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[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] askwhy:
We need to keep things moving forwards, and 6.1 would be moving backwards.

Business implies efficiency, and a well tuned/configured 6.5 (like NRGZ's) knocks the socks off of any 6.1 setup for interface efficiency. The menus are really that much better. Besides, 6.5 will continue to be patched and updated for increased performance and it will certainly become the focus of a great deal of application development. Stick with 6.5, oh yeah.

How to achieve stability? Consider using the stock dialer -- Tachi is nice but seems to have some conflicts with various applications and overlays, or whatnot when calls come in. Not entirely what I would call rock solid stable or business friendly. Sadly, as much as I enjoy the TouchFLO interface, I do get the feeling it's also less than rock solid -- not that I personally mind -- but for the sake of general ROM stability, maybe it should be left out of the business version. Just don't ditch your 'Standard' install-- it's wicked good.

As for programs, configuration, and bells & whistles -- consider keeping most of your applications in, they don't take up much room, and they certainly aren't wasting system resources if they aren't getting used. Your current setup is obviously geared for performance, but pre-configuring even a handful of battery saving options might help set people straight right out of a fresh flash -- lowering the backlight, disabling the haptic stuff, etc.

Maybe re-organize the Start Menu's root to keep common workday apps on-hand. I love having Reset & Total Commander in the root, but they aren't really needed during the workday if the phone is stable -- maybe the backlight link too -- you could free up some room for things like Google Maps, Opera, etc. and still keep the root menu quick and tidy.

Anyways, that is probably way more than you needed to hear from me so I am gonna stop there...NRGZ you do some fine work and the current 'magic' build really lives up to its name for me, I hardly have to touch a thing after flashing...you cooked it just how I like it (Grandma aint got nothing on you).
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] tman1425:
^^^^^^^That's what I meant to say:D Very well put and I couldn't agree more.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] xmckinzie:
I can't agree with most of this. Of course this is just an opinion, just like any others. But 6.1 is not moving backwards. Business implies stability and usability as well. The type of stability that you rebuked when you said "6.5 will continue to be patched." Or maybe when you mentioned "[it] will certainly become the focus of a great deal of application development."

Should a "business" ROM be a playground for personal enjoyment, a testing ground for developers trying to create apps for the next level WM ROM? Or should it be a proven ROM like one of NRG's final versions? Sure, I could just flash his last 2.0 ROM and use it, but NRG has a way of continuing to develop and tweak something far past perfection.

I don't mean to be rude, but I do think this is a conversation worth having. Besides, NRG will do what he wants with it...and I will use it for business any way.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] warri:
NRG, you never cease to Amaze me with amount of work and cooking you do here on XDA. A Business Line ROM would be AMAZING, Stable, functional, and beautiful. I am curious as to what interfaces you plan on using weather you are going to cook spb mobile (very business looking imo), titanium, or Tf3d. But I will support and test what ever you need.

Good Luck, and I am sure it will be a great success just like all your other Energy ROM Lines.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
I would be a big, big, big, big, big fan of a ROM like this, to be clear I would use it, install it on a bunch of the WinMob devices my company uses and donate money (again!) to NRGZ28. All of the items listed in the poll would be big pluses, I would suggest the Energy ROM load out plus finger kbd and the all the apps currently in the ROM (keep the htc stuff) all the enterprise stuff and security stuff. I would stick with 6.5 and TF3D2 (with 2.5 stuff as you can). Those kinds of apps are a big hit in my office (I usually install via cabs for coworkers).
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aro:
I use V3 Magic as business rom

Hi NRG,

I use your latest Magic in daily business, just with some small modification to your standard set-up.

My changes to your Magic rom to make it business for me:

- remove total comm, reset, and backlight from the start root

- remove games from start menu (i never play games on my business phone)

- move calender, tasks, messaging, notes, world card into the office mobile start menu folder

- i use plain black today/manila background

What I'd like to improve but can't:

- Your rom is super fast, as it is tuned for perfomance, but that dries my battery in less than one working day. This is a big minus for my business use.

- TF3D2 and Tachi dialer still have a lot of bugs. Maybe I have to get myself a WVGA phone to not being dependend on VGA ports. Unfortunatly there is currently no WVGA device out there, that I would consider as a real step forward from the Touch Pro.

- I would like to set my company logo as boot screen and start menu icon, but I am too lazy to research how to do it.

As much I am lookinf forward every of your new releases, I personally do not need a special "business" rom from you.

Just keep up your good work with the rom line-up you already have out there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] hunwa:
all i can say is HELLS YEAH
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] drtolson:
I second this... The current ROM's you provide look very professional and are entirely suitable for around the office. I quite happily show off my NRG 3.0 'Magic' phone to co-workers and executive, who are amazed at what a non-Blackberry phone can do. <Sorry, we're still a bit 'backward' here in Canada>

If you want to develop a new line of ROM's please don't let us stop you, but I do prefer the full throttle Energy line.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] chuggz18:
I agree with these opinions, there isn't much left to do to your ROMs that would make them better. If stability and usability is a concern, the only thing I would say is get rid of the Tachi (Tai-Chi? lol! :)) dialer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Stalix:
yeah battery life is a much. I really love your latest magic series, but its a battery killer.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] patcat007:
Business ROM

Here's what I would Vote for the Business ROM

a) Keep the Eye-Candy & the tweaks you had in your old WM 6.1 ROMS the same Icons/Folders that you have(Love them). Snobordiniste Task bar icons and M6 TaskBar, Giannis86 black Task Bar Icons if possible

b)Get the the new build WM 6.1 from the ATT 5.11 and build on that version

c) Definitely TF3D and not TF3D2

d) HTC phone Canvas and not Tachi Dialer

e) Blackberry Connect as optional Cab or cooked in

f) GPS fast lock ins

g) Performanced optimised for good Batterylife

h) Good Speaker Phone performance

This would make an ideal ROM for business for me

If only one could cook, we depend on your cooking so that there's food on our flashing table. See what you can do.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] eudaemonic:
productivity

Hi NRG, I just want to put my 2 cents in, FWIW.

I am not scared of the stylus. I don't need everything to be finger friendly. I prefer to have things at a glance, rather than at my fingertips - so I'd like to vote for the Today Screen with some good freeware apps. Hard to knock Today Agenda, if that could be used...

I like all the communication functions to be responsive and stable. I don't think Tachi dialer is worth the resources. Id like a simple WM dialer with your wallpaper.

Id love to see a shortcut to My Documents in the Start Menu, as well.

I could deal with 6.1 I guess, but I think there have been some really good builds of 6.5 that are stable enough. I don't see why a buisness version needs to be cooked for each new build... stick with the devil you know.

How comprehensive can you get with freeware backup software? Id like to hear some discussion about that as well.

Thanks for your work!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] player911:
I love your roms and find them very fast and stable. For a business edition, I would ditch the black theme (although cool) and go with something a little more windowish. maybe blue or green.

I like having all messaging, calendar, notes, etc in the "Office" folder.

I know you use the HTC Menu Enhancements and such, but perhaps kill those.

I use my roms for business purposes and the only HTC apps I use in WM6.5 is the dialer (latest 5.11 Raph dialer, not tachi, but personal preference), Volume control, X-Button, and maybe the Comm Manager.

The notification manager is iffy. I use it to dismiss all notifications at once but I have been unable to skin the background to better match the theme.

There are also a lot of programs to install/uninstall some of the HTC customizations. There are also a lot of apps like Youtube, Opera, and Zip app that I don't use. Personally I don't even use the included file manager as I use Resco (which I know is not free).

I don't use Manila either. Just the plain WM6.5 Chrome Homescreen. I find it faster and less hassle to work with.

I love your roms, but are a little too bloated for me (I like them pretty basic) which would better suit a "business" class rom. I would say I would exlude about 1/3 of the apps in the start menu.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ignisfatuus:
business means stable and good battery time!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] xep624:
Well... I disagree. I don't get the titanium surface and love TF3D2. In my opinion it's much more intuitive and way faster!

But - because of the TouchPro has enough memory, it's easy to deactivate TF3D :-)

@ NRG:

I like your idea, but: Your last EnergyRom is absolut stable, it has all necessary software and looks great. There are only one thing, that is "not business" imho: The blue-pink-Wallpaper-Energy-style. A more restrained black or white style would be more "business". The rest is quite perfect!

Things that would be great are software-implications and that's impossible: A Dictionary for example, pre-installed push pages in TF3D for dictionary, wikipedia etc.

The iPhone showed everyone, that even business-users like to play with their phones. So it doesn't seem clever to delete software compared to your actual EnergyRoms.

just my 2 cents :-)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] dwmackay:
I use my Touch Pro as a business phone. In fact, at the end of the day, I don't take a breifcase or PC home, just my phone. All of my business files are there as well as email etc... If the ROM does not work well with ActiveSync, that is a deal killer.

As for the interface, I prefer titanium over TF3D. I like to "tap" rather than "slide" because it is quicker and more predictable for me.

For me it is more about setup than anything else. I want quick, easy and consistent access to my applications. My main business apps are:

email

Agenda Fusion

Lygea 12c calculator

CoPilot Live GPS

OneNote

Excel

GoToMyPC

I usually take the ROMS posted on XDA and rearrange the apps in the startmenu with total commander. For example, Calendar and Tasks are business apps, not System tools. I use the old SPB Shell 2.0 and the MyMenu feature. It is very clean and predictable; 9 apps per page always right in the order you want. I map [My Menu] to the PTT button so that I can get to any app in 1 button without the stylus. The new SPB 3.0 Shell looks good, but is not as business friendly, because you cannot set the location of apps in My Menu, thay just seem to appear randomly and you have to hunt for them every time; not productive.

Everything else is just gravy. I use AeButton plus so that I can program buttons to launch the most frequently used apps. One thing that would be nice is to see a ROM without the PTT mod that makes that button not work with AeButton. With every ROM out there, I can program PTT with 2 limited functions through Start>settings>Personal>Buttons. Using a Stock ROM, I can make a couple of registry tweaks and use AeButton Plus to program 4 functions including launching any individual file.

I am not that hung up on the dialer because I use IneSoft Phone 5 to replace my system dialer (not too pretty, but very easy and productive). If I had to pick, go stock and skip the troublesome Tachi Dialer.

Other than that, just the usual; speed, stability & battery life.

Take a look at Timolol's ROM. It is a great business ROM with no frills.

Doug M.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] askwhy:
I agree this is something that needs discussion, so let's keep it going...

Neither a 'playground' nor a 'testing ground' is what I would hope for in a choice to keep 6.5 -- just the more updated interface which many don't feel they could ever go back from -- 6.5 instantly increased my phone-related business productivity the very day I first flashed it. Considering NRG'z recent builds have been 6.5, and considering all the new functionality (not talking bells & whistles) it brings to the table, how is 6.1 not moving backwards?

I think someone at the top of their game like NRG should help us move 6.5 towards becoming a proven ROM. I also think he can do it.

Many of us already use Energy 3.0 for business even including TF3D, and it's fantastic. It seems to me that it needs only the smallest nudge here and there to become a streamlined business ROM. But as you say, these are all just opinions, and the one that really counts belongs to NRG...

I really do love the 'Magic' standard ROM for my own Onsite IT service business, but I look forward to seeing what comes of this...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] HalcYoN-Fuze:
I would love a cleaned up 6.5 ROM to run SPB Mobile Shell. I find to cover most of the "business" needs but still giving me custom panels to use for personal stuff hidden in the left and right swiped screens.

I am currently running NATF's 4.7 for stability's sake. It is working well, battery life improving with periodic soft resets, but I miss 6.5's more finger friendly nature. Certianly all of the Office aps and World Card (a favorite app for showing off in meetings). Fast GPS settings, Google Maps, Comm Mgr with 3G toggle, MSVC, Live Search, Touch In-Call Screen Tweak, ringers that don't suck, nice black theme, touch response for no look checks and a dialer that works well with the lock screen.

Hopefully, not too much to ask. I have thought of cooking my own, but I know I would miss something...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] xmckinzie:
I currently use the Magic as standard for my business ventures as well. I currently use Titanium and find it to be a great interface w/ lots of choices for plugins thanks to the xda community.

My main issue with 6.5 is the fact that with every new build comes new problems. I always get the latest because I like to see what has been enhanced, improved, or just changed. If 6.5 becomes the business ROM of choice...some of the older builds were more dependable. Energy 060109 was my favorite.

My argument against 6.5 is this...

TF3D2 is too reliant on a complete port and Tachi (or some other ported) dialer. Tachi is unreliable.

6.5 Lockscreen is great, but it totally screws with incoming phone calls whether you are using the native 6.5 dialer, our original dialer, or the Tachi.

The more and more I look in to this I am swaying more towards 6.5...just not one of the current builds. Not something that needs updated every time a new build on that tree comes out.

As another note, I do agree with some others about the dark colors...but this is NRG's ROM and he can use his theme if he wants. I sometimes revert to the Classic Blue depending on my mood.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Hemant:
I completely agree with the above posts and i think your current roms are quite business oriented and fast. Only change i would like to make is please make the battery drain a little less then we can atleast go through a days of usage which will be about 50 emails through exchange, about 10 calls and 10 sms and some internet browsing. The only thing i currently i find is when i am on a business trip and using the above setup the battery lasts for only 10 hours.

We really appreciate and thank your wonderful work on Raphael roms. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] st@r$k!:
I've been w8ing 4 this for a long time..

May the Force Be With You, NRG!!

:p

My suggestions are like this:

{

-6.5 or 6.1 (when I tried 6.5 last time,it was your 2009-06-30 build 23001 TF3D1 and it was faster than the 1.0 2009-04-16 version I'm using right now,because it has virtually no bugs -> 6.5 lock,rofl)

}

- faster than every ROM you've ever cooked:)

- the best battery life EVER:)

- nice gfx but everything has to be readable

- disabled (if it'll be making problems) lock function or some tweak to disable it (if it's possible)

- needed apps like PIM backup,OfficeMobile,AdobeReader,WorldCardMobile etc.

- and please,do not use those crazy tachidialers >no video calling,for example -use the older one,you've been using before tachi,with slider

PS: If you'll be making more versions of this ROM,don't forget to include TF3D1 version:)

Good Luck, mister and master chef!:cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] corepda:
Your 2.0 ROM's gives business look nevertheless. But I think Stability & Power should be given an edge now, as its important for us to look at this very basic need of TP which gets highly marginalized because of shorter battery. I suggest you to continue with your style & apps, its just that you need to put more power efficieny+stability

With these features on, Energy would go a long way in capturing Raphael ROM market.

Moreover all these things I think can't be there w/o WM6.1 which seems better than the adventurous WM6.5 builds.

Cheers

Saksham Katyal
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sharavan21:
+1

Stability and Battery Life Matters a lot
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Haspels:
Never change a winning team

:rolleyes: I'm very satisfied with Energy ROM 3.0.

It has everything it needs and for business I add some apps like PI, listPro, Pocket Mindmap and Phonebuddy. Since these aren't exactly freeware:mad:, no addition to the current ROM would improve my (already high) appreciation of the Energy ROM as being professional.

I decided to stick with this ROM for a while (going cold turkey on my flash-addiction :D )
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] skotch:
My main wish would be to have the switch to landscape (and back) from text or email to as fast and glitch free as possible. I want to be able to slide it open write a quick note during a meeting and slide it back and be sure all worked as it should. Too often it hangs and the display is off so I can't easily tell what happened to the message I sent...

That you for the great ROMs you have been making!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] vizovizo:
looking forward to flash that ROM :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bluehose:
I am looking forward for Energy ROM 4 Business !

Just one thing which is no.1 for me - please throw out Manilla !

We are using like 30 pieces of Raphael and no one likes Manilla when thinking of business usage. Our people are using Raphael like 80% for e-mail communication and rest for calling etc. Manilla is horrible when comes to e-mail messaging - this envelop thing is blocking like 50% of preview, when sometimes just preview is enough for users to know if they have to react immediately or e-mail can wait.

Our users like HTC Home much (shame there is no an official VGA version) or just clean today screen - to see task and no of unread e-mails. Right now we end up with stock rom, just disabling manilla.

Thanks for thinking about business users !
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bygaudio:
Sounds like a great idea, the 3.0 version has been very good so far.

If you do a business ROM, as mentioned earlier, it would be nice to have Office Communicator Mobile included.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...B7-98E9-47E5-AA63-EB17C2CE4592&displaylang=en
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] m0nkm0nk:
Looking forward to it!

ps, plz keep bubblebreaker in it :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] drake2007:
Tappable phone links

I always use this for work.

For some reason on WM Professional devices this is not enabled. When you add a phone number on a calendar invitation which could be a conference call

i.e: 1-800-333-3333 the number is not tappable this is counter productive, because normally I receive lots of meetings from colleagues including conference call numbers. If I am in the road driving I only need to click on the phone number (NOT memorize it) and then the phone dials it for me. This doesn't work on the current 6.1 or 6.5 ROM. Energy or Stock

It will be nice if this is corrected.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] bygaudio:
Yes bubblebreaker is an essential long meeting business application!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] danielfeng:
God, I need it, NOW! :D:D:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] seemles:
Awesome!!!

Anything From your Kitchen is welcome at my table!:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Crake_cz:
I think, that biz rom should be based on WM6.1 - but your roms were always very good.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] GJAman:
Please make it a WM 6.1 ROM! :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] NeoID:
I couldn't agree more! But wm6.5 is in my opinion unstable itself, would prefer wm6.1... :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] kc1:
Hi - this is a good idea, I agree with the previous comments about battery life being important.

My vote is for stock:

-dialer

-calendar

- IE

- calculator

- title bar icons

- black background

Plus:

- Opera

- MS Office

- Adobe reader

- Dual sim support (for roaming)

- Google maps

- Bluetooth toggler (getting in/out of a car)

- Toggle for reducing Clock Speed to improve battery life

- Some kind of support for importing email account settings that is simpler than Sashimi

- gmail app shortcut (for when the standard htc

- NoData (just to be sure when you're roaming)

- cleanRAM

Some 'standard' tweaks to improve performance (mine!)

- inbox extender (mark all as read)

- disable clear type

- screen > text size > small

- something to change the 2 soft keys on the home page

It would be good if there was something that:

- confirmed SMS delivery in the same way as SonyEricsson phones (i.e. icon changes, without a separate confirmation message in your inbox)

- made powerpoint page transitions a bit smoother when hooked up to a projector

I don't know whether removing these would enhance performance, but in the years I've owned HTC phones I have never used:

- camera / HTC album

- music

- 'People' / favourite contacts

- opera widgets

- HTC calendar tab (useless)

- HTC photos & videos tab

- HTC programs tab

- capsure

- world card

- g-config

- PIM Backup (not necessary with google sync instead)

- pocketRAR

- TotalCommander

- hTorch

- OZAction

- FieldTest

- Email Wizard

- capSure

- managed programs

- external GPS

- Smart Lock

- the new HTC wifi skin/interface

- mp3 trimmer

- facebook

- steaming media

or tweaks that adjust...

- touch response

- sms threaded.unthreaded

- g-sensor

- Long Press Endkey

Thanks in advance for any of these - hope this helps
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sridhar618:
What a super idea....stability is of greatest importance in the business use. Keep it simple with the essential apps needed for business i.e. adobe, pim backup and pocket rar. I would not care for gps, radio, maps, alarm, jazzed up dialers/contacts etc. Simple yet powerful with the addition of a good battery life.