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[Touch HD General] andes83:
Well i won't go for the Iphone i have my HD and i'm stuck on it to change something that good you need to buy something "special" and from the looks of it the new Iphone will be a bit better than the last one so why do i give a great amount of money to switch to something "a bit" better.Let's see Palm Pre and other Android devices now the market will be devided not only for WM an Iphone but Android and Palm OS also so i won't hurry to go for the new stuff as you can never know which one is better until you try them for at lesat 4-6 months maybe even more....so let's wait and see "newer" is not the same as "better" .
[Touch HD General] jim256:
I really think it is going to be more than "a bit better".

As you saw there are hundreds of features and fixes in the new OS, plus new hardware changes such has considerably better CPU,

double

the RAM, better camera, thinner etc..
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
iori,

There are lots of misconceptions about iPhone, so I don't blame you for having incomplete or wrong information.

iPhone is extremley customizable too, and you too can have multitasking once jailbroken. Therefore, you do not get what it is - you get what you want it to be. You don't get stucked with iTunes and online store. You get the benefit but you can also get things outside iTune and online store.

Whoever gives you the idea that the iPhone aplls are not useable does not know what he is talking about. When app store was first available, many low quality applications did get listed. Not anymore. Whether you're an advanced IT network adminstrator, sales executives, finance director, web site marketer, shipping agent, there are really nice applications for you. Trust me on this one. Don't just anyhow believe people who tells you that iPhone is just a toy and winmo is for corporate use. iPhone can be as corporate as you want it to be.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] Roupette:
Anyway, iPhone is still quite poor on the GPS domain.

6 or 7 apps (park lane, radar, around me, traffic, etc) to do all that my iGO can natively do... and still no turn-by-turn soft buyable on the iPhone.

I want a real all in one, and neither the actual iPhone or the next one won't be a real one. My friends who own an iphone have all get a specific GPS, and well, everything's said... :)
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Yes, that's tue still. If you're in US, there is an application called G-Map, which on the surface looks quite decent, but nothing outside US yet. However, this is expected to change with Firmware 3.0. The reason why there was none in the past was because Apple did not allow any such application, thanks to their stupid policy. Respectable company like Tom Tom would of course refuse to release it into the "underground" cydia store. With the policy change by Apple, TomTom is expected there soon.

I'm all for having everything in one device too, and GPS has been a sore point for me. The other sore point is the fixed battery, but that I can accept because iPHone's battery life is not bad.
[Touch HD General] lancemate:
there are 3 killers for me with the iphone

1. no gps (it has a chip but nothing other than gimmickey apps for it)

2. resolution too small

3. no multi tasking - if I can't listen to mp3's while driving on my bluetooth stereo whilst having TomTom tell me where to go its no good.

Now we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with TomTom but unless they sort the other 2 issues I wont even be looking at it, let alone ditching my beloved HD.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Hi Lancemate,

How do we know that the new iPhone is gonna ship with Tom Tom? I must have missed that information somewhere.

I'm too disappointed with Steve Jobs for not providing multitasking. So, looks like we still have to jailbreak to get that.

HD's resolution is very nice. No doubt about it. Although vast majority of the applications (phone, weather, music player for example) would not really miss this. Web surfing is in my mind a leading exception, as it would be nice to be able to clearly read the font without zooming in. It is for me a compromise, although an acceptable one for myself. I guess one has to take everything into account (multitouch vs resistive, number of applications available, speed, smoothness, stability, user interface, etc) and decide for oneself if such a compromise is worth it.
[Touch HD General] lancemate:
its all over the internet mate and has been for a while

example

http://www.appleinsider.com/article..._0_app_highlights_tomtom_gps_line_6_more.html
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I'm aware Tom Tom and Navigon will be available, but as separate purchase rather than being shipped with the phone. Guess I misunderstood what you said. Thanks anyway.
[Touch HD General] lancemate:
steve, is your surname jobs? lol

sorry couldnt resist
[Touch HD General] jigners:
Can the new iphone multitask? will it be able to Cut and Paste? do word documents?
[Touch HD General] jim256:
I have to admit, Steve seems pretty subjective and just sticking facts out there...good one tho still :)

iPhone has been able to multi - task for a while as per jailbreaking. I have to admit that I had NO idea that jailbreaking it opened SO many doors until a few months ago...I am not sure I would really consider buying it without the incredible customization that that enables.

Yes, both the iPhone 3G on OS 3.0 and the iPhone 3G S can do cut copy and paste.

Steve, is there currently any solution for word documents? A custom app after jailbreaking?

I may very well come back to WM and I am keeping my HD until I am sure, I won't be ashamed or anything if I come back or afraid to admit it but...as Steve said, the lower resolution is really a bummer (at least for me), but it's a compromise thing. The new iPhone on the new OS just has too many advantages over WM and HTC to ignore anymore...
[Touch HD General] suisen:
Windows Media Player doesn't....and u always have that sweet Windows Explorer copy and paste to storage card option letting u help yourself to content of any computer you come by....i would really really hate to be forced to transfer stuff only through iTunes/Sonicstage/WMDC/whatever

also, am on 7 now, was on Vista prior to it, XP for ages....since SP2 for XP came out i didn't have a crash or a virus....and i'm no hacker prodigy :/ i guess Mac/iPhone is much more idiot friendly/proof, but i fail to see it as a huge plus, it's just limited in options making it impossible to break/crash something

i came across this topic few weeks back and was afraid new iPhone will change the world and make my HD obsolete....well, i lol'd hard yesterday....i would be ashamed promoting mms/copy-paste/3mpx/video&voice recording as an upgrade....mobiles do those things for nearly 10 years now :/

obviously Apple sect members will celebrate it like a greatest invention since wheel :/

and at the end of the day, for me all discussions end when i can't have msn running in the background 24/7 while surfing/texting/mailing/playing Solitaire or wanking to porn i copy/pasted from my computer and played in freshly downloaded Coreplayer (only did it once and only because i can, but i love the fact i can :D)
[Touch HD General] jim256:
You make it sound much easier than it is. Windows Media player will try and copy it all to your device memory..which of course isn't enough. So then you need to remove your card and sync it seperately each and everytime. I see it as a no brainer that it would be far nicer to plug in my iPhone, wait for 2 minutes, unplug it and know that absolutely everything is perfectly in sync. Much more convenient and much faster.

And you know that an MS product is going to duplicate things like crazy.

"and at the end of the day, for me all discussions end when i can't have msn running in the background 24/7 while surfing/texting/mailing/playing Solitaire or wanking to porn i copy/pasted from my computer and played in freshly downloaded Coreplayer (only did it once and only because i can, but i love the fact i can :D)"

- Now this is what makes me lol hard. Idk what 2020 MS device you are using...but on current MS devices, sure you can do all that..at a snails pace. If you have all those things going at the same time it'll take you a full minute to type out a text message because WM is going to be SSOOOOOOO laggy even on a stripped ROM fresh off a reset.

"well, i lol'd hard yesterday....i would be ashamed promoting mms/copy-paste/3mpx/video&voice recording as an upgrade....mobiles do those things for nearly 10 years now :/"

- The reason this is all so important is that stupid Apple finally caught up in these areas...it's not these upgrades themselves that makes everyone excited, it's the fact that now that these upgrades are in place it is looking pretty darn close to the perfect device. As I have said before, I was smart and didn't get burned with earlier iPhones cuz I knew they would just frustrate me not having these things, but now that they are here, plus faster performance and all the other million things iPhone can do better and look better while doing...count me in.

