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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bennyb0y:
4.49.25.95 back to 4.49.25.91

Have been searching and reading through this forum.

Are there any other T-Mobile UK users about? (have only seen steviewevie who's UK but Vodafone and funnily enough on radio 4.49.25.95).

If not then I'll try and give some info re: my experiences with what I've done so far.

I flashed my radio from 3.46.25.18 to 4.49.25.95. Booted up and reception was fine (got "H" alomst immediately, 5 bars) but the GPS did not kick in at all (using TomTom 7).

So I flashed the radio down to 4.49.25.91 and -boom- satellites started appearing like wasps on a honey pot. :)

Usually to save on battery I run the phone on "G" (GPRS) but at the moment have 3G/HSDPA switched on.

So my verdict on 4.49.25.95 is beware of the GPS. Looks like battery is dropping a fair bit but note previous comment on saving battery power.

My Rhodium is ex-Orange (unlocked) so I don't honestly know how much of a difference that'd make to what radio is best for what specific HTC TP2 device. For example I don't know if there are any subtle differences between my phone and a pure HTC TP2 un-branded phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ramsfan_Jim:
I've been on 4.46.25.24 for probably a year now with no problems (including using TomTom 7 regularly etc.). Have you perceived any benefits I would get from moving to 4.49.25.91? Cheers,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bennyb0y:
It's early days but so far so good on the 4.49.25.91 radio.

I find there's a slight lag with Tom Tom 7 (I use version 7.916.9189) when it gives instructions for turning, but that's probably more a ROM or APP thing.

I notice that I'm getting "H" a lot more in areas where I didn't.

Have to admit I was worried about flashing my Radio, but got confidence on my afore mentioned experience when I found the GPS was naff on the latest radio, and flashed down a version.

I suggest you keep a copy of your original radio (to flash back) and try the new one.

The good thing is it's not as drastic as flashing the OS ROM.

Hope this helps.

What Tom Tom 7 version are you using btw ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] keithelite:
Semi-Noobie

Semi-noobie needs help.

I'm currently running the official HTC released Rom from 8/30/10. The only mod on the phone is Cookie's home tab. Ever since I upgraded to the new rom, my signal has been terrible. It constantly cuts in an out so I am considering flashing back to an older radio to see if this helps. I need the cliff notes version of how to do it. I believe I need to install HardSPL which I have downloaded. I also have the link to the radio that I want to try. When I install HardSPL does that erase the Rom itself? If so, how do I get the Official rom back on the phone? To make a long story short, how do I flash a different radio while keeping a stock rom? Is this possible? I've tried searching through the XDA site but honestly everything seems to be over my head in regards to flashing roms/radios etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
The HardSPL thread, the first post, has the best directions for how to run the HardSPL.

To answer your 1st question: Doing the HardSPL does not change the OS ROM -- your official HTC ROM will still be installed.

2nd question: Flashing a radio-rom does not change the OS rom; your official HTC ROM will still be installed.

Flashing a radio-rom is just like flashing an OS rom, and the instructions for that are given in the first post of Flashing your first GSM Rhodium ROM...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aitran131:
Do we need to flash a new radio version for HTC Touch Pro2 Sprint (CDMA and GSM) using SIM card?

Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I think you

shouldn't

be flashing any radio on this sub-forum. These are all for GSM-only.

Look and/or ask in the CDMA sub-forum.

I could be wrong...but flashing in haste can make you very sorry.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BiOs2k:
For me I've downgraded to the 4.49.25.91 I have a good signal and better battery life then 4.49.25.95.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kangburra:
Sorry, when you say then .95, did you mean than, or do you mean it's the next best?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hefman:
I think he meant it's "better than .95"...

He was speaking Canadianglish... ;) :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kangburra:
Okay, thank you, I wasn't sure. I really struggled with .91 and had no luck with .95 so it seemed odd, but everyone seems to get different results.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] PNut:
For me, the 4.49.25.91 is the best so far, also most of the threads where cooks recommend a radio for their ROMs also say to use 4.49.25.91.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joshwah:
Ok I need to know the best radio for me or how to find out which is the best for me. Thanks for any help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
You can find out which is the best for you by trying different versions out. There's nothing to backup/restore when you flash a radio, no settings etc. So it's easy to flash a new radio and try it for a while, then try another one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jdewayne:
Noob stupidity

What's the benefit of upgrading the radio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hefman:
As with any software, you get the benefit of updated/improved code and bug fixes. Most people see improved reception as they flash to newer radio firmware, but newer is not always better and different radios perform differently, depending on your carrier/location. The rule of thumb is to flash different radios until you find the one that works best for you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Yes, and "radio" includes the GPS function, in addition to cell voice/data function.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Possibly better/worse battery life too (especially since with a worse signal you will have worse battery life).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] emilground:
RADIO HTC Touch Pro 2 T7373

Hi, i have a HTC Touch Pro 2 T7373 with 4.49.25.91 RADIO that I would like to update. In My touch pro 2 there is WM6.5 original in italian. Im in Italy and I use HSUPA connection. Where i can find latest RADIO for my HTC?

