yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
All other data things work fine. I am able to send and receive data and can surf the web.

Like I said. I have 3 bars of signal there.

When WiFi is on, it gets the tower info and sends it through WiFi to get My Location data just fine.

The only assumption that I am making is that when WiFi is on, it gets the tower location and is not using some location data available through my ISP.

I've been dealing with it since I first started flashing Sense Roms to my Fuze, which was a long time ago.

BigBadger was dealing with it then and has posted in this thread on it.

It's really not a big deal. The problem is unlikely to go away.

As far as I know, the My Location service needs cell towers to get your location and cannot get it from WiFi alone.

I will test this tonight. I will shut off phone and data and turn on WiFi 15 miles before I get home. If it gets my correct location, then I know it is getting it from my ISP. If it fails or gives me the location data for the city 15 miles away, then I know it is using cell tower information.

I have a very strong signal at home and never drop calls there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] apagliot:
I am on the Aug 4th Sense 2.5 23673 Standard ROM. Since I installed, I can't hear anybody on the phone while calling. But if I turn on the speakerphone I can hear people.

Does anybody have the same problem?

Does anyone know how to fix it?

Many thanks, great rom BTW!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jedah:
secure wifi connection

Is anyone else having a problem holding a secure WiFi network. When I punch in the password, it would connect for about a second, and then lose the connection. I tried WiFi Monster instead, and it just times out. I am using the 21911 Standard Sense Aug04 rom. The previous rom I used (6/26 21907 Standard Sense) connected just fine. Any suggestions?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Not sure why you have put that in bold, but I never suggested there was any problem in your signal quality. But My Location tries to use multiple towers, I believe, to work out where you are. So I was suggesting that there is just some sort of fluke about where exactly your house is located that makes it difficult for it to triangulate. Still a good signal, but perhaps an equally good signal from another tower too, and it's not sure which one you're at ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
The bold was because the reply to your post post from jlmwrite seemed to think it was because of a poor signal. Only bolded so it woud stand out to anyone else reading. No offense intended by it.

The fact that it gets the city exactly right, 100% of the time when I turn on WiFi leads me to believe that it has the needed data to know my location (longitude and latitdude) with a pretty high level of certainty. But, it cannot get the nice name and data for it through the AT&T network.

I will know more after work when I do the test by going to Comm Manager and shutting down Phone, Data, Direct Push, and 3G about 15 miles from home. Then turn on wifi when I am home.

Until I run that test, I am not going to post further on it, since I would just be guessing or speculating.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mark72501:
I would say this is a plausible explanation...and a correct use of the term 'fluke' as well! lol Anyway, as someone else pointed out previously, a page or more back, some towers seem to have difficulty in allowing a device to figure out the location. It's like the tower isn't passing the proper information along or something. I admit, as someone else did, that I don't understand it either but seeing this occasionally mentioned makes me believe this is the case. Hence why saying it is a fluke is quite possibly the best explanation.

I suppose it could also be that a specific feature or part of the system is "down" at this time on the tower(s) closest to you and, therefore, it can't do whatever it needs to do to tell your phone your location.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlmwrite:
From googlemobile.blogspot:

"We're happy to lift the covers and give you a peek into the inner workings of the Google location server, which powers the My Location feature.

Wireless phones can make and receive calls because they are connected over the air to a nearby cell tower. The phone knows the ID of the cell tower that it's currently using. If the phone has GPS, the Maps application on the phone sends the GPS coordinates along with the cell ID to the Google location server. Over millions of such updates, across multiple phones, carriers, and times, the server clusters the GPS updates corresponding to a particular cell ID to find their rough center. So when a phone without GPS needs its own location, the application on the phone queries the Google location server with the cell tower ID to translate that into a geographic location, i.e., lat/long coordinates. Nifty, huh? We think so."

(Source: http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2008/06/google-enables-location-aware.html
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Interesting, but I would respectfully suggest that it can't be quite right, and they've over-simplified it. If it used only one cell ID, then it would know roughly what part of town you are in. But if I don't have GPS turned on, Google Maps gets pretty close to where I am. I still think it uses triangulation, i.e. it does what it says above with multiple signals, to work out which set of cell towers you are near, then it can put you roughly in the middle of those towers. Otherwise it would be much more inaccurate.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
GPS issue

I have aGPS turned on right now. I've tried getting a signal with it on and off. I also tried using the QuickGPS app. I've used the HTC GPSTool, ChartCross GPSTest, and Google Maps. None of them can get a fix. The only reason I really don't want to switch radios is that this one (4.49.25.91) seems significantly more zippy than the others I've used. It does appear, however, that I'll have to switch for this version of the ROM. I just realized that there is a newer ROM version. I'll give that a shot first and flash another radio if it doesn't help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
How long have you waited for a lock ? Sorry if I'm insulting your intelligence here, but you're somewhere that should be able to see the satellites, right, e.g. out in the open, not stuck right between tall buildings or in the middle of a building ?

