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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
Still no updates?

Microsoft has already shown WM7 to the press at Mobius event (though under NDA). It should be announced within less than 3 months. There's already lots of people outside MSFT who have seen it.

And yet we know nothing about it? Come on...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vader165:
actually, the hd2 meets chassis 1 requirements. it might, in similar fashion to the diamond2 and pro2 (us) get a wm7 upgrade in q4.

on topic, a rhodium upgrade is out of the question.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] SlimJ87D:
Well that's just gay, I just bought my phone too. Makes me want a droid or iphone even more... :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
TP2 is way better than an iPhone, no matter what WM version it runs, because the iPhone runs that crappy, locked down iPhone OS.

Droid, however, has better hardware than the TP2 and a very good OS, too. Still lacks some features but it's faster and easier to use than the TP2.

Get an HD2 ;)

And get used to the fact that every phone sucks.

Okay, back to topic now: According to visitors of the Mobius event, the HD2 is the only phone that's capable of running WM7.

I'm sure Microsoft has had WM7 running on older phones, too, but maybe they're going to remove support for older phones, like the TP2. It then depends on xda-developers whether they can put it back in.

I hope for some leaked HD2 ROMs soon, because I'm sure there are some HD2's out there already running WM7.

The first leaked screenshots from WM6.5 came around Dec.11 last year. I hope that this year, it's going to be the same with WM7.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ND4SPD:
The problem is that the kernel for wm7 is built a different way than the previous wm6.x/older kernels. So unless someone picks up either ms or htc's tests for the tp2 that has the new kernel, wm7 is out of the question on the tp2 or any device that doesn't run a snapdragon/omap 3/tegra
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
Yep.

WM7 on the TP2 is pretty much out of question.

I'm glad I own an HD2 :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] p51d007:
By the time MS gets around to releasing it, HTC will have released a new phone past the HD2 anyway :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vader165:
but remember... tpro2 and tdiamond2 were announced in february. wm6.5 released in nov! still, an upgrade!

hd2 in november, 7 most likely announced at mobile world congress, barcelona february, release q4 2010.

roughly same time, maybe a little more, but i think that's cause htc wants to move more units for that point? we can always hope... ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] GSLEON3:
The Rhodium does not have a multi-touch capacative touch screen. It has a resistive screen. WM7 IAFAIK beiing designed by MS for capacitive screens only. This would leave almost all of the recent HTC devices out. :mad:

Surely we will all benefit in some manner from the kernel tecnology, advanced dual paging, & a plethora of new goodies, but at best WM7 for current devices such as Diamond 2 & Tilt 2 will be a hybrid of 6.5 & 7.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] msmith1991:
t-mobile wing runs 6.5 great

iM not sure about that.

my wing runs windows phone 6.5 very well

and this is one of the slowest htc pocket pc phones.

if not the slowest.

you can always overclock the processor, well atleast i think
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
Not sure about this. I don't think MS will drop handwriting recognition.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sleuth255:
I'll believe WM7 when I see it. Supposedly WM7 has been "in the works" since before the iPhone came out. :rolleyes:

WM6.5 is more than just a UI upgrade btw. Da_G has an excellent thread in dev/hacking that explains the differences in detail. I would expect WM7 to be more of a GUI change and maybe leverage a new WinCE core.

That being said, I'd expect to see dev builds surfacing here in early to mid 2010. I'd be surprised if WM7 didn't run well on Rhodium. The only potential deal breaker may be capacitive screen ties but to me, its simply a driver issue. In the past, m$ developed with existing hardware and Rhodium would be (is) mainstream here. I'm sure a rhodium build will surface and various ROM gurus here will port it everywhere ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] EGOvoruhk:
Exactly. Everyone always seems to forget this fact. WinMo7 may not official support our hardware, but Snapdragon phones are brand spanking new, so it's not like Microsoft could have been testing on them all these years
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drkfngthdragnlrd:
I think what everyone forgets is that devices have Native Kernel for a specific OS. A lot of device use 6.1 NK in 6.5 which works as they are both the same CORE OS. This will not be the case with Windows Mobile/Phone 7. It will have a completely new NK & if there isn't a NK for your device, you won't be able to get WM7/WP7. This is how they (M$) prevent Piracy in the WM/WP market.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sleuth255:
I don't agree (sorry). I've been through 3 major WM updates and every time, mainstream devices are what M$ used for developer "dogfood". It's really only a matter of what IPL/SPL is loaded.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] petard:
Does the same NK work for 5, 6, 6.1, and 6.5? Do they all use CE 5?

