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[G1 Android Development] kid_a24:
whoa whoa whoa...did any of you actually even read the specifics of that cease and desist order? google is not trying to shut down cyanogen's ROM. they want him to stop using google-specific apps because they are not open-source. i think the main reason why they sent him that order is because he included the new v1.6 market app in one of his latest updates...BEFORE they were able to release it themselves. if i developed something, and another person got a hand on it and released it before i could be able to, i would do something about it too. market is a close-source google app...they have every right to it. they just don't want someone else to release it before they do.

i'm using cyan's mod and i love it so i fully support him. i'm just saying that we should wait and see how this will play out before we compare google to apple. if google wanted to stop cyanogen...or any other devs...they would've done so a loooong time ago.
[G1 Android Development] Ryanmo5:
The market is closed source meaning cyanogen is in the wrong for using, redistributing and modifying it, plain and simple. From what it sounds like no rom maker is in danger of anything, google simply asked him to hault using market app. So he can't make a better market what's the big deal and why do we need an entire thread about this garbage? I love cyanogen's work don't get me wrong he has done wonders for android, but all this over a market app, stupid!
[G1 Android Development] Marine6680:
I knew google was just like every other company, ;) they may have a bit more open model, but ultimately they want to make money.

If they simply want the google apps removed from his (or anyone else's) ROMs then they need to have them in the market so we can use them.

I think, one of the problem is that people are modding the apps themselves, like the browser.

To those that think google has the right to complain... you are right, but that does not mean they have to be an a** about it. A friendly "hey can you stop Blah blah blah?" not an official cease and desist, unless he ignored the first request. If they are willing to work with him on this issue, then it can be a good outcome after all. But if they strong arm him, or don't provide the apps in the market for custom ROM users to download (no market or browser effectively kills a good bit of functionality and will force many back to official builds) that means they are not serious about true open source. (by stunting all versions but there own)
[G1 Android Development] blueheeler:
You sir, need to read about the C&D presented to Cyanogen. It is far more inclusive than just the Market and market apps.
[G1 Android Development] rayberto:
Google is now Evil

How freaking stupid is this. Google if you go through with this, I am pulling everything. Our company uses Google apps, I am getting rid of my Android and I just switched over to Bing.com.

What happened to don't be evil. Everyone, speak up, everywhere you can. Let Google know how you feel.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
[G1 Android Development] :
if its all the market, just kill it and move on... CYAN enlighten us, what else google wants?
[G1 Android Development] PlatinumMOTO:
We don't need google apps we'll use their competitors instead, market is the only one we may need a dev for but come on let's be honest as many as we have here one of them could be able to put together a better app than market with way more features. We can use k9 for mail and twitter apps instead of Gtalk, maps we could use something else perhaps a 3rd party gps or sherpa or something we can figure it out. Until then we should just wait and see the specifics of what Cy says google's argument is if it's those we have the devs here that can create better apps than google it's been proven by Cy himself.
[G1 Android Development] blueheeler:
That seems to be a very logical point.

Hummm.
[G1 Android Development] Adolflow:
Seriously, all the new market had was a new look.. it's not like it had new functionality
[G1 Android Development] cacahahacaca:
At least you can get Maps from the Market. Then again, you would need a Market substitute to download apps from the Market :P

http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.google.android.apps.maps
[G1 Android Development] saenz4931:
GOOGLE is going crazy!

Since I rooted my G1 I had been uusing cyanogenMod roms, and I don't think will ever go back to a stock G! Or any stock phone.

I think Google should hired Cyanogen to develo their phones rom insted as his work in my oppinion has improved G1 to the limits and still making this phone the best.
[G1 Android Development] Adolflow:
Honestly I hope Google sees reason and stops trying to keep their proprietary apps closed source. I could see how they would want the monetary part of the transactions that happen on the market secure, but I have an ADP and don't even see paid apps at all. Mods like CM are pretty much the best thing android has going for it, and the tight integration with Google's cloud is something Google should be cultivating. Mods are pretty much the last thing keeping me from being lured to the iphone by apple's itunes integration.
[G1 Android Development] drpfenderson:
Guys, please head over to the thread for the Save CyanogenMod app and DOWNLOAD IT! It will do a heck of a lot more to get Google's attention than just posting in a poll in some obscure dev forum.

Think about it this way: Google makes $$$ from the Market. Devs make $$$ from the Market. Without market, Android is sh*t.

Google sees downloads. Google notices thousands of downloads in the first night...and TONS of pro-Cyanogen comments. Much better than some poll in an obscure development forum, or a petition on some free petition website they will never see.

