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[General Questions and Answers] Shasarak:
Well obviously pinch-zoom is not designed to work one-handed, but then neither is using a stylus. ;) One advantage of pinch-zoom is that it lets you pick which part of the screen you want to zoom in on and exactly how much you want to zoom in by. Using a zoom-bar doesn't give you any control over where it zooms - it'll always pick (say) the top left hand corner of the screen as a reference point; double-tapping lets you pick where to zoom, but not by how much. Other solutions require additional gestures or presses. Pinch-zooming is also extremely intuitive - non-technical people get the hang of it instantly. Other types of multi-touch gesture are often very intuitive too; for example, running Google Earth on the iPhone, if you want to rotate the map you simply take hold of it and twist.
[General Questions and Answers] Moandal:
I think it's interesting how many people were claiming that resistive is better than capacitive whenever they were trying to bash the iphone, yet now those same people can't wait to get their hands on the Leo's capacitive screen.

Personally, I'd rather have resistive. The difference in sensitivity isn't great (so many HD reviews said how close it was to the sensitivity of the iphone). Multitouch is overrated. You can easily zoom in and out with a circle motion on a resistive screen. For me, neither of those capacitive advantages comes close to the benefit of being able to select with a stylus far more accurately than you ever can with a finger. No need to pinch-zoom in to select that link on a web page, or to select a cell in a spreadsheet. That's what's important to me.
[General Questions and Answers] leobox1:
capacitive is not good for drawing precise pics right?
[General Questions and Answers] Monty Burns:
HP tablet laptops have some hybrid of resistive and capacitive screens. They have a switch on the side that flicks between them and so they support multi-touch AND stylus :)

HP Laptop

My mates got one and its dead impressive. Just a shame the screens only 12" :mad: If they had them on 17" laptops like the one im using i'd be well up for it!
[General Questions and Answers] Ruudfood:
Capacitive and pinch zoom are both well overrated!

I can touch the screen of my X1 and it responds - no pressure. And I can zoom in by double tapping. Can't see what all the fuss is about to be honest. Probably something started by iPhone fanboys!
[General Questions and Answers] Moandal:
I totally agree. I don't want to lose the accuracy of a stylus. Why should I have to zoom in to click a small link with a fat finger, when I can click it unzoomed with a stylus? Same with a cell on a spreadsheet.

Multitouch is just a gimmick that really doesn't add anything useful. Either double tap or use the circle gesture to zoom/unzoom.
[General Questions and Answers] why_999:
RIM applied for a patent for a dual capacitive/resistive screen about a month or two.. so someone is working on it.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/05/rim-patent-filing-reveals-hybrid-capacitive-resistive-touchscr/
[General Questions and Answers] Ganondolf:
thats my laptop, did not know it had a hybrid screen. there no switch on the side, the pen works and the multi touch works (i think, if i press in 2 places it the marker goes to the middle) without press any switch.
[General Questions and Answers] loomx:
People who say there x1, diamond 2s and so one are as sensitive as an iPhone, have not tried seeing how gently you can touch it.

I do like capacitives screens, but I will feel lost without a stylus.

Has anyone else noticed on the iPhone, it doesnt respond to a touch with a nail, but if you touch with you finger and then without taking your finger off put it so only your nail is on the screen it still responds!?

Hopefully HTC will soon release the capacitive stylus that isnt a joke like the pogostick one.
[General Questions and Answers] Ouzo:
Shasarak does make a very good point though regarding the extra operation being involved after double tapping in a particular area - I guess I'm taking the 'scroll wheel' on my Touch Pro for granted and using it to do the second operation without even thinking about it ; )

As an aside, boy would I like to see physical scroll wheels with navipads underneath make a return, not to mention dedicated camera buttons!
[General Questions and Answers] Moandal:
Even on the Leo, with its huge screen, a finger is about 13% of the screen width, whereas a stylus point (which you can't use on the capacitive screen) is more like 1.5%.

