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[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namuk:
Do you know my point,

I have never ask someone to donate to me.

I just tell everybody I need to buy this software if I need to finish this project.

My point is that I want to tell everyone need to wait but not going to give a ****ing donate to me.

Don't think too much, Again, wait... sir ;)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] alper1:
Only this word for people thinking to donate: BECAREFULL
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] deepinside88:
hey namuk i like to donate you some money but i cant find your pay pal button =)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ZuinigeRijder:
I have asked a question to namuk about some details about how he accesses the ZoomBar API. No response. If he gives some details about how he managed the things so far, we could help. The same as with the button problem. This will also give confidence, they are really up to something new. But if there is nothing to share, you can expect no answer.

I also wonder how they develop, because Visual Studio Professional is also not for free. Do they need money for that too, after they find out that assembler is too difficult :cool:

I have a hard feeling this thread is just a joke :eek:

If you want to get rid of money, donate me, I share my source code :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] MrKaon:
This is not a way to ask for donation, it is not professional
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] MrKaon:
Agreed share your source code we will donate you :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namuk:
thanks, but we would not accept any donate until project finished
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Tatou26:
Hello, could you share your work just as it is now, I don't need the buttons on my device, I've never used them. Your project is very interesting to me.

Thanks.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ASK768:
Opennetcf has a free community version though doesnt it?

could you guys not use that?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] jolas:
namuk, Why you don't share a beta with the community? I'm sure that there are a lot of talented people here, to help with your project.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] aussiebum:
he got rid of the "Donate" button after all the XDA whingers started jumping up and down.

that's good enough credibility for me imho. besides, it's not much of a scam if he's only asking for $50. I'd be more wary if some guy in the ROM cooking section asked for donations for a device so they could continue cooking for the community...

I'd rather he spend time developing than waste time posting "screenshots" or "youtube videos". waiting patiently for your progress! :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namuk:
Because there are not only one person in this develop team

there are 3 person, One of the group member do not want to share it now.

Announce here :Next month we will have enough Money to buy the

Windows Mobile Development Full Library Codes.Only one thing, if you love this

program please wait, I also hope to complete as soon as possible.

Of course, welcome to post any comments or email to : webmaster@storyair.com . Sorry for waiting.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namuk:
Don't misunderstand, I have never ask to donate $50.

I only reply to a question of a users only.

JohnQ asked the price of the Library Code and I repy him.

But I have never said "need for contributions".
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] JohnQ:
hope you are doing well. im still stick to your thread :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Georgeous2008:
A little tip for the developers

I think that it'd be more careful

for the developers

to stop making any further announcements regarding this project on XDA until there has been a true milestone achievement (e.g. demonstration video, alpha version, etc.).

So far, the only significant milestone you have announced is:

- proof of concept.

The rest have been teasers, which have inflated people's expectations rocket sky high in the past days. Under these circumstances, you can easily understand their reactions to your "development stop" announcement. Therefore, please be a bit more careful in future about what you announce. ;)

BTW, great luck for the project ! :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Royan:
Best of luck to you and the team, namuk

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] markusmuster:
I don't understand where the problem is at all. OPENNETCF is written in .NET. Everything in OPENNETCF can be done (or re-coded) quiet easily. OPENNETCF just creates wrappers around system DLL calls - Nothing special at all. And: you can look inside OPENNETCF with decompilers like .NET REFLECTOR. It can be easily downloaded from their site for free here:

http://www.red-gate.com/products/reflector/

Keep on developing! You have all you need!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] hanackin:
hello guys !

is this project linked with this one ? :confused:

--> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=518367
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Eraser85:
seems a good point ;)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namuk:
no,he is going to share to the

no button's zoom bar.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namuk:
News:

Today, I download XaKing's zoom bar project and make a compare.

I found something wrong in my dll file. Also ,I search and find a another

way to finish the zoom bar buttons. So, We will continue to do this project today.

Second, I borrow my friend's camera to take a video of the zoom bar with a

"home" button project (only "home"? Yes, we finish the home part already.)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I made this thread a long time ago but now that its coming out to tmobile soon and there is more information about it there are likely to be more reasons for people to think it will or will not require a data plan.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] eichenberg:
According to this http://www.tmonews.com/2009/05/small-changes-to-datamessaging-plans/ it will...but we really won't know until it is released.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xlinkx:
Don't buy it from tmobile. You should be able to use tzones with touch pro2 if purchased from ebay/craigslist.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] krabman:
I'm making a guess here that you are thinking of using wifi for data purposes? Unless you are careful to turn off all data you will suck up a months cost in data in less than a day. Possibly more. I had my data turned off while I was in between phones using my backup for a few weeks. When the NAM unlocked diamond became available I purchased it at about 7pm. I spaced the data and turned it on at 10am the next morning. I did little other than fiddle with the phone for an hour or so in the evening while it was charging and then an hour or so in the morning before I called in to get my data back up. That was 47 bucks and all I did was open opera to scope it out, set up my email and exchanged a few, set up the weather, about it. Didn't dl any videos or anything of that nature. I'm guessing that tmo or AT&T (should they pick it up) will require a data plan and of course you can do what you want if you buy unlocked. Realistically I think while data may not required its not a bad idea.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
But the thing is that no WM phone has ever needed a data plan before, and also wm phones cost a lot more than other phones that do require data plans like the G1,or iphone, and would be very disapointed if it requires a data plan because I don't really have a use for one espcially cause I have wifi around me almost all day.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] codybear:
99.9% of phone companies will not activate without a smartphone plan.

Which a data plan is part of the smartphone plan.

So unless you're with one of those 0.1% of companies that do not require it themselves,

then you will need a data plan.

It is not the phone, it is the company.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
Are you talking about in the future? cause so far I don't think any wm phones have required data plans, so does that mean the touch pro 2 will be in the 0.1%? I really hope it is
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
Things are definitely trending towards requiring data plans for data-centric phones. The companies claim they don't want consumers to be accidentally caught in massive per-kb charges or to miss out on the phone's functionality, but the real reason is precisely what the OP is planning to do--just use wifi. I'm hoping for that option as well. That's precisely the reason that carriers were so reluctant to allow wifi on phones in the first place. Plenty of manufacturers were willing to put it in years ago--pre-iPhone, but the carriers didn't want people using wifi to avoid their data plans.

Although the common wisdom on many forums seems to be that going without a data plan for phones like this doesn't make any sense, the common wisdom is, as you'd expect wrong. Or at least wrong for some people. Plenty of people have wifi at home, work, school and most of the places they hang out, and also have a data-use pattern that doesn't require 24/7 data access.

Carriers subsidize the phones, and then make their money back on monthly contract plans. It's only very recently that viable and broadly appealing pay as you go plans have been worth looking at. Anyway, now that data is so much more pervasive, it's becoming part of how Carriers decide on how much to subsidize a phone. They can either figure what percentage of people will get data, and calculate the subsidy from that, or they can require data and not mess with figuring percentages.

WinMo is a great platform to go data-less, because you can alter the winmo registry using a program like NoData, and actually turn off the carrier data radios, to ensure that there's no data access happening in the background running up per-kb charges.

Personally, I'm looking at TP2 with ATT, and I haven't yet heard whether they have plans to require data or not. Or whether any such requirement is attached to the phone itself, or just the 2-year contract price.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
EXACTLY!!! Its just another way of them to get money out of customers, if somebody really needed a data plan they could just get one themselves. But I think its likely that this phone wont need one cause no wm phone has ever needed one, so it probably won't, but I just wanted to know other people's opinions on this cause its not like its impossible.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] galaxys:
^I'm not aware if any Tmob store requireing data plans where I live...hopefully they won't in the future.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
Sprint just tweeted about the Pre: The Pre requires an Everything Data plan - SERO plans will need upgrade to Everything Plus plan or other Everything Data (450/900/S.E.).

So I'm guessing there is a good chance they will make the same bonehead move for the TP2. This will probably affect my ability to upgrade.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
It's possible, but don't forget the Pre is not just a Sprint exclusive, it's one of the most talked about Sprint exclusives that I can remember. They're putting a lot more effort into that phone than they will for the multi-carrier TP2, as such, they might be expecting to get more out of each sale.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
That's a good point about the exclusivity. I hadn't considered that. Well, we'll just have to wait and see. I don't expect to see TP2 from Sprint before November in any case, so there's lot's of time I want to NOT spending worrying about it :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
One other thing that does make me think that this phone will not require a data plan is that the G1 for example, cost 180 with a new contract, but requires a data plan, and then phones like the fuze, are over 300 with a data plan and doesn't require a data plan, maybe that is part of the benefit of getting a pricier phone, no data plan required, kinda like if a printer sells for cheap usually the ink is expensive, and if the printer cost more it's probably priced more reasonably. so even though a lot of phones do require a data plan maybe the reason wm phones don't is cause they cost so much more.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lw00d:
i want to get the TP2 on the verizon network.. does anyone know if they are going to charge for a data plan??? iv never had a winmo phone b4.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
LOL...Verizon is just getting set to come out with the original TP. I wouldn't look for the 2nd gen version of it from them for at least a year.

Then again, I'm the guy who said Sprint wouldn't come out with it before November, so you know how far you can take my word on things! :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lw00d:
if you read the post that i made.. you will see that FCC is testing two CDMA TP2. one of those phone is going to verizon.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
I don't recall the article being very clear about one of them being Verizon, just mentioned as a possibility.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I heard that the touch pro 2 will require a data plan and I was wondering if anyone knows if there will be a way around it, or if an unlocked version will also require a data plan?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
It is supposed to come out in about a week or so so i was wondering if anyone had more information about this
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jim_0068:
Yes it will require a data plan, Tmobile has changed its policies that all smartphones require data plans. The cheapest is $24.99 a month with no messaging.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] atlp99:
T-Mobile requires a data plan for TP2

The TP2 will require a data plan with T-Mobile.

The only smart phone currently sold by T-Mobile that does not require a data plan is the Shadow. The Dash 3G requires the data plan. The Touch Pro 2 will require a data plan unless you purchase the phone at retail cost. Pricing is not released yet, so not sure how much it will be.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] At0mAng:
It is crazy that phone companies require data plans. Personally I use it but for a person like my friend who wants to get an iphone so bad will never get one becuase over the lifetime of contract it will be like $720 for data. There is nothing special about a WinMo or iPhone that require data. If they cared about the customer then they can turn it on/off at the customer's request.

XDA members here in the states and in different countries, if it is the same should take it up with our local politicians. With Apple, AT&T and Google fighting over G Voice there is a bit more attention on the industry and some of its monopolistic ways...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] TheMan42:
BB Pearl models don't require it either, and even though they're technically not true "data" devices, the Behold and Memoir don't either.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] crazy talk:
they require it because they have to make their money back somehow after subsidizing nearly 1,000 dollar phones.

i bet if you buy the phone unsubsidized/bring your own you can use one without a Data contract.

makes sense really...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] At0mAng:
Doesn't a 2 year contract do that? The reason for the phone discount in the first place was the agreement for being a customer for the amount of years. There was a time when phones had no data setup and yet you were locked into a contract and 1 year was the norm. Now that phones require a data contract what does the customer get in return? The right to own a phone? That leaves no choice for consumers which doesn't make any sense.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vapor:
That's the old contract. The new contracts for smartphones now require a data plan. And you can do 1 year if you wanted to as well, T-Mobile has that option.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] At0mAng:
The point is it is not right for phone companies to make the customer get data plan when it is not needed. And it can't be to recover cost of phone. G1 off contact is 400 with contract and being forced data is 199. Data plan x 24 = a lot more than price difference without contract. Plus the 2 year serive agreement gets you discount, not the data plan. Not to menntion...try registering G1 or iPhone with no data plan on T-Mobile or AT&T, you can't. So how does forcing data plan on phone you bought outright recover phone cost for phone company?

It's a ploy by the phone companies to make more money and as consumers we have rights but customers don't care enough to do anything about so we get forced to purchase services that may not be needed for many people.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] argoldst:
I agree but we do have a choice. You can simply buy an unlocked phone. Yes you pay more money but no contract, no forced data plan, or anything else.

As consumers, we need to either speak with our wallets or accept what the cell phone companies are doing.

I for one, will not buy any phone if I am forced to get any certain level of service.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
If there were a bigger subsidy, it would make sense. I've bought phones retailing off contract for $300 free, and somehow the carrier managed to stay in business without forcing me into a data contract. The TP2 can be bought unlocked for $700 and TMo is subsidizing it to the tune of $350. You really think they need 2 years of an extra ~$30/month to make up that extra $50? (given how much data iPhone users use, I'd consider their situation to be different--the same hasn't been shown for other users) This isn't a simple extension of past practices to make up for new higher cost handsets, this is carriers (for the most part) finding a way to up their profit margins significantly in a way that most consumers won't protest at. Given that I've heard nothing good about TMobile's data coverage ever, it should be especially galling to their customers.

According to every carrier that has weighed in on the subject, req'd data plans are actually about protecting the consumer from unexpected per-kb charges (*rolls eyes*). Which would actually be fine if it were a default that you could opt out of. With WinMo it is especially easy to lock it down so no programs use data without your consent (via NoData).

I'm actually fortunate to have found a prepaid plan that suits my usage so I can buy retail. It would suck to buy retail, then pay for everyone else's subsidys with my phone plan.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] atlp99:
Rant :)

You are right consumers have the right to make the decision for themselves. Customers DO have a choice. If you want the discount on the phone get the data plan. If you want don't want to be locked in to the data plan pay full price for the phone. The decision is up to you the consumer.

Right now the only phones that will not function without a data plan on T-Mobile are the G1 and myTouch3G. Android needs the data connection to activate. After that they work just fine using wifi data.

Carriers are starting to require data plans on high end devices for multiple reasons.

1.The carriers make more money, that is their purpose. They are in the business to make money.

2. Customer with data plans on smart phones generally report higher satisfaction with the devices and their services. This cuts costs for the carriers by reducing churn.

Remember that most customers are not like the XDA members here who are knowledgeable about how to change settings and services on their phones.

TheMan42,

The pearl and pearl flip are still on the old pricing, with $100 mail in rebates. The rebate requires the data plan. Same thing with the behold, memoir, and now the highlight, data is required to get the mail in rebates. The rest of the smartphones have all instant rebates (final pricing has not been released for the TP2 but I am ASSUMING that it will be the same as most of the other smartphones) and threfore require the mandatory data package.

Sorry for the rant :)

One bit of good news for those of you who do not want to get a data plan, The $15 individual messaging option does currently qualify for the discounts. You are most likely going to need to order through customer care since most in store reps will not sell the phone without the email / web bundles. This is a temporary policy and may change between now and when the Touch Pro 2 comes out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] scepterr:
@atlp99 Totally agree

Another factor worth mentioning is the large amount of customers who purchased data-centric devices refusing to get the data plan instore, yet later end up calling customer care to add it on. Thats been a major talking point when discussing improving overall satisfaction and decreasing churn.At the end of the day, they are thinking about 35+ million customers, not just the members here :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fortunz:
Which isn't as smart as it sounds. The people here are the one in ten who tell the other nine what to buy.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dcmetrodude:
t-mob web and TP2

I've had the wing for almost two years now with the t-zones aka tmobile web all you can eat plan for 5.99. It is working great. I hope they just let me buy the device without the plan (I'm out of contract currently) and continue with the tmobile web plan. That would be perfect. I will call them and give it a shot.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Supertrooper:
Good luck with that. There is no more $5.99 data plan. I found that out the hard way a long time ago. When I purchased the G1 when it first came out, they canceled my $5.99 plan and made me get the $24.99 plan. I decided to sell the G1 and get my $5.99 plan back and they said it no longer exist. It was then $9.99. Hell, now I think they don't even have that one anymore. I just said to hell with it and got the full blown unlimited everything plan.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] i<3myphone:
I am with TMobile. I have an unlocked TP2. I do not have the data plan. I have the oldie but goodie $5.99 tzones plan. Works fine for me. I get unltd internet, can check email, do all the things I need to do.

I justified paying for my unlocked version like this...if I got it from Tmo, then they would charge me another $25 a month. That figures out to be an additional $300 a year. Well, I would rather put that into my phone, not my plan. Besides, I have a GREAT loyalty plan deal + a state employee corporate discount. I end up only paying $57 a month with taxes and fees. THis is untld nationwide calling, internet, and 400 texts.

Now if I could only get a stronger signal with this phone, life would be great. I get a lot of dropped calls at my house now since getting this phone. Signal was weak before with old phone, too, (2-3 bars) , but now I only get 1-2 bars. :(
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bravo261:
but the big catch is that you don't have 3g with that setup. if t-mobile forces a data plan when bought at full price (or craigslist for me) then i'll be buying back a touch pro. i'll be missing a d-pad, even if it is the touch pro's crappy one
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] atlp99:
No Required data if you buy at full retail

Just to clarify,

If you pay full retail you are NOT required to get a data plan. Only if you want to pay the discounted price is the data plan required.

If you walk in to a T-Mobile store and pay full retail you will have a TP2 with working 3G if you ever decide to get the data plan.

The $5.99 tzones is gone, it is replaced with the $9.99 web to go plan for non-smartphones for unlimited web or $19.99 for web and text messaging.

The systems are supposed to have been upgraded to recognize imei numbers so that the old t-zones hack will not work with web to go plans.

I have NOT tested this personally on any of the newer phones, but I believe that it is still working on the older phones with t-zones.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] i<3myphone:
my area does not even have 3g right now anyway. and from what i hear...3g sucks up the battery life. i am not too displeased with my Edge service. i get by fine. if 3g means $25 a month, then i will take edge any day.!!!