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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Sense still needs some additional testing and such. I will hopefully be able to do this for the next update.

As for edge vs hsdpa, they are actually different network technologies. To get 5 bars on hsdpa you need to be a lot closer to the hsdpa tower than you need to be to the edge tower to get 5 bars edge. (note I am basing this on gprs, I am not that familiar with edge as we skipped edge completely over here and went straight to umts). I'd say it's likely a coincidence that the number of bars is the same.

Still, I would say it is likely edge will use less power than hsdpa in this case. You could test it, of course. Put it on 2G and see how much power it drains in a day vs putting it in 3G. There's really no way to be completely sure without testing, as stated in the first post, 2G usually significantly lowers power use vs 3G, but it isn't always the case.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Ok, I said no updates, but here is a dev build anyway :)

Some issues are hopefully fixed, and should better support Leo now. Not putting this in the first post just yet.

Power management is improved. The Opera->Wifi->2G->ExitOpera->3G issue is hopefully fixed for real this time. Added code to detect Snapdragon and MSM76xx chips.

Feel free to keep posting your issues or commenting if one of your issues has been fixed. I'd really like some feedback from people with a Touch Pro 2 "WORLD edition" (Sprint TP2, I believe) and TG-01's.

Note: I was unable to replicate the manila weather / twitter / etc issue. Works fine here. Can it be confirmed this issue exist with this version?

DOWNLOAD REMOVED, SEE FIRST POST
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] renegade:
Hi Chainfire,

Great update! The tools now seems to work properly on HD2. I need to do further testing when I get to a place with better 3G cover.

Thanks and keep up the good work, my gonads also appreciate your effort :D.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Karlos G:
Great work thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] snowblindd:
hey Chainfire, great app !! Just one question: When my phone is in 2g(edge) and let.s say i whant to start opera, wmlonglife will automatically change to 3g auto (which chooses 3g when available and 2g when not) so far so good. BUT when my phone changes to 3g auto it still detects 2g only for a minute and so, and just after that it detects 3g network (even if my 3g covarage is full). If i switch to 3gonly, it detects automatically 3g so no problems there.

Not sure if you understood quite exactly what i was saing but in short ... when switching to 3gauto it doesn.t detect 3g just after a minute or so, even though i have full signal covarage. Any ideeas?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Unfortunately, that is normal behaviour for most devices, not much can be done about it. There is an option in WMLongLife to always switch to 3g only instead of 3g auto though.

Also note that the icon is not always correct, and is slow to update. It wouldn't be the first time I'm downloading at a full 3.6mbit on my phone but it will still happily show G on the caption bar.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Nagrom Nniuq:
I'll be testing it on Tp2 Sprint. I'll let you know my findings.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Some things I'd like to know is which radio type it autodetects for you (should be [CDMA] variant) and whether band-switcher can actually switch between the 2g/3g-auto/3g-only modes.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] snowblindd:
just tested the latest version with the 3g(only) option and it seems to freeze my device, using 3g(auto) works just fine, could be just my HD2...can someone test it and see if it does the same?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Karlos G:
Just some feedback for you on my HD2....

With wifi on and connected (at my home so good signal), when I open Opera or IE the phone looses the 2G signal for aout 10 seconds then reconnects again to the 2G signal, also when I turn the screen on from being off it connects from 2G to 3G for about a minute then returns to 2G again but this does not happen every time it seems a bit random (to my knowledge nothing is accessing the internet at that time and it does it with wifi on or off).

Karlos.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Nagrom Nniuq:
I haven't tested the new one out, but the old one autodetects the TP2 as GSM. All the switching works fine.

I should have the new version tested tomorrow.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] snowblindd:
As far as i tested the new version only detects snapdragon at first install (reinstalled and it only detects qualcomm) and if i chose 3g(only) when accessing whitelisted apps it freezes, other than this it works fine.(using HD2)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hani1:
i have a question. my network is 2g only, how can i make the phone 2g only? also, would that increase battery life? thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] LittleH79:
Tested both versions on my HD2 but neither of them seem to disconnect internet connection after 60 seconds when screen is turned off.

Can't get it to work. Anyone suggestions?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] owziee:
I've read that 3G uses less battery than 2G in standby mode... Isn't that correct?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Bagpuss:
Just installed on my HD2, as I really wanted the auto disconnect on idle feature.

This seems to work okay, but doesn't always terminate the connection as quickly as I might expect.

I don't have any 3G coverage near me, so I've disabled all of the 'switch to 3G' functionality currently. Basically, anywhere it says 'Switch to 3G' or 'Switch to 2G', I've unchecked the boxes.

Given that the 'Switch to 3G on application launch' and 'Switch on 2G on application close' settings are turned off, I expected that all of the whitelist settings would be ignored.

