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[Touch Pro2 CDMA] trogdor1138:
Sometimes that's the whole point: cost your provider more money. When my wife and I switched to Sprint, we still had 4 or 5 months to our AT&T contract, and since we just missed their pro-rated cancellation fee change, they want to charge us $350 for early cancellation. I still haven't paid that fee, and I'll have to see if I can talk it down to at least match their current pro-rating policy.

I tried to force roaming to jack their cost up to keep my account active and therefore cancel my account sans fees. This is at least one reason for forced roaming. Unfortunately, I live in a somewhat metropolitan area, so AT&T has a strong signal, and the only other GSM provider is T-Mobile. Although it it possible to roam on T-Mobile, I believe that it depends on programming of the SIM card and/or network and works only where AT&T has no coverage but T-Mobile does. In other words, I'm pretty sure no registry hack will allow roaming on networks where the issuing carrier's signal is determined to be strong enough.

Unfortunately, your phone may be determining that the signal is strong enough, so it won't roam over to a different network, even if your real-world performance is shoddy.

Feel free to correct me, anybody, if any of this is incorrect.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] foxmeister:
Notionally correct, however the GSM 3G standards, UMTS and HSDPA, actually use W-CDMA (Wideband Code Division Multiple Access) rather than TDMA.

Regards,

Dave
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] hchavarria:
When I had my Tilt I was able to use data and voice at the same time, I work in IT and I used to be on a call via bluetooth or speaker phone and using VPN + RDP or VNC all the time and depending on what you do with the phone it's actually very common. I do this with my Fuze as well. My iPhone (jailbroken) has this function too.

As far as service related issues I suppose it all depends on your area. I opened an account with Sprint when the Pre came out and that only lasted 10 days, I was receiving very poor signal coverage in my area (South Florida) and in my home and office I did not get any service. With AT&T on the other hand I have full bars all the time. I also terminated after I found out that due to a CDMA limitation I could not do data and voice at the same time. I'm not knocking Sprint down it just was not for me.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] jobobusa:
After reading many of these comments, my experience with Sprint has been far from this. From horrible customer service, to no cell phone service, to even the Airave dropping calls. I've had multiple issues with Sprint. I've had a great monthly rate, but that shouldn't make it ok to treat a customer as being worthless. I got that great plan by being a loyal customer for about a decade and getting small perks with each contract renewal.

Customer service used to be a hit or miss (50/50) based on who answered the phone. It appeared that some employees who likely only had a GED were now taking the opportunity to harass/bully those that have educated themselves. Now-a-days, I would have to say that about 90% of the employees act in such rude behavior.

In the end, I'm willing to pay a bit more to be treated as a decent human being than to have a cheaper plan and be treated like feces.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] captobie:
So much AT&T bashing, I just have to throw my $0.02 in. Here where I live (NW WA state) I have terrific AT&T service. I have an AT&T Fuze and always have 4 or 5 bars of 3G service (at home, at work, and around town). Download speeds average around 1 mbps. That said, my employer provides my phone and they are switching to Sprint next month. I'll be getting a TP2 and am a bit anxious about the service. Here's hoping that Sprint provides as good coverage as AT&t does in these parts. :)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] quezpr123:
Go Big Red!!!:cool:
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] hdbueller:
Best of luck to you.....Sprint sucks!!!! I have never been treated so rudely by someone whom I send money to for a service! My son has finally had enough of them too after 11+ years of service! I dumped them several years ago, and believe it or not, they have actually gotten worse since then. AT&T is not perfect, but at least they will take care of a problem if you treat them with courtesy.

Just my 2 cents worth....... Later
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] starscalling:
i'm knocking it. Sprint, that is. Ive no use for them - I had to spend literally 7 hours to get them to honor contractual obligations. And while i re-evaluated, i realized a few things.

a. ditching old #

b. flashing to metropcs

that is all.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] popularbelief420:
Sprint vs The World

I have been blessed with free Sprint service as a proud employee for 4 years.

Before joining Sprint I had a high end Verizon PDA. I am going to try and avoid sounding like a Sprint fanboy when I say this but the coverage spoke for itself.

When me and my friends went camping and I had a brick PPC6700 they marveled I had data in the woods.

Jump a few years ahead when I had my HTC Diamond and a friend had a (drum roll) iPhone, we decided to do the data test again. Low and behold a few years later my phone not only has data but a crisp 3.0mbps downlink speed (via mobilespeedtest). Now on my 3rd HTC Device I have learned much more about different carriers data speeds and which phone would be best for the future of wireless. I have great faith in 4G/WIMAX seeing my data card blow away Time Warner. I look forward to 4G embedded HTC Phones too. All is fair in love & war. AT&T has a big stretch to catch up to Sprint's 4G network.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] lundrog:
+1 sprint, and TP2.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] dkdontforget:
im not sure if u can but i know that you can on gsm becuse 3g voice on gsm is using WCDMA and wdcma is gsm its not part of cdma so if theres 3g in your area and your on it ur on wcdma so thats just voice so no data connection required and i have noticed on tmobile that when im on a call my 3g speeds are a lil slower the reason i dont like cdma tho is 1 because of no v&d and 2 when you do start to lose signal in places it starts sounding digitalised and to the point where you hear every other word and thats with only cdma ppl so vzw sprint and metro pcs but when i talk to someone on att or tmobile or when im on a call and i drive pass a dead zone ill get 1 or 0 bars and they will sound clear then the call will completely drop if it does the only thing i like about cdma in US is coverage and data
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] BennTech:
AT&T and Sprint hopping

Me & my wife originally started up with Sprint back in the 90's. Never had much complaint about service until I bought a house in San Antonio, TX. I work from home & cell is my work #. Unfortunately, despite many bars, calls never went through or constantly dropped. Struggled with it for years, then finally dropped Sprint for AT&T.

AT&T service was great. Used my Tilt tethered to laptop while on the phone all the time. Only complaint was getting reamed by AT&T prices.

But then years later my wife opened up her medical office. AT&T had no signal (literally none) inside her office, while Sprint worked fine, so she switched. Also, Sprint apparently added towers around our house over the years because she never has problems with calls @ home now.

Meanwhile, I'm her IT guy so I'm always at her office working & missing calls from my paying clients, so I waited until our AT&T contract was up last month & just switched back to Sprint.

Price wise, Sprint is only $100 for unlimited while AT&T is 50% more, clocking in @ $150 for unlimited. So, I'm happy there.

Then I found this thread and just realized that I can't do simultaneous voice & data with Sprint. Aaaaaahhhhhh!!!! What have I done??!? I've just screwed myself because now if I'm out and a client calls, I can't just grab my phone & laptop and troubleshoot a their servers/PCs while I'm on the phone with them. Hell, that even explains why I sometimes have voicemail even though I didn't miss a call--apparently I did miss a call because I was using my data connection briefly to update weather, surf the web, etc.. Again...AAAaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!

Plus, this screws me for a new full-time job I'm starting. It's a programming gig, all working remotely. Thought I could program from anywhere just using my phone & laptop, i.e., in the car, on the beach, etc.. Now I can't because CDMA can't do simul voice/data. AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!! :eek:
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] colorado_al:
Dude,

No voice and data at the same time sucks, but there is an easy work around that will also save you money! Just take a deep breath! You're in IT right? Ever heard of SKYPE?

Just get a SKYPE OUT account for $30/year. Use it when you need to be online and use voice at the same time. You can even use it direct from your phone with SKYPE for WindowsMobile. I do, and I'm able to drop my voice plan to 450 minutes and unlimited data = $69/month! So, in one month, you pay for your SKYPE OUT account, and then save $30/month for 11 months.

Use an app called audioRoute (search here for it) to route the speaker for SKYPE to your earpiece.

