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[XPERIA X10 General] gundamboy:
Are you kidding?

They're a step up from the X1 for sure... in terms of having super high end thing, the 8.1 mp is a good enough standard?

plus the cpu.. ahhh yes, although unconfirmed.. it'll make the phone responsive as long as they tweak the UI.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
:D

No, not at all. Just an X1 owner being a realist. I don't have or want an iPhone. However, I want my next phone to be kick-ass on the software and services side, not just the hardware side.

If Apple were to release a keyboarded iPhone 3GS......oh my, imagine the destruction they would do to the smartphone market :eek:

I'm keeping my X1 until something truly kickass--hardware, software and services--comes along. Not sure if SE will be the one delivering it. Hope so, but looks like NOT.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Glad to hear that lol :D.

iPhail with a keyboard is still an iPhail. Outdated hardware and useless software cannot be compensated for with a keyboard.

WinMo has much more variety and useful apps, but you have to search. No app store.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
Have we not learned the lesson from Apple that hardware alone doesn't make a great smartphone? They have kicked everyones ass with that so-called outdated hardware.

ANY platform will have it's share of garbage apps too...Apple included. But as a whole, I cannot put them in the fail category.

Take the top notch software and services of the iPhone, and merge it with the high spec hardware you typically see with WM devices, and we'll be on to something...:p

WM7 maybe?
[XPERIA X10 General] nevermind:
without proper education in economics, economy and business, certain people are "witnessing" this since 2001. It's not the end. At least not in the near future ;)
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
Digitimes is reporting that: "HTC also plans to increase the adoption of Android-based platform in place of Windows Mobile. The proportion of HTC's shipments of Android-based smartphones will rise to over 50% in 2010 compared to 30% in 2009, the sources indicated."

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20090722PD205.html
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Totally agreed that hardware doesn't make a great phone. That's why WinMo has thousands of USEFUL apps.

They haven't kicked anyone's ass, because worldwide apple is pretty pathetic.

Translation follows:

"top notch software" - dumbed down (useless) for tech illiterate users .
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/22/htc-adopting-android-on-50-of-its-handsets-in-2010/
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
In day-to-day use, this is actually the type of software most people would want. Something that just works with little fuss or delay. Not that you can't get this on WM, but on iPhone it seems to be the norm...hence thier popularity. Tech geeks are a small minority in the smartphone market now.

Apple is well on it's way to spanking everyone's ass. They can't make those things fast enough and no one has made anything to compete with it totally yet--Blackberry and Palm maybe the closest. Right now, Android is nothing but "the great hope."
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Somethings that needs tweaking, but is useful >>> something that works out of the box, but is good for nothing.

Apple is spanking no one. Worldwide they are microscopic.
[XPERIA X10 General] gundamboy:
Don't forget, Apple has a GREAT marketing campaign.

Not to mention that 60% of my friends have an iphone, because it was "the rage", or "everybody had it, and they had to have it too".

Of course this doesn't mean that the phone itself is uber cool.

I owned an iphone 3G, not much different from an ipod touch except for the camera, the texting, and the phone.

Exclusive, no.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
Let's admit that iPhone is a good device, with a great user-experience (because of app store, iTunes and a great OS). Even the cut and paste everyone *****ed about it not having is there in kick-ass form now. Give Apple some credit! You don't have to love'em to admit their accomplishments.

OOOPS!

Didn't mean to derail the thread from the topic. It's just that I don't think X2 or X3 has what it takes to be the next great phone I am looking for. Hopefully the specs we've seen so far are not totally true and, in fact, will be much more impressive.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
Let's see some references:

"Gartner, which measured handset sales to report smartphone market share by operating system, allotted a whopping 52 percent of the market share to Symbian, with second-place RIM garnering 17 percent, 12 percent going to Windows and iPhone, down in fourth place, owning only 8 percent of the market share. Apple and Research In Motion combined sold between 5 and 10 percent of the [total] mobile phones shipped worldwide this year."

WM and the iPhone are 4% of smartphone market share apart.

"For 2009, Deutsche Bank analysts attribute 31 percent of the industry’s operating margin dollars to Apple and 35 percent to RIM, showing handset sales are not the only success indicator."

"In April, AdMob also ranked smartphone market share by operating system, but in terms of mobile Web and application usage, and found that the iPhone claimed 43 percent of the market share, followed by Symbian with 36 percent, RIM with 9 percent and Windows with 5 percent. "

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...artphone-Profits-but-Not-Market-Share-831218/
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
It is not a good device. It is severely handicapped and outdated. The app store, OS and especially iTunes is what makes it unbearable.

I lol'ed. Better read those articles again haha.

Uses of the iPhail outside the US are a miniscule percent..
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
Give Apple time. They're just starting and no one is growing faster.

In today's smartphone market, you can succeed in two ways:

A) Device with great user-experience, software and services.

or

B) Device with great user-experience, revolutionary, must-have app or feature.

If a smartphone doesn't fit, at least, one of those two categories, then it will FAIL.

So, a smartphone with 1280x1024, 3D graphics acceleration, 4" screen, 2GB RAM, 64GB storage, keyboard, but no optimized OS, no must-have software, or no music/software download service, will FAIL in today's market.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Absolutely wrong. Every single word.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
Those are worldwide numbers, as reported in the articles.

Another:

"[via Gartner - for 1st quarter 2009] Smartphones now represent 13.5 percent of all mobile device sales, up from 11 percent in the first quarter of 2008.

Nokia again led worldwide smartphone sales to end users in the first quarter of 2009, shipping just shy of 15 million units, though market share fell from 45.1 percent a year earlier to 41.2 percent.

BlackBerry maker Research In Motion again took second position, shipping 7.2 million smartphones and bumping its market share from 13.3 percent to 19.9 percent.

In third place, Apple more than doubled its market share from the first quarter of 2008, jumping from 5.3 percent to 10.8 percent, with shipments of 3.9 million units.

HTC pulled ahead of Fujitsu, raising its market share from 4 percent to 5.4 percent and shipping 1.9 million units.

Worldwide, Symbian was the leading smartphone operating system, though market share fell from 56.9 percent to 49.3 percent. RIM’s smartphone OS followed, with 19.9 percent of the market, up from 13.3 percent a year earlier. And finally the Apple iPhone OS, which grew its market share to 10.8 percent, from 5.3 percent a year earlier, was the third most popular smartphone operating system."

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...o-Drive-Smartphone-Sales-Says-Gartner-444161/
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
Care to elaborate???
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
For Android: "The AdMob report also showed Google’s Android to be a dark horse. Android handsets accounted for less than 1 percent of smartphones sold in 2008, but accounted for 3 percent of all mobile Web usage. "

This will be steadily increasing, though.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
If you insist.

They aren't just starting. As simple as that. Don't try to make up facts. They are growing in the US market. Worldwide they suck.

That part about what you need to succeed is totally irrelevant. What you need is good hardware and software. That's it. iPhail has neither.

The device you described would kick ass.

No one is going to make an OS without apps for it, unless it is a new OS. There are plenty of apps for every platform, except Android and WebOS, but they are new on the market. No need for music/software download service. There are plenty of sites that you can purchase either of those from.

So, yeah. Such a device would be an instant hit.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Exactly my point.

P.S. I didn't say they weren't worldwide. I separated my sentences on purpose. They were not related.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
They're very young in the smartphone market.

:confused:

In your mind, yes. In the market, NO. The X1 and TouchPro had great hardware specs, case in point.

I changed my post after you had responded. I meant to say "No great software", not "no software".

This is what has helped Apple kick so much ass! What world are you living in :D

What good is a device that doesn't easily complement your day-to-day living activities?
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
The gap between worldwide smartphone sales of WM and iPhone is 4%. Most of the iPhone sales are in the US, but the worldwide aggregate numbers are what they are. Plus, Apple doubled their market share in a year.

