yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
Okay, Manila 2.5 1919 got many bugs, but in this world there isn't any PERFECT software.

Just like Windows Mobile 6.1 isn't perfect, Windows 7 isn't perfect, even hardware isn't perfect, such as AMD 790X/GX/FX chipsets or other parts.

They won't ever be perfect.

PERFECT SOFTWARE DOESN'T EXIST.

So... why don't you release an alpha/beta build of this?

We're all warned of bugs.

I notice you that when a product is released it comes with a buglist if there are known bugs and comes without buglist if there are unknown bugs.

But BUGS are in every software. Even if you don't know and don't run in it.

P.S.: I'm sayin' this only for let you know.

This project is not in my absolutely-want-list anymore as I'm migrating to HTC HD2 (Leo) on 16th November.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
As I can see it's only the Manila Core (Manila consists of some more packages). It doesn't make sense to invest time in porting a part of something that doesn't seem to be complete nor to be final.

BECAUSE I personally do not have the time for it. You ask us to sped time on creating, releasing and supporting something that could become outdated in a week or two. And then we will start all over and the everyone crys for 1920 VGA Packs and the 1921, ... I will not do that.

AND this is not a PRODUCT of us! It from HTC and they have never released something, so why should we release buggy and incomplete things?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] emresumengen:
Kholk, would you mind buying one for me and sending it? (Positively serious) :))

I'm afraid it won't be available that soon here in Turkey... :)

I really wonder, what makes you say "could become outdated in a week or two", when there's been nothing new for a REAL while... If it's being updated that much, I guess you'd have something at hand to work over with, right?

And, of course nothing can be said over "I don't want to do it"... But if that's the fact, then there's no meaning I'd be here every day, checking out news... Can we safely unsubscribe from this thread???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gammarho55:
???

mods, can we just lock this thread until we actually get something of use... there's 26 pages of nothing but asking when will there be an update. if there was actual, tangible progress being made where people are actually commenting on the product itself, then i could see keeping it open. but until then, doesn't make much sense to keep it open getting the same response over and over... "when, when, when???"
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] supersobbie:
ok so I have been watching this thread and trying XOR ROM... I have to say I love manila 2.5 and the work that the team has put into this. I guess I am a little disappointed since the port has been 99% for the longest time. I understand that you have stopped working on 1918 since you want to work on the latest... but I think that is the wrong way to look at it....

you stopped working on 1918 to take a look at 1919 and found that it was tooo buggy. so you are waiting for 1920 or 1921 version... But what if these are both "too buggy" to bother porting... then we have lost all this time. I have to say I think that the 2.5 version that I see in the XOR ROM seem very complete and works GREAT!!!! I personally would count that as a fine.

Now I have made an assumption that you have stopped work on 1918 version and could be very wrong. If I am I apologize.

Thanks again for all your hard work and I appreciate everything that you have done.

Have a GREAT day and weekend!!!

SoBBie

PS According to this http://www.everythingdiamond.info/showthread.php?t=94&page=61 only 2 packages are updated to 1920.

PPS Also when version 2.1 came out they just still released it even with a newer version available.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
We have been porting 1918 and 1919 leaked, before we finished. Then I started porting 1919 and found too many bugs (which have not been in 1918), so I continued porting 1918 (Music Tab and working on Stocks now) and now we have parts of 1920. So should I drop everything and start all over hoping 1920 will be the last!?!?!? NO! If we're finished with 1918 AND there will be no final, we will release 1918 maybe. But then people start crying for 1920 or whatever!

This thread was never meant to be what some people made out of it! It should be a descussion of the VGA port and there are enough roms to test it!

We won't release anything only because some people say that WE MUST! We will release only something that is stable enough to integrate it in productive roms. Because we have enough betas for testing.

Yes, if you subscribed it only to get some EXT Packs for YOU, then you should do so! But if you subscribed it to participate on the testing and porting progress, then test the beta roms and participate.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
Yes I personally stopped active development on 1918, because I will have to do ALL THE WORK AGAIN! And if it should happen as you say, the HTC will never release a stable Manila 192X version! Do you really think so!?

I do not loose time! I am not porting Manila itself now. I work on my WM 6.1 rom and optimizing ALL THE OTHER PACKS shipped with Manila 2.5! Manila is not ONLY MANILA_CORE_19XXX This ARE OVER 20 PACKS!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xaoc747:
When you'll make a cab for Manila 2.5???

Ready to be a beta-tester from RUSSIA:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xdmcdmc:
I don't understand why you don't make what you have public. At least this way, nobody will cry after packages and everybody can try for themselfs.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
They did! It's in their rom!

