yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
The article at gizmovil.com said it records at 720p, but they hadn't tested it, and no mention of frame rate. It's not mentioned on HTC web site though, and 720p seems a bit too good to be true to be honest.
[HD2 General] mspingeld:
By the time WM7 arrives, this hardware may be obsolete! :)

Any rumors of a LEO with US 3G bands?
[HD2 General] turt:
£475 (£546.25 inc VAT) ;)
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Expansys have the GPS cradle at £66

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=188277
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
im outside of eu countries, so no need vat ;)
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
no mention of a protective sleeve though
[HD2 General] basthet:
An official statement would be more than idiotic, as WM 6.5 was officially anounced today ;)
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Hope it comes with a nice hard case like the original diamond. The Flimsy hd one sucked.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
Yes there is. http://www.expansys.com/a.aspx?i=188866

Sleeve, screen protectors, higher power battery (Battery bank provides the ability to charge your device up to three times when mains power is not available...).
[HD2 General] Madcypher:
suspect..

Very wishful thinking, the hardware is more than capable, but I doubt VERY seriously that it's true.

I suspect D1 (720x480@30fps) or maybe evern WVGA (800x480@30fps) like the Xperia 2.

It be hard pressed not to buy it even it it doesn't support TMo USA 3G if it did 720p. :D

Plus HTC are attention whores, I'm sure they run around bragging about that feature if it were true.

Love the new car dock they have, simply amazing...wonder if it'll work with the TP2?

Cyph
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Its not a battery which you fit onto your phone. More like a battery to charge the battery in your phone.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
Where is the Co-pilot?

What ahs happened to the Co-pilot that we saw on so many of the posts earlier? I've found the phone for sale on 4 sites so far, and not one of them mentions co-pilot. In fact, expansys offers the cradle, which SPECIFICALLY says that this does not include GPS software.

Did GPS navigation fall out of the bundle at the last hurdle?
[HD2 General] prank1:
+1

One time my touch HD fell out of my pocket and landed on concrete. It had somehow come out of the 'protective' (yeah, right) sleeve in my pocket or fallen off mid air or something.

The Diamond hard leather case was simple, effective, tight, strong and stylish. The touch HD sleeve just got dust and bits of tissue stuck all over it. Ugly, especially for a device that was worth £400 at the time.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
HTC's aim is to give you a crappy case so you end up spending more money to buy a nicer one. I have a case fetish. Over 10 cases of all kinds of materials. Leather, aluminium, plasitic, silicon half cases. Only thing missing is a carbon fiber one.
[HD2 General] Madcypher:
Was hoping for a peak at the manual...

Placeholder

Nada..yet.

Cyph
[HD2 General] digimaz:
What secret things would the manual reveal?
[HD2 General] prank1:
Lol. With the amount of new devices HTC release I dont think there is time to smash our devices :p

When we get ahold of the Touch HD2, give or take a couple of months we will end up seeing a leaked video of the Touch HD3, this time with an even bigger screen and probably running a faster processor than most computers today!
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Thats the way with phones. Im only a student. Think all my bank money is going to the new phone.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
Methinks these accessories are NOT for the HD2, but maybe for the Touch 2. The car kit is Discontinued and the screen protector photo is not an HD2.
[HD2 General] chris10230:
ha ha yeh i am the same lucky though that my contract ended start of this month, perfect timing now i just have to wait for o2 to actually release the thing and ill be happy but the cost of it well will not keep me happy :(
[HD2 General] prank1:
Lol same with me. I still go to school haha

My PDA frenzy started when I was given my first PDA, the XDA II when I was only 14 years old! Ever since I have just been upgrading when a new one comes out.
[HD2 General] torse1:
http://www.htc.com/uk/product/hd2/specification.html

The wight isn't that bad....
[HD2 General] digimaz:
My first pda was the original palm pilot. i think i was maybe like 10 or something. Then i got 3-4 other palms. i think in total i have over 15 phones and im only 19. All my money from part time job goes into phones.
[HD2 General] piquadrat:
448 MB?

So what about those 448 MBs? Include graphic memory or not?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
If it has dedicated video memory that would be an even better news than those extra MBs.
[HD2 General] rorydaredkign:
pretty sure its including graphics afaik dimanond said it had 192 when it had 128 plus 64 graphics.

so this would well be 320 standard ram + 128 graphics.

This takes me back to the days of my tytn and 64MB ram with about 31 free on boot :)
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
A lot, actually. I knew about motherboard benchmarks and all of that (Tom's Hardware is actually one of the websites I visit the most whenever I look up PC benchmarks), but the issue is that I can't seem to find a benchmark that definitely clarifies whether motherboard affects performance significantly or not.

For example, on Tom's Hardware, the most recent motherboard benchmark they have is that of the AMD 785G, but the issue involved is that they're using different CPUs/GPUs and even different RAMs. When you go to the benchmarks, there is a performance difference, but it's difficult to judge whether it's coming from the CPU/GPU/RAM difference or the actual motherboard itself. Even in the conclusion, Tom's Hardware (confusingly) says the new motherboard is 'awesome', but it's also essentially the same thing as the motherboard it was replacing. When they posed the rhetorical question of 'will this motherboard work better?', they ended up saying 'it depends on what kind of CPU you have' (which seems to suggest to me an OC issue).

I'm not against believing motherboards matter in performance. I'm just involved in a PC community which pretty much ignores motherboards as a significant component (even an HDD's RPM gets more attention) unless it is necessary for new hardware. Nonetheless, I'm not opposed to change. Do you happen to know of a benchmark available where they only test the motherboard? If so, I'll gladly concede that motherboards do play a significant role in performance.

Yes, that's right. As I recall, they made the CPU for the $200 Everex PC too. Meh, I won't deny that VIA makes low quality materials, but that's why they're cheap, and used in a lot of lower cost PCs.

That's fine with me, but as I recall, you didn't post any evidence either...unless you consider anecdotes to be evidence. Nonetheless, I do not wish to continue this argument with you either.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Sorry dude, but if you knew what you were talking about, you'd already have admitted you were wrong. You don't seem to have a lot of experience in this sector, which isn't a bad thing, but when you start arguments that have absolutely no basis in fact, you start to look like you're just looking for a fight...
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Will you ladies take this outside, some of us would like to discuss the phone...:rolleyes: Kids these days.

Anyways, anyone else quite stoaked at this price? I was hearing numbers close to a grand being thrown around before, so £550 is not too bad. Although my contract isn't up till christmas, so I will probably have to wait a month or two... :mad:

I am excited about havign a dedicated phone caradle for it, it finally means I can have a phone, web browser, media player and GPS all in one device! I was almost considering an iPhone as it does 3/4 pretty well, but I'd rather have an HTC device anyday

EDIT: Good news for all you Yanks :p Not so long to wait after all...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/06/htc-hd2-to-arrive-stateside-in-early-2010-huzzah/
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Why not buy off a plan with someone? When your plan is up you can sell it off instead.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Point taken. Discussion ended...

550 quid is still a lot of money. That would buy a pretty decent laptop... not that the Leo isn't worth it :)... I'll also be waiting until I can get it on contract.

Why can't you use your TP for that stuff?
[HD2 General] jackhappy:
I haven't seen anything that shows if the keyboard can display in landscape mode. Does anyone know?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Looks like the regular HTC keyboard, doesn't it? IIRC that works fine in landscape...

Another thing: The Leo has Sense UI - how is that different from TouchFlo3D?
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Granted, the TP does media and basic phone stuff (calls, messaging e.t.c) pretty damn well, but the screen is too small for a decent GPS (I have bad eyesight) and I can't find a decent cradle for it in the car. As for web browsing it does the trick, but having to use a stylus is a bit of a nusance (i have sausage fingers) and I find it so much easier to use my iPod.

I also meant to say I will have a half decent snapper as well, and let's face it, as great a device as the TP is the camera is beyond b****cks! :D

As far as I can tell, the "Sense UI" is what we have been calling Manila 2.5 for the past few months
[HD2 General] orb3000:
HTC HD2 gets official: Hands-on Video

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-gets-official-hands-on-video-0659275/
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
The official press release contained the information that u can plug in an usb keyboard!

Sounds great!!!
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
True... I just hope the camera on the Leo is OK. I really need a halfway decent one.

That explains a lot. I thought Sense UI was Android-only :)
[HD2 General] Super Chimp:
One of the people over on MR was able to test a prototype & he found it recorded VGA video apparently.

See this link.
[HD2 General] IceEyz:
Yeah, that's the most important thing I noticed as well :).

The HD2 has confirmed USB Host capability, which opens a world of possibilities. Zeno has created USB Host drivers for a lot of different devices already, take a look here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=480899

We can use Mouses, Keyboards, Barcode Scanners, CD & DVD Readers, External Hard Disk Drives, Card Readers, Photo and Video Cameras.. :)

What keeps me wondering on the HD2 though, is the insane amount of 128MB memory that's not accessible.. Is it just for the GPU?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
This isn't the official press release? I can't find anything about the usb keyboard.
[HD2 General] diaf:
main website gone live

http://www.htc.com/www/product/hd2/overview.html
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Well, I got it from the german press release, but I can give u a quote:

As already said just says that u can plug in an usb keyboard.
[HD2 General] hmota78:
I know I'm a little late to this discussion, but the specs on the official site do not mention a front camera. Does that mean no videocalls? :confused:
[HD2 General] Vledderos:
mind blowing..

aw man just look at these pics...

mind blowing...:eek:

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WWW/Press_Room/Product_Photo_Gallery/HTC_HD_2/Download_01_HTC_HD2.jpg

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WWW/Press_Room/Product_Photo_Gallery/HTC_HD_2/Download_02_HTC_HD2.jpg

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WWW/Press_Room/Product_Photo_Gallery/HTC_HD_2/Download_03_HTC_HD2.jpg

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WWW/Press_Room/Product_Photo_Gallery/HTC_HD_2/Download_04_HTC_HD2.jpg

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WWW/Press_Room/Product_Photo_Gallery/HTC_HD_2/Download_05_HTC_HD2.jpg

http://www.htc.com/uploadedImages/WWW/Press_Room/Product_Photo_Gallery/HTC_HD_2/Download_06_HTC_HD2.jpg
[HD2 General] chris10230:
i would guess not that pretty much seals that one though. Shame to all those who use it. Never have myself never saw the point in paying to see someone... But to fit a cam on the front may well have been a major issue considering how small the bezel is on it.
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Video Review here,

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-gets-official-hands-on-video-0659275/

He said that HTC confirmed that there will be a US version and 4 days of battery life. (hmmm I wish)
[HD2 General] antrak:
It doesn't have a slideout keyboard. Device lasts for 1.5 days with heavy use for me. (Watching 1 hour video, which looks AWESOME mind I say, 2 hours of music listening and 1 hour of webbrowsing with 3g on all the time and some texting) Got to test one out for 3 days.
[HD2 General] t0mmyr:
so how are we supposed to align the screen after a rom flash or hard reset? is that option now skipped automatically?
[HD2 General] Phen0m:
I can't believe you all actually believe this guy..
[HD2 General] xdaman85:
B3ler3fonte , for someone who is in a profession that gives them access to phones very early (in this case a HTC device) it seems very odd that you just joined up to xda devs in September 2009 (current month),

but never the less, I'm not doubting whether you have the device or not, if you do that's a good thing.

The HTC Leo has 1200mAh while my Hero has a 1350mAh capacity, its surprising that the Leo can go to 1.5 days with a 1GHz possessor and large 4.3" screen with the amount of usage you described. If that truly is the case, then that's really amazing.
[HD2 General] antrak:
The snapdragon chipset is less power consuming in itself then the last generation Quallcom chips, it isn't just a buffed up processor with a increase in megahertz count.
[HD2 General] lude219:
I find it funny that people are still thinking that there lies a QWERTY keyboard on a device that is 11mm thin. At some point, you gotta question how ignorant those people are.

Phones with QWERTY keyboards are typically in the +15mm width range. Please drop the stupid question and ask something that is more relevant to the product at hand.
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
There is not any Tv-Out support or built in compass on its features-specs, so unfortunately i will have to let u down with this my friend :(.

Phone actually feels great holding it ;) and i can say that despite its screen size, its weigh and size (meaning that its really thin) r great advantages.I am posting the pics for you to see (hope u will be able to have a better overview of its size)

and for all those who keep on posting stupidities

as classic non-belivers when it just can't fit inside their small mind, that actually someone is b3t@ testing devices b4 they r actually released globally.

t0mmyr i did align mine if im not mistaken by hands so as far as i remember u can't skip this option.

I dunno if both u have a bad day or something, doupting that much if someone really owns something or not. To be honest, let me start by saying that i knew about xda devs for more that 2 yrs now through a close friend of mine who is WM app developer and post his here, but didn't join for the simplest reason that i didn't need anything.I did join when i needed some guidelines on how to flash Magic using a cooked Hero ROM and thanks to Amon_RA by pm's h guided me through perfectly. I am not here to persuade anybody, and to make things clear i don't owe to anybody explanations about either my profession or my purposes of joining xda. Why should i @ the end of the day :mad:? If for u when somebody does join a forum or judging fro m the number of his posts , actually and automatically is a measure of competance or a god in ur eyes, keep that sense and "pleasure" for urselves.Thats totally n00bish.

I was an easy believer to believe that ppl might b interested to know for something that is abs confidential for long time now, refering to Leo as a long term project, instead of just letting ppl speculating about its specs or anything similar to this. But what is done is done. I am fed up.

When ppl can't simply understand what the hell the word

confidentiality

means, then the conversation is closed, once and for all. From now and on i will just discuss only with ppl who actually asked and took answers back without doupting and for the rest of u...just keep on seeing the below pics and wonder when the device will be finally out or not.

And btw what was asked about ist battery and its capacity accordingly, do let know that Leo is equipped with a 1,230 mAh battery, capable enough to hold on the device for like 1.5 days str8.Done.

And something else...Keep on doupting about pics originality now, instead of finally getting a life. Out and peace.

Hands on HTC Leo (exclusively on xda.devs)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009022.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009023.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009024.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009029.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009028.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009027.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/22092009025.jpg
[HD2 General] makeveral:
thanks B3ler3fonte!!

i guess they didnt add videocall,compass and tv-out because the price will be already high xD
[HD2 General] billy_overheat:
oh my goodness...i'm falling in love with this monster!!!!!! XD

i hope that i have money to buy this monster though..XD
[HD2 General] PoisonWolf:
B,

Thanks for the pictures. At least now I'm sure I don't want one. Lawl. :D

This phone is so huge it's borderline crying out for attention or trying to compensate for something else.

Geezus, look at how big it is compared to the Hero! I personally think that HTC is testing the waters with this phone and is seeing just how much people will pay for a big lcd panel. I don't get why people want a brick (I don't care how thin it is, it's still going to stretch THAT much of my pants). I want a phone.

Cheers.
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
I guess i need to buy a pair of bagy jeans to this phone :D

No, really.. The HD works fine in my pockets, and i think this one will to. Hope that HTC puts the capacitive stylus out as the Leo hits the market.
[HD2 General] makeveral:
http://www.fashionforadam.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/baggy-jeans.jpg

:D:D:D
[HD2 General] xdaman85:
Mate youv got the wrong idea, I didnt say u didnt have the phone, i was referring to ur date of joining.

I understand you dont have to give us any information, but u have, and thanx for that.

n e ways, i'm sorry if i'v offended u in any way.
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
B3ler3fonte, does it have USB host function like tg01?
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Indeed my friend,as previously said no videocall support, no compass or TV-Out whatsover, UNLESS,they will change their plans, though i doupt about it..

Its nice that the comments contradict to each other. And i think its natural, others may consider the device as a brick, either as a lovable object. In any case, the device itself is a step ahead in market competition and thats i blv what it counts for HTC. And they actually managed or will manage to be honest :D to succeed on this area. As for its size, just know that it can easily fit on a jean's back pocket, so save some money for something else, instead of Leo+ a pair of pants ;) :D
[HD2 General] chavonbravo:
B3ler3fonte, thanks for the pics.

I have a strong suspicion that the device may simply be multitouch-resistive instead of capacitive. Could you perhaps confirm this for me? If you could just test tapping the screen with a normal stylus, or tip of nails if they're long (which they seem by the pic dude, hehe). Or any random object like a toothpick. If nothing is detected by the screen, then it is capacitive. If, however, the screen does respond, it is resistive.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
There are lots of reasons why having a large screen is nice. Video playback is probably the most obvious one, but third-party satnav software tends to work better on a big screen, and even general web-browsing can be more pleasant on a larger screen.
[HD2 General] elyl:
The video of this phone in action shows an application in the HTC Debug folder in the start menu which refers to DCompass. I'm assuming you have the same test ROM as the one in the video - could you try running this app to see if it gives you any information (and if this information changes as you turn and face a different direction)?
[HD2 General] makeveral:
with the 6.5 diamond leaked rom there was also this app but ofc it wasnt working because there's no compass support... i guess it comes with htc debug tools apps but it wont work with every device (hope im wrong :p)
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Yes it does Wishmaster ;)

Well, i am gonna let u down chavobravo, as the device is not equipped with a multitouch-resistive instead of capacitive screen. Its stricly -extremely sensitive- capasitive one, not only coz when i first had the device on my hands, test it and saw it in the way u described, but also coz the original specs from HTC speak for that as well ;)
[HD2 General] hmota78:
Thanks Chris, what you say makes sense. Plus, if HTC put every technology available in this phone, what new and exciting would they come up with next? This way they kept a little margin for future "improvements" :)
[HD2 General] grayme:
Two things from that picture:

1) Couldn't it have been shorter if they had put the 'htc' somewhere else?

2) Love how the date on the tab is the correct one, I'd always been ashamed that the eyefone managed it... :D
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Amen to that. Video calls must die together with MMS and WAP.
[HD2 General] 40oz2Freedom:
US 3G version of HD2 in Q1 2010!

Good News: Apparently the US will get a 3G version of the HD2!!

Bad News: While there really isn't any bad news since we're at least gonna see the HD2 that supports 3G, we will have to wait until Q1 2010...and hope that it doesn't get delayed beyond Q1 but I'm not gonna hold my breath on that.

Regardless this is definitely awesome news for people in the states :D:D:D

Read here:

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/10/06/htc-hd2-to-arrive-stateside-in-early-2010-huzzah/
[HD2 General] grayme:
How does that work, how does it attach to the docking station and how is the USB slot in the foot used?
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
Quote from site: HTC have also developed a car-kit, to work in tandem with the HD2’s GPS and digital compass. The kit includes an in-car dock which grips tenaciously to the dashboard and a replacement battery cover with a special docking connector; that port recharges the HD2, as well as triggering HTC’s NaviPanel of PND-style functionality for easy use while driving.
[HD2 General] vindy:
Sorry, that's me trying to say "a full day's battery life", not 4 days - I've got a cold :rolleyes:

The docking station comes with a new battery cover with a connector; you can see it in the following picture:

http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/htc_hd2_slashgear_hands-on_20-540x358.jpg

The microUSB port is for power; it charges the HD2 when it's docked.

Chris

(SlashGear)
[HD2 General] kersh:
stock in mid november... why they announce this things and they launch it ages later? Its annoying
[HD2 General] mojohio:
I was this close to buying the ATT Tilt2 on Thursday and having to extend my contract with them for another 2 years. This news of the HD2 coming to the US in Q1 2010 couldn't have been timed better. Which has the better chance when the phone does arrive in the states: A) a CDMA version to be released by Verizon or Sprint, or B) a 3G GSM version to be released by either AT&T or T-Mobile? I am so glad we will have the option of it even coming to the states. If it turns out being Verizon or Sprint first- SEE YOU LATER AT&T. I just have the feeling it won't be AT&T because the HD2 is too close of a rival to that damned iphone holding us AT&T customers hostage.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Okay, I have a question: what the hell is the Leo going to do with 128MB of dedicated video memory?! :eek: I'm not complaining, exactly, but at this stage it seems like something they could easily have cut back on and spent the money elsewhere; I can't think what real-world applications will benefit. Games might; but how many games will be written specially for the Leo? I can't imagine any other Windows Mobile device will have that much video memory for some time to come. The extra main memory (320MB rather than the standard 256) makes sense as it should allow TouchFLO 2.5 to run without eating up every available byte. But the video memory I don't get.