Simple, and it saves me over $300/year!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] BennTech:
Skype is not the solution

Yeah, I know Skype, but that gets too convoluted. What if someone calls my mobile when I happen to be using data for just a minor weather update? I guess I could always forward all my calls to Skype, but then none of my phone features will work, like Voice Command announcing the incoming call (one of my favorite features), voicemail & missed call messages, call logs, NetCallerID, etc.. What about the phone's external indicator lights? If I miss a call or have voicemail, do the indicator lights blink? If not, then that means I have to constantly remember to turn on my phone and go to Skype to check if I missed a call from some frantic client whose servers are down whenever I randomly stepped away from my phone. Plus, now I'm responsible for checking/maintaining 2 voicemail accounts on the same phone. And what about Bluetooth headsets & my car's Parrot? I've used apps like AudioRoute to route audio to Bluetooth, but when it comes to answering VOIP calls, can I answer calls directly with my headset or car kit? Or do I have run to the other room to grab my phone despite the fact that I have the headset on my ear, or even worse, try to pull my phone out of my pocket or bag while driving the highway @ 70MPH? What the hell is the point of my hands-free car kit or headset then?

In addition to these problems with incoming calls, I need to make sure I always use Skype for outgoing calls so I can use the data connection if I need it. E.g., I call a client and while I'm on the phone with them, they need me to troubleshoot something, or I call a friend and I need to look up an address, movie times, etc.. So what about dialing contacts? Can I dial directly from any of the various contact managers like SPB Mobile Shell or Manilla's Favorites? Last I heard (albeit years ago), the answer is no--you have to dial from the VOIP app. Consequently, that means no more Voice Command for hands-free dialing, no dialing numbers straight from text messages or web pages, etc..

Dude, this is getting too complicated and crippling. You know what would be easier? SIMULTANEOUS VOICE AND DATA!!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] colorado_al:
Your phone should dump the data connection in favor of voice if a call comes in. If not, you may have something wrong. It sucks if you are downloading something and have to start it over. You could always tell your client you need to call them back after you get the data connection established. I used to use AT&T and liked the simultaneous voice and data but have found it workable to do without. If you're within 30 days, you can always return your phone and get out of your contract, and go back to AT&T.

You could always go with a mobile broadband connection for your PC, but that is probably $60/month.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] BennTech:
Well, crap, if it's supposed to dump data for voice, then that doesn't explain why I keeping getting calls going straight to voicemail. In less than a week with minimal incoming calls, I had 4 calls going straight to voicemail without ringing: twice when phone was in hand playing with it and twice with phone laying next to me--all of a sudden I get the voicemail chime & I'm like "WTF? I'm right here! It never rang!!"

This is the same problem I had years ago, and, along with dropped calls, why I switched from Sprint to AT&T originally. My wife has been on Sprint for a over year, and, as far as I know, doesn't have this problem. (Actually, I just checked with her...she says it happens to her "occasionally," which I got the impression meant maybe once or twice a month--acceptable to me, unlike 4x in the first week.) She's got a Palm & doesn't tweak. I've got WM & tweak the crap out of mine. However, originally with Sprint I had a boring non-PDA phone and it sent calls straight to voicemail without ringing & dropped calls all the time. So this seems to be a Sprint network issue, not phone-specific or tweaking that caused something to go "wrong." Besides, I haven't done a lot of tweaking on this new phone yet. I've resisted the urge to drill a hole in the battery cover to access the reset button without removing the cover (had to soft-reset almost a dozen times so far...buggy ROM I desperately want to flash), and resisted the urge to unlock & flash specifically because, as you mention, I'm within the 30 days & I want to be sure I'm going to stay with Sprint.

Yeah, wife's got one already. She's a doctor and so she needs access to patient charts wherever she's at. Unfortunately, it's hers and she only lets me borrow it for short, discrete periods. Apparently saving people's lives is more important than "Honey, I don't feel like working at home in my pajamas today. Can I borrow your Sprint card so I can work at the park/lake/beach/etc. instead?" :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] qjsmartphone:
Well here is an idea drop sprint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just go to at&t already get an lg expo on amazon with at&t for $50 literally if you hate sprint stop *****ing and just leave!!!!!!!!!! Ok at&t droped the price of unlimited voice to $70!!!! Unlimited data and voice is now $100 seriously (cdma is the worst invention since meth!!!!!!!!)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] BennTech:
Geez, chill out with the exclamation marks!!!!!!!!!

