yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Found one that looks great - http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=391598
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I used that one on one of my unreleased ROMs. It was great, especially if you used MortButtons with it as it gave you a visual UI. But it had too many options for a base ROM so I decided to go with something simpler.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Psychosax:
My phone is hardspled, and I have the rom on my 2GB sd card, but when I go into the bootloader, it just shows the red/green/blue screen with the IPL and SPL info. I tried renaming the rom to HERAIMG.nbh and it still didn't show up. Now I'm stuck with a phone that just shows CanonYang over and over again. What did I do wrong?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
You didn't format your SD card, did you?

SD Card MUST be in FAT32 for flashing to work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Psychosax:
I'm pretty sure it is formatted; I used it to install TouchIT a while back... However, it would be nice if the guides for this were a bit more thorough and didn't lack such important information.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hogindas:
hey, jsut to make sure u have ur card formatted, connect you phone to ur computer, via usb. then right click on storage card and select properties, make sure it says, FAT32, cause if its not then you cannot flash through your sd card!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I wrote a whole walkthrough on how to flash through SD. If you can't flash through SD, just flash using Flash Center and don't use the LZX version.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
yep, Ivan's guide included that, and it was very thorough. if you cant figure it out after all of that, then just dont use LZX.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
is there a possibility to change the size of the "X" with your rom?

i mean the "X" you use to close programs. i sometimes have trouble hitting it with my fingers, so the option to make it larger would be great.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Not without you installing a third party program that has it's own "x".
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
thanks for the quick reply.

i guess ill just have to live with the small X then ;)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
You have a huge button on your phone. Right next to the "End" button.

I doubt you could increase the size of the on-screen button. That would require the entire taskbar's size to be increased.

Just use your physical button, it's wayy easier.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
I've got a german herald, not a wing. ive only got an OK button and a windows button. but the OK button doesnt close the program it just minimizes it. also the "hang up" button minimizes the program...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Well neither does the on-screen X button. You know that, right? It just minimizes too. That's how WinMo is.

The T-Mobile Wing only has an OK button, too, but it does the same thing as clicking on-screen.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
the on screen X button only minimizes? really?

i dont think so. when i click on X the program completely closes and if i look in taskmanager it isnt on any more.

so i think there definately is a difference between pressing X onscreen and minimizing.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Nope, it only minimizes. You can configure it to close the app, however.

And sometimes, it'll actually close the program, depending on how much RAM your phone has left, I think.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
then mine seems to be configured to close the app. but i never touched settings for that so it seems to come that way from start.

just tested it again. opened up task manager, then FileExplorer. fileExplorer showed as active in Taskmanager, then i switched back to file explorer and closed it via X and it was nowhere to be seen in taskmanager. (also not in the processes window)

no matter what program i open it completely closes when i click on "X"

i find this far more usefull, if all programs only minimized memory would be full pretty damn quickly wouldnt it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Well then Ivan set up JustStable to close automatically, since you can minimize using the top bar, like on a real Windows desktop.

You can change settings in Start -> Settings -> System -> Task Manager, and then on the Button tab. See if it's already set to end programs.

But yea, it seems like the physical button only minimizes. I bet someone wrote an app to make it close, maybe.

And it's not a problem having programs minimized. Not at all. If the phone is running low on RAM, then it just closes inactive programs. Not a problem at all.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
By default, the button does what windows does, minimize. I set it up so that QuickMenu or another program (I forget which) closes it instead.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
alright :D thats one mystery solved then ;)

im off to bed now, will look around the forum tomorrow and try and find some app to make the OK button close apps

good night and thx for the help
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Which of the final versions of JustStable worked best?

Hey ace, you would know this, since I know Ivan is off in Android land.

About 6-8 weeks ago I settled on a JustStable public release so that I could then go about customizing my phone, and shoot some videos of various configurations, usages of various apps. But now I am ready to install whatever the last version of JustStable you recommend, then go through the pain of reinstalling everything.

While I was off doing my thing, I stopped monitoring the details of this thread. But I recall one or two things from email notifications that were noted as "not as good as in version xx" ...

So, if I go to, eh-HEHM, www.JustIvan.com , which JustStable is the last that everyone was happy with?

Also, I am assuming it is still true that Ivan's "JustHome" versions, though great and stable, do not provide as much free space as JustStable, so as to handle my multi-tasking needs:

always open: iContact, OperaMini, Nitrogen Audio Player, notes... adding Google Maps, audio notes, Total COmmander etc.

I ask because, whenever I am at this stage, whatever new I flash to I am committing to for a while, until the day I learn to preserve and restore all settings easily (i.e. use Sashimi, which still is too complicated for me)

thx!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Here's all the versions.

I recommend the V2 Build 6 release. I tried the latest (V2 Build 8) and I had lots of problems for some reason. It was slow (as hell) and things just didn't work for me! It seemed like I was the only one getting that, though.

So, I say go with Build 6: http://thewingster.com/juststable06052009.aspx

But, the newer build might work better for you. Idk. Hope it helps!

Oh, and, "Everyone". Lol. I don't think Everyone is such a big group anymore. Hahaa.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
HTC Task Manager

Follow the instructions there. Once installed, you can go to your Settings, and then I think it's System. Then there's a Task Manager icon or something like that. You can go over a few tabs in that settings page and decide if you wanna close programs by tapping and holding or just tapping. Got it?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
I'm running the "ASerg.12.WM61E.WWE" ROM and have to reflash the ROM to my phone. Does "JustStable V2 - Build 4" run as smooth as the A.Serg.12? If so, I'll flash this new ROM.. if there are still kinks to work out on this newer ROM, I'll stick with what I have now.

Thanks.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
JustStable will be better. I'm not sure what ROM ur using now, but it sounds ancient.

For more info on JustStable: http://thewingster.com/juststable.aspx

You can read the specs there and then make an educated decision for yourself! I bet you'll like it more.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
adam, adding my 2 cents:

Ivan has a reputation similiar to Aserg's -- impeccable, best of breed.

Ivan started this project in February of this year, and he was insistent upon making it the best WING/HERALD ROM ever... He had made barebone minimal ROMS before, but his intent this time was to select carefully the absolute "must have" apps, and nothing more -- enabling people to add whatever they want later as cabs.

As he developed, he had tons of user feedback.

It spent months in BETA, before Ivan released it to alpha.

By the time he had a public release, it was June. This ROM is as good as it gets for multi-tasking on a WING with its older processor and limited RAM.

Here is my latest video showing some facets of this ROM in action, including running two audio players at same time, along with google maps, iContact, iFonz app launcher, and several other apps. It's quite an amazing achievement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSKCnWUoic

And rarely do I say something this ridiculous, but I will in this case: YOU WOULD BE A NUTJOB to not flash this rom immediately! And just so you know, it's been asked and answered numerous times. As of right now, the 6.5 ROMS, as great as they are, are not as efficient as THIS rom (windows 6.1). This one is faster and leaves you more ram. period.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
So the ROM you are talking about is the "JustStableV2Build4-Wing.7z" file in the JustROMs download list, right?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
this one was the latest build

JustStableV2-Build8-Wing.7z4903780407-04-2009 00:20:16

you can get to his ROM list by going to http://JustIvan.com

fyi, the menu colors on the video were changes I made after I installed. that's all that would be different from video.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
For a better, more human ROM's list: http://thewingster.com/ivanmmj.aspx

For JustStable archives: http://thewingster.com/juststablearchives.aspx

You'll actually get details and info there! But the download links are hosted by QuickSite's website (except some archives, which are stored on Windows Live).

Well I thought quicksite hosted the ROM's, guess not. Whatever. Doesn't matter to you.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Wingster cracks me up... doing a little competitive advertising for various ways to arrive at Ivan's ROMS, hah hah. Just to clarify, i don't host ivan's Roms... I just point at domain/URL to that page at JustKitchens.info .

Now the guy asking to download the ROM will be throroughly confused and now give up on running Ivan's rom.

but truly, you've done a great job with The Wingster site, it's a great & growing resource... and i don't plan to buy a new phone for aother year, so i am very appreciative of what you've done.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] diablolightning:
Im running this ROM and my backlight stays on constantly. I have changed the setting and it has had no effect on it. soft reset and even hard reset and same deal. Is ther a cab. or something to fix it? :confused:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
That's not the ROM's fault. Maybe it was a bad flash, but you're the only one that got that problem.

Please don't start a new "help!!!" thread. If someone could help u, they'd answer here.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
Do you have to hard-spl the phone before flashing this ROM?

Thanks,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
No. The Wingster has some instructions for how to flash. (there's a link on that page)

http://thewingster.com/juststable.aspx

Got it?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Ace, your writeups are great, and very helpful. ... And yet I did not know until you say so above that you can flash & run Ivan's roms without having Hard-SPL'd your phone. Since I have already hard-spl'd a year ago, this is not an issue for me. But I would like to make a suggestion:

Given that most people don't (I SURELY DIDN'T) have any idea what Hard-SPL is, yet they then see it being mentioned all over the various forums as an important precaution or necessary step to run certain ROMs, I think it would be helpful in your write-ups re REQUIREMENTS FOR FLASHING, to explicitly state:

DOES NOT REQUIRE Hard SPL to use this ROM

It takes any quandary out of the equation and makes it bullet-proof clear that either YES, you must Hard SPL, or NO, you do not need to hard SPL. because most people have no idea, at the start, what Flash Center is, or what RUU is, or all these other esoteric things.

You're already overworked as is, and I really value the website you have created and are updating... At some point in the future it would be nice to have someone develop an icon system that quickly communicates requirements for flashing any given ROM, with one such icon representing: Hard-SPL YES, Hard-SPL Not Necessary.

my 2 cents and a half.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
I do somewhat explain that, in the "Features" list of every ROM. If you look on the LZX ROM's, you'll notice that there's no "How to Flash" link! That implies that you should research it yourself on how to flash that version, because it requires HardSPL, flashing through SD, etc.

But on any ROM's that have the "How to Flash" link, there's not really any pre-requisites, except for having a SPL and IPL greater than 4, which I think all T-Mobile phones have that. So when you click on that link, it is implied that you don't have to do any extra stuff like HardSPL.

I never wrote instructions on flashing the LZX versions, because that would require me to explain how to HardSPL the phone, and I didn't wanna bother with that!

But if I have time, I might write up a nice guide on HardSPL, flashing through SD, etc, so that the LZX ROM's get a How to Flash link.

So quicksite, you're using JustStable still, aren't you? Me and another user found that Build 8 was highly unstable. Are you using that build?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
So is the final version of JustStable is completely stable, vs. the unstability of JustStable V2, which is still having the kinks worked out? I'm currently running the ASerg.12.W61E.WWE ROM, which although old, is extremely stable. For anyone familiar with ASerg ROM, is JustStable (the first version) as stable of a ROM as the ASerg ROM?

Also, if you Hard Spl your phone once, does it stay with the phone, or do you have to run the Hard Spl procedure each time you flash a ROM?

Thanks,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I stopped working on JustStable V2 a while ago. I think Build 4 was the last "stable" release. JustStable V1 is very stable. JustStable V2 is nicer and still pretty stable until I got to the newer builds...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
Are you familiar with the ASerg.12.w61 ROM? That one is very stable. He stop making ROMs for Wings after this ROM, so it is pretty archaic. In your opinion, which one of these two ROMS, Juststable V1, or JustStable V2 build 4, will give me less problems?

Thanks alot,

-Adam
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I have only used my ROMs, since I'm a ROM cook. But from what I hear, it's pretty stable. I don't know which one will give you the least problems, since V2 was meant as an updated V1. The best thing to do for ANYONE is to TRY it and see if you like it and if it's stable for what YOU use. (Everyone has different needs.) That said, keep within build 4-6 with V2, the later builds became a little unstable.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
Hi ivan

how can i change the language that fingerkeyboard uses?

ive been trying to find the folder its installed to but i cant...

thx!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
You have to download the full fingerkeyboard. To save space on this ROM, I stripped out everything BUT english.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] stefano2626:
hy

Stefano, please search first before asking these questions. This is not the elf thread, this is the Herald thread. If you search or even just READ through the elf thread, you'll know that these questions have been answered a long time ago. As for an existing GoldCard, that would only happen if you buy the whole SD card that contains the GoldCard.

This is your first warning to search and post in the proper forum.

-ivanmmj
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Unfortunately, it sounds like you've thoroughly troubleshooted the issue to its extent. There is no way around that. It's strange that a simple keyboard would cause it to not boot up, though. Have you talked to someone about making a good sashimi setup, yet? That would really alleviate this issue in the future. You have one of the most customized setups for anyone I know and are a prime candidate for sashimi.

That said, in order to use a skin for it, don't install a cab that attemps to overwrite or duplicate the keyboard. You must just place the skin files themselves in the correct directory. Later on today, when I'm near my laptop, I'll look at the layout that I used in JustStable and let you know what that directory layout is.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
A question about copying/replacing Registry entries as a form of settings backup?

Thanks very much Ivan. It's much better to hear "there's nothing more you can do" than for me to wonder... so it's really helpful to get the reply.

Sashimi: I have not yet found someone who will do this, and I am ready to pay someone. Bizarre. Right before I updated to your final version of JustStable, you and I exchanged mail about that, and I did two things:

(1) Posted an "ad" to the Sashimi website forums themselves, and

(2) Posted a question to Flar & admins at XDA asking if the rules of this site permit me to post an "ad" to pay someone to do this. Flar replied that this is fine, and to do so in the Marketplace forum. But just due to the admins' normal busyness, it took several days to get the reply/approval.

And by that time I had not gotten a single reply at Sashimi site, so i figured i might as well write down as much info as I could and just flash as usual, since waiting around was just as ridiculous...

I did, at one point, during my recent series of new UI customizations for readability improvement, go thru each change and document with a screen shot, but it was a version that I ended up drastically chnaging after I'd tested contrast readability. My bad for not doing a more recent "manual" documentation.

