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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
wow, boys, calm down. *****ing at each other is oh so productive. maybe we could try to HELP each other out and be friends! just a thought...

i'm getting maybe 12 hours on a full charge running the leaked att stock rom and it's really starting to tick me off. i bought a portable power pack that can give me a full charge on its full charge (Xpal harry II) but i want to be able to get AT LEAST a full day without having to pop it onto a usb or wall charger for 20 minutes. im thinknig of flashing to da_g's or natf's 6.1 roms witihn the next couple weeks hoping that they'd be able to improve my battery life. i'm pretty happy with the radio and i'm in boston so no major signal issues there. maybe it's just a sh*tty rom draining my battery?

and now that i wasted 10 minutes reading this thread, i'm giong to go back to studying for finals. joy.

EDIT: I installed the fuzeberry theme a week or two ago and that's caused a TF3D problem (see my thread here about this here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=511760) but is there any chance that THIS is also killing my battery? hate the att manila but i might have to revert back if it gets me more hours :\
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jjjacksonjjj:
****, sorry mate I can't remember now, I changed a setting in the registry and installed a keyboardincrease cab? Maybe others on here will be able to point you in the right direction. I am a noob at this type of stuff really and just follow instructions that members on here suggest - once the problems fixed I forget about it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
nhshah7-

try using a 6.5 ROM I cooked now, it's doing fairly well, i would Hard-SPL, then try and flash a new radio or ROM, should help you out, turn off 3G, which should help. Also download advanceconfig and turn on the power saving items there.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cbreze:
FWIW, I have never had good results with the gps, but since I flashed the htc 5.05.401.1 with radio: 1.14.25.05 I now get very quick lock times. Also battery is a bit better even tho I'm running shell3.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
you don't need the keyboard cab. it's redundant. here's the tweak

using a reg editor (ie resco or TCM): HKCU\ControlPanel\Keybd\InitialDelay - Set tihs to a value of 0 or something low like 25. i have mine set to 1

okay cool i'll give that a try when i get some time. i really like the radio im on now though (1.02.25.19) so i think i'll leave that for now. where are your roms? also, i know disabling 3g would help but i do enjoy the fast browsing speeds. i feel like it would be a huge PITA to have to reenable it everytime i browse. anyone do this or have any thoughts?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
nhshah7-

shoot me an IM and I'll help you cook your own ROM :). A radio basically makes or breaks your battery experience though, so you should try others, the .20M1 I'm using now is totally amazing with battery.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
how's teh gps on that one? it's MUCH better than the stock fuze radio gps performance!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
Can't say, don't use GPS :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dane Austin:
I don't get the complaining about this phone. I have about 60-80 calls a day, 10-20 text messages/emails, and probably spend 30-40 minutes playing games on my Fuze and still have 10-20% left at the end of the day. I don't tweak anything, I just flash RRE roms and am using what ever radio I feel like trying (I've tried them all). Maybe the problem is too much tweaking and loading of useless programs.

Oh yeah, I am always on Edge.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] 4D3:
all i have to say is WOW!!

the OP of the thread initially starts nailing rgw phone because it is "so bad" then a few posts above this it "totally amazed" with the battery!

as far as your battery goes, either, your using a really bad radio, or you have made a boo-boo when you cooked your rom.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] leak73:
If I could last a full day on one charge I would be happy. Right now I get maybe 7-8 hours on one charge, max, so if I am going from work to somewhere other than home, then I am without a phone. The fact that specs rate the fuze with a longer battery life than the tilt, I would expect that it would last longer than the tilt utilizing the same usage. I have tried several roms/radios and have come up with the same result. Again, I am testing it right now by doing a couple of full discharges to see if this resolves the problem. I will let you know.

