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[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
The OOA code page is currently set to GPLv3. JBQ says that will not fly for AOSP. I believe GPLv2 will, though.

I look forward to the synergy.
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
Thanks for the info!

By the way OAA was just interviewed by The Register and an article should be up shortly.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
We plan to use some of AOSP code. Our code will be licensed in a way where anyone can use it, therefore if they want to use it and its modifications then they are free to. In one way or another for the underlying system we may use some of their code but on the front side such as apps and UI it will be done all inhouse so we know we can do what we want when we want i belive this is how it will go down but again it is up to the community what it decides goes. I am only one of the comunity my choice is is worth the same as anyone elses
[G1 Android Development] IConrad01:
It'd be nice to see active submissions of OAA code to the AOSP, though. Just sayin'.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
If anyone wants to they are free to but as of right now i am juggling this form the open anodroid alliance home site and alldroid form so im pretty busy but if anyone wants to keep them up to date feel free.
[G1 Android Development] ttabbal:
The page also says that if the developers would like a different license, I'm happy to change it. :D I picked that one out of the list for no reason other than I'm familiar with it. If there are issues with v3, v2 is also fine with me. As is Apache, BSD, whatever.
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/28/google_android_developers_reaction/

We are on the news... look forward to see whats in store.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
JBQ has said that he is too busy to monitor the OAA, so... We're right back to two different projects trying to do the exact same thing with no communication between, resulting in a fragmentation of the community and duplication of effort.

I have yet to hear a compelling argument for why it is somehow better to continue in the OAA rather than all join the AOSP effort. Anyone?
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
You know how many ROM's there are? We plan on creating one using new code, etc. We may contribute back and forth, and who knows we might be able to create a faster, greater rom.

We may start off using Cyan as a base and build up... or start from a basic rom. Probably use some existing open code to base these apps from or maybe completely new apps.
[G1 Android Development] Zoide_:
Sorry guys, but I agree with danguyf on this one. I think the OAA site could continue to exist as a forum, news/discussion/opinion site, but all code should get updated at the same place (AOSP) to get things moving faster and avoid wasted effort.

That said, I really admire you guys' efforts, so please don't take this the wrong way.
[G1 Android Development] msimoens:
if you need any help with the web site let me know. I know PHP, HTML (of course), JS, MySQL....
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Competition

You know what they say competition builds greater products. Simple economics. Look at the hero rom development scene keeps getting better and better... Why? To try to out do the other so if u cant join them beat them haha I'm jk about that (or am i), but we can go in 2 completely different directions and still end up with an amazing rom. We can go our way they can go their way if either needs help I'm sure the other will donate time and knowledge
[G1 Android Development] ThR1LL:
But since this is pretty much being build from the ground up shouldn't everyone be collaborating together and then go seperate ways once a rough build of everything we need is made?
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
That's what we are doing on the forums

http://openandroidalliance.com/forum
[G1 Android Development] schwiz:
You should talk to the handcent admin about the sms/mms and kolbysoft about steel. I can't live w/o either of those apps and I would think they would be happy to comply.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
JBQ says, "ASL2 is by far the preferred license".

http://groups.google.com/group/android-platform/msg/11b1bd05a8187c88

@schwiz: The browser is already open source, so there's no need to replace it.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
Because they're all actively incorporating code from the AOSP into their roms (as well as tweaks developed by members of XDA and other forums, of course), taking the improvements overseen by JBQ and building upon them, and contributing those improvements back into the AOSP.

They each started with a complete working rom. They didn't start by removing all of the Google proprietary code, rolling their own apps, and inventing multiple incompatible Market replacements. The two situations are not analogous.
[G1 Android Development] ttabbal:
From the same message:

"In the end, the benchmark is whether the restrictions set by non-ASL2

licenses limit the usefulness of the code for cell phone manufacturers

(and therefore indirectly for consumers). "

So, basically, "we don't have to have to release the source if we change the contributed code". Pardon me if I don't feel too upset about that reason.

I can see why they don't like GPL3, it's a LOT more strict about such things. For community groups like us, it's irrelevant. For a company that doesn't mind contributing back to the community that gives them so much, it's irrelevant.

Personally, I learn more toward the FSF way of looking at things. We wouldn't be where we are today without GPL. That's not to say that the other licenses and such aren't good, they are. I don't even mind some company using code I wrote for the community in a product they sell. It does irritate me a little when they take that code and lock it down though.

All that said, if the majority of OAA developers want a different license, I'm fine with it and my code will be under the new license. I'm also fine with various sub-projects being licensed under different licenses, so long as those licensees are open source and the license is spelled out ahead of time. I'm not some crazy license zealot, I just have preferences like all people. :)
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
Yeah. I don't like it, but I understand that the manufacturers and carriers are never going to accept having to release their own improvements to OSS.

