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[G1 General] r4nd0mn4me:
nice work

Nice work everyone. For some reason I stopped getting updates from this thread :(

Anyhoo I was board at work and thought I would check back here and test out my Dreams browser. I must say I was pleasently supprised and have sent in anouther donation for the cause. Now I just need a browser with spell check and I'm rockin!

Time to go spread the word.

Peace.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Glad you checked! If you wanted spell check you can install the virtual keyboard (there's a thread on here somewhere, search for it. Essentially you need to download the htc_ime.apk, a file explorer from the market, then install the apk.) Once you install the .apk when you start typing on screen in a browser, press on the screen and the next time you type your typing will be accompanied by a typing sound and.... wait for it.... spell check!
[G1 General] freshwaterbones:
good luck

added my $25...
[G1 General] Gormanimal:
Does anyone know if this will help in rooting the Rogers Magic?
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Logic would dictate that since both these devices are rogers branded and were released at the same time that rooting the dream would help in rooting the magic. It may not offer the exact same procedure, but it very well might.

Haykuro, you want to chime in here? Or would any comments be purely speculation until you get the dream in hand?
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
how do you check what ROM version the phones are running?

I know the magic's ROM is a little different than the Dreams, considering the Magic has an on screen keyboard fresh out of the box, but like i<3andr0id, I can't see there be too many differences in how the phones would be rooted.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
To check your version, go to the Home Screen, click your menu button, choose "Settings", and then click "About phone". At the bottom of the page is a section headed as "Build Number"

Mine says 1.85.631.5 146733 CL#33863 release-keys

This is completely different from what I've seen on American and UK units. Have no idea what it means either. Can any verify that this is the same on all Canadian units? (is yours the same AC?)
[G1 General] rgbc:
Rogers HTC Magic

Firmware version 1.5

Baseband version 62.52S.20.18U_3.22.20.17

Kernel version 2.6.27-dd63d1eb u70000@Android-X01

Build number 2.16.631.6 146733 CL#33776 release-keys
[G1 General] purelife_13:
Its the Kernel and build number that's different likely tailored to the Magic.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Everything is exactly the same on my device, with the exception of Kernel Version and Build #

I wonder what that means.

(yay, numbers are fun.)
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
I see that now. cool! Now what does that mean for our friends question concerning the rooting of his magic? *shrug* we need an android guru in here.
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
yeah, that's exactly what mine says.
[G1 General] haykuro:
heh.. it wouldn't go by build, it depends on the radio / SPL.

so someone with a Rogers Magic, please boot into SPL (Volume Down + Power, or Back + Power) and type everything you see up top, in here.

Then someone with a Rogers Dream do the same.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
double post
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
I have got a dream, from Rogers got it Friday. (June 12th) Holding Power and Back or Power and Volume down does nothing. Just boots up like normal. I am assuming it is to be done during a cold boot correct? Home + Power will get me to a recovery consol though.
[G1 General] Drizzy Drake Rogers:
camera power
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
Here is what mine says, still trying to get to the other screen. (Sorry didn't feel like typing it all out. So grabbed 2 macro screen shots and tossed em on my server.
[G1 General] riddimmaster:
i tried booting into the SPL (back + power and volume down + power) and all i get is the image in the background (the ! with the phone under it) with none of the text. do i need to be connected via usb to access the SPL

my "about phone" screen reads 100% the same as yours, how did you get into the SPL

and my fastboot is the same as the one in post #112
[G1 General] Bedeadu:
How to Boot to SPL

FYI - hold down "camera" button and "END" from off state, should get you to the proper screen

Edit: Just realized Drizzy Drake already mentioned this, although didn't notice until looking a second time.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
Thank You, Bedeadu worked awesome, will post up screenies in a min.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
HTC Dream Rogers AT&T
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
This stuff is getting me excited!
[G1 General] Gormanimal:
Here are the settings listed on my Magic in FastBoot Mode:

SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H

HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP50000)

CPLD-12

RADIO-3.22.20.17

MAY 8 2009, 21:02:32
[G1 General] ExTREmE99:
I have a HTC magic from Rogers coming my way. Expected to get here next week. Hopefully i can help, because i want this device unbranded with no Rogers stuff on the phone. :)
[G1 General] evilpig:
It does nothing on my dream. I can only get to hboot mode.
[G1 General] haykuro:
yup.. so rooting dream will definitely = rooting magic :)

EDIT: current rogers fund: $356.82 USD .. $405.28 CAD (http://www73.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=356.82+USD+=+?CAD)

EDIT2: 57% of the way there. (considering it's $405.28 CAD / $700 CAD)
[G1 General] Drizzy Drake Rogers:
can't we use the method from your signature to root our magics and dreams???

aren't they the same htc builds?
[G1 General] haykuro:
heh, take a look at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=523873 for my explanation.
[G1 General] aggtrfrad:
do you have any ideas on how to find the correct mem offsets, that you wanna share? :p
[G1 General] haykuro:
Thanks to the very generous offer of a "Daniel" (who happened to donate $275 USD)

we now have a hefty $620.79 USD .. $704.09 CAD :)
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
Wow Daniel, you are the man!

Haykuro, PM me and we will get this ball rolling.
[G1 General] r4nd0mn4me:
Awesome sauce

Way to go Daniel!!!
[G1 General] hotweiss:
Thanks Daniel!
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
Holy now I feel cheap lol ... thanks "Daniel"!! and everyone who's contributed ... but definitely for the one who put us over the top!!

:D:D
[G1 General] veshio:
:| .... i love you daniel <3
[G1 General] Pokeon:
Daniel your my hero
[G1 General] evilpig:
Sweet. Thanks daniel.

By the way the dream is only 600 cad

http://www.rogers.com/web/content/w...ess_Q2Campaign_0609_Eng-_-Q2Launch_LowerBadge
[G1 General] tribalmunky:
Have to pay sales tax (Canada has those right?) on it and ship it...
[G1 General] r4nd0mn4me:
The Future

Anyone know if or when the Samsung GT-i7500 "Galaxy" will come to Canada?
[G1 General] mannyb:
I have not heard anything about Canada, but it's launching june/july in some of the bigger markets in Europe (UK, France, Germany) and then in September in a bunch of "lesser" markets such as Australia, Norway and Sweden. I'd therefore wager Canada will get it in September too, unless Canada for some reason is notoriously slow in getting new devices.
[G1 General] r4nd0mn4me:
Thanks

Thanks Mannyb.
[G1 General] goorpy:
I've been following this thread with great excitement and anticipation.

Wanted to register to post a big THANKS! to Daniel and everyone else for their donations.

And good luck to Haykuro, we're all counting on you! :D
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
I guess Canada will only get it if Samsung has the willingess to make it 3g compatible with Canada. Hopefully AT&T will make a push for the phone, then Canada can get excitied about possibly getting it.

Haykuro has contacted me, so now I'm just waiting for his address. I will be picking up the phone today after I'm done work and from there it should be a quick jump to the U.S. to ship it out.
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
HOLY SHIZA! Thanks Daniel!

We're on our route to root!

(Sorry, had to. Couldnt resist)
[G1 General] hellfenix:
Thanks to Daniel and all previous donators, we canadians will finally be able to have the pleasure of swapping roms to our hearts content and ALSO, we get to have access to the paid market. (We currently only have the free market :( )
[G1 General] i<3andr0id:
Hold your horses! Not quite yet... Haykuro has some work to do. =)

I am super excited, cant wait to see what's going to happen in the next few weeks.
[G1 General] haykuro:
AverageCanadian has contacted me, and he is hopefully going to be shipping the phone today (i just woke up to that e-mail :P)

Soo.. let's see what happens.
[G1 General] tep065:
YAY CANADIA!! =) Rock On haykuro!!

:D
[G1 General] hideinthesky:
I'm just wondering what province you ordered it from, if you got it from Alberta you would only have to pay 5% GST and no PST(which is 5% and up, from anywhere else)
[G1 General] Pokeon:
Not only that our market is different. I had the dream from tmoblie then upgrade to the rogers one for the hsdpa. ButI noticed the market between two devices are different even for the free apps.
[G1 General] Drizzy Drake Rogers:
hopefully this transaction goes thru!
[G1 General] AverageCanadian:
sadly I will be getting it from Ontario, so get smacked with the whole 13% tax.
[G1 General] nostriluu:
Just happy

Just wanted to say how happy I am to see this thread and this kind of thing in action. And also my great respect for Haykuro with the hope this turns out to be ridiculously easy. :) And yes I did kick in some $$ before Daniel's awesome contribution.

Collectively organizing like this is a huge breakthrough. To carry this further, I'd love to see a challenge and clarification of what we can do with our devices on carriers. Right now it is up to the carrier to interpret their rules, and trying to fight them individually is a world of hurt.

Are we allowed to "root" our devices? Are those who got their Android on June 2 allowed to tether? There should be clear, fair rules for us to use our device of choice on wireless networks the same way we do on wired connections. There should only be penalties if we abuse the bandwidth, which has nothing to do with rooted devices or tethering.

Going past this, I don't see why we can't collectively spec and order a device. A Dream with USB host mode, a 3.5mm headphone jack, the ability to record calls, more RAM, a better camera and a stable edge for capture, a LED flash/light with a user developed Android distribution shouldn't be a Fantasy. (As it is, I can imagine a module approach where an extended battery case includes several of these solutions, why not throw in an SD slot for cheap massive storage).

What is working against us is the back room deals (players with power - Microsoft, etc agreeing to compromise products with carriers and manufacturers), and carriers who are afraid of the future, along with their apologists (why are so many people willing to say "that's just the way it is - suck it up"). There is nothing sinister in what we are looking for, it is all for good to get more quickly to what we really want.

Rogers started it. They called this a "Revolution" and used the word "Open" in their messaging. Let's hold them to it. iPhone, Pre and WinMo and Symbian cannot do this. Android can. It'll be a lot of fun and may define an era.

My Canada Android wiki: http://wiki.zooid.org/wiki/Category:Android
[G1 General] riddimmaster:
I spoke with the Rogers rep about this on June 2nd, so I'm not sure how accurate this information is.

"Rooting or unlocking the device will void the warranty, not sure why you would want to do that anyways (he had an iPhone clipped to his belt)"
[G1 General] nostriluu:
That's the biggest problem, we'll get a different answer from any person we speak to. I believe they write their terms to enable this (look at their current tethering wording). I'm guessing that like most people "voiding the warranty" (bricking the device) is a risk we're willing to take in order to be able to tether and buy apps (is it true that these devices, like a PC, have a boatloader so you can boot off SD card, making bricking pretty difficult?). And if there were a hardware problem, I assume the warranty would still apply. But in the long term, resolving ambiguity around tethering is as important an issue for not just us, but also iPhone users who bought the 6gb plan last year.
[G1 General] SpEnTBoY:
Well ... they'd have to know it was rooted first, and second meh ... :D from hacking around with hardware it's always listed as i you unlock this etc etc there's no warranty ... to me it's an acceptable risk :D lol
[G1 General] riddimmaster:
Yea I've had many experiences with Rogers giving conflicting information. I'm willing to take the chance and judging but this thread many others are as well.

That 6gb/$30 plan was (they may still offering it) available for people who purchased the new android phones when they came out (not sure if you need to sign a contract but I did). I grabed it a day after I got the phone just called in and asked them to add it to my plan. But if you can get it I suggest you do, as 5gb with Rogers normally costs about $80.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
Ya know that is what always thought and I am sure if Rogers "wants" to find a way out of warranty they would void it for that. However my wifes HTC Touch from rogers spazed out. It wouldn't boot, totally freaked. I got the reps on the phone and said its busted, through a lot of dumb trial and error. (rep on phone was a dimwit, but I did everything he asked just to keep him happy)

IN the end they agreed to send her a new Diamond as a replacement. I asked well what are we suppose to do in the meantime, and I need to get access to the "simbackup" He said "do whatever you can to get your data back" then once the new phone arrives ship the old one back.

The first thing I did was come to XDA grabbed a stripped ROM, got her phone into boot loader, loaded the fresh new unlocked ROM, got her phone up, found the simbackup file on the SD card, imported it, then quickly exported her contact list and messages as a text file that other phones can read.

I shipped it back to Rogers with a note. I was able to repair this phone, and that is why it is now working.

They never said boo to us over the entire matter. I figure if you have a big enough plan, they will cut you some slack, my wifes and my plans come to about $240 per month for the base plan. (120 per person)
[G1 General] nostriluu:
riddimmaster, there is more than the 6gb plan. Check out http://www.androidincanada.ca/news/new-tethering-policy-for-rogers-and-fido/ - they are specifically allowing tethering (using your phone as a "modem") for a specific period of time. They do not specify what people can do who have contracts from before that period (though many people with 6gb plans tether now), and they don't mention Android phones - keep in mind an unrooted Android can't tether. Don't you think this ambiguity should be cleared up, and Androids clearly treated fairly with other devices on this plan?
[G1 General] nostriluu:
Do you really want to depend on the good will of a particular rep at a particular time? I've always tried to be polite, but along with some considerate people, I've had some real doozies on the line who could not care less about what's fair (and us enthusiasts are the ones who are going to get burned when we step outside the lines of "average.") I have two lines and have spent thousands over the years, it doesn't mean much to them, we're just a number.

Are you entitled to tether today? If you're tethering and Rogers decides their networks are being overused, and since you're in a "grey zone" they decide to send you a huge bill or cut you off, do you think that's acceptable? Don't you think it would be appropriate if corporations would spell out the actual terms of use, rather than being ambiguous and able to treat each case as they want?
[G1 General] riddimmaster:
The way I see it is as long as you have a 1gb or more data plan that you signed up for before the end of this year you can tether as much as your plan data allows for. It seams like they are planning to stop offering tethering at the end of the year. I know the Rogers android phones can't tether out of the box, as far as I know there is no way to tell if we can or can not on the Rogers network until someone gets root access.

What happens at the end of the year... If I signed a contract that allows tethering they have to hold to that, they can not remove a service that is in my contract or charge me extra for it. It seams like in 2010 they plan to introduce and extra charge to have tethering available via your phones data plan.
[G1 General] outsider787:
You can always use PdaNet to tether android devices without root.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
My wife and I both got the $30 6gb plan a year or so ago, when they had the first offer of it. It specifilly says we can teather, granted that was on the HTC Tytn and HTC Touch. I still have my Tytn even though I am using the Dream for day to day use, however in a pinch I just pop the sim out of my Dream and into my Tytn and I am golden. Comes in real handy during a power outage. I run an extenstion cord from my cars 110v outlet, into the house, plug in the laptop, plug the phone into the laptop, phone charges from laptop, and cell gives internet access to laptop.
[G1 General] lbcoder:
For anybody worried about warranty problems regarding running custom software.... In canada, in order to decline a warranty on the basis of "unauthorized modifications", it has to be PROVEN that the modification is a factor in the cause of the malfunction for which it is being warrantied. In other words, if the buttons all fall off, they can NOT decline the warranty on the basis of software, however, if they can prove that you bricked it by installing a custom SPL and you are sending it in because it won't boot, then you're screwed. Note: this specifically requires PROOF, which means that they will have to dump the memory and prove that the data doesn't match what was originally on the device.
[G1 General] riddimmaster:
Has anyone on the Rogers network tried this with a Android device?

If not, I'll try when I get home and post the results.
[G1 General] nostriluu:
I don't think your contract specifically allows tethering. You seem to be suggesting that because you believe something to be the case, it is.

Which scenario would you prefer:

1. You signed a contract that does not mention your explicit use of tethering. But other people (iPhone users) can. So you assume you can tether, but at any point you can be proven wrong, and billed for hundreds or even thousands of dollars. Sure, you can probably go through numerous aggravating phone calls over a period of days to get them to cancel some or maybe even all of the charges, while the charges are held against your credit card.

2. You pay $30 a month for up to 6GB of data, and can use whatever device you want with it.
[G1 General] nostriluu:
PDANet is more complicated compared to setting up the Android device as an access point. It is also a proprietary app, and there's no Linux client. I do not want to layer suboptimal hack upon suboptimal hack.

Y'know, I'm hardly an evangelist, but I find it rather strange when people pipe in with "works for me." I guess if someone can swap SIM cards and devices and use dongles and hacks and cracks to get things done in ways that don't transfer to anyone else it's better than nothing, but there are better, seamless ways and we should not be accepting second-class citizen solutions. Internet and operating system standards exist that should be used.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
I have to disagree about difficult, to the person asking above, I am posting from the PDA account right now. See screen shot below.

It was so freaking easy, I simply downloaded the correct version, 64bit windows for me, ran it from my desktop, it asked me to unplug my phone from the computer, I did, clicked next, it said please got to Settings, Application and turn on usb debugging, then plug the phone in. I did that, all of a sudden my phone made a bling and Windows actually recognized the phone perfect and installed the correct drivers.

PDA net installed the app right to the phone without me doing anything.

Last screen said, open pda net on phone click connect, then click connect on the desktop, less than 15 seconds later they had connected and I was online. WooHoo, I really like this. Full version is expensive at 29 bucks but the free one seems to be great. Super simple, Super Fast and is probably faster than a great many persons home INTERNET connection. I have HSPDA here, and I think HSUPA as well. I am one of the few lucky people to have a 15mb cable line, for internet though. Hmm, I should fire up my torrent client and see if my phone goes nuts. LOL, I just realized I had my ftp app moving 5.9 GB to a server. It picked up and is even uploading.
[G1 General] nostriluu:
Re: the below. You must be joking.

How "simple" are your steps compared to connecting to a wireless network? No software to download and install (except on the device, once, and built in to the third party Android distros), you can share your network with any computer you choose, easily.

Your "solution" will not work for corporate users with locked down machines, Linux or Mac users. You're not creating much of a future here. You're creating a future of hacks and kludges and expensive, unnecessary third party add-ons.

You are running an eval OS. You obviously think messing around with stuff is normal. It's not. I wish (maybe riddimmaster could help me with his manifest belief system) people would stop accepting horrible work arounds, and simply expect things to work in a reasonable, simple manner.
[G1 General] Capt Fiero:
I have a giant rant, I could make about fighting with Linux drivers that don't exist, or getting pieces of hardware to work on an apple. Hell I have spent 10x the amount of time a wireless card to install on a computer. If you think the PDANET was "hard" to install, and you need hand holding to do everything. You might want to and find a "childrens paint by numbers book” As obviously you need everything spelled out for you.

If you want to fight with me, fine, take it off and out of this thread. No need to kill this thread for the sake of a pissing match.

Mods if you see fit, please delete this entire argument rather than locking this thread.
[G1 General] nostriluu:
Capt Fiero, I'm sorry to see you take this approach. I've been running Linux on the desktop and server for over a decade, and assure you I've installed many drivers. I'd hope you could be a big enough person to just say "yes, it would be better if we didn't need a third party app to do what they're doing seamlessly on the iPhone." As well, I did not say PDANet was "hard," but I do not think it is as simple (elegant) as other solutions.

The quality and tone of the Android experience is at stake here, and your acceptance of a second-rate solution is not raising any bars. And you know, if you read about the curb cut principle, you'll usually find that making the experience better for all users (including Linux and Mac in this case), makes things better for yourself too.