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[G1 Android Development] MooNWalker:
I'd like to assist, though I haven't been programming for over a year and most likely got quite rusty. Nevertheless, if I can fit in, count me in:

MooNWalker

Comfortable with C/C++, though mostly math/physics modeling stuff. Have some little experience with assembler, don't feel awkward about studying java for the sake of this project. Will need though some time to prepare machine for works (up to week) 'cause it's being used for way other purposes then development right now.

Enjoy writing code and polishing things until they work flawlessly or just experimenting with making things to work together.

Can be contacted - mnwalkr at gmail.com

Average time - for now up to 4-6 hours per two days on average, later should be able to free more. Per two days 'cause sleeping once per two days.

Generally can work from 7:00-8:00 to 18:00-19:00 EST (GMT -5/-6), question only with leaving enough time to get personal stuff done.

Again, most likely I've got quite rusty with programming, but I'd be happy to contribute to creation of debian of mobile world :) so if I can fit count me in.

PS: also I'm russian/ukrainian, so can contribute to making language packs.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
alright i got some people working on the site once we get the site online we can start moving again i dont want to clutter this site anymore then necessary
[G1 Android Development] dchadwick:
Ready and willing

I am currently a java dev that fell in love with the G1 and sold his iphone to be ready for the Sprint Hero. Originally I was planning on writing a few android apps, more for personal use then for market demand.

With the whole bomb shell Google Legal dished out at Cyanogen (And really the rest of us) I would love to offer my help in dev, website design, or even just testing. Just keep us informed on what we can do and where.

I am energized by what the community is doing to recover from this and I believe that google has yet to understand the power this community can wield when under unified direction.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Updated 1st post
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
When Google throws you a C&D you take it and throw them a better Android lol

we can't let the potential die because of one instance but we have to protect from it happening again. We gotta learn from the mistake. Dont be oppressed and give up just change the route eventually this will be alot better then stock android
[G1 Android Development] MontAlbert:
maybe i should read the whole thread first but oh well- K9 for mail? Advanced launcher for launcher, betterbrowser for browser? not sure about all of these' openness but somewhere tostart anyway....

I think that google could rue the day they did this.... i am sure the dev's here can eventually come up with something better than the stock google apps anyway, and then guess what Google? we wont be needing ANY of your apps anymore!! Now that hurts your bottom line more than someone "distibuting apps" to people who have already paid for them!
[G1 Android Development] your_helpfull_hand:
I have lawyers so don't worry about anything when you post on my forum =) Send all C&D towards me ill deal with it =)
[G1 Android Development] test1551:
I completely support this

I wish i knew how to create ROMS, but i am glad this is happening
[G1 Android Development] ttabbal:
Grrrrr.....

I get things set up and now github won't talk to me. I'll keep trying.
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
Hey if you want to point it to the nameservers for our site let me know. :D
[G1 Android Development] priide:
Since a rom is being basically built from the ground up, is it possible to have multitouch built into it?
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
sky is the limit at first we gonna make it basic but eventually im sure it will
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
HTC Sync is a good sync alternative for people who have contacts on their computers.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
thats propriatory they might drop a C&D on us too so better safe then sorry
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
From HTC? Yea it is better to be safe then sorry, but I like it because it is like active sync, and it has an apk installer lol :cool:.
[G1 Android Development] bbutlerau:
open android logo

i just quickly whipped a logo for XDAndroid.

Still not sure bout the androids colour.. i thought we should change from the default light green colour scheem to really make it our own. Its a simple change but one that stands out
[G1 Android Development] carnegie0107:
Google let us down...

A lot of the Open Source community has put their hopes on Google. Way beyond Android, we counted on Google to show the world (AAPL and MSFT) that you can be profitable without DRM and restrictions, and to bring Linux and open-source to the mainstream. Now, they have been tempted by the idea that they can make more money by restricting knowledge and progress than by encouraging it. They have let us all down. But enough complaining and demonizing Google.

Now, it is time to return to the heart and soul of Open Source: the community. We will make Android what it should have been from the beginning: free.

This may not 'wow' anyone, or start Apple a-quivering in their boots with its shininess, but it will be usable, and show the world what it's like to be free. And if we can get enough interest... it just may 'wow' after all (after all, desktop Linux distros now have enough eyecandy and usability to shame both Mac and Windows).

Let's get to work!
[G1 Android Development] testing567:
Has anyone seen this yet?

http://groups.fsf.org/wiki/LibrePlanet:LibrePlanetItalia/replicant

It's called LibrePlanet. It seems someone else has had the same idea. It might be worth contacting them.
[G1 Android Development] jokeyrhyme:
Android Market vs Android Market application

How to fix or replace the Market

My main gripe with the Market is that a single application can hog an astonishing number of entries. If the Market didn't limit developers like it does now then we'd never see the following words in the names of applications: free, lite, donate, paid, pro. These words are aggravatingly unnecessary. I'm upset that the current Market forces developers to use them.

The market is full of semi-duplicate entries. We should not have multiple entries if it is the same developer and the same application with different feature-sets. We should simply have 3 distinctly different types of applications:

- completely free: there is a link to tip the developer, but even if you don't pay you get every single feature at absolutely no cost

- completely paid: you have to pay when you download, you can't use it at all without paying

- free with paid features: the main application is free to download and use, and there is a Market-assisted method for paying for additional features

In order to facilitate that third type, and to also remove the clutter from the Market, a submission to the Market needs to be able to specify a parent-child relationship to any application(s) it can be added to. If the submission has zero functionality without its parent applications, then it doesn't belong in its own listing AT ALL. This is the case for the hundreds of themes, etc. They should be accessible through the Market listing for their parent application(s) ONLY. They should NEVER appear by themselves unless they have valid uses by themselves.

Periodic subscription and free-to-try-for-x-days support should be made available to the paid portions of Market entries, because it's not for me to say what business models should be possible.

The Market application

If Google wants to keep their Android Market application, then good luck to them. It's awful. I can't believe we are only just now getting the limited free-versus-paid sorting features. This application is essentially a shiny database viewer. So it is just unacceptable how fixed the filters are. We should be able to sort by any field we want, and we should be able to filter by any field we want. We should be able to tag authors as our favourites. We should be able to make watch-lists of applications we won't install yet but still want to see updates for. The list goes on.

A particularly powerful Market application would be able to compensate for the deficiencies of the Market (stated above) by intelligently grouping entries by the same developer together.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
That is a good idea definatly not going to keep the same colors they might try to hit us with copyright on the icon/logos next lol :P
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
seems gream like theres steps ahead
[G1 Android Development] dmanbuhnik:
what about the ads?

what about the 'ad-mechanism' in android?

is that google close thing?

and even if that an open property we should add a new one that enable the developer to give ads from other sources and not google alone (it's going to hurt google were they can feel it, but that completely not the point, the developer should have the option to decided where and what about the ads in his application)
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
site is officially up: http://android.teamriot.net/ register now everyone

(this is the tempsite till we can settle the domain name issue)
[G1 Android Development] :
http://libreplanet.org/?p=p
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
Keep in mind that the link is temporary until we get our domain ready (openandroidalliance.com)

There might be a few odd things on the forums until I get the design working 100%

Please join and help out as you can :D
[G1 Android Development] bugarrun:
long live open android alliance

I personally never installed an Cyanogen rom before until all this google rattling. I managed to find a link on the net and installed his latest experimental buil as a measure of support. I will not flash to any other rom unless it comes from the newly formed Open Android Alliance.

I suggest we all do the same. A big thanks to Cyanogen and all the other great devs on this forum.

By sticking together we hopefully overcome this google problem.
[G1 Android Development] :
Guys Cyanogen just said in IRC that he is backing down and wont be any part of a fight with Google. This cant stop us. even if @Cyanogen is backing down we the community can still pressure Google to change the policy's that stopped cyanogen. We cant give up this soon. please work with me to pressure Google.
[G1 Android Development] aerok:
Nice template but I hate incomplete designs so I made this because I'm bored, don't use it if you don't want to lol.

Keep up the great work!
[G1 Android Development] bbutlerau:
Just registered at http://android.teamriot.net/

Also... what are we going to use as the base android system (i.e. android without the google CS stuff)? Cyanogen mentioned that he will be releasing a 4,2 ROM like this and there is also the AOSP etc. i personally vote for cyanogen's one cause of all the enhancements he worked so hard to put in eg BFS

Also can we vote for a base theme colour scheme to replace the default light green... see my logo on page 30 for example

i personally like blue but a bit lighter than the current logo i did
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
I registered at the forums.
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
OMG I love it. Adding it now.

Feel free to totally redesign it if wanted. I am up to new ideas.

Thanks aerok!
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
Will the link be redirected once the new domain is up? (Probably a dumb question to ask)
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
i personally would love if cyan was to creat the basis of our complete open source build as for the logo we can take a poll as soon as everyone is situated on the new form
[G1 Android Development] aerok:
Lol didn't actually think you'd use it, if I have time I'll make a better one :)
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
We should ask all the graphics people to group up and submit ideas to cyan, and which ever one he chooses should be the one that is fit :D.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
hey if u do chnge it make the android a cyan color lol
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
lol but its a community effort he can recommend one but what ever the community as a whole wants the community gets
[G1 Android Development] aerok:
Sure! I'll probably have time tomorow
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
cool sounds good
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
Ahhhh, I forgot lol. Then maybe a have poll of the top pics that cyan likes :p, then the one with the most votes goes.

I posted this on HoFo.
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
Yep!

I would really appreciate it :D

I was amazed you posted that so quick either way I love it and would love if you totally redesigned it if you wanted.
[G1 Android Development] ~~Tito~~:
I added the 2 links to my sig.:cool:
[G1 Android Development] Zoide_:
Actually, I think they're including BFS into the AOSP:

android-2.6.29-bfs
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
im trying apps on the market that would be good replacements for stock apps
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Nice ideas and i agree but at the moment we just trying to get somethin that can get google out of our phones for a serious OPEN handset haha but good ideas thanks

and superg05 keep us updated on what you find.
[G1 Android Development] farmatito:
If there is any C coding work to do I'm in.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Welcome Aboard

haha alrigght if i come across anything that has to do with C ill get with you on it
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
Cyanogen, i am in no way shape or form being mean or want to take away any of the GREAT and i mean GREAT accomplishments you have acheived, but i think we all need to understand what you did was illegal, you knew it (at least i hope you did), i knew it, and hopefully others who used your roms knew it. You included Google's apps in your roms, as ive said before your roms themselves are not illegal because Android IS open source, but apps such as google maps arent. I dont think the action google is taking against you for violating their copyrights on their apps constitutes an entire revamp of the whole market system that you implement in your roms. People just need to know where their rights to alter software begins and where it ends
[G1 Android Development] deepside7:
I say we stick it up google.

First, let's see what Google gets out of android:

They get our information. They get to see where we go, what we do etc. through the use of their apps.

So let's take that away from them. As people have mentioned, slideme.org is a great replacement for market.

I'd like to see all developers STOP uploading their content via market, and use slideme.org exclusively. I'm sure someone can write an app for slideme.org that will work similarly to market.

Google maps is free on the market, but screw it, we don't want to use it. There are alternatives, use them instead.

IM Clients are plentiful

Opera is a good browser, and there are other good options too.

The only thing we are reliant upon, is the synching.

I am a project manager, and I would love to assist in the managing of this 'project' , to ensure that google regret ever going against cyanogen
[G1 Android Development] digitallysick:
It would be far easier to just leave those few things out of the rom. Then later you can install them yourself, just not provided by him. Maybe just install the .apk files from a torrent later.
[G1 Android Development] N3xt2N0N3:
How about cyanogen makes a rom without any google apps...whatsoever and we just push them ourselves...

If we back up all the googles apps and than just pust them. When cyanogen makes a blank rom.

Idk just a thought.
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
we wouldnt have to push them, its free on the market, just because you cant distribute it doesnt mean you cant use it.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
What, you don't know how to download the source from AOSP and compile?
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
yes for now but the setup checkin and a few other apps including the market are closed.

I agree they have grounds on this but to un googlize android would not only be a cool project but protect from stuff like this in the future.

Accually I don't I never said I knew how, but I am wholeheartedly willing to learn. Basically I started a thread I know the outside of android and what Ive read from these forums and Im just putting it all together in a sort of brainstorm and i appreciate u helping in tryin to put this all together
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
lol

opps double post
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
lol, protect us from what, the law? Thats essentially what cyan did, break the law, we all knew that. to un-googlize google would be horrible, they brought android to us and now you want to cut them out?
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
right now im trying rmaps as a replacement it has good points and bad ones

the good points it lets u keep maps you loaded stored on your sd card and has different map tile providers other than google

bad suppose to have driving directions in stuff still can't figure it out nor do i see a listed directions sort of thing and no public directions

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[G1 Android Development] veritasaequita:
what about t-mobs stance on any of this? Do they actually have anything to do with this? or in any way have to take sides? not sure thats the only reason im asking, with that said ill do whatever i can to help the cause!!! UP with hope and Down with dope!!! Hugs not Drugs!!! lol, wait a minute thats for something different.....lets do this!!!!
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
wait, i thought it was drugs not hugs? well that explains why my life is so eff'ed up, lol, jk
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
This is a project for a limitless experience sure they gave it to us but why not make it so the device does what we want without having to deal with copyrights and by protected i mean from haveing to change up everything just cause someone says so if you dont like it then by all means use a dumbed down version or dare i say stock.

if there is an audience there is a product and this would be my product
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
what are these limits you speak of, there are no limits, android IS open source. Which means google says if you dont want to use their apps you dont have to, by all means make your own maps application if you want to, nobody will stop you.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
the limits i speak of are exactly what cyan ran into he has been pushing the limits and essentially reached them.

Wow he finally gets the picture of the project
[G1 Android Development] testing567:
I just had a eureka moment! I know how we can install all the closed source apps legally. The idea of remaking all Google apps is still a good idea so I'm going to post up my idea in a new thread. I don't want to clutter up this one. Give me a minute to type it out. I'll give you a hint. Have you ever installed a PlayStation emulator on your PC?
[G1 Android Development] buckbullstallion:
The Google Handset Aliance

Well I went to this SITE TODAY REGISTERED and relized that its powered by GOOGLE adsense, here we are trying to remove GOOGLE CRAP FROM OUR phones at thier request just to be visiting thier ads on this site. Well the IDEA is good but please if you are trying to get google apps off your phone dont support them on your SITE, I know they pay well, but there are other alternatives to be using. we need to show google that we want to not depend on them. BING BING BING.
[G1 Android Development] buckbullstallion:
What register NOW!!! so google can put money into your pockets.

This site is hosted by GOOGLE ad Sense and for right now I JUST WANT TO STAY as far away from google as possible. Please try other Ad alternatives. Thank you a very concerned user that Enjoys the Idea of ridding my phone from GOOGLE.

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@~~Tito~~ i like your get off googles leash and join the open handset alliance. However with Ads by Google on there and Google ADSENSE it feels like the site is misleading as this is a site as you say GET OFF GOOGLES LEASH. but with it being powered by GOOGLE ADS this is not the case. I would Have love to help develop and test, however Google betrayed the OPEN HANDSET ALLIANCE and now the OPEN HANDSET ALLIANCE wants to run a website POWERED BY Google.
[G1 Android Development] Zoide_:
In that case the most logical course of action for you is to sell your Google phone and buy one from the competition (iPhone, Windows Mobile, Blackberry, etc.). By selling the phone, you the increase supply of Google phones in the used market and thus bring down Google's prices overall. Not just in the used market, but also in the market for new phones as people will be tempted to buy used by the low prices. By buying from the competition, you will also be funding Google's enemies. All this would hurt Google far more than you fiddling with the software on your phone.

To keep your phone and yet whine... well, that makes no sense does it?
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VZHT389eR4
[G1 Android Development] bbutlerau:
yeah they are.. Cyanogen did lots more in perfecting android for everyone than just BFS although i wonder if the Android team saw the effectiveness of it then decided to use it lol
[G1 Android Development] ka8zay:
I agree there should be NO advertising on the site, at least not from Google. I will gladly take care of providing the servers for the web hosting that this program needs, I don't see any reason to be using ad's from Google to help pay for it.
[G1 Android Development] jokeyrhyme:
I think much of this anti-Google mentality is highly unnecessary. Remember, just because they open-sourced Android (or parts of it) doesn't mean they don't still control it. If you are serious about ditching Google, then you may as well just get yourselves Blackberries.

You only need to be discussing the possible replacement of a few Android applications. Don't make extra work for yourselves. :P

Also, from his post on his website, Cyanogen has found a loop-hole around Google's requests anyhow. If your phone came with Google applications pre-installed, then in a few weeks you won't even notice the difference. This will all be a crazy dream. :)
[G1 Android Development] doooshty:
People are acting so childish with this anti google stuff.

Google is doing what it believes is best for it, many happen to disagree, but it is there right.

We are simply trying to do what's best for us, and android. I understand that change sucks and I understand that many people have a problem with authority, but this is the type of attitude that will make cyan NOT want to be involved.

There is no reason to fight Google. They aren't preventing us from doing this, they allow it to be done.

This is more about Google's partners than Google itself. If it is correct that handset manufacturers have to pay for including the "Google experience" then this action is more to prevent their business partners anger than trying to attack us. Google still benefits from having their software on ModRoms, so the realistic conclusion is that this isn't a google issue, that it's brought on my other members of the open handset alliance...Google is just the mouth piece.

If you want to rage against the machine and fight the man, there are plenty of places where that is needed...this is not one of them.

Not Anti-Google, Just pro OpenAndroid
[G1 Android Development] ttabbal:
Is there an issue? EMail me and I'll set up the DNS I have to whatever you want. :) Maybe send www. to your new site and code. to the google code site? Or if you want to manage all the DNS stuff I'll point the name to your DNS servers, send me the IPs.
[G1 Android Development] LongeFlucht:
damn hilarious...my favorite rendition of that scene yet