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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Dalamak:
I've never had problems with HK batteries either, but hasn't this thread been done a few times already?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Tomo:
Hope so, I've just ordered
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
Update time.

PowerTraveller, manufacture of the Power Monkey Classic v1, have sent me a returns form in the email, and have told me that once I've returned it, they'll send a replacement after testing.

Looks like the postage is down to me, though :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] thelordharry:
Roger, if it's any consolation, I've had to do the merry dance that you appear to be doing right now. I bought a v1 just over six months ago and went through the exact process you have described. Just the other day, I received a replacement unit that I'm testing now. My problem was that when my phone was 'next to' empty, I'd plug in the v1 and it would charge to about 50% before itself becoming empty. I know the v1 was full because I had charged it for hours and the LED was green. "Two fulls charges"? Pfffft.

I also got the load of old cobblers from Powermonkey about the USB tips too. How I should use a DOPOD tip instead of a USB one. When I questioned 'why?' I received a half mumbled reply about the tips being internally wired differently. The one that they promised to mail me never arrived so I bought one from the website, being only like £3. Did it make a difference? No.

I don't know how this replacement's going to work out but I have my doubts. Before buying the v1, I bought two other Powertraveller products, the Powerchimp device that runs off two rechargeable AA batteries. I gave up on both of them within a week because even with two fully charged AAs, it seemed to charge my phone for about 30 minutes before being in an empty state and when I looked at my phone (TytnII) it had maybe gained 10% charge. OK if you want to make say one emergency phonecall but useless if you need the equivelent of a fully charged spare battery (or two!!!).

I'm going to monitor how it works out and see if this replacement works and provides at least a full charge and a half. If it doesn't, well, although it'll work on some level, it just doesn't do what it's advertised to do which is very naughty (especially when you see them laud their product all over the internet/Twitter etc as the most amzing thing since bread that has been sliced :)

One day guys, once day I hope the world will see a truly reliable and consistant portable power supply. Maybe in a thousand years, even a reliable solar powered products? :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
hiya - thanks for the heads up. It's be damned nice to see a curcuit diagram of the thing, along with a specific list of components. They try that mumbling stuff with me, they may bite themselves somewhere embarrassing - I'm also a licenced Radio ham in the UK (G1LIW), and as some of you might know, we have to pass tests in the technical aspects of the radio hobby - which includes electronics :p

I'm damned if I know what the preventative difference between a DOPOD and a miniUSB tip, either, by the way, given that the ExtUSB used by HTC only adds maybe 7 contacts to the format while avoiding existing MiniUSB pin locations...

MiniUSB layout...

http://pinouts.ru/Slots/USB_pinout.shtml

ExtUSB layout...

http://pinouts.ru/PDA/htc_extusb_headset_pinout.shtml

The two are not, of course, interchangeable - while MiniUSB plugs will fit into ExtUSB sockets, the reverse is not true.

Anyhow, we will see.

Thanks again for the heads up :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] thelordharry:
Quick test result update.

I let my TytnII (battery, 1350mAh?) drop to 30% battery and then plugged in my fully charged P M Classic. It charged back to 100% and the charge LED was still flashing green. I then plugged in my half empty old Motorola V3, it charged it for approx 30 minutes before flashing red and eventually stopping. 2200mAh!?!? capacity? I bet I didn't consume any more than about a 1000mAh and it was empty.

OK, it's new so this might go up a bit but it really doesn't bode well. OK, so maybe I'll get one full charge out of it but it's advertised as 2200 my phone is 1350, surely it should be up towards about two charges?

Bottom line is, it works but nowhere near as well as it's advertised to do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
OK, received the replacement PM (it's a version 2, not a version 1) in the mail today. They included another DOPOD adaptor tip, too. Guess they figured I'm a clumsy schmuk who may have lost the one they sent me the other week (nope, still got it) :rolleyes:

Anyhow, Turning it on results in rapid green LED blinking, meaning they fully charged it before sending it to me. Which was nice of them :)

However, and interestingly, plugging in a charger to it does NOT result in any LED illuminating. Odd. have to follow that up later.

I'll let you all know how it behaves in charging my phone once I use it "in anger".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] thelordharry:
Be interested to see what you make of it's charge capacity...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
Cured the inability to charge the PowerMonkey problem - it was a rather embarrassing user error - the plug wasn't correctly seated in the mains socket :o

Gonna let the phone drain a bit while I'm on holiday this week, and use the PM to charge it. It's a PMv2, not a PMv1, that they sent as a replacement, remember, so we will see if the thing behaves any better than your v1 :)

Later :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] thelordharry:
After a month or so of tests, I can say my version 2 is 'better' but it still doesn't delivery the one and a half charges it's supposed to. On average, I'd say it fully charges my TYTN2 once and is then empty.

I really can't be bothered to stress about it any more because I guess, one full charge is better than nothing but I think I'm justified in being a little irked that it doesn't do what it's advertised to do?

Conclusion: It works, it'll charge your phone to full from empty and is an alternative to buying a spare battery for your phone. It'll also charge everyone elses phone with the right adapter!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] steviewevie:
Any updates on how you got on, Roger ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
Hiya mate - yeah, sorry, forgot to update (oops!)

OK, full recharge off it worked fine, zero-to-hero (sorry, couldn't resist, it being an HTC and all ;)) in a couple of hours (well, close to three, but it did it anyhow :)) - very nice. Also used it on the same charge to maintain charge level on the phone while using the GPS in the phone to trace an area (OpenStreetmap project), and that worked rather nicely too - GPS was on for an hour, and there was still charge left in the PowerMonkey, despite having had full charge applied and maintained to my TP2.

Next test, in a couple of weeks, will be two full charges to the phone. That, I imagine, will require between two and four days between full charges.

I'll update this after that happens :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] steviewevie:
Thanks for the update Roger.

I was thinking about getting one of these types of devices. I spotted that Maplin currently have this one on sale, at only £19.99 for (supposedly) 3000 mAh it sounds like it could be a bargain.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
Interesting - and by the look of it, a tad easier to cart around in your pocket (it being nice and flat) than the PowerMonkey (which is a bit like a squished plastic banana ;))!

Be interesting to see if it works on the HTC out of the box, so to speak - I get the feeling that these phones are very precice in what power input they accept (i.e. it's gotta be right on the money for the USB power specs, or it won't take the charge). I think this may be why they sent me a PMv2 to repace the PMv1 I had, all things considered :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] steviewevie:
Yep, it (3000mAh Maplin device I linked previously) worked right out of the box, plugged it into my TP2 and the orange "charging" LED came straight on, as you can hopefully see in the pic below. Haven't tested its capacity yet, but so far so good, and for £19.99 seems like a bargain to me :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
Nice. Only one "Hmm..." factor - it's a tad wide for a bog-standard phone pouch, by the look of it, and even with those rounded corners, I can see it causing, and dropping through, a pocket with regular use. Aside from that, nice first look :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] steviewevie:
I don't forsee a problem. It only weighs 88g, so it's very light and the wear on a pocket will be minimal, I think. Anyway, I won a suede-type soft pouch off eBay for it (which looks big enough to me) for 1p and free shipping :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
LOL you jammy *ding dong* *bleep* *boing* wotsit ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] barbo:
I am a noob and I admit I did not read every post in this thread but I searched a bunch of threads and came up empty.

Are the batteries in the different versions of touch pro 2 (Sprint and AT&T's Tilt2 for instance) interchangeable?

TIA
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] SMF_12:
I just purchased that today as it will work with my htc / nokia / ipod ect...

the best bit was the price, £29.99 down to £9.99 :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] papamarik:
Why don't you just go for the original HTC external battery? It is safe and has 2680 mah capacity.

http://shop.htcpedia.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=224
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] batbummer:
i just ordered a battery on ebay, back to your question i think the more the better so 1500
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
shameless plug...

