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[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SSJ_Gomike:
I doubt it and that makes me sad :(

No one will be able to replace you ivan

As for issues, every phone is different, you have said it yourself...

Some are having problems with v11, yet i love it and have no problems...

The opposite with v17 for me...

Same with overclocking....some can go as high as 300, some cant go over 240, mine slows if i overclock it at all.....

The there are some that are still using v3 lol....cuz they think that version is best...and for their phone maybe it is....

So think about the fact that even is some versions are working for others or not, all of us have a JustHome ROM made by you and would not use any other.....i know i wouldn't ;)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
Ill cook the next 6.5 rom.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mv:-):
I only have the weather panel and that is the one that Twolf's multiplugin is using. With JustHome v11, I've had no problem with the panels/plugins that I installed. I'll see if I can replicate your issue -- will try installing ATContacts and CVolume.

---> Result: OK, installed both CVolume (beta6.9, on Storage Card) and ATContacts (v0.98, on main memory--won't allow me to install on card). So far, so good. Both plugins working along with Twolf's Multiplugin (beta1.6). I installed both plugins when Twolf's MP was already installed (you mentioned that MP corrupts the other panels "everytime I installed the Multiplugin").

Could it be that MP was installed after these plugins were installed? Try installing MP first.

Could it be the plugin versions you are using? Check.

See screenshots of CVolume and ATContacts installed and selected, with MP in condensed view (topmost plugin, customized).
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] elazullizard:
Ok thank you. This is really the only thing that keeps me from using JustHome. I actually just switched back to JustStablev2 again...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Development halted:

My laptop's Windows took a dump.

After installing an SDK, the computer BSOD's in every mode (safemode, last known good config, etc.)

I'm gonna use my linux partition to attempt to back up all my data and reinstall windows, but I'm going to be a little on the busy side for a while to be able to fix it...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
U know why ur Windows computer crashed? Because Ivan didn't cook it! Man Ivan, I hope you can get all your kitchen info back.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
lol. Actually, it's a custom nlited version of windows XP that I created.

It seems that today is not a good day for my laptop...

My XP failed when I attempted to install the palm pre sdk (I wanted to see what I could port over to the G1.)

Earlier this week, I started to realize that my battery went from lasting 2 hours, to barely lasting one in the last few days...

And now, my dog chewed through my power cable so I can't even charge it.... >.<

So, I'm out of commission entirely until I buy a new power supply. I can use my desktop (which is much more powerful than my laptop) but I can't, since I do my cooking at work. I'm barely ever at home. >.<

EDIT: Nice... Linux will not copy certain files in my kitchens.... Apparently, they're set as system files (which they are... in windows mobile...)

So, I have to create a Bart CD now...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
Sorry to hear about your laptop guy. That sucks. Ivan? I was wondering if it would be possible to get an older build of 6.5, preferably the ones with the honeycomb still enabled, and if its possible to extract the Files, images etc. And imbed them into one of your builds? Wud it be that simple or require more than just that?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's very simple, but not necessary, as others have already done that and released honeycomb packages. ^_^
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] elazullizard:
Sorry to hear about the debacle concerning your laptop (although it is a bit ironic that despite you cooking your own xp, it still crashed...) But here's hoping that you get something worked out! The Herald forum's going to be veeery lonely if you decide to leave...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] bishoprnpb:
ivan,you know we will all be lost with out you from all the nobies to all cockers.you are the reason we all look on this damn website for update.sorry for all this but seriously it would really be ****y with out you. there i said it.if you do leave i would thank you form the bottom of my htc herald .claude
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
The HoneyComb is back!

Ok, look at this guys. With a few searches here and there I managed to come across the correct files needed to bring the honeycomb back! Have a look. I dont see why MS even threw this idea out the window. I thought it made 6.5 feel even more flashy. "I know there was already a cab for the honeycomb, but the hexagons didnt have that much color to them, like these do. Plus i think these look alot better anyways."
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Eh, I don't like it that much. Personal oppinion. But I think apreincher had that cab up on his New Cab Collection, yea, right at the bottom of that page. Maybe I should put it up on The Wingster, too.

Ivan, if you get ur computer and your data all back, then ur the boss, man.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
wallpaper

i know this is stupid but i cant changed my wallpaper im using justhomeV11
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kemberdog:
hey ivan i was wondering if you new anything about making the bottom and top bars go away so that we could have a fullscreen wm6.5, cause all the notifications thats up there are on the homescreen
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
But how do you get to Contacts then? The bottom bar is pretty necessary, but yea, I could see the top bar disapearing on the home screen. Not sure if it can be done easily though.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kemberdog:
hmmm.... you gotta point

but maybe he could get rid of just the visual aid but keep the button functions
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Yea, maybe more of a transparent look to the bars, but that's just changing the theme, which he could probably do really easily. Also, you can change the theme pretty quickly yourself, it just involves finding the right pictures and changing them.

Has anyone noticed the highlight effect that happens when you press the X button? Try tapping it with your stylus, and you'll see the highlight. I never noticed it before v17.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] samthu:
Hey ivan great job on v17, sorry about your laptop hope you get it running soon. Does any one have a problem with WIFI? i can't get my WIFI to turn on.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
On v11? I think WiFi worked fine then. Try turning on WiFi twice, that's how Ivan's old ROM's used to work, I remember.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] samthu:
Sorry i meant to say on V17...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Oh, idk, I haven't tried it, and I'm already using f1rick's ROM, so I can't try it now.

Anyone confirm that WiFi does not work on v17?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adelco93:
wifi works perfectly fine on mine, runnin v17
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] zcink:
OMG ........... Is the sliding snooze button gone on V17?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ElCapoNo1:
HEY,

I NEED YOUR HELP!

SINCE I RESTARTED MY PHONE IT DOESNT SHUT ON:eek::eek:

I HAD INSTALLED THE FINGER KEYBOARD 2.1 ON THE MAIN STORAGE THEN I HAVE DEINSTALLED FINGER KEYBOARD 2.1 BUT THE DEINSTALLATION DONT WORK CORREKLTLY:confused: THEN I WANT TO RESTART MY PHONE BUT NOTHING WORK.

MY PHONE ONLY SHOW ME THE BOOT PICTURE FROM CANONYANG "NOW YOU ARE HARDSPL" BUT NOTHIN ELSE.

PLEASE HELP

THANK YOU
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Re-flash it. Or hard-reset your phone.

To hard-reset: Hold down the left and right soft buttons, and while holding those two buttons, press and release the soft-reset button (keep holding the two soft keys) and then once you see a new screen appear, release all the buttons, and follow the instructions there.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ElCapoNo1:
Thanks Works Fine:)

I have made what you have sad. Then i came to a Screen with a Background of 3 Stripes Red Green and Blue or so.

Then i have connected my Phone with the PC. On my Phone stands now on the bottom left: "USB"

Then i have flashed my ROM and now works my Phone!!!:):):):eek::eek:

THANK YOU VERY MUCH "ace10134"

Good Night
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SSJ_Gomike:
Yup! Does it on v11 i'm running now and did it on v10....

First time i saw it i re-aligned my screen, but did not change...only notice it with stylus lol
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
question for ivan. is justhome = to juststable now?

hi ivan, I'm on my phone now so it's hard to read this whole thread. I see you have released justhome v17.

can you, or anyone else here, give a brief rundown of how good justhome has become.. compared to juststable? ...

. is it as fast in launching apps, and navigating, as juststable?

. is it now "stable enough" to run reliably all day for regular basic functions like phone calls, adding contacts, running opera mini, google maps, scrolling thru picture folder, running a music player, viewing calendar entries, using the video camera?

. is the navigation experience from winmo6.5'a finger-sized menu elements significantly better than juststable's best-possible-tweeking of font sizes?

. as for storage space, I still dont experience the specific gains when you have an extra 5 or 10mb... or I can never tell if that improves the load time and multi-tasking of apps. so, this question is: is the storage space appreciably that different between justhome and just stable?

. finally, would you feel comfortable yet to actually recommend justhome over juststable for the app suite I listed above?

thanks for any feedback!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Well, JustStable is going to be faster and run apps better because JustHome is a memory hog. Windows Mobile 6.5 takes wayy more RAM and power to run, so if you want something fast, then get JustStable. But JustHome has a better interface, due to Windows Mobile 6.5, and it's pretty awesome.

It should launch apps equally, but JustStable should be a lil faster if anything. You can multitask on JustStable wayy better, and can run lots more apps at the same time on JustStable, due to the extra RAM.

It's always been stable enough to run on a daily basis. I use my phone as a phone each day, and it's worked perfectly since v3. So yes, have no worries running it on your primary phone!

The navigation is much better on JustHome, due to Windows Mobile 6.5. The soft menu's are more finger friendly, and the scrolling works even better, the start menu is truly finger friendly, etc. It's more finger friendly. Multitasking is probably better on JustStable though.

If you mean "Storage Space", then that's just the amount of free space to install programs on your phone. You probably use a storage card, so it doesn't really mater. Now, if you mean RAM, then that is what your phone uses to run programs. If you want to multitask, then you want more free RAM. Also, programs like Opera Mobile require lots of RAM. JustStable will give you the most RAM, hands down.

I would definitely recommend it, Windows Mobile 6.5 is really fun to use, and JustHome was cooked really well by Ivan, so it all works nicely. You should find that you like it for daily use. If you want to run high-level programs or multitask to the extremes, then JustStable would be better for you.

And finally, I require you to visit this page if you haven't yet.

Look at everything JustHome here: http://thewingster.com/justhome.aspx

And for JustStable: http://thewingster.com/juststable.aspx

I have lots of info about Ivan's ROM's there. Hopefully it saves you from reading through the entire thread!

Ask if you have more questions,

Andrew
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
1. Storage on these builds is the only thing that is questionable, but as much as i used 6.5 i really didnt see anything that would make me stop using 6.5. The only thing i can think of is when Skyfire didnt open and that only happend like twice within 4 months. So memory is 7 out of 10. Im using 21222 and have about 27mb and drops down to about 18mb on a days use. With of course my personal edits ;).

2.Yes using 6.5 has a much better navigation experience. Due to everything being touch friendly. I've tried to go back to 6.1 but it aint happening! It just isnt the same. Yeah you can tweak 6.1 roms to have bigger text, but 6.5 has sliding gestures, bigger menus and it looks way nicer than any lame 6.1 rom.

3. Ever since the first release of 6.5 it's always been usable. People just dint like that it was slow and didnt do everything they where used to. I'm using build 21222 and really to be truthful i cant tell a big difference between this and the 218xx build. But yes i'd imagine it be usable to your needs.

4. Launching apps is reasonable, i mean how fast do you want it to be? I cant telll the speed difference between this and just stable. So launching apps is quick. especially if you can find and install NETCF V37!

5. I feel very comfortable suggesting ANY of Ivans 6.5 roms as they really dont have as many bugs as other people say. And i just cant think of going back to 6.1 ever!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adelco93:
yea just like he said, itz not the fastest rom in th world but itz definitly faster than a lot of people make it out to be.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
Micro

is it possible to make this rom micro if it is how can it be accomplished and thanks
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Start -> Settings -> Today, and uncheck Windows Default.

It's already pretty lite, I don't think it can get much more micro than that.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
hahaha no i mean a MICRO version of the rom
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
This is basically Micro already. Just think about it, what has Ivan really added? Just the notification enhancement, volume enhancement, Opera Mini, and a few other small things.

But I think Ivan might consider releasing a Micro version, that is if he keeps on cookin'.

Idk, you could ask Ivan if you can borrow his kitchen and his ROM files, and cook your own version, but right now, Ivan's computer is down, so he has to recover those files for himself, first.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Andrew: I will use your post reply as an example of the highest value response one can make at XDA. You addressed every single question, giving me every piece of information I was looking for. Thank you very much. In one post you saved me days perhaps weeks of searching & inquiring.

Given what you have said, I will stick with JustStable because multi-tasking (multi-apps-open) is required for my usage. Also, even though it bears no resemblance to the 6.5 finger-friendly menu interface, my font & style tweeks to JustStable greatly improve standard navigation... to a point where I can easily navigate all menus with fingertips even when driving.

(I will come back and insert a few screen shots for evaluation).

=============================

And as for this:

Are you kidding me? hah hah, that's where I went FIRST today when looking for info! you've done such a kickass job with thewingster.com, that it is on my speeddial bookmarks in OperaMini !

Thanks again for great answers -- a big help to me!

And a shout out to JustIvan, wherever he may be ...!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nationalicon:
v17 on Herald

When I play audio tracks w/ Media Player or CorePlayer, the device shuts off after a few minutes if unattended, regardless of my Power settings. Does anyone know how to prevent this from happening? The same thing occurred on v10 and v11.

I liked the way the smaller Start Menu icons looked on v10. Several of my icons don't scale well, and look quite pixelated. Is there an easy way to change the size of the Start Menu icons?

I put all my shortcuts in a sub folder in the Start Menu. This seems to free up some RAM. I think it's because it doesn't get 'used up' by loading all the icons.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
So your music pauses when the screen turns off, right?

If so, then I've tried fixing this before, but for some reason, the registry edits don't work on these newer builds. What you can try is this other music player that is really nice, called Nitrogen: http://thewingster.com/nitrogen.aspx It has a power button that you can see in the first screenshot. Just click that, and your phone's screen will turn off but music still plays! Windows Media Player also has a screen toggle feature like that, or I bet you can find some other software that will do it for you.​

Or is it that you don't want your phone's screen shutting off, even though you set the power settings?

Idk about that, maybe CorePlayer has some options that control that, check it's settings screen out and see if you can find anything on it.​
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nationalicon:
I can play music with the screen off easily enough, the problem is that after a few minutes the device shuts off (standby mode), so the music stops. The same thing happens w/ TCPMP, CorePlayer, and WMP, regardless of whether the screen is on or off while playing. It's frustrating that I can't play music for more than a few minutes at a time if I don't touch the device. As I mentioned, I had the same problem with v10 and 11. I never had this problem with any of the roms I used in the past, so it's likely it's a WM6.5 thing.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
yea man thanks for sure ill asked him for that man thanks man and ur site is the bomb n i got a question what phone do u recommend me getting my 2 year contract is almost over :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Hah, my contract is over too! (It was a 1 year - Raytheon discounts) So, I recommend the HTC Touch Pro 2, it's scheduled to come out on July 22nd, so we've all heard. It's basically going to be the "Wing II", and it's awesome: 5x the RAM, more proccessing power, bigger screen, etc.

Or, if you want to cross over to the Android side, I'd wait for the HTC Hero to be released. Not sure exactly when that will be coming out, but it has full Flash in the web browser (better than Skyfire), and a TouchFlo-like interface, and more. Best Android phone I've ever seen.

Those are the 2 best phone's I'd recommend, I'm getting the Touch Pro 2, btw.

Just realized, wrote nothing about JustHome. Hey, get better, Ivan's JustComputer!!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
PC Fixed... But, I decided to start work on my multilanguage kitchen. With it, I will probably recreate JustHome from scratch, this time I'll have a better idea of the roadmap as I go along, instead of fixing things as I go. This time, it will also be based on a Herald base instead of a Tmobile base. And if I play things right, I might be able to release it in multiple languages, or at least release it with the kitchen. (Since I'll be doing one device at a time, starting with the Herald.)

We'll see what my time allows.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
alright man thanks man my friends are telling me to get a G1 n i need a phone for t-mobile so yea hahah im thinking touch HD to go all out but should i? i think HTC Hero then man thanks im going to research it up thanks
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
If you want to use the 3G network in Tmobile, you HAVE to get the G1 or wait for the Wing 2. If you don't care about gettig 3G speeds within the Tmobile network, then anything else is fine. (The Wing 2 is like a Touch HD with a keyboard.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
Thank u thank u for clearing it all up Ivan :) so G1 is the one then right? and are you making roms for the G1 Ivan and i definitly want a 3g network man :D ill buy the wing 2 when it comes out so yea thanks man
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Well the G1 is the old Android phone. the HTC Hero is the one that is coming soon, but not known when. There's also a G2 (myTouch) that should be coming out sooner, I think it's also called the HTC Magic or something.

But if you want Android, then I say you really have to wait for the HTC Hero, it's definitely the best Android phone ever.

If you want to stick with Windows Mobile, then definitely get the Touch Pro 2, it's a sweet phone, and only 23 days till it comes out! I say get the Touch Pro 2 on July 22nd.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
damn sooo many phone to choose im sticking with the android man and its G1 r t-mobile mytouch 3g then
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
Yeah I agree with that option. There's not too much the Hero is going to offer other than a 5mp camera and a HTC interface addon (which I wouldn't look forward to if I were you). Also, just because it's going to be a GSM phone doesn't mean T-Mobile will have it, and since T-Mo uses a different 3G carrier band than most carriers, like Ivan was saying, even if its an unlocked phone, if it isn't made for T-Mobile, you wont get your 3G. And as far as the MyTouch3G verses the G1. To me, it's all about keyboards, if you prefer a software keyboard and no hardware keyboard, go for the MyTouch, if you prefer a real keyboard get a G1.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
okay then im going for G1 then man n is there any custom rom for that phone?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
Check the HTC Dream forum on XDA. There's a whole bunch of stuff you can do to it. Ivan is probably a member of that thread, as he uses a G1 now. And modification is probably somewhat easier than the Herald since Android is an open-source operating system. But, I would definitely tell you in the least to install 1.5 Cupcake OS on there. Maybe the Hero OS will come around soon.

EDIT: Looks like they already have the Hero OS for G1.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=522076
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
damn i was looking through the forum its like **** man lots of rom and already a hero os man thats crazy but ill still use my wing at times imma go switch phone on september man thanks u guys r really helpful for reals thanks i appreciated man
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
And to think the Herald forum was like that once? Oh pitty the good old days.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
yup ok man we should stop da conversation we were off topic hahahahah
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SSJ_Gomike:
I say go for what will be T-Mobile's direct iPhone competitor, the MyTouch 3G or also called the HTC Magic, yes the Wing II looks cool, but this one should be better :)

Sure the G1 has a real keyboard,but it falls short in other areas
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] adelco93:
i just hate giving up the oh so beloved windows mobile.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Speedyp:
I just found this:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=530710

Could be interesting to be cooked in.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] samthu:
Looks like the touchPro uses the window mobile 6.1. So what phones are coming out with windows 6.5?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The MyTouch 3G has the same hardware as the G1, sans the keyboard. What did you mean falls short? The Hero, on the other hand, just has more storage and more RAM. Now, some countries' HTC Magic (what the MyTouch is) have a little more RAM, but ours don't.

I've been keeping up with it, but I'm not sure about it, yet. Seems that phones with only 64mb get slower due to the lack of memory.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
hey Ivan when are you going to released the nexted justhome bro
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kemberdog:
is it just me or are the reg edits cab causing a countdow of ram on my phone, it starts with about 20mb but ends up at about 5mb
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
nope when i used my phone n under heavy usage i check its at 19 mb most of the time
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] fishwiz45:
wow!

ivan, i love justhome v17!!!!!! i have read alot of this thread and used the search this thread tool, but... i cannot enter passwords in the password field of any website or forum in opera mini??? i used the new ie for a bit but, i just have to have opera working...i tried to install other versions of opera mini but the phone denied installation. is this a known bug? should i download and install the rom again? thx:cool: