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[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
So BUY one. Its not that complicated. You walk into any electronics store, hand them $10 and say you want a cig-lighter to mini-usb charger, they hand you one. Done. And if you say that you can't afford a $10 adapter, I'll say you can't afford a $400 phone or a $35 piece of software.
[G1 Apps and Games] magicman1987:
i have problems with copilot

im in the uk, and i have problems with my gps in general, i can get a accurate to 500 meters gps, but i just cant get a good enough signal to use gps software in my car like copilot and andnav,

anyone else have this problem in the uk, london?

id like to hear from people in london about thier gps, i was wondering if the gps was broken or something, but it does pick up my location 2 500 meters.

any1 got info on this?

kinda bummed, i really wanted the gps on this phone more then anything else, great phone apart from this one problem im having,:(
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
That is NOT a GPS lock. That is location-by-celltower and is accurate to within the range of the currently connected tower.

Your GPS can be in 3 states; off, on but not locked, locked. You can tell if it is on but not locked by the BLINKING GPS ICON in your status bar. If the GPS is locked, the GPS ICON will be SOLID. You need to make sure (through the settings menu) that the GPS is actually enabled. It can take a while for the GPS to actually lock on -- up to several minutes and MUST have a good view of the sky without having a lot of crap around to block or reflect signals.
[G1 Apps and Games] nurre:
in my experience the gps on the G1 is more accurate and locks faster than anything else I've had, including dedicated car gps's and external gps's.

And it is accurate, but it of course requires to lock on before it gets accurate.
[G1 Apps and Games] Fr0stbyteX:
Hawaii?

Does the North American CoPilot contain maps for Hawaii?

Also, can anyone comment on the detail of the maps / POI database vs. a Garmin or other dedicated device?
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
Yes.

vs. Tomtom (since I have one and not a garmin): copilot maps are much better, they show many roads that are not on tomtom, and have NAMES of many "unnamed" roads on tomtom. POI database (at least for canada) is non-existent. There are POIs for US, but I can't comment on the quality vs. anything since I haven't had the opportunity to check them.
[G1 Apps and Games] Fr0stbyteX:
Thanks

Thanks lbcoder! Sounds like I might be buying this app now!
[G1 Apps and Games] g1g:
MOD EDIT: Post Content Removed - Please don't request warez.
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
No, and I have reported your post to moderators.
[G1 Apps and Games] g1g:
what does that mean you reported my post ???? wtf:confused:
[G1 Apps and Games] skeeedup:
copilot vs telenav

as a gps standalone app, i do like copilot a lot better than telenav, although sometimes it does become unresponsive when selecting buttons. ive had telenav since february 09 and i have switched to copilot because of the price. when driving, i like to play music (imeem or tunewiki) and ive noticed with telenav, i can switch over to the music app to skip songs or change the station. when switching back with telenav, it stays on the current route, but with copilot, it restarts from the home screen. i find myself waiting to skip songs with copilot until i have a few miles till the next turn, which is a little annoying, but it is worth a one time fee.
[G1 Apps and Games] brandenk:
Same thing if you receive a phone call while driving. I was trying out CoPilot for the first time yesterday while headed to a new hospital but I got a call about 2 minutes from my destination, even with rejecting the call the app still had to reload and it took a minute for me to pick up where I left off. In general its an awesome app and a worthy investment.
[G1 Apps and Games] flumps:
i brought and refunded it after it couldnt find where i wanted to go in central london. ive since installed the hooky version which is floating around and have used it outside london without an issue. it just pi$$ed me off that after spending £53+ it couldnt even get me where i wanted to go in a major city. when tomtom comes out for android i will gladly buy that tbh.
[G1 Apps and Games] xavier6303:
I have it...I've used it alot....and I love it! Best nav so far! The GUI could be a bit more responsive but for $35 I wasnt expecting much....It delivered way beyond my expectations though
[G1 Apps and Games] dqjianghao:
it that possible to convert some other source map to copilot map?

i can not find my country map
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
I had Telenav with sprint and got co-pilot for android. Seems like co-pilot does not have the same level of voice details. It tells me to turn left when what I need to do is make a u-turn.
[G1 Apps and Games] Chahk:
Awesome app. I only wish it spoke major highways like my Q5W does.
[G1 Apps and Games] beartard:
Being "the best app there is (for Android...in its genre)" doesn't make it "awesome" or "great" or anything else. Co-pilot, as far as I know, is the only one-time-fee, turn-by-turn navigator on the market that doesn't require a data signal to work. So as such, it's good to have, even for the price.

But having said that, I'd never rely on co-pilot for anything if I were in an area with a 3G signal. I bought it solely for emergency situations where I'm outside a GSM coverage area and need a map. Google Maps (especially with the latest updates where the map moves rather than my "point") outperforms co-pilot in almost every way. Only it doesn't talk back.

But about that, co-pilot consistently tells you to turn when it's far too late to safely make a turn. If you have to be that ready in advance, the whole point of a turn-by-turn navigator goes out the window...which is what you'd quickly want to do with your G1 if you used co-pilot regularly for city driving. ;)

It eventually does what it says it should, but if it were the only navigation app for Android, I would've long since switched phone platforms. It's a cheap alternative to a standalone nav unit, but you have to emphasize "cheap."
[G1 Apps and Games] nurre:
Now I haven't used it much for driving lately, but when I tested it it was completely useless. Driving directions are nice and accurate, but if you pick a different route you need to take up the phone, go into driving directions, select your own location again and click update. Now I know some of this was rectified in updates, but I'm guessing they still don't auto update (as that's due to licensing of the maps).

You can change that in settings to your preference.
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
So what are our options for Turn by Turn voice other than Co-pilot or Telenav?
[G1 Apps and Games] daveid:
Co-Pilot consistently tells me to turn before each turn. My only issue with it is one of the maps not knowing that all the streets in Baltimore are one way, and it routes directions that take you the wrong way. Fortunately, I know the streets are one way here, so I ignore that. For all other intents and purposes (even POI when we needed to pull off on a trip for gas) it is spot on. It quickly re-calculates routes, you can avoid any road on your trip (good to get out of a traffic jam). The live traffic alerts help you to properly route your trip, the voice is so much better then the Android TTS.

My only other gripe with it is that even though it includes "walking" directions, it doesn't detect movement when I am walking, so it never updates my position. Other than that (and the wrong way on one-way street thing), I believe they have done an incredibly good job with the program.
[G1 Apps and Games] Chahk:
There is a setting for that. You can control how far before the turn it will notify you. I've found the default setting quite sufficient.

I'll take it over other alternatives currently available on the Android platform.
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
What about Ndrive?
[G1 Apps and Games] Nask26:
Ive had Telenav for about 2 months now and I just bought Copilot hoping to just use it when I wasn't in a data zone. I don't know if its just the Arizona maps or what but it is horrible. Ive tried to add about 12 addresses to favorites and its only found 2 of them. My house is coming up as restricted so nothing will route from it. I think I am going to just refund it and wait for something else to come along. I could understand if the addresses were brand new homes or areas but almost all of them are at least 10 year old locations. Anyone else in AZ having these problems? Ive had no issues with telenav finding these locations or having a problem with my house.
[G1 Apps and Games] palosjr:
i have had the same problems here in texas. i was just going to test it when i was making a trip to a friends house across town. when through destinations process and found the city, but no luck on the street name...
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
I'm in Texas too. Tried co-pilot again, just dreadful. It found the street but took me in the wrong direction. Almost never got the street put in there, then got a call and it dropped me and I had to start over again. Worthless.
[G1 Apps and Games] stopjockingme@gmail.com:
I wouldnt recommend getting co-polit, but i WILL recommend you guys getting a Garmin Nuvi 265wt!

I used both and the co-pilot is just way to slow, speak volume sucks, no place to mount phone unless you buy a mount.

nothing better then a actual gps navi.
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
Installed Telenav this morning. Even the setup was easier, also finding the street address was a breeze compared to NO-pilot.

I had Telenav for over a year on my blackberry Curve with sprint and 2g. Going to test Telenav today and will report back my thoughts. Yeah, I know it costs 10.00 a month but for 120.00 a year and having a gps that works and not have to carry another device is a big bonus for me. We'll see today how well it works on the G1.

I know a little bit about GPS. I ran one in my PDA, with a compact flash GPS receiver, also ran GPS from my laptop and BT GPS receiver. I have also had a couple of stand alone units including the Nuvi so my point of reference might be different than some people. I've spent considerable time on the GPS forums in years past. I need it in my job.

One thing seems clear after trying Co-pilot twice now, Co-pilot needs a massive rework and frankly I'm better off using a paper folding map. Co-pilot is a no-pilot for me but YMMV. Let's see how Telenav does today.
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
In case anyone wants to know more. It "seems" the G1 has the SIRFstarIII chip. That's a good thing. The SIRFIII will pick up more birds (satellites) and less likely to drop signal if you're downtown and surrounded by tall buildings for example. I found references to starIII here http://www.google.com/#hl=en&source=hp&q=SIRFstarIII+t-mobile+g1&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=9b1c6ebfff7f9103 so we are in good shape as far as hardware.

Here's something interesting. As I had TeleN on my BB with sprint and my SAME phone number, when I connected to telenav and check recent places, it saved all my recent searches from months ago. In other words it synced my favorites even though this is a brand new install. Pretty slick.

With Co-pilot it showed my location on the other side of the street from my home and said within 5000 feet. TN show me exactly where I am and within 100 feet. The UI is at least 2x faster and I'm being kind to No-pilot.
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
Ok, first off when on co-pilot and you get a call it knocks you off gps and you have to start all over. UGH. With Telenav, you get a call, take it and close the call and gps is running in the background and does NOT drop you. Huge +++ plus for TN.

Another thing, the TN UI is much cleaner AND TN even uses parts of your g1 theme. I'm running the AeroBlack theme and TN uses those styles when it can like on buttons and status bars.
[G1 Apps and Games] jlacy76:
I took Telenav for android for a spin today. It worked well and probably better than the Blackberry version. It was accurate to about 30 feet or less. If I missed my turn it would say re-routing in 100 feet or so and that was me up to 40mph speed.

One thing I did really like is when Telenav started it also started GPS without me toggling and when I shut down Telenav, it also shut down GPS without me toggling. If I remember correctly, Co-pilot forced me to start and stop GPS manually. The UI is simply much faster and more intuitive.

One thing I also noticed was the female voice difference. Co-pilot sounded sexy and a bit cheesy. Phone sex with your GPS? LOL, Telenav on the other hand was more professional.

Telenav is simply a more polished product, that's the bottom line and it's not even close. I uninstalled co-pilot for the last time today. May it rest in peace.
[G1 Apps and Games] krs1961:
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[G1 Apps and Games] lpasq:
over a 24-hour period of copilot torture, i'm hating it and won't try it again unless 1) i get a timely refund and 2) future versions download maps better over wifi, pc app has less conflict with device, phone calls don't cause re-acquiring location.
[G1 Apps and Games] djlucklu:
VA-FL and back

my experience with copilot has been great so far..i don't think the maps are all the way complete but it took me From Virginia-Miami,FL and back so it was great plus it runs in the background when you return to your home screen. Got home quick with it i give it a 8.5/10
[G1 Apps and Games] gtrplr71:
I am pretty sure walking direction are the same as driving only slower.
[G1 Apps and Games] Chahk:
Except when the freeway is involved.
[G1 Apps and Games] f4phantomii:
I'll vouch for CoPilot as well. They've made three or four updates available since the initial release to fix various bugs....one of which was that the GPS/app stopped running in the background if you switched to another app. The latest version fixed that and it will now run continuously in the background unless you explicity exit the app.

I'll also agree it's a bit laggy, but that has also improved with recent updates, although still a bit slower than I'd like.

The POI's in the US aren't fantastic, but passable. Overall I'd be happier if you could search for a POI on Google Maps and pass that info to CoPilot for the routing.

Of course I wish Google would grow a set and provide realtime navigation....they'd put everyone else out of the market if they did.

But I still highly recommend it. It's virtually the only standalone GPS app available, and you can't beat the price for what you get. It's at least as good as any $99 GPS device you'll buy retail. I too agree that any GPS app that relies on a network connection is virtually worthless.
[G1 Apps and Games] Bedeadu:
Installation question for CoPilot

I figured a lot of you in this thread are using co-Pilot, so figured I would ask a question about it here, hopefully someone can answer this.

I have used Co-Pilot on a few different ROM's, and first off, very please with the app, seems to work great for myself. My question is, why and what is being installed on the actual phone? I have installed several times, running ROM's with APP2SD already activated. It seems to install on my ext3 partition on my Mem. Card. So, why does it still take up 9MB or so of free memory on my actual phone? Since I have installed a few times, I am fairly sure this isn't just me, so really I am curious what is being installed on the phone and why it is done this way?

Anyone?
[G1 Apps and Games] AdamPI:
In the /data/data/ directory where most apps store their settings and stuff, copilot installs an 8 meg "libcopilot.so", which is like a dll on linux.
[G1 Apps and Games] joephein:
Hi all, One tip for downloading the maps: do not use your wifi even on your desktop with Copilot Central. It does not work very well. Downloading the maps using a cable connection (ethernet) is without any problems however.

Also I discovered that after partial downloading the maps first directly on the Android device there are no licensed regions available anymore in Copilot Central.

Deleting the whole "EU" or "NA" folder on your SD card makes the licensed regions again blue in Copilot Central and you can start downloading using your desktop.
[G1 Apps and Games] underamoon:
Very wacky -- hopefully this gets resolved. I don't have access to anything but wireless.
[G1 Apps and Games] CodeMonkey:
No issues with wireless downloading here..

Problem with your connection / supplier maybe?
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
It could also be issues with the way he has his sdcard formatted... i.e., it needs to be able to support files larger than the size of the archive. It is also necessary to have more than double the size of the download available on the sdcard (download archive, then extract it, then delete archive).
[G1 Apps and Games] jay652:
I'm wondering if CoPilot can do the following:

I currently live in DC, and usually bike from here to there. Of course, it's a bit of a pain to keep pulling my phone out to check my directions when riding the bike, so I'd like to be able to hear turn-by-turn directions through by stero A2DP headphones while riding. Essentially, I'd like to be able to enter an address into the phone, put the phone in my pocket, and be notified through the headphones whenever I need to turn.

Is this possible? And can I get walking directions instead of driving directions?

I'd also like to have the ability to listen to music while riding (which I do now), and have the GPS still notify me of turns. Ideally, I'd like for CoPilot to mute the music while the direction is being given -- like it does when I get a phone call -- but if they play simultaneously, that's fine too.

Has anyone had any luck with this?
[G1 Apps and Games] parrothd:
Got this from support the other day...

Thank you for contacting CoPilot Technical Support. Please follow the instructions below to download your map data without using Central

Please download the map below

North America (2.3gb required on device SD) - http://tinyurl.com/v8mapna

1) Download the above file to your PC

2) Connect your android device to your PC through a USB cable

3) On the device, drag the top bar down to the bottom of the screen and tap on USB connected

4) Select "Mount"

5) Ensure you have the correct amount of free space on your Storage Card (as above) otherwise it will not unpack correctly in step 8)

6) Copy the above file from your PC to your \SDCard\CoPilot\Save folder (on your device)

7) Once copy has finished disconnect your device from USB cable

8) Launch CoPilot

9) You should now see "Unpacking new data" - let this continue

10) Providing enough storage card free space is available you can now go into SETTINGS | DATA REGION and select your data region and you will now see the map

*** Note if you have downloaded anything other than Europe or North America you will be asked to select the region of your map within CoPilot in step 10

If you have any further questions, or feel that this incident has not been resolved to your satisfaction, please do not hesitate to bring this to our attention.

Regards,

CoPilot Technical Support

http://support.alk.com
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
Copilot will definitely give its reports over A2DP. As for playing music simultaneously with it... I have no idea. Never tried. If 'droid has a proper multi-track audio server, then it should be able to mux the two audio streams together, or if copilot is music-aware, it might be able to mute the audio when it is time to give a command. It is also quite possible that only one or the other will play, i.e., if you are playing music, copilot may not make any announcements at all.
[G1 Apps and Games] gkpk:
Thanks for this.

Seems like it takes forever downloading the map using wifi.

I'm dl the map with your directions right now.
[G1 Apps and Games] jay652:
Thanks! Maybe I'll give this a download and check it out.
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
.so = "Shared Object". WTF is a dll? Is that like a toy for women? :eek:
[G1 Apps and Games] w_yang:
A dll is a shared library for windows. dll is short for "dynamic link library"

Hey cool, looks like there's a new version of copilot on the marketplace, and this has qwerty!
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
That was a joke bub... as in windoze is such crap I wouldn't waste my time bothering to know it.

... about time that they put in a proper keyboard layout, but still WHY don't they use the built-in keyboard???!?!?
[G1 Apps and Games] lpasq:
after an irritating start with copilot8, i can now report that (for me) the nav program works pretty damn good. i agree that the keyboard blows compared to what it can be. otherwise, i have solid gps connectivity that has locked into decent accuracy and updates speedily. also, the nav map screen as well as option screens do the trick. tomtom on winmo was more streamlined but i have come to appreciate the depth of features available though settings. the recent email from user support is encouraging too. it reads...

"Dear CoPilot Live Customer,

We hope that you are enjoying finding your way with CoPilot Live v8 navigation on your smartphone.

Now we are pleased to announce a free new service to help you keep your CoPilot Live maps up-to-date:

ALK MapSure™ map updates.

CoPilot Live's digital street maps are continuously maintained and updated to include changes in the North American road network. With MapSure™ updates, we will provide these updates to you free of charge throughout the life of your product version.

Coming soon to your CoPilot Live

Free monthly map maintenance updates downloaded straight to CoPilot Live on your phone. These include emergency road closures, updates reported by users and other improvements.

Free quarterly full map updates. The very latest maps of North America will be available as a free download every quarter through CoPilot Central 2.0 desktop software, iTunes or Android Market.

45 day map update commitment. If you notice a road or an address that you believe needs updating, you can report it directly to us. We will verify the information, add it to our maps and distribute it to everyone through an update within 45 days.

Click here to report an update

We will also be issuing regular software improvements throughout the life of your software version in response to customer feedback. Depending on your phone, you'll be able to download these updates via CoPilot Central, The iPhone AppStore or Android Market."
[G1 Apps and Games] el-zilcho:
CoPilot is an ok program but their customer service stinks . I have found that the easiest way to put downloaded maps onto the SD card is , after installing and running CoPilot on phone and Central on the desktop , take SD out of the phone and put it in a card reader . Run Central and it will see the CoPilot folder on the SD . Copying maps this way takes me about 2 mins .
[G1 Apps and Games] lbcoder:
Support is for chumps. And their "central" software is totally useless. If you want the easiest way to install the map outside of running copilot (which actually downloads the maps just fine unless you do something really dumb), then download the map archive using a decent downloader (i.e. wget) and place it into /sdcard/copilot/save.
[G1 Apps and Games] w_yang:
I think it's just to annoy you, at this point.
[G1 Apps and Games] masterrn:
CoPilot

can anyone guide me as to how I can place my maps file in my copilot app on my G1?
[G1 Apps and Games] Henchman:
Well, when you PURCHASED the app, it downloads the map to the appropriate place.
[G1 Apps and Games] masterrn:
I downloaded my Maps using MY PC and my Copilot app is not picking up the maps file?
[G1 Apps and Games] Henchman:
use your phone to download the maps.

Or use the CoPilot app to intall them.
[G1 Apps and Games] masterrn:
lol yeah thank you buddy.
[G1 Apps and Games] Lieu10ant:
put them in /sdcard/copilot/save
[G1 Apps and Games] zender2k:
After you downloaded and transferred the map using Copilot Central and it still doesn't show up in the Copilot app do the following: Open Copilot on the phone, click the menu button>hit settings>and click "select data region">hit "ok",restart app.That's it.