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[General Topics] efjay:
Windows Mobile 7 is not even beta yet so how can you be making comparisons with that OS? And while apple has added features to bring it on par with modern smartphones I personally am too used to the freedom of using a device of my own choosing with whatever carrier I choose and not being tied to using apple software and hardware products.
[General Topics] kaiserII101:
Here is what I have to say about the iPhone. The iPhone............:rolleyes:
[General Topics] jadephyre:
iPhone = Flashy Fashiontoy laden with DRM Crap no one here wants. Period.
[General Topics] Sean D.:
Yup!

Quoted for the Mo-Fo'm truth!
[General Topics] jmon777:
How about the g1? It listens to its users the users and devs nake this phone better everydaay. I have had my for just over a week and don't know how I livd without it. I love how it works It can do all the iphone can and more. My main thing is it needs flash player other than that. also anyone seen or have any ideas on the new plam?
[General Topics] jadephyre:
I personally wouldn't touch the G1 even if my life depended on it... Someone has to remove all the frickin' Google Crap from the OS (mandatory googlemail acc, anyone ?) before I'd be willing to shell out a few hundred bucks for one of these.

I'm not willing to let Google put a leash up my ass...
[General Topics] jmon777:
To the above guy. Besides making a mail account that's ur only leash. That beats being to to steve and bill in my opion. U can change the browser and well just about every u can get a lot of apps on line. U don't have to use the market that came on the phone everything is open.
[General Topics] jadephyre:
the G1 I tested required a Googlemail Account.

Granted, I already have one and only Spam gets redirected there, but I don't want Google to know who i have as Contacts on my Sim and my Appointments no one has to read either.

Google on G1 = No Phone for me
[General Topics] jmon777:
Well whre are getting that they do that? And if they do why dosent everyone else? I figuer all cell phone data is almost public anyways
[General Topics] mavrik64:
just wanted to add my 2 pence worth.

I've only had 2 WM devices so far, the XDA Exec and now the Touch Dual.

As much as I've enjoyed playing with these, I'm starting to really like the look of the iPhone. Everyone I speak to that has one say they love it because it does what is says on the lid. It works.

I'm fed up with having to reset my phone when it crashes on an incoming call, or re-syncing it to my BT car Hands free set...............

I've had to work hard and rely on the good devs here (thanks folks)to be able to get to a point where my phone is just about stable.

The iPhone is starting to look like a possability when my contract is up in six months
[General Topics] mrmomoman:
WM 6.5 will make it better as well as ROM Cookers. I have the Iphone 3G - in the box. Yes its flashy and its more fluid I like the control I have over my Touch HD. I like being able to flash it and try it out. I like the fact that I can change the BATTERY out on it. I like the ability to sync with Outlook, I like the fact that there are many many apps for the WM 6.1 and 6.5(when it becomes available).

And I like my screen resolution and Garmin XT NAV :)

Oh yeah.. Did I mention that I hate ITUNES and DRM?
[General Topics] mr_black03:
you do realize that you can turn off syncing, which means that you wont send any data to the google acct. so none of your contacts/appointments will leave your phone, and gmail wont sync. if you root your G1 you dont even have to use a google acct.
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
This is an article from BRIGHTHAND:

Cut, Copy, and Paste

Confirming the earlier rumors, iPhone 3.0 will -- finally -- allow iPhone users to cut-and-paste and copy-and-paste. Naturally, the process for selecting text will take advantage of this device's multi-touch screen. This feature will be available in Apple's own software and third-party apps.

And it extends to more than just text. Users will be able to copy images and paste them into an email.

MMS, A2DP, Etc.

iPhone 3.0 will also mark the arrival of other features long available in the iPhone's competitors, including MMS messaging, Stereo Bluetooth, device search, and voice memos.

In addition, landscape support is being added to more of the bundled applications.

Apple is also going to release a new SDK (software developer kit) for handling streaming audio and video, including HDTV streaming.

Still No Multitasking

Apple had some good news and bad news for users. The bad news is that it's still not allowing multitasking because running third-party applications in the background is more than the device can handle. Scott Forstall, Apple SVP iPhone Software, who handled much of today's presentation, said that an IM application running in the background reduced the iPhone's standby battery time by 80%.

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I don't think the iPhone is able to beat anybody yet, as you can see, the above upgrade or fix to the coming iPhone 3 are qualities that should have been there since it's first release. They are still playing catch-up to Windows Mobile.

The only thing I like about the iPhone is the speed. Other than that, nothing else. :) With more powerful processor coming out, this will definitely be a brighter future for WM.

Sorry to see you are having trouble, but for me, my setup is very stable. No crashes nor freezes, so I am happy with Windows Mobile. BT works flawlessly too. I believe stability is related to what applications you have installed. I have about 350 applications and games installed, you just need to try them one by one and see which one causes the problem. This is the proceedure I do each time I upgrade my device. By the way, I have an HTC Advantage X7510. I just use my HTC Universal as the test subject nowadays.
[General Topics] nuke1:
I'd like to thank those brave enough to say that the iPhone does in fact pose a huge problem to WM, and those brave enough to say that they're willing to move away. Another thing I'd like to say is that being tied to a carrier/network that you don't like is not actually an argument against the iPhone, rather the circumstances surrounding it. Let's keep this thread based around an SIM-unlocked iPhone for a change. Also, let's just look at the OS, and not the extras HTC/Samsung/SE has overlayed on top.

Now, let's face it, WM is losing appeal- fast. WM is dynamic and flexible- almost like an open-source OS, but the UI is outdated and still bears an uncanny resemblance to it's oldest predecessor almost 10 whole years ago. Also, it can get laggy, and crashes even on stock ROMs, so there's another bunch of disadvantages.

Not much left. Let's hope WM7 saves MS.
[General Topics] codybear:
I agree 100% with cktlcmd.

Thanks for putting it exactly how I would,

so I don't have to think. :D
[General Topics] gsessons:
This is what I'm feeling so far.......... (my two cents)

I love my wimo (6700, 8525, tilt and now touch Pro) and at first I use to tell people that only way that iPhone is making a killing is because how they advertised the phone.

People with iPhones use to be like your phone looks and feels like a brick. I will tell them how the wimo can do all types of things, so they started coming back to me and showing how once they jail break the phone they can do about all most the same thing. I would laugh and say well you still can't get mms, teathering, or cut/paste......3.0 is coming out for the iPhone, now I feel like hiding from the ones I laughed at.

If Microsoft is reading......please help us out, because the reason I love the phones is because they can do wonders but now I'm starting to feel like an old school guy with and old phone not willing to give up.............We (I hope I can speak for all the wimo people) spend at alot of time and money on these phone and just want a little something back, beside a new phone......think about the inside the phone and help us out so we can stay and be the top dogs again.
[General Topics] meddleuk:
I currently own the Omnia and I am very happy with it but my contract ends the end of March. I was looking for a new phone but nothing seemed like a decent upgrade from what I have including the Iphone. I think I am guilty of ignoring the flaws in WM and just putting up with them or maybe just too used to them.

Someone in work passed me their Iphone a few days ago and to be honest other than playing with them in the Apple Store for 15 mins and seeing the TV ad's this was my first real taste of using the device. It just blew me away, not the interface with is of course amazing, but the apps. I regularily see people on here bashing the apps (Icrap ect... apps for Idiots) but the ones I used were bloody fantastic, leagues ahead of anything I have ever bought for Windows Mobile. Then he told me most of them were free or cost 59p. I decieded to investigate and look up some of the apps on Youtube as there are plenty of good reviewers. It's amazing that the Appstore is only a year old yet already has over 25,000 apps. Granted some of them are awful or just silly novelties. But because the programming is open source to programmers there are some ingenious apps out there. And the games, some of look and play better than the DS. It seems to be on a whole new level.

It's a big step for me to leave WM but I think Iphone has a very rosy future. If the quality of third party software is this good within a year I think the next couple of years are going to show some really powerhouse stuff. I know I'll be missing some WM features and endless tweaking of my phone, but in all honesty the thought of what is on the appstore already is far more exciting than the next Rom upgrade.
[General Topics] mavrik64:
Overall i've enjoyed the WM experiance, but I'm getting to the point where I just want my PDA Phone to work. I find I'm having fond memories of my SE P900.

My Universal (still going strong) was a great device. Everything I could want in one package, just a bit too big :(

My Touch Dual is the next best thing, small and powerfull, no keyboard, but hey.

The universal, even with the stock WM5 used to let me down when I needed it most. Just when I realy need to make a call, it wouldn't work. I used to have to reset it (some times Hard Reset) whilst in the car before I could make a call. Later with WM6 and

6.1 it was better, but would still do the same. It's a phone - why can't i use it for that when i needed it?

The MDA Touch Dual is much more reliable (running HTC rom). It tends to work when ever I need it, but it still lets me down from time to time. Resetting it when in the car is tricky!!!

Out of the two, the Dual is better because it's more reliable. My contract isn't up for another six months so I've plenty of time to decide on the next device. I won't bet against he iPhone though.
[General Topics] ShavedCivic187:
Who needs 2 wait 4 microsoft to change anything when u have great sites likes this?

Went from a Hermes 2 IPhone 2 Touch Pro. And will never go back 2 an Iphone. Too much stuff u have 2 do jus 2 get around Apple software, cant even use ur own headphones
[General Topics] jadephyre:
let alone Multitasking... why is an Operating System that is based on FreeBSD (which can handle Multitasking just like every other OS out there) cut down to just ONE app at any given time ?

The iPhone was a real alternative when I first saw the Ads and read the few Infos that were there... but as more and more Info turned up, the deal went sour: Bound to one Service Provider which in my country is T-Mobile (who are frickin' expensive), no multitasking, no mms, no copypaste, word completion that is complete crap, no unsigned applications (meaning you have to break the Software to do anything useful with it) and so on.

Earlier in the Days of Mobile Communications, I was happily sharing videos, music & pictures through bluetooth with my buddies.

This has all gone away completely as I can't connect my Phone with their iPhones (and they can't connect to each other either).

Sorry Apple, you lost a Customer due to the insane restrictions you put onto this Phone.

Nobody tells me what I'm allowed to do with my phone.

Anyone who endorses Digital Restrictions Management, sometimes ill-translated from DRM as "Digital RIGHTS Management", should go to hell.
[General Topics] Krayzie7th:
delete this post.
[General Topics] Krayzie7th:
I like WM but like it has been stated people above me,its losing appeal pretty fast.It will be a matter of time till the iphone catches up and passes it. The thing that bugs me is why cant WM phones get a good touch screen like the iphones? is it so impossible to duplicate?and also start using faster processors.And am sure we wouldnt mind having a nice sleek WM OS.
[General Topics] ZED_pt:
Just remember that while Apple was losing time developing things we WM users already took for granted MS is working on 2 new OS...wm6.5 will mostly be just visually enhanced but wm7.0 will be a completly new OS and dont be alarmed by the MS looking for people to work in wm7.0 development,they are not desperate they just want more development teams to make more goodies for us as fast as they can,in my point of view it´s actually good news.

Remember that it took 1 year(i think the first iphone was released in july 2007 correct me if im wrong) for iphone to have 3G and 2 years for it to have what i had im my 3 years old PDA(Qtek s200).

But this are just some facts that might have influence in what the future will be...im not a iphone hater,i like the device it just doesnt suit my needs and life style but if that changes i wont have any regrets in trading my WM device...but i trully dont think that will happen in the near future since MS has a partnership with Nvidia Tegra in development and my next device will probably be with Tegra APX chipset.
[General Topics] pic1:
IPhone 3G v3.0

The best that money can BUY! Worth every penny! Look here http://www.squidoo.com/buyiPhone_iPhoneapps
[General Topics] tsowen:
x2 I think you hit the nail on the head cktlcmd, well put indeed!
[General Topics] alex.gribbin:
Funnily enough I had a mssive argumwnt with two of my friends have an iPhone and iPod Touch. We did agree that the Touch is probably the best MP3 Player on the market but we still disagreed on Windows Mobile v iPhone. I still believe that Windows has the upper hand in the market as Apple haven't changed much on the 3G honestly, have they? The functionality on any Windows Mobile with similar spec as the iPhone surpasses it.

I wouldn't have problem with getting an iPhone as a gift but if I had to spend my own money I'd buy a Touch HD, just as it trumps iPhone in every department.
[General Topics] arsmithsr:
My take on this whole thing.

Ms definitely has problems lazy programmers at ms problems with them fixings known problems.

On the plus side you guys and other I can find answers to these problems programmers can fix them.

Apple had alot of problems when they came out. Couldn't get them activated tied to one carrier here in us ATT slow, and apple is complete control freak on what you can do with your own phone. They say jail breaking is illegal. They control everything and I don't thik I should have to get an itunes account to get a phone. Not real wild about being told I need google account for an android phone. Of course I don't like having to use outlook to synch my calender and stuff with my computer. I use dashwire by the way.

They all have pros and cons. What we need is linux for phone totally open no restrictions. until then we have to play someones games. MS seems to have most options as far as getting around the BS. look at this site for instance!
[General Topics] crachel:
Both phones obviously have pros/cons that are debated endlessly on the various tech sites, however I saw something recently that caught my attention:

Shelf Life of iPhone app is less than 30 days

The contributions iphone has made to user interface has been outstanding, I'm not too sure the rest of it isn't novelty. There has been several occasions where people I know have shown me these great apps and I think "wow, that would be nice", then I realize that iPhone's "Tip Calculator" they showed me is just WM's calculator with a slightly better gimmick.
[General Topics] agentjonnyb:
My personal opinion of the Iphone based upon facts and personal usage can be described in 3 words: Cool But Limited.

Even with it's new OS due for release soon, the device is terribly limited in capability and Apple's strange behaviors in disallowing major add-ons such as flash to be made for their mobile browser.

As for hardware and performance capability, put any WM device with 128mb or more of RAM and with a GPU (Diamond and TP have one, though I do not know what others have--Omnia??) on a custom ROM like mightyROM, and performance will be outstanding and trump the iphone (mightyROM 4.14 gave my TP a nearly 600% increase in speed!).

But that is not all, Apple is soon to contend with WM devices running on Nvidia's Tegra chips, which offer multiple times the performance capabilities of the current iphones, and more than likely more powerful than Apple's next one, as no one can keep up with Nvidia's exponential progress. Apple's next iphone or 2 will probably take major blows from tegra-based devices, and then they will probably end up buying these chips from nvidia. Developers and analysts have already declared that only when devices bearing these chips are released, will the 2nd generation of smartphones begin (clearly, even the iphone does not qualify as generation 2, it's just the first fancy, flashy smartphone, and thank God it was made, cus if it wasn't there wouldn't be all the really awesome new devices there are now, we'd still be stuck with same-old-same-old)!

These tegra-based devices will have you asking yourself "Iphone? Wait, what's that again? Oh, nevermind, that's a thing of the past."

See for yourself what the true winner phones will be (enjoy!):

nvidia at MWC 2009: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTEaWfTO-zE&feature=channel_page

Gaming on Tegra WM device: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UQVHJ3UFaA&feature=channel_page

nvidia youtube account with more: http://www.youtube.com/user/TegraByNVIDIA
[General Topics] Martin25:
dude remember apple oly has like 3 products.. ipod, iphone, mac comps

so yes they can concentrate efforts on one device.

p.s id never move to iphone i mean ok it ok lookin and a screen with multi-touch but common what 2g phone dose not have mms ?.. oh yes that would be the iphone ! and to be honest im annoyed ppc/pda's do not have 16gb micro sd glue'd inside to have some decent memory compaired to ipods..

what annoys me more is everyone makes all these web-apps n ipa's (ipod apps) yet i see more ppl waliking round town with a n95 yet no-one is making the wgz (web gadgets) for them what the hell ! i know i have a n95 !

id rather have a phone that looks sexy like my elf and dose what a mobile is ment to do this day n age than having to update it every week and finding a million bugs all the time... WHOS WITH ME !!
[General Topics] TheChampJT:
Forget about it!

After the Storm gets another OS update & the App World, the iPhone doesn't have a chance lol!
[General Topics] l3it3r:
I'm sorry, but I can't stand that damn thing anymore.. The iPhone was cool. I almost bought one. But when I sat my HERMES next to it and the only features it had that my phone didn't was the dual touch and tilt sensor I wasn't impressed. The 3G got a GPS, so I got my Kaiser.. still down by dual touch and tilt. Now I have the Touch Pro, and I'll be getting the TP2 (or that Super Star thing if it's real) ... I can't see myself EVER wanting an iphone.
[General Topics] Joezhang:
It's different to different people - if you are posting here, you aren't normal - normal people don't flash roms, normal people don't play with the registry etc etc etc.

For people like us, the ability to tinker and add all sorts of productivity apps is great, but most people simply aren't interested, they want nice eye-candy some games and other apps like that.

The iphone simply is a better phone for the vast majority of people, the WM interface is horrible from a HCI point of view, just terrible - but we are all use to it.

WM is always going to behind in those terms because apple control the lot, the hardware, the software, the information ecology (so the itunes and apps store) - where as windows can be put on all sorts of form factors - which is both it's strength and it's weakness - and if a company puts an unpowered chip in a WM device, most normal people don't say "hum, I guess there were hardware compromises with this device and I can see that from the specification that device X has a better processor", they simply go "man windows mobile sucks! so slow!"

Having said that, my usage has pretty much gone down to phone calls and email - I simply don't need the flexibility that a windows mobile device provides and as soon as 3rd generation iphone is out, I'm likely to make the jump.

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[General Topics] addicus:
How can I say this - the Iphone is an IPod that makes calls and gets emails and their OS updates are just now allowing the phone to do what my out of production Hermes can do. For people who think their Razors, Envy's etc... are the greatest phones in the world the IPhone is the dopest thing ever created because they can use their Ipods to call now. Not only does it give more to these users, but unlike WinMo, it's unintimidating. The IPhone is simple and just like music, that is what the masses want.

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I, like many here, hate simple. I love to learn and truth is WinMo has taught me so much. I've even taken many of these lessons to my PC. I actually have people calling me to fix their computers and all this because I had the balls to follow in the footsteps of the great developers here.

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Now this is all possible because how open WinMo is. No DRM, etc... Not that this will matter because the masses will flock to the simple.

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If MS really couples up with Nvidia to use the Tegra chips the IPhone is in for the rudest awakening. That damn chip really allows for the phone to become a true pocket pc and media center. HDTV, high speed internet, flash, music, MULTIPLE open task with no issues and extremely long batter life.
[General Topics] codybear:
I use to work for apple at the customer service department,

and honestly,

I wouldn't get anything from them but a ipod touch,

and mayyyyybbeeeee a imac,

but I'm honestly going to build a PC with ten times the amount of power

of the base mac for under $1,000.00

and then run linux on it instead.

The only reason I'd get a mac is to not have to deal with that many viruses/spyware/adware crap.

But I'm not even going to deal with them anymore,

and just run linux. :D

Therefore WM will always be ahead of apple,

and I'd even say the Blackberry Storm once they update it will be better than the iphone.

I still wouldn't get a Blackberry though.

I personally hate windows, the desktop version,

which is why I'm going to run linux

and in my personal opinnion windows mobile is the only thing microsoft is doing right ( after I fix certain registries. ;) )

But those registry fixes aren't even necessary....

The Iphone had a pretty User Interface when it came out,

years ago,

but honestly,

if they don't constantly change the way the phone itself looks,

and change up the user interface it's going to be nothing more than a fancy ipod.

Plus Tmobile and ATT sucks,

atleast when I had them when the iphone came out(didn't own the iphone).

But I'm still like half asleep right now,

and can't think all that well,

so my thoughts are prolly all scattered brained. :D
[General Topics] BungleMX:
Iphone doesn't even has a real GPS does it?
[General Topics] Soaa-:
My take on this: the iPhone and its OS are like a realistic painting, and Windows Mobile is like an abstract piece of art.

Just like a realistic painting, the iPhone OS is easy to grasp and understand by newcomers, but offers very little substance and depth.

Windows Mobile is visually an ugly platform, but dig deeper, and one can see how flexible it is, and how much one can do with it.