yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I'm no god...but the answer is that you can ignore the unlock code advice -- it's not needed if you've done the hardspl.

So you may proceed to flash non-TMoUSA-radio-roms...but be aware that the stock radio-rom is not available so (for now at least) there's no going back.

(Apparently the unlock advice was needed before the hardspl was available, but that was months ago. Seems like that obsolete advice should be deleted by moderator so that people aren't continuing to be misled/confused.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] systematicdecline:
4.49.25.17

I originaly had the topaz radio installed from stock. i then flashed to this radio with no DLL. and its night and day with phone reception. i live in a bad area where i only got 1 maybe 2 bars, and it switch from Edge, 3G, to H.

Now it seems to stay solid. but i have 3 to 4 bars in my house for the first time in ever 3 years i have lived here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vsicarbon:
ahh thank you. Yeah someone should edit that since it is a sticky post
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
I think there is some confusion because of the first post but here is a bit of an explaination:

1) HardSPL is required to flash custom ROMs and other Rhodium radios.

2) The Rhodium unlock program by Olipro does two main things:

a) It SIM unlocks your Rhodium so that you can use it with a different carrier, and

b) It "Security" unlocks your Rhodium so that you can flash non-Rhodium (like Topaz) radios (assuming of course that they are patched for the Rhodium).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Montecristo:
I can install this radio in my AT & T Tilt 2?

Do not miss the bands of my country? continue to operate all the same???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Flashing a new radio does nothing to change the bands...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
That makes sense...but still:

The very first line of instruction on Post#1 is:

"First you will need to unlock your phone and you can do that HERE"

and that is more than confusing -- it's false -- since you

don't

need to do that first -- you don't need to do that

at all

, for any of the radio-roms linked in Post#2.

As for using Topaz radio: the unlock link for that is provided under the heading "Topz Radio"...so again, that earlier line instructing to begin flashing any radio by unlocking your phone is simply not true...and confusing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Yeah, there is a mistake in the first post: the first link in the first post should point to the HardSPL thread, not the Unlocker thread.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bundin:
It's time someone takes a critical look at the first post. From all info I've been able to find, there's hardly any rilphone.dll's available for the Rhodium. Chefs mostly don't mention anything radio-related in their topics either. Apparently the jury is still out on rilphone + wimo6.5, it could be a service instead. Unlocking may or may not be needed to flash non-Rhodium radio's..

All this can be rather confusing for someone looking for information. Even reading the entire thread (which I've done several times) won't give definite answers. So I'd like to propose a rewrite of the first post:

I have edited in efrant's information, it matches anything I've found out about rilphone.dll on Rhodium. Googling resulted in several topics on the subject in the Raphael forum. Going through these atm.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
I totally agree. The first post should definitely be rewritten.

Not sure if this will help anyone at all, but this is the info I've learned relating to some of the issues you mentioned:

1) You DO need to be security unlocked to flash non-Rhodium radios.

2) rilphone.dll's for the Rhodium and Topaz (and likely all newer devices) are now modules, and not a file, so you can't just copy it onto your device and have it work. It needs to be cooked into the ROM. This has nothing to do with WM6.5, it is device related.

3) The rilphone.dll in older devices affects, along with everything you mentioned, name display (CNAP) for certain carriers (i.e. Rogers) as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] someyungguy:
Are modules made from files or are they modules first. If they are made from files isn't there a way to turn them back to files? Like recmod.exe or is this not workable? Thanks for any insight?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I think you're in the wrong thread of the wrong forum. Your post sounds like a question about Windows Mobile development in general, so seems like it belongs in a subforum of the Development and Hacking forum....not this thread about radio roms for Rhodium.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] snovvman:
For U.S. T-Mobile TP2s...

I am reading that 4.49.25.17 is giving good results, even without rilphone.dll. Is this accurate?

Is UMTS/HSDPA/3G results at least as good as the OE radio?

Is there another radio version that works better for U.S. T-Mobile TP2s?

And so far, there is no going back to OE radio--is this correct?

Thanks!

Edit: Is better battery life observed with 4.49.25.17 as well?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
He was just asking a question related to the post immediately above his. I believe he was asking specifically about rilphone.dll's for Rhodium radios (as would follow logically from the previous post)... :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Ahh, yes...I see -- now. It was such an odd post...I shouldn't have assumed that the poster was clueless -- I was. :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] temperbad:
IS this the right radio to ruturn

is this the radio I should flash to return to TMOBILE? USA 4.49.25.05
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sumflipnol:
I'm using 4.49.25.17. It's good for me. You might prefer a different one; try them all. 3G is better for me on this radio than the stock. There is no stock T-Mobile radio available, but there's a "stock" T-Mobile ROM around here that (I believe) comes with a radio that is close enough to the stock, just for warranty purposes. I noticed a better battery performance than with the stock radio (using the same ROM, over a week-long span, so it's a fair test).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stickplayer:
I got AT&T 3G on my TM TP2...

Yes I did.

Like (it seems) everyone else, my tm tp2 was at best seeing 3G for an instant, then losing it, but usually not even seeing it. Edge worked fine. I'm using the energy ROM (currently version 21864) with no special radio firmware.

I posted this there too, but the other day I was in the Sunland community (North of the San Fernando Valley in Southern California) for some hours, and had a solid and working 3G connection on AT&T the whole time.

Once leaving the area, I again get only Edge.

Conclusions? Would be curious to know. If indeed the radio hardware is different (and I would class this as a rumor unless some electronics design guy has actually checked this physically with the two devices), then that suggests that AT&T has towers in that area that work like t-mobile's, and thus would expect that native AT&T devices would fail 3G there, no?

But I think this is unlikely, and suggests that it is in fact something about the firmware. Other postings claim that a single chip controls the radio bands and that this chip is programmable for ALL the bands worldwide. Again, that may or may not be true for ALL version of the TP2 - I definitely don't know.

But it is a *fact* that I had a working, fast, and stable 3G connection from AT&T on the tm tp2 in that area. That has to mean something folks. Any takers?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5049193&postcount=7496
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stickplayer:
Well, I suggest the disbelief and suggestions that I am being untruthful just be ignored. It happened. Deal with it. It suggests interesting possibilities, and I think that's more important that the claims being made.

Frankly, the "it's the hardware" claim is just being repeated over and over, but the only credible statement I've found about the hardware is that all the TP2's use a chip that is programmable and capable of ALL bands. The tm tp2 hardware claim can't be tracked down (by me, yet) to any credible source. That doesn't mean it is wrong, but my evidence suggests there is something amiss here.

If the bands were nailed as suggested, and so different, then why is it common for tm tp2 users, on att, to at least report momentary 3G sightings? If the bands were so different, there'd be none. The evidence is that things are closer than some pundits (who haven't looked for themselves at the hardware) may think, and maybe people are just repeating what they've heard.

All I can say for certain is that what I report occurred. The 3G symbol was there, the speed was noticeably faster than Edge. I have no further information nor any way to get in and find out what was going on. I *could* go back up to the same area and try again however.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Well, don't take it from me. Olipro (while he is not the Rhodium God, he come close :) ) has stated that while you may be able to enable all 3G bands on the Rhodium radio hardware, the antenna are cut to different sizes. A 1700MHz antenna may be able to pick up an 850 MHz signal, but it won't be at all stable, nevermind optimal.

So, as you said, the actual radio chip may support all bands. The antennas do not.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stickplayer:
This is the one explanation that would cover all occurrences I think, and explain the mistaken "it's the hardware" thing.

I wonder if anybody has figured out an external antenna for the device, but this makes great sense.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Never suggested that you were being untruthful. If it was implied, I apologize.

But it is a "hardware thing". That's the point. The antenna are different. Hardware doesn't just mean the "chip"...

Never suggested that the bands were "nailed"...

By the way, just because your device says "3G" or "H" doesn't necessarily mean you are getting 3G, particularly with a cooked ROM based on a unreleased (read: beta) version of a WM6.5 OS.

If you do a speed test, anything up to 384kbps is still not 3G.

Would be great if it could be done. Maybe something like soldering in an extra antenna internally.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
This is NOT the stock Tmo USA radio.

I believe it's a Euro-T-Mobile version.

Stock T-Mobile USA radio is not available.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] temperbad:
i dont know how many times In this Site that Ive asked a question and its been unanswered...... At ppcgeeks they get er done........... Unfortunantly they dont deal with gsm radios so Pleaseeeeeeeeeeeee........

Can someone answer my question??????????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] temperbad:
right when I complain you answer......lol

Ok so since theres no stock radio........How do I return the phone??????????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Coincidentally, I just answered your question 2 minutes before your post.

But, really, it's been posted in this thread more than once: T-Mo USA stock radio is not available.

Sometimes people don't answer questions that have been answered multiple times in the same thread.

Dude, with your attitude problem you don't deserve an answer -- this isn't a reference desk, buddy. I think your screen name is apt.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] temperbad:
Once again, I didnt ask If its stock, so dont be a smart asz saying its been answered that its not stock........ that wasnt my question, I asked if thats the one to ruturn it with............

Learn to read dude.......
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Ok, maybe there is some miscommunication here.

First of all, do you need to return your device to T-Mobile USA? If so then here is the information you need to know:

1) the radio you need to return your device to T-Mobile USA is the T-Mobile USA stock radio;

2) the T-Mobile USA stock radio is not available;

3) you do the math.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] temperbad:
yes tmobile USA..... And that sucks, warrenty voided, well, ill flash the tmobile One on page one, relock and hope for the best.....lol

someone really needs to dump that, someone of more intelligence than I......

Thanks for ya help
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Yes, it would be nice if someone smarter than us would extract all the stock radios. Would help a lot of people out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MRFERRARI23:
I wonder how good this radio 4.49.25.17 would work on my at&t tilt 2??? Hmmm has anyone flashed to this radio on at&t that can report?? thanx guys!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Seems like I've seen several in that category...but, for one, a member name "Kwill" who's been posting on the Valkyrie/agent_47 rom thread is with ATT and his signature says 4.49.25.17. Presumably he's happy with it or he'd change it...you could PM him to ask directly.

There are probably others that are find-able based on info in their signatures...

Does the OS-rom with which the radio-rom is paired make a difference? I don't know, but maybe that's a factor to consider, too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MRFERRARI23:
Ok thanx... yea I know who your talking about and I actually just pm'ed him about it!! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] turtle2472:
It's working great on my Tilt 2 in Tidewater VA. Good signal and GPS lock. Overall better than stock actually.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MRFERRARI23:
thats awesome to know, but for how long have you been using this radio for an how is the battery life on it???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] PiSigma:
I'm really happy with 4.49.25.17 on my Tilt 2. I'm in NC, north of Charlotte. Running NRG ROM Photon from 10/28 so WM6.5, Manila 2.1. I've got 3G on all day along with Bluetooth. Phone off the charger at 6am. 1-2 hours of calls. Hitting an Exchange server all day and a POP account every 15 minutes. Periodic weather and stock updates. 1/2-1 hour web browsing. it's now 9:30pm and I'm at 55% battery. GPS lock is almost always < 30 sec. indoors.

Overall much better reception and battery life than my Fuze with NRG ROM Photon 10/14 and radio 1.14.25.05.

I can't compare it much to the stock AT&T radio (4.48.25.20 was on this one) since I flashed it less than an hour after getting it. Was briefly on the 3.46.??.?? radio that goes in with Olinex's security unlocker and that didn't seem bad either, but I wasn't on that long either. Been on 4.49.25.17 for about 1.5 months now, ever since I got my Tilt 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MRFERRARI23:
Thats very good to know!! though im using atomang fusion v6 tf3d v2.5 rom but ill def keep it in mind!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
I agree with PiSigma. I run only NRG ROMs because my phone is used for work and I flashed the new ROM and Radio within hours of getting me Tilt2 from AT&T. I did not do a baseline test with the stock radio. With 4.49.25.17 radio I am getting 0.40MB DL and 0.60 UL. I have not found a ROM with the stock radio other than the one that is used for warrantee purposes and I don't want to put the stock SPL back on my phone. If someone did give us a file to flash just the stock radio (4.48.25.20) I would compare both with the NRG ROM and see which one is the best. For now I am very happy with 4.49.25.17. Until we have more new AT&T or HTC radio added I can’t test others. I am not ready to Security unlock my phone to test other phone radios.

Battery life is great 3 days+ with one charge 3 POP email accounts every 2 hours, Exchange server every 2 and 4 hours, 21 RSS feeds every 2 hours, SPB weather 5 cities every 5 hours, Opera 10 surfing 1-2 hours a day, 1 hour of calls, 15 minutes of GPS and some Pandora music. Is this the radio or the ROM? This is only what I can tell you what I like and what my set up is.:p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MRFERRARI23:
which version of NRGZ rom are you running v2.1 or v2.5 of TF3D?? and you said 3 days w/out a charge and you've done all that you mentioned?? hmm..... im currently using the stock radio that came with my tilt 2 and im on atomang fusion 6 rom v2.5 and my battery goes pretty fast if im using the phone, more quickly that I think it should!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
I use SPB Mobile Shell so I only flash Titanium ROMs. NRG just released a new ROM for build 28008 for 2.1 and 2.5. I am running build 21877, this one is stable and with my phone being a work phone I need stability.

Battery update. OK I charged my phone the other night 9PM. I worked all day and was in meetings for 4 hours with only 1 bar of signal. My normal auto sync of email and RSS feeds applied. No Pandora and 30 minutes of web surfing and 5 minutes of GPS and when I got home I must have done 4 softresets (removed Opera 10, google maps and Bing, then installed Opera 10 beta 2, google maps 3.3 and Bing 5.0.1) and it is 3:30 AM and I still have 68%. In my eyes this is good.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DeadBirdDog:
I ran the stock AT&T radio (4.48.25.20) radio for the first month and while it was fine on battery life I have to say I wasn't all that impressed with signal. I've just upgraded to the 4.49.25.17 radio and I'm already seeing an extra bar here at home. I'll give it a few days to test out and report back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dominicanman912:
not a total noob, just a noob at radio flashing

hey guys, got a question. i downloaded the radio that i want to use and when i open the cab file just looking through it, i notice CustomRUU.exe along with the actual cab of the radio and rilphone.dll folder. do i need to run customruu.exe first or just run the radio cab. was looking for the actual step by step radio flashing but could find it except at the top of the thread and its really vague. btw im trying to flash the tmobile radio and i have a tmobile branded tp2. thanks in advance!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Flashing a radio is the same as flashing a ROM. Read up on it here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=550540
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dominicanman912:
thanks man... awesome... ran across the page but didnt read all of it.. thanks again. you guys rock
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] glz88:
unlock phone?

Why do we need to unlock the phone first before flashing the radio? I had a fuze before this and I just flased a radio like i did a rom after installing the hardspl.

Also which of the roms above would be best to optimize GPS usage in the U.S.? I have leo energy rom installed now with 4.48.25.20 and the gps is manageable but not great by any means. my fuze used to get a quicker fix on it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Sec unlocking is for flashing radios not intended for your device (i.e. Topaz radios). You can flash Rhodium radios with just Hard SPL.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Dave, could you change the first link in the first post to point to the HardSPL thread? I think that is what's confusing people.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bundin:
The first post should be changed a bit when it comes to rilphone.dll as well. At least add a warning that the file needs to be either cooked in, or replaced with correct sign/cert. I recall seeing a post about someone just copying it in and losing their radio (a link to here might be a good idea). Maybe At0mAng could comment as well on whether he got it to work or not (see linked topic). It seems he tried creating the CABs he mentioned in the first post, but didn't succeed (or didn't post if he succeeded later).

I've searched and asked around a bit and I've found no definite answer so far on whether you should match the rilphone.dll with your radio or your carrier, or that you shouldn't worry about it too much because the advantages are minor.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aspazatak:
when I download the 4.49.25.17 Radio I don't have a rilphone.dll cab with it. Do I have to download this from somewhere else or is it built in now?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Hi mate, sorry in taking ages to do this.

It's done now.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
Hi Dave, not to be a pain, but I think the last sentence in the first post is confusing. I suggest that it should read:

"As it stands now, the only way to get a rilphone.dll to work properly in a ROM is by cooking it into the ROM."

instead of what is currently there: "A matching rilphone.dll needs to be cooked into the ROM, or...."
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Fair point, changed.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rick94:
Hello everyone.

Flashed radio: 4.49.25.17 a few months ago.

But since I have T-Mobile as a carrier does this mean that I get a better signal with that radio? I would like to try it but I heard that some had to hard reset their device, and something with rillphone ?

EDIT

Checked all the other radio and .17 is definetly the best.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] 69Pwned:
Just flashed 4.49.25.17 on my Tilt 2.

Went from 3 bars on 3G to FULL bars .......... :eek:

Many thanks guys !!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bundin:
Many thanks Dave. I know the current text isn't ideal either but it should confuse less people :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] SlimJ87D:
ANybody in the OC area in USA CA?

Which radio works best for you guys?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] omganinja:
Go to phone settings, then band, make sure its set to auto, if this is incorrect it can delay messages, i just discovered this today and set it to auto, messages are now coming in fine :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hskeik:
can you tell please which Radio is best for battery?

I have standard HTC touch pro 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Sorry but I don't think anyone can answer that. Battery life for anyone will depend on the exact usage, signal strength where you are, etc, etc. Try flashing one of the newer radios and see how you get on with it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dashnoob:
Good evening everyone,

First of all I would like to say thanks for all of the hard work that you all have put in.

Second, I have a question about the radio. I have a TP2 from T-Mobile USA and wanted to ask if there are any issues with the one listed on the first page. Just checking before it is done and I choose which ROM to use (so many to choose from).

And yes, I have been reading and sorting through the forum the past couple of days. If I missed the answer, blast away.:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I think that the "T-Mobile" radio listed on the 1st page is from T-Mobile Europe...so it's probably not any more suitable for T-Mo USA than any other radio.

I really like the 4.49.25.17 radio-rom -- lots of people do...as you've probably read if you've been through this thread.

And (if you've read much of this thead) you probably already know that you can't go back to the T-Mo USA radio if you flash to a different one -- it's not available to install.