yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
Yeah like what happened to me tonight!

Also, xda is quite slow all day long for me. Its fastest right now.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
it's probably partially because there are 50 of us hitting refresh on this page all the time :D
[Touch CDMA Android Development] aross6:
Yah... it's been mega-slow for a little while now...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
Regarding calibration, I have my settings in default.txt and they work great. I tried the calibration program but couldnt get it to be as accurate as my numbers in default. Will the default settings not be understood with future releases or will they remain in there?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] aross6:
As a matter of course, TouchPal (the well-known WinMo keyboard) is coming to Android purportedly next week... with it comes a full Full QWERTY, KeyPad, and my personal favorite (which will in my opinion make text input with Android on the Vogue much much easier due to our smaller screen size) T+ Half QWERTY. The best part is for the first few months of its release it will be free!!!

Vids can be found here: Android Forums.com - TouchPal Keyboard for Android
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drprince89:
Im pretty sure thats not aGPS, even when everyone said the GPS only works outside i have never had any issues using it at home. I also get quick locks even from inside, so it may just be that android handles the regular GPS better than WM.

Regardless by that logic i think we would all have aGPS because if im not mistaken thats what WM regularly uses, at least on my vogue, so it wouldn't be broken and would "carry over" either way, also bluetooth and every other feature would work, but they dont because nothing "carries over" from WM to Android, just the same hardware is present. But then again i am no expert so thats just what i would figure.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] exabrial:
Just noticed my ringer has changed with the latest android ion image. I went and tried to change it, but you can't. The ringers panel in settings doesn't work anymore, it just shows an empty panel with no options.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] exabrial:
I'm retarded, I erased the media folder.

HOWEVER, it seems the haptic feedback when holding down the power button or the red button is not working anymore. Bummer.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] srwalter:
The settings in default.txt should continue to work for the forseeable future. Note that if you save calibration values in CalibrateScreen they will override those in default.txt, however.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] hossenfeffer:
android locked

Loaded it , thought it was pretty cool for 3 minutes then it locked on me - says " press menu to unlock " but nothing on screen responds when i touch it - soft reset goes back to nfsfans setup which i thought was cool so i can edit something if i ned to but if i restart it it goes back to locked, any help would be appreciated.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
volume down is the menu button
[Touch CDMA Android Development] hossenfeffer:
andriod locked

Doh! Thanks so much I tried evertything but that!

One more newblet question if you don't mind, when your in a menu or the phone keyboard etc. how do you go back to previous screen?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tetrismonkey:
the menu button is the slider (volume control for wm) on the side of the phone down is "menu" and up is "back"
[Touch CDMA Android Development] ljmeli:
@hossenfeffer:

Volume up
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
I can't find an option to make the phone vibrate when a text or email is received. Is there a way to change this option?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tetrismonkey:
you have to go into the app then "setting" and you will find notification options
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
Any ideas what you guys are going to make the camera button now that the linux keyboard is gone? I was thinking maybe switching the 'back' button to it since the volume up key is really sensitive in some screens (like market) . Now i'm sure you guys all have ideas, just asking if you were planning on assigning something to that button. I'm not trying to get the board flamed with remap posts like we had the other day.

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[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
camera is now a shift/alt key.

so camera + volume is volume up/down and camera + dpad left is rotate.

as we go, we could possibly add additional things... we could make it so cam+dpad up, right, and down each do something, similar to how sym-0, 1, 6, 7 would do things on the blue keyboard.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
Cool, sounds good!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] evilninjam0nky:
Hey everyone.

Been lurking around here for a while now. I am loving the progress being made here. Thank you to everyone for your hard work on this project. I am currently using Android almost exclusively on my Verizon xv6900, and I am excited to see what else is in store..

Just a heads up for people having issues with the calibration tool that srwalter has provided for us. I am using IME keyboard on my phone and have discovered that you can go to settings>locale & text>touch input>text input>reset calibration. That should reset your calibration to factory settings. I have also found that the calibration tool for IME works quite well actually, so you may want to play with that as well.

Hope this helps some of you out.

-m0nky
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
unfortunately the reset calibration button only resets the IME calibration, not the phone calibration... oh well :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaredakelly:
is the latest zimage in the bundle or is it the one to download separately
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
latest zImage is in the bundle. All that's been updated since the bundle is the initrd.gz
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaredakelly:
for some reason its not booting for me, i could use last version but this one just says:

"warning: 'rild' uses 32-bit compilation (legacy support in use)

then it goes on an endless stream of commands that generate every 10 seconds?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
if you have ADB working, you can plug in the phone and type 'adb logcat' and see if you can see if something is crashing...

otherwise, I'd suggest you copy the system, zimage, and initrd onto the phone again, they may have gotten corrupted during the transfer...

What do you use to copy stuff onto the phone? Do you have a mass storage mode?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaredakelly:
all i use is activesync (unless you suggest something different), i do have a mass storage mode, should i use that?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tallnerd1985:
Just out of curiousity, I read a couple pages back that there might be a Hero build here shortly? I was just wondering what the progress was?

Thanks

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Jeremy
[Touch CDMA Android Development] srwalter:
Good tip. I've also updated http://dasbrennen.isa-geek.org/~srwalter/vogue/CalibrateScreen.apk with a new build. There's now a button to reset calibration, in case you manage to hose it up really bad. Hopefully you won't be able to calibrate your way into a corner anymore, thanks to a suggestion by vilord. You should always be able to click on the red dots. If not, try going to the home screen and back (with hardware keys if necessary).

Thanks to the above, I was able to move the touch points closer to the edge of the screen, which should yield a more accurate result. Let me know what you think, or if you have any problems with it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
I have entered a new issue on the google code page.

Using bellmobility, when I send 2+ page text messages the other part ust sees gibberish. This never occurs with messages shorter than 2 pages, and I made sure there was no '1' before the area code.

I have a feeling this is because bell uses a shorter character limit in their text messages, 140, vs 160 with other carriers. Now I could be wrong but this is happening to me.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaredakelly:
i have that too, i have to send separate messages, it can't split in two for me
[Touch CDMA Android Development] evilninjam0nky:
I have noticed the same issue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] moekind:
When is msmission releasing his new build?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] aross6:
Anyone else having problems switching to Compact QWERTY with the latest build? It's pretty much the only keyboard I can use efficiently and even when I have it selected I still get Full QWERTY...

EDIT: Had to switch back to android-1.5-2009-06-30 verson of zImage to get Compact QWERTY working properly again...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
Make sure you are using the touch input, not the android keyboard.

To do that you hold down your finger on a text input box and when the menu pops up, click input method->touch input (I usually do this from the google search text box from inside the browser). It will remember your setting, so you only have to do it once.

I remember there used to be a way to turn off the android keyboard, but now I can't find it.

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mssmison will release his build when he is good and ready.

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our hacked SMS implementation doesn't handle splitting messages. I'm somewhat unfamiliar with that part of the code, but I'll look into whether it is on our side or the system side in the next few days.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] aross6:
You would used to have to turn off Android Keyboard to get the Compact QWERTY to work but the option to deselect the Android Keyboard is now missing... I think this may be the key to the problem in the new zImage.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
the new functionality is correct. Since there is no hardware keyboard, the menus do not show the option of turning off touch keyboards. So the hold-the-finger way to switch input methods is now the only option.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] aross6:
Sweet... Thanks for all your help, quick responses, and good work on the Releases... it is very much appreciated by all!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Ideal2545:
wait, theres a compact kebyoard!? the only one ive ever used/seen is the full qwerty!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
I'm uploading a new system.img and a new bundle now, containing srwalter's updated CalibrateScreen. If you don't want to use it, it will no longer give any errors on bootup.

EDIT: The updated bundle does include the latest initrd that I posted yesterday (fixed wireless controls), it also includes default-polaris.txt

To get compact qwerty, once you have your input set to touch input, tap the gear on the keyboard and change the "keyboard type".
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
Just thinkin'...

So a few pages back, there was some discussion about when we get to the point of flashing android to our phones, and how it would be nice to have a slim WinMo install to fall back on. Would it not be possible to program a function into android that will allow us to go into bootloader mode? (or whatever, it's called... the rainbow screen you see when you flash a new WinMo ROM) that way if android screws up, or we wanna go back to WinMo for some god-forsaken reason, we can just reflash, rather than worrying about how to slim WinMo down to like 48MB? This seems like an easier option, and would be my preferred way of doing things. But I'm not sure if it's even possible... although it sure would suck if we couldn't flash our phones anymore after flashing android to them.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] cointelbro:
is there a way to remap keys? the default settings are VERY wonky
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
This question has been answered again and again, please use the search function.

