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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
LOL........

I am disappointed, because I waited for it and wanted it so much and it turned out to be on par with the TP (or less). I have owned most of the HTC phones that came out in the past 5 years (although the X1 is the first I kept for a long time).

I wantED one.

I can't see the revelance of jealousy here. Jealous about what? Instead of looking for the fault in me, look at the device.

@ shingers

I had a full day with the device and I play with it from time to time in the University too. My friend has some classes with me. I am tech savvy enough and have enough experience with HTC devices to know what I am talking about. Don't be condescending.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
haha was quoting what he said! :D:D:D:D

read his reply to me above and you understand
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
will choose to ignore that! was actually trying to point out to people that may take what you write the wrong way that they need to respect your opinion! how is that condescending? funny how people interprete things on here!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nicelad_uk:
What a load of bo!!ocks. Why would anyone who is "Tech Savvy" want a 3.5 mm headphone socket when they can have wireless? 300+apps? What are they? Absolute crap, come on, what do they do?

You made a prediction in a full day? My god, I drove my BMW M3 for a day and hated it, then fell in love with it after the first month was over, like with all new things theres a bedding in period.

Besides the point that the X1 has MS3 and not TF3D, maybe a difference with speed or whatever you are moaning about is due to that?

Flash... Who buys a BUSINESS phone and wants a flash?

Nice opinions, but can't see the point in you coming over here and telling everyone they have bought a piece of sh!t, get a life man.

Go back to Sony world and let us have fun with our new toys.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
@ Orelsi, I Completely respect your opinion, I completely Loved my X1 too, well at first,

3 Units down the line though manufacture faults I pretty much gave up on it, and actually got out of my contract based on the fact I did not feel the phone was fit for purpose.

Spec wise, the TP2 is pretty similar, agreed, but I feel that HTC have done a really good job at polishing Windows Mobile up on this model, the speeds I am getting are something I have never previously witnessed, and this is with the stock rom!

My GPS is working properly now, and the unit does not get too hot using it (I am comparing this to how hot my Diamond and my X1 got)

I feel you may have not got the best experience out of your day with the phone, because in my "day" so far i have found the TP2 amazing! maybe you should borrow for another day :)

Cheers

Steve
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Hmmmm.............
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Nicelad, although you are fighting the same battle as me, I would suggest taht you have been a little harsh here.. we need to respect everones opinion on the forum :)

Cheers

Steve
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
a bit strong but totally agree with you! its not the same using someone elses and owning the device yourself! my friend told me to buy a dell mini 10 and after trying his one i was dead cert against it. now i bought my own its invaluable! the 3.5 mm jack on the blackstone is flipping ugly and it dominates the top of the x1.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] slick69:
You can talk fanboys in circles so easily!!

Compare an HTC phone to an iPhone... let's say the iPhone comes with 8GB of built-in memory. The HTC fanboys say "Oh! But I can use TWO 4GB microSD cards!"

Then you say, Well how about the space to install apps, shouldn't that be increased? They say, "Oh! But you can install apps to SD!" Never stopping to think that installing apps to SD completely negates the advantage of having removable storage.

Pity the fools that can't think beyond the words coming out of their mouth at that exact time. Its the same with people who talk about bluetooth or adapters for headphones or don't care about lack of d-pad or flash. You just know they're gonna defend HTC no matter what.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Mini 10 what a pile of cr@p get an aspire one LOL (you know im joking ;) )

similar argument actually, look at the standard "netbook" spec between the 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orbitalen:
As I can see from orelsi's profile, he is a Bulgarian (cheers mate :P )... There is that thing about us, no one can change our mind once we got it into something :D So I believe, that whatever you say won't change his ming either... :) So no point of arguing... Everyone has an opinion :)

About the flash - I don't think that a LED flash can cause the photo to light up ;) Xenon flash, yep, it's worth it.. but believe me, a LED flash can't be used about anything else but a flashLIGHT to find your keys or something :) If u wanna flash and a photo with a good quality, u just don't buy a MOBILE phone, but a compact camera. ;)

About the 3.5mm bla bla, I don't mind missing it.. The only thing I miss is the hardware dedicated camera button...

As for the D-pad - for instance, iPhone doesn't seem to have one, why the HELL do people buy it!? :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Slick, Please don't class me as a fanboy, I will try anything once, it is just that WM is my cup of tea - my last device wasnt technically HTC either :)

I have nothing against any make of device, all have their positives and negatives.

Also, when looking at functional specications (as I do daily in my job, you have prerequisites and "Nice to haves"

the items the TP2 does not have are indedd "Nice to haves", Id love a 3.5 mm jack! but i dont, but i can live with it... it didnt even come to my mind when purchasing the phone

Cheers

Steve
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
LOL i actually did but got a real good deal on dell! £50 less than acer. fitted in well so not a real prob! which acer have you got? i looked at the 4211c and the samsung n110 as well. at least we agree on the TP2! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Aspire One 150 i believe, love it, except the screen res
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orbitalen:
Forgot to mention something... The only thing I really miss is a more powerful CPU... I was quite disappointed when HTC announced the device with the "good old" Qualcomm 528MHz... I was expecting something better...

And something to add.. If HTC disabled the TF3D (mentioned on the 1st page :) ), then they would probably have waited the official release of the WM6.5 to release those two phones (diamond2 and TP2)... ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
ha ha i have never been so insulted in my life! fan man to you ok! having owned a nokia n95 8gig then n96, samsung omnia and omnia HD(rubbish) and so many more which i could fill up this thread. i currently own a iphone 3g 8gig model so your point is what exactly?......................:confused: SMH
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
I kind of agree, but i don't think the CPU is under speced.. if you think in terms of other devices on the market the MHZ are not like for like with x86 CPUS, and i feel the bottle neck for the majority of the multimedia stuff (which i feel would be one of the most intensive uses) would actually be the SD card
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
whats wrong with that? having a bigger chip doesn't mean device performs better! we have all seen the classic story of all these powerful chips in pc and they bdrag like dogs. what HTC have done is a damn good job of refining the device with what is already out there. this device is quicker, more fluid and responsive. who cares bout chip! typical example merc maclaren with so much torque that off the line all ya get is tire spin while a shed wid less torque will leave it for dead! i know what i'd rather have!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
I was really hoping this would be a thread about a mini-vacuum attachment. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
One word LOL - (or is that classed as three? - its been a long day)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Greenturtle:
That was so lame, yet so funny.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orbitalen:
Well, I'm not saying that this one is bad or something (and I do believe that it works brilliantly with the device), just was thinking, that it might go better with the 1GHz one!? Dunno, don't have that much of experience with mobile hardware (I'm more of a PC hardware geek :D ), so I might be wrong ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
who knows we might be able to change the chips and put a 1ghz one in there who knows! ahh ignore me just playing! we can only dream of what this device could do with such power under the hood!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Meh, Mhz dosnt matter too much however, a 1 GHz snapdragon would be pretty nice :)

guess my point is this is another nice to have...

I was gonna carry out some benchmarking... but cant remember the name of the software lol maybe another night
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orbitalen:
That was exactly my point! ;) I know that the TP2 performs great with that CPU, but what if... :D Again, saying that without knowing exactly how much the "power" affects the performance.. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] qazzi76:
Everyone who doesn't agree with the logical conclusions made by the OP of this thread is either lying to themselves or actual HTC Fanboys.

That's not an opinion.

It is simply a fact whether you like it or not.

Although some issues may be down to preference (FM Radio, 3.5mm jack, 20mb difference) there is no argument that can justify releasing a newer version of a product with:

- An older Processor made with a larger die size (Think wattage/power efficiency)

- No flash LED on a CAMERA (Again - this is 2009)

- No DPAD (As thousands of existing applications make use of it - it is REQUIRED and will be required until wm7 for legacy purposes.)

These are fundamental flaws - period - and deluding yourself because your happy with your purchase can't circumvent these flaws whether you like it or not.

Other flaws I will add are the:

- 3.2mp camera (again in 2009 5mp should be standard affair on this class of device)

- Snapdragon already!!!

- Available with Android and snapdragon (admittedly wishlist)

Seriously - The TP2 doesn't represent any type of innovation on HTCs part.

On another tangent...

I own a TP1 and recently one of my clients got an xperia and tasked me with pairing it with their exchange server (2007).

This was the first time I used the xperia and I was very surprised - it's just better than the TP1 on so many levels hardware and feature wise even the camera even though it's the same 3.2mp affair as the TP1 has a faster refresh rate and VGA recording! Its fundamental flaw in my opinion is it's keyboard which can't hold a candle to the TP1.

There's just nothing special in the market at the moment.

BTW don't even look at the Acer M900 - IT IS CRAP. (Processor just can't push the pixels around quick enough - I've read every review on it and can definitely read between the lines)

It is for this reason that I'm holding out for either Toshiba's or Sony-Ericsons snapdragon, hardware keyboard based efforts.

Also the Xperia 2 may look like this (http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/03/sony-ericsson-x2-spotted/)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
I have been singled out as a HTC fanboy before, but never as a Sony one......

Agreed on the slightly faster speed of the device (not thanks to the old ass processor though). It doesn't matter how many days I have it for. Even if I get it for a year that will not magically swap the hardware.

I am sorry about your X1 issues. It is true that certain factory batches have build problems and thankfully my phone is not one fo them.

The hardware speaks for itself.

Agreed. 500%

Cheers !!! :D

I am open to changing (or altering slightly :D) my mind if I see the evidence. Haven't seen any so far.

About the iPhone.......... It is a piece of crap and was outdated even before it came out. It is a feature phone and not a smartphone/pocket PC. It lacks the basics and is bought mostly by people who either do not understand modern tech or think they will look trendy. Flashy and useless toy.

Better chip = better performance. As simple as that.

ROFL ! We can turn it into one :D:

http://www.bizrate.com/vacuums_accessories/products__keyword--mini+vacuum+attachment.html

@ qazzy76

Damn that was a nice post. Thank god for rational and fair people.

LOGIC >>> fanboys

LOGIC >>> happiness from new purchase
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
funny............chuckle chuckle! :p
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
You have turned this thread into an argument.

There will be differences in opinion, fair enough, however, as with all forums everyone has the right to have an opinion.

I dont know who you think you are to go around calling people "fanboy"

I have owned every make of device you could probably imagine (excluding iphone - contracts too high for my liking)

oh who am i kidding go back to your "Fanboy accusing / hating club"

I never flame in forums but you have actually really upset me.

Moreso... who do you think you are going onto an HTC Developer site calling people HTC fanboys :S
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
OR, you know, the device actually meets their needs. You'll be amazed to find that not everyone has your exact requirements for hardware. Not everyone has a TP1 and so not everyone is looking at the TP2 as an upgrade.

Fact: a lot of specs haven't been upgraded

Not Fact: the device sucks

When normal people--non-fanboys--make a buying decision, they don't ask themselves "how much improvement has this model made over the last model?" They ask themselves "Does this device meet MY needs?"

Clearly, it doesn't work for the OP, and that's fine. Your sad pitiful attempt to objectivize his opinion makes you sad and pitiful. If TP2 doesn't meet your needs, don't buy it. But what's the point in demanding that EVERYONE else MUST AGREE on its crappiness or else they're liars and fanboys? It only makes you look desperate and insecure in your own opinion.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] nicelad_uk:
100% agree. I've loads of makes of phones and this is now my 2nd HTC phone, Touch HD and then this. Meets my needs more than 100%, cant say I've used a program that requires a D-PAD
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quarintus:
WHat is it with that D-pad? I don't hear anyone crying about it with the iphone or omnia. And please don't start about google android if you haven't used it. Compared to WM it's just nothing. All other (symbian, blackberry) OS are better than Andriod at the moment.

I'm really curious about the new snapdragon processors. How much energie consumption does it have, and when do you need it? For bussiness users? ATM, you can watch movies, play games etc. I can do everything I want to. ALso, if you want to play (3d) games on a small device, buy a playstation portable since you have proper controls for it too.

The camera is better than many 5 MP camera's on today's phones (if you read the reviews). I actually don't want to hear people say the touch pro is bad before they used it for 24 hours. And if people are still of that oppinion, then they can support their oppinions with some real life experience
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
I gotta say, I did used to use my D-Pad, before touch flo / scrolling was introduced, but since then i have found it to be redundant
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
come on rise above that nonsense dude! guy clearly trying to upset folks with what he is chatting! man can say what he likes as he clearly doesnt own the phone so i have no reason to give him an audience. hope that is not what orelsi was thinking when he started the thread but hey each to their own. as i always say there is good and bad in everything and everyone so can't change that!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Meh im over it, however, im upset you quoted me before i made my edit:

Moreso... who do you think you are going onto an HTC Developer site calling people HTC fanboys :S

:P
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orbitalen:
So, the conclusion:

You're basically saying NOT to buy ANY smartphone (with HW QWERTY) that is on the market today, cuz seems like HTC STINKS (releasing new old phones), ACER are CRAP (that is something I completely agree with :D ), and Sony's XPERIA DOESN'T have a good keyboard (which is quite important when buying a high-end device with QWERTY)... Good point, mate... :D Now what!?

P.S. I'm talking about WM devices :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
ahh sorry nothing on here to alert of possible edit! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] slick69:
It's true about the iPhone fanboys too!

"You don't need to run programs on a phone, what are you crazy?"

"You don't need to run more than one program at once, what are you crazy?"

"You don't need Exchange Activesync, what are you a corporate droid?"

"You don't need copy and paste on a phone, what ar... Oh. Yay! Hey guys, did you hear? Apple invented copy/paste!"
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
dont see how this post is appropriate to the thead. Its about TP2's weaknesses for certain individuals, not Iphone fanboys?! maybe you meant to post in the off topic forum?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kevinniven:
Thanks

I have the touch HD I was thinking about getting the TP2 but short of the keyboard im not sure why I should???

I already have the same rom on my HD thanks to Dutty!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
If you dont require a keyboard - i would wait till the next gen phones :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] slick69:
Did you read the entire thread, including my post on the last page?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
I agree, which is why in my last page im trying to get back on topic :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kevinniven:
Maybe

Your correct i should wait. I know ill end up in the store when it gets to t mobile with cash in hand! I have no Fu@%*ing control!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
best way to be!:D if ya not happy ya can head right back there!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
lol, I have no control either, thats what the wife is for ;)

Does anyone know if the data sheets for the Qualcomm cpus are avaliable, we can then see if there are any major differences between the cpus?

if there are indeed differences, this could have impact on some projects, one example porting of android
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
I'm wondering if it has to do with apps developed specifically for Snap/Treo/blackjack-style winmo devices. I'm a winmo virgin and I've never liked that portrait candybar form-factor, but I gather it's popular enough. Is it possible that certain app developers built their product around those devices and never optimized their interface for other input methods? Or just that users of that type of product have gotten attached?

I imagine most who started their mobile device career with an interface like this would warm to it more quickly than someone already accustomed to something else. People typically don't like change.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kevinniven:
LOL

I think it’s a sickness. I have so many gadgets I buy and only use very rarely!

My wife says I'm an assclown and need to get help! I tell her shut up and bend over! I always tell her if I didn’t have to support her ass I would have lots more cash to play with! Just kidding she's cool!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
Is your avatar your wife, doesnt look like theres a lot of ass to support :) lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kevinniven:
LOL

No, that’s her sister.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
man you've made my night as that was fuking funny. my mrs moans constantly and says i need the doctor. buy a phone use it for 2 weeks then gotta have another! phones are a hobby be it an expensive one! cheaper than performance cars though so i'm ok. got flipping x1, blackstone, TP2, kaiser, iphone 3g, few nokias, samsungs etc. man i don't do drugs, alcohol or smoke so i guess phones are my drug! oh yeah xda! MRS moans constantly as i dont go to bed with her! women if only they understood!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rosebud:
I dont drink gave up smoking 3 1/2 weeks ago and have a limited gadget fund... my life sucks :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
the longer you stay off smoking your gadget budget will grow. well done on quitting! hope you stick it out!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
Quitter :mad:

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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sino8r:
Has anyone tried Pocket Nester on the TP2 yet? Does it work well or at all?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
I think I might be able to summarize my thoughts on the TP2:

You are basically getting the same device as the TP with a slight face lift. That is a pure treachery on HTC's part. I feel betrayed. They are stealing your cash by making you pay 2 times for the same thing. Just like Sony does with the PSP Go!.

Many people say that it is the right device for them. Well then, If you are satisfied by an inferior device go buy it or buy a TP, because there is not much difference and you might save some cash. Better yet buy a feature phone. People who buy a pocket PC phone should not settle for inferior specs. They should demand the best IMHO.

1 - I will not repeat 10 times why wireless headphones are bad. Go back and read. I prefer not to have 10 devices to charge and clutter my life.

2 - Ever heard of xenon?

3 - Many apps are made with D-pads in mind. If you don't use so many apps, why did you buy a pocket PC phone in the first place? Buy a feature phone and be happy. No D-pad = less apps and games.

4 - Radio is down to preference, but please don't say that it is better to have an Internet radio than the real thing.....

5 - Processor - Look at point 3.

6 - Storage - Look at point 3.

7 - RAM - Look at point 3.

Both of you are sick !!! I have the same disease as well. But we are not alone !!! Check it out:

http://www.pocketables.net/2009/05/obsessive-compulsive-computer-disorder.html

MOD EDIT: Trimmed the Fat ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
MOD EDIT: Trimmed the Fat ;)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Are you brainwashed or something??? I do not know if you are just blindly repeating your father's words or what, but please stop. You are so wrong it is not even funny.

Read a textbook first and then come back. Open your eyes.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveShaw:
Please drop the political debate, this is a phone forum.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Couldn't agree more. Maybe you should delete those posts that are about politics only........
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
well what do you expect! loads a people have some strong views on both!