yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
New Google Map 3.3

I just tried the new google maps 3.3 and I thought I would share it. I got a lock in less than 5 sec. It has some new features. Enjoy
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
New BING App 5.0.1

Here is the newest version of Bing. Looks great.

Just sharing these cab because they are are cooked in and I use them often:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
Opera 10 beta 2

For anyone that did like Opera 10 here is an XDA thread that has the link and information for the new Opera 10 Beta 2

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=486502

I used it all day today and it is faster in my eyes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
day late and a dollar short I guess.

Well here I was all set to post a nice long review of 28005 after using it on this business trip of 4 days and I find out NRG has posted 28008. :eek::D

So rather than bore you all with a now obsolete review I will just post this one nugget of information. 28005 ran like a champion for 3 days and about 10 hours then it went completely to sh*t. The phone would ring, pull it from my pocket and nothing on the screen, still ringing, push hard button, voice call works fine? How is that possible??? Hang up, soft reset... everything appears normal, for about 10 min... pull phone out of pocket to check email, (my phone is PIN locked by company policy), clock is there, top curtain icons are there, slider isn't, next appointment isn't... phone not responding. Clock in upper curtain keeping perfect time, soft reset, everything appears normal, for about 10 min....

Ok I said a nugget, so I will cut this off, it has been going on for several hours now, constant soft resets, non-responsive screen etc.

Just in case anyone asks, I didn't make any changes to the configuration in the last 3 days, too busy working.

Hopefully whatever it is causing this will NOT be present in 28008!

Thanks NRG you are appreciated.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tofferbear:
I was going to ask this in private message, but I figured it would be better done in the thread instead in case anyone else didn't know the answer and wanted to know.

Sooo, you were right on the money about a hard reset...as soon as I did that, the syncing worked quickly and flawlessly (thanks again btw). So my question, what does a hard reset do that isn't happening after a device is initially flashed with a new ROM?

I mean as far as I can tell, it pretty much just re-applies the same ROM over again after you hard reset...doesn't it?

I'm making a guess that after pushing a new ROM onto the device and it going through the setup process immediatly after is just too much, whereas after a hard reset it only has to go through the setup phase...no downloading of the new image.

My other guess is that it has something to do with the multicolored bootloader screen and that it's not clearing up it's memory after it's done which would cause different results when the setup phase is run without first bringing up the bootloader...however, these are just guesses. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Let me put this in the simplest possible terms....

If you install a new version of Windows on your home/office PC/laptop... after the installation is complete what does the installation script do?

Reboot....

During the installation of an OS (and yes a ROM is the OS for your phone) hundreds of temporary installation files are created and stuck all over the phone memory structure. These are only created during the process of unpacking the files creating the registry, etc that comes with a new install. Once that is done, the files SHOULD be deleted but in many cases they are not, so a hard reset (not a reflash mind you) clears all that memory out and re-initializes the memory core. Back in the Kaiser days not only was hard reset required but so was a complete flash of the provider specific ROM along with 2 hard resets, before a custom ROM would work properly.

This is the joy and pain of running custom ROMs, you have to deal with oddities both in the forum and in the ROMs :D You report issues and sometimes the Chef will fix them, other times he/she defers to M$ or tells you to quit whining. But you also get the latest greatest fastest ROMs on earth and get to shove them up the collective noses of the iPhone braggarts who think that Steve Jobs is the Saviour of all mankind.

Thank you for your attention, you may now return to your normal(?) activities. :p

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] blackid185:
Backlight/Screen Off too quickly

Does anyone have a problem with the phone's screen turning off, like less than 1min, even with the max values (5min- dim, 10 min-off screen) set under Settings-> System -> Power -> Backlight? Is there a registry setting that is overriding the values I selected? Is this problem still in the latest EnergyROMs?

It's real annoying when using RSS Hub to read my feeds, that I have to keep turning the screen on.

I'm on the Nov. 8th Standard WM 6.5 21864 version. Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I haven't seen this problem in the last several variants of NRGs ROM.

Do you have anything else loaded that could perhaps affect the power module?

Try a hard reset and see if it still happens, then perhaps a later/different version.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] i<3myphone:
Welllllllllllllll.....I FINALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY got my TP2 back today. Holy cow! After what? 45 days almost? GEeeez. I am very disappointed with their turnaround on repairs. That is ridiculous.

Out of pocket was $20. Not too bad I guess. They replaced the Main Board and Re-Flashed ROM image.

