yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] xperian:
No offense, but I don't think thats true. Most battery packs for laptops have the battery meter built into the battery itself, constantly monitoring the percentage (that's why the current drops on the shelf, although chemically Li-Ion shouldn't have this problem).

Now with phones it's the same, except that the meter is not in the battery, but outsourced to the phone.

-->In short: You don't have to charge a battery to check the charge, you have to drain it. The charge is monitored continously in hardware, whether you like it or not. So disabling the charging via software won't make a difference on those nA that get drained.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
about Opera, as I said earlier, Opera can be a *****. This coupled with 'logic changes' that need to be made may be the cause of the strange behaviour. A big part of this will be fixed in 0.2. If I don't forget I'll add some button to have you check the 'status' of various things on-the-fly, which will aid in finding issues (if they are stil there).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
GSM is the 'mobile phone network' we use in Europe (and a bunch of other places). CDMA is a different mobile network technology. The HTC Touch HD is one of the devices this should work on.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nir36:
I probably didn't explain myself correctly. the problem is not with the status itself. when you charge a battery, the charger tries to keep the battery charged. it's not the status itself that demands current, but the fact that charging the battery to keep that status stable causes heat. it's like in laptops.. you remove the battery when working on power supply not because the current from the PS overcharges it, but because it creates heat, and besides the fact that it's not healthy for the inside parts, it also creates high current since heat creates higher impedance.

It's not THAT effective in PDAs. what IS effective tho, is that charging your battery to 100% and draining it everytime isn't healthy for it. it's better to charge it 97% of the way and then drain it to 5%... which is only a presicion issue.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yayayay:
Thank you for a great answer. :) I'm a European and are using HTC Touch HD, so I will download this program.

Cheers.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
0.2 released (see first post)

For the download, see the first post.

Changes in this version include:

- Rewritten code to be able to eventually turn it into a service

- Completely rewritten switch logic

There are 3 EXE's includes:

- WMLongLife-MSM: For HTC devices

- WMLongLife-Samsung: For Omnia and i780 using the 900/1800 frequency

- WMLongLife-Samsung-US: For Omnia and i780 using the 850/1900 frequency (United States)

This version still does not include configurable options (leaving this 'til service version). The currently setup options are:

- ScreenOff/2g delay: 10 seconds

- Applist cache refresh: 5 seconds

- ScreenOff->2G: yes

- ScreenOn->3G: no

- ApplistStart->3G: yes

- AppistExit->2G: no

- Idle data disconnect: enabled

- Idle data disconnect timeout: 10 seconds

- Idle data disconnect (applist running): disabled

- Idle data disconnect (screen on): disabled

The "3G applist" currently is:

- WMWifiRouter (also when screen is off)

- Internet Sharing (also when screen is off)

- Opera Mobile 9

- YouTube

- Google Maps

Please let me know if it works for you or not, and which device you are using. Keep in mind that this is still a test version, you should not run it fulltime (yet).

Note that testing has not been as elaborate as I would have wished (specially on the Samsung devices) but I'm out of time for now :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jug6ernaut:
nice update chainfire! will try now and report back.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lulugirl896:
Well, we've certainly heard a lot about the effect of this app on your 'nads. However, lacking them, I'd like to hear how its affecting battery life. Anyone have any feedback or tests performed to give an idea of how much battery its saving?

Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nir36:
This doesn't change battery condition. no need for specific feedbacks.. only if it works or not. what this application does is switch between 2G and 3G according to a specific demand. since 3G kills your battery and 2G doesn't... you will experience a noticable difference if you use 3G often, and not at all if you never use it.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noellenchris:
Ok, 2nd try first try timed out and I don't feel like typing again:mad:

Short version.

Works!

Opera = WAP error but connects

YouTube = error dismissed and not displayed

Battery test using PowerGuard

3g static = 179-108mah 3g usage 800mah spike

2g static = 108-54mah 2g usage 400mah spike

Looks promissing since I use exchange service for mail and 800mah is a battery sucker for just checking mail!

The battery test was short and may be off, so don't think this is hard scientific results!....lol

This version is working good for an early alpha..Thanks Chainfire.:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Completely depends on your use. If you never use a data connection at all there will be virtually no difference. If you have mail being checked in the background (either push or an 'fast' schedule) it can make a big difference. 3G is much harder on the battery than 2G. When using something like the browser you want it to be fast, but for a lot of people most energy is actually spent retrieving mail, while the device is "off" and in your pocket.

Also the idle data disconnect may save some battery as well.

Initial testing tells me with my usage and configuration I save about 50%, but to really test this I would have to do testruns of days, not an hour or so. I will do them eventually, though.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Cool, can you elaborate on what exactly happens with Opera and YouTube? I guess the trouble here is that they attempt to connect to the internet while the program is switching bands - hence giving no service. I'm not sure yet how to prevent that, but we'll undoubtedly figure it out :)

I think with Opera that should only happen when you are using a start-page that's actually on the internet (the the default 'local' page), as by the time Opera is loaded and you've entered an URL manually, the band-switching should be complete.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] g2tl:
While Opera and YouTube work very well, I'm wondering if the 5sec polling interval is significant enough to affect the battery life.

Btw, I didn't get any errors.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jug6ernaut:
When you access something and do not have a data connection it puts off pulling data or displaying no connection till after it has ether successfully no non successfully connected. Mayb if your program could make the phone appear in this intermediate mode during the band switch then once in 3g with data connection allow for data to be pulled. So basically extend the appearance of this intermediate stage from just the connection to data connection to the band switch it might work.

I dont even no if this is possible just an idea :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noellenchris:
I did have media net as my start page, with no start page it's fine. It's totally not an issue for me. I just click the "ok" to dismiss and by that time it's reconnected and 3g is working. My initial battery test were just a quick test, and will not be the same for everyone. But in my configuration and data useage, it should save me about 25-50% on normal days. This program should be the best "tweak" to conserve battery for people using push mail since it can do that fine in 2g. Thanks again chainfire!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Beefheart:
Is there any way to alter the pause time for applications when the band is switching? Sometimes when I'm in a particularly bad area, it takes so long to change bands I'm getting the annoying connection error screen when starting Opera.

Also, can someone just confirm the radio chip setting for the HD2. Cheers.

Superb application by the way.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Bence:
When the program switches from 2g to 3g and opposite...in the mean time if someone calls you at that moment...are you reachable?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Beefheart:
I don't think so, both the phone and data signal bars indicate no availability on mine until the band connection is re-established. This isn't the application though, rather the hardware and Windows Mobile. My HD2 also does this without WMLongLife installed on a manual band switch using Comm Manager.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Bence:
thanks for answer

And how long does it take to be back online?

Is this matter of seconds or it's not in same time like icons are updated?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heavyhms:
Thanks, very useful :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Beefheart:
Between 5 and 10 seconds usually.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Bence:
Thanks for answer
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heavyhms:
Can you instert a "reset to default" function and some preset for most common devices (and a "save as.." for create and eventually sharing configuration)?

Also a useful function is a "update check".

Thank you very much
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fennecus:
Having the same problem on my touch2 (mega)

Idle connections won't be disconnected and the phone stays in 3G all the time (Status says "Wanted: 3G").

v0.62 worked fine :/

Using stock HTC ROM 1.28.407.4 (66092)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heavyhms:
for some hours v0.65 worked fine with my HD2 (rom AxLor Leo v3, radio rom 2.07.51.05), but now does not disconnect data connection anymore (same settings, no progams installed... already tryed many softreset
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sblar:
No disconnection

Same here; on hd2 the idle connections are not disconnected (my main reason for using the app.) I'm using the stock ROM.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Sigh, here we go again.

If the connection is not disconnected but you have the settings configured correctly, it is either NOT IDLE, or NOT IDLE LONG ENOUGH before the phone drops to suspend mode.

The only way to be sure it is disconnected is keeping the phone alive until the idle connection timeout expires. I might add that, but it will probably cost you more power than it actually gains.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Georgeous2008:
No, you are not. Idem when you change bands manually...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] yozart:
Hi everybody, I didn't find how to edit the whitelist. I wanted to add some apps of mine.

Thank you very much
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] diablc:
Chainfire... Thanks for an amazing program... you have done wonders for the WM community... Keep up the good work!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Genix9:
Thanks for the new update. Have OK/Cancel buttons now on WM6.5, and so far it's working well on my Omnia.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Here's a test result with the HD2, ROM 1.48.

I took it out of the charger Friday evening at 18:45. It is now Monday afternoon 14:45 and I have 74% battery left, with minimal use.

Normally it would see about the same amount of use during the weekend (HD2 is work phone), and I would take it out of the charger at around the same time. However I usually put it back in on Monday around noon. So the total time is a few hours shorter, but I usually have around 20% left.

So with latest WMLongLife on my 1.48 Dutch stock ROM HD2 it used about 1/3rd of the power compared to without WMLongLife.

Just FYI. YMMV.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] vdelab:
Hello all,

I am not sure whether it is clear elsewhere in the thread here, but I read something about a Feb 1st deadline?

Actually, I tried to check my WMlonglife configuration today, and I can't open the conf window nor the Band switcher...

It just appears fugitively and then disappear right away...

Edit : I got there is a "peremption" date.... So I will upgrade....

Did I miss something? Edit : Obviously , yes!I did not make the upgrade to v0.65 yet, but I wanted to check the conf before doing so, and now I can't do it.

Other question, when installing the upgrade, does it keep all the previous version settings? I was really pleased with them....

Edit : read the thread, damit!! ;)

Sincerely,

VdL
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dingolino:
Hi Chainfire,

this is unbeliveable good! :D

I am happy with my HD2 at the end of a day having 70-75% left if the day was not too busy.

But having 74% left after 3 days this nothing but great!

Maybe you have a new - even more secret software which is charging your phone withe the phone and wife signal ... :D :cool: :D

So far WMLonglife is working nicely on my HD2 with Dutty´s rom WWE 1.5 multi lang.

Many thanks again!

Best regards

dingolino
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Flukturr:
I wonder, what do you experience after turning phone off via conn.mgr. (I switch off phone radio during nights).

I see there is no "x" mark near radio symbol, but only "..." and shortly after "!" mark.

That makes me think radio stays on and is waiting for pin code, but that drains battery. Although conn.mgr. shows 'Phone off'.

What am I doing wrong because I don't see any less battery consumption yet?

tnx,

F.

Stock ROM 1.48, and radio.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dingolino:
When I was putting my phone into "Flight Mode" I have seen nothing bad with the battery usage.

But I am not on a stock rom since Christmas so I cannot realy comment your situation with the 1.48 stock rom.

Best regards,

dingolino
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] gargon01:
Hi,

Well I'm using the new version of Longlife now after using the old one very successfully on both official and custom roms. All seems to be working well, weather updates etc.. except my yahoo mail which should update once an hour (not direct push) just won't do it any more. I'm using the same settings as the previous version which expired Feb 1 but still no email updates. I'm using Duttys 0.5 rom and the old Longlife worked fine with it. Can anyone who has email update automatically and possibly uses the same rom, let me know their settings incase I'm doing something wrong please?

I'm sure this question has been asked before but why exactly did the old version expire on Feb 1?

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] shaggydabbydo:
I was a bit miffed with WMLongLife as having worked a charm on my H2 for a while it suddently did not work properly, ie, I would try to start the app (or BandSwicher) and it would flash on and off very quickly. OK, ok, I'm a noob and did not realize I had to install the latest version :)

I'm now all happy again and have donated a little something (Transaction ID: 8W363507xxxxxxxxx) :D. Thanks very much for a nice app.

HTC HD 2 T8585

OS - 5.2.21869 (21869.5.0.82)

Manila - 2.5.19211619.0

ROM - 1.66.405.2 (76641) WWE

Radio Version - 2.06.51.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] augustineong:
unable to install new version

hi

I am having problems installing the latest cab. it just says that installation is unsuccessful.

