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[General Topics] juiceppc:
Good review! I currently use a U.S. Touch Diamond and only because of it's size. I do not like the Diamonds styling. It's too pointy! The x960 looks comfortable with rounded edges and is one of very few phones that have a flush screen and 850/1900 3G bands. Also the dpad(if you can call it that) on the Diamond is HORRIBLE. The dpad on the x960 looks MUCH better. Any comments on that? Also the speaker on the Diamond is HORRIBLE. How would you rate the speaker on the x960? Quiet, medium or loud? I rate the Diamond's quiet-medium.

Also you mentioned you've never used a Diamond but do you have other PPC's to take a picture next to the x960 for size comparison? Thanks.

I really was eyeing up the F900 but the smaller size of the x960 is tempting. But then again the larger screen of the F900 is tempting too. :)
[General Topics] jinvox:
Acer M900 VS Touch Pro 2

That would be a great review to do in the upcoming months...

Can't wait for the M900 Review, the 5 mega pixel camera and that spacious keyboard and a Samsung Chip sounds very compelling.
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Send me a Touch Pro 2 and I'll do one for ya! ;)

As for the X960's dpad, the silver ring is raised from the button and angled inwards, making it fairly comfy and easy to use. Easily my favourite dpad yet.
[General Topics] rambo6:
Floating:

Thanks for your posts. I'm very stoked for the M900. The memory shouldn't be a problem, particularly if one can set it up so that it uses the SD card for temporary internet files, pics, etc. I'm going to have to set a few bills aside just to try it.
[General Topics] Baxter:
Thanks for the review! I'm sorta in the market again after my wife's Touch took a swim the other day. I put it in my food dehydrator overnight and everything but the two red/green phone buttons work. I used AEButtons to disable them and the phone is operable. I may give her my Diamond and get something new for myself. I live about 10 miles from Garmin and I'm trying to get a friend of mine to let me check out the M20 ASAP.

One question regarding the X960 - Can you disable all of the silly UI apps and run it as a generic WM device?

I still have an ETEN M600 BTW :)
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Yeah. You can uninstall all the extra apps if you want.
[General Topics] efjay:
Nice review FFM and I would like to add my vote for T-Mo US frequencies in future Acer devices. T-Mo users are severely limited when it comes to unlocked 3G WM devices and options are always good.
[General Topics] jinner:
Any chance you can get your hands on a DX900? I'm considering it, but don't know about the Dual Sim capabilities and how the phone performs.
[General Topics] derekwilkinson:
That MP3 player in the first screen shot looks awesome. Too bad this phone is VGA so I couldn't get it even if it were in a ROM dump :rolleyes:
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
I have a DX900... It's in my sig. ;) What would you like to know about it?
[General Topics] kond23:
About the DX900, I have one in my hand as well, it is a great device, however could you please let me know why when you are on a call and you dial a number there is no sound? Also what is the most recent WWE on the DX900? Will Acer provide his ACER Shell for the DX900 ?
[General Topics] jinner:
for the DX900,

How is battery life with two sims running?

That is the one issue I have with 3G, and what it would do with 2 sims.

How is the responsiveness of the unit?

Call quality?

Also as feedback to Acer, someone should come out with a model where the sim can be removed without taking the battery out. ala Treo 650 as it is cumbersome when I want to swap out my sim to a usb stick.

Thanks!
[General Topics] kond23:
Battery life is about 16hrs with regular use of the phone. The unit is very responsive compared to lets say AT&T unit that has WM6.1. Call quality is great with no problems. The plus is that if you are on a call on Sim1 you will get a call on Sim2. As far as the sim coming out, you could use your phone as the modem.....
[General Topics] Franchise809:
Hey man Great Review I like Acer's new timeline laptops. And I have been going around the net begging for a new Front-facing silder Winmo Pro phone. Hopefully Acer Or Htc Will be the ones to come out with one. I am Looking Forward to the Acer F1 And future Acer Phones.
[General Topics] hs0wxg:
Thank you for your reply for this model. But unfortunately, I still don't know when will acer debut in Thailand. And could you please let me have cost of it? For your device. Thank you again... :)
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Sorry, can't help you there. My device is a review unit, so didn't actually cost me anything.
[General Topics] hs0wxg:
Thank you for your reply. So I will wait until Acer Thai debut the device.

Thank you again...:)
[General Topics] evermore:
m900 review coming?

Anxiously awaiting your review of the m900. Is it close? :)
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Will try to get it finished this weekend. Been a busy week for me!
[General Topics] iantaylor27:
acer m900

Hi friend, please help with these questions

Does the acer m900 have internet explorer mobile 6 with flash lite 3.1 in rom?

How much ram is left after bootup?

Does it come with opera mobile like HTC?

Is the slide firm etc?

Is it more late april release or early may in UK?

Thanks
[General Topics] Pat007:
Any update on this?

I'm also eargerly awaiting an indepth review on this device. The Acer phones look like great devices however Acer being new in this arena I'd rather heard the opinion of knowledgeable people before forking out that much money.

Pat
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Yes, it ships with IE6. No seperate Flash Lite 3.1 BUT it is able to play YouTube videos out of the box, so it's probably part of IE6.

RAM is dependant entirely on what programs you have running. Boot straight to the standard WM today screen though, leaves approx 54MB free.

No Opera Mobile.

The slide is very solid feeling with very good action. I'm not worried about it breaking.

No idea of release dates, sorry.
[General Topics] iantaylor27:
Acer

Thanks, does the Acer Dx900 also have new ie6 with new rom, what about x960? i decided on the DX900 as its unique, M900 would be nice but its big and heavier, finish university so dont need to do lots of data entry etc.
[General Topics] galaxys:
the Acer F1 with Snapdragon has very impressive specs for September release!
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
Any details of specs? I can't wait for a nice clamshell acer.
[General Topics] galaxys:
^^ here's the F1 spec's (not clamshell, but more like the HD with a lot more horse power): http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1865
[General Topics] addicus:
Looks nice.
[General Topics] :
Acer M900 3G bands

Hi,

I'm an extensive windows mobile user to the point that my mobile always asking to stop running applications due to low memory & that's why I'm waiting for the Acer M900 but I will never buy it unless it supports 3G (850 + 1900). After extensive online search, I found that there are confusion about it as the official "Acer" site states it's 3G as (850/1900/2100) but the dealers online are stating it's a "900/2100". Any confirmation please?

Thanks
[General Topics] NuShrike:
This sounds like FUD coming from pocketnow.com whom want to deny that Qualcomm MSM devices SUCK when the Touch Pro and the Xperia X1 didn't benchmark to their expectations.
[General Topics] ianl8888:
For those who wanted an ACER DX900 or X960 ROM to extract various CAB's, these are now publically available from:

ftp://ftp.acer-euro.com/smartphone/

The ROM's are downloadable in EXE form. Just run the EXE and leave the window open. Search for temp.dat (ROM, and equivalent to HTC's nbh ROM file)

To extract temp.dat into component elements, use the DX900_Tools available from http://eten-users.eu:

place the temp.dat file inside the DX900_Tools folder and click "extract.exe". A new ROM folder appears after some activity - the CAB files are in the \Extrom folder

I have both a DX900 and an X960. As I have no great need for 2 SIM's, I prefer the X960 - the only disappointment is that to date the ephemeral sat data update is missing :(
[General Topics] Psygnosis84:
But...it's Acer *shudder
[General Topics] ianl8888:
Yes, but the devices (DX900, X960 and now F900) are able to access the UMTS 850Mhz frequency ... so there is Internet connection available in Canada, US, S Americas, Aus, S Africa

HTC's decision to remove the UMTS 850Mhz frequency has caused a lot of grief for a large part of the world. Oh, and I've read all their excuses, and followed the US Court case of Qualcomm vs Broadcomm, but I still have a Polaris P3650 which does access this frequency.
[General Topics] Psygnosis84:
Yeah but i didn't shudder because of the features but Acer in general, they have always produced bags of ****.

This phone looks great, but will it break down faster than a HTC phone; i'd say so.
[General Topics] hdubli:
well ext rom cabs have the cab file for satellite data update..and I recall when i was using x800, I never used gps data download, it always used to get fix in few seconds
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Were E-Ten phones always this bad? As far is I've heard, they were comparable to HTC, like iMate, just more solid since they build it themselves.
[General Topics] Baxter:
E-Ten was a pioneer and produced solid devices years ago. I still have a M600. The only brand I gave it up for was HTC. I have no idea what kind of quality we will see as the ACER brand. I've been an HTC fan for a few years since I bought a Trinity, Touch and then a Diamond. I do like the specs on some of the new Acer models though.
[General Topics] ianl8888:
Yes, but the problem of TTFF becomes apparent in unfavourable atmospheric conditions (rain, heavy cloud, magnetic fields induced by electrical activity etc)
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Whilst ETEN are now Acer, the people designing and making the phones are STILL the ETEN people. None of them have been replaced.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Hi sir, so do you have a M900 review out?

Could you please tell me if GLBenchmark (the Windows Mobile CM version) runs on either your X960 or your M900, and if you get any benchmark numbers out of it? Thanks!

Too bad the M900 is still smaller than my CLIE NX80 reference.
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Ah, sorry... Due to RL issues, I never did finish my M900 review... :(

As for GLBenchmark, I tried it, but it doesn't run. All I get is a white screen, which drops back to the home screen if I tap it. Also, there are no OpenGL drivers included on the device so you have to use software ones, which might be responsible for GLBenchmark crashing.

Mind you, this is an old version (1.02). If you have a newer one, I'll gladly try it out!
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Oh well, thanks! That used to be the behavior for the Kaiser also until it got working 3D drivers ...

Do you get any results with just the plain CPU benchmarks at least? Maybe this would help place it on a definitive scale versus HTC. Thanks!

I wonder how the Acer accomplishes some of the 3D in the interface (like the globe, an the cover flow pictures), if it has no 3D GL drivers ... :/
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
It's still just whites out. I'll see about getting the SPB benchmarking program on there. Will that do you?

As for the 3D, the shell is a flash interface, so I imagine the globe is done in flash too. It's pretty fast and fluid though, even without 3D drivers. Only ever gets a bit jerky when I've a lot of programs running.

EDIT: I only did a few of the tests, and SPB Benchmark is getting a little long in the tooth now, but here you go.

Graphics test: DDB BitBlt 7.51 ms 133 frames/sec
Graphics test: DIB BitBlt 16.1 ms 62 frames/sec
Graphics test: GAPI BitBlt 6.23 ms 161 frames/sec
Compress 1 MB file using ZIP 3826 ms 265 KB/sec
Decompress 1024x768 JPEG file 463 ms 608 KB/sec
Arkaball frames per second 8.43 ms 119 frames/sec
CPU test: Whetstones MFLOPS 4292 ms 0.087 Mop/sec
CPU test: Whetstones MOPS 1056 ms 59.6 Mop/sec
CPU test: Whetstones MWIPS 7574 ms 6.6 Mop/sec
Memory test: copy 1 MB using memcpy 5.23 ms 191 MB/sec

Also, bear in mind that my device is NOT running a production ROM. It's running a pre-release debug version which has logging and such going on, so that slows it down.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Definitely helps! Vsbenchmark if you got the time for it too, please! :)

I'm comparing your results against http://r2satellite.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!EA3E56FF46082C90!394.entry

What I can glean is graphics speed is ~same as Touch Pro (or faster @ DIB) for a 25% taller screen for the DDB, DIB, GAPI, and Arkaball tests.

ZIP compression is slower than TP but faster than a Hermes. Same for JPEG decompression, and Whetstones (meaning system floating-point libs aren't using the FPU!).

However, memory bandwidth for copying 1MB is faster than any optimized version of the Touch Pro, as presented in the ...spaces.live.com results.

Well, I was hoping for more definitive use of the iPhone-like FPU and GPU, but decent results.
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Alas, VSBenchmarks isn't working either. It just hangs the phone as soon as I tap the icon.

I'm planning to redo those SPB Benchmark tests with the debug logging disabled. The OS is still a debug build, but with the actually log writing disabled, might improve some results.

We'll see.

OK. Some extra benchmark results.

First, GAPI Benchmark V2.0:

Display Test: 82.43 fps
Float Test: 1.089 fps
Integer Test: 42.90 fps
Flickering Test: 38.8 fps NO FLICKER
3D Test: 100 fps (Not sure this worked right)
Real Float Test: 10.5
Mem & CPU score: 10000.0

SPB Benchmarks (OS debug logging turned off):

Test Time Speed % of iPAQ 3650* speed
Graphics test: DDB BitBlt 8.11 ms 123 frames/sec
Graphics test: DIB BitBlt 15.6 ms 64.1 frames/sec
Graphics test: GAPI BitBlt 8.38 ms 119 frames/sec
Compress 1 MB file using ZIP 3087 ms 328 KB/sec
Decompress 1024x768 JPEG file 465 ms 604 KB/sec
Arkaball frames per second 10.3 ms 97.3 frames/sec
CPU test: Whetstones MFLOPS 4416 ms 0.084 Mop/sec
CPU test: Whetstones MOPS 1016 ms 62 Mop/sec
CPU test: Whetstones MWIPS 7647 ms 6.54 Mop/sec
Memory test: copy 1 MB using memcpy 4.85 ms 206 MB/sec
[General Topics] ianl8888:
I'll try again for comments on specific X960 questions:

[I quite like the device, but as usual some irritating bugs]

1) the lack of AGPS was noted in my earlier post. Trying to use the Sat Data Update CAB from the DX900 doesn't work ... the X960 downloads but refuses to accept the data. So no go - I hope Acer have this on the "fixit" list. Cold Start is an issue

2) There is some very strange wifi behaviour with both the DX900 and X960. This means it is an Acer problem, not device-specific. If you click the Network Adaptor tab simply to check it's settings, access to the Internet through a LAN stops working reliably. A Hard Reset is the only resolution I have found

Any comments, please ?
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
Why do you need it? AGPS isn't included in the X960, so that SDU application is NOT going to work no matter how hard you try. I get a fix on my X960 in seconds, so I don't see what difficulty you're having?

Never seen that happen, but if it only happens when going to the Networkl Adaptor tab, then... don't GO to that tab? There shouldn't really be a need to in the general course of events anyway.
[General Topics] ianl8888:
How to deal with this expediency ?

1) I know AGPS isn't in the X960, that was my point. TTFF depends primarily on atmospheric conditions, so AGPS is a needed utility in poorer conditions

Acer need to include this in an update ROM. "I'm all right, Jack" doesn't cut it as an answer

2) "Never seen this happen" is an evasion, a straw man. Have you tried it ?

Avoiding the Network Adaptor tab is weak answer, useful only in the very short term. An upgrade ROM needs to resolve this issue, because settings for a local LAN need to be addressed. As it stands, both the DX900 and the X960 have this exact issue, so it is an Acer driver issue with the Marvell GSPI86861 wifi circuit
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
They don't NEED to do anything, you'd just LIKE them to.

Official stance from Acer is that the "X960 doesn't support AGPS functionality".

If I hadn't tried it, I wouldn't have commented. I have, and it works fine here.
[General Topics] arliss:
FloatingFatMan,

A review of the M900 still would be much appreciated, also real photos

best,
[General Topics] ianl8888:
1) I have a screenshot from Acer Europe (April 2009) detailing the X960 specs - it includes AGPS. So marketing BS still doesn't cut it !!

The GPS system is deliberately crippled - likely for retail marketing price reasons

2) "I'm all right, Jack" - has no credibility.

1st, you sneer "Then don't touch it" (ie. the Network Adaptor tab)

2nd, you then claim it works for you.

I've tried this straight off a Hard Reset (to avoid any potential 3rd party program interference). My comment stands

Ho hum
[General Topics] hdubli:
wait for a day..willm check something and let u know..
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
I spoke to someone I know at Acer about that, and he assures me it was a misprint and should never have gone to press like that. The X960 doesn't have AGPS capability, and it isn't going to GET it, sorry.

I would suggest to you that you may have a faulty device. I've seen no other reports of this problem which you claim affects all X960's, and it certainly doesn't affect mine.

Perhaps it's the wireless router you're trying to connect to? I know mine tends to drop out every once in a while and won't let anything connect to it.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Thanks for those benchmark results.

Btw, I just came on some new information and wanted to check to see if these files exist on your S3C6410 cpu-based device.

Do you have any libgles* files such as libglesv2.dll and a libEGL.dll?
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Well, if the m900 rom I dumped is really from a m900, then I've found libEGL.dll, libglesv1_cm.dll, and libglesv2.dll on it.

This means this device (and maybe the other S3C6410 based Acers, and other S3C6410-based WM devices) also support OpenGL ES.

Now the question is to create a compatibility shim so apps expecting libgles_cm.dll will also work properly and we can get off this HTC/Qualcomm horse.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Here's my test with a production m900 using SPB Benchmark:

Graphics test: DDB BitBlt
[m900] 7.42 ms 51752 pixels/ms [TouchPro] 11.38ms 26994.7 pixels/ms [Omnia i900] 2ms 48000 pixels/ms
Graphics test: DIB BitBlt
[m900] 15.4ms 24935 pixels/ms [TouchPro] 30.57ms 10049 pixels/ms [Omnia] 16ms 6000 pixels/ms
Graphics test: GAPI BitBlt
[m900] 6.25ms 61440 pixels/ms [TouchPro] fails to run benchmark [Omnia] 1ms 96000 pixels/ms
Arkaball:
[m900] 8.45ms [TouchPro] 3.78ms [Omnia] 3.21ms (not sure if this test is valid due to pixel scaling)
[m900] zip 2888ms [TouchPro] 3021ms [Omnia] 2871.2ms
[m900] jpg 458ms [TouchPro] 424.2ms [Omnia] 423.4ms
[m900] mflops 4289.2 [TouchPro] 3675.1 [Omnia] 3044.3
[m900] mops 1014 [TouchPro] 1056 [Omnia] 708.8
[m900] mwips 7566 [TouchPro] 7392.4 [Omnia] 6238.2
[m900] memcpy 5.199ms [TouchPro] 8.852 [Omnia] 6.418ms

Conclusion, 2x faster than Touch Pro per pixel for GDI, and Omnia is unbelievable.

Addendum:

Qualcomm 72xx seems pretty fast for some integer operations (jpg), but it's starved for memory bandwidth (slow memcpy) the way it's implemented.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
Well, I can turn on the FPU on the m900 and it can do hardware-accelerated floating point math.

Numbers: 1000000 iterations of a simple inverse-squareroot (necessary for 3D vector normalization)

On the Touch Pro:

o 120xx ms with C-library FPU emulation

o ~19xx ms with custom asm-optimized fixed-point routine

Same floating-point emulation routines on m900:

o 117xx ms with C-library FPU emulation

o 119x ms with custom asm-optimized fixed-point routine

compiler using /QRfpe- to generate inline FPU instructions:

o 109xx ms (very slight improvement)

o 119x ms (expected)

o ~191 ms with asm routine using VFP-sqrt ~57x improvement

The red part is the hidden hardware-acceleration that can now be accessed. Btw, this is the same CPU the Omnia II and Omnia Pro (Louvre) is going to use.

p.s. the m900 DOES have AGPS ability.
[General Topics] FloatingFatMan:
How do you enable it, and what other affects does it have on general device performance and battery life?
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
indeed, i'd love to know that as well!!!
[General Topics] NuShrike:
A special sequence of asm can enable the FPU.

Problem is because they didn't fully implement FPU support in the kernel so there's no context switch save/restore. Meaning, as soon as you switch threads/processes the new thread/process can destroy the previous FPU state. The only way to use the FPU then would be in a single-threaded, global library, that blocks out all IRQs that would be a context switch.

So, doesn't affect the system/battery because the system ignores it entirely and uses only the FPU emulation libraries.

That's been my complaint on 4winmobile, Acer needs to ship a VFP-enabled WinCE kernel which involves implementing only 3 function calls. I do doubt that's going to happen, since only the Motorola Q (as far as I know) ever had this implemented properly.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
I've ported LevelSight to the m900 now. Let me know if it works for the X960 also ...

Next, is opengles tweaking, and maybe a FPU driver.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
FPU tests

Some incomplete M900 FPU acceleration tests!:

[default] mflops 4289.2 [fpu] 947ms (0.393 Mop/sec)
[default] mops 1014 [fpu] 1182 ms (53.3 Mop/sec)
[default] mwips 7566 [fpu] 1570ms (31.9Mop/sec)

Compare with the "HTC Leo".
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
Im confused.

How does a decrease in the million floating point operations work out as an improvement? Or are they saying the HD is 150% better/improvement over the Leo??? :confused:

Of course, maybe the defintion of those terms has changed since I last new them ..... which to be honest, was many years ago since my last assembler days!

Mflops - million floating point operations second

mops - Milliion operations per second (?)

mwips - million whetstones per second

So surley, the LARGER the number, the better ....

(which btw, makes my M900, VERY tasty indeed!)

Maybe they have the column titles the wrong way round and the HD and Leo should be swapped around?
[General Topics] NuShrike:
If you aren't already there, the Modaco thread on this:

http://www.modaco.com/content/i8000-omnia-ii-http-i8000-modaco-com/293601/fpu-enabler/#entry1080023
[General Topics] NuShrike:
It's probably in ms, would be more useful if they posted in Mops/sec instead.
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
ms? Miliseconds? Im still confused.
[General Topics] NuShrike:
milliseconds to run the test. I'm assuming the lower the better for Mops?
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
bah.... we're guessing and neither of us really understand how they have come to those figures. With that in mind, I cannot use or even care about these figures. They are not clear and appear to be VERY misleading.

If these are read the industry standard way, and they should be, they are using industry standard acronyms, then the Leo is a downgrade..... or they have the column titles the wrong way around.

Why would they put this up and not specify the measuring criteria? Madness.
[General Topics] Aafi-rocks:
I am confused..

I was planning to buy HTC Touch 2, but after reading the review from FlotingFatMan.. I am confused.. should I buy Acer x960 or HTC Touch 2..
[General Topics] Aafi-rocks:
I finally brought a Samsung Omnia GT i8000.. :)

HTC phones are very xpensive in India..
[General Topics] jonaspimenta:
i have the same problem, if htc touch 2 had 2ªnd camera i wouldn't hesitate
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] sielski666:
hey guys any chance someone knows a ilastrated guide on how to change/replace my touch screen. cheers
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] megagprime:
sorry, no tutorials. just gotta dive in like i did

its not hard :)

its best to get a digitizer/lcd combo
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] R3PUBL1K:
HTC Diamond service manual

This Official service guide may help you?

get it HERE

:D