yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] benko286:
TD" has hardware buttons and zoom extenzion and HD dont, that is what i like on it.

also new manila is a lot better but HD users already have it.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] losdrivare:
I think they are quite different and attract different buyers. The HD is considerably bigger and more like a MID/PDA with a phone, whereas the TD2 is more a phone with MID and PDA functions.

Sure, both phone has almost identical features. But size is also very important, at least to me. Still, I would have liked the TD2 to be more sized like a TD with all screen, no nav wheel and slim buttons, but that's my personal preference. I want the biggest screen in the thinnest smallest package possible and a battery that gets me through a busy day.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] donald-c:
I think the original TD was nicer :(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] the_maker:
You do the math....

DIAMOND 2

General

2G Network	GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

3G Network	HSDPA 900 / 2100

Dimensions	107.9 x 53.1 x 13.7 mm

Weight	117.5 g

Display	Type	TFT touchscreen, 65K colors, 480 x 800 pixels, 3.2 inches

- TouchFLO 3D finger swipe navigation

- Accelerometer sensor for auto-rotate

- Touch-sensitive navigation controls

- Handwriting recognition

- Zoom bar

Standard battery, Li-Ion 1100 mAh

TOUCH HD

General

2G Network	GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900

3G Network	HSDPA 900 / 2100

Dimensions	115 x 62.8 x 12 mm

Weight	146 g

Display	Type	TFT touchscreen, 65K colors

Size	480 x 800 pixels, 3.8 inches

- TouchFLO 3D finger swipe navigation

- Accelerometer sensor for auto-rotate

- Touch-sensitive navigation controls

- Proximity sensor for auto turn-off

- Handwriting recognition

Standard battery, Li-Ion 1350 mAh

The HD has 2h more talk time compared to the D2 in addition.. And the price will be less than the new D2 for 20-30% .. And do u really think that the "new" Manilla will be not available for HD? It will be available before D2 gets the stores, be sure. HTC is using the ingenious XDA forum for testing and developing apps for their phones. All that is developed here is in the "new" Manilla. If you want, you can download all the extras as a .cab file.. Just search :)

That's all i have to say ;)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] benko286:
if i dont have now TD i will buy TP2,it has much better keyboard than TP.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] JesperO:
Yeah, I'm kinda into TP2 too, but I'll have to wait until my 2 year contract runs out with my diamond. And by then there'll probably be a TP3 :P
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] bram_smulders:
In fact, i've bought a Touch HD because of the big 3.8 inch screen, and with dutty's rom i've a exact copy of the td2.

Mayb even better becouse dutty's rom has landscape support, with finally a usable landscape manilla.

I've bought the HD to be at least a year futureproof.

Gr. Bram
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] hkr:
Why always compare these two?

Assume, they came out the same day. Many would choose HD and many TD2. It's just a question of what someone needs.

I had a HD and a TD1 in parallel for 3 weeks and decided to keep the Diamond with the higher capacity battery. For me it is more useful because of the smaller size. I can have it with me everywhere. HD was too big (for my taste) and that's it. I'm shure I'm going for the TD2, even if there would be a HD2 ...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] gkai:
Well, from what I have gathered (mainly from website offering TD2 through pre-order), it seems that TD2 will be CHEAPER than HD. It will be sold at TD1 prices, which indeed is significantly cheaper than touch HD (to give an example, 362€ for TD2 and 462€ for touch HD (without tax, unlocked)). Of course, touch HD price could go down when the new models are introduced, but I would not bet on it...

Thats the main reason why I am currently holding on (I was ready to buy an HD just before Barcelona announcements), together with the smaller size.

