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[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Hmm, correct me if I'm wrong, but if the Leo is winning in reading/writing files, then that means it has faster RAM, correct? If the TG01/Acer F1 is winning in graphical benchmarks, but they're all using the same CPU/GPU, then it seems more likely to me that it may be more of an issue of software optimization than anything else. After all, it has been noted before how newer HTC devices seem to perform better despite using the exact same hardware.

I don't see how the TF3D can be so resource hungry as to affect the graphics benchmarks so significantly.

This is one of the reasons why I wish smartphone benchmarks were as common as PC benchmarks, so that we are more able to accurately measure the power of a particular hardware. I know that the Hummingbird is Samsung's version of an improved Cortex A8, but the trouble is that I don't know how well the Cortex A8 performs against the Snapdragon.

Currently, it is my understand that Mhz for Mhz, the Cortex A8 and Snapdragon are roughly equal, which should mean that Samsung's Hummingbird processor should be every bit as powerful as the Snapdragon, and its real world performance will largely be decided by drivers/OS.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
The Scorpion core in Snapdragon is roughly 5% faster than standard Cortex A8, and on top of that much more energy efficient. Hummingbird is also supposed to be faster and more energy efficient than standard Cortex A8, but I don't know by how much. It may be faster equal to or slower than Snapdragon.
[HD2 General] br3nt:
+2 on that :p

the waiting is killing me, both for the Leo and to get my own D2 back from repair shop (who the hell uses 2 screens and tightens them up) LoL

he who lives shall see :)
[HD2 General] Madcypher:
I searched the thread...

What are the video RECORDING capabilities (res, frame rate, bit rate)???

Inquiring minds wanna know.

Thanks.
[HD2 General] mojohio:
This is killing me. While I sit here waiting for AT&T's butchered Tilt2 to be released, 2 months after everyone else has released theirs, I am told at the local AT&T store that they are going to be releasing a new phone called the "Pure" http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/22/is-this-atandts-htc-pure-clad-in-shimmering-magenta/ I mentioned that I would wait to see what the Tilt2 looked like, but I've really got my eyes on the HTC Leo at this point- I've waited this long for the Tilt2. He acted like the Pure was the best phone ever created. I'm beginning to think there is absolutely ZERO chance that AT&T is going to ever realease the Leo because they are so far behind the game with the Tilt2 and now their precious Pure coming out. Not to mention, the Leo would be taking away many customers from going after the iphone. If I can score this phone on another US network......."So long, AT&T. It's been nice knowing ya."
[HD2 General] galaxys:
^Agree, I shelved getting the tmob tp2. And I will try to get the Leo unlocked as soon as I can. Then use it with tmob Edge and WiFi (not going to wait for 3g version, since it will never happen in the states)!
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
AT&T still has an exclusivity deal on the iPhones? Wow. O2's is ending in the UK, which is why they're releasing the Pre and HD2 in the next month.

BTW, one of my friends has managed to acquire one of those O2 brochures with the HD2 in it (I tried to too, but the store I tried had run out of brochures, so I'm trying two different stores tomorrow). The brochure says that the HD2 will be "available on a range of Pay Monthly tariffs" and advises readers to "ask in-store for the latest prices". So, no real information (other than what was leaked yesterday) on price or specs.
[HD2 General] Laos101:
Is your device GSM? Also, any idea on the possibility of CDMA?
[HD2 General] quicksite:
You are nothing more than annoying. And you've chosen your username wisely as you've sprayed enough poison for one thread. Absolutely, a right to express your opinion or anything else. But you've done so, we all get it (when is big big enough), and everything since then is sophomoric. Why not be gracious enough to allow people to enjoy discussing what they like about this phone. Additional posts about size add no value.
[HD2 General] lude219:
He's a real troll. I'm really sick and tired of people have nothing constructive to say other than to troll a thread and complaining about size and the lack of a physical keyboard. It's like a broken record...

