yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Both of these issues are actually what's causing all of this, I would imagine.

This isn't any single person's project. It's (or at least, it should be) a community driven effort.

Unfortunately, no collaberation is possible at the moment, as there is no shared code being committed to the repository.

Absolutely everything here can be cleared up with a single commit to the repo. That's why I just don't understand why this is continuing ...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I know I'm picking your posts apart here, and I apologise for that.

Not liking someone is normal in any community effort. Regardless of any feelings for another developer, however, there should always be an underlying respect for their knowledge in a particular field.

I don't know you at all, and I don't know cr2 at all - I'm going to leave this as my last reply about this whole argument though. We all want android to be a success on the blackstone, but that won't happen if there's continuous in-fighting going on.

I really do advise you to become more transparent in your dealings with other developers, and I also wish you good luck with the port of Android. I'm one of those waiting (im)patiently for it to be completed
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Nothing joycey all the people was asking about code so i posted it. Some people want to see some screen shots i posted that too so now they need some thing else to wast time that's why they are doing it. Dont worry joycey from day after tomorrow there will be no mess again.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Ok guys i must say good bye for this project on xda i have lot of thing to do i have to get website,git,mailing list ready i have to work on kernel it's time to start writing some real code. Ones http://androidkernel.org is ready i will update fist post. we will meet in our new mailing list very soon.

MODERATORS I will update first post in a day After i Updated the first post please close this thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
I really couldn't care less where you fit me and I certainly don't want to start a flame war, however, I'm sure you could have found a better way to word your opinion ;)

As for the technical issues, I'm an engineer and as such I look at the facts not gossip. When the facts are missing, there really is no basis for discussion, is there?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cr2:
I'm only wondering how old are you ?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
23

How old are you cr2?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
to cr2 & tuxhero :

could you both please stop messing around - the last question posted by cr2 was really stupid -- a lot of people know some stuff, some older & some younger -- Im personally 15y old and I MAY KNOW more than some of the "senior members" of forum do...

so who the hell cares how old are we, as long as we know something!!! :D :D

just stop the arguing & do your work or whatever you do!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cr2:
38.

I'll stop posting to this thread, because not a single post here is about any technical details.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] purec0de:
quite agree...some are young some are old...but right now they need to grow up and focus on the project before people lose faith. :D

i for one am a great fan of the project and have donated to the cause...but i want to see progress in this forum of a technical nature.

less bickering and more COMMUNITY please !!vv:rolleyes:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
Hey, isn't this great!!!

So, anyone looked at the code yet? I did, but I can't tell much from it. For a total re-write, it contains a lot of Raphael references and other people's uglycode.

BTW, I don't give a toss whether someone thinks I am a big fat meanie, I was a bit interested to find out whether there was a credible project going on here so I challenged tuxie boy to give us some proof. I'm still pretty sceptical tbh. Certainly won't be donating, but then, I think donations are the work of the devil. Anyway, it's been emotional... someone pm me if an img appears, otherwise, byebye.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] johndox:
simply ridiculous... nothing more to say

quoted for truth
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] djamkul:
just in case some of you might want to go on bashing yourselves and leave this thread to what it was meant for !! ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=4073307#post4073307

but then, looks like we won't have anything new about Android here :(

too bad, thx anyway, nice try tuxhero !
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cyclone_storm:
What the hell are people doing over here. Patp what are you trying to prove in your last post. If you really think it’s so crapy, then why don't you continue your own project and show that your code is better than the other code. All this crap about one another is really unbelievable for UDULTS here. If you don't like someone in some way, then don't go to his post, here was that so hard. Who the hell cares about how good someone is. As long as it works good, who cares about who it written down. Every programmer knows that you can write the same thing a thousand different ways. Keep one the good work Tuxhero. :D:D:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
double post - sorry
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
I had a quick look at the code. Its just a copy of 2.6.27 code. Tuxhero confirmed that on irc yesterday.

It turned out that he has some skills. Maybe they are not as high as he stated earlier (esspecially by giving very unrealistic ETAs). That is not the worst thing here. He also promised not to stop this project until it is fully working on blackstone. But now he wants to abandon XDA and make another site with git/forum/wiki etc. It is hard to understand how will this help at all. I think this will be only a time waste.

He already wasted a lot of time making a git. After few weeks there is a git. Why create another one? Why not using ltg git for free as others do in the first place? He wanted 2.6.29, so why not asking dcordes for a 2.6.29 branch on ltg?

Of course, his own site will also give him moderating options and will make him look more like a scammer. I think now he should avoid that if he wants any credibility. Escaping from criticism won't solve any problem here. A good criticism is a chance to improve project a bit.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Goose4all:
so.. there we go...

he got tons of donations, a new domain full of ads and we didnt went any further...

as we've started to ask for some proof of his work he cleverly uses this, made it to racism bull****, and moved the discussions in an ugly direction and now he just says good bye..

isnt that funny...

thats exactly what we "haters" had foreseen..

so, farewell tuxhero, R.I.P....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
Hey, what we do with our money and whether we trust tuxhero or not is just OUR problem. What do you all want to achieve with warning us?? If you want to help us, ok, but you already warned us and I think that you already achieved that nobody donates until audio works. OK, you cannot do more, because when audio works, many people WILL donate.

Sometimes I think that some people are just jealous that tuxhero will solve all the android-problems which nobody could solve before.

For me it doesn´t matter if he first solves all problems and then releases the source.

And now please let him work. I want audio in two weeks!

masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
1. Giving money to foreigners is your problem. Will he solve all problems which nobody could solve before? On what basis should we belive in that? Tuxhero stated many things he did not deliver and you still cease to see it. That just beeing naive.

2. Linux is all about freedom and hackers have done a lot to make it run on HTC devices for free. Tuxhero at the moment contributed very little to project and gathered numerous donations. It is not beeing jeleaus to criticize it. It beeing fair.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
I did not contribute any money yet, and im no dev.

But some of us just cant take it beeing lied to and we hate to be given false hope about having Android on our phones.

Thats why we look at this with a critical eye.

Many people in this thread seems blinded by faith.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kraize:
You guys are idiots to donate... Why not gather a bounty instead and fulfil your pledge once it's working?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] itchy8me:
this thread is a disgrace. terrible.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
What is this thread about again?

oh yea, android.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xmoo:
And it's because of these stupid comments, people, ish's. Why a lot of devs are stopping with XDA!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
Well, first posts was, then people starting to make other people mad, then the mad people started to make yet other people more mad...

As always: It starts with a good idea, and someone dont like the idea how it is done and make argues about nothing.

Tuxhero:

I still hope you have time and energy to do this!

I still hope you will make it, or atleast solve some problems in your progress so other people see that it is possible to get it to work on the device. That is what I think is needed right now: Real progress that people actually can see and agree to is progress.

Others: If you dont like what Tuxhero is doing in his home, at his computer, dont waste your time on it. Let him finish his work if he thinks he can do it.

Why dont you all put this energy on arguing with all rom-makers about how this is piracy-software?

Why not argue in the radio-threads about how this is stolen software that has leaked from people working with it and how wrong it is to use it?

Why not a single argue in the Hard-SPL-threads about how morally wrong it is to use this code?

How about all the unlock-threads and companys that sells unlock-codes? I

I wonder how many of you are using original roms in your phone. I dont... but I know that it is piracy software, and I have no problems with it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] SmokinMan:
Yeah, why not? I'll give 20 Bucks for a fully working android on the Touch HD.

In the meantime: stop *****ing, everybody.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Im sorry, but what are you going on about?

What people foremost are arguing about is what you said yourself...

"That is what I think is needed right now: Real progress that people actually can see and agree to is progress."

99,9% of the threads on xda clearly shows progress, this one doesnt.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Visitor77:
Watch the forst post an you will see the actual progress!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Yeah, still 99% words of promises.

Read the whole thread and see what patp said about the code he looked at.

Im still waiting for what will be shown at http://androidkernel.org/, hopefully something more than that.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Visitor77:
He said he does not public the code for NOW because it takes a lot of time.

I believe in this.

Let us see what happens.

If the first useable version is public all doubters have to revoke ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Visitor77:
sorry doublepost
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
I'm trying to keep out of this but really! How much time does it take to post the code? 30 seconds? Of all the possible reasons this must be the lamest one.

If I do make up my mind it may be because of this excuse.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Visitor77:
Okay!

Posting a single .diff file would take a few seconds.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] FabianNL:
Following this thread from day 1 and reading the many, many (angry? complaining?) post about posting code... I really just don't get it... Why should he?! If you think it's a big scam (even now he stopped accepting donations!). Just skip this thread or leave just 1 reply.

