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[Hero, G2 Touch General] ExO_PoLiTiX:
Hey, thanks alot for the reply. I agree, from what i've seen of the magic it does look a bit cheap compared to the hero. Im just saving for the hero and noticed that the magic is almost half the price of the hero. Do you think its justifiable that the hero should be worth spending double on? This would be my first android device and that would play a bit part in it as I am planning to write applications for this OS.
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Dayzee:
Because there are two different RAM specs on the Magic, it makes it less desirable to buy because you're having to make sure you get the higher RAM, but most are the lower so folk arent buying in case. Does that make sense?

As to the plasticky look - I agree to a degree, but - I rather stupidly dropped my Google ION (Magic from the dev's conference) from quite a height and it slid right across the road.... Result - a few small chips in that shiny plastic coating (underneath is definately a metal shell, likely aluminium) Not a scratch or mark on the screen or back of the handset and working perfectly. Its obviously an extremely robust build quality, and I can say the front casing is definately metal coated with shiny plastic. If I'd dropped my G1 it would have been majorly knackered, as the slider would have opened and that hinge is ridiculously precarious.

I'm also thinking bout getting a hero, as I've been well impressed with the adaptability of android phones and the glitches I've seen have been solved within weeks on here by some clever techy. :) Software library is WELL underway and I have copilot on my magic Ion running without a single glitch, though I have heard its buggy if you try to get the app without buying as CoPilot are adding in security measures.....

Regarding probs some people seem to be complaining about with albums and media from SD. In my experience as an owner of G1 then Magic, on FIRST USING any gallery/album type app, allow it to load all... it takes a while, because its creating a thumbs database on the device. Once done, access is really quick after that. :)

Daisy xxx
[Hero, G2 Touch General] zippyioa:
The Magic does have an overly plastic feel to it. A colleague got one today and I am not too convinced by it.

A big plus for the Hero is the 3.5mm headphone jack. FINALLY HTC caught onto the idea that their consumers want this!

The Hero also has the light sensors to automatically adjust screen brightness (if this works - my Omnia never seems to do it right.)

Multitouch is enabled on the Hero too, so you can pinch to zoom internet browser pages. I dont think the Magic has that! :cool:

Ohh yeah and the Flash enabled browser is quit a biggy too (lets just hope the reviews that show it crashing are all early releases and its fixed now!!)

I am only 4 months into a new 18 month contract with Orange but having looked into it a lot over the last few weeks. I want a Hero so much I am likely to pay the £400 SIM free price tag to get one! ;)

Zippyioa
[Hero, G2 Touch General] biggler:
I've got a magic (vodafone UK, lesser ram version :() and love it. My girlfriend has a Hero (orange UK)

I prefer the look of the hero, and in my hand it feels nicer, but that's just preference. I'm more annoyed about the RAM difference grrrrr!:mad:
[Hero, G2 Touch General] Dayzee:
My magic(Ion) has Multitouch Browser :) I'm running a custom ROM. I'm getting my Her0 sometime soon (When stock arrives LOL) so I'll say more then , but won't knock the magic as its a really robust little device, and of course cheaper than a Hero for somone after something on a budget.

Daisy ....
[Hero, G2 Touch General] zippyioa:
I stand corrected then :)

Zippyioa
[G1 General] carlitozway57:
1) Setup or Login to your gizmo5 account page (www.gizmo5.com)

2) There should be a section explicitly for entering your Google Voice username and password. Enter your username and password. Also be sure to make a note of your full 11 digit Gizmo5 number

3) Download and open the SIPDroid app from the market. In the SIPDroid app, hit Menu and press Settings. Enter:

Username: your 11 digit Gizmo5 number (e.g. 17475555555)

Password: your Gizmo5 password

Server: proxy01.sipphone.com

4) Turn on your phone's Wifi connection. Make sure SIPDroid is running (should be in the Ongoing section of the notifications drop down menu).

5) Login to Google Voice (www.google.com/voice). Add & Verify your Gizmo5 number. If you set up SIPDroid correctly and your wifi is working properly, your G1 should ring. It took a few tries for the phone to actually ring but eventually it did for me.

Yes, you need a Google Voice account. No, no one can invite you except Google. Incoming calls on Gizmo5 are free. Outgoing calls are free only in the U.S. International calls are subject to Google Voice's rates. Ask further questions and discuss below!
[G1 General] tissle:
Hmm, so it only works with WiFi?

It doesn't work with 3g/edge?
[G1 General] turboyo:
Thank you very much finally a way to do this!!
[G1 General] carlitozway57:
SIPDroid has an option to do it with 3G but I think this goes against T-Mobile's terms of use.
[G1 General] imbonez9:
this is bs!!! You can get both free without using that!

Here's how:

Use the app GV. call from there. It will then call you with your GV calling you(free on mygay) then call the person. Look you can use it at any time.
[G1 General] carlitozway57:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that would count as incoming minutes.
[G1 General] imbonez9:
Not when you have that number set up as a my number it doesn't.

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[G1 General] uansari1:
I think that's right... so by using Gizmo5, are we just bypassing the use of incoming minutes?

Say if I wanted to call Iran, I would only be paying the 8.2 cents a minute to Iran and not be charged for any minutes with T-mobile?
[G1 General] turboyo:
if 8.2 cents is what google voice charges than yes and no minutes used, also works great if you are outside the country and want to call in, then all you need is some wifi and your good to go FREE..

also not everyone has a my faves plan.. or my gay as that guy calls it :confused: so this is very awesome

BTW install full version and u can talk over 3G ;] http://code.google.com/p/sipdroid/
[G1 General] tekkitan:
not everyone uses myfaves

OP: thanks for the howto, i'm going to try this :)
[G1 General] jashsu:
1) This is not limited to wifi. Install Sipdroid-full from sipdroid.org for access over cellular network (assuming your carrier isn't blocking port 5060).

2) Not sure I trust Gizmo enough at this point to give it my Google password.

3) Gizmo has created a customized version of Sipdroid specifically for the purpose of making and receiving free calls to US numbers using Google Voice. Details here. Again, I haven't tried it myself as I don't trust Gizmo with my Google pw.
[G1 General] Fallen Spartan:
Can I remind everyone that this is a family website and that all language should reflect that

Ta
[G1 General] carlitozway57:
I was under the impression this sort of thing is against T-Mobile's terms and thus, while possible with 3G, not to be done.

And that Guava app is buggy for me. If they straighten it out, would make setup much easier.
[G1 General] turboyo:
So im using this with wifi bc im out of the country.. my outgoing calls work perfect and very clear but they are limited to 3 mins.. Now my incoming calls are my problem.. if someone dials me from google voice to my gizmo5 # it comes through and they hear me perfect but I cant hear them!!!. But if someone dials my google voice number it does not go through to my sipdroid and I dont get the call, not from a land line, not from a cell, and not from google voice they have to dial my sipnumber and only from google voice does it seem to be working.. and when i get the call i hear nothing :/ anyone want to help it would be greatly appreciated

EDIT: just finish posting and i received a call from my mother and it work she heard me i heard her and she dialead my google voice number?? any thoughts
[G1 General] sebeticus:
MiFi Fast Enough Now to Replace Phone

With Verizon's 4G LTE MiFi hotspot and an unlocked iPhone I was able to replace my mobile plan. I'm saving $100/ month. I wrote about it on my blog. You can do a similar thing with SipDroid on android devices.

sebetich dot com /blog
[Touch GSM General] Nullstring:
Hi, I've seen a lot of cooked ROM in this Elf Upgrading Thread and I was wondering how are they changing the RAM(Program) size? isn't it RAM, supposed to be a CHIP and not a program or some sort?

Here's the screenshot, release notes, and links of some ROM with different Storage & Program sizes

[ROM][PTG][13.05.2009] WM6.1 OS 5.2.20771 JADE Core + Manila2D PTG (black)

[ROM][WWE][July 14 '09] Onyx 5.0.1 and Beta 48 (WM6.5) + 4.6 (WM6.1)

Release Notes

and other cooked ROMs

[ROM][WWE][25 April 09] Made in India v2 WINDOWS 6.1[ONLINE](link corrected)

[ROM][WWE]V4.0 Blue Touch ROM CE OS 5.2.1921 (Build 18521.0.7.0)

[ROM][WWE][03.12.08] PDAVIET ROM 3.10.710.66 CE OS 5.2.20764 Build 20764[OFFLINE]

[ROM][WWE][July 23 '09] ELFIN WWE (WM6.5) M2D&BL

My ELFIN has:

Storage: 56.94 MB

Program: 48.02 MB

and am using:

ELFIN WWE 6504 BLACK LIGHT

WM 6.5 CE OS 5.2.23009 Build 23009.5.3.0
[Touch GSM General] havocnl:
They indicate how much ram is free with this rom, not how much ram you have in total.
[Touch GSM General] Nullstring:
@havoncnl I do fully understand what RAM or ROM does, but what I don't understand is, how are they changing the sizes of HTC's Total RAM?
[Touch GSM General] sasa66:
Elfin has 256mb Total Storage and the picture you put in the first post indicate that the free space is 161.77 the rest is occupied by the operating system (ROM) Also it has a RAM 128mb and the free is 75.53 (The rest is needed for ROM to function)

This is what cooked roms all about, by adding and removing stuff from original roms they can vary its size and ram requirements and inturn vary the remaining free space
[Touch GSM General] Noonski:
Ha funny seeing Nullstring was also an Elfer, not an Elfin ;)
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pistol4413:
Does anyone know a terminal command that will reboot into recovery. I kinda hate holding power then home&power......Im lazy sometimes lol
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rigamrts:
get root booter works fine for me it's a paid app so i cannot provide a copy
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tissle:
reboot recovery
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pistol4413:
thanx

So just to be sure its:

Su

Reboot recovery
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] NeoBlade:
Yep, just like the others have stated its just

su

reboot recovery

Please add [SOLVED] to the thread title pistol4413 as it answered the question ^_^

I should probably add that line to my sig, saves typing/copying and pasting :P
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] pistol4413:
k

Thanx and I will edit it. Maybe the MODS & ADMINS should make that mandatory to save a lot of reposts
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LivinOne:
I have an IP Camera setup. It supports 3GPP, MJPEG, and MPEG4... how can I get it to work on WM6.5?

I have tried the Streaming Media app in the builds and it will not connect.

I have tried rtsp://<ip address> & http://<ip address>

thx for the help!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
God said unto his children, " I HAVE PROVIDED YE A SEARCH FUNCTION AND YE SHOULD USE IT" and his children did and it was GOOOOD!

I know that the answer has been given! AMEN

use tcpmp
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LivinOne:
I did search, and always do.

Are you saying that the Streaming Medai app that comes in the ROMs adoes not work?

I'd think the chefs would not include it if it did not?

I'd like to use that app if it works and not install something new.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
Why ask for help if you won't take the answer. The guys that make these roms don't test that sort of thing.

should I assume that you're also using the port after the ip address and that the port is open in your router?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] LivinOne:
I'm happy to have an answer but you never said the built-in Streaming Media player did not work - which I'd prefer to use if it does since it is already in the ROMs.

A google search leads to several forums which say the HTC Streaming Media player does. I was hoping for people that have used it to post some info on it.

The ONLY thread I could find on this site discussing it is very old, and for a different phone, but says the Streaming Media app does work...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=341755&highlight=streaming+media

If you have a link to a recent discussion on this please post.

no matter what URL I try, with/out a port #, the app says "Invalid URL"

thank you for your help
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
one of the posts I read said they used the windows media player to view the cam.. thats installed on it.
[G1 Apps and Games] atlmatt:
I need to set-up my work email to deliver to my phone,

I tried the exchange email app with Cyan. Rom but I am not sure how to set it up, or if it is compaitable with our work email..

What are you other users doing about getting your work email
[G1 Apps and Games] brian_v3ntura:
are you talking abt microsoft exxhange?

or a yahoo email etc..
[G1 Apps and Games] jashsu:
Using the HTC "Work Mail" Exchange client ripped from MyTouch 3G. Also have a Moxier Mail license, but its a little bulkier than HTC Work Mail for my needs.
[G1 Apps and Games] atlmatt:
I would like to use the WORK MAIL...

Just not sure how to set it up, domain name??? Server Name??
[G1 Apps and Games] Chahk:
You need to ask your IT department at work for that info.
[G1 Apps and Games] atlmatt:
HA HA HA

IT dept....

I'll figure it out next time i am at the office.... Small construction company,
[G1 Apps and Games] jashsu:
Generally speaking, if your company uses Exchange mail and has a web URL, then this is what you would enter:

(Example website url http://www.example.com/)

Server address: either mail.example.com -or- exchange.example.com

Domain: example.com

If those don't work, you'll probably need to ask whoever set up your company email what the proper settings are. If you are told some pop or imap settings, then that is not Exchange mail.
[G1 Android Development] prash:
Awesome work, I'll try this out on my next rom switch. Can't ever have too many scripts I say.
[G1 Android Development] haitiankid4lyf:
added to my collection of scripts
[G1 Android Development] Binary100100:
This may sound like a silly question but please forgive me as I have not yet flashed the haykuro spl.

Once you've flashed the new spl, instead of flashing the update.zip of the cyanogen rom, can't you use nandroid restore? Or will that restore the previous spl as well (in my case HARD SPL)?

I ask because I would like to try the spl, but I'm so comfortable with my rom and settings that I would hate to wipe just to try Hero which is still in development. Call me crazy, but I like stable and finished builds. But I am curious and with a lot of time on my hands but not so much that I'm willing to lose everything just to try something that I'm not going to keep.

With this script, it would make it so much easier and would allow us to switch roms on the fly... but would it work from Hero builds and non-Hero builds?
[G1 Android Development] devsk:
I don't think I know enough about the SPL image contents to comment on this. But as far as I know SPL is not touched by nandroid restore. I upgraded the radio and SPL (haykuro) first, and then went with updating my ROM. I will never flash radio and SPL unless and until I really need to.

This script is just taking the pain out of switching between ROMs (whether Hero or Cyano or official) and nicely organizes your ROM backups. So, to answer your question:

Yes. It would! I have switched between drizzy's Hero ROM and JACMyTouchSki (my favorite) many times using this. The restore is perfect!
[G1 Android Development] rondey-:
Considering the most amount of bricks come from radio/spl updates, I dont think this script would integrate backing up and restoring them. Same reason why rom's themselves dont include the latest radio/spl in the update.zip when it is required by the rom.
[G1 Android Development] Binary100100:
Okay... so I'm running cyanogen's rom now with hardspl.

I back it up and lable it "Cyan 3.9"

I install the Haykuro spl (I already have the radio)

I install a Hero rom.

I try the Hero rom.

I backup the Hero rom and lable it "Hero"

I can then restore "Cyan 3.9" and still have the Haykuro spl.

Correct?
[G1 Android Development] devsk:
Make sure you use labels which don't have whitespace or other special characters in the name like use Cyan-3.9 instead of "Cyan 3.9". I don't think script likes it much at this time. I need to fix that.
[G1 Android Development] rondey-:
The only difference between this and a "typical" nandroid restore should just be that it copies your ext2/3/4 partition for the app data. It wasnt listed anywhere that it would backup/restore your spl/radio.

Prior to flashing the haykuro spl I made a nandroid backup of the cyanogen rom I was using. I tested a hero rom and restored a nandroid backup of the cyanogen rom I was running and the new radio/spl were in place.
[G1 Android Development] cyanogen:
I think you need to dump all of mtd6ro and extract radio/spl by hand if you need to. Nandroid doesn't touch either of them.
[G1 Android Development] Binary100100:
Sweet! This was the exact answer that I was hoping and searching for for hours. Thank you very much. I've been getting guesses and theories this whole time and I knew someone out there just had to have personal experience with it. Thank you.
[G1 Android Development] johnnylicious:
WOW amazing script!! just downloaded and used it

works very well!! can't wait to see what else you can do with it.
[G1 Android Development] innerspace:
the perfect addition to a world that includes xda devs. nice work!
[G1 Android Development] mookie3three:
This may a dumb question, but why is it necessary to do this if your app data is still sitting on your ext partition, isnt it going to look for apps there anyway if you have apps2sd setup automatically like in a CM rom?

