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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
hmmm interesting find...

there may be some truth to this, taking into consideration the fact that another member in another thread got some information that the TP2 would be coming out 6-8 weeks after the iPhone 3G S comes out.

however, if that rumor is true, and this article as well, then that means that it got pushed back a little.

no one can really tell you if it's 100% true or not, sorry. but it seems plausible.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xgm541:
The touch pro 2 should come out a week or two around the time of the tmobile release which is scheduled 12 august. So seems plausible.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
If that happens the question would be:

Wich one of the 2 (att&t or tmob) will have the less ugly version?:confused:

If is the one on the pic I think At&t will win...

p.s Did I read well??

WM 7 refresh awarded with sept 09 launching date???

Mmmmmm...... not sure about that...........
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] radio_flyer:
No way.......

Please say it ain't so that the pic of that Fortress is the actual/final product. If so then I think I'm gonna jump ship to Tmo because At&t just screwed up one of the biggest selling points for me. I loved the offsetted keyboard and the spaciousness of the layout, even though the color wasn't at all appealing, I'd still be able to stomach it as long as they didn't mess with the original layout too much. I really hope thats not the final product. BTW, I've been wondering, who came up with these names for Att? It feels like either they let kids do it or they just put a bunch of names in a hat and pic one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
from the rumors i've read WM7 requires capacitive screens. and more powa then the TP2 has on tap. Ala snapdragon or tegra.

i still get the funny notion WM7 has been ready for awhile now and is based off of Windows 7, and MS has just been waiting for the hardware to catch up.

i agree with you about the ugly contest. so far i think Sprint has the best looking version (besides stock)

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=4459

wonder if the back cover the sprint version will fit on other TP2's
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
The only part that doesn't smell right to me is that we still haven't seen the ATT version in the flesh, just the hackish and apparently outdated promo QWERTZ numpad version from who knows when. I get that ATT is full-tilt iPhone-obsessed, but if we were that close to release, I'd still think we'd have seen some real life pics from it the way we have for sprint, verizon and tmo.

I actually like the look of sprint better than the european unlocked version. That chrome just seems like unnecessary shiny for a business class device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
I´m agree

So, then then blog and info are false....

And yes Sprint is the less ugly....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Silverexp:
These pics have been out since late May from engadget. It would be usual for T-Mobile to launch their ver in late July and att launch theirs in August. Typically, there is a six-month gap for exclusivity on new products, but given today’s market$ who knows.

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...fortress-are-atandts-touch-diamond2-and-pro2/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
No one bought exclusivity for the TP2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Damager:
looks like Telstra Next G in Australia will be out before AT & T for an 850 UMTS/WCDMA Touch Pro 2. July 22nd is the date :-)

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2009/07/six-new-nextg-phones-unveiled/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] t-readyroc:
I just hope that old Fortress pic from Engadget's not the final product. Please, oh lawd.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mike21pr:
the warhawk looks way better than the fortress.... hell its way sexier than the gsm version as well
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
the spreadsheet was leaked will most likely NOT be the final product. ATT has a history of messing with their phones' hardware, but I don't think they'll make that mistake here.

and i've heard of an august 17 release date and an august 24th release date, so it seems like it really will be coming out a week or 2 after T-MO's
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
yea it would work but ATT runs mostly on 1900 and they are expanding their 850...its better to have both. i guess 850 is better than nothing right.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
ATT usually mess up on their Keyboard but we always learn to adapt and make good use of it...one thing though they keep the original exterior design ala tilt minus front camera and ala Fuze eith the diamond battery case and all...

i rather they have the same exterior design and ill adapt to the keyboard rather then they change it like Tmobile did (it looks cheap with the 4 buttons sticking out) and spring change their touch pro as well which i dont like...

just my opinion
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] iceman4357:
God i hope the fortress' keyboard isnt red. How gay is that. Its a business phone for gods sake.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
99% of the customers who purchase this phone will not use it as a business device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] B-Real206:
I won't use it as a business phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
true as it maybe, that isn't necessarily his point. He is merely stating that, this phone was designed, and being marketed for, business users, regardless if thats how it ends up being used or not.

