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[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Shambolicuk:
Silly question from someone new to the world of smartphones/gps etc...but if i buy this does it require a network connection through my phone operater or does it just locate your phone from a signal? If it requires a data connection does it use much data as i believe the O2 "unlimited" bolt on has a pathetic 200mb monthly allowance.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] M@rtyn04:
You don't need an internet connection to use the navigation software (it's all on-board). However, you will need a data connection in order to call up some of the extra functions like weather and traffic (when it's finally available). But for pure navigation there is no data connection made, so no need to worry about that :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Shambolicuk:
Thanks for that :)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] derkie:
re: zoom bar

Zoom bar is not working on Copilot 8. It was on Copilot 7. anyone having same issues?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] popkid:
I bought v7 literally 3 days before they released 8 doh.. (especially since 8 is half the price!)

I thought about getting 8 anyway since it is relatively cheap but ALK told me it wouldn't work on a TD2 despite it being listed as a compatible device.

See tech support query and response below

Hi,

I recently purchased and am currently running Co-Pilot Live 7 (HD version for TD2 downloaded from your support site) having received the release e-mail for 8 and seeing the upgrade is so reasonable , I was going to move to that but can you clarify for me the situation with CoPilot 8 on the HTC Touch Diamond 2

It is listed as a compatible device on the device compatibility page, but there is a note on the upgrade page saying specifically that it is not compatible... Does this mean that the full release is compatible but not the upgrade?

Response 14/08/2009 11.41 AM

Dear Sir,

Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support.

That is correct. The HTC Diamond 2 is currently not compatible with CoPilot.

If you have any further questions, or feel that this incident has not been resolved to your satisfaction, please do not hesitate to bring this to our attention.

Regards,

CoPilot Technical Support

http://support.alk.com

So I didn't buy it... wouldn't have a leg to stand on if it didn't work...

Is the version 8 you have working an HD version like the special TD2 v7?

My V7 HD does not have weather or anything like that (the free trial of 7 does, but not the full version downloaded from ALK)

Might just download it and see what happens, I have a licence/key for v6 as well as v7 so can get the upgrade price.

pK;)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] sb09:
pK,

I hesitated to upgrade to CPL8 for my TD2 because of the confusion on the CoPilot website saying that though there's a TD2 version, another page said CPL8 wasn't compatible if you were installing it on a TD2 with the CPL7 trial software.

Anyway, long story short, because I'd planned around that time to flash a custom ROM at this time (which would of course get rid of the CPL7 trial software), I decided afterwards to pay for and download the CPL8 software. Downloaded, installed, activated, and all working properly with no problems at all!

My suggestion to you therefore, is to go for it especially if you no longer have a stock ROM with the original trial software!

Hope this helps!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] mrjetking:
CP 7 Trial not a problem for installing CP 8

Hi all

found this thread via google... my natural habitat is the Rhodium forums.

However, I've just flashed the official WM6.5 update ROM from HTC, which includes the Copilot 7 trial. Since I already have version 8 I wasn't sure whether it would install correctly with the trial there, but when I ran the cab file for CP8 it said it had to remove the previous version before it could install the new one.

After a very long wait it installed perfectly with no issue whatsoever, so it CAN be used on a stock ROM (on Rhodium at least, but presumably Topaz too).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] popkid:
I have a stock ROM, but with no CoPilot Trial Installed (Just full paid for v7)

is v8 480/800 optimised?, my version of 7 is so I can use it landscape as well as portrait, getting any info out of alk is virtually impossible, I tried again to ask them about this and they still say categorically that 8 will not work on a TD2 (despite it still being in the list of compatible devices...)

Pauly
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] sb09:
Pauly,

How can ALK say it won't work yet they haven't removed it from the list of compatible devices? Doesn't make much sense, and it seems odd that they take this position.

