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[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] mysterd:
As was already stated on many threads, multitouch is not just a software problem. It requires special hardware.

This piece of hardware must be, for the time being, a "capacitive screen", such as the iphone one. Many manufacturers work at this time on implementing multi-touch on resistive screens (such as the one of the diamond or diamond 2), but it requires an additional hardware chip.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] opensea:
Is TD2 devices WM7 compatible?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure General] Overloaded:
Ehh... WM6.5 isn't even released yet...

But i don't think it will be compatible, like hardware and stuff.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Great Malaki:
I think so and I will tell you why. I have been following this phone since it was announced long ago. I to have been a proud HTC device owner but these days I am not so proud anymore.

I am a Windows Mobile fan. Currently I am using my old trusty or not so trusty these days HTC Kaiser/TYTN2. I became a big fan of the tilt feature. I am a tmobile user so back when the Kaiser was released not having 3g bands was not an issue because tmobile did not have 3g. I bought the Euro version and paid top dollar.

Since then its been hacked and modded to reduce glitches and increase speed but lets face it. The keyboard is worn and almost all keys require a super hard press due to wear and tear. Also the screen is tiny by todays standards. I didnt buy the Euro version of the TP2 because I live in the US and 3g is now an issue. So I waited for the tmobile release now confirmed for aug 12th. Right around the corner!

Those of you who didn't wait seem to be reporting endless bugs and glitches not to mention hardware problems. It is driving me nuts to the point that I am shying away from the TP2 hype. I have been following all the TP2 threads here and its bads news after bad news. Very different from when you all 1st got it.

Please someone speak some positive stuff otherwise I may end up holding onto my Kaiser for another year. Final rant.....the specs could be better. Damn Iphoney has an 800mhz processor and HTC just holds back!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Supertrooper:
I absolutely love it. I have not one problem with it, except for the battery door. I had to modify it a little but know its fine. Out of the 4 HTC phones I have owned, I think this is the best by far. Good luck with your findings.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sakshaug007:
Although I won't argue with you, the touch pro2 is a great phone for what it's intended for which is business users. It is lacking a bit hardware wise for multimedia and gaming, since it pretty much has the same processor and memory as its predecessor. It is for this reason that I am still trying to decide between the TP2 and samsung omnia II since it has the faster processor and beautiful AMOLED screen. So if you are shying away from the TP2 I would recommend the omnia II or the omnia pro (has hardware keyboard). Even though it annoyingly lacks a built in stylus (but thats just me).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
Its probably not wear and tear. Its the same thing that happens with TV remotes. Over time, the oils from your fingers seep through the buttons and interfere with the contacts. If you were to take the keyboard appart and wipe down the contacts, no garauntee, but I bet it would work like new.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] henh:
i think most of the problems people have (including myself) on their TP2 is 3rd party softwares imcompatable to the new UI on TP2. hope HTC will offer an update for TP2 sooner than September.

if you turn away from it for Samsung OmniaHD, make sure buy it from a local Samsung stores or from your mobile operator. i've been in a deep problem trying to get my Omnia i900 fixed. i bought my i900 from an idiot ebay seller named Cutrategoods70. when my i900 bricked from a firmware update, i tried to contact that idiot, never get a reply. i emailed SS service center in UK (coz SS US & Canada never heard of this model), thay told me to send to them. 5 weeks later they sent it back & said they not support "foreign unit". emailed SS Singapore & Malaysia, they said the same thing. Becareful when you buy a Samsung on ebay or internet stores

good luck for you finding the right device
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vakbrain:
I think is totally normal to see so many posts about defects / bugs. Usually, peoples who post threads here need help with something. If everyone posted a thread about "Everything's fine with my TP2" when their TP2 is working flawlessly ... well... it would be pretty useless to do that.:rolleyes:

Think about it : it's normal to find broken cars in a car dealer's garage. It doesn't mean the car model is crap.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solsearch:
I second that. You will normally see threads asking how to improve things or how to fix things.

