yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] moSess:
Yes, exactly. Also, will the dialer make that beep whenever you press send and end? The registry entries I found seemed ineffective. Anyway, thank you for coming back and blessing us with your work once again!:)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] prscott1:
Ivan, I'm always interested in any of your ROMs. JustStable sounds great to me! Let me know if I can help test or anything else!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Update on first post.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Yes you did! It was one of the first things discussed in this thread! hah hah. Maybe when you stay up all night you have a little RAM leakage?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
This reminds me. I was wondering if I can use my Wing as a microwave oven, if need be, in an emergency?

(btw I just saw an iphone ad with its selection of apps, and what's cool is one that makes the phone a "level" for constructing things, or hanging pictures. That's one of the first uses I have seen that turns the OBJECT of the phone casing into something extremely useful.

What will people think of next? I want my holographic interface damnit, so i can just touch my finger in the air and flick it to switch music tracks, or change volume. I also want it to make me a sandwich.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DrogenDiego:
Allright here is the file. YOu have to unpack it and then simply follow the instructions. You do need a registry editor for this tweak so. But there are severeal free ones out there. One is PHM registry editor which I use.

It works like a charm ;) have fun with it
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
Oh Boy!! A new ROM Build. Its getting hard keeping up with you Ivan. Downloading now.

Ahhhhh, the life of an Alpha tester. You know what they say... A Flash a day helps keep the doctor away.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
ROFL. Unfortunately, there IS a little RAM leakage when I stay up all night and don't sleep a full night. :p

I've already talked to htctoucher about this. He's gonna design one for me. It's not a file in Windows, though, it's actually another set of firmware that gets flashed into your phone. There is actually multiple firmware that can be flashed through a NBH.

1. windows ROM

2. Radio ROM

3. Primary Splash ROM

4. SPL

5. IPL

(Depending on the device there may even be more, like GPS for some GPS enabled devices.)

It SHOULD be enabled by default, I just made it so that it blends in with everything until you start opening up programs.

I didn't just recently add it, but I just recently realized that people might not have a clue what it was, so I decided to tell everyone what it was. ^_^
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
Can I slap Manila2D on top of this ROM and still be "Stable". Not for me, but for my kid's Wing (Yeah, following in her dad's footsteps). I like the HTC Home plug in, but she prefers the look of Manilla. Would it kill too much memory to be useful?

(Its a shame we have to wait for wm6.5 to get the CHome look)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It'll be as stable as Manila2D is on devices capable of landscape mode. Just don't switch to landscape and you won't see any bugs. hehe
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
OK, just loaded up latest (I hope) iolite version of M2D and it works pretty good. I'm down to 25.83 / 12.36 MB of memory. Flipping to landscape is super fast (but ugly due to M2D). It should be fine for my Kid.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I found the bug and fixed it. It'll be included in the next build. I just need some more stuff before I finalize this build that I'm working on.

This build also has a different theme on the dialer. It's a black theme. It's nice but too shiny... lol It's hard to explain. I'll upload some screenshots in a second.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DrogenDiego:
About the total commander thing. Please don't cook it into the ROM. At least not in the one without the kitchen. Because I'm using resco file explorer 2008 so I hate it if there is a program that I never use which takes up some space :P Just my opinion thought. So excited about the dialer when it's done!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Everyone:

I need people to report more bugs to me. Let's do a recap of the bugs that are STILL in the build I'm going to be uploading soon. If we don't find any bugs, or after we fix all those bugs, I'm going to move this into Beta status. It will go Final when all the theming is done and there are no other bugs found. Once it goes Beta, I won't be adding any more features, I'll just be cleaning up what it already has. So if there is anything you think would be a good idea to add, tell me now or forever hold your peace. And remember that if you're going to suggest it, it has to be something widely used or something most would use, not just something only you use. Thanks guys!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
that would be fine with me. I already cabbed total commander so it doesn't matter to me if its not cooked in. I still don't know if there is any difference when an app is cooked in vs added from a cab.

is there any appreciable dference?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
1. Preconfigured already.

