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[Windows Mobile Software Development] greeneyemonstruo:
When I read about widgets a while back I thought they were just a mobile-friendly webpage installed on the device to work hand-in-hand with the new IE. Thats the only reason why I assumed it was IE only. Of course I have been wrong before.

I only caught it because it's my most visited page here on XDA :) The strange thing was I saw it on IE but not in Opera...

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I'll be sure to keep an out in case there are others. BTW Awesome work!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
That's really weird; I can see Aurora just fine.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] greeneyemonstruo:
:confused: Well I just tried it again and it is there...but I swear it wasn't there before! Maybe I put my contacts in the wrong eyes again. Sorry for the confusion.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] hkultraman:
if you check MSDN, you find that widgets can be more advanced

- can have your own menu item (for us may be we can create menu items which serve as shortcut to our favouritessub-forums, or create new thread

- widgets also has the ability to save information on your device.

check here http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd721906.aspx
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Yep. I knew they were more advanced, I just didn't feel like explaining. And you know more than me anyways.

So the Widget would be pretty good, with saving info on the phone, that would be a cache, right? And save the forum categories, too. Could be real good, but not as good as the true app.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
Well, I could build in a cache, and etc- but it's not worth spending the time on right now. I might later- but for now I'd rather focus on putting those same features into the app.

Major backend/frontend progress: http://www.xda-developers.mobi

-Image support; images are automatically mini-sized and compressed for mobility.

-Better restyling of posts for mobile (will be completed tomorrow.)

-You can now navigate from page to page using finger-friendly controls. If you're looking for a large 'forward'/'back' button, those are hidden in the chrome of the widget.

-You can now tap in the background of a cell instead of the text itself.

-Primary Backend is done. This means that there are functions for the essentials- reply, new post, etc, and GUI's just need to be developed for these pages.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
WOW sounds great!!! I've gotta flash back to 6.5, then!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] dadeadman:
The rhodium one looks pretty good.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] crissg:
Can't log in from the .mobi

Sorry if this is a known issue, but the mobile site just hangs when I tap "Login". If I tap "Skip Login" it proceeds right to the Main Menu.

Great progress otherwise! I'm looking forward to the app/widget!

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] B4PJS:
Just a quick one, am I being daft or is there no jump to new post button? Really helps for those long threads (Da_G's 6.5 kitchen is a killer to try and search through to find where you left off!)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Mmm, we do need a "Unread" button.

But remember, guys....This isn't near the final release!!! It's just a little web version that'll help us survive the wait while Kyle is on vacation. You can say that it's just an Alpha. It's not meant for primetime, yet, exactly.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] gotz:
Looking very good :D

try now :D
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
I don't know how it could be 'hanging', but I've put a little bit of a buffer routine for browsers that don't accept forwarding. Try it now?

Edit: I'm delaying the release of the widget until tomorrow, as I seem to have to jump through flaming hoops blindfolded in order to convince vBulletin my app is not an evil, nefarious spam-bot. I want to make sure I don't make vBulletin angry.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] crissg:
Worked on Iris, but not on PIE

What I meant by "hanging" was that nothing happened after the tap. I tried it out again this morning on both browsers. Iris let me login, PIE didn't. PIE did go to the main menu if I tapped "Skip Login" just like yesterday.

Rendering is much better on Iris as well.

Looks Great!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] hkultraman:
there is an Open Source app which allows desktop Windows Mobile widget emulation

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=6585
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Oh yea, so I thought the widget was going to be released yesterday? Am I missing something? (no rush)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
I'm on a different time zone that you, so I still have a few more hours; but I'd like to do a bit more testing before I release it (javascript, etc.).

Care to bear with me?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] valkryomnia:
I'm excited. Cant wait for this to be fully finnished... or atleast available. The site looks great, I'd donate if I could (Its the thought that counts, remember? k, maybe not.). Anyways, great job, keep it up.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Lol, bearing with you. I'm cooking ROM's myself, so I'm keeping busy. I can wait.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
Okay, it's ready for release now, but I've had a few, so I'm going to release it tomorrow once I've verified I haven't done anything stupid.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Ahh, you just keep on tugging that juicy steak away from us at the last minute!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] witch1:
The mobile version if the site is nice. Can't wait till you release the app and widget!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
This is a test post from the XDApp. More data in a sec.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Thanks for teasing us once again :(
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
I apologize for this double post, but it is necessary for testing.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Apologize to my hopes. They have been crushed, realizing that I'm not gonna see a release tonight. lol. It's cool. Good to hear it's working!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
You're not going to see a release tonight? Oh. How tragic.

For everyone else, you can try the widget at:

http://www.xda-developers.mobi/widget/prebeta.widget

Just run the file on your device! You'll need a WM6.5 phone with widgets enabled. If you have a WM6.5 phone without widgets enabled, you can enable widgets with this cab.

The widget isn't in it's final stage, but most of the updates should be launched server-side and will appear on your handsets instantly upon starting the widget.

I've disabled the Left and Right soft-key menus, as on one of my four testing devices, there's a small glitch with the menus that causes Opera to open.

The menus will probably appear back on your devices tomorrow or Sunday, hopefully without any re-download/install of the widget 'core'.

If your WM6.5 doesn't like the widget format, try renaming it to "xda.wgt".

Try replying to this post from the widget! ^_^

(Reply won't show up unless you're logged in.)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
I'm not going to. It's 12:36 AM now, so I guess I get to see it this morning! That works for me. Trying it out in a few min...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Nice widget! My only complaint is the scroll bars. It may be because I'm on QVGA, but everything is about twice as wide as the screen, so there are scroll bars. But, it was the same in IE6 on 6, so I kind of expected that, and I think that's probably more a server side issue. Overall, I like the widget, it's much more conveniant than opening Opera or IE6. Unfortunately, I can't test post to this thread from now because I'm in the Czech Republic for the moment, and don't want to spend a ton of money on a few kilobytes of data, so I can't tell how that'll work.

Dave
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
QVGA problems, as he was talking about...
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
That'd apparently be because Screen.Resolution doesn't work all that well in JavaScript under IE6on6. Right now everything's being dynamically size-doubled for VGA. I just have to write some Javascript to turn that off on QVGA screens.

I'll have a fix tomorrow. ^_^
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
sounds freakin amazing!! About to post my Mobile post, in a sec.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
But, the image compression works really well! and, this is usable on my Wing! (Typing from my Wing right now). Very cool!

I wonder...Can I be bold??? I hope so.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
cooool, bold works from mobile. I'd expect that, but thats good!

One thing though, u probably already know it...After replying to a post, you're taken back to the main categories section. Idk, I guess that could make sense. The only reason I didnt like it was because I wanted to look at my mobile post instantly to see if the bold worked. so, I dont really care where it redirects after posting.

1 more thing...When typing large mesasges, I have to scroll down for EVERY line I type, because I run out of box space, lol. That's IE's own fault for not handling text boxes well, isnt it? Ok, going to bed now. End mobile post!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
(Testing a title...)

The "taking you back to the category view after a post" was a glitch- it should be eliminated.

[Edit: Yep, eliminated. There's a tiny issue where you need to page forward if the post starts a new page, but I'll fix that in a bit.]

Preliminary QVGA support has been enabled; tell me if it fixes things on your devices.

I'm not sure what you mean by the Internet Explorer's text-area thing; if you elaborate, I might be able to trick IE into working well.

Here's the roster for tomorrow/Sunday:

-Implement strategic session checking to ensure remote session hasn't expired.

-Make it easier to log out.

-Allow user to start new threads.

-More optimization/work on the 'Deviceify' library, which alters post formatting to better fit on mobile devices.

-Softkeys/menus.

-Two or three post previews in writePost.php; buttons for bold, italic, underline. (Post preview?)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] optiknerv:
The prebeta release is not working on my diamond running 6.5 Widgets are enabled because i have msn weather working fine and another widget i tried last week worked fine. It installs successfully but when i run it it just runs a blank page. says xda mobile on the task bar and have exit and menu softkeys. Just blank lol. :confused:
[Windows Mobile Software Development] zenkinz:
I dont' find the download link for the application, am I missing something? Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] Bijdehandje:
That's because it's still in developement.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] zenkinz:
thanks, guess the title is misleading.

can somebody who has the feature preview access pm the password? the developer is probably busy he has not replied to my email yet. thanks..
[Windows Mobile Software Development] krook6023:
This is a great widget Kyle...THANKS
[Windows Mobile Software Development] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
It seems that despite the "?QVGA=yes" appended to your xda mobile site's URL when on IE 6 on 6, there still is no change. Oh well, posts still show up pretty well, it only seems to be the login screen (there may be more size issues on pages that I haven't tried, but once again: Czech Republic, expensive data, etc).

Dave
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
That's because you didn't follow his instructions! You must install the .CAB to enable adding widgets, first. Get it HERE, and then run the .WIDGET file.

Yes, you are missing something, and apparently everyone else is, lol. The Widget for WM6.5 has been released to everyone. Go to this URL with your phone's browser: http://www.xda-developers.mobi/widget/prebeta.widget

Save or open that file to your phone. If it doesn't work opening that file, then you need to install the CAB first, HERE

Kyle: What I mean about the text box: When you're typing in a text window, just like I am now on my PC, there is a scroll bar that controls the text box window, AND a scroll bar that controls the entire page. Well, on mobile IE, the scroll bar for the text box, that one doesn't automatically scroll down. That means, each new line that I type out, I have to manually scroll it down to see it. Understand it now?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
QVGA Screens, again....

As you can see, our window is still boxed in. But, the text size within threads has greatly improved! Categories sizes are still large. Login screen is still too large. And, I noticed that the Reply button isn't working anymore. I just get a white screen. Anyone else?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] climber1872000:
problems with login

well the widget seems to be working fine except for the fact that I am unable to login. If I input my user name and password then hit login nothing happens. If I tap on the skip login button it will allow me to access the site but of course I am only allowed to view the site and cannot post anything because I am not logged in.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Login works fine for me. Maybe you didn't let it load long enough. There's no progress bar, so just let it sit for a bit.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] climber1872000:
Still not letting me login. I let it sit for 5 minutes and still nothing happened.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] valkryomnia:
Looks great from the screenies.

Any chance of this coming out in the future compatible for wm 6.1 phones?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
You'll have the full App, which is better than a Widget. Only thing is that u need a decent phone. My T-Mobile Wing/Herald doesn't run it :( It only can handle the Widget.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
I'd love to fix the QVGA issues, but I can't really do much testing without my QVGA devices, which are at home.

I'm also considering writing a program that'll allow pre-6.5 devices to run 6.5 widgets. (using the old IE).
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
I can test QVGA for you, for now, if you'd like.

And that'd be very cool if you wrote a Widget engine for the old WinMo. But that's wayy over-the-top! You are an over-achiever.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
How are we going to make links re-direct to the mobile XDA-App/Website/Widget??? Like, when I go into my phone's email, and I click on a link to an XDA forum, so it'll take me to the mobile site. How are you gonna accomplish that hurdle?? Do you think a MortScript would work for that? I think a MortScript could work for something like that, but I'm not a fan of MortScript, either. idk.

Also, how are you gonna handle the terrible loading speeds of XDA that we occasionally experience? lol. XDA isn't even loading on my desktop right now. If you solved XDA's server issues, then I would give u all the money I have. But, that's not your problem. If you got mobile site re-directing working, though, that would be incredible.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] valkryomnia:
Oh, thanks!

I searched the thread... where can I get the app? (not the widget)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
I was just informed that my server apparently became unresponsive at approximately 10:58am this morning, and a restart was requied.

I've been out of cell service all morning, so I was't there to asses what happened. I just got back, and apparently some of the node's configuration is now misaligned. This will probably result in a short period of downtime for the XDA Widget and Mobile site.

I'm still on vacation and on my phone while in transit, so I don't know how much debugging I can do. I'll be debugging from my phone in the interim.

Firstly, no MortScript. There's no reason a user should have to install a seperate piece of software.

Secondly, I'm primarily NOT going to support clicking forum links OS-wide. You'll be able to copy-paste the links into the app to get to the page in the XDApp.

Future versions may include "open with XDApp" right click plugins for Opera/'Pocket Outlook'.

I'm not made of magic. I could cache everything- but that would be terribly costly on the server and would still require the user to wait until XDA has timed out to display the cache. Not worth it.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
There is no app out yet. Its a Pre-Beta. You can PM the developer (Ktemin) if you'd like to test it.

Kyle, yea, I agree, no mortscript. I dont like that program much, either. BUT, it got Opera Mini as my default browser, so I'm happy with it. But copy/paste could work fine, I guess. And, someone will write a mortscript for it, then, I bet. But I think the better solution is as you said...the right click menu. Yet...all of this isnt necessary if the app can handle your new threads. I just would need a way of getting to my new threads, and right now, the best way is through e-mails. Don't worry about this now though, that can be one of the final features.

And don't worry too much about this "work" while you're on vacation.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
Okay, first of all, the server error was apparently caused by a fault in LXAdmin, which is like a 'budget' version of cpanel. I didn't have to pay anything for it, but a stiff breeze would knock it over. Apparently restarting the server for the first time in months was that breeze. It had erased my virtual hosts configuration file, which is what differentiates the "xda-developers.mobi" site from the "ktemkin.com" site.

It also decided to erase the ktemkin.com site, for good measure, as leaving me any semblance of an easy fix would have been an act of tact and mercy.

After rebuilding the vhosts file, LXAdmin, in it's wisdom, deleted it again, so I deleted LXAdmin. Then, I reformatted the server, and moved from CentOS 5 to Debian Lenny; mostly, because of how much I love APT. I decided to leave nothing to fate, and installed every piece of software the server needed by hand, manually. The back-end server architecture is radically different than what I had before; it should be much more speedy and secure.

And I only wasted like three hours doing it.

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Of more direct relevance is a general reply to the hundreds of you who requested to be feature testers:

I only send out passwords when I make a release. I have the information I wanted from the first feature test; the next feature test will be based on modified technology. There's no use getting feedback on problems already solved.

I am on vacation until this Wednesday, then I have work-work to make up for the next few days after that, but I will be releasing a second feature test soon. Many of you will be included. Just because you have not immediately received a password does not mean you will not be a part of the test.

If you've sent me a private message instead of an e-mail, note that I check my e-mail first when looking for feature testers.

--

A little bit of progress has been made on the widget; I plan on releasing an device-side upgrade to it tomorrow. Several upgrades to the mobile site and server-side of the widget will be pushed out tomorrow.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] FarBeyond:
When using the .mobi site on my Raph(Fuze) with Opera I find the bottom of the forums arent accessible because of Opera's zoom button at the bottom of the page. Any way you can add some extra room at the bottom of each for this?
[Windows Mobile Software Development] hoosbude:
How does one get to page 4 onwards? All i see is:

1 2 3 ... 666 667 668

I can only access the first and last three pages !!!
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
How can one say...PRE RELEASE!!!

Lol. He's obviously going to fix that. An over-the-air update is coming tomorrow or the next day, as he said. Maybe it's already fixed.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
I can definitely fix this! I'll do it tonight. Stupid Opera should do it itself.

Thank you for reporting this! I don't care if it's pre-release; there are bugs and I want to find and quash them. That's the point of a test, isn't it?

It's designed to show the page before and after the current page; it does this for higher numbers, but has a problem with specifically page four.

Thanks again, I never would have noticed. I'll fix it tonight- shouldn't be more than a minute change to the code. Expect updates tonight/tomorrow, both to the mobile site and widget.

Development on the App starts again this coming weekend!

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Update: I have a lot of these features done, and in testing. I also have a new layout model that separates the mobile website into two views:

1) QVGA/Text/Non-Touch/Opera-Friendly - uses real links, and is laid out like a real mobile site with small text and buttons for d-pad navigation

2) VGA/Scalable QVGA/Widget- uses a layout more like the current form, except modified to work with QVGA screens as well and with widget soft-keys.

More updates in the new version of the widget:

1) Page loading indicator- it would have been nice if the widget engine had a built in one I could have enabled.

2) Better screen size matching- get rid of the scroll-bars and the border around them.

Should be released soon. I'll be traveling for a bit, no time for testing, but I'll definitely get it out ASAP.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ktemkin:
http://www.xda-developers.mobi/downloads/beta.widget

Beta for the widget. More server-side updates to trickle in later tonight/tomorrow/Thursday.

I think you'll find it's much more screen-space efficient. (No scroll-bars, no ugly margins.)
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Lookin good! ;)

Still have that "boxed in" feeling on QVGA. I noticed that it's more like a white border around the actual page. When I scroll to the right (or down), the "border" goes away. So, that'd be just a quick tweak on the web code? hopefully? Lol. It's very minor though. I'm quite happy right now :)

I'll post some more screens below.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] ace10134:
Hmmm...Replying still isn't working. I tap reply, and it doesn't ever load. Yes, it doesn't load. And when accessing the site through Opera Mini, replying brings up The Server Timed Out page.

Other than that, I like using Opera Mini more, since it's faster! lol. Keep up the good work.
[Windows Mobile Software Development] jmckeejr:
I second some type of auto scrolling when typing a reply. This is the reason I hate using Opera to reply sometime. I remember l long time ago I did have Opera folowwing the cursor when I was typing on my old Kaiser, but cant seem to find a build that will do it anymore on my Fuze :(

Kyle: I figured I would get this out of the way, since I see you are actively trying to make this work out. Here is my promised donation: Confirmation number: 5LH81389C8640142V

I will be happy to donate more once we get a bit further in development. I actually havent tested anything in quite a while(been busy figuring out these new build changes M$ has implemented). If you are making any calls to PocketOutlook(not sure why you would but just in case), be aware that after build 23024 it seems something has changed and most programs that make that call are not working. I hope that M$ makes a change on their part so that software developers dont have to pick up their slack. Seems with new builds come more incompatability, so be prepared.