yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
I will not deal with the specifics of this situation, but typically this is a result of the following:

Two members are arguing. A moderator issues a softer warning like "Please stop this arguing", and both parties continue to disregard the warning. Then a moderator will issue the following warning "If you do not stop you will be banned for X amount of days", but only one party listens to the warning. A ban is rarely the result of a simple argument, but instead arises because a member simply disregards the forum rules and protocols. I assure you, that nobody is out to get anybody and there is always significant discussion in an attempt to make sure we are behaving fairly. Unfortunately, whoever gets banned always has a group of supporters who feel that one party is getting treated unfairly, or in cases where both members are banned, that both are being treated unfairly. Hopefully you understand that we do not make these decisions lightly or without regard for their consequences.

If anyone has additional questions they can feel free to PM me, but please return the discussion to rom issues. I am going to go through and clean up much of the discussion here as it has nothing to do with this thread.

Agreed, this is that first official warning to everyone "be respectful to the other members." Speak with respect in your disagreements or do not speak at all. Loaferkan, you should especially heed my words. You have been here long enough to know that those posts you left are not appropriate.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
Thank you scotchua. It was starting to sound like one of those town hall meetings in here!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jafarkhan:
@scotchua: Thanks for the info. But as I said before it would be nice if a Mod or the two parties could explain the things which lead to this misfortunate situation. It would be also a good example of disregarding forum rules in practice.

Also Would you please quote the rule which A broke and got himself banned?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MeatyCoins:
astoria queens here:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] angelboy974:
the built 23409 with manilla 2.1 is so great, maybe in french for the later release ^^

great job
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
omg

what is going on? gone for a couple days.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Let's just not answer that question. It causes too much anger.

(Thanks Bxsteez for the DL links)

If there's some even better links, please tell me, and I'll change it once again!

And everyone, don't continue to discuss it. That will just end up in more Mods having to come in here and clean up the thread. And At0m, I'm not starting anything, once again, I'm trying to HELP your users get to your new ROM's. Okay? If you've got a better link to your ROM's, please IM me on Live Messenger, and I'll edit the post with that link, so that your followers can get to your new ROM's.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jafarkhan:
Well I believe that we as members of this forum have the right to ask for the cause of mods' actions unless this is a dictatorship. I also think that if the rule justifies their action and A's action qualifies as a crime then why would anybody get angry?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
What the mod said: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4526477#post4526477

And if you want more details, he said to PM him. You can also PM me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
Here is a link to his latest rom.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] oajungen:
I just hope At0m will stay in the kitchen to cook great ROM's. I am using his latest 2.1 ROM for some day's now and it rocks! Would love to get my hands on the updates. I am using the Pro2 for business, so will be waiting for the polished build. I am sure the ROM which can be downloaded in the post above will be great also.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
This is directly from At0m to hopefully give a more indepth understanding of the events that lead to the situation we are in now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
That is just calling for another war. Mods will have to come in here and clean up again. Let's not make them work any harder, and just stop discussing it now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
Everyone deserves a final thought before leaving. I won't hate the Mod's for removing it. I don't know if its true or not but he felt the need to say his final piece and i thought he deserved it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NRGZ28:
Well while it does give you a mode "indepth understanting" it's also completely twisted to his advantage. Here's what REALLY happened.

Atom posted manila 2.5 packages publicly in this forum. You can find the thread if you look for it.. it says something along the lines of "Manila 2.5 + packaged up for all the chefs". He IMed to tell me he posted them, so I went and downloaded. In a few minutes, I had a ROM done and... well.. posted it. I'm sure any other chef would have done the same.

Good... So by now the Sept 12th version of my ROM with Manila 2.5 is posted. NO OTHER ROMS were posted and you can ask anybody in my thread.

