yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
I'm using this ROM in a 64 Mb X51v, and installing the quickmenu all of the concerns regarding to the grapohical user interface are gone; so nothing is deformed on the interface and all the items/icons came back to the normal size for a 3.7" screen device like our Axs. If you are using a 128 Mb RAM upgraded device you can also install the quickmenu and take advantage of the good memory and application response of this build; to me this build it's a bugs free release. Well, those are my thoughts, personally I had not find any better rom than this testing all others from Football, Lenny, Dynamite and the other from Makuu; but of course it's up to you.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] -=[Primitivo]=-:
Cant wait for the ITALIAN!

Great work yet again.

tnx
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] aneto:
Download link reapired. Thanks to donky353.

WORKING DOWNLOAD LINK CLICK HERE

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[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jclampy:
Umm, no sorry!

Not entirely correct. :eek: File Explorer still shows bugger all information on screen and the number of files listed on screen at one time is halved. Program option menus are still huge and you now have to scroll these menus to find what you want. Costing you extra 2-3 seconds which add up over time and in the end will drive seasoned IT users like myself mad that want things done instantly. Installing QuickMenu does not fix any of this, all you will change is disabling MS Honeycomb and Titanium at best, not a full interface fix!!! :(
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Dark hanzo:
I agree that's why I've returned to L14 in which I get my ram at 28 mb with quick Memu and enabling the spb mobile shell reaches 15 mb, this rom makuu hurt is fantastic but I ingest me much ram my point of view I think and I'm pretty sure he will do better to the axim with 128mb ram I think I will do the update because I really like this rom but because of consumption of ram I have returned to L14
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] raynda:
I think Makuu has said this before, if not him, then someone has, but if you think about it, it's kind of pointless to run 6.5.1 if you don't have the RAM upgrade. In order to get the RAM up to where you can function, you end up disabling most of the things that separate 6.5 from 6.1, so why not just use 6.1 if you only have 64MB RAM?

The only argument I can think of would be that some people might like Titanium. If that's the case, then 6.5 or 6.5.1 is fine since Titanium actually doesn't take huge amounts of RAM, not as much as the honeycomb start menu anyway.

And actually, the other argument would that 6.5 or 6.5.1 manages memory better. But that actually doesn't apply to x51v because we haven't had a new nk.exe since WM5. Our memory slots are still limited to 0 and 1. We've never gained the benefit of 60 and 61 or the additional slots opened up in 6.5 which are managed by nk.exe.

So I guess it's up to the user, but I don't think that 6.5 offers anything groundbreaking other than possible driver updates included by the chefs or new aesthetic goodies. I could be wrong, but I'm really starting to think that 6.1 is best if you have 64MB RAM, or at least better than chipping away at all the features and disabling drivers just to limp around to get the free RAM. Use 6.1 and you don't have disable a laundry list of drivers and features just to have enough free RAM to function.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jclampy:
I agree with everything Raynda has said above. If you carefully read what he has said, especially the part about nk.exe, for example, you will see where we stand with our X51v. The only reason going from 6.1 to 6.5x at the moment for the X51v seems to be the interface. Apart from interface plugins there is no other software I know of that requires solely 6.5x at the moment. So if there is no performance increase for the X51v and if you don't like the interface (I mean, I have seen better interfaces installed on top of 6.1), then what reason have you got to be so die hard over 6.5x??? :confused:

Maybe in the future software might require 6.5x or future 6.5x / 7.x ROMs may have improvements. But for now lets not pull the wool over ours or others eyes. Fact is, 6.1 is the best OS for X51v at the moment, period!!! :cool:
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mirskym:
I saw the writing on the wall that from now on newer ROMs will need more RAM so I went ahead and sent my Axim for a little trip to Hong Kong awhile ago. Everything now works great - this ROM as well as getting Text to Speech working on iGO8 GPS software which was an issue even back in WM5.0 days.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
So do you mean that the nk.exe in WM6.1 and WM6.5 or WM6.5.1 is basically the same?. There must be a difference because using as reference some benchmarks that you or somebody else had listed before show a better response on these Makuu ROMs.