Direct action = better action

Even the Big Man himself supports me on this. ;)

So,

DOWNLOAD IT
[G1 Android Development] phatmanxxl:
guess I better root and flash my mt3g while I still can
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Hey

i was informed by Cyan that for market we could replace with slideme.org but a big problem we have run into is the closed source setup app and the check in apps to even get into the phone and also effects our syncing all this is a little more explained in the Open Android Alliance thread
[G1 Android Development] kid_a24:
yes you should :)
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
I do agree direct action is better action and all this is true other then the Google makes money on the market IIRC google makes nothing on market purchases...

still more effective tho.
[G1 Android Development] Abbens:
this is some ****ing bull****!. They all said when the g1 was for sale that the user could do anything. And you still cannot put apps on the sd without root. Google has some ****ing nerve!
[G1 Android Development] ultma75:
Google..... wtf! Are u serious lol this man saved ur dam phone with his custom roms. If y'all actually made better roms and better features then cyanogen doesn't have to make your phone better for yall. So google a big F U and your phone if y'all want to keep this **** up.
[G1 Android Development] benmyers2941:
This story is now up on Engadget and Gizmodo, so that's pretty much the "national news" for the gadget geek world
[G1 Android Development] gbs.ben:
Google, make better roms of yourself rather than limite devs to make better roms!
[G1 Android Development] drpfenderson:
They charge developers for license to release apps.

Less Open-Source developers = less money
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
C'mon people do you actually understand what is happening? I think there is a common misconception going around about the actual open "sourceness" of android, people are thinking that google gave cyan a cease and desist because of his rom modding which isnt true, he was served with it because of the inclusion of googles apps in his roms e.g, maps/etc. These are not open source, and therefore have copyrights on them. Google has every right to protect THEIR apps. Last time i checked their wasnt anything on maps.google.com that says its open source. Android itself is and hopefully will always be open source, but as far the thing with cyan goes, the open "sourceness" hasnt been threatend. yet. lol
[G1 Android Development] Capper5016:
I meant to vote "YES" but evidently hit the wrong button......anyway to correct this?
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
that's right slipped my mind

Yea everyone is starting to understand eventually ;P jk
[G1 Android Development] coudu:
being able to "customize" our devices is one of the better thing in Android.

If it is not possible anymore I think google will sell less devices and personnaly I would stop using google services if I don't own an Android device I can customize the way I want to... :(
[G1 Android Development] |Logic|:
1. I agree

2. giddy-up!
[G1 Android Development] ohwut:
It's interesting to see Google following Cyanogens developments and implementing them in Offical builds, then blackballing him on a not-for-profit redistribution of items that are designed to give free access to free services. It's not like he's reverse engineering everything, modifying the hell out of it and releasing them for any amount of profit, all these Applications"are also freely available online in some capacity from web portals to Google maps and gmail, am I going to end up with a cease and desist order next for burning Google earth and giving it to a friend? After all thats a free application that's closed source.

Simply, Google is definitely well within their bounds legally and morally to issue these letters towards Cyanogen as well as any other developer, I especially agree with most of them, especially the Hero dev's who give absolutely no credit to HTC when all they do is a few modifications and re-release something.

Cyanogen is in a completely different boat, and Google should be slightly more lenient with his actions, the fact they create a "Open Source" software, but then makes certain parts that are iconic to the software and in some cases required, then what is the point of making any parts of it at any level open source, if to change any of them and re-release is automatically something wrong. Not only has Cyanogen driven the android community further forward than anyone outside Google, HTC, or Motorola, he has also influenced all future releases of the Android OPEN SOURCE community project.

Now I have no problem if Google wants to withhold these programs, but the fact that to this date no one without the proper software licensees can use the programs Cyanogen is using I don't see what the problem is. Perhaps Google could just make them part of the Sync process, once our devices are set up with our Google account go ahead and download them to our device so they are the sole distributor.

I have no idea why I typed so much, but I'd just hate to see a company I've put so much faith in as a internet group that is actually in touch with the community turn into the next RIAA. For now personally I'm going back to Bing, Hosted Exchange, and my HTC Raphael.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Yes.

More yes.

Again yes.

Indeed

/signed
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
what cant we customize on the device? as far as i know you can choose what you want to do with your phone. Your talking about distributing work that someone else did not you, afaik you dont/shouldnt have any right to "customize/change" any part of their software
[G1 Android Development] RandumAccess:
SO what if we all downloaded the @cyanogen experimental Rom and posted it as our own to **** with google??? whos with me??? LOL
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
How do you guys think google feels, they provide us with this great open source operating system yet people always find something to complain about, if you dont want google maps you dont have to have it, thats part of the beauty of it. Google maps acts independently from android so they dont carry the same copyrights, stop *****ing and realize whats actually happening.
[G1 Android Development] s15274n:
Can the petition app be added to CM updater? It needs more downloads and most of us rely on :shock face: cyanogen to get awesome updates. People will have more exposure through there.

