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[G1 Apps and Games] Spon4ik:
I tried AndNav and didn't like it.

about submitting traces: waze server collects info about the average speed on streets online and compiles the fastest rout for now. you cant know what can be better tomorrow, so upload trace doesn't solve the rush hour problems.

it's also GPL2 as I know, maybe I missed something?
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
Are there enough people submitting data to get reliable estimates? Does it cache map tiles for use without a data connection? I've got maps of varying detail for the whole world preloaded into my phone, higher resolution for places I'm more likely to be in.
[G1 Apps and Games] Spon4ik:
no, but I have data plan, if it's so necessary to use offline, maybe AndNav better for you...

edit: and if it's only a question about broken connection, in the driving process, so yes, you may continue driving with waze, but without online updates about traffic situation.

in Israel? definitely YES! in USA? I don't know the numbers, Waze is new for world wide use.

definitely YES!

but once again, it's new app for world wide use, and I believe that there many missing streets, so, it's your choice, u can use map that already dune for your place, but you don't know if there already uploaded fastest rout, and do not know if there no pileup, but it's offline.
[G1 Apps and Games] Spon4ik:
have been tried to use andnav & andnav2, useless, no routs for israel at all, but there a full detailed map (google maps renderer)(mapnik have map of Israel too, but not so detailed) and the app can't just begin search addresses in counties, that are not in the list of supported countries.

if I have full detailed map, why I cant even try to search some place?

I have an answer: because no one has uploaded routs!

waze compiles rout itself, and not just rout, but fastest or shortest rout, you can choose, and if you record missing streets in some country, that not in Israel or USA that official supported, everyone can start rout to there without some stupid list of supported places and without program update, because it's appears in map. I mean, all over the world actually supported and no limits.

sorry for my English
[G1 Apps and Games] Spon4ik:
here some Presentation of waze

http://test.waze.com/guided_tour/
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
The maps are just images. It can't create routes from them. It needs the XML data from OSM to create routes.
[G1 Apps and Games] G_won:
AndNav2 for the US?

Bleh, jsut to clarify some things, first off I don't see it when I do a search for "AndNav2" in market and only see the first Andnav when doing a "AndNav" search along with a search for the publisher. I'm guessing that the US Servers still needs to be thrown up & maybe only a handful of states is supported as it was before when "US Support" was first announced with folks like PA or NJ along with the rest of the country is still out of luck & left to resort to the other GPS alternatives readily available for Android
[G1 Apps and Games] Spon4ik:
that is the problem! even if yo have maps done, it's useless...
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
Now I'm getting an error!

"Sorry, but this version of AndNav2 has expired!"

WTF! It won't let me run it?? Waze gives horrible directions, and now I can't run AndNav2, either??
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
Just when I need to use it. I downloaded the latest version and it just crashes when I try to start it. It gets disabled when it expires?? I am officially pissed. What are they thinking?
[G1 Apps and Games] dandv:
The situation of GPS Navigation apps for Android

I've tried various versions of AndNav2 but all forced close at one point or another (either at startup, the US version; or when trying to calculate a route - the latest version). Despite California being allegedly covered, AndNav2 couldn't find any address in CA.

As for Waze, it's a great idea to crowdsource maps and traffic, even if it duplicates OSM's efforts (which is because OSM's CC license doesn't let Waze sell the maps). However, the Waze FAQ states:

All in all, I still haven't found a half-decent GPS Navigation for Android. For Windows Mobile, there were plenty highly powerful apps. For Android, solutions are currently half-baked:

Android GPS Navigation software comparison wiki
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
There's also http://www.alk.com/copilot/android/ but I haven't tried it
[G1 Apps and Games] dandv:
Copilot isn't that great either

It's listed on my wiki: Copilot Live 8 on Android review
[G1 Apps and Games] dandv:
2010-November update:

In case anyone is still reading this thread, AndNav2 has been abandoned and the most promising open-source navigation app for the Android is now OsmAnd.
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
OsmAnd's not very good, though. Another alternative is Brut Google Maps, which reads your existing AndNav tiles so you can do precaching and don't need to download anything new. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=630887
[G1 Apps and Games] dandv:
OsmAnd is the most promising open-source OSM-based navigation app

What exactly are its issues?

