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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
I updated to EnergyROM about a week ago, and no satellites can be found. Google Maps seems to know where I am and so does Location, but if I put Google Maps on and drive int he car, the location does not update. I posted this in the Generla section, but it may have been the wrong place. I am hoping you can help, I have really tried to be exhaustive and read everything, I am hoping you see something I missed. GPS does not work.

1. I have run HTC GPS Test tool, and the $GPGSV info shows 16 satellites in view (I believe this comes from aGPS), but the 3 coordinate pieces of data are ,,, - meaning no data coming in. GPSTest also shows no satellites. 0 Satellites are "used".

2. $GPGSA in HTC GPS Test second argument is 1, "fix not available"

3. I am on the latest EnergyROM. I have tried 2 radios, my original one that was in the stock ROM (4.48.25.20), and 4.49.25.95. I have tried with and without aGPS. I have tried some of the tweaks of the Intermediate driver settings:

A. With Advanced config: Start/Tools/Adv Config/GPS:

disable GPS logging

logfile name must be empty

old logfile name must be empty

maximum size of logfile must be 0

(soft reset, then...) delete the files :

\windows\GPSLogFile.txt and \windows\GPSLogFileBack.txt

B. Then edit registry

Under: HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\GPS Intermediate Driver\

Drivers\GpsOneDevice\PollInterval -> 100 (default is 1000)

Drivers\InputBufferSize -> 1024 (default is 4096)

Drivers\OutputBufferSize -> 1024 (default is 4096)

Drivers\SleepOnNoData -> 100 (default is 1000)

Multiplexer\MaxBufferSize -> 512 (by default not present, you have to create it as a New Value)

4. I have 2 AT&T HTC Tilt 2 phones, both configured identically (I move SIM card between them). Both are on the same ROM and Radio, and both act exactly the same - no GPS signals. So I don't think the GPS has failed, as it's two different phones.

5. External GPS set to COM4 (which appears correct based on the HTC tool seeing NMEA info on that port), hardware is set to No Port, 4800 baud. I also have it set to let Windows manage the GPS.

6. I have tried two versions of the Energy ROM, doing a Task29 in between; Feb 12 and Feb 27. No difference.

7. I run Bing, and it never gets a location. I do see my location in Weather though. Today Google only senses location to within 3500 meters; earlier this week it was 100 meters.

8. I also did a hard reset of one of the two Tilt 2's, tested without agps, no lock on satellites. I then turned on agps, downloaded data, tried again, still no lock. I am outside on a gorgeous day with hardly a cloud in the sky too.

I am trying to be exhaustive and deliberate in finding the problem, but I have run out of ideas. Something must have changed, as I used this GPS all the time with Bing for voice navigation, and it was 100% reliable. Can anyone help with what could be the problem?

Thanks for your help!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
GPS troubleshooting questions

Thanks for all the details. That is good.

Quick question though. Did you turn on GPS in Google Maps?

When running Google Maps

Menu->Settings

Select Use GPs

Then, right Soft Menu for Close

Did you first Run Quick GPS to make sure all satelite data was downloaded?

How long did you wait before giving up?

If aGPS is for some reason not working or the QuickGPS data is for some reason incorrect, it can take up to 5 minutes to get a lock. The reason is that only 3 of the GPS satelites contain the ephemeris data that needs to get fully downloaded before the GPS can even start figuring out where you are.

My XDA_UC causes QuickGPS to automatically download.

And my XDA_UC also sets the reg entries for the Nokia SUPL GPS which speed up getting a lock.

And of course after doing this, I always restart and let everything fully start up before trying to get my first lock after a flash.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Were any of your tests performed with the bare ROM (fresh install, no XDA_UC ran, no restores, or configurations made)?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Thanks you JVH3 and mmalka for your replies, it is greatly appreciated! Here are the answers to your questions:

Quick question though. Did you turn on GPS in Google Maps? Yes - Settings shows Use GPS is checked. The GPS Settings are "Managed by Windows".

Did you first Run Quick GPS to make sure all satelite data was downloaded? Yes - I have run it frequently, and it is always current. The only time it wasn't, was when I did the Hard Reset and tested without agps - when I turned it on the data showed Expired of course. But then I immediately downloaded data to try.

How long did you wait before giving up? easily 10-15 minutes. Today, I ran with GPS Viewer running in my car, and for about 10 minutes it just reported "Searching" and "No Satellite".

Were any of your tests performed with the bare ROM (fresh install, no XDA_UC ran, no restores, or configurations made)? Yes - I did a Hard Reset of EnergyROM, no XDA-UC run, and I did nothing else. I then tested, then I turned on agps, and tested again. No luck.

Is it possible some program in ROM is affecting it? Since I posted this, I also tried Radio 4.49.25.91 (along with 4.49.25.95 and and 4.48.25.20).

Should I try flashing the original stock ROM on it? I don't know if there is a link to it, woudl that be a good idea?

I love this ROM, I wish I could get the GPS to work, it was SO RELIABLE before! Thanks for your thoughts and help, I hope someone has an idea what to try. I'll try anything at this point ;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
GPS efforts

It sounds like you have pretty enhaustively tested this out and tried more things than most would have tried.

About the only things left to try are:

1. Do a Task 29 and then flash. Test. If good, your done.

If not then

2. Flash the original stock ROM. Test. If good, then flash the ROM. Test. If good, your done.

If not then

3. Flash the latest official ROM from HTC. Test. If good, then flash the ROM. Test. If good, your done.

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I do recall a long while back that I had some issues with the GPS on my Fuze. It had been working great. Fast locks after each flash (always under 30 seconds). I had played with the HTC GPS Tool, where I had done a Clear Memory on it. Then, it took over 10 minutes to get a lock.

It was wierd because I had always thought that a Hard Reset or a flash cleared the GPS chips memory. From that point on, I was not fully convinced that a hard reset clears everything related to the GPS chips.

I have also found that exitting Google Maps with the X, instead of Menu->Exit can result in a longer time to get a lock the next time. Soft Resetting usually fixes this quick though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Thanks JVH3, I'll try your recommendations and report back. I am a little bit of a newbie on ROMs, do you know where I can find the original stock ROM and the latest official ROM from HTC? I want to make sure I use the proper ones.

Thanks again!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Which Rhodium are you using? There are a bunch of different models. Each has different software. Carrier specific ones will also normally have some type of customized ROM as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] giota56:
Italian version

Sorry if I insist but .... extremely interested to an updated Energy Italian version.

I feel I'm loosing something!!!

Many thanks in advance ... from a real Energy fan!!!

Giovanni

I have donated 15$ - confirmation n. 1PC61498PU4629849
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
ROM update in Italian?

Check this posted yesterday: NRG ROM in Italian or Spanish?.

"I feel I'm loosing something!!!" - Why? Based on what info? :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
I have the AT&T Tilt 2 version, it says ST7377.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vinceweis:
GPS

I have never had much luck with GPS "Managed by Windows". I always use manual with COM4 and either 4800 or 9600 baud. Always connects and works for me with the manual settings.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I'll upload it for you. Check this post again in about 20 minutes.

EDIT: Here you go: HTCTilt2ATTOriginalShipROM.exe

RUU_Rhodium_S2_ATT_US_2.10.502.4_Radio_Rhodium_4.49.25.95_Signed_Ship.exe
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] CRCinAU:
Reference is back!

W00t!

March 01 builds have a Reference ROM again :D

Thanks to all!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
NRG ROM Feb.27: GPS Working fine

Sorry but GPS works fine on my spare Tilt 2 ST7377 (identical to yours) with NRG ROM Feb.27 version: Energy.RHODIUM.28244.Sense2.5.Cookie.2.0.Feb.27 and ATT_Radio_Rhodium_4.49.25.95,

out-of-the-box

using > Start > GPS > GPS Viewer and the phone outside for 3-4 minutes (initial satellite lock), no SIM, no Quick GPS data ever downloaded, no AGPS, no programs installed except Winstart paid version and Whip2Snap to make this screen capture:

So I don't think that it's a ROM problem, some settings or tweaks or programs you installed or hardware or obstructed view of the satellites IMO.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Thank you for your kind help!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Thanks Joe. I may go back and re-flash the ROM with nothing. Are you saying "No SIM", that the GPS works without SIM? When I have my phone on without a SIM I just have the emergency keypad showing and I don't seem to be able to get it to a Home Page. Am I understanding you correctly when you said you can verify the GPS without SIM?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
The SIM card is just for using cellular network services. It will have no barring on the GPS. aGPS will not work without it, however, unless you use wifi.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: Standalone GPS Tilt 2/Touch Pro2 + aGPS

Exactly. The point was to test the internal GPS w/o any aid from AGPS via cellular towers or WiFi: specs > Standalone GPS / Internal GPS antenna.

Yes you can get to Home w/o SIM just by hitting the hardware End key and can run any programs via Start & shortcuts on Home. And yes you can use/test GPS w/o SIM.

Backup your data and do this:

Turned off the phone, removed SIM & memory card connected phone via Active Sync and ran task29 to clean the phone to guaranty a clean install.

After Task29 the phone was now stuck on the MainSplash screen (normal) so I pressed Volume Down + Reset switch while still connected to the PC to go in Bootloader Mode.

Flashed the phone with the Feb.27 NRG ROM version: Energy.RHODIUM.28244.Sense2.5.Cookie.2.0.Feb.27.

Disconnected from PC & restarted the phone for good measure, still w/o SIM nor memory card.

Then this: > Start > GPS > GPS Viewer and the phone outside with non-obstructed view of satellites for 3-4 minutes (initial satellite lock). If it does not work then you may have a hardware problem IMO.

If it works:

1- Turn off phone & insert SIM & memory card.

2- Turn on phone, let it do it's network setting stuff & got to: > Start > GPS > QuickGPS to download ephemeris data (current satellite position and timing information).

3- Start > Settings > System > aGPS Settings > Enable AGPS.

4- Home > Action > GPS > Google maps > Menu > Settings & select Use GPS.

After that, go here and download both Nokia & Google cabs: [Tweak] ULTIMATE!! aGPS cab (GOOGLE or NOKIA server!).

There are some testimonials in favor of one & the other in this thread, success depends on combo of hardware, radios, carrier, local towers, where you live, etc it seems. Personally I use the Google server version here in Costa Rica. You can install one, test satellite lock speed then uninstall before trying the other. Don't install one on top of the other.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ZuinigeRijder:
BattClock itself is 55 Kb on disk, 2 Kb in memory.

The BattConfig configuration program is much larger on disk. All the translations are in, but the not used ones are removed after the first start of BattConfig.

The advantage is that BattClock is very efficient and does use 0.0% CPU.

And if you do not need BattConfig anymore, you can remove it manually. There is also a zip downloadable BattClock version, so you can choose what you want (no installer).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Thanks Joe again for the detailed reply. I'll incorporate this into the test scenario JVH3 gave me (which started with verifying my own ROM), and report back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: NRG Feb.27 ROM Memory Usage & BattClock

Thanks ZuinigeRijder for jumping in our thread to talk about your BattClock. :cool:

On my Tilt 2 running the NRG Feb.27 ROM, I can see in: Start > Tool > Task Manager > Menu > View > Processes (or long press Call hardware key in NRG ROM's default for quick access to Task Manager) that it reports 512K of RAM memory usage but I guess it varies depending on how many things you monitor & if you use a background image or not.

Everything is relative & if I compare that 512K with the other apps I'm currently using like S2U2 @ 2.78 MB + it's companion iLock2 @ 344K, Winstart @ 2.18 MB, ArkSwitch @ 1.58 MB, ACR, etc. BattClock mem usage is pretty reasonable considering it gives me instant view or free memory, CPU % usage, power consumption, date, battery state stripe that shows me the charging progress contrary to the default NRG battery gauge who turns into a stupid plug w/o battery % info and WiFi strength when active. Having the date next to the clock lets me use smaller Task & Calendar widgets as I don't need their date layout version anymore.

