yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] garytaylor1974:
WOW i didnt expect a massive response for my question but i thank you all for your responses
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daniehabazin:
that's not true, my phone gets so sluggish sometimes that i can't answer a phone call, the phone doesn't register that i press the answer button. and when that happends i usually have like 20 mb of free ram.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Just as a matter of interest, do you use swapper or AppsToSD?

My phone never gets into the situation you've described, but even though I do have the full version of TasKiller, I almost never use it, and I don't see a need at present to use AppsToSD.

In addition, I'd imagine that having a swap partition would cause an issue with Androids own memory management, since I guess it can't distinguish between real and "virtual" memory. So where a "non-swap" device would start killing processes, a "swap" device would just continue on regardless because it thinks it still has physical memory available.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Luna K:
Yesterday I downloaded "Advanced Task Killer Free"... anyone who has experiences with this? Is is better than just "Task Killer" or is it just an updated version of "Task Killer" ?

thanks!

;)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kendong2:
have been using atk free for a while (lol 2 weeks since i got the hero) now, i really like it. its advantage over all other task managers IMHO: it has an ignore list, things you ignore are not shown in the running tasks list. in the list you have check boxes, where you can select the tasks that will be killed, and this list is remembered. for example "htc sense" is on my ignore list, but "music" is only checked, so i can uncheck it when i don't want to kill it while listening to music. next time i want to kill music i just have to tap the checkbox, no dealing with the ignore list here...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Sausageman:
I get this problem a lot, and in answer to fox meister, I don't have AppsToSD.

I don't know if the problem is RAM or CPU related, but the CPU often jumps to 100% when things are really slow.

Is the issue likely to be background apps, or widgets even?

:(
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Daniehabazin:
Same for me with the processor.

When i reboot my phone i usually have 90 mb of free ram, after starting a few applications, like browser and phonebook, it plummets down to 20 mb.

I do have some extra applications that starts as services, like systray monitor and 3g watchdog.

when i open atk after a fresh reboot i see that some applications that i don't even use is started, like footprints, settings and calendar, even my webrowser is started, whats up with that, can it be disabled?

I think the issue is that we have some applications that autostart withous us using them, and also programs that we download that autostarts as services and maybe having memory leaks...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] kmartburrito:
I came to chime in with my experiences of the CDMA hero and sluggishness.

I watch memory like a hawk (thanks Mogul) and I too have around 80-90mb free ram on start, but it can get down to around 30 rather quickly. Once it gets down here, I notice that screen transitions and random lag occurs in apps. If I go into Advanced Task Killer and kill many of the stragglers, my menus are as smooth as can be.

It is most certainly NOT a placebo effect.

One thing I really like about Advanced Task Killer (pay version) is that it has the "Auto End" feature, where it will kill all apps not chosen to be excluded at the interval that you choose. For example, I have determined the system applications that need to be on all the time, and I've excluded those. Every hour, ATK kills everything else. For the most part, my Hero hovers around 70MB now at all times, although it can get down there to around 30-40MB if I'm right around the 1 hour mark.

That feature alone makes it much better than Taskiller IMO. Totally worth 99 cents :)
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shahpur.Azizpour:
This definition would imply that android works exactly like the iphone osx? I mean saving "screenshots" of the last state of an app. But NOT having real multitasking?

Because it's not possible to have multitasking and at the same time "inactive" background apps everytime you hit the home button...
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
No, you've not understood the explanation.

The iPhone will always* terminate an application that isn't on its list of "approved" multi-tasking apps once it isn't active any more (i.e. you've switched tasks).

Android will try to keep whatever it can in memory, but eventually will start killing processes in order to keep the system running.

So, if you're on an iPhone listening to something on Spotify and you want to browse something on the web, the iPhone will "kill" Spotify when you switch to the web browser. On Android this won't occur except in the most critical of resource low situations, but then again, I'd imagine other apps would get killed before Spotify.

Read this article, specifically the section from "Component Lifecycles" onwards specifically "Activity Lifecycle", "Saving activity state" and "Processes and lifecycles".

Regards,

Dave

* Unless it has been jailbroken!
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Maybe i have read the explanation too fast. ;)

So Android will EITHER deactivate (kill) an app in the background OR keep it alive. Killing it only if RAM or other ressources the app takes are needed.

Still i'm not convinced that there is no need for a task killer. Having a lot of background apps (with still some free memory left) the device tends to be slower. Not only with scrolling but also noticably when opening apps.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
If you have lots of background apps that actually performing tasks, of course it may appear slower because the CPU is having to do more work.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shahpur.Azizpour:
So there we have it. There is a reason for Task Killers after all! :)

I'm using advanced task killer since day 1 on my htc hero and i'm very happy with it.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
Erhhh..... no.... that doesn't logically follow!

