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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] itchy8me:
unfound logic

right... i have just been reading all the posts in this thread right from the start, these are my conclusions:

+ tux knows what he´s doing and is (or at least was) seriously interested in developing the kernel for the blackstone.

+ He foresaw that he would come up against a wall in the developing of the kernel (just like the previous developers) but renounced giving up on the development once reaching that point.

+ The flame wars that started here started through what i see as a lack of impatience for the posting of the code giving the amount of donations received (funny enough this was not started by the donors). I myself would have also have liked to seen a collaboration code posting point from the very beginning and am puzzled why tux never decided to make daily updates to ANY collaboration server. HOWEVER: this does not mean that tux was doing nothing, i believe it is a point of view.

+ There was definitely a failure to collaborate, i and someone else , crackwhore (and 2 others i believe), offered to help out in the development, these offers where not picked up promptly, which i think added to the misunderstanding on this thread.

+ I feel however that the flaming here has NO justifiable basis, to me it seems that code would eventually have been pasted and collaboration eventually would have occurred, and i also think that it is no coincidence that xmoo (and eventual team?) left xda as well.

that being said, tux, i would still like to offer my help in developing the kernel, i honestly believe that you earnestly want to develop the kernel and i too would like to see android working on my blackstone (instead of this terrible bog wm) and would like to become skilled in the linux kernel.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] purec0de:
well said sir!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
I find this ironic coming from you. Most threads dont end up like this because, often, they are not swarmed by people accusing the OPs of lying.

Yes he did not present his work nor share his work, making his claims baseless in your view, but just because he has not presented anything, does this make him a liar? This made your claims equally baseless and as for protecting people who had donated to him from a scammer, they donated using their own minds, they weren't hypnotised or anything and i am sure the members of the xda community are more than able to see potential developers and support them without someone like you running around and conducting CRBs.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
Woops, double post.

Consider this emphasis !!!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] OnlinePredator:
http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=7719
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BlastOS:
+1 Well said...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] debsid:
HTC Blackstone-Android Project??????

Well this was a kool project until the 30 pages or so of childish banter started.

Now tuxhero has to waste time making a website at http://androidkernel.org/

to restart the project, instead of working on the kernel.

Im just interested in getting android on my Blackstone, and when we have a stable working android for the Blackstone, I will donate.

If tuxhero is serious about moving the project to http://androidkernel.org/

then this thread should be closed.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Exactly. They arent questioned since they usually show something upfront or at least collaborate with other devs.

No it doesnt automaticly make him a liar, and I have never called him a liar, not sure if any one else did though. All I expressed was my doubts, and that I was waiting for something more than words.

Personally I have had no beef with tux, If you guys cant take it that im sceptical, its your problem.

I will shut up from now if you just get off my back, we made our point like 10 pages ago.

I made a mistake answering jt_kirks post though 'cause I guess its useless and pointless trying to explain anyway.

peace!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Nice!

Exact same processor like the blackstone, right?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kael:
owwwww

my bucket of pop-corn is not even empty...:D Was a nice fight thou :)

Why can't we all behave a little bit, create a thread where only some people have the authority to post, to make things clean.

If Tux really develops Android, good for him, if he doesn't, too bad, I won't die because Android isn't on my phone, it won't change my life by a millimetre, and if Android is ported to the Touch HD, it will be good, but it won't change my life either. And nobody's life will be thoroughly changed by that.

One thing is to completely banish donations on this site, I mean, it's a community. Mods could then open donations if the project is working (aka without 10 million bugs or starting once in a while).

Just my 2 euro cents (more worth than $ cents :D:D )
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] OnlinePredator:
Yea, thats what I was thinking hey? Wonder when it comes out......Get some Russian's to use donation money and buy one, then dump the rom....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gerdgerdgerd:
@tuxhero

can you give us the status of the current kernel developing process and androidkernel.org? btw i hope you dont stopped developing.

thx
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] itchy8me:
i believe that tuxi is no longer reading this thread :(
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ALF@be:
That's true... :(

But I can confirm that he works on android kernel...;)

You can see him, time to time, here...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gerdgerdgerd:
oh that sounds good, cause androidkernel.org is still not available.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
Woow, what I read at day 6 here: http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux&day=6 at time 21:42, does this mean that audio-recording and gps works???

Greetings, masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lovej:
there is a program about android on blackstone!

and i test it.But the program only a demo ,it does not work in network,wifi,call,and so on!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
I dont think that was reffered to the blackstone.

Good anyway.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] checkeys:
The Rom of the HTC HERO is already on XDA:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=533808
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
What is special about the Mobinova Ice is that it has the same processor as the Blackstone, that can hopefully give the devs alot of help getting it to work.

The Htc Hero doesnt have the same hardware so it doesnt help very much, i think.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] syahmanowar:
This one will be great..

Check this out..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcVdcStE9po
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] avalon.ask:
androidkernel.org

According to http://irclog.netripper.com/?chan=htc-linux&day=7 tuxhero is working on androidkernel.org site. I hope that he will not abandon the project.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] JanSchotsmans:
I wish people talking about Android would quit the "it has the same CPU" banter. It only works to show you don't know anything.

We've had many itterations of linux boot on the HD, the CPU support has been there all along.

The hard thing is getting all the other parts working. All the interconnect communications to the radio, the display, the graphics, the SD interface, the FLASH interface, the buttons, the camera, etc, etc.

Graphics has only been done hack wize, framebuffer manipulations, no real clean implementation of the HD's graphics has been done yet.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Well thanks for the clearification.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ghorricks:
"Flash" interface?

Is it really an Adobe Flash interface? If so, is there any souce available for the interface?

As a Flash developer of over 12 years, I'd like to know much more.

Gav
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BlastOS:
it's not flash from Adobe but flash memory
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hmmhmm1222:
just wondering, i was speculating, i really love my HD, but after seing what android can do, and the apps i have been missing on WM i now find on android i have been pondering to sell my HD and maybe go for the Hero, we will se about that, but i was wondering how long until we would se a everyday usable working android on HD? i guess that is a very hard question to answer with so much variables, but if the Pros and developers had to give an estimation of completion :D , then i might keep my HD and donate to the developers and still have android.

If you say two years i might go buy my hero anyway :P but three to six months would be good :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] NioXe:
Well, if I understood it correctly he hasn't abandoned the project it self - just this forum. This because of a dispute with some of the users here on the forum.

It would indeed be very mucho f**n nice maximus to have the new HTC Android on the Blackstone. I would leave the WM OS within a heartbeat. :cool:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sudo_x60s:
HTC Touch HD was the last HTC phone I will ever t o u c h.

Now after using the phone for about 6 months, I have once again realized not only WinMo sucks big time but also the hardware is pretty crappy (the over all quality is quite poor).

The Touch HD was over priced. For the amount of money that I did spend on this phone, I should have gotten better quality on the hardware.

I yesterday got back to my old Nokia E-series (even though I do not like Symbian at all). Looking forward to the new phone from Nokia that is running Linux..

Once again, shame on YOU HTC for not letting us have the drivers needed. Bye HTC, RIP Blackstone-Android project.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nova_vx:
who's the HERO?

Yesterday I read all the irclog and imho who's developping android is lot more cr2 than tuxhero... :eek:

See the log to believe.

:cool:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nizzon:
Lots of devs for other phones there too.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
let me clarify for you...

there is group of committed people who have been working towards an android port for recent htc devices. their work will hopefully get it working on blackstone as well as diamond, raphael and others. this includes cr2 and several others such as tmzt, dcordes, dreamkill...

tuxhero tried to go it alone, but seems to have pragmatically accepted that team efforts will be more productive. this is great because we can now see that tux is indeed a talented developer and together they will hopefully get the job done quicker.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
there's no news on the website - still the default set by the hosting company. Have any of those who donated heard any news? (tuxhero said he would add them to a mailing list, right?)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nova_vx:
This is what i mean! On this thread he said lot of things about the bad code that was written before and than i saw him ask to these devs tips...

hmmm...

Last time i've joked but now i think it's better sell my hd to buy an hero...

It has a good hw or not?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] itchy8me:
when he says bad code i believe that he means what many developers do , myself included, and that is write untidy code void of any set rules, not that the code was not logical or buggy.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
I am not a master of universe i am a normal person and i do get need some tips.

Don't rush to sell you HD we are very close to get it done.

non of the Android Phones has 3.8"" screen think about it and rest of all are same hardware as HD.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] str0nz0:
Thanks for this good news.

I still was hoping that work is going on, i hope you will suceed with this project. best wishes!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] baadsha:
HOW CLOSE

so this is great news. so would you say that before the hero has its official launch in uk we can have android on our HD?

i would love not to upgrade to hero and keep my HD. I love my HD. and android is gonna just make me love it even more.

Please please give us a approx date of android HD.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel76:
cant wait !!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lethalfriend:
Keep up the good work tux. We are with you for your success. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nova_vx:
No one of us is master of universe but i send u a mail with exact and very clear questions why u haven't answer? :confused:

I hope u are right when u say "very close" :)

Who know if when it's done we have multitouch o not?

(imho this is the step put hd very close to iphone)

thanks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] docmehmood:
hurraa for Tux and his team

hurray for the tux and his team....

keep up the good work guys....

i m waiting for the android to see it on my hd.....

:):):):)

:):):)

:):)

:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] z4kn4f31n:
If i'm not mistaken, multi touch is more of a hardware issue than a software. And HD's hardware sadly doesn't support multi touch...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
If i keep giving answers who will work on actual problem?????

Status:

Here is a update on the current status:

All the adsp code has been fixed but for some reason it's still not working we are in a way of finding where the bug is ones we found it will be

solved immediately. Ones we are done with audio i will fix all the Wifi,Bluetooth,GPS,GPRS etc.. in just few days as i has all the information we need to get the above hardware working i am putting all my efforts in adsp code.

According to http://www.umpcportal.com/2009/02/multi-touch-comes-to-resistive-touchscreens

Multi Touch is possible on our resistive touchscreens ones we are doing with all the hardware support

we will play with Touch Screen drivers.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DanMccoy1:
Great To See You Posting Again Tux :)

Cant Help Much As My Dev Skills Are Almost Non Existent, However Need Any Graphic Design, Flash Or Simply Testing Let Me Know. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
@tuxhero :

about that testing -- if you need anymore testers then PM me or just post here :D -- I usually find stuff which other people dont find on Phones-- oh and I am able to get anything lagging or hanging + I have a lot of free time cuz I dont work atm, I am just sitting at home doing nothing-- untill my rear starts to hurt bcz of the sitting! !!! :D :D

good to see that android development isnt stoped, I really would like Android on my sweet HD !!

Good Luck on development! :)

Kristaps
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] king831:
@tuxhero

keep up the good work man and your team,thank you in advance,very excited
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masadav:
Yes, according to that demonstration, multitouch is possible (and actually better) on fairly standard resistive touchscreens. However in the video Stanton states that they gave guidelines to the touchscreen manufacturers to which the touchscreen was made.

Multitouch on the Touch HD screen might not be possible if it doesnt meet those guidelines (hard to say without knowing what the guidelines are).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] callum116:
I have Faith in Tux and the team if it can be done then there the guys to do it
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Tux, it's obvious you're still working on this project (despite your claims to the contrary), so would it be at all possible that you keep people up to date in the first couple of posts on this thread?

The site you said you were moving this project to ( www.androidkernel.org ) is still a parking page, if you are indeed intending on creating this new site for android development, have you an ETA for when it will be ready for use?

I'm really starting to get annoyed with this thread. Blind support for someone (or a group of someones) is ridiculous. Without results, no one here can say what tux can or cannot do.

And so far, there have been no results
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ASK768:
tuxhero never said that he left the project - he said he left this forum. Proof can be found in the irc logs and in this thread, just a few pages back.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I'm not getting into this again, so just ignore what I said. I'll leave it there for Tux to answer, but I'm not responding to that ****e again
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] purec0de:
its like ground hog day init!! lol :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hobs:
Please take your time to read this wall of text.

Why is it so hard for you people to just sit and wait? We are ALL eager for a release of Android on this phone, but unfortunately it takes (some, lol make that a long) time for this to happen. I've seen several projects of porting Android fail on these forums, and that might even be the case for the Touch HD (no pun intended Tux and the rest).

If you want Android as your phone's OS, just buy a G1, Magic or wait for the Hero (Samsung has got a nice phone in the pipeline too).

As for Android on the Touch HD:

- be patient, please stop asking for a release of an unstable version which you are probably not even gonna use, because it doesn't fully work...

- also, please stop the non-contributing posts to encourage Tux and other devs, they dont want/need your support.

- lurching around on XDA waiting for an Android release for this phone has NO use whatsoever (selfreflection ftw), because you cannot contribute to a faster development. Go play outside, do some work, finish tasks you're supposed to have done a week ago. When Android releases on the Touch HD it will be big news and be all over the internet, so you are probably not gonna miss it.

My two cents, now I'm going to try to get this thread locked (futile attempt probably, but worth a try).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] patp:
+1 there are about 4 posts on this thread with any content, let's bin it and move on. The folks who are working on this daily do not use forums as a base anyway, and by the way, you can already run Android on your hd. there will not be a "release date" just a long iterative process of making the hardware work.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hpn:
Well, help yourself by stopping reading it, then.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
Ah, the beautiful anal retention of selective quoting
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tuxhero:
daniel.hunt there were two people against me cr2 and patp. cr2 and i are working together now, patp understand that i have some talent but i don't understand what your problem is. Don't think that i am trying to start fight with you. I am just trying to know what's wrong

with me so that i can correct myself.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Imperium:
There is nothing wrong with you, he is just *****ing.

Do your thing in peace and dont let people get to you. do it for the people that are gratious for you and the other people working on android. If you can manage that we would all be happy eventually :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I have no problem with you right now at all. My comment was directed at hpn, not at you. How on earth you thought I was referring to you is beyond me.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hpn:
If you dislike people putting words in your mouth, guess what you can do to prevent it.

It wouldnt stop your anal leak, though.

:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Techvir:
Tuxhero,

Dont post here and waste here time. I am looking forward to see android working on my handset and you seem to be the best bet.

There are all kinds of people here and people who B**** more get all the attention and in reality they should be totally ignored.

Please keep up the good work
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] docmehmood:
tuxhero

i agree with drgopoos....!

you keep up the good work and leave the guys doing what they r doing, as they nothing to do except back bitagains u actually can't do anythinging, u know what tux hero the ppl who r against u actually can't do a good work like u r doing......

so best of luck...:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pLUSpISTOL:
Glad to hear the good news Tux!

Ignore the haters, they're just trying to distract you :)

Keep up the good work!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] stefh:
Tux you are the man, don't bother what impatient people have to say... They are just frustrated they still have to work with winmo ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] moer99:
so is this project back?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
@tuxhero: You and cr2 are the BEST!!! :-) I don't know who also works at this project, but you will get android working :-)

@daniel.hunt: While tuxhero and cr2 are working on the adsp, maybe you can start porting wifi and the other hardware? Until now I did not receive nothing from you, daniel.hunt! tuxhero gave us a patch. Now it's your turn, daniel.hunt! Give us something!

Greetings, masr
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel76:
tuxhero - i found this :

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=532453

its a hero interace that this good man did....maybe it can help u in the project and u can combine with him......

just a thoght....

daniel
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Borbosch:
Hmm...

you know that this theme is made for throttlelauncher and throttlelauncher is an app for Windows Mobile, do you?

Tuxhero is trying to port ANDROID, so why this Windows Mobile app? If you have Android on Blackstone you can use Open Home with the Hero Skin or better: The leaked Hero Rom itself...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I've already stated a number of times that I'm not a kernel hacker. I'm a PHP/Java developer. I've said I have a willingness to learn, but that having a first-time kernel developer on the team will probably do more harm than good.

@Borbosch - That seems to be the prevailing problem in this thread. People who have absolutely no clue about what's being attempted here, sticking their oar in.

*edit*

Also, before anyone chimes in to say "you're just as bad as them daniel.hunt, so go jump in a river" (or something equally asinine and ill thought through), think about what you're typing before you throw me in with that lot.

I've not *once* criticised anyone's coding.

I've criticised the general approach to a team based development process used here.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nova_vx:
If you're not a kernel coder, why you're critic the way they dev?

the important thing is port android on hd, not HOW they do.

Personally i don't like your criticism, don't help at all.

Please if you don't think to do better than tux or others devs working on it, don't post anymore.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daniel.hunt:
I criticise the way this project is being handled, not the code that is being written.

I'm shutting up about this now (I know, I keep saying this...), because people just refuse to actually understand what's being said.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] masr:
@daniel.hunt: Yes, ok, if you said nothing against anyones coding and just the general approach to a team based development process used here. But NOW I am criticising YOUR general approach to a team based development process used here. You can read a book about Linux Kernel Development and help us a little bit! But your code is not even hidden. Your code does NOT exist! Have you at least donated? Or did you do nothing? This reminds me on these many welfare recipient in our town, who have everything... television... a valuable car... and much more, who "get annoyed" with the country because they want some more money for a new waterbed.

OK, when you post again, I want to see some help or encouragement from you that you will get android for free.

If you praise tuxhero, android for our blackstone will be there earlier. If you ask him for the ETA, it will need more time! Everyone works harder if he gets encouragement :-)

Greetings, masr