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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
Actually my interpretation of the difference between us is that I see the DPAD as wasted space and you see it as, at a minimum, desired functionality. I don't want it to be there so that I can ignore it, I want it to be gone so that I don't have to be reminded of it everytime I look at the screen and mourn how much larger it could be :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Poke_N_PDA:
Not true, you could do it on the TP2 if you lost the zoom bar. Also, I think a better/higher quality implementation like the original TP would be perfect. Continuous scroll/zoom and the functionality of the DPad. All that with the same size screen. Now that may not be the case on the HD, but it is on the TP2.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jamespaulritter:
I have the Fuze and so far I havent missed the dpad to much,,,,, you see the dpad is all for looks and not for function so it is worthless to even try to push left or right to navigate a cursor threw text. I think the crappy dpad on the fuze was designed to give us a taste of what it would be like to own a "dpad-free" Touch Pro II.

If you need to navigate and can't do it easily by touching the screen you could use the directional keys on the qwerty. However I do prefer a device with a good 5-way dpad.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
Idoubt it will cause they are trying to make the os more touch frendly
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josefcrist:
not having a dpad will be a deal breaker for me. i totally hate having to do everything with the screen. i would be 10x better if the tp2 was longer and had a dpad and 2 softkeys plus windows and ok keys.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
Sounds like you'd prefer a non-touch screen device anyway.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sonus:
I'm reading his responses as someone who realizes that he doesn't have an iPhone or Android device interface, and knows quite well that Windows Mobile navigation is hampered w/o a DPAD. The OS just wasn't designed for it...call me when 7 arrives, then I'll embrace the no-DPAD trend.

Is WM navigation w/o a dpad possible? Yes

Is WM naviagation w/o a dpad faster? Definitely not
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
No, I don't think I can agree with that. Even with 6.0 it doesn't take a lot of effort to get a front end GUI and the right applications to make the DPAD superfluous. I spent a bit of time tinkering with my Vogue to achieve this (cost me $20 and about 5 hours from beginning to end), and I understand the latest/greatest TouchFlo is supposed to take "finger friendly" to a new level as well. The OS has very little to do with it, since it was designed such that it's not all that difficult to put a different set of pictures and gestures on top of it to do what you want.

I'll admit that I use the DPAD when I write to go back and correct a typo, but it would hardly be a burden if I didn't have that ability. Otherwise the DPAD, even on a phone as ancient as mine, is useless, and the stylus is only good for soft resetting the device on the rare occasion it needs it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sonus:
Well, I watched your video, and you still have tiny check boxes, tiny plus signs for drop downs, and programs that are not very touch friendly with customized thin scroll bars (i.e. SBSH, and your file browser). Yes, you can make it work, by using the edge of your nail etc., but the OS even with your modifications or HTC's in the form of the latest Touch Flo, still isn't truly ready for seamless interaction without a DPAD.

That being said, clearly, your system works for you. But it could never work for the majority of people as do the DPadless iphone and G1.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jonnrb:
The fact is that a D-Pad takes up space that could be used by screen real-estate. The huge clunky buttons on them are quickly getting replaced by gestures that are twice as accurate. The main reason the iPhone doesn't use a D-Pad is because it doesn't need one. Everything on it can be accomplished by flicking the finger up or down accordingly. This also makes navigating long lists less tiresome. On a D-Pad, you are pressing and holding the down button for a minute just to get to the bottom of the list of your SMS conversations. With the extra screen size, longer, more precise gestures can be accomplished making these simple tasks easier. Also, when you have the keyboard open on D-Pad phones, there are two D-Pads being shown. One on the keyboard and one on the outer shell wasting lots of room. HTC and Microsoft are including very finger friendly, gesture sensitive phones in the next generation of their software making D-Pads not only useless, but obsolete.

I have been living with the beta version of Windows Mobile 6.5 for about a week now and I find I am using the D-Pad less and less on my Sprint Touch Pro. Come to think of it, I'm not using the devices buttons much at all! Microsoft has taken great leaps in improving the usability and speed of Windows Mobile on touchscreen devices by including support for kinetic scrolling (which is beautiful in most apps and terrible in others), gesture based navigation (left to right and right to left flicks to move between system tabs), and many new productivity features (new lock screen, home screen, honeycomb menu) to make it amazing on my Pro. The fact that HTC is throwing TouchFlo on top of this makes it an even greater iPhone slayer and in my opinion makes the Rhodium the best phone to be released this year.

