yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
I agree with You, there is nothing wrong with a good project manager co-ordinating the work/development. Coders are very intelligent people but they are usually not that good at managing "bigger projects". And, if the project is big, working in teams is a big benefit! I'm not saying that all coders are like this but where I work, 90% of the coders just want to sit in a dark, quiet room and complete the tasks given.

Why is there so many people working at F-Secure when they only have "one" program? Or why does Microsoft use project managers and pay them very well?

People without a leader is just a bunch of idiots running in circles, yelling and throwing rocks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] idandush:
Friends ,

this thread also is going to be out of topic .

why not having 2 diffrent project ? and have a race ? hehehe

stop fighting , we all want damn androind on our HTC .

let everyone work on his own project , and we cya all in the end .

so to the point of this thread, how can we make this project start ? :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dangerniall:
Competition is usually a good thing, tbh i feel that developers are often their own worst enemies, either being too ambitious or overly focus'd on a single task and forgetting the big picture!

As much as i loath project managers, imagine if tux had been able to focus on coding, rather than setting up blogs, tons of priv messages and requests for updates all the time... things might have been different

tbh this is the first i've heard of the htc-linux lot, the availabity of chat logs is interesting, perhaps the best thing for us would have been a blackstone community rep feeding back info from the devs?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
Hmm, if everyone works on his own project, everybody is just inventing the wheel all over again.

That is the whole point with a person co-ordinating the work. You have a project and divide the project into different tasks that are given to the developers who work the problem/s. When all these smaller tasks are completed, you should have a working product.

Basically this does not need one person co-ordinating the work. If the developers can by them selves agree and share the tasks (read: if you work on this problem, I will work on that problem. When Ian is done working the last problem, we should be good to do some testing).

Perhaps off topic but isn't HTC soon to release another Android device that uses more similar HW as Touch HD?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LeeDroid:
I have gotten my self a Hero (got impatient) but I love my HD and have not, as of yet, poped a new housing on it and threw it on ebay.... It would be fantastic to see Android on the HD and it may even sway me to Ebay the Hero!..

I will do all I can to help, getting pretty farmiliar with Android now and oh is it an awsome platform! :D

I aint no expert, lets just hope we can get some good Devs on line!, Think the Wiki is the first thing to Update guys!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] shingers5:
even the old htc niki has got a fully functional hero port. things in this forum for blackstone seems worlds behind
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
I wasnt going to get involved but you are spot on Nizzon, the guy just has the ability to hit the nerve. Tuxhero you still manage to aggrevate people with your abrasive attitude. I would question even the title of being a developer without bringing very much to the table. Please if you want to contribute anything please share your code - you have provided little if anything to this project but taken donations, I know you are still active in the IRC forums and you talk a lot but it you want to talk the talk then walk the walk for us please, you just come on here and provide nothing but negativity and you certainly cannot take advice or help or constructive comments without going on the attack.

Anyway, as you ignore my messages to share your code and you took money without actually doing anything perhaps you can contribute to the project in terms of your code development which I intend to be fully open source and so should you. I do NOT want a single penny for myself and everything should go to the developers for the work they do. I am currently arranging $300 of my own funds (well my Company's actually) to part fund a handset for Dzo as well as raising further capital where he is also putting up a similar amount towards it, and I am looking at bringing onboard the other guys who have done a lot of userspace work and GPS driver development for the Vogue but sourcing 2 x further Blackstones is somewhat costly and problematic. Nobody needs to hear constant negative comments from you, time to stop that and work together to bring this to our HTC devices. Please dont clutter this thread with the nonsense of the other one.

I hope to bring things over to linuxtogo repo where the vogue developers and others already have accounts and once again the aim is for OPEN development. The developers I want to bring onboard do have all the MSM7201a documentation and the version of amss the blackstone runs is very similar to that in the G1 so we can be fairly confident to get at least basic functionality (networking, audio & phone) working well.Seeing some of the comments here I wonder if its all worth the hassle, all Im trying to do is help here and putting up my own money to fund this project for the good of the community.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
Thats all very well but you please tell me a couple of developers with experience of building a fully working kernel to an HTC device that also have a Blackstone handset to work with? Part of my aim is to pull in capital to provide this to the developers and I am already on the way to doing that through my own company's sponsorship and raising external capital - if people want to donate fine, if not until a fully working kernel is built then also fine - no sweat.

If you dont need me then fine, lets wait another 12 months for some pony to take your money and provide nothing on the table.

Good luck.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
Listen, if you look at the work already carried out porting Android fully to vogue as an example then there is a classic example of open development taking place and thats the sort of thing we should be looking to stimulate. Im doing everything I can to engage those developers who dont just talk a good game but produce the goods, some developers just hover around taking money and providing nothing.

You can loathe me thats ok, im fine with that but as I am investing my own money into this and trying to get the developers who I believe will get this port to our device and fully functional please give me some karma man.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
Well lets face it Tux its not friendly advice really its just your usual nonsense again.

How i get the Vogue developers into this project is my business, but it usually helps to talk to them and find out what they need to start a project - give the developers the tools for the job and you usually find that things start moving - if you had used any of the funds people gave you to give to the developers so that they are in a position to work on this project (perhaps they did not have a device to work with - usually helps) then you might have got somewhere.

Patp I agree with your thread in terms of moving forward long term and an overall approach moving forward, hopegfully as projects to develop the kernels on these devices disseminate information and developers make inroads with the open source approach this is more than realistic.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
Well good luck in your exclusive little non-shared world of development mate. Why bother closing your thread then and leave everybody in the lurch for a tea break?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
your companies money? 300€ or maybe 1000€ for a maybe commercial project is a pretty cheap deal, isn't it? I had to puke on this thought.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
He isn't saying that he owns Microsoft or similar sized company does he? I know how much money that can be for a company. Had a company once and my monthly salary was about 700€ (of which 70% of the salary went to renting a place to live..) when doing 14h working days.

If you have plenty of money, that is good. But it does not mean that everyone are financially as lucky as you.

Also I do not believe that the creator of this thread is into this project for the money (?) or the fame, just for the love of Android on his mobile phone. Correct me if I'm wrong.. Besides, there are 100 better ideas of trying to making money than to try to get Android running on Blackstone (which is already an 'old phone').
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
I only know two persons who could join developing, I have asked both of them. The other of them is thinking about it and the other said 'no thanks, I have better things to do..'.

My intentions was only to try to help. I now understand that you are capable of running this without any help from my side.

I wish you all the best with this project and I apologize if I hurted your feelings in any way!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KlausFindus:
I have the impression that some "non developer folks" have the ability to kill this thread as well before it starts. Therefore I would suggest to concentrate on topics which are important for the success of this project (mainly PM). If you don't agree with sangreals approach please look for somehing else (you may want to join Tuxhero)

but please don't flood this thread with useless messages.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
/me is interested in this project. Subscribing.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
2 threads, both have same goal. Can we not combine efforts into one thread and close the other? Just a thought ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=524898
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KlausFindus:
No makes no sense. This one is an open development thread - The other is a private thread of a single developer with a different goal.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Well thankyou for correcting me 'so politely'. Yes, maybe there has been a bit of past history which I was not aware of regarding this issue. But surely the goal of both threads is to create a fully functional Android operating system on the HD, no?

I'm going to keep an eye on these 2 threads and I hope to see no further arguments, tit-for-tat or childish behaviour. If I see fit that this isn't happening, one of these threads will be closed. Consider this a warning.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cluclu:
then, merge these two threads, FS

i'm kidding .. heeh :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
WTF, is the other thread open again? It was closed the other day or am I dreaming..?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Yes, is this a joke or what?

I dont know what the hell tuhxero is trying to achieve by doing this.

Why didnt he keep his own dedicated webpage open instead? :confused:

Lets just hope they can coexist.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
Nixzzon, jag tror han öppnar sidan igen. Åtminstone har all reklam tagits bort..? Känner väl sig 'hotad' när någon annan tagit upp samma projekt.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
As stated in my previous post, try and keep this on topic. No further posts on other thread

Ta

Rick
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanMccoy1:
From now, can we please try and stay on topic with useful comments.

i think im one of the only people that are reading past the 'tuxhero' of the posts (ie just reading his name then disagreeing with his post) he has made his point, everyone else has managed to without being flamed so neither should tux, his old topic is finished now so lets start this one new. everyone has doubted tux's abilities (which is very reasonable as there isnt much to show) but after watching his androidkernel site for a few weeks he seems to know what he's on about and is probably slowly progressing.

if you dont know how long this sort of thing takes then please dont flame people (i for one have no idea how long it would take to accomplish these things therefore i keep an open mind)

if tux would like to post any sort of information that could be posted to let people try and help develop this further then im sure everyone in this community would appreaciate it, but i for one wouldnt have posted anything either if i was being flamed for everything i did.

so what im saying is, lets give tux a chance to see if he can offer anything. and any post that could further this project or offer discussion about it (on this project)

please feel free to post, but can we please stop with the off topic posts and flaming for peoples opinions.

-Dan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanMccoy1:
There we go, told you not to give up on tux, shall update yous again in the near future.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
Yes, it seems like TuxHero is working his project. It is a shame that nobody "can help" him because there is so much to do.

Anyhow, I hope he is able to make it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lunakirb:
2 treads one goal..:confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
this thread seems a bit quiet. Do we assume there has been no luck contacting the vogue guys?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
I assume his head exploaded when he saw tux reopening his thread again, I dont blaim him.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
Please refine this topic...

What I see this thread is only related to fund rasing (the very initial one from author's company) but never had any technical views on the kernel development.

On the other hand, they may want to set up a funding scheme to support other projects... my 2 cents.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] idandush:
things takes time :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] debsid:
HTC HD2 628MHz

HTC

may

have beaten everyone at building Android for the HD. (Well of course they have the team & money)

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/09/04/htc_touch_hd_update/
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
I am not sure of what you are saying.. but the news is for HD2, not HD.

so ???
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tids2k:
keep the discussion to android please !!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] snyfer:
hi!

does anyone have the same problem, that the volume in the ear piece (the one you are using when you are normaly taking a call and

hold the device to your ear) of the TP2 is pretty loud even on the lowest level?

:confused:

snyfer
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] freaknormel:
Does your headset have volume buttons on itsself ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] snyfer:
i mean the loudspeaker at the front of the HTC Touch pro 2 the one you are using when you are normaly taking a call and

hold the device to your ear ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] anvigos:
Yes, same issue on car bluetooth - too loud, TP2 BT output level is too high. I can reduce volume in car, but sound still remains a bit distorted. Not so cool but I can live with it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] snyfer:
sorry but I do not meant a bluetooth device :) - possibly there is

a better wording for that?
[Hero, G2 Touch General] roakes:
Hey all,

Just need some clarification over the whole google contacts syncing, I am currently using Google contacts exclusively rather than SIM/Phone contacts but I've found that sometimes the phone doesn't always reflect what's on Google and vice versa.

For example I created a new group on my phone of 22 contacts then when it synced with google the group appeared but only 8 contacts in it, then when I went back to my phone the group on my phone had been reduced to 8 too!

Now while typing this I seem to have just lost all contacts on my phone, they are all still on google and I have tried syncing a few times and rebooting but it's just not working.

Any ideas? It's a little worrying and at the moment downright annoying.

Thanks

Russ
[Hero, G2 Touch General] nicelad_uk:
Do they all have a phone number in them? I only ask as I noticed that contacts with no phone number showed in a different area
[Hero, G2 Touch General] roakes:
Yeah they all had numbers. I have sorted it out now by doing a factory reset...not an ideal solution though, lets hope its a bug thats sorted out in the next firmware release
[General Questions and Answers] 66mustang:
With the advent of iPhone (love or hate), and Android devices the broadcast media seem to be touting this technology as new, ignoring that us faithful WinMo users have been creating, downloading and using 'apps' and generally customising our phones for years.

I never hear of new releases for WinMo, but plenty about iPhone and increasingly Android - I'm thinking Spotify client and the new actual reality stuff where data is superimposed on the camera view; but there are many others.

I know there's loads of us out there, and we tend to look after ourselves, but the mainstream appears to be shunning the WM operating system.

I'd pay for a Spotify client, a WM version of Dynolicious, and I'm quite excited about actual reality, but I'm fast thinking WM is a dead technology.
[General Questions and Answers] Phen0m:
So if we refute that, and laud the benefits of winmo.. will that reaffirm your belief in this mobile o/s?

Always dangerous letting others dictate whats relevant to your world.
[General Questions and Answers] hdbueller:
IMHO, the reason that you hear more regarding the other o/s's is that they are newer and have much less testing and use than winmo does, not to mention less apps as well as more more problems and issues! Each time a new version of winmo comes out, we have to deal with the same types of problems, but as it is a more developed platform, it does not take as long to work out the bugs.

A good example here is when MS created that p.o.s system known as Vista! It was JUNK! Then over time, it got a bit better, but MS finally got smart and gave up on fixing it's many issues and has now developed Win 7.

Later............
[General Questions and Answers] 66mustang:
What a rediculous argument. I know WM is the best mobile OS, but then Betamax was the best video system.

I'm not talking about what's important for me, I'm talking about what people see as available - WM gets no mainstream media coverage, no-one goes into shops asking for it (just try going into an O2 shop or Carphone Warehouse and attempting to get an informed conversation from the sales staff about any WM device) and then we get a snowball effect where none of the 'killer' apps are being devloped for it - all efforts are being made towards the iPhone because it's sexy, WM is much better, more flexible, but ultimately nerdy (not that the general public even know it exists).

Maybe it'll remain as the business class mobile OS, which I'll be happy with as there's always the skilled people on here and similar sites to keep the software coming. Thanks guys.
[General Questions and Answers] theomni:
I think one of the main reasons why WinMo is being left behind is because other people are intimidated by it. iPhone and Android are more user friendly with less things to worry about. Whenever I suggested a WinMo phone to my friends, they always say something along the lines of "I don't want to get stuck with a bunch of problems"

I will say, that it does take some kind of persistance and knowledge of how this OS works in order to be able to fiddle around with it. In the mean time, I guess android and iPhone are the "go-to" devices for people who want something easy to start with.

I honestly would never choose an iPhone, and I've never used an Android, so I wouldn't know how closely Android resembles WinMo.
[General Questions and Answers] TheBrit:
While the iPhone 3GS is becoming what the iPhone should have been in the first place - I would never get an iPhone either for all the familiar reasons. The iPhone's main UI is an icon fest. I'd like to seem more information on the home screen. Also, the control freakery of Apple when it comes to what apps are allowed to run is unacceptable to me.

Android on the other hand is leaving WM completely behind. The HTC Hero is just amazing. It makes WinMo look very clunky indeed. You have the power, flexibilty and openness of the WM platform, with almost the polish and usability of the iPhone platform - but with multi-tasking.

What's worse is that this does not have to be the case. PointUI shows what's possible with existing WM technology but for some reason M$ hasn't gone there up to now.

I have not seen WM6.5 or WM7 yet so I can't comment on how they are addressing the issue in these new versions.
[General Questions and Answers] style1:
Android need a while longer to mature. But at this moment it seems like Android is the new windows mobile. Customizable, opensource, HTC, app store, its like the bastard step child of what would happen if the IPHONE and WINMO had a one night stand. That said, I don't feel like Winmo is being left behind. You only need to look at the Samsung who makes phones for everyone but the Omnia was its "THE PHONE" and it ran on windows. HTC will not abandon windows, look at the anticipation for TD2 TP2. Toshiba is getting into the fray. Nvidia will soon be throwing some love into windows (based upon the look of the Zune HD, we could be in for some fun). Lets be honest, the phone market is Winmo'd out. Every brand except Nokia is cranking out phones and its an oversaturated market. Which is why its hard for any particular brand to make a big splash unless they innovate, innovation will push this market foward. This is an exciting time to have windows.

However, i do believe the problem is this, hardware. Clearly Winmo is a huge system to carry. Simple things need to disappear..huge load times, massive lag. These things make our devices, no matter how current the software is, seem ancient. This is up to M$ to fix, and for developer (HTC) to start addressing by using proper hardware...I'm tired of having underpowered devices, I'm tired of key things missing, companies need to step up to the plate. I applaud Toshiba for loading the TG01 to the teeth with hardware, but am disappointed in them letting a 5 year old design their interface. Like it or love it....this is where we sit. I wouldn't trade it for any other OS.
[General Questions and Answers] 66mustang:
I think you're right when you say that every man and his dog are knocking out winmo phones - how many X1 users are aware that behind their panels is WM? It's not a must have for the average punter, at least not like the iPhone, that is just lovely to look at, but that's where it ends for me. When their adverts brag that you can cut and paste - to me that's the measure of the device. I would have been gutted if I'd got one and found it wouldn't do the simplest of tasks - almost like making a Walkman with no headphone socket; pointless.

I've no experience of Android, so i can't comment, but it appears to be going where WM should be.

I just wish that the mainstream media were a little more informed about WM and it's benefits, not least the adaptability and flexibility and the years of experience that is available.