yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] asci:
Fatal1ty made me think about the fact that the two versions of HTC Magic sold in Italy come with a different RAM amount:

adb shell cat /proc/meminfo gives these results:

Vodafone: about 98436 KB

TIM: about 192000KB

HOW COULD IT BE???

If it'll be confirmed, would it be legal to sell the same device with different characteristics without informing consumers?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] kingchris:
if u look at the htc site u will see the original htc magic is listet with 288 mb ram

and the htc brandet witz 192mb ram

so why should this be not legale
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] asci:
Well because to the most of people (consumers) is not asked to be PPC expert and informations should be done clearly, without doubts. So when I go to buy my Magic to Vodafone shop rather than to HTC or TIM shop I should know exactly what I am buying and what are the technical differences...and I also dare to exepct a different price. People generally know that HTC Magic is ONE and it is sold with two different brand (TIM - Vodafone), or no brand, and not that they are different devices technically speaking. Don't you think that if I should know it in advance I would buy the one with more ram at the same price???

:mad:

EDIT:

and YES, I have checked it and it reports a different RAM amount between HTC and Vodafone...BUT once again, don't you think that this specific has been a little hidden in commercial comunication???
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] theillustratedlife:
I've been wondering how to find the ram of an Android phone. I just opened /proc/meminfo and found this on my Google Ion:

So it looks like my Ion has 192MB RAM (96MB for the OS, and the rest is shared with hardware). That's lame, especially for a second-generation, developer-targeted phone.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] asci:
This is my Vodafone ITA with ION ROM.

Fatal1ty points out that:

- If the the first value is around 100MB it means it has 192 MB (baseband included)

- If the the first value is around 190 MB it means it has 288 MB (baseband included)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] QTeknology:
MemTotal: 98356 kB

MemFree: 4164 kB

Buffers: 36 kB

Cached: 23480 kB

SwapCached: 0 kB

Active: 38528 kB

Inactive: 43712 kB

Active(anon): 27148 kB

Inactive(anon): 32828 kB

Active(file): 11380 kB

Inactive(file): 10884 kB

Unevictable: 964 kB

Mlocked: 0 kB

SwapTotal: 0 kB

SwapFree: 0 kB

Dirty: 0 kB

Writeback: 0 kB

AnonPages: 59712 kB

Mapped: 13048 kB

Slab: 3684 kB

SReclaimable: 844 kB

SUnreclaim: 2840 kB

PageTables: 4020 kB

NFS_Unstable: 0 kB

Bounce: 0 kB

WritebackTmp: 0 kB

CommitLimit: 49176 kB

Committed_AS: 1059424 kB

VmallocTotal: 155648 kB

VmallocUsed: 65260 kB

VmallocChunk: 33788 kB

Italian Magic Vodafone with Noverca Rom
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] my-demise:
cat /proc/meminfo gives me the following results:

Australian Magic Vodafone with SuperHeroV2 port by Fatal1ty2787 & NK02

I feel so duped, especially considering I am now, somewhat 'stuck' with this phone for the next two years. The reduced memory size on the Vodafone HTC Magic must be what is causing such huge slow downs whilst running the SuperheroV2 ROM...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] xd4d3v:
Same here.

But i dont think it should cause slowdowns?

If we're sure it does, i might go back to vodafone and claim false advertising. :-/
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] xd4d3v:
Ooops. I think, we're buggered.

HTC webpage has 2 magics one for vodafone one not.

clearly states in the specs of the VF has 192MB and on the regular 288MB
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] alpinux:
I bought my device from Vodafone Germany with Sapphire Rogers Rom:

MemTotal: 98356 kB

MemFree: 1904 kB

Buffers: 1940 kB

Cached: 18832 kB

SwapCached: 0 kB

Active: 39144 kB

Inactive: 43948 kB

Active(anon): 31844 kB

Inactive(anon): 31940 kB

Active(file): 7300 kB

Inactive(file): 12008 kB

Unevictable: 964 kB

Mlocked: 0 kB

SwapTotal: 0 kB

SwapFree: 0 kB

Dirty: 0 kB

Writeback: 0 kB

AnonPages: 63308 kB

Mapped: 13612 kB

Slab: 4340 kB

SReclaimable: 1052 kB

SUnreclaim: 3288 kB

PageTables: 4492 kB

NFS_Unstable: 0 kB

Bounce: 0 kB

WritebackTmp: 0 kB

CommitLimit: 49176 kB

Committed_AS: 1235236 kB

VmallocTotal: 155648 kB

VmallocUsed: 67316 kB

VmallocChunk: 19452 kB
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] diggyz:
Qualcomm® MSM7200A™ in HTC magic

Qualcomm® MSM7201a™ in the HTC magic from vodaphone

is there some difference?

looks like its manufacturing process. MSM7201A is 65nm chipset while the MSM7200A is manufactured on the 90nm process.

can anyone confirm?

So htc magic from vodaphone should drain less battery right? =)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] my-demise:
You're correct in that it (Vodafone HTC Magic w/ Qualcomm® MSM7201a) will draw less power. In fact I was just about to post those finding now.

I guess in the future it'll be best to read the fine print haha!!

OT:

I suppose the lack of RAM isn't a HUGE deal as thankfully we can move all apps and dalvik-cache to the SDcard to free up what little RAM we already have. In fact I have seen great performance gains by moving all apps, cache and Rosie to my SD card.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] sherifone:
192 and 288mb of RAM has nothing to do with the 512mb ROM.

moving apps and caches to your SD card isn't going to free RAM... it will free ROM space, which the Magic has plenty of (unlike the G1).

RAM is for apps that are currently running, and if you open too many it just saves their state and shuts them down until you switch back.

ROM is where everything is stored or "saved". So when you install an app its on your ROM, and when you launch the app it is STILL on your ROM, but is loaded into your RAM while running. I hope that helps the less savvy peeps.

That said, it is unfortunate that we have the 192mb models, as it will have to shut down apps and relaunch them more often... Down the road it might be limiting if we are porting ROMs from the Hero and the fancy interface needs more RAM than we have and things get sluggish. I will likely pickup a Hero as soon as one is available with US 3G bands.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] my-demise:
Oh of course! Thanks for clearing that up. Everyone can disregard my previous post - well, except the part about the better power consumption of MSM7201a > MSM7200A ;)
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] mizunox:
I don't know how to copy/ paste from the terminal emulator, but my HTC Magic with Rogers in Canada has:

Memtotal: 197144

Memfree: 5416

Active: 157248

I guess I should be happy... but at least you guys can root your phones!
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] TiMBuS:
Agggh. I created an account just to vent about this after reading this thread.

I cant believe I got so shafted by vodafone. I thought I was getting a phone with roughly the same performance specs as the hero, but instead I've got a dream without a keyboard!

This sucks.

Do you think its possible to upgrade the ram in the phone? Seriously.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Happy_Kot:
The MSM7200a is the 65nm version of the MSM7200 (90nm)

I couldn't find link from manufacturer to proof this, may be someone could.

So there is no difference in power consumption!

But i'm hear, that MSM7201A lacks ability to records vga with 30 fps due qualcomm patent problems.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mi|enko:
Maybe it's part of the whole "with Google" initiative and not just Vodaphone. T-Mobile's going to have a "with Google" version, and it's only got 192 megs of ram. :-\ Well, guess this is a non-buyer for me.

http://www.engadget.com/photos/t-mobile-mytouch-3g-user-guide/2102338/

Here are the difference between the HTC and Vodaphone(T-Mobile?):

HTC Magic

Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz

ROM: 512 MB

RAM: 288 MB

Vodaphone

Qualcomm® MSM7201a™, 528 MHz

ROM: 512 MB

RAM: 192 MB

(According to the leaked manual, the MyTouch still has the Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, which tells me that there's actually 3 versions of the phone? If that's correct, then the specs for the T-Mobile version are as follows:

Qualcomm® MSM7200a™, 528 MHz

ROM: 512 MB

RAM: 192 MB

For reference, here's the HTC Dream (G1) and Hero Specs:

HTC Dream or T-Mobile G1

Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz

ROM: 256 MB

RAM: 192 MB

HTC Hero

Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz

ROM: 512 MB

RAM: 288 MB

Ps. Shouldn't this be in the regular section and out of the Dev area?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] bufodill:
hmm, so I guess this is why the phone gets sluggish while using the media player, and actually closing down the download of the podcast app if switching to other apps.

I'm sure there is some way to make sdcard work as virtual ram? class 6?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Mi|enko:
If it's rooted, you could use swapper. It's an app that allows for a swapfile.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Jonny171:
When I recieve a incoming call or text message my phone does not recognize the number as the name stored in my "contacts.

For example if I have Bob's cell number stored under "Bob as his cell phone as "555-555-5555," when the call comes in it is displayed as simply, (555)555-5555.

I have tried adding a 1 to the number stored in the phonebook and this gets that same result.

However, I can go into the call log and then choose "save number to contact" and select the number and overwrite the number and once I do that the name is displayed as "Bob" in the call log. But when they call again, I get no name displayed and it was like I never added his number to the name.

I am running the new ATT ROM downloaded from HTC's website "Build date 5-06-2009."

This was not happening before I flashed the new ROM.

Called ATT...no idea...refered me to HTC...called HTC...had no idea...said to reflash.

Don't want to have to reload all my crap if possible.

I have even tried restoring my contacts again from Sprite....no change.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] khals:
Wrong "Regional Settings"?

Try changing your "Regional Settings" in system settings. I had mine set to "English (United States)", which wrongly displayed my incoming calls. Setting this to "English (United Kingdom)" solved my problem.

Hope this helps ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] BarateaU:
I had the same problem. But what I do is that when ever someone calls me i choose same number to existing contact and you pick the right contact and then you press save and it will ask you if you would like to update the number and just choose "yes" and now when they call it should say the name. I dont know why but it keept doing this after i reflashed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rassah:
I'm still using the OLD TyTN, which is a pre-GPS HTC device, so I don't know how well HTC integrates their built-in GPS into their own apps. Does Rhodium camera software include a geotagging for photos option, or does it require a separate hack/software?

(p.s. did a forum search for this, and got no hits, sorry if I missed it)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] evojulz:
Not very surprisingly, it doesn't support geotagging out of the box.

You need to install the hack from here. Works great now ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] amarfa2:
htc touch pro 2 , camera geotagging

It s support to use gps in camera for geotagging , you can search youtube to find out how to change your registry to use it .
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vdKarel:
I have it enabled but I can't seem to get it working ... I keeps on trying to connect to GPS.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mian23:
Thanks for putting the link here! You're a star!:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ivwonka:
Dude, everybody should know this hack. I vote sticky!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] reschu:
When I soft reset or turn the power off then s2u2 stops working. I am running the newest version of dutty rom atm, and the only extra application I installed is s2u2.

Hope anyone can help me here, because it is kinda annoying.

Thanks in regards
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] vikeor:
did u run the iLock application?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] kamil_pi:
I had the same issue. There is some problem with iLock - it wont start. It happens from time to time... sometimes one SR helps, sometimes a few... Nevertheless I stopped using S2U2 for now...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] triniboi:
hi check this thread i think you would find a fix for your problem!if you don't i would send you the files to over the existing exe files...cheers

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=527523
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] reschu:
thanks gonna read that thread :)

If I install s2u2 it also installs the I lock thingy. I think that is the one that gives the problem.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Dude10:
I installed the newest version too, and in my opinion there is not only the problem with locking.

There is also an issue with consumtion from the Battery!?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] reschu:
So you suggest to use an older version?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] redman8x8:
Alternative to S2U2?!

Hi Guys!,

Sorry if go a little off topic, but having the same issues with S2U2, i started to look for another locking app...and i found "CSDEVCTRL" an extremely small, yet very very versatile locking application.

And the BEST THING!.....

Battery life: 3 Days and Nights!!!!, on my Blackstone HD (Dutty 3.9 XT Turbo ROM)

I highly recomend checking this out:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=386451
[General Questions and Answers] harryc88:
is it possible to downgrade touchflo from 3.0 to 2.0?
[G1 General] davil124:
Hi, i am currently running windows vista ultimate with service pack 2 and i can't find the driver in order to work with this OS at all. I would like to know if someone knows a solution for this issue. thank you :confused:
[G1 General] GenericNode:
The driver included with the SDK doesn't work?

I'm assuming you want the driver for adb and not the mass storage driver (which is already part of windows).
[G1 General] n1ghtl1fe:
so i was flashing from dudes 1.1 to cyans 3.4.6 (been out of the game for a lil while) and i figured itd be best to wipe sd and g1. I reformatted to fat32 then made ext2 partition with paragon partition manager. After that the pc needed to restart and it all went smooth until it booted up again.

the pc wont read my sd anymore now (im using a standard SD adapter), windows will show its plugged in and reccomend me to reformat it to fat32 but then it always says formatting failed.

I tried using partiton again and all it does is read it as 7.6 gb ext2 drive, it wont let me format/reformat/delete partition/ create partition. it says something like No unallocated space.

Basically...Is my card fried? = /
[G1 General] tissle:
I doubt its fried.

If it's fried, then windows will not even detect it.

Unfortunately, I do not know the fix.
[G1 General] uansari1:
Sounds like Vista is having problems reading the card... know anyone with a Mac or Linux box?
[G1 General] KyleK29:
Not necessarily. I've seen this problem for bad SD cards.

Infact, mine appears to have died today too. It now says "blank SD card" and wants to be formatted. Damn.

Guess it's a trip to Fry's for me.
[G1 General] n1ghtl1fe:
i tried using my linux liveboot cd, it detects it but linux wont mount..

damn frys is soo far for me ..like 45 min
[G1 General] n1ghtl1fe:
so no body knos a fix huh?
[G1 General] haykuro:
if u don't need anything off the card, just format it.

from within windows just do a format.

or..

in linux, put the card in

df

find the one that matches ur card (/dev/sdb or /dev/sdc normally)

shred -f -n 0 -z -v /dev/sdc

this will completely wipe the card.

now type in

sudo gparted /dev/sdc

and recreate your partitions (i recommend a fat32 partition ;))
[G1 General] n1ghtl1fe:
=O a fix from the sensai himself. i will try it when im home thanks so much haykuro!
[G1 General] n1ghtl1fe:
tried in linux but command lead to a no such directory or file. and partition editor wouldnt show any other option but my actual hd. it says "cannot mount" when i insert it so it knows its there .. : /
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Ahper:
At me is Rom for Xda Argon (RUU_Panda_HTC_RUS_1.17.411.4_1.03.00_Ship.exe). But I cannot establish it on Argon / Shows an error. Reaches to 1 % and reboots.

On Argone it is established Rom 1.13.206.1.

I will help me please. How I can establish on Argon the version rom 1.17.411.4?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jaaacob:
Hey guys, possibly a biased place to be asking this but is it worth me buying this phone? I would get it on Orange for £25 a month when they get it back in stock

Unlimited texts, fair few minutes as well.

What are the APPS like for it? Do the pros outweigh the cons? Easy to type?

Sorry for the noob questions but I really need a new phone and this looks good.

I was originally thinking the LG Renoir but even with custom firmware it still sounds buggy.

Just wanna hear the opinions of people who have had the phone for a while and had to time to play about a bit

:D

Thanks

Jacob
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] karamat.hussain@blueyonde:
Shoud you buy it?

I had a SPV M700 for a while but it had limited internal ram (50mb useable) which restricted use of 3rd party software so i upgraded to a diamond.

I have been using it for a week and I am not impressed.

Its advertised as 198 / 256 ram depending on the version but actually only has 105mb usable ram.

There is a lot of lag when switching programs and you miss a lot of incoming calls due to lag in the slide to answer function.

It does not have a dedicated camera button. The camera is slow to take a pic as it has to autofocus before the shutter clicks.

My biggest gripe is the navigation pad. It is very low quality and awkward to manouvre that it is almost unusable. The M700 has a high quality precision pad which is a delight to use.

Battery life is particularly poor, lasting about a day and a half.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] D'rath:
If you flash it with good cooked ROM Diamon becomes a good device but if you want only Stock SW else it isn't impressive...

"...I would get it on Orange for £25 a month when they get it back in stock

Unlimited texts, fair few minutes as well how you pay now." the question is: How much do I pay now?

D'rath
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jaaacob:
Well I would flash it with a cooked ROM

Does anyone have a site or thread which explains all about having a phone with Windows Mobile because I have never used the software before and would like to gain a basic understanding of modding the phone.

But still, do the pros outweigh the cons?

If not what would you recomend in the same price range?

Thanks

Jacob
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] D'rath:
Read XDA forums ;)

WM is hard the first time: you must change a lot of things, registry hack etc... if you won't do that else buy iPhone or a basic cellphone.

D'rath
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] vishalkishnani:
Well this is one of the best phone to have...

Infact i had HTC TOUCH before...then i got Diamond...this piece of art is so cool and delicate that initially you bound to take utmost care while using it...but in couple of weeks u will fell in love with this device...according to me its one of the best device to own

dont think 2ice go for it
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] playagiron:
I'd second that. Having owned one for about 9 months I am still impressed by my HTC Diamond even (or particularly) when comparing to Iphones, Omnias, Palms etc.

Why? Mainly because it is VGA resolution, the SMALLEST Smartphone usable I found and cute.

Main thing is to get a good ROM ( I used the NAKED 2.03 one) and software of your choice and you are done. Costs around 100 Euros for me in terms of software but now it does EVERYTHING I need and want: Calendar Thumbcal, SBP Mobile Shell, G-Alarm, Lingvosoft Dictionaries, AudioTouch, Coreplayer, and Most Importantly: TouchPAL keyboard with Multi language support, plus some freeware tools). On Top TomTOm and you are done.

Battery life is around 3-4 days for me. But the UNIQUE SELLING PROPERTY is definitively the excellent small form factor and its beauty ;-)

Plus, now you should get it quite cheap (got mine for 180 Euros on ebay MINT).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] samy.3660:
Are you sure you get that much battery life.

Cause i had heard it doesnt last long, maximum a day.

Battery life is my major concern otherwise i am getting this phone.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] D'rath:
The best is HD :-P (big display makes diffence!!!)

2 days could be normal but if you call a lot, web, road Nav etc battery run away ;)

On my HD 2 day with normal use ;)

D'rath
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rpassmore:
In all honesty, I would say do not buy it.

Not because the phone is crap; I love my diamond, there are still parts I dislike but overall it's a keeper. My battery, with normal use, some gps, googlemapping, exchange direct push, 2 other mailboxes, 2 days on battery is certainly doable. The camera sucks though...fps is too low except in the best of lighting conditions. It is certainly NOT what the marketing shows it..

But, they are about to release the update (I thought they already did in europe?)

The new HTC google phones look nice, and will have all the functionality of this phone (including exchange).

The palm pre is nice also..a coworker just bought one..it doesn't have full exchange support yet (security policies). It really does seem like a nice phone..I wish I made more money I'd just buy all the cool phones and try them out. hah

Windows mobile is too outdated...they need to really get on the ball. HTC shouldn't have to create a layer on top to make it functional. And even then..the engine running behind the scenes is too slow, compared to the competition. I really think, unless you need an app that is only on windows mobile, get one of the other 3 phones (gphone, iphone, pre), or wait.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] samy.3660:
I dont care about the camera(coming from touch), so its still better for me.

Battery life is ma major concern, if it gets 2 days of normal usage than i am getting this phone.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] samy.3660:
OK its important question, please answer it.

How much time will the battery last if playing FM radio continously????

And is it worth buying used diamond for 200 USD??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] playagiron:
Hmm, don't use FM radio much, but a lot of MP3 which should be similar. Though continuously??? probably a cheap radio for 10 $ is more suitable??

Anyway, with about one hour MP3s per day mine lasts 3 or four days depending on WIFI and HPS usage mainly.

Moreover, you can get a 30 Euros Battery which just adds 3mm thickness but 50% more battery which I will buy for sure once mine dies.

Compared to the PRE, I or G Phone, obviously they are nice, just in my opinion TOO BIG since you cannot write a novel anyhow on the device so I prefer one which compoares to very small phones, easily sits in the shirt pocket and is lightweight. Other than that, obviously go for a newer version, you get bit more speed and screen size.

In the end, its all a matter of taste and yes, Windows Mobile is crap but with Mobile Shell and other software, i hardly see it on my device.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] karamat.hussain@blueyonde:
Should you buy it?

It all depends on the type of person you are

If you are a gadget geek and like experimenting with new software etc then this is an ideal phone because there is lot of support, free, hacked and commercial software available.

Also

If you use Office software at work and need outllook / excell etc. on the move then buy it. The GPS and wifi functions are brilliant on this phone. The GPS coupled with TOMTOM is mile better than Iphone and for a lot less dollars.

On the other hand if you want a 100% reliable and user friendly phone then go for dedicated phone as this is a jack of all trades and will occasionally let you down.

The best analogy one can give is playing games on a PC and a playstation / xbox. The PC will occasionally freeze and need restarting whereas the PS/xbox will run the games flawlessly everytime BUT that is all they will do.