The smaller battery and maybe-to-small-for-WVGA screen are why I still considered the HD, but at those price, TD2 win, I hope the battery life during typial use will be roughly the same (lower capacity of the TD2 battery mitigated by smaller thus less power-hungry screen), and that the high pixel density will still be usefull (I am slightly myopic...so I can look at those screen quite close, even getting older...I can still see pixels on my current 3.7'' VGA PDA quite easily, so I guess WVGA 3.2'' will just be usefull - barely ;-) )
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Thom4s:
They can not copyright

- a screen that can detect multiple touches

- the idea of using 2 fingers or sticks or whatever to do anything on the screen

Microsoft had a concept model with multitouch user interface waaaaaay back, so u can't copyright that. Even if Microsoft didn't copyright it, you can't copyright a concept that is not new.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] StuartMaher:
It's not copyright, it's patent, and they are very different beasts. Patents are very fine grained things. So you could not patent a generic "Multi Touch" You would have to specify the exact model you were using and the intneded resulst.

And yes, Apple has patented an awful lot of multi touch technology.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] mital:
It's just going to be the same as all other Windows Mobile phones. Looks great on paper, very promising etc, but until they can make a mobile phone platform that's really designed for touch screens and that doesn't need a reboot every 24 hours, or that doesn't hang when you receive calls or doesn't have bluetooth problems, it's going to be the same disappointment as all other MS phones :/

I am seriously considering moving to blackberry now. The push mail, bluetooth and gps are just too unreliable on my diamond, and I've tried almost every cooked ROM to get this working...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] allenf:
How were they with the standard ROM?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] deechte:
For me the price difference makes me want the TD2 too. It's on pre-order for € 449,-, while the HD is sold for € 619,- in my country. That's 35% more expensive!
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Dynomite232:
anyone ripped the calendar out so we instal it manuly for our diamond 1
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] iceblade997:
it's been done. search on the forums.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Dynomite232:
you talking about the td2 calendar rite ? i dont want the old one that was made already have it
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Jura_ZG:
Tottaly agree. I don't think wm as an operating system is ready for touchscreen only use (Wm7, maybe).

I also like original diamond design more, only thing atractive on diamond 2 is its screen and micro sd slot.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] UltrAsoniC09:
way better but the pro hands down.........
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] demo23019:
Liking the widescreen but common HTC bring somthing new to the table in terms for specs, faster CPU more mem ...ect. No flash for the camera, lack in driver support.

Ill wait for the NVIDIA Tegra devices
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] deechte:
Well, IMHO Nvidia isn't exactly known for great customer care, great drivers etc either. I think they are a lot like HTC, quickly producing a new product and forgetting to support the older products very soon.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
in my opinion Diamond2 is a wast of time & money... it doesn't carry any news, just bigger screen (this means bigger phone too, so it's not a real advantage for some) & few more RAM, the 5mpx camera is just crappy as the 3mpx old one & like all other crappy mobile cameras, above all without flash isn't satisfactory at all in closed spaces (home, office, etc...)

to make a real step forward HTC should have been out with a faster (really faster) CPU, the big problem on this mobile (such as many WM based ones) is the poor performing CPU with a really high demanding OS
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] deechte:
I agree, but only if you're already having a Diamond1. If you're in for a new phone right now, the Diamond1 is already getting an 'older' device. Then you're happy with the slightly updated specs and longer 'support' by HTC and the chefs here of a new Diamond2. Right now I'm owning a Polaris and most chefs have already abandoned it, after slightly more than a year. The Diamond is only a few months younger.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] suiller:
you are right too... but the mean reason why I "adopted" the diamond1 instead of other "bigger" htc devices is that the diamond1 is really small for its functions, very comfortable & easy to carry, in few words a "swiss knife" in your pocket, just a pity for the poor battery but hey! the luminous display sucks a lot, I had a NokiaN95 & it had almost the same battery problem

personally I wouldn't take the Diamond2 only for its dimensions... too big for what it gives
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] gkai:
For me the size is ok, just right :) TD1 would be nice too, bt TD2 is not too large. Touch HD on the other hand, is OK for a PDA but a little bit large for a phone.

The only thing I would change on the TD2 would be a larger screen (with the same resolution). They could have fitted a 3.4'' screen while keeping the overall size exactly the same, just by decreasing the dead space under the buttons and having thinner lateral borders on the left and right of the screen...

