yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
There is no "best" radio for everyone, it can vary a lot. Just try one of the latest radios and see how well it works for you. It's very easy to flash a new one since you don't lose any settings etc.

Correct, you need HardSPL to flash a radio. HardSPL needs a licence, yes, but don't worry about that because as part of the process of running HardSPL it automatically talks to a server and gets you a licence for free.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Lennyz1988:
The batterie drain of the .77 is higher then the .91. But with the .91 I couldn't even watch youtube because for me it made a really bad connection. With .77 I have faster internet but a slight decrease of signal strenght.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dcelluser:
GPS performance is incredible!

I noticed that not only is the 4.49.25.77 radio faster at GPS locks, it finds more satelites too! In my house on a cloudy day with ATT stock ROM and radio lock would take about 20 seconds (not bad) but would only find 6 satelites. With the .77 radio it locks in under 10 seconds from cold boot and broke a record today (my personal record) by finding 12 satelites in a rain storm! Amazing! Oh and for once I can talk in my house without the call dropping and the data is a little faster.

If you want faster websurfing is Google's public DNS settings of 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 in the connecting settings and you will see a drastic reduction in latency. ATT DNS servers suck!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dudeluv:
I agree 100% but explain more in detail how to do this, I went to connections/advanced/MEdiaNet/edit/edit/next/next/advanced/tcpip..use specific ip address 8.8.8.4 and use specific server address 8.8.8.8

is this what you meant beause I get an error in opera trying to connect:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hixmatt:
Start > Settings > Connections > Connections > MEdia Net - Manage existing connections > Edit > Next > Next > Advanced > Servers > Use specific server address > enter 8.8.8.8 in first box and 8.8.4.4 in the second. Done
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] swtaltima:
My settings following your map only has one box on that page, should i scroll to the next pg with dns server settings etc. and if so in which box do i enter the second address? Thanks.

Using valkeries leo rom 4/25/10
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NinjaBlack:
What would it say in my settings if I have the stock 6.5 rom? I have to send my TP2 back to tmobile and don't want any problems. All help appreciated.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hixmatt:
I'm using WM 6.5.5, so that may be the slight difference. Yes, the page where DNS server settings are listed, toggle from 'User server-assigned addresses' to 'Use specific server address,' then enter 8.8.8.8 in the 'DNS' box and 8.8.4.4 in the 'Alt DNS' box. Again, it may be slightly off if your Win build is different, but it should be intuitive. Hope that helps. -Matt
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Alcibiade:
You're lucky. I have a Tilt2 and it takes one minute or more to lock in Manhattan :(

I am on the same radio
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Maybe too much concrete and steel and not enough sky? ;)

Whatever its drawbacks (if any) 4.49.25.77 is definitely -- significantly -- the best radio for GPS among the several I've tried. Unfortunately, I hardly ever use GPS...but if I do then I'll be equipped and ready! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Alcibiade:
I tried in the park !!! Something must be wrong with me, my previous UK TP2 had issues to... Anyway aGPS is often enough
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Alcibiade:
You know what ? It looks like on AT&T Software compression an IP headers compression works as well (at least it doesn't block my access or result in an error)

And yes Google proxy + this, it's fast... really fast
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Are you also using the "HTC GPS Tool" -- to jump-start the GPS function? Not before every use, but maybe after every S.R.?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jasonllh:
hi,

did the .77 radio solve the GPS lag problem....especially in Garmin and TomTom?

Improved GPS lock in timing doesn't necessary translate to no lag in navigation, i suppose? :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] leo45neo:
Need a lil help.

So, i got the HTC Tilt 2 for AT&T. I just flashed the energy ROM sense 2.1. I was wondering which radio i should flash now. All i am really looking for is better call quality. GPS doesn't matter to me. Which radio would you recommend. thank You.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
There's no single "recommended" radio. Just start with perhaps the most recent one, give it a try and see how it works for you. What is good for one person might not necessarily be good for you, e.g. depending on what area you're in, how far you are from the cell masts etc.

It's easy to reflash radios since you don't lose data/settings etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Alcibiade:
I know I should... I didnt bother but I should...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] leo45neo:
Thanks for the info. I tried the latest radio it it made my signal connection a lot better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cbenslay:
MEdia Net cannot be modified

OK, I am a total noob to this. Did a lot with my SE w580i, but new to HTC and WinMo... On my AT&T Tilt 2, when I follow your directions I get a screen that says MEdia Net connection is pre-configured and cannot be modified. I am assuming I cannot change the DNS settings then.

While I have someones attention (hopefully) can I pgrade the TouchFlo 3D from 2.1.19183217.0 to a newer 2.5 version?

