yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] sd73ta:
pretty sure you have to downgrade to 6.0. Its been a while though and i could be wrong. also try this you should always be security unlocked

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=361236
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Munchys:
I tried that one, and for 2nd poster, I did try that also. Sorry for not listing. But I still appreciate the help guys.

I was also thinking I had to go back to 6.0 but I went 55 pages back on this section of the forum, and I still cant find it. I'm still looking, but it seems like a dead end to me. =/
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Cal-El:
there was a guy having this issue a while back, look in the white screen thread towards the end! I will see what I can find for you! :)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Munchys:
Right now I found a 6.0 ATT rom, so I got that to work, now I will try unlocking it, thank you guys, and thanks to this post (70+ pages back!) http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=326933

Edit 1 :

Alright I got it back down to 6.0, but yet I still cant do anything with HardSPL, CID, or Security. If anyone has any solutions I will listen! Even if its bashing my head against anything! LOL! Sucks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davewaave:
downgrade I don't believe is necessary
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] BombaMyte:
Meh, you need to use JumpSPL first. I've had this happen before, and JumpSPL cleared it right up for me.

I think Jocky has a few you can use. Check his HardSPL thread.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Munchys:
I first tried to use Vista, but then went back to my xp machine.

Edit :

I've tried to the JumpSPL but had major brain damage last night. trying it again with a fresh day. Will let you know.

Just got it, thanks guys. I apologize for just being completely brain dead. But I really am happy that you guys helped out. I finally got it flashed with the HardSPL It was really easy now. I just could not remember how to get to the file explorer. And the JumpSPL 1.56 worked. Thanks!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] IronManDS:
Yeah, well I can NEVER find anything via search here. Hell, to prove that point, I just typed "stupid" in the subject search line and found: NOTHING!!! I don't know what the deal is, but I've just pretty much given up searching this site.

Which leads to more reading than I'd typically care to do.

J
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] davewaave:
Glad to hear you got it fixed.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III Windows Mobile ROM De] Munchys:
Awesome, fully got it unlocked and everything! Thanks for telling me what I might have missed and messed up on!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Rpearly1:
I was just wondering before my Kaiser arrives if email gets pushed to my phone right when it comes to my email I setup on my phone.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidmonkey:
I read the wiki but it only tells you "Why you should" root your phone. Obviously Google removed root from the latest firmware for a reason. If its for security reasons, how can you be "safe" with a rooted phone? Can you still download paid apps from the App store with a rooted phone? How well does the Apps on the SD card work? The main reason I would want to root my phone is for the SD card app feature. The G1 space sucks ass and its constantly telling me I am low on space.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] UnkzDomain:
When you root your phone, it automatically installs an app called "SuperUser" (assuming you're using one of JesusFreke's builds). SuperUser allows you to control which applications have root privileges.

Also, Google probably removed root because of stuff like the fact that it enables you to copy protected apps and the like... and even if they didn't know at the time, they probably knew that it would happen
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] unknown.soul:
Superuser protects your phone by allowing programs you give permission to that use root. I can still see paid apps in the Market (I haven't bought any yet, but I will). I didn't move my apps onto my SD card because Paragon Partition Manager froze during the partitioning and I had to reinstall Vista :mad:.

The only con is that you have to wait for JF's updates :p
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Craftkiller:
I believe I also read here that rooting your phone voids your warrenty, so if you have a problem with it make sure you switch back to the official firmware before sending it in
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] the.snks:
I'll try to answer your questions the best I can:

-I don't work for Google so be advised this IS pure speculation on my part. With that said, I think they removed root access for the masses to avoid the possibility of folks having their Android handsets compromised by malicious apps.

Though, having root doesn't necessarily mean this WILL happen to you.

So long as you have common sense, and know better to install apps from questionable sources, you'll be fine. Additionally, the JesusFreke firmwares have a "SuperUser Whitelist" app that will ask for escalated privileges whenever a process requires root.

This is provided as another layer of security.

So to say it again, do not allow apps/processes to run unless you KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY DO. Follow that and you won't have any problems.

-Market apps can be installed and used without issue. I have dozens apps installed (and yes, a few paid apps as well) and have had ZERO issues with them. Matter of fact, if you look through the market, you'll see several cool apps that require root (Task Manager, WiFi Tether, etc).

-Far as installing and running apps from the sdcard, I'll defer to someone else because I haven't done it myself. I prefer to wait until an easier, or official method becomes available. Though, I have moved the various caches (Web, Maps, Market, etc) to the sdcard without issue.

That helps to conserve space with the internal memory.

Hopefully that helps you.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidmonkey:
Thanks for all the replies. So is it safe to say that if I only install apps from the Android Market I should be safe? Can programs on the Android Market be malicious? Hopefully Google is monitoring the applications for malicious code.

