yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jabberoo:
Sorry, what do you mean..?

My device info says RAM size 256mb/should be 288 - so i am down 32mb. In memory it says 188 total (not 256), with 120mb currently in use (no running apps) - this leaves just 60mb or sometimes less, for running any installed apps.

This can't surely be right, can it? - Where is all that RAM gone, what is being used and for what? Explanation please....

Flash size in device info says 512mb, in memory it says 277.72 total - where is the rest of the 512...?

Confused i am.

Why is Winmo + TFlo using over 120mb (no other running apps) on my TP2...?

Why did my old Dopod 838 Pro use way less memory to run WinMo 6.1 + SPB Mobile Shell 2.15 + a Theme over that...?

Can anyone noob it out for me, i just don't get it.

Cheers

Jabberoo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nimnox:
With regard to winmo+tflo using a large amount of ram compared to older devices you need to look at resolution (for the most part). The Dopod is a QVGA device (like my Titan) and renders at 320X240 pixels. The TP2 is a WVGA device, so already needs 4 times the effective memory for rendering the screen (simplified, but generally the case).

I would say turn off TouchFlo and go back to mobile shell if the memory is really running that low. As soon as rom cooking gets in swing people will cut down a lot of the fat that runs under stock roms.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jabberoo:
Thanx for the advice (screen res makes sense, but geez!)

Out of interest, i turned off TFlo, uses a stable 92mb of RAM for the OS, with TFlo on, after soft reset it starts at 73mb and then climbs to as high as 130mb in use (no running apps).

I ran this issue past HTC here in Oz and they had no answers for the RAM use, apart from saying that using 120 to 130mb (with no apps running) was certainly not correct.

A Mate has a TP2 as well and his does the same (both Singapore models).

Going to try the new SEA upgrade which suits my model, who knows, may be the fix cuz it seems TFlo is perhaps the culprit...??

I still don't get why memory says i have just 188mb of RAM total though and just 277mb of total storage?

Cheers

Jabberoo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nimnox:
http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/17/494177.aspx should explain things pretty well, and if you want even more detail about how the system uses what you can see, check out http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2005/11/29/498154.aspx
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] leginag:
Got the same issue, which I only just noticed when I saw this thread. Device info only shows 256MB ram and Memory says 188MB.

Not going to bother doing the ROM upgrade just for the RAM. Gonna wait for a decent ROM to come out to justify the effort of installing all the programs etc etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jabberoo:
Thanks for the info nimnox...

I took a look and it did offer some explanation. I think that this HTC device, using around 190 odd megabytes to run is ludirous. The general public spec list for ROM at 512mb (when it really isn't) certainly gives the impression that it has this much available as usable storage is a bit of a fluffy area too.

Essentially, the device offers a little over half of the spec in actual usable storage and about one third in actual usable RAM.

I believe this is shamefully misleading (most folks are not overly tech savvy) as it represents an extreme lack of clarity and understanding.

I did a reflash with the SEA update ROM, the RAM spec increased to 288mb (from the displayed 256), but did little in the way of adding available RAM (still at 188mb). I am hoping it will clear up some of the other problems being reported with this device.

Thanks to all for the advice.

Cheers

Jabberoo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solsearch:
Personally I don't think it's that misleading.

People might not be that tech savvy, but these aren't your average phones.

When you buy a computer with a 250GB hard drive, you don't get upset because part of that is taken up by the OS or the backup/restore partition. Granted, in this case it's proportionately a lot more, but it's also understood that most of your memory needs will be covered by a microSD card. No one advertises just the available memory. It's like hard drives' GB, they measure them as 1000MB and not 1024 as it should be (which means the computer will always detect less). And as for the meomry reserved by the system, we see things like this with Windows Vista and other OS's.

well, just my two cents (I am not saying it's not irritating to have all that memory unavailable, just that it's common practice and therefore not that misleading as many people might be used to it).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
Wait.. the hotfix worked for you? or are you talking about something else?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gunggu:
agree, its normal in a sort of ways.....the more capability your phone has, the more memory it would use, the more complex an application is, the more ram it will consume.

btw, the 256 false RAM info is just a false info, so even if you upgrade the ROM, it doesnt mean you will get an additional amount of RAM, it only fix the info from 256 to 288 MB.

the manufacturer already states the truth: physical RAM of 288 MB and ROM of 512 MB. thats why i said, you should look into the device info, not the memory settings. In the memory, it will only show total of RAM and ROM available to be used when the device is turned on.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] net_walker:
I have the same confusion:

I like to put everything into the phone bringing with me everywhere, including all kind of software and all kind of materials, photo,music, e-book, home video etc.

if the ROM and RAM are not big enough, I will always be worried about them when install software or copy materials. Even it still does not run out off memory, but I do worry about it all the time.

although it can be expanded by TF card, however, many software can't run on TF card and the read/write speed of the TF card is slower than the main memory.

If the main memory is big enough, I can install all of the software into main memory and copy all of the materials into TF card. At that condition, I can easily change TF card to get anymore new contents.

My last device is O2 flame, I do feel comfortable with its big Flash ROM but its RAM still too small and also many other shortcoming.

I ever think of N97 for the built in 32G memory, however, I am used to WM system.

I ever think of samsung i908 for the built in 8G memory, however there is several week points in its specification.

I do not understand why HTC build in so small memory in such a highend model while its competitor,such as Apple,Nokia,Sumsung, are goint toward another way.

more details may refer to: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=542322
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RogerStenning:
Whoops, erroneous posting, please ignore!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lmbranco:
My friend, the advantage of having a device with a micro sd or mini sd expansion slot is that it enables you to have the amount of storage that you want and even with the possibility to change it on the fly, like for example carrying around two 32Gb memory cards and using them as you like (one for gps and one for music for example). Now tell me how do you do this when the mobile has a built in memory of 8Gb or 32Gb but no storage expansion? It's a matter of choice.

Regarding the execution memory, it's more than enough, apple allows you one application per time, so no example here, nokia you can have multiple application running like in windows mobile, the trick is to make it cleverly, otherwise your mobile will be slow (either nokia or any other mobile suffer from this).

My suggestion:

Get a couple of memory sticks, have your software installed in one of them, then copy it over to the other, this way you have your software everywhere. Then use on memory stick for gps and/or photos and another for music.

It's only a matter of wanting to do things and not waiting for them to happen ;-)

cheers
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tonidekohlanta:
Hello everyone,

It's been a long time since I didn't come on the forum, and I am interested in buying a replacement for my Hermes, and the Rhodium is the perfect candidate!

As I got interest in it, I just saw that today was released a rom upgrade dealing with the memory issue for EU phones:

http://www.htc.com/fr/SupportViewNews.aspx?dl_id=629&news_id=219

They also say to wait for update from your provider. Hope this can help.

See you after I buy my new toy.

Toni
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jabberoo:
Hi

Yes, installed fine, but did nothing to aid the working RAM available, just makes the hardware info show 288 instead of 256mb. It is a full ROM replacement, not a hotfix per se.

It did not fix the Keyboard backlight not working properly and a bunch of other things, infact, i can't see that it fixed much at all.

My device right now is running 128.28mb of RAM (in use) with no apps running at all. This leaves a meagre 59.33mb available to actually run my apps (manin memory or sd installed).

This is just ridiculous.....

Often, I have tried in the past to run IGO 8 (Sat Nav) off my sd card and it won't start because of a lack of available RAM to run it.

Soft reset and it will load.

Did i say this is ridiculous..?

Essentially, of the available 288mb of RAM, 100mb disappears straight away doing 'something', a further 188mb is in use presumably with the OS and TFlo, leaving the user with less than a meagre 60mb.

As for it being misleading - i don't recall any advertising advice, anything printed on the box, anything at all alerting me to the fact that the bulk of the RAM will be taken up with 'processes'....

Consider your PC, adding 8gb of RAM and having the OS taking more than 2 thirds of it to just run. Then all your apps not running because of a lack of available RAM. It really doesn't make much sense, does it?

The hope is that Minmo 6.5 will use much less to run, we'll see.....

Cheers

Jabberoo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] radiowc:
Huh? Only with 59.33mb available to run your apps? That is very strange. I have 84mb++ when nothing is running, i only get that amount when I have apps like S2U2, secondtoday, and other apps etc running. I even can launch Igo8 with that amount of mem with others apps were running.

I know when i have S2U2 running, it will slowly takes a lots of memory and sometime it even goes to 50mb++, but I used the cleanRAM to clear it up.

In your case... Very strange indeed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jabberoo:
Yes, it is strange, but i have a friend who has one and his does it too, so it is not uncommon.

I can soft reset mine and watch it climb from a 73mb start to 95mb in minutes and even up to 130mb over time, again, no apps running.

The RAM clean thing is really something that you should, i say 'should' not really have to do. After all, is a closed app not a closed app...?

I did see a video demo of WinMo 6.5 running on (i think) a Touch HD the other day and caught a glimpse of the running RAM, it was around 50-ishmb during the demo. Figure that.....

Something is not quite right with the RAM use on this phone model.

Cheers

Jabberoo
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Journeyjeans:
Wow, I hope this is a fluke, because I would not be able to STAND another Mogul (WVGA this time)!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] At0mAng:
Wait for the HardSPL to come out. HTC like any other computer maker adds tons of blotware on your device and leaves running applications in the background that are not needed. Take a look at my Touch Pro ROM thread and see how much usable memory I squeezed out of it and that is after all of my apps from my Pre Install Pack have been installed, reduced xip and 16MB of Pagepool.

And another thing that is eating a lot of Program Memory is Opera not closing when you exit it along with pushinternet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] net_walker:
Hi, why is it a matter of choice? Why can't we choose to have the big built-in memory and expansion slot together, just like what OMNIA II did?:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Journeyjeans:
Seriously, is this thing the Mogul 2, or does the OP just have a bad phone?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] vieuxclou:
hi everyone i find this on the web, and i try it after a few minutes of browsing with this new web browser, i just have one thing to say this dorothy browser is :eek::eek:AMAZINGLY FAST:eek::eek: more than skyfire, more than opera 9.5, i think the speed can be compare to opera 9.7 but with no compress pages, you have the sames pages as you can have on an iphone.

It still a beta version, the srolling is not really smoth as opera 9.5/9.7 but i think the next release will improve it, i hope because we have a great app here:) please try this and judge by yourself.

You must register, enter your name and your e-mail, then go to your mail follow the link on the message and install it to your phone. Fully work on my hd:)

original post in french (use google translate) http://www.smartphonefrance.info/

http://www.dorothybrowser.com
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] aussiebum:
The official XDA thread from the Developer is here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=543168
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Touch Amateur2:
I know that HTC Album and Windows (Mobile) Media Player handle my MP4s (created with the Encoder app) better than Coreplayer yet both have their deficiencies. Coreplayer - with the settings I tried - can't keep up, it stutters and drops frames.

Both, Album and WMP, do not start with the last opened video at the last position.

WMP crops video rather than offering different scaling options (with Album I can at least toggle between different views).

Album's file handling is terrible (e.g. no file names, only thumbnails); WMP's Library approach isn't much better.

Anybody know a better alternative?

TA2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Touch Amateur2:
As an update. I tried two flavors of TCMP (versions that have been adapted for WM 6.1) but with them the output is also jumpy.

Are there really no alternatives or am I missing better settings for TCMP?

TA2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DrProphecy:
same problems in the US on Tmobile TP2

I am also pulling my hair out trying to find a good media player and flash player for my new TP2.. I've downloaded nearly 50 different flash players and unloaded them.. had to hard reset my phone twice in the last 2 weeks.. real worried about digging around hacking if I cant even trust that what everyones guarenteed works hasnt worked and I'll be sitting on a $350 lump not being able to hard reset.. let me know if and when you Do find something and I will do the same..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tarroyo:
REALLY? CorePlayer stutters and drops samples????

Care to provide a sample so I can try this out myself?
[HTC Excalibur] kirta89:
I need Key Config for qwerty smartphones (Excalibur)

this is config not qwerty phones >>
[HTC Excalibur] AlekSS-881980:
I'm attached standard english config file.
[HTC Excalibur] kirta89:
Does anybody use aek_map on S620??? :confused:
[HTC Excalibur] kirta89:
give me config file for aek_map :) please
[HTC Excalibur] AlekSS-881980:
I have only russian files- edit them.
[HTC Excalibur] kirta89:
AlekSS-881980

ok, give me your russian AEK Map config ;)
[HTC Excalibur] AlekSS-881980:
Ok take it.
[HTC Excalibur] AlekSS-881980:
And photo for russian keyboard:).
[HTC Excalibur] kirta89:
AlekSS-881980

how can I edit it with Georgian KeyBoard ??? :(
[HTC Excalibur] AlekSS-881980:
Do you have Georgian & English symbols on your keyboard? If yes see english symbols on my photo & edit russian letters :)
[HTC Excalibur] kirta89:
please give me your AEKMap (Microsoft Office Outlook Configuration File) ;)

for Qwerty. for Excalibur

;););)
[HTC Excalibur] AlekSS-881980:
I dont use AEK therefore havent config file.
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] SigerSnieder:
Hi all,

i'm new at this forum, and this is my first post, i hope my question isn't to silly ;)

I bought a t-mobile Ameo second hand. It came with a dutch installation. now i would like to upgrade it to WM 6 (dutch or english).

I've tried to upgrade according to some procedures describe on other threads in this forum, but I keep getting the message that the file ?? is corrupted.

Could someone please tell me the procedures and the files I need to upgrade my ameo from WM 5 to WM 6?

thanks a lot!!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] zvi1:
is there a way to show tasks I have on clander (PI 8)

on the Mnila today page? I can see only appointments.

original HD ROM
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Matthes42:
this question has been asked so many times here. you could search for tools adding the today screen into manila
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Fallen Spartan:
Try searching and read rules
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] nlaith:
Dears

Kindly , The campaign from the site below and Windows Mobile 6.5 and the file needs password, please help or give a title to download the Windows Mobile 6.5 to sony Ericsson X1

With Appreciation

.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Jonny4911:
what site :confused:
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] firepigs:
sorry for my poor English，but i really don't know what u mean:confused:
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Gwystyl:
with above. I don't understand the question?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Adrammalech:
Has anyone found a way to disable the vibration of the device when you press a touchkey in the phone application ?

Thanks in advance
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gunggu:
i'm pretty sure it was on the touchflo settings,

good luck!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Adrammalech:
Thanks for the answer but i already unchecked the option in "TouchFLO" settings and vibration are gone everywhere except the phone application, and that's what i'm looking for.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ghostifish:
I remember enabling this on my Atom Life with Diamond Tweak. Maybe it works the other way round as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pimppoet:
I found it with quick search for "vibration" using total commander.

Its under hklm\software\htc\phone\phoneextendsetting\keypadvibration Change the value to zero to turn off.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tmonoob:
Thank you for this find. Have you found out how to disable the vibration on the keyboard in general?

IE: Tapping the Touchflo 3d

IE: Typing when creating a message
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] pimppoet:
Didnt have that problem. Go to setting -> touchflo to make sure the vibrate option is disabled. Also go to input->touch input->options & disable the vibrate option from there.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] TronC:
Hi, I was making this list for myself, so I can quick personalize my phone after flashing without forgetting something.

So I thought: why not share it with you guys :)

Steps to personalize your phone.

