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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
I didn't have that problem. You may have to wait a while for fixes like that, it may be that Tux's port will incidentally fix it, or maybe not!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
that's actually the first thing i tried after seeing the post but all i got was half a black screen. if you or anyone else have any tips for running it with the current kernel it'd be much appreciated.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ZaxXx:
Doesn't work on my HD :(

lots of "mmc1: Command timeout"

then "mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /mmc failed: No such device or address"

then "mount: mounting /sdcard/tmp/system.e2img on /system failed: No such file or directory"

looks like it doesn't recognize my card... :(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tids2k:
did u try sandisk or transcend . with transcend it wont work.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] brumbrum:
Current kernel is really broken on Blackstone. Sure it boots, but it has alot of problems.

We all hope that Tuxhero creates a working base-kernel so that the development will start again.

But I still think we need developers to take a look into how to create a Android ROM for the Blackstone hardware.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ZaxXx:
that's the problem :( I hope transcend will be supported soon
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
They work if you format them the right way, IIRC.

Do a search on it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KJx89:
IIRC? Is a file system? I know only FAT, NTFS, HFS (journaled or not), Reiser FS, EXT :)

Regards

Kappa
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
IIRC means "If I Recall Correctly".

Im sorry for that!

Its been discussed in this or the other android-thread before, just search for transcend and i guess you will find it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KJx89:
Oh, nice thing to learn :)

Regards

Kappa
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
is there much of an overhead when it comes to performance running through haret rather than a native rom or with the correct drivers are we likely to get something that runs as well as say for example the hero which i believe has the same processor and ram spec? i am however expecting the resolution to degrade performance slightly.

second question... is there a way to get haret to boot android the second you open it rather than having to press the run button? it seems a somewhat unnecessary step. with that i reckon it's simply a case of changing the haret logo to the android logo and renaming it to 'android' in the form of a start menu shortcut for booting android from winmo and then having a soft reset shortcut in android named 'windows' with the windows logo to 'boot' windows. i think that'd create a fairly seamless dual boot experience.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Some of your questions have been answered...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
Renaming default.txt to startup.txt should do the trick.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jtwinn:
I don't know if I am posting this to the right thread or not, please bare with me. I have just seen a video of the HTC Hero, WHAT A DEVICE! I own a Blackstone and was wondering if that that rom could be flashed onto the HD. :D What a beautiful interface!

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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Powerbik:
Hey if you need help on the webhosting front, you can ask me. I have a dedicated server and I could run another website on it, dedicated to this project, or perhaps if you ever need to host git that could also be done it has 160GB of storage.

Maybe I could dedicate an entire site to the development of Linux/Android for HTC devices, is that a good idea? Send me a PM or reply here if you are interested :)

Also good job on the project, I love that it has been restarted!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pronik:
Having read manifest's file format (to be found in checkout sources under .repo/repo/docs), I think we'll need the following for a quick start:

1. A vendor/blackstone repository for Blackstone's configuration

2. Possibly a clone of msm tree (already there)

3. A local_manifest.xml describing both. All the other bits should remain on the main android server.

One question that is bugging me: what do we do with proprietary components of Dream? Will we need those, where do we get them and where do we host them if they are needed? These are the following, according to Dream's configuration:

* libhtc_ril.so HTC's Phone Interface, might be important

* libaudioeq.so Hopefully an audio equalizer, wouldn't miss that if I had an otherwise complete Android

* libqcamera.so HTC's camera, probably needed

* libgps.so GPS, Probably sorely needed :(

* libhgl.so 3D acceleration, OpenGL etc. Needed as well

* brf6300.bin Firmware blob for something

* akmd No idea what this is.

* Fw1251r1c.bin Firmware blob for wifi.

The following are apparently just configuration files:

* AudioFilter.csv

* AudioPara4.csv

* gps.conf

* tiwlan.ini

One more point: tuxhero, can you consider hosting the stuff on github? It's free, fast, solid, easy pulling, code reviews etc., so it has lots of puzzle peaces we are currently missing.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
@pronik git web interface is fixed. we can't host our project on github now because it's free account is has 600MB Space limit and our initial git will be more than that.

Before starting work on Android we need to have a fully working kernel and it's very complicated so we need to put all our efforts on writing kernel code. Android is not a hard thing we can manage it very easly. so untill we have kernel atleast with basic features we will not go for android.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
@Powerbik Thankyou for your support. I managed to setup git repo in my server for now it's fine i will surely contact you if i need anything.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pronik:
OK, understood, even though you could ask them for more space.

