yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
6 new

LIA_V13.5_21876_EXT

Sh3lby 1.5 Manila 2.5 WWE

XT_GRIDLEO_2_1B

FancyROM1.3

FancyROM2.3

Miri_WM65_21876_Premium_Manila_2.5_V13.0
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xet:
how about EnergyROM_23088_BLACKSTONE_12.Nov.2009_StandardM2.5 ? its a great rom and i d like to see how fast it is..

thanks

:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] michoob:
The benchmarks of Bobsbbq's WM 6.5 ROMs are getting closer and closer to the benchmarks of the Topix 3.x ROMs which are known to be fast WM 6.1 ROMs.

Are we entering an new era with fast 6.5 ROMs?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] maesus:
No, not yet. For Bobsbbq's, it's Extendir that gives the speed leap on file system. But for others like Laurentius and Dutty's, unless they reveal their secret recipe, other ROMs can only play catch ups, no disrespect to all other ROMs though.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I agree Dutty and Laurentis are doing a great job without extendir. I'm happy to be in 3 rd even without Extendir, I do think in the future the Extendir will become more prominent in ROM cooking. My results are from a ROM not optimized for Extendir but just the speed boost from using the .dll file. I have also seen in some other ROMS where really good use of the preset installer is being used to full advantage. I flashed a ROM for a friend on a LG KS20 and the cook placed a shorcut in Tools folder to Extendir Preset installer on the storage card and had a full preset ready to install all apps and all required programs and fixes and thems for M2D. It was very impressive. The biggest drawback on optimization is the time involved, and in a few days or a week you have a new build and have to make all new cabs for the optimization.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
1 new

Hd_wm65_v78_b21876com2
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] farkah:
Being able to make a light rom is a very neat task. you would be the type who would purchase a chicken which has been caged all its life, lives in its own piss and crap and tastes horrible - rather than finding the greatest tasting chicken that has been able to fly free upon which to build the soup.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Being a vegetarian/half-vegan, I would prefer a soup without any chicken at all! ;) :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
3 new

TOUCH_HD_MARYONE_21877_191109

TOUCH_HD_MARYONE_23506_191109

Sh3lby_1.6_M25M_WWE
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bgumble:
I like this thread alot and would like to thank you for all your work!

My ROM for more than a week is from TranMinhMan and I'm really happy with it: bugfree (for the functions I use) and fast

[ROM][PDAVIET][11.11.09]BLACKSTONE - PDAVIET ROM WM6.5 (Core 23088) by T2M

(there are already 2 updates available)

For some reason it's not tested, yet.

Could you test it/them, please? :o
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
4 new

BLACKSTONE - PDAVIET ROM WM6.5 (Core 23088) by T2M

Xnor 1.2

Sh3lby_1.7_M25_WWE

GRID_LEO_2_2B
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rm001:
Greetings. Thanks you for your work, it is very interesting and important for all enthusiasts. We in Russia and in other Russian-speaking countries very actively discuss the themes concerning ROM cooking. But in your theme there is no Russian ROMs. And I am not the computer expert. Could someone make you for us test of these ROMs? They are most popular for us in Russia.

- http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=119115&view=findpost&p=3368660

- http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?s=&showtopic=127542&view=findpost&p=3368099

- http://rapidshare.com/files/272019035/Touch_HD_1.05.01.RB_Standart.rar

- http://rapidshare.com/files/307344433/Touch_HD_3.06.00.RB_Standart.rar

- http://rapidshare.com/files/241032308/Korand_HD_1_1.7z

- http://4pda.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=124563&view=findpost&p=3396551

- http://narod.ru/disk/14271159000/Asche_1.06_Rodium.rar.html

... and this one, without Manila:

http://old.pdateam.org//index.php?showtopic=31609&view=findpost&p=310093

Thanks in advance . We will wait for results with huge impatience!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xet:
how about EnergyROM_28002_BLACKSTONE_20.Nov.2009_StandardM2. 5 ? :p its a very popular rom and i think is a bit slow compared to lost in asia , dutty or laurentius but i can not know for sure.. :p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
sorry but it's a lot for one person

Sorry, I'm doing a lot of test and it's very time consuming.

The process is described at the first page of this thread. You can do it by your self and publish them by adding them in the file. It's only two soft to install and for each soft one serie of bench to launch and then collect the results and put them in the last version of our excel sheet.

if you have questions on the process or anything else, you can send me a PM.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rm001:
Thank you. I`ll try to do it myself, it really seems to be not so difficult. Could you please erase my inquiry not to litter this thread?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xet:
anyone for 28002 roms ?? :p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
1 new

BLACKSTONE - PDAVIET ROM WM6.5 (Core 28002) by T2M
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
2 new

Eclipse_1.1

Kwbr_Rhodium_09.11.22
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
2 comming soon.

Touch_hd_wwe_21882_231109

touch_hd_maryone_wwe_23510_231109
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ogredani:
Could you also include [WWE][25-11-09] Lost in Asia V14.0_WM6.5 28004 ? :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Pretenderr:
yes please!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KukurikU:
why are so personal? yr assumptions about "my type" are completely unnecessary and rude. we are here to discuss about ROMs and WM and not insult each other. each one is untitled to his opinion. i can guess why and what REALLY bothers you but... i'll pass. send my regards to onkolog!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Just noticed your post after response in above post. These sort of responses are not acceptable in XDA. If you continue in this manner you will be no longer welcome and a ban will be heading your way. Please try and treat everyone as you would like to be treated. Consider this your first and last warning.

Rick
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ckong1:
Very interested in seeing benchmarks from 28002 and 28004 builds. Specifically:

sh3lby 1.8, 1.9

PhamQuang v79 & v80

This is a great thread, thanks to daeron and other testers.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Added: EnergyROM "Phoenix 2" 28004

And did some maintenance work on the data... ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] _sasa_:
Does synthetic tests aligned with real impressions on performance?

Actually however I've tried many ROM still I can't really find the best one for myself. I was looking for a ROM that has great response time (no lag) with full day usage. OK, we're talking about windows OS basically, so I can deal with restart it every morning, but a few of the ROMs are slowing down dramatically after a few hours. I can't really use special software, some RESCO things, TCMD, coreplayer sometimes, but basically using for daily business. So due to my preference is being finger friendly I've switched to WM6.5 (I've lost 4 stylus during half a year) but sometimes memory and/or battery drainage, sometimes small but annoying bugs have destroyed the trust some chef's further ROM's (if I couldn't switch to numeric keyboard at all, or kb. typed different character that would be when I tried to pair BT car kit is I think infuriating).

I would say that synthetic tests are not really a good base to decide usability of the ROM, however figures are comparable better than feelings or subjective impression. But maybe it would be better for some person with my attitude to have feedback for the ROMs with the same logic as for example in use for EBAY feedback (vote on 1-5 or 1-10 scale the different abilities like battery time, response, reliability, software 'endowment', design, etc...) So after a few feedback there would be a good overall score on each category, so no surprise if a hype designed animated ROM works slow on writing SMS...

All in all the benchmark is great, I was impressed about the high amount of tested ROM and I know it has taken many hours to do and summarize, so the job is highly appreciated... but does anybody know which ROM would be the best to use for simple tasks with the less stylus operation and relatively good battery time with great performance :rolleyes: Or just try the higher score WM 6,5 that is actually Lost in ASIA 13,5...?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ogredani:
That's what all the ROM threads are for. ;)

That is very difficult to isolate since the battery perfomance depends heavily on for instance radio and location. In a region where my phone is struggeling to try and find the strongest network, my battery gets drained FAST! Regardless of ROM. Sure, you could argue that

one

user defines a location, radio and network. But, the next parameter is time (not mentioning that we lock ourselves to one user to do all the tests). The reception level also depends on weather, as well as the current power of the cellular radio stations. Gets complicated quite quickly here. :)

When it comes to more controlled internal stuff such as memory leaking...I don't know how you could test that.

