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[HD2 General] les_paulde:
if you look closely enough you can clearly recognize the battery being in a separate compartment so you won't need to remove the battery to replace the sd card- thank god! :D

On another note, any news regarding O2 UK starting to sell this phone today? I will only be back in the UK nxt week so I am very curious whether I should wait till I'm back to order at O2 or should I go ahead and pre-order from mobilephonesdirect?

I wouldn't worry about this at all, this is a special setting under 'eUtility' where you specify either to connect as activesync or card-reader. I would be really surprised if HTC would remove this feature which has been around since WM5!!
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
What on Earth is eUtility?

Anyway, there are workarounds, but I like the popup screen that asks me how to connect each time. Lack of this feature would be... not worrying, I agree, but definitely annoying. And this option is clearly missing on screenshots and videos with the Leo.
[HD2 General] les_paulde:
maybe eutility is unique to my a701 wm6.5 rom, but I've seen the card-reader feature on pretty much every htc/wm device i've come across. I totally agree that it would be a shame if its missing but I didnt see a video where they connected the phone to usb yet so as of yet I'm not contemplating the possibility that the feature you explained will have changed with respect to the touch HD, would be a pretty stupid move from HTC...
[HD2 General] Overloaded:
I think holding the 'end call' key for ~1 second ;)
[HD2 General] jgal:
Hi guys!

An entirely diffrent question from me... And I'm referring to the people that held the device in their hands and got a closer look. Will there be any way of attaching a lanyard/strap or something? :P I find that pretty important...
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Does "program memory" include the memory used to run the operating system, or is that counted separately? For example, if Windows Mobile needs 120MB to run, would that leave 200MB of "program memory"?
[HD2 General] chris10230:
never seen one on a pic but then again not finished hw so it should be there yet to see a phone that hasnt had it. Wait for proper reviews on end hw before we get too anoyed about stuff.

for me at least have stated specs 128 mb but have access to 101.15 for me at least; 120 mb gone is well a little to much for the system itself to eat up! Then again we can start to complain if it is like it in a finished hw/sw implementation really? Dont ya think?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
:(

I hope you're right about that... How much RAM is usually taken up by WM6.5 & TouchFlo3D on current devices (Rhodium/Topaz)?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Why are you worrying so much about those RAM numbers?

1. It was mentioned more than once in reviews that the later ROMs have more memory available

2. Watch those videos carefully - see how many applications are running in background?

3. At the time when these engineering samples appeared, reviewers reported a lower amount of RAM than we will have in production devices.

4. It doesn't matter anyway - RAM is there to be used, not to sit idle, pay attention to how snappy things are rather than to numbers in task managers.
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Well said!! :D

My work PC (after photshop and visual studio is open) sit's with next to nothing free. But as the apps that I am using are already in RAM, why does it matter how much is free? The performance seen in the videos is nothing short of amazing, and they arn't even on the final software yet... look at the performance, not the numbers
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
If I'm buying a WM device with 320MB of RAM, I want to be able to use at least 2/3 of that for running actual programs - not just the phone UI. Sure, some stuff was running in the background, but I'm planning on regularly having a few dozen browser tabs, multiple chat programs (ICQ, MSN and Skype), probably a music player and a note taking program open all at once... if I can't do that, then what's the point in getting a WM device? Might as well go with an iPhone if I can't multitask anyway :p

Good to know - did they mention how much more is available?

Not enough to make me think that having 90% of the RAM full is normal...

The Sense UI looked snappy enough... but nobody's really showed anything else. Of course the UI is going to be snappy if it's taking up 150 MB of RAM by itself - the trick is getting it to take up less without reducing the responsiveness... Show me some snappy web browsing while listening to streaming webradio and I'll start to believe that having the RAM so full is okay :)

The RAM on my PC is almost permanently full as well - but the OS with background tasks only takes up ~15% of it... ;)
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
My Touch HD with latest Dutty Leo ROM(Also other Leo ROMS) using only ~115 to 120 MB of memory after a day use(Not after boot). Having around 60 MB free.