So a finger is 9 times less accurate for pointing/selecting than a stylus - hopeless.

Imagine having to use a mouse pointer, that was a 2 inch diamater circle on your PC!

On the one hand, screens are now very high resolution at 800 x 480. Unfortunately the capacitive finger fashion is producing interfaces designed for a very low resolution pointer that largely wastes that glorious high resolution, or requires constant zooming in and out.

I blame Apple, as I do for all the other woes in the world. ;)
[General Questions and Answers] leobox1:
guess capacity is not for me.. because i apppreciate the precision of the finger nail :(

but i love hd 2 and sense
[General Questions and Answers] Archer:
I've only had a brief play with an iPhone, but after having a Touch Diamond, and then a Touch HD, I was AMAZED at how responsive the screen was. I can only hope that the HD2 screen will be as responsive (I guess that's what they're aiming for with the capacitive screen).

I know a lot of people like using styluses, but personally, I've spent a loooooooong time making my phone finger friendly, and I now never actually use the stylus any more.

Can't wait to get the HD2. All being well, I'll be smarming it on here within a couple of weeks! :)
[General Questions and Answers] newuser888:
Hi everyone, would like to also share my experience on this:

1) It is very easy to do spreading and pinching ONE handed. I do it by resting the phone on the last three fingers, and the first two fingers do the job effortlessly.

2) It is very easy to activate extrremely tiny web link without stylus. Whereas a very high degree of precision and tiny hit area is needed with resistive screen, it is no so with capacitive screen. As long as your finger covers the tiny link, you'll activate it. So, as long as the tiny link is "isolated", you can much more easily activate it with capacitive screen.

Of course, if you have many tiny links very close to each other, you spread them first.

3) Handwriting recognition is very easily accomplished without stylus in capacitive screen.

4) As for precise placement of cursor in spreadsheet, etc. You simply press and hold your finger until the magnifying glass appear, then you "roll/twist" your finger either clockwise or anticlockwise to precisely move the cursor from the existing position right or left so that it is in the correct position. The mechanism of doing it is different from stylus based winmo, but once you have done it you'll love the way it is done.

I had always thought like many of you that stylus based resistive screen has many advantages. However, after using capacitive screen, I now can't even tolerate resistive ones anymore.

That's why many winmo fans are really looking forward to Leo, for very very good reason - the capacitive screen is one of the main reasons.

Cheers.
[General Questions and Answers] Moandal:
Thanks for sharing your experiences. My responses to the above would be as follows:

1) Won't argue with that, but I never try or feel the need to use my phone single handed.

2) So, no use for selecting which page of this thread you want to see! Unless you zoom in and out, which you don't have to do with a stylus.

3) I struggle to recognise my own handwriting! Not a feature I've ever wanted.

4) Your description of how to accurately place a cursor with a finger hardly merits using the words "You simply..."! Compare and contrast with the instructions for a stylus: "Place stylus exactly where you want it."
[General Questions and Answers] newuser888:
You're welcome Moandal.

Selecting the pages in forum is just about the only place where zooming is needed especially in portrait mode. However, I personally find it quicker and easier to zoom then to plug out a stylus, and having to put the stylus back after that. In more than 90 percent of the time, it is not necessary to zoom in order to activate a link, especially in landscape mode when the pages are widened.

Handwriting is not used widely in the English speaking world, but if you want to input in Chinese, for instance, you'll find it necessary.

"Place the stylus exactly where you want it" assumes you have already pulled out the stylus and you don't intend to put it back. After pulling out the stylus just for placing the cursor, you can't just drop the stylus and continue with finger gesture operations. Alternatively, you grow long finger nails and pick away with your nails. For me, I find the procedure that I described to be far simpler and easier and statistically, those procedures happens relatively rarely.

Once you get use to capacitive screen (if you're lucky enough to be an owner of Leo or a future WM7 device), you'll never look back and say that resistive screen is better. Why else is everybody including microsoft going that way?
[General Questions and Answers] leobox1:
hmmmm finger friendly yes .. but with no nail input.. we can be precise right? :(
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
That doesn't really seem to hold true with what was said about Stantum's resistive multi-touch screens.

