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[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DZWAY007:
I Will Wait for A Real Upgrade

On the surface the Touch Pro 2 (TP2) looks great to me. The screen, the build quality, better speaker phone. But the reality is it is the same hardware, memory, ram, and overall functionality of the original touch pro. Kind of like a car with new paint, rims, and a better sound system. I would not buy it unless it was for a warranty replacement. I would much rather wait for the next generation of phones from HTC that will offer better hardware such as the tegra platform or maybe even the qualcomm snapdragon platform that should provide better graphics performance. And what is up with HTC and crappy camera and video performance???!!! I have a touch pro with nafts 4.2 rom and its great. Before that I owned a Tilt. However the camera and video on this phone is a joke. my old crappy sony 580i 2,0 megapixel and older samsung 1.3 megapixel took pictures faster, sharper, and better color balance than my Fuze/Touch pro. For over $400.00 I think that the consumer should expect a little better effort from a product that costs that much. HTC better be careful because there are other phone producers that are releasing true "convergence" devices that perform adequate in all areas. I love HTC but lately I have been eyeing some upcoming samsung, asus, and LG products because of better performance across the board. I hate having to lug around an additional camera just to get competent pic/video when I have a device that should be able to handle the task but has been crippled due to a) lack of good hardware/cpu. or b)lack of decent cmos lens/sensor. Its ridiculous

PHONE: AT&T FUZE

ROM: NAFT 4.2
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] manny calavera:
I actually liked this one: bigger screen, better resolution, swiveling screen. I currently have a regular Diamond I and was feeling the need for a keyboard and some more battery juice and was considering the Pro upgrade.

With this baby almost out, it'll either be:

Touch Pro becoming cheaper

or

TP II with the bigger screen and offset keyboard. The handsfree/conference call upgrade is also very welcome for me.

I agree that WM devices need a d-pad on occasion and TD/TP has one, but they are not very usable: too easy to hit the "home" key instead of "left" for example. The original HTC Touch had a much better feel.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] torpie13:
Be more ecologic people...

HTC is green, HTC is ecologic, HTC Recycles...

Diamond 2 = Touch HD

Raphael 2 = Raphael 1 with the look of the tilt

lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] dstructiv:
hey guys calm down... the second generation of touch diamond/pro will released in summer 2009 - so the first gerenration was available only 3/4 of a year. so in win winter 2009 or latest in early summer 2010 there will be the next generation - hopefully with a faster cpu (other smartphones are shown with 1GHz-CPU - iATOM-based-smartphones were in discussion, too), a functional cam with a good optics (no plastic!!!) - the number of MPixel is not of such importance if most of the pixels are noise - and a slim, fast an stable OS that can be controlled by fingers without the need of any additional loaders like touchflow, with a flexible use of hardware-buttons (for cam, screen-orientation, communication center and so on), a photo-/video-light (led -> use as pocket-light would be interesting!) and in the case of a buisness-phone - dual-sim-access - for buisness- and private card oder standard-buisness-card and a prepaidcard for foreign countries...

but i think it will take a long time until this imaginated phone is built :-(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nucentury08:
No us 3g

well if you live in the us no us 3g so whats the point
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nucentury08:
no us 3g

Well I guess you dont care about 3g Becuase there's no us 3G For the Tp2 Sorry unless your in the Uk nobody seems to be talking about that
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nucentury08:
Touch pro2

Well Guys It looks Nice But lets be real there's no Us 3g So what's the point And the things that would make it a upgraded phone are not upgraded I.E Cpu Ram Rom Camera So if you are going for just looks and don't want 3G are Hsdpa here in the Us then Get it Are you can Wait for 6.5 And a real Htc phone update 1Ghz cpu update lol...:cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] schnitzelbrain:
http://www.htc.com/europe/product/touchpro2/specification.html

when I look there, same (more or less) CPU.

Same overall specs than TP I.

Slight bigger screen, with the same performance :confused:

And WM 6.1 announced mmh. Maybe 6.5 as an update ?

The only positive is that I do not see a typical pda pen slight in. Maybe it has multitouch and capazitive screen ?