How do we start? How do we test the kernel? Could you post some notes on how you do it? I'll be researching generic android debug possibilities too, so if know anything about it, post it too please :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
I'm not a coder or even Kernel Hacker but maybe my idea is useful. This Thread contains a driver for Blackstone Graphics:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=442712

As far as i understand source-code is available for everyone. Is this something that could help in the future?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
@Rumbi we already had Graphic drivers but they need some clean up we will come to that very soon.

@everyone first thing we need to do is to get booting support from Haret. so start working on it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Powerbik:
Alright, thanks for the answer.

A dedicated website to draw attention (from more devs perhaps) and centralize news isnt that a good idea though? Could be for more HTC devices.

Dont mean to push you just trying to help ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LikeM8:
tux, What I have to do to help you?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] debsid:
Kernel Help

Well Im not a kernel developer in anyway, Im more in the graphical tweaking/creation department.

I did stumble accross an individual who may or may not be part of XDA-Developers who may be able to help with kernel development:

http://sites.google.com/site/siteofhx/Home/android

He has Android running on his Asus Phone as well as a Linux Distribution. Yea I know it not HTC, but I think you can get all of the usable help you need.

When the time comes for graphical content editing/creation, hit me up and my assistance in this area will be available.

Cheers
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
@Powerbik

I think more dedicated websites may get to confusing. I would recommend to read http://www.htc-linux.org/ and http://www.androidonhtc.com/ . Maybe you could all work together. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cscmf99:
great to know this project is still on-going. this is an amazing work.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Powerbik:
Ah cheers, I didn't know about these sites! They do not seem to mention anything about the Blackstone though, just other devices.

The porting of Android to that Asus P535 is also interesting. It seems to use hardware acceleration for the rendering of the UI, as everything goes extremely smooth. Could try to co-operate with him!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
Just one quick question:

i dont mean to rain on everyone's parade but why did the original project fail and what's being done differently to avoid this from happening this time? Didnt the old devvers decide that because of the hardware it was not possible or something?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ghorricks:
Will donate when some progress is made and I can see the project wont be abandoned... I would urge everyone interested in an alternative to WinMo to do so when they can.

IMO Android will be updated more frequently than WinMo, so it will benefit everyone to get Android working on the HD/Blackstone.

Way to go guys!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LikeM8:
to my mind, the hardware of the HTC magic and the Touch HD (blackstone) is the same... except for 3G using. So We have to develop our driver for specific 3G chip, and front side camera.

Well, what is the status of this actual project?

What I have to do tyo help tux?

Regards
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Rumbi:
I'm not sure if i remeber it corrcet, but i think xmoo said that he doesn't have the time to go on with it so he stopped. According to comments out of #htc-linux nobody really knows how far development really is. i think tuxhero can answer the question what's really needed. According to the wiki (and also #htc-linux) audio is the biggest problem because that doesn't really work on other non-android devices as well.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] orux:
Hello, happy to see new people getting involved!

There is a big problem with comunications between modem and main processor through rpc router system. Modem controls a lot of things, including sound and more. Modem operating system (amss) is not compatible with supported linux drivers. We need to translate what modem needs and offer to what linux wants and offer, but those are complex functions; it is not easy to disassemble and trace. There are people working on it (see #htc-linux channel) but I repeat, It is not easy, it requires a lot lot of time.

You need to be patient, this is a long term project.

Good luck!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
orux i am very happy to see u. I know that it not easy but i want to do it. I don't how much affords and time it may take but i want to finish it. This team need people like you orux please join us and help us.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
awesome,

thankyou friend.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] El Massman:
Done it. Used the template from the iReflect icon thread and made an android icon. All you need to do is press hold on haret.exe in file explorer and create shortcut in programs then navigate to windows/start menu/programs and rename the newly created shortcut to 'android'. then use hcomber to replace the icon with the one posted here. if you follow dwaradzyn's step above, haret immediately loads android when opened. i'm going to look at something similar for android as i suggested in a previous post by using a soft reset shortcut or something similar named 'windows' with the windows logo. this provides a kind of cheap 'dual boot' effect with the press of one icon under each OS taking you to the other. i've been playing around with this using the version of android on the wiki and can say it works very well. i hope some of you find this useful.

regards,

marc
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dwaradzyn:
It is absolutely feasible from technical point of view. But at the moment I think (my knowledge may be outdated) there are more urgent things that need to be addressed in terms of Linux kernel developement for MSM7201A based devices and softreset does not work properly. Your suggestion is very practical and there will surely be an easy way to do it when kernel development advances further.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dam1galan:
good job !

i'm waiting the release :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
Well sir if this project by TuxHero is successful then we may well see that interface on OUR beautiful phones :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
Hi!

I cannot wait animore!! I think, this monday, I will buy a HTC Hero. What do you think about that?

masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lethalfriend:
Any update from Tux ???? Wait is getting longer and longer... Com'on Tux release something. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
I think you're making a mistake.. en mi opinione sir. As for my reasoning! Well I shall tell you another time when I am not intoxicated to the extremes as I am now. GOOD DAY.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jtwinn:
I can't wait! GO TUX GO! GO TUX GO! :D

Maybe I am a little too excited huh? :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
What are the reasons to wait? Just the bigger resolution of the Blackstone? The HTC Hero has a compass! The last days I informed me much about the HTC Hero. I just want to test it, before I buy it in the internet.

Sometimes I have the feeling that Tuxhero resigned for the following weeks. I have the feeling that the drivers would be ready in February 2010.

I have the money for a new phone! Why should I wait? I mean, I prefer Android on the Blackstone, but I prefer more to have it in some days.

Greetings, masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
I cant see why it would be a mistake?

The Hero looks awesome, that trackball looks great fot gaming, we wont have that.

The only thing that would make it a mistake is if HTC release a new Android phone before x-mas. Is there any rumours going?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
For those who want to Buy New HTC Phone i suggest you read my post before you go to shop.

http://blog.androidkernel.org/?p=62
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rajaraj:
Thanks for the info...but can we assume that we can morph our HD into Android powerhouse soon

I think time stands first as a non-renewable resuorce

Awaiting your release eagerly :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Broken record here, but there's still no open source for this project :(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I am talking about general Opensource Projects. Opensource does not mean Blackstone-Android project it's a one tiny part of Large OpenSource World. There are many developers working on this type of projects like people at IRC, Voage Developers etc.. I am asking to support all the opensource developers than a**hole company like HTC, Microsoft etc.. Grow.

By the by opensource does not mean write code in public. Opensource mean release code to public and give it for free.

When code is stable this project code will be released
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
Back on topic, I take it that this project is still nowhere near releasing anything meaningful for the android port to Blackstone, not even any code made available and no other developers working with you on the project?

The vogue android port was conducted very well, this appears in some way to be a bit of a shambles, or am I being too harsh?

Ive sat back and listened to all the comments, promises of something being released week after week and some surprises, but the only surprise so far is that absolutely sod all appears to have been achieved. And now you're having a go at HTC, Microsoft etc after insulting the original kernel developers early on with comments about their code being crap - way to go.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
@Tuxhero: When could you release a working Android without audio but with wlan and the other hardware-stuff? What have you coded until now and when can you be ready? I think that the programmers, who will code the "sense" for the blackstone can start then because before they couldn´t, because of missing usb-connection and other stuff.

Greetings!

masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xaoc747:
maybe this http://www.androidonhtc.com/ will help you!?!?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kva:
It seems that blog.andoridkernel.com is dead. At least it shows me godaddy.com instead of blog... I'm a littlebit dissapointed. Probably will open 'new' project soon on github, so everybody will be able to contribute. The only thing is lack of documentation which tux already have (at least he said he has it).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
ok, because the site is down now, here the last two messages from the site:

Don’t fall for HTC Marketing Tricks

August 9, 2009 at 6:32 am

I found the may people are showing much interest in HTC Hero. I want to give some suggestions for them. Many Recent Devices from HTC like Diamond/Touch Pro/Touch HD/Diamond2/Touch Pro2/G1/G2/Hero all contain same hardware with different form factor and different Software. With Every new devices HTC release new version of software and market it as a new Device (with something spl). If we are able to crack this hardware platform then our devices will be like our PC’s Install your favorite Operating Systems and the application you want and ready to Rock & Roll.If you continue to buy there devices HTC will never change. I Request every not to fall for HTC Marketing tricks and wast your money on same hardware. Please promote and Support Opensource and Free Software.

Google Android is also very good but vendors like HTC are doing the same thing with Android too so please think before you act.

If you really want to go for other device then i suggest iTouch or iPhone at least they give you new version of there Operating System for your device even after 2 to 3 years. I know we need to pay for there new version of Operating System but at least they are providing update version with new features.

