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[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
You guys have to understand that, THAT IT IS STILL OUR OPINION AS WELL.

We are mad that SE is making what you guys want. But they aren't making what we want.

If they made an X2 for your tastes and another X2 for our tastes then we'd be happy.

I come from a very stingy family, and every inch matters. For example, when we go to a buffet we stuff our stomach, because we have to maximize what we get (until we become super rich and eat like spoiled brats).

And sure if I was super rich I could buy one PSP with the big screen for movie and entertainment and one slim Pocket PC Phone for business activities, then wouldn't I have to carry two portable devices? Doesn't that defeat the purpose?

Our reason to want as many inches as possible and still have it fit in our pocket is because if we maximize all features to the highest specifications than we get an all in once device. And maybe one day I will get rid of my REAL GARMIN GPS and finally use a Pocket PC Garmin GPS. The Xperia's screen is too small, the turn by turn directions isn't loud enough. So I have to buy a freaking bluetooth stereo unit? Are you kidding me?

As far as I know 4 inches is the maximum size for our pockets, but it is the perfect size.

And 5 inches is also a perfect size but the screen has to be very narrow but long like the LG Chocolate 4.

btw, the PSP's screen is not much bigger than 4 inches and the PSP's resolution is very low, the device is much bigger than a phone with a 4 inch screen, and it doesn't tilt like the Touch Pro2 for an easier portable movie experience. It doesn't have a phone on it. It doesn't have a GPS. You have to use physical buttons ONLY in order to control the playback. You would seriously want two separate devices? Sigh...

Anyways, to the people who agree with me (so far just Orelsi), I don't think the companies will make everything absolutely all-in-one...atleast any time soon. What will happen to these companies if they can't sell standalone GPS units anymore? What if they can't sell MP3/Movie players anymore? That's bad for business and I don't think other companies like that.
[XPERIA X1 General] informatico:
I dont understand you guys when u say i dont want to watch a movie on my phone ... .nobody would watch a movie on his phone ... would be boring but only in some situations. Like games, u cant compare gaming in mobile devices with an xbox or whatever but when u are travelling have nothing to do .. is great just to play a game or watch some funny clips ... and 3.5" makes a huge difference. if u think that is just 0.5" more you are wrong ... the old nokias had 2.4" that is uncomparable with our 3" of X1 and is just 0.6" more. So ... my point in all this is we dont need 0.5" more to make it a movie device or gaming device ... but to increase the overall user experience, like web browsing ... navigation, reading etc. I use my laptop to browse the web ... but i use my xperia to browse on the move for a short time ... and i can tell now that i have also n97 that the browsing experience is much better. Immagine it like this ... u can make a bank transaction with a se k750 xperia x1 or a n97 ... u can do it with all the devices but your experience and speed would change drastically. we need best experience without having to carry a big brick in our pocket. and i think a slim 3.5" device with few spaces around the screen is ok for my pocket ... otherwise i would go for a netbook.

I hope SE makes the right decisions.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
I would go for a netbook too, but actually I want a net book with phone call features....get my situation???

I was dying to get a OQO Model 02 because it's more portable than a net book but the fact that Xperia is a phone convinced me to get a phone instead of a computer that can't be used as a phone.

Depressing isn't it?
[XPERIA X1 General] ring-bearer:
I also vote for 3.5 or 3.6 inch screen. I came from a Palm T|X and the large screen was nice for a lot of stuff. I don't care how stupid the device looks, as long as it's got all the specs. I'd carry around a brick if it had a big screen, was blazing fast, and finger friendly.
[XPERIA X1 General] informatico:
hmm well... the OQO or netbook wouldnt make such a big difference for me since they both cant be carried in a pocket ... you would surely need 2 phones also if it had phone capabilities. That oqo maybe can fit in a pocket but seriously that thing is huge to be carried around ... like in a party ... or other situations...

but again, thats my personal opinion ...
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
That's why I said 4 inches is the maximum size for your pocket.

OQO Model 02 has a 5 inch screen... besides... I said "that can't be used as a phone"

This is because of the form factor is designed for a computer interface, and not a phone interface.

And the thickness hinders the phone usage.

But those complaining about Toshiba TG01 either don't know how to connect their keys to their belt loop and therefore have little room in their pockets or wear really small pockets.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
So true.

4inch Xperia would be my dream device.

Anyways, I wanted OQO 2 as well, but never got around to it :(. I still want a good umpc (netbooks suck) and if Viliv makes a S5 with a slide out keyboard - I AM SOLD :D.
[XPERIA X1 General] aussiebum:
... they're labelling a Android-based 4 inch phone with no keyboard as Xperia 3 :) no keyboard though... but seriously, at 4 inches the landscape keyboard will probably be as big as the X1.

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_rachael_gets_specs_and_a_proper_name_–_xperia_x3-news-1030.php
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I would have liked it, if it had a hardware keyboard and WinMo on it.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Personally Model OQO 2+ looks better... what is better about the Viliv S5 anyway?

[Also is it true that the 2+ Model was canceled? And is it true that this company is out of business?]

Gosh I really wanted that device!
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
Well for all those with 4inch screen - I recommend buy HTC shift and a big 28in screen. From EIZO or Samsung. That's even better for watching movies and overall carying
[XPERIA X1 General] rp-x1:
Not sure I'd be happy carrying around a 28 inch screen with me!
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Unfortunatelly yes. I was looking forward to it as well, but..... here take a look:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/21/rip-oqo-company-discontinues-repair-service-disconnects-phone/

http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/15/unreleased-oqo-model-2-sells-for-4-500-on-ebay-must-be-love/

Viliv makes the best umpc devices out there at the moment. I personally like S5 the most, because it basically has everything you might need: fast processor, connectivity options, nice screen, great battery life and good looks lol. I need a keyboard though. I can't stand touch only devices.

Brick.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
I wear normal size jeans and (except if u have them very baggy jeans or if u wear a large waist size jeans) the toshiba does not fit in the pockets.

including myself 4 people tried the tg01 and none of us could fit it in are jeans pocket (i am waist size uk 30 and one of my friends is uk 34).

maybe in a suit jacket it would be fine, but for me at least and everyone i know who has tried it thinks its too big to be a everyday phone.

i would say a 3.5" screen is the biggest size before the phone becomes to big, im not talking about carrying a pda but a phone and this is what SE and other companies (htc, palm, rim etc) are trying to make (and move away from pda type devices).

As i said this is my view and i respect that others look for different things.

just 2 questions to them:

1. Have u personally tried the tg01? (in your pocket and as a device as a whole)

2. If u wanted a large screen pda like phone, why did u buy a x1? (and not a hp or asus etc pda)

I will say it again everyone has there views and these are respected.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
I bought it because I had no idea how small the X1 was...but I still love my X1. I also didn't know that it didn't have a mouse pointer software that I wanted. I also didn't know that 3 inches was suppose to be small. And XD, I thought the iPhone's screen was 3 inches.

I guess I've learned from my mistakes.

And the reason why I didn't buy a PDA was because.....PLEASE DON'T MAKE ME REPEAT AGAIN!!!!...was because it doesn't have phone calling and it's got low RAM, and few have 3.5 mm headphone jack and no keyboard. Sigh...........what the heck happened to my comment on the productivity of a complete device?

@Nevermind, your comment was rather insulting, and if not than it is amusing.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
thats why i ask if the people who like the tg01 have tried it as a lot of people see pictures and videos like i did, (even i liked it) till i played with the live handset only to be disappointed with the phone.

i find the best thing to to before buying a phone (especially at the prices they are) is to have a good play before buying to make sure its the handset for u.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
if the uk u can buy pda's that have phone calling and keyboards. not sure about headphone jacks and ram.

i have just looked and u are right about the ram, they only have about 128mb, what is very poor
[XPERIA X1 General] h0rd4k:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/27/sony-ericssons-xperia-x2-demoed-on-video/
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
1 - I tried a non functioning one. It was the same device, but an early model or something that couldn't be turned on. The size was perfect.

2 - Because PDAs suck compared to pocket PC phones. They got much worse hardware and capabilities. Software not so much, but still :D.

Absolutely.

Beat me to it :(. Again :(:(.

EDIT:

How stupid are the editors of Engadget and some of the posters there? It goes off, because it's an early design lol (from what I know). Nothing to do with power.

Also, sorry nevermind, but someone didn't care about your warnings :(.
[XPERIA X1 General] barlw:
Yeah, what a bunch of idiots, the "Main Battery Very Low" warning that comes up several times in the video has nothing to do with power.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
What were you saying again?
[XPERIA X1 General] barlw:
You're right, the low battery warning and the screen turning off can't possibly have anything to do with each other.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Better admit you were wrong. Be a man. Did you read that quote? Trying to be sarcastic won't get you anywhere when there are FACTS thrown in your face. Just saying....
[XPERIA X1 General] barlw:
The quote says "in submenus the screen turned off". In the video, the screen turns off a lot, not just in the submenus. Every time it happens, it seems to be 5 seconds after the guy lets go of the touch screen, which seems to me like Windows Mobile's inactivity timeout, except with a much shorter duration, most likely because of the low battery.

Edit: Also, "the facts thrown in my face"? It's a FACT that in the video there's a very low battery warning. It's a FACT that Windows Mobile has a timeout for inactivity.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Ok, whatever. I don't have time for this.

I am still waiting for nevermind to say something.
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
I think I said this before - but the low battery is just a bug. It appears from time to time, although the battery is FULLY CHARGED or even CHARGING. And even it shows sometimes full battery and it's really full, it does the same - screen is turning off. But no point in this discussion, as it's just prototype, or in other words - beta version. I tried to do anything but nothing helped. It just does. But it's obvious the final wont do that. And it's really no point in continuing in the discussion about battery ;)

But this was awesome

It's just LMAO. They're probably just jealous and want to insult, that's all. And try to make video with one hand and control with second hand

And last one, I did not give permission to those fu*kers to post the video. So their bad, wont post anything else about X2. No pictures, no videos. I clearly stated I do not want any pictures or videos somewhere else.

And some dumbass who probably didn't finish school (cannot read and understand what's written here) posts that.
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
**** them, sorry my bad language.

Thanks for info!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Yeah, I was too lazy to dig it up though.

I laughed at that one as well :). I bet they wish they had one in their hands.

I knew sooner or later someone was going to do it, so thanks for everything you posted so far. I will not ask you anything else, because that is what this forum deserves. Thanks to someone's stupidity no one will get new info.

The language is perfectly suited for the occasion :mad:. Agreed 100%.
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
well yeah, i was almost sure it would happen. but i expected that the person will just ask. no, those stealing commies didn't. i'm pretty pissed off because i posted that just for this site and not for them. Obviously they cannot understand or read what i said. So i can wish them much luck while getting any information. I'm sure those dumbasses will know of course more about that device and what to do.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
So you're gonna give us info in the for of language right? One question... if some jerkoff took your words and didn't cite or give credit to your name would you retract your knowledge on the X2?
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
Sorry, I think I don't understand what you mean...
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
it means if we quote you without giving credit to XDA or to "Nevermind" are you still going to stop giving us information about the X2. Written information is what I am talking about my friend.
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
if it's a quote from here, then no problem. Don't need credits or so (if ya wanna them, can give any info to you and you can give it somewhere else with your name ;) ). I mean no more pictures or videos
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Well I guess I will have to unsub to this thread.

Just kidding.
[XPERIA X1 General] dashauns:
This sucks. Not you though nevermind. Nevermind is now equal to or greater than awesome. Before he was just great lol. I would love to be able to play with an X2 i have been following this thread closely trying to get as much info as I can on the phone. I am really upset certain people had to ruin it for us all.

I apologize for the horrible math equation but I couldn't help it. I am trying to lighten the mood as the thread was getting kinda hostile.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
So nevermind,

Verification Questions

Stereo speakers or mono?

Audible click or laptop style buttons?

Mouse cursor or no mouse cursor?

Speaker grille at the top?

Speaker grille has many holes or little holes?

Are the two slits at the back designed to improve sound?

Preference Questions

X1 Volume rocker vs X2 Volume rocker?

X1 Camera button vs X2 Camera button?

X1 Stylus vs X2 Stylus?

X1 Optical joystick vs X2 Optical Joystick? [does not concern D-Pad]
[XPERIA X1 General] ratchetnclank:
All good things must come to an end i guess.

And may i say thanks nevermind for being a good guy and sharing info with us and posting pics and videos. Much appreciated from all of us here in the xperia section.

<3
[XPERIA X1 General] informatico:
Nevermind can u tell me please if the bigger screen makes a difference for u personally ... (its not a question about the phone itself... :D ) but just if u like to tell me if the bigger screen gave u more confort personally ...

Hope u answer

and F*CK those retards at engadg.

Regards
[XPERIA X1 General] m1le5:
JUST DUMP US THE ROM! im hooked on that video of the ui....just dump us the friggin' rom ;) pweeeeeeeease... :D
[XPERIA X1 General] doministry:
Just read the THREAD!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] m1le5:
Lol I didnt even read what engag said: lol. It is funny that they genuinely seem jealous...theyve been monitoring xda for ages...randomly reporting on stuff when they dont have anything else to publish wm7titanium and stuff...but it's just because theyre loosing all of their sources. Dont worry about it man! Would love a rom dump though ;) well itje would anyway :D pweeeeeease
[XPERIA X1 General] imperiallight:
Guys don't bother with an OQO, I have one but they have gone bust and you wont get any customer service. I find myself using the x7510 and jawbone 2/style-i more these days, much less of a footprint in your pocket too.

The difference between me buying the X2 would be at least a 3.5" screen, I dont mind if its thin like the n97 screen but it has to have the width. I guess I might wait for the HTC Leo if they have similar release times.
[XPERIA X1 General] D-SouthWest:
Nevermind

Is there any news about the comin up about the SEX2?

Thanks & peace
[XPERIA X1 General] Maidenakos:
yeah!!!!! x2 rocks! we know release date?? or not yet?
[XPERIA X1 General] xdadJeroen:
no we don''t.. but nevermind does.. don't you?
[XPERIA X1 General] tjex:
It's still a couple of months away, be patient everyone.
[XPERIA X1 General] megg:
I've read x2 will have a panel to remote control the ps3.

Do you think this panel could work with x1 too?

I hope so!!! :eek::eek::eek:
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
I know it will work.
[XPERIA X1 General] vinokirk:
Finally...last page! Phew, what a read, pity I got here too late to see all the pics. nevermind, it sucks to have people steal your work, I know the feeling all too well.

I have a few questions for you. I hope you dont mind, and I hope i don't get flamed. I was writing these questions as I was reading, so I have answered some of them myself, if I'm wrong please correct me.

1. You have said you work for SE, does your work know you have the X2? Yes

2. Does your work know you are putting these pictures on xda-dev?

3. Have you been given official permission from your manager to put pictures of this prototype on xda-dev?

4. How high up are you at SE Prauge?

5. How many people as SE Prauge have been given an X2 prototype?

6. Is SE Prauge where the X2 is being officially developed/tested?

7. Are you working solely on the X2 project or do you have a hand in the other models of the X series? I don't work solely on the X2.

8. Do you have any input on its design? For example if people on xda-dev keep saying 'Put the power button on the side', you can go back to work and say 'Hey look 50 people have said they want the power button on the side can we do it?'. No I do not have any say in the design of the X2

9. Who is manafacturing the X2. I cannot say.

10. How many prototype X2's have been made so far?

Sorry for asking 10 questions, I just wanted to clear a few things up, that I felt haven't been asked yet :)
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Let me try to answer those and see how many I get right lol.

1 - Yes. He has said that already.

2 - Nope and they wouldn't care. Already said as well.

3 - No.

4 - Lol. You seriously think he is going to answer that?

5 - He doesn't know.

6 - It is one of the places.

7 - Not other X series. Other SE phones though.

8 - He has answered that already.

9 - Read my sig.

10 - Doesn't know.

;)
[XPERIA X1 General] megg:
Originally Posted by megg View Post

I've read x2 will have a panel to remote control the ps3.

Do you think this panel could work with x1 too?

I hope so!!!

do yu know if this ps3 remote connection will use bluetooth or wifi signal? thx
[XPERIA X1 General] megg:
double post sorry....
[XPERIA X1 General] markoc84:
Sorry to bring this subject up again, but it has been a while since we had an update.

So i was wondering has anybody seen any more information on when we can expect to see this phone in the shops.

Just that its coming up to a year that i have had my X1 and its almost time to upgrade, so just a bit curious.

Any info much appreciated,

Thanks
[XPERIA X1 General] THESpideyWVU:
If I remember the specs for the X2 correctly, it doesn't look like much of an upgrade at all... I've always loved SE but they've dropped the ball here.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
the official ps3 remote and pads use bluetooth so i expect that is what the software/panel will use too
[XPERIA X1 General] thorstenn:
x2 next week

announcement next week :) finally we will see the specs!

http://semcblog.com/2009/08/24/xperia-x2-will-be-announced-on-the-next-week/
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I wouldn't hold my breath....
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
well they will have to announce it soon as i expect the x2 to be released in the uk (probably most of europe) by the end of the year (late nov, early/mid december) which would make it a year after the x1 release in the uk (late nov).

lets hope if this is the announcement we get full specs and final design so we know if we should buy it on release or look elsewhere for are next handset.
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
I have almost ;) decided not to buy it, because there will be no XDA support. Even, if it is the greatest device ever? Yup.

What will I do when it brakes? What if I have a question? Call SE support? LMFAO!
[XPERIA X1 General] informatico:
For me will be just a question of how better the HW will be ...

if it has real good HW upgrade (esp. CPU, GPU) its tottally worth it ... since X1 is really slow ...

if they will try to sell us an x1 in a different box (uglier) that's not for me :)
[XPERIA X1 General] informatico:
HEHE ... SE is sooo slow ... i hope u are right ... but to me ... if they are still same old SE ... it will available be by mid 2010 ...
[XPERIA X1 General] megg:
you're right...but the psp use wifi connection to remote play the ps3 so that's why I asked .... ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] oTToToTenTanz:
Official announcement...PLEaSE! : )
[XPERIA X1 General] nevermind:
Sorry, been gone for a trip to Malaysia, Indonesia and Korea. And got problems with my account as well..

In the previous past weeks, some informations were posted, which aren't true. Can't tell exactly which one, but most of them seems from a engadget "source". OK, now makes me wonder who or what is the source of Engadget's.. And also the WM7 bulls*it you've might read.

What is not true - No WM7 (maybe later). No multitouch screen (i'm not talking about the drivers now, but the screen itself). Most informations I wrote here month ago were correct.

Got a final version of X2. I know the release date, but it won't be next week (unless they want to know where the infos leak from LOL). Next week will be likely just the introduction to public.

informatico: SE slow? Oh cmon, what is the difference between testing a device one year, then announcing to public and it'll be available for sale in one month, and announcing to public and one year testing? No difference. Just the first one makes you less wait and less horny. That's all

orelsi: SE supports sucks as* in Europe, coz it's located in Hungary and they know s*it about help. The help line is in fact not SE.. If you're from UK, Czech, Hungary, it's always better to ask directly in brandshops. They know much more than those stupids at "support line".
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Ah, it makes sense now lol.
[XPERIA X1 General] mbernstein:
Specs

Well, from what nevermind said, at least we may get final specs next week, right? And if the photo "leaked" is true, design seems to be much better.

One question though, is if d-pad will be able to do "previous" and "next" track on music players, a function which seems to be less and less present in new hardwares... But I guess I'll have to wait for the answer.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Thanks for the information Mr. Nevermind.
[XPERIA X1 General] njao:
the xperia x2 is like a bad movie that gets better and better... and by the end of the movie your blown away... im starting to like the design more and more and the specs too lets just hope the specs wont disappoint me at the announcement...
[XPERIA X1 General] killerskincanoe:
@nevermind ... have most of the kinks been worked out on ur final version? mayb more stable? speedier?