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[G1 Accessories] kindanewbie:
I got one of the ebay specials, 2400mah. Not sure who makes is as it does not say on the battery lol. So far I love it. I have a white g1 and the back cover is black, but I think it looks cool. Haven't drained it all the way yet, but even out of the box it has lasted WAY longer then the OEM battery. Can't wait to try it out once its conditioned.

Btw, I only paid 29.99 and it was here in 2 days. No s/h fees. Pretty impressive id say.
[G1 Accessories] Freedomcaller:
look on youtube, somone posted a video of a G1 with a Led added into the case, and its not any bigger....
[G1 Accessories] Freedomcaller:
they should extend the whole thing and fill it all with battery for like 4000mah!
[G1 Accessories] thulinhlun:
http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/bd2-hlcsrtmg1-bk.htm

http://www.seidioonline.com/product-p/bd2-cslmhcsrtmg1-bk.htm

U shud have buy this. It expensive but it the best cases around
[G1 Accessories] axion68:
Innocell 1400mAh Battery

Has anyone tried this battery?

The oem battery cover fits on as well. Might be a viable option for those needing a little more to make it through the day and not willing to add a bulky battery cover.
[G1 Accessories] sino8r:
Screw the giant hump! It's too ugly! I think I will get the 2400mAh one. Does anyone know how long it lasts and takes to charge? And what about a leather case w/ belt clip for it? I doubt my HTC horizontal leather case w/ clip will hold this fat boy....
[G1 Accessories] djind:
Yesterday, I received my 1600 mAH battery from fommy. The site says 1600 mAH, but 1700 mAH on the battery.. We'll see if it's any better.. At least no hump or extra covers..

http://fommy.co.uk/view-full-page.asp?divid=HTC&model=HTC+Dream&cat=Batteries&skuno=81931
[G1 Accessories] axion68:
Isn't the fommy battery in the oem battery case with the oem part number? That is what concerns me, that the battery is just an oem one.
[G1 Accessories] jcostantino:
do you have a link? I couldn't find it on there.
[G1 Accessories] UnkzDomain:
Wow, that's pretty nice. Does I looked at the post and the battery looks like some cheap knockoff, though...

Also, have you put on a bestskinsever or other kind of skin on it? How does it fit?
[G1 Accessories] jonc:
Sorry, have to interject here.

mAh is a measure of energy (current per unit time multiplied by a unit of time) and can be compared like for like across batteries. It's not milliamps per hour.

I think the primary reason for Li-Ion polymer batteries is that they have a fairly stable voltage over their discharge cycle, have a good number of charges/discharges and most importantly can be shaped pretty much as is needed to be placed into a phone.
[G1 Accessories] 13bjunkie:
definitely noticiable change. it took me a few days to get used to it. glad i got the seido case to accompany it. and for times that i have to use the keyboard to type, the extra bulk on the battery cover makes for better grip.

also have the 1700mAH stock size battery for those "gotta be sleek" occations though lol
[G1 Accessories] question.com:
im debating on getting this one or the 2600mah batt. im not a fan of the huge battery. so if this one last the day, ill pick it up. so has anyone purchased this?
[G1 Accessories] Meltus:
cheers for that :D i get it now.

still don't know why the G1 decided to go with such a poor battery though, surely they could have used the same technology but made a better battery of the same size? or is it the way the G1 handles the power? i mean, the iphone uses a 1400 mAh 3.7V, which isn't much better than the G1's but can last much longer; nearly a fkin week on standby =/
[G1 Accessories] Beast84:
I've had this battery almost as long as I've had my g1 (back in november) & I love it! Way better than the standard battery that comes with the phone. I definately recommend it
[G1 Accessories] mack:
what battery are you taking about?
[G1 Accessories] Beast84:
The Innocell 1400mAh battery...
[G1 Accessories] birkholze:
i got that battery a few weeks ago and also received 1700 instead of 1600. it actually seemed that i was getting less battery life from the 1700 than the stock battery so i sent it back and am waiting on a replacement.
[G1 Accessories] parmenti:
I bought it as well. Still breaking it in. I let everyone know what I think, although for some reason I don't feel to promising about it. We'll see
[G1 Accessories] question.com:
cant wait for all the reviews. i dont want to have to buy a few batterys.
[G1 Accessories] question.com:
i got mine a few weeks ago. love it. def worth the price
[G1 Accessories] -RotorDemon-:
What we really need is some LiPo batteries. However you would need a special charger for them and we could see some people getting pissed because they charged them on something else and wondered why the phone caught fire LOL.
[G1 Accessories] MoridinBG:
That is not exactly right. mAh is exactly miliamps per hour. 2000mAh means that you can drain 2000mA (2A) for one hour. Or 1000mA for two hours.

Also. the G1 battery charges up far more quickly than the NiMh rechargable batteries, that need 12 or 14 hours.
[G1 Accessories] oreoOozZz:
It doesnt even look like much of a difference with the extended battery, its probably the same size as having a clear plastic case on. Its just a shame that it wont fit anymore once i put the extended battery/cover on because i love my plastic clear case. Oh well, id rather have battery life, im sure they will come out with a case eventually to suit the needs of the extended battery/cover. I just ordered my 2600mAH extended battery now, ill also give a full review as soon as it gets here. I have two phones currently, a nextel i880 and a G1 but pretty soon im cancelling the nextel and im only going to have the G1 so i cant have the phone dying on me as it only usually last 3/4 of the day and i rarely use phone or text on it, i usually only stay logged onto AIM and a lil web browsing. If you can, can you take more shots of the phone with the cover on and with the cover off? TIA.
[G1 Accessories] Kainous:
It does feel a bit odd when you first hold it. But yes I agree it does have a very nice touch and comforting feeling when you use the keyboard.

I've been using it for for almost 30 hours after my last full charge.

I've went out and called a lot of people, sent a lot of text messages, Used GPS, Used Wi-fi, I have autosync on for Gmail, contacts, and calendar, And I kept trying to use my phone as much as possible to test it out.

The Battery is at 78% after all that use.

I am very very impressed with the battery life now.

The extra thickness will feel thicker than how it looks on the photos.

But I really like it for typing with the keyboard.

The only downside is that the back cover is shaped slightly different than the

original one. And I don't know if my unique skin will fit on it properly..

I will try that when my skin arrives and post a picture too
[G1 Accessories] flip0406:
what about white g1's???
[G1 Accessories] bulletproof77:
extended battery imo.

i can testify as well i strongly suggest the battery considering its the biggest drawback to such an excellent phone. i prefer the cut out case instead

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[G1 Accessories] bulletproof77:
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[G1 Accessories] bulletproof77:
image (i swear this time)

sorry guys im half sleep here they are
[G1 Accessories] Misty Blue:
I just got mine yesterday. The battery literally turns the phone into a brick. I never felt my pockets so weighted...and being that I'm a petite person, I can't really use one hand for certain things anymore (2nd biggest reason I hate the iPhone). I'm conditioning the battery right now and I'm sure I'll be happy with my increased useage amount, just wish it wasn't such a burden of a change.

Also, I have a white G1 and got mine from www.fommy.com

My skin from www.decalgirl.com doesn't fit on the back. The edges are warped and bent over. No biggie. As long as the front still looks good.
[G1 Accessories] jcostantino:
Can we get a shot of the inside of the battery case? I've been considering buying an extended battery and adding a LED flash with the space left over in the case - if there is much left over.

BTW: Nice Surge... I upgraded my Old Wave to the Surge but I HATE the leather case it comes with. The case rides too high and digs into my hip, is ugly, and doesn't come in brown. I'm considering making my own to hopefully fix these shortcomings.
[G1 Accessories] 13bjunkie:
+1

i have the seido case for the extended battery and the case that fits for their snap-on shell. they both definitely give you ample space.
[G1 Accessories] borodin1:
I second that, it would worth at least $100 to me.
[G1 Accessories] roguestatuskat:
word

that would be dope as ****
[G1 Accessories] jonc:
Your calculations are correct. mA _multiplied_ by unit time. 2000mAh = 2000mA * 1hour = 1000mA * 2hours.

milliamps per hour (or mA/h) would be rate of flow of charge per unit time, like acceleration is rate of change of velocity per unit time.

milliamp hours (or mAh) is the rate of rate of flow of charge, multiplied by a unit of time, like distance is rate of change of position (velocity) multiplied by time.
[G1 Accessories] MoridinBG:
Please, I have passed my SATs :D
[G1 Accessories] androidmonkey:
So who is better Transcend or Adata?

Currently the Transcend is $17.49 and the Adata is $15.99. I don't need a SD adapter.
[G1 Accessories] bigballa:
this dude loves it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQeyga3hn4Q

this dude loves the mugen battery
[G1 Accessories] QwertyAccess:
I ordered one myself since it has the highest good ratings out of any other Micro SDHC

The transcend 8gb description interestingly had this:

Built-in Error Correcting Code (ECC) to detect and correct transfer errors.

Can anyone elaborate?
[G1 Accessories] androidmonkey:
I believe that all modern storage devices have built in ECC.

I ended up ordering a Adata for $15.99. Both Adata and Transcend are made in Taiwan, so the quality is probably equal. I usually buy Kingston (Japan) but they don't make a 8GB Class 6...weird...
[G1 Accessories] shivers316:
I have the Adata with apps to sd. Everything is good for me.
[G1 Accessories] Ihaveandroid:
price is pretty good ;) I'll order it asap
[G1 Accessories] lucky 69:
order mine last night to hope its good let ya know when i get it
[G1 Accessories] Rickster08:
question..if i order a new microcard to replace my current one in the g1...do i have to transfer all my root files to the new one to continue with my root on my phone??
[G1 Accessories] Smokuevo:
if u didnt move any apps or data then u dont.. just copy whatever u had on it ringtones any caches you might have moved.

also i have adata now for those who posted. it says turbo on it lol and says file transfer 9-15 mb.

i had a problem with the other one transcend ... a lot of wipes a lot of nfs file handles. havent moved my data/data on the adata yet but idk
[G1 Accessories] oreoOozZz:
Just got mine, put it in out of the box, let it die completely and its been on the charger now with the phone off charging since 5PM, its now 10:48PM. I guess the initial charge takes awhile? Either way im gonna leave it overnight and just use the phone tomorrow. Will keep you guys updated.
[G1 Accessories] dwang:
I have the extended hump battery and it basically makes the phone huge. I can't use that thing daily.

What I do is just carry a spare battery in my back pocket. Usually my g1 can last the entire day since I'm usually near a laptop or in my car, so the spare is just a backup.
[G1 Accessories] xtrip0dx:
I should expect my 2600 to arrive from amazon sometime within 7 days... Its silly how excited i am to try it out!:p
[G1 Accessories] AroundTheWorld:
I just got it yesterday and it is beautifull... I loaded it with all the songs i currently have on my laptop (roughly 200) and 2 full length movies and still have a bunch of space. I'm happy now. :)
[G1 Accessories] 85Mario85:
i use the 2300.. 12.99 one and ive never been happier1!!! the battery last soo much more than regular and also the bump in the back isnt that big and you get used to it. trust me i text like every 5 seconds lol i got used to it
[G1 Accessories] UnkzDomain:
The thing is, i dont care about the hump that much...

The only reason why I'm leaning to the other one is that those invisible shield things will fit on those (I think) without having to be cut up.
[G1 Accessories] hbguy:
Just a genius thought:

I'd get the first one and get a different back cover, essentially its the same battery, just a different back :). Watch and amke sure to factor in shipping thought. Oldest trick in the book to secretly compensate for a lower bid price :)

Happy Hunting.

hbguy
[G1 Accessories] UnkzDomain:
That's a good idea! I never thought of that...

If you can, can you link to an extended battery back cover for the G1 with the all-raised style? I haven't been able to find one for a cheap price...

Thanks!
[G1 Accessories] bommel0815:
FYI I now use a cheap € 10,- chinese 2300 mAh battery for the G1.

It comes with its own back cover with a bump.

For now I am very satisfied and it lasts more than twice as long as the original
[G1 Accessories] bassbox:
signed. same for me.
[G1 Accessories] roguestatuskat:
it is a ****load smaller so you could get a 3000mah battery for the same size
[G1 Accessories] topdnbass:
I too got one a while ago for 13 =).

It sure is a beaut.

Havent had a single issue yet. Super fast too.
[G1 Accessories] chrisrj28:
I got this a transcend a few days ago and have my apps & data on my SD and I must say it works wonderfully. When I was using a Sandisk standard 4gb I had a little bit of lag with some apps but now there is no prob. Glad I ordered it
[G1 Accessories] t1n0m3n:
Then we could be on a sitcom and be cool.
[G1 Accessories] agee:
Do you guys know if that horizontal case has a magnet in the flap? I'm a bit paranoid about having a magnet mess up the internal compass.

thanks in advance
[G1 Accessories] Linuxslate:
So what is the consequence to us 'Droid pushers if we have a slow card?

Playing movies, etc. require good speed of data throughput, but it should just be reading. AFAIK, class rating does not refer to read speed.

I can see it taking a few sec's to write a 3.2mp photo taken from the camera to the card, but the camera has no video or rapid shoot capability so who cares?.

If we connect via USB, or put the card in a card reader, it may take longer to write large files - i.e. movies. But when are we ever writing enough data to the card from the actual phone for this to make a difference?

I have a cheap 4G Lexar (only class 2) that I bought a while back at Walmart for my Motorola ZN5. When I got my ADP 1, I swapped cards. The speed seems fine for me.
[G1 Accessories] he3r0:
blah, i cant make my 4GB card work :(

have the same message..

and card stopped working in my pc as well...

it happened also on my old G1 with other 4GB card (different brand though)

what`s the reason?

bad luck i guess...
[G1 Accessories] down8:
Compassshould be protected from simple magnets on a case.

I have a cheap-o one I got for $8 (incl. wall + car chargers) for $8.06 shipped. It fits with the had shell from T-Mo store on. A littel tight, but it fits.

-bZj
[G1 Accessories] anddep:
don't buy luxmo cases it didn't last a week for me.. i wear it at work, alot of physical work.. anyways it had a magnet in it and it did not mess up my compass

those are some expensive case guys.. i might just go grab one from Tmo store..
[G1 Accessories] pnagster:
just came in the mail

the difference is night and day for me. the shape does bother me a little bit, but the difference in battery life is unremarkable. this is now the phone i wish i had bought in the first place... haha.
[G1 Accessories] oreoOozZz:
Ive got to say, im really not that impressed with the extended battery life of this phone. GPS disabled, Wifi Disabled, Screen at 50% brightness, only 3G on, it lasts a total of 14 hours. Thats usually with only Hello AIM signed on and miscellaneous text message use throughout the day as i dont use the phone as my primary phone so no phone calls. I was expecting a signifigant amount more since this battery is HUGE, it literally turns the phone into a brick, all my friends are laughing at me lol. If i leave Edge on, turn the brightness down to 30% and turn off Autosync, the battery will last a day and a half, maybe 2 tops with slight usage. I mean its not that bad but i expected more...ive only had the battery about 6 days or 7 days now but how much longer do i have to condition it for in order to get the full potential if its still in the conditioning stages??? As soon as i got the battery out of the package, i put it in the phone, let it die then left the phone to charge overnight. The past 6 or 7 days, ive let the phone completey die out then turn it off and fully charge it before i turn it on or use it again and i never disconnected it in the middle of a charge. I also have never charged it while i was running down the battery during the day, no USB, no car charger, nothing, just let it completely run and die out.
[G1 Accessories] dwang:
14 hours or so seems about right. With the stock I get about 5 to 6 hours of continuous use (using power manager). So 14 hours is more than double. Not sure how much more you are expecting. I personally just carry a spare. The extended is too massive.
[G1 Accessories] Zonk76:
and, what is your experience with the new battery?
[G1 Accessories] mannyb:
An update on the performance of the Innocell 1400 mAh battery would be nice.
[G1 Accessories] jsapp:
I get a couple extra hours out of the 1400. Still don't make it a full day, but it is better than the oem, a little.
[G1 Accessories] jsapp:
I got one of the 2300 as well. I prefer the thicker back without the hump and bought the back like that too (that was made for the 2400 battery on there I think) but that back didn't quite fit. It felt like it was getting pushed out. The battery I got was great as far as battery life, made it through a full day, but found that my pnone was shutting off randomly with it. I tried putting tape on the inside of the door but no luck and went back to the 1400. Wish I didn't have the issues as I loved only charging at night
[G1 Accessories] :
I get much better than this with the supplied standard battery
[G1 Accessories] MrADeveci:
Sorry but that cover looks awful!
[G1 Accessories] forceshield:
Because a battery that cost more than the phone is useful
[G1 Accessories] Droshi:
If you're talking about this technology: http://www.excellatron.com/advantage.htm

...it still has a way to go. Sure it has it's applications, but at 0.1-10 mAh I would doubt it's in a phone like this.

