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[HD2 General] owz206:
There seems to be a lot of conflicting reports from O2,I dont think any of their staff now what their talking about.

They seem to have some sort of limited exclusivity with the Hd2 but are not advertising it in any form, I know the palm pre will do big buisness for them, but surely the Hd2 would also be a big seller.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I heard the same thing when I went into my local O2 store. However, my friend phoned O2 and was told the 19th, so I don't know what's going on...

Surprisingly, a larger proportion of O2's customers are interested in a Pre than were interested in the original iPhone. I really don't know why.
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
I'll be at my 02 on Monday 9am to see if it's out. I'll report back as soon as I know anything.

I can't believe the Pre has such appeal. It's already months old and offers nothing exciting. I guess the media/advertising hype that we saw with the iPhoney again.

Hurry and release the HD2 - it's so much better than anything else on offer, and I can't wait any longer to start developing!
[HD2 General] owz206:
I think O2 will get a load of new customers when they announce the HD2, I know i'll be leaving orange, I cant understand the appeal for the palm pre myself.
[HD2 General] prank1:
As soon as the HD2 comes out I'm going to be stalking eBay 24/7 looking for 'HTC HD2 unwanted O2 upgrades' ;) I cannot wait for the generic one to be released 11th November.... too long! lol
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
I have just obtained my PAC code from Orange to join 02 as soon as this phone is out :D

Ditch the Pre, bring the HD2!!!
[HD2 General] reocej:
I said the same thing! The only thing appealing about it is the OS! The hardware is puke!
[HD2 General] orelsi:
I know that truth hurts, but you have to learn how to handle it better than that.......rofl....

Totally agreed. I just don't like when people refuse to admit the facts, because of some dubious device related loyalty. Lacking a d-pad, for example, gives you less capabilities. As simple as that.

Now, about a more pleasant topic lol.

I have been using WinMo and Symbian for many years, but I'm looking to get something different soon. My next device will be WinMo for sure, but it will be a long time before I get one, because nothing currently on the market answers my requirements.

I was thinking of getting an Android device to pass that time, but after trying several phones, I can safely say that, I don't like the Android OS at the moment.

The N900 seems the best candidate :). I'll wait a couple of months to see if a hint of a TP3 or Leo Pro emerges. If it doesn't, I'm getting the N900.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
I don't understand why you would consider Xperia X2. It's basically the same old hardware as X1 and HTC's phones for the past 2 years. The only real improvements are the camera, a bigger screen, and oh, an accelerometer, which honestly has been standard on pretty much every smartphone the last years.
[HD2 General] Eraser85:
I'm no whiny little ***** nor your homie. I'm just a guy who wants things to be done right.

First. I read that this Qualcomm Snapdragon CPU integrates an AMD Z430 GPU, which is derived from the Xenos project (the GPU used in the xbox360 fyi). Therefore I pretend the GPU NOT to be underused like it was on the MSM7xxx. Anyway I have exactly stated "I give the benefit of doubt" you yankee.

Second. The camera should be AT LEAST as good as the one on the HD1. There's no point in making a worse one! If I want to take some good pictures I can always use my reflex camera but that's beside the point: put a decent camera so I can enjoy taking photos of myself having a life.. maybe you are the one who doesn't have a life -> no life = no pictures to be taken while walking the street or when you think you won't need a camera and then happens something and you are like "damn why didn't I took the camera with me!"
[HD2 General] ilordvader:
Where r u in UK or US ?

Im in US & want one real bad :p

but dont want to pay $900

& latter find out after a month

A US version phone is out :(

How can we know ?

or any unlocked phone will work fine on US network ?

Im not worried about US carriers coming out with this phone

wont wait that long

just wanta US warranty tho

Anyone can recomend some sites that are safe to buy from ?

Thanks all :)
[HD2 General] audscott:
Rumor has it T-MO US will pick the HD2 up 1st Qtr 10......I'm not sure I want to wait that long, but given my HD is a great phone, I'll prolly hang in until the end of Jan to see if it becomes reality.

The disappointment: T-Mo has the worst signal (customer service is good though)....I should know after 7 years with them, but happenstance keeps me a customer.....and will again with the HD2. The good news: I'll finally have 3G.

These unlocked GSM phones will work fine at edge speeds in the US. Do not think for a minute an unlocked GSM will function at 3G...it absolutely will not happen.

A couple of descent places to get imported phones: Overseas electronics (where I bought my HD) and expansys US

You can find a bunch of others, but be sure to check them out thoroughly before ordering.
[HD2 General] kersh:
The first time I see the HD2 I thought GOD!! This is my next device, It is pretty awesome.

I compare it with my blackstone, and 1ghz snapdragon, capacitive, 4.3", and I preordered one.

Now, weeks later, I am thinking seriously about to cancel my preorder.

- HTC is ****ing again with us with the graphic drivers, ****ty performance and no 3D

- The camera its simply a disaster, not even close to a 10$ webcam or other phones like N82 from 3 years ago.

- No dedicated button to power on/off fast

- The capacitive screen seems to not be so good according to the reviews, and if it fails a lot when you go out of the HTC menu system to the WM panel control, how it works with the apps? I think that will be another disaster.

Well, I think that today I am not going to cancel the preorder, but from here to the release on 11 Nov, if all goes to the same way, I doubt that I finally buy it. HTC is making a lot of mistakes, and I dont know if at this price with the politic of no updates on software and always making mistakes on hardware an drivers they deserve to survive like the "best" company of phones.
[HD2 General] donnaw:
These unlocked GSM phones will work fine at edge speeds in the US. Do not think for a minute an unlocked GSM will function at 3G...it absolutely will not happen.

A couple of descent places to get imported phones: Overseas electronics (where I bought my HD) and expansys US

You can find a bunch of others, but be sure to check them out thoroughly before ordering.[/QUOTE]

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I'm curious about your statement that an unlocked GSM will not function on a US 3G. If the phone has the correct specs it should function - locked or not. Of course any phone with T-mo specs then ATT folks would be out of luck. But if T-mo USA gets the phone and you purchase one unlocked it should still function on their 3G. Correct?
[HD2 General] audscott:
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I'm curious about your statement that an unlocked GSM will not function on a US 3G. If the phone has the correct specs it should function - locked or not. Of course any phone with T-mo specs then ATT folks would be out of luck. But if T-mo USA gets the phone and you purchase one unlocked it should still function on their 3G. Correct?[/QUOTE]

That's just it....neither the Asian or European radio frequencies function 3G in the US. The easiest way to confirm is to search the HD (Blackstone) forum. You see the closest to 3G are the phones from Australia (T8285), but only with ATT & spotty at best. I think you'll find the radio frequencies the same on the HD2 as the HD.
[HD2 General] audscott:
I have nothing to say about any of the posts, only that I love your avatar. :D
[HD2 General] gsvnet:
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I'm curious about your statement that an unlocked GSM will not function on a US 3G. If the phone has the correct specs it should function - locked or not. Of course any phone with T-mo specs then ATT folks would be out of luck. But if T-mo USA gets the phone and you purchase one unlocked it should still function on their 3G. Correct?[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's correct...but if you purchase a phone designed for the European market then you will more than likely not be able to get 3G in the US.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
Dude, calm down and don't speak with me like that.

3D drivers are not things one can write in 15 days, so it doesn't require a genius to understand HD2 won't have an hardware accelerated stack.

Plus, remember I always express my opinion on a product that doesn't satisfy me. Don't accuse me of trolling while you're a fanboy.
[HD2 General] mjordan79:
You're wrong. No one is picking a fight. Just discussing things that people don't like doesn't mean trolling or "picking a fight".

I have expressed dissatisfaction for the lack of hardware acceleration and I have been labeled as a "troll". Tell me if this is the way to stay on a forum.
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
I can't recall seeing any review where they complained about the screen. What reviews are you talking about?
[HD2 General] why_999:
Well thats a good point kersh makes, I haven't seen at review out there that goes into WM6.5 without using TF3D... now I'm curious... but still will but one.
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
I'd take one if it had flash/windows media player. (for remote viewing of certain webcam appplications)(Logitec-Wilife)
[HD2 General] Sc4Freak:
It'd be difficult to say the least. Capacitive screens aren't well adapted for WM's default tiny button and menu controls. That, and the device doesn't come with a stylus, means that without TouchFLO, the device would be near-useless.

It also means that many applications which aren't specifically designed for finger-friendliness will be very difficult to use unless you purchase a stylus that works on capacitive screens.
[HD2 General] donnaw:
Yes, that's correct...but if you purchase a phone designed for the European market then you will more than likely not be able to get 3G in the US.[/QUOTE]

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I guess my point was that just because a phone is unlocked does not preclude it from functioning on US 3G. The frequency specs determine whether it will or not.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
There was one video where they used Windows Media Player, and hit the "back" button there very quickly several times. It's actually quite small and is located in a corner, which causes trouble sometimes on resistive screens.

Before anyone actually confirms otherwise on a real device, all the talk about impossibility of using standard WM interface on capacitive screens is nothing but FUD.
[HD2 General] kersh:
solopalmari talks about the problems with the capacitive out of the sense and he doesnt like at all the screen.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Here's a video where standard WM interface is used with no problems whatsoever.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It's difficult to understand what they actually say there in translation, but as far as I recall, they say that outside Manila it's not finger-friendly and therefore difficult to use. They don't say that it's more difficult than with resistive screens, do they?
[HD2 General] kersh:
Well, thats semitrue, they said that it is difficult without a stylus, so maybe the reviewer dont have thumbs and he cant handdle that menus with the fingers, but I doubt it a lot.

ffs, it is a 4.3" screen, I can't believe that I handle all the blackstone without stylus (I lost all of them and finally I decide to not buy more) and perfectly without problems too, and this guy have problems with a bigger screen.

In other side, its fair that and we can hope that O2 launches the device soon and before my xpansys order its shipped to know if this problems are reals. I will like to see some app like pocket informant running here.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Well, I've heard a lot that WM is difficult to handle without a stylus, and I haven't been using one even on 2.8" devices, let alone Touch HD. In any case there's no confirmation that a capacitive screen makes it any more difficult.

Switching from resistive to capacitive takes some adjustment - I find it a bit tricky to use the iPhone at first, as I'm used to pressing vs. touching - somehow my movements are a bit different, and I miss buttons when I type at first. I quickly get used to it though.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Excuse me? Why on earth would you think that I aimed that particularly at you. Also look at the last page or two and tell there are not people having more than a "debate" on here. Thirdly how dare you insinuate that I should be banned from here where all I have done is mediate on this forum as best I can, and god forbid, talkied about the HD2?
[HD2 General] kersh:
Well, that video is not fair at all.

They only try ONE menu and on that menu the elements are far far from the others. And they dont try any other tiny button.

I want to see that in real tiny elements of the apps
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Like what? The Settings-Personal-Home-Items is a pretty standard WM screen. Where you might get problems is stuff like Pocket Informant, but it's long asking for an interface upgrade.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Please please please can there be a dedicated forum for the HD2 - it would stop a lot of misunderstanding occurring I think
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Tekzilla hands on video:

(starts @ 29:00)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbZwURt7Gy0
[HD2 General] Sc4Freak:
The problem is that you can use any standard stylus with a resistive screen - but you need a special capacitive stylus which are far rarer.

So when it comes to navigating a stylus-based UI like the default WM skin, yes, using a capacitive screen is a disadvantage.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I can but I never do.
[HD2 General] kersh:
Yes, but the problem is when pocket informant become a simple sample of

pocket informant,

mysportraining

tomeraider

lexisgoo

word

etc etc

There are very few programs with new interfaces, and the most are old school style, and do you really think that the companies are going to change their programs only for a new single device? I doubt it.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
I can't remember the last time I used the stylus on my HD, and have obviously never used one on my iphone.

I'm curious with people attitudes though...you don't like the screen? dont buy the phone!!!...whining about it isn't going to change anything.
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
We all need to remember that WM 6.5.1 is just around the corner.

What this update will do is simple, it literally increases the size of all original (unskinned) WM 6.5 elements. I'm currently helping to develop it and believe me, it doeesn't look shiny or pretty, but it does exactly what it was meant to do. Small buttons (such as 'OK' etc) are a bit bigger making it more finger friendly.

Problem solved :) so don't worry about sytlus's.

EDIT:: I still use my HTC Trinity with WM 5.1 without a stylus - thats relatively tiny compared to 4.3" :D
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
My biggest problem with lack of dedicated camera button is not about having a button to get to the camera app. I want a dedicated button for taking the picture. Having to do it by pressing the screen is unnatural, and it is more difficult to keep it steady while taking the picture. Taking pictures without a shutter button just makes the whole process more messy resulting in a lower average picture quality.
[HD2 General] Mithrandir007:
It seems you're still confused between facts and personal opinion.

What you consider a flaw could very well be an advantage for someone else (for example, the hardware keyboard).

Consider this : Someone is looking for a phone with which he is able to call someone, view pictures and movies, and listen to mp3 + fm radio.

At what point exactly will he feel like the user experience is bad because the phone lacks a front-faced camera? or because he cannot use a standard stylus?

You really need to try to understand that not everyone has the same needs as you do.

I personally consider a hardware keyboard as a flaw because it makes the device too bulky and I never use it anyway.

Are you starting to understand what I mean?

Could you give me an example of what you consider to be a perfect device? I bet there will be things on it which I consider flaws or missing features myself.
[HD2 General] owz206:
Im with you here mate, each to their own. I too personally cant stand a hardware keyboard and have never used a front facing camera in my life, therefore the Hd2 is the perfect phone for me.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
+1 and ditto etc.
[HD2 General] Tomo1340:
All the divices I have had have had a slide out keyboard except the ipaq 6515 which had a sort of blackberryesque style on board jobbie, before that I only had ipaqs that wern't phones too.

I was going to say it's a must for me but having seen my igeek friends and my blackberry storm brother happily tapping away I may just be converted. Infact I like my wifes blackberry curve and I like my other brothers bold too so I suppose I am hanging on to the slide out keyboard because I am afraid of change.

What with tomtom now on iphone I am very torn between an iphone and the HD2. I would have to buy a new mount for either device but I should have no problem trasferring my tomtom to HD2 whereas I would have to buy it again for iphone.

As for the front facing camera I have only ever used it to take pic of me with my children in my arms, I've made 2 video calls and that was to my brother when we both had the Kaiser and we were stood 10 feet apart in a queue to get in to see a concert. We did it to test is as neither of us live in a 3g area and I can't guarentee that anyone I would want to call would be in a 3g area even if I was. So I would be happy to lose that too.

I do write a lot of word docs on my Raphael though so I would need to see how this would affect me with no hard keyboard. I might pop down to an o2 shop later and have a look at an iphone and see how it fits in my hand. I guess the HD2 is only marginally bigger.
[HD2 General] niknik76:
I think it's great that we finally get a wm phone with cap. screen! So what if the OS is not there completely yet!? It's not the screens fault.. HTC push things forward with this decision. What should they do -wait for micro$oft..?? Wait for wm7?? What if wm7 is not that great at all. Anyway this is what a lot of people have been looking forward to. And so what if some programs or deep menus will not be AMAZING with this screen tech. The screen looks amazing to me anyhow

I'm curious to hear why some people complain about the lack of dedicated power button? Can someone tell me :)

-as addicus says, it's just a dual action button
[HD2 General] Baccchus:
FYI don't bother queuing up on Monday (UK customers), I emailed HTC Europe and received this response on 14th:
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
There is no consistent information coming out of O2. I phoned them this morning and I was told it was up for release next week sometime (no specific day) but to check on Monday. So when it will be is anyones guess at the moment.
[HD2 General] owz206:
I just spoke to O2 and they told me they have no idea when it will be in and that I should check their website, when it's on there it will be available.

They then tried palming me off with a palm pre :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] chris10230:
its not coming till the release dates said on expansys clove etc. Honestly why would htc launch it on a carrier before the general public; o2 are quoting dates they find on the internet or what other people have told them. No one knows the real answer they are all talking s*** really. Wait and then we will have a date but its going to be november and they jumped the gun putting pics in the october brochure.

Thats my way i see this going at least.

This is why o2 always annoys me but they keep me staying by the phones they get and also i really do not want to move to t-mob - uk... Too many stories and them being bought out by orange.
[HD2 General] owz206:
A lot of phones get released on carriers before a sim free release, maybe O2 have a limited exclusivity deal with Htc.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Personally I think (hope) they release before Clove etc. Seeing as how members on this forum have been demoed the HD2 in-store already makes me think they are going to have exclusive on it for a while. Its not like limited exclusives have not happened before, and there's a load of people been told that its going to be released soon, but just waiting for the latest rom.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
The power button isn't a huge deal for me, but little things like that can be annoying at times. I use the power button on my Diamond more than any other button (never use the windows or back buttons, rarely use the volume rocker). Occasionally it doesnt seem to go off on first press and I find that annoying as I am trying to get it switched off and back into my pocket as quickly as I can.

Usually I wouldn't mind the 3 sec delay or whatever, but sometimes you are under pressure (and already a bit angry) and these delays can really wind you up!

Hopefully it will be possible to map the windows or back button to the power off funtion? Ideally the phone would switch off on the first press of the hang-up button unless you are connected on a call, in which case it just hangs up.
[HD2 General] bhogal:
I went into my local O2 store, and the friendly sales staff, gave me a definite answer.

The HD2 will be available in store to buy on the 30th of this month, and they reasoned this by saying that O2 was going to concentrate on the pre for a couple of weeks, but also saying that the HD2 will definitely be available in store on the 30th, as that was the latest day they could do it as it had apperead in the october catalogue....

On the Palm pre, I tried it out and boy is it laggy, every command seems to take a second or two to be executed i.e. I clicked on mail and after two seconds the mail application showed it self, as was the case with all other apps on the pre.

Compared to the HD2 and even the iphone it seems way behind in responsiveness, although the sales staff tried to convince me to go for it rather than wait for the HD2 LOL, never in a million years.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Hmm, you do have a point to an extent. The Acer F1 is an amazing phone and it is probably the closest thing to the HTC Leo right now. However, despite this, I still feel that there is a large difference between them, and the Acer F1's price-range will not give a good indication of what the Leo's price will be.

To begin, lets get the obvious out of the way, the Leo's screen is 0.5in bigger than the F1's screen. Doesn't seem like much on paper, but it's a pretty huge deal when in usage. Adding to the mix is that the F1's screen is resistive while the Leo has the more expensive capacitive. Secondly, you listed the camera and the RAM as comparable, but I feel this isn't so. As I listed in my original post, the Leo's camera contains dual LEDs for flash and a 8MP camera (vs the F1's single LED flash and 5MP), and it has 64MB more RAM, which is a huge difference.

It seems to me that these things alone should make the Leo's price a guessing game. For all we know, it could cost about $100-$200 more than the Acer F1, or it could match the bank breaking price of the Xperia X2.
[HD2 General] PowerupMobile:
Going back to the original posters comments about this being the first decent HTC phone for a long time, I think all the phone companies need to bring out new phones every month to keep sales flowing.

We notice at PowerupMobile that phones tend to have a popularity span of about 1-2 months. When a new phone comes out there is usually an initial surge in orders which gradually dies down after a month. Then something new needs to come along to keep sales volumes up.

I am sure HTC is the same and need to release a new phone every 1-2 months so a lot of the releases will just have minor tweaks and styling modifications. Every now and again though there are more noticable leaps forward.

The HTC Leo looks like it has some pretty awesome new features and I am sure it is going to be a huge seller. I know that I am saving up for one.