yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
Ok just put v17 on my phone. Um... its hard to say if i like it. Since NetCf3.7 is installed i can really see the speed increase its a lot snapier. Internet is ALOT better! the final version will blow opera outta the water no doubt!

Memory wise, its decent. I managed to squeeze about 4 more mb. so im running like 24-25mb. which is coo. I miss the dialer but understnd why its gone! but the one thing that i dislike the most is the sip Keyboard! Overall performance is better.

I did notice one thing, the background on most of the OS is light gray instead of white. Looks weird but doesnt effect anything. I might go back to v3. Ill stick with this for a little longer and see if anything else pops up. Nice work ivan.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] raptoro07:
After playing around with V17 last night, I decided to go back to V11 this morning. Seems slower to me and jumpy. Plus, I like the WM6.5 Auto Lock and haptic feedback. When I installed them on V17 they didn't seem to work as well. The themes (black and blue) don't look very good to me. That grey background on the menus is terrible. It just sucked all my memory down. With V11 on startup I was getting 24-25 and maintaining 17-20 after the reg edits, but after playing with V17 I was down to 9-10. It does seem that V17 gave me a little better battery life, especially using Wifi. Maybe all this is just me and I was use to V11, but for now I'll stick there. As always though ivan.... THANKS!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SSJ_Gomike:
i have been going for a day using v17 too.....and it may that we pushed ivan to release it before he was really ready too...

All the different little (and i mean little) complaints in can confirm too....

Though windows live seems to integrate better with this version, i have seen little difference....

My memory after a lot of use hovers arouns 9-12mb

Dont care much for the default dialer, but i actually like this calculator better :rolleyes:

am still testing every bit of this new build, but it seems like a solid build in which v18 will be based on...

But with that said....a lot of us that came from v11 have to understand that it didnt get much better than that version....i never once had a problem with it....v11 was such a great build in which to measure the rest against....
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] raptoro07:
Agreed, glad to see I'm not the only one. Ivan did such a great job on V11, sorry if he was pushed to realease one sooner than he wanted.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I didn't include OperaMobile. NetCF3.7 is something else. :p

Memory wise, when I turn it on, I get more RAM than I did with v11 (which everyone complained about the RAM on.) Possibly because I don't have a memory card on it.

The SIP has been there for a lot of builds. I thought v11 also had it.

The light gray changes are due to microsoft making them that way.

Oh, I see, you were using v3. That's a whole different beast. But it has problems with certain programs, unfortunately.

So it runs faster on my phone but slower on your phone. o_O

The autolock and haptic feedback are the same I would install, it's just that I modify their settings to my liking (which apparently, it's also your liking.... lol)

What black and blue theme are you referring to? The theme hasn't changed since v11. Unless microsoft modified yet something else in their build...

The gray, is also part of microsoft itself. I'm getting more RAM at startup, how come everyone else is getting less? Are you letting the memory recover from the startup? (It's always low during the first 2-3 minutes when you turn on a phone on any ROM.) Yea, they seem to have improved the battery life on the newer builds.

It could be using that RAM for cache. I don't know. Microsoft is really pushing this to be better, faster, more finger friendly, but at the same time, meant for devices with 192mb and more, since all the new devices have more RAM. :-/ Our poor little devices struggle.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
Tell me, is this a new feature in v17....

If you tap-and-hold an icon on the start menu, you get popup to "Move to Top". As it implied, it moves the icon to the top of the list.

Its a shame the menu does not work the way it works on smartphones... click start and the first view is of recent programs, with a soft key for all programs.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
Lol! no! its been there since the begining! And ivan im using build 21222. this is the best buid. I noticed only on this build the title bar stays transparent which is coo!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
How you get the extra 4 MB free RAM??

And the SIP Keyboard is the Finger Friendly Keyboard, included in many of Ivan's ROM's. I like it but I use my real keyboard anyways.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
Ivan, when are you going to include motion gestures and multi-touch. That would be kool. (just kiddin')

So far v17 seems snappier than v11 on my wing. I'm having MMS sending problems with default settings. I'm trying not to install anything extra yet. (like Network/Connection Wizard). I'm going to try the T-Mobile settings cabs on Wingster site first.

Update: Tried the CAB listed on Wingster (ArcsoftMMS-2.cab) here. MMS now works fine, both sending and recieving.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] torremitsu:
Anyone else having data connection issues with v17?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] WhatzinyourphonE:
Yea i know wat keyboard it is. i dont like it. I prefer the stock sip over it. Um i got it with jus a view edits here and there. :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] raptoro07:
Well Ivan, maybe I will reflash v17 and play with it over the weekend. One thing though, i tried to install over the finger keyboard the touch keypad like I have on v11, but when I go to set it, it will not set. It stays as the finger keyboard that is preinstalled. Any tips?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] raptoro07:
Also, how do I get the task manager in the taskbar like this? (In the upper right corner)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Haha that IS the Network Wizard. But yea, I've found that Network Wizard is the best solution for MMS.

Not sure about that, I haven't tried any other keyboards, but I can set the WinMo default keyboard just fine.

And I'm getting good memory amounts here, I'm lovin it!

Edit: Don't do the following, it doesn't work on WM6.5 from what I could tell. I'll see if I can find another Task Manager that displays on the home screen.

Well you could try out this task mananger. I haven't tested it, but it possibly is like what you're looking for: http://thewingster.com/Documents/PREI_TaskManager.CAB

Sorry that there's no screenshots or anything for it. I haven't tried it yet. You might have to use it in conjunction with Zoom Status: http://thewingster.com/zoomstatus.aspx

Those two programs were stripped from this new ROM from another phone.​
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] papajohn:
Hi Guys,

I am running v11 on my Herald, and Ivan, really wonderful job! Thanks! I really still can't believe how well Herald can handle WM 6.5.

I have a problem though, that is not strictly tied to this ROM. Actually I have been having it with various ROMs and I think it must be the small pagepool that they use. When I install my usual mix of today pluging (yes, I disabled titanium) the device starts having problems with booting. It starts, it displays the WM logo for a bit and then it reboots automatically. I always circumvent it by removing the SD temporally in order to boot, but it is very frustrating as I have to reboot almost every day (or more often) duo to my poor Hermes running out of RAM.

Is there any insight on this problem??
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Speedyp:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=330498
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Task Manager works perfectly for managing running apps from the today screen! Thanks Speedyp! It's up on The Wingster now: http://thewingster.com/taskmanager.aspx

You MUST install Task Manager on your Device memory! Installing on Storage Card will not work. Also, you must restart your phone after installing. Here's a direct download (no rapidshare!): http://thewingster.com/Documents/Task Manager v 2.CAB

Added to The Wingster, with instructions and screenshots: http://thewingster.com/taskmanager.aspx
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mv:-):
I'm using v1.7E (WWE) and so far, so good...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] boyet804:
is there a program to install all my cabs at once when upgrade to the v17
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Yes, since this ROM is UC compatible. I actually have the instructions up on The Wingster: http://thewingster.com/ucrominstructions.aspx

Those are the steps you need to follow! Enjoy!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] boyet804:
thanks u sir
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
All of them have the transparent title bar as long as the theme has the transparencies enabled. But my current theme doesn't.

lol I wish. Impossible, but cool.

The issues with the MMS apparently, are due to the default wm6.5 network setup wizard not setting things up properly. So, I might include network wizard in the next build.

You can't without creating your own. The DLL edited to work with 6.1 is a 6.1 DLL. You have to edit the 6.5 dll accordingly.

That's a known bug on ALL Omap devices. It's an issue with the sdhc driver being replaced. Also on ALL devices if one of your today plugins tries to access something on the SD card too early on in the boot sequence.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SSJ_Gomike:
Hey ivan....

Ok....v17 seems to be a little buggy....yes it may be a bit snappier, but the gained memory for me is only about 2 mb so far....

Going back to v11, which was great....never had a problem....

Looking forward to next version, the new buils still seems solid....would love to see a copy of v11 but with the new build :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
One thing to note about UC, the cabs will be installed in device memory unless the cab is modified to install in the storage card. I did this with some CABs way back in my Dell Axim days. UC also allows for registry settings, like Owner info and setting up mailboxes by using special XML files. Check here for the extensive instructions on creating the setup file.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
You've got a bad link, it should be http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=366337 for learning even more about UC Customization.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Buggy how? I need more info. All this time I was under the impression that v11 was buggy compared to v3... :(
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
I've had no bugs, well except the pre-existing one where the Calendar soft button opens up the Clock settings.

But yea, this ROM is fine, I'd like to know what everyone's hating about it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mv:-):
Not hating, but not liking too much. ;)

Calculator. :eek:

Phone pad

Both replaceable with other great apps. Overall, great!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mv:-):
You may want to try WKtask. Check it out here. See screenshots below [Opened programs/tasklist on top taskbar using "Icons-only style" setting, WkTASK menu, and Program Launcher].

What is WkTASK? The developer's site (Japanese developer) says:

For some fixes, i.e., using with WM6.5, here and here. :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
Haven't started anything on the calc. But I'm working on a better looking phone pad as we speak.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nationalicon:
reboot loop

This worked for me! I no longer have to remove the micro SD card when resetting. Could this be the simple solution to the infamous reboot loop problem??
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The calculator wasn't meant to be on the ROM. I just left it there due to time contraints. That's the default wm6.5 calculator. It doesn't exist in JustHomev18.

The phone pad is the default one, also, modified with some theming to avoid the memory draw of the one I was using before. Everyone has to choose:

More RAM or a better dialer. Unfortunately, not really both. No way around it on wm6.5.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] torremitsu:
I wouldn't say v11 was buggy just not enough ram. Im thinking that this trend cannot be fixed. I've just reverted back to v11 from v17. For some reason I couldn't get a data connection. I appreciate the work you've put into this and I think for now v11 is the best it can be for a wing IMO.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Data Connection worked fine, even with the T-Zone's hack. RAM will always be low.

I'm having no problems with v17 at all.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
I dont think we need a better dialer necessarily. It just needs to be themed better, which unfortunately, there aren't too many options on the way we can theme it. I'm being a bit creative where I can be with the lack of tools.

I imagine we can theme the calc too.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
Need some advice:

This is my first attempt at a dialer skin.

Alright, I've been working on making the dialer a little more bearable to look at. I've been trying to find ways to fit the white scrolling area into the whole theme, and unfortunately, the dialer can't be changed very much. So I'll post what I have so far.

The colors and the background can be changed fairly easily, btw. And if anyone cares the last number is of Ace10134's Palm Pre number, yeah that's right, he's a traitor! But on a more serious note, he wants everyone to know that if there are any hot ladies reading this, they can feel free to call him.

EDIT: I was just thinking about what I could do with that blank area, and I thought of something new! I changed the background to a darker blue color, and added some images. A Vista Orb for the Aero theme, and a Special Ivan Edition theme. Here are the shots:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mikeybags:
I actually had this same issue with the old version (the one from May 30). No idea how to fix it though.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] elazullizard:
How did you get TWolf's multiplugin to work with other plugins? I have tried on all builds of JustHome to install it with other panels (like ATContacts, CVolume) and every time I installed the Multiplugin, it corrupts the other panels, leaving them permanently disabled. I have had to hard reset just to get Titanium working correctly again...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mikeybags:
Also, based on what I'm reading, I think I'm going to stick with v11 right now. It had alot of things I liked, namely the haptic feedback and on screen keyboard. However, I seem to have issues with it freezing up, specifically when I wake it up from the screen being off. Sometimes it'll glitch a bit, the unlock thing will come up, then disappear before coming up again, and sometimes it freezes up. Weird thing is the vibrating feedback is still there but the screen is usually blank or the top bar is there but no unlock icon. It has also frozen a couple of times while I was actively using the phone but it's much less often than from locked.

What might be the cause of that?

That is honestly the only issue with v11 I have, aside from that it's perfect.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Speedyp:
Originally Posted by ivanmmj

It's because I had changed it from the clocks and alarm to the calendar on one of the older versions. I guess this new build broke that.

It's not that difficult.

HKLM>software>microsoft>chome>CClock

change SK2URL to calendar;AppRunToHandleNotification
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mikeybags:
Well I can live with that. Any idea on the freezes? ;)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] raptoro07:
Well, after further review and modification to get it like I want. I think v17 is better and faster than v11. It seems to be going just fine. Great job ivan.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
The freezing sounds like the Automatic Screen Lock's problem. Ivan didn't include that app this time because he wanted the phone to be faster, but on v11, the screen lock will come up each time you turn on the phone, and that often causes the screen to flicker or be a little weird. But I always got it to work with no problems.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mikeybags:
Well, I really like the screen lock program, and it's especially useful to me since I'm known to be calling people from my contacts all day while the phone is in my pocket...:o

Is there a similar lock program which might not cause these issues for me? Aside from the freezing (obviously), I liked the program and the way it works alot.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] jomasecu:
Wifi working?

Edit: Nevermind, it crashed and when it came back on the wifi worked. :D

Hi, I'm having a problem with my wifi connection after installing JustHome (which, by the way, is pretty frickin awesome!). When I first turned on the wifi, it found the network, which is WPA2, so I entered the key, and then the wifi was off. Each time I turn the wifi on it tries to connect for a sec and then says unavaliable, and the wifi adapter is off again.

Sorry if this has been covered before... there's a lot of thread to go through. I did see one post from way back when saying to hit the wifi on button twice to make it work, but I can't... it turns into a wifi off button after the first time, and that doesn't help. :P

Thanks!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Well I was just looking at another app (from my Pre's browser), so once I get home, i'll test it out and see if it locks better. I should be testing it in 10 minutes.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] apreichner:
Well if you want the default lock screen, you could always just set Password Lock, and that will automatically lock it when its sleeping.

Or you can use S2U2.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Password lock always used to have lots of issues and slowed down the phone greatly. Unless they've changed something, password lock isn't a good idea.

I'm testing the new app right now...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] NorrinRadd:
Awesome build!!!! Though, anything IVAN touches is golden IMHO ^_^

I like both V11 and V17, but for me I really like V11 a bit more as I didn't notice much difference personally between the 2 after applying all my V11 hacks to V17. So just stuck with V11 since it looks better without MS' odd graphics decisions. Plus I'm just grateful I can have some productivity back, since I'm temporarily without my fave interface (PointUI Home2) and applet (Sonic MyStatus 2.5) :( I am still recoding the MyStatus applet and needed a quick breakfix for productivity for the time being. Here's my WM6.5 panel mods...

1) Changed all softkey's and Actionurls in panels to my liking, like making left softkey pull up Calendar in Month View, right softkey in Clock mode pull up Contacts, point to different programs, etc.

2) Modded CLauncher to display pictures to utilize bottom blank space when using this panel as your bottom/last one order-wise.

3) Added various statuses, like next alarm, next appointment, current weather icon, tasks counters (due today, past due, total active tasks) to Titanium Weather Panel condensed mode.

4) Re-did layouts of all panels I use like CommMgr, TitaniumWeather, Notifications, Taskanium, etc. to fit better on our QVGA screen as well as order icons/pages within to my needs like placing Bluetooth as first page in CommMgr...

5) Created a My Docs panel based from CLauncher to have quick access to all my favorite or currently working on documents.

6) Probably add more meters or an actual Calendar to the top empty space, but still not sure what I should utilize that area for just yet...

Thanks for all your hard work on this ROM, without it I'd be screwed productivity-wise since I'm still re-coding my PointUI applets to work on the latest Home2 version!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Well, there's also this "Auto Lock" program. It works just like the program that was included in v11, but there are more customizable options. You already know what the lock screen looks like, and it'll be just like that. The screen also does flicker when you turn it on, but that's just how the Windows Mobile Lock Screen will always be, it probably struggles running on our phones, lol. So try it out, and tell us if it fixed the freezing issues!

Auto Lock - DOWNLOAD - Developer's Page

Setup - The settings are under Start -> CSDevCtrl -> Setup -> (LOCK) Triggers & Options and you will probably want to check Lock After Device Wakes box.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
task Manager V2

when i used this i cannot control the volume :confused: can anyone help me please
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Use your volume slider on the side of the phone. It's not Task Manager v 2, it's Ivan's notification enhancemenet that is interfiering. Just use the volume slider on the side of your phone, and then volume bar will pop up. Tell me if that isn't working, cuz if it isn't then it's more serious of a problem.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
ohh okay then ill see wats up
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mikeybags:
Thanks ace, I'll give this a shot.

Do I have to do anything to remove the lock is already on the phone? I looked in remove programs and it wasn't in there so I wasn't sure if it was 'hard coded' in or something (sorry for the noob speak). Just install and I'm good to go?

And the flicker doesn't bother me..I'm not that picky. I just mentioned it because I thought it might be relevant to the freezing issue. I guess it's more common than I thought.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
If you are running the latest version, v17, then no, nothing needs to be uninstalled. If you are running v11, then just go to Start -> Settings and find a Smart Lock icon, uncheck all the boxes in the settings on that Smart Lock page, and then install the new one. That should work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mikeybags:
Ok. Yeah, I'm running v11. Thanks.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] raptoro07:
I am having one bug I think. from time to time with v17 it seems the rhodium notification stops. when i touch the taskbar it does like the original: volume brings up volume and signals bring up that info. after reset, when i touch the taskbar it brings up the notification screen. anyone else experience this?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
I've had that happen with other Ivan ROMs before. Its probably just a bug associated with the Rhodium Notification Enhancement, not much we can do.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] SSJ_Gomike:
Hmm...ok *think*

Opera Mini does not work for me

Pandora not working

Freezes up

In File Explorer sometimes a folder looks broken in half

In Meda Player, the "Options" menus are not showng

Installed Smart Lock and it does not work (maybe a buld problem)

Have gone back to v11.....did not install any "flash" plugins and my endless boot cycle with the SD card in is no longer a problem :)

Right now v11 working perfectly....
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Opera Mini works fine for me

Pandora works so far

File Explorer looks fine when I use it

From what I can tell, Options show up in Media Player

Smart Lock worked fine, you have to set it up though, in Start -> Settings -> Smart Lock, and check the options you want

Idk, Ivan, are people somehow downloading a crappy version? Mine works perfectly.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
That's what I'm trying to figure out... lol It works 100% on my phone and many other phones but others are having problems left and right. Something isn't right...

I'm actually tired of cooking...

I think I might halt production of this. I might release it as a kitchen, not sure, yet. I AM going to release a kitchen in general, though.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
It'll be pretty lame when you leave us, Ivan. But hopefully someone will pick up your work and carry on the Ivan legacy.

Maybe I'll learn how to work the kitchen, but I won't be nearly as good as you.