Anyway, it works just fine on WVGA devices, there's no stretching etc on the TD2. It works very well in landscape too. I suppose there might be the possibility that it wouldn't work on every ROM (though I'd be surprised if this were the case - it certainly works well enough on Dutty's ROMs, and I suspect it would on every other one too!). It's up to you of course, but I'm pretty sure v8 will work just fine for you - I can assure you it works perfectly on my TD2, and has done since installation! HTH.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] popkid:
Yes it does seem odd... and they don't even acknowledge the contradiction!

Basically their list of compatible devices lists the TD2 (and TP2 incidentally) but when you go to the download screen there is a little note that specifically says something along the lines of "please note copilot 8 is not compatible with TD2/TP2" just those 2 phones, nothing else, and someone has taken the time to add that to the download link page... so you'd think there was a reason for it?

Twice I have e-mailed their customer support about it and they have replied confirming that it is not compatible, they make no comment about it being in the compatible devices list...

I give up, I'll stick with my CP7 that I paid double the price of CP8 for a week before CP8 launched.... :(:mad:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] rison:
I have Copilot 8 working

I purchased Copilot from there website installed and runs fine on my T-Mobile MDA Compact V (Diamond 2) and has done for some time i.e. the day it was launched. Using it on Dutty's Leo R5 at present, but it has worked on all ROM's I have tried.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] popkid:
Is it WVGA though?

P.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] Darrenives:
The note on the site about not compatible with TD2 is for those devices with a "taster" version that came on ROM I believe. ALK support told me that CP8 is fully comptablible with TD2. See email response below...

I'm running it quite happily and yes its WVGA. One other point of note is that I'm getting GPS fix in around 10 seconds from cold! Well impressed with the TD2 GPS.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] gnice18:
Copilot live works great when nothing else is running. I like to listen to music in the car using my Pure off the card at the same time. Co pilot will often crash or the music will not play the next track. I tired using kinoma play and windows media player. Is this most likely a memory usage thing?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] BigKuri:
You are right about CoPilot and other things running, but then to be honest all the other similar nav apps are the same.

I now use iG08 which is the same memory hog as all the rest, but does some clever things. CoPilot is very good, but for me, the GPS geek, iG08 has native 1 second NMEA strings recording.... (geek).

All sat nav apps I have tried (garmin, tomtom, colpilot, ig08, esri) over heat the device exactly at 26 degrees. This is on a motorbike mind you - in the car is fine as the device sits in front of the aircon blower... But for temps over 26 degrees the TD2 starts over-heating badly, and soon after crashes.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] bambony:
You are probably right about functionality but CoPilot is considerably cheaper. CoPilot has not crashed in my car or at least not that I remember but the phoone does get warm...

Tony
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] froogap:
Copilot vs TouchDiamond2

FWIT my TD2 came with a 15day trial but when I tried to run it locked-up. The inexorable support department took so long to answer any queries or complaints that the 15 days went by. They would not give me an extension so I just gave up (and bought the damn thing anyway, (v7).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] pedrera:
I've bougth copilot 7 on december 20th.

Everythings is going worse and worse.

1. After writing my card number, the site send me an error and I never receive any confirmation mail.

2. Writing to the support but they didn't understand the problem and didn't answer to my question. After a few mails, I receive a code.

3. With the installed test version coming with rom 6.5, the software was unable to connect to internet even the Diamond 2 was connected.

As then I was unable to quit the software, I must softreset and then lost all my internet settings,

4. New mail to the support and they send me a link to download an other soft version.

5 Done and then same connection problem so try to cativate the software trought the site.

6. Site tell me soft still used and activated!!!!

7. Conclusion :

ALK support was unhelpfull and the activation scheme is boring and not working properly.

8. From beginning of january I'm asking for a refund but strangely I've then no answer

From the tests on newspaper, copilot seems to be a good gps soft but from the user (me) ALK seems to accept your money but it's not giving the support needed by users and worse won't answer to any refund claim....

Hope this would help some other user looking for a reliable GPS software.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] iveco420:
No Traffic

I am at my wits end with Co-Pilot and Alk, sadly I got version 8 in July 09, I was told traffic live and the extras would be available in September, its now the end of Jan 10 and still no traffic or additional map enhancement applications. :mad::confused::eek:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] hellboy1970:
Take a loot at the alk blog. For the UK it seems that traffic is available. Sadly, for me in the netherlands it still seems to take a while...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] okidem:
copilot 8 works fine

I got the UK version when it first came out and it has worked in all roms i have tried and use over the months
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] aprmike:
I have been wanting to get CP8 running for the new features. I had 7 preinstalled on my factory ROM, and have since upgraded to wm6.5 with v7 installed, but it wont let me upgrade to 8 via the website. Now it's only £2 more to buy it anyway so I thought I'd do that but with all the problems on this thread I decided to contact support to try and get a definitive answer. After several weeks here is the response:

"We are compatble on the HTC Touch Pro 2 and HTC Touch Diamond 2 if you do not have CoPilot 7 installed. There is a bug in the HTC ROM that HTC are aware of on these devices which means that once CoPilot is installed, we cannot uninstall CoPilot in any way. For new customers that do not have a previous version of CoPilot installed, we are 100% compatible. For existing customers we are working with HTC to find a workaround to this problem but currently cannot provide a timescale on when this will be resolved. There is a workaround if you are willing to carry this out, and that is to manually delete the 2577 and CoPilot folders on your SD card and please make sure you delete also delete the "cpl7" and all other files beginning with "copilot..." in the Windows folder on your device.

Afterwards, you would need to perform a complete hard reset of your device.

Some customers did managed to delete all of the CoPilot 7 files by upgrading the ROM version from 6.1 to 6.5.

This currently is the only way to get CoPilot 8 installed onto the device cleanly at present. Sorry for the inconvenience."

Might just stick with 7 to be safe!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] renemasselink:
Totally not pleased with CoPilot 8

I have had TomTom 5, 6 and 7, Igo2008 en Copilot 8 on my Topaz and Raphael. Always with western-europe maps, driving around in Holland, Germany, Belgium and France. Copilot 8 is by far the worst navigation software i tried. Very hard to install and sometimes just stops responding to the touchscreen. Reinstalling proved to be the only solution to that. Failed many times on choosing the right route when not on the highways. Many times ended up being directed into a dead end or a pedestrianzone. Translations to Dutch are hilarious and often left me clueless. The word 'hide' by example is translated to the dutch word for 'skin' in stead of 'don't show'. The voices sound prety distorted, wich is irritating after half an hour. It looks pretty neat though, but that by it self is not enough as far as i am concerned. I'd rather be directed correctly to my destination. My favorite 'till now is Igo2008, but TomTom7 is pretty decent too. Costs a little more, but constantly having to turn around (and ask for directions!) and driving a lot more kilometers than necessary is way more expensive.... :o
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] serafino1:
In search of C7 DACH maps

I urgently need the DACH maps for Copilot 7 (with product key etc).

I have the Diamond 2 and as far as I see in previous posts(s) It is not compatible with Copilot 8 yet (as long as C7 is already installed).

ALK does not carry C7 maps any more...

Please Help!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] serafino1:
Bug in the ROM of the HTC Touch Diamond 2

Exerpt from a recent email from ALK:

Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support.

There is a bug in the ROM of the HTC Touch Diamond 2 and Touch Pro 2 that HTC are aware of on these devices which means that once CoPilot is installed, we cannot uninstall CoPilot in any way. For new customers that do not have a previous version of CoPilot installed, we are 100% compatible. For existing customers we are working with HTC to find a workaround to this problem but currently cannot provide a timescale on when this will be resolved. There is a workaround if youa re willing to carry this out, and that is to manually delete the 2577 and CoPilot folders on your SD card and then to perform a complete hard reset of your device. This currently is the only way to get CoPilot 8 installed onto the device cleanly at present.

