yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Blue_Cruise:
me too me too...:)

I didn't give 6.5 a try...but all the comments are talking about 6.5's bugs...I even read here in here somewhere that some users use version 2.0 as their "base" version after trying the 6.5 ROMs...

also you generously promised releasing a business ROM...already drooling... :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] webfrm:
Hell Yeahs

Tried 6.5 but found out a lot of apps don't support it yet. So until 6.5 is final and all the developers on Handango support the new OS some of us business users still need a WM6.1, with new TF3D and under the hood enhancements.

SO please a 6.1 version with all your new knowledge would ROCK!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] tsitadim:
Still using 6.1.

I think 6.1 is the best for raphael.

Please make an update with tf3d 2.1

Thanks a lot.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] epriel:
Yes, PLEASE!

tried nearly every one of your 6.5 ROMs and always find myself going back to my all-time favorite - 41609 release.

Thanks!

EP
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Crake_cz:
Also using 6.1 version. So if you have time, don´t let us wait... ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nik3r:
I have to +1 this

I am giving WM6.5 a try but there are just too many weird and random issues (I don't use either TF3D or 6.5 today but a set of like 5 plugins) and I know I will eventually switch back to faster and 100% stable EnergyROM 2.

If you just made one last update to include some of the newer stuff (not experimental) it would be great and many people would love you ... even more than now if that's even possible :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sergio066:
Still using 6.1 , I tried your energy pack for 6.5 they are great but I'm getting a lot of errors with games :eek:

And another thing I noticed on this packs is that if I use the vibration alert for calls or messages the phone will continuously vibrate, if you check the stock rom the vibration is different you will get like 3 or 4 small vibration and not just one long? Is there anywhere I can change this ??

Thanks ...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] -PC-:
Is there a way to add yahoo back in?

I tryed the OZ deal and get errors threw txt msg's

Thanks
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] raycokes2000:
has someone problems with tmobile netherlands when sending email?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mmalka:
So, what is the veredict?

Chef, what was your decision? Are we getting an update, or do we have to beg more? :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] NRGZ28:
Sigh... 6.1... LOL I hated it when I had it on my TP2 the first couple days after I bought it. Well, you're in luck because I still have the original kitchen for this ROM tucked away, so maaaaaaybe I will update it. Do you guys really like 6.1 so damn much ? :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nhuloan:
nrg stop teasing us with updates.. 6.1 is 10x better than 6.5..

6.5 is like vista of windows mobile
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] NRGZ28:
I hate Vista.. but I love 6.5. hehe
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mmalka:
Lets see:

1- It is bug free, or close to it.

2- It is fast

3- It is better looking than 6.5

So, yes, I do like 6.1 more than 6.5. I have yet to find out what is the big deal with 6.5. IMHO, the layout (or the lack of it), is a step backwards, not an evolution. The bugs are still more frequent than desired for someone who uses the phone professionally and depends on it to perform work, and the speed is not at par with 6.1 on the tests I performed.

I wonder, why did you hate 6.1 so much? I am surprised that someone could build a close to perfect ROM hating the base used for it! You are even better than I though!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mmalka:
I second that!

I am using Windows 7 on one of my PCs, and it is all that Vista should have been but wasn't. What makes me wonder if Windows 7 Mobile will be what 6.5 should have been...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] LarianVonLich:
where i can see screenshots of this stuff?:confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] black_mobility:
Devil's Advocate

So I have been looking at the recent posts about new updates to the 2.0 release but let’s consider this…..the biggest update needed to 2.0 is of course the new manila 2.1 which will correct the sizing issues in some of the menus and also correct other small variables like correcting the Fahrenheit status of the weather in calendar mode. This would be great since 2.0 is pretty much perfect BUT…….none of the old manila tweaks will work with manila 2.1. With that said.. what are we really asking NRGz to do with this build?

I’ve been using the 8/11 Warhawk build for 2 weeks and it is as stable as the 4/16 release if not better. 6.5 takes some getting used to but consider the fact that 6.1 will not be around for long as 6.5 could be released in October when AT&T SUPPOSDLEY gets their version of the Touch Pro 2. Why not go ahead and get a feel for 6.5 now because I know a lot of you are going to upgrade.

