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[HD2 General] chris10230:
no not at all that one is very interesting maybe they will beat o2 on contracts?? Maybe its time to move networks!

also @bemymonkey its possible on any to do it you just have to find the reg entry to enable it. I thought at least. With G-profile it was a little bug where wifi never turns off in standby... so it is possible.
[HD2 General] Der_Immitanz_konverter:
You can change it:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Suspend\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}

-change (Default) DWORD Dec to 1

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Resuming\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}

-change (Default) DWORD Dec to 1

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Unattended\{98C5250D-C29A-4985-AE5F-AFE5367E5006}

-change (Default) DWORD Dec to 1

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\BCMSDDHD1\Parms]

"HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended"=dword:00000001
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Cool, does that work for cellular internet as well? How's the battery drain?
[HD2 General] Der_Immitanz_konverter:
Does it interrupt when the device goes to standby? I cant remember when i used gprs/3g last time.

Anyway, i cant find such a tweak right now.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
I don't use a lot of cellular internet either, but was planning on getting a flat with either the Leo or the N900... the N900 apparently stays online even when the device is in standby, so I was wondering if the Leo can do the same.
[HD2 General] mike91t:
I talked to my local US T Mobile dealer today. The manager confirmed the HD2 is coming to the USA T Mobile in "jan-feb" 2010. He said they've had conferences on it already.
[HD2 General] orelsi:
Stop thinking I'm attacking the HD2 and defending another phone. It was just an example.

Your comparison is not objective. TP2 has missing features like a camera flash and a 3.5mm audio port.

Judge every device by the features available on the market for its current time frame. To compare it to the HD2 in the way you did is like saying, my phone in 2014 will have a quad core processor so the HD2 sucks....

I hope this is clear enough. Anyway, nice to see you accepting the truth that those missing features hinder your overall capabilities. It doesn't mean that you shouldn't buy it or like it. That's your prerogative. We just have to be honest and objective.

That's your personal experience concerning both buttons.

The problem is that most people still press their capacitive screens aftter years of using them. That's just human nature. Moreover, with the current Microsoft and HTC campaign to promote their soft/devices as usable by anyone not just tech enthusiasts, that number of people will increase. Looking at the bigger picture, people will have problems using a soft b utton for taking pics.

Also, this:

Originally Posted by X1-owner

My biggest problem with lack of dedicated camera button is not about having a button to get to the camera app. I want a dedicated button for taking the picture. Having to do it by pressing the screen is unnatural, and it is more difficult to keep it steady while taking the picture. Taking pictures without a shutter button just makes the whole process more messy resulting in a lower average picture quality.

By the way, good post. Nice to see people are still able to read and understand others' opinions and not outright attack them. That's how we get a good debate. Thumbs up.

I mostly agree. There is a device for every taste and requirement out there. The issue here is that the HD2 is marketed as premium, high-end, top of the line pocket pc phone. When you hear that description, you get a corresponding thought in your mind about a device that can do it all and act as a PC replacement.

I don't want to convince anyone to hate a certain device or change their opinion about buying it. Buy it and be happy with it.

I just want people to look at things objectively and what is better for the device itself and its capabilities :).

If you don't want a certain feature, fine, get the phone and enjoy yourself, but don't tell me that device will be better with that part missing.

P.S. May I have a 4inch screen + a d-pad? :D

Absolutely spot on :D!

Unfortunatelly we cannot wait forever and have to get inferior devices while we wait for the perfect one (the one with the personal teleporter :)).
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I did ages ago, but I didn't have any idea of the date. I would be tempted to move to Vodafone if I had not discovered today that my Vodafone SIM seems to have died...
[HD2 General] DialecticThought:
Long time lurker, first time responding. I'd hate for this to be my first post but I could not resist.

Mithrandir's sarcasm drenched post flew waaaay over your head, didn't it?

You claim that you are being so scientific and yet you made some subjective statements in your drivel. How can you call yourself being objective when it is evidently clear you have strong biases against other people's preferences which such remarks as "Iphail" and "Itard." Your holier than thou attitude and "I don't post insults because I view everything objectively" tripe is getting very tiresome. Can't call yourself objective when you don't even know the meaning. "My opinions are based on objective facts..." Your opinions are just that, opinions. Opinions are subjective. What YOU prefer and what YOU feel to be the perfect device may not be someone elses cup of tea. Just because you need a hardware keyboard (or unwilling to adapt) does not mean the next Joe-Shmoe cannot type faster or more efficient than you on a virtual keyboard. Stop being myopic, take off the hater glasses, and quit calling everyone fanboys just because your definition of the perfect device needs to be littered with a million hardware buttons.

All you have proven here is that you are unable to write a thought without changing it mid-stream.

I pray that your thesis or whatever this crap was dries up like crap in the sun.
[HD2 General] orelsi:
Talk about missing a point lol.....
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Advance congrats on 1.5k posts.

nice way to get to the mark;)
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Look guys he is just not worth the effort so lets get the pitchforks and tar now and chase him out of town.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
OK certain people here have convinced me. Obviously this device is "fail" and for a phone to be perfect it has to have absolutely every possible accessory, feature, and tool.

Obviously HTC need to quit failing with these lame super under-specced devices and give us the phone equivalent of this. Loss of any one of those components would immediately make the knife less than it should be, and any knife needs every one of those components to be an acceptable pocketable tool.

We're all no doubt waiting for the phone equivalent of this which will be dubbed the "O" phone. All will love its perfection, lack of flaws, and equal appeal to all.
[HD2 General] 12aon:
I'm still mad that they haven't designed the chip that will fool me to believe that I actually am a HTC phone, damn HTC f***-ups...
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
Can anyone confirm this phone comes with Snake pre-installed? If it hasn't, HTC have really fecked it up. How they can miss such a vital bit of software is beyond me. My life is incomplete.

I'm out.
[HD2 General] audscott:
I thought you were serious until I clicked the link.....good one!

The feature-set has been discussed to death, leaving only a trail of invishield adhesive as evidence. The comparisons to other phones, I which this or my phone can beat-up on your phone, which insanely "fun" to read, muddies up the brains of those who can scarcely think clearly anyway (me, for example).

So there! I got my little bit of crap on the inside of your computer screen. :D
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
I've lost the will to live now - I don't care anymore - my life is meaningless without the phone
[HD2 General] ilordvader:
I need a Phone

better to wait for HD2 ;)

But waiting is the difficult part :(

so for now will get the Touch Pro2 from ATT

& sell in a month when HD 2 is out

wont loose money cos only paying $300

& sell for more ;)
[HD2 General] mojohio:
Vader- That's what I was thinking of doing with the Tilt2 and the HD2. But, how are you getting the phone for $300? Is that non-contract? What if the HD2 is never released by AT&T? Am I correct in assuming if AT&T doesn't release the HD2, there will not be a release that will support their US 3G bands?
[HD2 General] jackhappy:
Just as a reminder to everyone that will be buying the T-Mobile USA version of the HD2, don't forget to get your 35% Bing Cashback when Q1 2010 rolls around =)

Couple that with the "Everything Unlimited" $50/mo plan (T-Mobile's Project Dark), and we'll be set!
[HD2 General] Sc4Freak:
The irony here is so thick that you could cut it with a knife.
[HD2 General] galaxys:
Good Tip! I'm more than ready to buy this bad boy :cool: hope I can wait till next year :eek:
[HD2 General] audscott:
Ditto....I nearly pre-ordered at Expansys USA.....m.u.s.t r.e.s.i.s.t :D
[HD2 General] audscott:
Rumor is....and this is nothing but...T-Mo will carry this in the US. I hope I haven't jinxed us. :eek:
[HD2 General] gotanewphone:
the wait...sigh

damn im in the US too so it will be a long time.

If tmo usa gets this they better not change the physical appearance of it, for ex. touch pro 2 "mocha". just put that tmobile/myfaves badge on and its good to go.

Only thing i can really complain about is the micro usb port, htc has been making devices with mini usb/proprietary port then this happens...wtf (please do correct me if im am mistaken). gotta buy more accesories...

other than that, cant wait for the phone

oh there were a few post back in this thread about the free ram remaining was around 22mb, any news?
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Micro usb is the new standard across all (well, most) manufacturers, get used to it. The positive thing about this is that I guess you won't need brand/model specific chargers anymore
[HD2 General] warenbe:
really???????
[HD2 General] depl0y:
I pre-ordered this phone with a store in the Netherlands and they told me they will be delivering it next week. I am not really sure that actually can be done, because HTC mentioned the phone becoming available the first week of November.

The price for the phone isn't really that bad.

I have been an iPhone user/developer for the last 2 year (well developer since last year) and I am ready to try on something new. I hope the SDK's for Windows mobile 6.5 will be released soon, so we can do something nice with all the features of the HD2.

Edit: ow wait, downloading the SDK now :D
[HD2 General] gotanewphone:
yeah i found the page, 106. there was a video

http://vimeo.com/6970304?hd=1 and at around 2 mins it shows the ram and storage specs. i hope it has more ram than that, some people think its just a early model so its not accurate representation of the phone???
[HD2 General] Roguestar:
engadget found some T-Mobile promo material last week:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/htc-hd2-turns-up-in-purported-t-mobile-usa-materials/
[HD2 General] warenbe:
you're right

but i think this is because he's testing the phone. as we can see, he launch some apps and close it, but i think they are running in background. if he launched 10 or 15 apps it can explain the memory :o

i hope...

btw i don't think that suddenly TF3d would consume more ram than the previous version...
[HD2 General] warenbe:
i've watch some vids about the omnia 2

is it me, or is the omnia 2 lagging????

i wonder if i'll bought an omnia or a HD2
[HD2 General] owz206:
I just notice that O2 prices for the Sony Ericsson Satio are free only on a £75 18 month contract, £200 for a £35 18 month contract.

It looks like the Hd2 is going to be pretty expensive on contract with O2, crazy prices :eek:
[HD2 General] manuelcalavera:
damn , the video of the screen rotation that has been leaked recently is so insane cuz it is as fast as Zune HD , its just a glance
[HD2 General] AyeGee:
What does they mean that it had HTC Sense? Is it something other than Manila?
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
No, it still has Manila. They're just calling the new, improved Manila, coupled with every other customisation they make to WM, "HTC Sense". To be fair, all the Android version of HTC Sense is, is a lot of customisations and bits TouchFLO 3D. It also makes a lot of sense for them to group all of their customisations to Android and WM under a single name that makes sense to general consumers.
[HD2 General] hmota78:
IFAIK the "HTC Sense" goes much deeper into WM than the original TF3D, which was just running on top of WM. Turning off TF3D in Settings won't turn off HTC Sense, which will still be running.
[HD2 General] aiwama:
HD2 on T-Mobile UK on November 6th (!?)

Just called T-Mobile UK. At first the guy said he knew nothing about the HD2.:confused: Put me on hold, went to check and said that their internal system has it as being ready for delivery from November 6th. :pAsked him to confirm if he meant November 11th and he said that it will definitely be on November 6th!:D
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I did say "coupled with every other customisation they make to WM", meaning things like their own apps, the task manager, pinch & zoom and their replacement menu system. Obviously those things are independent of the today screen plugin. It's just an update to what they were previously doing to WM, rather than something totally new, which is the point I was trying to get across.

Awesome! If O2 are going to delay the HD2 until around then, I'm going with T-Mobile unless O2 give me a massive discount because T-Mobile's signal is much better than O2's signal where I am (HSDPA vs no signal or very poor GPRS).
[HD2 General] Sc4Freak:
Yeah, that's kind of the problem with WM. It doesn't support many of the HD2's hardware features. FM Radio, accelerometer, multi-touch, proximity sensor and light sensor aren't accessible via. the WM SDK because WM doesn't officially support it. And I don't think HTC has released an SDK so that the public can access these features.

You might need to wait for the community to reverse engineer HTC's code before access to those hardware features becomes available.
[HD2 General] jonneymendoza:
New video http://www.mobiletopsoft.com/board/6621/htc-hd2-windows-phone-walkthrough-video.html

I cant wait for this. will it be a free upgrade on UK t mobile?

I am still debating whever i should get it though as its running WM. i prefer android
[HD2 General] quicksite:
2 comments:

1. I think "pinch to zoom" is overrated -- and really just a competitive marketplace homage to the iphone. Hats off to apple for reinventing the touchscreen phone experience -- but I have to say that browsers for WM like Opera, Skyfire, netfront, all have a double-tap to zoom -- which is way easier, ergonomically.

In a few years we'll be seeing people in physical therapy for "repetitive stress injury" caused by over-use of the﻿ finger muscles for pinching and widening. Irrelevant now.

2. I know you are preferring android's entire UI -- but you should at least be aware of the "android-like" app launcher developed here at XDA by simo -- the same guy who 2 years ago developed the iFonz interface.

Androkkid is a lot lot nicer... and of course you'd be able to run it on any Windows phone. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=540428
[HD2 General] depl0y:
I am wondering (and yes there has been speculation about it), if WM7 can be installed on this device and hopefully the SDK for WM7 will support it. If WM7 is really coming in 2010, then the SDK can't be far away either.

I looked throught the SDK of WM6.5 and while it supports a lot of features the accelerometer isn't there.. Which sucks.

Also, you have to build the entire interface yourself, or just use WM6.5 controls to show the information you want, but those arent exactly finger-friendly....

Also: the car-kit thing will be available from december. It seems like an excellent replacement for my current TomTom, but I am still figuring out if TomTom on this device also supports live-traffic.
[HD2 General] jonneymendoza:
I like android UI because im an adoird developer and it is a dream for developers make stuff on. Can the Android OS be flashed and ported into the device? As far as i know, there is not many difference between each HTC device including the HTC hero and other android devices.

Like i said, the WIM 6.5 is what is giving me second thoughts about getting this phone. Also worried about the battery life
[HD2 General] why_999:
I'm not a developer, but I hear its easier to develope programs for Andriod and MacOS than for WM.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I find that difficult to believe. I bet there are much more developers using C++ (or even C#) than there are those using Java or Apple's peculiar Objective C.

Some things would be tricky because there's no support for flashy stuff like multitouch or making nice finger-friendly non-standard UI because there's no native support for that in WM. Otherwise WM is very similar to Win32 and therefore very easy to code for.
[HD2 General] depl0y:
Well, if you would be a developer, then you would know that it also matters on which platform you normally work. I have been a Windows developer for about 9 years now, using either C++ or C#. Like any product of Microsoft, there is a good development platform and huge collections of documentation.

I also have been developing apps on the iPhone in objective C, which was an easy transition. I dont really think one platform is a lot harder than the other. All you need is experience to get something running.

But there is an advantage on WM (for me), Managed Code! :D
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
extended battery video

Found this video where a small part is about the extended battery pack.

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8881

Hope no one has posted this before :)

And this if you're a HTC fan http://www.youtube.com/HTC#p/a
[HD2 General] br3nt:
recently I emailed HTC, this is what it was about....

The Answer:

thats what I have on it so far :P
[HD2 General] warenbe:
lol... yes for sure, the TP got a proper 3d driver, everybody now that!! :/
[HD2 General] why_999:
This is just for my knowledge and everyone hear that doesn't understand programing (I understand this is/was a developers website).. but why are windows phone on the bottom of the food chain when it comes to programs for your everyday user, such banks and other institutes

for example

are releasing applications for the iPhone, blackberry and then MAYBE windows..

So if its not easier?? its just for a greater audience/ user base??

This might be a naive question, but I would like to understand this topic and no better than XDA to get a decent answer..(so please no sarcasm or smart ass comments ;) we've had enough in this thread)
[HD2 General] surur:
Its a question of whats fashionable. Thats all.
[HD2 General] warenbe:
currently, the iphone is "the phone to have" if you want to be blink blink. so it's easier to deploy programs if everybody talk about iphone. for the WM, it's only "power user", there is really few poeple who own a WM just "for fun". so selling an app is more difficult.
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
Thanks for the effort, but its not exactly a clear answer ( at leased not for somebody like me who is new to recent HTC devices, and who knows about the bad press that HTC has gotten in the past, for several devices with no 3d drivers ).

And to be honest, those Graphical scores are actually worse then my 4 years old Dell x50v. And that device's GPU is only 1/20 of whats in the Snapdragon...

That makes me conclude that its not using any off the GPU's capabilities. Maybe those test models that you, and other people have, are missing the driver because its not a final rom version, but even so... Its not exactly normal for all those graphical tests to show a bad score like that.

Some very old benchmarks ( from 2004! With the RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi Sample ).

1st : Dell X50v (CPU PXA270 wMMX 624 MHz, Intel 2700G chip) : Average Speed 180.03%, Bench. Frame Rate 43.21

2nd : HP hx4700 (CPU PXA270 wMMX 624 MHz, ATI 3220 chip) : Average Speed 158.18%, Bench. Frame Rate 37.97

3rd : Toshiba e830 (CPU PXA270 wMMx 520 MHz, no graphics co-processor) : Avg Speed 136.24%, Bench. Fr Rate 32.70

-> Your results:

RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi --> 232.99 / Video Frames: 3635

So, 232% ( i'm assuming its % based on the information posted ).

So, the x50v using its 4 year old 2700g GPU, is able to get on the same sample 180%... Unless i'm very wrong, it looks like the 232% is done in pure CPU rendering.

The x50v's 624Mhz Cpu ( what is about 2 a 3 times slower then the capability of the Snapdragon's peak performance ), did 97%. And as posted about, +-180% using the GPU.

Take the 97%, and multiply it times 2.5 as a average for the Snapdragon, and you get... 242%... Almost spot on to the test data...

So, that confirms to me, thats its doing its decoding pure on the CPU, and not on using the GPU for any offloading at all.

On the other hand, when, if, offloading is possible, with that GPU, we will see some extreme speeds possible i assume? If a old x50v can go from 97% to 180% using GPU offloading, then any snapdragon device, with the GPU that has way more capability, needs to be able to some amazing stuff...

A quote from BetaBoy ( CorePlayer )

In other words, the versions used on those old rom's are not using the hardware acceleration. :(

Hope this is interesting for people.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
The current video benchmarks are taken from coreplayer results(i beleive so), which is not capable of using hardware acceleration for the same reason you have mentioned.

But, what about the video playing capabilities of default wmp?

Iam sure wmp uses hardware acceleration as it does with blackstone.

Anyways, it wont be serving the purpose for most , as wmp only supports some specific formats:(
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
If you want to have full hardware acceleration on snapdragon based device buy tg01. It is going to fully support snapdragon's hardware acceleration and with version 2.0 they add support for NEON which should speed things up for those devices that don't have FULL H/W acceleration. If you want to see how powerful snapdragon is even with partial H/W acceleration search on youtube videos showing coreplayer on TG01.

Things should change in the future when DirectShow support will be added into CorePlayer. But even with only CPU decoding it is more than capable of delivering smooth playback and considering that HD2 doesn't even have TV-out(not mentioning HDMI!) nothing more than 800x480 is needed.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Well, this doesn't make me feel any better. I think that it's been established already that those phones (diamond, diamond 2, pro, pro 2, and HD) DON'T have proper drivers for full hardware acceleration, and it seems that HTC will continue in this tradition, and just deny that there ever was a problem.

I don't like the smell of this.

There is still some hope if you're an optimist though. All available benchmarks of HD2 are made on pre production samples, and show only OpenGL ES 1.1 capabilities, though the Snapdragon should be capabale of OpenGL ES 2.0

I have been thinking about three scenarios that might change things:

1. The benchmarking tool used has not been updated to take advantage of the higher capabilities of the Snapdragon (i.e. OpenGL ES 2.0).

2. The actual release devices with the final ROMs have the full drivers on them.

3. It has been suggested that the version of TouchFlow3D on the HD2 is interfering with the benchmarking process The Touch HD benchmarks to which the HD banches have been compared were AFAIK made on a very different ROM (and possibly very optimized). I don't know how this would affect the benchmarks, but I would prefer to see compared benchmarks with as similar ROMs as possible.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
What are the chances of lifting the proper drivers from a TG01 and cooking them into a HD2 ROM) (I have no experience of ROM cooking myself)