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[HD2 General] HTC Touch Freak:
OLED FTW!!!

I have to disagree. Pinch to zoom is "cool" for a little but pointless. I use my Topaz with 1 hand 90% of the time and can' stand using my ipod touch and now new Zune HD because the only method of zooming is to pinch. With the Ipod Touch it's ok because you have to use 2 hands anyway because it's not thumb freindly but the zune is the same size of the Topaz just half as thick and well I hate having to use 2 hands.

Resistive I find is better for typing and hitting smaller buttons and links.But I love the sensitivity of Capacitive. Capacitive is harder to use with the thumbs and you need to poke at the screen which I think looks retarded.

Cool!

Well capacitive to me is harder to use to hit small areas accurate. I have big fingers and use my thumbs with my Topaz. I can hit tiny things easy with a Resistive screen. Ur just not pressing right if you have to use a stylus. I never used the stylus on my oiginal HTC Touch either.

A true US version would also support the 1700/2100 band. Don't leave T-mobiles crappy banding out of the picture. :D so a 850/1700/1900/2100 would be a true world 3g phone. ;)

Why couldn't American Carriers just use the World standard for 3G to bigin with? Oh wait cause they want to control which phones they want you to buy. HA. I havn't bought a US Carrier Branded phone in 8yrs. :p

Why cou
[HD2 General] orb3000:
Welcome to forums

Have a look here for your answer:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=566070

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4638557&postcount=316
[HD2 General] mightymn:
Thanx alot dude! I see you're going to test 720p .mkv which I requested. waiting!

By the way, we're really excited to see if there'll be an official upgrade to WM7! Could you comment on that ?
[HD2 General] fards:
if it could be interpolated I think we'd be able to get it working on current devices..

Obviously the dcompass.dll in oemdrivers is a bit of a giveaway as well.. ;)
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Are you the same fards from the Lexus forum? You have to be with all the technical talk!
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Mate, seriously! Have you read this thread?
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
I am doing some renovation work in an O2 shop on the 12th so ill find out as much info as i can from them! Likely hood is that we will know the release date by then anyway (i hope!)
[HD2 General] Noam23:
B3ler3fonte has the Leo in his hands, he received it with complete specs of the unit, and claims there is no digital compass, so please stop misleading people by saying there is.
[HD2 General] Canterbury:
Hey B3ler3fonte,

I see you are reviewing the N900..

these are the two devices i'm trying to decide between...

Can you give a comparison and your impressions regarding the 2 devices..

typing, camera, screen etc... :)

cheers

also - general question - can the device be charged thru USB, or only power adapter ?
[HD2 General] makeveral:
he recived a beta test device, if the rom have driver and app for digital compass i'm 90% sure that it will have it.

regards!
[HD2 General] maati:
Right, his device had an older ROM version without the compass app afaik, that's why he couldn't confirm the compass.
[HD2 General] trap:
Yes, I read this thread from the first page. But did not understand who is B3ler3fonte relative to HTC company?
[HD2 General] deyanp:
digital compass

seems he is still convinced that the device doesn't have a digital compass :( that would be really bad news for me ...
[HD2 General] Canterbury:
As he is testing HTC (Leo), Nokia(N900), Samsung(Omnia something) - i'd say his relationship is neutral
[HD2 General] fards:
or alternatively he doesn't actually have a working release device and he's spreading FUD :p

who knows...

but I know I have the latest build from HTC, and what's inside it and I'm happy to prove it..

still waiting to know what rom-build he has inside his device..
[HD2 General] makeveral:
all i can say about the digital compass is that this old leo rom version:

RUU_Leo_HTC_WWE_09.07.23.1911_Radio_Daily_1550_Test.exe

didnt have the digitalcompass app, neither the drivers...

But with newer roms (i dont have the full rom...) it have them ;)
[HD2 General] itje:
if ppl wanna be stupid claiming that Leo dont have the compass, its ok with me..

But Leo has the compass, and has had it in the last 2 leo builds I have..or was it 3?? cant recall :p
[HD2 General] maati:
Who knows, maybe those builds weren't from a Leo after all, or the compass app in there works with GPS only or even doesn't work at all... on the other hand, why would HTC make a compass app if there was no compass in their devices?