If it was performing useful work, that you actually wanted it to do, why would you want to kill it??

So you've not actually tried letting Android manage itself?

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shahpur.Azizpour:
well of course that does logically follow: Just because an app DID perform a useful work, doesn't mean it has to stay ACTIVE in the background forever.

Android will keep every app open in the background as long as there is enough ram (if i understood correctly). BUT i don't want EVERY app that i once opened to REMAIN opened. There are MANY apps which i don't use frequently, therefore i want them to be killed when i'm finished using it. Android OS can't know which ones are affected, thats when the task killer comes into play, in order to specify WHICH tasks to keep open (ignore list) and WHICH ones to close (kill).

I think thats makes a lot of sense, as you already mentioned the CPU ressources which will be additionally used if i keep everything open.

BTW: yes i tried it without a task killer for a short period of time, but wasn't happy with too many open apps in the background. What i meant was that i'm happy with advanced task manager from day 1 i used it, not day 1 i got the htc hero.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
It *doesn't* stay active in the background forever! Again, I urge you to read the article that I linked earlier. When I was referring to "active" jobs in the background, I was referring to those *still* performing actively whilst in the background.

I'm afraid you don't understand correctly! ;)

Again, the article I quoted earlier explains this. If you launch an app which has no background processing functionality, when you switch to another app it will consume no CPU cycles, but will retain its memory footprint all the while is process is still alive. However, quoting from the article:

So, Android will kill processes even if it is not in a low memory state.

Yes, if you go and start 20 applications one after another, the phone probably will slow to a crawl until such time as the Android process manager catches up and kills whatever isn't required. It that situation, it may be more expedient to use a task killer, because you may be able to get back to normal quicker. However, Android would eventually catch up and do this job itself.

The point is that Android is pretty good at managing its own resources, but it will do so according to its own schedule and priorities. With a task killer, you are achieving much the same, but according to *your* schedule and priorities, which is fine.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] carrozza:
Interesting discussion, people! Here are my 2 cents.

With my Hero I don't use any task-killing app and am quite happy with it.

Mind you I'm not an hard-core app runner, I use in rotation Gmail, BeyondPod, Browser, SMS and other 2-3 apps.

Very seldom the system is a bit sluggish and the issue is solved with a reboot (+ o - every 2 days).

Not too annoying after all, keeping in mind all the cool things this devide perform constantly.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shahpur.Azizpour:
Thanks for the explanation. I'm really just trying to understand how Android works, so please bear with me if i'm stating the same thing to often. I will also read the link you gave me. ;)

I feel that it wasn't clear what i meant when i said: i don't want every app to stay open. It is clear to me that apps which don't have active background processes are NOT the Problem.

But this is only one part of the story. Who said that i will only want apps closed that don't have "active" processes in the background? I also want apps killed that DO have "active" jobs in the background, depending on the frequency i need to use them. Just because an app is providing the functionality to do stuff in the background, it doesn't mean that anybody using that app will require the background activity to be always there.

So the Android concept may make sense on a purely technical view, but as a User, i want to decide which Apps and which background processes i need to be active, and which ones are expendable because i just don't need them to run in the background.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Shahpur.Azizpour:
yeah and a reboot takes forever on the htc hero, so it might be easier to just use a task killer to speed up things...i switched from windows mobile to android in the hope that we wouldnt have to reboot the device as often, because it was said to be much more stable. And while Android is indeed much more stable than WM, it still has enough issues...
[General Questions and Answers] mehras.arak:
hi i have jasjar it not stay on bootloader screen . i have hardreset it for several time . how cam i install windows on it . i think my jasjar dont have bootloader. and i try orginal rom on it didnt work plzzzzzzzz help me
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] Arctic Matt:
Here's my list.

1/ Fring - it's definitely coming and "will rock" according to one developer.

http://www.fring.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8336&page=8

2/ Wikitude Drive - Augmented Reality door to door worldwide navigator. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReH9dmqfOqA

3/ Mezzofanti - Augmented reality through text recognition. It's crazy what they could do with this app if it works. It just seems too science fiction for me.

http://www.itwizard.ro/

Has anyone else got a list of stuff coming up that gets them going?
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] matt6gsr:
Biowallet

http://www.biowallet.net/

Secure your folders woth your eyeball? SWEET!!
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] dsjr2006:
Slacker Radio

http://www.intomobile.com/2009/10/07/slacker-radio-coming-to-android-and-windows-mobile.html
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] djbrutale:
new video

youtube.com/watch?v=WtG0kNt4hNA
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 General] creso:
help pls...after i upgrade my blueangel ,touch sreen becomes not that accurate...pls help....is thre any paTCH for this......
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 General] yuppime:
Did you do the calibration setup part?
[MDA III, XDA III, PDA2k, 9090 General] creso:
help

yes...still no change ...i even changed mydigitizer but hell..still no change ...just waste ma money...pls,,help
[General Topics] itsme_waqas:
Hello forum members, i have an Imate JAQ3 running thr stock WM5.

but i want to upgrade it to WM6 WWE asap.

