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[HD2 General] Xdenwarrior:
NOT WORTH IT - read below...

Guys, FORGET about this phone!!! It will become OBSOLETE within JUST a few weeks! :cool:

With this being the new Sense UI, HTC will continue making similar phones (due to release later this year/early next year) with capacitive screens, WM 6.5, and snapdragon CPU, which early next year will run up to 1.5Ghz. Also, there are all the Android phones that have already been rumored/anounced: HTC Dragon, Acer Liquid, and Xperia X3.

At MWC 2010, u will also see Samsung entering 1GHz war with it's Huminbird phone capable of 1080p HD recording :eek: -trust me on that :)

My point is: HTC HD2 being the first phone to start it all, it is quite crappy (no offense) as it's missing some fundamentals like secondary camera, TV out, etc...

but rest assured, as this will be worked out in upcoming HTC phones...

just DON'T comlain/regret if u get HD2 :cool:

peace
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
A small flaw. The next snapdragon for smartphones will be a 1.3Ghz, for the 45nm version ( QSD8650A ).

It was first reported to be 1.5Ghz, but those press releases in Juli for the 45nm became 1.3Ghz. The 1.5Ghz Dual core ( QSD8672 ), with 1080p was for notebooks and stuff.

I'm also wondering if its not better to wait, for the 45nm version. Faster, Lower Power drain, etc...

But new devices in the future may use those smaller 3.5", or 3.7" screens...
[HD2 General] jonboyuk:
A secondary camera and TV our are hardly fundemental! I've had a secondry camera on my phones for about 4 years and used one of them once just to try the novelty!

Technology will always consistently upgrade so if you keep waiting you'll end up with nothing because there will always be something better on the horizon. This is an awesome phone which will undoubtably beat any iPhone cack! :)
[HD2 General] zoro25:
X3 also used same 1GHz processor and not faster.

The HD2 will be top dog for about 10 months to a year.

And even when a faster device arrives it will have smaller screen.

Those 10-12 months is good enough for me.

My HD sometimes freezes when multi apps are running, and I'm out of contract thanks to Orange mess up, so why wait. It's better than the HD in almost every way.

It may not be totally Next Gen but it is a worthy upgrade to the HD.
[HD2 General] hmota78:
Exactly my thoughts
[HD2 General] ilordvader:
Anyone in the USA preordered the HD2

Please suggest a good site

will we get Warranty also will the 3g work

or will we have trouble like the old HD1 :(
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
For some reason I thought porting android in some form would be easy for recent HTC devices but as I have seen on my TP2 this is not the case. I think the HTC Dragon will be the one to get as well.
[HD2 General] Xdenwarrior:
yep, my bad. When I rush, I make mistakes :p

But what makes u think upcoming devices will use smaller screens?? :confused: - I think quite the opposite with Android getting an update to support larger screens (think once again Xperia X10)

And HTC will HAVE to use big screens if it wants to continue "capacitive" with WM 6.5....

Zoro25, I never said anything about Xperia X3 (now known as X10) to have better specs, well except the camera. :) It's Android which makes it all fancy, and speedy (well to those who wanted android on HD2 anyways)...

btw, for ALL of u North American Users, the US version of HTC HD2 is coming Q1 2010!! So, u might need to wait longer than November after all, unless u want downgraded 3G-less version...
[HD2 General] here4info:
Isn't clove selling this for £439?
[HD2 General] Jackuuuuu:
I wonder why HTC didn't make a front camera for a 3G phone? It's like going backwards... like eyephone 3G. lol

Or there is a reason for it.

Also TV-out is so the 1990s tech, why HTC don't bother to add such hardware!!!

Oh well. Certainly a let down.
[HD2 General] HTC Touch Freak:
No but I did order the TD2 6 months ago. Best Price and shipped fast was Clove.co.uk

And no ATM US 3G is not suported on European/Asian Released phones. Hopefully sometime soon HTC and Qualcomm will make devices that support Quadband 3G/4G for world use. I'm happy with my T-mo Edge. It works fast enough for me and sometimes faster than my buddies on Sprint. So if your happy enough with edge then get the HD2 or wait for a US annuncement.

