yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Cool, I'll look into that. :)

Good point... mine doesn't lag for 5 seconds fortunately but I'll clear out my text messages and emails a bit to see if that helps. Cheers!

Ah thanks. Perhaps I'll add in the cache tweaks that I normally use and see what happens. I felt that the memory didn't get eaten up as quickly on the Aug 25 (Standard 23xxx) ROM, even though if you use the phone for long enough the free RAM value seems to get to the same point eventually. :)

On a separate note... the other thing noted on other threads is that the "Storage Card\Application Data\HTC" folder doesn't return (or get used) when you delete it from the SD card in the latest Sense incarnations. Does this mean that what was there is cached somewhere else now? On the device itself maybe?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hx4700 Killer:
This is true for ANY sense tab though is it not? I have not tested without album art to see what impact there is but I always assumed it was the searcher firing up to see if your library had changed.

At boot time however, I see no difference with or without the SD card installed (well not true plugging and then unplugging shows that it eats 1 MB but it can be empty and do that)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hx4700 Killer:
If you want to save yourself the trouble of the cab on doc indexer it is just a reg entry.

HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila\HTCService value: DocIndexerService

That value is changed from: DocIndexerService.dll to DocIndexerService.bak

Giving a bad name to the service in the reg tells manila to load the wrong file thus "defeating" it. You can in fact play with lost of those and turn them off or on as you like. I don't use the stocks tab due to the delay so I have ygoservice renamed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fcasoli:
Swype multilanguage

Hi,

I have the same problem with HD2, Swype doesn't support Italian, how can I add it?

In past ROMs I remember a multilanguage version, I hope NRGZ will think for "international" users :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] palah:
So take that Twitter still acting up on 25th roms? its not a big drama on current rom as only need to go out and then back to be able to scroll to top of messages but will flash 25th if any benefit...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JonHillas:
Facebook problem

Anyone else got this?

I have tried all the August basic Energy ROM's and the Facebook application isn't working correctly.

Every posting comes up as if it is sent to someone, the same person, and I don't even know the person.

Cheers!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MarkEMarkEMark:
Thanks hx4700 Killer - I didn't have that key, so I think that answers my question, in that the .cab is no longer needed. Cheers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mysterd:
Sorry for the double post, but maybe it's the wrong thread for the question ? Does anyone know of a thread dedicated to the Android lockscreen ?

Am I the only one who needs to see upcoming appointments on the lockscreen ?

Thanks,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] serstylz2:
Also for anyone that doesn't have it, highly recommend getting CleanRam while using this ROM
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rcgators:
mmalka, First off, let me thank you for all the help you give everybody. I've never had to post a question because I can usually find the answers that you and a few others graciously give.

The actual data is stored on disk however the catalogs or listings appear to be kept in ram probably for performance. I've watched the ram drop after the music catalog process starts and much of it is not recovered. My backup SD card had half the music and I noticed more ram available until I synced it to match.

When syncing gmail, although I only keep a handful of messages on my phone, the server had 400+ messages in inbox. The first sync after a restart, my ram dropped significantly. Cleaning out my inbox on the server helped. Here I assume it allocates space when downloading the headers but never releases it. It's not a leak since it's reused but it's also not freed. Without seeing the code, some of this is hypothesis and in the case of email, testing the hypothesis further isn't worth the effort.

By removing the win program screens, my running ram sits at 55meg after 3 days. Before, the ram was 30-35 meg within 24 hours which was not enough for Opera (slow) and SkyFire(failed).

Holding off flashing for 3 days has been torture but worth it since I know I can now run without restarting daily!

Edit: just saw all the other posts... didn't realize I was going to start a discussion...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DENM77:
Good Morning,

Newbie here. I am also having a problem with the Facebook app. It lets me log in, when when i select the Facebook App from the menu, i keep getting the message :

"The file facebook cannot be opened. Either it is not signed with a trusted certificate, or one of its components cannot be found. If the problem persists, try reinstalling or restoring this file"

I have had this problem with the last 3 or 4 Rhodium Sense2.5 Reference ROMs released this month. However, when flashing the one Energy one, the app works fine.