Heck, if you let ActiveSync running in the background even if you don't need it, it eats 636K as seen in Task Manger > View > Applications which is useless & more than BattClock w/ my current config.

Storage memory is not a problem on our phones if one puts it's documents/Photos/Videos in the memory card so BattConfig should be kept IMO as it let's you config at will BattClock, start/stop logging data, export/import settings, change type color/size & background depending on your wallpaper/Taskbar, etc.

Thanks for the comment & the XDA_UC tip. :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
BattClock.

Thanks, I have updated my post to point to your post. Knowing that it uses very little CPU is good to know. I am adding this to my XDA_UC folder for my next flash.

Last night, I started thinking that most of the size probably was the config program, but I didn't even think of all the language files.

Using TaskManager from Start->Tools, it looks like this configuration uses almost 1% CPU and about 10K. CPU sometimes goes below 1%, but I have not seen it drop below 0.66 %. I have seen it spike about 2.7%. Guessing it drops lower than 0.66% when the screen is off.

I am going to continue using it, but I want to see how this constant CPU usage noticicably affects my battery life.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: NRG Feb.27 ROM Memory Usage & BattClock

On my Tilt 2 in Task Manager > BattClock > CPU usage alternates between 1% and 0 as shown in the screen capture above. I don't see any fractions nor above 1%. Did you enabled some data logs in BattConfig which writes to a .csv file or registry?

Also I have 512K mem usage, how come you have only 10K? What data are you monitoring with BattClock?

I have actually better battery life with this app as it's showing me on the Taskbar the power consumption in mA reminding me to dim the display or kill background programs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Well here is my prelim results. I did EXACTLY what Joe and JVH3 said, I first tested with the energyROM, no SIM and mSD, etc., then with the two AT&T/HTC ROMs - no results. It appears the units see satellites but get no fixes. I left both units outside for at least 20 minutes running the GPS utility, no luck.

I really find it hard to believe BOTH units have stopped working due to hardware malfunciton, I am very careful with them. I did some Google searching and did not find anything, but is there a way to brick the GPS somehow? Is there any kind of clear or reset I should try besides Task29?

thanks..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jakfish:
I've searched this out, but can't find a definitive answer about safe battery temperatures.

Most of the time, battclock records a battery temperature b/w 2.5-3.0. But if I'm using Slacker/wifi, for instance, while charging the battery through a usb connection, the battery temperature can go up to 3.9.

Is that safe? Is there a temperature level to be avoided?

Jake
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jean-flavien:
I tried the titanium version, but it isn't a real WM 6.5.3 :

1. The taskbar have the energy buttons

2. HTC Notifications

3. HTC Volume

4. HTC Menu

5. No transparency in Start Menu

6. Energy Folders.

Where can i find a real Windows Mobile 6.5.3 Titanium, without anything of HTC or anything added.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
NRG ROM Feb.27: GPS Working fine.

I too have two Tilt 2 ST7377 running NRG ROM Feb.27, one with SIM & aGPS enabled and one w/o neither (blue sticker) and both get a satellite lock. ;) The one w/o aGPS took maybe 2-3 minutes more to show my location in GPS Viewer. Done this test/photo just for you:

Did you try long enough? Do you get some orange or green bars indicating a good satellite signal? If not, was it a heavily overcast day or do you live in a Manhattan canyon? Did you do also the aGPS settings steps described above?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Flashing the stock ROM is "reset" enough as it not only installs the ROM but also the radio. Although it seems very odd to me, given the fact that the units did not work even with the stock ROM, I would guess there is some hardware problem.

However, you say that they see the satellites but get no fixes. How can you tell that they indeed see the satellites? If the signals are received but there is no lock, it could be either that the signal is too weak, or there is too much interference. GPS systems need at least 4 satellites in order to determine where you are.

Also, wherever you are - do you get a lock with any other device, like a car GPS, or with another phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
Hi Joe, thanks for the rpely. I believe you :-)

The GPS Viewer just says "Searching" in blue in the circle at top, and "No Satellite" in red, blinking, in the bar graph below. To your questions:

Did you try long enough? Today I tried at least 4 times, for a minimum of 12-15 minutes and a max of 20. Once I went a full 20. It was clear as a bell today, not a cloud in the sky, I was outside ;-)

Do you get some orange or green bars indicating a good satellite signal? As I said above, no - all I get is "No Satellite" blinking in red.

