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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Oh sweet lord... I just can't stay away from the comment box.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
Brilliant. Now I understand why this thread is so full of arguments. Almost everyone agrees with you and if anyone tries to discuss it rationally, they get shouted down like atheists in a church. This thread now has nothing at all to do with software development, but it's fantastically interesting from an anthropological point of view.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] str0nz0:
Please stick to your words.

Everytime i see this thread with new posts i hope to see further development, but all i see is people whining and writing useless posts.

@all: Stop whining, try to help or, if you cant, wait silent and patient
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sevensheaven:
NICE spoken....

i fully agree...only whining people..And for that..bige chance tuxhero is leaving again.

S.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
Quick. Praise him. It's the only way.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] purec0de:
LOL :D :D

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....-Fatboy-Slim/16AE4CF0BD109999482568BE00039E9D

lol
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hobs:
So very true! This is (I guess) the only reason I keep checking for new posts. And as for the "Quick, praise him!", I see what you did there :).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] purec0de:
@Tuxhero:

if you are reading (i hope so) please don't take any offence at my 'praise you' pun

it was ment in a very light hearted and humorous manner

best regards

purec0de :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bcrisp82:
why are you restricted to PHP/Java? sounds like you're pretty inexperienced
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
/me sighs

My core languages are PHP and Java.

Honestly, are you actually trying to be as retarded as possible? "pretty inexperienced"? Ugh...

I'll tell you what, why not just focus on Android, and the development of Android?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sevensheaven:
excacly..it's realy not relevant to the topic...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Borbosch:
Whoa,

this thread starts to be a witch hunt after... well, Mr. Hunt.

@bcrisp82: Stop posting replys like that! This childish behavour has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

The best way to be up-to-date is to refresh those two links once a day:

http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux&day=15

http://www.androidkernel.org (until now, it's still nothing there, but keep refreshing ;) )

Don't forget to READ what's posted there!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanMccoy1:
Guys, Im Quite Bored Of All This Arguing/Debating (Whatever You'd Like To Call It) Going On, Im Sure A Lot Of Other People Are Too. From Now, Can We Just Keep This As On Topic As Possible And Anyone Who Can Help With This Project Then Post Here. If You Have Nothing To Do Except Argue With Daniel.Hunt Or Flame Tux Or Anybody Else Then START ANOTHER TOPIC.

I Come On Here Looking For Progress Updates And Ending Up Having To Look Through 100 Or So Messages To Find Any Signs Of Help Or Updates, Quite Frankly, No One Cares If You Think Tux Is Doing A Bad Job, Atleast He's Trying, And The Childishness Of The Arguments With Daniel.Hunt Is Absolutely Ridiculous. Can We Just Cut It Out Now Please?

Best Regards,

Dan.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bcrisp82:
i posted it to keep the drama going. /discuss
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] purec0de:
wtf ????? this thread is for ANDROID DEVELOPMENT.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Archoz:
Tux! Install Wordpress on your host, we'd like to know what's going on! :) (maybe use this email list plugin)

You wanted to emphasize "start another topic", didn't you?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bcrisp82:
the only development in this thread is the development of LoL FoRUm drama. the OP killed this thread..

oh yeah, and if you want android, get a g1 or a magic... or wait for the hero.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Update

For updates please visit http://blog.androidkernel.org​
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I disapprove of how this is being carried out.

I strongly disapprove of the "this is my project, so I can do what I want" attitude too.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
@ tuxhero - Can I enquire why you have created this new website instead of continuing to use this xda thread?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I'll make a stab at answering that ...

On this thread/site he cannot:

1: Moderate comments

2: Restrict access to code/discussion based on praise given to him

However, on this site it's very hard to have a meaningful discussion about development without having to sift through pages, and pages of people talking about irrelevant things (I'm as guilty of this as the next person), so there are certainly some arguments for doing it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Behold:
In all honesty the "this is my project, so I can do what I want" attitude is completely up to the OP of any project. If he feels the need to update everyone every 15mins or every 15days its up to him. if you do not like this you can request more updates but its up to them to make the change for the public.

Although its your right to keep asking and have an opinon its not very nice to slate someone in 400 different ways make a big thing of it and polute his project post from those patient enough to wait and see.

If you really unhappy with this approach either ingnore it or design it yourself. All the developing on here is normally done for the OP's benifit and the fact they share it once working is great of them. some developers maybe don't wany fifty hands in the pot as its hard to manage if your new at it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Points well made. I would tend to agree
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
I am VERY happy that tuxhero has now his own page!!! :)

I also like that he now has the ability to moderate the comments!!! :-)

So bad that he could not do it before. I cannot hear the negative comments of daniel.hunt anymore! :(

Who feels the same? Who also does not like daniel.hunt's comments?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hpn:
Short reply; So f****** what...

Not so short reply: I gave a small donation to this project. I cant remember a contract being signed with a deadline, or a promise that it would be finished at all. He might get hit by a plain...

I really want Android for my HD, but that doesnt give me the right to go totally banananuts just because of my own impatience.

Anyway, I got a Magic that makes Sense even before I saw this tread... :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Techvir:
Agree 100 % .

Its so sad that people are so critical when some tries to do something different.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
Awesome, glad you've got a blog and that the site's almost finished Tux :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
So true. The best achievements of humanity have always been the result of absolute authority to silence criticism. North Korea, Stalin's Russia, Burma... all fantastic successes.

Now we can finally move on from all that boring stuff about reverse engineering and concentrate on the true meaning of software development: hero worship!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
You have some thing to tease you are doing it that's nice but by any chance if i get android working fully at that movement what will you say???? if you have answer then continue your postings.

may people asking me why i am leaving xda. Answer is in above post by patp.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] winwiz:
chin up tuxhero, for every idiot on here you have a hundred fans! Best of luck :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
Just donated a can of beer....

enjoy it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
oh come on let's be friends. i've said you're a good developer, it's not your fault you've become the focus of people's delusional beliefs. i think you may well solve some of the problems in porting to this device, possibly this year even. but i reserve the right to poke fun at your fanbase. if i have any serious criticism of you, it is that you should not be leading them on the way you have done.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I agree with you. But if you give me suggestion or guide me i will be very happy.

This is my first public project patp i never done this before. Your help is very much needed than having fun.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Mark.oh:
Even in the middle of the night his page is still getting updated, now it got a new design. :eek:

This guy is really working for this:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
@tuxhero

I didn't read the whole discussion here. And I am nothing near to a kernel developer, just a guy doing web and backend stuff who build 2 communities (largest one atm ~7k users). one of it is the work of my life with over 7000hours invested together with a mate.

but just let me tell you one thing: there will ever be people poking around and try to get others to their side, even if the service you do is for free. they are unfriendly and even challenging. but theres one great difference between them and us: they didn't archieve anything. even so, it is sometime hard for me not beeing pulled down by them... and I think it will ever be.

so don't let you and your personal motivation be draged down by them. there will EVER be such folks.

as I said, I didn't read the whole thread, but if you are capable to port android to the blackstone or even doing major milestones on this, it will be a work to be remembered and it will payoff for you personal.. one way or the other.

great work, keep on!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nova_vx:
I don't want to be critic or not... but i don't see nothing new or good at the skyline... same problems of the old project... i check the post of vogue and i read steps the dev have done to let it work in a "complicated" way and my fce turn like this :eek::eek::eek:

In a realistic vision, how many possibilities are to end the project wiyh a success?

I really hope...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crashDebug:
imho, none

no offense meant to anyone but to put it simple, i think that overcoming porting problems without htc's (or hw manufacturers) help is doomed from the start. i will anyway be more than happy to be proven wrong: at that time, i will donate for sure
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
which interest should HTC have, to port android... some unqiue selling points for some other PDAs in their other products. the blackstone is the hell of a smartphone... whats missing? multitouch, maybe the less important zoombar... thats it.

help from htc would be great, but I don't see any chances there.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I agree with you crashDebug but we don't need htc's help anymore. I already said that we has all the information we need. Few days back some one(i really don't know who) has send me all the things which we expect from HTC or hw manufacturers. Adsp code is some what complicated i really need cr2 help for getting it working but cr2 is currently not available so i have to workout on my own that's why it's taking more time.

Chances of this project getting finished are %50
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
OK - since you ask, this is my own take on how to run it.

Do: Give concrete feedback about progress. Keep it brief, don't waste time explaining the details but describe progress.

Do: Engage with other developers as equals (try not to insult their work, it really upsets them!) - [and notice how much better it's going now you're talking to cr2]

Do: Be realistic about likely outcomes

Don't: Raise expectations of a "perfect" installation - it will always be a work in progress and likely more buggy than any WM installation. If you disagree with this, show me a mature, stable android port.

Do: Ask mods to close this thread and start a new one with about 4 reserved posts as the beginning.

Do: Avoid getting ito polarised discussions, and discourage your followers from cheerleading. I have been branded a "hater" in this thread for raising questions that should be totally acceptable in an intellectual exercise.

Note - I have no particular qualification to make these recommendations, you might not agree with them, but you did ask!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Terrorhuhn:
You could make a little progress bar from 0% to 100%.

Then everybody would spend day and night watching at this^^
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sevensheaven:
Do: Ask mods to close this thread

i think he did in the first post...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] vkeegan:
Hey Tux, as I said on the old project thread and as I'll say here I'll donate some $$ when you eventually get a working release out. I genuinely believe you are working towards getting a working port up and running and I'll reward that effort with a donation when, not if, you succeed.

There's no one else working on an android port to my knowledge so I'll be patient ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Behold:
Can we double that to a 0-100% on when the first bootable sound enable rom is?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
I agree with you.

But the first two points you made are the most important imo and they were lacking a few weeks ago.

But since then things have changed, hes clearly working with the other devs now and we can follow them on the irc-logs if we want, so why keep on fighting about the other minor things?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
http://blog.androidkernel.org/ is down?

Any other site to check out for updates on this project`?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
His most recent update is that his laptop is down and has to rebuild the development platform on his desktop.... by the weekend.. as I remembered from his blog.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
And he said no updates until today, the 22nd july
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
I guess he should be allowed for more time. Hope we can see him on this weedend. Even without significate progress, may be some greeting.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
http://blog.androidkernel.org/ back online :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
Lets hope Tuxhero makes some progress. To bad about his computer-crash.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LeeDroid:
lookin pretty good over there but its a shame to see the Blackstone Linux Wiki going to waste after such progress was made!!

Did anyone manage to fully boot Android 1.0?

I keep getting stuck when it attemps to mount the file system images, no such device or address?:confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] str0nz0:
you have to use another sd card, thats the problem. some dont work!

And for the status of the actual progress, i wonder why tuxhero did not manage to set up a git server till now. he is trying since the beginning of the project months ago, but still nothing has happend. And there seems to be no solution to the audio problem. I hope this will succeed anyway
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KlausFindus:
I also tried to boot Android 1.0 without success. Stopped after a few error messages... I haven't seen the GUI yet :mad:

Where are the developers of this project? Gave up? Is TuxHero the only one left?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
I am able to boot it with Haret, but it is pretty unusable since it freeze after some minutes of usage, there is no sound and by some reason the touch-screen dont work as good as in WM. Also the screen-update (FPS) is pretty low, so the little time you have before it freeze it is pretty laggy. For example when opening the menu, the animation is not as smooth as it is on Dream/Magic.

I still hope the Raphael-android-developers and Hero will make it work some day, and maybe even release a flashable rom with it when the kernel is ok.

Just lets hope it is before I give up waiting and buy myself a "real" android-phone. The Samsung i7500 looks kind of promising. Only to bad that all android-phones yet have the low resolution of 320x480. With the 480x800-resolution on the Blackstone the power of Android would really get released :P
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
Since Android is a "Internet-OS", this would result in:

Higher resolution images on web-pages.

Higher resolution when browsing internet-pages.

More information on the screen at the same time.

If you have used Android on 320x480 you know that in for example settings, you need to scroll alot. But with higher resolution more information can be displayed at the same time. This also makes it possible to create applications and maybe games intended for higher resolution.

Also the 3.8"-screen on the Touch HD can make it possible to display all this and still be able to read the screen. Smaller screens with this resolution can be hard to read text from for example (take the Xperia X1 for example).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
@tuxhero: Hi, tuxhero! I haven't seen you for about two weeks in

http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux&day=29

Are you still working on the problem or is it too hard?

Greetings, masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
yeah, maybe. bigger = certainly better, and I guess we don't want it too pixellated, so higher res is better. doubt you'll ever see optimised drivers for this device in linux though, so all that screen estate might be problematic. it's poor enough in some circumstances in windows which does have some attempt at gfx drivers specific to the hardware.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] avalon.ask:
tux progress at http://blog.androidkernel.org/

At last there is some movement at http://blog.androidkernel.org/.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Few personal problems and busy with adsp code.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
Woooow!!!

Tuxhero, I really really really want to see USB,Charging,Vibrator,Bluetooth,Wifi,GPRS on my HTC Touch HD :-)

When you are ready, could you please release a working test-image? It is ok, if until then audio still does not work. When I have this Image, I and many others will donate!! And I will be very happy :-)

Greetings, masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Sure masr i will release it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LeeDroid:
Thinking the same my self, i am in the position to upgrade at a fee on my contract, just £100 on my next bill and i could have a hero! i could make that back and more selling my HD..... but yes you are correct, Android on a HD would be the dogs nuts! so im holding off.

managed to fully boot android 0.8 from the wiki from internal mem but this SD issue is really bugging me! I p.m'd Olipro lastnight to ask about a CID only unlock after finding this page on porting linux and the issues with CID locked handsets.. may solve the SD problem! il find out once im super CID

:cool:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
SD Card issue will be fixed by this weekend. GPIOS in old code was wrong that's why many people are not able to boot. Old code use 88,89,90,91,92,93 but it's actually 62,63,64,65,66,67 but with correct gpios we need to pass correct ocr_mask and clock values which i am finding now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cadenza:
lol, just tooo funny;)

btt: keep up the good work, Tuxhero^^ Thanks for all your effort!

Greets, cad^^
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Geeba:
YOU da man!!!

Good work fella! :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sparticus78:
help

why haven't u guys ask for help from some other developers. sounds like you have made some real progress. i'm sure one of the devs from android would be willing to help. when you are testing the rom u should be pulling the log and posting so the dev can see whats failing.and again great work so far. can't wait for it to be finished
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Geeba:
Is Andriod as open source as every was lead to believe :confused: are the devs really gonna help?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
I think he was referring to other developers on XDA and on irc, not the developers who created android.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LeeDroid:
fantastic news! top man! I ordered a Hero today so over the next few weeks I will be making the decision as to Sell my HD or the Hero and make a little profit, HD with android would b like having a new handset anyway, new housing and screen on the way from ebay.

I do love my HD
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
where it says on the blog under things that are being worked on currently 'GPU', does this mean acceleration in some form or just working graphics? i took FB to mean framebuffer and GPU as something different. just wondering what level of functionality to expect.

regards,

marc
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
Great to hear you're making progress Tux :D hope your personal problems aren't too bad!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mnamnam:
I just followed the thread over all "whateverwaswritten".

My comment thx so far for all of the dev's work, i hope you'll get it done, NO matter how long it takes.

Thx again and keep it up... :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Riceburner:
Had a play on a HTC Magic last night and using Android was schweet!

Will be watching this project with interest in the future!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] technomania34:
Closed:confused:

Edit: Open :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
No i think tux wanted to switch servesr so he had to change the nameservers, too and that's why the domain isn't reachable right now
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
hope the first alpha would be released in coming weeks... wait wait wait.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] shingers5:
in meantime if you want Hero android look/sense UI please check here. it looks pretty damn good folks

http://community.pointui.com/topic/suiteto-come-pointsense-suite
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Braveheart1980:
I know it is offtopic but this ROCKS!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KJx89:
I've booted the image, but when it asks me the PIN code, is impossible to type it...

Any solution?

Regards

Kappa
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
the first rule in playing android with blackstone.. is to disable PIN in wince....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KJx89:
I didn't know that, sorry :)

Really nice to play on the HD, but I think there are not enough physical buttons, maybe the better choice is to make a long press for second function :)

Regards

Kappa
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
It's alright, the second rule is to choose the correct MicroSD, but the sandisk comes with the HD will do just fine. Hope the new android build will fix this.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KJx89:
I'm using the built in microSD ;)

Hope that too, it's hard to use the physical buttons :)

Regards

Kappa
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DRTigerlilly:
have you guys seen this thread yet? It was even on pocketnow
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Techvir:
That is awesome !!!!!

Hopefully htc hd is not far away
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
was wondering how long it would take for someone to port it over to haret. can't find anything saying about resized textures though. does anyone know if the sense UI is resolution independent? if it is then we should be able to start playing round with this as soon as tux releases his kernel minus audio.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
Or you could start doing so with the kernel you already have.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
Is there a kernel for HD that dont freeze after 1-2 minutes of use?

If not I prefer waiting until a usable kernel is released by someone.