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[G1 Android Development] garok89:
i am sure you have all read the news.... google sending cyanogen a cease and desist order

http://androidandme.com/2009/09/hacks/cyanogenmod-in-trouble/

please cast ur vote in this thread as a petition

for anyone who doesnt quite get it, google is threatening the future of custom ROM development...not just cyanogens ROMs

you wanna keep using ur favorite custom ROM? let google know they cant push these guys around

although they cant stop us making roms, they want us to stop including google propriatory apps
[G1 Android Development] uberingram:
Where's the 3rd option for wait and see? Google has every right to do this however that doesn't make it any less ****ty.
[G1 Android Development] garok89:
a bit late now, cant edit polls i dont think....

anyway, kinda takes away from the impact
[G1 Android Development] iboomabstic:
I don't think they can do anything about it, they don't know where he lives. :o
[G1 Android Development] bluecluenj:
Wow thats great. Cyanogen and devs like him are what are keeping android relevant. Shut down the devs and I for one will go back to winmo.
[G1 Android Development] blueheeler:
Won't this affect all devs?

Won't this affect all roms?

If this scenario plays out, we will have a mess on our hands.

Why did the even bother to issue and distribute developer phones?

Maybe I just don't understand.
[G1 Android Development] uansari1:
Maemo 5 is looking better and better. Thanks a lot Google.
[G1 Android Development] AustinAce:
This is ridiculous! D:
[G1 Android Development] crpercodani:
Google......the new Apple!!
[G1 Android Development] Sxyman815:
cyanogen has gave everyone something lets show some support
[G1 Android Development] rasturn:
My Google Experience

Sucked!!!!! Not long ago Google and Tmobile sold me a piece of S#!T, that was slow only hold about 20 good apps. I was ready to throw it out the window under a moving bus!!!!! Cyanogen is the only person that made to keep this phone, but if no more usable ROMS, that Nokia N900 is looking real nice about now,or even the palm pre, i guess its time to start saving $ again
[G1 Android Development] hiroots:
wow wtf man. cyan and every other dev really did make android way better then what thery have right now. having root on your android makes using it so much easier. and! all the devs made htc and googles dev's work way better. i think there just jelous becuase they didnt push it earlier. also why didnt they stop haykuro when he was working on 1.5, damn man. lol cyan should make another sn and release it under there and says with help from cyanogen.

open source my a$$.
[G1 Android Development] bbuchacher:
cyanogen made me rethink the possibilities on my G1, if google follows through with this... dare i say it... ugh I WILL GO TO AN I PHONE.. barrrfffffffff

but i will cause seriously Cyanogen is a genius, they need to hire him to train their own dev's cause their **** aint got nuthin on cyanogen's roms
[G1 Android Development] The Reverend Gridlock:
Didn't google promise us open source well this goes against it in every way

If it is such a big issues than offer those closed source apps on the market and cyan can pull them out of his roms. Problem solved

If google proceeds in this direction, then i forsee android tanking

Every one here is either using something from cyan or has at some point
[G1 Android Development] bob50963:
Wow what a douche move google. The only thing that will end here is probably the busy android dev section. There will always be developing going on forums that allow illegal activity.

We will always have hacked roms :). We will just have to move to a new forum unless xda changes there ways.

Anyways looks like some one is jealous of cyans killer skills :)
[G1 Android Development] cloverdale:
They have absolutely no right to do this. Every bit (no pun intended) of the computing world should be open source. Anyone whom feels otherwise is part of the problem and an enemy to knowledge and free thought. An individual whom takes part in the suppression of knowledge is guilty of the highest crimes of humanity, and should be punished justly.
[G1 Android Development] abteer:
Yeah if Google follows through I'm getting the TouchPro 2 and forget about Android. G1 and Android is nothing without custom roms to me.
[G1 Android Development] garok89:
im amazed we had a vote for "no"

any member of these forums must realize the bigger picture with this....

about 30,000 installs of the CM-Updater cant be lying.....people love and NEED these roms....
[G1 Android Development] TheGreenJester:
While they do have the "right" to do this, it will not benefit them...