I know some phones with 2003 were able to go to 5 and any that got to 5 have 6.5 now, but aren't some old HTC phones stuck at 2003? Those never got an upgrade to WM5 (CE5) or any newer WM.

Since WP7 is going to use CE6, I doubt all those old phones will get the upgrade. The oldest I think will be the Diamond 2/Touch Pro 2 and later. Since they are so similar to the TP/Diamond and somewhat similar to the Kaiser generation, maybe it can be ported back to those.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] therealrizzsp:
if windows 7 will be all its cracked up to be.... i wouldn't even want to run it on my old device... i'd be willing to pay for a new prep'd device made specific for running 7
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sleuth255:
I'm pretty much in your same camp here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Loco5150:
Sleuth, you at Rhodium?

Is there a rom in the works?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sleuth255:
let's just say this is one killer device and I may have an AT&T variant in the works. ;) The stock ROM is actually pretty good and will make a decent base. It'll be Titanium only though. Work in progress is here...

My personal build has some nice tweaks, mostly reghacks that everybody already knows about, but I'd really like to do something major with BT before releasing anything. The Widcomm stack can be massively tweaked and it also might be possible to replace it with the M$ stack.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Loco5150:
Now this is good news people!!! :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sleuth255:
arrg.... looks like winmo7 does need snapdragon atm. :( Hope I didn't get anybody's hopes up too much...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cryptic03:
?

ATM HTC and Sony Erricsson etc have their own plugins for WM (such as TouchFlo/Sense, the XPeria Panels). Windows Mobile has always had a very poor User Interface, thats why these companies created their own to run over the top. This was probably the only reason I have Windows Mobile. I have the HTC Touch HD. Do u think that these UI's will be present in Windows Phone 7 or will they be cut out for Microsofts own new UI? :confused:
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] tommytuna:
Hi All - flashed to the CHristian WM6.5 clean image and running great. I cannot stand the built in dialer in this image (same as out of box X1 dialer). Does anybody have a good dialer for 6.5 that will work properly on this phone? I tried a couple I found online but they wouldn't install or didn't come up properly. Thanks in advance!
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] Gilg@mesh:
maybe the Rhodium Dialer?

http://rapidshare.com/files/263677218/SDConfig_V2.rar

inside that rar you got it, it's about 22MB...

then if you want to make it look this way:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=524797&highlight=dusk

just install this after you installed the Rhodium dialer and soft reseted..

http://cid-9bd3a088bb863c14.skydriv...nila CAB|4s/Dusk|_Rhodium|_Dialer|_v2.CAB.zip
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] tommytuna:
Hi there - i tried the above but it came up in a grey skin and wouldn't integrate with my outlook contacts.. reset and everything. Maybe it wasn't compatible with the 6.5 build I have?
[XPERIA X1 Themes and Apps] tommytuna:
Had to do a hard reset to get rid of the dialer.. strange it wouldn't reinstall. Any other dialer add ons? The dialer in the Valkyrie rom was nice but that ROM isn't very stable for me.
[General Questions and Answers] BoostedSR20:
I've been using cwmx.com for my outgoing e-mail for a couple years now, and have never had any success e-mailing attachments, like pics. Does anyone know what the size limit is? I did some poking around on google, and on XDA and couldn't find an answer for this, only the MMS limits.

I realize you *can* send an MMS to an e-mail addy, I do this all the time (mostly to iphone users) but sometimes I want to be able to actually e-mail an attachment such as a file or photo.
[General Questions and Answers] BoostedSR20:
No one knows this eh? Maybe I'll try to figure it out. Anyone else give a crap? :)
[General Questions and Answers] sonus:
Most of us probably didn't even realize that ATT still had POP email access. I remember back in early 2000 before the cingular merger, that I had an ATT email address with POP, but sometime after the cingular merger, I thought that they changed that to web based mail only. I stopped caring at that point and that was probably back in 2006.
[General Questions and Answers] BoostedSR20:
I don't have an ATT e-mail addy, never have. Most ppl who have ISP's that won't let you use their outgoing mail servers unless your on thier network, use cwmx.com
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Rowey:
Anybody managed to get this working on on the Topaz?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] tvrtim:
try using search... look for myplayer it plays bbc, 5od, itv player and live tv streams
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Rowey:
Thanks just what i was looking for

http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-myplayer.html
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] okidem:
......................

this works fine on my TD2, although some stations prefer routing through mplayer servers, i just stick to the free ones ie bbc, itv
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] magseg:
Hi.

I have some problems with messages. (sms)

People send me sms and I cant recieve them. No sms.

When I send a sms I got a copy of it in my inbox as a new sms.... It will also go to the person I send it to.

Strange.... whats wrong? Have not changed anything in settings.....

Somethings wrong with the sms-software?

/M
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] beph:
I have same problem, I tried a new ROM but same prob, have you solved your problem?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Mrok6:
Hey,

I rooted my rogers htc magic but something seems to have gone astray because now even when I use my original nandroid 2.2 backup My phone won't recognize any SIM card, or when I factory reset it. Any Ideas??
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ClintonH:
Have you tried entering in APN settings again?

Clinton
[Touch Pro CDMA] ace.app:
a friend of a friend is wants to get rid of his SERO plan along w/ his touch pro. His contract is ending in a couple months. I'm thinking about buying the whole package from him and transferring his SERO plan.

For those with experience dealing with sprint, is this process easy to do? I know they are trying to get ppl off the SERO plan. Will they make u change ur plan after the contract expiration?

Also, how difficult would it be to upgrade to TP2 when it comes out next week? Just wondering if sprint will try to screw me out of the SERO plan. I don't want to buy the phone to find out that i can only use the SERO plan for 2 months

Thanks
[Touch Pro CDMA] bullet2300:
The process if fairly easy to do from what I know, people transfer plans all the time (including SERO ones).

I am also on SERO and have been considering waiting for the next phone instead of TP2, so I asked Sprint what will happen to my plan once it expires if I don't extend it. They said they will NOT mess with your plan, they won't cancel it, or force you off of it. They did say that if you want to upgrade to a phone down the road, it's eligibility will depend on the phone (which is how it is now anyway, so no biggie).

It would be easy upgrading to the TP2 if you qualify for the upgrade (and it sounds like you are good for $150 credit). Just call telesales on Sept 8th and they should be able to hook you up.

SERO sales is: 1-800-503-3078.

The only trouble you will run into is they will ask you for a Sprint Rep's e-mail and ID, which you can Google to find (many forums don't allow asking, so just Google it and you should find it no problem).

That's it! It's a good deal if you can get SERO... can't go wrong with $30 a month.
[Touch Pro CDMA] ace.app:
is there a better phone coming out soon after the TP2?

Other thing I'm worried about is that they will eventually make all phones require the newer plans like they did with the Pre.
[Touch Pro CDMA] bullet2300:
Pre was never going to be SERO eligible because it's not WM. For the most part, SERO is WM only plan.

Android won't be eligible either...

And sadly, no. I don't know of a WM phone coming out soon besides TP2... it's just not much of an upgrade for me (on a TP now) and 450$ is a bit high if you ask me!
[Touch Pro CDMA] sanjsrik:
This is incorrect information. SERO is no longer active or even usable nor honored by Sprint. Read the following article for information about the Sprint Everything plan instead:

http://www.cellfanatic.com/2008/07/24/sprint-sero-plans-now-sprint-everything-plus-faq
[Touch Pro CDMA] mrsmdh:
My husband and I are on SERO and in May his account was out of contract, so he went to Best Buy and got a new phone and he was able to use the $150 discount and still keep his SERO plan.

Probably if he had bought the phone through the SERO website or over the phone with Sprint, he would have had to change from his $30 SERO plan.
[Touch Pro CDMA] bullet2300:
Sorry to say, but you are wrong. I am on SERO. On November 1st, I got the Touch Pro with my SERO plan and there was no fuss about getting me off of it. You just cannot sign-up for a SERO account anymore as it's changed to SEP. It IS honored by Sprint.

And yes, I went directly through Sprint, not Best Buy or any other place.
[Touch Pro CDMA] sanjsrik:
No, you misread what I wrote. SERO is no longer an option to buy for new customers, however, you can stay on it but not if you want a new phone, I went directly to Sprint and they wouldn't let me "upgrade" to a new phone unless I switched over to an Everything Plus plan and paid ~$62 for 500 minutes and TEP.

Did you guys even read the link at the bottom of my post?
[Touch Pro CDMA] bullet2300:
I read your post and the link, but the fact is Sprint is still honoring the SERO plan. How do you think I was able to get a Touch Pro brand-new? I just bought it like anyone else (though I had to call the "special plan" telesales number. My girlfriend just asked about getting the Touch Pro 2 on her SERO plan and telesales said no problem at all.

If you were asked by the rep to switch plans, you were suckered into it. You don't have to switch at all, unless you want a special phone (like the Pre, Instinct, or Android). WinMo phones, for now, are fine on SERO.
[Touch Pro CDMA] mike99:
One more question. If I buy the phone myself (ebay for example), can I activate something like instinct or palm pre on any plan other than simply everything?
[Touch Pro CDMA] nauticus25:
I got the TP last November... had the Mogul on SERO before that. Bought the TP on ebay, switched the account over to the new phone online, didn't have to talk to anybody. No fuss, no muss. I'm still on the sweet, sweet $30 a month plan.
[Touch Pro CDMA] bullet2300:
You will have to call and ask what plans they are compatible with. Definitely not SERO though.
[Touch Pro CDMA] sanjsrik:
No one was suckered, except possibly this comment which was unnecessary. Depending on whom you talk to you get different answers. BTW, not all windows mobile phones are available if you try to switch from SERO to Simply Everything. BTW, I never signed up, i was preparing for when i go out of contract in December to see what my options were. you were simply offering advice based on your experience as though it was the standard and norm, it's not.
[Touch Pro CDMA] sporklover:
I keep seeing people saying that Android phones aren't SERO compatible. Where has this been stated or posted?

I looked over Sprint's HERO announcement and the only specific requirement as an unlimited data plan... which SERO has. Are we just speculating?

The folks over at Sprint Users have word otherwise... http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193640
[Touch Pro CDMA] Lecithin:
Spoke with a sales rep the other day who said that the TP2 would be available to SERO plan holders, he claimed I may not be able to order it right off the bat but that I would be able to get it without changing plans. He could see in the system that I was on SERO and brought it up before I did, which was good as this was the whole purpose of the call. The phone is available through telesales right now so I don't know if anyone has any better info.
[Touch Pro CDMA] gbm85:
Dude, shut the f*** up and pull your head out of your ass. You were wrong. I'm sure it has happened before. Get over it.

You're offering nothing but your own experience, so why should anyone believe what you're saying? Unless you have some sort of official document you'd like to share with us?

Reps don't know jack **** about anything. That's why it takes some calling around to get some things done. But you can upgrade your phone with SERO, including the $150 discount, and you can transfer or clone your SERO line.
[Touch Pro CDMA] yerp:
future Sprint policy predictions:

Since their policy has changed so much so fast since the hemorrhaging of customers due to the iPhone and bad publicity, there is no reason not to believe that their policy won't change drastically again based on it's success/failure. Depending on how successful or not their planned "phaseout" goes, i see more possible policy changes....

1. my hope is, if it goes well and the majority of accts are changed, Sprint may decide to scrap it and allow the last of the holdouts to keep SERO to ensure they retain their business....some $ is better then competitors getting the $ they want/need.

2. if the policy is a failure and the majority of SERO customers refuse to sign new plans, i see Sprint significantly upping their incentives to upgrade. first raising the rebates $50-100. if that doesn't work, maybe even offering top of the line phones "free" all together....

3. regardless of whether or not the first 2 predictions happen, i am almost certain that once they rollout Wimax(4g) nationally, all phones that use it will be "off-limits" to SERO. legally, they can due this as it is a totally separate system/infrastructure and they will. it is the same thing they did to me when i switched to an evdo-capable "Power Vision" phone 5 years ago.

well, there's my 2cents on the topic. it sucks...and it is one of the main reasons i am not switching to the TP2. $600-700 for a phone that offers no increase in cpu while at the same time taxing it with a bigger screen is just not worth it. i am waiting until Sprint puts out a phone that is significantly more powerful than the TP.....preferably based on nVidia's Tegra chipset.....

please comment if you have had any experience that counters mine(and my friends)...trust me, i want to believe/hear different...but again, unless you've had a more positive SERO experience recently with the Pre or TP2, don't post flamming me and telling me i'm wrong....these policy changes are recent and anything before the spring/summer time frame or on any phone older than the Pre just don't apply anymore. sh!t done changed....

cheers,

yerp
[Touch Pro CDMA] aero1:
sporklover, the facts are with you and not bullet. In fact that Sprint Android announcement looks exactly like the recent SERO eligible 80w, touch pro, Treo Pro and Touch Pro 2 announcements and is very different from the Everything only Pre/insticnt announcements.

SERO and the older plans most Sprint customers are on, aren't "WM only". Out of scores of handsets and smartphones eligible on older plans and SERO, what the tho which are not eligible, the Pre and Instict, have in common atre things like exclusivity to Sprint of both OS and handset, which won't be the case with the Androids.

Sprint also signaled only Everything plans with Pre and Instinct five months before they actually hit the the stores, no such thing with Android models.

I think you are very incorrect, in fact all WM phones are available.

Wrong again, when you say "not if you want a new phone." You can get a new one of every single sprint phoen except Insticnt or Pre on SERO.

SERO is fully honored by Sprint. Like many plans it is no longer newly offered but it is renewed complete with new customer pricing on phones -- just like Friends and Family and Free and Clear are.

Most people renewing don't get everything plans! They keep existing plans.

If you have been with Sprint you know that you can ALWAYS are making new plans and expiring the new offer of old plans but you can always keep you existing plan and get phone discoutns, even if those plans are no longer offered.

You can buy a Touch Pro 2 for $350 from Sprint today by renewing a SERO or renewing (or even adding a line) on a Friends and Family or Free and Clear.

As far as the link on the bottom of your posts it is dead wrong and proven so over the past year. You don't need to "call multiple reps" to get a 800w, treo pro or touch pro or touch pro 2 on SERO, you just need to buy it and activate it.
[Touch Pro CDMA] CelticREI:
Aero is correct sir heh. I just left Sprint BWTS at the end of July, and they were able to port my employee account over to the $30/month SERO plan, I have spoken to 5 reps since then about getting the TP2 and they all have said it is easy to do and very possible. (I contacted 5 mainly because aye, there *are* reps in the company that don't know what the hell they are doing, and I'd rather get a few responses to make sure it is norm.)

Cheers,

Celt
[Touch Pro CDMA] Velvis:
Can someone recommend a phone upgrade for SERO customers (which will allow them to keep their plan) for someone who wants a good facebook experience. (I have two friends on SERO that want better phones, (one has a rumor, and one has a sanyo katyana II))

I am a WinMo/techie guy so I dont really know whats out there for "regular people"

Any suggestions?
[Touch Pro CDMA] phatstud:
Ok, so even if I bought a Pre flat out off egay or online, I cannot activate it/use it on my current Sero plan?