I mean, for ****'s sake, at least ask what's relevant. HTC is not going back to the drawing board just because your hands are too small for a +4in screen.

Anyway bel3rforte, I was the one asking about the memory usage. Thank you for remembering =)

Can't wait to see more pix and video! =)
[HD2 General] dugald5:
http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news5120.html
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Waiting for more information

This maybe is just a wrong assumption, but didn't anybody get the feeling that Belerforte (sorry if I'm spelling it wrong) might just be hyping the HD2. Like a publicity stunt or something. Don't take this negatively, I really believe that he has his hands on the phone. But I find the information that's getting out timewise a little suspicious. He said that at the end of the week we'll be getting some additional information. Isn't that a bit convenient, before the supposed announcement we get more information. Anyways, hope that no one is going to take this the wrong way, hope that you understand too Belerforte, it's maybe just my brain seeking things that aren't there. I'm anxiously awaiting more information about the device, greetz
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Can we get a official announcement already?
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
seems strange that this phone is expected 'soon' but the specs on the HTC site don't match those that are beig banded about, they look like they are the specs for the HD, not the HD2 so this could be an error, however you would have thought that the manufacturers would know what it has/hasn't got and get this right on their own site.

I've had WM for years, and recently made the jump from my beloved HD to an iphone (I know, I'm sorry), but I can't wait to get back to WM and this looks like the phone to do it for me, I just really need to see the ACTUAL specs, and not a wishlist of maybes.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
It's almost as annoying as people going on ad nauseum about whether this is phone will be released by any of the US "carriers"!!! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] turt:
Maybe it has to do with the fact that the HD2 is an unannounced phone, which does not appear on the HTC website yet? :o
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
Maybe he mixed 'em up with new HTC Touch2 specs? I did that myself a couple of days ago. =)
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
tis true, and I did....however for a phone that people are expecting to be released ithin a couple of weeks, you would have thought that the manufacturer would be announcing it first?
[HD2 General] trap:
Chat with T-Mobile representative
[HD2 General] dugald5:
I couldn't find anything relating to the HD2 on the HTC website - where did you see this?

*EDITED* - sorry missed later posts.
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
They're probably waiting for WM6.5 official launch
[HD2 General] turt:
Yeah, it's not like they don't want to announce it, I'm pretty sure Micro$oft has forbidden them to announce the phone before Oct. 6 (because that's when M$ should officially introduce WM6.5)...
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I don't know for sure, but I wouldn't have expected RAM to be relevant there; it'll be to do with the speed of writing to or from Flash ROM, or (less likely) to or from the memory card.

It could well be a hardware issue - the performance of a desktop PC can depend strongly on the motherboard as well as the CPU and GPU. If it is a software issue then it's worth noting that we may be comparing a beta version of HD2 with released versions of the other phones; but even if we are I see no reason to assume that HTC will actually do any optimisation before release.

This is a popular misconception that comes from people not realising how much faster the MSM7200A processor is than the MSM7201A. It's not the same hardware. If anything, I would say HTC has a well established reputation for artificially crippling the performance of their phones by being too mean to pay Qualcomm enough money to allow third party software to access the phone's GPU.

There's not a lot of difference in the graphics benchmarks between the Acer and the HD2. The TG01 does seem faster (but interestingly still slower than current generation phones).

I would expect Hummingbird and Snapdragon to be broadly comparable in CPU terms. What is interesting about possible Samsung devices is that as well as matching the Snapdragon for CPU power they may be paired with a substantially more powerful GPU; Samsung has a track-record of using PowerVR chips in their phones. Nvidia Tegra solutions will (AIUI) likely have a slower CPU (more like the standard Cortex A8 - which is still more than twice as powerful as the CPU in a Touch Pro2) but, again, a more powerful 3D graphics chip.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Re announcement delay, maybe HTC is adopting Apple's marketing best practices - keeping silent officially till the last moment. Next time expect a guy in a black turtleneck sweater to make presentations. That's a proven recipe for success, isn't it? :)
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Lets make it clear once more.I said it like 10000 times, that i am not supposed to give any information to anybody, i just decided to do so, not for any publicity reasons as most of ppl nowadays act, or to put it on my agenda that i did this or that. If i want publicity, blv m i have millions of others less lame ways to do so (though i hate publicity) if a want, instead of just posting info about a freaking cell. I saw the freaking post and i decided to give further info,

though if i follow by the rule my contract of my profession

about confidential projects, i wouldn't have even think to do any of those i did, wrote or posted so far. But world became so f****ng suspicious, about ppl, what they do, how they do it and stuff, which not only turns out to be absolutely and fullishly annoying, but @ the end of the day is damn bad, like judging a person b4 even knowing hm :mad:.

Whoever blved, blved, whoever else...i don't even damn care about. And yes i am mad, because first u judge like so many others around here and then u say the easy-to-be-said phrase "Anyways, hope that no one is going to take this the wrong way" , which is even worse, than swearing face to face a person.And listen up dude, im just playing my head IF u have understood (though about u and for so many other around this thread, i tottally blv u haven't) by participating and annouching info, testing results, pics and so on.

And something to conclude. Coz as it may seems u grab on my own words, by the end of the week, does not necessarily means, Friday and to be honest, its different, as i didn't mention anything about working week, so in case u can count the days, week is over on Sunday and till Sunday, as i did b4, will give what i have to. I am not stuck in front of the lame pc the whole day, waitting to see or to post further stuff for u to know and keep u updated, as u do, by reloading HTC's official webpage to see whether they finally announced it or not, or trying to retrieve and squeeze net, to see if there is anything out there. Its not suspicious that i just live my own life and work to get my job done. Suspicious is, when ur suspecting ppl like u ppl do. So have a life as well.Thankfully ppl don't have access to Intranets and Private Netw's. So how about u and all the rest of non-belivers wait, till HTC officially announces the god damn product, which i personally loved and through some of urs and others sayings, sometimes make me hate it :mad::mad:.

Peace to the rest of u and cu either Saturday or Sunday. Out.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Relax man, don't let the naysayers get to you - too much negative emotion. Just ignore them and post for those that trust in your word!
[HD2 General] skotten:
Dude i gotta hand it to you, you got me laughing :D
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Alrighty, why don't you just relax for a minute.

I simply stated a conspiracy theory I thought up, it was just my two cents. You don't need to get worked up about a opinion from me. And my use of publicity was not for the personal gain that you may or may not get, but the publicity that HTC receives. And I think you just needed to get something off your chest because the ranting about days of the week and so on and so forth, seems to me that you needed to blow some anger off. just relax, man. it's just my thoughts, and if you misinterpret them and go on a rant fine, whatever
[HD2 General] ChefChaudart:
You guys could stop quotting, that makes the thread hard to read ...
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
because in a quick moving thread, it's difficult to tell which post you were responding to as the posts may not run sequentially.
[HD2 General] maati:
More important, stop developing any f**king conspiracy theories that nobody wants to hear anyways.

B3ler3fonte has done a great job keeping us informed while we were waiting for the official release, he deserves our thanks and not those stupid conspiracy theories.

It doesn't matter whether your theories are true or not. They can only cause harm, so just keep them for yourself.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
B3ler3font has contributed a lot of useful information with NO signs of being a HTC PR man. You apparently don't have the brain capacity to realize this, because if you did you wouldn't have posted such a stupid conspiracy theory.

It is just natural that more information becomes available the closer you get to the release of a device, as by necessity more people will have access to the device.

Apart from upsetting a source of valuable information, all you have accomplished is showing just how big of a dumba** you are. Come back if you have anything of value to contribute.

To B3ler3font: I'm sure you realize this, but there are a lot of idiots on the internet, it is inevitable that some will post to this forum as well. I understand your frustration with comments like this, and why you respond the way you do. As you can see though, the majority of the posters (and the surely even higher number of silent readers) are greatful for the information you provide. Don't let a few idiots stop you.
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
I am really excited about more information about this device :-)))

Belerfonte keep up ur good work, without ur work and efforts the hype for this device would decrease.

My enthusiasm for leo is gigantic :o and I think on the 6th of october they will announce this device!

Without this device the release of win mobile 6.5 would be as half as meaningful it would be without
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I remember last year when I was hugely excited about the TP..I was on pre-order for nearly 6 weeks. Then I moved to my HD after a month with the tp (The HD is the phone I've kept for the longest time - almost 11 months!!), I got an iphone 2 weeks ago, which as an interface is truly amazing, has apps a plenty, but functionally is a let down, and the lack of ability to customise is really starting to grate my cheese...

so, I need to go back to WM, and this HD2 has me drooling....I just hope the release date doesn't get put back further and further and further.
[HD2 General] lude219:
Ask yourself this, "so ****ing what?"

What is it to you if he's hyping it up? Will that make you not buy it?

What is it to you if he's holding back information close to the announcing date? Will that infuriate you because you wont know the full detail ahead of time?

He doesnt owe you or anyone here anything. Show some common sense that he's nice enough to answer posters' questions, do benchmark and take pictures and that post like this will only deter one from ever showing the kind of help and gratitude in the next/upcoming devices.

If your tinfoil hat leads you to believe that he's pulling all this information out of his ass as to sway you in any direction, wait outside until you hear the official announcement. It's that easy.
[HD2 General] turt:
I have noticed a few days ago that the HTC HD2 is listed on expansys US, so maybe this means that it will reach the US?

http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=188312
[HD2 General] Barguast:
Stop the bickering - people want to read this thread for information, not for your petty squabbles.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I noticed the same thing...expansys have always had pre-order capabilities, however they don't have the HD2 here in the UK yet...which is odd as last year they had the TP on pre-order a month before it was released.
[HD2 General] maati:
Expansys Germany doesn't have it for pre-order yet either. :(
[HD2 General] chris10230:
On the state of orders o2 rep in store told me near the end of the month they will have some... So i think that next month they will. Always shocking with launches of non-key phones. Looks like im waiting for a while now grr!
[HD2 General] mspingeld:
Yes, but not with the U.S. 3G bands
[HD2 General] maati:
Those leaked specs say it has 850/900/1900/2100 Mhz 3G bands: http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-leo-complete-spec-list-htc-hd2.html
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
Quicksite,

Have you seen me posted anything else in this thread? And the last time I checked this thread, it was really just a general discussion about HTC Leo to begin with. Since when has the titled turned into "Belerfont's Q&A about HTC LEO"? Because if that was the title of the thread, I'd retract my statements and apologize.

But please, do continue to humor me with your condescending statements. I mean, being able to feel or derive even an ounce of annoyance from something like an internet forum is rather delightful to me, simply because it tells me a lot about you and your life.

lude,

As above, was this a Belefont's Q&A answer thread about HTC LEO? Because if it was, I'd take my words back and swallow it whole.

Lawl, why are you acting as though someone e-sodomized you over the internet? Calm down. I know you really want this phone, there's no need to make it look as though you'd die if you don't get more information about the phone.

It's really funny how you guys get so riled up over an internet forum.

Good day.
[HD2 General] merkman:
I'm no expect, but as I understand it these are the "voice" bands available for the phone. The data band would need to operate on the 850 band as well, but only works on 2, and 850 isn't one of them. Sucks, but I'll buy and HD2 without it. Nicest device I've seen in QUITE some time, and wanna replace my Touch Cruise with the best possible. :cool:
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Well, perhaps its just my lack of understanding on how mobile technology works, but as I know it, it's sort of an intertwined relationship. That the quicker the RAM can juggle programs can allow the ROM to write/read quicker, thus write/read speed is affected by how quickly the RAM can perform what is needed before passing the task on.