One option would be to keep GPL-licensed contributions on the proposed community branch of the AOSP, I think.
[G1 Android Development] sim64one:
Open open open > free

I dont use the builtin email client, k9 is anyway better.

Steel it is good so!

AndNav2 it is not so bad!

and there are a lot of IM client and thousen of free APK!

We really need Google?

The only thing I've liked about google it was only for the attention to open source, but their new way is not accettable for me (I need not another MS or Apple).

Few months ago when I buyed my Dream in Italy from TIM, it was a very poor phone with the broken firmware from tim, now with cyanogen mod it is better then a Iphone.

Phones with android OS are the best "toy" of the last years then I want them forever free.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Is anyone else tired of this guy? Come on now we have development, we are moving forward OUR way we are also now collaberating with the Replicant Project. If you want to help AOSP or anyone be my guest as long as you arent on the OAA site. You are helping noone doing what you are doing now. We know u like to give your $.02 which is fine every once in a while, but your $.02 is worth nothing anymore IMO

Thank You
[G1 Android Development] digitaljeff:
he makes a good point tho ... others are actively creating CODE .. while what i see you guys doing is creating a website, and hoping devs sign on.. sure you got on the register..but getting devs working on your project (and not devs saying "hey i know how to code, ill do this") is a completely different story, this is why more people are willing to support the AOSP...whatever though, people do what they have to do... good luck my friend from Saskatchewan ... (pa here)
[G1 Android Development] evilpig:
We already have many people working on different aspects of the project.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
My concern is that:

[1] the OAA may squander the available oxygen in the room, so to speak, getting everyone all excited and then going nowhere due to lack of proper project management and

[2] the OAA is distracting from the AOSP, and

[3] the OAA, by its public face, may lead the public to judge the general Open Source Android movement based on it, and thereby discount it as unserious and barely literate.

Please, prove me wrong. Start managing the project well, producing original code, and presenting yourself in a mature manner devoid of txtspeak. It would thrill me to see the OAA succeed.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
As of right now we are collaborating and are very close to a bare bones build... Have you even looked at the site first of all everyone has a real life so getting people together online is a lot harder then a 9-5 job I would know I am a project leader in my department at my real job which is why I cannot commit as much time as I would like into this. We are however working as hard as we can. We have a few apps in the works and we have VERY competent people working on the driver side. I am sure that like we said in the article we WILL have a good working beta in about 2 months at most. I am not a developer nor have i ever claimed to be so on the technical side I know very little of the terms used but i am trying my hardest and this is the last time I will respond to you because I know what we are doing, as does everyone else in the project, will make a difference and that is all that matters.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
I think you might need a more technical project lead, with OSS experience.
[G1 Android Development] firestrife23:
I dont believe forums is best place for collaborative, it's more of discussion. There are much better collaborative platform out there, such as Freepository or Bugzilla, or whatever i'm sure someone got better suggestion and I'll leave that up to group founder, co-founder, etc.
[G1 Android Development] Icebergxx:
Kinda just jumping in here but maybe we should go to actual Linux forums and ask people to get involved or interested? I'm not a dev but I know that some computer Linux users might be able to help us out a lot.

Also the dev of Handcent had mentioned he would be willing to help out with this if asked.
[G1 Android Development] phamous:
Great idea! this thread's been dead for a while now though, and the site isn't really much of a site...

is this project dead? D:
[G1 Android Development] :
yeah this project is a epic fail
[G1 Android Development] jokeyrhyme:
I believe everyone was initially very upset with Google and very excited to be taking on such a large public figure with such a bold move.

Of course, Cyanogen ended up compensating for Google's request quite elegantly and quickly, which meant the primary reason for the existence of this project rapidly evaporated.

Also, Google never once targeted anyone except Cyanogen, so while we were all concerned that all Android hacking would come to a complete stop, in reality it was business as usual on these forums.