And a quick fyi. Touch pro is the succesor of the tilt or even the touch dual. The Diamond 2 is the successor of the Diamond. Same battery and higher rated cpu/resolution does not necessarily mean shorter battery. Architecture could be different to allow for longer battery life. Just like newer generation laptop cpu's with higher bus speeds have lower power consumption.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
eh i guess i'll give disabling 3g a shot :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
amazing when compared to before.....

My battery has been bad all the time, im gonna try 1.14 out today, maybe get a security unlock to try the other radios. All my ROMs have had the same problems
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] :
Turn off 3g

Change your backlight settings and timeouts.

Make sure you actually close apps.

Stop *****ing.

Mine regularly went from 6:30 am to midnight just fine, with some wifi, beejive for a couple hours over edge, occasional internet surfing, lots of texting, miscellaneous calls, all on EnergyROM 2.0 41609.

You could also get a car charger, use your usb charger when in front of a computer, plug it in when you get home if you feel so compelled. Try harder
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
Thanks for those magical tips that EVERYBODY knows. I have all that stuff turned off. What percentage did you end up at when you hit midnight? and what Radio?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] groffnuts:
ok, I am very new with all of this and the terms used. Could you explain how to go about doing this and also maybe help me figure out why I cannot get my Full QWERTY back. It is on the compact version and when I go in to settings to change it, it wont change. I think it is related to my recent switch to the black dialer but I can't find that file on my phone to take it off and check. Here is what I had downloaded... IPC Black Dialer ENG.cab (194.6 KB, 11096 views) from the post [THE] REAL Diamond-style dialer on Oct. 22, 2008 by AVLev. Any help would be great, thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
What terms? and to get your full qwerty back, go into a messaging app, or something you can type in, and on the bottom of your screen you should see something that looks like a keyboard, with an arrow that points up like this ^. click the arrow, and select with keyboard you want.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] groffnuts:
thanks

I just dont understand everything about ROM, Radios, Chef, etc. I looked at other forums and it seems that since I have a Sprint touch pro, it is CDMA then, is that correct? I noticed all the changes to make the phone faster were for the GSM phones, is ther anything to tweak mine and improve performance?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
Yes, a Sprint/Verizon/Alltel phone is CDMA. You CANNOT flash anything to your phone from the Raphael ROM Development thread.

The tweaks are universal however. You can use them on any phone.

A ROM is basically what your phone runs on.

A Radio is what allows your phone to connect to wireless networks, your carrier, etc.

A chef is someone who cooks a ROM
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jjjacksonjjj:
I got my TP back from repair today (dodgy mini usb socket) and the battery life is better than ever! I have been using it a lot today, even used Tom Tom and I am still at 75% battery remaining.

This has got me thinking; is there a problem with the mini usb sockets? A friend of mine had a problem with his Kaiser about a year ago where battery life got really poor to the point where eventually it wouldn't even charge or turn on. He thought the battery must have given up and ordered a new one, but this made no difference. It turned out that the usb had developed a short which got worse over time, eventually screwing up the battery.

My TP battery life did seem to get worse over time, but I just put his down to the reasons given on here and that I probobly had more stuff on the phone etc (I don't install that much though). I noticed the mini usb was getting dodgy when first it would crackle with music, then it occasionally went into TV-Out mode when I plugged in my charger or headset, and eventually it wouldn't connect to my computer at all.

Do you think these sockets are easily damaged?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] johnny13oi:
wait wait, are you saying that texting on edge for 24 hours should leave the battery at 85% by the end of the day. That would mean the only 15% of the battery was consumed in the duration of the 24 hour period. 15% of a 5 Wh battery is approximately .75 Wh over a 24 hour period. Which means you are assuming that the phone uses up an average of .03 watts. I am sorry but .03 watts is nowhere near enough to keep the screen on and cell radios on. I am willing to bet that there is no phone out there that can text using only .03 watts. Not even close.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] orkitect:
I think the OP doesn't say that he is texting for full 24 hours. he mentions that he use the phone only for texting during that period. Your calculation might be correct if the phone screen is on for complete 24 hours. but i am sure the phone screen will be on only during the usage period and some more time and then it gets shut off. So you might need to recalculate based on these
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
Here's my breakdown of my day..

