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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajuabju:
Really, so even though NRG considers 28008 to be more experimental than 21877, its still smooth? Does that mean 21877 is SUPER stable, or no noticeable difference in performance/stability?

Also, anywhere I can see a total list of differences between 6.5 and 6.5.3? I know the Start Menu is at the bottom, but I'm sure (or I'm hoping) thats not the only change MS made...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
28008 is still an M$ beta so yes, it is more experimental than 21877. I personally can't comment on the stability of the comm2 (21877) builds as I haven't run one for months.

I do not know of a single source that will document the differences between the 6.5 and 6.5.x builds. What I can tell you is this, it is more than just having the start button at the bottom of the screen. ALL the buttons are bigger, more finger friendly and may or may not be in the same locations as the 21xxx builds. I prefer the more finger friendly approach, in fact the only time I use my stylus now is push the little reset button after a flash!

I guess the real test would be for you to give it a go. Try the 28008 (or 28011) and see what you think.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] beerbaronstatic:
I noticed in 28008 that g-sensor rotation wouldn't work for any of my apps. Is this a problem with all of the 28xxx builds or just 28008? If its secluded to 28008, does it work in 28011?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RemE:
I've been on 21877 Std. for a while. I tried Dec4 version and it has a minor Opera link problem, easily fixed and a task manager problem that can be solved with disabling notification manager for now. I went and stepped to Nov27 version and everything seems solid to me, it has Opera10 beta 1 on it which I don't use that much, the Dec4 rom went back to Opera9 so there must be issues with 10?.

I too was wondering about the 28xxx version roms and had avoided them due to the "it's cutting edge but less stable" statements. Do I understand that it doesn't support Manila in Landscape??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 69Pwned:
What can I say, but i'm a WM newbie.

Only had the Tilt 2 for a week.

So all this is new to me ........... :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] beerbaronstatic:
Manila 2.5 doesn't support landscape, as far as I know the version of Windows Mobile doesn't impact this
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
@RemE,

You are confusing 28xxx (WP 6.5.x) and Manila/Sense 2.5. I am running 28008 with Manila/Sense 2.1 as posted in my signature, Manila/Sense 2.1 works FINE in Landscape, Manila/Sense 2.5 does not work in Landscape.

I think the nervousness about 6.5.x is unfounded. In my opinion it is as stable as the Stock ATT ROM, it has a few BUGS but from a stability point of view is really is that good. I wouldn't be surprised to see an 'official' M$ release in the near future.

Hope that clears things up a bit.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Since you seem to know 28008 well, can you comment on the g-sensor not working remark above? Is this the case?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tgwaste:
how do you disable the notification manager to fix the taskbar?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] beerbaronstatic:
Start -> Tools -> Tweaks -> notification manager off, soft reset and you're done
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajuabju:
Thanks for also explaining that to me as well. Seems from what I'm reading in the various posts, that Sense 2.5 was really designed for the LEO(HD2), not our TP2. Since its designed for a phone with more RAM and a much faster CPU, probably runs a bit slow on our TP2's? Regardless, I dont care for the 3 shortcut buttons on the homepage at all, so I'll be sticking with Sense 2.1

I'll be trying out the 28008 build with WM 6.5.3 today. Seems from all the posts in this thread that its pretty darn stable for most people.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I don't respond to people who have faster cars than me and get to live in Austin. :D

G-sensor hasn't worked for me on ANY build. I can't comment if it is 6.5.x related or the application itself. That is what I meant when I said it is stable but has a few bugs. 28008 hasn't crashed on me once, no lockup, nothing like that, but there are a few things that don't work right. G-sensor being one of them. I have an app that does work, but I don't use landscape enough (with the keyboard in) to worry about it.

Now go wash your car!

Russ

EDIT: The application is G-Config not G-Sensor!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
LOL, I don't need to wash my car... because I drive the beater when it rains (like today). :D

G-sensor works perfectly in 21877, but you do have a point... only time I use landscape with the keyboard is with opera, facebook app (photo albums), and youtube. If 28008 will run these apps in landscape without any problems, I'll fire up 28008 tonight to give it a try.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] memcbob:
g-sensor experience

I ran into this first on my PURE, before i moved to 28xxx on Tilt2. 28xxx loads don't seem to acknowledge g-Sensor setup...Had to use changescreen app. It works fine on PURE and Tilt2 (although it doesn't help me much...given the full KB)! Yes, g-Sensor works for 21877, though.

FYI,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
All those apps work fine in Landscape, no worries there.

Ok, if your car doesn't need washed, come wash mine, it's covered in salt!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] orb3000:
28008 Dec 4

G-sensor is working perfect for me, if I need to add an app just include it on exeption list and voila!

Even Opera 10b2 (which never worked before) is working great wit gsensor:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Well why aren't you living in Austin then? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RemE:
Thanks Russ, I am a bit confused now. I thought that 21877 was WM6.5 and manila 2.1 and that 28xxx was WM6.5.3 with manila 2.5 with the two being "packaged" together in the Standard series.

So 28008 and 28011 Std has manila 2.1 currently??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
orb, I tested it with the Calculator (default on the exceptions list), no rotation. Would you do the same test and let me know if it works for you?

thanks

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
This thread is ONLY 2.1. 2.5 has it's own thread!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tgwaste:
tried 28011...

o morphgear no longer has a 'close' button for any settings screen.

iow: you have to do your settings.. completely close the program.. then open it back up.

o the file explorer no longer works when selecting a game because the scroll bar is broke.

o activesync is broke again. this version wont even TRY to sync.

o tapping twice to close on some apps is obnoxious (ie: total commander)

going back to 21877 and am going to try to fix the task manager.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajuabju:
28008 and 28011 in THIS thread are both Manila 2.1 and Windows Mobile 6.5.3

28011 is a new version of 28008 that NRG has just started playing with and not yet officially released from what I can tell.

21877 in THIS thread is Manila 2.1 and Windows 6.5

Manila 2.5 has its own thread by NRG. That thread has both 6.5 and 6.5.3 variants as well
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] orb3000:
Lol!

I have never opened the calculator before:p:D

You´re right calc seems not to be rotating, but the rest of the apps I added to exception list are working great.

Don´t know why calc is not working...:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kogac001:
28011

I have been using 28011 for 1 day now and am not experiencing any of the problems as noted. Active Sync works great with 28008 and 28011. I have not had a chance to get a battery evaluation yet as there has not been enough charge cycles. When 28008 was running my battery charge was ok. I usually get 12 hours of hard use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Before you go back to 21877, try a hard reset. You may have something hung in memory.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RemE:
Dooooh, I missed that somewhere along the way, that 2.5 had it's own thread along with CDMA's seperate thread. NRG's like fricken Wille Wonka with his ROM factory and number of flavors!

Thanks so much for clarifying. I guess I'll hold on 21877 Nov27 as absolutely everything I use is working well right now.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Something to do with that pesky 4 letter word... WORK!

Gotta go where the work is... used to be Austin, now its Annapolis, tomorrow? who the hell knows.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
That's what I get for doing a single threaded test!

Ok, I guess G-Config IS working, unless you use the calculator as a test object!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Tofferbear:
Same here...been using it pretty aggressivly for 4 days and I have about 200-300 e-mails coming in a day with maybe 100-200 txt messages and nothing is choking at all...first ROM I've flashed that hasn't even choked a little. Lovin it...but I'm sure I'll install 28011 out of morbin curiosity. :-D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I think you meant MORBID curiosity... LOL

I have 28011 sitting in my /ROM/NRG folder, just can't bring myself to load it without a change log. I'm daring enough to run a beta ROM but not without knowing what I am loading!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efjay:
Is AVCRP working in the latest roms? Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
It's good to hear about the stability of the 28xxx builds. Think it might be time to dip my toe into that particular pond :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajuabju:
Well, I just tried both the 28008 and 28011 flavors....

But I now officially hate WinMo 6.5.3 Sorry, I didnt think the change would be that drastic, but yea, the bottom button bar just looks GOOFY to me. Hopefully a new version comes out that makes it look a lot better.

So now I'll try 21877 and stick with WM 6.5 for now. From what I've read, the Dec 4 version is damn good and I'm sure contains lots of improvements vs the Oct-11th version I was previously running.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tgwaste:
i actually did that and it didnt fix anything.

right now im using 12/04 21877 which seems pretty stable now that i fixed the task manager bug. since the last stable version for me is 10/07, im pretty happy to finally be able to get a more latest version :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nefiwashere:
im having problems with the 21877 standard buid.

i cant send mms but i can recieve.

when i click on the task manager it also brings up my notifications.

any help thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] techluvr:
Yup, I can vouch for 28008. It was the first cooked ROM I ever flashed and I love it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ierlanfdan:
Can someone tell me what the real name is of the function where you have to put the telephone with the screen down (while in call), so the rear loudspeakers are kicking in? (And where to put it off or on?)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I don't think it has a 'name' but here is how to enable/disable it:

Start --> Settings --> Personal --> Phone --> Advanced --> bottom most check box (Turn speaker on when device is placed face down during a call)

Not sure why you would want to turn it off but what the hell it's your phone!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tgwaste:
is there any way to manually pull up the USB selector or does it only come up when you plug the phone into the charger?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] black_mobility:
Soooooooo, how did you fix the task manager bug? :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] beerbaronstatic:
start -> tools -> tweaks -> notification manager off -> soft reset
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] black_mobility:
Works!, Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Coderedpl:
I went out to a very open area today and I was driving around and around and I was unable to get a GPS signal at all. It just kept timing out.

Any suggestions/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
which Radio are you using?

Please take the next 5 min of your life and create a signature line. I wouldn't have to ask you which Radio you had if you had an up to date signature line.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Coderedpl:
I just downloaded 4.49.25.57 and going to install it. I currently at the moment of writing SHOULD have 4.49.25.17 since thats what i installed after I put on the hardspl and then flashed radio and then flashed rom
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
AHHH yes, after a few days of hell,, back to annoy people. NAW, just be sarcastic!

PLEASE READ POST #6

.

Also...Advanced Config in the programs menu lets you change notifications.

Thank You.:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I haven't had any problem with 4.49.25.17, even getting GPS to lock on an airplane. So, I think you have another problem, not sure what it is but it's likely not your radio.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Coderedpl:
Can i go from a higher version to a lower version of the radio?

Maybe i should try T-Mobiles version?

Can you tell me what settings to have on exactly?

It keeps on saying its seeking GPS satellites (0) and i can't get a lock at all.

I can get a pretty close location like the corner of my block but its not locking any actual satellites. Any suggestions?

I'm on 21877 standard.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Where did you get 4.49.25.57? It's not even under the Rhodium radios thread... probably your problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Coderedpl:
http://htcpedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=437
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
What did you finish washing your car and decide to jump back in? :D

He (she?) just d/l ed that one and I don't know where from either, but he (she?) had 4.49.25.17 and had the same issue.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
That radio *JUST* came out. There is literally 0 user feedback on it... for all you know, GPS doesn't work at all.

Have you tried 4.49.25.17? Works flawlessly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Nah, maybe this weekend. Good looking weather tomorrow, will take Godzilla out for sure. :D

4.49.25.57 looks to be a Topaz radio... I'm not even convinced it's for Rhodium.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
Damn, leave my comp for 5 minutes and all you guys are on!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Coderedpl:
He/ Name is peter :)

Whats the difference between the HTC radio and TMobile ones?

I'm going to re-install 4.49.25.17 and then re-flash to 21877.

What settings should I have ON? Can you guys please take a min and post those? Maybe i have something turned off?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
Brother....I was at the dyno yesturday with my friends WRX that I worked on getting re-tuned and there was a GODZILLA there. That car was making 570 hp to the tires and with the exhaust it had installed souned like a motor cycle at 90 mph wide open throttle! I am gonna builld an EVO 9 now but that GTR is bad ass. If it wansnt for school I'd buy one right now!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Yes you can go backwards, forwards what ever, but just because a radio (or ROM) has a 'higher' number does not make it newer, it only makes it different.

I haven't heard any feed back on 4.49.25.57 so, my advise would be to flash back to 4.49.25.17.

The settings;

External GPS: com4

agps: on

location service: on

if you can't get a lock, use HTC GPS test (in the GPS folder) open it, click open port, menu, satellite and watch to see if you get ANY signal at all from the birds. You should see red dots on the 'radar' and a vertical bar graph at the bottom.

let me know.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Yeah, scary part is... all you need is an exhaust upgrade (racing downpipes + midpipe) + a Cobb Accessport tune, and you'll be around 550 HP to the wheels. Quarter mile in the 10 second range.

They're developing 1000HP turbo upgrade packages already..... :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Give an OldFART time to type Peter!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Hijacking the thread to talk about cars are we? Ok, I'm in.

The only thing I know of that is street legal at 1KHP is the Veyron (sp) and as much as I would love to own one (if I had a spare million to drop on a car) I just don't think there is any place left in the US to enjoy it.

My car isn't slow by any means but it's no where near GODZILLA fast. I suppose you guys have seen the Top Gear episode featuring your toy?

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Raychem:
I am gonna be looking at some law schools in your neck of the woods. I wanna get out of Florida and TX is a nice alternative.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lp894:
for some reason, my incoming messages have "- GSM" at the end of them. As well as Threaded SMS isn't working correctly. Anybody else havin that issue?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ruinertt:
There is no "horsepower" limit on vehicles to make them legal/not legal. My buddy here in GA has a '94 Supra (converted to single turbo) that runs high 8s in the 1/4 mile and runs it on the roads a good bit (legally) at around 45 lbs/boost. I think that it is something around 1250-1300rwhp give or take.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pinkdiamonds:
hi,

sorry about this questions but... which one of these roms has the start menu in the bottom left hand corner, please? I remeber downloading one once that didn't have it... now I can't remember which number is which :S
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ruinertt:
From the first post:

* The 21877 Build is from the OEM COM2 Tree and is the most reliable and bug free release. I recommend you start with this first!

And...

* The 28008 Build that's the latest in the 6.5.3 series with the Start/Close buttons at the bottom. These builds are not as stable but they reflect the latest cutting edge technology from Microsoft.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
you are of course correct, there is not BHP limit for legality. I was referring to production cars vs 'funny cars' or rail drag racers. Your buddy's Supra (one of my favorites by the way) started out as a stock production car and is legal because it meets the other requirements for street use, headlights, seat belts etc. I would hazard a guess that 99.9% of cars in the +1K BHP class would not meet those requirements.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
Yep, he hurt his neck, heh. I almost did the same when I took her through Lime Creek Rd... closest thing to the Nurburgring in Texas:

http://www.motorcycleroads.us/roads/tx_lcr.html

Austin's the place to be my friend. I can't see myself anywhere else (in Texas at least). :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Same questions we ask every one line poster....

Which ROM?

Which ROM Date?

Which Phone?

Which Carrier?

Which Radio?

Please don't one line post questions, we can't (won't) help you if you don't tell us these basic things!

And for GOD's Sake please take 5 min and create a signature line and keep it up to date!!!!!

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kiladubz:
Are you guys digging the 28011 (20091207) release? im running the 20091204 6.5.3 release and its working flawlessly, wondering if it was worth the upgrade (im getting tired of re-installing all my apps).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
I LOVE Lime Creek road! I have left plenty of goodyear rubber on those corners!

I also agree with you if you want to live in Texas, Austin is the ****!

BTW, sorry I missed you a couple weeks back when I was in town, my trip got cut from 3 days to 2 and the work load didn't change. I did get to see my in laws and eat at Amaya's but that was about it! Hopefully I will be back in town early next year.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
That discussion has been going on all day. So far the consensus is that until NRG posts a change log there really isn't any pressing reason to flash again. I know I'm not.

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] orb3000:
Unfortunately nobody cares Russ.

They will still ask over again... no reading...just attend me immediately...

Regards:)

Perhaps if we can ask NRGZ28to post this on 1st page, or if we repost this post on every page :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
No worries, if you're in-laws are here, you're bound to be back in town again, heh.

Flashing 28008 right now... if you don't see me on here again, everything went to hell in a handbasket on my first 6.5.3 flash. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Coderedpl:
I reflashed both the rom 21877 and the radio Rhodium_Radio_4.49.25.17....and still having hard time, i stuck it out the window and left the gps test on

Any other suggestions?

I got this phone from someone else and it had some damage to the rear (like a melted back cover hence i had to get a new one but no other damages) I guesss that wont let me do anything with the warranty or w.e ://
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Oh I know they don't care, but I wouldn't be doing my bit to improve XDA if I didn't keep repeating the same mantra. And I doubt NRG will post that to any page, he hasn't posted anything (besides an occasional update to post 1 or the title) in weeks.

I think if we (the vocal ones here) want to fix this problem then we simply refuse to respond to one liners. If you don't post your information either in your question, as a title or in a sig line we just don't answer and tough **** on them. Then every page or two one of us posts a canned message, "one line postings will be ignored".

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Russ741:
Ok, STOP... there was physical damage to the phone when you got it? That changes the dynamic of the issue. When you run GPS test and look at the satellite screen do you see any signal at all? Red dots on the 'radar' and/or red/green bar graphs at the bottom? And I 'assume' you are hitting the open port button on the home screen of GPS test right?

If the back cover was melted and the GPS antenna is directly under the back cover near the top do you think perhaps the antenna (which is just a ferrite rod with wire around it) might have been damaged?

Russ
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kiladubz:
I gotcha russ, no problems if im feeling brave later i may just take the blind leap and fill everyone in on my impressions.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] RemE:
Thanks for the radio tips, Things have been running great but I went ahead and bumped to 4.49.25.17 and sure enough, more bars at my desk than ever before.