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[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bored2nite:
not a stupid question it can be confusing but the answer is:

yes this is newer. The beta 4 u refer to is using build 21139 which did NOT included titanium and honeycomb

This beta 2 is based on build 21159 and does include both those things. Now on the beta 2 (compared to beta 1 of the same build) titanium is turned off due to high memory usage. I personally went into settings > today > items > and turned titanium on my titan and it works fine.

CR2 in case you are wondering is based on build 21139 actually, so it is nice and clean but does not use honeycomb or titanium to my understanding, only really has IE8 built into it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] TheFdog:
About the CR2 Release?

Has it been released. The links are either dead or lead to CR1. So I am also confused :confused:

Thanks for everyone's hard work though to keep these lil' moguls going :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dunebuggydude11:
yes it has. go to the very first page of this thread and download the file called WM 6.5 21159 Beta 2
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Cycomachead:
thanks for pics, might flash it next week when I have time :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] drewcam888:
I thought CR2 was a stable version of 21139 and that Beta 2 of 21159 was buggy.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Wow wow, the honey comb and the titanium in the titan atlast, great job mr free. Been testing for hours now, it is an exciiting revolution for windows mobile, loads of work to be done though to bring fluidity to it's usage.

I think it will be a miracle if you can bring the memory up to 20mb like you said. Personally wondering how you would achieve that, but I believe there will be need for some trade off. Presently looking at the voice command/voice dial how much ram could that get us if we let go? Also thinking we could test nuekernel with this build and have the option of disabling camera for more ram. Not many of us use IRDA, so we could just cripple it completely. So in the long run we might be talking of more than 20mb.

The titanium though buggy now is a beautiful application for those of us who love to enjoy some of our applcation from Today screen, like Music for instance. That way we wldn't miss m2d. If we exploit the other options in saving memory we might get to tweak and keep this new concept in windows mobile. Am sure the honey comb too can be tweaked to perform faster.

Looking through the registry, not yet seen the samsung driver included in this build, isn't it a booster for functionality?

These and other things perhaps yet to be catalogued by other testers don't make me envy you sir, just too tedious a work ahead of you. But this rom is too beautiful to let go, so am highly appreciative of all you are doing for us, THANK YOU.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tplane37:
Performance Issues

Check out my post over at PPCGeeks.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showpost.php?p=708272&postcount=444

It's rather lengthy, so I do not feel the need to redo it all. But many of the changes made a considerable difference in the performance of the honeycomb and pretty much every other feature. I am going on 15 hours since I first flashed this, and I have yet to have any issues that were not directly related to CABs I have been trying out. Also, in Page 47 of that same thread, I posted a list of what has and has not worked for me. May be pointless, may give some of the more experienced developers ideas on what to cook into the final product. But worth a look at least.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Screwbal:
Is there a way to tie in Skips Device Update application which is awesome and makes loading additional apps on the fly a breeze?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mastridonicus:
Anyone seen an issue with the dialer locking if you try to switch back and forth from the keypad to the status windows? Mine locks going from status back to the dial pad and stays that way until reboot.

But I know this is with the dialer, not the ROM.

Also, to those with the Sleep of Death issue, I resolved this by uninstalling the SRS HD application. Sucks, but i like to know my device will wake up. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Yes pick the oem from his kitchen, decompile this rom, drop the oem in it, build back and flash.

Ah I remember something that is much faster. Skip v1 (not v1.1) has the cab file of device update in its windows folder, copy it to your card, then you can install it on this rom.

I think I have a copy, if I find it, I could just post if you still need it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Yes, porting the Internet explorer's cache, history, and cookies to the Sd card definitely helps marginally for ram, not sure it does for speed- perhaps depending on the speed of the card? You seem to have a fast sd card. Overall a lot of tweaking will be done on this rom, and thus far it is quite an impressive job Mr Free has done with beta 2. I have been running it for 24hrs now, yet to crash. This post is sent from my from phone. The IE 8 in this build is an improvement over build 21139.

Thanks mr Free, how are you? Catching some rest?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] joemorin73:
Ok. I just flashed the phone with the rom, and all it does after the screen calibrate is display a white screen. I've had it sitting for about ten minutes with nothing happening. Any ideas? It's now trying to shutdown with the shutdown button and the wheel is just spinning.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Screwbal:
ugh - phone wont unlock

I have my device setup to prompt for a PIN after xx min of not being used. It seems that once it triggers and i turn the phone on the pin screen pops up, goes black, pops up, goes black over and over and over =\

Anyone else seeing this or know of a fix? (and i mean a fix - don't want to hear turn off the pin option :) )
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I'll add anything new if you guys like .. just link me to the cabs .. I am going

to also add Google 3.0 way cool street view ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
TomTom 6 and 7 is the only GPS app that needs GPS Router .. seems to

be the direct stream from com4 not in the format TomTom likes.. GPS Router

fix up the stream .. just start GPS Router before TomTom and it will work ..

BTW iGuidance v4.0 is real nice ... google iGuidance_v4.0.rar its like TomTom

but with a lot more cool options and better 3D screen .. plus text to speech
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bored2nite:
mr-free

I wanted to ask you now that i've been running beta 2 (build 21159) for over 24 hours.

Is there a reason you are using this dialer, instead of the one on beta 1 of the same build? Reason i ask is cause i didn't notice anything bad about it, and it looked bad ass with the transparent buttons.

also if you could keep screen capture on there that would be cool too lol.

Also is there any way to build in the keyboard that is on some ROMS from the diamond, the full, compact, and keypad keyboard? Apparently that is the one they are gonna be using on 6.5 according to pics from a touch HD. I dont' have a cab, but i can try to find it if you tell me you will consider it.

TIA
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I am updating both CR2 and build 21159 kitchen...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
x2 thats correct..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Beta 1 was buggy .. Beta 2 is more slow than buggy :) .. Beta 3 soon to be out

is faster and a ton more clean .. Beta 3 don't seem to have any bugs I can find but

memory is still a bit low only got 15.5MB Free after boot .. lots more XIP stuff to do...

but yes .. CR2 FTW when it comes to 6.5 stable but without the titanium and honeycomb..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
you are very Welcome .. I actually enjoy doing this new stuff ..yes its loads

of work .. I'm hoping to release Beta 3 before the weekend .. the little lady

is driving me crazy .. got to keep her happy :) .. so if not tomorrow .. release will be Thu..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
some of your changes is in beta 2 .. however I have tested >Animate Windows: "Yes"

and that slow stuff down, thats why I turn that off is beta 2 ..

some of your other ideas are real nice .. will deff try them out ..

Thanks again..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
thats a great idea .. SDConfig.txt should be working as well however ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I did not fully test wow SRS HD .. hmmmm I'll see whats in that app and fix it ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
cool post it up.. Skip stuff is cool..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Thanks :) .. yeah I need rest .. got a little crazy busy at work and my

young lady is on my ***** lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
wow .. thanks for the feedback.. I'll look into that asap ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
hmmm.. never had that one b4 ... I would try re-flashing ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tplane37:
Build 21159.5.0.0

I am loving this build. Only a couple of things I would like to see different.

1.) Bare bones Version without all the extras. For example, Google maps and Windows Live are not the newest Version, and getting the old versions off the phone when they are cooked in is a pain. I have the newest cabs for Google Maps with Latitude, and the newest version of MS Live (Both for the email client and the mapping software.)

2.) If you look at how the Titanium flows through into the top and bottom bars and then the honeycomb ghosting over the top , I Love that! I would like to see this same thing happen with the Dialer, I honestly don't care if the buttones are round, oval or square, I just like to be able to click to use a picture, and have it in the dialer as well as the Today screen. If whom ever developed Titanium could get in contact with me, I would be willing to work with them to try to make this a possibility.

