yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Yea, so basically, in the Text/Multimedia section of Messaging, there's threaded SMS, right? Ok, so you can go to a conversation with a contact, and when you go to that conversation, it opens up your conversation history, etc, it opens up the "thread". So, you're in the thread and you write a new message to your friend. The message goes above into the thread as sent, but it appears bolded, as unread. In order to clear that "unread" status, you have to close out of the thread and then re-open it. The problem is, is that when you just stay in that thread for a while and you don't close out of it, every message that you send or recieve in that thread shows as unread and stays that way. If you want to get rid of those unread status messages, which cumulate to a large number, then you either have to press down on the D-Pad through each and every unread message or close and open that thread however many times there is an unread message. It should be so when you reply to the message in the thread, the previous one shows as "read", and when you send a message, your own message automatically shows as "read". The way it is now is just really unlogical, so go check it out yourself and you'll understand.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
I delt with this the first time i used ivan's rom. Yes its annoying. closing and opening the sms is the same thing as opening the thread and pressing down on the d pad. Its just annoying. As to how to get the sms to become read instantly WHILE your actualy texting a friend and/or make it 'read all' when you hit that [you have 34321 unread msg's] instantly for that thread you read then i guess we will just have to wait for the chef to give his imput.

On the other hand, i can see why someonewould want it to be unread even though you are in the same tread actively typing. Its for those of you that are so fast (or lazy) that you actualy miss what the person said. I find it usefull when i sms a friend but that person doesnt answer for hours then i quick reply something without actualy reading what that person said. All in all, its up to the chef what he wants to put in his rom that was originally ment for his own personal use. We are lucky that he releases his personaly hand customized roms.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
No WMM

first i want to thank you for making such a good rom. it is the fastest and best i have tried so far. im just having one little problem

My Wlan router has WMM (Wi-Fi Multimedia). Its a newer wlan protocol. if you want to read up on it look here:

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa916767.aspx

the problem is i cant deactivate it and my herald cant connect!

i think this has something to do with your rom. with OTP v7.7 Manilla 2D Biggy I could connect to the wlan (but the rest of the rom wasnt too good.)

so if you could look into this i would be ever so glad!

thanks for the good work! keep it up!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
This is the first time someone describe it to me with enough detail for me to understand it. Does this happen in other ROMs? I'm not sure what would cause it, since the threaded messages part comes from the SYS which I don't modify much other than to port it... unless it's a setting for 6.0 that gets pushed in through the OEM. If it doesn't happen in other ROMs, I'm gonna have to research why this happens.

Strange, I don't see how the WMM would affect how the phone connects to it. Further more, from my understanding, WM6 and up has support for WMM/APSD, I just don't know where that support comes in from (from the cooking sense.) I'll have to do some research.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] elazullizard:
ah, I see. Sorry about that, but I had never tested any sync playlists with it...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The MMS work, I know that much, but what is the whole thing about size about?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
Ivan,

I am VERY excited about the new release. I've tried many different custom ROMs but keep coming back to yours. Just2Clean was great, and right now I'm using JustME and I love it. I scrub the RAM a few times a day but I think that's because I use it so much and have to keep Hibernating and CloseApping (that's a word, right?).

As far as themes go, I thought the original screens you posted were fine, for me anyway. I like the clean black design best, which is one of my favorite things about the other two ROMs of yours I've used. I know I'm in the minority here, but clean black works for me.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The theme style won't change much, it's just that I was having a problem getting the dialer themed so you won't loose the look. ^_^

I almost feel like releasing a stripped prealpha just so people can see how it runs.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] buru898:
Alright sorry for not responding sooner and here are a few of the many posts of people asking about the MMS issue where pictures come in at 160x120 regardless of the settings or anything else:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=430496

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=240471

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=298222&page=3

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-298222.html

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-453340.html

http://xdaforums.com/archive/index.php/t-275586.html

It really is an annoying issue and I'm kind of surprised that you don't know about it.

And the 3rd link has a post about how the way I solve the MMS issue on the ROM I'm using but it doesn't work for the newer ROMs for some reason :).

Oh and I wouldn't mind a decent visually looking ROM that runs amazingly nice. And you could release it and when the skinner makes all the skins couldn't you just pack it all in one cab that would install all of it? Just a suggestion.

Heh but please let the MMS issue be solved :(.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The MMS DO work, I just don't know about the size limitation. I'll read on it. At work right now.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] buru898:
Well yeah the MMS works, never said anything about that... it's the size issue I was worried about :p.

But can't wait for your ROM and thanks for cooking such an awesome one ivan. I thought I was going to have to use this ROM forever and always be outdated.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
This isn't really a preview, but I was bored... lol

Tmobile wing speed of switching to landscape vs unfinished JustStable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As1R7M7KJOA
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
Nice! That switching speed looks good.

Now you're just teasing us by letting us see a glimpse of it in action!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DrogenDiego:
grrr ^^ thats mean how am i supposed to chill now...Lookin in this forum every hour now to see when the alpha finally is on so I can change from my crappy actual running phone...It's so unstable at the moment dunno why but the tf3d just uses too much ram for my taste...

So excited about this keep the great work up!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] sambalbij:
hehe, same "problem" here
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Same here! :D
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Just letting everyone know, I'm still around.

News:

The themer should be back from his vacationn soon.

I am switching to a new kitchen. I'm testing it as we speak. It will make it easier for me to port ROMs. After I finish this ROM, I will try porting a WM6.5 ROM (build 21193). I bought a G1 and now I can cook for the Herald/wing without having to worry about not having a working phone. My friend offered me some money for it, but I don't know if I want to get rid of it, especially now that I can try to port wm6.5 on to it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ruebyi:
Please don't sell your Herald!!! Please! :eek:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Well, I successfully ported the newest WM6.5 build. It's got a LOT of issues to iron out (they might be fixable by me) but it is FAAAAAST! (I haven't tried the start menu since I replaced it with QuickMenu but I am going to do that right now.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I'm trying to keep it but my wife wants me to somehow offset the cost of the G1. (Her phone is on its last leg and she needs a new one, but she doesn't want something as complicated to use or as bulky as the Wing. She wants me to sell it to make enough cash to buy a much needed phone for her.)

Anyhoo, off I go to work on that WM6.5 21193 build. (Still waiting for my themer for JustStable.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] GiZZy:
Yay glad 2 hear you started playing with 6.5. Is it possible that you might make a rom off it ? from what ive read in the 6.5 thread i believe noone really likes the new start menu so QuickMenu would be great =]

And i really like 6.5 its much more touch friendly. Still cant wait for Just Stable to come out =] Keep up to great work ivan
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] illconcepts:
Cant wait for the release! :D
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] qball1616:
Help Ivan Keep His Herald!!!!

Since everyone loves Ivan's great ROM's that he creates for the herald and wants him to keep his phone that he is not using so he can keep turning out great ROMS for our phones let's everyone donate some money to him for all of his hard work to help him keep his phone and be able to buy his wife a new phone
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Seems that the "sms bug" is actually a feature of the newer builds to help you keep track of your newer conversations. lol Only way to "fix" it is to use an older version of the SMS dll's...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pseudoheld:
thanks mate!

i will try and reinstall your rom and fiddle around a bit.

will tell you if i get it working!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
Have you guys seen the new wing II? Its projected release date is in july. Im going to get it when it comes out. :grin: http://d474rpr.com/?cat=39
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
um idk about other ROM's really. It happened in all of your previous JustStable's and in the current Beta 3. Also, I think it happened in JustcHome.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Yea, it's a new feature that only appeared in the newer builds from MS. lol
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
SMS Bug: Verified Fixed.

WMM Bug: Not sure where to even begin... Sorry, I'll just release a hotfix later on for it if I figure it out (cab file.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Chongie:
Hi Ivan,

Is this SMS-bug fix going to be available in a new BETA or is it directly going into the finalized version?

Thanks....

Chongie
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
There are no more Betas. Today you get the final version.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Chongie:
Oke...

Going to keep my eye on this tread (also on the JustHome one).

Thanks

Chongie
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Awesome!!! Yea I cant find anything else to change, it seems perfect. And I cant wait till u perfect JustHome. It'll take some work, but it'll be worth it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's been uploading for like 3 hours now... but where I'm at, the connection is TERRIBLE, so I'm still not even at 20% on the non-lzx versions. (It's doing 2 at a time.)

I might have to cancel it and try again when I get home.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
What kind of internet are you using? slow internet makes me angry.

Using the phone without the phone funtion is great. There is a significant speed increase and more ram (ithink). Cant wait for the next release.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Dam, I think my phone can upload faster than that :)

All I want is the non-lzx. Oh and you're gonna put up that Clean version sometime too i guess.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Ok, I switched connections. The problem is that it's a basic 5meg connection being shared by about 30 people, and some insist of using bittorrent clients. I just switched to another connection with 16+mbps upload, so even though I just started uploading, it should be done by the time I finish this sentence. haha Oh. It just finished. lol Uploading is complete! It's time for me to work on my Micro edition. (It's a clean edition with some additional hacks for more space.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] bduncan:
Ok ivan -This rom proves that you are a master chef, not just a cook. This is -by far- the best rom available for the wing, and you have been really patient and friendly with everyone's questions. How long do you think it will take to release the stripped version, and how much extra space do we get with the LZX?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Working on it right now. You'll be getting around 74mb free and 27-28 RAM free with a 6mb pagepool.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
still havin problem flashing LZX version
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Your SD card may just not be fast enough.

Answer the following questions. (Please number the answers.)

1. How big is your SD card?

2. Is if FAT32?

3. Are you placing the HERAIMG.nbh into your SD card?

4. Are you pressing the camera button as you press the soft reset button?

5. Are you pressing the down volume key?

6. Are you waiting for it to tell you it's done?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
OK, I was wrong, the Micro ROM has 74.19MB FREE and 29-30MB FREE of RAM with a 6mb pagepool.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
I think Qwest is throttling my internet connection right now. I've been using it a lot lately and now its slow as hell. It won't even open web pages most of the time! So I'm writing this from my phone. I'm gonna download the ROM as soon as I can.

In a positive side, I got the website updated with the most current final ROM. The link still works so its all good.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
What was the new link again?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
1.my card is 1GB

2.its FAT32

3.yes i placed it into the sd card

4.it goes straight to the green blue n red

but wat does the screen looked like red blue green
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
A white page that counts down.

This means that your SD card is too slow. Try reformatting it so that it only has 40MB formatted as FAT32 and the rest not formatted.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
mkay here's the new simpler link to your author page: http://thewingster.com/ivanmmj.aspx

You can get the individual links to the different ROM versions (LZX or non-LZX) if you'd like. Oh, and my website showed up on a google search for "The Wingster"! Yay! lol.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
okay man ill do that right now man thx for the tip bro how do i do that ivan? srry im a noob
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's a little complicated if you don't know how to do it.

1. Do you have an SD card reader?

2. Do you use Windows XP, Vista, Linux, or OSX?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
i have vista 64 bit

and the sd card reader built into my pc
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
http://www.lancelhoff.com/multi-partition-a-usb-flash-drive-in-windows/

Just make sure you only make one partition and make it small.

This WILL delete all your data in your SD card.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
okay thanks man ill do it right now and tell you if it works b back quick

thx again :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] guntcent:
thx ivan i got it working man im happy as hell man and the micro version does it has everything on the LZX version?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hizz2k1:
I am trying to load the LZX and i keep getting an invlid certificate message. Can someone tell me what I am doin wrong, please
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] Chongie:
Ivan,

Just a small question...

Does the micro version needs to be flashed using the SD card as well??

Or is the RUU also a option..

Thanks...

EDIT: Never mind... Just read the new Mirco thread... Ignore this post Please....
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
are you flashing by sd card?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
The micro version has to be flashed by sd card aswell. Look at his site for info http://justkitchen.info/
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] hizz2k1:
Yea i am I get al the way to the white screen then im guessing right before it prompts me to push the volume button, i get that invalid message
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] unknown123456:
The Micro version differs from the LZX version. It has absolutely nothing installed on it besides the default stuff. It has 74.14MB of Storage space & 29.12MB of RAM. TY Ivan. This is the kind of ROM I've been looking for. Now it's time to customize my own settings for your terrific ROM. Gunt, I would not be surprised if the Micro version is LZX compressed though.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
So Ivan, I have a few questions about JustStable Micro:

Does it even have IE 6? If so, is it the newer build 21043 one?

It has threaded SMS right?

Does it have File Explorer Enhanced?

Does it have Opera Mobile too?

Does it have QuickMenu and WKTask?

I'm not really sure what you've removed from the Full version, so maybe it'd be easier for you to list out what it DOES have, since it's stripped so bare, lol. Thanks.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Are you HardSPL'd? If not, that's your problem. You have to be HardSPL'd to install any ROMs from the SD card.

1. It has the IE6 that was in the 21042 build (as it was smaller).

2. Yes, all Win6.1 do.

3. No.

4. No.

5. No.

It's Micro, it doesn't have anything BUT Windows Mobile and supporting drivers. No programs at all. Threaded SMS is part of Windows Mobile. SMS in general is. MMS isn't, so it's not included.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] romanonly:
Earlier you mentioned a clean version...

First of all, great job Ivan, I've tried both the full and micro version of this rom and it's amazing! Unbelievably stable, and VERY use-able! The speed of the screen rotation blows me away!

I'm wondering, a little ways back you mentioned a "clean" version that was only lacking HTC Home, QuickMenu and WKTask. Is that still happening, or is the micro the replacement of that version? I personally would really like to see a full version just lacking those three, as I don't really use them but love the Rhodium enhancements, Phone Canvas and HTC Calculator. Is that something we can look forward to, or is the micro the only clean version you're releasing?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
That WAS the clean version. lol But if you want those features, you can download the cabs for them seperately. But if you want them skinned like my phone, I'd have to release it myself.

The problem with custom clean versions is that there is no universal clean version people will agree on. Everyone will ask for a "version" they want.

I may release one with Phone Canvas, since that was skinned by me, but you can download and install the rhodium enhancements and the HTC calculator manually (but you'll have to download the htc calculator fix for the decimals, too, though.)

All in all, I'll have to think about it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] romanonly:
Clean version...

Yes, that's what I thought but I wanted to ask just to clarify. I intended on using the micro and adding the cabs, but was curious about what you had posted. I also understand that you couldn't possibly make a version for everyone, especially with how demanding people are in here sometimes!

Thanks for the response and keep up your unbelievable work! I know that you've spent a lot of time doing this, and a lot of Herald owners would be worse for wear if it wasn't for your efforts as a cook!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
wow i missed this completely the last week or two.

you got the rhodium large menus working? if so, does that mean that all bottom menu choices display in that finger friendly way?

does it handle pop up messages that require Yes/no actions?

i'm asking because i had gotten large size menus and popups after endless tweeking of registry font controls.... So if the rhodium menu makes all that unnecessary, it will be much simpler for me to instal and set up your new ROM.

Is there anyone here who is using the new ROM able to take some screen shots of the menu system in action so I can see?

thanks Ivan. SOunds like from everyone;s reaction you hit this one out of the park.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
No, the menu enhancement isn't working on our phones. (I haven't tracked down every dependency, yet...) I included a working Notification enhancement and a disabled Menu enhancement. (That way, I can enable it in the future with a quick cab if I ever find a fix for it.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
I think I took a screenshot of the menu when I did screenshots for JustStable. Here's a link to the ROM page: http://thewingster.com/juststable.aspx

Just skip through the slideshow until you see some menus. Enjoy!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
i,m on my wing using opera mini and i dont see any slideshow nor any link for one, but i will check on desktop when home

thank you
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Did you go to that link I posted 2 posts up? it had a pic of the notification screen.

Oh and did you remove the bigger menu's from the final? They were in Beta 3 so i dont see why you would have removed it. I guess I'm confused.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
lol just saw you post that response. I too am on my phone. But yea, the slideshow doesnt work on mobile devices, so check when u get on ur PC.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The notification system is from the Rhodium.

The large menu that is on beta 2 is just a tweaked quickmenu.

The large menu from Rhodium is very different.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Gotcha, boss. Finally got to my desktop computer to see slideshow. Here are the 2 relevant screens. (i want to see if I can see images posted to XDA on opera mini on my phone)

(from rhodium enhancements)

======================

(tweeking parameters of QuickMenu) (*Note for those who want even larger type sizes for menus like this, it can be done fairly easily via registry changes. Search this very thread and there are screenshots and the instructions)

it looks great Ivan!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] pruzam:
i found one bug, when smn turn off data connection, then on screen it not refresh this two icons on/off
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mrbelvedere:
Great ROM!!

I flashed my girl's Wing about 2 weeks ago & haven't heard a single complaint about it...that is a great compliment to you & a great relief for me! Continue the good work!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] LordPhong:
Ivan,

Do you think is possible if you can list the bug fixes or enhancements from Beta3 to Final? I want to know if it's worth upgrading since beta3 has been great with me so far.

update: nm, I found that they are in the link.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Ivan: question re LZX vs "regular"

I was all psyched about trying the microSD card partition again, and this time getting it to flash the LZX. Unfort I spent about 4 hours trying, couldn't get it to flash. I set the partition size to 50MB -- it was too small by just a hair, to fit the ROM. I reformatted and partitioned to 60. Nope. Tried 55. Nope. After releasing the camera button, it was predictably about a 5 second span before the quick white screen which signals me to push the volume control down. I swear I tried that for an hour just hoping to beat the timing to get the flashing to engage.

So... I gave up at about 5am... And now I have just flashed the "regular" via RUU method, and all is well.

I would just like to ask, for my specific situation of wanting to run a launcher shell like iFonz, plus run OperaMini, and PocketPlayer, and Contacts always open, does the "regular"'s tiny extra RAM help me out more, or does having a bit more storage space help?

I'm confused about the advantage of LZX especially when I have a 16gig storage card. But I also have learned that storage overhead is necessary for optimal performance as well, and some apps simply must be installed on device.

I'm asking this so I can determine if I should just go to ebay and buy the smallest microSD I can find.... in order to maximize the whole value equation of this new ROM for achieving my specific usage desires.

Thank you!

/qs