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[G1 General] exile20:
I am not sure that is true because not even the os runs completely smooth. The iphone runs at 412 mhz and the G1 can be over clocked to 527 Mhz and it does make the phone run smoother but it still lags here and there. Games seem to benefit but not as much so the bottleneck is the OS not the hardware? Does the iphone have more RAM? Simple games like Abduction still sticks during game play and that game is simple in graphics. I dont really understand the different between the iphone's os and android and how it works, maybe by Donut 2.0 it will be smooth. Apple did a good job on the OS tho.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/specs.html

http://www.htc.com/www/product/g1/specification.html
[G1 General] lstrike:
I am here right now with a G1 and both the 1st and second generation iPhones. I am running JF1.5 and the scrolling on the iPhone is NO WHERE near as fast or as accelerated as the G1 when you slide your finger down the screen.

The iPhone is SMOOTHER when scrolling yes, but with respect to speed in the browser the G1 scrolls significantly faster. On XDA Developers Forum home page when I slide my finger down the G1 I make my way significantly further down the page. Also you all aren't mentioning how when you scroll rapidly on the iPhone it creates those checker patterns while it renders the page at times. The G1 doesn't do that.

Yes the overall iPhone experience is a smoother more polished one from a UI standpoint but Android with cupcake is AMAZING. Also show me an iPhone widget. The G1 is only the 1st device less then 8 months out.
[G1 General] lstrike:
Also I remember there being an issue with the Qulacomm graphics acceleration. Sometype of legal issue where chipset drivers were not available or something. Or the chipset was locked down. This may be our main problem with gaming / smoothness:

"The 7201a has video recording acceleration disabled, as per the copyright suit against Qualcomm, which makes the 7201a. Europe may get it, but not North America will not, assuming it is possible. If the function was disabled on die, firmware or software will not fix it"

I will tell you this the iPhone screen is better than the G1 screen hands down. The big difference is the color not the resolution. Where you watch the SAME YouTube video in HQ for both phones using WiFi the iPhones screen colors are much more vivid and the pictures colors blend far better. You can see the difference between a screen capable of 16.7 millions color vs 65k.
[G1 General] lstrike:
Incorrect. Like I mentioned before running CUPCAKE on the G1 and selecting HQ for the video although the videos look great the iPhone is NOTICEABLY better looking. I was a little taken aback.

The other poster who asked if it is the color I would definitely presume that has a great deal of impact on the difference between the two. Seriously (and I am not biased I USE the G1 but I own both iPhones) the video quality difference is not even debatable. If you were to compare the same videos on both like I have done it really is a pretty big difference. Again the G1 looks good but in comparison the iPhone looks great.
[G1 General] jashsu:
This is, as I pointed out earlier, due to the requirement to run in a VM. When the VM is doing garbage collection, the stuttering occurs. It's not a hardware problem.

I've tried out a friend's iPhones (both 1st and 2nd gen) and I still wouldn't give up Android's capability to truly multitask and run apps in the background.
[G1 General] lstrike:
Yes sir, games aside I pick Android all day long for everything else (and I have). And media like video playback is not bad by any means on the G1. At this point I really think Android is moving along nicely.

As good as it is now so long as Google and the community doesn't rest (and I don't see that happening) it is almost scary to think where will be this time next year.
[G1 General] mannyb:
Overall I'd say the iPhone is still ahead, but not by much. 1.5 is great. Given the pace of the Android development I'd say it'll overtake the iPhone OS before the end of the year.
[G1 General] Henchman:
Who cares about multitasking when surfing on the G1 is still an absolutely painfully slow experience, even on 1.5
[G1 General] leoni1980:
I can only speak from my perspective, and don't have great technical expertise, but here's my opinion.

I am the owner of an iPhone 3g which I purchased in October 2008 to use with my T-Mobile SIM. I also have a Google G1 in white which I received as an upgrade. I have the iPhone jailbroken with Cycorder, SwirlyMMS and a few other tweaks; I have the G1 rooted with the 1.5 update.