The other thing would have been a 1300-1500 mAh battery. Here also, given the thickness increase, I think this would have been doable with normal battery technology.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] emugpp:
What is this "Topaz C" version of the Diamond 2 with the audiojack?

anyone one know if that's coming to Germany this year?

If the Diamond1 had the sound quality of the Touch HD I would have long bought it :/
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] helterskelter:
Surely you mean "stylus free use" cos Windows Mobile is actually the only OS out there that can be used completely without buttons (with the exception of a powerbutton of course).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] x_sliver:
US is not the only one who always to be different. China's 3G standard is based on TD-SCDMA. due to a new standard, there are nearly no phones support it for now.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] paalkr:
Hi guys! A lot of you are complaining about the missing D-PAD. Have you not noticed the arrow keys on the new SIP? To me those are more than enough, and a good substitute for a regular D-PAD. In most of the situation I would need the D-PAD for navigation, the SIP is also needed for typing, especially when writing e-mail or SMS.

Regards,

PK
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] emugpp:
so..does no one have an idea on the Topaz C version, the Diamond2 with the audiojack?
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] Andrewdiamond:
booyaaa

hmm... i wonder if it will have a glas screen i went from iphone3g to my diamond and like it n all but the touchscreen is not as good.

i think they could of made the dpad smaller and have a diamond 2 that looks like a htc diamiond phone..... the design = thumbs down dont like it, still probably get it though :D.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] deechte:
The Diamond2 has it's own forum! You can find it here.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] paalkr:
Hi!

@Moderators! What about moving this thread to the new topaz forum??

Regards,

PK
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] RufusThorne:
To clarify: Only devices with a hardware 'windows' button will be able to (officially) run WM6.5 - this is a deliberate Microsoft marketing ploy. No doubt when 6.5 is released, someone will cook up a working version, but the officiazl stance is that only devices with a windows key will get official 6.5 support. Microsoft are using the diamond2 as the flagship product for WM 6.5, and htc have already announced a free upgrade to 6.5 for it.

Also: the Qualcomm processor speed may not have changed since the original diamond, but it will most certainly have been refined (stepping) so it is capable of executing more simultaneous threads (ie: it has become more efficient)

processor speed in pure MHz means nothing. What matters now is number of cores, number of simultaneous executable threads and efficiency versus power consumption. Sure it's still 500ish MHZ, but it's more than likely been put on steroids.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] fabius88:
I spent 550€ to buy the Diamond, I think that spend 500€ now for diamondII is a platitude. Diamond 2 has a rom that diamond1 can install too. more performance? daaaaaa I can't replace a device with device next (pratically same). nosense.

Diamond for ever
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] dcbrowne:
A good buddy of mine has the new Diamond 2 and I have to say the phone looks real nice but the proformance to my option is slower than the Diamond 1,Didn´t like the touchflo at all and with the same navi TomTom and map as on the Diamond 2 and the Diamond 1 ,My Diamond 1 with TomTom ran a whole lot smoother ,the 5mp camera ,good and fine but still as slow as the 3,2mp camera in the Diamond 1,thze way it looks to me that the Diamond is just a rebuilt Sony Xperia,Come on HTC ,i think ya could have done better with the Diamond 2
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] theomni:
does anyone know if this will ever release under the carriers? I have AT&T--will ATT get this?

$500 is out of my budget right now, so unless the cost can be subsidized somehow, I guess I'll have to stick with my TOuch Pro :-(
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] futurex:
HTC Diamond2 on O2?

