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[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] GldRush98:
I own both an iPhone and my HTC Fuze. I use my iPhone as an MP3 player in my car... that's about it. My SIM card stays in my Fuze and I use my Fuze for literally everything else.

The iPhone was novel for the first few months I had it, but I quickly became VERY bored with it and it's insanely limited/crippled abilities.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] GldRush98:
Try NATF's rom... I see no lag in TomTom on mine
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] KonAitor:
I agree, the Touch Pro has some downsides. And I do like the iPhones fluidity.

However, ask you friend to play music while browsing the web...

It is a shame that WM gets shafted in the apps department, but with the recent boom of smartphones we are starting to get some nice attention. Skyfire was recently released out of Beta after about a year and a half, and is an amazing program. We will also be getting Flash 10 mobile soon from Adobe.

Also, the people here at XDA have developed alot of nice little apps, such as nuFlashlight, and Microsoft has released a few commercial apps such as Facebook and Youtube(which you don't need if you use SkyFire).

There are also probably close to 10 different twitter apps available for WM.

I think XDA shows the beauty of WM devices, that is only slightly captured by Andriod.... It may be a bit ****y by default, but its is completely open, there is no over barring power saying what you can or cannot modify, what you can or cannot install...

Yes it takes work to get it to where it works, but try changing the look/feel of the default iPhone interface, try installing an app that is not "apple approved". I honestly can't call the iPhone a smartphone at times, you can't even beam data between two units, everything has to be managed by iTunes, and for every "tweak app" on WM there is a "fart like app" for the iPhone.

As for your performance issues, I have to say there may be something wrong with your device. I am running the latest NRG Magic rom and have very little issues with performance. Sure things can be quicker, but not 30 seconds to open and save a note... Especially with your keyboard delay, that is just not normal...
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] apex excition:
I agree with ''ducklord'' !

My goddamn Touch Pro is a quite misery,too!

I remember the time when i entered the shop to buy one...That time i was very impressed and excited about 292 mb of RAM ! n i thought that TP would be THE JACK OF ALL TRADES... but now !

I regret all my goddamn hopes coz touch pro is just a rubbish :mad:

TP can not stand it's own simple **** called ''Touch flo 3d''

it sucks when scrolling left or right. when you play music with your TouchFlo then the phone is almost dead! if you run the explorer,You can see that ur phone has become a SNAIL ! it sucks to even scroll down and show what files are in your ****et-PC!

The most annoying thing about it is it's Goddamn D-pad!

D-pad is the simplest thing in a phone but it BADLY sucks in Touch pro ! you can't even go left or right easily ! when u want to push left,home screen appears and when u want to push right,the app closes.

the quality and the speed in JAVA apps n games is quite slow.no game,no speed,no ease at playing,No...

i'm now stunned by my foolishness at that time and WHY i bought Touch Pro...

something i like to say as a final word!

i would NEVER EVER buy a Goddamn rubbish **** HTC...

Never...

Just Nokia n Just Symbian !

About energyrom

first of all i would like to say that ''ENERGYROM'' Kills the battery ! i uses additional 20% of ur ram in standby mode and the usage reaches 50%!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Billun:
I'm running NATF's rom and i still think my old TYTN 2 is faster with the gps update.

Besides that i'm happy with my raphael.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Fraction:
The problem the way i see it.

The Touch PRO is my second WM device. My first was the Excalibur.

I started using this forum after buying the Touch Pro. So I have no experience with this forum due to other devices.

I HATE trying to get applications from this forum, and that's because some apps are in the "Development and Hacking " and some in the phones categories. Which makes it hard finding THAT app you want.

A smarter way making this work would have been making a

"Windows - apps (only portrait)" & "Windows - apps (portrait and landscape)" forum/category (and a Andriod - apps category ), and make ppl post their apps there. THEN tagging each app to their "home device" (probably the device the developer developed it for. The tagging would have done the work easier for the solution I want to propose, which is that each Mobile-category has the Software under group, which load up those treads in the e.g: "Windows - apps (portrait and landscape)" which is tagged that specific device.

