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[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
http://www.windowsfordevices.com/news/NS2632317407.html

May want to look at the date on the article? Is it Microsoft or the Device Developers?

Also I don't live in a world where devices have unlimited power that the have "No such Limitations". The buck must stop somewhere theres only so much memory and storage in any device.

Of topic but does embedded XP count in this at all? Its not mobile but its a phone?

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Windows_XP_editions?t=7.

http://www.htc.com/au/product/shift/overview.html

hang on thats vista.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Quoted from the article:

"Multitasking enhancements -- CE 6.0 supports up to 32,000 processes with 2 GB of virtual memory per process, versus CE 5.0's maximum of 32 processes having a maximum of 32 MB virtual memory each"

Yes, basically saying that the present winmo (CE5.0) supporst maximum of 32 processes and 32 MB virtual memory each.

The devices in the past were indeed much more limited in memory, so CE5.0 were suffficient. Today's devices are getting more and more powerful, so these limitations need to be lifted. Hence WM7 will no longer want such limit.

Of course, at the end of the day, the device's performance must be taken care of. Just because the OS can permit it does not mean it makes sense to do it to the limit.

Bugs were being passed all the time when device tends to freeze up and becomes unstable. Is that MS impossing too low a hardware spec? Is that the vendor who put in a faulty driver? Is that the software vendor using memory in a wrong way? For me, I just want a fast, stable, and smooth device with lots of well designed and functionally rich applications. If it means limiting the number of hardware manufacturer in order to achieve it, so be it.
[Touch HD General] m.r.davies:
both are great devices

iphone for usability

htc/win mob for functionality

there, argument solved
[Touch HD General] el_lo:
Come on, this is everything but easy :rolleyes: Scrolling and zooming is 90% of the activity. Look at the comments :o

Do you really want us to do the same for remote desktop ? I wouldn't even use it anymore...
[Touch HD General] R3PUBL1K:
LOL well said,

The HD was never that popular in the UK - Orange which had it as exclusive for a while have pulled it from the website, it has only been out 7 Months even though you can still purchase elsewhere.

I got my HD on the 11th Nov 08 and I returned the device in the first week of the UK release as it was horrid. I am out of contract and looking for anew device, I have considered an iphone for many reasons, but still debating if I should get this on a poor network in terms of data service or wait for the tp2.

I will see on Friday ;).

PS. What I like about the iphone is that the APPs are easy to find and the video playback works well.
[Touch HD General] sonydesouza:
Are you crazy Dude ???

:)
[Touch HD General] andes83:
Yes go buy 719 euro 3GS .... man this makes me laugh really even if it is 3 times faster than the previous i wont buy it to change my HD...no comment at all only a hardcore Iphone fan would change their old Iphone or HD for this crap at this price when 1ghz processors are knocking on the door....just look at the new Omnia II with 800mhz and you'll know what's the right thing to do and that is.....to wait....
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
sure i could buy an omnia2 with great specs and still face the same wm 6.1 bugs (unfixed in 6.5) and lack of development/new apps.

see my point?
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
I am upgrading from 3G to 3GS and think its well worth it. Even with 1ghz processor on a WM phone the phone wont be as good as the iphone. Yes the Omnia II will have a better camera but thats where it ends. The iphone has EVERYTHING you need, easy to use and when you need something else theres an app for it and you don't need to go looking on the internet from your computer for a cab file then put it in your phone.
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
http://kevinrose.com/blogg/2009/6/16/tweetdeck-for-iphone-coming-soon.html

another example of how developement is in motion on the iphone while WM remains stagnant
[Touch HD General] tunppi:
Did you know iphone 3Gs doesnt have ACDC charger in box? you have to pay extra to get that. its an accessorie!

well atleast it has MMS and copypaste. winmos and palms havent had that... wait they have had it for last 15years almost forgot.
[Touch HD General] slixter:
Funny. Cos 15 years ago PCs had a very similar OS to what you're using now! (I'm talking about Windows 3.1)

And how much do you pay for 32GB storage? I can get a plug for £5
[Touch HD General] tunppi:
And similar functions that iphone has, 3.1 was much more flexible than iphone 3.0 is though, maybe in 3.1 Apple catches up.

