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[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ranxoren:
No i actually havent. But i didnt need to flash the SPL when i rooted the device following his instruction nor when i loaded the ION5 ROM.

I guess ill try doing that.

edit: the other "cool" thing is that since im on a trip i dont have a card reader or another device handy to connect my microsd card to the computer and load another update.zip

the other thing also is that "adb push update.zip /sdcard/update.zip" to try and push it from the terminal on my computer wont work as it is on fastboot mode.

edit2: so i fastbooted with my original boot.img and it went past the Rogers logo, past the HTC MAGIC logo, then the HTC logo with the NEW android guy saying byebye came on and now it just booted into HERO !!!! :D - Just went through the setup process then now its booted.

Now the thing is im PRETTY sure that if I restart the device just manually without being connected to a computer, it will freeze at the Rogers logo and Ill only be able to use it if its fastbooted via my nandroid boot.img.

Any way to flash it permanently ?
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] parrot5:
When I rooted I didn't do the SPL update as well... but I think I'm going to need it for the roms
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ranxoren:
Ok so as I was guessing, after a reboot it got stuck at the Rogers logo and i had to fastboot my recovery boot.img for it to start again.

So i did that, switched the update.zip for the ION5 (fixed for Rogers with wifi and pdf fix) one and now im back on ION5 with wifi and no problems.

This hero one looks and feel great (really snappy) and the widgets are to die for but the lack of wifi at the moment and the boot.img problem just ruin it for me.

Ill have to wait and see. ION5 is great and thats what im running for now.

I didnt need the SPL update for the ION5 rom i dont see how this one would need it and not another custom rom. I think this rom needs some work - dont take me wrong its a great rom (good job Killadude i would have never been able to do this) but theres too many problems with it right now on my end.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Killadude:
USE THE BOOT.IMG THAT U BOOTED SUCESFULLY, COPY THIS BOOT IMAGE TO THE TOOLS DIRECTIRY AND IN THE FASTBOOT MODE FLASH THIS BOOT IMAGE.

eg fastboot flash boot boot.img (rename the last boot.img to the image that worked for u)

hopefully tht works...
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ranxoren:
Yeah that still gave me the FAILURE verify error. I tried that earlier.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Killadude:
try this one....

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4UXGHMD1
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] hotweiss:
I just tried it. It doesn't work.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] ranxoren:
Yeah didnt work here either... Oh well. Ill just wait for one supporting Wifi anyways.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] phzn:
same issue

had that same signature issue earlier today while I was trying restore my original back ups. The only way I found around it was to replace my existing 0009 SPL with 0005 Eng SPL. With that done, I was able to restore my original back up. No problems so far.
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] peshinho:
htc magic (rogers) hith hero rom

Guys: i have the hero rom and no wifi and no 3g or hsdpa either.

this phone is hsdpa 850 / 1900.

Did you loose the 3g as well among with the wifi?

how can i fix it as i din't have the original rogers rom to roll back

do someone have the original htc magic (rogers) rom??

Please need help as i really need the wifi and the 3g.

Thanks in advance.

consolesolutions2@gmail.com
[myTouch 3G, Magic Android Development] Slystorm:
Hey guys,

First of all, thanks a lot for this ROM. Still a lil bit laggy but works pretty fine actually.

One question though : Am I the only one who managed to make the wifi working? It seems to work really fine on my device (Vodafone NL 32B), but I have to admit that the Bluetooth is still disabled...

But anyway, if you need any more info about what I've done (actually I just installed the ROM, but as some steps went wrong, I'm just wondering if it has something to do with this miracle...)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
I just recently bought a Palm Pre and returned it, hated it! So I bought the touch pro knowing it cam out almost a year ago (impulse buy). Now I am just curious, I know the touch pro 2 is coming to sprint, but its rumored that the hero will be out for sprint later this year, possibly December. Which one should i wait for?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lhwparis:
i think major difference is the qwerty keyboard so decide if you need this or not.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nicelad_uk:
+ one is android and other WM, usually a big difference depending on what you like.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
That will depend on what is for you need the device

TP2: Buissness oriented device with the second best physical keyboard (1st is from Universal:D)

Hero: Multimedia oriented device with an OS tha promises a lot in the future, by now it needs to grow up and madurate
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] SuperAdvan:
Welcome to my world, all these damn phones coming out, Hero I like however things I dont like are the shape, imagine that in your pocket? "Are you pleased to see me or is that a HTC Hero in your pocket?" and as the person above mentioned, lack of keyboard.

