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[HD2 General] orelsi:
You are getting a huge device already. Plus, typing on a hw keyboard is faster, more comfortable and more accurate. It gives you more buttons as well (morphgear ftw).

LOL indeed. What about all the games you cannot play, apps you cannot use, media playback through hw controls that you are losing? No scrolling through ehbooks and no navigating menus for you...

P.S. You don't have to look at them, they are for pressing.

...5% more, at best. Less accurate and a hundred other things that start with "less" not with "more"...

Never happened with my X1. How will you use apps like "smaberg's actionscreen" without a powerbutton? Sometimes when the device freezes the powerbutton is the only one that works, etc. It is useful and a must.

Ah, you will be counting the failed attempts of taking a pic with software buttons next time. AWESOME!

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Utter brainless tripe. This is a great device.[/QUOTE]

Utter brainless tripe. This device sucks.

Oh, you mean the huge number of capabilities and options that users will lose with the poor external controls of the Leo? Not to mention the capacitive screen deficiencies...Why are there so many people that lack the mental capacity to understand this basic concept? I have a month old cat that could understand that.

We shall see.
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Phoned T-mobile yesterday.

They now have specs on the system for the HTC touch HD2 and a given release date of 6th November! (almost exactly 2 weeks after o2 release date). At present no price information available from them.
[HD2 General] Limlin:
I guess when T-mobile fully announces this phone, the price will be high....
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Well for my last 18month contract on flex25 (£25 a month) I took a £17 a month discount with the intention of buying a sim free phone with the £306 I had saved.

Yesterday T-mobile offered me the HTC Touch2 for free and I would still get 'some' discount on the line rental as they were only charging £156.58 for the phone!

Checking devicewire and expansys etc. I can see that the HD2(£530) is about £250 more expensive than the Touch2(£280) so if I give back my monthly discount(£306) and T-mobile charge £406.58 for the HD2 I 'could' be charged about £100 as an upgrade cost on Flex25 with no monthly discount for 18months.

If they try and charge me anything over £200 i'll keep my £306 discount and think about the sim free HD2.....but I'll have to wait a few weeks to find out!
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
No 3D hardware acceleration because of lack of drivers. Is this confirmed? A dead Imageon processor is not what I mean for an high end device...

Benchmarks reports bad graphic performances...

People generally tend to consider only the "snapdragon processor"... But there is more to consider, frankly.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Battery pack at expansys web site
[HD2 General] skotten:
Oh yes, indeed it does! Anyone who has found this very forum and thread are smarter than most of the scientists i know. Well, it's actually not that hard.. since one of them brought an iPhone along in the laser lab and started flashing it around.

First rule of laser club: "you DO NOT talk about laser club", second rule: "Don't bring a portable mirror to a laser lab and start waving it around".
[HD2 General] niknik76:
That is not the one... Look at this video @ 02:38

http://www.t3.com/reviews/phones/mobile-phones/video-and-hands-on-htc-hd2-review
[HD2 General] XRAY MAN:
2 images from my camera :D
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
Ok, I must admit you made my day yesterday when I read the thread about Capacitive vs Resistive screens, but I'd really like it if you refrained from trolling this post as well as I don't want to see it closed as the other one was.

While I agree with some of your points (and disagree with others), the simple fact you don't even seem to understand that people having different opinions than you doesn't make them wrong.

Most of this is subjective and not at all related to facts.

I'm often impressed by the fact that some people are still able to write (though most of the time badly) while displaying a seemingly unlimited stupidity.

In this case though, I believe you're doing this on purpose, due to the fact you don't seem to have any problems writing in proper English, but mostly because I cannot believe anyone can be as thick and close-minded as you are trying to show.

While it can be funny for a short while, the same joke repeated over and over again is getting annoying, especially when it spoils a good discussion on a device many people are waiting for.

So please, stop trolling and either participate in the discussion in a constructive way, or just stop posting in this thread. Thanks.

Anyway, I can't wait to get this phone, it'll make a pretty significant jump from my P3600 (Trinity) :D
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Part Three of the italian review is available. From what I can gather, they rather liked it. Link is below

http://www.translate.google.com/tra...lopalmari-parte-1&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=
[HD2 General] DMAND:
I can imagine that the reason they arnt advertising it more is because the Palm Pre that they must have paid alot for exclusivity is also launching some time soon.

I dont care as long as they have it in stock for me to grab one on day one when it's finally on sale, enough of the teasing already come on O2 :p
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Exactly.

That aside, I'll be trying my local O2 store Saturday to see if they have it in stock currently also. If they're going to have it in next week, they'll have a new customer. Otherwise, I might as well wait for T-Mo directly or indirectly (most likely indirectly - they don't generally have the speediest release cycle) due to a slight preference of being on their network.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
I am aware of this. My current phone is a slider. Most of the time I do not use it. Not everyone is like you (THANKFULLY!!!) Learn this simple fact.

All the games I currently play do not use the d-pad. Media playback controls are on my BT headset. Why would i want to revert to the primitive system of grabbing in my pocket for the phone to control such things? This isn't 1995! My ebook reader scrolls on screen taps. HD2 has a bigger screen - far better reading, and no wasted space spent on buttons. Also I'm not sure you realise this, but the HD2 has a touchscreen - why would I need a d-pad for navigating menus? How terribly quaint that is!

Perhaps your X1 is crap? I can't remember when my TouchPro last froze. Perhaps instead of looking for a way of handling failures you instead look for a (far more sensible) option of removing the failure all together? Also there IS a power button anyway - it doubles up as the call end button.

Again with the failure to comprehend the difference between you and the rest of the world. Thankfully, other people are not like you!!!

Look, if you don't like it, why are you hanging around in a thread dedicated to it? You're like a creationist in a science convention screaming at all the bad men to stop talking about their evil sciency ways.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
Well said mr_ray
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
That review confirms only a single, mono speaker rather than stereo speakers - a teensy bit dissapointing, but I suppose not that big a deal. It also definitely confirms the presence of FM radio, which was doubted at one point.

But I agree, they seem to be pretty impressed with how fast and smooth it all is.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
What on Earth do people use phone stereo speakers for?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Gaming, watching videos, listening to the radio....

I'd actually really like to see a phone with stereo front-facing speakers at the top and bottom so you get stereo sound with the screen in landscape orientation, like a hand-held games console....
[HD2 General] itoYo:
theyd have to be wide apart for your to notice any stereo 'effects'. 5 inches apart isnt enough, i guess theye would have to be more the the distance between your ears for any noticable effect.

having said that two speakers is always better than one! lol
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
Why not just use headphones - they are far superior to inbuilt speakers. And besides, there is nothing more annoying than someone playing games or radio in a public place!!! :P
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
You need to think in terms of angles rather than distances. 5 inches of separation 1 foot from your face is the equivalent of nearly four feet of separation at a distance of 9 feet - and I've seen plenty of TV's with built-in speakers that have less separation than that.

And are you also going to dictate what I can and cannot listen to in the in the privacy of my own home? :rolleyes: Sometimes I actively prefer to be able to hear if my land-line phone rings or if someone knocks at the door. Headphones aren't good for that.
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
Do you not own a radio other than your phone?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Yes, but I can't play Xtrakt on it.
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
mate...classic

imagine if you did!
[HD2 General] wonsanim:
+1 Me Too,Big Time
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
hd2 Will be available Sim free for £499.99 at play.com! http://www.play.com/Mobiles/Mobile/4-/12041710/-/Product.html?source=9316
[HD2 General] endiz:
Would this work on North America 3G networks? More specifically, would it work on the new Telus W-CDMA network?
[HD2 General] manuelcalavera:
ofcourse not ! cuz if so , engadget would burst some titles about it :D
[HD2 General] cozmozs:
It turns out that HTC HD2 showed up in one of my suppliers for 620 EUR and in stock from 15.11.2009.

I already reserved one and can't wait to get my hands on it since i already sold my blackstone.

ps. i'm from Romania.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
noooooooooooo
[HD2 General] cozmozs:
by the way when will the new section for ''leo'' appear in the forum ?
[HD2 General] Eraser85:
I'm waiting too.. :)
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
Just went into my 02 shop again. The same guy yesterday said it would be out next week, and he even demo'd it to me.

