30 data plan added to it when you put your SIM card into any AT&T branded smartphone.

That's why I started this thread- to find out if they were bluffing or if they are serious.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] loriolus:
I give you an example. I gave my 3GS to my wife and she had the first generation iphone with the $20 data plus messaging and they're yet to figure out that she's using the 3GS with a cheaper plan.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
Intresting. I know T-mobile can see what phone I have (Topaz) and that it's not Branded. But if ATT automatically switches your plan with what phone you have that is total BS. Unlocked or Branded it shouldn't matter. It's non of their buisness.

That's cool. They only say you need the high data plan to use all the phone features so they can make extra money. They could sell the phone without the data plan if they wanted and leave it as a side option.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Headroom:
AT&T finds out quickly what phone you use. I changed my sim from my unlocked Tilt to a Sony W580i, received 2 calls, made none, loged in to my AT&T account & there it appears my phone as a Sony W580i.

How do they find out& is there a way to get them from finding out?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
Nope. They find out from the SIM card. It tells them which phone it's inserted in. Whenever I call Customer support for T-mobile they know I have an unlocked phone. They don't care. Not sure if AT&T cares. But on T-mobiles website I have the option of choosing which phone I'm "using" on my account. It doesn't automatically choose it for me unless I put my sim in a T-mo Branded phone.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Archpope:
I have been with AT&T for >7 years now. For the last 4 years or so, I've had a MediaNet plan that's $20 for All-you-can-eat data and 200 text messages. I've had 4 phones since then, 3 of which have been smartphones. I just checked my plan a minute ago, and it's still the same one.

There is an inertia built into the system. Unless someone goes in and specifically changes codes, they stay there forever. I'm still getting a company discount for a company I haven't worked for in over 2 years. Whatever codes you have in place will stay there. They know what phone you have because of the SIM card, but that has no effect on the codes.

The exception is the iPhone.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] player911:
I have the $25 unlimited data plan that has 200 messages and unlimited "in-network" messaging (SMS and MMS).

AT&T is sending me a Pure as a warranty replacement when their 4 broken Fuzes didn't work. They never said anything about automatically upgrading my account.

We also upgraded my wife's old a$$ samsung Blackjack to the new Samsung Jack because it is supposed to get a WM6.5 upgrade soon. The guy said the upgrade was supposed to require a data plan. I just said she doesn't use data just likes the keyboard for SMSing... he quick to move on. No problem at all.

I think it's stupid that they even had 2 different data plans based off what phone you have. Total crap. They tell me that my phone is "too fast" for the cheaper data package and the internet can't keep up with it. lol.

AT&T is already expensive for their services. We pay like $140 for 2 freakin' phones; 1 with unlimited SMS and mine with Data. Outrageous. We almost pay more for the 2 addons then we do our actual voice plan.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
Holy wow that's expensive. I pay $56 a month with taxes with unlimited data and 1500 messages. My sis and mom are on a family plan and pay 80 some odd dollars with messages. (No data for them).

Crazy how 3 phones is nearly the same as 2.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] elrooster:
I just bought a Pure for 49.99 as an upgrade and one condition was to add the 30 dlls Data Plan. Att they don't sell you the phone if you don't add the data plan, thats what I've been told for one of their representatives. I had a Tilt for the past 2 years paying only $15 dlls for unlimited data, on my account appeared the tilt but on their system showed a Nokia 6682 phone. They didn't make the change from Nokia 6682 to the Tilt I don't know why. I bought the Tilt two years ago over the internet on Black Friday. Now it shows the Pure but with the 30 dlls data plan added. One thing is for sure if att finds out that you are using a Smartphone they will add you the 30 dlls data plan automatically and may charge for past months.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] badersk:
How did you get them to sell it for 49.95?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] saint168:
I thought I'm paying a lot for my phones but yours is worst. I have the Tilt with Unlimited data+200 message, my wife has the iPhone 1st Gen and my son has a Samsung phone with unlimited msg (no data). My monthly bill is about $140.

Since I'm already on the $30 unlimited data plan on my Tilt, is there a way to switch back to the cheaper plan?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] elrooster:
On tigerdirect.com they have it as an upgrade for 49.99 and the Tilt 2 for 199.99 free activation also.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] rdannar:
I ordered the pure and kept my old 3g simple card.. I have 15 plan unlimited data... after recieving the phone I called said I was using my old phone and wanted to change my plan back to 15 a month... they changed it to 30 when I ordered the pure.. because ididnt use new sim they still think its old phone.. don't plan on ever initilzing new sim
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] am_tre:
Hello. Is there any update or clarification to the original question?

I am interesting getting this phone on the AT&T network without a dataplan. All I need to do is buy the phone unlocked? Put in the sim card from my Fuze and I am good to go? Will they automatically upgrade my data plan service or leave it alone? I am confused because a moderator on howardforums said an unlocked phone will be fine.

Thank you
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] nuwayman:
have you contacted att yet about it? as far as i know if you buy the phone outright/no contract resigning then you are not obligated to a dataplan. its as if you bought a phone from ebay inserted your sim card and your good to go. some phones like the iphone, in order to get that cheaper discount price is because you are resigning for 2 more years and signing up for some sort of data plan. not sure if the pure has that requirement or not. i bought mine at no contract price but already had a data plan from the fuze.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] jbedoya:
They will force you to have a Data Plan. Check the September invoice, a note in the first page. Starting on Sept 5, they wll force a Data Plan accoprding wich whichever phone they detect you are using
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] player911:
True, but if they want to break the contract by telling you that you have to have additional plans to use your existing services... then thats a "get out of jail free card"

Now if you purchase a phone after September 5th and you give in to the data plan... then take it off, but they put it back on... then thats different.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] cnpthe3rd:
data plan change

you MUST change to any of the current data plans if you buy the pure (or any other phone) at a discounted price if you pay full retail and do not sign a new contract you ARE NOT required to change a thing
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
See that's the way I think it is and should be. That's the way it is with T-mo and a reason I don't want to get a phone subsidised. If I do that = new contract which means that instead of $5.99 unlimited data I would have to go for the $25-$30. not worth it in the long run. Much rather fork over the $400 for a phone than pay $300+ each year for something I currently pay $72 a year.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
I agree that is how it should be. Unfortunately, that is NOT the way it is. You are required to get a $30 data plan, even if you pay full retail for the device.

AT&T may not be enforcing this too tough, but it is the rule. And the rumor was that in December or something like that, the system is going to do a major sweep and bust everyone that has a smartphone without a $30 data plan.

I hate to say it, but the rumor makes sense too. Most of the people who actually have a smartphone but don't have a $30 data plan, are the geeky types who read forums like this and know the work arounds that allow them to get it for cheaper. And those are also the same people who are the "early adopters" when a new smartphone comes out. And if they do a sweep in December, it will be just late enough where all of those "early adopters" of the Tilt 2 and Pure are now after their 30 day return window and locked into the agreement.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
Intresting. I would respond to say use a cheap AT&T pre-paid phone with your SIM in it the whole moth of DEC or when people strat complaining of the change to their bill then switch back to the smart phone.

Or after your bill is changed switch phones and change your plan to the cheap internet. Then put the card back into your smartphone and see if that don't work.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
Or just go to Sprint where it's cheaper anyway and the Touch Pro 2 has the real keyboard layout and a 3.5mm jack.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
Some of us don't care about "real" keyboards. I can keep up with TP2 owners pretty well on a soft-keyboard.

But the 3.5mm jack sounds good. But all HTC phones from now on will have them as standard and Sprint is still expensive.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
Sprint is expensive? What are you talking about? Sprint is the hands down cheapest national carrier. I am in the process of porting my numbers to Sprint right now from AT&T. I am getting more than double the minutes, plus unlimited GPS, unlimited Sprint tv, unlimited data, and unlimited messaging- and it's costing me about $100 per month less than AT&T. Plus the nights and weekends start at 7:00, and all calls to and from any cell phone, on any network, are free.

The only drawback with Sprint is it's CDMA (and their customer service is horrible). So there is no easy SIM card swap, and you can't use voice and data at the same time. But there is no question that it is cheaper than AT&T right now- especially when you start talking about a required $30 data plan on AT&T (while Sprint has unlimited data included in their plan for no extra money).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
All those you mentioned above are more reasons to avoid Sprint. Mebe you switched too soom. T-Mo is starting new Plan Pricing. (Tomorrow I think) Not to sure on the date but soon. Article HERE

This Pricing is for a 2yr contract with a subsidised phone.

