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[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Get it through your skull. THERE IS NO TREND. Even if there was, it would be one perpetuated by idiots and feeding on people's stupidity.

I am tired of repeating the facts over and over. Here is what I have noticed when debating with apple fanboys. Points from the "Apple fanboy handbook":

Step 1 - State half-truths or pure lies / if proven wrong go to step 2

Step 2 - Deny everything your opponent says / if that doesn't work go to step 3

Step 3 - State that you don't need the features/hardware the iPhone lacks. "I don't need copy and paste!!! It is stupid and nobody will use it!!!." After the feature is implemented say how great it is, that you use it every day and how revolutionary it is, despite being a normal feature that phones had in 1999.../ if proven wrong go to step 4

Step 4 - Insult the other gay with every negative word/phrase you know. / if that doesn't work go to step 5

Step 5 - Pick something irrelevant, off topic, senseless, stupid and difficult to quantify/prove. EXAMPLE - IPHONE IS A TREND.

Some of those steps can be skipped. You are obviously on step 5. You have no arguments, no defensible position, no facts, no logic. You are running in circles around a SUPERBLY IRRELEVANT AND POINTLESS argument that the iPhone is a trend or w/e. That only shows that you cannot accept the facts and the truth about that outdated crappy device. Don't be stubborn. Act like a grown up and intelligent person and admit it.

If you feel somehow threatened with degradation by admitting the truth, then don't try to defend that piece of crap phone in the first place. I am sure that you know how pathetic and useless it is, but feel compelled by some kind of fake apple loyalty or whatever to defend it. Don't. Be reasonable.

Also, if I read the word "trend" one more time during the years I have on this planet, my head will explode.

I am not going to reply to any more fanboism. Learn your facts and tech or don't post. Back on topic now.

Logic and facts are petty insults? Right....

Indeed :D.
[XPERIA X1 General] Dr.Sid:
Gee dudes, stay on topic.

Estimating the screen size based on fact that it is 3.5 mm jack .. and I came out with perfect 100mm diagonal (3.94 inch).

Which is .. about the size of Palm T5. Yay !

I spect this to be 320x480 resolution though. AFAIK there is no Android with WVGA known yet. With this screen and processor, it should be no problem.

This beauty is firmly in my sights.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
What did you use? The Photoshop ruler? I came out with something like 3.87.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
I am not irrelevant. You said iPhone is not a trend. I explain to you that your meaning of trend is wrong. I agree that the iPhone sucks. Now do you understand?

And why in the world are you implying/stating that I am an Apple Fanboy with all that Fanboism crap. I don't own an iPod, iPod speakers, iPhone, iPod Touch, not even a macbook.
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
im about ready to start a new thread "XPERIA RACHAEL..first thread abandoned due to childplay"

anywho... a real question somewhat on topic.. how exactly does one "stumble upon" internal docs and pics?... i think it's a load of shat imho...

now i'm sure that jobs being on the line and what not .. not just anyone is going to put their nice SE salary on the line to leak pics and specs.... but what if we could Train an Insider! whoose sole purpouse was to rise in the ranks of SE and reveal their dirtiest secrets!! muwahaha!!

ok but seriously... having a WM xperia and Android xperia release at the same time would be so super awesome i don't think i'd be able to contain myself by just picking one or the other... i'd HAVE to buy both... (how's that for fanboyism!)
[XPERIA X1 General] mesaboogie:
Seriously.

I came over to learn something about the new Xperia and ended up finding a pointless discussion about the iPhone... I wish a mod would clean up this thread.

Hope this gets back on track.

Cheers
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
LOL "The Departed" much ? :D

I am a firm believer that all the leaks, blurry cam pics, docs etc. are leaked by the companies themselves in order to probe the public opinion :).
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
i own the movie! and though i wasn't thinkin it... thats exactly what i mean!

i think there are less scandolous ways of doing it.. but alas... what big corporation isn't scandolous?

i hope for REAL NEWS soon!

until then... i'll go to sleep tonite dreaming of the endless blurry pics and "possibilities" and mock-ups and blue prints and ... omg i think i just wet my pants a lil :eek:
[XPERIA X1 General] Dr.Sid:
I counted pixels in XnView and then did the math. The jack is 10 pixels, I guess the error will be under 10%. So 3.87 sounds good. Actually my 3.97 is a bit too much in my opinion.
[XPERIA X1 General] xperiance:
Many of the other news items about the leak are listing it as a 4 inch display. Not sure where the original info came from for that.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
4 inch would be awesome.

P.S. In before "That's what she said"...............
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=177537&start=4935

:)
[XPERIA X1 General] Dr.Sid:
Whoa .. what kind of resolution is this ? The picture is 485px × 864px. :confused:
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
the above pic is super gorgeous... i followed your link... to the esato board... found a link to a super horrible video.. not just in quality ... but in content :( that is to say if it's real... it shows a n x2 vulcan in the wild... being booted up and played with... which is amazing ill give it that... but.... seeing the processor still being the same as the x1 my heart sank .... i literally almost chucked my laptop across the room.... please sony tell us this is bull****... show us what you've got in store for us...and plz oh plz make it be a faster damn processor! AT LEAST!
[XPERIA X1 General] xperiance:
The image also has a header and a red border. Remove those and you get 480x845, which leads one to believe the resolution really is WVGA.
[XPERIA X1 General] Dr.Sid:
Yes .. the movie behind that link has this resolution. Still it is strange resolution. WVGA is usually 800x480 (as X1 has). But I have no problem with that.

Btw. is it me or is XDA real slow ?
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
OK WOW!!! THE UI VIDEO IS UP ON ENGADGET AND IS GETTIN SWEEEET REVIEWS... i gotta say if its real.. it'll be a GREAT rival on HTC!
[XPERIA X1 General] spikegotti:
this is also labeled as XPERIA so what should we expect from this? :confused:
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
well I hate the fact that all these top bars with icons

look identical to iPhone.

why can't they introduce something ORIGINAL??!!
[XPERIA X1 General] xperiance:
"Identical", really? Aside from the fact that it's not "identical", there are simply icons in common (in common with all phones). How else would you display the battery, time and signal strength? Would reversing the order be "original" enough for you?
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Haha. What are you talking about?

I talk about a general design and feel and details too...

Look at this bar in WM 6.1 and compare this to UIQ 3.0.

Cannot be mixed.

Now Android one look like iPhone clones.

That's obvious.
[XPERIA X1 General] xperiance:
OMG! White font! Battery icon on the right! OMG, Sony is in bed with Apple!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] spikegotti:
aint all of sony ericsson's battery icons are on the top right? been this way before apple iphone was even thought of, i think its sexy but the ui is a turn off, i love the sense ui on the htc hero
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
wow good eye.. didn't see this before you pointed it out...

engadget's still calling it KIKI... so the kiki xperia? wtf does that mean?

and it certainly doesn't appear to be a smartphone of any sort?

so a xperia for the mass market? i'm so confused now!
[XPERIA X1 General] ov3rkill:
Wow, Sony Ericsson's got a lot of cellphones up their sleeves.

There's still the rumored X2, now we have Xperia Rachael, and of course the Satio. The latter is not in the Xperia series but it's still cool though.

Anyway, here's more update about the Xperia Rachael.

http://technewsreport.co.cc/sony-er...and-ui-video-leak-out-kiki-comes-for-the-ride

video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwcVlF5EUM

from the article

http://blog.se-nse.net/useb-exclusive-rachael-ui-demo-video/

Judging from the video, it looks like it's using TouchFlo 3D. xD

Anyway, hopefully we get official announcement on this gadget.
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
this link goes nowhere

video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UwcVlF5EUM

from the article

http://blog.se-nse.net/useb-exclusive-rachael-ui-demo-video/

why post a link to the vid twice?

and i highly doubt thats touchflo3d.. we already know rachael's gonna be on android... it's obviously a custom UI .. nothing like touchflo at all really
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
This is the KIKI SE phone. Has nothing to do with the Xperia brand except the fact that they appeared in the same video.

LOL. iPhone didn't invent those... :D.

This is KIKI. Different phone. No relation to Xperia. You can see it here:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/04/rumored-sony-ericsson-kiki-handset-isnt-a-boring-one/
[XPERIA X1 General] xperiance:
And the fact that the phone *says* XPERIA on the back.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I haven't seen any official confirmation for this. If it is from the Xperia brand, then it is not from the X line like the X2 and X3. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] spikegotti:
so which xperia line would it be from?
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
In reality, no one has seen any confirmation for anything. ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] ipporek:
Oh! The Rachael has a cover for the USB port! Sigh... why doesn't the X1 have that...
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
no ****.. it's bad enough we don't even get a decent case selection.. well.. that i like anyway.. it's so hard to keep that damn thing clean..
[XPERIA X1 General] VelikiMeshtar:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_rachael_confirmed_ui_shown_on_video-news-1011.php
[XPERIA X1 General] rogatsby:
That is so beautiful. I'm getting one the day it comes out.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
if the pics are real, which they almost are this is indeed a xperia branded phone which would mean it will be a x line as sony only have one xperia line.

x - xperia

w - walkman

c- cypershot

and so on
[XPERIA X1 General] spikegotti:
thanks Ganondolf, i just needed some clarification bcos i always thought it was the way you pointed it out to be

am i the only one to notice that the video length of the ui is 1:38 secs and the time on the ui never changes? :confused:
[XPERIA X1 General] ratchetnclank:
Same :D:cool:
[XPERIA X1 General] xperiance:
... in 2011.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
IMO it's just an UI visualisation.
[XPERIA X1 General] Jasand:
Now im not one to buy a phone based on specs or even UI,

If it looks damn nice ill buy it and worry about everything else after, it might be a flaw of mine but jees with that thing in my pocket I dont care what the UI or specs are.

Lets just hope there is not such a balls up with the release.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
As always ;).

I always thought that the X in the Xperia X1 defines a different line in the Xperia brand. Like Xperia Z1, Xperia K1 and Xperia whatever1.
[XPERIA X1 General] £thereal:
guys i found this on gsm arena

don't know its true or not but mostly gsm arena is a good and reliable source to me , it has a video simulation of device if its real this phone will be next for me!!!

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_rachael_confirmed_ui_shown_on_video-news-1011.php
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
it is possible that the x2 will be the wm phone and the rachael will be the xperia A1 and the kiki would be xperia ?1.

we will have to wait and see, i think originally it was going to be x1 - x2 - x3 and so on but if they bring out rachael as a x3 no one would buy a x2 as it would seem to be a lower model
[XPERIA X1 General] spikegotti:
somehow i got a feeling the kiki is some kinda touch sensitive gadget, i can picture a phonepad lighting up under the bronze area :)
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Agreed.

I think that is the general idea and someone at Engadget suggested it as well.
[XPERIA X1 General] randy_c:
Oh........Mama :eek:
[XPERIA X1 General] avexdevil:
if anything...the rachael will definitely cost less than the x2...

SE are playing all their smartphone cards now...ala samsung they have so much variety in their smartphone range alone...
[XPERIA X1 General] hezz05:
Screw the X2, this device is incomprehensibly sexy and doesn't run WinMo! Either this or the HTC Hero are going to be my next device. All depends on the UI for me though. I've only seen pre-rendered UI video of Rachael.

That would be perfect for me actually, since my T-mobile X1 contract is for 2 years.
[XPERIA X1 General] axjiii:
Well this looks like Sony Ericsson design it.

That X2 prototype looks like Nokia design it in 80's.
[XPERIA X1 General] achmed20:
not sure but i believe that this is NOT the final version of teh x2 design.

well i dotn realy care. my next smartphone is going to be android anway.
[XPERIA X1 General] lp640:
Tempted to get that ??? Im tempted to get the new Satio thats gonna release in October. with 12mp camera but runs Symbian S60.

(BTW I just got my Xperia X1 like 3 wks ago or less and I do plan on getting a Satio as soon as it comes out lol)
[XPERIA X1 General] ivo34:
Se Rachael

I only can say on Rachael...WOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!!!!!!!This is My next device!!!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] -mattx-:
Rachel is nuts... I mean the phone... It's supposed to be X5, or so I read, and is scarily higer speced then the x1. 1ghz processors in windows fones will be norm very soon.

But at the end of the day, there is and will only be one X1!!@@@ :D:cool:

ie: I won't be upgrading ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] mkdeveloper:
X2, Rachael, x5, wtf???

I`m a little confused right now about all that stuff thats been going on in here. X1 is obviously outdated and through a friend I know that it`s often slow when swapping between panels. However, SE finally made some efforts in publishing some official stuff on developer world - though a bit old already.

However, it says that this Xperia X2 is going to come sometime in Q4 this year, so worth waiting, I`d say ;-) especially because it comes with a new SDK that apparently enables panelizing of all other kinds of apps (e.g. j2me to panels).

Anyhow, way to go, I`d say. Wanna see how easy it is or if it`s worth waiting for the even later to-be-released actual Rachael which should run on Android (though they should really consider making things clear about it since everybody`s talking bout it anyways).

Guys whoever works with the panelizer, pls do let me know how well it worked!

thanx much in advance!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Bye bye little Rachael, here comes the mighty DRAGON...

engadget.com/2009/10/05/htc-dragon-android-device-surfaces-in-firmware-build-could-pack/
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
HTC never :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
for those getting confused the x5 is now the xperia pureness.

the reason i know this is fact is because when the sent the xperia pureness to the fcc to be tested, they gave some documents in pdf form and on the top of one it calls the unit the xperia x5.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I believe that the Pureness (stupidest name ever, EVER!!!) will be Xperia line, ut not X series. It doesn't fit the bill.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
officially its not part of the x line. but it seems that awhile ago when we were hearing about a x3 and x5 that was the units in question.

x2 - valcun - officially xperia x2

x3 - Rachael - official name not released (wont be part of the x line)

x5 - kiki - officially xperia pureness
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
There has not been even one official link between the X5 with those other two names. We cannot just conjure stuff up.

Plus, Kiki does not fit the X specifications. SE have said repeatedly that it is about high-end, cutting edge tech, all-in-one pocket pc phones/smartphones with spectacular design. Kiki is not even one of those. It is ugly and has nothing to offer. If they put it in the X line, they are going against their own words.

I wouldn't put such behaviour past SE, but I don't believe it to be true.

We will have to wait and see, I guess :).
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
it is not part of the x line anymore but the pre official name was x5 before or after or at the same time as the kiki name was used. they have now changed it so that its not part of the x range as they will also do with rachael when it is released.

the proof is in the tec spec doc that SE sent to the fcc for testing. i will try and find the link for u.

ps. i only work with facts. ;)

link:

https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1179539&native_or_pdf=pdf

page 3. at the top it says "Sony Ericsson X5"
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I see what you mean. They just put a random name for the testing and stuff ad decided to put an "X" this time lol.

About the X3. If they decide to kick it out of the X series I will be the happiest person in the world. Having different lines for the WinMo and Android Xperia phones would be extremely convenient for the users.
[XPERIA X1 General] hezz05:
If the X should stand as a brandname for highquality smartphones, an android phone shouldn't be excluded.
[XPERIA X1 General] XuMEPA:
Hi, guys!

Anybody have the idea how to flash above device ?

Hm.. I realy have X3 (X4 specified in the Info, but it is X3 for sure), and it have ALFA-version something like Android OS 1.6 Donut... And X3 in this version of software have many glitches. Many many many :) So, it is hang in the stand by mode (usually - in time of power operation: after compete of charge, or when the battery is discharged).
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
the xperia is the brandname for the high quality phones. the x line is just the x1 and x2.

the former x5/kiki is now xperia pureness and the x3/rachael will be called xperia *********.

3 separate lines
[XPERIA X1 General] randolph2000:
that's what we've said on X1.. :D beautiful and fast.. and more disappointment:p
[XPERIA X1 General] Vegito168:
The X1 and X2 sure do belong in the high-end phones category, and I also believe that the X3 Rachael should stay in the same general category, despite the fact that is has Android. The X3 IMO can't be excluded completely from the X line. It will definitely be top notch competition for any and or all Android devices so far. I would definitely consider buying the X3 just to have Android, even though I am a WinMo fan. Variety is what I like. I don't mind have more than one phone. Also IMHO, the Xperia pureness for us WinMo users or even Android users is a usless POS. Again, just my opinion. It has no class to it at all. The only feature that is remotely an attention grabber is the see thru screen, but it ends right there. What a waste!!! LOL!!!! Just my opinion! Everyone is allowed to voice their opinion. :) Personally I will not give up my X1 even if I do end up buying an X3 or X2. Well.........I maybe might give it up if I get an X2. :p Good day ladies and gents. :cool:
[XPERIA X1 General] 93795311:
See the HTC HD2 yet?

yes it might be ugly to some ppl's perspective, but look at its hardware

It will be released in US at spring of 2010

I mean, to be practical, unless you are a real android+SE fanboy.

Get that HD2
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
1. android is crap.

2. hd2 is ugly

3. hd2 has no hw keyboard

4. by the time the us have the hd2 we (uk) should have the tp3 which should have the same specs or better with a hw keyboard. what will be better.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Lol agreed 5896%. WTH happened dude, your posts are spot on lately :P.

OT:

By the way, I just noticed the Z8 in your sig. What's your opinion about it?
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
complete **** lol.

i did have a SE w960i which i sold, which was amazing but when my x1 cracked and needed to be sent for repair my friend game me the z8 as i did not have a phone.

i bought the touch dual as i could not take using the z8 any longer after i sent the x1 back the second time.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ineedtoys:
OK I'll bite. Why, exactly?
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Lawl :D.

I got the Z8, because I thought it would be as great as the V3i was, but...... it wasn't! There is something thought provoking in the form factor, but I got rid of it on the third week :D.

May I?

Because at the moment Android is a big rpomise looming above the horizon.

"It has great future"

"Very promising"

"Has potential"

etc.....

It may mature into something awesome in a couple of years, but for now.... it cannot claim to be a complete pocket pc platform. It is not functional and kinda cartoonish.

That's just my two cents.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
i played with the hero, did not like it.

it did have some good widgets but i find my x1 with spb shell 3.5(also a widget home screen) to be alot better.

how i see it why have android when u can have wm with the spb shell for a better experience.

it does have that all google stuff links etc but as i dont used any google stuff (apart from maps) it does not seem to have any features i cant do on my wm phone.

i think the real problem i find with android is the same prob i find with symbian, iphone, webos and blackberrys is that i seem limited by what they want they want me to have instead of what i want.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ineedtoys:
Seems to be the only thing that's limiting here is your and orelsi's insistance that all other platforms should look and behave exactly the same as a "pocket pc". After all, SPB Mobile Shell wouldn't need to exist if the WM UI was half decent.

Give me some concrete examples. What can you do on WM that you can't on Android?
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
true wm has a rubbish home screen (although some might like the 6.5 one) but if u dont like the android ui what do u do? with wm u install another one (there is a lot of choice).

also on the android ui u are limited to widgets to do everything from your home screens (i dont mind widgets but not everyone like widget based home screens).

there is also a lack on useful apps on android (of course this will change over a large period of time but at the moment the choice is poor). i dont count the soundboard apps as useful before anyone asks.

maybe as other companies add there ui and stuff on top it may get better but i hate the lack of control to change things from what google and the phone makers think i should, from what i want to have.

in the end the best way to tell if u like it is to test a android phone, i tested the g2 (hero) which is the best android phone on the market and i did not like it. will play with the SE rachael when its released but i doubt SE will be able to improve on the poor base enough for me to like it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ineedtoys:
Still find it funny that you replace WM with a widget based home screen, but then decry Android for giving you that functionality out of the box. I think you just need to forget the constraints of WM like you did for DOS and Win 3.1. WM stalwarts often slated every other OS because they said on WM was the only one customisable to the way they wanted their phone to work. Well Android goes far better than that, especially as you don't have one single vendor controlling development. AFAIK there are already at least 3 complete replacement frameworks for the homescreen (aHome, dxTop, and OpenHome) and that can only improve with time.

Edit: here's another that gives a nod to WM 6.5 "Today" but does so much more:

http://www.larvalabs.com/product_pages/intelligent_home_screen.html

As for a "lack of useful apps", again you fail to back that up with examples. I found there were plenty of apps for everything I wanted to do on my G1 - and what's more, they're mostly much cheaper than the WM equivalent (e.g. GBP25 for a full-blown SatNav app), and many of them are free.

That's not to say I'm not a traditionalist myself - on the X1 and Touch HD I often revert to the default WM shell just because it's familiar ground and bloat free. But neither do I call other OS' "crap" just because I haven't bothered to learn how to make them do what I want.