yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD General] Cret:
Battlog eh? Thanks for the suggestion - will look it up :)

*edit* here it is - I'll try this tonight, if only as it's quicker than going through the SKtools menus to get to the power usage:

http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-battlog.html

I just began uninstalling stuff to see if it helps (seems to currently run around 106-111mah drain - no idea what might be considered 'normal' and have seen other posts questioning this but no real answers - yet).

Uninstalled Memmaid, and the wedge 18 tab action screen, and also Singh's 15 tab thingy. Have also turned off Handy Switcher as I had that running from startup. It's still drawing 106mah after all that!

One side effect though after removing those, was the weather applet appeared on S2U2 when I unlocked it - first time it's worked! It did disappear again though so there's still a problem with that too. :(
[Touch HD General] custardo01:
I've seen many posts where people blame software they have installed and the developer denies it is the software etc.... I think in the end it comes down to the device/battery or manila/TF3D. I may be wrong of course and will be interested to see how you go with it all.
[Touch HD General] Cret:
I think it must be software since I have a lot on there and it was fine for the first few weeks I owned it and then suddenly began losing LOADS of power.

For some reason my data connection is not working now either! Might be time for a hard reset I guess. :(
[Touch HD General] stepw:
If you are getting ~150mah consumption when the unit is in use, then with a standard 1350mah battery the lifetime should be 9 hours per charge.

If your battery dies in 1 day, then the unit is consuming the same amount of power almost all the time, even when it's locked or sleeping and this is not normal, unless you want it this way.

Some software, in particular lock managers and button managers are believed to be causing battery drain as they prevent the device from entering deeper sleep states where power can be conserved.

There's software floating on this forum that enables wi-fi and wave audio drivers to remain active in unattended mode (when your backlight is off) too, battery is drained a lot faster when any of these are installed.
[Touch HD General] Cret:
Good points

I doubt there's any way of monitoring what power is being used in standby mode is there?

For instance, would an app be possible so that when sync'd and usb charging turned off the app on your desktop could run the same power monitoring process that you find in the likes of SKtools? That would answer a lot of questions I think!
[Touch HD General] taimoorhusain:
PowerGuard

I used PowerGuard, when I was troubleshooting my battery problems ... and you can run the monitor and put it in standby mode, backlight off etc. I used to consume ~180maH when on, no calls no bluetooth and ~96mAh when backlight off/standby.

For me the culprits were S2U2 and Enable HSDPA in the phone settings. I cant get 3G cause im in the US, but it was alwys searching for a signal... after disabling those two.. im at 115mAH when on and 33mAh when standby and back to an ~18 hour battery life.
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
Oh dear, I just made a new thread with the same question really :( Silly me.

What version of S2U2 are you using? Did you upgrade that recently? I moved up to 1.5 and I think that might be the culprit, but I've uninstalled it and still having poor battery problems.

**EDIT** Okay, so I have Battlog installed, the drain sometimes shows as -330ma, but how do I see what is causing that drain?
[Touch HD General] nikki-m:
My battery was lasting 2 days on the standard rom, using S2U2 and with HSDPA enabled.

I then upgraded to the Davideuck V-1 HP, and changed the radio from 1.09 to 1.12. Again I did have SU2U installed.

The battery then lasted about 6 hours, and the unit shut down before the ending of my day at work. I can only assume that the pda was consuming too much power even when switched off.

After two frustrating days, I gave up last night, and installed Davideuck V6 and changed the radio to 1.10, and now the pda battery is lasting for ages. It's only dropped from 100% to 99% after 5 hours.

OK, I know I should have changed things one step at a time, but I must assume that either the 1.12 radio or the V-1 rom is causing the problem.

I don't think S2U2 is the culprit here. But I do suspect that it might be the V-1 rom, as I believe that some folk have a similar problem with the new Dutty rom too. However, other users of the V-1 rom assure me that they don't have such a problem, so I'm confused!
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
Hmm, Dutty's 2.0 is using radio 1.09. Maybe I should try 1.10? Where can I get it from?
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Follow link in my signature below.;) Has all Radios
[Touch HD General] custardo01:
There should be for example "Active Application=ThumbcalStart" just above the temp/ma figures in the log file like in this screen shot post 17.

I am guessing 330ma does not sound too excessive for an open application as long as it is not running all the time.
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
So, idle it's at around 90-100. When I turned it off and S2U2 didn't start, it dropped down to 33 fairly steady. When I locked S2U2 and then turned it off, it stayed around 80, dropped to 50 for a little while and then came back up to 99...
[Touch HD General] Cret:
Probably a daft question but how do you install PowerGuard from a php file?!
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
Okay, I'm thinking maybe it's these new ROM's then.

I put screen lock on instead of S2U2, didn't help.

I've put L27 latest ROM with S2U2 v1.52... it still seems very poor :(

I don't particularly want to go back to the previous style ROM's, as I love the interface on these new ones, but also, it's not good if my battery is only lasting 15 hours...
[Touch HD General] jiff1:
you don't - i got a straight .cab file from here:

http://www.vandenmuyzenberg.nl/PowerGuard/

try right-clicking and choose 'save linked content as...' if a left-click doesn't work.
[Touch HD General] Cret:
Right click doesn't give me that option mate.

For some reason though on a different machine (at work) doing save target as shows it as a cab file. Didn't do that at home as I'd have expected it to....

Anyway - power wise, after doing a hard reset the other day the battery performance has been great so it was definitely software at fault. My theory is that it's not necessarily a piece of software/individual process at fault, but with lots installed, I think programs that do the same sort of stuff fight for attention and take a load of power with them.
[Touch HD General] Cret:
Another update on this - several days now after a hard reset and a few bits uninstalled, the battery is performing amazingly well.

I've messed with the phone a few times today, not doing much, couple of weather updates and going through a few menus etc and it's still on 99% about 12 hours after taking it off charge. Brilliant.

So if you have battery problems the first thing I would suggest is hard reset and gradually add stuff you need back on.
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
Mine is still chewing through the battery. :(

Here is a bit from the Battlog report -

So I think I'd updated weather, then turned it off (so maybe S2U2 then started). It then sat there doing nothing... but pulling over 200ma! Is there a more in depth log I can get, maybe some better monitoring software? It should drop to -30ma when not doing anything, surely?
[Touch HD General] stepw:
If a CPU intensive task is constantly running, you may expect increased consumption. On my Touch HD, depending on the ROM and radio version constant CPU utilization at around 1% causes ~200ma to be consumed, with 0% CPU utilization I get ~70ma.

With backlight and radio on I doubt you can ever get 30ma consumption on Blackstone.
[Touch HD General] blinky3i:
I had very poor battery performance all of a sudden and went through the motions of turning off wifi, uninstalling programs etc trying to find a root cause. Then within a few days i noticed a weakening of the haptic feedback on the buttons at the bottom then i lost control of the touch screen and no haptic feedback whatsoever (the buttons did not work either).

So the phone has gone back for repair, just found out that htc have been unable to repair so i will be getting a new one within two weeks.

Fingers crossed for third time lucky as the first one went back because of dead pixels
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
Last night I flashed the ROM on my HD again (with Davideuck V2). All I've put back on for now is Resco File Explorer and PowerGuard.

I stopped charging at 10pm. When I woke at around 8am it showed 95% but with a little use it quickly dropped to 89%. It has stayed at that for the last 1½ hours though, so after almost 12 hours, I've only used 11%.

I think we all my things installed, after 12 hours, even with most of them being unused overnight, I would probably expect to be down to about 70% by now.

There are two programs I think are likely to be causing the drain, two which run all the time, S2U2 and phoneAlarm.

Now, I guess I could turn off phoneAlarm when I know I need extended battery life, but I don't see how you can use the HD without some kind of screen lock? It makes no sense to me, that when I receive a call while the phone is off, you get the slide to answer or ignore, but the hardware key can answer it for you too...
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
I realise I may be talking to myself here... but maybe someone will find my ramblings useful :)

I put PocketShield on instead of S2U2, it seemed to do a good job without draining the battery much, although I don't like it as much as S2U2 :(

Late last night I put phoneAlarm on, which I thought might give a problem, and it did. Battery drain seemed high again. So, I'm leaving it on, but turning off location management. It's a shame, as that's quite impressive, changing profile dependent on where I am. We'll see, if it's as simple as that, I can leave it on when I know I'll be home within 12 hours, turn it off if I'm out and about for a day or two. We'll see how it goes.
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
So, I seem to be on to a winner. I'm now using -

Davideuck V3

Dutty Radio ROM 1.09

Lumos v10RC1

S2U2 1.45

As mentioned above, I've given PhoneAlarm the elbow for now.

If I use today as an example, I took the HD off charge at 5:45am this morning, since then I have -

Listened to music for 50 minutes

Received a couple text messages

Browsed the web for 10 minutes

Had it on and off a couple of times an hour

It's not 8pm, so just over 14 hours of use and I'm now at 73%. Yesterday, was similar use, I took it off charge at 8am and at 11pm it was still 75%...

That means I'm now using around 1.7% per hour, which would mean it could go 58 hours before dying. If I was to turn it off while I sleep, it could go almost 4 days before needing to be charged!

Bottom line, be careful what you install. If it's something that remains running the whole while (screen lock, location detection etc) there's a pretty good chance it will shorten your battery life.

For the record, Radio ROM 1.12 ate through the battery at around 3.7% per hour... 1.10 was around 2.2%.
[Touch HD General] xmoo:
So ur saying Dutty Radio ROM 1.09 is the best???

Wich version of it?
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
I'm on 1.09.25.35 and it seems to have great life in the battery.

I still haven't charged since yesterday 6am, now 40 hours later I'm still at 40%!

Has anyone else found that if they hard reset and put the same stuff back on they sometimes get different battery drain? Maybe I'm just on a good install... I daren't flash to test other things now.
[Touch HD General] Xeon:
1.09 is the best so far. I can guarantee that. I only charge my device every 3 days with normal usage and ~ 1.5 hour talk time/day
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
Just to duplicate the post I made about the new 1.13 Radio Rom -

"I've been doing a lot of testing of battery life over the past 10 days. Here are some facts -

1.12 - 12 hours use - 44% battery used - 3.7% ph

1.10 - 17 hours use - 37% battery used - 2.2% ph

1.09 - 17 hours use - 30% battery used - 1.8% ph

1.13 - 15 hours use - 22% battery used - 1.5% ph*

*I have to admit, I've slanted the facts slightly, the 16th hour with 1.13 it dropped 10%... but then it stayed at 68% the whole night and infact is still at 68% now, so you could claim it's 32% used over 24 hours which is 1.3% ph. Of course, all of the radios use very little power overnight, so I've left it out of all measurements to keep it a level playing field."

We need to switch to 1.13 people ;)
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Already using 1.13 and I can confirm battery life does appear to be better than 1.12. Can't confirm any others though
[Touch HD General] kingspeare:
confirming the 1.13 battery life

i find this radio gives me better batterylife than 1.12
[Touch HD General] pudman:
Interesting thread although I realise I'm a bit late to the party. :(

I gave up on cooked roms a month ago due to poor battery life (among other things). I then had good battery life using the 1.56 HTC rom. After a few happy weeks I decided to try a cooked rom again, L26 v2.2 - very nice, stable, seemingly bug-free ROM but again I am not happy with the battery life. It's frustrating when so many people say these ROMs have amazing battery life. I installed exactly the same applications as I did on the HTC rom but also S2U2. I assumed this app to be the battery draining culprit so removed it. There was possibly a small improvement but I was still not happy.

I ran BattLog last night & here is my analysis:

After 15 hours I used up 78% battery life,

During that time I watched a 1 hr movie and spent 15 minutes connected to wi-fi syncing email, weather, rss etc & nothing else. Both me and the HD were asleep for the rest of the time!

Current drawn ranged from 31mA to 502mA; Average draw during the night was 133mA.

Taking the movie out of the equation (accounts for 13% battery drain), I lost 65% over 14 hours with the phone doing virtually nothing (just under 5% per hour). So in conclusion, I can't even get a full day of virtually no usage out of a single charge!

I saw phonealarm mentioned earlier as a potential culprit - I have used this before when I haven't had battery problems but perhaps it is interfering with something on the new ROMs. I like phonealarm - not just for profiles but also repeating alarms & data monitoring. It is a great app but if I have to sacrifice it then so be it. I will uninstall & see if that improves things.
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
I will almost garantee that this is draining battery. How much depends on what options you use. I now get about 1.5% per hour, with pA all settings on it was up at 5-7% an hour I think.

Anything that runs in the background is going to cause battery drain. It was even worse when I had 2nd today to run pA.
[Touch HD General] pudman:
Thanks. I too was running PA on 2nd today. Have uninstalled the former & now not running the latter either. Battery hasn't moved from 100% for a good hour whilst in standby. Not gonna get too carried away but definitely looking promising!:D
[Touch HD General] pudman:
Testing overnight was pretty conclusive:

With 2nd today running phonealaram, battery drain was 4.6% per hour

Without 2nd today running and phonealarm uninstalled, battery drain was 1.9% per hour

Thanks.
[Touch HD General] :
Also U can try Dutty's 3.4. Don't know how they achieved this. Amazing battery life. For the first time my HD is cool _literally_ to handle :D and surfing an hour over wifi causes only 3-4% battery loss :)
[Touch HD General] alper1:
You are giving false information. I use also Dutty's 3.4, but my HD loses 15-20% battery when I'm on internet via wifi. (BTW: no extra cabs installed)
[Touch HD General] :
I am not giving false information :p why should I? That's how things are on my side. If wifi signal <50% then consumption around 5-6% per hour from 100%. But the rate of discharge can slightly go up as the battery goes down, which I have seen in most devices.. probably the way the charge monitored on Li-ions has this limitation.

Either ways your 15-20% is definitely abnormal, unless you are in a very low signal area.
[Touch HD General] andes83:
Ok i read all night about battery problems cause i'm new at using the Touch Hd and like every noob as soon as i got my hands on it i started installing everything surfing the internet and etc. then (on the second day of useage) my battery began to die with almost 5% an hour (didn't do anything just looking at settings in the device and browsing through TouchFlo).I'm using the stock rom 1.14 something and radio 1.09 (as i got it from the store havent cooked roms or anything).I tried almost everything to determine the problem installed Task Manager, Battlog ,SKTools and HDTweak the latest version turned off the Activsync as i read that it eats a lot of energy when constantly trying to connect i also installed Lumus as someone said that it's great with energy saving.Of course i turned off the backlight also 3G and i left it only in Phone mode charged the battery before going to bed was 95% after 8 hours asleep 93% ... great i thought.....started looking at the Battlog it was 68 MaH when i don't touch anything and it goes to 175Mah when browsing the TouchFlo (just browsing) when i start a program it goes to 200-214 Mah.....so....my question is this normal?After 1 hour of just moving my finger through the screen and played Bubbles for 4-5 min i get 83% thats 10% drop by doing nothing.I don't expect wonders from the battery as it is a big ass screen and it consume lots of energy but with every setting on low and even tweaking it a lot to get lower it's pretty fast for a "great battery" . I will be happy if anyone like me tried almost everything and gets that kind of drop with very low useage as i don't want to believe that it's a faulty device and it's just a user (noob) mistake.
[Touch HD General] AndyCr15:
If you're saying you were using it solidly for an hour I would probably have guessed 6-10% battery drain would be normal, so I can't say I'm surprised it dropped 10%. The fact it only dropped 5% in the 8 hours you weren't using it suggests things are fairly normal.

I would highly recommend flashing a new ROM though, you should find if you flash and then keep it to just the things you really need, rather than whats flashy, it will last a couple of days without too much trouble. Mind you, mine doesn't get used for more than a couple of minutes at a time most days, so I can't comment too much if you use it an hour at a time.
[Touch HD General] pudman:
If I were you I would hard reset & benchmark your battery drain, e.g. with BattLog, without any additional apps installed. Then if you flash a new rom or install anything you can run the same test to see if it affects the drain. Keep all other parameters the same though including usage, type of usage & location (signal strength affects drain).

When I was trying to figure out what was causing my battery drain my test involved running battlog from 5pm to 8am with some light usage. I repeated this two or three nights in succession. Thanks to this thread I found out that PhoneAlarm was the main culprit.

Even without PA my phone drains 1.9% per hour in standby but with light-moderate usage it now comfortably lasts a full day. It's not great but I can live with it.
[Touch HD General] andes83:
Thanks for the replies guys i guess it was too soon for me to worry as the drop really changed by the new settings since last posted my 83% now it's 55% without a recharge and moderate useage (7-8 quck phone calls,installed some programs and played some games,no internet browsing) so i guess it's fine now. It really pays to watch your battery drain with different programs i heard that S2U2 drains very quickly the battery so i did'nt install it at all.I think that disabling Activsync reloading all the time did the trick for me there is a nice tread in this forum about it also Lumus is working great i recomend it.

I see that all of you have Battlog if you can post your MaH's in diferrent modes it would be quite helpful to see how it goes with different ROM's.

Mine are 20-30Mah when sleeping 64Mah when it's wake 175Mah when i browse the TF3D and about 240-270Mah when launching programs (this is with no running applications in the background an no tasks).
[General Accessories] salmankhaliq:
can anyone please tell me what are the positive and negative terminals of the htc Charmer dynapack battery
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] jonyid:
on the today screen at the bottom, the two options are phone on the left soft key and programs on the right soft key.

is there anyway of changing the phone option to contacts??
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] grahamkdt:
Search is your friend!

Try here. Please search before posting... :p
[Touch HD General] Sopis:
Hey guys

I know that there are many threads about this.

But I don't get it.

My phone is charging for more than 4 hours now and it is still stuck on 90%!!!

WTF? :confused:

Any advice?

Thanks.

PS: wifi, BT are turned off...
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
There has been a number of threads on this.

Best advice I can give you is to always try and charge your device switched off if possible. This makes the charging time shorter and helps the battery to "calibrate".

Also, try and let the phone completely drain out before recharging as this will help increase the length of the battery.
[Touch HD General] Gisbourne:
Charge using mains adapter...

My guess is that you are charging via a USB data cable...

If so it takes a very long time to charge via USB (mine takes about 6 hours). I believe this is due to a standard that restricts the amount of power available to run USB devices from a PC.

Try with the mains charger instead and the times improve dramatically (about 2-3 hours).
[Touch HD General] Sopis:
thanks both of you guys.

@gisbourne - I read that already somewhere so I always charge it with the main charger...so now it is plugged to wall for almost 5hrs...and still 92%

I have turned it off now as spartan suggested..and from now on I will do as he said...

thanks again guys ;) appreciate your help.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] bandit999:
HI my english bad syr

when i started manila of my arthemis withe 6.5 rom after 30 min when i look in taskmanger is gwes.exe 7.6-10 mb after when close manila and open ultimate launch its konstand 2,5-maximum 3 mb.why manila make gwes.exe to high?syr for my english is realy lidel bit.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] sepehr_sar2000:
Ebuddy 1.1 java vga version ??????????/

PLZZZZZZZZ :D
[Touch HD General] aiki_aviator:
I have the Telstra T8285 which appears to be locked from the web (http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Versions)

Well I have trawled through the threads for 3 days now trying to find a specific set of instructions for the flashing of ROMs that works for the noob. I have found lots of info, but nothing cohesive.

Because of this I tried starting with a registry edit to test the waters.

I am just getting into this stuff so tried to edit the registry as the first stage of my flashing the ROM. I have tried to use 'Mobile Registry Editor' and adjusting the policies 0001001 item from 2 to 1 and I am getting a denied access error.

Could this have any effect on ability to both prevent backing up the ROM (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=463035&page=2) and then flashing the ROM via (USPL: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=462347) or HSPL (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=431217)

My questions on the flashing of the ROM don't seem to allow me to actually get through to completion even following (http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=483822).

I am using Windows Vista Business I have installed the downgraded drivers. I can't see all folders on the HD when looking through Windows Explorer.

I'm going nuts. Can someone help me please!

Thanks in advance...
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Have you tried the Wiki pages for the Blackstone itself?