yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Android Development] shafty023:
Unfortunately no, it still applies to us. HTC has legal rights to redistribute those closed source apps b/c they are part of the Open Handset Alliance. We on the other hand are not so we don't have the legal rights to redistribute them as we're not paying licensing fees
[G1 Android Development] shafty023:
This is a very good point but in order to do this we'd have to either:

1) flash a stock non-rooted rom, then root it, then flash CY's cooked rom

OR

2) flash a rooted stock rom, then flash CY's cooked rom. The issue here is in order to download a rooted rom someone would have to distribute this rom which would then violate the same thing as before.
[G1 Android Development] charnsingh_online:
Google apps are included in the sdk distributed by google which is legal to download and use personally, we c!n download the sdk and install gapps from it. Its legal now.

One more thing, if google apps.are closed source why would they distrubute it in open source sdk.

Use sdk legally and use cm . Combine them and you get a home cookef cm google rom
[G1 Android Development] BoxyD:
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[G1 Android Development] aberrati0n:
If the issue is with Cyanogen not having a license to distribute the google apps, then wouldn't the easiest solution be to get him a license? If there are over 30,000 people using his ROMs, how many do you think would be willing to part with $1-5 to continue to do so? Also, this seems more like Google covering their asses than actual being asses, so as long as a proper license was obtained, there shouldn't be any real issue, right?

But, if they're unwilling to grant a license for a reasonable fee, I'm not against the thought of incomplete ROMs being posted that either get flashed over your existing image or that we (at home) would patch onto a previous release (rc29 or 33). I'd still prefer if we could get Cyanogen authorized, but I don't think Google is going to go after each and every one of us if we modify our own software packages at home...
[G1 Android Development] zambezy:
From what I understand there are 3 different licensing agreements

1. android no google branding (???)

2. google brand (G1, MyTouch....)

3. google + manufacturer brand ( HERO, HTC Magic...)

He can still distribute under the first license.... And the user would have to load what he is entitled to. Its not the end of the world... exept for lazy people that dont want to take the time to add the content.

Google has no legal action against people that already have google experience or HTC google phones.

It would be a problem for people in India that have no google license from what I understand...
[G1 Android Development] vroomr4:
So are we getting rid of the initial boot screen that asks you to login to your google account? I think besides gmail (sync contacts), only the market uses that information to make purchases.
[G1 Android Development] connoisseur:
Originally posted in the "lets bash google forum" with a pretty bad reception... Since it looks like people are actually thinking up solutions here, I'll post it here too
[G1 Android Development] Mikey:
Source has to be modified not to look for those apps at start-up or else you'll never get your phone up and running
[G1 Android Development] testing567:
Would it be simpler to modify the source to run a script earlier in the boot sequence? I posted a question about firsboot.sh in the Q&A forum, but got no answer.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=564498
[G1 Android Development] Mikey:
I dont know if/when source will be done to accomplish this.

The other notion is why use googles apps, other then market and sync for starters.

There are plenty market apps to replace the system apps
[G1 Android Development] testing567:
Actually, even simpler. The last command of the script should be "reboot". I think DrizzyDrakeRogers used a double reboot on one of his roms.
[G1 Android Development] miketaylor00:
Please Contact Google to Voice Your Opinion

Yes, Google has a right to protect their intellectual property. But like all companies they are driven by profit. If they realize that this is hurting their image they will change their stance. Please contact Google on Monday Sept. 28th. We need to jam their phone lines, fill up their email boxes, and make our voice heard. Get everyone you can to help out with this.

http://www.google.com/contact/
[G1 Android Development] amiuhle:
Damn, those are 2 good points I didn't think about. But still this could work, the user would just once have to install the Google Apps once, and once they are on the phone they will just remain there.

I just don't think that all those scripting solutions will work reliably. And if you write a script, you're explicitly downloading the apps, which isn't very much better than shipping them with the ROM.
[G1 Android Development] APrinceAmongMen:
Anyone think of having xda attempt to join the Open Handset Alliance? If XDA joins the alliance, then we're set.

http://www.openhandsetalliance.com/oha_faq.html

XDA should try it. Nothing to lose from attempting to join, and honestly, I think XDA fits the bill of the OHA down to a tee. I could throw together a smexy proposal for XDA. :D

Worth a shot?
[G1 Android Development] chevycowboyusa:
Tmobile Mobile Backup

As far as sync goes, Tmo users can download Mobile Backup from the market and backup and restore address book (contacts). As far as the rest of sync, I could do without it. I use Yahoo mail most and hardly gmail. Isnt there an app for sync to outlook calendar?

I hope this gets resolved soon....

