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[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] greemme:
patience....

I feel that it is generally a good thing that there are more cooks, and more people willing to learn and eventually share their creations. Everyone needs to start somewhere...

Discouraging cooks from releasing their imperfect or unfinished work could serve to kill their enthusiasm and belief that they will eventually get things right. By releasing their work, getting more feedback (or kind help) is maybe one of the better ways to continue learning?

I tend to agree that the process will sort itself out, ie., with time, people will feel their way around the many ROMs, and eventually the better ROMs / cooks will show. There is no real need to discourage cooks from releasing their work.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] tjex:
EXACTLY! And people forget that the true purpose of xda is to develop and help each other create things by creating your own rom, posting it and getting feedback. That's how people learn, otherwise if you create something and never show it, how will you know where you messed up.

This isn't a place to download only 'good' roms, this whole thread shouldn't even have been created in the first place.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] d0ubl3_d1zzl3:
No, I agree with the chefs, the OP (good thread) and mostly everyone here. People can learn A LOT by simply reading and searching the threads. I've been here for years and built only 1 ROM (which I never released), but it worked very well for me, until newer base ROMs came out and I couldn't keep up. Fortunately, other people do, but I only use the ones from people that maintain and constantly keep improving their ROMs. And there's very few that can do that. The forum is getting cluttered with all these ROM releases, when they're all basically the same thing. And the chefs that are also mods, have to spend more time cleaning up this place than working on their ROMs.

Yes, everyone should at least try to build their own ROM once to know how much time these guys put into making a ROM to cater to the masses. But, instead of 'wasting' the experienced members time with questions about your basic cookie-cutter ROMs, why don't you help out in squashing bugs and helping with research? Or at least be patient and wait until the chef can work on it again and release the ROM when it's ready.

That's why I prefer Jack's ROMs over anyone else's right now, but Itje get's mad props, too, because he always works with what's new and just released, so of course, it's going to be less stable. But in the end his work and fixes are later used by others. The same thing happens in all the other sections of this forum. And that's what I think has made XDA-Developers the place it is now...

</end of rant>
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jackleung:
I think you totally miss the point here. Re-read the thread before you jump into the middle w/ your conclusion. We are not discourage new cooks here, but "me too" cooks that rush out unfinished or buggy rom.

With the help of easy to use kitchen, we saw new "cooks" with ridiculous question like how to remove calculator, and I got PM(not sure if others get it too) since no one border to answer this simple question. It's not we are not helping. I do help a lot (and I am sure Itje help a LOT MORE since he's is the star here :p) of new cooks that shows he did some homework and research. Some good example are cHarOn99, norti, YYYY and smaberg (sorry if I miss any of you here) and we sometime get knowledge transfer from them as well. It's an Give & Take win-win environment but Ikea cooks tend to get only, and bug the forum with very basic questions (since their lack of knowledge), or questions that answered million times already.

It's true this place is not only for 'good' roms. My roms (so do others) have bugs too in the initial phase. But I will make sure I tested the basic feature I am aware of before release any of it. And I will try to make sure all the major issue got fixed before I move on with another release.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] tjex:
I'm sorry but I still disagree, it's not our place to decide what's good enough to make it on the board. If people are asking question then that's good, they are learning, nothing is forcing you to answer.

Besides I said it before, a bad rom wont last on the first page for too long due to lack of interest. The top rom's are always easily found because they are popular. The forum 'cleanses' itself quite nicely.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] cHarOn99:
Well said jackleung, for me it was important to start cooking, because noone cames up with an stable german rom with some little customizations and optimization.

So i start reading, i made my own kitchen with some modifications, then i build around 100-200 roms and did long time testing on it, made on every rombuild an little step forward, i also asked jackleung and also itje, if i am totally frustrated :D, but wasnt that often, because 99% you can find here on XDA. After that i released my first rom where i know that there wont be many issues and thats it.

Anyway i agree that new cooks are welcome, but i also dont like it, that some are just take an kitchen then press build and then release it :(, that should not be the way to go.

for me itje is the biggest supporter for us, because he gets all the new stuff and also give it out to us other cooks if he gets the ok, he builds new roms which is amazing, he shows what is makeable for the X1 and i think if WM6.5 gets stable then he will be the first to release an really good rom based on 6.5.

jackleung is different to itje, he works to get it bugfree and totally stable which i really like, normaly i would use his roms :( but they are not german :D so thats the reason why i work for my roms, i want stable roms without bugs in german.

So maybe wrong place, but i wanna thank again itje and jackleung, because you are the two who make the X1 section great :D, also the other good cooks have my thx.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] d0ubl3_d1zzl3:
Message for ^^ (Jack) ^^

I know I just posted that we should be patient and not bug the chefs, but.. :D

When can we expect an update to your V3.x ROMs, Jack? I know it's small bugs, with simple solutions, but experimenting with my registry and a few apps, I introduced new bugs to the ROM (not your fault), and I don't want to hard reset or flash if I know a release is about to drop...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jackleung:
Did you read? It's because except

questions that get answered many times

in the forum, we got loads of PM in our inbox as well. This is

not

learning but taking if they are not doing their homework to research.

d0ubl3_d1zzl3, it ready when it's ready. ;p And I am awaiting someone to test videocall for me since I can't verify it w/ AT&T
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] gtrab:
AMEN

...

:rolleyes:
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] tjex:
I did read your post, no need to get pissy about it. You're describing something else now and I still don't see why you can't just delete the PM's if they bother you so much. Besides, with our without them releasing rom's on this forum, it wont stop the questions from coming your way anyways. Your biggest issue and correct me if I'm wrong is having too many new people wanting to ask you the same questions or things they can answer themselves if they researched it a little. (And yes, if you really want to get technical, part of learning IS asking questions, now whether or not those questions are deemed stupid, depends on you)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jackleung:
Well, speak is always easier than action. Of course you won't feel annoyed since you are not the one who flooded w/ pm (maybe you will if you get flooded someday). I do since I still have to open them in order to figure out if the msg is useful or not. And people tend to ask without doing homework will never learn since all they need is others to babysit them all the time.

I will stop w/ you here.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] fards:
But tjex, you're missing the point a bit I think.. it's not about new chefs per se, that really is great to see. It's pretty pointless to release 10 roms, with barely no difference between them, all using the same kitchen to create them.

Now if they brought new approaches, and new ways of doing stuff, or even new features then that would be great, unfortunately they aren't doing that.

I said earlier that jerpeleas kitchen and others like it do allow people to make their own roms very easily and that's perfect to learn with, it's also great to be able to come up with something that suits the cook well when others roms don't.

But like most things in life it's often better to not go public till you're really ready to create a masterpiece then release a stream of paint by numbers attempts, that are the same as everyone elses without any real skill behind them..

what would be great is releasing some language variations...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
But maybe let the new cooks some time to find their "cooking-style".

what i mean is that every cook will start with a lite version because its the easiest one...

but then there will follow maybe a medium one or something with software included... and i think its great to have 20 roms with different apps in it to decide which one fits best to your purposes.

Of Course i know that asking hundreds of questions is not the right way... i never wrote a pm to one of the great cooks here.

But we all have to learn and I research many things on google but i didnt find very good tutorials so i started to cook without that much knowledge...

but with all the feedback we get we learn and get better...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] k2c:
well, you are right here... I'dd say release when the "style" is found. No ofence at all here but if the cook says "you tube is hard to gettin running " and 99 % of the community got it runnig then is something strange.Maybe is it hard to get to run :eek: but as a cook you'll provide cabs,solutions whatever if you know how your rom works.

I was about to start this topic yesterday , but was a bit scared ppl will feel offended with it.

As last ,once again, No ofence to anyone, its great ppl are bussy in the kitchens and alot of the comunity is looking forward to it. Finaly is everyone his own decision what rom they wil use.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] m@rco:
Just something funny to ease up the discussion:D

The XDA Guide uses a system of symbols to identify the best cooks within each comfort and category. For cooks, XDA stars are based on five criteria:

The quality of the products

The mastery of flavor and cooking

The "personality" of the cuisine

The value for the download

The consistency between visits

XDA stars are awarded to cooks offering the finest cooking, regardless of cuisine style.

Stars represent only what is in the rom.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] FalkenX:
LOLLLLL a system like this (awarded by the moderators) would be quality! :D
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
i just tried not to promise to much.... if I would say" Youtube, no problem" and then i cant get it running that would be more embarassing than saying first "its difficult" and then get it working...

I dont know if it will work in my rom but i know there are some problems with it on 6.5 devices...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] AF241:
I like to see new roms but at the same time I dont want the forum to be clattered with similar roms. I think we sould start a sticky for new cooks where every beginner cook can upload their rom. This way trainee chefs can share their work and depending on demand and popularity can start their own thread later on.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] fards:
yup, that sounds like a sensible idea to me..
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] SquidgyB:
That is a good idea.

I think the newer ROM chefs will benefit from releasing their roms to the public more than they would from a kind of closed approach where they only start releasing ROMs once they're relatively well versed in cooking them. Just because of the amount of people who will be trying the roms, pointing out problems and bugs, that will help them to learn quickly, probably much quicker than if they were testing their own ROMs.

Just my 2p.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Typako:
Not much more to be said. I think that itje's, jack's and other people's opinion "not rush it out ..." concept is simply wise and well said.

However, it might be worth making it a bit more objective, so I am "releasing" my little "release it or not ..." guide. All you have to do is answer honestly to yourself the following questions:

1. Does my ROM really have any added value over and above the features already offered by the kitchen itself or by other similar ROMs?

2. Have I personally tested ALL the functions of the ROM (not only the basics) for at least 1 week of normal use?

3. Have I completeley understood all the steps I have taken while cooking?

4. Am I able to answer simple questions and provide some minimum level of support to others that will use my ROM?

5. Do I have enough knowledge, time and will to fix any bugs, even if they are in areas I don't personally use / bother?

6. .... Please feel free to complete my little guide

If you can answer "YES" to all the above, then go on ... relaease and share your work. :D If not, ok, cool, do some more homewrok and try again later :cool:

Personally, I have made a couple of cooking attempts, but my score is still 0/5, so I will not release aything for a long time.

This is just my personal 2c opinion. Please don't jump on me if you disagree. Just keep your own.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
but thats difficult to keep clear?

I can start this Thread if its ok for you all...

My Idea is to post all the DL links in the first post (my post then...) and a link to the post of the cooks for information and so on...

is it OK?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
Thread started...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3629911#post3629911

Will keep it up to date ;)

@all Chefs: PM me than i put your rom into this collection...

but where should we post feedback than... all in this thread is not good. very difficult to get information out of comments about 6 different roms...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ratcom:
Well said, Ive been cooking since the Wizard days but have only ever released 1 rom which was requested for by members at the time because it was a stripped down version not available. I have never considered releasing anything since because I dont INNOVATE, I just change things around for my personal taste. That said I dont see any real reason for people not to post there rom but how many people will really use it?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] flext:
i let my girlfriend do all the cooking
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] derliebewolf:
Guys, today I saw what you were talking about. just oneday off and my ROM Thread is number 30 or so in the list...

I know, I did my first ROM as well but the feedback I got somehow proved me right...But to be honest I did more than just clicking the BuildOS.bat und upload. I never asked any of the chefs...not via PM, not via posting...I learned a lot and it was easy to do so...but now everyone just clicks the button and releases 3WM6.1 ROMs and a WM6.5 ROM...let four people do that and our beloved forum is full of identical systems... I know, everthing was mentioned before...just my oppinion.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
you are like me with one difference. I start to cook my own Rom now. You cook your roms since 3-4 months?!

Please give us Youngsters a Chance to get better...

btw. please dont say we only hit BuildOS Button... I modified my 6.5 Rom and didnt use the build OS app... (it dont work :P)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jackleung:
It's a good start. Maybe you should reserve more posts in the first page. Then you can order of the posts the first page like this for learning/knowledge sharing.

#1: Links to posts of new cook (per cook maybe)

#2: unresolve common problems (for joined effort to resolve it, experienced cook can jumps in if they know the solution)

#3: resolved problems and solutions

A mini version is like the this although I am lazy to update it now.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
okay...

reserved the next 2 posts...

So thats a good Start..

can itje or another mod delete the topics of those people, that are present in the collection thread?

(so far thats only my thread :P)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] derliebewolf:
I am a youngster as well...I published the ROM about 4-6 Weeks agou. Just before the recent "wave" of new roms/coocks :)

Regarding the BuildOS/BuildNB.bat: I was exagerating, to be honest...

Ok, lets see, where this all will lead to. Btw: this thread is a good read for everyone!
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
Today I've learned how to handle with xml files (understand, write my own, etc) and how to costumize the menu just because i tried to seperate my rom from the others ^^

This Thread encouraged me to learn more before releasing my rom :)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] reborg:
Guys who think it's ok if everyone posts what they have cooked, consider these things:

1. Don't take other peoples work and re-release it as your own. Most won't mind if you use it for personal ROMs and use it yourself without releasing.

2. Get a few people onboard to help you out, ideally other new people so they can learn too. It doesn't mean that everybody has to cook, or even learn how cooking works. itje has often referred to his BETA team, you should have one too. It's a waste of time and effort for people to flash with a ROM that doesn't even have basic things working, the beta team will find the more critical bugs before you even go near the wider public. One bad experience will make people shy away from anything you release later.

If you don't have enough pride in your work to provide something that works and is complete then don't bother posting it at all. Fundamentally broken ROMs are a negative contribution.

3. Read the error reports in other peoples ROM threads. In a lot of cases there are generic problems and you might find that someone else has found a solution, if so fix the same fault in your own ROM.

4. Don't abuse the contact details of other chefs/cooks or helpful members for help.

- Search the forums first [ not just the xperia ones ]

- Ask Google

- Ask your questions in the open forum if you don't find an answer, the next person who searches will then be able to find an answer.

5. Do something different. If it looks like something else most people will use the work of an established chef instead and as a result it becomes a low value contribution.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] shingers5:
i have no intention of cooking a rom as there are enough good cooks out there for both my devices - Miri for my touch HD and Jack for my x1. however like i stated previously it iz all about choice, freedom of choice that we have been blessed with. choice to cook roms and choice to use them. you can tell, well i can if a rom is any god by the 1st thread. thats gives me an idea of the effort and time that has gone into creating and most important testing that rom prior to release. if we choose not to use the new roms being released they will soon fizzle out. however the new cooks need some form of guidance to produce good work, not just trial and error. we have enough good chefs now to provide enough good guidance for the newbies. i know that most of the chefs are really busy but maybe put something in place where anyone looking to cook can find guidance with making there own stuff

thats my opinion. if ya dont agree............ dont reply
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
hm.. thats maybe the funniest comment I've read the last few weeks :D

a discussion needs someone to react with another opinion than yours.

Would be boring if all repliers here have the same perception XD
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] shingers5:
dont mind constructive replies but some catz on here just wanna argue. not on here for that so i nip it in the bud mate, prevention and all that! dont mind who replies just don't wanna be chatting to no foolz! this is a good topic and i like what you doing with that thread for new cooks. maybe all the chefs can start a thread where they give guidance to new cooks when they can. ' how to build your 1st rom' - its only an idea
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] fards:
it's been done before... on the HD forum, it was really good thread.

I've linked to it before....

it was ignored before...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] derliebewolf:
More ROMs to come... again it just looks like uildNB.bat was pressed and th ewhole thing uploaded...nothing more. But qho am i to complain or even judge???
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
I already posted a comment on this new great rom ^^

hm.. maybe a mod can delete all those newbie rom threads (inclusive mine) and write them a PM with information ;) they can send their rom to me so i'll put it in the newbie thread... maybe it should be sticky then
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] shingers5:
see what you mean man. doesn't look like any testing was done at all. now that is annoying considering the amount of info available out there
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] shingers5:
see what you mean. its all out there but some people can't be bothered looking.............. or searching! no probz in cooking but ya must master the recipe before cooking for others! test prior to release i think is key and be damn sure you can rectify bugs reported
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] fards:
yep, that's the general thrust of this thread..

We all know that we'll never get a truly bug free rom, as there's so many variations of people uses and desires and 3rd party software, but we can try at least to get them as close as possible to somewhere that 99% of users are happy..
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] gtrab:
:cool:

You're right fads, xda-developers is a free encyclopedia, thus, IMHO, the big ammount of new ROMs is an unrrefutable proof of it's success

Of course there are different "cheff" levels:

* beginners

* intermediate

* masters

Not everyone is XIP porting, mixing up packages, reg-tweaking or Hex-editing nbhs, but at least xda-devs has succeeded as a FREE ENCYCLOPEDIA

It's great to see more and more people SHARE their findings, knowledge, tips and tricks, experiences...

Freedom of speech mates: let them cook, but let's keep the basic rules clear and fair

READ, SEARCH, LEARN, COOK, TRY !!!, SHARE

GRATEFULNES AND WILLING TO HELP

XDA-DEVS RULLEZ
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Kid_DC:
hm.. no one cares which rom there are in the newbie thread... i cant understand it because my rom has 32% Ram Usage only and its very lite.

But no one download it, flash it or give feedback...

I think I'll keep my old Thread alive
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] grayme:
It seems to me that the real issue is not the number of ROMs but the PMs to the developers?

Don't respond to the ROM threads if you feel they are worthless and as said before, they drop into obscurity.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ianl8888:
Yes !! Accurate summary
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jerpelea:
this is what bothers us most

YOU CAN JUDGE THIS YOURSELF
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jibran:
mate not being an ass or anything i dnt think that newbiew thread is a good idea,if you develop a good rom which has more features,customization and stability than others and you keep on updating your stuff, then people will definetly download your rom,give u feedback and support you may be throw you a beer here and there.

if you just make a simple rom which has nothing in it and is identical to others then ofcourse no one will download your rom.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jerpelea:
low memory usage or increased space is useless if rom runs slow and does not have any software in it

with new preload function memory usage increased 20mb but all programs load in 1 sec (opera was starting in 5-7) so dont hunt low memory usage

if you do something realy important others will download your rom

br