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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Hi friends it's time to say good bye. I try my level best to continue with this project but i can't do it anymore. I am not doing a Job here so that i have too keep the given time lines or i am not writing code for some thing that has complete information available. Here i am working day and night to understand this platform and write code for it but people keep on asking for updates,code,release etc.. Should i work or keep giving you updates?? If you are really interested in code then why don't you get code from android git or from linuxtogo and start working on it? No you will not do it because you want code to test my skills not to work on it. I feel like i become slave of you people.

PLEASE DONT POST YOUR FEELING HERE IT DOES NOT MATTER ANY MORE.

Mod Please close this thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
... as I said: things are for spare time.

unreflected if there, or if there not any "results", I can understand it. the same in my portal I do.

but another comment to the nXtdevices fans, which ohhh.. suprised, recognised HTCs bad quality (not only in HW, even so in software): this community was my only reason do buy another device from htc.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
Tux...........
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pzucchel:
Well, you promised miracles that you couldn't achieve - and you got somebody even donating you...who created this thread and has risen expectations?

I stop my comments here, good luck :o
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Panayiotis:
"Please close this thread":eek::eek::eek:

Thanks god that I didn't donate you to see that!!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I can't say I'm surprised in the slightest. It really is sad to see yet another attempt at getting Android onto the Touch HD fall over, but the writing really was on the wall for this project from the moment Tux closed up shop to other developers.

This is a classic case of too-much-for-one-dev to handle, and it's a classic case of dev != project manager.

Sad to see it end, but again, not surprised
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Ugh, and something that irritates me is Tux's attitude to everyone else in this thread. Changing the title of an 82 page thread to "please close this thread" is incredibly low.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
Not that suprising after some of the comments on here.

and yes I am finger pointing and my finger is pointing at you..

I've no idea if he's intentions are good, real or whatever, but I certainly would never launch into continual and pointless attacks on someone who appears to be having a good go at something!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] imtiyazee:
Goodbye

SHAME ON YOU, WITH THIS ATTITUDE YOU WILL NEVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING IN LIFE,

ADVICE: NEVER PROMISE ANYONE, WHICH YOU CAN'T KEEP.

you cant even differenciate between feeling, expectation and orders from what members write here.

Best of luck in wht ever u do from here on words..:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] frottage:
It is because of people like you that projects like this never come to fruition - clearly Tux has invested a massive amount of time and effort and knowledge. In my opinion those who contribute such a massive amount of their time to the common good, should always be treated with reverence. I mourn the death of this project
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] str0nz0:
i know it was a good decision to sell my hd, had seen this coming..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bhagvan:
Hi

!@#@!# is the all i can say, we should ban such users to post any messages, so much fights! for doing nothing at the end of it. I guess the others though they did it wrong!!!!!! did something for making it work.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Point all you want - I'll hold me hands up and freely state that I was against what Tux was doing (ie, how he was handling this project) from the start.

As a result of that stance, I'm not surprised it has failed.

I simply refuse to put him on a pedestal because he's having a go at it. He'll earn his pedestal through hard work and openness. Not through promises.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] imtiyazee:
Perhaps you dint understood a word what i wrote. never mind.

i have nothing personal against anyone out here.

Life is a process of learn and unlearn.

learn what you feel is good and unlearn the bad.

i still wish people with relevant knowledge come forward to contribute for a common goal, at the end we all want Android on our device.

its Tux who has to decide how n where he want to be, in our hearts or in our minds.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kva:
I was following the project from the beginning. The most IMPORTANT thing was that tux said he HAS all docs about touch hd hardware. Brief googling shows me nothing about such info. Hacking devices makes no fun, writing code 'with' documentation is much better. So the main question was - 'what about docs'. Am I missing something ? I would be happy to join development, but I was able just start from the beginning. Probably i'll do it in case I'll find all necessary docs.

There is also one more thing - nobody wanted to test tux's skills. He said he will setup git repository soon - there was no git repository in a month. And telling the truth it would be OK even if that repository wouldn't have even commits, but it was setup (sorry for my bad english). It seems that he had problems with a project, but in reality he doesn't allow other developers to join in his project. And I think that it is too difficult even for coolest professional to finish such project.

2 tuxhero: I appreciate your work. Let's start the project again. Everything is possible with community support.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pzucchel:
Frankly speaking, I don't want to blame tuxhero for dropping the project, it is the most honest reaction to the evolution of the situation.

...But I've seen enough projects to notice that he was trying to do everything by himself, which is equivalent in saying that a company like HTC invests a single person to port android to a new phone. Does anybody believe it? I don't, please note that WM6 cooks are not changing a single line of code, they are just putting (working) pieces together. Here the porting challenge was way beyond a single person effort, and Tuxhero was not willing (capable) of involving a team around the effort. Again, I am sure he did it with the best intention, and he should not be blamed. But this is a good lesson for those that didn't experience it already...the strength of open projects is that they are open projects, and the strength of successful open projects is a good project manager! ;)

p.s. even if only 1% of the 1000 people that gave their opinion in the poll would be valuable OS programmers willing to spend 10% of their free time, the project would already be flying!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
Updates on what? The only thing I have read here, is a mouth full of promises, way beyond living daylight of a one-man-project, that in the end only rised expectations from users on this forum.

By the way, I thought the idea of an "technical forum" would be to co-operate so that in the end the achievement of a project would be full filled. Why do you think software companies work in teams; there is no way one man can complete big projects on his own unless you are Jesus Christ him self.

And for the matter of fact, no-one cares how skilled you are (if you are, are you?). The only thing the users reading this thread cares about is replacing Windows Mobile with Android! It is not like the people here will give you a grade for the code written, €$ donations at tops.

Do not get me wrong, I do not blame you for abandoning this project, it is only your attitude that makes me angry. I understand that you got highly important information (from HTC?) about Touch HD for completing this project. It would be nice if you somehow (?) could contribute with the info you got from them or this person. I know that this project could be completed if people were not that selfish and worked as a T E A M!

I mean, it is not like we are going to the moon in a home built rocket. The tools are there, as is the goal. The only thing we need is a team of creative people with skills, right?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dangerniall:
dammit, guess that means we're never gonna get 'roid on this phone, is a shame, I had high hopes it'd happen but seems highly unlikely now.

wm 6.5 ftw!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kva:
You're right !

As for me I really want to contribute to such project. Also I know that I will never finish such project alone. And the main thing - there is no willing to start the project from the beginning when somebody claims that he has all documentation on hw and he have already good progress.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
if a repository or such things the only problem, I would be glad to help out.

maybe tux will share his docs with anyone willing to continue.

I can imagine his words... and I consider he is not that old. young men under fire get burned - always the same. keep concentrating on what you are best in. coding... web.. server... whatever... and try to find the rest skills.. and if there no one... shrink your project and your expectations. only way not to quit. you can work less and less... but if you quit... everything is worthless.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
One more thing, I noticed that you still own the URL androidkernel.org. The site is just though full of commercials..

Before tuxheros.com & androidkernel.org was both pointing to the same website. Now the site (androidkernel.org) is just full of commercials, why?

I would also guess that you are trying to sell the domain for getting a fast buck, am I right (via GoDaddy)?

I really hope that I'm soooo wrong because otherwise this whole thing is low, very very low.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
You are right my friend! IMHO a real coder with skills (or any person really focused on a goal) has the attitude "

Not Dead, Can't Quit

"
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Hi friends after seeing you messages i think you deserve knowing what i has done in all this days

This is much in tech language but i will try to explain as simple as i can.

As you all know Android MSM Hardware(G1/G2/HERO) is same as Blackstone Hardware but why Android Code is not working??

Let me explain you.

There are 2 processor in our phone (Not only in our phone but all most all smart phone have 2 processors)

1. Application Processor (Run you Operating System (WINMO) and Applications etc..)

2. Modem Processor (Run a small real time Operating System and Handle Phone,SMS,GPRS etc..)

Normal Application Processor would be controlling Modem Processor in most of the smart phones

but in MSM Hardware Modem Processor will be controlling Application Processor

So we need a way to talk with Modem Processor in order to command it like enable or disable a hardware etc..

This is where our problem starts.

MSM Hardware With Win CE have 3 ways of talking with Modem processor

1. proc_comm (Low Level Communication)

2. DEX (Data Exchange)

3. RPC (Remote Proc Call)

MSM Hardware With Android have 2 ways of talking with Modem Processor

1. proc_comm

2. RPC

So now we need to make use any of the Protocol to talk with Modem Processor

Here are the problem with each of the Win CE Protocol

1. proc_comm

proc comm in wince is not at all working in Linux (Believe me i worked on this task for 3 weeks and i try all the possible ways)

2. DEX

DEX don't provide most important features like clock so we can't depend on it at all

3. RPC

Linux Kernel should be able to talk with modem right from the starting but RPC will not be avalible untill RPC Module is loaded.

We need to find a really good solution for this as this is the most important part of the whole hardware.

In the mean while i looked at other hardware support too here is there status.

epson LCD Code is ready

G-Sensor Code is ready

DCompas Code is ready

Hardware Keys Code is ready

But all this hardware need proc_comm or RPC so untill we find the solution it we can't do any thing.

If we find solution for it then we will be having fully working android in our phone in a day or 2.

finding solution for this is not a very hard thing but i need more time.

2 more important things.

1. Today i came to know that our Blackstone has Compass Hardware too and we have code for it too.

2. I am quitting this project for public but i will continue working on this till i finish it. I will surely release it to public if i finish it.

Good bye Friends.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
So, you basically say that this is not hard at all. The only thing you need is time? But you do not still need any help..? And you will work on this until finished and you will release it to the public if you finish it (uhmm.. ok?).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kva:
So, does it mean there will be no contributes from you at all ? I mean 'infos' you got about htc' hw ?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pzucchel:
...why do you say "We" if you conclude that you are quitting this project for public? I am sorry, but this thread is a bit schizophrenic! and i feel it is going nowhere. Good bye to you too ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
you missunderstood me a little.

what I wanted to say is, that.. if you take to much: you break. but if you are free to do as you like, it is a hobby and drains not that much energy, maybe fuels it.

to the general problem: ok, rpc is the way to go, so where are other experts on linux and embeded systems to give support.

I think the discussion here is a bit emotional - from both sides. and that... kills fun ;).

but fun is the primary fuel to archieve something good. so lets forget da hard feelings... and go on as there where nothing happend.. if a wiki or versioning needed, I maybe could help out.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kael:
errm read more thoroughly what he wrote...

That is not simple when I read it. As soon as THAT is solved, then it will be easy...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
It sounds like you made a lot of good progress Tux and you seem confident! :D

I can understand it was hard having so many people commenting everyday asking for status updates etc. If you work better without hassle then please carry on quietly and I am sure myself and a lot of others will be quite happy to wait :) Please post back when you feel you want to..

Good luck
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
such a shame. glad to hear you're going to keep working on it though. i have every confidence you'll pull it off eventually.

mass
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] idandush:
i hope he will make it .

but anyway it was a nice try . anyone else ready for the task ? hehe :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I fail to see how what you're doing now is any different to what you were doing before? People had to pull info from you like pulling blood from a stone, and then you went and setup your own site so you could have full editorial control over the content.

Seriously tux, every single step you take makes you look like a megalomaniac who's only in this for the glory. Open up the bloody project so other devs can jump in and out when possible! Have you not learnt a single thing about project management since you started this?

This entire project is a farce - it will never be completed. All it will do is make people think that Android is currently in development for the HD, which will ensure that no one else will bother working on it.

AND WHY IS THIS FECKING THREAD STILL TITLED "Please close this thread"?

God damnit man, there are over 80 pages of posts here from people interested in the project and you're being incredibly selfish in how you've treated the entire thread so far. This thread is not about you, it's about Android on the HD. Reinstate the original post please.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kva:
Yep. It means from now others can start from the beginning.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
But that's just it! Apparantly, Tux has managed to get hold of technical docs that no one else has been able to get their hands on. They'll be starting from the very beginning while Tux stockpiles his trump-card
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
I've re-opened thread as per request. Would recommend renaming it before another MOD sees it
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Thank you I renamed it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] idandush:
this leaving and coming back is not mature .

i hope thats the last time :)

and now we have 2 projects working on the Android - which is great because i have 2 threads i am checking every 30 minutes ! :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
This project is being handled by a lone-developer.

The other project is bring run by a project manager (who is not a developer).

It's a shame that tux has named this thread almost identical to the other one - it's bound to cause confusion in the future, but I'm not surprised.

Also, you get email alerts when the threads are updated :p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
2 threads, both have same goal. Can we not combine efforts into one thread and close the other? Just a thought ;)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=546776

EDIT

There appears to be a bit of past history which I was not aware of regarding this issue. But surely the goal of both threads is to create a fully functional Android operating system on the HD, no?

I'm going to keep an eye on these 2 threads and I hope to see no further arguments, tit-for-tat or childish behaviour. If I see fit that this isn't happening, one of these threads will be closed. Consider this a warning.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
Glad to see this thread live again.......
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
Opened again, omg..

I really thought that TuxHero intended to continue on his own and remove this project from the public. Why have a thread open about a project that is closed for the public?

I also have the feeling that TuxHero has no intention to help anyone nor can anyone help TuxHero because he does not want any help.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Thank you for your warning. I leaned all the lessons i will never repeat the mistakes i did previously. I was working on this project for 2 months i have spend every second i got on this project but i was not able to manage people in this thread correctly so i though to Close this thread and concentrate on code and get back in 10 to 15 days with working release. But other user started to takeover my project which i can't let it happen after all that i have been through that's why i asked you to reopen the thread.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
1: Lesson number 1 for developers, don't commit to unrealistic time constraints.

2: Your site disappeared, you had this thread closed, and you stated that you were shutting up shop. What the hell did you expect to happen?!

*edit* @fallen spartan: Apologies for the dig. I'll shut my trap now o/
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Accepted daniel it will never happen again. Really Sorry for everything i did.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I am dealing with much more complicated thing sudo_x60. Ok let think that some one said that he know kernel programming and want to help and i accepted it and give all the information i am having if he leak the information then i have to get sued by Microsoft,Qualcomm,HTC so i am in stage where i can trust no one untill if i know them very very well. That's why i not publishing my work at. Ones i am done with wince i will publish GPL Licenced Linux Code for other to work,improve,use.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xaoc747:
Aware of the error:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] [germany]merlot:
I'm not sharing the opinions of the other guys arguing with you and your doing. I think it was not wrong to close the thread and going into a quiet place to finish your work with success. A lot of people were asking for a release date, source code or what ever and answering every day the same questions is quite non-productive in my eyes.

Keep up the work you've done till now, I believe you can finish this (in a week or two or a month) with success and all the haters will be quiet forever.

If you're looking for help, I can offer you my C# skills, that's not much but a little step to reach the goal.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Here is a little status update.

For having a full clock implementation we need to get proc_comm working as we have have code for proc_comm in smd_com.dll i think it should work but all my test's failed. I want to give it a try one more time. If it work then all happy or else we have to find clock values for all the hardware and write code for it. As i have all clock values it will not be hard but proc_comm way of doing this is really very simple and stable.

Next 3 days are holidays for me i hope to get this clock thing in next 3 days.

** EDIT **

I want to share few words with you friends.

My way of doing things is very much different from others (My Intentions are just to explain how i work not to insult other).

When most of the developers got into some problem they just run to find some quick fix that's just works.

But In my view i understand the problem and try to find root cause of the problem and find permanent solution.

My way of doing things take lot of time but in long run they are more stable.

I hate quick fixes friends and with quick fixes Android will be never be able to replace you winmo.

If you want a quick fixes then i am not your guy.

I Request every one keep you post about this task or about this project.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] younxta:
I really appreciate your hard work, just take your time my friend and make this thing work perfect!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lovej:
TO see it

http://code.google.com/p/vogue-hero/

and to talk zenulator about android:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
Vogue has working kernel lovej but we don't. Porting Sense UI is not at all a hard thing ones we have working kernel then we can port many UI's like new SE UI,HTC UI..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] imtiyazee:
Welcome back, all the best to your hard efforts.:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cyclone_storm:
Me to. I really appreciate that you are back and helping us again. I still

believe in you and your project and I like your approach on how to fix

problems. That’s the same way we do it here in my company and it’s by far

the best way to help problems out of the world in Software Business. I am

waiting for about 7 to 8 months on the android platform for the HTC HD so

waiting another month (or 2) isn't really that hard for such a good OS. Tanks

again, and just take your time. :D:D:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mcdull:
May I ask a question?

If HTC is going to make android on to Blackstone, will they need to use another SPL? or the Same SPL as Winmo is expected?

My thought is that the available kernel is not compatible with the SPL so the hardware could not be driven. But most of the hardware is the same as other HTC device which may be the SPL is differently made for winmo.

If that is the case, even we sort out everything at the moment, we need to go it again and again with later kernel.