I have already removed the previous version.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Hammerfest:
this app is THE SH|T (Sprint CDMA TP2)

LOVE IT... I do however wish for an easier way to RESET or REMOVE all presets, since its a little to dark for me to see some of the icons (contrast plox! LOL)

Still... I love it... Chainfire with this and your work on the GFX driver, I think your a WINNAR!

seriously though, good work
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mhaish:
Feature request

Good work. I really like the app. There is a feature I would like to be added.

What I like see is if the phone connects to the internet, It should just switch to 3G for any app. When the user manually disconnects it's internet connection or the phone disconnects automatically,the phone should switch to 2G. That way you're using 3G when it's needed.

Keep up the good work.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] azertyuiop99:
Don't work on TG01, band switching disable phone connections.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Hammerfest:
i have an issue... i set opera to need 3G (and its loader) but when i start it, it connects in 1X, it will NOT switch to 3G... if i manually switch to 3G and start Opera it works fine, otherwise it seems to not like to switch to 3G for Opera (as a note havent tried many other apps so dont know for sure on its status! )

Sprint CDMA TP2, Unlocked HSPL/SIM.

Like I said above some features id like to see:

Removal (rest) of all setup programs

A little bit brighter... the application is tad bit dark/dim (make no mistake i like the pure black themes but this is like FADED black)

A switch to TURN OFF WMLongLife instead of having to manually kill (TSKMGR) or uninstall

again I love it...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jamieeeee:
this is a really nice idea!! sounds like one of the most usefull apps there are!!

but im having a little trouble using it.. i have HTC HD2 (dutch stock rom i think 1.66) anyway i think that is becouse i have no good reception where i am. but the problem is this, when i startup a program it takes ages to connect, for example opera isn't loading a web page untill i refresh it a couple of times. i have tried various settings and none of them seem to help.. isn't there a way to setup the program that its not active unless you turn your screen off? anyway nice work working on this project :) i hope you continue!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] siddsm:
anyone knows whats the installation directory for the wmlonglife?

it used to work perfectly fine before...but after a couple of uninstalls, now when i run it, it shows the wmlonglife screen for second then closes down. There is no crash or error msg... reinstalling and soft resetting didnt help either.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DexyG:
Is there any chance you can make an app that only has the "disconnect idle data" functionality of WMLongLife but without the 3G/2G changing? Every single disconnect data app I can find has some sort of band switching too, which I'm not interested in. I was an avid user of WML but I gradually got fed up of the random switches to 2G even after I'd specifically told it not to change band.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] zharptitza:
I love the concept of this, but it doesn't always seem to work for me. I'm trying to use Slacker Radio and I have it set to work even when powered off, I have it set to allow background connections, all of that. After the screen is turned off and it times out the program kills the connection once the song ends and it breaks the constant connection to go get the next song.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Delano.888:
Working great on my omnia2

It really adds a few days to my batterylife, great!

However, now my device doesn't check for new email and weather anymore when it's in my pocket, it only starts the normal hourly-check routine when I turn on the screen. Is there any way to keep it checking hourly while being locked in my pocket?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jamieeeee:
i second that!

and was wondering that same thing!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] siddsm:
I hate the way it keeps getting me to roaming when I turn on the screen. I tried auto 3g and forced 3g when screen turned on, but still no go. If I dont have this app installed, it is always connected to 3g (with or without data connection).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 4D3:
"Screen Locked, In your pocket" i think thats the give-away!! this app is for saving battery so when locked it will not check!

lets say you have your phone in you pocked for 3 hours, your saying your want your HD2 to dial up 3 times for no reason?

that is the EXACT opposite to what this thread is about! i.e. saving battery and gonads!

you 2 are asking for 3 rounds of ball frying for no reason!!

MG
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ZR1000A1:
Nice program. But I have a serious problem using it. Let me explain.

I have Samsung Onmia 2 (GT-I8000L) with Bell Mobility Canada. Bell does not support 2G anymore. So, I'd like to use the program for one purpose only - kill/restore data connection when connecting to/disconnecting from WiFi. The program does it fine with one issue, and it always happens only when the phone loads WMLongLife after reboot. WMLongLife sets GSM band to the one specified in its settings (in my case 850/1900). After that the phone looses the network completely! In Network Settings->Band Selection there are 4 options:

1. Automatic

2. 900/1800

3. 850/1900

4. WCDMA

I have to go there and manually change it to Automatic (bwt, it's the only option that allows the phone to connect to Bell network). So, after I do it once, WMLongLife works fine and does not change the band. But if I need to reset the phone, I have to go through this process all over again:

1. Start the system

2. Force loading WMLongLife by switching the screen off (WMLongLife sets GSM band to 850/1900 -> the phone looses network completely)

3. Go to "Band Selection" settings and manually change it to "Automatic".

4. After that WMLongLife works perfectly. It switches data connection on/off according to WiFi availability. And most importantly, it does not reset GSM band anymore!

My question is: how can I force WMLongLife not to touch GSM band setting on Samsung?

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kenny_hn_mda:
nice app...

but my raphael, using wm6.5 also have serious problems.

i'm not able to uninstall the prog...

after uninstallation the entry is not longer present, but the tool is still in windows folder und restarts after restart of the phone.

i#m not able to connect to any wlan and im not able to use internet connection via active sync.

the idea of the prog is very good, but i about similar problems in other forums.

i think the tool cannot handle correct with wm6.5

now i try to uninstall it by handy. i will extract all settings and registry entries from the cab and delete them manually.

i hope it works. the phone is totally personalzed. it would be a pitty, if i had to hard reset...

this post is for your information. i'm not angry in any way.

greetings
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] EvanCottle1:
I can't believe I've only just come across this!

3G reception is very much marginal where I work (metro area, but in a small but deep valley), and my HD was always draining the battery quite quickly. Now I have an HD2 it's an order of magnitude worse!

With any luck this should solve my problems! I've just installed it, and if it's as pleasing as I'm expecting, expect a donation to come your way, Chainfire!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fratealberto:
It works partially on ACER Neotouch S200

Your application works only partially on my System. i can't see Screen Settings
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] munzab:
ive gone through the manual and i have a question: im using nimbuzz, opera and gmail java and cabbage java to connect and use 3g. however the wmlonglife did not pop up to ask. is it possible to add them to the whitelist application manually?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 3kgt:
Hi all,

First i wanna say Thanks to the Devoloper

Have a little problem and have not read the hole 63 pages :o

I use a HD2

and have read the manual, i use WMLonglife Controlled, but have always only 2g Connections ! and i have a strong 3G signal ?!

Even if i push 3G auto or 3G manual in Bandswitcher section i still get 2G after a while "when the phone is on standby"

My Secound Question is wich Radio chip model should i chose for the HD2 ?

These are my settings

I use the Quallcomm MSM7K, QSD8K

3G Mode - AUto

GSM band - 900/1800

After switching to 3G connect to - None

Restart push mail - Not chosen

Switch to 3G when screen turns on - Not Chosen

Swich to 2G when screen turns off- Not chosen

Screen Off 2G Switch Delay- 45 Sec

Return COntroll to WMlong - Chosen

Show band Switch Notification -Chosen

Vibrate- No

Switch To 3G on Whitelist app- YEs Chosen

Switch to 2G- Not chosen

Internal Cashe-30 Sec

Switch To 2G when Wifi -Yes Chosen

Switch To 2G when usb- No

Discconect idle connections -Yes Chosen

Dissconnect idle when screen on - No

Dissconnect idle when App ruining - Yes

Disslaw background Connect - Yes chosen

Switch to 2G - No
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sallcho:
doesn't work on miri htc hd2 rom v4.1 winmo 6.5.5 latest manila. starts and then instantly crashes. ideas? :)