yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Hm. Didn't see it no one time/no one rom.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Mondilv, are you happy with all these new base ROMs? Where are we now - at zero level :)? Or you are going to give us a surprise soon?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
No far from the end.:p
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Good news. Have you tested something from Topaz Manila (I can't remember the exact number) yet? What is your opinion? I read completely different comments about it in another threads. So we all wonder what information and feedbacks are correct.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Haven't opinion yet. Without footprint it not interesting for me. Of course, possible to add it, but not sure, that is the good way.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Have you seen missing separators in the Setting tab? They are missing since First 3.0 release (not only in Manila 2.5). The first vertical separator in Calendar tab (Month view) is missing, too, but I saw it's Manila problem in all ROMs (it's not so visible with stock background).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Already done, hope.:)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] vikicek:
Background color

Hi, I really like your ROM, but I would like to ask, how can I change the background color? I don´t really like it, it´s not pure black, it´s a bit "messy". Thanks :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Look few pages ago.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] vikicek:
I´ve found this

But I'll show, which files need to edit.

For example, in 2.1:

058acf31_manila

29cff4fe_manila

70083a29_manila

77feee1d_manila

But I don´t know how to change it and also where can I get the original files?

I suppose I have to download your file "kitchen" and then replace it with files from kitchen of original ROM ? Is it right? :confused:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
You need original files if you need original background only.:)

In the kitchen, look to utils/cgc60. It's for edit & compress manila's files.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] pylorus:
Language files

Hi Modilv, could you please post removed language files for the v4 beta? Txh a lot. (Im interested espetially in czech :-)) Regards Pylorus
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
About the V4.0b1

I found a way can solve the problum in "v4.0b1" that the manila`s home tab can`t set the weather ani.

Just set the program tab on home tab back to 3!

mondilv,would you plz post a app. to make it?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Don't do anything with Beta1. Just wait for next release. I hope it will be soon :). If you can't spend a day without flashing, try the new 2.53 stock.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Of course.:D

But not sure, that is right way without new hspl for public rom.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Any news, Mondilv?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Yes, look to the post #1.

:rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] cyron_at:
changelog to 4.0 Beta 2???
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Too many changes, don't remember all of them.

Just try it.::rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] cyron_at:
..okay just a few basics:

Manila 2.1/2.5

Video Telephony?

Rotating Album/Music in Manila?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Manila-2.5.2011.3030 (without footprints)

PhoneCanvas: Video&Conference (Qilin's phone dealer v.4.3)

Rotation - don't know.:) Don't use it. Try to set it.

But not sure, that it is good way for this manila version.

Still can't say about 2.5, that it works, as need.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
2.53

Just try 2.53 base.

First look: hm, very fast.;)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
2.53

Just tried 2.53 base.

First look: hm, very fast.

...and think, possible to make it even faster.;)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] cyron_at:
...which means I should wait for your new rom? ;-)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Need several days for the serious testing, at least.

The first opinion: very good.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
I have tested 2.53 and must say the same - really fast menus and switching between tabs. Waiting for this Beta. Just flashed Beta2. No problems so far. Using with .91 radio.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
New rom!

Great!

Try first!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] lcd4linux:
@Mondilv

is there a chance to get the 2.53 drivers only. I would like to add the drivers in the 3.7.1 kitchen. I've tried the 2.19, but the phone didn't start and in this version is the charginganimation. I don't want to loose Remote Tracker and I've problems with battery drain with 3.7.1, maybe 2.53 is better :rolleyes:

lcd4linux
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
The current state:

http://rapidshare.com/files/348353995/2.53_N.rar

...or you need untouched?

................

Deleted: found mistake.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] lcd4linux:
Oh too late, I've added the drivers, build the ROM and flashed. It seems o.k. for me :o Is there anything that shouldn't do the job?

lcd4linux
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] razlie:
great ROM !! all working so far ... just want to know how to change the explorer shortcut menu to open resco explorer not wm file explorer like in BETA 1...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
HKLM - Software - HTC - Manila - HomeLSKPath - put \Program Files\Resco Explorer\Explorer.exe.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] criszz:
very solid rom till now . added landscape mode for manila . works great.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] criszz:
mondliv can u make a cab for teeter who is missing ?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] andyhung:
Yes, Please !! We need this cab !! Thanks !! :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
mondliv ,Your new rom 4.0b2 is great,all the "bugs" i found in last rom are fixed!

But i have a problem,is that how to make the calendar display the appointment on the sense home tab?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] simo6:
\o/

the rom is great! only thing is that when i open file explorer and then try to close it via task manager the system hangs. Also i've noticed that the battery draining a lil too fast but it's still my fav rom. Thx!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] criszz:
yes seems batery drain exist
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Make the appointment, at first.:)

Didn't see any problems.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Yes, saw it two times. Think, it's eXplorer addon reason.