Like so, here is Raphael as an example:

RAPHAEL:

Raphael

CDMA

ROM development

Software [loads up the tagged treads from the "windows apps" categories]

Tweaks

Accessories

The developers have to make their apps in different versions for the VGA WVGA ect. But this makes the users only happier. I hate to find my WonderAPP and then realize that its due to screensize not supported good enough.

If this method could have been a Daily used service it would have been much easier to "beat" the " I loooooove the iPhone, its so much better for my daily 15 minutes of joy"-syndrome somebody apparently have. Because I feel we don't need, as some people have mentioned, 20 apps doing the same. (And that's because they develop the programs in their "home-treads" and not in the Development and Hacking division. Which again leaves us to more alike apps. Just think if the 20 developers worked together on 1 or 2 apps, what a result we would have got.

And a extra thing would been nice, a category for "IDEAS, [UNDERDEVELOPMENT], ALPHA, BETA"-apps. So developers, who want to help, or need help have a "safe" and ONE "home" to come and visit.

[This category I do want, because I tried getting somebody to help me, with my ideas for some apps, and no responds.]

Best Regards

Fraction
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] daniel_rh:
LOL :D

I know how you feel, don't get me wrong, I'm quite happy with my TouchPro but this's the problem when the OS designer and the Hardware designer are not the same, It results in a not so balanced phone. The iPhone is well implemented because Apple knows how to get the best of its software by using their hardware. In our case, HTC is just launching a better phone when competition do so. WM is far superior to Apple's OS but is far behind in UI, and companies like HTC doesn't care a lot about what's the best hardware combination to go, they just care the price element and then quality and performance.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] LexxStorm:
I am using of SPB MS3 with my own modification and its usable then i-Phone launcher.

To play music i am using PocketPlayer and its one-click through my interface

To write messages i am "in love" of standard HTC keyboard with T9 - 5 sec to make a message and one-click to access it.

Two-click to call any of my friends

And ofcause i am using my modification of TCPMP - yesterday i watched a DVD film from my home network using WiFi - and it was 100% speed without any recoding.

You told about waiting while you apps runs - i am not 1 sec is the normal time to launch, there is some big apps but their start time is never more than 10 secs.

I am using G-Sensor to navigate my phone it is very comfortable.

Only one thing what i call "minus" is the games - too hard using DPad for playing games - but i found perfect solution - G-Sensor navigation with sensor keys and touch screen using.

Sorry for my bad English - i am from Russia.

BUT I were spent many hours to make something useful for me - but now it's excellent! Never would buy i-Phone - it's sucks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] euphoria47:
I can take notes very quickly with wm 6.1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZAANQjt7ic

I use ROMeOS 1.92, I tried some later versions, but this one i find most stable and good on battery life. I cant remember what the touch panel thing is called, with this ROM i get it by pressing and holding the talk button. I normally do it faster, my laptop's ****e camera takes forever to focus, so I had to slow it down a bit. Sadly, my TP is my best video camera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] DarkDvr:
don't like it TP get an iPhone. No need to vent about a piece of plastic, save ur energy.

Grass is always greener on the other side.

Oh yeah and TP beats iPhone any day of the week. Now with Rhodium coming out, it beats the only advantage iPhone had - screen size. It's bigger and much better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] daguila:
Stop complaining and just buy an iphone

Stop complaining an just buy an iphone.

I have no complaints about my pro because it was perfectly made for what i use it. I don't use it as my primary camera, music player, video player, but i do use it for my daily tasks which are texting, email, browsing, appointment reminders, and next tasks, and for all of these my Touch Pro works perfect.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] player911:
Perhaps you could try my 21222 build. It is so responsive and fast... especially when using the Messaging app that seems to have become really slow in newer releases. I put a lot of time into getting it right and it feels awesome.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=517490
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] decoyeb:
why i love my tp

ITS NOT A I PHONE
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] decoyeb:
but seriusly its not a pc its a pocket pc so can only do so much.If u wont to take over the world with yer phone an i phone ant gona do it lol.The tp is a good size has a good sreen ress dose msn plays films music has a good clender resonable internet speed(4 a phone which is wot it is)and takes sd card 4 more storage.have used htc phones since xda 1 was round had a exec tytn 11 pluss a few more so if anyone wonts to send me there unwonted tp i will happy acept it lol.n as for xda developers thay do an awsome job wish had found them years ago ty v much dudes.

