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[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
I want a good device, that's what I want.

So the CPU amount I don't care when it all works.

I want to see WM 6.5 and X2 in action.

If it's great, I take it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Gilg@mesh:
well tell me what you think the different will be between this great cooked custom WM 6.5 ROM's and the WM 6.5 in the X2 if let's say both have exactly the same CPU??
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Exactly! Those features, plus the new OS on the same processor...... hm.....get it?

Unless the 6.5 is less cpu hungry than the 6.1.... or the 8.1mp or the other stuff. Ha! The cpu in the X1 IS NOT powerful enough for the phone, let alone an upgrade...

The Toshiba argument is irrelevant as poetryrocksalot pointed out.

Lets not fool ourselves and be reasonable. If the X2 has the same processor (or even slightly better) it will be the joke of the century. That device is a processor power hungry monster even more than the X1 is.
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
I think one thing that will help is if Sony Ericsson exposed the 3D/Open GL capabilities (ie. hardware video/3d acceleration) then the performance should "feel" better because we all know HTC never exposes that functionality on it's devices.
[XPERIA X1 General] njao:
if you want another device buy another device... i thought this thread was for x2 not to flame on it and talking about buying some other **** phone...

and who cares about the CPU if its optimized its optimized... if its not to bad... but i dont think they will do the same mistake twice...

plus look at all the other phones out there tell me one phone which has its successor being 2 times better or even 3 times better then the first... tell me one! this is how the phone business works! if they where to put all the things you look for 1 ghz CPU 1 gig ram 64 GB rom 4 inch oled screen 12 megapixel camera your 1000 bucks wont go far!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] orb3000:
I wonder if will be build by HTC as the actual model:confused:
[XPERIA X1 General] njao:
a take on the x2 vs x1

X2 pros over X1

Tv out.

flushed screen.

its lighter 115 grams.

it seems to have better 3d graphics.

winmo 6.5.

8.1 mpix camera.

3.2 inch screen.

Equalizer.

youtube application out of the box.

DNLA certified.

Accelerometer.

The keyboard.

Stereo Speakers.

A new and much improved Panel manager, and a lot of new panels.

Navi keys and CTRL.

Better video support.

interface looks way more fluid with smooth transitions not nearly as laggy as the X1 (when the X1 first got official). and its not released yet so it will be even more solid on that front when its released.

Cool new led notifications.

Bluetooth 2.1.

X1 Pros over X2

Phone memory...

and arguable better design... (i personally really like the new design of the X2)

CPU might be the same... but the fact that it looks more smooth and fluid in its UI even though its winmo 6.5 and they say the video playback is much better there might be a chance that there is a faster CPU in the X2 lets hope!!! and even if it is the same CPU who cares!!! if they can manage to make it run without lag i for one wouldn't care what CPU they use?!?!

all of these pros as small as putting in a equalizer to as big as the new camera makes it for ME worth buying the X2.
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
no, the X2 is built by a subsidiary of Foxconn

no, the X2 is built by a subsidiary of Foxconn

no, the X2 is built by a subsidiary of Foxconn

no, the X2 is built by a subsidiary of Foxconn

no, the X2 is built by a subsidiary of Foxconn

no, the X2 is built by a subsidiary of Foxconn
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Seriously the Samsung Epix has a 630 MHz processor..... that's 100 million something more thinking power per second. So why cant an X2 have a slighter upgrade?
[XPERIA X1 General] bharat4ever:
anyone can speculate a release date?
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
Thanks, good to know it can be enable/disabled at will.
[XPERIA X1 General] netnerd:
paying another 700$ for 0.2" bigger screen? you wont notice the different from 3" !

better camera? how often do you take pics?

is it worth 700$ for these small upgrades?

i'm not buying this crap unless it got 1G cpu!
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
can anyone confirm or deny if we lost backlight on the keyboard. the new one looks like they keys wouldn't wear out as fast as the x1's did. but i really liked the backlighting on the keys. and hope it's still there..
[XPERIA X1 General] megg:
from the official site: "it will be released in 3 month...." :(
[XPERIA X1 General] sx1-doc:
where is the dpad is x2??? i love x1 dpad with the optical mouse .

why take out dpad ....

anyway maybe i should wait for another slider .
[XPERIA X1 General] flippy_tv:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/02/sony-ericsson-xperia-x2-first-hands-on/

check out the video inside. the new X-panel is awesome, if they have faster CPU than 528mhz, sure my wallet will fly out for SE again.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
well i dont think its worth the £500+ for this phone (in u own a x1) but maybe i can complain about my x1 cracking (4 times so far, it probably be 5 by the time the x2 is released) and get it as a replacement.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
And I say wait and see. I will not whine here.