Any idea of if and when Diamond2 will be available from O2 (I see that Carphone warehouse is apparently offering it on O2 but I am looking for an UPGRADE on O2, not a new contract!).
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] stuntd97:
There were rumors that both the Diamond 2 and the TP 2 were coming to AT&T this fall. Supposedly they are still on tap for a release in the fall. Hope all things go to plan!:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] incredulous:
The XDA Ignito2 is already out. Phone O2 tomorrow morning and speak to sales, I'm sure they will sort something out for you.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] theomni:
http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/07/31/htc.warhawk.at.fcc/

:-)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV ROM Development] theomni:
When this phone comes out, I don't think it will be worth buying anymore. I was originally plannin on buying it, but instead, I'll just wait a nother 6 months or so for the SnapDragon chipsets to come in. It may cost $300 more, but for double the processor speed, I'd say its worth it.
[Touch Cruise General] MelGibson:
After installation and further removing of PocketCm from my Cruise, i can't no longer scroll contacts using fingers.

Does anyone knows if there's some registry entry or other hack to restore it?

Thanks

Mel
[General Questions and Answers] wanwarlock:
Hi all,

I have an O2 stereo BT headset which is 1 year old. I used it with my prophet previously just fine with S2P. No problems when I press play etc.

Since using it on my Touch Pro, when I press play on it, both WMP/tf3d player would play simulatneously. I have to stop s2p. It is annoying to say the least. I would like to continue to use S2P than wmp/tf3d.

How come I'm having this conflict & what to do about it?

Thanks

Posted it here because I thought it may be a general question rather than a problem with S2P.
[General Questions and Answers] icn4d:
I have the same problem...

I am having the same problems and from the research it looks like the profile for the blue tooth is set to always call up Window Media. I have been using Mort Player with no issues on an older model S9 motorola stereo headset. Now with the new one no go!!! always calls up Windows Media.

I have tried different media players - looks like there was a version of pocket player 4 that bypassed this issue and cut off Windows media player. Unfortunately it jsut doesn't work for my Touch Pro 6.1 stock rom.

i am thinking if anyone out there can make this fix available it must be the XDA people...

Anyone have suggestions, hack, new profile that can fix this annoying issue??? Please???
[General Questions and Answers] wanwarlock:
i thought no body else had this issue but i'm sure other people have it as well.

thanks for the research. tried looking in the registry for a2dp profiles and wmp, but no luck.
[Touch Pro, Fuze Themes and Apps] kamma:
hi,

i would like to know, how to prevent from STK to disappear while the new message received.

thx
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Wow!!!!!

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/
[Touch HD General] Osir1s:
Touch Pro 2 - Possible upgrade to HD? 5mm thicker 30g heavier, slide outkeyboard+3.6" VGA+more

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html

Diamond 2:

3.2" VGA etc

http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Sadly. . . no 3.5 mm jack. Its meant for business people.

Also this:

http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-ceo-windows-mobile-6-5-to-be-announced-this-afternoon/

HOLY CRAP. . .

This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).
[Touch HD General] Osir1s:
I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.
[Touch HD General] ~~Tito~~:
Like I said :D:cool:.

That new TPro is still sexy though :D, but they could have done with out the bezel and all the brushed aluminum(not saying that I don't like).
[Touch HD General] sunnymiu:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2

Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,

however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)

the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated

and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D

Anyone can help me to make a choice?

My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2 :confused:
[Touch HD General] degake:
excellent birthday present....

I think my girlfriend will be pleased when i'll give her the diamond2 for her birthday (hoping it will be available by then) :)

And I will be able to fiddle with it as well :p

Woohoo!! :D

Grtz,

Degake
[Touch HD General] ClownShoes:
What? The girlfriend? :D Sorry! couldn't resist.
[Touch HD General] degake:
I was expecting that someone would give this comment :D

And I truely/deeply hope I can fiddle with the phone and my girlfriend then :D (but best not both at the same time :p)

Grtz,

Degake
[Touch HD General] ahmarchi:
i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch HD General] KennyDies:
Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/
[Touch HD General] Matterhorn:
The Touch Pro 2 is just too heavy for me, the HD is bad enough...same old story, to keyboard or not to keyboard. The WhiteStone is supposed to be the replacement for the HD. Who knows when it will come. Personally I don't care to upgrade my HD because with these new devices come new roms, YES!
[Touch HD General] Sir.B:
i fully believe that the new TouchFLO will be available to the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS

and i can't wait, it seems to have some nice additions and tweaks

o and WinMo 6.5 will definitely be available for the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS (not an official upgrade, but fully awesome)
[Touch HD General] stoolzo:
not impressed

