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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Goose4all:
watch your language.!

there are no "haters" or "nay sayers"..

it started on june 11th with, so more or less 1 month ago.. nearly promptly, the donation button was placed and the people've started to donate like crazy.. he got ~300 bucks und nothing happened..

it took 1 hour to set up a git repo and onother one to **** it up... advises to use github were taken away, the offered websapce and bandwith were not even answered..

then it took 1 week to create a github-fork of the kernel and again, nothing happened.

in the meantime more people donated...

the only thing we got was hot air.. and photoshop'ed android on blackstone image (most of the time i thought he'd use the donations to pay a designer doing the "ads")

i dont know the reason for not committing the changes he's made.. thats exactly the purpose of an open source code repository.. to checkin the work you've done, that others can use this work and push it further. noone will blame somebody if this isnt finished (except the noobs of course, who actually not even read a single word in this thread and just asking for a download location of the android rom for blackstone).

or dont ask for donations.. i mean, you dont have to show your work, but if you get money for that, you better do that.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cr2:
He has probably nothing more to say. I don't think tuxhero is a scammer,

it's just a way how many (most?) third-world outsourcing projects work: with nice pictures

for the gullible investors, and little technical competence behind.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] acidoverflow:
why don't we all calm down and stay focused on main topic looking forward to the first release. IMHO the discussion ended with tuxhero giving us the possibilty to take a look into his achievements. Keep up the good work and I hope with the first release we will have a nice working android with only "some" bugs to be cleaned in further releases.

Greetz

Acid
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
India is not a third world country. :(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Thankyou I too want the same.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] seti1337:
your reaction about the post by patp is very very nice......most of the people would stop there work because they are getting very angry.

thanks for your hard work cant wait for the first release :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
That would be the reaction of a scammer.

When promted for proof, "ending" the non-existing project blaiming it on the demanding/*****ing community, classic.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
First Donation ---> Removed Donation

After that Code Not Posted ----> Posted Code

Now Racasm ----> I can't change my country I am sorry.

I can't take it anymore friends. I am leaving this forums i will continue development but not here i will find some safe place and let you know.

Before i leave i want to say some thing

cr2 is a member of this forums since 2005 he is been into all the linux porting project since 2005 and contributed some thing for those project too

but he never finished any project or never stick to any project. He just jump like monkey from 1 project to other. We had a great developers here but problem is no one dedicated to finish any of the linux porting project.

But as usual people like to believe them more than me.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
deem , bullsh*t --- always in all threads there has to be someone who joked, or just meant to be mean -- and this happens -> developers leave!!!

WTF is with you all - tuxhero is doing it for himself & he just wanted to share the results, when theyre done(am I right?),, now why the hell would someone care-- If you arent a dev and cant do anything to help then dont post(if you want then send a donation & say thanks, not start messing around and saying all kinds of sh*t!!!

@ tuxhero : if you change your mind then, xda is the biggest place with most developers, but its so big that there always are some mean people, so you will always be welcome here at xda!!

oh and when you find the place to develop Android, then please post a message or send a PM so the people who want android on HD can follow your progress!!

Good Luck!!

Kristaps
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Absolutely ridiculous.

There was nothing racist about his comment. I didn't know you were from India, and even if I had known it, I still wouldn't have considered that racist.

It's a very, very well known fact in development that software work farmed out to developing countries inevitably comes back worse than if you had paid the local village idiot to do it instead.

What alot of people are unhappy about here is the complete lack of transparency in what you're doing.

1: There's a code repository online for this project, and you completely refuse to use it

2: You accept donations with little or no status updates

3: When you finally announce that you have something working you still refuse to commit to the repository so that others can examine, and possibly improve upon, your work

Refusing to commit to a repo is not a big deal - I do it every single day in work. If I commit every 30 minutes the code would be a complete mess for everyone else. But as I complete relatively important, or small portions of code, I commit and allow others to use/improve it if neccessary.

That's precisely the reason these things exist.

The only reason that people refuse to believe what you say, is because all you are doing is saying. They want to see exactly what it is you've been doing, because they believe that they can help out.

It may well be that they don't have the technical knowledge required for linux kernel hacking (I certainly don't, but I'd love to :(), but that the feel they can help out once they have something to build from.

