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[G1 Android Development] fochizel2000:
A2DP Profile is important to me.

I voted for 4.9, but only because I like the aesthetics, and really want the A2DP bluetooth profile. If it is just as easy to get the look ported to 4.5 and get A2DP working in it, then I am all for that.

As a side note, I am sure that theme developers will create themes that look even better then what HTC put out, if that is worth considering. Really, the technical hurdles should be the top priority in my opinion.

Cheers, and thanks for all of your hard work!
[G1 Android Development] Baldyman1966:
Well since you asked

1. Above all the build should be 100% stable. No bootloops and no more crashes that a vanilla system gets.

2. Google apps, or at least the market.

3. The look of 4.0 may be acheivable by theme makers so is not vitale to the 5.0 build, but would be a bonus.

4. Working headphone socket, wifi and bluetooth at least to vanilla g1 standard.
[G1 Android Development] uberingram:
Well said. Function before form.

Google Apps/Sync

VK

Widgets

EXCHANGE

I could give a rats ass what it looks like.
[G1 Android Development] ariex:
i guess i will have to wait until the release of 5.0. i tried 4.0 its a little buggy/no google apps; 4.9 is buggy as well/no wifi however i heave not tried 4.5. speaking of 4.5, does all google apps working besides wifi? and will i have to update my radio as well unlike 4.9 which includes everything right?
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
i would hate for you to think you could port the aesthetics over and then you end up not being able to. But if you can port the 4.0/4.9 aesthetics over to 4.5 for sure, then 4.5 sounds good to me. i voted 4.9 though.
[G1 Android Development] Blk98Bird:
voted 4.5 because it is by far the most stable and seems like it would be the least work for you

that being said, I'd love to have exchange so the 4.9 build would be a plus if it's possible to make it a lot more stable

at the end of the day, choose the one you like the most and would have the most fun working on though. thanks for all your hard work!
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
4.5, but only on the proviso that it gets ported versions of the aesthetics, and apps and VK, of the HTC Build.

Also, it needs PDF Viewer and QuickOffice.

That said, I'd go 4.9 in a flash if you could stabilise it and put PDF and QOffice back in. (running 4.0 atm, as I need a stable build, but I would like Google Apps)
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
oh yeah, and the 4.9 keyboard is DEFINITELY more advanced, with its auto correction feature working more accurately then the 4.5 build. So if you can NOT port that to 4.5, then i think it would be dumb to use 4.5 for a base.
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
the vk isn't the only thing people want. 4.5 is much more stable and faster than 4.9. The browser is also better. Plenty of reasons to use 4.5 instead of 4.9 even if the vk isn't quite as nice as 4.9.

Who cares if 4.9 looks better if its so buggy and unstable..
[G1 Android Development] diaztradeinc:
I voted for 4.9 very sexy but more importantly i would rather have wifi/blue tooth and google apps more than anything else, so if there's not a full working build ill just go back to my jf rc33 1.42 with sweeter home app..:D
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
but the 4.9 VK is the one from 4.0, and that's stable. although i initially voted 4.5, I'm more of the opinion now that Kuro should work from 4.9, and stabilise it. At that point, essentially you have the important apps of 4.5 with the aesthetics of 4, and none of the instability that 4.9 currently has. Plus the newer (better) VK, and you're working from a more recent cupcake build.
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
4.0 isn't stable... 4.9 and 4.0 all have the same problems...

There are a ton of issues in 4.0/4.9 that don't exist in 4.5.

All documented here

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=498671
[G1 Android Development] LazyGenius:
come on ppl! the only reason 4.9 is kind of buggy is because it was rushed out to appease ppl who though Haykur0 was sitting on his ass(he said it himself.) im sure if he took his time (like he did with the other builds) then we could get the best of both worlds. stability and aesthetics.... and a an awesome vk lol....
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
yes but the point is that Haykuro is going to stabalise it and get rid of all the problems.

when this is done you'll essentially just have a more updated version of 'cupcake'.

i can't see any reason to go with 4.5 tbh...
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
I'm not sure if a lot of the issues in 4.0/4.9 are fixable. These are source code issues and I'm pretty sure haykuro isn't planning on modifying any source code.

4.9 is based off of an unstable/buggy build of cupake.

4.5 is based off of a stable build of cupcake.

