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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] turastangras:
maybe the issue has something to do with use of s2u2?

i'm using latest version 1.62 including latest patch.

maybe the "wake-up-logic" of s2u2 does something "unusual"?

is 0.2 supposed to work together with s2u2 at all?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fwt:
I'm not using S2U2 or similar.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] turastangras:
just tested the issue a bit and it's like this:

- when opera is open (no matter if in forground or in background) and phone

goes standby; app switches to 2g ok. but when call arrives; the phone wakes up and immediately switches back to 3g. the call is diverted to the mailbox.

- when opera isn't open when phone goes standby everything works and the call is not interrupted.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
That specific issue should be fixed in my development build, however I still need to look into the 'ringing' state either way. (Should've been done by now, but I had to reinstall everything on my computer... just booted, dev tools still need to be installed)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Another teaser!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Mandragore:
Looking good, can't wait!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noellenchris:
Wow this project is coming along great. W/6.5 I'm already getting great battery life. Add this app and your graphics speed trick and we'll have new life again added to our phones!:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fwt:
SSSSSWEEEEEET!!!!!

:eek:

Yes ... just tease us ... we need teasing like this :D:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Goldry:
I guess this may be off-topic, but it may not, so here goes:

I was in Tokyo last week and couldn't get a GSM signal. I had to kill WMLL and select 3G manually. Does WMLL monitor whether you've got a usable signal? If not, could it automatically switch bands and lock you there with an appropriate message?

I guess I shouldn't bring it up - like everyone else here I'm waiting for the new release and I don't want to be the guy who delays its delivery...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Actually that is a good one. I have not built any detection of this into WMLL (btw almost done... last straws... ugh) but I can explain what is happening.

In Japan, there is not really 2G GSM, they only have 3G GSM at 99% of all places. So WMLL locks into 2G but you have no signal, so you need to kill it.

Note that the upcoming release includes a function to switch to any band and switch back to WMLL either manually or automatically after screen off. I will think about how to solve this specific issue, though it may be an uncommon one.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jug6ernaut:
it is darkest before the dawn
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Aussi:
this really looks nice !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Latty:
Hey chainfire,

Any news on the CDMA version of this app? I saw you mention last month in your blog that you got it figured out. I'm looking forward to saving my gonads too! I mean, battery life.

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Myeah sorry for the delay, it's almost ready :) (in fact I'm working on it right now!)

EDIT: Note I'm not exactly sure how much the effect will be with CDMA... some people tell me it will be less than with GSM.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Latty:
Sweet. Looking forward to your release. Hopefully it'll make a difference, even if it is a small difference.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] p50kombi:
This is one of my most anticipated releases :)

Hope it works smoothly..

If you need any beta testing, pm me..

Groetjes en succes ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jug6ernaut:
"The Japanese Agriculture Ministry Is Not In Charge Of Gundam!!"

o and cant wait for next super awesome extremely amazing version of wmll! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] DaveShaw:
I'll pop on and give it a test tonight mate :)

Dave
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] fwt:
Very good one :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] moesfeld:
I would like to break my phone too but unfortunately it´s qvga.

I guess I will try the old "sledgehammer 0.5 beta" it was relased around 600 bc.:D

If you need the ks20 rilgsm.dll or ril.dll or any other just pm me. (I guess it´s a bit different from the htc´s) If you don´t plan to support KS20 never mind.

I´m interested how you "reverse engeneered" the ril functions?

I ask because the ks20 ril does has problems getting the cellid (seems to be locked) and your information about ril could be very useful.

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Well I dunno about the KS20 radio if it will work with WMLongLife or not. You'll have to test it. But for that, you will have to wait for the QVGA version, I guess.

If it doesn't work, I may be able to spend some time on getting it to work though, but at least the logs should state that it is _trying_ to switch...

As for reversing the RIL functions, its a complicated matter but in the end you don't do much different than the system already does. Are you sure getting the cellid is a soft problem and not a radio problem?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Could use some more CDMA testers :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] p50kombi:
GSM affraid..

I have a GSM, but eager to test...

Been wmlonglife user since day one...

Can't figure out how to get into the beta group..visited IRC, but no one was there :)

So long story short..need a GSM tester?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Sure, hope in - as for why I wasn't there, I can't be on IRC 24/7... Also sleep needed and such ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lastnikita:
Great, 2 in 1 !

Finally something to tell us which process is the damn one trying to connect !

Thanks, count me in once you get a wqvga running :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ejoya:
can you please add opera mini in jbed for 3g support?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
Tried to connect to the IRC channel, but Freenode seems to be having trouble connecting to the server. "Unable to connect: Null"

I will try to connect again later, and hopefully catch you on. I'd really like to participate in the beta. Well really I want to get my greedy little hands on this very cool concept software, and maybe help influence it a little.

Phone Info

AT&T Fuze running Energy Rom 3.0 6/13/2009

Radio/rilphone.dll 1.14.25.35
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Latty:
I can help you test with my RAPH800 :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] tx_jaycee:
I'll test for you I'm on Sprint with TP. Just pm me.

Thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] scuccia:
I'll test for ya. Running a CDMA Touch Pro on Alltel.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Latty:
Hey guys,

You can find Chainfire on IRC here; he'll give you the link to the beta cab =)

Hi scuccia, Lat from the Juicy 8 thread =P
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mnet:
I'm not sure what's the use of this program. WCDMA offers much higher standby times because of more efficient power management. 3g does use up more power when in a phone call/using data.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jug6ernaut:
reporting in, v0.5 is running very well. one comment for future versions. add awarness for apps like comm manager that require internet(aparently) but should not trigger wmll imo. other than that going great :D.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
You're right, under ideal conditions. Under less than ideal conditions (many variants of this) unfortunately it remains the case that GSM often offers a much better lifetime than WCDMA. The forums are full of people figuring this out (just search).

There are similar reports about CDMA devices - though some very knowledgable people I know (and are known in the WM community in general) that know a lot about both CDMA and GSM tell me the difference between the two modes is less significant than with GSM.

It also heavily depends on suspended to unattended mode wakeups, data being used in those cases, etc. Worst case it's annoying, best case it works really well. It does wonders on the battery lifetime of my own devices, but I doubt many people have my exact usage patterns. Only time will tell what the 'average' gain is.

You simply can't quote specs this way, they are pretty much completely irrelevant and hardly ever based on any truth - benchmarks aren't everything and especially not benchmarks like standby time supplied by the supplier. I've yet to see any device do 440 hours standby time even in airplane mode.

Maybe it works less well than expected, maybe better. In time, we'll know - but at least we'll have tested it instead of relying on numbers that are pretty much guaranteed to be made up.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Great :) Other GSM and CDMA testers reports it works fairly well as well. I'll put your Comm Manager thing on the to-check list.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
freenode

Stupid Freenode still won't let me connect to the server.

Its got to be a routing issue on my end.

Bah..stupid interwebs
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noellenchris:
It's blocked from my work, and It won't load on my phone..:(

would love to continue testing....hopefully when I get home I can give .5 a whirl...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
I'm no longer there.. I've left for the weekend, I'll be back on Monday. My computer is still there ("Chainfire") and I may jump in now and then ("ChainfireMBL") so you can try but no guarantees :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] GLO:
thanks, i'll try this on my kaiser!

Wonder if it has any conflicts with other apps such as PhoneAlarm (noting PA changes via the radio) as well as the TNT Increase Battery Life cab.

Lastly, how will this handle 'push email'?

thanks
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Back at work :)

I'm not sure about effects on PhoneAlarm, TNT Increase Battery Life cab (link?) or SPB Wireless Monitor (this could conflict)...

Testing push mail right now - seems to still work but requires further testing (I don't normally use push mail but someone set it up for me so playing with it ;))
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
Finally made it online, and got the beta. WOOOHOO!!!

First couple things I noticed. The 15s selection in the slider on the app connect pop-up actually sets the timeout to 30seconds

I run Remote Desktop on port 22 (secure shell port), and wmll does not seem to detect remote desktop connecting to the interwebs. The app configuration dialog never pops up, and I do not see a listing for it in the apps list.

Otherwise, its very clean.

What does the app bandswitcher do? Is this the app that actually switches data connections when necessary, or is it the interface to the service? What is the reason it has a start menu shortcut?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Well thats obviously something to fix ;)

I'll have to look into that one as well. I have some ideas, though.

The Band Switcher app does not "do the work", it is indeed an interface to the service in case you want to force a certain band. It too will end up with a shiny interface ;) It's listed in the start menu because that makes it available in the list when you configure buttons. The idea is - if you want - you can easily configure a button to start this app, which will easily allow you to switch between the band you want, disconnect active data connections, go to WMLongLife config, etc.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
Would also be very handy to have the option to disable the band switch notification dialog that pops up.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
On the Application configuration screen, I am having a little trouble dciphering the various letter combinations.

e.g

3G IU U IW

I understand the 3g, but what do the others stand for?

I am sure it has something it do with the other 3 buttons (screen,wireless, and usb) but I can't seem to find the correlation.

The app itself is small in memory ~700k and it uses very little processor power when idle 0% normal, and ~.18-.50 every 30 seconds or so. The highest processor utilization I saw at idle was 2.5%, This seemed to coincide with the data connections being severed in the background.

I've had an application accessing the internet pop-up, that I myself can't figure out, nor do I really know how I should configure it.

device.exe

A note on default applications. Since there is no way to currently delete an existing application from the list, and MS is not always very intuitive in their naming convention, it might be advantageous to include a description and common name for the default applications. IntShrUI.exe does what exactly and why does it need access to my interwebs? (yes I know its internet sharing, but not everyone does)(replog.exe is another example)

The switching band pop-up

As i stated earlier it might be nice to have an option to disable the display. But now that I have had a chance to use the app more, I think the issue I have is not so much with the pop-up itself, but the content of the pop-up. Its seems large, and distracting. I really like your 3G selector button on the application configuration screen, perhaps a smaller band switch notification dialog with just a 3G icon like you have on that screen, and then of course a 2G version to signal the switch back. More like the windows wait cursor, small, unobtrusive, yet relays what is going on.

My gonads thank you!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Yes, they do correspond. They will be replaced with tiny icons in one of the next versions (this is one of the places where gfx are still missing).

This one - and several others, like services.exe - will be pre-setup in one of the next updates, and invisible from the config screen. These are special cases requiring a specific setup or they may screw up pretty much everything.

Under consideration.

Both disabling this notification and how it looks are under consideration as well. Still need to figure out an icon for 3G (only) though.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] noellenchris:
Hey Chainfire,

Been using the beta for a few days. Seems to work very well.

Suggestion: maybe add an option on the popup when starting an app to connect to the internet to select band. In other words, some apps like mail, apptodate etc. normally only need 2g, but if I want to download a large attachment or download updates I would rather switch to 3g. Maybe when configuring and app we could have the option to select whether it prompts at startup to select band.? Sorry if this sounds confusing. Thanks for your hard work. I can now use my phone rigorously all day without draining it all the way down. From 6am - 11pm i'm now left with 50%! :D

Chris
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
Its me again, back with more news from the front.

Couple things I have noted as potential "bugs"

If the phone is in 2G mode and then soft reset, the WMLL service does not seem to want to start automatically. You have to start it manually.

However if you do start it manually, and leave the phone in 2g mode, WMLL does not want to work. It won't change to 3g upon launch of a 3G app.

If you use comm manager to turn 3g on, and then let WMLL turn it back to 2G (idle time or through standby), then WMLL starts working normally.

Just a guess, but it acts like if 3G isn't enabled on startup, wmll can't switch 3g on, or can't correctly detect the state of the radio.

I also had 1 major issue that I can mostly attribute to WMLL.

For some reason the WMLL service stopped. I went in and manually started the service. Because my phone was in 2g mode when it was started, it didn't want to switch bands, until I turned 3g on using comm manager. However when I put my phone to sleep, and then tried to wake it up about 2 minutes later (checking to see if 2G had been enabled) the phone would not wake up. I had to soft reset in order regain control. I'm not 100% positive that WMLL was responsible for the lock-up, but since the phone has never done this before, and WMLL is the only new software in the last week or so, it is the most likely culprit.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
I will take this option under consideration - however there is a potential issue with that and internal timeouts. I will have to do more testing to see if that is even a possibility. Glad to hear it works well for you :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
I will also do some testing on this. Please note that the 'startup' of WMLL indeed sometimes does not work correctly. It has a built in delay/trigger (so it doesn't immediately get busy on phone start) but the trigger does not always seem to work. This may be the cause (or it may be something else entirely).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Keland44:
i wanna try it see if i can get on to it tonight or via my phone :-D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 186227:
Any Updates

Hi,

Any updates on the release on .5?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Still in private beta... hopefully we'll see a public release in two weeks. I wanted to release it much sooner but unfortunately other work got in the way :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 186227:
.5 Beta

Hi,

Thanks for the update.

One thing i noticed using the .2 version. I could not get Microsfot Voice Command to work all the time when I has this program loaded. When I uninstalled the program, it worked fine. MSVC kept deactivating. When I would go into the MSVC to activate it, I would close the program and then reopen and it would show not activated. As soon as I uninstalled the .2 Beta, everything worked fine?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] samusalo:
This is great! Thank you, just what I was looking for. Actually I was looking for a manual 3G toggle, but this is even better :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Keland44:
still doin private beta i'd like to test out .5
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] smackboy1:
How do you uninstall WMLongLife? I ran WMLongLife-MSM.exe (0.2) on my HTC Fuze and it switched 3G off. But now I want to restore my phone back to the way it was and it is stuck in Edge. I closed the program, deleted it, reboot the phone and still no 3G.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Rumball:
Change your phone band from GSM back to auto under Settings>phone
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] pekvocey:
Thank you. Amazingly my next generation thanks your talent. I always have to turn to 2G many times per day. Now, it saves my efforts :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] smackboy1:
Thanks. I don't know if the HTC Fuze be switched 2G/3G out of the box cause I couldn't find any setting under settings>phone. Ended up using BandSwitch to switch it back to Auto.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
:mad: Well I thought I was getting places, but now I ran into a showstopper issue on one of my own (no less!) devices. I did do some magic in size of the app and speed of the config apps (hurrah).

Just a quick check to the ones who are running the private beta, you still out there and running WMLL? Because of the above ^^^ problem I will probably put out a 0.6 private before the 0.6 public, so just want to know if you all are still watching :)

I have read all your comments both here and on IRC, but if you want to post a 'quick bullet point list' about the issues you are still seeing, I welcome them to be posted here.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Thanks to the beta testers who got back in touch with me through PM and IRC.

I've changed the first few posts to add changelogs and to-do list, so you can see where the app is at. Note that I'm not saying the entire to-do list will be finished for the next (public) beta - in fact I'd say that's rather unlikely.

Also added screenshots from 0.55, for those interested.

Slowly but surely, a release is approaching!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] the_fish:
nice to hear that ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] p50kombi:
Great work

Good to hear...

Beta is running like a charm on my touch_pro..

Can't wait till finished version..

Really impressed by the improvements over the original idea and the 0.2 version...

Keep it up Chainfire...

:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] AstainHellbring:
Runs really well on my cdma TP too :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Keland44:
man i can't wait to test it this will probably be golden in getting my battery to go all day long
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] airjer:
Just heard about this and can't wait.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Well, with a bit of luck the next test release will be later today :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mortikahn:
Checking in as a beta tester.

I have been out of country for 2 weeks, with no phone and no interweb connections. My withdrawals are subsiding as we speak.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Keland44:
i want in when it's ready :-D pretty please
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Myeah that didn't make it, and now I'm mucking with adjustments again... still not satisfied even for a public beta release. Perhaps tomorrow.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Killbillprime:
hey

Dude dont know who you are, but i wanted to thank you for you hard work and contributing to this community, keep it going man!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
0.6 public beta finally released!

Finally! Here it is, WMLongLife 0.6.

I sincerely hope I didn't completely mess anything up in my latest changes. Any way, it is now time for a beer!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] p50kombi:
CHEERS!!!

And well done my man..

Compliments for completing an app that has been on my device since version 0.1

Will give this Beta a thorough shakedown, but knowing your work, I probably won't find too much...

Well done my man.....keep up the good work :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] oruam57:
This application seems very interesting and I would try it.

I noticed that all the files are put under \Windows directory. Is that really necessary? Couldn't they installed under let's say \Program Files\WMLongLife?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] uniqueboy:
Out of the country and roaming in 3g at this moment, the new version is doing a fine job so far on my diamond with no noticeable bugs appearing yet. Thanks very much.:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] brandonhall517:
works flawlessly on my qvga tilt. thank you so much
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
For about half the files it is necessary to be in \Windows, yes. So to keep it simple, I put them all there. I know it's not ideal, but unfortunately half those files really need to be in that location for the whole thing to work.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] brandonhall517:
mine is 100% on my storage card...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
No, that's where you think it is ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Keland44:
NICE THANKS CHAIN i'm testing now
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] brandonhall517:
hahaha, oh touche
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
I am not sure why your device would not charge and this is certainly something that shall be looked at (if more people can duplicate this behavior).

As for your other comments, contact a moderator. Perhaps they will agree, and then it will be removed. I will personally however not remove anything for religious reasons from a forum.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Chainfire:
Hah I hadn't even seen that until now, even.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] oruam57:
That reminds me of an old joke...

Officer, officer, a naked man shows off at the window!

Madam, where is him? I can't see him.

Here, try climb on the top of the cupboard.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Wing Nut:
Since I'm chasing a ROM that is easy on battery charge I might have to try this ROM.The easy 3G on/off is very reassuring when charging opportunities are far apart - every saved milliamp helps. That I stumbled upon this ROM is thanks in a big way to the narrow mindedness of others pushing their personal beliefs on the rest of us who simply enjoy life and a good joke. Well done ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] brandonhall517:
ok moving on now i hope.... great app thanks again!!!