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[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
I suppose if users are willing to test multiple themes, I don't see why they shouldn't be allowed. I am just trying to supply an option that gives all themes a 100% equal playing ground as far as presentation goes.

Screenshots ONLY would mean that all themes are viewed and judged the same all the way across the board. With hands on testing, however, many themes will go untested by each voter, depending on how much time each voter has or is willing to dedicate to the process.

(I am also not trying to argue with you, no worries, just laying out some opinions and options.)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] brandenk:
Everyone will have a week to download and test themes, we are just giving the judges an extra week before hand so they have more time for testing. You guys will have screenshots so you can narrow down your favorites so when the time comes you will have a top few to test. This is so the general population can waste less testing themes they arent going to like and make more informed decisions on the ones they do.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rickyteddyb:
Bump

When will donators get a crack at the theme?:D
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] All~G1:
This a very valid question!!!

Donating member > Regular member

Just saying :D
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rickyteddyb:
"When the contest ends we will get screenshots posted of all the themes so everyone can see the entrants and then we will provide download links to all the judges and donors. After the judges and donors have a week the themes will be posted for you guys to vote on and then after giving you guys a week to vote we will declare 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place"

Answered my own question.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] tubaking182:
who do we send the theme to when we have completed it? or is there a specific site we should upload it too?

amazing how once you find the perfect icons the rest just falls into place(except them damn .9.png images which i still HATE)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
tubaking182 [QUOTE]

who do we send the theme to when we have completed it? or is there a specific site we should upload it too?

I have been asking the same Q; for a week now,all this time waiting for the day of the comp and nobody thought how they where going to judge the themes how they will be uploaded to and how they where going to be tested? I am very upset with how this was handled because i spent a lot of time getting ready for this and created two themes in the time frame that was given.

I don't understand how there is still know real idea of how this is going to work?
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Stericson:
Manup how can you rightfully be upset? This is a competition made purely out of donations. Noone is getting paid to do this so give it time. It will happen just be patient and sit on your theme until they have decided where the themes will be sent.

Patience is a virtue.

Stericson
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
Patience! hmm....:confused: O.K got you. This is not my first comp and i didn't start doing this yesterday donation or not. Its not about the money for me but hmm....yeah ill wait if i cant then ill post it skip the money and let the fans judge my work.

I'm not mad just real professional with my work and what i do where ever Im at and go,sorry if I seem to be an a$$hole about this whole thing.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Stericson:
No, you are not coming across as an A-hole, just eager, as am I. However, there has been alot behind the scenes that many of you don't realize.

There is only one person that has been trying to get this together and it was somewhat thrust one him. He has been trying to get things together and is doing a great job considering the circumstances. So knowing the circumstance I am a little more understanding. Plus, this is far from a professional competition. We all knew this was going to be a little disorganized. But we will make it through.

This was meant to spur more themes, and I think it has done just that, since the competition I think I have seen more themes been released then ever before.

Stericson

BTW, your theme looks great, as always.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
Cool bro got you but someone would have contacted me or keep us posted there is only 5 days or so left,to start testing themes the 13th it will take another month before anyone else gets to see them. Understand what I'm saying its more about the people on site at all times and waiting it sucks for them.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rickyteddyb:
Figure it's the eighth. I'll give them till the 11th before i get worried. That way you give the competitors 2 days to realize where they will send their theme. I just can't wait till the 14th when i get my hands on those suckers. It will be a saturday and i have nothing to do. Since i have 2 votes, donator and forum member, i'm gonna be real detailed with my reason for voting. i'm already putting my own criteria together. I figure the least you themers deserve after doing all that hard work is a reason why i voted the way i did. AND I'M GONNA TEST EVERY SINGLE ONE. Thats something else you guys deserve. No judging a theme by only its screen shot.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Ryanmo5:
Stericson

Hey man i have offered to help in any way needed. I have plenty of free time but no one has responded. My offer is still good if needed :)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Stericson:
Brandenk needs to be contacted foreverything related to this contest. I am in the contest, so I am trying to stay uninvolved.

Stericson
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] damnitpud:
I was just thinking, if there is still some confusion on where to upload these files and what not. I can build a google apps site, it allows up to 10 gbs storage i think. All the competitors can upload to that site. which will be fast and what not. Brandenk if your interested and never used google docs before i can set it up make you a login and admin. let me know.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] topdnbass:
Imho I think that on the 13th all themes should be released at the devs discretion to the public, except the title should start with [Comp Theme].

Is "getting the theme first" so big of a deal?

This has been a community effort thus far, so let's keep it that way and simplify things.

All of the threads of competitors could be stickied or even better (much better) we could get a subforum for this and all future theme comps.

In each thread the corresponding competitor must make a poll where you can see the username of every voter (to prevent cheating).

I haven't been around here cuz my busted computer and I'm not gonna read this whole thread from my g1 but if I remember correctly were still doing judges:donors:community votes (some ratio like 6:3:1) right?

So either we can have judges vote along with the community and then have someone go through all the threads and calculate the pts with a list of judges and donors or we can just have a separate poll maybe on another site for judges and donors.

Good luck to all.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] ultra spikey:
quick question...why can't we release our themes to the public at the same time we release them to the judges/donors? I think the public was under the assumption that on the 13th the themes would be release to them, now it looks like the judges will get them first for a week, and then the public.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
This is the same idea i was trying to get across to the powers that be.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] prash:
I also support topdnbass's idea above. But then again, if the public gets a hold of them at the same time, everyone's going to be clammering to vote for their favorites, and it may make the vote counting a hassle as well.

No need to get impatient now, its only a few days to go. I'm sure things will get straightened out..good luck to all!

(bumping just to keep it bumped)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] doooshty:
Ok...brandenk has asked me to take over for the submissions. All theme developers please pm me with a link to your uploads. Also in the pm please list anything you have done that you want us to take special note of. You may also email them to me if you wish "doooshty at gmail . com". Like I said please send me anything you would like us to know. This can include changes you've made that may go unnoticed, credit for useage, name of theme, and so on.

We will try and get these in the hands of the judges as soon as the comp ends. I want to get this in the hands of the donors and then the rest of the members as soon as we can. I know a lot of people have brought up releasing it to the general public immediately and then doing the judging process. My problem with this is that I would prefer the judges to get a look at the themes before the general public so there is not chance of being influenced by public opinion about a theme. Second I want to allow those who have donated get first crack at the themes. They have been a huge part of this process, and I'm sure there are more than a few that donated with hopes of getting first shot at the themes. I hope to have many more competitions such as this one, and I feel that if we were to essentially "shaft" the donators it would hurt donations for future comps. I would love to be able to donate $100 for every one, but I dont have that kind of money so future comps will depend heavily on donations.

I know this hasnt been the smoothest operation to date, but I am proud of what we have done so far. We will learn from this for the next one and hopefully have many more. I am so thankful to everyone involved in this process...this has grown larger than I ever imagined. I really thought we'd end up with maybe 200 at the most...this is amazing though. Amazing community we have here. I look forward to seeing what we got=)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
Done I entered my theme you should have a p.m. Thanks again for all this bro the next one will be put together a lot little better i know this was the first G1 comp and it can only get better from here.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] sangeet.003:
only screenshots or whole theme update.zip
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] doooshty:
The whole update.zip please. Screenshots may be asked for at a later date.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] prash:
Sent in the link to your PM. Just posting here to bump this thing back up from page 2 of threads. Gotta keep it easy to find since a lot more people will come check for the competition end.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] tubaking182:
bump to the top, this is a great contest and i cannot wait to see what these themes look like
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] mariod1269:
another bump. can't wait to see all the great work. wish my donation could have been bigger!
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rickyteddyb:
Bump, Bump bump, bump, bump, bump bump bump it up
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] damnitpud:
damn one day left and my theme is not even close to done! Didn't even get to help Manup with his theme. That's what i get for teetering on 2 ideas then switching in the middle =(

Has anyone else finished their themes?
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] AbsoluteDesignz:
cant wait to see the results...
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] ultra spikey:
The majority of mine is done, well mostly the main parts. It probably won't be finished by tomorrow night though. I'll just have to turn it in as is.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
$535? I thought it was up $550. Anyway there's only one day left,when will the results of winners losers and when will the others get to test them is there a plan yet?. I want to be able to keep the people who ask me updated. You guys should really keep the theme devs updated with new news and stuff.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rickyteddyb:
I know you guys won't be able to judge it as fast but as a donater i hope you guys get a list of entered themes and screens out to the public. Just so everyone knows what was entered. I don't know why but for the past few days,i've had a feeling that not that many people entered. When i say not that many i mean less then ten. And also, if themes have already been sent try to get those out to the judges as soon as possible, at least they can start early. I'm giving you guys the benefit of the doubt this time because this is the first competition but i'm hoping that things get more organized for next time. Good Luck.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
:confused:The people who donated don't have copy's of the entered themes yet? I thought they would get first dibs on them. :) Let the battle begin lol.....fun feel like a kid again. almost like a real life video game. :cool:
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rsfaze:
I will be happy to donate once I SEE the themes. Ain't gonna happen before that, or I will wait. I'm running BuuF and you gotta come big to get this theme off my phone. :D
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
Oh yes sir i know I'm a fan of all real theme devs,donate bro trust you wont be mad after you try my theme and the updates are already there. :D

@The Powers That Be

Lets the people who donated get a chance to rock out!!!!:cool:
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] rickyteddyb:
hey manup, disputed king of themes (i say disputed so i don't ruffle anyone's feathers) is a running animation wallpaper possible? something like a gif. And if thats not possible, can a wallpaper be made that changes with the accelerometer much like those holograms? If neither is possible, what are the limitation?
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] damnitpud:
So is this contest over in like 2 hours or is it going until tomorrow night? The rules are confusing!
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
This comp is an hour over Hmmm...what do the judges have in there hands i want in. Animated wallpaper wont happen any icon that uses more than one image can be a animation like the tab two pics makes a animation. :cool:
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] tubaking182:
comp not over yet, even if they were ending it at midnight today, it's not midnight yet. it's still 10:15 on the west coast. PST not EST. but i am curious as damnitpud pointed out is it ending in a little under two hours or is it ending in a little under 26 hours???
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
I was under the impression that it was due at 11:59 PM PACIFIC on the 13th. Meaning, the last minute of friday.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] damnitpud:
nah the rules say 3/13/09 (midnight PST) PST is 3 hours behind EST Manup. So it goes until 3am but tonight right? not tomorrow night? I am like 95% done and have sent my link in for my theme...but would like to redo the clock and what not tomorrow morning...which was my original plan. But i got to get to bed like an hour ago =)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] jdwme:
I was under the impression it ends tomorrow night, cause it says the final day is the 13th but midnight of the 13th, not in less than two hours.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] manup456:
@jdwme

Your s#!t must be tight because i have not seen you in a month or so lol....;)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] jdwme:
not really lol. I almost dropped out after seeing yours :) I will say this though, you and I have had a few of the same ideas as far as what to change on the themes on this comp
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] MOONSSPOON:
Submitted. ;)
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] doooshty:
Sorry for any confusion on submission deadline. The deadline is friday before midnight. anyone who has sent in thier theme and needs longer to work on it can resend it until then.
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] clorox:
Can't wait to see all these themes! :D
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] Mikey:
I can see how the developers got confused but i need to say this.

lol

A single day in a week, has one 12midnight in it. That is the time that starts that actual day ;) for further knowledge :)

Good luck to all that have/will enter by the days end.​
[G1 Themes and Wallpapers] antempire4:
So are those who donated going to get a shot at the themes first?
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
Hello,

I apologize if this has been covered... It seems that our forum is unable to search for 3 character terms, specifically "192" and "ram".

