yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] wimbet:
I'm eagerly waiting to hear about this too.

I have an Ion, but I should be getting a myTouch soon.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
got ya bro. Thanks. I missed your post. ? My g2 boot loops every time i power off and the power back on. I have to do a full wipe every time to use my phone. Now i remember with the wing this was due to a broken spl. Now if i do have a broken spl and its like on retard mode. Then maybe can i force an update or flash?? I have with the wing before. Just wondering before i send it back.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mr. Moe:
Seems like good progress forward onthis venture. If it does work then I know of a few G1 owners here who will go get the Mytouch. The only reason we haven't is due to the SPL issue. So from us in San Diego. Good luck we got your back
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Breakthecycle2:
OK, heres my thing. The guy I was hoping would give me a system dump no longer has the phone, BUT i got another guy on Ebay (that I emailed) saying he would do it, but for $50. Anyone want to go in on this with me?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
Dont waste it, there isnt the nbh that we need in there. there is someone working on it but im scared to even test out my phone lol...If anyone wants to test it, but there is no telling on brick or not.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Breakthecycle2:
I will...ill just return it to tmo for a new one.

I am not using the touch until it gets root.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
i would but..... i have to send mine back. its defective. :mad: o well. the gold card idea is great!! but, if we do go back to a previous version what do we have to root with??
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
once root is gained we flash to what we want from there
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
ill test, got a burned out pixel and may be exchanging the phone anyway...what needs to be done?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
gtalk Jrbourque898@gmail.com
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
korndub you around?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
i know this. but im asking what version will we be able to use to hard spl it?? we had to go back to rc29 with g1 due to the spl.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] geahboi:
testing

will be testing at 5pm AZ time(when i'm off work). hope my phone doesn't die. :x wish me luck! will post findings asap.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
hey im here..still at work... will be home in 45 and will test..
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TikiiTorch:
ADB on MyTouch?

Sorry if I'm incorrect here, but I've read over the instructions posted by detoxcz and it requires you to ADB. I was under the impression we couldn't ADB without root... or at least I am not able to ADB with the myTouch sitting next to me.

or am I wrong?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
you can adb without root on the mytouch, but you get $ instead of # meaning you cant execute anything that requires admin/root permissions... lets stay on topic and keep this thread about rooting only. thanks.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] victortung:
I already got my MyTouch 3G, and I did JTAG on the FTA before.

Please let me know what kind I help to get our phone free....

Any document or link will be good.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TikiiTorch:
right, thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] DebauchedSloth:
To enable adb, I'm pretty sure you need to enable USB debugging.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] DebauchedSloth:
Pretty straightforward to get the goldcard.img. Writing it to SD, piece of cake. Dropping saphimg on there, easy.

Proceeding forward from this point, hmmm.... :p
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
So glad we almost there.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
doesnt work... just finished running through the tut... wrong image message persists...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] l3wish:
ahhhhhh same here

sd checking

loading sappimg.zip

no image

loading sappimg.nbh

no image or wrong image
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mi|enko:
detoxcz "Goldcard IS! working on MyTouch so root will be available very soon ;)"

Just a matter of time. . .

Hey l3wish. Guess what the first thing I'm doing with my root is. :-D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
yessssssssssssssssssssssssss
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Orangeandblue302:
i have been watching this thread since its creation and just signed up earlier this morning cuz I knew you guys were close.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] hypmatize:
looks like my command+r is gonna get worn out today lol. Come on T-Mobile release the mytouch in stores already.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] toolbox123:
Awesome job guys. Keep us posted.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] DeToX-cz:
News here. Because I dont have MyTouch, it's up to you to test it. You have to follow goldcard creation tutorial (I've posted it on my twitter earlier) and then get SAPPIMG.zip from mediafire (I posted it few secs before and posted on twitter), unzip to SDCARD (I have to be GoldCard!!) and then boot into SPL and it should downgrade to RC7. I hope it WILL work. If not, another way will have to be found. But Goldcard allows you to flash it! We just need correct SAPPIMG.nbh file. ;)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
is there anyone actively doing this?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] victortung:
Where is the creation tutorial? I can not find on your web site.

I got Winxp & winMo and I think I can help to test it:D
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mr. Moe:
GO to his Twitter and all the links are there.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
tutorial txt:

http://www.mediafire.com/?znuzmmmjwmj

img:

http://www.mediafire.com/?bhszy5d4zgu
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
did the gold card method work?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] setzer715:
A couple questions about making a gold card. I've never done anything with them so:

1. Does this ruin your SIM card? Meaning, is it still usable on the network?

2. What exactly does it do to it?

3. Does it have to be an active SIM or can I use an inactive SIM?

Thanks!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
1. im guessing no.

2. downgrades the the firmware to allow rooting.

3. from the tutorial doesn't seem like a SIM is even used
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
nothing to do with sim card. the goldcard is basically a tag or signature or verification that is placed at the beginning of the memory card... this will modify your memory card, (i tried the method) memory card works fine. the image that we had did not work however. we are working on finding an adequate image and will report results as soon as possible..
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] setzer715:
Sorry, I guess I read wrong. Thought it was modifying my SIM. Thanks for the heads up, guess I wont bother until an image that will work is found.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
dont worry, we are actively working on rooting this bad boy... as soon as it works, or we make progress it will be reported on here or on twitter.....
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] victortung:
After apply the goldcard, and do I have to reload the ROM and Radio?

where can I find those image?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] NguyenHuu:
Its already reported that It doesn't work. No use messing up your phone. Read the comment
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] setzer715:
So I tried it anyways, you were right, HBOOT didn't even recognize the sappimg.nbh from the above link.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] leiko49:
gold card

In following directions to create the gold card, when I type "adb shell" (without the quotes) in cmd on my vista computer (connected via usb to mytouch with the sd card installed in my touch, with usb debugging checked) it states, "error: device not found".

Please assist.

Thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] leiko49:
goldcard

I rebooted notebook vista computer, tried adb shell again at cmd prompt, error message changed some to:

*daemon not running. starting it now *

*daemon started successfully*

error: device not found
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] aron7awol:
I had the same problem on my Vista PC at work. Your USB driver isn't installed correctly. Do you have USB debugging on? I ended up trying again when I got home (on my Windows 7 laptop) and adb worked for me after installing the USB driver.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] leiko49:
abd shell

"I had the same problem on my Vista PC at work. Your USB driver isn't installed correctly. Do you have USB debugging on? I ended up trying again when I got home (on my Windows 7 laptop) and adb worked for me after installing the USB driver."

USB debugging is on.

The usb driver was automatically placed on my vista computer. I know it works because when I use my mytouch to mount the usb port I am able to transfer files between my notebook and mytouch in file manager. Is there another usb driver I should use instead?

Thanks
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
Try to uninstall it first, then remove all of the drivers on your computer so that it cant recognize it automatically to get it to ask you for drivers again. then download the drivers unplug and plug in your phone so it asks you again and then point to the drivers.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] leiko49:
goldcard

Where should I download these drivers from? I assume these downloaded drivers are different from the ones currently installed, correct?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] leiko49:
gold card

I switched to my xp computer, downloaded new drivers from android site, and now "adb shell" works just fine. Thanks!

I thank aron7awol and Jr Bourque for giving me assistance on this, Thanks!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] leiko49:
gold card

followed tutorial to step 22.

If I try to save the hxd created file to the sd card on mytouch, (assuming that is where I am supposed to be saving it) it states "there is not enough space on the disk".
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
guys, this is not the thread for this topic.....look in the general section...keep this about mytouch rooting/goldcard/nbh only,
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
please do not post repeatedly..there is an edit button.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] setzer715:
Gold Card method does NOT bypass the Signiture check. Dont bother wasting your time trying this. We're going to need an HTC or Google signed image.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Breakthecycle2:
Where would you get this from by chance? Do we still need an ION system dump?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] setzer715:
We need that .nbh from HTC or Google. That or someone to figure out how to bypass the signiture check which happens to be beyond my abilities.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Breakthecycle2:
Ok can get the system dump...by the dude wants to charge me $50 to do it. Anyone want to chip in?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] NguyenHuu:
Arent there any ION owners in this forum that can provide a system dump for free. 50 dollars is a bit much n there's no guarantee he will send to you, ebay sellers are a bit flakely.

