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[Hero, G2 Touch General] megaoptimus:
I will admit that I'm quite confused regarding the lag issues. It does not seem to effect everyone and the ones it does effect consider a problem that if it were solved, the phone would be a fantastic upgrade from an iphone 3g or 2g. At times I hear it is just the live widgets, other times I hear it is just the software in general during media playback and browsing. I honestly don't know what to think and would love to have a means to test a hero as it is now. I'm not gonna upgrade to a 3gs...I'm still considering the hero but I'm going to wait for the software update and to see how things process for it on xda. I really see the potential in android and that is where I would like to stay if all works out..but I'm not so clear about the hero. Given my options and my needs, the the lag can be address with code optimization, then I think the hero is the best choice for me at this point. we'll see. if you're interested in selling it, let know price via PM. If you're any where near south central PA, perhaps I could give the thing a test run first if you don't mind.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mwatson:
I had the Hero, I could wait to get it. I was like a five year old waiting for santa! Anyway, bit dissapointed in it so reluctantly took it back and bought a PAYG iphone 3GS from O2.

Installed redSnow to jailbreak, then ultrasn0w to unlock and now i'm using it on Vodafone. Thank god for the iphone dev team.

The iphone just kicks the ass of the Hero all over the place. Music playback, Video Playback.. signal strength... battery....multitasking...everything. And if you think you might miss out on sense UI check this out:

http://justflikwalk.deviantart.com/art/iVillain-Beta-128791945

http://modmyi.com/forums/attachment...1247179088-beta-release-ivillain-img_0053.png

Jailbroken iphone with 3rd party apps is just unbeatable....game over. iphone wins again! Maybe Android next year?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] wouwout:
I agree crappy music playback is terrible. speed is OK, quite laggy compared to an iphone 3G but bearable. Apparantly a rom update will arrive soon.

I'm thinking of returning to an iphone as well. No equalizer is like it's 1999.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] robboy:
Maybe so but its also piracy
[Hero, G2 Touch General] megaoptimus:
....and you have a problem with this?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] megaoptimus:
I'll concede that a JB and unlocked iphone is pretty nice as far as apps and ease of us is concerned but the one thing it needs that it won't ever have is the ability to directly transfer files to the phone and manipulate easily. IE, copy a plain MP3 to the phone and play it in itunes or some 3rd party player without having to sync to itunes. the iphone is meant to appeal to folks that just want it to work and the iphone dev team has designed their stuff to match that philosphy. Unfortunately, the linux on iphone project, which was the great hope of getting android on the device isn't going anywhere fast due to lack of drivers for the hardware and what not. The Hero COULD have been a match but it isn't because it isn't consistently a postitive experience. This is why I'm waiting and am a little disappointed that the hero is in the state it is.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mwatson:
you can transfer all sorts of files uising wifi discover. It turns the iphone into a wireless usb stick. If you transfer an mp3 it'll play it on the phone. Thats what i do. There is al alternative to itunes on Cydia. Even if you couldn't do that, the sacrifice is a small price to pay when you concider the iphone 3GS is just so slick.

Why can't other manufactures achieve what Apple has done here? Did they back engineer the iphone from a UFO wreck in Navada? BTW i'm no iphone fanboy. I've had HTC devices from the first orange SPV in 2003 right up to The Hero. There is no getting away from it, Palm, Samsung, HTC whoever just can't get close to Apple right now.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] rickyb90:
Have you tried using some better quality headphones? The ones supplied are rubbish and the ipod head phones are well......appalling (sound leakage to annoy everyone around:mad:you and poor bass reproduction)!. Get some phones with a high sensitivity and no sound leakage you'll be surprised;) The biggest thing is that you don't need to crank up the volume for them to sound great and your ears will thank you for it

Noise isolation headphones are recommended (Sennheiser, Shure, Ultimate Ears) for the hero and for all mp3 players.

I'm using a pair of Ultimate Ears Metro Fi 220s
[Hero, G2 Touch General] El Droid:
I never even took the stock earbuds out of the box. Been alternating between V-Moda Vibe Duos and Bose Quiet Comforts
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Switchbitch:
Multitasking? Are you kidding? That's the reason I never got an iPhone, it doesn't multitask at all.

Plus, music playback is crap on all handsets. I'll always have a stand-alone media player because I care how my music sounds so yes, music playback is crap on the Hero but it's crap on the iPod (and iPhone) too.

And sense UI on the iPhone? Not quite. A few icons copied from the Hero but they aint no widgets.

Each to their own I guess though. I used an iPhone and it just wasn't good enough, too simplified for me. I'm quite techy tho so I like the open source of Android and the customisation etc.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Ovek:
If you don't count playing music whilst browsing the web or any other task, and background checking your email / calendar sync... but it sure sounds like multitasking to me ;)

And all because you can't choose other apps to have open in the background dosn't mean it can't multitask 'at all'. And lord just look at the Hero (slowwww/laggggg) as a case point why multitasking might not always be the best way to go about a mobile phone operating system.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Switchbitch:
I don't know if talking about lag is a valid point as I, and many others have experienced no lag at all, even during intense useage.

Personally, I understand that many people are experiencing lag issues but I'm keen to see what happens with this update coming out soon.

And background processing/multitasking is absoultely vital for a smartphone OS.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mwatson:
Goto Cydia > download "Backgrounder" and multitask as much as you want!

I'm a techy too, but the Hero just doesn't impress. Jailbreak an iphone and become a geeky as you want. Widgets on lock screen and the springboard.

The iphone apps are like a 100 years ahead of android! one day android will be great. Just not today.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mwatson:
Good point. I've had WM devices and they can run apps in the background. You sure pay for it though when you go to answer a call and the whole OS just grinds to a halt. 5 minutes later after a reboot its " Hi, sorry i missed your call, my f*ckin phone crashed!" And the battery drains because there are so many processes running. Sure you can control it manually, but a phone shouldn't take that much attention. A baby yes, not a phone.

I can see why Apple have not included OS wide multitasking. The technology just doesn't exist and an affordable price in 2009. Maybe in 2012 or so things'll change. In the meantime, if you really must multitask the iphone just download Backgrounder from Cydia.

The thing that made me send the hero back was the awful camera and camcorder. My GFs SE K800 takes better pics and vids?! I loaded a video on the phone and it looked like an old 1920s film where it would miss frames and then run too fast to catch up, admittedly is was in colour so i'll give it that. Good attempt though by HTC, they have some good ideas (teflon!). Sense UI is just great... the harware sux though. Isn't it the same processer as the Touch Diamond?:rolleyes: not sure.... Anyway, i bet the next couple of generations of Andriod will be superb.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
We seems to be having lots of conflicting reports here on lag.

Some people are experiencing what they perceive to be an extreme issue, yet to others it is minor or even nonexistent.

The thing is, it doesn't take much of a Google search to show that the iPhone has the exact same issues for some users.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2047080&start=30&tstart=0

The iPhone is a great device, but it has precisely the same sort of issues as the Hero.

Some may argue that these issues are not present on the iPhone 3GS (they are!), but if you look at the iPhone 3GS, you can buy an unlocked one from Expansys for a mere £919 compared to £380 for a Hero. It isn't exactly comparing apples to apples!

Personally, I've really not experienced any significant lag whatsoever with my Hero thus far. That doesn't mean that it isn't there from time to time, just that it doesn't really interfere with the operation of the device from my perspective.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] locutus-of-borg:
Get a grip

come on people lets be far to the hero only been out a few weeks and as with any new tech it take time for bugs to be worked out, and let all be honest at least it no where as near as bad as that bloody nokia n97.

Also i agree device is not amazing sound on mp3 with standard head phone but helps if you us bet enclosed on for god sake its not a bloody pc or cd play it a moble device that give you the ability to lister to music on the move, if you was amazing sound for mps then get one that is made for that and that alone. As for the apps apple users need to get of there high horse and rember when there iphone was ne the apps were well let just say ****ty. Also another thing to take on board the Hero and othe phone like it dont cost a bloody fortune if it needs new batt.

And rember we are all diffrent and like diffrent thing so whats good for you may not be for me but I LOVE MY HERO yes it can lagg but only if you have loads of apps left open there are some nice apps to close them.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] ghoonk:
I own an iPhone and several Android devices, and am very clear about why I prefer Android over the iPhone:

1. Music isn't a big thing for me. I have a set of Sony Ericssion HS-970 wireless BT stereo earphones that just work fine with the Hero, no complaints. I listen to music ever so seldom anyway

2. Video isn't a big thing for me, though I do keep a season of House or Family Guy for trips. If I need any video entertainment, there's always Youtube

3. GoogleTalk is key for me. I keep in touch with friends and family that way, and provide tech support for friends who have Android devices

4. Threaded conversations in Google Mail (Gmail) that's searchable - I'm big on that.

5. Notification bar -- simple, elegant and it just works. I can be in the middle of composing an email when an SMS comes, in and I'd just switch over, reply, and get back to my mail, or switch to Google Talk to chat with a friend and then get back to the email. No fuss at all

6. Ringtones -- No need to convert to some Apple format. Just grab any MP3 on the SD card, trim if desired, and voila

7. USB mass storage device support -- the simplicity just works. No need for special drivers, etc, just plug and play. Drag and drop my music, videos, docs, etc from any computer (PC/Mac) and it's there.

8. Not being tied down to iTunes -- If my hard drive crashes and I lose my music library, it's just a simple drag and drop of the files I need back from my Android phone to the PC

9. Not being tied down to a notebook -- If I lose my iPhone on the go, I need to fire up the notebook, and restore everything. If I lose my Android phone on the go, I can just buy one off the street, enter my Google credentials, and my data is back. Android Market means I can download the apps I purchased and be back up and running in no more than 5 minutes from the moment I unbox a new Android phone.

10. I like the idea of an informational desktop, not a multi-page app tray. I get my Twitter notifications, my Gmail notifications, SMS notifications, Exchange, POP3, IMAP4 mail notifications, the Twitter widget, the weather widget.

11. On Android, I'm part of an extended community on Google Talk, Google Maps, etc. On the iPhone, I'm just one person.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] drsmisk:
Word. This is as close to a deal breaker for me as possible. Sound experience is horrible. It needs an equalizer, and HTC need to fix some volume issues like the sound being distorted when it´s too high, or in my case the lowest volume level is too high for it to be comfortable in a quiet place. Oh and also, the need to fix so that the phone remembers the notification and ringtone levels you set while using a headset. Getting a email while having the headset in scares the crap of out me sometimes :)

I like everything else about the phone, and i hope the HTC will fix this, otherwise i´ll have to revert back to a phone with some decent sound like the 5800.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kiz:
Yes! :(

Also it would be nice if the song would just smoothly "dim" for a moment whilst the alert is played, instead of just cutting out. It's transitions like that which make an interface (or audio out, in this case) seem really ragged.

I guess Android is still new, can't be asking the world of it yet.

Edit: And regarding the EQ, google says it's on the roadmap! Yay.

I think it's safe to assume that in a year or two down the line, Android will begin to really shine.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] kevinof:
I don't agree. My previous phone was the Nokia E71 and it could go all day (well two days) with 7 or 8 apps all running in the background and never a hint of lag. The technology does exist and has been in OS's for years - Its just that neither Apple or Google have invested enough to make it work in a mobile handset.

It works for the E71 because Symbian has been around for ever (some people say too long) and has been refined and tweaked to work really well in a limited hardware/power environment.

Having said that my E71 is gathering dust on the desk and my hero is what I use.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nicelad_uk:
How much you want for the E71? Need a second phone for business :(
[Hero, G2 Touch General] foxmeister:
I have a great fondness for Symbian coming as I do from a Psion series 3 and 5 background when it was still called EPOC.

