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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] saopacic:
Well, I have replaced my recently of ebay second hand for 13.99 2.99 pp from	turnonyourmobile-webshop...Think the same guy is still selling them. Took me 5 mins only undoing 4 scrooves saving the WARRANTY scroove.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ChumleyEX:
What are these scroove things you speak of?

Groovy screws?

ya baby ya
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Tynkrrbell:
My apologies if this gets asked ad nauseum. I did a quick search and didn't see anything. My bad. :(
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] saopacic:
Hehe groovy screws.... :-) the 4 screws at the back of the display. Undo them only and remove the front plastic. The screen is accessible then. In total – 5 mins job.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bwnotredame06:
I bought a brand new one off of ebay for $38
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] NezX:
Hey everyone, I had a recent issue (not sure if it's still there) and was wondering if anyone could shed some light on what's going on. Anyway here's what happened:

I have had my Diamond for almost 2 months, I flashed a new ROM cause the one I was using (Franlov V3) was running a bit slow, I used DIBB v1.33, flashed, hard-reset and it was working ok but then it froze (or was really sluggish) so I reseted, and the phone took the reset as a hardreset, weird stuff, when it booted it was incredibly sluggish, so I turned it off, when I turned it on, bam, another hardreset. And well it pretty much entered a hardreset cycle.

I thought it was a problem with DIBB's ROM so I changed to another ROM and whenever I reseted ,the phone hardreseted. And this has been going on with multiple ROMs.

I searched and found a possible solution: leave the phone overnight without battery then reflash HardSPL, Radio and ROM, I did that yesterday...and had the same issue, till I flashed Dutty's 3.6, the only problem now is that drop-down lists, don't drop down. Any help (so it doesn't happen again) would be really appreciated.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] aemilius:
I have the same problem

¿Did you solve it?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] chancer63:
...I hope, he's found the solution --> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=490182&highlight=strange+problem+solved&page=3

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
hey, about a week ago i traded my fuze, and... holy crap i feel as if a blight has been lifted off of me. I cannot believe i have spent this long using this fuze thing. I mean it is alright, but the phone is so annoying to use (and yes i used to say it wasnt, but when you really use an easy to use phone, you realize how ****ing annoying the fuze is)

litteraly this treo is like a god send

Things i really like about it over the touch pro

1 way better battery life

2 HEADPHONE jACK, now i can actually bring my phone to a house, and play music there without having a retarded addapter

3 the speakerphone and sound (is like 10x) as good, you cannot even compare it

4 the screen is suprisingly good, and considering its almost the same size, i barrely even notice the res cuz... the touch pro has way to small of a screen for such a high resolution

5 THe buttons, ooo, they are just so nice. I can actually do stuff on my phone EASILY! like super easily

6 GPS works significantly better, no comparison

7 Call quality is better, and louder

8 video recording is better , but pictures are worse

9

...

what i like more about touch pro

1 it seems a bit stronger, incase i drop it

2 i guess the screen is better

3 its a little faster (but honestly the treo performs perfectly well)

4 accelerometer ( but really like... i think i can live without it considering all the other bunuses)

i was origionally debating to buy a Touch pro, or Treo, and went with the Touch pro due to all the better reviews and things.

man i wish i just went with the treo

it just puts a smile on my face, its just

so easy

pretty

fast

and and

awesome
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Rydah:
THIS IS SO DISCUSTING!!!:eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] icewhitenewyear:
I think i might have just vomited in my mouth slightly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] alvinjue:
let me go grab a paper bag for ya. this disgusts me as well. whoever you traded your fuze to must be a lucky guy and knew what he was getting himself into. mad kudos for that guy
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AkumaMax:
Thats funny I was just the opposite of you. I prefer the Fuze because of the endless customization. And the not so stupid ass screen size! Also after about 2 months of use the phone became very slow. To each his own I guess
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tregrad:
im sure you dont work for treo or anything like that eh?