Indeed, navigation is not on par with Google Maps.

But OsmAnd is open source, let's make it better.

AndNav tiles are horrendously large: 4GB for the Greater Los Angeles area alone.

And the point is to use OpenStreetMaps data.
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
It just seemed clunky and poor when I tried it. All I need is offline Google maps, and a track to show where I've been. It would be nice if it could record tracks, and it would be super if it could navigate without a network connection, but I won't cross my fingers.

So? I have an 8 GB card, should cost about $15 these days? I have 2 GB of AndNav tiles for everywhere I'm likely to go, and it's well worth the space.

Google Maps is better. I tried OSM at first and it's ugly and inaccurate. Google Maps shows buildings and everything.
[G1 Apps and Games] dandv:
OSM FTW

The current version is 0.5.1 alpha (b3) and development has progressed quite a lot since 0.4.3, which is what you probably tried. For instance, vector maps are supported now.

gVis lets you download offline maps (tiles) from the phone, and OsmTracker is the best tracker for Android.

It can, though without OsmTracker's advanced features.

There's work being done on OsmAnd offline routing.

The flat file model doesn't scale. The number of files alone can slow down a device a lot.

Better at what? Navigation, yes. Maps, no way.

The problem with Google Maps is that they don't give much **** on users bug reports. Yahoo's main HQ in Sunnyvale, CA was not drawn on the map until a few months ago, even though Yahoo! had been there for years. Instead, GMaps showed a florist shop, which doesn't exit. Yahoo! is now on the map after I reported the issue numerous times, but the bogus florist shop is still there.

They do map some building but if they don't, tough luck. A local college didn't have any of its buildings mapped, and my friend missed half an hour of their first class there looking for a specific building. After class, I showed him how to do it, and we mapped all of the buildings on OpenStreetMaps.

While Google can throw dollars at getting a great car navigation experience, they just can't compete with the massive crowdsourcing effort that OSM is. There were over 300,000 registered OSM contributors as of Sept 2010. Everywhere around the world. If a map is wrong and someone sees it, it gets fixed. Not so with Google.
[G1 Apps and Games] endolith:
Ok, I'll try it.

That's cool. I'd rather just use Atlas Creator on the computer, though.

"Display OpenStreetMap under track - Needs a data connection", so it's just as useless as My Tracks. Also, the interface seems a bit convoluted.

Yeah, vector maps or having the tiles in a single file with a database for quick access seems best. Preferably a single database that all these different apps can share. Brut Google Maps hack uses zip files, which should be at least a small improvement.

You can't be serious. Google Maps is 100x better than OSM. There's no contest. I picked a point at random in the city for comparison and attached the two maps. If you think these are even comparable in quality, you're delusional. The Google Map can even be zoomed in one more level than OSM, exposing even more locations. The OSM map has an icon for a theatre that Google Maps doesn't have, but this is just an error in OSM; the name has been changed. The data points on the OSM map are only approximately close to their true locations. GM is much more accurate.

I used OSM in AndNav at first, but then I realized it sucks and deleted all the tiles so I could make room for Google Maps tiles.

If Google Maps is better at navigation, too, then I don't see why anyone would use OSM.

Spreading FUD? I've submitted map errors to Google Maps and they were fixed. OSM has lots of errors and, more importantly, much less data.

So OSM is missing a lot of information, but I can waste my free time by manually adding it in myself? That's not an argument in favor of OSM.

Google Maps is, in fact, much better, so it would seem that their model (buying information from professional mapmakers and allowing the crowd to fix errors in it) is winning the competition.
[G1 Apps and Games] dandv:
OSM FTW

For the US, yes, Google Maps has way more detail in places the community hasn't touched yet.

But check these comparisons for places outside of the US:

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlemap&lon=103.84152&lat=22.33452&zoom=18

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlemap&lon=24.68449&lat=57.10032&zoom=16

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlemap&lon=25.27457&lat=57.31336&zoom=17

http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/?mt0=mapnik&mt1=googlemap&lon=44.78726&lat=41.7186&zoom=13 - for some extra fun

Google has risible data there, in comparison to OSM.

