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[Off-topic] tehtrk:
My wife has an iphone 3g (non "S" lol), and I have my old faithful Hermes100.

To eliminate any perception of bias, here's my home. My server, 2 personal comps, and my two work comps all run linux, I have an old imac that serves as a bedside entertainment center (50 pound fancypants dvd player) and iphone sync'r, and my firewall runs FreeBSD. The only Windows I run is either paravirtualized or on my phone. I can't wait to make my linux HTPC and linux car-puter.

I think I would rather have HTC's latest slicker-than-snake-s**t WinMo phone over apple's latest anything anyday. Unless cost was no option, in which case I'd have both. Obviously a phone that could run *nix, or windows mobile, or (heh) iphone's OS would be the most attractive to me. I don't think I'll see that happen anytime soon.

When she first got her iphone, I told her I was going to need to jailbreak it to be able to install an openvpn client so she could access stuff at home remotely. At least with Windows Mobile I could write a hello world, compile it, and run it on my phone right out of the box. Oh, and I can cancel my data plan if I want to.

Freedom - gotta love it :)
[Off-topic] x86:
Easy answr!

No customization, not for real geeks, its just a pretty looking mp3 player and phone.

not for biz users, plus who the heck PAYS for these apps? I mean who would buy a twitter app for iphone that is free for every other phone? that there is reason enough not to change for me.

If i were changing it would be android, but i would still be on htc devices and have WinMo as y 'other' or vice versa.

iPhone is a yuppie phone for multimedia lovers, thats it!
[Off-topic] zeezee:
HTC will keep me from switching to apple (eww). I've never really liked Apple in the first place.
[Off-topic] galaxys:
WM, HTC, & XDA will keep me happy! :)

Iphone not my cup of tea. :p
[Off-topic] Lordsmiff:
I've just converted to android this morning - dumping my WinMo crap now because I *love* my new G1.

There's some nice touches borrowed from the iphone but it feels a little less wrapped in cotton wool than an iphone...but not quite as edgy and unstable as a WinMo device :)

Smiffy.
[Off-topic] Dreddge:
I do not enjoy having EVERYTHING ruled by Apple. You have to pay for ringtones (Android allows you to make them on the phone). Most of the apps are paid apps on the Iphone. The G1 may not do everything that the iphone does, but the things it does do, it does better than the iphone. I will admit, I sometimes have apple envy when Im messing with my friends iphone, but it fades quickly when I hear him ***** about not being able to tether (without a $60 plan), or about having to use crappy ringtones, or not having a landscape keyboard, or countless other things.

I do think that the iphone is sexier, and I know that it has alot of cool accessories (I love the ifrogz).

However until Apple is a little less vigilant about keeping things locked up tightly. I will stick with my G1, and I will stick with my Zune.
[Off-topic] Sho'nuff:
Good post Dredge. Ii agree there are some nice things about the iPhone. The slimness compared to the Pro but the slide out keyboard makes up for that! The iPhone does rule in one thing though and that's the web browsing. It is exactly like on a computer where the Sprint phones, up UNTIL the Pre , where not easy to navigate. I went and played with the Pre and it is likke the iPhone as far as ease of use with the web. I wish the Pro would release an update to make web browsing better. We'll see. But the HTC whips the iPhone is everything else!
[Off-topic] eaglesteve:
Dredge,

I completely agree with you hardware wise. Only Apple's can make the handset that run this wonderful OS. So, there is no reason for HTC, Samsung, LG, Acer and the rest to want it to succeed. In fact, it is natural for any of those hardware supporter to hate iPhone. Supporting iPhone would tentamount to closing their own smartphone business completely.

However, your perception regarding inability to change and add free ringtone is not accurate. I can get countless free ones. Also, most applications on Applestore are very very cheap or free. Of course, Cydia applications are also mostly free.

Before 3.0, landscape keyboard is not globally available and had to be achieved with third party software (e.g., in email and SMS). This of course will change with OS3.0.

Tethering is possible already with jailbroken phone. With non-jailbroken new iPhone, it is the Carrier who's disabling it, and not the limitation of iPhone itself. AT&T really need to raise its bar! I think the backlash against it would grow, and rightly should.

BTW, is AT&T not placing similar restriction for G1 customer?
[Off-topic] beakybal4:
erm... MONEY lol i got my XDA for free and the iphone is very expensive for what it is, lol.
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Is not just about money....

It is much more than that

It´s a way of thinking an attitude...

It has been discussed sooooo many times

And people does not understand, why coming to a WM/HTC forum and talk about that product, what is the point??

Just my opinion, no ofenses to anyone
[Off-topic] optional106:
The Iphone 3GS does look really nice, but its still too similar to the regular 3G.

You cannot deny that it does look very good.

I've been on the xda O2 atom exec for 3 yrs now, with new updated OS every few months from some of the excellent devs / rom cookers here.

Functionality has been better than the original Iphone for a long time, as you can get much more done with a WinMo phone.

It may not be as flashy, but it gets it done.

Anyway with all the news and openess of the Palm Pre, unlock codes and dev mode and games that you can port over to it, the community for the Pre is really kicking off now.
[Off-topic] playdo:
Every f***ing IDIOT has an iPhone :mad:

So I will never, NEVER use one of these.

I will never let a OS tell me what to do and not to do.

It's just me, who controls the phone, not vice versa!

The iPhone is making me a bit angry, i think :D
[Off-topic] Blowfish64:
That's a pretty dumb reason not to own one. Most people have a computer too. You should go ahead and give that up. And food.
[Off-topic] chris10230:
Maybe he doesnt want to be a sheep?? and have what every has due to it being "cool and the in thing to have".

In my mind the iphones are great smart phones, for people who DONT want to tweak and spend time playing with their device. Then there also will always be people who do and therefore wont get one due to it.

In some ways im glad that we wont have apple fan boys on this site as it would make for some very heated discussion...
[Off-topic] Aisorik:
Wouldn't he only be a sheep if he bought one because it was "cool and the thing to have"?

I personally would love to have an iphone or high-end winmo phone, I'm actually unsure to whether to get a Touch Pro/Diamond 2 or LG incite + jailbroken ipod touch. I favor media playback and sound quality, but also want great functionality.
[Off-topic] NoWorthWhile:
I second that...

I've got a bunch of friends who have got the iPhone, both 2G & 3G. I've got the chance to play with them a little bit. First experience? Yeah, the OS is pretty fluid. But that's about it, that's what I took out of it.

But what makes me laugh more than anything, is this : All these friend of mine got their iPhone, because "everyone" else had one. And even funnier, they use it only to text & call.

What's the point of buying an 800 euro with full-internet access, full multimedia, and not use those abilities?

iPhone will always be for "everyone". WinMo, it's for all the few ones who are willing to put a little time into their phones, to make them behave like TRUE PORTABLE PERSONAL COMPUTERS.

That's just my point of view. Diamond FTW =)
[Off-topic] derekwilkinson:
Hardware keyboard... I need a hardware keyboard. All the softkeyboards I've been using just... suck. I tried the Touch Pro, and loved the keyboard :D
[Off-topic] telegraph0000:
The definitive answer that will close this thread

My wife.

Thank you.

This thread no longer has my interest. You may close it.

Besides, I love my Fuze...even though it's giving me this issue...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=527301

Doesn't matter...the phone part is the least used option anyways...
[Off-topic] sguerra923:
Does anyone even have anything good to say about the new iphone? lol
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Delete thread

Ohh no! here we go again:eek:

At least OP requested to close thread:D:D
[Off-topic] zoomee:
heheh

The Iphone 3GS is only just catching upto the Touch HD which has been out since last year.....
[Off-topic] sguerra923:
Has anyone even tried out the demo of the 3GS? What are your thoughts?
[Off-topic] ingerasu:
brand new gadgets will be released soon after 3GS
[Off-topic] orb3000:
Delete thread

LOL

Nice ones ingerasu:D:D
[Off-topic] -PiLoT-:
i like the iron one
[Off-topic] addicus:
My computer idiot Apple Sheep brother in law is talking his mom into buying the new Iphone 3GS. She is a freaking computer idiot. She gets pissed off because her Yahoo mail account logs her out every 2 weeks and she doesn't know what to do to get logged in.

I would never send her to a WinMo device (she's a computer idiot). Still she doesn't listen to music (has extra keen hearing), doesn't watch movies or go on the internet. She wants it for email. I told her to get a blackberry and she got pissed. I told her she is going to pay too much for the data plan and get a phone she has no need for, but she is sold by the bs. She thinks it will be easy to use. She's an computer idiot - no ppc will be easy to use.

That's one reason why I won't buy the damn phone. These are the people who are buying it. These are the people constituting the community. The geniuses are creating the product for the clones and idiots to use - which is brilliant because there are more idiots and clones than anyone else.

I like having the ability to customize. I enjoy learning. My phone does everything I ask it which is a lot.

I listen to music and write songs at the same time. I watch videos (storage card and online). I go online (yeah Opera Mobile 4.2 and JZ Browser). I write long essays like this on message boards (yeah hardware keyboard).

I do all this on a Tytn (8525). I have a really hard time thinking I'd be dissappointed if I had an TP, TP2, Diamond or HD which are light years beyond the device I'm using. All I know is 99% of the things my brother's IPhone does (updated to 3.0 software) is all the things my discontinued phone has been doing for many year either out of the box and surely after flashing.

Apple is doing great. Like I said - smart people are making "smart phones" for dumb people. WM Phones are intimidating. Apple phones are inviting. The scary thing is who the Apple phone is inviting.
[Off-topic] chris10230:
Well said addicus prety much my view that a lot of people get one for the hype of having an iphone and pushed by the media saying its the best thing out there.

Also this thread needs to be renamed as apple have now renamed the 3G S to 3GS. Its true!!!! But who changes the name of a product after launch??
[Off-topic] fooldog01:
Whats keeping me is the data requirement. I dont need a data plan and its $30 a month. I would never purchase anything made by Apple though so I guess that's kind of a lie but to me thats the biggest drawback.
[Off-topic] slick69:
Get with the times. What's the point of a smartphone if you're too cheap to pay for internet :D
[Off-topic] sguerra923:
Switching over to a 3GS was the best thing I’ve done. Don’t have to worry about if this program or that program is going to work.. GPS etc works great. Stability is no question.. I’m not hating on windows phones.. Just grew tired of always flashing etc.. but MS will get it right in the next couple years.. And one more thing about the 3GS the landscape keyboard is SICK! It's like typing on a desktop keyboard! Don't flame me too much! :D
[Off-topic] lobiik:
Although I have now touch diamond for some time, it was hw keyboard on my previous phones (wizard, kaiser) that mainly keept me with wm phones. Also, 3g/hsdpa (which wasn't available with release of 1st iphone). I did use 2g and 3g iphone, but no thanks. Also, the iphone is boring.
[Off-topic] Shadow_Nexus:
Well, although iPhone is really looks nice for me, but HTC + WM +XDA are more than enough for me..

Plus, the microsoft products is so easily to customize whatever I want, and there is numerous application available (& service cr**k for it)...:D:D
[Off-topic] Digitaltigre:
I was intrigued by the video editing I kept hearing about on this new iPhone until I looked it up and found out that it's not video editing at all it's actually destructive video trimming. You CAN NOT put multiple clips together or add text or transitions or any of the things you would expect to come along with the term video editing. :confused:
[Off-topic] sguerra923:
Can you trim videos on WM phones? Isn't there program for it?
[Off-topic] ::RiL:::
simple, its an iphone :D

but the main reasons I will NEVER get an iphone are;

1, it is not a business tool

2, if I need to calculate my share of the tips I will do it in my head or on the calculator on my kaiser, I dont need a gay little app to do it for me.

3, its too expensive for what it is

4, dont really want to follow the corwd,

5, HTC keep bringing out better devices...... Touch Pro 2 anyone?

:D

Rant over
[Off-topic] sguerra923:
Just got the iphone yesterday..

All I have to say is WOW.. really liking the phone and how fast the browser and OS works.. It's like night and day changing over to the darkside lol..

I'm not hating on WM phones or anything its just something that caught my eye and works for me for my eveyday use even has some business tools that I need for work which surprised me... This phone isn't for everyone but so far for me I like.. :D

Thanks XDA for all your help through my tilt/fuze days.. I'll be around and hope my donations helped... Touch Pro 2 looks really good too for you guys!
[Off-topic] domineus:
I think photoshop for wm can XD
[Off-topic] jtoyz2:
why are there so many people posting thread about "im going to iphone", if you want to go ahead...

if you post something here then you going to receive some bashing on the iphone and after you read up on all the bashing you going to buy it anyways

if you use your wm device like most of us do you wouldnt think about switching to an iphone...

comes down to it you should already know how wm is capable of and you should know iphone is a shortcut finger phone just swipe and click on the app and close the app and open the app...

ask one of those iphone forum if you should switch from wm to iphone you get a more of an answer you looking...xda is damn WM homie
[Off-topic] slick69:
Except for the Android parts ;)
[Off-topic] SyntheticDistortion:
I will just not Switch to anything IPhone related, becuase that software is so locked down, you can't alter the sourcee code, radio's etc. etc.

That it's fast is quite allright, but so is my own Xperia with a good ROM, and with more functionality added everyday.
[Off-topic] Lokioki:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/25/iphone-3gs-gets-playstation-game-boy-advance-emulators/

^ I want same performance on WinMo.. ;_;
[Off-topic] addicus:
To keep an open mind I just read Engadgets review of the IPhone3GS. It brought up some bad feeling and memories and reminded me of why I don't want to support Apple. Media bias.

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I was made ill by all the excuses and wiggleroom Apple is given for coming out with a product that is incomplete and missing valuable functions while MS is lambasted for the same. The tone the media takes with Apple is so annoying it makes me hate the company itself.

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Where reviews of MSMobile phones are full of verbal lashings for subpar cameras, slow processors that don't multitask or render well, lackluster, missing or incomplete OS updates and cameras that are pure crap; reviews of the iPhone are just the opposite. Every weakness is either glossed over, said to hold little weight on the phones' true day to day usability or simply ignored. What makes this frustrating is unlike MS Apple actually is in control of most of these issues and are the ones to blame!

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Being a lifelong, diehard Lakers fan I have gotten to the point where the media bias has become untolerable. I guess when you enjoy true functionality while keeping the ability to customize you should be degredaded and cursed, but when you come into the game years late, create a few improvements but leave out the many common place features available you are the chosen one. In my opinion the iPhone is LeBron and MS is Kobe. LeBron is good but he still doesn't havea jumper or a post game. Plus watching him is boring with all the superstar treatment from the officials bailing him out.

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Just like in basketball the iPhone (LeBron) is good enough for my wife but not good enough for me.
[Off-topic] bugeyes:
Whats stopping me is the palm pre! :eek:

playing with the leaked sdk now seems sweet but cant find a file explorer or much else really.

May go this way but the Pre is very shallow at first glance, Wm certainly has depth and is more interesting!
[Off-topic] kujo_kjc:
bcoz i just dont like apple brand..haha..dat's y i never buy a mac, ipod, iphone etc..though their design is good but still the os is locked in many ways..wm is more 'free' n easy to customize, upgrade etc..too many things can be done with wm..:D
[Off-topic] rightintourheart:
wts keepin me 4m nt switchin???

well its kinda simple..

I LOVE Windows Mobile..

n m nt gonna betray it!!
[Off-topic] stylez:
Squares and an advertising campain that all it says is it can capture video well WinMob done that for years & what was the other thing? Oh it can copy and paste wow who ever thought of that was a "genus"

What else business men with either and isnob or a BB!!

Oh and where would i go and spend my time?

PROPRIETRY!!!
[Off-topic] denco7:
This thread title also begs the question, " what is keeping you from not switching to Macs? "

I suspect the reasons are basically the same.

By the way , I have an Intel Mac that runs OSX and Win XP. Also a Tilt and an iPhone3Gs

Fence sitter all the way.
[Off-topic] xX SPION KOP Xx:
Simple really, I love windows mobile, I never tire of customising and tweaking my HD to exactly how I want it, there are very few bounderies. This cannot be said of iphone.
[Off-topic] SyntheticDistortion:
Because it's from Apple, and i don't like apple. Furthermore the OS is so locked down that allmost no custimization is possible, so if the device screws up, you can't fix it.

and it's waaaaaaaaay overpriced thanks to the hype surrounding it. I rest my case.
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
1) I enjoy the awesome qwerty keyboards

2) I love the feel slider phones (must be landscape slider)

3) Windows Mobile supports background applications (very good for profile schedulers, 3rd party alarm clocks, time announcer, anything related to scheduling and automated apps)

4) I prefer using the stylus, but I also want to use my thumbs/fingers 100% as well but capacitive and resistive does not support that yet.

5) iPhone has a low variety of shapes and sizes

6) iPhone does not have a proper file system

7) iPhone requires itunes...wtf? Seriously we aren't that stupid, we don't need iTunes to make transferring files easy. We don't need it to download what we want. We don't need it. We know how to browse into our phone's hard drive. Apple is obviously marketing their phones towards people who don't know much about computers.
[Off-topic] custardo01:
Actually it very customisable. You do have to jailbreak so as not to get bored but then wouldn't HTC phones be boring if you could not flash a rom or dive into the registry? :)
[Off-topic] poetryrocksalot:
That's not the point...that's called skinning....it's like skinning A_C's S2U2...there is not very much to customize...

Can you change the home screen other than the Mac OS Buttons Interface?
[Off-topic] DavidinCT:
As others said, keyboard, and some other features that the iPhone does not offer.

Besides how WM 6.5 works, the biggest thing I love is if I don't like the version I am running, I can go forwards or backwards to a newer software version. Also the chance to see the newest features for WM. Something you can't do on the iPhone, they might have a update but, to change your whole OS, you need a new phone...

I always carried a PocketPC (based off Windows Moblie or past versions) and a phone, the biggest thing I hated about PDAs, is the limits of software, but, with our HTC phones, that does not appear to be a problem any more...
[Off-topic] kent1985:
Iphone is same.. no matter old or new.. is the same design.. the same size.. same all round.. sure is bored.. no uniqueness.. multitasking also not available..
[Off-topic] ai6908:
Main reason for me is MS Office. I use excel to keep track of my bills and expenses. And I dont think iphone has a comparable version! Yes there is one, but not as good as Pocket Excel.

Also, I am flashaholic! I dont think I will like a iphone, will be bored in a day! LOL:D
[Off-topic] mnet:
Smart people making "smart phones" for dumb people

that should be apple's slogan!
[Off-topic] slick69:
"Smart phones for dumb people"?
[Off-topic] stu-k:
To big

To weak

itunes

keypad

no multi task

crappy apps

everyone has one
[Off-topic] SoCalSpecialist:
winner winner chicken dinner..

and plus the fact that my new Ozone is the shiz! and for a fraction of the price i might add :D :D
[Off-topic] orelsi:
Because it's crap, that's why....
[Off-topic] stu-k:
forgot DRM, what is with that, you buy music and its not yours??
[Off-topic] erwinpiero:
Expensive,

Can't used cooked ROM,

Doesn't have qwerty keyboard :)
[Off-topic] Galvatron:
IPhone is closed archtecture. Ca we add micro SD on iPhone? :p

Well, my boss would not like it.. :p

Also in my work, ability to remote erase your phone when you lose it. (if your mail server is exchange and through that, you are part of the domain)

Up and comming for future Windows Mobile on Domain, you can "push" new apps and patches..
[Off-topic] ingerasu:
i was browsing on deviantart and found this cutey iphoney's skin

http://justflikwalk.deviantart.com/art/iVillain-Beta-128791945

:p:p
[Off-topic] gogol:
Because I want to stand in the crowd :)

I want to have a unique phone ... which I cannot have that with iPhone.

And the most important thing, I want freedom to do whatever I want to do with my phone ... without "jailbreaking" if you still dont know what I meant.

iPhone is nice, but I have strong believe when Win7 is out ... together with NVidia Tegra based device, it will be one of the best!
[Off-topic] addicus:
feedproxy.google.com/~r/Techcrunch/~3/ypYZMA5mKFw/

The FCC has an idea Apple is not being fair and competitive.
[Off-topic] mb:
It Can't Multi-task

No multi-tasking (surprised no-one is really talking about this), Profile switching, easy tethering and lack of Tom Tom.

On my WinMo Kaiser I can listen to a radio station on the other side of the world whilst using Sat Nav or doing something else. It can switch to a Vibrate or Quiet mode at a certain time of the week without any user intervention.

I'd like to see an iPhone do that!
[Off-topic] wovens:
The question is a double-negative, did you notice? And English is not even my first language! And as such, it does not deserve any answers. But my mom taught me to not reject anything given as a gift, so, if I am given one I am intelligent enough to put it to a good use( ...sell on ebay, etc...)

Cheers!
[Off-topic] chromedome2010:
for myself it's the price and the fact that they are locked to O2 in the UK, which shouldn't be aloud, what were they thinking, "hmm heres a new phone lets give it to the greediest mobile company we can" who can afford 70+ pounds a month. If I ever decide to get one it will be from Italy where they don't lock phones to a particular network.
[Off-topic] ArtieQ:
Because it basically doesn't feel so fullfilled as a HTC with WM6.1/6.5 does. It has musicplayer and internet browsing, but that's it imo. A HTC phone got so much more to offer for the money..
[Off-topic] gullum:
because no one has given me one for free.

it's just not worth the privce and it's got **** reviews from danish Mobile magazine worse then the worse HTC device got
[Off-topic] slick69:
Like what?