Good Hardware + Regular Updates + Software Features Updates + Good After Sales Support = Good Vendor

Blackstone Update

August 9, 2009 at 6:21 am

Hi friends here is the project status update.

IRQ,GPIO,Clock,Vreg are the core parts of the msm platform in android proc_comm.c code is used to handle this 4 core parts. In wince all of this are handled in different ways so i started finding how this code works and writing code for it. While working I found that in wince smd_com.dll contain proc_comm implementation i felt very very happy that it will solve all the core code problem and started working on it. I try all the ways i can but it’s not working at all. So the only way left is to get IRQ,GPIO,Clock,Vreg working fully with out proc_comm and we have all the code to get them working fully but the problem is some function like vreg set rate are available through RPC. We need these function at boot time and they are not available till we get RPC Initialized. So now i need to find a way to get this function working at early boot stages (working on it…)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] blacriderv:
I totally agree with the first post "HTC Marketing".

HTC use old hardware on new devices (look at the spec of the new HTC phones) while others manufacturers use new hardware, as A8 Cortex and Snapdragon.

Also, look at the benchmarks of old devices and compare it with new HTC devices : THERE ARE NO IMPROVEMENT and the worst is new devices are even LESS POWERFULL than old devices.

Currently, I have a HTC HD, but the next device will not be a HTC for sure if they still put MSM76xx @ 528Mhz !

We can say bad things about Apple but the truth is Apple cares about customers, look at the iPhone 3GS, it got a better hardware compared to the 3G.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] placella:
http://blog.androidkernel.org no more working
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
yepp, page seems off.

information flow is really a bit disappointing. and it remembers me of the words of some freelancers, breaking promises again and again.

on the other hand: he don't get the job paid... only unknown donation on success... and each one of us has his own problems in life.

so let's sit down, eat some popcorn and watch the progress of the show.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nova_vx:
There are no progress in this show!

You will watch a black screen!

It's time to sell "old hardware".

€ 350 touch hd with warranty.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] crypta:
nah, I rather lay back and enjoy the movie. maybe it has a good end, and is worth giving credits.. maybe not.

my HD is a great device. and android... don't know.. call me paranoid... but I dislike google, so it won't be my main mobileOS at all. but I am interested in testing it and .. maybe... reveal my judgement 'bout an OS "organised" by the all evil google.

my oppinion.

btw: the telephony possibilities made by 3rd party WM programs are a reason for me to set up an asterisk@home. in generall I am not sofisticated with mobile telephone speech quality (and even VOIP services here).. so I stick to normal ISDN... but I is expensive to expand the possibilities... filtering, forwarding etc.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] b-e-a-s-t:
Alternatives

I am going to see if this Andriod Port comes to pass...if not, why wouldn't everyone jump to the Xperia X3 (Rachael)? That is my timeline...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Cyclone_storm:
Exactly, I was thinking the except same thing. I really like the new X3. :):):)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
Totally agree with You, all manufacturers are in the game for making money. HTC is though just unbelievable.. ****ty quality and expensive.

A friend of mine has an Nokia XpressMusic 5800 (?), boy his screen was good compared to my ****ing HTC Touch HD! I could even use the thing in direct sunlight, with my HD that is (or was) just a wet dream. He also mentioned that he plugs it into the wall just once a week, that with 3G allways on. I charge mine every 3rd day or sooner.

But, they say one learn from mistakes and so have I. Touch HD was my second and last HTC phone, period.

Nokia has good over all hardware/quality phones. However, Symbian is imho for "business use only" and though not too sexy.. This will probably run Maemo 5, hopefully it is good:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/08/08/nokia-rx-51-tablet-captured-in-the-wild/
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
Sorry! I just bought a HTC Hero! I have seen it in a shop here! It was sooo ****ing good! And when I sell my Touch-HD in eBay, I just have to pay 100 Euro more and get the HTC Hero. The 100 Euros are for multitouch, for the display which has a handling REALLY like the IPhone!!... and for the compass.

OK, the display is smaller and there is no radio inside, but I cannot wait anymore :-) And I also think that the hacked Blackstone-Android never will be so good like the HTC Hero. I remember the times, when I upgraded the hacked Windows-Mobile-Version from my old XDA-Neo... many errors....

Maybe the actual developers are better, but I cannot wait anymore.

Tuxhero you are good and a good programmer, it is just the time ;-)

Ciao!

masr