yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Early reports suggest that the battery life is actually surprisingly good (e.g. a day and a half of heavy usage) but we'll see. I agree that I would have preferred a 1500mAh battery, but obviously HTC felt that would either make the phone too expensive or make it too thick and heavy.

I imagine there will be replacement, higher-capacity batteries available on eBay, together with custom-made rear covers to accomodate them, and with the phone being as thin as it is, fitting them won't make the bulk outrageously huge (unlike fitting a high-capacity battery to a TP2).

One of the major design goals of the Snapdragon chipset was to keep power usage under control, and it actually uses less electricity than the previoius generation of chip, despite being two and a half times as powerful. Rather impressive.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Again with the battery life, this bizarre fixation with numbers over reality.

Comparing the battery capacity of the Leo to HD and saying "the battery life isn't long enough" is pure nonsense. The power utiliastion differences in a newer, more power efficient CPU, graphics, different screen tech, etc. etc. couldn't possibly outweigh the truly GARGANTUAN 10% bigger battery in the HD. 10%? Nothing in the world could ever overcome such an immense number!

Again, how about people quit with the whining and moaning and crying until we have oh I don't know, actual real world data? That's a pretty revolutionary idea!
[HD2 General] lyk13:
Hi all,

was just wondering, is HTC Leo not really having a capacitive stylus? I personally would like to have the luxury of using the stylus if I have to as I still have not transitioned to a full touch phone.

Currently using p3600i aka Dopod D810 still, and wanted to upgrade to HTC Touch Pro 2 until seeing this gem - HTC Leo or better known as HTC Touch HD2.

Thanks all!
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Holy cow, I've just spoken with someone who knows someone from O2 who seen the HTC HD2, and he say the weight of the device is ~180grams !!! and that in his opinion that's the only big flaw with the device.

Horrible news :(
[HD2 General] diaf:
that sums this phone up very nicely, its the most perfect piece of rubbish excellence ;)
[HD2 General] makeveral:
woho! like the old hermes(tynt) :D

Hope it's not true :p
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I can't imagine what would make it weigh so much.
[HD2 General] agitprop:
Unobtanium is very dense
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
180g? Big deal... my Prophet weighs 133g, so 180g for a device that's got more than twice as much screen space that's not bad at all ;)

It's not like your pockets are going to be ripping because of the strain :p
[HD2 General] loomx:
Toughened glass cracks easier than normal glass, it just doesnt scratch as easily.
[HD2 General] agitprop:
OMG

I just calculated the density!

The Leo is 2.0184 kg/l

That is insane!!!11

The Touch pro 2 is only 1.561 kg/l in density.

This makes me really mad.

If its boiling point is higher than 745 degrees Kelvin I will have to cancel my order!
[HD2 General] swaffs:
Thanks everyone for finding time to add the 'usefull' info about this device, especially B3ler3fonte.
[HD2 General] jackhappy:
Luckily for me I can bench 240, so 180 is no problem ;)

On a serious note, thanks for all the info/time B3ler3fonte!
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
In case that u get attacked by s.o u can use leo as a weapon :)
[HD2 General] br3nt:
my TD2 is like 118 grams ( all the software in it, you know ;) )

TP2 is 187.5 grams (according to htc.com)

HD 147 grams

my guess would be that HD2 is between 140 and 185 g

stupid school, making me go there tomorrow for 12 hours and miss the launch of winmo 6.5 and offical Leo ...
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
LOL. And I thought my life was sad :D
[HD2 General] lude219:
I trust mobile customer support as much as I trust a dog explaining to me about quantum mechanics.
[HD2 General] grayme:
I'd heard it was lighter than the eyefone, we'll have to wait and see! :)

I went from the X1 to the HD for the reduced thickness, bigger screen and because my X1 cracked. :mad: A thinner (than HD) Leo would be great.
[HD2 General] Mr. Megiddo:
My thoughts exactly.

