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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quarintus:
NO, the timer is hardware related. The information isn't in the ROM. So a hard reset won't take it away.

At least, not with any software. (you could make a rom that hides this info, but it wouldn't actually reset it).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] stoutseun:
These is a way to do this actually. It was discussed a while back in the Kaiser section, so take on the search facility there...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kidvi:
its not to sell the phone as new. i was giving a try of the tmobile service, and saw that it's not for me. when i spoke with the people at the dealership, they told me i would just pay for what i use if i return th ephone. looking at their return policy online though, it looks like they might charge me $125 because i used more than 30 mins on the phone.

just to avoid any hassles, i wanted to reset it

i was reading how to do it for a kaiser but wasnt sure if that would work for the rhodium, and didn't want to eff up a phone that i'm sending back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bonevbs:
As many of you are probably aware, Windows Mobile 6.5 or as M$ calls it lately, Windows Phone 6.5 is only a stepping stone on the way to a real mobile OS designed for fingerfriendly devices.

WinMo 6.5 is actually in many terms only a "visual" upgrade of WinMo 6.1 which makes WinMo more fingerfriendly and makes it look more sexy but in the end, it's still Windows Mobile as we know it. (If you disagree just look at the calender application in 6.5 :()

What Microsoft is preparing to fight Android, Blackberry OS 5.0 and iPhone OS is Windows Phone 7. Rumors have it that it will be designed from the ground up and will be designed from the beginning for the use on touchscreen devices, designed for input using nothing but your finger. Windows Phone 7 and 6.5 will be marketed parallel, meaning high-end devices will get Windows Phone 7 and lower-end devices will get the 6.5 version.

So what has it all to do with the Rhodium ROM forunm ?

Simple: Since the Rhodium is pretty much a (very)high-end device I am aware that many people will want to use Windows Phone 7 on it, once it is released. You may say: the relese of Windows Phone is due in 2010 and thats a long, long time from now, but most people buy phones to use them at least 2 years and the Touch Pro 2 being such a great device I can easily imagine sticking to it for even longer. (There arent many similiar phones at the time which offer the same build-quality, the same high-res screen or the great 5-row qwerty in one package, and I guess I am lucky if there is 1 new device like this on the market every year.)

But now to my question. Since those rumours say Windows Mobile 7 will be built from the ground-up, do you guys think it will be possible to get this working on the Rhodium ?

I know a lot of this will be speculation but I want to know your opinion.

If the kernel is completely new will it run on the Rhodium ? Will there be any1 even interested in 1-2 years porting this to the Rhodium ?? etc, etc:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Enlefo:
As I understand it's still a very long way of, Q4 2010, which means it could easily end up being Q2 2011 or something. Haven't seen any screen shots or really solid info. I'm better it will be quite some time before we see a TP2 rom based on WM7, or I guess WP7.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dalamak:
In true MS style (now don't get me wrong I'm an MS guy all the way, forget mac, forget linux, forget android, I only use win Mo, and win OS), I'm sure that when 7 drops you're gonna need snap dragon processor or better, just like when 6.5 finally droped most 6.1 mobiles could run it, but not very well. infact ngrz28 ROm on the tp2 is the first device/6.5 rom that it actaully ran smooth on.

back in the day, it use to be the The Software was tryin to keep up with the hardware, then it became the hardware trying to keep up with the the software (say crysis 2 ms os...etc).. But the truth is it will always be the software tryin to keep up with with the software, beacause the hardware companies, intel,TI,SYsop, only release the hardware that has been already developed , and moth balling, when the software has caught up enough... MS ain't **** without Intel, its a sysmbosis between the hardwae developers and the software developers, and a Conspiriousy. Long story short the release of a winmo 7 would me you have to upgrade your hardware, so lets worry about getting the most out of 6.5 and enjoying it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] futty:
when i bought my tp2 last night the guy at the tmobile store said i can upgrade to windows 7 but i wont have my favs cuz tmobile doesnt support windows 7. JUST A FYI.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Antonius123:
here some pic`s ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dalamak:
the people at T-mobile, will tell u anything.

check this example, I always just call Tmobile, tell the the phone I want and it goes on my account. I called for the TP2, and the guy said we have it can ship today, but if u go to a T-mo store they can break the payments up so I don't have to pay the full $400 something price on the next bill worse case secanario I'd have to pay the fist payment on in at the store., I said ok, let me check this out if nothing else I'll get the phone today. went to my local T-mobile store, guy said I had to pay 300 something today and and that I had had a 120 dollar credit, and that would be split over the next 4 bills. I said Peace and got my phone 2 days later no money outta pocket?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] IseeBrickedPhones:
Windows Phone (Moible) 7 only runs on two processors - Snapdragon from Qualcomm and Terga from Nvidia.

In 7 there is a concept of a Chassis - A defined hardware specification which is consistant across all 7.x devices. This will allow MS to brings high end computing (read Xbox) to Moible devices.

http://www.engadget.com/tag/windows+mobile+7+chassis+1/

In Short... The only device which is public today and capable of running 7 is the Zune HD. No other hardware in market has the defined spec 7 needs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rico84:
I did the exact same thing on 8/12. I called a local store and they told me about the $120 credit and that I didn't have to pay out of pocket if I ordered it from the 800 number. So the guy put the order through for me and all i had to do was call t-mo and tell them to ship it. I asked them about the $120 credit and they told me that instead of paying the whole 400 it could be broken up. 270 something on next bill and 40 on the following 3 bills. I received the phone on 8/14 and still haven't started to pay the for phone yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] futty:
i didnt care i just wanted a new phone i hated the dash3g. but i should of known he didnt know crap of what he was talking about cuz he tried to tell me about skyfire but instead said a different named LoL
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dalamak:
I don't understand there end game, I'd rather have it put on my my next next bil via the phone order, cause I over paid this bill, and I'll pay the balance next bill, u don't get any advantage going to the store, At&t use to put everything on my bill, even assecories when I went to the store
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dalamak:
I agree, if I hadn't bought an unlocked a Fuze, I would have stood on my head to get what I wanted LOL.

No but seriously, I grabbed the G1 when T-mobile dopped it, hacked it, finally bricked it beta'ing for JF, sold it, and bought an older Glofiish to to have the Winmo back, but I'm use to having my hardware put on the account, a couple of days wait ain't gonna kill me
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Thanks for the shots, but it's pretty ugly! I guess I would have to see how it looks ON my Rhodium.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] slimsuse:
personally, I FREAKIN want wp7... get the touch phone what it was meant to be, touch, with winmo....

hey Heavy C, how do u like FutureROM? Thinking about trying it....

Thoughts?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Sent you a PM...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
I am not too much worried as i will probably be using Touch Pro 3 or 4 by then ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bonevbs:
hmm

hehe yea.. .

but anyway if they say WinMo Chassis is Tegra or Snapdragon, in 2010/2011 those will be pretty antique by then i guess...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sleonard:
I just got the TMo TP2 on a new 2 yr contract. I'll be sticking with it and 6.1/6.5 until I'm a free agent again. Then I'll be looking for a TP3 powered by the Snapdragon 2 and WinMo 7.5. Or maybe wait out a 3rd year for the TP4 and WinMo 8.

S
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
By the time it is out, the TP2 will be old news at a guess.

Never the less I'm sure devs here will give it there best efforts to run it on as many devices as possible. Until we actually start seeing Win Mo 7 builds tip up, we arn't going to know.

P.S. I wouldn't take those screen shots as much, have you seen the number of changes to the 6.5 UI in the last month?

Thanks

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bonevbs:
Yes, and actually I just think theyre conceptual, made in Photoshop...(I'm a grafics artist myself and do things like that too..)

The shot with the Office in it looks like if a shot of Office on PC was taken and scaled down to fit into it...

aspect ratio just aint right...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lovelldr:
Plus, if they're meant to be making it more finger friendly, that version of office definately does not look finger friendly to me... lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bonevbs:
yea :D looks even unfriendly for input via the pen
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MadBeef:
Another thing I saw on this was WM7 spec mandates an electronic compass like the iphone has, TP2 doesn't have that. Although IIRC that was only 1 spec and there may be others published. And it's still all early days and rumours anyway.

Given that we already know MS are going to be continuing WM6.x and WM7 at the same time, they'd be stupid not to up the minimum spec of WM7 to the best available at the time of release. If not for wow factor then for longeivity of the platform.

But you never know what the clever guys on this forum can do - electronic compass could be faked in software maybe like a GPS, dunno if snapdragon / tegra have extra instruction sets (think MMX, SSE etc) that could make a TP2 port next to impossible. I imagine gfx chipset will be tastier for a start but if that's a driver then maybe one can be hacked to emulate the new chipset features in software etc ... MS usually provide a total software renderer.

But any potential team working on this could spend months just to realise the TP2 will never handle it, and let's face it the TP2 CPU is by no means the latest and greatest.

I'm happy with EnergyROM WM6.5 right now :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skyler17:
T-mobile will

never

offer an official upgrade for WinMo7 for the TP2. Ever.

The sales rep did not know what he was talking about.

Its a bummer that there are people like that in the world that get your hopes up, no?

~

~

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In addition, WimMo7 is going to be built off of a new version of Windows CE. I can guarantee that, like the upgrade from xp to vista, WimMo7 will require much heavier-duty hardware. In fact, recent rumors have indicated that to qualify as a WinMo7 phone, a cutting edge chipset like Tegra or Snapdragon is required.

Even if WinMo7 was somehow ported to the TP2, it would be incredibly laggy and slow. The Qualcomm chipset in the TP2 won't be able to handle the workload of the operating system.

I would say that the difficulty of porting WinMo7 to the TP2 *fully operational* would be just as difficult, if not more difficult, as porting Android to the TP2 (which has not happened, due to the amount of effort and time required.)

Bottom line:

Don't get your hopes up for WinMo7 on the TP2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bonevbs:
hmm... I guess WinMo 6.5.1 is our Final Destination then...

Or maybe the Android port to Rhodium becomes reality.......
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
Not that I can see in the future (well, I'm working on it dammit!), but it's possible that WP7 will run on our TP2 but not that well with a stock ROM. Maybe our great chefs can trim the fat and make it run fairly decent?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] slimsuse:
hell, I will buy a new machine just to run WP7, for now, i just want the official wm6.5 to hit the shelves!! UGH!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NRGZ28:
Actually WinMo7 is in development at MS as we speak and select people have gotten their hands on a couple alpha's. I've seen it running on TP and it's ugly as hell right now, as the major UI components haven't even been developed yet. So WHEN it does come out, I'm sure we'll be able to flash our TP2's with it. But as of now.. it's a far faaaar from finished, or even beta status :) It's pretty obvious MS is busy with Maldives (6.5.1) and they're getting it ready for the new crop of devices due out the beginning of next year :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dalamak:
if u like Titanium, it looks Great!

I personally like Manilla, and am more then happy with 2.1

Same way I stuck with DOS 5.0 long after windows dropped, same way I stuck with XP long after Vista Dropped, Newer isn't always better..... that is tilll These XDA's get through with it!!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dalamak:
This man here is a god in my EYES!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bryancruise:
This quote makes the most sense. The big limiting factor is going to be the graphic accelerator. In order to really compete with the iPhone, the graphical capabilities must be beefed up. The Touch Pro 2 only has the core cpu for processing general instructions as well as the graphics (think OEM PC's with shared video memory).

As to whether or not the hardware will be able to support it, I believe it will be possible for the Touch Pro 2 to run WM 7, it just isn't going to be a worthwhile experience (think Linux installations on a toaster).

Besides, the fact that WM 7 will support capacitive touch screens and the Touch Pro 2 is definately NOT a cap touch screen device, there is reason enough for the upgrade (unless you're one of the people who pretend it doesn't bother you).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] imperiallight:
What about the snapdragon TG01?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kshakir80:
zune hd? i thought thats a mp3 player?! i once had a wm7 replica on my old tilt and it worked great with widgets flyin around and it wasnt a wisbar or nething but, jus thought i say something! =)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] EvangelEA:
it is. but it's also the only device confirmed to have a Tegra in it IIRC.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] elazullizard:
Well, imperiallight is correct; the TG01 does have a Snapdragon processor. I'm fairly certain that the TG01 would be our best bet for a WM7 upgrade. After all, the main gripes that critics had with it was its byzantine interface. However, we would probably be able to run WM7 on the Rhodium (I know that 6.5 ran perfectly well on my old Wing, and it had half the specs that were required) once it is in beta. Oh, also, those pictures are just mockups, sorry everyone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cdmoore74:
This really applies to my verizon family plan but if windows mobile 7 was to come out in 6 months then this would be a valid question or even a requirement to have 7 on the TP2. But with my plan I can upgrade the primary line at upgrade pricing once a year . I have been with verizon for about 13 months on a 2 year plan and waited for the TP2 or ominia 2 to break loose. My vx6900 was used on a daily basis and even with a good aluminum hard case it still showed small cracks, paint wear and the battery is on it's last legs. The TP2 is actually cheaper with my employee discount plan ($250-$100=$150) vs the vx6900 at $169 when I first got it. We can only prey that when winmo 7 comes out that premium hardware will be in the $150 to $300 range on contract. I'm willing to pay that amount and keep my old phones as hand me downs or backup units for the family.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
nvidia

I have to say if microsoft gives us Win phone 7 with the nvidia chip, it would shut up alot of apple folks. Say what you want about the iphone but it is a great device. Like them all it has good and bad! I sold my touch hd and used an iphone 3gs until the TP2 came out. I always loved to hate on the iphone until i used it for a few weeks. I still find myself taking it most days.

I hope Win phone 7 will be the game changer?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Marcus Tavares:
I might be possible. But as I heard WM7 will work on multi-touch device as well (something not supported by TP2). So it will be better to buy a upcoming high-end device with WM7 inside when it will be released.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] frenchie746:
A friend of mine knows someone that is working in the mobile dept. for M$. He said they have loaded it onto a TP2 being its probably one of the most high end phones on the market right now, and its working very smooth from what he tells me.

Just because it will have support for capacitive screens, doesn't mean it wont run on the TP2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
That's true. After all, Microsoft needs devices for testing, and there's almost no devices with capacitive screens available yet.

But Microsoft will also require capacitiye screens for any WM7 device. This could mean that they're going to remove support for resistive screens, but it doesn't have to.

Anyway, can your friend ask for any (inofficial) timeframe for WM7? Is RTM still planned for April 2010?

I'd so much like to try one of those beta builds that are already out there somewhere.

Hope that someone will leak one soon - I'd buy whatever device it's running on, just to be able to try it out ;).

EDIT:

Ahh, I missed your post. So those builds are not even beta yet... well, that makes an April 2010 release somewhat unlikely. Do you have any infos or at least an opinion on this?

Are you able to tell us more about how those alpha builds look, feel and work?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Actually, from what I hear, WinMo 7 is done. They are just "waiting" to release it. I've heard of people having used it via emulator & confirming it will not work on current devices (including TP2) without MAJOR tweaking.

BTW, the following video displays WM7 in action a few times...

The video is for Software + Services, but you'll see a few people using WM7 Devices.

Download Here (11.3 MB)

EDIT:

Those pictures are not Mockups. The general looks shown in those pics, including the softkey bar, has been displayed in a couple OFFICIAL MS advertisement videos. This is a confirmation that the leaked shots are REAL.

PS: Those who may be wondering why there's no ATI chipset, that's because when AMD bought ATI out they sold the Moble Graphics Department to QaulCOM so Snapdragon is the ATI chipset, just under QualCOM now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nex7er:
Not mockups? Lol, they are from PointUI...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Did you watch the video? Guessing not.... Now maybe there are screen shots floating around from PointUI, but the ones I see in THIS thread are the leaks ones I've seen all over the place since before 6.5 was even thought about, which are also confirms in another Official MS Video displaying the Titanium Like Today Screen for a few seconds.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Odd because in the video WinMo 7's running on the X1 and TP - as far as I can tell. Neither of these will support Windows Mobile 7 by MS's own HW requirements for Win Mo 7.

Neither are getting an offical Win Mo 6.5 update. I can't see why MS would put Windows Phone 7 on these phones just for an ad. I think the images have been PP'd in.

Dae
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nex7er:
What video?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4448771&postcount=5 Those shots are from Point UI, however.

Actually, in the MS video, all I saw was a fictional OS. Kinda like the OS' used in tv-shows. Lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drkfngthdragnlrd:
No they are not, let's compare PointUI to those screen shots that I found over 1 yrs ago.

@ Dave

The original Video has it displayed on a Diamond. They probably severly stripped it just to get it on there or did some video editing using Emulation screen shots. There's a XDA member who has it, but can't say names.

Google is your friend, simple 5 sec search...

Windows Mobile 7 Caught on Video

Windows Mobile 7 in Live Mesh Ad

PS: WM7 supports Multi Touch & has a full 3D UI like Windows Vista & Windows 7. This is why the hardware specs are so strict. Now this doesn't stop M$ from using current devices as Test beds. You need to test the OS on an actual device, not just in emulation. Not to mention, I am sure M$ can get custom made Capacitive Touch screens & write the drivers needed to run it on current device strictly for testing purposes. Granted it's run slow, but it would run. from what I've heard WM7 is ready for release. The hold up is waiting for the Hardware required for it to come out. M$ also probably has some test prototypes of these to test it on, but only got them recently as Snapdragon & nVidia chipsets are new. I believe in doing my own research & getting as much information as I can to come to my own conclusion than just believing what ever I read. This being said, I have been following WM7 ever since the first leaks over a yr ago. Also, notice the UI changes in 6.5.1. They are from WM7 from what we see in these leaks. The Pivot for one & Start Button on the Softkey Bar. Granted there are some changes as they can only do so much skinning the existing WM6 core.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bilal_:
Maybe it will come out on the touch pro 3 :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] drkfngthdragnlrd:
Maybe, I'm hoping TP3 or at least 4 end up having the dual core 1.5 Snapdragon.

Snapdragon by Qualcomm

The single-chip, dual-CPU QSD8672™ includes most of the above features, in addition to:

Dual CPUs, up to 1.5 GHz for faster response and processing

Low-power 45nm process technology for higher integration and performance

Higher-resolution WSXGA (1440 x 900) display support

High-definition (1080p) video recording and playback

Support for HSPA+ networks - 28 Mbps downloads and 11 Mbps uploads

Supports CDMA2000 1X, 1xEV-DO Rel 0/A/B networks

Improved 3D graphics - up to 80M triangles/sec and 500M+ 3D pixels/sec
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bilal_:
It keeps getting better and better. :D

With the contract I have, I can get a new phone for free or very cheap every 8 months. Bought my touch pro 2 for 25 euro in Juli 2009 and can extend it in March 2010. Every time I extend my contract I get more discount, so when the tp3 comes out...:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Marcus Tavares:
The important question would be: who will be the first chef to cook a ROM with WM7? I guess TP2 will be able to run it as Kaiser run 6.5.:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwizzy130:
I have my money on no2chem.

dwizzy130
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bilal_:
I hope so. :)