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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] andrew-in-woking:
Competition, Unity and the value of a community

Hi all

One of the reasons I like this forum is that I have a strong belief in the value of a community and the power that a community has to change its destiny over other types of organisations. One of the advantages I believe a community has, for example over a consumer group, is that within a community there is no need for competition. Competition is, in that sense, redundant. So personally, I do not welcome competition between members/chefs, etc. I believe that everybody involved in the forum, as it is a community, will benefit most from cooperation between members/chefs.

Out of interest competition is necessary for the survival of a capitalist and/or consumption based society whereas unity is necessary to the survival of a community. For me, the most serious problem arising from this dispute is that there are now different groups of members who have taken sides and, more crucially, who have been asked officially not to post in particular threads. On the basis of this outcome I would like to ask one question:

Would this forum (community) be a better or worse place for its users if the parties involved in the dispute detailed above worked in complete cooperation from the beginning rather than competed with one another?

i.e. Would there be more or less good ROMS and other resources available for our phones? How many members who are already or could be really good chefs have been put off by what they have read in this thread simply because they don't want to get stuck in the middle?

I refuse to point the finger at any single member or group of members but I suggest everybody who has posted in this thread about the dispute should consider the effect that their involvement has had on this forum (community). For those of you to whom this applies I really think you need to bear in mind that without a significant level of unity, i.e. we are all on the same team because we're all here (in the XDA-Developers forum) because we want the same things, better resources for our phones, then the value the forum brings to its members is very seriously reduced.

For any new members who have, as I have, been reading this thread with a level of dismay, please don't think that what you have read is typical of this forum. Generally this forum is an extremely supportive place where a huge amount of individual perseverance and collaboration produces great tools and resources for Windows Mobile and Android phones. I think that it is extremely rare that users and chefs decide not to work together.

Best wishes to all

andrew-in-woking
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
If your first post was deleted, what makes you think it was a good idea to post it a second time? If you feel this way, it would be better communicated POLITELY via PM.

Please no additional commentary, the idea is to diffuse the situation, not stir it back up. We are more than capable of handling the situation and it would a lot easier without additional commentary from everyone with an opinion about anything.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sepponearth:
Thank you scotchua and other mods for keeping this forum about phones and not fighting :) XDA is getting some of this Friday's paycheck for sure, ilu<3

Also, I can't wait for at0m to be back so I can get in on his sweet, sweet ROMage.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] andrew-in-woking:
Who has flashed?

Hi all

If you have flashed this ROM, can you please post a review? It would be good to understand how well this ROM works in practice.

Thanks

andrew-in-woking
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
Not sure if it matters since At0m took the ROM down. It can't be downloaded anymore.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Captain_Throwback:
thread closed due to ROM removal, etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] scotchua:
NRG has contacted me and informed me that upon reflection he believes his claim was made in error, and that he was confusing At0mAng with someone else. He told me i could edit the post, however, i felt that adding an additional comment by myself was more substantive.

On a personal note, I wish that all those offended by the comment has chosen to simply ask for clarification rather than using it as a launching point for additional arguing. Self-serving bickering from people who are too impatient to allow the process to work does irreparable harm to the forum, and to other users. In the future, please think long and hard before you post. Nothing you have to say typically needs to be posted when you are angry. These types of conflicts seem to be the most important thing at the time they occur, but anyone who has been here a long time knows that they usually forgotten nearly as quickly as they arise.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Captain_Throwback:
Thread is re-opened. Please post only ROM-related issues.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sergio76:
Welcome back At0mAng any news and updates coming on the way?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Thank you Scotchua for helping me correct a wrong. Also send my thanks to Tim. Thanks to Captain Throwback too!

This is the only thing I will say on the subject matter.

The wrongs I felt were done were corrected by XDA and their staff. Once they knew all the information they made the right call and I thank them for doing that. It would have been easy to ignore the issues but they took the time to correct what I thought were wrong doings and for that I say thanks to them.

I am not here to make enemies and if I make some friends along the way that is cool. If you do not agree with my methods of handling my work then share it in a constructive manner please. Before anyone goes on more about that my ROMs are "commercial use" please take the time to read the first post or two of the thread. I may have turned down two people at the most with the reply of go find one thread to post something useful and then leave me your email address.

If you want to make comments about my work then at least take the time to read my thread so I do not hear any excuses like well...that was the info I was given. It is played out and lame. A great majority of the info is right on the front page.

Also to set the record straight by me. I was never banned before and I never had anyone complain about me to this website in anyway before this happened.

I learned some lessons along the way like who to trust and not trust and maybe some others have learned some lessons too.

So anyways...now the ROM talk. I will have some new ROMs in the coming days. Some of the stuff in my ROMs will have newer updates then what I mistakingly shared with others.

Keep an eye on this thread for all download links and important updates.

Thank you to all who showed your support towards me.

To me this episode is over and done with but I am not sure how I am going to proceed from here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] iamrobk:
Thanks for coming back! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
You're welcome!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] laurence0609:
I hope every one who has read this thread realize the value of the message that our friend Andrew is sharing. imho, it makes sense! Thanks, Andrew, and to all the great chefs and members alike!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlavoie:
At0mAng,

nice to see you posting again!

"So anyways...now the ROM talk. I will have some new ROMs in the coming days. Some of the stuff in my ROMs will have newer updates then what I mistakingly shared with others."

do i smell 2.5 landscape support?

Thank you for your time and hard work!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bimori:
Yeh atom!!!...

I've used your ROM's in the past, and I saw your spat with NRG, I definitely understand why u would be mad...but mad props for coming back
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Thanks!

Lets leave what happened in the past...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
I am not saying a word till my ROM drops...

I am just taking care of old business now...

Also I am not sure where I will end up posting my ROMs....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jlavoie:
i completely understand! just wanted to post something positive and hopeful. thanks again for the update.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Thanks man! Hopefully more of that will be going around :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Supertrooper:
Just let us know. Build it and they will come. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hondamx525:
I really enjoy your roms stability atom, its alot nicer setting up with the add on pack and what not now too. Good Cookin!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
nice

class act! great cook!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jafarkhan:
Yeah! Rock on dude!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Very big update!!!

Pleae read the top of the first post for a major announcement and another soon to follow.

Start picking out the icons that YOU would like to use in YOUR OWN ROM on the start menu and through out ROM. In the next generation or the generation following you will see something done that has not been seen yet in user customization of ROMs.

I cleaned out the cob webs from the part of my brain that held all of my previous programming knowledge and it is about to run wild on this scene :D

I have talked the talk before and backed it up so be prepared for something HUGE.

Also get get your cabs ready for your favorite programs that you would cook yourself into YOUR OWN ROM.

You will need it :D

This is what happens when I am pushed and challenged!

The gauntlet has been thrown!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Also...

Have your favorite settings ready in REG or XML format.

What is about to be created will be basically a kitchen on your phone for YOU to make the ROM YOURS!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Nice as...er I mean butt!

Now let me concertrate on what I need to do!

Thanks :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwny:
Good to see ya back....I'm ready!!

signature old
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hrcesal:
Love to try ROMs

Hello. This is my first post. I have decided to donate to your cause. I am trying out your stuff and thought it would be nice to be on top of what you are doing. Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ai6908:
Looking forward to the new stuff At0m.:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] brahmanto:
Atom... welcome back... Look forward your Superb ROM....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
donation

Come on dude just gave a $300 donation, want some wicked ****! LOL
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] calculus:
Hey At0m.

You are not going to cook "Sashimi" into your ROMs, are you?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
joking

woh just joking about the 3bills!:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] HeavyComponent:
YES SIR!!!

EDIT: So do we email them to you or post them here? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
Hi res

I would love to see some Hi Res icons for the home screen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
Aww sh!t!! :D:D:D:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Haha...with a REAL donation like that I can go for a week or so without part time work and putting all spare time into my new Fusion Visual UC :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Just to claify...

My latest copy of Manila (TF3D) both 2.1 and 2.5 are not available to download any where yet. If it gets leaked from another source that is ok, I will have a newer one after that.

I am not referring to my ROMs that can not be downloaded anywhere yet.

The good thing that came out of the BS was I found a new incredible source and guaranteed me all of the latest stuff cause he/she loves my work and believes what was done to me was totally wrong and for a few other reasons I will not mention in this thread due to the respect of XDA and the mods that worked with me to get the right thing done :D

See...out of everything bad something good comes out :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Your email was too funny :D

Please post you ideas about Fusion Visual UC in the thread for it please.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
now thats a rom that we would all like to have.

people I feel we will all have something very special coming our way very soon. :D

I for one can not wait as the last rom from At0mAng is still on my phone and I havent even thought about flashing another rom.:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Thanks Man!

Check this out

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=560371
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] backpacker96:
Hi! How can I become the private user and get the excellent ROM? thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
Hi have a look at the first page under the heading

Private Use ROM here you will find all you need to know.

I hope this helps you.

Cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
Zboost

I have a Zboost new in the box, if anyone needs one ill sell it for$100 and give the cash to our cook towards a new TP2 I have one setup in my house and love it. went from one bar to full.

let me know. I think they go for $249 new
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skycamefalling:
Very nice to have you back again :)

I loved your ROMs in the past and I surely will in the future.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Do those actually work? I switched over to T-Mobile for two days a month or so ago and had no signal in my house...If I have no service it at least give me 1 bar?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
zboost

Works great. Put the antena up in the attic and the base unit in the house.

good for 2200Sft
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] kevinniven:
zboost

if you can stand on the roof and get lets say full service it would bring it in the house full bars
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
ETA for ROMs is Wednesday night.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sir_reign:
This has to be the best start to the day!

Just got into work and logged on to see you are back!

Welcome Back At0m! Looking forward to what your planning, sounds amazing!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Private messges...

For the people who sent me private messages in the past hour or so about this ROM, please resend. Once again I received a bunch of lovely private messages and just deleted every thing all at once.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ultimate:
nice to have you back at0m~!~!

look forward to your new ROM~

btw, are you or will you still working on the FULL CHT rom?

f.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bob5555:
Hi At0m,

welcome to back. I love your ROM. Good work.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ind0mi:
wb

welcome back! Can't wait to flash!

donation: 08N921425Y258201E :):cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] osrix:
This sounds incredible At0m!!!

Great that you're back dude, and even better that you've come back standing tall with a massive grin!:D

Viva la Revolution!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sonicqe2:
welcome back At0mAng!

Your roms are wonderful. Great work!

I look forward to continuing..:)

Greetings from Hungary!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] controller38:
Thanks god you are back At0mAng!

I love your ROMs and looking forward to the new ones!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gilord:
toggle wifi

Hello,

This rom is the only one with the wifi toggle switch. It's very usefull. Can you tell me where can I found this .cab please

I found one for bluetooth connection but nothing for wifi.

thank you
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] weenween:
Glad that you are standing tall with a wide grin. There with you man.

Now I eagerly awaits the "killer" ROM. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] someeh:
Glad your back meng!!! do it up for us NY'ers :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Thank you everyone!

I am trying for the new ROMs to be out tomorrow so when I get back in after class I will be working on them.

Yes, still planning for CHT and ITA.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vapor:
welcome back A. It's great to have you back and am eagerly awaiting this super ROM :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Some of you are pathetic!

It appears there are a few people around here that are jealous and feel threatend to have some competition and wanna play games. I just noticed that my ROM thread and Tom's thread have had a lot of negitave ratings which I have never recall seeing before.

I am not accusing anyone but just stating facts.

Who in here hates myself and Tom?

To the select few who have different accounts, we know who you are...you can stop playing your games :D

Not that the little stars matter but the fact that a select few go through that trouble to do something so petty is pretty pathetic...

Send me one more lovely private messages and I will expose you for the rats you are.

Fair warning so stop the BS!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skycamefalling:
LOL, I never knew we are able to vote the threads :D

Nevermind, why should these stars count for your fans? ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
It's the fact that they do that and over the past 2 days, since my ban has been lifted I have recieved many nasty private messages from users who have 1 or 0 posts.

I guess it is all just a coincidence...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
@At0mAng: There is a report PM button for a reason. Don't let the "haters" get you down, rise above them.

We'll try and find out if they are "Sock Puppets", we found the ones that you created ;)

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skycamefalling:
I don't think it's a coincidence and I guess you are right with your claims.

What I was saying is, you should't care about it too much. Let the stupid kids play.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sergio76:
100% right. At0mang
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Sergio76:
Im using at the moment tom's rom and i thing is very very good.

Just waiting for your. ;) :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] matttytn2:
mate this is funny just laugh about it and thank you for everything
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Release

Just tested my latest ROM on my friends phone and I think it is good enough for a public release tonight or early AM.

Private build of same ROM will be sent out tomorrow after I polish up the first release :D

What's the difference? More tweaks and a few other things in private ROM that takes a lot of time...

Don't worry...my public release will blow 99% of the other ROMs out of the water and my private one is even better :D

I give private one to private members because they take the extra time out to help ohters (what a forum community is about) and/or make a donation to developers cause they appreciate their work...It also helps with people who do not take the time to read everything on first page or who do not bother searching before they ask something which cuts down on the same questions over and over.

I try to answer almost all the questions asked cause I feel if someone is releasing their work to the public they should also be there for them to help with any problmes they may have...

If you disagree then I am a greedy (fill in your own word) :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bxsteez:
I had to make a slight adjustment so people will kick the idea that only people who are private members are those who donate.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Thanks but even then a select few people will still claim that...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skycamefalling:
Best thing I heard in the last days. We thought we've lost you...bad grass never dies, I guess :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Zillator:
When I read your post, I immediately remembered a poem I read a few years ago.

It's kind of funny, how well it actually fits the events of the past few days... ;)

A Removal from Terry Street by Douglas Dunn

On a squeaking cart, they push the usual stuff,

A mattress, bed ends, cups, carpets, chairs,

Four paperback westerns. Two whistling youths

In surplus US Army battle-jackets

Remove their sister’s goods. Her husband

Follows, carrying on his shoulders the son

Whose mischief we are glad to see removed,

And pushing, of all things, a lawnmower.

There is no grass in Terry Street. The worms

Come up cracks in concrete yards in moonlight.

That man, I wish him well. I wish him grass.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaMenaCe:
I still think this "hate" and discussions is because of the private rom thing.

I even think that At0m is enjoying it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MeatyCoins:
the last release was good but i had two issues

-data connection lagged or did not connect

-random freeze then reset

im hoping your new rom will fix any small errors, keep up the work !

thanks for the great rom btw :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
When you register with a name like AceIsAnAss:D(geinus, by the way) you are looking to get caught.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] slimsuse:
trying to get ahold of you at0m!!

lol

it is proving VERY difficult indeed!! :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Supertrooper:
Its a shame people don't want to grow up. Hell, I admit I flash everyone's roms to test them out. If I use them for a week or more they get some cold beer on me. But the little school yard malicious crap is getting old. Don't stoop to there level AtOm, just do what you do. :cool:

Sorry had to get that off my chest. Looking forward to your 2.5. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] moSess:
Hands down winner for the creepiest avatar here on XDA
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MDANavymom:
Wow, go away for a couple of days and all hell breaks loose. Had a lot of reading to do to catch up.

I have been on this board for a number of years. I wish I could say this is the first time I have seen this happen, well maybre taken this far. There does seem to be differences to pop up here and there.

Over the years I have helped chefs both by testing and by donations. I see nothing wrong with helping out those who take the time to share their talents. If I use a persons ROM or programs I do donate to them. To say that donating to chefs for their ROMs is wrong, well I don't necessary agree with, but that is me.

Keep up the good work A.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the_matrixx:
where did you find a working bluetooth toggle cab? all of the ones i find don't seem to work.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ace10134:
BlueToggler: http://thewingster.com/bluetoggler.aspx

Used to work for the Wing, and I just assumed it'd work for the TP2.