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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] thinkdifferent:
Hi,

I'm really in the dark about these things, but I'm about to purchase an unlocked diamond.

Will it support the ATT 3g band?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Rudegar:
believe it support att as the iphone works in the rest of the world too with 3g

so att must be using the same bands as the rest of the world
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] lude219:
If you purchased a European version then no, you wont get ATT 3g.

If you purchased a US version then yes, it does. Make sure to check the spec sheet when you buy and see if the band 850mhz/1900mhz is listed under 3G.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] thinkdifferent:
Yes, 850 and 1900 mhz are supported.

That is the answer I was looking for.

Is there a definitive way to tell if the phone is a US version or a European version based on the IMEI or anything on that info sticker in the battery compartment>?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] CorneliusCrisco:
Why not get a Sprint Diamond?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] thinkdifferent:
My university subsidizes the ATT plans...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tzour:
The least expensive as I found, with "USA Version" clearly marked:

http://www.smggsm.com/htc-p3700-touch-usa-3g-diamond-unlocked-tri-band-phone.html
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] Humblehippie:
This Webpage is Wrong! This link shows a P3700 & states that it operates on UMTS 850 & 1900. PDADB.net states that the P3700 {AKA DIAM100} operates @ UMTS 900 & 2100. The US version is the DIAM110 & operates on the 850 & 1900 UMTS bands. check the comparisons:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1311&view=1&c=htc_touch_diamond_p3700_htc_diamond_100
[G1 General] JVoo:
I have a problem with connecting G1 to my router SparkLAN WRTR-142. The only way to connect with it is disabling Power Save for the WiFi module.

Unfortunately in G1 there's no such option... so I'm connected and I see signal strength but internet simply doesn't work.

Is there any solution to disable Power Saving?

p.s. sorry for my english ;)
[Touch HD General] Dilinja:
I've got to say I love my HD. Almost everything about it... The big let down for me is the camera. I can get some fantastic shots out in the open during the day. But go inside and introduce people to shot and its a crock of ****. I've got the topaz cam cab installed but it makes little difference. Nearly all pictures of my kids come out blurry.

So, I've started looking around for what to get next. Sadly, at the moment, I dont seem to be able to find anything that comes close to my expectations. That Toshiba TG01 sounds good, but I hate the look of it. I like the look of the HTC Hero, but reviews let it down, saying its essentially a magic with a style upgrade.

What are other people considering after their Touch HD's?
[Touch HD General] Spartoi:
The Omnia II looks like a great phone and would be the phone I would upgrade to, but since its not a HTC phone it gets no XDA support which could be a big blow (is for me). If your okay with that, I'd recommended the Omnia II.
[Touch HD General] Ethania:
It feels as if we have come to the end of the road whit the Blackstone,

yet there is nothing new at the horison.

The next thing I expect from a phone is multitouch, still only iPhone

has that to offer. Isnt that strange?

Basicly Id like a HTC Hero whit better hardware, multitouch and something new...

Read about nVidia haveing a new better chipset and prosessor.

When will that hit the market?
[Touch HD General] Dilinja:
I agree with you KB, lack of XDA support is a big no no for me as well.

Ethania, pardon me being a newb, but what defines a multitouch device?

Which current HTC product has the best camera?
[Touch HD General] matt_not_andrew:
I'm looking for something with mindows mo/symbian, better camera with flash, no bigger than the touch hd and lots of programs to play with.

Currently looking at the Omnia 2, Omnia HD, N97/86 or waiting for HTC to make a phone with a decent camera. I played with a mates SE C905 yesterday and I could see myself going for the Omnia 2 or Omnia HD for the camera - miles better than anything on a HTC device.
[Touch HD General] Ethania:
I would say:

A device which tracks more than one point on the screen simultaniously.

How does that sound? Maybe Im forgetting some important technical term,

but for us mortals, I think this is enough ;)
[Touch HD General] danb79:
i wish id held out for an n97 having been a nokia man for years naturally i wanted a n97 but im on o2 and they dont want to sell it because here in the uk that's who you get an iphone with, so i got a touch hd and im deeply disappointed no 3d graphics, crap camera, no native networking/file sharing support, slow wifi transfer speeds, crap video playback, poor music player all things i could do out of the box without hasstle on my old 1st gen n95! not to mention its SLOW!!!

i shouldn't have to hack n mod my phone to make it work reasonably

touch hd for sale 2 months old good as new !!lol!!

sorry if im ranting just for my first winmob im not impressed :mad:
[Touch HD General] Spartoi:
If you don't mind waiting, the HTC Firestone/Leo is suppose to come this year and is supposed to be the successor to the BlackStone/HD. I think it upgrades all of the hardware.
[Touch HD General] kevin666:
www.zii.com
[Touch HD General] salv90:
Looks good, but what the hell?

Can u put win mob on it? Is it android only?
[Touch HD General] Dilinja:
I thought the Zii Plaszma was just a media player? like an ipod touch, so no phone...
[Touch HD General] Dilinja:
Thank you Killer Bee, this is exactly what Im looking for :):)

Hopefully the camera will be better in low light situs than the touch HDs cam.

The Leo looks effing brilliant :D
[Touch HD General] forumx:
I like the Omnia 2 but couldn't stand the dangling stylus! Why can't they build it into the device!

I like the HTC design but is disappointed with its quality. My HD has to go back to service twice and the service centre is in another state so the turnaround is slow.

After sales service is important for me and I understand there is a Samsung walk-in service centre here in Sydney Australia.
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
The NEXT PHONE...

Sony Ericsson Xperia X3 (Rachael)...
[Touch HD General] Dilinja:
Excellent :) Now I have two to choose from when they arrive, the X3 and the Leo :D:D

To be fair Ive always got on well with Sonys. The cameras are always tip top on them.
[Touch HD General] matt_not_andrew:
walkin service sounds like a winner - I like the fact that there are many SE ad Nokia centres around the UK but I'm yet to see a drop in HTC one - although their base is in Milton Keynes which is in the next county - still too far and too many annoying roundabouts!
[Touch HD General] Step666:
The Zii isn't a phone though.
[Touch HD General] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
did a quick research and I think there are three or maybe 4 devices to wait for -- SE X2 , SE X3 , HTC Leo -- theyre all almost equal by spec except Leo has more ram (screen size doesnt count :D ) the fourth device (60% that Im wrong) could be the rumored HTC device with Nvidia chipset-- I have a big "I dont know or Im confused" about that device, cuz maybe its the Leo with the chipset!!!

BTW: what happened to those

rumors

about microsoft phone with tegra?? :)
[Touch HD General] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
sorry - double post - some connection issues! :D
[Touch HD General] Step666:
They were just that, rumours.

The upcoming Zune HD will use the Tegra chipset but, like the Zii that was linked-to on the previous page, it's just a media player.
[Touch HD General] PRAP:
I would probably buy an iPhone 3G S.

But I am still happy with my Touch HD
[Touch HD General] Step666:
Hate iTunes, so that's a no-no.
[Touch HD General] bogdatov:
I like HTC Leo specs. But by the time I get tired of my HD (I guess in couple years) there will be next round of phones.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
It's surprising, there really isn't anything.

Obvious improvements are Snapdragon, more open graphics acceleration and the camera, but everything else is fine. Keep the form factor please, or even make the bezel a touch smaller, and the unit a little thinner, but that's not critical.

To be honest, I think we're reaching the point where in terms of form factor there isn't going to be much difference between a lot of touch screen phones. 4" is about as big as you can go for mainstream, there's no point beyond 800*480 at that size, then it's all just about how small the bezel and buttons are. This looks a little like the end of the evolution of this type of phone, which started years ago with the Magician (and when I got that, the Touch HD was exactly how I imagined it'd end up).
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
At present there is nothing out there that impresses me enough to leave the HD. I'm hoping that the last quarter of 2009 & 2010 will bring something special. Obviously what matters most is whats underneath the shell, i.e. OS, speed, processors etc and well as the touch interface on screen we use. There is a lot of things which could be improved on in the HD, basics like camera, hardware/joystick buttons etc etc etc. We've heard it all before. But nothing has come along which has really stepped it up a gear. Even new phones coming out still use basic 3.2MP cameras.....what is even the point in it?

Until I'm impressed and not moving!
[Touch HD General] Ethania:
Leo, if it has multitouch would be awsome.

But the Tegra chipset seams to be what sets the standard.