I'm appalled at some of the responses and attacks directed at the developers of this project!

If I were the developers I would put up a donation target of ridiculous value before I will complete the project...say $10K!

Then when these guys manage to pony up you will at least have decent reason to put up with it since they will have essentially hired you!

If they are going to treat volunteers like paid slave workers that must conform to their deadlines then you should at least get paid handsomely for it!

At least then they would have the right to boss you around!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] d-signet:
can't blame anyone for not releasing in a while

The problem is that the devs KNOW that there are still problems with it....they know it's not ready for testing properly yet

so why release it?

if they do...this thread will VERY quickly fill to 100+ pages of people telling them about problems they already know about and asking for fixes (which havent been done yet) and then moaning becuase there isn't any support.

just back off guys....they'll release when it's ready.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gammarho55:
...this is exactly why this thread needs to be locked until they release something
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
The only thing locking is going to do is send these whiners out into the other forums (or maybe even flood D&H) with requests for ports of 2.5! Or badger Yoz and Capt TBack for the weather home panel in the 2.1 thread...

They don't like the release that has been made so far (THE ROM!) and they are going to pout and hold their breath and badger until they get their easter egg!

In the end we are going to have to wipe out this thread once there is a release because it will be so full of junk posts (LIKE THIS ONE!) that no one will be able to find a damn thing when searching which will only lead to even more useless posts because no one could search for an answer!

Is locking a thread a solution? I don't know but locking out some accounts might...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TMartin:
Keep up the good work Sun-CM Team and MuttiM!!! The test roms look great!!! I hope all the chatter in here doesn't keep you from making a release. We are all just impatient.....it's just human instinct.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] krook6023:
I have been reading silently since the beginning of this tread…I personally think if the packages were released today…other members (having access to the packages) would find ways to fix almost all of the bugs.

I am not demanding or even requesting that the developers of this thread release what they have. That is a decision I don’t get to make. But think how much further along we would be if…everyone had alpha’s and beta’s to play with, troubleshoot and fix.

I can’t believe I still read this thread everyday…almost every post is useless…so I encourage the mods to lock the thread because at least for now development has been stopped…people can post about the ROMs that have been released in the appropriate ROM thread.

Maybe other members would be more inclined to tackle this port if they were not under the assumption that the port is 99% done and going to be released…

P.S. _lab, Kisja & muttim86 I really appreciate what you a doing for the community and this is not a personal attack at any of you…thanks for working on this project.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Asphyx:
The PORT is 99% done...

The holdup is the dependencies at least that is what I have read from the developer's posts.

Porting (as I tried to explain earlier) is not the problem here...They can make every TAB VGA and they can obviously get it to work well enough to run in their rom.

When they say 99% done they are talking about the resizing of the tabs not the dependencies!

they are not working on the dependencies that I know of. I could be wrong there...they are trying some of them in their ROM which is why they ask anyone who wants to try this to run their ROM!

By doing so and reporting bugs they might be able to work out some of the dependency bugs!

Having packages on 50 different ROMs is not going to help it is only going to confuse the issue because unless they know exactly what was cooked into a particular rom the reports back from those cooks will be quite useless!

Geoservice can break simply by cooking in footprints. But someone will report that as a bug despite it being a bug they created not the developers!

If the developers want to wait for a stable version before they release I certainly can't blame them. I sure wouldn't want to support a buggy product and if the impatience and demands for the release is any indication, I can only imagine the crap that will go on when something everyone knows doesn't work is out in the hands of amateurs whining for fixes so they can brag to their friends about how cool their beta/Alpha phone is!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Captain_Throwback:
closing thread for now

Since the team is waiting for a stable release before completing this project, I'm closing the thread for the time being. If you'd like to see the progress, try out one of the team's ROMs.