Worldwide smartphone sales are small to begin with, "about 20 percent of all U.S. handsets sold last year [2008]" [1] but only about 12 percent worldwide (13.5% for 1st Q 2009 [2]). If WM has 12% of the smartphone market, that's only 1.6% of total worldwide handsets, whereas the iPhone with 8% of the smartphone market has 1.08%. Both are severely dwarfed by Symbian (5.56%), and even overshadowed by RIM (2.69%).

You'd have to agree that WM is ALSO a miniscule percentage of worldwide use. So then, what's your point?

[1] http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and-Wireless/Apple-Needs-China-More-Than-it-Does-Verizon-661751/

[2] http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Mobile-and...o-Drive-Smartphone-Sales-Says-Gartner-444161/
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Moot point. They have been around in one way or another for decades.

No need to be confused. As I have said many times. iPhail has neither good software, nor good hardware.

Exactly!!! You mean to tell me the X1 and the TP are not great devices? The best two pocket PC phones out there. iPhail does not even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with them.

The wording doesn't matter. Point is still valid.

Yeah, because people are naive, lazy and need to be spoon fed. It doesn't matter that devices and services are way overpriced as long as they don't have to move their lazy asses. That's way it had success.

Exactly!!! iPhail so far away from being that device that even if the other phones run backwards it won't be able to catch up with them.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
^^^ are you Steve Ballmer's nephew :confused:

Analogy: If iPhone is moving at 100mph and the leaders are moving at 50mph, and the end of the race is nowhere in sight--hmmm, chances are...
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
WinMo has small percentage, because it is made for tech savvy people and for cutting edge tech devices. The percent of people who are tech literate is increasing steadily. People don't have a choice, otherwise they will fall behind modern society.

It is implemented in WORKING, USEFUL devices that HELP you with your day to day life.

It is popular worldwide as well.

iPhail is a shiny toy that has no useful functions. You can't get your work done, it has crappy software and outdated hardware/capabilities. It has a smaller percentage, because not everyone is a naive sheep following the herd. The only reason it is so popular in the US is thanks to apple's great marketing campaign that made people believe they would be cool and loved by everyone if they had an iPhail.

That is my point. Do you get the differences now?
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Thankfully I am not :D. That guy sucks.

The difference is that the leaders are moving with a steady speed, because they have great devices, both hardware and software. Eventually people will come to their senses and apple will be moving with 0 kmph. Natural selection will show it's power and one day there will be no stupid people buying the overpriced and useless apple products. Until that day comes apple will continue to make tons of cash for providing nothing.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
I get your point, but, your point is not based on reality.

Everything, including WM7, is going to be more geared toward the less-tech-savy people and more towards the day-to-day consumer. Apple has started a good trend.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
I think it is based on reality actually. I explained why.

There is nothing wrong with that. Not everyone can be tech savvy. People may feel free to use whatever they want AS LONG AS THEY DON'T CLAIM FALSE THINGS ABOUT IT.

It is not the best, it is not even great, it is not revolutionary.

iPhail is a mediocre device at best. A glorified mp4 player and an iTunes extension used to bound you to that software. It is a device specifically made to leech on you and send the cash to cupertino.

People need to look on things objectively and honestly. They should admit that it has severe limitations and not try to make it into something else. I don't care even if half the planet uses it. I care for the truth though.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
I see your opinions, yes. Personally, I'll not be getting an iPhone, but I'm not hateful, either. The way I see it, you're just like the extreme iPhone fanboys, only you're a WM fanboy of the same degree. Equally single-minded, just pointing in the opposite direction. You'd be saying similar things if you happened to like Apple instead of WM. Just because you like WM doesn't mean that you're a tech god on earth and everyone else is sheep, and there are people who like the phone because of the OS, hardware, apps and usability, not because it's something trendy. And that doesn't make them worthy of such ridiculous hatred and insults. You're so angry that you can't even be reasonable or see simple facts for what they are.

I wouldn't be surprised to see you in the news having murdered someone for simply carrying an iPhone on the street. Actually, would you even be able to say any of these things to someone in person?
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
iPhone does what it does REALLY, REALLY well...bottom line.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
I am not just like them, because I speak the truth. Please find any flaw in my arguments. I take pride of being objective. I have used Symbian more than WinMo. I can prove how inferior iPhail OS is to Symbian as well, but we are on a WinMo forum and that is why i defend WinMo. There is no place for iPhail posts here as well, but the apple trolls keep making them.

I wouldn't be making such claims if it was the other way around for the simple reason that I could be disproved in 2 secs. There are not 2 truths. The truth is only one. Single.

Please, don't put words into my mouth. Did I say I was more than anyone else? I ridicule and insult them, because they don't see the simple truth about their device. As I have said many times, I DON'T CARE WHAT PEOPLE USE as long as they don't make false claims. They may enjoy it as much as they want.

LOL I will show this to my friends that have iPhones. I'll ask them if they are afraid of being murdered haha. And yes, I have told them my opinion, because I care for their well being, and because I'm honest.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Agreed 100%.

But what it does is supremely inferior to anything else on the market. Even to feature phones like the Samsung Jet for example.
[XPERIA X10 General] WhyBe:
So iPhone's success and X1's lack of success is due to ignorance and stupidity?
[XPERIA X10 General] emuneee:
Guys you are better off NOT arguing with orelsi about the iPhone. It gets you nowhere. You are better off arguing with the wall in your house. :p
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
I already answered that.

100% AGREED :D.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
So you have tech-illiterate sheep for friends who bought the iPhone because they fell into Apple's marketing trap, looking for social improvement?

I wouldn't call having to jump into every single thread where someone so much as mentions iPhone with a reminder that you feel it's an outdated loser's product anything approaching "objective". "Insecure" is a much more appropriate description.

And yes, you are just like the annoying Apple fanboys, you are both blinded by hatred of the other side and will come up with all kinds of stuff to justify why your preferred consumer product means that you are a better person than the others.
[XPERIA X10 General] doministry:
No.

Honestly I see the iPhone discussion and as I agree on many orelsi points,

equally I say - Apple made some things well.

But 80% of the success is the trust the brand has,

and the great promotion.

That's why iPhone is bestseller,

and the absolute touchscreen pioneer - SE P800,

was not.

SE is not able to use what they do in the marketing process.

But it's never that easy. It's a more complicated process.

But HONESTLY: there's NO SINGLE application or functionality iPhone does

over it's rivals.

More: it fails miserably in many areas and has lacks,

as well as other devices excell in some areas.

But you know: the feel of the iPhone, simple OS, the Apple hype...

That works.

In the end: it's NEVER really like better = better sales,

neither

worse = worse sales.

It refers only to complete crap,

OR free things: remember, iPhone is often given for free.....
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Yes.

Insecure, because I am right? OK.........

Dude, I don't hate anyone. Can't you read, or are you just spitting stuff out? I don't care what people use. They may enjoy whatever they want as long as they don't claim it is the best.

I don't "come up" with anything. I'm stating facts. I have never said, I was better than anyone. Stop lying.

Not my problem that you feel inferior (based on you thinking I am doing it to prove, I'm a better person) and hate people who state the truth (based on your anger).....

Calm down, it's just a phone. Just don't state false claims and everything will be fine....

......................
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
Why do you feel the need to jump into every thread where someone simply mentions iPhone, not even saying anything overtly positive about it? Just let it go.

This is some of the best entertainment I've had all week. You pass off your opinions as supreme fact and then say that you insult and ridicule people who you think do the same, at the same time saying you don't care. Delusional!

I posted numbers comparing the worldwide sales and usage of smartphones, showing that WM and iPhone aren't that far off, despite your assertion that iPhone's usage is "miniscule". So what's your response? That WM has such a comparatively low market share because only the elite geniuses of the world realize that it's the best and that iPhone has a comparatively low market share because it's a piece of trash and only the sheep buy it. And then you proceed to say you're a vision of objectivity and fact.

And I think a more fitting description for hardcore WM users other than "tech-literate" is "patient" and "persistent". What would you do if WM7 works out of the box really well and it gets picked up as a popular OS that's easy to use? What then? Would you no longer be generalizable as "tech-literate" compared to the sheep at your feet? Don't forget that some in the Linux crowd say the same thing about Win users as you do about Apple users.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
Did I insult anyone in even one of those threads? There is nothing to let go off.

I'm glad you are kept entertained, but think for a second what you said there. There can only be one truth. Any objective person can see it, I wonder who is objective here? My opinions are based on facts and truth not on personal preference or on blogs paid by apple.

Did I lie?

EDIT: You posted the last paragraph after I responded to the others. Here is my answer.

Really? Are you this biased? If WinMo has broader acceptance thanks to ease of use, it will be incredible news. Why? Because WinMo is functional and productive. It is not a toy. If that functionality can be blended with a more accessible learning curve, then it will be good for everyone.

Seriously man, don't be biased.
[XPERIA X10 General] xperiance:
LOL! you are not objective, that right there is the one truth in this thread.

Why do you feel the need to jump into any thread that just mentions iPhone to declare it your target of undying hatred?

You yourself said "I ridicule and insult them, because they don't see the simple truth about their device". But what if they simply like it? To them it's the best because they like the usability, the capacitive touch, the graphics, the apps, maybe they even like itunes for whatever reason. To them, it is the best. So what? You are going to pursue and insult and ridicule trying to force them to agree with you that the dwindling WM is superior and they have been tricked because they fell for Apple's marketing wizardry? You say you don't care, but I don't think anyone buys that for a second. This is your obsession.

EDIT:

My point: It's simply not possible to truly quantify "the best", so any proclamation of such is not objective, but rather quite subjective. It is entirely possible for people to like the iPhone simply because it does what they want, in a way they like, or with a sufficient balance of the two. Ignore the annoying people who say iPhone is the best, or that nothing can compare to it. They're fanboys. Also ignore those who say that the iPhone is absolute unusable junk (like you). They're anti-Apple fanboys. The truth is in between, like with so much. The iPhone has it's negatives, but I don't think it's an objective statement at all to say that it's "not functional" or simple a "toy". Plenty of people seem to be getting plenty done using the iPhone outside of games. In the same manner, it's not objective to say that WM is vastly superior to all others, it has a real problem of not being very user-friendly and occasionally flaky/unstable. There are pros and cons to all the mobile OSes, I don't think it's possible to objectively state one as the true "best". That's pretty subjective depending on the person's preferences and requirements.
[XPERIA X10 General] orelsi:
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I don't hate anyone. No matter how many times you repeat it, it will not become the truth hahaha. Have I ever insulted anyone in those threads? NO. You can leave now lol.

You said "ridicule and insults" not me. I just used your words, I might have used something else instead. My bad for thinking we would have a normal conversation.. FAIL.

For the 1 millionth time in this thread alone. I'll make it bold in hopes that it will imprint itself on your brain. I DON'T MIND PEOPLE USING IT. I MIND WHEN THEY LYE ABOUT IT, MAKING IT LOOK BETTER THAN IT REALLY IS. Everyone can enjoy it as much as they want.

Listen to this:

I have never tried to force anyone into liking WinMo, but when they say that iPhail OS is better I have to defend the truth. On the contrary - the apple trolls are the ones that try to convert people. I am arguing with them simply to point out the truth and that they are lying. If pursuing the truth and bashing false claims is an obsession - then count me in.

You are spitting stuff out without thinking. Your mind is set to one thing and you don't accept anything else. You have decided that I'm a WinMo fanboy and that I hate apple (despite proof that I'm not). That is a pretty pathetic behaviour.

You don't have any arguments, so you are concentrating on me instead? FAIL.

Personal attacks are no substitute for facts and logic my friend. You FAIL yet again.

You keep repeating the same lyes about me (because I proved you were lying about the iPhail) and making pointless vicious cycles of personal attacks. FAIL for the third time.