The G1 is listed as having 192 megs of memory. Yet, running "free" from my rooted RC33(JF1.41) shows:

$ su
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 99040 96292 2748 0 316
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 99040 96292 2748
#

So, where's my other 96 megs?! If -all- this extra ram is being used for 3d (god forbid) I'd gladly tweak a setting to reclaim more ram for RUNNING APPS, versus bling bling.

Anyone have any ideas here?
[G1 Android Development] LucidREM:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?p=3262422
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
And ofcourse I end up reading the reply to my post -after- i write this one. Edited as I'm an idiot. :)

It still seems to me that 192 megs is A; misleading and B; clearly NOT enough to run this OS, along with radio "firmware" (why cant the radio have its own bloody discrete chip!?)

I presume this huge gaping usage of ram is why the Sprint Touch Pro shows 288 megs of ram; its really 384 with the rest being used by the phone's radio and framebuffer. Gah.

I wonder, will new Android hardware overcome this paltry 96 meg limit?
[G1 Android Development] LucidREM:
indeed .. but that would be why rooting the G1 is so nice .. move files over to a linux EXT2 partition on the SD card and viola!! ultimate space

i have 1.5G dedicated to the G1 .. keeps the phone free and clear
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
Flash is not SDRAM

I could care less about the total amount of installed apps; I've got plenty of free yaffs2 flash for what I end up running...I simply don't want my apps to get oom-killed.

I simply wish to run, ALL CONCURRENTLY, (cpu speed be damned!)

Connectbot

HelloAIM!

PicPush

StreamFurious or Last.fm

Gmail

AND the browser

without one or more (or the home screen) forcibly being killed due to out of memory errors.

Load Browser, 2 or 3 of those always end up dying.

A normal commute for me on the bus: I'm chatting on AIM. I've got a irssi session open on my VPS in Connectbot. Last.fm playing some futurepop. I tap the notification bar to read the new email I have, which contains an HTML link. Click the link...Boom, music stops playing. Close browser, homescreen reloads slowly. Go back to connectbot, well, im disconnected.

RAM = Godly.
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
Let's try this...

# cd /sdcard
# dd if=/dev/zero of=swap.fil bs=1M count=128
128+0 records in
128+0 records out
# mkswap ./swap.fil
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 134213632 bytes
# swapon ./swap.fil
# free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 99040 97112 1928 0 556
Swap: 131064 0 131064
Total: 230104 97112 132992
#
[G1 Android Development] andonnguyen:
What does that do? Does it create a swap file on the sd card?
[G1 Android Development] bakgwailo:
Yessir :)
[G1 Android Development] LucidREM:
i'm slightly hesitant to try .. anyone? good / bad / indifferent???
[G1 Android Development] widto08:
What exactly will this do and will a reboot cancel this?
[G1 Android Development] LucidREM:
even if a reboot didn't cancel it .. the next update.zip would .. unless something was built into it
[G1 Android Development] t1n0m3n:
yeah a reboot will cancel... how can I make this permanent? What file can I put the swapon command into? I just tried init.rc, but that didn't work.
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
PROOF OF CONCEPT ONLY! Serious risks involved, still working on this!

As a test, it works. however:

This has a few(lot of?) problems! :)

Biggest: your sd card cant be mounted as a disk unless you stop swapping. or reboot.

Next: your sd card will die sooner rather than later, as you are doing what it never was intended to do (writing moving data back and forth when its really good just for storing files that may change. sometime.)

Finally, things can start to run slow...VERY slow...

Biggest issue, after my busride with last.fm never stopping, browsing, all the stuff that kept making me angry before. Then i got home and tried to make a phonecall... The dialer worked *reasonably* responsive.. All of about 10s to bring it up. However, MAKING the call took...an eternity.

Hit the green button to dial...phone starts ringing, friend answers, we start talking.. I look at the phone.. black screen...ITS WAITING FOR THE ANDROID PIC AND CALL TIMER THING TO COME UP...40s after i started the call, got a message saying that one process was not responding, force or wait. at this point, when *that* dialog came out of swap, lo and behold the process actually not responding was working fine behind said dialog...

So yeah. its got its benefits, but very large downfalls.

As you *WILL* destroy your flash after an unspecified amount of time, *do not* try to put this on your internal flash. Not in /cache for example. Flash cards are cheap; replacing the g1 because you nuked 64 megs of flash ram is not...

I will test a few methods of separating the flash card from the vfat filesystem (mountable via usb_mass_storage) and report back. Probably partitioning the card, one as swap and such.

ON the other hand, I may also try partitioning 128m as fat16, to make certain the small card's wear levelling scheme is able to do whatever it can to help mitigate the destruction-by-swapping.

Fat32 may not have the same wear levelling mechanisms at the card level on anything less than an SDHC, and guaranteed ext2 wont. Raw swap won't either... As far as I remember, flash wear levelling on sdcards is based entirely on how FAT allocates blocks. (someone knowledgeable about the SD/SDHC and wear levelling feel free to chime in!)

I'll post more later when I try a few more things!
[G1 Android Development] AbsoluteDesignz:
I really hope this turns into a sound solution...and then I can die happy.

Or live with my G1 happily...yea thats better.
[G1 Android Development] t1n0m3n:
Which is why I put it in /system/sd/swap/swap.fil

Not an issue for me. By the time it wears out, I will have upgraded to a newer faster card anyway.

Could this be due to the speed of your SD card? I am already noticing a marked performance increase.
[G1 Android Development] t1n0m3n:
I tell you what, if you can give me an idea of where to make this permanent, I am willing to run this card to destruction. I have another 8G class 6 card ready to go, and can swap out easily at any time. All I have to do is make regular backups on my laptop and I should be good to go. (And even then data loss is not really an issue for me anyway.)
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
Wear levelling..Different than I thought.

Ok, I read a bit into this myself and it seems even back in 2003 wear leveling is done at a very low level: CHS/LBA blocks, versus FAT Blocks.

Sandisk Whitepaper from 2003

I would expect that this sort of wear-leveling is in effect on any of their current cards, including the microsdhc the G1 came with.

As such, it seems swap/ext2 won't have much if any difference compared to FAT filesystems. Its recommended to mount the ext2 with option "noatime" however, so that metadata won't be written for -every single read-.
[G1 Android Development] mystica555:
It seems I haven't read enough about where you can put files.. Is this /system/sd normal for a G1, or is this after you went and moved apps/caches to the SD card?

Indeed! This is mainly a warning to not try and use the phone's internal flash.

I am 90% certain that it is the speed of the card. Note: I am still using the 1gb card that was installed initially, sadly this phone broke me. Payday friday though means a trip to microcenter ;)

That, or you haven't run 64 megs of apps out of main ram into swap. I had a -lot- of junk running in the background, in addition to the laundry list of apps enumerated earlier in the thread. I think it was: connectbot, helloaim, browser with 4 windows, terminal, alarmclock, calendar (twice! wtf) tmo myfaves switcher, last.fm, maps, voice dialer (twice as well?) google talk messaging klaxon and about 2 or 3 others I cant remember. At peak usage, I had 68 megs swap used and all the ram used as well.

There should be a rather quick and dirty way of getting this into an init script. I'll mess with it at lunch tomorrow.

Right now, sleep is calling and this is one call I'm not forwarding to voicemail! :D
[G1 Android Development] t1n0m3n:
/system/sd is my ext2 partition on my SD card that I moved my apps/caches to.