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[XPERIA X1 General] ianl8888:
@johnchan78

1) ... is the temperature being reported by the battery itself or the X1's own thermometer?

ANSWER: No idea. From my post #75:

I don't know the accuracy of the absolute temp report without frigging around with thermometers etc, but the relativity of reports between the 1500mAH and 1800mAH should be valid under exactly the same test conditions

Under exactly these same test conditions, temp reports are:

1500mAH 43.6 C; 1800mAH 26.1 C

The reading of 43.6 C from the 1500mAH battery was as far as I was prepared to let it go, but at the point of stopping it, the reading was still climbing.

2) One more thing... a lot of these Mugen/Momax/etc. batteries say they are Li-ION as opposed to the stock battery Li-POLY. You know that Li-POLY is much safer and less chance of explosion, etc.?

ANSWER: these batteries are Li-ion. Being "safer" by compromising the utility of the device (ie. not using it while on charge and under load for long periods) is not an option - rather sell it and move on or try a more powerful energy source.

The reading of 26.1 C from the 1800mAH battery is stable over many hours under charge and load.

3) But I don't know if Li-ION runs cooler than Li-POLY normally. Maybe some battery expert could answer that for us!

ANSWER: Nor do I. The only real comparison I have now is the Polaris. It runs on 1350mAH Li-ion and under the same load/charge/time period reports as 34 C and stable. It has shown no issue here in over 15 months of continuous use.
[XPERIA X1 General] charly-whiskey:
I do not understand the replys saying than "my X1 dos not have the problem". Fact ist, that many users report a battery-life of 1 day under regular useage. And, compared to my P1i using the same features except GPS it never got hot at all, and the battery lasts 5-6 days w/o charging. But my X1 glues, and I have to charge it at least once a day.

I bought a business, heavy user PPC, I WORK with the phone and do not just play around a little. So it is fair enoungh to expect a way better performance from battery, I think.

I believe its a windows / software problem, the symbian gadgets I owned (P1, Communicators) never had these problems.
[XPERIA X1 General] anothadave:
if people dont have the problem then its worth them saying so, that way there is a fair representation of the problem. theyre not saying that the problem doesnt exist...just that they dont have it themselves.

i had a p1i also and never got it to last more than 3 days without a charge. my x1 lasts roughly the same amount of time. at first i had to charge it daily but i was just playing around with it more since it was a new toy.lol.

it certainly gets warm when charging or while multitasking. according to Sktools its around 42c considering it contains a much more powerful cpu than the p1i then the heat has to go somewhere and the aluminium casing is going to be excellant at transferring that heat so its bound to feel warm. as phones start to have faster processors then heat is going to be an issue.
[XPERIA X1 General] Rudegar:
guess it could have something to do with expectations

battery technology is far behind all the other mobile parts

never having had an older symbian device

i cant really compare

my ipod touch is worse when it comes to lasting batt

my older wm devices were much the same about 2days

with my usage

multitasking and having running connections on all the time

is a sure killer though

best connect it when ever you can if you are a heavy users

and li-ion batts don't like many people seem to think suffer if charged a bit a lot

that they have to be used empty and then charged is a myth
[XPERIA X1 General] ianl8888:
I should have added that both WMMinibattery and SKTools report a battery temperature of 26.1 C and 25.9 C respectively with the Mugen 1800mAH Li-ion battery when on charge and under GPS/wifi load for > 4 hours (these figures remain stable for a full field mapping session > 10 hours, so far)
[XPERIA X1 General] anothadave:
on xperia.net someone has one of these. they say it charges much faster than the OEM battery and they reckon it actualy last longer, despite being lower capacity. think its also a Li-ion (despite the conflicting information on the listing) so maybe that is why theyre gettin better performance?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&item=370165126011
[XPERIA X1 General] dusan-s:
1800mah vs 1500 sony

I want to know does mugen 1800 last longer then 1500 sony and if it is longer ,how much in percentage.

