yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
and I hope the first answer isn't just: Buy iPhone instead of complaining. And if you call yourselves a bunch of good programmer then make a program with nice interface like iPhone's apps instead of ordinary conventional WinMo apps...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] hanackin:
the only ewplanation dude is that WM phones are corporate oriented instead of the Iphone.

Apple also spend lot of money in advertising to let people know about the iphone and hire lots of sbcontractors in order to develop games and apps.... so that is why lots of programmer and designer are working with the Iphone...

But I think this is going to change in the next future as HTC finally understood that the need to spent money on advertising :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
Nice answer... thanks... ^^

But, you know moTweets right?

The super cheap Twitter client (only US$3.99) that Panoramic Software developed.

It has a very nice GUI like iPhone, got complete and perfectly-working feature as well.

And this morning I asked Panoramic to develop Facebook application as well, since there is no single good/decent Facebook application for WinMo yet.

I asked them to make Facebook application for WinMo with nice GUI like moTweets and the functionality like Facebook for BlackBerry.

And here's their answer to my idea (we had conversation via Twitter) @PanoramicSoft: "We will definitely consider creating a Facebook app for WinMo. Thanks."

So, just tweet them and give them a vote.

They're surveying whether they need to develop this app or not.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] FloatingFatMan:
Yes there is. Microsoft developed one.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/en-us/downloads/facebook.mspx
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
Yup, I'm aware of that software. But is it a good one? It just a failure I think. Can't even load the NewsFeed properly, need manual refresh to get the current feed. What I mean is: the one that got feature like BlackBerry's Facebok program and nice iPhone-like GUI.

And forgot to tell you. Do you notice that Microsoft's Facebook app just stuck at 1.0.0.7p with no future development?

Me, personally won't count it a program, its a complete failure and crap that Microsoft released to fulfill user's demand for Facebook app. Am I wrong? ^^

Cheers... ^^
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mccoffein:
Hy,

i think that apple has a brilliant marketing strategie for iphone. But not more!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
No, you're wrong. We, as a bunch of good developer, surely can make programs like iPhone one. isn't the GUI just a drawings after all? If we can skin our ordinary apps into something eyecatching like iPhone's app, then why not?

You know the fact: Blackberry got nice working Facebook app, iPhone also got one. What about our so called legendary OS WinMo? The oldest even before iPhone. Not even single decent Facebook app!!!

Am I wrong?

If you count the Microsoft's Facebook app as the good one, then I guess it can't be helped. But I'm really not satisfied with that not-working program.

Some men see things as they are and say why - I dream things that never were and say why not.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xtremez:
Since the first reply was not just go get an Iphone, this reply should be good enough. Just get an Iphone then
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] twolf:
Well, WM is much older, so most apps out there are still ugly and stylus-dependent. :(

Also it was first made for businessmen, not the common user, we just adapted it to our needs with TONS of amateur freeware here.

And since the iPhone is new (and because of that, vastly superior on video card and CPU), there arent ppl around with old hardware.

And dont get me started on the games department... stop making frikking puzzles and start making quakes! :mad:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] WoZZeR999:
I think the main issue is the SDK. There are a lot of easy libraries for the iPhone that make it easy to make a nice looking program for the iPhone. WinMo is starting to add some nicer looking buttons and stuff to it's library, so hopefully around WM7 time, people will be creating stuff on an equal scale.

The other big issue for WinMo as opposed to iPhone, is that when you are devoloping for the iPhone, you only have 1 screen size, and 1 hardware spec to deal with. With WinMo, you have to account for all of the different phones and different hardware.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JudgeDredd67:
Where is this nice GUI for the iPhone you have been talking about? I have yet to see anything but a bunch of icon for a GUI?

