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[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Both of ur questions kind match, so according to Leo's quality, i have to say that its astouning! Really well processed, with nice quality materials, from any point of view. Nothing seems to be cheap on it, and undouptfully especially about its screen, which can easily take ur eyes off, especially if u have a HQ video on ur microSD. I'm posting another 2 pic of a closer look at the back, for u to see what i am talking about.

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009032.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009031a.jpg

So, the middle part of Leo's back consists of an absolutely metal design which u have to carefully remove it from one of the sided corner, in order to take the battery off in case u need so (so far i haven't :p), either to install ur USIM, or simply insert ur new SDHC microSD card (u will def need one). The other red arrows, indicate the parts which r not metal, but i think by the way the rest of Leo's back looks, is a mixture of fine plastic and metal, resulting in something which u can't call it, either metal or plastic :rolleyes::rolleyes:. The only plastic sign in Leo's body is probably the front bottom buttons, but STILL none of Leo's materials can be compared to previous HTC design's, or even compared to HD I ;) :)

Regarding to official release date, yet as i said in previous post, nothing is sure and can change from day to day, from hr to hr. All depend on the company itself. As for ur cam question, focus, works really fast, but still with BR1 SW on it, it has loads of space for further improvement which will be done for sure, as far as i know. Video resolution is 640x480 as a classic VGA one and its really satisfying as well.
[HD2 General] surur:
There are actually a few, but they tend to be industrial rugged devices.

Surur
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Yes, this.

I myself don't play much videos on my phones and GPS looks fine to me on my 2.8" Raphael. However, I do need a large screen because I'm an avid reader. I am reading books, documents, news articles, and etc constantly. Doing this kind of stuff on the Raphael is not bad, but of course, doing it on the Leo would be 10x better.

Honestly, there are just so many benefits to a larger screen that I myself don't understand people who expresses confusion towards those willing to give up some amount of portability in order to have it.

Oh, and meanwhile, I have to express thanks to B3ler3fonte. I had created this topic partly in amazement at the specs of the HTC Leo and partly as a cry of frustration towards HTC for taking so long to take a step forward in their line of phones. However, thanks to you, the topic became something a bit more special (and actually went beyond my expectations of 2-3 pages :D).
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
B3ler3fonte thanks sooo much for sharing this information and answering questions.

Now ... is screen covered with some sort of teflon or whatever (like iPhone 3GS) ? How easily screen get dirty, oily, etc ?

USB host is amazing news ... did you try to plug keyboard or HDD or Pen drive (with proper cables) ? Did it show up in a system ? How does it show up ?

Now I know it is a lot to ask, but here is topic on HTC HD benchmarking

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=516190

I would LOVE to see how Leo stands against my HD :)
[HD2 General] mutantblack:
oh please please tell me Leo has AT&T bandwidth.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
http://www.clove.co.uk/viewProduct....9DF7F61-E016-49C2-9E2E-110EF5161BA1&Category=
[HD2 General] tibursio:
This is a topic about the HTC Leo and not the Acer F1, why did you drop that link in here?

@ B3ler3fonte, thank you for the pics and the answering of our questions.

How long will you have the phone for testing?
[HD2 General] bugsy:
I read on another board where there would be 3 variants, one for North America, one for Europe and one for Australia. I'm not sure how firm that is, at least it provides some hope. In addition, it was posted in another place (with screen captures) that the Leo is already listed on the Telstra support site which should at least provide an option for North American ATT users just like the current Telstra HD does.

For those concerned about size I made a cardboard cutout with the posted dimensions and this thing is only marginally bigger in height and width than an iphone or an hd and slightly thinner than both.
[HD2 General] mutantblack:
I sure hope so. HD never made it to US. Granted you can buy and use it in US with at&t on Edge but I really want 3g and more.
[HD2 General] owz206:
Actually tried the cardboard cutout option just to gage the size, and your right, not as big as I thought it would be. :D
[HD2 General] Hamidxa:
Oh, enough with the histrionics, please.

The phone is not *THAT* large.

A lot of people automatically conflate the large screen size with the phone being that much larger too, but you, like most perhaps, forget just how SMALL the BEZEL is on this phone compared to every single other phone out there.

Don't believe me, then perhaps this will shed some light on things:

http://www.sizeasy.com/page/size_comparison/25556-HTC-Leo-vs-Apple-iPhone-vs-HTC-Hero

It's BARELY larger than the iPhone, by 6mm to be precise. (for reference 1 in = 25.4 millimeters, so it's wider and taller than the iPhone by a whole 1/4 of an inch, while being thinner...seriously that can't be a point of discontent)

6 mm is NOTHING when the screen itself is nearly an inch larger than the iPhone's.

Just goes to show you how much space is wasted by bezels on other devices.
[HD2 General] mutantblack:
I really don't mind the size at all. It might look big but compare to iphone which I used to have, just like Hamidxa mentioned, it's only 6mm bigger. I know my pant can fit that phone easily and I will appreciate that screen every time I use it.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Had came across when searching the net for something else.

The major specifications comes very near to Leo.

1. The F1 is also having Snapdragon 8250,

2. Screen size is nearly as big(3.8")

3. WM6.5

4. Camera- 5 MP, No front just like Leo.

5. ROM-512MB, 256MB

Important thing is, the price range of another snapdragon equivalent (Not really- but almost) to Leo.
[HD2 General] bugsy:
Actually if you buy a Telstra HD you'll get 3G if you have an 850MHz tower in your area. The last I read was that ATT was expected to complete the 3G transition to 850Mhz by December. Keeping my fingers crossed for both.
[HD2 General] an123:
mobipocket has two tap zones too...the screen is split vertically into two halves..so u can go back or forward by tapping on the left or right half of the screen.

good software, and it comes with a freeware creator for making optimised files (prc format) from all ur pdfs, docs etc...i have been using this for some time now
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Some size comparisons here

http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...d2-firstlook.shtml&sl=ru&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Didn't know that (probably tried an earlier version)... Anyway, they don't work for left-handed people apparently and cannot be reassigned.

Using hardware buttons for turning pages is an option, of course. Beside not being as easy as tapping the screen, however, this can kill the buttons themselves if you read a lot (this had happened in less than a year on two of my WM machines).
[HD2 General] milka:
The only app that I'm aware of that will read .lits well other than MS Reader is Tiny eBook Reader. Does a reasonable job. I've sort of dumped .lits though. I've found that Foxit Mobile 2.0 does a great job with reflowing every pdf I've thrown at it. Now if they'd just spend a small amount of effort on the UI, it would be the greatest mobile app ever created as far as I'm concerned.
[HD2 General] ChefChaudart:
eXpansys says it´s in stock by their provider, but still 35 days :(
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Any more on this?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Disabling Manila is as easy as going to Settings - Personal - Today - Items and unchecking a box.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
According to the interview with Engadget, HTC said that disabling the Leo's Manila will not be as easy as pressing a key, and that it will be "rather challenging"...

I think they know that the Capacitive screen of the Leo can not handle windows mobile screens (with all the small boxes), so disabling the Manila is not an option.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Actually, the HTC rep in one of the videos said it's more than that... supposedly it's not just a checkbox any more, because the skinning is pretty extensive.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I have no idea why anybody would want to replace Manila with SPB stuff, but if you do, don't worry, it will be possible. There aren't too many ways to launch applications or services in WM, and each and every one can be disabled. Even if they hardcoded system executables or libraries to run Manila (which is almost guaranteed not to be true), it can be hacked.

Why did you decide this is the case?
[HD2 General] jdlorinser:
Nice Find!
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Simple reason: Manila doesn't allow you (in any way) to see/add your tasks, you can only do it for appointments. Those of us who use their device for work (and not only for pleasure), might find this problem big enough to kill Manila.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Why not just use the regular Windows Mobile "Tasks" app?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
You guys seen this yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N63otP9Gu-4

:)
[HD2 General] grayme:
Yep, it was posted a few days ago. :p
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Because it is disabled in Leo's manila. And even if you found a way to enable it, it is not programmed for capacitive screens. Also, the calendar app of the Leo won't show the taks...
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I use it for work 75% of the time and use tasks a lot. It's true that Manila doesn't show the number of active/overdue tasks on its Home screen, and it's an inconvenience, but not a showstopper for sure. I just have my left softkey assigned to the "Tasks" application, and that's it.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
What does that mean?
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Battery pack... Look at the end of the video:

http://www.t3.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/video-and-hands-on-htc-hd2-review
[HD2 General] Canterbury:
good find - i notice she said it comes with a 2GB microSD card as well...

yeay - got the #1000th post - wat do i win....
[HD2 General] grayme:
Only 2GB!?

