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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Well if you want stability, then you go with the 21864 version. Try that out, everything works as expected, so far. And 21864 IS still the EnergyROM. It's just a different, more stable Operating System version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hisandherturbo:
Same here............. TMO US
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
You're probably on the version with the Start Menu on the bottom.

We just told that guy to flash to the stable, standard, 21864 version. You will have no such problems there.

The version you were on is the beta, which can have unstabilities.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rjh1:
:eek:

it seems that there is a new version dated today on the download page...

no change log up yet to know anything about it! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Oh yea, new version of the WM6.5.1 version is up. The 21864 versions have been up there for a while today.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pckshd:
Yes:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\JDB Pocketware\Volumex\volicon=97097

Soft reset
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] what150:
I think he meant the latest of the latest one lol~ the

>>> EnergyROM_23071_RHODIUM_21.Oct.2009_03.51_Standard.rar one.

Today there is 2 standard version uploaded.

(Sorry, if u guys already knew this.)

Cheers:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Entropy512:
So the 21864 version does NOT have the Start menu on the bottom???

Right now I'm going back to the Oct 11 release, it worked well for me other than MaxTTF not supporting Manila 2.1.1919, I'll deal with the annoying flip-clock for now.

Also, why is there a single thread covering every release of Photon? 500 pages is getting to be a bit long and makes it extremely difficult to find info on the particular version of Photon you just flashed... Why not a new thread for each release?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
21864 does NOT have the start menu on the bottom. It's on the top, like usual. You have it right.

And idk, having 6 threads would be a lot of threads, lol. Wingster helps sort the versions out, since I have it all seperated there.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] futty:
ive had it running for awhile and my battery drained quickly everyday. I like this better then what i flashed to earlier. untiil i can sort out the battery issue i cant use it cuz ive done exactly what you said and even when it said 100% at times id tap the top to bring up the notifications screen to get a text message i would glance at the batter percentage and it would say 97% while on the today screen it would show 100% :(

would i recommend this? yes cause not everyone has the same results cuz it looks like im th eonly one with a batter issue from the little i read. THX for great rom. 1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
UHHHHHHHHHHHH, which build/release date/discerning tattoos???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Like he said, he thinks it's only him with the battery issues.

I praise him for reading up on it! So far, I haven't had battery issues on the latest 10/21 Manila 2.1 21864 version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I understand he thinks it might just be him, but he responded to your post to use the "non-beta versions" but didn't mention anywhere which one he's having problems with... there's easily 2 non-beta version posted right now. If you count in the 10/7, 10/11 ones, there's a total of 4!

So, I just wanted to see exactly which one he's having issues with.

(We need to keep requesting that feedback be accompanied with, at the very least, version and release date given there are so many "current versions" out there right now.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] iris_aim:
thank you very much guys....:):):)its unlocked and back on photon 11 oct now;)thanks ace/rhg1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
BTW, gwes.exe for 10/17 23016 up to 34MB now... might be forced to try out 21864 soon. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
GWES at 29 MB on the 21864. Using it for what, 3 hours?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
You been making lots of calls in the last 3 hours?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Opened the dialer just to check if any graphics changed there, then closed it. No texts either.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] goodbyereality:
Ha! I just bought a Tilt 2 yesterday and moved over from the Raphael EnergyROM forum which, at the time of this post, had 953 pages... and I've read at least 90% of them since I began using NRGZ28's ROMs. Trust me when I say that lately it's the same over in the Raph forum. I agree that the 23071 build needs it's own thread. I'm willing to go one step further and say that the 21864 build should have it's own thread as well. People, especially the neophytes, are getting confused.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
That's not good. Guess we shouldn't forget that the latest 23016 package is probably very stable as well:

ALL NEW PACKAGES from the latest UK 6.5 ROM (official "non-test" packages, should increase speed quite a bit)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Yea, 23016 is plenty stable. I don't think it was ever unstable! It's just a personal preference decision, between 23*** and 21***, I guess. As a chef, I always went with 23016.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] what150:
What's about the new 23071 ...?

Is it working ok?

I'm too confused here~ Uggghh my brain hurt! lol~

Umm...too many version is confusing to do a follow up isn't it.

Anyway, Cheers!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Entropy512:
Whoa... Yikes.

Yeah, there's not much info saying that 23071 is a "fluke" compared to other releases.

I haven't been around here in a while, I stuck with L26's KaiserDiamond ROM for ages despite a few known bugs because he discontinued the series for some Manila-based stuff, and on older devices Manila was sloooooooow.

It's not nearly as bad on my new Tilt2, at least 2.1. I tried the 23071 "Leo" EnergyROM release, my main reaction was, "that continuous weather animation is going to kill my battery" - really laggy too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] [hfm]:
I would tend to agree... Keeping the same post through revisions and different builds is probably not helping to find information in a well categorized manner. I still muddle through though...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Idk, having 6 threads is a bit crazy too, and more work for NRG. There's plus and minuses of both. I'm fine with the 2 threads we have so far.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fspeed82:
Guys i have an AT&T Tilt 2 i've been trying to HARDSPL the device for couple days now and its always giving an error of you have downloaded it once...Can anyone provide me a link of Hardspl that works with tilt 2? i've tried the rhodium hardspl.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] goodbyereality:
People should be putting that info in their signature, like I have in mine.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Have you downloaded it before?

And you'll have to bring the issue up with the HardSPL developers. They designed it so that it'd have that "security" on it. Ask them here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=550131
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
+1, excellent point! Going to go and put mine together right now. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Be ready to change it every moment, lol.

I'm everywhere, I end up using one version, based off of which I added to Wingster last :p And then I'm back to flashing once at home.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I know, but I usually try out a ROM for at least a week to ensure stability. Unless it's unstable into the first 2 days, of course... then that thing's gone in a flash! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
So, the chick in your picture (signature, biatchzzz link) is your girl friend? And you're the one in the reflection of the car? I just had to click that link when I saw it in your sig.

And btw, the new Manila 2.5 version (other thread) is quite fast, so far!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Yes and yes. Forgot to Photoshop out my goofy ass reflection I guess, LOL.

Does the new Manila 2.5 have landscape?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
LOL. I have a good eye for detail.

No, Manila 2.5 is still portrait only. HTC hasn't made a version for our Touch Pro 2 yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
Cmd512, runing the 10/07 version going on 5 days straight with no reset GWES is at 39 MB. Pretty good so far. Thats with 13 hrs of talk the last 5 days....good thing I have T-MO customer loyalty unlimited! But with the project dark pricing(rumor) everyone will have this option.

I am getting itchy to flash that 10-21 ROM, its been a few days for me!

Richard
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Holy bonkers, 5 days??? That's incredible!

10/17 isn't bad, I'm on day 2 after a soft reset, still pretty fluid.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
I am pushing it so long as my phone does not hang up. It gets a little laggy but I am at 69% ram usage. I am gonna wait for some reports on the new ROM. I may flash it this wkend.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FiyaFleye:
Guys, I did some research on the GWES problem, and it seems it's been a problem in Windows Mobile for years...YEARS. It isn't the dialer, so I'm not sure why people are saying it is....

So, it doesn't affect performance, never has, therefore I'm going to continue ignoring it and not wasting time worrying about whether its at 29mb or 34, because its obviously going to grow, and there's nothing anybody has ever been able to do about it...so...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
This is good info FiyaFleye, thanks. I think beyond the gwes.exe, 10/7 simply didn't have any slowdowns after multiple days of use, as evident by Raychem's 5 days & still going strong.

Ignoring gwes.exe, I'm going to see how long I can push 10/17 without a reset. My criteria is that nothing "hokey" starts happening, like windows take a long ass time to close, things start slowing down for no reason, or resources shoot past 85%.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gman65:
Jumped past 10/17 23016 standard, and flashed 10/21 21864 standard. Will do my daily 1 and see how it does: Waze, tom tom, navizon, few texts, few calls, numbuzz, view a few word/excel docs, and a game or three...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FiyaFleye:
Not a problem, just to give you an idea of how long this has been like this for...

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-272963.html

I've read of people complaining about it before then also. What I'm guessing is that it naturally grows as you open more and more files, and cause it to draw more and more events...so when it needs to redraw those, it has them cached...but that's just a guess.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Yea, but the main cause of it growing is the dialer, based on the history of the problem.

GWES stands for Graphical something.

But yea, it's always an issue, and is usually related to the version of Phone Canvas you use, since some can have RAM leaks. Hence, it usually is Dialer related.

But with the Touch Pro 2, we have so much RAM, it doesn't impact us that much yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FiyaFleye:
Its existed since at least WM2003, so I doubt it has anything to do with our dialer or phone canvas...I keep reading proof and information that it caches icons and images...therefore it would explain its growth.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gman65:
Hope I found the right Def: GWES, Graphics, Windowing, and Events Subsystem (Microsoft)

EDIT: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa932172.aspx
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
Thanks for the info guys. Whatever it really doing, it grows at first(based on what your using I believe) but it does "level out" after a while. lets see how long it goes.

Richard
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Someone could try disabling Phone Canvas, and then see how it goes. I might as well do that, I'm on the Titanium version right now. I'll report back on how that turns out in the long run. That'll identify if it's Phone Canvas or not.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] simbadogg:
tried searching the thread for this, but didnt' find anything...but any chance we're going to see the Leo/manilla 2.5 used for this in the future? The today/home screen really takes advantage of all the WVGA real estate on 2.5...hate to see it going to waste w/ 2.1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] thedeportee:
10/21 is by far the best ROM i've used from EnergyRom, keep up the great work, now only if the home screen had the favorite icons that i can customize like the first release had and 10/11 that would be perfect. so far everything seems to work 100%

thanks again
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] E90 Commie:
According to some posts disabling the HTC Phone Canvas can give up to 10 MB more free RAM. That applied to the Diamond.

I tried to do that on the EnergyROM Standard 10/07 but I think all HTC Phone Canvas equipped ROMs gets this:

*When the HTC Phone Canvas is disabled the contacts view when the phone keypad is open isn´t working any more.

I think the ROM needs to be cooked without the HTC Phone Canvas at all if you want to use the WM standard dialpad etc instead.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dazultra2000:
You'd get that if you installed Leo rather than Photon...but you'd also lose landscape in M3D, and also gain a few bugs!

Just flashed to the 21st 21864 ROM. So far so good. Some graphical glitches on the Device Info applet...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] esincho:
I feel what U saying, but wouldn't that make it, 2.5 pretty much?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ramsfan_Jim:
OK, I've flashed and re-setup. What is the difference between the 21/10 21864 ROM & the 17/10 23016 ROM (both standard) because I haven't spotted any yet.

Everything still seems perfect and working - except the 1% battery icon and the Bluetooth remote headphone controls - both still not there.

Is there anything I've missed?:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dazultra2000:
Difference is the build.

I believe 21864 is the actual official WM6.5 release. As such, it doesn't have some of the further enhancements that you would find in 23016 or 23071.

A good example is that on 21864 you have tabs on the bottom of multi-page applets, whereas in 23016 you had the finger-friendly "swipe" arrows instead.

Instead, however, you get a bit more speed and stability as it's not BETA software.

Otherwise it would seem everything else is the same.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FiyaFleye:
Which would support what I was thinking and what users have been reporting since 2003 on forums and directly on Microsoft's website.

That free RAM may not be directly from gwes.exe though, either way, it doesn't slow the phone down, at least not on my end, and I abuse my phone...trust me. I'm literally on it all day long, I use well over 12,000 texts a month lol, and that's on the low end. I also use the dialer to begin those texts as I get to the contact card and then text. I also use many other programs all day long. I would have been concerned if this had just randomly popped up one build, but it looks like I was right in saying it's been like that forever...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Maknificent:
Where can I get a working AT&T Keyboard cab? The one in this thread does nothing, and the TILT2HW Keyboard resets everytime the phone turns off...It's a hassle to constantly re-install it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] goodbyereality:
It seems to work just fine for me. I've reset a couple of times without a problem. Just a hunch, but did you do a hard reset after you flashed the ROM?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dommers1970:
Does anyone know at which version the ability to turn off HSDPA finished on?

Newer photon versions do not have this..people ask why but if you want a stable data connection then HSDPA is not the best whilst 3G is now stable.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I'd be very interested to hear from those who have jumped from 10/17 or 10/11 23016 to 10/21 21864 to see if they spot any major differences in resource usage, speed, & stability.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RobTsintas:
...unless they read this forum and put 2 & 2 together!

Anyway, I'm SO glad to see that the top toolbar icons (bluetooth, USB etc.) are finally in the latest Titanium version. I'm flashing that baby as soon as I get a chance!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] E90 Commie:
I have tried the 21864 release and I´m sorry to say it but it´s back to the oct 07 release for me. The reasons for this are:

1. It´s a problem to remove the curtains and get a transparent slider in the HTC Sense 2.1.

2. The background image I used in the oct 07 release is way too dark - even the EnergyROM background is way too dark - I simply can´t stand it.

Those problems aren´t related to the ROM - they are related to the latest Manilla build who breaks the compatibility with mods designed for TF3D 2.1 - not the newest Sense 2.1. The background being to dark (and much darker than the taskbar and bottom bar) is as I can judge related to the 21864 build.

The oct 07 EnergyROM Standard is for me the best build for now. Atleast until there´s updated mods for Sense 2.1 and a solution for the background problem (I´m talking about using a background image in the start menu - selected with Settings, Today).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
23071 21-Oct

SMS sending works on this version -- works in the normal way without any tricks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] petersm:
I have recently bought a Touch Pro 1, with the EnergyROM WARHAWK, rom version: august 11th 2009.

It works great, I always worked with an Diamond and WM6.1, and I really like the 6.5 rom. I do have a small issue: Notifications are not shown. It says you have a new notifaction, but when I tab the button in the left bottom, nothing is shown. in the notifications menu(which you access by clicking in the tob bar) shwos: you have 1 unread event) but i cannot open them.

Then I would like to upgrade to a newer rom, Can I use the rom from this topic or from the warhawk topic which is not used anymore? Do i need a new hardspl or can I just install it like you'd install a stock rom?(I have only experience with stock roms, not with coocked ones..)

some information:

current rom: EnergyROM WARHAWK

ROM version: August 11th 2009 WWE

rom date: 8/11/09

radio version: 1.10.OliNex

Thanks for the anwer and guidance!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
You need to check out the ROMs in the Raphael thread. These ROMs are for the Touch Pro 2 (Rhodium).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
I'm not understanding why you would want to use a Touch Pro 2/Rhodium specific ROM when NRG is actively updating ROMs for your specific device???:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=536751
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] romeo0119:
Man build 21864 is so fast, I feel like its the best so far, dont have any prob removing top curtain either. Everything works great, speed and stable.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] klash:
Actually you are in the wrong forum. Yes this is the Same cook but where you want to go is the Raphael Forums. This is for the Touch pro 2 not Touch pro 1 is which you got. Here is the link for the raphael forums

http://xdaforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=437

To answer some of your questions. No you do not need to reflash HARDSPL just flash the prefered rom you want also be sure to read all the stickies and newbie threads.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
That's good news. As a comparison point, mind if I ask which ROM you upgraded from?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] guntcent:
hey bro how do you removed the top and bottom curtain and is everything running smooth on this rom n the speed of it is really fast???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] [hfm]:
Yeah it's not a big deal, much better than nothing.. and anything that keeps work away from the cooks is a plus.. the search functionality works fine.. except for cases where it's my own fault I can't find something :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Yeah, I'm okay with the 2.1/2.5 manila split for the same reason. Last thing NRG needs to worry about is updating 4 or 6 threads. People just need to use the "search this thread" function a bit more.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] goodbyereality:
Build number

We can be proactive about eliminating/reducing confusion as well as the need for one-thread-per-build-number if we start entering the build number that our question/concern is relevant to in the "Title" field directly above the "Message" field each time we make a post. Or, like I posted earlier, just include it in your signature.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
100% agree with this suggestion, but careful... any request even remotely suggesting that users be a bit proactive for the sake of getting their questions answered & adding a bit of order/organization to this thread will leave you open to criticism. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Entropy512:
Why would he need to update 4 or 6 threads? Latest Leo, latest Photon, 2 threads (same as now), with clear boundaries/distinction between discussion of releases.

And the "search this thread" function is based on the same search engine that is so bad that the forum maintainers replaced it with Google Search for sitewide searches. It's not possible to determine whether a search result really applies to you or to an older release, and also frequently doesn't find information in the thread.

(For example, try searching for 3.65 in the thread for the MaxTTM theme customizer. No results even though it's the version number of one of the releases and discussed all over the thread.)

The suggestion of adding build number to the title is a good one, since it would make thread search at least partially usable. Unfortunately it means everyone posting has to get on the ball. I'll be adding build numbers to any further posts. Signatures don't appear in the thread search results.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] romeo0119:
Yea its fast, and the mem stay below 60% all the time, even when I used a lot of apps

And I used this cab to remove the top curtain, I dont know what bottom curtain ur talking about, I dont see it? I came back to nrg rom from fusion 5.2