Best regards, Emiliano

emilground@hotmail.it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
All the Rhodium/TP2 radios that are known of have been posted up in this thread, first posting. Your radio isn't that old, but you could try the .94 or .95 variants. It's easy to experiment with flashing a radio, because unlike with a ROM, there aren't any settings etc that you need to save and restore.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rob_cunningham:
Hi, I am very much new to all this. i have searched around but not found an answer to my problem.

I've been using custom roms for about a month now. First Deepshining X10 and now his latest X11. Followed all instructions - Hard SPL, Task 29, flash new radio and roms, etc All was fine. I flashed 4.49.25.91 radio as recommended for X10/11.

Occasionally, i get or make call and all i hear is a scrambled sound (a bit like when loading a game on an old sinclair with a tape). so i hang up call back and all is fine. but also now the person on the other end can barely hear me too.

i thought this was a radio problem so tried reverting back to 4.49.25.19, which was my original radio but wiki link goes to .17. Either way, with .17 i still have the problem but its not as bad.

Any advice?

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
So you get this problem on different radios. Have you tried flashing back to a stock ROM to see if you still get it ? If so, then it's starting to look more likely it's a problem with your actual phone, and you might want to consider a warranty return for it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rob_cunningham:
Thanks for the reply. A few calls i have had since have been fine so i'm not always getting this issue. I'll reflash the rom, test, still problems then try stock rom. if still bad then i'll go with the warrenty return. UK Vodafone customer service sucks. My phone has been changed several times due to SODs but each time i am without my phone for 1-2 weeks which drives me more insane than getting the SODs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] deeken:
There are 2 steps I take to determine which radio works best for me.

1- Signal strength and call quality while at work

2- GPS satellite capture quickness

I work in downtown NYC and have a Tilt 2 and I need my phone to work in my office. I've recently tried radio 4.49.25.94 but I've never been able to get any signal inside my office. GPS worked well but I need to be able to make calls from my office so I had to let that one go. I just flashed to the 4.49.25.95 radio and so far I got signal in my office and locked on to satellites quickly.

I was using radio 4.49.25.77 previously, which was not bad. I feel that 4.49.25.95 works best for me so far.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TechKit:
i know what you mean

Hi Rob,

I know what you mean about the issue, here in australia im with 3 (merged vith vodaphone) and occasionally i get a garbled call or a normal call that degrades to being garbled and sometimes dropped. I can't really describe the sound as its so random, I can't even think of how to recreate it, lol. I don't think its a phone issue, just crappy tower equipment/software. Try to match errors with yolur location and signal strength, it may help you find the cause of your problem, but I don't think its your phone as you've had a few good calls.

Also, I used to work at a Telco, i understand your pain when having to process warranty :( save yourself the two weeks and give it a try a little longer, sounds like a cell tower issue to me.

EDIT: I am currently using a HTC touch pro 2 T7381 (Rhod110) with radio 4.49.25.95 as of today (prevoiusly 4.49.25.77) and have had no problems at all, except better call quality (nice and loud) so far...

hope this helps:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
This may be slightly off-topic, but there's some intriguing history behind the radio frequencies used in the US, Europe and other countries for our phones and the different technologies involved. I think it's interesting to know about because when some people ask about the 'best' radio firmware to flash for signal reception, it really is very complicated because it's so dependent on carrier, mobile/cell towers, and frequencies used.

So, for some intriguing discussions about this, head on over to this recent Engadget Mobile podcast:

http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/10/24/engadget-mobile-podcast-059-10-24-2010/

Skip to 40 mins (it ends at about the 47 min mark) for the background history and antenna design discussion. Listen to rest if you feel inclined to hear about Windows Phone 7... :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TechKit:
Interesting...

lol, this is good stuff, just when I thought quad-band 3g was only with the iphone (probably wrong, lol) it looks like now its gonna be more crazy with more frequencies and more internal antenna or something like that... technology will be moving right along.... (and so will I...lol):D

Relating this to the radio, I got an inkling that it may be a good idea to keep tabs on who releases the radio and what frequencies they use, they may have enhanced the radio or radio management in those frequency bands. Between 25.77 (australia, telstra)and 25.95(AT&T, US) I haven't noticed any gps differences but the radio seems to provide a slightly better voice experience for me. (UMTS (3G) 850mhz is the common one between US and AU). Country freq. and provider info at gsmarena.com (and click on the coverage button at the top).

This is all good stuff,

Hope it helps ppl out there

:)

EDIT: I have used the 25.95 radio for a little while now (three network in aus, HTC TP2 T7381 in Melbourne) and it seems to hold a call together better, in the past I would hear washy noises occasionally in my calls, now I hear less washy and more patchy (which is better as I know what I missed) and the call is not dropped so much either.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the show stopper:
does anybody know which version is t-mobile touch pro2 stock radio? i have to send my phone back to htc and i don't wanna void the warranty.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Doo Doo:
4.49.25.57
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the show stopper:
cool i thought it was something else thanx :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hatefuel19:
how do I choose the best radio.....tmobile btw
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mccune:
Best way is by trial & error ;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] htcd0tn3t:
my device is from middle east what version suitable for my htc touch pro 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Any of them should work ok. Just try one of the latest ones, and see how you get on with it. You can easily flash another after a while and compare, because unlike with flashing a ROM there's no data/settings to worry about backing up/restoring.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pitflyer:
I am using Energy Rom on a stock Tmobile TP2 radio (.57). I don't currently have full data service, but my phone still swaps in out of '3G' vs 'H' in the exact same area. I can't yet speedtest to see which is faster.

Is this just an icon issue, or is it really going from a lower speed to a higher speed network? Would this be something that a new radio might help me stick with 'H' (assuming that's better)?

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
It's probably not just an icon issue IMHO, but speed tests would tell you for sure. I think it's worth experimenting with different radios to see if it helps. It might just be you're in a marginal reception area for HSDPA, try it and see !
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] pitflyer:
Thanks. So 3G vs H may actually be different. I'll buy the Tmobile Prepaid Daypass when I have some time to experiment with different radios. Just to confirm what I've read, any GSM radio should work on my Tmobile Touch Pro 2 -- despite the latest one being marked 'AT&T' that should work on a Tmobile phone...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
3G is for standard 3G (UMTS) speeds. H is the much faster "HSDPA" download speed. So if you're on "H" you will hopefully get much better data rates.

Yes, any of the GSM radios in this thread should work fine on a GSM Touch Pro 2, no matter what carrier first released it. Try some out and see.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TechKit:
Just a Quick note, since my previous post (pg153 I think), I have been using radio 4.49.25.95. I would just like to confirm with anyone using the previous 4.49.25.77 if they have longer gps lock-ons using the .95 compared the the .77 version. I will be changing back to .77 tonight to verify, I just wanna do a paranoia check, lol. I can confirm slightly more reliable voice converations and data transfers upto 120-130kilobytes per second with the 4.49.25.95 radio.

EDIT(15 nov): not sure what to make of it but it seems like I get better gps with .77 in tougher environments (trees, buildings, hills, etc.) and very slightly better signal and slightly better call quality with .95. Love some feedback if any1 is interested
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mak213:
hey guys, i downloaded 4.49.25.95 but it keeps saying the version on my phone is 25.91. Does anyone have the same problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TechKit:
I haven't heard of that one before, try a task29, flash radio then flash rom, that may fix it.

I can't promise it will work but its an easy way to eliminate a chunk of possible problems,

Hope this helps
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] redpoint73:
I flip-flopped between a couple different radios, flashed that one a couple times (and used it for months), and never had that problem with the phone saying the wrong radio number. Maybe try to flash a different radio, than back to that one again?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Task29 and new ROMs don't touch the radio area. The only interaction the ROM and radio have is through rilphone.dll. That's why it is important to use either your stock radio or the one the chef recommends.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] motisu:
Hi CJB,

I've been using NRG's ROMs for a long time and I never saw him recommend any specific version of radio. Maybe I've been lucky, but I have never had any problems using any combination of radio with ROM. If there really is a recommended version, could you please point me to where it is listed?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
He doesn't have it listed on the page to my knowledge, but the rilphone.dll he uses is based on the radio version 4.49.25.95. I use the T-Mobile stock radio, 4.49.25.57, though and I find it works better in my area. Trial and error is always best for radios. I'd suggest starting out with the chef's recommendation, then moving to the stock for your carrier, then moving to something in between. I can't say that this is scientific in any way, but the recommended radio and stock ones are the most likely to produce the best results.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] trueblue2188:
is there a radio to get tmobile hsdpa + on tp2

so i know that tp2 can support up too 7mbs, so i am looking for a radio that will allow us to use tmobile hsdpa + if it exists i would love to know about it thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
It's a hardware restriction, not software. If you live in an area that has HSPA+, you may notice an improvement in your speeds, but you will not be able to reach the normal HSPA speeds because your hardware does not support it. That being said, pick whichever radio gives you the best performance. Go with the chef's recommendation first, and then try the stock one, if the recommended one isn't doing it for you. If that still isn't working well enough, keep flashing radios until you find one you like. For me, the Stock T-Mobile radio gives me the best data speeds, and GPS locks. Results vary by location normally.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] trueblue2188:
thanks for the info just one more ?, do u happen to know what the tp2s' maximum capable speed is , this will really help in my decision to upgrade to a full hspa + compatible phone
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
The Touch Pro2 down limit over 3G is 7.2Mbit/s, while up speed is limited to 2.0Mbit/s.

The only T-Mobile devices that can access the HSPA+ network so far are the My Touch and G2 Android devices.

You will not see those top speeds ever. Those are just the most it can handle. I've never gotten speeds over 3.2Mbit/s while tethering.

Also a fun fact for you: HSPA is not 4G, no matter how hard T-Mobile advertises it. Neither is Verizon's LTE network. At best, they're 3.9G. The only ones that meet or exceed 4G specifications are LTE Advanced and WiMax. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TrainRekS:
Not the current WiMax, an Updated version, 802.16m, is "supposed to" meet the requirements.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I thought it was the 802.16-2009 (formerly 802.16e) that was 4G. I knew 802.16m was planned as an update later on, though. However, after reading into it a bit, you are correct. 802.16m is the first to meet the minimum 100Mbit/s requirement. Thanks for the correction.

I wish the cell companies would just call it what it is so no one gets confused. By the time LTE Advanced and WiMax make it to the big times, they'll be calling it 5G or 4.5G or something crazy like that.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mrtarrouk:
Latest version is 4.49.25.95 (AT&T), is this mean that only AT&T users can flash it on their devices?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Next time, please don't quote such a long post. Please edit out the unnecessary information from the quote. The name, AT&T, next to the radio simply means that they were the ones to release that radio version. Any device can use it. Just keep flashing radios until you find one you like. For me, the stock T-Mobile radio in my sig works best. Most people have different results.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Joe Bleau:
Benchmark Tool?

May I ask which tool you use to benchmark these down/up speeds?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
I didn't bench the 7.2/2.0Mbit/s speeds. He asked what the top speeds were.

As far as my 3.2Mbit/s, I only got that a couple of times in NOLA. I saw that down speed on www.speakeasy.net/speedtest. The accompanying up speed was 0.8Mbit/s, I believe. I used the Dallas server for this site as it is the closest to me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tufyuma:
No "My Location" with 3G only with Edge??

I have run into something strange: when using “My Location” for weather with “3G” mode (<settings> <wireless controls>) I cannot get any “info” when using “3G”. I noticed when I was at my Dads house, the other day, I was on “Edge” and I got weather updates like I was supposed to. Last night I switched the 3G switch off and have been getting updates like I should, when I switch it back on, no updates. I have tried different radios and roms, nothing seems to help. Data speeds seem to be pretty good on both E and 3G (H). Any ideas, or has anyone experienced this?

Edit: worked fine up unil about a month ago...then just quit working :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] redpoint73:
Its a fairly frequent issue that My Location will not update on some 3G towers, if you read the Energy ROM FAQs. My Location works by reading some location information from the cell tower. So perhaps the particular 3G tower in your area has had a recent issue where the location information is now unavailable. My guess is if you drive to another location, you can get the My Location to work on 3G.

I have a similar case at my work, where I have 4 bars of reception and good 3G data speeds. But usually the My Location information is not updated (but will if I turn off 3G). If i drive just down the road a few miles, it updates right away.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hixmatt:
I have had issues before with the weather not updating for 'My Location,' for weeks at a time. I tried re-installing Google Maps the other day and it began working again. May be a fluke, but I didn't change any other settings. -Matt
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tufyuma:
I've had it not work for a couple of hours after i flash a new rom, or maybe a day or two, but this has been longer than usual, guess i'll play around with it a bit more and update google maps, i seldom use google maps, i usually use Bing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cajunflavoredbob:
Alternately, you could also try switching to the chef's recommended radio. The rilphone.dll cooked into NRGZ28's Energy ROM is the one that goes with the 4.49.25.95 radio. I use the T-mobile stock 4.49.25.57, though because it works best for me. You need to find one that communicates properly between your phone and the cellular tower. Some towers are just a PITA, so it won't matter anyway. Changing ROM software isn't going to do anything. This is simply a known issue with My Location service and 3G. The simplest solution is to disable 3G, update, then re-enable it.