yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] dipje:
Let me help you out there, the camera is still like any other HTC camera... probably even a plastic lens.

So 2mp, 3.2mp, 8mp... The pictures they take are still sooooo much worse than my 6 year old Sony Ericsson 1.3mp.

So don't let the 5mp camera weigh in your decision making. It's only marketing stuff.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] chinhe:
htc HD or htc TP2

i am really became addicted to Wm phones since i got my htc TyTN last summer 2008.. i enjoyed flashing roms even cooking my own.. since my Girlfriend bought her kaiser then i start evnying her coz of major differrences :o but now im looking forward to get another device.. or the htc HD ( already released, 5mp camera, 3.8" screen, can be fully upgraded like htc TP2, and costs less), or htc TP2 (will be realesed on summer i think here in europe(wait or not?), 3mp camera (i dont capture pics a lot but my Girlfriend does!), 3.6" screen, its fully equal to HD (even the hardwares i think, just the keyboard), and the keyboard slider (i send text msgs a lot)..

i think my main goal is the keyboard slider, but i think typing on virtual keyboard with HD is easy too with large screen, so for me its ok but a keyboard i think is a must in every phone..

so, i should wait the touch pro 2 until release date? or i can content me with HD? if u would be in my situation what would u do? :D

thanks in advance!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] 7boo:
Do you think i should upgrade my Fuze to the TP2? i got it 3 days after the fuze came out which was late 08 but you think the specs are worth it?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DavidMc0:
The Rhodium is somewhat annoying... falls just a few steps short of perfection!

I may upgrade to it from my X1 because:

- Bigger screen

- far better keyboard

- decent speaker phone (though I don't know how much I'll use it)

But, I'd miss:

- Headphone socket. I'll have to carry a flippin' adaptor everywhere like with my old kaiser!

- optical joystick & D-pad

- smaller size

Maybe I should wait for a snapdragon based WVGA device with keyboard... looking forward to proper reviews of the Rhodium once it's nearing release to help me make my mind up!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Star-Lite:
the hardware is almost identical.

The only upgrades would be a biggger screen, zoom slider, the speakerphone and a different (maybe better, maybe worse) keyboard. you will lose the d-pad tho.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rambo6:
I skipped the Touch Pro and am still using my Kaiser. The Touch Pro did nothing for me.. I'm sick and tired of HTC's little tiny 2.8" screens. I damn near bought an I-Phone just for the decent viewing size.

I'm totally excited to get the Touch Pro 2. It's got marvellous specs. A decent sized screen and lots of horsepower under the hood.

I've been playing around with WM6.5. If the real 6.5 is anything like the leaked versions, I'd just soon stay with the WM6.1. WM6.5's honeycomb effect looks stupid to me. I just want raw computing horsepower. I thin WM6.5 is going to be one of those Vista things - It doesn't really add any extra capabilities and just causes trouble.

I am also entertaining the Acer Tempo M900 and Toshiba TG01. The Acer looks great. It used WM6.1 which is a tried and true platform at this point in time. The Toshiba TG01 using Qualcomm's new Snapdragon processorr at 1 Ghz is quite the unit.

The specs of the HTC Touch Pro 2 beat anything that's out there. I also like the tilting screen of my HTC Kaiser which is repeated on the Touch Pro 2. The thing that really makes me angry is that HTC has fallen into collusion with the carriers. The Touch Pro 2 to be offered in Germany, will have 900 and 2100 band 3G. If they'd just add 850 1900, the phone could use US 3G.

Instead of buying the German Version which is coming out right away, I'll have to wait until AT&T gets their grimy little hands on it to get the 3G frequencies for North America. What if a german wants to come to the U.S. for business? He will only have Edge in North America. This is totally BS.

HTC better pull their heads out and start putting some North American 3G in phones. If I were HTC, I'd make a model of this phone with the following 3G bands all in the same phone, 850, 900, 1900, and 2100. Such a phone would pick up 3G almost anywhere.

Don't waste your money on the HTC Fuze. Once the HTC Touch Pro 2 comes out, you'll wish you'd have waited.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] speed1585:
IDK man I take alot of pictures with some great cameras and always thought the 1.3 of the 6700 sucked but mostly because of no auto focus and unless you have a tripod there not coming out.. the 3.2 in the TP is far superior in quality to the 1.3 tho Im sure most of it is the auto focus...

If I had to pick between a keyboard and camera.. I'd have to go keyboard all the way...the camera is cool to have when you want to capture something and you dont have a regual camera... but if you know your going to take pictures take a real camera :)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xcom923:
I'm in the same boat. Wait!! this is way better than touch pro and it brings back the tilt (if you care) I never really saw touch pro as a real successor to the tilt this seems more like it to me.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] josefcrist:
i just want a huge all powerful phone with a dpad and softkeys. so basically a touch pro2 with a kaiser body .
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Hojlind:
i myself would wait till the pro 2 came out because of the new great features, it seems to have, and the fact that you get the free upgrade to wm 6.5. it is also worth mentioning, that the pro is just like the diamond, except from the keyboard of course ;) and i have the diamond and can tell you that is is slooow in touchflo, and that the pro 2 should have been improved to run it smooth.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Brainio:
I was ready to buy the Blackstone (Touch HD) until I saw this at the Mobile World Congress. Its basically the Blackstone with a slide out qwerty and tilt. I will be 100% waiting for this.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] sino8r:
Quit spamming the boards with your stupid quadruple posts!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] lpasq:
have been passing on dumping my trusty tilt for months. looking forward to tp2 now. now the wait begins ;)
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] secretasianman:
Wait for the Touch Pro2 and check out the reviews. I sold my HTC Fuze (Touch Pro) a few days ago and have been using a jailbroken iPhone 3G. From my own experience, the Fuze had crappy cellular reception, wifi reception, and GPS reception (though I read flashing another radio might have helped). I had to flash an XDA ROM to make it run faster.

You'll definitely be happy with the larger screen if you can wait. By the time the US carriers release theirs, maybe they'll even come with Windows Mobile 6.5.

Personally I'm not getting any WinMo phones until WinMo 7 is released. I'm tired of the sluggishness and non-finger friendliness of WinMo 6.

Please oh please MS: Don't screw this up.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gehzumteufel:
I say wait for the TP2. It is basically the same as the TouchPro/Fuze/whatever, but it has a better screen, digitizer (the part that detects touch), and a few other slick features.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] jpmalum:
Touch pro II

Dude be patient and go for the Touch Pro II, there is no point going with the Touch pro now, when in barely a couple of months its better successor will be released
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] morrowa2:
Waiting for VZW

I'm hoping to upgrade from my XV6800 at the end of the year NE2 in December. What do you think are the chances that Rhodium will come to Verizon by the end of the year??? I know what you're going to say, that I should defect from Verizon like everyone else, but my whole family uses verizon so I'm kinda stuck. VZW just released Diamond 1 today! I'm guessing I'll be waiting until this time next year for VZW to even begin the process of altering the original TPII to a useless piece of junk. :rolleyes: Some of the threads out there speak of verizon's talk of an "i-phone killer" coming this year. I'm hoping it's not the Whitestone with it's stupid kickstand. Do you think it will be worth the wait?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] radio_flyer:
I was also in this same boat, almost went with the Fuze, but decided to wait for the TP2 when and if it comes to at&t, or just might jump ship to T-mobile if it's true that they'll be getting it first.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] orb3000:
So meantime wait or not wait thread continues almost all of us are still waiting!...:cool:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Lyian:
anyone noticed the picture sprint posted for the Rhodium?

I dont see the rear SmartTalk speaker on the back. Plus the key board looks wayy different.. not sure if thats the actuall device that sprint modified, or if it just a photoshoped mockup.

I dont see the rear SmartTalk speaker on the back. Plus the key board looks wayy different.. not sure if thats the actuall device that sprint modified, or if it just a photoshoped mockup.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] stoobie-doo:
Has anyone seen confirmation (or leak) that there will be a version with the AT&T 3G bands released?
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Poke_N_PDA:
I blew up the image and looked at the phone. Here are my thoughts.

Keyboard: It's got the same number of keys, they just made the "fn" key on the left yellow. Otherwise it's the same.

Speaker: Yeah, it's different, but it's still a large grill. I think the high-quality speakerphone is still there. Plus, it's still got the mute button.

Front facing camera: From the specs and the blown up image, I think it's almost certainly gone. That pisses me off as I REALLY wanted that. I know they keep removing it because they don't want people using it for data and running up large usage. Still though, they shouldn't control the hardware, but they do. >>>:(

Bottom Plugs: I know I may be way off, but it looks like there is more than one plug in the bottom. The TP2 we've seen had a single HTC Connection in the center. this looks like it if offset and that there may be another one opposite it. Here's hoping there actually is a 3.5mm jack. I know it's a fat chance, but that would make all my complaints disapear.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
im gonna wait for the TP2. i have the tilt and im getting tired of how small the screen is compared to the iphone an the g1. when i first saw this phone is had my sights set on it. i just hope that it doesnt come to at&t as the barium, a rumor that has been floating around over at the at&t forums. i want it to look exactly the way it does in pre-release pics. silver body and all. the barium has a green keyboard! cmon! ridiculous!
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
i totally agree with you. when i got my tilt and saw that the front facing camera wasnt there i thought that at&t was trying to screw me outta my money. i hope at&t keeps it! and it would be AMAZING if it had a 3.5 mm headphone jack. im tired of carrying a damn adapter around. i hate it when US carriers mess around with the hardware. it never has any positive results.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
man I just watched the videos of the TP2 on pocketnow.com...now I want it even more!! I can't wait till this phone comes out! I just wish it would look EXACTLY the same way it does in the video
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] DesCo:
Am I the only person who is very concerned about the lack of a D Pad?

I've been putting off going from the Tilt to the Fuze (I hate ATT branding) because I didn't like that the TP doesn't have a scroll wheel and less hard buttons. I figured I'd just hold out for the TP2, but it has just as few hard buttons and no D Pad. I absolutely require a touch screen on my phone, but I still prefer hard buttons for basic navigation.

I'm really starting to worry that it's going to be a while before a suitable replacement comes out.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] poppinpengawen:
I'm not worried about the lack of a D-pad, but only because I'm used to using the touch screen more than the D-pad. I only use the D-pad when I only have one hand free, but I've been getting the hang of using the touch screen with one hand. I'm pretty sure there are many others out there that are in the same boat as you. I just like the way it looks without the D-pad. more room for that amazing screen (:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] fone_fanatic:
at the begining of april, the touch pro 2 was found on FCC's site. Now all the blogs said that its the T-Mobile US variant. but if you download the test report pdf it shows that the device submitted to the FCC is sporting the At&t 3G bands 1900mhz (WCDMA/HSUPA/HSDPA 1922.4MHz- 1977.6MHz) and 850MHz (WCDMA/HSUPA/HSDPA 880.4MHz-914.6MHz)

Now I dont know all the FCC rules but i'd suppose that if the same device was going to be sold in the US but was gonna sport different bands (i.e. T-mobile's wcdma bands) i'd suspect the device would need its own filing.

heres the link to the FCC filing.

[size=+2]UPDATE, T-Mobile HTC RHODIUM SPOTTED ON FCC TODAY![/size]

Ok, i just found another FCC filing, this one sporting T-Mobile 3G Bands 1900Mhz and 1700MHz

While the one with At&t 3G bands was listed under the FCC ID NM8RHOD100, the T-Mobile 3G banded Device is listed as NM8RHOD210
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] f1ip:
nice...

hope Tmo version has UMA.. i'd PreOrder this baby.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gehzumteufel:
The Wing has been eliminated from the T-Mobile website. This is good news. It means we are closer to a launch on the magenta. w00t I can't wait. I need a new phone. This Hermes is getting a bit long in the tooth.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] oltp:
Memory pressure

Does anyone know how the memory pressure is on the TP2? On my old Hermes I got only 20MB program memory left when I fresh start the device. Which usually goes down rapidly when browsing the net and running other programs. Sure some of it can be reclaimed but ... Noticed the Diamond with a much larger rom than my Hermes doesn't leave much program memory as well (with TF3D).

So how's the TP2 doing?

cheers, M
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Poke_N_PDA:
Shameless Braggery:

Looks like I might have been right!!!!!

http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...dibs-on-3-5mm-audio-jack-for-telus-and-veri/1
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] rambo6:
AT&T Touch Pro 2

I've been jonesing for an AT&T Touch Pro 2 which will work on the 850 & 1900 3G bands used by AT&T. I surely hope they get it soon and it includes a 3.5mm audio jack.

I'm getting tired of my HTC TyTN II's little screen.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gehzumteufel:
The GSM variants will NOT have a 3.5mm audio jack. Also, the AT&T issued handset is not going to be available till October if all sources that have reported it are correct.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xaiphod:
So have we ascertained that the Rhodium is far greater (ie, worth the money) over the Raphael?

i have been trawling forums, youtube etc + shopping sites of all different shapes and sizes, tracking price changes, technical reviews, user reviews etc. So far, the biggest gripe seems to be that "it's too bulky".... too bulky? it's nearly a small laptop ffs! what do you want?!

i'm currently (still) using an N73, but my next phone has to fulfill a need, so I can't just get whatever crap comes with my phone plan this time around.

admittedly, I have umm'd and arr'd between the Raphael (plus a cooked rom) and Rhodium for nearly a month now. i'm struggling to get past the "no flash" thing. i know it's a phone and not a camera, but it is useful to me. not only that but there is currently no hardware advantage in the TP2...

anyhow, sorry for the rant. i guess i'm just looking for a little push in either direction, lol.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] gehzumteufel:
There is a hardware adavantage. The keyboard is much lauded over the Raphael. Also, the screen tilts. Which helps in very bright situations.

Also, I say go with the TP2. It is a sexy device. Before the TP2 was announced and leaked to be on T-Mobile, I was going to look at getting either a G1 or a Touch Pro and just unlock it. Then the TP2 was proven to be coming to TMOUS and I finally decided on a phone. For the first time in 3 years I was set on what phone I was going to upgrade next to.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] Link278:
i don't think the touch pro one is even close to as good of a tilt replacement as the touch pro 2 is, cause the touch pro 2 tilts unlike the touch pro 1, has 2 speakers, a bigger screen than the touch pro 2, and i heard the screen is much more touch sensitive too, also it has a better keyboard. But the screen size and sensitivity is a big one for me but in the end its up to you because i am pretty sure the touch pro 2 is gonna coast quite a bit more :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] coscom:
I was wondering if anyone could let me know just how much slower light web browsing and using logmein to access and fix customer's computers might be using the TP2 over EDGE as opposed to my current little 8525 which sometimes gets 3G signal (I live in a fairly rural area so getting 3G isn't always possible). In particular I am wondering if the 3G in the above circumstances would be enough faster to make it better to just wait for the Fortress to come out or if it would be a good idea to buy the TP2 and then sell it off to subsidize the purchase of the Fortress when AT&T finally get's arround to releasing their version? Thanks in advance for any advice in this matter.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] ButtonBoy:
I have no idea what logmein is, but I wondered the same thing- would dropping back to EDGE put a cramp in my style?. So I shut off 3G on my Tilt last December, and have been using it on EDGE ever since. I barely noticed the difference at all. The REAL WORLD difference in transfer rate isn't that much, at least in the cities I frequent. (Seattle, Portland, SF, LA) It only mattered using SPB-TV which uses streaming video, and I decided I didn't really like that anyway.

So a month ago, I did get me a Euro-3G TP2. It has a very nice keyboard, unmolested by those twinks at ATT. I will receive the 6.5 update directly from HTC, without all the bloatware of ATT's release. I do have a front camera, although I haven't found a real use for it yet. No 3.5mm jack, no PTT button. I remember how many months I had to wait for the 6.1 update from ATT for my Tilt- I am not willing to go through that again with the 6.5 release.

That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] coscom:
Thanks for the reply, it is making my decision easier, now if I can just justify the money to myself. By the way, logmein is a web based remote control program that lets you remote control a PC from another PC or smartphone over the internet. It is easier to do with a laptop or desktop on a broadband connection but I've managed it via my 8525, it is just that the tiny screen can be rather annoying. It's really cool if you need that fuctionality and the version without some of the extras like data transfer is even free at their website. Anyways, thanks again.
[Touch Pro2, Tilt 2 Windows Mobile General] xaiphod:
cheers for the replies guys :) looks like i'll be saving my pennies for a tp2! :D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] basmareck:
Hi guys, I am posting here just to solve one issue of my father's diamond.

I have one raphael, my father got a diamond, and it is different on provider informations.

My raphael automatically detects the provider's configuration, installing it on connections, I tryied it with my father's diamond, and his diamond doesnt take the provider's information, I dont know why. So, I have just configured it by my hand manually, using the necessary informations, all ok, it worked fine, he can work on internet, but the problem is that all times he power on his phone, come the warning that is trying to take provider's information, and automatically goes to the connections on settings tab, its a warning, I think that the cell phone doesnt detect that it is manually typed, and try again with a global icon on hardware's tasks.

Once I have already configured it, I would like to KILL this warning, he is a big disapointed with it, that appears sometimes.

Thanks for now
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] TheCuriousOne:
Hi....first of all...I am not an expert! I think the solution might be to go to 1) Settings......2)Connections and click on the connection setup symbol, (if you have it) this should set it up for you.....hope this helps
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] basmareck:
It the PDA goes automatically, but always repeat when i power on the phone
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] diaoliuxiao:
the last answer:flash the other rom
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] basmareck:
I will find it, but I dont know if I is easy to locate the portuguese rom as it is installed on his fone
[General Topics] MyThumbs:
I hope im posting in the right place if not i appologize. I am working on the win6 mobile emulator. I am wanting to use the emulator as a real phone using my wireless air card. The wireless aircard has its own phone number and i would like to configure it to work on that, to make calls and to send and receive text messages also. Has anyone done this or know how to, maybe a place were i can get the instructions how to do this.
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
Well said. That is why I ain't investing on any phone unless it has about 1GHz of processor power.
[General Topics] Soaa-:
Of course it's about cost issues. There are multiteraflops computers in this world, but why can't we get our hands on them? Because they cost too much, duh.

Think about it. Do you want to pay $500,000 for a phone? Just because it contains chips that will economically viable in about five years?
[General Topics] crobs808:
But that is exactly my point, it really does not cost that much. You have been conditioned to think that it costs hundreds of tousands of dollars for this stuff.

This was exactly my point. Consumers have been trained to believe that this stuff really costs SO much money when in fact it does not. So we just put it out of our mind as unaffordable, and settle for a much more mediocre device.

For example, a 60" Plasma Flast Screen TV made by Pioneer (the best HDTV maker on the market) costs then about $200-$300 to make...they charge over $1,500 to $2,000 now. Do you also remember when that same 60" Plasma costs over $10,000 to make back in 2000 or 2001? Well they were not using any different or better parts back then, in fact probably worse parts than the new ones, however the price came from the "idea" of what HDTV was, and not from the actual cost/prices.

Huge advancements in technology are being withheld from us under the guise that it costs a lot of money, when in fact it costs Intel no more money to manufacture and 80core chip than it does for then to manufacture a single core chip. Perhaps a few dollars more, but we're talking about 5% or 10% of the price they charge as their costs here. Why do you think electronic companies never go out of business? I mean the names like LG, Samsung, Pioneer, Panasonioc, Sony, Motorola, etc....these have been around forever, and always will be because they are pulling the wool over our eyes.

I get sick evertime I read a press release from one of the big electronic giants about a "new" technology being introduced into the market, and although the price is sky high, some peiople will buy it. All I can sit there and think about it "Wow, how many decades did they wait to show this to us, only to tell us it was new and charge us out the butt for something they have had in their possesion for years?"

GRR! I will stop venting now.