I paid 95euros for 1TB network drive, 15euros for 16GB microsd, thats pretty much better GB/euro than iphone :)

you should get NAS too. Hmm is iphone able to use one freely without pineapple hacks? no? dang thats a shame.
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
iPhone 3G S

Apple Earphones with Remote and Mic

USB power adapter

Dock connector to USB cable

Documentation

SIM eject tool

Say what now?

Windows Mobile has looked the same for the past 10 years.

Windows Mobile 2003

Windows Mobile 2003 SE

Windows Mobile 6.1

Windows Mobile 6.5
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
it has video out, the vga support was there so that the video out is at least proper SD

ill have to look for a proper 30fps movie clip.

Please give me a day or two (maybe you can do this on the weekend??)

Thank you all for agreeing to participate

P.S Will you email me this clip, or tell me where to look for 30fps clips:)
[Touch HD General] darthbane2k:
vs

vs

vs
[Touch HD General] slixter:
What about a screen shot of Microsoft's own MSN Messenger against something like Beejive? ;)
[Touch HD General] slixter:
You get what you pay for, as the saying goes
[Touch HD General] PoisonWolf:
Guys,

Seriously, posts like these are honestly just a waste of time. It should have been posted in an iPhone forum or something. If you guys love your iPhone so damn much, great! But please stop it with the disgusting, "My antenna is bigger than your antenna"-posts.

The Touch HD and the iPhone are great phones in their own right. If you like products whose primary goal is aesthetics, followed by functionality, then please, get out of this joint and go to an Apple forum. On the other hand, if you want a product with versatility and functionality (with a disregard for aesthetics), then stick with Touch HD (Winmo).

If you're not happy with your Touch HD, and want to change it to the new iPhone, I'm glad for you, but please stop trying to demonstrate how the iPhone 3GS is leagues ahead of everything else.

Are you people really that insecure to the point that you need some form of external validation that you've made the right choice in buying an electronic product?

It's really that simple.

Cheers.

P.S. I really wish a mod would just lock this thread already. Posts like these more than always ignite a Wars-of-the-Fanboys.
[Touch HD General] slixter:
I think a few people bought HDs thinking it was gonna be a great leap forward from their iphone. Then once they got it realised it was a heap of ****.

Lock it? But then you won't be able to come read it
[Touch HD General] R3PUBL1K:
Windows Mobile smartphones with version 6 did not have C&P unless you installed a third party app :p
[Touch HD General] pmm1960:
LMAO. But which way am I LMAO?
[Touch HD General] pmm1960:
You pretty much nailed it. It cracks me up how these people go on about a purchase selection based on their own personal criteria. Such pride they have? It's utterly ridiculous. To read what some of them say you'd think they designed, manufactured and marketed these devices single-handed.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
There does seem to be an unhealthy amount of emotional involvement, certainly. It's just a phone, ffs.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Your original post said it cannot be done. That's very different from what you're saying now - which is, yes it can be done, but clumpsily.

To use remote desktop and play WOW running on PC? I don't play this game myself, but my teenage son tells me that a split seconds improvement in the speed of moving the mouse could have a great advantage in such high speed games, and he spends hundreds of dollars just for a mouse. He plays it on an extremely high end 64 bit computer with one of the most advanced graphic cards, with maximum memory for the graphic card as well as on board memory. One would never play such a high speed game using Remote Desktop. With or without stylus that will not be an acceptable user experience. Since you think that stylus is such a critical requirement, will you be switching to WM7 when it is released? Or will you have a different story then?

Doing what your video demonstrate is like trying use your Farrari to go to moon, then complain that it is a bad car because it is too slow.

On the subject of games, may be you want to wait a while for the new breeds of Peer-to-peer gaming applications to be released on OS 3.0.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
HD has a great screen. Nobody could deny this.

As to more functionality on WM? That was certainly true two years ago, but is it still true? We just demonstrated that this is just a myth (at least in my case for my requirements it is), and that the reverse is true. We can go applications by applications once again, and showed that iPhone applications have more functions and features generally now, and have long since overtaken winmo.

HD being verstatile or just over-rated? Can WM increase its sound volume in small increment like iPhone does? Can it keep DST time correctly? Can the touch screen react reliably? Can it update all the applications automatically? Can it reliably keep the desired default keyboard? Can it do TV-out? Can it play music and video with absolutely no stutter? Can it take picture when object moves near the camera? Can it take picture in low light condition? Can it do group email? Can it scroll through picture's thumbnail smooth and quickly? Can it automatically add the weather station using its GPS location information? Can Opera Mobile let you use ANY software keyboard without error? Can the camera be used in macro mode for close up shots? Can you edit your photo after taking it? Can you find consistently well designed applications to run on it? .... (this can go on and on)

If you're a mod, you'll close down this thread. If you're the head of government in China, everyone there would be in jail by now. Just joking.

Why should people not be allowed to voice their dissatisfaction with what they clearly view as a neglected, half done OS? Why do people discuss iPhone here, on a winmo site? Because here's where they "grew up"? Because here is where they can listen to viewpoint not from Apple fanboys but from people whom they trust? Because they want HTC and MS employees here to know how unhappy they are, and this site is one of the most likely places HTC and MS will get feedback from ? Anyway, why are people so afraid to hear positive points about iPhone? If you feel so secure about using WM, you should'nt be swayed by what we discuss here. If any points here are not true in your view, just feel free to counter it.

Like many is saying. This is just a phone. We should be able to discuss this without feeling like our religion or parents being attacked.
[Touch HD General] Aaronc1978:
Careful there eaglesteve, I suggest you heed your own advice. Politics and religion etc are meant to be avoided on this forum. Putting "just joking" after doesn't make it ok.
[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
Please do show me your IPhone running more than 32 processes (Applications) at once. As I was under the impression you can only run one non apple process at a time? You have a jailbroken phone so please do show.

@Fallenczar, I created it in Xilisoft HD Video Converter. (http://www.xilisoft.com/ I wouldn't buy it) I used the HD H264 Video profile and adjusted all the parameters down to the standards you/the apple site posted.

Ie: dropped the bit rate from 8000 down to 2560 and dropped the audio bit rate down from 320 to 160. I'm not a pro at codecs but there are licensing issues with playing aac on the HD.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
No. Processes and applications as we usually call it are not the same thing. To illustrate, you can use the Task Manager to show that you have say 22 processes active although only one application is running.
[Touch HD General] globiboulga:
I tend to agree with Steve on this one. Why can't people discuss and compare phones? I have used a first gen iphone for more than a year before going for the HD and while I would not go back now, I certainly don't think that the HD is that snappy or superior in any way. For a top of the line machine, it's actually quite disappointing, hardware and software... I mean, it's underpowered let's face it.

WinMo is a pile of rubbish as far as usability is concerned. That's a fact. That it allows you to do more than the iphone, yes, but the price to pay is pretty high.

Eventually, I see myself going to either the next gen iphone or, more likely, to Android. I have little faith in WinMo getting better at doing the simple things right. Phone and SMS apps are pathetic, sound management is appalling (I can't listen to MP3's on the HD because you cannot adjust the sound level, I mean seriously...), videos are crap and stutter constantly, even when re-encoded (where winmo's advantage was supposedly the ability to play any video file without reencoding)...

Application management is no existant. The world of thousands of free apps on the winmo platform is a legend, at least if you want half decent applications. Pricing is appalling most of the time...

The integration of MS apps is the only thing that is good about the HD, and that's important. Email management is good as well, as is the ability to have more than one exchange account... The screen is fantastic and thanks to xda, there are many roms to chose from to better the phone and get additional performance. GPS is aslo a +...

I mean, I'd like to be showing off the HD, but it's quite simply not that good.

And I'm sorry, I don't buy in the politically correctness of the 'different needs, different phones'... For 80% of the people on these forums, WinMo, Apple or Android are interchangeable OS.

Again, I am not a fanboy, either way, but while I am not convinced by the iphone (and the need for iTunes/the apple ecosystem), I am not impressed by what is supposed to be one of the best WinMo phone around...

PS: no buying remorse here.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Point taken Aaronc1978. Thanks.
[Touch HD General] leobox1:
i think a lot of folks sum it right...

iphone = beauty

winmo = customisation
[Touch HD General] el_lo:
I never said it couldn't be done without a stylus mate ;) I said it involves constant zooming.

Also I didn't speak about gaming via remote desktop (RDP uses its own graphics drivers, and 3D isn't possible AFAIK), I was just saying that having a remote desktop session in full screen 1:1 480*800 (no zoom needed) is fantastic, and only doable with a stylus (until we have 6'' screens on our pocket pc's :D)

So yes, I hope WM7 devices will come with a stylus :p (even if the WM7 interface is fingerfriendly)
[Touch HD General] corwin_de_amber:
Sorry, but you get something wrong. WM don't do all that that things at all.

It is not a job for the operating system. It is up to software applications to do that. And the answer for most of your questions is YES. There are many players (40iPlay, PocketMusic, GSPlayer, Slide2Play, Conduits Pocket Player, MortPlayer, iMusic, TCPMP, CorePlayer, WinVibePro, KuGou Mobile, Nitrogen, IBE Music Player, PocketOGG, Mozzak MP3 Player, SOMPY Media Player ,....) that are able to play music with no stutter. Part of them can change volume as you like. Do you have that choice on iPhone? If you want to view or edit photos you have Resco Photo Viewer, Photogenetics, XnView Pocket, Chili Photo Slide, Spb Imageer, Pocket QuickView, PocketCM ImageViewer and so on.

And if you want to take photos use normal camera. What you have on iPhone is the same junk as on HD.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I cannot confirm or disconfirm whether without zooming in it is possible to activate a link when iPhone is used to do remote desktop. I do know however that in browser we can do it without zooming in, even for very tiny link. I'll leave this for someone else who have used such software to comment.

I do not disagree with you on the fantastic resolution and screen size of HD. I wish iPhone has that too. Very nice to have that, although not critical.(Apple, are you reading this?)
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Whether it is MS, Chip manufacturer, or HTC that is responsible is hardly of interest to consumers. They just look at the end product. But there should be no reason for WM not to be provide fine volume control so that if I decides to use TF3D music player or the phone I can still control the volume. No? Why should'nt HTC's Touch Flo be able to keep correct Day light saving time? Is it unreasonable to expect this to be provided without using more third party software? Why should'nt we be able to use the music player in Touch Flo to play the music properly? Why should'nt the native camera software save more quickly? Why can't it deal with movement better? Why could'nt it deal with poor light just a little bit better?

Of course, some functions are application related. I'm not familar with every one of the software mentioned by you. Are all of these software still in use? I got the impression that some of them are really very old, not finger friendly, or not fully developed, but please feel free to correct me if my impression is wrong. I tried looking up on some of them but were not successful (invalid website links, files no longer in the link, etc when I tried looking for 40iPlay). I personally used Coreplayer (which stutters), Resco Photo Viewer which has only very rudimentary editing capability and I dumped it because it is not finger friendly enough. Perhaps you could share your choice of one which is reasonably modern and functional with us here?

As to whether we have those choices in iPhone, the answer is yes. Lots of different third party software in each of the categories, some in Apple Store, some in Cydia Store. Many are free or very inexpensive. Of course, iPhone as it is allows small increment in volume, keeps time correctly, plays music and video fluidly too, let you set default keyboard properly, and let you use any keyboard in browser without error.

edit: BTW, thank you for listing those software. I would like to explore them myself after this too. Care to share what you have installed on your HD?

Don't have time to check every single software yet, but this guy here says that slide2play has stutter problem too:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=2455100&postcount=1

Or perhaps, just like in the case of TF3D and coreplayer, some swear that their HD NEVER stutters but many many do find it a problem?
[Touch HD General] PoisonWolf:
Your term of functionality basically translates to, "what you need and do with a cellphone". If you don't do much with your phone and just want a phone that works, then duh, the iPhone is for you. End of story.

If you're a mod, you'll close down this thread. If you're the head of government in China, everyone there would be in jail by now. Just joking.

You must certainly think this is funny, don't you? You're coming off as an ignorant douchebag right now. Do you know that?

If the topic starter has made a decision on his phone, then it's simply logical to close this thread. If you're so keen on the whole "voicing your dissatisfaction", simply make a post in the Off-Topic section. Don't clog the TouchHD subforums with the rants/whines about

WinMo as a whole

in a particular model's subforum.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] slixter:
You bought an HD, but don't use email, don't watch video or listen to music, and don't care for the camera?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] dimkasmir:
I'm wondering if all ROMs and radios are compatible with both the X1a and X1i or just one of the two. Thanks in advance!
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] dave-ro-mex:
Yes. All ROMs and Radios are compatible with X1a and X1i.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] dimkasmir:
Thanks! And also, all radios are compatible with all carriers, correct?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] dave-ro-mex:
Yeah thats right.

Although, I would note that in my experience, the Radio that came with my X1i last year (probably the oldest one and original Stock Radio for the device), did not keep signal with the UK Hutchison 3G Network (2100MHz UMTS/HSDPA)... But Radios from 1.10 to 1.14 are fine. ... Thats just an observation I made.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] SEX_1:
So any news on 1700-2100 3G support for T-Mobile US? Are there any radios available that are compatible with this network?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jezusrvd:
:o no update? im still waiting to see if i can speed up my all powerful X1 to my scrawny g1's speed
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] aethelbert:
Radios are from I gather are merely firmware updates for the communication radios (GSM, 3G, GPS, Wifi, BT) in your device. You can't change from a X1i to a X1a with a flash, you'd have to change the hardware.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kapollo:
Hi,

first of all if it was mentioned before then: sorry I've looked but I must be blind. ;)

I have a few questions in my opinion of a Kaiser user a huuuugely important questions:

1) how is the overall graphics performance doing?

2) how is video playback (e.g. std divx movie) is it flicker/image breakes free?

3) is UI performance good, both 2d and 3d

4) does it have by default 2d/3d HW acceleration libraries, or is it all over the Kaiser again...

I think it would be great if someone that has access/owns Touch HD/Omnia/Touch Pro/Touch Pro 2/ Diamond 2/ etc

could do some graphics tests, for instance at the bottom of this page ->

wiki

Thanks in advance

Pawel

PS If I asked for something that already is being done then just shoot me for not finding it, sorry :D
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swinster:
Hi all,

I have enabled Data Connection on my TD2, but now the mobile remains connected all the time. I want to synchronise with exchange so have set this to happen every 15 mins, but the "mobile web" connection still remains connected.

Whilst I have a bolt on with my provider to allow unlimited web access, surely this will run down the battery super quick?

Cheers

Swin
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HandySpanner:
It's normal and it's not wearing your battery down.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JR_de:
Use Advanced Config 3 to set a timeout:

Menu -> More settings -> Connections

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=418151
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] TeeBone:
Is the Advanced Config 3 working with Topaz?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JR_de:
It is for me.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] giulo:
are you sure about this?

data connection have some influence on battery
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] rhedgehog:
When it is actively sending and receiving data, yes.

when sat there doing nothing, no.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] swinster:
Seems to have done the job. If it doen't drain the battery, then its not to much of a problem, but it make me feel better.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] qqjawe:
Default WiFi timeout for topaz is 2mins

You can change using Advanced Config 3.3
[Touch Diamond2, Pure Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] HandySpanner:
Your phone has a constant connection over that radio signal anyway, for phone calls etc.. The icon is effectively saying that the data channel has been established over that same 'link'. Think of it like you've been assigned an IP address (which you have in fact).