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[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
Hey Lude,

Why don't you put on some lube and calm your cojones? He had an opinion, and that was it.

This phone is simply just way too big, I'd have to agree. The specs are beastly on this thing, and I personally think even 3.8" on the Touch HD was the ideally perfect size. I have no idea why they'd even want a 4.3".

And personally, unless if this thing is packing a 1850 mAH battery on it, I wouldn't even bother with the phone. 4.3" and a 1Ghz processor + 3G or 4G or what have you. You do the math on how fast before this thing dies in your hand midway through the day. This is assuming that they're using the same old type of LCD-displays that are present in the TouchHD and not some new revolutionary giga-low-powered-screen.

It looks very good on paper, but I'm fairly confident that this phone is going to only attend to a market that is only a fraction of what the TouchHD is focused on now.

Cheers.
[HD2 General] Limlin:
It looks nice. And is it the HTC Touch Pro 3? HTC Leo runs on a 1GHz Snapdragon processor?
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Yes, the Leo uses the Snapdragon processor, but it is not the Touch Pro 3. As far as I know, HTC's Touch Pro line are all supposed to be QWERTY.
[HD2 General] d.cortez:
lucky that we can get the phone, yes. but, we (in the US) would be even luckier if it has the US 3G bands for at&t or T-Mobile!
[HD2 General] bugsy:
Take this with a grain of salt, but the Australian HD sellers on ebay are all clearing stock in preparation for the replacement. It sounds like worse case we'll be able to pick up an unlocked Telstra unit. The big question will be how long and for how much?
[HD2 General] grayme:
From the O2 UK forums, out 12th October

http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=27501&highlight=leo
[HD2 General] orb3000:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4599265&postcount=1
[HD2 General] 40oz2Freedom:
Man, I hope so :D. If the cost is somewhat close to the anticipated $800 or so and not completely ridiculous, I'll find a 2nd job to pay for an unlocked one that supports US 3G bands (hopefully by the end of '09!)...oh crap, here I go getting all optimistic again ;).

Oh and big thanks to B3ler3fonte and everyone else posting the information they're getting. Can't wait to hear the beta testing updates too!
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
Yea, and it would be even luckier if AT&T/Cingular/Cellular 1 (will the real cell company please stand up/only god knows for sure) & T-Mobile would actually offer 3G service in my area, which they've been advertising out the a@@ for the last 2 years, but have yet to deliver !!
[HD2 General] diaf:
B3ler3fonte how loud is the speaker on this phone?, cause i found the HD really really soft

lost my HD to a mugging, guys dont forget to install tracking software if your in position to buy new phone, you will really regret not doing it :/
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
B3ler3fonte, I'll keep coming with Leo questions, sorry :)

What can you say about screen brightness/contrast in direct sunlight ? Since you used it as GPS, once thing I had problem with my HD was that under direct sunlight it was hard to see the screen and map and direction. How is Leo ?
[HD2 General] Fdo35:
Well, it's just that I thought it would be more finger friendly(and look nicer) when you aren't in the TouchFlo 3D interface(some things could still be hard and/or inaccurate to select), but I do understand that it wouldn't really be that big of a problem when it has a 4.3 inch screen.

Just my opinion.
[HD2 General] manuelcalavera:
Since the display is not OLED/AMOLED , how uve compared it to iphone/omnia II ( or other AMOLEDs ) ?
[HD2 General] JetMouse:
B3ler3fonte thanks for the great info you're giving us. My question is how good are the accelerometers on the Leo?

They are pretty poor on my TouchHD with me sometimes having to violently shake the phone to make it switch from Portrait to Landscape - I hope they've improved this!
[HD2 General] Lyptherion:
leaked carrier and release date

i dont know anyone else out there but im not to happy with this news real or otherwise http://www.top10.co.uk/mobilephones/news/2009/09/htc_leo_mobile_phone_landing_on_o2_october_12th/
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Why are you not happy? :confused:

And if you're not happy with the news if it's real, why would you still not be happy if it turned out not to be real? :confused:
[HD2 General] chris10230:
Right well it looks my worst fear has now been answered

http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/htc-leo-doesnt-do-multi-touch-in-pocket-ie

B3ler3fonte can you say whether it works in opera please, if it doesnt then i still stand by multi touch being pretty pointless if it only works in the album sw
[HD2 General] devdarshan:
I agree - if 6.5 has restrictions on using the capacitve screen - whats the point - which would imply that the fuctionality is supported only on HTC apps as they are probably using their own libraries for it!!!

