yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Flar has said that she will close down the thread when everybody has had the chance to voice their opinion.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] BadCluster:
Sharlock Holmes tells:

1) when a thing happens it's normal.

2) when that thing happens two time it's a coincidence.

3) when the same thing happens three time it's an evidence.

I don't want tell Dutty is guilty but the "logical think" can leads to thinking that, becuase

1) he is the only one who have that rom

2) he have encrypt the rom for not sharing it

3) he have delete the topic about the rom

4) someone here have report one persone have pay for not sharing this rom

5) the only person who can gain popularity and donation is him, becuase no one can compete with him withouth this rom.

Now looking there isn't a hard evicedence, but a lot of coincidence, I think it's normal have some dubt.

that's all, for me it's ok... I want only report to you the thinking of a lot people...

have a nice day!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Yes, as far as I know. Also XDA would be without this ROM, apps, OEM packages, if it wasn't for him remind you.

He does that with every ROM as some other chefs do as well that is there prerogative.

The original poster asked him to delete the thread.

Once again this is all hearsay. No actual proof has been brought forth to substantiate this.

I don't know what you mean by this. If dutty makes a ROM for HD and HD only, how would this affect chefs with other devices? I fail to see how this is hurting them. Once again this boils down to money. If people are making ROMs for the sole purpose of making money then they should leave XDA, cause as it has been talked about, that is not what the "spirit" of XDA is all about.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] RobRedbeard:
I agree, esp. with regard to the sharing principle

It is absolutely unacceptable for any members of this community to discredit a person because they will not share something when their source (very possibly someone who's real-life job is connected with our devices) has ask them not to.

We should be happy that we have the opportunity to do this (flash roms). It's not a right.

If us sharing ROMs cost one man or woman his or her job, there would be no benefit to sharing. All of our collective tinkering is a hobby. It's fun. However, it's not worth destroying someone's real life. We are not dooms-day anarchists who can act in a "all information should be free regardless of the consequences" manner.

Thank you to those who share.

Thank you to those who can't but at least give us a chance to experience new things.

Rob
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] prpmlp:
A sad Dutty day indeed

Just looked at Dutty's new ROM and read his comments. This is his last ROM on xda (now releasing on his site only).

I must say I am sad that I will not see the Dutty ROM at the top of the page any more. I hope that Dutty allows us to post a new thread saying 'New Dutty ROM 2.0 has been released'.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] P1Tater:
I wouldn't even call it hearsay. Noone provides proof of anything other than the fact that Dutty uses Bepe's kitchen and we all know that. Over 80% of the chef's on XDA use some sort of kitchen that protects their rom. However, the "email" proof is nothing more than some sort of witch hunt without someone coming forth and showing some hard evidence.

LOL, now everyone know's ATW's little secret that he has a crush on me.:p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
I'm really wondering about this:

Although 'intellectual property' rights do NOT extend into the operating system, bios files, manila interface, radio which may or may not be included, I believe I can safely say that a certain combination of features, configuration and enhancements could be considered intellectual property and thus becomes the right of the chef to protect it. I think what is up in the air here is the base rom isn't being shared??? So what? udK didn't share his base rom with the other Polaris chefs when he first came out with manila2d, but a week or two later, most other chefs were cooking it into their roms...

This next point is slightly off topic, or is it ??? If we really need something to ***** about, how about the fact that htc doesn't give us american consumers access to the 3g network? To me, that's a MUCH GREATER infraction on my rights as a consumer!!! I realize not all of you are US consumers, and thus couldn't really care, and I don't blame you, but if the shoe was on the other foot... I've been personally discriminated against because I'm an american, and EVERY PRODUCT htc puts out now INTENTIONALLY has us 3g stripped out. LETS ***** ABOUT THAT!!!!! If it were not for THIS DEVELOPER COMMUNITY, I would have dumped htc A LONG TIME AGO!!!

Dutty,

THANK YOU SO MUCH

for making my device much more pleasurable to use and enjoy!!!

All other chefs,

THANK YOU SO MUCH

for providing your services as well!!! It's a well known fact that that wholesome competition brings about better products and services, and the consumer comes out the winner. I consider myself the winner in all this, because my device is faster, nicer looking and smoothing now than when I bought it. I'm only regretful there has to be a loser this time, and the loser is all of us :( I know feelings have been hurt, but I want you to know that if nothing else, I APPRECIATE your being here. If it were possible to run all roms simultaneously without having to purchase multiple devices, you know I'd have every one of your roms on my HD. I had to choose one, and I did, and it worked, so I kept it... I've read good things about the other hd roms available, and I'm glad they're there! :D

Jesse
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] auss81:
Thank you Flar for clearing! This is I was asking for. Let me say this is a great develop community!

Good work and thank you all :)
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] donbronzi:
I really like this post, it does some up the whole situation and puts it in perspective.

The concern for XDA is that we have lost one of its best chefs in Dutty, is there anyway the mods can convince him to return?

DB
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] tkolev:
I have few thing to say.

First of all - thanks to the Admin for clearing things up.

Second - we as users have the oportunity to choose from many ROMs on this wonderful site. If anyone feels not sharing your work to other cooks who share theirs is not fair, he/she can stop using that ROM and start using another. I did exactly that. Dutty's 1.8 EXTREME was the first ROM I flashed on my device and two days later I flashed another. Dutty may be the greatest cook ever, but I think every one of the cooks has learned from the others. To take the knowledge from others and refuse to share your own... I think we all know what is that called. In my opinion the chefs who discontinued their work until sharing is a policy here are the moral winners of this situation. We bulgarians have a saying that could be translated to something like this: "Do what you have to do, do not care what happens after that" and I think they did what was right. If you drop the morality, you could say we all loose from it, but I know there is something good to be gained. The moral of the story.

Third - the money. I seriously doubt that anyone received money not to share. Think about it. Person A gives the packages to person B and then pays him no to share?!? Come on! The only way this could ever happen is if person A was blackmailing person B and I don't think anyone really believes this happened. As for the threat of loosing your job if you share your work... the moment you release this ROM (protected or not) to the public, you are threatening it. Not the other cooks, not the comunity - you yourself. Unless this was just a big beta test for the developer, but thats too far out.

This is what I think about what had happened few days ago.

P.S. Now something off-topic. SomethingWicked, it is not HTC's fault that the US are not using the frequency spectrum like the other part of the world. Stop feeling discriminated by HTC and start feeling discriminated by FCC and AT&T ;). In your logic the NMT operators (are there any left :confused:) are discriminated because HTC releases products that don't work with their network?
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Caid444:
I don't get it...

I really like sharing. I usually give the biggest piece of cake, or pizza or whatever to the person (or people) I'm around. I like to allow others to play games when they're at my house, even if it means I have to sit there and watch them die again and again and again. But the fact of the matter is, it's something I choose to do. If I were told I had to do this, I'd tell my mother to shut up. Point being, we're not children, and that which we have belongs to us until we decide to give it to someone else.

The fundamental point about this whole arguement is that any rom a cook has, belongs to the cook until they decide to share it. There's no agreement signed into which forces a person to give up their rights of privacy and ownership over something unless they choose.

I'd like to see a new rom as much as anyone else, but I can wait till it's released, and if it isn't released, so be it, there are others... It doesn't belong to anyone else (including me) until it's given by choice... Simple as that.

The dangers of trying to govern the property of others is that those others will go somewhere else where people are more grateful.

What a strange ordeal to even occur...

Caid.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] liamhere:
my last point on this matter.....

has any off the "mob" said sorry to dutty???????

some how.......i think not.

what a great world we live in.

i leave you with that thought.....have a nice weekend.

thank you
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] VizagDude:
I think the guy who started this whole fiasco with the screen print of the PMs exchanged between the guy who supposedly received money not to sare and himself, did apologize to Dutty in his thread. (I could be wrong on who this person is, but someone DID apologize).
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] SomethingWicked:
Its not the fcc. the hd was fcc approved just as the polaris was and the polaris had us 3g capability. perhaps at&t. but at&t can't dictate policy for htc, so no matter how you look at it, htc is intentionally omitting us 3g frequencies from all products they design and manufacture now. what a wonderful world we live in >sigh<
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] zoomee:
Thats exactly what I've been hinting/suggesting for too mate, still no sign of it.

They all know who they are - maybe if we name them in this thread they may be more obliged to be forthcoming......>evul zoomee< :D
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] neonplasma:
Having touble understanding this fuzz about Dutty!? :confused:

He was cought with his pants down, in a months time we have all forgotten about him. Ban and erase all he has written to save time.

Have a nice weekend!

ps sry for my bad english
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] the-equinoxe:
No he wasn't!!

He wasn't cought, because he kept his pants up!.

Some jealous person started a rumor, but he was to big a coward to use his own account (evidence by IP address), so that person used a sock-puppet account to keep his main account "safe".

This rumor started to get his own life, and that was getting into a conspiracy theory.

So lots of accusations have been post because some guy was jealous.

Some accusations where lame, some pathetic, nobody provided actual proof (because there was none).

I am not even pretending that you shouldn't take this personally:

If you believe the accusations: look up this word, it's a good start to learn English.

EqX
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] hotrod101:
To all : These unproven (therefore false) accusations need to stop now.

To Neonplasma : You with your three posts, what kind of contributions have you made to this forum except for trying to keep our members fighting. I have nothing else to say to this because I really don't have anything nice to say about your statement so should just stop typing now.

We don't need anymore fighting here.

Peace
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] cobbs:
Flar has made her decision and we all need to respect what she has said and get on with making XDA great.

Every person has their views and feeling on this matter me included but no matter what we feel or think we all need to respect what Flar has said and keep our views to ourselves.

Flar total respect to you for looking into this matter and your post on this.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] iSlaker:
my suggestions

guys, my input regarding this situation is simple, and even maybe not being too nice with my words, at least i'll try to be honest.

have you noticed how the roms thread list look like? it reminds me of eBay listings. I really want to believe that cooks idea is to explore the software and make themselves and other users happy but that is not what I see.

this forum sometimes looks like a marketplace to me, where you find cooks posting ROMs after ROMs, version numbers increasing at speed of light, more and more features. and this would be absolutely fantastic if, the target was not ask for donations.

it has become a business, a competition. some of them want to be always a step ahead. the ROM that is more popular, the thread with most number of posts because some of them know that the more popular a ROM will be the more donations they will get.

I have some suggestions for this problem.

1) Threads created to release a ROM should follow a standard:

a) no text formatting, at all. nothing that would make it more appealing or visually attractive than any other thread.

b) limited amount of screenshots

c) FULL support from chefs. quick response to all, i mean, absolutely all queries from those who are testing ROMs - as we've seen testers being ignored before, I know repeatitive questions are annoying but it feels good to reply "this was answered before" it's still better than leaving in silence.
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2) Request for donations in signature should not be allowed. Such as PayPal (or similar service) logos with links or messages such as "If you like what I do, consider a donation" or "buy me a beer". Just like there are other parts in this forum, I think mods could easily put all users that would be happy to have donations in a list with their respective links. So, let's say I, downloaded a certain ROM, and I liked it, I will go to that specific page, look for my chefs link and then donate.

I just hate the idea of making changes, mainly because it always seems like we're stopping people from doing things they want to do but some users of this forum HAVE to stop making it their marketplace, and the only way to do that is to stop competition by defining standards/protocols.

sad but absolutely necessary.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] pzucchel:
Hi SlakerBoy,

I respect your opinion but, at the same time, i strongly disagree.

I made ROMS, including public sources for people that like to do it by themselves, and i never asked for donations. Why should i have obligations in support and limits in my posts ? I am not HTC service and support, i do what i can and compatibly with my life and work. If you don't appreciate my effort, style or post, simply skip the thread and use another ROM or the one you bought with your telephone. The approach you propose would have killed Linux and Opensource...

I am one of the few that published the number of downloads: maybe not the most popular ROM, but i had about 2000 downloads. Imagining that 10% of the people downloading would donate - you get the scale of the business. I guess it could be 10X larger for the top chefs but in the case of continous releases i am sure that donations do not follow the number of downloads/releases. And i can tell you :the remuneration PER HOUR is probably lower than what you imagine, so i cannot believe that people do it for economical reasons! :o

yes, it is probably competition in getting the best ROM, it is fantastic to see other users happy of what you have been able to reach...
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] iSlaker:
i agree with you partially and that was the reason why I was careful in saying "some of them" rather than "they".

i might've not expressed myself properly regarding the full support thing. from my point of view the chef who posts a rom with the first (sometimes 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th!!!) post reserved and all of them in huge and colorful letters with screenshots, naming their roms with appealing names and... always mentioning the donation in and and outside their signatures plus, as i've seen, even posting the name of their donors AND how much they donated has, undoubtely, to provide full support to their testers.

regarding the chefs the GENUINELY want to share their piece of work with other people and don't want absolutely nothing in exchange for their work other than discussing and working on it to get it better, these folks deserve the best.

if we go back to the very first principle of sharing a ROM: have other people to use and report back the issues they're having so the chef can, if he/she wants to fix the problems. that's not what's been happening.

some folks are running against the time to compete with the other members. to have the latest roms, the latest features, the latest apps... so they can earn respect and more donations. porting stuff from one device to another is not just a case of challenge and learning, it's vital now! if something new is available for the HD whoever gets it ported to, let's say, Hermes, woooo this guy is The Guy. and that's what they're after, cause they know there will be rewards behind.

i think mods really need to do something to stop it. this is a forum, a place do discuss, to exchange information, knowledge and ideas. not a marketplace.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] spzero:
flaming heck! people can do what ever they like, it might be annoying but if people dont share than fine if they do thats good and if they ask for donations i have the right not to donate. but why not people like dutty make generally great roms (tho a few bugs now and then as all have) and they must spend hours reading there threads and replying and testing new stuff downloading latest apps etc. so why cant they make a few bucks i know i couldnt do what they do and without them i would have ditched WinMo ages ago.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] dandun:
PEPSI should ***** to COCA COLA why they are not sharing their secret. "Heck, maybe dutty also has that secret on his hands too"

Bottom line is, if i have a secret that will cause problems in my REAL life i would certainly keep it as SECRET.
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Fallen Spartan:
Could I make a suggestion that Flar close this thread and people move on!!

Enough is enough, lets stop this bickering and accusations!!

This thread has done its purpose and should now be closed!!

End of story!!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
Hi Everybody,

I've read every post made here and will keep all suggestions made in mind.

I will close this thread tomorrow as I expect that after a week everyone has had their chance to comment on the subject.

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] ionutz6:
On the last 100m, let me tell my view on the subject, as well..

I believe all this has been made a bigger fuss than it originally was. Smb. gave smb. else money in order not to share a ROM to the public. I believe the only question here is: the guy that had the source ROM was willing to get the money and NOT SHARE or refuse and still share the ROM? It is a matter of choice and, even though we would all like the absolute answer to be REFUSE THE MONEY, individual cases can choose differently. Since sharing is a matter of choice, as smb was saying above, not sharing is also a matter of sharing and cannot/ should not be punished, but accepted.

In any case, one way or the other, the source ROM in discussion was anyway about to get shared at one point in time by smb else who could care less about that amount of money.

I believe the only way we can FORCE people to share source ROMs, as well as anything else, is by providing such great value out of them, so that they would WANT to share this in order to get smth. a lot more valuable than just some money in return, a better software, a customised, speedy, perfectly running device, for example.

I was more than convinced that all this debate will finish soon and things will return to normal. Why? Because as we cannot live without the chefs and their cooked ROMs, they cannot leave without us either, without releasing their ROMs and seeing so many people from all over the world interested in their work. So everybody get back to work: cooking, testing, havin fun!!
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] edge540T:
:confused:

Short and simply:

I don't know how one user with years of cooperation with cookers, mods and users, he can loose his reputatation and our trust so fast for any little poblem, i think that we have the problem not the person who has shown his right conduct for long time ago.

Sorry for the bad english :p
[Touch HD Windows Mobile ROM Development] Flar:
Thread closed as announced yesterday.

Thanks for all the input everyone!

Best regards,

Flar
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tonyfuntime:
Hello all, I just got and unlocked htc fuze running elite rc2, phone works great, loving it until now but I really wanna make use of the GPS feature. I,ve heard dozens of people saying that they found free gps software like tom tom or garmin or igo to install on their fuze. Id really like having a gps like that with turn by turn nav and not have to use my 3g network, if anyone can help me, i barely had the cash to dish out to get the phone, dont have more money to waste on gps software.

thanks in advance!!

:confused::confused::confused:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] telegraph0000:
Just where are you trying to lead your thread to...??
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tonyfuntime:
well im trying to post to anyone who owns a raphael, that may have an answer for me
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] misfitwrx:
discussing or distributing, pirated software is not allowed in this forum
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] telegraph0000:
And there it is...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tonyfuntime:
ah ok, well its my first smart phone, when i saw that there were all those ways to mod and tweak the phone for free like themes, clocks and much more for free, i thought there were ways to get the gps to work for free also, no problem, thanks for the help anyways
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] fil:
google maps, any good?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Magelumbus:
You might want to try amazegps.com. It is free and has turn by turn directions. It is free (ad supported). In the next rev (March or April) they are telling us that the route maps will be downloadable. This prevents losing your way when you go out of tower coverage (which happens with Google Maps).

I only installed it 2 days ago and have used it once. It seemed to work pretty well and having the turn by turn sounds is an improvement over google maps.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tyguy:
NONE if these are FREE. I guess we should close this thread.
[XPERIA X1 General] Nocturnal310:
is there any tweak or setting to improve it?

due to the TyTN II driver..it does play videos good and not need to re-encode..just drag n drop n play.

but i noticed the framerate is still not good enuff ..if it cud be improved..it wud be the perfect portable DVD player in your pocket.
[XPERIA X1 General] Nocturnal310:
i also noticed in Portrait mode...framerate is higher than in Landscape mode.
[XPERIA X1 General] guru_fordy:
Lower the bitrate of video and audio until it's acceptable. I have a specific one I always using when re-encoding files. I'll have a look later if I remember ;)
[XPERIA X1 General] dadeadman:
Ways to improve framerate without having to convert the videos? Converting takes up lots of time. For shows like 24, the X1 does not play very smoothly