Good Luck to all!
[G1 Android Development] Bavilo:
I strongly second that. The devs on XDA has improved the source so much. It's worth a shot!
[G1 Android Development] jmon777:
is xda a company? because this applies to companies only i think even though the goals are the same for the most part i dont know if this would work.

also i like idea of making this work like theme, kind of.

my idea is this basically a dev build a rom with all Google stuff built in befor he up loads it takes it all out then have step by step instructions how to install from a user created back up. this should work right?
[G1 Android Development] newjaruz:
Google doesn't make any sense!

Well google has been on the record saying the following:

“There is no monetization strategy for Android, from the Google perspective. We are literally doing this because we believe there is an opportunity to create an open mobile ecosystem. And we believe now is the time to do it.”

-Eric Chu of the Android Team

So I don't see how or why its illegal for them to distribute apps that are

A) probably already available in the market

B) We already paid for a Google experience phone with the Google experience apps ( assuming they have a monetization strategy) which they have said they don't. SO honestly, all this does not make any sense!

I love android but if ROM cooking dies or becomes difficult to do and they remove the point of the XDA community then I'm leaving the platform altogether. (i wont be happy to do it either)
[G1 Android Development] farbird:
May I suggest that cynanogen shares his method of creating rom...

ie a step by step guide or a script to do it automatically..

the end user then chooses if he wishes to include the "fucgoogle" proprietary binaries..

This way, cynanogen is not re-distributing the packages.... hehhehe

I used to go xbox-scene a lot for modding stuff and most of the mod creators over there do it in this manner... place where u can get the proprietary binaries is known as the "usual places".... ie an irc channel with a bot that provides username/password to an ftp server
[G1 Android Development] Ryan2012:
I had a thread going until it was deleted , here is the original post for a great solution edited to fit as a reply and included is a great reply by stellarman

Google wants to protect its software apps i.e market and gmail and control its distribution.

Fine let Google control it and heres how:

Let Google host all its proprietary software per carrier on a special website.

Let us register our IMEI numbers with them and any carrier code that can be given

This code can than be used to log into the the Google set up site and get all the Google proprietary apps redownloaded back to the device per carrier. This allows Cyanogen and XDA to continue its amazing work in development and also as for PR this legalizes htc’s sense and moto blur. They are manufactures who customized android platforms but include Google proprietary apps how this makes them different I don’t known.

This allows all the devs to build these roms and not include or distribute Googles Applications and we download them from Google. We also know Google dosnt want us storing these apps to sd cards and again downloading them from Google solves the issue and they control distribution.

Problem solved, Google host a website , we register our IMEI’S and Google builds codes from those like T-Mo and problem solved and everyone can continue development.

Perfect solution and let google host the GoogleBack because thats where the issue starts. They dont want their software with the roms and they threw a fit and gave Cyan the C&D.

btw I agree completly it should be our right to back it up but google says it isnt

before 9/24 google used to be awesome and I hope something can be reached and hope I can contribute something to keep this going
[G1 Android Development] akapoor:
If you are referring to apps such as Google Maps, then no - this is not what is mainly being referred to in the CandD order. Google was primarily pissed off about how Cyan. had imported the Donut code, that was yet to be released, not to mention that it happened with Cupcake as well. I'm not saying that what Cyan did was wrong, as I also was supporting his ROM, but Google is getting a little too picky about this.

Cyan's methods are available online. You gotta use something called Google, unless you are annoyed enough to stop using Google. :)
[G1 Android Development] zambezy:
Look any script that anyone compiles will be viewed as warez.

What you need to do is use existing apps. But installing and backing up should be done at the User level. Writing instructions on how to backup and reinstall applications will in no way violate Google agreement at the Dev level. It would however violate it at the User level. And even at that level it is not real clear as you are just using what was entitled to you at the purchase of the phone. You can technically go after Google for violating their end of the deal and not allowing you to use the content on the device.

They dont know how these apps ended up back on your phone they have no case.

And lets face it technically installing a custom rom is violation of the T-Mobile agreement in its self. Using the Tether app is violation of it also. So no matter what people are breaking the law as it is.
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
It looks like maxisma has accomplished just that:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=564778

See post #10 in that thread.
[G1 Android Development] vemod:
Great clean solution

Hi guys,

i agree with this suggestion to have googleless roms.

actually thats even better than having spying software in your private phone. if you want them inside then just extract them from the original rom (you can extract apk files) and then after flushing with custom rom install them over as any other apk app. Personally i avoid google having access to my data as much as possible because they collect data and and you never know what they do with it or would do. i may sound paranoid but at least protective.

from the other hand if user is advanced enough to root the phone and flush cusom rom, he/she can be advanced enough to extract apk from original phone and install them on googlefree rom.

looking forward for roms w/o googevil
[G1 Android Development] aven_soulgazer:
When running Android on the Vogue it is set up where we can create an AndroidApps folder and drop in .apk files. They are automatically installed during boot up. If not that, could always see about including apps2sd and installing the .apks after boot.
[G1 Android Development] snakebitezz:
I've got a proposal

the whole put the update in a set location on the sd card and since most of us have a fairly large sd the sd could then be either seperated into 4 parts

i say this way because of preset sd cards but may/have to be redone this is where linux/linux-live distro comes in and guess what we know what linux equals right!!??!! FREE!!