Does Opera support this? No zoom bar on the Leo and with this kind of limitation on using this on the apps - will make it useless a feature !
[HD2 General] shure2:
also the presentation states 5MP camera - I thought it was 8MP :(
[HD2 General] devdarshan:
would be interesting to know apart from the album - where else does the capacitive function work!

somehow - if it works only with Manila tabs and that too the album - it not a big deal than what the HD1 had apart from the 1ghz processor and flash....come to think of it - the Acer F1 is giving the same - at probably half the price !!!
[HD2 General] Lyptherion:
Because O2 have a tendency to re-brand HTC devices heavily shape / software also personally I'm with orange and get a very good deal so would probably be paying a lot more

and if the news isn't real then id be back to having no idea and would be throughly down hearted :(
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Well, to begin, I really don't know why you decided to elaborate on the story. As I said, regardless of why they're doing it, they're still doing it. Understanding the situation does, indeed, make me more sympathetic, but sympathy is not something I take into consideration when purchasing a phone.

Next, I hope you realize that functionality/aesthetics/keeping up with the iPhone all ties into specs. Moreso for WinMo than any other OS. To function well (play multimedia, take photos, etc), you need a certain level of specs. To have good aesthetics, you need a certain level of specs. To keep up with the very fast and very smooth iPhone using WinMo, you need a hell of a certain level of specs.

Usability is great, but there is not one person on Earth you can find who will be happy using a phone that has slowdowns. Of course, both you and I are aware that WinMo can be greatly speed up by modding.

But then again, guess what type of people knows about that? It's not Average Joe, it's the guy who knows and cares about specs.

Lets be reasonable. At one point, accelerometers and digital compasses were useless too. However, by their existence, developers eventually created programs for them.

Of course, Opera probably won't support multitouch on WinMo phones, but that's because there isn't any WinMo phones that supports it. If the Leo has multitouch, then Opera may have a reason to actually implement it into Opera Mobile or at least more of a reason until more WinMo phones supports it.
[HD2 General] dlesher:
oh god

I'm horrified at the thought of the leo not coming to the US. the earlier post was right, we just got over the touch HD not being here. if there are any htc employees reading this, let the rest of the company know.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
It's a given that it is only pre-installed applications that will be able to use pinch-zoom (in the same way as only pre-installed apps on the TP2 can use the zoom bar, and only pre-installed apps on the Hero can use pinch-zoom). The question is merely which of the pre-installed apps will support it. Given that Opera 9.5 on the TP2 was customised to use the zoom bar, I wouldn't be surprised if Opera were customised on the Leo in a similar way. We'll see.
[HD2 General] manuelcalavera:
atleast we have 6.5.x
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Ok so now we need to start campaigning for a dedicated HTC Leo forum!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/25/htc-leo-looking-confirmed-for-o2-uk-debut-will-be-free-on-the-r/

I am definately gonna get a sim free one from o2
[HD2 General] orb3000:
Quoted from Mod JimmyMcGee post:

"I would just like to point out that making new forums is strictly done by and at the discretion of the Administrator.

The Administrator has a VERY large job keeping this large site going."

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4611119&postcount=638
[HD2 General] xchaser:
I want one but not at $800.
[HD2 General] bym007:
Baby on O2

Looks like this baby is coming on O2 on 12th Oct. Lucky, I am in last month of my contract and due a renewal. This is definitely my next upgrade unless O2 are going to charge stupid sums!
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
^^^^ All you chaps from England are quite lucky, I can't even get my hands on a Diamond 2 here in sunny (and humid) Florida.
[HD2 General] :
And in Australia, the Elf still sells for $500 ;P
[HD2 General] AldaR:
why are u guys thinking leo is not coming US.

I m asking becouse I will go US at 14 oct and I want to buy it.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
What is the weight of the new HTC Leo ?

