yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Networking] wizzkidd:
Hi guys,

I've been a HTC and Windows Mobile user a little while now. I previously had a Trinity (HTC 3600) and now I have the Touch HD. It has come to my attention that I really need to figure out what the data terminology really means.

I have noticed that when using my phone, data connections are automatically initiated when I perform/launch specific applications that are obviously using a data connection, such as:

- Google Maps

- Tom Tom Traffic

- Internet (opera/internet explorer)

- Manilla 3D Weather

- Manilla Photo uploading

- etc.

I have found it annoying at times that data connections have started without informing me, and then to make things worse, the connection doesnt cancel at the end of its task, it needs a manual disconnect.

I've gradually gone through the settings of most programs, turning off any form of "automatic update" setting. So im happier knowing that most of the time my phone shouldnt be unexpectidly in the middle of a data connection.

But on occasions I look at my phone, and see that its had a data connection open for over an hour (although my guess is that hardly any data has been transfered on these occasions).

So firstly, could anyone reccomend any programs that can monitor my data connections or usage and even force me to give authorisation whenever a data connection is requested?

Secondly, I find that if I have my wifi connection connected, all apps that try to use a data connection use this to channel their data through, this is perfectly fine and is the behaviour I expect, but when I'm using Windows Messenger on my phone, while on wifi, for some unknown reason, it feels it can establish another data connection (regardless of the wifi being connected and operating) - and that is very annoying.

Most of my concerns stem from the fact that I only have off-peak free data time on the web with my provider (Orange).

Lastly, could someone help explain the differences between:

GPRS

3G

HSDPA

I think GPRS is what sat nav apps use for geographical positioning using satelites, and its free. But im not sure about the others, are there others that I am unaware of too. I think 3G and HSDPA are data connections, but what makes one different from the other, and why is it only sometimes 3G is used, and another time HSDPA is used?

Im in London, UK, and I notice on my phones signal bar, that it can often change to show a "G" or a "H" or a "3G" and there could be others. This is all so confusing, and my main concern is about paying for data connections etc.

Oh... and whats the difference, or whats the point of telling the phone to use "Work" or "The Internet", this also confuses me.

Although this is a bit of a long winded post, I'll appriciate any bits of help and advice given.

Thanks in advanced,

WizzKidd
[Networking] wizzkidd:
Ok, i've been doing some reading, and for the sake of those who "search" these forums in the future, this post will at least have an answer (even if im kinda answering it myself).

My understanding is as follows:

The 4 data channels are: GSM / GPRS / 3G / EDGE

In order of their age (oldest to newest)...

GSM: (Global System for Mobile communications)

- The European standard for the majority of handsets.

- Primary usage is voice.

- Tri-band GSM allow Europe to operate these phones and Quad-band GSM allows some Far East to operate.

- Can be used with the GPRS core network for data.

GPRS:

- One of the first widely used data channels

- Can transmit data of up to 60 KBits/sec

- is battery friendly

EDGE: (Exchanged Data rates for GSM Evolution)

- based on GPRS

- Can transmit up to 473.6 KB/its per second

- ideal for heavy webpages, and downloading email attachments etc

3G:

- Originally for video data calls but also efficient for web/email, im and voip

- very popular channel, most UK and some European networks now have 3G networks and with speeds similar to EDGE

- not battery friendly when searching for new 3G connections

HSDPA: (High speed Downlink Packet Access)

- Based on 3G technology

- Supports speeds of up to 7.2 MBits/sec (but in reality you usually get 3Mb/s)

- very good for high bandwidth usage like video streaming

So, what ive gathered from all this is that the phone can switch its data channel depending on how demanding the application is for bandwidth and also what data channels are available in the area.

Please correct me if i am wrong, assumtions and corrections is the best way to learn.

Thanks,

Wizzkidd

PS. I still dont see the point of Windows Mobile asking me if this network is connected to "Work" or "The Internet".
[Networking] Coude:
Isn't HSDPA also called 3G+ ?
[Networking] hadimassa:
GPRS

Hai Wizzkidd

What you can do is: put gprs off. Go to settings-> connections-> connections. On the tab tasks you wil see: my isp. Open de link modify and select your isp. Hold it down and remove settings.

