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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cotc2001:
I phoned them about that and I can confirm it is compatible with the touch pro 2.

The reason they put that up is that if your device came pre-installed with co-pilot 7 trial then it's a pig to get it upgraded.

If your device didn't come pre-installed at all with co-pilot 7 trial then there are no problems at all.

Got it on mine and it's great but it's lacking a bit on address accuracy as it says no house numbers for my home address but with Igo 8 no problems at all.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Colonel_Mullet:
Did anyone ever get a response from ALK on this issue?

The failure to recover from GPS loss seems random for me - cool or hot, makes no difference. Some days it will happen 2-3 times an hour, other days not at all. Soft-reset makes no difference to whether it will happen - it's done it straight after a reset. The only thing that works is restarting CoPilot after it's happened.

I never saw this issue on my TYTNII running CPL7 - that used to lose the GPS as well, but it always got it back automatically.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
FWIW - I did see this same behavior with CPL7 on my TP2. I only used CPL7 once on the TP2, though, then upgraded to CPL8 the next day!

Last time this happened to me, what was interesting was that stopping and restarting co-pilot immediately fixed the position. By immediate, I mean that

- I hit the problem at position X, with CPL8 reporting "GPS signal back, determining position"

- CPL8 continued to say this, displaying my position as X, for about 15 minutes

- after 15 minutes, when I was at position Y, I exited and restarted CPL8

- as soon as CPL8 came up, the position displayed behind the "what do you want to do" box was Y.

This makes me think that the GPS really did have a fix all the time, but there was just a software bug either with CPL or with the TP2 firmware meaning that it wasn't being reported correctly to CPL.

Just my 2p worth...

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dswartze:
I purchased the US Premium Live Services ($19.99) a couple days ago. This includes: Live Search, Live Fuel & Live Traffic. They work ... but I am not impressed.

Live Search: this is no better/worse that using the FREE Windows Live Search app.

Live Fuel: I am finding that the pricing info is 1 - 2 days old.

Live Traffic: This is Internet-based and I am finding I have to go into setup to enable it each time I use CoPilot. I was hoping it would give me traffic stats on the main screen as I am driving. Not the case. You have to go to the Live Traffic menu and select "Nearby", "Route" or "Destination". I am getting traffic updates in the Greenville, SC area.

I have a call into ALK about Live Connect and Live Weather, which according to their website, are NOT premium services.

BTW, I am using the new Verizon Wireless Touch Pro2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solipsist_social_club:
Hi Guys,

I'm new here - so apologies if I'm posting out of turn.

I had the same issue - GPS disappearing and it took a power cycle to fix it. I was on holiday at the time and it was a real pain! Touch Pro2 and CP8.

I stopped windows from managing the GPS, and set it to COM4 in the control panel. Then, since setting CP8 to com4 for the GPS, the problem hasn't recurrred once. That's in about three weeks of driving. Definitely fixed it for me.

Good luck!

Cheers,

Mark.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Maverick777:
Try upgrading your radio. I've been using Copilot 8 since day 1. After upgrading my radio I can now get a GPS lock as fast as 1-2 seconds. Much better than the stock radio.

I have not encountered GPS loss on the road since I upgraded my radio, but then I again I have not tried traveling more than 50 miles with it. The only time I lost my GPS signal was running through a trail with lots of trees using Sportypal.

Also, the live search feature is FREE. It is not a premium service. I confirmed with ALK support that it should be available as a free update.

I've had access to the live weather from day 1 and did not pay extra for it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] levman:
Do you mind if I ask what country you live in? I live in the US and Live Services on my device is grayed out ... ALK told me a few weeks ago that Weather and other Live Services are not yet available in the US market (though the for-fee Premium Live Services - traffic, fuel prices and live search - did come available on CoPilot Central this week).

P.S. ALK may have told you that live search is free, but on CoPilot Central it only shows up as part of the $19.95 premium live services bundle and there does not seem to be another way to get it ... but I sure do hope that you are right!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Maverick777:
I live in the US and I've had access to the weather feature from day one.

This is the email response I got when I asked about Live Search and TTS:

"Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support.

The Live Search will be available in the next coming weeks for free; while Text to Speech will be a Premium Service and it will be soon released.

If you have any further questions, or feel that this incident has not been resolved to your satisfaction, please do not hesitate to bring this to our attention. "
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Colonel_Mullet:
Thanks for this tip. However, I cannot get CoPilot (or Google Maps) to pick up the GPS device at all when I untick the box for Windows managing GPS, even when setting the software manually to COM4.