Also this control scheme isn't bad at all you just have to get used to it. Remember, we/they are porting an os from a phone that has a multitude of buttons to a phone that has very few buttons.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] frerydin:
Are there any settings i need to change to get GPS to work? im able to get 5-6 sats on winmo 6.5 in around 10-15 seconds
[Touch CDMA Android Development] theelite:
make sure you enabled GPS Sats under settings/security&location
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mburris:
on my Kaiser when in Android I can hold down the Camera and Power Buttons, then stick my stylus in the soft reset hole (that's what she calls it) and it will enter the bootloader. From there you can flash a winMo rom via sdcard or from USB
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tetrismonkey:
thanks for the tip

tested and works the same on the android vogue
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Link9228:
I really appreciate all your work! And DZO, you too! You guys are awesome!

Every release, it gets better. I started late in June, and I look forward to every update you release! I just finished downloading the most recent version.

Thanks for rockin' out my vogue guys!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
So this works from within android? I obviously knew it could be done from WinMo, but I just tried in android, and my phone simply did a soft reset.

EDIT: nvm, I tried it again and it was fine. I must've slipped off one of the buttons the first time.

So, I don't see much point in trying to slim down WinMo for a dual-boot in the future. Just reflash if you want WinMo back for some reason, no?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
the important thing is just to have the cam+power buttons held down during power *up*

so you could shut down android, then hold down camera and then hold down power and it should work (just tried it)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] grktaurus83:
Does anyone know the exact procedure that takes place when a WinMo rom is flashed?

One issue that may be a concern is the file system. Android is usually run from a different file system than WinMo. If the flashing procedure does not involve formatting the phone's memory properly, it'll usually error out during the flash because it can't write to disk in any way.

Something similar happened to me a long time ago when I tried installing XP on my laptop after I had installed Gentoo on it. The installer either wouldn't load or would crash immediately when it did. It took me a while to realize that I had to use a livecd to go in and delete all previous partitions (since they were all using linux file systems) and then XP installed just fine. I thought I'd be able to delete the partitions from within the XP installer but it wasn't working.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
when you flash a phone, it overwrites the NAND memory directly. the flash image contains a memory map, an XIP booter and the system. What I want for now is to reorganize the memory map, so there is a windows system partition, a linux system partition, a tiny windows data partition, and the rest for linux data.

Or, replace the XIP booter with uboot and then just split up the rest into system and data.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] ~David:
How fare are we from this being a reality for Android?

I can't even imagine the performance we would gain from running right from the memory instead of SD cards.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] grktaurus83:
Yea, this is what I expected. This is usually how it's done with embedded devices since:

1) the memory is small and it doesn't take long to overwrite everything

2) it saves an extra couple of write operations and extends the lifetime of the memory (since it has a limited read/write life cycle)

It's always better to be safe than sorry on this kind of thing. Haha!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] grktaurus83:
We also need a way to update our system from within Android.

Unless people are planning on just reflashing their phone every single time a new update comes out. That just doesn't seem like the best option.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
That's how it works with WinMo roms. I'm not really sure of the inner workings of WinMo though. With Android actually being a linux system, it shouldn't be a problem though, unless we're actually updating versions (ie. cupcake to donut), as we should just be able to copy/replace libcamerservice.so, zImage, initrd.gz, etc etc etc. This would be done with adb. Then reboot the phone, and updates are active.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
Instead of partitions, why not just make a folder on the base device folder? Then, when you boot up, you can choose to run Haret to boot into Linux, and if something goes wrong, you can choose to boot into Windows (aka not run Haret)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] aven_soulgazer:
If you mean the Sense UI I don't know if we'd be able to run it. I was looking up the port for the G1 the other day and they were talking about it being laggy and glitchy. I'd love to be able to play with it myself but it's great to have android at all.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
Got a class 6 card, we'll see how it goes. It looks noticibably faster from the start, but we'll continue to monitor. I came off a pretty heavy data session...emailing a link from the browser....and had a pretty good lag getting back home. We'll see how it performs over the duration of the trip.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
Cool, I just ordered one, I would like to know how much better it is :)

(And I will benefit from the extra 4GB as well ;))
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
I just changed to class 6 and didn't really notice much of a difference.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
What did you change from?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
Class 2 Sandisk
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
Sigh, then I guess I only did it for space then... that's depressing.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
Yup, I am discovering this pretty quick this morning...took about 30 seconds for the icons to pop back on the home screen after listening to a podcast via beyondpod. But the good news is it sounds like we may be able to run from the internal memory for better performance. The way progress has been going lately I'd bet the great devs will have a solution sooner rather than later.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] sequen:
The Back Button (Volume Up) seems a little too sensitive and always takes me back farther than i need. can this be adjusted in anyway?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
the sensitivity can't be adjusted. Key remapping has been discussed and a solution is being discussed off-board.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] pchasco:
For those who are on Verizon, I've figured out how to send MMS (picture messages). I've started a new thread for discussion and instructions on how to get it to work. Android MMS thread
[Touch CDMA Android Development] hossenfeffer:
Love this software

I was a big fan of NFSFANS rom on the vogue but man I love this setup, only thing not working for me is the voice dialer but I never used it anyway so no biggie, I got the new android client from Seven so I get my work email instantly, i had to install a file explorer from the market but heck that was easy. Wow I'm excited about my vogue again. Now if I could just find a divx player for this OS
[Touch CDMA Android Development] MynticeLX:
Which email did you get working? Exchange email or just plain Gmail?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
If he had to download Seven its probably either exchange or regular push email.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
I thought that after getting my class 6 sd card in there things would go smoother, but I am getting a ton of Force Closes on "Hone Activity" today. I did change out system, zimage and intird to the latest version when I loaded up the new card last night. I may have to trade out cards and see if it's the card or the files. This is getting kind of nasty...the screen will actually time out (1 min) before icons come back up.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] MynticeLX:
How long are batteries traditionally lasting for you all? I am using the package from the first post (the most recent) and will only get a 1/2 use out of it...

Also - what is the Seven download? Where do I find it? I'd love to have exchange support built into an Android build - right now I'm using RoadSync (which sucks).
[Touch CDMA Android Development] refthemc:
Getting almost a day out of it, but im also turning off background data and autosyncing
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mnherky:
I'm getting just as good of battery life as i got with WM6.5. I turn the data connection off when I'm not using it.

it you want exchange support look for an app called Touchdown i think the developer is nitro. it's free for 5 days then it's like $10. I have my work email and calendar working with it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
I got a good 15 hours yesterday with auto sync for gmail turned on, but not calendar and contacts, I sync those manually.

How is your performance? Ever have issues pushing the home button and having it hang with no icons for several seconds?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jurias:
ION soft reset after use

i've looked thru the whole forum and i couldnt find the issue im having..my phone keeps doing a soft reset when im using any app. please help.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
I also had a time out on loading home icons for the first time. I haven't changed a card. Seems kind of intermittent. Sometimes up to 30 sec to load all icons, sometimes less than 6 sec.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Ideal2545:
i get great batterylife with background downloading shut off, in about 18 hours i was at 66 percent or so. with background loading off and only email synching... i get 18 hours with about 30 percent batterylife remaining... still doing fine like that! id turn it off i was gonna be gone at a amusement park all day or just knew i was gonna be on the phone all day.

I really hope we can get headset microphones and/or bluethooth working soons so that I dont need to switch to winmo when driving in cali... stupid laws!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] Ideal2545:
maybe you should try to get get your phone warrantly replaced, something might just be wrong with the hardware on the phone thats only manifesting in android... or something.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
Try K-9 Mail for exchange email.

I get nearly as good as WM 6.1 NFSANS with background data turned of, GPS left on. With light to mod use, I can make it a good 18 to 20 hours.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] hossenfeffer:
It was exchange

Corporate exchange, it comes with gmail already enabled, but if you want instant email instead of the pull version that comes with android you can use the seven software for that as well seven client is athttp://community.seven.com/files/Z7-20_0-336010-def_seven-preview.apk but you have to turn off unsigned apps in application properties because you didn't get it from the marketplace

If the link doesn't work it's because you have to be signed in to the forum - go to announcements section
[Touch CDMA Android Development] frad:
I've got a strange problem with the GPS.

I remember it worked once before with one of DZO's older builds, but on the most recent one when I turn on the GPS in the settings and then go to Google Maps my phone soft resets.

Anyone know what the issue might be?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] MynticeLX:
Very strange battery life

It's really strange. My battery life is extremely spastic. I will turn the phone "off" (by hitting the end button) and it will have around 40% battery (still green indicator).. if I leave it sitting for 20 mins - I will turn it back on it will have drained down to 15% batter (yellow or red sometimes) and say I need to charge it. However, when I use it for a couple minutes - it will gain back to the 40% battery (back to green)... then I can turn it "off" again and the cycle will continue.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
I get this too. The interface for reading the battery life isn't perfect, and could probably use some work, but there are more important things to work on, like people's phones resetting, getting the camera's white balance to work, getting bluetooth going, etc etc etc.