Later on, atom finds a rapidshare link to a rom containing the newer weatherclock 2.1 Manila and he decides to share it with me. I download... dump... get the Manila package out of it.. make a rom and play with it on my own TP2 device. By this time, atom is working on his own rom. I was also IMing with ace1034, telling him we got ahold of a the new 2.1 manila and we're about to post. A few minutes later, I go away from the keyboard....

Atom IMs me asking NOT to release my ROM because he doesn't have time to make his and he's having issues. I said, it's already too late... I already released the 2.5 version, but I can wait for the 2.1 version. He decided that wasnt't good enough, so he goes and starts **** in my thread about it. Keep in mind that BY NOW, the 2.1 STILL hasn't been posted by me, as he requested.

More times goes by and the situation escalates, mods come in, **** gets cleaned up. I decided that after that little show that he put on, and the names he's been calling me, that I dont really care about what he requested anymore, so .. I posted the 2.1 ROM.

So to summarize, the packages in my 2.5 ROM WERE POSTED PUBLICLY. Therefore I used them and posted a ROM.... There was NO deal made between him and me about this.

The 2.1 packages were NOT posted publicly, therefore I respected his wish NOT to post the 2.1 ROM and didn't. I only posted it much MUCH later (several hours) after he started all the crap in my thread.

Hopefully that clears up any confusion... and explains why atom was banned. He just couldn't contain himself and started on an insult rampage.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jafarkhan:
I think some people need to learn respect and grow some courage to face criticism instead of trying to hash it up by the authorities.

Thank you so much Bxsteez for sharing that with us.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jafarkhan:
Thanks NRG for sharing your side of the story, too. However I don't get it why a chef should be ranked by his speed in releasing ROMs? No offence dear but I used several versions of your ROMs because I loved the way you visually customized them but none of them lasted more than a day or two for me and I asked for help on your thread and there were no help. So I was forced to switch back to a more stable and less fancy ROM like A's or even stock. Well that was me of course 'cause I'm sure that there are several people out there who are using and loving your ROMs. But for me and me alone I can say that A's ROMs pleased me much more than yours.

I, the junior that I am, can't expect my words to be of anyone's concern but I ask the more senior members of this forum to form a petition for unbanning A under the condition of forgetting every thing that happened because I believe that the competition between the chefs was only benefiting the forum and boosting it's productivity.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
I agree anything from either party would be one sided and i'm glad you posted your side since you two know the most about the situation.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
I do not have time to fully respond to this, but I would like to officially state "thank you" for supplanting your own opinion of what is the "right" thing to do over a team of people selected by the site administrator for their judgement and dedication to the forum. It is the decision to take these things in your own hand rather than going through the proper channels that caused this whole issue in the first place. I will return later, and address this more fully.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
I guess i didn't see it that. It was not my intent to dismiss your ruling. I should've inquired about the proper procedure for this. I do apologize if I crossed any line. My intent was to give some conclusion that At0m's fans would be OK with. I probably should've ran it by one of the Mod's first and for that I do apologize.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kwill:
Ok, can we stop the kissing and apologizing now and get back to the rom's:D I don't even have a tp2 yet, but popped over to see what I'm going to be getting into when ATT releases theirs. And, I must say, it made me trip out as XDA is my sanctuary from all the madness. Two great people with great rom's and this is what it comes to. If I had half the talent of some of the chef's, humbleness would be first priority as you always know the truth about how much you contribute and to what is truly yours. Good luck and hope the fighting stops after everyone realizes the repercussions it causes for everyone, not just the two involved.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NRGZ28:
Who said a chef is "ranked" by their speed of releasing ROMs ? That never came up in my reply.

Hey, I liked having atomang in here as a competitor. I have no problem with that. It's his actions and foul mouth that got him banned. It's not the first time it happened either...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
My input may not be welcome here but here it is anyway...

NRG, I'd love for you to point out the "other" time At0mAng was banned for cursing. I happen to be good friends with At0m and I know that he didn't ever get banned from this forum for cursing up until yesterday when he lost his temper with you and ace.

I just spoke to At0mAng and he has the entire conversation you and he had, saved on his computer. He said he'd happily post it up here to prove what really happened. Whether or not it gets his account at XDA back or not I don't think he cares but he wants you to stop spreading lies about him and to be completely honest, I think that having the whole story and conversation posted might be the only real evidence.

So NRG... Are you man enough for yours and At0m's conversation to be posted here? Are you really that confident that every word that you've said here in this situation is true?

I'm interested to hear what you have to say...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jafarkhan:
What I meant was not in financial terms. I meant that the XDA members in (in short the THE FORUM) were the ones who benefited from the competition (not the "war" as some may describe) the most. Because it encouraged the chefs so that they would cook better ROMs day after day and in the end it was the end user who could end up with a perfect ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Again, you are just calling for more arguing. Mods, just lock this thread till it all cools down, or something. Second thoughts...Actually don't lock it, because that would spawn a new thread, debating why it got locked :P The Mod's erased the threads from public viewing for a reason. You or At0m posting them back up here would be disrespecting the moderator's actions. He was actually talking about the private, IM conversation, that At0m and NRG had.

And thank you Heavy for trying to get us all back on ROM discussions (below this post).

And you didn't specify that, but nevertheless, that would just be spawning another debate, which the mods won't appreaciate.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Anyway, anyone got word from A. about the ROM for tonight?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
For your information, I wasn't speaking of the thread. I was talking about the MSN conversation log between NRG and At0mAng. So please, before you open your mouth next time and make a fool out of yourself, make sure you know all the details first. That's what started this whole mess to begin with...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
Ace since a lot of the animosity is directed at you I'd suggest being an observer as I am going to be from here on. Not bashing you or anything just thinking ur walking into a mine field which huge shoes on ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
:D Yep. Very true. I'm just forshadwing what the mods would most likely say about it. But I'm not welcome here, so goodbye all. Bxsteez, keep it cookin!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
If we could just stop all this right now then everything should be good. Lets just drop it because A. is "gone" for a week.

Back on topic...

I will hit up A. and ask him to give me an update on the new ROM that's should hit tonight.

Will post back with that soon.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
What ROM? I already posted his latest ROM unless he is planning another release i'm unaware of.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
I would be very surprised if there was a private release tonight. Last I heard he wasn't very interested in WinMo at all anymore after everything that has happened here in the past 2 days.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Oh yeah? 9/13 release? Where is the post? He told me last night he will be dropping one tonight (Sunday night).

Yeah I know, but he still might cook ROMs for the private members.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
Oh... I didn't know he planned on another release tonight. I was talking about the release from yesterday. From what I understand the first one was like bug free
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Where is the latest one of his that you posted?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
This was the last one he gave me to post
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
May I answer? Thanks... Lol, beaten by fractions of a second :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Didn't know that, I'm assuming that is the Sunday night release. Cool :)

Yeah no problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xenoscion:
Broken

His directory is empty, also giving him donation's, I have not received any email about a new release. See for your self :(

http://www.comeplaywithus.net/At0mAng/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
new rom

is it 2.7 or 2.8? I thought we were waiting for 2.8 Sunday night
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Neither have I, but I'm assuming that's because it's not yet polished. If he missed you just let him know and you will get it. Trust.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
Unfortunately At0m is completely done with XDA and removed his ROM for that reason.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] xenoscion:
That is what I assumed, oh well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Ok just got word from A.!

He's officially done with XDA and cooking ROMs. NO MORE ROMs!!!

So Mods can close this thread because now it's useless.

Just like Bxsteez stated.

It was fun while it lasted.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Supertrooper:
Yep. That really sucks!!!! I knew that last nite, but didn't want to be the bearer of bad news. I hate to see any good rom developer leave XDA, especially from the Rhoduim section. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
If anyone that donated feels that they didn't get what they deserved please email At0m and he will make it right.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
Wow...