I have looked around but didnt find a useful thing at all.

I thought if someone here might help me around ?

Impatiently waiting for a positive response.

thanks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] troupix:
Thanks :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Thanks for the info! :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] diizii:
Thanks for info. Also looking for answers to your questions. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 3lixir:
nice work :)

I wouldn't call those ugly fat buttons in the later versions "eye candy" though, seems people are split over how helpful they actually are, having tried them myself I found them to be unnecessarily large and wrecked the look of Manila. But each to his own I suppose, looks like that is the direction they are going with Windows 7

oh I believe the rtm version and the one on leo are the 218xx builds, they are far more stable and work well with Manila, you won't see any of the later fat button builds until next year at least.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Hmm... although the buttons at the bottom often don't look very nice - if they're skinned the right way, the do look great. And using MaxTTM to make the top and bottom bars transparent, it looks even better! And I just love that I no longer have to stretch my small hands all the way across the screen just to open the start menu or tap X ... ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Interesting info, should shed some light for noobs and junior members alike.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] forelli:
A few comments, if you don't mind.

Nice day all!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] NeoS:
Good to see some members are actually reading into the matter.

Good job!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] 3lixir:
I skinned the buttons too, (or just use the htc black theme) but still think they are needlessly too big and push the rest of the screen up, and having start at the bottom just doesn't look as smart and spoils the symmetry, it's seems tacky and clumsy in my opinion since it was designed with Titanium in mind and not htc sense .

Personally I think they should put an option to have the large buttons in the "accessibility" or "ease of access" section in settings along with the large font size and text to speech options.... ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kostas66:
Just an update (if you want to insert it in the firt post): Manila 2.5 1920 is out.

Regards,

K
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] diamondX04HT:
thanks...useful info in a single post... :)

pls keep it updated if you can ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aryan79:
23016 and previous were not finger friendly ...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] NeoS:
Nominated for a sticky if you ask me.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bodgeman:
thanks for this info - its cleared a lot of confusion for me!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] eddyve:
Hi Mameingast,

Can you please explain me how you have skinned these buttons? I have been looking for the names of these buttons, but couldn't find them.

I would appreciate a little help very much.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] varitimos84:
check out Miri's v29 roms.....they are 21869

(your threat is very usefull!!)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Hey!

The way the buttons look is part of the WM-theme you choose. The one I use is called "htc black theme" (someone else here already mentioned that theme). With it, the buttons are no longer buttons but only the symbols - which already looks alot better to me.

And for the background including the bars you have to use MaxTTM (search for it in the theme section). It has a WM 6.5 option to get the background image to stretch behind the top and bottom bars as well: You have to open MaxTTM, head to the WM 6.5 tab and check a few boxes there. Since my HD is broken, I can't check the correct settings atm, but I'm sure someone else can help you with that! Also, there is a manual for MaxTTM which should include some useful information!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jino:
Thank you very much for your info. It is very useful for the junior like me.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Major_Sarcasm:
Just some info to update the first post with: The screenshot attached is taken from Hellonasty's MaryOne v0.03 (which is bloody excellent by the way).

Good idea this thread. Hopefully, the OP will keep it updated.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] helgan:
Thank you very much!:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] moziconnect09:
Hi i am a major noob if thats the word is i have also been doing my research seen a few youtube videos and so far i have seen a lot of versions and no where to download them...

AND BEFORE YOU REPLY WITH NASTY COMMENTS!!.........

PLEASE PLEASE can someone suggest a rom for me which is similar to that of the touch hd 2 interface .

as i would like to run windows 6.5 with htc touchflo 3d 2.6 - ( ALSO WOULD HELP A LOT IF COULD RECOMMEND ONE THAT HAS NO BUGS IS STABLE WORKS FINE , LOADS FAST AND LOOKS NICE AND COLOURFUL)

any suggestions surely some of you may already be using a rom type that fits the description so please do suggest a download link or how i go about getting one as i dont know which chef to go for ..

REMEMBER I AM A MAJOR NOOB AND NEW TO THIS FORUM BE KIND PLEASE

THANK YOU VERY MUCH IN ADVANCE.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Are you seeking a basic rom which looks just like the HD2 (aka the Leo) or would any stable Leo rom suffice?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] moziconnect09:
" Are you seeking a basic rom which looks just like the HD2 (aka the Leo) or would any stable Leo rom suffice? "

Hi thank you for the speedy reply sorry for asking such a dumb question but whats the difference between the 2?

i just want the sleekier colourful look of the hd touch 2 with its touch flo3d 2.6 as the stock version of the htc touch is really not doing ut for me.

so if possible could you provide me with a link to 2 of the latest versions that have that touch hd 2 look and ui ( windows 6.5 + manila 2.6)

thank you laods in advance
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] moziconnect09:
SORRY FOR SOMANY POSTS IN SUCH A SHORT TIME HOPE THERE ISNT A LAW AGAINST THIs

i got 3 youtube video links with what i am looking for but apparently am new so not yet allowed to post outside links.. so can send to email address to those willing to help..

PLEASE HELP ME AS I AM EAGER TO JOIN THE FAMILY OF FLASHES AND ITL MAKE ME APPRECIATE MY HTC TOUCH HD MUCH MORE

AGAIN THANK YOU TO ALL THAT DO TAKE THEIR TIME OUT IN ADVANCE.....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
For flashing assistance read the first few posts in this thread mate. It's a step-by-step dummies guide. You'll have no problems if you follow it

As for which rom to use, try the one in my sig, I'm sure you'll enjoy

Any further questions about flashing should be posted in the dummies guide thread
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] WoodyBoy:
Greetings Ypsmav,

This thread is definitly a sticky, I use it for some time to light my way.

I see a lot of talk about the 28238 and I can't find much information about it or any clue of its major flaws and advantages, do you already know something in-deep about it?

Thanks

FM
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ypsmav:
Hi, I've updated the first post. 28240 is out.

I haven't heard too much about it. Pls advise if you try it.

I've read that the 21680 is working really good.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
21680 is a really good build. Very fast and smooth. Looks like 23XXX build's but stabler and faster
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bulldog:
Any one made a comparison (bit to bit) between 21680 and 24635.. looks like they are almost the same build.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
I'll have a look later this evening and compare
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] salem-sy:
Just how can i update Arabic lung on this Amazing ROM

Thanx all

^_^
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rsdgangster:
This Roms get stuck when I flash them at tap the screen

Can someone help me??
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kapie:
can you also put download links to those versions? I'd like to try them myself ;0
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
This thread is only for providing info on rom builds. It does not provide the rom links. For these you need to browse through the rom threads in this forum and choose one. Each thread title should state what rom builds lie within
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kapie:
i know about rom flashing, but for making my own (noob) rom, i meant that with testing
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ypsmav:
Check this thread to download the windows monile builds for your kitchen.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=650783
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kapie:
thx, i always wanted to cook a rom myself, but i sucked with my first try xD. Will try again. thx for the link
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] o1s3:
Thank you for the great info on the roms.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nick7up:
Thanks for this add(Info)...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] michoob:
FYI, there is a new build 23151 of the very active COM3 branch.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] michoob:
FYI, build 23152 of the COM3 branch is out.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] yasin1:
thnx

thnxxx:Dedddddddddddddddddddd
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] styler_RO:
need some help

hello all!

after 1 year i wanna to update my HD and i need advices.

PLease help me to find latest modded wm6.1.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
In this forum (Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development), most if not all rom threads have [ROM] in the title along with date and either 6.5 or 6.1. If date or build is not included in title, a quick look at first post in each thread should give you all these details. Shouldn't be hard to find a recent wm6.1 rom ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] michoob:
@styler_RO: if you have not tested WM6.5, I would really advise you to test it. It runs as fast as WM6.1, if not even faster, and it is more user-friendly.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] styler_RO:
tks guys, i will try 6.5. i hope wil be OK with IGO8, i mean no lag. But so many versions ....:confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kapie:
I can reccommend wajk's blackSTONEHENGE, which is (I am almost certain) the fastest WM 6.5 ROM. You can choose to a rom with either sense 2.1 (which is like touchflow3D from stock ROM) or sense 2.5 (from HD2). Sense 2.1 is much more fluent, but 2.5 looks better :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Can we keep this thread on topic. Please post questions in General forum

Ta
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] michoob:
NRGZ28 released this week a cooked ROM with build 29017.

I thought developments have stopped on Windows Mobile 6.5.x.

Where is that build coming from? Can we expect other builds in that branch in 2011?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] TjRoidz:
Thanks

Thanks for the info! :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ypsmav:
Updated with the latest builds.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ypsmav:
29018 is out!