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[Touch HD General] shruff:
I've just seen unconfirmed pics of upcoming "fruit phone" and you fruit lovers are in for a surprise :D

This is frightfully ugly, lets just hope it is functional

based on the MacBook look apparently. heh heh.... looks a little like a door stopper wedge.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Why do you say it is ugly?

Remember that you need one and only one button to have the most logical user interface. We have so many hardware button and still don't think it's enough on winmo platform, so it's hard for anyone without iPhone experience to believe that one button is the best design.

I actually think it is very very good. Not that I believe the picture is real, but I'll be really happy to have the screen cover almost the whole face, because that reduces the size of the phone while maintaining the screen size. I notice the uneven thickness, and yes, that would not be nice, but may be that's because they're doing something special with the camera at the back, I don't know.

Thanks for sharing anyway. Where did not find this pic?
[Touch HD General] SpaceCrawler:
some questions

Hi all,

I think this is just a thread I was looking for.

I have a few questions about HTC touch HD possibilities compared to IPhone.

1. Is there a chance to unlock and answer the call in a different way, meaning that the screen will not be unlocked with incoming call? The reason is that I keep my HTC in a carrying case and I usually press few buttons when I`m taking it out. Iphone is not unlocked until you move your finger to answer the call...

2. Data connection not closing with applications! Whenever I use application that requres data connection (internet browser), the connections stays open even when I close the application. It gets very irritating to do this manually each time I use internet. Is there a way to fix it?

Thanks,

Space
[Touch HD General] Georgeous2008:
ad 1) Use S2U2, that will do the task.

ad 2) Use a registry tweak program (e.g. Shap's Advanced Config, HD Tweak) to set a time limit for an idle data connection (e.g. 2 minutes).
[Touch HD General] SpaceCrawler:
thank you very much.

I used the HD tweak and solved the idle data connection problem.

For lock/unlock I used pocket shield that did excellent job.
[Touch HD General] SpaceCrawler:
just one more question:

is there a way for a keyboard to autorotate in landscape when writing sms?
[Touch HD General] Georgeous2008:
Please create a separate topic for your questions, so that this topic stays clean of off-topics. Thanks. ;)
[Touch HD General] slixter:
I've had my Touch HD for a few days, after having an iphone since launch, and then the iphone 3G since launch.

The only thing I'm finding a big improvement with the HD is the ability to drag and drop movies, as it was a pain having to convert them to itunes format first. Standard 700MB files look excellent on the HD, but there is some issues with framerate dropping for a few seconds at a time, then picking back up again. I don't think i ever experienced this with the iphone.

The integration with itunes was also a major plus for me. The ability to click a button and have it update with my iphone with any new songs i had added in the last few days, dynamically update playlists etc etc. I'm sure this is probably possible on my HD but I'm not too keen on moving all my songs out of itunes and into WMP or whatever. Also, podcasts; not quite sure how to sync these with the HD yet or if i have to used different software. But I'm certain the experience won't be as smooth as it is with itunes.

Contacts on the HD seem a bit funny too. When setting up my phone I must have imported all contacts - i don't really want my MSN Messenger contacts in amongst all my phone contacts. I want them in MSN only. The whole phone / sms / contacts on WinMo seems really messy, once you get out of Touchflo WinMo just looks ugly. I've stopped checking email on the go because the interface is just so badly designed, inculding the Touchflo client

On the HD homesecreen I've got the clock, Call History, Voicemail and Calendar - I don't really need all these, I'd much rather have quicker access to email, text messages and call history. Still trying to work out if it's possible to change these. I tried various tweaks which involved disabling TouchFlo but the resulting homescreen I got just looked ugly with some text way oversized.

Also finding the screen difficult to get to grips with - I find it a lot harder to click on links in Opera - sometimes it's taking 3 or 4 presses to get it to go the next page, Safari was always much smoother. Zoom on the iphone is a lot more intuitive as well, I hate the way Opera zooms off to the left hands side and you end up looking at a blank page, then having to scroll across to the centre.

