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[Touch HD General] shruff:
This thread has gone on for long enough, it has nothing to do with Blackstone I for one feel compelled to read it for some strange reason and hope that others who feel like me dont believe a thing these iphone fanboys are saying. Its quite sad that they go on and on about a device that has nothing to do with WM or the actual device thread itself!

The fact is that this kind of thread wont get attention anywhere else, including the iphone forums because even the iphone freaks arnt this obsessed about talking bull**** on and on. Perhaps we should mosey on over to iphone forums especially the one linked in a certain signiture and bombard it with all the bollocks that these dills preach about. Here's the link.

I vote this thread is moved to "Off Topic" !then they can cause less friction in a place no-one ever visits :D If others feel the same then I shall go to mod and ask for the thread to be moved.

since this topic started by a so called junior member yet supported by "senior" member did they forget to read the forum rules?

As a rule of thumb, let’s try to maintain the following structure:

Blackstone

(General talk. Post general issues related to Blackstone, software, skins, fixes, tips, tricks, OS issues, etc.)

Blackstone ROM development

(Specific talk. Post issues related to upgrading only, Utilities, HardSPL, Radios, unbricking, etc.)

Blackstone accessories

(Specific talk. Post issues related to accessories only, SD Cards, headsets, remote, etc.)
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I did not say hate, i said dislike, their's a huge difference. I suggest you read what i am saying instead of putting words in my mouth.

And please do not comment on other peoples spelling and grammer like you just did with Slothie. Whats a "spoilt brad"? My names not Brad, nor am i spoilt.

Where have a defended the HD? I haven't. All i've said is apple and the iphone are not the perfect company and product you describe them to be.

I dont think people who use apple products are a cult. I think people who defent apple and their products even when they have problems and can not see these problems and believe apple to be perfect are cultish.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I agree. But i don't think this thread should be moved, just closed. Maybe xda should have a special forum iPhone forum, oh no wait, this is a windows mobile forum, not an iphone forum *hint* eaglesteve *hint*
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
So, which aspect of the product's problem do you think I'm not seeing?

Do you have any evidence that I did not mention the strength of HD?

Do you have any evidence that I have not mentioned any weakness of iPhone?

Would you eat your word about me being a cultish if I point to you my posts that prove you wrong?

This thread degenerates because of people like you. Not because it discusses iPhone. In many respectable winmo sites, matured people are able to discuss these issues rationally and objectively rather than emotionally.
[Touch HD General] suisen:
no, we're not :/

your blazing review of Apple customer care was uncalled for, has nothing to do with discussing phones or OS's on either, it's just blatant propaganda and obvious fanboy stuff :/

just like those comparison tests you did that made THC seem 10 times slower....when u did the tests :/

definite offtopic for this forum, this thread has nothing to do with comparing devices, it's just you (and basically only you) writing about iPhone orgasms you get daily and us morons still continuing to give you attention and reason to continue your propaganda monologue instead of ignoring you :/

all you need is an A&F T-shirt, white canvas and you're good to go for another Apple Product Tour video, lines are already there
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
The recent posts in this thread made by you focus on how great apple is. This is not an apple forum! You can't see the problem with having to take a defective product back to the store, you can't see the problem with being told to use it for another 24 hours an see if the problem still exists, you cant see the problem with having to take it back the following day, you cant see the problem with having to wait 20 minutes to talk to store staff. Can you admit that this isn't great customer service? Great customer service would have been if they'd have replaced it the first time you'd went in.

Im not an apple hater. I love osx and couldn't go back to windows. What i do dislike about apple is their smugness. They think everything they do is revolutionary and their products are far better than anything else, even when their not.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I think you're right. And for that reason i wont be making anymore posts in this thread or giving steve any more attention. I suggest everyone else do the same so this thread disapears.
[Touch HD General] shruff:
Nah thats not enough, I vote it closed!