However, when I start Opera, or any other whitelisted app (Google Maps for example), the phone pops up a dialogue saying that it's switching to 3G. This results in a loss of connection briefly while the phone searches for a 3G connection. It then falls back to 2G.

This happens even when Wifi is enabled and connected to a working access point.

Is this expected behaviour, or a bug?

Finally, a huge thanks to Chainfire for his work on this application. It's very useful.

Bagpuss.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Will check this out.

The connection is only disconnected when the screen is off if the phone is in "unattended" mode (awake but screen off), not if it is in actual true sleep mode. If the phone is an actual true sleep mode ("suspend"), it doesn't make any difference if there is a connection or not for power use. All sorts of background programs may enable "unattended" mode. For example, if your phone checks email every 15 minutes, it will awake from suspended mode into unattended mode, check the mail, then drop back to suspend mode.

WMLL will only disconnect your connections when needed (unless you stumbled on a bug, which is quite possible).

Under ideal conditions, yes. Sadly the fact is that 95% of the time you are not in these ideal conditions.

Yes, the phone will not be searching for a 3G network, which will save (quite a bit of) power.

If all the functionality from WMLL you need is just your phone to be 2G only, you can configure this on most WM phones. How exactly to do it depends on your phone, though.

That does sound like a bug, yes (order of which settings take priority). See my reply to hani1 and h.vanleeuwen above for your other comments.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hani1:
thanks. what about band frequency? should i leave it auto? (cos thre are two gsm + umts) options.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
If you're using a HTC phone leave the bottom selection box with the frequencies on auto, and put the top one on GSM (?)... not WCDMA at least. Sorry don't remember exactly what the text in the boxes was :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] s88:
B7330

Can this work on non-touch screen win mo phones?. I am using B7330 with 6.5
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pnharrison:
Working on HD2

Have been trying the new dev build on my HD2 for a couple of days now, and it seems to be working fine.

Excellent app.

(although I have noticed that if I don't give WMML enough time to be "ready" before I start using the phone after a soft reset, it still seems to still switch ok but doesn't give any notifications of band changes, no pop-ups or vibrations)

One suggestion; any possibility to place/change an Icon in the top notification bar to show at a glance which band (3G / 2G) WMML is requesting.

PH

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HD2 unlocked on T-Mobile UK
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dingolino:
Hi,

I am using it since a couple of days on my german HD2 non branded device.

So far it looks like that it is working fine.

GREAT APPLICATION!

I am using Lotus Notes Travler for retrieving my emails. And this is causing problems in the actual version 8.5.1

Nothing WMLongLife or any other application is responsible for.

It looks like that it would be quite helpfull for me if I could switch on the Data connection on a timely basis, let´s say every hour for xy minutes and than hard disconnect.

It would even more great if this could combined with

- battery status, sp that this is only working if battery level is larger than xyz

- That is from 6am in the morning till 11 pm

I am aware that is would bring a quite larger complexity to the programm and that this most likely not on your target list.

Best regards,

dingolino
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tcoopersmith:
problem with youtube

I've installed this cab file and all seems to work fine. data disconnects pretty soon after i turn the screen off. however, i can't seem to connect to the youtube shortcut?! it loads up (data is connected) but it never properly connects to youtube? any help on what to do? thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] elosogrande7076:
Great work Chainfire! I am using the latest version and its working great on my Sprint TP. The only thing i can see right now is that the settings dont stick aftere a reset. Upon reset, i notice that the settings are back to default. not really a deal breaker, i just have to remember to set things back to the way i like them but thought u might want to know. Also, i believe the data connection is cutting off properly, but due to having the settings constantly i havent been able verify that for my phone but will try to see. Great work and thanks again.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kanzen:
Thank you for your reply!!

I'm so sorry for my late reply... pc crashed and required a total re-install.. (damn windows..)

But yes, I mean a option to completely disallow all data connections when roaming. Also on 2G. So that you know for sure that when you turn on your phone in the moring, you don't find it having sent and received all sorts of data at night when you were asleep.

I've turned off all "auto" settings in online hungry programs, but sometimes I still catch it being connected, even though I disconnected from data connections.

That would make the program complete.. That and HD2 support of course... :-)

I'm looking forward to your update!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fyase:
I didn't undenstand... so now it's normal that the program on my leo don't disconnect idle connection after some time?

thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] kchris:
for me this application doesn't work at all. I've tried every setting, soft reset a couple of times (HD2), but it simply DOES NOT change the mode (3G/2G). :( 2 hours gone away :(. It only changes the band with the manual band controller...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Black1982:
I also can't get the app to change to G after screen turns off.:(

Debug shows Coverage : 3G

app/3g: app/ex

Conn/2G: none

Wanted: 3G

Abort: None

version 0.62.0219

Maybe the app doesn't detect screen off? Or something to do with the ROM?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] KB24@CL:
this!

everything works fine but my youtube app just doesn't want to show anything. It loads for like a minute and then it just gives up! lol

are we going to get an update in the forseeable future?

this is too nice to suffer from youtube...:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] KB24@CL:
ok ok, the problem is found

when you allowbackground connections, then youtube works fine.

it stops working when you disallowit which is important tho IMO.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
on my leo it's working strangely.