Geez, man, chill out. I did leave Sprint. In fact, when I was looking T-Mobile was cheapest and I switched to them. $80/month unlimited everything with NO contract. That's right--no contract. Bizarre because their 2-year contract was $100/month. Pay less for no contract? Some marketing idiot really f*d those numbers up. Whatever...I'm happy. The only downside is the gay pink T-Mobile logo on boot, but a new ROM will take care of that. The rest of y'all have fun getting screwed by AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] stab244:
You do realize that contract prices are higher since they need to cover for the phone subsidy right?
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] BennTech:
Do the math

Yeah, but here's the math (granted this is dated because the carriers are dropping their unlimited everything prices, but it was valid at the time I was looking):

T-Mobile no contract: $2460

$80 x 24 months = $1920

Touch Pro2 = $540

T-Mobile 2-year: $2650

$100 x 24 months= $2400

Touch Pro2 = $250

Sprint 2-year: $2750

$100 x 24 months = $2400

Touch Pro2 = $350

AT&T 2-year: $3850

$150 x 24 months = $3600

Touch Pro2 = $250

Verizon 2-year: $3900

$150/month x 24 months = $3600

$300 Touch Pro2

So subsidizing actually hurts the overall cost because T-Mobile's no contract is still cheaper than every other option, including T-Mobile's own 2-year contract, but everyone thinks the contract is a good deal because their phone is $200-$300 off list price.

Also, with T-Mobile no contract I had the option to split out the payment of the phone as $27/month for 20 months ($540, same as buying outright and completely interest-free). So I walked out of the store:

with a new Touch Pro2,

with no contract, and

without paying anything upfront.

Every other option requires you to pay $400-$500 upfront because you have to buy the phone first, and you're paying $100 more than I listed above then waiting 3 months for your $100 rebate. And don't forget all the stupid federal and state taxes that are a percentage of your total monthly bill. The $80 plan is going to pay less taxes over the next few years so you're saving slightly more than is shown above.

Back on thread topic, kudos to Sprint for saving over $1000 compared to AT&T and Verizon, but T-Mobile beats them all (and even beats itself). :p
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] wud_e:
I want to post in this Sprint Pow Wow! I've been with Sprint since 2001 and my first phone was a really cool blue LG . I forgot the name but it was a sweet monochrome phone. Then I got 3 cool Samsung phones in a row the N400, the A660 and the "Blade" A900. I loved those phones but then I wanted to venture into Smart Phone realm. I wanted the Mogul but then saw that the Touch was coming out. I skipped the Mogul and went Touch. It was a cool phone. I got into the custom ROM thing but after 2 years of no hardware I'd had enough and got excited when I saw the TP2. I know the Original TP was out but I didn't have the $400-$500 to flat out buy it when it was released. Late last year I was ready for the upgrade and got the TP2 for my B-day about 2 weeks ago. I love this phone. I'm afraid I might drop it. :p I'm running the SSS ROM from the PPCGeeks Forum. It's the Best I've tried.

The thing about all of the Sprint phones I had is they have always been customizable and have never been completely locked down like Verizon phones. Service has always been great. Customer service has for 10 years ALWAYS been helpful, courteous and just great. This goes for Phone, In store and even the chat applet.

It would take Sprint coming to my house, grabbing my phone and busting it up with a Sledgehammer for me to leave them. Even then I still have my Touch as a back-up. :)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] B3RL1N:
I pay $73 a month ($70 + Nevada Taxes) with 450 minutes and unlimited everything else. So not everyone is paying $100 a month for cellphone data service. I personally love my plan as it is the cheapest HANDS DOWN and if I ever need anymore minutes I can just used Voice over IP.

Sprint 2-year: $2102

$73 x 24 months = $1725

Touch Pro2 = $350

The no contract part of T-Mobile is most definitely a plus, don't get me wrong. I was stuck with Verizon pervious to my latest contract with Sprint and while the service was awesome I paid $69 a month for 450 minutes and texting, totally absurd. Sprint changed their Everything data plan to $70 a month just two weeks before my Verizon contract was up and I signed up with them asap!

So far I haven't had a single problem with Sprint, although I am still waiting on my $100 mail-in rebate. I should probably check up on that now that I'm thinking about it. Either way, it's still cheap!
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] wud_e:
So I guess the extra $100 or $200 you pay for Sprint over T-mobile is to pay for something Sprint has a huge lead over T-mobile with and that's Unlimited 3G coverage.

