yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
I can still get around slide to unlock with the settings quoted.

Tested this tonight. Found I can still access the start menu as I remember being able to before.

I applied the setting in Advanced, and imported the keyboard file. Even though I do not like the way PTT is mapped, I left it alone. Personal preference for me is 1 push of PTT locks it. Worst scenerio with that is that it will lock in your pocket.

How I did is exactly like this:

1. Slide open keyboard

2. Press Fn quickly

3. Quickly Press SMS / . with a very quick press.

(almost no time between pressing FN and pressing SMS.)

You're in. Now you can press the physical start button and do anything.

Pressing FN with a slow deliberate press and the SMS with a slow deliberate press will not launch it. But with quick presses I can get in every time.

I think the key to getting around it is very quick key presses and a very small amount of time between the FN and the SMS key.

I can do this with the internet key as well.

I can not do it with the email key or people key though.

It's still not a bad lock screen, but it is not 100% secure. I might continue to use it. I might not.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Huh. I hadn't tried quick presses before. No kidding. You're right. It does unlock with quick presses. Myth busted.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Even remapping FN . and FN Down don't work to prevent getting around this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Monfro:
New WM builds available!!

Finally new WM builds are available, thanks to DFT!!!!!!!!!

At the moment only 29008, posted an hour ago:

http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=444&p=77743#post77743

I hope that in a few hours we can put our hands also on 29009, 29011, 29014, 29017, 21689 and others...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: S2U2 Security FIX v2 - Not Good Enough

OK guys, I asked for your feedback because I liked S2U2 & the RAM memory savings (3-4MB) vs default NRG ROM's lockscreens and not locking my phone is not an option for me in case I loose it considering where I live or when I travel.

Thanks to posts by users in this thread, it turns out that there are a bunch on security holes in S2U2 so that's why I edited this post and stopped using it. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Nope. Even with these Settings I can still bypass the PIN.

Nope. Even with these Settings I can still bypass the PIN.

Lock device.

Hold device in hand.

Slide open keyboard.

position left thumb in FN key

position right thumb on SMS or Internet key.

Begin rapidly and repetitively pressing each button until the screen unlocks.

Even though a slow press of each will turn the screen off, when it is not locked. Doing the steps that I just listed will get you around this and get you right in, so you can bypass the pin.

Note: For SMS, I originally did the map to the SMS link like you did. I got around it that way. Then I switched it to power management like what you did for Opera. I got around it with the same steps.

If you truly need security, there is not a way to achieve it with S2U2 and the Tilt 2 or the Fuze. We went through this in September.

I would have thought better unit testing would have been done before you just threw something else over the wall. As a software engineer, if I did something like that, the QA team would be pretty pissed. Better to take your time and get it right. If it's truly a work in progress, then start a thread for the work in progress.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: S2U2 Security FIX Not Working

Thanks to posts by users like JVH3 in this thread, it turns out that there are a bunch on security holes in S2U2 so that's why I edited this post and stopped using the S2U2 lock/unlock app. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Holidays!

Happy Mardi Gras!!!!!

All this talk of lockscreens has me considering Throttle lock again. I don't remember why I didn't like it in the first place now that I think about it. I'll give that one a shot another time. I've got parades to attend.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Easier way to get around security of S2U2

Another flaw of S2U2. Plug it into your computer.

Press any number in the first pin number spot

You will be giving the radio buttons to select Active Sync

Active Sync will start.

You can then modify any and all files on the phone through your computer.

Explorer is slow, but there are better programs that let you execute code on the phone.

There are also tools to manipulate the registry on the phone from your computer

Such as Remote Registry editor, which is include with Visual Studio 2005 and Visual Studio 2008.

[HCKU\Software\A_C\S2U2]

PasswordLock

change the 01 to 00

Next time you want to slide to unlock, no pin is required.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 5318008:
You guys seem to have missed that part.

VERY slow connection speeds, frequent non-resumable disconnections, very long waits to download again once disconnected. I searched the forums before posting, quite a few other people have had the same problems. No, it's not my internet connection or firewall.

See above. Legitimate post, not meant as intentionally provoking; do a forum search and you'll find plenty of other people with the same opinion of HotFile.

After about a day-and-a-half, finally got a full DL of MaxSense. Nice ROM, more free RAM than stock HTC 6.5.3, I can run NFS Underground without closing Sense first.

On the downside, while I could run them before on stock, Bejeweled 2 and Spore Origins refuse to install. No specific error code given, just "install unsuccessful."

EDIT: After a couple reboots, Bejeweled 2 and Spore Origins installed after all.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Thanks to posts by users like JVH3 in this thread, it turns out that there are a bunch on security holes in S2U2 so that's why I edited this post and stopped using the S2U2 lock/unlock app. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
The only time I've seen the Sense email tab properly delete a message from the server is with a Microsoft Exchange email account.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
I didn't say that the phone does not stay locked.

The point is that you can access the registry from your computer.

Then after modifying the registry, no PIN will be requried.

Active Sync connects up automatically if that was what your phone was set to do last.

If not, but it was set to prompt, then you can access this, by doing the following:

I am at work, so I right now, I can only test with my XP Pro machine using Active Sync.

Step #0: If Active Sync is open on your computer, close it.

Step #1: Turn display on phone.

Step #2: Plug in USB.

Step #3: Press in first box right after it appears

Step #4: Press the number 2 on the display.

Notice that the window that lets you select how you want to connect appears.

Step #5: Select active sync and then done.

Notice that computer connects up to the phone.

Now use Remote Registry Editor on the computer.

Change the reg entry that I mentioned.

Now slide to unlock does not require a pin.

The only way around this security issue is to set it to always connect as a disk drive, so only the SD card could be accessed. I have not figured out a way around that yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
WinStart - Settings - Connection - USB to PC

All,

If you are using WinStart and you decided to try some of this out with Slide to Unlock and want to change the way you connect.

Start->Settings->Connection->USB to PC does not work with WinStart.

So, if you had checked to not get prompted, then you are a little bit stuck.

But, I have exported registry settings that will prompt you on your next connection.

Just rename attached txt file and import it.

You will begin geting the prompts on your next connection.

I had disabled it and could not easily reset it.

I had to Uninstall WinStart. Then use the settings. Then reinstall WinStart.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rkub:
Another easy way to get around the S2U2 lock is to just reset the phone...lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Disable S2U2 with just a soft reset.

Interesting.

I know mine is set to start up automatically, so I first thought you must just not have that setting set.

But, doing a soft reset. Then keep tapping multiple times in the spot to launch ArkSwitch.

(Probably if the timing was perfect you could just tap once.)

ArkSwitch comes up before S2U2. Then you can use it to kill iLock2.exe.

And you are in. It won't automatically lock after dimming screen.

Or when it boots up, you can just use the start menu, becasue that is visiable and usable.

Then use WinStart's task manager to Kill iLock2.exe

Or use the start menu to launch a task manager to kill it.

It is weaker on security than I originally thought.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: S2U2 Lock App is Garbage for Rodhiums

OMG, you are right! :eek:

Which brings up a few questions:

Since S2U2 is useless as a secure lock/unlock app for our phones, could you guys edit your posts recommending it in this thread as that's where I found the suggestion to use it. I will edit all my posts about S2U2 and replace the content with security warning and mention the flaws that were posted in the last couple of days. For example:

JVH3 mentioned often that S2U2 was not secure but only about the hardware keyboard & that's why I tried to fix it.

Could the security flaws of S2U2 on the Rhodiums be added to the FAQ on page #1? Basically it's just good enough to prevent the phone from turning on by itself in your pocket if the top power button gets bumped by accident.

To the above I would now change to: If somebody knows a SECURE lock/unlock application that uses less memory than the two found in the cooked-in NRG ROM's, please post a link to it!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rkub:
I've actually only used S2U2 as a regular lockscreen, meaning I only use it to keep my phone from being turned on... I've never thought of it as a security program. From the beginning I've known that a reset will allow you back into the phone. Since most of the lockscreens out there aren't really secure, whenever I suggested it I never thought about that part of it... Maybe we need to differentiate between a lockscreen and a security type program...

Fortunately I don't need that much security on my phone, otherwise I might be looking at the Atrix w/ the fingerprint scanner...lo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I was very clear in my recommendation of S2U2 to others. I've never claimed it was completely secure. Even in one of your quoted posts of mine, I mentioned that it was not recommended for users who need enterprise level security. This includes users who have certificates pushed. I still highly recommend it to anyone as it is a wonderful lockscreen. It's all based on what your needs are. I personally don't need that level of security. I like the customization options of S2U2 more than anything.

Asking us to edit our posts is a bit extreme. Just because it doesn't live up to your own expectations doesn't mean it won't be useful to someone else. I use mine to keep the device from butt-dialing. I'm not always able to wear my holster, so I need it to stay locked. Having a PIN lock also keeps it from unlocking with a simple swipe. I've had it unlock a couple of times before in my pocket with the swipe action, so I now use a PIN. It's all about what you personally use it for.

