yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] big nu:
thanks for your input zeezee, but i work hand and hand w/ the author and he and i agreed on posting this thread.. fyi he's not the only one that isnt crazy about people porting other peoples work and w/ all the themes we have on this forum, and all the new builds that are out, this is a subject that needed to be clarified...
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] knight4linux:
Hey hypocrites...do you see google posting to this board that we "ruined the consistency of there theme" or "don't want us to ruin our phones w/ hackware and then ask them questions when a jf/haykuro/dude port messed them up." NO, I didn't think so. You should be grateful someone likes your theme enough to port it. You don't own your theme...this is a community involved project (developing for this phone as a whole). You can't TM Or copyright a theme on a hacked phone and the notion that you would if you could is beyond me. Bottom line is if the credit is given to the origonal dev it should be ok....except for Manups (and that's only done out of respect). This thread has so far made me sick and I don't have a strong gag reflex.

Can you honestly imagine if more themers/devs thought this way? Xda wouldn't be!

Here's a motto to live by in this type of community setting. "Why write code twice" meaning if somethings out there you can improve on, use it giving credit where due...but WHY would you write it again....

MODS SHOULD CLOSE THIS THREAD...for obvious reasons, and before the fighting starts, like going against everything XDA even stands for.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] jonnybueno:
I really appreciate all the hard work xda's theme developers do to create all these themes. I have absolutely no photoshop skills (never even used it) and haven't found the time to set up the resigning tool.

Whenever something has gone wrong with a custom theme, I never feel the need to bother theme developers. Anyone who has actually read through this forum should know common troubleshooting steps e.g. wipe, reflash, etc.

Keeping that in mind, there are many people who don't take the time to actually read threads around here, and regardless of who ports what, I would think that the questions will keep coming no matter what.

That said, I have a ported theme on my phone right now, and I really appreciate work done by a "pirate". like i said, i'm not set up right now to port themes on my own, and a "pirate" saved me a lot of time. He didn't have to share, but he did and i appreciate that. You can imagine the fuss that would be raised if someone was holding out on other members..

I'd rather be using a full theme, but what I want out of this theme is slightly modified, and I'm not sure if the theme dev will oblige me.

So big thanks to devs and pirates alike, i love the way my phone looks. Hopefully all of you will be able to work out all the important details and the community will continue to thrive! :)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Breach:
Amen, brother.

Also, just curious if all of the theme devs actually designed their own artwork (all of it) or if they just took images from online and used them without permission regardless of copyright infringement? (and I know the overall answer.. because I see a LOT of copyrighted images in many themes, icon sets and backgrounds.) If I stole a bunch of Mickey Mouse(TM) artwork and made backgrounds, icon sets, etc.. I wouldnt really be able to complain about people stealing my theme, since I stole the images, right?

As far as being respectful, sure.. I can understand and agree with that, but if I make a theme and never port it to newer versions.. well, I would expect someone to go ahead and do it (if there was a demand for my theme). I would expect them to keep the theme name and give me credit for the original port. This is afterall, an open source community..

In the end, all you can do as a theme dev is attach a Readme.txt to your themes with you name, forum name, email address and other contact information and ask that people please do not port your theme without your permission.

Good luck enforcing the issue though..

Rick
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] knight4linux:
Here are a three quotes from Eric S Raymond himself:

Loyalty is important as much as these...hence citing the original creators name is necessary...but this is where it should end.

Read more here: http://www.catb.org/~esr/
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] johnowa636:
I can pretty much assume this is directed toward me. :D

First off let me say, I will admit I never asked for permission from the original authors. I am an adult and will give my apologies to the authors Moonsspoon and ultra spikey, instead of starting a post to vent my frustration IN ALL CAPS. :p

I would also like to add that if the author had an issue with the port, I never heard about it and would have stopped if requested. We even had moonsspoon offer his help for menu font.

If the author wishes, send me PM and I will take down all the links to files.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
XDA stays a float because of the devs creating stuff,and if was not for the theme devs and build devs no one would be here. Why do you speak as if you contribute to XDA much. I always get comments from people who could not turn there phones on if they did not have sites like XDA. Its all about respect for someones work and who asked you lol...

You should create a theme your self spend hours signing .9.png icons and have some one through two three icons in themes and call them ports. I have know problems with XDA as a whole just some of the members like you that think XDA is the only place to post and display work.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
I asked him to start this thread for me because i am really busy working on new things so any heat everyone can direct it to me and yes i make themes for those saying it's a theme devs place.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] big nu:
this post was not intended towards any one person it was posted in general.. and pardon my ALL CAPS PEOPLE LETS GET OVER IT PEOPLE!!:rolleyes:

and thank you for understanding,,.. and like i said if the dev's are ok w/ it then by all means have at it. but just becuase this a community site does'nt mean that common courtesy cant be practiced:)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
And this thread should not be closed because if we are warned about posting games from certain company's because its considered warez its the same warning in a different aspect.

I remember a member getting kicked off for creating a hybrid theme.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] knight4linux:
Good, I'll start respecting not ripping apart your work as soon as you email Google and ask them for permission to take apart theirs as well.

Got a problem with that? Then put your work under a patent. Good luck, I'm pretty sure Google might have prior work in that area though.

EDIT: Look, I really like the work you do and honestly respect it. I'm sorry if the above stated sounds harsh. If someone porting your theme doesn't cite you as the original creator, shame on them. Though no one has so far tried to pass work off as their own (except for that one guy eliciting us to visit his youtube channel), I was under the impression that you gave this work to the community to be used, tested, and bettered when and wherever sought fit. If I was wrong please inform me.

EDIT2: I think everyone has the urge to use ALL-CAPS too when passionate about something. lol, it's just our nature.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] johnowa636:
Much more reason why some one porting a theme will help you focus your skills to a theme for 1.5 that will blow all the others away. I only ported theme for my own. People requested and then asked for custom items, that's what people mean as a chop. I thought we shared in this community. I personally did not port any of your themes, other wise my apologies would be directed towards you.

Common courtesy, you are bashing people who port, calling them Pirates, or did they put words in your mouth? Practice what you preach and approach the person who ported and ask them to stop. Correct me if Im wrong but I search your post and have not seen a single theme released by you. When you say beware, can you find a person who is claiming to the port is his own. If people cant tell the difference between a port and an original, they need to do some more reading instead of running their mounth.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] uberingram:
I, for one, would be proud that someone liked my work enough to port it, modify it or whatever. I would ask for a little recognition but that's it. "Wahhhh I poured my SOUL into this free bit of code I willingly posted on a public forum and some is using it differently." Well maybe you should have lumped a price tag on and put it on the Market instead of here. Get over yourself or find a new hobby. A lot pointlessly sandy vaginas and self important blow hards in this thread that picked the wrong platform to work with. Respect is EARNED in regards to open software development and getting your panties in a twist over something trivial like this is the quickest way to burning out.

I can't think what's worse here: the people that need to be spoon fed simple tasks or the people that need to be spoon fed their own egos.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] big nu:
First things first, if the shoes fits _________it!. . . . if i burn a cd/dvd and distribute it im a pirate:eek:hello..next i dont develope theme's ill give you that, but that does not mean i dont know the frustration and time it takes to make a QUALITY theme(FROM SCRATCH). Im fully aware of what it is to download an bogus zip. and it hang ur phone.. and trust me i can tell the difference between an original and a BOOTLEG!!

Now of course your probably gonna reply and fire back w/ blah blah blah, yada yada yada. just know that this was not intend to piss anyone off.. it was to bring awareness to to dev's and users alike.. so take pill and go copy someone else's theme which in my opinion before i do that i wont do a damn thing!:D
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] ryan75:
Did I miss something - which manup or bignu theme got "pirated"? I'm only seeing Aero and Gloss ports. Regardless, a simple "credit goes too..." or a quick heads-up PM to the originator should be enough to prevent any future ALL CAPS warning threads. I've worked in software dev for long enough to know that 'intellectual rights' issues are a slippery slope and the best way to make good product fast is taking good code and expanding on it.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] driguez:
God... Batman and Robin? Pretty stupid idea and approach if you ask me. Pretty sure if the OP was a bit more "mature" and would have PM'ed whoever "copied" which i have not seen any of his themes ported, would have gone a long ways. Anyhow we are not talking about a $500k project here, dont get me wrong i do respect your work, however the original post was a bit too much though, ego... at least that what it comes across as.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] johnowa636:
So if you don't develop themes, how is it that you know frustration and time it takes.:D:D:D:D:D:D You make this so easy. Dont get me wrong, I have nothing against you, I do have an issue how the issue is brought up.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] BSDADON:
This is getting ridiculous, with the Haykuro thread a few days ago and this, they state the issues they have, that should be it. Read, agree/disagree move on, but just going back and forth doesn't show anyones "maturity". It just takes away from an amazing board with amazing people, who have talents they choose to share with us.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Stericson:
My turn

While I understand the devs opinions about their work I am absolutely disgusted how this has turned out here latley.

I stopped contributing so much because of things like this.

Every theme dev that is out there is doing things based off of what I worked hard on to bring to the community. Why? Because I felt it was about time for me to GIVE something back to the community. That means that I dont have any Ownership to the work that I give.

In a likewise manner, if a person, theme dev or not, posts a theme it it is no longer theirs because they have donated their time and work to the community. You cant take something back that you've given.

The idea of receiving credit for your work is about respect and gratitude. It is something to say thanks for the persons time and work. If someone wants to take a theme and port it to a new Android version then that is showing respect for the author and credit should also be given to the creator of it, which has happened so far as I've seen.

Everyone here, including me, is using something that someone else created, what if I told people to stop porting my white clock to different themes? Would that not be ridiculous? Why did I ever give it out if I am not going to let other use it as they want.

In the same manner, why post your themes if people can't do with it as they please, this includes porting it to another Android version and posting it.

Your destroying what this place is about, your trying to limit the growth of this project.

What is this project?

This project is to enhance the look of our phones to satisfy each one of our individual needs and wants. It is too improve on what we already have, it is too expand and explore the possibilities of Android.

Themes are getting more complicated, and with this, ports are going to become much more difficult. However, this was never about stability, this has always been about Trial and Error. This has always been about wipe, flash, wipe, flash, wipe again....success.

I hate to see posts like these, this is not what this community is about. If someone wants to port a theme and share it, they have that right because you have given your work to the community. As long as you are given credit, then you should have nothing to say. I know for a fact that every theme dev here has taken work that is not theirs, including myself, and used it in their themes without giving credit to the authors. A lot of images in these themes come from Deviant-art. So if you miss a due credit here and there, just take it with a grain of salt, of course thats not to say dont ask for your credit. Just think back to all the times you took something and didn't give credit for it.

Stericson
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
See my problem is bettered who can better a theme i created,if they want better they could make it. I don't own the google,but i do own what graphics I make under my graphic design company,this is not the first phone i make themes for and the graphics are always graphics i could have a iphone,storm blah...and make the same theme for those phones understand that part.

Now as far as port's go and this is all i am going to say spending time porting themes if you really want to learn is pointless. One you wont know how to make the pieces you'll only know how to copy paste and rename the pieces. I would never have someone port my theme unless my hands and fingers fall off,and to those that say "has any one ported manup456 themes?" yeah thats why this was started because i was sure people where going to do it.

@all

Get creative make something new and fresh thats how the phone will grow,leav porting to the creators for it's there job and work to do.

@size_____ fill in shoe size

This is a stupid thread people think,then don't read it go read the one about creating themes on your own because these are the only people getting hurt by this lol...sorry it's just amazing people get mad because i asked to not port my themes not saying that it's been done but in the future for it not to be done.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] driguez:
Finally someone who CAN say something about this issue, well said Stericson.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] DaUub:
Manup are you going to port all of your themes yourself then? i would be kind of happy i wouldn't have to move my themes to another rom and some 1 else did it for me.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
@Stericson

I cant even comment on that where does it say when you post something its donated to the site? I don't donate my work i allow people to use it and thats it not pick apart stuff,if there was a thread that said i am upset with the people who donate there work and give it away for free to who ever want to take it apart etc...with it and bashed people doing that would o.k? No because thats your choice to make. To each his own i don't care to be judged on how i feel about what i create and protect.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
Yes bro i will be porting all my theme's,and let me get to it because you know people are in a rush around here now a days. ;)

What build you use is totally up to you,i will port all my themes for the dudes 1.0 build. Which will be his next build and that will be ready when i am done with the theme for it,which is soon trust and when you see the theme on that build you will be happy. But again it's totally up to you.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Stericson:
True, but this is a community. This forum is about donating your work to help advance this platform. Maybe your not donating your work, and if not, then your in this for the wrong reason. Your not here to help the cause or to advance things, your here for you own personal gain.

Thats not what this community is about.

Where would you be if I didnt donate my time to helping you understand how to make themes?

Where would you be if I didn't make the first theme template and give it to everyone to use as they wish.

Where would you be if JF had not donated his time and work to help us root our phones.

You would be nowhere.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] driguez:
And thats exactly what i thought... "Exclusivity" to Dude's builds... Anyhow i enjoy your work, keep it up.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] JLine05:
I have an idea. Why don't the theme devs post in the original threads for their themes this statement:

Please do not port this theme, I am working on porting it and will be done with it soon.

Done. Its nicely worded and let's impatient people know the real deal is coming out soon.

On a side note, I really wish someone would port Ghost Black. I don't think toxtrepla is coming back. :(
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] DaUub:
just the dude:( i run 1.5 Jfreak adp
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
What's mine is yours. ;)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] RandumAccess:
F--- IT! Im Out!

Pirates??? lol are they profiting from your work?

no? then who the f--- cares, get the stick out of your guy's butts and be a little more "open source"... douches.

its that egotistical mentality why you dont see me on here anymore... tired of getting flamed by egotistical morons through posts and emails who want credit for anything and everything they edit.

I seen NO ONE post any port as their own...

you wanna ban me for this post?? go right the F--- ahead, im done with all you d--kheads!

to my fans: You Will See new themes again, but thank these guys for me shutting down on here.

anyone who has any of my themes.... "PIRATE" THAT ****!

Give to your friends, burn them, Port Theme... hell, post it as your own! F--- IT!

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=086c53d09814690ce7c82ed4b8f0c38013a14411e3eb99a5ce018c8114394287

On to REAL open source and public sharing for me.... after all this IS NOT my job... this was my FUN!

NOW FLAME ME! I gave you a real reason to now... lol
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
Yeah Manup, you seem to be doing it for the wrong reason. I thought this was supposed to be fun?

If you want to make money or get any real credit, then you might want to start looking somewhere other than a public fan forum for developing on an open source operating system.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Stericson:
:) Great post.

Stericson
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] beagz:
wow, just wow! I hope you change your mind and stay. But I can understand your POV.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Beast84:
WOW this sucks! I liked your themes. Ego kills all. 2 guys are taking so much away from this community thanks to their egos. manup & big nu, you have let us all down.

On this note, wasn't big nu making a website dedicated to manups stuff?? Hopefully that comes up soon. Maybe some of the ego will leave with them
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] jdub3000:
this is hilarious .. really, i dont see what the big deal is ... it dosent take a lot of skill or mental capacity to create a theme. i mean come on... really? pirates??

how many people that create themes on here are professional designers?

are their any? just wondering.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] daveid:
Honestly, I would be flattered if someone thought enough of something I created to use it to enhance their (or anyone else's) experiences. And Manup, my current theme still incorporates some of your old Blue Star 5 icons (you did create all of those icons, right? I mean, they weren't ported over from somewhere else, were they?). But... now, gosh, I don't think I want anything that "Belongs to you" on my phone. I'm sorry you don't get the point the protagonists are trying to make here, it is a shame that your ego and sense of ownership (Metallica) are holding you back from having your ideas shared in a community. I suppose, like many other "artists", you must feel the need to alienate yourself - perhaps so you can feel special? It's a shame, because art is nothing without the community to appreciate it. And pissing on the community when they decide to further spread the art (by supporting different platforms - porting, or by using pieces of it in their own releases - hybrid themes, or any other way they choose to spread "your" art), is probably the best way to separate yourself from the community. Thereby, ceasing the appreciation of your art, now when I see your browser icon on my phone (I think that's the only one I still have left), all I can think of is this thread.... it looks disgusting.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
I do web design and graphic design for applications where I work. Things like UI and icons (copy / cut / paste / open, generic things like that). Also used to do space scene art stuff when I had more free time. PM me if you're interested to see.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] tubaking182:
if it doesn't take any skill or mental capacity to make a theme then i implore you to have a theme developed by the end of this month. it takes a lot of time and i completely see where manup is coming from. i appreciate his themes a lot, and yes i have ported some to my needs, but never would i take his theme and rebuild it as my own for release. many theme devs state in their posts you are free to edit ans use at will and several post not to edit the theme that if you would like a different version you may ask.

@Randum(who i realize is gone but he may check in on occasion)

i see why you are upset, but many people spend more time then you do, i know that i spent 3 hours a night for a month working on my first theme, and now i can spit out a halfway decent one in a few nights. i mean no disrespect to the themes by Randum but changing icons isn't really all that hard, his theme look nice but spitting ten out in two days means you over-siplified the process
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
He's put out over 70 themes. He has put in more hours than any of us more than likely, regardless of how complete or extensive his themes are.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Beast84:
Or maybe... just maybe it means he is good at what he does?? I don't know, might sound crazy but that very well might be why he can "spit out" 10 a in 2 days. After all, to my knowledge, he does graphic design for a living
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] uberingram:
This thread and the people behind its creation are an embarrasment to this community. The sheer audacity of it is still astounding to me. Stericson, thank you for your input here.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
It is fun but at the end of the they it's my art and work i just don't want people chopping it up thats all if the other devs are fine with cool. Dont get me wrong you want to start a new theme and use parts like people have done before it's fine but my theme is my theme and thats all.