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[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
yes you can but as soon as you flash this rom recovery image and root are gone bye bye.

So there is no point to do that.
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Well, if you reallz want to take the risk you should extract the nbh with qmat.. and just flash the spl and the radio, not the recovery! And then flash the system.img with fastboot (works, because its signed by htc) and the userdata.img and the boot.img, please don't flash the recovery,wouldn't be good..
[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
Can you upload them for me please?

I dont have qmat and i dont want to pay for one time usage.

Thanks
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Oh,i found out that it would be crazy to do this update as a non nbh..

So you have to apply the nbh and hope that oneclickroot works (i think it would work, if not, you have a rogers phone, which isn't bad, i think rogers is a nice rom ;))

i think htc didn't fix the root bug, and even if they did, i think it installs a spl which is ued on the htc magic too, and it is cracked already (i mean the mytouch 3g spl).
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
You're not the smartest one, are you?

No, they BRICK.

Because you don't know the first thing about what the differences actually are.

Just... wow. Those look the same to you? And even if they were, those are just a string of characters, of which you have NO POSSIBLE IDEA about their meanings.... assuming that they even HAVE a meaning. All we know is that sometimes those numbers change.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! You have NO IDEA if the code is in any way *even slightly similar*. Not until you have disassembled and compared them!

And what exactly do you think that this means? There is no evidence AT ALL that pvt/dvt has ANY meaning AT ALL.

That IS THE PROBLEM!!!! You have NO IDEA if the deathSPL will boot with this new IPL! In fact, you don't even know if the deathSPL will boot with the ORIGINAL IPL -- changing out the original IPL was part of the procedure.

This has nothing to do with you being right or wrong... and no, lack of cell reception is NOT the worst that can happen. The worst that can happen is that you will produce a BRICK.

Again, what exactly do you think that pvt means? I can assure you that there is NO KNOWN MEANING and NO KNOWN LINK to whether or not this has any effect on the possibility of bricking.

BRICKING IS CAUSED BY IPL/SPL INCOMPATIBILITY, NOT DVT/PVT.

Rogers dream SHIPPED WITH 1.5!!!! Have you not read anything? Who rooted your phone for you? Obviously you didn't do it yourself since you don't know the first thing about it!

YOU are MOST DEFINITELTY NOT QUALIFIED to be messing with phone firmware. PUT it DOWN and don't mess with it.
[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
Who made YOU qualified to make speaches and be *****y on others?

Stop messing threads, would be better to try out helping others instead of trying to spank them.

Or simply grow up.
[G1 Android Development] natmanz:
I posted a "how to" at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=553670 that explains how you can extract the system and boot images from the nbh file and just update those on your phone. I did that the day before posting, and I've been running them ever since with no issues at all. I was able to keep all of my user data and keep the radio and SPL at the existing versions. At the moment, I think this is the best option for getting the update without losing fastboot or risking a brick.
[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
Thanks natmanz, that's the spirit am talking about.

i dont need boot or system image i just need radio and maybe spl rom from this new rogers can you do it and upload them somewhere?

Thanks in advance, just make sure are correctly extracted so i can flash them without worries.

P.s

If anyone have rogers dream and flashed it, can you tell us what is the version of the latest radio rom and spl please.

Would be very usefull.

Thanks again
[G1 Android Development] dan-htc-touch:
I have a rogers dream, and I started out with this rom already on my phone... It wont boot any of the current kernels on xda, so you are going to have to recompile kernels if you want this upgrade, the haykuru spl will boot fine with this radio, as I was able to swap to his spl, then I downgraded my radio as well to be compatible with roms out there. as far as root goes, I was able to get SU working on the stock rom the good ole fasioned way... adb.

all in all, wait for your favorite cook to integrate the new kernel into his roms and then when he requires the radio upgrade, do it then. Unless you cook up your own roms and kernels, then have at er.
[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
dan-htc-touch: Thanks for reporting.

What is the current radio version on this?

And you said downgraded radio, why you did that?

You had problems with reception,battery,roms?