Thanks,

Chuck
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
I don't know about your first question, but on the second one you can go to 2.5 by flashing a new ROM, e.g one of the cooked ones from this forum, loads of them have 2.5. You should also check out those with the Cookie Home Tab (CHT) built in, which is an awesome customisable home screen on top of 2.5.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hixmatt:
Stock ROM has it locked to read-only. Make this change:

HKLM\Comm\ConnMgr\Destinations\Media Net\ReadOnly from 1 to 0

-Matt
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
The GPS lag has NOTHING to do with the radio. If you'll notice, Google maps almost has 0 lag when using GPS/real time tracking.

I'm convinced the lag has to do with the GPS app itself. While I use the latest Tomtom (which lags), there have been discussions where an older version of Tomtom had very little to no lag.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dazzer:
I have just updated all the ROMs on my phone after having lots of trouble with HTCs latest official release. I changed the Radio ROM from .91 to .77, as a lot of people are saying .77 gets faster data speeds and also potentially faster GPS locks.

I can't confirm either of those yet, nor am I having any real problems with the new Radio rom that would make me change it. But I have noticed some strange behaviour. I find that when using my phone, especially doing something using the data connection, the type of connection changes very quickly.

When I am physically in the same place, I find that one moment it will say H (HSDPA), then it will quickly change to E (EDGE), 3G or even G (GPRS). Then a moment later, it will have changed again. The signal strength also seems to change a lot more than it did with .91. I never saw this with the previous Radio Rom installed, version .91.

As I have also updated the main ROM at the same time (to Energy May 1 Build 21903) I do not know what the exact cause of this issue is.

Has anyone seen this behaviour with radio .77?

Would I be able to flash the Radio ROM without losing my data and without any bugs/problems?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Yes, you can flash a new radio and it won't touch anything else (your ROM, settings, data etc).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] jfb23:
4.49.25.91 vs 4.49.25.77

These are my non scientific observations between the two Radios. I am in the Philadelphia area. I have flashed both Radios many times and left them installed for a minimum of a week on the same Rom to make these observations (long enough for the device to get acclimated to the Radio).

.77

more stable-Good

very few lockups-Good

device response time is fast-Good

slightly faster connection speeds-Good

GPS quick lock within a few seconds-Good

runs warmer (I believe it is due to low signal strength) 3.2-3.6 degrees vs 3.0-3.2 degrees with .91-Bad

Battery life is between 12 to 15 hours with moderate to heavy use.

charges correctly (leave plugged in over night and turn on with 100% charge)-Good

signal strength is not as strong.-Bad

More dropped calls.-Bad

I notice more data connection failures or searching for signal in some locations.

.91

stable-good

A few more lock ups then the .77 Radio

a little sluggish-not bad

runs cooler-good

Battery life is still between 12 and 15 hours with Moderate to Heavy use.

GPS lock within 30 seconds to a minute-not bad but not great

signal strength is always above 2 bars-great

dropped calls are at a minimum-good

data connections seems to be more stable and consistent.

This is the one that gets me the most. The .91 charge indicator (over night with device shut off) is inconsistent. I have turned on the device to indicate anything from 85% to 96% charge. I never get a 100% charge unless the device is on while charging.

I find myself flashing between the two. When I have time to charge the .91 to 100% then I stick with it until I can't, then I switch to .71 until the phone heat and dropped calls gets to me. Then I flash back. I am debating about flashing to the original Radio 4.48.25.20 to see how that works.

I know with new operating system roms the phone needs time to adjust, and usually shows significant battery drain and/or incorrect battery indicators. Is this the same with Radio Roms? No matter how long I have waited for the .91 rom to adjust, it never does. I have searched for a cure but can't find one for the battery charge.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dvsmindedone:
radio

hello i just flashed my tilt 2 with 6.5.5|ROM|WWE| ★ Energy Series 23568/21903 |May 4| ★ Sense 2.5 / 2.1 / Titanium. my service provider is att and the rom came with radio 4.48.25.20, is that the up to date version radio or should i download and flash the 4.49.25.77 version ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
It's up to you, basically.

Unlike with ROMs it's very very easy to flash new radios and experiment with them, because you don't lose any data or settings. So try your new ROM with the existing radio for a bit. Then try flashing one of the most up to date radios and see if you notice any difference in terms of signal, GPS performance, battery life, call quality, etc, etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dvsmindedone:
thank you, steviewevie. much appreciated
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] christhedon:
Why is it with Roms you should run task29 but with radios its not recommended?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Simply because task29 doesn't erase the radio, only the ROM itself. Flashing radios is a whole lot simpler than flashing ROMs, there doesn't appear to be the same issue of getting a "bad flash".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] acedj123:
Could someone please post the rilphone.dll for AT&T Radio 4.48.25.20? Preferably the one from the stock AT&T Tilt2 ROM with that radio in it.

Thanks in advance!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Can I ask why you need it ? People don't bother changing rilphone.dll on the TP2/Tilt2 these days, that seems to be a historical thing that other phones needed in the past ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] acedj123:
Sure...I just flashed an Energy ROM and lost the aGPS functionality on 3G. It works fine on 2G but I am assuming that it may be due to the rilphone.dll not being the right one for the stock radio. I tried using the various aGPS fix .cabs floating around with no avail and would like to try replacing the rilphone.dll that matches the radio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
A different rilphone.dll is needed for certain features/performance. For example: a specific rilphone.dll is needed to get "name display" working on Rogers. (Rogers is able to display the name of the person calling if it is a listed number, regardless of whether the number is stored in your contacts or not). Without a rilphone.dll from a Rogers branded device, this feature does not work.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ronin4740:
Radio or ROM?

Am curious about something...

In the past few ROM's I've noticed that if I'm on a call for more than 10 min the 3G/H icon changes to a G and I lose the ability to access data for the duration of the call. When I end the call within a few min the 3G/H icon will return.

I had been using the 4.49.25.91 version of the radio but have just switched to the 4.49.25.77 version...

In your experience is what I'm describing more likely to be a Radio or a ROM issue? I can live with it but it is nice to be able to use Bing/Google navigation and make calls as well. Kind of annoying when the map stops refreshing...

Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigBopper:
Flashing Radios from SD Card - .exe vs. .nbh

Hi -

I have flashed several ROMs but no radios yet.

I prefer to flash from SD Cards.

Several radios I have dl'ed come in a .exe windows executable vs the .nbh.

The XDA instructions are clear to rename an existing .nbh image to flas from SD cards.

What about .exe files? Can one flash these from SD Cards?

Thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Pumpiron579:
I have not done it but I think if you put it on your SD card and run it, it should install, just don't have any RHODIMG.nbh showing, if so, put it in a folder.

You can always use winrar or 7zip to unpack the exe,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigBopper:
thanks, I'll give it a whirl tonight
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
You need to extract the nbh from the exe and transfer it to your SD card. It will not run off your SD card as is.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigBopper:
I was afraid someone was going to say that.

How do I extract it? It's just one file vs. a collection of files in a folder.

Thanks in advance.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Have you tried to open it with 7zip (it's freeware) or Winrar or similar?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigBopper:
Good idea. Thanks, solved now.

Used archive manager in Ubuntu to split it apart. I can see the RUU.exe and .nbh files now. Previous downloads of ROMs never came in .exe's - only in rars, etc. Kind of surprised I could split apart an .exe. I thought .exe's were sort of integrated.

Anyway, thanks again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
The exe file in question is just a zip file, albeit a self-extracting zip file.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dcelluser:
This is a common symptom that you are about to drop a call. I used to have this problem with a stock ATT Tilt2 ROM but upgrading the radio to 4.49.25.91 fixed it. Like you I tried the .77 radio and the problem started to come back although not as bad. The radio is suppose to drop to a EDGE or GSM whenever to signal gets weak. The .91 Radio seems to be the most stable so far to me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kangburra:
I got good results with the Telstra radio and EnergyRom 2.1. I stopped using it due to battery drain but GPS fix was the best I've seen and data wass good too. I am now on Cell Pro and both are good with the stock radio, I flashed the stock rom before the Cell Pro. I'm also deaf so no idea on voice quality. :-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Couple of questions. First, have you got aGPS (assisted GPS) turned on ? Second, have you used the HTC GPSTool ? The latter helps you get the lock on the satellites, you run it once after a new flash, then subsequent locks via Google Maps etc should be fairly quick.

Those two radios worked fine for me with EnergyROM, though I'm in a different part of the world to you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Davano:
Anyone know how to extract and use a radio by SD card. I tried before but it doesnt work and i tried Pocketrar. someone please give me step by step. The radio i got now sucks. I have only 2 to 1 bars at home.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] [rono]:
Anyone tested version 4.49.25.77 (Telstra, Australia) with T-Mobile US?

The discrepancies in the version numbers is a little disconcerting so I was just wondering.

Right now, I'm using 4.49.25.91
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Not sure what you mean about version-number discrepancies...?

But I've used .77 for months now, and it works fine. For GPS it seems to be the best (for me and others if not all).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] [rono]:
I'm using .91

It would seem like .77 is an older version.

Wouldn't it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Good question. That's what I think too. What happened is that the .91 radio was found/dumped and posted up on here. Later on, someone came across .77 and posted it up here too. So since .77 was the last to be posted here, it's put up as the "latest". Like you, the number to me would seem to indicate it's an "older" version.

My own guess (which of course may be totally wrong) is that either it just took a while for anyone to notice .77, or (more likely IMHO) the carrier that released this just ended up delaying it for whatever reasons (technical, commercial, etc), so it ended up being released to the public very late.

It doesn't really matter though. Just try out some of those later versions and see if you can notice any difference for you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] [rono]:
I'll try putting it through its paces today, especially with GPS.

We'll see how it turns out.

So far, using the phone seems normal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Even if .77 was/is older than .91 that doesn't mean it's not as good...or that it's better. The release of new radios isn't a consistent march towards better performance (and I don't know why new radio-roms are released in general :confused:). Performance of a particular radio for a particular person can depend on your location and what os-rom version you're running, maybe what carrier, etc.

That's why when people ask "which radio is best?" they're usually told to try several and see which is best for them. It's so easy to flash a radio-rom, why not?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] [rono]:
Verdict: .77 is significantly faster as far as a GPS lock is concerned. Wow! I got a lock from Google Maps once in about 7 seconds. But it varies as I moved around.

One thing I secretly hoped but was not lucky with: Get a better 3G reception inside my building. I mean away from the windows. I'm still doing Edge. :-(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] superchilpil:
Stupid question from a stupid noob

ive unlocked my Tilt2 through AT&T with the whole im going out of the country nonsense but i would like to flash radios from another device. does this allow me to or did i waste my time and still hafta buy the software from the Olinex Team?

P.M if possible plz i dont wanna brick my device
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Flash radios from a different device ? What do you mean ? There is a choice of Rhodium radios in this thread. But yes, if you want to flash them, you will need HardSPL.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] joseph881:
He's talking about flashing Topaz Radios. To do that, your phone NEEDS to be Security Unlock. Anyway, to answer his question, if you want your phone security unlocked, you will still need to buy Olinex's unlock tool, so if you were going to do that, it didn't make much sense to unlock your phone via ATT.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
And don't forget that you can only flash Topaz radios if they are re-signed for the Rhodium. You can't just take a radio from the Topaz radio thread and flash it on a Rhodium as is.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Well, that's what I was checking. Is that what he means though ? Because if you, say, flashed a CDMA radio on your GSM phone you'd probably brick it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
RE Flashing non-Rhodium Radios:

Just curious -- why do/would someone want to flash a Topaz/other-device radio to their TP2? Is there some reason to think it's better than all of the many radio-roms released specifically for the TP2?

(I'm not arguing that it's not, just asking.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] joseph881:
I would think it's the same scenarios for flashing all radios in general. Just like there is no "Best" radio in this thread for everyone, so everyone uses different radios to fit there needs, having radios from another device just expands the selection.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nido23:
Hello everyone, i have a question regarding my TP2.

I live here in the Manila, Philippines. I have a brand new TP2 and everything is working.

My question is, if i do the HardSPL thing then installed a new rom (cooked WM 6.5). Do I need to change Radio? will there be a problem if i installed a new radio? like losing 3g and having poorer signals etc? or much worse?

Should i tweak my Touch Pro 2 or not?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
No, you don't need to change the radio. You can stay with the radio that you had before you flashed the cooked ROM. But you might find if you install a later radio version, it might give you better performance (signal/GPS lock/etc). It's easy to experiment, because unlike flashing a ROM, you don't lose any data, so you can easily try out different radios.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] efrant:
joseph is correct -- it just expands your selection of radio available to you. Radios for certain devices are the same. For example, radios released for the Raphael, Diamond and Blackstone are all the same, it's just that they are signed to be used with a specific device. Same thing goes for radios released for the Rhodium and Topaz.

You can flash other radios assuming: 1) they are compatible with your device; AND 2) they are re-signed to use on your device; AND 3) your have HardSPL on your device; AND 4) your device is "security unlocked".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Yeah, I understand the theoretical reason for flashing a non-TP2 radio...but I haven't seen any reports on this thread of the performance of those radios, unlike reports comparing the various TP2 radio-roms.

That's why I was asking if there was any reason to think the non-TP2 radios were better. I wouldn't have flashed from the stock TMoUSA radio if I hadn't read on this thread of the superiority of later/other TP2 radios. So seems like if radios from other devices had turned out to be a good idea for the TP2 then somebody who had actually tried one would have posted their experience on this thread...since people aren't shy about posting their experience with TP2 radios.