Shame on you google. They should have known this would get national attention.... as i am sure it will.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
while it is a good idea (and funny as hell) Google is still the parent of android, I mean its like if u were to pull something (in a sense) like this on ur parents (if u lived with them) they would turn around and punish you some other way. follow me? Google is a big corporation and while they do have the grounds they are also being a little contradictory at the least, but i don't think it would be wise to fight with Google i think cyan has the same idea here that's why he is trying to work it out peacefully...

My $.02
[G1 Android Development] jubeh:
The problem here is Google's IP. Market, Google Voice, Maps, and whatever else is not part of the AOSP project is then intellectual property only to be distributed by the copyright holders. It's the same reason why you can't re-distribute quickoffice, or shouldn't be re-packing hero, or rogers, or anything that's not specifically open source. It sucks, yeah, but that's the law (at least here in the states). I don't see how distributing purely open sourced material kill the deal, though. Cyanogen is still very much able to distribute his AOSP roms as he sees fit and as long as he passes along the license (and source, and he has) for the parts he used, and the apps that he's packing (and shouldn't be) are just icing on the cake, what makes Cyanogen's roms great is the work he's been doing at making them better, no any certain killer app.

I say Cyanogen (and XDA in general) should see about removing non-open sourced or mis-licensed material from the site, otherwise we could lose this venue too. There's still a lot of good work to be done (we could make roms and then include instructions to pull your Google-owned apps from your build and install them yourself on a custom build that works better than the stock google one).

---edit---

Also, Google has nothing, absolutely nothing to say about devices being able to be rooted or not, wether SPLS can flash test-signed or unsigned images, nothing about recovery or radio, or any other hardware files. Those calls are by HTC and the companies that supply chips and parts for it's devices, and whatever telephone carrier you might be subscribed to and if they subsidized your device. I suggest you try to learn how to make an android build. You can compile a build that won't work without the closed-source binaries. The binaries are available at HTC's website, but it's implied that you own the device and the right to use the binaries, so I don't think those can be distributed either (maybe I'm wrong about this, because there's a license that comes with them and you can view it in your rom).
[G1 Android Development] drpfenderson:
Of course people understand this.

But it doesn't make it any less ridiculous.

But, he is developing SOLELY for the Google Experience devices. Which already come with those apps - right? So, what do they have to complain about? The new Market seems to have been the trigger...but everyone is getting it soon no matter what...so it still doesn't really make sense on the ****storm balancing-act side.
[G1 Android Development] digital_exhaust:
Long time lurker, first post.

Feel compelled to at least vote.
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
it isnt ridiculous, im sure if you went throught the imense time and money it took to develop google maps you wouldnt think it would be very much to ask that people do not distribute it, its copyrighted. Just because people dont read all the terms and conditions dont mean their not there.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
It's good that you didn't post; xda-dev needs a lot less of that kind of ignorant BS.

Please folks,

if you don't know the fact that open source and closed source proprietary software can coexist in the same distribution package then please don't post.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Hey man i respect u alot man, and yes its xda-devs but it is hard for normal users to understand the difference all we heard was Google telling us we could do what we want man
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
halle-fuken-lujah, lol
[G1 Android Development] im.l0ltn:
Agreed. People need to understand that even though android is open source, Google apps are not. Google can take any action it wants.

But this move by Google totally go against their "Don't be evil" slogan and I'm disappointed in Google.
[G1 Android Development] drpfenderson:
He's not "Distributing" it. The people who are getting it already have it.
[G1 Android Development] zelipukin:
I had a long experience with Treo(Palm OS) right from the very first 180 till 680. We (palm users) never had such stupid situations. We could do anything with our devices like play any av files (no BS "this device supports only mp3/mp4). updates that bricks you unlocked phone ? what ??? for every ****ty stock app we had descent replacements + tons of free and paid programs. I dont remember how stock palm desktop looks like, those ZLauncher, silverscreen were just amazing. We could do many things (internet, MMS, av recording, IM etc..) long before other phone users can imagine.

And you know what ? I dont know if Palm is "open source" or "close source"

I just DONT CARE just because I could get anything I need from my phone without any stupid problems.

I moved to Android because Palm is dead(or killed?)I thought Android is kinda Palm reincarnation with more possibilities like wifi and big screen

And it is, with cyanogenmod of course. I was going to sell my G1 on second day of use but found those amazing custom roms that make candy from stock POS. people who can make candy from **** deserve more than "cease and desist". If he wants to be a millionare - Google, hire him. if not just leave him alone
[G1 Android Development] Binary100100:
So far we have 13 morons that voted No.