I agree tho, the Red is ugly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alwayslearning:
i don't think it will be the 18th that is a Sunday, and they don' release phones on a Sunday, most of the time it is a Tuesday.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bigboy38:
Fortress is coming guys

GO to THE AT&T WEB SITE THE FUZE IS NO LONGER ON THE PDA LIST ,THEREFORE GET READY FOR THE LONG WAIT TOO BE OVER CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
As was noted several times in this thread already (LOUD NOISES! :rolleyes:)

I think now I'm just getting jaded waiting for this thing to come out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
Well in that case I'll keep my fingers cross, because oct 6 is Tuesday...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
getting closer

Tilt 2 and diamond 2 are in att site on the insurance side guess we are getting closer take a look

http://tiltmobility.com/tilt-2-and-pure-appear-on-atts-site/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
they release phone on sunday all the time the garmin phone is releasing this sunday
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] hg23:
The pure just got pictured. See the thread here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4653151#post4653151
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
Gah they release that on the 6th and not the Tilt 2! I need the Tilt 2!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sakshaug007:
Apparently it doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack so the Tilt 2 likely won't either

http://www.wmexperts.com/att-pure-doesnt-have-35mm-headphone-jack
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Epsilion:
Apparently AT&T finally official announced it but without an actual release date.

http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?pid=4800&cdvn=news&newsarticleid=27204

So yeah, I suppose it is going to be the 18th just by the "available in the following weeks" comment in the availability section.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
im happy too hope itttttttsss sssooooonnnneee http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/10/05/htc-pure-and-tilt-2-bring-windows-mobile-6-5-to-atandt/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nemets:
3.5mm?

Man, I really have a bad feeling about 3.5 mm jack on Tilt 2 ...

:(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] radio_flyer:
What, no back cover shots? I'm curious but also a little nervous to see how they designed the cover. It might just be me but based on that picture it looks like the back cover is glossy, which might bother some people.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
yea yeah. whens the leo coming out. Maybe before the ATT TP2 at this rate.

http://ai.rs/2009/10/htc-leo-announcement/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonnyp4l:
I would think that would only matter to people who don't care about having 3G (since the LEO isn't going to support U.S. bands). But then again, if you don't care about 3G, you probably already have the TP2 :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Epsilion:
Some how this site, http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9138831/AT_T_announces_first_Windows_Mobile_6.5_smartphones?taxonomyId=75&pageNumber=1, got some pictures of the model and it doesn't seem the phone will have the 3.5mm jack.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drpal181:
Finally another picture of this over rumored phone. Maybe we should start a pot on what day it will be actually released.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nemets:
F*CKERS!

So no 3.5 mm jack after all...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
Or keyboard for that matter. Great point. But at this point I'm so pissed that I am just waiting for a tp2 and not a leo with a keyboard. We deserve better and ATT is ****.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quid246:
The silver keys with black surround, reminds me of some old 80's TV computer.

Sinclair ZX-81.. that was the one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
TP2 & Pure official video

Take a look at this official ATT video !!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ0kIxJZvas&feature=player_embedded#
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quid246:
No 3.5mm jack... think this was an inside "Jobs" decision?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] wingmann:
Wait, wait and wait....

I'm just curious... would any of you who jumped the AT$T ship and went to T-Mobile waiting for this phone care to share their opinions on whether they are happy they did so, or not? Even though I waited this long -- and two weeks more may not be a big deal either -- I still am considering making the move myself. And while I KNOW its simply opinions and things are largely based on the service in one's own area, I'm still curious. Thanks to any who reply.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sakshaug007:
I don't really think so, I would say since AT&T, T-mobile, and the european version all didn't have the 3.5mm jack that its something to do with GSM carriers not wanting it or finding it unnecessary. Only the CDMA carriers (Telus, Sprint, Verizon) have included it. Just their way of differentiating I guess. I personally don't mind since I know AT&T will include the adapter in the box (as they did with the PURE).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
I was with ATT a month or so ago, and now I'm with TMo prepaid. I didn't really jump ship because of the phone, and I don't yet have a TP2. If I end up getting the TMo it will be because it's cheapest (if things do in fact stay that way) in non-retail contexts like ebay. If I end up going ATT, it'll probably because keyboard haters drove that price down enough to be comparable, and that will let me have 3G in case I ever switch to ATT prepaid (which has a nice prepaid data plan for light users). Either which way, I'll unlock and some freedom of movement.

I haven't completely ruled out the VZW version, since it's GSM side works easily with US carriers, and that gives me a little extra freedom of movement, and a 3.5mm jack. But since it's rarer and one of the nicest looking versions, I don't see it really dropping into my price range.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] deathraider1:
Hey I was in your position a few weeks ago, my kaiser was basically unusable so I bought an tmobile touch pro 2 off of ebay and then unlocked it, now using it on AT&T. Only down side is the lack of 3g because of the whole bands issue. Other than that I am glad to have got this one because the tilt 2's keyboard layout does not suit me at all, tmobile's is my personal preference.

So if you can bear to suffer the upfront cost and no 3g then do what I did. I didn't bother switching to tmobile because I still have a contract with AT&T for another year and the few people in my area who have it say it sucks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] deathraider1:
double post my bad, university wireless isn't what it used to be.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sentinel79:
ATT branches have them in hands RIGHT NOW!!!

Confirmed appearance of the TP2 in Oregon. Actual sell date is on October 8th for the device from ATT. It doesn't have a 3.5mm jack ... so I'm not sure if this is enough for me to move to Verizon or not. Also, 6.5 is for sure.

It seems like such a small price to pay to keep simplicity of the contracts (early termination fees were at some point acceptable due to my total hatred towards ATT).

Will post you all on my progress.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drpal181:
I was considering jumping ship to t-moble for awhile. Att seems to be taking a slogan form the iphone. Instead of "there an App for that" it is "there is a charge for that". I used to tether with the 8525 for no charge. I do not like paying double for a feature I already have. Unlimited should mean unlimited and not unlimited to a certain amount.

I was hopeing for 3.5 jack since I listen to a lot of music. The HTC assesories that are proved do not last that long and only Amazon carries the adapters. I have a better chance of encountering big foot that seeing 3.5 to usb adapters sold in a store. The 8125 had a 2.5 jack and mini usb but removed the jack in the 8525. I would why att keeps on adding this useless ptt button. Att must like the jack off on the tilt 2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] spirit32:
wow. i thought it will be oct. 18. att says it'll be available the following weeks?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sentinel79:
Let's just say it's solid info (don't want to get anyone in trouble).

I'm going tonight to check them out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
I just called 2 of the local AT&T stores around my neck of the woods and they don;t have any yet, and don't know a release date.

If your info is solid, it's good news indeed!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sphinx88:
Went to ATT store this morning... They got the Pure on Thursday night for the Monday Release. If they are going to have the Tilt 2 on the 8th, they should be getting them tonight or tomorrow..

I have to believe we aren't going to see it till the 18th...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] iceman4357:
Just got an email forwarded to me from my ATT business rep. October 8th it is!!!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
For business customers only or can residential customers get it on the 8th too?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] iceman4357:
The email says "all" channels, so I would assume retail as well.

"Hello Eric,

I figured that I would make your evening!! See below: I have put in Bold the information that will make you happy! Looks like we will be ordering in a couple of days.

Have a great evening!

Channels: Consumer Care, COR, Local Dealer, National Retail, DMDR, and Small Business

Roles: Representative and Above

Markets: All Markets

Contacts: Your Manager

AT&T will launch the HTC Tilt 2 to all channels of distribution on October 8, 2009.

The HTC Tilt 2 has a large, vivid, tilting touch screen that enables easy navigation via the Touch FLO™ 3D interface. The HTC Tilt 2 has an extra-large physical QWERTY keyboard, plus on-screen touch virtual keyboard that works in horizontal or vertical orientation. The HTC Tilt 2 provides a quality speakerphone experience with dual speakers, dual microphones and advanced noise cancellation with StraightTalk™ technology.

The HTC Tilt 2 from AT&T arranges conversations by people, not by the application that used. Users can now see a history of conversations, in whatever form it took place, directly from the contacts list. The HTC Tilt 2 comes loaded with AT&T applications, but users can also download more applications through AT&T’s Appcenter, or from the Windows MarketPlace Mobile store. The HTC Tilt 2 supports quad-band GSM, bi-band HSDPA/UMTS, Wi-Fi, and Bluetooth."
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Wow, thanks for posting that! It does look like the 8th will be the day! Sweet, FINALLY!

Can you ask your rep how much it will be no commit?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] iceman4357:
I will tomorrow, and post back. I think its $300 for 2 yr but I will double check.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sentinel79:
Okay guys, I went to the ATT store tonight and spoke to the guy with the intel and he confirmed it's the 8th but there weren't any in stock yet (he checked the stockroom) so it's either going to stock late tonight or sometime tuesday ... but they still won't sell em to you (you might get a salesperson nice enough to let you touch one though).

On a different note, I had an upgrade special (was available to me since Sept 16th). The phone goes for $199 with a $50 mail-in rebate.

But check this ... they haven't set up the system to accept the rebate so if you buy the Pure like now then they will just write it off on the spot (like they did for me). I guess the Pure is so new that the rebate system just didn't get updated.

And by now you noticed I'm talking about Pure. Well, I gave in due to particulars which kept me from using my Tilt as much as I wanted ... bulk ... size ... so I'm a Pure guy. I'm tellin' you this phone is slick as hell. ATT really did anice job with this ROM ... of course XDA folks and their mods are my next stop.