Any thoughts?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mmalka:
Because...

Because 6.5 would not last much as Windows 7 Mobile is supposed to come out soon (not to mention the advantages of 6.1 over 6.5 I already listed above)...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nik3r:
For people who tend to use their own set of today plugins instead of HTC/MS fullscreen nonsense WM6.5 is still very unreliable and the new builds offer nothing good in exchange for the instability.

Only different things in WM6.5 are:

- annoying slow long-tap reaction (set to fast via advanced config, the reaction between tap and showing the "right click" menu is 3x longer than 6.1)

- new start menu of questionable value, it's nicer but it's slower to use in action, not to mention the annoying "Lock" left softkey in place where I would expect to be "Today" that can't be disabled or set to S2U2 for example

- kinetic scrolling in SOME applications but awfully large controls that have redrawing issues (black artifacts when offscreen). You can get the same (in some apps better) effect with SPB Pocket Plus scrolling enhancement and properly set FPS for the old touchflo scrolling.

- it eats my battery about 30% faster with the same setup and radio, doh!

- it has nice taskbar skin

- it has the flip gesture tab control which is nice but the reason for the ugly huge tab overview that only shows 3 tabs at once is beyond me

- it applies finger friendly menus even in ALL places, which is slowing you down because of the redundant animation, Energy 2.0 shows for example tray icon menus in the faster old fashion way. Just tell me, if you can hit the tiny tray icon with your finger, you probably can hit the 2x larger menu with your finger as well, what's the point of having to wait for animation to show 4x larger menu than the icon you just managed to hit? xD

- very cool startup animation.. please NRGZ28 anything to have that on 6.1 :)

I don't want to sound negative, the finger friendliness of WM6.5 may be cool for people that use only manilla today screen but for me the drawbacks in latest build still outweight the advantages.

You say it's stable. Every OS is stable as long as you run it in stock configuration, add 300MB of apps and cool today plugins and then judge stability. My Energy ROM2.0 didn't freeze yet since I reverted back from the WM6.5 version a week ago and I charged it once.

NRGZ28, is that enough reason to update this great 6.1 ROM for the last time? :D

I would love to get the start animation at least ^^
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] epriel:
NRG:

IMHO - depends on what will the "maybe" update include?

If it is Manila 2.1 then I say

GO FOR IT

. This is worth while as there are many issues which are fixed, better, nicer and easier in this Manila.

Thanks for considering it!

EP
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] black_mobility:
You all are some die hard 6.1 users. Hopefully NRG will make an update soon but I am done advocating 6.5 in this thread. I wanted to spark some healthy discussion but it looks like 6.5 is not allowed in these parts...lol The 4/16 release was the first ROM that I ever flashed and I was amazed at the performance. So much so that I would always revert back to it after testing the early 6.5 builds.

Hopefully we'll see an update soon. NRG posted somthing in the warhawk thread about taking a new approach to his ROMS. He requested several beta testers to review his latests dishes and doesn't want to release anything until the dish has been taseted and approved. With that said, we might need to grab an apetizer until the main course is done! :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nik3r:
Hehe :) no hard feelings, I just stated flaws that make 6.1 more suitable for professional needs, while 6.5 is more flashy and suits a "portable media center" better. It really depends on everyone's usage habits and 3rd party apps/plugins the person in question uses.

I am currently flashing each and every radio out there and testing its performance for my area. See I am addicted to the flashing screen and this is my only option until there's an update :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] TheSopranos16:
$0.02

The only thing I'd really miss from 6.5 is the finger friendly menus and most importantly, the native 6.5 scrolling. I've never found Touch Scroll to be smooth at all. On the contacts menu, Touch Scroll refreshes the screen 1 contact at a time (never shows a 1/4 or half of a contact as the scrolling happens). This makes it appear much less smooth and also, it doesn't seam to have accurate inertia. 6.5 scrolling feels accurate like the iPhones. It does what I expect based on how fast I try to scroll and it slows down realistically. Its hard to describe and thats just one example, but from my experience Touch Scroll is awful and 6.5 scrolling "feels" fantastic.

