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[G1 General] RPG0:
If i were to rate UIs of phones (based ONLY on smoothness) i would give the iphone an 9/10 and the G1 a 8/10.

The thing is... actually the difference mostly comes from the touchscreen sensitivity. There are two bad things about the G1 here:

SPOILER ALERT: After reading you might notice new bad things about your G1...

1. Try touching the screen with a small part of your finger (the very tip) and you'll see it won't register. This happens more in real life than you would think...

2. Try opening the notification bar SLOWLY and you'll see it shakes as you move your finger. If you stop mid-way it will shake most of the time... Actually any list will shake if you drag it and then stop... kinda cheap.

3. The sides of the screen in portrait have a "snap" zone. Try moving an icon to one side, and it will stop folowing your finger at a moment, then it will snap to the border. (On my phone this only happens on the right side. On the left side it's worse. I CAN'T register touch on the edge there. It's a nightmare to move an icon to a screen to the left.).

I knew HTC was bad news when i dug deeper into my Kaiser.

So.. G1 actually 7/10... Android on a good phone 8-8.5/10.
[G1 General] larrygates:
Yes this is exactly what I'm talking about. I'm not very in the know, but I do know how to follow directions and root phones. But YES the missing HW acceleration is felt when I go from iPhone to G1. It's unsettling. But . . .

You gave pretty much all the reasons I waited for the G1 and went with it. I knew it acted more like a computer and actually integrated different api's into 1 whole (if you will). Or let the app devs get to the api's. But I like having my feeds come to me without thinking, I like twitter updates, I love gmail being like my old blackberry exchange solution. I WISH live maps or mesh or whatever it's called for Windows Mobile 6.1 would come to android. Someone asked about widgets etc. I disabled all widgets, actually I wiped to a clean Ion Rom that isn't running anything in the background but essentials. It's the HW accel I'm thinking, and the sensitivity of the touch screen. It's great on the iPHone. These were the replies I was looking for. Just something to chomp on before I make any moves. Cause I'm seriously thinking about making that move. I'll lose a lot though. But I'll gain a lot back.

Oh yeah, how come maps on the G1 doesn't auto orient like the iPhone does now. We have a compass, and the new maps is better, at least it shows the direction, but I have to rotate the phone though.
[G1 General] dwang:
The iphone 3gs does look pretty great, but I'm not switching from tmobile to att just for the iphone. There's going to be some nice android phones coming down the line, hopefully with upgraded cpu and memory to match the pre and 3gs. That should narrow the performance differences significantly. And hopefully android 2.0 (donut) finally implements 2d hardware acceleration.
[G1 General] larrygates:
See I'm worried about that. Why wouldn't android have he hw accel. I'm using an iPhone now to post this. Hw key is good, but this iPhone is very nice. I'll try to hold out and see. But I'll take it up the a!! Yeah I'm getting one. A 3G S.
[G1 General] jashsu:
Well you laid out the talking points pretty well in your first post (and frankly aside from multitasking, iPhone OS 3.0 has fixed a lot deficiencies), so if you're set on an iPhone,

just go for it

.

Frankly, if having used a G1 for a while you are still considering an iPhone, then the iPhone is probably a better product for you. Reasons such as avoiding being locked into Apple's closed ecosystem probably weren't ever a factor for you at all.
[G1 General] larrygates:
Hey thanks for the civil post. The last thing you said is a hard one along with at&t. Apple is pretty slick with marketing, and they're hardware upgrades really screw you. Plus I think one of the guys here said something about dual core chips in phones next year.

About the Eco system hopefully jailbreaking side steps a lot of the walls on the phone. We'll see. I need to wait some things out and see how the dev team comes along. Someone said I should look into the pre, but I wonder if its similar to the G1.
[G1 General] tribalb:
Bah. This is only personal preference nonsense. Go get the iphone if ur tired of the g1.
[G1 General] jashsu:
Just because i'm using and love the G1 doesn't mean the iPhone is a bad phone. I really don't have time to spend writing up a long convincing article why you should stay with the G1, let alone flame-coat it.

All hardware obsoletes, iPhone or otherwise. It's just a fact of tech life. If you constantly wait for the better hardware upgrade then you will never have any hardware at all.

Obviously the phone is better in some respects than others. But for example it will only sync with iTunes. I will never install iTunes or Quicktime ever again because they are poorly written pieces of spyware crap. Also, the cloud sync clearly prefers Mobile Me as the primary service. Remember when Mobile Me launched? It was a pile of cowpie. Even Apple admitted this.

The iPhone has a sleek interface and a powerful advertising machine behind it. That's why it and the iPod are such popular devices among consumers. However, being that I am an engineer by trade, I'm not so easily swayed by Apple's glitzy advertising. In that respect, iPhone's deficiencies, past and present come into stark contrast. For example, the inability to multitask userapps is just ridiculous. I actually want to receive my emails and instant messages in realtime, without having to open the Google App. Some people say "just use SMS", which opens up a whole new bag of rant about how SMS is the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever... ;)
[G1 General] dwang:
One thing I want to mention regarding sluggishness is if u are running one of those third party home apps like dxtop or ahome, I would try uninstalling those and see if your sluggishness goes away. Also, badly written widgets can cause slowdowns as well. The g1 isn't as fast as the 3g but it really isn't that slow. Especially if u are running ion at 528mhz or cyanogens rom.
[G1 General] Proxin:
Out of curiosity, how is SMS the most ridiculous ripoff scheme ever?

Also, a friend of mine has a 3.0 beta developer firmware of the iPhone which allows multitasking. I myself found a cheap 4gb iPhone on Craigslist and am planning to unlock it for (most likely) a backup phone or business phone, when I've seen both phones and compared for about a week I'll post my findings here.

I was noticing the same sluggishness and such with the G1. You have to remember that, if you're like most users on the forum here, you -are- using an unsupported version of the phone, and it's not working how it's supposed to and how the provider intended for it to be used. Someone else mentioned this, but third-party apps also contribute to that. Depending on what you use, some apps could constantly be taking up extra memory and make your use of the G1 more of a chore, because of the time it takes to open up even a browser.

Anyway, to OP: You could just do what I did. Instead of spending $300 on a new iPhone that you have to dump out another extra $x-amount for new service at AT&Suck, why not just buy a used one on Craigslist or eBay and unlock it? Then you can use it with your current T-Mobile service and not have a lot of extra loss. You don't even need to get rid of your G1, just use one or the other as a backup or something.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Jamesd00d:
does anyone know how to unblock the spv3100?

or would i have to go to a shop to get it done?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Scotty93:
use the program that is on the forums it cid unlocks it and sim unlocks it.

found on this thread: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=293665

Good luck :D
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Jamesd00d:
cheers

does it unblock aswell?

cause currently the phone does not work through to network blocking
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Scotty93:
i take it u mean its been blocked on that network as far as i no if u change to a different network then it will work but i have no idea about network blocks
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] MystaMagoo:
I think if it's blocked then it's blocked on all networks.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Jamesd00d:
is their anyway of unblocking it so the phone is usable agan?
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] LeoXTR:
I have a cid unlocked artemis,with wm6.0 on it.

I've tried to install more than 10 different rom's(WM 6.1 and 6.5)and i always get either of the 2 following errors:

ERROR 260,and corrupted rom.

Any thoughts?

BTW,i use winvista,and when i flash my asusP535 everything works fine.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] farukb:
download the latest uspl,extract it to a folder,copy the .nbh file from the rom folder to the extracted uspl folder....run the uspl and watch the show

additionally you should go to the wiki or search the forums about vista flashing
[G1 General] Mysticales:
Man I love having everything that could be fun and useful on my G1, so far I am at 149 apps. How many does everyone else have? Also this doesnt hurt the SD card holding all this does it? =/

Anyways last night, some new apps came up like a G1 FTP Server for file transferring. So thats nifty. ConnectBot is good too.

Anyways just wondering, having so many apps, does it slow up the G1 any or can the G1 be like a PPC and handle all this? Open source android is nice but downside is, so many apps that have potential or worth putting on the G1 add up heh.
[G1 General] GenericNode:
There is a difference between how many applications you have installed versus how many applications you have running.

I tell people who ask that I have maybe 13k mp3's on my computer and the common response is "omg your computer must be so slow!"

wtf?

Users seem to correlate lots of stuff on device = slow device.

Correlation does not imply causation :-)
[G1 General] Mysticales:
Ah while I understand your post, the G1 is a tad different. Afterall the Apps ARE installed to the SD. As you know the G1 itself if "running" too many apps would cause it to lag up. However having alot of apps too I dont know if it slows down the G1 by trying to have it all show up or so. Imagine this. You have EVERYTHING on your Windows Desktop, that has been known to cause slowdowns too, Its not running but the system still maps to it and tracks it so to say.

Plus some apps install and auto run in the background. Since its loading off the SD, depending on the class of your SD it could cause sluggishness I would say.
[G1 General] CBowley:
Not sure what the count is exactly, but I have backups on my sd card, my netbook, and my laptop. Sometimes I download apps, back them up, uninstall and just store them on my comp just incase I might need them someday. Haha
[G1 General] ggolemg:
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[G1 General] CBowley:
...interesting
[G1 General] jashsu:
I have ten apps installed.

By the way, while apps that are not running will not cause slowdown perse, some apps start background services or periodic recurring timers (e.g. Loopt, Twidroid) which can cause slowdown.
[G1 General] charnsingh_online:
I have 368 Applications. :) only problem- HOME SCREEN RELOADS AFTER COMING OUT OF APP
[G1 General] Mysticales:
368? WOW You must install everything that sucks too. =p

What do you have thats interesting maybe? =D
[G1 General] charnsingh_online:
i have a lot of things. All gameloft games(Bought it from xda user gameloft) all ea games(from handloft.com), Snesoid, Gnesoid, Jrioni terminal(for gp2x), Sim Checker Cupcake, Nesoid,Youtube downloader, Steamy window, Spray can, Meridian, Mechanics TOuch, Military Madness, VNC Viewer, Phone MY PC, IM+, Better Keyboard, Blues etc. These are some of the apps i can remember. I dont install apps that suck . They are 368 +. A week ago with aTrackdog they were 368. I use Swapper, SetCPU to run my phone smoothly. They really help. I have windows X, Debian etc. running too. 1200+ songs, 3+ movies
[G1 General] Mysticales:
Swapper, what about the warnings about how bad that actually is?

Also Windows X and Debian, tell me how are those and is there a guide somewhere to get info on it and easy to setup?

Military Madness...? WHERE?! I love games like Battle Isle!

SetCPU tell me about it some, Ive been wondering about it but is OCing really worth it on the G1?

Kk I found a xwindows/debian guide.

http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=1615
[G1 General] charnsingh_online:
Everything i use is worth using coz i have to use them regularly. About swapper, most SD cards todayhave the power to cover the damage done(most class 6). So its worth. You should have root to enjoy your g1. SETCPU- my g1 is clocked at 528 MHz permanently so i dont experience lag.
[G1 General] Mysticales:
Btw as you can tell another point of this thread is to get info on apps. =)

But online, got a link for a good class 6? Ive had issues trying to determine WHICH is a class 6 or what.. Upgraded to a 4GB Sandisk which runs better but I still am not sure its class.

Also Doesnt the setCPU drain your battery more? Any risks on that?
[G1 General] charnsingh_online:
dont worry anout battery it is not much affected
[G1 General] jay22are:
i have about 135 apps :)
[G1 General] Chahk:
I am very picky about the apps I install on my devices. According to aTrackDog, there are 46 on my G1, but I probably use half of them. Time to do some cleaning :)
[G1 General] jairomeo:
This makes me feel a little better since I only have 314 lol. My ext3 partition is 2GB with Debian installed. No need to really delete anything
[G1 General] Mysticales:
How many others here use SetCPU, whats stable, a solid increase and wont hurt the G1 or battery? Also yea, its nice to compare notes heh. Keep installing new apps all the time.

I WISH however that the market was easier to navagate tho.. Like add a "Apps added since you last checked" type of thing or DATE them. "Apps added on "x" date" cause its a pain to track them since looking last with so much junkware being added and your limited to scrolling. =/

atrackdog is least a VERY helpful tool.. if your G1 doesnt know its installed in the market. Least this app does..
[G1 General] Chahk:
Some people still navigate the Market on their phone? I always use Cyrket (Newest Content category seems close to what you're looking for) and then when I find something of interest search for it directly on the phone.
[G1 General] Mysticales:
Oh that website is nice, I have seen it, but doesnt help TOO much for installing it to your G1 ;) Not like you can click on the website and have it install to the G1 like Xbox live lol.
[G1 General] overground:
Just use Barcode Scanner to scan the QR code at the top of each Cyrket app page. Click open in browser on Barcode Scanner and it takes you straight to that app in the market.
[G1 General] alritewhadeva:
I have like 43 apps installed :p Really a minimalist. Seriously do you ever use more than 20+ apps on a daily basis?
[G1 General] Mysticales:
A girl can never be too prepared. ;) You never know when Im bored... or when I need certain SSH tools for global domination... where males can be slaves to the technology they created... erm.. you didnt hear that!

Anyways I just like having everything set. Only thing I use DAILY is Quest Live. But thats cause im near a PC. If I wasnt. Least Im setup 100% to stand alone on the phone. Plus ever been in a long waiting line.. boy this kills time. =p

I could ask the same about console games.. you have alot of games/emulators.. how many of those does one look at? ;)
[G1 General] jubeh:
i have 7 apps, heh, google gives me all i need, and those 7 apps give me all i want
[G1 Apps and Games] Mysticales:
Hey either yesterday or day before it came on the market I saw, a G1 FTP server to allow you to transfer files to your G1 via ftp. I know personally its nifty but so far I havent been able to get it to connect. =/ Anyways I thought Id bring it up here since not sure if its been talked about yet but Im sure the interest is here. =)

Any Dyndns for the G1 yet? =D
[G1 Apps and Games] alritewhadeva:
It's been up for a long time. Personally I have no idea how to set it up :) Search DynDns in Market. I think there's an application.
[G1 Apps and Games] Mysticales:
Anyone use either yet and have it working? Can it have the ability to read the ext2 files as well via ftp? That would be awesome.
[G1 Apps and Games] makethetick:
I downloaded it a while ago, only used it once to test but it worked well.

I just use the usb cable for file transfers though because my G1 doesn't pick up wifi as well as the laptop from the distance to my router.
[G1 Apps and Games] Mysticales:
Yea but wouldnt the FTP server work via EDGE network?
[G1 Apps and Games] benoitb85:
Don't know the situation in your country/operator but from what I've seen in Europe, you're always connected in your operator's

private

network.

So you get an IP like 10.x.x.x or anything else that is not reachable from the internet. So no server software can run on your device with such an IP.
[G1 Apps and Games] Mysticales:
hrm then wonder how 3G does it..
[G1 Apps and Games] Mysticales:
The Dev did do 3g but couldnt test it according to the last update he did. I know when I start up it says Starting 3G Network.