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[General Topics] thehyecircus:
Copy from Raphael Thread

My thoughts:

1. First thing I thought was: I wonder if there will be some way to buy this from AT&T without breaking my contract? I mean, what do they do for people who got a 2-year contract with the original iPhone, and then a year later they want the new iPhone?

2. Longer battery life and a bigger screen are very welcome.

3. I hope that keyboard is a mock-up. Also, I can't imagine using a non-Fuze keyboard, let alone one of those 3-row keyboards most phones have, but it's just way too convenient to have all those punctuation marks available top row.

4. I wonder when this phone will reach stateside.

5. I wonder why the phone's specs aren't improved?

6. I wonder why it's not all-black. It better just be a mockup.

7. Almost Touch HD-sized screen, and the TYTTN II tilt *drools*

But really, it took an entire year for the Touch Pro to come out in the states, so who is really banking on this thing coming out by Summer? And what will AT&T do when I'm willing to give them 300 more dollars for the Touch Pro II, and I still have a contract?

Sure, it's not the improvement we'd all have made. Not more RAM, not a better processor, or drivers... but it's still an improvement over the Touch Pro (unless that isn't a mockup keyboard, in which case I may cry over the colour scheme and the fact that there are LESS KEYS on that phone than the existing Touch Pro) and I'll take it. Plus, the front-facing D-Pad is a pain to use anyway that I just open it up and use my Keyboard D-Pad.
[General Topics] zyborg:
Good point... :p

When will we see some dedicated forums for these devices...? moderators...?
[General Topics] DarkHorse:
HANDS ON VIDEOS

I'm fallin' in love... no kiddin
[General Topics] chrisrc1985:
good to see the phone in action...all though i was tempted to mute the sound lol
[General Topics] thehyecircus:
1. The guy doing the preview is... not good.

2. The phone itself looks almost like a downgrade. I really prefer the Touch Pro's keyboard. The lack of a Flash is annoying. The phone itself doesn't even look like a "next generation" version of the Touch Pro, more like a different version.

I'd love to have the tilting feature and the larger screen, but my current keyboard and flash and some other minor details. At least the phone is mainly black, and not the strange mockup picture colours.
[General Topics] denco7:
Did any one notice that the specs do not include U.S. 3G bands. Are we going to get screwed by HTC on these phones like we did with the Touch HD ?
[General Topics] mbernstein:
Buttons and Camera

I share the disappointment over the lack of hardware buttons, D-Pad. But I guess I and others will have to make peace with the fact that it seems that hardware buttons will become a thing of the past. The Touch concept (which is is good) has completely overtaken the buttons (even the front design of the Touch Pro2 is very IPhone like). It is a pity, touch and buttons could live wonderfully together (see Kaiser, Xperia), but it seems to be the reality, and sooner or later I will have to make the transition.

My biggest grip then is that HTC is still not so careful about the camera. It seems they improved a little bit the encasing of the lens (which is good) but no much more than that. Otherwise I would be dying to replace my Kaiser.
[General Topics] gogol:
Disappointed :(

Not much major upgrades. Bigger screen size is nice, but thats not enough because most other brands also has big screen nowadays.

My biggest complaint is the Qualcomm chipset.

Qualcomm means no video drivers (damn you HTC!), slow graphics ... you knew it.

Sorry, I will skip HTC for this time around.
[General Topics] stevieraveon:
For the love of all that is holy, why no 3.5 mm headphone jack?
[General Topics] koalaii:
Sounds they are cheaply expanding the product life on 2008 successfull smartphones with some HTC HD hardwares. Probably in the waiting of true next gen smartphones based on Snapdragon processors and alike. Too bad we heard nothing on that.
[General Topics] k9tim:
+1 !!!! Looks like another round of underperforming devices thanks to the HTC/Qualcrap love affair......
[General Topics] syqe:
Diamond2 = Touch HD + Zoom Bar?
[General Topics] euphoria47:
Word. At least I will not have to feel compelled to buy the TP2

Will be nice to see what we can salvage from their roms in time to come though:D
[General Topics] swyecso:
Agreed:D

Ill even settle for just the 3g bands
[General Topics] orb3000:
Diamond 2 = Succesor of Diamond

Touch Pro 2 = Succesor of Touch Pro

Rhodium = Succesor of HD and Universal!!
[General Topics] shadowline:
I can't wait to see what comes of the Touch Pro 2. It does seem like a hybrid between the Kaiser/Tilt and the Touch Pro/Fuze with a little Touch HD magic too.

Though I wonder if it will ship or update to 6.5. (officially that is. I already know within a week of it being out, one of us here will flash it to 6.5... :D)
[General Topics] syqe:
kk but, dont the two devices look (a lot) alike?

shortened the screen, added a zoom bar, tadaaa new device.
[General Topics] orb3000:
Yes agree, but the real succesor for HD is this:
[General Topics] TorxT3D:
and that hd successor wont make it to the states much like the HD.

its starting to look like htc is only allowing 2 new "pda pro" phones per year for the usa, which is kinda sad.

in my honest opinion, neither of these phones stacks up to the HD, despite htc saying in earlier months that there will be phones coming out better than the hd.
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
I have to disagree with you. It is true that probably the Diamond series is fine, but definitely not all series are the same. Take a look at the HTC Universal, it is all plastic and easily cracked. When you press on the keyboard you can hear creaking sounds because of the cheap plastic they used. Design-wise, I love it. Another example, Sony XPeria, some are reporting cracks on the unit just after weeks of using it. If you still don't believe me, just check the forums.

I have the Advantage X7510 right now, and I have no complaints about anything. Sturdy and well built. Sadly but true...not all HTC products are quality built.
[General Topics] Firann:
Rhodium might aswell be the codename for touch pro 2... You can't call that the HD successor since the HD has no keyboard ;)

Its like topaz/citrine which are the codenames for diamond 2 (topaz is exactly the same) while citrine has difference back cover mostly.

I'm sure the true successor to HD is Whitestone ;)
[General Topics] orb3000:
Well you always can buy it in Europe, at least for me the lack of 3G is not important as long it has WIFI or WIMAX

Just my opinion...

How you dare?!!

Not because I have an Universal, but God see when was Universal launched men... it was back in 2005!! on that year no other device on earth was even close of the Universal, World's first" 3G phone based on Windows Mobile. ,520 MHz Intel XScale processor= how many devices have better processor actually?. Cheap quality? no way, I have mine and it´s in perfect state, you can not compare a device from 05 with the new ones, of course is going to lost, just have in mind that please, show more respect for the device that open roads for all that we are seeing today!

Yes, I think you are right men. Rhodium seems to be more like Universal "kind of" succesor
[General Topics] gfreek:
Yes you're right the true sucessors to touch HD are whitstone and firestone rumoured to have 1 Ghz snap dragon processor:) I expect HTC to anounce these later on the year!
[General Topics] RaptorRVL:
Must say I'm actually quite dissapointed with the new stuff from HTC.

It's more of the same. Almost the same hardware as well (yep, another Qualcomm! = slow device! :( ).

So far the Qualcomm + HTC combination has been dissapointing. And for that reason it's dissapointing to see they whack out these new devices with no upgrade in that department.

Was hoping for something a liiiiitle bit more 'spectacular'. But! The week is not over, who knows :D
[General Topics] RacerX10:
Anybody notice the hardware zoom thing at the bottom of the screen ?

I've never seen that before.
[General Topics] Sasimi:
Am I the only one that wished HTC didn't add the ''brilliant'' slide to zoom bar and simply increased the screen sizes a bit, while adding the zoom bar in applications where it's needed...?
[General Topics] isangelous:
They did mention the zoom on the engadget page. I certainly think that could work better than the scroll wheel.

At first glance im quite chuffed with the new ones. The one thing that has annoyed me most with my current TP is the smaller screen than the HD - mostly just to have a DPad I never use. Sometimes i try to use it but I find its not very intuitive when your used to the touchscreen. Its a shame the whole unit is bigger, but its probably worth it for the screen. Dissapointed they have taken off the flash too - as it seems to be for no reason.

Assuming no real competitor gets released I think i will be getting one when they come out!
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
lol :) I didn't expect this reaction.

I have mine too and it's probably in better condition than yours, as I take good care of my devices and never sells any of them. But it is CHEAP IN QUALITY, you are fooling yourself if you still deny it. I have respect for it's design, but HTC used a second rate PLASTIC BODY on it.

Another important thing, the CREEEEEEEKKIIINGGGGGGGG noise when you use the keyboard is noted not just be myself but by others who bought the device immediately, like days after. CRACKS that are present on the body can be seen immediately too. It is a MANUFACTURING DEFECT that HTC won't acknowledge. :(

If you still claim you don't have the CRACKS, then you are one of the lucky ones. I have friends who bought it even almost a year after I bought mine, and upon closer inspection, the CRACKS are there. These are brand new units, sure they have it replaced, guess what, BRAND NEW REPLACEMENT with CRACKS TOO.

