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[P3400 ROM Development] Addicted2xda:
-100 to krazy :D.

Me and haree has been shouting it about 1 year now :D.

Wont work :mad:
[G1 Android Development] vishurao:
(Mods, delete if you think this is useless)

I tried Jac's 2.3.5, DrizzieNRosie, IonR2, soulife1.1.

I took "time it takes to ring" as a benchmark.

T1 = Time at which the CALLER hears the ring.

T2 = Time at which the G1 starts rining.

T2-T1 = time i am reporting.

Results:

Soulife1.1 = Too small an interval to measure without the use of advance measurements.

IonR2 = Same as Soulife1.1

Jacs 2.3.5 = approx 5 seconds (3-4 rings)

DnR = approx 5 seconds (3-4 rings)

Is this observation common to all? Or its just my G1 which has given up on me.
[G1 Android Development] rb2k:
You're benchmarking the phone network, NOT your devices...
[G1 Android Development] Radio4ctive:
Well, rb2k, I'm assuming he is on the same network for all of the tested builds. That makes it a constant, not a variable. Also I am assuming that it is from the same line to the phone each time. That makes this an acceptable test. Nice idea.

And yeah, that's about right. Haha.
[G1 Android Development] vishurao:
please read again.

carefully.
[G1 Android Development] jklong03:
Basic idea good

Real problem for me is each ROM version has strengths in different areas. How useful is a fastest time to ring if browser sucks or gmail takes forever to load?
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
Well considering its a phone, I would think that ringing is more important than browsing/email.

That said, although I think the Hero Browser is nice, the fact that it is 4X slower than the Ion Browser leaves me going with the function over fashion.

Same can be said about 95% of Hero. Its beautiful, but not intended for the G1. :(
[G1 Android Development] vishurao:
fastest time to ring = you are able to answer the phone before the other person hangs up assuming no response.

A phone is first a phone :( at least for me!
[G1 Android Development] vishurao:
besides, you can get a cheap netbook for less than 200$. That will be amazing in browsing and gmail. and movies!
[G1 Android Development] rb2k:
Your network is NOT a constant... GSM/UMTS Networks have HEAVY fluctuations (especiall the switching between UMTS/GSM <-> POTS)

A whole lot of Infrastructure (Node B, BTS, MSC, GMSC, HLR, SGSN, ...) can't be expected to behave the same on arbitrary tests
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
He's right.

Also, without disclosing your sample sizes (i'm assuming you made more than just one test call per build...) and standard deviations, your statistics are pretty much useless.
[G1 Android Development] N0xTrUm:
I have the same problem with JackHero and its derivatives, it never sounds before the fourth ring
[G1 Android Development] zgmf-x322a:
im running on Drizzy's latest hero rom.......the phone ringing lags too much....

my friend's called my phone......after about 6-7 rings.....(on his phone) my phone started to show up the name and stuff........and then my friend hung up.....my phone started ringing for a number of secs.......i kept pressing the end call button but it didnt work..........just lag.......time lag or stuff
[G1 Android Development] jin2009:
I was having the same problem with Jacman rom 2.33 before. When the phone rings, the cpu of the phone goes up to 100%. So i go back to jacman version 2.1, everything is running smooth there. The g1 shows up the contact in second ring. I hope this helps!
[G1 Android Development] xyrcncp:
I just called my cell from my office phone 5 times and all 5 times my cell rang at the first ring. I'm still on JAC's 2.3.3 though.
[G1 Android Development] ckrest:
Yea, like mentioned before this benchmark won't really tell much at all. Even if you call the same # it can take an alternate path to get there.. You would need a protocol analyzer and set the start time of when the phone receives the paging notification and when the audible ring is heard on the G1. The far end hearing the ringback tells you absolutely nothing.. You could hear ringback from the calling party a couple seconds before you the called G1 actually starts ringing due to network latency (including extra features on your mobile accounts)
[G1 Android Development] munnabhai13:
is it possible for change the number of seconds it takes for a call to be forwarded to ur vmail?
[G1 Android Development] vishurao:
OK. I will get all that setup done and will try and findout why the moment i flash Latest jac's hero image, the whole network (and not the phone) slows down.

In the meantime, lets have a couple of ground rules:

1. Lets not assume that everyone on xda except you is a dumbass.

2. Lets not assume that everyone on xda except you doesnt know how to test or doesnt know about average/mean/median calculations.

3. Finally, lets not try and dissuade someone without carrying out the experiments yourself. Especially when more than one person has faced the same issue with the newer roms.

btw, i work in mobile sector. Have knowledge about the OS's internals, infact, worked on android. and also know a lot about the telephony stack and the protocol.

EDIT:

Apology for the stupid ignorant behavior http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4094973&postcount=36
[G1 Android Development] xxvtcxx:
Anandtech compared the Pre, 3GS, and the G1 using these benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3587

Thinking he ran these benchmarks on a stock G1 @ 384Mhz, I re-ran these tests on Cyanogen's 3.6.2 build, @ 528 Mhz.

(CM 3.6.2 @528mhz)

Launch Time (Secs)

Web Browser......4.3 s

Dialer................1.4 s

Google Maps.......3.9 s

Camera..............4.9 s

Email.................1.7 s

(CM 3.6.2 @528mhz)

WiFi Load Time (Secs)

........................ Browser | Steel |

anandtech.com ...... 16.6 | 14.5 |

arstechnica.com ..... 16.8 | 12.8 |

hothardware.com .... 26.6 | 22.2 |

pcper.com ............. 26.2 | 24.9 |

digg.com ............... 38.2 | 38.2 |

techreport.com....... 14.2 | 12.5 |

tomshardware.com... 25.2 | 20.7 |

slashdot.org ........... 40.7 | 38.7 |
[G1 Android Development] brandenk:
Regardless of all the nitpicking I think anyone who has used Ion and Hero can vouch for these results. When I get a call in Hero I can see the gears turning and things slow down to a grind and eventually the phone brings up the call. This is not the case on Ion, the moment you have any inclination to think there is something incoming it is already on the screen.

It would seem the phone is receiving the call in the same amount of time regardless of build but because the Hero builds are slower it takes longer to show on screen, ring, vibrate, get the callers photo, etc.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
I can also vouch for the results as I've noticed an overall decrease in phone speeds with hero.

EDIT: I forgot that telnet only works for the emulator. Anyone know a way of simulating a call via adb, or a way of using telnet with a phone rather than the emulator?

However, for resting sake I think you can it out the network completely and use a telnet session to test the software response time. This may not be exactly how to do it as I'm not hope at the moment but this should be close enough to figure out...

telnet localhost 5554
gsm call 1234567
[\CODE]

this should simulate a gsm call via your computers terminal and show you exactly how long it takes the roms to recognize and answer a call
[G1 Android Development] cal3thousand:
What's with all the down talk on the OP's observations?

You need to run tests as well before you criticize his methods. Although they won't stand up in court, they do show a general correlation that agrees with his initial observation (<--- due to use), as well as the observations of others.

Are his comments now legitimized by Stericson? I'm afraid so, but they should have been taken more seriously to begin. I feel many are here defending their choice of ROM flavors and don't want to admit that there may be some room for improvement. Really? is it perfect?

I don't see anyone complaining about Cyanogen... why? because its fast... Why are people complaining about certain Hero ROMs... because they are slow.

Everyone that doesn't like the OPs observations, please do some testing yourself and present your own amazing scientific methodology.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
From terminal try doing the following and then retesting.

$ su

# renice -20 -u com.android.phone

# exit

I tried a similar command last night to prevent andoid from killing the SmsReceiverService thinking that was the cause of the lost sms problem.

renice basically sets the priority for a process, -20 being the highest priority. This may stop dalvik from killing the phone process and speedup ringtime.
[G1 Android Development] ckrest:
Dont really appreciate your tone. I was only giving feedback so that you don't waste your time. I wasted hours trying to find a reasonable benchmark system for these different ROM's and could not. I called nobody nor insinuated that anybody was a dumb ass, I was only offering an EDUCATED response in hopes to save you time. Of course the phone's CPU lagging or RAM overload will increase the time before it plays the ringtone, but if you don't have a constant before that point its useless.. thats just common sense. I was offering you a step outside of common sense by helping you understand that you are wasting your time using this method as a benchmark.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
Even taking network fluctuations into account there are still valid points here.