If it is the closed source bits that are the issue, then they are essentially saying it's ok to release a rom with every google app removed (no gmail, no maps, no youtube, etc.)

Do they not want their customers to use their services? Do they want me to use a yahoo email account? Do they want me to use mapquest? I fail to see how that would be to their benefit.

If they don't like him releasing these roms then they should do better themselves so devs wouldn't have to release them! Step it up google. I dare you to outdo Cyanogen. I double dog dare you!
[G1 Android Development] uansari1:
Some Devs need to make open-source replacement apps for the one's Google's making a stink about... then Cyan won't have any problems.
[G1 Android Development] timmsumm:
unbelievable

I've been running 4.0.4 for a few weeks now and was waiting for the next stable. Hearing about this bull$hit has encouraged me to go ahead and download/run 4.1.11.1 just to spite google. Phone is booting up now with the new build :)

It was so depressing to see the post on androidandme tonight. I thought I had found the perfect alternative to the crap winmo and the stuck-up iphone. Maybe not...
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
Has it every crossed your mind that there may be developers who think differently?
[G1 Android Development] fandroid93:
who where the 9 people who said that google should leave him alone?? huh i wanna know lol. hes one of the best cooks and googles gunna stop him!!!!

if the stop cooks from cooking goodbye android and not just me everyone.
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
This irks me did'nt they say you could build android the way you like itegrate google maps instuff in there android videos can someone look at them I'm on my g1 typing this that's bull-**** I think we all know what's this is about cyaogen ruining there debuite of the new market and features and that engadet and gimodo post plus the fact he could build patch and destibute donut before google even got close to there finish line
[G1 Android Development] X-i-phoner:
We all know Google isn't pissed about any of the closed apps except the new market. You can get all the closed apps off the market. They should be thankful the new market became available to root users. Root users are only a small fraction of the android users. If there is a bug in the new market we will find it. And if it’s a malicious bug it will only brick 30,000 phones instead of millions.

If Cyanogen didn’t include maps, Gtalk, ect.... Google would be *****ing because they are loosing ad space.

BTW I flashed the 4.11.1 ROM just incase.

Cyanogen should release 4.2 just to push buttons
[G1 Android Development] helfrez:
You my friend are a idiot. The whole point, had you read Cyans actual message, is that he ONLY COOKS for devices ALREADY LICENSED to have the google apps. He is not hacking non-google experience device to afterwards HAVE the google experience. All of the devices he writes roms for are already license to have these applications. The argument becomes very sticky at that point, because is isnt redistributing something new where it didnt already exist.

If a phone comes out that doesnt have google apps already, and someone hacked the rom to run with google apps, then I see every well where google would want to stop it.
[G1 Android Development] :
I agree caca. I think Cyanogen should remove all the google apps from his rom. I mean, cmon, there are scripts for 1 click rooting available. Someone could make a 1 click "reinstall all of the google apps freely available on the market" app.
[G1 Android Development] juniortux:
Why not to remove google apps

Where is DVD John ?? please help!! <-- its a joke

I guess the solution is to remove the google apps in the Cyanogen ROM, and I guess that the developer community can create their similar application, even the market can be created another apk repository, I don't think that is going to like it to google but if they force that I think that can be done.

I think that an Open Market repository could be even a good idea to earn some money to the open development in Android.
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
You can't get the official Gmail client from the Market though, right?

http://www.cyrket.com/search?q=gmail
[G1 Android Development] TommyPickles:
It's clearly obvious guys: The only difference between any previous Cyan versions and the one that got pulled was Market.

Market is the issue, nothing else. All the other closed-apps of Google's are already available on the wider marketplace.

And it's patently freaking obvious: It's because its a commerce app. It will never be open source.

Caca: If you are going to reply with such a simplistic response, at least tell me how you think differently. Else it is just noise. I noticed in another thread you weren't even aware the Microsoft has no Market equivalent. But I respect that you are at least asking questions.

1) Specifics aren't mentioned other than 'please remove closed apps'

2) Market. Without a doubt. It is the only difference between last versions closed apps and this one that caused C&D

3) You could simply create a ROM without the closed apps and push them across from a backed-up image.
[G1 Android Development] Janis:
@Cyanogen

Leave 'em out. I'll post instructions about how to back 'em up and reload them as system apps.

I'm liking the Open Market idea. It would give Apple a kick in, well, you know. Microsoft just charges devs an arm and a leg to get on theirs, and it's not even that great. It's there, but few use it. It would absolutely revolutionize app distribution for all phones. It would introduce a lot of crap, but it might just shift the whole paradigm. It might not be possible to do it entirely for free, but it could be non-profit. Brilliant.

Of course, there's always the old fashioned way to get an app. Right from the developer.
[G1 Android Development] TommyPickles:
helfrez do you read before you post and call me an idiot?

Cyanogen is correct and I support him about cooking for already licensed google experience phones.

However, he included a unreleased, unfinished non-public Open Handset Alliance-licensed only version of Market.

So when you said "All of the devices he writes roms for are already license to have these applications" you sir, are wrong.

Nobody in the general public who bought a G1 or Magic or Galaxy from retail has the new Market. Nobody in the general public therefore has a license for the new version
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
For the sake of moving the conversation forward, I'll ignore the part about the simplistic response, etc.

Thanks for your answers regarding my questions. I think you're making sense, but until we know more about the C&D we're just conjecturing. It might be that Cyanogen's ROM went past a critical popularity threshold that made Google really sit up and notice he was distributing their proprietary apps.

But it very well might just be the Market. I hope so, since it'll be released next month anyway and that would probably spare us all this drama.
[G1 Android Development] joe75:
cyanogen FTW!

complete bullsh!t... android is supposed to be open, seems like a very "appleish" thing to do :mad:

imho they should be grateful devs like this are pushing their hw/sw to new limits
[G1 Android Development] douglasjboehme:
Something else to consider is the popularity of CM. I completely agree that distributing the Market app was probably what set Google off but couple that with the CM popularity and I can see why Google reacted the way they did.

It's quite possible that Google isn't truly evil after all and is protecting themselves from the authors selling Android apps on the market. Who's to say that they didn't issue the order to stop the distribution of the CM roms until they could fix what really bothered them? It certainly is possible that they'll talk with Cyanogen about what they'd like removed from his ROMs and then let him continue. If that's true, I would think it'd apply to all Google apps such that CM could only release what is currently available. BUT, to contradict myself <grin>, I thought the 1.6 version of Market is already released just not by all Android "vendors"? For example, it's released, but T-Mobile hasn't issued their version yet.

Update: looks like Caca beat me to it on some of my points...I'll just leave this in place for now. :)
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
OAA

If your interested and have input for the Open Android Alliance post on this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=564263

because chances are alot of good ideas will be swamped by "No

dont do it" and other post like that.
[G1 Android Development] Tipika:
i am really speechless!

so bad, the only reason that i bought the g1, is the "homebrew" rom

When in march i tried in the store the stock rom, i thought "omg android really sucks" and if i didnt tried the cyanogenmod rom on my friend's g1, i would have NOT have bought one... i was even thinking to pay $$$ for an iPhone (though i was reluctant to do so)
[G1 Android Development] micahansel:
Is this really all about the new Market? personally I dont even think its that "Wow". Everyone is going for the GUI's on phones thesedays like the upcoming Moto CliQ...rosie was half assed and not even sold in States. Cyanogen has helped grow Tmobile and Google sales through enabling a better user interface. This is why people like the ipods... HTC has their hands tied with partnerships with Windows mobile on their devices, but Google can play the best of both worlds if they tread softly. Again, is this really over the Market?
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
hmmm...

