yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X1 General] guap:
lol

why? and what kind of arch do you know that act like this?

I'm not saying that's impossible, but that sounds... "freak"... and I'm saying "freak" because I don't want to say "stupid" :)

xperia runs @400mhz by default as stated by manufacturer specification. Maybe we can overclock it, but for now this is a simple mistake by tcpmp
[XPERIA X1 General] foxcheng:
I think the current xperia can playback low fps only because even playback the recording movie at 28fps, the quality is laggy and blur. if we record using 15fps, i can expect a better playback result^^ btw, our sound in video recording only mono 8k amr!? anyway to change this now?
[XPERIA X1 General] michaelthemage:
My camera suck to begin with... every video I take is pixelated on many parts.
[XPERIA X1 General] johnchan78:
The Snapdragon processors supposedly support on-the-fly powering up/down various parts of the CPU as required, and can scale the CPU Mhz. Can't ours do the same?
[XPERIA X1 General] foxvengeor:
System info show the model of the CPU , not the real frequency in live.

So , 400 or 528 mhz?

:D
[XPERIA X1 General] Calvin H:
This is what i was trying to get at :)
[XPERIA X1 General] guap:
no, by design
[XPERIA X1 General] foxcheng:
I think the clock speed is dynamic, maybe we can open WMP to trigger clock at 528Mhz then suddenly jump to today screen to read the 400Mhz is changed or not. Anyone please try this, because i don't have the cpu clock plugin on today screen..
[XPERIA X1 General] alias_neo:
:(

I thought of this one, but unfortunately, WMP pauses when it goes to background, and the Today screen is refreshed as it displays. So I can't tell if it's not changing or if it's just changing back too quick.

EDIT: Tried running 16 apps and playing a video (tried a 720p but that just played the sound and ignored the video so no use), then played a normal size video that wasnt HD just something I converted to 800x480 and managed to get the CPU usage to hit 99% still didn't budge from 400MHz. Looks like the CPU is fixed at 400MHz unless there are some specific conditions required for it to increase that arent being met.

The point is, even with 16 apps open, and RAM usage at 54% it still didnt stutter the video.

So... do we really need it to go any faster, or am I missing something?
[XPERIA X1 General] Dandie:
I remember the same discussion with the Samsung CPU of the Hermes. It was also running at 300 MHz instead of the 400 it was officially running with. At least the tools displayed this. Since also the Qualcomm seems to have this issue, my guess would be that it is rather something wrong with the register displaying the current processor speed. Maybe it is something wrong with the implementation of the ARM core itself - I mean, not many people are really interested into the current clock speed of their mobile :o

It would be interesting if other devices with the same core like the Touch HD, the Diamond, Raphael and so on are displaying the same value.
[XPERIA X1 General] bigu1975:
Hi,

If you want to see 528MHz you can do very simple thing - just connect X1 to external power supply. When the device is powered the CPU is running at 528MHz :)
[XPERIA X1 General] foxvengeor:
Real? Screenshot please.

It can be a way for force the 528 MHZ all the time...
[XPERIA X1 General] bigu1975:
Hmmm,

It looks I was to harry (maybe).

I checked the speed under tcpmp 0.72 and power supply connected. It showed 528MHz so I thought it is because the power supply. After posted my post I disconnected power supply and tcpmp 0.72 still shows 528MHz.

The reason I wrote about power supply is I have also the HP 614 device - it has Intel CPU but it is also scalable by system and there under tcpmp I can see different CPU speeds e.g. 214-412MHz but when the external power supply is connected it always show maximum.

I thing this could make sense - under external power supply CPU should running on max speed.

I am sorry for confusion, I am still learning about my new X1 and about qualcom :)
[XPERIA X1 General] Dandie:
Doesn't make much sense to me. May make sense for a Laptop, which is often used with external power supply, but a mobile is rarely used at all while charging - this is not a typical use case and it would't make sense to build in a 500 MHz CPU which only runs at maximum speed once or twice a week.
[XPERIA X1 General] bigu1975:
Dandie,

I agree with you. My concern was as follow: the CPU may be under speed control when we use only battery - then according to current load the system is determining optimal CPU speed. Optimal here means compromise between power consumption and performance.

For external power source it doesn't make sense to underclock CPU - we don't care about battery.

I am pretty sure it works that way on HP 614C...
[XPERIA X1 General] alias_neo:
Why?

Why worry about it? From what I have seen, the clock frequency is 400MHz, no matter what I do, or whether or not it's plugged in, it has never shifted from this.

It's possible the CPU can be clocked up to full speed in a future firmware update (like Sony did with the PSP), but right now I can't see it running at 528, or any reason why I would need it to.

The performance is fine, videos work fine, the only ones I have had problems with are 720p HD mp4. They just refuse to play the video outright.
[XPERIA X1 General] foxcheng:
hi, actually I have an idea :) to well play HD movie, try convert target movie to 20fps with same resolution, the movie will not choppy anymore. I found that even playing the 320x240 with 30fps, coreplayer still can't fully handle it.. that's mean fps is the key that we should tolerant to play smoothly on our xperia:) I used xilisoft ultimate for video editing, really simple and easy and full settings, try it bro:D
[XPERIA X1 General] foxvengeor:
A lot of things... my X1 lag with opera + msn + mp3 in playback.... Need 528mhz :p
[XPERIA X1 General] alias_neo:
Thanks, is it any better than the Blackstone converter posted here on the site?

Mine doesnt......
[XPERIA X1 General] leobox1:
i really hope x1 is optimized . . . even with the new rom, it is slow !!!!!
[XPERIA X1 General] Chaosstorm:
And i think its pretty fast ( im still on a rom from RAA1 ( the first one that comes with the device).. the phone that i had before this one was a p990i running WAAAIIIYY slower then xperia x1
[XPERIA X1 General] rmpilar:
I remember having benchmarks being miscalculated by norton ulitities when comparing SX-33, DX-33 and DX2-66 processors (yes almost 20 years ago :)) so i'm assuming this also a similar case since the benchmark was done on tcpmp 0.72 (a 3 or 4 year old program) whereas the processor used in X1 is only 2 years old. So I agree with guap that tcmp might be mistaken.

Looking at PDAdb.net ...

X1 uses MSM7200A http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200a

HD uses MSM7201A http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7201a

7200 was released 2007, 7201 was released 2008. well, same clock speeds but sizes are different. And same co-processors are embedded. So as for video performance, the answer may lie with it's GPU - it's not apples to apples - same processors doesn't mean same performance :).

funny, i found this and became suspicious: http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=cpu&id=a7200 (see clock speed). Surprisingly, this is the processor mentioned in http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_xperia_x1-2246.php. Could it be ... ?

oh, i use SPB Mobile DVD to convert movies to wmv at 25fps 800x480 using plain windows media player - relatively speaking, for me, quality produced is good and it converts fast so i'm quite happy with it. it can convert to Xvid too for Core Player.

I wonder what speeds are displayed on Touch Diamond/Pro (7201A), Touch Diamond 2/Pro 2 (7200A ... well it did say in PDAdb) and Touch HD (7201A). For the meantime, to "appeace myself", i'd rather look at this comparison: http://www.phonegg.com/compare/24/Sony-Ericsson-XPERIA-X1-vs-HTC-Touch-HD.html :D
[XPERIA X1 General] Calvin H:
Wow, nice work! Now I'm darn curious what is displayed by homescreen ++ on the other devices u mentioned!
[XPERIA X1 General] SomeoneSimple:
Thats BS.

The MSM7201A is a crippled MSM7200A since Qualcomm had some Licensing problems with broadcom if i am correct.

You can look that up.

And the name MSM7201A doesn't says it runs at 528Mhz, its the same as the name "Pentium 4" for example. (take the Marvell SoC used in the iFoon for example, which is underclocked too)

Also you are also looking at the wrong page of the SoC chipset, the one you mentioned is the MSM7200 which is used in the HTC Titan. The MSM7200A is a die-shrink (it is 65nm instead of 90nm) of the MSM7200 resulting in lower power usage and higher clocks then the original.

So please, get your facts right. We already have Markaclienti as our personal X1-nonsense-spreader, so that job is already taken.

Anyway, all hardware aside (which doesn't matter much anyway), the biggest problem why the X1 isn't pushing any records is because of the limitations of WinMo. No native FPU support. The maximum supported compiler (because of compatability with Marvell/Xscale) is the ARMv5 instruction set. Ancient GDI layer design with very basic hardware acceleration. And much more major design flaws caused by keeping an outdated OS compatible with ancient devices.

So unless Microsoft redesigns the whole thing in WinMo7, it wont get much better then this.

Even if you'd put an top of the line ARM Cortex-A8 in the X1, the performance will still be sub-par compared to other devices with an modern OS like iFoon's OSX or the Dream's Android.

Also, check out the older Mediaplayers like the Creative Zen Vision (non-M/W, M and W) and the Archos'. They have chipsets alot slower then the ARMv11 and the ATI Imageon we're using right now, but they are capable of decoding MP4 at 2MB/s without any sweat at all. (Zen Vision is using a ARM9, ARMv5 instr. 280mhz SoC with an Texas Instruments DSP)

Seriously wait for some benchmarks of the LG TG01 with the 1Ghz Cortex-A8 Snapdragon SoC. Believe me WinMo 6's performance will suck. And yes, thats the same proc running PS1 games @ >30fps WITHOUT DSP's at 600mhz on the open source Pandora Project.
[XPERIA X1 General] rmpilar:
Ouch. Did you take the time to click on the link I posted? :) anyway, just a little emotional reaction - I would've rather be told my source is wrong than be told I'm wrong (and preferable w/o the word "BS") :) - the link is there to support what I've stated. so tell me i'm on the wrong pages:

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1117

http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=pdacomparer&id1=1750&id2=1469&id3=1751&id4=1117

As for the rest of what you said, yes I agree with you. the advantage though is that it is possible to port an application in one to another. Imagine as a developer, you have to consider writing for MIPS and ARM - now that was a headache.

Anyway, in line with this thread, my point is that there is no serious benchmark tool to compare the performances of WinMo devices iregardless of processor used. tcmp is most definitely not a benchmark tool.

peace

PS. See this article http://www.pcworld.com/article/136834/htc_picks_qualcomm_mobile_chips.html
[Touch Pro CDMA] lilhgarcia1:
Ok i download the MightyROM and i called sprint to help me out they said i had to go to setting and update PRL or profile but the MightyROM doesnt have that option in it so i stopped after 10 attempts

I also went to MSL and change the active user from 0 to 1 Nothing

I actually get it to connect when its @ 0 but i cant go online it just stops at Locating and eventually saids The Page Cannot be Found Check the name and try again on all the webpages even Home

When i click the taskbar icon it said DATA is connected and thats when i change the active user to 0 but i searched and it said it should be able to work when you change it to 1 but it doesnt even connect when i do that

I also just activated the plan about 17 hours ago they said to wait 4-6 hours
[XPERIA X1 General] Amnesia180:
Hi All,

I've setup my email accounts on my X1 now... one quick question. If I delete them from my device, do they get removed from my mail server?

Cheers,
[XPERIA X1 General] Sfkn2:
There's an option to either delete them off the server, or move it to trash. Look in the settings.
[XPERIA X1 General] Amnesia180:
Thanks :) I've found it now.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] smiter:
will anybody make some tutorial for beginners with all tolls :)

dump rom is easy now all i need to now what should i do with those 4 raw files... id like to cook that dumped rom and make my own!

i have seen this tutorial but thats for kaiser...

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=337066

may i use it for diamond rom with same kiaser tools???

ty all :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] zerocool81:
it's correct, you can use some kaiser tools;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] smiter:
ty

already coocked, flashed and dumped rom is still protected?

coz i having trobles with kaiser tools im getting error at this point:

Choose the KaiserKitchen folder, Go
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mjaxa:
You may get different errors, but yes, roms are protected. Few cooks are providing kitchens, few are not locking. Too few IMHO.....:( as the software itself is not their property anyway....

Shipped roms are not protected - you can try how it goes with shipped rom, then you will know what to expect.

Good luck!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
What do you think?

There aren't much changes compare to the HTC Touch Pro... It's a real turn off for me. I don't even feel like I want to change phone.

- Different Design (I prefer the diamond back cover)

- The Tilt is back (YAY!).

- Bigger Screen, 3.6" instead of 2.8", and it's thinner

- It's Heavier than the HTC Touch Pro

- Processor "Qualcomm® MSM7200A™, 528 MHz" Instead of "Qualcomm® MSM7201A™, 528 MHz" (Same Speed thou)

- Memory and RAM are the same (Disappointed)

- Faster Download Speed, Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz (no America yet, but I'm sure they will come up with something)

- Camera is the same (so disappointed)

I was so eager to change phone from the Tilt to Touch Pro, but not to this phone... Except for the bigger Screen. The Good new is the phone seem to be cheap. So is it time to sell my Fuze yet?

Join this Facebook group if you have nothing else to do :p

Youtube review
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mysterd:
And additionnaly, there's no more D-PAD.

That's the same reason why I didn't go for the Touch HD.

I don't understand this "everything touch" trend.

I love the touchscreen, but I like being able to use the D-PAD for gaming, scrolling through list items and then "right clicking" an item, etc.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
x2.

I hate not having a D-Pad. What if I don't want to smudge up my screen? A D-pad is a must-have for me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] markgamber:
I replaced an iPhone and a Tilt with a Touch Pro (Fuze) and I *really* miss the larger screen of the iPhone and the ability to tilt the screen. From everything I've read, I will be buying a TP2 as soon as it's available in the US for less than a fortune. Slingplayer will look fabulous on it, I'm sure.

The "everything touch" trend is real easy to understand. iPhone. Period. If it wasn't for Apple, I'd probably have gotten a new one instead of opting for a Fuze. But since Apple insists on treating iPhone users as if they're retarded, I moved on.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] jd885:
I love the bigger screen design but would miss the D-pad, love the tilt (but it is another thing to break) but i dont like the lack of new features (camera the same, same processor speed, same ram, same memory???) seems like they are tryin to pull a iPhone 3G on us... same phone minor improvements
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] kart_racer3:
How well do you suppose the camera will function? Do you think we will be able to learn anything from the Touch Pro 2 camera code/functionality that will help us improve the original Touch Pro camera?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AthenaLod:
camera is not exactly the same as it wont have a flash, even more disappointing.

the tilting screen is a great thing, as i really miss the tilting screen of the tilt (kaiser)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] technillion:
Not worth it for me...

For me it's simple...

SAME camera (with no 30fps video)

+ SAME processor speed

+ SAME RAM

+ NO enhanced graphics

+ NO fixed GPS lag

----------------

Waste of $$$

Even when and IF they come out with a US 3G model, my money will be staying in my wallet.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
And it's stil on WM6.1, so disapointed.

I'm getting bore of my Fuze, I want to change to a new phone, but there isn't any good reason for me to do so... I'm so bored
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] KevinACrider:
For me, the return of the tilt screen and a large screen itself make it worth my money. The camera is nothing to me, I use a real camera anyway. What price marks are we seeing for this phone?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] rexian:
While I appreciate the bigger screen, I am not sure how responsive the device would be with higher resolution and same processor since we all know HTC doesn't believe in video acceleration / drivers in business phones.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
TP2 is the reason my TP will live longer in my pocket, plus I am looking for other brands (AGAIN).

WHERE IS MY D-PAD!?

...and why limit it to 3.2MP when every other model has 5?

...and where is the flash!?

No thanks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
I don't care much about camera either, but I care a lot about the speed. However, i agreed with you for the big screen...

Anyway, to answer your question about the price, this website is selling it for $750, which I think it's reasonable for a new phone. Check before you buy, I think it only works for Europe and Asia so far.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] doctajay:
The bigger screen and the Tilt feature are big pluses for me, but the lack of D-pad is just weird. Also, I have a strong feeling that 2009 and 2010 will reveal alot of amazing devices from other manufacturers...plus HTC might release somethign else that is better. I currently have a Fuze and I think I will just wait. I want to see how WM7 pans out. I sold my iPhone for $400 and I'm saving the money for something that really deserves it. If I still had my Tilt, I would probably upgrade to the TP2, but from a Fuze to a TP2 doesn't make much sense to me.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] bigb252:
Well...HTC lost me on this TP2. Not this time...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] limache:
I honestly like the first Touch Pro more. I don't like the roundedness...I prefer sharp angles. It looks too fat lol.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
I love the new Tilt design, it looks more tilted, but I personally prefer the diamond sharp on the back of my Fuze. And the USB slot look too UGLY, it's just coming out too much. I take back what I said about the Camera, I do use the camera on my device a lot lately, mostly because of the fast upload to Facebook.

Join this Facebook group guys...

Seeing the big screen on this youtube, really make me want it now :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mysterd:
Gimme your advice about the D-PAD problem : what do you use instead of it, for example for gaming and so on ? I mean, if you want to control some game emulator, do you use on screen buttons ? As the current devices are not multitouch (I don't want to speak about some well known IwannabeaPHONE), i don't think these are suitable for proper gaming.

Maybe the simple answer is "I don't use my device for gaming...".

What do you think ?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] player911:
"Some" emulator programs allow onscreen virtual Dpads... but without multitouch, you'll be unable to simultaneously press onscreen buttons.

All games are different though. Some are simply point and click games which don't require a dpad. Others work well without a Dpad.

Most games will flat out be impossible to use.

I came from the Samsung Epix with its Optical Dpad/Mouse... to the Fuze for the Dpad. I later found that the Dpad isn't really a Dpad... but a touchscreen with optical sensors (which is why the Dpad on the fuze sucks; but at least it is a functioning dpad).

I swore my next phone will have a physical dpad and a jog wheel.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Mithent:
I'm surprised how few WM devices have a jog wheel; my last one was a FSC Loox 720 and a jog wheel was one of its major positive points back then. It hardly seems like it would be an expensive or difficult control to add, but I guess it's not free and so there's something for HTC to gain by not including one.

I also prefer the diamond back of the Touch Pro, not that the Vario IV has it anyway though (not clear why they had to change that).
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nqnguyen2:
considering what people are saying about the touch pro having poor performance. can we expect the same thing from this TP2, if not, all future HTC devices?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] divineblue:
But another question is did they fix the headphone jack issue as well?

I like the bigger screen on this one (that has to be my only major concern), but heavier? come on, the fuze is as heavy as it should be right now anyways.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] The Avatar:
I think it is a step in the wrong direction to not have the D-pad.

That is the one thing I'm still not comfortable with the touch pro, all the pressing on the screen. A large screen as nice, but touch only makes for a slow phone. I would love for the touch pro to have a feture allowing you to use the keyboard to dial numbers when in portrait mode. I realy miss being able to dial numbers without looking at the phone.

The quality of the camera doesn't bother me that much, but it's a shame that the LED light is removed. That is one of the few things I actually use the phone camera to do, take detailed photos in poorly light rooms. I take pictures of notes on billboards, price tags in shops, businesscards and construction details. I then either send the picture as a MMS to the reciver or just store it for later use.

I know HTC is not good as camera phones, but when you have a poor resolution camera that are really slow to focus then you need to have a LED light or even better a blitz. If they don't then they could just as well have removed the whole camera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] NLS:
We all said about the great things that iPhone brought to handheld devices (and it did)... now let us eat also all the sh*t that iPhone brought to handheld devices.

Welcome to the new world of Reduced Functionality and Enchanced Hype-ionality.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] pandaboyy:
One of the thing I like the most in the TP is the weight. I love the feel of holding it in my hand.

As for D-Pad, I don't play games on my Fuze, so I don't really need it. But I would love to see the old Joystick of the Tilt back, just for the navigation :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] greenfan:
I don't if there are many differences between touch Pro and Touch Pro 2 and if these really worth, but to me, a TyTN II owner, Touch Pro 2 is really a big step ahead....

And i'm gonna buy as soon as it is available!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Jim Coleman:
There are two things stopping me upgrading my TP to a TP2.

1) The availability of Snapdragon and the fact the TP2 doesn't have it and the Toshiba TG01 does

2) The lack of a firm commitment to an official upgrade to WinMo7 next year

I can't say I'm not tempted though.

I suspect both points above will be addressed by the TP3 next year. I tend to skip a generation with HTC devices - I went straight from the Tytn to the TP, skipping the Tytn II. I suspect I'll skip the TP2 for the TP3 as well. As long as my resolve holds out.

That 3.6" WVGA screen and tilty keyboard are so sexy though.......
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] Lord_BlackAdder:
I don't think HTC is targeting TP2 to TP users. TP was out in less than a year and most phone contract is 2 years. So few TP users would be able to upgrade even if they like TP2.

On the other hand, Kaiser users and even Hermes users would see TP2 a very desirable upgrade path.

In regard to D-Pad, the overwhelming popularity of the fruit phone and that fact that they sold so many validate the fact that full big screen is what customer wants. So market decides what get produced.