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[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dwmackay:
I agree. However, I think the point of the thread is that these tweaks are necessary. I have never actually owned one, but my sense is, an Apple device does all of this for you. If they give you a feature, it simpy works, no fiddling necessary.

I'll keep my TouchPro over an iPhone all day long, but the idea of not having to fiddle is tempting.

Doug M.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] skyau:
I would really like to keep the option of enhancing my phone but without the necessity of constantly fixing it.

And as I've said in the past, I blame AT&T, HTC, and to a lesser extent Microsoft for those things. It also doesn't help that some places are outright ignoring other mobile platforms in favor of making iphone "apps."

I'll gladly pay a couple dollars for a program that utilizes the GPS... provided it doesn't make me open a completely unrelated program first to initialize the GPS.

The way I've always explained the Fuze/Touch Pro to people who don't own smartphones is, "They sold me a Ferrari, but won't let me put tires on the rims."

I also agree that HTC seems to be relying on end users to fix problems they shouldn't have in their phones to begin with. Flashing roms shouldn't be a necessity. I honestly feel bad for anyone who has bought a Fuze/Pro/Etc that doesn't know about XDA or can easily "fix" their phones.

I'm keeping an open mind about other phones now though, and it doesn't sound like I'm the only one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Farmer Ted:
I'm not sure which NRG rom you all are referring to, but his 6.1 roms are fast as hell at everything; it's been a few months since I used one, but I must've flashed 20 of them, and they were all lightning fast. I did test out one of his 6.5 roms, and it wasn't as fast, but that's just 6.5. Some things are slower on 6.5, mainly boot speeds (the interface seems quick enough to me in all areas). I mean, it hasn't even been released to the public yet, so you shouldn't expect a 6.5 rom to be as sleek as a 6.1 rom.

I figure that iPhones are like automatic transmissions and WM ppc's are like manuals. Some people like control over their driving. They like to shift gears, and they know when to shift gears better than any automatic transmission ever could (like driving in the mountains). In all probability, most people would rather drive an automatic, because you don't have to use your brain at all. I can understand that, I just don't want to do it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] krook6023:
This is what I was trying to say! To each his own...

I am tired of us WinMo guys bashing the iPhone...let it go...obviously some people love the phone...the sales number speak for them selves...its just not a phone I will ever buy. But to agree on one hand with the OP it has been said many times that HTC is not making the best phones they can (i.e. Qualcomm chips with bad drivers)...and that is not a good trend.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dwmackay:
Ducklord,

I think you should look for solutions. Many, many options have been posted here. Almost all of the requirements you have outlined in favor of the iPhone do not exist either; Bi-directional notes with categories and outlook sync, tasks with categories and outlook sync, one complaint was "slide out the keyboard" (try doing that with the iPhone) etc...

I get the fact that you feel you did not do your homework well prior to buying this phone. However, you can only blame others for so long. Google HTC Touch Pro Reviews and you will get something in the neighborhood of 15,000,000 hits. Certianly in that body of knowledge was a review that indicated a lack of features that suit your requirements.

Nothing is perfect, even the venerable iPhone. There is always something better around the bend. Yes you may have to live with the device for a couple more years. Fortunately, this forum exists to help you all along the way with new great features and functions. I totally get the need to vent as I too have done very recently. But it is almost always a good policy to make the best of every situation. While grumping feels good in the moment, it only prolongs the anguish.

So with my parenting out of the way, welcome back. I hope that you find peace with your device as I have with mine. Take a moment and try some of the thoughtful solutions offered here. Will it be perfect? Of Course not, but what is? If you want perfect, you have to make it yourself; an option that exists for you right here on this forum. Go back through this thread and look at the helpful posts you got for free. A good many of which eliminate 80% of the issues you described.

BTW, If you want flawless performance, get a Motora StarTac, a Psion Series 5MX and a Garmin GPS. The combination really cannot be beat.

Unless of course....

Doug M.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] 8525Smart:
Huh, this is a bit unsettling.

As someone who also owns a PSP and uses it to read eBooks/PDFs, I do admit that you're right. Reading on my PSP is actually better than reading on my TP in many cases (only exception I can recall at this point is reading Microsoft Docs on TP, which is better). Also, I did used my TYTN with an external GPS, and initially, it was superior to my TP.

However, after changing the radio on my TP to a better one, GPS performance was been very nice. Almost as great as my external GPS and, in many cases, even better. Regarding the other screen issue...

I have to say that, if nothing else, purchasing a TP and seeing its faults has taught me a lot of things. Before it, I was rather ignorant of an enormous number of things regarding phones. One of these things is that, indeed, a high resolution means little without a larger screen. In many cases, the TP's res does allow for much better aesthetics, but many cases, it also looks pretty bad.

I have to disagree with the speaker issue, though. Yes, listening face-down does help stop volume muting, but then you would have to maneuveur the phone constantly if you're going to change music. Listening face down also isn't a very good idea in the case of watching videos.

Aside from that, even if I do decide to do it that way, the TP's volume is still quite low. I use pre-amplification through TCPMP and yet the thing still sounds pretty low unless I use headphones. Kind of ridiculous.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Farmer Ted:
Yeah, I don't know. If you're a lousy driver, a Yugo or a Ferrari are all going to behave the same way (actually, the Ferrari will be much worse). You need to know how to shift out of first gear, lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] flinx1:
Spoken like someone who doesn't have an iphone :p. If anything tweaks are even more necessary there, because of the restrictions imposed by the OS. My brother has one, and you should have seen it when he first got it - he was so frustrated by the software that comes with it, and having to jailbreak it in order to get basic functionality like text messaging work right. No threading, no support for sending messages to multiple people, no MMS, no video recording, no copy paste, no multi-tasking, ****ty GPS etc. I will grant you that some of the base functionality has been improved lately with the 3G release, but you still have to fiddle just as much with the iphone if you want it to work "just right" as you would with a winmo phone. The big difference is that Apple has the appstore where you have to pay for pretty much everything, but at least most of it's there in a centralized location. Finding solutions to winmo problems are not as easy in comparison, but at least the software is (usually) free.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] nucentury08:
Noob

All I can say is Noob Noob my Tp runs like a champ very fast i send tweets in less then 5 sec web is fast i run my own custom ui as you see below tv out is great gscroll mouse pad changescreen gps garmin flash web 6.5 so i have no ideal what you have done with your tp but its all about what you know and how you program it...I could give you the toshiba g01 with the built in 1ghz cpu it has and you would say its slow if you dont know how to modd it..
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] know_fun:
I kind of feel for you. Only a small bit because i do believe that we could use a few more apps and htc gives no support after they release the phone. But what iphone apps are you looking at?

sure they would murder our phones in the music department (except i have a hatred towards itunes) and from my experience so far the picture department. in video i'd say them because they have more space but we have better picture. the iphone rapes the **** out of our phones with games but these apps are more personal preference. i dont really find myself playing mobiel games anyways since i'm always working and doing something.

i can do work on my phone than an iphone. i was able to do homework (word excel and lol calculator emulators) and take notes in classes. it does not take me long to open notes. of course granted i know where everything is and what to do since i've had pda's since wm2003. as for the speed issue the only thing that takes long to load is browser and music programs that i've seen not just on mine but on a few ppls.

I went out of town recently and met up with a friend who had an iphone. yes he did load a bit faster and by a bit it was like a second or two. His gps took longer than mine (thanks agps), but my gf's blackberry kicked both our asses. me and her had a faster lock but she had a closer lock. she had amazing battery life and multitasking. there is no tinkering with blackberries. he had to make sure he was done with the app to switch to another app versus me and my gf could multitask. browsing was similar i was able to load a few pages faster but not by much. i hate our batteries yes with a passion but multitasking and speed comes at a cost.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DreadfullyDespized:
I went from a HTC Mogul (sprint) to a HTC Touch Pro (sprint). durring that time I was debating on an iphone because of what all other people could do and the 1337 games on the ipod touch. Those games are by far great. Though I have puzzlequest and a few other long time loved games and they play great on my touch pro. I admit there is maybe .5second difference in GPS sync with pro to mogul. But as for the speed and responsiveness. Speed is by far so much more on the touch pro. My mogul would be slower then a pt boat in the water if you installed apps into the phone that brought the flash hard drive down under 100MB. It would be painful to use it for anything. Though I mostly used winterface on it. Basically everything that I could test on my mogul I tested on the pro and the pro was faster but not OMG faster. Which is obvious 400mhz to 533mhz is not a lightspeed jump. Though the onboard memory size is great and I can install 1-200MB of apps without a problem.

The camera's quality is great compared to my mogul. The mogul was always blurry and I could try 15 shots before I got one good one. Vs this pro I have got nothing but good shots one bad one of my daughter because she was bouncing around. Currently I am using Juicy7 but I use the kitchen to remove everything basically to just have what I want on it. Still trying to figure out how to make the titanium menu more custom to what I use. Because right now the today screen is unused on it. I like the pretty and I don't want to go back to winterface to make it more user friendly.

For what I paid for my mogul was 400$ when I got it and I recently got my touch pro on the 8th of this month for 237$ I am quite happy with the results. I wish mine was all black though. I do miss the hardware OK button and camera and comm manager buttons though. Those were very nice.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Sergio PC:
Ok, one thing is how the device runs, another thing is the "feeling" or "identification" you have with a device, fruit phones are dime a dozen, kids, girls and mostly the broad "techy" sheep consumer will get fruit. Dont get me wrong, the fruit catters to basic telecomm needs and thats fine.

Butttt......

-I do want a device that gives me some distinction:

Some one pulls out a fruit, waww we seen it 200 times in the day.

Some one pulls out a Raph, now thats pro looking device!!

-This happens in buisness\social meetings all the time, every one places his/her device on the table, out of 10, 8 have fruit(you are as rare as sand) place a TP on the table, niceee.. pull ou the kyb niceeeee.

I just dont see my self owning a fruit, i would feel kindo softty....

Most of us in this site, enjoy tweaking, custumizing and messing around with a world of ROMs. Get tired cook your own etc..... Comeee onnnn! comparing a fruitphone with a TP, they are in different leagues, now comparing a fruit with a Touch HD well.....seems more logical.

Greets to all:p
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] pazookie:
ducklord, try a program called aebuttons..you can map EVERY button and you can map them for singe tap, double tap, triple tap and hold..its the best..i was afraid to buy the touch pro because lack of hardware buttons but once i found aebuttons it was a no brainer
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Marco Schaap:
If u r so fed up with the device, then JUST SELL THE THING! Buy an Iphone, get synchronized in 50 different ways, note a ****load of text in 2 seconds and photograph your cat being lazy without getting blurry pictures!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dwmackay:
Ducklord,

I see that you are not interested in finding solutions, only defending your position. I am embarrassed by my own efforts to help you as I clearly misread your intentions. So let me agree with you as is your singular desire.

Every phone ever made by anyone now or in the future Sucks. Every review on Google is incomplete and done by imbeciles. All GPS software Sucks especially when used in Greece. The iPhone is great, but Sucks. Outlook Sucks, Notes Sucks and One Note really, really Sucks. The man is keeping us down (this is a bonus agreement even though you did not mention this). Everything you say is right, and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong... and probably Sucks.

BTW, If you flipped burgers for as much time as you have invested in this thread, you could have bought any phone made.

Of course every other phone "sucks" too.

Best of luck to you.

Doug M.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] tranquillo:
+1 from me :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] krook6023:
Well said, I figured this out already...I encourage every member who comes to XDA for any reason other than to argue to just not respond to this thread anymore…let it go…the OP wants to argue….that is really not what this site is about…:confused:

Think about it...