In The Netherlands, a lot of the country has 3D shapes in OSM: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3dShapes

It depends on what you're looking for:

coverage of areas outside the US can be much better with OSM, depending on the area

you can't take vector data from Google offline, on a mobile device

privacy - with Google, all your travels are logged against your Google account

with OSM, your corrections will show up on the map in a matter of minutes, not months. Of course, that matters if you are interested in contributing back to the mapping community, which indeed Europeans seem much better at.
[General Questions and Answers] papalepoepie:
When I change from portrait to landscape (and back) a strange thing happen (see screenshot) in the left upper corner. Can I fix this....

Your help will be very welcome. Tanks in advance
[General Questions and Answers] GSM4ever:
hmm ok

I had the same occurrence when i was using m2d/ touch flo. what resolution is ur device? vga,qvga or what?
[General Questions and Answers] papalepoepie:
I have a HTC Touch HD with WVGA resolution.

Have you been able to solve this with your phone?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] *****:
Hi I have problem with my Qtek 9000,tonight I flash my PDA with wmv 6.5 and now the sound from speaker is very slow... in windows 6.1 versioon was perfect it's some new bug in win 6.5 or have some other problem?

I check here 2 pda I have one hp2495+qtek900 after update again problem with sound. Please tell is it normal?
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] orb3000:
As you know 6.5 still beta, so strange behaivour is expected

try to ask in the thread where you downloaded the ROM or better go back to 6.1 till beta comes final
[G1 Android Development] bilclintonsdaman:
i want to alias ls='ls --color=always'. is there something like a .bashrc file for busybox sh?
[G1 Android Development] short/y:
Just had a look at the busybox source and it says it uses the contents of environment variable ENV as a startup script so you could do

ENV=/system/sd/.bashrc ash

and it'll read /system/sd/.bashrc for your startup commands. Altrernatively, if you invoke it as a login shell (ash -l), it'll source /etc/profile then .profile from the current directory so if you create /system/sd/.profile to contain alias ls='ls --color=always' then as long as you do this

cd /system/sd
ash -l

you'll have your alias (I just tried this with JF1.51 and it worked great).

I also saw that it will record command history to the file named in HISTFILE so you may want to make your startup script look like this

alias ls='ls --color=always'
HISTFILE=/system/sd/.histfile

Also, keep in mind that this isn't bash -- you need to use ash shell scripting semantics.
[G1 Android Development] bilclintonsdaman:
Sweet! Thanks so much
[G1 Android Development] GLotsapot:
~/.PROFILE

if you edit (may need to create it first) the .profile file in your home directory you shouldn't have an issue

i have the following in my ~/.profile file:

alias dir='ls -Alp'
alias cls='clear'

The next time you log in, you'll have your alias's :)
[G1 Android Development] rikupw:
pre-compiled gnu bash

I can't remember where I found it, however, if you know enough to set it up, I have a pre-compiled gnu bash 3.2 file that allows you to execute something like this:

su -c '/path/to/bash --rcfile /path/to/.bashrc'

in the terminal emulator and you'll execute a bash shell with the .bashrc :)

I attached the pre-compiled gnu bash 3.2 in a zip file on the post, good luck getting it running! google is your friend! :D

I also compiled bash 4.0 for myself to use, but its kind of buggy since it was actually one of the first binaries that i've ever compiled on linux :P :) but it works! :D its just really slow >.>

I followed this tutorial to compile it :)

http://www.kbrandt.com/category/bash
[G1 General] Daley87:
So what exactly causes it, is it due to installing certain apps or is it apps to SD or a combination? Also are there any specific ways to avoid it or reverse it? Kind of sick of wiping, flashing then using appstoSD for a few days (with everything booting fine) and then 1 day it starts looping and I then have to wipe and flash again.

