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[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Kid,

If you don't like this thread, give it a one star or no star rating. But the way I look at it, the high star rating for this thread seems to indicate that most people like this thread. (and now you can go away to figure out how you can lower the score if you're so inclined)

If you really can't stand this thread, PM a moderator to close it down. And for your information, on another thread (HD versus iPhone), there were many people like you wanting to shut down the thread too. In fact, I personally PMed a moderator to close it, but my request was not entertained. Then, other users asked that the thread be left open because they are learning very useful things from there. If the moderator's decision does not please you, you can just ignore this thread.

People are free to discuss other platform here, be it Omnia II, LG phone that you promoted in one of your post, or anything else. People don't get married to one phone for life, and are constantly exploring better solutions. Most people who complain about MS is only for CE5.0, and for very valid reasons. If you're so happy with CE5.0, why do you promote an LG phone that claims to be running WM7? Many people including me do look forward to WM7. But only when enough third party applications are written for it, and not just a good OS with little software choices.

Again, nothing wrong with promoting LG and WM7, because you too want better solutions and you could start a thread to share any information you know about that and WM7 for HD users here looking for a change.

I'd love to see a HD user starting a "My Palm Pre experience" (or "HD versus Android experience" for that matter)and to give us good unbiased information on this great device too. I'd rather get such information here than from a person with HD experience.

Contrary to your assertion, this is not a iPhone promotion thread. It is a thread to share information, so both good and bad points of iPhone will be frankly discussed. Everyone make up their own mind with what we hope are correct and oomplete information known to us.

So, please stop being such a pain.
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
the reason why I'm not in favour with option like slingbox, is that you need to have a server running in your house, and with home broadband's uplink typically a very small pipe, the streaming might be affected as a result. You also need to connect to dynamic domain I assume unless you have a fixed ip address from your broadband provider (i doubt so)

if I like to watch movies or listen to my mp3 in my house, really I don't need sling player as I already have a home media nas that can provide streaming via upnp and rtsp. Remember the whole idea is not to make your phone a super duper media player, since you are supposed to be on the go, and allow you to watch specific programs/media you like, rather than everything possible you have at home/server. After all, your mobile device is running on battery, and even your mobile device can playback media files 24x7, your eyes probably won't given the small screen. 3.8" is big, but not big enough to allow one to watch continuously for hours w/o having a rest.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Fixed IP address is not a problem. A small charge from the Telco for that. Otherwise, the IP address is only changed when I reset the router anyway, so as long as I don't shut it down or reset, I would know what that address is.

You have a point regarding the upload speed though.
[Touch HD General] shruff:
bwhahahaha... hilarious convict have fun with your fruit phone whilst eat some disgusting vegermite, recycled from brewers and banned in some countries :D

Unlike yourself I have a life and a job more important than started silly "iphone" threads and patronising forums.

Stop being such a bore!
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
when you are on the go, you don't want to be bothered with the trivials :D :D You just want to turn on, and watch, and no bother if your wife has switched off your home server, your kid has plug out your cable modem (which then change the ip address) and most imptly, won't want to pay just to have a fixed ip address for this purpose :D :D
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
Vegemite was never banned in the US. Its owned by a US company, Kraft.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Ignorant kids won't know that though.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You're right about not wanting to worry about wife and kids turning it off. Actually, I'm more worried about power failure when everyone is out, and nobody is at home to take the call and tell you the new ip address. So, fixed IP is the way to go. Some ISP here do offer fixed IP address anyway, while some charge a very small fee for that.

As for the upload speed again, the ADSL2+ theoretical upload speed is 1024 kbps, so I think if we can achieve half of that movies should be acceptable.

The main concern is still whether I'll get a hugh bill for that. I guess I can try to get a 5 or 6 GB plan but due to my inexperience in this matter I do not know if even that will be enough.
[Touch HD General] enthusio:
off topic again!!

Hi eaglesteve! Missing you in the Advantage forums! I just dropped my Advantage and it's trashed!

I'm now hovering between an iPhone and Touch HD and would love to hear your thoughts on your transition from the advantage to the smaller screens of the HD and iPhone.

The 3GS is only coming to South Africa in August!

Do you miss your Athena?

Cheers
[Touch HD General] homer285:
Actually it was founded by an Australian and originally called Kraft Walker Cheese Company of Australia. Vegemite was a Canadian invention that was removed from product stores in the US because of its controversial ingredients, Vegemite contains added folate, which is now only allowed in breads and cereals, officials have began confiscating jars at the border.
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
Has the vegemite site been lying to me? You have a source?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
enthusio, good to see you and welcome to this forum. Just sent you a PM.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Experience in migrating from one phone to another

Today my iPhone 3GS arrived.

This is what it took to migrate from one phone to another with iTune.

- I did a sync for my "old" 3GS to iTune.

- I activate the new phone with the same SIM card (could be a different one, does not matter really) on the same PC.

- Do a sync after activation.

All my applications and data has just magically appeared on the new phone, completely intact. Email, contacts, calendar, notes, data of every single applications. Only the jailbroken applications are not there. However I expect the data for jailbroken application to be still there. I'll find out after the jailbreaking tool is available for 3GS.

What a speed demon 3GS is.:D

Love the new wired headset. Let me do voice control, pause/play/skip/change volume. Music sounds great.

As part of the migration effort, I decided to completely reorganise the music file. Did lots of manual renaming to get rid of special characters. Got rid of the auto organisation of directory. Very easily done.

Noted Sygic has released GPS for Australia/New Zealand/Malaysia/Singapore/Indonesia/Thailand/Taiwan/and large number of European countries. Noted also that Navigon with European maps has recently appeared on the Apple store. Looks fantastic.

Web pages loads very significantly faster than the already fast Safari. Now when I scroll webpages, there is no longer any checkered pattern appearing. I have done quick rough comparison with my 3G, and found the 3G takes at least 50% longer to finish rendering webpages compared to 3GS.

Useability factor has just leapfrog once again with 3GS because everything is so instantly performed. Stability will no doubt improve even further with double the memory.
[Touch HD General] maati:
'Instantly' is an exaggeration. The 3G was slow, the 3GS is faster. But it still doesn't perform anything instantly.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
How fast is iPhone 3GS and 3G compared to HTC Touch HD?

Here are the speed comparison that I've just performed to give an idea of how the new iPhone performs:

Operation----------HD--------3GS------3G

Reboot-------------1m 3 s---23 s-----34 s

Launch youtube---- 11 s----- 1s------2s

Launch googlemap---3 s-----1.5s-----2.5s

Launch Lexisgoo-----4s------2 s ---(note1)

Launch HiCalc-------2.8s---1 sec----(note1)

Display 1st screenfull of thumbnail using Album versus Photo--5.5 s--0.4 s ---(note1)

Take a picture and wait till it is ready to take the next---12 s-----1.9s----1.8s (reaction error?)

Display picture from thumbnail-----2 s----0.5s---(note1)

Render www.smh.com.au-------29.5s----10s----44s

Render www.asia1.com------55 s-----15s-----36s

Render http://cin.inspiriting.com----11s---5s---9.7s

Render http://cijinspiriting.com---20s----7 s---14s

Render www.mobilehornet.com---25s----9.2s---18.5s

All website rendering is from pressing the go button till the progress bar completely disappear.

All cookies and cache cleared.

All application launching feels instant. All webpages scrolling are without checkered pattern appearing and without getting momentarily paused.

All test performed using wifi of my ADSL connection with 1.5mb/s home internet max speed.

My HD runs stock ROM version 1.56.405.1(43972)WWE Rom date: 03/06/09 Radio version 1.13.25.24 Protocol version 52.62.25.34U. According to Maati, stock ROM are the fastest ROM, faster than any cooked ROM. So, if he's right, the speed differential will be even greater for those who use cooked ROM.(anyone disagree should debate with him, not me)

Note1: I have already transferred the program to the new phone, so I can't test this.

You can also see that even 3G is way faster than HTC touch HD in most cases. Only in one case (when rendering smh.com.au) that it was mysterisouly taking longer than HD.

Might I also add that my HD is almost empty with just Tom Tom in it while my 3GS is fully loaded with heaps of applications, with calendar, mail, address fully restored.

Maati, I'll let the numbers speak for themselves, and not debate about the semantic.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
I vote eaglesteve "Presidenta" of the iphone fanboy fan club! :D
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
What a waste of money. From one toyphone to a faster toyphone
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
He does seem very fanatical about the iphone, especially considering this is a winmo forum. It really wouldn't surprise me if he works for apple. I just can't understand why he keeps posting here, if he's so happy with his iphone then why not find a nice iphone forum.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
huh

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24VwM8RTzSg

watch and tell me, do you feel like an a$$ now?
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
lol bogus:rolleyes: I've had a Touch HD for almost a year and it never loaded that fast. I also know the Youtube page was preloaded on the HD instead of fresh start. The Hd looks to be running on Wifi and the iphone 3g on edge.

The Iphone 3GS is a whole different ballgame. My 3GS is way faster than my Touch HD. For reference my 3GS will load applications from a fresh start as fast or faster than my HD with all my applications preloaded before hand. Safari on Edge on the 3GS loads web pages about the same speed as the HD running on 3G speed in Opera. The processor in the 3GS is miles ahead on the one in the HD. Not just another 100Mhz faster than the HD, but a different design with fatter pipelines and more onboard cache.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
puh-lease, mine does load that fast, with Internet Sharing application turned on for Vaio i'm using to write this, just tried....so i don't know what you people do with your phones or what exactly are you talking about....hell, in 11s it's already buffering the Michael Jackson rushed to hospital video and playing like on the youtube demo :rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] suisen:
look what you made me do

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KotZ_oPLAUE

wasted 23mb of precious data and interrupted my Buffy The Vampire Slayer session because of your vicious propaganda and lies
[Touch HD General] utvol06:
I never had an Iphone before a 3GS so I cant tell you how fast the previous ones were. I just know the 3GS dusts my HD. I just did a test using wifi since my sim card is off in my HD. identical youtube videos play much smoother on the 3GS..much higher framerate..even though the HD youtube is acceptable its nowhere near as smooth and fast as the 3GS. webpages load significantly faster on the 3GS than my HD wifi on both.

I'm not here to be a fanboy, because I'm not I've owned both and can afford do buy another..so it has nothing to do with justifying my purchase. If I didn't feel 100% happy with my 3GS I would have sold it and gone back to my HD until the Touch Pro2 came out. I know I once swore I never would buy an iphone when i was using my Wm devices, but I was close minded then. If you ever get a chance to try a 3GS for more than 2 seconds and keep an open mind you may see things differently.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
If you can read, you won't be saying this.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
If you can read, you would have seen that I was comparing the LAUNCHING of the application in my test. Your video compares between Touch HD and iPhone 3G (rather than 3GS), and we do not know whether both are using WIFI; or if they use 3G, whether both SIM cards are from the same network.

I have not tested the playing of the video yet but I will do one just for you my friend.

I use wifi for my test in the following video. It is challenging to start both at exactly the same time, especially when HD screen does not respond as well as iPhone's, but after many trials, I managed to make it quite close. As you can see, iPhone 3GS is the winner in playing youtube video in my test.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYh1B1U8JoA
[Touch HD General] homer285:
What? didnt you know? The "S" in 3Gs stands for Steve from this forum! hahahahahahhaa
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
iPhone's flash support leaves much to be desired.

For those of you who likes to play flash video games or watch lots of flash videos on your mobile device, iPhone leaves much to be desired still. HTC Hero is surging ahead in this area:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/articles/htchero.html

http://tech.blorge.com/Structure: /2009/06/24/android-leapfrogs-past-iphone-with-flash-support/

Whereas iPhone users are still struggling with this clumpsy work around to play those videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bG9DlXVKs2c (I have not tried this yet myself)
[Touch HD General] suisen:
yeah, and if you can read you can go back and see you wrote LAUNCHING of the application takes 11 seconds and now you have 3 vids where it does not, where the difference is hardly noticeable....that's the a$$ part, not the vid playing
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Launching means you start from the clicking of icons or start program till it finish loading. It is different from what all these videos are showing. In these speed comparison videos, launching is already done at the start of the videos. In other word, none of the speed comparision videos here shows launching of application. It shows after youtube has been launched, after you have search for what you want, then, from that point to the time when it starts playing. So, please don't get confused.

To see the difference in loading the VIDEO and playing it, see this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYh1B1U8JoA which is between 3GS and HD
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
btw, how well does iphone multitask? I read that it does but only for apple built-in apps, and not all built-in apps support.

you might ask why is it important to multi task, afterall, it's such a personal device that execute tasks based on what your mind is thinking at the moment you carry out an command :D

for me, when I drive for a decent distance, I always have my mp3, my phone and my navigation running at the same time. Ok, I don't talk and drive all the time, but I do encountered a few times, when my navigation software is displaying my route, my media player is playing my favorite mp3 in the background, while I'm talking to somebody over the phone via bluetooth (e.g. to communicate to the other person my route)

boleh?
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
Something’s defiantly wrong with you HD. When I launch youtube it takes less than 2 seconds. And by launch I mean click the icon in the start menu.
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
If you think anyone here is being impartial in either camp, well...

I’m no network engineer but I’d like to know how all these people on the Internet are connecting two devices though one network to the same resource at the same time and expecting a fair result? I’ve seen videos of both devices winning by a mile? I tried this will identical computers a few times and the result varied.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
If you use 3G, then the comparison may turn out to be a network speed comparison. I believe using your Next G Telstra (max 7.2mb/s max theoretical )speed you will just run over my Optus network (max 3.6mb/s theoretical) speed. I saw a Cnet speed comparison which uses three different network operator in thier speed test, so you could see how we should take those result with some skepticism.

I don't have two Optus network SIM card with data pack to play with. That's why I use WIFI. It may be true that download speed over the same WIFI varies across time, even for the same device doing the same thing. But if you conduct the test over many different web pages and all show the difference, then I think we could say that while the magnitude of the difference could vary from test to test, the overall picture still tells the correct story.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Your first paragraph is correct, for non-jailbroken iPhone. However, it is also worthwhile nothing that many applications which do not multitask are designed to commence from where they stop, hence you don't really know it is not being multitask, unless you look into the list of running task with some tools.

As for your second question, I do not wish to speculate too much because as far as GPS software is concerned, iPhone is just about to get their releases as we speak, so I don't have real experience using anyone of them yet. So far, for you living in Singapore, perhaps making frequent trips to Malaysia, the only GPS software available ATM is Sygic http://sygic.com/index.html . BTW Sygic has maps for Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand, East Asia (not sure which countries), Taiwan, Europe, and are about to release the US maps.

I looked into the apple store, and according to the product description, it does play music while you use the navigation. The present version has a bug in that voice instruction does interrupt the music, but the company has already submitted a new version to Applestore that has eliminated this bug.

On my jailbroken 3G, I could run my GPS based Golf Score Card software, with music playing, and able to take telephone call at the same time. When the phone call completes, I do not automatically resume the Golf Score Card program however. In the case of Car Navigation, we need that to resume automatically when the phone call is over, and this is the case.

Telephone would of course be multitasked all the time. It is impossible to kill it off even if you try.
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
nah, my GPS navigation software continues while I have conversation with the other party. :D

also, can you check if your iphone activesync exchange can do the following

1. set out-of-office message

2. accept/reject/tentative appointment or propose alternative time

3. search company gal (global address list)

4. update contact picture into exchange activesync

5. create new appointment and send invitation to required and optional attendees.

I'm considering my next device as my HD replacement (HD is serviing me well btw, using Dutty's ROM, stock ROM is a joke), so I'm looking at Android right now.. :D :D
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Android is impressive. I played with the Magic for a couple of hours few days ago, and must say that I like it. The screen type and resolution is almost the same as iPhone's. I thought the operation was quick and smooth too, although the UI is not as consistent. The way it toggle to other running task is like the way a jailbroken iPhone does it. I think I would like the Hero even more than Magic. I hope the application store grows more quickly though as that tend to be where I usually find problem in the past. I notice that you're a developer. Perhaps you should get into developing application for Android phone now? Personally I like to see that taking off more quickly.

I'm afraid I can't try out the exchange for you because I don't use it at this stage of my life any longer. Perhaps some other kind forumner could help out?
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
Would you care to enlighten us with the facts that lead you to this conclusion? Your statements have not produced any evidence that the overall picture still tells the correct story. We used identical PC's on the same network and the results varied every time. We used six PC's and I might as well rolled a dice to see which would load first. With the help of a mate we were able to start the loading on four machines at the same time and the result was one machine loading almost thirty seconds after the first.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I think PC tends to have lots more variability. A PC with freshly re-installed operating system can do wonders, before spyware and all other factors begin to build up. So I'm not sure how good an analogy it is.
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
actually I'm not impressed by Android until HTC Hero comes on board.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I felt that the built quality of Magic was quite good. Have'nt put a Hero in my hand yet. I was'nt that impressed with the equivalent of TF3D whatever it is called on Magic. I was trying to get a feel of the touch screen, task switching, and a bit of feel with the calendar, address book, etc. Superficial stuff.

Have you taken the test drive yet?
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
Not exactly helping your claims for your impartial test at all. Throwing doubt against my claim of using Identical PC's doesn't prove your claims. The PC's we used are from a helpdesk, they were all built on the same day, they have no software on them at all apart from those supplied during the installation as the only program they run are web based. Policy prevents the users from running anything besides the web browser.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I don't agree with you, because network resource contention is a real factor in real life. Test should be conducted in real life condition. Also, other than the youtube playing video, the test was conducted one phone at a time, not simultaneously because I could only time one event at a time. I don't know on what basis you think that the network management system has somehow unfairly favoured the iPhone in my test. It is not for me to prove that it is unfair. It is for you to prove that it is unfair.

But anyway,how would you have conducted your test ?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Let everyone finds out for himself to see if it is possible to achieve it in less than 2 seconds from the TF3D internet tab.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
god, i posted my freshly recorded youtube clip of loading youtube app from Start menu even with an Internet Sharing application running, so with 51% memory in use, not 34 after a fresh reboot :rolleyes: even added Facebook and msn for good measure, so you can see 4 apps running and launching in 2sec each :rolleyes: you really should take your HD into shop for repairs or clean it up or something

here, again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KotZ_oPLAUE
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
mine was instant (i.e. probably less than 2sec, maybe 1.95.66 sec) of course, once it starts up it shows the downloading message as it takes another 2-3 sec before the list of video and their images show up.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
May I ask what ROM are you running it on, and are you on wifi (if so, what sorts of download speed is your broadband connection) or 3G (if 3G, what sorts of network speed are you having)?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Same question as above for you zenkinz.