I've read in several sites that it is going to be "quite less" than the weight of the iPhone 3GS (133gr). If this is so it will be amazing, since the HTC Touch HD is a relatively very heavy device (146gr). On the other hand we heard so much false rumors about the Leo (like the inclusion of a digital compass) that I'm not sure...
[HD2 General] mike91t:
good news about the pinch and zoom browser.... http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8339
[HD2 General] chris10230:
Dunno if l3v5y will see this but THANK-YOU for the info and clearing up one of the most important factors about this phone (for me at least), o yeh and mike91t for letting us all know ;)
[HD2 General] theomni:
First off, this definitley is one of the better ends of an HTC phone. No bulk, nice screen, beautiful design, everything. Instead of buying a new laptop, I may just buy this instead. Ever since I got my touch pro, I've had limited need to my laptop when I'm out of home.

But what sucks about it is that this is America...we don't get good phones, and the ones we do get horrifically mutilated into something other than what HTC wanted (take the Fuze, for example). And oh, of course, there's that whole thing of "not wanting to add a phone to our service that will compete with the iPhone." to them, I'd wag a certain finger of mine. I personally hate the iPhone.

One thing that I'd like to bring out that the software that runs the camera is more important than what the MP of that camera is. HTC Touch Pro had a 3.2 MP cmaera, which was decent. So was the picture quality. But the software that ran the camera was horrible and because of that, you'd have to try to take the picture a number of times before you actually got something that you wanted. Especially if the picture you're trying to take is of something that is fleeting. You'd have to turn on the phone, slide over to the picture tab, click on the camera, wait for it to start up, aim, focus, sometimes re-focus, take the picture, keep your hands still, and then you'll hear the clicking noise that picture was taken. Really made me mad, lol

It can have a 12 MP camera, but it's not worth anything if the camera doesn't have a decent software running behind it.

I will dish out the $850 for this phone if everything is near flawless.
[HD2 General] deyanp:
Absence of a digital compass - deal breaker

The phone is great, but the absence of a digital compass would probably be a deal breaker for me. The inability to run navigation apps which similarly to the ones for Iphone automatically re-orientate or display content layered on the map is a big deal ... and we are speaking here about an investment of 600 EUR ...
[HD2 General] Nokki:
Add the absence of video conference camera
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Got rejected with 10000 chars (!!) limitation :eek::eek: so here is the rest of my answers !!

Correct, the screen is not OLED or AMOLED as some Smasung models, like Omnia II (i8000), JET (Qubic 31) are equipped, but i think that judging from the quality and matter of size point of view, far beyond is Leo's screen. Just for all u to know, Leo's screen its HTC's ace on the sleeve ;)

If u have something specific to test about, please do let me know, but my rotating the phone, on images and while typing and so on i must say that Leo's accelerometer are pretty damn fast.

Now i couldn't find the question, but someone asked for Leo's mem usage and how WM 6.5 pro handles it. I must say, that since TouchFlo 3D is loaded once the device boots up, @ least on my device, which u may know its a testing one from SW's perspective (as for the HW and appearance its final market sample, apart from battery's metal cover stating Pro Three, yellowed written), it starts with like 68-70% and with IE, iGO8, F Secure Mobile Security, Core Player on and running on the background, and music playing it reached 83-84% with no stucks whatsoever.But still i think and strongly blv that HTC guys did their job from previous beta testing results and i am sure they did improve this, but i am telling u, it causes abs no prob at all, to handsets usage.

HTC Leo's Benchmark Results:

I must admit that daeron.be did an mazing job for posting these benchmarks regarding Blackstone.I must admit, though i dunno previous results of the devices u ppl own, Leo finished SPB bench's in like 3' tops, though the time was meant to be 15 !!! OpenGL results r posted as well.

SPBbenchmark Results & TestOpenGL Results:

http://rapidshare.com/files/285754378/HTC_Leo_s_Benchmark_Results_27-9-2009.rar

Finally on matrix videos on Core Player 1.3.2 version, with all settings by default and running the benchmarks as guided to, the results are as following:

Matrix Trailers Results (%) ( I can also post the pics i've shot apart from the percentage results) :

RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi --> 232.99 / Video Frames: 3635

RL_MQB_320x240_512_128.avi --> 477.69 / Video Frames: 3634

RL_HQ_640x352_1024_128.avi --> 209.79 / Video Frames: 3635

Thats all up to now guys. Now i have to charge that beasty, coz bench's squezzed it to death :)Hope ull collect ur valaible from this post info each and every one of u and gimme feedback as well, coz don't forget that ur helping m as well in the b3t@ t3st!ng ;)
[HD2 General] HTCP4000PPC:
HTC Leo Great TouchFlo 3D Diamond Type Phone.

lookz liek uh really! good touchflow 3D Diamond phone, wonder if this will make it big in Toronto Canada..