if by chance your THAT stupid, do us all a favor and GET OUT OF THE GENE POOL!!!!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
lol

yes, for endless customization

and no, to all the other great things that the Touch pro doesnt just for its nice screen and a bit more custumization.

i prefer being able to come over my friends and play mp3s at his house anytime i want without adapters, and having very good battery life.

my treo pro plays mp3s for about 7-8 hours

before running out of batteries

and really, the touch pro is like a new device that is so new that is has failed in so many ways. The buttons, the headphone jack, the speakers, the battery life

i guess the only thing they didnt fail on is making it so crappy

that everyone had to custumize it to even make it useable.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jd885:
The Treo definantly has the TPro on the headphone jack... but the low earphone volume can be corrected... you did an even swap though... i mean as far as $$$ the touch pro is worth more?... glad your happy with the Palm though... ill definantly stay with my Touch pro its fully customized and i LOVE IT
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] The Jack of Clubs:
the palm might have the headphone jack but its not hard to find a small extusb to 3.5mm adapter. thats never my issue. everything else i think the touch pro does better. better keyboard, better screen, faster processor, more ram, better camera WITH FLASH, the accelerometer, fm radio. it also has better app support being a 4:3 rather than 1:1. htc also has a long standing relationship with windows mobile so it has great things to make it better like tf3d, the task manager that actually closes programs, a much better dialer (default dialer is an eyesore, palm!), and alot more. htc phones also have followings and development, like how the touch pro already has 6.5. the gps on the touch pro was a bit of a special ed student but with the new radio you get a lock in seconds and because of the better hardware it has faster polling so gps is better on the touch pro. i really hate that tiny spongey keyboard on palms. im sure you love your palm but i find it hard to believe that the palm would be better for me so you shouldnt tell me to convert.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
well the 3.5 mm adapter is a total pain in the ass, like... since when do i need adapters to just listen to music peacefully

Yes, all the hardware / custumization is great, but the treo already comes with a light rom.

Touch, needed cuztumization cuz it just sucked so much. I have no need for TFT3D on palm, because all the hardware buttons do the same thing.

I use WSktask, and it closes all programs that arent running.

I basically put allll of my Touch Pro apps on my treo, and the only one that doesnt work quite so well is GSPlayer mp3

Its just for the touch pro i have to read forums, download stuff, roms, radions, bla bla bla

the treo.. i dont have to download it. Its a finished product. If you buy it, yo can use it rightnow.

if you buy a touch pro, you cant use it till you reflash it, and do all that stuff to it. Its such a pain in the ass to keep up with it.

I must say the treo actually seems to load webpages even faster then the PRO

most of my friends have liked the TREO siginficantly more with the pro. No one was really impressed with my modded, and romed/ radioed cool Touch PRO

but everyone loves this phone.

The custom Treo dialer is pefectly normal. I dont even look at it. If i want to call someone i press the (keyboard) letters of their name and press call

i never open the cal app first.

TF3D is only needed when you have all touch and ****ty ass buttons. If you have good buttons, there is no need for it. I got a button for calendar, for messages, weather and schedules are on the desktop, interenet is a softkey

wirless has its own button

camera has its button

and its so nice to have 5 people use speakerphone from my one little phone, and hear everything pefectly.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] st3v3:
"Go back to Russia!" Barney from Season 3 Episode 3 the simpsons

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/3F03.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] icewhitenewyear:
For the record, when ANYONE looks at my phone, they always comment on how awesome it is and all the features it has.

Never have i ever heard somone that has any palm device go WOW that so FREAKIN AWESOME!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
i dono..

the touch pro looks cool when its unfolded

when in normal mode it looks like a rather basic phone with a pretty small screen for its cabaility. Its buttons suck too, both in response, and in button quality. Like the volume buttons feel so cheap and easy to press. This is not the same on the treo

the new treo looks rather impressive, i dont know how many of you have actually looked at it and used it.

but it really looks nice, and the screen is really nice and really bright. like... its pretty sweet

and i can navigate all my menues and options just using the dpad, calendar, msgs button.

and since i leave them open, they always appear instantly, and i dont need to do any TF3D sliding my finger around to do anything. i press 1 button and its done.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] uncled1023:
I agree ice. When everyone looks at my phone, they are all amazed, and when they start to use it, they are even more amazed. And you shouldnt get a phone just cause it "looks" pretty, you should get a phone that will perform well and can adapt. If you want a pretty phone, then get a treo, but if you want a good, customizable, reliable phone, then get the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mgthevisionary:
...and the God said,"let there be bozos..."

Without ignoramuses like this the world would be less colorful...more cheerful and peaceable, no doubt...but mos def not as interesting. This guy obviously is starved for attention, or just plain home-schooled.

But honestly, its a toss up as to who is more foolish...this guy for needing to be spoon-fed his gadgets OR US for even humoring him with a response?!?:confused:

*mg!*

ps...and oh yeah, can the camera on your little (be)Treo's do this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjeWehQrKjs
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] typelt2k:
to each its own but there is no way you can compare the two enjoy your Palm but theres no way im giving up my TPro im enjoying the tv out looking at movies converted with projection's video converter :cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] The Jack of Clubs:
touch pro is still better in every way. nothing you have said so far made the treo sound better. you may just be convincing yourself that it ok you bought a worse phone. ;)

also when it comes back to your adapter issue, extusb allows more than just audio out. try connecting your treo pro to a tv. and sharing youtube videos with your friends. or doing a powerpoint presentation at work.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jaszek:
well if you dont like customizing then why did you come to a website that has "developers" in its link and where people develop new software to make your phone better? You say the internet sucks on the TP. Did you use internet Explorer? Also I want to see you get a fix on a GPS signal within at most 2 seconds with your internet turned off.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] XERO_Racer:
hey for the first several people that posted on this thread dont flame the dude for trading his TP for a Treo, if its his decision then let it be, the raphael isnt for everyone, but to the thread starter "youre making a not soo smart decision" reasons would be

1.Treo has VERY limited customization compare to TP

2.it doesnt have light sensor and g-sensor

3.You can NOT even switch it off u have to take the battery out

4.treo feels like plastic unlike TP feels very solid all though minus the fact if u have the FUZE the back feels very slippery

5.Camera picture quality is very excellent with TP

6.the TP can be WAY faster than the treo with the proper ROM and setup

7. advantage with G-Sensor u can add aps like Touch InCall tweak which would make ur life easier by switching from in ear to speakerphone without pressing anything :D

8. u can still play music WITHOUT the adapter thats IF ure gonna be listening to internet streaming music(but if ure referring to listening with head phones yes i do agree the adapter can be a hassle but it doesnt bother me)

9. GPS locks almost instantly even indoors

10. FLASHING is the big + with TP customizations

but those are the reasons why id still keep my FUZE(TP)

like i said though enjoy your Treo, ure always welcome back to the forums for anything involving TP

P.S. i think youll be waiting for the TouchPro 2? :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] The Jack of Clubs:
the touch pro is the epitome of windows mobile. forever customization and development. always a project to make it better. if you dont want that then i dont think you want windows mobile. the iphone or palm pre would be the solution. not the palm treo pro. go for something already customized for you in a way someone else things is better and have it developed on their time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AkumaMax:
Well truth be told no matter what you say I'm pretty sure that 99% of us will stick with the Raphael. BTW my Fuze worked just fine right out of the box. Besides the stupid bloatware, Calls can be made easily, Sound was good, Loudspeaker was fantastic, Using the menus were a breeze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
well even with tv out

the TP prob wont last through anymore then 1 movie, if even that

ya the custumizability is great

and i dont know where you guys get the whole... people find FUZE easy to use, if i hand the phone to someone, within 1 min they hand it back asking uhh i screwed something up or i cant get back.

all the custumization is largely due to is being so crappy origionally. If a product is released good, it doesnt need to be custumized all that much. My TP was custumized to ****, and i loved it.

the the soft keys , no headphone jack and terrible battery life just got me

(video note)

i am not sure if treo can do this vodeo, the video onmy treo runs good, its less laggy when you turn then it was on the TP

my TP also after about 1 hour of MP3's its at 65-75% battery.

my treo pro plays mp3s now tested for almost 8 hours.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lacrossev:
From what I am reading it seems like the TP is too much phone for the OP and he prefers something more simple and easy to use. I know a few ppl that would rather use something like the Treo but when they see all the things that a Touch Pro can do in the right hands, they're impressed.

Some people buy automatic accords because it gets the job done easy, while i prefer my 6 speed STi because thats what i like.

Thanks for the recommendation but i'll stick with my sports car of a phone :D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] antjmon:
Exactly...when it came time for me to upgrade my Tilt, I went ahead and upgraded my wife's pearl at the same time. For my phone it was a no brainer, HTC devices are swwwweeeeeet thanks to xda-developers (without this site, I wouldve gotten something else on doubt)....however, my wife wanted nothing to do the Fuze...she wanted a cute & girly Palm device. I didnt mind because I'm already up to my ears with having to re-explain how to resize photos and and export them onto her flash drive. I couldnt imagine having something else to explain. To make a long story short, she maintains that her Palm phone is her favorite phone she's ever had, but is continuously commenting on how bad-a my phone is...(shes got a Centro btw)

- when were out of town its MY phone that pulls updated turn by turn directions

- when our 3.5 year old wants to play a simple cool and kid friendly game...teeter cant be found on the palm

- need to send a large file at starbucks? MY phone on wifi

- need a panoramic picture of X event...yup..the fuze delivers

She loves her phone because it cute -n- simple...she still would pick it for herself over my fuze, but the bottom line is that when she needs mobile solutions for whatever...SHE STILL COMES TO BIG DADDY!!!!!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] XERO_Racer:
do you think she'll change ur mind if u ever get ur hands on the TouchPro 2? lol it has that purple background :D lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
ya, i know what you are saying

i am an advanced user, but i find that when it comes down to it, i dont use MOST of the super cool features available.

or i do, and use them like once every 3 months

This is all i really need from a phone

mp3 player

calendar

tasks/schedules

gps

interenet

aim/skype/msn (btw Slick is an excellent free aim alternative with support for icq, man and other progs)

calculator

and thats about it.

the TF3D callendar is terrible for productivity. I just use today agenda, and it shows me the next 3 days of schedule, and i HEAVILY use the schedule on my phone.

that is prob the single most important useage.

and when driving to be able to press (calendar) button at any second and tell people on my phone if i have free time for an appointment is crucial

//////

- need to send a large file at starbucks? MY phone on wifi

- need a panoramic picture of X event...yup..the fuze delivers

/////////

both of these features the treo does just as well, and infact there is even a wifi button to make it easier
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Sweeny Russ:
You are not an advanced user

No advanced user would go for a treo (just legal secrataries). You know what else is easier to use, an iphone.

Anyway I saw this post and had to ad my 2 cents. 2 years ago when I got my titan and brought it home and showed it off to my fiance, she said "No fair, I want one." I tried to talk her out of it because it was not yet her time for contract renewal and she had a krazr that did that had pic/video capabilities, mms, and a very light web browser as well as an organizer. Well she had to have it, so I bought it outright new for her birthday. She has yet to take a video, open the calender app, send an email, use igo8 that I installed for her. Lets not even mention wifi I don't know that she knows it has it. A week ago she had me try to explain tethering to her so she could have internet on a friends house (thank god for wmwifirouter).

The point is unless you are technically inclined go for the less complicated phones. There are so many capabilities with the new touch series phones that memorization will never happen. All you need is a little bit of technical reasoning skills to be able to successfully use these devices. If you put this device into someone's hands in within 10 seconds they can't figure out how to bring up the dial pad its the wrong phone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cenkaetaya:
well thats a good 2 cents

a whole lot better, and read worthy compared to the first few posts.

especially the ones by the senior members, that sound like they are 8 year old kids, and cant even make a statement except saying (stupid) or something close to that.

maybe they should be downgraded to senior citizen members, vs senior member.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ou2mame:
if anything, i would consider getting the palm pre over my sprint touch pro, but thats only because its *new*. the palm pro really doesn't do it for me. i had the option and was like yeah no. i text a lot, and i use the phonepad t9 entry on the touch screen a lot more than i ever open the phone. i mainly just use the phone for excel docs and formatted emails.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] orkitect:
guys..... cenkaetaya is just giving his opinion of how he feels. Upgrading from tilt to FUZE i hated it in the first day, but then once i got used to the settings and flashing with different ROMS, my opinion is completely opposite now. I absolutely love the fuze. from the posts from cenkaetaya i see that he just needs a multimedia kind of device with a scheduler.

I just want to tell cenkaetaya only one thing, people are not tweaking the phones because they are not having what they need, people want more than they need :D thats the reason i love my FUZE..... i can tweak to the maximum and enjoy things :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Nghiem:
Hi cenkaetaya,

Are you experienced the GPS lag with Treo PRO?

I'm using the at&t FUZEand 680. Some of my past devices: HTC Wallaby (Siemens SX56), Blue Angel (Siemens SX66), Hermes (Cingular 8125), Wizard (Cingular 8525), Kaiser (at&t Tilt) and Treo 270, 600, 650, 680.

For many of you mentioned about WOW factors:

YES. Touch Pro definately has a big advantage vs. treo pro because of this GREAT FORUM. If you want to show off how your phone looks great with all bells and whistles, Raphael (aka Touch PRO) is the one. I'm pretty sure that many of you do not touch the treo PRO, yet. If yes, tell me how you got a test-drive on treo pro, pls. And I guess you guys have not played with treo keyboard and have no time find out how great is the no slide out keyboard, either.

The reasons why I'm useing FUZE is:

1. Palm closed their brick & mortar stores in '07, hence, I don't to buy a thing without touching it.

2. At&t did not sell treo PRO with their susbsidy contract price. $550 vs $250 is worth, isn't it? Furthermore, get a warranty replacement via at&t is much better than palm e.g free shipping, and fast services.

Some of you mentioned about FM radio, flash, and camera pictures quality: does Diamond1, diamond2, Touch Pro2 (not to name Kaiser, Hermes, and Wizard...) have all those fancy features?? ;) More questions, though:

a. Have you ever compare two pictures taken with Touch PRO and the cheapest P & S camera which you can easy obtain it with less than 50 bucks?!

b. How the video play back quality on listed devices e.g Kaiser?!

Just my 2 cents.

WOOOOW! Could you mind show, guide, or teach me how to get a fix for GPS lag and get sat. signals lock within "2 seconds" and "indoor" with a cold start. I've tested NATF v4.5 (based on leaked at&t test ROM) and REE v5.8 (based on Topaz) with "the new radio" 1.12.25.19 and rilphone.dll; but GPS lag is still there (~120 ft behind) and sat. lock for more than 2 minutes.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Tregrad:
since everyone is entertaining this person instead of just letting this thread die like we should. Here are my 2 pennies.

1. why are you posting in this forum instead of a treo forum?

2. leave the big dogs alone with your kibble comments, we like Steak bones, meaty roms and technology that can be modded. You dont so....kick rocks sukka.

Yup.....the TP is WAAAAYYYYY too much phone then. sorry that was 3 pennies
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jaszek:
All I did was flash EnergyROM 2.0 series and the same radio. I kind of overexaderated. I get a fix in about 30 seconds. I noticed it three days ago when I was going somwhere on my bike, I knew the way but wanted to see if I get a GPS lock on. I had my headphones on and out of nowhere I hear "turn left". I was like WOW it works lol. I get a lag but its not noticable for me, maybe because I'm riding my bike at about 7 mph lol. Next time im in a car I'll test out the lag. Also I remember some people saying there is a huge lag when walking. It works perfect for me.

EDIT. I did it outside. Never tried it indoors but the fix wont be as fast, if any, due to the walls blocking the GPS signal waves.