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[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
Quick question (sorry if it has been asked and answered before - I've searched this thread and read through an appreciable proportion of it): Does anyone know if every TouchFLO 3D tab on the HD2 (Leo) has a landscape layout? The landscape layouts I've seen for the "Music" and "Photos and Videos" tabs, from ROMs based on ROMs from the HD2, lack the TouchFLO 3D tab bar at the bottom (and any way of making that bar appear), which would make navigating to other tabs impossible without going back to portrait mode. That makes me worry that most tabs don't have a landscape mode any more...

Here are some screenshots to illustrate my points:

HD2 (Leo) Photos and Videos: http://www.redmondpie.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/HTCTouchFLO3D24.png

HD2 (Leo) Music: http://techielobang.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/touchflo3d_26_3.jpg

Older versions of TouchFLO 3D: http://freshgear.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/htc-touch-pro-2-screen-home-1.jpg

What is it made from?
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I don't know, I'm wondering what it will be made from. Wish it were glass.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I hope it's better than the screen on my HTC Touch was. That got completely messed up within a year. My Touch Diamond's screen is still perfect though, despite being over 15 months old.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
Does a capacitive screen work with a fingernail, or fingertips only?

Can you still use those clear plastic screen protectors with capacitive screens?
[HD2 General] agitprop:
Fingertips only

Screen protectors work on iphone, so, Yes!
[HD2 General] sproxy:
Actually, the Broadcom stack in Touch Pro2 improves the A2DP quality significantly. MS bluetooth stack seems to have the same audio quality issue on both Vista and windows mobile. With MS bt stack, you keep tweaking the settings and learn to live with certain amount of noise. In TP2 A2DP audio quality is sifnificantly improved out of the box. When compared to devices I have used (Polaris, Diamond, HD) it sounds great. Also, in TP2, if bt connection is lost, audio player stops as opposed to other devices using MS bt stack. Of course the perception of what is broken depends on the functionality desired.
[HD2 General] Canterbury:
firstly - cheers B3ler3fonte for all the time and info - great reading and much appreciated..

* i haven't read any reference to internal storage, is there any? (for music/videos etc)

(aside from a micro sd lot) n900 has 32GB and comparing to Leo with device database it has 0 ??

* can you please show pic of landscape keyboard on screen

most of the time the device is portrayed in portrait mode, while i would want to predominantly use it in landscape.

cheers from down under (NZ)
[HD2 General] makeveral:
now im just wondering if we will be able to use wm7 with the hd2 :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
This is just the thought I've been having. Whilst I like what I see so far, I still prefer a proper keyboard. People keep on about the keyboard on the iPhone being so great because of the capacitive screen so I too would like to know what it's like on the Leo. Is it any good?
[HD2 General] marin_andrei:
Is it just your Leo or are you happy to see me?
[HD2 General] Nokki:
+1 but, I´ve a Diamond :p

Now, looking for Omnia II.
[HD2 General] marin_andrei:
I'll wait...

I already paid for the HD and it was kinda dissapointing.

The screen is soft, the camera is crappy and no real support/updates from HTC.

If I pay another 550 E for another WM phone I expect OLED screen, capacitive with stylus, decent camera sensor and software, front 3G camera, compass and WINDOWS MOBILE 7.

Cant you see what they are doing?

MSFT says they wont release they own phone but that won't stop them back some manufacturer up with their Zune project + phone on WM7. And that would be a showstopper.
[HD2 General] jerrry:
Oh my dear god, visualised results from the SPB Benchmark 1.6...
[HD2 General] Leechoonhwee:
Hi B3ler3fonte ,

Thanks for the insight and answers to the LEO. Just to sidetrack the thread abit, do you happen to have the TP3 in testing already ... :)
[HD2 General] caviarchampagne:
I have not seen this answered and would be very grateful if someone could supply the weight information.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Why & how the fourth result(Graphics Index) is negative/against Leo?:confused:
[HD2 General] doloop:
Why "wmpoweruser.com leo vs. hd benchmark" give original touch HD with far more better results than here, but credits the leo with exactly the same results ?

Are the benchmark published here credible ?

results @ wmpoweruser.com are:

.............................................HTC Touch HD.......HTC Leo

SPB Benchmark Index...........1040.77...............1597.12

CPU index.............................2272.2.................6494.18

File system Index..................502.96.................747.02

Graphics Index......................4002.07..............1988.03
[HD2 General] TomONeill:
I agree with you!
[HD2 General] makeveral:
guys look what i've found inside last leo rom:

it will have digital compass! and it looks like it will be used by manila somehow since it got manila files inside the package wich is named DigitalCompass_1_0_19192831_1
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
I really do hope it has a digital compass. There is a really cool app on Android that uses one, its call NRU made by lastminute.com.
[HD2 General] makeveral:
the good point of the digital compass is that now it have all required specs to run wm7 i think :)
[HD2 General] elyl:
Do you actually have a Leo to test this on? Since, apparently, the Digital Compass app has shipped on various other ROMs (non-Leo) for systems which did not have a digital compass.

I'm still pretty hopeful it will, though. Microsoft released minimum specs for a WM7 phone, digital compass was one of them. The Leo hits all the specs, confirmed, apart from the digital compass. HTC would have known the WM7 specs long before Microsoft released them. Perhaps B3ler3fonte can download this app and install it on his Leo and let us know for sure!
[HD2 General] lambstone:
hm. could someone possibly benchmark the Leo against Toshiba TG01? Since they are both using snapdragon.
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
That would be good. Not that the compass is essential to the Leo, but knowing it to be 100% WM7 compatible would be the icing on the cake.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
So THAT's what all the fuss about a digital compass is all about: compatibility with WM7. I thought it was just because we had a lot of boy scouts on this forum!
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Sensibly integrated, it's a useful feature anyway. Google Maps, for example, could be made to automatically rotate the map so that you're looking in the same direction along the map as you are along the ground. (I've no idea if Google Maps actually does this, but in principle it could). That's quite handy if you're trying to navigate through a bit of countryside with no street names.
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
That's fair enough. I'm a city man myself (or at least I am right now).
[HD2 General] doloop:
Hey, digital compass is great for geocaching ! :°)
[HD2 General] fards:
yeah as I said earlier...

I've not had a reply from the guy who claims he has one, when i asked what version of the rom he has, as he can't see the app..

but the latest 2 rom version have a totally new, not seen before, NOT test app digital compass..

This is written in LUA..

Its new, it's not something that's been on other devices.

alas it doesn't seem to work on existing hardware (I've not got a leo to test with).

What the app does is allow you set a destination, then the compass points in that direction, based on where you are and your heading..

this is as far as I've gleaned from playing with it..

the odd thing is I dont think it's based on accelerometer, as it will pick up your position pretty well.. it just doesn't move, so I guess it needs the hardware in the LEO, the distance to destination does work however.. So I guess i could play a long range version of blind mans bluff with it :P

This is what it looks like on my own rom on the HD
[HD2 General] elyl:
Surely that could just be interpolated from GPS position, though? Doesn't really confirm a digital compass, since a GPS program can do the same thing based on the difference in your position over time.
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Just a few days ago events come thick and fast, every day another news about leo.

Now there is standstill, no new news and why? I guess we know nearly everything about this device, so pls HTC give us an official statement!!!

I think they let the cat out of the bag on the 6th of october when 6.5 will be launched :o

I wont be unhappy if they do it earlier :)))

This is just offtopic, sry ^^

This waiting is tremendous :o
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Are you sure it hits all the specs? There are two that I find dubious at best

Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash - 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)

Leo seems to have 256MB+ yes, but only 512MB internal flash, not the required 1G+, and I have no idea if those 512 MB are fast enough. If that flash is fast enough, then it might be OK provided extra memory on microSD card can be counted towards the required 1G+.

Battery: Sufficient to meet Days of Use LTK requirements.

What are the Days of Use LTK requirements? Does anyone know? I'm not sure Leo will measure up to this though. The battery times I've seen for Leo seems OK, but I doubt it's enough for the WinMo7 requirements.
[HD2 General] cidriver:
Dear all, let me said I fall in love with this device, so you are the next!!!

Did HTC said they will sell the device in Asia, Europe or whatever first??? How abouth the price?

Thank to all of you to posting and keep us informed.
[HD2 General] -NRG-:
yeh i am worried about the batterys specifications as well.

And i have the same question about the LTK requirements, i couldn't find anything about it.

B3ler3fonte could you please tell more about the battery life?

Thanks you for the information you've posted.
[HD2 General] dugald5:
This concerns me a little as well - although full screen video etc has been tested and seems to work fine. Perhaps it is due to the test device using beta software..?
[HD2 General] anx7501:
Does anyone know if the Leo / HD2 has TV out or VGA out. One of the things I love about my Athena is the ability to make VGA Powerpoint presentations right from my phone. This certainly gets peoples attention - the Leo has mine!
[HD2 General] anx7501:
Does anyone know if the Leo / HD2 has TV out or VGA out. I have seen some indications of TV out, but with the rest of the specs so impressive, I wonder if its VGA. Im sorry if this has been asked/answered before, this and other threads are gnetting bloated. One of the things I love about my Athena is the ability to make VGA Powerpoint presentations right from my phone. This certainly gets peoples attention - the Leo has mine!
[HD2 General] makeveral:
i dont think so :(
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Oh man, this is a bit worrying to me. The CPU index is obviously an benchmark of the CPU's speed and the Filesystem index is, I believe, based on the efficiency of the Filesystem. The Leo does, of course, come with default WM6.5 vs all the other phones' WM6.1

However, the graphical index seems to me to be a benchmark of the GPU; the graphics chip. According to this, the graphics chip is the weak link in the Leo.

The iPhone's Google Maps uses the compass.
[HD2 General] ghost-5:
no this phone does not have TV out.

B3ler3fonte has already said that he can get a full days usage out of this phone
[HD2 General] mightymn:
About the graphics benchmark

To everyone worried about the low graphics becnhmark result, as you probably know snapdragon's GPU is almost 5 times faster than current GPUs in WM phones, so this is clearly a problem either with the ROM or the benchmark. Don't worry :)
[HD2 General] doloop:
As i pointed out earlier, the whole benchmark seems biased, because touch HD score are largely better in wmpoweruser's benchs, whereas leo's bench are identical.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
rSAP bluetooth for in-car usage

Please can someone who has the ROM have a look at the bluetooth and see if it has rSAP or SAP - "remote Sim Access Protocol"? If you could try it out that would be even better.:) Without it, I cannot connect the Leo as a hands free phone in my car.:(
[HD2 General] fards:
it has pretty standard widcomm stack I think..

No references to rSap anywhere but there is SAPServer in the RGU

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\Plugin\HandsFree\ControlPanel]
"Authentication"=dword:00000001
"Authorization"=dword:00000000
"Enabled"=dword:00000001
"Encryption"=dword:00000001
"Name"="Hands Free"
"UUID"=dword:0000111E
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\Plugin\Handsfree]
"AudioHandling"=dword:0002B123 ;SSD HFP setting
"AudioPreferences"=dword:00000000
"DelayBeforeAnswerCall"=dword:00001388 ; RhodiumW ITS#3587
"EnableCallListPolling"=dword:00000001 ;SSD: add to fix MO call issue
"GMIAtText"="HTC"
"GMMAtText"="HTC"
"GMRAtText"="1.0.0"
"HideUseForPhone"=dword:00000001
"MaxHfpConnections"=dword:00000001	;SSD: limit HFP to 1.
"SupportedFeatures"=dword:00000563
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\Plugin\SAPServer]
"MaxMessageSize"=dword:00000600
"ServiceName"="SIM Access"
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\Plugin\SAPServer\ControlPanel]
"Authentication"=dword:00000001
"Authorization"=dword:00000001
"Enabled"=dword:00000001
"Encryption"=dword:00000001
"LockSettings"=dword:0000000E
"Name"="SIM Access Server"
"UUID"=dword:0000112D
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\SendTypes\0001]
"Icon"="BtArt.dll,14168"
"Order"=dword:00000001
"Title"="BtRez.dll,14106"
"Type"=dword:00000005
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\SendTypes\0002]
"Icon"="BtArt.dll,14169"
"Order"=dword:00000002
"Title"="BtRez.dll,14096"
"Type"=dword:00000002
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\SendTypes\0003]
"Icon"="BtArt.dll,14170"
"Order"=dword:00000003
"Title"="BtRez.dll,14097"
"Type"=dword:00000003
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\SendTypes\0004]
"Icon"="BtArt.dll,14171"
"Masks"="*.pwi"
"Order"=dword:00000004
"Roots"="?DOCUMENTS?\\*"
"Title"="BtRez.dll,23123"
"Type"=dword:00000001
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Widcomm\SendTypes\0005]
"Icon"="BtArt.dll,14172"
"Order"=dword:00000005
"Title"="BtRez.dll,14099"
"Type"=dword:00000004
[HD2 General] sdlopez83:
The benchmark prog might have to be updated to
[HD2 General] Tung_meister:
the poor graphics results are definitely down to the rom or the benchmark software. i'm leaning towards the benchmark software as it states that the chip is only capable of GL ES 1.1 when it is definitely capable of 2.0, though i suppose it is possible that the currently available rom has a under developed graphics driver installed.
[HD2 General] chris10230:
well it is htc lol
[HD2 General] Tung_meister:
ye thats what i was thinking :P
[HD2 General] lambstone:
so there's a quite likely chance that HTC is going to ship out the HTC Leo with awesome specs but horrible drivers again and when contacted they would pretend to look into it?
[HD2 General] Tung_meister:
it's just speculation at the moment, the benchmark results could still be down to the software rather than the drivers. It's also possible that different drivers will ship with the device if it is them at fault.
[HD2 General] mightymn:
It's possible but I've heard from a somehow reliable source that this time qualcomm's going to publich an SDK for snapdragon's GPU ! Have to cross our fingers I guess :D
[HD2 General] lambstone:
a reliable source? do you perhaps have a link or something? more details would be nice.
[HD2 General] mightymn:
no, it was a forum poster who seemed to know what he was saying! Had done some programming for snapdragon (and tegra) himself. Don't remember where I saw the post actually
[HD2 General] Der_Immitanz_konverter:
"HTC HD2 makes first official appearance in O2 UK catalog"

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/30/htc-hd2-makes-first-official-appearance-in-o2-uk-catalog/
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
It has just appeared in an O2 catalog as HD2:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/30/...ficial-appearance-in-o2-uk-catalog/#continued

2 Problems with the pics. 1) The start menu is of standard win mo 6.5 flavour not TF3D and 2) the pic of a landsacpe game at the bottom appears to have an exta silver bezel around the speaker which has not been seen on any model (yet)

Suspicous? O2 being too quick for thier own good? You decide!

EDIT: Damnit, beaten to the punch!:mad::p
[HD2 General] turt:
What's wrong with having a pic of WM6.5 when it's the first HTC phone being released with WM6.5?
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
Because TF3D usually takes over the start menu, so if a consumer buys the phone and pushes start, they wouldn't see the winmo 6.5 start menu, they would see the TF3D start menu
[HD2 General] crisz:
Digital compass comfirmed!

It's comfirmed! :D

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8381

Now we need that 1GB to et Windows Mobile 7! :mad:
[HD2 General] -NRG-:
That silver bezel you're talking about is just a reflection of light that is illustrated, it isn't a silver bezel.
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
This isn't really a confirmation... you should try reading first. This is a news story about a post made on the previous page of this thread (fards, post #274). While it is a good sign 1)it's already in this very thread b) the ROM amount is unliley to change before release (although it would seam insane to only fall short of the specs for win 7 by half a gig of ROM if the compass bit is true)
[HD2 General] mojohio:
Please, please, please HTC- make this phone available to the US. if not at first, then sometime in the near future. We've been shutout of so many high end phones lately without them either ever coming to the US, or with our cell providers hacking them up several months later. If anyone can spread the word to HTC it would be greatly appreciated!
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Please HTC make this phone available in the US....if only to stop these pointless, repetitive posts that serve no purpose whatsoever!
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
At this point, I am willing to blame the software. Even if the Snapdragon has poor drivers, I don't think the performance should be that much. Then again, as someone who has seen a PC run without proper graphics drivers, the performance of the most powerful video cards in the world at times seems worse than even an integrated graphics chip.

At this point, I think it might be best to wait for more news as opposed to passing early judgment.