Well. There's my ten pence ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
I have never had to use the edge of my nail to use a control. Indeed, being a habitual nail-biter, it's not even an option for me :D Scroll bars, check boxes and radio buttons are pretty easy to use with the fingertip. I could do without the drop downs in the Calendar program, but they do not exactly require a stylus or DPAD to use them. Even for the majority of people. ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josefcrist:
well i use the dpad plus touch screen most of the time. also gaming would not be the same with out the dpad.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bugsykoosh:
you can play games ok so far without a dpad... need for speed and xtrakt work using the accelerometer and you can change a config file to get more to work: http://www.fuzemobility.com/need-for-speed-gsen-enabled-now/
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Poke_N_PDA:
I don't think gaming is a big deal since you've got the keyboard. You just have to be willing to open the thing up.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DarkHorse:
I don't care about the dpad...

I'll just use the d-arrows on the qwerty keyboard like I'm using on my hermes when the keboard is open
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Mr.Sir:
Lol why would I use a laggy program to get the G-Sensor working with NFS UC when there is an official release with Sensor support? :P But you can always use it for other games.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ajbopp:
I've thought of one application I occasionally use that might have an issue without a DPAD. Conduits PocketArtist uses the Enter button to change the behavior of some of its tools. It makes the ellipse tool draw a perfect circle for instance. If one of TP2's buttons does not replicate the Enter or Action button as they call it, then that will limit PocketArtist's usefulness.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bogdatov:
HD and d-pad

I have HTC HD ... and initially I missed d-pad (had HTC Wizard before). But now ... it is OK. I do not use TF3D. I installed SPB Mobile Shell and FingerSuite and for regular navigation - I'm all set. Can control everything with just fingers.

But ... games are different story. There are not many real games that are designed for devices w/o d-pad. Since TP2 has hard-kbd it is less issue then with HD. Still ... I could play Doom on my Wizard in portrait mode w/o kbd opened :)

But do not worry about general (!!!) navigation w/o d-pad. In a month you wont even notice.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] codybear:
I personally never use the dpad,

well only in like 2 games.

but I hardly play those games anymore.

So when I upgrade to the touch pro2 I will not miss the dpad one bit.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
Wow that really is amazing
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mskip:
So does the Touch Pro 2 have exactly the same functionality as the ipod touch in that you could play driving games by holding the phone like a steering wheel and tilting left or right to steer? Or play say the gravity table games where you tilt the screen to move a marble around a maze? I love this on the ipod and would love it more if its part of the Touch Pro 2 :D
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] compewter:
Scroll wheel woes

I guess I can live without the d-pad and softkeys... touchflo3D and WM6.5 hopefully will have a gentle adapting curve and make many of the requirements for buttons unnecessary. I still think the lack of the scrollwheel and side-mounted OK button will suck though... I use those all the time to pan through messages with one hand, and rotate through applications as needed. Comes in handy when smoking and driving... not enough hands!

I'm really not worried about games, I haven't honestly played one on a WM device since my WinCE Cassiopeia. My main concern will be the ability to easily navigate from one app to another with limited input abilities.

I won't be sad to see that f'ing memo button go, however. Can't tell you how many times I've either hit that by accident and had the voice dial menu come up right when I'm trying to open something else quickly.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
If they make touch flo alot better than we can just scroll with our finger instead of the scroll wheel and I think that was the main point of the phone to take windwos mobile's weakest point- and focus on it so much that it exels past everyone else, and I think that is good because that is all it is lacking and it has many othere thing other os's dont have.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rassah:
What ever happened to tilting slightly up and down to scroll up and down? Or would that require a side button to make it useful, too?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sonus:
Theoretically yes, actually no. HTC doesn't provide the API for programming the accelerometer, and there is no standardisation from MS as to how manufacturers should implement the accelerometer either. So you see, every manufactuer has a different implementation, and thus if you make an accelerometer game, it will ONLY supporty HTC phones, or ONLY support Samsung phones, etc. Hence, these games don't exist in great numbers or quality due to their limited appeal.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] patterns:
you will struggle at first without D-pad coming from it to touch screen only.

Ive had lots of HTC's and i really struggled from diamond to HD. i sold my first HD, then went back to it, then sold it again for diamond! but after going back the diamond by that time i had got used to using the touch screen and found the diamond too small.

ive now got an iphone waiting for the touch pro 2 and to be honest with you i dont need or miss d-pad, BUT it is nice to have both.

Touch pro 2 with a htc cruise d-pad wheel and buttons would be perfect! or a scroll wheel like the blackberrys

however you do get over not having a D-pad - EVENTUALLY ;)

p.s. i still prefer htc's over iphone ALL day Long!! But wow is this iphone smooth and responsive!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Master_H:
totally agree. I also do not want to work with a device without D-Pad and the 2 Softkeys.

I hope there will still come new devices WITH these things.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] schizo:
me too...

it's one of reason i choose SEX1 and skipped Touch HD, even while I still drooling on its superfluous screeen....

however, duh, SEX1 doesn't have arrows on its keyboard, duh, i still have to reach the d-pad to move the cursor... very unergonomic...one critical flaw on itself.... and yes, the keyboard is retarded (coming from ex hermes and kaiser user)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] frozenbutt:
Well for someone that reads newsgroups on my phone which I do a lot every day the d-pad or a scrollwheel will be greatly missed. I also read ebooks on my titan and I don't know how I would do it without the scrollwheel. I have found that flicking the screen with my finger usually goes further than I want to go or not far enough.

Maybe I can remap the volume buttons on the side for page up and down...
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vdKarel:
I also quite miss the d-pad. When I read my email and I'd like to delete a lot of spam I usually went down to the spam message using the dpad en then hit "Delete" as a softtouch key.

Now I have to use the touchscreen en hold it on the email to pop open a menu and then click delete. Takes a second longer. In a day this could mean more than a minute of work! :)

I do now wish to pop out the keyboard every single time I want to read email. This just REALLY takes too long.

@Frozenbutt: I'd also like to see this, a remapping of the volume keys. But when I am in the home screen they should have their original functionality.

EDIT: After doing some searching I found the program AE Button. It allows you to remap (almost) all keys. Now have it set that the volume keys are used for scrolling. Double clicking the volume keys will increase / decrease the volume.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] thedudelasse:
I agree. flicking your finger through the posts can be awkward.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] vdKarel:
What do you mean? I never view the emails in the little envelope. I immediately click on "More" to see a complete overview of my mails. If in the email section one of the soft-touch buttons would be "Delete" then perhaps I'd view in the envelope view.

And flicking my finger through posts doesn't help if there is a list of let's say 8 emails. 8 emails fit on one screen and I can't scroll through them using my finger. Stil have to click+hold to delete.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] herbys:
> The fact is that a D-Pad takes up space that could be used by screen real-estate. The huge clunky buttons on them are quickly getting replaced by gestures that are twice as accurate.

All very nice in theory. But the fact is that there ARE many apps that REQUIRE a D-pad. And most of those don't accept keyboard arrows as a replacement, as those are two different input mechanisms. Take the Garmin Que software for example. You simply can't navigate the map without a d-pad. It just doesn't take screen gestures. And it isn't the only app.

So if HTC had made a tiny, software based d-pad in the middle of the zoom button it would not require any additional space, but would allow existing apps to work. In the long term we all agree that screen gestures are a better solution, but the fact is that there's software that exists today that's useful and that requires a d-pad, and I don't think that discarding all those apps because you think they don't use your preferred input method is reasonable.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] khaytsus:
I know this is an old post, but I gotta..

You know the Fuze *has* a dpad, right? It sucks, but it does.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gliscameria:
Urrrghhh

I'm not liking the device so far. I love the display, but lordy does it seem slow compared to my tytn. Then again, I only got my titan because of I remember you guys here from my vx6700. I'm thinking I'll love the phone once I can flash it up and get wm6.5 on it. I abused the D-pad on the old one, but I'm not going to be an old cranky man and ***** about it. It seems the D-pad is going by the wayside, just like trackballs ;[

I'm having so much trouble using this phone... I just want to scroll not select random crap!!! I'm hoping a rom release will grab the left side and let me use it as a scrollbar. That would be a HUGE help.

I miss my D-PAD. WAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!! Seriously, I miss it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] loaferkan:
lol now that would very stupid to compare this phone with Iphone! unless you are born stupid. Don't take it personally but I had someone and I compared my tilt, with his new Iphone 3G...really 3G, well tilt started as 3G, build in AGPS, oh really? and all of the many software and the way you want to customize it...shouldn't this be an apple thing? but hey screw them. I had an Iphone I gave it to my sister...seriously that thing was not made for Man. Now HTC touchpro 2! forget to even compare it. It's so great....I got everything I need...and yesterday I was in class with my laptop...the school internet stopped working..guess what, I put out my TP2 out, got it hooked as WIFI, now I was the only one had internet. Oh I had a PP presentation...I took up and used it as a mouse, everyone was like cool....yup the professor was writing stuff on the board, and all I did was took pictures and spend more time learning my stuff. On the way back I used my G-sensor game, and everyone on the train was just couldn't stop looking at it...wait I had to text my wife, pull out the keyboard, and damn I was there....oh and I did I say I was able to use MS words, and all the office software...oh by the way I was able to take out the memory card, and insert it into my laptop to upload the lecture's picture there, so I can write some notes....what else? I will talk about my work use later!:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] mschaffer:
Scroll wheel!

I miss both the scroll wheel and the D-pad on my TP2.

It's been a few months now, but I realize that I miss the scroll wheel much more. I am getting used to the touch pad not being there, but I do have the arrow keys on the slide-out keyboard.

When the phone is closed, though, I really wish the scroll wheel was there. With my Kaiser, the scroll wheel was so wonderful to have.

Alas. I can live without the scroll wheel, as long as I look at the beautiful screen on the TP2!:)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sniczz:
Missing D-pad

Either everybody has just accepted the reality of a missing D-pad or maybe you've found a solution, but here something I did that might help someone.

I used tarkim's Rhodium keyboard remapper (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=554240&highlight=remap+buttons) and changed my "Windows" and "Back" buttons to my left and right arrows, respectively. After thinking about it, those buttons seem redundant to me. My Start menu is always on the upper left, I don't use the "back" button and the "end call" key always brings you back to your default screen.

There's also the "voldpad" (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=550973 - found under utilities) on Skyler17's useful cabs post, you can use to remap your volume rocker as well, but you can probably use the key remapper to do the same.

I'm still trying to mess with the configuration to have the left and right buttons emulate up and down on a long press. If I can get that working my D-pad problem will be solved!

Hope this helps.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Poke_N_PDA:
First off. I agree with you that the TP2 is prefered for nerds like us.

That said, I was comparing the screens!!!!! I used the iPhone as a comparison because it's so common and has a wonderful and large screen. Yes, I prefer the TP2. I now own the sprint version. However, there are areas the iPhone has over it and only fanboy's refuse to admit it (not saying that's you, general statement).
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] cproaudio:
Take a look at yourself before blasting other people. In his post he's comparing the TP2's screen size to iphone's screen size and their physical appearance. Theres no reference to software functionality. Next time read the whole post first and not judge what the post is about by looking at the picture.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] player911:
Coming from a Dpad it is hard to adjust. The Fuze's crappy Dpad has led me to avoid using it. So I think I wouldn't miss it. Most of the apps I've came to use are finger friendly and thus no need for a dpad.

With the addition of WM6.5.1, the dpad has become almost obsolete. There are lots of games that require a dpad though and unfortunately the resistive screen doesn't allow for a dpad style overlay on the screen like the iPhone.

The HD2 (Leo) might change this. We'll see.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MC King S:
HEy Guys,

I've just flashed my touch HD using the hard SPL then onto Dutty's Extrem Rom 1.8 and when the flashing was done, each time i turn on the device it says :mad:

"This concludes the beta test of this software release. Thank you very much for your time and effort in helping make this a great product for our customers"

"To obtain a newer release or further information, please revisit the web site that you used to obtained your current beta software"

Thing is, I can't do anything at all when the screen shows up at the start.

:mad::confused::(

Please help.

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] MC King S:
Anyone

Please anyone out there:(:(:confused::confused:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lemat1:
im afraid ur a little late in the day for that rom, it was a test rom that expired back in feb. You need to re flash to another rom, if you want to stick with dutty, find his website (via google) and sign up to access his download section. 2.3 is the latest rom from him i think

good luck

Mat
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] antrak:
Don't know if you used it but the search function is quite handy. The topic has been discussed alot already, try using the term ''time bomb'' and you'll see what I mean. :p
[Touch HD General] Elcs:
Had this phone for 5 days now, LOVE it to pieces having come from the wonderful for its time LG Viewty.

Got GPS working, WiFi... used the HD Movie Converter, installed an MSN/Yahoo Messenger program and many other wonderful things.

But I now have a problem:

Under Power Settings I have my phone set to dim the screen after 30s and to lock/shut it off after 1 minute. Settings are set similarly for whether the phone is on Battery power or External power.

The screen will dim appropriately but the screen with not automatically lock or shut down as it has done previously. The only thing I have modified today has been adding HTC GPS Tools to my phone which I dont think would matter.

I did 'quick' search but to no avail. If its a common problem turning up in a search, I do apologise. Thank you in advance for your support as I have already used a lot of it before signing up.
[Touch HD General] Elcs:
Fixed.

Uninstalled the GPS tool and reinstalled it. Screen now fades then locks appropriately.

Odd :)
[General Questions and Answers] mssmison:
I'm hoping someone can help me with this. we use 10 digit dialing where I live and everytime a dial a number in the form of ***-***-**** it places a 1 in the front. No big deal for local calls but to dial a number in another nearby city here costs me nothing unless I dial the 1. Than it's long distance.

I've checked area code everywhere I can but can't figure out what's causing it.

Any ideas?
[XPERIA X1 General] otakuspeedvibe:
I just checked out SE download section for panels, and noticed 2 new ones ive never noticed before. SPD weather and SPD travler.

Seems like you have to 17$ a piece for them too.

ignore this, if they have always been there
[XPERIA X1 General] darthmelk:
They are old, when you installed those programs you also got the panels. But now they added them to the SE website too.
[Touch GSM General] Martin25:
im sure you all know the my mobiler program to control your ppc/pda from ur computer http://www.mtux.com/

well i bring you a elfin skin !

it needs lil more work.. need to get rid of the pink bits and im gunna move the call/end call buttons down in the right place when i can :)

enjoy my lil elfs !
[Touch GSM General] Capovich:
esta calidad, very god.