Data connection is killed after required time, although with the screen turned off I can't receive emails.

Once switched on if will download the emails in few seconds.

Without the app system was working good without any sense update but only outlook updates.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sgro:
I just wanted to submit some feedback on my usage on HTC HD2.

My carrier (H3G Italia) only supports 3G as far as I know, so I disabled all band switching options. Then I set idle data disconnect after 60 seconds.

I enabled all HTC Sense auto-downloads such as facebook, twitter, weather, email, etc.

The program works so far as I expect: keeps my phone on 3G all the time, and disconnects data after 60 seconds of idle use.

So, great app, for me at least. Keep it up.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
Does it download emails etc while on standby mode?

On my Leo it doesn't seem to work. While on standby nothing happends. No email, no weather, nothing.

When I turn it on it will all of sudden download emails etc.

I have only disabled bandswitch options... I wonder what's wrong with my settings.

Could you please share yours?

Grazie!/Thanks!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sgro:
Actually, I didn't test it so well.

My behavior is like yours. It does connect on standby when some "timer" kicks in (like check email every xx minutes or twitter etc) but data isn't actually updated.

So well, I might as well uninstall it and leave my data connection always on (after all, I have 10gbyte / month with no hour fee).

My only concern is battery usage.. We'll have to wait until WMLongLife gets updated to work properly with HD2
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
DATA connection will definitely kill you battery life.

I have also tried with advanced config to set 15sec for disconnection.

It worked for half a day then I found a connection on for 30 mins.

I am starting to get angry.

I hope that Chainfair will finish the rewriting soon... I really hope to be an early beta tester. ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
Sorted!

3rd tab>tmail and htc stuff... disconnect time > off.

2nd tab> terminate data connection if idle.

Working great! (till now)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] davelond:
this is a great idea, couldn't get it to work on my touch pro though, it changes to 2g but not back to 3g
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Sgro:
I assume you're italian (like me) and you're using H3G (like me).

I tried your settings, all timers to OFF in the 3rd tab, and disconnect data if idle on 2nd tab.

My connections stays on forever. What could possibily be...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chrissicom:
Same for me. Are you sure it works on your HD2??? This app is great but it only supports MCM devices, which the HD2 is not.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Test version (not finished yet) for HD2 was posted a few pages back:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=5007510&postcount=441
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Bence:
Anyone found a solution yet?

And how update works anyway?

I've set weather settings to update once in 24h...it was arround 18:00...when I woke up there was an active data connection...and the weather was not updated...and I dont use any other auto-update option...so why did my phone decide to connect?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
Using this version my HD2 disconnects properly afteremail check.

It is not perfect (once the connection remained open till I turn on the screen) but it works.

another annoying bug is that when disconnecting wifi it goes to 2g and I have to use the band switcher app at least twice to come back to 3g.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SimonW500:
Great program - look forward to continued dev work on the HD2 platform.

Question: should it actually say 'Snapdragon' when using it on a HD2? 'Cos mine doesn't although seems to be working ok.

Suggestion: have you thought about including options to control the reg keys relating to power management feature of WM devices? I realise you're looking at this from a network/band perspective, although I for one would certainly find it handy if your power management app was a one shop stop for all such things! :)

Keep up the good work! :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] osash2000:
does it work for HD2
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
Have you read last couple of posts?

Any news on the rewriting?

This is definitely a must have app!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] osash2000:
i did put in my HD2..the issue is like this .....when the phone in on the WiFi or the USB the app does work as it should for me ...however..as soon as i turn the WiFi off or disconnect the UBS it immediately connect to the 3g or 2g connectin as if it doing thing by default...even if i tried to turn the connection off from the CommManager it didn't work!?..any ideas:confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] young blade:
I like the program but what must i do so it wont switch to 2G...

I only want 3G automation ---> on\off...:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JJKameR:
Well I have uninstalled the app since it completely stop working yesterday.

Nothing was installed or changed in the meanwhile.

I still had the wifi bug that was the only trace that the app was running.

Waiting for the rewriting anxiously...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cooter42010:
Chainfire

dont give up,, folks everywhere hate the 3g .. tilt 2 folks like me were suckered when buying.. i havent tried the app but am nervous to try as it is a new device.. but these people in the wireless shouldnt have half of a area 3g and other 2g.. keep working man.. you will prevail.. i am a tenure customer that is about to have to cancel over the 3g falocy.. i have faith in everyone in xda,, i had a fuze.. thank you for what you do.. im a mechanic,, trust me .. thanks makes alot.. dont give up chainfire.. the world is watching..but,, is this a cab or separate files.. mine wasnt in "cab" format..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] cooter42010:
correction

had winrar installed making it archive..my bad..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Bence:
So...I dont know if I should install it or now..I would like that data connection close itself...but..I see that some people have bugs after installing it...I dont want that data connection will be established forever after I install this and it doesnt work...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lancelot54:
One of the best apps on XDA !! Thanks for your hard work ! (on HD2)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Genix9:
Great app with a lot of potential!

A question for the confused though - Once settings have been set, etc. how do you exit the WMLLconfig app and save settings? Do you ned to soft-reset from the config app to apply settings and get the background process updated?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bwirum:
Very nice piece of software, running it flawlessly on an HTC HD2 now, if you want to update your list. It did suggest the Samsung radio chip upon install, but that's the only thing I felt like changing.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SubComMarcos:
Can it work with nontouch devices??

I have a samsung B7330 and I appreciate very much this appl!

Unfortunately it doesn't work with nontouch phones!

Can anyone help me?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Breit:
i'm using this wonderful app on a samsung omnia 2. however after upgrading the rom from IK5 to the newest IL2 rom wmlonglife turns into 'wmveryshortlife' because of 80-100% cpu usage. is this a known issue with this rom-version? any tweaks, tricks, voodoo known to bypass this problem?

thanks in advance and thanks for making great apps like this. i hope the issue can be resolved, don't wanna miss this app anymore.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SubComMarcos:
Please can anyone add the support for nontouch devices?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ricardosilvestre:
ADD another app to the whitelist

The best app on XDA ! Thanks for your hard work :)

How can i add a new application (my own) to the whitelist?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ColdFire_:
A great app !! Thanks for it :) But it really will stop working on the first of February, 2010.??
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fabiohty:
Hi! I have a 2G only SIM CARD, if I use this app will change anything?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Timppa83:
Wondering the same thing?!? :confused:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SubComMarcos:
Can anyone help with nontouch device??

Is there a way to make it work witn nontoouch devices??

Please help!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Georgeous2008:
Very easy, simply run your app while WMLongLife is running in the background, you will be asked for the settings to adopt ...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] SubComMarcos:
Non touch device

Can anyone may be working this great apll with wm 6.5 non touch device???
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Interesting, will be looked at.

Latest update should select MSM7K/QSD8K automatically. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with power management at the moment. It might eventually make it's way in.

Will be looked into, if it is due to WMLL.

So you just want to disable data connection when coverage is 3G, if not, disable? Or what exactly?

Welcome :)

Just click the ok button... Most settings apply immediately, though some may take up to a minute to go active. If you are using a 6.5.1 or 6.5.3 build you may be missing the OK button. I have fixed this in my dev build already, but I'm not sure if that was included in the temporary-test-update I released for the HD2 a few pages back. It will be in next update.

Non-touch-screen phones are currently not supported and probably won't be supported in the future either.

I'll see if I can get IL2 running on my O2 and figure what is going on.

If your app is using Comm Manager like it should, you should be asked to configure it on first run.

Yes, but an update will be released before that time.

I would suggest if you only have a 2G card to not use this app, but simply force your phone to look for and use 2G only. Disabling it searching for 3G may save you a lot of power.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Notes on rewrite, priority and future versions

Notes on rewrite, priority and future versions ...

As you may have noticed WMLL is not my highest priority project. It takes a lot of work to build and test, and it currently seems like it may be impossible to ever get it accepted to marketplace.

I will keep working on it, and there will be a new version released before this one stops working on the 1st of February. However, it seems unlikely all the fixes and improvements I actually want to put in there will make it.

As stated before I am also working on a complete rewrite of the core. This is also a lengthy process - and I assure you the first release of that version will be very buggy and will take some time to clean up.

Just FYI.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] dingolino:
I think this is nothing but fair and is called a "development" and is therefore a necessary procedure to go through.

Because the existing version is working so far but is stopping at 1st of February - could it be a compromise to remove the time limit that IF there are problems with the new and rewritten version that there is a chance to switch back to the working one?

For my personal use this application is much more important than the 3D driver improvements (and a like to play games as well ...)

Best regards & Thank you for the update !!!!

dingolino
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
It is very unlikely the version I will release in January already has the rewritten core... In the odd chance that it would, I would also release an updated version with the old core... but the more people 'switch' the faster it'll go.