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[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
try removing all icons from your current data.img before swithing to the NK build if you want to try again.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] lazyvegaskid:
is there a big difference? I love this hero startup screen, kinda sucks the NK version says android but hey im not *****ing just minor details. Id love to program but I cant so im on here evereyday tryin to soak up all the info I can. Ill try out the NK build later for now im happy with what I got.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
Having problems updating my google maps to 3.1.2 again...I gotta try voice search! Anyone remember how we solved this last time? I tried the terminal to uninstall, but su isnt recognized?

BTW, I've never had any issues with GPS dropping while in maps. In fact I used it the whole time on my roadtrip that I just got back from. Updated to the hero build upon return and see that maps is back to 3.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
I saw some people saying they are using a 480 resolution, but with me it ALWAYS looks very blurry. Can anyone upload their default file so I can compare it to mine? I'm using the latest mssmison build and I have to use the lower resolution for it to not hurt my eyes :D

When I saw someone said it didn't look blurry, I checked my settings, but I seem to have the same ones :(
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
the nk build is very stripped, just like the original ion build. I'm not interested in making themes or packaging all the cool apps together, I'm more interested in other stuff. I just posted the nk build because i knew there were some people out there looking for multilanguage (and I wasn't sure if mssmison's themed build had ML, I didn't have a chance to try it).

The NK build has issues, and I'm not sure I'll be able to fix 'em. We almost lost mssmison last month because of so many people always asking for more and not being appreciative of what we already have... I'm worried that this might've been the last straw.

I know it seems like we have tons of devs, but if you think about it, right now it is basically just me, mssmison, srwalter, and dzo. 4 people supporting a huge project like this is difficult... dzo could possibly do it on his own (as he was before), but messing with the system image takes time, themeing even more so, and there's a lot of things left to do. Losing just one of the team will just make things take longer, or not happen...

Am I saying the users should just put up with us? Actually yes, I am. If someone went off on me the way you did on mssmison, I'd probably stop showing up on this thread.

Additionally, even though this is a public forum and you can say whatever you want, the comments you've posted are something that should have been dealt with off-board.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] nbpanjwa:
I agree, mssmison's builds are just amaizing... wish I could something like that. I have observed that mssmison's is more responsive to questions asked on this thread just like CodyBear used to be in NFSfan thread.

Also agree with Vilord saying "right now it is basically just me (Vilord), mssmison, srwalter, and dzo. 4 people supporting a huge project like this is difficult... Am I saying the users should just put up with us? Actually yes, I am. If someone went off on me the way you did on mssmison, I'd probably stop showing up on this thread."
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
When using mssmison hero, I just downloaded 3.1.2 from the market, and it installed just fine. GPS never dropped for me with the 3.1.x builds, it would turn off when going into any other parts of the program i.e. pulling up directions, pulling up the search bar, so that it would have to re-establish a lock when returning to view the map. this does not occur with 3.0.

EDIT: 3.0 has a fatal flaw, it does not follow your location on the map; going back to 3.1.2
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
Fresh data, perhaps? I'm using an old one, maybe thats it?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
He didn't put the idea down, he just said there are more important things to work on.

I'm of the mind that everyone in the community should be doing whatever they can. I'm not much of a C/Linux programmer, and would be mostly lost trying to get all this hardware to work, so I stick my phone in the freezer and log temperatures*. Maybe KERKEDAGAIN could program a new launcher if he wanted. Does that mean the main devs should drop what they're doing and work on each feature request someone brings up? Of course not, then we'd never get bluetooth.

I know I'm dragging this out longer than I should, but I need to put in my two cents.

*(I'm still getting to the low-charge test, Martin... it's hard to find the time, especially when I'm used to keeping my phone charged.... I should be able to get that tonight though.)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
I did use a fresh data with mssmison's hero theme. don't know if that is it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] blommer:
Devs, your work is very much appreciated, especially from us lurkers!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] rhorton:
I don't post much (obviously), but all the devlopment on this is tremendous and I try just about everything once...

Mssmision did you remove your build from the project? I certainly hope not...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
unfortunately yes, mssmison pulled his hero system :(

I'll try to get fresh data working with nk's hero theme'd system, but it is not going to have any of the cool functionality that mssmison had in his system....
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
I've removed my build from the google code page. I'm sorry but I'm just not going to put up with what's happened, maybe I'm being too sensative about the whole thing but I've spent ALOT of time learning to do this for everyone's sake. For all you guys who say you don't know anything about android/linux/programming etc... neither did I. I learned, I read I asked. I applaud vilords/srwalters and especially DZO's patience in dealing with this forum, I just have no more to spare.

