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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ut0p1a:
So I decided to go back to Radio 3.46.25.30, and definitely my internet connection is faster, and more bars. I used to have (4.49.25.17), and I only get 1 or 2 bars.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JBS2:
New radio andundeliverd messages?

I have flashed radio 4.49.25.17 a few weeks ago and noticed that a few messages send from my TP2 did not arrive on the receiving phone. Could this be caused by the new radio?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Were these messages SMS or MMS?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] argoldst:
I have been having the same problem. Not sending sms or mms, but sometimes I am getting sms VERY late (like 30-40 minutes later) and some mms I just never receive.

I am also wondering if this is a radio issue. FYI, I am using a TP2 bought from Tmobile USA on their network and also using the newest Energy Photon rom 2.1 I don't recall this ever happening before I changed the radio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JBS2:
SMS, never sending MMS.

I'm using a simlock free TP2 and a 2.1 Energy ROM.

Just saw that I am talking about the senders phone in my previous post, but the messages did not arrive on the phone of the receiving person. I have edited my previous post.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Over the years, with various phones, when I experience delays receiving SMS -- or recipients experience delays receiving my SMS -- I always assume it's a network issue (e.g., T-Mobile routing network temporarily bad), not the phone.

Anyway, FWIW, I've successfully received and sent SMS with the 4.49.25.17 in the past week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] JBS2:
Your talking about delays, but what about recipients who didn't receive my SMS at all?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I don't know enough to say why it works or doesn't...only that it works for me (I just-now sent an SMS to a friend and got a response within a minute).

Maybe it's a factor of location and network -- you're apparently in the Netherlands on "KPN" and I'm in the western USA on T-Mobile.

If it's a persistant problem you might try flashing to a different radio-rom and testing that -- to trouble-shoot, I mean. Or even go back to the stock radio-rom if that's available -- and perform a message-sending test.

That's what I would do if I was trying to isolate the cause of the problem: A/B testing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Noob question here. I've tried looking around as much as I can, and am just trying to get my head around things.

Am I right to think that the radio version is totally indepenent of any other ROM flashing I do ? There are no pre-requisites ?

Right now I have a TP2 from Vodafone UK, and am wondering if I can dip my toe into the water of ROM-flashing by trying a new radio version, and leaving the ROM itself (and all my settings and functionality) as is ? I realise I need the Hard SPL for this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Yes, radio-rom is independent of OS-rom -- data/apps/settings not affected by radio-rom flashing. (and you already know that you need the HardSPL).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] orb3000:
Any recommendations on a particular version for my unbranded TP2 in México?

Provider: Telcel

Thanks,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Backmankiller:
Noob question. If i flash my radio will it change my Rom, I have the shawdowline rom and my radio is 3.45.25.14. I have a unlocked Tmo Tp2 and im using a att sim so id like to upgrade. Any help?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] fyn3zt:
Hey guys im currently using ATT tilt2(Rhodium), Udk manila 2.6 rom v3, radio 4.49.25.17 and im getting full bars and pretty fast internet... i do not see 3G but an H i dont see any difference.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Backmankiller:
The H symbol is just another symbol for 3g,

High-Speed Downlink Packet Access (HSDPA) is an enhanced 3G (third generation) mobile telephony communications protocol in the High-Speed Packet Access (HSPA) family, also coined 3.5G, 3G+ or turbo 3G, which allows networks based on Universal Mobile Telecommunications System (UMTS) to have higher data transfer speeds and capacity. Current HSDPA deployments support down-link speeds of 1.8, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.0 Mbit/s. Further speed increases are available with HSPA+, which provides speeds of up to 42 Mbit/s downlink and 84 Mbit/s with Release 9 of the 3GPP standards.[1]
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
No...Same answer as posted a few posts ago...here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] framingpro:
Mirrors please>>>help

Could never download from Rapid share...never. Need a better radio, all the links suck for me. HELP ME DOWNLOAD TMO Radio
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bennyj71:
I'm also having this problem. The phone will take forever to answer, but strangely I can Ignore a call with one slide. As far using the reconstruct as was suggested, I came from stock and had this issue. I have even tried the "stock" version Herg has created. Flashed an Energy Leo and TPC rom with the same issue. I'll try going back to stock Tilt 2 radio, if I can find it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmicha:
AT&T Radio Request 4.48.25.20

I have 4.48.25.20 radio on my stock AT&T Tilt 2, and would like to potentially be able to restore that after trying some others.

Anyone have the radio / rilphone.dll combo available?

Thanks in advance,

Michael
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] orb3000:
Bump:)

no Mexicans with TP2:confused:

Any advice?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] goody1928:
mirrors

no internet at home right now and i have an ancient radio 3.45.xx or something. can someone please post some hotfile links. cant download rapidshare on my tp2 but hotfile works
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] spiderpumpkin:
I have the ATT Tilt2. I've been switching back and forth between the stock ATT radio 4.48.25.20 and the 4.49.25.17 radio. I'm using them with the 10/28 EnergyRom Photon 21864 rom. So far I haven't seen a big difference between the two.

The 4.49... may be faster at times and the 4.48... may be more reliable at times but that's the only difference I've seen so far.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Squeaky369:
So; I haven't read this here, but I just wanna make sure (I searched too and didn't find anything); since my phone came with a Topaz radio on it (AT&T Tilt 2) that I can safely flash other Topaz roms as well? I am also security and SIM unlocked.

Thanks guys.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] d0ugie:
Rhodium Radio mirror

For those of you who aren't in love with rapidshare, here you go:

3.44.25.27 - htc

3.46.25.18 - htc

3.46.25.30 - htc

4.46.25.24 - htc

4.47.25.24 - att

4.49.25.05 - tmo - rilphone included, sketchy reputation

4.49.25.17 - htc

all of them - 62mb
​

Thank you At0mAng.

Doug
​
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mmicha:
Good question, would like to know also?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ramidlav:
Hi, I have a T-mobile security unlocked hardSPL phone. I have flashed it with EnergyROM but I don´t know anything about radios.

I was wondering if anyone could be so kind to tell me if I would gain anything from flashing another radio over my current one (current radio: 3.46.25.18)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] yznhmr:
will this work on the sprint TP2 phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
My personal experience: I found that switching from the stock TMo USA radio-rom to the 4.49.25.17 radio-rom gave me a faster/better GPS fix/lock, a little better EDGE signal, and (I think) a little better 3G signal.

YMMV

Since your current radio is listed as an available rom to re-flash it seems like you'd have little to lose by trying other radios, since you could go back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ramidlav:
I´ll give it a go, thank you :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rhfritz:
Are radio roms interchangeable, e.g. AT&T vs T-Mobile?

AT&T refused to sell me a no-commitment Tilt2. So I bought a T-Mobile Tilt2 and have now unlocked it. My old AT&T phone would get 3G coverage. My TMO phone with the AT&T sim does not appear to get 3G. My understanding is that TMO uses 1700 3G freq but AT&T uses 1900. Do the radio roms I see here have differences related to freq? Or is there a genuine difference between an HTC TMO radio and the AT&T one?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DougAdamsFan:
I could be wrong, and probably am (I am still kind of a nub around here), but I thought the frequency restrictions on 3G freq were hardware locked on the individual phones from different sellers, which is why people were saying they couldn't get T-mo 3g with unlocked European versions.

Perhaps someone who is less of a nub can offer a more definitive response.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I'm not an expert either, but I've learned this:

As the first answerer said, for radio-hardware reasons you can't use T-Mo 3G radio hardware on ATT's network. And since you're using an ATT sim card the T-Mo 3G network doesn't like you either, even though your phone is actually compatible from a hardware standpoint.

The radio roms don't enable/permit what's prevented by hardware. It really kinda sucks that the USA is not even domestically harmonized on 3G (TMo vs ATT) even though the whole GSM world is harmonized on a 2+G level.

Again, I don't understand this at any deep level, just what I've learned in the past few months.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rhfritz:
So what is in a cooked radio rom?

I've downloaded the .rar files containing the radio roms. But unlike the other cooked roms, there don't appear to be anything other than vague descriptions (e.g. faster gps acquisition, etc.) of what changes were made. Clearly someone has figured out what is modifiable in a radio rom. Is there a FAQ somewhere on this topic?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
If you're talking about the radio-roms listed at the beginning of this thread, I don't think these are cooked roms (not like the OS-roms are cooked) -- just various different radio roms as released by HTC or carrier.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DougAdamsFan:
so far as I understand the modifications in different radios have mostly to do with how power is allocated to the various radio components...for example one rom may give more power to the 3g component to allow for greater 3g reception, at the cost of lessened power consumption, and therefore reception, to, say EDGE. Or there may not be a trade-off with another radio component per se but the battery may drain faster on the whole.

It is for this reason that there is not one "best radio" for all users and is very geographically dependent as to which will work best for you. If you're in a region that is densely populated with, for example, EDGE towers but is a little light on 3g coverage the above example would be a better rom than one that is heavy on edge allocation but light on 3g, likewise you could get away with one that provides minimal voice allocation if, say, the place you use the phone most is sitting right underneath a voice radio tower.

Also, if you don't tend to venture very much outside of your comfort zone and don't need a lot of GPS you could use a rom that doesn't favor GPS since you're not likely to use the GPS features on the phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tmotp2jc:
TMO US Radio

Okay, so I think the official WWE ROMs include a Radio update within them, because all the sudden I have the latest HTC Radio. I was not planning on flashing my radio for warranty purposes, but now am stuck. Has anyone been able to extract the official TMOUS Radio (I believe it's 3.45.25.14) as a "just in case"?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I think the answer is NO -- no flashable stock TMoUSA radio-rom...so far.

I'm in the same boat, but not worring about it.

If we're lucky, and TMo releases an official WM6.5 upgrade in the next month or 2, maybe that upgrade ROM will include a new stock TMo radio-rom as part of the package...as you found the HTC-upgrade did.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tmotp2jc:
Thanks for the response. I hope so... I'm not to worried about it yet, but I did start noticing my slider rests just a little slightly to the left (looking at the phone in portrait), and has a little play. Not that big of a deal, but if it gets any worse I would want it replaced.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
That would be funny/sad -- if T-Mo denied your (possible) return because of the non-stock radio. "See -- that's why your keyboard don't slide right nomore -- it's that durn furrin radio you got on it!" :p

:D

(BTW: My T-Mo TP2 keyboard slider is/has done a little like what you're describing...but it doesn't seem to be getting worse, so it's OK. If I really cared I think it would be easy to put a little dab of something -- epoxy, maybe -- as a new/augmented "stop" to reposition the closed point.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] spiderpumpkin:
I'm back to using 4.49.25.17 after going back to AT&T 4.48 radio. I think the 4.49.25.17 works the best with EnergyROM 6.5 21864 standard.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bacco:
Dude...where'd you find the ATT 4.48.25.20 radio?

Thx
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rhfritz:
Radio rom choice?

So as I understand it, if I have a TMO branded phone, I have a choice of the TMO radio rom or an HTC rom. What difference would I expect to notice?

Has anyone tried to flash an ATT radio onto an unbranded or TMO radio? What happens? Does the RUU give the "wrong version" message or do you end up with a smart PDA?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] oajungen:
I have been using the 4.49.25.17 radio with the Fusion ROM 6.0 for some time. Noticed a dramatic change in battery time. I went from almost 2 days to not even one day (with push mail enabled). I also installed this radio version on a TP2 with stock ROM (6.1) and also noticed the same problem.

I am trying radio 3.46.25.30 with a 6.5 ROM at this moment and everything is working fine. I even think the battery time is back to normal.....

Is someone else having the same battery drain issues with radio 4.49.25.17?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] spiderpumpkin:
From the reconstructed AT&T rom that flashes everything back to stock. Just flash that whole setup to get the radio back on there and then reinstall your cooked rom.

http://mobilitydigest.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2113
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tmotp2jc:
Okay, I'm still rather new but I'll try to answer your question, XDA vets correct me where I'm wrong.

The radio firmware is the bridge between your radio hardware and the ROM.Think modem protocols. They determine the power to give to the radio hardware to control signal strength, which is where the major benefit/problem would be. rilphone.dll is the library that WindowsCE uses to communicate with the Radio firmware. So , at the 30,000 foot level, rilphone.dll is the phone software that commincates with the radio firmware that controls signal strength and power. You'll notice, if you mismatch the radio firmware and rilphone.dll, your battery life will suffer as a result and signal lock may suffer as a result. Most chef's post what Radio they use when they cook their ROMs, so you know which one to flash to your phone for best battery life. I just recently learned that the HTC official WWE ROMS include a radio re-flash in the installation, so no worries there. However, HTC nor T-Mo US provided the stock ROM (matter of fact, I don't think that any of the carriers have their original RUU's posted [probably so they know who's been sticking their hands in the cookie jar, so to speak, for warranty purposes]).

So, in short direct answers to your questions, expect the negative difference to be cell phone and battery life quality for using a radio the ROM wasn't designed for, and no you won't get any errors using different Radio Firmwares.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] samsat:
Radio Rom's bricking TP2

Twice now, while trying to upgrade my radio, the process hung after about 12% and would not recover.

The tri-colour boot loader screen would appear but with a lot of corrupted writing on it. Hard reset would not work and HTC eventually replaced the phone.

This was before HSPL.

Then I loaded HSPL. I also upgraded to the HTC stock WWE WM6.5 with it's included radio. I then tried to change the radio and same problem as above.

I eventually ran the HSPL re-lock program which then restored the boot loader and I was able to do a hard reset back to WM6.5. I then reloaded the stock WM6.1 beacuse I did not like the WM6.5 UI or the radio it came with.

I did frequent updates on my Kaiser with no problems at all. Now I am scared to do anything with my TP2 in case it bricks again.

Any suggestions?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ut0p1a:
Why not flash one or two and find out for self. :D:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Radio for Mexico?

I agree with Ut0p1a's suggestion...especially if the current/stock radio is among those extracted and therefore re-flashable. It's easier -- at least, no harder -- to flash a radio as it is to flash an OS-rom.

The fact that a radio-rom suitable for Europe (4.49.25.17)...works as well for me on the west coast of the USA and yet (reportedly) doesn't work as well for others in the USA shows that it's hard to predict what performance you're going to get with a particular radio-rom. And, maybe, it depends on what OS-rom you're running.

So, try one...or two...and see if it's good/better for you. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] motocrossmann:
When I try to flash radio 3.46.25.30 the update tool errors out with "INVALID UPDATE TOOL". What is up with that? I've flashed other radios fine?

Edit:

Strange. I got it to work by copying the *.nbh file to the customRRU.exe for radio 4.47.25.24 and deleted the existing *.nbh file and it worked fine. Oh well, got it to work!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Bacco:
Gotcha, thanks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rhfritz:
Flashing ATT on TMO

Because I figured it would be easy to undo, I did flash my TMO radio with the ATT rom. I still got GSM and Edge, but no 3G as everyone has said. But I also got fewer bars. So I reverted back to the recommended HTC radio that worked just fine.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] crachel:
I tried these radios:

4.49.25.17

4.47.25.24

4.46.25.24

All would give me about 30 seconds before the person on the other end of the line couldn't hear my voice but I could hear them clearly. Wait about 10-15 seconds (if they didn't hang up) and they could hear me again.

I was very nervous that this was actually a hardware problem, since 3 separate radios having the same issue seemed unlikely.

However, I flashed 3.46.25.30 and have had no problems. My battery life is fantastic and all voice calls have been crisp. I'm running "EnergyROM_21864_RHODIUM_28.Oct.2009_Standard" and live in North Texas.

Anxiously awaiting someone signing the .NB of 4.48.25.20 that Da_G posted so I can try the stock radio. I flashed my Tilt2 the day I got it, so I never was able to test the stock radio.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
rilphone for 4.49.25.17

Has anyone verified that when you flash to radio 4.49.25.17 that the rilphone.dll file writes to the windows Dir? I flashed this radio and my rilphone file did not update. I still have the one with the NRG Photon Rom.

I someone can verify this and provide me with the rilphone.dll file for the Rhodium 4.49.25.17 radio I would greatly appreciate it.

I am seeing a battery drain and I am wondering it is because I am not using the matching rilphone file for this radio?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
The rilphone shouln't get updated when you flash. I found it on HTCPedia and put it on my device using the driverwiz tool's of Chainfire, but I couldn't get signal with it... odd :)?

Also, what version is in NRG's ROM to start with, maybe you don't need to update?

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
I also got a rilphone.dll from HTCPedia and was told it was for 4.49.25.17 and when swapped out the dll and did a SR my phone could not get any signal then locked up. So I thought to see if anyone had one from here? I always thought when we flash the radio RUU that the rilphone file should also be copied to the phone?

When asked about the rilphone.dll file for NRG's rom, no one has answered that question. I wish we had a way to check the rilphone.dll file to see what radio it goes with.

I upgraded from the Fuze and I remember always being told to always keep the same rilphone.dll file for your radio otherwise you could run into issue with signal strength and batter drain. So I always kept a copy of it on my SD card and after a flash I replace the ROM rilphone with my radio version.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
No, the RUU cannot update the rilphone.

I'm not sure how to check version's either.

That was my only experiment, then I gave up :D.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fuze1969A:
I appreciate your help Dave.

If anyone has the Rhodium 4.49.25.17 rilphone.dll file can you share it? I know there is a Topaz version floating around and I do not think that one will work.

Dustin
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I haven't seen anyone post anything like "I have the 4.49.25.17 rilphone.dll"...so I assume that nobody has this as a separate/installable file...and yet, lots of people are using this radio.

I've used that radio for a couple of weeks -- with roms from 2 different cooks (WM6.5.1 roms from agent_47 and from NRGZ28) -- and the 4.49.25.17 works fine with all of them. Maybe the "correct" rilphone just happens to be included with those roms? Or maybe it doesn't really matter.

FWIW: my battery life seems fine with this radio, but I guess "fine" depends on your expectations. It takes a couple/few cycles with a new ROM to determine "true" battery life, doesn't it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mccune:
The 4.49.25.17 rilphone.dll is inside this thread posted by At0mang. Problem is that the radio does not work after you put the file on your device. The only way seems to add the DLL to your personal kitchen and cook the file in the ROM. At least that's what At0mang reported in this thread...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
The weird/confusing this is that At0mang wrote in Post #1 that:

"All Radio downloads will have matching rilphone.dll in seperate CAB file."

And yet, there isn't any indication of where we find the "separate CAB file".

So, you're saying that the matching rilphone.dll has been posted somewhere else in this thread? Seems odd that it wasn't linked on Post #1 with the radio-rom links... :confused:

Maybe it's supposed to be a treasure hunt... :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mccune:
You are right that the text in the first post is not correct. There are no matching rilphone files attached to all the radios. Only 4.45.xx.xx if I remember correct.

Can't say for 100% (about 99%). But I think I've found the 4.49.25.17 rilphone.dll. See attachment.

Comes from my personal Rhodium downloads..

NOTE: Don't install this if you don't know what you're doing. The file is currently not working by just placing it on your device.

Should only work if you cook it when creating a custom ROM!