As from their own specifications of HTC, HD have 288MB RAM. So, the 448MB of HD2 should have more free memory comparatively.

Let us hope for the best;)

Also, iam sure that the great devs of XDA will provide us cooked ROMs with better memory management as they have done with other HTC devices.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Hmmm, is that with all programs in the background turned off? Or with a bunch open?
[HD2 General] ZenithUK:
I went into my local O2 store today to ask about the HD2 and the Assistant Manager was worse than useless!

He said that O2 don't stock HTC phones.

I went over to the catalogues, opened to page 9 and said "What's that then?"

He basically tried to backtrack and bluff his way out. I told him that Engadget, GSM Arena *AND* the Mirror have all reported on this phone and it being released next week. He didn't even try the intranet to check.

However, I went into Carphone Warehouse and while they didn't know anything, they DID confirm that the code HTCTOUCHHD2 is on their system, but there's no information attached to it whatsoever.

I also just called O2 and while the pleasant woman didn't have any new information, she was able to confirm that it is going to be released "soon".
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
I always configure task manager to close programs on clicking x button.

So, the direct answer for your question is "YES". Without any OTHER programs running in background.
[HD2 General] kersh:
I doubt a lot that HD2 will be available before on carriers than free.

Btw, why you dont call to the O2 SAT and ask him?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Hmmm... do you have any problems running out of memory when running a lot of stuff? Opera ever give you the "Out of memory, please close some tabs" error message? :p
[HD2 General] chris10230:
haha yeh thats why i gave up going in store esp since there are enough people asking i dont need to do it myself :D no doubt the moment someone gets through and a firm date from o2 there will A LOT of happy people!

i would be happier if o2 actually knew what they were talking about and not giving out fake dates!

o yeh date one has now pased 12/10/09 for release...
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
No.

i use opera 9.7 (Builin in the ROM) and use some 3 to 4 tabs frequently for browsing.

But, never had memory usage morethan 90%.

it sometimes increases upto +80%. With parallel programs running like Garmin and opera together.

But, never had issues with low memory.

I havenot tried with games anyway.
[HD2 General] prank1:
Ggrr... lots of people said it would be released 12th October on O2. When the day comes its suddenly extended to 19th October lol.:eek:

I can't wait to get this device, but does anyone have an idea if I will be able to get ahold/order an unbranded one on 19th October (when its released?) Or is it only going to be on O2 for awhile?

I don't mind looking on eBay for someone whos selling it as an unwanted upgrade (lol) but I really don't want to be stuck with the O2 customised software, especially since HardSPL will take time to develop before I can flash a generic HTC ROM.

Cheers
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Okay, that's reassuring, thank you :)
[HD2 General] tdx:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8915

First camera and video samples. And, for me, the decision not to buy this phone, as much as I wanted it. The camera samples look just as bad as the Touch HD which i previously owned and make it in my unusable.

Thanks HTC for once again showing you don't care about a major aspect of today's smartphones (imaging) and keep reusing the same crappy lenses, sensors and image algorithms because it's what, cheaper to do so?

Oh and before people start saying "wait, this is a prototype, final firmware might fix things etc" I honestly do not believe for an instant that the camera quality will get dramatically better with a FW update.

Shame, I really wanted to get this...
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Does the guy taking the film have alzheimers or something!?
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
What is the point in saying this? Here is a translation of what you;ve just said:

"If I can't run 24+ webpages, 3 differant instant messengers, a media player and a notepad program, It's not worht having"

Try and open that on a desktop computer and see what happens. Unless you are running over 8GB I guarentee you will get an out of memory exception. And I bet even 8 GB will struggle
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Parkinsons. Alzhemers is when people forget... ;)
[HD2 General] iamrobk:
Meh, I have 9 tabs open in FF, an IM program, notepad, and Winamp all open right now and I am only at 35% RAM usage with 6GB's of Ram.:p
[HD2 General] chris10230:
sorry but had to prove you wrong on that one

look at my stats and why i have open atm..

http://s810.photobucket.com/albums/zz25/chris10230/?action=view&current=Untitled.png

yeh not gonna post it here directly as it really is seriously off topic
[HD2 General] DMAND:
Considering its being sold as the HTC HD2 and not an Xda, I'm guessing it will be unbranded and a generic ROM pre loaded on the phone.

And yeah hurry up O2 I need a HD2 asap :p
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
And you have that open on your mobile? Erm....ok! Can you read all of those open apps at the same time? If you need that many apps open then you're either some kind of multitasking genius or you've got a very short attention span!

(I don't necessarily mean YOU as such - perhaps "one" would be a better word!)
[HD2 General] chris10230:
no its more i open stuff and then well i forget to close them as yet i have yet to get to a point where it slows down :D good point of building a new pc a month ago and then a fresh install of 7 build 7600 on sunday... so maybe it will but im hoping not then i will have to go hunting for a fix for it. Also i would never try to run it on a mobile my polaris slows with opera after about 2 tabs so a few more would sometimes be nice.
[HD2 General] hhoong:
hi there

i'm silence reader for this topic since page 1 and i love this HD2 very much and thx all of u for giving so much info about this phone ^_^

cant wait until it lunch in my country so i can go have my hand on it ^_^

well if we compare the raw power of the computer to the phone

pc have like at least 3~4x faster processor speed then the HD2

and u got 8gb of ram and what ? ~20x more then HD2

and u can browse 20+ page so i think is fair that hd2 can browse 6~7 page at 1 time with 20x less memory, even we assume that winmo is 10x more optimize then win7/winxp, and phone processor also 5x more optimize then pc. i think the content in website when loaded to the ram will use up almost the space needed for pc and phone.

(cannot be loading xda in pc use 2mb and loading xda in a phone use 2kb right? just some typical example)

that is what i think ^_^
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
And herein, you find the joke!
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
You can control that by changing PagePool size - if I'm not mistaken, you can even do it without reflashing ROM. Get any number you want if it makes you feel better.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Exaggerating a bit, aren't you, friend? I regularly have 25+ tabs opened on Firefox plus Winamp, PDFs, and several Microsoft Word Documents opened. In fact, I currently have 50+ tabs opened on 2GB of RAM with little issue. Not saying I disagree with you on the necessity of doing such things, though, but you'd be surprised at what a little RAM can do.

Anyway, to get to the point, I'm not sure if it has been posted already, but ai.rs blog recently posted an amazing video showing the technical capabilities of the HD2. At some points, they intentionally do things as fast as possible to show off the capability of the Snapdragon.

It's poetry in motion: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8903
[HD2 General] mtbmtbmtb:
would love to see how stuff like BBC iPlayer works on the HD2
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Good news, everyone.

4WinMobile is having a user-led review: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ne...2-yes-were-reviewing-so-questions-please.html

If you go into that thread and post your questions, the website will have a review in which every asked questioned (that is reasonable, mind you) will be answered. So far, about 84 (!!) questions have been recorded by the administrator, and will supposedly be answered.

If you have any particular questions you would liked to see answered in a review, you might want to post in that thread too.
[HD2 General] rorydaredkign:
Just got off the phone to O2 and they said 19th on phone orders and you can't pre order, you have to call Monday morning. And I said will it be in store on the 19th, because I have an O2 open discount and he said it should be and might be before.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
They've been collecting those questions for over a week now; I wouldn't mind reading something from them already.
[HD2 General] prank1:
+1

Some really good questions there I'd like to see answered..
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
Yeah, i understand, that there are 448Mb of RAM installed indeed. But i'm talking about amount of memory available for applications to run.
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
Anyone else seen this article http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8664.html

This sums up my concernes and may be the bullet in this phone for me.

Mav
[HD2 General] hothitter:
Wow. Would one of these that's dropping this month work on t-mobile in the US? on 3G?
[HD2 General] galaxys:
Not on 3G, but would work on gsm & Edge...
[HD2 General] hothitter:
bah. nm :(
[HD2 General] polstein:
Can someone explain why? Is this T-Mobile US or all of US including AT&T? I thought if the frequencies match - it didn't matter.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
What concerns? That HTC won't provide an SDK which means that 2rd pary apps that support multitouch will be few and far between or that the HD2 won't support WM7?

I suspect that most developers won't bother creating a multi-touch app just for the HD2 but will write them for WM7. And if it's the lack of WM7 upgradeability that you're worried about well in 18 months when WM7 does finally get on to an actually handset the HD2 will probably be mostly obsolete and something with more power will be available.
[HD2 General] ilordvader:
Same goes for Laptops

something new & better coming up

But that way you will keep waiting for ever

Only sad part about this is its 3 times the price of other phones

So its only for the Rich & Famous :p

Vader is ;)
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
The last time I bought a phone was my Nokia 8310 in 2002. I'll get this one free too.
[HD2 General] jimecm:
heres a good video of it compaired to iphone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmrXrQUZgwE
[HD2 General] bugsy:
You've answered it yourself, the frequencies don't match. The model being released soon only contains the 900/2100MHz 3G frequencies. AT&T uses 850MHz and some 1900 MHz, although they are moving to all 850MHz for 3G by the end of the year. T-mobile is using, I believe, 1700MHz which is different from everyone else, but the only spectrum they could get.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Yes, you're right, but according to the administrator, he is limited in how he can do the review. He says he'll answered each questions and it'll be separated into sections, but he's going to get the final ROM roughly 48 hours ahead of the 'on sale' date (although he's messing with the hardware already).

Yes, the 'on sale' date, which means we would be seeing any review for about a month. I might have misread him (and I hope I did), but it seems like that's what he said: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/237583-post61.html

I don't think this is necessarily bad news, though. It'll give plenty of time for people to see the thread and get in as many questions as possible. Some of the people in there are really asking specific things, like testing on certain apps.
[HD2 General] fpatrick:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFI6lKNapFU

Is something gone wrong???

With NO running programs, HD2 already occupied 74% memory at the background??? (see 4:50)
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
So I am a bit confused - is the HD2 upgradeable to Windows Mobile 7 or not? Personally I can't see how Microsoft would not make Windows Mobile 7 scaleable to older devices. Also if the Sony Experia 2 is claiming to be upgradeble thats still got a resistive non multitouch screen and hardware no where near as good as the HD2 so I can't see how that can be true
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
I'm not bothered in the slightest about the upgrade to WM7. My concernes are arround the lack of development for multi touch apps. As the screen is not supported by the OS and HTC won't relaeas the SKD, there is no point in developing apps for WM multitouch devices. The sooner the support for the screens is built into the OS the sooner the devs with designe apps.

As much as I like the hardware specs of this phone, I'm still not sure whether to take the plunge or try something completely different for a change
[HD2 General] Cinner:
Camera and video samples are here:

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8915
[HD2 General] levin07:
I'm sure HD2 won't upgrade to wm7.0 by official,as theres's no offical wm6.5 roms for HD now.

But,as the old device now running wm6.5，HD2 will be upgradable to wm7.0 in the same way.Just believe our forum,believe the romers...
[HD2 General] levin07:
The HD2 in the video was a engineering device，not a production.

The production's back is only marked "HTC"，not "HTC Pro.Three"...
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
I must admit that the app development side of things worries me as well. My other choice is the Omnia 2, which it looks like has the app dev side sorted. If the HD2 is going to be limited for app development then it would definitely make me think about the Omnia more
[HD2 General] levin07:
I don't understand why " HD2 is going to be limited for app development"???
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
http://msmobiles.com/news.php/8664.html

Or thats what the article points towards.
[HD2 General] levin07:
:D

It makes nonsense.

I think your worries about that is unnecessary...
[HD2 General] levin07:
the only thing that worries me is hd2's battery,the goddamned 1230mA.

I'm sure HD2's battery life will be worse than TD2，even TD1,which is the worst...
[HD2 General] loomx:
Thats a silly comment.

The HD2 will support all apps that all WM phones support, it just has the option of using multitouch as well, but it might require a bit of tweaking to have multitouch on other apps.

So saying its crippled, really should read as, its that same for apps as all other WM devices, only it has an extra feature that might need a bit more work to get it to work with.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Can I point out it wasn't me who raised it - but maybe I shouldn't believe everything I read heh!

Though where the article writer gets his information about the HD2 not meeting WM7 specs I have no idea. Anyone else hear anything about WM7 min specs?
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Apple Fan Boy I guess.

The HD2 will run anything the Omnia 2 can run and as has been said the only question is on the multitouch apps. But as the Omnia 2 is not multitouch the HD2 is stil the best phone on the planet.

Eat that Iphone.
[HD2 General] levin07:
I'm sure HD2 won't upgrade to wm7.0 by official,as theres's no offical wm6.5 roms for HD now.

But,as the old device now running wm6.5，HD2 will be upgradable to wm7.0 in the same way.Obviously,HD2 is a standard device for wm7.0.

Just believe our forum,believe the romers.There will be many wm7.0 roms available for HD2 when wm7.0 comes out.
[HD2 General] pgamble:
MSMOBILES

I'm not saying nothing of what is said is a worry .... yes of course ... if an SDK is not released then no ISV could develop for it ...

But look at what we have seen - Google Maps, almost definitely Co-Pilot, Opera ... they all work with the zoom pinch of the display ... so HTC must have shared that SDK or abstracted the capacitive commands so they can be translated to normal resistive responses ...

The Compass ... it's official on the HD2 ... with the OmniaII which I was going to buy .. it wasn't official ... look at the ppcsg forum threads.

Again ... yes ... there is a history of the crap camera s/w and drivers for gfx acceleration on HTC devices ... but the reviews (which msmobiles have not done ... all he does is look at other sites stuff and write inflamatory stuff as if it came from himself) all show great video performance.

Some of these things may not be perfect ... but there is an SDK as proved by existing ISV apps on the review devices .... the questions is whether or not it is published more widely ... and if it's not ... XDA will probably help in that area.

I really don't think we should be worrying about non-authoritative rubbish from a site like this that has proven to be mostly unfounded anyway.

Paul.
[HD2 General] fpatrick:
Just for reference. Chassis 1 spec for WM7

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7528

According to the spec, GPU may be the main concern on if HD2 goes to WM7 in the future.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Where did you get the information that Xperia X2 is upgradable to WinMo7?

It certainly doesn't measure up to the Chassis 1 specs that have been leaked.

On the other hand, there is also supposed to be a WinMo7 Chassis 2 for lower specced devices. I haven't seen any specifications for Chassis 2, but it is possible Xperia X2 meets that spec list. I have to say though that if MS approves a phone like X2 to be upgraded as a premium (Chassis 1) WinMo7 device, then they are setting WinMo7 up for failure.

I think that a strict and fairly high minimum standard like the one rumoured for WinMo7 Chassis 1 is a very good thing. A new decent baseline is necessary to get support for software that doesn't try to be compatible with every WinMo phone ever made. With the Chassis 1 spec, developers know that when making SW for WinMo7, you don't have to worry about devices with mediocre performance. Allowing a phone like the X2 to qualify for the upgrade would be a serious mistake. I don't have any problem with unofficial ports of WinMo7 to devices based on these older chipsets, and it is possible that they will mostly handle it OK, but then at least the users of these phones know that the performance for WinMo7 software isn't guaranteed.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Not true. The HD2 will not be able to run apps developed specifically for Omnia 2 using Samsungs SDK. The point is that there is new HW on these phones that don't have OS support, so development for these new features (like the digital compass) will be device specific for now.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Well that sucks. As if a collaborative SDK would have been too much to ask for :(
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Why would the GPU be a problem? It has already been established that the Snapdragon platform meets the specs, and the GPU is a part of the Snapdragon chipset. There will most definately be WM7 devices released with the exact same Snapdragon chipset.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Are you from UK? :)

As far as I know, HTC hasn't published any SDKs for the G-sensor or the light sensor either, yet third-party libraries are easily available.

Multi-touch might be not as easy, but, seriously, do you really need it that much outside the browser, picture viewer and Office/PDF reader?

As for disclosing HTC's proprietary SDK for multi-touch, it wouldn't be awfully useful since it will soon be overridden by WM7 native stuff anyway.