yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
I hope this is ok here, I have searched a lot and my question is not directly answered (or I can not find it)

I have just had a new HD turn up, had one when they first came out but liked iPhone so much, could not stop using it, so Touch HD went back.

Just been through lots of different phones again, as at last I am finding iPhone limiting in the things I want to do. Just rejected a TP2 as it has no 3.3mm socket, and is a bit heavy, quite happy with soft keyboard now from iPhone use, so I think Touch HD will suit me fine.

OK, I really liked the TP2 feel, and software, but I also liked using SPB Mobileshell 3 on it, so I plan to use this on my HD.

Now, finally my question :-)

I have never understood why I might want to put a custom ROM on my device. I have read all the guides, and the dummies guide, but although that helps me understand HOW to do it, not sure why I would WANT to do it?

I can understand for those people that have a horrible Orange branded one or something, but mine is standard 1.56.405.1 from HTC, unbranded.

So, I see that Custom ROM can have programs already in them, and they add features like the new TF3D on the TP2, which I liked, but since I am gonna use SPB MS3 is there any point?

Sorry if I sound like a total noob, I really am not (just flashed an Orange Samsung i8910 from and to Orange 4 times so I can follow these things), but in the case of the i8910, I could see why I would flash new ROM, to get rid of Orange crap, but here, just really confused.

Thanks in advance for any insight, if I have posted in wrong place, please point me to correct place.

Kev
[Touch HD General] farqui:
I also use MS3 and have been wondering if it's worth upgrading to a new ROM as most are TFL3D.

I guess after upgrading to a new ROM that the provider details will need to be reset - but that's not a bigee as the OS looks up the details right ?

<draws up a chair>
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
A small list of pro's & con's below:

Pros:

- New features - A lot of new features first arrive on cooked roms like new touch flow interface from the new rhodium and topaz htc phones. Obviously most stock roms now have this, but originally they didn't. Without flashing, this wouldnt have been available.

- New manila which makes customization easier

- You can install new OSs such as windows mobile 6.5

- Various types of roms available, i.e. "lite" ROMs which have very little features and as a result are faster or "heavier" ROMs which tend to be a bit slower though gap in speed has dramatically decreased with newer versions.

- Have many features/apps already "cooked" into the ROM to save you installing them yourself after a hard reset

- Some have new drivers which improve performance.

- Some have custom interfaces

- Process isnt that hard once youve got hardspl/uspl sorted (and that gets easy after a short while too). its all run through an app on your computer with your HTC connected via activesync to your computer which is about as easy as installing a program (just click next, i agree etc.)

Con's

- Can take a bit of time to get used to the process. But once you have it becomes vry quick

- Need to use backup software as all your apps and contacts (everything on the main memory is wiped clean. Information on SD is left untouched). Recommend Sashimi, PIM Backup & SPB Backup.

If you use your HTC for more than just its basic features and want to get the most out of it, definately flash a new ROM. The performance increase is noticeable going from a stock ROM to a well cooked ROM. You'll have to use HSPL or USPL on your phone first. My mate cRaCKwHoRe has provided this excellent guide
[Touch HD General] suisen:
new manila which makes customization easier, offers landscape all over, better speed all over, even under heavy stress....my absolute favourite, Start is no longer that ugly WinMo '90s look-a-like square drop down menu, it's a program launcher i can open from any tab, program, whatever, so it's oh so easy to open anything from anywhere in two very fast and smooth clicks

can't even remember does the stock have whole Facebook profile linking to Contacts profile, saving pic and birthday (which i then sync to Outlook, which syncs it to Calendar)....oh, manila calendar, the WinMo thing is just awful, i'd rather use pen and paper

the whole experience is much much prettier, more user friendly and faster at that....with every update there's less WM and more manila, which is what everyone probably wants (from HTC or generally) :/
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
OK, so Manila and TF3D are exactly the same thing?

So assuming this is true, all the stuff I could do on the TP2 I had would be doable on this Touch HD if I put a cooked ROM with Manila 2.5 on?

Kev
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Thanks so much for taking the time to do that. I think I am getting.

As I ask someone else, Manila and TF3D are the same thing right?

So, this HardSpl and softSpl, I have read the guide, but am still not clear why I would use one over the other?

At first glance, it would make sense to only use Hard? Why might someone not want to do that?

Kev
[Touch HD General] suisen:
huh, i use USPL because it's a small program you run, it takes about 10sec to load and you're done, ready to flash....HSPL seemed like more hassle to begin with and USPL is really easy and simple :/ somehow even if i flashed 10 times a day, i wouldn't really see a problem with just running USPL :/

manila 2.5 is leaked, not officially out on any phone, 2.1 is out on TP2....and 2.5 is bugged, probably just a fun thing to try, not really use daily and seriously....2.0 and 2.1 are your every day options, and yes, probably everything on TP2 is in some of the ROMs cooked for Touch HD
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Ah, OK so USPL would be good for me as I do not intend to flash new ROM very often?

It seems HardSPL would be for people that would be flashing all the time?

I read the bit where you say you would use USPL even if flashing lots, but surely if you were, HardSPL would be better?

Ok, so forget 2.5 Manila then, (just saw a Video and thought it was common), look for ROM with 2.1?

What version do we have on stock HD?

Thanks for answering.

Kev
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
HSPL is an user-modified SPL that you have to flash to your phone. It overwrites the existing SPL on your device with a "hacked" one so to say. It allows you to bypass the HTC certificate check and flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone. You only have to flash it once and then you can flash roms anytime.

USPL is a temporary solution. It takes advantage of an exploit in the existing SPL and then loads a modified one to memory, effectively allowing the same thing as HSPL. However, since this is only memory-resident you have to do it each time you want to flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone, because this exploited state is lost upon reboot. With USPL you must still have the right version of the HTC SPL that is compatible with the rom you want to use.

Basic difference is that HSPL is permanent and voids warranty and USPL is temporary and thus doesn't void warranty. However, once you use HSPL you can flash any radio & rom any time you want, but with USPL you need to reuse it before every flash to new radio or rom.

If you put HSPL on your device you can remove it by following procedure at bottom on first post in this thread.

There are 2 versions of HSPL, 1.14 & 1.56. Make sure you use the correct version for whatever rom you intend to flash to, i.e.

HSPL 1.56 is for roms based on 1.56+

HSPL 1.14 is for roms based on pre 1.56
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Ok, go to settings tab in TF3D and scroll down to 'About'. It should state something like TouchFLO 3D 2.1.38147.5. I highlighted the version in bold i.e. In this case its manila version 2.1
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Ok, I think I need to flash a ROM, as I am finding the Touch HD a little less exciting than the TP2 I just sent back.

I liked the TP2 but it was heavy and had no 3.5mm jack, but it seemed quite a bit faster than this HD. Screen seemed much brighter as well, is that possible?

Anyway, now I have decided, I really don't have a clue what ROM to use. I have been reading this site for the last 4 hours, and am no further forward.

Kev
[Touch HD General] Wiggz:
I'm hoping to get some answers out of this thread as well Kev - without hijacking though :)

If I want to keep all my current program settings and the like, is there a foolproof method by which I can restore programs from a backup on my Stock rom, onto a newly flashed cooked ROM.

I am looking for the newer features of the latest manilla but I don't want to lose any of my current data and go through the process of reinstalling the programs again.

I have pimbackup so know that will be a synch!
[Touch HD General] suisen:
lol, well, Dutty 3.9XT is a huge hit, i love it and think it should be made stock, so you can go with that one....i also tried Laurentis26 latest one and it was lightning fast and smooth and is based on TP2 ROM so that's another option

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=537948

manila 2.1 can have an sms bug, not everyone has it, but even TP2 suffers from it and there's still no official HTC fix....some people can't send 2 sms in a row to a same person, i am one of them and that's why i stick to manila 2.0 :/
[Touch HD General] kevwright:
Hijack all you want mate, we will get better answers!

I want to flash before I get it all setup, and I need to hide my iPhone away, the screen is so much brighter than this HD :-(

I keep thinking though, all my old WM devices were based on standard software and SPB Pocket Plus, and I do like the standard today screen. With this in mind, how much will I benefit from a new ROM since they all seem to be based around really good inplementation of TF3D.

Kev
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Although a lot of roms are based around good implementation of TF3D, they are also cutomized for speed, performance & stability of phone overall. So a cooked rom should out perform a stock rom in almost all categories
[Touch HD General] Wiggz:
..and what about my particular question relating to restoration of stock rom backup (programs, not rom files obviously)
[Touch HD General] twisted-pixel:
Just to add my own view to this as I have had the same dilemma in the past.

I stayed with stock....basically because I have quite a few apps installed on my device, and it seems that almost every other day updates are coming out to cooked ROMs to fix bugs, and it takes half a day to reinstall my apps and set them up. if ROM updates are coming out every few days I would spend half my life updating to the new one to fix a bug and then having to reinstall my apps.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
am afraid there's no way to restore programs, they have to be reinstalled since flashing is just like hard reset/clear storage, deletes everything on the device (not the storage card) :/

also, with flashing you're upgrading manila and most other programs to latest released built, so you don't wanna restore old files as they might not work with newer versions :/

i use Outlook to re-sync my contacts and calendar and Microsoft MyPhone to restore sms messages....also have opera6.adr file on my storage card which i just copy into /Windows/Opera folder to restore my bookmarks....RSS Hub i set to use Storage Card for data, then it says i already have some settings there and asks do i want to overwrite, select no and i have my old channels set

rest i do by hand, but post-flash set up takes 30min once you get used to it :/ many programs/icons/stuff require a restart after installation, one just remembers which and does them one after the other and then, after you installed taskbar, clock, icons, s2u2, such, you do one restart and it's all done in minutes

@twisted-pixel: yes, it can happen that you flash weekly to correct bugs....however i'm on the same ROM now for month and a half, did flash last week, 3 times in a day, but i was bored and wanted to try out stuff :D went back to the same ROM again at the end of the day :D
[Touch HD General] xX SPION KOP Xx:
I have NRGZ28's ENERGY ROM, its worth flashing it, if for nothing else, the SPEED. My HD had all the 'Orange' crap on it and it was so slow compared to how it is now....go ahead....FLASH!! (your rom, that is):D:D
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Just to update you all on this.

Throy's latest roms have included an auto-install for apps when flashing. I've tried this and it works a charm. See quote below.

Only drawback on this is that all apps are installed onto main menu, so if you want any apps installed on your SD Card you will have to install them manually or alternatively use Sashimi backup which also auto-installs apps etc
[Touch HD General] twisted-pixel:
so, as someone who doesn't want to have to reflash every two days to fix a bug, what is a good STABLE and where possible BUG_FREE ROM that I could install?

I admit that my HD is sluggish on stock sometimes and is probably due a hard-reset anyway, but once done, I don't want to have to redo it next week as it takes me some time to install all my apps
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Problem here lies is that no rom is bug free. There are a few roms out that that are almost bug free, but there will be issues with all roms whether stock or cooked.

If your looking for stable roms your best bet is either Throys, Miri's or NRG's. Each chef has a number of roms, but generally their latest is most stable and bugless except for Throys R7. His R6 is more stable.

You could also read each rom thread to get an idea what, if any issues occur
[Touch HD General] twisted-pixel:
ok..so I tried Dutty R6.....and...some things are very nice...very very nice...but some things aren't!!

and I think it's the 'arents' that mean I'm going to go back to stock.

I hate the new IE, album, and phone pad layout...so back to stock I go for now
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
As always everyone is entitled to their own opinons

I'm closing thread as your queries have been answered. PM me if you would like thread reopened.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ricardo1000:
I've beed searching the net for a suitable carrying case with belt "loop" but I can't seem to find a suitable one. I have already purchased one case with a belt loop but the loop is positioned at the bottom of the unit, therefore the case tends to lean over and stretches the loop even further.

I'm not interested in the "belt clip" type as I'm concerned that the clip will detach from the unit. Cost is not an issue as it's pointless having an expensive phone and shoving it in a cheap case.

Could anyone recommend a case and website

Thanks

Great Forum!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] vosy.cz:
Hi, i use VM Net Browser to see files into my PC, and i'd like to play musics or movies from PC into my HD. But when i start the playing music, so the music is very often stopping :(.

musis 128KBPS

wifi WLAN g support at HD and on wifi router as well.

Do someOne know how to play music or movie without stopping effect??

THX
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] djmc321:
If you want to stream MP3/Video/Pictures/TV from a PC to Mobile then Orb is great. Works over the internet (and HSPDA if your network supports it) while automatically transcoding your files to an appropriate bitrate depending on your connection speed.

http://www.orb.com
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] str0nz0:
You have the same problem like anyone else with the Touch HD.

Most people just dont realize it. I started a topic about this, but got no help with that.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=524272
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Many of you may have heard about Extendir by now, if not read more in the link below. I have been doing a lot of testing trying to help Shadrac the developer to get good working versions for our Blackstone. So far it seems to work good on some devices and not so well on some. We are getting close to a working version and I would like to ask for some help from my fellow Blackstone chefs to get more results and speed things along.

These Extendir drivers have great potential and combined with the PresetInstaller it gives the user a lot of flexability on installing and uninstalling programs which may only be needed once.

Extendir cabs is also great but it is a learning experience as to which packages work well cooked in after and some can be partially cooked in and partially installed after.

You can find more information here and follow the thread.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=530710

Thanks for your help.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
I'll help, I want to cook a 6.1 ROM based on the Extendir principal.

What do you need me too do? What do you expect me too do? Have a good boot.rgu for me?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
The best thing is to follow the instructions in the thread. It will be good to know how it works on 6.1 as well. I'm only using 6.5 so I don't know if My boot.rgu will help you but I can give it to you if you need. What ever questions you have just ask me or in the thread. I use Ervius Visual kitchen so you don't have to edit the boot.hv file as in the instructions.

Thanks for your help.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
No sweat, I have been looking at the extendir for quite some while now. But never really worked on it.

I found the boot.rgu you posted in the thread. I will try it right now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Here is my boot.rgu. There are 2 different one I have been using. There are some modifications from original like Reflsd Entries are removed etc.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ShaDrac:
Thanks guys for your support! :)

I released a new test version, Test13.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4182475#post4182475

Lets hope we can get Extendir working on the Blackstone!

Thanks,

ShaDrac
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Ok guys I will start a test now, it will be a fully cooked ROM with extendir included, just too make sure it boots and keeps booting.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
No success yet :( keeps hanging on "tap the screen"
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ShaDrac:
Hi EpiphanyNL,

Thanks for testing! :)

Just a few questions:

Did you used the Test13 build?

Bootphase is that on both places to 1?

Did you add wince.nls back to your xip?

Which kitchen are you using?

What OS build are you using?

If you want to, I could check your boot.rgu if you post it.

Thanks,

ShaDrac
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Hi ShaDrac,

Thank you for the efforts you are making to produce a quicker mobile! I really see future in this way of installing, I have a question though, will it be possible in the future, to make the cabs included in the ROM and run like a sort of autorun, or run cc? Removing them from the device after that's done, that way chefs can setup the device like they prefer and users would still be able to remove/install applications the extendir way.

To answer your questions:

Did you used the Test13 build? - Yes I did

Bootphase is that on both places to 1? - Yes they are

Did you add wince.nls back to your xip? - checked it twice, its in there

Which kitchen are you using? Using ervius kitchen

What OS build are you using? Using a ported xip/sys 21048 base OS is 20776

I used the boot.rgu and boot2.rgu (ofcourse renamed it) bob posted earlier here.

Hope this helps.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ShaDrac:
Hmmm, strange... :confused:

And if you are using your own boot.rgu and applied these setting?

I'm not sure but if I can recall it correctly there was a problem with UC. Don't know for sure...

But if you removed everything that has to do with customization...

Maybe it was something with autoshortcut or autorun... can't remember at the moment. (probably need to go to bed)

I hope Bob knows, he had the same problems early on, but I think he's not awake for another hour. :D

btw Test14 builds posted in Extendir thread.

Good luck and thanks for testing!

ShaDrac
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Hi,

I can test this on monday I hope. Then I will have some time again to do elaborate testing!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Send me your boot.rgu Epiphanynl. Your original that works without Extendir. Also your boot.ms.rgu in ROM \Shared\MSXIPKernel.

Have you removed any packages from either MSXIPKernel or OEMXIPKernel?

The boot .rgu I sent i for 6.5 not sure if it will work.

Are you using Preset Installer to install any cabs? If so try to do it without Preset Installer first. If you have it set to Automatically Start just select Exit Left Soft Key when it comes up.

Thanks for your help

Mine is working great on VTest 13 trying Test 14 now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Hi Bob,

I included my original boot.rgu.

I didnt remove any packages from my MSXIPKernel or OEMXIPKernel.

When starting my testing again I will start with a completly clean kitchen. With new ported xip and sys.

Thanks guys!

Regards,

Ferry
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I modified your boot.rgu and placed it in my kitchen and it booted and woorked well. I did not change any of your cache values or remove any of the Relfsd Keys like I do in my rom.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Yeah I noticed that the boot.rgu files are the same for WM6.1 and WM6.5.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
Ok cooking a 6.1 ROM now with the boot.rgu modified by Bob now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
It is booting and saying its an extendir enabled device! I used the 1.05 12 mb version.

EDIT: Two benches done, one without extendir (fully cooked ROM) and one with extendir (same ROM just the Extendir applied)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Definately some improvement. Your graphics score can be higher, depends on what drivers you are using. Mine is spin lock patched and using gmxdma from nue tools. When you get some of the bigger programs out of windows you will notice even more speed. My index is not almost to 1400.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] EpiphanyNL:
I'm using Neos driver pack 2a. Now going to try and exclude Manila, had any succes with that yet?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XClemX:
How good would it be to have a Carbon Fibre back?

Any one seen any or know a someone who can make them?

I think they will be a killer sale...

What other materials would make a decent cover?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] hguimaraes:
I'd like to have it...but I look for it and no success...

The near I found is a custom carbon fiber adesive on decalgirl.com
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HandySpanner:
Gah, I came in here thinking that someone had found one! I hate it when people don't put question marks at the end of their subjects!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] helterskelter:
Yeah, I got quite excited aswell :-(
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] gkai:
Real carbon fiber may not be a good choice for backcover: it is partially conductive, so will interfer with all radio functions (GSM/3G, wifi, GPS, blutooth). Not as bad as aluminum backcover, but it will not be as transparent as original plastic one....
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] XClemX:
sorry handy and helter...i changed the topic it to help out..

yeah it would be good to see one...i have seen cases made for ipods, but meh, no love for the HTC boys...

bloody iyuppies...:p
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] wild05kid05:
will i lose all my apps if i ugrade rom
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] gomo187:
Yes, if they are stored on your internal storage you will be able to reinstall. Everything will be restored to manufactorer default/Rom default when you received phone after flash.