It will be re-opened once there's something to post.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Trident:
FYI, the links to indagroove's XOR rom aren't working. I don't think he's supporting this ROM anymore.:( At least not for the Diamond.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Quiksmage:
looks amazing guys, great job
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] MRFERRARI23:
for which phone is this rom being made for? if its for the htc diamond i hope one for the htc fuze in right behind it cause id love to have this on my fuze to WOW!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] muttim86:
For phones DIAMOND and PRO, version ROM! :D

For other VGA phones, version CAB or OEM! :D

However, it is all written in the first page! :eek:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ver1.0:
Great Job:p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] JoOoSs:
oh my god :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] arjen888:
hope this works also on 6.1 roms ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] skilty:
Can't wait to try this!:)

anyone know how much storage 2.5 takes up compatred to 2.1?:confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] TMartin:
I know Inda just switched to the Touch Pro. Also that server that had the ROM has been shutdown.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] nikoan89:
this project ROCKS!!! :cool: :cool: :cool:

The best Team for Manila porting ever!!!! :eek:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Soikiro:
how much time for a firt cab or oem?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] gsrboy171:
everythingdiamond is down. iam trying to get the CMDA manila 2.5

i just wait for the cab instead.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lilflip21:
Can't wait for this to be completed... Thanks for the hard work!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] blink41:
Thanks for this amazing work !!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] M_Sanaii:
Great!

Can't wait to see the full results and the package/cab to put on my ROM... :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
Waiting for EXT package of M2.5 :)

ETA?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kamill:
Hi guys,

first of all, you're doing a great job, keep it up!

I've just installed the SUN rom with the new Manila 2.5, made an HR and... it's slow. Is it only me or does the Manila lag for everyone? I know it's made for the HTC Leo, which has the Snapdragon, but how does it work on our old Qualcomm processor?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] muttim86:
I do not know if you've seen the video I made, sure that the video is on PRO, Diamond has less RAM, but I think with some mod could go smooth, I have no chance to test all the rom for diamond, so I keep up to date on the thread of the ROM, and that's where you should write your question!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
RAM doesn't have importance on the smoothness of an application.

It's all related to CPU/GFX :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kamill:
Well, I did not mean to ask about the performance on the Diamond, just overally the comparison between the new Snapdragon and Qualcomm. I hope the future releases will be faster, I'll keep my fingers crossed for that.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maella:
Hello everyone, I'm from Spain, Zaragoza specifically, I'm trying to put my time in Zaragoza city but not out, I can do, thanks

Sorry about my English, use google translator
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
The performance from Snapdragon to MSM.... well... the Snapdragon is definitively faster compared to MSM7201A. I think that manila would be faster on Snapdragon than on MSM7201A....

However, I think it'll be as fast as other manila versions on our MSM7201A devices :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] setix:
that looks nice
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] HTCDiamond22:
can you add ur own animated wallpapers?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] labbbby:
I am curious as to which build of Manila 2.5 you are currently porting? 1919?

Also will you concentrate on a specific build or you will work on whatever becomes available.

Anyway good work guys! Keep it up =)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] belsj:
In the weathertab you have My Location. If you run the update it's looking for the nearest city, so Zaragoza will be found. Even the smallest cities are in the table. So you have the correct time AND weather info on your home tab.

In the current Roms WITH 2.5 you have to UNCHECK automatic update! otherwise it doesn't give any correct information.

PS my English is even worse :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] maella:
I've got it, thanks.

German is in Saragossa
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Soikiro:
how much ram eat this manila? like 2.1? more...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vader165:
friend, i can tell you, having used muttim's old 2.5 rom, there was never any need for me to check, because it ran smoothly and fine with several apps open. that is before this new one which should be EVEN better.:)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
So, any package or CAB?

Nothing of nothing?

We're waiting for about 1 month...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vader165:
on the raphael rom thread, muttim says they're working on perfection here, just some final polish on this thing, should be out by the weekend. :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] snowcraft22:
That sounds exciting! Can't wait to try it!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dwizzy130:
Is this an "on the record" statement?lol

dwizzy130
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kholk:
Are you sure about that?

I hope we'll have TF3D2.5 when I'll have to release a new version of my ROM :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] davidporter1010:
Will be ready for when the rom 6.5 SUN X MANILA 2.5 beta [WWE][DIAMOND][GSM] ???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vader165:
here is muttim's post, verbatim from the rom thread:

but I think that towards release next weekend the rom.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] erickjr_88:
manila 2.5!

Omg manila 2.5!!! so excited!!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] WenWM:
It isnt that great, I have it on the HD and its okay, Slow and not as good looking as regular, but i guess animated tab part is pretty cool
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
I must disagree! It IS VERY FAST at least on the Diam, but it needs much ram. And this is the main problem at the moment. The last time when I had no time to flash, it ran over 3 days at 85% without any soft reset on a rom with no much optimization. Of course I was not able to launch MANY apps at the same time, but Manila 2.5 ran all the time without lags and performace issues.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] GXFX:
What about the manila with twitter tab ?

bye!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vader165:
not going to lie, that's what i'm interested in. that, footprints and landscape. :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theclerk74:
I'm hoping that is something they are working on. Landscape. :) If I'm not mistaken, this hasn't even been implemented by HTC yet. If they can get that done before HTC, then I surely bow down before them! Maybe someone could clarify this a little more? I see all the things they have in the spreadsheet that says not yet implemented by HTC. I'm just not sure if those are things they are working on adding/fixing, or if they are just working on the parts that are currently available with what HTC has completed.

I would love to see it this weekend too, but I'm content to wait with my Manila 2.1. I have been dreaming about the day I see the thread title change from PRJ to REL

Sort of on subject... I would love to see a dedicated Facebook tab instead of the Twitter tab that I've been seeing.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dangerousp:
It's allready a real pain in the ass to get the HTC parts running correct in VGA, so I don't think they are going to develop landscape parts that don't excist.

I also haven't seen a Twitter tab, can you show me where it is?

I'm really looking forward and F5ing this topic :)

This in combination with the Yozgatg 6.1 kitchen will give a good memory management.. I'm sure!!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] supersobbie:
OK so there may not be landscape... but wasnt there a "Landscape only" release of manila that we can put together with this one and have it work? I am not sure it would work since it was for a 2.0 manila but it would be worth looking into. anyway Great work and I can not wait to see the new manila 2.5.

Thanks,

SoBBie
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] muttim86:
It might be feasible, indeed I am informing right to landascape all tab, I now speak with rest of the team, to see what to do from now on! but be patient and where do you want to pass the time, click on donate! :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theclerk74:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=562952 is NRGZ28's Blackstone ROM thread. His updates include an updated Social Networking engine, and Twitter tab. I couldn't say for a fact, but it looks like it's from HTC.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fb401:
It is. In the latest Leo dump there's PACKAGE_LEO_Manila_Twitter. The underlying engine is also present in the new Album 3.2. So unfortunately until a hacker gets their mitts on the code, it'll only be for twitter

BTW: I finally got around to downloading the 12aon & Hilaireg's Manila Kitchen and almost fainted at the amount of work and complexity that goes into decompiling and editing all of these files. My respect and order of aspirin go out to the team getting this together. WOW.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] theclerk74:
That's why I would never nag about when it might be ready. I will say that I am happy that Muttim and Sum CM Team are working together on it now. It's a pretty tall order for one person!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] vader165:
this thread needs to be stickied, these guys are keeping alive our devices. when it comes out, though.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] lemeiux1:
+1 for that, that stupid slide2send app that is never going to be developed is still stickied and not this?? cmon
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] :
Here are the Latest files, and Twitter is in there with Album and Social Networking. This is all I am going to share right now, so dont ask for the ROM or anything else at this time. You can use older Leo files and it will be fine, The manila files are there, and that is ALL you need to start decompiling and working on this,

Leo_Manila_2_5_1919_2828

MediaPicker

Album_Social_FTP
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
@ conflipper: Thank you very much! I'll look at that as far as we have a 100% working 1918 in _labs rom! I hope that they changed not too much ;)

@ all: we're close to a release of the first VGA roms. When we're done the Packages will be released as soon as possible.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] No1ustad:
@con: thanks for releasin the files! im sure the devs will take full advantage, wish i could help.

@kisja: anxiously awaiting the release of vga cdma rom!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] xep624:
Touch Pro Users

Hi guys,

first of all: Thanks! You're doing such a great job for us. Thank you, thank you, thank you!

I've got a question about the landscape: Is it possible to prevent manila from changing to landscape if you open the keyboard? Or, only allow it in music and pictures-tab?

thanks!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] muttim86:
So the first thing we're working on manila landascape, so you always have it running, but much work for that, and very little time!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] one80oneday:
Made a video of Manila 2.5 Full Screen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEDNmUYoNtY

Got ROM and files from here...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=562531

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=553529
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] muttim86:
:D is my rom! a lot has changed since then ... them was half work, now almost 100%, riomarrete amazed, especially the new full screen! :D

there will be surprises before long!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] loopyoyo:
can't wait!! RELEASE IT NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! J/K :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] HTCDiamond22:
soo waiting for dem .cab :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Krzysiec:
One question ... Is WM 6.5 required to run this port on diamond ? Or 6.1 is enough?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Kisja:
WM 6.5 is not needed. We're going to release a 6.5 and a 6.1 ROM
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Krzysiec:
Acctualy i`m cooking my own ROM (how U can see in signature ;) ) OEM is all what i need ;) Hope U`ll release it as well for WM 6.1 ? right ? ANYWAY ... GREEEAT WORK !!