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[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
How would you upgrade all that without switching motherboards? I doubt you're going to find a motherboard that takes IDE/SATA consumer class drives as well as 15kRPM enterprise class drives, and DDR2 as well as DDR, AND AGP video cards as well as PCIe video cards :D. If you did that, you'd have to upgrade the motherboard anyway ;)

Have you ever actually used a low-end motherboard? Some of those low end Via chipsets were absolutely horrid, and really do run noticably slower than their nVidia/Intel/etc. counterparts... enough that some games that are smooth on the more expensive motherboards become unplayably choppy on the cheaper ones.

Well, take this as the second time you're hearing about it. It's not so much that a good motherboard can speed up a system (most motherboards already are good in that sense), but more that a crappy motherboard with a badly designed chipset can slow down the entire system to a crawl, not to mention all the other problems they can cause (don't get me started on Asrock VIA-based boards and audio apps).
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Quality post Mr Ray :D
[HD2 General] InfernokingS:
Releasedate

http://ai.rs/2009/10/htc-leo-announcement/

They say it will be announced, alongside the WM 6.5 launch
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
Brilliant - lol.
[HD2 General] bemymonkey:
Flash 10.1 GPU-accelerated support

Looks like Snapdragon is getting GPU-accelerated Flash video...

http://www.slashgear.com/flash-10-1...tas-coming-hd-gpu-acceleration-added-0558904/

Hope that's true, because that would make the Leo rock even more :D
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
At 121 x 67 x 11 mm this device is much too big for my taste (height and width). I still think the Touch HD (and the iPhone) are too clumsy, that's why I got the XPERIA X1 almost a year ago. The thing should fit in my front pockets, period. I also prefer a hardware keyboard, even though the software keyboards are pretty good nowadays.

But I really love the specs otherwise! For those who prefer a huge screen it will probably be awesome.

A XPERIA X2 or Touch Pro2 with the faster CPU would be great. Any news of a device like that?
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
I don't want to say I told you so but...

...I told you!
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
and ai.rs seem to be suggesting that we wont be able to actually get our hands on it until november...which is more likely considering the usual delays that happen when new handsets are launched.

A bit disappointing, but not unexpected.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Not yet, I don't think. If you want a little bit more power then a Samsung B7610 OmniaPRO might do you. The processor is the same generation as the one in TP2 (ARMv6) but clocked at 800MHz rather than 528. Still falls a long way short of an ARMv7 CPU (e.g. Cortex A8 or Snapdragon), though.

The Leo really isn't that much bigger than the TP2 - and it's thinner and lighter. (TP2 is 116 x 59 x 17).
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
The Omnia HD is 640x360 resolution - it runs Symbian rather than Windows Mobile, which limits the maximum res. Already-released Android devices are even more limited.
[HD2 General] OldManChild:
Sarcasm so thick, one can cut through it with a knife. And it will take the gentleman some time to ingest, digest and understand it's import.

Some much needed mental exercise for the esteemed gentleman.

Nice one Ray Boy!!
[HD2 General] -NRG-:
Yeh but there are certain limmits. If every new device is 5mm higher and wider you will have a device of 20x10, would you still buy that? There have to be a limit for some people that is 116mm x 59mm for some is that 121mm x 67mm.

I think people should decide them selves if a device is to big or not. This all is relative.. Women/Men, clothing, size of the hands.. I don't think it's necessary or usefull to keep convincing people of the size if it's to big or not...
[HD2 General] sdlopez83:
Hey, Hey guys! It could be worse, I'm still waiting for the TP2 here in the states for ATT. lol

I'm thinking of getting the eurobands Leo and selling it off when the Leo hits US 3g maybe 3 months after it reaches Europe.
[HD2 General] owz206:
Looks like someones got an official O2 touch hd 2 and is taking questions ready for a full length review. :D

http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ne...2-yes-were-reviewing-so-questions-please.html
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
I'll have a look at the Omnia Pro, haven't seen it live yet. Do you think it would feel like a (meaningful) upgrade to the X1?

Well, to me the X1 is about as big as I can accept (110.5 x 52.6 x 17.0 mm). Haven't seen the Touch Pro2 or Omnia Pro yet but maybe they are within the acceptable limits (it depends on the design also, some devices with rounded edges etc feel smaller than they appear to be when looking only on the specs).