Not that any other ROM cooker has even taken notice, but Google's request is basically that the only applications universal to all Android devices are those found in the SDK and repository. Anything else that comes pre-installed by manufacturers on phones is actually specifically licensed to those devices, so you can't go around installing the official Market application (I believe this particular example was the real reason for calling in the lawyers) on devices that didn't already have it.
[G1 Android Development] jubeh:
So, how's the revolution goin'?
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
As predicted, poor project management took all of that energy and momentum and squandered it. *le sigh*
[G1 Android Development] alapapa:
I'd like to see at least the IM & Email OSS equivalents take off.

anyone interested in collaborating on a libpurple front end with me?
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
HAHA

U know whats funny it was fine and moving forward till i left because people like you tellin me i couldnt do it... but if anyone wants to restart the project head over to the site lets get this on the move.
[G1 Android Development] ravenjr:
xclair UI

hey im developing an AUI (advanvce user interface) completely from scratch, no borrowed graphics or look alike stuff.....im developing the ui in flash cs4, my developers hardware is Mac Os nd i have never been able to get any of the sdk or adb type stuff to work after soooooo many long wasted ours of following guides so im kinda wanting to distribute the finished project to a developer who can port it correctly to android, either you, sterricson or cyanogen.....mssg me
[G1 Android Development] jorobochi:
This idea is good, but i think if we make new project, it will be better that all the apps are open source and the drivers too, under GPL (Like some linux - debian)

To start new project with replacemens apps that are not opensource can be the cause that we will need new projet after mounts.

I am for apps only with source code under GPL or Apache licence.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
I just wanted you to prove me wrong. I was asking questions, like what the differences were between the various "Lead" positions you were advertising, to try to get you to clarify your plans and direction. Instead you just disappeared without a word.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
I was awaiting any direction from someone with more intelligence as I said the whole time I'm not a developer or even close. I have no ideas what branches are needed that is why I asked for a single lead that could divide the work accordingly to what was needed.

So it anyone has any sort of developing knowlege help me out send me an email so we can get this business started back up and the complete open source is exactly where i wanted us to aim but it is not my project it is community drivin.

I also agree i shouldnt have just left but i figured someone would pick it up if yall are willing to allow me another shot lets do it otherwise we can just leave it dead here.
[G1 Android Development] digitaljeff:
id say leave it dead. if any devs wanted to sign on they would have. also the rom community is certainly alive and well with so many releases comming out, also cyan;s mod live just fine after he found a work around to the google issue. android is most certainly not dead, it is just taking a path different then most of us would have thought.

the idea was nice, execution not so much.

i applaud you for your efforts though
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
I'd still wanna see how this turns out...I'm sure you can find a few real devs to help you, and being that it isn't a huge issue anymore there is no more urgency required...keep up the good work...and any possibility we can get some screens of your concept UI?
[G1 Android Development] digitaljeff:
oh btw jjcd51590 you site is nothing but a spam fest, unless you intended it to be that way. ZERO content with nothing BUT Google ad-sense adds. Please for the sake of all that is good remove it now. Coming from someone who wanted to get as far away from google as possible this is an extremely hypocritical act.

its rediculous how in BIG BOLD LETTERS you pimp your site, yet when one goes to it there it is absolutely nothing. profiting off your register interview much???

sheesh....

(edit) looks like your site may have been hacked...
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Profit?

I take it u spent no time actually looking at the site because yes it was hacked and I have not seen a penny of any of the ad money nor do I care I did not make the site have no idea how to make a site I'm not even admin on the site anymore. i have gotten nothing even remotly associated to profit from anything that has to do with OAA. The ads are there to make the website possible they are not free you know and as I said a million times it is not anti-Google but pro-android.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
sounds interesting good find and the only thing i remember about that was lookin for a damn bios file lol
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
those arent limits, those are afaik laws, nobody put a gun to yours or cyans head nd told u you to use google maps, it your choice and by making that choice you agree to comply with the terms and conditions that come with MAPS not android, as i said before nowhere on the google maps website does it say its open source, im assuming u knew that so im assuming ur smart enough to know that google did not go back on anything they said about being open source i
[G1 Android Development] PlatinumMOTO:
Well if you remember there was a post on Gizmodo Android that said Google officialy said they would not be releasing Donut for the G1 but they would for the MyTouch 3G so what's a G1 user supposed to do buy a new phone that has no physical keyboard which in essence is the same exact phone as the G1 just more stylish? Nope, it said in the post when Google releases the SDK you can count on ROMs from Cyanogenmod to bring it to the G1 users, and he did just that wow, what a coincidence?
[G1 Android Development] X-i-phoner:
Apple users kinda did something like this. When you jailbreak your devise it allows you to access new markets on your phones homescreen (Cydia and Icy). Apple hates this but theres nothing they can do about it. WOW it voids your warranty (if they find out). Given ROMs are a different thing but just an example to keep hopes up.

If Apple users can do it...... Android users can MASTER it!
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
first of all man we are not talking about maps we have replace pretty much most of the user apps what we are having trouble with is the setup and other system apps that are also closed source... i know it is my choice that is why i started this Project. think of it as another rom it is about preference im fine with my phone as it is...

Ok let me give u an example here so u see where i am coming from... say u buy a computer its got windows on it sure its a nice computer and it does have customization but not to the level u want what do you do?
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
name a level we cant reach
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
we could argue all day but when i comes down to it it is development

@maxisma yeah i hear you this is a rough draft for now no tellin where it will end up
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
The only thing I really NEED is the market.. slideme.org simply sucks..
[G1 Android Development] G_won:
The only alternatives that comes close to maps are paid ones. Google mainly lacks BADLY in carrying over the browser version of Maps features over to the app (ok maybe a couple features but them missing shows how tacky it is) but outside of that and no turn-by-turn it's rigid enough to make it hard for an app not named CoPilot to be on par with it from what I seen...

Music player i think it's almost a no brainer to have Meridian Evolve serve as an ideal default.

But really, I'm really itching to see the real "crime" of what Cyanogen did. Google apps is all over their OS which I thought was the friggin point of them making it open source so folks can go right to Google's domain n crap. This is seriously making little sense...
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
all true there but it is not maps that has the problem i still dont know why delco keeps sayin it is :rolleyes:... cyan released the donut market app. the thing is that if google really wanted to mostly all roms and themes would be in trouble because MOST have some way shape or form of a closed source google app
[G1 Android Development] :
>1. New app store (Probably the most challenging) EDIT: Slideme.org is said to be a good replacement for android market.

We can install apps from a website, this shouldnt be too hard

>2. New email system (there are quite a few good apps out already)

K-9 is free and open source, and alot better then Gmail, But you forget that the standard Email app is free and open source (but its crap :P)

>3. New Navigation (a couple free may even bring in yahoo maps) EDIT: google maps is freely available in the Market so no Problems should be here as long as it is included in rom (hard to get off market with no market ;-))

Google maps is 'free' but im pretty sure you have to be signed into your google account to use it.

>4. New IM client (again a few alternatives) Meebo?

There are plenty of alternatives on the market

>5. YouTube? (not sure if this is licensed)

There is a player that plays content from bbc iplayer, and also there is a free open source video decompression library called ffmpeg that can play just about anything, if it was ported we could play flash video.

>6. I have forgotten about the sign in part seems we need alternatives to the SetUp Wizard and Check in applications to enable sync (any ideas would be nice)

I have already made a build of android that bypasses these checks, i wanted to make a version of android that doesnt use google for anything.

>7. Browser (steel, opera, others)

The browser is free and open source and in the android git repository.

I saw this coming as soon as google pulled apps from the market, they talked like they were on our side, but i think its pretty obvious now that they are not.

We could pull the google apps from our phones then put them back on after installing cyan's build.

We could have a script on the PC side that does the above before flashing the build.

We could get all get our act together and build our own android for our people. And completely boycott google, getting rid of that stupid search bar.

I for one will be switching my search provider back to bing.com
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
LOL why didnt i just come to u first good lookin out is ur rom on this website? or could u give a little description on how u got past the sign in?
[G1 Android Development] alsutton:
As requested in this thread....

My company runs AndAppStore (one of the biggest non-Google controlled application directories) and we allow free distribution of our client, so we could fill the need for an app store.

We're an alternative to Google Market and we work with Developers, OEMs, and porting groups who don't get an agreement with Google to distribute Market as part of their android build. If you want more info about us you can take a look at the about page on our site

Feel free to give the client (and website) a try, and if you've got any comments let me know.
[G1 Android Development] emuboy:
why simply don't we make an app that extract these apps from the original phone rom, store it in the sd, flash the cynogen and install it from the sd? no illegal things....
[G1 Android Development] BoxyD:
Actually that is illegal.
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Ehh no? It isn't.

Source:

http://www.htc.com/www/support/android/adp.html#s3

So it's illegal to create an alternative..

But not to backup it ;-)
[G1 Android Development] emuboy:
we can do it? it's the KISS solution IMHO....
[G1 Android Development] on1ydabest:
Just an Idea

So from my understanding, Cyanogen roms are essentially builds pulls from the SDK and repository (which is free and anybody can download) that are then pimp out and made badass by Cyanogen. Correct? So the whole illegal part is that Cyanogen's are being DISTRUBUTED with the Google protected stuff included. Correct? If this is true, wouldn't be legal for Cyanogen to just put up a blog to let us know what super cool mods he did for the rom he makes for his "personal use"? We then build a "personal rom" from the SDK and repo make those same mods to our "personal rom". Downfall is it wouldn't be too noob freindly at that point.

EDIT: After thinking about it a little more I realized that this method would be a ton of work for Cyanogen and it would require him to give up his secrets for making the rom badass. So this solution also relies on him willing to do it and/or someone helping him do it.