3.) I do like the utilities that are included with the ROM.

4.) Stock keyboard fix? I have yet to find a solution to fix the keyboard.

5.) The RegEditor, I like using my Resco RegEdit, now I have two on my phone, again, no need for multiple programs that do the same function with a different user interface. Not to mention the CE RegEditor running on my laptop to back up my Registry settings. LOL

6.) Maybe it would be easier to just post a kitchen along with the version you have now so I can just tweak this and reflash. Your version is stable, so it is the one I will work with regardless. Some of the things I listed are personal preference, others I see ass needed repairs (like the keyboard). And a Beta 3? Do you have this going in another thread? If so, could you post a link...I'm nosey! :cool:

Again, Thanks for your efforts! Great work.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I like that dialer too .. but I saved 170k with this one :D lol ok I'll put it

back as I truly like that dialer too :) as for the keyboard they are some

missing .dll needed going to rip it again from the source 21159 pkg

(Hermes_RomKitchen_21159.rar)

Thanks again for testing..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Thanks for your info/testing and feedback .. yeah its all still very new with more stuff to work out ..

yes a bare bones Version is a great idea .. just that installing CABs takes time

but yeah having old apps with a very new OS is a no no lol :) will fix that

.. I got the keyboard working in beta3 but its not the stock keyboard so

I am going to keep working on the stock keyboard and add the needed .dll/reg mod.

for any other keyboard to work as well ..

Thanks again for testing and please feel free to post up anything you find..

including any solutions :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dunebuggydude11:
BETA 3!!! any estimate on a release date? I'm loving beta 2 so far aside from the few small bugs.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Okay, here is the CRC device update stuff, it is an oem. Skip might have an update, cos this asks to be updated, but in a minute you are done and ready to use.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Pls do keep her happy, lol. Believe me we are not truly happy until we make them happy. Kind of what you sow is what you reap. You are a cool guy.;)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Meditato:
I don't have a dataplan, so it's very annoying that the phone starts up and tries to contact the nonexistent sprint vision data services whenever I turn it on. Is there a place in the registry where I can disable this behavior? Thanks
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] joemorin73:
Ok, I did manage to get the rom installed, but with some problems. I'm wondering if there may be something in the extended ROM interfering with the first boot.

I realise that this is a Beta and I expect it to be problematic. With that in mind, I did find the rom to be quite good and promising. Here's my notes I have found so far from running since yesterday:

- The speed has definately improved. From the simple navigating to simply opening and closing the keyboard.

- RAM usage is definately higher. I am running Titanium and Honeycomb. The phone starts with a 77% usage but quickly climbs and holds between 85% to 92%. This does concern me as it will cause problems trying to run any application that causes a load.

- Wifi seems to be a problem. I'm not sure if this is my burn or not, but when I flip the Wifi Switch on, the phone begins to slow and no network activity occurs. I tried it a few times, including doing a few reburns.

- Software keyboard missing. It's been previously noted. A minor inconvinience, but not the end of the world.

- Windows Live. Live is installed, but it does not appear to function. I can not log into Messenger or Hotmail. I continuously receive a can not connect error.

- Outlook/exchange connection works. Works well. I found a minor graphic redraw issue if there were no messages, but nothing serious.

- This one is more of a personal desire. Kitchen please? ;)

That's all I can note for now. Overall, for a beta, it is quite good. I'm hoping to see what Beta 3 holds. I will try to access the extended ROM to see if anything in there is interfering with the installation. Any other suggestions are welcome.

Thank you.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] joemorin73:
I'll have to second that. I do have a dataplan with my provider, but I am with Bell in Canada. I shouldn't need to connect to Bell.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] legacydevice:
Ug...

I backed up all my contacts and texts using pocketpim, and loaded this rom up.

It promptly upon booting up apparently resent pretty much every text I've ever sent... hopefully none to my exgirlfriend.

Nobody's fault (but mine) as it's beta software, but what a mess!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Tplane37:
Compiled Temp Fixes.

In the future, give this one a shot. It's free, and has worked very well for me. On your PC, go to http://www.dashwire.com sign up with a username and password.

Keep the CAB provided below, install it on your phone prior to flashing a new ROM, and then again after flashing. It does slow things down on every ROM I have used. So I just install the CAB, finish the sync, and then remove it when I'm done. So far this has worked for me, and other users over at PPCGeeks have mentioned they like it as well.

The second CAB is a fairly nice keyboard CAB. It is only a trial version, but it serves it's purpose for the keyboard fix for now, until we can figure out why there is no skin on the stock keyboard.

The Third CAB is your Windows Live Search (Mapping, Direction, and Search). You end up with two of them on your phone, but you can manually remove the cooked in version...CAREFULLY.

The fourth CAB is the CAB that Outlook attempts to download if you are setting up a Hotmail or Live email client on your device. When you are going through the setup, it does appear to freeze. when you think your device froze up, set the phone down and go fix lunch, grab a cup of coffee, or whatever....just let it sit, it'll pull through.

For your SMS/MMS, go to this link, find your carrier, get the CAB. This works wonders for future Flashes as well. Be advised they are still tweaking the Alltel fix, but GC is very open to listening to any issue you have with his creations. Be polite, and remember to thank GC14 for his efforts. http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=404345

Also, I am looking for an App to skin the dialer in this Beta version. Or at least a skinnable dialer. I have TDial, but the Vouge and Touch dialers just aren't working the way I would like. If anyone have an extension for TDial that would allow me to skin this dialer, please upload it so we can toy around some more. Also, please provide instructions on how to integrate it into the TDial program.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] MrTek:
The Browser in this video looks different than Beta 2,no?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAq5...indows-mobile-65-previewed-on-an-htc-touch-hd

Also, is the keyboard shown the Microsoft keyboard or is that the original Diamond Keyboard?

I wonder if there will be a new MS keyboard. How about a new Contact scroller? They really need to make it more "finger friendly" than just the Today screen and the program menu.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] machaf:
I'm using CR1 - Everytime I add my Gmail account it screws everything up. Can't access TXT message or Email messages. Anyone know a work around?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
you are using 21139 CR1 .. best to use 21139 CR2 .. some ppl noted the link

stop working so I'll have to upload it again when I get home later .. CR3 will

also soon be out.. check the other thread for update later ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
great info.. I'll integrate some of the latest soft/cabs you attach ..

Thanks..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] CVofCT@hotmail.com:
I can't seem to find a link to your CR2 anywhere. I've used your link in your posts for days but it always links to CR1.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] skippyd:
device update isnt mine.... you can get it HERE
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] skippyd:
has anyone tried to put some of the new stuff thats in this build in the 21139 build to see if it's a little more stable???
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
only a few things in 21159 SYS works with 21139 ... and everything in 21159

use more memory .. however 21159 OS works well with 21139 SYS ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Thanks skippyd ... thats a damm cool software even support dev. access to custom update list ...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] RiftReaper:
I thought u got it down to 25 megs after fresh install?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mj41374:
CR2 link still broken

The CR2 link is still broken, anyone else got a copy while we're waiting for CR3?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
will post some new pics of beta 3..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] DavidinCT:
Cool, update the title when your done....Any feedback how it is ? Better than CR2 ?

I've been watching but, have not touched yet.....It might just be time to check it out....depending on feedback of course...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] xsilverfox:
First off thanks Mr-free for your continued work on 6.5.

I have been running B2 on a spare Titan for bout a week. What I did was use the PagePool_Changer.exe from the many kitchens to reset the rom to a 6 mb pool (default size for all DCD Roms). So far the only issue I have had is with unlocking the device (which maybe more relate to the lack of Titanium). Any way just a thought.

