yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 General] jashsu:
I lurked for about a week before posting. Of course I also had successfully performed rooting and prior to that have dabbled in Android using the pre-release sdks.

People need to remember that this is a development forum, not a troubleshooting-for-newbies forum. If a new member is getting hung up on BASIC things or he/she can't be bothered to spend a few hours reading before posting, then he/she is not going to be in a position to contribute to dream dev forum.

On many technical forums and bulletin boards, lurking/research before posting is considered not a polite gesture but a requirement. Why? Because in a serious development forum, the ratio of actual developers to end users trends very high. When the number of end-users outnumbers developers, more time is spent troubleshooting and answering already answered questions than actually doing development. This causes the developers to find other places to congregate (e.g. #android@freenode), which is somewhat what we are seeing happen to dream dev.

Since many of the new members in the Dream forum don't come from technical/hacking backgrounds, they fail to understand the importance of lurking in maintaining a healthy active community. There is no way to really enforce a lurking period but I would not at all be opposed to much more liberal post deletion / user banning in the dev forum, esp for new users. Just my $0.02
[G1 General] andonnguyen:
I agree completely.
[G1 General] maruutah:
I only made an account after probably a month of "lurking", to help give my opinions on various apps released on the market for those who wanted to know if the app is worth it, what have you, and also to simply say thanks to the developers when due..and themers ^-^' Thanks, and also let them know if things didn't work right when they stated they wanted to know these things..Elsewise, I simply appreciate the hard (and NOT NEEDED) work they put into their roms...seriously, people need to be a bit more thankful, gracious..not greedy. If I were in Haykyro's shoes..I'd do the same.

Thanks to all who have posted their agreeings on this thread, and to all the developers.

Seriously. ^-^
[G1 General] gringo69:
I like free things....and I love haykuros roms.....if it was me I woulda made a teaser and cashed in on my work......just bcuz I like free doesn't mean ill work for free....

I think we should all donate ....maybe if we put up enough money hell put up with all the past bs....he can't eat I "thank yous" and "you rock".....we haven't given him a good enough reason to be working on these roms so far....let's motivate him with praise n mooolaaa baybaaaayy haha

How can we get like one of them graphs showing how much money has been donated to him...so that we can "measure our appreciation"....we'd have to talk to him or what? that way we can all see if he should put up with bs for peanuts and FU's

99% of the things that we do is for money...go to school so we can study and make money in the future....cops give tickets to be dicks but more to make money...if not they wouldn't charge...they don't pay enough at a job u go somewhere else for more what?......money

Let's hook this kid up ppl...

Money Is A Major Issue :D

P.s. I'm not a dev....if u don't like my ideas or watever...I really don't care hahaha....I have two middle fingers and a fat one for u ;)
[G1 General] savethechicken:
This is a great thread. chuck was spot on. We have asked alot from the devs on this forum and some people have been very very pushy for ROM/themes. And the devs get from all there hard work and time is griping and we want more!!! Come on now!!! I truely agree that Lurking is needed, I didn't create an account for about a week. Then didn't start posting(about a month after creating the account) until I researched and rooted my G1 and felt that I could contribute. Why come to a forum and ask how do I root my phone in a thread and not know where/how to find the answer (just an example). It is very unfortunate that there are some many inconsiderate persons on this site now, it was not like this in the beginning when the G1 was originally released.

In my opinion, this thread needs to stay as a sticky as an example of what not to do and how to act.
[G1 General] bolmedias:
Money is not the issue for Haykuro, the problem that he has is the community. Read all of the posts in this thread and you will understand.
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
the 1st post has been updated....mostly thanks to chucks post:)
[G1 General] gringo69:
I'm well aware of what's going on....this is only my 4th post but I've been lurking since the g1 came out....

Praising him n trying to make him feel "bad" that he's leaving with sorrys won't work...

