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[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] naplesbill:
Ok, seriously, the biggest problem with the Hero rom performance is the shell called touchflo. If you take a hero rom and use the regular home instead of touchflo the performance is night and day better. This is obviously not because of any change in the kernel (since the only change was the home shell). Based on that, I would say that HTC could improve what they collectively call Sense UI very easily by improving the shell portion of the equation.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] pcm2a:
Since my question was pointed towards the new HTC release and merging it with the current roms, that to me would seem like a DEVELOPMENT question. I also got many great answers on here that all seem like DEVELOPMENT type answers.

Right Forum. Thanks for the replies so far everyone. Hopefully we can determine if HTC released changes to the Sense UI application that the devs already had or if these are new changes (not Kernel).
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Wysie:
If Im not wrong most of the Hero builds around here are already based on 2.73, including myhero.

Also, the increase in speed is more than just the kernel. Although a scheduler like BFS can increase the performance, the 1.7x Hero builds are much slower than the 2.73. I remember one of the Hero devs saying that the 2.73 Rosie.apk is way smaller than the 1.7x one.

Anyway, just take any 1.7 Hero build and compare it to a 2.7 build, hopefully both without BFS. I'm sure you will find that Rosie is generally more responsive.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] vro25:
Wow. Where to start...

Yes, you're right - Microsoft has nothing to do with Android - I was stating an example of an App vs. an OS Kernel. You clearly missed what was a fairly obvious comparison. That make me wonder the type of person we're debating with - as it seems it's everyone against, well, you. But go ahead and stick to your guns.

My point was, kernel enhancements being done here are - for the most part - to optimize the build so it runs on inferior hardware (Dream, Magic 32B). BFS is a different beast altogether and a welcome add-on.

HTC managed to speed up Hero without resorting to BFS, this is because most speed improvements in the UI come from improvements in the Rosie.apk - hence the devs here "slimming" it down to use less memory and run better on non-Hero hardware.

Of course, that's not to say that some of the latest Hero builds aren't already using parts of this official Hero build - they all come from official Hero builds (leaked or otherwise).

The point is you are absolutely wrong in your argument that performance gains only come from kernel version increments. So you can either get over it and learn something - or you can keep arguing with everybody. Frankly I've already spent enough time on you and if you don't get it by now you probably never will so there is no point in continuing any further... But I'm sure others will probably want to have some fun at your expense if you still refuse to see the light.

I have a feeling this isn't the first time you've been corrected and I'm positive it won't be your last. As such, you shouldn't be so quick to jump on others.

Do you know the saying, "a little bit of knowledge is dangerous..."

;-)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Apollo_316:
You know, for a really good example of how it's not the kernel that determines the speed of everything, just think of how your market apps get updated all the time and how some will say *speed improvements*. The app gets updated to utilize the hardware and performance available and in turn improves its own speed better. Now the kernel does determine a great deal, but the apps are just as important with how they're coded. I would say these leaked kernel's are probably better than the new Rosie update, however there may be optimizations in the rosie ui, or other apps, that I'm sure the devs will rip or have already ripped that will continue to make our lives interesting in the coming days!

This forum is freaking amazing and you all are what make the experience here so enjoyable! Thank you all, especially you devs for making this such a great community!

~*Apollo*~
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gregers:
apoligies if these questions have been asked before.

i had an xda a few years back and joined this site and very useful it was sadly i broke the phone and until the other day thought nothing of checking in here,but last week someone gave me a hermes phone and a usb cable and thats it,now im at a loss.

i have downloaded activsync but for some reason the phone and computer will not sync or talk to one another,have tried looking through here but do not know what im meant to be searching for?.

do i need to download anything else to get it to communicate?

ive downloaded the unlocking program from here but as the phone and comp are not talking dont know what else i should be trying to do or where to look.

sorry for the ramberlings

regards gregers
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gregers:
well carried on searching this vast forum and this came up,http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=467890

and it worked, happy days .
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Fallen Spartan:
Solution found, thread closed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
hi guys

i have found a strange bugb on my tp2

the options of the XT9 is working on the keyboard input but not on the touch keyboard !!!

for the touch keyboard, all the options are On all the time ( spell correction and world completetion) even when u chose to uncheck them !!! but when u chose that they stop on the hardware keyboard :confused:

any ideas how to fix that bugg? :mad:

also the spelling correction is not working
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
I think I speak for everyone when I say this: What? :cool:

Could you try explaining your problem again please? Concrete examples or screenshots would definitely help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mesquire:
I think it's behaviour by design.

When you are typing on the keyboard, you don't want to take your hand off to tap on the screen to choose the words - it's much slower, and there is no spell correction, really, that's just word completion doing its job.

On the keyboard, it's speed typing all the way.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
thank you for replying i was waiting for a senior to see my problem:rolleyes:

i don't know how to take screenshots but i will try to explain :D

casue i really so annoyed with this bugg and another one i will tell u after u fix my problem :D

So simply, in the Xt9 setting there is 4 properties u can check them (v) or uncheck them

1- spell correction

2-World completion in xt9 mode

3-world completion in ABC mode

4- Auto-Substitution

i don't want the Auto substitute so i didn't check it

now when i use the keyboard with the xt9 every thing as it should

but when i the touch Full Qwerty its as if i didnt unckeck the Auto-Sub

its still working !!! furthermore if i tried to test it and even unckecked the world completion ..its still work in the touch Full Qwerty !! as if its not responding to what ever i chose while the actual hardwear keyboard follow whatever option in the xt9 i chose

did u got me now ?:rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
So u mean i cant stop the Auto-substitue while taping the sms using

the XT9?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
ok any way I have another problem and since the seniors r here i hope u can help me with it ..casue its more imp for me that the Xt9

its the TF sms

when i receive sms and i tap it in the TF to reply

it bring me the thread mode in TF mode also

in that screen there is menu from it u can message option

inside it is a request for delivery report

if u check it (v) its not permanent !!

if u go out and back again to that window u will find it unchecked

so to have delivery report using the TF thread mode i must check that every time i reply sms ??????

sure when i reply using the windows interface the delivery report comes normaly ( i stoped threading sms in windows using the Advanced Config)

is there a solution for that ?

some times even when i check it to have a delivery report it say sms can not be sent !!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mesquire:
There is no auto-substitute, at least not like on the iPhone. There is word suggestion function and before you finish typing the word (say, with typo error), you can tap on the suggested word to enter it, but if you finish typing the typo and you press [space], it does not replace typo with the correct word.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mesquire:
now this looks like a bug with TF3D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
but my friend, when i press space it dose replace the typo with the 2nd word he is suggesting :confused:

which allot of time i do want the typo

(thats why i wanted to uncheck the Auto-correction)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
ok here is another thing i found when i disabled the TF

in the contact list using the TF, when u select a name and then go back to the contact list ..it bring u from the start of the list :confused:

while in the normal contact list without the TF, as in my old tytn when u go back from editing a name or even checking its data to the contact list

u go back to that name in the list , not to the top of the list :(

also the fact that i can't change the soft key in the TF , and the fixed icons in the start list which can't even moved to a lower position all those r another silly things i find in the TF :confused:

i wish there is a solution for that beautiful interface buggs :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] samarrai:
no one can help yet ? :confused:
[General Questions and Answers] Rickmasta:
Hey guys. I just want to know where the email client on the windows mobile downloads the files to?

Because I'm trying to find a better/easier/faster way to transfer files from my CPU to my phone. (Feel free to suggest any).

But yeah, I get a message about the inbox won't open it cause of the type of file it is, Where is the folder that I can find those files?
[General Questions and Answers] dgaud007:
Attachments on emails are stored on \Windows\Messaging\Attachments by default, or in \Storage Card\InboxXXX...\Mail Attachments if the option was selected. Email bodies are store in \Windows\Messaging. Both emails bodies and attachments are not readable directly, so you will have to look arround a lot to find the attachment you want. However I would be extremely careful about working on those folders, or you might end up with empty text emails and/or missing attachments. Hope this helps.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Aspesi4:
Hey everyone!

I'm loving my Verizon TP2, but I'm soo nervous to drop the gorgeous device. I want to add a case to it, preferably a clear skin to prevent extra weight since it already weighs 10lbs. The problem I'm having is that all the skins so far are for the global unlocked edition. I still have the "Remove Before Use" sticker on the front since I don't want to scratch it!

Has anyone seen a skin for the CDMA version yet? How about a thin case?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gabboge:
Ghost Armor

Ghost Armor has what you are looking for. It was created from a Verizon version so it should work great. I believe it is better that the invisible shield because it doesn't have that orange peel type surface which I hate. better quality too.

here are some video shots of it being hit by a weed eater.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKYgrfv-qRQ

check out the other vids as well...

-Tim
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] nylaw:
Dumb question. This is my first flat screen as I am coming from a 6800 which had a frame around the screen. Your choices are full body and screen only. Does screen only mean the entire front top to bottom or it just fits over the touch screen area? I am thinking that would look like kaka but the site isn't clear.

I have been using Invisible Shield for a while. I don't like the mat finish so much so this looks like it is made out of the same material but with a different finish.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gabboge:
Ghost Armor

The screen only is just that... Only the screen. no border or anything else.

The entire kit has been die cut for the sides and back as well. On my G1 phone there was even a piece for the charging flap.

