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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
How does one know which is best if they do not try them all? You mentioned two ROMs but have not mentioned the others. Can you give valid opinion on which you think is best without trying them all? Everyone has different tastes.

Those are just some of the things the mods may say and have said.

Like what I said, I don't mind a thread like this and wish there was a way to do this in a way that was more subjective.

Maybe there needs to be an official ROM judge :D

Edit

Well that won't work either.

The only for you to know what ROM is best for you is to try them all until you find one that you like for yourself.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] SleepiTyme:
Then.. maybe not polls?

What other way would be the best to;

1) save you time from reading a couple dozen to a couple hundred posts everytime you got a new device (though we're only talking about the Rhodium, and if you've read all those posts, I suppose you're a lost cause that I want to avoid being like, and want to help others avoid being as such as well)

2) Get you the accurate information on what are the highlights of the ROMs

2b) Without all the different ways that each chef sets up their forum posts to explain what their ROM does

2c) And have it all in one common format

3) Not many people post their ROMs on their signatures. I just saw it around as a growing

@At0mAng

Thank you for your opinion at this time of night.

Yes, did only mention (actually it was) three roms.

However, that is just only my input.

I've yet to trial the Miri ROM(s) and the Energy ROMs, just to name a few.

But mainly, I want simple, quick or concise comments on which ROMs a good/great and for what reason. Is it some part of the ROM? Does it perform better in the way that you've explained that you are using your TP2? Etc?

Yes.. everyone has different tastes, but they can mention what they like about 'said' ROM and help people become objective by the comments made here, and the quick pros and cons that have been tabulated onto the second post of this forum for quick reference as to which ROM does what best, or includes which great feature.

Edit;

This thread isn't here to decide Which ROM is the NUMBER ONE (for YOU)?!

It's to help guide newcomers to xda-developers, the HTC Touch Pro 2/Rhodium and Windows Mobile (all together) choose which ROM to pick.

I mean.. for new people, they have probably heard of ROMs, but don't know what to do with it.

What the heck is a HardSPL and flashing it?

Or, naturally after coming from the HardSPL resource sticky, one does suddenly freeze up and get stuck before spending 3-5 hours reading posts and choosing which ROM to pick and install, only to find out it doesn't really meet their requirements and move on to another one with a HUGE amount of wasted effort.

This here is to help people like that make more objective decisions, much quicker with the pros and cons of each ROM outlined and defined.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] swooshz:
ROM Review template?

Completely agree with At0mAng and I like this idea. I don't understand the fear of flame wars either. Just ban the people who start flaming and can't have a normal discussion.

As for this thread, maybe we could all post reviews of a ROM in a certain template. E.g. give grades for speed, apps, stability, eye candy, etc... Some people look for speed and clean ROMs, others just for the most fully apped ROMs. With a review template, you could have a quick overview of what a ROM performs best on and make your pick.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheAgent1982:
It's Right!

There is NO Best ROM !

Every Cooker has his "touch and taste" in his ROM...

I love to work with you all, guys...

All the cookers here are talented!

Work AS a TEAM get us a BETTER results!!

:cool:

Continue all, in the great progress...

We will "knock out" HTC software at a glance... ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] swooshz:
It's not the point of this thread to find THE best ROM, but to find the most suitable ROM that fits your needs, at a glance...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Normally these threads are just closed as At0mAng said, but that would be unfair to the OP who's invested a fair old bit of time in this. It isn't the usual format and could be beneficial.

I've said before, that there isn't a forum rules preventing these threads, they are just closed because most of the people who create them are lazy noobs. If this threads is successful, then it "should" lead to less new threads.

I'm now subscribed and will monitor it, if it does degrade in to pretty much a Chef A vs Chef B thread, then I'll close it.