I now have alot of catching up to do on this site. Not so sure I want to be flashing a bunch of stuff on it now to be honest. That *hit scares me now.

Just thought I would update anyone who was wondering what happened to me and my phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] blackid185:
Thanks Russ, for the quick response, the Hard Reset fixed my problem! Now I need to figure what program messed up my phone in the first place. Ah, the joy of troubleshooting.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I suspect that it isn't any program you loaded. As I have said on this forum (and others) before, if you don't do a hard reset IMMEDIATE after a ROM flash you are opening yourself up for issues.

I suspect (from lots of experience) that without a hard reset to remove the setup files and bogus reserved memory that some thing just don't work right. You should be OK to load your normal applications without issue. If you do experience issues, then start over, hard reset and add apps one at a time until you find the offender.

Hope that helps!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
28008 quick look

All,

I have just finished loading 28008. After 45 min of configuration the only thing I can report is: USB activesync doesn't want to hold my PIN. In other builds activesync will ask for permission to retain the PIN and unlock the phone upon connection, despite granting permission, on subsequent syncs it still asks me to manually unlock the phone.

Everything else I have quickly tested seems to be ok.

More as I test/play with this build.

@NRG Please check you PM...

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Post Flash Hard Rest

@NRG.

Can you code a forced Hard Reset into the set up script? I think it will solve a world of issues with the custom ROMs.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Malaclypse5:
I know the hard reset sometimes works... but this may also be an issue related to having an exchange server set-up. If you have one let me know, there was a problem with the tp1 never truly resolved, and I still encounter this on 10.7 and 10.9. Issue appears only if you have exchange server and there are certain settings on the exchange host - your power settings will generally not be respected but will sometimes work ok...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] orb3000:
First impressions

As always a great work by NRGZ28!

Free RAM after 1st boot: 95Mb

Free RAM after 1hr playing around: 65Mb

Smooth, good oeverall performance

Quick menu looks weird on the left and confuses with start

battery testing...........

Imiss Opera 10 as default and xperia task mgr
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
you're smoking WHAT? :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] LordFuzzy024:
Downloading the New Dec 2nd 28008 Standard. Will report back shortly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
My Lord Fuzzy, I have been running it for about 2 hours. I think you will be well impressed by it. Try to ignore the little icon in the top left of your screen, it seems out of place but does fulfill its calling. :)

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tofferbear:
There's what I didn't understand. For some reason I always thought the memory was cleared out after a soft reset...I didn't know it was persistent between "reboots". :)

lol...you crack me up. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
I'm pretty sure it's been proven plenty of times that a hard reset doesn't do crap. I'm also pretty sure that I've never had to do a hard reset on any ROM I have flashed, for the exception of my old Hermes. For those where their issues disappeared after a hard reset, I'm pretty sure it's coincidence.

If you can find some research where on a newer Windows mobile phone a hard reset would be beneficial, I would stand corrected. But I'm certain this is a practice that was done on older phones that for some strange reason people thought was still needed on newer Windows phones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
It is your right and privilege to to hold your own opinion of this, however, I can tell you with certainty that most flashing issues on rhodium can be overcome with a hard reset post flash. If you don't see issue, good on you! I use my rhodium every day for business not play, I need a rock stable platform and after nearly 15 years of playing with beta code on a dozen devices from PC to servers to PDA, 9 times out of 10 a memory issue is to blame for unexpected behavior. If you're not having problems cool! happy for ya! I will continue to hard reset after each and every flash...

Later...

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] J-Hop2o6:
can i get that to see if it'll work for me?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] LordFuzzy024:
Dude you are not kidding. This is rediculous. I just downloaded, backed up, flashed, restored, and posted in exactly 1 hour and 5 minutes. I have never been able to get it done this fast. I will test the battery and speed more but first impresstion the Dec 2nd 28008 ROM is freaking great!!!!

You amaze me NRG, how you do the voodo you do is awsome. The only thing you dont have is my KeepMyTones program. Works great on your ROMs. :D:D:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FiyaFleye:
I'm going to bite and ask what this icon is.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dclown:
:D:D AwesomeneSS :eek::eek:

Fast, Smooth, Seamless, This RoM is off the Charts...... I ReallY Mean This :p:p

- Thank you Thank you -
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
I appreciate you letting me have my opinion. I also agree that memory issues can cause 'unexpected behavior'. I don't agree that a hard reset is the answer to resolve 'unexpected behavior'. That is telling me you do a clean install of EVERYTHING whenever something doesn't work. Do you do that to your PCs and servers as well? Do you format your PCs and servers immediately after doing a fresh install of the OS? No, because IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE! Hence, my point.

But if you want to waste your time doing a hard reset after every flash of a cooked ROM, be my guest. If it was such a vital step in the flashing process, EVERYBODY would be telling ROM flashers to do it. Not seeing that happening...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] arivis:
You are looking for trouble NRGZ doesn`t like mirror man and trust me unless He okayed it, I suggest you seek his consent first.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] thierry2064:
Just installed your new standard ROM, after testing your Titanium and ROMs from other, thanks for updating. Unfortunately slide2shutdown does not power off my TP2 (French Orange), same as PsShutXP. xdaShutdown works well, so I changed the registry for Action Screen to trigger xdaShutdown.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
To add Start Menu links...

Open Total Commander (Start -> Total Commander)

Navigate to the .EXE program that you want to add to the Start Menu

Right click it, and there's an option for creating a link in the Start Menu or something.

To change which links are in what folder...

Open File Explorer

Navigate to the \Windows\StartMenu folder

Now Cut/Paste (right click) the links to where you want them! You can also simply delete the links too.

To change the order of links in a folder...

When in the Start Menu, just hold down on a link/folder, and drag it to where you want!

Idk about the theme.

Lol, I warned him about that too. The NRG hellstorm is coming soon...:p lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] CSCicus:
mirror down

ok i wait what nrg says. For now i disabled mirror.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Supertrooper:
Downloaded the lasted 2.1 this morning. Once again, Thank you.

Well built rom and I am enjoying the hell out of it. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rxdoctor:
home key still not fixed on tmobile tp2

did not try sms/mms msg yet but I can tell you the fix for home key still not working with out the fix on page one.....3 post i beleive it was....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] robertwind89:
genesis 23016

hey i have a question about the new rom. when i go to hotfile to dl it there is titanium and 2 standards neither of them are labeled standard2.5 so i dl both roms and flashed both and neither of them had manila, anyone have any suggestions
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Standard has manila 2.1. I'm on it right now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] janshuizing:
mms

MMS works great no problemo

@work
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RTbar:
where is the manila 2.5 download?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
Eh, I think Manila 2.5 has been discontinued because of the complaints.

But, you can get the last version of Manila 2.5 through my archives on The Wingster (here). That's the old version, the last one released.

NRG hasn't actually discontinued it....We'll see what happens. (Fingers crossed)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] robertwind89:
oh ok sweet thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mika34:
I may be wrong, but I think its not ready yet! I'm waiting for it also.

sorry to late
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
Wasn't NRG working on a new release with a newer build of 6.5?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Yes and when it's ready it will drop.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
Thanks for the gem of information. </sarcasm>

Why I ask is because there was talk about him polishing off some rough edges on a newer build, and then he releases a polished version of 23016. Thought I may have missed something.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
Lol wow, I didn't mean it in anyway. You guys need to read it normal and not in a different tone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
:D

No worries, I figured it would eventually get released, just wanted to know if I missed anything on its delay.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
NRG's a busy man. He cooks for like 10 devices, imagine the hell that is!! :eek:\

But honestly, the new WM6.5.1 builds aren't really finished yet. It's cool to look at briefly, but for stability, well, it's not there yet. In time it will be, but basically, it's just like Manila 2.5. Fun to look at, but not much else.

And as others have said, lets just get a stable Standard version first. Wait, we already kind of have that :D

But the point is, don't worry, NRG is working as fast as he can. It's all good :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hmbfuze:
I flashed the latest to my US TM TP2 yesterday. Absolutely no issues for me at this point. MMS works great as does everything else. The ROM is full of so many useful goodies that I just need to add a few of my special apps for work.

Energy ROMs have saved the day for me with my last two HTC devices. Thanks for the tweaking. I thought I was happy with the last version but this is even sweeter.

Confirmation number: 3NN509272F847241R
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tofferbear:
I +1 this and would like to add that the setup screens are looking fantastic. I like the transition effects and the Windows Phone logo. Looks great!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tofferbear:
forgive me for butting in, and I'm reaaaally not trying to start an argument but I started the initial question and I'm really trying to understand this...

Aren't we talking about 2 different types of memory here? The ROM is flashed onto a persistent memory chip where the OS is stored...that's like the hard drive on a PC.

Then there's volitile memory that programs execute in like RAM in a PC. If I understood what Russ was saying the volitile memory "can" persist between soft resets...and a hard reset will completely zero this out.