Hey people. If you like making sure you're getting what you're paying for, you'll love my battery testing thread.

Doug
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] SMF_12:
i didnt really want to spend more then £10 :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
OK, mid-term update on the PowerMonkey. Damn thing's stopped working for no apparent reason. Given that I was trying to get charge into mu phone so that I could continue to use it, rather than have it fall over through lack of power, you can imagine how exceedingly angry I was (and still am).

Therefore, I am WITHDRAWING my recommendation for the PowerMonkey as patently, the build quality is not fit for purpose - hells bells, I only got a handful of charges out of the damn thing in just over four months and, frankly, that's bang out of order. I've also lost the damn receipt, so I'm burgered on getting a refund on "Not Fit For Purpose" issues, too. Talk about adding insult to injury.

So.

Anyone got any cheap (I'm not paying 70 bucks for an emergency charger, thanks, that's taking the mickey somewhat) suggestions?

BTW, steviewevie, I had a look on Maplins website, that unit you got does not appear to be listed anymore :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] SMF_12:
go into a maplins store, thats were i saw it, not online. if they havnt got one in stock ask them to track one down for ya.

I got mine from the sutton store and they only had a few left.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] d0ugie:
lies

I've done hundreds of hours of testing with proper equipment, up to ten batteries and counting, and what I've learned is that if it ain't OEM, don't trust the rating. That is not to say that OEMs are the best value, but they are the most reliable. OEM batteries' capacity claims in milliamp hours are, based on my results, defined as they ought to be by discharges from 4.14V to 3.5V, the Touch Pro2's charging and shutdown cutoffs respectively. At 250mA currents the OEMs I've tested get 95% of their claimed capacity (though they would get closer to 100% if I used a lower current, that would take too damn long and 250mA's appropriate). I tested a Mugen 1800mAh and it averaged 1414mAh, the same number that the 1500mAh OEM delivered. The Mugen cost $34, the OEM $15. Mugen (and probably other legit-sounding names) may be playing by a different set of rules than HTC is when crunching the numbers, for example ignoring shutdown cutoffs in their testing and just letting the clock run until the battery can't spit out 50mA anymore (for example), but those numbers are both misleading and irrelevant for consumer purposes.

Be very careful buying ebay OEMs (ebay anything..) as two out of three should-have-been-OEMs that I tested were counterfeit, one of which actually clocked in at 818mAh. But I did find one guy who's legit, linked in the table on the site I linked. Like someone said early on in this thread, be wary of Hong Kong and even more so China, stick to countries who have some kind of standards and laws about not bullshitting consumers excessively.

If any of you have suggestions of what to test next or want to help out and buy your next battery to be shipped to me first to test after which I'd fedex it to you, ... or just to read more about this mess, here's the thread. If there's a third party battery maker out there that can beat the OEM either in rated versus tested capacity claims or dollars per amp hour, I'd love to know about it. Good luck people.

Doug
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] freaknormel:
Good one.. thanks a lot
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] RogerStenning:
OK, I've got a Nexus Power Pack Pro, at the end of the selection process, which was a tad abbreviated - a friend recommended it, from mobilefun.co.uk (click for device info).

It's claimed to be a 2000mAh Li-Po device, and I'm not about to argue the point - it charged my phone from cold, out of the box (comes with an approximate 60% charge, according to the blurb), without any messing around whatsoever. Compare that to the PowerMonkey mini-saga of returning the original to the factory for a (probably specifically HTC Touch Pro 2-compatible tweaked) replacement, and you can see how the two compare - that's right: They don't. The Nexus PPP is miles ahead of the PowerMonkey.

Having then charged the PPP fully, it's already charged my HTC Touch Pro 2 twice, and still has half the "available charge" bars illuminated on pressing the "charge test" button.

In addition, the pouch that comes with the PPP has enough room to contain not only the charger device, but a mains -> USB power converter wall wart, cigar lighter USB converter socket, and all the adaptor tips that came with the device. Now that's serious attention to detail, and I'm very impressed.

For a shade under a score (that's £20 to you!), it's cheaper than the £30 or so for the PM, and much better for all that and more.

EXTREMELY HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
[General Questions and Answers] warnec:
Hi. Just my question for the more experienced guys out there - currently manila 2.5 or 2.6 in all roms can be considered as something as a beta - is there any time when HTC releases something like a final release of new Manila? Perhaps with the release of HTC Leo? Are there any rumored release dates?

And a lil' bit of Leo-specific questions

1) Is Manila in Leo going to be 2.5 or 2.6? What's the difference anyway?

2)The new Manila is propably prepared only for the Leo. I don't doubt that the guys from xda will be able to cook it for Touch HD and Diamond, etc., but will be just as fast as functional? I mean especially

*a new CPU (Leo is supposed to have 1GHz, so will my Touch HD be prepared for this)

*bigger screen (see above)

*Leo is also rumored to be the first WM 6.5- capacitive touchscreen smarthpone. Do you think Manila is going to have any multi-touch functionalities? If so, all of this functionality would've to be stripped and replaced by something other by the xda folks to work fine with resistive touchscreens on HD and other phones.

Thanks for your answers in advance!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Wolfenzi:
easy question - whats the best player for audio on HD ?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] HTC_Clarky:
its a difficult question - for me its s2p
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ArtieQ:
If you mean the most user friendly one, I would suggest Nitrogen player.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] toutatis:
Yes, Nitrogen too. The best !

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=523505
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] samsanchez88:
I used nitrogen player for a while but came across a problem (if it's me please do tell me i'm an idiot 'cause i like this program); i have all my music in different folders by different artists; how can i play ALL my songs randomly???? i can ony manage to play all the songs by one artist (or making a playlist by going to each artist and adding its songs).

Thanks!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] nickch:
nitrogen

i just installed nitrogen a couple of days ago.. and i absolutely love it..

clean interface, easy to use file browser..

beats WMP by miles..
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] aussiebum:
uh, make sure "Recursive Search" is selected in the song browser menu, then go up the to top of the directory where all your songs are stored, tap and hold and select "Append and Play".

eg. if ur music is under \Storage Card\Music, then you tap and hold that folder.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] arturw:
Does anyone use players for audio books?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] arturw:
I have tried a lot of players, all of them not suitable for audio books. When I answer on incoming call couple seconds of the book (about 3 to 8) lost and I need to rewind some.:mad: When you are listening to the music its not a problem, but audio books...

Can anyone suggest me right kind of player?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ergo911:
I'm using Pocket Tunes 4. It's not free and i'll take a look to nitrogen also :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] wollensack:
This is my first reply to a thread.....lol

I just had to add my two cents worth, I have probably tried about 10 different audio players and always come back to Pocket Player, whilst allot of others have fantastic options I find Pocket player has all of the benefits of the others plus more. When the phone rings its pauses, then resumes to the exact spot when the call ends. It can play virtually all types of audio files and has heaps and heaps of settings to configure to your personnel tastes

Good luck
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Disagree with me, if you want, but for a very long time, I found myself with a lack of enthusiasm for HTC's various phones. In-between all the various 'meh' releases, there were some nice phones, but they were always nice for only a few reasons. For example, the Touch HD was nice because it had a large display and supposedly better speakers. The Tough Pro 2 is nice because it's a Touch HD with a keyboard. The HTC Dream was nice because it's the first phone to use something other than Symbian/WinMo/OSX.

