yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
So this isn't you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYh1B1U8JoA

My statement was you can't expect to do a test like this and get an impartial result. If you where to test this on a time clock yes you would have to do it one at a time but as you are not inside a closed network so your results would also vary depending on the weakest link in the network which may or may not be the actual device. It could be you-tube it could be the network.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
Dutty 3.9, manila 2.0, no wifi, actually Vaio draining Croatian 3G (so no, not lightning speed, european prices, sub-par performance) while Internet Sharing
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
What's the theoretical max download speed of that 3G network?

I have not flashed Dutty 3.9 before. Do you feel that this ROM is faster for you than the stock ROM?

Obviously these variables would have a bearing on the response time. Unless we keep as many factors as possible to be constant, we may be comparing apple with oranges. For me, I'm only testing it on MY wifi network, which is just a ADSL1 connection. Ideally I would like to repeat the test with every cooked ROM out there, but the effort is too large for me. I'm in the process of cleaning up my HD before it goes to eBay now, so I don't think I would do any more test than what I have done.

Can you try out all the webpages and see what you're able to get on your ROM and your network? Please wait for the progress bar to completely disappear, and be sure you clear the cookies and cache before each test. Do you have access to an iPhone 3GS to conduct the same website rendering test using the same network? If it is 3G, I suggest that you do it at the same location too, as speed varies greatly from location to location due to different signal strength and coverage.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
no idea, on HSDPA i get about 200 on a great day, usually it's below 100kbps

and yes, you should flash, difference is ridiculous, i'd rather bite my foot of than go back to anything stock (if nothing, just for Start button being program launcher now, not that ugly/useless WinMo menu), virtually bug free, lightning fast, great memory usage and seems to stay battery friendly despite of it all

and my home adsl is about 6 times faster than that 3G my operator offers, so i could try, but not much point, it's only gonna improve ;)

i'll add another youtube on wifi as soon as they process it
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Everyone who are testing and clocking your speed, please be aware that you will not be able to have the same network speed condition as mine, so your result is likely to be somewhat different. Also, the ROM you use might also have a great bearing.
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
on ROM Dutty V3.9XT. I'm based in Singapore, so connection to US site (like youtube) won't be that fantastic as you doing it in US due to the latency, but I do have 3.5G enabled.

Seriously, give Dutty ROM a try. Since you are willing to compare some of the standard features of Winmo with a jailbreak iPhone, you should give yourself a taste of a cooked HD so that you have a better balance of view.

I'm not suggesting that a cooked HD will beat iPhone hands down, just as I wouldn't suggest that a jailbreak iPhone can beat HD, as it all depends on what you are looking for from a phone. But since you want to compare, might as well be more comprehensive with your test rather than use a stock HD as your baseline. Again, I feel that stock HD is a huge let down. My stock Xperia could do much better than what stock HD does seriously.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
It WILL be interesting to flash Dutty 3.9. I've heard so many people praising this particular cooked ROM, so there must be some truth in it.

I'd see if time permits. In my free time, I'm currently very busy working on the eBay listings, as well as preparing my 3G for my wife. Also spending lots of time customizing my own 3GS. I just finished cleaning up the HD to make it factory condition. It does take quite a bit of effort to go back there again. May be...

Or perhaps another forumner with both HD and 3GS could help to conduct the test. Not all test need to be done by me you know.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
there we go, on wifi with 3,8mbps download, 0,76mbps upload, so below average adsl speed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NMm18jpAhk
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
Sure heres my comparison. youtube launching, search, and playback speed test:

please keep in mind that the factory protective film is still on the 3Gs, hence the bubbles. It'll stay there til my invisible shield comes in :). also note that both devices are running on WiFi. I can't do 3g speed tests with only one sim card and one line. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN-8vjJdDUs

eaglesteve, something is seriously wrong with your touch hd if it takes 11 seconds to launch the youtube app. as you can see in my vid it launches just as fast as my brand new iphone 3gs. even videos launches at the same speed.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
impressive that it is as fast as iPhone. What ROM is your HD running on? Can you also try out all the web pages that I tested using both devices? Btw what's the download speed of your broadband?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
3.8 mb/s is a speed so fast that I can only dream about. Mine theoretical max is just 1.5, but in reality I never get beyond 1.1 mb/s. That's one of the reasons why your demo is faster than mine.

Australia is quite behind the rest of the developed world in broadband speed.
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
I'm using Kwbr's Topix 2.4. I'll be sure to test your sites soon. I wanted to test smh.com.au but my HD kept loading the mobile version instead of the full webpage. So I gave up.

But, here's another video I did earlier this morning:

Two speed tests. A bandwidth speed test at dslreports.com and another speed test loading xda-developers.com front page.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFJmea6mfwU

In this vid, you can see that the HD downloads data faster but the 3GS renders webpages faster. In the end they both loaded xda-developers.com at the same time under WiFi. (Note again, I can't test 3G speeds as I only have one sim card and one line.)

Sorry about the bad video quality. I used my Macbooks built in webcam to record these videos.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Just tried it. In the case of xda-developers.com, I also got almost identical results between the two devices.

Looking forward to seeing your results on the other web pages.
[Touch HD General] zenkinz:
got to admit though, that HD display looks a tad wash out when put beside iphone. but otherwise, it's not a slouch and I can't see why people are writing it off unless you are a 100% apple fan :D :D
[Touch HD General] maati:
Another iPhone experience:

http://pocketnow.com/index.php?a=portal_detail&t=news&id=7676

I post this because it's pretty much the same experience I had with the iPhone. Except that I sold it in the end and kept the Touch HD.

Here's the full text for those who are too lazy to follow the link:
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Good link. Like the matured tone of discussion. No name calling, no childish posts. Something for all to emulate.

You should also read all the comments posted in that link though.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
....and no bs
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
This is another interesting link.

http://forums.ilounge.com/showthread.php?t=248143

Again for those who're lazy to open up the link:

Posted by jazee

Posted by Keirmeister

Posted by Sledutah

Posted by Dyvim
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
if i can merge both my iphone 3gs and my touch hd into one device, I'll be the happiest mofo on earth.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
The keyword here is jailbreak which is a deal breaker.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Network Reception problems in 3GS begin to surface

You guys might not believe that I would make a post like this, especially those of you who had been trying to portray me as a fanboy who could see nothing wrong with Apple product.

Reality is, I see myself as a person who speak truthfully, I have no loyalty to either Gate or Jobs.

In this post, I'm going to mention something that unfortunately is going to put iPhone 3GS in a poor light.

My 3GS is having 3G as well as WIFI reception problem. The error is random, but is frequent.

I have both my iPHone 3G and 3GS side by side, using the same network, and 3G shows full bar, but 3GS shows 1 or 2 bar, or even having no service. Even when my 3GS shows full bar, most of the time I cannot get internet connection established.

In the case of WIFI, the signal strength on my 3G with full bar and just one bar in 3GS. In situation when I do get wifi signal, I randomly get no internet connection error too.

I visited the Applestore today to tell them about this problem. They re-flashed the firmware and the problem seems to have gone away for a few hours, but it returns again. Just a few minutes ago, I alternate my SIM card between the two phones, and could predictably get connection on my 3G but produce "no internet connection" error on my 3GS. With more research, I discovered this discuusion thread:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2048173&start=0&tstart=0

Looks like the problem is being experienced by many. There is already a press report on this.

http://www.dailytech.com/Apples+IPhone+Suffers+More+Signal+Problems/article15540.htm

There is a problem here. I will also bring that experience to this thread. I'm not here to convert you. Just to share my experience with you, good or bad alike.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
So in history how would they handle this? Has something like this happened before? Do they patch between firmwares?

Not to throw oil on the fire but this came via code project today.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...gs_units_discoloring_from_excessive_heat.html

Personally I can't really see the difference. Maybe thats why I don't mind 65000 colours.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
That was how it was handled in the previous version. Firmware update fixed it.

There is already one major firmware beta released just today (3.1). Not sure if it would fix the problem like it did in firmware 2.0. I'm keeping my finger cross and let everyone knows how it goes.
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
The HD's overall display is not washed out. Infact it's no worse than the iPhone 3G S. For some reason though, the HD likes to render videos (especially low res) really bright with really bad contrast, giving it the "washed out" look. Outside of videos, the HD sports much deeper blacks and better contrast than the iPhone. It's clearly noticeable throughout the entire interface and also when viewing pictures. Eaglesteve and others who own both devices could probably vouch for this.

IMO, the first gen iPhone's had better contrast than the 3G/3GS iPhones. It could be that Apple used a different LCD for the 3G line of iPhones. That I'm gonna have to look into.
[Touch HD General] tweaker:
@eaglesteve

My sister has been having the same problems with her 3GS as well. However, my 3GS seems perfectly normal. I've had maxed bars with 3G internet access nearly everywhere. I've done side by side test with both 3GS phones and it does seem apparent that my iPhone gets better signal than hers. Never really bothered to see if anyone had the same problems though. Hopefully the 5.0 baseband upgrade in the upcomming 3.1 will fix this issue.
[Touch HD General] maati:
Yes, that's right. In addition to the contrast, the viewing angles on the Touch HD are much better.

The iPhone's display is a bit more readable in direct sunlight, though. But overall the Touch HD's display is quite a bit better imho.
[Touch HD General] PoisonWolf:
@Tweaker,

Could be a bad batch in one of the production factories. Anyhow, if some people are having the issues and others are not, the odds are very strong that it's a hardware related issue and cannot be solved by software. As such, I'd recommend getting an exchange while you still can.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Could very well be problem for some batches only. I asked in a forum if anyone else has the same problem and got only one yes response so far. Consider there were more than a million sold within the weakens alone, the number of people with problem would appear to be a very small percentage. I was already promised a swap by the apple store staff.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
Lets say 1% of a million would be how many? thats a lot isnt it?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Where did you get the 1% from?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Go my 3GS replaced. I must say that Apple's customer service and after care is absolutely fantastic. So many apple retails store are dedicated to teaching people how to use their product free of charge. The genius bar folks are so friendly in helping users resolve techincal problems. Yesterday they re-flashed the firmware for me and asked me to monitor how it goes in order to rule out software as a possible cause. I told them today that the connection problem is still there. Today I went there without an appointment, but the staff said they will help me anyway since I come all the way. Within 20 minutes I was served, and given a brand new replacement. They're sure it is a hardware manufaturing defect in my case, which somehow has slipped through the QA. Not a slight hint of annoyance or irritation displayed. Very happy in this front.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
Wow thats great. So you went into a store without an appointment (after going the day before and being told to monitor it incase it's a software problem), with a product bought from them that had a manufacturing hardware fault, and you only had to wait for 20 minutes for them to replace it? I really dont call this good customer service.

I think it's safe to say you work for Apple's PR department. And just incase you're thinking im an Apple hater im not. Im tying this on a MPB that cost me £1,300 and i love it. I just hate it how people praise Apple for doing exactly what is expected from them. Maybe i should do a post about Ford, im so please with how my car starts when i turn the key :)
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
with steve even a deffective unit experience is a good one when its an iphone
[Touch HD General] turcomora:
Wow some of you guys are haters on apple. When was the last time you were able to walk into an HTC or any retailer that sells HTC product have them walk you thru any problem you may have and then if that does not work get a new replacement unit. I sure as heck have not had that even thought I have owned over 20 htc devices. I have been a loyal htc customer longer then most but I have to admit that the new iphone 3gs is a great device. Price, design, quality,warranty, etc. I currently have the Touch HD T8285 and my wife has the iphone 3gs and I'll tell you what they go neck and neck.
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
In Australia its the law.

Every

retailer has to replace a defective product for any reason whatsoever within the first two weeks of receipt of goods. They also have to supply a twelve month warranty on the goods as well.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
It is also one thing to do a replacement, but to do it with a genuine smile, without the need to fight for it is another thing. The guy who serviced me has his schedule full for the rest of the day since everybody is expected to book his time through the internet. He did'nt need to service me and management would not be able to say a thing. But he chosed to multitask and service me while his other customer's backup was taking place. It was completely voluntary effort by him. A real good guy.

Yes, it is the law, but the law does not require Apple to replace faulty iPhone 3G with a brand new iPhone 3GS, which has happened more than once, according to people posting on forums.

In contrast:

- If my HTC Athena breaks down, HTC here would not service it. I would have to send it overseas myself. So if my Touch HD since they were ordered via internet.

- When my Toshiba SDHC card was acting strangely, I asked for a replacement since it carried a life time warranty. The guy in Toshiba Australia told me they will charge me about $100 to test and verify that there is a fault. I might as well buy a brand new one with that service charge.

- When I sent my Nokia phone in for service a few years ago for a screen fault that was well reported on paper, I had to pay more than $200.

I like to give credit where credit is due. No matter how much you hate Apple, let's just recognise their excellence in customer service as it really is in this case ;)
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
Its one thing to post that here in a Windows Mobile Forum, how about you post it here..

http://forums.mactalk.com.au/31/49345-iphone-repair-replacement-times.html

I get the same service from Sony who also sell there products directly in their own stores. Replaced on the spot. Try getting the same service from a 'squeezed' retailer in Australia and you in the same boat as all your other failed hardware.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Mate, what if I tell you that I did'nt buy direct from Apple and had got it from Optus over the internet instead? Apple store still took good care of me although I did'nt buy my iPhone from them.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I don't hate Apple, i just hate the people who constantly praise them even when they're doing whats expected of them. I think it's time you moved along now to an apple forum where you'll find people much more friendly and agreeable when you talk about apple.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Your hatred is of no concern to me mate. If you can't control your hatred towards people with different opinion from yours, go see a shrink.

Your bad behavious is not going to affect me from speaking my mind honestly and freely, and participate in any thread started in this website. I will speak and leave in my own term, not yours. So you better get that clear kid.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
You're non-concern of my hatred is of no concern to me.

Im not trying to stop you speaking your mind honestly and freely, im simply trying to alert you to the fact that you have been brainwashed by apple. See apple is like a cult, they get you in and somehow manage to make you think everything they do is amazing, even if its not. But don't worry, you can overcome their hold.

When someone praises a company so much for doing something that is expected of them then that person clearly can not see that the company is not doing anything special or going the extra mile to deliver excellent customer service.

I don't know how stores work where you are from, but here in the UK if you buy a product and it breaks, you take it back to the store and they exchange it or repair it, it's not that they're trying to deliver the best customer service, its just that they're required to do this by law.

If your so easily offended by my dislike for the apple cult and it's follorwers then i suggest you either ignore my posts or as i mentioned earlier find an apple forum where you will be able to talk to more likeminded people who love apple and everything they do.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
what are you still doing in this forum steve? I thought you would have sold your HD by now since you hated it so much. The fact that you are still hanging around a WM forum is mind boggling. If you read that link a few post back some people there didnt get such a good customer service like you did so keep your BS to yourself!
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
My friend, you're incredibly naive. Required by law to do something is not the same as actually doing it, let alone going the extra miles. Does the law says that when you buy from company A then even company B must service you? Does the law says that when you buy an old model product that they must replace it with a newer model?

See how far fetch your argument is ?

You're also incredibly naive and are living in a dream world to expect to have zero manufacturing defects. For me, whether or not you're unfortunate enough to be allocated a defective unit is not as important as how they deal with it.

So you think I'm a brainwashed cult member for being happy with a company who goes extra miles while you're the smart guy happy with this kind of HTC service experience? Who is being brainwashed here? Even to the extent of not being able to recognise blatant facts put in front of you.

Looks to me like it is you who takes offence with anyone posting a good story on iPhone, and is the one who should just stay away from this thread all together, going by your own advice.
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
I doubt you can hardly blame anyone for being naive when there are thing such as ‘Third Line Forcing’ are involved.

From my understanding of this you returned the faulty device to one of these two suppliers. So is your statement of Company A and Company B really that clear?

From Apples form G for the Iphone 3G and the Australian

Competition & Consumer Commission response I only came out confused. How does this affect phone bought ‘outright’ from these suppliers?

From this Article (Summary) which excuses me and just about everyone else (we don’t have a law degree) of being naive when we say no we don’t see how far fetch his argument is?
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
Can i ask you, why are you still on this forum if you dislike your Touch HD and now use your iPhone instead?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
ROFL,

You have such a special talent of confusing yourself. Speak English mate. I have no idea what you're trying to say.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Kids,

Take it easy. This is thread to discuss differences between two phones, two different platform. This is not a religious debate, so please don't use words like "cult" to lable others. Your religion, your parents, your characters are not being attacked, so you don't have to defend them with your blood like you appear to be doing.

I do not hate HD as your put it. In fact, if you only bother to read, I'm anyting but a hater of HD. The difference between you and me is that I'm also open minded enough to not think of people who don't use HD and winmo as cult, and that there may be some strength in the device in their hand too.

If you do not like discussing phones other than HD and winmo, don't read this thread, or this thread, or this thread., or this thread, or this thread, or this thread, or this thread....... Or perhaps only when the thread goes in such a way that glorifies HD and Winmo will you really really love it? You WOULD love you, won't you if it goes that way? But when you see your arguments dismantled, you get upset, and start talking like a spoilt brad. Just go and take a cold shower and get over it. We're discussing two phones here (and neither of them is our friend or enemy). There is no need to be so aggressive and talk like you want to fight, shut me up, and kick me out.

I speak as I will, leave as I will. If you really don't want to continue hearing things that you consider would destroy your very essence of being, just stop behaving bad. May be I'd get bored and leave sooner that way.
[Touch HD General] Slothie:
The fact that you don't understand it is your problem not mine.