6 :30 AM-unplug

7:30-2, ****ty signal at school, barely gets 2 bars, always losing and reconnecting signal. I send maybe about 10-20 texts during this time. might play like 5 minutes of uno.

2-whatever- I do nothing, full bars, I send out about 50-100 texts during this time.

Right now, i have 81 percent of my battery left, and I only sent about 20 texts so far today. Now, my battery meter has been screwy lately, after a soft reset I will end up with 8% less battery than before I soft reset. I will edit this post tonight once I do some more texting and the like. I am using 1.14.25.05 with the RILphone.dll. It is actually doing a lot better than my other radio.

btw, my Q9H would be atleast at 70-80% on 3G by this time today. Never dipped below the 3rd battery bar unless I was using the inernet. This phone has the same battery life as my old LG Shine
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Reefermattness:
You're still in here complaining about battery life? Why don't you just go get another phone already?

Since apparently you know EVERYTHING else, I would assume you also know that when you have no signal, that the antenna is in search mode, and is looking for towers. This drains the battery VERY FAST.

Maybe you should not have your phone on during school?

Lets see where your argument is fundamentally flawed.

THE RAPHAEL BY ANY NAME ISN'T A Q9H NOR IS IT A LG SHINE. IF THESE ARE THE KIND OF PHONE YOU WANT, THEN GO GET THAT PHONE.

LG SHINE (its a joke you even brought up this phone)

CPU+Clock:	115 MHz

RAM_capacity:	70 MB

Display+Diagonal: 2.2 "

Display:Resolution: 240 x 320

Battery+Capacity: Li-Ion 750 mAh

Q9H

CPU+Clock:	325 MHz

RAM:capacity:	96 MB

Display+Diagonal: 2.4 "

Display:Resolution: 320 x 240

Battery+Capacity: 1170 mAh

HTC Touch Pro

CPU+Clock:	528 MHz

RAM_capacity:	256 MB

Display+Diagonal: 2.8 "

Display:Resolution: 480 x 640

Battery+Capacity: 1340 mAh

So again since you know everything, you should have already known these numbers. Then what you're saying is that a phone that has over 2x as much available hardware power (which I'm sure you know uses more battery power because you're a genius) but with only a slightly bigger battery, should last just as long? That really doesn't make much sense now does it...

Is it really that hard to plug your phone in when you get home?

If you dont want a PC in your pocket, and you just want a media phone, then go get a sidekick, and quit cluttering our forum. There are already LOTS of threads about saving your battery life. There is no reason you need your own personal thread to whine and complain, especially since you obviously cant see the hardware aspect of it logically.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
reefer-

I totally forgot to mention that I knew about the losing/gaining would drain battery. I never said i was a genius though, so idk what the hell you're complaining about. Is it really that hard to comprehend that a phone should meet somebodies expectations? If you look in the thread, you will see that I also answered some peoples questions, just not whining and complaining.

Listen, idk what stick got up your a**, but I think that a person has a right to complain if something doesn't work. I don't know the technical specifications of everything, I know that higher CPU drains battery, bigger screen, wireless, etc, but say I bought this phone for my Mom, or a friend. They would probably be going crazy right now wondering why the phones battery is dieing off so quickly. It'd drive them up a wall.

If this thread bothers you, then just don't read it :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Reefermattness:
LOL Fine i wont read it anymore then, but at the same time there really wasn't any reason to start this thread. There are already LOTS dealing with this exact thing. In retrospect, i do hope you get the problem figured out, because this is one of THE best phones out on the market hands down! I worked at ATT and I suppose that's when i developed the hatred for people complaining about battery life for the small 528mhz PC they had in their pocket, and how their ****ty phone had better battery life. I mean seriously I have an old PC from High School sitting at my parents house collecting dust that does less than my Fuze, and i have to plug it into the wall just to turn it on.