If I where Tuxhero I already stopped this project because you aren't really thankfully to him. He is spending his own free time in porting a amazing OS to us even more amazing phone. So please all stop complaining and just wait till he release something.

Tuxhero, I hope you continue your great job and ignoring all the complaining!

(and before someone complains about my English, sorry ;) )
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sevensheaven:
as we say in holland "de beste stuurlui staan aan wal" what means something like people who say the now all..standing far away and bring nothing.

yuxhero please go on with your project i'm realy enthousiast about it and many more..and leave the childeren like they are.

regards stef
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] stoolzo:
addage

"fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, shame on me."

This project was always going one way, I donated to the first project as it started with tangable progress you could actually get your hands on. I am not sure if Tux is a scammer or not but those who continued to donate after seeing no progress only have themselves to blame, faith is dangerous people.

Android-Touch Hd - RIP

Now lets all move on and start savig those bucks for the next overpriced driverless HTC handset so we can all get disapointed all over again.

:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] idandush:
well ,

after reading alot in here , stoolzo - dont give up yet :)

i do think we have to wait abit , see if someone can make it , i dont know if Tux , or anyone else , but we need Android .

about HTC , i agree they are a real shame - we need drivers ! :(:(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] voileuxcool:
Please don't stop this project it's very important for the HD community !

With android the HD will be the best phone !

Good luck for the next !

ben
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Good bye!!!!!!!!!!!

Wonderful guys I never tough that i will get situation. From beginning i was saying only 2 things. I want to

finish this project, old code is not good so i want to rewrite it. In that process i first ported all the 2.6.27 code

to 2.6.29 kernel (You can see the code download link in my post to patp) now iam in process of cleaning old code and

working on rpc and audio. I did't thing i did any thing which i did't told you about or did i??? I did't say that

iam a super hero i can finish this in a day or a week or did i?????? In all the ETA's i told that "may be" but i think you

people don't understand meaning of maybe. Have you every try to download code from my github repo may be not because kernel in

github is broken that's the reason i am not commiting code to github. And for just $300 you think iam a scammer you need my

origin,skills level etc.. why all this why don't you ask xda mods to take a scan copy of passport,Job Cartificate and all

proofs of skills before registration. I had a very great treatment from xda members it's enough. It's time to say good bye.

One more thing what every might happen i am not going to stop working on this project and all the people who donated will

get code and binary when i am finished. I had all you email in my paypal don't worry i will send you update of status to your

email if want any thing you can mail me at me@abimanyu.in (Only for people who donated).

Mod's i know you don't take care of what people post here but atleast close this thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
I had a lot of hope when you started this. Even after you released your code there I had hope, but still I thought that you will prove your words are not plain lies and continue this project. Well you promised that.

Now you say goodbye and clearly take your donors with you. You break your promise to finish this project. Your excuses are simply weak. Those are not valid reasons to abanadon such a project.

I am to blame for beeing naive in beliving your words. That was just wishful thinking. You proved to be a scammer finally. Thats just sad.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] squirreleater:
Tux:

Ignore the flamers,there are lots of us watching this thread quietly hoping you will crack this and get android working.

Stick with it please and prove the flamers wrong.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I feel better to be proved scammer than defending my self from continues attacks from other members. Every time i visit xda expecting some encouragement and support but all i see is "scammer" "he don't know any thing" "he can't do it" "he is cheating" type of messages. I realy don't need

to make money out of this project. I am rich enough and i have a highly paid full time job my dad,brother earns too i can buy any mobile in this world with out even thinking. All developers are keeping donation button by seeing that i tought to try how donation works that's all but by seeing the donation i received every one started saying scammer. 90% of the projects never list the donation they received but i want to be open as much as possible that's

why i put that list.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
You don't have to defend yourself if you play an open an clear game. I am sorry to say that all the mess that came up is your fault. You could have easily avoid it. Even if that could be not easy for you, you could always ask for help. I tried to suggest some ways to achieve that by beeing critic. I don't think that criticism has been made in order to stop you. On the contrary - it was made to help you.

Please do not stop this project on XDA. There are many willing to help you and wishing that you continue this awesome project.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] FabianNL:
@everybody who was complaining: "XDA member, you did a great job! Killing a very promising project! You can be pround on yourself!"