White doesnt stay clean for long either.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Haha, yeah I know, keyboard is a big deal to me. It's just WM seems to disappoint me a lot. Although I have high hopes for 6.5, I'm thinking sprint is waiting for 6.5 to release to touch pro 2, it would make it all that better!

But still, functionality versus a keyboard, I don't know! haah
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] SuperAdvan:
I know what you mean about WM, but HTC have done a great job of masking the dull and boring monolike OS with Touchflo from what I have seen and WM 6.5 looks like a vast improvement at least visually.

Personally I think you, like me, would probably get bored of Android and the touch screen keypad would drive me nuts in the end.

I tried typing on an Iphone 3GS yesterday to get a (improved) idea of what a Diamond 2 or Hero might be like and with my fingers theres no chance I would type quickly on that ever, it would be like trying to look behind you without moving your head.

TP2 is the way to go, however the Omnia Pro is coming soon too, but then the Nvidia Tegra chipset powered HTC HD sequal is comign - I cant decide either, phones are like PC graphics cards these days.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
the shape is virtually the same as the G1, and I've never heard anyone complain about any discomfort when they put the G1 in their pocket. and there may not be a hardware KB, but as far as onscreen KB's go, it looks like the Hero's will be one of best so far. and I like how the screen is capacitive and thus supports multi touch.

personally, I'm getting the TP2 when it comes out on AT&T. I'm also planning on picking up an unlocked Hero (unless it finds its way to the states, specifically AT&T). just want something else to play around with :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] monx®:
Please buy both. Both has different strength, features & abilities. Both are totally different. I hope i will get one if god willing :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] galaxys:
For me it will be the one with the biggest screen & WM on it...TP2!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
Yeah but the hero has a capacitive screen right? or am I wrong about that? Im actually not sure but I would think that it does because all the other android ones by HTC ara capacitive

Edit: I checked and im pretty sure its capacitive but I just browsed through search results
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Telephonmann:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=530600
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
The same question has been haunting me lately too. I've been waiting forever for the TP2 to come to AT&T and now I see this. If they end up having release dates close together I'm thinking I might go with the hero. The main thing that will bother me is the lack of keyboard since I'm coming from a Kaiser (Tilt).

White is not definite. Colors and providers are yet to be determined according to an HTC rep on a youtube video that I saw earlier (If I can track it down again I'll include it with an edit....)

Agreed, but there's one big difference. You can get an upgrade discount on phones once every 1.5 years, otherwise you're paying out your A$$. Graphics cards are always the same (usually relatively lower) price.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Yeah you seem like you have the same thoughts as I do. I think you're right about getting tired with the android phone. I love messing with WM and modding it. I know you can with android, but it will have its limits. The thing about touch pro 2 not being a capacitive touch screen, it bums me out and makes me ask why they won't do this with WM yet. I can say they have been improving their resistive screens, big difference from the mogul to the touch pro, so I hope they can do that again. I am definitely leaning toward the touch pro 2. Does anyone know why they won't go with the capacitive screen on WM or touch pro 2?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mi|enko:
This is exactly why I'm shying away from the TP2 and leaning towards the Hero or the Magic. The sheer idea of there being opportunities where I might need to resort to the stylus are completely holding me back. Guess I'll have to actually play with one before I make my decision; but, since using the capacitive touchscreen (iphone/G1), I'm not sure I can go back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] BioTecK:
LOL! :) Yeah, I don't like the shape of it too..

I would go for TP2 as it's not going to disappoint you! ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bobdude5:
Hard descision

touch pro 2 is coming to tmobile august 8th and hero im not sure but the magic is coming july 8th..the resisitive touch screen on the pro is so smooth it feels like its capacitive..and its alot bigger screen and has multitouch..but the hero has android and its built very nicely with the teflon coat and finger print proof screen..i hate phones :( so many choices :(((
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
The resistive screen is one of the selling points for me, especially one as finger-friendly as TP2s. Best of both worlds. I get easy navigation without having to constantly sheath and unsheath the stylus, but I can use a compact and conveniently tucked away stylus when needed. I very much doubt I'll ever need it for the basic interface, but with some apps I'll want it. My Palm TX has been my primary Chinese-English dictionary for some time (before it, my Palm T|T and m500 served the same purpose), and the same software is available for WinMo. I'd just as soon use a stylus for character recognition. For that matter, I'd just as soon use a stylus for handwritten memos. I imagine capacitative screen users get by on both fronts just fine, but for me, I'm glad there's a good resistive screen still available.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] SuperAdvan:
So far with my TP2, I have not used the stylus at all and I am a pretty heavy business user, thats emails, facebook, youtube, general browsing and posting on forums, stock, sms.

