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[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Mr. Makk:
hey frnds.

Is it called TouchFlo os is it called Manilla..??

This is not a noob question. Cause as far as i know Manilla is the UI and TouchFlo is the software that accelerates the Manilla and all the scrolling in HTC devices.

Let me know if am wrong cause everywhere people take touchflo and manilla as the same thing.

Am snnoyed cause i need a cab that only installs the TouchFlo and not the Manilla. The TouchFlo is present as the OEM in the kitchen. Am providing the OEM in a zip file Attached Below.

If anyone could please create a cab file of it, it would be highly appreciated.

Thanks.

MAKK
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mancsoulja:
I always assumed that manilla was a working name for the touchflo, ie when companies work on projects they are reluctant to refer to it as it retail name, if you look on your device it dosent say manila anywhere, so that would make me think that the touchflo is the name of the ui, where as manila was its development name! maybe im wrong thats just my 2 cents :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] racerx_:
well i'm not sure cause ppl do use them interchangeably, but from what i understand touchflo and manilla are 2 separate things.. however, i *think* touchflo3D and manilla are the same thing haha.. so that's my 2 cents
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Jura_ZG:
TouchFlo first appeared on the original HTC Touch (a.k.a. Elf). It represented the "technology" which allowed us to scroll through menus(programs,steeings...) or in other words it allowed us to use finger action to access certain tasks( ie Cube).

Touchflo3D appeared with the Diamond and Raphael and it represents the same "technology"(using fingeraction to scroll through aplications) but in which the 3d represented the improved version of HTC Home(which was also available on the original touch).

As I see it manlilla represented the working version of TouchFLo3D nothing else.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dickenz:
Spot on. Agree totally.

For further reference just look at the .exe - Manila.exe

There are no settings regarding Manila in Settings > System > TouchFLO.

It's just simple options such as enlarge start menu, enable sound when finger scrolling etc.. Which points towards Touchflo being the software that handles the kinetic scrolling etc and not the interface itself.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Mr. Makk:
yep that is what even i thought so. i.e manila being the UI and touchflo being the technology of scrolling which supports manila.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] razielu:
I'm pretty sure that Manilla is an internal working name [codename if you will] of this application, while TouchFlo 3D would be the commercial name [i.e. the name that is visible to the user and the name used to advertise the feature]. That is why it's internal files, such as the *.exe, are named Manilla and inside those files, the app is referenced as Manilla, while in the Control Panel and everywhere the "normal user" interacts with this app or its settings it's referenced as TouchFlo 3D.

Think of the Manilla-TouchFlo 3D duo in the likeness of the Longhorn-Windows Vista duo. Longhorn was the development codename, while Windows Vista is the commercial name of the operating system.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mancsoulja:
Thats wot i thought :D lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] rondol1:
You are quite right on that. But there is an essential difference between TouchFlo and TouchFlo 3D.

As it is, the statement that TouchFlo (without "3D") represents the "scrolling-with-your-finger-instead-of-the-stylus-precisely-on the-scrollbar"technique is right too.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] razielu:
I did not say TouchFlo. I said TouchFlo 3D. And Touch Flo was the first version of the respective application. TouchFlo cannot quite be called a technology, it's only an app that stands on top of the Windows UI and alters touch behaviours.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] rondol1:
Don't get all upset, I just explained to the original poster.....
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] razielu:
I didn't get upset. Sorry if it seemed that way.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] daeshawn:
yup i think ur all right with the technology being touchflo 3d..I think manila is the actual interface as in the look, sorta like an app maybe like spb mobile hence manila 2d etc. could be wrong but thats how i look at it lol
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] okokur:
i can scroll in all my application with my finger without taking the scrollbar.

have i now change all my application to manila.totalcom, manila.spbXXX, and manila.garmin.mobile?

no,

manila exists longer than touch3d. it was only a program, a very big program :-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] booon:
I have been looking around for a clean Diamond wm6.5 rom, no HTC modificstions, just plain WM6.5, as microsoft designed it to look. I don't seem to be having much luck.

