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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] californiarailroader:
We've got 5 carriers, AT&T (formerly Edge Wireless here, an AT&T affiliate), Verizon, US Cellular, Metro PCS and as of this summer/fall, T-Mobile, who is just building out in our area. In terms of actual coverage, it goes like this-

1.US Cellular

2.Verizon

3.AT&T

4.Metro PCS

5.T-Mobile (they are just building out, hence the low rating).

Sprint and Nextel have licenses to serve our area as well, but have never built out a network here. Sprint roams on US Cellular, and Nextel phones are just dead paperweights.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonnyp4l:
Oh it's obvious that they don't give a crap about it. My problem is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. "We don't give a crap about Windows Mobile users and we'll release the phones we're going to whenever we darn well please, but we want to be sure that HTC doesn't give people the opportunity to buy it before we make it available."

The fact that they keep the manufacturer from releasing an unlocked version that will work here is criminal. It's almost a cellular monopoly but in the sense that the carriers have gotten together as a team in an effort to remove choice from the consumer. They can claim all they want that you can still buy one from the manufacturer but that's like saying you can only buy a Porsche in the US from a Porsche dealer. If you order one from overseas, not only will you pay significantly more, we're also going to replace the engine with one from a 1987 Ford Escort.

Why can't we just buy the phone we want from whoever we choose and let that be that. I still have to pay for service any way you cut it. They can't be making THAT much money of the device itself anyway!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RacerX10:
Not me.

I'm cruising along just fine on my Kaiser till AT&T gets the Tilt 2 like they want it.

Everything I've read leads me to believe it's a great device and worth the wait. If I get 2 years out of a Tilt 2 like I have my Tilt 1, it's all good.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sepponearth:
I'm with you. Hopefully I'll be saying byebye to AT&T today...Once my TP2 arrives..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] argoldst:
I don't mean to be a little rough but STOP WHINING AND TAKE ACTION!

I felt exactly as you did and changing carriers wasn’t really an answer. After all, by buying from any carrier you are supporting HTC and the local carriers who arrange/force HTC not to release phones with US 3G bands.

The ONLY way this is going to change is if the customers (YOU) change.

Personally, I have decided I will NOT sign any 2 year commitment and I will NOT be forced to buy a data plan, and I will NOT support HTC who is allowing ATT and others to bully them into not releasing world phones with US 3G bands.

The solution is simple, buy from a company who DOES NOT DO THIS. Personally, I went with the Samsung Omnia 2. If that is not your cup of tea, look at Nokia’s or even the Sony X2 which is due out soon. Support the companies that are releasing phones with US 3G bands.

The only way the local carriers are going to change (or HTC) is if enough of us speak with our money and take our business elsewhere. That is the only way things will change. Whining about it on a forum isn’t going to have any effect.

Good luck to you and I hope you do speak with your wallet by taking your business to other phone manufacturers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
While I'm certainly not enjoying the wait to upgrade my 8525, I don't really see the issue with them waiting for WinMo 6.5. Sucks for me, but then I know the carrier is going to fully support it. Are all the other carriers going to have 6.5 upgrades ready and waiting on Oct 6th?

Also I feel like I'm in the minority, but my experience with AT&T has been great. Their 3G coverage in my area is fantastic. I'm not a big fan of AT&T as a company, but I have a hard time arguing with the service I receive.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] SoapDoctor:
My first post.

I've been waiting on ATT for what seems like forever. Think I'm going over to Sprint in a week or two so I can try out both the TP2 and the Hero then decide which one I want. Not to mention the monthly cost will be significantly reduced compared to ATT.

Have a newb question. I know there is a different hardspl for the Sprint version, that isn't out yet as far as I can tell, but once hardspl is out will all the roms, software, etc. for the other versions work on the CDMA version? If not I might be stuck waiting on ATT and paying too much for service.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sleonard:
I'm way ahead of you. I left AT&T 3 weeks ago for the TMo TP2.

Let's see, you don't have a TP2, don't even have an HTC phone, and are advocating that all of us also refuse to buy HTC altogether so WTF are you doing here in a forum dedicated primarily to HTC phones? It seems to me that if you really were serious about your little boycott you would put your money where your mouth is and "take your business elsewhere."

S
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MrDSL:
I highly doubt it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ekogutpl:
i think the main reason att hasnt released the touch pro 2 is that their network isnt ready to handle all the data the will be running on those devices, they have already alot of activity from the 3gs , also they are waiting to release it with windows 6.5 so that will be a plus because it will be definite that it will be fully supported, just my .02
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aaronsmckee:
Ditto, Verizon (coverage and unlocked GSM sim card), sprint if they have good coverage in your area (4G),
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
I would have jumped ship if not for the fact that it would cost me a minimum of $30/month more on any other carrier compared to my grandfathered plan.

So in the meantime my Tilt is enough to keep me going, though my patience is very thin at this point. I just want to know a release date (price too would be nice). That would at least make the waiting more bearable knowing when it would end.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DarkDvr:
Leave AT&T cause they release a phone 2 months after others? Doubly a solid reason.

I like AT&T, I like their prices (I pay $20 for unlim internet, + $70 for 2 phones (700 mins)). Plus their rollover feature is cool, I got like 4.8K minutes accumulated (way too much I know).

Plus their customer service is awesome, they've repeatedly forgiven me $200-$300 on my account when I went way out of limit (about 4 years ago). My friend with Verizon was so jealous.

Just hang tight, AT&T's tilt 2 will be out in Nov '09.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 666poseidon:
Hi All,

When cellphones first came out, it was recommended to use the battery till it was almost empty and then charge it fully. This would maintain the batterys charge carrying capacity.

I wanted to ask if this still holds true with the TP2 and the new Li-Ion batteries?

Specifically, if you keep charging the TP2 every night (lets say when it is at always at 60% capacity and charge it to 100% by morning), will it substantially decrease battery life?

Thoughts would be welcome!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RogerStenning:
There are a few schools of thought on that one, and to be sure, since you have opened the can, all the worms are now about your feet

Have fun putting them back in the tin again :p

Seriously, now...

Li-ion batteries do not suffer from the old Ni-Cad "memory effect". They suffer a loss of capacity and charge efficiency instead.

There's a rather good article on this over on wikipedia (link), but the long and the short of it is that for every charge, whether partial or full, the battery's ability to retain a full charge for a long period of time is lessened.

Thus, the longer you have the Li-Ion battery, and the more you recharge it, the more pronounced the effect, to the point where a couple of years down the line, the battery will take a full charge alright, but it might only hold that charge for a couple of hours at best.

The next stage in mobile device power cells will be Lithium Polymer (link), but that's new (relatively) tech, and there are a few problems in charging them - they require very specific charging handling to be safe/efficient.

Hope the above helps :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 666poseidon:
Apologies

Apologies, but a detailed answer to this has already been posted in the Wiki. I should have read that first.

In a nutshell though it seems like this problem is not there anymore. Infact it is recommended to charge from a partially charged state as compared to a fully discharge state. Please read teh Wiki for more information
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 666poseidon:
Thanks!

Roger Stenning: Thanks!

Also, people may want to take a look at the forums Wiki (not Wikipedia) to get more views

Over and out
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Simple. LiIon batteries like being charged early and often. Don't deep discharge them unnecessarily. However, it is not necessary to plug them into the wall every time you get off the phone. My typical charge cycle is overnight and in the afternoon at work I'll charge the phone, that has always gotten me through the whole day on my last 3-4 different phones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] beko1987:
I always end up charging my phone up often, mainly because I use it as my mp3 player, so don't want to run out of charge whilst walking. With replacement batteries at £20 off quid I don't see it as too much as a problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RogerStenning:
Oh yeah, almost forgot - if you don't want to charge the phone while you're synching with your PC, go to settings -> all settings -> power and check the box "When device is turned on, do not charge the battery when connected to the PC."
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] adamchap:
Dear all,

There's a really useful guide to maintaining laptop and phone batteries from Battery University, cut into a short overview at http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/05/07/beginners_battery_maintenance/

Definately worth a read and busts a lot of the myths out there.

Adam.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] acrh2:
Everyone seems to agree that keeping a battery charged is the best way to go.

Yet common sense tells me :) that since the optimum storage charge is 50%, then the battery might last the longest if it's operated around that level.

In other words, if your battery is around 60-70% and you can afford that, don't charge it until it drops to maybe 30-40%, then charge it back to 70%.

Does that make any sense?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RogerStenning:
not realy, I'm afraid. Read the wiki I linked to - you'll see that when a Lithium-Ion battery is charged, resistive deposits collect inside the electrolyte, causing the battery to be able to maintain a full charge for less time after each successive charging cycle. It's therefore best to charge the battery to its' fullest capacity each time, and allow it to drop to (my personal preference for Li-Io kit) no lower then 20% or so, so as to maximise the usable life of the battery. I can show you an Li_Io battery from my last pda/phone, an HP iPAQ hw6915, where the battery is so knackered that it'll only hold a charge for an hour - at best. That, after two years of partial charges due to repeated resyncs and concequential recharging in the interface cradle.

Hope the above helps you with a reasonably informed decision :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
I think you're reading it wrong.. A charge cycle does not mean you plugged in the charger, it means it's a full cycle. Not necessarily from 0, but charging it 2-3% while your syncing would not be considered a "charge cycle".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Whenever current goes in, that's "charging". The more you do it, the less the battery holds. Period. It doesn't matter if you didn't get it all the way "full" or not, it matters if you plugged it in. Basically, using a rechargeable battery wears it out. I know, it's hard to believe. Discharging a cell completely wears it out extra fast. Don't do that.

FYI, the Prius never tries to never discharge it's (NiMH) battery below 40%, nor charge it over 60%. It does this to maximize the life span of the cells, but of course, it means your battery has a whole lot less usable capacity. It's a trade-off.

"Memory effect" basically doesn't exist, not in any circumstances you've ever encountered. I recommend reading this:

Dan's Quick Guide to Memory Effect, You Idiots
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] acrh2:
If that's true, then it's basically what I said, except not in such an extreme. And the other guy said "oh no, not really".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Right, I'm reinforcing what you said.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kyleasher:
QUESTION! battery discharge

Found this old thread! Had a question. I have had the TP2 since it came out, I used to only have to charge it every other day or every 3 days. Now it is loosing charge quickly. Half a day at best. A day max with medium use, when medium use for 2 1/2 days killed the battery.

What is going on? Have Nue installed, seems that the voltage discharging is normal. But it seems to also drop from 10-0 REALLY quickly too. For instance, last two recharges have gone from 10 percent to 8 to 6 to 1% (nue showed it as 2 for about 30 seconds then it too showed at 1%.

What is going on with my battery?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s9ortner:
Hi everyone! I'm looking for a ROM with the Touchflo3d interface. Are there any out there? Or are there any Touchflo CAB's out there available? Thanks in advance!!!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Damager:
Dude, you havent been looking hard enough.

Check out RyanMogul's WM6.1 Light and heavy Roms
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s9ortner:
I looked at those and they are manilla 2d ROMs unless I missed one.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] danzig69:
FTouchFlo_v1.4.1.cab

hello, I use FTouchFlo_v1.4.1.cab 59Ko and it work great PPC6800 23025a, verry usfull in Internet explorer. here is a direct link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=338143
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] unL33T:
He's looking for the TouchFlo3D Today interface. Not the program to enable gesture/finger input on older builds of WM that do not have it built in.

There is a cab somewhere. There are also a few "copies" of TouchFlo3D that run a little better on the Titan. I think one was called Cube3D or something like that. SPB also makes a similar program. It's called SPB Mobile Shell.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skauk:
I just got myself a T mobile G2 in the UK I noticed that unlike my previous G1 also from T mobile there is no google branding on the case.

The G1 had the Google logo on it and I used to get Over the Air updates when android was updated. Due to the lack of google logo and the HTC sense UI on the Hero (G2) will this still get the OTA updates for android ?? E.G. when the release version 1.6 (donut) ??

Or will this have to be a ROM update from HTC ?
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] foxmeister:
The G2/Hero can receive OTA updates, but it is unlikely that Google will push them and thus far, HTC don't see to have bothered using the facility. Whether on not they will in the future remains to be seen.

Of course, if you're on Orange with their miserly 500mb data allowance, I doubt you'd want 100+ MB pushed to your phone over their network anyway!

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skauk:
Im thankfully T Mobile

But it means im gonna have to wait for ages to get 1.6 when it comes out
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Stafflover:
Why do you think that then?

As far as I know no one got a update pushed to his hero, and there are updates available for download (non-custom roms I mean)

So I think downloading the update yourself will be faster instead of waiting for one being pushed to your phone.
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] skauk:
whats the best way to Theme the T Mobile G2 phone ? I mean not just changing the wallpaper or is this not possible without a rooted phone ?
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] barryduffman:
Hi!

Anyone have my phone or similar and know which Cotulla rom I should upgrade with? I only have 2003SE and have an iPhone 3g and to be honest disappointed with it!! Will be in the market for a new smartphone/ppc soon but atm would be interested in breathing some new life into this old phone. I don't use much data (grps) but have the Sandisk Wificard which I use at hotspots, etc. English rom aswell, thanks!

Thanks very much!!

Barry

EDIT: Uggh.. just realised my Sandisk 256mb+WIFI card only works with 2003 and below!! :(( Guess no way to get it working on wm6??

2nd EDIT: Doh.. just realised you can only upgrade with XP!! Any chance of Windows 2k? I have only got Vista and 2k.. I presume the reason for XP is for the ActiveSync? Thanks
[JAM, MDA Compact, S100 Software Upgrading] almostthere:
These would oughta work and fills your requirements

http://www.cotulla.pp.ru/Magician1.html

Sorry bout the Vista part it seems unless you search a round abit, the USB drivers on Vista don't seem to work properly. You could try flashing on Windows 2000. It's either it will or it won't detect the phone during the RUU's detecttion procedure
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] toth42:
When I recieve an MMS, slide to textmessages in TF3D, i see the subject/text of the MMS as a normal sms, and a little icon for attachment.

When I click the attachment, I'm taken to WinMo-message system, where there is yet another attachment icon. Finally, when I click this, I can see the pic/video/sound attached?

Does it have to be this inconvinient? Isn't there a way to view the MMS in it's entirety in TF3D?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] harshars:
i'm having the exact same problem. haven't found a solution either.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] sunwee:
same here. MMS seems like a poor afterthought in the WinMo world. even some of the better SMS apps like Vito SMS chat has very poor support for MMS.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] FrAsErTaG:
Hi guys

I have been diging around for past couple of days many posters say they are running a standard build that has a few tweaks such as root, wifi teether and few other bits and bobs.

This is what im after, but cannot locate it on the forum, I know it must be here burried under all the hero roms... can anyone please point me in the right direction?

I have a 32a
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] dial100:
Is this it?>>>http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4257045&postcount=38
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] obsydian:
Guys, need to send my TP2 back ASAP, relcoking it but thought I've changed the splash screen anyone have this I need to today as the handset will be collected tommorow.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] obsydian:
Somemore

Guys, just realised the Vodphone stock ROm listed on XDA, does not give the Vodaphone theme, an ideas where I can get that (checked the themes thread already).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] obsydian:
Solved

I visited the Vodaphone site and all is back to stock and the splash screen, just need to run relocker SPL.

For future reference the official link is http://devicehelp.vodafone.co.uk/firmwaredevice.php?ModelID=384&e=0
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Britlantine:
Sorry to hear that you had a problem with the phone, but cool you got it reflashed. Let me know if they accept it as I'm a Vodafone user tempted to unlock and flash new Roms but got burned by T-Mobile when I did that on my Vario III.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] moshnjack:
1. Hello bro, could somebody please help me change the background of the explorer?

2. and how to change the icons too (opera,album,today,owner information)

thanks a lot....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] paulrgod:
Yes - download this tool, located here :-

http://rapidshare.com/files/176806394/UITweaker.cab

It allows you to change the colours of most WinMo Elements :)

Enjoy!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] moshnjack:
thank you so much bro,

i have another question, now i have changed my ROM from cloudy to Shaks. the problem is, when i used g config at cloudy, it works. i can change display orientation for the some applications. But not at Shaks. how about that?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] danifilth4king:
3rd Party Rotator

Hey! Just use a 3rd party screen rotating app, like changescreen. (That's what I use) You can use it to rotate ANYTHING and create exceptions, lock apps to load in a particular orientation etc.

Hope this helps!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] moshnjack:
thanks bro, can you share the link where to download?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] danifilth4king:
Here you go mate :)
[General Questions and Answers] mholmb:
My i900 is not working 100% with the two latest version of S2U2. I have to use the phone password due to outlook sync (work related) and my phone will lock after 30 min. This is ok but I get a blank screen and I have to remove the battery to get the phone alive again if I answer a call when the phone has been "untouched" for 30 min. This is not the case if I use version 1.52 of S2U2. Tks, MH
[Touch HD General] trapichu:
rom after changing the camera stops working ....

someone knows why ...

help.
[Touch HD General] cvchetan:
go back to ur stock rom and see if the camera works. if yes then consider flashing another rom and use the camera without installing ant othr third party apps..

sumtimes third party apps can be culprits...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Sopis:
Just want to share my newest wallpaper for blackstone..already in 800*480

enjoy
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
I almost love it !!!

almost because the f*** you is a bit hard to read - but it aint a problem!!! :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] soterisk:
LOL...!!!!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] arturobandini:
Yeah... Not bad ! :)

First I didn't see the skulls....
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hampan:
Quick question , is it possible to use a nandroid backup from another hero on my hero or is every nandroid backup unique to the phone it was created on?
[Hero, G2 Touch Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] scopes64:
Yes you can use a Nandroid backup set from another phone.
[HTC Excalibur] uccellino:
Hi,

For those interested in the effort to port Android to the Excalibur, wing-linux android 0.4pre4 has been released with support for the Excalibur. Installation should be pretty easy (must install to the micro SD card).

For details and download: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/wing-linux/wiki

This project is looking for more developers, so you're welcome to join.

Please Note: to reset your device after using android you'll have to take out the battery. As mentioned, the software does not install to the phone's ROM, so it's nice and safe ;) no flashing!

Biggest issue is that sound doesn't work yet. GSM works if your SIM card has no pin. For information on setting up GPRS, please see the wing-linux forum.

Please test all you can, and report back either here, or even better at the wing-linux forum.

Cheers,

Update:

To fix the problem that the console is rotated the wrong way, after installing, go to the linux folder on the SD card and edit the "default.txt". In the CMDLINE variable, remove "fbcon=rotate:3".

For those of you that want a normal linux console, i.e. so Android doesnt start automatically, change the "4" on the end of this line to a "3" (this is the runlevel)
[HTC Excalibur] Mjolnir1204:
help

Can you hel me? I want to know if i can to install this so on my excalibur telcel (mexico) and how can i install it?

thanks
[HTC Excalibur] drnayeem:
Hey great news......

Good going ..........

Hats off to all the geniuses on this project,

and a special thanks to UCCELLINO to get it on our beloved DASH
[HTC Excalibur] drnayeem:
Hey Just one question ,

Is it the same cab for all the models ?