Cheers
[G1 Android Development] pensive:
The current version of nandroid lets you switch

Between backups, but not all options are yet connected to the UI.
[G1 Android Development] ccunningham83:
I must be missing something...

I would like to say first, I am sure there is something I am missing, but to me it would just seem easier to do this in the terminal:

Make a copy of whatever ROM you want to use and rename it to update.zip. I will use Soulife's Ion for example. Also using the assumption you have an update.zip file on hand. You can use the ls command to see what all ROMs you have on your sdcard.

$ su

# cd /sdcard

# rm -r update.zip

# cp soulife.ion.v.1.2.2.zip /sdcard/update.zip

# reboot recovery

Flash as normal

I usually keep my phone backed up using backup for root users. So I just restore all my text messages and settings from the SD card and that is it.

I guess that is more typing, but to me each individual command it simpler.
[G1 Android Development] devsk:
Apps data is not portable between ROMs. You need to clean it up otherwise expect random FCs.
[G1 Android Development] devsk:
And lose all that you did with your current ROM. I think you did not get the point of this script....:D This is for people who have setup their phone well with a ROM and don't want to lose its goodness but still want to test other ROMs and possibly have a couple of them on their phone which they can switch to & from.
[G1 Android Development] Chahk:
The thing you are missing is that many apps do not have an option to export their settings, nor do they store them in an easily accessible place. Even if you manage to pull their settings off /data/data/ folders, you still have problems with restoring them. First off, you have to worry about their Linux permissions since they don't get preserved on the Fat32 partition. Second, simply pushing back the setting folders won't work for apps that use SQLlite database to store account info, so you're stuck with re-entering everything manually.

Take K9 Mail for example. I have 4 accounts (both IMAP and POP3) that I have to set up every time I wipe my phone or reformat the Ext partition. Same with progress on most games. A tar of the entire Ext partition combined with a Nandroid image resolves most of these issues.
[G1 Android Development] Zappza:
I get an error during backup.

I take a nandroid backup, enter recovery terminal, type in "mount /sdcard" enter "sh /sdcard/switchrom.sh store lastramjet" type in yes at the confirmation prompt and the script starts it's magic.

However, after the "moving nandroid (or something)" I get an error saying "Cannot umount /sdcard device/resource in use/busy". After that I get a successfully bookmarked the backup message.

Not sure if this matters, but just wanted to let you know :)
[G1 Android Development] serial thriller:
Any way that we can merge the two (this and nandroid) and maybe just have nandroid with an option to backup the ext2/3 partition? Would be much easier.

Note: I haven't tried this yet, just was looking at the steps. I will try this very soon as I am switching from Cyanogen's and JAC's roms.
[G1 Android Development] overground:
Separation is in the works according to the developer. Don't know if it'll be an option at backup or restore. Both would be nice. One of the things I liked about the old script is the ability to make a nandroid the latest. An option of separation at backup would allow this, without having to backup the EXT data if it is not needed. This has so many possibilities that it is inevitable that it will be incorporated into a future recovery image.

Also, I know this is getting greedy, but an option to backup the whole EXT would be cool because different builds can use different user.conf option settings (i.e. compcache enabled/disabled) and other things stored on /system/sd that could be build specific. Just backing up the whole EXT, in certain situations, would preserve those settings as the ROM/user required. I'm fine just editing/pushing those back manually, though. Just a thought.

EDIT: Upon thinking about it, I don't know how well my last idea would play with switchrom.sh as it is also contained in /system/sd. Maybe not possible. All of this housed in a recovery console...totally possible.
[G1 Android Development] PlatinumMOTO:
will this retain my data like all my email even after a wipe?
[G1 Android Development] overground:
Yes, a restore will bring your system, data, apps, sms, email and settings to the exact status of the point where you made your backup. The only things not backed up/restored are items residing in /system/sd which are not contained in app, app-private, app_s, or dalvik.
[G1 Android Development] devsk:
exactly right!