How much weight is too much weight? (especially considering the size of this device)
[HD2 General] adendum:
Well, looks like the guys from ai.rs got some more information, street date should be 16th Oct o9 and the name _is_ Touch HD2 oO

http://ai.rs/2009/10/htc-leo-announcement/

I survived waiting a month til i got my inet back, this 10day wait should be no biggie : D
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Well, strange as it is, but those few grams do add a lot to subjective perception of weight. A 180g device will feel heavy indeed; to feel OK, a phone needs to be under 150-160g (this is a subjective threshold for most people). A 110-120g device is light. I have no idea why, but try it yourself and you'll see.

Not that I won't buy it because it's 30g over "the limit", and as was noted above it's much more important how it feels overall, with certain shape, weight, size, materials etc. A lightweight and simultaneously big device may feel good initially but is doomed to drop out of your hand often. Shape is critical too - it's much harder to drop a Touch HD than the iPhone because of flat soft-touch surfaces on the sides in the former (missing in Leo, btw). Therefore all the iPhones I've seen have cracks or other traces of falling.

So, unobtanium may be very dense but I hope it will be (at least partially) replaced by obtanium as we approach production versions of the device. :)
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
It was just a hypothetical situation; of course, in the real world, no motherboard is going to support all of that. Ultimately, I think you get the point I was trying to convey, or at least I hope so because I really don't know how to say it any other way. The examples I posted should have given my point across well enough: If you upgrade the motherboard, but leave all the other parts intact, then you won't see a performance change because the primary factors in performance comes from the other hardware involved, not the motherboard itself.

VIA (aka S3)? That's a well known integrated GPU manufacturer. As I said before, if you are using an integrated GPU, then of course your performance will be affected when you switch motherboards (because your GPU is actually a part of the motherboard as opposed to a dedicated GPU).

I found out about that a few hours ago. Every single smartphone OS is getting it, except for the iPhone. Is it just me or has there been a flood of good news lately? :D
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
And what in the world do you need hardware accelerated flash for???
[HD2 General] skotten:
That's what she said!
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
still no news on htc.com...or any of the other usual suspects...would like to be able to pre-order at least.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
You can try preordering here

http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=188312
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
If an HD2 is too heavy to hold to your ear for long periods, then use a bluetooth headset. I've got a Jabra BT500 for my far too heavy Motorola V3im (100g). ;) It is comfortable enough to wear for hours at a time. Or use the speakerphone option. Or use the phone less. I comfortably carry my hx4700 pda (210g), read books, play games while walking, so it is not the weight per se, it is the unnatural position of holding a phone to your ear with your arm fully bent that is a problem.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
sorry, I should have pointed out I'm in the UK

I pre-ordered my TP last year from expansys, about 6 weeks before it's actual release. I was just surprised that O2 expect to release it about the 19th (or 12th, or 6th ..or.....) and nobody has it available for pre-order yet.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Looks like we are all waiting for this giant to arrive in our countries. I'm from singapore. Have any idea what band my country uses? Hope this doesnt end up like the TG01.
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
Actually, they were right in saying the motherboard can influence performance substantially, and I'm not talking about a motherboard with integrated GPU.

A low end motherboard (without integrated GPU or with one that was disabled in the BIOS) will make you lose quite a bit of performance compared to a high end motherboard with the exact same components besides the motherboard.

That's also the reason you can see motherboard reviews and roundups on hardware websites, where they compare benchmarks of several motherboards without changing the other hardware.

I won't go into details since the others already did but here's a page I just found that seems to explain a bit more about it (it's old, but still relevant with today's hardware) : http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ctcm-motherboard-benchmark-page,7.html

If you got to hardware sites like tomshardware.com, you'll see motherboard reviews where they test the performances.

I hope this clarifies it a bit.. :)

Besides that, I would like to say thanks to B3ler3fonte for all the info from a (usually) silent reader.

I've been waiting for this device for a while as well and I'm glad to finally find detailled info. :)
[HD2 General] bloedfisch:
Frontcamera?

Hello!

I played with a photoeditor and increased the contrast and changed the coloration of the picture, we´ve seen at www.4winmobile.com. I asked myself, what are the spots at the end of the arrows? Maybe there is a Front-Camera for Videocall? The T-Mob specs says there is a second camera built in the HTC TOUCH HD2.

PS: The image quality of the png-file in the zip-file is much better!
[HD2 General] ZenithUK:
Looks like the proximity sensor to me.
[HD2 General] owz206:
I think one is a light sensor and the other a proximity sensor.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Nope, just Via. They also make CPUs and chipsets... which I've had a lot of problems with...

