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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
Since its so close to Aug 24th and there is zero word on a release date except from the person who claims he took the pic of the AT&T branded TP2 (claiming around December), I highly doubt the launch will be Aug 24th or anywhere close to it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
i agree with you both. I also feel as if this phone is worth skipping since I have the TP and would only be trading for a bigger screen. The guts are symmetric to that of the TP. Im on the fence about buying this phone myself. I probably will get it because I want something new. But nonetheless, It is nothing special. HTC LEO looks sick though with capacitive screen. Now all they need is the TEgra
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] javahead76:
@ jtoyz2: The TMo version may not be as sexy as the unlocked; but, if you just push that little button that turns the screen on, you sure to hear a few "wows". I think it would be hard to make that TP2 look bad.

@AT&T...wishing "full qwerty" meant "full qwerty" and "unlimited internet" meant "unlimited internet" (haven't gotten hit yet but it's like a black cloud hanging out over my account).

Am I mistaken, or did the Tilt 2 pic leak (with the employee name tag) come out just before the t-mobile TP2 release. If I'm right, at least someone out there in AT&T land is just a touch concerned about these phones. Correct me if I'm wrong...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
I don't have a Touch Pro, bought the Fuze but returned it after I realized it wasn't much of an upgrade over the Tilt except the higher resolution screen.

But I personally think the 3.6" touch screen is worth the upgrade along. Of course I'm in a unique position where I can upgrade once a year since I have 2 lines and just give my dad the old phone...

Yes the Tilt 2 pic did leak a week ago or so. With WM 6.5 on it too no less. A guy claiming to be the pic snapper said the owner said AT&T is planning a Christmas release. I just hope that the guy claiming he took the pic was just talking out of his ass.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aaronsmckee:
I've contacted 4 sources (store managers, sales reps, etc.) and 3 of them said, "should be in September but I don't know when exactly" I'm guessing Aug 24 aint't gonna happen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
You mean they actually acknowledge its existence??

I'm fine with September, I just don't want it pouring into November/December...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
That same guy also claimed the phone was running a modified version of Windows XP...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] alwayslearning:
titlt 2

just my opinion, ATT will wait for 6.5 to come out in Fall, but 6.5 won't come out until Microsoft comes is ready with their apps store. That way ATT comes out with something that TMO doesn't have
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
We don't know for sure that it was him. Anyone could have registered that name at Engadget after they read the post.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
i can only imagine the TMO Tp2's will get a official WM6.5 upgrade as soon as it is possible. cant imagine the Tilt2 coming out before that. even if it did the two events would be very close to eachother.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] javahead76:
Not to sound tooooo much like a jerk; but, no one ever said AT&T didn't have a few idiots running around the corporate office (cough, cough). Plus, I keep Norton's on my latex rubbers, so I might just believe him...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
The most recent AT&T TP2 thread was all the way on page 4. This is completely unacceptable. Where is the info on the Tilt 2?!

AT&T, if you're listening, please just give me something... ANYTHING!! This phone - or lack there of - is ruining my life!!! I need some solid intel! :mad:

Thank you in advance,

Hamburg
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I know how you feel friend. I get more and more frustrated by the day.

I'm starting to reach the end of my patience with my Tilt. it just isn't running the way it used to.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nicknhutho:
ALMOST HERE. AT&T Tilt 2 (Fortress, touch Pro2, Rhodium, etc.) is almost here. Crossing my fingers !!! Per this link, it looks like AT&T confirmed that releases would be in 2 weeks or so. Counting the days .... one, two, ...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] imabored:
does pre-launch usually mean it will release within a couple weeks? i've been waiting for this phone to come out for months. i hope it comes out within a couple of weeks.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] conceptcar3:
my tilt isnt running the way it used to either... its running FAR BETTER! have u tried some of the winmo 6.5roms? they are awesome! but i do know what you mean, it is getting creaky in its old age... HURRY UP AT&T!!!!!!!!!!!

if the 2 weeks is true, i will eat my shoe.... i dont see this thing hitting til at least october :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
yea I'm running b16b's 6.5 ROM. I do like 6.5, but the tilt can only do so much. and I'm eager to get a hold of the tilt 2...with that huge screen (a huge upgrade from the tilt's tiny screen) and the hardware KB is still so laggy, even with the speed increase cabs installed. HURRY ATT
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
According to Boy Genius Report (where the leaked photo linked above was taken from...without citation I might add) it can mean anywhere from a few weeks to several months.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
If they're too stupid to know that 2 weeks to 3 months is not the same thing as "2 weeks", it's probably to their favor that they don't cite. Whatever readers they might have would quickly discover they don't have the reading comprehension of a 10th grader and leave for greener pastures. On that note, they should really get a watermark removing program, because it wasn't hard to follow that back to the source.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] YodaJM:
Not to mention the original article is from a week ago :P
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
it might be an october release date on the touch pro 2 6.5 windows mobile

take a look

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...r-dead-warhawk-and-fortress-coming-in-octobe/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] azwildcat98:
Aug 24 has arrived and no TP2 from AT&T:(

August 24 has arrived, and no TP2 yet from AT&T. I have now officially reached my point of no return. With new capacitive touch screen phones starting to hit the announcement circuit, I want to get this phone while it still excites me, and has some shelf life left!! The Touch Pro 2 tree is in full bloom, bearing fuit, and AT&T keeps failing to pluck it while it's ripe. By the time AT&T decides to release it (Oct/Nov/Dec/or later), the season will be past and the trees will be shedding their leaves and starting to die, seems kind of ironic to me!

I have been a loyal AT&T customer for years, but my contract has long expired, so I am free switch to any carrier I choose. I think T-Mobile should be rewarded for bringing this phone to the U.S. Market first, so as of today they have earned my business!!! I know I am in the minority here, but I actually prefer the T-Mobile design to the original TP2. I think the T-Mobile version is a little flatter and more square, and removing the chrome frame makes it appear smaller too, which is important since this is already a large device. I also think the dark sparkle brown color exudes refinement and class, and makes it stand out. The black/silver look of the original TP2 is tired, uninspired, and the chrome frame makes it look like they are trying too hard to be another iPhone clone. The T-Mo TP2 has a fresh look that says 'I'm a leader, not an iPhone follower' .... at least in my humble opinion, though to each his (or her) own.

AT&T thanks for the memories ... hasta la vista!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
Good for you. Not everyone can do that, but I'm glad you had options. Just be sure to check your markets coverage thoroughly and quickly, especially focusing on those places where you call the most. Coverage maps (for all carriers) are just estimates, not guaranteed.

I like the TMobile design too, although earth tones aren't my thing, the actual brown used is a lot more subtle than TMobile's photographers/illustrators made it look. But I hate cheap chrome, I like long-lasting devices and I don't want scratching and cracking.

The only thing that has kept me from buying it right out is 3G. I just switched to TMobile's prepaid, which does not come with any data plan (unlike ATT's prepaid). I have some VoiP plans that I'd like to put to use, and although edge might be enough to pull off the data demands, stories about carriers cranking down edge capacity worry me, so I'd like to have options. A good solution would be TMobile launching a prepaid data plan (that isn't sidekick exclusive). Another solution is ATT finally getting their phone out, chrome and all. The best solution would be HTC surprising us with an unlocked, US GSM version that would support both company's 3g.

So I'll wait a bit longer and see what happens, and hopefully even get a better price in October/November (last Nov. ebay/live cashback went up to 35% and paypal had a november 10% off coupon, which is how I got my netbook).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] omaralt:
One thing i've learned is to never switch carriers just for a phone. If u are happy with at&t's coverage it would be idiotic to switch to tmobile just for a phone thats going to be outdated in a few months. Also keep in mind that tmobiles 3g network is in its infancy and has a much smaller footprint compared to at&t's 3g network. Good luck
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] azwildcat98:
Yes, it would be great if HTC released a US version that could work on both carriers, however I suspect they won't do this (at least not soon) since they sell hardware to both carriers, and wouldn't want to complete with them this early in the product lifecycle.

I share your concern about the carriers ratcheting down their EDGE speeds. However, there are still some new phones coming out without 3G (such as the Blackberry Curve 8900), so I am hoping this won't be anytime soon.

T-Mo did get a really late start in building out their 3G coverage, and it's quite a bit less comprehensive than AT&T's right now. From what I read, T-Mo chose to wait for the government to vacate the 700 MHz band, while AT&T didn't wait, and instead built out their network on the 850 MHz band, thus the 3G capability for the TP2 from T-Mo won't work on AT&T. Hopefully, T-Mo is working hard to catch up, and will be competative with AT&T's coverage by the end of the year. Therefore, by the time AT&T drops their TP2, T-Mo's 3G coverage should be much better, and I'll get the benefit of using the device in the meantime. I also heard that T-Mo's 3G speeds are much more consistent than AT&T's. T-Mobile averages over 700 Mbps consistently nationwide, while AT&T's 3G speeds can be as high as 900 Mbps, but also drop much lower than 700 in some markets. So both carriers have their negatives.

There is a really good deal on the T-Mo TP2 until the end of August. You can pick one up for $149.99 with a 24 month agreement, and it's only $200 to cancel if you decide to drop the plan, making it cheaper to sign up and then cancel than buying an unlocked one (or equivalent to buying it at the T-Mo store with a 24 month agreement). BTW, if you really want out of your AT&T plan, it's only $175 at the beginning of the 24 months, then the penalty drops by $5 for each month you stay on the plan. So it's not too painful if you really want out! ;-)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] argoldst:
I totally support you and applaud your actions. If enough people follow suit, that is ONLY way ATT will make any changes.

WELL DONE!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drpal181:
There was a rumor floating around for awhile that HTC was going to release an unlock TP 2 form north american 3g networks, running wm 6.1. Att was going to release thier tp2 running wm 6.5 few month later.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
I dont like that rumor...:(

I read in another place that if HTC is making the phone for the 4 major co en US, they should delay their launch...

That rumor I like ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Raspster:
This is been here for awhile and even thou it seems like it will NOT happen, called them a few times on this release and they STILL stand by it and claim an unlocked version WILL be out soon that will have the 850/1900 3G bands!

http://www.mobilecityonline.com/wireless/store/productdetail.asp?productid=24913
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
I'm twitching waiting for the TP2 although I STILL can't get used to using my Kaiser touch-only.... I'm going to really miss my dpad.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
It will be a bit easier with the much larger screen. Are you running 6.5 on your kaiser? I can't imagine using a Touch Pro 2 without 6.5, if there is no DPAD it HAS to have 6.5 where everything is much easier to scroll.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] i_z:
I am checking that link daily too, never actually called them, but I am very happy to hear it is not an accidentally forgotten link there. Thanks for that info Raspster! Did they by any chance say if it will be (like the touch pro) just an unlocked version of the ATT design, or if it would be the European gray/black/chrome (that would be my preference) outfit? I would buy it the day it becomes available, even though it is $150 more than the Euro3G version on their site, so a lower price would be more appealing, but I have been waiting for it too long.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Nah, I've stayed with a 6.1 ROM (in sig) on my Tilt. I need to look into 6.5 a bit, I haven't looked at it at all.. Does this mean that every program, regardless of specific scroll support, can be scrolled with drag/flick in 6.5? I certainly have a handful of programs which support this today but they're all specifically designed for it, etc..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mschaffer:
Unfortunately, no. I have seen a few that will not support the drag/flick gestures.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bloodgod:
i saw this phone a while back and i think it looks pretty tasty but i think at&t will drop the ball and possibly not release this phone since tmo brought it out for their crappy company (yeah i'm sour on with them for lots of reasons) ((for you guys that like the service don't hate me this is personal experience and don't knock you for enjoying their service)) i would like to see this phone out for multiple services but do i think it's going to happen no. at&t is too backwards to make any kind of progress other than their crappy iphony 3, 4, 5 gs hijklmnop or whatever they come out with next. i'm sick to death about it. sorry for the rant but somebody had to say it.

also don't flame me if i am wrong just stating my opinion
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
But most do support it though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
If you don't want to be flame, talk when you have evidence...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
you have no evidence of what you're saying, regardless if it's your opinion or not. this issue has been talked about many times in this thread and other threads. you're just really, really late. we're all upset with the way AT&T is handling their release of the Tilt2, but at least we all have the sense to know that it will eventually come out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bloodgod:
ok like i said earlier in case you forgot how to read "i think" and "my opinion"

are just that, my thoughts and opinions the last time i checked a forum was a place to speak your mind and a person's thoughts need no evidence. show me some hard facts that it's going to happen and not junk from lame brain sites that want attention. it's morons like you that don't actually read or understand what people are saying but are the first to attack someone for saying something you don't like.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] labbbby:
Wow, nice attitude you bring here. I believe you're just another Troll that we won't here from after the device is released...

What about the phone hitting FCC is that a hard fact?

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/atandts-htc-touch-pro2-hits-the-fcc/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bloodgod:
not really convinced but whatever. by the way that's your opinion and you are welcome to it. If it's ever released i'll still be here talking with everyone and probably laugh and get laughed at about it (

If or when i am wrong which i hope i am

)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
What about this???

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...spotted-again-this-time-with-atandt-branding/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Don't feed the trolls, everyone.

Meanwhile, while waiting, I'm deciding what programs on my Tilt go onto my new TP2. Then I'm going to look through new VGA+ or G-sensor type programs to see what new stuff to install. That'll keep me occupied for ... eh, a little while.

