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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aryan79:
I always flash via PC, using files from the original HTC ROM and the customized NBH. I never flashed a RADIO, only cooked ROM. If I flash via PC will I get an Hard Reset??? :confused:

Second: I have the original 1.13 Radio. After flashing must I change something(eg rilphone) or not?

Thanks! :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tonyfung820:
I have just flashed the raido on PC. Enter Bootloader mode, then unzip the file and click .exe and press YES all the way. No hard reset after flashing the radio.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] skr_xd:
As ardsar said,

You need to use custom RUU for flashing if you dont want to hard reset your device.

I have uploaded the radio with custom RUU for those who dont want to hard reset.

Try the below the link.

http://www.mediafire.com/?tttvo0zkhmm
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] JFisBack:
Here is a another Link:

http://rapidshare.com/files/280457795/HTC_Blacstone_radio_1.17.25.09.rar

Is the EU Version!

Don't need a Hard Reset!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] timbohere:
You have to be quick here

Thanks for that. Those replies actually came up as I was posting. Just shows how quickly thing move along here and I have to run to keep up. Must run harder:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mehmarine:
How can i flash this Radio

Dear Friends,

I have recently flashed ROM 1.56.405.1 radio 1.13 Stock WWE Rom from HTC Official site using USPL 2.5 Method,

Now can anyone please help me how to flash this Radio? Do i have to flash HSPL or use same USPL 2.5 as i used to flash ROM?

Or just flash the Radio 1.17 using USB cable through Bootloader?

Or have to flash Via Storage Card by renaming the NBH file to Blacimg.NBh?

Please help me i have just downloaded the radio and waiting to your guidelines.

Thanks in Advance,

Regards
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Arkangex:
Gracias campeon, vamos a probarla.:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sweet_eye_h:
THNKS ALOT goin2try it rightaway :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sweet_eye_h:
hi i always flash radio's using usb connection and then run uspl-then (put the radio.nbh with any rom update utlity that come's with any rom u flash "HD_Blackstone_CustomRUU" in a same folder then run the update utility (its like flashin any rom" flash &Enjoy
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mehmarine:
Thank You Mate

Thank you Mate,

But one question more, Can i use Custom RUU which i used to flash HSPL once before i flash the rom then again restored the stock SPL to flashthis new ROM 1.56.405.1 Stock WWE ROM,

Please correct me bellow if i am missing any thing,

1- execute RUU in the folder

2- then after showed up the files replace the .NBH file with Radio.NBh file with renaming as RUUs .NBH

3- then start to flashing

Please once again i am waiting,

Best regards
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] wutdy:
thank you for MF.com

it work in thailand too(dtac). no hard reset.

test gps gprs signal good more 1.14 in my feel.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] henrik.dk:
Great. I will try it then.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jolas:
It works in Greece.

More tests needed to find out if it is better or not...

Flashed through SD Card to avoid hard reset.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] TomF1979:
Works great in Austria.

Gps fix in 5 seconds :)

Flashed with Uspl and BlackstoneCustumRuu without Hard Reset.

Br Tom
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] zenkinz:
for x64, it will work, as long as you boot your win7 with signature enforcement disabled (press F8 at bootup to choose the menu)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] maharajah12:
but my one wifi constanntly dropping, any fix? please help?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Vledderos:
Works great in the Netherlands no hard reset for me (used mediafire link)

definitely faster with GPS. further I don't see any significant changes :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hispeedworm:
Mods please make this thread sticky....its an official new radio after a long time... for blackstone
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] zenkinz:
it says wrong vendor ID when I try to flash it. I am using a unlock HD, so is this just for Europe HD?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] reidar.ostrem:
Does not work in my HD ..( NOR/EU ) Get to 4% and my HD reboots and the RUU says this "rom upgrade" is not for my phone......... Anyone else got this ?

EDIT: Ops.. my bad.. forgot to run uspl ...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] zenkinz:
thanks for the tips! didn't know I have to run uspl for stock rom, but come to think of it, the uspl/hspl will bypass the vendor id check.

Thanks!

btw, it does hard reset my phone. I'm using the exe downloaded from htc site.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tacginc:
USA Users

Any USA users try this yet?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwj:
I have flashed this latest 1.17 radio to my HD with latest energy ROM and can confirm phone reception is definately better than with radio 1.14. I can see this as I recently changed provider and have been disappointed with marginal reception but it is now much better. I cant confirm anything about GPS, WiFi etc as I've always been happy with them on previous radios too so can't say if it is better or not. I've always been able to get a good lock faster than I can type a destination into igo8 so thats fine by me!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
I've updated the wiki official radio page and [RADIO] [WIKI] Blackstone Radios - Updated 15 September 1.17.25.09 thread which now includes this radio. That thread is already a sticky and includes all official radio's so no need to sticky this thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] benz710:
just flashed for 3 hrs on my HD with Topix 2.9.4.

everything works fast and fine-wifi, blue tooth, gps 3G.

still can not see the different between 1.13 and 1.17.

battery life--- have to see a couple of days.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gramsey1911:
I am in North Carolina USA and the new radio is great. GPS is really fast...I am using a Telstra Touch HD. I am going to the Baltimore/Washington DC area this weekend so I can test the ATT's 850 3g when I get there. There is only 1900 3g here so I can't test 3g in North Carolina with ATT. If you have 850 3g in Phoenix then give it a shot. GPS is really fast with Edge I can say that. Battery life seems better. Voice quality seems better too a lot clearer than the 1.14 radio. Also My Telstra HD doesn't get hot either.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
Thanks, a slightly more useful bit of feedback than "works great".

Radio threads are often very ambiguous as to whether there is actually any improvement on previous radios.

One thing I've never been impressed with is the poor receiver sensitivity of the HD - and I mean for voice calls, not WiFi, GPS etc. No radio I've tried yet has really made an impact on this short-coming (and I live in a poor signal area too).

Did you run the *.exe installer or simple flash the file as a *.NBH off your memory card? (I'm still not clear if a RIL file is required and/or included).

I shall be interested to hear what Fallen Sparten makes of this new Radio.

Cheers,

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tacginc:
Thanks for the feeback:). In Phoenix we only have the 1900 as well. Verizon owns both the A & B bands of 850:mad:. So, I'm always on the EDGE band.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
First impressions

Updated to 1.17 after flashing Duttys Leo R3, no hard reset using HSPL and custom RUU.

Few basic tests indicate this radio should be on par with 1.16, GPS and Wi-Fi work fine. I'll have to test phone calls tomorrow as that would be my ultimate test. 1.16 was better than 1.14 in terms of calls dropping in low signal levels and the battery heated less. I'll post more comprehensive 1.17 results tomorrow.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cvchetan:
hey guys... jus a suggestion.. why not we follow the example post given by fallen sparten to report the 1.17 radio..

also lets focus on the charecterestics of the radio rather than wether it caused a hard reset or not..

do not take this post in the negetive sense..

cheers.

chetan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] eazy76:
I just flashed to this radio I was using 1.14 so far call quality reception are way better. I am using the telstra 8285 and live in chicago 1986 kbits/ sec on 3G very happy before 1127 more bars also gps instantly
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] reidar.ostrem:
No probs..

But if you enter bootloader and use customruu you don't need to hardreset..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
First impressions

* Radio version: 1.17.25.09

* With ROM: Dutty's R3 Leo

* Country/Location/Network: Ireland/Belfast/Orange

* Battery life: Same as 1.16 radio, possible slight improvement but haven't tested fully.

* GPS: Good reception, 5 second GPS fix

* GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: Currently using edge, working good

* WiFi signal: On par with 1.16

* General comments: This radio is on par with 1.16 which should be good news for most as you don't need to security unlock device first. No hard reset using HSPL and custom RUU
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
My old SE K750 still totally outperforms, GSM signal Rx wise, both my present HD and previous Trinity!

I think part of the problem is that "proper" smart-phones tend to generate more local RF radiation (EMC) that interferes with the receiver. And no Radio upgrade is ever going to fix that!

Also, I got confused by the need, or not, for RIL. The last radio I tried out was 1.14 and it seemed noticeaby worse than 1.13 regardless of RIL. I only stayed with 1.13 because it gives a quicker GPS fix time, but its no better than any other radio I've tried for voice calls or signal dropping, as far as I can tell.

Maybe I'll try 1.16 and 1.17 if I have some time over the w/e...

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] weichei:
fitting rillphone.dll???

Same question here! Can anybody extract the related dll-file so we can install both radio AND dll!

Would be a nice gift!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ati75:
* Radio version: 1.17.25.09

* With ROM: Topix 2.9.4

* Country/Location/Network: Germany/Stuttgart/Vodafone

* Battery life: Can't say yet, as it has been one day only. But nothing suspicious up till now.

* GPS: Good reception, but i had no problems with older radios

* GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: @home im using edge, due to the lack of 3G. In the city hsdpa reception seems to be better, but i could imagine things :)

* WiFi signal: same as before

* General comments: No heat up issue, which is good. With 1.14 my device was really heating up. The truth is, i didn't really need a new radio, as i had absolutely no problems using 1.13, but you all know how it is. You always want to try out new roms/radios/apps. I will keep this on my HD for the time being, as i did not notice any downside yet.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cc62:
GPS location

hi there,

GPS fix improved much!

Also my location is more accurate and the lag seems smaller (wishful thinking?).:rolleyes:

I'm not shure there is a relation between GPS location and the radio, but the location is really accurate this time.

For the rest of the stuf, no significant improvement. But every thing works fine.

thanks for the update:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rodix85:
Is the Rilphone.dll integrated in the Radio ROM or have I install it manually?

I can't find any information about this.

Thanks!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cc62:
The sky is crying

Yep, wishful thinking. As soon as the sky is overcast results are back to "normal". :cool:

Not the Fix, that's really a great improvement.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bairro:
can it be done using USPL?

Hello people.

can some one tell if this upgrade can be done using USPL?

thx in advanced.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Yes mate, all official radio's can be done with either USPL or HSPL. However check this thread, think some people where having issues with radio causing a hard reset afterwards. I used RUU & HSPL and had no hard reset
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aryan79:
And the battery consumption? :confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
I hope I can help clear a few things.

The radio is flashed onto the phone's ROM area (or flash ROM if you like), whereas the ril file is included in and run by the operating system, so they live in two different locations. A normal radio flash can't install a ril file which needs to be installed similar to installing a program on your HD. These two can be included together in a cooked ROM (Dutty's ROMs for example) but if you do a standalone radio flash, you need to insure that a compatible ril file also exists in your phone. So far both 1.16 and 1.17 seem to run fine with 1.14 ril file, that's why you may not have to install it separately as it is probably already included in the ROM.

My observation is that radio 1.16 is much better than 1.14 in terms of sensitivity (not enough data on 1.17 yet) but my older Sony Ericsson P1 (or P990 or pretty much any other phone I have) still greatly outperforms my HD as far as call quality is concerned. In a way, I'm not too surprised about the difference in call quality between SE & HTC, as traditionally SE phones are basically phones with PDA capabilities whereas all WM based devices are PDAs with additional phone capabilities and the difference shows.

I always prefer to flash from my PC, I don't like the idea of using my SD card while its drivers are also being flashed :) Also, some brands of SD cards give errors when you try to flash from them.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fbp2k:
and the USB driver for the cable when you use a cable method ? :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mithoss76:
Ok I have had this installed and running for about a day and have not noticed real change in battery life or reception (114 previous radio) however gps fix time hes drastically improved under a minute now compared to almost 5 before
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
Good point. However, statistically SD card errors are more common :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] N!ghty:
just flashed via ruu, hspl, win7 x64 - easy flash, no hard reset!

radio seems to work fine in germany
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gramsey1911:
I am so jealous that you get those speeds with you telstra hd...Only time I get those speeds is when I either go to Atlanta or anywhere from Washington DC north to Batlimore. I really wish ATT could get the 850 license in North Carolina.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lufeig:
is it just me or somebody else is also experimenting a higher battery comsumption with 1.17 than with 1.16?

fully charged at 08:45 am, made a three phone calls (1 of them using bluetooth, but it lasted less than 15 seconds) and nothing else, now at 12:45 pm battery measures 80%.

if it matters, i live in sao paulo, brazil, and my provider is TIM.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] djcedric:
My impression is also that the battery is empty a little faster as 1.16,phone reception,edge,gps is the same for me,i think i go back to 1.16:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Haven't fully tested battery yet, but looks my earlier assumptions maybe off. Looks like battery consumption may be slightly worse than 1.16 but I'd like to get at least a full days testing to be sure
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] thierryjc:
Salut, idem ici (region parisienne), Bouygues Telecom, ROM PDAVIET V62, Radio 1.14

Hi, same problem here ( paris suburbs), Bouygues Telecom, ROM PDAVIET V62, Radio 1.14

Regards
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigE:
USA users

Just flashed and testing. Can't say anything yet..

* Rom: PhamQuang V62

* Location: Southern California (3G on 850Mhz)

* Phone: HD Telstra 8285 (3G USA)

* radio: 1.17, changed from 1.16

* performance:

- Voice: seems to have one bar more in bad reception areas, compared to 1.16

- 3G : seems the same as 1.16. I actually turn it off using WMLongLife most of the time

-2G : Good performance, no noticeable improvement from 1.16

-WiFi: not tested.

-GPS: Was great in 1.16, seems the same in 1.17

- battery: too early to say.

As in 1.16, phone does not get hot. I flashed to 1.17 because i am XDA junkie, and must try it all. previous radio was great for me, and unless 1.17 will kill or reduce battery life, i will keep it, as i like to be on the latest and greatest.. but I can't say yet if this is improving anything to US users on AT&T or not.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sweet_eye_h:
hi soory 4long wait i just opened the thread,,about "Custom RUU" i think u should be able to use it,so put it with the radio.nbh is same folder then run uspl-then run it and delete the other .nbh of spl from the files then continue ,i guess it should work fine
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sweet_eye_h:
Hi this is my test for 1 day using this new radio:

* Previous Radio version: 1.14.25.24

* Radio version: 1.17.25.09

* With ROM:tested on duty 6.5 r9 "for now"

* Country/Location/Network: Iraq/Baghdad/Asiacell

* Battery life:i think its worse"but not that much"than 1.14

* GPS: Much improvement reception.

* GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: using gprs, works the same"fine"

* Comment: i think the gsm signal is a little bit not stable ,,though my big impression

that the gps signal is better than 1.14 for me.

plus no hardreset 4 me:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] skr_xd:
Hard SPL : 1.56

Current ROM- Dutty's WM6.5 R9 Turbo

Radio version : 1.17

Operator : du (U.A.E)

After one day use,

1. The GSM reception seems to be same as with 1.14. (not checked with 3G).

2. Battery life seems to be better for me than 1.13 and 1.14. Iam a heavy voice call user. I use for 120 to 150 mins (Atleast 50 to 75 voice calls) of voice calls everyday.

3. No heatup issues so far.

4. GPS locks in less than 40 secs initially(same with 1.14)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
I got curious and tested 1.17 over 3G.

Download speed: 1.888 MBit/sec

Upload speed: 0.603 MBit/sec

These results will show small variations in each test but I think we have a representative value now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] d.cortez:
my radio test results

Test consisted of 2, 12 hour period

Previous Radio version: 1.14.25.24

Radio version: 1.17.25.09

ROM: PDAViet WM 6.5 (23047) V60

Country/Location/Network: USA/Dallas/at&t

Battery life: consistent with 1.14 version, at the end of each 12 hour period i had 20-25% remaining capacity

GPS: No change, fast signal lock

Wifi: performance consistent with 1.14

GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: consistently 1 less signal bar compared to the 1.14 radio, minor degradation in call quality (e.g., more interference) in areas that normally have no interference, 3G speeds consistent with 1.14 (speed tests rangde from 1,801-2,213 Mbit/sec), RSSI 1 values were within +-2 dbm of low high range for 1.14 radio.

