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[myTouch 3G, Magic General] nmesisca:
mainboard

Regarding the mainboard, there is basically no difference between the MSM7200A and MSM7201A. The renaming is due to the patent infringement suit between Qualcomm and Broadcom in the US.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] live_in_the_sky06:
any ideas on when the HTC verison will be released unlocked to the US?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] MontAlbert:
same thing here in Australia- HTC australia website- http://www.htc.com/au/product.aspx

have 2 different versions of the magic... not sure why anyone would want to go for the voda.... its inferior to the HTC.... why would voda do this instead of just rebadging the HTC version?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
MSM7200A (the mainboard in HTC Magic) uses 90nm technology, while MSM7201A (the one in Vodafone Magic) uses more advanced 65nm. Potentially this can lead to less power consumption on the latter device.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ma3a20:
What would the significance of this be? Care to take a guess at how much battery life it would add?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
No idea, really. It just seemed logical to me. Also, additionaly RAM can potentially drain more power.

And considering how Android handles multitasking, excessive amount of RAM is not necessary (when you switch from one application to another, the first one is actually closed and it's state is saved. When you switch back to it, it is being launched again restoring last saved state. Of course it doesn't apply to top layer applications such as IM which stay resident in memory all the time - this is how Google answered the "why can't we close/exit apps question which arose end of last year)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ma3a20:
Yea I remember Google saying that as well; there is no need to close apps. I still think that I would prefer apps always running more smoothly than having the extra battery life. If you can get things done quicker with more RAM then you don't have to suck on the battery for as long therefore saving more battery. That would mean that the difference in battery life is not so significant however there is an added performance boost with more RAM.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
I agree, but then I wonder why Samsung is releasing i7500 with 128mb of RAM only.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ma3a20:
They probably gave it up for other features, cause that device packs a punch for its body.

I think I read a story about the original device not being as good as the known one today. Supposedly some company taunted them that they the camera was bad, had no flash, no SD slot and was excessive in thickness. Don't know if it was true but their device now is :D
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] badbob001:
So is there any confirmation from a magic-type device on how much RAM it has? The HTC UK page says 192MB while the main HTC page says 288MB. The recent gizmodo review of the google ion phone say it has 288MB but I'm not sure how that was determined. Is there a way to see how much ram a device has from within the phone's OS? Someone with a google ion phone needs to look at the spec in the documentation, if any.

I thought perhaps the 288MB was a typo since many of the new WinMo phones have 288MB as well. The leaked sapphire service manual from March shows 192MB Ram.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ma3a20:
There's basically some confusion because the device has been re branded many times.

As far as I know (in terms of hardware) the only difference between them is the RAM.

The Vodafone Magic has 192MB RAM.

The HTC Magic has 288MB RAM.

The Google Ion also has 288MB RAM; it is the same as T-Mobile's Magic; T-Mobile's Magic is the same as the HTC Magic.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] cruzzade:
Why would Vodafone ship a phone with less memory compared to T-Mobile/Google? Seems pointless, concidering that there can't really be any price difference.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ma3a20:
Maybe Vodafone don't have to pay as much for it; they get more money. Most people probably wouldn't notice anyway.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] cruzzade:
Yeah but that was my point, decreasing RAM with ~100mb can't really make any noticeable difference at all, especially not since it means there has to be two different production lines for the same phone. I don't really think that economy is behind such a decision.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] andyathome:
The Vodafone spec page is wrong.

My UK Vodafone Magic is reporting 288MB of Ram.. (Well 295MB, but that's using "Useful Switchers" and from what i can ascertain this is a rounding error)

If anyone knows of any marketplace app that can show me my memory accurately in MB please let me know - if anyone wants a screen shot let me know and i'll upload later.

Cheers

Andrew
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] badbob001:
Are you sure you're not looking at 295MB of free user storage? I remember seeing an Ion screenshot with that same 295MB number and another number showing how much free space on the SD card.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
Please open up Terminal application and issue the following command:

cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal

Please post your findings here. It would be interesting to see values from Vodafone, TIM and Google Ion devices.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] avimak:
# cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal

cat /proc/meminfo |grep -i memtotal

MemTotal: 98920 kB

# cat /proc/meminfo

cat /proc/meminfo

MemTotal: 98920 kB

MemFree: 5404 kB

Buffers: 8 kB

Cached: 23848 kB

SwapCached: 0 kB

Active: 73536 kB

Inactive: 5392 kB

SwapTotal: 0 kB

SwapFree: 0 kB

Dirty: 0 kB

Writeback: 0 kB

AnonPages: 55096 kB

Mapped: 15104 kB

Slab: 7316 kB

SReclaimable: 956 kB

SUnreclaim: 6360 kB

PageTables: 3384 kB

NFS_Unstable: 0 kB

Bounce: 0 kB

WritebackTmp: 0 kB

CommitLimit: 49460 kB

Committed_AS: 920936 kB

VmallocTotal: 155648 kB

VmallocUsed: 63576 kB

VmallocChunk: 65532 kB

#

WTF?!

I have the Vodafone Magic.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
G1 shows similar figures, about 98MB of RAM.

Anyone with italian TIM, Rogers or Google Ion?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
Rest of your memory (about 94Mb) is used by GSM radio, framebuffer. These things are handled on a much lower level which OS can't see.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] bachviet:
Google Ion here and it's the same as Vodafone Magic:
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] avimak:
Great, I was nervous for a sec that the Vodafone users fu**ed again (after the "no goodies" as the HTC branded etc.) :)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
I regret to inform you that HTC-branded (non-Vodafone) Magic has 197Mb available in MemTotal, which means it really physically has 288Mb of RAM. Joost39 confirmed that in the other thread. Those units are sold in Denmark.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] marpoz:
On my HTC Vodafone Magic I got this:

MemTotal: 98708 kB
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] vman81:
My htc branded test phone (with the old physical button layout without the search key) I have 98 ram visible, so I'm guessing 192mb total.

I do feel a slight lag sometimes that I don't feel with the production HTC phone.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dwang:
So the Google ION phone only has 192 megs of RAM just like the G1?

That's pretty disappointing. I was thinking of getting one once google makes it available to the general public. I guess I'll wait for the hero then. That's gotta ship with more than 192 meg since ROSIE is a huge memory hog.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ukred11:
on my htc magic from vodafone there is 288mb (259mb free just now)
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
That's ROM, not RAM.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdamHC:
I think I would go for more RAM despite battery life being worse off. It will be faster and will probably cope with future apps better. Also, my current phone (not an android phone) keeps running out of RAM when I use its browser which is quite the pain.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Amon_RA:
Meminfo of a non Vodafone HTC Magic after performing a wipe :

cat /proc/meminfo

MemTotal: 197144 kB

MemFree: 65708 kB

=> 131436 kB "taken"

Meminfo of a Vodafone HTC Magic after performing a wipe :

cat /proc/meminfo

MemTotal: 98920 kB

MemFree: 2388 kB

=> 96532 kB "taken"

Seems that the non Vodafone HTC firmware requires much more ram...

Maybe that's the reason why they extended it?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdamHC:
What would make it use more RAM? And why doesn't HTC or Vodaphone or anyone explain to us WTF?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
Most likely you will be able to run most of new firmware ROMs regardless of whether you have 192Mb or 288Mb RAM. But if you want to run many things at once (like listen to music, browse internet, run some GPS logger like My Tracks, have IM client sitting residently in your memory, etc) then 288Mb will have an advantage. Otherwise Android system will just quit some resident background application to release RAM to the foreground one.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] dwang:
Do you notice significant performance increase with the non vodafone htc magic?

The biggest adv of having more RAM is you don't get the annoying feature of the browser reloading pages whenever you go to another application and then come back as the browser will continue to stay in RAM and not be swapped out.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ukred11:
no thats RAM not ROM

Ram you can store on without a memory card

Rom you cant
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] ostendk:
as far as i can tell, the vodaphone magic has 192mb ram, which leaves around 96mb to the user after all the lower level apps (gsm, maybe linux kernel and so on) has reserved theirs.

and the htc magic has 288mb ram total, which then leaves around ~190mb to the user after the rest was reserved by the system..

correct me if iam wrong :P

last post on this page confirmes the htc magic has a little more:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=515074&highlight=Joost&page=3
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] veej:
That is really interesting. I was in the Vodafone shop last week here in HK and played with the Magic they have there and noticed severe lag. It was the major reason why I did not buy one. However, after playing with my friend's non-Vodafone version it was apparent that it is a lot faster. This thread explains why.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] buffet:
Indeed that is a very strange approach of HTC towards Vodafone, like "Ok, you get first month exclusivity, but inferior hardware" :)

That is not to mention that US Magic is getting 5Mpix camera.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] cedricberger:
the 5Mpix camera is probably also one more reason to have increased memory.

Bigger pictures need more memory to be handled.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdamHC:
Just wondering, will the US version have a 5mp camera and a flash? Or just the camera and no flash? Cause I don't get the point if there is no flash. Can't really produce very good photos either way.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] RPG0:
Just my 0.02$:

The vodafone magic is a "with Google" phone, right ? So it's not using HTC's custom framework.

The other ones have HTC inside (no "with Google"). The HTC software branding takes more RAM (i'm looking at Rosie here). Maybe that's why there more RAM for HTC, and less for Vodafone (plain android doesn't require that much memory).
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] Happy_Kot:
So where in ebay i can find Magic with definitely 288 ram?

From which operator or country?
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] parrot5:
I only know of Rogers in Canada - because that's who I'm with. Their Magic definitely has 288MB of RAM. And in Canada, Rogers is the only GSM carrier with the Magic, FYI.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdamHC:
Any Magic which isn't Vodaphone branded. The branded ones will have the vodaphone logo near the speaker at the top. Probably best to ask and check too to make sure incase the use a picture which isn't of the phone.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] theGchild:
i was going to say the same thing. i heard that the "with Google" brandings are for carriers and the HTC ones will support Exchange in some way. or something like that. i'm new to the whole Android scene, in fact, i don't even have my phone yet. got an Ion on the way, hopefully get it tomorrow.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] geovass:
You can try this one

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BRAND-NEW-UNL...66:2|39:1|72:1683|240:1318|301:1|293:1|294:50
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] xd4d3v:
so are we sure about the difference in RAM yet? how about the speed?

Is there any version with 5MP out already?

I have a VF magic, but it'd be interesting to change the camera for a 5MP in mine :-p
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] cedricberger:
Can't see the value of a 5 Mpx camera.

Bigger files to compute/send ?

As I can see with my Magic 3.2 Mpx, resolution is by far not the limiting factor of picture quality. You already see big defects in picture without needing to zoom to pixel level...

And given that it is even more difficult to have decent light sensitivity with more pixels, 5 Mpx does not look like the way to go.

On the other hand, more RAM would be really useful.
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] AdamHC:
Same here, if they stuck a flash on the phone too then it would be a good idea to give it a 5mpx camera....but they didn't
[myTouch 3G, Magic General] xd4d3v:
I had a nokia n82 with a 5MP camera, and pictures are incredible.

But I understand why they did not use a 5mp camera in the Magic.

about a month ago, my n82 went for a swim, so I pulled it apart to repair, and unfortunately the camera module died. that camera module is thicker than the magic, so i'll believe a 5MP camera on a magic, when I see it.

(could be, but the module would need to be smaller than what I saw in my n82)
[G1 General] legaleye2005:
Is it easy to use? Thanks.
[G1 General] legaleye2005:
I saw some of the ROMs have multi-touch support... What programs work with it and how does it? Thanks
[G1 General] SolemnWishing:
So far, only the browser and a few market apps have been able to officially support multi-touch. This includes the pinching gestures used on an iPhone to zoom in and out. However, in some cases, multi-touch can cause an application to crash when you touch the screen with two fingers (For example, the Steamy Window application will close if you touch it with two fingers). How it works is that the LCD on the G1 supports multi-touch, but to use it, members hacked a kernel and enabled the multi-touch. Overall, multi-touch is a great addition, and I think you should update to a firmware that supports it. Its pretty cool, considering most G1's you will see probably will not have multi-touch, and you can have something to brag about.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Stephen_T:
Can anyone point me in the direction of a 6.5 rom for the kaiser which does not contain floating skulls , pentagrams and other Goth/Emo/Sationist backgrounds cooked to the rom or as close to stock as possible.

Its not that i have any problems with that sort of thing but its a work phone and having a wolf houl whenever someone texts me isnt exactly an ideal situation .

Thanks
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] TedMcGinley:
you do realize that you can change all of that, right? it takes all of 10 seconds to change the howling wolf to whatever corporate-friendly noise you want.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] ai6908:
Hmmmm go straight, make a left, and then take your first right!:rolleyes:

We best piece of advise will be to not to flash it if you dont like it! Also keep reading and searching!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joshkoss:
Correct, any rom can be customized to your liking by you.

Please search for the perfect one to your liking.

Closing thread,

Peace,

Joshua
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sandrivl:
Hello.

Can somebody help me, i want to install Windows Mobile 6 or 6.1 Greek, i have searched many sites but nothing, can you post the link for wm greek for my touch dual. Thanks
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] mightyguard:
I olso need Romanian Orange signiture ROM

I olso need Romanian Orange signiture ROM. I need to take the phone into service and I need it's original ROM with which I've purchased it, otherwise my warranty will be cancelled and I'll have to pay for the repairs.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] nikoskavliaris:
greek xt9 for niki

I don't know any greek roms to be out yet but i can give an xt9 greek keyboard that i found in the forum, if you like to write in greek. only wm6.1

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=395085

for wm6.5

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=426281
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sandrivl:
Is not for me

Thanks, but this is not that i searching, i have installed the ezinput for greek. I'm looking for the rom , original rom in Greece i can take only by Ace Hellas, but me have byed in Albania my Touch Dual with English Rom.
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] Rataplan:
Maybe this is something for you http://www.htc.com.gr/forum/showthread.php?t=10747
[Touch Dual, MDA Touch Plus ROM Development] sandrivl:
wm 6.1 greek rom

i know this site is the official company in Greece for the Htc Mobiles, but i can't download from this site because the imei of my phone is not registered in Greece, i have purchased my touch dual in Italy from Tim. If somebody in Greece with touch dual phone have this greek rom or language pack, i really appreciated.
[Touch Cruise General] dknight71:
Playing with my Polaris with Advanced Configuration Tool Ver. 3.3 I made a big mistake: I set the Pressure Threshold to Normal (default). After reset was not more possible to use the Touch Panel. With CeRedEdit I found out that the value in the registry is set to 200 (instead of 19866).

Now I'm not able to use the device because is locked and I cannot unlocked because "pressure" is not enough. I've tried also to push as much as I can but without any results.

With CeRegEdit from my PC I can read the value of Pressure Threshold but I can't modify it because it needs to install a file on Polaris to unlock registry to write a value in HKLM.

I tried also to hard reset the device but it's not possible because keys (IE and GPS) are locked.

The only thing that I can do is answer to phone calls.

Please help me!!!!

Is there a way to change Pressure Threshold value from remote ?

Thanks

Davide
[Touch Cruise General] 02xda2:
Search for 'My Mobiler'. Download and install on your PC. Sync Polaris and try running any reg editor on PPC from PC. Might solve your problem.. Good Luck...:)
[Touch Cruise General] dknight71:
I've installed it but it asks me on the phone my confirmation to execute remote.exe because the author is not known. It's the same problem that I have with CeRegEdit when I try to unlock registry.

I cannot accept because touch panel is not usable.

Thanks for the suggestion!
[Touch Cruise General] 02xda2:
hi 'dknight71'

Why don't you flash a 'splash' or 'radio' using RUU (not custom RUU); that will hard reset the device... you will lose any data there though.
[Touch Cruise General] Olioaglio:
Try to press left lower Hardware button (the one under the green) and

the Wheel Button the same time (simultanely) and the Calibration

Screen should pop up allowing you to reset touchscreen treshold.

Olioaglio
[Touch Cruise General] dknight71:
Tried but the device is locked so it shows to press Cancel and then Unlock...

Thanks

Dknight
[Touch Cruise General] Olioaglio:
Is it already locked when you fresh restart?

I think it should work also in locked state.

Again: Press and hold left lower HARDWARE button, hold it pressed

and press wheel button (or the blue lit one on Polaris).

Olioaglio
[Touch Cruise General] InfX:
Try looking for some WinCE registry editor that runs on PC and works over activesync, such as one present in EVC4. I don't know if it loads anything that would give a security warning, but maybe not, hence, certainly worth a try.
[Touch Cruise General] coolbtk:
same problem

I'm having this same problem. My device is set to lock automatically when it is turned on. The Lower Left hardware button and center button trick does not work because it is locked. The only button that does anything is the sleep button. ActiveSyncing isn't an option because I have to unlock my device before I can connect. ActiveSync jsut gives a "Please unlock device to connect" message. Is the only fix for this going to be to enter the flashing mode (sorry, can't remember the technical term, but I mean when you hold the camera button while soft resetting) and re-flashing my ROM?

[edit]After trying a few more times, I was able to get my phone to hard reset holding the lowest two hard keys and hitting the reset button. It's sad, because I had just finished setting up everything after flashing my ROM. Oh well, hopefully it'll go faster this time.[/edit]
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] hammermedia:
I've searched and can't find a setting so it comes on when I touch the screen. I have limited mobility in my hand so that would make a big difference for me.

THANKS!
[Advantage X7500, MDA Ameo General] cyberjak:
I use a software called Cyberion Voice commander ( this may work as well with Microsoft Voice command as well ) and when i press the button on my bluetooth headset it would wake up the screen and then askk for me to submit a command. hope this tid bit helps as currently there is no touch screen to wake up. you either need software that runs in the background to wake it up via bluetooth etc, or you need to press the power button on the side. this is probably due to the way this phone works as well does many windows mobile's and if you could wake it up with the touch screen it could accidently get turned on just being in a pocket , or handbag etc.etc.
[G1 Apps and Games] LatinSilEighty:
it cost two bucks untill next week and is skinable and its bigger and its kinda nice. only complaint is that the sugestive text doesnt work correctly yet but its still pretty sexy here's some screen shots

Menu's

Before(My personalized keys)

After

Default Better keyboard Skin

Android keyboard

Prodigal Sun

White

Side By Side size comparison
[G1 Apps and Games] jordanjay29:
I grabbed this today, and I'm quite impressed. I've been using Big Keys for a while, but they haven't gotten around to including user-dictionary support or auto-correction. This app is very nice, and its skinnable interface should be great for themers.

I also like the hold to access special characters feature, and guestures, those really help when trying to type fast. I only wish the up/down guestures would change capitalization, not hide the keyboard.
[G1 Apps and Games] doubleokneegro:
so what you think?

gonna have to make skins or create our own? or customize the new ime?
[G1 Apps and Games] Chahk:
Does that mean next week it will become free, or more expensive? ;)
[G1 Apps and Games] mmafighter077:
Is it just me or does the sound for the kepyboard not turn off. I go to the settings under local & text and the sound setting under better keyboard is not checked but It still makes sounds when I press the keyboard. What gives?

Android keyboard is turned off.

UPDATE:

I dont know how I did it but I got the sound to turn off.
[G1 Apps and Games] alritewhadeva:
only complaint is that in the browser, and you press menu-->go on the bottom of the keyboard the words "press and hold the left most word" cover most of it and even though it goes away when u press the bottom buttons, its still annoying
[G1 Apps and Games] Beast84:
I'm gonna guess more expensive. I doubt they will charge for a week & then go free. It would more than likely go the other way.

Either way, I see no point in paying for a bigger keyboard when the HTC_IME & HTC_CIME are prefectly installable on all builds. I have both the Android & HTC_IME running perfectly on JF1.5

Sure this one is easier skinned than those but with a little work, the others can be skinned also. Its not hard, just a little time consuming. Just my 2 pennies
[G1 Apps and Games] LatinSilEighty:
hell yeah of course if theres one thing i cant life without its customization
[G1 Apps and Games] LatinSilEighty:
most likely itle go up in price
[G1 Apps and Games] chrisag92:
looks awsome..i wanted to get this but i cant :( only if this was free