[Touch HD General] jim256:
MS employee?

A lot of what you said is extremely opinion based or one - time tested; you seem rather biased toward your choice in order to avoid buyers remorse.

I am just looking at facts at what is best and...that is going to very likely be the new iPhone.

"You started off well there, but lost it at the end, PROVE to me that the new OS is better on the Iphone?"

Don't ask me to PROVE to you about how much it will be better...you can read as well as I. Just go read about it.

Have you heard nothing about OS 3.0? For example, it has cut copy paste. And even if this was the ABSOLUTE only change...that means its better than the old one.

And yeah I have heard 7 is pretty good, and I have enjoyed using it over Vista and such but..again, you seem biased. Heavily. And I know I sound biased against MS but...seriously, that is not an uncommon thing at all. Many many people don't like MS for all the great reasons I listed. They are just straight out a poor performing company, they are being outperformed by others right and left despite the fact that they spend the most $ on R&D and are the largest.

"6. iPhone has better syncing solutions that ActiveSync and Outlook."

quantify please?

- Again, just read for yourself. Don't argue w/ me and expect me to give you every little thing here. If you know nothing about the iPhone then don't tell me how much you know that it can't be better than what you purchased. iTunes can sync absolutely everything absolutely seemlessly. Music, notes, calendar, pictures, contacts, etc...

Active Sync and Outlook completely skip media altogether.

"5. Windows Mobile crashes all the time even fresh after a hard reset, no apps installed, on an official ROM (just like the desktop Windows!)"

I really cant comment, since WM2002 ive not had that on a multitude of different devices. and Windows doesnt do that either, perhaps the common denominator here is the user.

- Here you have just got to be kidding me. It is a known fact that Windows crashes, and not all that unfrequently. At least 8 / 10 honest unbiased Windows users will tell you that. It is known that Vista had well over 6,000 known bugs - that's a lot. Ever seen that Mac / Windows commercial and the lady says "I need a computer with no crashes, viruses, or headaches", and then MS gives up? Seems pretty accurate. Although I have to admit that MS is REALLY impressin me with Seven, which is great news.

""2. Where is the basis that Android sucks?"

You miss the point of an OS here, if nothing good works on an OS NO ONE will use it, its that simple, If i cant use the programs i need then that OS is useless to me, it may have a..."

That is not the point of an OS. Android is brand new. The fact that there aren't as many apps yet means literally aboslutely nothing. I too have used Android pretty extensively on my device, you're not the only one. Apps will come.

3. "android has a "bunch of Hippies" style of following, they are not classy, they are not even that good"

- Gotta admit that you really lost me there.

Ah yes i was refering to Linux and its intresting cult of followers but i retract that statement as it was below the belt.

...Still? I have used Linux a lot and I'm no hippie? I'm sure there are plenty of normal folks that have no part of an "interesting cult of followers".

"Android has a LOT on WM and WM has...virtually nothing on Android"

Really? a LOT is a big statement that i bet you cant quantify with factual information and not hand back subjective reviews and "feelings" about things.

I thought I was talking with someone who also knew what they were talking about here. You can't tell me everytime to quantify this and that, it's got nothing to do with "feelings"...?? At least on my end of things it doesn't. Android has 16 million colors. There's a fact. Android vs WM is more fluid and smooth. You say you have to the two sitting in front of you as I do...try it out.

"It looks ancient,"

The core OS does yes, but tell me, is android not a Shell over a command line? i believe it is, So technically the core OS on android looks crap too but thats just nit picking!

That is VERY nit picking. All OS's are technically like that...the point is that even WM's shell looks like absolute crap. We are comparing user interfaces here...not WM's shell vs linux command line. Windows command line looks the exact same.

WM command line = Android command line

WM UI <<< Android UI

That's what I'm saying. Especially Android 1.5 WM 6.5 just barely coming out still looks absolutely terrible.

WM is slow.

Jim.