Right on.. HTC S621 is a Real Decent phone too if set up rom wise perfectly. :)
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Thank you for all the info B3ler3fonte!

If you get a chance, it would be great if you could snap a few sample pictures with the built in camera and post them here, so that we could see the quality :)
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Thank u very much for ur detailed answers!

Could someone analyse the results of the benchmark and compare it to the results of HTC Touch HD or any common smartphone?

I looked for benchmark results of the Touch HD unfortunately I didnt found any!
[HD2 General] hrcro:
I tested my hd.

1. and 2. attachment is spb bench of hd and leo, and third is core player result for hd of RL_XQ_640x480_1500_128.avi. Leo result is 232.99 vs 81.89 on hd.

Only strange thing is that graphics index is lower on leo?
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Thank u for ur work!

This gives a good impression about the power of the leo but whats about about the Graphic Index?

Its just half as good as it is on the blackstone, why?
[HD2 General] chocula81:
I think there has been no info about a couple of things... ¿is there a hardware camera button? ¿Tv-out?

Thanks in advance!
[HD2 General] owz206:
Thanks for all the info so far, any chance you could maybe do a video review and post it on youtube or somewhere else ?
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
The Question if there is a camera was asked a couple of times and I guess when I remember right, the answer was no.

So there will be no Tv-out function!

To ur first question, just check the pictures of the leo, do u see more than the 4 buttons at the bottom of the screen?

I guess the buttons on the left side of the phone are just for volume, as it is on the hd ...

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009025.jpg

So from this facts I think there will be no hardware camera button.

Very good comparison between the benchmarks of HD and LEO

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8348
[HD2 General] mightymn:
Hey B3ler3fonte, thanks alot for the benchmarks!

Now that we've seen some nice CorePlayer results on SD video, I think everyone wants to see if it can handle some 720p .mkv ones.

Of course if there really won't be video out, it's quite a disappointment.
[HD2 General] jeannot61:
Why all the new high-end devices have no front camera?

After reading many posts on this HTC Leo around, I found superb. But one thing that bothers me greatly is the lack of front camera for video calls. I'll keep my old HTC HD pending a more powerful device.
[HD2 General] ez2remember:
@B3ler3fonte

I know you mentioned there are stereo speakers but from all the pictures I've seen including yours there seems to be only one speaker grill which means mono speaker. Where is the 2nd speaker grills for stereo? :confused:

If the two speakers are in the same place then that really defeats the object of being stereo because you need separation...

Thanks a million for all your info/replies posted here. I think you swung me away from the N900 to the Leo/HD II! :)
[HD2 General] Leechoonhwee:
For people who asked about pinch zoom on opera, IE, etc. The HD II should be released with 6.5.1 and future build updates from then on will have the function across the ROM. :)
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
B3ler3fonte - thanks a lot !!! What a pleasure to read you detailed answers. It is not so often we have somebody who not only has device before release, but has SKILLS and time and will to answer all our questions and who does KNOW what and how to test.
[HD2 General] mike21pr:
LOOK AT THIS GUYS

The Leo benchmarks are out and it completely and utterly DESTROYED the Touch HD in every single category by at least a margin of 300%

Snapdragon has indeed impressed me
[HD2 General] theomni:
B3ler3fonte, I apologize if this question was asked before. I just saw your post a few pages ago so I'm assuming you have a production copy of the Leo.

My question is how do you find the camera? In terms of picture quality, speed, and usage, waht do you think of it?

Thanks! And I envy you for having that!!! Thanks very much for your help!
[HD2 General] buffalosolja42:
HTC Leo the way to go

I have been talking with co-workers at work (IT Pros, and MS Pros) and we all were talking about technology. With all the advancements in technology and such we were talking about the keyboard leaving the scene anyways. Which makes me lean more towards not buying TP2 and getting a Leo. Another reason even if this device doesn't come with multi touch isn't multitouch native in WM7? Also with voice recognition and such a large screen keyboards will soon be phased out.... I am just looking for input because I am shreeking to get TP2 but after using a Iphone I know I can handle not having a keyboard, just not as speedy.
[HD2 General] theomni:
definitley wait. Leo has enough speed to spare.
[HD2 General] Unbalanced Reaction:
That's what she said
[HD2 General] Limlin:
This new device is larger than HD, TP and any other HTC phones. I always think phones like HD is a litter bit large for pocket but now they announce a larger one...Anyway it's indeed a nice device.
[HD2 General] darkblak:
I spoke to O2 this morning and they said October 19th and they have it listed as HTC HD2.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
rSAP on the Leo?