I am just tired of sitting there waitin on my HD to bring up the Comm Manager, or waiting for Opera to open, or waiting for texting to open because since music is playin in the background it is stressed to the limit...sick of waiting. If it had an amazing interface and I had to trade speed maybe but...the hard truth is that it is both slow and ugly.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Hi Jigners,

On Multitasking

===========

The new iPhone, without jailbreaking, behaves like the old one as far as running multiple programs are concerned. In other word, it only mulititask Apple's own programs such as Calendar, music player, phone, notes, SMS, etc. When you reboot it, only the Phone application is started. Programs such as music player, once started, will stay active henceforth. (But iPhone does not keep ALL apple programs running when you press the Home key. Example calculator program) So, when you press Home key to exit the music player, it keeps running in the background. That's why you still hear the music and the phone can still receive call while you're working on say a third party program such as eWallet, and your mail could still be checking for new mails at the same time.

It is the THIRD PARTY programs that Apple prevents multitasking. In this case, the eWallet. So, when you press the Home key while in eWallet, the unjailibroken iPhone would completely close eWallet and return to the springboard (desktop in perhaps a more easily understood term for most of you). So, if you need to go back to eWallet again, you need to go through the logon screen all over again and navigate to where you were before you exited it earlier.

Jailbroken phone with the Backgrounder application installed changed it, but allowing any third party program to remain running in the background when you press the Home key. More description on how it works here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3922231&postcount=140

Cut and paste

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With OS3.0, both new and old iPhone could cut and paste without jailbreaking. Before OS2.0, you must jailbreak to cut and paste.

Word documents

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Without jailbreaking, you can create and edit word document with many third party applications from the Applestore (i.e., no jailbreaking needed). Examples of such applications are QuickOffice and Documents. They do excel too. Without requiring internet connection. Just like MS mobile office, they would not have full desktop features and functionalities, but the format would be compatible.

Hope I answered your question.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Often I hear people saying this: "You MUST use itune to transfer documents between PC and iPhone. You are stuck to syncing with only ONE PC while I need to sync with both my home and work PC."

Reality is, you CAN do it without jailbreaking, without itune. I do that for my photos, musics, and videos all the time. To and from multiple PC.

You can also sync to both your home and work PC. There are again third party programs to allow this to happen.

I also hear people saying that the compass is useless piece of improvement for the new Phone. Well, while I do not think it is very very important, I can see the value of knowing in which direction I should start travelling with my TomTom instaed of having to move for a short distance first. I think google map and google earth's street view could also be enhanced to take advantage of it by showing you the right direction in the street view, perhaps.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Ha ha ha. No problem mate.;)

But seriously, I understnad from my recent posts why people would label me as an Apple fanboy. In reality, I've been using winmo devices and one of the strongest advocates of this platforms for a long time. Most of my devices were winmo devices, from the very early days in the 90s. With both my HD and Athena, I spent countless hours savoring every single posts not just on this forum but also on many others, often helping others solve their problems in what I was convinced was the only perfect devices on earth. In fact, the creator of www.mobilehornet.com website remarked that "If ever there is a die-hard U1000 user, the honour must go to Eaglesteve." (http://forum.mypdacafe.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=16347&start=270#p188946)

Yes, I made comments such as "no other platform offers the same vast variety of third party application software as winmo platform", "I can make my device to look anyway I want so I'd never be sick of it, unlike iPhone", "iPhone is just a toy"...., and I really did think that I was right for a long long time. With all my fellow forumners all supporting me to attack steve jobs, I naturally did not have the chance to get accurate information on iPhone, on a winmo forum. I never trusted any iPhone forum because I said to myself that those are fanboy's site, so don't expect objective information to come from there. Ironically, it was on XDA that I first took serious notice of iPhone because another very senior winmo "activist" said he had already switched to iPhone and never look back since. He started the cooked ROM projects in Athena, is extremely knowledgeable with tweaks, 100% commited to making this community a better place, so when he explained his reason for the switch, I took notice and started serious research. I was already fully aware at the time I swtich that there was no navigation and office editing facility, but was prepared to use my HD for navigation (i.e., use two devices). To my pleasant surprise, there was office document creating and editing facility although even the iPhone lovers told me there was'nt any. Another big pleasant surprise was the extent of tweaking and customization iPhone can offer. I had assume all along, even after using it for a while that I will be looking at the same appearance day in and out. Boy, I was thrilled to be able to completely change the appearance of my desktop and applications to countless different ones everyday. Just an example: in winmo, I got to change the skin of the phone, but in iPhone, I can do that, but also have the uniform skin theme across every single applications with a flick of a switch.

The rest in history.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
eaglesteve, I haven't seen many posts of yours that are not glorifying the iphone (or as some may say, "putting P...y up on a pedestal") :D I'm not attacking you but I am curious as to why you need to write a 1000 word thesis every post to preach iphone in a Windows Mobile forum?

If the iphone really is as good as you say then surely you shouldn't need to try and prove it, it seems as though you are but by all means carry on trying to convert us all :D

"Apple fan boy" I dont think this quite fits you, I would say its more of an obsession :p
[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
Yeah Its got me confused too. I just don't quite get why anyone no matter how crappy Windows CE was would want to go back to a smaller screen size?

But the really confusing thing I guess is you went with a device not really supported by XDA-Developer? I know this sound stupid but this site made a huge impact on my choice of the touch HD. (I lost the details to my last account i do have more than 20 posts) Is there a better site than XDA?

If we all put our hands up for you, maybe they will make you an IPhone section?
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
I'll trade my .3" smaller screen for something I dont have to finger tip touch and something I can actually see in sunlight.

This poll is dumb anyways, ofcourse the 4th choice is going to win in an HD forum.
[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
Sorry I forgot I'm in a 'Religious' thread. I should have been more specific, I was actually referring to the 800x480 screen resolution. Thanks for pointing that out mate.
[Touch HD General] imranmaz:
Excuse me....

WTF is this thread?
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
So what is the resolution of this new iPhone 3Gs? is it the same low resolution pixelated 480x320? if thats the case then there is not much improvement.
[Touch HD General] arfster:
Don't be too critical - after all, they've added mms and video recording, so only 3 years behind proper smartphones now.
[Touch HD General] dazza9075:
lol, this is rather intresting, we are actually ignoring the fact that look at the poll above most people are quite happy where they are.

I am asking you to show my why something is better because you are raising an argument against Windows Mobile based on either your personal experiences or the percived experiences of other users, if its your own then i am sorry you have had a hard time, if its others then id like to point out that its human nature to complain about something if its not what they like.

looking at the poll it suggests that largely most people are happy with WM and Touch Flo, these people dont tend to jump up an down how good something is, they are much more likely to complain about something then praise it.

Regarding the Shell, the basic user interface is graphicly poor, it does however work, and work well. Adding Touch Flo on top of it keeps Windows Mobile in the game with Apple and Google based offerings.

Im still shocked that you believe most people have issues with Microsoft products, ill admit where something is wrong, but the reality is, again shown in the poll, its not as bad as you think. Windows ME was a nightmare, Vista is very good but ill admit it wasnt has snappy as XP, 7 isnt RTM so ill not comment on its final state but from what ive seen its good. Saying all things MS are crap is simply a misconception.

This is my point, everything has its place, somethings are good some are not, but in their target areas they perform well, Iphone targets the cool folk, quick and simple to use very high "streetcred", WM targets power users and business folk, android as far as i can tell doesnt have either "cool" factor or usability which is why i cant see where its going, the only place i can see it fitting in well, at the moment, is with the Linux community or with people who have a chip on their shoulders about MS or apple, there is the possibility that it might carve out a market based on low end cheap devices which isnt a bad thing, the market is moving to Touch screen mobiles and perhaps it can gain ground in the Mobile phone market, rather then the PDA phone market us Windows mobile users are in.
[Touch HD General] jaypeev_9:
I like both WM and iPhone... So I'll keep them both.
[Touch HD General] joshuz:
New iPhone will look exactly the same. Same size as well. Only physical improvements are:

RAM

processor speed

3D acceleration

option of 16gb or 32gb

3.2 megapixel camera with flash and video recording (so now on par with most low and midrange phones in this area)

The actual operating system will be available to all current iPhone users, so it's not exclusive to the new one.

Basically, if you already have an iPhone there's no point throwing it out for a new one unless you really really need the extra space, speed or 1.2 megapixels.
[Touch HD General] Surfer_D:
You're all talking about resolution here. I compared my hd with iphone in web bwosing and I must say that the browsing is better in iphone despite of the greather resolution on hd's side.
[Touch HD General] maati:
lol nice flamewar here....

As an actual Touch HD AND iPhone user I just like to say the iPhone is nice but I'm keeping only the Touch HD because I found the iPhone to be far too limited for my needs.
[Touch HD General] jim256:
Haha...ok well I gotta be honest, there is no way I am going to read all that lol.

I skimmed some, I agree, they really need to boost the resolution. Even the iPhone 3G S in two months with new bug fixes and features plus jailbroken will not be perfect...it's very doubtful any device ever will. But pretty darn close.

I was afraid this would become a WM vs. iPhone battle, I was simply just interested to see how many HD users would make the switch to the new iPhone now that the critical failure areas have been fixed.

I will say this though:

The 1000+ new API's will for sure bring new and better gps apps, and Apple and Google have stated that they are working hard to overhaul the maps app.

As Steve said...there truly are MANY MANY HUGE misconceptions about the iPhone.

To each his own :)

To whoever mentioned web browsin on HD vs iPhone...is it really better on the iPhone then? I have been wondering that. You always have to use your fingernails on the HD. And the slightly larger and far sharper screen are sure nice but...idk not if its slow and jumpy and a pain to hit links.

Thanks everyone! Happy debating! Hope I didn't piss off the ppl I was debating with but..I truly sincrely did not read your post, and for that I am sorry. Let's just agree to disagree. My point is that the iPhone 3G S is now vastly improved from what the 3G originally was and it now (I think / hope) fits my needs. I am a speed man and the combination of WM + HTC = suicide from frustration of always waiting...
[Touch HD General] jim256:
But for you I would like to jump in and say real quickly...idk if you are using OS 3.0, but it is VASTLY different. The 3G S also has a few significant hardware improvements so...I would recommend holding off for a bit on that decision. Just to be sure, I am going to wait. I am hanging on to my HD for sure in case the iPhone isn't what I think it is.

Just tryin to help.
[Touch HD General] maati:
As a developer I did use OS3.0, and of course I used all possible Jailbreak apps that adress some of the iPhone's shortcomings (like Backgrounder, iMobileCinema...) but still, I definitely prefer the Touch HD.

The 3GS does bring some things that I was missing before, like autofocus, voice control, 256MB RAM, but there's still plenty of missing features like downloading stuff from the internet, tethering, multitasking, easier file transfer/file system access and file transfer via bluetooth, a flash, a higher resolution display....

Maybe that I'd choose the 3GS over the Touch HD but soon after the 3GS is out, there's already a whole lot of new Windows Mobile devices coming with 8mpix cameras, gigahertz processors etc. (Samsung Omnia II, SE XPeria II, ...) and the 3GS will already be outdated again.

Why would I want a phone with outdated hardware (3mpix camera without flash vs 8mpix with flash, half VGA vs. WVGA...) that's just now finally getting features that WinMo has had for ages (like voice command, copy&paste, ...) but still lacks lots of features that I've taken for granted on Windows Mobile for years?

I'm not a gamer, so there's nothing that the iPhone can do and my Touch HD can't. Unlike the iPhone, the Touch HD does everything I need, it never lets me down in any situation (e.g. when I need to download a file or use tethering or real navigation software).
[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
Just a note to those that aren't developers here. The Fingernail argument is so last week. Microsoft released their WM 6.5 DTK, last week. (hehe see what I did there?) Anyway it contains new gesture APIs.

Also the new WM SDK is also due soon.
[Touch HD General] jim256:
Well as we all know the new iPhone has indeed been released.

Also just wanted to mention that I am selling them, and you can find my ad over in the marketplace sub - forum.

$680 shipped on eBay, $640 shipped outside eBay since I get to avoid fees.