They're manufactured in the same way as the resistive screens currently available on phones, just to a slightly different specification, and they allow true multi-touch (not just this two-finger version Apple offer) as well as retaining all the advantages of a resistive screen.

Personally, I think this is the future.

I can't speak for everyone else who previously stated a preference for resistive screens but is now excited about Leo but, in my case at least, the excitement is down to the multi-touch capabilities not the technology behind it.

If that means capacitive, then it's a shame but I'm still eager to see what HTC have managed to produce - it may well be that I'm prepared to forsake the advantages of a resistive screen so that I can have multi-touch or I might be happy forgoing multi-touch in favour of sticking with the superior precision and stylus support, it's hard to say.

But one thing I can be sure of is that I'm not going to be happy until I can have the best of both worlds, as hinted-at in my link above.

Does anyone happen to know if that's the same type of thing as the 'piezo-electric' screen the Storm2 is supposed to have?

I have to disagree with this.

No matter what the technology, no UI makes full use of high pixel density - my Touch HD certainly has plenty of big, finger-friendly buttons/icons/etc and it's a resistive screen.

The limitation is not the hardware, it's the end users.

People's eyesight and the size of their fingers means that UIs have to effectively be 'low resolution'.

But that doesn't mean a high resolution screen is wasted - just because the buttons have to be big doesn't mean they can't be detailed and there's obviously the multi-media aspects which really are independent of the UI as, to a lesser extent, is web-browsing.
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
What?????????? A lot of bull**** in this thread.

"Resistive is not as sensitive with a screen protector" - WRONG! It retains 99% sensitivity.

"Resistive is less sensitive" - WRONG! I need to barely brush ny screen, for it to respond.

Resistive doesn't have multitouch - WRONG! http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/ - In your face!

LOL at the dude in the first page claiming that resistive require a lot of pressure to respond... Ha! People have asked me many times if my Xperia has capacitive... it is THAT sensitive.

Resistive is the superior technology.

More flexible - can be used with any object in any weather.

More precise - No big ass buttons (iTards take that!)

Stylus >>> finger. People WILL use the capacitive stylus. Fingers obscure the screen and leave grease over the screen (stfu with the anti-fingerprint coating - IT DOESN'T WORK).

Resistive supports much higher resolution - no iCrap kindergarden interface.

Capacitive has zero, 0, no, nada, benefits over resistive. Not even one!

There are more points that I could bring up, but I think this is enough for now.

P.S. I apologize for the rather rough rant, but I can't get my head around people being members of XDA for years and still not knowing the facts. The ignorance about this question is overwhelming.

Go read a tech site/blog, read Wikipedia even, educate yourselves but please don't go by repeating hearsay and what your iSheep friends told you.
[General Questions and Answers] PoisonWolf:
Orelsi,

Whether you like to admit it or not, capacitive screens will always be more sensitive simply due to the fact that resistive screens require pressure to register a touch. You can cuss all you want like an uncivilized gorilla, the facts will not change.

You can tell me 100 times that you have 500 ladies asking you if your Xperia has a capacitive touchscreen, the facts will not change.

While resistive screens can support higher resolution, so what? The capacitive on the LEO carries the same resolution. Don't give me bollocks that in the future, we'll see a 900x1600 screen while capacitives will still run on a measly 480x800. The future is the future, and now is now.

You really need to stop talking like a moron out of your ass and getting so butthurt the moment people mention Apple in front of your face. It's like Steve Jobs personally abused you as a child.

There are both pros and cons to both screens, and none is superior to the other. It's all relative to the goal of the product. If you can't even understand this, you really need to just stop posting in general.

Good day.
[General Questions and Answers] RaptorRVL:
Well, I guess it all depends eh. Having used resistive screens for years and years I must say that the capacitive screen I have on my Hero now really feels like a huge improvement.

