yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
12 MB in my opinion is basically an overrkill atleast in case of WM 6.1 and if you use 12 MB PP with WM 6.5, WM 6.5 itself becomes an overkill for Gene. Thing is, PP memory is used to load OS resources. Its a set aside area of memory and this is done to make sure that OS is never low on memory for loading critical resources. OS can load its critical resources outside PP limits but then its not always guaranteed to find free memory there as applications might have already taken all of it. So PP is way to make sure that OS does not have to "die" or "hang" every now and then due to low memory. Other applications are denied access to this memory, so Total Memory-Pagepool is the memory that we see as available RAM.

Now the trick is to really balance the PP and free memory. WM 6.1 has a bit less resoources to load although, not much less, then WM 6.5. WM 6.5 theme model itself uses plenty of PP memory as well as non PP memory to load theme resources (generally .png files, which are later expanded as BMPs in memory). Likewise, the new Lockscreen also needs more memory to process those XML cpr files and png images. So a PP less than 8 MB is too less for WM 6.5 and is the reason for those "memory leaks". 8 MB balances things a bit on 6.5 although a 10 MB PP will be more good although. 12 MB, I dont know, maybe its good, maybe its bad. But the thing is with 12 MB PP on 6.5 you have very little free ram left which makes the rom unusable with large software like Opera 9 etc. So its upto u, it depends on your usage. If you have usage patterns including large software, use a 8 or 10 MB PP else you can go for higher.

With WM 6.1, 8 MB works absolutely great and 6 MB is bare minimum. People who use less than 6 MB use tend to get lower performance. Dont think that WM 6.1 being less "beautiful" uses less memory. It might not has the beauty, but it has a beast within. It also has lots of resources to load and it cant do that in 2 or 4 MB. It needs at least 6. I personally now use 8 coz with that i get commendable performance with ability to load software of quiet big sizes.

And guys, the reason for my inactivity is as always my absense from Delhi. I am out of town, on my Gene's trusted Internet Connection, which, unfortunately is not that good for uploading. It takes hours to upload and download big files which i dont have right now. Will be returning by Tuesday after which I may resume my activities on the forum.
[P3400 ROM Development] orange2784:
Thanks a lot Krazy...that was very very informative...

I used PP = 10MB... surely Performance increases a lot application works without any hickups...but on other side ...it losses (as you said) RAM and battery (in my case)... i also found that PP=8MB is better...
[P3400 ROM Development] helderl:
Special request

Hello Krazy.

I love your roms. They are great...:rolleyes:

I have a special request for you.

In your next rom, couldn't you include in the power metter also a percentage of power in the device :)?

Sorry bothering you, but I'm new in this, and I can't kitchen any rom :(.

Thanks.
[P3400 ROM Development] tvse0821:
hello Krazy,

Can you please tell how to disable the titanium in Winmo6.5 kitchen. i mean what packages are to be removed/disabled. As it is heavy on resources and personally i dont find it user friendly.Though new UI may be good for eyes but not for me :rolleyes:.

Thanks :)
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
- CHome

- CHome_DPI_96

- CHome_Lang_0409

- bronze

- Bronze_DPI_96

- BronzeNonEA
[P3400 ROM Development] tvse0821:
Thanks BesFen :) :cool:
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
More RAM??

Hi! Besfen

Does removing the titanium give more free RAM??
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
Yes, but if you put M2d it will consume more RAM. Better Titanium than M2D.

I suggest you use compact titanium plugin like JMLtoday and less others plugin, it will consumt more less RAM. I use only 4 plugin in my Titanium, here my Screenshot:

With activesyn mail active and PP 9MB I get 21,5MB at first Boot.
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
Thats fantastic....I get only 19 MB...

Can u pls guide me how to get the home screen like yours...

Please upload the required files
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
Here the link for JMLToday:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=540413

I replace the meteo file with the hero Skin: (I replace the meteo file only, not install the hero skin)

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=4193409&postcount=4

replace the png file in sys folder inside JML folder with mine, and then modified the plg, attached is my plg, copy it into jml folder, tab the jml titanium, setting, change skin, choose mine.
[P3400 ROM Development] shail00:
can u plz me provide me with the links of the gene ROM with the start menu at the bottom,i.e COM 4 branch?
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
how to use it

Sorry Besfen!! But can u please tell how to use this

Do i need to remove titanium files from my ROM & recook it

or its a skin for titanium.....

Please give deatails on implementing this
[P3400 ROM Development] deathgame:
its a cab file available on link provided.just disable titanium and install it(then enable titanium..but jmltoday not require restarting of titanium like other plugins)...u will also need mort script...search it on xda.
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
not working

Hi Buddy...

Thanks i got it working...

but when i press call end key, the screen comes to deafult

I still have all the tabs available on titanium...how to remove unwanted tabs....

Can i have a hero interface on JML today.....currently not able to browse XDA
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
What do you mean with back to default? the JML plugin gone/disappear?
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
JML

It doesn't go away...

it shows the regular titanium clock...JML is on the top tab

I have to scroll it back....how to remove other tabs from titanium
[P3400 ROM Development] Duron23:
This is the best today screen I have ever seen on gene. :D :)
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
You can use Chome Editor.
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
Thanks.:D:D
[P3400 ROM Development] htcp3400i:
It has been some time since we saw something from Sumit's kitchen....?? Are u busy these days bro...??
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
Ya, am a bit busy these days. But one more fact is i have made a quiet crash proof rom with WM 6.1 21055 and many original oems and have almost reached the level of satisfaction with my phone for which i was working for last 1 year. Its clear WM 6.5 will never be usable on gene for power users and i am one of them. So i think its quiet over with Gene and i will be doing less now in ROM upgrading area. I will be working more towards application/utility development for WInMo in general.

I need to work a bit on my finances now so that i can move forward in life in general, and thats required for getting a new phone as well :) So now i am more focused towards that.
[P3400 ROM Development] rakesh_4utoo:
We want that 6.1 ,and you promised to give me something:):)
[P3400 ROM Development] deathgame:
plz upload that kitchen ....plz plz plz

when u r uploading??
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
I am in progress of making my new changes compatible with WM 6.5 plus i am also testing the rom thoroughly this time. So once i get a full working kitchen, i will upload it. In the meantime i will upload my new OEM and EXT folders for WM 6.1 if anybody needs those. But i wont be answering too many questions about those oems, one who uses it needs to figure out himself why i did the changes. One hint though : there is one more person on this forum other than me that u can discuss these new oems and exts with. Three guesses who? :P

OEMs and EXTs for 6.1 will be up by tomorrow. :)
[P3400 ROM Development] shan2129:
oh thanks Mr. krazy : my phone was a trashcan until i flashed your ROM in it :D
[P3400 ROM Development] htcp3400i:
Nope...who is it...??
[P3400 ROM Development] htc3400:
Ankit ....:D
[P3400 ROM Development] deathgame:
ankit?..........
[P3400 ROM Development] gnvkittu:
Thanks for the rom

sumit your WM 6.5 ROM is very good
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
@Shantanu : :D Oh, is that so, great! and congrats for your new phone, gene :D You will never stop cracking jokes, isn't it? :)

@all: No its not Ankit unfortunately. Its Duron :) He has been helping me a lot over phone and chat in testing the new oems.
[P3400 ROM Development] Duron23:
The pleasure was mine, working with you on those oem's :D. Hope the Hard work pay's off well :D
[P3400 ROM Development] shail00:
Can someone please cook and upload the links for the p3400i{new gene} ROM that has the start menu at the bottom , i think that is COM 4 brach (i may be wrong)...the build i got is only 23064 and there are more updates available......plz if someone can cook the ROM and upload me and many people wud be thankful....

THANX
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
Hi shail00, Cooking ROM is very easy now, you can make the newest WM 6.5 by your self, the last version is 23089, Duron already upload the SYS and XIP and you can download i from ZELALAT Thread.
[P3400 ROM Development] ankit360:
i never ues WM 6.1 anymore so no OEM for WM 6.1 regarding WM 6.5 i never create new ROM since last one month but if you want my v4 ROM OEM i will share is but there is not much changes in it

nobody pay me except Addicted2xda :p that the one of the reason i m not interested in Rom Cooking anymore :(
[P3400 ROM Development] BesFen:
+1 :D :D :D
[P3400 ROM Development] Duron23:
Hey Buddy, I didn't meant about donations or anything like that, When I said pay's off well.

What I meant was, Hope we won't have any more hang's in 6.1. :D

All my work is purely because of my passion about windows mobiles. ;)
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
@duron : Its paying off well buddy :) I have no complaints from the rom we made other than the required restart after 3-4 days due to VM becoming full. Other than that, every feature of WM 6.1 is running rock solid, i have tested thoroughly :)
[P3400 ROM Development] heavy io:
Need helpppppp!! Confused

Ok. Been all around the sites. I can find all the Tilt 2 Roms and themes in the world.

I ditched that model and got me a AT&T Fuze. I want to install WM6.5 but I can't find it. I also cant find a simple bullet form instruction list. I found lots of long drawn out instructions and DLd a program called HrdSpl.

I live in Central Texas so I would want a good radio for the mobile phone. I don't want dropped calls

Heavy
[P3400 ROM Development] karan999:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=614601

have a look at this thread.it shows the AUTO INSTALL OF CABS during first flash.i din find the word UC anywhere.then how is this possible? can we do something same for GENE?
[P3400 ROM Development] deepv84:
have a look

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=617856

and about UC

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=562568
[P3400 ROM Development] rahul714:
is this rom for the old gene

hi Krazy

is this rom for the old gene
[P3400 ROM Development] A. K. Jain:
Some issues with 23052

Hi Sumit,

I have new gene, SPL unlocked. I have yesterday downloaded build 23052, cooked & flashed it. I cooked it with PagePool 8 MB & without camera loader. I am getting 19-20 MB on startup which is quite good. The performance is quite fast. I downloaded 23052 to have start menu at the bottom. I liked the way you have given kitchen, xip & sys. It gives flexibility to people like us to remove the applications which are not used by individual users. Great work sir.

During the cooking, the kitchen asks for DeviceID but you are not able to type it. Then I selected device as old gene & DeviceID & other parameters came automatically. Then I selected the device as new gene. This way, the DeviceID etc. fields remained filled automatically. I don't know whether this is the correct way to do?

I have noticed following issues:

(i) ez2input keyboard doesn't come by default after every reset.

(ii) Notification box regarding missed call occupies half of the screen.

(iii) The notification while connecting to GPRS also occupies almost half of the screen. The 'Cancel' & 'Hide' buttons are also quite big in size.

(iv) On Settings -> Connections -> Connections & similarly on many screens, the text appears to be like in double space occupying lot of screen space & the screen displays little of actual content.

(v) On many screens, the size of drop-down boxes is also quite big.

Is there any problem in cooking or flashing the ROM or some tweaking is required? Please help. Once again many thanks for giving us such a great customizable ROM.
[P3400 ROM Development] Duron23:
Nothing is wrong with your cooking for flashing, everything you mentioned is the normal behavior of that build. To set the ezinput or anyother keyboard you need to tweak the registery. Search around you will find the answer.
[P3400 ROM Development] A. K. Jain:
Thanks Duron23.

In Internet Explorer, some of the text appears in readable font size whereas remaining is too small to read. If u increase the text size in IE then some of text becomes huge. Is there any way to adjust size of the system font.
[P3400 ROM Development] rahulelectra:
Thanks sumit, downloaded and installed your rom.. It was exactly i wanted quality windows with no artificial\fancy icons and was amazingly fast.

thanks for ur work.
[P3400 ROM Development] thinman873:
how can we expand the pagefile?
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
There is no concept of pagefile on WIndows Mobile OS. What exactly are you trying to refer to?
[P3400 ROM Development] deathgame:
Transparent taskbars in WM6.1

Transparent taskbars in WM6.1-

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=647579

@Krazy

Any chances ?
[P3400 ROM Development] Duron23:
Thank you for pointing out this, I will surely get you this on 6.1
[P3400 ROM Development] Duron23:
Ok, transparent task bar and softkey bar works. But I feel it looks good only when in today screen, as soon you open any app, the bars stay transparent, which look little ac-ward to me.

Simple guys, just install PSPad and open the S001 inside \VisualKitchen\SYS\21056\SHARED\COMMON\Shell\Shell32.exe and \VisualKitchen\SYS\21056\SHARED\COMMON\Shell\aygshell.dll and edit the files as mentioned in this thread

Edited : Attached is the hex edited modules for transparent bars ( transperency set at 60)

you just need to copy them into " \VisualKitchen\SYS\21056\SHARED\COMMON\Shell\" folder and cook it.
[P3400 ROM Development] deathgame:
@Duron23

Thnx....
[P3400 ROM Development] cuteitsme:
Hiii Duron...thanx 4 dis...

I know it can be a foolish question but can we reduce the height of the title (bottom)bar in WM6.5??

i searched in the forums & from the results i found it looks like it is not possible...

need ur xpert advice....:)

n one more thing many thanks to You, Krazy, BesFen,Ramersonw & everybody for their contribution... I have learnt cooking(a bit) only because of ur nice tutorials & now I am using my Own Cooked Rom(Build 23544)..

Thank u sooooooooooooooooooo muuuuuuuuuuchhhhhhhhhh once again...........:)
[P3400 ROM Development] karan999:
i hope we too get the chance to enjoy your ROM. :)
[P3400 ROM Development] cuteitsme:
Hii Karan,

Actually I have created a simple basic ROM, without much stuff... I dont use internet on d phone, thus I have removed all the internet addons, plus I have removed d audio manager & titanium too because I use SPB mobile shell & A_C aplications which I generally install later.....;)

So all this left d ROM very simple without any Today Plugin, internet addons & thus I didn't share d ROM here as afraid that it will not be of use 2 anybodyy:(

& last but not d least this ROM stands no where as all u great people have already shared very good & xcellent ROMs here....:)
[P3400 ROM Development] rakesh_4utoo:
My first rom was upoaded after my 100th post and u cooked in just 17th post ,great going newcomers:):):):):):D:D
[P3400 ROM Development] ameetbora:
after using this rom my phone frequently boots while in the middle of phone calls

is there any fix to it???
[P3400 ROM Development] alifarzanehpoor:
why cannot i see screenshots?

or

really , there is no screenshot?
[P3400 ROM Development] karan999:
Sumit(Krazy_about_technology) loves to create stock like ROMS with enhanced performance.

So you really dont need a screenshot !
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
Right said Karan :) How do u do buddy?
[P3400 ROM Development] karan999:
im fine yaar...waiting for my bike to come.im upgrading from a my pulsar 150 to a Hyosung GT250 in a month or 2. :)

how are u mannn...hows the mighty B(east)7610 working !!!! Njoying ?
[P3400 ROM Development] propsia:
very nice work brother!!!!!

i have tried your EXT updated and your COM 3 BUILD SYS AND XIP but they are giving bugs every time i am not able to connect to internet and yopu know camera also fails to load i fail to understand the reason please clarify

this will be your great pleasure!!!
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
@propsia : Hmm, Can you pinpoint what exact files you are using and also can you give me the directory structure of your kitchen.
[P3400 ROM Development] Blueangel180:
Open the Task Manager Advanced. Click the down faced arrow to the right of the screen and select Regedit from the menu. Now in the folder tree on the upper half of the screen, Navigate to :

For AudioManager:

HKLM > Software > HTC > Audio Manager > Config

In the lower section, look for a value called ENTER_SUSPEND. If its there, double tap on it to edit it and enter 0 as new value. Otherwise, in an empty area in the same place, tap and hold for a while for a context menu to appear. Select New > Value. Select REG_DWORD as Value Type. In the name field, type ENTER_SUSPEND. Click the Set Data button and enter 1 as the value. Click Ok and then again Ok.
[P3400 ROM Development] rakesh_4utoo:
Hari it means that when anybody press the power button then the music playback stops
[P3400 ROM Development] haree:
@rakesh_4utoo

hi

but this has been happening even in the orginal WM6 atleast for me this has been happenning and i did see some kind a fix for this some were in the site but it was related to WMplayer and not our HTC player so if this is the way it is why is it a big issue im realy:confused: can u expalin pls :)

but then i dont listen to much music on my phone i use a sony Mp3 player:D

anyway thanks for ur reply buddy :)
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
I have yet not able to understand why this issue is not happening with me, I am using the same build myself, but I am investigating it and if I find something, I will post here. In the meanwhile, please try to figure out that whether it is happening with old or new gene, or with both.

So I request to everybody, please try to post your experience with audio playback in standby mode on a clean hard resetted phone, which has been soft reseted at least two times after the hard reset, with both Windows Media PLayer and Audio Manager.
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
Media player feedback

Hi! Krazy

I am using using new gene and flashed the revised version of 6.5 ROM....hard reset the device and also did the soft reset many times but still the music play back stops when suspended....
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
Hi Tahir, Have you checked the following registry values :

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\HTC\AudioManager\Config]

"enter_suspend"=dword:00000000

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\MediaPlayer\Preferences]

"UnattendedPlayback"=dword:00000001

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\State\Suspend]

"WAV1:"=dword:00000004

"Flags"=dword:00200000

@=dword:00000003

I hope you do understand the format, if not, try adding the attached registry file to your phone using some registry editor and post here the result. Dont forget to soft reset after it. Also, is the playback stopping in both media player and audio manager or one of them?
[P3400 ROM Development] rakesh_4utoo:
@haree:-Not a big for me also ,but it enhances some battery backup for muzic lovers, Thats it.

but i use toggle screen feature in Buttons option of WM player.All hardware keys remained active by toggling the screen,(like play pause,next and previous,FF and FR ,volume up and down etc.) all these won't functional in suspended mode.
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
Hey Guys, Apart from the MP3 Trimmer feature, which also people dont use that often, do you think there is any merit of using Audio Manager over Windows Media Player? I think media player has far more options than it, and it takes 2 MB of precious space in our ROMs? What do you people think, should i stop including Audio Manager in my ROMs?

@Rakesh: Thanks for the buttons tip for WMPLayer buddy, i just skipped over it somehow everytime. :)
[P3400 ROM Development] ankit360:
I actually remove HTC player in my early rom

actually there is lots of good player then HTC one, but don't know why ppl ask for HTC audio manager
[P3400 ROM Development] rakesh_4utoo:
Only for trimming mp3 files:)
[P3400 ROM Development] amolji:
ya u shud exclude it.other than it plz exclude msn money,youtube,messenger( used rarely)..i feel tat these shud be excluded
[P3400 ROM Development] krazy_about_technology:
@Ankit: Well in Manilla Based ROMs, its actually required. Manilla 2D's Music tab doesn;t works without it. But in a non manilla ROM, i think its useless. Instead the MP3Trimmer taken from diamond can be included.

@Amolji: Buddy your suggestions are good, but lets not think in the way that you or is the only person using the ROM.MSN Money is a new feature of WM 6.5 and its good for those who need stock quotes (Me included), and i have also said previously that widgets is a new technology in 6.5 that allows apps written in HTML and javascript to run as a real WM application with the new IE supporting them in background. The Widgets are very very small in size (MSN money is 100 KB) and their removal doesn't affects the size of rom in any way.

Messenger is something that is part of Windows Live and that i cant remove. From the time i have came to this forum, getting Windows Live to work on WM 6.1 and up was my major concern and I use the live services extensively, and i think there are others like me.

Youtube player is something that adds +1 to the utilitarian value of the phone. You may have not encountered it but many times it happened with me that i had to show someone or see myself something on youtube without having access to a computer (like in a train or bus) and the app works phenomenally well. There is no other alternative for this app available that can work so well. I always activate 20 Rs per day unlimited internet on my IDEA connection and at that time this also sometimes serves me the purpose of entertainment, i watch pocketnow.com videos on it :) And this utility also makes our gene compete with Touch Viva in terms of features as this is a very prominent feature of Viva. So removing it, again, is out of question for me :) But thanks anyways for the suggestions.
[P3400 ROM Development] haree:
@ankit

hi ankit:D

uv been missing for a long time i thought that u had maybe :p upgaded ur phone and went to a different forum:D

Happy to see u back buddy :D:D:D:D
[P3400 ROM Development] ankushv:
how to install this rom

I have old genie but when I flash from pc using usb the phone remains on boot screen my phone is spl unlocked , can anyone guide me how to flash from sd card?
[P3400 ROM Development] imblfmstr:
@Krazy

I think you should remove it buddy...anyways the great fans of music can afford to have a music player for them, then why to waste the precious and limited ROM of gene....only a personal choice...no offense towards the music lovers

I forgot to mention the youtube player don't work for me...it takes a lot of time to start and then shows no video...i checked many categories but still no videos found.....will check the windows player settings today and let u know the results....