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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stan23:
Raphael stops charging in iGO 8

Hi,

I'm totally impressed of the TMC reception of my device, it's absolutely great :)

But there's a small problem:

after some time (15 to 30 minutes), my Raphael stops charging. It's also very hot, hotter than just charging + using GPS.

We're driving to Spain in september (2000 km one way), so it would be great to use TMC the whole way :D

I'm using:

- iGO 8.3.2.64873 directly running from Storage Card.

- HyperGPS Beta 8

- original HTC YC-A300 and stock headset

- ROM: EnergyROM Warhawk WM 6.5 (SYS 23016)[/URL]

- Radio: 1.02.25.19, Protocol: 52.33.25.17H (stock HTC Germany)

It doesn't matter if I start HyperGPS and then iGO manually or use the HyperGPSClient.

And if it stops charging, it won't start chraging again, even if it quit iGO and HyperGPS. Only a soft reset helps. My Raphael detects the charger (I can see it at the backlight).

Is there anything I can try?

Oh and btw:

neigther the HTC quick menu task manager nor the built-in task manager of AEButton+ can detect the iGO window and switch to it. How do the others switch from and to iGO?

btw, a donation is on it's way :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

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Thanks to Mate T. and Marco G. for their donations.

Now that HyperGPS seems to be stable, I'm working on make it more reliable, specially on auto search, and I'm doing it thanks to you ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] :
Maybe the charging stops because of the heat. Dunno if Raphael possesses some kind of overheat protection?! The heat itself might be related to the ROM (or RADIO) you are using?! (The RADIO you are using seems not to be the recommended one for this ROM) .. Is it in anyway overclocked?

I can't see iGo in the taskmanager either. But if you press the red-phone button while running it, you get back to manila (or whatever interface you are using) and iGo is running in the background. If you start iGo again, you will find that it starts quite quickly and at the latest state where you 'terminated' it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] L_o_k_i:
Hi

Do you have the same problem without using HyperGPS? Can you make the same test without using the HTC YC-A300.

If iGO is minimized, you can have it back:

- by running it again from the start menu

- or by clicking on its minimized icon in the today screen. You can have access to the today screen by disabling TF3D2
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stan23:
Thanks for your replies.

My ROM (EnergyROM 'Warhawk') is optimized for speed, but AFAIK not actively overclocked. Device Info shows 528 MHz (not sure if this shows the actual frequency).

But if there were an temperature sensor which prevents charging while overheating, why would it charge directly after an soft reset?

Without HyperGPS (just iGO with or without the YC-A300) there's no problem.

I'll try with HyperGPS but without the YC-A300 - and without radio reception ;)

My Raphael did heat up during charging and GPS usage from the first day, I was using Tomtom that time. Well it heats up with iGO as well, but with TMC there's a not-so-small amount of extra heat ;)

Minimizing by red button (or Menu -> Exit -> Minimize) and "restarting" iGO is what I do already, I just thought it could be tweaked by the settings file (there seems to be a large amount of possibilities though).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mv0hra:
Excellent work Beemer. This is my first attempt at using this software, but it seems not to work with Navigon 7.4.3, however I believe this to be a Navigon issue and not your software.

Would it be possible to develop something like this but instead of relying on Radio information maybe the TMC can be downloaded via the Internet. This would help eliminate the need for the headphone to be plugged in and having to keep a spare one on you at times of need.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] L_o_k_i:
You can connect your usb headset directly on your device to have the radio reception. But I'm not sure the YC-A300 is the problem.

It's a known "problem" with HyperGPS. Charging your device while running iGO and HyperGPS makes it hotter than normal. My device is in front of the air conditioning output :D. That way it stays cool.

iGO is not closed when you minimize it! I use TouchFlo Detacher (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=480475) to have access to the today screen. That way I can restore iGO after I minimize it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] atomera:
i have the same problem as stan23.

i´m using a touch diamond and the usb adaptor as described.

try to replace the battery with a new one, somehow that helped me , making me think that the discharge due to the power drain by hxpergps+telephone+gps+igo8 is in balance with the charging power trough the car- if the battery is defective or overused - it only discharges - however that does not give a solution for the problem that the battery isn´t charged at all and is after a reset.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ecky:
I use HyperGPS Beta 8 with XPERIA and MN 7.3.4

I have testet 3 different power cords. Only with one of them I get TMC Messages. But with the original XPERIA Radio-Appliction get the same results (no RDS data).

I also tested an external mobile charger and get also no TMC signal. Then I changed the shipped USB wire with original SE USB charge wire and get constant TMC signal.

So I dont think there is a problem with HyperGPS but with hardware. But I am wondering that someones post that in prior versions there are no problems with TMC signal and power cords?

Greetings, ecky
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Medusar:
I don't believe that the combination of hypergps + telephone + gps is in balance with the charging power from the car, assuming that it's charging with a 5V 1A current. If that were the case, my Topaz would run out of power in exactly 1.1 hour when running on its battery (1100 mAh). It certainly lasts longer than that. (haven't tried yet how long it does last though).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dbox2:
@BeemerTPPC: Great project!!

There's only one problem using HyperGPS with my Topaz, when the Topaz is in charging mode, the HyperGPS gets no signal. When not in charging mode, all works fine! Tried different roms, different radio roms, different hyperGPS versions, different power supply's, 2 connectors I've explained the problem in: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4349454&postcount=13
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
Best way to know the total consumption is to use a program that shows it. I have developed two, KaiserMonitor and TodayWarrior. The second is old, but does its work. The first one is under revision, but if you want it I can post it here.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stan23:
Yeah, but that way it will surely not charge, and not charging is my problem here ;)

I don't think you can calculate it that way. Neither will the battery serve 1 A over 1.1 hours (not at that current), nor does the charging circuit really pass 1 A to the battery or the device itself.

But on the other side, my Raphael runs out of battery after 45 to 90 minutes. I didn't really count the time.

@ beemer:

please post it!

And would the log from HyperGPS show if it stops charging or something like that?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
Really this one is not very useful for this because shows consumption in 100mA steps. It is better that you use TodayWarrior.

But if you want, use this file. The explanation could be found here:

http://personales.ya.com/beemer/xscalemonitor.htm
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] L_o_k_i:
Yeah, you're wright... must be tired these days!:o:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NuroPreak:
I'm having the same problem, i tested a self made antenna cable without charging the phone and everything works fine, but if i connect my charger the strength is decreasing to a level i can barely receive TMC / RDS information. The used charger is a brodit active holder and is connected to pin 1 and 4 and 5, used pinout is:

pin1 = 5V

pin4 = pin5=ground

I don't know if the bridge pin4=pin5 is causing this behaviour, but when i stripped the car charger, it also had this pinout. I'm having a topaz aswell.

EDIT: Pin 4 is used to recognize original charger when connected to ground (pin 5)

RSSI level is around 12 - 14 in XRadio 0.4
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dbox2:
@NuroPreak: I've tried it with only pin 1, pin 5 and pin 7 for the antenna, no bridge. Unfortunately it didn't work.. So the bridge is not the problem.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NuroPreak:
I guess most chargers use a switched-mode power supply to get the desired 5V, by nature these smps produce lots of HF noise. Only way to get rid of it is by filtering those high frequency's at the output of the charger. I guess mine doesn't filter enough so going to try to modify it tomorrow
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
I wrote a small utility long time ago that could be ideal for battery consumprtion testing:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=374265&highlight=KaiserBattTest

It logs to a file the battery events, current consumption and battery temperature. Test the navigation program with and without the use of HyperGPS and in baterry and AC modes and you will see the exact differences.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dbox2:
@NuroPreak: I've already tried making a filter (see attachment) for the output of the power supply, unfortunately it makes no difference on the tmc signal.

Maybe it's a software problem? in the windowsmobile->settings->energy there is an option you can select that the phone does not go in charging mode when connected to a PC). Then the TMC signal is back! (the phone doesn't charge the battery then). If you unselect the option, the tmc signal is gone and the phone is charging the battery.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
I don't think so. I still think that is a ground issue, that the power ground is attached to the headphones ground (antenna), but seems that if you disable the charging it soesn't affect.

See may post several pages ago with a headset scematic. I think PIN 7 or 8 (I don't remember now) must be disconnected from pin 4/5
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dbox2:
I bought a new connector from the sparkfun company and I'm sure (measured it) that I've only used pin 1 and 5 for the charging and pin 7 for the antenna. There isn't any connection between GND and the antenna (pin 7). So that can't be the problem.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stan23:
Are you sure about the 100 mA step size? Or do you mean that it won't display less than 100 mA?

See my attached analysis, I just charged my Raphael using the stock HTC mains charger.

Is it the current flowing into/out of the battery?

btw, KaiserMonitor doesn't really work in VGA mode, the window is shifted upwards some pixels, resulting in a bit hidden behind the top bar and a transparent bar at the bottom, between the KaiserMonitor text display and the soft keys.

I'm measuring the current consumption of iGO+HyperGPS right now...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
Yes it shows <100, <200mA, etc.

Your device charge at 800mA, will generate some heat, but the big heat cames from other side:

Do the test without charging and with the route in "demo" node (takes more CPU).

Then do the same without HyperGPS.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stan23:
Sorry, I have to disagree: it really shows all values in 1 mA steps.

I've left my device at the window overnight, with HyperGPS running (it did receive TMC messages) and iGO planning a 2000 km route and waiting that I'lll start to drive.

It seems that the battery instantly started to drain until it was at 4% and then started to charge again.

Is there a tool that can show why the battery is charged or why not?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NuroPreak:
UPDATE: I had a look at the used charger circuit and measured the output with an oscilloscope and found out my switcher is swiching at 330kHz with not so much noise but the signal did contain a lot of higher harmonics which could disturb the FM signal, so i placed a big capacitor (1uF) at the output. Even better was to use a pi filter but i didn't have a right sized inductor, so took my device for a test run and guess what i could receive TMC information :)

Next step is to order a 13-wires containing cable and hookup the topaz to aux of car radio and the antenna to the car antenna.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NuroPreak:
Pin 7 isn't connected to same ground as pin 4 and 5 and still couldn't receive info. Its the way most chargers works, its generating a DC voltage with an AC rimple on it, with higher harmonics i guess.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] schmeichler:
could you explain this in more detail - perhaps a small circuit diagram - for people that do not have a clue of electronic components but might be able to solder-by-guide ;)

and maybe you would like to add your findings here

thx
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NuroPreak:
My charger (brodit active) is using this IC (MP1591) to convert the 12V to 5V and can be a source of high frequency noise. So what I did was simply put a quite large capacitor at the output of the IC. Datasheet can be found here:

http://www.monolithicpower.com/files/solutions/MP1591_r2.1.pdf

On page 9 figure 4 can be seen how the circuit works i placed the capacitor parallel to C5, as hf noise should be removed as close to the source as possible. No garantees it works for other people, but its worth a try.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] franco51379:
HTC touch HD, Hypergps 8 und Mn 7.3.1

ich habe folgendes Problem, wenn das Ladekabel angeschlossen wird erkennt er Hypergps aber der empfang geht runter und er findet keine TMC Meldungen mehr , gehe ich wieder in den Aku Betriebe findet er wieder Neue TMC Meldungen und der Empfang ist wieder da, ich Denke das ist vielen noch garnicht auf gefallen.

Hat jemand eine Lösung für das Problem.

das habe ich auch Schon Getestet.

http://www.amazon.de/HTC-baugleiche...precheinrichtung/dp/B001ID9AHM/ref=pd_cp_ce_2

geht aber auch nicht.

HTC Touch HD, Hypergps 8 and Mn 7.3.1

I have the following problem when the charger is connected Hypergps but he recognizes the receiving goes down and he finds no TMC messages anymore, I'll go back to the Aku companies he finds new TMC messages and the reception is back, I think that's still not at the many fallen.

Has anyone a solution to the problem.

I've also tested early.

http://www.amazon.de/HTC-baugleiche-Converter-Kopfh% C3% B6rer-Freisprecheinrichtung/dp/B001ID9AHM/ref = pd_cp_ce_2

But is not it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] schmeichler:
hey franco - try reading the last couple of posts!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] remko:
I would say, start at page 1, because this has been an issue since the very first beginning of HyperGPS and has been discussed very very often...

Grtz Remko
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] franco51379:
ich kann nicht so gut englisch ,aber ich werde es versuchen.

I can not so good English, but I'll try.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] smd1tech:
hi, benutz doch einfach die BETA 5

habe dies im post #1610 beschrieben
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] :
this must be device related! ... as this adapter is working flawlessly with my polaris... then again it is strange, that beta 5 seems to work with other devices...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

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Thanks to Lutz K. For his donation. I'm working hard on next version thanks to you!,
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Jujulian:
TMC for my Diamond!

Sounds great :-).

Does anybody have experience with Nav N Go iGO Amigo - Build 8.4.2.95590?

I installed this one after is used IGO 8.0 for quit a while....

Well but does TMC also works with this version?

`Cause I dont see where TMC and warnings or shown or any setup page to configure it...

Cheers

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After adding these informations to the systems.ini it works like a charm =)

[tmc]

saved_config_available="1"

saved_config_classname="NMEA_GPSTMC_ROYALTEK"

saved_config_portname="COM"

saved_config_port="9"

saved_last_tuning_mode="1"

auto_tuning="1"
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sebjean:
Great thanks:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

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Thanks to Kévin L. for his donation. Great to see that this software is useful!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] KlausDo:
Hello beemerTPPC,

thanks for that good peace of work. It´s very impressing.

Yesterday I tested this configuration:

Diamond2 as is.

MN 6.2.5 - latest update via "freshmaps", if you found that one. Fast patched for 800x480.

After installing the cab and without any manual, I got the tmc running after coping some time with the parameters. (may be one can find a manual oder how-to on the board -- ok - I spent some time searching and reading today ;-) ). 2 screenshots in the attachment.

I´am looking forward to the final version :)

When I will get my Omnia II i8000 next month, this will become one of my favorit drivers with the MN6. :);)

I was just looking for other navi-progs that deliver TMC OTA. But now I will stay with my old friend MN6 :p
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kevin8622:
You're lucky, today I'm sick so I stayed at home lol. I remembered be this thread and that I didn't donate to you !! Your software is so useful and works very well. I'm happy to use TMC on my device, you did a wonderful work :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mapi12345:
So great!!!!! I use it on my Xperia X1 with igo8 and it works without any problems. I was looking so long for something like this! :)

Thanx - donation is on the way
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bbogdann:
Any chance to work with Artemis? (P3300)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

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Thanks to Marc W. and Mario W. for their donations. Great to know that this program is useful for you!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] stan23:
Concerning the stops charging problems:

you were right, it's because of the heat. I've done some measurements with BattLog and it seems that Raphael stops charging when the battery temperature rises above 50°C. However, it continues to charge below 44-45°C.

But during the measurements, the battery percentage didn't rise, it stayed at 50% resp. 70%. Seems like my charger does not supply enough current to serve full brightness, iGO, GPS and TMC :)

But I have another two chargers and will check them.

Anyway, on our 2000 km holiday trip to Spain Raphael will be sitting right next to the output of the air conditioning :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] foulke:
Yup, Stan23.

I confirm.

And beta 8 now works for me !

When the device is hot, it also has some trouble finding the TMC stations.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tjex:
Has anyone gotten a this to work?

I'm getting:

"CA-TMC no key"

then

"TMC State Unkown"

on both the listed radio channels:

http://tinyurl.com/no9aur

Any suggestions?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] L_o_k_i:
@tjex

I think it's a license problem. Can you check in settings/about/world icon/key icon what you've got on the TMC line.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] battlestar99:
HTC Touch pro

Hallo,

die Software funktioniert leider nur dann gut, wenn kein Strom angeschlossen ist. Im Auto ist dies aber für mich sehr wichtig. Ich habe im Auto einmal das Radio meines HTC Touch pro getestet - der Empfang wird hier nicht gestört, wenn ich den Ladevorgang einschalte. Als Adaper nutze ich das externe Audio-Modul YC-A300 von HTC. Wieso geht dann aber der Empfang von HyperGPS verloren, wenn es mit dem Radio funktioniert?

Ich nutze MN7.3.1 und leider läuft die Navi-Software auch nicht mehr fließend, sondern aller 2 Sekunden verschwindet kurz die obere Statusanzeige.

System:

HTC Touch pro; WM6.1 Prof (Build 20771.1.4.6); ROM 5.11.162.1 GER (vodafone); POI-Warner für MN7 V3.20.3504; MN7.3.1; COM4:4800

HyperGPS_WM6_B8; COM8:4800; CCIR;TMC+GPS Data; Speaker; Tuned sound; Data logged; GNS

Ich möchte mich auch für die Entwicklung der Software bedanken und gern eine kleine Spende senden.

Hello,

unfortunately, the software only works well when no electricity is connected. In the car, but this is very important to me. I tested the car again on the radio in my HTC Touch pro - the reception is not disturbed here, when I turn on the charging process. Adaper When I use the external audio module YC-A300 from HTC. Why then is but the reception of HyperGPS lost if it works with the radio?

I use MN7.3.1 and unfortunately the Navi Software runs disappears no longer fluid, but 2 seconds short of the upper status display.

System:

HTC touch pro; Prof WM6.1 (Build 20771.1.4.6), ROM 5.11.162.1 GER (vodafone), POI-Warner for MN7 V3.20.3504; MN7.3.1; COM4:4800

HyperGPS_WM6_B8; COM8:4800, CCIR, TMC + GPS Data; Speaker; Tuned sound; data logged, GNS

I also want to thank for the development of the software and happy to send a small donation.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pego2007:
No TMC with the adapter

@

Lokk here for Questions in German (German Forum):http://www.gsmfreeboard.com/forumdisplay.php?f=176

greets from germany

pego2007
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] twanj:
Amigo question

Hello people,

i have the new hypergps working with both igo and amigo.

I really like the looks of amigo, and the simplicity.

However igo has got a auto tuner which locates the freq itself, a feature Amigo misses. Can anybody tell me whether it is possible to inplement something in amigo so that i searches for a tmc station itself?

At the moment a have to keep looking for different stations when i am driving around :(

I live in the Netherlands, maybe it is just a matter of location and i am the only one with this problem:)

Grtz Twanj
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] faeArai:
Antenna

Hi folks,

today I accidentally noticed that the original extUSB cable that was shipped with my Touch Pro works as antenna and I get traffic messages all time on. And I have a high signal, too.

So before you start looking on ebay to get some cheap adapter, try it out.

Notice: The HTC-Radio-App won't work. But TMC does!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] IBX1:
Other useful data via RDS

@All

Some radio stations transmit correction data for GPS.

(GPS + RTCM => DPGS)

So far I only have links to german pages:

http://www.qsl.net/dk7in/RASANT.html

http://www.qsl.net/dk7in/RTCM.html

http://www.sapos.de/

added:

http://www.galitzki.de/rasant3.htm RDS group information, ...

http://www.lverma.nrw.de/produkte/raumbezug/sapos/dienste/images/rasant11.pdf (german)

http://www.lverma.nrw.de/produkte/raumbezug/sapos/dienste/images/RASANTenglishpdf.pdf (english)

http://www.lverma.nrw.de/produkte/raumbezug/sapos/dienste/images/rasant18.pdf Many references to documents and sites (some in english):

http://www.rds.org.uk/rdsfnewsworld02.html

http://www.lverma.nrw.de/produkte/raumbezug/sapos/dienste/EPS.htm This sounds bad news: it seems that this service via RDS will end end of 2009! Can anybody verify this?

Who has more information about this (in english)?

What about other countries?

Ok, a DGPS is not very interesting for normal navigation, but if you do tracking for example for OSM (www.OpenStreetMap.org), it is.

@ beemerTPPC

Still have the problem with hoping between one bar and full reception in MN7. Should I create any logfile for you?

Thanks,

IBX1
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cozmoc:
The tmc does not working on my device :(

How can I solve this prroblem?

You can found my device specs in my signature.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

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Thanks to Bram M. for his donation. I'll start to work again on this tomorrow. Last week I was very busy with other project...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] NuroPreak:
Beemer are there options to create a better auto search in Igo8, because for me its scanning to fast and only detecting a TMC station once in a while. Another way would be set in hypergps a list of known tmc frequencies and let auto search in igo cycle those with a timeout of 1 or 2 minutes?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] faaxir:
thanks for this great app. work fine with Touch Pro + iGo8. :D