yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] salemh:
Hi Beemer,

Just installed and I confirm it works smoothly ... also the problem with freq. above 99 is also working.

for the donation, I get spanich page and don't understand how can I make the donation. Is there an english page for that? thnx and well done
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 2'NixorNot2'Nix:
Great Job Beemer

Just a little problem,

Using a Touch HD, setup in the test section for World, Royaltek. If I then try to test with tuning set for manual I cannot use the arrow buttons to tune above 90Mhz, entering the value manually 100.9 works OK.

Tuning now works correctly in IGO8 and for the first time I'm seeing TMC data on the map.

I'll sort out a cup of tea this weekend.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
Got you ;). Changed the donation page to english
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
I take note of this. Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 2'NixorNot2'Nix:
Oh My Lord!!

I'm testing this at home and while typing a message the Touch HD was collecting TMC data, all of a sudden it announced recalculating route because it had been informed of a road problem. So it seems to be working fully and properly!!

Here's two screencaps showing live TMC data at 13:05 today in Central London.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] StarMonkee:
Just tested it on my Diamond with igo 8.3 in the UK and it works perfectly (from my desk, haven't tried in car yet) - I had TMC data within 30 seconds.

So far this seems to be the best one yet :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] creda:
no tmc-signal

Beta5 did work for me, but beta7 doesn't. No TMC-signal. I'm switching back to beta5.:(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] terta:
Touch Pro 2

hi beemerTPPC,

I have a Touch Pro 2, with which only the basic functionalities work yet with flywhc's GFMAPI 1.6 (tuning with his test radio app but RDS not yet).

now with HyperGPS (v7) even tuning does not work...

driver loads fine, and I also see in the test windows the commands sent however nothing happens (I don't see even the normal RDS data (station name) as response, and the audio stays silent).

- what am I possibly doing wrong

- how can I help you to fix it so that at least tuning works?

Thx

UPDATE:

ignore this :)

I did not copy DKWrapper to FMS_API, now tuning works. (of course, no TMC yet, but that's another issue...)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Ulyan:
Is GNS better than royaltek or what are the differences, If I may ask ... ?! :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] L_o_k_i:
Test of beta7 with iGO:

*Royaltek:

- no more problem after 99.9MHz

- everything seems to be fine now

Not so important for now:

- block ratio seems to be sent only when TMC/RDS is detected... Block ratio ($RTRDS sentence) should be sent as soon as the frequency is changed, and more often (2-3 times per second).

- the sound from speaker is still too low.

*GNS (tmc data only):

- with autotune ON, iGO does not loose the connection with the driver, but does not see any station with TMC and/or RDS

- with autotune OFF, iGO switches between "TMC hardware not found" and the config screen. By staying enough time on a frequency where there is TMC, iGO stops to switch and I have "TMC present" message and "block ratio" indicator showing on (but weak), but no TMC message is received

- with tmc+gps data selected (in HyperGPS) and autotune OFF, I can receive TMC but iGO is very slow.

We are very close to something with GNS protocol! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] UMH:
Great job, beemerTPPC.

I can confirm the following working combination:

- T-Mobile MDA Vario IV:

** ROM-Version: 1.95.111.59 GER

** Radio-Version: 1.08.25.20

** Protocol-Version: 52.44.25.24U

- iGO v8.3.2.93112 and v8.3.2.97313

- HyperGPS beta 7

- Antenna / charger- and sync-cable combination:

** HTC Touch Pro Multifunction Audio Cable YC A300

(http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=171925)

+++ Sync and/or charge:

#### delivered USB-sync-cable (simultaneous sync and charge works)

or

#### HTC Touch Pro Car Charger CC C100

(http://www.htcaccessorystore.com/uk/p_htc_item.aspx?i=169461)

+++ Antenna for FM radio:

#### Original wired headset (HTC Touch Pro Stereo Headset HS S200 (ExtUSB))

or

#### any 3.5mm wired headset

Here are some screenshots from the iGO application in combination with YC A300, USB-sync-cable and 3.5mm wired headset.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
Please start from scratch:

-verify you havent selected automatic load on the driver configuration

-Soft reset

-Unninstall Alpha 3.

-Verify \Windows\GFMAPI.dll and HyperGPS.dll have been removed.

-verify there is no registry keys HKLM\Drivers\HyperGPS neither \HKLM\Drivers\Builtin\HyperGPS

-Soft reset again

-Install Beemer_Cert.cab (no matter if you have done this before)

-Install HuperGPS_WM6.cab

Test again.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
it could be very interesting, but unfortunately I can read Germa. Could you make me a translated version, for example using google translation and revising it. I've tried myself google translation but still I cannot understand well the page.

thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Conker:
English Translation

Hi Beemer,

here is an English Translation for you

http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/trans...il.php?ID=123764&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=Übersetzen

Ignore the Error Message, i´ve test it.

Hope it´s usefull for you
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] flywhc:
have you read this?

http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawi...itle=Plugin/TrafficMessageChannel#TMC_in_NMEA
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gierran:
beemer,

I just followed u suggest about bottom:

-verify you havent selected automatic load on the driver configuration

-Soft reset

-Unninstall Alpha 3.

-Verify \Windows\GFMAPI.dll and HyperGPS.dll have been removed.

-verify there is no registry keys HKLM\Drivers\HyperGPS neither \HKLM\Drivers\Builtin\HyperGPS

-Soft reset again

-Install Beemer_Cert.cab (no matter if you have done this before)

-Install HuperGPS_WM6.cab

I use touch hd device and then with new Alpha 3 version sound speaker is OK. But no TMC signal is found on same radio TMC freqency that I used with early Alpha 2 version.

Any suggest about it, or we have to wait next Alpha 4 version? Now I just reinstalled Alpha 2 version of course.

However thanks for u great work.

Note:

ROM 1.13.401.0.20428 ITA

RADIO 1.09.25.14

iGO 8.3.2 83157
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Lucas0511:
I changed saved_config_available="1" in sys.txt of iGO to 0, iGO TMC started with TMC settings page to set port and protocol, found TMC hardware and iGO is now working with Alpha3. And still works after restarting driver and configuring port and protocol in iGO.

If before restart saved_config_available="0" set back to 1 in order to evade iGO TMC port/protocol settings page TMC hardware again is not found by tuner.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pejvl:
works great with HTC Diamond 2. no driver needed. tnx!:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] newbiePDA:
Hi,

My config:

HTC Touch Diamond

system.ini with [tmc] port class ...etc done

saved_config_available="1"

Follow beemerTPPC's instructions

I've found out how to make alpha3 working, here are my steps:

1) Start HyperGPS, make you choices (mine: output to speaker, radio mute), click on TMC, then be sure to click on "about" or "test", otherwise the program seems not running in the background, then click ok, click X

2) Start iGO, go to TMC panel, only station name is showed up and 0 signal, now, TURN OFF you pda, then TURN ON again

3) Plug in you headphone, wait about 20s

4) You'll have you TMC connected and got a signal!

What I noticed:

After turning off/on PDA, sound switches back to headphone, and iGO found you TMC hardware and got a fix.

Is that because iGO couldn't open the virtual COM9? by turning off/on, HyperGPS finally allows igo to access this port?

Hope this helps for debugging.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] astrell:
Same results with me just with old stock rom. Happy for the good - waiting for the better! Keep up the excellent work.

astrell

edited:

After a couple of tries I experienced, that as soon as the RDS name of the radio station is displayed in the TMC window of IGO8, the sount is being redirected to the headphones again.

I simply cannot receive TMC info.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neo9596:
Sound still goes by the earphone, not to the speaker (alpha3).

How is posible if I delete all the program when I return to install it why are the same settings???.

see you, nice job
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] camro:
cosmetic bug ...

Signal Strenght shows in IGO all the time the same. (and there is a diff. in radio senders.)

or is in IGO8 no signal strengh ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] camro:
tests from scatch ... No doesn't help.

1.test IGO8 - system.ini tmc removed -> WORKS

2. test IGO8 - system.ini tmc removed -> WORKS

3. test IGO8 - system.ini tmc NOT removed -> doesn't work WORKS

and also all next tries - NOT WORKING ANY MORE - seems to be, that then no signal - no sound, no TMC (excl. TMC fake)

(tried with activate/deactivate driver + demo -> not working any more...)

have to remove all and start the next tests once again - reinstalling all + SR. ;(

PLS: source from HyperGPS would help to play with some tricks for handling ... only to find out where the real problem is - but i understand if you don't want this.

cu camel
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
I've taken note of all the links, and be sure, I plan to implement GNS protocol on HyperGPS, but at this moment the priority is to make the driver to manage the serial and radio protocols better.

