yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
To tell you the truth, I'm not 100% sure if it's worth the hassle of buying a new microSD. The 10MB of space is nice because, as you said, some things will always get installed into the main storage, but I find (at least with my older, less advanced LZX process in JustMe) that large programs got a small performance hit with the LZX versions. I haven't used any large programs since I created the new LZX process, but at the same time, the new LZX ROMs are faster than ever.

Just to clarify, the white screen that tells you to press down is there for 5 seconds? Or it takes 5 seconds to get to it and it disappears almost instantaneously?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Okay, performance hit. That's what I would want.

I hold the camera button then push the stylus in for a second or two, then I release the stylus, and then it takes about 5 seconds of black before i see the 1/2 second appearance of the white screen, then it immediately goes to the tri-color screen. :(

But, it IS worth it to get the card because the small cards are just $4 or so, and a few days of my time. If it could make a difference in the time it takes for an app to open, that's worth it to me.

i'm off to bed... haven

't yet had chance to even observe the new ROM in action. thank you!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] sambalbij:
fat(32)

How did you format your card?

40 mb in FAT didn't work for me with the microlzx version, but 130 mb FAT32 did (couldn't get a fat32 partition with less than 130 mb).

Good luck.

ps: Great fast, clean and stable rom! Good work!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
As sambalbij said, it has to be FAT32. If it still only take half a second to show up, then the card is too slow.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] marty123:
I wouldn't mind a Micro/PhoneCanvas edition. I have gotten to love that dialer with the roll-up screen lock! I tend to inadvertently push buttons with my cheek/face without it, if I'm not using my bluetooth :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
You can download and install the phone canvas, but it won't have the same skin as my regular JustStable.

I MIGHT release something like this only because of how useful it is.

EDIT: But considering how much space the canvas takes up (4mb) I'd prefer to just release a cab or something with it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
I used WM5torage installed on phone device, activated, then USB connected to PC, which makes the phone's flashcard appear as a local disk to the PC. Then I used standard Windows computer management tools to delete the partition of the microSD card, the create new partition, FAT32, set to 55mb, quick format.

But I had so many problems in the formatting stage, where it would appear to create that size partition, and it would report properly to windows My COmputer as a local drive @55mb size... but when dragging the nbh file to it, had many problems.

That's interesting re 130mb working for you... did you arrive at this number via trial & error?

If so, i will give this a try.

Meanwhile, i have installed the "regular" version -- and it's spectacular. I've loaded the brand new iFonz2 version 0.5.0 and it runs speedily... that's with pocketplayer open and running, and operamini... so far this is a homerun all around!

I am going to do registry tweeks for font sizes of menus and popups, to match my previous rev... and I will note closely if anything in this process somehow messes with the ROM, somehow contributing to slowing it way down... which *seemed* to be the case on the last beta I ran prior to this final release.

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But right now, this is the kind of software performance & user experience windows should have shipped to HTC etc 3 years ago. For 3 years I have not had a phone i could call functional, and cursed windows daily. The PDA functions always worked, but the primary device function, a phone, was just so retarded in its functionality & tiny type... So if we rolled back in time, and this were on the market before iphone premiered, it mught be a different ballgame.

Anyway, thanks ivan, as always.

A ***** five-star ROM, the first for this device.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
I've been using the LZX version of JustStable since the day it was released, and I just wanted to let you know that I love it. I have tried everything I can think of that I would ever want to use on it, and it handles everything like a champ. Thank you so much for your tireless efforts and hard work. You've really developed an amazing thing here.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] marty123:
A themed cab would work fine for me if you were to release one! Great job on the Micro! Just what my wing needed!!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Try this. I haven't tested it, but it might work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] sambalbij:
No, with size set to 120, there was no option to format in fat32, but only fat and ntfs. Maybe the 128mb limit has something to do with my sd, cause last time i used it i succeeded with 50 mb. But you can try it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] marty123:
Made a few calls and played around with it a bit, so far working perfectly! Just to let others know, it does require a soft reset to get it to "take". Thanks again Ivan for all your hard work and awesome roms!!! It is rare to find people who are so giving with their time and talents! It is greatly appreciated!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
I think I figured out the problem with my shutdowns. It looks like a conflict with SMS-Chat. Every time a new SMS is received the browser (Opera Mini or PIE) shuts down. It's not a RAM issue. There is plenty available. SMS-Chat's just a bastard. I'll have to search for a new one. It's too bad, because I really like that app.

Does anyone else use a 3rd-party SMS application?

EDIT: Sorry, off-topic. Someone with power or know-how can delete this post. I'll repost in the main herald forum. I can't figure out how to delete it or I would.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Payforfun:
No way for me to avoid getting around the latest 'nooB tag, but, where was this info listed at?

By that, and obviously brand new to all this, I've tried cramming all of this in until my head hurts ;)

I get the White Screen after the RUU starts to run, however, the Active Sync disconnects, then the Ruu says it's disconnected (Sync) and it's failed. It prompts me to soft reset and it all goes back to what I had before.

I have the .MBH file on my SD, but things like #4 (camera key/soft reset) I hadn't seen those instructions. I went to your Kitchen site, and again, I see the downloads, but not the how to's.

I've read the Newbie thread on this xda site, but obviously doing something wrong.

I will keep trying and be more clear of what steps I'm doing.

Thanks for any guidance

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Forget everything I said 10 minutes ago, it works ;) Even a Computer novice like me can do it

Ivan is THE man!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Micro SD cards and flashing the LZX version

Thanks for the info.

Today I am close to getting this to work. I went out and bought a used 512MB microSD card -- that's the smallest I could find without ordering ebay.

(1) First try i copied the NBH file to the 512MB card, then went into bootloader mode on the phone, but still only got the 1/4 of a second flash of a white screen before the tri-color screen appeared, so I could not get the flash to begin/

(2) Then I thought, okay, I guess I have to partition even the 512MB card... so I did... choosing, randomly, a 70MB partition.... formatting FAT32. (I realized only here that the used card I had copied the .NBH file to had been NTSF format... so maybe the 512MB card would have worked if formatted to Fat32... ). But I went ahead with the partition of 70MB. It accepted the formatting.

(3) I copied the .NBH to the new 70MB FAT 32 partition... went inot bootloader mode -- and finally, yay, I got the white screen that said "Checking SD Contents" and "Do you want to update the IMAGE file?"

(4) I pressed the volume control button down, to "download" the image file from the SD card... and I am not sure how long it is supposed to take for process to complete. When flashing using the PC, it takes 5-7 minutes... So how long typically would I be on this screen using the microSD card?

i may post some photos if i have time.

*** Ivan, did you decided ( Y/ N ) if you were doing one last LZX update with the final changes pulled from your 6.5 ROM?

thanks
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
How do I tell if LZX version is the one running on my phone?

I *may* have gotten this flash to work from SD card... the white screen finally said "Successful", and i think next it said "press any key"... I did, and it went to tricolor screen... which doesn't sound right.

But regardless, from tricolor screen I did a hard reset and then it went through all the auto installs.

I checked Start > Settings > System > About

but I don't know which version I have.

for Storage it says:

Total: 56.94 MB

In Use: 5.19 MB

FREE: 51.75 MB

PROGRAM:

Total: 49.92

In use: 26. 43

Free: 23.49

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thanks
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] sambalbij:
That tricolor screen, i had it too. I think it's normal.

I think this is the lzx. The normal version has 45 mb free storage (i guess).
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It sounds like it flashed ok, but it takes a minute or two before the memory is cleared after rebooting, so that free program memory is a little off.

No, not yet. I'm gonna release it as JustStable V2.

It's a not needed update but it's a little more polished. The only drawback is that it has a little less free space that JustStable as the newer apps take up a little more space.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Still confused, because I looked everywhere here, on your site, on the wingster site, for the specs, so that I would know for sure if it worked, but did not find the specs. Based on reading this, I did a hard reset a few hours ago to reinstall the ROM, after all that was done, i used the device for about half hour. Then I did a soft reset. And went to Start > Settings > System > Memory, and this is what I found. Does it match your records for the LZX version?

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Also, regarding installing from the SD card. I'm not quite sure how long it took to "download" the file (as it states on screen), but longer than it takes for me when I use the PC and the Rom Utility Update. I don't know why, but it did. I went away and came back and then saw this "Success" screen below.

When I pressed "any key" it then displayed the tricolor screen, which confused me since that indicates bootloader mode, and I was done, so i thought. So then, after tri-color screen, i did a hard-reset, and that's why I have no idea if the flash succeeded or not.

So Ivan, is this the sequence you go through? I've read your "how to" thread many times, printed it out, etc. But it just lists about 4-5 steps, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. I've heard people day elsewhere on this site "flashing from SD card is sooo easy and faster". Once I got a small enough partition to make it work on my phone, i expected it to then be boom, boom, boom. :rolleyes:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
So for me, I really request some guidance. THIS right now is the moment I have been waiting for ever since you undertook this great project in Feb. I want to know if, for my purposes of needing max memory to run ifonz, google maps, icontact, operaMini, a music player, and Notes all the time, does the version I now have on my phone have the best memory footprint, so that I can now say "this is it" -- and now I am building up my phone apps and themes from here, with intent to heavily use my phone and not do any new upgrades for 6 months to a year?