I'm not impressed, i have had three HTC Phones and all have been underpowered due lack of chipset drivers, I will be probably looking towards the omnia HD next, unless HTC decide to shell out the cash for licences for drivers. it winds me up no end that. made I was fooled yet again by HTC into buying one of their half finished handsets.
[Touch HD General] Behold:
Its good more XVGA's are coming out as it means more supported apps. Maybe a google version might help us crack the RGB666 issue.
[Touch HD General] fnordelus:
Hardware Keyboard

I sincerely beleive that the HD (aka beast, aka black stone) is currently the ultimate device. Most people who long for a hardware keyboard must have never used the TouchPal. I have done continuous testing and TouchPal allows me and most other people to type considerable faster. I DO RECCOMEND IT for anyone who has not tried it.

I love what I'm seeing with the new ROMs out there and I'm not worried at all that the brilliant minds of this community will bring it to the world best device. Heck, after WM 6.1 was ported to the BlueAngel than everything is possible here!

I love my HD and these new devices can't even hold a candle to it. 3.8 WVGA display, FM Radio, 5MP camera with Autofocus, GPS, front full 2nd VGA camera, 7 hardware buttons, magnetic stylus, expandable memeory via Micro SD (now up to 32GB) all in a form factor the same size as the iPhone! (who can beat that?!)

Only thing the HD's missing is US 3G support, and Video Out, and a capacitve touchscreen.

Damn I love my HD!!!!!

The only way to make the HD better

The on
[Touch HD General] Kangburra:
LOL yes many of us agree with you there! :eek:
[Touch HD General] Canaan:
I wonder if there's an exact launch date on this. I'm due for an upgrade soon.
[Touch HD General] CorruptedSanity:
Before getting the HD, I was a happy TyTN II user. Sure I wished for at least VGA and a larger screen but I was content (with the technology back then). But when the super sexy HD came out with WVGA and faster performance I was interested but the lack of keyboard held me back till I found out I could manipulate the screen to horizontal for any "serious typing" since the landscape keyboard was almost the same size in length as the physical keyboard. Now with FingerKeyboard (the black & red) I am completely satisfied. I gained light-weight and thin and able to type.

My next upgrade will be for windows 6.5 and the faster processor and video card!
[Touch HD General] degake:
I think my girlfriend will be pleased :D

I just pre-ordered the diamond2 :p

expected delivery date: april 10th :eek:

I'm gonna be so lucky tonight :D

Grtz,

Degake
[Touch HD General] xtac:
Don't be too quick to purchase the latest HTC until their Video problems are ironed out.....i am holding on to my cash..
[Touch HD General] degake:
I know, I know...

But she just wanted a diamond...

And the diamond2 costs only €20 more than the 'old' one :eek:

And my girlfriend isn't really using it for viewing movies :)

Grtz,

Degake

edit: it's the exact same price as the 'old' diamond :eek: (it's the white edition that costs €20 less :))
[Touch HD General] degake:
New Android phone online: HTC Magic (Vodafone)

HTC is on the move... :D
[Touch HD General] russ4h:
Anyone know what American carriers this phone will be available for? Will it be available for Verizon?
[Touch HD General] hofo_mofo:
Again?!? Again another device which comes coupled with HSDPA/WCDMA 900/2100. Yes I understand that those are widely used 3G frequencies out there (especially the 2100 band), but come on please...even an 850/2100 HTC HSDPA/WCDMA device would be great. I was already drooling at the prospect of owning a Telstra branded HTC Touch HD as it came with the 850 band, but i would love a keyboard...grr...damn you HTC..i love you, but seriously i am an inch away from dropping you like 3rd period french (but of course thats an empty threat!!) :D