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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Syd159:
It's out in The Netherlands. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] aerotec:
Maybe they are fed up of is all calling in so have just said they aren't releasing it so we all back off ;)

Real shame if it doesn't launch on T-mob. They have always been quite on the ball with handsets and this would really surprise me.

I took out an MPD T-Mob. I am going to use the £35/month sim in my laptop and cancel my datacard account. As I didn't upgrade I got £10 off Flext 35 and I reckon this would have cost £150-200 for my upgrade as all in I paid about £80-100 extra to have it now and without having to port away from T-Mobile etc.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] neil@domino.org:
if they have cancelled it then they are nuts. I upgraded mine through MPD all went smoothly and I have to say, without a doubt, this is the best WinMo phone out there. its fast, intuitive and feature rich.

Neil.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mr.Clark:
On the off-chance they have cancelled it (the woman told me the 8th of July, but I got the feeling she may have been confusing it with the Compact V), how does an individual get a business account with Vodafone?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
I agree with Neil; they are nuts if they have cancelled it - it's a brilliant phone! However it seems they have cancelled it for the UK (and I hope this changes).

Firsly call T-mobile, tell them you're leaving and ask for your PAC code.

Then either order the Pro2 via Vodafone's website, or phone them and get the deal you want. As an individual I think you'll need to say you're a sole trader to get the business account, however I never had to give company number/vat reg although I'm a limited company.

As you won't be VAT registered, remember to add the VAT on to the cost of the tariff as you won't be able to claim it back.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mr.Clark:
Ah, forgot about that.

With VAT it's more than the T-Mobile one on mobilephonesdirect. Hey ho. Easy come easy go.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solarsystems:
any updates from t mob yet?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ramsfan_Jim:
Well they're telling me it will be released week commencing 5th July (delayed due to testing compatibility with T-Mobile's 3G network) - but clearly some people will say they are giving me incorrect information...

Jim.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lloydsparkes:
Fingers crossed, i can only afford this phone if i get it via upgrade :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ansaar99:
ofcourse, it might be an idea to actually wait for 5th or 8th July and then see?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solarsystems:
T Mob should really let us know whats happening! I can see that they are going to loose loads of customers with not knowing if the handset is coming or not!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lloydsparkes:
That weeks does seem promising, thats when they will start to sell the mytouch3g in the USA, so might be a good time to release other phones at the same time
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kidd78:
rang up t-mobile today and they said they should of got it this week but no word still. Its gonna only be the diamond 2 not the pro because the last diamond pro didnt sell at all!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lloydsparkes:
Well thats not a good reason not to sell the Vario V, as in my opinion the Vario IV was terrible.

Even if the Vario IV was a good phone, the Vario V is far better, and from the number of people just in this thread leaving t-mobile to get it else where, it would be a huge mistake for them to do
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lloydsparkes:
I just called, and the person at the other end checked the system and the date for it is the 8th July
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ramsfan_Jim:
T-Mobile giving consistent responses! Shock ! Horror! Are you sure you called the right number? ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] brynweb:
More rumours about the Vario V being dropped from T-Mobile UK:

http://www.coolsmartphone.com/news4804.html

Just go for the HTC branded and unlocked model with either T-Mobile or Vodafone contract. I got mine from http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ramsfan_Jim:
OK, looking at this in a bit more depth, all the reports from T-Mobile (however inconsistent) indicate issues in testing - particularly around use of 3G.

This is not unreasonable, as however goor the handset is, if it gives a degredation of service on previous T-Mobile handsets, they will get compaints.

Looking at my Vodafone Touch Pro 2, there is no 3G option on the Communications Manager page - and I can't find reference to it anywhere in the settings. Is this a Vodafone issue (either with their network coverage or their ROM), or a HTC issue?

Does anyone with an unbranded (HTC) Touch Pro 2 have a 3G option?

Maybe if someone on XDA can resolve the 3G problem, then T-Mobile can release the phone?...:confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Warren17:
I have an unbranded Touch Pro 2 on T mobile (From Mobilephonesdirect)

and It works fine with 3G (even getting up to HSDPA)

It is possible to limit this down, via the Settings>Connections>Advanced Network. (Not to use variants of the speed)

When I was looking at getting the phone i had a lengthy discussion with T-mobile. (this is about 3 weeks ago now) Basically all he could offer me on a Vario IV wasn't worth it. Something like changing my contract to £70 p/m or paying £100 for the phone.

As he had no details about the price of the Vario V, he couldn't say for sure but did think that it would be more.

So out of curiosity i asked about a new customer, and the deals were equally as bad for the Vario IV

In previous time I asked about why phones took so long to arrive on T-mobile. Finally got someone with a bit of nouse and found that its down to there software.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lloydsparkes:
if the delays are down to their software, why do they use it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sproxy:
A friend of mine moved to Vodafone from T-Mobile for this handset. The retentions staff told him that T-Mobile was not going to carry this device and it was not related to technichal issues, so he could find a different carrier for the device. HSDPA seems to be working as it is supposed to be for him and that was an official Vodafone TP2. Not sure about the shortcut to disable 3G on HTC interface, but it has always been available in system settings anyway.

While this is pure speculation, there has been news floating that T-Mobile UK was struggling financially and DT was planning to sell T-Mobile UK. Maybe during this period they decided to reduce spending and trying to make the finances look good when they are on the market.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sicone:
Just got off the phone to T-Mobile and the lady told me that they are definitely still getting it but not til July.

Mentioned that other T-Mobile staff have been telling people that it's not going to be coming out and she said she doesn't know why they've been saying that!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Loconinja:
I suggest that she was thinking of the Compact V?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sicone:
She said that I could have the Compact V now if I didn't want to wait so I guess she knew what I was talking about
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Warren17:
I read something on this too - T-Mobiles Financial trouble that is, and there was talk at the time of either a merger with 3 or a take over.

the way the article basically said that the UK division of T-Mobile is the only one to make a loss. This is down major Carriers and a number of Virtual carriers too. (Companies like Tesco / Virgin etc who just use another companys infrastructure) So to compete, they spend a hell of a lot more on advertising.

This could be a logical reason for it. I notice the phones available on there website are slowly dwindling.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ThunderFish80:
A friend of mine works for Microsoft and told me a couple of weeks ago that T-Mobile are not going to take the Vario 5 in the UK. MS believe that they are about to be taken over as well. Hot money is on Virgin. TBH, I wouldn't mind that. Virgin are a far cooler company and would attract better handsets and give better tariffs. I just hope they let me keep my friends & family discount!!

Either way, I am sitting tight with my Sidekick 3 until this thing gets sorted one way or the other.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solarsystems:
why would Microsoft know what tmob are doing dont they buy them direct from HTC??
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ThunderFish80:
Because it's a Windows Mobile device.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solarsystems:
It may have windows software but the device is HTC and would come licenced from them. I doubt Tmob are buying the phone and then going to MS for the software that would be a real pain in the arse.

Anyhow if anyone has some real feedback from a valid source none of this vicky polard style "well my mate stacey says......." please add it in as this is driving me nuts.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ThunderFish80:
Wrong!!

HTC build the devices and pay MS for each device they build. They sell the device to the network at a price that covers the cost of the licence. So, when a network orders x amount of Windows Mobiles from HTC then HTC will pay MS for that number of licences. Therefore, if T-Mob were to not stock the Vario 5 then that would be a huge number of devices that HTC would not build and a huge number of licences that would not be sold.

Don't you think MS would want to know that sort of info??? I think companies are generally quite interested how much money they are going to make. I could be wrong tho. As you say, this may not be real feedback from a vaild source and you may actually have the family brain cell today.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solarsystems:
So what you basically saying is HTC licence the device and sell it onto Tmob who then customise the software at no point do they pay Microsoft directly as HTC have covered the cost! So HTC could licence 1 Million TP2 device and MS would have no idea to which carrier has them.

Anyhow if anybody else has more reliable info then please share.

Thanks
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ThunderFish80:
OMG! I won't bother trying to explain why MS would want to know where the WM devices are going. Just trust me. This is reliable info. I just spoke to him and he tod me that only Orange and Vodafone are taking the TP2.

I wish it wasn't the case as this is the ONLY device that I want which is out at the moment. If I hear anything else I'll post it here.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] neil@domino.org:
Why does the UK accessories site had vario 5 on it then?

I don't think anyone but Tmob and HTC know what they are doing and I seriously doubt Virgin could buy Tmobile.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
Lol, I think Virgin's boss has a few connections, a little experience, and might know how to raise funds if he was convinced taking over T-mobile UK would be a good idea. Though telecoms may seem a bit boring compared to space tourism.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lloydsparkes:
Doesn't the Virgin network run off the T-Mobile network (uses the same infrastructure and Virgin pays to use it)?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
Yes, they do.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] RufusA:
AFAIK Neil Berkett Virgin Media's boss doesn't have a beard, or any interest in space tourism. Unless you are getting him confused with Richard Branson who sold the UK rights to the name Virgin Media / Virgin Mobile brand back in 2006?

Rufus.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] weehappypixie:
Well I just called T-Mobile UK to see what deals were available as it's upgrade time :p.

They said I can get the Pro 2 rebadged of course for free on my tariff after July the 8th.

I tried calling Mobilephones direct but it just keeps ringing out... Is something wrong with them today?

John
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
I was of course talking about Brandson - Virgin Group's boss (I think!), but as you've pointed out not the boss of Virgin Media. Saying that, he's the 4th biggest shareholder in them, so I reckon that gives him 'boss' status... even if just to make me look a bit less wrong?

My point was that Virgin media do have the capacity to buy out a company the size of T-mobile UK if it made sense.

Anyway, are T-mobile now saying that the Pro2 is available from them? If so that's a bit annoying, as I've just signed up to Vodafone for 18 months with a less-generous tariff (though better coverage). Oh well, I hope they do release it, as it's a great phone!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ramsfan_Jim:
Given this thread - and discussions on other forums, I rang T-Mobile again this afternoon to try to get a straight answer. The guy in the loyalty team seemed genuine. He SAID they will be stocking the Vario 5 - when I quizzed him on this and said I had been given the runaround and various different dates he did not seem surprised and said they had no dates and there was no chance it would be in the next week or so. (He seemed aware that his colleagues were making up reasons for the delay)

He didn't say it, but I got the distinct impression they had been told to tell customers it was coming, but had no indication it actually would be.

When we discussed price plans he indicated I would be better off buying the device and then negotiating the best SIM-only deal at the end of my contract.

I think I'm going shopping....
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] accessjunky:
I've spoken to T-mobile UK repeatedly over the last few months (they may be sick of me by now!) and after flip-flopping between 'yes it's coming' and 'no it isn't' I've been told twice in a row that they aren't going to release the Vario V and have gone for the N97 instead.

I couldn't believe the earlier posts when this was said but it seems to be the case. I don't know why there is, today, someone in CS saying it is still coming unless the CS staff are confusing it with the Compact V.

I was told by business renewals today that going to a reseller, like carphone warehouse, would still allow me to go for the upgrade on my current T-mobile account. I can get the discount associated with that account, keeping the number without having to transfer the number out to a PAYG SIM then back again.

Unfortunately carphone warehouse don't have the TP2 (and don't know until it arrives whether they are getting it!!) but Phones 4 U do. I have no idea what the latter is like.

I know this means there's no next day phone support but it may be a valid alternative to switching service provider which would most likely be Vodafone for me.

I have to say that the T-mobile Business CS staff have been very helpful throughout, have been as confused by all this as we are but have still been willing to discuss all of the options so thanks to them. :)

Choices, choices!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Oliy:
You can also do this through mobilephonesdirect, although when I asked about it I was told that most people going for this option were paying about £200 for their TP2. If you go in as a "new" customer you'll get it for £25 on the £35/m price plan like I did, but you will then have the hassle of transferring your number out and back if you want to keep it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ThunderFish80:
Following your logic I may as well go down to my local market stall!! They are stocking TP2 accessories so that must mean that they are going to get the phone in. Bargain!! :D

When I said Virgin could buy T-Mob I was only talking about the UK branch. In case that's what prompted your ludicrous comment. Thankyou to David Mc0. I was beginning to think that the whole world had gone nuts!! Finally, some sense :cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kappo78:
I'm confused, how do you get the phone from phones4u if it's not classed as a T - mobile upgrade. Plus, all i've seen phones4u have on the phone is a contract orange sim deal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] accessjunky:
You have to get the reseller to call T-mobile and they will then take the amount of the renewal discount that you would have got off the renewal cost of the new phone. The renewal cost should be lower than the retail price, according to the CS I spoke to.

So if the renewal value of the phone is £350 and my renewal discount on my current plan is £400 then I should get the phone for free.

That's the theory anyway! I'll see what happens in reality when I decide who to go with.

It's interesting that I might be able to the same with mobilephonesdirect as mentioned by Oliy.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] kappo78:
Oh my goodness, if only you had been able to answer me earlier. I'm going to try that in phones4u 2moro, it's amazing how the customer service guy never told me this though, smh. Hope its not like when I tried to get the G1 from cpw, they were all set to give it to me, until they said that it was only available from them on new contracts
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] accessjunky:
The CS did say that not all of the resellers will do it as they get more from a new contract so Phones 4 u might not do it. I haven't been able to call today to check and, you're right, they only have the touch pro2 on Orange whcih may be a problem. Good luck though :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] younus_malik:
orange deals

orange deals

http://ibuymobile.co.uk/mobiles/touchpro2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thelawnet:
I called them today and they told me the Compact V was the Touch Pro 2.

idiots.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] accessjunky:
I've just called my local phones 4 u store and they don't have the touch pro2 in and don't expect to get it.

He did say they would do an upgrade for t-mobile but it would have to be a t-mobile 'phone so that doesn't really help in this situation.

It's looking more and more like a new vodafone contract with lower data allowance and I still have to check that I can connect the 'phone as a modem to my laptop.

How hard can it be!