To many maybe's

Another one, no FM radio announced !
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mputtr:
well, the one screen is also wvga which is a tad bit higher.. (something liek 160 pixels more in height)

And i highly doubt multitouch and/or capacitative screen.

I think I'll wait for the Touch Pro 3. maybe with TI's OMAP 4 chipset but who knows.

EDIT: here's the link http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/17/tis-omap-4-bringing-1080p-support-to-smartphones-and-mids/

p.s. I want that diamond back design back. I dont like the brushed metal look.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xboxhaxorz:
Yes it is not diamond anymore with that design, the TP2 definitely is not diamond at all. It looks similar to the gayed up tmobile TP eww.

? Wats capacitative?
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DeepThought:
Seems like neither of the devices has a build-in LED flashlight... that's disappointing. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mputtr:
capacitative is reference to a different type of touch screen. It reacts to static electricity from your skin. As such, using your nail to tap the screen will no longer affect where you tap. Instead it is where your skin actually touches.

Every other touch screen (that I know of) out there is resistive which is based on a grid of pressure sensitive layer which reacts to pressure being put upon a certain part of the screen. hence you can use both your nail and your skin to touch it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] behrouz:
Hardware wise the TP and TP2 would seem to be alike but if you watch the video you can tell that whatever they did to the phone ironed out the kinks that were present in the TP. You never touch Windows Mobile without some sort of skin on it. For example when you press the start menu icon it brings you to a list of programs within touchflo instead of the usual start menu.

Also there was alot less lag when the presenters were going through the UI. Unlike the current gen phones which require madd tweaks in order to get it running halfway decent.

I still have hope for HTC but Ill wait for the reviews before I "upgrade" this time around.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] DaPitt84:
Did anyone look at the specs on htc yet. It only has windows mobile 6.1. So you'd have to update it to get the 6.5 or 7 when they come out. What is up with that.

Compared to the fuze/touch pro it's a little smaller, same processor, same rom and ram, longer and wider, says there is no flashlight(no flash then?), worse battery life for wcdma for a better battery, and looks like it is still the mini usb.

other than the bigger screen and nice look, what is so big that would make me want to switch? I'll wait for the next one or something else that will be upgraded. and no flashlight for somewhat of a flash. That ruins it even more. the phone is bad enough for pictures inside in low light and all. Outside the pics are great but bad otherwise.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] xboxhaxorz:
Oh, thanks. I actually prefer using my nail so i wouldnt care for capacitative although multi touch is something i would care for.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] behrouz:
The TP2 uses the Qualcomm MSM7200A

TP1 uses the Qualcomm MSM7201A

same speed and similar name but different none the less.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] schnitzelbrain:
Not fully true, the screen is capacitive device and ur skin alters the value of capacitance at the point touched. It has nothing to do with static electricity because when u hold the device u and the screen have the same static potential. If the screen is sensitive enough u don't even have to touch it, maybe a distance of a nail is still working.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mputtr:
Oops. then looks like I slightly misunderstood it. I did test out the thing with the nail. It will not work no matter how many times you tap it with your nail unless you get some skin to touch along with it. That's why a stylus is worthless for a phone w/ a capacitative touch screen. Your nail is as good as another stylus.

Also, about the capacitative touch screen. you are right. I did some extra research on it to see specifically how it works.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] maw:
Okay I agree with some points like:

1. if you can put a 5 MP cam in the Diamond 2 why not in the Touch Pro 2?? There is even more room for it! Furthermore I saw somebody wrote that they took away the cam on the front, dude, check your eyes, the cam is still there man! Furthermore it has FM radio, read somewhere that somebody complained it didn't, well it has!

2. The rest of the features are a little the same, conference mode is cool and also the speaker phone option, nice for handsfree calling...

3. I love the fact is has a bigger screen! Great for navigating in the car, browsing etc....

4. I agree that maybe this model is aimed for those who purchased or got a Tilt in the summer/fall 2007 and who's contract is expiring this summer/fall which might explain why this model has a tilted screen feature. I really loved this feature and really miss it with my Touch Pro!

5. The design I find is awesome, it gets a 10 from me, face it guys, stop winding, they delivered on the design part! Especially the weight has been reduced as well as the thickness, its just awesome, give the people some credit at the design department will you?!

