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[G1 General] XwXDv8XwX:
lol

My message is too short too damnit...haha
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
all right. i suppose flow of conversation is out of the question. haven't been here as long as you. apologies. i suppose i'm still harboring a grude after esmith shat on me for getting hit with taxes for shipping things across boarder when i was merely trying as best as possible to organize sending H a phone without the risk of added taxes which was MY experience in sending things. i was only disagreeing with you, you didn't have to sh!t on me. was just trying to help. i'll try to keep it on topic from now on.
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
Dont take it to heart :) ... I'm a member of many forums and have been for ~11 years (many before with BBS's), there's always some people like this. You may not have been around this forum for very long but they dont rank a persons contributions on 'time spent being a member' or on post count .... if they did you'd both be tied at 69 posts :p

Anyway ... forums are a manner of communication and sharing and even the slightly off topic tangents contribute valid content whether everyone agrees or not. The forum rules will typically dictate the etiquette a forum would like people to have. On this forum I did NOT see anything stating "Please remain 100% on topic in every forum and never deviate from what people interpret to be 'on topic'" ... there is however a rule regarding respect:

"2. Be polite and respect your fellow xda-dev user"
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
according to UPS phone shipping is on schedule and should arrive tomorrow!
[G1 General] hellfenix:
Yayness! Exciting times!
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
... sweeet :D now to try to refrain from pestering him to see what he's come up with/found out lol
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
You have no idea how difficult it will be for me to not @ him on twitter. =) i have a question for you fellow canucks, what will be the first things people do once they have root?

I plan to try the wifi hotspot app to turn the dream into a hotspot for my xbox 360. Not sure how often i'd do that, but i'd just like to say i can and have done it.
[G1 General] riddimmaster:
apps 2 sd :)
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
Looking forward to

apps 2 sd

paid apps on the market

voice search on google maps.
[G1 General] esmith:
Just because I'm not a post whore doesn't mean I haven't been on here every day for the past few years and flashed and tested more crap than you can ever imagine...

It's not my fault every time he sends something to the US as a gift he gets nailed or the other person does for taxes... I let that go along time ago...

I don't know why he is holding on to that one thing about me when it's him mailing improperly... I can't help him on that one so he needs to let it go.

No reason to take his madness out on me. Go to the post office and ask some questions.... I don't know why I'm the bad guy.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
I didn't realize that you were not only the Jesus of sending packages across the boarder, but also Gods gift to the forum and scene from all the testing and flashing you've done. My apologies. I had no idea you were so integral to the operation of this forum.

I might be able to add some insight as to why "you're the bad guy" though. You are condescending, agressive, and from my experience mean spirited in your replies to posts and posters who do not agree with you 100% or offer their experiences. I am glad you are able to send packages without duties. Good for you. I just wish you could've been a little more helpful than "youre doing it wrong". But its over now, phone has been sent.
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
Um ... I wasn't making any reference to this at all nor was I calling anyone a bad guy. I was more commenting on the "Off Topic" issue and in no way was it a personal attack on anyone. I also mentioned it had nothing to do with post count OR time on a list .... it's about contribution and at no point did I claim to know what contributions you've made either.

I highly doubt either way that you've tested and flashed more than "I could ever imagine" as I've been involved in many projects that involved flashing and testing (Familiar, Opie, Ossati, Embeded Linux Collective, etc) that have been going on a lot longer than this device, but that being said, I also never called you out and claimed you knew nothing or were new to this _stuff_.

Personally I don't think anyone was a "bad guy". I just dont think we should be so quick to judge anyone especially when a lot of the _kind of_ off topic stuff had relevant content for some people.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Does apps 2 sd affect the performace of the device either negatively or positively?

I'm also interested in trying out new roms! Go! Haykuro! Go!
[G1 General] esmith:
My point was he was mailing it wrong... No one I know has ever had to pay duty on a gift.

That's final. That's why they are gifts. Ask your local POST OFFICE. I'm tired of defending that when it's FACT.

Now I would love to move this along... to actual discussion about the Dream...

Like I said I dropped it... someone just keeps trying to be a pest. SO.... moving along...
[G1 General] esmith:
What class is your SD card?

My thought would be that the device would probably run better with a class 4 or 6 SD card. So has anyone run apps from SD card with a slower card?

I see a lot of cheap ones coming out as just a class 2. Just my guess.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
I didn't realize there were classes of card. Interesting, something to google for sure. From merely inspecting my 8 GB card it has a large C that is almost closed with the # 6 in the middle of it. I would venture a guess that that means class 6. Interesting, thanks!

E, since youve flashed a bunch of roms already, which would say is the most smooth in terms of performance? Are there any threads or wikis you'd suggest the rest of us newbie Canadian dream users read up on in terms of roms?
[G1 General] DirectMatrix:
class two's are a little slow

I would try to stay away from the class 2 sd cards for what you guys are trying to do (apps2sd etc), even class 4 might be a little slow for that. I would stick with the class 6 cards, they are worth the extra money. I just got an 8gb class 6 transcend microsd from amazon for $14 shipped so there are deals out there if you have some patience.
[G1 General] DirectMatrix:
I would recommend this thread for a great read if you have the time to brush up on your history. I'm not sure what the differences are between the Canadian version and the US version but this thread helped me a lot just to understand things.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=519523
[G1 General] esmith:
Yes that means 6, Which is good!

I guess when I referred to flashing roms I didn't mean for the Dream... sorry I didn't clarify that.

Mainly the TyTN, TyTN 2 and the Diamond are the ones I have flashed literally every rom to when I had each device but K's roms were by far the best when he made them for the Kaiser.

Once we get this thing rooted I will begin the de-vigininzation of my Dreams software... haha.
[G1 General] Drizzy Drake Rogers:
what the hell is th hold up with this man! I need ROOT!!!!! on my rogers ofcourse
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
I know I should let this be but I just can't....

It's not fact when it's just your personal experience.

Fact is what a government website states.

Link to page

Considering the item in question was $600, that is well over $100 or $200 US and would be subject to duties. If the U.S. is anything like Canada then they'd be able to tax and "high-end" electronic.
[G1 General] ExTREmE99:
Is there any update on rooting the HTC Magic/ Dream from Rogers?

I want to unbrand this sucker and get some nicer themes!
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
No. Phone has not been recieved by Haykuro yet.
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
Although quite possibly today :D ... then he's gotta rip the sucker apart (so to speak). hopefully he'll have some kind of update for us in the next couple weeks
[G1 General] haykuro:
Hi everyone :)

So today is the day i receive the phone. Sadly i missed the original delivery by an hour (i wasn't going to the office it was delivered to until 12, it arrived at 11 [the one time they choose to be early]).

so, i'm going to head down to the UPS store and pick it up myself. i have to go pick it up around 5PM-7PM (GMT-5).

i'll keep you posted once i have it in my hands.

i've also just payed AverageCanadian, thanks again to everyone who donated and made all of this possible :)
[G1 General] tertiumsquid:
Yay! I'm sure you'll make many Rogers users very happy (including myself).

Also, wtf? UPS delivered early? That's contradictory to my past experiences with them. At the Rogers store I used to run we had a saying; UPS stands for "Use Purolator Stupid".
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
Why do I want to root. Well 1st off, so I can flash better roms, rogers always strangles there devices. They know that the real geeks will find a way to flash there phones and really don't try to stop us. As they well know that 99% of the user base won't know about flashing and won't try to use the device to its full potential or abuse some features.

Although I am doing tethering through PDA Net, I am looking forward to the WiFi HotSpot feature, so I can link my Hermes up to the Dream.

Other reasons are to find way to strip down the "fluff" from the Android OS and make it more resemble a stripped version of Windows Mobile 6.1 and when someone has a decent hacked version of a Turn By Turn nav, it will be totally nice to have.

Also being able to actually BUY the apps from the market place will be very nice. Sucks Rogers killed that feature, but let the I-Phone guys able to do whatever they want. (in ways the I-Phone is more strapped to a table than we are, we just can't buy apps)

However really, Root is just so it is Rooted. I don't want to do everything, I just don't like being told I can't do anything.

Oh and one last reason, so I can drop a US pay as you go sim card into the phone. This has saved me thousands in roaming fees. I bought a US sim card and when I am in the states for weeks at a time, I simply pull the card out, and drop it into my phone. I own the sim card outright, so I just keep it in my card holder in my bag. When I am across the line I toss on a $50 credit, and away I go. $2 per min roaming vs .010 cents a min on a prepaid saves me literally $500-600 per trip.

Only read the below post if you want a chuckle or want to read semi off topic.

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I am not going to clutter this up with a dozen quotes, but here goes.

Did anyone except for my dirty mind, think "tied at 69 posts, immediately think 2 large wooden fence posts, with one guy tied upside down and the other guy right side up in a uhm 69 fashion.

Shipping from Canada to the USA, I do a fair bit shipping due to my car hobby and needing to ship large expensive custom car parts.

NEVER use UPS. Even if the item is free, I had a $25 book shipped via UPS and I got hit with $60 in brokerage fee's, plus taxes. I about told UPS to take the book and shove it where the sun don't shine.

USPS is a different story, I have had all manor of parts shipped via USPS and almost always had good results. As a matter of fact, I just received a clutch pressure plate today. Was marked as Warranty/Gift, I didn't have to any brokerage or taxes.
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
I'm not going hack that up but I will respond saying "me too" to the root issues ... and second USPS ... I order a lot of stuff online and by FAR USPS has given me the best prices overall and best service. In canada I still like Canada post ... but things coming from the US ... I always ask if they will ship USPS becasue even if the price is $5 more for shipping ... I NEVER get whacked brokerage :D
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Not sure if you guys and gals are following Haykuro on Twitter, but he said that he got the phone and is, quote, "starting to root the rogers dream... start your timers."

This anticipation is killing me.
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
Following now :D lol
[G1 General] esmith:
Sweet!

Also... Will anyone, or has anyone preformed a dump of the Rogers rom or do we need to root it before that?

Figured now would be a good time to get a backup of that file system...
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
I believe that there is another thread that talks about the rogers dump. I also think that H put up a Rogers rom for those interested in ms exchange.
[G1 General] jonnyczi:
PDANET was removed because t-mobile does not like it. Is it possible to find the apk on the net that is legit.
[G1 General] aggtrfrad:
what r u talking about? It's automatically installed to your phone through adb, when you run the pdanet executable from windows...
[G1 General] jpa-:
oohhh the anticipation - no sleep until root... c'mon haykuro.!!!!...

sorry... n00b to the forum and my first post occurs while drunk... so sorry.:p
[G1 General] mantafloppy:
*edit* damn, when i saw Haykuro and rooting, i jumped the gun... it's says magic, not dream, not sure it's the same.

It made android-unleashed news but not the original post?

Nothing on his twitter either, strange...

It's done, root for Htc Dream.

http://android-unleashed.com/2009/06/how-to-root-the-mytouch-3g.html
[G1 General] dtx:
this is confirmed working for the Rogers HTC Dream?
[G1 General] jpa-:
Have to be honest, didn't fully pay attention to the link you posted - but it appears it's for the T-Mobile version of the HTC Magic (The "MyTouch 3g"). Not sure if there's any difference, but as I seem to be following haykuro's twitter nearly in real-time right now, and it currently says he's in the process.??? Could be wrong though.. just trying to clarify
[G1 General] mantafloppy:
Sorry about that, i only had the Dream in mind since i readed the post saying he would receive it today.

Whe n i saw the news with his name i assume, i constantly mess up Dream and Magic...
[G1 General] aggtrfrad:
it's not rooted yet relax... this is for the t-mobile version..
[G1 General] dtx:
thought so. shame.
[G1 General] jpa-:
hahaha no worries.. i don't doubt there are a few other phones on the go with a few different people since a few versions of each phone were released by different providers in different countries all around the same time. No harm no foul..

however...

No more false alarms plz???
[G1 General] tribalmunky:
Rogers' Exchange client is OK, but you can't have it automatically sync folders other than Inbox and Sent Items. Touchdown fills the void though.
[G1 General] jpa-:
Just a random long-shot here but i mean... Is haykuro the the type of dude to fall asleep during a project or.... Does he drink Jolt Cola by the 28oz can, and stay awake until the project is complete?

ie: what are your thoughts on a chance at having root tonight?

(also, not to be a creep but what time is it where Mr. H lives?)
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
LOL go to bed! Dont wait up expecting root tonight.
[G1 General] akapoor:
This actually made me laugh.

I think you should be thanking him, along with the other Devs, for creating these applications and methods.

You can't expect this to be an overnight project. It takes weeks, if not months, of testing and getting it right. So simply - the chances of you getting the update TONIGHT is unlikely.
[G1 General] jpa-:
Orly? I thought it was as simple as pretty much attempting the same methods, if not extremely similar ones to those already completed - Albeit, I haven't the slightest clue when it comes to programming or developing so hands-down, all props to those who do it.. and MAD props for Haykuro for even attempting a completely (to him) frivolous project, for us moron Canadians who are too thick-skulled to figure out rooting an Android on our own.

I realize it's merely good-faith that he's evening doing this, considering a Rogers Root would have literally no benefit to him whatsoever. Despite all otherwise sarcasm and uncontrollable rhetoric - .....

Thank you Haykuro.

Until complete - I wait silently. but hey, atleast I registered.

Love,

Just another blip in the .db
[G1 General] akapoor:
Hey bro, I wasn't bashing out at you or anything - Just was saying.

But yea! Welcome aboard to XDA.
[G1 General] hotweiss:
I am refreshing Haykuro's page like crazy, but I know it will take some time for him to root it.
[G1 General] jpa-:
Ya same... Also, just for laughs in the meantime (and i realize I'm going back on my previous "wait silently" proclamation)..... Out of 40,000,000 (that's Forty-Million) Canadian, potential Android users.... we really had to collectively pay for someone in another Country to fix something for us? We really have no developers in Canada capable of rooting this?

Just a perplexing thought. Stupid Canadians :(
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
A little unfair! I just think we all know that H and the devs here have more experience. My friend who also has an HTC Dream refused to donate, saying that someone in Canada would figure it out, but what a waste of time and effort for that person when H and the devs here are that much more experienced. I'm sure there is someone in Canada that could figure it out, but why wait for them when we have the internet and people who are willing and experienced. =) wow, I'm very inarticulate this morning. I said experienced wayyyyyyy too much.

For the person refreshing haykuro's page, just get twidroid. Auto notifications is a wonderful thing!
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
If I had more time, resources and experience I would have no problem hammering away trying to root the phone or get people I know involved ... the thing is haykuro has WAY more experience and skill and the chances for success are a lot higher, dare I say garanteed. If this was a new iPaq, PSP, or a few other devices I've worked on and contributed code to, I'd totally jump on it. Leveraging experience and his skill to mitigate risk and reduce time made WAY more sense in this case though. There's always a certain discipline required when doing things like this *looks at his pile of bricked 3790's* before you get the money shot *looks at his other pile of mixed version bootloaders on other 3790's which are NOT bricked* lol :o

One thing I've noticed is that some companies really dont want you messing with what they still feel is their hardware ... back in the day if you bricked you iPaq, hp had a deal with a guy who you could send it to and have him re-image it to a factory version for free so you could try again. They were more interested in you having the hardware and didn't care what the hell you wanted to run for an O/S on it. Something tells me HTC wouldn't do this and even if they would, a lot of people can't be without their devices that long anymore.

Damn technology!!! ... which I love lol
[G1 General] outsider787:
I don't know about the rest of you canadians on here, but I am a little offended by this comment. It's quite inappropriate to call ANYONE stupid. (unless they did something really stupid)

Or did I miss something?
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
I wouldn't take it too much to heart... IMO, supporting someone who's got the experience actually makes us smart :p stupid Canadians would be a bunch of us wrecking 100's of phones to try to claim some kind of geek trophy for first person to root a Rogers HTC Dream ... I have no problems giving this title to haykuro who deserves the credit.

I don't think he really meant Canadians are stupid ;) maybe just a poor choice of word.
[G1 General] jpa-:
Yeah it totally went over your head, thus proving my point :P JK

Firstly, I'm Canadian as well, so my "stupid canadians" statement was in no way meant to be taken seriously. Even with the internet acting as a block to the sarcastic-tone channel, I thought it was pretty obvious that I wasn't serious.

PS: words are just words - you can make them mean anything you want if you WANT to be offended and have something to go on a tangent about.

Food for Thought:

You know how fat people get offended if you call them fat..

Or how ugly people get offended if you call them ugly..

or how alcoholics get offended if you call them a drunk..

...... kinda like how stupid people get angry if you call them stupid?

PPS: lighten up - it's all jokes.

just sayin'
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Just a poor choice of words. :) I'm not offended. We merely put our trust and pooled cash in the most appropriate hands. I think that makes us pragmatic.

I wonder what today will bring! If you aren't following H on twitter you may be interested to know that he lost some file(s) during a wipe, but *someone* helped him locate it. So progress is is being made. Also, H has sim unlocked the phone with my provided link. =P yay for helping? Hehehe.
[G1 General] nostriluu:
First, to be a pedant, the population of Canada is 33M, not 40M. And, well, not all Canadians are potential Android hackers. In fact there are probably only thousands of Canadian Android owners and enthusiasts, the vast majority of whom are not expert hackers, or don't have the time or inclination. It's a numbers game and around the world, Haykuro has the expertise and focus to work on this now. Ultimately, this isn't about Canada, it's about Android devices with root and ROM choice. I'm very happy to see the way things are happening.

As to what I'll do with my rooted Dream, definitely use tethering. I can think of a lot of good uses for that, while traveling and doing work around town. But mostly I want to see Android be a real 'open' phone, so it could be a 'revolution' where people have control and can hack and exchange long lasting (as opposed to transitory product level) knowledge, not just something you buy as is and discard when the next shiny thing comes out. Among other things, the software features should apply to every device hardware capable of supporting them, and we should be able to share our wins.
[G1 General] jpa-:
Yeah I'm following his twitter very closely - not that I know what a lot of it means but... yeah.

His most recent post -

"haykuro - alright well I'm calling it a night. I have 2 choices, either wait until I find a good boot img or make a jtag cable and risk the device..about 8 hours ago from web"

Not sure how promising that is.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
H also said "canadian users find a boot.img that boots on your phone, win a cookie." He said it will probably be a stock boot.img. I have no idea where to find such boot images. =\

J am familiar with jtag, but where the heck would he put it, and to what end! He said "risk" the phone, dont think he'd actually do it, but... ummm... hmmm...

Anyone else excited? Anxious?
[G1 General] jpa-:
Yes. I've been excited since a week ago. Anxiety is setting in now.

Where is my bong?
[G1 General] esmith:
Just wondering... does everyone who donated get first shot and modding their phone?...
[G1 General] jpa-:
Just a longshot here but I was sort of assuming that root instructions will be posted freely for everyone once complete. But again - super props to those who donated.
[G1 General] esmith:
Sorry, I'm not trying to say that it shouldn't be public because IT SHOULD but I just thought the people who donated should get the first taste of a new rom.

:D
[G1 General] jpa-:
Once posted - find the links & grab'em before the rest of the hoard get to it :P
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
LOL. I think that would be some serious weak sauce if the process/rom were *exclusive* to donators for a period of time. Let's just hope H can do it and worry about who gets what when. I donated, helped put together this effort to get H the device, but really i could care less if people who didnt donate get to enjoy the process/roms. Cant wait to buy H some more Nesquick when this is all said and done.

Go! Haykuro! Go!