May as well not have bothered with one in there at all!
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
The card is more likely to be what the service provider includes rather than what HTC give you.
[HD2 General] madindehead:
Do we know if this has exclusivity in the UK at all?

Looking to get/buy one soon if I can. Maybe have to wait until next year if I can't upgrade on Vodafone however.
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
There is no exclusivity in the UK, well maybe O2 will have exclusivity for two weeks to one month, but its not really exclusivity more that the other telcos havent got their ROMs ready yet....i think....from what i can gather anyway.

Like I said many posts ago, I am doing some building work in an O2 store on monday so I will pump them for information.
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Video in pretty good quality that I think shows the sleek design well:

http://vimeo.com/6971510
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
I went into an O2 store today asking about it, and they claimed to not know anything about it (despite the fact they had a catalogue with it in!). I think they have been told ot keep quite about it. The lady in Carphoen warehouse was much more helpful, despite the fact she didn't know if they were getting it, and the guys in T-Mobile kept tryna sell me a TD2 :mad:. They guy in Orange was very honest and said he really wanted it, but hadn't heard anything that would suggest they were getting it, and I haven't had chance to vist vodafone.

In short, I think O2 have limited exclusivity, but the others will get it eventually.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Damn, I must've missed it :p

Hmmm, I find it hard to believe that they completely disabled the tasks program - what would be the point in that? Sure, it might not be integrated in Manila, but why would they remove the program completely? Doesn't make sense to me... Could you provide a link or some other proof that this is the case (this really does interest me, because I use tasks a lot myself and am very interested in the Leo).

Well, that sounds a lot like the tasks app hasn't been disabled (at least in previous Manila versions)... the Manila2D versions I've tried on my Prophet didn't cause any problems with the tasks app either...
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Dang if you look closely at the screen that guy has a huge mole on his face
[HD2 General] sdlopez83:
WOW DUDE!!! Wow i cracked up at that....The things that you pick up on!!!!!! ROFL!!!!
[HD2 General] ilordvader:
HTC HD2 (Leo) Extensive Video Session: 5 Clips

I like the back cover

where it says Touch Pro Three - looks Kool :cool:

The HD 2 cover is just plain black - Sucks :(
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
More size comparison pictures and a video!

http://translate.google.com/transla...&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7SNYK
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Yikes!

Really? I can't see it saying that at all? Perhaps you misread it.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
How can you control the windows tasks program without a stylus ?, it is impossible !!, with a capacitive touchscreen and your finger you have no chance.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I have no problem doing everything on my Touch HD without the stylus.
[HD2 General] Jayman:
It will be coming to O2 T-mobile and Vodafone in the UK - Orange have already stated they will not be getting it, although this may change later.

Has anyone seen a picture or video of the on screen keyboard being used in landsacpe mode?

This will be the deal breaker for me.

I have not been on here in a while (still using a wizard lol), can someone just let me know if via software or firmware on any previous HTC models the TV out option that was not initally included in the specs has been activated?

Again this could be a deciding factor for me.
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Keypad should be the same as TP2:

http://ai.rs/2009/10/htc-leo-video-review/#comment-1112
[HD2 General] Noam23:
Touch HD has resistive screen. Capacitive is far less accurate. You have no chance to control the tasks app well.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Actually, capacitive is more accurate if you're using your fingers, because you don't have to mash the fingers on there as hard... If you can use your fingers for something on a resistive screen (not fingernails, fingers!), you should have no problems at all doing the same thing on the Leo's massive capacitive screen... It shouldn't be a problem, IMO.
[HD2 General] mtbmtbmtb:
A dedicated power button would have been nice, how do you put the phone in sleep mode?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Now that's something I'd love to know :D
[HD2 General] br3nt:
isnt it just the "End-key" ? since its the on-off also? maybe its the long-press-key :P

would indeed be nice to know
[HD2 General] chris10230:
by pressing the call end button, like it is on htc android handsets. It was in one of the vids briefly not a stated feature but it was there... somewhere... :D
[HD2 General] cortk:
I think end-key for sleep for any screen other than whilst in a call. And end-key to end call in the call. Long-press to power off.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Sounds good to me...

Has anyone found some sample pictures from the HTC's camera? Or some videos of someone taking a picture?
[HD2 General] ghost-5:
just took me 2 hours to read through and catch up on 60+ pages worth of reading...

according to this link the leo will be available for free on a O2 18 month 1200 contract (£45)

now i need to find out when my vodafone i900 contract runs out

edit: i've got four months left on my contract :(
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
TheHD2 does have on screen keyboard in landscape mode.

http://wmpoweruser.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/HTC008_1_540x405.jpg

Like you I'm kind of hoping that the TV out may be enabled later, but since HD2 is built on a new platform I don't think that it is necessarily relevant if models build on older platform have had TV out enabled later.

When will we see phones with HDMI out though? That is one feature I would have really like to see on HD2, that and a dedicated camera button.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
My guess is, not until the screen resolution matches one of the resolutions that is part of the standard HDMI specification.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I doubt it, phone screens (WM phone screens at least) seem to have the highest pixel density of most, if not all, consumer devices already.

Most (if not all) WM devices, however, aren't really capable of playing HD content. Many (like Touch HD) aren't even capable of playing SD content without conversion. So the culprit isn't the screen itself, but rather limited GPU capabilities, IMO.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
I just watched HTC's official YouTube ad, and between 0:34 and 0:54 where they show off the weather animations, the Marketplace shortcut is misspelled Marketlace. It is correctly spelled everywhere else in the clip. I just find it funny that they would let something like that slip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0f54DmA4Os
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Can anyone tell me where the microsd slot is on the hd2 please
[HD2 General] jamuk2004:
CPU Scaling

Any news on a cpu scaling application like on the TG01? If not, do you think it could be easily ported? (Devs?)
[HD2 General] HTC Touch Freak:
Completely agreed. But on such a learge screen you should be able to.Atleast with a finger not your Thumb.

Incorrect my sir.You don't need to mash your fingers on resistive. Go ue a touchpro2 or Diamond2. It's all THUMB freindly. Capacitive is different. I use both devices (Cap. and Res.) and do not have any usable finger-nail realestate. Cap. is less accurate with thumb control. The preffered method with one hand use or when texting with 2. A finger on a capacitive is equiviant to a stylus on a old bad resistve. Heck I never used the stylus on my Original touch and that resistive screen sucked. My 1 thumb was like %70 of the screen.
[HD2 General] BrianSkibinski:
Under the batter cover.
[HD2 General] owz206:
New video now online.

http://ai.rs/
[HD2 General] aiwama:
Does anybody know whether or not the T-Mobile version of the HD2 will be left well alone in its splendour or will be painted magenta and tweaked with the usual widgets? I am an old T-Mobile customer, love their plans and want to remain with them when I get to renew in December. However, if there's any magenta crap on the HD2, I might go and take my custom somewhere else.

And finally, what is the difference between buying the HD2 directly from T-Mobile and getting it from somebody like http://powerupmobile.com/? They are taking orders for the HD2 on T-Mobile and Vodafone. If I renew my contract with them, can I keep my mobile phone number? Why are they already advertising the HD2 on T-Mobile when T-Mobile doesn't even mention it? :confused:
[HD2 General] grayme:
aiwama, what does it matter, give it a few weeks or even just days and you'll have ROMs on here... :D
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
The reason why you won't see a WinMo phone with > 800x480 is that the OS can't deal with anything higher. Other OSes have similar limitations: Symbian maxes out at 640x360, and the version of Android on the HTC Hero isn't capable of exceeding HVGA.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Because independents can buy a phone and stick any sim in it that works! Not that hard.
[HD2 General] Jayman:
Thx X1

There is also some footage of it in action on the ai.rs link.

What I am curious about is why Tv-out would get removed as I dont think it requires a separate chip or port - the GPU handles it and the lead uses the 3.5 socket. It may be that the snapdragon doesn't support it?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Interesting - with stock software I thought the iPhone (my go-to model for capacitive screens) was much more responsive and accurate for finger taps than the Touch HD...

Maybe it's just a preference thing, or rather, something you get used to over time? I'm more used to the stone-aged resistive QVGA screen on my Prophet, so both modern capacitive and resistive screens feel like a Godsend to me, but I think if I wanted to use fingers, capacitive would be my preference.

-edit- Just thought of another question: Does anyone know if the USB Host will be able to handle gamepads? Being able to play Tetris or Mario on an emulator with a gamepad would be AWESOME. :D
[HD2 General] marin_andrei:
I think the magnetic north is different from the geographical one. So it needs location to calculate the deviation and show you the geographical north.
[HD2 General] NetRipper:
In one video they started the compass app and turned the device while holding it in place, and the compass apps 'north' turned along (with a sligh delay of a second or so). If the compass is GPS based, it should've moved by at least 1 meter in a certain direction for it to register it I think. Seemed more to me like a genuine compass than an extrapolated one.
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Another Video and pictures here....

http://translate.googleusercontent....le.com&usg=ALkJrhj53QqDFkCcYfNbxpeuyXenKYus5A
[HD2 General] Ovrclck:
that chick is hot! :D
[HD2 General] kersh:
Final video recordings

640x480@ 30fps

little dissapointing, I was expecting 800x480 or 720P

This and the No TV-Out, is a big mistake from HTC
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Its a known mistake from HTC.;)

They may soon make a touch pro3 in few months with Qwerty KB, front cam, TV ot and may be 720P video recording with the same chipset.:D
[HD2 General] gvino:
how are you able to put the phone on standby since there's no dedicated power button.
[HD2 General] kersh:
In the videos, they put the phone on standby and wakeup pressing about 3 seconds one of the buttons
[HD2 General] Jerseyman:
As the Leo is heavily skinned and uses a capacitive screen, does anyone have a view as to how applications with complex screens designed for use with a stylus are likely to work? I am thinking particularly of Pocket Informant
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
That would be really good news, as the TV-out and the video recording should be possible also on the HD2. I don't care about HW KB or front cam, so either way I have no incentive to wait for the pro3.
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
Maybe I'm a bit dumb, but every "serious" reviewer is happily yelling about 448Mb of RAM and how many apps you can run at once, but it's clearly visible on videos, that there's ~200Mb total and ~20(!)Mb free. Am I wrong? :)
[HD2 General] Ev0luti0n_:
what a killer phone!!! :D thanks HTC!
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Well that would suck. I mean, 200MB total would be fine, but only 20MB of that free? Are you sure?

How was this on the Touch Diamond 2/Touch Pro 2?
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
Look at 2:11 here:

http://vimeo.com/6970304?hd=1
[HD2 General] levin07:
I downloaded the video and found the same problem.

It was a prototype.I saw "HTC Pro Three " from its back.
[HD2 General] NetRipper:
I would hope the specs that HTC published themselves on their own site would be accurate, and they say 448 MB RAM. The device in the video is probably, as said above, a engineering phone with less mem.
[HD2 General] levin07:
448 MB must be 320MB + 128MB.

320MB for program.128MB for GPU？
[HD2 General] jag:
I think that too! Most probably yes!

Anyway, does anybody know if the tv-out could be enabled in someway?

Also, is there a USB mass storage option to use the phone as a usb key (with an sd card inserted of course)? I didn't find any option hinting at such a feature in all videos I watched :(
[HD2 General] carrot34:
If the memory card slot is under the battery cover, I'm guessing that that means that you have to turn off the phone to swap a new memory card in? Unless HTC now lets you take the battery cover off and keep the phone running? Anyone know the answer to this? It would suck to have to fully power off and then reboot each time you want to put a different memory card in!

Thanks!

--Alan
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Well, this is really worring.