At 2.53 base didn't see it yet.:)

About battery: usually need few days (if rom/radio changed) for normal check. Also, if say "yes" for every customization questions.

The most critical - pushing.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] criszz:
explorer is closing normaly for me. i recalibrated batt last night and im shure is excesive drain (and i said no to all customization question ) . nothing installed except landscape 4 manila .
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mobilkungen78:
doubble post sorry
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
No footprit tab. Same for me - no problems with closing of the Explorer, but I don't use Explorer after Resco installation at the begining.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
This manila haven't footprint. (& impossible to add it without serious work) Think, in this status of topaz's camera, we can't see normal footprints work. Simple hack, which use widely is not the full solution. The "crutch" only.:)

Will see.

It's veeery rarely. But i saw it too at 2.19.

About 2.19 & battery can say, that it's the most battery-friendly drivers, which i saw.

At least for me, my location, my operator, my weather, my distance to translator ,...., :D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] gangstaunitg:
Thank you Mondilv for your effort. Cant wait till I flash your new test rom (my topaz is charging now).

Edit1: installing from sd card at 25% :)

Edit2: Very happy with this ROM so far, very simple, fast, just great as excpected
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
From SD card - 50% is not necessary.:)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Reason4444:
What's wrong with link ?!?

There's only 3.1 kb .exe file ?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Xinot:
Rapid link? Working ok here.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Steve0007:
Mirror:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2p95e0
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] :
mondilv, great News! Downloading ....

Is it possible to place link to your ROM at 4pda?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] kristofpetho:
Mondilv,

Very good ROM. I just flashed from TESS 2.2.1, and it feels a bit faster.

Speedwise I would not tell it was WM6.5.

At this point, I have no suggestions or bugs to report.

Thanks again!

Confirmation number: 5LH17784F17553218
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Reason4444:
It's ok now.. Opera fault :mad:

Downloading.. :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Xinot:
BubbleBreaker not working..

Actually my phone freezes shortly after i try to launch this game.

I think i have to sell my Topaz again and buy more Nokia. :D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] losdrivare:
Boring game anyway. All depends on color ratio on startup. :p
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] tampiss:
Office

Hello,

ROM is stable as always :-)

I am missing the MS Office, could you please pass the cab file for MS Office from the first testing ROM?

Thank you in advance,

tampiss
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Why not.

But for 4pda need the 0419, as a rule.:)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Possible of course, but not in the "test" rom.

M$ Office mobile is impotent. (it was the most reason for cut it).

Look to alternatives: Documents2Go or TextMaker.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
It's true, thanks. Will check.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] losdrivare:
Trying out Nataly testrom 2 now and it's absolutely amazing! :) Fastest ROM I ever tried, it is incredibly responsive. This is the first 6.5 ROM I actually like! Only thing I'm missing so far is landscape support in manila, but that is just a personal preference.

What pagepool size are you using?

I noticed that tmail.exe rotates to landscape without me installing any rotating app, but I can't find any setting or program to set rotation for more programs. Is there a rotation program included in Nataly or do I need to install G-config?

Apart from the mentioned Bubble Breaker not working I haven't found any bugs so far. I assume that the usual manila 2.1 bugs are there with SMS and so on? Are there any other known bugs yet?

I'm considering this for daily use, any reason not to?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
24M now - need for normal IE work.

About rotation look here:

[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\HTC\HTCSENSOR\GSensor\ModuleName]

Fix for MS Games - see the post #2
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] jeromenism:
waiting for someone to post an alternate link.. cant download from rapidshame :(
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4428092&postcount=86
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Check out BeeGee's Topaz File Mirror
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Media player bugged too.

Wait for fixed rom.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Mondilv, how are the tests of 2.53 going?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
No bad. ;)

Changed few packages. GMM, LongPress, etc. Think, the 3d beta soon.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
I had some problems with Long Press Key menu - when I wanted to terminate data connection, the phone hung and I had to put start menu and home in order to had my phone functioning again.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ME_spb:
Hello Mondilv! will restored annex bluetooth-explorer? if not, then you can lay out this program!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Why not? In Topaz enough space.:)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
New Rhodium rom:

Manila_Core_2_5_20121225_0

Think beta - bit later, then planned.:rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] criszz:
no such problem here , sorry
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] lcd4linux:
In these days are many releases... more then planned :p