Just read the threads. It's all there...
[General Topics] conceptcar3:
WOW... touch pro 2 is beautiful.... Any way of finding out if AT&T will replace the fuze with this device??? I was thinking of upgrading my kaiser to a fuze, but seems like i should wait for this beauty now....
[General Topics] RacerX10:
I've been waiting for something to replace my Kaiser too. This Touch Pro II appears to be *it*
[General Topics] guap:
I want THAT MANILA with landscape support on my xperia!:D Same hardware... shouldn't be a problem ;)
[General Topics] Keland44:
the touchpro2 looks great that's what everybody was askin for but the thing is will this come to the Tmobile or ATT hopefully both or at least ATT time for an upgrade from my wizard it just sucks because its supposed to get released in the summer but supposely the iphone 3 is coming out and you know that's ATT's cash crop at the moment so the release of this might be punished back till maybe sept or right around thanksgiving which is a long time to wait for ap hone

but the screen looks lovely hopefully it's capative screen and not resistive
[General Topics] CR7KB24:
Thats what I'll be waiting for ;)

Have you guys seen the videos, I really like the start menu and the manila is fantastic I really hope someone can port this to the Touch Pro.

The only thing i don't like is the screen tilting, for me I think it's dumb but some people think otherwise.
[General Topics] RacerX10:
I've become pretty attached to "tilt" on my kaiser. I use it more often than I expected.
[General Topics] orb3000:
So

I must be the lucky one then!!:) I bought Uni on Aug 05 and same battery!

No cracks, keyboard indeed makes a small sound when typing but really is nothing to complain for me, plastic? well... plastic is plastic.

Maybe I over reacted mate, I am sorry, I just have my Uni in a pedestal and really love it.

So let´s continue with the main theme here: Touch Pro II!

p.d. I don´t think yours is better than mine:D
[General Topics] addicus:
I like the look of the TP2. My question on the next generation processors is which is better - Snapdragon or Tegra. I really like what I've seen from the Tegra better but I have limited knowledge.
[General Topics] Psygnosis84:
To be fairly honest. I think the Touch HD is still the better phone. It has a 5 megapixel camera, bigger screen and it's basically the same thing.

The Touch Pro is around AUD $1100 here and i'm guessing this will be the same.

I just wish HTC would support their devices better, they seem to be plain greedy bastards that only support the device for a few weeks and then bam bring in a new one.
[General Topics] Bulldog:
I trust NO ONE will have a big issue with the Technology that HTC is putting together in their device's butttttttt I have to agree with the Build and Material Quality issues of HTC devices. Indeed One expect more for Devices that cost 700-1XXX USD.

Best comparison example for Build Quality: HTC Universal versa Nokia E90.

Anyhow Indeed I am very happy for Competition that HTC or MS has or will get. Be Frank since Iphone came out the UI of WinMO has significantly improved.

Furthermore as we can see they continue trying to build Iphone alike devices. One Year back I never expected again to see a HTC device like Wallaby or Himalaya. Those deivices and their size and screen factors had made me to combine my mobile phone nd my PDA to one single Device (a communicator).

Looking to the New HTC TOUCH PRO2, I would say HTC is back to their line making Communicators. (thanks god!!!!)

Now I wish Apple and Some other WinMo manufacturer will drop the prices..:cool:
[General Topics] Star-Lite:
I wish we would get a more detailed release date.

I need to replace my Hermes soon, and wanted to get a TP or X1, but I can't get a TP now that I've seen the TP2 :D

Any idea when full-qwerty snapdragon handsets will be released? I don't want to wait too long...
[General Topics] Firann:
Considering TP2 is the same processor as TP, and assuming the sites saying that HTC will release snapdragon 1 quarter AFTER Toshibas G01, then i would assume Whitestone (HD2) will be released mid summer to fall.

Also assuming that Rhodium IS TP2, then Tungsten (i think thats the Rhodium like phone) can be assumed to the snapdragon so would be prolly August to end of year, providing there IS a snapdragon qwerty this year.

Too many assumptions but thats all i gathered!

To be honest i want an HD, but seeing the Toshiba one, i can't just go through out so much cash for an outdated technology now. Also the push internet tech htc is showing is cool... I only hope HD2 is at least announced soon so i can make up my mind what to buy ;)
[General Topics] dagrim1:
Hmmm, not too impressed to be honest. It looks nice (although quite bulky if I see the preview videos) but it doesn't add all that much when you look at the specs.

Sure bigger screen and tilting keyboard is sweet, but no improvement in cpu, ram. Camera actually gets worse due to lack of flash. Nah, all in all I'm not fond of it and might sooner go for the diamond 2 then the touch pro 2 (owning the touch pro now).

Not to say I don't like the touch pro, loving it still, but this just seems like basically the same device in a new jacket with some minor changes.
[General Topics] materijalmen:
i think this new diamond i so rude...why dont the put the same front cover as the pro? the 3.2`` display is ok, the 512mb memory still god, the memorycard slot is thankyou god!!!5mpix camera?is this the new touch HD?what do you think how much will it cost?
[General Topics] StuartMaher:
When are we likley to see new forums for the new devices?
[General Topics] jam3sjam3s:
Well, seems Touch Pro 2 has come as a rival of N97. And seems it's much better than Nokia's device. But Diamond 2 is a real disappointment - nothing more or less than downgrade of Touch HD.
[General Topics] Peppep:
The N97 has 32 GB internal memory + microSDHC memory card support, while the TP2 only has the latter - quite a big difference, in my opinion.
[General Topics] materijalmen:
:D:D:D hehe!!!! This two devices are not a same class you noob...

symbian vs windows mobile

5mpix vs 3,2mpix

VGA video vs QVGA

32GB internal memory+microsd card vs....???

etc etc....Diamond 2 is not a dissapointment. It now has the same hardver like touch pro2, bigger screen, and more internal memory+no lack of memory card sloth! If the diamond has this litle "downgrades" i wouldnt sell it...

and, i know that is off..nokia again pissed itself and his costumers..they made the n97 with 5mpix camera, now!thet made the n86with 8mpix...nothing is new...

HTC is a mile ahead of nokia. I dont say this is perfec phone, never! Jus it is so much different of s60 opsystems like hell and heaven...

off....
[General Topics] wywywywy:
Nice devices both of them.

But they don't quite make me want to upgrade from my current Diamond.

The step-up just isn't enough, especially when the processor is considered.

May be next time.
[General Topics] josefcrist:
oh m gee where are the buttons. the only reason that i dont have a touch pro is that the there are a no soft keys. oh snap i guess i have to get a x1
[General Topics] Mr.Clark:
Oh, decisions decisions.

Replace my Kaiser with a Touch Pro 2 (coming to T-Mobile as the Vario V in June) or an HD, presumably not coming to T-Mobile, so requiring either a SIM free handset or changing providers.

:/
[General Topics] Menneisyys:
Did Chainfire have the chance to dump the ROM? I'm also at MWC...
[General Topics] jam3sjam3s:
Seems like you are the noob. The different platform doesn't mean they won't compete with each other. Do you think only xda users buy HTC devices? Do you know how many people who are buying HTCs doesn't even know this forum exists? And you think they know what's the difference between S60 and WM?

Both device have touch screen, high resolution, it is resistive, it's even the about the same big, both have hardware QWERTY, they both are going to be about the same priced. It's totally absolutely exactly the same class. Business device.

You wanna tell me that Touch Diamond/Touch HD weren't accepted by many customers as opponents of iPhone? And the differences between them and iPhone are much less than these between N97 and TP2.

And yes Diamond2 obviously is nothing more than downgrade of Touch HD. With exactly the same hardware but a bit smaller screen. It's the missing evolution between Diamond and HD. You are free to call this ''upgrade of Diamond'' as much as I'm free to call it ''downgrade of HD''
[General Topics] cktlcmd:
Same here....the only way I would even look at a phone is if it has a faster processor, nice screen resolution, and an integrated hardware keyboard.
[General Topics] materijalmen:
:D

yes it does...

its like you compare porsche and volkwagen..oh yes, boths are car...sorry, ima noob LOL LOL :D

vao,

@Do you think only xda users buy HTC devices? Do you know how many people who are buying HTCs doesn't even know this forum exists? And you think they know what's the difference between S60 and WM?@

hey kid, how comes this what you wrote for platform differenc???
[General Topics] jam3sjam3s:
Lolz. You are really nooby. ;s

Seems your problem is you think you are the only customer in the world. Or you just can't realize that xda users aren't the only customers who are bying HTC devices, not only that, they are the much less % of all people who are buying HTC. For everyone of them it is enough that both devices have harwared QWERTY, not to mention the same price, the same screen size, etc. It's more like comparing BMW and Mercedes, which are same priced.

