[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Hi Maati,

Yours is one of the better posts in the last few pages, at least it contains some concrete points for discussion based on having actually tried the iPhone, instead of some emotional comments which I do not intent to respond to. I hope to keep this thread informative and not let it degenerate into name calling fight, hence my decision to not respond.

Good to hear a different experience and hear a different perspective. I don't doubt the possibility of people having tried iPhone (btw, was it the first generation or second generation iPhone that you tried? Did you jailbreak it and install software to multitask, download music/movies/pictures and to move them to/from PC?) and did not like it. I too did not like not knowing how to multitask in the begining or to tweak the device.

Not being able to switch back and forth between programs, download things from the internet, and move them around between phone and computers are indeed valid comments for the unjailbroken iPhone. As you must be aware by now, all these limitations could be removed with jailbreaking and installing the right application software from Cydia.

Yes, the camera of HD does take better better under good sunlight, provided there is no moving object too near to the camera. Takes a while to save, but it will work. However, it has more severe limitations under poor lighting condition and under fast moving condition. Further, it offers no facility to edit the picture in order to improve it (such as to noise reduction, to sharpen the image, change contrast, or brightness) like what iPhone can offer.

Navigation software comment is valid, at least for people outside US. However, as anyone who bothers to read would be aware, this will soon change. We already know that TomTOm will be soon available. However, I think overall winmo still retain the edge as far as navigation is concerned until more vendors are coming on board, or unless TomTom make its maps for more countries. Edit: Just found out that Navigon is also having an iPhone version now: http://www.iphonebuzz.com/navigon-to-launch-another-iphone-os-30s-pnd-097564.php. Of course, if you're in US, there is also G-Map available: http://www.iphonebuzz.com/turn-by-turn-iphone-gps-app-now-in-itunes-196255.php. In Australia, having TomTom alone on the iPhone is sufficient, however, when I travel to say Malaysia, I would need either MapKing or Garmin (Tried iGo, but it fell flat on its face).

iPhone instead of winmo phone being outdated is the opposite of the opinion I think even winmo die hards won't necessarily agree though. If wm6.1 or even 6.5 is not viewed by the market as as OS that has real problems, MS would not be working so hard to come up with a completely rewritten brand new WM7. I personally find it very hard to get good application software for my HD because Winmo application software is lagging behind iPhone by miles now. I got the impression by reading http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/ed...s-mobile-apps-falling-behind-iphone-ones.html that few developers are doing much for the winmo platform now because whatever they do would have to be re-done when the new OS (WM7) is released. In other word, WM6.1 and WM6.5 are perceived to be on the way out.

Often I see people not being able to discuss iPhone related topic with calmness and objectivity. They defend their current choice and respond to any criticism (however well founded) on their device as if someone has just slap their parent or insulted their religion. So, it was refreshing for me to have read a thread which I thought was one of the better ones. This thread is named "Why I despise the iPhone.". Although the first few posts was just some iPhone bashing comments, it later became quite informative, so I encourage anyone who is seriously wanting to explore alternatives to read it. Here it is:

http://www.4winmobile.com/forums/editorial/20199-why-i-despise-iphone.html

Personally, I don't care whether the device I'm using is winmo, iPhone, or Palm Pre (See http://ptech.allthingsd.com/20090603/palms-new-pre-takes-on-iphone/) , as long as it is the best of the day. If you criticise iPhone with a valid, well put together reasoning, I'll gladely join in and support you. However, I feel it is necessary to correct wrong information, for the sake of people seeking information here. I'm keeping a close eyes on how the third party software development goes on Palm Pre, the availability of GSM version (CDMA is no use for me) with bigger storage. It being the first generation phone is also bound to require some ironing out of glitches for a while. However, I think it is extremely promising and could indeed become a real challenger to iPhone, besides Android phones.

Cheers.