Why the hell Toshiba argument is irrelevant?

You guys behave like hurt ladies to be honest.

I mean it's ok - if the device will under-perform, I will agree,

but you didn't even touch it yet but have so much to say.

Maybe you have too much spare time ;-)
[XPERIA X1 General] imperiallight:
For a device coming out in three months its a joke, specs wise. Reminds me of the 3GS release.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
the 3gs almost double its ram (from 3g to 3gs) and had a lot better cpu (cortex-a8 600mhz. the 3g had a underclocked 400mhz non-cortex-a8 cpu).

thats a lot better then the x1 to x2. the x2 has no more ram than the x1, no more rom space (seems like less rom space than the x1 after the oem stuff is installed) and the same cpu (no one has confirmed this officially)
[XPERIA X1 General] Chaosstorm:
The QMSM 7200A could only handle up to 6 mega pixels how can this phone get 8.1??!! ( read it in the spec sheet.. )

Seems your knowledge is a joke :P 3GS was a good release but the 2g to 3g was a joke instead......
[XPERIA X1 General] Chaosstorm:
double post..
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Great post.

If this processor indeed supports only up to 6mpx, so how the hardware may be the same? Maybe it's not then?

Also agree: 3GS is a good release, just 3G was a joke compared to 2G.
[XPERIA X1 General] netnerd:
if X1 got 1G cpu,

y are they not mention it on their spec?

they mention all other stuffs, y not rave about the 1G cpu?

unless it doesnt have it!
[XPERIA X1 General] the_black_dragon:
possibly to force exact this speculations and discussions which making the device much more interesting and possibly they come with a big surprise on the release........

the X1 had 256MB of RAM and that is more than enough for WM6.5 isnt? why do they rise it up? possibly for winmobile 7? than it MUST have a newer GPU(!) due to GL ES 2.0 support......

but what if the CPU is nearly the old one but with a newer GPU?....... cause there ar 3 highend smartphone chipsets coming atm.....

Cortex A-8 but this one was only in iPhone and Symbian devices yet (i8910, Satio).......

Snapdragon with up to 1GHz but takes a lot of power........

both have an ARMv7 based core.......

but there is only one smartphone chipset wich has amazing power but has an old ARMv6 CPU in combination with a GPU by NVidia....... and thats the tegra Chipset........ see wikipedia and search tegra than you will find that its based on an 600MHz ARMv6 CPU core.........

and tegra would be the best what SE can do with it........

this would also explain the laggy windows mobile startmenu and the slow program starts cause of missing hardware accelleration for the windows surface........ but these good and smooth animations and videos in DVD resolution.......
[XPERIA X1 General] Mopral:
I don't think X2 will have more powerfull CPU or tegra

The X2 will use BST41 battery and battery life seems good according to GSMarena...

So I bet X2 will have the same old CPU than the X1
[XPERIA X1 General] Cheeze[iT]:
hmm same CPU but 40% faster? Is that cause of the new WinMo 6.5? If so couldn't you just port that onto the X1 and it should be the same performance minus like the new cameras and tv-out etc etc.... ?
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
http://xperiancers.com/2009/09/03/some-requested-specs-for-the-xperia-x2/

Good news regarding hardware acceleration, but its still the freaking 7200A!
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I loled.

laughter......o.p.t.i.m.i.z.e.d.....laughter

Massive facepalm.

Indeed. What's with the 8.1mpx whoring going on? Only professional photographers need more than 5 and I doubt a professional would bother with a phone cam (unless he is of those idiots trying to compsose music on an iCrap lol).

It's all about the hardware of the cam people. 5mpx with a good receptor beats these 8mpx or 12mpx abominations any day.

I have seen enough. No ammount of suggarcoating will change the facts.

Where else?

If BMW made a 1000hp engine and put it in one of their cars and then an unknown chinese car manufacturer did the same, would the results and comparison between the two be relevant?