So, what is the "best" guide to use for rooting a RC33 phone?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] tubaking182:
programs on the market could possibly be malicious, read reviews, i found a game that said it needed the internet, gps, and some other stuff in order to work, but yet the app never used any of those features in the actual gameplay, thus i removed it and reported it as malicious because i frankly don't feel that it should need access to things it isn't gonna use. a general rule is that if a single person said it was malicious then don't install it, and never be the first to install an app. let someone else break their phone first
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] IzzeLing:
The only con for rooting your phone is that people who don't know any better usually end up bricking it. "oooh root yay! i don't know what it duz bat it sounds cool! oh no! i brcked it halp plz"
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Gimpeh:
And you can still unbrick your phone pretty easily.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] androidmonkey:
lol, your quote can be used on a LOL Cat.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] doubleokneegro:
i wouldnt say that waiting for the updates is technically waiting, when you have a rooted phone...

at least for me, i must have been on the bottom of t-mobile's randomized IMEI list when it came to updates.. I used to see people all around me have updates for weeks before me. Coincidentally i was the first to have mine... but the updates are released right from the google site, plus the wait time for JF and others to work their magic.

cant complain with a rooted phone, if anyone is skeptical about it... you CAN reverse the process
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mlevin:
I've moved my apps and caches to the sdcard and now I never have to worry about running low on space.

I followed one of the tutorials about moving the apps, but when paid apps came out, I had some problems. The solution was to move not only the "app" directory but also the "app-private" directory to the sdcard. Once I did that, everything was fine. I am able to install both free and paid apps with no problems. I'm very glad I did it -- no regrets.

I have an 8gb sdcard and I partitioned 1gb to apps and caches (ext2 format) and 7gb to data (fat32 format).
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ri123:
Rooting may be safe to people like you all, but rooting is definitely the downside of android. Sd card blank and file recognition errors are the opposition to what android has made. I will not root my phone again because of the unexpected long term damage this has caused to my phone. I will tell my friends not to root their phone unless they want to turn their android to ruins. These kind of problems happen for absolutely no reason at all.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] brymaster5000:
I disagree with the statement "downside". Android is about open source and customization. The downside to root is that you need to spend a bit of extra time playing with your phone when it doesn't end up going the way you planned or there are bugs in a new Rom. Other than the extra time on the phone, I have not run into a downside. I have not looked back since I rooted.

Sent from my Kang Banged Dinc2
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
I 100% disagree with this statment. having a rooted phone in itself will not cause any errors. even the process of rooting won't brick a phone or cause problems (so long as you understand what you are doing). although there is the way out in right field chance of something going even if everything is done right (very hard to brick a phone if you truley know what you are doing and are sober at the time)

android has always been and (hopefully) always will be open source. the android code it self in pure aosp is in fact rooted. it is the carriers and cell phone makers and such that lock the bootloader and deny privalage. as any linux user knows it is easily possible to damage you phone/pc/etc if you don't know what you are doing, but having root privalage in itself causes no harm - only to the novice.

this stament of unexpected long term damaged caused by root is false, it was caused by someone not knowing what they were doing and shouldn't have root privalages in the first place.

*excuse my spelling errors as rooting a phone doesn't improve my gramar/spelling*
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ri123:
To prevent factory reset bricking I had to move to a different Rom. I knew what I was doing. I returned to stock Rom and factory reset, and every zip I downloaded from my computer could not be recognised properly by my phone.

I know that android is based on pure root, but who should I blame if something goes wrong with my phone? Every rooted phone becomes faulty, why should I pay extra just because I can't download anymore roms?

Think about the random percentage of people that have had their phones bricked just because of rooting problems. I am one of them.

Your statement "only to the novice" is something I disagree with.

I remember when I read a thread about someone's Samsung Vibrant getting hard bricked all of a sudden! Or when I read a Sony Ericsson touchscreen refusing to work after light debugging. These people will most likely be paying for their android phones.

In a way, I do not completely disagree with you. In a way I believe that Android should start believing in its roots.

For the moment, I do not know who to blame for the mess my phone is in. I didn't do things wrong on purpose. So maybe it is better not to root. Maybe it is more advisable to complain to the creator of your phone if there is not "enough", or if there is too much bloatware. Maybe Android should be fixing my HTC! I need to stop all this unnecessary refusal from happening on my android. This is why I find the essence of rooting initially bad. When there is no limits, something can go wrong.

Please may I let you know that my touchscreen is mostly unresponsive. I will be surprised if I have got all of my spelling correct! If I still had the advantage of the warranty, I would be sending my phone straight to HTC to get repaired.

Sent from an unusually unresponsive touchscreen on my HTC Explorer A310e using xda app-developers app
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
I'm not trying to sound rude here but the only blame is to ones self if YOU screw up your phone.

yes you can blame a phone company when the hardware fails from normal use, or your cell phone carrier for adding useless apps. or well blame android for creating an operating system that at its heart allows one to have full access to every part of it.

android doesn't write the radio, android doesn't write the bootloader, they are not firmware or hardware only os. they also are not responsible for a bad rom.

I will say again the act of rooting your phone in itself causes no damage, only when you do something wrong during this process is it possible to brick your phone, and as for the percentage of people who did brick there phone 99.99% of them messed up, that means their own fault.

.01% had a major power surge while phone was updating via fastboot and their computer only coppied a portion of the firmware to the phone and then the dog kicked over the phone knooking the battery out leaving no bootoader... or whatever, it is hard to do this wrong

and again having a rooted phone will intself not brake hardware, not damage firmware, will not cause a single issue

the missue of having root, or the improper method of obtaining root is the only problem, and people who don't know what they are doing (fully understand) well just shouldn't root, or should learn to except blame at the very least...

done with my ranting, good day...:rolleyes:
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ri123:
As I have said,one of the problems with rooting is that people have to move off their Rom in case of factory reset bricking.

0.1% have got the limited service error or the bad zip file error with their phone practically in a trap.

Much more than 0.1% have the sdcard blank error

I understand root enough to install roms and unroot my phone.

I did not do this on purpose, I just installed stock Rom and factory reset and my phone did not work as it intended to.

This is why I shall, in the future, ACCEPT things and rant about my rooting experience to those people who would unconsciously root. More ranting is needed.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
whenever you flash something to your phone expecially firmware you should check the md5sum, its a given and those 0.1% would not have a brick due to a curropt download if they did this so again not the fault of root

having root access WILL NOT cause your sd card slot to quit working, this just has no merrit, having root has just doesn't break hardware in itself, it just doesn't

depending on the phone and how you rooted and if you have an unlocked boot loader and loads of other question need to be figured out before you flash a stock rom, especially from bootloader (if the rom is packaged with a radio, hboot, recovery etc)

once you have true soff you can flash almost anything, including things that shouldn't be flashed. have a security flag is good for this exact purpose, to keep people from flashing what they shouldn't - yes this is how most people brick their phone, they don't fully understand.

and I'm not saying you stupid by I do agree it doesn't take a genius to flash a rom, but knowing the steps that someone has written down is diffrent then undertanding why it works

listen I know you said more ranting is neccessary, but it isn't, the fact is you figured out how to have fun with your phone by following some steps you read in a forum somewhere or watched a youtube video, that's great fun, I know I love it to.

but you didn't bother to figure out why it works or what to do/not to do, because you didn't you made a mistake, it happens, no one thinks less of you.

now you should learn from your mistake and learn to accept blame for making this make, no one told you to do what you did, and you didn't take the time to find out the repercutions of what you were about to do before you damaged your phone.

again root privalages in itself CAN'T harm your phone it just enables you to make a mistake as you have lost some security against it, just as owning a gun won't make you shoot someone but gives you the ability to do so (exuse my analogy as I know it is not apples to apples)

**** happens, get on with your life, no need to rant, no one thinks less of you, learn from mistakes, accept blame when you should... and as always exuse my speeling/grammar errors as root in it self won't make me smarter either

good night
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ri123:
Thanks for the reply.

I feel more people should know the repercussions and 'cons' of rooting so I thought of involving my situation as it could affect someone's choice of rooting.

What is a security flag? My phone is s on and yet it does not work.

Also, what is 'true soff'?
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
when I refur to a s-on/off that has to do with a locked or unlocked bootloader. depending on the device sometimes you can fully remove the son (this is a security flag) a sometimes you may get soff but not true soff, as in without an engienering spl there will still be other security/limitations so you can't mess things up as easy.

true soff, with an eng hboot you will have full options as what you can flash, if its permenent, if it needs to be signed etc

there are even some bootlooaders that are hacked and will show son (like for the dream) but are still mostly soff.

all of this has little to do with root rather having the ability to flash to the nand of a rooted phone.

so again rooting alone may give you the potential for running custom roms, but without remove some security flags you won't be able to change some firmware (radio, spl, sometimes even a custom recovery won't flash)

the harder it is to root and remove security flags the harded it is for people to brick their device
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ri123:
I think that the worst part of rooting is losing the advantage of the warranty. I should have never rooted my HTC the official way.

Htcdev is a maybe a bad way to unlock any HTC bootloader. Unofficial ways do not void the warranty.

I should have just used adb to move my apps to my sdcard. Can the software of stock phones ever be non- restorable? Probably not. People should not doubt the capacity of stock default phones.It must be a bad time when a fortune goes wrong.
[G1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] demkantor:
htc dev offical unlocked bootloader is more or less a crock. this is one of the fake s_offs I was talking about, it will remove some security flags so you can flash an unsigned zip but as soon as you unlock it this way you loose warranty. especially since most phones have already vhad some real smart people figure out how to exploit the phone and get true soff and root. and almost always you are able to return to stock and send the phone in to be fixed, or if you can't return it you can completley brick the phone where it won't turn on and at all and they would never know.

again if it is out of warranty and it breaks, often you can find someone with jtag knowhow to fix it again, a rooted fully unlocked phone is more fixable then a non rooted soff phone, so if the warranty is up there is almost no reason not to root
[G1 Apps and Games] JonFolse:
Finally a new music player. Im testing it out right now. Ive already noticed something it has that I wanted and that bigger album artwork. Its called the mixzing player. And it analyzes your music library and gives you suggestions on music. Its pretty good so far. It won me over with album artwork!!! lol
[G1 Apps and Games] Rafase282:
post some links?
[G1 Apps and Games] SuperUserMovado:
What app are you talking about, I don't see a new music app in the market?
[G1 Apps and Games] JonFolse:
Search for MixZing music player. Its free
[G1 Apps and Games] savethechicken:
Not seeing it in the market, is that where you downloaded it.
[G1 Apps and Games] UnkzDomain:
Looks like it got removed... I saw it earlier and was going to download it...

I hope it doesn't resurface as a paid app...
[G1 Apps and Games] savethechicken:
Do you have the .apk for the version that you can link us to?
[G1 Apps and Games] tannyfiles:
Can't find it on the market. Could you please link us to it. Maybe take a back up of it using Astro file manager, upload it somewhere and link us to it. I hope this is not piracy as the software is free right??
[G1 Apps and Games] johnnylicious:
Download:

http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?mnyonyw3uzf

Enjoy.
[G1 Apps and Games] tannyfiles:
thnx man...it works...cheers...!!!
[G1 Apps and Games] MoridinBG:
It's Lite => There would be a paid version.
[G1 Apps and Games] nolageek:
anyone know if scrobbledroid works with non-stock media players?
[G1 Apps and Games] MoridinBG:
No it doesn't, which is to be expected, as it is written specifically to the default media player. Just listened to the same song on both default and Mixzing and it was only scrobbled after playing on the default player.
[G1 Apps and Games] nolageek:
that sucks. I like to have my music scrobbled. (I still haven't figured out WHY though. lol)
[G1 Apps and Games] chrisrj28:
Yeah I DL'd MixZing before it disappeared and so far it is pretty nice. I am a stickler for album art and the default player is pretty weak in the aspect. I have TuneWiki too but the artwork results are spotty with that. MixZing appears to be a simple reskin of the native music app with suggestions added and larger artwork plus a slightly nicer UI. I just wish they would work on the image resolution for the album art. Every one looks a little blurry. Other thatn that it is definately an improvement over the stock player.
[G1 Apps and Games] SolemnWishing:
overall im pretty happy with it, its a bit slow, and thats my only gripe about it. Otherwise, the album covers look nice so does the interface.
[G1 Apps and Games] yeticomes:
Hi,

I also downloaded the lite version from the link inside this post but how do I get the album artwork (the covers)?!

It is the main reason for me for searching for a better music player and I do not see any cover ...

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[G1 Apps and Games] a1t:
Download link

Thanks for the download! It seems a little bit buggy right now (which may be why it was taken down) There is a lot of potential with this music app.

It currently makes great suggestions with a decent UI.

• Unless you are review the recommended songs, the >>| button only repeats the song.

• Also, when playing the recommended songs, it only plays 30 seconds. - I don't know if this is how it was written or they are using this as a 'preview' to purchase.

• Shows the artist album artwork in the background however, the 'recommendation' field covers most of the image

Thanks again!
[G1 Apps and Games] yeticomes:
Hello,

When I show the recommandation I sometimes get the cover in the backgground of the song.

But how do I get it into the Album list etc.?
[G1 Apps and Games] chrisrj28:
For album covers what I do is sync my music onto my sd card through windows media player. If you use advanced tag editor and add your album art there it will encode it into the file when it syncs to your card.
[G1 Apps and Games] stogchris81:
sorry for the dumb question but how do you install this .zip from phone?
[G1 Apps and Games] yeticomes:
just unzip the file (maybe better with your PC) and install the apk at your G1
[G1 Apps and Games] gPhunk:
Additional File Types?

Can't wait for the full version!

Excuse my ignorance, but is it possible to for mxzing to play other file formats other than mp4? Such a pain having to convert all my music..
[G1 Apps and Games] pjeffe:
And we can't wait to re-release it! Any day now...

MixZing uses the Android media player to play tracks, so it supports all the formats that Android does: MP3, M4A, OGG, 3GP, WAVE and MIDI.

--

Peter Jeffe

MixZing