1)fat32

2)ext(2-4) whichever is a prerequisite

3)linux-swap

4)fat32

since what i have read the update seems to only support install from the fat32 fs

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orrr we could just utilize the ext?? partition and have a way to install them there and for the linux live distro users and plain linux users this would be no problem to either add or subtract them but im not sure how the phone would react having the needed apps on the sd soo this would be a matter of scripting and testing the $#!+ outta this soo i am not a dev of any kind but will offer my phone up for TESTING lol just pm me with the details and illl be u r man this is extended to the active devs only not random evil doooeerrrsss!!!
[G1 Android Development] mlevin:
Breaking the LAW is not the same thing as violating a service agreement.
[G1 Android Development] AndroidFiend:
i think all google is caring about the leaked android apps such as the new market and new youtube app, so i would just stick with the old apps since they dont really care about those oldies.....but then again you can never be too safe
[G1 Android Development] fdeschape:
Open Handset alliance

How can someone become a member of that? is there a fee? i think that this community can stick together and pay the fee depending on the price. Cyanogen made all this possible with his developing.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
True but a service agreement is a form of contract, and I do believe that most in most jurisdictions contract law is a part of the prevailing law system.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Hmm.. not really ^^
[G1 Android Development] fdeschape:
yea i know not really... there were plenty of others.... i was trying to be positive and see if others would see what i was trying to say about having not only him but other dev's in here become a member of the Open Handset Alliance. how about making a group of developers members?

im in no way shape or form a developer but someone who enjoys pushing the boundaries of my g1/dream
[G1 Android Development] MarcusMaximus04@gmail.com:
Rather than going through the effort of reinstalling said apps(after already having uninstalled them), would it be possible(haven't looked at the recovery code at all) to just carry over any installation of the closed source apps? So, save them to the cache partition, format the system partition and go through the process of rebuilding it(during a ROM flash) and then reinstall them. From Google's official explanation of the issue, it sounds like that's what they want to happen. It would make the experience the exact same as it is now for users but without actually distributing anything at all.
[G1 Android Development] Mikey:
[SOFTWARE]GOOGLE Stuffer - FOR BARE BONE ROMS
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] shansheng:
Is this same mean with uspl and cid unlock:confused:
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] farukb:
well people think the same....that's what counts...although cid and uspl are not the same...

uspl is used to cid unlock your device
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] JBNAquatics:
Hey guys, I'm having a little problem with this app. So I tried to open an mp3 file to set it as my default ringtone but Rings Extended is not one of the choices that appears on the list. I'm using Linda File Manager.
[Hero, G2 Touch Themes and Apps] gurry:
if you use linda to create the right folders on the storage card and enable sd card notifications you can choose an mp3 stored in there.

I found tone picker a better app than rings extended.

gurry
[Hero, G2 Touch General] lloydsparkes:
Hi

I have the T-Mobile G2 Touch and a Motorola S9 headphones. Using the Origianl Stock T-Mobile ROM i have had no issues with bluetooth.

BUT

using the generic 2.73 ROM i have issues with connecting to the headset

It will connect, then instantly disconnect, then try to connect again, at which point it fails to connect properly

To Reproduce:

Using a HTC Hero & 2.73 ROM

Pair your S9's with the Hero

then Turn off the S9's and Bluetooth

Then turn on Bluetooth, and the S9's with the Bluetooth Settings up

you will see it say "Connected with Media", "Paired but not Connected", then "Connecting......." at which point it will fail

I have tried all the different radio versions to make sure it isnt a issue with the radio, but the same problem prevails.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to fix this issue? or what is causing it?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] chappie1970:
I also had issues with an unlocked Hero and a Sennheiser MM200 headset. Worked perfectly on original rom, but very fiddly to setup with the 2.73 rom.

The only way I can get them to work properly with the phone is to:

1) Make sure headset is turned off, as well as bluetooth on phone

2) Turn on headset

3) Then turn on bluetooth on phone

Headset connects as normal - any other sequence doesn't work.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] lloydsparkes:
I have tried this, and it doesnt seem to work. I have been trying it for the last hour.

While in Bluetooth Settings it says its connected with media, then is disconnects, then it trys to connect again, and then it just says "Connecting.........." for ages

The Headset light flashes as if it was connected.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] raywiper:
I also had problems connecting MM200. I could connect it, but then it kinda stuck when i was pressing play button.

But then i decided to check my old sony ericsson bluetooth headset - it was working normally. And after that the MM200 also was working. One wonders.

Still i've noticed some stuttering problems when song starts. And it seems to start with faster tempo and then slow down after 10 seconds to normal speed (could be related to that stuttering? Trying to compensate for the lost time or something). No issues when i'm listening to wired headphones - so it must either something with hero bluetooth or MM200.

I have to check how it works with my old headset, but i'm kinda afraid of having MM200 connection problems again.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] lloydsparkes:
Ok

i will keep playing around. i have some CX-300II coming next week so i have a backup plan if i cant get the bluetooth stuff working properly

Thanks for your help
[Hero, G2 Touch General] chappie1970:
I think the speeding up / slowing down and stuttering is more to do with the Hero - I have tried the headset connected to a laptop and there is no problem whatsoever. Hopefully the next Android update will improve the bluetooth problems.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wingy999:
not compatible with new mazda 3

Well the hero is probably the best phone ive had and ive had many many phones over the years including the jesus phone which was pants.

Well ive just bought a new mazda 3 and unfortunately the hero does not like connecting to the car via bluetooth. tried all sorts. sometimes it works but usually only for a couple of times and then manages to lock the car radio up.

So its bye bye hero for me as i need a compatable phone for my car. looks like its back to nokia...shame as i really love the phone
[General Questions and Answers] twixer1:
Hi all i have been looking for a flash player that will work with my Nokia N97 , can anyone recommend a working one?
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Welcome to forums

As we here dedicate only to HTC devices you won´t get too much atention.

Better if you try here:

http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/

Good luck,
[Touch HD General] xborfi:
:confused::confused::( hello i recently bought Touch Hd device and upgarded and changed almost 15+ WM6.1 and 6.5 roms. but none of them is good since the performance is too weak even my HTC Prophet device with wm6.5 and only 195MHZ CPU perform faster and smooter . I have also installed Neo Graphic Drivers 3 on my HD but no lock. performance of this 528MHZ device is really low and poor :confused::confused: any one have suggestion?
[Touch HD General] devilpera64:
Change telephone if you don't like this.!
[Touch HD General] frederikk:
I'm very very skeptical for that...

But of course, do you run TF3D on your prophet ? I would like to see it faster than on the touch HD. Can you please make a video ? I'd rather doubt it... of course if you compare the today screen on the prophet over the touch HD TF3D... it is possible, but TF3D adds services and possiblities too..

Honestly, i went from artemis... to diamond... and the touch HD, and the HD is the best of all ! Beetween the diamond and the artemis, i was less impressed .. but the diamond battery drain was awful ! But for rapidity the HD is great !

Have you tried to tweak a little your HD ?

Ciao

Fred
[Touch HD General] Neville.Holland:
I've been playing with a few 6.5 roms recently. Moved back to 6.1 and decided to reinstall from scratch.... never has the device been so smooth.

Waiting for a complete rom before upgrading again.... would love tflo2.5 on the standard rom.
[Touch HD General] blackbravo:
i have the same idea as u .... i´m starting to be very	disappointed with my touch HD,

with these rom's is better, but graphically it is very soft spot.... and the gps very laggy .....

for a phone that cost almost € 600, is weak ... :(
[Touch HD General] TMReuffurth:
You have to know that WM6.5 isn´t released yet and AFAIK i won´t be released oficially for Touch HD, so we cannot expect that it runs like on WM6.1.

Even with all tweaks the cookers try to implement into the Roms it will be difficult (or let´s say impossible) to release a "Perfect" Rom until the final Build is released. Almost every week a new Build is released.

So i think we all should wait until a final release of WM6.5 comes out and then we can see what cookers can do with it.

No one is obligated to use a WM6.5 Rom.
[Touch HD General] otacon:
I recently upgraded from Touch Diamond to Touch HD. And I am impressed... the fluidity of TF3D 2.1, programs opening and closing etc really blew me away. There was no way my TD could match the HD.

Are you loading too many programs into your system memory? For me, ALL programs are loaded into Storage Card, and I only use 33% of memory (according to Task Manager)... maybe this would make a difference?
[Touch HD General] SingaporeAirlines:
It is increasingly frustrating.

Can't wait to get a Leo with a decent processor.
[Touch HD General] WMguy:
I had similar thoughts and almost sold my HD until I tried Panosha's rom. I tried many roms and this one to me is the most stable and relatively quick. I also have a Touch Diamond 2 and that device blows away any other in terms of speed and responsiveness. But I love the HD too and this Rom saved it from going up for sale. Maybe worth a try if you haven't yet.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=495233&highlight=panosha
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
y dont u go look at the rom benchmark