The flipside is I definately remember getting better battery on 6.1 (its been a while since I've used it though). Also, while I find 6.5 to be stable, there are occasions where it seems to get "stuck." Switching windows or trying to open outlook to send a message can occasionally hang for a few seconds on 6.5 and then come back. I don't remember this many random slowdowns on 6.1.

Anyway we can get the better scrolling and menus on 6.1? I doubt it but never hurts to ask :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nik3r:
SPB Pocket Plus (only the base component is needed, you can uninstall or disable everything in settings)

Advanced Config

- TouchFlo high&low scrolling speed at 40 to 50

- pressure threshold 1

- finger pressure 6

it's still far from the smoothness of WM6.5 native scrolling and lacks the kinetic speed change but it's good enough for me ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] LarianVonLich:
where i can see screenshots of this ROM?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] LarianVonLich:
i want to download it, but i don't know what?

what is the different between

EnergyROM 2.0 41609.rar

EnergyROM 2.0 41609 Fuzeberry.rar

EnergyROM 2.0 41609 Fuzeberry MSVC.rar

EnergyROM 2.0 41609 MSVC.rar

aaand EnergyROM 2.0 41709.rar
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] black_mobility:
The XDA answer would be flash all of them and see for yourself or read the first few pages of the thread.....to make it easy on you....

Fuzeberry is a theme used to skin the appearance of the user interface. MSVC is Microsoft voice command, it's a program that allows you to speak a contacts name into your BT headset to trigger a call as opposed to using the keypad.

The 4/17 version has a few minor tweaks but is pretty much the same as the

4/16 release.

Happy flashing!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] black_mobility:
Have you really been using 4/16 since 4/16? Talk about dedicated! What radio have you found that works best for you?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] black_mobility:
Word to the wise, it's not cool to spam these threads. If you are patient, maybe someone will post a screen shot or two from their device.

The shots used to be there so maybe the chef is making some changes. Go for the gusto and flash it already! Just make sure you have hardspl already in tact.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nik3r:
Actually I think I was on vacation by that time so I flashed it on 28th when I got back but I knew it's out there and I couldn't wait nevertheless! :D

Since then I gave WM6.5 based energy ROMs a shot 3 times and most it lasted before I got back to my 041609 backup was 3 weeks.

As for the radio, you know that depends a lot on where you live so what I found out may not apply to you if you're outside central Europe. I tested all RAPH radios and if possible I used their rilphone.dll and the results were rather disturbing.

1.02 radios tend to work nice, don't consume much battery but the GPS reception was the weakest with long lock times.

1.08 was way better, battery reasonable, GPS lock average but the GPS sometimes couldn't achieve lock even with 8+ satelites until soft reset

1.12 my experience on these was similar to 1.02 just the battery seemed to die a bit faster

1.14 have good signal, best GPS lock times but it sucked my battery dry in little over 2 days in standby, when I used the rilphone.dll meant for this radio, it caused whole device to freeze after making 2nd call

That's about it, I gave up on RAPH radios for now, testing radios from blackstone and X1 (I have security unlocked raph!), currently on 1.16.25.48 and as far as I can tell the GPS reception is even better than RAPH 1.14.

Please note that you may have totally different experience with the radios in different location/ another carrier :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] epriel:
IMHO:

The Fuzeberry is a colorful "funky" theme.

The MSVC is WITH Microsoft's voice command.

To start with, I would suggest flashing the EnergyROM 2.0 41609.rar

EP
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sponge_worthy:
Does anyone know how I can get rid of the IDS_TOMORROW from my manila home screen? Is there a manila file I can edit? I thought it was a language problem, but everything on my phone should be in english.

Also, is there a way to move the date and alarm on/off indicator from below the time to up in the top curtain instead of the carrier? Where would I edit that in the manila?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] LarianVonLich:
whats is the difference? :confused:

i see EnergyROM 2.0 41709.rar and EnergyROM 2.0 41609.rar

mmm.. whats is the difference? :confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] epriel:
Minor changes. I personally found 41609 to be the outmost best 6.1 ROM ever released.

EP
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] epriel:
:confused:IDS_TOMORROW? I don't quite know what it is. Can you attach a screen capture?

Date / Alarm move? I don't think that thi is possible.

EP
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sponge_worthy:
Here is a screen capture. Sometimes I get a IDS_MULTIDAY event as well. Everything should be english so I don't know what is wrong.

Also, I thought I had seen some screen captures where people had the date in place of the carrier on the top curtain. I would also like to move the alarm indicator up there too to get more room on my screen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] farres:
go to regional settings and get the settings back to English and then SR
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sponge_worthy:
I tried this. In fact I set it too a different region all together and then set it back to US English and still the IDS_. So nobody else ever had this problem?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] epriel:
What time zone is your TP's clock set to? Is it the same time zone as the computer that generated the calendar's entrie? Not that this should matter, but...

Other than all that's been already suggested, all I can now suggest is running a HARD reset and then WITHOUT intalling ANY program or theme - synchronize your TP and see if the calendar entries have the IDS_

EP
[HTC Vox] didoop:
PLs i need to remake NeoRose rom to this sys ... pls its interesting and maybe fast
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
I am already porting this SYS/XIP. Until now, it doesn't seem much faster than 20282. Some things are faster though. I think HTC's weather panel is faster now and there are some updated apps in the ROM.
[HTC Vox] deuse:
So it may work on a s710?

I will try it when you have do it :)

are you going to keep the weather panel+apps?

thanks
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
Yes, I am keeping them! But right now, it's far from being perfect...
[HTC Vox] deuse:
Thanks for your hard work frauhottelmann

I am looking forward to this rom ;)
[HTC Vox] DziaboL:
i have question for frauhottelmann:

languages in this poll http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=492009&page=1 will be included on this ROM??
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
I don't know yet, because there is a lot of new software in the ROM and I don't have all of the updated MUIs yet (actually I don't have any of them...).
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
I am not making a Snap-based ROM, because it's not faster than the Rose ROM...

It's giving me more trouble than pleasure^^ so it's not really worth it!
[HTC Vox] deuse:
OK dude

looking forward to your next thing ;)
[HTC Vox] torrentonly:
frauhottelmann: I was expecting that. Because, to be honest, either Vox or Rose are really old in hardware page... Anyway, thanks for trying.
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
The Rose does not have old hardware...it's about the same as the Snap!
[HTC Vox] tobbbie:
...well the Display resolution (QVGA) is the same, the CPU spec is quite different:

Vox: Texas Instruments OMAP 850, 200 MHz

Snap: Qualcomm® MSM 7225™, 528 MHz

How these two benchmark in real life we will have to see...
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
I said the Rose doesn't have different hardware from the Snap...

The Vox is not the Rose...;)
[HTC Vox] tobbbie:
Oops - yes indeed, sorry for confusing this :-) I was mislead by torrentonly stating that "...either Vox or Rose are really old in hardware page" which is not true, but only Vox is "old" while Rose+Snap are similar and newer - but these will be "old" in a year's time as well...
[HTC Vox] torrentonly:
Oh, sorry. I had to misread Rose specs somewhere. Also, I had it in my hands and it was really slow (slower than custom Vox ROMs), so I thought, it has about a same specs as Vox or Wings.

Anyway, I still think that Vox is by far the best looking HTC smartphone :).
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
That is usually the problem with stock ROMs - they are slow^^
[HTC Vox] tobbbie:
Which is the recommended (widely used) method to test, document and compare the "speed" of a ROM? I mean it is the same WinCE core for all of them and the same HW, so speed should not much differ if the internal settings for the WinCe core are identical.
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
I might release a Snap ROM (full and Lite) some time this week! The 21040 SYS and XIP are actually quite good, but it won't be with PIE 6, it sucks on the Vox.

I figured some stuff out and it's pretty fast right now! I will see how good I can get it and I will let you all know!
[HTC Vox] tobbbie:
A few questions:

- Does it vibrate on boot (sigh..)?

- Will it be a multi-language ROM?