It's basically a capacitor, and of course capacitors store charge and can be near instantly charged and discharged. The problem is safely holding enough charge for something like this as a pure power source isn't going to happen in my opinion. I would say it's probably used more to provide extra charge on quick current variations in supplement to a main power source, or on something with a very small current draw that has to fit in a very flat package (flatter than a button battery).

Also just making the capacitor "thicker" won't magically make it into a 3000 mAh battery. The nice thing about Lithium-Ion is that it is pretty mouldable to almost any shape and the mass pretty much determines how much charge it will hold. However on a capacitor increasing the distance between capacitor plates without increasing the area stores less charge.
[G1 Accessories] Droshi:
The 1400 mAh battery I have heard is a bit bigger than the stock battery, but still fits in the regular housing. The supposed 1600/1700 mAh battery is however about the same size as the stock battery. And although older Li-Ion polymer batteries had an inferior technology, these days most likely they are all made from the same polymer. What does that mean? That basically the same sized Li-Ion battery is going to give you the same mAh output if the rating is properly done.

Stored energy in this form is a function of mass and not some secret ultra formula or hammers that somehow compact a bigger battery into a small case. The best you could hope for is something with a much thinner case design that takes up every inch of the available space. To me 1400mAh sounds reasonable for the size to work with, and the list price ($40) seems reasonable too if you consider the engineering it would take to do that. 1600/1700 mAh sounds like a straight up lie that takes advantage of ignorant people. Buy at your own risk IMO.

Personally I can't stand huge batteries, so I'll probably get a dual pack of the cheap 1150 mAh batteries that comes with a charger all for around $20 on ebay. Keep one battery at home, one at the office and a charger at each place. Just check battery life before leaving either, and if I plan to not be home for more than 24h I can probably plan for it and bring extra batteries and chargers. Hell another $10 to get 2 more batteries, or another $20 that gets 2 batteries and a charger to leave at a 3rd location.
[G1 Accessories] tehseano:
Alright well I bought this battery a month ago or so (btw I only paid $18 with shipping from an ebay store), but I have been noticing that my battery life with it is dropping dramatically recently. When I first got it, (and I did power cycle it) I got a good 36 hours out of is with everything on. Now, I'm finding myself to be lucky with 12 hours, I feel like I'm on the standard battery. I took it off the charger today around 3:30pm, its not 5:30pm and I'm already at 75%, so at this rate 8 hours is about a full charge. Anyone else experiencing this?
[G1 Accessories] Droshi:
I'm not sure how the energy management is done for this phone, but I would imagine it is done somewhere in the hardware. A good read on Li-Ion polymer batteries is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-polymer

To skip the boring parts, basically when charging the battery can have no more than 4.235V supplied to it or it will burst into flames (easy to control, just make sure your charger isn't anything crazy). But also the load must be immediately removed if the voltage drops below 3V or it won't be able to be fully recharged again. Maybe this means this battery's voltage is dropping off faster than the stock battery for some reason? Maybe the built in hardware isn't cutting the battery off at the right voltage for a different reason?

The other thing is that maybe software could help to calculate the real battery cut-off point (just before it hits 3V) and to somehow offer a quick backup to SD card of anything in RAM and then completely cutting the power to avoid battery damage. With a reboot protocol that checks if an emergency power down happened and then to restore RAM from the SD card when a new battery is put in. Also there's a good chance that some minor detail or variable has to be changed in calculations like this if the battery size is changed. Since Google probably assumed a 1150 mAh battery for every phone, if they already did this it's probably hard coded somewhere, but maybe not. Just hope it isn't embedded in the hardware as well.

Who knows, maybe all this happens already and tries to compensate for a larger batter, I'm not really a programmer so I haven't looked into the android OS details and if decisions like this are actually possible at the OS level or if they are embedded further down in the hardware level. There's a lot to consider when designing a phone as well as the software that runs it, and something like planning for after market batteries might be the last on the to-do lists.

I would suggest if you start getting symptoms like that to be very careful with running all the way to empty battery and to stop just a tad early and recharge. Goodluck.
[G1 Accessories] kingblind:
seidio 1400mAh Battery

I bought the Seidio 1400mAh battery.. It's pretty good.. MUCH better than stock.. I would say it's a 15 to 20% improvement over stock.

I would still like to have more juice.. I just don't want the extra bulk.

oh, it's also the same size as the stock battery..