DONT FORGET ALL UNWONTED TPS SEND ERE LOL WIFE WILL LOVE YER LOL
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] WeylandYutani:
I fully understand the views of the OP.

I was ready to junk the TP and go iPhone until I decided to try something out:

I installed EnergyRom Magic.

Now, all I can say is all my major problems have been solved. It is so fast (TF3D2) it feels like a NEW device.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] rizzleboi:
I send 75+ texts a day, sometimes as much as 200/300.

The iphone doesn't have a physical qwerty keyboard therefore it loses for me. However i have had my touch pro since jan and i am starting to get tired of the interface but 6.5 is keeping me interested at the moment
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] crpercodani:
I got my touch pro about 10 months ago, coming from a xv6700 I was very excited for the first 3-4 months. All the roms on here and alternatives to original software like contacts and tf3d, I found plenty of apps also but then I got a ipod touch 2nd gen (EXACTLY like iphone minus actual phone and gps) for my bday and I noticed how much better it is then the tp. First of all any of the features it lacks like mms, tethering and copy+paste can easily be fixed by jailbreaking (very similiar to rom flashing) it and getting 3 free apps from cydia (free appstore). The developer community for it is huuuuge compared to xda (i do love this site and still use it everyday) and there are so many apps that actually do something, i couldn't believe some of the stuff it can do. All the people who say its a flashy toy have never took the time to look into it like you have your tp or other wm devices because if you had then you would see it has so much more to offer. I don't like how you are stuck with att, but you can sim unlock it and use tmobile, or whatever gsm carrier you prefer. Ther UI's and themes for it are some of the most beautiful pieces of work I have ever seen for a mobile device. It is sooo much easier to get to your email, txt's, and web then on the tp (wether with tf3d or titanium) and they run soooo smooth and safari blows any wm browser away easily, it is amazingly fast and I often find myself using wmwifirouter to get my ipod touch online to browse web and other data related tasks because it is such a breeze compared to opera or whatever you use. If anyone doubts this then you really should get a ipod touch or borrow a friends and see how amazing they are compared to wm devices, especially how well they are otb, and after jailbreaking and doing some research (just like you do with your wm phones) you will see what I am talking about. The ONLY drawback is the onscreen keyboard but i will say that it is not as bad as many think, not like the ones on wm devices, because ipod/iphone have capacitive touchscreens wich are f'in awesome and there keyboard is extremely accurate, i rarely have a typo and even if i do it auto corrects. As for the rhodium/tp2, it has a SLIGHLTY larger screen, and a tilting keyboard plus some special spkr for conf calling. same internals as tp though so why waste the time+money. Oh and one other thing I like is how sleek the ipod/phone is, it is so thin and sexy with great corners and backside, i look at it next to my tp and its like a top model vs a reality show stripper.

It comes down to this, there is not one thing a tp can do that iphone/ipod touch cant, maybe you need to tweak it first but ****, there are THOUSANDS of things a iphone/ipod touch can do that a tp cant no matter how much you tweak it. Dont believe me just take 1 hour to google and research the iphone/ipod touch like you did with your first wm phone.

Sorry if you dont agree but thats how I feel.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] warren2781:
great

i have never used an iphone but i do come from a blackberry world. blackberrys have the best keyboards that not even apple o htc can compete with, and i guess most of us use the phone for email, so blackberry is on top.

so why did i stay with my tp? simple, you can customize the crap of it. im on the geek side so i know that i can mess with my tp and make it do what i want.

i guess that the tp does not do what you want to do and some other phone does. so go ahead man give it a try and i hope you like it... i will stay with my tp...
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] TouchPro1108:
wow..... what a complete idiot...

you complaining that apple has made a new month 6 months down the track??

..... what do you think the touch pro 2 is you idiot....

less then a year and the touch pro 2 has come out

at least the iphone 3gs is different to the 3g

if you look at the specs on the touch pro 2, there pretty much all the same as touch pro

exactly the same amount of ram, rom and processor.

what a waste of money

and yes i have a touch pro and it has all the problems that yours has,

But here's a recommendation.

find a rom without touchflo 3d and download spb mobile shell 3.0

you will find everything runs much smoother and faster.

GOOD LUCK

p.s im hopeing to buy a touch pro 2 soon....supposedly its a lot smoother and faster (but ill be playing with 1 be4 i buy 1 for sure)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] sickboy555:
I use my TP for business, and with DaG's 6.5 ROm it's performance is excellent.

I also have a Touch 2G - it's great - the screen etc. BUt once you are used to a hardware keyboard there's no going back.

Seriously if your TP is that slow it sounds like there is something wrong with it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] amin_86:
couldnt of put it better mate....the guy is a complete sook.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] crpercodani:
I agree a hardware keyboard is alot better, but for an onscreen keyboard I have never used one that works as good as the iphone/ipod touch. My co-worker has a storm and even that one is not as accurate. As for the op's tp being so slow, it shouldnt be how you are describing it. Some things may be slower then others but overall I don't have much issue with speed except for opera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] aatari:
Is it possible to have dud hardware

Hey all... I've been a fan of HTC devices for about 6 years now...upgrading every year. I doubt I'm likely to buy another HTC device after the frustrations of my device.

I can honestly say that MY HTC Touch Pro (and maybe it's just mine) is the biggest heap of dog sh!t I've ever laid my hands on. I've run rom after rom and it runs slow as cr@p. I'm currently running the Energy Rom (released 14th July) and still the device is slow.

Please can someone answer me this. Can your Opera (as provided in the ROM, with no modification) actually login or open a relatively large webpage? i.e. I can't login to gmail (yes I know it supports IMAP, but IMAP doesn't let you search your 4Gb of email does it?). I can't login to facebook (full web version). Opera just crashes and I'm left looking at the home screen.

Is it possible that this piece of crap is faulty?

Cheers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] |Jason8|:
I've never had a problem with my Touch Pro (Actually a Fuze) like I'm seeing in this thread. Opera is snappy and loads large images and web pages with ease. I have never had the stock Opera crash on me once, no matter what ROM I use.

The painful slowness of the device can usually be attributed to having an overloaded ROM. Or even having a bunch of programs open at once. Just like your desktop computer, having too much crap on it slows it down. The iPhone doesn't suffer from this phenomenon because it can't run more than one thing at a time. I could never get along with an iPhone because I constantly text, IRC, IM, browse the internet, and do other random stuff on my Touch Pro. Yes, all at once while listening to music. It's a phenominal device that has basically replaced my laptop.

The fastest ROM for my Touch Pro that I've used has been Jug6ernaut's Mystic Series version 1.31 based on WM6.5, build 21222. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=502106 I know it's over two months old, but try it. Everything is fast and responsive and amazing.

As for Apple's "Zero Config interoperability" that everyone loves... we can do that with our phones. If I flash a new ROM or hard-reset my phone, I don't have to do ANY configuring to get it where I like it. It does it by itself. All you need to do is read up on how UC works and use it to apply registry edits. It's pretty slick!

Oh, by the way, my Fuze runs just as smooth as my friend's iPhone. Even with the stock ROM, it was very functional. It was just loaded with crapware from AT&T.

Bottom line is that this is a community, and if you have problems with your device, you should come here and ***** about them. Everyone will be more than happy to come over and see if they can't help out your problems. It seems like that's what's going on in this thread. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] karimartine:
My 2cents in this is that I got scammed by HTC. I used many HTC devices but this one is a scandal, a real scandal. To cut things short, it is now running on a spare SIM, GSM only, only for business push mail, NRGZ ROM, No calls whatsoever, and barely make it for 1.5 days. Use the damn thing for 15 mns call and your battery is down by 35-40%.

This is a joke, I threw my money away. I'm writing this and am really laughing about people in this forum exhalting and appraising that crappy piece of misery.

I tried almost all the roms, 6.1 and 6.5 and alas.. That phone is not worth the casing price of my dead blue angel. A shame, what HTC is doing to us is a shame.

To all of you who want a real comparison of functionality, speed, versatility without the childish idiotic statements like "Oh I hate how it looks". "Oh I can't stand it" Please try any Nokia E series and let's talk about a business oriented device.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Oxrod:
hmm,

I pay 25 bucks a month to use my TOuch Pro...

You pay 80 bucks a month to use your iPhone...

I like my $660.00 dollars in saving every year better then your iPhone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] sdlopez83:
ditto.... Could not have said it better. Except you must also take in account that fuze is outdated. Also that it is slow as balls. Reason being is that the processor is 528mhz.... Thus it is indeed slow and lacking horsies under the hood. We need new Tegras
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] crpercodani:
What network are you on that only charges you 25 a month for data, calls and texts? I have the cheapest att plan (450 mins) with data and 200 texts and i spend a tad over 80 a month.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] 8525Smart:
Huh? That's curious. AT&T's cheapest plan is $40, unlimited data is $15, and 200 text is $2. The total comes to $60.

You're saying the surchages/tax on your bill is over $20?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] deeznuts:
Totally agree! I think of the iphone for kids, att fuze for adults. I say this cus iphone out of the box any child can play with it. Att fuze out of the box, someone would need some knowledge on flashing roms, tweaking, how to fully customize your device, etc, something a child would know nothing about.

Couldnt have said ur last comment any better. Maybe once the iphone is as customizable as windows mobile, ill consider it. Even a tweaked, unlocked iphone, what can u really customize on it? Nothing imo. Oh thats right, u dont need to customize it because apple offers 1000 different apps to purchase/choose from so u can have a screen/multiple screens of tiny little boxes for all your cute little apps. Na, i like my windows mobile based phones, i control what it does and what it can be capable of. Apple controls iphone and apple controls what u do, use, or put on your iphone, a monopoly if you will. Again, the day the iphone is as customizable as our phones here, i might consider looking into it. By then im sure we'll have windows mobile 10 and 3d devices! Haha! Ive seen forums for iphone tweakers/hackers, still theres little to nothing possible to hack or tweak on an iphone so whats the point? To have a child's toy out of the box? Id get an iphone for my 16yr old daughter, not for a business executive, unless he needs simple apps like a 16yr old gurl would. Haha!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Farmer Ted:
I pay like 5 bucks a month for my fuze; I bought it full price, unlocked it the first day and I use a t-mobile pre-paid sim card that is 10 cents per minute/10 cents per text (the att pre-paid plan is 25 cents per, or something like that). Try doing that on an iphone; well I guess you could, but would you really want to?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] deeznuts:
Haha, regardless if its iphone or touch pro, i doubt any of us buys these phones to expect the cheapest plan possible. U want a cheap plan, get a cheap phone, u want internet, blah blah blah, expect to pay a little more. Now if u have connections like i do then u dont have to pay more but get all the extra goodies!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] HelterSkelter67:
i've had both phones, still have my touch pro and i gotta say. the iphone is amazing...if all you want to do is impress people with how you can easily poke stuff with your finger and launch it. in every, and i do mean EVERY, other department i prefer the touch pro over the iphone. it might not be finger friendly or the fastest phone out there, but damnit, it gets the job done (i am allowed to say damnit right?).
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Thresher:
Most ridiculous statements from this thread have to be:

iPhone is better at music.

and

I hate everything Apple.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Thresher:
Dark be thankful you are not in the US. Where as of right now I have been without ATT service for my Fuze for the last 48 hours. ATT states they are aware of the problem and working on it...meanwhile the iphone next to me is blazing on the net and phone calls with no issues. Pay all the money for the device, minutes and data and you still get bent over because the iphone is the priority.

Thanks for the comments on the Pre. It looks so sexy to me, Sprint just licks camel bullocks out here though.