yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nstarone:
Hey Atom,

I've been following your ROM development for a while. I tried 3.5 while it was still publicly availble. In fact, it is the availablity of cooked ROMs that swayed me to get my third HTC device. You're doing a great job! Cooking ROMs is not easy. I've tried my hand and I know its not just cobbling latest versions together. Keep going there!

Tried 4.0 last night (Singapore/Malaysia time). Both 2.1 with Opera 95/97 as well as 2.5 with 97. 2.1 with Opera 95 appears to be the most stable but the phone did reset on me. Once, it was just sitting in front of me and it just decided to reboot so I have no idea what causes it. I don't think its load though. Resets happen even if the phone isn't doing anything.

I love the new 2.5. I'm a heavy messaging user and I like how HTC has finally integrated TF3D in that area so I spent most time trying that out (i.e. 2.5 with Opera97). Here's what I managed to discover:

Firstly, I did get the sound bug (phone doesn't ring) but managed to get it fixed by installing the LEO sound package in your add-ons file. Note: The sound bug stayed when I installed the sound files into my SD card but worked when I installed the cab on the device. However, it fixed only ring tones. Even with other sound files present, no matter what you select, the message and notification tones will stay with their weird defaults (like how the phone insists on the twitter tones and some IPCR sound file).

One area I think you can explore is the wait timings for external access. Advanded Config puts it doesn as Custom. Isn't the standard 1500ms? Does the LEO have built in ROM like the Omnia II instead of external cards? If it does, perhaps its set too short. I turned on power saving and tried setting a longer delay using Advanced Config and it seems to help but I keep getting reboots anyway so its hard to troubleshoot. The reboots were less often. Before this, just looking at the album (with photos stored on SD) will cause a reset.

Second, I think you're on the right track with the idea that this build is meant for a more powerful device. But its still the same WM6.5 inside so I think its just a matter of tweaking and selecting the right drivers. I think that the new default file system caches and filter sizes are too large by default. I lowered it to "advised" settings and the reboots were less frequent.

Sorry I can't go into more details. I was playing with my TP2 till 4am trying to see what was wrong and had to be back at work in a couple of hours (I'm filing this from the office :p). Anyway, if its easier to cook the next build, keep the stock files present. I'm sure some of us won't mind losing a few mbs if it means greater stablity. In fact, I'd rather keep some pretty bits. :)

Last, I feel very strongly about you going out of pocket with the restocking fee. Please don't and get yourself a TP2. It is a good phone. One of the best keyboards around. Even better than some netbooks. Even if you don't buy one, let us cover the restocking fee. Here's my contribution: 11R83318RR222892H.

Good luck!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rj_md:
i just confirmed the ringtone bug on the v4 2.5 with opera. please let me know how i can help. thanks. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mda71:
carrier ID

I forgot to mention one thing. When I loaded v4.0 tf3d2.5 opera9.7, the carrier ID, located on the top curtain, switched to a numerical ID. When reverted back to 4.0 beta release 2 the carrier ID returned to normal.

FYI:

I was using radio 4.46.25.24

Don't know if this information is relevant but perhaps it will help you.

I'm thinking about loading radio 4.49.25.05 and reloading v4.0 tf3d2.5 opera9.7. Should I try that? Is there any specific test you would like me to try? I can devote 6-8hours atm. No work today a typhoon might hit us later.

MDA71
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chasy:
so guys .. i played a little bit around with my rom (4.0, 9.5 opera)

at the beginning i got 2 timnes a auto soft reset by loading the album .. or changing wallpaper.

i got the feeling that the reboots are stress-indicated .. so changed

file systen cache size to 8mb

file system filter cache to 131072

and glyph cache to 64KB

then i reboot .. and now everythings running fine :) no more reboots since now :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jtvrules:
I think we are all just testers until when we get greedy and try Manila 2.5 I tried the pre release 4.0 but i just flashed back to 2.1 because txting lags and other things hang because even this beast isnt meant to handle a UI made for a 1ghz snapdragon processor. I Agree with the idea of using one of your first posts to Count down to the amount you need to buy yourself a test device, it's the least we can do for all your hard work. I Donated to your Fusion UC Project and i hope that will be met with plenty of support from users and Developers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Nstarone:
Hi Chasy,

Actually, I think those are the defaults. At least that I found them at those settings after flashing my ROM and doing a hard reset. I thought that they were problems. I lowered them and found the PDA more stable (tho still not perfect). Maybe the problem comes when accessing certain folders.... Are you using TF3D 2.1 or 2.5?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cyberrambo:
i tested this, but in Opera (97) i just got a softreset (i think it's a operabug).

now i got an issue with the task manager. everytime i click in the upper right corner to close an app it either freeze or softreset.

I will test more things soon
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
It's not dedication...it's being a thick headed bastard who cant leave well enough alone :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the_MiCrO:
At0m: This one is just for you:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Very good news!

After spending the last 6 or so hours on the restart problem I was able to solve it.

So ringtone problem is fixed and the restart problem is solved also.

I will be testing for the next day or so before I release. It took me lots of time to prepare all the uploads and everything else so once I know it is solid for my standards I will release all new versions of new build.

The only thing I need to test is video call which should work cause everything pertaining to that is still in play. I can not test that and I am waiting for the person who can test it for me to come online.

I want to thank everyone who helped me test my last builds. This is not a knock on anyone but for now on I will be conducting my own testing. I worked on 4.0 from last Thursday until the day I released it. Once I thought it was stable enough to release I basically spent the whole night cooking the final builds, compressing them, uploading them and fixing up the front page of thread. The release was a nightmare and I felt like my modding skills reputation was knocked down a few notches.

To understand what I mean, take a look at the 3.7 ROMs compared to 4.0. I was able to test myself with 3.7 and the only thing wrong was video call and lockscreen which at the time other ROMs had the same bugs. 4.0 appeared fine but it was really not and some of the stuff that wasn't caught I would have caught myself. Whenever I test a ROM before release the first thing I do is load it up to see how it peforms under stress and then move on to other stuff. I know I should have been more clear in my instructions.

I hope to the people who helped me test do not take that the wrong way. It is not a knock against anyone and I highly appreciate all that was done by many for testing 4.0. I know it is a pain in the ass to keep flashing and testing and for that I am very grateful. I think some of you even got a taste of what cooking is about too :D Maybe I should create a check off list for testers in the future but for now 4.1 is being kept in house where I can test everything myself and hopefully base the next couple of ROMs off of that since I can not keep this device for more than a couple of days.

Once again I am very grateful to everyone who helped me test the last batch and I hope nothing that I tried to explain came across the wrong way.

Now I am off to bed and will be back to work on 4.1 after my classes tomorrow.

Thank you all again for your suppport. If it was not for that I would have walked away from this a short time ago. I was actually very humbled by all the support I received over the last week or so.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the_MiCrO:
Here I am ;)

I'm on 'till around 22:00GMT - if you need a tester you can also try to catch me on icq (pmed you)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cyberrambo:
Video Call tester reporting in ;)

if you need me, just pm me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
News Update

4.0 has been pulled due to serious bug that did not come up during testing.

4.1 is on the way and being tested now.

4.1 and all ROMs for near future will be for private use only. Lite version for Public use.

Private use is for people who have donated to me, donate to me in the future, helped me test in the past or publish thier own work.

If you do not fall into that then please do not private message me asking to use ROM and create more work for myself.

If you are already on my email list then you will continue getting updates and links via email.

if you do not agree with that then move on and say something when you have put as many man hours into this as I have.

What's new in 4.1

Everything from previous builds besides bugs :D

Lockscreen totally working

Video Call working

YouTube sound working

No random resets

if I am not mistaking I think 4.1 and one other ROM are the only ones who will have these features working.

I am very sorry for the inconvience flashing 4.0 has caused everyone. All will be fine in 4.1 :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mobile88:
Glad and happy that you have solve it. You are THE MAN !

Look forward to your email notice so that I can test it. I am on the other side of the world 12 hours away - post it up before you go to bed and i will be awake then to download and test
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
At0mAng

Thanks for your effords and and the update .......

I want to suggest you something , please make up your mind and stick to your decision until the end. This is really annoying seeing you changing your mind everyday .........

I can understand that what you have been thru , and I do really believe that you should be paid for what you're doing too through donations.

But what ever you do, make up your mind and stick to it. Maybe some people does not know already that I will be buying your next TP3 or HD 2 as I promised you. Now I'm sticking to my word , how would you feel if I told you everyday different story YES I WILL BUY IT , NO I WONT BUY IT, do you get my point ?

Just make up yopur mind and stick to it , this is all what we want..... People should decide to continue with you or not after seeing your final decision.

But after reading your e-mail yesterday that you pulling off links and not coming with a new update until you get a new TP2 , I was frustrated a little.

Thank you
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bulls-eye1:
Not an inconvience but an experience :D

Thanks again for all the hard work!

(I had 1 reset all day yesterday with the 2.1 without Opera version, allthough I've been using mij device even more than useally due to a virus on my PC wich I couldn't get rid of.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
I made up my mind and that's what I am doing for now on. I only changed it yesterday cause I was inundated with private messages asking for links to ROM and I kind of felt bad for making it private. Now I don't any more. Everyone wants wants wants but does not want to give something back.

I will no longer make ROMs without a device, this is the third time it turned out to be a nightmare and so many hours were wasted since I began work on 4.0. It can not be done properly, what I think is properly and it is nothing but a waste of time if you want to produce the best quality ROM. That's why I ran into the city last night to pick up a phone. In no way can I afford it now but I threw it on my credit card anyways and will return it when I am done with 4.1 and eat the 15-20% (dont recall what it is off the top of my head) restocking fee which is nearly $100 itself.

I did not want to leave the people who donated to me in the past hanging with a crappy ass bug laced ROM and I did what I thought was right for myself and those people.

As much as I like tinkering with stuff and making ROMs it can not be done properly without a device in hand and that is why I do not fill the many other requests to port my ROMs to other devices and that is why I said what I said that got you fustrated but how is one to work without the proper tools?

What I always say, and not just with ROMs is you need the right tool for the job to get it done properly :D

And I pulled the links cause the ROMs were not up to my standards and why should anyone have to deal with a ROM that came out as bad as this one did? They were pulled so they would not cause other people headaches but if private users want to continue using them and testing them they can still download them and do what they want with them but there is no need to since 4.1 looks like it solved all the problems.

On that note...to everyone else...please do not report any more bugs about 4.0. They are dead as is 4.0 :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
OKAY PEOPLE

Now you read At0m's decision . Now if you want to continue with him , please donate so that he can get a new device ( I have already donated USD 100$ and I also promised him his next phone , Dated Mid September here it is :

So it seems like I have done my part in this ROM development issue , if you will not donate, I advise you to look for other people's ROMS. Because At0m clearly indicates that he will not have a new ROM ready until he gets a new TP2 and he also mentions that only donators will get a piece of the pie.

According to my experince, there is a big possiblity that he may not collect that much as donation and dropoff the subject for good.

But this is a decision he's taking and nobody can tell him that he's right or wrong. His decision and he will live with that decision.....

If At0m doesn't make a new rom I won't die and I will survive .......

But if he makes one I will be happy.....

I also see that this TP2 is one of the most expensive phones on the market, everybody in these forums have money to buy the phone but when it comes to donating everybody is short on cash :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
4.1 is coming there is not question about that... and not everyone on the private use list has donated. There are so many people who haven't, I would say it is close to 70% but yet when this issue comes up there is no one around to state that they are a private user without donating but everyone can take the time send a message asking for the links.

It's not all about donations and I wish some of the many people who have messaged me stating they can not paypal from their country or have donated to XDA, Elite ROM Project or have published their work were placed on list without any questions being asked would have said something in my defense when this issue has come up in the past and that is one of the reasons I changed my mind about it and the term for private user.

If it was all about money, yes some of it is, it would be nice to get back what one puts in then I would have made one big cab package and sell it on ebay as a Windows Mobile Performance enhancer. The only difference being that it will not recover wasted storage space by unnecessary files.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
At0m

Can you be more clear ? Because on your previous message you said that you will not release the 4.1 until you get a TP2 .

So the only way you to get a TP2 is that you go and buy one, since you don't have the money , how will you finish the rom since you don't have enough donations ....

So people who did not donate yet, please donate at least something so this guy can finish off what he started.

How much did you already collect,

How much do you need ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] what150:
Wow, this thread has something to be surprise everyday.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] osrix:
Double cheese i think you missed this post :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the_MiCrO:
@doublecheese: Good idea:

@At0m: Here is my part of your new phone 31G60984NS0637005 (Not much though)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
Yes :) will you donate or not ????

I'm sorry but it came to this point where At0m needs a phone and nobody is donating ,

Put yourselves in his shoes, do all that work , make a rom but in return you can't even get a free phone to play with.

I have already donated acouple of times in XDA , I have also donated twice to Elite team too, I remember last october-november elite team was first collecting DONATIONS for 2 x Raphaels, and then they were doing the ROMS .....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cyberrambo:
so i donated also and im willing to donate a second time if this help to buy a device for Atom0ng.

A list of Donators and amount would be nice so we can see the status of the donations and how much is missing till the new device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
Missed ?????

Come on guys , come to the core of the subject.

This guy needs some money to be able to at least get himself a new phone simple as that. Put yourself in his shoes and you'd feel how he feels. Everybody is talking and asking but NOT donating, that's why he's pissed .....

I also believe that Olipro-Cmonex will make their next HSPL's NOT FREE , because there were some concerns like this on the forum .......

So people who did not donate yet, please donate , so we can push At0m to the limit and have the face to demand something from him.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cjm1979:
He said he has a phone at the moment but will need to take it back once he as finished this rom and stand the restock charge. A little while ago he bought a phone but gave it to a friend for his other project. Is the friend an Xda member? If so, who?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
I posted this in a couple of posts a page or two back.

After all those problems came up with the ROM and knowing the only way to fix it is to have device in hand I ran into the city and bought a phone even though I can not afford it now. I put it on my credit card and my plan is to return it in a few days when I am done with 4.1 and eat the 15% restocking fee.

Total donations and money spent on projects:

Donations $847 after paypal fees.

Pruchases:

1 Touch Pro2 - used as payment for my friend who is helping me program The Rom Creation Tool and XDA Dev App Store.

$704

1 - Server combo setup for ROM Creation Tool and Dev App Store from new egg

NORCO RPC-4220 4U Rackmount Server Chassis w/ 20 Hot-Swappable SATA/SAS Drive Bays

ASUS P5BV-C/4L LGA 775 Intel 3200 ATX Intel Xeon Server Motherboard

$489 plus shipping and tax

2 - 4GB memory kits from new egg

137.99 X 2 plus shipping and tax

Current paypal donation account:

$47.39

All the rest came out of my pocket and if it is wrong to try to get a little back then so be it, I am wrong.

Now I am wishing I never got into this mess but I will see it through one way or another. I don't quit on things so it will be done to the end...just may take a bit longer than expected.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] joechan:
Hi A,

Really can't wait for your CHT ROM, I have try to send you PM (I'm still using the 2.7 version), but have not received any respond, may be you are hard working on the ROM. Any way, thanks so much for your ROM. Hopefully I can get your new version private rom.

Thanks again.

Joe
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
When I was in NYC the year before I bought myself HTC Advantage X500 or whatever it was called , I bought it from a shop I can't recall it's name on the 5th avenue. It was on the right side going south.

I used this HTC advantage for two days, I even uploaded IGO 2006 to navigate me thru New York city. But I realised that this phone is too big for my liking and I returned it, all I did was to carefully put the protective film on the screen back, hard reset it, box it and returned it as "UNUSED" , I told them I bought it for a firend , but I ended up buying a wrong model by mistake so I'm returning it and I didn't even use it !!!!

They just took it back , no questions asked. The lady at the cashier opened the box, she saw that the box and the HTC was tidy and stuff so returned my money fully :) Try this method.

Actually you're italian lives in NYC , you should know these better than I do anyway .....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] weenween:
Dear At0mAng, do not be discouraged or provoked. We are right there with you. The funds will come.

Let us return to the correct issue of the ROM and the Project. Don't get distracted.

Will send you more later in the week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] karandras24:
I will happily come forward and state that i am on Atom's "private user" list and haven't donated.

I offered to donate to Atom and he told me to keep my money and spend it on the 6 baby bearded dragons i rescued.

You don't have to donate to get on his private list!!!

Just help other people, instead of helping yourself. Oh and manners don't hurt.

Oh and as soon as i have rehomed these baby dragons (i am charging a rehoming fee for these dragons to ensure they go to decent homes), i will be donating to Atom. It's for him to spend it on which ever project he wishes or just recover some of the restocking fee he's getting lumbered with.

Andi.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
I remember your conversation with at0m

Nobody is asking anybody to donate , hey but come to the core of the problem,,,,,, maybe today after all what happened , he will continue to make the ROM but I'm sure after some time this money and people not donating issue will come up again. Look at the history of this thread how many times we talked about donations and donations and donations.

if not today ,it will eventually come up again, my suggestion is that everybody should gather up and collect some money for at0m so he's mentally happy again :)))))))

Come on guys, let's donate so we don't give him the chance to complaint anymore :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] karandras24:
Yeah, we also had a further conversation via PM and e-mail.

I have been a bit busy and not on this thread much lately, so after a lengthly read through, i'm more up to speed.

Atom stated he wished some of the people who where on the list but hadn't donated would have come forward to defend him. Hence my post.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FuzzFuzz:
Hello Atom

I installed your 3.7 ROM lately and it was really the ROM I was looking for.

Finally a ROM that is running on bare minimum, just the way I love it.

Anyway, I'd just like to speak my appreciation about your ROM, it's real nice and works like a glove (except for some small glitches, but the were solved in later releases as I'm reading it.