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[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] wshader:
Not true of everyone. Personally I prefer 6.1 start menu and have not been able to find a way of changing the 6.5 one. To me 6.5 is nothing but a bunch of useless eye candy that's not worth the memory and battery drain. Even with disabling chrome and TF3D running nothing but a blank start screen battery still drains quicker. Different strokes for different folks I guess.

Best way to find out is to try it yourself and see which one you prefer
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] supersobbie:
OK First let me say thank you for the quick response. I do see that TF3d and winmo6.5 have the same functions. Correct me if I am wrong but isn't that view just Titanium? Doesnt that act like TF3D? cant that just be disabled and allow me to use TF3D on it. I personally like the TF3D interface better. I like to be able to see a few appointments along with the time and notifications. From what I have seen I would have ot tap on the cal to view any appointments... otherwise I would just see the word Calendar.... not very useful to me.

So I should ask this question, can we get windows mobile 6.5 with ONLY TF3d? and if you take away the "Titanium" (to me that is a today screen) what are the benefits of 6.5?

I hope that makes sense.

Thanks again for your response,

SoBBie
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] supersobbie:
Yes I know trying is probably the best way. I, like you, do not like the layout of 6.5. to me it doesn't show me the information that I want and I dont know if it would (until I try of course). I was hoping that I could get 6.5 explained more and my first post didn't word it correctly. As mentioned above I was hoping that titanium was just a today screen (like TF3D) which could be turned off. If it is not (which is what it sounds like) then I will most likely stick with 6.1.

Thanks again for your advice.

SoBBie
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] ricoo25:
I absolutely agree with wshader here. I spent a couple days with 6.5 and could not get over not having my old start menu, recent programs list, etc. It took more work to do the things that I used to do with ease. It definitely was pretty though.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] diomark:
The main benefits for me is the gesture improvements over touchflo. Touchflo just stinks in comparison..

I don't use TF3d or the new wm65 menus - spb mobile shell:) it's my primary shell, and all I need on here.. give it a try if you haven't..

-mark
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] PwnCakes193:
I know everybody else didn't answer your question, so I will :). Yes, you can enable TF3D to be the only home screen running, and "Titanium" is able to be shut off. You can put any home screen you want.

Hope that answers your question!
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] yerp:
the above post is very *right* and very wrong at the same time...

1. the start menu is different and can take some getting used to, but it IS customizable

2. this dude either had a bad flash or is lying about memory and battery usage.....BOTH ARE GREATLY IMPROVED IN 6.5.

3. the best thing you can do it to flash a 6.5 rom yourself and try it out...

i personally love 6.5 and will not be going back to 6.1. the benefits far outweigh the flaws. i will note, that 6.5 does have one major flaw that noone else seemed to mention....

all roms that i have tried thus far have a "corrupt ringtone" issue, which will cause WMA files set for text msg notification/ringer to simply not play sometimes....i've missed many a text because of this.....a simple solution is to make your own mp3 ringers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] dario69:
Interesting, I noticed the same thing with my .wav ringtone. Must be the same issue. Good to know.

Back on topic - I agree with yerp, 6.5 is a keeper. No battery drain or memory consumption issues. Keep in mind everything is relative because of the number of custom roms and personal touches associated with each rom. Some battery drains and memory leaks are rom specific and not related to 6.5. Also, some programs just create havoc and have nothing to do with the rom. You need to test and stick with what works best. I have certain chefs I stick with, test others occasionally, but usually go back to the chefs I have had the best luck with.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Xue v.2:
I would agree to suppersobbie,

I love the classic WinMo today screen. It gives me a lot of information, ie: data traffic, appointment(s), and many more. It all completely basic, but necessary!

I have seen the Titanium Red Flaming theme, I forgot what it is, but it made me wanted to flash my rom.

I own HTC TouchPro, WWE rom, if I managed to flash my original TP, where can I download my original rom in case I want to reflashed it back to WM6.1?

I bought my TP in WM Store, it's official partner of Microsoft. the ROM is quite stable and everything work fine. Even it pre-installed with working youtube application,,, I will definitely missed this great rom if I flashed it.

I tried to google for this rom I had,,, but zilch,,, nothing shows up,,,
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Xue v.2:
oh here, I found the kickass theme that made me to flash my TP, it called crimson darkness,,, haha it's not even flamming, :P

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=506925

seriously I want this on my phone,,,
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] supersobbie:
OK first let me say thank you to everyone that has responded... And yes I was looking to know if there are improvements overall, which from a few people they say yes. It is also good to know the ringtone issue which I am sure would get annoying.

From what I can tell I will probably start to weed through the 6.5 ROMs and give it a try. I may even try to "cook" my first rom because they are never build exactly the way you want them. But if it improves TF3D performance (guestures) and I can use TF3D and not use Titanium I will give it a try. Who knows I may even try the titanium for a little while and see if I like it.

I did try spb Mobile shell 3 and found I did not like it... I posted my response to MS3 somewhere but it was not what I was looking for and was not as impressed with it as many were (Oh and I was a HUGE MS2 fan, with Greatbal's touchflow theme ;)) The thing that I did like about MS3 was the response... it was very very responsive which I did like.

Well I do appreciate everyones response and thanks again for ALL the great feedback.

SoBBie

PS this was my post on MS3: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3684350&postcount=60
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Xue v.2:
hah, me too,,, I dislike SPB MS 3.0 because it drains my fone battery for only about 16 hours,,, gawd,,, and I use my fone mainly for native MS pushmail, RSS download, and personal secretary,,,

I have found my original ROM, someone dumped it, surething that google is useful, and it will be more useful if you enter the correct stuff you want to find :P

Get ready to flash my TP,,,
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] rorijam:
by the way ENERGYROM 3.0 looks very good, comes with TF3D and no titanium, packed with tools, but if You want to try titatium then You have to look to other roms.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] antjmon:
Bottom line for me is it IS faster in my opinion that 6.1 and the battery is MUCH better.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] supersobbie:
Hummmm Energies ROM removed Titanium.... interesting.... Well I just flashed RRE ROM with manila (didn't realize it was not TF3D2 Rhodium but installing that now). Yea I played with Titanium for about 10 minutes this morning... NOT impressed at all. There is no info on the screen. to me it is kinda lame. I am sure you can configure it and play with it to make it a little better but TF3D2 works for me.

I will see how the Rhodium installs on RRE Rom and if I like it I may shoot over and try Energy's ROM. I have read that Energies ROM is a "Ferrari" and it eats up battery so not sure I would want that. even if the performance is better it would have to be significantly better for me to stick with it.

Thanks again all....

SoBBie
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] noellenchris:
Here's my 2cents.

I liked the Touchflo3d, including the Rhodium etc. I kept loading it on my roms. I made cabs to fix annoyances etc. Customized stuff etc. Bottom line is TF3d is another wow app that fails at organizing my stuff. I wanted all the appts etc, easier way to customize my inportant info. But in the end it drained my battery, froze up, if I disabled it, everything ran faster plus freed a ton of memory. File explorer worked 100 times faster since I didn't have 5000 added files to my windows folder and the list can go on.

CHome displays my today stuff much nicer than 6.1 did. With a few add on's, I easily and light on files/memory now have

Pictures

Music

Phone

Voicemail

Favorite People

Weather

Time/Date

Text

EMail

Calendar w/appts etc.

IE w/favorites

Windows Live

And more comes out daily for widgets for your own needs.

It works super fast, no crashing, low memory, looks great with your own backgrounds etc.

In the end, I dropped TF3d and I'll never ever go back. I've since deleted all the cab fixes and stuff in the kitchen to install or waste my time with TF3d.

Just my 2cents. Good luck in whatever you decide on.