Hope you have time for your family ;)

lcd4linux
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] cyron_at:
..what a pitty; I was looking forward to the new beta today ;-)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Do you think it is faster than the Topaz 2.5 one?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ME_spb:
just do not have a working program, here and hope for your help!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] lcd4linux:
Meanwhile you're discuss new builds I will show you what the kitchen have done for me ;) thank you Mondilv

Still excited with 3.7.1 + 2.53 Drivers

Changed ImgfsFromDump to IMGFSFromDump Turbo v2 in the kitchen... realy fast :D

Added:

Dark Ninjas Taskbar

Total Commander

Games

Navigationfolder (rearranged some links)

Navigon

Shake and Save

Lock Device

XDA Shutdown

some other changes for my taste

here are some picures and I think its time to change the sig :o
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Need to try, at first.:D

also, hope it works to landscape better.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
I mean look like this

But i just can see the word "Calendar",No appointment display!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
As Mondilv said, you must have an appointment for today or tomorrow in order to have something displayed in Home tab instead Calendar. So, go to Calendar tab and make a simple appintment for today.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
I have already made!But i still can`t!

Let me try again.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Working properly for me. If you don't have success, just hard reset and try again.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
It's never-ending story...:p

I talk about waiting for new version drivers/packages.

Think, is the reason to publish v.4 (2.53 based) "as is". Or we can wait tooo long time.:)

Also, is idea to make the last "2.1" version at 2.19/last_packages. It's fast, stable, battery friendly thread.

Any opinions?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Just upload it, if you think it is stable and nice.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Nol_:
Go for it - speed, stability and battery life is something that most users would welcome :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
I want to know,if the 4.0b2 can make it bg4alltabs?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
Good!

Is the V4.0 the final rom?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] BumAround:
Any hope for a fast, functional htc messaging? I mean with 700 restored SMSes from PIM Backup.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Mondilv,

Thank you very much for sharing your kitchen. It will be the base for my next private ROM.

I have problems to dump the 2.53 ROM, but with your kitchen, I can use it finally.

Will try to get Manila 2.1 working with it, as I do not like 2.5 at all.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
I'm not sure, that like 2.5/Opera9.7 too.:p

Going to v.3.8 now (2.1), if time will be enough.

Also 4.x thread continue.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mosca:
good!

thank you
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Starwalker:
Hi Mondilv,

maybe I missed somthing, but can you tell me, which Manila version you cooked in?

The new Rhodium Manila 2012.2525 is really fast with full working landscape support. Its nearly a Manila 2.1 feeling with Manila 2.5 look :).

Your very fast rom with Rhodium Manila 2012.2525 would be a rocket :).

Cheers Lars
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
In the next version.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] fazalali110:
Just flashed 4.0 ROM, and it fits all my needs :) Thanks a lot!

Don't think I'll have to play with the kitchen for now :D

Thank you once again mondilv..
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] hrivas:
Tree is bit difrent. I want to know if i remove 2 is enough to remove Manila??? I do not want it. Thanks in advance for the replay.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Think yes.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] themaster33:
damn rapidshare

can any1 upload to megaupload etc. I tried a few times in last week and rapidshare says "premium account bla bla"

please please please
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] fazalali110:
use beegee's mirror:

ftp://ftp.giesecke.tk/XDA/Cooked_ROMs/WM 6.5/Mondilv/

user: xda

pass: xda
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] VistaX:
I've tried to get access to this file but I can't get it. There's no more slots at RapidShare and I've registred at the forum on the link but I'm not allowed to see the forumthread.

Can I get the "how to cook"-file from another place?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
As file here:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] VistaX:
Thank you, mondilv :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] themaster33:
thank you very much for link man, you are awesome

and mondilv thank you too, I used it and this ROM is the fastest and nicest I ever used..

where I can donate
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Thanks for offer.

Don't worry: I do it just for fun, not for money.:p
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] themaster33:
resco

ok. thanks again, can I use resco explorer as the explorer shortcut at home screen
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\Manila]

"HomeLSKText"="Explorer"

"HomeLSKPath"="\\Windows\\fexplore.exe"
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] themaster33:
ok I changed

HomeLSKPath=Storage Card\Program Files\Resco Explorer\Explorer.exe

and it works

"HomeLSKPath"="\\Windows\\fexplore.exe

"[/
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] vikicek:
Calendar

// my mistake :o
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] chibixzero:
I downloaded your kitchen and got this virus alert
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Dropper.Agent & CryptExe?

:D

Change your AGV to normal antivirus.

Or delete pointed files: them not need for kitchen.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
...........................

Repeated post.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] xxdopodxx:
Perfect!

Your 4.0Final works well!!

Maybe you will work for 21892.:D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] losdrivare:
Haven't had any time for flashing and trying new roms for two months now, but today I got off work early so I decided to have a go. And ...wow! There's happened a lot in these two months!

