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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] adeltaY:
Yeah, not much difference. Most likely, as has been said, HTC is aiming this at new users, not users coming from the old TP. There were cooler phones unveiled at MWC 09, like the Idou, that will most likely be my next phone after the Fuze.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] gobmonster:
I wouldve been :mad: at HTC for churning out another phone from there pseudo upgrade machine, but i cant be happier!

This phone isnt an upgrade to me at all. I formerly had the 6800 before getting my touch pro. It suffered from constant memory errors, sluggish performance, no drivers whatsoever (tho tp still lacks many useable ones), lower screen res, bulky size, terrible camera, etc. the list goes on.

If i got the TP2, i could only look forward to tilting it and a larger screen, but the same problems i currently have with my TP1 minus the flash (which i use for a flash light in my room often). Unless HTC has worked magic with the drivers and this phone is uber responsive (by leaps and bounds), my touch pro stays.

With snapdragon being out, and many other companies looking past qualcomms basic chips or just over them completely, im sure that i'll find something better than this, so once again, i couldnt be happier!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Lord_BlackAdder:
TP is 165 gram while TP 2 is 175 gram. However, TP2 is a bit slimmer than TP so a bit more pocket friendly.

Missing the LED is disappointing though.

I don't mind the camera being 3 MP. Given the small CCD, higher pixel counts would simply add more noise to the photos. And the optics (the little lens) simply wouldn't give you 3MP resolution clarity.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
Have you guys noticed the Zoom in and Zoom out scroll in the front? it looks really interesting.

I have to admit, the more I look at it, the more I love it :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
Yes everybody noticed because it is even mentioned in the characteristics.

Stupid idea if you ask me. Why didn't they just make it round so that it doesn't have a start and an end and would be easy to program for other purposes? (like my TP "scroller circle")

This device is not for WM fans, it's just another attempt toward "fashion phones" (which I understand is a way bigger market)... He should see it coming...

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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tkima1:
Yeah, only thing; It is able to upgrade to 6.5 free! Our PRO isn't going to be able to upgrade AT ALL!!! :mad:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
it has "almost" the same processor and the exact same RAM, so if the TP couldn't do it, I don't think TP2 can.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
You don't know any of this. You just suppose and hear rumors.

I'm pretty positive that even if HTC doesn't come up with 6.5 for TP, someone in here will do it anyway. :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ilordvader:
Does this phone have a good talk time ?

or does the diamond 2 have better ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Minus-1:
This device can't come out soon enough for me. Will snag one as soon as it's released. I'm using a Diamond now since my TP was destroyed and I miss it something awful.

As for the D-Pad -- honestly, can you even call the thing on the original TP a "D-Pad"? Both the Diamond and TP have almost unusable D-pads (in particular, left and right directionals). Mind you, I'm not the type to play games on my PDAs, so that's not a concern for me. Don't get me wrong -- I'm an avid gamer -- but perhaps that's the very reason why I leave gaming to my gaming devices. :)

P.S. The Qualcomm GPS is a let-down. Even my ASUS P527 has a SIRFStar chip-set! Doh, HTC!

Cheers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ericino:
I'm staying with my TP for the moment (Vario IV).

There are too few improvements for me. Different processor would have been great, and I would want more memory, just for the numbers. I couldn't justify upgrading to something which doesn't have more memory/MHz. Not having a flash and a DPAD make it a step back for me while the bigger screen and tilt make it a step forward..... so 2 steps back, 2 steps forward doesn't do it for me :P

Also, I wonder about the speed because as someone already said, the TP doesn't have speed to spare and a bigger screen will require more processing power.... so in theory wouldn't it be slower?

The WM6.1 isn't much of a problem because I am sure we will see WM7 ROMs when the time comes. After all, who would have thought 2 years ago I could run WM6.5 on my old Artemis? I think HTC devices are best enjoyed by people who want to tinker and modify, not for 'only' users.

I will wait for a TP3 ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] SOULd OUT:
Those who buy the new TP2 will be available for a WinMo 6.5 upgrade as soon as that actually comes out.

Source: Go down to the HTC, which is about three bullets down.

WMC '09

I also cannot believe that they didn't change out the crappy Qualcom chip. There have been all sorts of disappointments with it, and they still kept it in there?!

I do like the new screen size and the confrence calling and stuff like that. So I like the advancements in the TouchFLO department, but apart from a few changes I find nothing to make me switch over...Though it would have been nice to just start with this beautiful device.

I will say one last thing though, it had better not cost more than the TP because there's nothing new internally about the TP2.

Currently I'm waiting for AT&T's to see what they actually keep in the update from HTC.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] WildFireXXI:
I wish HTC would just start putting the scroll wheel back on like they did with the Mogul. I LOVED that and was REALLY disappointed when the TP didn't have one.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ndn715:
thats the reason i still have my kaiser... the d-pad on the TP is worthless. everytime you try and go left or right you hit home or back.

bigger screen is much needed, 2.8 is too small for a touch phone.

i'm waiting for a phone with three things.

capacitive screen (why is this so hard for a winmo device?)

a !@#!# headphone jack!

some kind of graphics acceleration, this is the only reason why an iphone with a 400mhz proc can do what it does...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] The Jack of Clubs:
capacitive screen on windows mobile is pretty much impossible because of legacy. many older apps and even no so older apps are meant to be used with a stylus. windows mobile is full of small elements that cant be easily hit with a finger. like when you try to hit a file in file explorer or an icon in the taskbar. tbf htc does try to make it finger friendly ui replacements but itll never be enough.

palm had this problem and was headed no where until they followed the apple concept of throwing legacy out with the palm pre. old, square res, stylus needy apps dont work anymore. but windows mobile is much more built up and im sure if they made windows mobile 7 and said you couldnt install any of the existing apps you would be crying and begging for resistive screens to come back.

why people who invented touch screens never figured out that people would want to use their finger to touch the screen until june 2007 beats me.

i think htc is too proud to use something other than extusb for audio. i would love nothing more than to drill a hole on the side of it and wire one in. i dont think theres any justification for that nowadays. :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] ilordvader:
That is so True

Wish they have Better Battery life too

8hrs Talk Time atleast
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] TweakMyDevice:
For me the Fuze is everything I need right now. I love the small size and video output feature, I just need a good BT mouse to use when connected to my Pioneer AVIC. When I upgrade again it will be to a device with a built-in projector and at least 5mp camera.

I would upgrade to the Diamond 2 before the TP2. Yes the TP2 has larger tilting screen, but it's so huge! Same H and W as iPhone but twice as thick. And as it is my wife's iPhone feels massive after holding my Fuze. :rolleyes:

Totally...the scroll wheel was awesome and should be added to the next device lineup.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
I don't know why people keep comparing HTC to iphone. I personally don't like the Iphone at all. It's just too simple (not customizable). But you made a good point here, thedocrn, after holding my Fuze, I try to hold my friend's iphone... and damn it big, I then tried to hold 2 iphone on top of each other to have the same thickness of the TP2, I'm not sure I want it anymore :p

For the price, I think I rather keep my Fuze and buy a small laptop :) (they are like $300 these days)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] behrouz:
I can charge my phone and listen to music at the same time with one wire instead of two. Theres no justification for needing a standard headphone jack :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
ExtUSB is fine. I don't want a phone full of holes.

There are dead-cheapo adapters (like $5) that can give you a nice 3.5" out of the ExtUSB.

ExtUSB can also be used to charge using simple USB cable.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] guilh1:
Hi all,

I am running on MacOSX and I have a prophet.

Unfortunately I input a Kayser rom and now my Prophet does not recognize any touch gestures.

Is it risky to upgrade through a virtual machine?

Thanks for your reply or comments.
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] quattro80:
hi

no its not risky... i also did it on windows 7... i just install xp on my vm from microsoft... and then upgrad my prophet under xp... and its working fine...

greeze..

ps: r u using a mac or just install a mac on a normal pc... if you install it on a pc, can you tell me how to do it?? i want to try it on my old notebook.. thx... :D
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] guilh1:
thanks!

However I am wondering if your reply is good to me...

Your both system are windows...Do you think it changes anything if I am on Mac and open a virtual machine...

I will give it a try, post the result in half an hour...(I hope!)
[JAMin, XDA Neo, S200 ROM Development] wanwarlock:
i couldn't upgrade using vista initially, but after using vmware & installing win xp, it all went ok. done this a lot of time with no problem.

only thing is when you are doing in vm, make sure you are in the vm window while it is upgrading, if you change window back to your osx, the usb connection might be lost & screw the upgrade
[General Topics] davidn:
How to unlock I600!????
[General Questions and Answers] Jvel:
Hey there.

I have one of this.

Its a Dual sim WM6 powered. But it comes in english language. Is there any method to put it in spanish?

And is there any way to backup the rom?

Thanks
[General Questions and Answers] gyorik:
Hi,

Is this work perfect? Both sim card work simultaneously? Sound quality? Please post your experinces with this stuff.

Thanks and best regards,
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] basmareck:
Hi, I am a poker player, play it from www.pokerstars.com, and i am looking for a way to play it from my fuze, or any poker that support a fuze software.

can anybody help?
[Touch 3G General] gpb015:
Hi experts, do you have any config program for the TouchFlo installed in Touch 3G, just like for Diamond TF3D config?

Would appreciate it you can send me the link. Thanks.

Gpb015
[Touch 3G General] sas_sas:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=427392&highlight=manila+2d+customiser
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Sopis:
Hello People

I hope nobody found this yet - don't want to fill the boards with sh*t.

Anyway, I came to this registry key.

If you use the clock to display in your status bar when you have opened some program or etc you can switch it to analog thanks to thi key.

It is:

\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SoftwareMicrosoft\Shell\Analog Clock

Just change the value to 1, reboot and there you go :) Analog clock in status bar...

Hope you like this.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] dado66:
Any pic to show how it looks?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Sopis:
sorry I don't have any screenshot pror installed...

it is just a circle with clock-hands..it is located between the little speaker icon and the X icon... :) imo it looks nice

I have now another problem...I installed pocket digital clock and have problems removing it...it still shows in the remove programs list but it is uninstalled...and when I click remove it just shows that spinning 4color wheel of death....sigh...

What should I doooo?

Ow and back to clock, try it, htere is no way you can harm your device...it is internal from microsoft...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] dado66:
try re-installing the soft and then uninstall again.

Otherwise hard reset.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Sopis:
I alreeady tried so many things...geeez...thanks for help tho..
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] athanaso77:
No need for doing all that. Tap and hold on top bar clock and on the pop-up menu choose Digital or Analog!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Sopis:
:D

Thanks dude..i didnt know that :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] carlowise:
analog clock

u yust in clock options switch to clock stay in all programs on top, and then keep stylus on digital clock, then menu will apear and ask to swich beetween analog or digital.

no need to go to registry
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] rasco11:
Hmm, I've one question (dying for this:D) which is somehow related....

How to get ANALOG clock instead of the original touchflo flip clock on the home tab??

p/s: I've background4all by mun_rus and I can't install any other analog cab that mess around with manila files as they've already been modified :(

I like android's style of placing an analog clock in the center of the phone.

Please help me.......................thanks!!!
[General Topics] akeer:
hi,

PLEASE, is there any hope to recover SMSs from "bricked" wm phone? specifically samsung i780. it cannot get past the samsung logo screen during boot. i have "killed" it with the help of ReaVGA. not even windows logo shows up

i really dont want to loose some of them. any way to dump the rom and take it from there or boot the phone in some specific mode? please heeelp!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Drewidian:
Ok... I know I'm not one of the elite here, but I've been a PPC Admin creating custom ROMs with kitchens for a number of devices for the last 4-5 years. I love this site and everyone here has done an excellent job developing for our devices, but its time we organize this site to make it easy for noobs to get involved in our world. The big problem I see when I try to help people get into WinMo is that its really hard for them to find the right apps and previews of what is possible to do. The biggest complaint I have from friends who use this site is that there are often different threads for the same app and often they download the older version by mistake. I also see what happens to developers like A_C who have their apps ripped off and sold as a "bundle of freeware apps". Its wrong and I'd hate to see him or any of the other developers not get credit for their hard work.

So here is what I'm proposing... Why don't we create an app store right here where free and for pay apps can conveniently and easily be searched and organized. We could even setup rss feeds for the different applications so people could be notified when a new version or even a update to the thread has occurred. I know Microsoft is coming out with their app store, but come on. when have they gotten anything right for a community at this level of capability right at the start?

Either way.. I think it would be a great idea for us to build this and expand the Win Mo community. Thanks everyone for your hard work.

Feel free to comment.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3it3r:
Using RSS from a new sub-forum that XDA could setup would allow a dev to pull the threads and information. If they're formatted properly before submitted to the App Store forum, the first post in the thread could be App's description and preview including any youtube previews. The second post would have the cab file.

There would also be a string of text in the first post which would define device compatibilities so Raphael users don't try and download Kaiser specific software and vice-versa

A pre-approval process would take place in a seperate forum and PPC veterans and forum senior members could assist in evaluating the posts as well as the software?

I see a more community based solution in this idea. Very nice. BUT.. will it happen? I'm no longer in the programming side of the biz, but if someone could come up with an app that would take the RSS from a forum, I could setup a test forum on a site I run just for proof of concept. Anyone interested?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N!ghty:
Sounds like a great idea! I think a forum isnt the best solution for the matter but at least there would be some kind of order...

(App2Date support for more programs would be helpful then as well)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3it3r:
I only say forum because this database is already in place, easily tweaked (I run a few vBulletin sites so I know how easy it can be) and the authors can update their applications easily without having to reinvent the wheel from the ground up. With the proper required fields we could easily organize everything nicely :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] orb3000:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=488610
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N!ghty:
okay that sounds better.. im not experimenting with forums much :p

is is possible to filter things then? i cant really picture it :confused:

when i look for an app i always download all available of a kind (e.g. 5 minesweeper) and in the end not even 1 works ^^
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Radimus:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=480476

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=436127

why not have 3 more...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] N!ghty:
i think before u can update ur apps u first need 2 download them... and in order to do that u need to find them first and thats what this thread is mainly about

have u ever heard about apple app store? its not about selling devices whatsoever but to FIND SOFTWARE (easily)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] sschrupp:
Yep, there are a few being built already, but maybe a more "Official" one would get more development and community support?

Here's another one too: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=471576

I'd really like to see one of these Appstore ideas to also track UI customizations. I can't tell you the number of hours I've spent reading through hundreds of posts to find the perfect SPB Mobile Shell UI... lol.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3it3r:
I have tried all of the above mentioned 'portals' and I use DeviceUpdate, but it's the same 97 or 98 apps! This would be a direct tie-in to this site. Developers could submit their apps to the community for approval and they'd be moved into the proper section of the app 'vault' and would instantly be available in the Mobile Application which would generate its list via a direct RSS of the App Vault forum..

Why create a new database and userbase when XDA's is already so huge?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] norkoastal:
I second, third and forth this request. XDA dev's deserve a store for app releases and use the forum as a dev/feedback forum.. Vbulletin can only do so much... If revenue sharing is the major hurdle I would hope the webmaster can work out an agreement with the devs who want to submit apps. Another hurdle could potentially be copyright infringements.. Unofficial ROM's and other promoted/sold "clone-apps" could bring unwanted publicity to the site. This simple chaotic forum might be the perfect element to keep XDA under the corporate radar and safe from hungry lawyers. :cool:
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3it3r:
I disagree that 'vbulletin can only do so much'.. XDA-Developers.com even uses a basic 'stock' theme.. this site isn't customized very much and is a very basic implementation of the software. An app on the phones that pull the information from a sub forum of this site could load up previews, videos and the download links. If you want to add in 'dontation' links, that's also possible, but I think that's better left to PCs. :cool:

I agree that staying 'under the radar' is essential, but being able to access all of the software that can greatly improve your device from anywhere at a moments notice is key... I'm currently browsing to a forum on my phone to get a piece of software and it's taking at least 3 minutes to do it when I can get there in less than 10 seconds on the PC.. put this stuff in an app and I won't even need the PC other than to find the dev and discussion threads....

I see vBulletin in a different light from just a chat enabler.. but it might be because I know the back end so well.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] norkoastal:
All valid points, but if the webmaster has no desire to expand this sites complexity, who are we to say add this n that when we are typing on a yellow/brown forum with minimal VB enhancements (no knock to XDA :D).

What I see working is XDA allow a spin-off site which is the visual/functional app paradise we all crave.. The alter ego of Cydia and the evil empire. All discussion/dev related questions feed to their respective XDA threads. XDA mods can then port the data to XDA-apps when they feel the release is deemed safe. Developers who want more press/ad exposure pony up $$, and can then charge for more fully functioning software... I dont think anyone doesn't want an app store, its will you get official XDA muscle behind it?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3it3r:
There's a way to charge for threads, so if people want to sell the apps, they need to buy a premium spot for it on the XDA App listing.. *boom!* XDA is interested!

If a spin-off site is required, then that's cool, I'd be really interested in assisting with it. It would be possible to use the same user database.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Drewidian:
Thanks everyone for opening feedback on this topic. I think we should look further into finding a way to make this happen. Any volunteers? l3it3r and Norkoastal have done a good job in taking the lead on this so far. How do you feel about making it happen Norkoastal andl3it3r's?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] norkoastal:
I would recommend getting some official support from XDA before beginning to compile resources for this effort. I really think there should be input from the owner/mods here who want to see this happen, & also get their take on maintaining the upkeep of this proposed rollout. I would be glad to throw my two pesos in, but wouldn't want to step on any toes or other efforts already in process, namely gecko..
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] joel2009:
I will be releasing a new more complete version of this very soon. Its a freewarepocketpc.net client working off the existing database online.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] l3it3r:
That's sweet! I use fwppc all the time because it's easy to navigate on the phone. I still think that XDA is the #1 name in Windows mobile development and that we could truly shine, but what if we were able to come up with a publicly agreed standard for thread creation down to the descriptions and layouts. Could you tie in an RSS feed from an XDA forum into that?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Drewidian:
That's exactly what I was thinking l3it3r. A standardization for this site that is just setup for apps. If rss feeds were tied into it anyone could build an app that could go out and find the latest updates for their subscribed applications. Noobs wouldn't know about the applications used for downloading apps, but would know generally how to view a web forum. Its all about making it easier for the noobs to get interested in exploring the capabilities of WM and not to intimidate them. A good standardization of the layout would go a long way to expanding the user base and increase interest in our work.

What do you guys think?