Update:

I've spoken to mobilephonesdirect and they said that they would do the upgrade, keeping my t-mobile account and using the upgrade discount advised to them by t-mobile.

Bath or Oxford then for me, although not today and the cost of the trip will have to be added to my spreadsheet :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rienzi:
What's happening at t mobile UK?

Some months before my contract ran out (I have a Vario 3) I went to my local t mobile shop and asked them about possible up-grades. I was shown the Vario 4, which seemed to be to be inferior to the vario 3 in several ways (i.e. no tilt and smaller screen). I told them i was not interested in a Vario 4. Some time later I rang them to discuss my contract and they said a Vario V would be coming out soon and that it was the TP2. I was really looking forward to getting my hands on a Vario 5 (TP2) and so imagine my disappointment when I was told it had been pulled. So their Vario product line has gone from Vario 3 (good) to Vario 4 (worse) to Vario 5 (non-existent - pulled before launch. What was worse in a way, when I rang to cancel my contract, they didn't seem all that bothered, to be honest.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lifechanger:
Solved the problem, I swapped from vodafone 2 1/2 yrs ago to get the TyTn (Vario II) from t-mobile and a good deal on web-n-walk.

After loads of mis-information, since my contract was up anyway, went here (http://www.mobilephonesdirect.co.uk/Brands/HTC/b509/n443/p10958.aspx )and got it the next day, actually swapped back to vodafone, as their signal is better where I live anyway - took the Your Plan £30+web deal looks really compared to my old t-mobile tarrif.

Ordered at 3 pm Thursday, arrived friday morning, cost me the £3.99 for delivery, not worried about the 24 mth contract (i've had a mobile since '85!)

Phone is 'unlocked' so I can use it on any provider. (currently on t-mobile, whilst my number is ported)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sicone:
Just had a call from T-mobile to tell me that the touch pro 2 has been released today (though I can't find any mention of it on their website yet)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] accessjunky:
I'll be amazed if it is rather than someone at T-Mobile confusing the Compact V with the Vario V.

With the previous posts in this thread reporting all the CS contact saying it's been cancelled it would have to be a major screw up to release it having sent customers elsewhere.

Then again...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] solarsystems:
I just called tmob for my weekly checkup on a release date and the CS tell me it going to be pulled by all networks as it not selling to well. He said HTC have a massive overstock of the TP2 because nobody wants them.

It that just rubbish or what do tmob not check the forums? All i can see is loads of eagar vario users chomping at the bit to get the latest vario!!!

Come on T Mob pull your finger out and just relase it already!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Warren17:
As i mentioned earler in the thread, there was talk a few weeks (possibly a month or so now) that T-Mobile UK were not making money.

T-Mobile Worldwide (Or what ever the parent company is called) made profits in all the markets except the UK. The reason for this is that the UK has one of the most competitive markets with 5 major Networks (Vodafone, Orange, O2, t-Mobile and 3) and a host of "virtual Networks" (tescos, Virgin etc etc) who all piggy back from one of the big boys.

Now the article I read advised that T-Mobile World wide might sell to 3 OR Merge with them. Ie reducing costs and increasing the infrastructure potential.

The arguments about Virgin Media buying the rights could be valid, Perhaps they are now the best option. As others have said, Virgin uses the T-mobile infrastructure. By buying out the T-mobile branding, it would gain a shed load of stores, and customers.

How this all relates to not getting the Vario 5, well my opinion is, T-Mobile are delaying to let the Hero take some limelight. When that dies down, the TP2/Vario 5 will be released.

The licencing I partly disagree with. Yes Microsoft may have an opinion on who uses there licences, but for Marketing only. HTC will purchase the licence same as Dell will for the PC's. MS may care which Carriers have each phone, but stopping sales based on take overs? can't see it. Sales is sales.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] billu:
If true just proves the world has gone mad!!

TP2 is one of the best phones out ever, a true allround convergence device, beats the pants of any Nokia or even any Symbian based device.

iPhone is a flashy device with good UI but lacks the power and functionality of a good WM device such as the TP2. Now if only HTC were as good as Apple at marketing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] billu:
A comparison of iphone with other devices.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Ramsfan_Jim:
Interesting. I've just phoned T-Mobile to make absolutely sure before I buy one elsewhere - and was told they had an email at the end of last week saying they currently have no plans to stock the Vario V.

He said it may change, but they have decided that it is too similar to the 'Compact V' and the new Android phone (& the N97) - so will not be stocking it in the forseeable future.

Smacks of cost-cutting to me...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
Cost cutting is always a good idea when you want to find someone to buy you out.

If Vodafone were to buy T-mobile, then I guess they may re-brand the whole of T-mobile as Vodafone & would offer the Pro2 to people. Will be interesting to see what happens!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8123616.stm