Now, however, for the first time in a very long time, an HTC phone came out which I can give more than one or two compliments about. This phone is of course the HTC Leo: http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/14/htc-leo-spotted-in-the-wild-sports-gargantuan-800-x-480-display/

Let me list all of the great things I personally see about the phone:

1) 4.3in WVGA display (that surpasses even the Toshiba TG01)

2) 1Ghz Snapdragon processor; I don't think much of Qualcomm, but an upgrade is an upgrade

3) 320MB RAM

4) Dual LED flash on 8MP camera

My God, those specs are simply awesome, and best of all, it uses my favorite OS: WinMo. More importantly, the specs is perhaps good enough to facilitate an upgrade to WinMo 7 later (at least I dearly hope so). The only thing that could make this phone better is a QWERTY version and a release date not too far off.
[HD2 General] lamborg:
Super specs... :cool: :)
[HD2 General] michd43:
The Leo May NOT Have a Capacitive Screen After All :( - http://pocketnow.com/rumor/the-leo-may-not-have-a-capacitive-screen-after-all
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Resistive or capacitive, not a big deal to me personally. Capacitive is a little better, but resistive is more flexible (gloves & stylus).

That aside, 100% this is the first phone since my Touch Pro to really get me excited, and the first ever non-keyboard WM phone I'll buy. Nice to see an actual device just to prove the doubters wrong (seriously, how the ignored the evidence I don't know). Now we just need to get people to stop referring to it as "Touch Pro 3". It's NOT! Also, for those who haven't noticed, THIS IS NOT A RELEASE DEVICE! You really think HTC will release it as-is with the filler "lorem ipsum" text on the back? Sheesh...

Pretty obvious this device's main job is as a tesbed for WM7, the specs of this and WM7 are almost 100% aligned. HTC might not release the upgrade come the time, but the good folk here cetainly will.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Well, to be honest, I didn't even know the Leo was supposed to have a capacitive screen to begin with. Besides, I really do prefer a resistive screen. The screen is good enough as it is; perhaps it could be a bit better if it were AMOLED, but otherwise, meh.
[HD2 General] Aqrab:
WOW its a Godzilla

very big device because of the screen

but really killer phone

with the 1024mhz cpu , thats really fast

but its not for me

i like a smaller device

3.6 screen is good for me , touch pro 2 is good but it has a turtle CPU and have a screen gap

im very confused now

i think ill go for samsung omnia 2 or omnia pro
[HD2 General] skuliaxe:
Does it fit in a regular pocket? Is it still a PocketPC :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Gadgety:
Although you may be disappointed, to me a resistive screen makes me WANT it. I prefer a resistive screen because it can run software that would be untenable on a capacitive screen. So thank you for the good news!
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Unlikely, I don't think the CPU is 1024Mhz. More likely than not, it's probably 990-995Mhz and they round it up.

Yes, I don't mind any device so long as it has at least a 3.5in screen. As someone who has been a former user of the HTC Hermes and a current user of the HTC Raphael, I tend to get sick using devices with small screens, and low res.

However, I don't doubt you for thinking of the Omnia II or B7610. I myself was actually planning on buying the B7610.

My friend, you are speaking to someone who use to pocket devices like the HP Jornada 548, Palm TX, Ti-85 calculator, and many, many other similar objects. The HTC Leo will not be a problem.
[HD2 General] Aqrab:
htc leo is a multi touch screen device

see this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=026KGhk29Io
[HD2 General] hagba:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7764

may be you should check this up..
[HD2 General] scote:
Isn't multi touch a requirement or goal of wm7?

In any case LEO is attractive to me due to the large screen, my eyes arent as good as they used to be and snapdragon should make it zippy
[HD2 General] 11sec_lx:
Is it safe to assume that there is no release date or even any info on what carrier(s) may get it? Sorry for the newbie type question.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
You are right.

Till now, Its not 100% clear about anything about Leo.

Even the complete ACTUAL specifications. Like video call support, Camera resolution, keyboard support, etc.
[HD2 General] Zzim:
Way too big for a phone the TP2 is pushing it a bit and this size crosses the line for alot of people.
[HD2 General] 11sec_lx:
Thanks skr_xd!
[HD2 General] lude219:
So a fraction of a millimeter more in size is considered crossing the line now? Maybe if you balls weren't in a vice grip from wearing those skinny jeans, you may find that they will fit in a pants/shirt pocket just fine.

Crossing the line would be the same group of people who ***** about every slim phones for not having a QWERTY keyboard or running on androids.

Please dont soil this masterpiece of a beast with your trite.