1.	Align screen > Text Size

2.	Connection setup Wizard

3.	SASHIMI autocab install + Reg

4.	Make Contact card

5.	Make Owner Information > Put XT9 on your language

6.	Set up Backlight and Timing

7.	Regional Settings

8.	Set up Timezone and date (maybe set up alarm)

9.	Phone ID (settings > about > Device name)

10.	Active Sync Syncroniseren (for your contacts, agenda items etc.)

11.	PIMbackup (for retrieving text messages) > No email

12.	Set up mail account and syncronisation time

13.	Order Touch Flow tabs

14.	Set up HD tweak

15.	TOM sms settings

16.	Task manager settings (x button setting)

17.	Set up your home-softkeys (\HKLM\Software\HTC\Manila)

18.	Set up favorite contacts

19.	Ringtones, sms tones (settings for retrieving sms, email etc)

20.	Themes, wallpapers, taskbar etc.

21.	Sort your Start menu icons (wm 6.5) or program tab

So I think this was it ;) If I forgot something, I will edit.

I hope this is any help to you guys :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kuyichi:
Can't you setup this all with SASHIMI?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Yes you can. Once you have set up Sashimi there is no need to do any further setting up. Emails, texts, software, settings etc etc is all perform during initial setup after flash.

Threads already on Sashimi exist like this one

No need for another thread
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom Software Upgrading] MAHEHPAN4:
Hi, I have bought laptop, os is windows vista, I have activated vodafone gprs.

How to use device (o2 xda atom execuitive) as modem for windows vista ?

It is asking USB MODEM DRIVER.

Is is available ?

And how I get it and load in laptop ?

Mahendra

India
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom Software Upgrading] kamol:
USB Drivers

Hay! You can use windows mobile device center for vista.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ufoss:
Hi;

i want to rom upgrade.

But has a alot of w6.5 rom in here.

What is the official latest rom for wm6.5

is it latest and official WM 6.5 23016

thanks answer
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
theres NO official WM6.5 yet. It hasn't been formally released.

what you're seeing are leaked versions..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ufoss:
thanks for reply

but has a new htc mobile device with original wm6.5?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
As stated by fards, there has been no official release of wm6.5 yet. All official releases can be found on HTC website or in wiki here.

If you want a wm6.5 rom you will need USPL or HSPL on device first and then flash a cooked rom.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sosojerk:
There IS a windows 6.5 final version.

Here you can see that BGR confirms it:

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/08/02/final-build-of-windows-phone-shown-off/

We don't know exactly which build is final under the name of Windows Phone.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] katabroc:
Does anyone know what ROM is this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP9PQ5iWFzM ?

Thanks!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Yes, but as stated nothing has been released officially by MS, just leaked and then cooked into roms.

Original query answered, closing thread
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] corleno:
Hy Guys,

I just hard spld my HTC Touch HD and all the colors of the screen look

oil smudged every time i boot up the device.

The htc logo , the wm6.1 screen have this problem

and after i refresh the screen (sleep button) it comes back to normal.

and everytime i reset the phone its the same thing until I refresh the screen

can anyone help me out ??

thank you

the attached image is a render of how horrible the screen looks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] TronC:
Bad flash? Probably no HardSPL installed?

I suggest you read the Dummies Guide to see if you flashed correctly.

Then you can follow the steps to get your Blackstone normal again :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rica2000:
from OliNex's post:

1) download Hard-SPL package from attachment, use 1.56 HSPL (HSPLWrapper_Blackstone_156OliNex.zip ) if you want to use new 1.5x ROMs. then extract to an empty folder.

NOTE: 1.14 HSPL (the original Unsigned_HardSPL_for_Blackstone_OliNex.zip) is good for only older ROMs, 1.56 HSPL (HSPLWrapper_Blackstone_156OliNex.zip) is good for newer ROMs. 1.56 is not backwards compatible with old ROMs. the incompatible ROM will still boot but screen is going to look funny which is a temporary issue but uncomfortable.

read more here
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KilZone:
You flashed a 1.56+ ROM without having the 1.54 SPL! As suggested, use the Dummies Guide to flash HSPL. Or if you want to use USPL flash an official 1.56+ ROM first! (Then reflash this one.)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Common problem, posted countless times before. Try a little research before starting new thread. Any further problems, post in Dummies Guide thread

Thread closed
[Shift General] Sheepster:
Is it possible to reprogramme the functions of the Comms Manager and the Resolution Changer buttons that are next to the mousepad?