For web browsing the G1 renders pages better. It also never crashes; the iphone on the other hand is prone to crashing on high-demand pages such as Facebook. On the other hand the general experience of using the iPhone browser is a LOT more pleasurable in my opinion owing to the quick pinch/pull zoom system and the smoother scrolling. I also prefer the onscreen keyboard on the iphone over both the Cupcake keyboard AND the hardware keyboard. This is just my preference though.

Video performance is not something I have much experience with in respect of the G1, however I am sure that the iPhone plays YouTube videos much more smoothly than the G1 when comparing the native apps side by side. It also offers a proper BBC iPlayer page which I use an awful lot.

Neither camera is superb but the iPhone camera, despite its lower resolution and fixed lens, offers snappier and sharper photos. It seemingly has a wider aperture to let more light to the CMOS. Video quality with Cycorder is distinctly sharper than the grainy and dark effort that the G1 offers with the Cupcake update.

Social Networking is important to me, and the iPhone offers a huge number of Twitter apps with polished interfaces, the G1 has far fewer, the best probably being Twidroid. Good as it is it isn't as nice to use as, say Tweetie or Twitterlator. The iPhone offers a native facebook application with Chat and a huge number of IM clients that support IM and Facebook Chat. All of the G1 IM clients I've tried are buggy and prone to crashing. Although apps are not directly linked to performance they certainly make a difference to the usability and day-to-day usefulness of the phone.

For me the iPhone is the winner, at least for now.
[G1 General] lstrike:
I don't know. I have both iPhones and a G1. I can't take a decent photo with the iPhone to save my life unless I have great lighting and zero motion. Since cupcake the camera on the G1 has been significantly updated for speed. The autofocus snaps and grabs. I have taken some very decent pics with the G1. Stuff not possible with the iPhone.

Example I take pictures out of my car sometimes when I see a cool car driving. Today I got some pics of a nice black 57 Chevy...They came out blur free!

Also I will take the speed of the G1 on the net over the iPhones smooth scrolling when it actually isn't on the checkered screen any day. Also with JF1.5 you have the multi touch browser. Only thing not present is the double tap to zoom. I saw it on one of the Haykuro roms but yeah I do like that feature on the iPhone. You are correct with the Safari crashing though. That gets old fast. The iPhone touch keyboard may have an advantage over the G1's BUT I can slide out my real qwerty and smoke the iPhones touchscreen all day.

They are both nice phones but at the end of the day I am all about messaging and for me the iPhones keyboard doesn't cut it. I have had people comment in the speed I type on the iPhone but it is not without errors and still not as fast as with the physical keyboard.
[G1 General] lstrike:
You must be in a terrible 3G area for TMobile. Pages load as fast as the iPhone G1 over here all day long. Overall although I wish it was as smooth as my iPhones because of scrolling and rendering speed plus the roller ball, finger interface plus real keyboard makes it far more pleasurable for me to surf on my G1 than my iPhones.
[G1 General] leoni1980:
Disbelief

I fail to believe that anyone with both devices could find the G1's camera to be better - as the GENUINE owner of both devices, and an experienced one at that, I have found the G1 camera to be terrible at rendering naturalistic images, with absolutely awful shutter lag and too small an aperture to let a decent amount of light hit the sensor in anything but the brightest conditions. As I said I have one of the newest cupcake builds and the 2.2 iphone firmware (not 2.2.1).

I am going to a barbeque later on so could take some pictures on the two phones and upload them if anyone wishes to doubt my integrity. I would be keen for Istrike to do the same too.

With respect to the browsers on the two devices: well I'm now on the G1 sending this second reply and it is a quite pleasurable experience, but I certainly don't prefer this hardware keyboard. I have switched between both phones over the last few months and have found myself to be a lot faster at typing on the iphone keyboard than on either this hardware keyboard or the onscreen one that comes with cupcake. One point worth considering though is that I know my G1's browser won't crash!

Overall I think it is about personal choice, but for me as a social networkaholic and a lover of podcasts, online video content, browsing and music the iphone is just a more polished machine for me. This really is just my opinion and some people may prefer the G1s keyboard. I think as the owner of both devices though my opinion is very valid.
[G1 General] lstrike:
WOW...Disbelief? As if the iPhone had such a great camera that it could actually be so much better than the bottom of the barrel camera phones?

So as a genuine owner are you saying I am not? Using words like integrity are you implying I have none? Where would you like me to post picks? Give me a few minutes and I will take some pics of the iPhone with my G1. Also I will post some close ups with the G1 and other pics as well.

Use your iPhone in less than perfect lighting and hit something with motion.

And you are using 1.5? I am a little surprised that a person would actually defend the iPhone camera at all. The camera is REALLY bad. The G1 isn't much better and I agree that before 1.5 it was a slug if you were no using the 3rd party app. That being said with 1.5 it is way better. Again I wouldn't take it with me and leave home my real camera but in a pinch if I catch Elvis running around it will do. I have more confidence that if he is moving the camera will not blur. The iPhone in anything less than perfect light forget about it.

I am also at a loss that a person can say that a browser renders faster and never crashes prefers one that does crash. Why? If you have your phone rooted I suggest you use a ROM that allows your multitouch to pinch like the iPhone. Having said that you probably aren't using the G1 as your primary phone anyways correct?
[G1 General] leoni1980:
I prefer the iphone browser because it is easier and more convenient to use. The G1 browser just seems like a lot more effort to me. I'd does crash occasionally on picture-heavy sites but overall provides me with a better experience for the usage I have for it. I emphasize that the G1 browser is very good, but I find myself using the iPhone browser more often as it just seems more fluid.

I have to laugh at the idea that the G1 camera is snappier than the iPhone's - are you SURE you have a G1? I'd be interested to hear from other owners of both devices and see if I've just gone crazy.

I just tried to take a picture of myself in my bedroom on both devices and was unable to get a single picture on the G1 that wasn't blurry, and I was really trying. I have no axe to ground - again I have BOTH devices and still use the G1 a lot, but your remarks about the snappiness of the G1 camera do make me doubt your credibility.

The iPhone camera isn't meant to be a full-on professional piece of equipment; it is meant to act as a means of taking quick, reliable pictures in most conditions, as (I imagine) is the G1's. The iPhone clearly wins though, and for it's intended purpose as a snap/email/upload tool it works very well.
[G1 General] lstrike:
Am I sure? LOL...dude what is it with you? First you take a shot at me about being a GENUINE iPhone owner and now the G1? You apparently are the only one who can formulate an opinion on phones huh?

Give me a few minutes and I will upload some pics for you to prove I have both.
[G1 General] leoni1980:
just some pictures

Not an ideal situation as these are compressed, but these are some pictures i've just taken around my house with both phones under the same conditions. Personally I think the iPhone's look more natural and sharper.

And a picture of my phones together....

NOTE: the G1 pictures are the ones with the date as the title.
[G1 General] lstrike:
That post didn't submit right it was missing an edit I made after taking side buy side shots with both. Here is the edit that didn't go:

PS - I just took a mini photo shoot outside in the sun and 3 observations.

1. You cannot shoot photos as up close with the iPhone as you can with the G1. Obvious with the auto focus.

2. The iPhones screen color makes a GIGANTIC difference when taking pictures. The 16m colors vs 65k is very evident. Night and day.

3. G1 & the iPhone in most cases when snapped at the same time were more or less ready to take the next shot with very little difference. Indoors with low light the iPhone was slightly quicker as the G1's autofocus did its thing. Outdoors the G1 was ready to go slightly quicker. That being said in Haykuro's update with the HTC camera when the autofocus what shut off it was very fast. I am currently using JF1.5.

Again I took side by side shots with both cameras so as to remove any bias! It doesn't make sense for you to shoot at your barbi-q and me over here since location and environmental variable differences will not show you the difference unless you attempt to take as close to the same pictures possible with BOTH phones at the same time more or less.

I will post links later.
[G1 General] leoni1980:
"unless you attempt to take as close to the same pictures possible with BOTH phones at the same time more or less."

Done. Check my link.
[G1 General] speoples20:
Sounds like your G1 is broken or something because the camera on my phone is really quick. I was at a bike race the other week and used my camera to take pictures and not a single blur. As for the browser the G1 is faster and more stable than the iphone. But I guess its personal preferance.