It's good to have an OS that is more flexible that OSX, although the iphone is limited in many ways, I still think the iphone does everything better than the HD. I'm feeling that if the new iphone has a similarly resolutioned screen as the HD, as well as 32GB or space then I might be moving back in a couple of months, and if Apple increased format support to cover avi, divx etc then it would be a no-brainer for me.

Whether MapleDouglas has used an iphone, i have no idea, but his analysis is way off. The iphone obviously isn't technically as advanced as the HD, but what it does it does way better than the HD. I'd rather have a phone that does 10 things perfectly rather than one that does 30 things haphazardly. And the HD just seems too much of a kludge of a whole bunch of seperate programs, Touchflo and the whole OS is badly integrated.
[Touch HD General] slixter:
I would take that with a pinch of salt. Remember when the iphone was first announce everything thought it would look like an ipod with a dialer? The new iphone is going to be a slightly improved version of the current one, or it's going to be a total redesign. Apple won't model it one of their laptops as that will just look cheap and lazy.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Hey Slixter,

You can already play avi anud divx etc without convesion now. See a few posts earlier for my reply.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] Xaddict:
Smash the Matrix and not your machine

I started using computers on a powermac in order to do video editing and found myself being subjected to arguments from PC nerds. I became a defensive Mac user and saw myself as a technical rebel. Microsoft was the matrix and Mac users were freedom fighters. My powermac edit system cost me $21,000. Now I have a hand built workstation that is 20 times faster and infinitely better than a powermac, for $2000, software for free courtesy of Adobe, Grass Valley and Avid.

Jobs started his career with a mission to put a computer in every home. Gates's mission statement was "Make them need you". Ironically, thanks to Bill Gates, there is now a computer in every room, in every home, and Apple are a corporation like any other that lures in the technically illiterate with slick marketing and funky colors. The first rule of marketing is, people buy on emotions, so make them feel they have made the right decison. Never mind giving the customer what they want, create a need and give them your product fix.

Well, a pox on both their houses. Here at XDA-devs, the chains are being broken, fire stolen and exquisite machines are in the hands of mankind.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Put your HTC'S on ebay and get an iphone.

http://live.gizmodo.com/

HTC HD is great but just cant compete.
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
The 'buy it now ' price is probably around $5 at this point. Goodbye HTC HD touch, goodnight Palm pre. I have been seeing people on this forum complaining about things the iPhone doesn't do and the HTC does. Well Most of that has changed. FWIW I gave my blackstone away about a month after having it realizing that it was junk. I see that many HTC HD users here will move from HTC than will migrate from an iPhone.

Liking that TomTom steaveeagle? I don't see how HTc can even be considered in the same league now. They have been sent back to the farm team and may perhaps be called back to the majors if their hitting percentage is not subpar.

Sorry to be obnoxious but I spent $800 on the HTC when it was first launched and I didn't see any value for money out of it. They make nice enough hardware but WM is their undoing.
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
??? What are you talking about. Right now the "new" iPhone "GS" is on the level of Windows Mobile 5.0. Multitasking? Editable Word or Excel Files? Task syncing (not sure about that)?

Instead you get a 3 MP cam? Come on. 3 MP? You find writing pens with 3 MP cams.

Have you ever tried to set a reminder to "snooze 10 minutes" on an iphone? YOU CANT.
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
Well if you like it that much you will be very shrewd to keep it instead of trying to sell it. I have had one before and I am aware of what it does and doesn't do.
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
;-)

In fact i will order an iphone 3gs tomorrow (because i get a very good contract) and compare it with my touch hd... I'll post my experience..
[Touch HD General] ryaninuk:
LOL I think that about says it all. Have fun with that 2 year contract.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Finally Tom Tom is available on the iPhone. As usual with every other applications I've seen so far, the iPhone version is expected to be far better than the winmo version. You can just ask for direction by speaking to it. Handsfree!

Now my only reason left for keeping my HD is removed. Anyone wants to buy my HD?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Still on multitasking and not knowing what jailbreaking can do?

Of course you can edit Excel files.

You can bet that the 3mp iPhone camera will be a better camera than HD's 5 mp but slow camera which also is next to useless in poor light condition.

If you don't like iCal, try Pocket Informant for iPhone.
[Touch HD General] Feromon:
Sorry Eagle! I have had Iphone from 1st edition to last 2nd one 3g - off course jailbroken etc. I like this gadget for many purposes. But multitasking is fake! You can use few little programs simultanously but the phone becomes useless at that moment very often. For that reason apple decided to discontinue the support of this feature in firmware 2.... because of unstability.

Maybe in next stable firmware it will come back with multitasking but unfortunately there are not sufficient ram. If TT f..k out at every back to springboard ... I will thank you!
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
iPhone is a joke even the new iPhone which is I heard only $99 now. Saw it on CNN
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
HI Feromon,

I don't know about what was offered by Apple before firmware 2. That's not what I was referring to.

Let me describe to you how multitasking and task switching is done in my case.

Before I jailbroke my phone, I had great frustration not being able to keep my eWallet open with my other applications such as internet banking, and be able to keep both open and switch back and forth between the two. In the stock firmware, only Apple's applications such as Safari, iPod, Phone, Mail are multitasked, and third party software are not allowed to multitask. So, after looking at eWallet's information I press home key to switch back and start an internet banking application, then eWallet exits rather than run in the background. So, if now I need to look at the next piece of information in eWallet again, I need to start eWallet from scratch, login to eWallet, navigate to the right place and look for the next information, then exit it to go back to my banking application. This was what you will experience with the stock firmware.

I address this problem w the Backgrounder application. In it, I first specifiy that I like to allow eWallet to be multitasked. Once that done, eWallet will not exit when you press the Home key. Instead, it will remain active but running in the background, just like the phone, email, and Safari. While in eWallet, if I like to switch to the banking application, I can long press the Home key to bring up a list of active programs and simply touch the internet banking application to switch to there. To go back to eWallet, which is still running in the background, I long press the Home button again to bring up the active program list and touch eWallet. See below:

BTW, long press on my Home key from anywhere always brings up the list of applications being multitasked. To hide this active task list, press Home key.

To terminate a running program, simply swipe from left to right or right to left on the task, then touch quit to confirm. See below.

Do I need to first pre-specify that an application is to be multitasked before it can behave in that way? No. For such application, you simply do a long press rather than short press to keep it running in the background.

Of course, the number of tasks that could be running simultaneously is subject to the memory limitation. When low in memory, it will kick out one or more running task to give room to the new program. I can also run a memory cleaning program to reclaim more memory first before I start a large program. In this note, I'm glad to see the larger RAM offered by iPhone 3GS.

It does everything that I want it to do. I like the task switching far more than Wktask or the HTC task manager.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
it is still just an Iphone steve and not the great touch hd. You can dress it anyway you like an put lipstick on it but it is still just an iphone
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
I dont think anybody would want to buy your hd knowing you have lots of problem with it. Clearly its a defective unit!

tomtom and you already wet your pants steve? I have tomtom iGuidance and destinator on my hd and its no big deal to me
[Touch HD General] Decentboi:
HTC sucks because they are using Qualcomm imo.

Further more they refuse to pay the license for using the 3D drivers?

IPhone does look interesting now, given the new model and the price slash.

However i'm going to give HTC a last chance.

That is Nvidia Tegra - HTC collaboration.

Hope HTC wake up that bloody idea and give us a power phone soon!
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
You have great ability to understand and digest information accurately my friend. Wonder if it is because your mind choses to twist any iPhone related information coming your way. A narrow mind will always limit one's ability to see things objectively.

