yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[HD2 General] czbird:
Wow, totally amazed. Simply, I just can't wait to get my hands on this masterpiece. Guess I've never been so hungry about a WM device to have. Despite the one and only thing it's missing - a d-pad :)
[HD2 General] diaf:
wow!!! B3ler3fonte

surely uve crossed some sort of line by now?

such a giving person ;)
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Am I being blind or Opera isn't mentioned in the specs? Are we getting IE as default browser?
[HD2 General] deyanp:
YEEEESSSSS! Digital compass is included!!!

Thanks B3ler3fonte!!!
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
Surprising that there is no decent-sized internal storage? Also, hopefully Opera is pre-installed...
[HD2 General] l3v5y:
Not in the ROM I've got... :p
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
Interesting. Even thought B3ler3fonte confirmed that HD2 has USB host I can't find it anywhere in the official specs... There should be micro-USB -> USB female cable in the accessories...
[HD2 General] l3v5y:
One thing that intrigues me is that this is apparently coming with WM6.5.1?

When is the device likely to be here by? WM6.5.1 is still very beta, and this device clearly isn't. Also, none of the ROMs I've had through my hands have been WM6.5.1, they've all been WM6.5.
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
Yes, it's been in the leaked ROMs, and I'm using a leaked Leo 9.7, that's why I was surprised to see no mention of Opera in these specs.
[HD2 General] l3v5y:
In a few of the pictures there's the model ID printed (above the IMEI sticker, below the BT image), with PB81100. Naturally, I had to do some digging. The only mention of it I found was in this massive XML (as ID 452).

http://my.cloud9-mobile.co.uk/handsetsxml.cfm?l=H

From there, it supports "GSM 1800,GSM 1900,GSM 900,GSM850 (GSM800),HSDPA,HSUPA,WCDMA FDD Band I,WCDMA FDD Band VIII" with "No Issues".

.

Oddly, that's the only mention of it Google has... :s
[HD2 General] Spartoi:
Aw, so no the Leo doesn't come with a MicroSD card eh.
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
Maybe this little quote that i noticed on one off the WM sites, can shed some light on the mater?

Those builds that you are using are from the 23XXX branch if i'm correct? So, they will probably just rename it as 6.5.1... ;) Who knows ...
[HD2 General] l3v5y:
That doesn't really help. WM6.5.1 is set for release sometime next year... And is nowhere near finished!
[HD2 General] mightymn:
hey B3ler3fonte! nice work really!

What about 720p video playback tests ? I couldn't find them in your posts

thanx
[HD2 General] :
From one of the videos I saw on Leo a few weeks ago, the ROM on that device was over amonth old.

Telstra is getting the Leo, and so that will be USA 3G. same with the HD type thing.
[HD2 General] bugsy:
There are quite a few Australian based ebay resellers for the HD. Most of them are now clearing inventory for the Leo so I expect you'll be able to pick one up pretty easily. Most of these ebay vendors have a good reputation.
[HD2 General] denco7:
Am I the only one that is still very skeptical about this whole thing. We hear nothing about the Leo from Htc. All the info and easily photoshopped pictures seem to be coming from one person., whose credentials and authority have yet to be divulged.

Like the Microsoft " cease and desist " letters from a few months ago, does anyone else smell hoax ? Why would HTC make some sort of super phone , when their business model has always been to make middle of the road , highly feature compromised phones in several different styles. If this phone truely comes out with all these supposed specs at an even near ( Xperia sort of ) affordable price, how do they ever figure they will sell any other type of phone ? Everytime I follow a link to any info on any other site I google or bing, the info always seems to be attributed to ( not HTC ) but to one person.

Sorry for being a doubter. I just saw how the MS hoax spread through this community like wildfire and everyone , from Flar on down treated it like it was gospil.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
It is also mentioned on page 3 (4th point in the "Why O2" section) - it's implied there that O2 has some sort of exclusivity deal, as it says the iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre, Samsung Galaxy and HTC HD2 can only be found on O2...

Also, B3ler3fonte, thanks so much for the information! I'm even more excited about the HD2 now, which I was already planning to get no matter what the price is! But you didn't answer my question - perhaps someone with a ROM based on one of the leaked HD2 ROMs can answer it for me? The lack of tab bar in the new landscape modes of the "Photos and Videos" and "Music" tabs imply that none of the other tabs have landscape modes - is that correct?
[HD2 General] br3nt:
you probably are, yes.... of course you're not gonna hear anything from HTC :p

so what? some dude (really sorry if im mistaken here) posts info with photoshoped pictures and gets your hopes up, (thanks very much for the info so far B3ler3fonte!!), does this crush your world? Dont wanna be a douschebag here, not out picking a fight, but cmon - this information doesnt change the fact that the Leo is coming soon, and when it arrives we will have it black on white if the information was correct or if it was hoax.

So give it time and maybe the "trust-issues" will be settled

*off to bed dreaming about the Leo* :D
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
I got two copies of the new O2 brochure from an O2 store yesterday - a phone that looks like the leaked pictures, called the HTC HD2, is definitely in that brochure. Also, if you're not convinced, you can get some official information on some of the the specs, from the links here: http://www.g400.co.uk/blog/pl/technology/htc_hd2 (specifically, this link: http://www.htcmms.com.tw/gen/HTC_HD2_T8585-1.0.xml)

B3ler3fonte is doing a great job filling in the gaps for us, and nothing he/she has said seems unreasonable, so I'm going with his/her specs.
[HD2 General] Noam23:
How much does the HTC Leo weigh ????????, if it's more than the HTC HD it's a huge deal breaker, since the HD is so damn heavy already.
[HD2 General] :
Isn't it supposed to have an 8mpx camera? You listed a 5mpx one. Is it wrong, where rumours incorrect or did HTC decided to downgrade the camera?
[HD2 General] ZenithUK:
Hi, I'm another silent reader on this thread but I've been following it all with great interest.

If this is a hoax or some sort of wind-up, the amount of time and effort put into it is astounding. For that reason alone, I think B3ler3fonte is the real deal.

My personal message to B3ler3fonte is thank you for all the information and photos that you've provided. I'm sure you've swayed many people's decision towards this handset. I also get the impression that you have either been given a silent nod from someone "higher up" to release the info, or you *ARE* the person "higher up" to have the authority to speak out about the phone's features and capabilities. Either way, I don't mind at all.

I have the PAC for my wife's contract. I will be using it to get this phone at the earliest opportunity. :)
[HD2 General] OldManChild:
Bit of a silly question but does the Leo have an FM Radio or does the hardware support it? The hope is that even if the Leo doesn't have it, a 3rd Party App will enable it.

Some of us still rely on good ol FM radio some of the time
[HD2 General] OldManChild:
BƐlerɛfonte,

Previous question quickly withdrawn.

I note, a few pages earlier, that you had stated that an FM Radio indeed, was included.

Nuff Respect Bɛll :-)
[HD2 General] -NRG-:
Memory / Internal Storage

ROM: 512 MB / RAM: 320 MB / HD: 207.13MB

512+320+207=1039 i would almost think that it just has 1gb of fast flash and that the rom is at this moment just 497MB so it would make 1024. I know rom and ram is usually different but 207 is a weird amount and 512+207=719 wouldn't make much sense either. All though 720:8 would make 90.

I made this up since it would meet the windows mobile 7 specs:

Memory: 256MB+ DRAM, 1G+ Flash (at least 512MB fast flash – 5MB/s unbuffered read @4K block size)
[HD2 General] agitprop:
I believe that the "HD" refers to the amount of ROM storage not used by the system ROM. I could be totally wrong though.
[HD2 General] gadgetguy1111:
Thanks very much B3ler3fonte
[HD2 General] skotten:
I would very much like to know if there is going to be an USB host support for the handset, since it's not included in the official spec. release, even though it was earlier confirmed unofficially by the man upstairs?

Best regards Skotten.
[HD2 General] BoyBawang2:
Question:

1. Is the screen SCRATCH RESISTANT??

2. Is it capable of more than 65k colors if upgraded to WM7?

thanks
[HD2 General] maati:
@denco7

Just shut the f*ck up. Really.

I mean, what's wrong with you?! What else do you want?! We've seen the Leo mentioned on HTC's own servers, we've seen it in O2's October brochures, we've seen it in T-Mobile promotional material, we've seen pictures from lots of different sources, we have the ROMs where you can even see the Leo in the intro, boy, we've even seen a video!

Nobody says you must believe what B3ler3fonte tells us. But frankly, if you still don't believe that the Leo exists, you must be an idiot.

And if you don't believe B3ler3fonte, then just keep your dumb conspiracy theories for yourself and don't post that bull**** here on the forums, because you're only gonna cause harm.

B3ler3fonte has given us every kind of proof we can expect. Those who posted stupid conspiracy theories here have proven nothing, so just shut up now.
[HD2 General] remella:
+1. Thanks for the great job B3ler3fonte!
[HD2 General] grayme:
I see that now. However, to quote it fully it says:

"Why O2.

There's a bundle of reasons why we're the the best network for you

.

.

.

4 The home of smartphones: iPhone 3GS, Palm Pre, Samsung Galaxy i7500, HTC HD2 - you can only find all these phones at O2.

.

."

For me the key is the word 'all', as Palm Pre is exclusive to O2, you can only get all these phones at O2, but you may be able to get some from other networks, including the Leo if T-mobile stories are true.

Personally, I need to know if this is going to be classed as an XDA as I can't get 30% off line rental on the eyefone 3GS, nor XDA's. Maybe retentions (in May :() will do something anyway.
[HD2 General] seeraeuber:
LEO - Test and Reporting

+1. From a silent member; I thank you too.
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
Yeah, that's the only think that stops me from saying that they have definitely got an exclusivity deal. But AFAIK, they have exclusivity deals on the 3GS, Pre and Galaxy, so they may be making a mess of saying that they have one on the HD2.

Also, I've never seen HTC mentioned by O2 in any way before, so I would guess that it's not going to be an Xda (changing it to an Xda after listing it as the HTC HD2 would confuse most people). It'll be interesting to see whether it gets special treatment like the Xdas, iPhones, Pre and Blackberrys or is just listed as a standard "Pay Monthly" phone...
[HD2 General] rorydaredkign:
I am pretty sure the first few pages are listed as their "smartphones" so tehy may rehash it as normal phones, then mix BB, iPhone, Pre and HD2 (and other WM phones) into the "smartphones" category. (top left of the first 4 right hand pages says "O2 Home of Smartphones"

And with the USB host thing, having had an Athena which had usb host, it did not come with a thing in the box for it, had to pay £15 for it and was hard to get hold of.

But on the same subject, is it UBS Host 2.0 or 1.1? Because I used 1.1 and it may as well have not existed, the MisroSD is way faster...
[HD2 General] br3nt:
please search or read ;)

as seen in the full specs:

/ Micro-USB: / USB 2.0 High-Speed client /
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
Client is not the same as host. Client can only connect to PC where with host you can connect devices to smartphone like to PC.

You could even connect another smartphone if connected at mass storage mode and browse its files.
[HD2 General] br3nt:
you're right, my bad! :o

they ought to use 2.0 and not 1.1, thats ancient
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
Still there is no confirmation inside the spec sheet that there is in fact USB host function. The only confirmations comes from B3ler3fonte. Maybe HTC decided to remove it from final product...
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
:(

I wanted to use the HD2 as a smartbook. :p
[HD2 General] Wishmaster89:
To make it a proper smartbook we would need to add keyboard and hdmi :p
[HD2 General] br3nt:
im pretty sure about the answer, but asking wont kill so:

since its micro-usb, will the Leo support CR G300 cradle? currently using it with the Diamond2 so can I just sell it with the diamond to buy Leo? :P

a bit dusty...
[HD2 General] maati:
No, the Leo won't fit in that cradle.
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
But they all have numbers (yours is #416) so you could quote them rather than a big message.
[HD2 General] Frazze70:
Hi, another silent (usually at least) reader who wants to express his thanks to B3ler3fonte in particular and to this wonderful forum in general.

According to French site Mobifrance.com , Orange France has unofficially confirmed the Leo for release on Nov 12. Let's just hope for the best ;-)
[HD2 General] Brainscanner:
Hey folks,

does anyone know if the Leo has video telephony? The specs just talk about a "Main camera", but I don't see anything that confirms or denies a second camera.

Do you see a front camera on that picture?

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b65/NyoR/SNC00024.jpg
[HD2 General] claude4:
So it is true then? HD2 will work in USA\AT&T\850Mhz high speed band

I am most grateful for B3ler3fonte efforts in giving us a clear heads up on the HD2.

With regard to AT&T compatibility; am I correct in understanding that as long as I am in AT&T's 850 MHz coverage area I will have full 3G or is it HSUPA data speeds?

Additionally, I have noted that expansys-usa is now listing the HD2 as preorder without a price yet. I have sent off an email to their sales dept. to see what further info they might have to offer about ETA and pricing. If I get an answer, I will post it here.