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that it has the compass. A German online retailer lists the Leo and has the compass in its description.
[HD2 General] ccristal:
Is it the same retailer that lists it for EUR 1225? ;-)
[HD2 General] makeveral:
B3ler3fonte i've done a .cab with both digital compass apps,the one by HTC that will come with the Leo and the debug tool app.I've also included the driver for it... but i may have missed something or it may need some other updated files...

can you try it and let us know if it works?

thanks!

regards
[HD2 General] tbfl:
I don't know why, but HTC has not released a tri-band HSDPA device since the TyTN II
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
There is very low demand for devices that can do 3G everywhere, and more bands mean larger devices and higher costs. So at the moment the system they use - making multiple versions of most of devices - is quite sensible. The Touch HD didn't come to America, and the HD2 probably won't come to America, because they're very high-end devices that won't sell in huge numbers (especially in countries like the US where mobile phone technology is behind the times) so the costs of developing an American version are therefore just too high.

Haha...Brilliant stuff! Hopefully we'll get a definite answer soon...
[HD2 General] 40oz2Freedom:
Good points and sad but true for us in the States :(. Right now I'm just hoping the Telstra HD2 will be true so we'll have an option that works on ATT 3g.
[HD2 General] maati:
German retailers often do this.
[HD2 General] skotten:
There has been a lot of chatter around the compas part of the phone, but i'm more interested in the HD2's ability to work both as an usb host/client. According to pdadb.net it should have the host ability, but can any betatesters confirm this?

Best regards Skotten.
[HD2 General] maati:
I'm pretty sure that the USB-Host has already been confirmed by someone who had the Leo in his hands. I just can't remember where.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Which german retailer lists the HTC Leo for 1225 EURO ?, a new iPhone 3GS (unlocked) cost ~450 EURO, and with all due respect the Leo is NOT such a breakthrouh that can justify paying 3X the money.
[HD2 General] skotten:
Sweet, then i'll start to develop a oscilloscope/frequency analyser immediately :D.
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
+1 for this :D
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Waiting for HD2

I've been following the Leo for about 2 months and i think it will be a worthy replacement for my Touch HD. After reading this thread I think we have a pretty good understanding about the features of this phone, but why won't HTC go official with a statement or something. The phone showed up on a Dutch Powerpoint presentation, in a O2 catalog and there are people who are testing the device. Did HTC forget that they have this phone or what? Anyways, I just have to keep waiting for the announcement
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
I agree. The rumour is(was) that O2 is releasing this phone on 12th Oct. If they are, then I think they are leaving it a bit late too announce it!

O2 have been raving about the Palm Pre on their website for ages, and also the iphone.

I know the HTC Leo isnt as 'big' as either of these phones, (only due to the fact that there are so many palm and apple fanboys out there and the HTC is a more sophisticated phone so wont appeal to the masses(dont get me started lol)) but seriously, I wouldve thought that they wouldve confirmed to the pubic that they are actually selling it.

I think the rumoured release date of the 26th is more likely, or beyond.

Like i said a few posts ago, im working at an O2 shop on the 12th so will pump them for info.
[HD2 General] fards:
or the people that have these test devices have very early builds of the software, that don't have it in.

From what I'm seeing these leaked roms are from T'mob us Leo

O2 are formally launching it on 12th but not shipping it till 26th according to the very friendly and helpful manageress in my local 02 store
[HD2 General] owz206:
Is this phone going to be an O2 exclusive, I'm not to keen on O2, poor signal round my area, tariffs are quite expensive and no 12 month contracts.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
When you say launching on the 12th but not shipping until the 26th what does that mean exactly? I cant wait to ditch my Xda Orbit2 :p
[HD2 General] ccristal:
http://www.logitel.de/handys/marken/htc/leo-schwarz--740.html
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Everyone is pushing 24 month contracts now which IMHO is disgusting. I got my Xperia X1 free on a £50/m 18m contract, thats £900, i shouldve bought the phone for £400 and got a sim only contract.

Thats what I'm doing with the HD2, screw the telcos and their 24 month contracts. I gonna buy the HD2 sim free and get a £15/m sim from Three which gives unlimited texts+internet and save my self a whold lot of money.

