yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Olipro:
it is possible that HTC ended their contract with Hynix for supplying memory and perhaps none exist.

however, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
that's correct, but it was easy to see who had hynix, as those failed to flash HardSPL :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] rosebud:
Are there any constraints that are resulting in a delay of the Rhodium HSPL/SSPL, i feel that if people understand the progress being made and any constraints causing a delay, people would back off slightly.

I understand and appreciate that peoples time is very precious, on the other hand, I feel that XDA-Dev's is about knowledge sharing, if more people understood the process for creating a hard spl / Soft SPL, less time would be required by the individuals involved, and if the progress made was anounced somewhere people would be able to keep track on developments :)

Cheers

Steve
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
hmmmmm, good point. :P

but yeah there is also real life.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
I don't know how to explain for non technical people, you need assembler and C/C++ knowledge and other things.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stepw:
You could still try them "non-technical" people as some of them might listen and hear...

Really, is it so much different from Topaz?

Congratulations with your post 2009 on this forum BTW! :) :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
There are plenty of explanations to get people started on here already. I found them. ;)

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stepw:
Let there be more!

Same thing, if OEMSBL initializes NAND and SPL relies on this initialization, then OS would have to rely on the same ctl reg value to be able to access NAND correctly. It just doesn't make sense that it's changing...

Except maybe (S)SPL is incorrectly reinitializing NAND ctl itself if it's not invoked by radio bootloader.

Anyway, hope you've figured this out and dealing with some other challenges now. Good luck!

It's worth a little waiting to get a solid and reliable solution. If this is not a good reason, then all complainers are free to figure it out themselves.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lukasmano:
Hi, when will we see HardSPL for HTC Touch PRO2?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skycamefalling:
On the 17th August at exactly 13:27h [CET] :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Wrong, it's in 2 days time. The 32nd July :D :D.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] lucid:
OK I'll try to explain a bit better... when the topaz (and rhodium) SPL boots, its nand driver code can of course handle either chip, but it relies on this nand config register having the right value on booting SPL (normally radio bootloader sets it up for SPL). this value is what changes on hynix units when or before loading SSPL, and I don't know why. - but I intend to find out :D

PS: the SPL binary itself is same for both types.

====================================

Could it be that HTC has now built in a "bit shifting" procedure to counter

SPL hacks ? Back in Commodore64 times, programmers often changed a value without it having real effect, except that us hackers kept trying beause we thought we found the right value. Wild goose chase with no results.

What would you do as HTC when all your SPL's get cracked in about the same way? Wouldn't you leave it apparently the same, so old ways won't work ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] SubData:
I don't think, that HTC want to stop all hacks for their phones, because many people won't buy HTC phones when they can't get modified.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] skycamefalling:
OH MY GOD...that's at short notice...backup, backup, I have to prepare my phone for this :eek:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
You need the 32 day a month patch for your calendar, which will be completed on the in 6 months, 29-13-2009. :D:D

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] niktheman:
lol, lol, :D:D:D:D:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Black Phoenix:
Problably Microsoft will released, the same way it released the DayLight Time Updater for WM6.0... So wait...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
no, SPL never reinitializes nand ctl, it assumes radio already initialized it and uses that value (well ok changes one bit later but not relevant for us). I previously determined that the value changes somewhere while running jumpspl code. (and yes, if you are just running OS in the normal way, it stays on the correct value.)

anyway now I have more ideas on when this is happening, but not 100% sure yet; don't want to post incorrect info.

as for a non technical explanation, where would I start...? :o how detailed should it be?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
wow, we have a real prophet here! :)

(but no, I don't think it will be that long. :) )
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] stepw:
It may be obvious to some, but others would appreciate a quick overiew.

Well worded one liner could answer lots of questions...

Assuming NAND ctl reset is the primary obstacle, it could be something like

"JumpSPL/SoftSPL is unstable and HardSPL can't be reliably flashed, working on a fix, no ETA". Olipro's style "Sod off" is another good option ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
I think "sod off" is a really seductive option for above mentioned one liner. ;)

seriously though, the wait won't be long now.

as for the quick overview, basically the issue is that HTC signs ROMs and the stock bootloader (SPL) checks if the ROMs are properly signed. a one byte change already changes the sign drastically and unpredictably and the key to re-do the signs is unobtainable. HardSPL is a way to use a patched SPL to avoid sign checks. the real trick is however about getting HardSPL on the phone, one way to do it is SSPL which needs more patches than HSPL itself.

I don't know if that helps though, I think all that's in the wiki too. :S
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Weed1:
Well i think that was a pretty good explanation, at least it made some sense to me, and im a complete newb to this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcspikesky:
Well i know jack **** about all the techie stuff you were talking about and that makes complete sense. We must trick the phone into not caring about what ROM is it running, cunning...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] qazzi76:
Hi CMONEX,

Thanks for this - it all becomes clearer now!

Also your hardwork is very much appreciated!

Cheers!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Schmurtz1968:
HI Guys !

Did you notice that with new official ROM update, SPL has change ?

Maybe some bug corrections...Who knows ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fab985:
Before was 0.79 now is 0.84
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] halnovek:
As everybody = Samsung. But my 1/2 cents is: do you maybe need a .net 3.5 developer resource?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
The wrapper is going to be written in Native C++, it removes the .Net depency problems. Also, .NET 3.5 isn't on all windows machines which makes it harder to deploy the app.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] halnovek:
That's why I said 1/2 (half) cent...

;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
thanks for the offer, but all the C# code was thrown out the window before ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
hmmm.. does anyone have a device that came with 0.84? please let me know =)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
I will need testers soon for the whole package (PC & WM app) but do not PM me yet please... I will let you all know in this thread when I need that
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fab985:
spl 0.84

after the update i've 0,84 spl :confused::confused:

do you want a dump?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hjubm2:
Just got mine the other day & it's got 0.84
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Schmurtz1968:
Signed 0.84 spl is included in the official upgrade from EU.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Designator:
If you need any german testers just let me know =)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] indra9110:
yes after update I hv 0.84

cheers

indra9110
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bogdan81:
but thing you want to make a will if don't have done anything? they didn't even know that spl was changed :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Iliuthenin:
sorry for asking but I guess everyone here is thinking the same - has the hardspl project moved any further? I'm new to windows mobile phones and seriously thinking about buying tp2 but need to know if we will, for 100% sure, get the hardspl working and possibility to run tweaked ROMs in this device anywhere near future?

Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate what you're doing and don't want to sound impatient but I need to know :) Let me know if I can be any help.

- ili
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Yes, the Hard SPL is on it's way... it is possible, it's just taking time. The people who do this, do it in thier spare time ;).

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] edl:
HardSpl shouldn´t be a showstoper for buyindg the device

Keep cool, if you look over xda, all devices are flashable, erlier or later, it will come.

Why shoudn´t it come out for TP2, keep intimitate to our TopDevs cmonex.:cool:

Before you ask this kind of question, donate a little bit of money, and be happy, that we have such Professionals here on XDA.

I would buy the device it´s great, and hardspl shouldn´t be a showstoper to buy this Device.

And for me the TP2 (unbranded) has the best performance of all htc devices i had, out of the box;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] aelsahn:
I'm tryin to get my hands on a device...hopefully won't be too long... and I would love to help out with the testing.

I am sure we all here really appreciate all your efforts, keep up the good work;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
rest assured, it'll be possible.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bogdan81:
before the official Rom will be released 6.5......donations, donations donations :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] hake101:
Thanks for taking your time to do all this for the community guys!

Be assured that a drink or two are on their way :-)

Opening myself to be a tester when required too. Had a Polaris as my first HTC device and loved the chance to use different roms and radio updates- made a massive difference not only to the battery life but the overall feel of the unit.

( I've got a 1.19.401.0 WWE Rom at the moment)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] dgourd:
I am planning on getting a TP2 and would help with testing. However, would there be a chance that it would permanently brick my phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] BoostedSR20:
I couldn't wait on ATT any longer, so I grabbed a used TP2 on ebay. Should have it by thursday, I'll of course test it.

I would also be willing to be a tester, because I'll probably hold onto my Fuze for awhile. I've been flashing ROMS from this forum since the days of my HTC Hermes 100...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
good goal about wm6.5! :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] julienhk:
9CW37733PF810760R

donation done....hope thats will help
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MakuSoto:
Not sure if you all using the pure GSM models for the internal storage but the Telus CDMA version uses the same samsung internal storage.

Is the HardSPL being made now also work on the CDMA versions or only GSM? Thank you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
There will need to be a seperate CDMA version of Hard SPL (unless something has changed since the previous GSM/CDMA HTC devices).

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] f1ip:
Just got the TmoUS TP2, its got a Samsung storage as well.

oh and its got SPL 0.82
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] NRGZ28:
Yep... Just got one too.. same here.. Samsung storage :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] WM-Sef:
Well well, if you need BIG letters:

Please: Stop posting if you have SAMSUNG memory! Only if you have HYNEX/OTHER MEMORY, post!!!

Daveshaw: I think it's a great idea to remove all samsung posts again. No news.

Olinex: Provide a release date, then the members aren't spamming anymore ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] crazy talk:
this is news. these are phones from a completely different market. it's good to know that they still have yet to use Hynix memory since the T-mobile Tp2's started production far later then the European ones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bogdan81:
TP2s don't exist with memory Hynex, this thing and an excuse to lengthen the times of the release of hspl
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tkalli:
Such comments are out of line.

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveTheTytnIIGuy:
Do you have any reliable proof? Do you know to modify an SPL, or figure out how to get it on the device? I'm pretty sure it takes awhile, even with our brightest people working on it. Regardless, if Olipro/Cmonex wanted more time to make HardSPL, they would simply say so, and that would be that.

Nobody ever said there was TP2's with Hynix memory for sure. Cmonex/Olipro didn't know if there were ones with Hynix memory (hence the whole check your memory thread), and wanted to know in order to possibly speed up development of HardSPL. During Topaz HSPL development, Hynix devices started appearing, and made development easier (don't ask me how, had to do with partitions and whatnot). They didn't even appear until later on in development.

Now I'm guessing there probably won't be Hynix devices since none have surfaced yet, but that doesn't mean it was a lie to buy some time. Besides, cmonex herself said that HardSPL should be coming soon.

So please, don't make accusations like that, especially against some of the most contributing and well respected members of the entire PDA/smartphone world, if you have absolutely no proof whatsoever. Comments like these make my blood boil.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] gehzumteufel:
Dave, couldn't agree more. Her and Olipro are the masters at SPL hacking.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] l3v5y:
Can we avoid a flame war if at all possible?

If cmonex/olipro want, I can clear out the redundant "I have a samsung"... posts.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] cmonex:
just one correction: it didn't make development easier - it just made it a pain in the ass as I had to correct the already released HSPL.

PS: according to plans, HSPL is released soon, whether a hynix device shows up or not
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] bogdan81:
ok boys, good job ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cyw00d:
Can't wait to HARD-SPL my phone and put on WM6.5 with custom software/fixes etc can't wait!!! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] At0mAng:
Can you release one faster?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] gehzumteufel:
Olinex, I am curious whether you two are going to have a similar function in this one as to the Hermes. Where you could hard reset with a key combo.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] shadixs:
What for? do you pay to olipro/cmonex?

In fact, it's up to them if they wanna release it or not since nobody pays to them to do it. Get a life dude!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] l3v5y:
That's something almost all devices have, and I'd expect it to be present on the Rhodium.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monx®:
@gehzumteufel

1. With the device turned off, press and hold the TALK/SEND, END and POWER buttons.

2. Release the TALK/SEND, END and POWER buttons.

3. [FONT=Myriad Pro,Myriad Pro][FONT=Myriad Pro,Myriad Pro]Press the VOLUME UP button to perform the hard reset.[/FONT][/FONT]

If i'm not mistaken, already in Wiki if it is too hard to read user manual :p

[FONT=Myriad Pro,Myriad Pro][FONT=Myriad Pro,Myriad Pro]

[/FONT][/FONT]
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] l3v5y:
Hehe... Sorry, didn't see that, and haven't looked at an instruction manual myself... :S
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fab985:
Hard reset

:D:D:D:D:D

it works only when device is turned of, with the softreset, don't work
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] sdlopez83:
If you owned a Touch Pro you did. I forgot how much I think 30 greenback.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] gehzumteufel:
Well hell, I somewhat skimmed through it but didn't notice that. lol Thanks though! I didn't know it was actually something HTC did! Thanks guys!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] samstables:
Yes, mine came with it - ie I haven't upgraded it. Standard UK Vodafone version. (Samsung memory)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] biscuits1978:
Do we know if the other soon-to-be-released TP2s in the US (Sprint, Verizon, AT&T) are going to have the Hynix brandname in them? Anyone know of people that have pre-release phones for these networks that could possibly check?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FU5 KONA:
Sorry guys Samsung here too!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] monx®:
Wow! Thank you very much for your info. Please let us know your ram size, processor type & your keyboard layout + battery capacity as well :o
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] edl:
Ha HA HA, and don´t forget the manufactorer, maybe HP or Asus, who knows.

:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] LinoX:
To collect all the informations at once connect your phone through activesync or device center, hit (and leave pressed) ALT-F4. If asked to shut down just reply yes (the phone needs to be put in shut-down mode if you have samsung chips) and wait for the info to be extracted :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MrMiyagi:
Hi guys,

Was happy to try this out but on downloading the QMAT zip file my corporate network scanner here refused to let me save it to my PC. It claims that there is a virus/trojan in there (classed as severe)

Virtool:win32/Obfuscator.AU

Any thoughts ... I also tried scanning with AVG which didn't report any issues so this might have to wait until I get home and try on my personal PC.

Cheers.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Looks like it.

You can use MTTY to issue an info 8 command to your device.

Instructions:

# Download mtty.exe from here: http://taeguk.co.uk/xda

# Disable activesync (connection settings -> uncheck "allow usb connections")

# Kill the following two processesto stop active sync; rapimgr.exe and wcescomm.exe (Ctrl+Shift+Esc, select from the list of processes).

# Connect your Kaiser to PC using USB cable.

# Open mtty, select USB port and click OK.

# Hit ENTER twice, you should see the "Cmd>" prompt.

# Type info 8 and press ENTER.

Ta

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] LuxLuthor:
hi everybody...i'm a new guy from France...i have the TP2 and i have samsung memory...i use the second method...very easy...hope i can help one day...

Have a nice day
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] FU5 KONA:
If there ianything else I can do to help PLEASE let me know! OLi ROX!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] MrMiyagi:
Thanks Dave, I'm familiar with mtty from days of fun with my Wizard :D

I'll try this tonight, if I find anything interesting I'll post, if I'm not heard from it it means I found the Samsung storage ;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile ROM Development] tobeychris:
Aha, that would be interesting.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] gysgtd:
I have the AT&T HTC 8525, went to Iraq and forgot my password. Can anyone help? People want to charge me $100 I can buy a new phone for that but I still need the info I stored on the phone.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] alkizmo:
The password feature would be useless if you could somehow go around it without clearing all the data on the phone.

So... AFAIK no, there's no way.

You can only save the info that is on your miniSD card
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] taz357:
Brother,

Hopefully you have a sim card and not a cdma phone because if you have used the sim manager you would at least have your contacts.:eek:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pinttas:
Is there a way to use the internal storage to increase the ram, like virtual ram? With this we could install more software without memory fail.

Thanks
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] rumpleforeskin:
not sure about using the storage as a RAM drive, but if you want to install more software you should choose to install it to the storage card when you are given the choice at installation time
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] pinttas:
Yes, I know. But the memory usage increase.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] aboutryan:
Same problem, I have installed apps on my internal mem but it still used the system memory.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] m4f1050:
An electronics shop that can upgrade the memory would be sweet! I own both Touch Pro and Touch Diamond and I love the Diamond's size and weight, but the Touch Pro lets me install away.... The same amount of memory on a Touch Diamond and the SD card option is where HTC failed. Heck, even the regular Touch had SD!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] docgelo:
check this out dude...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=551148
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] ArtieQ:
Just install a custom ROM and you'll get plenty of more RAM than on a stock ROM.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] adamwest:
that is true to a certain extend but....

wouldn't it be sweet if you could upgrade the ram hardware. how hard can it be?

(probably impossible)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] tendzin:
Add additional RAM

Hi,

I checked this thread which is 1 year an a half old. Is that still impossible to create a kind of partition in the internal storage that can be used as Additional RAM?

Isn't it what Android systems installed on HTC diamond already do?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] gotenhan:
Here is an explanation why pagefiles weren't implemented in WM5:

blogs @ msdn @ com/b/windowsmobile/archive/2006/03/31/566187 @ aspx

(change ' @ ' to dots - can't use links yet:])

Since for example Desire HD has 1.5gb of internal storage & 768 MB RAM, and (at least on PCs) it's common to set pagefile size to double the amount of RAM I think it won't be implemented in any version of windows mobile soon.

Android has modified version of standard linux kernel which has support for swap partition since almost always and that's why we can use it on Diamond.

And we use it because Diamond has less RAM than it's sufficient to smoothly run Android.

But I really don't think it is widely used in devices created to use Android as an OS.

Anyway, apps that use a lot of data(opera, google maps etc) use it's own cache file on disk, media players also reads data from files while playing so I really don't see necessity to have a swap file on WinMo unless you want to run like 15 apps at once.

And if you want your diamond to look like hd2, you have to live with the fact that it will work slower than the os and apps created for diamond.

Hope I answered your question