yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Android Development] johnnylicious:
that is very correct good analysis =D
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
You are late my friend the Egde is on the 3g network, google it.
[G1 Android Development] seanhassars:
kind of like t-mobile, where edge and 3g, while part of the same network, are not the same.
[G1 Android Development] johnnylicious:
yeah edge and 3G are different on t-mobile networks

Edge is much slower.

but yeah.

back on topic guys...
[G1 Android Development] xyrcncp:
Same here. H only in 3G areas, and get 3G speeds.

Tested your settings Johnny, and got SMS and MMS both on E and H.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
Please for those who are still having problems try it for yourself. if thoes that are ok with there sms or mms I am happy for you. But this is for those who are having problem still. test it out for yourselfs.
[G1 Android Development] jdwme:
seems like it has something to do with apn settings, not the network.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
I try Johnny setting and still had the H not the E. turn on 2g same thing, went from H to E even on Johnny settings.
[G1 Android Development] johnnylicious:
Correct, when turning on that function "Save Battery using 2G networks"

it means you won't connect to any "3G" networks you will only use EDGE network connections.

if you uncheck the "Save Battery Using 2g Network" when your in a 3G network zone your edge will turn into 3G

its not that complicated guys ahhah.

you guys are turning and twisting this stuff around like crazy

hope this clears it up for you guys.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
But he problem for some are, that they dont get all of the texts. on H aka 3g. even with the apn settings.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
Not trying to hijack this thread, there are just so many "my SMS isn't working" threads that I didn't want to start another. For those who are still looking for answers I have another possible solution. I stupidly mounted my SD card while swapper was running and corrupted my card. I don't have an ext2/3 back up yet so I am running on an older cupcake rom that doesn't require apps2sd.

Those of you who are having SMS issues still, go into terminal and enter

$ su
# renice -20 -u com.android.mms.transaction.SmsReceiverService
# exit

Then conduct the usual SMS testing, i.e. browsing the internet and having someone else message you consecutive numbers/letter or some other message scheme so you can ensure all went through and know which ones you missed.

I am basing this on the idea that Dalvik is killing off the SMS receiver to regain the memory and in doing so is missing messages seemingly randomly. You can google renice for more info, but basically it gives a priority rating to the process. -20 is the highest priority, meaning it is rated a -20 at being nice to the other processes (will kill them before itself). It's a very weird concept for prioritizing, but it may just give us what we need.

Like I said, I don't currently have Hero installed so take a few seconds and give this a try. Report back with the findings. If it doesn't work then nothing bad will be done, the process will more then likely just hold on to that priority level until you reboot at which point it will be set back to it's default "niceness"
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
sorry this is only for Hero but if some one can help you please Pm him.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
I mean this to be a fix for Hero, sorry guess I didn't make that clear.

I'm working on getting my ext2 partition back without a Linuxbox so I can reinstall hero, but until then I just thought I'd toss out my possible solution for others to fix.

I'm thinking Hero kills off the SmsReceiverManager often, inadvertantly throwing away messages before we see them.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
I see what you are saying but the Network to run hero world be a 3.5g to 4g network that is not in the states but over seas. The Hero when coming out in the states will run on the 3g network not 3.5 or 4g I think that the H will be and E by the time it hits the states.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
I see what you're getting at and it's possible that the network connection is causing the SMS issues, but I would suspect it would be a driver issue rather than the network if going down that avenue. As was stated a page or 2 back, SMS and MMS go through the voice connection, not the data. Keep in mind we saw H listing our 3G connections going all the way back to Haykuro's cupcake builds with his HTC vs Google roms.

That being said, if going to 2G only fixes some peoples messaging then we should all try it. I'll give it a shot when I get Hero back up and running.

I still think those getting the SMS issue after switching to 2G only or those who have been in an Edge-only area and are having the same issues should try what I posted. If it is a memory issue this should in theory prevent Dalvik from killing off the SmsReceiverService. You can do similar things for acore and gapps, as people were originally having problems with them forceclosing due to memory constraints.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
double post, my bad
[G1 Android Development] PsychoKilla666:
exactly correct. I have not had any problem with mms and sms until I flash Drizzy last night. My settings worked perfectly on default until Drizzy Hero. Now I tried johnnys settings and the only difference is adding the "*". It still did not work on Drizzy UNTIL I turned off 3g [use 2g only] now this is very disappointing since it used to work on 3g for me prior to this new build
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
When the new hero came out I was get about 90% of my text Then I found out as I start flashing other builds that I was not getting as many text so change my apn about 3 diffrenet setting. and still on H. so I swich over to 2g and got the E, it is alittle slower but I am getting 100% of my text and Mms. On the plus side it save my battery....lol I did so checks on the tmobile network Edge is really 2.5/3g.
[G1 Android Development] stopjockingme@gmail.com:
Edge is not 3G

Edge is EDGE, 2g/2.5g and ONLY that.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
edge is 3G standard

GPRS, EDGE and 1xRTT are bolt-ons to existing 2G cellular systems, providing Internet access to users of existing 2G networks (it should be noted that technically both EDGE and 1xRTT are 3G standards, as defined by the ITU, but are generally deployed on existing networks.) 3G systems such as EV-DO, W-CDMA (including HSDPA and HSUPA) provide combined circuit switched and packet switched data and voice services as standard, usually at better data rates than the 2G extensions. All of these services can be used to provide combined mobile phone access and Internet access at remote locations. Typically GPRS and 1xRTT are used to provide stripped down, mobile phone oriented, Internet access, such as WAP, multimedia messaging, and the downloading of ring-tones, whereas EV-DO and HSDPA's higher speeds make them suitable for use as a broadband replacement.
[G1 Android Development] PsychoKilla666:
Ya T-Mo EDGE is so slow compared to their 3G [H]
[G1 Android Development] twistedumbrella:
Fixes by circumstance:

Apn applies to people never getting messages at all

SmsReceiver applies to those whose keyboard flashes (incoming notifier) but never see a message.

Also, if you have an older build you want to clear the dalvik on the sd to prevent future issues.

Sorry if this was covered I'm on my phone not home
[G1 Android Development] stopjockingme@gmail.com:
So where did you copy and paste this from.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
take you time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wireless_data_standards
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
I understand and I do. but for me when i went to 2g the E came up and I started to get 100% of all texts.
[G1 Android Development] jdwme:
well all the confusion over h and 3g will be over with jacs new build, he's replacing the H icon with a 3g one, so that solves that, he also seems to be addressing the sms issue, check out his changelog in his thread
[G1 Android Development] jaroque:
Sheer coincidence. Does that mean if you cancel your data plan, you won't get any texts? Or what if you're on wifi?

SMS can work with no relationship to a data connection.
[G1 Android Development] johnnylicious:
i think its safe to say? that SMS / MMS have been fixed now on the hero rom.

so people can stop complaining and arguing lol
[G1 Android Development] abteer:
I'm still not getting 100% of my Sms but I seem to be in the minority.
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
Glad to see some are having success with Small on 2.3.5. I tried that Ron earlier and was still receiving very few of the messages sent to me. Hopefully with the next rom it will work out for me.

For those that are having success with 2.3.5, pay attention to it and report back if you find out about any texts. I'm worried that since it doesnt work for me that the problem could still be there but hasn't shown up yet
[G1 Android Development] sacredsoul:
Until there everyone is getting every single message, I wont be using Hero. I live in Singapore. Down here, we text more then we call. And not replying to a text may be viewed as a sin.
[G1 Android Development] lemaj5:
I found a solution for the messaging problem, well aleast on JAChero 2.3.1, I haven't upgraded since it's been working right for me. I noticed that if i'm on a call the H would go step for step down until there was no more data connectivity, you can try it yourselves, so I tried to use bettercut/anycut to get the to the testing menu but to no avail. but found that Bar Control gets you to this menu also, once you get the testing menu choose phone then scroll down & choose the 3G only option. I have not missed a message since & the data doesn't shut down while i'm in a call. Hope this helps you all also!!!
[G1 Android Development] leoni1980:
I think you're jumping the gun a little bit there....I've just tested the new JAChero and YET AGAIN I am missing SMS.............so I think we can safely say

THIS

ISSUE

IS

NOT

FIXED
[G1 Android Development] NexVision:
Agreed ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[G1 Android Development] bmfc187:
i dont think anyone gets that the H is just part of the theme...its an icon in the framework-res folder that was put in place of the 3g icon, it has nothing to do with what network you're on, cuz the phone doesn't even know its an H, and it doesnt care, its just displaying the icon its told to display, and you can rename the icons to say E where it should say G and G where it should say 3g, it doesnt matter cuz its just an image file, i can replace it with one that says "FU", would you really think you were running on the "FU" network? Even though it SAYS H on it, its not telling you its running HSDPA, it THINKS its telling you you're on 3G, but the 3G icon has been replaced by the H one...when it says H youre on 3G, thats all there is to it...

-BMFC
[G1 Android Development] rabeatz:
like the person above me said, it's just an icon. Your phone isn't connecting to an HSDPA network because it does not have a HSDPA radio, it has a 3G radio. And for some reason, I don't quite see how limiting your phone to EDGE speeds is going to make your messages come.. It's been confirmed on this forum that it is an issue with memory, not connectivity.

Also - to the person who said that the US does not have HSDPA.. http://www.wireless.att.com/3g/

"The AT&T 3G network uses HSDPA/UMTS technology"
[G1 Android Development] djvw:
Please don't get me wrong, but I'd like to set an end to that BS talking about the G1 not having an HSDPA Radio.

It definetly DOES HAVE HSDPA with 7,2 Mbps AND HSUPA with up to 2,0 Mbps. That's not only what Qualcom says, but T-Mobile Germany as well. If you don't believe me, check this site:

http://www.t-mobile.de/g1/technische-details

Also, HSDPA = 3,5G and not anything else like 4G. It's not out yet, which technology will be used as 4G. Some providers call WiMax 4G, but actually that's not official. It looks like the technology for 4G will be LTE.
[G1 Android Development] SFXLEWIS:
UK fix?

Hey I live in the UK so the APN settings being posted don't apply to me as far as I'm aware but I was looking through that area of my phone I found a new option with the Hero ROM.

Under the network settings and the access Point Names there are now 2 there. One says T-mobile Internet and the Other is T-mobile UK. By default I was set to T-mobile Internet which when you go into it doesn't have alot of things set where as the UK one does, I switched them over then got 2 messages instantly then had 4 convos on the go with no missed texts. I'm not saying this is the fix for us but it appears to work for me. Try it?
[G1 Android Development] rabeatz:
Yeah I meant to update my post, I hit "Post" before thinking - I did read the G1 specs after posting. I was under the impression that we didn't have HSDPA because we can't use ATT 3G, which is HSDPA. But I stand corrected
[G1 Android Development] jj972:
Has anyone tested superhero 3 yet?? Ima try it for myself during lunch break
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
Radio and apn aside, I tested 2.3.6 last night and yet again missed 50%+ of the messages sent to me. I finally took the time to adb logcat my phone while actually sending messages to myself and here were the results.

EVERY message got through to the phone. I could see in the log where the sms was received and passed onto the com.android.mms process. It was almost instant from the time the message was sent, as expected.

From there I could actually watch as the com.android.mms process died, along with a "no memory" message. It is absolutely a memory problem, simple as that.

I am now looking into possible kernel mods that would prevent certain processed from being killed off. It will take a little time though seeing as most people stopped worrying about memory issues with linux a decade ago. It will also be a tricky mod, if too many processes are permanent you could rum out of memory and the system wouldn't be able to free any up.

Time for the 3G/HSDPA and APN fixes to stop, they may seem to help for a bit but ultimately its a lack of memory that is doing it.

Also, I noticed the weather process and com.htc.location (or something like that) all over the log. Moral of that, the widgets definitely take a lot of memory and processing power
[G1 Android Development] jj972:
I'm crossing my fingers
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
On a side note superhero v3 is out. Its worth a test to see hoe mms/sms works. It sounds like they took v2 and combined it with the "official" hero rom that jac is also using. This could fix the sms issue since they are more or less picking out pieces of the official rom and adding them to the already working v2 rom
[G1 Android Development] NexVision:
Running v3 now and its quick and feels much more stable then Jac's not sure about msging cause I havent had a chance to test under load yet i got 5 of 5 I sent last night as I was falling asleep and gotten 4 msg's this morning.
[G1 Android Development] jj972:
Im on superhero 3 and so far im getting 100% sms/mms...........:D........ we'll see how it goes
[G1 Android Development] h.nocturna:
I don't know if this helps, but I've flashed basically every Hero ROM or at least a flavor of it and I don't think I've missed any sms messages (I am using AT&T so that might have something to do with it).

For those of you with problems maybe you can set the priority higher by doing:

su

renice -20 -u com.android.mms

reboot

This might prevent the process from closing and allowing it to receive the messages... Just a thought...

EDIT: Also, those of you that are losing messages, are you using swapper as that might help with the memory problem?
[G1 Android Development] sullitf:
From the testing I've done renice doesn't help (I was the first to being up the renice idea). It seems like DalvikVM may actually ignore niceness all together. Dalvik has a specific process for memory management and they may have removed niceness in lue of their own design.

Theoretically a niceness rating of -20 would prevent the process from being killed before pretty much everything else, but this isn't the case. Even with renice-ing every process that seemed even remotely connected to sms I would still see them die in logcat.

I am now looking into possible kernel or activitymanager mods that would specify certain processes that can not die.
[G1 Android Development] bobbybooshay:
has anyone played with jacdrizzy's 2.4 hero? mms/sms misses?
[G1 Android Development] Jason Syn:
Superhero V3 and JACDRIZZY 2.4 both had SMS loss for me. Looks like no fix has been found yet...
[G1 Android Development] paindoo:
Reason you are getting all SMS because in V3 the weather did not work , there your answer disable/remove weather widget and everybody's worries would be gone regarding sms.
[G1 Android Development] jj972:
Well...........superhero 3 finally f***ed up.....missed a text or too so idk....dammmm lol
[G1 Android Development] BigWorldJust:
I'm getting my texts pretty fast so far in JacHero 2.63.
[G1 Android Development] r_dub:
Yeah thats because on 2.63 they have replaced the Hero mms.receiver with the one from JAC Hero 1.7 so you dont miss any sms now on Drizzy JAC's Hero
[G1 Android Development] jj972:
r u sure??? is this confirmed??
[G1 Android Development] weezerisock:
I would like to know if this is confirmed as well...

Just went thru the changelog for 2.6.3 and did not see a mention of this.
[G1 Android Development] kingskidd268:
yeah 2.63 got the goods...
[G1 Android Development] seanhassars:
now if somebody could just figure out a way to make it stop compressing the mms so much
[G1 Android Development] dbhatesyou:
actually i dont think it matters about that; i found something internally thats surpressing most of the data sent/recieved. jac's looking into it, he's been playing with it for a few days. so just keep a heads up.
[G1 Android Development] smurphete:
So is it fixed or not?

kingskidd268 seems to say it has, but then dbhatesyou saying that it's still work in progress.
[G1 Android Development] dbhatesyou:
its "fixed" but not. theres some hard coded files with this issue i caught. jac thinks he has a full fix for this. so .. just keep an eye out for his next build.
[G1 Android Development] weezerisock:
Thank you, thats exactly what I wanted to hear. I'll keep an eye out for the next build :D
[G1 Android Development] jj972:
So I guess it wasn't fixed in the new update?
[G1 Android Development] NexVision:
Nope it hasnt been.

and according to drake

Which means they plan on continuing to make pointlesss changes claiming it faster and look at whats coming but they continue to overlook real problems. Oh well hero roms are annoying anyway.
[G1 Android Development] weezerisock:
I'm guessing not either, I saw nothing in the change log pertaining to SMS :(
[G1 Android Development] r_dub:
Sms is fixed on JAC's builds this was fixed when he pulled the messaging app from his 1.72 build there has not been REPORTED problems since if you follow the exact instructions for flashing his Hero ROM's
[G1 Android Development] NexVision:
Im reporting a problem as I have been.
[G1 Android Development] blackgin:
This is becoming to get boring.. I want to use hero.. WE want to use hero and we can't for a stupid sms problem.. It is something unacceptable that an ADVANCED PHONE does not do what a common YearsaAndYearsOld-PHONE does.
[G1 Android Development] weezerisock:
Aaaaaaaaand I'll wait to download hero again. :(
[G1 Android Development] imurpops984:
thought

possible work around for those who really want hero, would u all suppose this would work? http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.android.jamesgrafton.smstogmail
[G1 Android Development] justanothercrowd:
Okay...I have hacked the RIL on 2.7 and on and since I havent had 1 report of SMS failures.

I spent about 3 days sending and receiving literally hundreds of texts and the only one a actusally missed was from some free online txt website...most of which was done while tethering and browsing.

DB and CC also sent me text bombs and I received every single one. Now I haven't reported this 100% fixed because i don't think it's been long enough to see if the hack works for everyone on all carriers but so far...I haven't seen one Email/PM SMS complaint. And Haven't got yelled at by my girl for ignoring her.

If you are having issues please change to 2.7 or higher
[G1 Android Development] weezerisock:
Alright I'll try it tonite! Thanks!
[G1 Android Development] NexVision:
Tried 2.7.3 got 7 out of 10 msgs but the dam thing was so sluggish and ridiculously slow I uninstalled before I gave enough time for all the messages to come in so who knows but dam those things are horribly slow y would anyone want to use em.
[G1 Android Development] archboy69:
Hi,

I tried the settings above:

Name: T-Mobile US

APN: epc.tmobile.com

Proxy: <not set>

Port: <not set>

Username: None

Password: None

Server: *

MMSC: http:/mms.msg.eng.t-mobile.com/mms/wapenc

MMS Proxy

MMS Port:

MMS Protocol: WAP 2.0

MCC: 310

MNC:260

APN: <not set>

and setting on 2g

But what is the '*' in the server mean? It still doesn't seem to work for me. I have the unlimited plan which include all. thanks for the help.
[G1 Android Development] NexVision:
Seriously guys all the Hero roms are fail u have 2 choices be able to use your phone or use a hero rom take your pic.
[G1 Android Development] archboy69:
Hi!

I tried all the settings but what is does this setting mean?

Server: *

Does that mean it is an astrisk there? thanks so much!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] pikkuhukka:
Yes i admit, im a bit klutz with that thing for now, its a new and shiny toy for me. So, im wondering, is there any program / reg edit way to stop sending an empty sms message, since i have done it several times now and its starting to make my friend abit pissed :)

So, anyway to make the text messaging program to prompt from sending empty sms message or.. anything :o ? And no, i am not willing to do any action which is revolving around installing a new rom, i will stick to normal htc rom and radio, already made one normal tytn a brick ^^

EDIT: oh, the kaiser i have is a tytn ii
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] andybbtt11:
Hello,

please forgive my noobness, but I was kind of unaware of what to seach for this, so I will just ask.

I am interesting in making a theme for M2D which means changing the background, icons and colors.

Could someone PLEASE send me in the right direction on how to learn how to do this?

Thanks a lot.

ab
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Go here and follow the links to " modding themes ". it has all the info you need

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=425974
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] djevaHD:
Hi,

I have since one week a Blackstone from Drei (www.drei.at):

ROM 1.56.407.2 (43972) ger

Datum 04/03/09

CE OS 5.2.20769 build 20769.1.4.5

Change the language i think is not possible without to install English-ROM.

If i try to download ROM-upgrade from htc/support (http://www.htc.com/europe/SupportDownload) with my Serial Number i get always the german-version.

Theoretic if i have the Serial Number from "English" Device probable i can change the language from german to english.

It is correct?

If yes, how can i get this english Serial Number? Perhaps exchange with someone from this Forum? ;)

regards

Thomas
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
don't think about some serialnumbers to get from here. just open your eyes, choose a rom of your choice and here we go. you'll find also the latest HTC roms here somewhere around or linked. ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Matthes42:
Even if you downloaded the WWE-ROM here you cannot flash it becuase your Device is CID-locked. You habe to unlock it first. Even for this you could have found the Info in this forum.

Good luck!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] djevaHD:
Hi,

My Device is't locked. I did this over sim-unlocker.com.

From other side i'm not professional or guru. I thought as much that serialnumber should be no problem (i will give my serialnumber without problems).

Anyway " just open your eyes, choose a rom of your choice and here we go."

Its easy to say...

regards

Thomas