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[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] muuu:
If you use S2U2 you can see that no bars on the home screen is the same as one in S2U2.

That means no bars is what we normally call one bar.

So you have connection as long as you don't have a X on the network indicator, but when theres no bars its very likly that you'll loose connection anyway.

I often see it when my TD2 go from 3G to X to GSM/EDGH. I loose connection and regain it after.

But I don't think it's a pure software bug, my old Touch Dual/Diamond1 both had the same bad reception. And tried lots of radios and it made little difference.

I really do hope that it's only a software/radio bug, those can be fixed.

But I have little hope in HTC in that regard, if anything the answer is more likely to from this forum then anywhere else.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] WMguy:
Me too. I've noticed many times I have only 1 bar but the call quality is great. So my signal strength indicator is always lower than previous phones but if I couldn't actually see the meter, I don't think I would notice all that much...
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] wish34:
wish34

I have from no signal to 2 bars on my td2 with orange.

The phone is always searching for networks and often has all except orange on the list!

Orange say thy have no faults and there cell mast is next to vodafone mast!

tryed orange sim in a samsung u600 and the signal was marginally better with less drop outs.

So it would apear that radio is not so good on td2 :(
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] colonel:
Can I recommend something that the clever Pete_S recommended to me which has really improved the situation:

Change phone settings to only connect to your network rather than "automatic"

Also worth zeroing on the bands in your country. I have set up gsm 900+1800 and umts 900+2100

when we get hacked ROM I will just do gsm 900+1800 and umts 2100 which is correct for the UK

Its probably worth doing the above in any case, as it won't be seeking so much and therefore saving battery
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] cactusbob:
Thanks Colonel I'll give that a go
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Pete_S:
Colonel, I don't think I deserve the flattery I did that on my old HTC P3300 on the recommendation of someone else.

As I've just posted in the other radio thread you started, I've now reverted to "automatic" network selection after a particularly irritating 10 minutes of "no network". I can almost see the base station mast from where I work, I felt like taking the phone to it and introducing it! The moment I set "automatic" it searched and found my network again. I give up

In truth, manual selection is probably better. In practice, when the TD2 decides it can't find your network it doesn't seem to matter what you've selected. It's a bug, a huge wopping bug. It seems to have got worse when I accidentally left the data channel open, that's the only "clue" I have.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] DaBountyHunter:
I did what colonel suggested and it's helped my reception a bit. I've got from no bars to 2 bars now and my battery life on 12 hours standy only dropped 5% so I guess the link between poor battery life is due to the radio. One thing I have noticed now though is I don't have HSDPA signal in the house after doing this so not entirely sure changing network to GSM from auto is the culprit?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] colonel:
I've come to the conclusion its a mixed blessing.

Taking the network off auto does appear to assist the data signal not dropping out in areas of good service, but sometimes launches into "select network" menu when signal drops, which is self-defeating. So I have gone back to auto.

However, selecting the bands does help, simply because the phone is trying less useless frequencies during signal drop-outs.

Still waiting for new radio !!!!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] saulo866:
My rom: 1.40.707.1 (49069) WWE

My radio: 3.43.25.19

No matter how many bars, my Radio quality is really to low, both in my office and in other locations...even if I could not believe it, I gave it a try:

I removed my SIM and put it in my Touch HD: immediately all of my customers stopped complaining of poor voice quality, little understandability of my voice, etc....

So definetely the radio quality issue is true. quality is sub-standard.

As there is NO hspl, I could NOT try with a different radio yet, nor I could load a cooked rom.

I hope a new radio can fix this issue (quality of voice barely understandable), which is undoubtedly true.

For the moment I invite other people to remove SIM and place on a different phone and see whather their phones are better and more understandable.

Please let us know.

Thanks.

Saulo

My rom: 1.40.707.1 (49069) WWE

My radio: 3.43.25.19
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] HTC Touch Freak:
I agree with all that. People who think that voice quality is still good when they only have 2 bars are tricking themselves. Where I used to have full bars and now only have 2 voice quality is sometimes good and sometimes bad. Data connection suffers a whole lot. Most the time when I have 2 bars the pages either never load or they load really slow.

And I get 2 bars in my home. For 8 years I have never had anything but full bars with T-mobile on any of my unlocked phones.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] deechte:
I agree. Even today, I had an incoming video call which was rejected, because I only had GPRS reception on the D2. The Nokia phone that was on the same table would accept a video call over 3G just fine. Both have Vodafone sims. I'm still hoping for a radio ROM update soon.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] jeutie:
Look at what that I got from customer service:

I mailed:

And they sent me back:

So then I sent back to say again, that I DID that already...

And they replied:

Now... I'm kinda getting angry at their support :-p
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] PhilipL:
Hi

I've got the Diamond 2 in the UK and find the reception exactly the same as that of the Tytn II it will eventually replace.

Compared to a more dedicated phone device, I've found PDA devices such as these are always the first to report a weaker signal or no service when reaching the edge of reception. If you've upgraded from a phone to one of these PDAs then seeing a weaker signal is really to be expected. Complaints of "worse reception than my old phone" I've seen for many makes and types of smart phone device over the years.

These PDA's have so much stuffed inside them it's a miracle they get any radios to work at all. There isn't much space for the phone antenna plus the bluetooth and Wi-Fi antennas and circuits to have any antennas sited in the optimal position, it's all a bit of a compromise. Reduction in size and increases in memory and even pixel count on the LCD panel are all making the phone rather dense to radio waves. An aerial sticking out the top or side would improve things drastically, but that's not fashionable these days :)

I've tried many radios on the Tytn II that others have said provide improvements in reception or reduce battery consumption and seen no differences in my own experience. So I wouldn't hold out for suddenly finding everything is improved and fixed by a new radio that happens to have a higher version number. These Qualcom chips have been around a good while now and it is unlikely the firmware is contributing to poor reception in my opinion.

Regards

Phil
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] trinode:
Yep, we're all imagining it. :rolleyes:
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] PhilipL:
Hi

I'm not saying people are imagining it :) I had a Toshiba G900, everyone was complaining of poor reception on the phone network as well as Wi-Fi, I was complaining as well as it wasn't as good as a Motorola phone it replace, which can get a signal on the same network that other phones show 'No Service', so I was always quite smug :D

Tytn II had exactly the same reception charactistics as the G900 it replaced, no better no worse than the G900 as far as I could tell, and there were complaints about the Tytn II's reception, and now I have the Diamond Touch 2 that I see the same reception levels as the last two PDAs I've used a lot and see the same complaints. Maybe they are all just bad that's all I'm saying :rolleyes:

As for firmware improving things regarding a poor signal, well I can't see how it can improve on poor reception. The signal is either there, or very week or isn't there at all, and software can't change that as it's the physical properties of the antenna and circuit design and sensitivity of the radio. Yes perhaps they could up the gain a little bit at the expense of battery power (which will lead to different complaints), or change how quickly it roams to a 2G network in order to make it look like it's holding the signal better, or tweak how it reports the signal level so you get an extra bar, but firmware can't change the physical attributes of the device and suddenly make it suck in a better signal surely?

I've tried all the Tytn II radios and read how one version was so much better than another but seen absolutely no difference for my marginal reception.

Of course when radios do start to appear for the Topaz, I will of course still be trying them, I just can't help myself, but will not expect to see much difference :)

Regards

Phil
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] trinode:
You are of course, right that the signal is there or not.

Funny that you should mention about the gain:-

I'd have to place a guess that in response to the complaints of battery performance of the Diamond 1, that HTC have "tuned" this so that the phone is more reluctant to boost the signal power / gain, and therefore will use less power, It would seem like they've taken it too far, I've noticed a considerable increase in calls dropping / voice garbling etc over my Raphael (Touch Pro).

Either way, I'm hoping that either new roms come with a better radio, or we can use the one that worked for me from the touch pro.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] katsj:
The TD2 is trying to connect at highest date speeds possible! It preferes the HSDPA than GPRS cause its a phone that suppose to have the fastest data connection possible! In those speeds the signal required is definately stronger than the signal a normal non-PDA phone needs just for calls! If you try to force your TD2 to GPRS mode then you will see that in areas with one line signal it reaches full 4 lines signal and has no difference than any other ericsson or nokia phone for calls. A newest radio can only fix the way the phone switch from GPRS to 3G mode in a way that signal is acceptable for phone calls all the time! And actually the only thing we need is that! A radio that is smart enough to switch between the various connection modes in a way that a phone call can be made at any circumstances! At the moment the phone seems to be triggered so that it keeps all the time the fastest possible data connection type and not the best phone call connection type!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] trinode:
The logic behind what I'm saying is:- It tries to locate a 3G network without powering up the radio enough (in an effort to save battery), so falls back to 2G when it doesn't need to, when with a bit more power it could have a reliable 3G connection.

EDIT: The touch Pro is supposed to connect at the highest speed possible, but NEVER dropped a call.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Pete_S:
This confirms what I suspected, thanks Phil. This is my first 3G phone, so didn't know what to expect. It's true that so many antennas packed into a small space is a recipe for disaster. Particularly when the phone ones end up at the bottom of the phone just where you normally hold it.

But, aren't there Nokia smartphones which contain as many radios and antennas which perform better? Nokia, I think, are well known for the quality of their radios. I suspect HTC is not as good.

I like streaming internet radio on my TD2, and find it a frustrating experience when on the move. Sometimes when moving between cells the handover is seamless, more often it isn't. Sometimes you even lose data connectivity completely, even when 3-4 bars are showing (the data function has to be re-enabled). I'm finding it difficult to know what's caused by the inadequacy of the phone and what's caused by the inadequacy of the network. I don't think t-mobile coverage is that brilliant, even here in London.

Some would say I'm mad to even try streaming on a 3G network (specially on the TD2)

I tend to agree that no matter what you put in the radio firmware it won't make a so-so receiver and antenna good.

I did have a thought that one just might be able to improve the antenna by adding a conductive pattern to the inside of the rear panel of the phone. It might be a crazy idea, one would need extensive knowledge of RF design.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] trinode:
But does a bad radio make a good reciever into a bad one? (yes)

We have the same chipset in this phone as in the Touch Pro, and presumably a similarly specced antenna set.

The Touch Pro worked great after I changed the radio, it started with a bad radio, which I'm assuming is what happened here, the TP NEVER dropped a call or connection after I upgraded it.

I think the hardware isn't that bad, but the radio is making it much worse than it could be.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] NLCJ:
I hope so, since I'm tired of that damn GPRS. Strange thing, when I set it to automatic it has around 1-2 bars and when I set it manually it has (most of the time) 4 bars. Same location?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] car1965:
Hutchison 3G Austria, very poor reseption, with my Nokia no problem.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] imranbashir_uk:
I don’t know if I’m just lucky or if the T-Mobile version MDA Compact V UK Radio has been tailored to suit the network, but I find my reception is on par with the Original Diamond if not marginally better.

Anyone else in the UK with a Compact V have the same experience?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] dangel:
I'm on T-mobile and it's not great compared to my old phone. It probably makes more of a difference if you live in a low signal area (like me) - some rooms in the house get reception, some don't (as compared to my old 614c which worked everywhere).
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Bodisson:
Sorry to jump in your party.

I was happy with my device, out-of-the-box (see signature). After that, I upgraded it for WM 6.0 to 6.1.

What an idiot! I had no real reason to do that except curiosity. But consequence was that my signal levels dropped radically, ta half what they were. GPS started to lose signal...

HTC always answered that it's as it should be. But, after GPS finally died (is controlled by same radio software!!!), they had to change motherboard.

After that, 3G, BT and GPS reception are awesome, at least double of what they were. With the same radio software (or better to say, complete ROM) I installed!

So my question is: what are your expiriences with "real" GPS applications (iGO, TomTom)?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] BeeGee_Tokyo:
Radio 3.44.25.27 used here in Japan. Always at least 3 bars. Better than my Diamond I had before.
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ams1234:
i have a poor signal on the Topaz now i sent it for the 2 time to HTC for repair the say by HTC not so mutch people complain about this problem

i have T-mobile Holland
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] sskogen:
Sorry to butt in on a Diamond II forum (being a Diamond I owner myself).

But this discussion gives me a nice deja vu. My Diamond had the exact same problems on the Norwegian Telenor carrier for the first three iterations of radio roms. On the forth, it suddenly locked onto the network and things worked properly.

Being a bit of a geek myself, I tried to debug what actually happened (using field measuring equipment), and it seemed that what the rom actually adjusted was the specific gain for the frequency band "channels". This makes a lot of sense, since the actual signal gain (before amplification) is a relationship between the electrical length of the antenna, and the wavelength of the signal. The closer your antenna is to a fraction of the wavelength of your carrier, the stronger the signal it picks up. Needless to say, getting these gain-settings right takes time. (and a new design cellphone means you start all over again).

What we're seeing here, is HTC being pushed to ship out a product that REALLY isn't finished in its development cycle yet, because the telcos want more people on their ... slavery contracts. Basically you're holding an unfinished product.

This is why it rarely is good for connectivity being the first to buy a new phone.

//Svein

(p.s. I used to be an operations engineer at a Telco)
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] chokee:
Hi Svein,

Thanks for your "research" and explanation. Do you think a suitable (Radio?) ROM can fix the signal issue, or does it mean only hardware replacement (motherboard?) can fix it?

chokee
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] colonel:
I have a MDA Compact V in London (I live in the north and work in the centre) and it is great reception in all areas.

I am using it on vodafone with radio 3.46.25.18 and the 23006 energy rom.

I had an HTC diamond 2 when it first came out and sold it for an htc magic.

The signal was not very good at the time and the data as well used to not reconnect easily after it had lost the signal.

I am back to the diamond 2 now (in MDA form), but I guess that later radio roms have solved the problem now

rgds
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] todd69:
Sitting here with all the phones in my sig, moving the sim between them the topaz is really bad :(

Keeps dropping the H and I mostly use the wi-fi now, only read one bar on the topaz compared to 3 or 4 on the other phones.

Has anyone from the UK tried any other radios and had an improvement of any kind?