As a rule of thumb, let’s try to maintain the following structure:

Blackstone

(General talk. Post general issues related to Blackstone, software, skins, fixes, tips, tricks, OS issues, etc.)

Blackstone ROM development

(Specific talk. Post issues related to upgrading only, Utilities, HardSPL, Radios, unbricking, etc.)

Blackstone accessories

(Specific talk. Post issues related to accessories only, SD Cards, headsets, remote, etc.)

It is clearly off topic according to the forum rules set out by Flar
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Wow, you won't be posting to this thread which only serves to give me attention? ROFL. I don't think you're that deep in your character to be able to do that. I bet with only a slight provocation you will respond with foul mouth and fury because you clearly see HD as your manhood and religion.

Moving it to off topic? Good idea. I bet you'll be following me there and continue to defend your manhood there. Also, you think it's such a good idea to let a much larger group of audience seeing how ridiculous you're in your response?

I don't remember being the only person wanting to talk about iPhone. I can see countless of other iPhone threads all over the place. I did'nt start it. Go hunt down all the iPhone cult members there too, won't you?

I just thought that since I'm both a winmo and iPhone user, I could give accurate pictures in threads where I'm still a user (HD user). That's all. Funny that if what I say does not meet your expectation that you become so upset.

I don't want to come down to your level to engage in this stupid fight, so I'll just pen off a while to let things cool down, and let you cool down. I'll post when I want to post as long as the thread is open.

Peace out now.
[Touch HD General] homer285:
wow Steve you're a hypocrite and you contradict yourself! Now lets just see if you live up to your word and just "pen off" for a while! :D your words
[Touch HD General] lakeman:
A Forum is a Forum for Discussion

I couldn't believe the indignation from some people appearing of late.

It has degenerated from

to within a few posts

and most recently

If anyone were to pen off , I would prefer the close minded posters above and similar

I like to see other peoples opinion and having followed eaglesteves previous postings from the past years (yes years) was extremely interested in his views.

I consulted this thread prior to buying my hd and for me the hd is a better choice at present.

So ,I am looking forward to his next posts and also from others with both a hd and iphone
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
Could you please explain where you think my post (the one you quoted) shows indignation? I was simply expressing my views that the experience of great customer service that had been described was infact not great at all from what i am used to. Their is no indignation in my post.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
I think steve is all BS period! He mentioned before that the only reason he is keeping his HD because of GPS and now that tomtom for iphone is available he still keeps his HD a still lurks in this forum spreading BS. He also mentioned that iphone has better battery life than HD which we all know is BS steve is all BS!
[Touch HD General] lakeman:
Sarcasm and a backhander designed to provoke?

indignation that steve dare to mention a difference in service?

Make your own judgements and I will make mine!
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
It would seem he's not keeping his hd. So now he's getting rid of it and has no intention to buy another he probably won't be around this forum anymore :(
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
Their's no sarcasm in my post. I simply asked if you could point out where i showed indignation. People are free to make their own judgement's which is why i made mine on the customer experience stever described. My judgements are that this was a terrible was to treat a customer.
[Touch HD General] lakeman:
Sorry , I totally misinterpreted the tone and sentiments you expressed.

However , in australia despite the wait,the outcome is considered exemplary.

My experience in these matters (never had an iphone , but have had to deal with computer hardware failing after months) is mostly waits of weeks, except a wait for 1 day with a dell power supply and a week for an asus laptop with hard drive failure.
[Touch HD General] PoisonWolf:
lakeman,

I dont know how it is in Australia, but in the US, for the most part, if an item is still less than 15 days old, I'll just be able to walk into the store to exchange it for a brand new one without appointments as well.

And don't compare computer -parts- to cellphones. That's like comparing apple and watermelons.

I'm honestly not impressed by what steve has mentioned. It sounds like something anyone should and is obligated to do within the given time period that he has purchased his phone as opposed to being told by Apple that your problems are a result of manure-esque reasons.

Cheers.
[Touch HD General] masrterk:
this is the reality wake up :D

Read this this is the reality

Why Windows Mobile Rules - iPhone vs Windows Mobile Part 2

http://www.testfreaks.com/blog/information/why-windows-mobile-rules-iphone-vs-windows-mobile-part-2/
[Touch HD General] Xaddict:
Multitasking

Multitasking on the HD means I can run many programs at once and receive an incoming phonecall or text without my device crashing.

I tend to agree with what you say about the winmo interface, thats why I like HTC's Manila, which is superior to iPhone's in my opinion.

If I had the time to navigate around the iPhone with it's cute noises and pretty graphics I would.

But with Manila I can access everything I want, while on a phone call.

It would sh*t me to tears not being able to customise my device.

Also, no stylus means I would never buy an iPhone.

There are many things that can't be done well with just a finger.

Too much hard work to compensate for just pretty colours.
[Touch HD General] enyaj:
AMEN!!!to this >>> "It would sh*t me to tears not being able to customise my device."
[Touch HD General] akash_nu:
Completely agree to this. If we just run 1 program at any given time then there won't be any issues with the HD as well. And we are sooo used to do multitaskin that now it seems just a basic feature that every phone should have. At least for me I can't survive without multitaskin... Seriously... And I'm being really honest, not just saying for the argument sake, also the picture quality on the HD during day time is amazing...
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
You say that it is revolutionary but you don't say how.

The dictionary on my mac defines revolutionary as:

"involving or causing a complete or dramatic change"

I just can't see how the iphone has done that. It hasn't brought anything new to the mobile industry. In my opinion the only reason the iphone is so popular is because apple know how to market things to make people want them.
[Touch HD General] akash_nu:
The user experience on iphone is mind blowing, u have to agree to that... none of the touch based UI was successful prior to iphone. Apple's design made a huge difference in showing the world that direct manipulation is the way to go... The interaction designed and deployed on iphone is really thoroughly researched and implemented. No doubt about that.
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
Everything is beautiful my freind,

The OS is beautiful,

The screen is beautiful,

The scrolling finger based UI Is beautiful.

The screen size is beautiful,

It has built in Ipod too is beautiful,

It has one click apps which are beautiful,

Its speed is beautiful,

Its webkit webrowser is fast and beautiful,

Its multi touch is not just beautiful its to die for,

Its size/dimensions/thiness is beautiful,

It has Tv-out which is a beautiful feature,

The games are beautiful and knock seven craps out of winmo rubbish.

The iphone is a beautiful mediacentric, cellphone and webrowsing device which is what people use their phone for most of the time.

I could go on but these just come off the top of my head...

This was all around about 2 years ago when I had my tilt and touch cruise. Several iterations of Winmo didnt seem to change much until now and the Diamond and Touch HD were clearly introduced to be rivals to the iphone.

I think so. The OS and everything about the phone was built from the ground up for the mobile user not unimaginatively based around desktop windows. I am not going to give you the decimal points and excel spreadsheets that you crave. Either you get it or you dont. If you dont agree its because you are seeing these features slowly becoming the industry standard.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
Dream on my friend dream on!

Touch HD is king. iphone looks is not as beautiful as touch hd
[Touch HD General] crashDebug:
please lets not make it another iphone vs hd thread PLEASE.

this forum is already cluttered with this
[Touch HD General] dgen:
I agree the usability and stability of the iphone is top notch (I also have an iphone..)

But the winmo based devices give you a bit - a lot - more freedom to customize things the way you want (you can build something from scratch..)

In the end it's just up to the end user himself to see what he wishes to do with his phone :)

Anyway..I really don't know what you're doing here..And specially since you seem to look like a default iphone fanboy :) *beautiful*
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I think deep down he realises that his iphone is lacking in somthing and he's looking for an alternative, why else would he be on this forum?
[Touch HD General] akash_nu:
No Comments... :D
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
I love the diversity and functionality of HTC handsets (I still carry a s710 on a different carrier in my jacket) and customising them even to this day but in the past few years I have chosen to carry UMPC's such as the OQO and Everun so I guess I am enjoying the pure media functions of the iphone. Like you said its what suits you best. I think to call me a fanboy would not do justice to my extensive experience with smartphones across different platforms ;)

And in fact you are right, I think I can achieve my dream convergence device in some incarnation of a HTC handset. But the iphone definately upped the stakes for phone manufacturers.
[Touch HD General] daraj:
As a hardware difference hands down winner is HD. The only real downside of HD is the crappy OS it runs. I guess once windows 7 catches up we will start seeing more and more HTC market share growth VS iphone.
[Touch HD General] figeloal:
resolution

Well beside the obvious stuff that is in software like no Bluetooth stereo support which was a complete disappointment that really made me pass on the iphone is the crappy resolution (320x480) my 4(or maybe 5 year) old hx4700 can beat that :( and u really notice the difference big if u are reading. Sadly the 2 things i do the most is read and listen to music, so the iphone even if i like it a lot was no go. Now my friend says a new iphone is coming out soon(maybe August) so i was dumb to get the HD, but if i would think about getting what is coming out tomorrow i would never buy anything because it is always coming out something new :(

but i do agree the iphone has a great OS and has made touch screen phones popular :) but i really hate the fanboy base of users it has, it will really have to be much much better than the rest for me to get it as i really cant stand all the fanboys that love their iphone so much they wont admit its worse in anything. Like my friend when i asked him why no bluetooth stereo his (typical apple fanboy) answer was: you dont really need that, quality isnt good enough in bluetooth stereo anyway, bla bla bla. I hate when things are imposed to me, i want to judge for myself if quality is good or not, i mean if the hardware supports it its ridiculous not to put the software for it.

Like i said iphone is a good phone, its fanboys base of users is AWFUL...
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
HTC is as guilty as anyone in this, for example look at the fantastic Kaiser when it came out and its lack of graphics acceleration or the promising Shift and its myriad of problems in supporting hardware before HTC buggered off and left the device to die.

And the fanboys of HTC can be just as annoying on new models... they see a 20mhz increase in speed or perhaps none at all over 5 years, a 1 MP increase on a fundamentally crappy shutterless flash-lacking camera, an OS stuck in the dark ages that never changes (im also looking forward to Win 7 and 2010/11), some grossly inferior to iphone touch flo sh*t and the addition/removal of a keyboard or an increase in screen size *shock horror* compared to the everlasting 2.8" screens and they wax lyrical with every minute spec change and want to splash the cash on >$1000 unlocked handsets. And sometimes to keep you amused they will reduce the megapixels of your camera and remove TV-out or whatever else they find amusing on the latest models just to make you have multiple handsets while companies like Samsung are pushing 12MP, projectors and OLED and all sorts in their phones. But HTC fanboys dont mind... because HTC knows best :rolleyes: I used to be guilty of this myself until I broke the cycle.
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
Also figeloal,

You do know that there has always been a bluetooth stereo support adapter if it meant that much e.g

http://www.blueunplugged.com/p.aspx?p=136456

And the iphone will have support natively for it in July as you know.

And im amused to read your comment on ebook reading as I too love to read. The iphone supports the opening of PDFs with full multitouch, full screen and finger scrolling with its 620Mhz processor better than any windows mobile program including the sidebarred Foxit. Its amazing at natively opening pdf files and it can open PDF files larger than 200mb (with Goodreader) which is something maybe the HD can't do. The only time I have anysort of legibility trouble is with poorly scanned documents, which the HD can probably deal with better.

The best way to read PDFs or other filetypes though is by converting them to HTML or something using Mobipocket Desktop or similar and viewing them in a browser - it works equally well on the iphone or Winmo devices.

So the question is what type of files did you want to open?
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
You had a prob transferring music to itunes? Its obvious that you are just going to say negative stupid things on a wm forums. It really isn't hard. Screen is to sensitive? HAHA im sorry you don't have to push down on the screen on the iphone or finger tip/nail touch to get press what you want. Funny how its always the iphone every phone get compared to. Its funny how its always the iphone every phone gets compared to. Only thing wm has on the iphone is flash support, which the iphone will soon have. Keep waiting for wm7 maybe it wont be delayed some more. By the time it comes out it will already.... NVM. And all this multitasking talk, get your self a app called "backgrounder" and wow whats this the iphone can also multitask?
[Touch HD General] tall.gooner:
great post, i dislike my htc hd more by the day and can't wait to get rid of it when my contract is up...:mad:
[Touch HD General] figeloal:
filetypes :)

I read mostly pdf and compressed HTML (chm) i know you can read both in iphone, but i like small letters and a lot of text on the screen and because of the iphones poor resolution letters cant be read when they are too small, problem is as i wrote that i am used to a 4inch screen 640x480 screen then going back to 3.5 with 320x480 is very hard to get used too :( but i am no fanboy of anything :) i love the iphone OS it is GREAT no way anyone can discuss that :) and if apple releases a phone with decent resolution(which is the most important thing to me) i will buy it :) i am also eager to see how apple fares with the bluetooth stereo and movies :) it is funny because on my old hx4700 the movies work perfect with the bluettoth stereo on but on my HTC i have to turn off the bluetooth stereo or the movie stutters :(

i am happy with my HTC but i would really love to see a phone with the hardware of the HTC and the OS of the Iphone(i really dislike Windows, i use linux since a long time ago)
[Touch HD General] figeloal:
these are the kind of fanboy comments that make me think twice before buying an iphone...
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
Are you an ex-nokia tablet person as well? I used to have the E90 and n800 and now just have an n810, using less than 4.1 inches is annoying for e-reading for me too after that. The ability to run a full linux OS on it was cool too! A new nokia tablet is about to be released which might interest you which is 4.2'', HSPDA, runs a linux OS (any of them) and will possibly support cell calls.

Edit - Oh i gotcha, you were talking about your hx4700 :p I know its really old but i tried to sell my boxed h2210 the other day and I was told it was only going to get about $26 max! lol, PDAs go down in price quicker than phones it seems.
[Touch HD General] kolomnik:
Application not from App store

I have question to iPhone users, is it possible to find and install applications besides app store ? I don't have anything against Apple policy of checking software before put in App store, but I wonder if there any other choices.

Regarding previous posts I can say that if you buy gadget for 800$ you expect more than just phone and it's up to you people to decide what you want. WinMo phone is a pocketpc and iPhone is a pocketmac with all consequences good and bad consequences.
[Touch HD General] imperiallight:
Yes Cydia appstore, Installer among other new services (mostly all free applications). Android and Linux for iphone are also not too far away. If you want to be a pirate you can install Apple app store and other paid image files of programs using your desktop.
[Touch HD General] brusko1972:
So what are all you fanboys doing in a wm forum?
[Touch HD General] saminegm:
OK, now try this on an iphone.

Set an appointment with a reminder. E.g. "Make telephone Call to Peter"

The alarm rings. You call peter. The line is busy.

On an WindowsMobile Phone you just click "Remind me in 15 Minutes".

1 click.

On an iphone you have to edit the appointment.

3 or 4 clicks.

So what is so easy about that?

I have to do this all day long because i have plenty of those entries.

And the missing copy and paste (I know its coming now)... makes it unusable as a business phone.

No voice dial?

It is simply forbidden in Europe to touch your phone during driving. I have more than 400 contacts. Nobody wants me to scroll through them with 70 mph. And I need to contact my clients while driving.

Of course you can jailbreak the iphone and cure some of the mentioned problems. But you can change a WM6.1 phone in almost any direction you want.

Well... the GUI... the GUI could be smoother.

And besides: What is wrong with using a pen? Do iphone users eat with their hands?

just jokin