This thread is quickly becoming a joke - so many of us are "normal" software developers, or at least technical enough to understand how delays in home-grown projects are easily blown out of proportion, especially after a hard day's work in a "real" job. Stop taking it all so personally - we all want this project to be a success, and we all want to help in whatever way we can.

Daniel
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
Agreed. Why there had to be supid comments about the origin of someone? I can't understand that.

@cr2

In some way, tux and you are competitors but you don't have to make fun of someone on a personal basis. Can't understand that and thought you were more equitable...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4069185&postcount=460

Read it. CR2 neither did, or said, anything wrong
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
@daniel.hunt

And i think that's not a fact that's maybe personal experience or just a prejudice. because if it wouldn't work, why the heck are so many people put whole dev-departments to countries like india? Even Microsofts Windows Seven i think ist mostly coded there. If it would be a fact, suplly evidence...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Every company I've worked for has farmed work out to other countries (including India), and the work always had to be rewritten after it came back.

I don't have any doubts that there are good software houses and developers in India, but you simply cannot argue that the software houses there give everyone else in the country a bad reputation.

Also, if there's one thing that I absolutely, categorically, hate with a vengeance, it's people claiming racism or prejudice simply because the target of someone's comments is from another country.

Cop the hell on and take off your politically-correct hat.

*edit*

Surely it's obvious from my posts that I'm supporting tuxhero. But what I simply will not support is immature insults, or baseless claims of racism. If there's a language barrier here, then fair enough, state it and move on. But if not, then the direction of this site (not just this project) just continues to piss me off.

*edit 2*

Actually, did you note how many people jumped on the anti-racism bandwagon as soon as it was mentioned?

Ugh. I hate this **** :/
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Hold on friends

I am not stopping development or not hurt by cr2 comments. I am make this project big very very big so that people like cr2 will not even dare to have fun of us our new home will be http://androidkernel.org from now every thing will be done in standard way we will be having mailing list only development related discussion will be there in mailing list. We will do every like http://kernel.org. Give me 1 day http://androidkernel.org will be updated with a shine new web site,git repo,mailing list.

************** Edit ***********************

I was planing this from a long time in preparation of our 1st release. After seeing how people stop development and seeing people jumping from 1 device to other.

I thought that what we need is not code we need a standard place to keep track of the code that's why i did it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
YEIAA!!!!! :D :D

finaly something good this morning!!

GOOD LUCK!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] minhanh_tran:
Thanks for your hard work! Waiting for Android on HTC Touch HD!:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] alexkutty:
I would have done the same thing much earlier than you if I were in your place. Nobody can tolerate most of the recent comments here. Please don't underestimate any country developing or a third world. India is not at all a developing or thirdworld country. Most of the softwares you use daily, I am sure that they are the main architects working from behind the screen. So try to respect others.

Tux hero please ignore any of the discouraging comments. Please continue your work here. As a community you can expect any kind of people here.

Please.

(NB: Sorry for my poor English. Moderators, if you think anything wrong in my comments please correct or remove it. I donot want to hurt anybody by this.)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xmoo:
I know what you mean, patp can be pain in the ass sometimes!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cyclone_storm:
Hey tuxhero, thanks for all of your work on the project. I think that many people including me are going to follow you to your new domain. Let the haters stay here and the believers follow. :D:D:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
This situation could easily have been avoided with a simple little post showing something real. Android on Blackstone brings ALOT of attention and with all these words and promises that just seemed too good to be true, it was obvious someone eventually would question him, he should have seen it coming and had it avoided.

I dont really know why he removed the donations if he really had something to show, everything just looked weird.

As for the badmouthing of coding and competence it just turned ugly really early in this thread, and that was pretty much his own fault, even if he didnt mean anything bad, things he said sadly just come out wrong.

Its nice to see he is still working on the project, i just hope they are better prepared for the masses and use a better strategy at the new place.

Good luck Tuxhero!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BlastOS:
hello

I don't understand why so many people are so negative with tuxhero.

He is doing this project for himself and want to let the others the benefice of his hard work.

So why agress him with querys like show us the code,...

He finally "released" sources and the only thing we ask him is when do you release a functional version?

Can't we just be quiet waiting for more tuxhero's news?

@tuxhero: just forgive us to be so ungratefull and let us know how things are doing and if you need help.

Everybody want to put a stable version on their HD, but with this kind of attitude we will never have one.