Once more thanks B3ler3fonte for your guidance. Please don't nail me for asking the above question AGAIN as I will end up most likely buying this phone for some outrageous price and want to be certain that I am not going to buy a crippled phone that wont work to its fullest potential in the USA.

Claude H.
[HD2 General] Benjiro:
There is no secondary camera on the Leo. Repeat after me... There is no secondary camera on the Leo. There is no Spoon ...

The Left arrow on the picture indicated where the status leds are. And the Right arrow, indicated the speakers.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Hey guys this is for those that are saying this is one big scam. Case for leo by noreve, even though there's no picture. http://www.noreve.com/langue/en.html

Look at the bottom of the list below HTC Tatoo.
[HD2 General] Brainscanner:
What a pitty. I must admit that I have never used that feature in the past due to the high provider charges. But it was always nice to have it available.
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Can no longer use the front cam as a mirror. But imagine a mirror protector on that huge screen.
[HD2 General] Canterbury:
i hope that the 3.5 audio jack placement doesn't turn into a design flaw

3.5 jack/USB

the first thing i do is "throw away" the headphones that come with a phone and use a descent pair of audiophile cans, which have 6.3 mm stereo plug into a 3.5 mm Adapter.(obviously forgoing speech capability, but i can still use phone for that)

The jack is very close to the bottom edge and the connection on the Leo doesn't look that sturdy.

(never been an issue on previous phones :) )
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
Yeah, Thank u very much!!!
[HD2 General] digimaz:
Another rumoured device from htc

http://phandroid.com/2009/10/04/htc-dragon-to-breath-1ghz-of-android-fire/

Same 1ghz processor. Anyone's decision to buy a leo just swayed?
[HD2 General] impreZzA:
As already asked previously could s.o interpret the benchmark results of video playback ? :o

I dont get it :D
[HD2 General] addicus:
Not being an Android man the Dragon doesn't interest me, but it would be nice to have another high powered machine out to drive the prices down.
[HD2 General] Ciddy:
I remember reading on of HTC planning to launch the (then so-referred) "Touch HD2" running Android on Slashgear a while ago. Was actually confused when I read all the WinMo 6.5 stuff here, but now pieces start falling into place.

What is interesting about your link is that they are running it on current hardware. Afaik the only phones out there now with 480x800/800x480 are the quite comparably specced Touch HD and Xperia X1 (maybe X2 too?). Would be cool to know running a 1.6+ Android version on a Touch HD is possible...
[HD2 General] mojohio:
Claude- I just went to their website and noticed their offices are located about 30 miles from me. You better believe that if they say it will be compatible with ATT US 3G, I'll be driving over to pick one up as soon as they are available. Did you sign up for the pre-order? The only thing that would scare me is when traveling and there are no 3G towers, does that mean it won't receive a signal if in EDGE areas?
[HD2 General] claude4:
Mojohio,

Based on the specs provided earlier on this thread, page 48 I believe, I am a bit confused as well.

Quote:

Internal antenna

HSPA/UMTS 2100/900 MHz and GSM/GPRS/EDGE

Quad-band (850/900/1800/1900 MHz) / HSDPA / 3GPP Release 5 compliant

Up to 7.2Mbps / HSUPA / 3GPP release 6 compliant / UE category 5, up to 2 Mbps peak rate / EGPRS Functionality / EGPRS class B / Multi-slot class 12 (10 Operator dependent) / PBCCH

I guess we will find uot once the HD2 becomes available and someone else buys and uses it here on AT&T's netowkr and reports in.

Do keep me\us in the loop shold you hear anything from Expansys-usa.

SSorry if this is quite clear to others, for me I am NOT clear if the HD2 has what is needed to be fully functional on AT&T in the US or not. Sorry!

Claude H.
[HD2 General] addicus:
For us US users. The phone is a quad band EDGE phone so the 850 bandlisted there is not for 3G. The 3G listed is the 2100/900 bands (Europe/Asaì standard). We need to hope Telstra gets the device with their 3G 850 band for us to use IG. This or have one of our carriers actually step up and bring the phone over here so we could actually have some great devices.
[HD2 General] bugsy:
You will only have 3G coverage if you buy a Leo with the 850MHz WCDMA band if/when HTC releases this version. The version released for Europe will only work with voice/edge service on ATT, no 3G.
[HD2 General] jonkvh:
FYI, noticed claude4 said 'page 54' wtf...

Just go into the forum control panel 'CP' then go to 'Edit Options' then scroll down to 'Thread Display Options'. Choose 50 posts per page.

Also, if Telstra get hold of this I'd never buy it from them. Outright 2 year buy price for the original HD is $5000 still !!!
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
I think you'll find the whole reason HTC release several different phones isn't to screw with your mind and make you dream up crazy conspiracy theories, it's because there is no such thing as a perfect phone.

Even this which (to me - again, there is so such thing as an absolute) is most likely going to be the best phone in history has more than it's fair share of detractors, even among those who don't put their fingers in their ears and go "LALALALA IT DOESN'T EXIST!"

According to this thread, the Leo is too big, too small, has one camera too many, one camera too few, is too overspecced to be a decent price, but also misses out on other trivial specs that will cause it to be "lame". It's been whined about because it doesn't have a physical keyboard, but this lack of keyboard has also been celebrated. Meanwhile it is fantastic that it has cleared the d-pad from the front to make way for a bigger screen, despite that this is obviously the worst decision they've ever made. It is also both fantastic and sucky that this comes with WM instead of Android, which itself is both perfect and useless. It has too many buttons, of which there are too few, and apparently the weight of the phone is so critical to know that the future of mankind depends on this number, somehow. Still at least it is nice to know that the clean minimalistic design is so good, because that will help make up for the fact that it is apparently ugly and unprofessional looking. For music fans however, it is excellent news that it is coming with a 3.5mm audio socket, despite that it is obviously brittle, will break immediately, and should come with a 6.4mm jack instead. On the plus side, it has TouchFlo which is awesome in it's rubbishness.

Also B3ler3fonte who has brought us such a wealth of information is, as well as being a fantastic help and a great guy, a scammer and liar for making all of this up and faking the photos, as well as an HTC shill, hawking this fake product that he himself invented ready for it's fictional release which may or may not be next week.

But yes, that's roughly why HTC screw you over by deliberately making "non-perfect" phones. I do hope they write you a letter explaining how sorry they are.
[HD2 General] galaxys:
PDADB just posted today the awesome full spec's for the T-Mobile HTC Touch HD2 HTC Leo (non-USA 3G):

http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2059&view=1&c=t-mobile_htc_touch_hd2_htc_leo
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
O RLY? :D
[HD2 General] raven2000:
Yeah you are one of the few skeptical ones. I can't wait until you have to eat your words once HTC announce Leo :)
[HD2 General] Audiguy3:
Has anyone seen anything about how bright the display is in daylight? And my thanks to B3ler3fonte too for all of the information he has posted.

Reggie
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Uh... so what about the Touch Diamond 2, and the Touch Pro 2, and the various new Verizon releases with WVGA, and the Omnia Pro (possibly Omnia HD too... can't remember), and the Toshiba TG01, and the Nokia N900... all 800x480 :-)
[HD2 General] 8525Smart:
Wow, this topic is going fast. I can't keep up anymore. It appears my subscription can't either because I'm not receive emails on updates.

And my whole point is that it doesn't make a difference to performance. You're pointing out that the motherboard makes a difference because it allows you to use new hardware and this is 100% true, but the whole point of my argument is that what actually makes the difference itself is the other hardware (i.e. what you're getting a new motherboard for in the first place).

Using your example of dual/triple-channel memory access, yes, that makes a big difference, but the support itself doesn't matter if you don't have the proper RAM. See what I mean? The motherboard itself is just a means to support whatever hardware is actually giving the performance. Repeating my example from before, if you were to keep all of your regular hardware (HDD, video card, RAM, CPU, AGP video card), but you upgrade your motherboard to the best one available, performance is not affected.

On the other hand, if you keep your motherboard (and assuming your motherboard supports what I'm about to list), but upgrade your 5400RPM HDD to a 15,000RPM HDD, your DD2 RAM to DD3 RAM, your 2Ghz CPU to a 3Ghz CPU, or just your AGP video card to a new PCI-E video card, the performance will certainly increase.

If the motherboard itself played a significant role in performance, then you should be seeing large increases by upgrading to the best motherboard regardless of the other hardware, correct? However, that is not the case.

Then I suppose sorcery is at work there because this would certainly be the first time I heard of a mere motherboard change causing a huge 50% drop in framerate. By comparison, it would take a significant downgrade in CPU/GPU in order to cause the same framerate drop (because CPU/GPU gens typically only increase/decrease performance in the area of 5-10%).