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[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
saminegm,

The three situations you name can all be solved with software apps. There are many internet based/synchronised services too that integrate with your iphone. Hell, you can even send a text through voice alone.

What is interesting though is the throwaway comment about the pen. I need to use my stylus and digital ink for notes, editing documents and other things so I can only use the tablet features of my OQO and Everun, n810 and Wimo devices (although you really need a large screen I think). You cant really do this on the iphone... well unless you want to use your finger to make a small memo.
[Touch HD General] zelcadence:
Colours on iPhone seems to be off too. It's a bit "lomo".
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
I can download full movies straight from my iphone, does wm devices do that?

25,000 apps and counting........
[Touch HD General] akash_nu:
Hell yeah...!! WM was capable of doing that since agessssss...!!!
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
Well, what he meant was: He can download paid movies from itunes.

That's slightly different. Most WM Users dont pay for the movies

:D

on their phones... and they dont depend on one firm providing them.
[Touch HD General] Jezwick:
http://www.phonesreview.co.uk/2009/04/20/3rd-genapple-iphone-to-gain-full-hd-video-out-av-cable/

pretty soon they are going to be able to play said downloads back into their HD Tv ..
[Touch HD General] akash_nu:
Frankly speaking... with a screen like the HD, I won't bother to connect it with a tv. I bought a sannheizer cx 400-ii headset and the sound quality is just unbeatable on this, if I'm bored I'd just put those headphones on and watch the movie on my HD... Sorted... lol...
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
Frankly Speaking, You cant do this on HD...Yeah LOL...
[Touch HD General] Midnight_Rambler:
Hi!

How's the HD's earphone sound quality compared to iPhone and other phones?
[Touch HD General] masrterk:
Iphone Is for Dummies

people who don´t know any thing about tecnology ... Even HTC artemis is more power full as iphone ...

for games Psp

For music don´t use ipod Stuppid Itunes :mad:

Buy:eek: an HTC and wake ape please :D
[Touch HD General] Cret:
Don't know about the headphones you get with the hd but get something decent like some sennheiser earbuds and the sounds is brilliant.

The wife has an ipod touch and some of my mates have the iphone. It's a good piece of kit and I quite like it but it falls short on loads of points.

Someone I know came up with an Excel spreadsheet for 'points' comparison on spec between the iphone and the touch HD and it was the first time I've ever hear my iphone slavvering mate go quiet. Ever.

Now I love my HD but I don't pretend it's some miracle of technology that will change mankind for ever, but for some bizarre reason it always seems to me that the average iphone owner thinks theirs is, and that it can probably end famine & bring world peace into the bargain. It's crazy that they think it's something so amazing when the tech spec isn't that brilliant compared to several winmo phones.

Don't get me wrong, I've played with iphone and ipod touch etc and they're good. The UI is excellent, very slick and pleasant to use. So in terms of user friendliness (except for itunes) they beat winmo devices easily. Multitouch is a great thing too I have to admit.

But apart from that I can't think of one thing they do as well as a winmo device.

Anyway, if anyone is interested I can post up the spreadsheet that does a direct comparison between the two devices and, as it's not complete and are probably errors/omissions you can all add to it to make it a bit more accurate if you want.

The bottom line is I bought an HD because what it does and how it does it suits me better than an iPhone. Other people don't want to mess about tweaking & improving things so for them the iPhone is better. That's all there really is to it as they are not the same device.

But in terms of tech spec, if people want to argue and bicker about it this spreadsheet may be something that you like. :)
[Touch HD General] Samoht2003:
New post

Hey, just added a new post :)
[Touch HD General] pantyryder69:
Please post the spreadsheet as I would like to see the points made for either phone..thanks
[Touch HD General] Samoht2003:
Spreadsheet

Yes, please post... I would like to see it too. :)
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
yeh, let's see what this spreadsheet has to offer...thanks
[Touch HD General] Matterhorn:
iPhone Positives:

Slick interface, user friendly, multi-touch, accessories readily available

----------------------------------------

iPhoneNegatives compared to HD:

No copy and paste...for g*ds sake!

No multitasking...you must be joking!

Terribly short battery life and you can't change it when it gets weak

No "real" navigation system

No microSD card slot

Call quality, all my iPhone friends have call drops...ALL OF THEM

I am not biased, I would buy an iPhone if it made the grade, but it doesn't.
[Touch HD General] javielo1974:
......

- Poor screen resolution

- no FM Radio

- No real bluetooth

- No MMS

- Just 2 mpx

- No video recording with sound (Hd´s sucks, but there it is..)

- and no XDA support...

.......
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Had been quite hesitant to make this post. I expect many window mobile fanboy to jump at anyone with anything positive to say about iPhone. However, I also see that some of you are genuinely misinformed/not having complete information but nevertheless wanting good mobile solutions, and I do feel that it is unfair for me to refrain from making comments.

To make the story short, I was a trueblue winmow mobile fan for many years and still have my HD now. At the moment, my HD has TomTom, Garmin and Mapking on it, but everything else I do, I do it with my iPhone.

My 16 GB iPhone has been unlocked and jailbroken. So, even without waiting till June this year, I am already able to multitask, cut and paste, MMS, video recording with sound and perform bluetooth file transfer. Not perfectly, but acceptably.

The user interface is just unbeliveably good. Every little details has been well thought through, unlike in winmow mobile. Just to give a little example. In the case of auto-rotate in Safari, you can lie down on your side and still use the device landscape (in which case, HD would have auto rotated back to portrait mode, preventing us from browsing in landscape mode). So, while HTC tries very hard to imitate, it is far from being able to close the gap in my opinion.

Besides the clearly superior user interface, the best thing about iPhone to be is the breath and quality of the third party applications. This used to be the reason why I like window mobile more than any other platform, and is also the reason why now I prefer iPhone, because it has very clearly overtaken window mobile in this area. There are very limited choices if I try to look for window mobile applications with really really good interface design. Resco contact manager is an example of an application with good design but there are'nt too many of such available. With iPhone, I'm spoilt for choices, with the exception in just one area: GPS navigation. This is why I still keep my HD, until the like of TomTom is available on iPhone.

Speed, stability, smoothness are of course unmatcheable.

For anyone still looking and undecided about which device to go however, I do not recommend buying the iPhone now. Instead you should wait another month or two for the third generation iPhone. If you already have an iPhone and have been frustrated with the commonly mentioned limitations, you should simply jailbreak it to overcome those limitation.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] roger18:
Well, it seems we don't have the same HD. :D

Mine enables me to rotate in landscape when i lie down on my side (i'm using L2.2 ROM). Same issue with sending MMS, SMS or using You Tube.

Cheers
[Touch HD General] alixoft:
Thanks for your review samoht2003.

Even for your Iphone review eaglesteve.

Personally I can't say that the Iphone is a great phone, neither I can say that it's a terrible piece of hardware. I miss the sensitiveness of the Iphonescreen, but it sucks that you can't use stylusses on an Iphone. The Appstore is a great application, which contains even cooler applications. Sucks though that you need to enter your creditcardnumber to use the it. Same with Itunes, god I hate that program and it even frustrates me even more that I'd HAVE to use it to convert stuff to the Iphone. Furthermore the smoothness of the menu on a touch HD is nothing compared with the smoothness of the Iphone menu, especially the openingup / closingdown animations. They don't stop for a second.

I always tell my friends that the Touch HD a phone is for the regular computernerd that loves to change things, upgrade things and make it cooler in every single way. The Iphone is well made, looks great and easy to use, which makes it a great phone for the standard soapwatching human.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Hi alixoft,

I only have to enter my password to download application. The credit card number was a one off set up just like in paypal. I find that extremely safe and convinient, unlike purchasing applications in winmo environmnet where lots of information has to be entered including credit card number each time I need to buy a software.

Musics from itune need no conversion. There is always a preview to listen to part of the music before one buys them, and it is just another click, enter the password to purchase it. It it directly downloaded to the phone. Of course, there is also the option to download it into itune first then sync it, though I seldom do that. As for musics that I had ripped from my own CD collection and other sources, it is simply a matter of pointing to the directory containing them on itune and connect up the cable.

As for movies, there are so many of them (all without charge), and again, I could directly download and play on iPhone. There are specialised applications to look for and download movies. I just have to be very careful with my 1GB data plan quota as these movies are often more than 500MB . Usually do it using my home wifi connection, but directly into the phone.

As for youtube videos, I again download directly into my iPhone.

As for files not supported by iPhone players, we do need to convert them on the PC first. This is the same on winmo platform.

The greatest difference though comes from the fact that you can play all movies smoothly, without lag of out of sync problem in iPhone but not on winmo platform, even with tuned up coreplayer. I had quite a bit of Karaoke videos from youtube and had always got to mess with lots of parameters in coreplayer to minimise the out of sync problem, and still could not eliminate it. Now, everything plays nicely on my iPhone.

As for stylus, I can see its advantage, for ladies who prefer to keep their long finger nails (hence finding it different to use iPhone's touch screen), and for users who need to do lots of asian language handwriting input. I had initially tought that it is going to be next to impossible to write out an asian language character with iPhone myself, but I was proven wrong. Asian language input turns out to be much easier than I thought with iPhone. I used to keep long finder nails in order to operate winmo screen without having to pull out the stylus but no longer need to keep long nails since I got my iPhone.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Roger,

You're right on this one. I just went back to tried it out and the newer ROM base does do it, althoug it was not like that on the older ones. I tested it out on the newly released factory ROM, and Opera does work the same way as in Safari now. So, when the physical top of the phone points to the ground, the landscape is maintained, thus enabling a person lying on the side to use the device in landscape mode.

Thanks for pointing this out. Cheers.
[Touch HD General] hassler:
you still need to keep long finger nail in 1 hand, in the other you can have your nails cut off

because you're still using HD ya know :d
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
Thank you for your posting. I, being a hardcore business user (lawyer in Germany) , see still a few problems with the iPhone.

First: I have lots of appointments and tasks each day. And I do use Exchange push all the time. E.g. my secretary enters a new appointment in my office outlook and I can see it on my device instantly when I am in court room. On the today page! Is that possible with the iPhone? Maybe with 3rd party software?

Second: If an appointment alarm fires up (example: "Call Mister X") on my Touch HD I can choose to repeat the alarm in 15 minutes.. one hour etc. with two clicks. I learned that I have to edit the appointment on the iPhone because it is not possible to skip the alarm for a given amount of time. Is that (still) true and is it possible to change this with 3rd party software?

Is push calendar and email really working fast and reliabel now?

How long does the battery last using Exchange all day?

Is it possible to sync tasks over exchange?

Can tasks have a start time (on Apples iCal you can set a day not a time)?

Are there banking applications (I know you can use internet banking, but if you have three bank accounts a banking application is much easier)?

These are major issues for a proffessional business user.
[Touch HD General] Matterhorn:
So, when apple decides that it is time to update the firmware on your iphone then you loose your "jail broken" status and have to start all over again setting up the phone from scratch?

I've heard from my friends that the battery life on the iphone is terrible. Do you really think that it has the same life as the HD? I can run my HD really hard and I've never run out of battery before the end of a work day. My friends say that they can never make it through the day unless they plug in their iphone.

I am someone that has to have Navigation software to use when renting cars away from home so the iphone won't work for me until that problem is solved. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the iphone, but I won't carry 2 devices just for Nav, that is the whole point of a Pocket computer/phone, it should do everything.

I will be happy to try an iphone when they stop dropping calls, have Nav. software and better battery life. From what I've heard, the upcoming new iphone model won't have nav either, but that is just a rumor.

Of course, as everyone knows, the interface is the strong point of the iphone.
[Touch HD General] leftkats:
Funny, I have also both iphone and the HD and the battery on the HD lasts much longer than the iphones (you are probably running too many backround applications or something).

Personally I like the HD a lot more than the iphone, due to the freedom of customising many things. As far as the iphones UI, its beatiful, but you get use to it within a week. As far as switching between 3G and Wifi, I cant see the two phones being different and I usually pick more networks with my HD than the iphone
[Touch HD General] bobdude5:
all the things you thought you couldnt do with the iphone you will be able to do once you jailbreak it..icame from the touch hd and it was the best descision in my life..not only is it cheaper but the selection of apps is endless..but i also had the g1 and that was also an amazing phone..scratch that it had an amazing operating system..i hated the phone itself..too bulk and ugly and annoying when you wanted to type just two letters..once the magic comes out in us thats gonna be my baby :)..the hd was nice but windows mobile was not
[Touch HD General] bnlf:
iphone x htc touch hd

I had an Iphone 3g for about 2 months. I sold it and bought a touch hd instead. But i do think its a 4/5 stars phone. My opinion about them:

[IPHONE]

+ A-Gps is better (more accurate) than touch hd.

+ Safari is the best mobile browser by far.

+ Smooth and easy interface.

+ AppleStore + Cydia.

+ Can play nice games.

- No front camera and crap back camera quality.

- Itunes is the worst thing ever created and the limitations it makes to the phone is annoying. (cant drag and drop to memory card to listen to music you have to use the fu$%ing apple software and you cant transfer from different pcs. ie. Once you put your music using PC1 you cant use PC2 to upload some new music without losing PC1 uploaded musics/videos/etc.)

- Cant play videos without formatting and resizing first.

- Battery sux a lot specially if you turn wifi on. In 2hs it runs out.

- You cant turn off auto-rotate.

[HTC Touch HD]

+ Better screen

+ WinMobiles makes the phone a lot more dynamic and versatile.

+ Good camera quality (tho not the best in the market but far better than iphone).

+ Videoconference/front camera with reasonable quality.

+ Flash support for Browsers. (tho iphone now has a way to run flash in websites it still sux and cant open most of the flash websites).

+ 3g is faster and signal quality overall.

+ Good battery duration for a big screen phone (specially if you use nueDynamicClock to underclock the phone if not used - iphone afaik cant be over/undercloked).

- A-gps is not very accurate and GPS never worked for me (i prefer a-gps anyway).

- Stock roms are very slow and buggy you need to make a few changes by yourself to make the phone faster and stable.

- Even with some tweaks interface is not smooth as iphone os.

- Opera hangs a lot and its slower for navigation.

That's it folks. I'll update the post if i remember anything that i love/hate on any of those phones.

Btw for me htc touch hd is a 4/5 stars phone as well but i do prefer it over iphone. I think its just a matter of taste and use. Both phones are really nice.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
iPhone camera

The main problems with iPhone camera as compared to HD, is the low resolution and the lack of autofocus capability, making it very difficult to take sharp pictures without a camera tripod. On the plus side, it takes better pictures in poor light condition, takes picture snappily, have excellent choices of camera software (to do wide range of things such as zooming, noise reduction, sharping the blurry picture, changing the contrast, changing the exposure, etc), all on the device itself without having to upload to PC and photoshop the pictures.

The next generation iPhone however, will have 3.2MP camera and autofocus. Still no in-built flash unfortunately.

The specification of the next generation iPhone was recently leaked by a Chinese factory worker (all iPhones are manufactured in China by Foxconn), and here is the link:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/12/new-iphone-specs-leaked-600mhz-cpu-32gb-3-2mp-cam/
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
Not True, Less MPs =/= Lower Quality

Not True

Other Points have been explained elsewhere
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Originally Posted by bnlf

-you cant transfer from different pcs. ie. Once you put your music using PC1 you cant use PC2 to upload some new music without losing PC1 uploaded musics/videos/etc.)

Fallenczar is right. You CAN transfer from different PCs. I did'nt think deep enough into this before this post, but I do transfer stuffs from both my desktop and notebook.
[Touch HD General] bnlf:
not if your using itunes. Afaik the only way to push stuff to iphone like music/videos is creating a list on itunes and then synchronizing it with the phone. If you make the list in your desktop for example and wants to upload some stuff from your notebook to iphone you have to make a new list and once you set this new list to syncronize it deletes the old content. I checked some forums for a workaround for this but didn't find it.

Feel free to correct me if i´m wrong about itunes sync guys. I just hate it so much that maybe i could let something good pass unnoticed from it :)
[Touch HD General] bnlf:
maybe with the stock rom they could be the same. I must say that i hated touch hd when i used it first time. The french rom that came with the phone was very slow and unstable.

I was able to check the battery life because i travel a lot by bus about 450km (6h travel) to another city sometimes on weekends and holidays to see my parents. The iphone only by checking google maps (3g + agps) from time to time used to end the trip with battery at 5-10% only. On the other hand, i can use touch hd heavily like taking pictures, browsing the internet, google maps, etc and i usually have 50% battery in the end.

I mean with apple stuff like safari. You cant turn off auto rotate and for me it was kind of annoying. :(
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
"If you want to use your iPod (I assume this applies to iphone too but may be wrong) with more than one computer, or if your iTunes library contains more music and video than your iPod can hold, you can choose to manage your music and video manually" - quoted from the itune help text. Not sure how much this would help you, but the way I do it is not via itune. I use third party players to view my pictures and play my videos , and these software provides faciilty for me to control what document I want to drag from my PC (can be any number of them as long as they are in the same wifi network) to my iPhone. I simply enter the correct ip address on any desktop's webrowser after opening up the link on the iPhone, then go to any PC directory to drag the files over.

The advantage of third party viewing and playing software is that it lets you hide more "sensitive" videos and pictures from prying eyes, which is something not possible with winmo platform or with the stock iphone music player and picture viewer.

For music, I use Dtune rather than iPod application. See http://www.iphonebuzz.com/dtunes-is-an-all-in-one-music-player-for-iphone-105103.php Frankly I find it much easier to obtain musics from non-itune sources with iPHone than my HD.

Edit: If you still wish to use iTune to sync the music on more than one computer, there is some information here on how to do it:

http://www.andrewgrant.org/2008/03/30/how-to-sync-an-iphone-with-two-or-more-computers.html

It's a little technical, but all winmo lovers are very technical type of people, are'nt they? ;-)

Hope that helps.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I have tried both stock and cooked ROMs and I find that wifi chews up the battery extremely fast in all cases. The device also heats up and becomes very hot, not just on my HD but also on my Athena.

There are iPhone battery extender accessories that you can use for long trip, but I hear what you're saying. Travelling on long trip on airplane, I'm also annoyed if I have to keep watching the battery level. Spare battery is also my preferred option of HD rather than a portable charger solution in iPhone.

You can certainly turn off auto rotate in Safari like I had already explained, after installing Rotation Inhibitor software and toggling to preventing the auto rotation. When you want the auto rotation back, toggle again. Safari will stay landscape (which is my preferred orientation as the wider screen enlarges the fonts and make them more readable) when auto-rotation is toggled off. This works well for me as I seldom use Safari in Portrait mode (I prefer bigger and more readable texts).

Not sure about the situation now, but is it possible to do this (to lock it at landscape only) with Opera Mobile? Last time I tried, Opera's auto rotation could not be controlled at all (There are so many versions of winmo OS and ROMs version out there, each behaving differently, but this is story for another day) which was why I sometimes preferred to assign one of the hardware key to rotate the screen manually.
[Touch HD General] bnlf:
well the 2 phones have its goods and bads. its just a matter of taste actually.

i could live with any of the 2 phones. I just chose touch hd and you the iphone ;)
[Touch HD General] fallenczar:
Naa, i think more and more people on this forum are, "Homie, Plz Make a Cab for that,... LOLz"

for them SyncTunes Cydia

On a related point, this shows there are three ways to do this this, and some idiots still believe that iphone is not "Customizable" / "Hackable''