My last device was an Omnia, which was quite nasty on touchscreen. The Hero is better in so many ways, mainly because of it's capacitive screen. It's way way more sensitive on the touch. Much and much more sensitive than any resistive screen I've ever used.

What I don't like however, is indeed I cannot use my fingernail or stylus/pen anymore. Which immediately means the screen gets more dirty faster.

Accuracy however is no issue with the capacitive screen. It actually feels more accurate than most of the resistive ones I've used. Although obviously I cannot select such a small area as I could with a stylus.

Can't find it anymore, but I've read about a study that compared the 'touch succes rate' between resistive and capacitive. Capacitive scored much and much better in that test. So I guess that the increased accuracy that people 'feel' with capacitive is due to the fact that it almost never misses a touch.

Although when you don't have the Hero in your hand (flat on table), the touch is quite bad because there isn't enough grounding or anything. At least it's a lot less sensitive, which obviously is a big downer for capacitive screens.

All in all, I used to be a huge resistive screen fan. With all the pro's that come with a resistive screen as well. But since I've started using a capacitive screen I don't think I'll ever want to go back to a resistive screen.

The ease of use (touch registration/sensitivity) of the capacitive screen is really what makes the difference. I've used about every HTC phone there has been (qtek s100, s200, Polaris, Diamond etc.) and those screen never came -anywhere near- being as sensitive as a capacitive screen. And believe me, I've tried loads of tweaks and solutions to make them more sensitive. Which obviously did work in some extend, but never near as sensitive as a capacitive screen.

I do miss the stylus and finger nail though :D
[General Questions and Answers] netnerd:
resistive screen -use it with finger OR stylus

capactive screen -finger ONLY!

go to banking websites, try to enter your account numbers with fingers.

this is a no-brainer on which is better
[General Questions and Answers] Masterface7:
Hi, I really dont have any idea if i like capacitive screens better since i have never owned one. However i do know that Opera is doing alot of work to make pressing links more finger friendly with opera finger touch so maybe maybe all the capacitive woes can be laid to rest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiVItBOFpt0&feature=player_embedded#
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Just one more point.

People seem to think that accuracy on resistive screes can be achieved only with styluses...

Resistive screens are more accurate than capacitive when it comes to finger typing or other finger related activities...

The resistive screen detects the whole area of your press and a calculation is made about the centre point of the touch. That's why so many people claim that the default WinMo keyboard is ok for finger use. It is extremely accurate. Try it!

LOL @ the big ass iPhail buttiong for example...
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Ha!

I have seen you presenting yourself as a some sort of a public tribune. Guess what? You are not...

Your insolent behavior does NOT contribute with anything. Go express your inner fears elsewhere.

1 - It is not a point of admitting it or not. Resistive is better and that's a technical fact.

2 - Don't insult me. Keyboard warriors over the net are pathetic. Don't be a smartass, it won't work.

3 - I never said any of that. Overexaggerating my claims won't magically turn your false ones into truths.

What YOU should understand is that people may have different preferences and biased opinions, but facts are facts. Fact and preference are not the same things.

You didn't answer any of my points with facts. You just threw some insults and mindless buthurt babbling out there. It was pathetic. Are you on crApple's payroll?

It's a proven fact that RESISTIVE IS BETTER. If you can't even understand this, you really need to just stop posting in general.

Now, are you going to be a man and admit that you were wrong and insolent or not? Apologize or be just another Internet pseudo tough guy with severe inferiority complex...
[General Questions and Answers] maati:
Sorry, but actually PoisonWolf is right.

Capacitive screens are more sensitive.

That doesn't mean that they're better. None of those technologies is better, because it all depends on what you prefer.

Do you need a stylus or do you prefer a more sensitive screen?

Anyone who says that the one or the other is better clearly is an idiot. Sorry for saying this, but it's true.

They're just different and it totally depends on personal needs whether one prefers capacitive or resistive.
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
Prove it.

You state it's 'a fact' but you have provided nothing at all to support your claims.

If you can't prove what you're saying, then I suggest you follow your own advice and and stop posting.
[General Questions and Answers] elyl:
Good god, orelsi, what age are you? You sound like a 12-year-old arguing that X-box is better than Playstation just so you can justify that you spent your money on "the right choice".

crApple? iCrap? Goodness, how long did it take you to think those up? Comedy genius.

I think the fact that HTC are starting to make capacitive devices goes to show it's not Apple propaganda, but actual user preference which is driving its adoption.

We get it, you like resistive. Stop being a child and trying to enforce your PREFERENCE on others as "fact".
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[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
I would recommend that you go back re-read my posts and then read your own. Reading comprehension is a must these days.

I found the answer to my question, I guess...
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
I've re-read your posts a couple of times already, they are merely your own opinions along with completely unverifiable, anecdotal 'evidence', presented in an offensive and puerile manner.

You still offer no sources or citations to try and verify these 'facts' you keep going on about and the nature of your response to my query just adds further weight to my belief that you are indeed talking out of your posterior.

Do us all a favour and leave the discussion to those who are genuinely prepared to discuss matters, not just insult those who happen to hold a different opinion.
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Hm... it seems this want meant for poisonwolf....

or

did I hurt your feelings? Are secretly an iPhail lover?
[General Questions and Answers] PoisonWolf:
Orelsi,

So...when you can't backup your bark...you bark to insult instead.

Sigh, you know? I genuinely feel sorry for you.

Good day.
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
Woah, that post describes your behavior so well! Amazing. You should stop seeing only your side of things. It is kinda ignorant to do so.

Come back when you are ready for a real conversation, not inferiority complex venting...

P.S. Unlike you, I never insult people first. You cannot be so blind. It is not possible.
[General Questions and Answers] Step666:
I'm afraid you're going to have to translate that into English if I'm to have any chance of understanding it.

That's rather egotistical to assume you had any effect on my feelings.

My objections are purely objective, not subjective - there is no emotional aspect to them, my disagreements are merely down to the fact that you are wrong.

I object to your manner and I find the ignorance displayed in your posts offensive.

Pathetic, utterly pathetic.

The fact that you immediately assume that I am an Apple fan just because I do not hold the same opinion to you shows how little substance there is to your posts, it also demonstrates that you haven't bothered to read what I have posted previously - if you had, you'd know that I favour resistive screens to capacitive ones.

For the record, in case you're unable to ascertain this from what I have already written, I do not own any Apple products, nor do I ever intend to and I am not personally a fan or admirer of the iPhone.

I still challenge you to provide some sort of evidence to try and prove these 'facts' that you speak of.

The longer you continue to fail to meet this challenge, the more it proves that you lack any real knowledge of the subject at hand.
[General Questions and Answers] orelsi:
It was a typo of "was" and the fact that you went as low as to point it out is the pathetic thing here.

Most of your post seems to be pointed at poisonwolf (again), so I'm not going to comment on that.

Also, it is quite entertaining reading your attempts of sounding like the Architect from the Matrix. Just a word of advice - when you try too hard, it shows haha.

Just to clarify - you said "I object to your manner and I find the ignorance displayed in your posts offensive." and yet, you did not object to that exact behavior displayed by poisonwolf? Rather objective indeed...

About this part:

"I still challenge you to provide some sort of evidence to try and prove these 'facts' that you speak of.

The longer you continue to fail to meet this challenge, the more it proves that you lack any real knowledge of the subject at hand."

You do know how to read and write, right? You have access to the Net. Do you want me to post links for you? Do you want me to google it for you?

Go ahead and read up. You would be amazed at the ammount of info on the subject.
[General Questions and Answers] vangrieg:
As far as I'm concerned, capacitive screens have just one serious benefit, and that's the possibility of using scratch-resistant glass as the surface material. I'm sick and tired of protective films. I don't know what kind of material will be used on the Leo, but if it still needs screen protectors it will be a real waste.