yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
someone has shared the Version of 2.5 The team is working on... It is however WVGA. No one stopping you from setting your own timetable for release of a VGA port of it! THAT is the way you get the right to determine timetables and updates of projects. Not simply by registering for an account here....

No it's quite accurate. If the guys making the REAL version haven't got a working version why are you expecting someone else who is attempting to work around those problem WITHOUT BLUEPRINTS and DESIGN NOTES to have it released before then?

Would it make the project be released any quicker?

I'm not telling you to not try something new and different. All I'm saying is don't dictate to OTHERS how they should provide you something new and different! You want it you have the right to do it yourself in the manner you want it done! Why not just make up your own updates? They are likely to be as accurate as anything the developers will release. Oh and maybe you should try looking at the progress report which gets updated as they fix and finish different tasks instead of asking for a personal update.

by the way the site is called XDA-Developers not XDA-Users. It is meant to be a community of developers and users are merely guests who should stay out of their way whenever possible!

There is your answer...Try one of the roms if you don't care if it isn't working 100% Why clog up the thread with 50 "Are we there yets?" like a 7 year old on a long drive to grandpas

Well then I suggest you look in the Manila Kitchen thread, that IS released and you can learn how to port these different versions of Manila and release them in the manner you see fit.

Sorry guys but I like many others subscribe to this thread and I am tired of getting email updates that tell me nothing other than someone else posted are we there yet!

My posts aren't helping that in any way shape or form but I figure if you have the right to annoy developers who are very busy, too busy to answer dumb questions then I have the right to annoy you back!

So anyone who wants to run this I suggest you download and install the rom...Wanna customize it then download, dump and steal packages from the dump for use in your own kitchen.

THEN you might learn just how much work it takes to PACKAGE something as complex as Manila and all it's dependencies and you will understand why developers do not release half done work. this is slowly turning into the XbMod thread where by the time any updates were made no one could find the solutions in a search of over 3000 posts!

Most of which were nothing more than Any News?

I almost wish they charged a dollar a post here!

Then we would not have these discussions ever!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
Ok guys!!!

Look:

We have 99% of Manila 2.5.1918 Done! But we have still some problems with the supporting packages.

Final Manila 2.5.20/21/x will be released soon, and we will have to do everything again, because our ported files don't even work with the 1919 build

I have updated the first post and am now updating the spreadsheet.

@ ALL PEOPLE WHO HAVE PROBLEMS WITH OUR RELEASE POLICY:

We never posted an definitive ETA, so don't ask, because we don't know

Manila 2.5 VGA Roms ar OUR Roms to TEST OUT WORK

WHEN we are done, there will be a release for ALL COOKS

It is OUR TIME we invest and we HAVE A REAL LIFE (compared to some other people here around)

If YOU WANT TO HAVE MANILA 2.5, help us by TESTING OUR ROMS
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jadoe05:
And again you ignore the strong points, big surprise. A release of an abandoned version would be a good idea. It would appease everyone that matters, the people that have sense. You seem to either overlook or not understand this but the people who are actually asking for the packages KNOW THEY AREN'T 100%. THEY KNOW BUGS EXIST. If those working on the port don't want to release an abandoned version that is fine, but for you to keep talking about how it wouldn't be complete and there would be bugs when the people asking for packages already expressed that they know this makes you look unintelligent.

No one is asking for the right to determine time tables or updates. Apparently you don't know the difference between a request and a demand. I haven't seen anyone throw out a demand but, if they did, they have no right and are impatient, ungrateful and all those other things. Anyone that registers for an account here does have the right post anything topic related in any thread they wish as long as they have literal privileges to that thread.

No it isn't accurate. First the fact that the people making the real version of 2.5 DO HAVE A WORKING VERSION. Second, i will repeat, the people that have common sense KNOW THAT THE PORT ISN'T 100%. But third, the initial expectation of it being done before those phones come out is the first post of this thread saying the port was 99% done.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
How can I be avoiding something that does not exist? Strong points? Is your strong point that YOU MATTER and what you want is MOST IMPORTANT? Thats not a strong point my friend it is a delusion! Seek professional help on that! Sorry the folks here are good but reprogramming human brains is not their forte!

For those who want packages that aren't 100% download the roms!

You demand updates? YOU HAVE RIGHTS! Ok then I have the right to tell you to shut up! It is topic related since you made the topic about timetables and pushing developers to do things in a manner YOU see fit...Tell me what makes you so important that you have the right to complain about what someone else does for free! You want to have a say put up some money!

Well if you think there is a working version why not run that one?

Yes you can interact with the developers...WHEN THEY WANT TO interact with you! This may be news to you but your not as important to the developers as you seem to think otherwise they would update as much as YOU deemed worthy!

There are two CDMA Roms out there! Go pester them if you can't find them.

An easier workaround is to just wait until the developer has something he wants to say and if he says nothing move onto something more productive until he has something you ACTUALLY need to know! The DEVELOPER will interact with you when he decides he has time and desire to do so!

Spoken like a true USER who has no concept what it takes to code! I know you have all day and nothing better to do but ask busy people for status reports...Maybe you should try doing what they are so you can see just how much time those updates took away from a 99% port!

And did you learn anything you didn't know 4 hours ago? If so tell us all what!

Did you get to try out the latest version?

did you get a new CDMA rom to play with?

Or did you just get a piece of candy to shut you up until the next time you throw a tantrum?

Grow up dude! You are not the center or the most important thing in this universe!

And be sure to PM with any strong thoughts you think you have...

I'll be happy to squash your self importance issues via PM!

Just to keep this thread adultlike and clean from bull!

From now on I suggest you read the progress report daily if you need to know where things are and not bother to try and make strong points about how important you think you and and what rights you think you are entitled to...

Because despite what you think no one really cares about what YOU want!

If you can't even handle the bbcode quote system I doubt your really ready to handle a buggy beta pre-release of Manila.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Captain_Throwback:
@Kisja

Thanks for the update.

to everyone else who feels the need to argue:

I want this as much as the next person, but there's no reason to squabble anymore about it. I will close the thread if it continues, until the team is ready to release the completed packages, etc. Be respectful to each other, and if you really have something to say to someone else unrelated to this port, that's what PMs are for. No reason to clutter the thread with posts that don't add any value.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dwizzy130:
I say close it now anyway until the team contacts you with have updates or packages. I am sick of reading this childish bickering.

dwizzy130
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
Yes people! Please argue using pn and not here!

This thread was meant for descussions of Manila features, which are mostly rom independent. And everyone is free to test our TEST-Roms and to descuss Manila features and port status here.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Thannatos:
anyway back to our subject at hand, is the music tab in 2.5 any faster than 2.1? I tried multimm's rom but the music tab was not working.

p.s. People please stop asking for release dates, its like having to listen to the annoying 5 year old in the back seat saying "Are we there yet" every 2 minutes.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] belsj:
I don't believe in closing this thread.

There are a lot of users/members who wants to try this ROM, and because it is 2.5 there are a lot of questions. And i'm please that i can help them, till there is a complete version.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] belsj:
Musictab can be use. You need to use the hardware buttons. :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theclerk74:
Thanks for the update on the first page. Too bad about the bugs in 1919, but this is life in our world of pursuing bleeding edge. :D

What device is supposed to ship with 2.5? I thought it was the Leo, but doesn't that one have 2.6? Also, does anyone know if 2.5 will ship with full landscape support? The reason I'm having doubts is the version of Manila that shipped with the Touch HD was landscape only.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
1. I have ported new Music Tab 1918 with LS some days ago :) You can test it in my ROm right now. Think the others will provide updates soon.

2. I don't thinks that the final Manila 2.5 will have Fullscreen implemented. I have seen nothing about it in the 2.5 luas and the release will come soon. And I have no idea bout 2.6, have only seen some screens.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dwizzy130:
This is from a convo I had with Conflipper:

dwizzy130
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
Thats what I heared too. I think 2.5 and 2.6 are same but linked against different libs and/or compiled for different architectures. But the most functionality is in the luas, so we will be able to port thins from one to another, if there will be some differences in the final versions.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] emresumengen:
Not actually... Bashing into ppl is not good, in any way. And, what's wrong with asking a "re-upload"? Noone is asking a release (as it's clear that it's not gonna happen before it's ready), but when you publish a link, it's absolutely normal for people to try to download it. It's also normal to ask if it can be re-uploaded. Can't see anything wrong with that, do you?

And, respect thoughts, people commenting here are doing this for FREE, too. Stop bashing around, helps noone.

Locking the thread would accomplish what, can anyone tell me?

I can think, that it will only make things worse, as people will start new threads, asking "Can someone upload that please", "Do anyone know if there is any change" etc... That surely don't help.