Why did you say the bit in bold, i.e. that you'll have to switch radios ? Maybe I misunderstood you there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Avatar28:
Regarding the location thing with Google Maps; do you guys remember the whole brouhaha several weeks ago about how the Google Streeview cars were collecting wifi data by mistake? The whole idea is that as the streetview cars are driving around, they are also doing a bit of wardriving, collecting the network information and more or less exact coordinates of the various wifi networks that show up as they drive around.

Given that, it seems rather likely that when you turn on wifi and it connects to the Google location server, it cross references whatever tower information it can with your wifi network to get your exact location. One good way to test this might be to change your network's SSID temporarily before you run your test of putting your phone into airplane mode 15 miles from home. I would probably turn the phone off before you do all that, though, just to make sure it doesn't get a chance to phone home and update any of that ssid information.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drtolson:
I too, just downloaded and installed the Aug 4 CHT 23673 version and am hung at the 'loading HTC Sense' screen. Yup, I did the Task 29 and HR.

I'm going to try another download and see if that gets me working again.

Edit ( an hour later)...hmmm, it finally seems to have gotten past that point and actually loaded the CHT version of Sense. Strange, I've never seen it take that long before. Have to do some more checking...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I've used all of them with EnergyROMs, and I can say for sure, *.91 was probably the worst radio as far as GPS lock goes. *.77 was far better and *.94/95 are just as good. I'm only on *.94 because the signal inside my house is better with it.

Keys to getting quick lock are:

1) Make sure you have AGPS settings in registry setup properly. Just "turning it on" doesn't ensure this.

2) Get to an outside/strong GPS signal area and just run HTC GPSTool until it cycles the 3D lock 2 or 3 times.

After that, TomTom, Bing, and/or GoogleMaps lock on almost instantly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
You mean straight after the flash ? Try tapping on the screen, and see if that makes it continue.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlmwrite:
I'm no expert on cell communications, and I agree the engineer that posted the article I quoted probably did oversimplify things a bit, but...

Triangulation is an older method but more accurate of what are loosely termed location services. I think what most of us receive nowadays are a combination of cellular IDs and signal strength (ie: uplink time-difference of arrival from a base station or even better the time of arrival from a base station) that can approximate your position. I'd be interested if there as an AT&T engineer lurking that better understands the mobile location services based on ALI technology that has been is use on their networks for the past 8 years or so.

What I do know for sure is that there a buttload of methods for multilateration/hyperbolic positioning -- and I don't have a clue for sure what My Location actually uses!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
There is something different about 8/4 release though. For instance, with 7/24 and earlier 6.5.3/6.5.5 releases, I could OC at startup with no built in delay and have no issues. However, with the 8/4 release, I would get random freezes at startup if I just OC'd directly. But, after delaying the OC at startup to 2 minutes, phone boots up perfectly everytime now.

So, I guess what I'm saying is something did change with how the ROM loads, but from my perspective, my problems were self-induced more than anything else.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmalka:
Besides the suggestions already posted here, I would suggest you check your SD card. An easy way is to remove the card and restart the phone. If Sense loads, then the card is the problem. The FAQ points the solutions.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] prisoner881:
GPS and Bing

While you guys are on the subject of GPS and Google Maps, I'll re-raise a question I asked a week or so ago that never got answered: has anyone else noted that Bing won't start up the GPS on its own? I have to start GPSTool first, have it get a lock, *then* start Bing, otherwise no worky.

Just so folks know, this has been the case ever since Bing first appeared in NRG's ROM's. I have Bing set up to use GPS, and it's set to use the "Windows Intermediate Driver" thing for GPS, *not* a specific COM port. This is how Google Maps is set up (by default in NRG ROM's) and Google Maps *does* automatically start the GPS.

As much as I love Google Maps, I've become addicted to Bing's free turn-by-turn nav service. Google Maps offers no such option except on Android, so I've started using Bing pretty exclusively for navigating. Having to start up GPSTool first every time is a PITA and I'd love to know if anyone else is having success in using Bing and GPS together harmoniously.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drtolson:
I'm not using the SD card for any part of the load -- I loaded using Activesync from my PC. And I'm not doing any XC stuff, so I don't thing the card is to blame.

