yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD General] noris08:
thank you xmsnx for tip, but i can't install it

i uninstalled ex keyboard, i deleted a lot of things, no matter what i did, each time i've got the same message:

"Installation was unsuccessful. The program or settings cannot be installed because it does not have sufficient system permissions."

what is that and how can i overcome it?:confused:

btw, i managed to uninstall smaberg album with sktools, so point 2 - checked:)
[Touch HD General] xmsnx:
Install a process/task manager, and kill the SIPGT_app.exe process and try again. Worked for me once before when I had a prob with the keyboard. Hope it helps.
[Touch HD General] noris08:
it worked!

now i am not so pleased because keyboard, being a cab, takes space from my memory

but i will learn to live with that untill the next hard reset that our too delicate piece of .... (art, watch out what your thinking:p) it seems to need from time to time

thank you again! you are the man!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
There has been some discussion and rumor about a ghost thread and someone keeping a rom from the public, I've looked into the situation and by this message would like to respond publicly about it. I hope this will clear up any rumors going around and will return this forum to what it should be, a place to discuss and develop.

The "ghost thread":

The thread with subject "How to cook in a OEM Application (package) with uninstall functions?" has been closed by the moderator Duttythroy by request of the original poster. This can be seen in google cache as well as on this screenshot from our pda archive. It has been permanently removed from the forum and can not be restored. This happens often when a thread is closed and doesn't seem to be of much importance to prevent clutter in the forum.
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To prevent discussions like these in the future I've removed the ability to permanently remove threads from now on.

I have no reason to believe this thread was removed on purpose with malicious intent.

Accusations of keeping a rom from the public:

There have been accusations that a certain member is keeping a source rom from the public by paying people not to distribute it. The person who allegedly got paid to not share this rom does not wish to tell me who did this nor wishes to provide proof for this. As the system shows this user has removed all messages in his PM box there is no way for me to gain access to this information if it ever was in his PM box to begin with. I thus have no reason to believe that a rom is being kept from the public with malicious intent.

About the sharing principle in general:

A lot of rom chefs have complained that keeping a rom from other chefs no matter what the reason is a breach of the sharing principle of this forum and should be punished.

Though we believe that by sharing the community will benefit most it is not a rule, I can not nor do I wish to force people to share. Sometimes there are simply more important issues with a rom that might cause someone not to want to share, think of sources that need protecting or legal issues. I don't think our sharing principle should be enforced with the risk of sources losing their jobs or people getting sued because they shared, this most certainly won't be good for the future of xda-developers.

Best regards,

Flar

p.s. I will leave this thread open for discussion for a while, but do request that you do not post personal attacks here and try to keep the discussion civil.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
I respect your choice. Good work to all the chefs, mods and admin.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] robertus3d:
I respect your choice!

Good work to everybody!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] xmoo:
You do what you have to do.

Respect!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Thanks Flar for clearing things up.

I can only hope this has now been resolved and harmony returns to xda developers.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] gigaboss:
I think Flar is right, but for another reason that she didn't mention, I believe that sharing is good for the community, but sharing means to be willing to share. If you force someone to share something, it's more like stealing.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ClownShoes:
Can we all be friends again now?

Group hug?? :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aeacus:
The real question now is this:

Is everything going to return to normal in the forum now?

Or did we lost some chefs/mods?

I guess time will tell...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] VizagDude:
Since there isn't much that can be done and the Admin did whatever he could and posted the investigation results publicly, we should respect his decision and accept the facts on the face value and not on assumptions. I hope things will getback to normal and the chefs would reopen their ROMs for the public, who love and adore their work.

XDA is a wonderful place for HTC device owners due to the extremely talanted developers and chefs, who are anytime better than the ones wotking at Microsoft and HTC.

So I humbly request all the chefs to re-open their ROMs to the loving and dedicated fans and get back the XDA spirit.

Thank you.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bouya_k:
Hello

Thanks for the clear answer and hope that's poeple are going down a bit..

Still unclear if the cookers can share the new rom or not... as the Admin didn't find any proof

Anyway hope that it was just a little storm

Long life to XDA
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Railgun76:
Exactly.

Personally If I give my word to someone promising not to do something, I will do that, and I expect that also others respect this, and behave coherently with my position.

Clearly as steted in the first post above, when such an extent is reached (like people getting sued or fired) this becomes exponentially more important.

I would like to say that I just joined this community before the thing blew, and as far as I am concerned it seems that things are cooling down, so thanks to the Admins and Moderators for your efforts. (We are civil people, or at least we should behave like it)

Also a thank to all the Chef's, because you can do what I cannot, I appreciate your work, please do not get discouraged and keep it up with the excellent service you provide to the masses here on XDA.

Ciao from Italy.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
I am glad there has been progress on the matter.

What happened was sooooooooooo unnecessary and i still believe could have been dealt with better.

I have posted a PM to Flar about how i feel.

XDA is more important than individuals, this must not happen again.

Phew, feel better now
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hellonasty:
Good speech, but I think everything is the same!

The world is made of corruption, and where it is you can not do anything!

Chef small is nothing, but Big Chef power can not be discussed.

Solution: Leave XDA or lives to it so.

I continue make my roms with love.. Not with money!!!

MaryOne is here to make people happy!!!

Life is beautiful!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lucarp78:
Can we have an official answer from dutty about accusations?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
It's up to dutty to decide if he wants to discuss this but i think he should do that when he's ready. I've spoken to him yesterday and he's currently very busy with his personal life so it might take some time.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jouh:
I think he already made his official answer towards rhis matter.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Matterhorn:
Hopefully we can all resume normal communication now. The rules have been changed so that it won't be possible for mods to permanently erase threads which offers some official traceability if issues arise.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hellonasty:
In all closed threads Dutty have many "lawyers", I think not need. He will surely respond.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lucarp78:
Let him answer and not his lawyers.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KChauJen:
At least... with your hand to put in... and with your comment and your decision, this makes sense and let all of users to understand this matter.

Now.. i'm really happy and wish all of your cookers to return to our famous website.

Thanks,

KCJ
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
QUOTE.

You got all my respect and friendship Hellonasty
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aefelix:
thanks, for your work and your message...but this sounds to me a little bit alike ponzio pilato's way not to "choice".

Yes, you say 2 times that "I have no reason to believe this thread was removed on purpose with malicious intent" and i understand the reason why, but i have only one question:

did you ask directly to dutty if he is involved in the situation? (aka: did he pay to obtain to be the only one to have the famous and infamous dumps?)

if the answer is:

yes, i asked him and he tell me that he's not involved: well for me the war over. I trust dutty and let's go on with the show.

Thanks a lot from a long time xda addicted.

Massimo
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] enyaj:
I really think nothing more should be said by anyone. The Admin has already released the finding s so we should all go back to our normal lives. I also think Chefs don't need to do anything but continue to share if they want to or keep something for themselves also if they want to. As Flar said, even Admins can't force anyone to share. Dutty Duttys HD V1.9 XTREME WWE Pleeeeeeeaaazzzzzzzzz!!!! :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
Quote, I don't know what to do now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
Yes i have asked dutty directly and he states that he is not involved in paying someone for not sharing a rom, as no-one was willing to produce hard evidence to refute that, I have no reason to believe that he did.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
This is finished......

If Dutty is not guilty no one can prove it. (he'll always be guilty in some peoples eyes).

If he is No one can prove it + its not likely to happen again.

This whole situation has been akin to a witch hunt.

Lets move on, let Dutty have his say if he wants. Dutty has so many supporters that will use his roms why? because he is an excellent cook and a nice guy.

We all know deep down that this episode has run its course, lets close the chapter and learn from this lesson.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jpl69:
Hey davideuck, i know:

Forget about 6.5 (microsoft complaint) and proceed with 6.1 you'r my chef.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fab985:
Ridiculous

And this is the end?

too easy...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aefelix:
Thank you very very much.

Thats the words i need to read.

I appreciate your fast reply.

Love Xda as before.

Massimo
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] knudsen81:
Hey davideuck !!!

You a very good cooker and hope you make more wm6.1 roms.... :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aefelix:
don , read my full post, the one you quote was unfinished.

now all is clear.

Massimo
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hellonasty:
Thanks. I like honesty. Work for it!

For you David, stay here and do what you like. I know it is unfair not work with the same tools ... Remember it is only a hobby!!! :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
With all due respect (and i mean that, i think you are a great cook as well and very helpful on your threads) but get over it.

Cook and share your roms if thats what you want to do,

Leave and go somewhere else if thats what you want to do.

Let XDA resume and please don't 'hold it to ransom' anymore.

Please don't take this as an insult, its really not meant to be but i and thousands of fellow users just want our XDA back.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
What complaint?!?!?

Who has spoke about microsoft complaint?

I don't have complaints from anybody!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
sorry mate, this wasn't directed at you but to everyone. Just used your post as an example.

Read the rest and now is all clear
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
I'm not surprised of the outcome, this is what I expected would happen. All I can say is Davide and all the other cooks are good at what they do and I think it would be time to start back and show people that. As for me and probably many others we can choose who we support and for me that's enough.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
I think that now I got a vacancy from cooking...

I want to re-estabilish my enthusiasm.

But I don't want to wash my hands like Pilate...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jpl69:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3343224#post3343224

I thought this was the "problem"
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Elim:
I can understand that the emotions are high but calm down and see a advice and not lawyers. When this is not possible for you, take a break. For me this helps always :)

Jouh and all others spokes for themself and ofter only try to help.

PS. I am not the lawyer of jouh:D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Elim:
Before I also think in the wrong direction - what are your possibilities - what will you do but can't or don't know if it a good choice?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Elim:
Why will you have a difficult time here?

I am sure it will take some days maybe weeks before everybody is "happy" again but I am also sure that sufficient people here to help therefor. :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fab985:
i hope so

but i don't think so
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rovex:
The right thing to do now would be to either share the ROMs and be done with it, or if thats not possible (although i fail to see how one person using it is any better than 10) then delete it completely and wait for another source.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] samuelson:
i hope davideuck can share again he is the best hd cook in my opinion, cant wait to try your new 6.1 and your brilliant 6.5. :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] lpaso:
yep, more 6.5 roms please Davideuck !
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jouh:
I am nobodys lawyer (definitly not duttys in this case, I am on the sharingside:D ). I just answered the person asking for an official answer from dutty that he already answered "officially" on this matter earlier. You guys should calm down a few bits...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] TraumaX:
Unfortunately there is no clear resolution to this, although I believe the admin/mods have done a good job as far as they were able to and I hope everything can move forward positively now, a lot more respect is being shown now between everyone and that is a good thing.

Davide, if I can help you make your mind up... I can understand your indecision with no clear outcome here but there has been huge public attention to it. Hopefully this will ultimately be a positive thing and anyone thinking of not sharing now will think twice knowing the outcry that will ensue, therefore consider your 'protest' as successful as it could have been.

I would like to think that now is the time for chefs such as yourself, who many of us have a great deal of respect for and look forward to your work so much to lead by example and make sure XDA remains a place for sharing and that members present and perhaps even more so for the new members joining see this as a great place to be part of and want to maintain its good spirit.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KukurikU:
this forum never ceases to amaze me! the T A L E N T and the P A S S I O N gathered here is unbelievable! it is impossible not to admire "the cookers". judging by the last few days i suspect they are all Italian:D

if words could be knives (sometimes are worse) the forum would be drenched in rivers of blood:eek:

i love and respect you all:) keep doing what u are doing best!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] rovex:
I think at this point there is nothing to be gained from stopping development. Those of us who use the ROMs can make our own decisions about who did what and we can choose whos ROMs to use accordingly.. ;)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dcoales:
Hi Davideuck, I would agree with Traumax. I think by your protest you have achieved as much as can be achieved by raising the profile of the issue. From here I think it would be best to take the moral high ground and show what life should be like - sharing for the benefit of all.

Many thanks for all your hard work (I am currently a very impressed user of your 6.1 ROM) and the same to all the other chefs who put in so much effort and share their labour with us.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] sangreal:
I think some people are missing the whole point of the stand that people are taking here and nothing has really been ascertained in all honesty, likely never will.

Nethertheless the whole ethos of what this site is all about is somewhat shattered by the charade that has taken place and the obvious ineffectiveness of dealing with the actions that some person/people has/have taken the last few days.

Add that with power hungry mods removing things left/right and center and blocking peoples right to comment on these issues (which the admin has now rightly stopped from happening) it leaves a slightly sour taste in people's mouths. But it isnt me who has to be convinced its all the cooks that have been dedicating hours on end to furthering ROM development in this area.

This is my opinion only and I dont care if anyone likes it or not, its an entirely personal view on things after sitting back and listening/reading all these threads the last few days before commenting on it. Its a shame to see these talented guys stopping the good work they have done for the public benefit and they should be treated better.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] charly_mx:
Just my 2 cents.

I respect Admin in its desition. However something that really bothered me was that there was a gestapo-like surveilance on some cooks threads. I am positive that all must follow forum rules and mods need to enforce that all follow this rules in a orderly fashion. How ever there were many "threats to close threads" if people didnt post something usefull, or just to express their gratitude for the chefs work. Even if they posted in another language recieved threats of temporal Banning because of this.

As you can see, english is not my native language and i try to do my best to make myself undestandable, however sometimes i very hard to do it. So if someone have a question that can only be articulated in their own language and someone is able to answer it in another language differente to english i think that there must not be any kind of problem. I even feel this offensive, to force people to write english or be quiet.

I just wanted to express this. Thanks!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DarkWolve:
i dont think the outcome of this will change anything.

Apart from those who REALLY cook because its fun(who will continue). What about those who cook to see how happy ppl are because of those roms!?

Not everyone is cooking roms because of the cooking process itself!

And now someone came and took the best part of it from the others! Very few people would flash older roms, the most of them would get the newest and best roms!

and i dont even get the people who just say nothing against the Official Statement from the admin!

I dont know anybody here, i just bought a Touch HD because i thought its a great mobile. After some time i found xda-devs and then i saw the possibilities.

However, everyone who protested has to be quiet now, because someone says so (but actually didnt find any proof)!?

Its not about sharing the new Rom dump, its about being FAIR. Everybody sitting in a Ferarri can win a race against a Opel Kadett. I am sorry, but even i (although i never contributed anything to this community) am very unhappy und unsatisfied with this!

Mods and Admins want this community to work, then i expect alot more effort AND a solution which at meast the majority will accept (and i dont mean the majority of the mods and admins, the majority of the Community, Cookers, Developers, everybody who is a part of this and i dont count myself in this- at least not now because i want to do something for this community because it has given me so much until now!).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] arkavat:
My 2 Cents

Hello All,

I am not a developer not a ROM source... I am no one important here. But, I spend time reading posts on this forum and have learned a lot from you guys. I respect each one... not just for your talent.. but for your willingness to work for the community.

Although the temperature often reached high... I think it was clear that CHEFs wanted better transparency in the community and mods wanted better organization within the community. I think we have seen this struggle throughout the history of mankind. It is the classic struggle between people and it's government. The only solution in such matters is compromise and I am glad we achieved it.

Flar, I think you did the best you can with the resources/ data that was available to you. But with due respect, I would like make a suggestion. It might be total BS.. and feel free to reject it.. but I hope you think about it.

XDA is a community, which depends largely on cooperation. CHEFs need to work together to improve each other and not keep reinventing the wheel, each time a new ROM dump is available. But, I do understand that some people don't want to share their work or their sources, just like any private developer firm... like say SPB or MS.

But, if we keep encouraging this, we will soon have pseudo private firms set up within xda... all wanting to have exclusive material. and will keep pushing users for donation. I have already seen cases where new updates are being made available early to those who donated. XDA will soon turn into nothing but APP STORE. CHEFs will start demanding donations for their exclusives.

I think the only way to avoid it is to promote sharing. Yes, we cannot push anyone... but we can reward those who share. here is my suggestion:

1) Any CHEF who shares his work with the community should be allowed to request for donations in their threads.

2) Any chef who wants to keep his software exclusive, will not be allowed to ask for donations. if they want to make money, they can sell their software on their website and discuss the development here. But they abuse the community by releasing exclusive features and attracting donations, while, CHEFs ,who share, are suffering.

This is just a suggestion. Please feel free to improve it...

Sincerely,

Arkavat
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] DarkWolve:
At least ONE Person with a suggestion for a solution
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] charly_mx:
I concurr. What I love of this forum is that people cook or develop just for fun. At least most of them. I think that donations are great to motivate cooks and devs but as far as I have seen, people dont do it for money. Also it would be ilegal to sell a cooked ROM because of Microsoft License.

So I believe that the spirit in this great community is sharing. Period. :D

Mods need to be vigilant but not vigilantes :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
Every chef in this community already shares. Have you ever or anyone else here had to buy a rom?

Donations mean 'to give'. No one is forced to donate.

For every one else who keeps on implying that nothings changed a 'neutral Admin' who has the best of XDA to mind has said there is no proof of anything.

Case pretty much closed

Lets stop the bitterness and move on?

this isnt directed soley at you mate but at every one who seems to be dragging thier heels over this issue
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
Yes, well i'm afraid its not the mods who have been the vigilantes.

vigilante: 'One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.'