Does anyone know where one of these gems may be lurking, or do you have one??

any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

(I have tried searching the forums, many many times)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Biffert:
You should try BsB C2 ROM. Pretty much clean (not completely HTC free) and nice and stable :)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=506533

(The screens show a customized look, but the C2 version has stock icons and themes)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] booon:
Yea, I am using this rom at the moment, it is very good.

But it has the enlarged menus, which i know are very popular with many people, but i prefer the default wm sized menus. Do you know how to change them to default?

I think it is pretty much the only thing i do not like about this rom. it's otherwise excellent.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Mr. Makk:
try out my rom. see if you like. its in full and clean version, clean means completely clean of htc.

link is in my signature. next release coming out in 2hrs.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] booon:
I will certainly give it a go. I'll wait for your latest version. Does it have a customized splash screen? I just want default everything.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] htakahasyd5:
Your ROM doesn't look clean because of the task bar. For me, BsB65a is the best clean WM6.5 ROM.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] booon:
Hi,

I just tried your ROM, and although very good, it includes non original wm6.5 stuff, like HTC menu enhancements, and a custom taskbar icon set, custom splash screen and customized start menu icons, and highlights.

I thought you said it was clean , and only included WM6.5 default stuff??

Ben.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Mr. Makk:
taskbar is removed. only includes menu enhancement.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] luzok:
you can disable HTC rhodium menu in registry.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] TheMafioso:
I'm looking for a clean 6.5 rom too, the last version if possible. If there are HTC Customs things, no problems for me, but by clean i mean original menu, with honeycomb
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] venuva:
Ahen 6.5-6e-Clean

its the new release guys. even more cleaner than before faster and the latest.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dereknas:
Is there anyway to revert to the original win mobile 6.5 splash-screen/bootup?
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
I decided to try my hand at putting apps on the SD card for the first time. I have Kaykuro's latest apps2sd 1.5 version. I partitioned by 8GB SD card with a 300MB EXT2 system and the rest FAT32. I followed the instructions on his wiki and i am now in an infinite loop when it is booting. I did make a full nandroid backup before doing this. Can anyone help me find out what i did wrong and how to get it back up and running? Below are all of the commands I gave it.

C:\Documents and Settings\Garrett>adb devices

List of devices attached

HT848GZ29009 device

C:\Documents and Settings\Garrett>adb remount

remount succeeded

C:\Documents and Settings\Garrett>adb shell

# df

df

/dev: 49352K total, 0K used, 49352K available (block size 4096)

/sqlite_stmt_journals: 4096K total, 0K used, 4096K available (block size 4096)

/system: 69120K total, 65840K used, 3280K available (block size 4096)

/data: 76544K total, 55520K used, 21024K available (block size 4096)

/cache: 69120K total, 3924K used, 65196K available (block size 4096)

/system/sd: 294413K total, 13384K used, 281029K available (block size 1024)

/sdcard: 7463596K total, 187680K used, 7275916K available (block size 4096)

# cp -a /data/app /system/sd

cp -a /data/app /system/sd

cp: cannot remove '/system/sd/app': Is a directory

# rm -r /data/app

rm -r /data/app

# rm -r /data/app-private

rm -r /data/app-private

# ln -s /system/sd/app /data/app

ln -s /system/sd/app /data/app

# ln -s /system/sd/app-private /data/app-private

ln -s /system/sd/app-private /data/app-private

# reboot

reboot
[G1 Android Development] bsander:
Did you have the app "Contact Owner" installed? I had the same problem and from what I read it may have been caused by that app. If that's the case there's nothing short of a wipe that fixes it, I'm sorry.
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
Nope, i dont have that app installed. I just did a wipe of the phone (ALT+W) ill see if that helps at all.
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
the wipe got me back into the phone.... now im trying to see if things are going to the SD card or not. I have about 50MB free right now with no apps installed.
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
so after doing a wipe i can now get into the main OS. However, if i run the script again exactly how i posted above this time it works without giving me the directory error. When i reboot though i get stuck on the "Android" screen again. With the debug enabled i see "Scanning app dir /data/app-private" immediately after it gives me several errors "failure starting up core service" "Java.lang.nullpointerexception".

I dont understand why it is trying to look at /data.app-private doesnt the script i ran delete it? a few lines higher up it shows "skipping dir: /data/app/sd"

Can anyone help tell me what I am doing wrong with this?
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
Looks like apps to SD is never going to work for me....

I did manage to make sure both the app and app-private folders on the EXT2 and internal memory were completely empty. I ran through the procedure again and it appears to be placing the apps on the SD card now with new app installs but it also places them on the internal memory. I dont know if that is normal or not but i know my internal memory is decreasing each time i install an app and its not due to cached files in the browser, package installer or market. If anyone has any ideas please let me know, i would love to get this to work.
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
.

I'm trying to stay positive here and work through this but its getting very frustrating.

I formatted my entire SD card as FAT32, then formatted a 400MB EXT2 partion at the end of the card.

I wiped my phone, then installed the latest JF 1.5 ADP release. I installed the app called "AppsToSD" figuring this would be "idiot proof" so there is no way i could screw it up....

So the SD card was formatted, phone was wiped, JF applied, had to setup the google account so data was synced, then i went straight to the market and downloaded the "appsToSD" app, checked the box to copy existing apps (even though the only one is appstosd), then clicked "Move apps to SD", Quit, then rebooted the phone. Once it booted back up i figured I was done. Checked my internal memory available which was about 50MB. I started downloading all my apps again and now im back to having about 15MB free on my phone.

Is there anyone that can help me get my apps to install to my SD card? I have tried two different SD cards as well. Either I am doing something completely wrong no matter which tutorial I follow, my phone is jacked up, or all the Lemmings i killed years ago on the PC have come back from the dead and are screwing with me.

I can hook my phone up to my PC and can easily share the desktop so someone can look at the phone and run commands against it first hand if anyone out there is willing to lend me a hand with this. I am desperate!
[G1 Android Development] Rekna:
1) make sure your microSD card is class 6. Class 4 will not work and will cause your phone to crash like crazy and probably go into a boot loop.

2) make your partitions & format

3) install the cupcake version found here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=480582

4) open the terminal app

5) type 'su' and hit enter (without the quotes)

6) type 'lucid app' and hit enter (without the quotes)
[G1 Android Development] nockam:
Thanks for the info I will give that a try in about an hour and report back. I do however have a brand new Class4 8GB Sandisk card (from what i have read it looks like others have the same card with apps2sd without problems).

That shouldn't prevent me from doing this right? Just add a lag? I am just going to do the apps, no cache or anything else.
[G1 Android Development] Rekna:
I tried with a class 4 and couldn't get it to work. Though it may be because I moved more than just apps.
[HTC Excalibur] rosomak6000:
I have upgraded to Kavana 6.1 recently. Where I can check my device ID???

Thanks in advance!
[HTC Excalibur] stylez:
Decice ID = User Name....
[G1 Android Development] biz18434:
Thank You, for a great post but, can you please fix this link *** word docx with screenshots - http://kaysesoze.wordpress.com/wp-ad...ttachment_id=4

When I signed in I received the following message "You are not allowed to edit this attachment." Again THANK YOU,

V/R

Biz
[G1 Android Development] toconfuze1:
stuck

I installed paragon parttition manager 9 pro trial version after installtion I reboot and , it brought me to the blu paragon advance recovery screen...I notice I forgot to back up my sd card...but it won't let me out of this screen...tried rebooting it still brought me back to this screen...is there any solution for this problem....its gotta be something easy...I just don't know what to do to get back to my desktop.....HELP!!!!!!!!!PLEASE!!!
[G1 Android Development] robpet2:
thanks for bringing that to my attention.. will try and fix it..

during the paragon process it says do not interrupt it while it is formating, cause you pc can become unstable. and thats exactly what you did.. u might be able to press the esc button, i believe it gives that option at the bottom of the screen to exit it properly. but rebooting was wrong...

anytime u FORMAT any drive or card you will lose information, thats pc fundamentals... will add the issue about losing info to orig post..
[G1 Android Development] toconfuze1:
was stuck

thanks a lot....fixed
[G1 Android Development] stonefurry:
Help

I know I am always running into problems. But i am freakin out about this and i don't know if this is the right thread to be posting this or maybe someone can lead me to other thread with this fix.

Question

First i partitioned my mini sd card using my G1 with paragon manager and when everything was done the computer restarts.

But the weired :( thing is that now when i mount my G1. My G1 is recognized by my computer but it does not show me the storage device on my computer folder or even prompt me with opening a folder for my storoge card. I am freakin out.

Things i tried.

1. Rebooted my phone

2. nandrroid backup restore

3. restarted my computer

4. changed minisd cards.

5. uninstalling the usb android driver and reapplying it

6. went to usb debug on the settings on the phone

nothing worked. :( :mad:

Thanks . Any help would do.

------------------------

Fix ******Update

It took me alot of time to figure this out. if anyone gets this problem just assign your sdcard a Letter. Example: E: Drive.

When i look at these tutorials it does not mention anything like that.

thanks anyways
[G1 Android Development] robpet2:
1. did you do the fat32 first, then ext2 second ?

2. did you mount the sdcard to the pc ?

3. may show as F drive on your pc !!!
[G1 Android Development] Androidandy:
I used PM 10, it is very easy. However when the program wants to reboot it says there is an error, but I check that the ext2 partition is good by typing busybox df -h in terminal.

I've partitioned several cards now and they all work.

I found that doing a wipe then installing Lucid's rom.

I reinstall my applications from mybackup pro and downloading others from the market.

I test everything is working fine, then and only then I use the scripts that Lucid posted.

To recap ensure that busybox recognises the ext2 partition then wipe, install Lucids rom
[G1 Android Development] robpet2:
thank you for the info..

was looking for the commands to verify that the ext2 partition is done correctly, and of course it verifies that busybox is working also..
[G1 Android Development] Sheldonjace:
I'm having a large issue with my new Micro SD card.

When using PM and my MicroSD in an SD adapter it allows me to format and create partitions successfully JUST FINE with my Sandisk 2gb which is probably a class 2 or just not a class at all...it doesn't say on the card at all.

BUT I just bought a Transcend 8gb Class 6 HC card and when using the SD adapter the computer recognizes it just fine to open and view files...BUT Paragon says its "Invalid" and won't allow me to format, partition, or anything.

I have no idea what needs to be done differently. It works just fine in the phone and moving files but Paragon won't recognize it or allow it to be modified.
[G1 Android Development] limakev123:
I need some help please!!!

First of I'm new to all this so I'm a nood and I need some help massively I have trying to make this ext2 partition on ubumtu for months and always get an error message and a lost and found folder in the ext2 partition. Found these directions and finally make the partition w/ no error messages. Fat32 1st then ext2 2nd type busybox command so I think its done right. So I try to mkdir /system/sd/app for marcus directions on apps to sd to use his apps to sd2 app and I get error /system/sd/app read only. Why is that so? I look in pargan partitioner were I made the parition and there both still there. I would be greatfull if anyone can help out a nood like me limakev123@gmail.com. I have been trying to get this ext2 partiton for months and today thought I did it correct cause no error messages and boy was I wrong!! Please anyone help !!

Bronze G1 W/ JF 1.5 cupcake W/Areo

NO APPS TO SD1! HELP PLEASE

Saphire SLP

Limakev123@gmail.com
[G1 Android Development] insanemonkey:
i like this tuturial, but one problem, doesnt work with vista 64bit -.-

im literally crying :(
[G1 Android Development] missxoash:
So every time I try to format, my phone unmounts my damn card.