If you really wanted to you could do a larger scale test taking the average of 50 calls or something on each Ron. This large of a test group would in effect nullify the affects of the network. That being said, everyone who has gone from cyanogens tons to a hero Ron will probably agree that it is slower. It is hard to argue that network alone would account for the difference of 3-5 seconds when tests were run on the same network at roughly the same time.
[G1 Android Development] ckrest:
Keep in mind I wasn't debating the validity of JacHero modified ROM being slower than Cyanogen's.. The Hero ROM has UI enhancements and application overlay's ontop of the VM, all while being designed for another device and not supported on ours, whereas cyanogen's will be noticably faster due to the fact its the supported ROM w/performance enhancements & tweaks. I haven't tried JackHERO 2.5 but installing it now to test out..I have been using Cyanogen's and absolutely love it. Performance is amazing and his support of his modified ROM is equally as amazing.
[G1 Android Development] Six6Sicks:
If that was true you wouldn't be on XDA :)
[G1 Android Development] temporizer:
Actually, in most cases i would agree.

but you can use this "phone" as a computer first and then add an application to make it a phone. Thats all they did.
[G1 Android Development] temporizer:
Name calling is not welcomed here. we are all noobs about something or other.

Accept that everyone has their own opinions about anything and everything. Don't put someone down because you don't agree, or you think their "intellegence" level in this area may or may not be above or below yours.

I'll say it again, Name calling is not welcomed here. Play nice or don't play at all. Good day.
[G1 Android Development] a1t:
I agree

Well, if my calculations are correct, and if I multiply the number of rings by the circumference of George Washingtons nose I conclude that...

Bottom line...I have noticed a huge lag in the time it takes to start ringing on every hero roms. Ion is the fastest. I get so many complaints from friends/family that it takes about 10-15 rings (no joke) before I answer. I pick up in 1-2.

I have not done any formal testing but for what its worth, it is happening to me as well. this started back in Nov 08 after obtaining root.
[G1 Android Development] temporizer:
I have tried every rom here. My opinion is that Cyanogens rom is best. Its really fast and stable. That's my opinion tho.
[G1 Android Development] KyleK29:
I've noticed this with the HERO rom's too. I'll get one, maybe two rings and then it'll kick to voice mail.
[G1 Android Development] KyleK29:
I've noticed this with the HERO rom's too. I'll get one, maybe two rings and then it'll kick to voice mail. Doesn't always happen. But it does happen.
[G1 Android Development] stellarman:
Thanks for this. I will give this a test. Looks like a reasonable, useful solution.
[G1 Android Development] im.l0ltn:
What you could do is take your phone and place it next to your speakers. Call your phone then start timing it at the point where you hear the interference and end it when your phone actually rings. Some builds do react slower then others, and its usually because of the dialer app and the memory. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong though but you can't really use this method to benchmark the performance of different roms.
[G1 Android Development] dallas.maverick:
Sorry to say this but you sound very ignorant. Are you still employed, if so, calm down before you get you ass kicked out and working 100% on the "sectors". Let the man say his words, its his opinion, don't make a fool of youself by posting these ignorant baseless comments. I don't care you work in telecom sector or on android. Build your credibility before bashing anyone like ckrest again.
[G1 Android Development] vishurao:
I am sorry for the name calling., Just that, in the past two days, I have seen many comments in other discussion where one or two "senior" members would buttkick something said by "junior" members and would offer suggestions that, well frankly, a 10 year old will do first.

I think it was all the anger from those people that came down on ckrest.

I apologize for my behavior. Sorry Ckrest. Sorry others..
[G1 Android Development] Sirus20x6:
also those rings are at constant intervals ... where you happen to jump in on the ring ....

this is even before whe talk about the cellular part of the network, but yeah i hate phones. you could call it a phobia ... ok i hate calling, not phones exactly. i have gotten a few calls that i've answer with my g1 since I got it. calls are ok in an emergency i guess.
[G1 Android Development] lukekirstein:
I've learned to do this by mistake as well, haha. Works best with earbuds plugged into the speakers or the speakers turned way up. But as soon as you get a text or call, you can hear the speakers start creating morse code or something similar. That's the interference.

Now what that does to your phone/speakers, I may never know :p
[G1 Android Development] Sirus20x6:
Thats a GSM interference "Thang" ... bup baddda dup badda dup baddaaaaaaa dddadadaddada
[G1 Android Development] NeoBlade:
Yeah, also try not to put your mobile next to your old CRT TVs as well for the same reasons :P

Basically though its a known issue since the Hero builds were not designed for the G1 hardware. If making calls is so high on the priority, then switch ROMs. As making calls should be rated higher than eye candy... Right? ^_^;;
[G1 Android Development] vroomr4:
Jac's 2.3.6 rom. The screen changes instantly to show that there's an incoming call when I'm calling from the house phone. As soon as I hear a ring on the house phone I see the screen change on my phone. I'm on T-mobile's network in los angeles. It rings and vibrates half a second later.

I tested sms by emailing to my phone number on tmomail.net . It's been 2minutes and still waiting. Conversely, I sent a text to my gmail from my cell and got it instantly.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
The name-calling and acerbic reply only diminishes your own credibility.
[G1 Android Development] dallas.maverick:
No problem my friend. Sorry I came down hard on you for bashing ckrest.
[G1 Android Development] Deuces:
on top of the device being unusably slow with most all hero builds, the phone ring time was one of the biggest issues for me too. Everybody that called me said it rang 4-6 rings before i answered, and that sometimes it'd go to voicemail and i never got a missed call.

ive been loving the hell out of soulife's ion remix, so fast, so functional, and still cool looking.
[G1 Android Development] cal3thousand:
Also understand that we are not trying to earn our thesis on this subject. You are taking it way too far and reading too far into testing protocol and precision. It is simply a way of "scoring" performance.

Before a single number was even measured, there were observations made from people and the time they spent using the device.

Its not fair to say "before that point its useless..." because there are certainly correlations that even you can agree with: "Of course the phone's CPU lagging or RAM overload will increase the time before it plays the ringtone"

what we are noticing is that there IS a noticeable effect of phone lag on the amount of rings before the device allows you to answer the call. Its just that simple... no one is looking to exactly quantify the differences.
[G1 Android Development] cal3thousand:
That's a very good idea!
[G1 Android Development] bhang:
nice work, even if you didnt use the scientific method

Id say it was only meant as an observation, not a scientific test, I too have notice much lag, most of the time the vibe works then the audio then the display will show who's calling, I had so much sh1t running in the bkrnd sometimes it would be forwarded just a few seconds before it jumps to my youmail, cyanogen everything other than the "dangerous spl" android plus theme, apps to sd no swap and no OC, after adding OC{raising my minimum) and ading swap to my fat32, which means I cant mount my sd in situ, but I always use a usb reader anyhow, as I corrupted my sd like 5000 times before it was decided it was running swapper on fat32 and connecting to the pc, which my desktop charger did everytime I charged, which was rare since I have 3 batteries and just rotate them into the xtra charger on the deskstand.

im gonna pop my sd into my N810 internet tablet and use gparted to add my swap the real way.

bhang
[G1 Android Development] therealdarkdemon:
something ive noticed

ok something ive noticed cause i have has the same problems and it is very aggravating but when id receive a call the home keys all lit up and it would take 2 seconds before the screen lit up then another 4-6 seconds before i could answer the phone and by then they got my voice mail

and of course i go to call back and their attempting to call me again which we know doesnt work well lol BUT I also had a caller id app i had purchased way back well i uninstalled the app and now it takes bout half a second b4 i can answer the phone once the keys light up rather then 6-8 seconds and it lights up instantly so saying if you have applications that activate when receiving a call that WILL slow down your answering time so get rid of what you dont need i hope this helps some of you
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djsolidsnake86:
with latest version of wisbar advance, on wm 6.5, i have the start bar at the top with no transparency

there is a way for fix this problem?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Upquark:
Seems it won't be fixed until 4.0.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] djsolidsnake86:
i see

there are 4.0 betas?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Upquark:
See http://www.lakeridgesoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=15496.

No betas atm, but hopefully in July.
[HTC Excalibur] Ajrgonz:
OK daughter's BB Curve was stolen last week and was setting up the extra Dash that I have for a backup phone. You may want to make it a sticky

Here are the settings to send MMS on an Unlocked T-Mobile Dash.

They work on My Dash and the one I just set up.

Using an HTC s620 (unlocked Tmobile Dash) on AT&T’s network

Proxy Settings

Start>Settings>Connections>Proxy> Menu>Add

Description: AT&T WAP

Connects from: The Internet

Connects to: WAP network

Proxy (name: port): wireless.cingular.com:80

Type: HTTP

Username: (leave blank)

Password: (leave blank)

GPRS Connections

Start>Settings>Connections>GPRS>Menu>Add

Description: AT&T IMS

Connects to: The Internet

Access point: wap.cingular

User name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM

Password: CINGULAR1

Authentication Type: None

Primary DNS: (leave blank...will later default to 0.0.0.0)

Secondary DNS: (leave blank...will later default to 0.0.0.0)

IP address: (blank)

Start>Settings>Connections>GPRS>Menu>Add

Description: MEdia Net

Connects to: The Internet

Access point: wap.cingular

User name: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM

Password: CINGULAR1

Authentication Type: CHAP

Primary DNS: (leave blank...will later default to 0.0.0.0)

Secondary DNS: (leave blank...will later default to 0.0.0.0)

IP address: (blank)

Advanced Connections Settings

Start>Settings>Connections>Menu>Advanced

Internet Connection: Automatic

Work Connection: Automatic

WAP Connection: Automatic

Secure WAP Connection: Automatic

Open Internet Explorer,

Menu>Tools>Options>Connections

Auto Detect Settings: Unchecked

Select Network: The Internet

MMS SETUP

(Text/Multimedia), Menu, New, MMS, Menu, Options, Message Options, Menu, MMSC Settings, Menu, New

o Name: Cingular MMS

o MMSC URL: http://mmsc.cingular.com

o WAP Gateway: wireless.cingular.com

o Port: 80

o Connect Via: The Internet

o Max. Sending Size: 300K

o WAP Version: WAP 2.0

Click Done

Menu>Set as Default

Click Done to return to the MMS Preferences Screen

Check the following boxes:

- Automatic download in home & roaming network

- Save sent messages

- Allow delivery report

- Allow read report

No. of Attempts: 3

Photo Resolution: Original Resolution

Click DONE

Forward Message
[General Questions and Answers] 6mdx:
Hi i recently puchased a O2 XDA11s that has been upgraded to WM6.5 pro by Xplode. Trouble is 5 min after i turned it on it had a white screen with a message thanking me for using the beta version and saying it has expired.

The whole thing then looks up. A hard reset will repeat the process. It will go into boot loader mode but have been unsucessfull in making any changes.

Any way to fix this???

I am a newby to this so use simple words please.

cheers Robert
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
Welcome to the forum

Perhaps that ROM has a time bomb

Have a deep read here and perhaps you have to change your ROM

http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blueangel

Good luck,
[General Questions and Answers] YOSEFE:
I had the exact problem with my X7500 Advantage. The ROM installed is no good as it is timed to expire.

You just have to find another ROM from a different ROM cook. Search the forums on xda-developers.
[General Questions and Answers] 6mdx:
hi guys thanks for the comments. I will read (study) the link. I should have added that the whole thing seems to work ok if I just set the date wrong.

the rom data is 6.5.21wwe, r 1.12.00, 133.47 if that helps identify the version loaded

cheers Robert
[General Questions and Answers] indagroove:
You are using an old sys version that had a timebomb. Just update to a newer version. Most of the builds from the past month have the timebomb removed.
[General Questions and Answers] salisburyl:
go groove they need this
[General Questions and Answers] cmstackar:
Yeah xplode's old roms all stop working after a while. Try using the new R7 release
[General Questions and Answers] 6mdx:
thanks guys, can anyone provide a link to one of the later versions without the timbomb please, the only ones I can find are back in march on pliny.

cheers Robert