There is a lot of knowledge about the new phone on this thread. Fantastic!

Can anyone tell me whether HTC has enabled rSAP on the Leo?

A post on pocketnow.com entitled "Why I Hate HTC's New Bluetooth Software" says that HTC has implemented its own bluetooth stack instead of using the Microsoft one, and I am hoping that this means I do not have to go for a Nokia for my new Skoda.:(

Recent VW group (Audi, VW, Seat, Skoda) cars with factory fit bluetooth use rSAP to communicate with the phone, and it seems that only Nokia support it natively in all their high end phones. A few other manufacturers have it in some phones. HTC does not appear to have it in any, though there is a partial work around as posted in Briskoda. However, it has flaws such as the phone not dropping back to stand alone mode when you leave the car.

The HTC finally looks to have everything that I want to move from my HP hx4700 (with its fantastic 4 inch transflective screen) and Motorola phone.

It feels that windows mobile is losing a trick here.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
This is good to know, but I'm not sure if it's what people were asking. :) As well as signal quality, there's also the question of actual sound quality. How loud can your turn up the ear-piece volume? How clear is the voice of the person you are listening to? How loud and clear is it when you switch to speaker phone? How clearly can the person at the other hand hear you? (That depends on things like the quality of the microphone). Is there a noise-cancelling feature (like on the TP2) so the person at the other end can hear you over traffic? Does it automatically switch in and out of speaker phone mode when you lay the phone flat?

The sound quality in a call is the most important of these to me. The Touch Pro2 is very much my benchmark for call quality - the voice of the person I'm talking to is very clear and goes quite loud (which is important to me as I'm partially deaf). If the Leo is less loud and less clear then that means I probably won't be able to upgrade to it.
[HD2 General] ZenithUK:
Just spoke to O2 at CPW and O2 Direct.

Neither of them knew anything about an upcoming HD2. CPW did however mention the HTC Touch2 (which is the 240x320 lower spec phone). I politely declined. :)
[HD2 General] loomx:
I spoke to O2 this morning on 202 and they said the pre-launch is set for the 10th of october but could change.
[HD2 General] ranmasaotome510:
@B3ler3fonte

i appreciate the results on those SD res benchmarks. But its missing some pieces of information i find crucial. Such as, Codec and Bitrate for both video and Audio.

And if at all possible, i would definitely LOVE to see a benchmark on some h.264 avi encoded video using the latest Coreplayer (v1.3.6.Build.7427). For bases B3ler3fonte is it possible for you to benchmark CorePlayer (v1.3.6.Build.7427) with this video?

NOTE* You don't have to benchmark the INTIRE VIDEO, the first 1:30 Minutes is more than enough. If you don't want to have to download the entire video *170MBs big* then PM me for the clipped version AND the latest copy of CorePlayer unless you don't want to get it you're self.

(Video information:

Codec: H264 (H.264/MPEG-4 AVC)

Bitrate: 861 kbps

Frames: 34,557

Resolution: 848 x 480

Audio Information:

Codec: MPEG-1 Layer 3

Info: 48000Hz 128 kbps tot , Joint Stereo

)

Yes its a torrent.. to the video

http://dattebayo.com/t/b238.torrent

Providing the benchmark results for this alone, well decide for me whether the Leo would be a worthy purchase. But I'm sure plenty of other people would find this quite useful and informative.
[HD2 General] fards:
sorry if this has been asked before but what version of the rom do you have in there?

the obvious answer would be based on the manila version.

go to settings tab then >> about phone >> software version and usage

there is a Dcompass in the latest builds, it's in fact written in LUA

early builds tend to have a folder, that shoudl be on start menu, called Qualcomm. inside should be a dcompass test app.

if not then it should be inside /windows
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
If only this thing's screen were made of glass... I'd be completely happy.