Hurry up ATT.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
nice attitude there. no one said you couldn't state your opinion, but what you're talking about has already been dealt with. there's evidence that the phone is coming to AT&T all over the place, including the 2-3 links that have been posted prior to my post, which means, my ignorant friend, that your opinion is moronic.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
and YOU won't be laughing about it, everyone will be laughing at you. prepare to be flamed some more. you won't even see it coming. haha
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kitchencop:
wow this thread has really gotten out of hand, come on fellas, i am assuming we are all adults. anyway, the phone looks good but im not to thrilled about the keyboard.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bloodgod:
trust me i will laugh about it because unlike some people i don't mind being proven wrong on good news, besides i made my post to share what was on my mind not to start a fight with anyone that's not how i am, so if you think thats what i was doing then YOU are wrong. so fine tell me you disagree with my opinion but don't talk like you never had thoughts or opinions that people disagreed with because nobody is better than anyone here, you may have knowlege that i don't have and maybe i have knowlege that you don't have so in my book i call that even.

now the only thing left for me to do is this,

i take back calling you and anyone else a moron. but just because the forum gets flooded by people that don't read the wiki and ask stupid questions about earlier posts does in no way give you the right to act like a fool, we are all above that otherwise we wouldn't be here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
k I'm not gonna waste my time reading all that. seriously, stop clogging up this forum with your BS and leave it for info about WHEN the phone is coming.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bloodgod:
i see you just proved an earlier point but whatever
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
I attribute all of the hostility to AT&Ts delays. Personally, I'm an angry bastard right now. Once I get my Tilt 2, I'll be plesant again. Until then... :mad:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Bloodgod:
^^i agree...btw i am eating my words from my first post here. i just got off the phone with a friend of mine that works out of a at&t store and he said sometime in october so yes

I WAS WRONG

and i couldn't be happier
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
well that dont mean nothing many phones make it past fcc and dont come out. ive said this before. ie omnia for att. That never came out but nonetheless passed fcc for att

Lay off bloodhound already. Jesus, guy talk about being in the wrong place. Hamburg is right we all have blueballs because of att and seems as if we took it out on u.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] drpal181:
The wait is killing me too. How long does it take to **** up the keyboard, add the worthless ptt button, load the crappy bloatware and paint the logo? I have been tempting to jump ship to t-moble. None of the T-moble stores have a demo tp2 on display but they are in the back, so you have to ask. I was offered a good deal to switch to t-moble today. Att needs to get with the ball.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
Uselsess PTT? No way, the TP2 has a severe lack of hardware buttons, that's one more button I can assign stuff to in AEButtonPlus. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tduck:
Had to drop almost the cost of a TP2 off contract on a new LCD monitor this weekend... the one I'm currently using looks like it's about to finally kick the bucket - conveniently less than a month after than the manufacturer's warranty expired. DAMN YOU SAMSUNG!

So bummed that it probably will be November before I can comfortably purchase what will inevitably be a $350 on a 2 year contract. Sigh.

</vent>
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
im still hoping and crossing my finger for a september 4th release date...after that date i would probably give up hope it coming out in september and wait till oct which is fine...my renew not till november...the end of november damn...maybe there would be a black friday sale for it...hmmm
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] greenbep:
Totally agree. :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
I am getting fricking tired of googled every day to see is there a release day.. the problem is that I sold my fuze to get the money for the TP2 and now I have to wait using a pize of shet motorola q....

jtoyz2 Why did you say Sep 4? just another opinion ?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
definately not sept 4
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
i think septemper 4th cause FCC was approve september 4th and 80 percent of the time its exactly 3 months when ATT release their phone upon FCC approval...the Fuze and the Tilt was exactly 3 months.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
80 pcnt of the time it works 20pcnt of the time.

If the store reps have not heard about it coming out on friday. Chances are they are not coming out this friday. They would get a heads up. They still have to stock these things.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Toleraen:
So is anyone taking bets on a price yet for AT&T? With T-Mo going for $350, and it looks like Sprint is releasing at $350, I have this feeling AT&T will go for a $399 price point.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
299 w/2yr contract
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] PRTEQ:
Sprint confirm their release in Sep 8.

So T mo, released aug 12, Sprint Sep 8. What the hell happen with AT&T???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] greenbep:
Hopefully they are waiting to release it with WinMo 6.5. Anyone have any more information on that?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Twenty4:
The few reps I have talked to said they won't know till the day before it is released. They said it is that way for all the new phones.