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[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
That poster is me. Yes, you seem to have a point here, and it is true, HTC seems to release a new phone every 2-3 months. On the other hand, one has to take a look at the big picture.

HTC began using its now familiar spec formula starting in early 2008's Diamond. According to GSMArena, the same spec formula will be making its way into HTC's phones into 2010 (the HTC Touch2 is slated for release in Q4 2009). That means that the HTC Leo, HTC's first major upgrade, probably won't see the light of day until early to mid 2010.

By comparison, Samsung, HTC's closest competitor in my opinion, was already beating HTC with phones containing superior CPUs around the same time (early 2008). However, this detail is not important. What is important is that within a year, Samsung improved its specs enormously with the release of the Omnia (early 2009). The jump was simply huge. Then two months later, Samsung seems to have improved upon its own specs again with what appears to be a 200Mhz CPU power increase (albeit its debatable whether it's superior to the Omnia HD's Cortex A8).

For other examples, Toshiba also likewise improved their 2009 offerings greatly from their 2008 offerings (in fact, the time difference between their 2008 phones and the 2009 TG01 is surprisingly small). Palm went from the likes of the Centro and Treo Pro in 2008 to the Palm Pre/Pixi in 2009; also a large jump in specs. And for yet another example, the much hated Apple iPhone? The 3G came out in 2008, the highly improved 3GS came out in 2009.

To get to the point, with many of the other highly regarded smartphone manufacturers, we see at least a steady, although in actuality huge, jump in specs/performance on a steady basis. HTC seems to be the sole left out party with their using the same spec formula for a straight two years. Short in the big picture, but very long in the world of cell phones. Of course, I'm not trying to make out HTC as the only one doing such things. Indeed, other manufacturers are doing it too, but they tend to be smaller ones (Eten, Asus, etc). The only big manufacturer that I'm aware of doing such a thing is Nokia.

And really, considering the type of phones Nokia makes, would we really want to compare HTC to Nokia?
[HD2 General] Fdo35:
Hey B3ler3fonte, do you know if the name on the back 'HTC Pro.Three' is the actual name of the device?

Sorry if this has already been answered.:)
[HD2 General] milka:
How good would it be if someone made a gamepad "bracket" for the Leo that plugged into the micro USB port? The Leo would end up looking like the original PSP, albeit much much thinner. I might almost try and make something myself if no one else does! Imagine all of those emulator games with a real gamepad...
[HD2 General] nizzon:
Looks fantastic!

Too bad im stuck with my Touch HD at work for at least another year.

Question: How is the speaker-sound?

The speaker on Touch HD is a joke, put a ringer with a guitarr in it and its complete noise coming out of it.

I heard the Hero and its sounds a bit better.

How is it on the Leo?
[HD2 General] Cinner:
Could you upload a sample video taken with the Leo to YouTube?
[HD2 General] leeuwtjevanjuda:
Hi B3ler3fonte,

I own a touch HD, and was wondering wat could be my next device. Potential Candidates are the Nokia N900 and the SE Xperia 3 (Rachael). I thougt the HD was only a bit faster, and has a bigger and capacitive screen. So no big improvement from my HD.

Why is the Leo (HD2) that much better in your opinion then the HD (a HD with a stable Leo Rom)?
[HD2 General] Xdenwarrior:
still not perfect.....

no front facing camera + no compass + no TV-out + too wide for one-handed use = FAIL!!! but no surprise here, cause it's HTC after all :)

I've seen this leaked a while back, but I'll still stick with my 2 month old i8910 HD (true HD):

reasons - AMOLED capacitive 16 million color display, duel-speaker DNSe 2.0, 5.1 channel surround sound, 256 RAM, 16GB ROM, Cortex A8 processor, 8 mega pixel camera with HD recording and 720p decoding, accelorometer, magnometer (compass), TV-out, AMOLED sensor,............. :D :D

anyways, I haven't been on these forums for a while, cause I'm not really a fan of Windows Mobile 6.5 exactly. I loved Windows Mobile 2003 SE up till WM 6.1 due to the fact it looked like a revolutionary pocket computer that resembled closely Windows, till iPhone screwed it all up. Anyways while WM 6.5 is heading in right direction the changes and system in WM 6.5 seems to be incomplete. But WM7 could change everything!

So, I'll be back again when WM7 is out.... :p

peace
[HD2 General] digimaz:
While its true that samsung devices clearly beat htc products hands down in terms of their hardware specifications. What about their software support? The support over at this forum is clear proof of that. HTC devices give people who like to play around with optimization of their systems, and in that, comes the fun part.
[HD2 General] Xdenwarrior:
yeah, that's what I thought before, but go check out samsungi8910omnia.com. Those guys over at that website r CRAZY!!!!! Not only it's the first time Symbian phone gets custom cooked ROMS like HTC does, but there is like 5 guys working on same phone releasing new ROMS daily, thou 2 guys just bricked their phones messing with the boot loader and such... :( As for Samsung, they r releasing updates VERY slowly (with some features that were promised from the start of phone's launch), pissing people off lol...
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Wow nice forum. Looks very promising. It would be great if they have support for other future models. Then i would highly consider getting an android phone from samsung.
[HD2 General] Xdenwarrior:
not aware of any current Android phone being developed by Samsung but the company is working on releasing the World's first Nvidia Tegra phone by the year's end (thou I think it will get pushed to next year). As well as their own full Linux platform for mobile devices as an answer to Maemo (running on Nokia N900). Honestly, in the recent years, Samsung is crazy - top of the line in almost everything constantly innovating: first water-resistant phone, first solar-powered phone, the slimmest watch-phone, first LED HDTVs, Hummingbird 1GHz processor (much better than snapdragon due to better power consumption and 1080p support),.... what will they think of next lol :rolleyes:

just hoping that they didn't make that hummingbird just for next iPhone, cause then I will be really pissed!

l8er
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
It's now been confirmed that the Leo's camera is 5MP, not 8 - that was just an early, over-optimistic rumour.

How much practical difference is there between 1 LED and 2?
[HD2 General] digimaz:
The more bulbs the brighter. On a serious note, i think its the camera software that really matters. The original omnia had a single bright LED but that caused all the pictures taken to be extremely washed out.
[HD2 General] astrodemoniac:
Please HTC, give this phone the same android as the Hero and you'll surely have a winner :(
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Agreed. The only thing stopping me from getting an android is the same large screen as my HD. But now that Leo is shown, i've since become greedier and want a 1ghz processor as well.
[HD2 General] mike91t:
B3ler3fonte, thank you for sharing with us.

I have one question for you: Do you know if there is a software or hardware button (like Press and hold) to activate the LED for use as a flashlight?
[HD2 General] Ra1nb0w:
B3ler3fonte, appreciate your contribution to the forum in providing all the info. I can see u r getting bombarded with queries....

I saw a post earlier about GPS navigation - which I saw no reply on....have you tried using GPS on it? how is the signal? I own the HD and have a lag on the tomtom so was wondering if this also has the same.

How is the radio/voice quality when making calls? Any signal issues being faced?

Having such a huge screen - does it make the icons seem larger? many of the apps are configured for smaller screens - how does the unit accomodate and render?

I really envy you and your new toy!

Thanks again for all the feedback
[HD2 General] samy.3660:
I am damn sure this can be done with software, like there is for omnia
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Fully agree - the Power button is by far the most often used on my Touch HD, and attaching a delay to trigger its action would be annoying. I didn't get the impression that it took 3 seconds to put the HD2 to suspend from the videos though, it was much shorter. A benefit of long pressing would be that it could prevent some accidental powering on when the phone is in your pocket (can't recall it happening to me, but some people have complained).
[HD2 General] DMAND:
Did they give you any indication of the price of the handset/tariff's?

Oh and screw you Palm Pre for being the reason for delaying the HD2 !!! Serriously I sense O2 have made a mistake shelling out for the Pre exculsivity when they probably could have got the HD2 and won back alot of WM users instead
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
That's poo if its true. I can't wait another 2 weeks I will explode like Mr Creosote
[HD2 General] bhogal:
The sales staff hinted that the tarifss would most likely mirror the tariffs that the palm pre is available on.

By the looks of things right now, I must say that I'd rather buy the HD2 simfree and stay on Vodafone rather than go to O2 as it seems they will have exclusiveness only for less than two weeks.
[HD2 General] bhogal:
Oh yeah sorry I forgot, I also visited Carphone Warehouse, and I just cracked up when the sales person actually looked up GSMarena for information about the HD2!!!!!!!!!

For one who works as sales person in the telecommunications sector, I must say what ignorance, that they actually mixed the HD2 to with the Hero!!
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Thats kind of what I expected costwise. I wonder if the Tariff will include Data as standard?
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I find the opposite - if button has to be pressed, that takes a bit of effort and causes movement, unless you are able to perfectly counter the force of the button press. With an on-screen button, you just have to touch the screen (remember that ths screen is capacitive) to take a photo.

Unless it has been delayed, it will be released before then, otherwise O2 wouldn't have put the HD2 in its October magazine. And I agree with the limited exclusivity stuff - O2 implies it has some sort of deal in its magazine by saying that the iPhone, Pre, Galaxy and HD2 can only be found on O2. It's a shame that they seem to have decided to waste time pushing the Pre before they worry about the HD2 - I really don't see how the Pre is better than an average smartphone (the new OS with a new way of managing multi-tasking is the only appealing thing, but even that is not particularly spectacular).
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
On most cameras and even cameraphones I've used the button operates differently depending on how you press it. When you press it half way, it will focus and wait for the full press. If you press it quickly all the way it will make an instant shot in "focus-free" mode (with focus set to infinity, to be more precise), which allows to take pictures when the object changes rapidly. I would live without the button if HTC provided cameras with this mode (which they choose not to implement for some reason) but a hardware button can be a great convenience.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
It is great that they have removed the dedicated power button.

Its highly irritating to be careful to keep the key untouched while browsing or playing games(with thumbs),holding the mobile in landscape with two hands in top and bottom of the phone.

It would have been better if they have removed the volume keys also;)
[HD2 General] Bagpuss:
Spoke to O2 retentions this morning, and they were still convinced that the HD2 would be available from Monday (19th).

I then spoke to our corporate contact at HTC, and he tells me that O2 haven't even placed a definite order for HD2 units as yet. They are in the final stages of acceptance testing, though.

HTC themselves are not expecting retail SIM free handsets to be available until the 2nd week of November, so I think it's highly unlikely that O2 will be able to sell the phone before this.

After all, they've got the Pre to concentrate on. I can't see them diluting the effectiveness of the Pre launch by introducing the HD2. It just doesn't make any business sense.

Still, will be on the phone first thing Monday to see what they say.

Bagpuss.
[HD2 General] owz206:
My local store in west wales just phoned me back and said it's definately due in on the 19th October, maybe a day later as stock might not come in untill monday so it should be available tuesday.

*Update* Tried another 2 local stores, 1 of them said it should be out within a fortnight and the other store said there was no release date as yet. Strange that I get 3 different answers from 3 different stores with no more than 30 miles between them.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
Do you know if retentions is still touting the credit crunch as a reason for not doing discounts on line rental anymore? Its the whole reason why Im on simplicity, as at the time they had no decent WM phones.

I even told them it was BS and said they probabaly spent all their money buying exclusivity for the jesus phone :D Just wondering know that the exclusitivy is up wether retentions are actually doing something to retain people.
[HD2 General] orelsi:
"sigh"... Yes, you may prefer a device with a hw keyboard, but your device will be less capable. For example, a letter needs to be typed, you have the soft keyboard to do it while your friend with A TP2 has BOTH a soft and a hw keyboard to choose from. He has more options. Is this so hard to understand? It's not about preference or needs, those are subjective views, it's about objectively judging a certain device's capabilities.

Now, for the people claiming that the power and camera button are useless.... you are acting like the iTards that try to justify their iPhail's deficiencies. Look logically and obejectively on the problem.

A lot of people have said that they use the power button daily. It can be remapped, used for an app like "smaberg's actionscreen" - I use that every day, people use it like a home button, to get faster to the todat screen, can be used in all sorts of apps and games.

I have never pressed it accidentally on my X1 or any other phone, I have owned. This argument is beyond pathetic.

The camera button is more convenient, because people need a tactile feedback. They need to feel the button, they are pressing. It ia just human nature, you react better and more naturally to something that you can feel, not some virtual button on a screen.

The pics can be taken faster and with better quality. I'm not even going to talk about how hard it is to translate the half-press to a soft button...

They guy somewhere above me claiming that using the soft button is more accurate and the device is steadier, has clealry never used a camera before. With a hw button, you can judge the ammount of force, because of the feedback..... with the soft buttong you have a bigger chance to shake the phone by applyong too much force or not take the pic at all with the capacitive screen. Feeling the button under your fingers is always better for your senses.

STOP BEING BLIND FANBOYS AND USE YOUR MIND OBJECTIVELY.
[HD2 General] MasterTP:
Here's another preview with video : http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/10/16/one-more-htc-hd2-hands-on-review/

He guy complains about the lack of dedicated camera button.
[HD2 General] owz206:
@ orelsi

Who cares if there's no Keyboard,camera button or dedicated power button, if that's what you want on a phone get a different phone.

And how immature is it to call iphone users itards, the iphone has a lot of things going for it, especially the app store which microsoft cant even compete with at the moment.

You need to understand that the Hd2 is exactly what some people want in a phone and dont give a damn about a few missing buttons.

If it's less capable than a touch pro because of a lack of a hw keyboard then that makes the touch pro less capable because of a lack of processing power and ram compared to the Hd2.
[HD2 General] why_999:
A general question about the camera button topic;

With a physical camera button, to take a shot its a 2 step process (1. camera focuses - half press 2. you take the picture - full press). Now with a soft-key button on a screen how would that function... has anyone used a similar function to that to shine some light on it.

And orelsi it seems you've got a fair bit of tension built-up... and XDA is not the best place to release... that's what a girlfriend for :p

Also IMO Apple/iPhone is the best thing to happen to the mobile market.. just look at the great products that have been produced since its release (by HTC, Smasung LG, also Android OS, WebOS, and finally Microsoft)
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I've pressed the power button on my Touch Diamond accidentally many times because it requires very little force to be pressed, and it's on top of the device and therefore can easily be accidentally touched when it's in a pocket.

[EDIT]I've accidentally pressed the power button on my HTC Touch for the same reasons too.[/EDIT]

I have used many cameras. I'm not going to be like the many idiots on here and argue that you're somehow wrong - I just find, in my experience, that a button on the screen enables me to take much better pictures than a physical button, on a thin device. You don't need any force when using a capacitive screen, so I don't really understand what you're trying to explain.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
I guess that everyone has a different wish list for a phone. I would like an excellent camera, loads of buttons, a hardware keboard, front facing camera, massive screen, tiny footprint, low weight, massive battery, super thin device, all for £50. However, you can't currently have all of those things in one device. You have to ask yourself whether a big screen is more important to you than a d-pad, or a hw keyboard more important than the thickness, or a huge battery more important than the weight.

We all have very unique lives (except me :) ) with unique requirements, and therefore wish for the compromises to be in different areas. Manufacturers try to make a range of phones that suit individual needs, although given the number of permutations, there may not be one that suits you in every aspect.

I thought that this is obvious but its amazing the number of perople who are arguing which is better on these features. Better for who? Everyone? How do you know? If this phone isn't a good compromise for you then move onto discussing the features of a differnt up-coming phone that may better suit your requirements. If you are complaining here hoping that HTC learn their lesson and include [insert feature here] on their next phone, I wouldn't bother - I don't think they will be reading this - email them instead, or better yet, don't buy the phone and let the sales figures do the talking.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Well said - I like that. Even now I am still mulling over whether the HD2 is what I want, comparing it with other phones available soon, and I keep on coming back to the HD2 because it ticks the vast majority of the boxes for me. It wouldn't suit my wife, or my boss, or the bloke down the road; but it does suit me. Should I wait for the perfect device - no - because there will never be a perfect device as life and tech moves on.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
+1 Exactly :D

Can we leave this thread for people who actually want to get this device/ have info on release date etc, seeing as theres no dedicated section of the forum yet.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
dugald5, since you are the only person in the world who isn't unique you just don't understand how we unique people operate and the excitement of taking our unique needs, exaggerating them to epic proportions, assuming everyone who doesn't have them is a retard, and pouring all this into forum flamewars!
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
Alright.. I see your point.

So let's consider this next phone : the HTC Touch/Eat/Drink HD3

Same specs as HD2, but with HW keyboard, front-facing camera, blu-ray drive, coffee machine, hair-comber, back-scratcher, toothbrush, knife, fork, etc.. All that for the same price as the HD2!

Why would you buy an HD2 when this one has obviously more capabilities for the same price?

Who cares if it's bigger, because even if I will never use these extras, they are here.

That means that if you want to have a coffee and eat your meal, you'll be able to use your phone for that while your friend will have to get a boring normal fork and knife, and will have to walk to grab his coffee, and won't even be able to brush his teeth afterwards!

It has more options, and that's a fact!

I totally understand your point now, I'll be waiting for a phone with a lot more capabilities :D
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Look at the nearest wall. Now, put your arguement across to that wall. That wall stands a 97% higher chance of comprehending what you are saying. Really, don't waste your breath, your points have been made many times in many ways.

Apparently every feature he wants applies 100% to every person (apparently EVERYONE writes letters on their phone and NEEDS! a hardware keyboard), but the negatives of these features (adding very significant weight, size, cost, and failure points) apparently don't exist. Why he's still here talking about a phone that HTC apparently designed specifically to screw him over I have no idea, must be a masochist.

Some people just get their rocks off arguing that black is white. Leave him be, and let's get back to more productive discussion.
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
That makes me wonder, if he's the only person in the world who isn't unique, that would mean there is someone else who is the same as him.. therefore not unique either, so he's not the only one? hmm I'm confused now :p
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
I have started to worry a bit now:(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQfA61q5T54

Check the video at 2:34'

the spec list for HD2 is showing "NO GPU":eek:

i donno how much we can rely on this info.

But, as we have seen in past HTC devices, iam worried that the GPU is not activated or properly utilised with proper drivers ance again.

Because, in HTC's specs there is no word related to Graphics(asusual).
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
But, they have also mentioned physical qwerty for HD2 and onscreen qwerty for N900?:confused::confused:

I think something wrong with that specss.

The specs should have interchanged:D
[HD2 General] warenbe:
powerfull?

i've read some pages of this topic.

i'm interested of buying this device.

currently i own a TP and i'm happy with the keyboard but i'm not happy with the perf ot the device

i think i can change my habits for the hard keyboard, but i wonder: is the leo really powerfull?

i saw some bench and i was surprised of the result: only 50% more than a HD ?????!!!

so questions:

(sorry if already asked before..)

-> is there a 3D chip? and if yes, is there REAL drivers?

-> is the bench i saw was wrong?

thx
[HD2 General] lol321:
Spoke to Voda UK today and they said it will be available from them sometime in November - don't think anyone has confirmed Voda yet on here
[HD2 General] addicus:
Great point!
[HD2 General] Tito662:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/10/16/htc-hd2-display-rotation-speed-shown-on-video/

Wow I've never seen a WinMo phone rotate this fast!

Tito
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
On a different note - does anyone know if the Leo can keep, say, Skype (or Fring) online over WiFi even while in standby?

My Prophet WiFi turns off every time the device goes into standby, and has to reconnect every time you turn it back on... has this changed in the mean time? I'd like to have my device be "online" all the time (ideally connecting to WiFi if available and staying on 3G/2G if it isn't) and be able to receive messages even if it's in standby... anyone know if this'll be possible? Is it possible on other current devices (topaz, rhodium)?