I would like to hear why.
[G1 Android Development] jjcd51590:
Cause its WRONG :rolleyes:
[G1 Android Development] JoshHart:
Since Google is mad about distributing its closed source software I'm betting a lot of money that this has to do with all the news about Cyanogen releasing the new market early. I think the debate is going to center around that kind of philosophy that they don't want things released early. I run Cyanogen on my MyTouch and my G1 and I love it. I really do hope Google doesn't turn into Apple, the reason I bought the G1 was for development and Google really should have been more specific about what they were targeting or he was supposed to do to change his roms because this is really bad press for Google in my opinion. I mean the basis of their whole ad campaign thus far has been focused on the Open Source community which is obviously going to be full of people waiting to port and hack so I'm not sure what they were expecting. But I do know if rom developers are pushed out of the game Android is going to take a huge hit. At any given time of day when I look on XDA-Dev board with the most viewers is always the Dream followed by the Sapphire so obviously the people purchasing these devices are buying huge into the "make it your own" advertising Google's been doing. I'm not sure how they thought this was a good idea without some kind of public statement. I'll definitely wait to see what Google has to say before I jump ship or anything crazy, but I'm hating the sound of all this.
[G1 Android Development] im.l0ltn:
Maybe they're part of the Google legal department. lol
[G1 Android Development] The_Chrome_Coyote:
Im not a licensing lawyer, but from what I understand of application licenses in general is that the End user has the rights to reinstall the software as many times as they want, so long as its active on only 1 system at a time (thought certain licenses allow for multi-system activations).

As users, we arent in the wrong, or doing anything with our device that "google doesnt like" what they are objecting to is Cyanogen distributing these applications without the license to do so.

This could be solved as easily as cyanogen having to pay a licensing re distribution fee... something Im sure the majority of the 30,000 users of his ROMs would gladly donate for.
[G1 Android Development] Binary100100:
How so? What are you doing on this forum if you honestly believe that what Cyanogen is doing is wrong?
[G1 Android Development] The_Chrome_Coyote:
damn double post
[G1 Android Development] digital_exhaust:
Alright... sorry:(

I'm new to all of this, I recently bought a G1. I did my research , rooted my phone, played around and really dig Cyanogen's work. Just got a little reactionary, that's all. I'm pretty sure everyone who has ever posted on a forum anywhere has done the same at some point....

Didn't mean to come across as an ass, and certainly didn't mean to piss anyone off with my first post here.

Regardless... great forum, I have learned a lot reading through some of the threads here..
[G1 Android Development] DavidChill:
FREE CYANOGEN

Fight Google oppression!
[G1 Android Development] im.l0ltn:
I don't think he was being serious and most of those "No" are probably from trolls.
[G1 Android Development] Jamison904:
there are now 14... and I think there are 14 people who need to be banned. just me 2 cents.

also Cayn my buddy, who needs an interview when you have PR like this? { hey google give the man a GOOD JOB and problem solved.}

$80,000+ per year or no deal
[G1 Android Development] adelco93:
distribution is a copyright, it states that you do not have the rights to distribute an aurhors work in public without their permission, isnt that what he did or am i mistaken?
[G1 Android Development] theartar:
Downloaded the app & signed.

Here's to hoping this all gets resolved swiftly.
[G1 Android Development] Binary100100:
If Google gets their way with this **** then it's going to upset a lot of users. There are a lot of Google phones that are planned to come out and if Google is going to just end up being the next Apple then they are going to lose a lot of supporters. They are only shooting themselves in the foot by doing this.

Anyway if Google gets their way then I'm selling my Google stock and moving back to WinMo.
[G1 Android Development] Loccy:
Am I missing something, or does this not have to be a big deal? At least for CyanMod.

Pull the apps from the rom. Include a script that'll back them up from your current stock rom, and restore them post install of CM. Job done. As Cyan has already said, he's developing for Google branded devices anyway, the destination devices for his software are all licenced for their apps. The issue is one of redistribution. If he doesn't include the binaries, only a means of retrieving them, he can't be touched.
[G1 Android Development] :
This is complete *******! Android was supposed to be open source and free, first they removed apps from the market, now this? I hate google.
[G1 Android Development] jmon777:
so basicaly they are saying he was giving stuff away that was already free? and guess if it came down to it. could we not install os, then push apks? i dont see how any of this is hurting Google at all. and honestly how is one man rolling out 3 or 4 updates a week and Google is lucky if they make one minor change every 3 months? i mean come one this one the largest company's in the world they should be coming out with more patches and more updates.
[G1 Android Development] theartar:
This is the solution I hope happens (if Google doesn't back down from the C&D).
[G1 Android Development] XxKOLOHExX:
If this plays out with google as victorious then most of the devs that develope for android (roms and themes) will probabl be taken away. Most of all the roms to date have googles apps defaulted and seeing that the themes you can get depend on the rom, and if the rom cant be made, then the themes are nothing.

i would think that google out of all people would love free publicity. If google wants people to use there "free" resources (i.e Gmail, google maps, and etc) i would think that it wouldnt be a problem. Key word ***"Free"***