THANK YOU for trying your best...

That said, can we stay focused about android, please?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Why is it negative to ask for code on an "open project" where the dev is asking for help?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Terrorhuhn:
Tuxhero you are our Hero^^

It's terrible that there are so many people which don't respect your work.

Only for this project I could hurt my self that I didn't improve my programming skills.

It's really nasty sitting here and wait for others doing the work, because I am not able to help them...

I hope in future we can see WM ROMs and Android ROMs side by side, that would be awesome!

greets
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Situation could easily have been avoided but we can avoid it one,twice or more but not always. My New strategy is not a new one kernel.org has been using this strategy from there 1st release till now. I believe that this move will give a strong feature for android as a alternative operating system for our mobiles.Not only for blackstone this will help other devices too. After finishing blackstone i want to expand this project to many other devices too.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BlastOS:
I don't say it's negative to ask for source, but since when "open source" means release even if not working?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
tuxhero:

I hope you are right!

Good luck! :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
I dont think you understand why all this turned sour, it was not because we didnt get an android release or not.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
It's no sour nizzon. This project is taking a huge step forward. There is nothing wrong asking source and patp also did't do any thing wrong from starting he is been very help full warning us about the big thing we going to meet with like audio etc.. patp is a very nice guy don't hate him what every he did is for you only guy he don't you people cheated by some scammer. I must say xda community is also very very nice but it's not suitable for this type of project.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] docmehmood:
Appretiation

I really appretiates that u u guys are working on Android....

May GOD bless u.....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BlastOS:
Yes I understood.

tuxhero has brought a lot of hope, so much that it was hard to trust on. Many people didn't understand why he didn't show them code to prove he wasn't lying.

I can understand both point of view, why should be so rude and angry?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Who is rude and angry?

Again, just because some people are trying to be objective and ask questions doesnt mean they are angry.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] voileuxcool:
When think you that the project will be finish ?:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] johndox:
Most people in this thread don't have any idea what they are talking about (saying things like 'developing android', 'haters' and such nonsense

(I am too lazy to search the thread for better examples/more crap))

and although most of them neither know about the syntax of the English language nor about punctuation or using a dictionary, they all have something to say.

The result: nearly 50 pages filled by 'I love tuxhero'-followers who blindly defend him from critical questions like sect members. (Kind of funny, isn't it?).

Then there is this poll: More than 600 people voted on it and I bet, less than 1% of the people who did, knew what they were doing ('Oooh, cute, a poll, let's participate. Mmmhm, tuxhero voted for 2.6.29. Well then. I vote for it, too.').

If you like this kind of people, who don't think for themselves and blindly follow their 'leader', then this is ideed a nice community.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
@johndox

even if you don't mean myself personally, have you ever thought about the fact that this forum is full of people from all over the world with a motherlanguage that's not english? And i, personally, don't care about 100% correct english because i know i make mistakes but i also know that people which motherlanguage's english understand me. that's what counts for me. and i think i'm not alone with this opinion.

But why are you talking about language or mistakes? Even if there are mistakes, i havn't had any problem to understand what's written here... :confused:

PS.: I've used dict.leo.org for this reply. :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sevensheaven:
It's simple..iff there are no mistake's there is no right..iff there is no right..it's one big mistake.

I mean wtf does it matter how people write..the thing is that other people understand what they mean..and iff not ..just ask what the writer means.

but on toppic again please..the is all about android,and i find that the developers are doing a very great job,and i realy hope they wil continue,because it's very nice to use linux/android on the blackstone.

regards stef
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
Are you aware, my friend, that you are describing about 90% of American high school students.

How many languages do you speak by the way? English is a second or third language for most of the members here. This is a technical forum not an English literature forum so I find your criticism on the use of the English language totally inappropriate for the thread subject, sorry.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dfuel:
@Mr cr2

Please mind you language. Windows 7 is developed at Microsoft IDC. Pentium Processor was developed by an Indian. zero (0) was discovered by an Indian, which is root of computer technology. this list goes on on....

Please never talk about other countries. tuxhero is working and provide his update in his first post. still many members are asking about updates. he keep on saying in his first post, that he can't say exact date. he is hacking a device with least information. can you say in how many days you can hack a new device and port other os. He was inviting Kernel developers, I guess not even a single kernel developer extended his wish to help in developing. when he is working alone, I feel there is no need to share unstable code with common users. common user like me want a working code. so we are waiting for working code.

