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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
I really liked what youve written here cause ive been doing some other readings and learning :). First i wanna thank you all for sharing your experiences. I should say than even knowing than android is still a bit immature i am very tempted, as all of you were at a moment, to give it a try. As you all have stated, its difficult to understand how ms being a almost a lonely leader together with palm for many years in the pda market, have been careless about the usability and interface of their os and the convergence and integration of features from pocket pc to smartphone have been slow ihmo. Apple for example did a very good job in a relatively short time taking a successful concept like the ipod onto production of a very usable product like the iphone that, we like it or not, is today still a bomb after some years in town. Google nowadays have only 3 devices on the market as far as i know, and improvements and updates have come fast. I saw the sense ui in the new htc hero and even though it resemble touchflo3d seems a refreshed finger friendlier version.

For winmo imo, dont think that lacking the marketplace is going to be a disadvantage for long time as ms is going to have one like every major player already did, but once again a little late. Same with compass and other cool features many ppl enjoyed. I see winmo as a very strong os with many many capabilities and it has served me well over all these years. I love integration with apps i use like office, pdf readers, outlook sync for contacts, task, emails, .net framework, flash support, the ability to be tweaked and customized and above all the support of this community which ive became a fan of. Also i have read da vinci code and saw some episodes of dr house and prison break in my phones. But no matter how many third party apps and shells you through on it to avoid dealing with the old fashioned pc like interface, at the end every user will have to deal with that. There is a performance cost in installing many apps as enhancements to the shell, as in any os, instead of just having these visual features as part of the standard api, because they have to run concurrently with the basic shell and that makes your interaction slower and slower. So mostly i have to admit that winmo interface and today screen basically today lacks the level usability and simplicity of these newer os user interfaces. Thinking only in the techie capable or corporate user will probe to be a wrong strategy as blackberry’s rim realized at a time.

HTC Tytn

ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final

RADIO: 1.48.00.10

History: VPA Compact (HTC Magician), Jornada 720
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Carlos73:
Android vs Win Mobile vs iPhone

Hi all,

I switch from HTC Touch to iPhone, later to HTC Magic and now I have a HTC Diamond 2.

As you can see WM -> OSX -> Android OS -> and WM again. WHY?

I really like gadgets and testing new platforms, but as I also use the phone for working, the best suite for me is WM.

Don't you need to work with excel, word, powerpoint and pdf documents?

With Androidyou have to buy 3party apps for this.

Don't you us Outlook? No native support for Android.

Don't you receive mails with attachments? No native support for saving them to the SD in Android.

Of course you can use other apps that can more or less solve those needs. But, why do we need to invent the wheel again?

And what about iphone? Really good hw, lovely OS but plenty of locks from Apple. You have to jailbreak, and install lots of 3party sw.

Conclussion: For professional use, WM has all you need just out of the box.

If I only could flash my HTC Magic with WM ..... sniff.

Bye.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
Well i think ill keep my old friend for some more time and wait for now. i want to buy with a contract but with rogers now we only have xperia x1a... alternative is the g1 and the magic that without a keyboard has a point againts my personal preferences. xperia is way a better phone than the one i currently own of course but not sure yet because of lots of complainings about keyboard design, cracks and other issues in its forum. thank you all

HTC Tytn

ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final

RADIO: 1.48.00.10

History: VPA Compact (HTC Magician), Jornada 720
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] aniteshj:
Sadly, I miss the random errors in WinMo, because it reminded me, that just like XP and Vista, this is one of the true mobile os's. It will **** up, and it will do so with the ever annoying dialouge box.

Android, is different. the good different. Wait, the great different. Only problem Ive had is that rogers had to go and screw it up by flashing their terrific bs version onto what is one of the best phones I have used.

And the iPhone, please. I have one. Whoever considers that to be a 'OS'. Get your head out of the propoganda machine. The day it has at the least multitasking, and not that bull**** popup notification, i will consider it a OS.

Atleast with WinMo, and Android, there is a good sense of **** the **** around and if all fails reflash the rom to original. iPhone, you can jailbreak, screw around, but thats it.

Coming from a a Diamond, then a iPhone, to my current Blackberry and Android, I think I would rather have the latter two. Sure WinMo and the iPhone are great 'in the middle devices', but in the end when I have serious business to do, I stick with the blackberry, because nothing beats it, everybody knows that. Business = blackberry. WinMo and the iPhone sound like a good choice, but anyone worth their butter knows that a keyboard of a blackberry can save your professional ass. And Android I like, because like WinMo it is truly open to no end, and my fun lies with screwing around and messing with that phone. Sure not the best money spent, but Android phones are more explorative and user friendly then anything else. Ramblings of a idiot maybe, but its more, what really floats your boat. My friend said 'avoid the magic, and the dream. the magic isnt that easy to use, and the dream just looks like shreks ****' but i splurged and I love it. 50/50, sure. But its what YOU want out of your phone.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] bastage:
You called the android platform immature.. Well you are both right & wrong.. Yes it is in its development stages still where WinMo is still very mature..

But its like saying that the Virgin High School Validictorian who doesn't drink or smoke is Immature where as the 40 year old drunken drug addict who lives with his parents is more mature because he is old enough to buy cigs & beer..

There on 2 different playing fields.. Switching was soooo easy once I finally made the plunge.. & I Find that even with my diamond I Was resetting the phone once every few days.. My Android once every few weeks..
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
As you I do love messing up with a phone... I got infected with this disease here :). Flashing woow ... lets you change the face and performance in minutes, new styles, apps, things to try. That left out iphone and blackberries cause they cant keep up with that. Nothing against them really, I know they are really good at what theyre meant to, but I make changse and update very often always trying to get the most out of the thing. Official updates arent enough for me. Agree with u that pre-emptive true multitasking is an asset but mentioned the iphone as an example of responsive and coherent interface. Have friends that cant live without their iphones but have to admit that all of them took it for trendy reasons without even reading a review and were astonished cause they all came from dumb phones.

HTC Tytn

ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final

RADIO: 1.48.00.10

History: VPA Compact (HTC Magician), Jornada 720
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
Yeep inmature relative not only to age but number of devices in market right now and os released nothing more I think. But i got your metaphor. Im not saying its more or less stable.... just dont know ;) Its a way of saying is a very young OS relative to WinMo. Indeed seems that, as you said, switching to android is easier than making the trip to WinMo and that was my point because this learning curve have to do mainly with the interface been intuitive and coherent .... dont you think?

BTW did you know any fact or feature you think make android more stable os than winmo? Or its just a feeling?

Opinions ........:confused:

HTC Tytn

ROM: Shamanix WM6 Ultimate v2 Final

RADIO: 1.48.00.10

History: VPA Compact (HTC Magician), Jornada 720
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] akashastrega:
I am stuck on some "fun" apps I have which are M$...such as Insaniquarium. I love my ebooks which are on repligo or pdf.

I am a busy mom to 9 year old twins...my dinosaur Wizard has been a stable friend for almost 4 years. On road trips I hand it to a kid to watch a movie, or listen to MP3s, or to play one of 20+ games I have installed. It serves as my phone book, scheduling manager, I've even used it to create a last minute presentation.

I am looking to move to the My Touch, as old reliable has seen better days...but I am needing the same abilities as I listed above.

Will I get this with Android?? On the Tmo site it says it sync's with M$...so can I run my M$ based apps on it (like Insaniquarium), or will I have to buy something new, and or settle for not having a favorite app?

Any help you can give would be appreciated. For my needs, will the My Touch be a nice fit, or should I consider buying a used Kaiser from e-bay?

Thanks in advance.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] natesiy:
Just switched from WM to Android and here's a few things i've been copying with so far:

- Android is much faster, very stable and fun to use

- WM has the applications. It's been on the market longer, more developers, etc. Android MAY catch-up, but at this point in time WM has it beat

- Multi-tasking i find easier to access open programs on WM, but faster to open and minimize programs on android

- Capacitive screen VS resistive (Nothing to do with WM and Android, but i went from a Touch HD to a Magic), capacitive screens suck. I don't think they're as accurate as resistive, it's difficult to press small link text in a browser

- I like not having to reset my Android phone everyday

- I like the freedom on installed any 3rd party app from anywhere, with Android, i can only seem to load apps from the market. kind of restricted, i would think

Both good systems, just takes some getting used to and additional developers to jump on board to the android platform to make it a true contender.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] bastage:
When I say its more stable its both fact & feeling.. I have to reset my phone once every few weeks.. With any winmo device under heavy use I had to reset it at least daily.. Also its just plan faster.. Outside of normal phone text features I would say 95% of my usage is the web.. & even using every 3rd party browser I can think of for winmo the android browser is just plain better..

& to touch on captive vs resistive.. I have had much much much better luck with the captave screen.. Even with smaller links, but that may be because I used a fingernail & not a stylus on winmo most of the time.. & For the rare occasion I do ahve a problem I use the trackball..
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] bonesy:
I previously had a Blackstone with a very much loved WM6.5 Build.When i broke it i bought a HTC Magic, Personally i think for someone who is pretty new to all this PDA stuff Android is awesome! As i said i loved wm6.5 but not anymore when i use someones wm phone i hate it lol and im even starting to use linux more as i had never used it before this phone
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
winmo functionality on magic

Office support and Activesync for contacts and task sync with outlook are free apps or will i have to pay for the functionality?

Thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] lpasq:
hey chicochico... i have a question as i too went through a similar research process to evaluate mobile os platforms to replace a winmo device. what are you afraid of or what is your #1 bottom line concern?

:confused: :eek: :confused:
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
My fears.... uuuughhh

Switching platforms from winmo I fear to loose:

- Ability to safely and easily update and install new programs and functionality in the phone. I have realized that this possibility let me enlarge the useful life of a device. Better if these programs are easily found on internet and are free... depends on the size of the community that supports then and openness of the platform itself.

- Ability to keep in sync my contact info, tasks, notes and calendar preferably with my laptop and not with the cloud maybe for privacy reasons but should be others. My contact list for example is like 300-400 contacts wide with many fields and notes on it and I really use it with my pc and phone alike so always have backups in many places.

- Ability to easily read, save, edit, share some MSOffice docs formats like Word, OneNote and Excel files including expected compatibility with future docs formats. Also been able to read some small pdfs attachments is a most.

- All the programs, tricks and knowledge I already have about winmo and not finding a particular tool to do the same in the other platform or having to pay much more to do that.

I think this is a good start... did i answer your question? I dont want to be again in the buy-try-sell cycle with all the deceptions in the middle which is a waste of time and money so a prefer to do my homework before changing something that still works

But choosing a device is much more than just that ...i believe :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] lpasq:
sounds like you should stay a winmo man. as for me, my days of using a phone as a ms-office extension are over. i am also bored with the winmo os and find the most exciting part of it today is that htc has layered touchflo over it. even 6.5 seems not that far from ms' original "smartphone" on my old typhoon. my needs are just a phone, web browser, sms, email including exchange serve push w/global addressbook. reading pdf, word and excel through any app is ok because that's all i need to do is read an attachment when away from desktop or larptop. my reason for the plunge is simply pure sex appeal of rosie and the lure of andriod open source possibilities. yup...geek passion!
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
Thanks...i agree. Maybe a winmo second hand device or maybe waiting for TP2 american version Fortress, who knows! it was already out from Telus but no GSM version yet in canada.

Still im going to follow androids developmets and if money let me I will give it a shoot...sure its very appealing.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] darkfluid:
Definitely nice to not reboot all the time.

My biggest problem, why is it so difficult to copy and paste in android. I can choose virtually any text anywhere in windows mobile and it's apps to copy and paste.

They really need to let me copy info from an email that I'm reading into something else. VCF support is needed as well, just too universal to not be supported.

I'm not sold completely yet, but the apps do seem to be more handy in Android.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] chicochico:
limited copy paste !!!

:eek: cant believe it.... copy paste issues were source of jokes with older iphones. how come google is having the same issues?!! didnt know that but im sure they will fix it man ...this cant be happening

Edit: BTW the Hero ROM also have this problem with copy/paste? i read there is going to be and update to 288mb magic ...isnt it?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] moSess:
Media Qustions

How are the music players on the android? And the movie players as well? Do they play any file format? Are the sound settings adjustable, as in the equalizer?

WowHD was one of the best things to happen to my Wing when I had it. With my Raphael(Fuze) the sound hasn't been able to compete because I cant get WowHD to work on it. I wonder these things about Android. As well as internet sharing? Does the screen look dim in bright sunlight?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
Do pray tell so that we can convert them ourselves rather than having to wait for an update to 1.4 of Fatality's Hero (been two weeks?).

Rather than having to depend on one person, we should share our knowledge so that we can all contribute.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] frendi80:
I would like to know, too.. Do someboby want to explain it?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] WebghostDK:
I agree. Fatality has done a great job on the ROM, it's just way too slow :(

Hope you guys can figure it out and help the rest of us out :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] D3NNY:
I am also very intrested in how to do this. It is also defiantly possible as I have seen the superhero Rom for g1 ported to the magic.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
I did a little bit of experimenting myself. I found that I could flash Superhero and JAC without any modification onto the ION phone. I did notice some things not working such as wifi and bluetooth plus calls did not hear my voice. ie. It is not stable or usable long-term.

In many ways this makes sense since it is for the same OS, same manufacturer but perhaps some things are different on the motherboard. I therefore assume some things get swapped around such as the Magic wlan.ko into the package. A clarification on this would be greatly appreciated.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
Okay seems like nobody is responding, which is disappointing.

I'm going to go ahead and flash JACHero 2.63 - Fully Optimized HTCHero 7/11/09 4:00PM and place it on my Google ION

Will report in and let you know what happens. I'm willing to bet it will work fine but with a few hiccupy problems.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] D3NNY:
Ill be very intrested to see your results.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
yep im doing the same

flashing now oh and praying
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
to late to go back now lol flashing half done :D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
I wrote a very long ranting post but instead I have self-moderated myself on this reply.

Let me just say the two words you want to hear: It works.

And let me just say this: It's embarrasing that in an android development forum those who have knowledge that could empower the community do not let people know such basics as what is involved with building the phone rom for a particular handset. There are too many ROM builds now to justify waiting on one person releasing an update.

I will withhold further judgement of those who are 'converting' G1 ROMs to Magic until I know it works perfectly as I have had issues when experimenting with an old Hero G1 rom with phone calls (caller could not hear my voice). In which case I respectfully withdraw any assertations.

But I have tested Haykuros IONr for G1, JACHero and SuperHero ROM. All for G1s. Yet they all worked (at least in terms of booting, phone synch to google account, etc) fine on my Google ION.

You do not need to 'convert' them for them to work. I had standard engineering SPL available from here and standard radio.

ie.

SAPPHIRE PVT 32B ENG-SOFF G

HBOOT-1.33.2004 (SAPP30000)

RADIO-2.22.19.26I

Cheers

TommyPickles
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
davec26 i will eat my hat if it does not work. what phone type you have btw? and bootloader/radio? and what rom you installing?

if you cant remember and its in middle of flash just whatever details you have will do :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
JACHero 2.63 - Fully Optimized HTCHero on htc magic vodafone report .....

ok boot time is normal (well slow normal)

usb devise recognised by pc right away 1.1 sec lol

boot screen loaded ok 30 secs

hanging on htc

waiting 1min

waiting 1min 30

waiting lol 1 min 45

waiting 1min 55 :confused:

still hanging on htc 2min 20

taking battery out and rebooting that way

ok battery out turned on

boot screen up 1min 1 sec

and on hero screen 1 min 20

ok booted into menu just for a few tests :D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
glad to hear it works too.

fyi it is much, much safer to let it take its time on the HTC screen. id be worried if something bad happend because you pulled the battery our prematurely.

this delay is standard on most phone roms when you install them. and as always, wipe before you flash.

let me know how you go with your app tests. im experimenting at the moment. and thank you for also having the courage to test with me, davec26 :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
ok in the set up menu running ok so far no lag noticed finished set up its now rebooting again .

boot screen ok 1.1min

menu booted ok 1 min 7 fast eh :D

menu pic is jachero loading thingy spinning round for 50 secs now into menu to test wifi bluetooth

menu is fast v fast no lag going into it .

scroll is v fast

auto cofig up for 3 uk

texts ok

ok not able to start wifi :confused:

bluetooth is ok turned on

all menu and settings ok but no wifi says can not turn on :D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
No prob buddy im

radio 2.22.19.26i

h-boot -1.33.2005

pvt32

2nd boot now see if wifi sorts itself out
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
3G works. GPS (both wireless network and GPS) works. Google Maps works. Email synch works. Twitter synch works. Android market works. App download and install works. For all intents and purposes, the phone is operational. And may I say, DAMN its fast compared to Fatality's weeks old Magic build.

I'll try WiFi in a moment. I think thats where it will fall down, and possibly bluetooth and phone calls. As its 1:35am I probably cant call anyone lol.

Here's where we need to work as a community though: The wifi issue is known even on G1 builds. It is a matter of replacing key components in the package to suit Magic. We should know what to replace and why. In this way we are empowered to do it ourselves.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
ah ok calls are all fine just tested in and out
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
Confirmed: Wifi is not working. States it cannot turn on. Bluetooth appears to be working but as I have no device to test it cannot fully confirm.

But damn this is so, so much faster. Seriously I used to dread pressing the home button. At least a minute wait in the past. I cant believe how fast it is. And window transitions too. If you dont care about wifi then this rocks.

Now to test a phone call. Davec26 if its not too late in evening, got someone to call?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] timmy1980:
OK, i'm going to give this a shot too.. curiosity has got the better of me! Has anyone tried pushing the wlan.ko from a working Magic Hero build to system/lib/modules ?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
Just a thought: In the Fatality package it has the wireless packages that work from his build under \system\ because certainly thats where it'll be

If he could it would be great if he can post specifically mentioning what was required to change in order for Hero G1 builds to work on Magic.

Then it can become a sticky on a 'how to' people can download the latest builds anywhere and make them work on Magic.

That is unless we beat him to it. I suspect it will always be the same files or edits too, regardless of whether its Hero or plain cupcake.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TommyPickles:
Timmy: Yes, exactly. I suspect if we do that it'll work just fine. In fact I'm willing to wager it, much like my previous hat-eating dare. In any case it wont 'hurt' your phone.

I'm heading to bed gents, but thanks for taking up the initiative and sharing knowledge with me and the rest of the forum. This is what the community development is about.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] timmy1980:
About to flash now... my phone that is! If someone beats me to it do tell!!!!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] davec26:
ok i have an idea im flashing

jacHEROski v1.4.1C_a2sd - CYANOGENIZED *UPDATE* 7/12/09 2:30 AM

if wifi works il know what to do lol:cool: flashing now