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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] doublecheese:
Yes for that reason you cant say this radio is faster.

Imagine 1 radio has 2 signal bars in 3G and the other one 4 signal bars in Edge, then ofcourse the one in 3G would be faster but even my 4 year old daughter knows that too.

Imagine both radios have 3 bars in 3G at the same location, then according to your logic .95 would be faster ,but in reality its just a myth.

radio has nothing to do with your download speed. That is totally dependant on your carrier's ability. But because of radio you might get better mobile coverage and reception as well as a better wifi reception and gps reception.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] talon4x4:
Better reception should translate into better speeds, regardless of carrier's ability.

For example, lets say on the older f/w your 3g coverage in one particular spot was 1 bar, so your speed was 300mbps. With the new f/w you are now getting 3 bars in that same location and because of that increased reception you are now able to achieve speeds of 600mbps. Sure the carrier's ability will limit your max speed but if your reception is better your internet speed should be as well.

You say its a myth but my internet seems to work much faster when I have 4 bars instead of just 1.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that is how people are comparing speed from one f/w to another.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
When picking an extreme example (1 vs 4 bars) you can prove lots of stuff that's not true in general.

Make the same comparison between 4 bars and 2 bars, or 4 bars and 3 bars. Is 4 bars faster than 3 bars? No, it's not.

So saying "better reception = faster data" is not true in general.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] XERO_Racer:
please speak english in this forum

thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] gelt_0:
ok, sorry, but the question asked was for someone from Mexico, then the language of response was preferably in Spanish
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Benchmarking tool

I've been using a tool called Dr SigStat to help give me a more objective measure of signal strength. The program's development has unfortunately been discontinued, but it does the job of measuring battery and signal strength quite well. The program has a useful 'average' reading, so say if you left the phone in one place for an hour, you can compare this reading after you've flashed another radio version.

Of course there are other considerations for what a radio package does, apart from signal strength, but this might be another useful way of benchmarking (in addition to data download speeds).

The download from ppcgeeks is a zip file. You'll need to transfer it to your phone and assign your own shortcut to it.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=69973
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Cool. I installed it (that is, I copied it to my phone -- there's no installation, per se) and it seems to be working...though with some oddities.

A downside, possible flaw in interpreting the "Signal Average" reading, is that if you're in an area where it might switch from 3G to EDGE -- which is how it is inside my house -- the average doesn't distinguish. That is, I have a 100% signal with EDGE, but only 1 bar with 3G. So if it switches between those two during the averaging period then the "Signal Average" doesn't mean much.

Interestingly, it characterizes 1 bar as 46% Signal Strength, and 2 bar as 74%...I wonder why? It does show 4 bars as 100%.

Strangely, the temperature shows as 2.6°C (36.68°F)...I wonder if my TP2 has a little refrigerator inside? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Ah yes, the 2G/3G band switching is a valid point. I suppose there isn't any way around that apart from disabling Automatic band switching. Unfortunately that wouldn't be a 'real world' test if you don't normally do that.

As to the percentages, I believe this is the way that Windows Mobile reports the signal strength. There is a cruder benchmarking tool linked to in the Topaz radio thread which actually outputs the value to a text file (so you can do more in-depth analyses if you so wish). I'm guessing the value in Dr SigStat equates to the "Signal Strength RAW" in that tool. Unfortunately, the Topaz tool would also suffer from the band switching flaw.

I haven't a clue about the temperature reading! EnergyROMs come with something called tBattery cooked in, and that app also reports the same temperature! :eek:

Hmmm... the author of the Dr SigStat tool did publish the source code for it. So anybody with coding skills (not I, sadly) would be welcome to improve it...? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] nyuhsuk:
Thanks for the tips. I guess the general consensus is that a better radio version may not improve data speeds. I'm just curious as the DC area has been supposedly blanketed in HSPA+ for a little while now but I am seeing speeds on no more than 1.5Mbps (usually around 700-800kbps). And this is while riding and sitting in various areas well within the areas T-Mobile states as HSPA+ covered.

I know people in other regions have experienced higher speeds but I have yet to see anything. Can anyone verify this for this area or their phones if they're also in a HSPA+ region?

And does anyone else experience frequent 3G drops to GPRS during voice calls---
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I still think it's a worthwhile tool. :)

If I wanted to do a comparison of signal strength between two radio-roms I'd just set the Network Type to GSM or 3G -- with auto-switching off, as you say.

And I don't care about the temperature weirdness anyway.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
I'm glad it's of use! :)

Just to go off on a tangent a little, can anyone tell me where this new Brightstar (4.49.25.94) radio version came from?! I flashed it just on a whim really and impressively, I'm finding that with O2 UK here in Leeds, I'm getting consistently better results than with the AT&T (.95) radio in terms of signal strength. (Average 73% signal strength on 3G on .94 compared to a 66% average on .95 with the phone in the same location for tests lasting an hour. The "original" radio 4.49.25.17 gave me an average of just 56%.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Pumpiron579:
Yep, That I agree with. .94 is better than .95 for me and I am in a strong AT&T 3G area. The Radio is "Rhodium Radio, S2 BrightStar ESN Rhodium Radio 4.49.25.94.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] vybzkartel:
So I have been going back and forth between .77, .95 and .94 and I have decided to go with .94. .95 was a slight improvement with GPS locks and call quality through the house but .94 seem to be better. 3G signal throughout the house even in places I didn't have it and even locks GPS inside the house with more Sats than .95.:rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] raz1337:
I'm still trying to find a good radio. I'm in North Carolina on T-Mobile, and ever since I started changing radios, it's been hard to find good reception. Now that I recall, I didn't have reception issues with the stock radio I first had. Now I struggle to get past 1-2 bars.

I tried the last 4-5 radios including the 25.14 which is supposed to be T-Mobile stock, but still not great reception. If the 25.14 is stock for my carrier, then why can't I get reception like I did out of the box?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BigWopHH:
Have you been perusing the Energy ROM thread? The last couple of releases are suffering from an issue that's limiting reception to 2 bars maximum. Some say it is cosmetic only, but information is starting to be posted that says otherwise.

You should try the .94 Radio with the July 20th ROM, or wait for NRG's next release which may fix the issue.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] joebob23:
I kind of think, that it is cosmetic since; I been running that signal test software, and any where from 34-74% signal strength. I only get 2 bars. I haven't been any where yet that have given me above a 100% signal, including outside..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ZeikHunter:
what signal strength software? id like to look ito it myself
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
Probably this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=7441853#post7441853
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
I'm just putting this out as a general question, but has anyone noticed what battery life is like on the newest radios.

I'm trying to decide whether I'm seeing things, but with the .94 radio, it just doesn't seem to be bothered about a low signal strength. I deliberately put the phone in an area with 0-1 bars of signal. When the signal dropped temporarily to 0%, all the battery did was draw 142mAh and then it went to 46mAh (on the Dr SigStat tool). I could have sworn on my previous radios the draw on the battery would have been much higher since it would have been trying its hardest to get a better signal? :confused: I haven't really done any significant testing to verify this, but I thought I'd ask if anyone has noticed anything similar?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
94 seems to be working pretty good over here. After a pretty hefty day of use, still got about 65% remaining... not too shabby.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] ZeikHunter:
havent loaded up many diag progs, but im definitely seeing improved battery life on .94 compared to .95. still greater draw than whatever radio shipped with my refurb phone however.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monomer888:
That's pretty good, considering you're overclocking as well! :eek:

Thanks everyone for the feedback! :)

Although I do like .94, I'm going to continue to test a few other radios to see which is the best 'fit' for the particular ROM I have on my phone and where I am.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmd512:
OC doesn't seem to be draining the battery any more than before. Then again, I don't do the lockscreen stuff and almost always auto/power button press to go straight to standby.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aZzz.bZzz:
oh, they didnt forget about rhodiums:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] raz1337:
I'm in Raleigh NC, and the 25.77 is giving me better reception than 25.95. Sticking with that for now. 25.14 TMobile stock gives me worse reception than 25.77. I went out today and had 4 bars as I went around town. First time in a while I've seen that partly due to Energy's 2 bar issue.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] calvin182:
I don't really wanna look through 146 pages to find the answer so I'm sorry if this is a dumb/repetitive question but here goes:

I have a Verizon Touch Pro 2 (MR2 update ROM from Verizon), can I upgrade my radio? And if so, are there Verizon specific files or will any of the HTC radios do?

In my Settings>About Phone>Software Information it says my radio version is 2.35.00WV.

Any information/recommendations/help would be appreciated.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cezaryj:
No, You CANNOT. You have CDMA phone and this firmware is for GSM phones.

If you will try your phone will be unusable.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Check the Rhodium CDMA sub-forum, where you'll find radios for your phone. If you flash a GSM radio to your CDMA phone, you *will* brick it, effectively destroying it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] calvin182:
Thanks guys!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] chick0n:
Will it be possible to use aircrack in monitormode in the future?

Would be Awesome :p

What WiFi Chipset does the Rhod100 use?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hefman:
Microcell?

Does anyone have any experience with various radios and the AT&T Microcell?

I've been playing around with a few radios and each one I try seems to be worse when trying to connect to the Microcell. So far, the stock radio my Tilt2 shipped with (4.48.25.20) seems to have been the most reliable. I've since tried 4.49.25.94 and 4.49.25.95 and both seem to be much worse.

Before I try some other radios, I just wanted to see if anyone has gone through a similar activity...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] turtle2472:
I'm using .77 right now and it's pretty good though I don't like it's GPS lock speed. As for on my Microcell though the call quality is good. I haven't had any issues at all yet, though I just flashed it last night. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] KatyaECR:
HI, my phone has the 1.59.502.3 ROM, I've just download the rom Version: 4.49.25.95 (AT&T) Download from: 4shared* * The filename in this package says it's radio 4.48.25.95 but it IS 4.49.25. And tried to upgrade my phone. I cancel the procedure since I got a Message asking me to upgrade to 1.00.00 image rom

Please help me!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
It's OK, go ahead and flash it. The 48/49 thing is just a typing error, and the 1.000.00 image rom is what it always says -- or frequently says -- for roms like this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] KatyaECR:
My phone is an unlocked AT&T bought at ebay... I'm using it in San José, Costa Rica My Cell provider uses 850 band for 3G. I can use all the internet apps but cannot navigate with explorer or opera. They work fine with wifi or usb connected to my computer. I can find GPS sats and download maps with google maps. Do you think this rom will help me fix it? can I lost my unlocked program with it? Thanks a lot!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
It's an AT&T branded phone, i.e. a Tilt 2 ?

No, I don't think that flashing a different radio is likely to fix your problem, though it won't hurt either (assuming your phone really is a GSM one and not a CDMA one).

It sounds like it might be something to do with proxy settings for your provider, since the web browsing seems to tbe the only thing not working.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hefman:
As steviewevie says, this has nothing to do with your radio. It is the server and proxy settings for your carrier's data service.

You'll need to find out what those settings are and change them yourself on your device or find a provisioning program that will work for your carrier. I would do some searching around here on XDA, using your carrier company name and "data" or "provisioning" as keywords.

Good luck.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] System of a pWne!^:
May I flash an AT&T Radio when I'm not at AT&T but in Europe? Or will this cause problems?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Just ignore the thing about carriers. It just shows you with whose ROM the radio was released. Any radio should be able to work fine with any carrier, just try one and see. For example, I'm in the UK on Vodafone, but I'm using a radio released with an AT&T ROM.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hamed_a:
hello,im in iran.can I install latest version 4.49.25.95 (AT&T) for my phone?

this is for AT&T or for all phones?

installed version on my phone is 4.49.25.91 HTC

phone:

htc touch pro2

Rom rhodium_af WWE 23129
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Yes, you can use that on your phone, or any GSM Rhodium (but not a CDMA one though ! Don't worry, yours is GSM).

I think it would be good if this could be clarified in the first posting.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
OK, I'm not sure what the problem is either radio (see signature), Rom (Sig) or settings... Everytime I'm on the phone (usually on bluetooth Headset) My network changes from 3g to E to G... and stays on G! This isn't cosmetic since NO internet/data related app works (weather, stocks, opera, NRG's rom updates app etc...) PLEASE someone have an answer and maybe tell me I've failed the 10% rule and my TP2 is kicking my butt!! This has been an issue for quite a few ROMs but I don't remember the Radios! Thank-you ALL!

EDIT: Some of my previous post got chopped... I tried to change the radio:

Update: OK, I went with the .95 radio in the end. It seems to work fine now with on the phone internet access EXCEPT When i leave the 3G coverage area to an EDGE area ... Then it does it's travel down to G trick and stays there regardless of my movement (like if I go back into the 3G area) until I hang up. Then it Goes from G->EDGE->3G in about 35-40 seconds. I've read on an XDA thread (can't remember where... I think a rilphone search will lead to it) that the Rilphone is like a translator between the phone and the radio... ... So maybe the rilphone cooked in to fix the 2 bars issue is causing this?? (PLEASE DON'T KILL ME MMALKA OR NRGZ!!!!...(cowering with arms protecting face and groin) )? Anyone else experiencing this or a similar issue? All feedback is welcome (especially from those with the techie knowledge! ) Feel free to PM me if you don't want to post! Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
"G" still has data/Internet capability (GPRS). I can use the Internet fine when I just have a G showing. I wonder if this is a local problem for you, does it happen in different areas ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
Sorry, No go. G does not provide me enough data (rate?) for anything more than a small mms... No weather update ability, certainly no opera useability and this happens everywhere (multiple US States and towns/Cities)... ??????

New thought: the problem is that it DOESN'T go back up the chain of data (G-3G). Additionally (not sure if it's normally able to or not but) while on the phone and had this issue I went to Comm Manager to turn off data and turn it back on and it didn't let me turn it back on...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] steviewevie:
Lol, well "G" is all we had not too long back, before the days of EDGE, let alone 3G. GPRS speeds do work, just slow. Your post made it sound as if you were saying that because you have a G symbol, that means your data connections won't work. Sure, they will be slow, but they should still work.

I am not doubting you have some sort of problem, but I wonder if it's more related to your carrier and/or perhaps settings linked to your carrier ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
I remember just G too, however, either the timeout period is too short or I'm not actually receiving data because the weather app won't update.. connection error and such. Also Don't forget that once the phone goes down to G it

WON'T

go back up to EDGE or 3G.... It could very well be my carrier (Tmo USA) and their crappy data coverage... but shouldn't the band on the phone change as the surrounding band changes (if I'm in motion) both up and down the chain????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
I don't think even Verizon covers Atlantis.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] TheByteSmasher:
:D:D:D:D:eek::D:D:D:):):)

Actually it's a special service...Grandfathered in from a

much

older plan :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the show stopper:
does anybody know how to hardspl t-mobile touchpro2 ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Have you read the procedure given in Post #1 here?

All GSM versions of the TP2 use that procedure.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] the show stopper:
yeah i did but everytime i tried to download the Hardspl from its main thread i got only 128 kb rar file.... then i had to google for hardspl and downloaded it from megaupload .... i am glad that worked for me
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hefman:
You must have had a browser issue (try cleaning out your cache). I just downloaded it and it's (still) 1.8MB...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] joostnl:
Whats the best Radio for the Netherlands?

(can dutch people give advice)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] irsa_adinugraha:
there is radio rom for htc touch pro 2 sprint edition????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
The radio-roms in this thread are for GSM phones only. You may "brick" your phone if you try a GSM rom in a CDMA (e.g., Sprint) TP2.

You need to look in the CDMA sub-forum for CDMA radio-roms.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] richabi:
Really? I have been using 94 for a while and it seems it eats through my battery. We are both in Austin too so I was initially going to post maybe its just my location. I am also getting more dropped calls and distorted calls in my house. I am going to 77 for a while.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] minicoop7:
Anyone from AT&T Los Angeles care to share experience/advice on what Radio to use with Energyrom's Cookie Dinik Glass ROM?

Thanks

MC
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DeadBirdDog:
Think I'm going back to .77. Both .94 and .95 are switching in and out of Edge and H and I'm getting more drops than I ever had before.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] derride8:
I agree with you 100%. I have seen the same results, but though it was just me (t-mobile).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DeadBirdDog:
Not sure if its an Energy Rom thing or not but tonight it dropping calls pissed me off to where I wanted to throw the phone out the window. Two bars, then 4, then none. Repeat. Even sitting on the table it switches back and forth between E and H. To be honest the thing hasn't worked right since I upgraded to the July ROMs (now August) and changed the radio. I have got to get this thing stable.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
OK, you guys convinced me. I, too, was experiencing some of these issues, but I didn't want to blame the radio-ROM. But I don't think I experienced this on .77, and in fact I had no problems with .77, I just switched 'cause I thought newer is better, right? Nope, not necessarily. :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dky500:
I thought it was just me having issues w/ the new radios but now I see I'm not alone. Going back to .77 as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DeadBirdDog:
Since I switched back to .77 my signal issues have disappeared (fingers crossed). You guys that switched having similar luck?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kangburra:
.77 is horrible with GPS lock, I have gone back (?) to .88 in the hope it's better tomorrow. :-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MCbrian:
Hmmm...most people have seen great performance with GPS on .77. Check out the posts on this thread soon after .77 was released. In fact, improved GPS lock is the main/only improvement I noticed when I switched to .77 several months ago.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kangburra:
I had it on yesterday and it took five minutes to get a fix on my position. QuickGPS is up to date and I use iGo8 daily. Previously .91 gave a lock in about one minute with the same setup. I am trying to improve battery life which .91 is not good for here. If it comes to a choice though I can manage with .91 and a car charger! ;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kangburra:
Results today, .88 is better at GPS than .77, but .91 is better overall. So, I am back on .91 and will keep a car charger handy in case I need it.

This is Perth WA.