Maybe they could also be making an example of him due to his popularity
[G1 Android Development] X-i-phoner:
Caca: Has there been a reason to put it on the market? You can’t even fire up the MT3G with out a Gmail account.

BTW Cyan isn’t even erased any app Google put on the stock ROM. As a matter of fact on 4.11.1 you cant even hide (that I have found yet) Amazon, voice dial, or voice search like you could in 4.04.
[G1 Android Development] :
this just spoiled my night.. WFT?? ok Cyan, if its the new market they are after, why don't you just not include it??? and see if they are pleased with that?
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
lol

Suppression at its finest haha:p
[G1 Android Development] prince.siraj:
Yes ,it's all about the market. In fact ,I agree that it's not that impressive although finally there is room for screenshots and even more app info... but still as it was pre-release not too smart of a move on his part... but hey it happened so let's just watch and see what happens. For the sake of Android ,I really hope Google doesn't't do anything dumb...
[G1 Android Development] :
does anyone know what they really after?? I mean, that new market was going to be released anyways later on, were they planning on making us pay for it? :(
[G1 Android Development] david1985:
google can't do anything is 2009 there's always a way to get around thing im still with my g1 and not a blackberry cause of j.f and cyan:)

google could suck it:p
[G1 Android Development] :
count on them to do something stupid, do they have an idea of how many people are involved in the project, how time consuming it must be, i'm thinking about the folks at cm-updater, the theme makers, and the community...

feel so powerless, it suddenly feels like someone out there has a power over my freedom
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
Hmm... That's a very good point. I sure hope that they put Gmail on the Market if they force Cyanogen to remove it. Android without Gmail would really really suck.

And yet again, we're all guessing. At this point we don't really know what caused the C&D. I'd love to hear something from Cyanogen himself.
[G1 Android Development] kayc:
f the police!! na but seriously if they do this ima go and buy an iphone
[G1 Android Development] The_Chrome_Coyote:
Market is without a doubt the reason they are acting now. We all saw the "check out the new market with Cyanogenmod" articles all over the android centric news sites.

All I can really do is donate my money to help, add my name to a petition, and to hope for a rapid resolution that doesnt involve me stripping my device of all google apps.

Off the top of my head, I could see google asking one of two things to make this simple; 1. Distribute Google Apps only when authorized to do so, 2. pay for a license to distribute said apps.

Has anyone considered that Google might be concerned about security? I remember when Autopatcher.com came under heat from MS the solution was to redirect downloaders to MS servers to ensure none of the packages were altered in any way, thereby uncompromising the end user's security.

As far as Google Inc knows, Cyanogen might have been adding code to market that gives him money whenever an app is bought through his ROMs. We all know this isnt the case, but with rooted phones we are much more exposed to exploits than a locked one.
[G1 Android Development] david1985:
i love the new market and there is no going back
[G1 Android Development] scoopman:
evil? yup

So much for "Do no evil"......
[G1 Android Development] BrooklynAvi:
Are you kidding? Google Mail and Calendar are my life. Everything I do revolves around those two programs. I can, of course, simply not upgrade. I have plenty of ROMs that work fine enough for me.
[G1 Android Development] ldf913:
woooow

Their ****ing crazy... google lost some point with me on that.... but even if they did... it would entise a **** load of people to break the google code and start developing because google is being such duetches
[G1 Android Development] amphillips822:
how f'n stupid.....

...with regard to all of the kick ass roms I have tested of his (and practically everyone else's).....those apps weren't even touched.....not to mention the fact that if you in fact already have a google phone....then, please correct me if I am wrong, those apps actually came in its original rom, therefore we were already "licensed to use".....where is the harm in the "re-distribution" of unaltered proprietary apps....be glad they were actually left in the rom, google.....btw, THIS IS WHAT ANDROID IS ABOUT.......FREEDOM!!!!!
[G1 Android Development] BrooklynAvi:
WELL put, sir. CyanModed Android forever! The only way I go to Apple is if I go clinically insane. I simply can't go back to WinMo now. As much as I used their [cooked] OS for more than a decade, they dropped the ball big time.
[G1 Android Development] Frogzilla:
those apps were on the phone when i bought it
[G1 Android Development] brooklyndiva24:
whats the point of open source if now google wants 2 beef about it. they hating on cyanogen when they should be appreciating his work. leave him alone
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
Sorry, but it's not. It's about *money*. As a publicly traded company, Google is under a legal obligation to its shareholders to act in their best interest (ie. turn a profit). "directors and officers of a company are bound by fiduciary duties to act in the best interest of the shareholders" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock#Shareholder_rights)

The fact that Android "runs on Linux" is just one of its marketing aspects. It helps to generate revenue from sales to the geek community and those who want to be cool by shunning iPhones and Microsoft phones, among others.

In this particular case, a vulnerable e-commerce app where credit card data could be exposed, etc. is a potential headache that can result in less profit in the long run.
[G1 Android Development] :
Yo, got an idea, I just sent an email to folks at lifehacker, trying to make them break the story.. If they do, we have a voice...

any one interested visit lifehacker and flood adam and gina with emails.. .
[G1 Android Development] ducamie:
this is ridiculous

google should be thanking him, nothing less
[G1 Android Development] itaxcpa:
Cyanogen rules

Google you should 110% support this man !!!!!!!
[G1 Android Development] oshizzle1991:
**** YOU GOOGLE YOU ****ING ****-PIRATES!

they are prolly gonna ban me for that one lol.
[G1 Android Development] brian_v3ntura:
google you should HIRE THIS MAN
[G1 Android Development] fit333:
Googicide..greedy apple ass. Buy the man a damn beer.
[G1 Android Development] Drizzy Drake Rogers:
google, first off your roms are wack, thats why we have devs like cyanogen to make them better. dont hate because he is a better dev than the actual guy who built these gay ass google roms, im just saying to leave my homie alone

kind regards

Drizzy!
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
long live cyanogen
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
You are so right...
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Well put bro
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
Ouch... According to this forum post, Google isn't just pissed about the Market. It's pissed about *all* their proprietary apps in the ROM :mad:

[20:03] <cyanogen> google just cease and desisted me

[20:15] <cyanogen> cyanogenmod is probably going to be dead

[20:16] <cyanogen> i'm opening a dialogue with them

[20:20] <cyanogen> no they are talking specifically about the closed-source google apps

[20:20] <cyanogen> and how i am not licensed to distribute them

[20:20] <cyanogen> my argument is that i only develop for google-experience devices which are already licensed for these apps

[20:20] <cyanogen> so we'll see what they say

[20:20] <cyanogen> maybe we can work something out

[20:24] <cyanogen> maps, market, talk,

gmail

, youtube

[20:28] <fudd> this is somewhat of a legal matter

[20:28] <cyanogen> no

[20:28] <cyanogen> not yet

[20:28] <fudd> and the situation may be delicate

[20:28] <cyanogen> i should not have mentioned it
[G1 Android Development] soba5150:
LOL @ Gay ass google roms haha Google should be signing this frigging man up for a JOB....not breaking his balls......:cool:
[G1 Android Development] chilln73:
If anything, Google owes Cyanogen a big fat paycheck.

The stock G1 phone and the standard Android build SUCKS. They have battery drain issues, they're slow ... they just plain suck

Google has been slow to make Android phones more attractive to regular consumers. They should just back off and chill.
[G1 Android Development] incudie:
Lame sauce...
[G1 Android Development] Adolflow:
If I understand it correctly, Google's whole argument rests on the fact that CM is 'distributing' these apps, even though they are available for download off the android open-source website. So what Cyanogen is doing isn't the problem, theoretically we could each and everyone go and download the source, apply the mods he's designed and flash our phones, which is all fine with Google. I think the problem is with the re-packaging of the apps under a different name or something.