You will still be able to make phonecalls and sms. You will have to get your updates etc... through wifi or sync.
[Networking] DroidDotBot:
me to, Orange/(3G) - are they the same ?????

firstly = http://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/ - not TESTED on my ELF { http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=318414&page=4 }

secondly = I had to 'make do' with a 'modem', for a bit. A '3' ZTE MF622 USB modem, it uses hdspa/3G. network3's website, classes this modem as a phone/sim - was PAYG, though (mythree. . . . ) - - - - THE HDSPA downloaded, "" faster at times than virgin-cabled Bband did !!! "" - watch [task mgr]->[network]

thirdly = NICE ONE !!! 9.75/10 for the (101/explaination's of the connections) and the check Ur not updating Ur Apps, all/some of the time.

shame the [comm mgr]->[phone]="wake on lan"/(x)

still under usb, i cannot Ms Direct push / Data connect

only LIVE via usb - NO WIFI (connected, but ...)
[Networking] roscop88:
networks

Hi,

I think your question about preventing automatic connection has been explained.

As for GPRS, 3G and HSDPA,

They are all cellular data connections but will vary in speed and stability.

GPRS and EDGE (can provide what each stand for but i am sure google would do the work for me)

They are the packet data networks when using the 2G networks. GPRS (2.5G f you will) has downlink speeds of around 28kb/s and EDGE (2.75G) 100kb/s.

3G (UMTS) max's out around 384kb/s and officially HSDPA (3.5G) can is commercially available at 7.2mbps. All the speeds above are network dependant as all can be capped.

Most operators are now testing HSDPA and HSUPA (3.75G - same downlink speed as HSDPA but faster uplink, the speed however escapes me :) ) on speeds greater than 7.2mbps.

You will not be charged differently for each network type and each will come out of a data plan at the same rate.

The 2G networks are more stable but slower and the 3G networks are faster but due to congestion issues the connections have been known to drop as i am sure some other users will agree.

The thing sat nav software uses for positioning is GPS (Global positioning system) and not GPRS (general packet radio service). GPS is a handset feature like wifi or bluetooth and nothing to do with the network.

Hope that helps.

Cheers

Ross
[Networking] neo_na:
HSDPA

Hey guys, I just wana know if any of you know how to make your phone connect using hsdpa only. Because this is realy fast compared to other connections, and its annoying when the device switches to gprs or some other type of connection which makes the net super slow.:)
[Networking] Babydollll:
Ok GSM is a wireless technology like CDMA it has very little to do with actual data use.

GPRS(2G), EDGE(2.5G), UMTS(3G), HSDPA (also 3G), HSUPA(3G yet again), HSPA+(3.5G) All of these, are technologies that allow internet connectivity or data transfer, at different speeds. Depending on the tech your service provider uses your speeds will vary, that being said, you, don't pay extra when your connection switches.

GPRS: General Packet Radio Service...

Pipsqueak approved this message
[Networking] neo_na:
Hey guys, it seems that you can simply select WCDMA only option in your setting to connect using only HSDPA. :)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
edit Feb13: Opera Turbo http://www.opera.com/press/releases/2009/02/12/ does exactly what i want to do. so does toonel (it refuses to run on my device though)

anybody willing to work on this? i looked it up but got nothing as there are no full-fledged bandwidth friendly web browser.

adding the ability for opera mobile to use these proxies (like opera mini) would make opera far more usable to many people that use their phones on hsdpa/3g/edge/gprs

UCweb and opera mini both use a transcoding proxy for all their http traffic. for example loading www.engadget.comm on opera mobile is about 1MB vs only 80KB for the same page on UCweb or 90kb on opera mini. the smaller version have no flash and lower quality pictures (not that important on a phone tiny screens and resolutions)

for me a good compromise is to use two browsers one for wifi (opera mobile with all it cool features) and another for 3g/edge(UCweb). but i rather simplify my life + it would be really good to make use of all the extra featurs of opera mobile when browsing in low badwidth mode
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
btw

for thoes that dont know it, the advantages of using a browser like opera mini and UCweb:

-significantly cheaper (should be about %80 cheaper)for thoes that dont have flat rate.

-much faster experiance especially for thoes who are on edge.

-better battery life since you can turn off 3G and still maintain a reasonable speed browsing the low badwidth version of the same page on edge/gprs.

-telco blocked sites work
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] schaggo:
I dunno about a proxy you can configure your browser onto. But I do know:

http://www.skweezer.com/ and the (IMHO) better http://www.mlvb.net/ since its a lot more configurable.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
thanks schaggo

your two sites are very usuful to what i want to do indeed. i will play with them some more to see if i can get them to run better on my wvga Xperia

it would however be very useful to to somehow get opera mobile make to use them or a similar site as proxy with a flick of a button.

i wonder if such a simple and useful feature is on the to do list of a future opera mobile version
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] schaggo:
I havent thought that one through, but couldnt you just set a prefix in the options (opera:config) which goes like http://www.mlvb.net/ which then would preceed all the adresses you enter. No...?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] eiben_robert:
You should check Toonel

http://www.toonel.net/

It is free and it has a windows mobile version (check the downloads page).

I used it a couple of times with opera mobile and it works.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] schaggo:
This is abso-excuse me-****ing-lutely great! Seriously, in 3 years I was looking for something like this and today you point it out to me!

Do you maybe want a new car? Or coffee machine? Maybe my wife? :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
never got toonel to work on my device but i just got to read this

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2906

'Opera Turbo" comes to Windows Mobile

Just when you thought browsing couldn’t get any faster, Opera unveils its latest innovation for better browsing, Opera Turbo.

Opera Turbo is a compression solution, similar to its Opera Mini, which will be usable on the desktop with Opera and also for Opera Mobile. It reduced data transfer by up to 80%, thereby speeding up browsing. By taking the processing load onto Opera’s servers it will also allow low-end devices to enjoy a good web experience and fully supports dynamic Web technologies such as Ajax and Flash.

In a press release Jon von Tetzchner, CEO, Opera Software said "We are living in a time and place where access to the Web should be a universal right to all. Technology has advanced us to the point that we can very nearly access the Internet anytime and anywhere from a growing number of devices,", "As part of Opera’s commitment to provide the best experience on any device, Opera has developed the Opera Turbo solution.”

The service is to be demonstrated at Mobile World Congress, and is to be sold to cell phone carriers and OEM’s as a way to conserve resources and provide end users with a good web experience independent of the hardware or network conditions.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] Ather:
i would like a coffe machine :D
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
white paper for opera turbo. hope it works better than toonel

worth a read very short paper

http://www.opera.com/business/file/Opera_Turbo_white_paper.pdf
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] the_fish:
stupid question:

anyone got a proxy i can use with toonel? :p
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] [deXter]:
You might also be interested in Google Wireless Transcoder. Though not as many options as in mlvb or skweezer, it's definately faster than them.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
Google Wireless Transcoder is blocked in my country becuse horny teens might end up using it to watch low quality pixelated heavely compressed dirty pictures. the only reason why skweezer and mlvb still work is because our proxy people did not notice them yet

bad jokes aside, i think a browser with this (transcoding)or similar feature will be a major thing to be supported
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] the_fish:
doesnt opera mobile already support that? by turning it on, the rendering seems to be done elsewhere, although the pictures are still loading slower, this is pretty damn useful!

EDIT: @dexter: wow, the google proxy is damn fast!
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] patomas:
Opera mini

I've tried the various site (ie the google's one). They work, quite well, but you loose completely the original format of the web pages. You win the zoom capability of Opera mobile.

But I still think the last version of OperaMini/Jbed is faster and easier.

Really irnterested though in this new Opera Turbo. We will see.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
you are talking about opera mini(UCWEB is better if you ask me btw) and that ties you to a simple browser

wish i could test the google proxy. whats the ip address of that server mabe they forgot to block the ip address in our proxy?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] schaggo:
Too many expenses this month and I just got a Touch Pro while still holding on to my XPERIA. I guess you'd have to wait another month or so :p

:eek: <- first par of msg

but yeah, youre right, speeding up mobile browsing is a good thing to do, especially if - on top of it - compresses the datastream and you save some bandwith. Theres only one major flaw until now: there is the word b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s in the URL to the whitepaper, seems like its something you have to license and pay bigtime to use it. Hmmm...

Guess not. Enter opera:config in Opera Mobile and in the searchfield which will appear on the page which loads enter turbo and do a search. Tick the checkbox and restart Opera...
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] THE GRIZZ:
i enabled the turbo mode like schaggo said but there is no difference in speed or anything if it does nothing why do they include it
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] schaggo:
I think the Turbo-option in Opera Mobile has nothing (not yet, at least) to do with the announced Opera Turbo-technology. Because the option is there since like ever, long before Opera announced Turbo. It has to be something different, this option triggers, I have no idea what, though.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dr_tracker:
This is the Turbo Mode currently available in Opera:

Taken from: several blogs in my.opera.com, including Tamil's one.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] THE GRIZZ:
thanks for the clarification. the real opera turbo seems very promising. it should be available next week right?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] dr_tracker:
Just like shaggo said in a previous post. Opera Turbo seems like a technology that will be licensed to phone companies and OEMs so we are at their expense to take advantage of such a promising tech.

However, me being Opera & Co. would include it free at least on their desktop version, given that they are nowhere to be seen in the desktop browser market, driven by IE and FF, heck even Chrome is more important than Opera. This would push a few more people to use it on their desktops and would help them a lot to make the jump to more devices and OEMs.

That's just me, but what do I know.
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ww2250:
You may also want to try the following

zipproxy: http://ziproxy.sourceforge.net/

rabiit proxy: http://rabbit-proxy.sourceforge.net/

skweezer: http://www.skweezer.com/
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] ww2250:
Then it's doomed. Telcos won't provide anything to hurt their own data income, would it?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] schaggo:
It doesnt look that bad for them. Read this quite important part of the white paper:

Now WHO wouldnt pay for such data? Its not just only the traffic on specific sites, its ALL traffic of ALL websites visited and ALL data downloaded. Quite valuable, isnt it...? ;)
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] THE GRIZZ:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Om...2=0xcfcfcf&hl=en&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

looking really good

http://my.opera.com/operamobile/blog/2009/03/26/opera-mobile-9-7-beta-for-windows-mobile

no cabs floating around yet?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
saw that yesterday, very nice indeed.

the next step for Opera people is to do transcoding and compression on the actual flv flash stream like. to make videos watchable on slower and expensive connections. complicated but but very doable. skyfire already doing that very well
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] agovinoveritas:
Okay, I tried this on my desktop Opera (Alpha 10) it seems to work well enough. I dumped this on my ancient test laptop and it flew!... However althought it might be great on my laptop, am I strange to say that I still hate the crazy times it takes for Opera to even start on a Hermes? It takes to long... if it came down to it i prefer Opera Mini foR day to day! By the way my vercion on Ucweb6.3 does not connect to its proxy server, thus useless to me. Anyone had the same issue?
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
"OpenGL ES

Hardware acceleration with OpenGL ES support, ensuring smoother scrolling, panning and a more fluid user interface."

...ineresting feature. thats an intresting approuch to get WM devices to display iphon like smoothness and fluidity in its applications. hope other developers take notice
[Windows Mobile Development and Hacking General] fatso485:
the opera people are sure taking their time

anybody knows any update on this
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] damir-bosna:
Hi fellas,

I wanted to ask you which of the Wiki-solutions is the best to solve the htc universal battery issue.

I'm not sure which one should I try, so I'm asking you for your opinion.

thx in advance
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] orb3000:
The best it to buy a new battery, they are cheap now

If you want to try somethin else try here: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=979817&postcount=29

Don´t forget to vote

Good luck,
[JASJAR, XDA Exec, MDA Pro ROM Development] damir-bosna:
thx for the reply, i've already voted:)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Esbrugalhose:
After watching everybody with problems in adding contacts and programs, i tryed to found what was diferent in my Himalaya (it was working fine in my Hima!).

So i found that when I was trying to make M2D working in Himalaya, i previously installed lots of diferent software, and i did not see what i had diferent from you guys...

BUT KNOW I KNOW!!!!

I had 2 more .cabs in my Hima, they make the diference!!!

FOLLOW THIS STEPS:

See this thread here first:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=398173

From there download this update: »[UPDATE 16] September 26, 2008«

Inside the folder "NEEDED FILES" you'll find lots of .cab files

1 - Install "01. OX-ManilaCompatibleSharedDLL.cab"

It will ask to Reboot - Ok reboot!

2 - Install "02. ContactFix.cab"

3 - Download and install this .cab file from here: http://rapidshare.com/files/152207282/Manilla2D-Jack.cab.html

4 - Install "16. Manilla2D_HTC_Patch.CAB"

5 - Soft reset the device... et voila! See now if you can add contacts and programs!

Did not test other functions, but they might need other .cabs in package to run.

NOTES;

I've tryied the M2D version inside the package "15. 2d.Manila.Engine-Beta-0.09.cab"

Works also, but it's more heavy, so Jack version is better.

Also tryed install M2D costumizer with other themes and it's working fine.

HOPE THIS HELP YOU!

Send me your feedback.

(Running on WM6.1 ProEdition CE OS 5.2.21109 (build 21109.2.1.0 NOK) This ROM is very very fast and so far no issues detected)

Thanks to those who uploaded the .cabs first
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] simon_cbb:
Hi

Thanks for the links but i think the first file has a problem the it only downloads 11.3 kb and the file size is 11mb correct me if am wrong.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] abdul.rafay7:
great work thanx....:):):)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Esbrugalhose:
The links are working... must be something on your pc!

i'll try to find more links....
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Esbrugalhose:
If you continue with problems about downloading try this link: http://rapidshare.com/files/153782118/Manilla2D-Jack.cab.html

Did not test the cab but might work also ;-)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] The_hesham:
Can u hv megaupload lonk pls.?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] abdul.rafay7:
speed was fine ...i got 45 ...50 kbps...

everythings fine..but i cant add people and programs..can anybody help me?:confused:
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] afr33s:
Contacts and Program tabs not working

Same here. Not possible to add contacts or programs to the respective tabs... it looks nice though!;)
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] reefsucks:
OOT

afr33s san„ are u sure use XDA2i/alpine with nokser WM6.1 ? thx....

i've been download the manila2D there is no problem with those link...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] simon_cbb:
hi thanks guys links are ok was my comp. having the same issues no cant add programs or contacts etc.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] mns123:
Downloaded without any problem, Installed- Looks great.

But alas! Same problem- Cannot Add People or Programs. Internet- Launch Browser- not working. Settings- Sounds and Wallpaper no effect.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] afr33s:
Good Point! Got some new phones recently and mixed up which was which!

Event the main XDA-developers page says that the XDA IIi may be an Andes or an Alpine!

It is indeed a Himalaya / XDA II!:D
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] elementar:
Whats roms these play to?
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] tanus:
I have same problem. With contacts, programs and etc.
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Jadel:
After the new instructions in post 1:

*Programs and contacts now work

*Links on Internet tab do not work

*Images on album page work, but do not correctly fit to box....HTC Album only loads briefly and then shuts

*Music tab gives "Cannot play file" error, haven't tested with MP3

EDIT: Installing the Audiomanager removes this error, though I have no MP3s on my phone to test more.

*Cannot add location on Weather page, location list is blank. Probably missing link to .xml list.

I will look into fixes...
[MDA II, XDA II, 2060 Windows Mobile 6 Upgrading] Dr.Chaos:
Keep it up

Very interesting project. Keep us informed.