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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
Thanx FS,

Yes, I see it now... 2.1.38147.5 duttys...

So, as I'm aware this is a general problem (with other ROMs too) and there's no fix yet (right?), which manila(s) _does_ work then?...

2.0 and earlier?

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ultimatepichu:
maybe I missed the announcement somewhere, but when is Dutty releasing his v3.5?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] wcchooi:
SMS bug

Manila 2.1, Dutty 3.4 XT

Re-producible SMS bug consistently.

Note: Use full phone number including + and country code.

Scenario 1

---

1. Go to All people, choose yourself (make a contact of yourself for testing, so you can verify it easily)

2. Go to the sms tab. (Make sure no sms in the sms tab).

3. Send a sms to yourself.

4. Result = Success

Sms Received = YES

- Checking the sms in the Winmo's Sent Items shows:-

(number) (time) (size)

(message)

The (number) is the full number including the + symbol.

This is where it gets interesting...

5. Go back to the contact's sms tab. You can see your previous sms in the tab. Send a 2nd sms to yourself again from here.

6. Result = Success (network notification, NOT request message delivery notification).

Message Received = NO

- Checking the sms in the Winmo's Sent Items shows:-

"" <(number)> (time) (size)

(message)

The name is "". The + sign in the (number) is not present when sending. Believe this caused the Sms NOT received problem.

Always the same result when I repeat this scenario.

Scenario 2

---

1. Go to All people, choose yourself

2. Go to the sms tab. (Make sure already have 1 sms sent to yourself, using the Winmo's way not Manilla). You will see the sms to yourself in the tab.

3. Type something to send to yourself again (2nd sms).

4. Send.

5. Result = Message delivered (network notification, NOT request message delivery notification).

Sms Received = NO

- Checking the sms in the Winmo's Sent Items shows:-

"(name)" <(number)> (time) (size)

(message)

The + sign in the (number) is not present when sending. Believe this caused the Sms NOT received problem.

Out of 3 times I repeat, 2 times's result is as above. 1 time, it landed into Draft, send failed.

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For people who didn't have this problem, I suppose they do not store their contacts with the + symbol followed by country code. Thus, the bug won't affect them.

For my case, if the + is removed, the number became invalid. Thus, lands in nowhere land...

Same result when you repeat the above but to some other contact (other than yourself...).

The + symbol always get removed...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
It seems to only affect V2.1 so 2.0 and earlier are fine
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Has been no announcement. Trying to fix issues with V3.4 so V3.5 is issue free to the best extent we can get it
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
Sorry, but ALL my contatct's phone numbers are stored using numberformat +CC xxxxxxxx and I don't have this problem...

I got an error once when I tried to send an SMS, but that one ended in the Inbox...

Otherwise, I've not had any problems using either winmo interface or manila...

I'm not saying that you haven't found your problem, just that it unfortunately is not the whole story...

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
I'm a little confused though!

This so called "manila", its the HTC GUI, right? The graphical front end thru which the user launches the relevant apps/module e.g. SMS, Contacts, Calendar etc, right?

In which case, what's the tie-in between the manila and the actual SMS/MMS app (e.g. ARCsoft?), say, or are they one and the same thing? And if not, then how can we tell the source of the bug, I mean, everybody seems to be blaming the new manila???...

(The ramblings of an ill-informed brain, apologies!)

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
I'll have a go at this.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Manila is the HTC GUI, yes, and it has modules like SMS, Contacts, Calendar, Weather etc.

In regards to SMS:

The Manila SMS module is what displays received SMS messages.

The default way to send a SMS as a reply to another received SMS is through the Manila SMS module.

You also have the regular windows mobile SMS application.

This is the application that starts when you press the new SMS button on the top right in the Manila SMS module, or when you press the "All Messages" softkey.

These two applications are two completely different applications, but they both use the same service within windows mobile operating system to send and receive SMS.

So this most likely means that when sending a SMS through Manila module fails, but not when using the regular application, there must be a bug in the Manila module.

This bug appeared in Manila v2.1.

MMS are sent using ArcSoft MMS application.

This is a third application that handles only MMS.

Manila SMS module acts as inbox for received messages here as well, but sending MMS is only through ArcSoft.

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
I'm also trying to sort this sms bug out from the x1 side of the fence..

what I don't understand is that it doesn't seem to effect everyone.. I can't duplicate it, so trying to solve it on my own device is a bit tricky.

What's been noted is that deleting all contacts/messages/logs etc (all pim data) and then synching it works okay..

using pim backup to restore contacts works until a softreset (I think this works, sometimes trying to get a straight answer is like herding cats ;) )
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
OK, good explaination, which I understand, although there's an implication that the manila SMS GUI/front in somehow "integrated" with the manila SMS app... As I see it.

Mind you, I still dont think this explains my earlier post were I still get message failure notifications, despite the message apparently being sent, when using WM SMS...

In any case, thanx for your input. Think I may look into a ROM with an older manila (<= 2.0?) to solve this issue for the time being.

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
Correct. The "problem" here (if I read you correctly) is that you see Manila GUI, Manila SMS GUI and Manila SMS App as different applications. They're one and same thing. Think different pages of same application.

I'm sorry. I didn't connect your post with the earlier post you made (#5856).

In your earlier post, you mentioned getting send errors "using the old manila". Did you mean WM SMS or Manila SMS prior to version 2.1?

If you get this error while sending the message from WM SMS, then I think you're having a different problem.

Afaik this specific SMS send error is only in Manila version 2.1. You could try Duttys v3.3 which has Manila v2.0, and see if that helps you.

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] amm009uk:
Opera connection

What ever I try Opera just won't connect with wifi or activesync.

IE, QuickGPS and weather update work fine though.

I'm on 3.3 but its been the same on 3.1, 3.2 and even 3.4....

Any ideas fellows:confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Owendavies:
Internet Search Bar

Hello,

I've searched through but can't find an answer...

I'm on Duttys v3.4XT, and on the internet tab (with the world icon) there is a search bar above it. Can this be removed?

Thanks.

Owen.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
anyone online? its all very quiet.

can you try a sms fix for manila?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3846721&postcount=620
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
I'll give it a try.

I copied the file to the windows directory but I also need to uninstall the SMS_Extension cab. I'll do it tomorrow, I'm falling asleep already.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
LOL, tell me about it.. :D

waiting to see any decent results, in work in 4 1/2 hours..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] milos797:
hello, how to make old start menu and program tab? I need help with this pleaaaase.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gaiden:
Dutty this rom is the best ever... i just had a vacation in Bali. and load Garmin gps map... inside a moving car i got a lock in less the 10 second. and it works veryyyy good. i know this is radio related but u compile it into a one great rom package and its very stable... thanks dutty
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ultimatepichu:
PC drain my battery?

oh yea, another issue. I'm not sure if it's just me or what, but I want to ask:

how come when I connected my HD to PC, it seems like it's draining power from my HD? As in, I plugged my phone with 82% into my computer, then like 10 mins later it became 70%???

I didn't tick the "when device is turned on, do not charge the battery hen connected to the PC" thingy.

Any help on this?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] wcchooi:
Maybe I didn't specifically mention which "sms tab".

Its the one with the graphical SEND button.

I don't have any sms issues in any other places (in regard to sending/replying sms).

Anyway, just wanted to inform how to replicate the issue and the results, since its pretty consistent even on my other friend's HD with Dutty 3.4 XT.

Another possible reason for people who don't have this issue, is that, their Telco's SMSC server is smart enough to fix the number in the back-end.

My telco is stupid ;)

I am just telling what I can see from the Winmo's Sent Items regarding to what happened to the phone number/name when replying in Scenario 1 and 2.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mugenkid:
i am using 3.3 right now i just discovered that my notifications doesnt have alarm sounds when it occurs it just turns on the screen but no alarm notification ... I already check in the settings and i have a sound for the notifications any help fixing this bug?

will "cRaCKwHoRe's Snooze Options.cab" fix this problem? is it a known bug? from dutty?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
can you try the fix I posted a couple of posts above yours please?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] scar88:
hey ive downloaded the fix but some how its started to work so im waiting for it to mess up again
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fantillon:
Ok, this might not be your answer, but you will have a starting point…

It once happened to me…. Checked notification settings (in events: reminder), but did not enable “event” in sounds Tab

From there also….

What type of file you are using for the alarm? (wav, mp3, etc) .wma is the one I’m using right now (others should work but don’t have that info),

Also attributes of the file can affect the situation (Check file properties and try attributes “read only” and “system” boxes checked)

File location… sometimes when you have them in your MSDcard (depending on the brand) you might have a issues.

Hope this helped….

I used 3.3 for a long time, changed all sounds and did not got any problem

Good luck

Hope this help….
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
Yup. Don't have any problems there...

That might just be it. Maybe my telco is "smarter"?

(Though there are lot's of people who would dispute that :) )

I believe you...

It is just weird that some people have this problem, and some don't.

There has to be a combination of issues that in the end results in this problem...

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
I usually use the second method since there's no need to mess with storage card.

Also there seems like some people has had problems with their cards after flashing the device with the card in.

I usually remove both storage card and sim card from phone, and flash from the PC (alternate method).

Since you have HSPL already on your device, the easiest is to use this method.

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] wcchooi:
It fixed sending sms to number without the +CC.

With +CC, it still fails. The + was stripped, thus causing an invalid number.

It can be sent to the network, but the recipient will never get the sms.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
OK, Royan,

I may well have confused things in my earlier post due to use of poor/inappropriate nomenclature i.e. "old" and "new" manila, but hey...

Thanks for the info re Dutty3.3 which I may very well give a try, as I do pretty much like 3.4 apart from this very annoying SMS bug.

Appreciate your input.

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] shurik_1:
cRaCKwHoRe,

the problem with this cab is the same as with 4 icons cab. They both have too much spcing between rows and the text overlaps icons. So it looks rather ugly.

I've been looking "4 icons plus 4 icon program launcher" thread anxiously when 3.4 came out but it seems dead now.

Unfortunately just enabling registry setting for programs tab results in a normally looking list but it is not functional.

EDIT: To summarize for me the new Manila breaks program tab and Manila Today Plugin but does notseem to bring any new useful finctionality.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
np.

good luck :)

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] emfung:
Start button and Opera flash support.

Hi, I have 2 problems with the 3.4 version.

When the Start Button is pressed, there is no "pressed effect/image" appear. The button remain as "not pressed" despite the start menu appears normally.

second, I thought the opera in this rom is supposed to have flash support for viewing youtube video. Correct me if I'm wrong.

By the way, is there a way to change the start menu background back from grey to black?

Thank you very much...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
No luck. The message remains in the Drafts folder and doesn't get sent.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tylkospokojnie:
Hi, How can I edit MMS settings? I mean mms size etc..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tylkospokojnie:
ok I found it
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] nikolah:
Would someone be kind enough to upload windows default blue theme,I replaced it with some other theme but I need it now. Tnx
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ilj:
Hey Fards,

I tested the file you supplied as well, no difference, the messages are still not being sent.

Thank you very much for trying, though :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
@ Fards - What exactly where you changing with manila file. Would be interested in having a look at what line of work or process you where using to see if I can assist you in getting it to work.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jasjamming:
hi all,

the beta team has isolated most common bugs in the v3.5 (and fixed most in v3.4) and once these are sorted hopefully dutty will release v3.5... its pretty fast..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] shurik_1:
there were also a few bugs introduced in v3.4. I just keep my fingers crossed that it will not follow Laurentius26 path who jumped around Rhodim and Topaz adding and removing features without actually taking care to freeze features at least once to fix bugs. Made me regret my small donation...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] poceh:
I'm interested are there any significant changes in manila v.2.1 compared to v2.0. Because the SMS issue appears only in latest version, also most of the manila tweaks (like the programs tab and 4 rows in All programs list) doesn't work with the new version.

If there aren't many advantages in 2.1, maybe you should consider switching to 2.0 for v3.5 of the ROM. It has proven already as reliable one.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Something we have been looking at to be honest, though I believe Throy is looking into a new updated package. But reverting back to V2.0 is a big possibility
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jasjamming:
yes the issue is only with manila 2.1, so if the changes arent drastic compared to 2.0 it worth rolling back to a stable version.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
At least then we would be rid of the stupid bluetooth disconnect popup :)

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] trinityb4:
Reverting back to v2.0 will be a great rom on v3.5:p

just hope the magic zooming function using the 4 keys at the bottom will apply for v3.5 extreme.:D

praying hard.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] shurik_1:
here is the partial solution to my own request. Icons are reasonably well aligned but no ideahow to align the text. So maybe reverting to Manila 2.0 would be the best solution.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] trinityb4:
reporting a bug

i ve found out that when sending mms the

To:XXXXXXXX@yahoo.com

subject:XXXX

when subject is written, mms is not working and it fails to sent.

and when i leave it blank, it sents.

pls check fallen, thanks.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] LoopyLoo:
Sounds like a good idea to me too!

I mean if Manila 2v0 is believed to be stable, and 2v1 isn't, whilst bringing no significant advantages, then why not roll back for Dutty 3v5?

Its all to easy to get carrried away with believing that newer software is going to be better - it isnt always!

LL
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Just sent 2 mms. One to number and one to:xxxxxxxxx@hotmail.com. Both received with no problems. However I have heard others saying mms is not implemented correctly
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tylkospokojnie:
Hi,

Could someone insert here main wallper from dutty 3.4 ? I installed all background tabs and lost it
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] josephlck:
Alarm

Using V3.4 MSVC version. It's been amazing so far but my alarm keeps going off at certain times.

For example, this morning, it went off at 9am even though all the alarms were off. I think the times it goes off at are dependent on either previous alarms or 'snooze' times (i use that quite often! :P)

Has anyone else noticed this? I've using just the standard alarm that came with the phone.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Patience please. We are still working on this.....and we also have families to work around...i.e. wives nagging that we spend to much time on the computer etc etc etc
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fwt:
I guess this will never and ... please be patience (this goes to all of us) and stop messing this Thread!!

I my opinion Dutty and his fabulous TEAM is trying everthing possible to make 3.5 as the "REAL final SHIP-Version"

So please please please BE PATIENCE!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mugenkid:
all of them are from dutty i havet touched any of the settings
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sutt359:
Thats simple get the wives cooking too exploitation starts at home hehehee
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sebastianmc:
I hope 3.5 doesnt have many bugs!!! and be the final wm6.1!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MTWIZARD:
Bluetooth notification

I am not sure this has been completely discussed and I have read all the posts. I am using Dutty 3.4 and have no issues or problems except for my lack of understanding the Disconnect notification about bluetooth. I use a stereo bluetooth headset, a Mono headset and three cars and any time I move from one device to the next I get multiple bluetooth notices which keep the screen on and will repeat many times. I can't find where to turn this feature Off. I had no issues when this feature didn't exist.

Thank you,

MTWIZARD
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
I think this is a "feature" of Manila 2.1.

afaik there's no way of turning it off....

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BLfan:
Is it normal that the weather animation runs twice when you access the day page of your calender. I do not recall this happening in v3.3?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
weather animation runs twice

This happen to a lot of people (if not all).

It seems to be another bug in Manila v2.1.

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MTWIZARD:
Bluetooth notification

Thanks Royan for the information

Dutty or Beta testers can you disable this function please.

Thank you,

MTWIZARD
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] epsilon8888:
Frankly speaking, I love it, if only it could play indefinitely till you exit the day view....It sooo cool and if it is a bug, then it is one cool bug right there:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Gisbourne:
I'm Loving It!

There's always a lot of negative feedback about stuff that doesn't work (which is necessary in the right context), but I thought I'd leave some positive feedback because I'm loving 3.4 :D

It's very stable and personally I am now getting the best battery life since I got the device (2-3 days). I have only had to soft reset the device once since flashing which is less than was needed with the original ROM!

At the risk of sounding a bit hypocritical I have had some issues with SMS, but since I followed a fellow forum member's suggestion to change the advanced network setting to send SMS via GSM only, it seems to have done the trick (fingers crossed).

Keep up the good work Dutty...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] fards:
I'm happy to discuss this in depth on msn or PM whichevers eaiest rather than filling up the thread.

But so far it's been a process of elimination. I've tried changing out the relevant dlls, to older versions that do work. that made no difference. I did initially suspect something wrong with either outlookenhancement or contactutility, but they made no difference.

I didn't however change the MUis but I don't think thatll change things.

so I'm working on the basis that this build of manila is the only other new thing that is the same across all the roms that are having the problem

the file I posted is the one lua script that has most calls to the sms and seems to handle the replies.

As i said the problem I've had is that I couldn't duplicate the problem, but then suddenly could.

this did fix it for me (and two others, but it appears only temporarily, which adds to my bafflement). I also dont understand where some of the claimed contact corruption is coming from..

anyway Ive just sold my x1.. so I'm back onto my old advantage for a day or two, (ooof it's slow).

Looking to buy a HD, may get a new one over the weekend, unless anyone has one for sale in the midlands (UK)

then I can start working on it again..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Shival:
Can not wait for V3.5

I want to go back to 6.1 for now until Dutty's 6.5 is more along. It works pretty well but I need something more solid and 3.5 is being hyped up to be amazing lol.

I just want notifications to work =/

Text should always be sent over GSM lol. It improves battery performance because GPRS involves data connection and blah blah it takes more power.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] makbil:
Yes, I confirm it does animate twice.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] akash_nu:
Have u noticed that if u don't use the phone much & keep it on standby, the battery usage is almost none, but as soon as u start using the device it chews the battery very rapidly...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Royan:
Yep.

I can have 10 hours with mostly standby with 0-1% drop and then after playing 10 minutes of music the battery drops 10%...

brgds

Royan
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] someguy53000:
Yeah have to admit thats what I've now discovered. Standby battery consumption is next to nothing. As soon as I actually played with opera for a bit of surfing when I was away at the weekend, not only did it seem to take battery at an alarming rate (even with screen brightness on minimum), but it also seemed to be running away fast afterwards. I resorted to soft reset after I'd used Opera to make sure my battery didn't flatten itself (dunno if it helped cos it still seemed to drop like nuts rather than not moving (I exhausted two backup plugin batteries in 2 days to keep it going!)).

On the manilla version thing, if 2.1 can't be made to behave, I'd love to be able to use the plugin tab thing so I'm another supporter of roll back if it comes to that.

Thanks Dutty and beta-team for your hard work trying to make this final. Its very much appreciated.