I must say, congrats mondilv for the fastest manila 2.5 ROM that I've ever tried. Nataly 4.0 felt, subjectively, about as fast as the old nataly 3.1 that I've been using all this time. Interface is very nice, with solid nataly feel.

But... The new nataly 3.7.1 is even faster. It responds instantaneously, only music tab takes a while to load for me (~8 gb of music). ROM uses very little memory, even though I increased pagepool to 20 mb.

All in all - very hard to make a decision between the two. I like much of the 2.5 interface, but not sure if I want to sacrifice any speed for it. Aaargh... :D

EDIT: Using 4.0 for the time being, with 24 mb pagepool. Noticed ClearType in landscape is off by default. Enabled by setting HKLM\System\GDI\ClearTypeSettings "OffOnRotation" to 0 instead of 1. Other impressions: Manila messaging is quite slow, but usable.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] hrivas:
Greatest ever !!!

Thes is great os ever, you know. Removed 2 from tree! After flashing345.13 mb storage free and 126.15 mb free program memory. fast, clean, Manila - No thanks! SPB is bether if you want it I have removed Java somethingput old Office from 3.7 and some othr things.Can't remember now but compleat useless. Testing now!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
3.8 prototype is already looks faster.

...and more tolerant to battery.:p
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
Looks like you like 2.1 more than the new 2.5! I flashed new 2.53 stock (?) and Prime I before your 4.0 upload and can say that I had impressed of the speed of menus especially. But I can't feel the same with 4.0. I don't know what makes difference, but it is a fact. Any comments, Mondilv?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
What do you mean - 2.1 with new drivers? What about separator correction in Settings tab in 2.1?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
htcfilter is absent, think the reason.

It's not the fact. Didn't see diff at menu's speed.

But really fact, that htcfilter is slowing down system at all.:)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ayl:
I'm going back to 2.1, too. Just waiting for 3.8. I know that you use Rhodium dialer and this is the reason the curtain is missing in your last releases. Any way to install it using cab, Mondilv? I miss it so much and I have big troubles during the calls offen touching speaker button. I saw also that the new screens from 2.53 are the same - without a curtain.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] losdrivare:
And I tried Prime II before Nataly 4.0 and to me Nataly felt more responsive... :rolleyes: Maybe this all falls into the "subjective" category.

Manila 2.5 interface is actually starting to grow on me. However, HTC messaging in Nataly 4.0 is a royal pain. It does look nice, but typing is quite slow and I see FingerKeyboard is struggling, though input does not lag. Scrolling threaded messages is anything but smooth. I might change to 3.8 once you release it, or wait and hope for updated manila 2.5 Nataly with faster manila build.

I might have found a bug in 4.0: Shuffle in manila music player doesn't seem to work, or work very badly. This bug is probably a HTC bug, but I report it just the same. :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] :
Mondi,

when I'm creating or changing contact at phone, after it new info added to contact (note section):

<HTCData><!-- Please do not modify -->

<Facebook></Facebook>

</HTCData>

What is it?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Rubbish.:D

Just tried at manila 2.1/21892: all OK. Clean "notes" page.

Resume: bad previous build or manila.

Thanks, will see.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] losdrivare:
Another bug in 4.0 - when already in manila messages tab and I recieve an sms, the sms message does not appear in manila view, only as notification and the number appear over the manila icon. If I change to another tab and return to messages tab then the new message is now there.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] fazalali110:
yeah, noticed it too, thought I might be imagining things :D

Really love 4.0 though :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
It's not the rom, it's manila's or messenger bug. Till the last moment didn't see NO ONE version of 2.5 or newone messenger without any problems. So, wait for next release?

In htc's roms also are bugs. If i see it, i fix of course (if know how:)).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] losdrivare:
I know these bugs are not your fault. Manila 2.5 has some problems and especially HTC messaging seems to be a mess. It's not a big issue anyway, I can definitly live with it. Just reporting the bug so you (and anyone considering Nataly 4.0) will know about it. :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] smielek00:
small problems

V4 on att pure:

- sashimi doesn't work, locks up and have to reset

- time zone doesn't adjust to network/location, network time is selected in my settings

Anyone with similar problems?

thanks
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
It's not need now: more powerful customizing system is included.

Do hard reset after the first flash.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] smielek00:
Thanks Mondilv

It's not need now: more powerful customizing system is included

Hm, I didn't noticed one, fact is I didn't look. But I use Sashimi for restoring...

Do hard reset after the first flash

Always do. No luck I guess.

One more - zoombar doesn't work in Opera...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] mondilv:
Do you play at the "clean" system, or already install anything?