Hm, kid, if you weren't noob you wouldn't ask stupid questions like that ''how comes this what you wrote for platform differenc???''

Now I advise you to sit and think about a day or two before posting next comment. You can even Google for some info. In many forums there are lots of topics "OMG, OMG!!11!!11!11one!11!eleven!!111! Should I buy N97 or waith for the Touch Pro2??''

Have a nice evening :)
[General Topics] orb3000:
Same here!

Keyboard is escential for me!
[General Topics] daniel_rh:
So nice the new TouchFlo3D with built-in SMS support, contact manager, etc...

http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_mwc_09-review-325.php
[General Topics] CR7KB24:
This is probably one of the coolest things I think from the new TouchFlo :D, I really hope some one can port the full manila to the Touch Pro :rolleyes:
[General Topics] materijalmen:
again like the dead chicken, who cares about THAT HTC USERS ARE DONT MEMBER OF XDA....

i see you probably read those forums about should i buy....lol..

otherwise i think that n97 or 5800 was nokias first touch screen phone so dont bother me here, this is a topic about htc devices not the nokia...

wow, really?i thought i am the only costumer in the world, that just i have a mobile..oh, better you watch cartoon network...
[General Topics] lsatblu:
I don't think the n97 is being released anytime soon either..or am I wrong? Like next month or so??
[General Topics] Peppep:
N97 is due to be released in June.
[General Topics] sajgre:
I would REALY appreciate your advice. Currently I have tytn II and this year I would like to upgrade. Mostly I need a better screen and a new toy. :) What are my options? Tilt keyboard is a must because I use it for emails and word a lot.

Is this TP2 best solution right now (or when it comes out)?

Thanks a lot!
[General Topics] creed:
Great phone!

The guy talks like a camp robot! Like it when he almost drops it too.

I really like the look of this phone. It has a good looking keyboard, coming from the Kaiser I like the fact is has the same layout as a normal pc keyboard with the numbers accessible directly without having to press the fn key. The buttons looked well separated and raised for ease of use. It has the tilt function back! That was a major annoyance about the touch pro. It basically looks like a touch HD with a tilting screen and keyboard. Brilliant!

The only downsides are the poor camera (usual HTC). And the fact that it has no d-pad is a big shame. A little thing is the colour, it would look so much better in all black.

But overall looks great! Better looking than the touch pro too.
[General Topics] Cavey.co.uk:
As far as build quality goes, I have never been unhappy with my HTC devices. The only quibble I have is a slightly loose stylus in a Wizard (which is knocking on a bit now). I managed to drop-kick my kaiser the other day and thought it would be dead, but it is still spot on.

I did, however, manage to break a Hermes by walking into a stair-gate (one of those things that stops kids from falling down stairs). I was walking. It stopped me dead. I weigh 16+ stones (220lbs +, 100Kg +). The screen was screwed, but I managed to take it home and sync with my PC before I had it replaced by insurance.

Given I am a kaiser user with its 2.8" (2.24" x 1.69") screen, I wasn't going to upgrade to the raphael as I didn't think it was a significant upgrade (the internal and external improvements were insignificant IMHO, and I still don't care about TouchFlo). The 3.8" screen (I make that about 3.40" x 2.05") on a Touch HD was tempting (and bigger than an iPhone), but I really want the hardware keyboard.

Things I will miss will be the flash light (really useful on my hermes) and the D-pad, but I am thinking that the 3.6" (3.25" x 1.95") screen will be quite nice and I don't really care about the 3Mp camera (it's fine for MMS and I have a proper camera for everything else) and I do actually like the tilt mechanism, so I shall be trying to make the Touch Pro 2 my next phone.

Still probably wont get me into an 18 month contract though, and I doubt I will give up my kaiser too soon...
[General Topics] orb3000:
Mistake

Sorry

Posted wrong

Mods can erase please
[General Topics] Cheeze[iT]:
On the touch pro2, if it doesn't have the 3.5 mm audio jack and only has the micro usb port. I assume you use this to charge, and it also says it can use the ext usb for video out but what about charging it while it is using usb out? is it possible some how?
[General Topics] bassil2022:
Cheers :D

The Touch Pro2 is even more sure to come to the US -- AT&T, Sprint and Verizon all have versions of the original Touch Pro.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2341160,00.asp

hopefully its true,,,;)