This made total available memory just shy of 47, and 19 on boot.

Just my 2 cents.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] abuttino:
Since you are uploading files... Why don't you re-up that CR2 so people will see that it really exists.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I need to find sometime and load up CR2 on the phone again, CR2 has a lot more

free memory after boot .. 6.5 21139 sys and service files used a lot less memory ..

CR2 is also very close to release .. CR3 has no bugs I can find but I need to

test/use it more just in-case .. as for built 21159 Beta 3 .. I fixed all bugs reported ..

and remove all the old apps as requested .. try it out if you find any bugs let me know ..

right now I am working on Beta 4 freeing up memory .. hope there is no bugs in beta 3 this

way I can work mainly on freeing up memory in beta 4..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Thanks..

I fix that bug in beta 3 .. the locking issue was cause by not setting the

registry setting for Titanium ... as the new lock does use Titanium resource

even if Titanium is not active ..

hey I'll need your help to setup page pool .. I am having issues doing so in beta 4 ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
good idea .. I will today .. its 2:18am my-time I need some zzzz..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vishalgupta:
Grt work dude

but SMS not working

It stucks at the messaging menu in both the files u uploaded
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] anton_spaz:
Ok... I'm getting too confused. Can someone post (perhaps on the first post, Mr-Free) :-) the "order" of the different 6.5 releases....

Ie, what order do CR1, CR2, 21139, 21159 go in??
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mj41374:
And add to that list the terms "Beta 1", "Beta 2", "Beta 3", and "Beta 4"
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] 81344songz:
this rom is constantly freezing

I've tried both hard and soft resets

it still frezzes when plugged in to computer
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
one does not have SMS .. you need to install the one you like as most ppl

have requested to remove all the old apps .. and one has the old SMS I like

using, I did not test adding a SMS via CAB install on the clean one .. hmm

but from your feedback seems like the old bug is back .. I may have left

out the registry setting on the noneSMS rom .. I'll check it out and fix later Thanks..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] abuttino:
Why do you tell people to use software that you haven't made available to them? "It'd be better to use CR2" then you say that you need more work done on CR2 and CR3 is a pipe dream.

Bad ethics, and now I am calling you a liar.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] MrTek:
Mr-Free,

What exactly is meant by a "NoSMS" Build? If I use that build, does that mean SMS does not work? What is the intent of this build? To use something else for SMS (arcsoft?)?

What is the benefit of using the NoSMS build?

Thanks,

Jef
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mj41374:
If you look up a few posts, you'll see that the NoSMS build is meant to be a "cleaner" image - allowing people to put on their own preferred SMS software on:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] xsilverfox:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=TitanRecentHome

VI. PagePool Changer (optional)

1. Run "PagePool Changer.exe"

2. Select your ROM -- /RUU/RUU_signed.nbh

3. The default is 6 MB

4. The Titan has limited RAM so it isn't recommended to go beyond 8 MB

5. go smaller if you want more RAM free

6. Hit 'Close' when ready.

7. Flash your custom ROM

I am in no way a rom cooker. I have been trying of late, but have not gotten the hang of it. I know that most of DCD's roms are set at 6 mb when building with his kitchen, so it can be done in the base, but I do not have that knowledge.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] xsilverfox:
Beta 3 NoSMS Using a 6 mb Page Pool.

Will do some more testing with it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
I can't seem to send text messages by doing the following with B3.

Press Actions, New Text Message, Menu, New. It just sits on the text message screen.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] joemorin73:
I am running the with SMS and am unable to open any SMS or mail messages.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
I am running the No SMS and I am having the same problem.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] savage25rcracer:
why are people complaining about something there not even suposed to have Free said in first post that he is trying to work out bugs and that is not an everyday rom YET use a third party program for sms and problem solved, he is working really hard to put these out. wait or get over it (this is PRE PRE BETA DONT EXPECT IT TO BE PERFECT) must say great job guys