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[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] daeshawn:
32b-ers

I think HTC could've brought the new sense to the 32b devices to but off course their licencing issue with google is what seems to be stopping em. Cause honestly i dont see them having a problem making a 32b thats childs play for them...at this point even though i have a 32a and that means good news for me (only cause i got it from rogers in canada) a magic/mytouch etc are the same damn thing and google seriously needs to cut the bull****..why get into a deal with a company only to cause issues with upgrades etc. I would probably say 90% if not 100% of the magic user became magic users because of the ability to get sense ui. Then there's that **** with cynogen and the list goes on..just venting a bit guys cause the 32b users are like our brothers up on here who are getting shafted due to a stupid thing as a logo? wtf? or because they have a little less memory? wtf? look around the forum, there are many 32b hero roms, so NO-ONE can tell me that a native Sense ui can't be brought to 32b boards with ease...google dont care though cause they got their cut and popularity from all the sales..but if they dont change their ways i'm sure they'll lose alot of customers in the future...obviously someone will
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] daeshawn:
32b-ers

I think HTC could've brought the new sense to the 32b devices to but of course their licencing issue with google is what seems to be stopping em. Cuz' honestly i dont see them having a problem making a 32b thats childs play for them...at this point even though i have a 32a and that means good news for me (only cause i got it from rogers in canada) a magic/mytouch etc are the same damn thing and google seriously needs to cut the bull****..why get into a deal with a company only to cause issues with upgrades etc. I would probably say 90% if not 100% of the magic user became magic users because of the ability to get sense ui and modify it etc. Then there's that **** with cynogen and the list goes on..just venting a bit guys cause the 32b users are like our brothers up on here who are getting shafted due to a stupid thing as a logo? wtf? or because they have a little less memory? wtf? look around the forum, there are many 32b hero roms, so NO-ONE can tell me that a native Sense ui can't be brought to 32b boards with ease...google dont care though cause they got their cut and popularity from all the sales..but if they dont change their ways i'm sure they'll lose alot of customers in the future...obviously someone will port the native sense ui..but that shouldnt have to happen PERIOD!:mad:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] WebghostDK:
I am looking forward to check out the Sprint TV app from the release when it gets out :)

Later this day you say? Would be nice :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Higgins12:
Well as i read it we won't have a Release too soon:

No word on releasing sapphire yet, im still working on it, ill work on it after blur!

means , waiiiiit .... Zzzzzz :-D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] WebghostDK:
http://www.androidspin.com/downloads.php?dir=drizzy/ROM/&sort=d&sortMode=m

Sprint hero system is there, the source anyway :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] MadBeaverDK:
Native Hero ROM is surely great news to the Hero owners, but the whole point of this thead is a native Magic ROM with Sense UI.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] redrazr7791:
So in other words...what Drizzy is working on...will not work on the MT3G:confused:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] cursordroid:
I would assume that Drizzy will be repacking the 32A Sense UI ROM with the kernel and modules necessary to boot on Dream/32B hardware because that's where he's been investing most of his development time already.

There will be no modification necessary to allow this ROM to run on 32A hardware, and minimal modifications to allow it to run on Dream/32B hardware. I would assume that the 32B hardware will require swap or compcache, with Apps2SD, but that's nothing new.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] WebghostDK:
If so, then its fail. Im running a Hero ROM (maxima's) with neither Compcache or Swap on (32B magic) and its just smooth and perfect.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] cursordroid:
Yeah, but are you able to pair up with and use a bluetooth headset for phone calls? Was the ROM actually made for your phone?

The reason this Sense UI update for 32A is such a big deal is that it's designed to run on 32A hardware, not something that's been patched together by a ROM Dev. I know we have some talented devs here on XDA, but nobody has been able to figure out Bluetooth issues on Hero ROMs.

Drizzy commented on his Twitter a day or so ago saying that he's got Sense UI at Cupcake speeds. All of this without any custom development, CompCache, Swap, BFS, Overclocking, Apps2SD, none of that stuff...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] WebghostDK:
I see. But are we certain that it is for the Magic's ?

Drizzy drake: "Everyone I am not going to release hero tonight, I need to remove all the blur drawables from it and i will!"
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] cursordroid:
Definitely a good point... Nowhere did he actually say that he was going to release a ROM for 32A devices.

But that being said, the HTC RUU file that he has is a Sense UI update for HTC Magic 32A devices, so it's not like it would be a lot of work to root this ROM and release it. Then the devs here could port a 32B kernel to it and release that as well.

Time will tell I guess. Sounds like he'll be working on the Sense UI ROM today, so we might see something before the day is out.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vrgomes:
So he is working on 32b.

But if 32a is already perfect, bring it on and later 32b :p
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] psl86:
I think people are mixing what he actually is working on.

"No word on releasing sapphire yet, im still working on it, ill work on it after blur!"

about 13 hours ago from web

...

"im working on releasing hero tonight late night of course"

So I think he is working on 3 things here..

Blur (which I think he released now)

Hero (which will be released today)

Sapphire (which he will release after Hero sometime..)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] WebghostDK:
Guys this should clear things up, i have pm'ed drizzy about it:

the images i have are not for hero, they are only for magic so yea they are official sense ui images for magic! no eta on release yet but i will release before the update is out!

Drizzy~
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] QuadDamage:
I hope he releases them before the Apocalypse.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
most of the hero roms run great some even with working bt and LEDS i understand why its a big deal but impatience gets no one anywhere

drizzy i await your release
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] redrazr7791:
Anything new? Just wondering if Drizzy is still working on this...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] fedeuser:
Let the man work... I'm sure he'll release it the minute it's ready.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Kazan22:
Apparently Drizzy is MIA, check over in the Dream/G1 forums about it. Or read Haykuro's tweets.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Higgins12:
Well we all don't know if it's true what we can read about Drizzy recently but what we can be sure (i guess) is that we won't see anything soon or anymore from him ... lets wait till next Month and the official Release from HTC than.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
Any devs paying attention to this thread? Jrbourque898@gmail.com hit me up on gtalk,

you guys might be running it soon
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] cfulco1181:
I have been running Hero 1.6 by max and drizzy. Its fast and stable
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
im guessing your time zone is different than mine just emailed you instead of gtalk hit me up and lmk
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] paindoo:
It seems the Drizzy was a fraud and if that is true, we would not see the senseui for 32A soon.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] nubcake:
Just wait for the official release :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] daeshawn:
exactly my thoughts
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] paindoo:
Now that it seems Drizzy is back in the game can we expect the sapphire senseui for 32As soon?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Dazog:
Doubt it, we will probably see the official one soon.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] apacheo:
Yeah I'm not holding out much hope for a pre-release leak.

I would like to see a rooted-and-nothing-else SenseUI for Magic though :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vrgomes:
If we thought that way this Forum is just useless :rolleyes:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
i think there should be one coming out soon? :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] nubcake:
Meh, i didnt mean to say "just ALWAYS wait for the official release"

The point is that the only actual guy that had the dump, aint gonna release it.

As you linked a few post earlier, we are gonna see the rom soon

http://www.htc.com/asia/press.aspx?id=109708&lang=1033

Also the magic is coming out in brasil with sense ui...i guess we could see a dump of the official release pretty soon :P

Just my thought
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
well i got a "dump" from drizzy but idk if its the real sense for magic....
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] lorenzo.themax92:
Wow if you got a dump can you upload here? The dump is flashable with fastboot?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] zenulator:
drizzys dump is sensui for the magic.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] skittleguy:
Does it exist? Is it legit? I saw a build.prop but anyone here can make one using notepad.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] paindoo:
will we ever see the magic senseui before its official release which IDK when it will happen? seems in zillian years????
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] zenulator:
i'm sure you will get it soon. i know for certain that it's the magic sense ui. when it boots and you have the option of the "home" or "htc sense" other people have had the dump they just don't want to release it for one reason or another.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] paindoo:
Sound interesting, so others do have dumps. I thought it was monopoly of Drizzy only. What are we waiting for then? let the magic begin.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
do you really want it?

i was gunna mess with it and post it

ill see what i can do for you
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
its not just

system.img

its what he was working on for 32b but idk if its REALLY sense UI or a hero release how can i tell the difference

i dont have anything bluetooth i can even try with
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] cursordroid:
That would be awesome if you could post the ROM. I would really like to try it out. I'm sure that I've got the patience in me to wait for the official release, but...

Thanks in advance!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Dazog:
All of us with 32a's want it, just make it root and Wifi tether and we are all set.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] NguyenHuu:
guys calm down, check out the other thread that zarboz posted. it was a false alarm, he doesnt have the sense ui. it was just another hero update.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] paindoo:
It was more off a joke than false alarm. It would not be nice if someone get a heart attack due to these jokes/false alarms.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] DopyG:
I already gave up waiting for drizzy... Might as well flash another hero ROM... Atleast they have multitouch...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
why you gotta hate read the thread i started and every post to page 3

it was a false alarm the leak that jrborque sent me was modaco's newest hero ported to magic with a BUNCH of edits to make it look like htc sense magic

i posted to see if drizzy would come out of hiding

he did

He told me what i needed to know ill hangout and wait for the official release

untill then its whatever twisteds hero and maxisma's are blazing fast on my mt3g all im lacking for real is bluetooth

but i can live without i dont own anything blue tooth except for other phones

once again i do apoligize thats why the release i put out had VERY WELL DOCUMENTED sources and where they came from and that i was not super sure yet if this was the real deal as i had not had a chance to flash the file yet

but for a hero it should run pretty quick :thumbsup: sorry for the misinfo guys
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Eskibo:
Zarboz is win!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
is win huh?

i dont understand your grammar hahah

but i think its a compliment long story short guys you shouldnt have to wait that long for sense to release idk if you check peoples twitters but their pretttttyyy informative (not my twitter other devs active in these forums)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Eskibo:
I'm sorry, I tend to write pretty outlandish at times ;)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] briggs81:
So what is wickedly fast for 32a lately?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] paindoo:
I have practically stopped waiting for sapphire senseui. So long....
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] NguyenHuu:
we know its coming officially in november. not that long guys. almost here!

just pretend drizzy never brought up the leaked saphhire one that he has, which raised everyone's hopes.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] daeshawn:
Just to stop the arguin' and upsets

I think there should be a new rule where u cant mention secret goodies u have until u've basically finished tweaking it/porting or whatever needs to be done. that way all thats said is "i got this and it will be out this date" plain and simple....then we know ok dude has this and we're getting it on whatever day. No one upset and no one getting at the next man
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] DopyG:
There is all kind of threads going on in XDA-developer that Drizzy is a big faker, making frauds and a scammer....

If anything of this is true (I dont know :confused:), I wonder if it can be related to his "leak" of this 32a....

Maybe there was no leak or he stole it from someone (the reason he couldnt release it becuz of his "source")?

Anyway I hope we see an official now -.-
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] hughyb:
So we know Sense is officially coming to the Magic, which is great news.

However, What is the possibility that someone will try and port it for the 32b (32a's weedy little brother) Magic

I do appreciate that the 32b has less ram and thus will not be as smooth but at least this rom will be desgined for this phone.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] NguyenHuu:
porting to 32B wouldnt be a problem since hero and magic 32a share same specs. if they can port the hero sense ui to run smoothly on g1 and 32B currently, im sure they can do the same for the magic's sense ui.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] LooSeGoD:
What im wondering is if the "Official" senseui release will support multitouch. We all know the magic is capable of it but will HTC include that functionality since the magic was never advertised as being multitouch capable.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Zarboz:
should be easy enough to activate or impliment

i cant wait hopefully itll be like HTC's optimized Hero with BT and LED's

although TTran's hero has that already
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vercetti:
some simple questions...

hey guys!

i've been following this thread for a while now and also read a lot about various magic upgrades/flashes/etc. it would really be great if someone could answer a couple questions for me (or even post a link to where these answers could be found), cuz i guess they're pretty easy...

1.) if someone has a "with google" htc magic why will he not get the sense update? that's what it says in every press release, blog or whatever. actually i don't mean "why" he won't get it (this is made clear anyway), but won't it be possible to just put the official sense update for the magic on the "with google" phones once it gets released? is it because the official sense update will recognise that the "with google" magic has a 32B board and it won't install then? or are they just trying to say that it's not "allowed" to install the official update once it gets out cuz you'll lose your warranty or something and you can do it anyway if you don't care about that?

i'm having trouble understanding this...

2.) how will future android updates influence a htc magic phone that has the official sense update installed? let's say you update a magic running sense with the 1.6 donut from android: will sense be gone afterwards? or do i just have to apply the sense update again after installing the 1.6 upgrade (and any other following android upgrade)?

thanx for helping me out on these basic questions,

i really apprecciate it!

greetz,

vercetti.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ziokendo:
First and foremost 32B devices have way less memory, so plain sense would be difficult to run (this does not mean that a mod rom with swap, etc, can't provide it, infact it does).

Aside that, you have to understand that HTC sense is a custom interface made by HTC on top of the core Android OS, to provide the end user with an "htc experience" (ie. T-Flo, etc).

So it will come with the "htc experience" phones, like HTC Magic 32A, Hero, etc.

These are sold not like plain android phones, infact the android os has been customized by htc. This is possible because the android core is open source. Infact they cannot sport the "by google" logo on the back.

32B Magics on the other hand (and all future android phones with the "by google" logo, made by htc, motorola, samsung, whatever) are designed to provide the "Google experience", so - unless you mod them - they will get "regular" android updates. 1.5 -> 1.6 , 1.6 -> 2.0 etc, as long as google decides to support them. And no sense.

What I am trying to make clear to you, is that "sense" is not part of the android experience as meant by google, is just an interface modification by HTC, that you may or may not like, and that will go just on htc experience phones.

The plain android insteads follows a different route, and is going on a lot of different devices, made by different producers, not only htc.

Yes. Sense roms are different. They have a different kernel, different software (htc framework, etc).

So, unless HTC in the future provides a further update (ie 1.6 + sense, 2.0 + sense) you're stuck with the actual 1.5+sense that has been just released, and will be released in the near future also for european phones.

So if you load a official donut/eclair/whatever rom you lose sense.

Of course modding is another kettle of fish, meaning you probably will see donut based sense roms, whatever based blur roms, and every kind of technically possible combination.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jamesyb0i:
nice answer. From my communication with HTC it sounded as if they were expecting Google to supply a reworked donut to work with their HTC experience 32a devices. I'm not even sure that Google has an obligation or an intention to support the 32a, if someone can confirm or get a source that'd be good. The best we can do is hope that some of the performance improvements from donut have been taken into the development of the new Sense UI, although probably not the new 30% faster camera; but no biggie.

Then there's the mods, unfortunately most of our programmers seem to be American's using 32B mytouchies, forgive me if I'm wrong
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vercetti:
hey ziokendo, thx for your answers!

question number two is solved for me, great answer, thx!

question number one however, i have to dig deeper for the answer i'm looking for:

i know that the 32B devices have about 100mb less ram and that sense would not run as fast on them as it should. i'm also aware of the other points you mentioned regarding "google phones/android expirience" and the sense interface by htc.

but what i'm interested in is if -technically and not philosophically- the upcoming official sense will or will not run on a "with google" phone, regardless of smoothness due to the lacking 100mb ram. i'd like to know if it's just a legal thing and you'll lose your warranty if you put the sense on a "with google" phone or if it will just NOT work, period.

so if i had a "with google" phone and downloaded the official sense update from the htc homepage and follow the instructions on their site will my "with google" phone at some point during the installation give me an error saying that i cannot install the update or will it install everything and all i have to worry about is that it won't run smoothly and that i lost my warranty because it's forbidden for "with google" phones?

something that might be connected with my question is the OTA matter (i think it stands for over the air, right?). the sense will be an actual file to download from their site and to copy to the sd card. but are the android versions maybe only OTA files? would that mean that "with google" phones are recognised as such when they connect and that this is where they are stopped at getting certain updates?

sorry for bringing up the OTA matter, it's all just a bit confusing for me how things work. :-(

thanx for your time + answers,

vercetti.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jamesyb0i:
well of course it woudn't work it's not made to, that's why we have a modding community :)

As far as warranty goes, its open source software but if you brick it I don't think there's much of a legal responsibility
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vercetti:
hey, thanx!

and do you know what's responsible for it not to work? is it because the update detects that the phone only has 192mb ram (and it's programmed to only install on the 288mb version), or does the update somehow detect that it's a "with google" phone and that will stop the install procedure?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jamesyb0i:
>.< well I haven't tried but I'd assume it would do something like

if (this phones hboot/radio/spl != the intended hboot/radio/spl) {

throw Exception;

} else {

continue;

}

so it would be software code stopping you from installing to prevent irreversable damage by letting you continue.. dont hate me
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vercetti:
hehe, don't worry, i'm not hating anyone here :-)) in fact you're all a great help!

i don't even own a htc magic (yet), i'm just trying to get the facts and possibilities straight before i actually get one.

so what about the htc magic versions that do have 288mb ram but are still branded, like the rogers in canada, the tim in italy or the one in switzerland? i guess it depends if they are "with google" phones, cuz their 32A motherboard alone still won't do the trick, right?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ziokendo:
not out of the box.

kernel for 32A won't run on 32B boards, there are technical differences.

that's why the roms on this forums are in 32A or 32B versions ("ports"), because the kernel is different.

so yes you can't install the 32A official rom on 32B devices, it won't even boot as far as i know, even if the installer would theoretically let you install (and would not).
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ziokendo:
I can answer only for the Telecom Italia Mobile (TIM) version that's for sale in Italy unlocked at 349-399€ (depending on the shop), because that's the one I have.

The only "branding" is the startup logo. Then you can flash anything you want and run on any gsm sim card, and there will be a official sense rom in the middle of november, standing to htc, that of course will keep this branding.

Altough if you are concerned with warranty i won't ebay for a foreign HTC phone, i mean, i am not sure repair center all over the world would be able to service a tlc-operator-branded phone.