$99 is only for the old 8GB iPhone and only to AT&T's "qualified customers". Not the new one like you mention. Also, it comes with a contract so is heavily subsidised.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
For anyone interested in a quick demo of what the new iPhone 3GS is like, here is a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4aQpczZC00

Pay attention to the SPEED and HOW functionalities are implemented rather than WHAT functinoalities they are. Sure, these features have been there for years in winmo, but unfortunately, they HOW of the implementations is too far behind iPhone's, hence not able to give the same fantastic user experience iPHone gives.

Enjoy.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
No sir, no defect at all. Soon after I bought my HD, I made several recommendations to friends and they bought it too, and I see the same issues on their phones. Mine does not have as much of problems as theirs because they use stock ROMs without the hot fixes whereas I know how to tweak the device quite well.

To be fair, I did'nt see those as "problems" and simply accepted them as okay, until I switched over to iPhone.
[Touch HD General] PoisonWolf:
Guys,

I believe it is time to close this thread, I don't see any point in it further. It has boiled down to Steve trying to whore the iPhone to others, in a

HTC Touch HD

forum.

Very soon, it'll turn into, my phone is better than your phone, or my phone has a longer antenna than your phone, or your phone has a slot the size of a microSD card! :rolleyes:

Cheers.

P.S. Steve, learn to use the EDIT button.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I didn't start a single iPhone thread mate. If you do not wish to participate in this thread, don't. If you do, be curteous and put forth your viewpoints supported with facts. Let this be an information sharing thread, not name calling school yard peeing competition.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
I really hope the people reading step up and say when they sell there HTC and get an iphone like I did. Wow i was such an idiot to think that my HD, and Omnia were actually better, there not even close to where the iphone is. The iphone is soo far ahead its not even funny. Palm Pre comes out a few days ago and iphone 3.0 comes out 2 weeks late along with a new iphone, what bad timing for palm pre.....
[Touch HD General] PoisonWolf:
Steve,

There is a big difference between facts, and just downright biasedness/whoring/fanboyism,

Speak for yourself. Your mind is anything but straight, I can put a wager on that. For example, I use Windows, I use Mac OSX, I've messed with an iPod Touch, iPhone, etc. I can see the plus sides of Apple's crisp and simple products, yet I can see and appreciate the flexibility with Microsoft's software. Do you see me telling you right now, that one trumps the other completely? No, they all have their own benefits and it is up to you as a consumer to pick what would fit you. Only a blinded fool of a consumer would think that one product is truly, 100% better than another product. In this time and age, you go with what gives you the most bang for your buck based on what you're looking for. It's really as simple as that.

Do you have solid facts that in every instance, an Apple app trumps over the WinMo version (or is expected to trump), or is that your straight-minded opinion?

Notice how in most comparisons against the Touch HD, you seem to have an addiction to adding clauses which almost certainly, and definitely

"equalizes"

the comparison between the two phones.

And you think the weaknesses of WinMo cannot be solved through external circumstances?

It's rather humorous to read how you mention the down-points of the iPhone only to finish it off with a "however, it's still the best phone in the market!" statement. It's like a salesperson going, "This car is has its downsides, the rotors are bad, it has about 500000 miles on it, the engine is cranky, the sparkplug is temperamental, but hey, despite all these problems, this used car is one amazing ride!"

...

You see where I'm going with this? Initially, your posts were informative, but they've now regressed into essentially, fanboyism. I do not disagree that the iPhone is an amazing phone in its own right, but when you're consistently in this thread trying to whore it to other people's faces, it was only a matter of time before somebody would have told you that you were turning into an Phone-Pimp, and voila, that somebody person is now me.

Do you even see the Topic-Creator replying to this thread anymore?

There is a difference between "my experience with the iPhone", and "Oh-my-gosh, the iPhone is better in every single way!"

And quite literally, no one cares that you love your iPhone to death. I'm happy that you found a device that matches your need, but there is simply no need to keep shoving it in our faces and reminding us with your fanboyism that the iPhone is some sort of god among phones.

Good day.
[Touch HD General] slixter:
I don't know if not being able to change the snooze function from 9 minutes to 10 minutes is a major deal-breaker for you, it certainly isn't for me.

I don't know how important 'true' multi-tasking is on a mobile device. On the iphone I can be browsing the web, with a song in the background, my email being checked constantly, downloading some podcasts or apps from the appstore. And that's before jailbreaking.

WinMo is the ugliest mobile OS I have ever used. I can't believe this software is such a clusterfuck after 6 revisions, and in 2009.

My iphone was a pleasure to use - now I have a Touch HD and I don't want to check my email cos the interface is so ugly, the whole contacts / phone / sms interface is a clusterfuck, the 2 main web browsers work like ****, getting 3rd party apps on it is tiresome.

I expected to come over to WinMo and realise how outdated the iphone is compared to this. Hardly.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Slixter, now its time to come back to the iphone. We will accept you back.;)
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
Yeah Steve and My name is Brad Pitt. Everything that comes out of your mouth is B.S.

iPhone 3G came out and all fanboys rejoiced thinking that the greatest phone ever built has arrived. tomtom for Iphone has been announced and all fanboy think that it is the greatest invention since the wheel. Cut and paste for iPhone has finally arrived and fanboys think that all other OS are obsolete. Who is narrow minded here steve?

iPhone has been playing catchup as soon as it came out and fanboys think its the ****!

If iPhone was a cult there will be no shortage of members because there are tons of suckers out there like you. I bet you will be the first inline.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
You must be a comedian steve. You make people laugh!
[Touch HD General] maati:
My experience is the exact opposite! I've switched (back) to Windows Mobile and it's such a great relief to be able to switch between running apps, download things from the internet and move them around between the phone and the computer, being able to control the phone with my voice (I know, Apple copied that for the 3GS....), have a camera that takes good pictures at least in daylight, have useful navigation software and much more...

The iPhone is so outdated compared to any Windows Phone.... I'm not going to get one again, I'm waiting for the Samsung Omnia II which should be announced next week and make the iPhone 3GS look old again....
[Touch HD General] Dalboy:
Add another tier, problem solved. You could do it on both CE and IPhone.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Very good Dalboy. This is fantastic news. You've really tried both devices with success ? What do you need to do on the CE and Iphone side to display that Java chart? Keep the good stuffs coming!
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
I have read on several iPhone forums that you CANT SNOOZE AN APPOINTMENT ALARM AT ALL. If that is true it is really a deal-breaker for a business user. I would be very interested if you could tell me that this is not true... you have an iPhone, dont you?

Well as a business user sometimes i have to EDIT an excel sheet while running word or email in background.

Well if you are all about design.... you are completely right. But I need function! And I can change almost every design aspect if i want to.
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
very good points. We certainly do agree, that it would be great to have the best of the two worlds. But this will not be possible by definition. The Apple way is: They think about how things can be done best. They decide that you dont need something and do it that way. So you have one way of doing one thing. No options. Thus things are easily done. But... you have no choice. Steve has choosen for you.

E.g.: An appointment is an appointment. You have to be there at 1 pm and not later. If you have set an alarm 15 minutes before.... you cant snooze it on iPhone. Of course... you should be there at 1 p.m.. In steves mind, there is no use in snoozing the alarm.

I use the appointment alarms also for telefone calls. For instance I have to call a client at 1 p.m. than i set an alarm. sometimes i need to snooze it. on an iphone i cant.

well, says Steve, that is not an appointment, it is a task.

you cant sync tasks with exchange on an iphone. (and as far as i know you only can set a date not a time for a task either).

In the MS world things can be done in many ways. you can and have to decide HOW you want to do something. That makes things much more complicated. But many things are configurable.