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[Hero, G2 Touch General] dannyzen:
If I know XDA well enough they'll be able to extract the Sense UI pretty quickly. Further, I could see rom cooks build this into future custom roms on the Samsung Moment.

Call me advantageous coming from a Touch Pro scene. I have complete faith in custom roms as they have provided real value to the TP with innovation pushing the scene.

After living with a slide out keyboard I find it much more reliable than a touch screen. So I'll be going with the Moment (unless another awesome device is released!)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] daviss:
I too am in the same boat as the others. With the announcement of the moment I am now puzzled at what route to go. I really would like SenseUI and have it natively built for my device like on the hero but im certainly a keyboard junkie. I will have to get both in my hand for a bit to be able to decide. If the build quality of the moment feels anything like the pre ill be off to the hero in a heartbeat.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tstack77:
Buy the Hero now, it'll be that much quicker till your contract expires and you can buy the Dragon in a year (18 months if not a premier customer)...

$.02
[Hero, G2 Touch General] fildrigar:
The res may be smaller than the Touch Pro, ( which I just switched from ) but the screen is bigger, and it really looks just fine. I have an easier time reading the web with the Hero than I did with my TP. I wasn't really sure I could deal with a non-hardware keyboard, but am finding myself doing just fine with it. That said, November 1st and the Moment are less than 30 days away, and I don't think we've seen all the specs on the Moment, I'm looking forward to some of the Phone review websites getting their hands on one to see what they think. I imagine that someone somewhere will find a way to pull Sense out of the Hero, so it can be installed on other Android phones.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kmartburrito:
Doesn't the Samsung only have 256mb of RAM to the Hero's 288? That could be a dealbreaker.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Lessthantito:
Moment

+hard keyboard

+cam flash

+800MHz processor

+AMOLED screen

-optical trackpad

-thickness because of hard keyboard

-unknown if this phone is going to be able to be rooted like an HTC

Hero

+HTC/xda rooting

+sense UI

+trackball

+HTC widgets

-ancient 528MHz processor
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kmartburrito:
Moment

-32mb less RAM, probably couldn't run senseUI even if ported

-No confirmed multitouch

Hero

-32mb more RAM to feed memory intensive apps like senseUI

-Multitouch

There you go, FTFY :)

Before I get flamed on my comment about the RAM, My hero can dip into the 20s with using senseUI's heavy amount of widgets. It can start to feel a little sluggish at that point too, so the extra 32mb is crucial IMO to running senseUI well.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Limlin:
If I were you, I will choose HTC cause I'm using HTC phone and familiar with its interface as you mentioned. Maybe to be familiar with another brand will take e some time.:D
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kmartburrito:
Ha, I think it's funny that even on that page you linked, it mentions the moment having 256MB of ram TWICE, and 288MB once. I'm betting the 288mb was a copy-paste error from the Hero or something. I've seen 256 everywhere I can look for it, except for one site, which listed it @ 253MB.

Either way, I guarantee you that you'd rather have RAM than CPU at this point. Every single one of you getting the moment would want to put Sense UI on it if they ported it right? That S.O.B eats RAM like it's going out of style. Flash forward a year from now and maybe it will be more of a concern, as the app market develops and more 3d intensive apps arrive, but by then Sprint will have released a snapdragon device or something greater, and many of us will have bought a new phone. Just my .02
[Hero, G2 Touch General] jman069:
Hoping for more Ram, but agreed :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mike21pr:
thats my plan plus i prefer the hero also. the moment is ugly IMO and not having senseUI (not just the widgets, i mean all the HTC's Android app overhauls) is a dealbreaker for me

now.... where is that Dragon?????
[Hero, G2 Touch General] jman069:
just seen this new virtual keyboard from Samsung

http://www.androidauthority.com/index.php/2009/10/13/upcoming-virtual-ketboard-from-samsung/

good thing is if open source we'll see it on any device. I'm still waiting for something as good as my iPod Touch but HTC's is nice :)
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
You should try Better Keyboard from the Market. I bought it yesterday, and thus far it seems that I'm more accurate on it than I am the HTC keyboard. The only thing I'm not so keen on is the aesthetics of it, but I know it can be skinned so I'll look into that at some point.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] tduck:
My main quibbling points on the Moment: No trackball, and no SenseUI equivalent.

Luckily I'll probably be holding off on making the plunge until after the Moment is released anyway. But I really want to know how crappy the touchpad is, and what are the chances of ever getting a SenseUI-type of Android skin onto the Moment, Samsung's first Android device, which is CDMA, which is yet another strike against it in the ROM building world.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] chuckhriczko:
Ok. Just found this post which is why I'm bringing it back from the dead (if 12 days old is dead). Anyway, here are my $0.02.

I am a G1 owner and very familiar with the G1 rooting and dev scene. Cyanogen, Drizzy and all the others are amazing (I still miss Haykuro as he was the one who introduced us to Hero in the first place). On the G1 (which has 192MB RAM) I have an optimized version of Hero. It runs excellently. Very speedy for a phone with almost 100MB less memory. Now here is my point. The 800 Mhz processor in the Moment will actually be useful if an optimized Hero Rom is created as that is over 50 MB more memory than the G1.

Now, here is my other, and more important, point. I only saw this posted once and the guy hit the nail on the head. This is a Samsung phone. XDA is an HTC only forum. Therefore, will a new section be created for the Moment? I hope so but remember guys this forum is for Android AND WinSlow so not every Android phone will make it. Trust me, I hope it does. The possibilities for Moment roms could be endless but I wouldnt get your hopes up unless somebody can confirm if we will have a Moment section.

Either way, I need to get either one in a week. I will probably hit the Hero. XDA has a great community and from the G1 hackers to the Hero hackers we have great devs working on this stuff. Hero is a great phone and I will most likely end up with that. And if anyone asks why it's taking so long for a phone with a better processor, look at the price. The only way to get such low priced phones is by having a slower processor. And don't say anything about the Pre because that was higher priced. :)

Thanks for listening all.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Aridon:
Those of you saying the web browser is slow on the Hero, turn off flash. I get significantly increased speed with the loading times on the browser without flash enabled.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kylez64:
Hero gets 2.0!

http://htcsource.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=791&Itemid=50

It seems HTC is skipping 1.6 and going to 2.0

makes sense. why push an update to 1.6 when 2.0 is around the corner? :cool:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rlfleck1981:
Yesterday evening I purchased the Samsung Moment. Upgrading from a Treo 700wx of course a Windows OS with this phone. Would love to understand how to port/copy the Sense UI to the Moment.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
HTC has the best built quality of all current android device manufacturers, and HTC Sense kills the competition when it comes to Usability and Style. The widgets motorola introduced with blur are a bad joke. Really nothing to rave about.

Of course you could wait for modded roms to get the Sense UI on other devices, but why bother? Get an HTC Hero or wait for newer HTC Devices with even better Sense UI, like the HTC Dragon.

IMO Samsung Moment has no chance against the HTC Hero, it just brings nothing new to the table.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] darkerhelmet:
Just got home with the Moment - thankfully Sprint (love ya!) allowed me to trade in my awful Touch Pro.

This is the best mobile phone I have every used. It feels solid, keyboard slides in and out without that cheap clunky feeling on the Touch Pro, and without any technical or otherwise experience with Android, I really like most of it. There are some issues, probably because I just can't figure it out (only had the phone for 3 hours), but no date on the 'home' screen, no way to see the battery percentage, and no easy way to sync my MS Outlook contacts and calendar.

Hopefully in a couple weeks after the market has been saturated, I can find some Web sites with helpful info on manipulating the Android interface.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Indiana Jones:
Moment vs hero.

i returned my hero and got the moment. this phone is much better. much much more responsive. i feel like sense ui is bloatware now since the hero is so sluggish. i dont mean to bash the hero. ive owned both HTC phones and the iphone. this phone seems closer to what all android phones will be like now. and the hero seems outdated from the get go. "best build quality out of all the android phones"? are you serious? i had dust in my screen and creatures nesting between the screen . the only bad thing about the moment is that it does not have the backing of this amazing community of developers. that being said it is not the duty of this community to clean up what the hero does not provide.seems like htc should just pay a salary to these guys (xda) that work hard making these phones badass.

im not saying you should run and return your hero. you should not build yourself hype for that moment you actually handle a "moment" and you get that dreaded stomach ache of regret. which might happen or it might not.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] GeekLee:
I have switched from the pre to the hero. Almost on the verge of switching my hero to the moment.... However i love the SenceUi concept.. I cant live with out it... I love the HTC widgets....etc.. I am use to the virtual keyboard because i have the HTC touch.... Both phones are wonderful... I believe it is up to the individual... All android phone IMO are nice phones it is just the hardware that makes or brakes the phone.....
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
i have a unbranded hero and: no dead pixel, no dust under the touchscreen, everything fits tightly. I had HTC devices starting from the MDA Compact (HTC Magician), and HTC always used better materials than Motorola, Nokia and co for their flagships (brushed aluminium for HTC Magician was really cool back then). Of course they are not always perfect, but still feeling way sturdier than the plastic competition (i don't know how good the moment is though). And after the recent firmware update the Hero is fast enough. The 2.0 update it will be even faster i hope.

The Sense UI helps a LOT, especially the contacts app, as well as the browser and many widgets (not all of them are good). The pure Android OS is too bland IMO, and the samsung moment widgets look like nonsense. i definetly DON'T want all the tweets i follow to be displaed ONE BY ONE on the homescreen twitter widget using text bubbles. This is the worst twitter implementation idea i have ever seen. This is also valid for facebook. Both are sources which will produce a lot of content during a day, and homescreen widgets popping up text bubbles for each update is a nightmare.

I'd rather wait for the 2.0 update and have HTC Sense, which really makes a lot of sense in many cases (apps, widgets) instead of switching to samsung for bad widgets, and pure Android (which is of course faster, than a skinned UI like HTC Sense - but i'd rather have less speed, but still more productivity because of the usability factor Sense provides).

But if your number one prio is pure speed, then of the standard Android UI will always be faster. You could get that with a rooted HTC hero too, so still no real need for the moment. especially if you consider the big xda devs community which will always keep the HTC Hero up to date. :)

Also please wait for a while, after getting a new device, and fill it with apps. Only after a while of usage you will see how good the speed really is. You know after a hard reset the hero is as fast as hell, but after having 50 apps installed and montchs of usage you will definetly notice a difference. But this is the case for ALL smartphones out there. So i would suggest to wait until you used the moment for a while, and then decide if its really that much faster.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Indiana Jones:
good point

i will definitely be getting back on here and writing about the moment on 3 weeks use. By then the quirks and bugs should be showing themselves. such as sms and battery problems which the "moment" could have as well. unfortunately, i had the Sprint hero which has no chin. there was a visible space between the screen and the bottom buttons, even light from the buttons was leaking. thats where i assume that the foreign objects would get in. im certainly not the only person this happen to since is a common problem for (sprint phones) . the guilt would be more on sprint rather than HTC since the original hero is more widely available but we are discussing sprint hero phone vs the moment not the original hero. as far as widgets some are useful and some are not. i feel like some enhancements on the sense ui are not really enhancing anything and should have remained as they were. ultimately since i had the sprint Hero there was no option for rooting. bottom line as you pointed out is productivity over speed. i mainly use my phone for browsing texting and calling. i dont really do alot of social networking and i dont dl a ton of apps. i owned the hero for 29 days and i felt that if i owned it more than that it was gonna crawl to a halt on what seems to be normal use.when i had my winmo HTC phone and i switched to the iphone. i felt like i was tinkering with my phone alot to make sure it was running at full speed. ex. using task manager clearing cache and all that. then i switched to the iphone and i pretty much didnt have to do anything. i cant say the " moment" will be like this, maybe no android phone is like this regardless of make. right now the phone is very responsive and id trade the sense UI for this smoothness maybe not the hero. if you ever get your hands on this big ass device be sure to play with it. perhaps both the hero and the moment are waiting for 2.0 and when that happens the only noticeable difference will be the qwerty. in that case everyone wins.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rocafellapat:
I work at Best Buy and recently got the HTC Hero (former Touch Pro user) and I love it! I have had the chance to play with the Samsung Moment and it just does not live up to the Hero. Yes it has a physical keyboard and a faster proocessor,etc. but the Hero's Sense UI, Scenes, etc. blows that out the water. The transitions are smoother,and coming from winmo, android is a fun os system to learn! Im not clowning on anybody that has the Samsung Moment but the Hero comes out on top!
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ducylowycz:
...seriously???

Two things that make the Samsung Moment stand out....

-800MHZ Processor (NO LAG even with MULTIPLE applications)

-AMO-LED Display (Less power consumption and brighter/more crisp)

I will wait for some developer to create the HTC SENCE UI in a widget for use on other devices...personally I like the "CLEAN and POLISHED" look of the moment. I also like being organized so what can you do with 7 screens that you can't do with 3???

I'm not bashing the hero...HOWEVER for me I came from the Touch pro 2. If the Samsung Moment had the same build quality as the TP2, it would blow every device out of the water that's on the market today.

</end rant>
[Hero, G2 Touch General] darkerhelmet:
This is true if you need your phone to be a toy, with all that whiz bang interface stuff going on. As ducylowycz pointed out, at the end of the day the Hero still has a Qualcomm MSM7525 528 MHz processor and a color transflective TFT display, and the Moment still has a Samsung S3C6400 800 MHz processor and an Active Matrix OLED display.

Not sure how your "Sense UI" software interface creates such a compelling environment someone would forget about the slower processor and legacy display. So what if I cannot impress my 3 friends by flicking through 7 screens (of what?) - at least in a year or two my Moment is still on par, processor and display-wise, with newer phones, not sucking wind like the Hero and Touch Pro 2.

To me Sense UI is like a fat or ugly chick putting on a lot of makeup to make herself appealing. Yeah the guy that swallowed 15 beers thinks she looks hot at 2 in the morning, but later that morning when he looks over to see that chunky monkey laying next to him the bathroom will not be close enough.

When I spend $500 dollars on a phone, whether over two years through a contract or from a straight out purchase at the store, I need something that will not be obsolete by Q2 of 2010.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
sorry but reading your post it's clear that you have no clue what you are talking about, nor what HTC Sense really is. It's has a LOT of aspects which will give you MORE productivity and not less. (productivity is not only speed, it's a mixture of speed, usability and effectiveness of a software)

Of course there are some widgets that are purely eyecandy, but just take a look at the sense contacts app as an example. It kills the standard Android app usability AND style wise. And it has better layout than the Android 2.0 contacts app, as well as the same functionality.

Or the settings widget, which lets you place 3g, wifi, buetooth and other switchs directly on the homescreen. Yes there are some other widgets available on the market, but HTC preinstalled them and gave them a professional look. This is the case for all HTC Sense widgets and apps.

For more details check my review out:

http://smartphoneblogging.com/2009/09/a-longterm-windows-mobile-user-switching-to-android-part-4-htc-sense-review/

i'm a windows mobile user (started with the htc magician) who didn't like TouchFLO3D that much since it was introduced with the HTC Touch Diamond, because it had many instances were it just wasn't fluid enough. But HTC Sense on Android is just so much better.

and your "chick" comparison is nonsense. Please take a loot at the specs of the htc hero: the ONLY area where samsung is better is the CPU. But the rest is up to par. The AMOLED display is nice, but definetly no killer feature, the samsung galaxy AMOLED didn't really leave an impact on the market. And i can tell you that after the recent firmware update HTC Sense is really fast enough, it will be even faster after the 2.0 update.

And you think that those 200 Mhz difference will make a huge difference? get a reality check. Your device will be obsolet in Q2 2010, like any other device you'll buy in 2009 because the smartphone market is evolving rapidly. If you wait for a device that will be state of the art for 2 years, then it's better to buy no phone at all.

I can understand if somebody prefers the pure android UI (depending on your preferences pure Android might be better), but let's keep it real: HTC Sense makes a lot of things right. It enhances the usability of android, and doesn't only provide eye-candy but real usability benefits. This has nothing to do with "a fat chick which uses a lot of makeup" - if at all then HTC Sense is a beautiful chick, which is intelligent but sometimes stutters! (just kidding, please stop with those chick comparisons, they will always end up being stupid)

It's very easy to spot people who never really used HTC Sense and judge it by some videos, since the vids show all the fancy stuff, but not the little things which add up big.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Shahpur.Azizpour:
you really belive this don't you? This depends on so many factors that a faster cpu alone can't guarantee that AT ALL. "NO LAG" is a marketing gag.

ahem...ok a widget to install HTC Sense?...do you know what HTC Sense is? You can't just install it like a widget, since it replaces main apps like contacts, calendar and more! This has nothing to do with a simple widget.

And i also don't use 7 homescreens but 5. It's easily possible to organize your apps and widgets on 5 homescreens meaningfully. i don't need 7 though.

Sadly the Touch Pro 2 is from HTC ;), and therefore the build quality of the HTC Hero is great which i can confirm. The build quality of my unbranded white htc hero is nearly perfect.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] darkerhelmet:
I was not trying to get your tighty whities in a bunch but I applaud your knowledge of the phone you bought and I never will. You can wave the HTC flag all day long and I will gladly continue making and receiving calls, browsing the Web, and listening to music on my plain jane Samsung Moment.

Every Samsung phone I had was top shelf quality-wise. The SCH-i760, Omnia, and this Moment. The very first HTC phone I owned, the Touch Pro, was the smallest piece of crap ever. Slow, slow, and slow (seems like the same processor as the Hero and TP2?) and horrible build quality. Me, and according to a Google search, several hundred others, had to replace the thing at least twice due to keyboard failures. When I traded it in last week for the Moment, the rep at the Sprint Store laughed when I told him why I wanted to get rid of it. He said, "Yeah, we got a cardboard box in the back where we throw these (Touch Pro) things. 3 were returned last week and about 7 last month." WTF over?!?

Every phone has its 'moments' and I am sure there will be some hardware issues with someone's Moment just like someone's Hero, but my opinion of HTC has forever been slanted. Don't forgive me if I never care how fast or cool Sense UI makes your phone because as I mentioned before, my 3 friends will never care if I have 5 or 7 screens worth of icons to sift through or if my contacts UI has so many more fields to fill in. I just need a phone I can customize to suit my needs that has great build quality, AKA the Samsung Moment.

I don't apologize if my "fat chick" labels are offensive or stupid because I use it to reference something slow, ugly and pretty much a bane to society.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] JuanDG:
The Moment rocks!!!!

I went for the Samsung Moment and I'm loving it!!!

I've been playing with one of my co-worker's Hero for a few days and I was convinced that was the phone I wanted, but I went to a Sprint store yesterday and held the Moment and the Hero side by side and compared most features, and I liked the Moment a lot better than the Hero.

The screen is brighter and the colors look more vivid, my wife immediately noticed it without me even opening my mouth, IT IS BETTER, is a fact of nature no fan boy can deny (I know they will though).

Senese UI is better than vanilla Android no doubt about it but for me it reminded me a lot of TouchFLO 3D and being a frustrated Windows Mobile user that came running to Android I really don't want that painful memory on my phone. (I do realize they are separated things but hey!! I got issues)

Keyboard is important for me, the dust issue on the Hero's "gap" between the screen and the bottom panel is also a factor and finally there's a bit of barley noticeable speed difference but I'm sure it will disappear once you have installed apps and loaded contacts etc.

Two places where the Moment is faster: Boot up time and camera app the rest is barley unnoticeable.

After making my evaluation I made my purchasing decision and spent all night playing with the phone and I'm very, very satisfied. Is not for everyone and if you're more of an Iphone kind of guy I guess the hero is better.

I also expect vanilla Android phones (or Google Experience I should say) like the Moment and the Droid to get updates faster like the G1 that is already rocking 1.6