Also it is not the same material as the invisible shield or any of those other brands. They use the same material as the invisible bra that people can buy and put on their cars. This material is used for helicopter blades and has a different make up and feel all together. I personally wont use anything else.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] football0552:
anyone else used Ghost Armor?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Nuar:
Well I was about to oder the ghost armor for my verizon tp2 and it seems they dont cary it anymore??

The link you provided suddenly changed to GSM version of the skin...

Quoting from the website...

"**Please Note: This product fits the European version, not the T-Mobile or the Verizon."
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gabboge:
Yeah I just noticed that myself. I will call my buddy and ask when the real deal will be ready to ship. to me personally it is worth the wait.

I will post when I find out.

-Tim
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] football0552:
THat's odd, from what I've seen the CDMA version is the same shape as the International GSM version. I thought T-mobile was the only one who messed with the shape
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
I think it is...essentially. The difference is that the phones that have the 3.5mm headphone jack (T-mobile, Verizon) have the usb connector offset to the left, and that whole area at the bottom of the phone is slightly wider.

That's also the reason why the TP2 specific cradles and active car mounts don't fit either.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] californiarailroader:
The T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 doesn't have a 3.5 mm headphone jack, none of the GSM versions do, only the CDMA Models.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gabboge:
SKINS

I was Reading another Forum and someone had found out the hard way that the American Version is slightly wider and the usb port is offset slightly. The International unlocked gsm version will NOT work with your T-Mobile Phone.

-Tim
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
Apologies...shouldn't have spoken without looking closer. Good to know it won't fit before I ordered one...still bummed VZ didn't put SOMETHING in the kit for screen protection. Shoot...the one I had on my ATT Fuze lasted a year!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] californiarailroader:
Yep, I had a Fuze too, that was a really good one that came with it! It's weird, my T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 came with a screen protector and headphones, but not an extra stylus, but my Verizon Touch Pro 2 came with no screen protector or headphones, but an extra stylus. I remember getting both with my Fuze and Tilt, man these companies are getting chincy!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
Yeah - no case, headphones or screen protector in the VZ one. AND, to top it off, the wall charger is ALSO the stinking USB cable...so I have to go buy a second charger so I can leave one at home in the wall socket and keep the USB cable in my laptop bag! That didn't impress me very much.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] californiarailroader:
The T-Mobile one comes with the same set up. They did include a case, though it has no belt clip or anything on it, it's more like a wallet for the TP2 and less like a case.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Nuar:
Ladies and gents Ghost Armor CDMA is back :)

Placed my order already lol

http://www.ghost-armor.com/htc/htc-...tors-shields-skins-covers-armor/prod_278.html
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] N!njaDuck:
They added a 2.5 mm headphone jack plug and shifted the USB port over. They are not the same. I have both.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
Sweet - just placed mine too.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Aspesi4:
Does anyone have any experience with Ghost Armor an resistive touch screen devices? How does the material feel when swiping your finger/stylus across? Is it "sticky" and impair your ability for quick motions? I've heard BodyGuardz has the best feel to it. Just curious to get your opinions.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Nuar:
I havent used ghost armor before, in fact i havent heard of it untill after the verizon TP2 came out lol.

I had invisible shield and I loved it, but didnt like the "sticky" feel you're describint at first. I got use to it though and didnt mind it after a while.

The ghost armor skin supposedly eliminates the orange peel look, thats why I want to try it.

I'll post back with pics if you'd like to show how it looks on TP2 once I get it in and installed.

Hopefully thats soon, i'm sick of looking at "Remove before use" across my screen lol.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] blahbleus:
For those who have placed orders, are you guys ordering the "Screen Only" version or the "Full Body" version?

And, can anyone speak to whether the "Full Body" version is a good idea? i.e. worth the extra cost?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Aspesi4:
Do you think you'll trust just the skin on your phone or are you guys putting a case on after? Will the skin protect the same as with a case? A guess a drop is a dent no matter what. Right? I just don't want to add the extra heft to an already large phone!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
Full Body here...this will be a first for having anything other than just screen covering, but my brother has had good luck with his BB and having it covered on all sides. My Fuze, on the other hand, has obviously not been covered. :o

For me, it will be the only cover. I keep my phone in a ProClip vehicle mount (waiting ever so impatiently for the VZ TP2 version) - as I did with my Tilt and Fuse - so any sort case other than the pouches make that difficult to use. When I'm not in the car, I've always had crappy luck with anything on my belt - a clip, pouch, whatever - I always catch it on stuff. And since I work in construction, it's not often I'm in a spot that having it catch and fall is going to be a good thing (like 50 feet up on a caged ladder, etc). So I always wear carpenter style jeans (Carhartt double fronts) and keep the phone in the right side leg pocket. It slips in there, stays in there, and doesn't stick out very far. Again, I've been doing this for years, and it's the best spot and quick access for me...and well protected.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Nuar:
I ordered the full body skin.

If theyre anything like the invisible shield, let me assure you that the skin is all you will need for protection. However i do recommend a leather pouch for daily carry.

All the plastic cases or rubber covers you put on the phone, let dust and small sand grains get trapped between the case and the device and scratch it up more then if there was nothing "protecting" it at all.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] helirob:
I have the Sprint TP2 and it came with a screen protector, spare stylus, and USB/charger. No pouch, no headphones, which surprises me considering that all of my other Sprint PDAs came with all of those items. I guess they figure now that they gave us the headphone jack, we don't need a pair of USB headphones.

Back to topic. The included screen protector is nice and fits TIGHT! but the lack of a pouch concerns me. For those of you that have installed the full body skin, I'd love a review and pictures.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gabboge:
Review

I would recommend getting the full body cover, which is what I am ordering right now. It doesn't add any bulk and adds quite a bit of protection. It will not help much against drops but scratches will be a thing of the past. One guy used a weed eater on a phone and everything buffed out fine! I will give a video review after I receive mine.

For those of you who have not ordered my buddy who owns the site told me to give you a 10% off Discount code. 20081407 It will only work for a few weeks so if your on the fence order now!!!

-Tim
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] aaronpoweruser:
would someone mind ordering hte bodyskins best skins ever and or phantomskoinz so we can compare them
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Nuar:
I went on phantomskinz site but i didnt find a cdma touch pro 2 skin...
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] football0552:
Tim, i'm not going to flame you if you do, you'd just be doing your job, but do you work for ghost armor?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] bigkiskewl:
Gost-armor.com code...10% off..

20081407

:D

I have never ordered one, but going to try it :)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] mmmhhh86:
I think the position of the rear speakers and their openings are different too
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
Got mine yesterday in the mail...putting it on today.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] skyguy04:
How does the front look compared to Bodyguardz? I just watched this review and he mentioned it might not be as good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hli1pSZV2g0&feature=channel
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] bigkiskewl:
Hurry up...I want a review before I buy :)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] sqlmotoq:
i have Ghost Armor on my TP2 and I Love it as a screen protector. I chose to go with a 2 piece skin from EBAY as the overall case which I also love. My husband accidentally knocked my phone out of my hand while we were in Lowes shopping. It fell on to hard concrete and it was in this case with the Ghost Armor screen protector and it had no scratches or issues at all afterwards. The case had no scratches either. The case totally protected it 100%. As for as the feel of it on the screen it is very responsive and slick to the touch as least to me. No complaints at all. And to top it off GhostArmor accidentally sent me the GSM version and told me to keep it as a gift for their mistake. So I have not put the actual Verizon version on my TP2 as of yet because this one worked so well I saw no need to right away. The only difference was the hole at the top which was hidden behind the skin so it worked out that I basically got 2 screen protectors for the price of one. So I for one wil have no other case/screen protector on mine LOL:D:)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] CIPuyleart:
Just put it on - still waiting for it to fully dry, but using it nonetheless.

I really, really like the screen cover. It's not "sticky" at all - not like the zagg cover I put on my wife's BB over the weekend. It went on super easy - using a little shot of the spray they give you keeps it from prematurely sticking in the wrong spot and made it much easier to get in place without bubbles or smudges. I did manage to get one piece of lint under it, but its small and not noticeable. So far, I am very satisfied with the screen protector part of it.

As for the parts that cover the rest of the device (sides and back) - they jury is out. I don't like how the little strips that go around the slider sides of the device "feel" in my hand - the edges of them are not comfortable to me. I'm going to try to keep them on for the day at least, but I don't think it's going to happen. The large cover for the back of the device is nice - in part because it isn't cut up into a bunch of small pieces/edges, so I will probably leave it in place to offer the back some protection since the device will spend a lot of time on it's back on my desk (which DESTROYED the faceted back on the Fuze). One thing I notice - as with all of these "film" protectors, they have to be cut out at the corners to wrap around the device and for me, the corners tend to be the spots that get abused the most. But I can't stand using belt clip or case, so I just live with the abuse.

I guess my summary breakdown (purely subjective) would be:

Screen Cover = 9/10 (10 is perfect, and that's just not possible :rolleyes:)

Back Cover = 7/10 (nice fit/feel, corners exposed, but covers most of the back)

Slider Side Covers = 3/10 (do their job, but little edges everywhere are uncomfortable and awkward - and a bit of a PITA to get on)

If I were to buy this again (and I would), I'd opt for just the screen cover. I can always buy another back battery cover down the road if I were to scratch mine up too bad.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] Jas0nMack:
The Zagg version is finally available.

Verizon

Sprint
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] rolandroland:
Thanks for the review, I am going to order one. Though I am still debating just screen or not.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] bigkiskewl:
Humble1,

Thanks for the review, I went ahead and ordered the full skin...I will give it a try, figured for $10 more :)