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[HD2 General] tmn0004676:
HTC Leo vs Samsung Omnia II

I'm in the market for a new phone and am interested in this one. However, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread the Samsung Omnia II appears to have a lot more going for it;

Specifically, RDC radio with recording, 3.7" AMOLED lcd, TV-out, camera button, face/smile detection, front camera, 8GB storage, Surrond Sound, digital sound effects processor, larger battery, support usb mass storage.

Obviously, the Leo has 4.3" LCD, multi-touch, USB host, dimensions (thinness) and possibly some stereo speakers effect. As much as I like the capacitive screen I also like the ability for handwriting recognition on the Samsung. The Leo also has a compass but so too does the Omnia II.

On the basis of a functions score the Samsung would win but that 4.3" screen and depth profile looks really cool!

Any thoughts?
[HD2 General] JRK-Scope:
Didn't someone mention T-Mobile somewhere in this thread?
[HD2 General] alexnvidia:
you forgot to mention one important feature of Leo, Snapdragon 1GHz (ARMv7 Cortex A8) vs 800MHz Samsung ARMv6. and dont forget Leo has ATI Imageon (now qualcomm) Z430 GPU embedded.
[HD2 General] AldaR:
Europe: Network Bands

* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz

* GSM: 850/950/1800/1900 MHz

Asia Pacific:

* HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz

* GSM: 850/950/1800/1900 MHz

i cant understad the difference? someone please explain me ?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
EDIT: never mind, I got ninja'ed. :)
[HD2 General] mojohio:
I've seen T-Mobile mentioned before in this thread. However, I believe those are all in reference to T-Mobile Europe picking up the HD2 this month or next. As for US, the CEO specifically mentioned a 3G US version. If I recall, Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, and AT&T all have 3G service, so that does nothing to help narrow it down.
[HD2 General] ndn715:
like many here, q1 2010 is good news but i can't wait :)

since everyone outside the US with cash to burn will be buying one soon, i'm curious what it takes to work with 3G on ATT or T-Mobile in the states.

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=188866

I thought that it just had to have the 850 band for 3G in the US?
[HD2 General] galaxys:
I can't wait till 1st Q next year :eek: and probably will be 2nd Q anyway :rolleyes:

So, I'll be getting an oversea's version :)
[HD2 General] OldManChild:
My sentiments exactly.
[HD2 General] orb3000:
Born old

Hi galaxys,

For the time anybody can get the hands on Leo it will be old...

As for 1st or 2nd Q2010 a lot of better devices will be announced!!

That is the "new way" this times, all devices are born old

I´ll wait for Touch pro 3 with hardware keyboard:D

Cheers,
[HD2 General] kersh:
For me, Omnia 2 is a better phone, but without a forum like this making roms, patches and more things is not an option to buy
[HD2 General] galaxys:
That is one bad azz docking station for the HD2! I'v been waiting for something like that for my car! The Leo just keeps getting better :cool:
[HD2 General] xdaman85:
Looks like my HTC Hero is going to be up for sale very soon :)
[HD2 General] d_train:
So I see that it is finally announced and up on HTC Europe...I thought I saw info that this phone had Video Calling with a 2nd .3Mp front facing camera - I can't see that mentioned or find it on any screenshots.

So does anyone know if it has it or not? I see that RAM is more tan was expected too :eek:

DT
[HD2 General] 40oz2Freedom:
I'm loving just about everything about the HD2 and am starting to think the same. It fits so many of my business/work and media needs that I think I'll go nuts trying to wait to 2010.

I'm 90% sure I'll break and have to pick up an overseas version too, giving up US 3G but oh well, lol :eek:. What are your/others recommendations for the best retailer to import from? Expansys USA, Clove UK, etc?

Any confirmation of whether Telstra AU will get the HD2 and when?

Thanks again to B3ler3fonte for putting all the time and effort into posting the details of about his pre-release HD2!
[HD2 General] Silent Majority:
I admit I'm in the same boat as well. The only problem I have is I like to use my phone in meetings to take notes and stuff. Can't do that on this phone, and that's one of the main reasons I like WM.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
If you need a forum for Samsung ROMs, you can always go to Modaco. They do have a forum for the i8000: http://www.modaco.com/category/410/i8000-omnia-ii-http-i8000-modaco-com/

It is very active, albeit seemingly not as much so as XDA.
[HD2 General] audscott:
Bad news regarding Telstra AU HD2 release
[HD2 General] 40oz2Freedom:
I hear you there man, I use my X1 with stylus and keyboard in meetings pretty frequently. It would definitely be tough to lose that but there are so many other things to love. I'm kinda, sorta looking at the Acer F1 (neoTouch) too but the HD2's GPS/car kit is the one thing giving it the edge right now.

Great find m8, thanks. A little surprised to hear Telstra is gonna miss out on the HD2 fun for now.
[HD2 General] galaxys:
Yeh, that car kit is a killer plus and don't forget WiFi instead of 3G for US!

Keep an eye on Expance US for pricing, since the dollar isn't worth sh#t against the pound right now!

Oh, the acer will not have xda support...
[HD2 General] audscott:
I haven't had 3G with my HD (Portland, OR) without a concern. I'll be ordering my HD2 as soon as it's available at and never look back.
[HD2 General] 40oz2Freedom:
Word on the WiFi and no XDA support for the acer. I see Expansys USA's HD2 pre-order is $829.99 and Clove is $755 (based on today's exch rate). Shipping isn't far off so Clove looks to be a bit cheaper now but I'll keep an eye on Expansys.

Yep, we'll all forget the 3G once we unbox the HD2:D. Is it mid-November yet :p
[HD2 General] matthewhypolite:
cant wait on this phone, the Sense UI looks pretty sweet, i wonder if it can be mod or how difficult it is to create your own widgets, its pretty, but alot of wasted space imo.

The HD2 in itself looks like a killer device, november reach fast.
[HD2 General] milka:
For what Tel$tra were and still are trying to charge for the Touch HD they deserve to miss out on the HD2 and any other decent phone for the rest of eternity.
[HD2 General] Sylpheed:
Any word on HD2 release to SouthEast Asia? Would really love to know when this phone is coming..
[HD2 General] digimaz:
+1. the SouthEast Asia site doesn't seem to be updated and this worries me. would it not be coming like the tg01 and pre?
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Normally the release in this Middleeast is 3months-6 months after release in EU.

Happened same with HD also.

They use to update their site once they are ready for release.

Hope for the best.
[HD2 General] addicus:
I believe SE Asia has the same 3G bands as Europe so why not just import a phone in? Is the language a problem?

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Glad to see the US is getting a 3G Version. I'm hoping we get both CDMA and GSM versions for a little choice. I'm pretty sure Verizon wants a phone like this, but Sprint usually gets them and TMobile seems pretty Android centric now while ATT is all about the IPhone.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
If they have the same bands hope they get the phone over here soon. The last time i remembered, my country was one of the earlier ones which got the touch HD. Same goes for the Hero.
[HD2 General] kersh:
Anyone knows at what resolution can record this phone?

320 like all other htcs, 640 or 720p like omnia 2?
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
just watch the product overview at the htc site and tell me you're not nursing a semi!!

lol
[HD2 General] Sylpheed:
The most important thing about this phone is the Warrenty. Least that's to me. IF i were to buy from europe.. (might actually be cheaper here.. ) it'll be difficult for me to claim any warrenty, unless it works here.

Other then that, yes Europe phones works here i believe.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
The best thing to hope for is for HTC to bring the phone locally.And ASAP.
[HD2 General] Nara-e-Mastana:
When are we having a separate section for HTC Leo/HD2 in this forum?

It will be easy to explore the power of this device there....

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[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
On that basis, I'll just stick to using my Nokia 3310 because any phone I may or may not buy in the future will already be redundant by the time it comes out... :rolleyes:

What is the point in a comment like that? Your Pro 3 will be obsolete by the time it surfaces too, if you belive that point of view :confused:
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
The Omnia 2 doesn't get anywhere near 720p video recording. It maxes out at 720x480. You may possibly be thinking of the Omnia HD which is capable of recording 720p video (that is, 1280x720 resolution) at nearly 24 frames per second.
[HD2 General] OldManChild:
Silverlight on the HTC Leo

Silverlight apps would look real good and run real fast on the Leo.

Silly question but does Silverlight run on the Leo? Is there an emulator that one can use to develop and test software for the Leo?
[HD2 General] Super Chimp:
Will the HD 2 be getting a WM7 upgrade at some point?

What are Clove like as a retailer?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Has anyone found a hands-on video that shows the preloaded Opera browser in action?

I'd love to see how it does with complicated sites - ones with Flash animations, video, AJAX, lots of dynamic resizing and Javascript. How about a site like Google Reader, showing an article with an embedded Flash video :)...
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
We already know it won't be able to cope with Flash - although this will change in the new year, as Adobe has promised a fully-fledged FlashPlayer version 10.1 for just about every platform you can think of (except the iPhone). Beta version for Windows Mobile due out before Christmas.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Well that sucks :p... does that also include regular Flash (I thought WM6.5's Internet Explorer came with Flash), or just Flash video?
[HD2 General] seeraeuber:
the new king in town - leo - and CASH ...

Beside all the rumors, specs and so on about the highly demanded Leo - I`d like to remember:

For its price you will get a nice Laptop - and the car-kit will cost extra-money - plus a nice sleeve = quiet an awful lot of money if you want to buy it not combined with a contract.

I got to get one, but will dig a remarkable hole in my pocket - not only because of it`s dimensions .....
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
An official WM7 upgrade? Unlikely. WM7 is easily a year away, and there will be newer devices out by then, and from a support POV, the HD2 wil be forgotten, same as the Diamond/Touch Pro/HD were forgotten for WM6.5 upgrades. Unofficially, I'd be shocked if such a thing didn't turn up here.

Clove are solid, I and others I know have used them since the WM5 days and earlier without problems.
[HD2 General] wickeddeus:
HTC HD2:

121 x 67 x 11 mm

Iphone 3GS

115.5 x 62.1 x 12.3 mm

Difference:

+5.5 mm wider

+4.9 mm taller

-1.3 mm thinner

It's not that much bigger just looks much bigger because the screen takes so much real estate.
[HD2 General] donnaw:
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Ah, but it is much larger and heavier than my ks20 (which is 2.5 years old and I bought because it was smaller -99.8 x 58 x 12.8 mm x 95.5g ).

I'm a girl and carry a very small purse - not mucher bigger than a guy's pocket. So size is important. Unfortunately I live in Austin TX and unless a carrier picks it up I really have no way to put my hands on it before buying. All the stores here have only models carried by the carriers and I usually buy unlocked.

Having said that I still think I will get this phone. Other than the size it is exactly what I need and so I'm willing to go with the monster. I'll deal with the size to get the functionality.:D
[HD2 General] PeterI:
Pre-ordering on t-mobile

Anyone have any luck yet getting t-mobile (UK) to admit to getting the HD2, I've just gotten off the phone and the nice lady said she couldn't find any trace of it.

My contract has expired at the end of september and I'd like to get on a pre-order list for one and if it's going to involve a serious wait then I might go off to clove/expansys etc.

My nike has a scratch on the screen which is making the stylus inaccurate on some screen areas and I'm starting to get the shiny new gadget twitches....:)
[HD2 General] Tung_meister:
does anyone have an official date for o2 availability yet?
[HD2 General] surur:
Phone T-Mobile and threaten to leave. They will find it in their upcoming devices section as the HTC Touch HD2.
[HD2 General] Super Chimp:
Thanks for that clarification. I asked about the WM7 upgrade off the back of what I had read on an article about it on GSMArena.
[HD2 General] kenyloveg:
Just wonder, anybody get to know which GPS solution is implemented on LEO?
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Which ever one you think is best!
[HD2 General] leco:
it has Digital Compass it says so on htc site
[HD2 General] sdlopez83:
Thats right, we will all have new phones that are not even out right now by then. I'm sure WM7 will be rolled out with its own wm7 Geared phone from htc.
[HD2 General] kenyloveg:
anyone has 5Hz report rate should be the best, escpecially on Garmin:D
[HD2 General] mspingeld:
Keep in mind that, as impressive as they are by today's standards, the specs of the LEO only meet the minimum requirements for WM7. By the time WM7 is released, this phone will most likely be obsolete.

As a U.S. -A.T. & T. user, I'm going with the Tilt 2 (Rhodium). Waiting for a 3G compatible LEO seems kind of silly. The Rhodium should hold me for a year or so and then it will be a whole new ballgame.

(don't get me wrong- if I could get an unlocked LEO today, with U.S. 3G compatibility, I would.)
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
I'm following this thread quite keenly at the moment and like many others am waiting for this to hit the streets. I love the spec and the size is fine (after the Universal, all others seem small :) ) but am still hesitant about the lack of hw keyboard. I could get over this if I knew how well the capacitive screen works with the on screen keyboard. I tried the eyephone out the other day and it seemed fine. My concern with the Leo is the capacitive screen isn't supported by the OS. IIRC, this is done by an API from HTC???

so, how good is the keyboard (especially in landscape)????

Have to say I love the car kit set up (although not too sure about the lump this adds to the batt cover) especially the simplified UI for road use - neat idea. Win Mo 6.5 was always a pita for in car use.

Again, like others I'm waiting for a release date from the carriers here in the UK.
[HD2 General] audscott:
Same goes for fashion....shall we all walk around in the all-together? :D
[HD2 General] maw:
Htc touch hd 2

Dudes, check the specs here:

http://www.htc.com/www/product/hd2/overview.html
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
What are you talking about? I'm using Opera 9.7 from a Leo ROM and it supports flash. If flash doesn't come preinstalled on the Leo, it's easy to install.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
HTC phones have had a mass storage function for a while now, and it works pretty well (I have a Diamond). The internal memory isn't hugely important when you can stick in a 16GB (and eventually 32GB) microSD card, although I can see why an additional non-removable 8GB would be handy.
[HD2 General] Nara-e-Mastana:
Does it has pinch zoom functionality while reading Microsoft Exchange Emails?

Any idea?

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[HD2 General] TonyJ999:
Pre order on T-Mobile

I spoke to them about 2 o'clock today as my contract ran out on Saturday and was told it would be available from "mid October". They took my details etc so I'll just have to wait and see. They knew exactly what I was talking about though and coughed up information without any problem.
[HD2 General] Highd:
What build of opera are you using?
[HD2 General] hmota78:
Looks really really fast and responsive :D

Here is another video I found. There should be more presenters like her :D
[HD2 General] jdlorinser:
Nice. Love the phone and the girl!!
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
Interesting to note that video shows the HD2 on Vodaphone.

So thats 3 carriers in the UK so far ...
[HD2 General] PeterI:
Cheers I'll try again tomorrow.
[HD2 General] mtbmtbmtb:
Will multitouch work for apps like googlemaps?
[HD2 General] trap:
Where you found it?
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
check the video on post #854

watch the screen...
[HD2 General] Madcypher:
Why the mystery!?

WTH IS THE VIDEO RECORDING CAPABILITIES!? LOL

Somebody throw me a bone over here! Sheesh, wonder why this hasn't been covered by ANYBODY.

:D

Cyph
[HD2 General] TonyJ999:
No problem and as soon as I hear anything I'll lob a post up here. Who knows they might surprise us and actually come up with the goods this time unlike the Vario V! :D
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
I beleive you are jumping to the wrong conclusions. I think MS set the requirements with a margin to make sure that all WinMo 7 phones provide a good experience. On top of this, the HD2 doesn't just meet the bare minimum requirements, it actually exceeds them in a few quite important areas, e.g.:

It has more RAM than mandated.

The 1 GHz Snapdragon is substantially faster than e.g. a 600 MHz TI OMAP 3430 which would also meet the requirements for WinMo 7.

There will obviously be better things in a not too distant future, but I think the HD2 will be a good performer for a good while.
[HD2 General] kersh:
I fear that there will record only @ 640x480 and not @ 30fps like the last htc devices, far far away from other devices like omnia HD or omnia 2.

HTC allways makes ****ty cameras in their phones.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
NaviPanel

The specifications say: NaviPanel requires the HTC HD2 car kit which needs to be purchased separately.

I'm don't know how useful it would be (with or without the car kit), but I suspect that there is really no functionality in there that actually requires the car kit. I think HTC is just not making it available unless you connect the car kit, kind of like another incentive to spend that extra cash. Anyway, here's a challenge for anyone up for it (maybe it exists already in the leaked ROMs): Unlock the NaviPanel so that it is available regardless of whether the car kit is installed/connected.

Like I said, I don't even know how useful it would be (and maybe it actually needs the car kit in order to function), but it would be interesting to see what can be done.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I don't see how this NaviPanel is useful either way, with or without a carkit. It duplicates shortcuts/buttons available in all navi programs plus the Send hardware button. A complete waste of bytes.

The only thing that forgives its existence is a much worse stupidity, the mandatory Start hardware button (which in later builds of 6.5 will be right next to the soft Start button), together with the hardware and soft Phone buttons. Two pairs of duplicate buttons on an area of one square inch - how silly is that!

I really sincerely don't understand what people who design such stuff are smoking.
[HD2 General] Madcypher:
Is that confirmed??? They've been doing so good lately, getting progressively better with each new phone. With that hardware I can only assume that it at least does 30fps, only time will tell

Where's the dang full THOROUGH reviews? LOL

Cyph
[HD2 General] PowerupMobile:
We have set up our price comparison page for the HTC HD2 and so far there is one retailer listing the device on T-Mobile and on Vodafone. You can pre-order right now and be first on the list:

http://www.powerupmobile.com/tariffs-2-684.htm

You can also get an idea of pricing. I imagine O2 will be along similar lines.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Youtube has its own commercial of the HD2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0f54DmA4Os&feature=player_embedded

Edit:another video from cnet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCgBe2quYMk

If you pause around 0:30, the dots that were once seen in earlier pictures that could indicate a resistive screen.Maybe the screen is both capacitative and resistive?
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
How's the performance? In-Browser Flash video possible?

The Touch Diamond also had more or less the same CPU as the Touch Pro 2 - AFAIK, the Diamond still isn't getting an upgrade to WM6.5. It'll be the same with the LEO, probably...
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
35432, but what does it matter? It's not that some builds support flash and others don't, flash just isn't enabled in all builds and isn't installed in some ROMs, Opera itself doesn't come with flash. You can do both yourself, there's even an application in Development and Hacking that does it automatically.

Well, since I'm talking about Opera of course I mean in-browser flash. You need FlashLite for that. I wouldn't use flash anywhere else anyway, and that's what you need full Flash Player for.

As regards performance, it's OK in that you can watch videos and ads. I get some artifacts when scrolling pages with flash videos - the container doesn't move with the rest of the page and then jumps to the proper position after I stop scrolling. Apart from this minor esthetic annoyance, things work fine. I prefer to use the YouTube app whenever I can though, it's much more convenient, and use in-browser flash when I need to watch something outside YouTube.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
I didn't mean that I beleive HD2 will get an official upgrade. I would actually be quite (pleasantly) suprised if it did.

I am however convinced that it will be available through xda-devs, and that's all that matters to me.
[HD2 General] mtbmtbmtb:
Looks like pinch and zoom works in google maps!

Maybe it will need one of these magnetic styluses

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-capacitive-stylus-patent-app-filed-plus-dynamic-display-adjustment-1452318/
[HD2 General] IceEyz:
That CNET.de movie is great!

CoPilot is indeed the navigation software the HD2 will use, you can see it in the start menu. Also, I'm a bit worried about the digital compass that in fact it may not be a compass at all, but just based on GPS-activity.. In the video they visit the DigitalCompass application, which show the compass turning with the status: GPS Locating.

I sincerely hope that's just for navigating and that the digicompass truely is based on a hardware chip.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Ah, so your reasons for buying HTC devices are probably the same as mine: Awesome ROMs from XDA-Developers ;)
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Or Stuff could have just put a Vodafone sim in it! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Or the reviewers installed it for testing purposes! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Guru996:
A girl should have a bag for every occasion! :D
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
has anyone placed an order with expansys (UK)??
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
Here are loads of price plans on Vodafone and Tmobile for it.

The best one i can see is the T-mobile 'Combi 30' 12 month tarriff. The phone is £151.99 and the tarriff is £29.36 making it £504.31 in total.

Ill take three please T-mobile!
[HD2 General] donnaw:
lol

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well, I usually do but they are all pretty small. Just hate carrying around every thing in the house with me like some women. All I need is my phone, drivers license, a credit card and some cash. Would hate to replace my whole "bag" wardrobe for a phone but for this one I may just have to bite the bullet. Sweet phone:D:D:D
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
hmmmm so yeah the leo eh? cant wait
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
Does this come with web & Walk?
[HD2 General] kersh:
A spanish preview with the ceo of htc spain says that the device will have 720P recording but the camera have the same problems of olders htc's, super slooooow autofocus and shoot, like click, then autofocus for 3 seconds, and then photo but if you move the phone 1cm, the photo will not be clear
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Have placed an order on clove yesterday.
[HD2 General] htcfreak:
40,620.5378 Indian rupees.???
[HD2 General] kersh:
I have a (pre?)order with expansys
[HD2 General] ChefChaudart:
me too ! :)
[HD2 General] Nara-e-Mastana:
Does it has the functionality of "pinch zoom" while reading Microsoft Exchange Email?

Any idea?
[HD2 General] Firann:
O2 announced it will have it out on the 19th... Thats half a month faster than retail or Vodafone and T-Mobile
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
No.

Emirates Dirhams 2800/-, Iam in U.A.E:D