And, I can't stand the approach "I'm patient, I'm obedient, so I can hit people in the ribs"! Talking, without helping just makes you part of the problem (just as I'm getting to be).
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
As I can see, the 1918 build is nearly full ported....

So... at the base of this, can u give us an ETA?

We're so excited about having it :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gloom:
Didn't you read Kisja's post ?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
I didn't read the "so don't ask" part.

Sorry :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dangerousp:
I also like the new icons in the test rom! Really flashy!

Music tab is all fine now, except for the play and pause function in landscape is not working, portrait is working though! Does anyone else have this problem?

The new SMS function is working good now! Everything I daily use is working superb! Rom usage is in the Kisja 6.1 beta 2 a bit higher then in beta 1. But rom optimizing is something for a later stage!

Keep up the good work! If Dutch translation is needed I might can help..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theclerk74:
Thank you for the explanation. That really clarifies it for me. Wouldn't it be great if they could implement something like that for different screen resolutions? Wishful thinking maybe...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gammarho55:
i think what you guys are doing is great, and i'd love to get my hands on this as would everyone else... but is there any way to get these files to the chefs who might actually keep up-to-date with the releases... possible someone like NRG? i'm on sprint, but the CDMA touch pro rom never gets updated. thanks again for your time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silentP:
@gammarho55...Seriously? You have to ask them to release files after the discussion that's went on in this thread? If a chef really wanted 2.5, all they would have to do is dump the ROM. As far as I know, none have done it. Probably due to respect for a work-in-progress. Please be patient guys.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Broman400:
Are you guys conductiong a private beta test? For like updated Manilla 2.5?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silentP:
I don't think it's a private beta, but it reflects in their ROMs. Have you tried one yet? They're pretty good. Not the way I'd like mine, but 2.5 is very promising.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
I also doubt they would release even if they had a package because who would want to deal with the 1000 posts of "this doesn't work any solution" from his users.

Good things to those who wait I always say!

I'm actually very happy to see them take their time and do the job right!

It will make the release and install go that much smoother for us all!

Question I want to know is will the taichi dialer work with this or will we need to start looking for a vga port of the Leo Dialer?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Broman400:
Im using their Touch Pro 1.3 Rom, its amazing. Some bugs but not critical.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silentP:
I agree, it's good. Seems a little bloated, but the functionality of it is nice.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] supersobbie:
Good evening all. First let me say great work. I have been playing with muttim's XOR Rom and I do like manila 2.5 a TON. I tried to copy all the files out of the windows directory to start to play with them (colors mostly) and I noticed that I did not see the lua.dll or mode9.dll file... or any of the dll files from the leo packages that are in this thread.

did I miss them?

Thanks,

SoBBie
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Broman400:
Can't wait for updated Touch Pro rom.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] zelendel:
If It has a PSWRD on it then it is most likely still buggy and not complete
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stuge123:
if you got the zip of manilia 2.5 vga, post that mother here, lets see if we can crack that password. :))
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] violentz313:
+1 a simple rar password cracker should do the trick.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] themrpark:
I'm about to be a beta tester once NRG finishes his raphael rom with 2.5

i'm psyched.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] slam9:
Can I change manila icons? It was so easy on all roms, but I can't find them in windows directory. Keep up the great work
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] emresumengen:
This, I can't argue but agree :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
I've got the passworded and leaked VGA 2.5 some weeks ago...

...integrated it in my EugeniaROM Series, but only as a preview because it's SOOOOOOOO buggy and unfinished.

I can say that only the manila home screen works....

Messages tab is bugged: you can view messages but not write it, settings tab works but got missing dependencies (SettingsEnhancement.exe or something similar).

So... advice by me... Don't Try This At Home XD
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Greatness83:
any chance you will port it for i910?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vader165:
doubt it, omnia is a whole nother screen res, wqvga. totally different idea.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
WQVGA is a "little WVGA"....

The differences between WVGA and VGA are synthetically identical to the differences between WQVGA and QVGA.

The "W" stands for WIDE.

So.. there are the differencies between display resolutions:

VGA - 640x480

WVGA - 800x480

QVGA - 320x240

WQVGA - 400x240

As you can notice, the only difference is the screen height.

It's equal to compare a 4:3 screen to a 16:10 widescreen. ^^

I hope this will help you to understand the differencies and the work that is necessary for porting it to native WQVGA.

Anyway, you can do a little trick to make it working on your WQVGA device...

I don't know if it'll work, but there is a program called WVGA Fix v3 that will change your display's resolution.

HERE's the link. ^^
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Diego009:
When this project is completed? we waiting :)

and is posible installing in to clear rom 6.5.1
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silentP:
See the bottom of the first post...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stuge123:
come on man, dont be teasin like that. i love NRG's roms, if he is about to drop a 2.5 on us, u gotta let me in on it. ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fid91:
I can't set my location becouse I have problems with geting fix in gps. Is there any other way to set My Location?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] msl7052:
is this even going to be released in 09?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] silentP:
I really wish I could tell you, but I can't. I've tried a few times to port manilla files and it's a very daunting task. It takes much more knowledge than I have, and it's not as easy as one may think. I've tried the releases they've put out and I'm impressed at the amount of work they've done so far. If you haven't done so and are able, try one of their ROMs. I to am anxious for the release so I can import it into my kitchen, but what I don't want is some half-assed job that can end up turning me off to 2.5. I, personally, am greatful they are taking the extra time to ensure it's ready. It'll save a lot of problems and down the road and posts asking "why isn't this working, or why is that doing this?" Just show these guys some patience, it'll pay off down the road whenever it's released. Also one other thing to keep in mind is the fact that this isn't a full-time job for them. Like most others on here, they have to work "regular" jobs and come home to do this in their spare time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
Porting the Manila files to VGA is only part of the job...

The hard part is going to be figuring out what dependencies are required to make the features work! and finding working copies of them!

I believe one of the team members stated that the dependencies were a big cause of the bugginess not the actual porting of the manila files to VGA.

Which is why (I believe) they are waiting for a more stable release in hopes those issues are fixed.

Remember when XB was porting 2.0? Part of the problem with that was the requirement of a rhodium type dialer to make the people tab work and dial. It wasn't until Mike Koop cracked the tachi dialer that most of the bugs in 2.0 went away. It also made the GenY port possible!

Manila is not just a today plug anymore...It's almost a complete operating system unto itself. HTCFramework? DRM dlls? It has gotten very complex to port and we should all be amazed that there will eventually BE a release!

It really is a monumental task especially when half of what your porting doesn't work from the get go!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] deeznuts:
Totally agree! Its not like there just needs to be re-sizing of files to fit vga! Lots of work comes into play and unless people can contribute to the team, dont ask when.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Il_Simo:
it's possible to add link to call history like this one

I'm asking because I have seen this one but I think it isn't for VGA devices
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sprinttouch666:
thank you very much for this info! i have been keeping up w/ the manila ports since they first started and it's amazing to know how much work actually goes in. :eek:

GREAT JOB GUYS AND KEEP UP THE FANTASTIC WORK!!!!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] COWHEAD:
Wow! this looks great, thanks for all your hard work.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] stuge123:
k, so i guess i get to b "the guy" ... will this "PROJECT" ever become a reality? im very much anticipating manila 2.5 on our vga devices and am just wondering how the progress is coming. First post hasn't had a Real update since oct. 1st. (the update for oct. 7th was just to say they quit working on 1919. Im not asking a for a hard date of release, but an actual update... some real info on progress made or what hurdles they r running into would b nice. we all have lives besides our phones, chefs included, but 14 days with no progress... seems like it may never happen. Dont shoot the messenger. Thank you for you time.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
Have you seen a stable LEO Release with stable Manila, which we are WAITING for? Sorry, but this question has been answered several times. There is only minor progress (I have ported Music tab in 1918) but we do nothin else now. because the current builds have too many bugs.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] cnzqy1:
Does M2.5 also has the SMS ordering issue while working on VGA devices?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ivncmdr:
Hi Kisja,

I was silently reading this 3d and all the other 3Ds regarding the port and the sun.y rom development: really appreciate your work and the effort you and the entire team put in this project.

I've seen that many rom chefs at the topaz rom dev forum moved between yesterday and today to a new build of manila 2.5 : 2_5_19201130_0

you can maybe ask duttythroy (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=558691) or someone "who can" :) (e.g. conflipper or other guys, i don't know exactly who) share the package.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] boa19861105:
manila 2.5.1918 OEM&CAB ???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fb401:
Once new builds are publicly available, they're usually pretty easy to find just by going through different boards. I'm sure the SUN-CM team already has 2.5.1920 so once again, we're back to waiting.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ivncmdr:
If you read down that 3d you'll find that the linked pkg is incorrect. ;) That's why i told to ask someone that has the full pkg to share.