Any help is more than welcome, cheers guys.
[G1 General] tehseano:
Is whiping and flashing that much of a pain? If anything, just try flashing without a whipe, then re-link your sd

you dont loose your apps and such, and it only takes 5 minutes.
[G1 General] ivanmmj:
What causes death? Way too many things to count.

But from what you're describing, it sounds like your ext2 partition in your sd card is to blame. The G1 doesn't properly unmount the ext2 partition which leads to problems. You're better off with an ext3 partition if your ROM supports it.
[General Questions and Answers] poifgh:
Hi

I am interested in developing a tool that can intercept all the system calls from all/as many/ processes as possible. This tool just (as I wish) gets a notification from kernel that a process pid has initiated a system call X. I came across this article

http://madoc.bib.uni-mannheim.de/madoc/volltexte/2008/1933/pdf/TR_2008_003.pdf

I got pretty confused after reading this. Is there a standard way/code available that can help me with this? I am new to programming on phones. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thnx
[General Questions and Answers] stepw:
It's a decent article, but the technique has been around for a while, so you should have been able to find a few examples by searching for "WinCE system calls".

There's a sourceforge project that aims at implementing a call tracer for WinCE:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/strace-wince

And there's a tool readily available capable of this:

http://www.forwardlab.com/freestuff.htm

If you are not very familiar with mobile development, maybe it's not the right time to get to API interception level yet? Microsoft's VS debugger should be able to cover the basis for a beginner...
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Themes and Apps] vladtrend:
HI guys,

I have the follwoing problem with my Kaiser. When I start iGO 8, the phone is restarting automatically when GPS is catches satallite signal. I checked throght the forum but there were no such problems so I would appreciate if somebody acan help. I am using wm 6.1 touch flo.

Can anyone advice what might be the problem and the suggestions?

Cheers
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] drgrabez:
Hi friends! and brothers in arms :)

I really NEED your help,and I would know to APPRECIATE it!

Before 2 days I became new proud owner of X7500(my old dream come true:)-change it for previous device Diamond)

These 2 days I have been reading all threads and posts about upgrading,but i am still CONFUSED?!Because upgrading Athena is much more complicate than Diamond or even my old Tytn2?!

This Advantage is second hand device(ex owner sold it my bro,who gave it to me-after i had gave him my 2 months old Diamond...I don't repent),and I do not know its upgrading history.

I see that its

WM6.1

ROM ver. is AP 4.0 Platinum

Radio vers. is 1.50.00.00

and in bootloader mode I get these infos:

ATHE100

IPL-v2.02

ATHE100 MFG

SPL-v3.50.Olinex

My real problem is interpretation of these infos?!

I have an idea to upgrade to new ROM WM6.5 MULTILANG R6.5 RC1 by MiChYPrima, and my main question is :is my Athena SAFE of bricking during standard procedure of upgrading,or I have to do something before that(e.g. hard Spl,or some other prevention of bricking)?

Thanx in advance!

Sory for my English!

Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia!

Drgrabez
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] drgrabez:
Anyone?

Am I right when I think that every needed step before upgrading new ROM is already done(cid unlock,HardSpl..)?

Thanx
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] MXracer:
It seems that you are ready to upgrade to michyprima 6.1 without needing to do anything before. Since you have "SPL-v3.50.Olinex" your device should be ready. Make sure to download the right version and for you is the one which clearly says SPL3.5:

this is the link:

===============LATEST VERSION===============

Download links - R6.5 RC1:

SPL3.5: http://rapidshare.com/files/22128552...1500_MiChY.rar

===============LATEST VERSION===============

You already have a cooked rom (AP 4.0 Platinum) so everything should be working good after.

Sorry for my English too...

Greetings from Greece brother!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] drgrabez:
Thanx MXracer!!!

U R great man!!

I did it!

Everything is working great!

I put Radio rom too, ver.1.58!

Now is time for "fine tuning" of device and software into it!

Thanx again MXracer!

I owe you!!

greetings from Serbia
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] techntrek:
You'll like the radio 1.58. I, and many others, noticed a very large increase in network data speed after that upgrade. A shame that the hardware supported it from the start but HTC has never officially provided an update for Athena owners.

To further explain the "3.50" MX talked about above, essentially there are 2 versions of the "file system" in the Athena. The factory version is "1.20" if I remember correctly. When AP 4 came out (here on xda-developers) those guys changed the file system so there would be more reserved room for the operating system. AP 4 was very large and needed that extra OS room, but of course the downside was less room for additional programs. That is the "3.50" you see in the bootloader. I still use AP 4 because it had so much built-in I've had to install very little extra stuff to work for me.
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] responderman:
SPL 1.20 was the code given once the device was unlocked, can't remember what factory one was. It was all so long ago:rolleyes::D

Jay
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo Upgrading] Tadeusz:
To clarify:

1.2 was developed first to unlock standard X7500/X7501 and be able to work on ROMs for those devices. That ROMs were more or less a developed versions of first WM6 coming from various other devices as well as the original X7500/X7501 ROMs.

Then X7510 was released with WM6.1. The ROM was much bigger in space on the disk. X-DEVs (Mainly Pawel and his TEAM together with Olin and cmonx) have decided to use this ROM as a base for AP4. That is why OlinX group have developed new SPL3.5 which created bigger space for this new ROM. Those two SPLs are not compatible. If a ROM is made for SPL1.2, it shouldn't be installed on SPL3.5, and the opposite. However to switch from SPL1.2 to SPL3.5, you have to first install AP4. It is because AP4 installer has SPL3.5 built in. Actually, this is the only way to switch from SPL1.2 to SPL3.5.

If somebody wants to move back to SPL1.2, no problem. Cmonx has prepared special procedure for that. However one should never try to install ROM made for SPL3.5 on the device with SPL1.2 (unless the new ROM is AP4) or any ROM for SPL1.2 on the device with SPL3.5 installed already.

About Athe versions:

AThe100 is on X7500/X7501 devices. Athe400 is on X7510 devices. Those 2 devices look pretty similar, but in fact have big differences in hardware, and because of that, one should never try to install ROM on one of those devices, which was prepared for the other type. The difference is in storage and hardware keyboard. X7510 has flash 16GB storage, while X7500/X7501 have 8GB hard drive. Those two need different drivers. So if you try to install ROM for X7510 on X7500/X7501, you will loose your 8GB hard drive. If you do the opposite, you will loose your 16GB Flash Disk. Normally it shouldn't be possible because ROM installers should not let you do that, but some users here have managed to do this some how, and they had a problem.

Hope this helps a bit.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
Hey, ive flashed many times before, but today i guess i was just being a little absent minded.

i always follow the flashing directions of the newbie guide, but today was different.

throughout the entire flashing process i never took out my sim and microSDHC card.

is anything detrimental going to happen?

tl;dr: didnt take out SIM or microSDHC card when flashing. Bad?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hilaireg:
Nope ... pretty much always flash with my SIM and SD card present.

That said, it's a good idea to make a backup of your SD Card contents just in case.

As for your contacts in the SIM, they should remain intact.

HTH,
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] outphase:
Some people recommend it, but I have never bothered taking any cards out. The only time I flash w/o any cards is the first flash on a replacement phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WhoIsClu:
thanks guys,

i just wanted to make sure
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] burtcom:
I was having some strange, intermittent problems syncing, and decided to take a close look at the connector on my Kaiser and on the various cables I have. I was surprised to see a lot of variation in the lengths of the pins on the connectors.

On one cable, the mini-USB side had a very short pin -- this was one of the cables that was giving me sync problems. I noticed that if I plugged it in tightly it would connect and sync, but if I moved it slightly the short pin would disconnect and the Activesync would fail.

I inspected all my cables and found several with short pins -- I picked one with nice, long fat pins and syncing and charging has been very stable.

I noticed on the Kaiser connector that one of the pins is slighty longer than the others (I don't remember which one and I don't have my loupe with me now)

Anyone else see this?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] DarkSayaJin:
No shorter pin on my Kaiser but that is true that the cables are variable. Can't get the reason why. To connect my Kaiser to the PC I use the cable from my Canon camera and it works more than fine ;)