I would have to disagree on the motherboard issue. For a PC, the motherboard is only of significant importance depending on whether you're an overclocker or not, and even then, it's only due to how well/easily it allows you to overclock. I've certainly never seen or even heard of a motherboard bottlenecking the rest of the hardware in regular usage, however.

On the other hand, if it is an software optimization issue and HTC won't do anymore optimization...that's kind of bad, isn't it? Well, being an HTC phone, I guess that's what they have XDA for.

Well, I'm not much updated on Qualcomm's various CPUs, but correct me if I'm wrong, the Touch HD is reputed to be faster than the Touch Pro, correct? Aren't they both using the MSM7201A?

Hmm, so there's a possibility that the Hummingbird may match Snapdragon in speed, but have superior GPU capabilities? That is interesting and very exciting. I always did like Samsung.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
If you're a PC performance freak, this gives you a rather narrow perspective on the question, in that you probably only ever read reviews of high-performance motherboards, and probably only ever compare motherboards that use the same chipset. If you compare the performance of different boards that use different chipsets (but support the same type of CPU and expansion cards) then you'll notice huge differences in performance. If you compare the sort of board used in cheap business-oriented PC's made by Dell with the sort of board used in a high-end PC designed for gaming then, again, you'll see very large differences.

A few years back I had to temporarily swap to a low-end replacement motherboard in my home PC when the old one went belly-up, and my frame-rate in some games divided by 3 because of the differences in the performance of the AGP bus.
[HD2 General] mspingeld:
We're quoting 2 different sites. The Expansys USA shows HSPA 900 and 2100 only. The HTCPedia site shows "HSPA/UMTS (2100/900 MHz for EU, Asia, Softbank, 850/1900 for US, Latin America sku3, 2100/850 for Telstra, Latin America sku1&sku2)"

I'm not clear from the HTCPEdia site if the phone comes equipped for all 4 frequencies or if there will be 2 different versions for different markets.
[HD2 General] Gregg001:
Thanks B3ler3fonte for all the great info

I see that you are also testing the Samsung Omnia II, how does this compare to the Leo?

The Omnia II is the other phone I am considering along with the Leo

In some ways it appears to maybe have a superior feature set

AMOLED Display

TV-OUT

Front Facing Camera

FM Radio

Dedicated camera button

Now I know it doesn’t have a 1Ghz Snapdragon but it does have a S3C6410 800MHz processor with a dedicated graphics accelerator. GSM Arena tested it with Windows 6.5 http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8000_omnia_ii-review-388.php

They said it was pretty fast, so as long as it can play movies without dropping frames and displays everything else without lag what more would you want?

What’s everyone else think?
[HD2 General] bworls:
I would guess

1st version 900/2100 (Europe, Asia, etc)

2nd version 850/2100 (Australia, Latin America)

3rd version 850/1900 (US)

All different SKUs

Just my guess and prayer for 3rd version.
[HD2 General] lucky 69:
wanted to know what you all thought on how hard do you think it will be to get android on this one ?
[HD2 General] Nokki:
I agree to this post

+1
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Gregg001, are you saying that the Leo has NO FM Radio, where did you get confirmation of this?

Just rang T-mobile they will be launching the HTC touch 2 on 6th October..(specs were available)..no more news on the HTC touch 'HD'2 but they said that it may be still be in final software testing as it does not come up on their system untill it is cleared...update:they just phoned back while i was typing this and said that the HTC touch HD2 'HAS' cleared testing and is out this month but no date as yet (specs from them still not available)...I will keep checking as today I was due for an upgrade at the end of an 18month contract!...hopefully they can get the 'touch HD2' out together with the 'touch 2' on the 6th rather than the 12th!