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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rb14:
I was going to add a poll to see who could clock-up the most accidental-power-switch-whilst-typing hits but I can't see a way.

So I'll start the ball rolling:

3 (so far)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dazultra2000:
I've done it 7 times since yesterday.

4 of which were in a 10 minute gap last night when I couldn't figure out why my screen was switching off by itself. I was getting ready to RMA it when I remembered this thread and slapped myself.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] terryd1980:
I've already lost count of how many times I've switched the screen off, really frustrating!!

This is the only niggle I've come accross so far that I cant fix easily... I'll have to chop off my left index finger! lol
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] michaelra:
Funny. I never accidentally turn it off

I guess it's the way I hold the phone that's different than you guys. Because I can't think of a way why you can accidentally press the power button! :confused:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dazultra2000:
When I have it in landscape mode, I automatically wrap my forefingers around the back section of the phone (much like holding a videogame controller)

This causes the section of my finger closest to my hand to rest on the power button by accident. A small movement of my finger to the right will cause it to press the power button.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jorden2009:
I only have problems with the volumebuttons when sliding open the keyboard...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DerZivi:
Hi,

I'm going nuts on this, as well. Isn't here any app, that just disables the power button when the keyboard is in use?

Cheers,

Zivi
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vdKarel:
What, do you use your feet?

I've had the same problem also quite a few times already. First couple of times I was really scared some contact was loose or something! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fluke73:
I agree on the powerbutton beying annoying

I vote also for some kind of hack, like disable power off when the keyboard is out. As some of you already mentioned.
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
Ok everyone. I dont want to sound like a bad guy here or be redundant if someone else said it already but I havent seen it yet. This needs to be said. Look at what you all are saying. The majority of posts on the forum are saying (paraphrased), "Hey I am sorry that Haykruo had to go and you guys suck for making him go... btw where is the rosie rom?" That is the core of the issue here people. Who cares about the damn rom? Who cares if we even ever get it. Thats not the point.

When you are a dev here you give of yourself wholly. You have nothing to gain except the respect of others here. I am not a rom dev but I am a developer and I do know what its like to be in one of these devs positions. Haykuro trusted certain people who misused that trust. We know that already. But he also trusted all of you who downloaded and used his roms. He trusted you to not be pushy. He trusted you to respect his wishes of being quiet (shhhh thread ring a bell), of being respectful to the man who has given so much. Its not one person's fault. It's the entire community's fault. If we don't want this to happen again then there is a simple way of preventing it.

Give the devs their time. From what I could tell Haykuro spent every minute he wasnt at work, working on these roms. Give the devs time and respect, don't be pushy and if they trust you with something then respect their wishes.

Just my two cents but that's the only way to prevent this from happening again. Haykruo's loss is a real one. The community will feel it. Maybe someone will step in his place maybe someone wont. But mark my words if someone does and we don't learn from this and be respectful to the new devs we will lose them too.

One more time I want to thank you Haykuro. You truly are a man of honor. Just take care of yourself man.

thanks.....chuck that should tidy the thread up a bit

ok heres a few ideas that will hopefully prevent a developer leaving like the hero haykuro

1. stop asking for roms..it is just a bonus if we get an updated rom, that improves the performance and makes the ui nicer

2. if you are lucky enough to get 2 try a new rom out dont leak it. hes gave u the rom through trust dont break that trust.