Cheers
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] akirius:
Make sense

Hopefully is just a software issue, not hardware

Is there any way to find out which rom is designed for GSM band 1900?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] smuppy:
Just have to ask, in what nokia model did you try your sim when you compared the reception?
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] smuppy:
Totally true.

(p.s. I used to be an operations engineer at a swedish telco ;) )
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Tim4:
I have a poor signal on the Topaz too :(

Previous my device, Touch Dual, worked perfectly

P.S. I heard a lot of chinese users have problems with it :(

P.S.S. i'm "China mobile" user
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] finesse:
The common denominator is the QualComm processor! My 201Mhz Texas Instrument phone feels quicker:(

XDA Developers contributes to 90% of the success of HTC because of the support avaliable, in trying to fix their phones!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] finesse:
Kaiser

Polaris

Diamond

Diamond2

Rapheal

Leo

All plagued with incompetent Qualcomm Processor
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] anarchyuk:
i have the same issue, i used to have full signal tho, since i done hard spl and changed rom i dont get more than 2 bars, i thought it may be the age of my radio rom as it was an old one causing the issues so i updated and still no change, has anyone ever had any evidence of a network getting the radio rom tweaked? most the trx's on the cells for 2g in this country are the same on the nortell and ericsson sites, 3g sites are if not all made by nokia on most networks, so i cant see why one network would need tweaks, the only difference on some 2g sites are new things called TMR's that enhance signal in rural areas, like an electicory amplifier on a tv ariel!!
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] Tim4:
Touch Dual based on Qualcomm too, but works great
[Touch Diamond2, Pure ROM Development] ams1234:
2 times i sent my TD2 Topaz to HTC for this problem yesterday i get a new one back from HTC

now testing of this one have a better signal
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] damir-bosna:
i just can't connect with my 3g network no more, it was working before, but now it says:

"cannot read setting from network.Try viewing settings later, or disconnect data connection and try again"

i flashed another rom, changed radio, sim card, but the problem still remains

does anybody know this solution to fix my problem???
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] medvedev:
Try radio 1.18.00
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] damir-bosna:
i am currently using radio 1.18.00
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] rajivshahi:
Simple get the settings from you service provider..

hi you can simply call your service provider and ask for the settings for the network...i think the problem is with the network setting not with the rom and radio.... there are some operator setting cabs for major service provider in major countries and try to check your ext rom there might be the cab for your service provider ..:)

Cheers

Rajiv
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kiay:
is there anyway to increase the email inbox number to more than 50? as my hotmail account have more than hundreds email in it but when i sync the inbox in my phone there is only 50 email for me for maximum, any help ?:confused:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Keland44:
might wanna check out seven beta push email app it has been talked about on the forums it might be good for you i can go back to 120days worth of emails on my hotmail account and it will let me store over 500 emails on my phone but of course if have my inbox going into my storage card for space reasons
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] kiay:
can you guide me to the download link??? thx:D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Keland44:
community.seven.com should be able to get it from there if you go to it from your mobile if not you can try and download it from the site and email it or put it on your phone directly
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] RootKidMitch:
Hello guys!

I'm using 9.5.15529 on my Raphael, but when I hit "lunch browser" in TF3D2-XBmod the browser loads opera:blank.

I already set my personal startpage in the settings, and if I tap on "startpage" it works, but I want opera to load the my startpage directly...

Can somebody help, please?
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] eXplicit815:
Lunch browser? I'm hungry...
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] RootKidMitch:
...Yeah I mean, when I go to the Internet-Tab and tap on the world, so that the browser should lunch....
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Rozenthal:
Anyone tried this out?

Seems like a nice app, and it's free...

http://sn1-p3.myphone.microsoft.com/mkweb/Start.po?mkt=en-US
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] j1978:
Yep i signed up about two months ago.

The backup was easy enough.

I like having the insurance of not losing all my contacts in case both my phone and Pc go down.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] leggoman:
myphone

loks good giving it a go, same here nice to know you have a backup you can access over the web from any computer.

a bit slow, if you have lots of music and photos. but that is the first time

synchronizing your phone, after that it should faster as only adding any thing that has changed.

It will backup

contacts, calender, tasks, text messages, photos, video, music, documents.

you get 200meg to store your stuff

yep its slow slow dont backup music and video and music you will have a long wait, you could do it over night.

you can use your phone when it is uploading

I stopped my backup and you get a list of what has been backed up and told on next sync it will carry on.

ok you do have an option to pick what you want to back up

on first use it looks ok.

Rozenthal Senior Member thanks for the info on this

after playing, updating photo 48 of them was not so bad i stopped started a few times and the upload did get faster.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] punisher465:
ok i was clearing folders in my phone when i accidentally deleted my g-sensor folder.:( i know it's super stupid to do that but i did. now i cant get the folder back even after i hard reset my phone! PLEASE HELP!:o
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] punisher465:
pleasee help!!