BUT THAT RAISES AN IMPT QUESTION FOR ME:

I am less concerned, when I flash to a new rom, about reinstalling apps.. annoying, but less problematic, because I always have backup of my settings files within the program folders of these apps.

But SYSTEM FONT and UI REGISTRY CHANGES? If I save a copy of whole registry folder to Storage Card, using Total Commander, can I later use that dataset to copy & paste specific selective folders into the new Registry after I flash to new rom? Or the data files within a specific folder, ie "SYSTEM FONT" ?

If not, why not, I'm just curious. Thank you.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I'm with a customer at the moment, so I haven't been able to read the whole post, but I did glance over one thing. Android is no longer slow. I could never go back to Windows Mobile after using it. The interface is standard across the border and so much easier to use than my old wing.

As far as system font and ui registry changes, you CAN easily bring that with you, as long as you know where to place the files and registry settings, I don't see any problems with installing them that way.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
And here's my quick glance...

T-Mobile didn't have a "choice" of what operating system to use. MS hasn't even released WM6.5!!!! They had to choose WM6.1.

That's why HTC and Microsoft said, later on in the year, when WM6.5 is released, the phones that are compatible will recieve the updates, and those will be the Touch Pro 2 and the Diamond 2.

So, T-Mobile put on the latest and greatest that they legally could. If they put on an unreleased version of WM6.5, then I'm not sure how much Microsoft would like them!

"And this choice is heavily criticized in many review sites like Endgadget, Gizmodo, and a host of others."​

I guess Engadget and Gizmodo are just dummies then! I can't believe they'd write a review with false info. Shame on them.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Thanks, Ace, that makes perfect sense -- and you're right, now that I've read your post, those sites really missed the boat on that issue. So I see, Windows is looking to make the big splash with their rebranding of "Windows Phone", releasing all those phones later in October-November shipping with 6.5 as part of the sell-job of "Look at us! We're new & competitive again!" ... And T-Mobile wanted to release their phone during the Back To School huge selling window, thus 6.1 ....
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Re: Copy & Paste various Registry items to overwrite values installed in Hard Reset

Thanks - so just to clarify re "bring that with you": You're saying that YES, I can hard reset, returning to JustStable's defaults, and then I can copy & paste various select folders from my Registry backup copy, paste them into the device's Registryu, into their correct locations, and this will overwrite the default values and accept the "pasted" files?

If so, this saves me immense headache. I want to make sure we're talking the same thing. I am NOT talking about using OPHM Registry and exporting a registry backup, then later using that utility to import/restore a registry.

I am talking of everyday copy & paste of files and folders. please advise.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] aNiMeMaN14:
Is there any way to keep JustStable to NOT close out of programs on its own when I get low on RAM? I find it a bit frustrating when I'm mid-convo on Slick (AIM messenger), and I leave my phone for a few minutes, only to come back to it having closed out of all my most RAM-intensive programs.

Somebody halp plz!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
If it didn't close the app, then the phone would probably crash, due to low RAM, lol.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
When installing JustStableV2-Build8-Wing from the storage card, do you still rename the file HERAIMG.nbh? or is it WINGIMG.nbh?

Also, is build 8 the most stable version, or is it build 4?

Thanks,

-Adam
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
HERAIMG.nbh

And Build 4 is the best.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
I got Opera Mini to work. For some reason 4.2 doesn't work, but 4.1 does. Now onto my questions.. first one is how do I make it so the phone doesn't vibrate everytime i touch the screen? second one, does anyone have a link for a free unzip app; this rom is void of one?

thanks,

-adam
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
In the settings. There is a menu item for it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Office Mobile has an UnZipper in it. And it's free, but you've gotta install the whole Office suite, you know.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
got a few questions. thanks.

Please help me on this one guys! In messaging, for SMS Inbox.. in that inbox window, how do you change the left softkey from Reply to Delete?

is omapclock.. still considered the best overclocking software? what speed have you all had the best luck with? Also, how do you edit the Menu, right softkey? When you go to Menu->New, you're first choice is Voice Mail.. How do you change that to email?

Also, does anyone notice that when Reminder Pop-ups and messaging lags?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
I want to change Button 4 (Hold) back to it's default function, the voice recorder in the notes application. When I go to Settings->Buttons, I can't find the voice recorder option in the "Assign a Program" drop down menu. Please help!

Thanks,

-Adam
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adam79:
In the today menu settings, is there a way to "Move Up" a selection above HTC Home?

Thanks,

-Adam
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I made this ROM months ago, so I don't remember, but by default, the HTC Home's location is fixed. There is a way to disable that and force the location to be flexible.

HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Today\Items\HTC Home

Change "Type" from 5 to 4