If the main stuff that is new with 6.5 is that homepage typography and the invisible honeycomb layout, i don't like either "refinement" from MS. And my guess is that if there are new apps, people will isolate them and offer them here as cabs for add-ons...

This is why I am asking about Just Stable 2. If it will yield me less speed and efficiency for running the above listed apps, I will skip it. If however you anticipate an LZX version of JS2 that has comparable speeds and adds value re performance, I will wait a bit more.

This may be just too impossible to tell, in which case, I am prob good to go... which means I will be making videos of this install process and resulting ROM.

thanks!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I think the confusion is on what you get. You get more STORAGE memory, not Program memory with LZX ROMs.

The process of flasher takes longer with the SD card because the phone buffers the image first in 50mb chunks into memory before flashing itself. The flashing process itself is EXTREMELY fast (you see the actual bar move quickly for a second or two) but the whole process is more time consuming. I just do it because it's easier when I'm no where near a computer with ActiveSync and to flash smaller ROMs which REQUIRE the process. After it's finished it DOES go back to the tricolor screen, since that's where you were heading to when you started the flash but never actually got there. After that, all you need is to soft reset, not hard reset.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
JustStable V2 is just a bit of backporting from JustHome. In my opinion, it's not really worth the flash if you already have JustStable because of the loss of space. It's mostly a "flash this if you want the latest and greatest or if you are gonna flash JustStable but haven't, yet." JustStable V2 just has a lot of upgraded apps (ie the newest GoogleMaps, OperaMini, etc.) and a newer build of Windows Mobile (21046) but hasn't really been tested the way JustStable was.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
This is helpful, thanks. I know you and other XDA cooks will soon tame the 6.5 beast, and produce the leanest cleanest version of it. In meantime, I don't personally want to participate in beta tests of it :)

As for the apps, using your latest Just Stable LZX, the moment I launched Google Maps from your ROM, Google Maps detects it's not latest version and asks if I want to upgrade, so I did.

Opera Mini detects the same thing, right? and displays a link in upper left hand corner that there is a new version.

I thought you'd already pulled the latest into Just Stable, some variant on OperaMini 4.2, right?

But in both cases, this question: When I upgrade these 2 apps on existing ROM, using their upgrade links, does the resulting app use any part of the versions you installed, or does it do a whole new installation of those apps.

My main question would be: Is there an appreciable diffference between the speed & efficiency of my phone running the new Gmaps, and new Opera Mini -- from however JustSTable2 would perform with newer apps cooked in?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The only increase would be from the newer features or bug fixes. It WILL take more storage space, unfortunately. If you want the newest of the newest already built in, you may want to wait until JustStable2, the only problem is that it won't be a super tested release like JustStable was and you'll have a little less memory (although not as less as upgrading the apps in JustStablev1.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Chongie:
Ivan,

I am happy to do some testing for the JustStableV2 rom...

Just say when ;-)...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
UPDATE: Now JustStable V2 has a much nicer updated version of the Rhodium Enhanced Notification. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Nice. I'll think about trying JustStable V2 but I really love WinMo6.5 :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
I apologize for so many questions, because I know you have covered this before, but I am still confused. I had thought the LZX would be better for me with the list of apps I want open all at once.

But if JustStable regular has more program memory, isn't THAT the one i would do better with in terms of my Wing handling the program memory?

Footnote: I just decided I am going to hire a tutor specifically to run Sashimi, then, when that is operational, the issues of reflashing will become moot. I just realized that if I had done that earlier, it would have eliminated 50% of my questions. oh well, onward!

thx
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The memory different is so small, it might as well be non-existant. It is too small to really measure. Neither has a real advantage over each other, other than the LZX version having more space. The speed of opening programs built into the ROM is really where the "hit" comes from but most of the time it is also a moot point.

All in all, the only true, real, very tangable con of using LZX is the fact that it has to be flashed through an SD card.

Having Sashimi set up would eliminate the need for worries when you try a new ROM out. That's why I learned how to cook my info and settings into my ROMs so that I could flash my own ROMs. I did take a quick look at Sashimi and it looks like an extension of the built in Autorun's language and Provxml language... hmm...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
JustStable V2 - for Wing & Herald : Please specify the differences :)

Ivan, I see you've uploaded the JustStable V2 ROMS for Wing & Herald.

Could you please post what are its changes from "version 1"?

Thank you... am shooting video of this download and installation process to Wing.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
you prob know this, as it may have been intentional, but VERSION 2 rom lacks the auto-customizer for T-mobile
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Oh yea, he did upload a newer version. Really, what was there to change? I wanna know, Ivan, cuz right now there's no reason to get the newer version, u know?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
There's a post with a full changelog.

See above answer.

What do you mean the auto-customizer?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Just Stable Version 2 -- link to that thread

LINK TO new thread for JustStable V2:

Oh, I see that now. I'm so used to staying up to date with email notifications on this thread that I almost never look at the Herald ROM development thread list anymore. :rolleyes:

sorry. What I meant was the feature or script you've had on other ROMS of this series: the thing that sets up T-Mobile network configurations for phone & data service.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] roddy816:
I have the same issue. Battery does not last at all. Is there a fix? Are we doing something wrong? I am using JustStable on HTC Herald with an 8GB micro card. I have all of my programs installed to SD card. Other than that, ROM works very fast!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Roddy, please note that this ROM was revised to JustStable v2 ... because the author made numerous fixes and improvements. Go to this thread for specs and download new version: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=518209 . I'm going to guess that maybe the newer version will have solved your problem.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace2khan:
Help

in the above pic where it say to press any key ... while i have i problem at this point , my phone give a security level not clear what to do....?:(
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace2khan:
help again

in the above pic where it say to press any key ... while i have i problem at this point , my phone give a security level not clear what to do....?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Huh? What pic above??

BTW: Please post on the new thread HERE

Write your question on the new thread and try to attach the picture so we can help more. Thanks!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] a_sun_of_beach:
how about a lockscreen link?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
Agreed. (I just did) Consider it a downpayment for his time and effort on his fine work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Well ivan: would this really help? If yes I'll do my best!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I really appreciate this guys!

This would be great, as I really have fun making and porting ROMs. (As frustrating as it is, there's a certain feel of accomplishment that goes along with it.) I would love to keep the phone.

Since I am waiting for the themer (I was just contacted by him (thank you quicksite) and he's working on the themes now.) I started working on a few different ROM variations.

A WM6.5 ROM.

A "GPS" ROM for people who still have a wing but want to use it purely as a GPS device (stripped of all the phone abilities, camera, etc, for SUPER storage and RAM and CPU usage.)

A PDA version.

Maybe, MAYBE I'll try to make a Non-professional version (aka no touchscreen).

Just a few different things to try out. I don't know how successful I'll be at doing that, but it won't hurt to try. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] kobi_eidelman:
"GPS rom"?

is it possible to use wing as gps device or it'll be through google maps?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
That's using a bluetooth GPS device and TomTom or some other mapping software.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] qngds:
thanks for the hard work - just donated to wife phone cause!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] CRE:
I just sent a couple more bucks your way, wish I could send more right now... but hey, it adds up if everyone throws in! (HINT)

Thanks for all your hard work!!!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] prscott1:
We really appreciate your hard work too! I just donated to the phone cause. :)

Again, I'd be glad to alpha test whatever you have now - I have two wings so I can be daring. :cool:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Update: I created a new build version using XIP: 21041 and SYS 21042 (the latest and greatest) and I might be releasing it and 21018 in another thread that will help me test both en mass to find bugs before the graphics are ready.

At the momment, though, I'm working on a better LZX kitchen.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Update: Unthemed Updated Alpha released!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] illconcepts:
flashing now!! Ive been waiting for this one! :D
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
My wife just IM'd me (I'm at work) because her phone just died. I'm gonna let her borrow the Wing while we get her a phone (so it's gonna place the building on hold unless I release untested ROMs that can temporarily brick a phone). So far, we've raised $50 for my wife's phone fund. I REALLY appreciate it guys!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] prscott1:
Woo Hoo! I'm downloading now....

Thank you soooooo much!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lmyers10:
I have been on xda for about 7-8 months now and have never flashed your roms ivan until now..... Man... I think I just found one that I am finally sticking with. Thanks and I appreciate your hard work. I look forward to any future releases.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Good to hear that my alpha release it a keeper. ^_^ If you find any bugs, PLEASE tell me so I can squash them for the Beta and the finally the final release.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] illconcepts:
only thing so far.. not sure if its a bug really but when opening Opera mini from start menu it opens a "open as" menu. Not sure if that was on purpose just thought id share. Great rom so far!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lmyers10:
A quick question sort of off topic. I flashed your rom and everything seems to be in order. exchange server for email mms everything. When I do a soft reset, I still get the open touch splash (from ttrans rom 6.5 biggy)screen before your splash screen starts. Any idea?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] livndeadgrl13:
so far so good, i love the start menu jut what i love and windows live search works great but mms does not, :( im gonna add network config and tmo mms and see if that helps if not i have to go back to the rom im using thats just ok, hopefully it works thanks for all your work :) weather does not seem to work either