yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
That would be outstanding.

Which raises a curiosity issue for me: What is the expected life cycle of & relevance of this Wing/Herald phone, compared to always-newer-stuff coming out?

If I am not mistaken, the Kaiser is a predecessor phone to the Herald, and yet I see continuous support & activity for the kaiser (I had the MDA, T-mobile's predecessor to the Wing). It may be just an inaccurate perception, but it seems that there remains much more ongoing support of the Kaiser vis a vis the Herald/Wing. One gauge for that is that 6-9 months ago, there were about 5-6-7 chefs churning out new ROMS and icremental improvements for the Herald/Wing. Now there are very few people developing Wing/Herald ROMS... and 2 of the most current ROMS of the lot are from Microlab (PDAviet) who's not even here and is disinterested in support for that ROM here at XDA (could be a language barrier... speaks very little English), and thanhy, who posted his Iolite blue 6.1 manila ROM and was outa here within a week or two.

ttrans has moved on witha new phone, I have not seen anything recently from papamopps, kidnamedalbert got a G1 and is gone, and my overall perception of this forum as pertains to ROMS is it's a ghosttown. Maybe I am wrong though ??

It's interesting because it's taken me 4 years to get a windows mobile phone finally operating for me in a manner I consider to be baseline user-friendly -- 2 years with MDA, and close to 2 years with Wing, and now I can use my phone as it's meant to be -- a Pocket computer and phone I can make and receive calls on without inadvertently cutting someone off due to acidental touchscreen hits. But the vibe I get is that this particular model is losing ground in area of people who've liked the phone device enough to want to stick with it.

That's fine and for those who can afford to upgrade every few years, more power to you :) .... It makes me wonder though if, after this new ROM comes out, and I find it supports my preferred usage of m2d, or possiblty ifonz 2.0, if that will be it for me in terms of OS versions, until a year from now when maybe OS 7 versions will appear.

So let me ask another new question: Are ROMS that are made for other HTC models ever usable on, for example, the WING... or, are these HTC phones different enough that the chnaces of a Raphael, Opal, Diamond, Iolyte ROM, etc are slim to zero? I guess asked another way, which, if any, other HTC Phone models would most likely share enough specs with the WING that newer ROMS might possibly run on Herald/Wing as well?

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Ivan, this will be the first of your ROMS I will be running, so I am looking forward to this. /qs
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It really depends on the specs of the phone. The Herald/Wing has the same hardware as the MDA so it's actually much older than the device itself and therefore more limited.

The Kaiser is a much more powerful phone and has a lot more hardware features.

I gave up on cooking a while back because of many reasons, but JUST recently decided to cook again. Cooking is a complicated process and it's hard to cook when your only phone is bricked for hours a day while cooking.

Usually, the cooks are the ones that tend to push the envelop and decide to make their own ROMs and therefore tend to switch phones more often.

I've reached the limit of what I can do with this phone personally. I'm getting a great deal from tmobile, though.

They are not interchangeble. They have apps, drives and the memory maping is different.

I'm gonna eat now but later I will post more about what is and is not interchangeble.

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Ivan, this will be the first of your ROMS I will be running, so I am looking forward to this. /qs[/QUOTE]
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Ok, back from my lunch break.

On a stock ROM:

The OEM has a lot of device specific software (like the Camera software).

The SYS is mostly the base Windows Mobile software that Microsoft makes new versions off (this is part of the porting).

The OEM also carries the device specific drivers.

The XIP carries both the kernel specific software as well as some device specific software.

And all the memory mapping is also device specific.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
This new SYS is pretty fat... I'm looking at a diminished amount of storage space, but it IS fast...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I may LZX compress this ROM for some extra space. As long as everyone can live with the one bug that LZX causes. (The XIP shows up as a much older version than it is.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DrogenDiego:
Damn who in hell cares about what it shows rather than what it is :P Please use the LZX Compression because on my current ROM from Ttran I'm always running low on storage space because of all the programs I have to install! Even if I install them to storage card they always use up some space on the main storage. I hope it is as fast as you say :) Can't wait for it anymore gogogo :P Just to give you some extra motivation!

greez alex
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
LZX is great! Why should I need this number ;) space is much more important!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] GiZZy:
Fast is good =]

I could go w/o that much storage space, and dont rly care as for what XIP number it shows as long as it works :P

This sounds better n better with each update =]
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Good to hear. ^_^

I finally got some time today while at work to work on this.

I cleaned up a lot of bugs, added some cleaner theming. Changed a few of the programs in it. I'm in the middle of flashing JustHacked8 (which is actually about 6-7 versions after JustHacked3... I made some other major modifications here and there. ) If I can't find any major bugs, I might release this as an early alpha so people can help me find bugs. Then I can start hacking the XIP a bit for some more RAM and finally finalize the set of programs that I will include. In the end, I hope to release the following:

JustStable -Wing (the keyboard uses the NATIVE keyboard driver, not a hack, so ALL the keys work perfectly.)

JustStable -Herald (the keyboard uses the NATIVE keyboard driver, not a hack, so ALL the keys work perfectly.)

JustStable - Clean Edition -Wing

JustStable - Clean Edition -Herald

JustStable - LZX Edition -Wing

JustStable - LZX Edition -Herald

JustStable - Clean LZX Edition -Wing

JustStable - Clean LZX Edition -Herald

I'm not 100% sure if I will release the "source" kitchen files or not. I MAY end up making a kitchen as usual... I don't know, yet. Time is the biggest issue and it's hard to hack up a xip and fix up things when someone else cooks with one's kitchen.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
So far so good.

I need a good sip. The Default on screen keyboard SUCKS. Does anyone know of any good ones that I can cook? (Some software developers/authors don't like their software cooked.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] unknown123456:
EZInput seems to work out great. In Gullum's version of Manila he used the lite version. I installed the full version that's currently RC2 with RC1 language pack. The thread is at the development thread. It does take up some space though.

Edit

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=426281&highlight=ezinput

Saving you some time because you're working so hard.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] prscott1:
Wow - I'll be a beta tester if you'd like - I always love your work!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] buru898:
The one I use is TouchPal v3 cause the new one seems fat. I love this keyboard cause it also has a copy/cut/paste function that works in opera mini and everything else. It's the only SIP I use and I really dislike the EZ input one.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] xxxjoeshmoxxx:
JustStable - Clean Edition -Wing

I'm looking forward to this rom. I have some questions about it. Will you release it in nbh format? I hope so. I really like using the "Flash Center". :) Also is it windows mobile 6.1? This would be frigg'n epic. If you notice, I'm the guy who can't seem to cook his own rom due to a "cannot find OS.nb file" problem. :(
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It will be in NBH format. It will be just big enough to work with the Flash Center.

It is Windows Mobile 6.1, one of the newer builds.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Here is an Alpha preview.

I'm having HUGE problems with the theming of the dialer. (I'm not a theme maker... maybe someone here can help me.)

The ROM itself is flying fast and so far no major bugs found.

If I can get this dialer themed properly, then I can release this alpha so people can test it and find bugs.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] livndeadgrl13:
oh oh cant wait, thanks so much for all your hard work, :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Chongie:
In that case I will skip 15v14 and wait on my hands for 15v15..

Otherwise I an afraid I can't withstand the temptation to flash my phone ...

Thanks ivan...

P.S. Nice new avatar ;-)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
i'm digging 15v4 so far, except that every time i soft-reset i get the Connection Setup notification telling me "The operator does not exist in the database. Please contact your operator for the connection settings. Conection Setup will redirect you to the Connections screen". when i go to the connection screen, it's all set up with T-Mobile Data and everything looks right. i ran the connection wizard and selected T-Mobile USA, but the notification still comes back every soft-reset. did i miss a post where you say how to fix this?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
15v14 Herlad works great! Thanks!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
hey can u send and recieve MMS man im having trouble on that right now
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I thought I fixed this before I released it... I'll double check this later. Right now, I have 10 minutes to get dress and get to work. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] imsleepy:
Getting the same on my Wing with 15v4 - TMobile USA.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I think I figured out why. I'll be fixed on 15v6 (the current build that I'm working on.) This one has even more things modulized. (Everything that can be. Google Maps doesn't like to be modules.) It's fast BUT there is one big issue which might make me NOT make things into modules... When opening certain apps, they stay in memory (run SUPER fast) but take away that RAM until the next restart...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] rod1189:
Here it is
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
Does Oxios CloseApp take care of that? I always install CloseApp and Hibernate anyway, so if that's the only problem I personally don't mind running that every once in a while. I know you're trying to please everybody, and not everybody uses CloseApp, but just letting you know that if that fixes it, it doesn't bother me.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
QuickMenu already has a built-in Hibernate. It doesn't fix the memory, though, since I think it has something to do with the eXecute In Place. (XIP) I wonder if the memory would drop anymore or if it would refresh the memory itself it needed.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] imsleepy:
Top bar is not working

One more thing:

Icons on a top bar are not working - I click on volume icon or time - Notifications - "No new notifications". Running program icons (left side) are working well.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
That's not broken. It's a feature. It's called the Rhodium Notification Enhancement. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Ivan, even when you use Oxios Hibernate or other such tools that release RAM no longer used by apps?

Wow -- the tradeoffs in life... They can be so... "infuriating" :)

I would love to try this to run tests with the apps I use which I intend to have open at same time:

iFonz, pocket player, icontact, opera mini, total commander ....