To me sound strange that the new announced memory managment of WM6.5 from MS are not be active or in use on these WM6.5 ROMS; so that's mean that is not OS depending? it's a matter of a driver implemented by the manufacturers?. May be Makuu yourself can help to understand better the truth of this.

Well the benchmarks anyway can be only just a number, but the most important it's that you really can estimate how good is the response of the device in your daily tasks!.

it's the same with the graphical part of the roms, or how much scrolling or tapping you have to do with one rom or another because in all of the aspects you use your axims to run applications, entertainment or productive apps, and the initial graphical interface is just behind, in other hand basically in the background and what you have it's the application itself in front of you.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jclampy:
mtal1,

I cannot agree with your statements. You seem to base alot of your theory on what others have previously said or stated instead of actually doing arduous testing yourself. I have done alot of ROM testing and I have been keeping my results in a spreadsheet. I have posted parts of some of my results in various posts on various forums and maybe you were refering to some of my results in your above posts.

I have not extensively tested Makuu's 6.5.1 ROM as I found I had the lowest RAM free of all 6.5 ROMs and I felt that the OS had "slow acceleration" to do a task. IE; I would go to install a .cab file and wait quite a while before it would ask where to install to. I don't think I will test this ROM any further as I cannot bring myself to have to mutilate the install to get desired RAM free. The only time I want to spend is with UC and basic personalisation of OS. I expect all hardware features to work and still have desired RAM free.

You said something about Makuu 6.5.1 ROM being posted as having high benchmark results...

Ok then, there is only way to settle this. This is what I will do. I will compare Makuu 6.5.1 ROM with his last 6.1 A09gold ROM which I already have results for.

Be back soon...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] jclampy:
Ok, I have just completed benchmarking Makuu's 6.5.1 ROM without customising it at all. This is straight after flashing the ROM. With CPU set to 'Auto' results were within 10% of the same results when CPU was set to 'Max'. This can either be taken that when on 'auto', performance should be quite high when compared to theoretical maximum performance. Or it may mean that battery could be used more quickly. This 10% difference with 'Auto' maybe to do with 6.5x Roms as I also noticed this with LennySh 6.5 ROM. As opposed to results of 'Auto' on all other 5.x or 6.1x ROMs being usually 20% to 30% lower than when CPU is set to 'Max".

Comparing 6.5.1 to Makuu's 6.1 was similar to a tug-of-war. With CPU set to 'Max' they were very close throughout apart from a few differences. 6.1 had higher 'Interger', 'RAM access', 'Draw bitmaps', 'Device Memory: File Listing' performance. 6.5.1 had higher 'Main Storage Read and Write speeds' and 'SD Card: File Listing' performance. There was no significant difference between 'Floating Point', 'SD & CF Read and Write speeds', or 'CF Card: File Listing' performance.

One thing I will note about 6.5x ROMs is that they do have worse loading time results. For this benchmarking comparison we are talking 10% and yes I do notice the 'start' menu and honeycomb screen is slow to initialise when I click icons, so it is significant.

I will state that the difference you have seen in performance between ROMs maybe attributed to page pool size. If you notice the chefs seem to have their own preference as to page pool size. Makuu 4.5, LennySh 5, Football 5, Dynamite 8 or 6. It does make a difference.

In regards to Dynamites recently listed on xda 6.1 ROMs I am currently testing different page pools to increase performance. Although I have not finished my tests I have got loading time results 30% faster than results from this Makuu 6.5.1 ROM.

So, at the moment a customised Dynamite 6.1 ROM is the fastest 'feeling' ROM for X51v.

Makuu's 6.1 has the highest video playback scores I have seen of any ROM.

Makuu's 6.5.1 has the second highest video playback scores.

Makuu's 6.5.1 ROM is definately the best 6.5x ROM at the moment.

When I have time (about a week from now) I will try and customise Makuu's 6.5.1 ROM to bring performance up and post my results.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
Ok jclampy these figures looks consistent with that I had seen.