Moneys not the issue for haykuro? Hahaha what is he rich? Man the kids puttin in work for ungrateful punks....and u can't hook him up? He deserves more than just the pennies the few have been throwing him...if we make it worth his while maybe he'll change his mind

And if he doesn't decide to return....he still deserves the money...or are u one of the tight ppl that don't think so?

Let's motivate him...give him a reason to continue....plug his ears with enough money so that he can't hear the haters....backstabbers....well they're out there ...but $h!+ happens

I personally want him to continue working on roms for the public...but tricks like walking on elbows and saying thank u at the same time won't work....so ima do what I can to try to help get him back...
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
unfortunately not every1 can afford to donate...im unemployed atm sure..if i had spare cash i would donate but i dont:(
[G1 General] bolmedias:
I very much believe that he deserves a donation for his efforts, and if it were my choice I'd donate, but I'm 17, dammit, and my parents would simply not let me.
[G1 General] RueTheDay:
Are there any How-To's written up on cooking Android ROMs? It might help others get their feet wet. I've read through JF's changelog and poked around in zome of the update.zip files and it seems pretty straightforward. It seems to be more moving some files around and editing shell scripts than actually "developing" OS code.
[G1 General] mrpandainc:
Haykuro is the man. Just buy him some nesquik.
[G1 General] Meltus:
lets face it, a lot of people here are students, meaning they don't have much money to give away. and due to the **** state of the economy, not many people have money to blow on donations. that being said, i bet he has made quite a lot from donations, much more than mere 'pennies'.

anyway, you guys are right. this forum's community is kinda bad atm.

everyone waits for someone else to do things for them. no one wants to develop ROMs themselves, they want people to do it for them and give it them for free. But then again people don't have the resources to do it themselves.

When say Haykuro finds a leaked ROM, he shares it with about 4 people or whatever. This means that no one else except those 4 can develop the ROM. if no one else can do it of course people are going to get pushy, especially when he posts threads such as the "shhhh" one. (which is completely public btw, so of course they're going to be all over the net in a matter of minutes. nothing on here is secret)

although, say if Haykuro released whatever he found straight away, maybe it would get done faster, maybe it would get done better, but he would quickly be forgotten as the founder and his reputation would suffer. he would get sick of not being credited for anything and would quit, anyone would. unless we controlled who saw this ROM, which leads me to...

my proposal.

pay to use this site.

or make a V.I.P area, seriously, i'd pay for a membership as i'm sure many of you would.

that would filter out a lot of the leechers and complainers or what have you.

and i don't mean never make releases public, i just mean a place where they could be discussed/tested and what have you before they're finished and where new ones could be announced without people complaining non-stop that it isn't out yet.

something needs to be done, because this forum just doesn't work properly anymore.
[G1 General] V_RocKs:
Being someone that also creates free programs and often has to trade with others for code and trust that my code and/or programs won't be shared with the masses I can relate to what this guy is going through. However, I have been burned many of times and once did the burning years ago when I was a young buck. Since then I have learned that the world is not heaven. It is hell. And if you realize that you enjoy the good times and expect the bad instead of letting it dictate your day to day moods.

The world is full of preditory animals and yet the majority of us will die in our sleep. Just be glad you are not a gazelle or some other animal on the lions menu day in and day out.

It was childish to share the rom. It is foolish to let that change you.
[G1 General] gringo69:
Yeah I get not everybody can donate....but a lot can....

A lot could get done if everybody could get their hands on the roms....but right now we have to rely on the few that have access to the roms.....

I just think I reallly sux @$$ that we have to suffer cuz of other douche bags
[G1 General] chuckhriczko:
I see what you are saying here but thats the point exactly. He's 17. He has a life of his own and he can't be waiting on us hand and foot. He doesnt need the pressure of working in a corporate environment just yet. He can wait for that stress. He, like us, are human beings. All I'm saying. I wouldnt say we are getting soft so much as some of us might be getting too callous.
[G1 General] rjwisniewski:
Bravo. I agree with everything you've said here, Before the G1, I was strictly a Blackberry user and I would hack those as much as possible, so the G1 was a new playground for me. I was glad to sit back, lurk and learn before posting anything. I think this is a healthy mindset.
[G1 General] Docavelli:
The fact that he is only 17 is the only thing I feel bad about. He did get jobbed on the trade deal but you live and you learn. But you keep on going.