Good luck Yo! I'm a happy HTC customer at last!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imabored:
are you talking about the pure or the tilt 2 that is $199 with $50 rebate?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
he was talking about the PURE. The tilt 2 will most likely be $299.99 with $50 rebate or $349.99 after $50 rebate. -__- hope its 300 or less. What do you guys think of the chances that we could get our local ATT store clerks to match the verizom price? or at least drop it down to 250? idk, just wishful thinking. All I know is that come thursday, i'll be at my local dealer to pick up mine. (im gonna try to bargain with them to lower the price too. (: )
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] azwildcat98:
T-Mo vs AT&T 3G in NYC

I live in Manhattan, and have been running in parallel on both networks for several weeks. I have kept my AT&T account active and have been using my Fuze on it, and also picked up a TP2 from T-Mo to compare coverage and performance.

Let me start by saying that when I first got the T-Mo TP2, both of my phones displayed about 2 bars of service at my office, however the T-Mo 3G network seemed to download more consistently than AT&T's. If I tried to download the same file on each phone's web browser, I would notice the T-Mo phone steadily downloading, while the AT&T phone would start, crawl, and even stall before finally picking back up again. Since I've been doing my comparison however, AT&T has turned on some additional 850 MHz spectrum in NYC and since then, I've noticed my Fuze now gets 4 bars of service, while the T-Mo still only gets 2 bars. I'm not completely convinced that this translates to better 3G performance on AT&T however. The reason I say this is because I'm noticing that my Fuze keeps switching from 3G to Edge (and even sometimes GPRS!) way more often than it should. One possible explaination for this that I've heard is that a disproportionate number of people in NYC have iPhones, so AT&T's network is overly saturated with data consumers.

Sitting in my office right now, I have the AT&T Fuze (4 bars of coverage) side-by-side with the T-Mo TP2 (2 bars). I just fired up the Opera browser on both phones, and went to http://my3gspeed.com to test each networks 3G speed. Here are the results:

AT&T Fuze:

Test #1: 1.18 Mbps / 1176 Kbps

Test #2: 0.52 Mbps / 512 Kbps

T-Mobile TP2:

Test #1: 0.41 Mbps / 416 Kbps

Test #2: 0.44 Mbps / 440 Kbps

I'm actually in the tiny minority who prefer the look of T-Mobile's TP2 to the other versions, so I REALLY want to like T-Mo's coverage, but it's hard to decide which carrier to stay with. I think T-Mo should be rewarded for getting the TP2 out first, and for having great customer service. I can live with the slightly slower (but more consistent) 3G speeds for now, especially since they recently announced they will be upgrading to HSPA+ slightly ahead of the other carriers. A major point of concern for me however is that T-Mo's coverage has significant gaps outside of major cities. I was in Montauk, NY over the weekend, and T-Mo had absolutely no coverage, while AT&T had full coverage as well as 3G. So if you do want the best carrier for travel, you're still best off with AT&T.

Hope this helps!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
Just a lil sumTing 2 read

http://pocketnow.com/hardware-1/att-tilt-2-full-specs

so released oct 8 for some and the 18th for every one else

Update

http://www.wmexperts.com/att-docs-show-tilt-2-sale-tomorrow-stores-oct-18-plus-tons-specs

lunches oct8 tomorrow and in stores the 18th
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
Sucks so most stores if any will not have it I guess. Anyone have any luck yet!?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
I've got my corp rep on it as we speak. If I don't post an update, either I got it and I'm playing with it, or I'm not getting it and I got frustrated and went home to stain the deck. Stay tuned.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Hey man, I'm in Salt Lake too. If you have a contact out here that can come through with the Touch Pro 2, let me know!

Also, ask your rep about the whole data plan being automatically put on your account thing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
No luck at any stores in the NY metro/ Long Island area. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Official word (from AT&T rep):

I asked my rep about having one shipped, and got this (from my rep):

This is from the downtown SLC store (just south of the Grand America).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sbbass00:
In Dallas, TX area store Oct. 18

My local AT&T retail store says they will have Tilt 2 in stock Oct. 18.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] WatermelonSlim:
Man I talked to them yesterday and they said they had no idea when they would be getting it. What a difference a day makes...

Any word on the forced/automatic data plan? Is it the system that automatically puts it on when it detects the phone, or is it the rep who puts it on when he sells you the phone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bennyj71:
No Clue...

I'm a premier member and the Tilt 2 isn't on my site. Called the business line and every corporate store in New Orleans area. No one had any idea when it is getting released. I hope you guys are right because here it doesn't look like it'll be tomorrow. Even Best Buy didn't know, which a rep there was the first person(in person) to confirm for me that ATT was releasing the Touch Pro. Also, none of the stores had any Fuzes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Couldn't say. We're on a corp plan, all our phones have unlimited data and tethering.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
take a look
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
Are you saying you've got yours?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
hahahahhahahahha i can only wish not yet cant update till mid month