I think the Dragon is the next to get aswell. Hopefully it's design changes cause those leaked pics don't look to appealing. So if that is how it will look the HD2 definetly looks better and will one day have an Android port. (hopefully)
[HD2 General] Leo bête à part:
Hello, XDA community, I've been reading this forum since the beginning, first of all, thanks a lot to all for informations I've found there, (especially to B3ler3fonte at a few moment). I ordered the HD2 on Expansys France, and waiting is so long .....

Just one question, it seems that HTC prefers copilot 8 for navigation, do someone know something with compatibility beetween TOMTOM and HD2, I only want this one to use the GPS.

PS : excuse me for my bad English, I never pratice it since school...many years ago
[HD2 General] warenbe:
salut

je ne vois pas ou serait le probleme de compatibilité avec tomtom

je n'ai jamais eu ce genre de problemes sur tous mes telephones ou pockets pc.

dans tous les cas, si tomtom ne fonctionne pas, les IGO ont une tres bonne reputation

///

hello

i don't see why there should be a compatibility problem with tomtom

i've never see such a problem on my phones or ppc , btw if tomtom don't work, give a try to IGO
[HD2 General] poppinpengawen:
exactly. which is why I'm happy the HD2 is getting a capacitive screen. IMO, it's easier to type on an onscreen KB, since the capacitive screen allows more room for error (like the HTC Hero)
[HD2 General] hishamh:
That's the ex-VAT price.

With VAT and excluding P&P, it's £504.85
[HD2 General] skotten:
First, you can't get a big screen and a front camera at the same time, doing so will add at approximately 8~9 mm and then you've got a big-ass, not sexy device.

The TV-out is no way near 90' tech if it's going to be usable and not just a gimick. It should be digital, support a wide range of formats until HD (which means rescaling), most likely be wireless (DLNA or something similar) AND not drain the device utterly dry of power within 10 minutes.

Sure you can live with a composite video link, however it should be capable of providing the same quality playback as a notebook otherwise it's just another useless feature on the phone.
[HD2 General] why_999:
Fundamentals for one, but utterly useless for others or a gimmick... You just wait... its a spiral that never ends :p.. I personally was waiting for the TP2, then Omnia Pro and now finally settled on the HD2 :D
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
Maybe i expressed myself badly. I was refering to the fact that the HD2 is a 4.3" screen. Its a special case. Maybe there will be 4", or smaller screens, but i don't expect to see many other 4.3" screens in the future.

When looking at the lineup off new devices, most are 3.7", maybe 3.8", and in rare cases, 4". If the Leo is a big success, then maybe other manufactures will make 4.3" devices, with a small bezel. But, that takes time ( and i don't expect other manufactures to come with a 4.3" device, as small as the Leo, for the next year or so ).

Also, the Leo is again a exception, because off its capacitive screen, on a WM device. When looking at the known announced devices. Very few are capacitive, and even less on a WM device.

The Leo with the QSD8650A in it, will be very nice. The question is, when will it be released? The chip is pin for pin compatible with the old 1Ghz Snapdragon. So, all they need to do, is use a different chip during manufacturing. But when will they do so? 3 Months from now? 6 Months from now?

Now, i do wonder about one thing. The 448MB RAM on the Leo. I find it a bit strange, that the memory has gone from 256MB ( Juli first reports ) to 320MB ( Test models ), to 448MB ( Production models ).

At times i wonder if they are not already using the QSD8650A ( but downclocked ), because off the sudden memory increases on the SOC. But that may just be wishful thinking on my part.
[HD2 General] bhogal:
O2 Update

Update from O2.

Just called O2 retentions and have been told that they have had an email sent around internally today, stating that the HD2 has been delayed until early November.

It seems as though that everyone will get it on the 11th November.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Well, that's presumably 320MB of regular memory, plus 128MB of dedicated video memory. (Although quite what it's going to do with 128MB of video RAM is anybody's guess).
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I would dare to guess that there will likely be an Android version of HD2 (there already were some blurry pictures of it). So if somebody likes that OS there might be a reason to wait.
[HD2 General] jaank:
they will be selling it on estonia at late october on early november.

I wish i have so much money for that.
[HD2 General] Sc4Freak:
I believe the memory capacity hasn't changed between the preproduction/production models. The general consensus seems to be that the quoted 448mb is due to 320mb system RAM and 128MB dedicated graphics RAM.
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
Now i'm mad as hell :)

In Sweden on www.Katshing.se

Prel lev.datum: 2009-11-17

Changed it today!

At least it's before the christmas holiday :)
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Well put skotten..

The Leo is a slim and sexy device, thin, tiny bezel. Some things will have to be sacrificed in order to obtain that. thank god that people are complaining about the lack of front camera and not an underpowered processor for example :)

HTC did many things right and few things wrong with this one IMHO
[HD2 General] ChefChaudart:
Expansys just sent a mail telling it should be out November 13th
[HD2 General] niknik76:
If you think 4.3" is too small; 5 inch android for the android people:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-inch-android-2-0-mid-packs-3g-and-wifi-vide/

(sorry, mobile version of engadget)
[HD2 General] kersh:
expansys what country?

UK version says

Availability: Expected release date 11 Nov 09

I have a preorder and I dont have any mail.

Maybe they are out of stock for the first batch
[HD2 General] br3nt:
According to mobillagret:

Beräknas in 2009-11-04 ]

6524 Kr

stupid HTC making us wait... good thing for me my TD2 came back today from the repairshop - 1½ month to change the screen!! :mad:

well well, time to rejoice :p
[HD2 General] ToddeSwe:
They may not have just updated the info :) And the price is higher :)

BUT they have the car kit with price and all, but not in stock though... :)
[HD2 General] Jackuuuuu:
They could have utilized the useless (?) space at the "HTC" logo section. The HD design were smart where the "HTC" - Speaker - "Front Camera" layout.

Seems like that space was perfect for the front camera. Maybe the space is required? I'm not sure.

The TV-Out definitely gimmick, but would be cool if just hook it up for picture or slideshow.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I don't remember when was the last time I saw a TV without a USB jack. :) It works perfectly for slideshows for me.
[HD2 General] prank1:
ggrr... the preorder for the HD2 i did on Play.com didn't come through because they are experiencing problems with my cardholders address or something... which is weird because I've never had problems with my card before.

Since I cannot pay for anything my new Play.com account is useless so I'm trying to get it closed now. (EDIT: I just got it closed...)

Today is really not my day.

:(

Could anyone recommend any other websites to preorder the HD2 from? I don't really want to spend over £500.00 including postage.. thx
[HD2 General] kersh:
Im with you. Lot of problems, lot of features missing, and this phone will not be the king for much more time than 6/9 months, but, when this phone lose their crown, I will buy the new king again.

Until that, I will have the "best" smartphone in the market in a glorious 4.3" screen, and a lot of people will never use some missing features like 3G videocall or TV out, but yes a lot of 3G navigation, and for that this phone, is the best phone in the market since iphone and blackstone hit the streets.

THE KING IS DEAD

LONG LIVE THE KING!
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
You're forgetting about msm8xxx. It runs at 1.2 or 1.5 Ghz(according to qualcomm or linley mobile) it has 4x the graphic performance of current qsd8250 where qsd8650a is only slightly faster.

Msm8xxx will support 1080p encode and decode(qsd8650a is still 720p) and will be just as good as qsd8650a at power preserving if not better. It will utilise power island shut off just like tegra(that is why nividia states that their SoC can achieve such high numbers when it comes to video/music playback and standby time).

QSD8650a is only qsd8250 at 45nm with some improvements where msm8xxx is huge change compared to snapdragon1.

This is what you should wait for and not qsd8650a. Trust me:)
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
Not really newsworthy I suppose, but from his Twitter post it seems Stephen Fry has been sent an HD2 to test out.

So at least they are in the country... :)
[HD2 General] elite-fusion:
where can i buy an hd2 aka leo?
[HD2 General] br3nt:
you're not possibly thinking that they will release such thing within (minimum) 8 months?

I'd propably say a year before we will se those "chips" in regular phones available for purchase over the counter :p

I mean, just now a Ghz procsessor was released, and they've been working on it for 3 years if im correct - no way they will push technology so far ahead of current phones, you know the company's wanna milk things till the end...

:)
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
Considering that nvidia plans to release tegra2 based devices next year they have no other choice if they want to stay competitive, besides msm8260 should be sampling already and it is easy to change the SoC from qsd8250 to msm8260 so it is up to ODM whether they will do it.

For sure it will be used in smartbooks first but probably there will be some smartphones based on msm8260 when WM7 arrives.

So 8 months is possible but I would expect at least one device based on snapdragon2 to appear during MWC 2010.

P.S. Expect to see snapdragon3 at 28nm announcement at MWC 2010 :p
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
All of you people saying how rubbish the HD2 is because you'll be buying a better phone in 6-9 months are just fooling yourselves. I plan on not having a phone until 2050, when my phone will be 200x better than the rubbish you'll buy!

Then who'll be laughing!!

(For those who miss the point... tomorrow's tech will always be better than today's. However short of inventing time travel, we can only buy devices that exist today. Play the "omg tomorrow will be so much betterz!!!11" game and you end up never having a phone)
[HD2 General] skotten:
off-topic:

Hey, don't worry about bying a cellphone, there's no dinosaur friendly handset on the market! ;)

on-topic:

True philosophy that is. Were just thinking back on all that electronic junk that I've bought through time - back then it was the best swag ever!
[HD2 General] trentend:
I believe 'tis you that misses the point. Those of us who say such things already have good phones*. We see the HD2 as a highly flawed device, in common with many of HTC offerings, and only a fraction ahead of what we have now, but substantively behind what will be available on the general market over the immediate coming months. This is the key thing here, expect better phones to hit the market over the xmas/new year period. The HD2 is released on an interim OS platform, that will be short lived and highly unsupported - with no guarantees it will support the OS's soon to arrive, nor any of the superior alternatives.

There will be people for whom the timing of release, and balance of abilities, of the HD2 make it a good device for them. If they understand the nature of the phone, what it can and can't do, and decide that, then I for one am fine with that. I would be unhappy, however, if a lot of people mistakenly thought the HD2 was a mustn't miss, outstanding phone, with a guaranteed long lifespan. A lot of such people will be disappointed in the not too distant future (as many of us have been with various aspects of our recent HTC phones). It is another flawed device. It may be that the flaws don't impact on your likely useage patterns, but it doesn't change the facts.

P.S. for those of you unhappy with those of us not prepared to just do the Woot! Fanboy stuff for the HD2, go back and read the original post, the title, and where it is posted, to see why talking about the device in it's entirety, the good and the bad, is on topic.

*stick with me, for the sake of argument - although I can only really talk for myself.
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
As much as I do like the spec on this phone, I still say I think the time is wrong for it for me. I think a break in WM devices may be called for. Give it a chance to evolve into something of a more rounded consumer experiance (I hope).

There is no doubt this is an exciting device, but I can't help thinking it's all hardware, shame about the OS.

I might take a trip to the dark side for a while.

Good luck all of you that get this, I hope it's a winner.

Mav
[HD2 General] jamuk2004:
- 02 Update -

Hi there,

I spoke to 2 differnt o2 sales people today and both said the same thing when asked when then the release date of the HD2:

"It will be release at the begging of November"

Neither could more specific information :(
[HD2 General] HTC Touch Freak:
I will have to kindly disagree with you on that statment. This applies to me and most people who live in the US who buy unlocked phones. We have the future tech before its out here. So in a sense we "Time Travel". I've had the latest tech the TD2 6 months before US carriers announced and started selling it. (AT&T Pure and Imagio) Have had the future tech for many years now. That's a benifit of living in the Us. They are behind in times so the worlds latest tech is in a sense our future tech.

Does that make sense. So if I buy the HD2 it will be future tech till it comes out in the states. (If it ever comes here) If it doesn't than it will be a good investment cause it will always be future tech that most will never see.

:D
[HD2 General] Poetique:
Somebody PM me if HTC puts out a Snapdragon w/ a keyboard please.

My past 2 devices have already told me than when screens start to fail, that keyboard is a life saver.
[HD2 General] addyb:
Well first time poster, i believe i was famous a few pages back when someone posted a link to the o2 forums saying that someone had claimed to have picked up a hd2 from the Preston branch..............that bs someone was me!:D Just couldnt help myself as there was a lot of people in there just ripe for the wind up!

Ive never owned a winmo based phone before or a HTC so its a new venture for me on both fronts. Ive had an iphone for nearly 3 years so had my head up that particular ass and shockingly id never heard of this site until last week!! :eek:

I personally cant wait for this phone. I can appreciate that it may have some flaws for some people but this phone is exactly what im looking for. For my needs its fits the bill perfectly. I like my iphone but its become old hat now and for a while ive yearned for something different. I dont mind the app store but ive grown tired of that and im a fiddler and tweaker of things and for me the iphone is just too locked down.

Anyways just thought id say hi and to share the love with everyone else whos looking forward to the HD2!
[HD2 General] Tito662:
Multitouch is now supported in IE Mobile! :eek::cool:

http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/10/22/htc-hd2-video-review-multi-touch-support-in-ie-mobile/
[HD2 General] addicus:
Great news even if the browser sucks. Like I said earlier in the thread to someone complaining about the lack of software support - build the right machine and developers will build software for it. This phone is real breakthrough and I'm frankly tired of all the boo hooing about it 'lacking'. It will be the best overall phone on the market for at least 6-9 months and may be a year. That in itself is a gigantic feat in today's market. BTW 'best' does not have to = best selling.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Those 4 years old games cannot be even well run on the HD2, mind you.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I agree with both points. It'll be nice to have a decent alternative ot Opera Mobile, and I don't see how the Hero is significantly better than the Touch Diamond, despite having 3 friends with Heroes - the HD2 is clearly the highlight of the year, but it won't sell as well.
[HD2 General] audscott:
Too many people missing the point: The HD2 is ground breaking technology: Snapdragon, 4.3 inch capacitive screen with much, not all, but quite a few features acceptable to many potential purchasers.

No second camera, no TV out, hate the video quality. Fine......find another phone you do like and carry on in that forum.

Don't let the virtual door hit your avatar's ass.
[HD2 General] sluden:
Maybe this thing has been up before, i couldnt find it though. will htc hd2 have the specs enough and so to run wm7? I think this a big point if i should get the device or not.

would be pleased for answers
[HD2 General] Leechoonhwee:
Actually I realised that whether HD2 supports wm7 or not is not important anymore. In my previous devices like TP, TP2, I was thinking like "cool, htc is gonna release wm6.5 on it!" but 1 yr down the road there is a HD2 with wm6.5 and bigger screen and more powerful processor.

I already learnt the lesson of not buying the phone because of OS upgrade in the future as I am pretty sure when the new OS comes out, the same goes for the phone! :)
[HD2 General] surur:
Can I remind people that HTC grafted multi-touch on android also. Talk about pot and kettle.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Doesn't it just look magnificent in that video? MS should fire the whole lot of their WM UI designers (not that they appear to have any) and hire the TF3D team.
[HD2 General] turt:
On page 48, our insider B3ler3fonte has confirmed it's compliant with WM7 chassis, so there's no doubt there will be beta ROM's on our HD2's as soon as the first WM7 betas are out ;)
[HD2 General] sluden:
thanks for the reply.
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
That's if M$ don't move the goal posts - but they'd never do that would they ;)
[HD2 General] MasterTP:
Looks like the website wasn't rendered properly in IE Mobile though (but it was fast! lol)
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Ok noob question, I am going with an unlimted internet plan with O2 so can I use the HD2 as a modem for my laptop?
[HD2 General] br3nt:
I can do that with my current TD2 so I can't see why not in the HD2 :)
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
even better with the HD2 because you can set it up as a wireless router...so you can use it as a modem without being connected via a usb cable
[HD2 General] Fru T Bunn:
http://www.mobilefun.co.uk/sim-free-htc-hd2-p21936.htm
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Thanks :)
[HD2 General] jonboyuk:
Actually you can do it with any winmo phone with bluetooth internet sharing! :P
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Technically, yes, you can. Legally, no, you can't. This will work perfectly well, but doing it is a violation of the terms of the contract you signed with O2, which explicitly forbids this. Lots of people do it anyway, and you will probably get away with it so long as your data usage isn't what O2 regards as "excessive"; but if O2 ever find out that you've been doing it then they are entitled to slow down your connection or even cut you off.
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Talked with O2 sale's on the phone and the woman said it would be fine if the phone is able to do that.

But thanks for the heads up.
[HD2 General] trentend:
Although I always find it better to use the usb cable and keep the phone charged, rather than running down the battery. For prolonged use it's the only practicable option.
[HD2 General] pierro78:
sorry if it's been answered before but does it have usb host or not ?
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
It is supposed to have USB host, though I haven't seen anyone confirming it with actual tests.