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[About XDA developers] RaptorRVL:
You have a perfectly valid point when it comes to being a privately owned site, and the owner can actually do what he/she wants to do with it.

But with that quote you actually go the wrong way again if you ask me. This site is not owned by HTC right? Or is it? Asking Nike to sell Reebok is soooo way off from this discussion. There is no comparison whatsoever. Going into this kind of arguments is going the wrong way.

Just say in short: This site (as you can read from the front page) is for HTC devices. This has been and is a decision of the owner and the mods, and that shall be how it's done.

Don't turn around and make weird comparisons with other companies. Just say it's a HTC only forum because you made it one and you want to keep it a HTC only forum.

At least people can understand it, and you avoid getting into weird comparison arguments...
[About XDA developers] nir36:
"I" didn't decide anything. and "I" don't want this forum to be HTC only. I think it is reasonable to think that one forum can't hold everything in it.

I think that comparison is valid.. don't see why you wouldn't think so.. but that was just a remark... you can take it anyway you like.
[About XDA developers] DaOnlyRecless:
I agree that since the focus of this site was xda devices (Mainly, though not exclusively produced by htc), this should remain an htc-based fourm. I don't know if other manufacturers where supported at the start, but since it has grew into an htc focus, there is so much to be dedicated too.

I would propose that maybe if some of the older forums could be eradicated then maybe some slots could be opened. But that proposition is made futile by many of those who are dedicated to their blue angels and wallabies and blue angels until they fall apart.

So good luck with a new forum.
[About XDA developers] nir36:
As Mike beautifully explained (apparently i wasn't able to :)), right now, adding non-HTC subforums is off the table. I STRONGLY suggest that someone picks up this project and starts working on a forum. winmodevelopers seems a good place to develop as it already has some sections going, lots of devices.. and a decent amount of members.. without work and advertisment, nothing is going to happen. you will start small.. and slowly progress towards having a working forum for people who don't have HTC devices. chefs may come over, developers who, themselves, have non-HTC devices will start finding some interest in the forum.. and you will be able to make visiting worthwhile.
[About XDA developers] losdrivare:
I just want to elaborate on some of the points made here.

The reason for not expanding xda-developers from covering HTC-manufactured devices to ALL devices running Windows Mobile is because resources are limited: eg money and time of staff.

1. If xda-dev expanded the devices supported in forums, the user base would grow too, ergo revenues from ads would increase.

2. Xda-dev could enlist more moderators. From my standpoint it's merely a matter of organisation. Every device subsection could have its dedicated moderators, preferably someone who owns the device in question.

3. xda-dev could itself be re-organised, to make the site easier to maintain and overview for mods and users alike. Manufacturer subsections, screen resolution subsections etc, are logical ways to do this.

When this site was founded, HTC was the leading manufacturer of Windows Mobile devices.

True, but as been stated, this position has slipped as of late. Toshiba, Samsung, Gigabyte, Acer are all offering very attractive WinMo devices. They have all different UIs, but hardware seems very similar - they're either Qualcomm or Snapdragon. Here, there is a great opportunity for synergy effects. Imagine the possibility to be able to choose what UI suits you the most, no matter what device you own. Drivers, builds etc can be ported, possibilities are endless.

That is, IF competent people are involved. Competent people who are here on xda-dev.

IMO, xda-dev, its users and mods, will benefit immensly if other WinMo devices are taken under the wings of this site. If not, some very skilled developers will probably be lost, the devices not covered here will not benefit from the community and the community will not benefit from them.

Community is about strength in numbers. The greater the unity, the greater the numbers, the greater the strength of the community.
[About XDA developers] Chainfire:
I completely agree with you, losdrivare. The best people are here at XDA, other devices could benefit. WM as a whole would benefit. And isn't that what most people here are about?
[About XDA developers] parleyp:
I agree with you....and your especially correct in your last post. We need to make WinMobile better...for everyone.
[About XDA developers] parleyp:
No one can say it better...more people/users/hits means more add revenue...getting mods shouldn't be an issue. There are plenty of great people wanting to help.
[About XDA developers] poetryrocksalot:
I say duplicate the user database to a separate forum.

Reasons?

1) Popularity Increase

2) A lot of us will be leaving HTC devices for preferable alternatives; such as Xperia X2 .... mobinnova is the current candidate to manufacture the X2 ... and the reception for X1 has been tremendous.

3) Creating a different forum does not interfere with merging manufacturers
[About XDA developers] the0ne:
Modaco has a section for the Omnia , there are some active developers having out there ( http://www.modaco.com/category/342/i9x0-omnia-http-omnia-modaco-com/ )

x1 ( http://www.modaco.com/category/355/xperia-x1-x1-modaco-com/ )
[About XDA developers] Kev007:
i think i like this idea better than mine, having a smaller "other devices" subforum would be less work for the admins and keep all winmo and android development on one website. the larger the community, the better....adding more devices to this site will boost its popularity!
[About XDA developers] addicus:
I've been here for a few years so I'd like to throw in some perspective.

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1. The site was reatively small when I joined and the Wizard was top dog in thw WinMo world for most. At that time (3 years ago?) HTC owned WinMo. Now the site is vastly larger accomodating many more members and devices. When I started advertising and product revenue wasn't a major part of the site. If we truly look t the membership to revenue money I would say that Flar is vastly underpaid and overworked.

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2. Having Non HTC devices to foster better WinMo development is a great idea. Thing is very few people donate to the site. Expansion is great but a strong foundation is key to making sure the forum doesn't topple when it gets larger. Most members are not donating so the cost will expand also - possible at a higher rate than users and development.

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MikeChannon has let us know that the format is open to change when the time is right. We have to like that Flar and the staff have an open mind and are not blind to the enviroment we operate in when it comes to Windows Mobile and the devices we use.
[About XDA developers] chavonbravo:
Yes, this is a good idea. Other manufacturers are starting to make decent hardware for Windows Mobile, and this site is mostly about software mods and getting the newest htc software on older hardware (in this particular case, non-htc hardware would be great).

So please, admins, do this.
[About XDA developers] scotchua:
Just to add my opinion, for whatever that's worth.

I agree that there is definitely a lot of potential benefit to adding other devices, and that there is some merit to the thought that additional viewers might mean additional ad revenue.

Of course there are many down sides to, for example:

While additional members might potentially generate revenue in the long run, the additional staff, hardware, and volunteers would need to be collected on the front side. My guess is we'd almost need to double our moderator staff as we occasionally suffer from a shortage our presence as it is right now. This is largely due to the fact that, as volunteers, often our work and personal lives overtake our ability to contribute to the site. Which can become painfully apparent when on a good day the mods to members online ratio is something like 700:1. That's a lot of posts to keep up with.

Additionally, we struggle enough with getting users to post in the right forums when they simply have to know the model of their phone and whether it's CDMA or GSM. I am quite positive we'll have all kinds of people trying to HardSPL their Omnia to flash a diamond wrong who will post their questions in Development & Hacking.

I think Mike spoke well in saying that everyone here at XDA is interesting in creating the most useful and helpful place that we can, and that over the next couple years a great deal of thought will be put into what types of devices to support in the future. I am not ashamed to say that if we started supporting some other phones I might even allow myself to stray to an Omnia or some such device just to see what else is out there. Just don't expect that it's going to happen overnight, and know it might not happen at all, but keep sharing your thoughts and ideas because we're always listening.
[About XDA developers] poetryrocksalot:
I just hope that HTC will continue to make the best windows mobile phones. If HTC fails then this forum will probably convert into a Windows Mobile forum.

You see if HTC fails than XDA won't have anything to thrive on and therefore they would start changing allegience to a better manufacturer.

I am not saying that this is going to happen. I am saying that this is what I think will happen if HTC did start to suck.
[About XDA developers] THE GRIZZ:
dude, we are not asking for a full 5-subforum per device like whats happening in each htc-made device. just one additional forum for

all

non-htc devices. i fail to see how that is going to be a major problem. adding full android platform support with dream,saphire and hero is a much much bigger thing than what we were asking and it was done (and rather well if i might add)

the way i see it: if HTC is not paying the owners of this site (which is the case), then xda-devs should not keep doing free favors to them forever. xda-devs is the only major windows mobile development and support site but i sometimes get the feeling that the mods dont get that
[About XDA developers] addicus:
Not to be a 'rude senior member' but, do you have any reading comprehension? Did you read the part about moderators are volunteers with lives and are often outmanned 700:1? That is a daunting task in a forum like this where information needs to be placed properly for things to run smoothly.

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Yes I know you only asked for 1 total forum/subforum, but since when has XDA done anything half ass? Look how many people are online here at once and realize what it takes to keep this top flight website moving and shaking without crashes that many other large sites suffer from. I'm pretty sure if the non HTC phones are added the group will incorporate them as every other phone has been.
[About XDA developers] THE GRIZZ:
too late for that. you are very rude. and if you wernt so fixated on kissing some of the mods asses you would have understood half of what im trying to say. what i explained in above is the reason why we will not be needing as many moderators as some think. at the end of the day all what were really asking is to increase the number of supported subforums from around the current ~230 to 234/235 or even 231(if they decide to only add a single " non-htc forums")

everybody will not be expecting FULL 5-subforums-per-device like whats happening on all HTC devices. its an HTC site after all. there is nothing "half assed" about that
[About XDA developers] addicus:
Don't be such an emotional brat. The last thing I'm doing is kissing ass. I've been here for a few years and when I was a newbie the suggestion you pose was being adamantly argued then. This is nothing new. I have said before this place has grown exponentially once the Tytn II came out. The membership and forum #'s are 3 times what they were and this all happened in a matter of months due to the phones' popularity. That led to a total rearrangement of the forum and the separate Development and Hacking, General Questions, Networking, Off Topic, etc... forums.

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The other problem with expanding the forums is that many of the new users are young, brash, rude, impatient and disrespectful so you lose developers who are tired of being pissed on for the free hard work they do. It happens everytime there is a boom and after seeing it occur about 4 times now, I know it's coming again.

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I would love to have access to the xda type geniuses and not have to have a HTC unit. I agree HTC is getting an advantage that may no longer be warranted. WinMo has competition loading up and firing with everything they've got so having a stronger and more varied WinMo community would be nice.

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My thing is you are making suggestions with other people's money and time. These are forward thinking people who run and moderate this forum so stop pissing and moaning as if they are ass backwards people not listening to some unheralded genius and laughing him out the room. That's not the case and your suggestion has been recognized and addressed. If you are so strong about the idea put your money where your mouth is. Pay for the expansion. Cover the cost. Donate a few thousand dollars and then make demands.

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[About XDA developers] scotchua:
I think that you are the one being rude in this situation. Consider this an official warning. I was not interested in confronting regarding your overly aggressive tone when responding to me; however, there is no need to become hostile with the other members.

As I stated, we are more than willing to listen to your ideas and to discuss them with the ones who make these decisions; however, this will not happen overnight and most certainly will not happy because you attempt to bully us into capitulating to your demands.

Upon my reading of this thread it seems that more people are actually interested in us opening up threads for samsung, LG, etc devices that also run windows mobile. I can understand their desire to see this happen, and would myself be very excited to see it; however, supporting all of those devices will entail a significant amount more work than you probably realize. Simply adding one thread where everyone discusses all other models of phone I believe will cause more problems then it solves.

I am in no way putting down your desire to see the site expanded or even saying that you are wrong for having your opinion about how things should be done; however, I think that if you really want people to listen to you, then you should attempt to be more respectful in your conversation.

I expect that this matter is closed, so any comments after mine will pertain to the topic of this thread only, and not what you do or do not like about a person's attitude.
[About XDA developers] -PiLoT-:
this is stupid, the answer has been given again and again.

its comes down to this

get off your ass go to winmodevs.com

if you then manage to stop crying and whinging about the fact that we cant have a non htc device section here we can bang some brain cells together and do it

but until all you lazy "aawww there isnt 5000 members online" crybabys start to help then there will be no place at all

(BTW ill say this again so itll sink in even if xda opened its gates to non htc members there still going to be the need for people to start of, which going by this thread is near impossible)
[About XDA developers] losdrivare:
Thanks for you very balanced and sound view on this.

And I'm sorry if I simplify something that might be more complex than I know, but some of the problems you talk about seem very easily solved to me. For instance, about xda not having enough moderators. If the present admins and moderators get active in recruiting new moderators, I believe you will have solved this problem in no time. There are a lot of good and experienced members who help out and already offer "user-moderating" to the community. Pick these good people up when you see them and make them moderators. I see alot of them every time I browse this site. There are a lot of good people here wanting to help, all you need to do is to let them.

And not everything need to be moderated by actual moderators. Most moderation I see takes places between common users. Moderators come to the "scene" only when things have gone out of hand, but most of the time things sort themselves out.

My main point is, many of the reasons stated not to take non-HTC devices under the wings of XDA-developers seems quite easily solved to me, but as I said - maybe I just don't understand the problems enough. However, I do understand if the cost of servers/bandwidth etc would increase more than ad revenue. I don't have an easy solution for that, but I'm sure it too could be solved somehow.
[About XDA developers] m.schmidler:
I think the problem with opening a new subforum is simple. Just imagine what would happen if the admins did so: People buying Samsung, Acer, Toshiba, whatever would sooner or later discover that there is a subforum at famous Xda-Developers. Most of them aren´t developers themselfs so what would they do (because it´s simple)? Right, asking the guys developing/hacking for HTC devices for help.

So the "old" developers might get frustrated with the new situation and more or less retire from their "job" here.

On the other hand this situation wouldn´t last forever. Because non-HTC devices are now "supported" on Xda-Devs some developers might get non-HTC devices themselves.

Until then there is no real solution, simply because all the new forums lack experienced developers.
[About XDA developers] trojanmate:
Xda is about challenge

All what you do at Xda is challenging, so why stop here.

Yeah let it roll
[About XDA developers] orb3000:
Because there are so many new HTC devices every year that challenging will never stop!!

And as a local saying says: "who holds all never specializes"

which means that you cant take all because youll never be good at anything

there are plenty of nice forums out there for all other devices.

let XDA continue as it is!!

And with it it´s enough for a life time of challenging!!!
[About XDA developers] Archer:
Personally, I feel like I'm stuck with HTC phones now. I don't think you can get support similar to what XDA offers HTC users for any other make.

Basically, XDA is the reason I continue to buy HTC, and that won't change unless XDA diversifies.

Shame, cos there's some lovely non-HTC phones out there!

Guess I'll wait for the Thoth :D
[About XDA developers] fatso485:
HTC sales have been boosted significantly simply because of the outstanding support given here. Samsung, toshiba have been releasing some really nice hardware lately ( for example the 800MHZ omnia ii/pro and the TG-01) that is clearly much better than HTC's old 528MHZ offering.

i think XDA-devs should stop providing FREE service to the weasels@ HTC. if htc is not supporting this site, i think this exclusive support should simply stop. i think its bad for the indusrty in the long run

maybe the admins should contact samsung,acer,SE,..etc and ask for support in retun for forums for their hardware.

XDA-devs is the only real WinMO out there
[About XDA developers] Lenny-t:
I'd like to see Samsung section for the omnia series, these phones are populair like soccercards for little kids. Thats why i posted YES, GREAT IDEA!
[About XDA developers] jojosplace:
Good idea for when the x2 comes out! ;)
[About XDA developers] josefcrist:
that is a good idea.
[About XDA developers] JimmyMcGee:
At first it seems that way, but then we'd have to have a big long conversation about Software and Firmware Copyrights and a whole legal headache gets involved.

P.S. With all the new phones coming out from HTC, I don't see XDA adding non HTC devices. As Has been said NUMEROUS times. :)
[About XDA developers] PoisonWolf:
Guys,

Stick to HTC only devices. Let SAMSUNG, ACER, etc have their own forums. The site is already cluttered enough as it is, there is no more need to further this problem. Furthermore, if you first give in to a "subforum", eventually, people will be requesting full fledged sections.

Honestly, stick to HTC phones only. People just want to buy the phones they want whilst having the delusion of entitlement that XDA should provide support for whatever phones they want to purchase.

If you buy a phone knowing XDA does not support, that's your call. But do not come here expecting XDA to tailor the focus of the site to that of your own just because you want it.

Harsh? Deal with it. But I'm really sick and tired of people asking this all the time.

Good day.
[About XDA developers] THE GRIZZ:
nicee

Revolution: XDA-Developers to include non-HTC devices

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=12115

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=5335158#post5335158
[About XDA developers] orb3000:
And a poll here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=616410
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sylpheed:
Hi all

i'm trying out a few win6.5 roms but they seems to be freezing with activesync. I can't seem to sync them properly.

Anyone know how to fix it?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] c77yc4:
the same problem...

any ideas?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sylpheed:
1 problem i have is that my microsd card is not working.So when i install, i wonder if that has anything to do with it. Other then that, anyone else knows why active sync is not working?
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] c77yc4:
I reinstalled activesync and it works... I don't know why... but I'm lucky because of that fact:) I suggest you to do the same.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sylpheed:
i just bought a new microSD card. and reflashed the rom. his V12.

Now that thing is blazing fast... i can tell the difference even when the rom first customizes itself. Looks like the microSD card did made a different.
[8525, TyTN, MDA Vario II, JasJam General] Sylpheed:
Update on this.

Syncing seems no problem at all at home. however when i'm at work. each time the sync would hang my phone. Anyone facing this issue also?

I tried reinstalling activesync. After reinstalling it worked for once. then the next time i synced, it hanged my phone again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gehzumteufel:
ALL HTC devices made in the last 2 years or so have used the extUSB connection proprietary (although the spec is in the open) to HTC. It combines Audio/video with the usb port. You can use a standard mini USB cable in this port though.

TouchHD will work on AT&T 3g.

There is an accelerometer in the Touch Pro2.

IR has been deleted from later HTC devices if I have my facts correct.

Audio is played through the speaker unless you have headphones connected.

cheers. :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fishwiz45:
i also wanted the htc hd but had my reservations about no hard press buttons. now that the TP2 will soon be available i will get that for sure!!!(qwerty)!!!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I would DEFINITELY go with they touch pro 2, sure the screen is a bit smaller but hardly, and also it does ahve a g-snsor, and also I here are specs for the touch pro 2 from htc website

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/specification.html

and heres teh specs for the hd:

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchhd/specification.html

also a slightly higer capacity battery in the touch pro 2
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
I know it has the hardware keyboard, but can you still use the softkeys if you didnt want to flip out the other one?

I am leaning toward the TP2, tho it means i have to wait for IT to be released, and my 3125 is quickly falling apart. :\

I think im going to stick with AT&T tho rather than switching to T-Mobile.. Anyone have any estimates on how soon it will be available to the US (unlocked)?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gsvnet:
Definitely.