Most of the posts here are when people need something, find something that they think could help others, and that's about it. The closest thing you can find to general chat would be the speculation on future support or release dates.

In forums for my last phone you saw threads on how to fix things, and for new software made for it (as a closed platform it had to be hacked and forums where the few places you could get software for the OS, unlike Winmo).

If you'll notice many of the threads are duplicates, and some of the complaints are somewhat invalid as the phone was never designed to do X thing (a prime example are the complaints that the Euro version doesn't support North American 3G bands.

Every phone will have defects and problems unless it's a very well built dumb phone. The question is, just how many people are having said problems, and out of how many satisfied customers without those problems?

Like vakbrain said, you're not going to find a new thread singing the praises of the phone from every person who is happy with it. It'd be extremely tedious, boring, and space consuming.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] AdamDawes:
I love my TP2. I bought it SIM-free so it was quite an investment of cash, but I think it was worth every penny. It has the odd glitch here and there, but then so does any piece of complex modern equipment. I'd fully recommend it without any hesitation at all.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
I think my TP2 is great! Ive alerady installed some handy apps to it. Havent had any issues with the device itself really, more like things relating to it. Finding a Good belt clip case for it seems to be a challenge, and Finnic isnt finished yet, so it runs like crap. I would have liked to have a 3.5mm jack on it, but im dealing with the adapter. I do wish TouchFlo had its own Slide to Unlock on it, but meh. i have s2u2 for the moment.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] henh:
hi Lyian, could you please tell me does s2u2 work ok on yours?

i installed the WQVGA v2.04, it doesn't look right to me since everything so small & sticking together. VGA version look normal on my screen. other thing is when i set On Battery Power>Blank Screen on Talk, it works once, try the 2nd time the screen off then back on again. any idea to config it right?

thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] leanne:
I am using S2U2 on mine and it works fine. I am using the VGA version and it's flawless.

I love my Pro2!! no problems at all!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] andrew-in-woking:
One big difference

Hi all

Thought I'd add a comment.

The one big difference between my Touch Pro2 and every other HTC phone is that the TP2 works extremely well out of the box and while some people are annoyed with all the bundled software (i.e. M3D and it's incalculable extensions) I actually think that this makes is a better device and would rather have more of this than less.

The point is: It does everything I want it to almost out of the box. This has not been the case with any other HTC device I have owned/used.

Best wishes

andrew-in-woking
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajb303:
Thank you. I'm waiting for it to come out (couple weeks near me). Can't wait, watched plenty of unboxing videos and walkthroughs. *fist pump* Im ready lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xlinkx:
I wouldn't recommend the OMNIA II or PRO because they have only 137MB of RAM. That's hardly enough to run any software. I was really looking forward to the new OMNIA phones but it's a big disappointment with the lack of ram. I do admit other specs on the phone looks great but without the right amount of ram, the phone is very limited.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Rastabaxus:
No Fail

Had my TP2 for just over a week now, so still getting used to it but I've had absolutely NO issues with it, so far it has surpassed my expectations. It seems fast, responsive and I like the functionality.

The guys who point out that people write in to forums with problems are absolutely correct. People don't just write in to say "I love it" most people here seem to be advanced users, happy to tweak and hack their phones to get that extra 10% out of them.

I'm a business user, I don't anticipate playing many games (that's what the DS/PSP etc. are for) and as a business user I think this phone rocks!

My anti-fail 2c!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mcspikesky:
No problems at all with mine. Very impressed, kicks my TP's ass in every department except LED flash.

Brilliant phone, top marks to TF3d too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tduck:
Well, I haven't gotten a TP2 yet - still waiting for AT&T to release theirs - in the meantime I'm living with my 2.5 year old Virgin Mobile USA prepaid phone, but ready to make the leap to a contract.

What I can say is that the phenomenon where everyone writes in to a forum (especially a big one like XDA) about their issues makes the problems seem much worse than they actually are. For every person posting here about a problem there are at least 2 more that have had NO problem and wouldn't even think of coming to an online forum to solve issues with their phone.

For example, I bought an Asus EeePC last fall, and went to the premier EeePC forum at the time to see what others were saying - it sounded depressing too! Everyone with issues. Then I realized that A) people wouldn't go to a forum to solve a problem if they didn't love the device and wanted to keep it, they'd just get rid of it if they didn't like it, and B) the people who come to forums are device tweakers who must have things just so (I'm one of them too) and thus are looking for feedback regarding their particular pet peeve or issue caused by the one program they just MUST use. People complained about cracks in the hardware, or messed up keyboards, or whatever, but I've thrown my EeePC 1000H in and out of airports plenty of months and it has yet to be less than 100% satisfying, other than the $150 drop in price over when I bought it 10 months ago!

So, what I'm saying is, this is a phenomenon unique to the interwebz and electronics junkies in general, so don't be discouraged by all the negatives around here, in the end we're all just questing to make an amazing device even closer to perfect.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aquasesh:
I must agree with Andrew. I own about 15 HTC phones, starting with the Wallaby, back in 2002. When I unboxed my TP2, I immediately thought 'what do I have to modify now?'. But it worked perfectly out of the box and i havent modified anything. I only installed my connection and Coreplayer... Simply good.

One flaw however is the resolution, which is incompatible with some of my software. But those titles are not vital for me.

So, now I am waiting for the next big hit... HTC SUPERSTAR...where are you??????
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
The WQVGA is the wrong version for the TP2, you want the VGA version (WQVGA is for smaller resolution phones like the Tilt)

I would say it does work 'ok' on mine. I do have an issue with it here and there that i wont go into here, but for the most part, it doest what i want it to, which is, to keep me from accidentally calling people lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TheMan42:
OP needs to stop worrying, TP2 is a fantastic device and also get off the apple hype bs, iPhone doesn't have an 800mhz processor lol, more like around 600 for the 3GS, even less for the 3G.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] VizagDude:
I am eagerly waiting for this device. I have even sold my Touch HD which I miss dearly in preparation for this one. In the mean time, I have pre-ordered myTouch 3G from Tmo USA. Though it was a great phone, for some reason, since rooting this device was not available yet... I returned it only after a week of use. Now I am on BB 8900 Curve (Which I LOVE) and waiting for the TP2 to come out on the 12th here. Another 6 more days baby...

Lets hope it works the way I am hoping it would. If not I am back to get another Touch HD.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] henh:
Thanks Lyian, i use VGA version too. only problem i have is can't get screen locked when talk, it work once every time i re-install it. can't figure out why.:confused: the rest work fine
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ckinwing:
so far so good for me
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
(HTC Touch Pro 2 = Fail? I think so) = fail: go and read some reviews & the 'got mine' thread!

The HTC Pro2 is the / one of the best phones ever made. The keyboard is fantastic, the screen is impressive, the software is a big spep forward from HD, the quality is very high. Also, if you don't like something in the software, you can change it!

To say it's a 'fail' is utter folly. Honestly, just buy one and you'll understand.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] whatledog:
Originally Posted by Lyian

The WQVGA is the wrong version for the TP2, you want the VGA version (WQVGA is for smaller resolution phones like the Tilt)

Just for the record, WQVGA is for the likes of the Omnia and Incite. VGA is for the TPro. QVGA is for the Tilt. WVGA is for the TP2.:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] piannetta:
Well, had mine for over a month and LOVE it - no problems that couldn't be fixed with a tweak or two, it's by far the best device I've ever had.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gregorypleau:
Just upgraded to mine, from the Touch Vogue. This is my 5th generation Windows Mobile device - starting at the Cassiopeia E11 (anyone else remember back when they didn't have phones!).

By far this is the best WM device I've ever put my hands on. Yes, there are some M3D / TF3D irritations (alarms don't repeat: fix - install SPB Time, Can't select a snooze time on reminders).

Out of the box it does 98% of what I want my PDA & Phone to do. It does appear that the Telus version is lacking the FM Radio but really - I've got a 16GB MicroSD in there with enough tunes to get me by nicely.

I'm not 100% sold on TF3D - might switch back to SPB Shell, but the hardware is superb, and will suit most people nicely.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] The Great Malaki:
Thanks for all the responses. 1st off though people stop making assumptions such as get off the Iphones hype and read reviews for TP2 etc etc.....

Believe me I am no fool and I do my homework on devices before plunging my hard earned cash into one. I am NOT on the Iphones hype and I did read that it does have an 800mhz processor on various sites. Am I sold no! I have never had an Iphone and never will because I am not interested in an Ipod with a phone feature.

I use my TYTN2 mostly for business so the lack of multimedia does not bother me to much ( I do have a hacked DS and PSP ) although it would be nice to improve in that department. I have read endless reviews on the TP2 both good and bad but mostly good. I was pumped about TP2 but HTC and windows mobile/microsoft have taken me on some pretty unhappy roller coaster rides with previous devices. I am combining that with all the complaints here and it seems like the same ugly ride all over again.

I remember being pissed to bloody hell when I found out my Kaiser had no drivers. I am aware of people trying to improve on a device. I am all for it believe me. I just hate it when you pay so much for something and it gets released all buggy. I had to add so much to my Kaiser to get it working the way I wanted it. Wouldn't it be a nice fresh change if everyone did bore you with an "I love it" post and for once there was nothing to complain about. Just fresh additions and apps to add? Sound like heaven? I think so.

Modding and hacking can be fun. Its always nice to improve a device, but for once wouldn't you all like to enjoy a windows mobile device made by HTC that was near perfect outta the box? Something you didnt have to patch or fix but something you could improve by adding to? I am tired of overpriced bugged up devices and you should be to.

I am not considering any Omnia. I am probably going to buy the TP2 anyway and patch it up to all hell with the help of this great site. Or I will hold onto my TYTN2 for another year. Honestly the specs dont impress me so much over this old TYTN2. Better keyboard and screen are awesome hardware improvements for sure though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lovelldr:
I'm sure I read also that the iphone has a 800 mhz processor, but just that it's been limited to run much slower (around 500mhz iirc) to save the battery life on it... How true this is I'm not sure, but that's what I read a while back...

As for a htc model out of the box that works, if you read all of the posts in here, you will find that you are pretty much gonna be happy with the tp2 then. I, like others, am pretty happy with my tp2. There are a few times when it bugs out, and times when you will need to alter settings etc (such as to get 2 way recording of conversations etc). But it is a good device which does most of what you want straightaway!

Go for it!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tduck:
I hear you and agree with you! At the same time, having researched carefully all my options for OSes on different mobile devices, be it Nokia, Android, IphoneOS, BB, Winmo, etc... I think I'd rather be using an OS that IS configurable to the level Winmo is, with a huge community of people who are trying all these different things, too. I don't want to have to "jailbreak" my phone to be able to tweak settings, and I don't want to be controlled by an App store scheme that literally censors dictionaries because they contain swear words - ahem, Applee. The fact that Winmo IS so moddable is something that, while at times can be annoying, I think ends up being much more enjoyable in the long run. And a community like XDA is absolutely essential to the enjoyability factor.

Unfortunately until I can get my mobile phone to look and work perfectly like my desktop PC, no handset will be ever be perfect :( Sigh. I think that might be the fundamental problem at the bottom of all these different hacks and mods going on... we're all looking for an experience that was never really intended for a mobile phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Tourist!:
GREAT PIECE OF MACHINE !!

absolutly loving it

had it for a month now - NO problems at all !

dumped ALL my 3rd party apps ! (spb ms3, vito smschat, funcontacts, spb weather, memaid... and more...)

keep in mind I have a foreign language on it (well... foreign to you...) which slows it down and it's still almost unnoticeble

GO BUY ONE ALREADY !!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imperiallight:
I hoping the Xperia X2 materialises around October like its supposed to. Will prob . get a TP2 till then tho.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] MimicZ:
Just got my TP2

I wasn't able to find anything on this so I'm wondering if my phone is defective...My phone is stuck in a loop...1.I plug the phone in it will charge for 5 minutes then try to start up2.The charging will stop during the boot up (on it own)3.I imagine there's not enough battery power so the phone will shut offAnd this will go on in a continuous loop. Also I can't stop it from booting up so that makes it worse...I just bought the phone and let the battery drain down the for the first time and it started looping this way. Very odd. I have 2 other HTCs (8925 and 8525) and never had this problem...So I'm wondering is it 1. The Software (config)2. The Battery3. The phoneI've searched the internet and it seems like I'm the only one having this problem...Any help would be appreciated!Thanks!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sudsboy:
Play briefly with X2 prototype today in Thailand Mobile Expo... very nice device.. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
I'd say defective device, but you can try taking the battery out, plugging the power in, powering the device on, after it's booted put the battery back in to charge it. If it's powering on immediately I doubt it's the software, and if it powers on immediately with the battery out you can rule that one out too.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] incredulous:
The latest iPhone has the most powerful Samsung chip in it so far and that still only clocks at 600Mhz.

I am getting my TP2 for free next week as part of my Vodafone Staff Contract, from what I have read and seen the Rhodium is still probably the best PPC available at the moment. Throwing in the fact that the Official WM6.5 update for the TP2 comes on Tuesday, I can't wait!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cmd512:
The Touch Pro 2 has met and exceeded all of my expectations as well. And, I'm coming from a pretty solid Nokia business smartphone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] das7771:
In the past year I have owned the LG Dare, the Samsung omnia I910, the blackberry storm and now the TP2. Not to mention the other smart and dumbphones the years before. The TP2 is by far the best phone I have owned to date. It worked perfectly out of the box, I have about twenty games that play flawlessly on it and have spent countless hours tweeking things on it. This phone is what I have been waiting for and once HSPL comes out for CDMA its only going to get better. I think I will acutally keep this phone for more than a year.....LOL.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lord_BlackAdder:
Have the TP 2 for a bit over a month now. Love it very much and so far haven't even bother to flash a cooked ROM yet as the Telstra ROM works very well right out of the box. The only thing I have changed is the theme to suit my personal taste. Hardware and software wise, TP2 is the best so far on the market. My friend showed my his Samsung Omina 2 which is quite a nice phone. But I don't like the user interface. In my opinion, HTC Touch FLO is the best out there. Better than the WM 6.5 Titanium. Better than the iPhone (which is really jus a launcher). Better than the Android (though Sense UI from HTC gives Android a facelift).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] HTC Touch Freak:
The 3Gs has a 600mhz processor.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bundin:
I too am very happy with my TP2. I flashed another rom only to change the language from Dutch to English, just installed the stock WWE.

I don't use much of the eyecandy, hardly play games (except good old Solitaire), don't really watch many videos (apart from the occasional Youtube clip) so I'm perfectly happy with the relatively old processor. Like many others I had a TyTN II before this one and on that phone I flashed countless ROMs and installed many 3rd party applications, all to try to improve the UI responsiveness. On my TP2, I only added Total Commander and Advanced Config, nothing else seems needed.

Best features for me:

- the keyboard, big, responsive

- the improved (compared to Kaiser) resolution, while keeping the UI running smooth

- the decent sound quality in (auto-)handsfree mode

The one negative point:

- no Tab key on the keyboard

While waiting for a Snapdragon phone may be interesting, phones are like computers. You can keep waiting for the next model forever, something good will always be just over the horizon :)