Snapdragon doesnt sound that modern...
[Touch HD General] arfster:
That's deliberate for many - more megapixels at this size of sensor just adds noise, which then have to be denoised and you end up with a lower quality pic.
[Touch HD General] ghosty_uk:
im locked into my contract with orange on a touch hd for 2 years from the end of april start of may time, so the only way ill be upgrading is it i buy it outright. but as said b4 in april/may of 2011 there will be newer better phones about.

and whats wrong with the spped of the HD i dont seem to have any issues,
[Touch HD General] Spartoi:
Why do you hate iTunes?? I think its a great music player.
[Touch HD General] Timbojames:
Everybody is talking like the Tegra is such a great SoC, which I don't understand.

It has an dated ARM11 processor on it. Why couldn't they put an cortex a8 processor on it in combination with the 7 other cores?

And the snapdragon would be running circles around the tegra.
[Touch HD General] Toss3:
The reason why I'd pick the ARM11+Tegra combination is because of the better battery life, better media playback(decent drivers!), better game performance(again thanks to the better drivers) and because of the hardware accelerated flash support(watching HD youtube clips would be nice). :)
[Touch HD General] matthew1471:
I'll be going to an Android phone I think.

Fortunately, I managed to get out of my 18 month Orange contract, so until something comes along, I'm going to keep flashing my HD with new roms...
[Touch HD General] shok4e:
maybe Nokia N900....
[Touch HD General] barbapappa_86:
I´ll go for an HTC Leo when it arrives. As for now i stick with my HD. :)
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
I'm probably going down this same route, though I may wait to see which direction a few chef's go!! ;)
[Touch HD General] badasschris:
+1 for n900, my next phone needs a keypad plus the ui looks a lot more responsive than wm, maybe my phone after my next phone will be wm again thats assuming 1) windows mobile 7 is actually good 2) the phone has a keypad capacitive screen and a whighty processor.
[Touch HD General] samusalo:
+1 definitely for N900.

edit: Although, I've had the Blackstone only a year now, so there are propably many new models out, after a year from now when I propably going to change next time. But if I would about to change now, it would be the N900
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
I don't see any need to change my device any time soon. I'm quite happy to sit back and see what comes out in the future and then make an educated decision based on my needs, feedback and reviews by other users. IMO there is nothing at present which would make me change my phone anytime soon anyhow!
[Touch HD General] betitomiller:
HTC Leo.!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch HD General] SingaporeAirlines:
HTC Leo - even though my contract is 24 months on the Touch HD.
[Touch HD General] JRK-Scope:
At this moment I would go for something with a keyboard, so either the TP2 or the OmniaPro, both fantastic devices. In the long term, a more mature Android device probably.
[Touch HD General] ez2remember:
I''m going for the N900 mainly because it's out 1st October.

http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/

HTC Leo looks good too.
[Touch HD General] mets3214:
to take better shots indoors i put the white balance on the lightbulb sign inside. its a big difference. i recommend the touch pro 2 if you wanna upgrade. i just got the touch hd so im not gonna upgrade for a while.. the omnia 2 is nice but xda only follows htc devices. just w8 for the htc leo, which is the new version of the touch hd
[Touch HD General] harondaddy:
How about the HTC Thoth 100?

4.8" screen and it has video out function!

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1785&view=1&c=htc_thoth_100
[Touch HD General] ArtieQ:
The TP2 got TV-Out too :-P
[Touch HD General] Mike1988:
N900 is my device after the Touch HD :)
[Touch HD General] Step666:
I expect naught but derision for daring to admit this but I bought a Samsung Jet today which may well end up replacing my Touch HD.

I find myself annoyed by the HD quite a bit and, really, all I need is a phone that will give me web and e-mail access - gone are the days when that meant you needed a smartphone.

The Jet is actually really quick, really snappy which is nice and that AMOLED WVGA screen is the mutt's nuts.

In the long run though, I would imagine I'd end up going for an Android handset - quite possibly the SE Rachael/X3, depending on whether the release coincides nicely with my contract renewal.
[Touch HD General] Cokey:
ACtually, Im thinking of going iPhone 3GS.. I know its not liked in here but anyway.. Imo, I cant do anything more with My HD and am a Bit tired of that tbh.. Wanna try something new for me.. Might go for a N900 after but Im not sure...
[Touch HD General] Step666:
The iPhone is a decent enough handset, no matter what some people might say.

You just have to be aware of what you're letting yourself in for, same as with any other phone.

Personally, the poor camera, extortionate prices and the requirement to use iTunes are enough to put me off but, apart from that, I personally can see very little that's wrong with it.

Of course my objections are all based on personal preference, so you may not feel that the points that put me off of the handset are negative aspects.
[Touch HD General] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
I also sometimes have thoughts about getting a Iphone 3GS--- I also hate all the Itunes Bulls**t, but I miss all the entertainment possibilities on HD , which are avaiable on 3GS!!!

I wonder if HTC Touch HD would have the same number of devs as the Iphone 3GS, would we get all the uber apps and will the world start turning the other way??? :D :D
[Touch HD General] Cokey:
Actually, the camera quality seems to be better then the HD. Atleast my HD. And yes, I dont like itunes either it seems like crap. But all the applications, the entertainment, all the talk about iphone makes me atleast wanna try one?!!
[Touch HD General] idandush:
actualy ,

after playing with the ipod of a friend , i have decided i made a mistake with the HD .

i really suffer in a daily basic usage when i need to answer a call - its not smooth .

nothing close to that actualy .

if it was something i spend 5 bucks on it , than ok , but its an expensive device , and its not worth the price .

i am selling my HD ! , who wants it ? anyone ? :)
[Touch HD General] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
Why?? When youll get the Iphone youll be dissapointed also!! my friend who got a Iphone 3G (got it for ending 9th grade) - even he says that the iphone has some lags and some problems-- He was trying for a half day to get some music in it (cuz Itunes doesnt work on x64 windows- he said that) and the Iphone lags for him doing some everyday stuff in which my HD managed to go without any lag (of course with a custom rom)!!! Iphone is a great device if youre upgrading from a device without a touchscreen or some older symbian phones even N95!! BUT upgrading to a Iphone from a Htc Touch HD would be like a downgrade!! Of course my opinion is bassed on a Iphone 3G not 3GS( maybe 3GS will be a lot faster and much easier to use because of the 3.0 software) But still I dont think that its worth giving up Touch HD for a Iphone 3G or 3GS !!

just wait for a new Winmo device like HTC Leo or android device - SE X3 !! :)
[Touch HD General] Step666:
Well, the HD isn't the best choice of comparison - HTC seem to put very little effort into their cameras.

But if you compare the camera of the iPhone to smartphone offerings from Nokia, Samsung, SE etc then it's really quite poor.

There's no way of saying that for certain - everyone's needs and preferences are different.

There are unofficial XP x64-compatible builds available from PlanetAMD.

Anyway, Apple not supporting XP x64 isn't half as poor as MS not producing a version of MSN messenger that will work on it - it's MS's own OS!

The 3GS is quicker but not because of the software (for the record, it's possible to upgrade the 3G and even the original iPhone to version 3.0). It's faster due to a faster processor and twice the RAM of the 3G.

Now that is a good idea.

In cease anyone else is dumb enough to be considering it, don't get the Samsung Jet.

Sure, it's quick, has a gorgeous screen and the camera is better than the HD's but it has a battery life just about long enough for it to start up and shut down again and the OS is too child-like after using WinMo.
[Touch HD General] Cokey:
Anyways, just put my phone out on Tradera (ebay) so we will see what to get.. Will defo come back to HTC in the near future.. Maybee Leo/Firestone?
[Touch HD General] Graeme:
Whatever I get next I will be more careful with my choice. I am stuck with the HD for 24 months so there will be plenty of time to make a good choice.

I have tried different roms and tweaks but it is just a disapointment. The camera is rubbish, what's with the huge delay between pressing the button and taking the picture? It is too quiet to hear the directions from TomTom, first one went back as I thought it was a fault, turns out it's a feature.

Unimpressed, I bought it because I loved the Tytn and thought this was going to be a fast Tytn with a a big screen. It's not even close.
[Touch HD General] newuser888:
My cousin is using Vista 64 bits. There is an iTune for that. She loves the iTune. Whenever she uses her computer, she plays from her music library, which is extremely well organised with iTune. Every song has the right Album Artwork, Authors are never duplicated with slightly different names. In short, it is perfect. So is her video collection. All her Apple Store applications (Some are hacked, FOC software though) could be synced to up to 5 iPhones without additional charge by Apple. So, with iTune, her TomTom, Navigon, Copilot, iGO, Sygic (she has all of them), bought just once, is legally useable for her sister's and brother's iPhones too. iTune is the easiest way to do regular data backup to them. It allows them to easily replicate the applications and data from one phone to another (which she did when her phone was replaced during the warranty period recently).

The ability to preview musics, videos is another attraction of iTune.

They think iTune is the best things for them and is one of the strongest points for going iPhone.
[Touch HD General] Step666:
You don't need iTunes, or any other library-based media player, to organise your music, you just need a bit of common sense.
[Touch HD General] newuser888:
True, but with iTune, it is a lot easier to fix up stuffs. My cousin told me that with WMP, her music collection was always in a big mess. She only got that tidied up with iTune because it was so easy and fun to use.
[Touch HD General] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
daaaeem!!! after listening to that stuff about itunes - Im starting to think - maybe its time to get rid of WMP and go Itunes!!! :D

BTW does itunes support Touch HD or any other media?storage device like memory card?!!
[Touch HD General] salooo:
guys can u guid me ..:D which cell shoul i bought? i have only two options 1) tytn 2

2) touch hd??

some folks say that tytn 2 is faster and having good quality of camera and qwerty key board?

what u thing i have to buy tomorow pls guide me:P
[Touch HD General] D'rath:
If the options are only Tytn 2 or HD:

1- Tytn 2 if you use a lot QWERTY to write

2- HD for all other works ^^

D'rath
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
Tytn 2 is a heavy and fat brick. My current set up is an E71 (best all around phone) with a touch HD also. But I could probably survive with just the E71.
[Touch HD General] salooo:
thanks D'rath ..:P

but which one is faster i think hd bcz it has 528 mhz but tytn2 has 400mhz and in some programes and applications tytn2 is faster..

just say the name of model bcz tonight i am going to buy .. there is 10,000 rs diference btween hd and tytn 2
[Touch HD General] Xeon:
Nokia N900 is going to be the future of Internet tablets. I adore my HD but when I got the N900, it was like there is no way you can compare.

Time for Microsoft to upgrade the Windows Mobile OS.
[Touch HD General] viasat:
Yep,after HTC HD ,I'll buy for sure the N900.in my humble opinion,open source software will atract a bunch of people tu buy this new gadget.

Cheers
[Touch HD General] vangrieg:
If you are like this cousin of yours, then of course iWhatever is for you. If you use Apple's products the way they were designed to be used you're fine. If, however, your usage pattern differs a bit you're screwed.

I once made a huge mistake of buying an iPod with the intention to make it a source of music playing at home (not because I liked it but because only the iPod had the right accessories). Fine, but I happened to be a bit different than most iPod users - my music collection is on a NAS RAID server (I got rid of my CDs aeons ago), and iTunes can't be installed there. I installed this piece of garbage on a PC and you know how long it took it to write 20 gigabytes of music to the iPod? 96 hours. And when I wanted to add an album it took another 96 hours. Because this crapware just can't work efficiently with thousands of files over the network. Sure, 99.9% of blondes and housewives will store their music on their pink VAIOs or Macbooks, so why bother optimizing code for geeks like myself?

Artwork in iTunes? Haha. Yes, you can get artwork automatically downloaded. If you have an account with their crap store, that is. I tried to get it, and you know what? It turned out Apple only accepts credit cards from a nandful of countries for signing up! And there's no other freakin' way to add artwork. So yes, if you are a chosen one you have it nicely organized. Otherwise you're screwed, as usual. Sure, you can fool the stupid thing. I did that. Only to find out that it writes artwork images into the mp3 files! Imagine this with 20 gigs of mp3 files over the network again.

I may be unhappy with a lot of things in Touch HD but at least I'm using it everyday as opposed to this brick "Designed by Apple in California not for smartass geeks who know better than storing music on their laptops".

Sure, for somebody who can't spend 5 minutes googling for a solution that'll organize their music iStuff is a blessing. If you're sure you won't be different from the typical oh-this-is-so-cool-its-from-apple-iphone-makes-me-so-unique blondie type then go and get it. If you suspect your usage pattern may be different then don't rush and do some research before you buy anything from this company.
[Touch HD General] BerreZ:
HD android

I would only be interested in a HD with a snapdragon cpu and Android OS.
[Touch HD General] Step666:
Way ahead of you.
[Touch HD General] vangrieg:
And how exactly is Android going to help you?
[Touch HD General] Step666:
What are you on about?