We have the facts infront of us and can make more than an educate guess about the other stuff.

So, crApple (the world leader in selling the same device over and over) has done better than SE? God damn it...

My thoughts exactly. If it had a big ass cpu, they would have put that in the first line of speech during the unveiling.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
LOL

I will wait for the TP3 or the X4 thank you. Maybe another WinMo phone with good specs will surface as well.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Yes they would!
[XPERIA X1 General] spine6:
I read somewhere that X2 will be upgraded from WM 6.5 to WM 7 when it will be release? Is that true??
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
the x1 is hardware acceleration, thats how the panel manager works. it seems to be the same gpu too as it only does openGL ES 1.0 and not 2.0
[XPERIA X1 General] netnerd:
i'm a ex Sony X1 user, after i used Acer F900 with big 3.8" screen, X1 screen is so small! it' more comfortable looking at the 3.8" screen!

X2 with 3.2" screen, you wont notice the different from X1 with 3" screen!

Acer S200 ( F1 ) is 2X better then my current Acer F900.

Acer F900 with 256rom/128ram, 533mzh cpu.

Acer S200 with 512rom/256ram, 1G snapdragon!

this is what i want! S200 with 1G cpu and 3.8" wvga!
[XPERIA X1 General] Master_H:
That was rumored like the faster CPU and the 3.5 inch Amoled. If the X2 really does only have the Qualcomm 7200A with 528 Mhz I'm pretty sure that there also won't be any official WM 7 update for the X2.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
It is kinda sad actually... I wish you luck in life. You WILL need it.

Yup.

I prefer 4 inch, but 3.8 is still peefect. I will keep dreaming. If only SE had some collecrive brains to put those Acer specs in the X2...

Anyway, I want to know one extremely important thing that has no info about.

Is there USB host capability in the X2's usb port???
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Would be nice if you'd leave your personal comments aside boy.

Rather care for yourself and speak on topic.
[XPERIA X1 General] raudo:
to nevermind:

1. Does the X2 weigh 155 or 115gr? There are lots of conflicting reports... :confused:

2. Is it out on Oct.12 in Europe? :rolleyes:

Thanks.
[XPERIA X1 General] Gilg@mesh:
http://xperiancers.com/2009/09/03/some-requested-specs-for-the-xperia-x2/

GIVE A COMMENT!
[XPERIA X1 General] comeradealexi:
Ooooh the x1 didnt have "3D hardware acceleration through OpenGL ES 1.0" did it????
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
I didn't think it did because HTC never provides the correct drivers for their Qualcomm-chipset based devices.

However, playing the Xtrakt game, led me to believe differently. Not to mention, they exposed OpenGL ES 1.0 a while ago in the latest XPERIA Panels SDK.
[XPERIA X1 General] comeradealexi:
I thought it was disabled on the Quall chip or something too??

still as long as its gunna be a smoother and nicer xperience
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Fixed thar one for you. It seems you forgot to add a name there.

@ nevermimd

Does it have usb host?
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
If you always have to have the last word, take it.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
As long as I don't use wishful thinking to prove my arguments, I will be ok.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Suggestion for me? Thanks.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
You are most welcome.

NO
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
I was a bit sarcastic...
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
I am not much aware of the type of d-pad (or the thing similar to d-pad) that there is on X2.

Can anyone please clarify if when the phone is in a Media Player (like Pocket Player or WMP), can I press it "left" and "right" to go "previous" and "next" song? Can I press "up" and "down" to change the player volume? Or this is just to scroll through icons or items as I believe I saw on the videos (like a touch thing, but not to press)?

I know this may be a dumb question, but I still use the Kaiser, which looks to have a very different system, and I have never played with anything similar to the X2. Thanks.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Xperia X1 can do that......
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
Yes, thanks. But their "d-pads" (or whatever) seem different, don't they?
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
I have an X1 and I know it works.
[XPERIA X1 General] MrLeche:
It's already on the SE site. I'm a little excited though I wonder, will it be HTC made? And will it crack as well? My X1 still hasn't been repaired to this day! :D
[XPERIA X1 General] ipporek:
Hasn't it been mentioned repeatedly that it ain't gonna be made by HTC but by Foxconn? As for my X1, well, it's been to the service centre 4 times already. And probably gonna have to make one more trip there due to not-so-sensitive keys.
[XPERIA X1 General] D-SouthWest:
The music playback controls will appear on the display when activating the media player.

Peace
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
You mean there will be no hardware control?
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
You should have taken it seriously...

Why not? There have been hardware controls in all the previous phones?
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
I was trying to clarify his comment as the experience of controlling Media Players through the screen or through hardware buttons is different.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Well this is even a better joke.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Ok.

The joke's on you.
[XPERIA X1 General] MrLeche:
My bad. Been busy working this few months. Foxconn? Isn't that the company that makes internal modems? I think I'm gonna wait a few months after it's release.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I think neverming got caught lol :D. C'mon dude, tell me if it has a usb host capability. None of tne reviewers think it's important enough to be mentioned.
[XPERIA X1 General] MrMiyagi:
Custom ROMS

So, Foxconn are going to be building the X2. Does this mean we won't be seeing any custom ROMS for it on xda-devs?

Personally I hate the panels, and the thing that makes my X1 rock is Touch-X 10.1.

If I'd had to live with the shipped ROM the phone would've gone on eBay in a couple of weeks.

Cheers.
[XPERIA X1 General] c45e:
and the price is ...... £604.99 for your x2 unlocked.

source:

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=187341

way to expensive, they really don't care about loyal customer do they.
[XPERIA X1 General] bronx:
who cares about it??? http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=186949 I am leaving win mo this year. :rolleyes: ... however, x1 is going to stay on the shelf. just in case... ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Hehehe... I'm staying!

Considering how supported WM is around the globe.....

Today was announced 30millions if iPhones sold.

Would never believe.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Plenty of stupid people eh?

P.S. iPhone = FAIL (too lazy to post a picture)...
[XPERIA X1 General] bronx:
oh I am soooo God damn tired of this guy's comments... basicly, if I understand him properly, every person with an iphone (doesn't matter why it was chosen) is a pathetic idiot. imho on any other boards this guy would be warned and banned for such a hatery and offensive approach. :mad:
[XPERIA X1 General] gundamboy:
I had an iphone, X1, Blackberry Bold, Nokia n82 all at the same time.

Sold everything except my X1 because I love it so much :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Jasand:
Totally agree,

There is no need for such nasty comments, my friends have iphones and to be honest im jelous cause theirs are not stuck in a repair center for most of the contract period.

Damn X1 is driving me insane, but for some reason i cannot let go of it. just cant believe i have sent it back multiple times already.

(no doubt we will get some kind of response that is not needed :rolleyes:)
[XPERIA X1 General] frive:
Doesn't his signature contradict his Iphone statements?
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Yeah dudes, that guy is totally annoying, how can he be so.............. OH, WAIT!

damn.....
[XPERIA X1 General] augie7107:
I have seen orelsi and bronx post some rather direct comments but that is what makes this and other forums great.

Honest opinions aired out.

No one says agreeing is mandatory.

I can appreciate people stating their thoughts regardless of the subject.

Think about the demographics represented here.

Numerous people, cultures, views and methods of delivering those views.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Yeah we are all different... I disagree on Orelsi on many things about phones and yet I agree on him on the perfect phone. The world is diverse.
[XPERIA X1 General] ncee:
75 pages! damn... what a waste ot time! I dig the ***** fighting that goes on in this forum keep it up guys, especially Orelsi (just dissapppointed that u used n95 :/ ). Personally I don't see a reason in getting X2 if processor's the same. I'll stick to X1, hopefully with similar specs, processor wise, X2's software can be ported to X1, so no point, only thing I miss is TVout and stereo speakers. X1's size and controls is almost perfect for me so I'll stick to it until Xperia X5 (what a beaut!). To any SEe xecs that's been reading this forum: Here's a big F*** U! for wasting our time with the X2 if processors the same and what's up with the design! Pls get ur act together otherwise u'll lose another loyal supporter (since 1997).

This is my 1st winmo phone and I'm loving it, I always wanted a winmo device and thanks to the the guys here on xda, I'm sold. A HUGE THANX to everyone here, especially to itje.
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
what? You mean the leak? Oh no, still have the X2, got another and final version.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_ericsson - "October 1, 2001".. Time machine?

Anyway, losing one customer and getting another - one person there or away, no difference. So fine, buy another brand, so or so it's one factory somewhere in Chian, same for all brands, dude! Nobody needs support.. it's just electronics brand for christ sake! Support your family, girlfriend. But not a piece of electronics.

I think nobody is interested in crying on forums that you will leave, etc. I think SE users are the most arrogant in forums, most radical and so on and always write open letters. How pathetic... Makes me always wonder why is it like that. Coz even crappy companies like Sagem or MTK don't solve such problems... No offence to anybody

well don't know how about you, but ask the others - did they got any informations, pictures? Or do they think all the 75 pages were just waste of time?

There is one saying in here: "better sparrow in your hand, than a pigeon on the roof"
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
which version on 6.5 are they using on the final version. i dont understanding releasing the old 6.5 when the new ons have the finger friendly menus/buttons.
[XPERIA X1 General] Mopral:
Maybe because some people (like me) found these big buttons ugly...
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
my point being that either microsoft will release the new version as 6.7 or all 6.5 devices will have a slightly different version of 6.5, what will make things confusing and could cause some problems with 6.5 software, depending on the changes in each build.

i would prefer if the x2 had the newest build when it gets released, instead of a build that is months out of date.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I find this thread quite useful.

LOL'd

Well, N95 is still one of the best handheld devices on the market. That should speak volumes about its quality.

LOL'd

W00t nevermind is back haha! Where were you? People were getting restless haha :D.

You didn't answer my question... Does the X2 have USB host capability, in other words, is the USB port powered or not? Can I put a flash drive in for the phone to read it?
[XPERIA X1 General] emuneee:
The latest WM6.5.X build aren't very stable (or usable). There is a txt msg bug in 23047. Sony Ericsson has to support these devices so it's easier to choose a build thats older, but far more stable and usable than the latest builds. Not to mention, with the rate of development on the latest WM6.5.1 builds it would be hard to put a device out that includes it.

I don't think any of the devices launching on Oct. 6 will have the latest WM6.5.X build for these reasons.

I'd love SE to prove me wrong though! :)
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
Loooong holidays, dude :) Said it before few pages earlier :) No problem at all

And about the USB Host - didn't work for me, so I think there is no usb host.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Good about the vacation :), but bad about the USB host :(. My next device must have it, it is not something I can overlook :(.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
i just dont get if the original 6.5 roms (which i though were the officially to be released one on the 6 onwards) why does microsoft keep bring out new builds with design/button and finger friendly changes? why not just focus on wm7. as its just going to make things strange when one wm6.5 user has the standard 6.5 rom and one has the new finger friendly 6.5 rom. just seems like a bad way of doing things.

the only 2 things i can think of why they are doing it is:

1. they will release 6.7 as they know wm7 wont be complete any time soon.

2. i have heard that microsoft wants to do updates like they do on pcs (i think this was on wm7) where it adds new features/changes to improve the rom without having to install a new rom like we have to do now. maybe they will bring this out earlier on wm6.5 and make it update the changes.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
why do u need a usb host? if your at home u could just connect it to your pc and if u have a 16gb sd card wont u have enough space on the phone? also is there any micro usb stuff (sticks etc) that u can buy?
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Why should I copy something to the PC and then to the phone when I can transfer it directly to the phone. Much faster (one transfer instead of two) and more convenient (no need of a "bridge" device, can be done anywhere).

What if I'm not at home and there is no PC nearby? What if I want to transfer pics from my DSLR to my phone? I can just put the USB stick or adapter into the phone and transfer anything, anywhere :).

16gb is nothing for me :(. My card is full and I carry my old 8gb with me as well (also full). But that is not the point. I don't need it for extra storage, I need it for flexibility and connectivity. I can get some documents from a colleague without going to his/my office. Just transfer them on the spot....... and many more examples...

I got plenty of these:

...and a female one for flash drives...
[XPERIA X1 General] Mopral:
Yes but the pictures show miniUSB and X2 has microUSB...
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Uh..... Yeah, because I got a X1 not X2 and the X1 has miniUSB... Maybe you missed the "I got" part.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
so if i connect one end to my x1 and to my camera, they should recognize each over? like a external storage?
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Exactly.

If it doesn't work or if you don't have the right adapter for the connector you can always pull out the SD/Memory Stick/etc. insert it into a mini card reader and connect that to the phone. The possibilities are endless.