I keep seeing all of these posts about "pressure". What f'ing pressure!? Nobody is paying any of you big bucks to do this stuff so why do you feel pressured to constantly perform like circus monkeys. It just seems like a dev pity party to me. If you guys would just wait to put stuff out until YOU were satisfied with it instead of letting everybody else push you to put out 50 updates to the same ROM you wouldn't feel any pressure.

PUT YOUR STUFF OUT WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE IT!

PERIOD!

AND QUIT WHINING ABOUT PRESSURE.
[G1 General] MERKJONES:
I dig it. I mean we all need to take that into account, but he also needs to realize that as well. The thing is - he shouldn't be waiting on anyone at all. But the thrill of pleasing a community, the thrill of being hoisted to the level of "Deity Status" it's too much for a young soul to endure.

His talent is a gift and a curse. He is very good at what he does, and it forced a lot of us to view him as a Godly Modder of sorts. That then became too much for him, which causes a lot of things in the community and himself. The distrust of friends near you, the constant hawking of a community for the messiah to deliver us from our ROMS. It can be viewed as somewhat biblical, we all shoulda seen it coming, but hey - it goes with the profession. Doing work for free, you'll always have people that want more and not appreciate. That's just how it rolls.

Whatever tho, if he can't hack it then that's thats that. Keep it movin'. I say the lil dude should be out making dumb mistakes IRL, gettin' into fights, smokin pot, doing stupid **** - and just live life as a 17 year old. His skillz will still be there, but damn - that was a golden year for me (kind of).
[G1 General] gringo69:
LEAVE BRIIIITTTTTNNNEEEYYYY AAALLLLOOOOONNNEEEE!!!!!!!!

Oooppss wrong forum hehehe xD
[G1 General] MERKJONES:
Amen...

(filler)
[G1 General] jmotyka:
This topic puts a lot of things into perspective. I want to see how this pans out.

But for the love of god we've got to fix the quote feature.

When quoting maybe put "qouting maxxamuss on post 116 page 3.
[G1 General] zombierockstar:
Perhaps a result of brain trauma suffered in a car accident!?!
[G1 General] FearlessG1:
I have to agree with Merk on this. I am a big time lurker myself (for a long time) but i commented in hay's gimme attention thread and i comment in this one. if devs are doing what they do for anyone besides themselves, quit. If they are doing it because they enjoy it, they learn from it, they feel accomplishment from it, they want donations etc. keep doing it. If you are looking to be worshiped, your in the wrong hobby.
[G1 General] Alienfreak:
Word.

1.Its rather ridiculous to speak of COMMUNITY PRESSURE on people about any ROMs.

Even if they open half a million threads a day asking for the ROM, well, you can just skip them all and they have no power over you at all. They are not your employer or anything.

So why wine about it?

The real thing that makes those requestspamming bad is that the important threads/posts get lost in the massive nonsense spam.

2. Quitting because someone tells you he will trade you something and never gives it to you (or at least not what you wanted)... honestly guys. Have you ever been or eBay? Or in the world outside called REAL LIFE? People cheat you all day.

Never lend anything to anyone you cant fully trust that he will return it on his own, or get ready to be after it for like 1 year.

Sorry, this has NOTHING to do with the community, its just mankind. And whining about it is just ridiculous.

Its not like the community here has any power over the individuals that join it.

And then trying to play the martyr is pretty weak.

We all know he did great things, but leaving the sandbox just because the neighbour kid once smashed you castle and then running to you mommy and crying about it wont help anyone.

He should get over it and learn from it.

If you arent after the fame of releasing a ROM containing leaked material then you just work on it for as long as you need. If you give in to "community pressure" (Im still laughing about the idea to feel any postings in here as pressure) you are after the fame.

The thing that would help against this leeching is more moderators. Threads of people doing nothing but saying

"ZOMG I SAW YOUR ROM VID ON YOUTUBE WHEN WILL YOU FINALLY RELEASE IT!?" have to be deleted.

There have to be sticky threads with links to threads in which the information about how far somebody is with his ROM can be found. Prboably the creator should save himself the first 5 posts so he can post the latest infos and vidz without you having to scroll through all the thread.

Also in these Stickies there should be Links to all ROMs released yet.

These forums need some order.
[G1 General] Mikey:
Only one person in this thread spoke about the very first G1 rom cooker.

He knows who he is, cause he has worked with him from the get-go.

JF and Haykuro will be missed in these forums.

Imagine what you guys call us, trying to clean the mess every Tom, **** and Harry created.

It seems like everyone thought the Dev section was a personal question asking forum. It ISN'T.........

Hopefully the rom developers see the difference in all, everyones, attitue and decide to return and exchange valuable time and ideas.

Nobody gets paid on here. We are do what we do because of the love to offer what we know or can get out of something.

My 1.5cents which in todays economy, is worth nothing.
[G1 General] twistedumbrella:
You contradicted yourself right there. If you are doing it for donations, please close your account and link yourself to a web application for google, htc, or t-mobile. Thst isn't doing it for yourself, that is doing it for money. That is the only downfall to this whole Hero mess. People lost site of what the forum was for and started thinking it was all about fame and donations. I haven't gotten a red cent for anything since I started modding, but you don't see me on the corner begging for change. Me and Dan let Haykuro keep his Rosie UI glory, cuz quite frankly WHO THE **** CARES WHO RELEASED IT. I'm just so sick of these being the next episode or America's Next Top Model and not a place for KNOWLEDGE.

My point is... If a thread like this was even necessary, then what the hell has this forum come to? Back in the days when the Wing (Herald) first came out, there wasn't half as much of this crap over who had what release and only one man per build, and all the other bs that separates people. It was a forum. Each man worked from the last man's improvement.

I guess what I'm saying is as much as I didn't want to admit it, Haykuro was right. **** this, I'm out.
[G1 General] jashsu:
How ironic to make such a statement in the Loss of Developer thread. ;)

I dunno, I find the endless procession of folks who sound like they might give Haykuro a rimjob kinda humorous, in a scientology devotee kinda way. I guess the technical term for it is "fanboi", but I'm personally reviled by that word.

If you want to hack in peace, xda-dev is not the place to do it. Just look at JF. He no longer makes announces here. Wise move, I think. The Android community at xda has pretty much gone to **** ever since DREAIMG was leaked (I was sorta hoping it wouldn't to be leaked, to be honest).
[G1 General] danguyf:
Words don't revile people, personally or impersonally. People revile words at their peril. (Though with the grammar around some of these threads lately, there's a lot of reviling of words on display. ^_^)
[G1 General] danguyf:
I hate to see talented developers throw in the towel, especially out of disgust. As much as I hate to admit it, though, part of me is relieved every time the available choices narrow. There are, what, twenty different ROMs for the G1 now? Too many choices.

The devs have worked together, and shared techniques and tips, admirably thus far. I hope that the devs who quit releasing their own mods will continue to help those who haven't, folding their efforts into the smaller number of releases, decreasing choice and stress while increasing quality.
[G1 General] sswalia:
NOOB friendly Subforum desperately needed

Honestly the kind of responses that we had seen over the past month or so to new android builds were inevitable.

When you have 600+ users scouring over hundreds of pages of instructions and development data, things are going to get messy. But as more android phones come out---- even non htc ones (xda has become the defacto underground source for android modding) the number of users frequenting android forums is bound to skyrocket.

The current structure of the forum that is not even close to organized, or end-user friendly enough to provide a development environment for devs.

Solution:

In order to solve this problem, we must first realize that the majority of people that are scouring the android development thread are looking solely for fully-cooked roms with little to no hastle. With that in mind, a subforum named "FULLY COOKED AND SUPPORTED ROMS" should be created with the sole purpose of distributing noob friendly versions of the latest and greatest xda has to offer.

All cooking and bug testing can then occur as it normally would in the android development section.

*** It is important to note that devs should post an ETA (a general time frame even) on when a fully cooked version of the rom and detailed instructions of rom installation will be available in the "fully cooked and supported roms" section.

Furthermore, in order to foster the importance of teamwork within our community, ALL users that are responsible for directly helping with the creation of any rom should be cited and given credit in the opening post.

All in all, xda-developers.com has a great opportunity to be THE ultimate android modding source and information repository. In my opinion, this particular android modding website is the reason why android is so great and the reason why android has any potential.

Hopefully, by seperating the fully cooked and debugged roms from the other still-baking roms, we will remove alot of the useless comments and repetitive questions from new users trying catch up to the learning curve.
[G1 General] smackiesfunkies:
wow

ive been out of the loop for awhile (which sucks now considering i have a lot of research to do again to figure out where to start with these new roms n what not)

i kinda fell out right around the time haykuro started releasing his stuff

and from what ive read hes done a lot for the community

sucks he had to go, but i thank him

not sure if this has already been said but

put yourself in their shoes

would u want endless people bugging u for updates/roms/whatever
[G1 General] trmacdonal:
Lets not Lose Perspective

Guys remember Haykuro is only 17. He will grow up a little and look back on this experience and laugh. He just liked everyone adoring him, and grew sensitive when people didn't react the way he wanted. As for pressure, its the internet. You don't have to be contacted unless you want to be. Its not like people were banging on his door demanding roms. He gave out his contact info and read all the comments. Guess what unsatisfied people are the most vocal. I can't believe there is drama on a forum about this stuff. Just ignore it. If he really likes doing roms he will come back, maybe wiser this time. If he doesn't, big deal someone else will take his place. Anyone who can build a linux distro can cook an Android rom. Stop obsessing.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sese649:
the file is ：HTC MENU EnHancement

i seek it for a long time .

thanks lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mcspikesky:
*Sigh* Please use the search function in future lol...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=491457

I searched HTC rhodium menu enhancements -> first result.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] pop91:
hello,

If I install a new ROM but then want to return to the default one, is it possible?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] d.cortez:
yes it is possible...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] one_e00:
how it can be done? hard reset?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] beamnhi:
how can you install new ROM? It's the same!

It can be done by reading this: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3638336#post3638336
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] new guy 1:
ive recently got a bit of software called channer which allows me to watch tv live on my hd which is cool and its FREE but other than sky news the other channels kinda suck, does anybody know if i can add channels to this particular software or if theres another tv app with better channels! it would be cool if somebody could help im not sure how to post the cab file so i'll put the link here so anyone can have a play enjoy!

<a href="http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-thechanner.html">Download theChanner</a>
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] custardo01:
There is WebTV and myPlayer is also good. You'll need Core Player to view TV although you may find some success with Media Player and the built in HTC Streaming Media application.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] new guy 1:
thanks alot for the feeback mate i'll try those out!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mcspikesky:
Yea the title says it all. I have lost my comm mananger :|

Heres a brief run through of what i have tried. Comm mananger shortcut on hard keyboard, Links in start menu, program in windows folder. Nothing gets it up at all.

I've been working around it but when i have been trying to turn my wifi on i have to stumble through some menus before i can turn it on so im starting to get p*ssed off. Solutions, PLEASE!

P.S. This is on my Raphael info on my phone is in my signature.
[G1 General] hueman84:
So apparently whenever I try calling anyone they say I sound loud and I have an echo kind of. My mom who used to be a ham operator described it as sounding "tinny" (the metal). My wife and my other friend said it sounds like I am talking into a trash can. Anyone else have this problem or know of a fix?
[G1 General] zgmf-x322a:
u can try:

1: do a wipe

2: pull out sim and reinsert it

3: re-search network

hope it helps