Once this has been done, all can be implemented easily.

I've not verified this. I'll try to see it this weekend, but HyperGPS sends a new frequency/RSSI message each time one of these parameters change... and iGO recognizes the frequency changes.

I've dicovered that there are TMC special messages that also have these data and are created on the receiver side. This is not implemented, but could be in the future if useful.

I have used a trick for the sound that works on Diamond, but may be different on other devices. Ensure yourserlf that you are right and tell me what device are you using.

The settings are stored on the registry. With the new cab an unninstall will delete them. With the old manual instalation not. You can see them under HKLM\Drivers\HyperGPS

@camro

I don't want to publish the driver code to avoid separate developments. I published the basic code and anyone can start a new project, but drivers are complex to debug and I don't want to find several version runninf to care about.

What I can do is a fully logged version with different levels of log depending on a registry value to allow the users helping me in the development.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] camro:
it is very time consuming to SR + deinstall , remove manually the dll, then SR again, then install again, then test again.......:(

it would help if the problem of SR reinstall, removing ....blabla could be fixed

and i'm sure we all are on the right way :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neo9596:
Beemer, I use a Diamond, I delete the registry Key and when I install the program there is the same configuration every time, delete it manually and with the cab file, I dont understand. The Rom Is Morna from XOR. If I search the TMC every time I start Igo the TMC information is available but the sound still remain in the earphone. I only listen igo from speaker if I choose not to mute the FM.

I delete the registry manually and reinstall a few times and the settings remain there.

I hope to solve the problem..

I solve the problem, I've delete all about hypergps, but still no sound on speaker only on earphones.

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iseeka:
quizas sea casualidad but

with alpha3 i get tmc,8 data!!! great!!!!

have to say that with polaris and wm6.5:

-manual tune in igo works almost 0sec steps

but sstill get no tmc signal on igo...

i´ll try to check all the "tricks" mentioned here
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] camro:
for nwo -> Cannot load driver. Try installing beemercert.cab or another COM port.

have SR + batt removing, removed all regs, removed beemercert + hyperGPS and again SR+batt removing ... + fresh install of both software.

hmm - doesn't work - very interessing.

well - no time for searching which reg entry is the problem.

HR.... and more testing - cu
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] camro:
this would be great. so much details as possible. also for virtaul serial functions.

cu camel
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iseeka:
now i get $RTTMC, 8 in ALL the stations

:( maybe i have to instal another rom? currently on wm6.5
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] camro:
so - finally:

with this alpho for me idon't know what i can test more ...

finally:

removing alle files, uninstall, SR, fresh install...then:

starting the driver: with speaker - mute

and then

Test 1: start iGO + manually configure port + protocol (system.ini remove all TMC entries) -> WORKS

Test 2: start iGO + manually configure port + protocol (system.ini remove all TMC entries) -> WORKS

Test 3: start iGO + manually configure port + protocol (system.ini remove all TMC entries) -> WORKS

Test 4: start iGO + manually configure port + protocol (system.ini remove all TMC entries) -> WORKS

Test 5: start iGO + manually configure port + protocol (system.ini remove all TMC entries) -> WORKS

so the tem solution is to overwrite the system.ini with a TMC-clean file) !!!

then - to be sure where the problem is:

then i don't modify the iGO system.ini (TMC settings inside..)

Test 6: start iGO + see in TMC config -> freq. = 0 and no TMC, also if i try once again with a clean system.ini in IGO -> DOESN'T WORK ANY MORE -> VIRTUAL SER. PORT is like dead. nothing works then (restart,...) nothing helps and then i had to deinstall, remove unwanted reg entries, SR + new install.

so - for me the problem is the init of virt. ser. driver ...somewhere ...

maybe with next HyperGPS and more debug log we can find it oit whats going on and what the different is on handling.

cu camel (HTC HD)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] faeArai:
GNS isn't better then Royaltek, since it's the same TMC-data being pushed into your navigation software. The main difference is that Royaltek is only supported by some navigation software (e.g. iGo). GNS is widely supported (e.g. by navigon).

Royaltek implemented it's own protocol due to some patent issues, as GNS owns patents on combined gps/tmc-receivers. That's all :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tom$oft:
SUPER :)

BeemerTPPC,

Perfect, thank you too :)

We also acknowledge the great functionality:

HyperGPS beta 7

HTC Touch HD (ROM by Miri)

Radio: 1.13.25.24

IGO8: 8.3.2.91972 (tested in all version 8.3.2 9xxxx)

Antena: Original HTC headsets or standard headsets (3.5)

Everything works OK.

Signal strength indicator TMC in the IGO8 also functional.

The only thing in version Beta7 does not work, is an indicator of signal strength in HyperGPS - Test window.

In beta 5 to be OK, but not mind.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] druckgott:
Same problem with my igo but:

- with autotune OFF, iGO switches between "TMC hardware not found" and the config screen. By staying enough time on a frequency where there is TMC, iGO stops to switch and I have "TMC present" message and "block ratio" indicator showing on and I have TMC messages

Here is the Log:

GNS with IGO 8.3.2.79297 and Autotuning off

Config:

[tmc]

saved_config_available="1"

saved_config_classname="GNS_GPSTMC_SOURCE"

saved_config_portname="COM"

saved_config_port="9"

saved_last_tuning_mode="0"

auto_tuning="0"

saved_last_frequency="1013"

saved_config_baud="38400"
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bare242:
gnstester.exe

Hi there,

There is a little tool to test the GPS/TMC functionality on a given COM Port using the GNS Protocol. It can be found here: http://www.gns-gmbh.com/index.php?id=117&L=1&no_cache=1&sword_list[0]=gns&sword_list[1]=tester (GNS GPS Tester for PocketPC , PocketPC 2002 and Windows Mobile 2003 with ARM prozessor.)

Configuring HyperGPS to send combined GPS/TMC Data gives an error in gnstester.exe, saying TMC doesn't work correctly.

Perhaps the tool can help in the further development of HyperGPS. BTW, fantastic work so far. ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Double T:
Sync charge combinations as TMC antenne

UMH, do all these charge or sync cable connections work well as a TMC antenne?

So far, I only have good results with a ext.usb -> 3.5 mm jack adapter (ebay) in combination with a 3.5 mm wired headset
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
I'll try to solve block ratio and volume issues for next version.

I think we have all the important GNS commands controlled. Now I have to find what is hapenning with the comunication that makes the CPU go to 100% and the hardware recognition being lost.

Thanks! I'll study this.

Thanks!. Despite being in german :( I think it will be very useful to have a GNS made GNS protocol tester.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

========

Thanks to Georg G. for his donation.

I'm working on solvind the small Royaltek bugs and make GNS work tanks to you ;)

GNS

===

I've been able to receive TMC data in iGO in GNS mode. The problem seems to be that I'm not sending something in time... Progressing ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
@ dickerhund

Could you possibily make a log with your TMC device, my logger and the GNS tested posted by bare242?

It will be great to compare the behaviour of a real device and this Beta 7 with the GNS tester.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] schmeichler:
In case you need any translation - just ask - there should be more than enough Germans here willing to help (including me).

Keep it up! ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Polluxus:
B7 works again (where B6 did not).

No second start issue and signal strength indicator seems to be working. Also auto tune works. When selected it scans for a tmc station and locks on, when I remove the headset the signal is lost and it starts scanning again. After plugging the headset back in it locks on again.

The only thing with auto tune that annoys me is that it picks a different station after restart of Igo then the one I finished with. I have a favorite TMC station with good reception. Ideally Igo would start with this station and when reception gets lost then it would start searching for another one.

BTW is there any advantage for Igo users to use the GNS protocol (when all is fixed)? I'm working with Royaltek and it is pretty much perfect now as it is.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] L_o_k_i:
add this in sys.txt:

saved_last_frequency="878" ;878=87.8MHz <--- change the value to match your favorite frequency

I don't think there is any advantage. Both protocol send the same data...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] schmeichler:
TMC Data (message) is the same - no advantage/disatvantage for IGo-users, I do not think there should be any performance-difference.

The advantage of GNS working would be for people like me that prefer different navi-software like Navigon MN.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dickerhund:
I'll see what I can do. Probably not today and maybe not tomorrow. I am a little bit busy. But I will do it on Saturday at the latest.

Benjamin
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] UMH:
As I wrote.

Every wired headset (ExtUSB or 3.5mm connector) works as an FM/TMC-antenna in combination with HTC Touch Pro Multifunction Audio Cable YC A300. I haven't tested the 2.5mm connector because I do not own such a headset.

Additionally you can sync and/or charge at the same time.

I use this combination in a passive holder in my 2nd car for navigation with iGO. Disadvantage here is, a couple of cables hanging around but it is a quick solution. Maybe somewhere out there an adapter exists for connecting the car antenna to the MDA Vario IV.

The only disadvantage of this combination is that the radio reception drops a little bit.

For example (tested with xFMRadio 0.4):

* With a direct connected headset the RSSI is between 27 and 28.

* With interconnected YC A300 the RSSI is between 26 and 27.

The screenshots in my previous post are made with "Activesync Remote Display" and the described combination of hardware/cables.

Hope this helps.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] giggetto:
@ beemerTPPC

I made a log with GNSTester on a Triceiver Navigon GNS Antena.

I configured your COMLogger then started the GNSTester. Once locked on a TMC station it received 60 messages then i unplugged the antenna to make it scan for a new station. It found the same station then received 2 more messages.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Iceberger:
Does hgps_switch working?

I followd the instructions, but it wouldnt start...:confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] snark_be:
Works great for me! Have you copied it to the folder containing the navigation software and created a link called NavApp.lnk to the main executable for the navigation software?

beemerTPPC, thanks for your work, Beta 7 works perfectly for me with iGO in Royaltek mode. Any chance you could add a message when HGPS_Switch starts, telling "Starting radio" ou "Enabling TMC receptor"? And one when the navigation software is closed, when the TMC driver is stopping?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 2'NixorNot2'Nix:
Has anyone managed to get IGO8 to start scanning at the frequency where it last detected a valid TMC channel rather then starting at the bottom of the frequency range? If so how did you do it please?

TIA
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Iceberger:
I did exactly that, but HyperTMC doesn’t load. The driver stays inactive.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 2'NixorNot2'Nix:
If anyone from IGO8 reads these forums it would make sense to generate a POI table that contains the valid frequencies for TMC channels in an area rather then constant scanning.

For example London UK has two available data feeds, one on 100.9 and one on 106.2. These data feeds are not duplicates of each other as they are provided by competitive organisations.

So ideally what I would want is a POI with both those frequencies and the software to scan and combine both sets of data rather then scanning the 50 odd other channels that have no data or stopping on only on channel.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Captain_Throwback:
I haven't, even though I have the entry in my SYS.TXT that should make it do so. It worked with previous versions of HyperGPS, so I'm inclined to think one of the changes to the driver is somehow responsible for this. I think it worked in B5, but I'd have to check to be sure.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cruiserrr:
+1 vote for this functionality. Much more useful than the opposite currently available: discard a frequency

By the way I remember some pleople trying to show the tmc data in IGO. The other day I was stucked one hour till I realised now data is shown and no tmc button is available to check the tmc message details unless you have selected a destination.

Version 7 working like a charm in royaltek protocol ! I am really amazed with this app. I need to buy a cable that allows me to charge the ppc as well as provide anthena. Any suggestions? (polaris)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] AgentSmith:
Looking for the same thing! Now it's either TMC and an empty battery within an hour or a full battery but without TMC. I'm not too crafty so an existing cable would be great. I however doubt there is such a thing as no-one ever came up with the idea of using TMC on their HTC until recently.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] beemerTPPC:
DONATORS

========

Thanks to Sven E. for his donation. I've had a hard day working with logs, but it worths ;)

Thanks, very useful!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bare242:
GNS protocol

I also made a log with the comlogger.

My Receiver is a combined GPS/TMC receiver GNS 9843 connected via Bluetooth to my Touch Diamond 1. The Receiver sends Data on Port 2, the COMlogger routes the Data to Port 8.

I started GNSTester. There was no GPS-Satfix. TMC Data was found on 88.8 MHz (WDR 5). After receiving 22 Messages GNStester automatically tuned to 99,2 MHz (WDR 2). Then I stopped the program.

Hope it helps.