If it can handle that, then for me it will be fantastic.

But I can't flash any new roms til i understand how to use sashimi and set it up.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] xecutionkrk:
waiting for next edition upload :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] laafiera:
I installed JustcHome - WM6.5 (Build 21500) and I love it on my wing but now is not syncing with my Pc (window XP) is there any trick to this? my pc see my phone as a mobile device but active sync don't pop up... what can I do to solve this?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] unknown123456:
I like to use Shantz Closeapp/Hibernate and his TodayChanger to constantly free ram in a cycle which is set by user. Look into that.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Wrong thread. Please keep the bug reports within the proper thread as to not scare people into thinking there are bugs where there are none.

As far as how to fix it, it has been mentioned a few times in the JustcHome thread. Open activesync in the phone, go to menu, connections, uncheck, hit ok, go back, check, hit ok.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] laafiera:
My apology Ivan.... and thank you very VERY much!! :-)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nikmel420:
give him a break

im sure its hard enuff whith people askin already for there own prefences on just home while hes still working hard here think how many times u used his kitchen to get everything right for yourself then think how trying to do two roms at once from scratch no kitchen lets not make it harder buy puting things in the wrong place take ten seconds to think b4 u post when he spends countless hours for us. thank u ivan for all your hard work
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I'll be uploading a new build in a few minutes.

This build is modularized. This means more speed at the cost of RAM. Tell me how you guys like it (before I decide to keep things modular or not.)

I have released it in two versions.

15v6 LZX and XPR versions.

The LZX builds have more free storage, but have to be flashed through the SD card.

The XPR builds have less free storage, but can be flashed through the regular way.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] neiltoe:
Waiting patiently I feel like trying something faster and new hehe.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's up.

http://www.4shared.com/dir/14804936/163dec5f/Herald.html
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Downloading right now! I'll test the LZX Version first! I love a lot of storage ;)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
got it im running it on my wing now :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
For the testers of 15v6, if you run into any problems please tell me which version it is (LZX or XPR and W or H.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
Everything is even faster than before MMS is 100% working everything is slick n good no complain IVAN GREAT JOB FOR REALS :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
i'm using 15v6 LZX wing version. i am trying to run through everything i do in the course of a normal day. i used sashimi to reload my owner settings and install all my cabs, and so far everything is running great. i thought 15v4 was a little sluggish, but i can't tell if the modularization makes this one faster or if it's because i decided to take advantage of increased space and install a few things to device memory that i usually install to the storage card. either way, so far i have found zero bugs.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] neiltoe:
15v6wLZX

I am posting this as MMS did not work correctly for me .

I chose the "Picture Message" option and was able to select a picture and begin the send. but received a failure notice. I tried the other "MMS" option and was not able to select an image file. I believe it was looking for a video. I then went to a picture via Pictures & Videos and selected "Send" - "Picture Message (Text/Multimedia)" and the picture was resized (I understand that setting can be adjusted) and still my send was a failure.

Are you still considering uploading a rom without Arcsoft? Or maybe the same setup as with JustMe where we can select and unselect things we want? The rom is super fast and a joy to use.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
With the 15v6 LZX Wing version, when I go to Settings/Personal/Menus and try to deselect Calendar, Help and Phone in order to add a few different apps, there are duplicate entries for each of these, and it will not allow me to deselect those items. I have to go into Windows/Start Menu and manually delete the links. Not sure why there are duplicate entries, but just thought I'd let you know.

It figures that ten minutes after I reported finding zero bugs I find one!

BTW, this same problem existed in 15v4.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
15v6 Herald LZX

Working very nice! Don't use MMS so I didn't test so far!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] neiltoe:
15v6wXPR

I moved on and tried this version and encountered the same problems I listed in this post.

Just so you know when I try to install a different version of Arcsoft on both Wing versions I get this message after attempting to install.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Did you run the Network Wizard?

I just did what you said and was not able to replicate the bug. There was only a single entry and it disabled with only one try. Try hard resetting and doing it again before installing anything. Tell me if you still see the bug.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] neiltoe:
Umm I had to revert back to JustMe for now and I did neglect the network wizard for some reason. My apologies. I need my phone to be operational for the rest of the day I will try it as your prescribed some other time. Thanks
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
NP. It's probably because everyone is used to my ROMs running the network wizard automatically. In this ROM, the version of Network Wizard doesn't run automatically to avoid certain bugs. It has to be run manually. ^_^
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] neiltoe:
Unfortunately I still do not like that version of Arcsoft so I'll concede from testing this rom for you. It is super fast and stable as you intended but I know I will never be happy with the working Arcsoft you have chose. I do not want to hamper your productivity and I understand why you use this version of Arcsoft as it is newer and probably more desirable when developing for people. Your work is great and your dedication is above and beyond. Thank You again.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Like I said, eventually when it goes final, I might release an Arcsoft-less version. (For people who don't MMS and for people who don't like the newer versions of Arcsoft.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Hey Ivan!

I'm sorry to report this, but the LZX Herald Version is very slow!

I flashed 3 Times and made 4 or 5 Hardresets, but I can't get Wisbar Advance Desktop and Wisbar Advance work als they should. I had to do a lot of softresets, because my Herald slowed down. Now I'm testin XPR. I will report as fast as possible.

Btw.: With JustMe LZX I had no Problems! And I had no Problems with the previous 15vX
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
hmm... Maybe our phones can't handle that many modules...

Tell me if the XPR version has the same issue.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
XPR seems to work as fast as ever! Seems to be even faster... strange!

Making one More Hardreset, because SASHIMI didn't work as expected...

EDIT.: The STartup is very slow , but after some Minutes(!!!) everything works

I think I will switch back to 15v4 it was much more useable.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
Have you gone through the video tutorials towards the bottom of this link?

http://www.winmo-experts.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4

I was confused by SASHIMI as well until I watched them.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
I tried reflashing twice, with the same results. Oh well. It's no problem to delete the links in the Start Menu folder, and it's probably just me. No big deal. I love the ROM otherwise.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DrogenDiego:
This is drivin me nuts!!!!! Really just found the first really working ROM for my herald and now i go dancin yesterday and someone must have hit against the lcd screen really hard so its completely broken now...60 bucks for a new one...i will do it though<!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Just downloading and Flashing LZX Herald again. Perhaps something went worng... XPR worked fine after a while.

Edit.:

Now the LZX Version runs very Smooth! Perhaps something went wrong Yesterday Night! Or I was to impatient...

I will report if something new happens! Sorry for bothering you with that!

EDIT 2.:

After a lot of Softresets I must say that the Startup with WA and WAD is very slow! 15v4 was much faster for me.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hizz2k1:
Flashing to the SD card

Hey Ivan

First off, i want ot say your Rom is AWESOME.

Im sorry to ask as i am a noob, but is flashing to the SD the same process as flashing to the actual phone...I want to install the faster version but not quite sure of where to start...:)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Use a storage Card with less than 2GB (no SDHC)

Copy the HEARIMG to the root directory.

Softreset while pressing the Camera button.

follow the Information on Screen!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] v5HMeca:
Many times it will also require you to connect your MicroSD to your computer and use HP USB Format Tool to format your card as FAT32. I'm not sure what the conditions are regarding that, but I do know it wouldn't work for me (and others) unless I did that.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hizz2k1:
Sweet Thanks guys appreciate the help...will try this when i get home
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The next build will have some of the modulized files turned back to files, which actually makes the files smaller... let's see how that goes.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] elazullizard:
I think I have a problem. I've tried installing some new SIPs and they don't open up anymore, just defaulting to WM6 keyboard. I've hard reset, soft reset, reflashed the rom, and I have not been able to use my new SIP. Neither Touchpal nor the Opal keyboards work anymore (although they worked in 15v2) but they don't work in 15v6 LZX. Has anyone else tried those keyboards in this version?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
MMS Issue

Hey ivan is it possible to down grade the arcsot to 4 on ur 15v6 wing version? if u can do u think it will work?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Haven't tried installing anything else. Is anyone else having the same issue

Does it not giving you the option to choose the sip? Or is it just not keeping the sip as default?

Is there a problem with sending and receiving MMS or just a personal preference?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Chongie:
Hey Ivan,

Just wanted to say that your latest ROM is running smoothly on my phone.

No problems found during my daily use of mu phone.

Thanks a Million.....

PS. Am using the Herald version of your 15v6 XPR ROM

CHongie
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hmillar:
I am using 15v6lzx herald. I seem to be having a problem with wlan comm manager. I set up to link to my adsl modem. It connects fine. If I use the comm manager to try and connect, it will not. I have to go through the settings->connections->wifi. If I connect here all works fine. It seems like something happens from comm manager. Thx for all the hard work. Otherwise, it works really well. - got it working again, not sure how. but seems fine, sorry thx
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] thodin:
Ivan, when JustStable will be ready - are you going to release kitchen for it?

I need to add support for russian keyboard, dialer, etc?

Thanks for you great work! :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Hi Ivan!

I'm sorry to report one more "Bug"

i have a battery drain with 15v6 Herald LZX. Battery was at 100% when I disconnected it and didn't use it for 2 hours now there is only 99% battery left. Only the Phone Function was turned on, no backlight, no Wifi, BT or GPRS!

With other Builds it I could leave it for the whole Night until and I had 100% the next day!

ruebyi
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
I think re flashing fixes that problem. 15v6 XPR works great. I am not able to find any bugs.