For my part I am done with this thread…
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] thesilentnight:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ducklord:
Because, dear friend..:

1. I don't want an iPhone. I want a Touch Pro with the functionality that is is supposed to have. Thus, I'm asking if anyone has managed to find stuff that I missed somehow.

2. You know what they say about opinions. I explained from the first message that what I write is my opinion regarding Touch Pro and its usage. As you may have noticed, I mentioned that in a lot of reviews some shortcomings of the device (at least, according to my opinion) are not mentioned. Thus, I thought that others who could think about buying it for the same kind of usage (and point of view) as me, could benefit from knowing that it doesn't-exactly-do-what-it-was-supposed-to-do.

3. It's time we realized some stuff, and not just put our collective heads down and waited for others to do stuff for us. You bash me like my problems are actually MY problems, a problematic way of using it, and not shortcomings of the device. If I don't mention the problems I have with it, and none other does, and noone had done so in the past, would there be fixes for them? And should we just accept a dung they sold us for gold, without saying anything, because "that's the way it is"?

4. Do a fast reading of the, up to now, four pages of the thread. Among others you'll see messages from people sharing my opinion regarding a specific part of the device - the screen, the GPS, the lack of apps... Unlike me, or them, are you totally happy with your Touch Pro? In every single field of its usage? Does it do what it was supposed to do?

Apart from those, please understand that English is not my mother tongue, and some things may not "come out" like I meant them to.

Best regards

Ducklord
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] flinx1:
Bull****. Try actually using an iphone 24/7 before making statements like that. It even lacks some of the basic phone functionality that you get on a normal (non-smartphone) cell phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ducklord:
Ah, thanks, but no. You told me something along the lines of "look, there are solutions to all of your problems!"... When I mentioned that there were partial solutions to only some of my problems, this was your constructive answer? Putting your hands over your ears and going "nah-nah-nah, you are a troll, everything sucks for you"? Let me tell you, as well, that maybe some things I type don't sound like they should, 'cause English ain't my mother tongue. Maybe I sound more offensive than I should, or more bad-mannered, or, dunno... But let's put my main problems in a list... I guess it would be better, and since you said that 80% of these have solutions that are already mentioned in this thread, it won't be so hard to find them... Right?

Main problems (with the device itself)

* Slow video speed in applications (not the interface), ie GPS apps, 3D games etc. etc.

* Keyboard lagging, even after disabling T9

* Slow app loading/running (more than 2 seconds for apps like even the included camera - and even after compressing the EXEs and some DLLs).

* Small amount of trully useful and original apps - any suggestions?

* Blury camera shots whenever the subject moves. Am I the only one with the problem? Hasn't anyone noticed lagging even during the sound of the shutter? I have to wait 1-2 seconds even after the sound for a picture to be clear!

Software inquiries/additional features

* Ability to take notes with categories/tags that can sync with Outlook?

* Maybe a touch-friendly version of the aforementioned notes app?

* Task management through TouchFlo 3D interface and reminders for tasks (not only for calendar events)?

Would like to..:

* Have a better and more intuitive browser

* Run Touchflo 2D without problems in Touch Pro (wouln't it be faster than TouchFlo 3D?)

* Find a GPS app that runs well and has decent maps for Greece.

Here. Now that I put it in a list, I guess it doesn't sound as grumpy as my posts, right? Any suggestions/solutions to these problems that have worked for you?

Best regards

Ducklord
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Spiderm@n_:
Pf, iPhone, it's just flashy graphics, everything goes for smooth graphics and that's all, try some harder to calculate task and voilla, my calc for $1-2 calculates faster. Yeah, the screen is bigger, but the resolution is lower (nice, it's like using 640*480 on a 24" LCD), yeah, it has 16M color, so what, I can bet that an iPhone user, or even regular phone user can't tell you how many colors the Touch Pro has (amazing 65536, try, ask someone, he won't belive you).

I've got TyTN too, the only thing, that I liket in it was the Imageon GPU, that's something that Touch HD has.

Also, I don't know why, but I can type a note in less than 5 sec. Going through more folders is way faster than scrolling a list with 100 icons, belive me. Typing a note during call, if I don't use the onscreen keyboard (and I use one with pretty small keys) and just do it as a picture, not more than 3 sec, pull the stylus out, notes are loaded for less then a sec, type as with a pen, OK.

After few flashes, my screen rotates for less then a sec, most of the programs load for similar time (except PIM Back up, but I doupt that you use it 5 times a day).
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] petard:
First of all, you write WAY too much. If you don't like your Touch Pro, sell it and get your iPhone.

Second, switching to running apps takes NO time on the TP. You just tap in the top right corner and there are all your running apps. I can switch to one from the home screen in about 1 second.

It is so annoying when people post these kinds of messages. If you hate it so much, then get something else. Why do you whine to us? Did we make the phone? Did we make you buy the phone? No, so just send HTC an angry letter if you must and just get a different phone.

Anyways, the iPhone sucks, our Touch Pro is way better, you'll be coming back crying.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] player911:
This is all over the place, but I'll try to organize my thoughts.

Phone Cameras are crap. Even the iPhone cannot take motion shots. While I liked the camera app on the iPhone, the pictures weren't anything to brag about.

Keyboard lag is an issue in WM6.5 because WM6.5 isn't out yet. Later versions of WM6.1 didn't have any issues.

You can enable the Stylus sensor to automatically launch Notes when you remove the stylus for a quick and effortless method of note taking.

Mobile internet browsers have always been tedious on a mobile. It basically all boils down to preferences. At least with Windows Mobile you have choices. Opera, Skyfire, Internet Explorer, NetFront, Iris, Firefox, etc etc. NetFront and Iris are basically feature enriched versions of Internet Explorer. Internet Explorer is actually very good in newer WM6.5 roms. I haven't tried Skyfire in a while but supposedly the latest version 1.0 works fantastic. Lots of people also favor Opera because of its built-in auto rotation and use of the scroll wheel.

WM6.5 also has some app loading lag. WM6.1 was a lot snappier but lacked some of the perks 6.5 brings. WM6.5 is still unreleased so you have to take the good with the bad. You also have to find a build that works for you. WM6.5 build 21222 was the snappiest for me. Others praise 21732. Just depends.

As far as GPS software is concerned. I use a combination of Google Maps which works well with a Data connection and iGO8. iGO8 runs awesome and has elevated maps, 3D buildings, and terrestrial landscapes. Maps are individual by state or country (Greece). Works great.

You also mention the lack of apps. Windows Mobile platform has the largest selection of apps and games; you just have to look. They make replacement messaging apps, new start menus, better note taking apps, games, browsers, color themes, phone apps, icons, etc. On my WM6.5 phone I currently have a Twitter app, Facebook app, Netflix app, Google maps, and Uno. They all work great and were all free. Most of the iPhones apps are just webpages created to match the screen resolution of the iPhone. You can even use the internet browser IRIS to view those pages on your Touch Pro.

You think that Windows Mobile doesn't work out of the box like other phones do... which is partly correct. Sure the default apps aren't the best, but they're replaceable; unlike other phone OS's. Most people use their own preference of software. If you want a phone that only has the apps YOU want... then you'll have to cook it yourself. At least with Windows Mobile, you have that option. Most people want basic functionality out of the box then customize it to their liking. I don't want to be forced to have to use any 1 specific software or User Interface.

To answer your question it sounds like you need a speedy/stable Wm6.1 rom. Stay away from Wm6.5 if you can't handle a few bugs or slowdowns.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Billun:
I´ve tried flashing most of the roms in here to find the most stable/best one for me.

After some flashing I found out that 6.1 roms works best (for me) since i use my phone everyday when i work.

But one problem i can't get rid of is the tremendous (for me) GPS lag with tomtom.

The GPS fix time got better with newer roms/radios but the GPS lag is still a problem for me.

My old TYTN 2 is MUCH faster updating tomtom in routing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Mikey:
Please control on what term you use God's name in.