I've used both the Touch HD and the iPhone and I don't like their size (height and width). And the Leo is even bigger :(
[HD2 General] maati:
Stop that useless talk about size now, please.

To me, the X1 is too big because of it's thinkness, while the Leo is NOT too big because it's thin and fits in my pocket more easily than the X1.

You see, everyone has different needs, which makes this discussion really useless, so please stop it now.

Mr. Ray has some true words about this kind of discussion:
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
Exactly :)

I already have a clumsy old PDA (Fujitsu-Siemens N560 @ 116 x 71 x 14 mm) that I find much too big to carry around - I mostly use it for the GPS these days.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Well, Cthuga described the Leo as "much too big" but then went on to say that a TP2 with a Snapdragon CPU would be "great". It doesn't seem like there's enough size difference between the two to go from "great" to "much too big" in just 5mm. :)
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
that guy must have big hands cos the phone looks tiny!!
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
The difference is ~18% which is pretty much. And compared to the X1 it's even more. Those mm's means a lot when you're talking about handheld devices.

But enough about that now. Everyone has their own tastes and preferences.
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
I can confirm it 100% as well, since i am using the device for 3days now, that its comes, without a stylus whatsover, and to be honest its natural as its actually useless, coz the screen its soooo big and so are the menus and letters on the virtual (classical HTC) keyboard for instance when typing an SMS, that u don't need it @ all. ;)
[HD2 General] origins81:
can you post pics of your device?
[HD2 General] imperiallight:
Do you think this device will be released before this year because I will get a TG01 until then if its not.

Can you still use a stylus for handwritten notes etc?

Thanks
[HD2 General] makeveral:
i guess it will be released before the end of this year... but an official release date would be nice :p
[HD2 General] barbapappa_86:
Another sweet thing with the big screen is the remote desktop function (Spotify etc is nice :)). But then again, the stylus would be nice...
[HD2 General] makeveral:
maybe there will be a stylus like the Omnia but for capacitive screens??
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
If you're thinking of getting a TG01, audition it carefully first. Among other things, check the accuracy of the on-screen keyboard, and how reflective the screen is. (Both drove me nuts when trying it out in a shop).
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
I'll shot some and upload em, coz officially it not allowed to do that...Hope u understand, but since i saw some already circulating on blogs it wouldn't b such a prob right ?? :D I was just waitting for some1 out there to posted 1st, but as far as i can c the device doesn't exist anywhere apart from b3t@ testers, Global operators and so on. For instanse i had the device a week b4 rs.blog posted the firts ones...so....Anyway, i'll give u some for u to have, exclusively on xda.devs ;) ;) :D :D

This device guys i think its meant to be released till the end of November-start of December, but rumors keep on come and going for the official release date. Since i'll ve something official on my hands i'll def do let u know ;)

Def b4 the end of this yr, unless HTC decides to change some of her plans-coz u never actually do know what they do have in their minds- and release it l8r on but i 99% doupt about it ;) So prepare ur wallets save some money, coz Snapdragon kicks asses @ all matters!!
[HD2 General] mike21pr:
now for the 1 million dollar question.... is the hardware graphics acceleration finally there with snapdragon???? Or is it the same Qualcomm problems in a faster version of the CPU??
[HD2 General] Moandal:
What I want to know is how will you be able to navigate an Excel spreadsheet with small boxes if you have to use your fat finger because of the capacitive screen?
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Hahaha, i just loved and laughed the crack out of me on the way u posted ur question m8...Hardware accelaration as far as i c and use the device, is damn good...i mean daaaamn good :eek: Though know and keep in mind that still the SW is absolutely BR1 so till the final i think it will be improvements to use as much as possible and suck HW's capabilities to its limits..

Thats a good one but so far i did not encounter any probs even with Excel sheets, and blv me i don't...."own" the smallest fingers on the planet Earth,but alright, lets be honest, if somebody own...sausage fingers, then "yes" the pen wud be appreciatted...Guess HTC designers r all small fingers owners :D :D :D !!
[HD2 General] makeveral:
can you confirm that it got a second front camera for videocall?
[HD2 General] tibursio:
how did you get your hands on that ultimate phone?

Also, since you used it for a few days now, can you tell me something about battery perfomance? Like the 1200mAh battery seems to be a downside, and with that big screen I dont think it will last long on moderate use... What's your point of view on that?
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Yes, i can confirm that the front camera, capable for 3G video calls is absent. Ppl who own Diamond II or any of the HTC recent devices, like Touch Cruise 09, on the key calling pad, on the bottom right corner there is a slider where u can actually shift from classic voice to video calls. Well that also proves that Leo doesn't have this option, on the contrary, that slider is replaced between voice calls and conference calls ;)

On top left of the device on the other hand there r two non-obvious to human's eyes, led sensors, responsible for screen's auto on-off while calling, like iPhone, in order screen buttons, not to be pushed.

Well, there are some professions, where u can actually own such devices long-long time b4 their actual market release for further...investigation and proper use....b4 final consumer gets to the store to take on his/her hands....:rolleyes:

As for what u've said about the battery, it is a kinda drawback of the device indeed, but as far as i am concerned not only by using it, but from the handset-design-point-of-view, they want to keep the size, the lightest,thinner and without being equipped with a high capacity battery. I disagree of course, i want to make that clear. But, know that, like in any other HTC or other's vendor's device, it takes time in order to witness, battery's real perfromance. Its the 4th time so i recharged the cell so far, and with medium to high use, with BT on, calls up to 2hrs in total daily, live weather update every 15' and partail use of Wi-FI, it lasts as Magic or Hero does, 1.5 days...:cool: I think its nice.
[HD2 General] makeveral:
thanks man for the answer! really usefull... btw 1.5 days with some high usage is nice in my opinion!
[HD2 General] makeveral:
ah ye another thing, does it have a built in compass? :p
[HD2 General] B3ler3fonte:
Regarding its monsterous screen and its HW in general, indeed it is nice. Well what else can ppl expect from such a power-consuming device? To last for like 4 days?If so...then hands on Nokia 3203 with a simple handsfree option and ur good to go :D
[HD2 General] makeveral:
what about TV-Out? and , in case you missed my other post, build in compass?:p
[HD2 General] owz206:
What does the actual phone feel like in your hand,does it fit in your pocket.

I'm trying to gage the size by some of the pictures I've seen, is it smaller than the Toshiba tg01.

Some of those pictures you promised would be nice :D :D
[HD2 General] BrianSkibinski:
From the claimed specs (121 x 67 x 11): it's 8mm shorter, 3mm narrower, and 1.1mm thicker than the tg01 (129 x 70 x 9.9).

Looking at the pics on the ai.rs blog, what's up with the back cover? Is that just a battery cover or does that potentially hide a thin slide out keyboard (that obviously people have been NDA'd from talking about)? Maybe it's just wishful thinking....
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
Personally I think the TP2 is a meaningful upgrade from the X1 - the keyboard is immeasurably much better, and it has a much larger, nicer screen. I think it's probably faster too. I like its version of TouchFLO better than the Xperia panels interface, but that's more subjective. Whether you like the OmniaPRO will largely depend on whether or not you like Samsung's "TouchWiz" interface, I suspect. Get a demo somewhere, see if you like it.

If you're a Sony Ericsson fan then keep an eye out for the X2 as well.

My suggestion of the OmniaPRO was based on the assumption that you wanted a physical keyboard, btw - if that's not the case then there are lots of other options.

If you are not too firmly wedded to Windows Mobile then you should check out the upcoming Nokia N900 as well.
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
too big is also a strange term....a bit like something being too heavy to carry.

a box that ways 10 kilos but is 2m x 2m is going to be hard to carry..but if the box is 50cm x 50cm and weights 20kilos...it's fine..

so, as long as the Leo sits nicely in the hand, nice rounded edges and comfortable to hold, then it wont be too big...

just my own opinion of course.
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
5mm is 18% of 116mm?! :eek:
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
it's an overall increase of 18%

115 x 60 compare to 121 x 67

approx 18% bigger
[HD2 General] claude4:
Thanks to those who clarified that the initial release of the HD2 will NOT have USA WCDMA frequencies for high speed data but will have the GSM\Edge USA frequencies.

I know the specs showed this BUT this blind man was just not clear on it as I and I expect others are now as well.

So we can only hope HTC and the likes of Expansys-usa will quickly\eventually get one that does have the proper USA frequencies.

Sorry about my apparent incorrect reference to a page number in this thread vs. using post#. I will be more careful in the future.

Thanks,

Claude H.
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
I'm talking about the whole surface area, of course. 8107 mm2 vs 6867,2 mm2. But, like I wrote, that's only the numbers - you have to take other things into consideration also (design, depth, weight, etc. my X1 is pretty heavy but I think the build quality and features makes up for it). I'll give the Leo a try when I can test it live, but I'll probably end up with something smaller.
[HD2 General] owz206:
That's exactly what I was thinking
[HD2 General] maati:
Talk about the volume instead of only the surface area (because that's the correct measure for how much space it takes from your pocket), and the HD2 is actually 13% smaller that the Pro 2. Put another way, the Pro 2 is 30% bigger than the HD2.

That means that the HD2 takes 13% less space in your pocket than the Pro 2. In other words, the Pro 2 takes 30% more space in your pocket as the HD2.

There you have it! Now stop the whining!

PLEASE
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Build quality of the X1?!?!? :confused: You're kidding right? The build quality is appalling!
[HD2 General] gillettone:
htc leo

So no videocalls...:confused:
[HD2 General] Dark Fire:
According to HTCMMS.com.tw, the HTC HD2 will be coming to T-Mobile and Vodafone (as well as O2, as it's already in their brochure) and will not have "Touch" anywhere in the name (the O2 and unlocked versions are also called "HTC HD2"):

http://www.g400.co.uk/blog/pl/technology/more_hd2_info
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I think he may be holding it at an angle to the camera so it's foreshortened. If not, the aspect ratio is very odd.
[HD2 General] skr_xd:
Yes.

I mean Yes for your No;)

I actually mean there is No Video callsupport:D
[HD2 General] -NRG-:
If you are talking about this picture:

http://ai.rs/wp-content/uploads//2009/09/htc_leo_10.jpg

In the comments ai.rs guy msav wrote the following:
[HD2 General] hx4700 user:
Please think before quoting , particularly big posts. You have created a complete waste of space quoting a huge message for very few words of unconnected response.
[HD2 General] vido.ardes:
I think they got Andre the giant reviewing the phone...:p

B3ler3fonte, you are a diamond for sharign all the info you've posted, thank you for all your hard work.

I bought a touch pro about 14 months ago, and I nearly bough a TouchDiamond2 recently. This Leo looks to be exactly what I want, and I can't wait to get one one in my hands. The camera, although not great is much better than the piece o crap on the TP, I have never used a front facing camera in my life and I have an 8GB microSD so the samll internal storage doesn't bother me. Some people have gripes about this phone but for me, it is perfect. I wanted a phone I could use as a sat nav, portable internet machine and of course a phone, and although the iPhone ticks all the boxes it doesn't tickle my fancy (I also already have a iPod touch).

In short I spose what I am trying to say is although this isn't everyones perfect phone, it is MY perfect phone... thanks HTC!
[HD2 General] Shasarak:
I wasn't. :)

I meant this picture: http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ne...2-yes-were-reviewing-so-questions-please.html
[HD2 General] gillettone:
Sorry, I adjusted :eek:

It was only my first post.:o
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
Who's whining? I was just trying to say that I (and many others) prefer a different format over the one used for Leo. Bigger screen is not always better.

The thickness is not a big deal for me. I actually prefer the device to be thicker than Touch HD / iPhone / etc. Following your logic you'd prefer a 300 x 100 x 2 mm device? No, didn't think so.

It's better than any HTC device I've ever held. Maybe I just like prefer metal over plastic or I've been lucky with my X1, but I think it's a very well-built and good-looking device.
[HD2 General] maati:
Lots of people in this thread are whining.

The Leo actually fits more easily in any trousers pocket than devices like the Touch Pro 2 or the XPeria X1.

And yes, I'd prefer a thinner device with a larger screen at any time, as long as it fits in my pocket (this also means that 300x100x2 would be too big, to answer your question - well, maybe it would be foldable then...). The Leo definitely does fit in my pocket, and that's why I prefer it to any of those bulky 17mm thick devices with hardware keyboards, because the Leo is definitely less annoying than a thick Pro 2 or X1 would be.

Aside from the Leo being actually smaller than a TP2 or X1 and less deranging when carrying it in the trousers pocket, there's another reason why complaining about its size is stupid: If it's too big for you, just don't buy it. Nobody says you must buy a Leo and then come here and complain about how big it is.

I'm so pissed by all the people spamming the whole thread with their complaints about the Leo's size! There's enough people who will find the Leo to be the perfect device for them. If it's not the right device for you, then don't buy it, but don't spam the thread either.

If you feel like you must keep on complaining, be it about the size, or the missing front camera or whatever, then please open a new thread or write a letter to HTC.

(And I'm actually not talking directly to you, Cthugha, so don't take this personal. There's lots of really annoying people here that I am talking to.)
[HD2 General] agitprop:
But how dense is it.... I suppose we'll never know until we get that all important weight measurement!:D
[HD2 General] mr_Ray:
Good to see it sit so well in the hand, just as the mock-up I made (cardboard and tape, baby!) the other week sugested it would be. People are getting way to caught up on numbers which they forget are mm, which are pretty tiny little dudes. 5mm? Oh noes, my pocket will esplodez!

Anyway, the hardware has proved itself to be close enough to my needs, the software is trivial - if it's bad that's what xda-devs is for. Voda, T-Mo, O2, Expansys, or anyone else who'll stock it - whichever one of you gets it in stock first gets my monies. Ready, set, GO!

hmmm *Sits waiting impatiently* Hurry up!
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
same as..I don't really care who gets it first...my cash is waiting and will place the order as soon as I see it available. I've been checking all the usual suspects, but no sign of it yet.

my own cardboard mock-up seemed to suggest it would still fit in my pocket, so no back-pack required!!
[HD2 General] Ruudfood:
Yeah, maybe you got lucky. I had a Hermes and not a single crack or scratch on it. My X1 is cracked on the outside and the plastic housing where the battery/SIM/SD card sit is broken all over the place. So much so that the battery cover is practically hanging off. And I look after my phones well. My 2.5 year old Nokia N95 is as sturdy as sturdy can be.
[HD2 General] maati:
I read somewhere that it's lighter than the Touch HD.
[HD2 General] Cthugha:
I hear you mate. Perhaps I'm just a bit annoyed with all the people who carries their precious iPhone in their hands all the time (or sometimes attached to their belt). Maybe it's because they feel the need to show it off ;)

Anyone know if the Leo's capacitive screen will be more prone to scratches?
[HD2 General] maati:
B3ler3fonte said it's glass, so maybe/hopefully it's the same type of toughened glass that's in the iPhone.
[HD2 General] banesi:
1,230 mAh battery, this is joke battery, for kids, huge phone with so little battery power, amazing
[HD2 General] yas200:
htc leo with dvbh?

as snapdragon chipset family 8x50 support mobile tv broadcast ( mediaflo isdb and dvbh )

http://www.qctconnect.com/products/snapdragon.html#Technical Features for QSD8x50 chipsets

can we expect to have dvbh in this phone i'm really interested cause i live in a country where dvbh is already implemented and working perfectly saw it with a nokia n96
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
I somehow doubt that anyone of those who have their hands on the device will try the glass by scratching. :)
[HD2 General] twisted-pixel:
it does seem a bit low on power considering the HD had a 1350 battery, however maybe the chipset used draws less current...or maybe (much to the annoyance of others) a bigger bttery would have meant that the size was just tooo big for a pocket, so they had to reduce it.

I just hope you can get longer than a day out of it
[HD2 General] lambstone:
well, the iphone "toughened" glass cracks quite easily so yeah, it'll be better if Leo has a Toughened x10 glass + the anti-smudge coating!
[HD2 General] vangrieg:
It may crack but at least it doesn't scratch easily - that would be nice to have.
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
Snapdragon was advertised as a very power-efficient platform, but, of course, only real-world tests will prove that. :)
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
hey guys , i dont know if anybody had already asked about this.

what the lanauage is writen in the back cover? and what does it mean? anybody knows?

im super curious what it says:

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet

Consectetur adipiscing

Elit. Fusce at augue

In bibendum
[HD2 General] cidriver:
The only case that I use always is form Piel Frama (Spain) I was there twice and I they made everything by hand, that's at least a full warranty.
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
It is Latin. It is normally just wording that is used as a space filler by Marketing people until the real text replaces it. Doesnt normally actually mean anything.
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
i get it! thank you very much.

there will have other words replace this latin right?
[HD2 General] LeeMC79:
I would think so. Either that or they'll remove the wording altogether. In any case, the Latin won't (shouldn't...) be there on the final product.
[HD2 General] D-MAN666:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum ;)
[HD2 General] JohnQ:
thank you two guys

leemc79 & d-man666