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[G1 Apps and Games] d474rpr:
Seems silly imo, but thats my opinion...unless you mean something like the iPhone dock? dxtop has a second tab that keeps track of recently used apps. That's the closest thing I've seen yet. Since 1.5 is officially on its way to the masses I think you'll see a ton of widgets hit the market soon.
[G1 Apps and Games] anddep:
its in one of these "HOME" apps somewhere..

yea i cant wait until more widgets come out.. i had to not use Open Home anymore just to see the stock widgets.. money comes, money goes.. LIFE!
[G1 Apps and Games] Dharkaron:
Id be willing to bet money that once stock 1.5 gets pushed open home will open their app up to the new widgets.
[G1 Apps and Games] BSDADON:
They have a working beta and it works with all widgets. When you install it though it wipes your screens clean and you have to redo everything. Also folder icons go back to default at random :( But its a small price to pay for the widgets i think

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=510831
[G1 Apps and Games] shaneaus:
SweeterHome has app trays that can be installed. You pick the apps/shortcuts, etc you want in the tray and can customize almost EVERYTHING!

Also, has what they call "springboards" which is an icon/shortcut that will open up an app tray (or) that can contain anything you want.

I've been using it for quite some time. It is in development - but, most of the major bugs have been worked out.
[G1 Apps and Games] KyleK29:
Anyone else wishing they would have modified the market to allow for Apps + Games + Widgets in the menu? It's going to be a pain in the butt finding new widgets with all the apps.
[G1 Apps and Games] nolageek:
I love dxTop implematation of the app dock.. just swipe the drawer pull tabs to the left or to the right and there ya go. BRILLIANT!
[G1 General] kp126:
today was a horrible day...

apparently leaving your g1 in your pants while they are in the wash doesnt work so well.

does not power on :(

anyone have any idea what can be done to bring it back or is it most likely fried

and if it is done then does anyone want to buy it as is?

I guess this is an excuse to get a g2

*UPDATE*

I guess no G2 for me just yet.

My phone works great now. Did not do anything special. Did disassemble the phone though so I can wipe down any residue i saw on main components such as the keyboard.

My advice to anyone that has this misfortune is not to rush things. I think i turned my phone on 2 days too early but I got lucky and it did not affect my phone. I figured this out because there was a lot of visible moisture in the screen when the backlight turned on. The keyboard was not functioning correctly either.

I did leave it in rice for about 36 hours but I do not really think that did much as far as the drying process goes. Best thing to do is go to a hardware store and pick up a torx driver set(mine was $4 at Home Depot and it was 36 piece set including torx philips hex slotted and pozi) open up the phone *be careful* of course and let it air dry for 3-4 days (not absolutely necessary to take apart the entire screen but if you feel comfortable go ahead). While it was open I wiped down the main board and the keyboard. I did not take apart the screen because I just did not want to take any other risks(mostly because i knew the screen worked) even though there was moisture, I knew it would eventually dry out. But the key to all of this was patience(I know its tough to go 3-4 days without your baby).

the link for the service manual is http://mikechannon.net/PDF Manuals/HTC Dream SM (A04).pdf
[G1 General] SolemnWishing:
Most of the time, phones can live through the washer and live. You MUST take out the battery and do NOT attempt to turn it on for atleast 48 hours, as you will likely short out the phone. Put the phone in a big bag of rice to let it soak up the water, also use a blowdryer to help dry the phone out. However, your warranty is now void, and there likely will be some remnants of water within your screen.
[G1 General] ESKIMOn00b:
Yep! worst thing you can do is turn that thing on (or try) before its dry.

my g1 hasnt had a bath but other phones have (none with touch screens) and i take as much apart as possible and leave it that way till the waters gone (then like 4 more days just to me sure :) )

artifical drying sources reccomended (dont get too hot!!!)
[G1 General] kp126:
I have had it in rice for about 24 hours now and its sitting on top of my dvr because it gives off a little heat so it should help the process.

just remembered that i didnt remove the sd card...

i was thinking that since it was in the washer with detergent, shouldnt i have just removed the battery and try to clean it in some type of solution...