Here is the one of the pictures I took with the camera. They are riding at about 35 to 40 mph. While its not an amazing picture I say its pretty good for the G1. This is with JF1.5 rom fyi.
[G1 General] lstrike:
Give me a couple more minutes to get the iPhone pics up...
[G1 General] lstrike:
I agree maybe your G1 is not 100% right. Glad that someone else is around to comfirm. Pics are uploading.
[G1 General] lstrike:
Here you go...I think what took what is obvious as I put the opposite phone in the pic.

Also I tagged with the phone name that took the pic.

http://picasaweb.google.com/Luisrm02/G1VsIPhonePics#
[G1 General] leoni1980:
Of COURSE - I have a broken G1 - why didn't I think of that before? The famous fault where the lens is crap. I capitulate: G1 is clearly better because mine is faulty.

Joking aside though, I'm sure I could've spent all day making my pictures look great on each device, but I just wanted to imagine I'm in a position where I just have to take a quick snap, so I took two on each phone in the same conditions and posted the best ones.

Performance isn't about the camera, I only really use the cameras on my phone for quick snaps for Twitter or Facebook and I never really need close-up shots so for my usage the iPhone has a better camera, particularly when combined with the vast number of applications that utilize it. I'm sure you all have you're own reasons foe preferring the G1, but at the moment I'm keener on the iPhone. I'm not going to sell the G1 though as I really REALLY like it. It's certainly the best contract phone I've ever owned.
[G1 General] lstrike:
You are a funny guy. What the other poster was referring to was your comment speaking to it being laughable that the G1 could be snappier than the iPhone and that the G1 is slow creating blurry shots. Both of us feel the G1 is plenty quick. Also as I pointed out they are both around the same speed at snapping and moving on to the next shot depending on light conditions.

Also your whole arrogant attitude that OH I can't believe you even have the phones based on your comments was in bad taste. Go look at my pics. I even tossed in a box pic for you so you can see what I have.

You acted as if it is SUCH a gigantic difference with the iPhone being great and the G1 being terrible based on my initial comment about the iPhones blurry pics when in motion.

I stand by that statement. I will upload motion shots I have taken with my G1 out the window of my car. No blur...That is something I do often and I was always bothered by the fact I couldn't get a clean shot with the iPhone. Went bowling with my kids and the lighting in the allow plus my kids moving = blurry pics and it sucked! I just wanted a couple of shots in a pinch and I couldn't do it.

And don't even get me started on messaging.
[G1 General] lstrike:
PS - do me a favor and take a few close ups with both like I did. I got a few more I took yesterday of my wifes nose ring and stuff...I know for SURE I could not have gotten shots like that with my iPhone.

Give me a few I will post them...Ok posted in the same album G1 closeups...SHOW me closeups with your iPhone...I Know my iPhone can't get as close without blurring as the G1. Yes the autofocus helps but that is the stock camera vs stock camera.
[G1 General] lstrike:
And by the way to this:

"I have to laugh at the idea that the G1 camera is snappier than the iPhone's - are you SURE you have a G1?"

YES, I am sure...matter of fact I have 2 G1's.

Check the pic (PS - For perspective I was doing around 90 trying to get that shot. I think the guy thought I was trying to race when I just wanted to get close for a shot. Came out pretty clean no?):
[G1 General] Shrivel:
I think we need to define what's meant by "faster." I don't have an iPhone, but my son has a 16GB Ipod Touch, which I am assuming is the same in terms of browsing experience.

Over Wifi, my G1 LOADS web pages faster, but scrolling and navigating around a page once it's loaded is noticeably faster and smoother on the iPod. The multitouch functionality of the G1 is gross compared to the iPod.

That said, I don't know how Iphonies live without multitasking. I mean, my freaking Windows Mobile phone did that stuff years ago. I could personally care less about the camera quality - as long as it takes a pic and some video, I'm good.

I would love to have some the apps that the Iphone has, but I realize that will take some time. Just give me bloody Pandora app in the meantime to hold me over!:)
[G1 General] mannyb:
That's pretty much exactly my experience too. I've been tinkering a lot with my brother's iPhone 3G 16 GB, comparing load times etc with my Dream. They load and render web pages roughly as quickly, with a few seconds advantage to the Dream (since 1.5/Cupcake), but navigating, scrolling, zooming etc is still a lot better on the iPhone. Fast scrolling, though, results in an annoying checkers pattern for about half a second before the iPhone renders the graphics. No such thing on the Android phone.
[G1 General] lstrike:
The G1 does not scroll as smooth as the iPhone. That is a given. That being said slide your finger down your screen on both devices. The G1 is faster getting down the page. Go to the xda forums home page where you pick the device. Swipe your finger fast down both screens and see how quickly you get down to the dream. I bet you do it in fewer swipes on the G1 and that screen always has something on it once it loads. Unlike the iPhone where you get the checkers on a completely loaded page when you do the same.

