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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] azwildcat98:
AT&T Tilt 2 Released in stores *FINALLY*

So the Tilt 2 has finally arrived in AT&T stores. Did everyone rush out and pick one up yesterday??? If so, are you feeling good about spending $300 to lock yourself into this device for the next 2 years with AT&T?

Personally, I think ALL of the U.S. carriers -- but especially AT&T -- majorly screwed up releasing this device so late!! There are some very promising new devices whose release is imminent such as the HD2 and Moto Droid which are now on my radar screen, and both of these devices will have MUCH better specs than the TP2. I just don't get AT&T's logic, release a device that's already practically a year old (by European standards anyway) and give it nearly the exact same specs as the Fuze except for WM6.5, a better keyboard & speakerphone as well as a bigger screen. If I was in the executive driver's seat at AT&T, the Tilt 2 launch team would be fired!!! This phone should have either been released 6 months ago as-is, or released now with DRAMATICALLY improved specs, such as a 1GHz processor and 5 Megapixel camera. To release this phone now with a $300 price tag w/contract is insane!!!

You can get a TP2 from T-Mobile for $50 with a 2 year contract. That means you can pay the $50 equipment charge plus the $200 penalty and STILL pay $50 LESS than getting the phone on contract with AT&T.

Does anyone in these big corporations use their brains anymore???
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] srsaleenstang:
got mine monday Im really happy
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
I'm feeling very good about how the company I worked for purchased a Tilt 2 for me and handed it to me, with unlimited everything attached, all for no cost to me.

Other than that, the Tilt 2 is (IMHO) the most beautiful of the US TP2 versions.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Snowreaper:
Amazon has the tilt 2 for 149.00 with new contract or upgrade

http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Tilt-Wind..._27?ie=UTF8&s=wireless&qid=1256155669&sr=1-27
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] javahead76:
Notice that it is sponsored by AT&T? That must be AT&T's way of saying, "yea, we like the way that we pissed everyone off that bought an IPhone before we dropped the price $100 just days after it came out. Enjoy your new 2 year contract." I paid like $400 for my t-mobile branded with a one year contract and it's worth every penny to me. I doubt everyone will feel that way...I think I have AT&Taser-me-now-I-have-to-call-customer-service PTSD. Thank god they got rid of that automated receptionist phone system of theirs...just before a left. Hope they got their money back. (Automated voice say - "Thank you for calling AT&T, please randomly guess the words I want you to say".)

FYI, if some of you paid the extra $150, you may still be able to reneg on your contract and then sign up for the cheaper version of the same exact phone, I think they give you 2 weeks - 1 month (can't remember). Who knows, they might even be nice enough to just credit your account.

However, enjoy the phone. HTC hit a homer. These things are as sweet as ever!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] godefroi:
What, the ad for the AT&T-branded device is sponsored by AT&T? Egads, man, you've uncovered a massive conspiracy!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] javahead76:
Actually I added that at the end as an afterthought for clarity. Thanks peanut. Not everyone has the good fortune to be handed one of these things without forking over several large bills.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
what THE ****!???? iM SO PISSED...bASTARDS eh. Still happy with my purchase but truly are scumbags over at att
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Snowreaper:
Still 150+200 cancellation fee =350. $50 less than your $400 and cheaper still if you canceled in the first year. You will, would pay $650 if you canceled your t-mobile in the first year.

So really no matter what its a better deal, specially with the good people at XDA to liberate your phone from there service providing masters.

I'm just saying. I realize you hate AT&T and i'm no fan of them either. But a deal's a deal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
Fixed it for ya. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
no, i mean in the real world. out in the US the number of people that buy the phone for ONLY business use will be significantly outnumbered by the people who buy the phone for normal consumer use.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
The ONLY metric is an odd choice for measurement. I do understand that some people keep two phones, one for business and one for personal use, but I don't think it's not a business phone just because someone does double duty with it. Plenty of people (far exceeding 1%) will buy the TP2 in order to gain access to its business features even if that isn't the only thing they use it for.

The TP2 does have a lot of appeal to non-business users, but for its price tag, it also has a lot of competition in areas like multimedia. So the people who end up grabbing it over something else are probably going to also have a regular interest in its enterprise class features as well.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
aye.. a co-worker of mine was given a Tilt for as long as he works there. He pretty much replaced his old phone with it and uses it all the time. Why would anyone carry two phones when one phone will do the job of both? If anyone is using its business features, at any %, then they are pretty much using it as it was intended.

My for example, im getting it for both. Their some aspect that i want to use the multimedia part of it, and some i want to use the business part of it. Why i preferred it over the HD.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Aisorik:
I'm a college student, and most people I know with HTCs (android and winmo) use them as consumer devices. (Predominately texting and web browsing)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
how did this thread come down to how people use their phone...it does not matter how people use their phone, everyone is different so everyone use their phone differently...what set a business phone apart from a cell phone not much if you ask me...business phone difference u can read word and different types of docs and outlook and power point so on...cause setting appointment and gps and email any phone can accomplish that today...we just want these device for their horse power and sex appeal there is nothing wrong with that...i rely heavy on gps and calendar and email on my device xperia...just my opinion looks like the 24th (according to my att rep) will be the day we gonna get our business/sexy phone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
of august? eh.. im not holding my breath.. sides i put my order in to clove for an unlocked one.. now just gotta deal with their security and wait for it to come.. im expecting ill have it in like 1.5-2 weeks.. I know thats a long, but that means when it gets here sooner ill be happily surprised :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] irus:
To each his own but why would you get a device that has no 3g, I just cant Imagen a life without hspa or internet/phone at the same time.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
i would never hold my breath for ATT either plus august 24th is a long time to hld your breath...device will arrive when it arrive...of course sooner the better especially people holding on to a barely working Tilt and waiting for that upgrade...we can scream n holla but we all ATT will just look at it and do nothing...refurb fuze has been on their website for free for sometime now...i remember the refurb tilt was free a month or so before the launch the fuze as well...all sign looks good...im just waitin for the stars and moon to align right so ATT can just show us some picture of the actual device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
cause as ive said in other areas.. 1, 3g isnt even in my area and 2, wi-fi is everywhere here.. so im not worried about it..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] irus:
that makes sense
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] encore2097:
Any more rumors lately? I'm dying to use my upgrade or grab an unlocked US 3g version (if its released soon!).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
dont hold your breath on a version like that coming ever..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
check back in about 8 months.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I don't think we'll be seeing an unlocked 3G version. ever.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Justin241982:
If you all want ATT to stop totally destroying the sweet phones that HTC makes then boycott the bastards and deal without 3g till they get it right and stop being douche-bags. I mean seriously I could have waited and just held on to my fuze but after seeing only one picture of that fortress bull I bought it straight. 3g is nice and all but with as many members as we have there could be a very big dent in these peoples pocket when everyone buys beauty instead of whats forced on us by a panel of idiots who think they know what we want. I havent seen a good looking phone from att since the first release of the motorola Razor 2 V8 and that was motorola's design att just used it. So lets stop stepping in line to be sheered and utter some words besides Bahhh! Bahhh! and make them do what we want for a change. I talked to a rep from HTC recently and he is just as disgusted with Americanized versions of HTC's devices as I am The touch pro 2 is a freaking beautiful device, lets keep it that way!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Justin241982:
Sorry double post, Another sweet reason to buy straight from HTC, 10 or 15 dollar media net plan instead of 30 dollar pda plan cause there system cant recognize the device and they dont know what your doing 24/7 with your phone.:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
haha.. yea. ill be happy when mine gets here. ill be trotting around with the Touch Pro 2. I can walk by the AT&T stores when the they get their bastardized version of it and be happy for myself :D Even if that picture isn't even close.. I know ATT will mess it up one way or another, im sure alot of the bloat ware they put on it slows down the thing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Cheers for that,

Well said!!

Same case for me
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ktdan1:
As far as the bloat ware and the crappy ATT roms, that is the primary reason we have cooks here, they can take the best of all rom and create a flashable Rom that kick butt out of every one default version.

On the 3G side, why shell out $600 for a phone that only works in 2G land at best. For me 3G is manditory. This debate can go on forever maybe it should be on a thread by it self. Ya know "Buy Now 2G" or "Wait for 3G".

Now can we get back to the original thread how real is Aug 22 for ATT? Any Updates etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
ive explained why in several threads.. im just gunna put it in my sig...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
hahaha nice man that'll save you a lot of debating with ignorant people
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gramsey1911:
Just my two cents...

ATT doen't are how much we complain about it...I mean remember when everyone was going crazy about the Fuze...I mean they denied the fuze even the day before it came out...But here is my logic...The Fuze passed FCC in August 08 we got it November 08 that was a 2 month window so with the Fortress passing FCC at the end of June 09 then the end of August 09 seems very possible if any rom setbacks don't occur...We know those smartguys at ATT know how to make a great Rom. I hope the just release the phone and let it roll...NRGZ28 said he is ready just he has done with the Topaz
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Snowreaper:
Well i went back to my local ATT store and talked to someone new. The guy i spoke to said that WinMo devices in general weren't selling very well, and he let me know that at least for this store there are no WinMo phones coming this quarter.

Assuming the quarter ends in Aug could that mean a release date in Sept or Oct maybe?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
the phones could have been out months ago if the carriers didnt feel the need to change all the aesthetics.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xgm541:
not sure if i have already posted here but from my information, the tmobile tp2 will be released in mid august, and the att version will be a week or two ahead or after it therefore we are looking at early-late august for the att version so aug 24th sounds right.

as far as winmo not selling a lot, who is the guy at the store? manager or employee? no offense but some of these people have no idea what they are talking about, they are there to sell, did he by any chance mention to you that you should buy an iphone instead of winmo? last i heard, winmo is getting higher sales recently. maybe att IS in fact selling more iphones this month due to the gs coming out but that doesnt mean they wont release the tp2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xgm541:
sorry for the double post but the 2g over 3g debate interests me. edge speed (at least in ny) is around 200 kbps (bits not bytes). hsdpa or 3g speed it around 1300. for normal email/browsing edge is perfectly fine. you cant watch youtube or download huge files but with the drain on battery life, why would you want to be doing that anyway?

i am gona get the 3g att version cause my contract expired. but the non att version is fine. the only real benefit i can see is when you tether with edge, your ping is 400 while with 3g its less but unless you play online games it doesnt matter..
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
/agrees

and xgm541, they are likely either trained to say that, or make it up because ATT proly pays their employees more to sell the iPhone over any other phone, including winmo because they know they can lock people into a contract with the iPhone, where as other phone plans are more flexible.

Still waiting on mine.. think its flying over the pond as we speak. id loove to get it by friday, but im betting more on saturday/monday.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Snowreaper:
The guy was actually a gin soaked bum with one tooth. I thought he looked trustworthy and honest in his hobo chic. The way the tick stuck to his cheek i knew he was a friend of nature and the truth. j/k :)

No it was the asst manager, he seemed more knowledgeable than the first lady i talked to. He was very very sure that there were no WinMo phones being ordered this quarter. He used the phrase unbidden by myself, "Windows Mobile phones haven't been selling very well." he uttered. His gaze momentarily wandered to where the Fuzes used to be. I felt that this statement and his involuntary body language gave him a trust worthy bent to his nature. I believed!

You have to admit, the Fuze was a bust, the latest iPhone needs time to sell and and by all reports the TP2 gonna be expensive. Late August-Sept could be feasible, it would be back to school time and that's around the end of the quarter.

And no he never tried to sell me an iPhone.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
essentially, ATT employees are trained to not give away information like that until days before the launch. and that's if they even HAVE any info in the first place. I have friends that work at ATT stores, and after asking them if they know anything about it, they said no, because they aren't trained on the new phones until days before the phones launch. they even said that asst. managers don't know anything about that kinda stuff.

and as for WinMo phones not selling well, where is this guy getting his info from? he may not have tried to sell you an iPhone, but since the 3GS is the newest and best phone out for ATT right now,, I wouldn't be surprised if that was going to be the next topic he would have brought up with you.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Snowreaper:
Well you obviously have something set in your head that your not willing to change or let go.

I would assume that he's getting his info from the sales reports from his store and region. Also if you look in an ATT store you'll be hard pressed to find a WinMo or HTC device. I walked around the entire store and didn't see any WinMo phones. But you know more than ATT employees and i guess you know ATT's hw inventories at my local store so i suppose there's no point in discussing it with you. Maybe you don't understand when i said he wasn't trying to sell me an iPhone and didn't even come close to selling me an iPhone and since i told him i wanted to upgrade to the tp2 i don't think he was going to try and sell me an iPhone. Since you know so much tell me, when is it coming out in Denver USA?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
damn why the hostility? I was just saying that ATT employees don't know when phones are going to come out until days before the launch. and the thing I said about him trying to sell you an iPhone was a JOKE. sorry if I offended you mr. sensitive.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Aisorik:
No fair: http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=5767

From what little I've seen of the Fortress and Warhawk, there's no mention of a headphone jack. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] t-readyroc:
Ahhhh crap. Lucky bastids. Well, maybe, at least. For all we know (for sure) the AT&T version could come with two 3.5mm jacks. You know... just to one-up Verizon :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
any new news guys?? there's been a thread about the TP2 not coming to ATT...but I said it's going to come out for ATT, we just need to be patient. anyone find out anything new??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Alaxar:
USA 3G version TP 2

http://www.onthegosolutions.com

Rumor is HTC is releasing a USA 3G Touch Pro 2. If it actually happens who knows.

Keep an eye on the above site. They sell a USA 3G Touch Pro (not redone Fuze although they sell one also) so they might do the same for the TP2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=5976

the GSM TP2 will be getting a headphone jack, but the one in the aforementioned link is headed for Australia. but there's still time before AT&T's release, so maybe it'll get one last minute.

as for T-MO, everything seems pretty finalized...so it doesn't look like it'll be receiving one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaddyGoFast:
Wow, wonder what the latest is...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
considering nobody has even seen an actual AT&T Tp2 yet i would guess you have awhile to wait yet.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RodneyMnemonic:
i would - if they ever release the damn thing.

and don't f**k it up too badly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hamburg:
Dont pout just yet. The fortress/warhawk info that we've all seen is from about 6 months ago and there haven't been any other leaks since. The addition of the 3.5mm jack was just added about a month ago. As poppinpengawen said, there's still time...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Sizpak:
Verizon's TP2 has a 3.5 mm jack, so there is hope. However, theirs isn't scheduled to launch in Sept, so maybe August 24 is too early for ATT.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] petard:
The thing is all CDMA ones have the 3.5mm, and AT&T's, like Tmobile's, is based on the GSM one which doesn't have the port. I sure do hope they add it though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tkellytpa:
ATT Fortress maybe not.. take a look

Check out this pic...

ATT Tilt 2

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...spotted-again-this-time-with-atandt-branding/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] tkalli:
They changed the keyboard layout.

:(

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] encore2097:
Is there someone we can e-mail at ATT development saying, "You ****ed up a perfectly good keyboard layout."

Now I might just get the T-mobile version (or whichever version has a CTRL key)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jtoyz2:
have you used the Tilt, Fuze, or even the Xperia before?...of have you used the 5 row keyboard with numbers on top before...you shouldnt be so hard on the keyboard until you try it...its very easy i rather type numbers with one them than to reach to the top and using it...ATT layout makes it very easy to do math and text phone number...

i just dont want you to go go tmobile and grab a ugly ugly touch pro 2...to me atleast tmobile screwed up the most that thing is ugly...instead of people say wow thats the touch pro 2...you gonna get damn wtf is that that cant be the touch pro 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
I'm not in love with the color scheme, but TMobile's photos make it look less attractive than it really is. Have you seen it on video yet?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] javahead76:
One better. Just got to handle one of those bad boys in the local t-mo store. I thought the net pics of t-mobile's weren't so slick but it turned out to be better than expected. I still think the euro version pics are much nicer, as long as all that silver doesn't show more finger fudge than shine.

Also gotta say that I am not so impressed with the keyboard portion of the ATT version, according to the pic that showed up recently on the net. http://www.brighthand.com/shared/picture.asp?f=10780.

I think I'm gonna wait till Sept. 1 before making my purchase decision <- especially hard after having that baby in my hand.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Sizpak:
What would be the chances that the FN key does the same thing as the CTRL key, i.e. FN + C = copy, etc? Sorry for the stupid question. This would be my first "smart phone".
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] javahead76:
As far as my tilt is concerned, the function key doesn't perform like the windows control key functions. The directional pad with the shift key does work to highlight; you can do your highlighting that way, then touch and hold with your finger to cut, copy, and paste. I haven't played around with the original touch pro (TP) so I couldn't tell you there. I skipped that generation because I think my Tilt is better (personal opinion I know). Having played with the TP2, It feels truly like a next generation device. There were many software enhancements since my Tilt that I would guess the TP didn't even have (and that I can't get with ROM flashing as of yet). Anyone try that out?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] encore2097:
Yea the T-mobile version isn't all that stylish, but I prefer functionality over form. I could care less about how it looks if I'm constantly frustrated with input. The thing is with a WM smart phone I figured I could remote connect via SSH or RDP into servers and do a little management or coding at the spur of the moment, so having a standard layout is important to me. I mean SMS/MMS is right on the homescreen, its a touch screen so I fail to see the benefit of an "OK" button since in landscape mode you can still reach the screen with yours thumbs (but I guess some people just HAVE to send that text message as soon as possible).

No idea, but I guess there's always key-mapping.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sdlopez83:
Sooo. Has anyone heard of any news about the Aug 24 sale date? is it legit? Any other rumors. Does anyone even care lol. The amount of people not commenting should somewhat reflect on the ATT demand no?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] encore2097:
I think its doubtful ATT pays attention to this forum and the fact that a couple hundred people (maybe thousand) show great interest in this phone is very small compared to the hundreds of thousands or even millions of people with other phones. This is a very niche phone and I think a September release is more likely from the rumors.