I have read about a alcohol solutions but kind of scared and i just noticed that there is condensation around the edges of the screen
[G1 General] Wisefire:
I'd say take it apart, Blow dry what you can, leave the pieces in a warm area for a couple hours, and then try putting it back together and turning it on.
[G1 General] kp126:
anybody know how sensitive the screen is because i want to try and blow some heat on it but not sure if it will damage it
[G1 General] bladepbc:
best part about handset insurance cover lost or stolen phones...hint hint
[G1 General] kp126:
good point but im on att network using the g1 unlocked...

plus i rather not cheat my way out of it because this is my own fault
[G1 General] kp126:
good news and bad news...

first of all it powers on and boots fine. Secondly the screen seems to be working perfectly (touch and all)

bad news i might have turned it on too early because screen still had noticeable water spots all over it. The keyboard also just spews random letters and commands (ie one of the letters controls the volume)

other good news 1.5 has onscreen keyboard

anyone have any advice on how to go about fixing the keyboard?
[G1 General] lbcoder:
Advise for fixing the keyboard: take it apart and clean it.
[G1 General] kp126:
ok well im taking it apart to clean it out and i see some residue but what should i use?

microfiber cloth?
[G1 General] kp126:
cleaned out as much as i could but seems like the menu button is now acting up while the keyboard is still messed up
[G1 General] jashsu:
Aside from parts made of paper, parts with thin films (like the lcd), speakers, batteries, or fine parts that are difficult to dry, you can do a very neat job with 99% iso alcohol followed by deionized (aka distilled) water. This includes most (but not all) plastic casing, buttons, pcb boards, etc. Follow up with a hair blowdryer set on low heat (or if you have an electric heatgun, even better).

Get a semi-shallow dish, fill it with the solvent, submerge the part and scrub it lightly with a soft toothbrush. (probably don't scrub for polished surfaces like the exterior casing). Then directly rinse it under a stream of the deionized water. Finally, clean the dish out, fill it with the di water and scrub with the brush.
[G1 General] gospeed.racer:
^ almost exactly what I did to recover a "dead" water soaked phone. Worked great, and learned a lot about how the phone is built:)
[G1 General] kp126:
couldnt find 99% near by but got 91% which im assuming should work...

is it ok if i use bottled water(kirkland)?

oh and the spots on the screen are still there (light and dark areas)

thanks for the help guys
[G1 General] jashsu:
I bought my 99% iso from Safeway. It comes in a 16oz container. Look for it in the medical supplies aisles. Don't use bottled spring/mineral water, as that contains... minerals. You need buy deionized (also referred to as distilled) water. Distilled water contains a significantly lower amount of mineral ion, which for the purpose of cleaning electronics would be considered contaminants.

Do the spots appear to be blotches of moisture? Perhaps there is fluid trapped between the various layers of the lcd.
[G1 General] kp126:
ok ill go check out safeway tomorrow morning. thanks for clearing up the water thing.

it looks like its moisture because after leaving it off for about 5 or 6 more hours i saw a few spots fade a little bit.

I will take the screen apart tomorrow as well. Any special instructions on handling the screen or even cleaning it?
[G1 General] HockeyDadNinja:
You might want to search for the service manual for the G1. It details a complete teardown and rebuild of the dream hardware.
[G1 General] kp126:
some sort of a miracle just occured because my phone is not acting up at all anymore and i didnt even clean it with the alcohol solution yet.

Just woke up in the morning and turned on the phone and worked perfectly, with absolutely no problem with the keyboard(except that i think i forgot a screw and a few keys are a little loose) everything works fine.

only problem is that the screen still has what looks like condensation.

but the blotches in the screen seem to be slowly fading. Gonna pop it open right now and leave it out overnight.

thanks for the help

oh and the manual has a few mistakes in it as far as procedure goes but any person with common sense should be able to get past those
[G1 General] oreoOozZz:
Damn, thats rough man. I dropped both my old phones in the toilet(damn you superbowl, damn you!!!)and both of them worked after taking them apart and drying them off but never really worked 100% the same...

Just a note too, those were non-touch screen phones.

Best of luck.
[G1 General] savethechicken:
And with Tmo you can't just add insurance when you want. You have to add it within the first 14 days of buying the phone or after an exchange you have 14 days to add it. So he would not be able to add it even if he was on TMO
[G1 General] kp126:
my phone is working 100% now...