I have already been messaged by At0mAng asking me to delete his threads, and informed him that we do not do that here because nobody has ownership over the threads and there is not reason to take away the place where users of the rom meet to discuss any issue related to it. He asked me to close the thread while I was away from the computer, but I had no intentions of doing that either because, as i stated earlier this is not HIS thread. Every member who contributed to this thread also has an ownership stake in it. At0mAng told me that already had one foot out the door before this even started, so it is foolish to say this incident is the root cause of all the troubles. I don't believe anyone has anything actually helpful left to say about the matter. If you believe you have something useful to contribute please contact me or any other mod if you do not find me trustworthy. Otherwise, do not post it here.

Excellent advice, because I'm really not interested in handing out more bans. I'd prefer if everyone would just simmer down.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
Scotchua I do have a few simple questions. Why is At0mAng the only one to get banned when NRG continues to smear his name by making false accusations?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4527586&postcount=614

And here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4528499&postcount=621

In all honesty, I have spoken to him on a personal level and what pushed him to decide to take the ROMs off his server and decide to not come back after his 7 day ban was lifted was because of the un-fairness in how this situation was handled by select members of the community and the XDA-Developers staff. I personally agree.

I don't know why the staff has chosen to ignore NRG and the recent posts he made on this subject here in this thread but it's definitely wrong to give one or 2 people special treatment when they were all breaking the rules and all going at it.

Would it be at all possible for you to have NRG PROVE his claim that this is not the first time that At0m has lost his temper and been banned for it? That's the key thing here. If a lie about someone isn't a smear to their name then what the hell is it?

My 2 cents...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
well said dharvey4651

why are people still going on with this without At0mAng here to defend himself this I feel is not fair at all.

oh well one rule for some and one rule for everyone else.

At0mAng you have my full respect and support with what ever you decide to do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
I know exactly what his issues are, and honestly anyone who has read both of their posts and then says that they are "the same" has an obvious bias. Had he not come back twice with fake accounts after being banned then I would have probably handed out additional bans, but I do not appreciate the constant attempts by At0mAng to manipulate the situation to get what he wants. I have much more information about the situation than I am willing to share in the open forum, but I don't have any reservations about my decisions. Honestly, this probably could have been solved much more calmly if people would have just elected to work with the system rather than circumvent it.

Both posts that you have referenced I feel are actually seemingly calm relative to the posts that they were in response to, and more importantly weren't less that 10 minutes after being told they'd be banned for 7 days. I have asked both ACE and NRG to not respond to any more of these comments and just let it die away.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the_matrixx:
Could you upload the sony ring tone that is in your ROM?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
It should be in your \Windows folder on your phone. Open File Explorer, go to the \Windows directory, and explore around. Organize the files by Type, and see if you can find any .wav's or .mp3 files that has that ringtone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
This claim seems to be the source of a lot of contention. I am not aware of any time in which At0mAng has been banned or warned for his actions or foul mouth prior to this incident. I do not understand where you are getting your information from and would request that you provide your basis for this accusation to me via PM. Or if you made this statement in error, then feel free to post that here in the public forum.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the_matrixx:
i am using a different ROM now but want that file back. can anyone help?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
ok my last post to you got trashed so I will try and re word it.

ace you have cause a lot of people to become very unhappy and the last thing that these people want is to see you in at0mAng rom thread so I am kindly asking you to stay out of here so there will be no more fighting.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
thank you and yes a lot of people would also like to hear this
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dharvey4651:
I know I would...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] neoslan:
Don't leave atom. Just forgive and forget this incident. I can totally feel that you feel wronged by the process, but there are many people, including me, that loves your ROMs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] someeh:
Is this latest rom still stable and smooth? I left the 6.5 builds alone and went back to 6.1, and after reading all the post... OH BOY!!!! :eek:

Nevermind... his roms are done .. bummer, I used his roms the most.