This Pricing is if you pay full for the phone with no Contract.

So if you want cheaper not Sprint. I'm cool with my unlimited 5 (300 whenever, free nights and weekends), 1500 txt and unlimited Data for $56. (taxes included)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
I'm aware of T-Mobile's "Project Dark" (which is what those plans you listed are). The only reason I waited this long to sign up with Sprint was because I was waiting for the new T-Mobile plans to leak.

Those comparisons are not really telling the whole story though. Why? Because with Sprint, on the "Everything Data" plans, you get free unlimited calls to and from cell phones. So the only thing your minutes count for are the calls to and from land lines. In addition to that, the nights and weekends start at 7:00. So you are only using minutes for landline calls during bankers hours on weekdays.

So if you are using the device for personal use, you don't need an unlimited minutes plan. They are comparing the prices of the unlimited plans, but they should be comparing the everything data plans. I don't know what sprint offers businesses as I am a personal user. So I am only talking about consumer plans here. I'm sure they have something good for business users too, but I'm not going to say for sure because I have never researched it.

Here is what I got from Sprint today, and you tell me if it looks expensive...

Everything Plus Data Family Plan:

Unlimited calls to and from all cell phones on any carrier

Unlimited GPS (Sprint Navigation or whatever it's called)

Unlimited Sprint TV

Unlimited data (smartphones are not any extra)

Unlimited messaging (SMS, MMS, etc)

Nights and weekends at 7:00

1600 minutes

4 lines sharing the plan (all Touch Pro 2 smartphones)

Subsidies on all 4 of the phones at $250 each ($150 instant, $100 mail in rebate)

Total price: $140 per month

Mine will actually be a little more because I got insurance on all 4 phones, and roadside assistance on 2 of them. So with all of that added to everything else, it is $176 per month (insurance is $7 per line, roadside assistance is $4 per line).

And keep in mind, the nights and weekends start at 7:00. That is 2 hours earlier than on T-Mobile. Those 2 hours per day = 2400 minutes per month. So it is the same as a 4000 minute plan on T-Mobile, where the minutes only count if you are calling a landline during peak hours on a weekday.

So even though mine isn't technically "unlimited minutes" like the T-Mobile plan, it is still unlimited as far as I'm concerned. There is no way I will use 1600 minutes to and from landlines during bankers hours. Most of my calls are to and from cell phones anyway. And even so, in the chart T-Mobile is about the same cost as Sprint for the plans that include data. They are listing the Sprint Everything plans right next to the T-Mobile plans that don't include texts and data.

I don't think T-Mobile has anything that can compete with the 4 line Sprint plan I signed up for today. Even if I pay full retail at T-Mobile, I would still be paying more than the price I got from Sprint with a $250 subsidy on each device.

I just don't see how anyone can look at that and say Sprint is expensive. The way I see it, they are about as far from expensive as you can get. They are the cheapest ones at the moment.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
To each his own. But it still is CDMA.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] WatermelonSlim:
Yeah, CDMA sucks. There's always a catch, and the catch with Sprint is it's CDMA, lol. Well, that and their customer service is the absolute worst in the industry.

My plan is to use it for a year and then switch to Verizon when they get their LTE up and running. Or even switch back to AT&T if they get their act together. There is no way I should be forced to increase my data plan if I pay full retail for the device.

T-Mobile is on the right track too. I came pretty close to switching to T-Mobile. My plan was to sign up with sprint over a week ago. I waited until today because I was hoping T-Mobile would be a little lower priced with this whole Project Dark thing.

Who knows, maybe next year T-Mobile will have some new deals out there that are cheaper than what they have right now. Because I would certainly rather have GSM than CDMA, no question about that.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] HTC Touch Freak:
I don't think AT&T will ever get their act together. Only thing they have gotten right in the last 8-9 yrs was making the switch over to GSM. Well kinda right atleast. :D

So it looks like project Dark has the wrong pricing for the Simply Everything on sprint. They say it's $189 with 2 lines.

I think T-mobile is in it for a good fight. They started off the summer with the Loyalty plan and now project Dark. Who knows what will happen next year. Especially if they actaully do start rolling out that 4G.