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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jmcourir:
I have the same problem. Have installed successfully the Copilot Live 8 on my HTC Touch Pro2 - Telus. I see all streets, poi's and major roads in US but in Canada, I only see Major roads. I have contacted ALK the Friday August 14th and they told me that they will fix it as soon as possible. No responce from them today (monday) so I called them back to know what was going on and they say again will fix the problem and told me that the Canadian map was good but it was a licensing issue and they are working on that problem. They also told me that it could take few more days before resolving the problem.

If you guys have any updates on that problem, don't hesitate to let us know.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alwayslearning:
we have a new street just finished one year ago and it is in CP7, maybe it is a city thing?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
I don't know how to get around this with the "standard" password lock, but I do know that I don't have this problem using A_C's "slide to unlock" application (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=527523). This gives me password protection when the device is locked, but also has an exception list, which stops it kicking in when copilot is running.

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lombardo8:
Thanks Ed.

I have given up. I now use the home button to lock my device myself. cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alwayslearning:
Copilot 8

from ALK site:

Important: HTC Touch Diamond 2 and HTC TouchPro 2 Unfortunately CoPilot Live v8 cannot currently be installed on those Touch Diamond 2 or Touch Pro 2 phones which were supplied with a factory-installed trial version of CoPilot Live 7.

this includes those who install CP7 from the HTC download site as i have. Have to wait for a new ROM and I believe HSPL will be out this weekend. So we will be able to flash a new ROM without CP7 in it and then install CP8
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bizybone:
Purchased for my Fuze, my biggest gripe is that the onscreen keyboard is in alphabetical order as someone else mentioned. Also my maps are not up to date. It sucked when my first 2 addresses I entered were not found lol.

Hey maybe they mean up-to-date when compared to their 7 maps. I am spoiled by Tom Tom maps :)

But the program itself I love.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alwayslearning:
they did change the keyboard layout.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ramsfan_Jim:
Can anyone confirm whether CoPilot 8 has the same issues as v7 in that you can't remove it?

I tried phoning the helpdesk and was told it's not compatible with the TP2, so couldn't get any further. I'd like to try it (the price is good), but want to know that I can remove it and go back to TomTom (when they release a compatible version) if I don't like it...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dgh:
I bought Copilot live 8 like 3 days ago. I must say this is the best sofar.YES ON MY TP2 :) also the website says TP2 compatible ( but perhaps not on branded ones ).

I have tried both tomtom and igo 8 but both kept lagging ( after tweaks 3 secs ). The lag was especially annoying when making turns that are close to eachother in city traffic.

Copilot has NO LAG :) . nothing whatsoever. When the turn is completed so is copilot. Copilot 8 is showing in my remove programs list so it supose i can be normally uninstalled.

A few negatives though :

1) lack of live services ( will be available soon like traffic info )

2) horrible translation in my native language ( dutch )

3) The clearturn ( roadsigns on the highway ) will pop onto the screen just a few metres before the exit :confused: . I tried everything but it does not change. On Igo it poped up like 2 or 3 miles before the exit.

4) desktop program ( copilot central ) keeps on saying "There are new THINGS available for your account " . Unfortunatelly i can't see what those things should be :confused: .

5) lack of a forum at ALKS website where i can post questions like question 3 and 4 above.

Perhaps someone knows a solution to item 3 or 4 ??????

Great program and i hope those live services will come soon
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jmcourir:
I've called them yesterday and they did not fix the problem yet. Still waiting.... If any of you has solved the problem, don't hesitate to give us the solution.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
You've probably tried this, but there is a sectionin the settings for clearturn. I initially had this set to "when exit is within 0.5 miles" which seemed to work. I've changed it to "within 1 mile", but haven't actually been anywhere since, so can't confirm whether the change has had an effect.

FWIW - I also have the "Show turns near exit" checkbox in that settings page ticked.

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rob_p:
Have they improved the route recalculation - CPL7 could take an age recalculating if you took a wrong or different turn?

I'm hoping htey release a trial so I can compare it with NavMii and Navigon which I'm currently trialling.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MusicArt1st:
You can't remove CP7 IF it was part of the ROM. CP8 doesn't come on any ROM at the moment that I know of. So if you don't have CP7 on your device which was part of the ROM you can install and uninstall CP8 as much as you like.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dgh:
YEs i have tried it.... no change whatsoever. bug perhasp ?

Thanks for thinking with me :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ArchiGent:
copilot 8 maps

I am reluctant to upgrade from v7 as I understand that the 'premium' stuff like 'traffic' isn' yeyt availabe and even when it is my current subscriptions cannot be transferred from v7 to v8!!

I am happy with v7 but would like updated maps as I travel on some roads that aren't on v7.

Does anyone one know if v8 maps can be used on v7? It possible just to get map updates without having to 'upgrade' (or downgrade in my case) the whole thing?

Cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mian23:
To buy 1 or 2 CP8

Hi,

I currently have and use both of my TP2 & TytnII for navigation. Can someone please let me know if I need to buy the CP8 seperately for both of my devices or will one purchase work on both?

I would really appreciate some helpful advice here.

thanks:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jmcourir:
Problem solved! They contacted me this morning via email. Had to delete some file and register with a new License code they give to me. Now I can see streets everywhere in CANADA.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cotc2001:
I've got copilot 8 installed on mine but sometimes I like to swap between it and Igo8 .

Problem is though that they both install a file called autorun.exe into the 2577 folder on the SD card so I can't run both without having to rename the files each time.

Anyone know what I can do?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
I'm guessing that you will need to buy two copies. CoPilot seem to be pretty hot on licensing. After installing you need to activate the software on your device - this is partly done via the Internet, so they know you've activated it.

If you install on a new device (which I had to when I upgraded from a TyTN2 to a TP2) you'll need to activate it again, but it won't let you if the previous activation is still working.

Instead you have to deactivate the old copy (which will update their license server) and then activate on another device. But you can't use both devices at once (deactivating effectively cripples the software completely).

It's possible that you might be able to copy a license file from one device to another, but I'm not sure about that (and would imagine that they've thought about that and locked the licenses to a device somehow).

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
Hey guys, I just bought the North America version from ALK's website. I'm also curious as to how much extra Text-to-Speech costs. Co-Pilot Central doesn't list anything extra as for sale.

What's more troubling is that a couple of (what I thought was) standard features are grayed out for me. I have no POIs. If I go into the "Quick Stops" menu, all four categories are grayed out (Petrol Stations, Hotel, Restaurant, Vehicle Repair). Live Local Search is also grayed out under Live Services. I know that Live Traffic and Fuel Prices are premium services and require extra cost, but ALK specifically advertised Live Local Search as a standard feature and I'm not able to access it.

Are you guys able to access those features?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bizybone:
Not sure what to tell you about the POI's because I can see mine.

But as for the Local Search, that is also grayed out for me.

as a side note

What ever happened to the "Visual Lane" feature while on the free way, I've yet to see it even though I have that clear turn setting configured.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
That's another odd thing, "ClearTurn" is also grayed out for me in Settings. Even though the UK version of their website advertises as a feature, I don't see it anywhere on their US website, so I just assumed that feature is not available on the US version.

I don't understand why POI doesn't work for me though. I'll try reinstalling...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajmiller:
I have just had a good long run with CoPilot 8 and I have to say I was massively impressed with it over 7. Totally accurate, crisp display, very smooth re-draw and no lag at all. Navigated me through an unfamiliar city with no difficulty at all.

However, every once in a while, though not often, the GPS simply stopped working. Rebooting Copilot usually solved it but obviosuly something is not quite right here. The back of the unit felt quite warm so I am wondering if this is a GPS driver/radio/rilphone.dll issue rather than a Copilot one? Has anyone else experienced this behaviour?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gringolian:
I have had this several times with my TP2 running tomtom. I've used an external GPS device and not had it happen with that but haven't used it anywhere near enough to say if it definitely solves the problem.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
Tried reinstalling, still doesn't have POI or Local Search :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bgalb:
CoPilot Custom POI Group file structure

I have been using CoPilot 8 for a couple of days now and like it a lot. Have used TomTom 6 prior to CP 8 and like 8 better, except for one thing:

The file structure for custom POIs.

In TomTom, each type of custom POI is in a separate file and is easily extracted, reworked with POIedit and replaced. In CP 8 the import for POIs is really nice, but forget trying to export or extract the same custom POI group after you have added a few additional POIs within CP 8.

With TT 6, I could easily extract my custom POIs, convert to kml and view them with Google Maps. Each POI group in CP 8 has a dozen or more files in the group folder, and I can't figure out how to export or extract a CP 8 group from my SD card.

Anyone know of a hack to do this? From the group file structure it looks to be difficult.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jmcourir:
Hi Morfinx,

I have also the North America Map and Quick Stops work for me. But Live Local Search is grayed out for me. Only Live Link and Weather Live are accessible.

Buy the way, if you zoom in somewhere in Canada map, do you see any streets or only Major roads ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
Hmm... definitely seems like POI is broken for me. I emailed their tech support, hopefully I'll hear something on Monday.

I zoomed in on Toronto and was able to see all of the streets, not just major ones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ecard:
Do not hold you breath, I emailed the tech support on August 13th, and still waiting :(

They could at least give me a status...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
I emailed them a few times during the CoPilot 7 days and each time they got back to me the same day. Maybe CoPilot 8's popularity has caught them off guard. We'll see.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
Question for you guys with North America version of Co-Pilot 8: when you use CoPilot Central 2.0, with your phone connected, go to "Explore My CoPilot", and then "Point of Interest", then click on "POIs on My Device", do you see anything there?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] danielherrero:
Same here.suddently the gps loose signal and it isnt recovered anymore. rebooting copilot fixes it so I think is a copilot problem......
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajmiller:
Yes, that makes sense. Ive put a support request in. Ill report back if and when ALK respond. It may just be my imagination but when I put the TP2 by the blower to keep it cool I had no further problems for the next 4 hours of driving.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quarintus:
Good news for copilot 7 and 8 users. It is removable. By installing the HARDSPL and reflashing a ROM Copilot will be removed. This couldn't be done without the HARDSPL.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eepyaich:
I also had this with my TP2. On two journeys, after about an hour the GPS signal went and CoPilot seemed to cycle through

- no GPS signal

- GPS signal is back - determining position

for about five minutes. It did come back without a reboot in the end, though.

FWIW - this was with both CoPilot 7 and 8.

Ed
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rob_p:
Interesting. Not sure if that's something that's specific to CPL or a general problem with the TP2 - I had Mobile Navigator 7.4 hang on me on a long run the other day - was a warm day with the phone sitting up on the dash, although I didn't check if it was particularly hot at the back. I certainly don't think that the GPS hardware in the phone is all ok, seem to be too many niggling problems with it.

Sounds like CPL8 is a decent system though, I'm torn at the moment between getting that, or NavMii as that seems to have a very good forum system where you get responses and feedback from their dev guys quite a lot.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mian23:
Thanks Mate!:)

I'll try n give them a call to see what they say!.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jchap2k:
Same here. No POI for USA for me. If they do not fix this, I'm going to deactivate mine, and tell them to give me a refund.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
My thoughts exactly. But I will give them a chance to fix it. Not sure why other users have POI though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
A bit of an update: After not getting any email updates, I decided to call Tech Support. I was on hold for more than 30 mins, and 1 min before I was about to hang up, I got someone. I asked about 3 things:

Q: When are premium services (i.e. Text To Speech) going to be available in Co-Pilot Central 2.0?

A: Soon. But cannot give a specific date.

Q: Is Live Local Service a standard feature? If so, why is it grayed out for me?

A: Not sure about this particular feature. Will get back to you.

Q: Why do I have no access to POI?

A: If the copy process did not get completed, it could cause no POI. I informed him I had uninstalled, recopied, and reinstalled the data, he was out of ideas and escalated my ticket to a senior tech. He said he's knowledgeable about troubleshooting Co-Pilot 7, but since 8 is so new, he doesn't know much about it yet.

I'll keep you updated on the progress.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dave497:
I'm running on a T-Mobile US TP2, stock ROM. Overall, my impression is extremely favorable, given that the cost with North American maps is only $35. So far (about 2 weeks) it has performed well. I haven't experienced the loss of GPS signal that others have mentioned, but it might just be that I've been lucky.

For a basic GPS navigation system that has a few extras thrown in, it's well worth the money, IMO. It remains to be seen whether I feel the same way when they roll out the for-pay services that are currently unavailable in the US, apparently. That may be the point where they want us to bend over and grab our ankles, money-wise. I hope they offer a reasonable trial period for the services so we can evaluate them.

A couple of complaints. Like some others, I can't see the device's POIs when using CoPilot Central 2.0. That's not a big deal to me, but it's a bug. The stored GPS track is a bigger issue for me. The software stores tracking information which can be uploaded by CoPilot Central. Unfortunately, when you use CoPilot Central to convert the track to KML format, it doesn't convert it to a KML formatted route. It just converts it into a series of individual KML points, so when you load it up with Google Earth, you get a series of individual thumbtacks, not a route. I really like the software overall, but that is just lame. I don't fault the PPC software, I fault CoPilot Central for not converting the GPS coordinates into a route. The problem is, the navigation software stores new coordinates only every 30 seconds, which is not frequent enough for a decent route anyway. They should be storing GPS data as it is received, not every 30 seconds. So, if you want to convert your route to KML to share with others, you'll need to use a different GPS app running alongside CoPilot. There are a bunch out there that store GPS data in NMEA format which you can convert on your PC to KML or other formats.

I like the PhotoNav feature, where you can add geotagged jpegs as POIs. But, once it is entered as a POI I can't find a way to click on the POI and pull up the jpeg again, which would have been a nice extra for route planning. Instead of just extracting the lat/long from the jpegs, I wish they had stored a link to the photo with the POI so you could tap on it and launch your viewing app to see the photo.

Still, the package is well worth the $35 to me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
Are you able to access POIs while using Co-Pilot?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dave497:
Yes, I can. I haven't had any problems accessing them from CoPilot. For me, it's just the PC app, CoPilot Central, that can't see the POIs.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] peter7:
Does the build-in TMC function work ??????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RobTsintas:
You've probably worked this out by now, but if you use "Destination", it assumes you're starting from current location. If you go to the next page and use "Plan or Edit Trip", you can start from anywhere.

Sometimes there is a problem where, having planned a trip, you get started from not-quite-exactly-on-the-start-location. So it doesn't mark the start as visited and keeps trying to navigate you back there!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RobTsintas:
Some of the features like detour, quick stop etc. will only be available if you have a fix or are actually following a planned route. Would this have anything to do with your problem?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
No. I can't access POIs even when I have a fix. In fact, the POI menu is grayed out when you go into Destination.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ecard:
YES !!!

I just got a new license key, and I can now see my street in Canada !!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dave497:
CoPilot's Live Traffic service hasn't started in the US yet, and I think they're going to implement it over a data connection, not regular TMC. As far as the TP2 being TMC-capable, I've read posts from people who could not get it to work, but I don't have any first hand knowledge.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
I got an email from another person today:

So I called back, but unfortunately the person who emailed me had just left minutes ago. So they are supposed to call me tomorrow morning with a new product key. I'll keep this thread updated.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bgalb:
I added two custom POI groups (.ov2 files) to my CP 8 and they show fine on the device, but do not show in CP Central "POIs on My Device".

Their help files are very limited and it is not clear whether custom POIs should show this way or if this feature is limited to POIs that you buy from the store (of which none are now available).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morfinx:
OK fixed my POI issue. The problem was that they put up a download that didn't have the POI data in the package. The download has been updated this morning (you can use the same download link you got in your purchase email). I compared the old download with the new one I got this morning. This old one was ~1GB, the new one was ~1.5GB. After copying the new "copilot" folder over, I now have POIs :)

The lady I talked to seems to have confirmed the Live Local Search is a premium feature and has to be paid for (as part of a bundle). I hope this doesn't turn into a penny pinching operation. I really only want Text to Speech so the street names are pronounced, and to a much lesser extend, Live Local Search. Once again, she couldn't give me a release date on premium features, only that it'll be available "soon".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orange3g:
Pricing so far is good, but I think they are doing a classic hook and bait tactic. hook them with the low pricing bait, then hit them for all you can, by charging for things other satnavs on WMO are providing as normal! Let's see if time proves me wrong.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lord_BlackAdder:
The price of Australia map is ridiculously high. That is unfair.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orange3g:
In fairness, and I am not defending them, Australia is a lot bigger than most countries!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orange3g:
1. Has anyone noticed how after running co-pilot and exiting from it, bluetooth is activated, even though it was not before

2. The co-pilot keyboard is counter-intuitive and lacks a "-" (i.e. a hyphen).

3. It does seem to have improved interface wise. Last time I used CP was v.6 I think, used it once and never again, as it got me lost horrendously. It made up the routes as it went along I think!

4. They should launch a page with forums, clearly they do not believe in their product otherwise they would!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orange3g:
MODS: should this thread be moved to the general forum....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Maverick777:
1. Have not had any issues with bluetooth turning on.

2. They said they are going to reintroduce a QWERTY keyboard in a future update (no time frame mentioned). Although the hyphen is available in the number screen below the plus symbol.

3. I've never used a previous version of CP so I can't comment. (Even though ALK claims the maps are up-to-date, my home address is not on the map. My neighborhood has been here for over 4 years. IGO 8 maps have my address. Even TomTom 6 has it. Not sure why CP 8 doesn't)

4. A forum would be nice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mazzano4:
Absolutly love this i just put it on to my G1 now and its the fookin dogs bollox

running perfect, no problems with bluetooth or anything its actually better

than the sat nav in my car which can now go to the missus car, (Trust me, she needs it,never gets lost going to hairdressers or shoes and clothes shopping, strange that!!!)Can not believe how good the GPS is on this phone i am sat in my computer room at home and no bother getting my location and everything works great. I have an interesting point about this so PM me if you want to know more and you really should ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TyTanIc:
Not compatible with TP2

Yes ... BUT... ALK's website for the upgrade states quite clearly:

"Check compatibility

Note: Not compatible with HTC Touch Diamond2 or HTC Touch Pro2."

:eek: