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[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
maati,

iPhone OS 3.0 does allow users to select which other folders along with the inbox they want to sync. Sorry to dismantle your argument.

On the subject of email, since we're here. My own opinion is that for very very sophisticated corporate users, and by that I mean people who need to sync to MULTIPLE exchange servers (Most corporate users will not need this, but Consultants working with multiple clients and business owners of a large group of companies), iPhone (and winmo devices as well) will not be able to do it at the moment. That's one area where Blackberry has a clear edge, and one of the reasons why Blackberry is having such a stronghold in the corporate emailing/calendering/contact area.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Wow, omnipotent ? LOL. Yet, whenever I give examples of things which my iPhone could do and HD can't you keep saying that you do not have those requirements so it's not important. Omnipotent, yet you're so quickly sick of your own device and wanting to change it for an Omnia. Are you going to "justify the wrong decision you made" too? Are you going to kick yourself out of this forum because Samsung Omnia is not HTC too?

Why not just admit that you, just like me, is not satisfied with HD?

Seriously, Omnia does look good. The video and camera look very nice, along with the bright screen. If I have to choose between HD and Omnia, I think Omnia will be the one chosen. Just a pity that it is still the same winmo OS underneath and having to choose from the same sets of application software still.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
@PoisonWolf;3973328,

You said HD is your first winmo phone? This probably explains why you're still adoring and worshipping winmo platform. If you cannot know what I waw talking about (e.g, DST time error, SMALL volume increment when you press the volume rocker, etc), you're also probably not reading enough of what has been posted in the Blackstone forum. Suggest you do more research and understand the device in your hand more first before continuing your aggressive tone and naive comments here.

I don't whore any devices as you put it. I'm just tired of winmo fanboys labelling anyone going for iPhone idiots/toy lovers, etc, without any basis to support their contempt. So many people thinks they're power corporate users with requirements which only winmo could satisfy, and yet when quizzed, they only use it for email, music, and some really simple task which almost any device could satisfy, though not elegantly and smoothly. I see myself as having only provided facts. I don't hesitate to admit flaws in iPhone when I see it. I won't hesitate to give it up for Palm Pre, Android, or back to WM7 when I see those as providing better platform. I just do'nt hold blind allegiance to anybody, that's all.
[Touch HD General] m.r.davies:
can i just say,

i started this thread, but i'm kinda ashamed of how its ended up

you said this, i said that, but you said that i said .........

just to update everyone, i've upgraded to to dutties 3.9

its quite quick

i bought a new screen protector which allows my finger to scroll smoothly acrooss the screen which helps

i've also configured the device to be really sensitive

i'm quite happy now, and i think i'll keep it.

however, its taken hours and hours if not days to get to a point where i'm satisfied

..... It's greatest advantage is also its greatest weakness

Iphones just "work" without spending all this time tweaking.

they are my final words, and hopefully this thread will disappear never to be seen again.
[Touch HD General] maati:
Now you're even lying to justify your purchase.... you're so ridiculous. I always said that the Touch HD can do EVERYTHING that an iPhone can do. I just said it doesn't matter to me whether there's "apps for that" or I have to do them in the browser.

I am satisfied with EVERYTHING except for the camera. That's why I will buy an Omnia II and NOT an iPhone because the iPhone's camera is even worse. Stop twisting my words!

Yes, yes he is...

Actually I WANT it to have WinMo underneath because it's so much more powerful than iPhone OS.

Don't you notice that it's those ridiculous iPhone fanboys like you who make other people label anyone going for iPhone idiots/toy lovers? People like YOU are the reason why others get the impression that all iPhone users are morons. PoisonWolf already gave you the reason:
[Touch HD General] maati:
It's because they're jealous as they bought a phone that's several years behind its competition:

- camera from 2005

- voice command feature, available on WM since 2003

- copy&paste, available on WinCE since 1996

- MMS: possible with other phones since 2004

- multitasking: possible on WinCE since 1996

- HVGA screen, outdated since 2007

- search feature, available on WinCE since I-don't-know-when

- turn-by-turn navigation, available on WinCE since I-don't-know-when

- to be continued....

In order to compensate this, they must constantly try to increase their self-confidence by going to WM and other forums and tell people about how great their iPhones are... especcially about how great the interface looks and how easy it is.

I prefer having all the features that have been standard on other phones for years over an interface that looks a bit better and is made "idiot-proof" by removing options and features.

And when they fail to prove that their iPhone is superior (because it isn't, it's only been succesful because it was the only smartphone targeted at consumers) they just twist other people's words so that they feel better.

I really liked the iPhone, it has created a huge market for consumer smartphones that has been underestimated by Microsoft, RIM and the others, and with it's easy-to-use interface it's perfect for those getting started with smartphones and those who don't need all the features that Windows Mobile phones have been offering in the business smartphone market for years. But it's still nowhere near as powerful as the real business smartphones. Apple has just started to enter the business market, while Microsoft and RIM are entering the consumer market that has been created by Apple. With Windows Mobile becoming more and more user-friendly while still providing all the features they've had before and a wide variety of hardware choices, Apple is pressurized in their consumer market, that's why they're rushing to enter Microsoft's and RIM's business market and add features like Exchange, voice command, copy&paste and navigation.

But Apple will have to do a lot more in order to stay relevant, like opening up their closed ecosystem (AppStore, iTunes, various restrictions in iPhone OS...) because all the competing systems are a lot more open (especcially Android, but also WM and WebOS).
[Touch HD General] slixter:
1. OS v OS, WinMo is several years behind the competition.

2. It's already been proven that iphone is better for music, video, email, web browsing. No need to keep rehashing this

3. Apple is perfectly relevant. It seems Microsoft is the one that is making major changes to its OS to stay relevant. WinMo7? Apple is making incremental improvements to its OS over time, Microsoft is completly redoing its OS. You seem a bit confused about this.
[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
+1 to the mods moving to 'off-topic'.

Guys its pretty obvious where this is going. We have no chance of extracting anything near a rational discussion from this thread so my suggestion would be to stop replying to the trolling and the thread will die.
[Touch HD General] root:
Well i think we are all missing the point here. The apple is MADE for bragging and this whole thread reminded me on something i have read a while ago:

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant

This one is about iphone but the first one perfectly explains all the hype around iphone.

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=iphone
[Touch HD General] Aaronc1978:
:D I laughed my arse off!
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Bought my iphone 3GS this morning and yes nothing has changed it is still better than the HD.
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
Got my iphone 3gs today. not missing the HD at all.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
Its funny how you mob need to talk crap, this is better than that blah blah, who cares what you think you seem spiteful towards the forum here for the only reason I can assume that its all far to advanced for you. If you're looking for someone to hold your hand or comfort you whilst you install snakes and ladders (or whatever other garbage useless applications are available for iphone) Im sure the iphone forums are the place for that. Infarct I have a mental image of that forum, Umpalumpas all singing and holding hands with eaglesteve at the helm I mean Steve Jobs and all his faithful pompous disciple's dressed all in white (what a surprise) planning a new release for 2011. To be continued! :D
[Touch HD General] suisen:
why are you here? why are you on an HTC fanbase, HD forum, saying you have an iPhone and it's better?

god, my dad can kick your dad's ass

people need to grow up or drop dead....or both
[Touch HD General] root:
well... the reason... :D
[Touch HD General] TBonse:
i have a HD and frankly it's got 1 thing better than the iphone (for me personally.) that is:

A keypad keyboard mode for texting. Thats ALL that i see is better htan the iphone - i regret not going for the iphone instead im stuck with this for 12months. :( Bad choice on my behalf. I want decent games and apps that make my phone interesting - even if i have to pay for them, the iphone is better by a million percent for games, it also runs faster and smoother.
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
Well said, very mature
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
The Blackstone is now very ancient hardware. It is somewhat impossible to compare it to the Pre or iPhone at this point. It is last year's news. The next iteration of it may exceed your expectations but HTC HD is already obsolete. Don't worry for another $800 you can get the next one.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
Look at the forum in which you're posting Einstein, just another goose with too much time on their hands! What seems to be the problem? because you all come across as spiteful and jealous, seriously! I doubt anybody here feels the need to go to some iphone forum to boast how much better our devices are, for the simple reason that we know its best and there's no need. Let me just add that it really is easy to stereotype you mob so just be careful before you end up branded. :D
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
Just got my iphone 3gs as a secondary phone today. :) Pretty good but not much of a jump from a 2g. For some reason i wasn't too excited this time around. I do like the quick picture taking in the new 3gs though. It's a million times better than the one on my HD. Videos are also better. Why can't HTC produce a camera this quick and easy?

All in all, if i were to rate the 3gs, I would say 8.5/10. I felt it didn't live up to the hype. Still no mms yet and the voice control is just as useless like in any other device. Other than that its a solid phone. Quick and user friendly just as ever. It's definetely "one" of the best phones around.

BTW, Whats with some of you people in here? Are you really that insecure about your iPhone that you feel the need to come to an htc based site to bash the HD? Both are really different phones and all that matters is that both phones perform very well for its own respective operating systems. Yes, Windows Mobile maybe behind the competition but the HD isn't. There is no need to dedicate your time on here solely to hate on a device. That's just plain retarded.
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
Erm, unlike you many of us are senior members. We havent just come onto this site to bash HTC/WM - we ARE or certainly were Windows Mobile users for many years. The fact that many of us have lost our patience and given up on the neglected platform speaks volumes.
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
Umm... so because I haven't posted enough on this site, I'm not qualified to be a Senior member? If you looked closely I've been registered on this site about a year before you did. So I don't see how being a senior member has to do with anything.

But I'm not here to argue, just here for reading material and tips. :)

I know how you feel though. What I want on my HD is Android. Dual boot would be even better.
[Touch HD General] Aaronc1978:
Being a senior member just means you made more than 100 posts and nothing else. The quality of these posts and the help they have been to others is not taken into account. In other words it doesn't mean jack, so don't try and throw it into the face of another member.

Also if you had actually read this thread then you would have seen that many of the posters have specifically come to bash HTC/WM. Which I think is just weird, but hey whatever.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
It is weird I absolutely agree, there is no provocation to start these threads so I/we can only make assumptions and give our opinion based on them, since I respect the forum for its vast knowledge, helpful topics and ever giving members I suggest the topic be moved to a more suitable location, such as: "I just bought an iphone and now my Im going to be a tool and verbally defecate all over the WM forums because I'm a sad pompous Yuppie dip ****"

hahahahha man I crack myself UP! :D
[Touch HD General] slixter:
Nice summary, steve. Rational and well-balanced.

Got my HD on ebay. I had to say no to 3 people who wanted to swap their Iphone 3G+cash for it. Advised them just to stick with the iphone, as they'd be looking to trade back within a week.

Feel sorry for the poor sod who buys this dated, clunky lump.
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
It's very pathetic at how protective some WinMo users are over their devices. Also how so many cannot have a civilized debate or coversation without saying how much the iPhone sucks.:(

I've come from a long line of WM powered devices, my last and back-up being the Touch HD. After owning my first iPhone 3G I can say how much more of an enjoyable experience it is. There is nothing the iPhone can't do that I needed before the switch. Honestly not sure If I'll go back to WMobile or not. This time next year I will see where WM and Apple stands with their latest and greatest devices and if WM7 can alleviate WM's shortcommings. Until then, I am going to enjoy my new 32GB iPhone 3G.:cool:
[Touch HD General] suisen:
it's not protective....it's the fact that i and probably most other user come here to get help with, stuff and info for and about Touch HD and/or other HTC or whatever devices are listed on the first forum page

so, when i come to a Touch HD forum to find infos, tweaks, applications and useful info on Touch HD which i currently own and am pleased to own, otherwise i'd get rid of it, not customize it, i DO NOT wish to see 50 pages about iPhone or Palm Pre or any other device....i would google "iPhone experiences" or "Palm Pre experiences" or reviews and be informed about iPhone and Palm Pre and all the other devices on places intended for informing interested parties about iPhone and Palm Pre and other devices

i would not look up, ask about or share with everyone and anyone how great iPhone and Palm Pre and any other device is/are on a place called "BLACKbloodySTONE aka TOUCH HD"

god
[Touch HD General] maati:
Protective? I can tell you why WM users are 'protective'. It's because iPhone fanboys are spamming every site on the internet with how great their phone is, even if people don't ask or don't care, and how it is better than other phones, even though it is not.

iPhone fanboys just can't accept that some people actually don't care about how super nice the UI looks because they need functionality that the iPhone doesn't provide.

They can't accept that features like good cameras, high resolution screens, multitasking, file exchange, bluetooth profiles, MS Exchange integration and security, physical keyboards, navigation, voice command, video recording, tethering, MMS, copy&paste, 'customizeability', freedom and choice and much more are actually a lot more important than the bling bling of a finger friendly UI to lots of people.

On the other side, WM users do not spam the internet telling people (who actually don't care) how much their phones can do. They usually accept that some people prefer a nicer UI over some features.

They only get 'protective' when iPhone fanboys spam their forums, blogs and threads about how the iPhone is the best phone in the world. Because it isn't. It's just a phone, with advantages and disadvantages, and people (especially iPhone fanboys) must realize that people are different. They have different needs and choose different phones, and iPhone fanboys must accept that some people make the well-considered desicion NOT to buy an iPhone.

Anyone who made that well-considered desicion not to buy an iPhone has the right to be 'protective' and defend that desicion when iPhone fanboys come 'out of nowhere' trying to 'convert' him/her to their 'iReligion'.

Because the iPhone is not the best phone in the world. It's just a phone. And for lots of people, there's lots of other phones that are better. For me, it's the Touch HD. I won't try to 'convert' people but I will object against those iPhone fanboys claiming that their phone is the best. Because, again, it is not.
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
Please dude, don't say crap like that here. Same thing applies to iPhone users too.
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
I’m pretty much in the same boat and I absolutely agree with you. My experiences since the switch have been very similar. I’m enjoying little things like a stable OS, fast fluid web browser, spotlight search of my entire device (INCLUDING my exchange server), an alarm clock that actually works, non stuttering audio playback, podcasts which when I pause mid-length once my commute to work is over, not only am I able to resume from the same place on the journey home, but also resumes via itunes at home! And vice versa!

Heck, I can also download a podcast over the air – WM allows for this too, but it cannot manage subscriptions like iTunes does. I can rest assure that the latest episode of a podcast is ALWAYS on my device.

As for multitasking, the 3GS is so fast, so snappy that I don’t miss it, as every app remembers where you left off anyway.

Beejive give me push IM in a much better manner than windows live messenger mobile ever did.

And did I mention the app store?!

Things that annoy me though? Got to be absence of snooze option for calendar reminders...
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
Except most of us who are blowing the iPhone trumpet on this particular thread are/were long time WM users and actually do or did own the Touch HD
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
Well i love my touch hd t8285 3G version. Just bought my wife the 32gb Iphone 3gs and I can not lie it is very nice. Extremely quick. Camera kind of sucks compared to HD but thats about it. I have been a long time htc supporter/user. I think i have owned over 20 devices since I started my ocd with electronics. I can not lie the more I use the 3gs the more I feel like I am getting cheated for having payed $900 when I could have payed half and been totally content. Seriously thinking of making the change to the darks side:)
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
You do realize that the majority of things you listed that the iPhone used to lack, can now do with STOCK OS 3.0 and/or iPhone 3G:

-bluetooth profiles

-Stereo bluetooth A2DP

-MS Exchange support

-landscape keyboard that types just as fast and easily as a physical keyboard.

-Navigation(TomTom is coming this year to iPhone app store)

-Voice commands

-Voice recording

-Tethering USB and Bluetooth

-MMS(pending AT&Ts slow a$$ this summer)

-Copy, cut, paste

-Some multitasking(music can be played while in most other applications..also every application remembers where you left off exactly. Push Notifications in Apps help too)

* If you decide to jailbreak your iPhone, which is essentially the exact same thing as putting custom ROMs on you WM phone you can do 100% of what WinMo can do with full multitasking, etc.

FYI all these features are now available on the Stock iPhone.:) Which is basically why i switched from WM Touch HD and other devices to the iPhone. I can do 99% of what WinMo can do stock OS, but with the addition of a fun easy UI, Itunes, Ipod, and a massive App store at my fingers. Not to mention how fast and silky smooth the iPhone 3GS plays audio and video.

I am no fanboy and have absolutely no loyalty to either OS/company. I've spent more money than I would like to admit on WM HTC devices.

P.S. From my experience with WinMo; "Custimization" is just another word/way of trying to fix microsoft's ugly, clunky User Interface with something bearable.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Great choice. We will gladly accept you to our iphone world. lol
[Touch HD General] m.r.davies:
thanks mate, its nice to finally get some impartial advice

Is it user experience that is swaying you?
[Touch HD General] PRAP:
I also would like to change my HTC Touch HD for an iPhone 3gs.

In fact, the problems that the iphone had in the past, today are almost solved, with the exception of minor things... But in contrast with windows mobile the iPhone has a much more appealing user interface, capacitive screen that is much more sensitive, etc...

This doens't meen that I don't like my Touch HD, because I think it is still a nice phone... But if it was today I would prefer an iPhone...

The problem is to sell my HTC for a good price. So I will continue with it; it isn't as good as an iPhone in the user interface, but it is still a nice PDA:)

I think that windows mobile is going behind... I hope that windows mobile 7.0 in the future brings a big evolution to windows phones...
[Touch HD General] m.r.davies:
does the iphone have a numeric keypad for texting in the latest version of via jail brake
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
not exactly sure what you mean but i can enter numbers into SMS messages without jailbreaking. What I mean is i can use numbers for a contact or for a message.
[Touch HD General] slick69:
Hear hear. See sig ;)
[Touch HD General] maati:
No, utvol06 and slick69.

WinMo "customization" means things like having your appointments displayed on the home screen without the need to open the calendar (if you use the phone as an organizer), or your news, tasks, etc., or choose the colors and wallpapers you like, arrange the controls the way you like them (because interfaces that also display information are definitely more effective than a bunch of icons), choose the browser, media player, voice control app, ..., you like (Opera is better than Safari, btw. :D) and so on....

Your sig should say: "Microsoft - build a powerful platform that gives others unlimited possibilities to customize and use it it the way they like!"
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
I must correct a statement. The iphone 3gs camera does not suck. I think it is better then Touch HD. How is that even possible?? My touch hd is 5.0 and wife's 3gs is 3.0, am I missing something? I got to be honest I have been a huge apple hater and windows supporter, but dam it my $900 touch hd does not perform and function as good as my wifes $400 iphone 3gs. WTF I am so pissed.
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
You know it just works. My HD I am putting on new roms, radios, etc and I am never content. I have had my wifes phone since Sunday and not had one problem. Calls work, apps work, even sync works fine. No lagg, no having to constantly closing task bar stupid x. I feel like the biggest hippocrite because of all the apple bashing I have done but the iphone 3gs at least for me is an incredible device straight out of the box. If anyone wants to buy a two week old Touch HD T8285 let me know.