Hope to hear from you soon Tuxhero, on your website or here.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lomu66:
Is it difficult to ignore them and continue this project and never leave it ? (as you said a lot of times). When someone doesn't like you in real life, do you leave your home and go live in an other country ? I think no. Your reaction is very sad and I can understand everyone saying that you're a scammer because you simply do what all people against you are waiting for. Simply count all post for and againt you, you will probably be surprised.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lethalfriend:
C'mon Tux don't leave us, We are with u for ur great accomplishment.

Just do it. (In sab ko kar dikhao k tum kya kar ssaktay ho).....

Wish u best of luck....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Techvir:
Tux,

I have never posted in this thread , but I had faith that you would do something.

There are always rotten apples and they need to be thrown out. At least ignore them and dont reply to their messages.

I was happy to see a fellow indian doing this job.

Gopa
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
So now you have abandoned your plans to continue this work at androidkernel.org that you said earlier, and only people who donated can contact you at your mail for further updates?

Wow, nice, you really know how to make yourself trustworthy. :(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] shah1237:
It sad to hear the criticism you got, coz people jst want to crib but cant do it by themselves.

I can understand how difficult it would be for you to decide to leave.

But its your deciison, a man has got to do what he has got to do.

This is my first post on the forum,but i did follow the project.

One thing that really exited me was the indian flag and airtell logo.

Trust me, i was not going to write to you before the project was completed.

being an indian myself, i would have felt so proud once you completed the project.

And yeah for all the people who think that this guy is a scammer,

you wont even get your 1 months expenditures taken care by $300.

Plzz continue to work on the project and the answer to all the people who critized you, should be when we see android completely running on touch HD.

Am sure these people will then apologize, coz its easy to point fingers at other, but difficult to get work done by yourself.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] style1:
To all....how about we practice shuttin the hell up.

You don't believe he will do it...fine, do it yourself. Only people who should be allowed to ***** n complain are those who have donations....and even then those people know the wait that they are in for.

This is what I am not understanding, people are complaining cause they want to help. You guys are saying, "why dont you release your coding so others can see it so other developers can help" He clearly asked if any developers wanted to help...who stepped foward? Its an open source project and people have been complaining since the honeymoon period ended, "why don't you do this" "why aren't you doing that" "why this kernel" "why don't you release the code" "you've only gone this far, why didn't you use the other code"...its getting old. If he keeps you in the loop the whole process you guys are going to keep complaining and slow down the process even more cause he will have to justify every single step he's making. I for one an tired of seeing sideline developers who aren't even helping... The moral of the story seems to be, when you're working on a project, don't involve other developers..develop silently and shock the world..

To Tuxhero,

It seems to be that the overwhelming majority of people do appreciate your efforts but some just don't believe its doable by one person, so they do not trust whether you're actually doing the work because its so monumental a task to accomplish. Now I can understand your frustration, but you should understand this...the eyes of the Touch HD world are on you right now. You fail; you only validate why people believed you couldn't do it in the first place, you succeed and you open our phones up to limitless possiblities. I believe you will succeed, but it means nothing...its just words. Your actions and your outcomes will prove more than anything you will type here. XDA is an amazing community, don't be discouraged by what people say cause ultimately they will do nothing...Good luck...

~style~

Now I might have stepped out of line here and thats fine I just needed to say my peace.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nedge2k:
@Tux,

The sad fact of the matter is that if you had been around doing this a few years ago, you wouldn't have had to put up with this small minded crap. Unfortunately, this is what XDA has become these days, a lot of small minded people who are only out for what they can get, who have no understanding of the effort involved and who can't seem to grasp the fact that people have lives outside of XDA. Although on the flipside of that, a few years ago people never used to ask for donations...

I don't blame you for wanting to quit doing this publically and for what it's worth, I think you'd be better off doing it on your own site. At least that way you'd have some control over things.

My offer of hosting still stands, you've got my support!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] wizern23:
are you still going to post it at androidkernal.org? if not you should post it at http://www.htc-android.com/. The admin there named Edvard would help you out with some stuff even though he doesnt have a touch hd.

i understand what you're getting at because haykuro left the dream section for almost the exact same reason. just remember that you know who you are. i think all those people that donated could have asked for there money back if they thought you were a scammer and you would of gave it back.