So if you look at these two images you would chose the iPhone GUI over the WinMobile one? Long story short, we can make our WinMobile's look like an iPhone but can they make there iPhone's look like WinMobile? Yes there is a lot of new cool stuff out there for iPhone as far as apps go but how much of it is free and how much of it is actually useful?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nemoid:
that's android, not WM :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BarateaU:
I agree totaly with TS. All the winmobile applications looks like crap, they look the same they did like 4-5 years ago, there is a "arcade pack" for touch pro, and seriously I think nintendo 8bit has better graphics. Every application always looks like crap games look and work like crap. You guys always say that HTC phones are mostly made for office people but seriously have many of you actully are office people and not techis like me? I love the htc phones, the idea of having a mobile with windows is teh ****. I think winmobile phones could be 100% better then Iphone, it's been around alot longer then iphone, iphone has been around for 2 years and it kicks htc's asssss!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JudgeDredd67:
The phone in the pic may be android but, my phone looks just like this and it is not android.

Here is a link to my work. http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15732
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] k.electron:
with windows mobile u can multi-task.

there is developer freedom in the winmo world. u can get a cab from xda and install as opposed to the facist apple world.

most winmo apps are free.

nuff said.

i will not deny that winmo applications look like a telnet window, but we are slowly getting there. im expecting a lot from winmo 6.5 and 7. 7 might just even be the best smartphone os out there will multi touch, finger friendly ui and a great development platform. not to mention microsoft is really giving good incentives for the market place so that should kick off well too.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] BarateaU:
I dont see the likness in of an android thou it looks really good. But i like touchflo3d, you got everything integrated like musicplayer etc.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] mccoffein:
Agreed! I think so too!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] WoZZeR999:
This argument isn't over which platform is better for everyday use, it's only about the UI of applications. There's no doubt, the *average* program on the iPhone looks a lot better than the *average* program on WM.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
But now, it's used as a standard PDA-Phone instead of businessman.

And most of my friend use WinMo PDAs like TP2, but they only use it for game, facebook, and stuffs.

About hardware, the iPhone's hardware isn't better than today's PDA. Well, the big issue maybe the VGA driver. Today's WinMo isn't equipped with decent VGA drivers. But, blame on the PDA's maker for it.

And about game, I totally agree with you. Stop making those card and tetris game. That's why WinMo isn't well developed. Developers just need to start making those 3D games like -again- iPhone's. There's no better games than iPhone's.

We got far more superior hardware, but why? Why ppl never utilize it? They only make those card and tetris and puzzle game. 2D ugly boring game.

And one question: Can the devs just make a new app with futuristic GUI? Again: Panoramic's moTweets got nice GUI. iPhone like GUI indeed.

About screen, I guess you're right. But what I'm talking about isn't the screen size. It's about make those button image looks futuristic and more eye catching. It's about art and graphic design right?

And not to speak bad about MS. I simply lost faith in MS. MS' simple program, their Facebook program for example, can you count it as a good program?

Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?

Yes, its the ICON and buttons and sort of that things actually needed in WinMo's apps.

You see that we got far more superior hardware than iPhone. But why wasting that resource?

As developers, we can make something useful (not like a bunch of useless crap in iPhone) but in such an artistic way. Just replace those old button with glossy button and more futuristic shape. Isn't that just a matter of making the graphics? Is it really need a SDK to create those graphics?

Another example: Palringo messaging got nice GUI as well. So y'all know I'm not promoting moTweets.

Yup, I'm totally agree with you also.

This all WinMo's apps are great programs but with crap GUI, in fact this nowadays WinMo's app GUI is like WinMo 2003 app GUI.

And you got my point.

How slow, even Microsoft don't have any good intention to upgrade such a small program like their Facebook program. And I really laugh about WinMo 7. More bugs will come while the old bugs still there.

The WinMo 7 will got nice GUI indeed, but we're talking about the apps. Take the SMS app for example. It just like the oooolllllldddd WinMo's SMS GUI. Look at iPhone's one. Even though we got threading SMS as well but the INTERFACE is really ugly.

Am I wrong?

Yes, that's what I'm talking about. You get my idea. I'm comparing the apps and the GUI especialy.

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The question is: Is it really hard to make a good buttons and icons and you know; just to mention a few of it: some nice messaging box, glossy and round-edged button, transparent icon, remove the left-right and up-down old navigation bar that used for scrolling and replace it with kinetic-scrolling, etc etc..​
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vn1minh:
A few things to keep in mind when comparing iPhone and WM devices.

Under the hood:

1. Mac creates both hardware and OS parts, so their OS has direct access to the hardware. This gets rid of incompatible issues between the OS and the hardware.

2. For WM devices, HTC creates the hardware, microsoft creates the OS and drivers. Both aren't willing to share each others APIs, so there will be alot of incompatible issues between the OS drivers and the hardware. In this case, the VGA chip. Thanks to the xda folks, now there's an existing 3D driver for HTC devices.

Developing-wise:

1. Developing app for mac, developers don't have to worry about device incompatible issue because there's only 1 device spec.

2. Developing app for WM device, there are plenty of device specs to consider before starting a new project. And most developers would want their app to run on multiple device specs.

3. Mac does a much better job of creating SDK as all of their components are nice looking and finger friendly.

4. WM SDK got alot more components but all of them are ugly looking and aren't finger friendly. Most dev would create their own finger friendly components.

Creating a nice looking app isn't hard. the difference is that Mac pays people to do it whereas WM fans create it on their spare time. :o
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
The last part about pay and free apps is true. But again, even Palringo got nice interface and still free. :p

And about SDK, I don't really get it. Isn't the interface is just like a bunch of graphics (BMP, PNG, GIF, etc)? Take another example: SBSH Touch Calendar got very nice interface. Again: Midomi that ripped from Omnia i8000 ROM got nice interface as well. So, it's about the willpower; whether they will make an app with nice interface like iPhone's or not.

Am I wrong?

It's true that this WM devices isn't like iPhone, it's a lot of incompatibility in WM devs because of the things you mentioned above.

But, it isn't about the hardware issue or SDK.

Pointing again to nice program that you can look as an example: Panoramic Soft moTweets, Palringo, Samsung Omnia II Midomi, Samsung Omnia II SharePix, SBSH Touch Calendar, SPB MobileShell.

Why they can develop such nice looking apps without any trouble you mentioned above? Some of them are free. :D

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About all the answers above, I think some of y'all misunderstand me. I recommend y'all to try to use moTweets or SBSH Touch Calendar first and post your comment here. Y'all here will know what I mean since the beginning of this thread.:D It's not about the maker, model, type ,or anything else, its the graphics that I'm talking about. Not the iPhone based or WM Based or BlackBerry based bla... bla... :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vn1minh:
Those are nice apps because most of what you see on their apps aren't components in SDK that microsoft provided. Those are their custom components they created and they got really good graphic designers. :o

How good an app looks is completely based on the graphic designers. How well the app functions is completely based on the programmers. If they work well together = those nice looking apps you mentioned above.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Shidell:
Crescendo Xenomorph,

I'm guessing you're not a developer, as otherwise this would be obvious--so allow me to explain.

The "controls" you're so frustrated with are from .NET CF 3.5. Buttons, textboxes--these are "controls" that are integrated into the Framework. When a developer is using .NET, they can simply pull these controls into their form and adjust them as necessary--adding input, options, etc.

However, that's it. There's no ability to add sparkle, graphics, etc. natively this way. The only option is to edit or write your own controls, which (beyond taking a substantial amount of time) also proves difficult, as that's all native code.

Additionally, because Windows Mobile means PPC 2003 -> WM 6.5, your "controls" have to be able to work on any device that wants to run your Application. .NET CF 3.5 ensures that--but can your custom controls ensure that? What if the resolution of this device is different? What if there is no 3D acceleration on this device?

Truly, if you're upset with the quality of controls, then your argument is with Microsoft.. and if that's the case, then please get in line, as all of us developers who'd like to do something not only business-oriented have the same argument. Controls and forms in Windows Mobile (through .NET) are ugly and plain as can be.

Here's hoping Microsoft revamps that ideology for WM 6.5 and .NET CF 4.0/Visual Studio 2010.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Crescendo Xenomorph:
Yup, I'm just a techies not a programmer. :D

Now I know where I should address this "ugly-looking-apps".

Coz I'm really so upset that even though I got good PDA, the apps is just like the old telnet window.. Geez..

I should contact M$ till ther hear my argument. Coz this nowadays apps is so ugly. Seems that WinMo apps' interface today is just like old WinMo 2003 apps' interface.

Thanks for the explanation Shidell. :D
[Non-Touchscreen Windows Mobile Other] nickctrl:
Hello,

I'm actually using a Palm Treo 500 with a faulty radio ROM, which is hanging after few hours if 3G network is activated. As soon as I force it on the GSM network only, it becomes very stable. But for a 3G smartphone ... it's a little bit anoying :-(

I've flashed it with WM 6.1 Rose ROM from Caramba_sda. This ROM is very fast but as it doesn't include a Radio ROM, it has not solved this specific problem. The phone still hangs after few hours on the 3G network.

Is anybody able to provide a fully working radio ROM for the Treo 500 ?

Thanks in advance.
[8125, K-JAM, P4300, MDA Vario Software Upgrading] Owec:
Hi,

im cant find on xda-developers solution for my problem :-(

my WM "X2H_WM6.5_v4.8" cant start. sometimes wizard show number for typing PIN and light off...

so i followed this http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=298613, but no working :-(

i get to bootloader screen IPL and SPL 2.26 , when a connect USB (in bootloader) is displayed USB on screen. i downloaded wizard_love rom (as in tutorial) a i tryed to upload to wizard, but romupdateutility say me, that device is not connect :-((

i have windows 7, flash by VMware workstation, where i have installed XP

can anybody help me pls?

(sorry for my English :( )
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ganondolf:
hi,

has anyone got the ms tag app to work on the x1.

when i tried it, it could not find the camera.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] killer8nl:
When cooking into a rom you have to recmod it. Then it will work.

About the standalone cab I don't know
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] comeradealexi:
worked for me when i download from their site
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Mopral:
Same here...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ganondolf:
do u still have the cab u installed, if so could u post it.

i get the same cant find camera error on my x1 (which is not on the list of phones) and on my htc touch dual (which is weird as it is one of the listed phones but i have a custom rom.

on the x1 i have the official SE R3 rom. which rom are u using?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ganondolf:
i have got ms tag to work on my x1 (using the official uk SE r3 6.1 rom)

i installed the htc touch dual cab from the ms tag website (on the list of phones but htc, then scroll down to touch dual).
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Crank1:
:confused: Slightly off topic, but Im in the UK and cant remeber seeing these tags anywhere or have I just been walking arround with my eyes closed lol. The app / principle sounds great but will I be able to use it?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ganondolf:
i live in the uk and i have not really seen them either but i think next year we will see them, think they are around at the moment but only in a small way.
[G1 General] Fingerlickin:
An Interesting read. See attached.
[G1 General] supremeteam256:
You know I'm at work and can't dl a .zip file. Care to explain what it is or am I going to have to wait til I get home and have an overwhelming feeling like it's christmas.
[G1 General] derfolo:
iPhone wins, Android/Palm come in second. The final paragraphs:
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] idremel:
Hello,

I have problem with updating ROM on my Xperia buyed in T-mobile (Croatia). I made backup of my ROM, and when I tryed apply new ROM over storage card without PC (holding VOL DOWN + PWR button), first it shown display in few colors, and then it wrote "loading..." and he never loads anything :(

When I try put up ROM over Windows program (CustomRUU) turns off my mobile, then it show screen in few colors, connect with USB, and show next screen with progress uploading ROM, but he doesn`t want upload, progres bar stays on 0% and after minute windows update program wrote an error with connection :(

Do You know meaby what is the problem?

BR

Ivan
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] tedbearmeadows:
Hi guys!

When i log onto the internet (in Opera) and turn my phone sideways

to see the web page in landscape mode, my phone switches to the dialling

screen (with the number pad and last recent calls.)

My phone has only recently started to do this, and ive had no problem before.

Anyone know how to fix this?

Thanks!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ILLustRAYt:
Hi all,

I'm a noob, so please go easy on me. I have always wanted to have my PocketSNES as one of the nine programs on my HTC Home Customizer Program Launcher. However, although it is installed and properly functioning from my storage card, it does not appear as one of the programs on the list that HTC HomeCus provides me with. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] cproaudio:
It's easy. Make a shortcut in windows\start menu\programs\Games of the PocketSNES.exe Then the program will show up in whatever UI you're using.
[General Topics] chocula81:
After many searches in google, i have finally found a review (made by mobile@mail.ru) of Acer´s 1 ghz Snapdragon pocketpc.

It seems a good (and cheaper) competitor to HTC Leo and Toshiba TG01...

Original in russian

English translation by Google
[General Topics] tbfl:
Tri-Band HSDPA including ATT 850 ?? Can that be right ?
[General Topics] lude219:
Wow! the SPB benchmark index numbers are much better than the Leo. Very impressive on Acer's part.

Acer F1 (Leo)

Spb Benchmark index

2055.57 (1597.12)

CPU index

6875.36 (6494.18)

File system index

1006.03 (747.02)

Graphics index

2308.95 (1988.03)

Hopefully the Leo's performance will increase when beta testing of the software is complete:)
[General Topics] 8525Smart:
Hmm, as someone not very familiar with SPB Benchmark software, would anyone mind telling me if having an increase of 400-500 points is a significant improvement or is it in actuality just a small improvement?
[General Topics] hdubli:
I confirm 720p video playback.Battery is good.
[General Topics] lude219:
I wouldn't say it's significant, but enough for you to take notice. Another thing to be aware is the fact that (i think) the released TG01 has OGLES2.0 software whereas the Leo in beleforte's testing was a OGLES1.1. Once the Leo is released with the final software, I'm sure both of their numbers will be somewhat identical as they run on the same hardware.
[General Topics] raven2000:
This has been renamed to Acer neoTouch. The only thing missing from this phone is lack of ROM support :(
[General Topics] moppegaard:
I know how you feel but I just ordered on today. AT&T 3g was what tipped the boat in Acer's favor.
[General Topics] hdubli:
get ready for custom ROMs for F1..:) ..this might take a while..may b a weeks time..
[General Topics] Ouzo:
Thanks for posting this link chocula81 - I'd been looking everywhere for a review. I guess your Google skills are much better than mine.

I'm seriously tempted by this phone as it's so much cheaper here in the UK than the Omnia II, not to mention the TG01 and the Leo. More importantly, it's available right now too!

I think the lack of short term support is going to make me wait though, especially as it seems to lack a reasonable TouchFlo alternative.

I hope Acer sell a truck load of these at HTC's expense so that the latter has to drop their sim free prices ; )
[General Topics] ilordvader:
Only sold in U K Site

Any sellers in Usa ?
[General Topics] moppegaard:
I ordered from expansys usa. Last night they showed several on hand but they seem to be gone this morning.
[General Topics] 8525Smart:
I see. Thank you very much.
[General Topics] style1:
Acer NeoTouch vs. HD2 I can see how there can be a comparison...but after watching both videos the HD2 is far and away the better phone for its lack of windows screens (ugly white screens with text aka SMS page) and its responsiveness. You clearly see the difference between Capacitive and Resistive screens if anything during the slide to unlock sequences. Both phones are running snapdragon and it still seemed like the HD2 was light years ahead in terms of fluidity of the total device. But I will say, for the price the NeoTouch is one helluva device, and if this site backed it, it would be a powerhouse of a device
[General Topics] :
Expansys usa added 100+ acer f1 to there stock, il be buying one very soon.

Edit: i miss read and also call them, they said they will have 100+ acer f1 in stock in 6 days or more ><, guess il have to wait.