Thanks

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] thierry2064:
Hi,

I'd like to take the opportunity to try to find a ROM which fits my needs: is there any Rom out there with WM 6.5, quicker than the stock ROM (if one can compare), with as few bugs as possible, still keeping Manilla 2.1 ? By the way, I am not interested in aesthetics, nor in software when the cab is available to install by myself. I only tested EnergyROM Genesis up to now, which is excellent, bug free as far as I can tell, but with many applications, very good aesthetics, maybe speed could improve with lighter graphics... Is there any quicker ROM here ?

On a side note, I find that the virtual keyboard of the TP2 is slow, e.g. changing from alpha to numeric takes too much time (then the first digit you type is ignored), does any ROM (or cab) improve this ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Basil Hartzoulakis:
Recommended ROM

I agree with the moderator that this poll (purely on the basis of statistics) is an interesting experiment and should not be stopped. It is vital though that people who vote have tested a significant number of the roms available.

I tested all the roms available on the 20-25 Sep period (7-8 of them) and I ended up using NRGZ28's Leo Manila 2.5 ROM as the most stable, fast, good looking. Essentially I encounter no bugs in every day use and I would recommend this rom to any TP2 user.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] onebigmart:
Hi All,

****** Update --> solved, I searched for poi.dat, to find 2, it seems I had some installed a duplicate copy of the map folder in SD card\my documents\ I dragged & dropped *.ov2 & *.bmps to this folder & it worked how it should, phew!!! thanks for looking

I've been using tomtom navigator 7.915 for around 3 months on my TD2 (topaz) & it's fantastic, except I can't seem to add any extra pois.

I have dl'd extra pois (*.ov2 & *.bmp files) from tt home & the net, I've dragged & dropped them over to my to the following folders:

1. map folder on my SD card (GB & northern Ireland)

2. installation folder (sd card\program files\navigator)

I've even tried the pois from that were working on my old pda (loox 720) all without any joy, when I go into the tomtom program on my TD2 (topaz) I cannot find any trace of the pois I've added (either by navigating to them or by using the 'show poi' utility in the preferences menu.

Looking at the files there is a poi.dat file in the map folder, do I need to hack this some how? This seems to be extra to any version of TT I have used before.

I'm guess I'm likely missing something really obvious, only I've been trying to sort this for a few months now & cannot find any help via searching here & tomtom forums. So any help will be gratefully received.

Cheers,

Martin.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] USch:
Go to the map view, look up the "options" and see whether the POI visibility is checked. From there you can also select which categories are displayed.

This is the simple solution. Hope it works.
[Touch HD Accessories] gsvnet:
What is the thinnest or lowest profile silicone case for the Touch HD?

I've seen many different options and currently own one as well, but it makes the device a lot more bulky than I'd like...

Edit: doesn't really have to be a silicone case necessarily, but just something you can have on the device at all times...
[Touch HD Accessories] rvnteck:
These ones are good

http://www.boxwave.com/products/purecrystalslip/htc-touch-hd-pure-crystal-slip-case_3387.htm

I have been using it with my Touch HD t8285 for quite a while and I can say its way better than a silicon case because it has much more solid feel.
[Touch HD Accessories] spur:
Hi,

I have used this one:

http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/htc-touch-hd-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php

It's very good, it protects your HD very very good

regards from Spain :)
[Touch HD Accessories] Spyrious:
It was pain in the ass to install these.Especially the top one is very difficult because the side and the screen are not on the same level.
[Touch HD Accessories] spur:
hi spyrious,

not, it's no difficult to install it. I installed top and back films and it was easy. It has several separated parts.
[Touch HD Accessories] stuart.tavener:
Is there an invisible shield solution that covers the corners ? - this seems to be the bit that gets knocked the most.
[G1 Android Development] Land Of The Trill:
I hate to make a thread on this but would like to get started soon with learning how to root roms and add the kernel for multitouch and tethering. This is more for my personal use since I just want a stock rom with all the root benefits like jf use to and theses are the questions I have.

1. Will I have to take the update.zip file and extract everything and modify it then resign and I'm done?

2. I read some info on adding busybox and root which seem easy but when I run the chmod command and such everything will be through adb and the files will be on my pc so do I just make sure its all in the right directory and file path?

3. Where are the wallpapers stored in builds along with animations I will be looking into the framwork/framework-res.apk later but still curious

4. The modified kernel for tethering and multitouch is located where along with the market.db file?

5. What is meta.inf and how easy is it to make the cpu 528mhz standard also not sure what BFS and ASOP are haven't been keeping up.

P.S. I would really appreciate some help on this and I don't mind reading if this information is somewhere else so please provide a link and as always gotta show love to those who started this like JF, Hakuro, Cyanogen, Drizzy, and many more like daproy and kornub did a lot of helping.
[G1 Android Development] stefan.buddle:
You mean you hate starting threads in the correct place?
[G1 Android Development] bubonik:
Thats a fine line here. Although it is a question, it is specifically a development question. Its not a which rom do i choose?

Although android is "open source" these people dont give a **** about people trying to learn how to develop. They will pull the google line or something.
[G1 Android Development] ldf913:
yeah me 2

Trying 2 learn
[G1 Android Development] keemyb:
Im a noob, so I can only answer two of thosew questions

1. Anytime you modify your update.zip you will have to resign before trying to flash it onyour device.

5b. BFS: Brain **** (simple) Scheduler, something to do with the priority of running proccesses or something http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_Fuck_Scheduler. AOSP stands for Android Open Software Project, which i believe is just googles standard rom really (but I may be wrong)

I recommend you try out this rom though, kind of like JF but for Donut http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=538456
[G1 Android Development] keemyb:
Very Sorry, double post
[G1 Android Development] Land Of The Trill:
Thanks! I'm actually using that rom and its what has me so interested in this cause I hate having to flash another update.zip to get the full root benefits when JF just made everything available in one nice package but looks like I will just have to go through trial an error unless I get some more feedback cause switching between cyan 4.1.11.1 and JF1..51 is killing me and taking up space on my card.
[G1 Android Development] bubonik:
With my little to no knowledge, replacing the boot.img and some files in system/bin with the ones provided in theofficial expansion pack should give you all that you need. With no extra apps.
[G1 Android Development] ldf913:
yeah me 2

Yeah me too
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DarkDvr:
Done some searching in google, but can't seem to get a simple answer.

In Tilt 2 specs, AT&T says only their model will have "Non Camera SKU".. wth is it?

Link to release documents:

http://htcpedia.com/news/att-htc-tilt2-release-dates-detailed-specs.html?l_page=1&p_page=1

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DarkDvr:
Crap I just noticed I posted it in Raphael thread.. mods, sorry, if you feel it should be in Rhodium general, please move =)

Thank you
[XPERIA X1 General] clubx1:
You guys are failures. I think that pretty much sums it all up. Honestly i believe your going bankrupt in the next couple years, and i hope you do. People here at xda contribute roms (nearly perfect) for free . Keyword: free. While you guys refuse to even give us "Premium" Customers an upgrade to 6.5. Your customer service is simply pathetic, and the X1.5(X2) its going to fail, but hopefully it will sell good in Korea so you can give them SPB Mobile Shell 3.5 panel and Xtract 2 ( so inevitably we could use them) perhaps you should just make a special Korean version that shoots laser beams and is built from adamantanium. SE long story short I am disappointed in you, and so is everyone else with you. at least i think so.

That is all i have to say. :)

Please discuss or add on.
[XPERIA X1 General] comeradealexi:
Amen brother! We are being treated like Second Class Customers even though we have spent as much money as any korean. It is wrong that we have been segregated in this way.
[XPERIA X1 General] sx1-doc:
we bought premium device ,we got 3.class support (sometimes no support).

thanks xda for the support
[XPERIA X1 General] MykeChester:
come to think of it...almost all of us here bought X1 on the realease price compare to the price today...then the treatment is not fair...:mad:

maybe SE is a die-hard fan of the wonder girls in korea...:D
[XPERIA X1 General] esudl:
Korea

Not sure I understand the relevance to Korea,can someone full me in? Also, SPB Mobile Shell Panel 3.5, is there one?
[XPERIA X1 General] Jasand:
Korea is treated a lot better than the rest of the world with updates and software, Also there is a SPB 3.5 shell available do a search ;) oh if you meant panel im not sure but hope so
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
why is everyone complaining anything released in Korea can be found on the net and used on any region x1. the spb 3.0 panel works on any x1 and the xtrakt game was leaked long before the Korean version came out.

sony does not need to give a free 6.5 update on there year old product as they sold it with wm6.1 and never said or gave the impression that they would upgrade it.

if i buy a car and a year later they bring out a facelift model i dont get a free upgrade.

the only companies giving a free upgrade are samsung and htc, both said when they sold there phones that they would give a free upgrade.

also htc is not giving a free upgrade on the htc hd and that was released at the same time as the x1. they are only giving it on the products that was released a few months ago as a lot of people would have not bought them waiting for 6.5 to be released.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
there is a 3.5 but not as a panel. which makes the Korean panel out of date already so dont know why people are complaining.
[XPERIA X1 General] Jasand:
Exactly! LEAKED not OFFICIAL, I am not downloading many, many, many cabs on my X1 to make it slow just to do what the X2 does.

I want OFFICIAL UPDATES via SEUS just like KOREA, if they have something I want it to.

(damn I sound like a spoilt child) :p

I want it now wwwwwaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh wwwwwwaaaaaahhhhh!
[XPERIA X1 General] oTToToTenTanz:
the have done 2 firmware updates and there may be one more to come.

You still believe that, Ganondolf? And please...the software updates were minor bug fixes. Still no fast panels. And why the hell should we not get 6.5 when the X1 can run it perfectly.

Maybe the korean people get 6.5 Thanks for the nice thread opening post @clubx1
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I don't care who gets the sruff as long as someone does lol. Don't hate the Koreans, hate SE. i really do not care who gets what. The important thing is that we would get it sooner or later as well, thanks to XDA :).

Everything else in the OP is spot on.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
i dont care if they dont bring out a r4 update as my x1 runs fast and smooth. SE have already said that there will be new panels for the x1 (dont expect the tileware panel). so what if the x1 can run 6.5, u expect SE to pay and give u it free because u want to be a cheap scape. if u want 6.5 buy a 6.5 phone.

and dont give me the i dont want a x2 because it has the same cpu and ram moaning. sony and i dont care. buy a x2 or buy a different make 6.5 phone or keep your x1 but PLEASE STOP CRYING AND MOANING LIKE CHILDREN.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Frakking true!
[XPERIA X1 General] clubx1:
Im glad we are all sharing our opinions.

@ Ganondolf

I disagree with you on this case, the car example was horrible, im not asking for an x2 im asking for an OS. I dont understand why SE or HTC for that matter cant give 6.5 to devices that can handle it. Like i mentioned we have great cooks here and their roms are nearly perfect. What upsets me and many others is, if these guys can do it for free( or a beer :)) and make an excellent ROM, why isn't SE doing anything for us? End of the day its a matter of principle, you cant treat you customers like s***t and expect them to buy your goods, and be happy with you. I wanted to buy either the X2 or the X3 but after seeing how they treat customers and their updates ( lack of), i don't think i want to anymore.

@ everybody else

thanks for the discussion, keep it going, the more opinions the better understanding we have of how the community feels about the issue.

P.S the Korea comment was satirical, since they seem to get the latest stuff i thought id throw it out there.
[XPERIA X1 General] oTToToTenTanz:
"i dont care if they dont bring out a r4 update as my x1 runs fast and smooth. SE have already said that there will be new panels for the x1 (dont expect the tileware panel). so what if the x1 can run 6.5, u expect SE to pay and give u it free because u want to be a cheap scape. if u want 6.5 buy a 6.5 phone."

Well, it runs fast and smooth. But for me panels are too slow, there could be more panels. Videos have to be converted before you can watch them on your X1. All those things annoy me.

Of course I will buy a 6.5 phone - that's absolutely not the point!

But to consider buying a SE again I want 6.5 as an update. This phone is an "experiment" like they said and I don't want to be treated like that. I will subscribe every attempt to get another update since I paid so much for that freakin phone.

If you think we are winer, fine, no one forces you guys to follow the thread. Just go to youtube and watch some videos instead of wasting your time here...
[XPERIA X1 General] Mopral:
Maybe because SE will have to pay a licence to give WM6.5 to X1 user so they can't do it for free...
[XPERIA X1 General] clubx1:
"Maybe because SE will have to pay a license to give WM6.5 to X1 user so they can't do it for free..."

Perhaps that is true, but id be willing to pay for a 6.5 Official upgrade from SE, and I am sure others wouldn't mind either.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Do you know how the market (and the whole world) functions? If you need something, you have to pay for ot. If companies start giving stuff for free - what's the point of their existense? They shuld rename themselves "charities" or go bankrupt.

When you bought the X1, you got a phone (hardware) and an OS (software). Why would anyone give one of those things to you for free? Why should you get something, that you haven't paid for? It's another OS, not just a bug fix update.

Seriously, use your brain.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Perhaps? Perhaps what? Do you think SE got WinMo out of thin air?

About the paying for an official upgrade.

This is something entirely different and you can make a "are you willing to pay for a 6.5 upgrade" thread. Whining about not getting stuff for free and paying for the upgrade are completely different.
[XPERIA X1 General] caliban2:
i somehow agree about the update to 6.5 - it's not a free one from microsoft, so SE would have to buy a second license for each phone...

but orelsi, do you think we got our money's worth back with the x1 in the first place? obviously SE did everything they should have done for the x1 for the x2 with 6.5, and they started doing that half a year ago. (THAT'S what i'm complaining about, i can see on my x1 now what would have been possible with this hardware!!! but not officially.)

don't forget, that's the other side of how the market/world works: it's a buyer's market. but obviously SE isn't interested in a good reputation as a smartphone-seller. but so what, not my problem. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gsvnet:
Is it possible to have skinnier signal bars on GSM?

On Sprint CDMA phones it shows a total of 7 bars, whereas on GSM there seems to be a max of 4. The skinnier bars look a lot better, but I haven't seen a way to get these on a GSM phone.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] orb3000:
I would love to know if possible also?!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Cythrelo:
Unfortunately, as far as I've been able to tell, it only works with CDMA phones.

If you have the key: HKCU\ControlPanel\PhoneExtendFunction\CDMA\SignalStrengthLevel then you should be able to set it to 7 to get the skinnier bars.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] harry_01:
how to sim unlock Samsung i607 blackjak
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] orb3000:
As here we dedicate only to HTC devices you won´t get too much atention, but have a look in off topic, there is a thread regarding samsung.

Or try here:

http://forum.gsmhosting.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=67

Good luck,
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] harry_01:
thanxs bro i check it but not solution there .....

this is best site for windows mobile thatss y i m post here

anyway thanxs 4r reply
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jas_pik:
If you have black jack locked for some US networks try this ( no idea if it will work) :

1. get out SIM card from the phone

2. Enter the code on dialpad ( a or b)

a: * 2762 * 2878 #

b: * 2767 * 3855 #

3. press the green button

4. If it's OK you will see on the screen "please wait, formatting"

Phone goes HR but disappear lock
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] harry_01:
bro this code only work normal lock code mean security code not a Network code all ready try this not working

anyway thanxsss 4r reply