Did I mention that with the latest release 21222 so far, it is the fastest OS on any HTC i've ever owned & by far the absolute most stable. IMHO
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] PwnCakes193:
supersobbie-

Cooking your ROM is probably the best thing you can do, it'll be faster than alot of the cooks ROMs. Like I said before, PM me, IM me, whatever, I'd love to help you cook your own ROM.

noellenchris was right, 21222 is the best I have tried so far, it's fast, and it is the most stable out of all the builds
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] vudu:
Question. I flashed a 6.5 rom the first day I got my phone and tried for about 30 minutes to install opera mini but was unsuccessful. As that was the program I use the most, I went with a 6.1 rom so that I could have a working phone since I didn't have time to test 6.5. So question is are you able to install opera mini on 6.5? If so, I'll give 6.5 a spin again,

Thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] norkoastal:
MUCH MUCH MUCH better battery life.. I'm sitting at 96% at 3:35p.m. after pulling the phone off the charger at 8:15 a.m. This is after I made a couple calls, weather refreshes, and music playing on my 15 minute drive to work. None of the ROMs I've previously flashed would keep me over 70 by this time in the day...
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] noellenchris:
Yes , you can install what ever version of OperaMini, I cook with Da_G's kitchen and you can select what version you want of Java. Then you just need to find an OperaMini that suites you.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] supersobbie:
OK rhodium was not working on the RRE ROM very well... it was missing a few parts and was somewhat sluggish. I have now flashed the Energy ROM. So far it seem REALLY nice. I do like many parts of this ROM. There are a few minor issues with it but no showstoppers so far.

PwnCakes, I may take you up on your offer :). I have used many roms in the past (cingular 8125 before this one) and each are good in there own way but I would like to be able to put the apps that "I" like and not the ones they provide.

Also I have always wanted to cook my own just been too lazy. So, you may be hearing from me at some point down the line ;). This month is pretty busy with a wedding (not mine) and all... but I may try to squeeze it it :).

Thanks again folks,

SoBBie
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] jblakk:
I'm using Sheps 6.5 ROM and it's rocking. Very little issues with it. I do not have the Ringtone issuse, but I believe that was fixed a few build back (at least for Shep is was).

Also, for thoes that are missing the old 6.1 start menu, just try quickmenu, and you can have the best of both worlds. If you click the windows icon, you get the quick menu which is like the old 6.1 one, but with extra stuff (like soft reset, and stuff). and when you click the word start, you get the 6.5 menu.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=471861
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] SamsungGalaxySamsung:
This is the correct answer:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=differences+between+wm+6.1+and+6.5
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] supersobbie:
HA HA HA HA...

I hope that was a joke... You should know that I have tried it many different ways and never found the answers that I was looking for. Before you post something like this please read the thread. Google would not return the benefits of using xbmod rhodium (FROM THIS FORUM) on 6.5 vs 6.1.

AND if it does return something for you then I just did not find the correct key words to search for. Please do not just assume everyone is stupid compared to you. Many people in this forum do understand computers, internet, and especially Google.

If it was just a joke then .... HA HA HA ... but if you were trying to be superior/snotty/stuckup please.... stop. It is truly unproductive.

Kind Regards,

SoBBie :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] Xue v.2:
I'm planning to reflash my TP into its original stock ROM nw,,,

after dealing with WM 6.5 for a week (less) I can say that this WM 6.5 project is still need a lot of development. A lot of ROM based of Da_G kitchen (no offense here,,,) have a lots of fundamental issues. I really like the titanium today plugin tho,,,

I mainly use my TP for internet, push mail, adn office work. WM 6.5's messaging feature is much much worse than WM 6.1. They did lots of cosmetics there, but not the functionality. It's sms/email notification screwed in lanscape mode, that's why it is hidden by default. And it even don't display send/receive status,,,

The clock bug is annoying. I use titanium, and it is auto change its timezone randomly,,, It's weird that I could get a series of email/smses stated that it was sent at 2 or 3 in the morning when my colleagues just sent it.

I do not going to whine, but I really think that WM 6.5 is still in early stage of development.