I'll still be involved in the project, you just won't see any of my work publically released.

For those who don't know I've brought alot more to the table than just themed builds.

I'll leave this link for anyone who's interested in making themes. It was a great read for me and I learned alot from it.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=471586
[Touch CDMA Android Development] oxsolid:
Thanks Mssmision

Thanks Mssmision,

your work was appreciated, i'm sure the community will miss you; but i can totaly understand how it can be when you start spending too much time on one thing...as for the "renegade comment" it's definately the exception (not the rule) as i'm sure you know.

I'll be checking out the article you left, i have a knack for programming (but like you i also have limited time... wedding comming up), and if i ever get a chance to jump into some of the source i hope you dont mind if i ask you some questions

Thanks again,

Ox
[Touch CDMA Android Development] grktaurus83:
Seems pretty straight forward. kerkedagain threw it out there and mssmison made it clear that he doesn't have time to devote to this specific small issue. This issue shouldn't be made into more than it is.

kerkedagain had the right idea to ask about it, but also seemed to understand that it might be a fringe issue and wouldn't press too hard it if was an issue (at least that's what the "give me the word" part lends me to believe.

The only reason I would disagree with this is because this would lead to private flame mails. This could be worse. At least this way guys have some support from the rest of us on this board (as little as it's worth).

Put up with what? The devs have never been unreasonable or mean to people here.

Frustrated at times? Annoyed? Indifferent? Rarely! And why the hell not?! We get annoyed with the same questions again and again, we've gone off on people too, but they are the ones doing pretty much all of the work.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drprince89:
I hate to see your work go private mssmission, i just think that you should reconsider. There is always going to be the one person who doesnt think before they spew out their opinions. As you can see 99.9999% of us respect your work in fact most of us have no idea how much time youve put into this, we can opnly imagine, and because of that we dont make rude comments or become offensive. That post, as previously stated, was definitely the exception and not the rule, i know all of us would love having your work keep showing up here.

On another note, i have had crazy calibration issues for the bast week and i have finally confirmed my phone is not working, i am in the process of receiving another one as we speak, i cant wait to get android running again. Thanks vilord for th help you provided in troubleshooting my case, the issue will hopefully be resolved within a few days now.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] rodmann98:
This might be a bad time to ask this question, with everything that is going on, but I was just curious, Is there a way to download files when using the browser with android? Everytime I try to download something through android it tells me the file is not supported. Great work by the way guys. I have really enjoyed using android since I have loaded it.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaredakelly:
wow.........what happened since yesterday? :confused:

i haven't even read back to the comments and i see some crazy stuff going on. before i even read the thread it's obvious something stupid was said so let me say this.....

i've been following the android on vogue project litterally since it started a while back......i remember when the radio didn't work and we didn't even have a keyboard and we all were so amazed that android could even boot up on our phones....now we have android 1.5 with gps, speakerphone, gpu, unlimited app downloads, camera and a whole ton of more upgrades.....

it sounds cheesy but with android on my phone i've been able to organize alot in my life......i can input my money expenses to have a good budget in tact, i can schedule meetings in my google calendar and have it auto sync with my phone with reminders, i can get exact directions to my next meeting from my phone to my next appointment and if i get lost i can even look at the street view......not to mention a whole TON of other apps and things that have helped me increase my productivity and organization.

that being said i'd just like to thank all the key players involved with this:

thank you very much for your time and effort vilord, mssmison, srwalter, and especially DZO for starting it all.

(p.s.- on a side note i def agree with drprince89.......99.999% of all of us show gratitude and respect, pleeeeease dont let a stupid comment ruin it :) )
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mfpreach:
I don't know why he's taking one person's comments to represent everyone else's. Life is like that you got some good people and some dumb dudes he should just be ignored.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
there are a couple of file explorers that add functionality of being able to download whatever through the browser, Linda's is one, Astro is another.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
I'll help with anything I can ox.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
Yeah this is exactly true. Good answer tatnai. I use astro and have not had any issues downloading files.

Drprince, I'm glad you figured out your calibration issues you were having. :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
Way to go, now he pulled the builds. :mad:
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drprince89:
thanks, now im afraid they might send a diamond, which would have been nice before android, but now, not so much.

Which actually goes to show how important what you guys are doing here is. Without all the work the devs have put into this im sure most of the people on here would have taken a diamond over a vogue anyday, now thats different.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
Haha, do you use MoneyManager too? Or is there a better money management app out there?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] KERKEDAGAIN:
Sorry guys..

Ok..I feel like I need to apologize. I think I rambled so much that the true intent of my posts was shrouded and caused the downhill snowball that left us where we are. Bottom line: I want to start helping in development. I will study the link you posted, msmission; and the gist of my matchstick post was that you please provide me with further direction like that, not necessarily the answers to my problems. I'm tired of just sponging..i figure it can't be THAT hard and I wanna know where I can start. I already downloaded the SDK and have been looking for the past week on how to get started but I was mainly asking if use guys (the developers as a collective whole) could please let me know at least where to START reading since I know you've no time to tutor..
[Touch CDMA Android Development] drprince89:
I dont think you need to apologize, you were simply asking a question and you didnt decide to flip out on anyone, you shouldnt apologize or feel bad because of how someone else handled the situation.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] jaredakelly:
i first used budget droid because it's free :D

i'm experiementing with dgmoney because i liked the dgaway app so much i thought i'd give it a try, how do you like moneymanager?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
hey vilrod, any particular advantage to the NK system.img? noticed you put a plain and a hero, wondering what the difference is between the plain nk and the old system.img from 7-23. will give them a try.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
there are two major differences. First, it includes more languages. Second, more of the apps have ODEX (specifically all of the HTC IME stuff), so hopefully the HTC IME will be a bit more responsive.

For some reason, nk02 used the "english only" htc ime, instead of the multi-lingual one... but I'm not going to bother changing it, it seems that if you change the language in locale, it sorta works... no idea if there are foreign language dictionaries tho...

EDIT: Oh yeah... also I won't be updating the regular ion system.img anymore, and the nk02 one will be the one you see in future bundles.

So if there's anything about it you don't like let me know now!
[Touch CDMA Android Development] TheKartus:
For some reason the NK02 image doesn't seem to work for me. I get into it, and it tells me that process.android.acore has had and error and it makes me close it. This just keeps going in an infinite loop.

I am using the normal system image right before that and it works fine, and also the first released mssmission hero image worked fine.

Not sure if this is something with my data file, I may try it with a new one and the rest of the new stuff in the bundle and I can update here, or if its a problem that more people are having.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
thats frustrating... hopefully a new data image will fix it, but i didn't want to ask people to do that...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
Don't dump your data.img yet. Run a working system.img, whatever you were using last. erase all icons from the desktop/screen. If you changed the number of home screens using mssmison's extended home screen tool, change it back to 3 (don't know if this last part is necessary, but the first part is). shut down, swap the system.img out to the latest you want to use, and you should be up and running.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
that's a much better option!

lemme know if it works please :)

tatnai, have you tried nk02 stuff or are you using mssmison's image?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] dzo:
I just put a new kernel on the google code page, it's not very different but fixes a reboot when using audio_in straight after the camera.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] zenulator:
Thanks

I just wanted to stop and say thanks to mssmission for all his work and help on the various threads on android and vogue. I build my own system images from source at home and its time consuming as is unpacking and editing initrd then repacking and transfering it back to your phone letting it boot up only to find that something is not right and start the whole process over again. Stuff like this easily blows through hours of personal time so I can understand the frustration. I tried to port hero over several weeks ago and eventually gave up. I've been looking forward to seeing what mssmission had cooking up but I guess I missed out. Any way keep moving forward and I appreciate all the hard work you've done.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
i've got some inside info that there is a possibility of a rogers (with exchange) and actual hero (not just theme) system on the way from one of the devs... we'll have to wait and see if it comes to fruition
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
What are the other benefits of the rogers rom other than exchange? I'd be interested..
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
there isn't that much in it... its an htc rom instead of a google rom, so it has exchange and music... i'm not sure what else... Certainly better language support than my nk02 images.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] derekwilkinson:
New widgets?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] mssmison:
hmmm maybe the htc dialer with prediction..
[Touch CDMA Android Development] vilord:
yeah thats a good one. I wonder if it can be ripped out and ported to ion... :)
[Touch CDMA Android Development] tatnai:
it works, I believe mssmison had stated this before; kill all icons/widgets if you have a loop when switching from one system image to another.

running nk hero now. runs fast. no problems with it so far. missing the battery percentage on the lock screen from mssmison hero, i liked that.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] grktaurus83:
Also doesn't have the variable home screens, hiding of apps in the app drawer, etc.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] canyoufindben:
Rogers HTC ROM

Will having the Rogers ROM get us any closer to just flashing Android on our phones? Will it give us any insights to fixing MMS? I don't know if Rogers is CDMA or GSM.

Nevermind, a quick search shows me that Rogers is GSM. Sorry, should have searched that before I asked.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
If I'm not mistaken, no, a Rogers ROM shouldn't get us any closer to a flashable image. From what I understand jesse/derek's obstacle at the moment is being able to partition/format the NAND memory in the vogue to something other than a standard WinMo filesystem.

I believe we've obtained other android ROMS... the only thing they'll do for us is give us new system.img's with possibly new features, like Exchange support.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] TheKartus:
I'm at work now, Ill see if I still have that system file in another folder of some sort. If I don't, I'll check that when I get back home. I removed all the icons to get the first hero theme working wasn't sure if I still needed to do that.

EDIT: I got my phone connected to my work computers bluetooth connection so I'm grabbing the latest hero filesystem and zimage, so I'll check it out.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] oxsolid:
modem reboot

fyi,

i'm getting the modem not to reboot properly with the NK hero... (i have to reboot the phone when i lose data)

i know this had been fixed in an earlier image...

so maybe it just needs to be transfered over... otherwise i'm doing something incorrectly...
[Touch CDMA Android Development] craig0r:
my modem reconnects as it should on this build. maybe download the files again? also martin put up a new kernel a few hours ago, you could try that. *shrug*
[Touch CDMA Android Development] cointelbro:
i have a little idea about the button mapping "issue" (well, it's something that bugs me anyway, i keep almost dropping the phone trying to one-hand it using the slider so much, but maybe i have dumb hands, haha)

wouldn't be possible to fix the button remapping requests and the lack of all the android-required buttons by adding a layer between the buttons and the android system?

what i mean is, instead of having, say, the center button actually send the center button hardware signal, why not have a program running that catches the button press. so the program sees that the button has been pressed. it then checks to see if the menu is open. if not, it sends the menu button signal to the OS. once the menu's open, it interprets the center button as the "ok" button as normal.

same with the red button. it could be used both as the back button and as the call end button, depending on context. this method could also be used to make the top power button have more windows-like functionality--if the device is on, it catches the press and sends the sleep signal, if the device is off, obviously it just wakes it up as normal. the center button could be coded to act as the home button when pressed and held as well. this would also free up the volume slider and the camera buttons to work as originally intended on WinMo.

anyway, this is just an idea, don't know if it's been thrown out before, or if it's even possible, much less how to do it. however, if nobody's interested in tackling it, if someone familiar with the code who knows whether or not this could work could point me in the right direction, i'll try to figure something out, although i don't know how good my coding is.
[Touch CDMA Android Development] katmandu421:
Just wanted to say that the audio progress is great. Speakerphone, according to the persons on the other end of the call, is seamless. Great sound, apparently. The voice search in google and maps is outstanding. Voice dial is lacking a bit, but I think that is Androids issue, not the devs.

Also, a not on performance. It has been better going home and not freezing by minimizing the number of widgets I have. At least it seems to. Also, swithing apps using the app switcher (long press home) makes this a non-issue in the car...gotta switch between imeem or last.fm to maps quite a bit, then even pop open places to find a POI, awesome travel companion! Also using green mileage to track mpgs!

Will be using it again this weekend for a sort road trip!

Thanks as always!

+1, btw, for missing mssmison's contributions:o
[Touch CDMA Android Development] rhorton:
Something similar to what AEButton Plus does in WinMo would be perfect... I too have dumb hands and I also worry about the slider wearing out and needing replacing.

Has anyone ever had the volume slider break?
[Touch CDMA Android Development] cointelbro:
yeah i've seen posts about it before elsewhere, but that was after a year or two of use

we're kind of pushing it with the kind of use it gets in android, though
[Touch CDMA Android Development] crono999:
I think I mentioned this briefly yesterday, but didn't see a reply and didn't want to bring it up again until I'd done much more testing. Since I first loaded the mssmisonsystem, "android.process.media" is force closing on me. I am unable to have any ringtones or notification sounds. I've gone back and loaded all of my previous system.img files, and the issue continues to happen. The moment the phone tries to make a sound, or I open the ringtone setting, the error occurs. Is there any fix for this other than a fresh data file (that did work, btw, but I have a lot of customization to my existing data file I'd rather not lose). Any help would be greatly appreciated.