I did not see in sony user manual any info about how to charging phone for the first time?
[XPERIA X1 General] anothadave:
yes it lasts slightly longer and from what people say its cooler too. in the uk it costs £24 so not sure the extra 20% battery life is worth that.

theres also a 3600mah mugen battery! thats about $90 though. that should last at least twice as long. its bigger than the original batterys and comes with a new back cover for the x1 to accomadate it.
[XPERIA X1 General] Ganondolf:
I thought the x1 battery did not last long (2 - 2.5 days) compare to my sony w960i (lasted 5 - 7 days). but then was told that 2+ days is very good for a wm phone.
[XPERIA X1 General] netvlada:
mugen battery 3600

i have phone for 3 dayes and with all saving tips,with no 3g,no wi-fi,no hsdpa, no led lighting,no gps and with little internet and calls i have 2 dayes.

This is no phone this is waste of time for non stop charging.

If the 3600mah is little on weight and space i will bay it.If not i will sell sony.

Does somebody bay thet battery because on mugen site is on preorder?
[XPERIA X1 General] anothadave:
if your not using the phone at all then the standby time is something like 580hrs. over night when i dont use the x1 the battery doesnt even drop 10%. its mainly the backlight that sucks power. making calls shouldnt really suck much power either. its rated at 10hrs talktime.

ive had smartphones right back to the p800, p900, p910,p990 the p1i and now the X1 and 2-3 days with reasonable use seems to be standard across all these phones. (i heard its even worse for the iphone) a smartphone/pocketpc has a much more powerful cpu than a regular phone and because of this it will eat through a battery much quicker. the x1 even has a secondary gpu which will suck more power.

i always adjust the backlight to around 50-70% when i first get one. and make sure that all programs have been shut down in task manager once i finished them, especially last thing at night. also if youre using the music player then shut off the screen if possible. if youre getting 2days without a charge then youre doing ok. i find that using the wall charger the battery will last much longer than charging from USB. a usb port doesnt give out as much juice as the proper charger. but basically if you want 5-7 days between charges then youre getting the wrong type of phone...
[XPERIA X1 General] netvlada:
saving battery

yes i agree with anothadave.

Byt i have problem because i must to closed programs taping uper right corner of screen which is hard for my fingers because corners of phone metal and screen, and if i want to go with one hand i must to resize my fingers.

i want to end programs with hardwer buton or with screen buton near hardwer buton .In nokia n95 if i want to close internet conection i just hold call end buton and it is ok.
[XPERIA X1 General] yohost:
Maybe that's why my phone won't boot the OS anymore?

2 weeks ago i drove for about 13 hours and had TOMTOM Navigator(GPS) running and also the car charger was plugged in.

After about 6 hours I mention the battery had stopped charging.

The only thing thats works was power down the Xperia X1 and then it began to charge again!

But the problem now is that it only want to boot the OS when i put a charger on the phone.

Without the charger it only shows the boatloader and then it stops.... :(

I use R2A software
[XPERIA X1 General] bedlam_au:
My R2A X1i has exhibited similar symptoms. I have Home Screen++ installed and its temperature and current readings are very handy for making some anecdotal observations:

right now in a cool air conditioned room and idling off charge on a desk, it shows as 25 degrees

straight out of my pants pocket it's around 35 degrees as you'd expect. it's usually around the same when charging from USB or an AC adapter.

when charging from a car adapter, it gets to mid-high 40s within half an hour. This normally results in the battery cover becoming uncomfortably hot to the touch.

The current draw reading makes for interesting reading as well. When charging from USB, it usually shows +200 to +300mA. However, when charging from the car adapter, it's usually around +500mA can get up to +700mA. This is because when the engine's running, the accessory plugs are running at 13.8V and the DC-DC converters in the adapters aren't especially sophisticated.

Similar to ianl8888, my X1 has a tendency to behave erratically and freeze up when charging to the extent that I'll take it off charge if I want to run any apps.

One of these days I want to get around to isolating each radio and seeing what its current draw is in various states of use and on various types of charge to see what the correlation is.
[XPERIA X1 General] ianl8888:
I've been using a Mugen 1800mAH for about 3 weeks now:

1) genuine Mugen

2) resolves the overheating problem with the standard issue 1500mAH. I've had it on the car charger using GPS for field mapping for 8-10 continuous hours for 6 days in a row. Reported battery temp does not rise above 26.1C

3) standby time about 2 days

The next problem is the GOD-awful insensitivity of the X1 to GSM signal. I've used the same SIM card in both the X1 and my backup Polaris, one straight after the other, in exactly the same marginal signal areas. The Polaris easily found sufficient signal to work, while the X1 stayed dumb and stupid. Current radio ROM is 1.11.25.76 - this gives excellent GPS sensitivity and LOUSY GSM reception.
[XPERIA X1 General] fards:
try the 1.09 diamond?
[XPERIA X1 General] ianl8888:
Yes, thanks mate - I tried that a while ago, but it wouldn't flash (Update Failure red message). Hexedit problem ? Don't really know

I'm back in the field next week, then a bit after in the wilds of mainland China for about a month on a project ... hope I've resolved it by then
[XPERIA X1 General] Cutefox:
can u post the radio rom? i'll try it.. the one that can be flash onto xperia.. at the moment im usin 1.11.25.71 and its better for the battery than 76.. i still think it can be much better thou..
[XPERIA X1 General] Typako:
Mugen 1800 battery much better than the original

Just dropping my experience on the battery overheating issue.

IMHO, Ianl8888 is absolutely right.

I had to do some long trips lately and had the nav s/w running for 4-5 hours while on the car charger and the device became extremely hot. I ve never had similar problems with my previous devices, ETEN and MIO, during long trips.

So, I got myself a Mugen 1800 battery and ... ta-da ... problem totally vanished. Even after 8 hours of continuously navigating + charging, the device is hardly "warm". Definitely not hot.

Also, normal charging (from wall outlet) is smoother and produces much less heat.

The original battery was taking ~1-2 hrs to get to 90% and 1 more hour to finally reach 100%.

I am not, in any way, affiliated with the specific company. I don't even use their incentive thingy for good references in forums.

The point is not how good is Mugen. I think it's as expected atm, no more, no less.

The point is how much crappy the original battery is. It's really difficult to beleive you don't do it yourself. Shame on SE.

Mods, as far as I know this reference is not against the rules. If I'm wrong, please feel free to remove.
[XPERIA X1 General] VanAuberjim:
The whole discussion seems to me as an advertisment for Muhen (mugen, whatever) batteries. From the 1st post to the last post it's all about how the M batteries "will be available soon", "will get one of those when they are out", "got one of them and it's the best"...

If you wanted to do something about SE, their service and their crappy battery you should let your xperia outside, GPS and WiFi on, charging, and wait for it to burn. Then take it to SE, sue them, get a new xperia and the money from the lawsuit, and get Sony to reconsider the matter and change the batteries of all Xperia users worldwide.

Anyways, has anyone tried the 3600mAh battery of the same company?
[XPERIA X1 General] comeradealexi:
i was using tomtom on my phone and charging it through my EEE laptop - the battery was at about half - but later on i noticed that the battery had actually gone down....

i made sure the laptop didnt go into standby or anything and the phone was so hot it was unbelieveable -
[XPERIA X1 General] Typako:
OK, since I 'm one of those comparing the mugen to the original, I tried to explain in my post that it was not my intention to advertise Mugen, but to express my disappointment for the original SE battery.

However, I will not take the actions you advice, simply because I don't have the time, the resources and the balls to do it. Even if I had all these, it would be quite possible that I couldn't win the fight, because the flaw is very difficult to prove. Nobody said that the device burns. They said it becomes hot and behaves temporarily erraticaly.

But I'm doing what I can. I think that a bad reference to a popular forum like this is not completely worthless. I also intent to post a link in a couple of local (Greek) forums as well.
[XPERIA X1 General] david Vortex:
Battery behavior

Hi.

First sorry for my broken English.

Here are my comments about X1 and Battery life duration.

1/ I had also notice the battery (and by conduction, the whole phone), can get very warm.

The electronic thermometer had shown 56°c

2/ I’m using, phone cradle in the car, usb cable for Pc, or wall charger at home.

I do all a time a FULL charging.

Sometimes, i’m plugging the Phone HALF charged to a PC, and after , some minutes (less than 10) , the phone is completly discharged.

Look like a QUICK DRAIN, and the battery is very hot. (no shortcircuit, cable works fine with other devices).

3/ Since few days, i’m charging the phone at maximum, and disconnected from plug around 23h, midnight.

And a 8h in morning, the phone is in « dead syndrom » not enough power even to get charged. (Before, it used to be less than 2 days).

No phone call, no alarm, nothing, no software activity. .

After following the procedure (boot and wall charger), it can be recharged again.

It’s a genuine X1, with a GENUINE rom, (R1A0017) , exceptzs TOMTOM, no other software installed.

Wifi, neither BT activated.

Any Idea ?????

Device bought in Feb 09.

Thanks.

David.
[XPERIA X1 General] Medulla_Oblongata:
Wow, so much commotion on some device getting warm.

I noticed my X1 getting warm(er) at times when I'm calling or using WiFi for 15+ minutes, but never thought it would end in a disaster.

Is this "heat" something to worry about or are you folks a bit paranoid? :p

What I am more concerned about is how long the phone lasts on a full battery charge. I used a Samsung i600 before this one and that one lasted for at least 5 days (or even longer with the extended battery).
[XPERIA X1 General] usmjan:
poorly manufactured body of x1

i disassembled entire rear body as per youtube videos to look into the interior. the battery frame is made of very thin plastic material, and on bending felt thats its going to breakup very easily. heating seems to aggravate the body cracking, a common problem. poor craftsmanship by SE. Advise for ppl thinking of buying: do not buy this set, unless SE corrects the manufacturing defect and body housing is cheaply available.
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Has anyone tried to use hulu on their HD? I wonder if it works good on it?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] TheWidgetKid:
My Goal is to reach 100 subscribers!!! Come on Guys make it happen!

Hey Guys here is yet another Video for you guys. This video will teach you guys how to successfully boot Android OS on you HTC Touch HD. Just trying to help out the community.

Please comment on YouTube rather than the forum

Don't forget to RATE it!!

Please Subscribe!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6eteCEiwd4

Goal is 100 Subscribers! Make it happen!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] TheWidgetKid:
bumpity bump bump
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] fredphoesh:
android on touch hd

Hi,

Thanks for uploading that, and the tutorial.

I saw you doing a demo on youtube and decided i should give it a go on my touch hd.

There is pretty much zero functionality, though you can play with menus a bit... but more a tease that it COULD be possible on the touch hd than signs of major progress.

After pulling out my battery three times in a few minutes, I guess it will be worth trying sometime in the future when the dialer and address book work.

Tx mate, I will subscribe to this thread in case you update it in future with news of a better version.

Mark.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] john nance:
Please, keep working with it!

Subscribed to thread.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Avalun:
hi,

thats great, but how do you get out of it again? Do you need to do a soft reset?

ok i tried it, first run it stuck in the shell, softreset not it stuck at the haret boot screen,

the bar gets full, but then the hd hangs and need to soft reset.

So I cant tell you where it hangs in adroid, but the keyboard didnt load, and there are no red dots.

___

OK wit works, you must not copy the android folder in a subdirectory of your memory card, and i needed to calibrate my screen after booting up
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Kenia1234:
HI all,

excuse me for the probably stupid question, but once i run Harez,

How can I go back to windows mobile???

It needs only a soft-reset???

tnx...

:):)

PS : it's reeeeeeeally nice!! :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Avalun:
hi,

yes you need to to a soft reset, then windows will be loaded again.

Its pretty buggy, I had problems getting out of running apps. the

screen gets messed up sometimes and there are no working

radio/battery drivers
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Kenia1234:
Thanks for the prompt reply...

i'm gonna trying it soon...

thanks!!! :)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] bonesy:
errr where can you dload it??!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Avalun:
at the page, which you see the url in the youtube vid.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] bonesy:
Found it downloaded it,My friend has the g1 so after it booted on the HD he was gutted (didnt point out all the bugs lol) firstly took me over a dozen soft resets to actually get it to work!

I have modified it to install from a cab file and posted here..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3423145#post3423145
[General Questions and Answers] raj_patel20000:
HI:-

I have HTC TNTY phone & I need help to solve my query.

1) Please let me know how to change ALarm tone means How I can use MP3 tone in Alarm tone..

2) HOw to use theme which are in Zip format..

I hope you willl suggest me so i can use my phone like I want.
[General Questions and Answers] orb3000:
1. move your mp3 alarm tone to my device/windows and then select it
[General Questions and Answers] -PiLoT-:
also you need to extact the .tsk file and put it in the same directory
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] ftoz:
Hi, has anybody foto of naked kaiser? I need foto of its motherboard and i must know type of memory
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
All the info you want is here at the Kaiser wiki including memory specs and page 90 of the service manual (linked to from the wiki page) has a very intimate photo of the mainboard :eek:
[XPERIA X1 General] Nocturnal310:
i noticed a problem with the camera app

whenever i open the X1's camera..the first time..there is no view..its all blank screen...then i close it and restart..and then only i have the view.

what is this bug?
[XPERIA X1 General] Nocturnal310:
bump.............
[XPERIA X1 General] DeeChan:
I think it's just some bug, never thought of making a thread myself though.
[XPERIA X1 General] agep:
This happens to me to. every time I start the camera, the viewfinder is black. I have to close the app and restart it. This happens in both the old and new UK ROM
[XPERIA X1 General] ratchetnclank:
This has started happening to me since i updated to the newest version of angeluz x1 widescreen mode for touchflo 3d :\.
[XPERIA X1 General] Draqula:
I had this problem once in a while, with R1A GENERIC UK ROM.

But not every time. Maybe 1 of 5 camera starts.

I've had R2A for a week now and so far so good - no blank starts.
[XPERIA X1 General] dogans:
I had the same problem with the R1 ROM, and still have it with official R2 ROM :/.

No biggie though.. I just exit and start it again.
[XPERIA X1 General] TinUK:
I have this problem, dunno if this helps find the cause, but try to turn on led does nt work.

one time i tried over 5 times until view come on.
[XPERIA X1 General] Erik23a86:
Updating the firmware fixed the problem for me.
[XPERIA X1 General] gundamboy:
never had the problem, but it's probably going to happen sooner or later =[
[XPERIA X1 General] foxcheng:
maybe you have heavy program running background?

I had once because of this :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Nocturnal310:
the Facebook panel has a lovely feature where i can upload pics from my phone..

but wouldnt it be awesome if i could upload to my Flickr account?

has anyone worked on such a panel?

wud be really awesome
[XPERIA X1 General] oTToToTenTanz:
Never heard about a flickr panel, but heard about a program that can upload to flickr.com.

http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/photoviewer/

Hope I could help you!

Have fun!
[XPERIA X1 General] spr33:
Yes, it would be awesome. A twitter panel would also be awesome. Sony seem to be really slow at developing new panels and the community panels are few and far between.
[General Questions and Answers] mGforCe:
Dear All,

I recently purchased Samsung i780 India version. The ROM version is i780DDHE1.

I am facing issues while charging the phone over USB. Though the phone shows charging symbol when the usb cable is connected to laptop but even after hours of keeping phone connected to PC there is not battery charging that is happening.

Has anyone faced the same issue or it is something to do while my particular phone piece?

PS: I am able to charge my other phone HTC Gene using the same laptop via USB.

Thanks in advance
[General Questions and Answers] ilMessia:
It is not an issue, simply i780 can t be charged by usb.Usb connection only keeps your battery status without charging.;)
[General Questions and Answers] mGforCe:
Is this openly mentioned/admitted by Samsung anywhere??

also if I use the battery holder & connect it to laptop via usb cable then the battery is charged..how can that happen?

thnx for replying ilMessia

@Mods...

pls move to right section. Sorry for posting in wrong area.
[General Questions and Answers] ilMessia:
I don t know if samsung say it somewhere:(.If you connect the battery holder to pc via usb, the battery inside charges because the "usb power" is all directed to the battery.Connecting the i780, the phone needs power to work and there is no power enough for the battery.It means that when the phone is connected it doesn t use the battery power but it only use "usb power".Srry for my english...
[Upgrading, Modifying and Unlocking] christophe1697:
Hi friends

I have a spv C200( ie AMOI E72) simlocked on Orange France network, it is on WM5.

Unfortunately i can not unlock it i'm on SFR.

I alredy unlocked some htc but this one is real hard.

If somebody has solutions, i take

Thank you for your help