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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Si607:
Personally I hardly think it counts as commercial if someone is not making a living out of an app.

My view of this is that if it developed as a hobby or interest, and probably continues as such then its not really commercial.

Is making a bit of money from a hobby commercial, I don't think so unless it becomes a significant part of ones income.

Funnily enough I would think it commercial if it starts downloading adverts with a free version, that IS commercial as there is obviously a deliberate significant commercial aspect bringing in other firms.

Compare it with all those people who like collecting and buying antiques on ebay, than swopping them when something else takes their fancy, are they commercial or just hobbyists funding their hobby with a bit of fun and income that might be generated. If they started putting adverts for furniture restoration or furniture insurance on their ebay adverts anyone would immediately think commercial enterprise. My view is a product that carries adverts on this forum is wrong, but a bit of money earned is deserved and not necessarily commercial.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] andrew-in-woking:
Yes it is - but this is off topic.

Hi Si607

This is off topic but...

If a developer wants to produce an application as a hobby but wants to cover their costs they can ask for donations for SDKs, Test devices, etc. At the point when they start charging for a product or service, be it their main income or not and whether or not they're actually making a profit, the enterprise is commercial from that point on.

Best wishes to FryWalker in his commercial enterprise, and thanks to him for continuing to support myPlayer Lite users through this thread. I think that the forum is still benefiting from his input.

Cheers

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fingerstoo:
Blimey, this is all a bit serious. All I wanted was adverts for FryWalkers paid version i.e. nagging in the free version to buy the premium version. I did not mean real commercial adverts.... as an ex BBC employee I think anything else would be wrong.

I do find it a bit odd that I got the HD download capability in earlier versions then suddenly it was locked out. I tried to stop version 1.25 from installing and kept to version 1.2, but FryWalkers clever update system stopped this version working a day after the announcemnt of the one off fee. I was frankly annoyed.

However, I can see that he wants to cover his expenses... so his approach is reasonable. But if he really wants to make it a commercial app then come clean and leave this forum, please? Nothing wrong with that. However, I feel a lot of us have invested effort in helping him to produce a good app. So I feel we have lost out here... free beta testers? Not unusual some will say....

Oh, come on why am I bothering, I have uninstalled it already?!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] looby:
Latest version..

I have found on the latest version BBC News will not connect (See Pic.) and the Coreplayer will no longer play in Fullscreen. Before this everything worked perfectly..:confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
It looks like the live BBC News link is down on the main iPlayer mobile page. I will keep an eye on it to see if it needs updating.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
*** Updated to version 1.280 ***

Change list:

- Added Four on Demand channel to Catch Up view

- GPRS data usage warning is now displayed

- Various other minor amendments
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iTrout:
Hi Its a great product but I've run into a major problem. I'm running myPlayer with Coreplayer 1.3.6 and when I select any stream my phone (HD2) will freeze forcing me to remove the battery. Coreplayer on its own is fine but for some reason can't work with myPlayer anymore. This has been the case for just under two weeks I believe. :confused:

Has anyone else experienced something similar?

Have I just overlooked a thread/post somewhere?

Has a friend just messed around with coreplayer settings?

Please help! Thanks :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] andrew-in-woking:
Hi iTrout

Have you installed version 1.280? If not, please update and report back.

Many thanks

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iTrout:
Hi Andrew.

Thanks for the quick response! Yes I have installed 1.280 but it makes no difference. I think I've had two updates since the problem started.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
It might be worth trying a re-install of CorePlayer as it could be one of the settings that has gone awry. What content in particular are you trying to stream? A BBC iPlayer episode? Are you connecting via 3G or wifi?

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] iTrout:
That's done it! I'd already reinstalled a couple of times but forgot to delete the old data. I don't know for sure but the freeze could have been caused by the fact that there was a mixture of coreplayer data on both my device and card... maybe.

Thanks for your help :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martin22:
paying fry for DRM Free ?

I used this program from the start but have now uninstalled it. (I was annoyed at the blocking of the old versions) Correct me if I am wrong, the download feature has to be illegal ? as you end up with the film or episode "drm free". So having to pay for a illegal feature seems wrong. I was ok with it so long as it was a hobby, but this is piracy for commercial gain ? unless you have consent from bbc ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
The download feature is available in the free version. The content is equivalent to that downloaded by the iPhone version so I do not believe it is an illegal feature.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] andrew-in-woking:
No - it's not illegal to download iPlayer content in the UK. You need a valid TV licence to stream live TV as it is broacast but you don't if you're downloading it later for viewing at a time of your choosing.

I have had the UK TV Licencing people at my house who have confirmed this.

I don't have a TV licence and don't watch live TV.

These rules clearly don't apply outside of the United Kingdom so users should check with their local authorities.

Many thanks

andrew-in-woking
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martin22:
DRM

DRM (Digital rights management) is supposed to ensure that content can only be played with a licence. which usually expires after a given time and or only allows you to play if you are in the uk. DRM free means that the content is stripped of the ability to manage use of their content, so it has no limit. This is a different issue to the one you are talking about, re if you need a TV Licence to use Iplayer. (Fry has replied that because Iplayer downloads for Iphones are DRM Free his can also be. I think he is wrong though according to my 5 minute search on google iphone downloads have drm restrictions)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Martin22:
Downloading enabled in 1.28

Fry, after your reply, I have just reinstalled your myplayer I can see that you have now re-enabled the download feature in version 1.28 (I was talking about 1.25 where a message came up saying that doanloads are for pro version only)

I hope this remains the case.

thanks very much !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nalab1:
Hi!

Whats happended to the "high quality icon" option? It seems to have disappeared..... and the "normal" one looks horrible....

Regards,

Alan
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
It should be on the options menu - listed as either "Thumbnail quality" or "Episode thumbnails". You may find that your 3G connection compresses the images anyway as most operators have this as an "http service" by default.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nalab1:
thanks for that! sorted!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jack_jster:
Thanks FryWalker for making the download feature free again.

Another idea I had for you is that you could make the free version have maybe a limit e.g 10 hours worth of downloads a month but the full version could have no limit...

Thanks,

Jster
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] potter1984:
No jack thats a terrible idear :((.

A better solution would be to have it COMPLETLY free as the bbc iplayer site is, i mean we already pay the dam tv company, and no one wants to pay them twice for the same programme.

I can respect the fact the developer would like some money for his troubles, and the app is that good i would not mind paying a ONE off fee for the app, ( A ONE OFF FEE, not monthly subscription).

But the other streaming options should stay the same :).

This is one of those apps that can only get better, If the developer is willing to listen to the ppl, which i belive he is doing.

Thanks for all the hardwork and effort so far, but please bear in mind that the best things in life are FREE!! :))
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jack_jster:
Yes I wasn't suggesting a monthly subscription I meant a one off fee would provide the full version. Anyway it would help the developer gain some money which I think he deserves for his efforts, without putting too many people at a disadvantage.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Casey_boy:
Error

Did a search for Wonders of the Solar System in myPlayer 1.28 and got this:

myPlaterPCC.exe

ObjectDisposedException

at

System.Threading.Timer.throwIfDisposed

()

at

System.Threading.Timer.Change(UInt32

dueTime, UInt32 period)

at

System.Threading.Timer.Change(Int32

dueTime, Int32 period

at

System.Net.HttpWebRequest.startReadW

riteTimer()

at

System.Net.HttpWebRequest.Connection

Client.Read(Byte[] data, Int32 offset,

Int32 length

Casey
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] looby:
BBC News..

BBC News 24 is now accessing ok again. All runs lovely, great..:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] r3ddrag0nx:
does this work for people outside of the UK? im from canada..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tomylee79:
i bought some credit in the app but the app says still the old amound. i updated but nothing.

any ideas?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
Please email our support team for assistance.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lolbombs:
Everything works great except for when I go to Live TV -> USA, it doesn't work. It'll try to load something for about 30 seconds and then I'll get an error:

"An unexpected error has occured in myPlayerPPC.exe. Select quit and then restart the program, or select details for more information."

and when I click details I get:

myPlayerPPC.exe

ObjectDisposedException

What am I doing wrong?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zvi1:
myplayer 1.28 error

I also get the above error on Ver. 1.28, any help? (touch HD WM 611),

with Ver. 1.25 it was ok!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lolbombs:
I get the same as well. WM 6.1 on Sprint Touch Diamond.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
Is the error only appearing when you try a search? After the error does it display any results? Thanks for the feedback.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zvi1:
error

you get the error when you start program' you can not change any thing - only exit!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
So is the error message displayed as text on a black background or as text displayed within a dialog with a black background (that you can close)? If it is neither of these - is it a generic windows error message that you have to click "Quit" to close?

Thanks.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zvi1:
error

It is a text displayed within a dialog with a black background (that i can close)

i have uninsttoled it after installing it 3 times - same error
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
OK, thanks. Please can you try installing the version attached below (v1.250) and confirm that it still works as expected?

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zvi1:
error 1.25

i have installed v. 1.25 and now i get the same error ! so they have change

some thing on the BBC server ?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
Yes, that is a possibility. Although I cannot reproduce the error on any of my test devices. Can I ask: are you connecting via 3G/HSDPA or wifi? Also which country are you connecting from?

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zvi1:
error

both 3G/HSDPA and wifi' from Israel
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lolbombs:
The error occurs 100% of the time when I click on US feeds in the Live TV section. Other countries work most of the time but US never works for me. After the error, I can only press Details or Quit. Details brings me to the screen that others have reported here and from there I can only Quit. Pressing Quit just exits the program.

I've tried both 3G and Wifi.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] keem85:
I've downloaded and installed this software. It keeps bugging me and telling me to upgrade to be available to stream more data. This is ok. But I havent managed to find out how this works with megabytes etc.. do I pay MONTHLY like the Spotify client for a certain amount of megabytes?

I could just need some tips on what to upgrade to. Pro? Premium?

Thanks in advance :)

Edit: I have one more question: I'm taking a vacation to a place that has EDGE only.. There by I wonder if the myPlayer can pre-buffer videos..? or CorePlayer that would be more correct..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] astonnick:
Yep, I'm getting same message as above. However I for one will NOT be willing to pay to access something which is free - BBC iPlayer is freely accessible, and charging people to access it is disgusting.

Whether that is the case or if it is an application bug I don't know, but lets hope it is fixed soon.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
myPlayer Lite is a free application and access to all of the BBC content is free. Please make sure that your stream setting is set to direct access and that you are using a service provider from within the UK.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] astonnick:
Yep, stream is set to direct and I am using British Telecom as before.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
Please can you contact skynetinfo@ftml.net and let them know your device key (which is visible on the About screen, "Menu -> About"). They should be able to assist you with the connection problem.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] astonnick:
OK, thank you.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
*** Updated to version 1.400 ***

Change list:

- Digital TV view added with more live channels (ITV, Channel4, Five, etc.) [CorePlayer required, UK only]

- Added more content to the Four On Demand channel

- Various other minor updates
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] skilty:
hi frywalker,

brilliant app, been using it from the first version.

i've just got a hd2 and the last version (1.2x) worked ok but i've just tried this new version and the iplayer stream is terrible on my device. i've tried changing settings in coreplayer but its still the same. has anything changed or could you help with making it run better? i would like to upgrade to pro or premium but i want to make sure its working properly on my device!

anyone else with a hd2 thats having trouble playing the streams/got it working well?

edit: just tried the other streams and four on demand and the live digital channels are working brilliantly, i couldnt try some of the other channels as i was getting the "not enough credit" message, even though it says i've got over 400k worth of credit? - still getting very "blockey" iplayer streams tho
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
Unfortunately the BBC iPlayer streams are relatively low quality as they are designed for lower-end devices, which means you do get quite a blocky image on the high-res HD2 screen.

I would recommend downloading the iPlayer episodes via the info (i) button for the best quality BBC experience.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] skilty:
thanks for the quick replies.

i've just tried streaming via the server and theres not much difference in quality :( - although I'm not entirely convinced i've been streaming it via the myplayer server as some channels say i've not got enough credit??

i'm still going to get pro or premium (when i get paid) because this app keeps getting better and the live channels are great...will you be able to add more like dave,film4,skysportsnews, itv 2/3/4?

still cant work out how to get iplayer streaming nicely, ive tried the opera method, going to mobile/iplayer and its getting me nowhere! lol

EDIT: i just wanted to say that this program is fantastic! really hope you can add more uk digi channels soon
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Agent Zach:
Works brilliantly on my Fuze. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] otherworld:
Films category

Firstly thanks for what is probably my favourite app on my phone! :) It's wonderful and has rescued me on many a dull journey.

Is it possible to get the 'Films' category off iplayer added to the app? Maybe I'm doing something wrong (as it mentions the Films category in the first post) but I can't see it on the 'View / BBC iPlayer' menu.

Cheers.

Ian
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Phenomenon:
What are the chances that Hulu makes this not work anytime soon? I remember people getting Hulu to stream to mobile, but since they want to start a subscription they started to fix it so mobile streaming couldn't work.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neodoughnut:
First I have to say congratulations on a fabulous app and the addition of the live channels is something I have been waiting for a long time.

I just posted this on the TVCatchup forums and had it instantly removed saying that "I'll understand".

I've always found there actions suspicious ever since they turned down frywalker to develop access to TVCatchup. I'm just glad that with this update we finally have access to UK Digital TV live streams.

Having bought the Pro version, it has all the digital channels including E4 and the +1 channels. However I was just wondering if you (frywalker) was intending to add any other ones later? Such as Dave, Virgin 1 and Viva? Or have you already tried and are there technical reasons why this can't be done?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dannywi11iams:
Hi all, I'm new to this, and could do with som help. I have a HTC HD2 with a rom installed (CleanEX DsE V2 ManiMore WWE). I was woundering if a ROM would have any effect on this app running slow.

After installing myPlayer and running it is takes a good 5 minutes or more just for the VIEW button to show. then after that another 2 minutes also a message comes up saying "Failed to load content - unable to establish a connection. Please ensure your device has access to the internet"

I know i have a internet connection, cause i can use Opera and stream using window media.

I have tried 3G and Wi-fi.

Can someone help with the running of this app. It would be cool to get it running.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] billu:
I am finding that when viewing a digital channel, the same portion (varying in length 9 sec to 40 secs) keep repeating rather than a continuous stream. Sometimes theI am able to watch a continuous stream but that is a rarity.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
The digital TV feeds require a strong signal as the content is delivered at a high bit rate. If you are experiencing a looping clip it would suggest that the signal is degrading or dropping out.

Wifi is obviosuly the ideal connection type to use for this service, or else a strong HSDPA signal with an unlimited data plan.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sim36:
a beauty

myPlayer works a treat. can't seem to resize 'the office' to to 16:9?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tgerbracht:
Well I went out and bought the premium version since I was smitten with the idea and I can afford it. Couple questions though: I have coreplayer 1.3.6, but I cant seem to get ESPN Live channel to play at all. I just see the spinning icon and it stays there forever. I changed streams from direct to myplayer server and it said it couldnt find the file.

Also, when I tested this out, I watched about 30 seconds of a Simpsons episode. Do I get charged the entire file length or just the amount of data I streamed?

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dannywi11iams:
Found out the problem, My USB lead was connected to my computer, Drrrr
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dannywi11iams:
Having a problem with Coreplayer, running Ver 1.3.0, after chosing a progrm to watch, coreplayer loads up and I get sound, but no picture. I'm thinking maybe it the version I'm running.

I'm a bit P'd has i've purchased the coreplayer some time back and I can't upgade to a newer version.

Is there a codec that can be installed or a way to upgrade my coreplayer without paying again.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] billu:
Thanks for that info, I'll keep an eye on the signal strength when the looping occurs and when it doesn't.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] neodoughnut:
@billu

"I am finding that when viewing a digital channel, the same portion (varying in length 9 sec to 40 secs) keep repeating rather than a continuous stream. Sometimes theI am able to watch a continuous stream but that is a rarity."

@Frywalker

I am am experiencing the same problems mentioned above by billu, on both 3G and WIFI connections.

I very rarely do get the odd channel that plays normally, but its not consistent.

update:

I've actually discovered that when the stream that is playing loops/starts playing for a second time, it will continue past the original end when it played the first time and continue streaming normally. I've noticed this happens on all the channels so far, whether I'm on 3G or Wifi.

Do you think this can be rectified?

Many thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
This is the expected behaviour as CorePlayer will report the stream size when it initially loads (eg. 49 seconds) but since this stream is continually buffering it should then play past that specified time frame.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
For the best picture in 16:9 please set the server stream quality to "High". For a 16:9 picture on standard quality please select "Menu -> Options -> Pixel Aspect Ratio" in CorePlayer and select one of the 16:9 settings.

I do not believe you will be able to get a 16:9 stream with Streaming Player or Windows Media Player.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] thebrenda:
Downloaded the app and am playing with it. I have alot to learn but am really excited.

Can you add Glee from Hulu? It is a really popular show.

When a station says it is UK only can I still view it if I use the myplayer server?

Is there a tutorial or some HOW TO informaiton. I am a bit overwhelmed trying to get this to work and to understand how to set it up.

Lastly - has anyone found any decent English speaking Live TV? Most of the ones that I have selected in the US are bible bangers preaching about hell and damnation.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] FryWalker:
Most UK content is only available from within the UK, but you can certainly give the myPlayer server a try.

Please contact support for assistance.

-Fry
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dannywi11iams:
Digging this app, I digged it that much I had to go Prem' and was surpriced to find lots more UK Live TV channels

I to get the same problem, of the stream restarting after the Coreplayer reaches 49Sec but after skipping upto the end it carries on playing normaly.

This has to be the best Player for live and extra stations out there. I think this wound be a good app to replace the Manila TV Player. with a look that is not far from the Facebook app, Where the facebook friends are replaced for channels, if you know what i mean.

Keep up the good work. Top App...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hackthis02:
I just up graded to 1.400. And now even tho I have it set to axcess the contect directly, it keeps telling me I don't have enought credits to watch it. Any ideas?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tgerbracht:
Ouch, no Hulu huh? Those jerks! :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dannywi11iams:
Never Mind, Just got the news about Hulu, Jerks YESSSSS, I hope Myplayer come up with more channel contents to replace this. Just like you can on the iPhone, for example (h t t p ://iphone.tvcatchup.com/) Now that wounld be cool.

Just noticed the YouTube page on the start of this thred, how do I get this to show up, is there a update to replace Hulu, or am I missing something???

Keep You the good work... Still think is the best app out there.