I traded my Tilt for a Touch Pro last Christmas, so since my contract is ending in the fall (after 2 years), I will surely get this phone, and take a 1 year contract with it just in case they come with a newer model next year that totally blasts away this one! I guess the model of next year will have:

- a better processor 1 ghz or higher for example

- 1 GB ram and 512 or more MB ROM ?

- same screen I guess, WVGA is awesome man!

- 5 MP camera

- I hope they keep the tilt screen feature....

- I like the new TouchFLO3D as well, awesome!

- for the rest, I'm contented with the features, just needs more power!

Furthermore, dudes, to be honest with you, WM 6.5 looks disgusting!!!! When I saw it it almost made me hurl! I will wait for WM 7 and bypass 6.5.... they can't be seriously contemplating on bringing that fugly OS system man!

This was just my 2 cents on the matter, so I will be getting this phone come fall!
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] swurvv:
New touchflo 3d zoom bar on on the origianl diamond

When is one of these gods on here are going to make a original diamond rom with this new touch flo 3d with the zoom bar come on I really can't wait

Pleaseeeeeeeeee I would love to have this ish on my diamond!!!:)
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] cproaudio:
Let's be realistc here, Every new generation of phones that came out, the owners of current generation will lash out at it. They will find every excuse to not wanting to upgrade. When I got my Tilt, Hermes users swore up and down that the Tilt is not worth the upgrade. It only added the tilting screen and GPS, big whoop. Then Touch pro came out and the Tilt owners swore up and down, that TP is not worth the upgrade. It added VGA to the same small screen, an over clocked processor, a radio, tv out and worst of all no tilting screen, big whoop. Now that TP2 is coming out, I see the same excuse from TP owners, it only added bigger screen, no D-pad (I cant live with out my dpad).

If you ask me, the ultimate phone would have

4.3" WXGA 90 degree tilting AMOLED 500nit screen

Capacitive multi touch screens with capacitive stylus

3.2MP front camera with LED flash

24MP rear camera with dual Xeon flash with switchable AF, 3X optical zoom 12x digital zoom, 3200iso

captures 1080P video @120fps to QVGA @ 3200fps Quad LED light doubles as IR night vision

1080P LED projector

Dock port supports HDMI out, A/V in, USB-OTG port

1ghz+ dual core CPU

dual storage card support (1MicroSDXC, 1 SDXCIO)

dual SIM card support

3.5mm headphone and mic jack

2048MB RAM

8192MB ROM

hardware button includes power, scroll wheel, vol u/d, track ball and 10 programable buttons

accelerometer

gyro sensor

compass

proximity sensor

2400mah battery 4800mah extended battery

Stereo loud speakers with full-duplex speaker phone

A,B,G,N WiFi

BT supports ALL protocols

forward facing IrDA

AGPS

DTV tuner, radio

dual network CDMA+GSM, EVDO rA+HSUPA, WiMAX+LTE 800,850,900,950,1700,1800,1900,2100mhz

Quad boot (Windows Mobile, Symbian, Android, iPhone)

65x120x17mm 175g

I would buy this in a heart beat even if I had skip a mortgage payment.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] schnitzelbrain:
(Dont want to quote the whole text :)

Whats the Name of this grown mans candy and where should i send the money:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mattyman:
Here's an interesting story for all of us Aussie Telstra haters.

http://www.australianit.news.com.au/story/0,24897,25076491-15306,00.html

It involves the theft of a test Touch Pro2 or Diamond2 from Telstra reps in Barcelona. The reps were testing WM 6.5 on it ...
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mputtr:
I think you're over reacting cproaudio. It's not lashing at the next generation but seeing if it is worth the upgrade. Most of the upgrades on the TP2 are software. There are very few things that warrant an upgrade for me. If there was some major hardware upgrade like the tilt to TP then yes, that would make me change my mind.

P.S I do like the specs that you listed for the "ultimate phone". I made me shiver a little
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hg23:
Wow, a lot of people hating on this device. I guess if I had bought the original Touch Pro like I wanted to, I wouldn't feel the need to upgrade either. But that being said, the device looks more aesthetically pleasant (IMHO), has a bigger screen (a la Touch HD), tilting screen (which many people complained about), and more expansive Touch Flo to hide the Win Mo 6.1 Plus it gets a free upgrade to Win Mo 6.5

Am I missing something? Sounds like a winner. Another note, all the reviews I've read so far say the Touch Flo 3d is snappier than ever and even the test models looked ready for production.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] lbhocky19:
the new tf3d is already on the HD and will be on the original TP soon thats why people say its not that big of an improvement except the screen
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] mputtr:
Well in terms of the tilt which people didn't like. This was because the tilting mechanism somehow makes the phone weaker.. more vulnerable to dmg.

The bigger screen is definitely a +.

that and also the zoom bar which I wish I had it.

Winmo 6.5 though, some people say it's nice but it's not what they expected.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] sguerra923:
Is there an estimated release date for this bad boy? I hope they push it back! Cause I just got the FUZE! ahahhaha :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] hg23:
This is true, but for those of us in the US, the HD isn't an option. It seems like not too long ago people were clamoring for the HD to come to the US...even with the Pro on Sprint and AT&T. Some people just said '3g be d@mned' and imported the HD anyway. I dunno, sounds like HTC was listening and gave us not 1 WVGA device, but 2.

I agree they should've put a 5MP camera on the Pro2 but I am willing to bet it's a marketing strategy so as not to completely eclipse the diamond2.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] nitroblu:
tru, but it's still stupid. the diamond and pro both have 3.2MP now, and the diamond sales did ok (i don't know actual figures, but based on what I've seen ppl carrying LOL). it's a really stupid move i tihnk. i love they got rid of that useless d-pad to give more screen space, but a lack of 5MP camera on the TP2 is a real waste. I just might have to move to the N97 :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] AttackBerry:
.No one "owns" multi-touch, Apple tried to patent their gestures. Also, Google os not worried about making nice with any company; especially Apple. (5 billion only!!) Google >>> Apple.

As for this phone, NO thanks. I'll wait until the 4th quarter when HTC drops ******* :eek::cool::D
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] tamanaco:
Hmmm, still no 3.5mm headphone jack?... HTC was able to squeeze one on the slimmer HD, but not on the TP2.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] randy_c:
Touch Pro 2 will be avail for north America. I guess it will be 3G for AT&T but I really like diamond 2. Look so good...

http://htcsource.com/index.php/HTC/Twitter-News-HTC-Touch-Pro2-heading-to-the-U.S.-market.html
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] iantaylor27:
Acer m900

The Acer M900 looks so much better and has even better gps chipset than touch pro 2, i also like the samsung processor better and it should be out before touch pro 2 hits.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] chsoriano:
After reading all 8 pages of this thread... why has no one asked about that conference calling app from the screenshot? Is that an application that's been available, purely a mock up, or something available outside of the US only? I like it... and a conference calling app would be awesome.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] bishop75:
Hello there,

My brother have an iphone which i dont have (i'm more about windows devices, htc diamond for me) ! And he showed me an application that is absolutly amazing : AroundMe ...

Is that by any chance, a way to have this app on my diamond ?? :confused:

Thanks a lot !

Bishop.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] l3v5y:
GoogleMaps, and some other Google services offer this. I'll try and find a link now.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] mmoonsamy:
try the latest 2.03 rom - comes with google maps :cool:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] bishop75:
I have just done that ! The last version of google map is impressive !!!!!! :eek:

What a change between the last one (1.5months older) ...

I have to say that google is putting some kind of heavy app on the table here !!!

Thanks a lot guys for everything !

Have a good day !

Bishop

PS: But if you have any more idea on this topic dont hesitate to write it down ...
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] R3dD3vil:
on my diamond i have the igo 8.3 and fully updated, POI's and MAP's and give's me every restaurant, coffe shop, hotel and so on, everywhere in europe(my continent) with the maps and poi for other continents is the same, the best gps software for win mobile.:D:D:cool::cool:
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] derekwhite:
to R3dD3vil

do u still have IGO 8.3 cab file
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] quserdy:
watch out for tweets near me
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] westland touch diamond:
around me app

ht tp://w w w.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/92151fd7-5628-4e41-9b18-f9dd1936dc65. this should get it for you. ill take it my self to . but before u go there make acounts to windows live and zune they are free ,and u need to get it from phone browser

---------- Post added at 11:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 11:01 AM ----------

if u enable POI from igo 8 u have the same results
[General Topics] intimidatorx31:
WOW BREAKING NEWS

Touch Pro 2 News From engadget.com (http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/)

DETAILED INFORMATION HERE: http://www.htc.com/www/press.aspx?id=83956
[General Topics] whatledog:
I just wish it had tv-out or I'd get it (or the diamond2):( I guess I'm the one who uses that feature a lot on my omnia.

Edit: My bad... It DOES have tv-out:)))
[General Topics] RxenDrav:
awesome..

now i know why peoples selling their phones:D

Support HTC
[General Topics] rogmar:
The TouchPro 2 seems more like the Tytn II replacement to me,

I LIKE.​
[General Topics] ~~Tito~~:
The touch pro is more business oriented. . . so it probably wont have alot of media features were hoping it has :(.
[General Topics] zyborg:
A dump promise

Hopefully, someone will soon get their hands on these units to dump the ROMs and port them to Touch Diamond and Touch Diamond Pro.;)
[General Topics] THE GRIZZ:
1-very nice but the lack of d-pad and other buttons is annoying as hell.

2-lets hope the fix the very very poor performance of the diamond this time http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZHYimU-VHM&feature=related

3-also software,themes,apps development forums will be too segmented. diamond ,diamont2,tpro,tpro2, blackstone,x1 are all very similar phones(internally). is there a clean and logical way to combine them.

4-whats the code names of these two devices
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
very nice. Shame they wont work for more than about 3 minutes before something falls off/a random onboard chip of some random nature starts to malfunction.

HTC, design phones then get someone decent to manufacture them.... you cant manufature for toffe.
[General Topics] zyborg:
"...something falls off". Please explain. I've had the Diamond for 2/3 of a year now and nothing has "fallen off"....

In my opinion, the build quality of HTC products is impeccable.
[General Topics] Monty Burns:
My experience of HTC hardware is far from good. BlueAngel (dead speaker), two TyTN's, one TyTN II and now a TD - all and i mean ALL of them have had at least one warranty repair or replacement. Actually , thats a lie: TD was sent back for a full refund under UK consumer law as "Not Fit For Purpose" as at the time there was no way to play music without the famous skipping/pause issue.

Just fire up google and use terms like "HTC" "hardware" "fault" "Issue" and so on .... you'll soon see what a timebomb of a device you have.

My Toshiba G900 and now Omnia have restored my faith in Smartphones and there reliability.
[General Topics] chrisrc1985:
thats odd....my TyTNII(Kaiser, from USA) has been nothing short of amazing, and it has taken its share of nasty falls!

anyone know what carrier in the U.S will be providing the TP2??

im praying its AT&T, Its almost time for an upgrade, and I think im in love ;)
[General Topics] shorty66:
Perhaps you got some Gremlins :-P

My HTC phones all work like they did on their first day. I didnt have any hardware Problems and the software problems where solved by this nice Community.

Ok, i hve to admit that HTC really doesnt care that much software-wise... I bet they wont release proper drivers for these devices either...

Thats no problem for me though, as i wont buy another arm or qualcom based Smartphone anyway. Im up for atom-powered voice capable MIDs now.
[General Topics] finisterre:
Hmmm. Quite fancy the Pro 2. Shame it doesn't have a slightly beefier processor though. I'm sure these will be replaced by Snapdragon or Tegra devices shortly after I buy one!
[General Topics] operative1:
i opened a similar thread but it's closed cause i was to slow :P

now my question again ;)

what's that "zoom bar" supposed to do :confused:
[General Topics] drama2747:
but if HTC devices are built so horribly, why use them over and over?
[General Topics] THE GRIZZ:
my guess its just the touchwheel from diamond and tpro. not that usuful if you ask me since they could have added more usfel buttons with dpad or remove it for the sake of bigger screen or just remove it to make the phone smaller.