Thanks.
[G1 Android Development] :
It is not wise to run you mouth off when you are incorrect, but maxisma and ibcoder have more exp than you and they are staying on the side of caution, there is obviously more to it than you think if you are asking about the radio, it's about the capabilities of the rom being able to use it, just like windows needing drivers
[G1 Android Development] Bavilo:
Jesus christ. If he wants to flash it, then let him. Someone is going to do it sooner or later.
[G1 Android Development] Honestly77:
Your not going to help anyone by flashing. Especially by bricking your expensive device. They can look into the code and see if things will work. The only way you can help is to stop posting in the wrong forum. This goes in q&a. This has nothing to do with any kind of new breakthrough. I understand the eagerness to help but it isnt necessary. You dont know much. The rogers radio version could be different because its a canadian phone. You dont know if its any different from the current. Listen to people who cook and actually know how to do something useful. If its important the right people already know. Please dont be bold and destroy your awesome phone. Curiousity killed the cat or in this case your g1.
[G1 Android Development] HTCinToronto:
Just a little peep, my rooted Rogers displays the following in HBOOT-mode (<- that right?)

DREAM PVT 32 B ENG S-OFF

HBOOT-1.33.2005 (DREA21000)

CPLD-4

RADIO-2.2.19.26I

At first I was wondering if this screen is just after the IPL (assuming that means init. prog. loader), but I guess the radio reference means its further into the boot. Is this screen pre-SPL?

edit: just re-ran across note that this is the SPL screen
[G1 Android Development] senaia:
Just a quick note, I spoke breifly with haykuro yesterday, he said he's not looked into the new radio, but judging from the version, it probably won't work with his spl, but as he's not looked into it he can't be sure. Flash at your own risk, make sure you have tmo tech support on speed dial if you want to try it
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
I *AM* trying to help. You and others like you who don't understand what you are doing are bound to screw up and then whine about it.

What makes me qualified to make speEches? How about several degrees in electrical and computer engineering and the likes? THAT makes me qualified.
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Demetris, you are acting like an idiot.
[G1 Android Development] Bedeadu:
New Radio on Rogers Hardware Dream....

First off, Demetris_I, I really hope you get your hands on the new Rogers Radio and flash, for the sake of this thread and all those trying to give you advice. Because once you brick your G1, you will stop posting on this thread, and will only be annoying those reading the "bricked G1" threads.

With that said...I actually use a Rogers Version Dream. I really don't want to revert back to stock and install this new update. But curious if anyone else has, or has any idea if this new radio would actually better my phone, meaning better reception, maybe faster data speeds?

Edit: Ok, Demetris_I I just realized you were the one to originally post this thread, so I guess I was wrong to say you are messing it up and I thank you for making me aware of this new radio. But, that still doesn't change my point of view, I still hope you flash your phone and brick it, considering the nonsense you are writing.
[G1 Android Development] kb7sqi:
Bedeadu,

I don't have the Rogers Dream, but when the update was released, Charrion did risk his Dream and installed the update. He also provided the system dump so others like Soulife & I could use the update to provide an update to the Rogers builds for the G1. I'm not sure if the Radio Update makes a difference, but the update does provides quite a few improvements to the original builds. I originally used the updates from the HTC Magic for my updates to Virtudude's V3 mod. Same improvements, but things like LED notification, etc were missing on the G1. I personally prefer the Rogers/HTC builds compared to the regular T-Mobile builds. It might be a little slower compared to those builds or a Cyanogen build, but I can say my latest build been extremely stable & runs well.
[G1 Android Development] Bedeadu:
Thanks kb7sqi for the feedback. I have actually been following the posts between the two of you, and was aware of Charrion doing the update (even after I had tried to convince him not to, because of the risk involved). I was debating trying out your ROM, I am using Cyans most recent experimental build right now, and find it hard to be convinced to change. I might try yours out just for kicks though. My issue is I live in a basement, where my reception is horrible, I used to have a crappy Moto V9, which somehow gave me perfect reception in my basement. So I guess I was questioning if this new radio might be able to give me some type of boost. I really just don't want to take the risk in doing the update to test the new radio, unless I am told and convinced it would better my reception.
[G1 Android Development] kb7sqi:
Hey Bedeadu,

