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[HD2 General] grapefruitstudio:
AMOLED

I'm not too sure about the AMOLED being that superior to be honest, granted in low-light conditions it wins hands down for clarity but In anything other than that particularly outside they tend to go milky white. I guess if you don't use your phone much outdoors then it's not an issue but think about it if your looking for using it as a sat nav replacement as I do. In terms of battery life as well, how many apps have been optimised for AMOLED screens? (black is good for them most apps don't follow that so battery life differences are nominal)

Again the TV-out for me is no biggy, If I want to see something on a big screen I use my PC, but it is kind of neat if you want to bore your freinds with a slideshow of your recent holiday to Egypt ;)

Front-facing camera, really how many people actually use this? I would be interested to know, I have only used the feature once in a 'oh look I can see your face and that, cool' kind of way so again no loss.

Now the dedicated camera button is where you get me, It's hard enough to keep the phone stable in order to take a photo with a dedicated button let alone trying to hold the phone steady and press the screen at the same time, seeing as the edge of the leo is mostly empty (and considering the volume slider is on the other side) how hard would it have been to add one?

I use my phones mostly for business not pleasure so I probably have a different view to most, I want a big screen so that I can use sat nav, view my mails and get at the net from everywhere and I like a cracking proc' so that everything works at a fluid pace. I also like minimalist design black, grey and NOT shiny fingerprint magnets.

Also in terms of design I could never get my head round that cube thing on the omnias I don't think it looks that great to be honest but each to their own like a large ammount of people think Jordan's hot but I think shes not all that, hehe ;)
[HD2 General] Gregg001:
Hi MrEdwardK

I don’t have any confirmation of no FM but I suspect on other previous models they were incorporated in the chipset and so far no Snapdragon phone has had an FM radio.

Also no specs, speculative or not, that I have seen has mentioned one. I hope I’m wrong as I like to use my phone as a Swiss Army Knife of electronic devices
[HD2 General] clubtech:
3rd version probably out by the end of 2010....when the device is old news and much better devices are available. look at the TP2..at&t STILL hasn't released it while Europe has it for more than 6 months now and the other US carriers only now just released it.

Don't get your hopes up folks.
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Whats about that:

U can see a FM Radio ...
[HD2 General] remella:
bump

+1 from a silent reader :cool: Thanks B3ler3font!
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Hi Gregg001, That would really be bad news, I Hope the few known specs on the Xperia X3 here http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Sony-Ericsson-Xperia-X3-phone-m_662-pa_3841.html are correct...then there might still be hope
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
Lack of FM radio is not a huge problem, as most radio stations are available online and can stream over EDGE and probably a decent GPRS connection too. I can't get any more info on the HD2 from O2 other than what's in their brochure...
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Hi impreZzA, thanks...

...that was one of the reasons why I decided to forget about the TG01.

Also do you know if 'Mobile Wifi router' would enable me to connect my wifi enabled laptop and possibly other devices simultaneously to the internet using the Leo with no wires!...had previously tried to exclusively use my phone to buy flight and coach tickets and was stopped at the final hurdle when I realised I needed to access the internet on my laptop to print the tickets!

probably easy if i had a wifi printer...It would be great if I could somehow use the USB host to print straight from the phone, can't tell from this http://www.htc.com/us/faqs.aspx?p_id=198&cat=0&id=72332 If thats what 'JETCET PRINT 5' will enable me to do!?

This picture suggests HTC are trying....
[HD2 General] bogdatov:
FM is there

According to WMPoweruser.com

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8487

Operating System:

Microsoft Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional

Screen:

Size: 4.3 inches

Resolution: 800×480 pixels

Touch: Yes, Capacitive

Processor:

Type: Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250

Clock Speed: 1 Ghz

Memory:

RAM: 320 Mb

Internal Flash Storage: 512 Mb

Expansion: microSD up to 16 GB

Physical Dimensions:

Size: 67 x 121 x 11 mm

Camera:

Main: 5 megapixel

Video call: No

Flash: Dual LED

Audio

3.5 mm headphone jack

Connectivity

HSDPA, WIFI, Bluetooth, USB Host

GPS: Yes

Battery: 1230 mAh, Removable

Other:

Digital Compass, FM Radio

G-Sensor, Light sensor, Proximity sensor
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
USB Host + Camera Flash = Awesomeness. Especially the former is something I've been wanting on a WM phone for quite some time :)
[HD2 General] gadgetguy1111:
Clearly, MSD is the baseline, it would be gd if printers can be supported too for host mode....
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
That's not real flash, that's just two LEDs. More like a flashlight.
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Good Morning,

If I got it right, wifi mobile router means u can use ur phone to imitate a real router. I am not quite sure if this means u can establish a mobile connection e.g via 3G and use this app to enable internet access to ur laptop.

With Wlan it works without any problems.

@MrEdwardK :U are right!

Edit: This program exists for a lot of htc devices http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4170499 I dont know who got it first, the xda or htc :-) Nonetheless its a good program :)

I asked myself the question about the jetcet printer a couple of times,too :)

Without trying it once, I would guess it means u can send print objects via bluetooth. I believe to remember that there is an option in Office Mobile "print" ...
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
so, I have a few questions about features/functionality

Just to set the scene, I moved from my touch HD to an iphone a few weeks ago. Some of the things about the iphone incredible, some are quite frankly...pants!!

so,

a really nice feature of the iphone is the screen blanking when on a call. I used to hate hacing to turn my screen back on when I was making a call on the HD. On the iphone, the screen blanks when you put the phone to your ear, but then turns on again when you take it away (if you need access to the keyboard for example)...a fantastic feature. Does the Leo have this?

I wont mention how much better a capacitive screen is than a resistive..go to your local apple shop and try the screen...it's stunning..and going back to resistive is very hard when you'r used to just the merest touch of the capacitive, so thank god the leo has this.

still no word on the compass though? conflicting reports all over the web on that one.

The notification LED on the HD was too small (and missing compeltely on the iphone), so does the LEO have a better one? it looks like it's on the front next to the speaker so at least it should be clearer.

I'm curious about the power connector, I understand it's a micro-USB? I thought all mobile phones were moving towards standardizing on a mini-USB. This just means my current cables, chargers etc wont work as they are mini-usb...not a great problem I suppose though.

Lastly, whats the volume like, both on a call (which was always too quiet on my previous HTC phones) and for notification sounds? I used to miss a few messages on my old phone because the notification volume was pretty low, and modifying the sound volume would only cause it to distort.

Are the buttons on the front illuminated? I have to admit that they appear to stand a little proud of the device, which is a shame as I used to like the smooth front of my HD (and the smooth iphone front is the same) just would have liked the buttons to be backlit.

I think that's it for now...thanks
[HD2 General] Der_Immitanz_konverter:
As far as I know it does. This is what the proximity sensor is responsible for. (leo has one? i think yes)

No, micro usb is going to be standard.
[HD2 General] orb3000:
More HTC Leo/HD2 TouchFLO 3D 2.5 Action

In this follow up video, we take a closer look at some features of this new version of TouchFLO 3D, such as the choice of animated wallpapers for the home tab/Start menu, plus the new functionality added to the weather panel. We also get to see the updated waiting cursor for the Leo, plus a feature that allows the device to automatically adjust the weather and time based on where you are located.

http://www.xatakamovil.com/sistemas...hflo-3d-25-fondos-animados-y-panel-del-tiempo
[HD2 General] dugald5:
This might sound a bit dumb, but how does the USB host function? Is there a micro-usb to female USB adapter, and you can then plug generic usb devices straight into the device? Does it power the USB deices? How can you still charge the phone while it is connected to a USB device or will it just run flat?
[HD2 General] vicie:
Hallo all

I have a stange question maybe. How is multitouch rendered. Only software,or also hardware?

greetz victor
[HD2 General] claude4:
I am Totally confused; Is Leo gouing to work on AT&T's USA network?

Good day,

I am an Athena user in need of a large screen WinMo replacement and the Leo seems to be a great phone BUT having read everything I can from all kinds of websites I am TOTALLY confused about a definitive answer on Leo's ability to operate FULLY on AT&T's USA network frequencies. I see specs that seem to support this possibility and then read comments about it not having the proper radio frequencies.

Does anyone know FOR SURE about the Leo working on AT&T's network?

I am in desperate need of a new phone and would be willing to pay the price as I did for the Athena a couple of years back.

Thanks in advance for any info on this particular point.

Claude H.
[HD2 General] maati:
Yes, it does.

And by the way, there's a utility called 'Touch Incall Screen Tweak' that does this trick on all current HTC devices, using the accelerometer and light sensor to detect when you take away the phone from your ear. It works perfectly.

It's pretty much confirmed that it has the compass. The question is, whether developers will take advantage of it.

Yes, it's got the notification LED next to the speaker.

They're standardizing on microUSB. This means that your current cables won't work, but later this will be an advantage as all phones (except for the iPhone) will have microUSB.

Don't know about this one, but actually all my HTC phones were a lot louder than the iPhone 3G I had for a few weeks.

Yes, they are.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Hmm, well that sucks. Isn't calling it an LED-Flash false advertising then? I mean, if it doesn't actually flash, what's the point? :(

I assumed that this (bold) was the case... otherwise what would the point of USB Host be?
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
I believe that Apple have also agreed to the standard.
[HD2 General] maati:
Those two LEDs actually do flash when you take a picture. They're not always on of course. However, they're not as bright as a real Xenon flash (= the type of flash you find in real cameras).

On the other hand, putting a Xenon flash in a 11mm thin handset is impossible, because it needs huge capacitors. That's why there's almost no handsets with Xenon flash on the market.

Dual LED is much better than what most other camera phones have to offer (= one single LED). Another advantage is that you can use the LEDs as a flash light, which is impossible with a Xenon flash.

Yes, but that does not mean that they will use microUSB on their phone. They will still use their ****ty dock port and only include an adapter, which is kind of pointless.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Good to know. So you're pretty much saying the flash is useless, but not as useless as other LED-flashes? :p
[HD2 General] maati:
Well, I wouldn't say it's useless. It's definitely better than having no flash at all, or only one LED.

In a low light environment, it will help a lot. If there's almost no light or if it's completely dark, then it won't help.

You can have a look at this comparison between single LED, dual LED and Xenon: http://blog.xonio.com/title_49-20081113/

As you can see, single LED is useless in most cases, but dual LED is good as long as it's not completely dark.

Here's another comparison (in English this time): http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/Camera_Nitty_Gritty-part_2.php

And one more: http://zomgitscj.com/dual-led-flash-vs-xenon-flash/

You can see from the comparisons that a single LED is pretty much useless, but dual LEDs produce almost as many light as a Xenon flash. However, the colors aren't as good and the pictures are more blurred because the LEDs don't flash as 'fast' as a Xenon flash.

I'm not an expert in this area, but afaik the camera chip requires a certain minimum amount of light. One LED cannot deliver enough, while two LEDs can. This is why a dual LED flash is so much better than a single LED. However, LEDs can not flash as 'fast' as a Xenon flash and have a lower range, which is why a Xenon flash results in less blur and better colors.

All in all, I'd say dual LED is the perfect compromise, because other than a single LED it is not completely useless, and other than Xenon, it doesn't require the phone to be at least 15-17mm thick.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Cool, thanks for the links :)

-edit- Bhahaha, took me like 5 minutes to realize that the first link was in German. :D
[HD2 General] bugsy:
We still don't have definitive answers on what versions will be released. For ATT it will need 850Mhz 3G support. Even if they don't bring it to the U.S. it is very likely there will be an Australian variant which means you will be able to import one and have it work, just like folks do today with the Telstra version of the HD.
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
But the thing is that the differences come from the actual chips themselves, not the motherboard. For example, say you have a motherboard that supports AMD CPUs and you install an AMD X2 4200+. If you were to upgrade the motherboard to a newer one that also supports AMD CPUs, but you keep the original AMD X2 4200+, you would see no differences in performance.

On the other hand, if you keep the same motherboard, but upgrade the AMD CPU to an X2 6400+, you would notice a huge increase in performance. See what I mean? The difference is in the chips; the motherboard is just a mean to support those chips.

This is actually an entirely different matter than CPUs. The loss of performance you experienced most likely came as a result of GPU changes. I'm guessing you were using the integrated graphics card that motherboards provides instead of a dedicated graphics card? If that is the case, then your performance (particularly in games) will certainly lower if you move to a motherboard with a weaker integrated graphics solution.

On the other hand, likewise with CPUs, if you had a dedicated graphics card, then you should have seen no performance decrease with a change of motherboards.
[HD2 General] bloedfisch:
Dual LED in Videomode?

Hello B3ler3fonte!

Thank you for the informations we are waiting for. I´ve got a question, too. Is it possible to switch on the DualLED in the Videomode? :confused: Can you please test ist?

Thank you very much! :)
[HD2 General] mojohio:
By having it "work", would it be a scenario where you could use voice/data, but would be restricted to EDGE? Then you could use the WI-FI for faster internet access? -or- Does it would "work" mean the Australian variant would be able to use the US AT&T 3G bandwidth along with all EDGE and WI-FI services?

Thanks in advance for the advice. With the Tilt2 coming out in a few days, I can't put my money and a 2-year committment into that phone, when it could be possible to get the Leo/HD2 (even though a little more costly). This phone is exactly what I would want, especially if it could be possible to work on all the frequencies of the US AT&T netowork, including their 3G.
[HD2 General] MrEdwardK:
Just rang T-mobile

HTC Touch 2 : on T-mobile UK confirmed for the 6th October

(T-mobile have specs available on system)

HTC Touch HD2 : on T-mobile UK confirmed for the 12th October

(T-mobile do NOT have specs available yet on system)
[HD2 General] hunter44:
Yeah, gsmarena is confirming that HTC HD2 will be available on T-Mo soon

http://www.gsmarena.com/tmobile_to_house_htc_touch_hd2_and_htc_touch2-news-1153.php
[HD2 General] bugsy:
There will likely be multiple variants of the Leo for the different regions. All of them will be quadband voice and edge meaning they will will on ATT's network for voice and EDGE speed data. For it to work on 3G it will need 850MHz WCDMA which the Telstra version should offer. This would give you 3G data speeds in addition to simultaneous voice just like any of ATT's 3G Winmo devices. ATT is moving all 3G to 850MHz by the end of the year so having 1900MHz 3G is not that critical. Hope that helps to understand the picture.
[HD2 General] claude4:
Thank you for the clarification and allowing us AT&T USA users to hold out hope to be able to use the Leo to its fullest capabilities. I have sent an email off to Telstra asking the question of availability and willingness to export\sell to someone in the USA. Has anyone here in the USA bought from them? Is it risky to buy from a place off in a far land as Australia? Will I need to unlock it B4 using it on AT&T's network?

No joking, I would do it if available and safe to do.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Claude H.
[HD2 General] merkman:
Claude,

I understand your willingness, and I share it. 2 years ago when my Cingular 8525 started "white screening" do to the cable that most never know about between the keyboard and screen halves of the device... I bought a HTC Touch Cruise from J&R.com. I had considered buying from MANY out of the country sources, but fortunately there was enough interest in the phone that I was able to buy from the NY-based company instead. The device arrived as promised, and has worked well. Though I did put a couple VERY minor scratches on the device at the Seahawks game last weekend.

I've been anxious for the Diamond2, but that was until I saw the Leo. Now the HD2 is my focus, but price and availability are killing my mood. I hear I might be able to get a Topaz today from AT&T if I go look, and I'm thinking of doing so. There are already unlock tools, and Leo roms to install.

Just not sure besides the faster proc what the main differences between a Diamond2 and a Leo are. Going to go look at GSMArena and see if they compare the two.
[HD2 General] claude4:
Hi Merkman,

Besides processor speed don't forget screen size.

You did see this: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=7989

I'm guessing I will need to buy one from Telstra and come back to the good folks at XDA to unlock and flash with a Leo ROM that will work in USa or someone will come up with a ice wizard to configure a Telstra HD2 to work on AT&T.

Man, I paid dearly for my X-7501 on amazon, was hoping to have the same option for the HD2. At least I know Amazon, dn't know anything about buying from Telstra.

Claude H.
[HD2 General] mojohio:
Claude4-

Could you please post Telstra's reply to your email? I would be interested in pulling off the same move and would like to know: a) their advice on if everything would work on US ATT 3G bands, and b) what mod's would need to be executed (if any) to pull it off? Thanks again.
[HD2 General] claude4:
You know I will. Hoping they even boher to answer me.

Hopefully others will have some other ideas for us wayward US people.

;)

Claude H.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
No, the choice of motherboard can make a substantial difference to performance; that was my whole point. Even at the very crudest level you must surely realise that (to take just one example out of a choice of hundreds) some motherboards support dual- or triple-channel memory access, while others don't? That makes an enormous difference to available memory bandwidth. Then there are differences in the hard drive controller, differences in the network controller, and different bus types and speeds that affect communication between north and south bridges. Prior to CPUs acquiring on-die memory controllers, the performance of the north bridge chip could make a huge difference to both the bandwidth and latency involved in the CPU accessing main memory. If you go back even further, the level 2 cache was situated on the motherboard rather than on the CPU. Different boards permit different memory timings with the same memory modules. Different boards allow different numbers of PCIe channels. I could go on literally for hours without covering alll of the different ways in which motherboards influence performance.

Different boards have different chips on - it's not surprising they perform differently. If two boards use exactly the same chipset and the same peripheral controller chips they will likely perform similarly - otherwise they won't.

That would be quite a trick, given that I was using the same AGP video card in both instances. Every component in the system was the same, including the video card and the CPU. The only difference was the motherboard; and yet, in some games, my frame-rate fell to less than half of its previous value. The original board was a high-performance one, designed for gaming PC's; the replacement was a cheap one designed for use in business PC's. The main thing that caused the difference, I think, was that the replacement board didn't allow efficient communication between the video card and main memory along the AGP bus. I imagine the CPU's ability to access main memory at decent speeds and with respectable latency was also adversely affected. There were probably other factors - hard drive performance dropped slightly as well.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
B3ler3fonte: You rock!

More coming, by any chance? :D
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Holy Crap!

Thanks B3ler3fonte, for all the info and your time! (my conspiracy theory is that you have come from outer space using the HD2 as some kind of portal)

As I'm not very educated in video benchmarks could anyone translate the numbers in the video test into somekind of more understandable language? :-)
[HD2 General] ronin1973:
From a silent member; I thank you.

I doubt anyone can complain about those specs!
[HD2 General] Der_Immitanz_konverter:
B3ler3fonte, thank you!
[HD2 General] grayme:
At the risk of sounding lame, what does the case look like and what is it made from? :)
[HD2 General] trap:
Thanks a lot B3ler3fonte
[HD2 General] gpietron:
Leo's weight?

this piece of information still missing ...
[HD2 General] grayme:
It must be soon in O2, the other page from the O2 buyer's guide says 'Choose your tariff. Samsung Galaxy i7500 and HTC HD2 are available on a range of Pay Monthly tariffs. Ask in-store for the latest prices'

It doesn't appear anywhere else in the magazine though.
[HD2 General] grayme:
Hello to wmpoweruser.com, you guys are keeping up well. :)

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8517
[HD2 General] milka:
Telstra are staffed by the spawn of Satan and the CEO eats babies for breakfast. I should know, I worked for them for 4 years.

Some of the above may be a slight exaggeration, Claude, but one thing that isn't is how much of a ripoff Telstra are. Most of the Aussies I know that have a Touch HD, myself included, actually imported them from the UK because it was so much cheaper than buying Telstra's, and if you're not on Telstra's network in Australia, there's not much point buying the Telstra version. The other operators here are 900/2100 anyway.

Hurry up HTC, release this damn phone already. My HD is now 11 months old! Not used to going so long with 1 phone!

Cheers,

milka
[HD2 General] -NRG-:
Thank you for all the information and time you put in answering our questions, it cleared up a lot.

Since i read t-mobile and o2 had exclusivity does this mean in the Netherlands t-mobile will have exclusivity as well (we don't have o2)? And if so for how long?

I'm not sure you know this but i just had to ask since it would really s**k because i would like to stick with vodafone but i want this phone as well and i really don't want t-mobile..

I'm sorry if i misunderstood your story, my english might not be good enough.