There's another lock application in the paid apps forum called Crimson Lock. It seems full-featured, but I haven't checked it out yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Once again I will be the party spoiler, but honestly, I am tired of reading about applications (BattClock, S2U2, etc.) and now even a post about another device (Joe, I am not picking on you, just using it as an example).

I hope NRGZ cooks another ROM soon, full of bugs, so that we can focus on the original reason for this thread.

Can we please stay on topic?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rkub:
It should be the future of smartphones but Moto and AT&T killed that. No HSPA, no custom roms, no webtop w/o a dock (that costs at least $130), and Motoblur stuck on the phone... I've been waiting for this for a few months and w/ the costco discount making it only $119 I almost bought it, but after reading about it here and some other forums I don't think I will be picking this phone up... Soo many people bought and are now returning it's crazy... You'd think Motorola would figure it out but I guess we're still in the minority...

Sorry for off topic post, been killin myself the last few days tryin to figure out whether to buy it and it's kinda spillin over into all other aspects of my life...lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
I know that I am guilty of responses to alot of the recent the off topic activity.

I think if off topic things are going to be introduced, the posts should be limitted to 1 post with a link to another thread or a post in another thread. A very brief description of the item. Not a full illustration. That belongs in the other thread. No claims that it works perfect.

Then any troubleshooting or debate can occur in the other thread.

Example:

Now all conversation can occur in the other thread. And there would only be 1 post in this thread. Those that care will read in the other thread. Original poster can later update it to say:

When claims are made in this thread and you know them to be false, you feel compelled to post in order to prevent others from applying things without full knowledge that could result in problems.

This simple 1 post pointing to the other thread or post would prevent alot of clutter.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lean04:
i´ve been looking for the same, when i had s2u2 in my diamond it showed more than 1 appointment, i´m using standard lock screen and can´t figure how to get this working
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Apps For NRG Rhodium ROMs Off-Topic? - S2U2 Posts Updated

OK, let's delete all the posts about third-party apps recommended to better performance, functionality or convenience for NRG Rhodium ROMs in this thread. Let's start with all the Winstart posts vs. the cooked-in Start Menu layouts. :rolleyes:

Talking in passing about other phones is OK IMO as long as it does not hijack the thread. It helps this thread staying alive and interesting IMO like the recent ones about Rhodium users' blues about their toy getting old compared to newer stuff. Same about how third-party apps play along with the NRG Rhodium ROMs and our phones, especially stuff like WinMoSpeed for overclocking our phones or tricks to help our RAM memory starved devices in conjunction with the current NRG Rhodium ROMs memory usage for example.

For example would I have received all those reports/feedback's about S2U2 vs. NRG Rhodium ROMs and our phones in the almost dead S2U2 thread? One may want/share experiences from users he knows/trust and are using the same ROM/phone as he does.

******************

BTW I edited all my previous posts about S2U2 with this warning:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11893700#post11893700 | http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11918253#post11918253 | http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11929856#post11929856 | http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=11935732#post11935732 as well as the Hasta Luego post as I calmed down but still would like a more courteous tone from some of you... ;)

As usual:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: Future of Smartphones

I'm not talking specifically about that model which is the first of it's kind but about the idea of the phone as the heart of any display/keyboard empty shell interface becoming a usable laptop, desktop or tablet form factor. A truly pocket PC. :cool: Naturally Apple & others prefer selling to us individual devices with each one having it's own CPU, memory, graphic cards, adapters & cables, etc. and us having to sync & carry them around...

But let's get back on topic. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
You're taking this out of context here, man. We're not upset by the discussion. You have to understand that threads are for discussion of the topic of that thread. Asking about apps is all fine and dandy, but mmalka is right. All these full blown discussions need to be moved elsewhere. This thread isn't a hang out spot.

It isn't just you either. I'm guilty of contributing to it as well. Keeping the thread alive isn't that big of a deal. We all watch the hotfile folder for new stuff on a regular basis. When someone needs help, we need to have the thread clear and on topic so that question doesn't get lost. Having a huge thread like this also discourages users (unfortunately) from searching as they should.

I've mentioned it to you before that you really should start your own thread where you can put all of your tweaks and changes to the ROM. The majority of your stuff isn't specific to this ROM and could be enjoyed by other users of different ROMs. That way you could receive the feedback you want. You can't really blame users for not providing you with feedback in a thread for discussion of Energy ROM, not tweaks or add-ons to it.

Again, not bashing you as I've done this too. We do need to get back on track, though.

Back on topic

DFT has finally gotten their servers back online. We're starting to see some of the builds leak out of there slowly. 29008 came out on Sunday. There are a few more yet to come. Expect a ROM update soon.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
New 1.8.5 ROMs

Wishes have been granted tonight for some of you. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lean04:
sorry about my ignorance, i have the nrg rom feb01, is there much differences with the feb27 one?

because i´ve finally set it the way i like it, i don´t want to flash again unless it´s worth doing all over again...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
If you don't see an updated change log for a new ROM, then consider it a minor update. It's up to you. There are new ROMs on the way, so you might want to just hold off until a new build slips in.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Seriously. Are you just a troll are are these real questions?

First, you ask about S2U2 after posts were just talking about how things need to get back on topic.

Now, you ask about the diff between Feb 1 and Feb 27 ROMs. New ROMs are coming soon, so why would you not just wait until then. And there is a changelog for the Feb 12th ROM when new packages came from the OBOE. Also, for the ROMs of the 1st, 12th, the 19th, and the 27th, I gave full review of all. And there is a link to a post with links to all my reviews in my signature.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: Changelog

Really? :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Do we really need to go over this again? NRGZ28 has already cleared this up for us. He'll let us know when major updates happen. If you don't want to flash without knowing first, then don't. It's very simple.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Cleaner Thread

Guys, is it necessary to always include a huge signature even for a short one liner reply?

Use it with parsimony & some will maybe notice them more when they do appear IMO.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RemE:
I still think SU2U is the perfect anti-butt dialer for the Energy rom, no more, no less.

I held out and stayed on Cookie 1.8.5 until it was no more. Then I reluctantly went to 2.0, configured it lite like my old 1.8.5 preferences and was amazed that it was way faster than 1.8.5 ever was. So I wonder, why go back??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
NRG said he had several requests to resurrect it.

Is anyone interested in a Sense 2.1 Energy ROM? They were discontinued a while back, but it looks as though no one is making them anymore. Even Jackos doesn't update his any longer. NRG had considered bringing it back if enough people were interested. It would be one of the "once-a-month updates" if it comes back. That means the updates would be about in the same time frame as MaxSense.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Monfro:
Wm 6.5.3 29009

Prepare yourself for a flashing marathon:)

DFT is working again and the roms that M$ prepared in the last months are appearing.

NRGZ is cooking the new bunch of roms with 29008.

Speaking of latest WM builds, here it is 29009, thank to AndrewSh and DFT (link to the thread for new WM builds):

http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=444&p=77912#post77912

In a few hours/days also 21689, 29011, 29014, 29017 will appear.

NRGZ will have a lot of work, to prepare new roms...

So be prepared!!! (and hope all together that Oboe will receive another update in the next 1/2/3 months).

PS. The link above is for naked WM builds, so nothing you can download and flash.

But with them NRGZ and other chefs will prepare new roms.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: anti-butt dialer

But keeping in mind that according to Task Manager: S2U2.exe uses 2.7MB of RAM memory + it's companion iLock2.exe only 52KB, that's

all the time

even after unlocking.

If one can be content w/ just a long press of the power button to turn off the screen then there is no reason to use it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lean04:
not trolling,

my first question was about the standard lockscreen and amount of appointments shown (i mentioned i am used to s2u2 in my old diamond with that particular function), not about s2u2 itself...

the second question: i used the search engine but i flashed about 2 weeks ago when i got my rhodium, it´s really hard to read more than 3000 pages of posts...

no trolling meant, just new at this as i mentioned before..

thanks anyway, i´m reading your review and it´s useful so far..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] blutruck:
New Roms are up!!!

New Roms are up 29008 Downloading now. Let the flashing Begin!!:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: New Mar.08 ROM?

Why? Any speed gain (fluidity) or less RAM memory usage or new features or new apps or new graphics? :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
As you have a spare device, why don't you flash and tell us?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
New builds / differences / how to know.

Try to keep up. See the post just a few back from Monfro.

This is with build 29008.

We have never had builds of 29008 before. It a whole new build of the core operating system.

When leaked builds come our way, nobody including chefs knows what the differences are. Micorsoft is the only one that would know and they do not share this information.

Until we, the users, thoroughly test them, we won't know.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Monfro:
For sure Java Jbed 20090506.2.1 is cooked instead of 20081203.2.1 that was cooked until now.

In Rhodcdma wm6.5.3 roms we received a new dialer...i don't know if it will be cooked also for gsm rhod.

29008 seems really snappy. Always a new rom takes some hours to settle...this one is fast from the first minutes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Changelog - March 8

Release notes

March 8th, 2011

* 29008 Build.

* Java package updated

* Some dialer revisions

* Provisioning revisions for CDMA devices

* .net errors with 28XXX build hopefully eliminated

* etc...