yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
On the TR2.5 version of 23112:

I'm still trying to decide/convince-myself whether or not all the releases after 23110 have a lag on the Sense screens, especially a vertical-scrolling lag on the Home screen and Menu-dialog popup -- with co0kie home tab installed. (I'm only talking about Sense screens, not in the WM screens or within apps.)

Another user told me that after flashing 23112TR2.5 he had to hard-reset

twice

and then it seemed as fast as it should. So I did that...not sure...but I don't think the cookie-modded Home tab zips up and down as fast as the really-great 25009TR2.5

@agent_47: Is/was there anything that you changed between 23110 and 25010...anything that could possibly affect animation speed on Sense tabs -- especially with co0kie home tab mod? You posted that you removed bg4all and did the "zero green policy" at that time. Of course I don't know anything about all the other stuff that was done "under the hood".

Maybe I'm just imagining all this... ;) (but I don't think so).

Other than that: Yeah 23112TR2.5 is another nice release. I'd still prefer to have co0kie home tab built in, but it seems to work OK for me installing it after flashing. Not sure what problem dbaser had when installing it after flashing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BzeBwoi:
I'm not sure if you've done this or not but if you install the co0kie home tab editor there is an option for optimized or No animation which speeds up the vertical scrolling on the home page..it may help you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Yeah, that's what you'd think is the problem...but I have it set at Optimized on this version as I did on 25009 and the others. I haven't tried the lowest setting -- don't want it that bad. :)

Maybe I just have one of those situations that nobody else has or notices... (assuming it's not all in my head ;) ).

Sure would be nice if someone -- more than one even better -- who's familiar with 25009 would try out 23112 and say either "Nope -- they're exactly the same" OR "Yeah, you're not hallucinating MCbrian -- 25009 does have a faster Home screen!". (this testing to be conducted with co0kie home tab enabled, of course)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
R u going to try it out? I read about too many bugs. What rom r u on?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] agent_47:
maybe....very likely.....try this cab....undoes all the manila modds, let me know it it ok now :)

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Well, it did restore the "green". I can't see any difference in the scrolling speed, though. You think this cab reversed everything (related to manila) that may have changed between 25009 and 25010? If you have any other things for me to try I'm very willing, but it'll have to wait for 8 or 12 hours from now...it's just after midnight here and I have to get some sleep...so I can go to work. :p

Thanks for trying. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gandhi70:
just flashed the latest rom.

anyone know, where the taskmanager application went?

edit: just noticed, that i cannot change the background wallpaper in windows.

any idea what i'm doing wrong?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bacco:
Well, I tried the cab hoping that it'll allow me to run "Weather City Editor" but still no luck. I figured since these modes began with the most recent 2 ROMs and that's when I began experiencing problems.

As for the intended purpose of the cab, I'm with MCbrian...I don't think there's an improvement in the Cookie Mod flipping speed. But I honestly don't see a noticeable "slowness" when compared to earlier ROMs.

Thanks for 23112...for me, a very tight ROM with no noticeable memory leaks (when compared to some of the recent ROMs) and very good speed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Which taskmanager are you looking for? There's one in Settings>System. And another one in the main/root Start menu.

Are trying to change the Sense/Manila background using the built-in tool? Try TF3D BG Changer in Utilities.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gandhi70:
in the last build i've been using (6.1) there is a seperate taskmanager which i put on a quicklink. can't find that anymore, will take a look at the once you mentioned.

i use a program (auto wallpaper changer) which randomly changes the lockscreen/windows wallpaper every 3 hours.

this is not working anymore. changeing the windows wallpaper over pictures&videos doesn't work, too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sdforce:
the issue has been resolved. used total commander. I switched htc menus off so that i could actually use the menus first then copy and pasted via total commander. however I do find it interesting that i wasnt able to paste the file into the windows folder from outside of the windows folder. but once i was IN the windows folder, it allowed me to paste it just fine.

In any case thank you.

I'm hoping that task 29 will fix weird problems that I had before. With the last rom, files and folders with weird names were being created in the device. Characters like the omega sign and a's with different accents were the titles of these folders and files. After I deleted them, I checked in my storage card and lo and behold, it was wiped clean. Apparently, those folders were linked to different folders on the phone. After reading agents explanation about task 29, I gave it a try and flashed the newest radio version and one of agent's new rom.

Thanks agent, for the explanation for task 29. After completing this, could I use that rom starter to flash roms as well?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Interesting, the fluidity of 25009/homescreen w/ cookie is the main reason why I've stuck with this ROM. Might be hard to upgrade if the new ones are slower...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lffoong:
Just for clarity, the "FIX FOR HTC MENU" isn't needed in

- valkyrie.ftp v6.2.23112TR2.5 7th April wm6.5.5 withOUT extra tabbs

Right ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dinky:
Sigh.... The SD Card problem is still there with 23112... I guess that I'm stuck with 28232 or look somewhere else... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bacco:
You are correct.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Yes, only 25010 needs it.

It would be a service to the community if you tried 23112. ;)

So far, I'm (almost?) the only one who's complained at all about Sense-laggyness. While I'm sure I'm not imagining things -- the lack of fluidity in the Menu-key popups on Sense screens is obvious to me, it's always good to get a second (or third/fourth, since Bacco says it's fine for him) opinion. Especially from someone who is very familiar with -- a believer in -- the fluidity of 25009. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Yes, yes... I need to get back on the ball with regards to flashing some of these newer Valkyrie ROMs. New house/shelving project in the garage + quality issues blowing up at my factories... time just hasn't been permitting as of late. :mad:

I still need to try 28232 as well as clauswl said it's even faster than 25009!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sdforce:
I haven't used 23112. I'm using 25010 and I will certainly agree that the menu button's menu (lol) on manila loads slow. However, the animation for viewing your home tabs is up to par with the 25009.

I was also reading a few pages back and noticed that there was a problem with gwes.exe consuming a lot of resources. I wasn't sure what version or build you guys were talking about but 25010 is maintaining at 6 mb (not using any apps but task manager).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gandhi70:
anyone else here who is unable to change the lockscreen/windows (not manila) wallpaper with the latest build?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lennyz1988:
Mcbrian what is the memory usage of the 23112? I use the 23110 and as you know my ram usage is around 80%.

btw my homescreen on this rom runs fluently. But I only use one shortcut page and some other minor tweaks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I haven't done any real testing of memory usage...but it doesn't seem to grow as fast/much as 23110.

As for the animation fluency, according to my observations (if I'm not full of sh*t) 23110 was still in the "golden era" -- the same era as 25009 (even though it had the unfortunate memory situation). :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
I tested 28232 more thourough recently, with and without the oc utility by HTC, and the gain in performance is very minor with the utility.

I decided to turn off the utility, the rom workd flawless for the last few days without restart/shutdown.

BTW you could use sprite backup to make an immage of your current rom/data, and then just simply merge your settings/prog/data into the new rom. It is a lot faster that way!:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I am usually weary of backing up "installed" programs with all their registry tendrils... and restoring back on a new WM install. You never see any side-effects of using such sprite backup?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
I had to play around and see which tybe of restore works best. I succsessfully use a "master backup" from 23519 and import them into 28232, 25009 and others incl. personal data. Sometimes there are some minor things that have to be redone, like reinstalling the battery/memory app, reinstalling max manilla, but generaly there is no problem. Just mekr sure that the correct version and info is listed in the device info tool.

I had no problem importing my settings from 25009, but make sure you user pim backup as an additional tool if something goes wrong with your personal data import. PIM never let me down so far.

I alsomake a backup of the current good working, comletely finished new rom using sprite.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] agent_47:
i have been staying away from this fluency in manila home coz they all seem the same to me: 2.5 on tp2 is NOT fluid enough to even worth considering speed difference between 28232/23544/23112 or anything.....they all are laggy as hell!!!

but thats just me :p

but i did flash the builds 28323 and 23112.....n i couldn see much difference :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
Well, on that note, I should deffinately try out 23112, however, would that be downgrading from 28232?

P.S. 28232 has bubble cooked in, does 23112?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
HD2 snob. :p

But, you're right. Even with 25009TR2.5, which is by far the most fluid 2.5 version I've ever used, the homescreen still has that slight lag when moving from quicklinks to homescreen. And yes, that is even with animation on optimized and weather animations disabled.

This is why for the longest time, I stayed with Sense 2.1 as that offered a truly smooth, fluid experience on the TP2. But, Sense 2.5 does bring quite a bit of updates/improvements that I think I will now have a hard time going back to 2.1.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
Same here, once I tased 2.5, there was no going back.

28232 deffinately is quicked than 25009, I can,t see much lag in manilla (sliding between screens),and the whole contact edditing thing pissed me off in 25009.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
What contact thing? I can add new numbers and stuff without any issues.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
Edditing numbers and add numbers into existing contacts had been an issue. It hung and slowly let me do all of that, have no idea wy. I even tried it before merging my settings and programs (just used pim to import personal stuff), and it still was an issue.

The edditing stuff is faster in 28232, so is a simple opening pim.

Wonder how 23112 performs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Hmmm, very curious. There is a 2-3 second delay when I hit edit on the contact screen or when I choose to add number as a new contact, but nothing is slow afterwards. Is that what you're experiencing, or is it even slower for you?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] agent_47:
last one was .19201734 core.....rest pkg were 1919

this time all of them are 1920 and the core is 19202525

23081.....its faster and mem managerment seems better

in the mean time check these out: http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=74a76f2b02ee6ea35a3d773badf21430a547aa7848da7a0cf85d402b9fc3640c

xda landscape might not work. i din test it. rest are working good they are not my work and i don give support to these. share them if u wish with other roms\threads but don link this post
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlavoie:
thanks for the upcoming update! i was not going to flash just for the 23081 update (your 23075 leo is working great) but since you are also updating to the newer TF3D build it will be a must. thanks for all the hard work and giving the community all the latest and greatest.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kwill:
Oh, ok. Now I know:) And thanks for the cabs....I'm checking out the landscape one now and will let you guys know how it works out. I wasnt sure what the others were for. But, I imagine the pana cab is for panoramic background. Just wondering about the trans 2.4.5?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lpsi2000:
all this stuff sounds good and stop teasing us and upload it already:p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] boemboem:
Tried this but the problem is I won't get any SMS notifications since, so I removed it and will live with this little problem.

Also tried the Landscape cab, it looks very promissing. I removed it again since there are some small problems I guess and don't have time this week for changing ROMs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] agent_47:
new leo is UP!!!

happy flashing
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jvs60:
im getting this message from Rapidshare, "There are no more download slots available for free users right now. If you don't want to become a premium member, you might want to try again later."
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] agent_47:
try again... i just put it on traffic sharing.....m not clear on what it is but i think it should give u a direct download link....will stay this way for next hour or so

plz make mirror if possible
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ut0p1a:
Yeah, keep hitting reload and be patient.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] a042349:
Well whatever "traffic sharing" is it worked. I hit refresh and immediately got the file download dialog w/o even the wait 120 second timer.

Quick question: Are the 4.4.81 Manila changes also in the TR version or just in Leo? I'm not sure I understand what pieces get upgraded with each build, but I'm LOVING 4.4.75 TR and don't want to re-flash unless there's some goodies in there.

Keep up the great work!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
yes the client appears as a chat form, I do not like it but it is the price to solve my problem (and your).

If you do not like, you can remove the cab.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kwill:
So, maybe it's the leo client that is wrecking the sms notifications too. We (or actually lpsi2000) has tracked it down to be the cause of Seven crashing. I really wonder what's inside that cab which causes things to not work right. I guess we'll have to break it down and do some investigating.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fadytabar:
Hi,

Thanks a lot for your efforts to bring us this great ROM.

Can you please try to reply to the above post (662)?

It's really a problem for me and would like to know if it can be solved before i re-flash to the original ROM.

Thank you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
v4.4 081

Hi,

what fix I have to use, the same of 075?

- outlook sender

- sms client

- 3G swich

I will try tomorrow:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
landscape v2.5 is not good

landscape_v2.5.cab doesn't support well landscape, because in some tab the rendering is bad, only a rotation without resizing..

The landscape locks in music tab.

It is not a work of agent_47, I suggest do not use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jvs60:
Is there a fix for the hardware keyboard ALT key?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Juggeli:
Mirror mirror...

http://mahti.ftp.sh/ROMs/Valkyrie/tp2_firestorm_4.4.81LEO.7z
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vagelis:
@agent_47:

As an X1 convert to the TP2, I'm keeping an eye on your excellent cookin'

any chance your next ROMS will upgrade to Showcase 1.1.0 from here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4030903&postcount=3

It seems to be bahaving a bit better when it's cooked in... Energy ROM's appear to be doing ok with integrating it...

... just a thought, anyway...

Thank you for you Top Notch Kitchen:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pbeutler:
Hmmm, thanks for your reply...I think I will live with the problem until FireStorm 4.5 is released ;) and this is fixed the 'normal' way :D

Cheers,

PB
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lpsi2000:
Talking about we (:D), how was the last ROM with PP at 18?:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
I use icontact for everything, and there is not much of a delay adding or editing numbers. As i remember, adding a new number to an existing contact was an issue.

P.S., did you get the launching PIM results in 25009 vs 28232

~17 sec vs ~4 sec
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Yeah...well...

The funny thing is that for a while now, ever since 24001 I think, when somebody asks me about a new release "Is it faster?" I usually can't tell -- they all seem fast now.

It's just this one type of speed performance -- mostly vertical scrolling of the Sense screen and Menu -- that I now notice. I only started noticing it since I started using co0kie home tab. Hmmm....