Today however, he says it won't be out until the 26th - another week!!! It's because of the Palm Pre launch apparently. Who the hell wants a pre anyway? :(

Ahh well, heres to another week ....
[HD2 General] orelsi:
Read carefully next time. I have repeated in countless posts that people are free to use whatever they want, even the iTards. That doesn't mean that one should deny every device deficiency out there and be a fanboy, just because it's one's phone.

What is more logical, to pay a premium price for a product that has all possible capabilities and options or for a product that lacks half of them?

Those are not preferences, they are facts. Lacking the features I mentioned leads to a bad user experience. You may choose to buy it and be happy with it, it is your money aftter all, but don't say the missing abilities don't matter. They do and their absence will hurt your device and make it less capable than possible.

That is an objective and logical opinion backed up by facts.

Read the story "The Fox and The Grape"......

Don't act like the iTards when they try to justify their device's lack of copy and paste or multitasking.

Insults won't win a debate for you. I can throw insults as well, but I don't, because I got facts...
[HD2 General] turt:
In the Netherlands it's listed at online retailers at around 550 EUR, with stock from 11.11.2009! I have pre-ordered one...
[HD2 General] chris10230:
really where was this! I went to one in bristol and they know nothing of it said 2 weeks at least as the pre is coming out. They also ssaid they find out 2 weeks before it comes out so that they can order some in for us to buy :D so as yet i really do not believe in some ways that there will be any in next week no matter how much i wish this to be true.

Best was they looked on gsm arena to find out the launch dates for it! Now honestly couldnt you call head office or something?!?!? o well patience is a viture i guess yada yada ya...
[HD2 General] pgamble:
Hi guys

at risk of stiring again. My point wasn't whether or not that hardware is better implemented on the HD2 / iPhone or Android device ... or indeed if the UI was better on the iPhone or Android ... this could well be the case ... and if I tried them in anger (which I admit I haven't ... I've just had 10 minute plays on a couple of mates ones) ... my point related to the availability of real desktop class apps.

The WM platform has loads .... it maybe less than perfect to launch them ... and other devices may offer a prettier interface ... or even access to the apps themselves ... but the fact is that there are far more 'real' apps like Softmaker Office, Resco Suites, Inesoft Cash Organiser ... I could go on and on (and you'll probably say I do anyway :-)) .... on WM than the other platforms.

Most people don't need or want these apps ... and that is fine. For those that do ... going on about how good a UI is and how cool a device is .. won't change the fact that as a real enterprise or media tool, they will always be limited by the quality of the s/w catalogue. We don't look at millions of online apps at 1.99 on WM ... that would interest me ... we look at real power apps that genuinely resemble desktop ones - and with a device as big (good or bad depending on your view) ... potentially with my BT keyboard and mouse .... the HD2 is so close to a viable netbook it is untrue ... and it also now genuinely hits the Archos (I have and love my AV5100) squarely in the teeth.

So ... let's just consider this point for now ... not the coolness ... not the potential .... not even the customisation ... not the crappy native apps (which yes ... WM has always had) ... but if you are prepared to spend real money on the type of apps above ... does anyone really believe iPhone or Android are ... or will in the next 12 months genuinely be close ?

There is no looking glass ... I could be wrong ... and this is purely subjective re Android ... it will get take up ... but I can't see it happening in the next year or two to the same level ... As regards iPhone ... it is in an even worse position than Android as the App store has set the precedent for the type of apps and the way the device will be used ... and by not even being able to reference a pdf in a mail item whilst on the phone (i.e. no multi-tasking) ... it is simply no more than a music player phone with a bunch of fun and often not useful utilities at best. For their target audience ... this is fine ...

For the small number of users like me who really want that desktop class s/w catalogue ... we will continue to 'struggle' with the lack of coolness ... I would say however that from all accounts ... it looks like HTC have at last put enough innovation into the HD2 to help in that area as well. It won't be perfect ... but for me (maybe no one else ... but for me) it is by far and away the best compromise.

Paul.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Why are you so incapable of understanding of a difference in needs? Sure, a hardware keyboard can be a FANTASTIC feature, IF you type enough on your device that it makes a difference to you. For someone where that isn't the case, it is a horrible anti-feature adding cost, complexity, size, weight, and a major failure point for zero benefit. Do you understand that?

A few words and phrases for you to look up. "Compromise", "Economics", "Reality", "Product differentiation", "You can't break the laws of physics", "Logic", "Something compact cannot also be large". When you have done that, you may understand why you are asking the impossible.

I notice that you've still not bothered to learn the concept of "not everyone has the same needs (special or otherwise) as you". That would help you so much in understanding why HTC aren't your personal slaves making exactly what odd device you demand.

LMAO. Kind of sums up you up there. You argue like a blind man loudly insisting to a sighted man that a wall in front of him is yellow when it's quite apparent to anyone with working eyes that there isn't even a wall... I'm done with you. You're either challenged in some significant way (is your picture actually of you?) or a deliberate troll. I'll entertain it no longer.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
This phone can't even run GLBenchmark... :rolleyes:

A 600€ phone with an Imageon graphics processor that can't even run a 3D app decently... :eek:
[HD2 General] donnaw:
well said

I like the form factor of the iphone. For me the HD2 is a bit large. But I simply won't put up with the Apple's control. And while there are some interesting Android phones out there you are absolutely correct about the software catalog. I think it will take at least 2 years for Android to mature and get enough apps available to make it viable for me at least.

I actually use my phone for more than an entertainment device. I use it to keep my life in order and I suspect most WinMo users are the same. It's not just the fact that it is so customizable but the fact that there really is an "App for that" - and I'm not just talking about bumping my phone against another to exchange contacts or find a restaurant. There are real-life apps for WinMo. Maybe Android will be there in a couple of years but it's not yet. And I highly doubt the iphone will ever be - to me it's an entertainment thing - nothing wrong with that but it's not what I need.

I live in the US so I'm hoping I can get it unlocked with ATT 3G capabilities but to be honest I don't have 3G now on my WinMo phone and live without it just fine so as long as I can make calls and get Edge I'll be ordering this one. As usual - from overseas. sigh.......
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
The camera is not 8MP but 5. The quality is horrible. While the world speaks about Tegra, ZuneHD and mobile 3D apps, this phone can't even run 3D apps decently because lack of 3D hardware acceleration. If this is "decent" ... :p
[HD2 General] forelli:
Sorry for the shortening of your post, but mine will take some space too :D! It was just to say that I totally agree with you, actually I'm saving money for a HD2. The Blackstone was the only HTC device I wanted to buy because it, IMHO, is better than the Diamond. Unlike my wife, I'm no fan of keyboards+phone like the Rhodium, full touchscreen and very few h/w buttons are perfect for me. Now I have an Omnia II with WM 6.5.0... even my Omnia 1 had 6.5.1. Problem is that the rom developpement on Omnia 2 will take time, I guess too long time, so long that wm 7 will be there before Omnia 2 moves to 6.5.1... I'm so disappointed that I envy my wife now, because I gave her my Blackstone and she's enjoying a 230xx build and I'm suffering the 21856 build of my Omnia 2... Saving mony and sell the Omnia 2= HTC HD2 Leo in my pocket!
[HD2 General] DMAND:
mjordan79 Serriously go troll somewhere else, because no one has benchmarked the HD2 with a shipped final ROM
[HD2 General] Eraser85:
we all know HTC and their driver policy... Frankly I'm gonna get HD2 just because I sold my Blackstone and need a PDA for work / appointments.. other than that what I find bad on this device are:

1) Camera. It still sucks, big times also. It could also be worse than the one on the HD1 according to the shoots taken by Solopalmari.com. Video quality is good, but I fear low fps when in low light.. -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOCwzIIOJ_4#t=0m13s

2) Poor 3D performance according to SPB Benchmarks but, of course, I give the benefit of doubt since using CorePlayer the Snapdragon gives pretty good results. One should do SPMark and GLBenchmark to better understand what's really going on..

3) Snapdragon is nice but Tegra could have been better.

4) Give us AMOLED display and/or larger battery -> 2 days of normal / heavy usage should be possible by the end of 2k9 c'mon

5) f**ing 3.5mm audio jack on the bottom!? wtf?
[HD2 General] sluden:
When i read this subject, i noticed ppl seems to not be so happy about HTC HD2. but are there any other new interesting phones coming from HTC soon?

that will be better than HTC HD2, with soon i mean the next coming months.

btw HTC HD2 will be released in sweden 4th november
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
I beg to differ - there are a few people coming on here to pick a fight, but there are a load of people on here who like the phone and are genuinely excited about it (I'm one). Its not the return of the messiah, but its the best phone to suit certain people at the moment - end of!
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Hi Orelsi, I've read a lot of your posts, and I think you mean well, but you're grating a lot of people the wrong way ;)...

I agree that some of the features missing from the HD2 are problematic, but you've got to take into account that most of the features you mentioned are used solely by certain target groups: D-Pad for gamers, resistive screen for handwriting/accuracy fanatics, keyboard for people obsessed with tactile feedback... for someone who doesn't need a D-Pad because they don't play games or read E-books, and doesn't need a resistive screen because they only want to use their whole finger anyway, and doesn't type a lot, a device like the HD2 is pretty cool.

I think I'm more like you, and that's why I'm leaning towards the Nokia N900 (resistive WVGA screen with stylus, better multitasking, better browser, QWERTY keyboard w/ arrow keys)... but I can still see the appeal that a device like the HD2 has for the masses - a big screen and no buttons is just sort of sexy - it doesn't always have to make sense :)
[HD2 General] sluden:
i like it very much to, have pre ordered one. but it seems that many ppl thinks it aint that good.

thats why i asked if there is any eother upcoming phone that will be better.
[HD2 General] niknik76:
depends on what you want? you're only interested in HTC? (from you earlier post) N920 maybe? Acer Liquid?
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
The only phones on my list of "possibles" are

HD2

Omnia 2

OmniaPro B7610

Nokia N900

Sony Experia 2

I honestly can't put down any Android phones at the moment because they are all lacking hardware or software features that I need. The iPhone didn't suit me and I had one for a few days.

Can anyone think of any others coming in the next 2 months say?
[HD2 General] reocej:
Personally, it's "mostly" everything I wanted in a phone. Big screen, multitouch, sexy and thin, multitasking, snappy processor and 3g for Tmo. Only thing I hate is no support for TV Out. This is actually one feature I used alot on my iPhone(awesome for those short trips in the van with the kids when you forget the dvd's or don't want to fumble with them). I purchased a TP2 but soon discovered that I am not a physical keyboard kind of guy. I'd rather ditch the keys to save some weight as I rarely use them. Also, battery life is probably going to be an issue with this phone, but if it last through the day I'm fine as I tend to charge my phones every night anyway. Honestly though, who goes 2 or 3 days without being near a charging source?
[HD2 General] owz206:
A couple of people over on the O2 forum have been told by O2 c.s. that the handset will be available on Monday.

http://forum.o2.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=163269#163269
[HD2 General] addicus:
Why are people complaining? Oh they have their panties in a bunch. Stop hating just to hate. All I've had is the 8125 and 8525 but if the screen is 4.3 inches I think the software keyboard will be just fine.

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The 3d graphics look great on the HTC Sence animated backgrounds and weather so stop being a whiny little ***** ( no 3D graphics oh my - asswipes). It's a business/media phone not a PSP or Nintendo DS.

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The 3.5 mm is on top because it's suppose to be on the top or bottom of the device and always was since the first Sony Walkman. Once again. Stop tripping hommie.

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The camera doesn't take magazine quality pictures and I'm appaled! No, you are a no life having, world class complainer.If you want top notch pictures and videos get a device made to do that specifically.

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Thi phone has a real processor so we can see how well Windows Mobile really works since it has some power behind it. The videos show a very fast, very smooth UI with multi tasking on a beautiful well done phone. Gotta love it!
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
I spoke to 02 today and they said it won't be out next week as they are working on launching the Palm Pre - they said there will be a seperate launch for the HD2. Sorry to dampen the spirits ... :(