Yes, losing/gaining signal drains your battery VERY quickly. I didn't know this until I started traveling a lot and realized when i had no signal at all out on the road, that the phone would die SUPER fast, because its constantly searching for signal, then resetting and starting again. Also one of my friends lived in the middle of nowhere and got practically no signal in his room. When i would be at his house my phone would act like a whole different phone, dying VERY quickly, to the point i would just plug my phone in at his house to save myself the trouble.

There are some days i do have to plug my phone in at work after flashing a few times and really horse beating it, but for the most part i get at least a day out of my phone. Some days i do not plug it in at all and still have around 30% the next day.

Also, I'm sure that if either one of us bought this phone for our mom, (or if i bought this phone for your mom.... lol jk) or friend, that they would not use it the same way that we do, and it probably would easily last a whole day. Really now what do most people use their phones for? A few random phone calls, 20-30 texts a day, maybe a couple e-mails, but the difference is that we really do beat the crap out of our devices here at XDA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
Yeah. I looked at all those old threads, but nothing seems to help. I'm down to 60% only 12 hours after I unplugged it. I knew the phone was ridiculous and "superpowered", but I thought it would make the battery management be better.

The reason I was a little bit irked was because I only use my phone for texting. The occasional phone call to my Mom, or a friend if I need a ride. If I do flash a ROM, I make sure my phone is plugged in and everything so that it wont get totally owned.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Reefermattness:
Try going back to 1.12 Radio, i didn't like the battery drain for 1.14 and went back.

I honestly at first was a little disappointed with battery life coming from my Tilt to the Fuze. My Tilt got almost immediate GPS lock, and would last 2 days on 1 charge, but i have to remind myself how much more this phone does, how much faster it does those things, and how much smaller it is.

One thing that helps me maybe you haven't tried is i turn off my 3G for most of the day. Especially when I'm at work in the building where i get ****ty reception. Every antenna uses power, so keep your BT turned off, keep your WiFi turned off, etc.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dane Austin:
So what is wrong with 60% after 12 hours? At that usage you should have another 12 hours before it dies. I have run my phone till it shuts off many times, that's what that other 60% is for.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Reefermattness:
Indeed! :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
I could try it, but I never liked it, I thought it insta drained the battery for me. I always have EDGE on, no 3G. Im thinking about security unlocking just so i can try the blackstone radios.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] player911:
Well remove all that extra crap on your phone that is using up your battery.

Flash to the new Radio and flash one of Da_G's PRECOOKED barebones ROMs. The barebones Roms are original Windows Mobile OS. Nothing fancy running in the background like the Volume Controller, Task manager, G-Sensor apps, etc.

Use a barebones rom as the basis to measure other roms.

The only programs I run is HTC Task Manager, Resco Explorer, TouchResponse, and the WM7 Theme with Weather.

The Weather keeps the data connection open yet after a full day of calls and texts, I still have about 50% battery left.

I've found that my battery was horrible when I first bought it. I wanted to see how far the battery would last... so I tested it. I was down to 4% the first day, but lasted 3 more days on 4% (Took off the charger at 8am Tuesday... died Friday 9pm).

Ever since it's been pretty good. I'm noticing that the OS doesn't really know the initial battery life like most phones. Even after a hard reset it seems I get better results when I let it completely die.

I found getting rid of TouchFlo3D as a homescreen helps out a lot too.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nhshah7:
yeah i started turning off 3g when im not using data and i'm getting almost twice the battery life! hopefully flashing a better rom will also improve it
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mindfrost82:
I've never been completely happy with the battery life in my HTC devices (I've had the Vogue on Sprint, the Tilt, and now the Fuze), but in all honesty, with everything these phones can do, I'm satisfied with it knowing how powerful they are.

I'm always on Edge. I get a full signal at work and usually 2 bars at home. I have Windows Live pushing email to my phone all day and usually receive 5-20 emails. I have bluetooth on 24/7, but usually not connected to anything unless I'm driving. I'll send/receive 10-20 texts per day. I usually have 1 or 2 30 minute phone calls during the day with a few shorter ones (5 mins or less). I also have Activesync sync my Google Calendar every 4 hours. I also have very light internet usage.

I'm using the RRE WM6.5 V2 No Manilla ROM right now (just flashed yesterday), with the 1.12.25.19 radio and rilphone.dll. Some people are noticing high battery drain with this ROM, so there might be a bug with it.

With the other RRE ROMs I'm usually down to 60% or 70% after having it off the charger from 7am until 10-11pm, sometimes less, but that's usually average. Out of habbit I just charge it every night and I have a car charger for days that I need it.

I know Blackberries usually have good battery life, I've rarely seen complaints about it, but they also aren't has powerful (in terms of RAM and processor) and don't have a touchscreen (except the Storm of course).

So ROMs can effect battery life, and radio/rilphone.dll can also. You just gotta try different combinations until you find one that works for you.

The M1 radio gave me great battery life, but I kept dropping calls with it. The earlier Xperia radios were also great on battery life for me, but the calls were a little choppy. The Blackstone radios and the 1.12.25.19 Raph radio are a good combination for me. Call clarity is great, but the battery life isn't quite as good as the Xperia radios and the M1.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] frekin:
Here's a weird one for you guys. I got my Fuze in November, read up a bit in the forums, and quickly flashed one of the NATF ROMs. For about 4 or 5 months, I had what I would consider excellent battery life: charged it up every night, and on the average day with few calls and some tinkering, I would be down to 89% or so by the end of the day. I could even skip charging it for 1 or 2 days in a row without worries (I don't make many calls).

Within the last month or so, however, the battery has started to drain much more quickly. Now it runs out of juice before the end of the work day, and I have to keep chargers everywhere to make sure it doesn't die on me. I haven't really changed anything much with my setup. The only things I've added recently were Virtual Mobile and the latest iGO 8.3 on my microSD. Neither of those two things appears to be running in the background, and I made sure to go through the phone and turn off anything that might be attempting to connect or turn on the GPS automatically. I just got a new battery from AT&T, and it still drains fast.

Anyone have any ideas? Should I just get the hardware replaced under warranty?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] :
Magical Tips? rofllulz

If you already know all the tips, why did you start this thread? :confused:

I ended up with somewhere around 20-30%. Also, I use Lumos to control the backlight. The only thing that really drains my battery super fast is 3G being on, or surfing with Opera. Opera drains my battery pretty fast when it is open. I usually use Iris Browser now. I'm using radio 1.02.25.32 which came with my device from ATT. Never had any problems so never hassled with changing it and matching rilphones and shiz. Honestly I usually never look at my battery life, because I know its just dropping, and I already have all the settings set to maximize it, so there's nothing else I can do.

I never have 3G on unless I am doing lots of net surfing, or downloading a file. The battery drain isn't worth it most of the time.

Good luck
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
So.... I sent an E-mail to AT&T about the phone, how many problems Ive had with the customer service, etc..

the president of AT&T called me. He offered me any phone, and a data plan.

What phone should I get?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Dane Austin:
A FUZE, no wait tired of hearing you whine, get the blackjack or a palm.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] PwnCakes193:
Screw you too buddy! :) I'm thinking about getting the Bold. Everything else basically sucks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DTOX:
I have no problem at all with my battery life. I can last 2-3 days with one full charge. Did you charge the battery to its full potential the first time you took it ou of the box, like a good boy?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Reefermattness:
LMAO.... the Bold doesn't suck?

What a dumb thing to say.

Have fun with the horrible BB OS.... at least then the clutter will be on a different forum.