Comment: except for the minor call quality issue noted above, radio performance is consistent with 1.14.

conclusion: will keep it on my microSD card and use if/when i have signal issues to further evaluate performance.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fAZernERo:
Just installed. SD Method. No Hard-Reset

* Previous Radio version: 1.14.25.24

* Present Radio version: 1.17.25.09

* With ROM: Mario Lite June 3

* Country: Italy

* Cell Operator: Wind

* GPS: max 7 sec to fix

* GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: Seems to take 3G with more stability

* Wi-Fi: As 1.14 but less heat up

NiceOne.

(fN)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
Vodafone UK

has anyone had a good improvement on this with Vodafone UK?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Idddd:
Many Thank.:p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kingsnordley:
Downloaded this and flashed OK. I'm working on a poor signal area - device using Experia radion often shows 2 bars but unable to make a call - but can make calls with this new radio.

So far, so good!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] noris08:
Installed yesterday using USB method. No Hard-Reset

* Previous Radio version: 1.09.25.14

* Present Radio version: 1.17.25.09

* With ROM: 6.1 stock

* Country: Romania

* Cell Operator: Orange

* GPS: more or less same as before - 10-15 sec

* GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: didn't notice any plus or minus

* Wi-Fi: slightly better - faster connection and faster data transfer and less heat up

* Battery: seems to be worse - further tests needed (could be a strong reason to go back to 1.09.25.14 although my HD neber lasted more then 1.5-2 days)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ardsar:
you may want to try it with 1.14 RIL which can be found in the raido thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ardsar:
As this upgrade from HTC does not include a RIL update, does anyone know what radio was being used on the target device before this update. That will give us an indication to the best RIL version to use. I've tried 1.13 and 1.14RIL but cant decide which one is best!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] noris08:
i could also do that, but what is the benefit from doing it?

why 1.14 RIL is better then 1.09 RIL in combination with 1.17 radio?

maybe somebody could issue the 1.17 RIL though
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ardsar:
The ROM upgrade does not have a RIL therefore it is using an older RIL. The RIL driver is the interface between the "call routines" in the main rom to the radio software. If the wrong ril is used, issues can occur, including increased power consumption. There is a good explanation of this in the radio thread. Radio 1.09 is very old and therefore there is a good possibility that the the RIL drivers have significant changes that may affect performance.

Reports on other threads have suggested that RIL 1.14 works well with radio 1.17.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] noris08:
yes, i red that and i am aware about theory

i didn't say that my actual RIL doesn't work well with this radio, i just said that subjective (i can't have an objective opinion just after 1 day of use) the battery autonomy seems to be worse

same thing said fallen spartan, if i remember well

so, long story short:

i never experienced any kind of trouble with my very old radio and very old ril.

i just flashed this new radio as an exercise and out of curiosity

i thought you can explain the factual difference between keeping 1.09 RIL with 1.17 radio and replaceing it with 1.13 or 1.14 RIL as long as also these versions are not intended for 1.17 radio (maybe i am wrong:confused:)

thank you!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ardsar:
Appologies for trying to help with your reduced battery life!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] noris08:
you don't need to be sarcastic.

i post what i've noticed and ask a legit question.

i just hoped you have the answer. if not, there is no problem

cheers!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tausifs:
Installed yesterday using Bootloader-USB method. No Hard-Reset

* Previous Radio version: 1.14

* Present Radio version: 1.17

* With ROM: Miri 23017 manila 2.5 Ver.7.1 & Dutty's R3 Leo

* Country: Pakistan

* Cell Operator: Warid Telecom

* GPS: more or less same as before - 08-10 sec

* GPRS/3G/EDGE/HSDPA: Improved connection in terms of time required to connect.

* Wi-Fi: slightly better - faster connection and faster data transfer and less heat up

* Battery: still testing. Not sure.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Would also agree with this statement