And when i want a new phone i just sell it and buy a new one, without having to have two contracts running side by side, or paying one off.

This means basicaly they are going to announce they are selling it on the 12th and then actaully start selling it on the 26th :D

Hey fards, good to see you again, I remember you from the Lexus forums!
[HD2 General] maati:
First of all, you can't get a new iPhone 3GS for 450€ anywhere, not even the 3G. Some stupid people still pay 1000€ for the old 3G on ebay.

Secondly, the iPhone 3GS is not even worth 400€.

And thirdly, the Leo won't cost 1225€. German retailers often list unreleased devices at such prices. The Leo will be 550-650€.
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
What about that:

They removed the Touch HD from their Us Homepage.

I think they are preparing the launch meanwhile its still listed on their german homepage ...

I hope there will be some good news :)))
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
Indeed, I'm guessing that for devices that are not officially priced yet, they put very high prices that are certainly above what the normal price to avoid problems.

For example, if they listed it at an expected price of 550€ but when released the device costs 700€, what do they do with people who pre-ordered it at 550€?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Just having a quick look at 3's website. Their £15 a month SIM-only contract doesn't include an Internet allowance: http://threestore.three.co.uk/sim/

I'm on a "Simplicity" SIM-only contract from O2 which isn't too bad: it's £20 a a month for 600 minutes, 1200 texts, and a free "bolt-on" - there are several possiblities, there, but I went for Unlimited Internet. O2's fair usage policy for "unlimited" Internet is also a bit less draconian than the other providers. You still can't stream audio or video, but there's no set data limit. By contrast Vodafone and Orange limit you to 500MB a month, and T-Mobile to 1GB a month.
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
You get their £10 a month tarrif and get the £5 internet max add on
[HD2 General] maati:
Who? HTC? They never had the Touch HD on their US website, because the Touch HD isn't sold in the US.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
I don't think we'll hear an official announcement about the Leo until Oct 6th to coincide with the official release of WM6.5. It's quite common for PC manufacturers to announce new hardware to go with the OS platform, hence the delay in the official announcement of Leo even though we know almost everything about it already.
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Compass

I just flashed a newish (23 sept) energy rom and in there is a digital compass, sorry for the blurry picture, it doesnt run on my touch hd, but it is an actual program. hoping that the official anouncement clears things up
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
EDIT: never mind.
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
You have to go into a Three shop and get it added on or ring up their CS ine and get it added on. And yes, 3G coverage is amazing, even where I work, which is why im gwtting one when i get my HD2 :D
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Oh yes, I hadn't noticed that before (Energy ROM on my X1)
[HD2 General] trap:
Another vote for O2 simplicity! But was very surprise to hear that they have any filters for audio/video stream. My wife is listening di.fm as well as watching youtube films without any problem on her iPhone 3G with O2 simplicity package.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
There is no technical barrier to streaming audio or video - you can do it - but it is a violation of of the terms of the contract if you do. So if O2 ever catch you doing it, you will be in breach of the contract you agreed to, and O2 is entitled is entitled to cut off or severely throttle your Internet connection, or take whatever other action they deem appropriate.

If you want to stream audio or video then you are supposed to do it over wifi, not over 3G.

Some providers explicitly block access to BBC iPlayer over 3G, I'm not sure if O2 does.
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Oh, sry :9

I was wrong! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] trap:
Thanks Shasarak
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Where do you get your information ?, lol.

For example, this ebay seller (like many, many more) offer the 3GS for $658 USD

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-NIB-Apple-i...ones?hash=item27abfadbca&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

$658 USD equals 449.361 EUR.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
I am on that deal too, and have had no problems streaming audio and video - I didn't know you weren't supposed to. I hardly use it, but when I do (and am away from home) I am streaming all evening. :D I also remember the contract saying that you weren't supposed to tether to a laptop, but I do that quite often without any problems (had to set the "bypass" username to avoid the images being degraded though). I think that if you stay within a sensible limit, they aren't bothered.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Hey guys, someone decided to pit the Toshiba TG01 against the HTC Leo in an SPB Benchmark fight: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/news/21836-leo-o2-rumours-still-growing-2.html#post236687

For those who wants the summary:

1) HTC Leo wins 11/30 tests

2) Toshiba TG01 wins 14/30 tests (three of which were tests the HTC Leo did not get any results in)

3) 5/30 tests had no results or errors

For a more interesting note, the Toshiba TG01 seems to have a staggeringly high score in some of the tests. It has a score of 20,132 in ActiveSync Index (Leo had no results) and 20,000 in Graphics Test: DDB BitBlt (Leo had 137). I'm inclined to think these are inaccurate readings, though.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
thanks fards
[HD2 General] owz206:
Looks like it's coming to T Mobile also.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8432
[HD2 General] adendum:
FYI: whats 650 USD is not 450 euros, directly. When you import, we have to pay alot of taxes, take german ebay for example:

http://handy.shop.ebay.de/Handys-Sm...=1&_sc=1&_sop=2&_ssov=1&_trksid=p3286.c0.m282

cheapest is 599 euros.

There are some things that are cheaper, by flying to the US and buying it there, instead of buying it here... (Did so for Adobve CS4 Master Collection, long live the weak dollar. 3.1k Eur in germany vs. 2.5k USD[1.7k eur])
[HD2 General] maati:
1) The price for something in Europe is usually the same amount in EUR, so something that costs 1000USD in the US is usually 1000EUR here in Europe.

2) I am in Europe and I was talking about European pricing. I know the iPhone is pretty cheap in the US, but, as you can see from the German ebay site, you won't find a new iPhone 3GS for under about 700EUR here.

Thus, the decision is between an iPhone 3GS for 700€ and an HD2 for 600€. Honestly, I'd not even go for the iPhone if it was only 300€.

EDIT:

Turns out that the HD2 may even be as cheap as 533€ in Germany: http://www.mercateo.com/p/252-053507/T_Mobile_HTC_Touch_HD_2_anthrazit_.html
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
If you look here you'll see that it is branded Pro Three.

I will certainly be picking up when my contract ends next feb, I have been wanting a touch HD but it come out just after I got my TP and although I think the software is massivly limiting. I love the screen and form factor of the iPhone (I have an iPod Touch, use it all the time)
[HD2 General] origins81:
It's capacitive, Slashgear confirmed it with ai.rs.blog and the video review

confirms it. HTC being software company as well added multi-touch to Android in cupcake before its officially supported, its not too far a stretch to say they can do the same with drivers and code to support capacitive screens, then again 4:3 is massive enough that everything is finger friendly:D

I love the size of the device, it borders on tablet, snapdragon and 320MB of RAM...I'm SOLD!! This thing is set for success. My guess is it can run winMo 7 like a breeze. No need to upgrade for awhile, it's what makes it good enough for me to come back to WinMo
[HD2 General] origins81:
Hey we got shafted up here on the HD, so I'm not too overly optimistic about the Leo, but I can make the exception to import one. The price tag is what scares me on this device
[HD2 General] Joezhang:
I'd agree, looking at the phone in use, it's just too big for me (YMMV and all that).
[HD2 General] EmilianM:
for me the size is just perfect, it has smaller margins then the HTC HD pr then the iPhone and they can provide you a bigger screen in almost the same general size :)

Look here and you will understand what I meant :) :
[HD2 General] balf:
Word. It all depends on the size of your hands, I currently use a diamond, too small, my brother has the HD, good size but the 4.3 of the Leo will still be fine for me I have shovel hands and fat fingers
[HD2 General] xdaman85:
That is definitely going to be my next phone,

Imagine dual booting android on that as well, its got a capacitive screen, digital compass etc.

And seems like it will be able to run windows mobile 7 when that comes out. :)

Damn you HTC, because of you lot, I have to empty out my wallet like 4 times a year. :)
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
I see. If this is truly meant to be the third iteration in the TP line, then to be honest, that would be rather annoying. I got the impression that HTC always meant for the Touch line to thin non-QWERTY phones while the Touch Pro line is supposed to be the opposite.

Now, though, they're supposed to be the same kind of phones, except the Touch Pro will be more powerful.