Link: http://www.celluloco.com/htc-leo-wi...oth-enabled-smartphone-on-winmo--pr-2403.html

The HTC Leo will have quad-band HSDPA, so even if it doesn't come to the US, importing it shouldn't be an issue. Of course, by importing it, one would then have to wait for a lower price as opposed to getting it on contract, but it's better, I think, than lack of 3G.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I'm not sure I trust that page: they're definitely wrong about the resolution of the camera.
[HD2 General] gadgetguy1111:
Reset button

Does anyone know if the battery cover will have to be removed in order to reset the device?

Also, how does the T9 number pad layout look like? Reason for asking is that if it has only 3 columns of numbers (vs 4 columns with the 4th column as function keys (eg toogle between T9, move left, move right), then it may not be easy to text using the number pad given that the thumb will have to cover quite some distance to move from one end to the other of the 4.3" screen.

Thanks.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
As far as I'm aware, none of the leaked videos and ROMs related to the Leo have had a TouchFLO 3D start menu (the default start menu in WM6.5 is very similar to HTC's version for WM6.1 anyway). So it should still be assumed that the HD2 will come with TouchFLO 3D (O2 probably haven't shown TouchFLO 3D because it wasn't, and perhaps still isn't, finished).
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
Pointless you say ?? To what end should your evaluation of said purpose serve ?

Being judgmental is not an admirable trait. :p
[HD2 General] JRK-Scope:
Actually it only has dual-band HSDPA if you follow that link (900/2100).

A US version would likely be 850/1900. I don't see why they can't make a quad-band radio stack? Does it drain more power possibly?
[HD2 General] caviarchampagne:
This got lost in the great benchmarking debate. Anyone knows the weight of this phone?
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Hmm, you're right. I tried looking on other pages too and most other reported dual band HSDPA, but many sites seem to differ on which bands it is. Some list 1900/2100 while others list 900/2100.

1) http://www.mobile88.com/cellphone/HTC/HTC-Leo/specification.asp

2) http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC-Leo-phone-p_3887.html

3) http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1783&c=htc_leo_htc_firestone_100

I happen to trust PDAdb the most, though, and they also list HSDPA 900/2100, so I'm going to go ahead, and believe that for now. On the other hand, if it is true, then that will suck because it means the Leo will not have AT&T 3G if imported.

Yes, I ended up misreading it since the table is formatted weirdly (or perhaps it's just my browser), but the table is listing HSDPA 1900/2100 to me. This is all confusing me to hell.

Anyway, as for why there aren't more quadband HSDPA phones, interestingly enough, that question was actually posed to HTC themselves, and according to them, the reason is that having only dual bands makes optimization simpler, and it allows for smaller phones. Alternatively, for full worldwide 3G support, PocketPC Thoughts says you would actually need six bands inside the phone.

Link: http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/new...d-world-phones-i-asked-and-they-answered.html
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Dear All,

Hope ur doing great. I'm still under heavy duty with my work (N900 project, Omnia II aka i8000) including of course....the reason of this thread. I keep on garthering every day, through this thread, ur questions regarding Leo and i'm giving 2 all of u my promise by the end of the current week i will :

1) Give photos, taken with Leo's cam for u to check its actual resolution and further compare, along with closer photos with battery cap open ;) So stay tuned.

2) More detailed specs as these will be included on the cell with its manual or in the box set, so no doupt about them (as its about time to have on ur plate the correct nfo)....And that will be done, in order to clear the sky by all those misguided nfo from leaked ROM's out there and stuff from all over net.

3) Run and give u .mkv video results on 720p as requested

4) Of course answer ALL ur questions i will gather till then. Please don't bomb it :D :D

Till then....Keep it low and slow and stay out of troubles ;) Peace and good speed to all of u :)

BR,

B3ler3fonte
[HD2 General] theomni:
You are the man's man.

I'm really looking forward to seeing how the pictures are.

Can you also comment on how easy/hard it is to take pictures with it?

Waht I've noticed about the touch pro is that unless your hands are still, the picture may blur, even with the slightest movement. Please comment on this.
[HD2 General] tbfl:
crossing my fingers for an 850 band SOMEWHERE....
[HD2 General] grandpanda:
One more question about the screen. Is it a glass screen like Iphone? Thanks.
[HD2 General] trap:
Sorry, who is B3ler3fonte?
[HD2 General] omaga:
I must say that cant wait to get this Leo in my hand, I have had a break from HTC devices for 9 months now:p and looking forward to buy me a new HTC device and this is the one :cool: