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[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jpmalum:
Dude go for the Touch Pro II, i currently have the HD, but i need a physical keyboad since i tend to type alot on it, mails & sms's

Th eonly up side for the HD against TPII is its 3.5 audio jack, camera and slightly bigger screen of .2''
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] shuflie:
Don't forget the HD is a much slimmer phone, its even thinner than the Diamond 2 and only a little bit thicker than the original Diamond. May not be that important to you, but if you carry your phone around with you it can make quite a difference.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bogdatov:
I have HD and ...

I have HD myself and it works OK in US. I'm using GSM only (no 3G) as you are going to.

Both phones are quad-band GSM phones, so they will work on TMO and ATT (GSM only).

TP2 also has TV Out which HD lacks.

Previously I had HTC Wizard with slide-out kbd. If you type a lot - physical kbd is a MUST. I'm ok with soft-kbd on HD, but I do not type much. But when I chat on ICQ ... man, I miss that kbd from Wizard.

Also HD seems much thinner (at least from videos I saw). That could be a factor.

Both miss front D-Pad - it turns out - big drawback for me :( Too many games rely on d-pad. I mean - real games :) It started to change though.

Bottom line ... if you type a lot and play games a lot - get TP2. Or need TV Out. Otherwise - get HD.

Personally - I'm staying with HD.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Sate:
Basically the situation is a little funny. The Touch HD, Touch Pro 2, and Touch Diamond 2, are all pretty much the same exact phone. All the hardware is the same, all software is the same, only difference is the exterior casing.

Between HD and Diamond2, I have no idea what they are trying to do. You can buy a HD and flash it to the new topaz ROM, and bam you have a touch diamond2, like out of a time machine from the future! In fact the HD casing is nicer/thinner than the Diamond2, so it's even better!

For Pro2, it's exactly a touch HD/Diamond2 + a keyboard. For this you can say it's better if you don't mind the extra thickness, it's up to you between how much you want a keyboard and how much you want a thin phone. All the small keyboards from no matter what phone I don't like, they are too small to be used seriously, if I need to seriously type, I would bring a foldable full-size BT keyboard with me in pocket. But this is my preference. If you want keyboard, get pro2, if you don't, get HD.

I don't know where diamond2 fits in, it's same as HD but worse, it's thicker and smaller screen and no headphone jack and you have to wait to buy it while HD is out now, does that make any sense?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
well its smaller, also its got the sharpest screen, and also its not THAT much thicker but it is smaller and I think has better battery life but I see what you mean I want the touch pro 2 but if not that then the hd
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
I´ll definetly take the TP2, it has a physical keyboard!!!

For me is a must
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] johseph:
Found 2 cents in my pocket, let me add it to the mix a roo

Ok, so I battled back and forth between the Sony X1 and the HD, I live in the US and my girlfriend in the UK so she was doing the shopping and the guy at the store was telling her go for the X1 if it were him thats what he would choose. That would be great coming from a TyTnII then a Kaiser, BUT i was SOOOO sick of all of the Iphone fantards that there was no way I was gonna pass the opportunity to get a killer device that would shut them the F up so i got the HD. I worked in mobile phone sales after high school in the mid 90s so I have been around them for ages and the Motorola flip phone was the greatest thing on earth. The Touch HD is by far the greatest hand held mobile device I have ever had. Looks great, works very well and even the Iphoners were saying well I dont need to record video and and and well I can read my MRIs on my phone and play slot machines to decide where to have dinner. Umm ok shut up and go play with your little toy in your room right. All this aside, i HATED not having a keyboard/D pad. This phone was the toast of the Beverly Hills Hotel and I broke the no mobile phones on your person rule and my manager never even uttered a word. No way I was leaving that beauty in my locker right! I tried every program for keyboards and still after all that, I sold it! Shipped it out yesterday as a matter of fact, and almost cried (not really but i almost told the guy i broke it and was gonna refund his money). SO with that said when the TP2 comes out, I WILL be back to typing fast and not screwing up and taking 2 min to type Ok ill be right over, do I need to stop off and pick up condoms and vodka!

Things I will miss

The look of the phone, its cool and sleek, but I felt like it was a little cheap feeling, i like feeling that my phone can stop an assasins bullet if need be. With the HD im a dead muthasucka

The 3.5MM headphone jack, BUT there is a tiny little adaptor i found online that looks kinda cool and not long and silly looking.

WAP vs the HTML internet, but I was assured by a post on another page that with Opera Mini (geesh) i should not have any concerns with surfing the net

.2 inch larger screen. This microscopic difference is so insignificant that even that much growth on my anatomy would be un noticed right, so who cares.

Not sure if there is a stylus but I like using that at times but we shall see about that.

Anyway I guess if you couldnt tell Im leaning way towards TP2, even though there is no D pad (wtf) and i need an adaptor to use my headphones, taking less time to type emails and such is very important and that is why i have to buy!!!!:)

This is the link for that headset adaptor, i think its like $7

http://www.javoedge.com/reflexeshop...&pbmId=16020&gclid=CMargqeD45kCFRBbagod8z-bQg
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I have an adapter that's kinda like that but more of a squarish shape. Also yeah I don't think the diamond 2 is that ood of a phone comparedt to the other 2 but it is also the cheapest, but im not sure but it does have a few advantages over the diamond like battery life, size, and yeah the thickness isnt that much of a difference anyways, so it baiscally depends on how much size on a phone you will sacrafice for a bigger screen
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gkai:
Yep, I am like you. I hesitated between TD2 and HD (I do not like keyboards, I do not do enough typing on my phone/pda to accept the added thickness, soft keyboard is enough for me).

I am more leaning to TD2: cheaper, smaller so more pocketable make it my number one pick over the HD (although would miss the 3.8'' screen, 3.2 is just a little bit small - my perfect device would be TD2 with a 3.4/3.5'' screen (it is possible keeping the overall size, just reducing screen borders, especially the empty space under the buttons...), and either thinner or, even better, with a larger battery...I have seen pics of the batter of the TD2 and TD1, and TD2 batter seems 2 times as large as the TD1....why is it only 1100 mAh is beyond me, by the look of it I would have expected at leat 1300-1400 mAh, it is either thinner or HTC is being conservative with its battery capacities....

3.5mm jack is a little bit annoying, but I seldom listem music on my phone anyway, so either an adapter or the included earphones would not bother me too much
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Cheeze[iT]:
I had both the Touch HD and the Xperia X1i. I love the big screen but i miss the keyboard. I would have stayed with the Xperia but the speaker sucked and I often missed calls. I'm looking to get the Touch Pro 2 as it seems to be a combination of both phones to me. i hope the speaker is as good as the Touch HD, if not better.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I think that some companies make unofficial batteries that are like 2 times the size so u might want to get one of those then
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
I am pretty sure it will be amazing since it has 2 speakers :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
Yea, the 3.5mm jack is getting to be less important over the keyboard. Mainly due to the fact that their is an adapter from the usb, and if i got the HD, i couldn't do much about the keyboard.

I know their is no D-pad, but the TP2 Does have the hard keyboard, with Arrow keys.. couldn't you use that to play games?

As far as uses? I dont know. I dont much experience using a phone with a keyboard so i couldn't say if i will use it a lot until i have it available to me. I could very likely get use to the soft keyboard, but if i had a hard keyboard, id like get use to that over the soft. My 3125 is a normal number pad so either the hard or soft would be an improvement for me.

The headphone jack, ive been thinking that i likely wouldn't use quite as much. The only time i get the opportunity to listen to music is when im either driving, or waiting on something and frankly when im out in public i dont like putting on headphones because it makes me oblivious to whats going on around me. Plus, as stated, i could easily get an adapter now that their are several available.

Even tho ill have to wait that much longer (2 more months.. meeehh) i think im falling in the TP2's direction.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] bugsykoosh:
Here's a cahrt comparing the features of the Touch Pro, Touch Pro 2, Diamond 2 and Touch HD: http://www.fuzemobility.com/the-titans-compared/

I thinkt he HD does very well actually...in fact if it gets a software update it may be the winner with the largest screen (it's really great to type on).
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] etix:
Hi readers,

I got my Blackstone for a few days now. I know sorta how Windows Mobile works, because i had a HTC Touch ELF before. Now i installed Windows Live, and Skype. And i cant get any of them to work.

I searched a lot, and all said problem with proxy etc etc, but i dont got all that. Opera works fine, TouchFlow can get everything from the internet aswell, but my IM messengers are lazy and give errors.

I got T-Mobile NL, i tryed to put the connection manually with the information privided by T-Mobile, i tryed to let him autoconfigurate it, but all without succes.

I posted some screenshots, with the error, and how my internet configuration is.

I use Dutty's rom, but the origional rom didnt make it work either.

So, anyone with the same problem, or someone know a solution, pleace let me hear.

etix
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] etix:
Hmm, hard question? Or do i ask a stupid one.

I somehow got Skype to work, but somehow Windows Live Messenger is irritating by balls of. It's still not working. Tryed to put 3G of, nothing, no proxy, no nothing. It must be loving to iritate me.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] jaxouk:
Ive got this problem too, i think the messenger only works with wifi...(at least that the only way i can get it to work).
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] namaste74:
I've had this little bug too, Messenger refuses any other connection than Wifi, or only 3G. There was a new version released not long ago, look here http://home.mobile.live.com/ and maybe the update will help you
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] etix:
Hmm, the link you provided i cant see any download link, tough http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=505188 will link you to it.

And it works
[G1 General] TimSykes:
Did anyone elses internet stop working today? I have had mine working for a few months fow, and this morning, boom, no internet. It said I needed to upgrade my plan.
[G1 General] Boeboe:
did it occur to you to contact T-Mobile about this? Surely they can fix this for you.
[G1 General] TimSykes:
not if there is a way around this. I don’t want a price increase for the same service, the price increase is dumb, and why do I need to pay more for the same service that I would get with my WinMo phone. I don’t even have 3g in my area.
[G1 General] Boeboe:
I have no clue what you are saying :confused:. Customer support is free as far as I know? I don't have T-Mobile (I'm not from the US), but even if it were a paying number for support, you can always walk into a t-mobile store and ask there to check your subscription.
[G1 General] TimSykes:
No with the G1 t mobile made a new service plan just for that phone, It give you nothing extra but text messages, and with the use of email, text is useless. But by using APN wap.voicestream.com you at least were able to by pass the new service plan. Up until last night.
[G1 General] skaflyer:
*sigh* why do people always have to reply to threads that they don't have any clue about?

To answer your question, yes my wap.voicestream.com just quit working this morning as well! I have tried everything to get it up and running again, but to no avail. I am located in central florida if that matters.

It looks like T-Mobile might be wising up to us using the $9.99 plan... which I refuse to pay anymore since I only get gprs data here!!!
[G1 General] TimSykes:
Yeah I even pay the $20 data plan. If I got 3g I could understand paying more. Well not understand, but I would except it. But to pay more for not getting more if crap.
[G1 General] Boeboe:
Why do people complain about services they don't pay for anyway, heh.

Sigh and moan all you want. If you want service, you'll have to pay for it :p. If it's still not fine, contact T-Mobile support. Nobody here is going to swing a magic wand around and give you free internet.
[G1 General] CBowley:
Your only partly paying for messaging, edge/3g/gprs, mostly what your paying for is server usage to sync with google servers. Don't like this feature? Don't buy the phone.
[G1 General] skaflyer:
I love these arguments... do you really think that $24.99 is a fair price for gprs which is less than 50kbps whereas 3g is pushing up to 1mbps? I would gladly pay $24.99 for 3g or possibly even edge, but definitely not for gprs! Not to mention the issue that when I purchased this phone they told me that I am in an edge capable area which is a lie. The T-Mobile kiosk in the mall has an edge signal that extends about 2-3 miles in each direction around it, but that's the only edge around which makes it even more dishonest.
[G1 General] TimSykes:
Yeah they lied to me, I was told my internet was grandfathered in at 19.99 and would never go up. So I am fighting this with t-mobile support now. I am not trying to get a freebie I just want the service that I am paying for, and for a little corporate responsibility. Plus I am not under contract so they can lose out on $5 a month or $130 a month. And I have already requested a unlock code.
[G1 General] ultimind:
Mine crapped out this morning. I got an email at 6:55am EST, and I went to check Wunderground at about 7:05, and it was dead. Changed all my APNs to see if that was the problem, and it was a no-go.

Interesting thing is... Yesterday, I was playing with my boss' developer phone that he just got, and I was able to browse the web for a good half hour using the epc.tmobile.com APN. (Using my SIM card, which has Blackberry data on it)
[G1 General] Mikey:
They didn't lie, T-Mobile has for about a yr now, announced that their T-zones plan will be abolished. When a plan gets scratched off a table, there goes your grandfathering in clause.

You did till the plan existed.

I dont think your thinking is the same as theirs.
[G1 General] JanetPanic:
As do I.

Whether I think it is a fair price for gprs is immaterial. If the T-Mobile network were predominately GPRS only there would be few people using T-Mobile's data services. As it stands there is almost nowhere in T-Mobile coverage area that is GPRS only. Generally the only time you would fall to GPRS is if you are on the edges of service and the signal is not strong enough for Edge. Edge is a software upgrade from GPRS so it is unlikely there are towers that are still GPRS only.

But all of this is immaterial. You were aware when you got the G1 that T-Mobile U.S. required a $24.99 data plan. You were not coerced into geting a G1. You chose to get a G1 with this knowledge and for a time bypassed the requirement by "tricking" T-Mobile. You were aware then and now that T-Mobile had a requirement for the $24.99 data plan and would do all within their power to get you on it. So you made your choice with foreknowledge of the cost. T-Mobile did not sneak this in the contract on you.

I find it extremely unlikely if you are in a populated area that the predominate signal is GPRS. Towers in a region are not mixed, if the mall tower has edge the tower you are using very likely has edge, just your signal is not strong enough. Talk to T-Mobile support and see if it may be a problem with your tower otherwise. I am visiting my family on a farm where there was no cell phone service till two years ago and I have EDGE here. For that matter I have been on-site to oil fields where the trucks were equipped with cell repeaters to have any signal at all and even there I had EDGE. So by Occam's razor it is more likely your specific location than something representative of T-Mobile service.

There is no discount for crappy cell coverage, the answer is to go with a carrier that covers where you are likely to be.
[G1 General] TimSykes:
I don't think you read all of my post. I pay $20 for unlimited internet, not t-zones. The plan is still up for winmo phones. In fact I was told on the phone the only difference between the 2 plans is a different APN name.
[G1 General] Mikey:
I was always under the impression that plan was called T-Zones.

From your apn wap.voicestream.com was called T-Zones, if you hacked it ;)
[G1 General] Mikey:
Besides did i miss somewhere, where you called T-Mobile and asked why your plan no longer works for the G1?
[G1 General] TimSykes:
the t-zone play is 9.99, the unlimited internet is 19.99 they just use the same access server for connection. And the first post on this page said I want talking with tmo support.
[G1 General] JanetPanic:
I was grandfathered as well and ended up dropping my grandfathered plan because I considered it not worth the fight. You I can see the argument for, t-zones users not so much.

EDIT: The wap.voicestream.com APNs were available to us but there was another set as well. Do not remember them off the top of my head. When I get home I will check and see if my Artemis stil has them configured.
[G1 General] Mikey:
Excuse me for my posts.

I think this pain killers im on are goofing me up.

I'm off to go for a walk, Stretchout my back.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
[G1 General] skaflyer:
Well, I have been dealing with this since January and I had a T-Mobile rep email me their internal maps that show a HUGE chunk of central florida as gprs only. So I asked about the edge coverage at the mall and I was told that they have the ability to setup a "fake" tower (I forgot the technical term for this) that can broadcast edge for a very short distance. They are doing this at the store to help sell phones, but there is absolutely NO edge in my area. They have sent engineers out to check the towers and the response back was that they do not plan on bringing edge to the area.

As far as me knowing ahead of time of the $24.99 data plan on the contract, of course I did. I was just lied to about the speed of the data.

My next course of action is to just get credits applied to my account each month for the data (I have already received one so far when using the $24.99 plan and they noted my account to do another one at half price).
[G1 General] JanetPanic:
Not to doubt your veracity but the public T-Mobile map does not even have a distinction between GPRS and EDGE. It is all one color on the coverage map. While I do not work for T-Mobile I do know technicians and I have never heard of an internal map other than the rollout maps which just distinguish 2G from 3G. Do you still have this internal document that a service representative (that I know for a fact are not authorized to send emails from their stations, except managers whose emails are monitored.) sent you?

So cancel your contract. (The fake tower was probably a femtocell by the way. Such a cell would have a range of 200ft, not 2 miles though.)

So cancel your contract.

A lot of work to save $15 a month. My time is worth more than that, but whatever makes you happy I guess.
[G1 General] MrMind10:
still works

stop complaining ppl, this still works. All you have to do is Select "Use only 2G networks" and you'll be ok.:D
[G1 General] TimSykes:
thats got my hopes up. That did not work
[G1 General] MrMind10:
it worked for me, using it right now thats how im replying on this website;)
[G1 General] skaflyer:
Oh ye of little faith... do you really think that T-Mobile would only have the maps that they show on their site? I have attached the map... it distinctly shows the difference. You just have to talk to the right people to get the right information. I'm sure there are plenty of customer service reps that might not have access to these maps, but the engineers do!

As far as cancelling my contract? I would gladly, but I refuse to pay $400 in cancellation fees...
[G1 General] skaflyer:
I just spoke with T-Mobile, they have been rolling out updates this month to cut off anyone accessing their network with a G1 without the data plan. They are saying that it will go as far as stopping phone calls until you add the plan. I haven't experience that yet and I don't believe them, but it does look like they have finally cut off any other plan than the G1 data plan.

Plus, I have been using it all along with that feature checked. Did yours quit working today and then you selected "Use only 2G networks" and it started working again? What data plan are you on?

I have just cancelled all data... $25/month for gprs? No thanks, I'll either sell my phone to cover my cancellation fee or just go dataless...
[G1 General] speoples20:
I work for T-mobile and we got a memo saying that anyone using the G1 with a none G1 data plan will no longer be able to use their phone.

And to all the people complaining about paying $24.99 in edge service all I have to say is you knew what you were getting into when you bought the phone. Plus people still pay $24.99 for edge on Blackberries. So your argument is pointless. T-mobile no longer offers $19.99 data on any device so at this point your only option is to pay for the service or get a razr.
[G1 General] Mikey:
that makes me ask a question now.

Since i have the unlimite plan for the G1. If the G1 takes a break for some reason.I can still use my dash for backup. Internet and all?
[G1 General] MrMind10:
2.99 tzones, it stopped working, then i just checked "use only 2g networks" and it worked
[G1 General] speoples20:
You should be able to because Winmo phones and Android phone use the same basic internet. Plus it doesn't need anything special like a Blackberry and Sidekick.

Oh and when I get to work today I'll make sure I will let T-mobile know about the "bug" when you check use 2G networks. ;)
[G1 General] MrMind10:
Good for you.:rolleyes:
[G1 General] JanetPanic:
I stand corrected on the map and apologize. That map is somewhat old however. Orlando is a 3G coverage area (starting Oct 2008) as is Tampa I believe. There is not even a listing for 3G coverage on that map.

As far as cancelling your contract you could argue that representation of coverage was falsely represented to you. Why $400 BTW? I do not doubt you this time but everything on the web points to a $200 early termination fee that goes down the closer to your contract end date.
[G1 General] neoobs:
There is already a thread about the wap.voicestream.com APN and how you can illegally obtain this discounted internet plan. I will only allow talk in that thread and thus this one must close.

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