yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pzucchel:
Hi JonaJuna,

i think there is a difference between sharing the output of your work - on which i fully agree with your statements - but we all share by definition the INPUT of our work...which are ROMS (released or leaked) from somebody else, for which we all paid for by buying our toys (uhmm sorry: telephones!)

Using the input as a discriminant reminds me 40 years ago when i was playing soccer with my childhood friends: somebody had to share the ball, otherwise he will play alone for quite some time... (just finished seeing Chelsea-Juve, great match even if I am a Milan AC fan...).

...I share my ball (in my ROM i even shared the full kitchen ready to go!). It's fine with me if somebody else has a ball and doesn't want to share, but I'll not play with him for a while....:rolleyes:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
like i said some mods should step aside for the better of the XDA we all love
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
Or simply someone here could tell as the real truth and stop all this bad situation.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
No, i would hate that. Is it really likely though? i'm not so sure.

I am currently running duttys 1.8 rom. (the devil itself it seems!). I paid nothing for it.

I have flashed hundreds of roms and have never had to pay.

The users won't allow it to change.

All i see here is sharing and from dutty is sharing. If the chefs could find a way to make an income from it i think that is fair enough.

The user chooses.

The way this has been dealt with is so devisive.

I respect your passion i really do, but lets keep percpective on this
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jonajuna:
hi back :)

what you say there is the way forward.... the bickering, accusing and sometimes vicious posting isnt really

but the admin has posted now, the matter is being looked into at the highest level, we all need to trust in that process or leave. if its cooks that leave cause they dont like the way it is run here, it will be a shame, but no doubt xda-dev and/or other places will live on with good cooks that share or dont share

some will always share :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] speed200:
Well said.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
can you count the donations in dutty 1.8 threads?

If more cooks had the same source the number would be different...

so: He make money with a kind of monopoly... it's so simple...

and I bet my home that when new HTC PPC will come out it will be ready to continue in this way... SHAME!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jonajuna:
with all due respect, you are sounding jealous

i see the numbers of roms and updates that dutty has cooked

i see from your profile the 1 you have cooked

i dont see you as being in a strong position to be arguing this issue

if people dont wish to donate to a cook or to xdadev, then they dont have to, as i say repeatedly, we all have choices

this is a forum on the interweb, not a democracy or an economic union, there are no issues of monopolies.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KChauJen:
Damn... create the nickname is very easy, but making the nickname to be famous and trusty is very...very hard... and just only a minute of state of DONATION, your nickname is being destroy, nobody trust YOU ANYMORE.

Oh... God, creating your nickname and burying your nickname is just a minute...

KCJ
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] zaharakis:
i'm sorrow reading this thread...

this forum and chef's work is the main reason for keeping people,buying htc devices..

i've been writing in this forum for several years and i support it with best i can..

all these years, i admire all chefs and what they doing, sharing and helping in xda society....

i deslike this behavior of some smart guys who the only thing they doing is to come,grab and if they don't like something just blame,nagging and doom ....

where is respect ??understanding??and chefs are people...they can make mistakes...is human...

allso they have the right to recall any of their work,with no having obligation to apology for that...

of course,every one has the right to take part in,testify his opinion,agree or not, but in civil behavior,respecting .....

i don't like people who assaulting just because they havn't to say something...

now about htc's policy....is allready familiar to all...and we hope that sometime they will think to considered and for us ...

they have to be remember this.....

they are what they are today.... because of their customers.... us:(

regards Dimitris
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] domenic79:
JonaJuna!

A lot people think and see the same that say Carburano and u talk about jealousy, WOW!!!!

I can ask ow much the percentage that you take yourself from Rutty is
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
OMG calm down guys!

Who are you that you think you may accuse others only because of vague rumours and things you heard from others you are not at all more trustworthy than the ones you accuse?

Let those who are able to investigate what's really going on do their job and if you don't have anything to contribute other than accusation and offense, then just shut up!

Of course not sharing is harmful to the community, but spreading rumours and accusation is just as bad.

Of course it's a pity that Dutty's sources were not shared with all the other excellent cooks in this community.

But Dutty has done great work, not only with his latest ROM, but with all the contribution he has brought to the community over the last several years.

Of course you may complain that the sources have not been shared, but you don't have the right to insult someone when you don't even know if he's the one who deserves your complaints.

I want to thank Dutty for the great work he has done!

I also want to ask Dutty for more information/ clarification.

Moreover, I want to ask everyone who has nothing to contribute to shut up!

I ask all those who are able to investigate the things that happened do do so.

And last but not least I want all those who were involved in the things that happened, whether by paying someone for keeping the sources closed, by accusing someone without evidence, by deleting threads for whatever reasons and by insulting others for whatever reasons, to speak to each other, clarify and apologise for what has happened.

Please.

Bring brack the spirit of XDA-developers, work together and respect each other.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
dutty as a chef you are one of the best but as a mod all your credibility has gone in the eyes of a lot of people, why dont you do what is right here and step aside and all this crap will go away and we can get back to doing what we all love which is sharing and making XDA and our phones better.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] batista70:
@maati : who are you to shut up people ???
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
Ohhhh finally!!! My same thoughts... QUOTE
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
My dear friend, moralism is everywhere
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] maati:
One of the last reasonable users in this forum where everyone else is going crazy?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] batista70:
I trust in the good faith of Admin and other Mods but i trust also in a fast solution.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dazza9075:
Actually, the site was messed up a long time ago, its nothing against one individual, I happen to like His ROMS, they work great and suit me just fine.

I generally believe mods on this site have been given too much rope, again this is not the mods fault, also, some mods have let the power go to their heads, BUT this is not Duttys fault, he does what he does, if you dont like it dont donate or download, its quite simple.

This site i believe has lost its way, its become a massive site maybe too big?, i remember when we had bandwidth issues with only a few devices, people did things for free, in the name of the community, the day someone charged for something on this site was the day the rot set in, the day a user "expected" to be given everything for nothing and then slag off other valued contributing members was the day petrol was poured on the fire.

no one person is at fault, no one is forcing you to pay anything, to read anything or download anything, so if you dont like it then dont do it, i do believe that someone needs to be visiblely directing this site and its mods however and im not just talking about this one incident.

anyhow, congrats on the new (to be) family Dutty, hope it all goes well, im expecting my second son a couple of months later and im sure we will both be kissing our play time good bye!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
QUOTE, tell us the truth and all this will STOP!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] batista70:
What do you mean ???

The other users are not reasonables ???

Why ??

Only 'cause we want to know the truth ???
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
I think he should at least get the respect to hear the outcome of the whole situation as we are still looking into it before people decide whether or not he should be a mod, all there is now are accusations which haven't been proven yet.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
QUOTE TOO!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
come on dutty you know that deleteing that thread was worng, and that caused all this as it looked like you where hiding some thing.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] domenic79:
I don't understand because need time, time to do what, is so clear!!!!!!!!!!!!! At least that you don't want to make to grow the doubt that the "rotten" it is not only some single
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] constablechris:
Hopefully this wont affect the release of the 1.9 ROM that fixes the timebomb!

Edit: Disregard, just read the latest posts in his ROM thread.

I have a hard time keeping up with all the postings in these forums... I go for an hour and there's another 10 pages added!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jeppson:
Yes! quote
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
no don't worry he needs your new donations for removing timebomb!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aeacus:
If you are in a forum where everyone is going crazy, then what are you still doing here?

You insult a lot of people by saying that...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
autocensored!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] KChauJen:
Dear Flar,

I'm really happy that You're still here, and please, during your investigation of this problem, I think, all the people whoever has the power involved in this matter (abusing or not) should be removed. If not, this thread will be closed or some of our members raising the voice could be banned.

Please consider and do as quick as You can.

We're waiting for You and your result.

Thanks You,

KCJ
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
Yes... if Dutty will be permanently banned I will be happy to be banned with him.. atleast other cooks will operate without protectionism...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
Cobbs,

Please stop attacking dutty, there is no reason for it.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Warjcowski:
LOUD NOISES!!!!

Let's not forget that this is a community of people (dare I say friends??) who, for the most part, do this for fun. The tone of XDA has changed in the last few days. I too feel cheated, but I will feel robbed if nothing is learned and valuable contributors are lost.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] vasil:
GUYS!!!! COME ON!!!! SWITCH YOUR BRAINS ON!!!

What sharing? What Paying?

So you realy think this guy had access to New Machines??? I was playing with Diamond 2 for half an hour and 15 minutes with Pro 2. So what??? Any one visiting MWC in Bracelona had a chance to do so. Yes - distributors have this machines. Couple of Topaz devices are in UK, plus there should be one Rhodium. But there's no device in a wild... Apart from a stolen one!!!

And one more thing!!!! Windows Mobile 6.5 Topaz was only in Microsoft Hands!!! All HTC company devices where 6.1!!! So I really doubt that the stolen one was 6.5!

Please stop pretending to be IDIOTS!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
I'm not planning on banning anyone pending the outcome of this. i really don't see a reason for it.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
Closing thread is normal for a mod.... deleting thread no... but for you this is not a proof
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
Fortunately you are a genius and have written a bunch of idiot things... No one of your words fill the discussion
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tjex:
Wow, there are quite a few sour grapes on this thread. If Dutty can't share, then so be it! Go find the ROM dump yourself or wait a few months until the units are more widely available.

Dutty, come over to the Xperia forum, we'll treat you with more respect over there :p

Oh and @carburano, we get it already, you're not happy! Your really don't need to post more than once.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] vasil:
What? :) just don't cook if you don't want to
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] yardie.spike:
What the f***

I have been away from XDA for a while, and quite frankly after reading a few threads here, i should have stayed away! This is supposed to be an XDA development site not a child developmental site:(

Why are a minority of jealous chefs being allowed to gang up on one, posting PM's .....what is that about!!!in the real world this would be bullying, and would be stopped sharpish. This pointless bickering is filling up severspace and stopping genuine development which is what this is about. Dutty CAN'T share the ROM. HTC have a copy of it, so why don't the chefs try hassling them!

MODS.....Why aren't these threads getting closed, they are counterproductive and pathetic, lets get back to developing.

The rest of the children(the few who know who they are) need to grow up.

Dutty can't give you the ROM/OEM's, get over it, if you want to leave, then leave. Just stop the bickering!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] aeacus:
I couldn't agree more.. This one is completely off topic..
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
deleting a closed thread is not proof for your theory that dutty has anything to do with roms not being released here. and if no-one can prove to me that dutty has anything to do with it i won't take action against him.

it's the same like me saying that you prevented the release of a rom and you should be perm banned from the forum for it, whilst there is no proof for it. you wouldn't accept that situation!

I can't go about resigning moderators for rumors.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
how much you donate?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] carburano:
English: Hai scritto un sacco di cazzate.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bram_smulders:
Trhough here i want to apologise myself to dutty's and everyone i offended by my posting abbout this issue...

Dutty has done nothing wrong, an all speculations rely on one stupid pm session, that someone could make up easy.

Take my hands off this.

Gr Bram
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] eaglesteve:
I try not to be involved in this discussion, but because I followed every single post in that thread, I must say that the number of donation there is not what you imply it is.

Frankly, I do not think Dutty does this money. Why would he pay a larger sum of money (I assume whoever paid that xxxx would have to give a decently large amount for the bribe to work) in order to get a smaller amount?

Similary I do not think most of the other cooks are doing it for money either. I spend lots of time on this forum because it is like a hobby, its fun, although it takes up so much of my time. The toy itself costs lots of money, but we still do it. It is far easier for me to believe that most cooks here are just being addicted like me to this forum and community and not doing it because of money.

This community is better than facebook and myplace. I hope this community spirit can continue.

Yes, I love it when people share things with me. However, there are other good principles in life, one of which is to keep our promises. If I give you something on a strict condition that you will not spread it around, otherwise our friendship is gone, will you first pretend to agree to the promise and let it spread? Or will you keep your promise to me? If somehow it manage to spread, will I be upset if you do not do all you can to stop it spreading? I think I will be. That's the other side of the coin that I feel we have to look at.

Really, I think there are a lot more you guys have in common than differences. All of you are making great contribution to this community and great blessing to users like me. I really hope all the rift will heal, though it is difficult. Often the impact of harsh words last for a long long time in life, but I hope at least we try, for the sake of this community.

I hope I'm not adding fuel to the fire by this. Just hope things get normalised quickly once again.

Love all the cooks here.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] davideuck:
Oh, so we are all children, thanks dad to remember to us!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] speed200:
STOP attacking etch other guys and lets give some time.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Noonski:
As a Moderator i am overstepping a clear request by my Admin.

But if users start demanding Dutty to Step of that is the end of the line for me.

Please read my "Personal" post here:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3380790&postcount=8

At the moment i'm reading a lot of posts that make me feel ashamed of being a part of XDA. And that is saying a lot as it's been my almost twentyforseven home for the last two years. And have been a regular member since 2005 (and before even on SPV-developers)

Please, Please Pretty Please with a cherry on top, stop.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] l3v5y:
As a visitor to this site, I do a few things:

Cook

I have been cooking ROMs since I first discovered this site, admittedly they were rubbish, but I've learnt from the masters to work with what I have, not what someone else has. I don't go storming off 'cause I don't have a ROM that hasn't be released for a device that is months from the shelves. Sure, it'd be nice to get TF3D ported and in landscape, but why not cook ROMs better with what we've got?

That deals with one of my issues, the other is donations. Yes, people (including me) have "donate" links plastered everywhere, but the sum total of that for me so far is $30. I'm not bitter about it, I'm not here to make money, I'm here to make the most of my device, and help others to do the same. Maybe Dutty gets more donations, but look at his past! He's always been helpful, released countless ROMs, and been a great moderator, he deserves every penny he gets and a lot of respect! Maybe Dutty getting a new ROM gets him some donations, but who cares? Maybe if you spent time improving things rather than throwing hissy fits you'd get some cash out of it.

As a user

This site is to me one of the greatest resources out there (sorry, google and wikipedia are just a little bit further up my list :D), why should it be ruined by one ROM, and one disgruntled chef? What makes this site so great is the community, and part of that community is living with things that don't happen exactly as you want. This may be the 'net, but it's still part of the real world.

As a mod

We try and do the best for this site, but we can't do it alone. As far as I remember, I received no reported posts, no emails, one PM after things kicked off and no messages on MSN/AIM/whatever. I had to go looking before I found things. If it's that big an issue, report it, we are here for a reason, to deal with things so you don't have to.

At the moment there seems to be no concrete evidence bar a thread that was requested to be deleted and so was. That's not an abuse of power, that's doing our job. Maybe things have happened behind closed doors, but until we have enough evidence to deal with things appropriately, we won't jump to conclusions.

Now, comments about events are one thing, but personal attacks are another. Along with warez and spam, it's one of the things you will get banned for. There's no need to slag people off ever. Just don't do it.

On a final note, the people quitting XDA for whatever reason will almost certainly do more harm by leaving than by staying and helping. You're judged on your actions, and complaining isn't a great one to go out with.

PS: Sorry for any spelling mistakes etc, but lack of sleep, coffee and typing on a SIP aren't conducive to English.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] SatScan:
Fair Playingfield needed

Hoi Admin,

All what we need is a fair playingfield for all Cookers/Programmers etc.

And that what's hurt the most overhere... they feeling; there is no fair playingfield!

Grtz,
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ClownShoes:
Dude!! Kind of overstepping the mark there mate! That's actually very offensive!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tjex:
What has donating got to do anything with this? You're acting like a kid on a tantrum with all your posts.

Dutty has done more this community that most of us including you. He deserves the respect.

This is getting looked into, more complaining isn't going to speed things up. And I'm still saying if he can't release, he can't release. Go find a copy yourself and stop crying/whining/threatening/bullying/complaining about it. It does not good, it wont change things and it make everyone cranky.

'Nuff said
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] robt2379:
carburano

In the early stages of this dispute, you and your friends had my sympathy. You should be aware that your incessant sniping at a highly respected member of this forum is now loosing you any credibility.

You have driven dutty from the forum which may bring you personal satisfaction but I can assure you it hasnt made me as an ordinary member happy at all.

Please just resist the temptation to say anymore on the subject before you and your colleagues bring the whole community to its knees.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] yardie.spike:
Not all, just a very small minority, Dutty has provided all blackstone users with a great Rom, he is now giving you another great rom. You should be grateful and understand that Dutty has shared, more than most, on XDA.

GET BACK TO DEVELOPING
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] eaglesteve:
It is quite normal for posts to be deleted in other forum. I remember a friend posting lots of stuff on the Tibet issues to one of the most respectable news forums, and becaus he was not pro-tibetan, most of his posts were deleted by the so-called free speech organisation.

Dutty has deleted almost all the complementary posts which praise his v1.8 ROM, I estimated there were at least 20 pages of such posts he deleted just before his release. I think he did it to cut down the number of posts peple have to read through as those are nice but useless posts.