yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
dang should have read the top of page this rom is rooted has anyone else be able to go back i have not tryed yet i hope this does not have that dreaded spl in it
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
This rom is not rooted...
[G1 Android Development] lilwill2806:
so we are able to return back to a previous rom or test others were not stuck with this one. and theres no way anyone could push su and terminal throught to gain access huh?
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
I'm sure there is a way, I recall doing it once before (maybe) but it was a post and not a thread and therefore would be VERY hard to search...so if anyone knows...please share.
[G1 Android Development] samethsom:
I also recall someone posting on how to regain root if you've lost it....it will be hard to search.
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
will the dreaming img approach work or will not work ?
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
thats not for what we are asking...we already have rooted G1s but this rom in its current form does not have super user permissions.

Flashing the .nbh would do nothing but revert u to scratch...then by the time you get back to flashing this rom...you'll be exactly where u were.
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
forgive me im new to this only 3 months exp so we still have our root but we can not access it your saying correct ?
[G1 Android Development] samethsom:
Probaly gonna have to it in recovery to regain.

^^ to be honest, i really dont know, but i dont see why it wouldnt work.....doesnt hurt to try.
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
nm

never mind
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
we still have root...in fact its really hard to truly get rid of root once you have it.

I think you can even flash an official OTA build and retain root....but I'm not sure about that so don't quote me.

but not every build utilizes superuser permissions...like this one.
[G1 Android Development] geahboi:
lost root

hi all.

been following hero, cupcake, and the various other builds here on this forum and want to start by thanking everyone for all the hard work they do.

Second I would liked to let everyone know that I, for one, have lost root after flashing this rom and then flashing to JACHero's port of this rom. :(

This happened AFTER having a rooted G1 running Cyanogen's various builds which all had root(so please don't think I'm just crazy and never really had root to begin with). :P

Curious if I'm the only one?
[G1 Android Development] vpstriderz:
For those that want superpermission, push su and superuser.apk to data/app_s

then you can use overclock and swapper
[G1 Android Development] geahboi:
oops

false alarm. forgot to reboot. me = noob still :( sorry all
[G1 Android Development] stopjockingme@gmail.com:
how do you do that exactly? noobie here. :)
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
Su and Superuser.apk

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=521863
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
Pushed over using adb push, and still doesn't root. :mad:
[G1 Android Development] vpstriderz:
get su and superuser.apk from JacHero v.2, then adb push them to data/app_s

then reboot
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
can i just extract from the zip file?
[G1 Android Development] superg05:
caam/camcorder

did'nt work for me but im still checking out the features on this rom the camcorder and camera have digital zoom we can adjust the resolution of photos there are some filter options effects and setting im impress big improvement on cam over last build
[G1 Android Development] vpstriderz:
yeah that what I did.
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
rebooting now

its amazing how much this phone has made me at basic computer skills.

Hrm... didn't work. Are you using apps2SD?
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
doesn't need to be in system/app ?
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
ok I adb shell into data/app_s and it contains su and superuser.apk

rebooted again, not sure if I am doing something wrong.
[G1 Android Development] cheesebeanie:
so are we to assume that this is not the best of roms yet ????? keen to try but no wifi is making me a little iffy also how is the gps?
[G1 Android Development] RaiderX303:
im gonna flash this now and see if i can get some things working
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
The Rom is awsome, but it is not rooted.

I have tried everything I can think of to obtain root.

Every type of copy I do gets me a blank screen.

I guess I will run this till somone smarter then me gets it rooted.
[G1 Android Development] nk02:
to have root just push Superuser.. in the next release there is superuser.apk

ps: this is a rom for sapphire!
[G1 Android Development] nk02:
double post
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
I am using a Dream, and it works wonderfully, just not the root portion of it.

I would appreciate a little more detail as to adb push which file to which folder. Would I need to chmod anything?

nk02, this is the file I downloaded last night. If i try to su, I get:

Permission denied

here1here2here3$

Edit: IT WORKED!

I was able to just push the Superuser.apk to /data/app_s

Thanx
[G1 Android Development] nk02:
:)

in the next hours fatal1ty will upload a new version with superuser, play audio fix, and others bugfix
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
Sweet! hope i dont have to wipe
[G1 Android Development] dr_dre:
As ive got a sapphire in what sense are g1 cooked roms and g2 cooked roms interchangeable ?

just try ( as you guys just done with the fatality/nk02 one ) or is that a nono?
[G1 Android Development] Brutal-Force:
is your sapphire rooted?

If so I would go look into the sapphire forums, you probably have this rooted for your phone as well.
[G1 Android Development] dr_dre:
its a general question.
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
sheesh...pushing over terminal and superuser seemed ot be a bad idea on my end.
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Funny thing here when I see some phones sell for $200 and then 2 more people come and put it up for $400 or $600. What I don't get is why can't you guys follow the regular market? You won't get the best price for selling stuff here because almost everyone knows the device and how much it's worth. Ebay/Craigslist are usually the ones that sell for higher because you have a bigger audience. In a dev forum, I think that people would be looking for the best price. I bought a touch hd for $300 from the marketplace. That was a great value. Somepeople bought it for $500. I mean great, but seriously. Having things like putting up a fuze for $400 even if it's BNIB and Xperia for over $500? You may not agree and say it's my personal opinion on pricing and blah blah but I would suggest you take a look at how much devices sold for here and on eBay and then post your asking price. I saw ridiculous things such as someone asking the same amount as a brand new one from retail. It's ridiculous. I admit I'm trying to sell a device here, but not saying like $300. I am selling one with a broken screen, and all I did was look at the price for what they were regularly selling it for, find a medium, take that price, subtract money for screen. I thought that was reasonable, but I guess others don't. I don't care about getting the best sell out there. I just want to sell it to someone who knows what they're doing unlike people who buy the iPhone to show off, etc.
[Off-topic] jnorlund:
I agree wholeheartedly. I was actually selling a phone recently and found a buyer on Craigslist. I researched on ebay/CL first.

If never ceases to amaze me that someone thinks they can get more money for the previous gen's unlocked price than someone would pay for the current gen phone without contract. Capitalism is great and all but it's pretty easy nowadays to get right to the real market value. If you get tons of responses at one price it probably could have gone a little higher and that's how you would know.
[Off-topic] Who-m3:
While I can both agree and disagree, I must point out that it is at the sellers discretion what he/she may sell a device at. Likewise, it is at the buyers discretion what he/she will pay for a device. Yes, I've gotten some great deals on here. Yes, I've essentially called someone a moron here for trying to sell a device for much more than it's worth. Yes, I've been responded to on both situations. However, A devices' value will vary from one person to the next. It's all in the eyes of the techie that wants it.

With that said, I do agree that asking full retail or more for a device, regardless of its' condition, is a bit..well.. stupid. However, if someone wants the device bad enough, they'll pay the price. Case-in-point, Expansys has the Touch Pro 2 (http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=179097) for 499 Sterling ($826.99 USD, for those of us who spend in USD instead of British Pounds). While I can only say "WTF ARE YOU ON", there's no doubt in my mind that Expansys is selling these devices on a regular basis. The value is all in the eyes of the buyer. Is it worth it for me to spend $830.00 on a phone? No. Is it worth it to someone else? Probably. I can't fault Expansys for trying to make some money, but I can't say that I'd be one of the suckers buying from them either.

It's all a game of perception. Regardless of market value, you'll still see some things selling for extreme prices. At the same time, you'll still see some users just about giving a device away. Final case: I got my HTC Athena (8gb MicroDrive, Window Mount, Car Charger, House Charger, Sync Cable, VGA Cable, and HTC USB Splitter (for sync + wired headset) for 200 + 15 shipping. Ebay says it sells for between 350 and 1200. The seller was interested in selling, I was interested in buying.

That's my $.02, it'll cost you $9,999.99. I take Cash, Money Order, and PayPal (verified only).

-John
[Off-topic] Sir.B:
[rant]

your points of view are valid and you are allowed to have your opinions,

opening a thread to discuss it is a good way to handle it

but to regurgitate it in every post in which you disagree about the asking price is a bit rude

(if you don't agree with the price don't bid,

make a counter offer but don't laugh at or insult the sellers, which your bargaining technique seems to be)

I never sold anything online, so

I tried to sell here 1st (I'll assume others do it for the same reason)

because eBay is a hassle (and the fees)

and

it's always nice to pass it on to someone who knows how to get the most from a device

turns out eBay was less hassle then here

my conclusion is that eBay is better for newer Devices in great condition

and forums might be better for less than good condition or older devices / parts

eBay/Craigslist nets a better price because the buyer gets what they want when they want it

scouring the forum(s) for a deal takes longer and more effort

to each buyer and seller his/her own, that’s capitalism :)

[/rant]
[Off-topic] Kraize:
It's a good idea to mention it in every post I see unfit. Just reminds them that they won't be able to sell it that high and it'll be a waste of time. I'm saving them that time :)
[Off-topic] tomal:
I do agree with Kraize.

It is definitely an interest from the buyer and seller. Unusual price is not really helping anyone and just waste of time. Besides seller has to keep in mind that it is a forum, not like....eBay...
[Off-topic] corepda:
Its a marketplace my friend. Who we are to determine what people should ask for their phone. :) Your points are valid & rather it resembles to my wishful thinking as well, but you know its about market, how can we control it when US govt itself couldn't. Let them have the best price for their device if they feel then can get one here. But yes one should not feel bad about low balls for sure.(Who-M3 must be in agreement with me in this case) LOL
[Off-topic] |Jason8|:
Hey guys, I have an HTC Fuze. It's for sale, $699.99.

That includes shipping to anywhere in the world (that I can ship stuff to.)

It's in great shape. The battery cover is worn a bit, but hey, I'll buy you a new one and have it sent to your door. Included!

Drop me a PM if interested.
[Off-topic] Sir.B:
judging from your past posts and choice of phrases

seems like a pompous and abrasive attitude, you obviously enjoy it,

there is just a more civil way to voice your aversion to the price

just because we can and are "free" to do something, doesn't mean we should.
[Off-topic] orb3000:
There is a perfect match always.

What I mean is that if someone decides to sell his device in $700 and someone else decide to buy it that´s ok!

Even if we know that this is not the real price.

It is different to try to scam people

than the value you put your device, that is so personal.

My Univeral for me has a value of much more than it´s real price and if someone thinks like me sure if he decides to sell it will be in a superior price

There is the real value and the sentimental value...

So we just have to help to improve security for scammers, but for regular trustable members, let them sell their devices to the price they think it´s ok!

Just my opinion.

Respectfully,
[Off-topic] Who-m3:
I understand you wanting to make your point, and I understand Kraize wanting to make his. However, can you do me a favor when making yours, and STOP hitting the return key. Let the word-wrap do it's job. My head is hurting trying to figure out why you keep doing that. Let the software do its' job. It's wasting my bandwidth! :-(

That said, his attitude and posts may appear to be pompous and abrasive to you, but to others his posts can be interpreted as guidance. At the same time, your post above can be seen as pompous and abrasive. However, just as you've indicated towards Kraize, it may be the way you prefer to handle this situation.

Again, with everything we have said in mind, these forums are Moderated by a team of people who do their best to stay unobtrusive. They may see some of the posts above and say "You know, that's just crossing the line". Hell, I've reported posts with less attacks for that type of stuff. At the same time, they may agree with you, or with Kraize, but that doesn't mean they'll let everything stay. That's my $.02, and I want my $9,999.99 now..

-John
[Off-topic] Kraize:
O! Hai! Guys! We have a genuine person here! He can tell what type of attitude I have just by looking at how I post! I mean there are no emotions or expressions shown through text, but this guy obviously gets it! Psh. Know what you're talking about before you say it please. Doesn't matter how I convey my opinion (as long as it's within civil limits), I can get my point across. Obviously I am a lot more immature. That comes with my age. I can't help being agressive when you people post stuff for such high prices, but it doesn't matter. It really does save people time from having to bump their thread, re-think their pricing, posting, rejecting, etc.
[Off-topic] LWBIIPLLC:
Market v. Extrinsic v. Intrinsic Value

If I may . . . I think you are all tugging and pulling at the distinctions between market value, extrinsic value, and intrinsic value. In reverse, intrinsic value of something is said to be the value that the thing has “in itself" and for its own sake. In a sense it has value because it "is". By this reckoning: Even the trade name "HTC" has value in that the goodwill that it generates makes people buy its products over say, a Palm product. I would argue this is precisely why some of you inherently react differently to characterizing a device as an "Athena" v. "Advantage" v. "Dopod" v. a "Thoth"; this-without regard to the sub-model designation, or the network carrier, if so assigned. Although it's insufficient to put it that extrinsic value is the opposite of intrisic value, for brevity, it'll do here. So, as one of our members so astutely put it "if X is in a world of letters out there, and among them, another letter, K is willing to buy X's item for $700, then the price for the item is $700". This is NOT the "Market Price" however. It is the price for THAT item; and it is reasonable between the parties. As to Market Price, that is what you get when you take the amalgamation of all like-kind transactions, based on arms-legnth negotiations, bargained-for-in-exchange resulting in an overall price scheme. (P.S. Mucking around with any of these does not affect the presence of fraud or the lack thereof. Nor does it relate much to the question of quality assurance. X can still swindle K; X can still sell K a brick. This above analysis remains unchanged).

I DO follow a rule of "tennor". A rule most of you are writing about without actually addressing it. That is: If you don't get along with the person, or find their posts insulting (even quietly insulting to your sensibility); if you have no meeting of the minds at the outset of an introductory email or PM or post, is it rational to expect you would have such a meeting of the minds when a transaction goes south? The only thing that surprises me about this . . . is that people keep getting surprised when such things occur.
[Off-topic] rmcknight:
Funny?

Is it me or is it pretty funny that someone tried to jack this thread to sell their Fuze for $700?
[Off-topic] corepda:
I think mods are on holiday. This thread should have not been here. It affects independent functioning of market place.
[Off-topic] Sir.B:
Sorry, I am using a small screen device, it's just easier to write that way, I'll try and curb that habit. I had no idea carriage return burns bandwidth, how so?

I never claimed to know your intentions, I simply say that your comments are harsh, you can say all the same things less derisively and more politely.

I made no assumptions about you as a person, and you yourself admit to having an aggressive approach to discourse, something I disagree as necessary. Just doesn't seem to go with "respectful" philosophy implied in forum rules.
[Off-topic] katzung:
i thought i might see a real info on pricing but here

ITS THE WWF SHOW.

what if you people had been like a buyer and a seller in a market arguing on the price of something in real life, man i am sure u people wouldve smacked eachother hard. lol

thats y i say

xda rules!
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Hey!

What ever are our points of view, let´s keep this thread in peace and respect, so Mods can leave it open for continuing with this hot debate.

Just a suggestion:)
[Off-topic] Kraize:
LOL. You know, if this was in real life, I'm sure that if someone told me an outrageous price, I would've smacked them, shook my head, and laughed.
[Off-topic] DaveShaw:
Thread moved to off-topic.

The marketplace is for buying / selling / trading only.

Thanks

Dave
[Off-topic] Kraize:
While I agree with you about 25%, I don't see that in the rules.
[Off-topic] DaveShaw:
Nothing personal, or realy about this thread, but if one's allowed then so are others, and that could clutter the Marketplace making it harder to use and moderate.

Thanks

Dave
[Off-topic] corepda:
I think it should have been moved Kraize, it was in larger interest. marketplace should be free from discussions(specially if they effects independent functioning of MP) Moreover I have seen certain similar threads being trashed(some of those of mods themselves) in the past. So I think we must continue with the discussion you started rather than pointing it out on the move of Dave. :)

Regards

Saksham Katyal
[Off-topic] custardo01:
The problem is the discussions are happening within threads often by people who are not interested in buying or trading. Users who want to buy/sell or trade have no chance to do so while these discussions are going on in their threads. Wouldn't this be a good time to make an adjustment to the rules that the Market Place is only for buying/selling and trading and that users may not post unless interested in doing exactly that? It's a big problem. I've just sold my Touch HD by PM in the Market Place without starting a thread for fear of it being hijacked having been a victim in the past of such occurrences. I think some people think it is a place to debate when it clearly is not and is unique when compared to the other Forums on XDA.
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Awe. Are you mad at me because your diamond2 didn't sell at the outrageously overprice you wanted it to sell for??
[Off-topic] custardo01:
@DaveShaw also some people admit to being rude and aggressive showing no respect to other users and are allowed to do it. Why are they allowed to get away with it? You can see the problem. Hope you can do something.
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Hey. Buddy. I said agressive. Not stupid, retarded, or rude? K? How about settling this with me instead of running to Dave. I don't get what your problem is. I didn't hijack your thread. You brought it upon yourself. It's a MARKETPLACE. There are no fixed prices unless the customer buys at that price. If you don't like it, I suggest you go to eBay. And I wasn't rude to anyone. Get your facts straight. Sir. B may have lost it with me a bit, but he's right in his own moral grounds and I understand that. You, however, weren't when you were selling your d2.
[Off-topic] jnorlund:
Kraize, take a chill pill for a sec. I was the first to reply and am on your side but you're not going to win anyone over with the way you shout everyone down who takes you to task.

As for the previous posters who talk about the different ways to look at value, be real. For a retail item there is an MSRP and then retailers buy at X price and resell, the phone companies discount usually with a contract. I'm all for buy low and sell high if you find something below normal price, our system revolves around that.

But when you ask more for an item that is not different really in any way that what it currently goes for at retail and the item is widely available, that is just trying to rip off people. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion on what something is worth, but if we don't want to "clutter" the forum with unrelated posts...I personally think people with outrageous asking prices clutter it up way more than off topic comments. My 2 cents and I will sell them for $0.015 or best offer.
[Off-topic] Kraize:
Sorry man if you thought i was yelling or something. That's how I normally talk. No yelling included.
[G1 Apps and Games] hiroots:
I've emailed the dev and asked the people on there but no response back. So what it is, is that I'm trying to upload my defult pic on there and it says "cannot crop. Do you have enough space on your sd card." I have a 8gb sd card so idk why. I tired taking a pic with that app but it still doesn't work. It makes a folder in the root of my sd card but still come out with same results. Thanks for your help.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dwbchen:
Hi,

Does anyone have the same problem as I do where it is not possible to do video calls? The option (as stated in the manual) can not be seen anywhere on my phone. Just wondering if it is something that is disabled in the ROM, and how to fix this issue?

ROM Version - 1.12.531.2 (49169) WWE

Radio - 3.44.25.17

Protocal Version - 61.24t.25.17U
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ohyeahar:
Have you checked the toggle located at the bottom left of the dialer when you open the phone app?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dwbchen:
When I press the button you mentioned, it would bring up call history page rather than toggle into video call mode. Forgot to mention though, my TP2 has T-Mobile logo all over it so it may not be generic?

Thanks for the reply!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orbitalen:
I believe u don't have the front facing camera? If that's the case, then u won't have that function (cuz most of the companies remove the second camera and I don't remember whether T-mobile is one of them or not) :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
are you located in the United states or in europe?