And yes for sure Makuu 6.5.1. build 23060 has the lowest free RAM after the first start up with the CF & SD cards on it, only 14 Mb, but just implementing the tweaks for the graphical UI we can gain 16+ Mb to reach 30+Mb for the apps (the classic blue theme of Wm 6.5 must be disabled as well because eat 2+ mb of the RAM; I'm using as replacement the lite blue shell). The drivers not need to be modifed, those modifications represents only1.5 Mb of extra RAM, being the BT & IR 1 Mb of this; so just don't touch the drivers is not worth to gain RAM. Ah but the VOIP must be disabled through the fake cprog because those services represents almost 5 Mb of the RAM and this is basically why this VOIP Makuu Rom has less free RAM at the first startup compared the the WM 6.5 Classic Roms. The other part is Windows Mobile Live cab, if it is installed will take away 2 Mb more of you free RAM; so simply just don't install it if it's not need or be conscient taht this cab as soon be installed will take 2 Mb of uor RAM.

To help with some video playback & stream TV apps I run Pocket Hack Master to overclock the CPU to 702 Mhz which had seen to be the highest stable clock speed for all of the apps that I run.

In this way my X51v - 64 Mb is performing great with Makuu WM 6.5.1 rom with the original page pool.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
Free RAM

I had tested the ROMs but not in the way you had been done jclampy, because my interest had been to have a 64 Mb device with the latest OS possible that this device can manage in stable way and hopefully up to date OS wise to keep the maximum compatibiltiy the new upcoming apps.

So to maximize the RAM without affect functionality and can say "not mutilate" (the word you had used above) the system I had to say that some of the recommendations suggested before, specially the registry modificactions are not true in order to gain RAM - I think those modifications were suggested without real scoring how RAM was free up after it had been done -; and it's similar what happen disabling the drivers which in some cases produce strange behaviour of the system and basically do not free up the expected amount of RAM of we are looking for to run apps in a proper way in WM 6.5.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
I can tell you that the next generation of WM6.5 rom was tested on FRA builds and show a significative improvement of performance (but at cost of memory), that is why it would probably work fine only on a 128 Mo Ram device. I will soon start porting this project to the WWE rom.

For those that only have a 64 Mo Ram device, just check the WM6.1 thread . I'll upload a new rom there with the last WM6.1 build (dated september 2009). It has finger scrolling feature like in WM6.5, plus a full WM6.1 rom feature in UC with a dking special. ;)

raynda has tested the rom in its early stage and seemed happy with it, I hope that all other 64 Mo x51v users will like it as well.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
Again my respect to you Makuu for your dedication and services for this community.

I would like still to dream that I will can just with those simple modifications, keeping as simple as possible to run the latest release from you on WM 6.5.1 when ocurrs.

I had been thinking if for me is worthier to use the US$200 that it's the approx cost of the RAM update (including shipping & customs fees) from 64 Mb to 128 Mb or purchase a second hand x51v -64 mb (which have the same cost of that insufficient upgrade in my concept - we can not reach 256 Mb on RAM on X51v, which is another deficiency in this system- for the upcoming release) and can run in one the best WM6.1 version (the last of your VOIP version) and in the other run thwe WM6.5.1 graphically tweaking. I had to decide and resolve the dilema!. The second option let me to keep me as an active end user tester of these roms easily (of course is much better to have 2*X51v with 128 Mb, not discussion at all on this).

BTW, when will be public that updated VOIP WM6.1 version?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
I think the upgrade would cost less than 200$ if you do it in Hong Kong, from France it cost us around 60-70 €. Same for a second x51v a reasonable price would be 80€.

I think between an upgrade an a second x51v, I would choose a second x51v (better have a spare in case the main one has problem, I have 4 ;) ). However depending on your usage even 64 Mo would not be enought to run some apps on a WM6.1 rom. With 128 Mo you can increase the pagepool and get a faster machine.

BTW, the WM6.1 rom are available.

I am convinced that you can still tweak a WM6.5 rom to run it on a 64 Mo x51v, but it takes time. I appreciate that user like you are doing it and share their experience with the community. I would do the same (actually I published a thread about it few years ago), if I had the time. But cooking the rom takes too much time for me so I don't have left. I am focussing on FRA, WWE, ESN rom but I don't have time for GER and ITA.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
It's my pleasure Makuu.

Thanks for the advice, I will go for the second X51v. Congrats for your 4 * X51v, this is still an excellent PDA, may be the best. It's a matter of money, in the future may be I will have the 2 * x51v running w/128Mb RAM with both OS 6.1 and 6.5, because I love this Ax.

I will be waiting for the upcoming releases in WM6.5 to test it.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
I see it now on the first page (WM6.1 VOIP Pro (21055) & WM6.1 Classic (21055); great!!!. I need now to speed up the purchase of the second Ax (for me in my country both are much expensive than you say twice of that). Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
Upcoming Releases of WM6.5 in two versions, is this possible?

Makuu, if for the upcoming releases of WM6.5 (or WM6.5.1) you can replicate the same strategy that you had applied now for the latest WM6.1 roms made public yesterday, in two flavors Classic and Professional-VOIP versions it will be much more than great; as clean as possible to keep the functionality, and with the extras to be installed as add-on through a cab's files anr/or through sdconfig via . I think you had found the best way to satisfy the petitions and wishes of all of your pupils/testers/partners in this forum and from other forums as well.

You are in the highest point of the Rom's developers than anybody else for our X51v. Thanks.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
I did the Classic WM6.1 rom because it's a final rom. Also it's possible to cook a classic rom under 6.1 but it's not for 6.5. I believe that Lennysh and Dynamite have tweaked the rom adding some of the phone dlls otherwise It won't work. Plus the next rom will probably come in two versions ( E01 & A11 ), if I cook WWE ESN & FRA, that's 6 roms already. So if I cook classic rom it means 12 roms, I simply don't have time for that.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
Thanks Makuu

Ok understood. Anything new coming from you in this mattter of WM6.5.1. rom is a gift from heaven; 23060 build is good enough to be the best so far. I had just considered the possibility of tha classic version from you simply because I consider your work and products by far the best for x51v (in any presentation) compared to the roms that yourself mentioned above.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
Also the next rom will probably be 23081 (com3), I would like to try com5 and maybe com2. If one day I have time to build a classic rom, I guess it will probably be com2.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
Last Update: E01 & A11 5A2D releases (special thanks to Shadrac)

E01: WM6.5.x VOIP Pro (23085) WWE 4 Mo Extendir

A11: WM6.5.x VOIP Pro (23085) WWE Extended

features:

--both IE6 Mobile and PIE are available.

--dking 2700G driver

--patched Wireless Manager

--a 450 Ko dking DKLogo slot, that you can use to customize the x51v Boot Logo with dking Dell Logo Utility. The slot is preloaded with default WM6.1 welcome screen, you can put a compressed image up to 450 Ko (to compare with the Dell original logo that weight 120 Ko compressed).

--Those Pro rom have native VOIP plus all WM6.5 extra that can be installed using Shadrac PresetInstaller (so you can actually have a full WM6.5 rom in your axim)

To know more about the incredible Extendir feature read this thread.

The A11 Extended rom is based on the concept used to build the E01 extendir rom but without the extendir feature. I've build it only for those that have 64 Mo ram x51v and also to be compare with the E01 ( performances ).

At first boot both rom will installed the mandatory package via UC (be patient during this phase that is especially long for the A11 rom), at second boot PresetInstaller will be automatically launched so you can install extra package using preselection or chosen by yourself.

It means that if you want to hard reset your device you need to have you SD card to installed the mandatory packages. ( or your system won't be stable).

Extendir roms have been tested with older French builds, those roms perform better but might conflict with other softwares (and then become unstable).

Tip for downloading from rapidshare: use jdownloader.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
Here are some bench results made on a 128 Mo ram x51v. The bench are performed after a soft reset using spb benchmark, memory card removed, CPU locked @ 624 Mhz
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tabatt13:
Thank you for the great work. I will flash tonight.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tabatt13:
Wokes great, but having issues with wireless. Do you have the old drivers to patch?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lamjeff:
:)

Hi Makuu,

Thanks for your clearly explanation and I really happy can keep the X51v keep alive till now ... but I want to know that if i install " E01: WM6.5.x VOIP Pro (23085) WWE 4 Mo Extendir" in a 64mb machine ... then what will happen ? coz I install the A10 before ... the speed cannot be accept when browse internet and sometimes hangup (User Opera or skyfire) ... may be due to 64mb ram ... I really love WM6.5x rom but if the speed if too slow .. then i think i better move back to WM6.1 then :(

Anyway ... thanks for your effort .....:)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] makuu:
If not tweaked the E01 will never run in a 64 Mo of ram device, but also if tweaked I don't know if it will run. For A10 or A11, you also need to tweak those rom if you want to use those in 64 device. IE6 moble is slow anyway even in a 128 Mo x51v. If you don't want to tweak your machine it's better to go for thr last A09 rom ( That's why I've built it).

I have used the Colorado Fix driver, for all the last roms I've built (A09, A11 & E01), I understand now that the driver is not that good for wpa. I am sorry for the inconvenience, I'll rebuild all those rom with the original driver. Hopefully I'll upload new rom sometime this week.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] lamjeff:
Thanks for your prompt reply .... Have a nice day ... :)
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] TacoLoco:
Hi, thanks for this great ROM, but can you (or any body else) can upload the

"A11: WM6.5.x VOIP Pro (23085) WWE Extended"

to another hoster, as my school network has blocked rs.com..

Greetings
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] tabatt13:
I have used the Colorado Fix driver, for all the last roms I've built (A09, A11 & E01), I understand now that the driver is not that good for wpa. I am sorry for the inconvenience, I'll rebuild all those rom with the original driver. Hopefully I'll upload new rom sometime this week.

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Thanks! This is a very good rom. Besides the wireless issue and some software issues with WM6.5.1 its almost perfect. E01 is definetly the fastest rom I've ever used on my Axim, great work!
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
A10 build 23060 great! so far

Impressive Makuu! Thanks. I will get my second X51v-64 Mb in a couple hours test the new roms; for the score produce from the spb benchmark I would like to test the E01 Extendir Rom; still I have to test as well the last WM6.1 rom build 21055

In my first X51v-64 Mb the A10-Build 23060 is performing great (perfect!), tweaked in the graphical aspects; the score on spb benchmark is very good!; the WiFi WPA-PSK is stable in this rom; I suppose you had use the conventional WiFi driver, because works great in this aspect. I will report if I find that E01 graphically tweaked will perform as good or better in a 64 Mb than A10; so far A10 is great I only miss the new contact manager application to have the full features of the newest WM 6.5 build releases. I don't know if this new contact manager app can be instaled on top of the old app. via add-on/cab file?.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mirskym:
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Agreed! E01 is a very fast and smooth ROM. Very much like the Extendir! But I'm also having the WPA issues (connects, then disconnects, tries again, keeps looping). No such problems with A10. Look forward to downloading revised E01 with old drivers.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] mtal1:
IMpressions of the new roms in a 64 mb device

I had flashed the second X51v-64 Mb with both Roms build 23985, but there is no way to function with any of those; both are too much RAM consuming. The E01 just simply can install the extendir because the device ran out of memory when try to run the "preset installer" at the end of the process. And the A11 just left 1.7 Mb free prior to install the storage cards. So I had just decided to abandon to try any tweak because after that I'm pretty sure won't have more than may be 16 Mb maximum; with that free ram is not enough to make function the device with the normal apps. So A10 - build 23060 is the proper WM6.5 rom to tweak and run with the X51v - 64 Mb from you Makuu.

I perceive that Extendir E01 rom as a fantastic one but is excesively ram consuming, I can image that the people with a 128 mb ram upgraded device will have only around 40 mb free ram after install the storage cards which looks low for a 128 mb device; may be this is compensated or will pay back with the benefits of the Extendir feature; with these types of rom I had started to miss so much the deficiency in the x51v system that can not go further than 128 Mb, looking as a perfect ram set to at least 256 Mb.

After that now I'm testing the new WM6.1 roms build 21055 A09-Final, but I had found bugs with the Internet explorer making the screen and the system to crash; but is early to say anything else and to see if these new release can outperform the previous WM6.1 A09 VOIP Pro Gold (multilenguage) which had been running with very good performance and in stable way in my Ax previously.