Meh, I just hope the Leo is slated for release soon. If it's slated for late 2010 or early 2011, then it would be rather disappointing because other phones will inevitably come out that will have specs which will dampen all the major improvements of the Leo.
[HD2 General] EmilianM:
dose it have a digital compass ?
[HD2 General] sscywong:
Really wish that it will be one of the phones to be released with WinMo 6.5 on 6 Oct (sort of around that day...) :cool:
[HD2 General] xdaman85:
Well according to WMPoweruser a "screen shot from the ai.rs appear to" confirm a digital compass.

Check the link for more information:

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7853
[HD2 General] 10332007:
Some new pictures & video here

If its as good as it looks I definitely want one if it hits the states. Wish they would just release these things with all frequencies for 3g heh.

My only concern is the onscreen keyboard. I love physical qwerty's, but if it can work as well as the iPhones I could probably give up my Fuze for it.
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
its perfect. HTC announces one ultimate device each year.

im gona throw away my current and but it once LEO starts selling
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Searched dozens of shops to find a proper case to put Leo on, coz its screen is so hard to let be scratched, but so far nothing @ all. Hopefully will find one soon, coz otherwise its possible to move around having it abs uncovered.

In any case, Leo is a f*****ng killer even with bet@ SW on it.
[HD2 General] Barguast:
There will probably be more covers once it actually comes out. :p

This phone looks awesome, and will most likely be the next one I get. I wonder if they'll do another model with a keyboard..?
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
A keyboard is a waste of space, if only somebody would develop a truly adequate on-screen keyboard.

I think the Resco Pro comes close.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I think it will be the Touch HD 2. :)

I'm concerned about what the battery life would be like on this - shame it doesn't have an OLED screen. I'm also in two minds about the capacitive touchscreen: support for multi-touch and pinch-zooming = very very good, lack of support for a stylus = very very bad, especially on a WinMo device. The WM 16-bit colour limitation is also likely to be nuisance on a screen that size. Still sounds very promising, though.
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
You know that HTC patented a capacitive stylus? ;)

http://htcpedia.com/news/htc-patents-stylus-for-capacitive-touch-screene.html
[HD2 General] hrcro:
Yes, HTC did patent that kind of stylus, but on ai.rs blog is confirmed that leo is coming without stylus.

Perhapse you could buy it, but then you dont have "slot" in the phone to fit the stylus.
[HD2 General] leventero:
like itt

well this is my next wmphone ,i like the display size and ik hope htc starts putting some internal storage on there devices :mad:
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Most of the tests in which the Leo wins are based on reading or writing files - the TG01 tends to win on anything involving graphics or processing. That might be because the Leo is trying to run TouchFLO at the same time as running the benchmarks; but, when you bring in the Acer F1 benchmarks as well, it's starting to look as though HTC has managed to produce a rather slow, slightly crippled Snapdragon device compared to its Snapdragonish rivals. Still, most of what it does will be sufficiently much faster than the previous generation that it will be "fast enough", I suspect.

It'll be interesting to see how devices based on Samsung's "Hummingbird" processor match up. (I suspect it will be paired with a much better GPU than Snapdragon uses). Nvidia Tegra devices will be an interesting comparison too.
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
And practicing bait and switch to boot. T-Mongrel promised me a 12 month contract if I was willing to pay $50 more on the phone, and I said that's fine, but when it came time to sign the contract, they would not offer the 1000 anytime/free eves & weekends deal (which came with the original 24 month contract I was offered).
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
I dont know if you can do this in the US, I presume you can. I dont know what your money situation is like but... Buy the phone outright, save up for a couple of months or buy on a credit card and pay $50 a month of it, then buy a sim only contract from somone for a lot cheaper per month than an 18month contract would be. And never feel tied down by a telco again!
[HD2 General] orb3000:
http://www.unwiredview.com/2009/09/30/htc-hd2-leo-made-official-by-o2-sort-of/
[HD2 General] grayme:
I plan to be getting it with O2 (as long as they don't class it as an XDA... :rolleyes:), as I get 30% off the line rental. If this is priced as an eyefone it should be £100 then £24.50 a month (600 mins, 1000 texts, unlimited internet) over 18 months = £541. Simplicity at £14 a month would be £252, the phone costing more than the £289 difference.

Unless I can get some kind of redemption deal... :cool: