yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] bootleg16:
omg im desperately waiting for this and the citrus theme
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] dhavalg:
sweeeeeeet
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] bfreexxx:
Any idea when you're gonna have this theme completed? Is it already completed? Been waiting a while, now it'll have to be ported to 1.5 build.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Well as many of you know I have 2 HTC HD'S and I do a lot of testing on cooked ROM's. Actually I usually flash each device 1-3 times a day. One of the things I noticed is there is a lot of questions in the ROM threads about problems with exchange server, activesync, GPS, bletooth etc which while they are part of the device but may not be due to ROM issues. I also see many new members overwhelmed at the list of new ROM's and trying to decide what to flash. So I have a idea which I think would be good for the community and to the cooks. Why do I spend so much time testing ROM'S? Well I'm Partially Retired from Engineering background and I love my gadgets. I live in Thailand (LOS) and run a small restaurant but I still like to be active with electronics and my gadgets. But most of all I like to share and hopefully be of help to someone.

A repository of all my testing on all the ROM's, and or by any cooks request. I use a very strict and standard set of guidelines to test all ROM's the same every time and equally as to get the best evaluation. The repository would also include detailed information on each ROM such as version numbers of ROM and programs etc, as to let people know what is inside the ROM. Also in the repository would be all of my testing methods and specific test I run on each ROM. All benchmark test and performance test will be calculated by an average of 3-5 tests for more accuracy. For ROM's that don't have specific features it will be indicated in N/A. I would also take request for specific testing on a specific ROM, by members and by cooks.

I have tested so many ROM's and I feel I have wasted much of my time as I can't share and inform people as I would like, in fear that people would think I'm being subjective to one or more persons ROM. So this would be a way for me to share all of my work to the community and it would be a good reference source for cooks to check on other ROMs without having to actually flash every one to see what is inside and what bugs are there.

Now my question to the members would you value such a source?

EDIT: Well after 2 weeks of insane searching and testing I have decided to Cancel the idea above. The big problem being with all the testing tools I bought and tried most of the differences between all ROM's are very small. There are some differences but to the average person looking at the results is just confusing.

The second thing is I have tried every way to build a report database of information but again it just doesn't work without being subjective.

The only part of this which was still worthy was the full list of what is included in each ROM. a Detailed list of all programs and versions and build numbers. Unfortunately this is not enough information alone.

I will still continue to do beta testing and I can do a detailed test upon request.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Dizzle:
Good Idea

I think this would be quite useful although how a person finds a rom is quite subjective. I suppose if your listing the haves and have nots then the user can do with the information what they wish.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] naqvi514:
Great Idea
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ~~Tito~~:
Hey wanna partner up to help make the blackstone cooked rom list better? :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Yes exactly, this is why I will have a very structured list of observation, test results, and general facts. I will want to refrain from making personal opinions as this is then subjective. For example one of the observations might be " Scroll smoothness 1-10 with 10 being the smoothest" I will also welcome a list of things from cooks as they feel would be important observations or test if I miss something.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pzucchel:
...having an objective reference is always very useful, also for those that believe that there are many subjective elements to choose a ROM. It is a very challenging activity, and in my opinion it implies a lot of time investment to be done correctly. However, it is indeed "one of the greated ideas i've heard of".
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mndgz:
brilliant, I take my hat off to people who can find time in their day to do this kind of thing.

Just dont forget to include which 3rd party apps would be used if any.

Thanks!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Ok Thanks, waiting a few days to see response and word from admin/mod
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tkalli:
I think it is an excellent idea.

It would certainly answer a lot of questions before they are asked.

So many ROM's, so little time.

:)

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[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kille9:
I think this is a wonderful ide.

I myself have problem to deciede wich of...probably 3 ROM I will use.

A list of have/have not comes very handy, and helps me decide which I will choose.

Just a question...

which is the best between, duttys 2.1 Extrem ROM, L26_THDV8.0_WWE Ultimate and Davideuck_V-2_HP,OS 5.2.21028?

This are the ones I choose from...and I can't decide wich is the best.

Another question...Is Rhodium good? Useful? Run smooth on HD.

I've seen some issuse with the home button, anything you have notice with Rhodium?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] miniterror:
i agree with this because much 3rd party apps scramble up the rom but do you have time to test al party apps or maybe help from users wich work and wich not and keep it updated
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
To start I will test and report on Device functionality and software included in the ROM. If I have time I may take on more test as a separate individual request. This keeps the data I provide close to the same for every ROM.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] mndgz:
having said that there's only a handful of 3rd party apps that actually change or modify system files / settings and therefor are worth mentioning, I personally only use PhoneAlarm out of such...the likes of Resco Explorer I was using since the days of HTC Wizard and it never did any harm to any ROM :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] jonajuna:
i agree that a factual objective measurement of each roms +/- qualities would be useful.

if you have the time and inclination to do such a thing, then do it :)

if the mod/admin team dont want to sticky it, why not create your own website with the info and link it in your sig? id happily link in mine also :)

although, L26 is still the best (in my subjective opinion :P )

good luck
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kille9:
Hi!