HOWEVER, that said, I'll continue doing some digging to see what I can find.

Thanks for the suggestions all.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
Google maps only gets GPS if the user turns it on; I believe it is disabled by default. I always make sure it is off, because the GPS uses more battery.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I do not have this problem. In fact, just the other day, we thought of a restaurant to hit up while we were out in the middle of nowhere, so we fired Bing up, did a voice search, and were on our way instantly.

Are you sure your AGPS is setup correctly?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
No problems here with my WPA2-encrypted connection. I'm using 23673 Standard Aug 4th. I sometimes wish the Wifi reception on the Rhodium were stronger without having to open the keyboard to optimise wifi signal, but hey :)

I would:

1) Check the encryption key has been input correctly. Often it's case-sensitive. You can try to 'forget' the network and re-enter it. To avoid typing errors, these days I just use a provisioning xml file to put all the details in automatically when I flash.

2) Check the WiFi router. Has it the configuration settings been changed at all? Can other devices connect to it OK? Does it have MAC filtering enabled?

3) Check whether anything installed might interfere with the Wifi. Is there anything new? There are some general troubleshooting steps outlined in the FAQ that might help.

Sorry if you've done all these things already.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
OC ? Sorry if I'm just being slow, but I can't work out what that is ? :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Problems with SD cards (e.g. corrupted folders, damaged file systems) can cause hangs even if you're not flashing from the SD card. So it is worth checking. Certainly it's easy just to take out your SD card for the flash if you're not flashing from SD (that's what I do). Some say they flash fine with their SD card in, and that's fair enough too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Overclock. Not for the faint-hearted ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
Maybe it is OverClock. I'm overclocking mine to 642Mhz. There is an application over on the "Overclock Bounty" thread on the General forum named "OC". It seems to work pretty well.

EDIT: Sorry, that is the "Accessories" forum:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=698374

The actual application is here (v 1.2)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=7463284&postcount=162
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chrislynch:
I too have seen this problem. It is a hit or miss with BING. I have seen where BING does not get a GPS lock, I then start up Google Maps and it gets a lock. Then I switch back to BING, and mysteriously, it gets a lock. I do not know why that happens. I have chalked it up to BING being slower to getting a GPS lock than Google Maps. I have both aGPS and Quick GPS enabled. aGPS is pointing to Googles SUPL servers, and not the default (which has to be changed in the registry.)

I hope with WP7 this does not happen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Trezona:
Energy.RHODIUM.21911.Sense2.5.Cookie.Aug.06 is available guys :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Yup, never had issues with Bing & GPS. Use bing all the time - jump into a car and start the navigation on the go. Very useful.. (BTW, just curious how does everyone save their Bing Favorites? I copy the files out during my auto save/restore and that works just fine).

Regarding the aGPS/lock conversation, I'm also on AT&T. After I flash a new ROM, as part of the auto setup (using SASHIMI), I install eras2r's AT&T aGPS fix/cab and change the registry for QuickGPS to download OTA. By the time, the other scripts complete, QuickGPS downloads the latest location info. Sashimi resets after the auto portion is complete and when it comes back, Bing is one of the first apps I start (Bing or Google Maps). The GPS lock is very fast in either case.

@JVH3, Congrats on the new Tilt2. I'm also still on the original Tilt2 radio - it just works and is the best among all the ones mentioned on the Radio thread, including the new AT&T radio. Bing is pretty finicky regarding the radio connection and the old radio keeps it most happy..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
I just checked mine, and Bing brought up the correct GPS location. But it took a couple of minutes to lock in the Satellites.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chrislynch:
I have found that the newest AT&T radio makes BING happier for me. I am on AT&T in the US, in SoCal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Was this your first time? I'm also in socal and I lock in a few seconds 15 or so max. Also, how long did it take for your Data connection (H or E) to connect? Bing needs this before it will attempt to do the location lock..

@chrislynch : Interesting. I just went back to the old radio after spending 4 days on the new radio. I was seeing Bing crash, which I never saw on the old radio after the Bing update (to 6280)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chrislynch:
I hope NRG will post the updated Change Log for Aug6, as he appears to be uploading them now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
It was the first time I've used GPS on this ROM release.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
Me too, although I generally burn away, regardless of the change log!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
Wow, these new ROMs are significantly smaller than the last release - about 7 Mb of compressed space for the CHT version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] robseargeant:
This may be somewhat off topic but it was discussed in length here several hundred pages ago. In-Call Recording was not working to save in compressed or to card in the early July ROMs. I haven't seen any reports since then. So first...is it working now?

Also, why is there no cab for this for Rhodiums? I have literally spent hours looking because I simply do not want ACR. Cooks seem to get it successfully functional on the Rhodium at times but no cab!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
Found a couple of cabs in this thread, I haven't tried them:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=746462
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] robseargeant:
Yes, I was the OP for that thread. There are several other threads on it as well. It is some kind of Easter Island mystery. Everyone always links other cabs that either record every call, or don't have the functions you want.

I also hammered the HD2 boards, the cab for it there will not install successfully.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
There was a release or 2 that NRGZ28 did not cook it into the raphael. I searched quite extensively. Everything I found led me to the conclusion that it needed to be cooked in.

It appears that ICR is installed, but not enabled. The Record and Stop Recording menu options are not ICR. But the ICR app is in Start->Multimedia.

I verified that HKLM\Software\Phone\EnableICR is set to 1, so it should be enabled.

In the past when ICR was manually installed, the ICR app did not work, but it would record calls. So, maybe this time it can be installed.

The link you provided is to a thread that he started that only has 7 posts and he responded to all posts with attachments. Did you mean to post a different link?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
Nope, I should have read him as the OP! My mistake...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Link to Leo EnergyROM changelog - the Rhodium one normally reflects this: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=6415996&postcount=4
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bons:
+1 Not working on my TP2 either. It says "Contacting Server", makes three attemps and then states: "XDApp seems to be having difficulty connecting ... "

I have a working internet connection allright.

Off topic of course ... We'll need to address this in http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7539383#post7539383 (already did).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] richabi:
Aug 6th ROM

I downloaded cookie 23xxx aug 6th about 30 minutes ago. Will flash soon. Just wanted to let you guys know it is up. Hopefully it fixes the reception issue amongst other reported problems.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
The HTC In-Call Recorder is very dependent on the dialer that's used. NRGZ seems to change the dialer every so often, so that probably accounts for how it works on some versions of his ROMs, only to not work again after an update.

So my guess is that these cabs you're finding will work for some but not others simply because people don't really check which dialer version they've got. :o

Edit - and the answer to your first question is no, it's not working on the Aug 4th 23673 Standard ROM. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hasbrone:
Hi Guys.

Install the Android TaskBar v6, but I have this detail with the Icon of the Line 1 ...

Example:

Anyone know how to fix this.

In addition, as do a test with the keyboard and it seems that the keys FN, Shift and OK, are directions...

Example:

Rename the file eT9.Rhodium.Cingular_US.kmap.txt to eT9.Rhodium.wwe.kmap, put it in a CAB and install it...all the keys work OK, until the combination of FN + key, only the keys FN, Shift and OK do not change.

FN = Shift

Shift = CTRL

OK = FN

Anyone know how to fix this.

THANK YOU.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] robseargeant:
Interesting, so if I found a compatible dialer it would be feasible to switch to that it and then install the HD2 cab?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Rhodium Changelog updated:

Interesting, it seems to sport the new 2017 build of Manila. :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JVH3:
It looks like everything for it is already installed.

And the registry entry to enable it is even set: HKLM\Software\HTC\Phone\EnableICR

So, I think you would just need to change the dialer.

I would try that first before installing a potentially different version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
I really don't know!! :o

Edit: For anyone else who sees a Record menu item and is confused by this, HTC ICR is working if you see a "Start Recording" menu item near the bottom of the menu in the dialer. The "Record" menu item that does work across most ROMs is the 'native' WM call recorder - this only saves .wav files in the My Documents\Notes folder on the device itself.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Aug 4 fixed the "2 bar" issue ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Thanks guys. I'd heard of/seen the overclocking, just couldn't place the abbreviation ! :D

I'm not brave enough to try it though :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stevedebi:
There are two different applications out there.

The Netripper program can change the clock speed up past 800, but one has to install scripts to move the speed back to 604 before unlocking the device.

The "OC" application can overclock only to 652Mhz, but there are no scripts involved.

I've been using the "OC" program for a couple of days now with no negative effects that I can see.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] gothic_angel:
im using dinik glass theme... when i tried putting a lock code it didnt work properly.. it asks for the password but when u hit the unlock button nothing happens... so i have to hard reset on my phone... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigWopHH:
Just pinged NRG via Twitter. Just an FYI. There are a handful of apps "missing" from the 23673 / CHT / Aug 6 ROM. (Bing, Facebook, Palringo, etc.) No big deal to install them manually, just letting everyone know. It may be by design.