Switching back to my old WM 6.1 ROM

Guys, can I have your review after switching from 6.1 to 6.5? Tq!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
I use blackme to turn off the screen on my kaiser. But unlike on my HTC titan blackme also disables wifi when run. Is there a fix or reason for this. I thought blackme only turned off the screen and didn't standby the phone.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] josefcrist:
use battery status instead. or i just use gs players display off function.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
Well I am not using a player while the screen is off. When I log with Navizon I like to turn the screen off to save battery or darken the car at night.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
I now have also tried spshutxp and it doesn't keep wifi on either.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
So are there not any other options?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] josefcrist:
the way you would do it is run battery status plug in your today screen. then when navizon is up and running hit the start buttion then hit home screen the on battery status hold the stylus down and go to display off. done.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
This doesn't work either. When I turn the screen back on with the power button the wifi icon on the top is not there. After a couple seconds it pops back up.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] drewcam888:
Anyone else have any suggestions. Or am I over looking somethings in my previous tries.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ASCIIker:
i am also particular about having the option to leave wifi connected after putting the device to standby but it never really worked for me with wm6 and wm6.1 and i haven't tried any wm6.5 yet...

BUT!!! the ROM i am currently using (HyperDragon IV Rhodium April 10th, 2009 ROM) seems to be able to do exactly what the OP desires

before you go about changing your ROM, have you tried KaiserTweak and/or Advanced Config utilities??? i used KaiserTweak to enable the "Wifi standby mode" option...try this before considering changing your ROM but remember that i attempted enabling this setting in previous wm6 and wm6.1 ROMs and this is the first ROM on which i have observed the feature actually working

i have NOT properly tested this ability...what i did was the following:

1. enabled my wifi and allowed it to connect to my home router

2. on my desktop PC, i set up an infinite ping to my device's IP address

3. on my device, using VM Network Browser's ping utility, i set up an infinite ping to my desktop PC's IP address

4. once i saw the ping replies coming in on my device as well as my desktop PC, i pressed the power button on the right side of the device to put it in standby

5. i observed that the wifi LED goes off but my desktop PC continued to receive replies from my device

6. when i brought the device out of standby after about 30 seconds, i noticed that the wifi icon in the top bar still showed the wifi as connected AND i observed that VM Network Browser had continued to send pings and it continued to receive ping replies from my desktop PC in the duration that the device was in standby

also, using Resco Explorer on my device, i set up a file copy from a network share on my desktop PC and then i put the device into standby. after about 30 seconds, i brought the device out of standby and noticed that my file copy had progressed just fine as if the device never lost the wifi connection

all the evidence seems to point to success in my case

hope the above helps, good luck!
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom ROM Development] f124n_sh4d0w:
I could not turn on my Atom after I upgrad to wm6.5 How do I overcome this problem.?.
[iPAQ rw6828, XDA Atom ROM Development] indiacam:
There could be two reasons, either you have modded with wrong ROM, from another phone make and model or you have very low battery while modding.

If you have modded with wrong ROM, then get Official current ROM from Atom Life webstie and then connect your fully charged AtomLife on VISTA with Windows Mobile Center and install ORIGINAL ROM.

If you had low battery while modding, try charging at least for 1 hour and try to mod with original or correct ROM.

These are very basic things. I myself am not very experienced but basics are basics and one must try these first. If your phone did not have any hardware problem before modding then I think you can get back your device.

I am sure very soon, other forum experts will advice you the more advanced sure-shot solution. I replied as someone must quickly respond from forum.:D Give your feedback.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] lamecast:
hello

i have a uni who stuck on bootloader (BL) bl- v2.01

i use tomal 8.7, browsing aplication and find storage manager (some with partition program... ) and my uni was frozen after reboot ... (long story)

i turn (BL) and want to reflash my rom to other version, but my uni don't want it :P

i run a mtty/putty and want to do a DoC format, but programs don't want to connect with uni, i try a lot of usb cable, usb ports and a 4 computers with Winxp. i use a few version of mtty and uni exit bootloader, hx4700 bootloader...

and dosent works :)

yy windows not reconize uni show msg unknown device.

some screeens

http://esiu.kom.pl/universal

uni has no sim or sd card.

Hard reset dosen't works

BL keeps serial when i connect it to pc don't turn to "usb" only shows serial

ps. sory for my english :P

ps2. hmm i think i brick this uni testing storage manager ( option with unmount partiion or something)

ps3. please a sugestion to repair uni :)
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] responderman:
Hello,

I think if you look on HERE the all will be there for you to sort out your problem

Regards

Jay
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] lamecast:
hmm ive read many times universal wiki and i dont find there a solution.

i think when i "using" storage aplication in tomal 8,7 i delete a partition then it "stuck"

uni in bl mode when plug usb cable don't change to "usb" stuck on "Serial"

if usb cable is pluged in when i turn bl mode when "usb" shows but dosent react with pc ... don't recognize it, active sync have unmarked 'usb connections'
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] responderman:
Do you have your SD card and Sim card out of the PDA??
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] enigma1nz:
If you cannot see

Serial changing to USB on your device, I say your USB port is damaged and that prevents you from flashing any ROM or device being recognised by PC.
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro Software Upgrading] lamecast:
hmm so my port in uni is dameged? ok its software damage or hardware damage ? 10 minutes before uni was stuck i change rom few times.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] nicelad_uk:
Hello!

I'm calling out to all people who amend Task Bar icons such as battery / Sound etc to see if anyone knows how to change the signal bars on a GSM frequency?

At present all I can find are Icons that use the standard 4 bar for GSM (4 bar cannot be changed and will always be 4 bar) but I'm wanting to amend these and cannot find the .dll responsible for them.

I've searched all the forums as much as I can and found ways of changing the .dll's, but none change the signal bars. They do for CDMA, 3,4,5 or 6 bars, but only 4 for GSM.

Anyone any the wiser on which file it is?

Thanks
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] nicelad_uk:
Anyone got any ideas? I'm scrolling through loads of .dll's but can't find it. Think it could be a system one which I can't get access to.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Aaronc1978:
I've looked for this info as well, but not come across anything so far.

Even if the resource file is in the ROM, we should be able to use the rom extractor to get it shouldn't we?

When using resource hacker, occasionally "access denied" pops up when trying to look at certain icon groups. I'm not sure how to access these groups, but maybe it is in one of them?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] nicelad_uk:
Yeah thats what I'm thinking. Not sure how you would get access to them. I know you can unsign the files, but first we need to get them off the HD which I'm not sure how as it won't let me copy all of them.

Then theres the issue of how do you put it back on if the one on the HD is protected?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Aaronc1978:
You use the rom extractor (a quick search of this site will find it) to get the ones you can't copy with your explorer(I assume you are total commander or something similar).

I've already done all this (previously), the icon groups to which access is denied are within these extracted and unsigned files. I still haven't checked each and every resource file yet, so the icons may still be accessible within one of them. As far as getting access to the inaccessable ones, I have no idea where to start.

As far as putting back on, all you need to do is copy a protected file to your storage card (which removes the protection on the file) and then copy it straight back to the windows folder (this replaces the original with the one where protection is removed). Now you will be able to rename the original file and copy in your edited file. Alternatively you can create a CAB file to install it, for some reason this method doesn't require renaming/removing/whatever the original file and is reversible by uninstall.
[Touch GSM General] carlosrx7:
Hi all, I got an HTC when turned on just stay on windows mobile on the screen any suggestions on how to fix this....appreciate
[Touch GSM General] Billus:
Have you tried preforming a hard reset? (I think you hold down the end, camera and reset buttons at the same time, not 100% sure though, search the threads :confused:) Also, what rom are you using, custom or official cause it could have been a dodgy flash?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] james4711:
Hello!

Just flashed cmex 0.7 .. and looks good ..

unfortunately I am n able to get a connection with A1.net (although it is installed) for i.e. updating weather information, active sync, ...

any ideas??

Thanks!

Regards,

James
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] chalid:
try this: http://www.umtslink.at/3g-forum/showpost.php?p=702014&postcount=9

:-)