Well, I never wanted him to brick his phone or completely loose his root either. ;) I was thankful he provided me w/ the system dump though.:D I've said it before & I'll say it again. I've never claimed to be a developer, but I have spent a great deal of time going thru the different builds for the HTC Magic & the different Rogers builds. I think my build accomplishes what I wanted it to. An updated version of Virtudude's build. I know Cyanogen's builds are way faster, have for features, etc. He's a great developer! I wish you luck w/ the reception. I used a T-Mobile Sidekick prior to moving over to the G1. For me, the reception is 100% better. So, I couldn't be happier. Take care.
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
If anybody is interested in a (nearly) foolproof test here...

Firstoff: I *only* advocate trying this on hardware that has been stamped "Rogers"....

Starting with ORIGINAL IPL AND SPL... root the thing using the ORIGINAL root method, i.e. the one that does NOT change the IPL/SPL/kernel.

With root, you can install a rooted recovery image.

Now install updated IPL/SPL/system image.

From rooted recovery image, you can do what you like.

At this point, you will have a rooted phone with latest IPL/SPL. You can install custom system images using kernels compiled with the recently released HTC kernel source.

Note: If you have already installed the deathspl, then your partitioning has been messed up, which means that you can't simply install the updated IPL/SPL -- you would have to reinstall the whole thing, which means loosing root, and of course, it remains to be seen what the process of rooting this latest update would be.

Anybody regretting installing deathSPL yet?
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
I need help with this! PLEASE

So my little brother, who has been somewhat of a tech junkie the last few months, has really enjoyed teaching himself how to install new ROMs and all that to his phone. well today, he decided to use my G1 while I was sleeping, and install this new Rogers ROM with the new radio. I have a US Tmobile G1. and now ummm, I have no data service anymore. I have been unsuccessful at getting back to my previous state before he did this to my phone. Everytime I try to install the DREAIMG.nbh file in bootloader, it tells me the main version is older and says update fail.

and i am also unable to install any update.zip from my sdcard. it keeps telling me

E: can't mount /dev/block/mmcblk0p2 (no such file or directory)

E: can't mount SDCARD: update.zip

Please help! I don't know what to do! I need to get my G1 back to working order. I can't send/receive texts. i can't use browser. there is just no data service at all. and I don't want a Rogers phone. when it boots up, the first screen says ROGERS. I want my Tmobile G1 screen back! HELP ME
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Does it have signal bars?

If yes you just have to set the T-mobile APN.
[G1 Android Development] Bedeadu:
I am sure you are not in the mood for humour, but would your little brother use the handle "Demetris_I" ?

Seriously though, hopefully some others can help you out, I am sorry you are in this situation.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
yes it has signal bars. ive tested out being able to make phone calls, and i can do that. there is just no data service to send texts, or use the browser, or anything of that sort.

how do i reset the tmobile apn?

and if i do that, will that fix my sdcard problem? i want to get rid of this rogers rom. and it seems like it wont allow me to.
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Google is your friend.

Use 1 Click Root to get back to normal root.
[G1 Android Development] Bedeadu:
lbcoder,

Thanks for the suggestion, although I must say even though I used the "death SPL" originally, I don't have regrets. It would have meant waiting too long before I would have been to use a custom ROM. My stock Rogers Dream was so slow, I couldn't even answer a call half the time. At the same time, it would be nice to have the ability to try out this update from HTC/Rogers.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
thank you so much maxisma. i got the apn set and i have data service now. gonna try 1 click root and see if i can get this back to norm.

thank you again. i know how it must be with noobs. thank you for your time and input. really appreciate it!
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
No problem ;) I apperciate that you haven't opened a new thread for this but looked if such a thread already does exist :)
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
so. i downloaded the 1 click root, and ran it. flashed cyanogen recovery image. turned off my phone and tried to turn it on in recovery. but it is now stuck on the first screen. the one that normally says Tmobile G1...but mine says Rogers. i took out the battery, and that didn't do anything. I'm so mad at my brother. ughhh. did my phone brick??
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Try Haykuros Root for Rogers.

If it fails, you should talk with your browser, and if you are still >18 you should tell your parents your brother flashed your phone :O
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
yeah i can't get into recovery anymore. awesome. ughhh. probably gonna have to call up tmobile and talk to them. see what can be done.
[G1 Android Development] maxisma:
Not a good idea. First look into the rogers here is your real root thread and try to root your phone with that tutorial.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
i looked into that thread. it calls for fastboot to be used. i can get into fastboot but can't type in any commands. i can't figure that out. and i can't get into recovery at all anymore.
[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
So was i right after all this flamming?

Radio IS compatible with HTC G1.

Now all it remains is to find out if it is also compatible with Haykuro spl.

Thank your brother for me and am sorry for all troubles caused to your phone.

Cant you put g1 DREAIMG.nbh on sd-card and reflash stock g1 by pressing camera+power? And re-root and flash back as you where before.

Or rogers removed that fuctionality and you need windows to update phone.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
yeah, my phone is working just fine with this installed on it. i just don't want it. and am unable to go back to anything else. i tried putting DREAIMG.nbh on my sdcard and reflash to stock by pressing camera+power...but it says Update Fail - Main version is older (whatever that means)

so as of right now, i can't figure out for the life of me how to get this off my phone and get me back to my cyanogen rom. I need help BAD! how do i use windows to update my phone?
[G1 Android Development] Demetris:
Please look into where the files are extracted from rogers firmware.

Find inside unzipped folder the utility to flash back and the rogers rom also.

Before you install the new ROM update on the device, be sure to install the HTC Sync software.

On your computer, run the ROM Update Utility (RUU) to install the ROM software update to your device. The next section provides a detailed procedure on how to install the ROM software update.

http://www.htc.com/uploadedFiles/CA...Dream_RUU_Installation_Instructions_final.pdf

You need ruu like win mobile device updater and a rom that can be flashed by that utility. But am afraid you will need a patched ruu to leave the process begin without checking vendor specific.

Btw what is your radio and spl version?

Can you please post this to us?

Thanks
[G1 Android Development] im.l0ltn:
Just curious but you're not using the original microSD card are you ? If not then try it again but with the original card. For some reason my phone couldn't read the nbh on my 8gb adata but it worked perfectly on my stock 1gb transcend. Good luck.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
wow, um im sorry. but that is way over my head. i don't know what i need to do to get this damn rogers crap off my phone.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
thanks. i've already tried it with 3 different sdcards actually. none of them have worked for me. this Rogers ROM is pissing me off.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
so this is what it says in my about phone section

Model Number:

HTC Dream (used to say T-mobile G1! I want that back!)

Firmware Version:

1.5

Baseband Version:

62.52S.20.18U_3.22.20.17 (I want this radio back 2.22.19.26I)

Kernel Version:

2.6.27-9af60ed4

u70000@Android-X01 )

Build Number:

1.86.631.1 146733 CL#42949 release-keys

I want to get the G1 back to stock. To just start completely over. I don't want this Rogers ROM on my US G1! But it won't let me flash the .nbh file DREAIMG. It starts, and does a little bit, but then it says "Main Version older!" - Update Fail!

Is there something I can do to get back to stock? I can't even get my phone back into recovery.
[G1 Android Development] springah:
why? rogers rules.
[G1 Android Development] im.l0ltn:
I'm going to PM you my email so I can try to help you without turning this thread into a support thread.
[G1 Android Development] :
you are a moron....how is the radio working if he has no data service or texts? just cause it turns on doesnt mean it is not bricked. do you have any background in firmware operation and/or programming? just cause the NEW radio has a "higher sequential" number doesnt mean its the same as old with a few improvements. it could be like coder said a completely different code with different parameters. On top of that its almost guaranteed that it wont be compatible with the rest of the files on here since it hasn't been reverse engineered yet. So please be quiet if you have no clue and just like to regurgitate info you don't understand
[G1 Android Development] springah:
well yeah, if it turns on it isnt bricked.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
the radio is working. i do have data service and texts are possible now. all i had to do to get the data service going was set the T-mobile APN in my settings.

My only problem now is getting this damn radio and rogers rom OFF of my phone and going back to my old stuff. ughhhh. it isnt working!
[G1 Android Development] :
well you were lucky that it does , but demetris is still talking through his butt please avoid listening to people who assume an acronym means something its not and listen to members who actually develop for this site and have experience/ i myself will ask several questions to a senior experienced member just to be e sure instead of a douche who assumes that all future releases of command files for the android will be just updates of the old files with no significant changes AND who can't spell "speeches" properly (Google Chrome has a great spell-checker)
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
Where are you trying to type in commands? Not on the phone I hope....

You need to put the phone into fastboot mode and run the fastboot commands ON YOUR COMPUTER. The fastboot executables are available here: http://developer.htc.com/adp.html

What you need to do is write the ENGINEERING BOOTLOADER and the 2_22_19_26I radio image to the device.

I believe that the FIRST to write is the bootloader, and this is done from recovery mode as an update.zip file.

Now here is the thing... you have written cyanogen's recovery image, which has a kernel that is entirely incompatible with the SPL you currently have installed, which is why it won't boot into recovery mode. What you need to do is use a rooted recovery image that is compatible with rogers SPL... that can be found HERE: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4280573#post4280573

Note: I do NOT recommend using deathspl. Please use ENGINEERING spl.

Note2: You do NOT need to write the recovery image to the device in order to boot on it... just use fastboot to boot the image.

Once you have the correct IPL and SPL installed to the device, you can write whatever system image to it that you prefer.
[G1 Android Development] kurtis.austin2:
Hey thank you so much for this information. i am trying to do what you are telling me to, but don't have the slightest clue where to start. you said first i need to write the bootloader...ok, how do i do that?
[G1 Android Development] lbcoder:
The instructions are in the bootloader (SPL) thread. Just look up and down in this forum, its within the first few pages.
[G1 Android Development] raversnet:
Way to not apologize for being insulting in your post and THEN being wrong to boot. You completely failed to read the thread to 1) realize that the radio is indeed working and it was just the APN that needed setup. And 2) failing to realize that if the phone is booting it most certainly is NOT bricked. (which tells me YOU are the noob who doesnt even understand the term 'bricked')

I cant believe where this thread has gone when all manners are thrown out the window. This is a site where people come to tweak and learn. Some are smarter than others. But that doesnt give anyone a right to silence someone because they want to push their limits. Sure they could read and read and read and even STILL screw up their phone. SO WHAT? Its their phone and thats just how people learn.

You can offer advice and hopefully they take it and weigh their options. Thats it. But for the love of GOD be an adult when you do it. We are not 5 years old calling each other stupid. This forum has alot of good in it. Dont **** it up for those of us who come here to learn about our current hobby.

Rob

PS: Has anyone figured out how to get 3g on my Tmo G1 yet? At last look it was the same chip and different firmware. I almost thought thats where this thread was heading. Im on rogers
[G1 Android Development] :
yeah well they could learn first AND THEN tell people what not to do not "HEY EVERYONE DO THIS NOW". Second who you calling a noob, you don't know me you have no idea what i do. so keep your comments to yourself 1 post wonder.
[G1 Android Development] Geniusdog254:
Well put. And no you can't get AT&T or Rogers 3G on a T-Mo G1. Even though they both use the Qualcomm MSM7200a baseband chip the radio crystals are different. Rogers & AT&T use the 850/1900 MHz bands for 3G where T-Mo uses 1700/2100 MHz. It can't be done, give up & buy a real Rogers Dream like I did lol.
[General Questions and Answers] vorob:
Please delete. wrong place