Unfortunately, the worst thing that ever happened to Symbian (IMHO) is Nokia taking control of Symbian - I hated all of the Nokia UIs (S60 etc) and far preferred UIQ (it was great on the SE P800s and P900s).

However, there is hope in sight with the open-sourcing of Symbian via the Symbian Foundation.

Regards,

Dave
[Hero, G2 Touch General] _KaP_:
Lack of a true notification system (this kills iPhone), shorter battery life (and no possibility to change the battery to a better one), not being an open source OS, and no true multitasking out of the box (i don't have to void guarantee to multitask in my Hero or in other Android smartphone), not to mention the frustrating policy of Apple with the app store. These things are what makes iPhone a poor device for what you are paying.

I think the lag issue could be fixed with an upgrade, my phone works fine the first day, so i suppose it's a software problem, plus you can desactivate TouchFLO and go on with the (pretty as well) Android home, which is not laggy at all.

By the way, you can't compare the lag between iPhone and Hero. Hero syncs your contacts with Facebook (updates -> lag), has widgets (widgets on iPhone? lol), it has network depending widgets indeed (more lag).

Sorry, but if you have a device with a poor software (in functionality) is going to be faster, that's obvious, it's like if you compare a smartphone running Windows Vista with one running a Linux distro for embedded systems... Android is way more powerful than iPhone OS.

I hope HTC fix some problems to let it be not that slow at least.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] El Droid:
It seems the upcoming update does address the speed issue. Hmmm...
[Hero, G2 Touch General] El Droid:
I've just boxed/RMAd my Hero for return. I thoroughly enjoyed the time i spent with it but as it is now, its just not practical for me. Plus i dunno how HTC do their updates and if they truly fix anything useful or just random fixes no one cares about, which is why i wasn't willing to gamble my return window

If the update does improve things significantly then i'll come back or simply wait for the next iteration but in the meantime i'm returning to my trusty iPhone. Yes its UI is dated, yes it sucks at multitasking, yes the app store policy is draconian, yes battery life sucks. However the little things the iPhone does, it does well without questions and is dependable for me.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] mttcee:
Hero is the best phone ive ever had.

Phones before: doamonds, blackberries and iPhone
[General Questions and Answers] Phen0m:
Is there a similar way to unlock samsung devices for loading custom roms, as there is for the HTC's(hardspl etc.)
[General Questions and Answers] Rudegar:
I can't help you apart from making sure you are not under the impression that

doing hardspl on a samsung will make it able to use htc roms htc devices can't even use roms from other htc devices
[General Questions and Answers] eMpTy3000:
I've got a Samsung i760 and was wondering if there is anyone working on getting Windows Mobile 6.5 on the device....

Thanks!
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Have a look in off topic, there is a thread regarding samsung or try winmodevs

As here is an HTC devices only forum.

Good luck,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] mail_e36:
Hello,

Has anyone tried the Body Glove case?

http://www.bodyglove.com/store/products_detail.php?product_id=30716&zip=19116&Go.x=15&Go.y=13&Go=Go

It's $30, but do you guys think it's worth it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] sooperxtool:
this case can be found easily on ebay for 17.99 with free shipping

ill let everyone know what its like when i get it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] bimori:
Wouldnt that case cover the proximity sensor???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] DeDBlanK:
I have been using it for about 1.5 weeks with my Tmob TP2. The bottom cover is a little tricky, but it works pretty good. I took the back clip off and put the plug in. I mainly keep it in my shirt or my pants pocket.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] 1buprofen:
Got one today

I got one today and is does seem pretty sturdy. It has the feeling of soft leather or neoprene over hard plastic covering most of the edges and then a mesh on the sides for griping. as one person mentioned you have have the clip on or off which is nice. It does seem really bulky when I have it clipped in the inside of my front jeans pocket. I'm still trying to decide if I want to keep it or get something else but I do think it is pretty nice.

1buprofen
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dougstoner:
It looks like it will, so a little drilling might be required. I have one coming in the mail, so I'll let you know if it does.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dasher:
I saw this case at my local T-Mobile store. It was too bulky and interfered too much with the number keys when the screen was flipped up. T-Mobile sales a really nice soft gel like shell with all the right holes cut out for the T-Mobile version of the TP2 (including one for the proximity sensor). It costs about $12 +/-.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] someeh:
Best part it's in NJ, very close to me :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] hake101:
When you say "It was too bulky and interfered too much with the number keys when the screen was flipped up" do you mean its got a cover that protects the screen too?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dasher:
Yes. It's the same type as the BodyGlove, but without the clip, feels more rubbery, and isn't quite as thick. It still gets in the way of the number keys when tilting the screen, but not as much since it's a little thinner. I can actually still use the number keys with this case, where as with the bodyglove I couldn't.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dougstoner:
You will def have to drill a little for the proximity sensor, but other than that, it fits really well, and gives a little better grip. It does make the phone a little thicker, but it protects it well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] TheMach:
Is this the soft gel case that the T-Mobile store sells?

http://cgi.ebay.com/for-HTC-TOUCH-PRO2-GSM-T-MOBILE-OEM-GEL-SKIN-CASE_W0QQitemZ350242545193QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPDA_Accessories?hash=item518c151e29&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

If not, have you seen it sold anywhere online?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dasher:
Yes, that's the one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] Panzer Schreck:
I just bought the t-mobile soft gel case for my touch pro 2 and it fits pretty well, Doesn't block the proximity sensor. So for the price , 12.99 + tax, I recomend it.:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] dasher:
Glad it worked out for you. I've had the case for over a week now and love it!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] jetjockgordo:
Updated BodyGlove Case Coming Soon!

I have been working with BodyGlove on a redesign of the TP2 case and I will be getting a factory prototype in the next week to ten days. From what I am told the main difference is it will have the cutout for the proximity sensor.

Make sure you keep your receipt. I would guess that T-Mobile will replace it with the updated version since the original was technically defective. If you have trouble with T-Mo then contact BodyGlove directly since they know about the problem and are coming out with a fix.

As for the thinner GEL type case, I tried it today and didn't like it as much as the BG version since it seemed to be easy to dislodge the the lower shell middle clips. Within a few minutes I noticed that I had to bump the center clips back in place more than once. It also seemed to interfere with the slide a little, something the BG does not do.

I would have to vote for the BG (updated one) as the better case since the rigid shell fits and stays on better. Yes, the BG is a little bulkier but I would have to guess that it would provide pretty good protection in the event of gravity assisted boo-boo.

Regards,

Gordo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] cutejules:
Body Glove in a cradle.

I love my BG case. I got it a couple of days ago. All I had to do was drill a small hole for the proximity sensor, which btw is an easy fix. I wonder if there is a cradle that will fit it now that it's a lot thicker.

I think I'd have a better luck making my own. I think a triangular wedge with a lip/edge on one the sides would work best since I'm planning to have the keyboard open while it's charging. I'll post pics (probably on a different thread). What do you guys think?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] what150:
็็ำัHey there! :D

Don't forget to put the new one on eBay with WORLDWIDE SHIPPING !!! :D

(or at least Australia)

Cheers!:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] etropic:
I emailed BG about this the other day and they couldn't tell if this was a mistake, a bad batch, or what... so they said they would send me a new one to see if it was better (this was before i saw your thread).

Also, there is a hole on the BACK cover that the BG case blocks, but the gel of same type don't. Someone said it was a noise mic. (I don't know).

For those of you that drilled... was it hard to keep the material from wanting to tear or fray? How did you go about it?

etro
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] cutejules:
It wasn't hard at all. I just got a small drillbit and I used a dremel tool. You can't even tell that I "modified" it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] cur8or:
FYI, I emailed BG support today, it looks like we'll need to wait a bit for that updated case version: "it is looking like at least 6-10 weeks till actual product is in hand".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Accessories] :
I found one similar, and it's cost less.

http://www.wirelessground.com/htctp2bgsnap.html