However, I do agree that an "ebay" voting system for a defined set of parameters would be nice. Anyone here that is up for it? :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] noris08:
count me in:)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
LIA14

Lia_v14.0_28004_ext
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] thinkpader:
Another one here too :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
The only problem I see with a Ebay style voting system is it is too subjective. Everyone has different taste so what is good for one may not be for another. So it can make unfairly negative marks or views on a persons ROM which maybe misleading to other potential users.

It is also against forum rules to make subjective or suggestive reports based on opinion. This thread has barely stayed alive because it stick to a standard set of test and leaves the decision up to the users. The moment you start adding in the personal opinions of users, problems will follow for sure.

Don't get me wrong I see the benefit in such a thing but it is not going to work here.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
+1

Don't see it happening without major controversy - if the mods tolerate it at all...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] _sasa_:
Yepp, maybe E-bay example is not the best one, however my opinion is that synthetic tests are the opposite side for normal users (does somebody can explain for example that how "alpha texture" figure is effecting to UI speed really). Sure, subjectivity - without control - can destroy the reputation of some ROM for a lot of people, but there should be a balanced way between the ends that would be really helpful for many people.

I guess a poll would give the real interest about it before doing anything (I'd be curious about the chefs' opinion first, how could this kind of feedback helps their job ), but I think it is a kind of way to improve. I fully agree about convert subjectivity to numbers is one of the hardest thing in the world, but far not impossible. (I'm doing the same thing in my work, so trust me it is possible) ;)

Otherwise as I recognised the smart-phone or touch-phone business are driven by usability and reliability before brute force of HW, or technical specification (Iphone for example haven't been advertised with CPU speed ever). I'm using WM phones in the last 4 years, and I like it because is the most customizable OS (I've tried other leading solutions as well). So optimisation for real customer needs is widely considered as a driver of the improvement of manufacturers, and subjective impression is the main part for that. To keep it absolutely ignored for us would be pity...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Believe me I understand your view completely, that's why I voted the way I did in the Poll. But to even my surprise this thread has been a good use to some people. Is is a good real world user test, No. But it is what it is.

What you are looking for would be better done on a Blog site rather than a forum and it would be a good idea. But it will not work here on xda, trust me.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] binh_hdda:
I try to find this ROM :[WWE][Nov.24] Vanilla Series Rhodium [5.2.21876][1.56.405] but maybe nobody tests. pls check speed of that ROM. Thanks
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Ogredani:
You have to take it for what it is. I as a reader will trust hard core facts more than another user's subjective opinion, BUT it adds additional information to the equation, even though I don't put as much value into subjective opinions. Another thing is that this test only reflects how the ROM is working when it's working. A buggy ROM could easily pass this test.

Another "soft" comparison system would be in another thread. ;)

All people put their subjective thoughts into the forum all the time. The idea was just to organize it better. Comments such as "Thanks for this wonderful ROM! It's sooo fast!" is typically subjective, since I don't believe every user is cabable of separating their excitement/expectation of a new ROM and the true case, but comments like that are posted as soon as a new ROM is out there and people read them.

Btw, my next ROM will be your LiA V14, all thanks to this benchmark thread. So don't think I undermine this thread. ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] maesus:
Blackstone vs Topaz

I took a look at Topaz benchmark result, http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=510385

1. CPU test - speed is very much the same.

2. File system - Topaz is a tad faster than Blackstone. Why? :confused: Is it Topaz use a faster RAM chip?

3. Graphics - most Blackstone doesn't run Test 3 (1ms) but Topaz doesn't run Test 1 (0ms) and Test 3 (1ms). Different graphics driver/ROM implementation or different HW chip?

4. CPU + RAM (such as ZIP test) - Topaz is again slightly faster than Blackstone, this makes the suggestion that Topaz has faster RAM chip than Blackstone a stronger point.

Or could it be different XIP in Topaz that was further optimized for better RAM performance?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] demo1987:
Please benchmark the new Topix 3.2 WM6.5 Rom. I would like to know it's benchmarks
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Will do! I want to flash that ROM anyway! ;)

EDIT: I didn't have to, Giacominos was faster! Thanx for sending us the test results, Giacominos!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
2

Eclipse_2.0

EnergyROM_28005_BLACKSTONE_27.Nov.2009_StandardM2.5
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Added results for: PDAVIET ROM WM6.5 (Core 28009)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] WM_Manu:
How can i download this? Help please
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Domskibus:
Just check out the post above you
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] corwin_de_amber:
Could you, please, benchmark LIA V14.5 21882 Extendir.

LIA_V14.5_28005_EXT is already in, but 21882 seems to be much faster.

Thanks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Actually just flashed that ROM by coincedence! xD

Will add the results in a sec!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] corwin_de_amber:
Wow! It was fast :)

Thanks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Added results for: Lost in Asia v14.5 EXT 21882

The overall results are almost EXACTLY the same for the 21882 build and the 28005 build... Don't know, what that means... Isn't this a bit unexpected?! :confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Added results for: GRID EVO 1.6
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] WM_Manu:
There are only Matrix Trailers^^ how can i download this ROM???
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
This is not a ROM!

This thread is about comparing benchmarks of different ROMs!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fata|ity:
i am from china，with llitter English。

so，i don‘t understand what are you taking about ，buddy，hiahia~~~~~
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
If you do not understand, use a free translator online. What don't you understand?

如果您不瞭解，在網上使用一個自由譯者。 您不瞭解什麼？
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jigners:
Please, if you dont mind and have time, to do a benchmark for the new Topix which Kwbr will be releasing tomorrow. THANK YOU SO MUCH
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Topix is my favorite... So I'll be flashing his ROM anyway! ;)

But I don't know, if I'll get around to benchmarking it right away... We'll see!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
LIA_21884_EXT comming

Lia_21884_ext
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Blessed HD:
I know it's your favorite & I always wait for your benchmark with every new TOPIX release.. :D

Thanks mate.. God bless you all ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Here's the benchmark for Topix 3.2.1!

Actually not that impressive - very suprising, since Kwbr's ROMs usually are among the top few! :confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] keni:
Just flashed the new EnergyRom 28011... Would love to know what speed that is showing up as...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] celestial123:
request for a comparision

i will be glad if you guys compare EnergyROM "Leo" 28011/21884 |Dec 13| and [08/12/09] XannyTechROM GRID EVO 1.6 (SYS 28011) (They both are latest releases) I am not familiar with these kind of staff and as you know, nowadays speed is even more important for all of us because of manila 2.5 performance on HD. I want to find out which of these ROMS are faster. Thank you very much.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Blessed HD:
hmmmmm

Well, don't forget that kwbr is cooking his latest ROMs without his blackstone in hand!

He replaced his HD with an HD2 :(

Still, kwbr's ROMs are among the best, but hope the latest version is smoother.. (3.2.3)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Matthes42:
You know that kwbr has moved to WM 6.5. That´s the main reason, why his ROMS are getting slower. As long as there is no real developement for drivers for the blackstone for WM 6.5 the fastest ROMs will be under WM 6.1

You have the choice between speed and comfort
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
I know he switched to 6.5 - but I'm not comparing his 6.5 ROMs to his 6.1 ROMs!

Topix 3.2: 78,53

Topix 3.2.1: 75,15

Both are 6.5 - and that's a significant change! It just was unexpected... I'm still sticking with 3.2.1 because it feels super smooth and is just the way I want a ROM to be. :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] :
will there be a benchmark on topix 3.2.3, i'm curious to see if the speed improves
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Aren't 3.2.1 and 3.2.3 the same WM build? Hasn't Kwbr only applied a few bug fixes? If so, the speed won't be any different! ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] michoob:
Nope, Topix 3.2.1 is 21884 and Topix 3.2.3 is 21885, but I don't think it changes something on the speed...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
gone for a HD2

It was a very good experience to participate to these test.I changed my phone for a HD2.

So I'll stop my test on HD.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Let us know your experience with the HD2. Is it really worth the upgrade? I mean other than the fact it is a newer device, are the benchmarks any better than the HD?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
You should watch one of the video reviews on the HD 2 on youtube... The HD2 is more than twice as fast as the HD - and you notice it immediately when using it: Everything is extremely smooth and snappy! It's a completely different league! :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Blessed HD:
One more good member of the blackstone team.. gone for the LEO :(

Congrats on the new device, hope you enjoy it ;) thanks for all your contributions.

(having the urge to switch to HD2, but I'll see what 2010 brings...)

@MAMeingast

BTW, not only that the OS builds are different, but the screen drivers are optimized! Perhaps that's why I noticed a little more smoothness ..

But.. you're the experts :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Cool, can you benchmark yours and put it up on the sheet for us who want one but can't yet afford it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
I wish! I wish I had one! But I'll have to wait until February until my contract ends... ;)

But look at this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5o6tj7yFBQ

It's soooo snappy! :D

EDIT: BTW, it is more than twice as fast because the cpu is running at double the frequency AND the snapdragon processor is faster by itself. So comparing a 512 MHz snapdragon device to one of our HD's would already show quite a performance difference... Let alone the 1 GHz CPU the HD2 has...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] houms:
yes !

Yes, it's really a great pleasure: it's very very fast even compared to the fast roms of our benchmarck and even with the initial rom I have on my HD2 which is probably not very optimized (it's usually the case on first official roms).

I'm really happy with it.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daeron.be:
I'd really like to thank you Houms for all your work on this project. Without you we I wouldn't have gone past 100 roms :) Glad to work with you all that time.

Cheers.

Offtop:

If any of you wondered why I stopped contributing to this small project there's an answer: I've bought myself an 3g iphone. And it's literally FAR better than any htc phone I've used so far. Well, there are some downsides, like you cannot record your calls or you have to migrate from some apps. And those are the only reasons I can find right now. But anyway, this led flash seems pretty cool though :).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
+1!!

HERESY!!! Burn the witch!!! ;) :D

No, but serious: How is multitasking on the iphone? Because that is the most negative aspect of the iphone I know...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] daeron.be:
ot:

Once you jailbreak, which is a must have, you can use backgrounder. The only problem is to little ram in 3g, which is no problem on 3gs. I've been using htc phones for few years and it took me less than a month to be able to do everything faster/better on iphone. But if there wasn't cydia/jailbreaking, it'd completely sux to me. But once you install apps you should, it's far better than anything htc I've seen so far.

And it's unix.

cheers
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] soldier_ant:
hello ....

i am very new to HTC Blackstone .... been using fujitsu siemens pocket loox t830 for the past 2 years and few months .....

i would love to sit and test all ROM's but id like your help to start of with ...

i know no ROM can be the best .... but from all your experiences i would like to know which W.M. 6.5 is more stable than others ....

do you think W.M.7 would b cooked for the Blackstone when is its expected release.

thank you
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] soldier_ant:
are you for real ..... the iphone is really better than a windows phone .... how how how how .... there is more apps for a windows phone ... its just the touch screen thats good on the phone coz it works on static .... otherwise i dunno i really dont think it is cool at all ...... as with all apple ... it always been and will be a device for the rich dumb/lazy person .....

im sure dumb/lazy doesnt reffer to you at all ..... then how is it better .... im sure how windows 7 killed mac snow leopord and ate it .... wm7 will do the same .... lets say after windows 7 for p.c i have regained my hope on microsoft.....
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MAMeingast:
Update:

Added results for Lost in Asia v16.1 (new branch-build 21616).