Again I am running JF1.5. If I need to try and set up a camcorder and get video up I will try and do that but anyone who has both devices should be able to perform the same test.

The multitouch on the iPhone browser along with the double tapping is brilliant! The G1 is no comparison on smoothness there. Also I don't for one second even attempt to compare the screens as the iPhones is WAY better than the G1. That being said multitouch with respect to zoom on the G1 with JF 1.5 is not terrible at all. It does seem to work best if you place one finger and stretch with the other.

Again both browsers work REALLY well. On overall smoothness the iPhone wins. On scrolling smoothness the iPhone wins. On multitouch and gesture the iPhone wins. On scrolling speed. The rate at which you can get from point a on a web page scrolling to that which you can get to point b G1. Also in terms of scrolling the best part of the G1 is you may have choppiness but you always see the page contents. No goofy checkers.

Both are nice phones both have their strengths and weaknesses. Enjoy what you got! :) Live long and prosper!
[G1 General] lstrike:
Potential wise though when you look at how far Android has come in seven months it is pretty amazing. Granted lots of bugs when it first came out very beta like (it's Google what did we expect) but they nailed a lot of things off the bat (copy and paste? LOL. MMS out of the box, Multitasking day one, integrated and sync with the cloud at zero additional cost.). With respect to web browsing my G1 NEVER crashed like Safari did.

I think within the next year Android will really be shocking us. I love all the new widgets coming out. Also wait until a kick @$$ piece of hardware comes out on Android.

Also Cupcake really cleaned up quite a bit and Android really shines with it. 1.5 has made the phone super stable and added quite a bit to the equation. Excellent for the first REAL update to the phone. Think of this we are still on version 1.x! Imagine what baked goodies 2.0 is cooking up for us!
[G1 General] dglowen23:
G1 vs. iPhone my perspective

Ok we all know the iphone is a great phone and i have to give apple there props for making that so, but the G1 is jus the first and iphones first phone wasnt all that great niether, this is google first attempt at a phone and u have to give them that because they did a great job and sooner or later the G1 will be at apples level with there iphone, that is if they keep sendin out the updates like cupcake and donut and all the other ones about to come out, any ways the G1 is the underdog in this situation so it depends on what iphone your comparing it too.

And not that its bad or anything but the iPhone has always had the same design for the phone i mean i know sum people dont like change but maybe there next iphone shood look different.

Any ways in conclusion of what i was trying to say is that the G1 is the underdog and give it some time and it will be the number 1 phone google and T-Mobile just need to step there game up a little bit wit the updates
[G1 General] xxvtcxx:
iPhone vs. iPhone GS vs. Pre vs. G1

The author may be using a stock g1, running at a default clock speed, but I don't think the g1 can stack up to the performance of the new iPhoneGS or the palm pre.

http://www.anandtech.com/gadgets/showdoc.aspx?i=3587
[G1 General] jashsu:
Maybe not, but if we all only bought phones on their hardware performance, everyone would have had Newtons rather than Pilot 1000s.

Geez... punctuation is free, you know. Try using more of it next time. ;-)
[G1 Android Development] dadennis:
Here's the Download-Link for the RC9/UK/Europe Version of Cupcake. It's the official Version for a manual Update ...

http://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-CRB17-from-TMI-RC9-eu.17667e06.zip
[G1 Android Development] alx5962:
thank you !

how did you find this link, I don't see it on the android website.

Also an install guide would be nice too.
[G1 Android Development] HockeyDadNinja:
Has anyone come across a RC9 nbh image? That would be useful for those with stock bootloader / no root.
[G1 Android Development] PayableOnDeath:
are you sure RC9 is cupcake?

as JF did an RC9 and that was ver 1.1, cupcake is 1.5