I don't mean to make a big deal about it... But it comforts me to know that I'm not the only one (e.g., cmd512) who notices that manila in some releases is more-fluid than others. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ryankelsey:
Hi, I just loaded this rom on my touch pro 2(tmobile) Just wanted to know how to apply the htc menus fix? Also are there any other fixes for this rom I need to apply?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
You have no idea. When I flashed the "other" 2.5 ROM for the first time and mentioned that it was a bit laggy, his groupies immediately formed a lynch mob and went after my ass! :D

Some of the choice comments were:

"I have no idea what you're talking about, it's not laggy at all on mine!"

"You must have done something to it to make it laggy."

Quite simply, they're either on crack, or they're used to the lag. Like what agent said, with our TP2's hardware limitations, it's simply a matter of finding a "less laggy" 2.5 ROM. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] killa-mckilla:
umm.. i dont see a download link for 6.3

am i missing something?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
? Click on the file highlighted in blue.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Saddi2008:
You write "7th march ..."

You mean "7th April ..." !? I understand so
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] clauswl:
That is so funny that noone else saw that! Yes, of course, I am sure that is what he meant.:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lennyz1988:
Yes that's true, but in my opinion the lag is far less then it used to be. And the functions of 2.5 still outweigh the speed from 2.1 :). Also Agent makes the fastest 2.5 roms outhere :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rahlquist:
Just updated to "- valkyrie.ftp v6.2.23112TR2.5 7th march wm6.5.5 withOUT extra tabbs" from 25009 and I can confirm, youre not crazy. While menu animations are smoother in 23112 imho, they are slower slightly. Like comparing pouring hot molases vs cold. Just maybe a 10% diff in speed but hey not like i am complaining it sure does look nice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Maybe there are other factors that affect how the Home tab and Sense Menu animations appear to move...? On the Home tab screen itself the vertical animation may just be slower and not less-fluid...but to me, the vertical pop-up after pressing the Menu soft-key appear slower and a little jerky -- like the "cold molasses" has chunks of debris embedded in it. :p

And of course the comparison has to be made with co0kie Home tab running on both, since that's the situation I'm comparing/talking-about.

Whatever, I went back to 25009 last night after spending a day with 23112. I'd started to get used to 23112, though still noticing the Menu popups....but as soon as I was back on 25009 I realized that there really is something different -- on my phone at least.

I wish that I could do a video screen capture to document my observations. I read that MyMobiler has the ability to record video screen captures...so I tried that, but it doesn't come close to keeping up with the phone's frame-rate. Maybe I'll point my HD camcorder at the screen on both releases and try to record what's going on...just for my own satisfaction. ;)

Bottom-line, I'm fine staying with 25009TR2.5 for now. After installing the "Ninja Duck Opera 10" I've got all I need/want...

Yeah, sure, I'll still try new releases anyway. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] agent_47:
how does the ram look in these builds....?

ill try some new things amid all the speed thing.....

also how does speed compare with any other manila 2.5 rom? sorry..no time to test other chef roms :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Well, first off, I'm not interested in trying other chef's roms right now...and IMHO it wouldn't be a very good gauge of differences within/among your ROMs anyway because of other differences between lines.

Others may be able to report on this, though.

RE RAM: On 23112 I didn't watch it too closely -- because I was watching Sense screen animation :D -- and the animation performance seems unrelated to ram. RAM use started low, but grew -- and gwes grew -- more than in "old" icon builds, I think, but I don't know if that's related to icons.

BTW: Speaking of RAM, it seems to me that the latest version of cleanRAM (2.1?) doesn't clean RAM as thoroughly as 1.96, no matter what setting I use. So, I'm glad I have a copy of the older one to install.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lennyz1988:
Last time I tryed DeepShining it was much slower then you're rom. Also I used a dutch cooked rom and it also was slow. From the roms I used you are the fastest and the most bug free.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dbaser:
Agreed. I have been trying Sergio's Leo Cell series of roms. Very nice detail to graphics but unfortunately the last 2 revisions (v7 and v8) both have the dreaded Sleep of Death issue. I am going to go back to the one in my sig for now...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I was about to flash, but now I might not bother. What you described is what I've been using for over a week now with no problems. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I wouldn't even bother, agent. I've tried over a dozen different 2.5 ROMs (NRG, DeepShining, Sergios, etc) before settling on your 2.5 ROMs.

All other 2.5 ROMS = Homescreen lag and scroll-off-of-homescreen-lag was unbearable.

25009TR2.5 = Very minimal lag and a joy to use. By setting system cache to 128kb, my free program memory never drops below 50MB (without using CleanRAM).