I have put the tick back for Windows managing GPS, and have manually set CoPilot to COM4 and 4800baud, whereas before I used its automatic setting. I will see if that makes any difference this week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solipsist_social_club:
My Apologies - I'm set the same. Here are my GPS settings in full (external GPS in control panel / system)

Programs / GPS Program port : COM4

Hardware / GPS Hardware port : (None)

Hardware / Baud rate: 4800

Access / Manage GPS automatically : On

These may be the defaults, and it may have been setting CP8 to COM4 that was the fix.

I've driven a good few hundred miles (at least 500) on about 5 trips, and the problem hasn't reared up since. I've had rock solid GPS.

I haven't installed any radio fixes yet. To be honest, I'm laying off the tweaking since we'll probably get a shiny new WM6.5 ROM on or soon after Oct 7th!

Good luck!

Mark.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 1062:
CoPilot is the worst

Think carefully before you spend money and frustrating hours of your time trying to get it work properly; I've wasted a few hundreds $ on this in the past years, the features are attractive but software is not stable.

I've given up on ALK software, they are incapable of making quality software.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jesrazo:
I disagree

I installed on my T Mobile US stock rom and it worked flawlessly, i have now upgraded to Energy's newest rom and it was a flawless install again and it works flawlessly again. Maybe im just lucky:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 1062:
Clock some miles on it then come back tell me your experience; maybe it has gotten much better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Colonel_Mullet:
Thanks - I was wondering how you'd got it to work without that tick! :)Hopefully it will work for me as well - I'll report back this week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] asunners:
Funny, I had this problem with my old TomTom on my old phone and it usually happended at the worst possible time - right before a turn! :D

I just bought the US version last night have only used it once around town this morning. So far no problem, but I wonder if this is a MS problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Colonel_Mullet:
After two days of flawless performance following the change to manual setting in CoPilot as mentioned previously, the problem came back again yesterday. GPS lost 3 times in an hour, requiring a CoPilot restart each time.

Then, this morning, the damn thing wouldn't get a lock at all - I drove for an hour and it couldn't find more than 3 satellites at any time. No amount of soft-resetting and military language could persuade it to get a lock.

I installed the HTC GPS utility and that indicated that the device itself was having some kind of problem seeing the satellites as that couldn't get a lock either. So I installed the HTC GPS radio update, which fixed this problem and meant I could get a lock again. However, it remains to be seen whether the new radio will have any impact on the CoPilot problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Colonel_Mullet:
For reference, the HTC GPS update radio has no effect. Carrying out the tweaks on the 'GPS Tweaking' thread has made no difference either. The signal still drops with tiresome regularity and CoPilot fails to recover until it's restarted.

I am going to log a call with ALK, but their support is so useless I don't expect much joy. I may have a crack at getting TomTom up and running and see if that has the same problem.

Still no UK Traffic service either...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kings121:
6.5 stock ROM

is there anyway i can get a untouch 6.5 stock ROM for my TD2? the 1 that is here http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=702&news_id=285 is for touch pro 2.........but still needs a serial number to download it
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rony05:
can someone confirm that canadian POI works? im in ontario and it shows me only US points of interests.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] moegdaog:
IGO8

sry to say..but i dontt think theirs any gps software on the market for pda's thats better then the new release of igo8..3d maps and terrain...live buildings on your route that show up...and the speed cam notifications are amazing...you dont have to subscribe to it like tomtom. and no lag like the new version of tt7 either..check it out, look at igo8 videos on youtube
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] matteovinci:
got it installed now on touch pro2

had to download uk version as it is still not available directly on an australian site

however i now either need to get my old v7 australia maps working or download new maps from copilot central

oceania/australia is not available via central

oceania/australia is available via the device menu on my phone, but when i try to download it says i am not currently licensed

daya region is unable to be changed also

any ideas?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Rumball:
I have Canadian POIs in mine...but this was when I downloaded the NorthAmerica maps using a URL ALK provided me after purchasing Copilot Live 8 online. If I download the NorthAmerica maps from CoPilot Central the Canadian POIs don't come with it. Strange.

You should have a CoPilot_InfoUsa_Premium_Canada and CoPilotInfoUsa_Standard_Canada folder in your places directory.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] plfinch:
Bought Today - On Sale $19.99US

I bought Copilot Live v8 for my Tilt 2 and played with it all day as I ran around. I am quite impressed given the price. Checked their web site tonight and it is now even $5 cheaper than when I bought it. I did experience one problem today where the position stopped updating on the display. Oddly, the spoken updates continued. I touched the lttle symbols on the screen that expand and contract the information at the bottom of the display and it started updating again so I did not need to stop and restart Copilot. I suspect this may be the GPS hang issue being reported by others and, if so, it is definitely a software defect in Copilot.