Whats more I have yet to use the actual qwerty keyboard aswell, I find the touch one good enough everytime unless I'm typing a huge email or document.

My advice is go and actually look at the Diamond 2 and TP2 in the flesh, it is totally different to looking at it on the internet, it really is a quality product.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
sorry to burst your bubble, sir, but the TP2 doesn't support multi touch. that luxury is reserved for devices that have a capacitive display. and while the TP2 feels like it's capacitive, it isn't. the Hero, on the other hand, IS capacitive and therefore the screen supports multi touch
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] whtrbt7:
Hero would be a nice device to have but for Windows Mobile users, we'll have to switch a lot of apps over to Android. For me, I'm not so sure about full exchange synchronization, logmein, and application support on Android yet. It would be a much smoother user experience I think but it will come at the cost of having a fledgling OS. I really like Sense UI and a lot of the HTC innovations that are on the Hero though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Okay, but I am still not understanding why WM and HTC don't come together and make a capacitive screen?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] whtrbt7:
Windows Mobile traditionally uses resistive touchscreen capabilities to get pinpoint accuracy. That's why you can use a stylus with the resistive touchscreens. Capacitive touchscreens currently only use finger input and are not too accurate unless it has the capability for Wacom pen input which is close to never used on Windows Mobile or any other really mobile device. IMO, I like resistive touchscreen better than capacitive due to that accuracy. There is software and hardware in the works for a multi-touch resistive touchscreen in the future since AMOLED flexible screen technology will use resistive touchscreen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
It would be theoretically possible for a resistive touchscreen to have a form of multitouch. You'd just need different zones that each had their own patch of resistive material. The functionality would be more limited than it is on capacitative, but it could still be used to increase typing speed (make sure half the keyboard is layed out on one resistive patch, and the other on another) and do some limited zooming (could only pinch in the center, one finger on either side, couldn't target a zoom without a separate gesture).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I still prefer resistive screens, IMO..

the ability to pinch and zoom and all that stuff with capacitive screens is great and all, but when it comes down to it, I'm gonna want something that I can use with one hand. and the pinch zoom thing requires 2 hands to use. which is why I like the TP2. plus, resistive screens are meant to be accurate, which is another plus for me

and yea, with capacitive screens you can play all those games like what the iPhone offers, but I'm willing to sacrifice those. lol.

and fortunz is right, there is potential for resistive screens to utilize multi touch, it just needs to be developed.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
What was it I read the TP1 did for zoom in pictures? Like a little circle gesture? That seems like a better solution for zooming to me than current multitouch methods--and pop is right, one-handed operation is nice to have--especially with resistive screens improving in responsiveness.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Okay cool, I knew most of this, but why won't WM and HTC go with capacitive screens and I believe sprint is waiting for WM 6.5 to release the touch pro 2!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quarintus:
Well I think HTC would. It's all about Microsoft. Their OS isn't capacitive capable yet. WM 6.5 isn't on purpose still version 6.x. I don't know if they are going to change it to capacitive with WM 7. COuld be. But maybe there are more possibilities to get resistive screen to the same screen sensitivity as capacitive and to make it multi touch.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bobdude5:
oh wth i dont know what i was thinking when i wrote that..i think i was talking about the hero..infact i was quite sure i was talkking about the hero

i have the magic with hero sense ui on it and its very nice..it gave my magic multi touch and flash :)..the homescreen customization is my favorite part..i hope a port for android hero comes to the touch pro2 it would be really nice
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Cool, thanks for your help everyone. I'll be getting the touch pro 2!

But still accuracy is just plain annoying with a stylus, I believe resistive is

on its way out as we speak.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bobdude5:
no get hero :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mike21pr:
im def. getting a hero
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
I disagree whole-heartedly. Capacitative isn't a universally better screen tech than resistive. It's just better in some respects and worse in others. They should both thrive.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
Resistive Multi-touch looks like it might just be some firmware away!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/19/stantums-mind-blowing-multitouch-interface-on-video/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
I had a little trouble hearing the guy at the end of the first video, but I gather there were some manufacturing processes and standards the screens had to go thru and I thought he said the software wouldn't work on current phones.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
WOW thats awesome
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quarintus:
I know he said this. But I guess it will be a while because this takes some serious processing power...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
You guys are correct... I went back and listened again.

