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[Touch CDMA General] goldengraham:
Hey there,

Has anyone here replaced a dead LCD screen (not digitizer)? IF you have could you tell me the symptoms you were getting. I'm going to try to replace mine but I'd like to be sure that it's the screen causing the problem and not something else.

Thanks!

GG

also, could you let me know where you got your LCD from?
[Touch CDMA General] LeftysRule22:
You can get them from ebay for about $100, that all i know of though.

Google lms283gf01 and see if you can find some :confused:
[Touch CDMA General] Tybalt39:
Actually, I picked one up on eBay for $28. Yes, that was a new LCD, not the digitizer. It even came with the tools to open the phone. There are good instructions around for a complete dis-assemble and it was relatively painless.

I broke the original LCD, so there was no question whether it "failed" or not.
[Touch CDMA General] goldengraham:
Well I can't see any cracks or anything in the LCD. I think I'm just going to get a Diamond. Unfortunately, no NFSFAN...

GG
[Touch CDMA General] coachcharles:
lcd screen

Hey, you wanna get rid of your broken vogue? charleskdabney@yahoo.com. get back with me if you're interested. Or maybe I can advise you on how to repair your vogue...I've done several myself.

Good luck.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] pg2005:
Why cant we get any nice games für our Windows Mobile based phone like you get for the apple iphone?

Is Microsoft sleeping?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Eufeion:
So far Ive got Need For Speed.

I want Spore but can't find it anywhere. Just an american site "Handango" but it dosn't wanna work when I try to pay via paypal :(
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] antrak:
The basic market for this for iPhone users is way higher. The iPhone has a lot more kids (I'm not bashing, just don't know how to say it otherwise) and people who are generally more interested in games. The low costs for developers and low prices of the appstore attract people aswell cause it's so easy to download and play a game. It's a scene which is ideal to most gaming-companies. Graphic capabilities do not differ so much though, but there just isn't a market for it at our windows mobile camp.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
deem --- If only we could have iphone os on our Touch HD!!!! -- then we could play most of the games which iphone users can!!!!

BTW-- HTC make devices for work, but the devices are even more than cappable for play and multimedia!!! Im 15years old and I have Touch HD just cuz it is a very powerfull device with great multimedia capabilities!!!!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] antrak:
Not gonna happen though. :D

HTC is starting to focus on the multimedia side and user friendlyness as you can see, starting in a proper fashion since the diamond. In my opinion the HD has far greater multimedia capabilities then the iPhone (which it has, from codecs to viewing/sound pleasure) but it just isn't a plug and play device and you will often need 3rd party apps, which a lot of users don't understand/have any willingness to do so. But with the help of sites like XDA and software developers you can have an extremely suitable multimedia device.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Kristaps-K9-Lv:
agree with that-- from xda I have found-- correct video codecs and converters, nice picts, great games (like xtrakt :D ), mods, finger friendly stuff!!!!!! :D :D

So bassicaly --> No xda = Iphone sells go up 200% ----- with xda = Iphone sells keep droping and people keep loving Windows Mobile!!!!! :D :D :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] moshbeard:
iPhone users care more about pointless things like games, or at least the majority of them do.

I wouldn't mind having some really top notch games and some of those fun but ultimately useless apps for WM, but I can definitely live without them.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
I'm a freshman at Purdue University studying computer science, and my interest pretty much lays in mobile devices and programming. Just a background about myself.

I've been looking at mobile platforms. I've had some experience with using Windows Mobile and the iPhone OS, but haven't had any experience with Android. My question for all of you is, what OS do you think I, or more generally, current college students should focus on?

Obviously there's the big factor of personal preferences, but looking forward, what is going to be a big market?

The iPhone OS already has a big application market, and I do think it will only grow as the iPhone market share grows, but I fear the iPhone's market will peak before I get out of college in about 3 more years.

Android seems to be the budding OS, since its market share is quite low due to only having one device out, and for a small(er) US carrier. But I feel Android, since backed by Google, will thrive for awhile.

Blackberry OS seems really nice, but for now I think the developer pool and demand for blackberry applications is quite low. But, this means that is could peak about then time I'm out of college.

Finally, Windows Mobile seems to be, and no offense to anyone here, but the laughing stock of mobile OS'. The introduction of Windows Mobile 6.5 will help, and Windows Mobile 7 could spark the WinMo community and userbase.

What are your thoughts?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ajbopp:
iPhone will continue to be successful but its closed environment will hinder its full potential. It is likely to reach a critical mass soon that it won't be able to reach beyond as long as it clings to proprietary hardware.

Android is likely to continue to be a niche market, much like Google Docs. Successful only if you define the term in a very particular way, but not in a "mass market" way.

Blackberry, from an applications standpoint, has already stalled and is likely to continue to do so unless the Storm can break through, which seems unlikely at this point. After the initial mania over it, it's become kind of a yawn.

You've not included Symbian, but since I don't know much about it I won't comment on it here.

Windows Mobile is not likely to increase its market share significantly, but it's also unlikely to lose much more market share. Integration with the Windows desktop/server world is only likely to become tighter, and that will remain attractive to business users.

I doubt you will go far wrong with strong skills in both iPhone and WinMo. Others are risky.

But really, you mentioned you want to program for mobile devices. With the OS's you mention you are unnecessarily limiting yourself. Windows CE is a quite powerful mobile platform that many of the largest manufacturers are basing their mobile strategies on - just not telephones or other handheld devices. There are many other mobile technologies that you should investigate and will probably give you far greater opportunities than a phone OS.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] antrak:
Like he said, I would definately not focus on a phone OS but rather on a core OS.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
I agree with pretty much everything you said, ajbopp, and I get where you're coming from. But in terms of market share for phones, I feel that the trend is going quickly towards average-user type smartphones like the iPhone. My feeling is that whatever OS can tailor towards the average user is going to be the one that comes out with the biggest market share, but that much is obviously. WinMo and Blackberry at the moment are geared towards businesses and if they stay that way they won't own the market. I'm really looking into what OS will perform well in the mass market.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ajbopp:
Gotta disagree with you there. Whatever OS can tailor to business needs is where the market share is at. And I don't mean the device that can integrate with Exchange Server the easiest and most reliably.

The OS that will run the navigation, climate control, GPS, etc. systems in every automobile produced by Toyota, or every transport truck engineered by Navistar, or every driver from UPS...that market will dwarf the personal communication device market. The opportunity for application development is more extensive, and the value of those applications will be immeasurably higher. They already are.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] jadephyre:
let him go with the FailPhone already...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
Well right now the iPhone has a sizable market share and is tailored to the average user, no?

And I think the OS that is capable of running the things you mentioned sounds like Android, since it's not limited by hardware or software limitations.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ajbopp:
But it's also not standard, or well-used. You're banking on Android becoming something as commonplace as Java did so quickly in the 90s. I think that's pretty much a long shot.

Plus, you have to consider code re-use and platform diversity. Today, Windows, Windows Mobile, and WindowsCE is still the target to beat when it comes to marketing plans, project expenses, customer familiarity, legacy product integration, and a host of other considerations.

Java offered platform independence at a time when the WWW was just beginning to burgeon. Had it been developed even 5 years earlier, it probably would not have been successful.

There is no comparable event on the horizon that is likely to make Android the dominant mobile OS. There's just not enough incentive to jump to it.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
pjcforpres, so you're saying that Windows Mobile will start becoming the more prominent OS in the long run?

The release of Windows Mobile 6.5 (I haven't tried it, I've since moved on to a Nokia N95 from my Tilt) looks like it's finally giving a facelift to the standard ugly interface we're all used to.

My concern with WinMo is the lack of an built-in application store. Admittedly I haven't kept up as much as I should on that, but I believe MS has one in the works to be shipped with 6.5? If so and if this takes off, I'd probably look to move into that field.

Has anyone had experience programming in XCode (iPhone/Mac OSX) and can tell how difficult it is compared to other languages such as Java?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] antrak:
Typing on my blackstone right now so will make it short. :D.

I definately do -not- think the WinMo OS will thrive, nor completely go out of the picture. If they manage to increase their user experience and out of the box situation it might, but I don't see this happening anywhere untill Windows 7.

Looking at your statement about WinMo users I have to completely disagree with you. The biggest share of people that have a WinMo device do nothing with customization at all, nor are they tech-savvy people. The thing that influences phone sales the most is still the outside (Features, looks, branding) before software, looking at the sale figures of let's say the Omnia vs the iPhone in Germany says it aswell. The majority of people that bought a iPhone (average-users which present the highest share) didn't go to the Apple store because they read about the fluid OS it's using, but cause it's from Apple and they had been using an iPod for so long. The biggest reason the iPhone had such a succes was cause of Apple's image in customer-friendly electronics and as a status symbol. (Say all you want, marketing-technical this is the case.)

Most likely if we actually look at Apple's record, theres nearly no chance the iPhone OS will go multi-platform. They've always been extremely tidy-up on enforcing patents and even try to go against x86 hardware Mac OS users.

Fingers getting tired now so that's all for now :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Raghav_K:
:D :D :D

Lol..

Edit: What about Palm's WEB OS???
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] omgwiiso:
windows will be thrive i think
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] 12aon:
This is an interesting discussion. I'm a great fun of the sloppy open OS windows offers for the same reason I dwell on these forums. You asked about an appstore, which wm6.5 has (not functional yet because of the betaness). But I really don't think that's something to base future predictions on, because everyone is catching up to that right now, I do believe nokia has an appstore as well.

As for the thriving osses, I'm quite certain that the general smartfone market share is and will be increasing. People seem to pay EUR 600 to get the newest "dumb" phones, for the same money they can have a smartphone that looks good as well. I do see apple's one provider provider as limiting for Iphone OS as a lot of people are satisfied with the deals providers proir their newest phone deal and getting a simunlocked one is quite a hassle. I have had some big discussions over people who are buying what os, and they seem to believe that the general population thinks of an iphone when they think of a multifunctional phone. That being said I'm looking very much forward to windows 7 as I think it will deal with a lot of the currents uglyness and sloppyness of the phones. It will however mean that the newer WM will be "more" closed than before, but I'll guess we will manage :), 12
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] DaVince:
Right now 3 OS'es are leading the pack: WM, Apples and Symbians.

Symbians will probably continue to prosper since they are still by far the easiest to familiarize devices you can ever have. But I'm sure, until symbian figures out a way to be as pretty as an iPhone or as flexible as WM.. they will slowly come out of the picture like Palm and BBs.

As long as Steve Jobs stays alive, apple will get bigger. They may not call it iPhones anymore but it's gonna be something hip and cool that would certainly appeal to the younger/new generation market.

WM will never die. As long as you have Windows PC's, you cannot kill WM. And right now, WM6.5 is heading the right track.. it maintained the flexibility and power of WM and added an iPhone feel to it. I have no doubt that WM7 will definitely make everything better. Much like what they did from XP to Vista.

Android? Hmm.. until they show more devices that can use it, yeah maybe. But I'd stick to WM and iPhones if you wanna develop mobile apps.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
I see where you're going in terms of integration and its benefits towards the future. I guess I'm being a litle short-sighted here, as now I feel the basic smartphone user *isn't* actually integrating.

Admittedly I'm looking primarily (and that's a shortfall of mine) at my own demographic, which is college kids looking for trendiness and wow factor. But I'm willing to bet that if you asked 20 college kids with WinMo or iPhones, you'd find 5 or less of them are actually syncing them to their computer.

As of right now, I believe the general public isn't tieing in their phone with their computer as most, if not all of us on this forum are used to doing. So in terms of integration being a big selling point, I don't see the general public looking at that as highly as us as more tech-savvy people do. Now, I DO believe that when we get far enough in to the future that integration WILL be a major selling point, but I believe the near future still seperates phone from computer.

The question of what attracts people to a phone is a rather interesting one. This is another assumption I'm making, but I believe what draws people to the iPhone is part trendy factor, part status symbol and part "you can do so many things with it so easily". I'm definitely open to being proven wrong, and I guess my argument comes from pure assumption and a bit of knowledge on how the college-kid's-brain functions, but I do see the average college kid as a fairly accurate representation of the general public.

It may look from all my posts that I'm very pro-iPhone, which isn't necessarily true. We can all agree that Apple has done many things right with their phone. I'm just interested in how it gained its popularity. If one were to see just how popular it was going to become and jumped on developing apps on it very early, there is a giant profit to be made here.

That's what I'm looking for-- what will peak in the coming years?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pjcforpres:
I agree with you in general here... I am looking into the future as much as possible as that is what you seem to be asking about... "what will peak in the coming years?"

I also agree that in general, the average user isn't syncing their phone with their computer and are looking more towards ease of use. That is why I tried, and maybe failed, to emphasis that WinMo needs to improve that aspect in order for it to pop as I believe it will.

WinMo as it is right now is not very user friendly. The UI is outdated and not touch friendly. Out of the box the phones are slow and cumbersome for the "trendy" market.

But in 3 years, I don't believe that will be true anymore of WinMo devices. I believe they will increase in speed, and thus useability. I believe the UI will become more friendly to the end consumer, especially the low tech end user that WinMo seems to miss out on.

This isn't to say there are no "non-techy" users of WinMo, there are plenty, probably more than are super techy like us. But even those "non-techy" WinMo users have a bit more tech knowledge than your average BB user.

Basically, what I am getting at is that in the long term, 3 years from now when you are graduating, 10 years from now, and so forth, WinMo has a brighter future than other platforms for the very reason it will integrate better, and its current downsides are easily fixed compared to other OS downsides.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] EmZvr:
Pocket PC's are not good with cameras, they don't have good battery life, 65 colors and no multitouch, not apps preinstalled, difficut for the average user, they don't handle games right (they are good games out there but they are old),no visibility under sun and on top of that the new models can't handle non converted videos (thanks god I have Asus P535)...

That's why the public doesn't like Windows Mobile. And 6.5 - Wow transperent bars and new start menu - nothing at all. The hope for Windows Mobile is Nvidia Tegra.. !
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
One thing I have trouble with is gauging how long it takes for things to happen. WinMo is behind on UI's, true, but is trying to be saved by 3rd party UI's like TouchFlo and TouchWiz. I think a lot of the problem is that WinMo DOES have the reputation of being slow and not user friendly. Of course, this reputation is due to the out of the box experience, which is very crucial.

But how long will it take for people to be comfortable with WinMo? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe most people are now buying WinMo phones that have custom UI's on top of them (HTC, Samsung, etc), and I think this will really help in the revival of WM as a "good" OS.

Now, Android is starting out with the initial impression that it is touch friendly, fast and customizable. WinMo is gonna need to dig itself out of the hole that is its own stereotypes, and I believe Android has the advantage BECAUSE of its initial impression.

Thoughts?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] pjcforpres:
All it will take for WinMo to shake the unfriendly touch experience stigma is 1 good marketing campaign, with an OS that matches the hype.

Android does have the "touch friendly" vibe out of the box because of the capacitive touchscreen, and that is a bit why WinMo devices have their stigma, because of the resistive touch screens. But the accuracy is increasing, there was a software displayed at MWC that had resistive touchscreens as accurate as capacitive, and so forth. They said it would be about a year before it was in the market.

And beyond that, even, capacitive touchscreens are said to be useable with WM 7 and supported fully. And don't forget the guy that has WM 6.1 working on an iPhone. So it is not like WM doesn't have the ability to work on a more touch friendl screen.

I guess what I am saying here is that WinMo is behind, and they do have that stigma, yes. But it won't be hard to overcome, as long as a WM device comes out that is touch friendly and they advertise it properly.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] daniel972:
Too Many Choices

There are many different mobile OS's out there and all are looking for developers so that they will become the "one". With several independent OS's out there (Windows, Android, etc) and and Manufacturer sponsored ones (iphone, rim, etc) it seems like a developer has to gamble on who they think will be the "winner". This appears to be the question asked by the originator of this thread.

If you dont want to gamble you may want to check out ZHMICRO. They have an IDE that you write your application one time and it can work on all these OS's.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
Yes, that is basically the question presented in this thread. Obviously there is a high amount of assumption and gamble that goes into developing for a single platform, and of course we would all like to be able to code efficiently for all platforms, but I don't know how plausible that is.

The question is basically which *do you think* is going to be the dominating OS?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Soul_Est:
I believe you should take a look at the G1's specs as the phone does NOT have a capacitive touchscreen but a resistive one. It's not a question of the technology but how the OS uses it which will determine the outcome of this 'OS War'.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] amb9800:
The T-Mobile G1 does have a capacitive touchscreen:

http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/16/t-mobile-g1-review-part-1-hardware/

It even has multi-touch support, though Google doesn't enable it by default due to patent issues (unlike MS, Palm, etc., they have no leverage (in terms of their own phone intellectual property) to implement features Apple has patents for, like multi-touch). If you search online, you'll see people have enabled multi-touch support in the G1.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] met3ora:
It's easy to see the potential in the OS', but I guess realizing its potential will be the deciding factor. I guess that counts on devs, though. How many people believe that WM6.5/7 will trump Android?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ajbopp:
Me. Android doesn't offer - or as near as I can tell, doesn't plan to offer - anything substantially improved for the general public. There is no "gee whiz" factor with Android for the average user, though there may be for geeks.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] richabi:
I was going to suggest WebOS myself. I think Palm got it down this time. Andriod has some major backing and I think will be a big player sooner or later. WinMo7 is supposed to be phenomenal also w all the hardware--software collaboration.

Just go with the flow. Play with all available and whichever you love the most focus on. besides, genius is created through passion. you won't strive to learn and master a skill that you don't love.
[Touch HD General] ICe051:
Hello,

I have strange problem, since today I cannot charge my HD while its being on, when I plug in usb charger nothing happens, i tried charging through PC usb port, and nothing happens.

I cannot even establish connection with a pc, don't get 3 choice menu (active sync, hdd, and nothing) on HD when usb is plugged in.

I suspected that the usb port is defected, but when the unit is switched off, it's charging even though there is no amber led on.

It has original rom and radio in it...

Did anybody had similar problem? The phone is under warranty, should I send it for repair?

Thanks in advance.
[Touch HD General] antrak:
Very weird. I would definately advise you to send it in for repair. I haven't heard of anything like this before :O.

Good luck!
[Touch HD General] frankw45:
Hi, I got the exactly same issue as you described today. Have you got it fixed?

Looking forward to your response.

Thanks,