Which means, unless he plans on moving some stuff from 4.5 to 4.9, a lot of the instability issues of 4.9 can't be fixed.
[G1 Android Development] chitownboi24:
4.5 all the way its amazing really all I need is the camera working and it's perfect
[G1 Android Development] LazyGenius:
have you even tried using the keyboard from 4.9 as a comparison? i promise you will like it more....
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
but surely if he couldn't stabilize it and get rid of the bugs, he wouldn't have offered it as a choice for 5.0? :confused:

i guess we need his perspective on this.
[G1 Android Development] chitownboi24:
Honestly I havent. I really just like the look of the google keyboard and the prediction is fine to me and besides its not that big of a deal because I still have a physical keyboard I can flip out...
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
Right, its not like we don't have a REAL keyboard. I mean I've used both vk keyboards from 4.5 and 4.9 and no matter how good it is, it still doesn't beat the real keyboard.

I do like the htc dialer app with the t9 keyboard, but if it doesn't sync with google contacts then I'd rather use the google dialer.
[G1 Android Development] LazyGenius:
there are 3 types of keyboards on the HTC build(QWERTY, T9, and Sure Type) im pretty sure that those options are not available for the Google build. if those things can be ported fine. 4.5 is cool with me... if not we should go 4.9...
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
does the 4.5 build have the cool window animations? i can't remember.

if not, we need those too :p
[G1 Android Development] tsalate:
i like the feel of 4 but i do need the google apps from time to time. dont like the google os at all though. what ever the out come of 5.0 I'm sure it will be good and cant wait to see it. thanks for all your hard work.
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
it does...
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
actually, to get real specific, they different. in 4.5, it just zooms out, and in 4.9 it does the zoomout and rock back and forth. As stated its all aesthetic though.
[G1 Android Development] jriley60:
wifi

i just want wifi. i don't care which build gets it..still voted 4.5 though.
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
I'm anxious to try out stereo BT. I listen to podcasts when I'm driving home from work and I'm always untangling a mess of wires when I want to plug in my headphones into the g1.
[G1 Android Development] jriley60:
what happens if there's a tie:);)
[G1 Android Development] djlucklu:
Basic wants for 5.0 if possible

1. New VK

2.Wifi

3.bluetooth

4.pdf and quickoffice

5. htc dialer

6.exchange

7.stability of course

dats all i want and need
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
do you mean quickoffice or quick office support? because he can't add the QuickOffice apk to the build because that's essentially theft. thats why he took it out.

all the rest i agree with :)
[G1 Android Development] andrews240:
@haykuro

The choices of 4.5 and 4.9 are the same equation.

The 4.5 option assumes that you can move all aesthetics from 4.0/4.9 to 4.5 to create 5.0.

The 4.9 option is based on you making 4.9 as stable as 4.5 to make 5.0.

I say do which ever is easiest for you. If making 4.9 stable is just as easy as moving the aesthetic over to 4.5, then I say flip a coin. The outcome is the same. If you can't move the aesthetics over, I choose 4.9.

Great work on all of the builds by the way.
[G1 Android Development] djlucklu:
yea i meant quick office support
[G1 Android Development] Pinesal:
Nobody cares about headphone support?
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
thats the main reason i've reverted back to RC9 untill this final build is released. theres no way i can get the bus to college tomorrow without any music :(
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
He could speak to moonspoon or stericson about a custom skinned default dialer. Just a thought. Won't be as sexy as the htc one but would still be hotter than the boring orbs...
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
How d'you figure that?

4.5's cupcake is based on the source tree at the time, only built so that people could get an early taste of the cupcake.

4.0/4.9's build is what HTC will be putting on thousands of Magics come launch day, so if it isn't a stable build, they'd be in trouble. As far as I can tell, most of the stability issues stem from the fact that, whatever similarities there may be, the Magic is not the Dream. And that (making the Magic build work on the Dream) was what Kuro was doing in the first place.

So, I really can't see how 4.0/4.9 could be a less stable Cupcake than 4.5.
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
What? Both builds comes from an htc magic. And both are pre-beta/beta images that aren't intended to go on released hardware. Have u even tried any of the images. Its completely obvious that 4.9 is way less stable than 4.5.
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
it's not that unstable. I could use it fine for day to day use. The only major things (for me anyway) it's missing is headphone support and wifi. appart from that i could live with it.
[G1 Android Development] manup456:
I like the both of them they both have quality's i like the keyboard for cupcake is better than the HTC keyboard. The dialer that can be pulled up and down is really cool,but ill take which ever one is complete and works without bugs. Again your doing a great job. :cool:

Oh the HTC icons are the best,and the 4.5 screen lock where you see the background is ill. :D
[G1 Android Development] Buster3616:
Wow, I really didn't think it would be this close (52 to 51 at the time of posting)
[G1 Android Development] Minker17:
I just want exchange. Leave everything the same for all I care, I just want working exchange like in 4.0.
[G1 Android Development] g1rocks123:
4.9 people!!!

Hey people vote for 4.9 its not stable bc haykuro rushed on it for us... its more better for awhole lot reasons oh and 4.5 doesn't have root. So vote for 4.9 don't vote 4.5 bc it has less features..... of course its up to yall but Im just making a point here ;)
[G1 Android Development] Buster3616:
We can have root on any build, it just wasn't included. 4.9 isn't stable, not because it was rushed, but because it isn't made for our hardware. 4.5 is gonna look like 4.9 but it will be far more functional and reliable. Haykuro will be porting everything he can, just not on the 5.0 build. 5.0 will be for bug fixes which he has mentioned a lot. After that I'm sure he'll continue his work.
[G1 Android Development] lstrike:
Actually in 4.5 it zooms out and pulses in and out. The 4.9 Rock is cool but it aliases.

If 4.9 can be made as stable as 4.5 I would prefer the newer version of Cupcake.

PS - aside from being upside down and the colors being off is anyone else a little surprised that the overall quality of the video is not terrible. I expected it to be really bad with the video acceleration issue. I heard Qualcomm had sorted all that out but is cupcake using video acceleration or is that still locked up?
[G1 Android Development] ei8htohms:
some decisions should not be democratic

Haykuro, we all really appreciate the hard work you've put in on this already, and the fact that you're willing to try to work on the build all of us want most says a lot about your character and priorities.

That said, no one understands the work you've been doing better than you do and probably very few will have a better understanding of the hurdles you're facing and what it will take to overcome them. That alone makes it critical that the decision ultimately be yours, but just as important is that you are inspired by the process so you can get your best work out. Go with your gut and to h*ll with all of us. We'll enjoy the results regardless.
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
Another thing to think about is there is no zoom or advanced features for the camera in 4.5.
[G1 Android Development] g1rocks123:
I go 4.9 ;)

Not to be rude but if 4.9 is buggy bc of hardware incompatibility then give me examples lol
[G1 Android Development] manup456:
I think the look of 4.0 is more current but the keyboard on 4.5 is better also 4.0 has two extra apps if you add the google apps,if 4.0 had all google apps 4.5 keyboard and it worked perfect it would be HOT!.

Either way its still going to be SWEET! :cool:
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
i dont get why anybody would vote for an old version of cupcake? This has been said by other users, but he will obviously make it more stable, or else 4.9 wouldnt even be an option? He'll at least make it as stable as he can, which with work will probably be more stable than it is now.
[G1 Android Development] g1rocks123:
4.9 all the wayy

Exactly my point lol

Look... we can eliminate 4.0 for no Google apps, so 4.5 is stable... so what lol it is limited in functionality and no root as well as not that much implements in giving It an HTC feel and I wouldnt like an old version of cupcake... which now leaves us to 4.9 this is the same as 4.0 with Google apps root and more features and functionality.. no maps? Haykuro said be might add it later or we could use Big Planet... he will most prob also include pdf reader if he can... so idk.you.decide but I will go with 4.9 ;)
[G1 Android Development] Buster3616:
When I put it on my phone, sometimes things would force close, or just not open for up to 10 sec. Maybe It was just my experience, if so I'll happily give it another shot. As far as 4.5 goes, I've been using it since it came out and it runs perfect.

Haykuro even said its unstable on page 1 of the original forum..."4.9: Rather unstable, google apps (slightly buggy, and no maps), no wifi/bluetooth, inverted camera, same build as 4.0. This build was a "i'm-not-sitting-on-my-ass" build for those of you who were complaining "
[G1 Android Development] Buster3616:
Agreed.........
[G1 Android Development] g1rocks123:
4.9 the whole way baby!!!

Yes true he said its unstable BUT back to my main point, 4.9 is buggy bc he rushed It for the complaining people out there... hence why its called the I'm not sitting on my ass build bc it wasn't complete when he released it lol
[G1 Android Development] TuXeyM11:
I voted 4.5 and here is why...

RELIABILITY!

STABILITY!

It WORKS!

Honestly the reason why I say 4.5 is because it is MEANT for google apps.

Example: You go into sync options and you see sync options for gmail/calendar/contacts.

Go into 4.9 and it has an exchange sync which doesn't even work, and NO options for gmail etc.

List of 4.9 Problems:

1.)No Wifi/Headset/Bluetooth/Camera

2.)Gmail notifications do not update, unless you go into the gmail app and hit refresh. I DOUBLE CHECKED THIS!

3.)Calendar does not work correctly.

4.)Maps do not work(and may never work).

5.)Radio Reboots/loss of connectivity.

6.)IF you do something it doesn't like, it crashes into an infinite reboot loop.

7.)You CANNOT write mail in gmail. The keyboard goes through an infinite tutorial loop.

8.)AWESOME VK

Those are just some of the problems which may NEVER be fixable.

However in 4.5:

1.)No Wifi/Headset/Bluetooth/Camera(FIXABLE)

2.)Gmail syncs correctly.

3.)Calendar Syncs correctly.

4.)Maps work correctly.

5.)Radio works fine!

6.)Does not crash ever/often.

7.)You can write in Gmail.

8.)VK is inferior.

9.)Looks are inferior.

Way I see it. If you can get the 4.0 VK on 4.5 somehow, magically, I am ALL for 4.5.

If you can get stability and sync/maps working on the 4.9 correctly, then I am all for 4.9.

That is all.

Do NOT build on something that is unstable. More workarounds and hacks make things MUCH less reliable.

It's like having a super advanced flying car, but it's a stick shift, and it stalls.

No use being advanced if you can't fly, and you die.

Weak analogy, but you get the picture.

My wish:

4.5 with 4.9 vk
[G1 Android Development] TheDudeOfLife:
Can I change my vote to 4.9?

Keyboard calibration suddenly put this guy in the lead.

Good work on the wifi/bt as well!!!

I just flashed loaded lastest 4.9 tand so far am very happy. I even got the email notification immediately. (we'll see about subsequent ones.) I just think the HTC build is more than just the pretty. There are a lot more options buried within the settings that I can't find on 4.5 (i loaded both today, twice to verify some differences) I'd love to see exchange eventually work, and I have a feeling 4.9 has a better chance than 4.5 seeing that it is based on 4.0 (am I correct in that assumption?)

I think you guys should give 4.9 another shot (unless you're die hard about maps)

Maybe it is my head making nonsense, but I think it actually is the better build once the bugs are flattened.
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
1. 4.9 is a rushed upgrade to 4.0, and 4.0 runs more stable for me than both the stock firmware and the JF firmwares. So the potential for stability is definitely there.

2. The original purpose of the project was to get the HTC Magic firmware running stably on a Dream. Considering that, 4.5 sounds like a bit of a backwards step to me.
[G1 Android Development] Ethanaxd:
edit i change 4.5 for 4.9 vote.

4.9 its based on newer release
[G1 Android Development] Gimpeh:
4.9 is the HTC build right? I'm all for it being upgraded to become stable and sexified!
[G1 Android Development] manup456:
With the new 4.9 posted i would say 4.9 all the way now.
[G1 Android Development] onlinemad:
i like build 4.9 because it has chinese IME. it is good for Taiwan's G1 user.
[G1 Android Development] funbacon:
I've never test 4.5 . But someone said that 4.5 is old cupcake (Google cupcake). I think the best way is bring all features from HTC Sapphire to HTC Dream. Please don't add anything, do not replace anything, I tested Google cupcake, it's suck. I don't know why Haykuro uses Google cupcake in 4.5.
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
we need him to clarify this tbh.

If most of these problems aren't fixable, then why would he offer it as a choice for the 5.0 build? it doesn't make sense :confused:
[G1 Android Development] chitownboi24:
you guys must really like that 4.9 keyboard. But im in love with the google one so whatever build is fine. I just want that google keyboard. I don't need the t9 keyboard that ppl keep talking about because like I said before it's not like we dont have a physical keyboard
[G1 Android Development] crater:
Since the wifi/bt fix I've been using 4.9 and it works great. So i voted it, the only issue I've run into is i have to manually tell it to sync my mail, and the calender sees my google calendars, but doesn't sync them, and i have no option to force it.
[G1 Android Development] manup456:
Yeah i think the google keyboard is better to,if they could add that to 4.9 it would be even better than it is already. Also in 4.9 when you call someone the slide up and down dial pad should be used in both the outgoing call as well as the normal dialer. But if i could get any of the dialers not to force close after i hang up would be fine with me.
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
I assume you mean 4.9/4.0 - it's definitely in those two.
[G1 Android Development] manup456:
Yeah thats what i was talking about to many builds lol....4.9 looks awesome cant wait for the final so i can start themeing the crap out of it. :D
[G1 Android Development] kylebrodeur:
I'm really digging the 4.9 version, I haven't really had any problems

except when you rotate the phone to the side that it is NOT supposed to open the rotate animation is upside down...but that's nothing don't bother fixing it just pointing it out.

The HTC build looks cleaner than the standard google appearance, the HTC dialer is slick but if it can not be done its ok.

Google Maps isn't important but it is good to have if possible same with IM but if it comes down with it maybe andnav will get their stuff together for a US server.

The boot screen "i'm in your /system...." if that can be changed to something more HTC or googlish that would be neat. I know it was a joke and it was very clever just asking if it could be done for a final clean build.

Paid Apps from the Market...If those are possible to get working with the 4.9HTC build along with root, busybox, and other usual JF like roms...

Note:This is not a demand to haykuro, I'm just pointing out my likes and dislikes and things I'd like in the 5.0 build...

If it doesn't get done, it doesn't get done, haykuro has done a great job so far and thats excellent.
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
Well well well

This is interesting... thus far, the majority of those who have posted are in support of 4.9, but the overall vote is 2 higher for 4.5.....

Should be fun to see how this ends!

*goes and gets popcorn*
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
alot of people switched their vote to 4.9, but you cant do that in the poll.
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
I DEMAND A RE-POLL!!!!!! :D

lol, i'm not really too fussed which one ends up getting used (although i would prefer the 4.9 build tbh :))
[G1 Android Development] mariamd.diaz:
4.9 all the way baby people keep voting, and when you vote, VOTE 4.9!!!! lol
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
i run 4.9, and i have paid apps.
[G1 Android Development] dwang:
do you see paid protected apps? I'm running the latest 4.5 and I see paid apps, but the protected ones don't show up. The market see's 4.5 as a dev build.
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
what is one?
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
AFAIK, 4.9 (and 4.0 if it had the market) are marked as non-dev, so it should work.

I believe QuickOffice is...
[G1 Android Development] hondamx525:
If he doesnt pick 4.9, what will i do with my 4.9 update Gloss Suite port?!?! :)

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=d633c33deb7d24f8d8f14848abf485dde04e75f6e8ebb871
[G1 Android Development] LazyGenius:
so 4.9 wins right??? he said it ends thurs right?
[G1 Android Development] ynghova187:
since the big argument over 4.9 and 4.5 was the look. it would have been cool is someone posted pics for both versions. since people like myself who havent downloaded either version and instead are waiting on the final build
[G1 Android Development] Psychedelic-Squid:
Actually, the look was a fairly minor point as haykuro has stated that he would be able to port most (if not all) of the 4.0/4.9 look to 4.5 if it was chosen.

Well, he may have meant the end of Thursday, in which case there are about 20 hours left. But I'm guessing he meant when he wakes up on Thursday, which should be 3 or 4 hours from now.
[G1 Android Development] Meltus:
4.5 looks just like the normal RC9/RC33/ADP firmwares we have already i believe. i could be wrong though.

i'll look for some screenshots, i'm sure someone posted a few somewhere.

heres a few 4.0/4.9 screenshots, but i think there are more

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3536610&postcount=72

found em :) that took way too long lol.

These are screenshots of the 4.0 build. 4.9 i pretty much the same but the dialer and contacts are different.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3541640&postcount=488

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3541646&postcount=489