- How do you measure "speed"?
[HTC Vox] hashtowent:
great news :)

very very interested in this ;)
[HTC Vox] frauhottelmann:
-it does not vibrate when you turn it on, it vibrates when you turn it off!

-it will only be English, I tried to add more languages, but the *.mui files aren't compatible with the new SYS!

-by speed I mean it feels very fast (o objective benchmark or anything)

But several things make it faster. I included a couple of things that would usually use HTC Bootlauncher, which always made the device slower, but I didn't use Bootlauncher, I rewrote the reg-entries, so that these programs (weather and HTC Volume) would load as normal services!

The weather from the 21040 Snap ROM seems speedier than the Rose's weather adn it doesn't lock up the device any more (you know, the menus in explorer)!
[HTC Vox] tobbbie:
...sigh, well if it is only at truning off, there is hope a registry setting may get rid of that. Until I found a way to remove it these ROMs are no option for me - what a pity :-(

My old VDA V ROM is not vibrating and the only reason why I am still on that version (replaced the JVM and not use any of the Vodafone stuff anyway).

This allows me to do a nightly cleanup of the device including a reboot and still use it as alarm clock in the morning to wake up. Don't want boot-vibrate to spoil my dreams :-)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peterrus:
In case other people have the problem: Update to the latest version of ppckitchen!

Hello,

I was not satisfied with the current available rom's and decided to cook my own, I used the ppcgeeks kitchen to cook a 21042 wm6.1 rom and included quite some OEM packages. After building and flashing the ROM my device started, and got in the SPL (where you can see the radio/rom version). But it would not get past there. I tried flashing again (without sim and or memory card), hard resetting after flashing, and upgrading the hardspl to 3.59. All to no avail.

I thought it might be an issue with one of the OEM packages, so I started a new project in the kitchen and left everything to default and directly build the bare ROM. The problem still persists. I noticed the only carrier available as a choice in the kitchen was AT&T, I live in europe so this might cause a problem? (absolutely not sure about this, just poking around).

Some more details:

R: 1.70.19.09

G: 25.83.40.02H

D: 3.14.00.00

Luckily I can get in the bootloader and flash whatever I want and just go back to the stock ROM, but I rather want my own, so I was wondering, can anyone help me with this issue?

Thanks in advance, peterrus
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KMFM$:
Does the backlight dim or does it stay on constantly? If it dims, then you have an issue with your SYS or OEM. If It doesn't dim, then you have an issue with your XIP. Was the kitchen already ported to run on a Kaiser? Which kitchen did you use from ppcgeeks? A little more information will help figure out your issue.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peterrus:
It does dim indeed, so it seems I have an issue with my SYS or OEM, tell me more.

I used the latest version but I am not aware of any versionnumbers, this is the announcement post: http://www.ppckitchen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=650

I could get the versionnumber from the kitchen, but I just uninstalled to try an older version, and updating it takes about 2 hours.

The kitchen is said to be kaiser compatible

I see however that there are others experiencing the same issues. I am gonna try an older version of the kitchen and see what happens.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] KMFM$:
Test the older kitchen like you are already doing. I suggest creating a base build without any packages included, so you can verify that the base ROM is OK. This will help with the process of elimination. Now, you should also read any documentation with that kitchen to verify that the OEM folder is exclusively for the kaiser. The OEM folder contains device specific settings and drivers. So using an Elfin or Polaris OEM with you kaiser will cause lots of issues (mainly the one you're experiencing now, stuck at splash screen). Again, give the older kitchen a try and post how that goes and we'll go from there.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peterrus:
Using the old kitchen () I can not succesfully produce a working 21042 ROM.

Using the old kitchen I can produce a working 20931 ROM.

I have not tested the new kitchen yet. But when I find time for that I will post results.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peterrus:
So, using the new kitchen I also can not produce a working 21042 ROM, a 20931 ROM works fine though, so I think i'll just leave it like this.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] joshkoss:
Unzip and add

This to your sys and see if it helps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] peterrus:
The ppckitchen authors have pushed an update which seems to fix the issue, so josh: I haven't tried your fix yet because I prefer the official update over other solutions, but thanks anyway :) it seems I can now succesfully boot the rom.