But at any rate, I'm stoked about this resistive multi-touch! I cant wait to see it on an HTC device!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Ya it would be nice, but I think it would be better if they made capacitive screens that could work with a stylus too, I know this defeats the whole purpose, but still options to the consumers is most important! Also I like WM 6.5 but still not impressive and still maintains lame UI in SMS and such things. What I look forward to is WM 7 and a whole new capacitive screen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
Theoretically, capacitive screens can already use styli (that's my attempt at pluralizing stylus). The stylus just needs to be made of highly conductive materials or have a built in power source.

As for WM7, the HTC Fortess spec sheet that ATT leaked said that the TP2 will be upgradable to WM7. The diamond2, on the other hand, would require a hardware upgrade. Cant wait to see what they do with it. Microsoft has been taking a lot from Google's book lately, so hopefully they incorporate some things similar to google mobile (e.g. bing maps?)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
True that, I definitely look forward to something like this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
There are styluses (both plurals are appropriate) now for capacitative screens. So far, every one I've seen has been huge, finger-sized, and as a result, worthless. I assume that this is a result of current capacitative screens being tailored to finger usage, much the way that resistive screen used to not detect finger-sized input because they were tailored for styli. Even if that is the reason, Capacitative fans seem to think there's no reason for a stylus ever, so I'm not sure those platforms will ever make their wares stylus-friendly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
its already pretty much been concluded that that spread sheet shouldn't be taken seriously. I doubt the TP2 will be upgradeable to WM7 since it doesn't comply with the specs that microsoft set out. one of those things is a capacitive touch screen.

there are rumors that HTC is developing a capacitive touch screen device (probably the firestone). since the firestone is supposed to be the successor to the touch HD, the rumors states that the firestone may be capacitive since its specs aren't much different than the touch HD
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
I know Sprint (CDMA) will be receiving the WM7 phone later on, but will it be the firestone (or Europe only) or be like touch pro 3 capacitive?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
Lancaster: Hero w/ a Keyboard??

I've seen the leaks of the Lancaster before... actually at the same time as the Fortress (AT&T's TP2) leak, but never considered that it could be the Hero with a keyboard!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/04/htc-hero-lancaster-running-android-and-rosie-ui-launching-on/

If this truly is the Hero, I think the presence of the keyboard makes my decision very easy (esp since I'm on AT&T and will have the initial exclusive release).

Hero, here I come... :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
the lancaster isn't the hero. it's a totally different phone. smaller screen, lower screen resolution, and a hardware keyboard.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Is it completely different from the hero, like the menu and everything?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] B-Real206:
@josiah7

here is a link to info about the hero http://www.engadget.com/hub/htc-hero

It looks pretty cool, IF sprint gets it I hope the get a different color than white. I plan on getting the tp2 when it releases and then the hero to replace second phone later in the year!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nicelad_uk:
I've had the Rhodium since launch date and while its a great phone, I've had many issues with build quality on, so much so, I don't have one now. Which is a shame as I waited 6 months for it to be release!

I've got my Hero on pre-order, unfortunatly in white as I don't know when the brown/black one will be released in the uk. Shouldn't really get dirty though due to the teflon coating, but we will wait and see.

I will miss the hardware keyboard from the Rhodium, but very optomistic about Android, make a nice change from WM crashing when installing various programs. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josiah7:
Hmms, seems interesting, but I have my heart with WM still, cause I know WM7 will be a hit!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] B-Real206:
I am under the impression that wm7 won't work on the touch pro 2. I haven't really seen anything about wm7. Do you have any links so I can read up. Again I plan on getting both phones anyway. Windows Mobile 6.5 is what the tp2 will be upgraded to.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thedudelasse:
Windows mobile 7 is way far off... You'll probably have a new device before windows mobile 7 is released.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
the TP2 won't be able to run WM7. end of story.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
But sure our dear Chefs and Devs here would be able to port it someway or another (Skinning, UI, apps, etc.)

My old Universal with wm5 apparently was not able to run wm6 or 6.1 and I have a beautyfull wm6.5 ROM working great:cool:

End of story.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I'm talking about the official update to WM7. of course it'll be able to run cooked ROMs, but I'm talking about the official ROM update from HTC or any specific carrier. it's a different story when it's a cooked ROM and an official ROM update.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Yes it´s a diferent story...

But cooked ROM´s ALWAYS are much much better than the "official" ones, that is what I´m talking about:cool: