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[HD2 General] X1-owner:
HTC's official spec sheet says avi is supported, and I beleive I've seen some prototype tester claim that xvid/divx playback is supported.
[HD2 General] NetRipper:
Your phone has an ARMv6 core, and the HD2 has an ARMv7 core. If the DigiCompass is optimized for ARMv7, it won't run on your device. I'm not saying this is the case, but it's a possibility. :-)
[HD2 General] adeeb:
Impressing

Hi guys, i have been surfing the net for reviews and opinions about this beast.

I've been using my diamond for 2 years now and since a few months I've been looking for an UPGRADE. I mean not to a Diamond 2 or Touch pro 2, there are no significant hardware upgrades worth the money! My opinion is this phone is a leap forward. I also researched the performance of the snapdragon and its amazing . My only concern is the battery of course,but hell which pocket pc in the market has a decent battery. The thing with upgrading to winmo 7 doesnt concern me much since the base requirements of the device meets the standards and thanks to our respected cookers in XDA , we definately will have it.

I have already pre-ordered one, i will post info and my review as soon as i get it.

Thanks
[HD2 General] lude219:
Sad day for us AT&T users, WMExperts have reported that Tmobile USA has indeed landed the HD2 :(

With Telstra not getting in on the HD2 and it doesnt seem like AT&T will either, what will some of you (on AT&T) do? Wait until the heaven opens up and grant us with a 850mhz 3g version or import one and be content with EDGE?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Don't quote me on this, but I think I remember reading somewhere that, this time round, Qualcomm plans to release a proper SDK for the Snapdragon chipset which includes GPU libraries. Assuming that's true, it's likely that there will, at some point, be a version of Coreplayer that is capable of using GPU acceleration on Snapdragon phones. But obviously this is all highly speculative....
[HD2 General] turt:
The Touch Diamond was released in June 2008, so you have your diamond since 16 months at most ;)
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I remember reading this as well, although I find it incredibly hard to believe - this just goes agains everything Qualcomm stands for (which is, sitting in IP bottlenecks and charging money for using their proprietary stuff). Giving away things for free in their case sounds as weird as Microsoft switching their OS core to Linux or Nokia switching to WM instead of Symbian.

Judging by CorePlayer benchmarks shown in some reviews, it's already quite capable of playing videos on HD2 even without acceleration. I would still prefer to use the Fullscreen player, just because of the interface and lack of AC3 support in CP. Also, I simply hate to have a bunch of specialized applications for every format out there - my pet peeve. It's really a shame that the otherwise great HTC player is barely usable.
[HD2 General] BigViking:
HTC HD2 vs Omnia I8000

I have read this thread, but still try to decide which phone to choose, HTC HD2 or Samsung Omnia I8000.

Better on HD2:

- Big multitouch, capacitive screen

- Can maybe be upgraded to vm7

- Much faster

- Nice design

Better on I8000

- AMOLED-screen

- Better battery

- TV-out

- DLNA

- Better camera and camera-button

- Video-calling

- 16gb built in storage

- More pocketfriendly

- Available now

Something I have forgot?
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Not much, except you get Samsung app development (games and such) with the i8000. Though can't the HD2 be a DLNA server? I had the same dilemma but keep on coming back to the main plus points of the HD2. The screen and speed etc look phenomenal. The main negative for me on the i8000 is TouchWiz - it just isn't a patch on the HD2's front end (imo).
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
The HD2's ability to act as a USB host is potentially quite cool.
[HD2 General] pierro78:
I am wondering about the quality of the still camera ... I've only seen bad comments about it but the firmware is not yet final ... is there a device with a similar camera and final firmware that got reviewed already (especially the still camera part) ??

Thanks !
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
Spot on Paul,

Every point you make I pretty much 100% agree upon (I'm a software developer too).

The HD2 will be an amazing phone. Regardless of SDK's or the fanciness of 'eyecandy' apps, the core WM element and the ability of apps that actually matter (SKtools, Resco) are what makes it. Customization are second to none on WM (if you have the knowledge).

There is no way that Iphone Os or Android come close to WM at present. They may look fancy and trick you into believing its better, but the people with industry knowledge will stay loyal to WM.

Those people not buying the HD2 because it has WM are deluded, and have been brainwashed by pretty pictures and colours.
[HD2 General] BigViking:
Yes, really cool, but is it confirmed?
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
According to:

http://www.slashgear.com/htc-hd2-hits-o2-uk-in-week-starting-october-19th-0959845/

They seem to say it's confirmed. However, I think we need more solid proof! ;)
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Talking of 32gb microsd - anybody know when they will eventually be released to purchase in the UK. Just ordered a 16gb but really wanted a 32gb....
[HD2 General] pierro78:
To answer my own question here are some pics taken with the HD :

http://www.flickr.com/cameras/htc/touch_hd_t8282/

These look quite good to me, maybe better than my Nokia E90's, hopefully the HD2 will be comparable or better :)

EDIT1 :

these 2 pics look quite good too : http://ai.rs/2009/10/htc-hd2-another-look/
[HD2 General] trentend:
WM is highly configurable - at least partly because it needs to be in order to get it working well, because it's normally pretty rubbish out of the box.....talk of it being fine tuned is rubbish, it's had many years to be developed for and it is well understood, but it is bloated and inefficient - particularly in its use of hardware resources. In regard to the hardware level of the Leo, it has non-standard drivers, provided without an SDK for hardware that is unsupported natively in the operating system provided. This much is fact.

You may draw a different conclusion, but to dismiss this as a misunderstanding based on pretty pictures and colour is a presumptuous, rude, and fatuous argument. I've quite specifically identified a number of specific problems that exist with this phone, in parallel with every other HTC WM phone that I've used since Tytn - namely lack of optimised driver support, lack of optimised OS support for the capbility of the hardware platform.

Go look in the device forums. Every one has a note of how such problems impact on the day to day operation of the phones, now ask yourself who is it that's been brainwashed?
[HD2 General] bugsy:
If it only comes to t-mobile that would indeed be disappointing, but don't forget that both att and t-mobile carry many of the same htc devices. Also, I haven't heard that it is not coming to Telstra, only that it hasn't been announced yet. If I remember correctly they launched the original HD a little after everyone else. One last point, Latin American or Canadian carriers may still get it and many of them share the same 3G bands with ATT. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Why has this come down to a personal WM v Android bash again - there's no need.
[HD2 General] trentend:
Has it though? ....because from where I'm sitting it looks like people making personal comments about me, because I have something to say that some people are unhappy to hear.

I didn't mention Android again, what I said was that the HD2 has non-standard drivers, and the hardware is not supported natively in the operating system that will be shipped with the device. Whatever certain peoples opinion of me might be, that doesn't make it untrue.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Mate I wasn't having a go at you it was a general "lets be nice".
[HD2 General] adeeb:
Ya around 2 years, or feels like it.
[HD2 General] surur:
Hey professor, we have all heard you. Have you finished your lecture yet?
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Really? To my eyes they look utterly appalling! :eek:

Maybe I have unrealistic expectations of phone cameras; but I'm mentally comparing that to the images I used to get from a 2-megapixel compact camera that cost about £50 when I bought it six years ago, and the Leo comes off very badly in that comparison. Compared to my five-year-old 5MP camera, it's not even in the same sport, never mind the same league.

Put it this way: how much do you have to downsize the "superfine" image by in order for it become tolerable to the eye? At 640x480 it's just about bearable - though even then there is still a lot of noise in the yellow under the stairs. Any bigger than that and I really just don't want to look at it it's so bad. :(

In reviews of other phones I've seen images way superior to that. The Samsung i8910 HD, for example, actually doesn't do too badly compared to my 5-year-old dedicated camera (so long as you're taking pictures in daylight); and the things like the LG Renoir are even better.

It's fairly clear that the camera was at the very bottom of HTC's list of priorities for this phone, which is a shame. :( I suppose if they had included a decent lens and camera sensor they would either have had to cut corners elsewhere, or make the phone so expensive it wouldn't sell; but it's still a pity.
[HD2 General] mec1234:
For me the whole WM v Android comes down to the fact that the apps I want to run will only run on WM so I am not even going to consider Android.

I lusted after an Iphone when it came out but again it will not run my apps and I WILL NOT bend over and let Apple have its wicked way with me.

I mean come on, when people have to hack the Iphone to make it worth owning something is wrong.

As of now the best WM phone I can see is the HD2 and I plan on getting it as soon as I can and the bonus is that I know there will always be someone

out there wanting to make custom ROMs for it.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Do you not regard custom ROMs as hacking?
[HD2 General] Tung_meister:
for me it boils down to the fact that wm has a proper bluetooth stack, i couldn't stand not being able to send files via bluetooth system wide.
[HD2 General] why_999:
With the iPhone if you don't jail break it.. all you can do is add/delete apps.. atleast with WM the skies the limit, with the exception of HardSPL/Cooked ROMs;)

But as a base OS it more flexible without hacking
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Trying not to iPhone bash, but I had an iPhone for a weekend but couldn't get on with it. Having to do everything thru iTunes, no divx support, limited configurability of the browser, rubbish camera, no multitasking - all things that just left me cold. I took it back, and the O2 assistant looked at me like I had won the lottery then given it all to an Orangatun called Bob.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Well, my point was that replacing the entire operating system on a phone (which is what you're doing when you flash the ROM) is a far more radical and wide-ranging procedure than jail-breaking an iPhone. If you're comfortable flashing a WM phone ROM then it's preposterous to suggest that you would have any problem jail-breaking an iPhone, and hence it makes little sense to criticise the iPhone on the grounds that it needs to be jail-broken. For an absolutely non-technical user, the need to jail-break might be an issue; for you and anyone else willing to experiment with cooked ROMs, it clearly can't be, and you're guilty of double standards if you complain about it. :)
[HD2 General] mojohio:
My contract expired back in July and I knew AT&T would not pick this phone up because of iphone. I am tired of being held hostage from the iphone. Ggoodbye AT&T, hello T-mobile as soon as this phone is released (even though AT&T might have slightly better coverage in my area- 3G just getting up and running in November).
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
The point he was making here was that WM is very customizable even without ROM flashing, whereas with the iPhone you pretty much cannot do any customization without jailbreaking it. And Apple clearly doesn't like people deciding for themselves how their phone should be used. They will try to put you back in the cage every chance they get.
[HD2 General] why_999:
My point was that as a device from the manufacture of a WM phone, you can run any program (bought or cracked), tweak reg., and customize it according to taste (which I done for a while before getting into the world of flashing).. however

from my understanding

you are pretty limited with the iPhone, unless you jailbreak..
[HD2 General] jdlorinser:
Well for all you Android fans here you go "The Acer Liquid" http://www.slashgear.com/acer-liquid-snapdragon-based-android-smartphone-announced-1460356/
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
If its build quality etc are anything like the F1 I wouldn't go near it with a barge pole
[HD2 General] orelsi:
I was really looking forward to playing around with the Leo and was hoping for a version with a hw keyboard, but........

no hw keyboard

no d-pad

capacitive screen = crap

no dedicated power button

no camera button

WTF? HTC totally messed up with this.

What's with the iPhail whoring going around?

iPhail is an outdated piece of **** device with old hardware and software.

50k fart apps

camera that shoots video! WOW! What a breakthroguh!

copy, paste and (gasp!) CUT!1!1!1!1!1..... 20 years after everyone else...

no proper file explorer

no control over YOUR OWN device

chained to iTunes which is the single worst piece of

software on the planet

pathetic resolution

big ass clown buttons

no accuracy

capacitive touchscreen = nuff said

no customization

no diversity

no gaming - on-screen control take a lot of screen space and nothing can beat a real hw feedback. The accelerometer games are pathetic, especially the car related ones, it is soo much fun to tilt your head every time you make a turn lol.....

no hw controls

no d-pad

no hw keyboard

no removable battery

no removable sim

no sorage card slot

we got tethering! finally....

mms?

no sync/file transfer over bluetooth

it is not productive, WinMo = computer in your pocket, iPhail = glorified mp3 player...

no A2DP

no MULTITASKING

etc.

I can go on forever...
[HD2 General] rebecker:
OK, as a total non-techie who has never used a data plan (I'm only in the US on brief visits) and is currently using a Pay-As-You-Go T-Mobile account on my TyTN II, would I be able to use a data plan in the future with T-Mobile (or AT&T) if I bought the European HD2? I'm not overly concerned about speed, just whether I could get email and minimal web access.

-Bob-
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
That's certainly true - but the obvious response is "so what?" :)

I guess it depends on whether your objection is a technical one, or if you're complaining about Apple's business ethics. If your complaint is "in order to do anything interesting with an iPhone you have to jail-break it and jail-breaking is really difficult and complicated" then the chances are that you are guilty of double standards, if not outright deception. :) If you're the sort of person who is comfortable with flashing new ROMs onto his WM phone, then jail-breaking is not difficult or complicated for users like you, and it is at best inaccurate and at worst downright disingenuous to suggest that it is. Jail-breaking is a lot simpler than flashing ROMs.

On the other hand, to an entirely non-technical user, jail-breaking is a bit fiddly. So, if your objection is "Apple makes it really difficult for non-technical users, and even though I am not a non-technical user myself, that business philosophy annoys me enough that I don't want to give Apple any of my money, no matter how superb a jail-broken iPhone may be" then that's an entirely valid objection, and I completely agree with you. (Indeed, that's one of the main reasons I don't own an iPhone).
[HD2 General] skotten:
Well, i've got to disagree with you on this subject. You cant compare a digital camera with the camera in a phone for a few, but obvious reasons.

Phone cam limitations:

1) Physical limitation with regard to the integration length, approximately 7 mm depth (IC + optics).

2) Lens size limitation.

2a) Limits the amount of light available to generate a picture.

2b) Lens abbreviations way more obvious (spherical, chromatic and astigmatic).

3) Only CMOS chip available for compact design.

4) Platform not dedicated exclusively to imageprocessing.

5) Limited to fixed focus (autofocus only works "well" within 5 m radius).

6) Lack of "real" flash.

All these factors are contributing to lowering the quality in the pictures you've singled out. I do agree with you that the quality of the pictures looks bad, but it's as good as it get under these circumstances, because this is a low light environment without use of effective flash.

These pictures should be used to judge the worst case quality of pictures you can make with the phone. I think you will see a big difference in quality between a low and a high light level environment.

This is just my opinion and i hope you'll find it usefull.
[HD2 General] DMAND:
+1 to the above post

camera phone pictures always look like camera phone pictures to me, no matter how many mega pixels etc theres no way the CMOS sensors in phones can match the CCD in dedicated cameras

Hopefully they hurry up and produce a finalised ROM so O2 can launch this beast :D
[HD2 General] X1-owner:
Like you I have no interest in iphone, but to be fair, the new 3gs is really not bad from a hardware point of view. OK, the camera is not fantastic, and the CPU is about half the speed of the Snapdragon (though much faster than the one in X1), but the GPU is actually a bit better than Snapdragon at polygons and seriously faster at pushing pixels.
[HD2 General] mec1234:
Yup that’s what I was trying to say, for the normal user of an Iphone they think there can just us it like a PC, drag and drop etc. It came as a shock to my sister when she got an Iphone that she had to do it the Apple way. In the end she was to scared to jailbreak it and so is now an Applelyte but she is ok with that.

The option of ROM flashing is nice to have but if you don’t have the confidence or know how to do it you can still use a WM phone as you see fit.
[HD2 General] chris10230:
suprised im the first to post this but ar.is posted some test 5mp shots

Found here
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Except, er...you're not the first to post it! :p
[HD2 General] pierro78:
These pics have already been discussed : http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4732031&postcount=1227
[HD2 General] chris10230:
oops forgot that one i did say suprised only just round to reading everything i normally do...

ahem :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I have a BSc in Laser Physics and Optoelectronics, so I am somewhat familiar with these reasons. ;) That doesn't take away from the fact that the best modern camera phones actually are able to trade punches with a dedicated camera that is 6 years old and was cheap 6 years ago. It also has little bearing on quite how much worse the HD2's pictures are than those of pretty much any other smartphone I have seen reviewed (aside from other HTC models, naturally).
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
And I have a B.S. in BS. :p
[HD2 General] owz206:
Has anybody had any luck getting an official released date off O2 ?

I've phoned a couple of times to be told they have no information even though I pointed out it was in their october brochure :confused:
[HD2 General] BadMonkey:
I called O2 and the guy on the phone still had the September brochure.

He got hold of the October version from someone else but didn't know any details on when it would be available.

He just said to keep checking the web site.......zzzzzz!
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
On the Omnia II, its bundled with Crayon Physics. Any body know if that would work on the HD2?
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Great! A thn device!

Great! More room for a large screen instead of wasting device real estate on buttons. Who is screwed up enough in the head to want to look at buttons? How dumb would you have to be to want to look at buttons instead of a screen? LOL!!

Great, a more sensitive screen!

Fantastic! I keep pressing the power button of my Touch Pro when it's in mt pocket. Awesome to get rid of it.

Awesome!! I can count on one hand the number of times I used the camera on my phone last few months. On my last phone with a camera button more often than not I was swearing at it for being accidentaly pressed wasting my time. I remapped it soon after.

Lack of a camea button is AWESOME!

Utter brainless tripe. This is a great device.

Oh, you mean different people might possibly have different needs? Why are there so many people that lack the mental capacity to understand this basic concept? I have a month old puppy that could understand that.

HTC in no way messed up with this.
[HD2 General] les_paulde:
+1

cant wait for this device to finally come out so we can have our own thread to drool over how amazing it is without these non-WM fanboys ranting and disturbing a good discussion/conversation! :rolleyes:
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Simple thing.

Android and iphone fanboys cannot digest the evolution of HD2- The best windows (one of the best phones) mobile till date.:D
[HD2 General] makeveral:
i lole'd with this last posts :D
[HD2 General] vinokirk:
+1 to this brother!
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
My local 02 are very clued up on upcoming phones. They said the HD2 is a brilliant phone and don't understand why 02 aren't advertising it more.

Regarding the release date, they said they had them instore currently (they even showed it to me) and said it would go on sale on Thursday 22nd October. The demo he gave me was awesome, I cant wait! :D

P.S Anyone know the max MicroSD card this can take? 16gb? or 32GB when its available.
[HD2 General] owz206:
Which store is this,I'll give them a ring.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
I think 32Gb or 128Gb even when it is released.:D

As far as i know, blackstone supports 32Gb mirosdhc. So, HD2 will definitely support.
[HD2 General] Teneka_Khan:
Me very jealous - can you give me your opinion on the size of the phone, and the speed of it? Is it as fast as it seems?
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
It's the 02 branch on Northumberland St, Newcastle-Upon-Tyne. Hope that helps :)
[HD2 General] jimmybob_007:
The phone was very fast! Just like the videos that have been posted. I can't really say anymore than has already been said.

The 02 man said that it comes with a 2gb MicroSD card. That's the only additional info i received.

Can't wait to replace my P3600(m700) :D
[HD2 General] TravisBean:
In general yes, but certain games are much better suited to using a physical d pad, and I must confess to still being childish enough to enjoy them. :)
[HD2 General] skotten:
I don't know if you seen these pictures:

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8915

but i've only seen a few phones do this better (at a cost of larger thickness and a bigger lens).

Btw. now that we're dropping our pants for comparison, then i've got an 18" M.Sc. in optic and electronics ;)
[HD2 General] mavrik64:
I wear glasses and like gadgets - does that count?

:D

Mav

(Feeling left out)
[HD2 General] niknik76:
Please don't stop the Android-WM battle, I for one like it :D

Anyway I think it's great to hear both criticism and praise for this device. Only to see it as the coming of the new messiah will not push anything forward..

On that note I actually think it IS the new messiah :p Too bad he (probably) is going to have to carry a backpack with extra power if he has to continue his preaching evening time also.

Which brings me to;

Has anyone seen pictures of the extended battery pack that is being mentioned in several reviews?
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
If it comes out next week that will be awesome, but i read on multiple sites that htc's final rom for the hd2 won't be ready until the 16th. how can they already have the phones? or will they update them?
[HD2 General] kersh:
Any word on price with the 29 pounds plan?