It seems

I have to hard reset the device for just a CoPilot upgrade

!!!!!

Anybody knows a way around?

Or uninstall and go for IGO8?

Please Help!!!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] bambony:
On 2.53 official WWE here and I uninstalled CP 7 and installed CP 8 fine....

Tony
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] brendan_:
Hi - what is copilot support email address? I have reported a problem on their online support portal about a month ago - I got a standard reply within a couple of days that did not fix my problem and I have responded with more details, but haven't heard back from them at all. I have kept bumping it but nothing. So frustrating ...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Themes and Apps] gmbouah:
Copilot Live 8.0

I have an HTC Snap - I have bought CoPilot Live 8.0 and am very happy with the way that the navigation works

BUT

the latest program has left out support for non-touch screen Windows Mobile 6 phones. The CoPilot Online Support portal is also very slow in replying to queries.

Does anybody have a copy of copilot.wmsp.cab? (This seems to be the file missing in CoPilot Live 8.0 to make it non-touch screen compatible) Could you please send this to me?

Thanks.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] bbxcani:
So I deleted all my SMS by accident today and I was wondering if there is anyway to restore it?? I don't have anything backed up though I dont think...

Anyways, if someone could please let me know that would be awesome!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
i have flashed my diamond with the official htc rom

im on 1.40 olinex, now i can only access boot mode.

sometimes if i leave the phone without a battery for like 2 hours, when i turn it on i see the "touch diamond" logo, if i leave the battery for a whole day i see the windows mobile loading screen, but then suddenly the phone turns off

plz if you have any idea about this problem help me :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ElCondor:
If you can acces bootloader, then your diamond isn't bricked.

Try the unsigned version of olinex' hard-SPL and flash the ROM again.

Good luck!:)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
hey ElCondor, im on 1.40 olinex, i cant flash it because it is protected

how can i flash the unsigned 1.40 olinex one?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ElCondor:
Here is a link to the unsigned hard-spl.

Make sure you download "Unsigned-Hard-SPL-Diamond-OliNex.zip".

Follow the instructions:

1) Download, extract to an empty folder.

2) Run RomUpdateUtility.exe, Have Phone Synced with PC (go into bootloader, connect your cable, then the word "serial" in bootloader will change into "USB".

3) follow steps, check device for prompts after PC shows loading bar. it should go to black screen now.

4) SPL flashes, device automatically reboots, job done.

5) to confirm you got it installed, go into bootloader mode (volume down + reset, i.e. press volume down button and reset then keep holding the volume down key until you see tricolour screen) and verify the screen shows 1.40.OliNex.

note: you will not see the SPL version during normal boot, that is the OS version, not SPL!

Installing this will hard-reset your device.

Best Regards,

ElCondor
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
when i flashed the unsigned 1.40 olinex, the device rebooted

windows mobile is preparing your phone for first use

htc logo

phone went off :S

will try flashing rom again
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
flashed ROM again, now it wont boot up no htc diamond logo no nothing

i can access boot mode (1.40 olinex unsigned now i guess)

is there no way i can boot the rom? what seems to be my problem?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] sabes143:
Hi

If you can access the bootloader then your device is not bricked. Therefore download a rom of your choice then connect to the usb when on the bootloader then use a Diamond custom RUU (normally come with the rom) follow the steps. After rom updated make a hard reset. I hope it will run ok.

Looks your symtons are showing like your rom corrupted.

Good luck
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
i am flashing this ROM

RUU_Diamond_HTC_Europe_1.93.401.2_Radio_Signed_Diamond_52.29.25.12_1.00.25.05_Ship

the newest one i downloaded from htc. com is giving me rom update error

would you recommend a good rom for my phone?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
after flashing and reflashing and hard resetting with the ROM showed above

still cant boot in ROM mode, only in boot mode :(

el condor sabes, anything ???

should i flash with a new rom, and if yes with which?

(diam100 olinex 1.40 unsigned)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] FrAsErTaG:
Perhaps try a custom rom?

I found when flashing to an official rom from a different provider (my phones telstra and was flashing 3) I had issues with the rom booting and had to follow a post on here somewhere to get it working, however When I had this problem I could still flash any custom rom with no issues.

Unless its for warrenty purposes then its probably not worth flashing the "original" perhaps flash A.Z.T.O.R. = Alpha Zero Tweaked Official Roms which are close to the original but with benifits of being modded for faster speed etc.

Anyways Im no pro but I know what you are going through and I am trying to find the link to the fix to your problem as I also had the problem. But recommend trying a custom rom to confirm the problem is the same as mine.

For the record now I do not use official roms anymore, with WM6.5 running well for the most part on the diamond its a great step backwards when you revisited 6.1
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
flashed to SwiftBL-WWE-Diamond-v7.5-Full-16MbPP

still same problem can only go to boot mode

i am feeling there is no solution to my problem ?

is the phone bricked? :S
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ElCondor:
If you haven't done yet, flash the hard-spl I posted. Just do it, re-instal the hard-spl! Then, flash another ROM, maybe (as said before) your rom is corrupted.

The problem here is, that you first installed the unsigned hard-spl, and then flashed a corrupt rom. In that way, the hard-spl can be damaged too, so flash the hard-spl again and flash another rom should work.

Good luck!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
I did :S but to no avail, I will do it again fingers crossed :S !

update: weird, everytime after i flash the hardspl unsigned, it boots up, i can see the "touch diamond" logo

windows mobile booted.. preparing your device..

update 2: windows mobile booted, installing everything

omgomg it looks it might work this time, fingers still crossed !!

el condor !! haha fingers crossed

update 3 :S : windows mobile installed properly, phone rebooted, went again and opened it, then i heard a sound from the speaker and the phone turned off :S

it must work what could the problem be now? last step !
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ElCondor:
Okay try a hard-reset, maybe that works.

If not, then flash hard-spl again, then hard-reset, then flash another ROM. Then hard reset. Then try again if it boots.

Is your battery enough charged? That could also be a reason.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
did not work, wont even boot up

when i said if i leave battery out and such, I thought it might be hardware/heat related

http://www.htcwiki.com/thread/2069847/HTC+Diamond+-+Severe+Crashing+Problem,+maybe+heat+related

could this be it? will i have to send my phone for repairs?

because maybe when WinMo was loaded, the phone started to heat up and it shut down

so basically my solution is not a software fix??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ElCondor:
If none of the tips worked, and you have the same problems as described in the site you linked, then you probably have to send it back.

One thing you could do: Try if the other hard-spls (1.37 and 1.93 unsigned) are working for you.

I'm sorry for you, maybe someone more skilled than me (like cmonex or olipro) knows how to solve your problem.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
it's alright :S i thank you for all the help you have offered !

( it is customizing right now) but i expect it to reboot anytime now :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mzaouar:
worked, 5 minutes into winmo it restarts :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] msvb007:
oh,does it worked?how can you get it work?Please tell me....my diamond could only get in the bootloader yet....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] ElCondor:
OK good to hear that, if you have any more questions in future, just ask!

Glad to be of some help:)

Ive sent you a pm, there's no need to use this thread for your questions because the problem in this thread is solved.

So take a look at your pm!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] donsalari:
Now I am facing this problem. :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] karelvaak:
me too, i ordered a new battery to see if this could be the problem.. i keep you posted
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] csjneek:
my phone also got bricked today out of the blue

after a hard reset it vibrated a little then nothing didnt turn on.

now it gets very hot if leave battery in.

sometimes it starts, boots into windows then it gets even hotter and it freezes or shuts down.

tried switch to other battery but it does the same thing.

could this be somehow a software fault, like if i revert to original SPL or relock radio

might get it fixed?