3. give the developers a break....they cant work on new roms all the time..they have there own personal lifes aswell

4. donate.....the developers are doing it in there free time...they dont need to improve the phone but they do for the likes of us(the forum) fair enough if you cant afford to donate just thank the developer.

finally i hope haykuro will still be in and out the forum...from all the roms hes made hes a living legend.

haykuros twitter
[G1 General] bolmedias:
We know that Xdan has it, we know that twistedumbrella has it, we think that TheDude has it, but that's about it. Haykuro was the developer who was working on it the most, and now that he's halted his development, nobody knows when we'll get the Rosie UI. Don't get your hopes up.
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
ive only read half into the bust up with haykuro and whatever his name was....so if im correct did he leak the hero rom w/ rosie ui? and that caused the bust up?
[G1 General] bolmedias:
From what I understand, HardDaez promised Haykuro a ROGERS ROM that Haykuro could work on. In return, Haykuro gave HardDaez the Hero rom w/ Rosie. The ROGERS rom turned out to be fake, and HardDaez leaked the Rosie ROM. Haykuro has every right to be upset.
[G1 General] maxisma:
And where is the Rosie ROM? I only see the hero ROM without rosie.
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
yeah absolutely:(........not meaning 2 sound a **** but has hardeaz leaked the rom with the rosie ui anywhere? i want it
[G1 General] adub007:
so the build he leak was unstable and was bricking peoples phones so it was pulled from the servers and when info got out the hardeaz wasn't suppose to release the build the threads was closed immediately
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
aaaah right i get you now.....just when seeing haykuros video i thot it would have just been the same as that that he gave to hardeaz...obviously not
[G1 General] kathi17:
Steve, Haykuro worked extremely hard making so many roms for us in a very short time. No one gave him a break. Many people kept demanding more and more from him, leaving him little time to study. He was working on hero, Ion, Magic, and other stuff all at once while he was trying to study and work. Then they kept asking him for the Rogers rom. It seems like so many people were asking for so many roms, all at once, like he could just pull them out of his hat and they would magically appear.

He was trying to please everyone at once, then, when hard daez promised him the rogers rom, he screwed Haykuro over.

I have been following these threads, and I saw a lot of adoration for Haykuro, but I also saw a lot of people demanding things from him, and saying he wouldn't deliver if he didn't have something ready for them as soon as they demanded it. I also saw a lot of people trying to start trouble when the dude began making roms, even though both Haykuro and the dude kept saying publicly that they were working together. I also saw other things in these threads that would try anyone's patience.

Calm down, and wait. Hopefully, after Haykuro gets through school, and gets a break from the hectic schedule he has kept up trying to do what he needs to do in his personal life, as well as mod all of those different roms for us, he will reconsider. I'm not saying that no one else here can do what Haykuro can do, but he was very very good at what he did. I also don't think it's fair to start asking other devs to give you Rosie before things settle down a little, and Haykuro has a chance to take a break. He is the one who did the most work on hero, and we should give him a chance to decide what to do.

Possibly he will decide to work on this again, even if he does it through his own site rather than here.

Just enjoy what he has done for us, and wait for a week or two, but please don't be demanding. (I don't mean to sound mean or nasty, and I don't want to sound like I am flaming you. I'm just stating what everything here looked like to me).
[G1 General] pychobj2001:
This Thread needs a new title or it will get locked and deleted, and I don't want that XDA users deserve better then not knowing what in the world is going on w/ hero, Plz rename to "Loss of Good Developer/Future Prevention Thread Only" so we can talk about this and not get locked.
[G1 General] pychobj2001:
Oh and yeah, i think he should reconsider but minus the user input, start his own site where he can post his roms but not have to listen to user input, just bugfix and preinstalled apk request only, he need to go back to what always did, making himself happy first..and if someone else likes it then so be it...then he can cut out the XDA drama, i love this community for my JUNO my friends WING's and the G1 and soon to be my Touch Pro 2, or maybe even my Bigfoot, when they come out...I love changing what my phone can do...and these awesome devs only make it possible, so i hope Haykuro comes back or I'll cry in my pillow! I loved his progress even when i wasn't on his rom, the rom i was on was affected by his roms w/ remix's using his stuff...loved it all...i don't wanna close my eyes...i don't wanna miss one thing...the sweetest dream will never do! i'll still miss you steve, and i don't wanna miss a thing!
[G1 General] kathi17:
I agree. This thread needs to stay so that we can make sure that this doesn't happen again. Your idea of a title was a very good one. If this thread gets locked, or burried somewhere where no one can see it, it will serve no purpose.

