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[G1 Android Development] blueheeler:
Some of the recent problems are only temporary and will die down soon. There has been so much speculation, rumours, delays and lies all revolving around "Cupcake". Many users let the inpatience for an official OTA release get to the best of them, they gave up on ever getting their T-Mo update and went searching for something cooked and readily available. Their haste got them into trouble, and when it happened, they were frantic to get their issue fixed. Phones are different beast than Windows platforms such as XP, Vista or even WinMo. There is nothing worse than reading a bit (probably not as much as you should), trying one of customizations, landing yourself in a mess, then thinking that you $350 phone is busted for good.

Now that the offical T-Mo release is going out OTA, curiosity will die down and most people will settle for T-Mo sends out. Those that dipped their toes into the darkside of customziation and development have likely gotten to the point that they have functioning phones (and hopefully learned a little along the way).

That said, Would the solution not be to add a new sub-forum, at least to the Dream forum), for "Dream Tech Support"?

I realize that XDA isn't really for tech support questions, but since development is sometimes a risky proposition and sometimes leads to bad things, maybe adding a forum where a little more lattitude can given to people asking questions and needing help. Those that don't want to get involved can skip the forum all together.

If not though, this place will die back down for a while... that is until the blogs and such start leaking info about the 2.0 (or whatever the bloggers dub it), give a probable release date, the date keeps getting pushed back ad nausem, the UK gets it & the US doesn't, blah blah blah. We all know the sorted history of "Cupcake". Let hisotry not repeat itself. Google/T-Mo, learn from this disaster.
[G1 Android Development] soba5150:
More forum titles is absolutely a great place to start maybe make a senior member only section where newbies like myself could only view and not create threads, I'm 400% behind you on this one tubaking , I've been lurking here for awhile before I joined and I spent 8hours one day searching a 100page thread for a solution that for me was on page 117 lol. I seriously hope the mods listen to this because as frustrated it is for us who actually search its probably just as confusing to all the " I bricked my ph0ne" idiots . I think 90% of those SPL bricks probably just don't have a card reader to put the rom back anyway because they don't read lol
[G1 Android Development] alapapa:
done: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=519523

hope it's sufficient!
[G1 Android Development] DaveShaw:
Thanks mate, much appreciated. I've added my bit to it.

Dave
[G1 Android Development] theslam08:
Yep, the clean-up of stickies makes it look quite a bit better. Nice on that.

Now hopefully you two (mike & neoobs) can stick around and help us out some more, keeping it clean :) (ill keep reporting too). It would be extremely appreciated, makes us devoted members happier, AND the actual developers happier because they dont have to look at a disaster when coming here to post about their stuff.

Its a start :).
[G1 Android Development] jmon777:
and

I just want to say thanx. For those that worked so hard to clean this up those who made that spiffy sticky. Ill do my part to help keep this place clean. Thank you again
[G1 Android Development] bronxknight28:
I agree, it looks much cleaner now. almost had a whole page of stickies =p
[G1 Android Development] sinbot:
So, what is actually supposed to be posted here now? I had posted a question in this forum that searching reveals no answers for and seems like a development specific issue since it deals with where different build store or pull app data. I was than told it has nothing to do with development and to use the search instead. It was pretty insulting really.
[G1 Android Development] theslam08:
Well as long as you state you HAD searched, and searched for longer than 3 minutes, and more than 10 pages, you are able to post.

This forums 'idea' is on development only. Questions can be asked as long as it isnt help desk questions. This topic I feel is fine. And your question was answered as well.

And yes a new forum should be still made (or the main "dream" forum can be for general questions), separate for troubleshooting. But until then they will have to be picked through hand by hand specifically.
[G1 Android Development] tubaking182:
i think i found the solution to the problem that the previous guy was asking about
[G1 Android Development] theslam08:
Uh...well posting the idea is better than containing it ;) I think...
[G1 Android Development] sinbot:
You definitely got me thinking in a different direction. It seems that ANDROID_ID gets changed between builds (and cupcake moved it to to a different location), at least on my phone and that it isn't in fact an app data storage.
[G1 Android Development] crotalusfreak:
My 2 cents is that you devs are kinda pompus without us testers where the heck would you guys be?????Plenty of times devs release roms,themes,apps that they see no problem with but then a few lab rats later find out oh that may brick some phones!I have not posted much here and dont have a problem searching for my answer,but do have a problem with the way you high ups here always complain about us noobs.If you are really serious you would close the forum and only allow known devs to register,until then dont get so pissy over some questions weather they have been asked or not mods should kindly point people in the right direction before closing a post and flaming them like they are retarded.
[G1 Android Development] neoobs:
No offense but don't you have it the other way around? You would be no where without the devs. Remember the developers are doing this for their benefit first. They started out wanting to change something on the phone and learned how to do it then helped you the user. They can just keep all their work to themselves and not share their roms but they know you want what they have and not everyone has the ability or time to do what they have done.

The problem is that even if you search you have to actually read something, you can't expect mommy or daddy to walk you through something or do it for you. Dev's would get nothing done if they sat around answering everyone's call for help.

We the mods are here to keep support questions out of the development forum because the dev forum is for developers to learn and teach each other the tricks they have learned. It isn't here to help people root or change their phone.
[G1 Android Development] duramas:
Great job mods with the recent clean up

/applaud

@crotalusfreak

There will always be people around to test things, developers definitely don't need the "testers" that can't figure out anything themselves or through searching. Which just so happen to be all these people that have been making all the garbage threads with all questions, no answers or solutions.

Glad that the days of garbage threads are gone, I don't think I'll miss the days of dozens of threads created each day where the solution was an obvious wipe.
[G1 Android Development] crotalusfreak:
You are both right I should have worded it differently I did not mean offense to any mod or dev because I sure would not have been able to do jack without these tutorials and sick devs!I do get what frustrates you about those who just cant read.I get annoyed at the people in the market that will give a bad rating on an app that states its only for root users,and they cant get it to work simply cause there phone isn't rooted and they cant read.That is essentially the same thing so I dont know what my problem is/was I am sorry I totally agree 100% that us noobs would be absolutely no where without you devs.

I would also agree that the forums do look alot better and are much easier to navigate.

Again please accept my apologies mods/devs there is no excuse for me to add ugly bs to the forums.
[G1 General] recoil:
I have currently the Engineering SPL and I am thinking of trying the Haykuro builds that for what I have been reading require the SPL 1.33.2005, for what I understand it frees up memory for Haykuro builds, my question is would I lose the functionality of the Engineering SPL? Is the SPL 1.33.2005 like the standard rainbow SPL? Would I be able to return to the JF builds if I decide too?

Could someone go about the pros and cons of going to the SPL 1.33.2005? Thank you all in advance.
[G1 General] tubaking182:
pros more space and compatible with all builds

cons you may brick your phoen to a point that we cannot fix

thank you have a nice day
[G1 General] coolmarkoo:
I agree to me its just a normal spl and I already tried flashing to id 1.51 and it worked fine. U have to be carefully web flashing that spl because if urnot carefully it will brick Ur phone. Just do more research
[G1 General] recoil:
Thank you for the answers guys, one more question would I be able to use fastboot with SPL 1.33.2005?
[G1 General] alapapa:
yes...

also, since it hasn't been mentioned in this thread...make sure you have a PVT board before applying this SPL (check by booting to your current bootloader / SPL / skateboarding android screen and read the text @ the top)

...and update to the latest radio BEFORE flashing the SPL
[G1 General] ubernicholi:
yes you can.
[G1 General] nadeemhasnaat:
Guys, I already have the 261 radio which i believe is the latest one, do i still need to reflash the radio before i flash the latest spl or can i just skip the radio?
[G1 General] kathi17:
You have the correct radio, so as long as you have a PVT board, you should be okay. Just don't flash back to an older radio version with that SPL.
[G1 General] Praeluceo:
Does It Have Hard SPL Features?

Does anyone know whether this has the same features of the HardSPL? I don't want to lose the ability to do nandroid backups, or to have a busybox console to get into.

If this is just a modified HardSPL then I'll probably take the plunge, otherwise I think I'll wait until Haykuru's modifications get added to the HardSPL.
[G1 General] dkb218:
That's the deciding factor for me. I like being able to flash back and forth between radio roms. The original 1.22 RR seems to work better for me with most of the updated roms.
[G1 General] TheMan42:
Sorry to ask but I searched for this answer to no avail - how can I tell if I have a PVT board? I had my G1 before release (employee), I am almost positive it is, but is there a terminal command to show what version I have?
[G1 General] metasage:
@TheMan: this was just a few posts up
[G1 General] ront75:
power + camera button
[G1 General] Fr0sTy333:
i tried flashing the new SPL to my G1 with Dude's 1.2a and my phone was hanging @ the G1 screen. I applied the old HardSPL and everything is ok again... can i apply the new SPL and reflash dude 1.2a and get good results??
[G1 General] mrcrs:
i had HardSPL then finally decided to flash H's SPL. be careful because it is possible to brick your phone!

the most noticeable difference i saw was the more internal memory. from a wipe, from 52mb norm to 62+mb i think.

this is what cyanogen told me about H's newest SPL.
[G1 General] gwydionwaters:
my board is PVT but my radio is 3.22.20.17
[G1 General] AlfaTrion:
mine too

have you done anything to your phone yet
[G1 General] evilpig:
I tried flashing the radio and SPL before I read not to (rogers ftw)

And it went to the flash loading bar and just resets and nothing happens. I tried the alt-w first and flashing just doesnt work.

I know now that was a bad idea but it didnt do anything anyway.
[G1 General] jiba:
Where did the extra System space come from?

I have a question about Haykuro's SPL. I understand he bumped up the System size. But where did he allocate space from? Will that space be needed in the future? Sorry, if this is a noob question.

Thanks
[G1 General] Smokuevo:
it does have all the features .. :) and more
[G1 General] rkwarner2:
Noobie User Here..

I've been good so far about doing lots of research before attempting anything, and I have Cyanogen's 4.0.4 + Recovery on my MyTouch. As I was browsing through the ROM database i was looking at some Hero mods that I wanted to try. A few of them require SPL 1.33.2005 and I'm not exactly sure what mine is. But my main question is, and again I'm a super noobie, what does SPL stand for? and what is PVT? And what do they do?

Thanks

Rk
[G1 General] extreme25:
Read the wiki. it will explain a lot...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AkumaMax:
Hey I need some help. I am running NRGZ28's newest Rom 52209 and I need Voice command on my phone for work. I haven't installed it yet but know that I will have a problem with me not being able to press the button on the BT headset to activate the command option. How do I go about setting this up so that I can use the bt button to active the command feature?
[General Accessories] mikesx4911:
Ok I replaced the lcd on my g1 and now I have been looking for the glass screen but I have not had any luck finding one thats actually reasonably priced. Has anyone found anything yet? Heres a picture of the item I speak of.

http://www.perfectesell.com/htcgog1glscd.html
[General Accessories] shuflie:
You can get them for £25 in the UK which according to ebay is about $40
[General Accessories] jaboswell:
im pretty sure i saw some for like $30 w the digitizer...i thought the g1 is already a glass screen that just feels like plastic because of the laminate on it.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] litlmutt:
I was a big user of the TMO Wing before I got my G1 and was late to the party. One of my favorite cooks, Ttran was nearing the end of his development and there were still quite a few cooks left in the kitchen even after he was done.

I remember wanting to learn how to cook and a few cooks even had classes and there were kitchens available to make your own roms.

My question is, even though it is probably a little to earlier to anticipate, does anyone think we will have a kitchen to work with or even have a few classes regarding rom development for the G1?

I searched and didn't see anything regarding rom development (for a n00b)

Any help or even where I would be able to start would be great. Im not looking to be the next top Chef on Xda im just looking to make a rom a little more, my own. Ive already done some "adb" work but am looking for more.

Thanks!

Moses
[G1 Android Development] JRudnik:
Hey, I haven't seen this posted on this forums.

I had spent 5+ hours scouring, frustrated for a solution to get back all of my apps on my SD card. I had updated from JF's ADP build to Haykuro's 6.0. Lost every single app link. Tried everything, and could not get ADB to work with my phone. So, I finally figured it out.

Before we start, let's make sure your phone is set up to handle this. Open up the terminal emulator app(available in the market) and type:

su
busybox df -h

If /system/sd doesn't appear, something is wrong. Either your sd card isn't partitioned correctly or your phone has a ROM that doesn't have apps to sd enabled. If /system/sd does show up then you're set and can start the tutorial

NOTE: Moving the cache is highly unstable and works for some people but not for most. I don't recommend trying unless you have a good idea of how to get your phone back to a usable state if it starts boot looping.

Now, for the first step you need to copy all the apps over to the sd card. To do this type(still in the terminal emulator)(The third and fourth lines are for cache to sd only):

busybox cp -a /data/app /system/sd/
busybox cp -a /data/app-private /system/sd/
busybox cp -a /data/dalvik-cache /system/sd/
busybox cp -a /data/data /system/sd/
exit
exit

Once the terminal emulator app closes, power off your phone.

Then, turn it on in recovery mode by holding down the home button and then pressing the power button. Continue holding the home button until the "T-Mobile G1" icon goes away and a menu comes up.

Then press Alt-x to go to recovery terminal.

Press enter and a prompt should come up with a "#".

Now type(If you only want your apps on your sd card and not the caches, skip steps 6-9)

mount data
rm -rf /data/app
ln -s /system/sd/app /data/app
rm -rf /data/app-private
ln -s /system/sd/app-private /data/app-private
rm -rf /data/data
ln -s /system/sd/data /data/data
rm -rf /data/dalvik-cache
ln -s /system/sd/dalvik-cache /data/dalvik-cache
reboot

And... you're all set! Your phone might take a while at the android screen since it has to populate the apps tray. If it lasts >5-10 minutes then something likely went wrong. Make sure you did all the steps correctly and if you did try the steps in the recovery terminal section of this tutorial again. If it still doesn't work, post here and we'll try to get it sorted out. That aside, enjoy having your apps on SD card and the permanent 72-73MB available!
[G1 Android Development] xcallibur:
Thanks for this mah dude!... nuff props for contributing to the society:cool::cool::cool:
[G1 Android Development] Kinslayer81:
Hey, there's actually a wiki page on this:

http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Haykuro_Apps_to_SD

It doesn't cover moving dalvik-cache though, but it's the same steps.

Moving /data/data to the SD card is highly unadvised. This location has information constantly written to it... the space isn't worth the speed loss, plus the constant writing will shorten the life of your SD card.
[G1 Android Development] bassaq:
i think that with that price of 8gig sd card there is not so important to care about the life b'cause to make backup of sd is for me one from first procedures before new flash (if changing from haykuro to dude or jf for example)... so when it will go for paradise... there's no problem to buy a new one and maybe bigger... anyway, u can in time use different space from the sd for a ext just start the partition in other place of memory
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KneeeeGrow:
My fault entirely, but I dropped my HTC Fuze in the toilet...

Well, I pulled it out and popped out the battery and quickly dried it up as well as I could. I exposed as much as I could and let it sit to dry for a couple of days. Now, it turns on and it runs perfectly fine, the only problem is that the flashlight stays on, and does not turn off no matter what I do. Don't know what to expect to accomplish by posting this here, but maybe some of you have any ideas?

I've been trying to open it up and see if anything looks weird, but I don't have a screwdriver small enough...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KneeeeGrow:
Eh, no suggestions as to what I could do?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Agent Blair:
That's really weird. But weird things always happens when electronic devices are dropped in water!

I would try nuelight: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=456908 and see if that shuts it off. Otherwise, you may as well take out the LED light physically.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mcspikesky:
Out of curiosity is it on normal or extra bright and how long has it been on for without burning out? I use my light quite alot and am rather paranoid about frazzling it.... A personal message would be extra helpful as i may not check this thread again :P

Many thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chopsxxx:
whenever you subject ANY electronic device to moisture follow this suggestion - Ive seen it fully revive seemingly dead electronics:

Remove batt/power ASAP!

Remove as much moisture by hand as you can

Put device in the fridge for AT LEAST 3 days before attempting to power it up again. the fridge will wick all moisture out of your phone/mp3 player/etc much as it will fully crustify your loaf of bread.

Be patient! firing it up early will not help...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
also putting it in a bowl of rice helps

i used a blowdryer on an old samsung years ago and it worked for about 8 months then apparently rusted up inside after going in a pool
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KneeeeGrow:
Sounds like it works, would it work a couple weeks after the original fall into water though? I thought it was dead, but after sitting in front of a fan full blast, it turns on just fine, but the flashlight just comes on and stays on. Even if the phone is off and just the battery is in it, the flashlight comes on and stays on. I could easily use it like this, but the battery life is another pain.

I heard about putting it in cat litter. I don't have cats though. Hah, eight months is better than nothing, eh?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KneeeeGrow:
True. It pissed me off because I had just been watching Dane Cooks new comedy where he says... "I just joined the 'I just dropped my phone in my own piss' club." There was nothing in the toilet when it decided to take a dip, but still... Hah. I was trying to take out the LED light, but I couldn't even break through the shell. I realized that I need tiny tools to do so. I was also looking for a place I can order replacement parts, but if I can't get into it, that'd be a waste of time. I was just going to try to let the LED burn itself out, but until then I'd still not be able to use it, battery life is awful.
[HTC Excalibur] skyler17:
Ok, I don't really have any coding talent/magic myself.

But I think that us Excalibur users deserve a proper Pandora app.

I love Pandora, but hate looking on the website and only seeing a couple of 'supported' phones for Pandora on Windows Mobile.

[look at next post on thread, sorry I didn't consolidate it into one]
[HTC Excalibur] skyler17:
Working

I got this cab from the T-mobile wing forum.

It 'works' (I'm using energyrom 50909)

It is just very slow and not great quality.

Anyone willing to tweak it?

If you are interested at all with Pandora on the Dash, please give a reply to this thread
[HTC Excalibur] phatmanxxl:
Thanks for the cab, works great on my Q9h, Ill leave feedback when I fire up the ol dash sometime.
[HTC Excalibur] pudgedaddy:
didnt work for me on kavana 6.1 ROM. application opens for about 3 seconds then closes

UPDATE: it works now.... after a reboot
[HTC Excalibur] syoungblood95:
this app works great on my BJII...thanks a million
[HTC Excalibur] EngineerMind:
The Cab at the top of this thread works great on my Kavana WM 6.1 Dash on AT&T.

The only issues I had was that it would hang on "Connecting..." - it turns out this was due to the fact that the "Shuffle" feature was enabled in Windows Media Player. Just kill the Pandora app's task, then run windows media player, turn off shuffle feature, exit windows media, then when you rerun Pandora again, it should work just fine.
[HTC Excalibur] #2!:
Cab didn't work for me.

Running EVO 3.0
[HTC Excalibur] Millwork322:
Works great.

Using on my Kavana 6.1 Rom...it's working great. The audio quality is only about 96kbps...but the app itself is working with problems, even on my crappy T-Zones $5.99 data plan the music plays continuously without skipping or having to buffer...i think i'm in love with this App. Thanks so much for it.
[HTC Excalibur] Fuzi0719:
I have Pandora running on my 3VO 3.0 ROM Excaliber without a problem. I didn't do anything special, just installed the cab I found in this thread, used it to create an account and a channel. I have it running right now and the sound quality is OK, not choppy or degraded. I had never used Pandora before, this is the first experience with it and so far I like it. Using the standard T-Mobile unlimited data plan.
[HTC Excalibur] #2!:
Nevermind it works.

I have a problem using USB storage to copy the cab files onto my phone. It won't let me write anything to the device after I finish copying and exit. So I have to reboot after each time I use USB storage.
[HTC Excalibur] GrayTea:
Im using 5.0 ROM,when I run it,I receive a message like : doesn't support outside USA,oops :-S
[HTC Excalibur] CowboyButler:
Pandora

Works great on this side with 3VO over AT&T w/ WAP. :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] mantrajt:
Hi:

Is there any application that would tell me (audible or written) that an email has been succesfully sent from the TF3D email tab without going in the email menu?

Is there any application that would show me grafically (like Iphone animated circle) that I´m downloading email from the same tab when send/recieve is push? Something like in the image attached.

Waiting for your replys...thanx