Exactly as before. the moisture buildup in the screen is almost all gone as well... there is a just a little left in the center but its slowly drying out

The keyboard and all functions work great. I actually took it apart a couple times and just wiped off some residue with a microfiber cloth and never had to use the alcohol solution

Just really lucky i guess but those few days after it happened were the worst days of my life...

well actually right when it happened i felt like i was gonna die (I know a little extreme but the G1 is a good past time for me)
[G1 General] CashMoney474:
My dad dropped his blackberry in the toilet one time. He took the battery out immediately and waited a few hours but it would only flash a red light.

So he preheated the oven to I think 150 degrees and put the phone in it for about 30 seconds. Then he put the battery back in and voila! it worked and continues to work great.

I guess if anyone has tried everything else and it still doesnt work, myswell try this lol.
[G1 General] Steeltippin:
Take the cover off, battery off, and sit the phone in a bowl of dry rice for about 5 hours. Rice absorbs moisture and will drain the water out. I did this with my MDA back in the day and it worked.
[G1 Android Development] Disco_Stu:
Hi everyone,

Finally got around to registering here after months of reading :)

For those using the Dream in Australia on Optus, the 1.5 update won't be provided OTA, rather you will be told to manually update your device from the updates on HTC's site... which is all well and good.

BUT

I can't get it to work. After a bulk of the last 48 hours searching for why, I'm still no closer.

My devices is using RC8. I've tried following the instructions on HTC's page, as well as the excellent tutorial on this forum (with the aim to go to JF's 1.5 image) all to no avail.

The 2 errors I'm constantly coming up against are either no signature/verification failed, or when booting while holding the camera button I get the rainbow screen and no bootloading.

I've tried various SD cards (incl. reformatting), checked MD5's of images, tried various images and while the various solutions I've found seem to work for others, I seem to be having no luck.

Could this be something inherent with the Australian build?

Otherwise, if anyone can offer any advice, it really would be hugely appreciated. And if any further information on my device is required, please ask, I'm not sure what else may be needed.

Thanks in advance :)

Stu
[G1 Android Development] beagz:
I rooted my phone using this outline here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=475381

I am sure the information is the same but maybe with different wording you may discover something you missed.
[G1 Android Development] Disco_Stu:
Hi,

Thanks, I hadn't seen that one. Going through (word by word :p ) and trying now, will let you know. :)

Stu
[G1 Android Development] Disco_Stu:
Same result as earlier when booting while holding the camera button.

I get the grey screen, then it says 00028002 (I think) and "not allow" before going to the rainbow screen. At no point do I have any instructions.

At the rainbow screen it reads:

DREA110 PVT 32B

HBOOT-0.95.0000

CPLD-4

RADIO-1.22.14.11

Sep 2 2009

Serial 0
[G1 Android Development] beagz:
ok, let's do this. Please tell me what you are trying to flash to your phone first. Please provide the file name and what proceedure you are using. Do not refer to a post, provide your own description, step-by-step.
[G1 Android Development] ESKIMOn00b:
I believe he's having a problem due to the rc7 update being for uk g1 not austrian

Dude with singapore g1 got same numbers from bootloader... you prob need to follow instructions from that thread... sorry link broken due to my in ability to copy and paste properly its in this forum in a thread about singapore g1... it looks pretty daunting... good luck
[G1 Android Development] Disco_Stu:
OK, updated and playing with JF 1.5 now :)

For all Aussie users, the 27 steps referenced at the bottom of page 1 does the trick nicely!

Thanks all!!
[G1 Android Development] beagz:
Congrats!

Enjoy your new phone that is fully customizable. You are now part of the G1 addicts group.
[G1 Android Development] ESKIMOn00b:
well im glad you got it... especially with my inability to give directions (or links) at 3AM... (and apparent inability discern australia from austria ;) )

happy updating, themeing, or what ever other variety of root goodies you find yourself wanting to indulge in

:)
[G1 Android Development] Disco_Stu:
If I was actually Australian I'd probably have taken more offence hehe (I'm a kiwi living here).

Actually there's not a lot I want to do... we don't have access to paid apps yet, and the trial home apps are pretty limited. I've been planning on learning some programming to write a few wee apps to automate a few things at work, so it's more for that. But as someone with no programming experience bar creating batch files in MS-DOS, it's pretty daunting!
[G1 Android Development] santela:
**Alrite fellow members, so I tried samysam05's method on page3, worked flawlessly! follow his codes in ur terminal, and you will get your storage back. (I went from 37MB straight to 70MB) Round of applause for samysam05:D!**

So far I've known at least another person with the same issue, I wanna know if there's more.

This is what happened. I had JFv1.43Holiday, before flashing my phone with JF's cupcake.

Then I flashed the 1.5 radio from HTC, then JFv1.5 without doing a wipe. I used to have 51MB left (I do have apps2sd with data on phone), and after flashing only 30MB.

So I thought this might be caused by the fact I didn't wipe or I had data on my phone instead of SD card. I did a wipe, re-installed JFv1.5, supposedly I should have around 70MB left like others, but I only have 52MB, when I didn't install anything at all.

If anyone know why this is happening, please help! Greatly appreciated!:o
[G1 Android Development] kylebrodeur:
I've noticed the same thing.
[G1 Android Development] davil124:
same here...i am running the App to SD and i have been having only 32mb of "available space"...i dont know wats been going on with my available space ever since i left JFRC33 Mod to does roms nd nos 1.5.
[G1 Android Development] santela:
Looks like im not the only one. hope someone can help us fix this.
[G1 Android Development] johnnylicious:
happend to me also.

im down to like 28mb with only 10-15 apps installed =(

wonder whats wrong hmmm.
[G1 Android Development] djdeviance:
Do a wipe then follow the steps for apps to sd. Hopefully you have a partitioned card. I had about 30mb after wipe. Then followed Haykuro's app to sd tutorial and 63mb free now.
[G1 Android Development] santela:
So even if I already have app2sd i should still do it again with haykuro's method? (i do hv a partitioned card).
[G1 Android Development] jikei:
I also have this problem and *do not* and have never had apps on my SD card. I was on JF 1.42/RC33, did radio update, then JF 1.5. Didn't do a wipe before 1.5, but after root didn't work, did a wipe, then re-applied 1.5. No apps installed (straight from boot) and only 51mb free.
[G1 Android Development] santela:
Yeah, i think we are on the same boat here, n more n more ppl r realizing this... hope we can get some attention on solving this, so far nth had worked.
[G1 Android Development] ramkt8:
Try this... Install the files as mentioned..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=494281

Install the files as mentioned...

File #1 from the terminal... and File #2 from the Boot screen Terminal.

u ll have 73 mb of memory on the phone.. and never crashes...
[G1 Android Development] jikei:
While that option is obviously available to everybody, some people may not want to go that route forever reason. The problem some are experiencing in this thread is obviously an issue of some sort. Personally, I've tried myself to get apps on the SD card, but not being very technical I was unable to get the SD card partitioned correctly. May try again as it appears SDSPLIT (which I attmpted to use) appears to have been updated.
[G1 Android Development] santela:
Before i try this, I'm just somewhat curious: Even if i already got apps2sd, i should still do it again using this method? Sorry, Im not very technical...
[G1 Android Development] santela:
Alrite guys, this is what i found out (ignore me if you already know).

I flashed Dude's 1.5, and official 1.5 by HTC, it appears that on any of those roms i still only get 51 or 52MB of space regardless. So it's not a problem with JF's rom. I didn't try Haykuro's, but I'm not gonna expect miracles.

I also tried flashing with a different SD card, which also didn't help. im suspecting that it's something weird with the 1.5 version itself, maybe all of us did something different to cause the loss is storage space.

I haven't tried alternative APPS2SD methods yet, just because it seems pretty painful... I will if i can't figure this out.
[G1 Android Development] sino8r:
Maybe the 20 MB was used for the rom and system files itself... the cupcake-ish builds are a lot heaver than jfrc33 was. The same happens to me on jf1.5, H & G builds (Dudes and Hayruko) whether a2sd or not. Maybe a lot of dead files are left or something but probably just the extra weight such as vk, video rec., newer core, opengl, extra animations, ect. May be I am wrong and there is a fix... Dudes G build (heavily modded to be si

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milar to H builds goodies) seems to give me the most free space for extra apps. Maybe that is a good alternative for some until the ota RC build is ripped and rooted by JF...
[G1 Android Development] jikei:
I'm thinking that's what it is. dalvik-cache is like 20mb on JF 1.5 (at least it was on the way my phone did it before I started the process I noted below). Just for ****s and giggles I deleted the directory and rebooted (had no idea what would happen) and it put it all back (same size).

I'm in the process of going back to RC29, will root the phone, will upgrade to JF 1.42 RC33 then to JF 1.5 from there and see what it shows.
[G1 Android Development] kizer:
It is the dalvik, when I checked right after install it was like 21meg after install and grew to 26meg fast.
[G1 Android Development] jikei:
I started from scratch:

Installed RC29 (reported 71mb free) Rooted the phone.

Wiped, then upgraded to JF 1.42 RC33 (reported 71mb free, dalvik-cache was like 1.2mb)

Updated radio.

Wiped, then upgraded to JF 1.5 (52mb free).

So, as sino8r's speculated above, either 1) JF 1.5 and other varients (Dude/Haykuro/Official HTC) are just larger, in which case, Google sucks for that, and it will just force those to move their apps to the SD card or 2) I'm a total ****ing idiot (quite possible)
[G1 Android Development] santela:
Well, right now I agree with ur (1), since i basically tried every build, same result all the way...
[G1 Android Development] ESKIMOn00b:
It must be the dalvik cache... have both apps and dalvik on my sd and have 61 free, regular caches are still in system... best I see with the new builds with both apps and dalvik on sd is 65 ish...

Got like 70 max in rc33... so id guess the firmware is slightly bigger but it also prob has something to do with the dalvik cuz I'm only down 5mb not 20mb
[G1 Android Development] theorion:
It IS the dalvik! When i was on jf 1.43 i had like 70ish free, when i upgraded i had 63 free! And to make sure i wouldnt run into trouble i went in the terminal and erased the stuff in system/sd to make sure i wouldnt have leftovers in there, then i did all the steps of app2sd EXCEPT dalvik, then i ended up with 64 mb free.

After a reboot, and then doing the last step with dalvik it was up at a swapping 71mb free!

Thats also why im now gonna use mybackup, followed with nandroids every 2nd month aprox, and put those 2 files on my laptop and a cd-rw, and then i will update both locations acordingly, and use dalvik on the sd.. I can afford to buy a new sd when its lifetime cycles of usages is over :) And then have a fast responding phone with a gazillion of apps on :D!!
[G1 Android Development] kingzero90:
Well i have 73mb on JFv1.5. And i have appstosd with app, app-private, data, and dalvik-cache.

Before installing jf i did a wipe.
[G1 Android Development] redvinestudios:
I'm a very analytical person... I've somehow got this to work, at one point, but the whole OS went to heck and then bricked itself (pre-1.50), and reflashed and started from scratch.

I'm on JF1.50 mod, and it's great. I load up Apps to SD and load up roms from my properly formated EXT2 (1 gig), 7 gig Fat 32 = 8 gb total class 6 card. I enter apps to SD and tell it to copy things over. It does so... apps disappear from the menu.

Then I can't download anything from the market, nor can I reboot, at all. The phone bricks itself, I go into recovery console, and reupdate the system and back to square one.

Where am I going wrong? Can someone please explain the one step I'm missing?

Thank you in advance... and God bless you! =oP

-Tim

Red Vine Studios

http://redvinestudios.com
[G1 Android Development] samysam05:
for those having problem with the space remaining try this:

cp -a /data/dalvik-cache /system/sd/dalvik-cache
rm -r /data/dalvik-cache
ln -s /system/sd/dalvik-cache /data/dalvik-cache
reboot

That should bring you up to atleast 55+ mb... it worked for me.
[G1 Android Development] V_RocKs:
Don't forget that with JF1.43 you most likely ran:

copy.sh data

which moved your data to the SD also... Right now you only moved your apps.
[G1 Android Development] santela:
Thank you samysam05! ur method brought me all the way from 37mb to a booming 70mb! quite amazing i have to say, and everything's running great!!! Thank you so much!
[G1 Android Development] Wisefire:
Awesome, I just followed the following steps and they worked great. I went from 14mb's free to 54.
[G1 Android Development] reuthermonkey:
What's the point of entirely avoiding to use your phone's memory?
[G1 Android Development] santela:
you feel safe :D
[G1 Android Development] billc.cn:
This happens because the new system is too big and there's no space for the .odex files any more, so all system apps has to be extracted to dalvik-cache.

this is also why the first boot after a system update is so slow. (if you look at the output from logcat, you'll see installd is extracting every apk.