A lot of the devs here are getting fed up with all the garbage, and we are losing them. Those of us who aren't devs are guests here. We are using their stuff, on their forum, and we need to clean up our act.
[G1 General] stevemartin1991:
how do i rename the thread?

ignore my stupidity
[G1 General] kathi17:
I don't know, try thread tools at the top, or maybe you can change the name from user CP? I hope someone can answer.
[G1 General] ben29pickett:
Dont wish to sound an idiot but does anyone have this new leaked rom?
[G1 General] rjwisniewski:
I usually just lurk around XDA, but I've always appreciated the work of not only Haykuro, but of any developer who takes time out of their life to improve the G1 experience. I think this thread is a fantastic idea.
[G1 General] Baldyman1966:
Guys,

I missed all the stuff that happened last night, but have caught up now. As you may know I have been arranging for Haykuro Donation Apps to go up on the market. He gave the final ok last night (before the **** went down) and they went up this morning. It doesn't mater if he never does any Rom cooking again, I thank him for what he has done and hope that these apps can be some kind of payback for that.
[G1 General] jashsu:
I fail to see how your post addresses the problem of the loss of good developers. I could be mistaken but didn't JF and Haykuro leave precisely because the dev forum got swamped by leech-centric posts... much like yours?
[G1 General] rjwisniewski:
The original post was worded that way before the title was changed at the suggestion of someone else. The thread is made with all good intentions.
[G1 General] pychobj2001:
Not leeching just wanting just a good explanation, hopefully this thread will get update more and more to help stop exacly that leeching trolling and bugging devs, and more helping the community in whole, i like anyone on this thread want to get his grubby hands on Hero, but we need to start going about this all the right way and not bug and upset devs, you wouldn't interupt a painter while he is painting and be like..."you done yet?" bad idea, but you could ask to watch the painter at work (via twitter) which we already got and still weren't happy...geez...or find a better way to interact w/ the dev. (heavy moderation on forums/ off topic and trolling deleted fast) but to delete everything to do w/ HERO on the forums is getting redunkulous that's why we need this thread and a good mod to help keep it alive..to explain what happened and prevent it from ever happenin again (end-users showing devs respect)
[G1 General] jashsu:
Ah yeah, I should have read the comments on the second page. Mea culpa. Still, it doesn't make much sense for the original post to remain in its current state given the title. This entire thread is just going to devolve into a lot of end-user speculation and belly-aching (like a lot of the rest of dream dev). Better lock it unless original post is going to be edited to discuss the topic stated in the title. :p

The ratio of the knowledgeable to the unknowledgeable, the helpful to the unhelpful, the productive to the unproductive is rapidly trending to a very miniscule fraction...
[G1 General] rjwisniewski:
I agree with you completely and I believe that's all I need to say, lol.
[G1 General] chuckhriczko:
Ok everyone. I dont want to sound like a bad guy here or be redundant if someone else said it already but I havent seen it yet. This needs to be said. Look at what you all are saying. The majority of posts on the forum are saying (paraphrased), "Hey I am sorry that Haykruo had to go and you guys suck for making him go... btw where is the rosie rom?" That is the core of the issue here people. Who cares about the damn rom? Who cares if we even ever get it. Thats not the point.

When you are a dev here you give of yourself wholly. You have nothing to gain except the respect of others here. I am not a rom dev but I am a developer and I do know what its like to be in one of these devs positions. Haykuro trusted certain people who misused that trust. We know that already. But he also trusted all of you who downloaded and used his roms. He trusted you to not be pushy. He trusted you to respect his wishes of being quiet (shhhh thread ring a bell), of being respectful to the man who has given so much. Its not one person's fault. It's the entire community's fault. If we don't want this to happen again then there is a simple way of preventing it.

Give the devs their time. From what I could tell Haykuro spent every minute he wasnt at work, working on these roms. Give the devs time and respect, don't be pushy and if they trust you with something then respect their wishes.

Just my two cents but that's the only way to prevent this from happening again. Haykruo's loss is a real one. The community will feel it. Maybe someone will step in his place maybe someone wont. But mark my words if someone does and we don't learn from this and be respectful to the new devs we will lose them too.

One more time I want to thank you Haykuro. You truly are a man of honor. Just take care of yourself man.

Chuck
[G1 General] rjwisniewski:
Chuck, if I had the power to sticky what you just said and lock it I would. Perfect wording.
[G1 General] sir*mez:
well said!! this brung a tear to my eye...
[G1 General] pychobj2001:
I agree chuck, hopefully we learn a valuable lesson but to say "who cares about the hero rom" is to deny a fact, we all want it....but patience is a virtue, I don't have it, but I can keep my mouth shut on forums that are not "request" forums, they are developer forums, for bugfixing dev tricks sharing, rom sharing sites, colaberating devs, new OS manipulations, a place for devs to...well..develope things. so I agree stop asking about timeframes on dev releases and only ask relevant question like how can we help the devs obtain a working hero build w/ a rosie UI we can use and not get someone fired...idk, a ethics on dev treatment....ooo that would also be a good title for this thread. "Ethics for Treatment of Developer/End-User Relationship" LOL no but really...it should be a sticky, and heavy moderation..i look at all the other forums and actally this is one of the best moderated spots as compared to windows mobile dev threads and such...so good job to these moderators
[G1 General] jashsu:
"we all" is a pretty blanket statement to make... I for one have no interest in HTC's customizations, for example.

I wish more end-users shared this notion. That and I wish people would do some lurking/research before posting anything at all. It would significantly cut down on the spam which lately choked the dev forum nearly to death.
[G1 General] chicojd:
I think THAT is the solution. Hey mods. How about a thread rule that says you can't post until you have spent at least an hour browsing the forum!?
[G1 General] rjwisniewski:
Sounds fair. I spent longer than that lurking. I didn't sign up until after I had successfully read all the sticky threads, rooted my phone by myself (following instructions of course), and updated multiple roms. I finally decided to join after I felt I didn't need to ask any repetitive and unneeded questions.
[G1 General] :
I came from windows mobile to blackberry to g1 back to blackberry because I felt as though I didnt have the knowledge yet for the g1. I got my g1 again a week ago and have created havick on it since. The one thing I must say is that I spend so much time reading through 96 page bull**** threads that go off topic! Look I like my pc and hacking my phones but fawk, this dream community is crazy! I like that everyone is figuring it out know that there's been a loss(first hero video is why I came back to g1), but geez for any member like myself who used to love xda and left for a while only to come back to a soap opera! Key statement is HE WAS 17!!!! Seriously I'm 27 and wouldnt be able to deal with half the sh-t that was asked for! That's something to think about!
[G1 General] Mediocrates:
Actually, placing that restriction on leeching whiners and spamposters would be a great idea!!! If you do it to all, you will kill the board, and lose the community of great developers that has assembled here. (no pun intended).
[G1 General] Audi4style:
Very well said. Couldn't of said it better myself
[G1 General] bolmedias:
I wholly agree with Chuck et al, all the Hero ROM has done is bring people to XDA devs who only want the ROM. They do not care about the Developers at all, they just want the end product. And they want it so much they start new threads about it, without even searching, or looking at the 200 pages of discussion about the ROM. And they want it so much that

even when Haykuro publicly states that he is ceasing deveopment

, they

STILL

ask for the ROM.

PEOPLE! The site is called XDA

Developers

, not XDA

ROMs

. Yes, there are some amazing ROMs on this site, but the site is mainly for developers to share information with each other, get feedback on how they're doing, and show what they're capable of. Now I'm no developer, but I can see why Haykuro has done what he's done.

The fact that there is a person on these forums who would lie to Haykuro just to get hold of a ROM with the intention of leaking it disgusts me. Even though I am sad that Haykuro has ceased development, I for one congratulate him. Maybe he'll be back one day, and I hope that if such a thing happens, people here have learnt their lesson.

And actually, the idea of only allowing people to post after a certain amount of time is a great idea! Why not go one step further and put something in the User Agreement that goes a bit like:

'After signing up, you will not be allowed to post for one hour. During this time you are expected to read around the forums, and see if what you want to post has already been answered. You may also use the search function for this. If, when you are allowed to post, you ask something that has already been asked and answered, your post will be deleted and you will be warned. If you post a question that has already been asked in a new thread, you will be given a one day ban from posting. Do not waste people's time.'
[G1 General] chuckhriczko:
My point exactly. Well said.
[G1 General] pychobj2001:
I agree, I don't want cencorship deleting i want idiot question deleting, so i don't have to much about a post and look for good stuff, and wade thru the dumb questions. i'm still learning about posting and how to treat all of this..i do come here for roms as it'st the only place for the latest and greatest, but respect the devs and give them there own time table, asking is easy, waiting is harder but the right thing to do...i can't contribute to devs other then bugfix and feature request, but those things should be in PM's or if relevant in the thread..but...idk...we need an Ethics for Dev/End-User Interactions thread sticky
[G1 General] jmon777:
this is my 2 cents.

Ok I know I'm useless to xda, all my post are basicaly thanx to devs. But I'm glad h stoped making roms it seems like he was doing it for the wrong reasons. I think devs need to think about what this place is its an open forum. No matter what you post even if its perfect 20% of us on xda are going to not like it and are going to tell you why. Simply put groups suck.

You if anyone going to post your work don't expect any to give money frist don't expect anyone to even give you respect, and really expect any to even like. Post for your self and no one else. If want all those things get a job in the field (which many of you have).

To the leaches like myself don't throw mony at the devs to get somthing in return that's not how that should work. Give it to them as a nice thank you not becase you want more out of them. Don't expet things to be just how you think. It should be all the time. You can't do what they shut up be greatful and tell them nicely when u fine a bug and hope they fix but if they don't shut up you still got somthing for nothing.

What I'm best at.... thank all you guys that have made my phone better and also you guys have thought me so much about much I can't say thanks enough I so wish I could give guys like jf lucid martinflick, haykouro, the dude, setsion,moonspoon. And all the guys making themes some big fat donations. You guys all are like artist in mind and I have tons of respect for what you all do and hope all of keep doing for your selves and not the mindless masses or the money case there can't be that much on this.

And to h you will be missed I hope you make lots moeny when you get a real job case you deserve it. ( I know. Money not why you did this) also I hope ur familys gets up on there feet. See you around the web
[G1 General] edb0y:
Keeping good people

It seems that part of the problem is that the stakes are so high, because there are so many android users and so much potential with the o/s, so people with a negative self-serving attitude feel that they have a lot to gain by being deceitful and then there are floods of innocent (but perhaps ignorant) new users don't know how to behave effectively or even politely.

Sadly i think that developers need to be a little more guarded, because a small number of folks will be trying to rip them off, they need to know that people will be annoying: asking repeat questions, and that 10,000 people will post 'gimme, gimme gimme' for every $1 donated for beer/nesquick.

This forum is amazing but the current organisation of the Dream section needs to be looked at, new users should only enable viewing and search for the first 24hrs, it needs more moderators and a work to rule policy where off topic stuff is removed more quickly and the user warned, with a 3 strikes and you're out policy.

How about a developer only section? Where things can be discussed by folks who know what they are talking about without having 1000+ unhelpful posts.

I think all this is needed because the android community, as represented on this site is very immature, by which i mean it's still in a very early stage of development itself and there are many many people getting involved who have no experience of working in open source communities before this.

So the community needs to learn and grow and mature, in the mean time this site needs to be able to sort the wheat from the chaff more easily. Then perhaps good developers won't be put off.