Any ideas?
[G1 Android Development] bran1093:
worked for me on vista 64 :)
[G1 Android Development] bran1093:
Using Paragon or windows?
[G1 Android Development] insanemonkey:
im have the same problems as her, i dunno why
[G1 Android Development] :
I am running vista 64 and paragon profesional. I can get it to format and can get the ext2, but I can not do anything with the card. I try and reformat the fat32 and give it a letter for a drive but it wont take or if i format it and then create the ext2 it gives the ext the drive letter(both cannot have a drive) What gives and in the meantime I have to use the 1gig because although paragon recognizes the sd card my pc does not!
[G1 Android Development] osideous:
so i've done everything in the tutorial. and even the coding for checking busybox.

it doesnt show the ext2.

and i tried running the lucid commands

and it says ext2 is not mounted.
[G1 Android Development] pr0cl1v1ty:
i get all the way to the ext2 part the very last thing

like mount/dismount and i get a error

saying to close a program or restart pc

cant close program because i dont know what it is so i click retry same error

i restarted pc 2 times

still same thign tried reformatting all over again what am i doing wrong? thanks guys!
[G1 Android Development] robpet2:
are u using a sdcard reader ??
[G1 Android Development] cidica:
I'm gonna add a not to this for the OP.

While your method does require a reboot there is another way of doing it as well that does not require one at all.

If you do the normal steps to make the fat32 partition once that is done just resize the fat32 partition to the size you want it (for ext2/3) apply the changes and it will just do it without a restart. That's how I've been doing mine and honestly I've yet to run into an issue. That and I hate rebooting my win7 machine for no reason and a format is not a reason for me to reboot :)
[G1 Android Development] robpet2:
ahh but you have windows7 ... the instructions were for WindowsXP... some people still have XP..

but windows7 and vista work different..
[G1 Android Development] cidica:
Not really. Even with your method Windows 7 and Vista both had to reboot to format the sdcard. with mine it should work in XP as well without a reboot at all. While I may be on Win7 it's still XP/Vista while there are differences it's not "super" major The major difference being I'm moving/resizing the original partition that was made fat32 I'm not doing a totally new one (even though it is it's doing it different but it working without reboots)
[G1 Android Development] pr0cl1v1ty:
I have tried both from the phone and from the sd card reader wjhat should I use?

Also my pc won't pic up the sd card anymore, the partion manager will

Could it be that partion manager isn't the right version? Because I tried to find one for vista x64 for free like a full version I think I got it so what do u think

Thanks bro!
[G1 Android Development] :
Basically my problem with this is that when I create the ext2 it makes it the primary and assigns the drive letter that was used for the fat32 to it. In this case now I can access the ext2 but not put stuff on the fat32 from my pc. Hopefully my problem makes sense
[G1 Android Development] pandemonia99:
Worked perfectly, thank you.
[G1 Android Development] nabzilla1990:
when you partition with this my memory card readers dont work anymore just able to move files through the phone mounting and unmounting is anyone else getting this problem
[G1 Android Development] rhwd2003:
Help

Ok guys I have bought a card reader and tried this plus I have it mounted in the phone as well.

I downloaded the partition magic 8 plus... and everytime I load it up it only shows drive C: i can't see drive E: wihch is the drive with the sd card... I have tried both in the phone and in the reader.

Any thoughts on how to fix this?

I also have downloaded the android usb drivers and installed those as well.

Please help!
[G1 Android Development] DMaverick50:
Im losing my mind? I am good at following instructions but...

This is the third tutorial ive tried.

When im in partition manager and right click on sd card there is no "format" option

when i click 'create partition' and select the sd card it says, " a new partition cannot be created on this hard disk. Most probably, all primary slots are occupied and there is no extended partition"

I dont know if god exists but some higher force is really against the partitioning of my f-ing sd card.

please please help me!!
[G1 Android Development] insanemonkey:
ok i flashed over, did a wipe and everything, im trying to get app2sd to work,

to find out that my sd card is located, i did

terminal..

su

busybox df -h

..

but its not showing system/sd

only shows /sdcard

then in terminal if i try making a new directory by

su

mkdir /system/sd/apps

..

i get mkdir failed for /system/sd/apps, Read-only file system

anyone help me??? please

and when i try to reformat my sd card it makes me unplug the usb saying there is not sdcard connect, which i reconnect(mount) and happens again, and i cant format sd card from system settings, sd and internal memory tab, anyway to do it from adb or terminal?