Can't disagree with that ;)
[HD2 General] kersh:
I dont see the point of a WinMo device without a stylus.

This screen will make essential apps like phatpad totally unusable
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
S3 was a well-known manufacturer of graphics chips. Its graphics division was sold off into a joint venture with VIA, a company which was well known as a manufacturer of lots of different kinds of semi-conductor devices, including motherboard chipsets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Graphics

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIA_Technologies

To be honest, I don't really feel inclined to debate this issue any longer, as you seem to be arguing on the basis of faith rather than evidence; that, or you're just trolling. Either way there seems little point in continuing.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Funny that for an "essential" app, I've never used it. It's almost as if different people have different needs, as bizarre and scary as that concept may be! My Touch Pro has a stylus, but apart from hard resets when swapping ROMs, I can't remember the last time I actually used it. Don't confuse biased opinion with fact.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
the capacative screen on the iphone doesn't suffer from any accuracy problems (and sorry to compare the two again, but it's true!!)
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
kersh,

Look at it as a holding vessel until Windows 7 comes out. I'm really curious and look forward to see the phone hit the shelves and can get first hand information on how good the battery life really is!

Cheers.
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
In rares cases where someone still needs a stylus for a specific application, there is always the possibility to buy one made for capacitive screens.

Personally, I don't think I'll need one though.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
I dont really use the stylus myself too. Even when using excel on my HD, im ok with using just my fingers. The only thing the stylus brings are problems. Lost 2 of my original stylus. Bought 2 cheapo ones from ebay and found out that they were of a really poor quality. Bought the original pack of 3 instead.
[HD2 General] 10thplanet_jose:
HTC LEO Otherwise known as Touch HD2

Thank you for your article. I went to my branch of O2 and it will be available on the 26th Oct give or take a week. It is known as the touch HD2. No price on offline or monthly as yet. I find it amazing that HTC are not selling it directly but it is available on O2. I would like one offline!!! Can anyone shed some light as this. BTW how did you get one to test before release?

Desperate for this computer/phone. Please help.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
That makes no sense - O2 has already put it in its brochure as the HTC HD2, and HTCMMS.com.tw has it listed as HTC HD2 T8585 (unlocked) and HTC HD2 on T-Mobile and Vodafone: http://www.g400.co.uk/blog/pl/technology/more_hd2_info

Firstly, don't unnecessarily quote an epically long post.

Secondly, changing the name after it has already appeared in the O2 brochure as "HTC HD2" would be weird.

Thirdly, I went to my local O2 store yesterday and got the people there to show me all the data they had on it, and all they had was "HTC Leo" near the end of a spreadsheet of devices coming soon - the staff said that it will probably come towards the end of the month. It probably will be available unlocked, but apparently HTC is leaving the announcement quite late (to be fair, if you were HTC, would you shoot yourself in the foot by announcing a WM7-compatible device on or before the WM6.5 release day?).
[HD2 General] corked:
Leo (HDII) available in Norway end October

Confirmed today, available in Norway end October, retailing @ approx £499
[HD2 General] turt:
Confirmed where? Link?
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
£499 seems a little optimistic, since the HD is currently retailing for £450 ish

however, I would be happy at that figure.
[HD2 General] turt:
I have found this (with 19 new pictures):

http://www.itavisen.no/825068/her-er-supertelefonen
[HD2 General] Dmitry N:
Damn. It's the "Lorem ipsum" thing again :)

It seems that no one still has a real production sample.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
They said the following interesting things in that article (after some time with the Leo):

1. "HTC HD2 itself is a really impressive piece of technology, and make the most to hide the Windows Phone running in the background."

2. "HD2 has a powerful processor at 1 GHz, and thanks to this, there is little mincing or lugging to track down as we scroll through the menus."

3. Will be available in Norway at the beginning of November.

4. Will cost slightly more than 5000 NOK (600 Euro).
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I hope so, I laughed when I saw an article with a video dsplaying the all new windows wait logo....it seems strange to advertise that you will be waiting for the phone to do something!!
[HD2 General] cidriver:
I saw the pictures and I noticed Copilot is in it, is that is true or the device owner put it as an extra???

Remember some of HTC in the past come with TomTom (trial version)

By the way, I want it and want it as soon as possible!!!!
[HD2 General] owz206:
Does anyone think this phone will be announced today?
[HD2 General] Dmitry N:
I think there's definitely someone who thinks so :)

But does it make any difference?
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
announcing it is one thing....actually having it available is another completely.
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
Oh, then we might have it in Sweden soon :) Hope so..

EDIT: Just saw a pic that named Telenor at a SIM icon, lucky me :D
[HD2 General] owz206:
Just so that it's official and maybe I can get an idea of when I can get my hands on it.

Going to get this on contract as soon as it's available.
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Cher Wang, the chairwoman of HTC is also the chairwoman of Via Technologies
[HD2 General] maati:
Have a look at that great docking station for the HD2:

http://gizmovil.com/2009/10/la-opcion-gps-del-htc-hd2

And a bunch of new pictures, including size comparison to the iPhone:

http://gizmovil.com/2009/10/nuestra-primera-impresion-del-htc-hd2/p1040483

And a new video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJ7byWartRI&feature=player_embedded

It's incredibly fast....

Oh, and look at the back! It seems like HTC is adressing all the false information about HTC Sense.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Are you sure the HD2 is capacitive ???

Look at the video, after 14 seconds of the clip he is trying to press an icon, and the screen doesn't register his first click, so he makes a second, harder click, and only then it registers. This is resistive behaviour people !!!
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
And her husband is the founder of VIA. :)

No lorem ipsum there! :D
[HD2 General] maati:
Naaa, the guy just can't handle it...
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I'm glad someone else spotted that....quite worrying..but then again, it does sometimes happen on my iphone too. because you don't actually need to press the screen, you tend to hover your finger over it VERY gently, and sometimes think you've presed it when in fact you haven't
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Nice find, first version that isn't pre-production sample (no Pro.Three) The video looks lightening quick!
[HD2 General] makeveral:
ofc it's capacitive!
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
I think the guy is just too busy keeping up the camera :)
[HD2 General] why_999:
My thoughts exactly, and this is the second video I've seen it on (btw the other was there ai.rs video)
[HD2 General] owz206:
Here's another in depth look over on engadget spanish.

http://translate.google.com/transla...n-nuestras-manos/&sl=es&tl=en&history_state0=
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Engadget are at the same party if you want some more pics

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/htc-touch-hd2-hands-on/#continued
[HD2 General] maati:
It weighs 157g!

Here's the official spec sheet:http://learnbemobile.com/images/news/hd2/Datasheet_HTC HD2_de-1.pdf
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
157 grammes is the magic number! not too shabby by all accounts. Finally confirmed (officially!) to have a digital compass too
[HD2 General] maati:
It's got 448MB of RAM!!

And it's got longer battery life than the iPhone 3GS!
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I wouldn't belive what you read...the iphone 3GS is supose to have a stand by of 300 hours....I can't get any more than 2 days out of mine even if I barely touch it!!

it says UP TO...which could mean that if you turn everything off (including the phone) the battery might still have some charge after 300 hours...more than likely you will only get a couple of days tops!!
[HD2 General] skotten:
Think you got some corrupted data there dude! This is no snappydragooon processor, doubt the rest is correct.
[HD2 General] owz206:
Another first impression.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2009-10/06/htc-unveils-high-performance-hd2.aspx
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
Just read at a swedish site that it will be realesed in Sweden next moth. :)

www.mobil.se
[HD2 General] shure2:
i don't believe the 488mb for a second, i'll wait till I see multi-sourced screenshots of the rom first.

also who ever believed it would be out mid october on o2? Quite clearly not!
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
That's true; however, this data can still be used to roughly compare devices, especially when they come from the same manufacturer. Touch HD's numbers are approximately 1.5 times greater than those of the Diamond, and HD lasts about 1.5 times longer. So it is more or less reasonable to expect that HD2 will last at least as long as HD, maybe longer (providing the numbers are really coming from HTC). That's what I would be completely happy with.
[HD2 General] bloedfisch:
And here it is....

And here it is!!!
[HD2 General] cidriver:
Awesome the docking station in gizmovil.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
I remember looking at pictures showing it with 320mb of ram. But if htc decided that 488mb would be better, im not complaining!
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
But it's 157g indeed (confirmed by Wired).

Also,

http://www.engadget.com/photos/htc-hd2-hands-on/2339503/

isn't that "Memory: 209.05" refers to available RAM?
[HD2 General] maati:
sorry, dp.................
[HD2 General] maati:
The Apple site also says UP TO. The iPhone 3GS won't last longer than two days either.

Both devices won't last as long as their spec sheets say, BUT you can use the numbers to compare.
[HD2 General] owz206:
HTC have officially announced the HD2.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8679
[HD2 General] why_999:
What fascinating is that carriers are controlling the release of information to an extent, not HTC them selves ;

http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ne...yes-were-reviewing-so-questions-please-3.html
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Why isnt HTC updating their official site? I'm going through like every country trying to find the official product page.
[HD2 General] chris10230:
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd2/product-tour.html

official though it does keep switching to the tattoo every now and then
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Omg thanks so much. I must be really unlucky to get the tatoo everytime i load that page.

Edit: still dont get how to get to that page. When i click on product they dont show up.
[HD2 General] chris10230:
Yeh id say give it under an hour and the site will be up proper
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Engadget are touting 448mb of RAM from what they call the official spec sheet
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd2/specification.html says it got 448 Mb Ram :))
[HD2 General] why_999:
Its official it does have 448Mb RAM :D
[HD2 General] digimaz:
I downloaded the spec sheet and saw 448mb too.Maybe theres some kind of hidden calculation? Like 320+128 or something.Dont know about this kind of things. Anyone can enlighten me?

Edit: Official site says 448mb also. I'm getting happier by the minute.
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
That's great news !

I'm reading a lot of info from everywhere right now, and it keeps on getting better as I read about it :)

Something else is official : I can't wait to buy it. :D
[HD2 General] Super Chimp:
Why doesn't it say anywhere on there what it's video recording ability is?
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Now the waiting time is over for official announcement:D

Waiting time for release date starts now:o:D
[HD2 General] digimaz:
*packs and take pictures of HD: preparing to sell it*
[HD2 General] owz206:
Already lined up a buyer for my diamond, now give me a release date for this beauty :D
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Hmm, I read somewhere 720 dpi, but pls dont ask me where :o
[HD2 General] martoto:
Here is a good preview with a almost complete walk-through video (in Bulgarian):

http://translate.google.com/transla...s/view.php?id=102&sl=bg&tl=en&history_state0=

As to the device: No doubt it is powerfull, but the size and weight are enormous and I am curious how this capacitive screen will work with the tiny WM interface elements. Just look at the video, how hard is to press the close button on the upper right edge of the screen. Maybe it's too early for WinMo without stylus...
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
There was a big 'hoo haa' about this when the Xperia X1 came out, it turned out that the official statement of how much RAM the device had also included graphics RAM too.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
I close apps with my fingers.As long as the screen is flush, i think there should not be too big a problem.Anyway, there's always the newer builds of 6.5 where the close button is larger and at the bottom.
[HD2 General] prank1:
For those who are still unable to see the HTC HD2 on the www.htc.com website..

Here are a few screenshots... just to keep you going that bit longer before its properly advertised on their website ;)
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Offical site is ready :)
[HD2 General] prank1:
Yay.. forget my screenshots now lol
[HD2 General] digimaz:
I'm getting more worried by the minute as the HD2 doesnt appear on the SE-Asia site.
[HD2 General] owz206:
It's up for sale on expansys for £550 simfree with a release date of november 16th

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=188866
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
ordered :o)
[HD2 General] makeveral:
the only bad things is that there's no word about windows mobile 7 and if it will be compatible... :(
[HD2 General] digimaz:
It does meet the spec requirements of wm7. Even if htc doesnt give an official update, im sure the cooks at xda will definitely do so.
[HD2 General] makeveral:
yeah , thats true! but an oficial statement would be much better!
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
clove.co.uk had already update it's page.

price for HD2/LEO is 475GBP ex vat, first stock due to mid Nov.

price is good .

devicewire price it for 473GBP EX VAT