2. Takes less space (as its slightly compressed. Even less if on a LZX ROM.)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] buru898:
One thing that bothers me is the SMS. When you open a threaded message it should set all the messages to read in that thread. But for some reason it has to "select" the message to cound it as read. This is a problem for 2 reasons: When you open a thread (while in portrait) you have to press the blank space before you can start typing with a SIP. Another problem is if you're in a threaded message and you get a text from the same person, it doesn't show it as read. It'll only set it as when when you initially open the threaded message not WHILE you're still in the thread.

So it's very annoying having to click on the blank spot EVERYTIME you open a thread and I hate how you have to physically use the dpad and select the messages for it to be viewed as read instead of it automatically marking it as read without it having to "select" the message...

Hope that made sense??

Oh and another thing is sometimes Opera Mini will be "frozen" if you sometimes lower Jbed and re-open it but all that really happens is the screen just froze on that part. If you press the left soft key twice it'll open up the "Enter Address" (even though you can't see it on the screen) and it works after that... I'm sure it's just the jbed build cause it is pretty old.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
I think MAYBE (and I could be wrong) you are used to ROMS that have the app from "Arcsoft" (maybe Arcsoft Composer??) that threads MMS.

I'm going to guess the reply from the chef: "I don't include it because it takes up space" :p ... and ... "I don't use MMS so I have no need for it" -- hah hah !! :D
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] buru898:
It's the same thing no? Cause OT 6.5 has it the same way but it was a better/different Arcsoft? Never had problems with that one and I hardly use MMS but that isn't the issue it's just the SMS.

Cause the SMS/MMS is the same (grouped together) as was the one in OT 6.5 so I don't see why those little problems couldn't be fixed? Even if he never uses MMS, the SMS is essentially the same thing and always apart of the SMS/MMS Arcsoft program?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's a different build of Arcsoft's MMS. I do include one in. The older version worked differently than the newer one does. I also liked the older version, so I wouldn't mind using the older version if people are ok with that.

As far as Opera Mini goes, I haven't seen this happen. Anyone else have this happen?

I usually go for older versions of JBed because they're usually more stable.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
That's a byproduct of not having a theme. lol Only way to change that is by either messing with the registry or using one of the freely available windows mobile color programs. (The names elude me at the moment.)

You can set the Frequenters from within settings, personal, menus. You can also set "Frequenters" in HTCHome's app tab. (The square with 3 filled squared and one empty.) You can replace the defaults.

What do you mean? Please clarify.

I use activesync to sync to an exchange server, so that's why I don't disable it at startup. QuickMenu has the option to kill it for you automatically. (All the way on the buttom of the General tab.)

Among the many useful abilities, is to turn your phone into a wireless router for tethering. The only problem is that it's not noob friendly... I've been thinking of removing it.

Agreed. It was part of that icon package, but the longer I have it, the more hideous it seems. The problem is separating the icons... They're all part of a DLL.

I'm actually thinking of switching back, too. The BIG E is what's really bothering me the most. If I could find a good QVGA replacement that used the same start menu button, I wouldn't mind. I'm gonna have to go back and look over that link you posted earlier.

^_^ That's great to hear. And I think you're using the LZX version, which is the "slower" version.

I don't know how or if it's even impossible.

Keep the feedback coming!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] CRE:
Quicksite:

In #3 are you talking about not allowing apps to present the edit menu where the start screen comes up in most other apps? Such as how it behaves in the Office apps? I thought that was dependent on the application, but perhaps not.... Ivan?

Ivan:

#5 I'd recommend including the regular ICS in a completed ROM and save ICS Control for the kitchen... bound to be a lot less headache that way. Hate to have to install the latter after the fact, but I just don't think it would be worth the added work it may cause.

Two suggestions/requests on my part are Notepad, Open with, Regedit and perhaps an app for addressing the aforementioned highlight color such as RC Mod (that would do the trick wouldn't it?). If any of these are already in the ROM then just disregard them, can't even try out the alpha until the weekend. I'm very psyched though!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
You mean a menu of shortcuts that shows up within the start menu? That would seem redundant, though.

I've been thinking the same, actually. The regular ICS is already included either way since its required for ICS Control, but ICS control is pretty complex for every day use, even for me.

The Notepad, I agree, but having a built in notepad like program makes it almost redundant. Then again, having a notepad that can open specific files would be kind of nice... Open with would have to do with the explorer program. Regedit, I've thought about including in the alpha version but decided not to. Not everyone wants to mess with the registry. As far as the colors, they will be fixed in the final themed version of this ROM, so no need for a program to mod them.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] CRE:
In some apps the window button doesn't show the start menu. It just shows what in the PC side apps is the Edit menu... I'm not sure that I understand entirely what quick's asking for either, but I think he's asking if it's possible to do away with that.

If he's asking about rearranging the hierarchy, that's cake... you know, taking all the app shortcuts out of the root level of the start menu and putting everything within the "Programs" tier or submenus within.

Like I said though, I'm not entirely sure what he's asking for, just trying to see if I might be able to clear it up and he can verify when he's back on.

Yeah, it's kind of heavy for most (it still gets me a fair amount, but I'm no pro) but those who want it can suck it up and just install it; it's not a large program.

There's an app called "open with" which I've been using for ages. Just run it once and it adds a startup entry and provides an "Open with..." dialog when you click and hold in certain apps including File Explorer. I suspect you could just run it with the Auto Config. This makes the basic notepad very worthwhile actually... can edit HTML, text, php, playlists, ini files and so on. No muss, no fuss... they're both VERY light and if you don't use them you never see them.

All good on the thee thing then.. didn't happen to catch if there was an ongoing issue with it or what.

Just some suggestions. Thanks!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nonpaq:
Actually, "Frequenters" shows any shortcut that is in the root of the START MENU. It is not limited to 7 as the Today Menu Items is. If the "In Sub Menu" is not checked, they appear just like Ivan set it up, directly listed when the Start Menu is clicked. If "In Sub Menu" is checked, They appear under a new line labled "FREQUENTERS ->". You can just move the shortcuts around via File explorer. I actually like seeting all the menu items as drop downs in QMenu (see pic 1)

I can think of three possible interpretations of "Folder View".

One is the old style Start menu that would open a window showing the shortcut files as icons. This used to be accomplished by involking the old system start menu by tap and holding the start menu icon ("long press") For some reason, in 14v3 LZX this does not work. All I get is a blank menu. (See Pic 2) [Ivan, any idea why in 14v3 and not in the others]

The other meaning may be the way WinXP does menus, where the items are actual files (not just shortcuts) and subfolders are more drop downs. This can also be done in quickmenu by redirecting the Programs or Settings menu to another custom folder. Do this in the "Menu Items" tab in QMenu options. Whatever folder path is set under either line makes that line into a view of the folder and files. If set to the root path ("/"), then you can drill down to any file in your device using quickmenu. (See pic 3 & 4)

Alternatively, adding a simple shortcut to a folder in the START MENU folder under WINDOWS will create a menu line that will automatically open File Explorer to the designated folder in a true "Folder View"

Hope this helps.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] livndeadgrl13:
ok i have the justhacked 14v3 lzx for wing installed and its running great, except the htc home has the htc audio player but when i try to use it i get a warning that it cant be found, so i installed the htc media player and still the same thing, anyone know how to use it from the home instead of starting from programs,
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
First, let me start off by saying THANK YOU for this ROM! I've used Just2Clean and JustMe for a long time now, and I've just loaded JustHacked but I can already tell I love it.

I loaded JustHacked14v3 - LZX Wing Edition from the SD card and it booted up no problem.

The ROM overall is definitely speedy. I felt like PIE was faster even before I read the post wondering if it was faster.

One minor annoyance, which is probably a toggle I haven't found yet, is that (on my Wing at least) every time I touch the screen it gives a quick vibrate (or, since I've dropped my phone so many times, a squeak). Any idea why that's happening?

I love the QuickMenu, and I'm not a big fan of the open programs on top of the screen like a taskbar (but I'm assuming this is because it's unthemed). I love the thin white battery meter at the top of the screen. Weather worked fine for me without having to change anything. This isn't my favorite version of ArcSoft, but it'll work, for sure.

Other than the vibrating every time I select something by touching the screen (it doesn't vibrate when I select something using the buttons) and comm manager randomly popping up when I close programs (which I've experienced in other ROMs I've flashed), I haven't found any bugs. I haven't put it through its paces much yet, though. But I love what I've seen so far.

EDIT: Found the Vibrate on Touch setting. Great!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Funny but I just figured that out as I was using Total Commander and exploring the Start Menu. I saw that the items in the folder "Frequenters" were those same items I'd checked off in Settings > Personal > Menus . And so now i see I never have to use that "Settings > Personal > Menus" approach to setting up my Start menu. thanks!

This was the presentation I was talking about... I know the file (paradoxically) named "folderview.exe" invokes an "Icon View" of all the apps in Programs on device and on storage card. And I was trying to say that sometimes it is easier to find a less-used Program by quickly scrolling though this visual "pick list" -- vs navigating thru QuickMenu Subfolders and "More" screens. So I have already added what I wanted, which was a "folderview.exe" shortcut at the parent-level of STart Menu... Because there are times, for exmaple, when I am using OperaMini, I want to go to one of my apps... In whiuch case I hit the hard-button for StartMenu, and then if I want to pick thru one list of ALL apps, I can select "folder view" in start menu, which i will relabel "Program Icons" or "Icon View" (again, what it actually is)

But, MORE IDEALLY, I would like to see the kind of Programs pick-list that is used on the Home screen when selecting a program to map to an icon. But even more preferable to that (in an ideal world), would be the equivalent pick-list view in the M2D interface, when you click "All Programs"... more finger friendly, one app per line, you can flick that list to scroll very quickly and select an app... Again, this would be such a help when one is using OperaMini, and you want to launch an app, let's just say a Screenshot Program, and you don't want to navigate thru cascading folders of Quick Menu.

That's interesting... I have to actually try that in order to see exactly the difference in the drill-down route within QuickMenu.

Right, and this is what I am going to do for the actual .exe file called "folder view", to get that one screen pick list, as alternate path to finding an app, depending on how my mind is thinking -- leftbrain logically or rightbrain associatively :)

But I have a small snag. I like to group clusters of applications into subfolders within Start Menu > Programs.

Currently Ivan starts with a subfolder called "Apps", in which we find javabed... and "Multimedia", and so on. I use some different groupings of 4 folders... And now I have nested the various app .lnk files into these variuous 4 folders. So, though that serves me very well in QUick Menu cascading folder view, it now eliminates the full-display of all icons for Programs. **Is this the way it's always worked? I am probably wrong but I thought that "folderview.exe" usually displays all icons at peer-level, not within subfolders. Am I mistaken?

Bottom line is: for me: 2 paths to programs:

a) organized by type, cascading foldersin quick menu

b) viewable in one combined scrollable icon-view (or pick list). Ultimately I guess now that I think further, this doesn't matter because I plan to use iFonz 2.3 as an app launcher and it will acheive this for me)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
O/T (skip this post if you are pretty expert on Memory/Storage issues)

I've been wanting to ask a "Performance 101" question related to these Windows Mobile phone. I hope it's okay to ask it here. It just seems that this "Just Stable" ROM project, is, in its own way, a "best of breed" thread for Herald and Wing users.. working to get optimal performance for the baseline apps most people use.

Thus:

1. I've never understood the terminology as WinMo uses it under "Memory".

For the device, it's broken into two chunks: Storage, and Programs. It's never made sense to me how this is called Memory, vs "space allocation on disk". Thus, I have never understood which of the 2 columns "clean rom" chefs are able to trim to increase these two amounts. Is Storage effectively "everything not allocated to Programs"? thus you chop chop chop the apps and registries etc to minimize "Programs" space allocation, and then whatever is left shows up in the storage column. I just don't get it.

2. I am sure it is prob some combination of actual storage space, and how much is loaded into memory at a given time... but I still don't get it then. Unless the term RAM is used, and how much RAM is allocated on the device out of the total space on disk, I won't ever get it.

3. When you use Hibernate or something like that, where is it dropping hold of memory? As an app closes, is the phone device dropping hold of some amount of memory?

4. What is happening when one gets "Storage Space really low. You must delete files or xxxxxxx" --- yet there is still a sizeable amount opf space on your device? Is this related to the device needing more "overhead" space for processing? and is this the result of "memory leak" increasing as the usage increases since the last Soft-reset?

5. I, instinctively, install all the apps that I can onto my storage card vs device, with the assumption that the more I keep my device as empty as possible, the better performance/speed. Is this really true? If so, how does having more space on the device speed up performance? Is it related to device being able to allocate more space for a kind of virtual RAM, or is RAM just exactly what is spec'd on the device. (And is it a separate piece if firmware than device's storage disk?)

6. The apps that insist on being installe on Storage drive, vs "either" -- why is that? for example, all the S2 apps: s2U2, S2V, S2P , as well as PCM Keyboard

7. Last q for now (hah hah, I am a Question Machine); thanks for bearing with Phone 101 questions: I have an 8g storage card. I fill it as much as possible with music files... but not up to the brim. What is a recommended amount of space I should always keep free on that storage card.. And why? (is it for swapping out read/write sections, thus needs headroom?)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
HOME SCREEN basics -- a question or two

I have never used the HTC Home screen before, even though it preceded M2D... and I take it HTC Home has a loyal following amongst "keep it simple, keep it quick" users :) .. I can understand why given its layout.

1) Can I switch the default "start page" within the Home categories? i.e. can I have "Today" in the QuickMenu go to my favorite Apps, vs the clock?

2) Can I add more rows of Apps/ and phone contacts? I use those more than I do appointments, tasks, etc/

3) That "Home" plugin into Today: that list that appears in Settings > Personal > Today > HTC Home , is that cooked in -- or is that modifyable... Just askin...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
REQUEST: Within Settings shortcuts, could you add "Remove Programs"?

Of all the Settings I would love to have a shortcut for that I could place on HTC Home (icon), as well as within Start Menu, it would be Remove Programs. I know that there's a formula for making links of this type, but could you include one in the shortcuts? or could someone upload it as a file here I could install?

thank you
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
TASKBAR > Icons > Notifications Screen

Ivan, is there anyway to get control over EVERY icon that is on the Task Bar at top? I like the idea of tapping anywhere up there and getting a new page (whether it was "Big Icons" or this better "Notifications" page.)

But ideally this Notifications Page should enable me to access Clock, Volume Control, Data Connection, Wifi on/off, Battery settings. Is this something you are working on?

If not, then hmmm, having the Notifications List as a replacement to "Big Icons" has compromised value. Ideally each item in Task Bar is on its own line on Notifications Page, regardless if there is a notification or not. And ideally they are clickable, leading to the controls page for each of these items respectively.

And when there IS a notification, it shows as currently does.

just askin...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Home Screen > Music Player

Same issue here. I can't get the audio manager to function. I added an HTC Audio Manager cab, but it doesn't play music.