I travel to unfamilar places often for work and carry a Garmin Nuvi 680 with me. Not anymore! I bought a windshield suction cup mount for the Tilt 2 last week and the whole setup worked great.

Peter
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] radiowc:
Bought Co-pilot Live 8 for my TMO-TP2... love it. Get less then 5s gps lock most of the time and cheap too (19.99US). Well, Tried Garmin XT, (gps lag), tried Tomtom (Not bad..but expensive), Tried igo8 (memory error).

Compare to all i have tried, Co-pilot draw back is not as user friendly as TomTom, and still missing some feature like cant demo your route, no voice guidance, no 3D buildling (not avai yet) just to name a few :>

But at least good value for price. :>
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Photosgraphein:
I also have CPL 8 installed on my TP2. But I think it's much slower than CPL 7. For instance, when I'm passing a road in real life I would also pass it in CPL 7. In CPL 8 I'll pass the road 1-3 seconds after I passed it in real life depending on the zoom level.

In CPL 7 I could zoom all the way in and I would still pass the road in CPL 7 as I passed it in real life. Otherwise CPL 8 works perfect.

Does anyone know how I correct the GPS lag ? As of now, my GPS settings in CPL 8 are set to Automatic ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thaddyusmaximus:
Text to Speech pronounce street names.

The features list and says it will be available Q4 2009. Check CoPilot Live central today Q1 2010 and feature still not there. What's the deal?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdbe:
I bought copilot 8 a couple of weeks ago and have been using it with my HTC Tilt 2. Overall I am pleased, I have been using Tomtom 6 for some time and it compares well.

I don't get any lag. It seems to work as well as my Tomtom and definitely better than google or bing.

I do have one issue however. When I go into an area that is not on the copilot map the program tries too hard to keep me on a road.

Tomtom will just show the vehicle in an area with no roads. You can see the roads around and tell which direction you are going.

Copilot always keeps the car on a road it has mapped so you don't really know if you are off the map or on a road that you don't want to be on.

But for $20 it was worth it. I haven't decided if I will trust copilot or continue to use tomtom next time I travel though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Paul30661:
Copilt 7 v's 8

Can users who have experienced v. 7 in the UK confirm whether v.8 has better navigation?

I got v. 7 trial with my phone and the navigation is just diabolical. Posted a support query on their website to ask the Qu. about v.8 and 2 weeks on, not even an acknowledgement.

I know that v.8 for uk is only £ 27 but it's £ 27 I could put towards TomTom if CPL has not improved the satnav basics of getting you somewhere.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RobTsintas:
I think v.8 is great. Routing has never been a problem (although it's sometimes a bit optimistic about how long it takes to get through London!). It has helped me find good diversions around traffic on a few occasions. I also find the current-speed-limit display quite useful.

Having said that, I personally didn't have any problems with v.7 either.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Colonel_Mullet:
I actually found v7 navigation to be reasonably OK, but v8 is noticeably worse for me and regularly suggests some seriously stupid routes. Customising the routing profile tends to fix some aspects of this stupidity but then introduces others. Bizarrely, I tend to get 'better' routes when choosing 'RV' as a vehicle type. Winnebago Warrior FTW!

I guess it all depends on where you live and where you're going - I've only used it in the UK around East Anglia really - but I can say with confidence that TomTom 7 gives me far more efficient directions in this region. If only TomTom would bring HD Traffic to their WM version!

Still, at least the issues regarding GPS loss I posted about earlier in this thread disappeared when I updated to WM6.5
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sblevine:
Good for the price....but

I bought Co-pilot 8 because of the price and have used it mostly in places where I know my way already and wanted to see how it would navigate: New York, Philadelphia, Washington DC.

For the price it was ok. It got me where I needed to get to.

But there were several problems I detected which made me wish I had spent more money and got a better program.

1. CP8's choice of fastest or shortest route were not the fastest or the shortest, taking me on surface streets when it should have stuck to the expressways.

2. It often got confused when there were 2 parallel roads - an elevated road alongside a surface street, or a road with a center fast lane and side access lanes.

3. It often was not aware of turn restrictions.

4. I almost chucked it when I missed a turn off and it rerouted me back over a bridge for a u-turn which cost me an additional $11.00 toll.

5. It often used the instruction "keep right" (or left) when it should have said turn right or left. This was confusing at expressway entrances where the turn is not 90 degrees.

I could go on, but you get the idea. Worth $20 but if you don't know your way around be ready for some (unpleasant) surprises.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] johnny.howard:
hd2 copilot live 8 help with download

My name is johnny i am having a hard time getting copilot live 8 to download all i have is the email with order number and key but i don't know an easy way to get it to download on my hd2 or my desktop i payed for the web download for the site please help any one can e-mail if they know how i can download it for WM 6.5 for my HTC hd2 at johnnylevarhoward@gmail.com thanks please help me............... Johnny in WA

I payed for the app but don't know how to download it i have the e-mail they sent me but it only has my product key and my order number how to i put it on my hd2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mmeyer4663:
You should have received an e-mail with your order number, your key and a link.

Here is the link I received:

http://www.alk.com/store/download.asp

Once you go to this link, you will need to provide your order number, surname and your Billing postal code.

Once you enter the information, you should be redirected to a site which includes a link for the download and instructions on how to install.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drum4ever:
I installed copilot live 8 on my cdma touch pro2. I now have no sound output from media player. after a week alk has declined to respond to my help request. Not impressed so far.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Paul30661:
I emailed them some months ago with a customer service enquiry - never got a response.

Regardless I went ahead and bought the software - because it was cheap. Unfortunately the directions in the UK are so hopeless that the extra I've spent on fuel, where it has taken me on indirect routes (despite checking all the settings) would have paid for a legit copy of TomTom which is miles better - literally, when compared to Co-pilot.

My advice to anyone reading this thread is - DON'T buy Co-pilot because it's the cheapest. The cost of ownership taking into account the fuel costs will not make it the cheapest.

This seems the most non-libellous way of saying it's sh*te :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RobTsintas:
I've got to disagree with you Paul.

I've been using Co-Pilot since v6, and it's improved with every update. I find the directions to be pretty good, and the mapping clear with plenty of display options.

The only exception is in towns where it might guide you to main roads when I know that it's better to take the backstreets. But I wouldn't expect that sort of local knowledge.

The diversion option has saved me from a jam on several occasions.

I would recommend it to anyone.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Da_G:
Hey everyone :)

I've been working on learning C++, so I can refresh some of the existing tools, add some nice features, make them adhere more to the standards, etc.

This is the first fruits of my labor, this program analyzes an .dio, .fat, .nbh, .nb, .nb0, or .payload, reads out partition info to the screen, and dumps the uldr.bin, xip.bin, and imgfs.bin partitions. It should be compatible with any HTC ROM, and any other ROM that does not need to be run through nbsplit.

It does so without generating an intermediate .extra or .payload like the mamaich/tadzio toolset, and i've tried to keep an eye on speed, so it should be pretty fast.

Usage is "nbimagetool.exe -c filename.nb" - alternatively you can run the program with no parameters for some help output.

-c switch is optional, it strips the leading free space from imgfs.bin, so that it is compatible with imgfstodump (most IMGFS partitions have free space at the beginning, and the imgfsfromnb tool strips this automatically)

The idea for this tool is mostly to be used in a Kitchen, during the dumping process, for a nice fast dump :) Please let me know any errors you might run into!

UPDATED! Added .dio and .fat support

.5pre3 here, new support for asus roms

DONE:

* Added .nbh support

* Added .dio support

TODO:

* Add support for .bin

* Fix whatever bugs you might find

CHANGELOG:

.1 Initial Release - supports .nb .payload .nb0

.2 Added .nbh support

.3 Added output of .nbh info when dumping

.4 Added support for .dio and .fat, fixed a bug that might trigger in rare circumstances

Please no feature requests at this time, thanks :)

Visual example of program usage:

Sample .nbh output:
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ther-amm:
Thanks Da_G for this new thread :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] CRACING:
Thanks for the tool da_g.

Does it works for our old is gold wizard too? :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] d_train:
Thanks Da_G
[Windows Mobile Software Development] adwinp:
Very nice, except, that we DO need nbsplit in most cases (nbsplit -kaiser) -> kaiser, diamond, topaz, blackstone, raphael etc...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] poggiami:
Thanks for the tool da_g.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Da_G:
@CRACING:

You tell me! :)

@adwinp:

I think you misunderstand, when I say it doesn't need nbsplit I mean as a seperate program, it has algorithms to handle the 'nbsplit' process internally, without generating intermediate files :) and, it automatically detects the 'extra' data so you don't need to feed it parameters like -kaiser, -hermes, etc. :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] muttim86:
Thanks Da_G... good you are ...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Da_G:
Posted a screenshot that should give a clearer explanation :)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] tom_codon:
Congratulations bro :)

Nice works as always !

Tom
[Windows Mobile Software Development] udK:
Thanks my friend, nice tool, everything works fine ;)