If that's indeed the case, it does make a certain amount of sense that after a hard reset the setup / customization app that executes right after the image starts up may execute different or maybe even do what they need to better...right? Or is that crazy talk?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
I may well be misunderstanding here, but isn't a reboot on a PC equivalent to a soft reset on WinMo, not a hard reset ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rawb123456:
Alternative DL

can anyone shoot me in the direction? Hot File has been giving me major issues..."parallel downloads".....while im not currently downloading anything....the help would be appriciated..thanks looking for EnergyROM 21877 RHODIUM 27.Nov.2009 Standard.rar" file
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
Where is the link for that ROM please?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
http://hotfile.com/list/93322/b5a2687
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Damager:
Flashed the 2.12.09 Standard ROM.

First impressions are very good and quick.

May be just my phone, but the weather animations has a slight stutter when switching between cities. Does this happen for anyone else? Not a major but something i noticed none the less.

Cheers for the new ROM NRG. Donation will be made on my payday! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
that would be quick menu. NRG put the icon where the start button would be on a pre 6.5.x ROM. It almost looks like a graphic artifact not an intentionally placed item.

I have to go catch a plane or I would put up a screen shot for you.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Yes and No, because I think there is an underlying problem with the soft reset itself. What is supposed to happen when you soft reset is exactly the same as a reboot on your PC. Volatile memory is cleared, video memory is cleared, etc and a the OS is restarted. This IS what happens when you reboot your PC/Mac/Unix box, whatever. But it appears to NOT be what is happening when a soft reset is performed on the winmo platform. Volatile RAM does not seem to be completely cleared unless a Hard reset is performed. No, I don't know why and I don't have the tools to prove my theory, it is only a theory.

Let me put this another way, perhaps you have heard of a software issue called a memory leak? In a memory leak situation, software is not cleaning up after itself and releasing the RAM it is using after a function or process is completed. By way of analogy, if your kitchen counter was the memory of your TP2, and you went into your fridge, (NVRAM in my analogy) and got something out say a gallon of milk. You pour a glass of milk and leave the gallon on the counter taking up space. Then you come back an hour later and get something else, stuff to make a sandwich, and again leave it on the counter rather than put it back in the fridge (can you tell I have teenage kids?) eventually your counter would be full of stuff and your fridge would be empty. Leaving no room for further use of the counter. So you perform a soft reset, you put everything back in the fridge and have a clear counter (memory). So, now let's flip this into the flashing process. Your TP2 is going through a ton of steps to unpack and load the new ROM, this is being done by a software application that is resident in on the hardware itself. When it is done loading the OS, it SHOULD put everything back in the fridge, I suspect it is like my teenagers, it puts some stuff away and leaves the rest for me to put away. Taking up valuable memory (counter) space. So I come along and finish the job of cleaning up the kitchen (hard reset) now the counter (memory) is clear for applications to use without interference.

Some seem to feel I am trying to start an argument or criticize the ROM, not at all. Part of a good beta testers job is to document and report findings and how to work around them. I think this is a Windows issue not a ROM issue, and in simple terms, it just works! No one got irritated with the chefs for using workarounds to get sense 2.x to work on the 6.5.x screen size, even though it was buggy as hell. It was simply reported and we lived with it until someone found a better way. I am doing the same.

Ok, I have said enough for 630AM and I am about to be late for a flight. Thank god I am going home for a while!

Have a good day all. If you are in the US look up, I may be flying over you!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DeadBirdDog:
Just flashed the 12-02-09 version and am in the process of restoring my backup and other custom items. I am VERY impressed so far. I see Opera 9.7 is back instead of 10.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cgl:
I do a hard reset before and after I flash a new ROM. I see no harm in doing it, and I've never had an issue with flashing (granted it's only been 2 weeks and 4 flashes, but still). I agree, if you don't feel like waiting the 2 minutes, to each his own.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kiladubz:
Slide to Unlock?

Hello All,

Just wondering if anybody had the slide to unlock cab, as apparently the new 12/2/09 6.5.3 Rom does not have it pre-installed (I actually use this quite a bit)

Thanks in advance, and thanks to NRG for keeping up the great work!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kiladubz:
Installed the Dusk screenlock for now, pretty sweet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jezi:
Is it this one?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] flippy:
Do you mean the default one for wm6.5? If that is so how can we reinstall it and why was it left out?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] adoute:
That is an old version, and is for QVGA devices. The current VGA version, 2.14, works great on my TP2. See A_C's S2U2 thread, or go to his website to download the latest version.