You said that L26 is the best in your opinion, have you tried Dutty Extreme or Davideuck_V-2?

I'm a bit torned between these three ROMs. I have only tried Duttys Extreme 2.1. These three seems to be the most popular ROMS, thats why I choose between these.

It wolud be very helpful if anyone who has tried these three to give me his/hers view of it.

Davideuck_V-2 seems good and also the new L26 V9.0 seems to be good.

The new Dutty Extreme 2.2 i comming, but nobody knows when. But this version (I think) will not have the new Rhodium

What is the differens between Rhodium and the old one?

Is it only the new start menu? Why should I take a ROM with Rhodium?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Please what you are asking me to do is exactly what I don't want to do. Give a subjective opinion. Yes I have tried all of them more than once. Give me some time and I want to put in place detailed information for all ROM's that way you can see what fits your needs and make your choices. I like all the ROMs but for me to single one out is being subjective and this I will not do.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Major_Sarcasm:
This is an excellent idea.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] kille9:
Thats ok!

I think many of us is eager to find out what you know about the diffrent ROMs.

There are many ROMs out there. And every ROMs is improving with every release. It's hard to keep up which to choose.

And it also looking that every one is on the verge to release a new version this couple of days. So I think we all need your knowlege ASAP.

So please start the thread soon.

Thanx for the iniative!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] SlyTuk:
Review template ?

Stats are good but as others have said, they can be subjective.

If each user filled in a form (online) where there were categories such as user type, main use for phone, technical aptitude, and then ratings for different categories, it would be possible to extract meaningful results.

For example

User type [professional] [casual user] [gadget freak]

Main use for phone [surfing] [work] [as a phone] [showing off]

Technical aptitude [n00b] [can follow instructions] [program for fun] [professional coder]

Graphics Performance [rating out of 100]

Ease of use [rating out of 100]

Responsiveness [rating out of 100]

Battery Life [rating out of 100]

Desirability [rating out of 100]

Appearance [rating out of 100]

You get the idea. New users and existing users could search these results based on their own priorities, worthy roms could then be chosen etc.

Just my 0.02

SlyT
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] andy2111:
What an excellent idea, I'd really appreciate an imparital viewpoint on the different ROMs
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dazza9075:
here we go again, I’m totally up for this kind of thing, but it is impossible to do this on a factual basis, using your examples, 1-10 on smoothness is 100% subjective I personally don’t believe perfect is possible so i instantly rule out 10 making my "highest" a 9 to your 10.

There are three factors here

1, review ROM based on ROM benchmarks, this provides little to no difference to the end user in terms of experience from one ROM to the next

2, script a set of real world tests, these become instantly useless the moment you install a program or two or soft reset your device

3, review ROM based on usability and content, this is impossible since it’s subjective in any way you look at it.

the fact is you can’t compare anything unless you have a set of criteria that will inevitably be subjective because the only tests that are factual make no difference to a real world usage, partly because there isnt a single real world usage that suits everyone

Im not getting at you, its a good idea, but with this (in my opinion) stupid idea of banning opinion based reviews placed appon us by our mods to make sure other members of this community dont get their feelings hurt, with this, your not going to get anywhere.

Which is a shame. read here for a similar convo....

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=490241&page=3
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
The 1-10 was only an example it could be 1-100 and your right this part of the information is the only variable where I have to use my judgment and it is the only place I will. The main difference what I will be doing from the other thread you mentioned is my thread or repository is not based on just test or benchmarks. You will be able to get factual information about each ROM, such as build #'s, which programs are included in detail with there version numbers etc. What features are included, New keyboard, phone canvas, new calculator etc.

For some user groups the benchmarks and test may be useful even if the differences may be small. For General an novice users they are more interested in what is inside the ROM and which programs are installed.

My goal is not to cause any hard feelings which is why I will upon request of any cook review again or change any thing which is brought to my attention which may be in error. I will also at any cooks request remove their ROM. This is meant to be a resource to help, not to hurt anyone.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dazza9075:
i wish you good luck in your quest, you might want to consider a spredsheet that others can help you with the factual elements of your roundup, their are simply too many ROMs to do everything with for any meaningful amount of time, that would leave you available to carry out the subjective elements to maintain a level of consistancy
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bjcrown:
I used to own a HERMES phone and found the benchmarks listed in the link below to be very useful for ROM's on HERMES phones. Maybe you can use this as a guide on what to test....

Good Luck...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=419530

And another link:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=320370
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] barbapappa_86:
I am currently running Davideuck_V-2_HP. The big diffrent between these ROMs is that Duttys is a thopaz and L26 is based on Rhodium. I havent tried Duttys but L26´s ROM is really really good and Davideucks is even better in my opinion :). L26 is releasing 9.0 this afternoon so i will give it a go soon :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Black Antitoon:
This is funny... that's not such an original idea, holding a repository, list or whatsoever of ROMs is not so weird... but nobody thought about that before, and now that you popped up with this simple idea everybody is voting "Great". I also did. :)

(I hope I have been clear enough, this is not a criticism at all, just a consideration ;) )

Well, I think that the feedback is good enough for starting. :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Thank You for the information it will be very useful.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Thank You to all the people who voted in this Poll. I will be starting a new Thread in the days coming and will start posting the results as I have them.

PS. If anyone has a exchange server they could setup a test account on that I could use for testing exchange server activesync it would be a big help.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
:DThis is a PM i sent to Mrvanx regarding this a month or so ago.

'Hi mrvanx

Sorry to bother you but could do with your advice regarding starting a thread /wiki post for the many roms on the HD. I know there is a thread for 'rom of the month'. The problem is people have different views on roms relative to what they want from a rom. I want to create a thread where it is all objective and gives a true idea of a roms character, pros and cons.

I think this could be achieved by listing each completed rom. There will be for instance 5 catagories to mark each rom on eg, Speed, stability, media apps, business apps etc. (i'm sure there are other usefull catagories we could add.) If someone has used a rom they can then score the rom on each catagory out of 5.

This enable objective scoring of roms where people can see the strengths of the roms omitting bias. Rom threads get sooo long and contain so much contradictory information and there are many people like myself who simply don't have the time to go through every thread and flash every rom.

I wouldn't have a clue how to develope this sort of thread though. Is it possible?'

Unfortunatly no help came, not even a PM back.

I still think this is the way to go though.

Cheers DB
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Well I think part of the problem is the testing or information etc etc need to be done by one person not many different individuals as then you create a even more subjective variable as 20 people don't all have the same experiences and views.

I'm going to model this thread after one which was done and successful for the Hermes. The main difference is mine will have more general information about the ROM and more in depth testing.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ~~Tito~~:
We should develop a non biased score that doesn't make it seem harsh when a ROM has a low score. Like if you are a new cook there would be a different score for you, and if you where a well known cook and you are known for quality ROMs then the score would be different as well. Like 3 versions of a score, Beginner, advanced, and Expert. Like if you are the best for you beginner group then the ROM would have a higher score ect. . .

I could make such a score but I don't have time right now.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] bobsbbq:
Idea CANCELED

EDIT: Well after 2 weeks of insane searching and testing I have decided to Cancel the idea above. The big problem being with all the testing tools I bought and tried most of the differences between all ROM's are very small. There are some differences but to the average person looking at the results is just confusing.

The second thing is I have tried every way to build a report database of information but again it just doesn't work without being subjective.

The only part of this which was still worthy was the full list of what is included in each ROM. a Detailed list of all programs and versions and build numbers. Unfortunately this is not enough information alone.

I will still continue to do beta testing and I can do a detailed test upon request.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] stephencwl:
I would say may be we could set up a page tracing simply the following:

1) The no. of times a cooked ROM is downloaded.

2) The no. of times a cooked ROM is flashed.

3) The average time (may be in hours) a user sticked to that cooked ROM after flashing.

These are simple quantitative statistics from which any flasher can interpret the "popolarity" of the ROMs. Other subjective/qualitative comments are excluded.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] LlamaLord:
Alright i wll be getting my Raphael in the mail soon so i want to know what is a ROM and Radio for this phone??? I like Fast but yet Fancie lol = D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mr.jaguar:
the best way to find out is to try them yourself. I've had good luck with the RRE series of roms, and aruppenthal is quick to resolve issues, or pretty much anything.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kchoop:
i've personally tried elite romeos and rre

romeos had horrifying battery life and was not fast

elite was generally mediocre (I tried this when i first got the fuze the week it came out)

RRE seems fast + stable since I installed it 2 days ago
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] scotchua:
There are lots of good fast roms, try reading the first couple posts of each rom and seeing which one sounds as thought it meets your needs. If you don't like it, then try another one. As is don't with all "best/fastest/coolest roms" threads, this one is closed.
[Touch CDMA General] ahsyon:
How deletes the telephone conversation record ？use mtty？:confused:
[Touch CDMA General] Spyderekz:
i dont understand this! sorry
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] phryedrice:
does anyone have a ucla theme for M2D? ive searched but i cant find anything. appreciate the help =)
[General Questions and Answers] Wireless Buddy:
Is there a program out there that simulates a 56k modem on a Windows Mobile device so that I can connect to the internet using my dialup ISP credentials? If not, how hard would it be to make one? Any other ways to get dial up working on Windows Mobile? I do not have a data plan and would like Internet on my phone.
[General Questions and Answers] Rudegar:
problem is that gsm devices can't connect to an old analog isp modem connection

back before gprs

the phone company's sold special gsm internet connections so phones which supported it

could be used as modems my old motorola 930 supported that but those

gsm data internet subscriptions were expensive both for having and using
[General Questions and Answers] josefcrist:
hmm would there be a round about way to do it? like dial a traditional phone from your cell phone witch inturn dials dialup internet. i have wanted something like this before too.
[General Questions and Answers] Wireless Buddy:
My phone is Verizon (CDMA), not GSM. Don't know if that makes a difference.
[General Questions and Answers] Wireless Buddy:
Yes, that is what I am looking for. The problem is not the phone, it's that there is no modem in a WM phone. This is what I am looking for; A little program that sort of emulates a physical 56k modem.
[General Questions and Answers] Rudegar:
when connected to activesync or PAN your phone will have the same network connection as your pc unless you have blocked it

so you can get internet that way

but there is no way that a program can make it possible for you to put in your nomal analog modem connections phone nr and settings and connect that way

programs run inside the operating system and access the network by using the gsm phone module so a program can bypass the gsm system
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] RandumAccess:
Ask How to get theme

"I'm Tony Montana! You f**k with me, you fu**in' with the best!"

:eek:

http://www.mediafire.com/?mk2zozmmlwn
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] 313:
that will appeal to the rapper in everyone
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] carmy:
haha. a lil tony in everyone. i <3 the clock
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Beast84:
Only the greatest movie EVER!!! Damn that looks sick
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] robpet2:
nice theme... will have to try this one out
[G1 Android Development] bladepbc:
ok so im noobish and before anyone rips me apart for even asking i did look it up and still dont understand...i have never used(or heard of) Debian but i see alot of pople talking bout running in on the g1 along side android..and im just wondering what kind benefiets is there to it.abd yea i kno im gonna get some greif for this but be gentel (ive seen dumber posts...ps2 emu..lol)

thanks in advance for not ripping me apart
[G1 Android Development] bladepbc:
hey i tried to PM you and says u have choosen to not recieve PMs...
[G1 Android Development] deprecate:
I've noticed quite a few people have issues with the current debian how-to so perhaps since you are offering to help people over pm, you could draft up a friendly how-to to save yourself the onslaught of private messages :)

I know I would appreciate it as I would love a place to point co-workers/friends to for guidance instead of me just doing it for them...
[G1 Android Development] Nismo300zx:
resize debian image on windows

ive been researching this topic for some time now and have successfully installed the 750mb image but i cant seem to find any information on resizing the image on windows xp as i have only found information on resizing in linux.

also what additional programs can u install and run to utilize the debian os?
[G1 Android Development] 4u2nv68:
http://www.androidfanatic.com/cms/community-forums.html?func=view&catid=9&id=2248

there is an installer for debian. works great and easy. I really need somebody to make a working 1.5gig image. this would be greatly apreciated.
[G1 Android Development] Obsidiandesire:
I recommend downloading (it's free) a ubuntu or kubuntu CD, these are the most popular linux distros that require basically no knowlage of linux or computers to run. My Grandma uses this and my grandad an avid windows fan for 10 years is considering switching. You could also dual boot (Windows + Ubuntu choice at startup) or use a virtual PC, though i personally don't like them.

Then you can follow the instructions to resize, I doubt there's a way to do it on windows and I find faffing around in windows command line harder than bash (linux command line).

as far as running it on your phone. There's a fair amount doable in command line if you get confident at that. Run it as a webserver, convert files to a format that android can run etc.

Also there's a large amount you can do with a window manager, although that's limited to the g1's fairly bad specs (most applications are designed for fast processors aka computers + Laptops)

Has anyone tried VLC yet?
[G1 Android Development] Nismo300zx:
i second this..if anybody has a larger image than the regular 750mb can u please upload it or message me thanks