If not, was it a heavily overcast day or do you live in a Manhattan canyon? Actually we live in a somewhat elevated area, I have excellent view of the whole sky. It was sunny and clear today, no clouds.

Did you do also the aGPS settings steps described above? Yes I did. I did exactly what you mentioned in all the steps.

FYI I did also notice, when I tried running the HTC GPSTool to see what the NMEA messages were, without agps data downloaded it saw 4 satellites, but could not get a fix on them - "No fix". I find that odd.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jezi:
Have you set your GPS Software port to COM 4?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] awalt:
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Yes, thanks. Software port is 4, Hardware port is None and 4800 baud. Manage GPS Automatically is checked.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: Max Battery Temp & Battery Guide

Battery temperature has a major impact on battery life and wear & tear. I try to keep mine under 35°C - 95°F (shown as 3.5° in BattClock and in the cooked-in data limited/log not working > Start > Tools > tbattery. When running heavy tasks for a prolonged period or charging my phone w/ battery very low or near completely depleted, I flip it over, remove the stylus & back cover for better ventilation & the battery temperature drops significantly. Frequent small charging is better than waiting to get near zero for our Lithium-Ion batteries.

Check this primer guide with lots of info & temperature vs. wear: [Guide] Everything you wanted to know about Li-Ion batteries but were afraid to ask!

In BattConfig > Display Formats > Battery Temperature > Multiply with: 10 to get 30.0° (Celsius) displayed instead of 3.0° for example. BTW you can multiply or divide all the other data also.

For those of you living in the last country on earth that did not adopted the metric system yet: Fahrenheit to Celsius Converter. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] t-ryder:
No Stock Reference ROM for German Language? Are you gonna release one? I want some near stock german energy ROM, pleeeeeease... :)

Great work BTW.

Thank you, sir.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
BattClock and monitoring it swith Start->Tools->Task Manager

I actually used your settings exactly as they were.

mem usage, cpu, mA then to the right shows the date and time.

To monitor CPU and memory, I used the Task Manager located at Start->Tools->Task Manager.

I am attaching images.

Looks like when I captured the image, CPU usage went to .62 %. But, that is the lowest that I have seen it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jakfish:
@Joe Bleau:

As usual, your help is quick and informative. Since I have been playing with the Feb 27 ROM, I've been letting my battery deplete completely a couple of times (as per the FAQ to allow proper calibrating), but will now top off more than fully recharge.

In your experience, is there a temperature to be avoided, as in "this will hurt your phone"?

Jake
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
You should avoid letting your device feel warm to the touch. Room temperature is generally preferable. Lithium ions retain a stronger bond in cooler temperatures. Generally, the battery heats up the most when charging and using the GPS. If it feels hot, stop whatever you're doing for a bit, and let it cool off. Joe's method of charging also is a good way to prolong the life of the battery.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jakfish:
@cajunflavoredbob:

Thanks for your post. Anecdotally, it would seem that any kind of prolonged wifi use will make the machine warmer than room temperature (internet radio streaming, etc). Have you got an actual temperature in mind?

I'm just wondering how I could stream radio without ill effects.

Jake
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Re: Battery Temperature & GPS - NaviComputer

Or remove the back cover for longer battery life & cooler battery. Or get it out of closed space w/o ventilation like small/tight pockets.

I often use the free [APP] NaviComputer – Offline GPS Mapping Software to map dirt back-country roads or hiking & motocross trails to contribute to www.openstreetmap.org which has often better maps than Google Maps for some regions of Costa Rica as well as some interesting user created trail maps & POI's. Since the phone runs for a long period on battery & GPS is demanding as cajunflavoredbob wrote, I simply remove the back cover. Thinking about drilling some ventilation holes in that cover near the bottom to complement the speakers grid holes near the top... as well as on the sides of my phone belt leather holster.