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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fadywwf316:
Does anyone else think the release date is suspect? I want some confirmation first from Sprint as it would make no sense to release 2 smartphones like the Pre and TP2 in the same release time frame, they would hurt each other's sales. Also, Palm has been known for business devices, so saying the Pre is consumer based and the TP2 is business focused would not sell it for me...I'm sure hoping this isn't like when people rumored the Pre as early as April and it got pushed back little by little...personally I can't stand my TP any more as I'm having major problems and would do anything to trade it in for a TP2 sooner instead of later (may have to resort to a Pre if the TP2 doesn't truly come in June).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
It was confirmed by Sprint, in a roundabout way, when this was first announced. A Sprint employee said a high level Sprint sales rep demo'd the phone, and said the release date was June.

Sprint is apparently coming out with the Pre, Snap, and TP2 all within a few weeks of each other. This does make sense if you think about it, because they are all very different form factors and each is likely to appeal to different sorts of customers (I wouldn't touch the Pre or Snap with a 10 foot pole - Pre has an untried, little supported OS, and Snap has a keyboard design I personally can't stand - But I can't wait to get my hands on the TP2). It's unlikely, I think, that they will hurt each other's sales. If Sprint can generate some real mass enthusiasm across three different phone styles all at the same, it's probably going to be to Sprint's benefit to have all the buzz being around them instead of the other guys.

Marketing guys will tell you it will even be an advantage to have negative buzz ("love the Pre but they are sold out till August! Dammit!"). No such thing as bad publicity and all.

Sprint really needs to get people talking about them, and not Verizon and AT&T. I think this stands a good chance of being a brilliant strategy.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] goldenu:
And this is the thing that finally pushed me over the edge. I end up using CDMA locally and GSM on the road, and I have always kept two phones around: this will *finally* put an end to this. 'Cause honestly, it would be hard to justify the purchase absent that: the hardware underpinning the device is nearly the same as my Touch Pro.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ckeegan:
unless you mean "on the road" as in foreign countries, I think the GSM radio will be disabled except outside of the US according to the fcc filing.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] explisiv:
Free country

I so sure the fine folks of the hacking and unlocking communities wont let that go, we should have the best of both worlds in the same country -----ITS A FREE COUNTRY!! HOOK IT UP BARACK!!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
from what i've learned by poking around the CDMA phones require a different firmware correct? among other small things?

i would assume this means less support since it seems like a majority of the genius's here use GSM phones.

right wrong? just being silly?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] explisiv:
well i seen it confirmed with pocketnow.com sprint cdma/gsm unlocked
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sonwon:
Hi Everyone,

I am hoping to replace the ROM in my Sprint Mogul phone since I cannot replace the phone for over a year. I am looking for an Android/iPhone type of interface. The less I have to use my stylus the better. :) And I am hoping for a snappier interface. I would also like to be able to use the camera and wifi occasionally. I also use Sprint's Navigation package often and plan to buy an off road mapping program. Every day I use calendar and contacts. Finally I use the bluetooth every day with MS voice command.

My Mogul is on ROM V 3.35.651.2, Radio V 3.35.04.

I've read through the wiki and believe I understand the process. The one area I am struggling with is which ROM will best suit my needs. From the wiki I find these choices:

dcd

scrosler

nueROM

No2chem 5067

Key kitchen

Which ROM would you recommend to best suit my needs? :rolleyes:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sonwon:
No replies? So I guess DCD it is.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] RyanMogul:
no replies because its a silly question. read the different ROM threads and see what users are saying about them. put the pieces together based on things you read and BOOM, flash a ROM. try it out. if you dont like it, try another. very easy.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sonwon:
Thanks for the reply.

I was looking for a good foundation build for a stylus free experience. And hoping to save some time by not having to flash my way through a zillion ROMs.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] RyanMogul:
Well I mean, these phones are not meant to be touch screen only like a iPhone. You can install a ROM with a lot of finger friendly app's and then top it off with an install of FtouchFlo which enables 4 way touch scrolling in any app that needs panned or scrolled.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sonwon:
That was the route I am headed in since I have another year with this phone. I am working on a list of applications now. My partial list:

iris browser

calendar+

pocketCM

manilla 2D

HTC home

HTS home customizer

s2u2

PCM keyboard

SPB mobile shell

youtubeplayer

I likely have some duplicates in this list.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gangaskan:
you'lll want to stick with the 6.1 roms then. also, if you do 6.5 its a little intense on the mogul due to memory usage, i have roughly 8 megs free on a good day with active sync running.

i think with the ryan RUU 6.1 i had around 30-35 free
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] btonetbone:
Geez, assess what you have running! I have a solid 25 meg free on 6.5. You may have quite a lot going on in the background.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gangaskan:
just syncing to exchange is all. and whatever is at start from the firmware (using RUU light 2.1 Winmo6.5)

i changed my page size to 6, freed up alot actually.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gangaskan:
oh, and btonetbone, are you using himem or lowmem? i still use my camera, so its under low, with high mem, i think its around 25 free
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] btonetbone:
I'm usually in high memory mode. But that doesn't usually cause a 17 meg variance; it's more like 6 or 7.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] gangaskan:
could be why, i'm using low memory mode for the camera
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] NorskeDivision:
I think 6.5 is worth the loss of RAM.

My custom 6.5 has about 27.5 on boot, around 24 after a day of use. That's with high mem mode. With low mem, 21M on boot. That's about as good as you will get with 6.5. If you need more RAM than that, go with 6.1. You simply won't get more than 28M on boot with 6.5.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sonwon:
I loaded DCD's ROM and then decided I wanted to try Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 heavy ROM. After loading I noticed there was only 10MB free and decided that wouldn't work for me so I went back to the DCD ROM. Now when I boot I still see Ryan's splash screen. I did the hard reset. I am guessing there is a spot where the ROM doesn't overwrite can someone nudge me in the right direction on how to replace files there?

Also, I am going to give Ryan's WM 6.5 UI 7 light ROM a try.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] RyanMogul:
To have more free RAM using WM 6.5 on a TITAN its recommended that you run in High Memory mode, meaning Camera Disabled. Even with my light version you are still going to need to disable camera. It all depends on what you use the phone for. If you go into Settings/System Settings/NueKernel and run in High Memory you will see a huge difference in memory. Just remember to turn camera back on before flashing to another ROM that does not include Nuekernel.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] sonwon:
Thanks for the reply Ryan. I'll give that a try.

What about the splash screen?

Also what is the phone doing while the splash screen is showing, seems like a long wait at this spot.
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
I listened to my sisters ipod a couple days ago and realized that I was missing out on good quality music. So I purchased a Zune. I use skullcandy headphones. I compared the sound of the same tracks on my Xperia and on the Zune and the sound from my Zune rocked.

Hence my poll. How many of you carry an alternate media player, ipod, zune iriver etc and have an Xperia?
[XPERIA X1 General] killer8nl:
I do, I carry my xperia for phone calls, text messages and internet and my creative zen V plus just for the music:)
[XPERIA X1 General] aksx1:
i carry my walkman player.. sony walkman nwz-a728
[XPERIA X1 General] BuddyLee:
Funny this post came up, now that its warmer and i'm not using my jacket to store my x1. I just literally started to charge and load up my zen vision m with my music for listening. Ill probably buy a hip case thingy for my xperia or just stash it in my bag.
[XPERIA X1 General] SamAsQ:
ummm.... am i the only one wondering why everyone bought a pda if your just gonna use it for phone/internet? THEN getting an ipod for music? this seems totally ridiculous to me, the X1 is a big enough device without having an extra mp3 player in your pocket! may as well just carry an old nokia 3210 with your ipod for music, digital camera for photos, and laptop for internet :P
[XPERIA X1 General] de Wolfe:
In my opinion my X1 sounds with good earphones like my Sennheiser CX500 or my Creative EP633 even better than every iPod with the same earphones. last year I bought a Creative ZEN and I just gave it back because my W960i sounded better. Even if the Xperia doesn't sound 100% as good as my W960i, it still sounds too good for me to take some other device with me...
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
From a logical point of view your comment is valid. However sometimes life is not black and white. Windows Mobile devices have been able to play music from day 1 aka PPC2000. However, if sound quality or media player functionality is not a concern or issue for you then definitely play your jams with the X1 or any other windows mobile device.

However you've got to realize that PMP are specialized and offer more than just playing music with shuffle and repeat functions.
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
I thought I'd just list some reasons why I like using my Zune 120 over my X1 for music.

- Space: I have a large music library

- Battery life: I commute an average of 4 hours everyday

- Sound quality:It's not all about headphones; the device has to produce the frequencies

- Bit rate :X1 cannot play lossless 320kb audio

- Screen size :This is trivial but I like the big screen

- Sync speed : Even though the X! is USB 2.0 capable you have to switch it to USB mode else it take forever to sync files. I had a 16GB sdhc card

- Seamless : The Zune just works. It's seamless and doesnt get bogged down. I can even sync it wirelessly and has tons of features.

Mind you, a lot of the reasons I listed can be recreated directly or with 3rd party apps on most WinMo devices ie sound improvement with SRS WOW HD or Conduits pocket player for more functions but my point is that my Zune just works. It does what it does best without any hacks or 3rd party purchases or freeware.

Now I'm not trying to sellup my Zune because I'm sure the same goes for an ipod or Iriver or Creative device. Until MS integrates such seamless functionality into WinMo device PMPs will do the job.
[XPERIA X1 General] Firefall!:
No longer since I have the X1. Battery life is still okay. I charge every night and listen to music about 6 to 8 hours a day. But now I might consider switching back to carrying a MP3 Player because I bought Sennheiser MX W1 wireless (in-ear) headphones and it might be that the Kleer Wireless Audio @ 2.4 Ghz interferes with WCDMA @ 2.1 Ghz. At least the signal is interrupted quite often compared to bluetooth connections, also over short distances < 1m "through" a human being. I will definitely experiment with that. Sound quality is awesome.
[XPERIA X1 General] poetryrocksalot:
Music quality on new generations of MP3 Players, Phones, and Computers is just a placebo effect. Music quality is a "lie". What determines music quality = head phones or speakers. What mp3 player you use is just plain old placebo BS.

I mean seriously people have done tests in which you see listeners who listen to high fidelity and low fidelity and they couldn't find any difference. This includes music producers and artists, and even the producers who claim th be able to tell the difference between a .wav and a .mp3 is straight up BS.

We humans can only hear a certain amount of frequencies.
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
LOL! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. However that's ok! The media is crucial when it comes to sound quality. You can have the best and most expensive media player but if the media player cant output the frequency nor process at the bit rate then you are screwed.

Windows Media Mobile cannot process lossless audio. The difference in disparity between media encoded in 192VBR/F and 320KB /f is ridiculously clear regardless of headphones.

Please utilize the internet before quoting "false" facts. Nice try though.
[XPERIA X1 General] Szadzik:
Sony NWZ A818 is my music player.
[XPERIA X1 General] ash969:
I carry y Xperia for messages, telephone etc,

and my iphone for music.

i hate it to use the xperia for music with the headset, because i cannot skip the music with the headset, just like with the iphone
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
That's pretty unique
[XPERIA X1 General] Shadowdh:
I use my X1 for phone internet and videos and music/podcasts but also have a Meizu M6sl... pretty much because I had that before I got my loverly X1... I still use both though...
[XPERIA X1 General] WhyBe:
BS

Everything factors into sound quality from your headphones, the bitrate, the quality of the MP3 conversion software, to the amplifiers in the listening device. The chain is only as good as the weakest link.

On cheap equipment (most consumer stuff), it is hard to tell the difference between a good .mp3 and a .wav. On professional equipment, the difference is night and day. A professional sound engineer/mixer can probably tell the difference even on cheap equipment.

So there probably is a difference in the sound circuitry of a standalone media player as opposed to a do-it-all smartphone.
[XPERIA X1 General] friend'scatdied:
Depends. Arguably an audiophile would argue that a portable source in general is compromised when compared to a home source as the former doesn't have the space for a proper amp output stage. Though I get what you're saying.

Moreover the nature of the amplifier used in the output stage of the digital audio player can have adverse or preferable effects on the final sound (I hesitate to say "sound quality" as this is more of a "sound signature"). Hence why some players might sound comparatively warm and mellow, with rounded-out midrange and toned-down treble (my old Cowon iAudio X5, Meizu M6 MiniPlayer SP, and Nokia N86, for example). Conversely, other players might sound a bit colder, trading a rich midrange for some more emphasized treble. And of course there is always the sterile ground of neutrality that some may prefer (I think my iPod Video 5.5G 80GB fell under here).

I can't quite figure out where the sound signature of the X1 belongs. It doesn't sound like it offers as much body compared to the N86, but its bass is around the same level. Regardless, I believe the sound signature of the Zune is what the OP might prefer. Although all modern players are capable of reproducing the full audible spectrum audibly, many reproduce them in subtly different ways.

Plus there are externalities such as hiss, which is prevalent on my X1 (and on my M6 SP, but less so) but wasn't a concern on my N86 or X5 or iPod.

But the components between a high-end smartphone and a dedicated portable media player are negligibly different. Due to the size of their components and the compromises that are made for that portability, they are both in the same range of circuit quality. You'd have to get something like a $500 Kenwood Japanese import MP3 player to get an amp output stage that is noticeably superior, and even that difference is arguable.

I've read much speculation on the head-fi forums (admittedly before the "Sound Science" forum was created) and most people there concluded that for all but perhaps two or three portable media players (the Kenwoods I mentioned above), 192kbps MP3 is virtually lossless. On the home front it was generally believed that 320kbps performs the same effect, being indistinguishable from FLAC, ALAC, WAV, WMA-L, et al. As your bitrate strays down from these values in the respective setups, you (depending on your level of hearing) are prone to hearing more compression artifacts.

Then there were a few that claimed they could hear stark differences. These few were the kinds that invested upwards of ten thousand U.S. dollars on audio cables. I'd like to scream "snake oil" but I can't, as I haven't tried such extravagant setups myself.

I used to care a lot about this, and spent so much time debating on sound quality that I forgot what was really important: the music. I sold all my MP3 players, stuck to the X1 and my Sennheiser HD25-1s, and I couldn't be happier for it. Much better to appreciate what's great than to worry about what little is wrong and could be improved.
[XPERIA X1 General] scote:
According the the wikipedia page WMA lossless does play on windows media player mobile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Lossless

I just downloaded a sample file and it played on my xperia - or am I missing something? Arn't there 3rd party players that will play FLAC and other formats too?

Personally I think the media and headphones matter the most, whats in between makes little difference to all but self confessed audiophiles who will claim that using gold plated oxygen free cable makes a difference too. (ie BS)
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
Hmm . . . You've got me there. I wish you would post a link to this sample file. Last I checked WMP Mobile 10 could not and does not support WMA 320Kb/s F Lossless. Mind you this is not the same as .wav which is supported by the hardware though playing/loading a full song 03 3 mins r above in .wav might take a min or two and probably freeze your device.
[XPERIA X1 General] friend'scatdied:
???? 320kbps != lossless.

Lossless = FLAC, ALAC, APE, WMA-L, WAV, et al.

WAV is generally 1411kbps, the rest are inherently VBR as there is a variable amount of lossless information in a track per time. I think FLAC is around ~700 ABR for most of my tracks.

Regardless, 320kbps and lossless are transparent to most people (regardless of setup) anyway so it doesn't really matter. Lossless arguably doesn't benefit portable sources, which are generally transparent to 192kbps.

Also I am unsure that WAV would freeze a device, especially if it is in solid-state memory. In hard disks it generally requires a lot of seeking and consequent power consumption, but hard disk players are phasing out anyway. The point is that WAV requires no decompression as it isn't compressed at all, and therefore uses the least processing power. WAV is less taxing on non-hard drive portable media players than even MP3s.
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
I noticed a lot of you stated that you carry an alternate media player just for convinience, does this imply that sound is not a factor. For me space was a factor also. Having 120GB of music at any one time is amazing. My 16GB mSDHC just couldnt handle my library.
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
got an ipod touch 16gb but don't use it as mp3 player or carry it anywhere

it's just toy / remote for my appletv

use my x1 with bluetooth headset from nokia for music

and with a 3.5mm -> tape adaptor for the old fashion radio in my car

and with my creative traveller external speakers for music outside

well rather low poor sound quality music anyway :P
[XPERIA X1 General] bronx:
I wish I had so much free time to listen to the music all the time. the other thing is, that if I am using headphones, then usually I am walking/ running which means that You have to have uber hearing to spot the difference between i.e. xperia and ipod.

my 2 pence: I do not carry any other electronic devices other than X1i and my g-shock watch at any time. with technics headphones I am more then happy with sound quality and if it's any help, I use unofficial R3A media xperience panel for that purpose.

bottom line... imho 3/4 so called "audiophiles" have too much money to burn on gadgets/electronics in their hands and they are justifying that way those buys and their need to show off. but what do I know... :P
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
lol yeah also if one listen to rock music rather then classic then it would be hard to hear that much difference
[XPERIA X1 General] bluefrog:
I play in a covers band and need to have very good quality audio when learning tracks (to pick out the keys parts from rock songs isn't easy, as a rule). I use Mortplayer cos the sound is fantastic. Big improvement over the built-in player, mainly due to the equalizer capability.

I run it into the head unit of my car and it sounds crisp and clear, with plenty of bass too. I encode MP3s at 192 usually....

When i'm not listening to tracks to learn them then i just put it in "changer" mode and get complete random playback if i want it. Ultimate Ears 'phones help for personal listening too....

The only reason i'd not use it would be if i needed more storage space.
[XPERIA X1 General] alabij:
So far the poll is almost even. wow
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
but is mp3 really a worth while format anymore ?

ogg vorbis and m4a (mpeg4 based audio) and even wma

are newer codecs which promise better quality then old

but compatible mp3

I had an early mp3 from diamond rio back in the day which only have 32mb and there

to get an hour of music i had to encode using 64kb/sec :S

and at that rate wma was way better then mp3
[XPERIA X1 General] bluefrog:
that's a good point i guess. I use mp3 'cos it's what i've always used and it's the most universally known format i - easy to send tracks to other band members etc.

but yeah if there's a format that saves space for the same quality then i would agree that would be better! There is of course the "danger" of becoming so obsessed about the quality that one can forget to enjoy the music! :)
[XPERIA X1 General] friend'scatdied:
LAME-encoded MP3s (especially VBR high quality presets) with modern algorithms have progressed far from back in the day, and are favorably comparable to similar-bitrate formats that were "emergent" back then (ogg vorbis, wma). MP3 is going to last a long time..
[XPERIA X1 General] bronx:
not to mention that vast majority of audio files in the world are mp3. I'll better leave those shiny new file formats for my little son. ;) sometimes I wonder how gadgets are going to look like in next ~30 years, when he's going to be about my age. oh well... sorry for the off top. :D
[XPERIA X1 General] biernes_atrece:
may i join in?

im a minimalist.

when travelling, i always travel light.

hence for me, X1 is all the package i need.

simply and amazingly does everything - from bznz to pleasure and in betweens :D

i only need good quality music when im already home where i can let my 5.1 blast off

oh.. almost forgot.. if only X1 is dual-sim capable, then i wont be bringing another phone anymore.
[XPERIA X1 General] bharat4ever:
I recently bought the new ipod shuffle. Not because my X1 is not sufficient, but because it's too bulky when i have to go jogging.
[XPERIA X1 General] xkamaitachi:
i use my old iphone as a mp3 player x_x
[XPERIA X1 General] shadowmike:
i plug my phone into my car stereo so i guess u can say i use a alternate player but i still use either audio manager or core player to play the songs through my stereo