I see a lot of ion's for sale on craigslist, i think we can try contacting them. i'll shoot out a couple emails.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] 13bjunkie:
afaik, i don't think the nbh is going to be found in a system dump.

the nbh will the correct keys will have to be obtained through htc/google.

i believe that's how we were able to root the Dream/G1.

and for using an ion nbh with the test keys, i believe the onboard spl is still going to check it.

unless it has the release keys, it may not let you flash it.

or so from what i've read
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
ur right you cant get the nbh from a system dump. BUT the ion nbh is what we are looking for because it has the same keys and then from there can get root.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] 13bjunkie:
lol ok, then I might have missed that particular detail. or at least misread it.

trying to follow this and the other thread gets confusing.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
yeah there was a lot of suggestions and most of them got shot down. I was hoping it would be in the system dump, but i was told different so back to where we were lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Breakthecycle2:
So should I tell this guy yes? Three sellers have offered to this.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
nope dont do it
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
Breakthecycle2, the guy is out to get you. no sense in throwing $50 away. system dump is not hard, and not worth $50 and is not going to yield the file we need. As i speculated a few pages back, the ion is a google developer phone so there is a good posibility that the NBH if there is one, is not signed by release keys, thus would fail on the signature check..
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
who signs the release keys?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
htc would sign them and give them to the carrier, since the ion and the dev phone are developer editions, google probably signs them with test keys.... there may be a chance that htc signs all nbh's maybe someone from htc can clarify??? but im not holding my breath for that...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
im wondering if the real sappimg.nbh would work

edit... but then again they were probably counting on that and is there no other way to change the spl besides fastboot lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
well the spl has to be updated via zip not fastboot but yeah.... the only sappimg that would possibly work would be a rogers i believe. or one of the magic roms that doesnt have a perfect spl.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
you around?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] l3wish:
Anyone on??
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
im here... done with dinner... l3wish gtalk me...jrbourque has my info.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
i messaged you on gtalk.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] NguyenHuu:
gosh all of these Ion folks are money hungry for reals. everyone i msg on craigslist to ask for a system dump asked me how much i willing to pay for it. i'm glad a system dump isnt neccesary anymore.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
i know i tried with a few and i couldnt even talk one person to 10 bucks. what the hell!? its not like pulling teeth. them unhelpful bastards. i swear if i find that one of them is here im gonna well idk have my lil bros hack them or something lol jp!! seriously, them bastards :mad:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] timal:
I have an ion. I will try to get you whatever you need from it. I am out of town until Monday evening. Just PM me instructions and I will burn you whatever you want.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
no go goldcard/sappimg

so im reporting that goldcard plus sappimg is a nogo. still get wrong image. let me know if anyone has any ideas...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
are we sure we are doing the gold card right?? wait till i get my new mytouch next week and i will do it. im super good with windows mobile. im a nothing with android yet. i will make the gold card. i did it for two other completely bricked wings and success!! i hate to say this but im also saying it to myself. be patient.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
well, im about 98% positive i did the goldcard right, i wish you luck...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
fosho yo. im not dogging, but i have used and done the gold card before and it did work. so i def have an idea of what to expect. if it does not work then that sucks but nothing is unbreakable. "where there is a will there is a way"
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
lets colaborate, make me a gold card....here is my sd card serial:

035344535530384780704f3f570089bc
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
i wish it was that easy bro. or i would be making gold cards for everyone!! but its more complex. you have do to everything with that sd card alone. i have no control of your environment. i can talk you thru it but its not different then the tutorial. well idk maybe no diff.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
If the steps are the same as the walkthrough that detox posted I did it and it didn't work. What steps do you use for gold card
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mi|enko:
I'm sure you didn't do it wrong. I did it and worked with Detox for a couple hours and it didn't work.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
we using a different sappimg tho
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Breakthecycle2:
Is there anything I can do here to help?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
unless something else is figured out with golden card we might just be stuck till the right image gets leaked or someone else can think of a way to get root.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
I also wonder, if tmo gets the phone back and want to do stuff with root access do they need to flash something else to it? or is there a way that they access root access? or they dont?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jashsu:
T-Mo doesn't handle phones at all. All repairs and refurbishing is done by third party tech contractors (This is de rigeur in the consumer tech industry, particularly for branded resellers like wireless carriers). They most likely will just apply SAPPIMG.NBH as part of the standard refurbishing process, so no root is ever required.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
ohhhhhhhhh okay. well that sucks lol. There has to be a loop some where. just has to be found
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
update, tried two or three sappimg.nbh files that were given to me, and created several goldcard'd memory cards with no success. still says wrong image...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
im not a devloper but had a couple of questions. We cant flash anything to the my touch because of the spl correct? if so if tmobile/google needed to update the spl / raido / rom they would have to do a ota update and it would have the keys we need. dunno if that is correct but thought i would inquire about it. Even if that is correct we would still be stuck waiting till there was a ota update ....
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
otas only would give us the public key. . our initial idea fell short, as we would not be able to get our hands on private keys. all updates are signed with both pubilc and private.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
ok thanks for the clarification so unless we get a leaked privite key we are sol with the root proccess we know
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] :
no we will prob never get a leaked private key... there may be software exploits that grant root..we will see soon....
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jashsu:
I'm beginning to think that maybe there should be a sticky on PKI. Repeating the same theories that have been debunked earlier in the very same thread is not productive and only causes confusion.

To anyone interested in rooting MyTouch and has a theory: before posting, ask yourself: "does my hack theory rely on already publicly available files?" Because if the answer is "yes", then most likely it has already been tried/debunked. Of course there is the slim remote possibility that there is a method involving no new files (e.g. exploit or backdoor) but if you do come upon one of those, you will most likely know it (e.g. if you find something similar to the root terminal of RC29).

Edit: Just to be clear, I am

not

trying to hamper or suppress the root effort for MyTouch. But let's try to keep the discussion in here on what are really plausible theories.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
Can a nbh img be altered?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jashsu:
NBH is also cryptographically signed.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
so then no, it cant be altered lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
most likely not going to help but when a phone is rest to factory defult via the settings menu what file is it looking at to determin what the defult settings are?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
I can see where you are coming from...I hope it would be a direction we could take lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
but even if we knew what file it was wouldn't we need root to modify it...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
maybe try to swap it with another? but might need root for that too lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
i remember someone saying that there is a program to extract the nbh files...you know when you open a zip file and sometimes can edit it within the zip without have to extract it do that program have that ability??
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] jashsu:
Depends on what program/module you are talking about. For apps, some defaults are created from settings in xml, some are created from hardcoded values when no setting is detected. For low level stuff, settings are defined in various files such as build.prop, init.sh (inside boot partition), and files in /system/etc

Nothing of importance can be modified without root access, unfortunately.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
Im not sure what program you're talking about. Or the idea would work. But i wont shoot it down till someone tells me that it wont work lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
well i guess we have to wait until the mytouch released in stores feel like there is a little bit of people working on this

@jrb.. - just checked out the program you cannot edit the files its command line based..
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
what will mytouch in stores mean?

edit...nvm
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
is there any program on the mytouch that has more authority then we do currently through adb/fastboot?

guessing no but thought i would ask. im guessing the only things that have more authority then us are things we cant access
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
the taskiller has some kind of rights to be able to kill an app maybe?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mykenyc:
No it just kills the processes doesn't need to gain high level access to do that...

i wish we can get a major blog to hype this up as i would see this as a challenge if i was a hacker...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
So someone had to find the loop before. What did they look for to find the loop? maybe we can poke around ourselves and see if we can get any ideas from there. Gotta try to figure out something
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
I know for real...... lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
only if we could use a virus like file to infect some part of the kernel to make all users have root acces
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
I was thinking about something like that today. What if we had to brick the phone and then build back up from there lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
we cant do any real damage to the bootloaders to inflect that type of damage

dont think that would work either to inflect any major change in a file i believe we would have to have root ....
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Rahzelhx:
time out double post
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
well i know it wont work lol and i wouldnt want to take that chance anyways unless i knew it was done already lol
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Jrbourque:
ok people i have no clue if this is true i emailed the person we will see what is returned

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/mob/1299912237.html
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] rockin_mod:
dude what?!?! thats crazy. i hope this is seriously real if so i will start to cry. o god i am already. lol!!