I think tuxhero may release his fist alpha in 10 - 15 days. good luck @tuxhero

****I don't want to hurt any one. I am just asking every on to respect other people and there country***
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Oh sweet jesus here we go again...

Nothing cr2 said was racist. Nothing he said implied that tuxhero or by extension, Indians, were bad coders.

Why can't you people actually think before you respond with this bandwagon-jumping tripe?

*sigh*
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] johndox:
@Rumbi

@sevensheaven

@makbil

You didn't get my main point, did you?

English is not my first language either, but that is not important.

The point is, that most people write pure **** with regard to content. (the hater-shouters and tuxhero-fanboys e.g.)

With the bad language, they just cap it all.

And if you don't want to fit into this pattern, you'd better comment on the main point I made ;)

hf
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cvchetan:
well cr2 might not hav said nething racist from his point of view.

but if this is the case then his selection of words such as " THIRD WORLD COUNTRY'S" does give a hint towards racism.

and for people commenting on language,,

there are people who excel in english, that does not mean the others cannot speak english..

as long as you can express and other can understand its fine whether its english or not..

and let this thread be more leading towards android rather than unhappy scenario's

best wishes to all
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Personally i think its kinda scary to see how credulous many of you are.

I certainly do not trust everything that is written on the internet if it cant be backed up. Seen way too much BS for that.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Imperium:
Maybe a weird question, but for some of us checking back all the time for the progress; can you give an estimate in % in how much complete the project is for a serious beta version?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ferrarezi:
Excellent project!!!

when a final version is available, I will make a generous donation :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cr2:
Blaming poor internet connection, slow computers and other evil conspiracies for not

fulfilling the contractual obligations, telling that everything written by other companies

is the "worst code i have ever seen" is not limited to one race. It's a social and economic

problem anywhere in the world.

I have something for the "indian pride" faction here. Post the working kernel code and

android code to be on par with your great countrymen.

All that i have seen so far is the port of existing 2.6.27 code for HTC Raphael, already written

by a real international team.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cr2:
I don't see tuxhero as a competitor. Publicly admitting to possess and use the stolen

windows driver code is unacceptable (at least here in Germany).

For "making fun of someone on a personal basis", you should check the beginning of this thread, and the irc postings of tuxhero. Calling somebody a "monkey" for helping all existing

linux ports to many htc phones since 4 years by a person who has zero credentials in this

area, is something you should think about. Linux was always a community project,

and exactly that property made it so popular and successful.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Every one who questioned me and criticized me got there answers you will also get your answer very soon but i must say my answer for the above message will be very very very very nice than answer for patp.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I am not like you cr2 for me getting work done as soon as possibly is important.

I don't relay care if it is stolen or some thing else... Many people in this forums use

Application from other device or some leaked software in there ROM's that's also some type of stealing is it also unacceptable? According to HTC Porting Linux into there Devices is also no legal then why are you doing it for 4 years.

Please underestimate anyone and don't think you are great if you are great there will be some one greater than you. Do you know one thing cr2 i already proved that i am

greater than you wondering how?? I made you to visit my project daily and made you to show how jealousy you are abt me by all your posts. That's show everything.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Every single time you post in response to someone attacking your lack of code visibility you seem to push yourself further and further away from anyone who's actually capable of helping you out.

Ugh, I really wish I knew enough about kernel hacking help with this - at least then I could argue about this and have a leg to stand on
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] joycey:
what the hell is going on in this forum?!? I check back here regularly to see what progress has been made in anticipation of a working beta etc and the majority of this thread is filled with *****ing between several people over ****e! can we just please keep it to what this thread was designed for instead of whinging about race, religion & whether or not tuxhero isactually doing anythig. I'm sure all this distraction is actually delaying the inevitable beta.

please leave tuxhero get on with his project.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
@daniel.hunt

i personaly don't like cr2 at all i don't know why but if i see his post my anger goes to

MAX level. After i got wince audio drivers first thing i did is went to #htc-linux and said them but they simply rejected said we don't want. What i am trying to do it exactly what cr2 is doing porting linux to all possible device but my way of doing things is very different from them. That's why we both can't get together.