Anyone else in the same boat?

Dennis

HTC Touch Pro 2 T7373

Energy.RHODIUM.23678.Sense2.5.Reference.Aug.25

Radio 4.49.25.91
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] J_M_H:
YouTube Problem?

Hello folks.

I'm using the Energy RHODIUM 23678 Sense2.5 Reference Aug.25 ROM and everything seems OK except for YouTube. When I run the app, it works until I try and view the video. I then get "Connecting", followed by an error window "Connection failed. Please try again". I know it's not my connection, since all the other web based apps run.

Anyone else having this problem? Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] luqasss:
I used always last version of ENERGY rom and use lockscreen from Settring/System/Lock Config. I have this log time... in every single rom :( realy. I always flash with TASK29 so i have always "fresh" mobile os.

Maybe the problem are outlook's contacts ? I always synchronized after flash. Rly dont know where there is a problem
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tvandegr:
I have this on a different chef's rom also. My bet is that it is a Facebook API bug. For me though the "sent to person" is the first person in my list of friends.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
The "sent to person" seems pretty random for me, but I have the same problem. I never had it before the Aug 24 ROM. As you said, I suspect it is a Facebook problem rather than a ROM issue.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Yes. HTC is consistent about never freeing up cached data for any tab.

Restarting Sense actually does recover this memory, so it is not a true leak. It would be nice if the HTC programmers of Sense would have handled caching of data in a way that would eventually free it up, if not used for a configurable amount of time. Or had some setting to configure the max size off the cache, so things would get pushed out by longest time since needed once the space was nearly full.

Going to the music tab eats 7 MB for me that does not come back until Sense is restarted or a soft reset. I suspect that is the album art.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lffoong:
Do anyone have a cab to change the stock sense (energy standard) quicklink for 9 to 16.

The standard ROM is way faster than cookie. Since more quicklink is the only things tht I need, standard ROM will do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
Would a 4 column program tab work: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=674624
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] PhantomYoda:
This is a Facebook problem and may be connected to the HTC coding. It started about 2 days ago. It is NOT a rom problem. I am still on a rom from about 3-4 updates ago (haven't had time to update) and am seeing it on my phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] buffalosolja42:
Max Sense ??

I haven't used it in a while but was curious again :p

is it as fast and stable as the new sense roms? Just questioning before I plunge and jump right back (possibly) thanks guys.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Here is what I found on my tests:

- Rebooted the phone and waited for it to settle. 57Mb free RAM.

- Changed my e-mail settings on the PC, from "all" of the inbox to only 1 month. Synchronized. RAM still at 57Mb.

- Moved from Home to the People tab. RAM dropped to 54Mb and recovered to 56Mb.

- Moved to the Messages tab. RAM dropped to 55Mb, and then went up to 56Mb.

- Moved to the Mail tab. Memory dropped to 53Mb, and then went up to 54Mb. Going back to Home kept it at 54Mb, but interesting enough, returning to the Mail tab showed 53Mb again, and then recovered to 54Mb

- Moved to the Internet tab. RAM dropped to 52Mb, and recovered to 53Mb.

- Moved to Photos & Videos and RAM dropped to 45Mb (!), recovering to 47Mb. Going back to Home gave me 50Mb, and then 53Mb.

- Moved to Music tab. After artwork was refreshed, got 43Mb, recovering to 44Mb. Going back to Home gave me 46Mb, and then 50Mb

- Moved to the Calendar tab. Memory dropped to 49Mb (using Agenda view), and stayed. Moving to Home gave me again 50Mb.

- Moved to the Stock tab. Dropped to 49Mb and recovered to 50Mb.

- Moved to Weather tab. Dropped to 48Mb. Going back to Home gave me 49Mb.

- Moved to the Settings tab. RAM dropped to 48Mb and stayed. Moving back to Home gave me 49Mb.

- Went back once more to the Mail tab. Got 48Mb, which recovered to 49Mb back Home.

- Went once more to the Music tab and back Home. Dropped to 42 Mb, and then back to 48Mb.

My conclusions:

1- The number of e-mails does not seem to affect the RAM.

2- Sense uses at least 1Mb every time you visit a tab. In some cases, it recovers it, in some cases it does not. May be this is the "leak" we've been seeing.

3- The artwork seems to cause some RAM use, but it seems to recover some of it once you leave the tab.

Individual results may vary, according to the ROM flavor, Sense settings, and what else is installed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
I see the next appointment on my lock screen. Do you mean more than one appointment?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the show stopper:
i have a problem .... my ring volume is too low now .... i can barely hear it. i installed srs but still it is same.

does anybody know how can i raise ring volume ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] AlCapone:
no WIFI ?

I cannot get any data over WiFi /WLAN/ Wireless network using these two releases;

It associates just fine (WPA-PSK) , and get IP- but I cannot use the net

Energy.RHODIUM.21914.Sense2.5.Aug.22

Energy.RHODIUM.21914.Sense2.5.Aug.25

(used extra words for searching)

Anyone else have the same problem ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] PUTALE:
I agree that the music does take a lot of ram and they do not seem to close after you have used it. Though the latest rom does not seem to cause the phone to run slow even if you play the music. However, I really would love to see a rom that uses less ram.

btw, I notice that the new rom has a slightly different interface that gives a bit of coverflow look when you turn your phone side4warey. However, with the latest sense from ATT, HTC seems to remove such option and simpy shows the cover of the currently played song. I am curious maybe that will help a bit with the performance and ram use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Yorkshiretaff:
I use this one...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RemE:
I've used both roms, no WiFi issues, works fine on my LAN.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Yorkshiretaff:
Sorry, Aug 22nd working just fine. Set up my new router today with no problems. Have you tried connecting without any security active on your router... always best to test that way first; just don't forget to switch it back on.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mark72501:
From the Chef's Twitter feed...

The Chef has tweeted the following...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] thebritons:
[!] games,

[!] htc messaging,

[!] def that htc touch notifications screen launcher? or maybe im crazy...

[!] and possibly any boot screens that could slow the load?

[?] this is more of a trade, but: QuickMenu for the reg windows start menu would def help.

idk how much of that is already built in and not really taking up resources...

/just ball-parking here
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lukas320:
About the games , i should say , delete the games that are now on and add some more fun games , like tetris etc ;D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lukas320:
woops posted wrong xd
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] acti84:
where can i find the language versions of the rom??? i tought a german version is released? :confused:

im using aug 25 rom and also have troubles with facebook, but no random freeze anymore
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Responding to NRGZ's request:

Apps I would like to see removed (I know a lot of people won't agree, so please DO NOT POST disagreeing, but rather post your preferences - NRGZ asked each one's opinion, and this is mine):

GPS: ChartCross GPS Test and HTC GPSTool. I would like to see added TomTom, as the application is free and normally ships with HTC phones (the maps are sold, so it would be illegal to add them).

Multimedia: MP3 Trimmer (can be done on the PC), Streaming Media

Tools: Backup FavPeople (MS MyPhone does it), Marketplace, PIM Backup (MS MyPhone does it), Shake and Save (My Mobiler does the same and more).

Internet: Facebook (unless it is needed for the Sense tab, otherwise it is redundant), Palringo, Windows Live, Messenger, RSS Hub.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigWopHH:
Applications I'd Like Removed

As per NRG's Current Tweet.

Internet: Messenger and Windows Live Can Go (Palringo is awesome)

I'd also like to see Opera 9.7 removed in favor of Opera 10

GPS: ChartCross GPS Test (never needed it)

Multimedia: MP3 Trimmer, Streaming Media (never used them)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Try this... Go to wifi screen through comm manager, then on the bottom goto advanced, then pick the network adapters screen. The first adapter (for me at least, maybe a glitch from settings exporter?) had that adapter connect to work not the internet (the drop down box on the top) I changed that and viola!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hx4700 Killer:
This in no way shape or form is meant to be negative about the chefs roms.

I do not know how or why but I am using the latest AT&T Rom as my base and.... I stripped out all the AT&T Packages (except ATT wifi hotspot app and vlingo) removed PTT and video call (kept the needed DLL's only for the phone to look/work right) and have since added BING, Google maps, windows messenger, advanced task manager and advanced config, bsb tweaks, resco explorer and photo manager (I own them), shake & save, xda-uc, task-manager 3, RSS HUB from leo, internet sharing app(wifi router). Manila tabs added: Manila TV, Facebook, Document browser, ereader and footprints (although its not 100% yet), and recent calls. Doc reader and browser are disabled by default.

With the start menu added it runs 92-93MB free, with quickmenu installed and no HTC start menu it runs 104MB free.

My point, if you are thinking lightening the app load will free up ram you will probably be dissapointed.

P.S. his reference roms ARE light :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Per Request about lite ROMs: I'm not sure if cooked in apps take more/less RAM and such... but what about Just the ROM with nothing but sense and cookie... even all the sense tabs removed (or most of them). Then a folder (or 1 per flavor) on the addon site with everything else available? The sense tabs, the programs... Once people get the config they want they can just XDA_UC install all the cabs and you can focus on just the core of the OS? If it's feesible it might stop all the complaining I've read. I think you've done a great job (not sure how you keep it up... ... unless it's your ORD. :) also, I know you don't use it but maybe a sense tab cab for skype mobile? Keep up the good work!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cediesaid:
i wish there was an app or something that you can stop/block text messaging. but keep receiving calls. lol random.

but just updated to the 25th. smooth no issues! thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] wmg316:
I vote to remove the following:

HTC GPSTool

ChartCross GPS Test

Remote Desktop

Messenger

MP3 Trimmer

Lock Device (and replace with S2U2)

Facebook TAB and Facebook App (mobile Facebook through Opera is better than either one of these!!)

Backup FavPeople

PIM Backup
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dafunk60:
I wouldn't vote to remove any programs as I never have a lack of storage memory. I would be very interested a "program memory" light version but am happy to hack that up on my own :D

Thanks NRG for sharing your excellent work!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] wmg316:
I'm not sure what it is...but I find myself back to the 8/22 ROM. I find it to be much snappier and more fluid than the last two builds...:confused:

I don't use HTC Messaging; nor the HTC GPS Tool...so I guess I didn't really need those updates in the 24th ROM

I'm curious...could the disabling of the automatic memory management that was done in the 24th/25th versions slowed things down a bit??

IMO, the 22nd ROM is the fastest to-date!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] piaqt:
Have you tried personal/phone/more/automatic pickup setting?

_____________________________________________________

re: removing apps from ROM

Facebook & its tab

The Stocks tab

Managed programs - what ARE they, anyway?

TV Out - does anyone use it?

Opera 9, to be replaced with Opera 10

I'd keep PIM backup. It's local, therefore faster and more readily accessible, and it's WAY more configurable than MS Myphone.

Love the ROM and the UI. These days, my heroes are nrgz28, Co0kie, Dinik and the developer of SD Auto. Take a bow, guys.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] wmg316:
For AT&T, you can delay the ring up to 30 seconds before it goes to voicemail:

Start, Settings, Personal, Phone, Services...Call Forwarding...Get Settings...check No Answer and select to forward after 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, or 30 seconds​
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bchau:
Software that I don't use:

1. Barnes and Nobles eReader

2. PIM Backup

3. Wifi Router

4. HTC GPSTool

5. SWYPE Keyboard

I do however prefer Opera 10 over Opera 9.7

Anyway a leaner and faster and stable ROM is a good thing. But I don't want overclocking my phone though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dudeluv:
Can someone post the "Standard Energy"RHODIUM.23678.Sense2.5.Aug.22.7z Rom? I can't find it anywhere.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ah23:
I'm using the standard slider, the Android style unlocks itself a lot, By autolock is that the "turn it over and it locks" or the "turn it off and it locks" one?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chetbkool:
http://f1ip.net/plug.php?e=index&f=./Downloads/RhodiumFiles/Roms/EnergyRom
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dudeluv:
Thanks a Million. I know I saw that somewhere before, Just couldn't remember. Bookmarked now:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] GameDr04:
For the Lite ROM, I wouldn't miss:

Palringo

MP3 Trimmer

TCPMP

WiFi Router (it never really works for me)

WiFi Monster (it stinks on toast, in my opinion)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
That's an interesting observation. To check that it wasn't my imagination about the (23xxx Standard ROM) Aug 24 seeming smoother on my device than Aug 25, I flashed back to Aug 24. Although the People Tab still lags very slightly when switching away to another tab, it wasn't as noticeable as it had been on the Aug 25 ROM.

Increasing Glyph Cache didn't seem to improve the People tab latency on the Aug 25 build either, sadly.

Based on your report, I might load up Aug 22 - if I can fish it out of the Recycle Bin(!) - later and see if I can tell the difference. :)

Just a disclaimer: As always my impressions are my own and are purely subjective. YMMV ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mysterd:
Exactly...

Something like 3 or 4 next appointments if they exist...

What lockscreen are you using ?

For the time being i have turned to S2U2 which seems nice and clean on the rhodium...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
I think that NRG has only made them for the HD2 so far, there are links for them in his HD2 thread, but none in this Rhodium thread.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aZzz.bZzz:
just tried 23678 sense2.1

this build is really faster than 23569 i used before

with sense 2.1 i have around 50-55mb of free ram after day of internet usage, thats pretty good
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ed_bracam:
Don't remove anything from Energy Roms

Except blue colors of cookies version (that's why I use reference version), I like everything of the emergy ROMs
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pdz410:
I wouldn't miss the following apps from a lite version:

* Remote Desktop

* MSN Messenger

* Barnes Noble eReader

* Messenger

* MP3 Trimmer

* TCPMP

* Lock Device (I've been using S2U2)

* Microsoft MyPhone

* Backup FavPeople

* Registry Editor

* Wifi Monster

* SWYPE

I do also prefer Opera 10 over Opera 9.7
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ramsfan_Jim:
For 2.1 ROMs, I could live without:-

Backup Fav People,

Bing,

Carrier Provisioning,

Chartcross GPS Test,

Data Controller,

Facebook,

Internet Sharing,

Net Hack,

Palringo,

RSS Hub,

Shake and Save,

Sharepoint Workspace,

Streaming Media,

TCPMP,

WiFi Monster,

WiFi Router,

Windows Live,

Windows Media,

Worldcard Mobile.

I am not certain whether all of these came with the ROM - so if not, please ignore.

I am also not certain whether any of these are used as part of other applications - but I don't use them as standalone apps.

Finally, I would recommend that ANYTHING removed is made available as a cab download so those that need them can reinstall.

Personally I do use MP3 Trimmer & TV-OUT - but maybe that's just me...

Cheers,

Jim
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sukru:
There are so many options people use, we'd need many flavors.

For example for Internet Access Device (made up name) I cannot go without:

* Bing

* Internet Sharing

* Wifi Router

* Facebook, Twitter

* Pretty much anything under "Internet"

However I see some people do not wanting them.

My lite version would be with something less tools (GPS??), less media, slightly less office, and no games.

Thus I do not thing we can come up with a consensus.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] palah:
never use...

1. advance config

2. backup fav people

3. bing

4. bsb tweaks

5. cam corder

4 chartcross gps

5. htc gpstool

6. mp3 trimmer

7. palringo

8. pocket news

9. remote desktop

10. sharepoint workspace

11. tcpmp

12. wifi monster

13. worldcard mobile

hey can live with them but if they free up memory so do not get 'cannot open' e.g opera & when look every time memory is over 90% so no daily reset