Oh yeah. I got my TP2 for $228 tax included. I work for Volt and they have a NICE discount with Sprint.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] mark_6700:
Cricket is $45 per month for unlimited everything including 3G data ;-)
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gamescan:
You paid $250 too much. ;)

T-Mobile has been *giving* away the TP2 (and the Snap/Dash 3G) with a Jawbone headset for free via the Windows Mobile promotion for months. So under that math, the contract option would be cheaper.

There have also been a number of ways to get a Sprint TP2 for $50 if you're opening a new line/contract over the past few months. None of those have been as 100% consistent as the free TMO offer though.

Aside from the fact that this statement isn't correct based on the total cost, there is a good reason for it. By purchasing the phone on credit (even at 0% interest) you've created a tangible debt from a financial standpoint. An ETF is a penalty fee, whereas a debt is a different class of obligation.

TMO can sell that debt (at a discount obviously) to get cash up front right away. So it's not waiting for your cash like it would be with a direct subsidy.

It's actually a very SMART way of doing business as it pushes people to opt for buying the phone outright and paying the service fees directly. The less people the carrier has to subsidize the better it is for the carrier balance sheet.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] encephalon9986:
I got my TP2 on Verizon for $150. Thats besides the point, for the service dependability all depends on where you live. Where i live, it is AT&T and Verizon thrive and have the best service. Sprint falls very short of having good service in my area. My friend has sprint and cant get service in my house and i get full service with Verizon. You cant really compare prices because you just want to get the best service coverage in your area. I think you should base your carrier choice on how they cover your area and then go by price.

All companies are the best and have the fasted data connections in certain areas, so do not say another carrier is better than the other. They all have their good and bad areas.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gd761:
I had the HTC TOUCH, HTC TOUCH PRO, & HTC TOUCH PRO2 all from SPRINT. I have compaired all 3 phones with the same from the other carriers, and the other people were asking what I did to my phone to make it handle and connect faster than there phones. I had explained to all the people who I was compairing phones with, that I did not do anything to the phone at all. We compaired them in a few different ways. they were all running the same version stock ROM's so there was not any way to say that the ROM on my phone was faster, since they were exactly the same. Just yesterday I was compairing my SPRINT TP2 with my coworkers VERIZON TP2. In all the apps, my phone was faster than his, and he also had mulitple problems with his phone, especially where he could not even see his storage card. I found this out when I tried to send him a file through bluetooth. It did not work because of his phone. I had taken his card out of his phone and he could not see anything on my card that I put in there, then he put his card back in and could not see his card again. I E-Mailed him the file and he could not download it either, so he said that he would download it from home and sync his phone and computer to see if he can get the file I sent him. He called me and told me that he could not get the file from his computer to his phone.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] encephalon9986:
Sounds like your coworkers Touch pro 2 for verizon is a bugged device. I have the tp2 for verizon and everything works fast and no problems at all. You should tell your coworker to get a replacement device.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] gd761:
Quite a few of my coworkers have gotten rid of their respective carriers and had changed over to SPRINT, and they could not be happier. they have thanked me and have offered to buy me lunch from time to time. I have turned it down. I am just happy to help them with their phones as well as computers, and do not need anything in return. I feel that if I help someone who needs the help, then when I need some help, there will be someone who could possiably help me with my problem. I say, pay it foward.
[Touch Pro2 CDMA] SirJohan:
Alot of my co-workers at my work have been swapping out for the Crapple iPhone. They had Sprint Touch Pro series phones.

I held out and waited a little while to upgrade to my Touch Pro 2.

Needless to say the diffrence between my Touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 is crazy. The extra pixels on the screen allow for better video playback. I take my Divx compressed DVD's (Yes I own them, I just like to take them with me sometimes.) No extra special compressing or handbrake crap. Download to the memory card and off I go.

Also I had sprint work with me on my plan I am paying around 103.93 a month for 2 phones on plan with unlimited data, text, etc. 1500 Shared min between the 2 phones during peak time. Of course nights and weekends free.