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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] qazzi76:
LOL - looks like I ruffled some feathers.

Shame it doesn't make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

Facts are facts and opinions are opinions regardless.

Also for Shingers reference I have used the TP2 for a day and although I'm very impressed with the keyboard, screen and general build quality - absolutely NOTHING else about it is impressive or represents any type of innovation.

Obiviously if the phone meets your needs then YAY for you - but for those of us who need a little more to justify the expense of upgrading from our existing devices that are just as good as the TP2 (x1 and TP1) - we'll continue to wait for new devices and voice our dissatisfaction.

The TP2 is not even a proper step up from the x1 a device that is nearly a year old - what is that saying?

When/If the Snapdragon devices are released by Toshiba, Sony et al with technologies you'd expect as standard in 2009 you'll see just how flawed your TP2 is.

Rosebud asked "Moreso... who do you think you are going onto an HTC Developer site calling people HTC fanboys :S"

Rosebud the majority of the people I have observed over the years on this forum are rational, objective and extremely clever. When I see people irrationally ripping into someone that makes VALID, objective statements I show my support - SIMPLE.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveShaw:
Done (edited some posts too) :)

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Exactly!!! Snapdragon and Tegra powered deviced are going to stomp everything else in the ground.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
fact: neither you or orelsi own an tp2 just used someone else's for a day! not the same.

you may think that the tp2 is not innovative as per spec sheet but the improvements the have made to touch flo and general performance of the device is in itself innovation! also i have the cash so will buy what i want and in no way shape or form am i being duped by htc. i am also gonna get a toshiba tg01 wen it is released over here as i can!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Thanks.

So..... Dave..... um..... what is your opinion on the topic :D.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Wrong. I have plenty of experience with all kinds of mobile devices and pocket PC phones in particular. I can make an objective and educated judgement. It doesn't matter if I own the phone or not.

I can also buy whatever phone I want, but that doesn't mean I will. I don't see your point there.

I will repeat. Facts and logic trump wishful thinking and conjecture any day of the week.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveShaw:
When mine arrives I'll tell you ;). But many of the devs I respect on here say good things about it.

I'll be getting one as soon as (I'm gonna get banned if I post that again :o) no matter what. Missing FM radio was disappoiting, but that's fixed so I'm looking forward to it. It'll be a big step up from my Kaiser that I got 18months ago, so the TP2 is my natural choice given I'm on an 18mo Contract.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
Here's my take on this:

The TP2 is just a re-packaged TP1 with a massively better screen, tilting mechanism, improved keyboard, improved TouchFlo, price kept about the same as a touch HD.

Not a revolution that gives everything anyone could want, but an incredibly worthwhile re-package, and the best phone currently on the market.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
facts? logic? i too have used many phone and still have them now! facts and logic based one day of use and whats written on the web! i am tired of this i can see that whatever i say you will try to refute it so unless you own one aint much really to be said on that! keep fighting and hope you got what you wanted out of starting this thread! he he so funny!

BTW: i love my tp2 and my x1 can only walk in its shadow! my blackstone however = the jury is still out
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Owning it has nothing to do with the topic at hand. This is the last time I am going to repeat this, because it gets boring and unproductive. I am not making an educated guess or speculating on the base of Internet reviews. I had the phone for a day and still play with it from time to time. I know what I am talking about. I am not just pulling things out of thin air. I can judge it on the base of my experience with similar devices. I hope this clears things up and we can get back on topic.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
Seems to me the entire thread has turned into flame baiting. I would recommend the entire thing go away as it has devolved into "This is what I think and it's all facts. If you say otherwise you're dumb or a fanboy (or anti fanboy, as the case may be)."

In any case, I won't be looking in on this one again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] qazzi76:
@Shingers. Unfortunately "Facts and logic trump wishful thinking and conjecture any day of the week."

Couldn't have put it any better myself! - LOL!

The only thing I can't argue with you on is the innovations made to the touchFlo interface software as I agree with you there - but this thread was STRICTLY HARDWARE from the start so ???

I've owned 90% of released HTC devices - even done a little developing for them. I've been lurking here for years, I used to lurk at Modaco in the SPV days.

I also have plenty of experience with wm, ce embedded devices and other devices so I can definitely make an objective assessment of this hardware.

It's actually kinda crazy of you to think that I can't after using it for one whole day - LOL!

DavidMc0 hit the nail on the head. it's simply a repackaged TP1. Nothing to write home about.

Anyway - night - gotta catch some zzzzss
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
Wow!

This is a hot debate!!:eek:

In the beginning I was sure for going for TP2 but as time passed I realize that if I´m really upgrading from my Universal I would need something that really beats my Uni in all aspects (Not to difficult for some)

But finally I decided to wait till beginnings of 2010 as Toshiba has showed some promising devices with keyboard and better processor. Hope HTC does the same and then just then I´ll upgrade. I´m not in a hurry and I can´t buy device every year.

Anyway from what I saw and read Touch Pro 2 looks as one of the best 2009 WM devices!

So I would keep reading...

Peace to all

Threads like this, respectfull but intense are the spicy ingredient to our dear XDA site!

Cheers to all,
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] LordLugard:
Not that i don't trust you (heck i don't even know you), but i don't believe you on the 300 apps things. Even PC's don't have that many programs installed at any given time.

Could you please list ALL the 300 apps you have installed if you don't mind? If you had the time to install all these apps you should have the time to list them all for us to be enlightened.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
Um..... I'll see what I can do. You are seriously wasting my time with this and I do not need to prove anything to you, but still. Will a set of pics be enough?

If you need the list for reference and ideas about apps, you should just ask lol.

:D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] LordLugard:
My main gripes with the TP 1 was that the screen was too small and battery life wasn't up to par, hence i returned it within a moth. Now, the TP 2 is a worthy phone to get. Shame about the no-flash though.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orelsi:
There are reports that the TP2 has worse battery life than the TP.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] LordLugard:
My Win Mobile apps folder on my hard drive is about 2.79gb (don't need your ideas or refs, but thanks anyway) of which i have maybe 10 - 15 apps on my phone. List them to us (the 300 apps) whichever way you feel is convenient but prove it nonetheless.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
What a compelling argument. I'd disagree with a point of yours if you'd made one.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] :
Man, are you rich or something?

Question for you. You are running late and there are two phones on the table. IF you have a choice between Xperia and TP2. Which one would you pick up and take it with you? We are talking about the functionality; hardware, software (smoothness), etc.

I like the new TP2, but if Xperia is about the same, but much less. I would pick Xperia instead.

btw. Plemix.com ( http://bit.ly/c1AJU ) is selling the new TP2 for $709 and if you type YOUTUBE10, you will get a $10 off.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mikkybukky82:
poor you

First am disappointed in pocketnow.com for not doing a beter research before posting their review.

The RAM was missing because it had been dedicated to the graphics,this had been mention before the phone even came out.

Model numbers doest not make it an older version or less productive.i must confess that is a shallow way to think.

seriously we all know the touch pro 2 is brilliant,sophisticated even pocketnow.com confessed to that and most of all highly productive.am yet to find a a reason why why i need a higer processor ,i guess we are just used wanting what we dont need and at the end of it we dont know how stretch the capability.

lack of 3.5mm jack is fine with me.i dont need a extra hole.

lack of flash,i dont care, am past that level of glamouring for a flash on a phone even with a flash you still take a lousy picture.

My wife has the x1,the touch pro 2 overall hardware is better that the x1.for the fact you cant enjoy this baby right now or maybe you are short of cash now does not mean you should badmouth it.

This phone is simply for serious minded people and if u want something else i guess u should be looking else where may touch hd.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] quarintus:
Can't say anyting but that I totally agree with you:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gvdwijk:
WOW... what a great thread! LOL You, TS, make my day. Now I want TP2 definitely!

It does me remember of thread like "Why Iphone sucks" ; "Why Nokia N97" ; "Why Obama sucks" etc etc.

Not too take seriously. Good for a laugh; more threads like this please! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Prille:
Nobody's putting a gun to your head in order to buy it huh, I've bought one and must say, besides from the size, best piece of hardware so far... My TP I find the screen to small and my HD I miss the keyboard...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I think I read somewhere that the processor is older, but it is better, and for legal issues or something they couldn't use the one in the touch pro 2 in the original but I read that a while ago so if im wrong don't get mad or anything lol

Also, I think I read once that it has space reserved for video performance or something like that, plus you have to keep in mind that the new touch flo probably takes up more ram than the older one

As for the adapter 3.5 mm jack, I don't need it because I just use one that extends the wire so to me its kinda like it just being a longer wire, which is convinant cause my headphones don't ahve a very long cord.

As for battery life, I don't know maybe its cause the screen is bigger, but remember what HTC says on their website:

One size does not fit all. That’s why HTC offers a diversity of choices to satisfy every customer’s need. So if you are a road warrior, who needs to get their email and calendar updates while hopping from airport to airport or if you are a passionate fan of YouTube™, you will find an HTC phone that fits your requirements and your lifestyle.

that statement makes it pretty clear that they probably target diffrent audiences with different phones, and that one person might one phone that someone else hates. I understand why you might not like the touch pro 2, you have valid reasons, the processor clock kinds pisses me off too, infact it kinda makes me feel like waiting, but I still think the touch pro 2 is a pretty good phone. I guess I will just decide whether to get it or not after I actually get a chance to test it out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] combat goofwing:
i can confirm battery life is very good,from 6.000pm on tuesday until 10.00 am today and was messing with it on and off for about 14 hrs yesterday
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Warren17:
Well I've just got my TP2 and I love it.

I cant compare with the X1 as I didn't have one. Being quiet poor (tech spending wise) I choose to spend it more cautiously, as in if i can get it for free I will.

As my Touch was up for upgrade at the end of the month, I did a bit of research and found my TP2 for free on an identical contract, so I took the plunge. From my Touch, its a huge upgrade.

As for the points raised by the OP. Most are subjective, as many posters point out.

1. 3.5mm Headphone - I personally use Bluetooth Stereo Headset (Jabra BT8010) So don't need one, but I can see its advantages.

2. No Flash - Never had it, never gonna miss it / not use it.

3. No D-Pad - I now realise how much i did use it, but I will take that hit for a peice of shiney shiney tech :)

4. No FM Radio - again never had it so won't miss it. Until HTC announce why its disabled, then we will never know. Perhaps it was an oversight and was ment to be active. As I dont work at HTC I don't know.

5. Proccessor - Not knowing Qualcoms Naming convention or spec table I cant say if this is better or worse than the TP1 (and I never owned one) All I can say is "It works...."

6. Same storage space as the TP1 - Wouldn't know, but I am fine with what I have

7. More ram but less available - I agree with LordLugard, I think its down to TouchFlo3D. when the Chefs cook up some vanilla Verisons, we will see the true specs.

8. Battery - again can't say but I think that waiting for the intial "must use every app now! must show all my mates my new toy" wares off before making a commitment to battery use.

1 thing has just struck me about a few of the problems here, ie Radio, RAM, Storage etc....

Perhaps the phone is spec'd as a WM6.5 and has all these issues sorted in the 6.5 ROM release.

Anyway's its all conjecture.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] qazzi76:
It's people like you that also believed 640KB is good enough for everyone.

Your last post demonstrates clearly that you have no grasp of anything that doesn't exist outside your little bubble - LOL!

Thank God developers and hardware manufacturers aren't all like you - LOL - can you imagine a world with no technological innovation at all!!

"We don't need this and that because I don't need it" - LOL!

Now let me state the obvious

we just possibly, might need a faster processor for:

- Fluid video playback and capture (720p preferably)

- Additional multimedia functionality

- VOIP and Video over IP

- 3D GUI or Rich 2D GUI

- Rich Business apps

- A responsive OS

Just ever so possibly - I mean it's 2009 after all - what do think?

LOL

Also I could buy several TP2s for the sake of it right now if I want (TODAY) - I work just like everybody else here LOL - I simply can't justify buying it for the reasons stated in my earlier posts.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] T3ku:
ay ay ay!! thats all i can say after i succesfully muddled through this thread.

somehow i have a feeling we are going in circles here...cud that be?

well anyways...none of this stuff changed my mind about buying a TP2, and nooo i wont even consider the x1 for a second. im sure that is the device for me... and all these "negative" things it has or doesnt, didnt affect me in any sort of way.

sooo good to know how bad the tp2 is n how "good" the x1.

keep on argueing it sure was fun ^^

Cheers T3ku
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thedudelasse:
Here's a full review on the device, explaining why the Touch Pro2 does not suck, in fact quite the contrary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgTjSbpFDhQ

A great review with some pretty funny stuff aswell!

Part I: Build Quality, Qwerty Keyboard, Hardware, Speakerphone test

Part II: User interface, Camera, Gaming, GPS Navigation, Video Benchmark and Conclusion

-TheDudeLasse
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] qazzi76:
Without going over the obvious stated already I'll repeat.

Facts will remain facts and opinions will remain opinions.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
wow went to bed and boom thread exploded! i hope i did my tp2 proud in the early stages of this hot debate! can see many folks have taken up the tp2 defence and that is very good! i styand by my initial statement that trying your friends phone is not the same as owning it! wen you own something i get to use it day in day out you have the time to tweak and customise it to suit your needs! i was very sceptical about battery life but now i own it and not just used it for a day, or read specs online, or sceptical reviews based on conjecture, the battery is holding up quite well! the tp1 had too little a screen dominated by dpad. shame really as it would have been a better phone without d-pad! i just feel that there is no point taken views from someone(orelsi) when he acvtually doesnt own the device............. now this thread would have more credability if someone who owns it came on and said that! i havwe got the x1, blackstone, kaiser and before that all the others like diamond, hermes, adfvantage etc. they can't walk in the tp2 shadow! phone rocks and thats just it. nothing posted on here in my opinion will stop anyone from buying it. it is by far the most refined htc device to date. if that is not innovation then what is? putting a 6litre v12 engine in a mercedes maclaren doesn't make it run better or perform better than a porsche 911 does it? well it dont as i know so thats my thought of the day
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shingers5:
morning its amazing how this has blown up overnight huh! really good debate and i still love my tp2!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Chainfire:
First let me make one thing clear to those who say TP2 is just repackaging of TP1. If you say that, you also have to say that TP2 is just repackaging of the TyTN II (earlier devices even if you don't count QWERTY).

Then you would say "but TP has VGA!", but then again, TP2 has WVGA, lots of small differences like this exist between TyTN II and TP, as well as TP and TP2. I would definitely take the TP2 over the TyTN II :)

I do not have a TP2 yet (it will hopefully be delivered tomorrow), but I have played with them on conventions long before it was released and was impressed. I have talked to HTC people there at length about it. I do have most other TP2 devices and it did feel like a major improvement to me.

However, I must of course note that I have not used the D-PAD since I got my TyTN II quite some time ago and never missed it. I use either BT headsets or the ExtUSB-->3.5mm jack plug for music. Honestly, I do not feel the 3.5mm jack on the HD adds value, but it does make it uglier.

For me the biggest improvement is actually the tilt screen. I have missed this very much on my TP as I had gotten used to it on my TyTN II.

Anyways, when playing with the TP2 I did notice it was much snappier than the TP. I suspect the RAM/ROM/Flash chips got upgraded to newer/faster versions.

As to the processors, what we got is:

7200 (TyTN II, Touch Cruise, etc)

7200A (Daimond 2, TP 2, X1)

7201 (this one does not actually exist, I think)

7201A (Diamond, TP, HD)

Now, AFAIK the only difference between the 0 and 1 variants is the Broadcom patent that has been worked around. Apparently this did degrade performance in certain specific areas, which is why the 0 variant has preference over the 1 variant, and the Broadcom vs Qualcomm fight has since ceased, so the 0 variant can be used again.

The A variants vs the non-A variants is the die-size. The A variants are 65nm and go to 528mhz, the non-A variants are 90nm and go to 400mhz.

7201A was produced before 7200A. So in fact, the TP2 has both the better and newer processor compared to TP ;)

As for memory use, this probably also has to do with performance tweaks. Diamond/TP/HD with stock ROMs have several performance tweaks disabled (like caching which makes a LOT of difference). These tweaks take (guess what) about 20mb of memory. Perhaps they have turned them on for the Diamond 2 / TP 2 ?

Anyways, repackaging it may be, it certainly has some things over the TP (and TyTN II if you go that far back), like tilt, WVGA, faster, newer software, etc.

Whether or not you like it or if it's worth it for you, thats for you to decide. Bashing other people because they do like it is BS. Facts and logic? Not all things presented are actual facts, some downright wrong. And again, repackaging is all HTC has done the past 2 or so years with all their devices, so if you expected something else from the TP2 you should have payed better attention. All this crap has been known for quite a while now.

(I've also played with TG01... can't wait til that puppy is out!)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DaveShaw:
Quite right. On that note I'll close this Flamebait thread.

Dave
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] magius00:
Wow one day away from the forums and this badboy turns up.

I probably shouldn't put my oar in as this is already long enough thread but i have my TP2 and it's great. People in the office love it iphone users included etc.

I can assure people this device has awsome battery life even with heavy use.

I can see why you might give reasons for not buying one and fine it doesn't appeal to you and how you work as a business or personal user, but it certinly doesn't suck and in a place principaly for people who like the phone/owners it strikes me as odd to do little more than flame.

As a last point i will add if people want to ask specific questions if they are thinking of getting one feel free to PM me or i'm sure any other owners as posts in long threads like this get lost quickly
[General Topics] Faisal Tasleem:
Hello,

i have a Qtek S200.. It doesn't have a lot of Program and Storage Memory.

Well I have a card which have 300+ MB memory. I want help, how can I set that when I browse net, the files will be downloaded on card and once done, I will remove then so that my mobile will not be slow and Program and Storage files will also be clean.

Please help, thanks a lot.

FAISAL!
[General Topics] domi007:
There is a registry key, which says to InternetExplorer which folder to use for temporary files.

With the Advanced Configuration software you can set this value easily.

Hope this helps,

DOMy
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Spike™:
sorry, posted in wrong area.... :o:o:o
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] Dizzle:
Is it just me or do all the links point to the Varient 1.cab?
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] fico2:
Do we have to install SDKcerts first? And yes it seems that all links point to the Varient 1.cab.
[G1 Android Development] zgmf-x322a:
at least u can tell me what should i search for in the market....?
[G1 Android Development] Audi4style:
Yeep I was running into the same problem. It wasn't working for me in upper case either. It started working once I did it as

su <enter>

chmod 777 /data/app <enter>

exit <enter>

exit <enter>

I think it should be noted on the first pase that chmod 777 should be in lowercase.
[G1 Android Development] ArmandHammer:
AppsToSd search that in the market(old version)

I didnt buy the new one, its in the new and improved apps to sd thread

Alright back on topic
[G1 Android Development] Audi4style:
Okay so 1.4 is out now. He says Apps2Sd is included. I've never used Apps2sd and really don't know how to. So do I have to do anything with the 1.4 build to move it onto my sd card or will it automatically do it for me?
[G1 Android Development] justanothercrowd:
Run the APPS2D app with your EXT2/FAT32 partitioned SD card in and reboot that is all.

To make sure it is mounted go to the Terminal and type df, you should see

system/sd with your partitions size attributes etc

EXT3 support is next on the list.