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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
i found something strange, that the file size on two mirror servers are different:

while the cab file on france mirror is 310238 bytes

and on USA mirror 310105 bytes.

before i update, i verified on my PC that the files are 310103 bytes.

I'll check if there are problems on the ftp server?

What is the file size do you have?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sabamimi:
Hi,

310,238 , I took it from the french mirror.

I will try the US now and let you know.

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sabamimi:
Certificate installed:

Cab from the US mirror -> same error message

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
Thanks for your confirmation. you said that the testing .cab (which attached directly in the thread) works. maybe the problem is on the download server. I'll try later in the evening.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Cyclu:
Same problem size difference, and cab "installation a échoué".
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I changed all download links on the server. now the file size returned to normal, and i think this time the cab installation problem is resolved.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] 12aon:
Hi there!

So the new cabs install fine no, cert needed. But I got an error when I tried to go from montparnasse to the first of the notredame stations. Thought I'd report it to you. I'll also have a look at the dutch language XML when I have some time, it can use a few updates ;), Check the screenshot for the error, first line is: exceptioncode: 0x0000005

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[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I confirm that error, when

From = Montparnasse - Bienvenue

To = Notre-Dame-de-Lorette

**AND** Departure = 2h00 of morning -> there are no more metros at that moment

Cause:

Bug in the kernel.

Thanks for given this bug report, I'll fix it soon.

UPDATE:

This bug is fixed, a new version is uploaded.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Yuuki_Minoru:
this app looks great, something that Windows Mobile has desperately needed for some time.

I hope some day soon someone will make a map for my home city (Sydney Australia).
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sabamimi:
Successful Installation

Yep, ;), this time it's working...

3 small comments on the French translation:

1. The info page title should be:

Information sur l'application (and not l'information sur l' appli)

2. On the same page, the first button label should be:

A propos (and not A propose)

3. on the same page the minimize button should be labeled:

Minimiser (and not Minimizer)

Hope this helps

Thanks for this nice looking Metro Guide

Cheers
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I'm adding Nightshift Buses (Noctilien) on Paris map, and with full timetable, you know it has a lot of work.

You could start on Sydney maps if you want to enter the circle :)

Resources and manuals are available at 2nd post or on the site, and i'm ready to respond all your questions.

Thanks for your correction, will correct soon.

i still need to improve my french ;).

Update -> already corrected in version 1.1.3.60
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mad_the_cat:
Very cool and useful project.

Excelent work :)

But everytime I tried to create a new Map I get the following Error

(Or is Frankfurt am Main still in work by some other persons? :) )

And after i said " continue/ignore"

greets
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
Thanks for the report, i'll have a look at this.

The stacktrace you showed is useful for investigation.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sabamimi:
I wish my Chinese was as good as your french ;)

Edit: Been twice to Beijing but never went past niaw and chi chi (sorry for the spelling!)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] papo:
x_sliver: did you tried to contact guys who made Métro application?

They've done a swell job and it's been up since like 20 years, started on Palm and they have over 400 mapped cities there and it's kept updated.

Problem is no one is about to update interface, it's VERY slow and old style,

they are currently seeking someone to join in the project to recreate interface.

It would be awesome if you guys would join forces and put things together!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
They have to ensure compatibilities on every platform, i think that is the reason why the interface has never changed.

I used it after someone told me such a software, the loading is slow (on big maps) but their search engine works fast.

I'm happy to improve the search algorithm and simulate better the reality of public transport systems (like different timetable for different days). not just on interface.

Me and my friends will work and the Programs as well as maps. and the contributors like you will keep the map base rich.

This is an open project, so i will continue working on.

PS. CityAdvisor will run on Windows Phone 7 and planned to run on Android (with the help of my friend.)

BY THE WAY, I do a little bug fix and a map release.:

MapCreator 1.0.9 is released:

Fixed a critical bug when creating a new map

A new map is released

Map of Amiens / France with full timetable of Ametis

from line 1 to line 11
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] daywalker72:
Map of Frankfurt

Hi,

yes, I made a map of Frankfurt for personal use, because it is not complete and not correct. I mad it with Underground, S-Bahn, Busses und Trams and a few Walk-Connects. Frankfurt is diffcult because of the many exceptions and the many ways of some busses on different days.

And I think laureus is working on one.

If you want I can mail you my map as a starting point.

bye

daywalker72
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] bbonzz:
Milan map updated: x-sliver will publish it soon :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] markpud:
This was my first thought when I saw this app... Metro is really useful for the sheer amount of maps it has inside, but it's interface looks pre-historic on a modern smartphone and I have to guess what half of the little icons do!

Would love to swap it away for this app, but it needs a critical mass of maps first.. If there was any way of reading Metro's maps in, that would be amazing... will watch this topic and see how it goes!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
The MILAN (MILANO) / ITALY map is uploaded and everyone can download it here:

http://cityadvisor.net/c_download/Product.aspx?pid=14

Thanks again to bbonzz for his work, who made Milan a FULL MAP :)

This is a FullMap so the map is 1.3MB, please be patient when loading this map.

By The way:

The additional map format is developed, implied and tested both on MapCreator and CityAdvisor, With this new format, MapCreator generates a map with 65% smaller than it's original XML format, and 60% faster when loading by CityAdvisor.

This feature will active when next release of CA and MC, and XML formats are always supported and necessary.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] heidi_lu:
NYC Subway

Been looking for an app like this, it will be very good if we can have one for New York City subway system.. please?:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mad_the_cat:
Since your last MapCreator Update it works fine on my system :)

Now i know what you mean 0.o

I haven't recognised that Frankfurt has such an "unregular" personal transportation system :/

e.g. lot of trains are only driving on workdays, or a train depatures Mo-Fri & Sundays at 0:28 but on Saturdays at 0:26.

But I can't tell MapCreator to do so.

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EDIT: Now I've copied a first testfile/timetable, created with the new MapCreator, to my newly installed Phone. Now i get this Error when showing the installed maps:

CityAdvisor.exe
IndexOutOfRangeException

bei x_sliver.CityAdvisor.FrmSelectMap.GetCityInfo(String s)
bei x_liver.CityAdvisor.FrmSelectMap.FrmSelectMap_Load(Object sender, EventArgse)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Form.OnLoad(EventArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Form._SetVisibleNotify(Boolean fVis)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.set_Visible(Boolean value)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Form.ShowDialog()
bei x_sliver.CityAdvisor.FrmSettings.FrmSettings_MouseUp(Object sender, MouseEventArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
bei System.Windows.Forms.Control.WnProc(WM wm, Int32 wParam, Int32 IParam)

and so on
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I'm working on this -> Called Special TimeTable

The principle and algorithm test is OK, now need coding and testing
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mad_the_cat:
:) sounds great...

Do you have someone for the german translation?

A few phrases aren't optimal and my german ist much better than my englisch :D

greets
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
someone helped me last year with 0.7 verison, but there are many evolutions now, the new phrases are just translated by google :/. so any help is very appreciated.

In the first post, there is a translation resource, and thanks in advance for the help:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] elyl:
I'd like to take the time to create a map for this application, but I don't think it would get the exposure it deserves.

It's a bit chicken-and-egg at the moment - nobody's going to invest the time in making a map for a system not many people use, and not many people will use this application since there are so few maps.

It would be great if you could support Métro maps, or if this application was available to a wider audience than the shrinking WM6 community.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
Sorry, i can't support those maps, because an XDA member had contacted them and they didn't allowed us to do that.

For enlarging the protential users, i've seen with some of my friends, Now

-> an Android version is developping

-> a Windows Phone 7 version is in concept.

When android finished, perhaps a blackberry version will be in sight (they are all java).

So don't worry about WM6, but yes, the map matters. When i finish Special TimeTable, I will start creating them.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] mad_the_cat:
I attached a german translationfile.

I'm not shure if everthing fits 100% perfekt with the context, but it's much better than before.

A function to choose the language would be desirable, for users who often change their rom and language.

:cool:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
Thanks, I will correct them with this file.

Now i use system localization for the language, but let the users to choose the language is a good suggestion.

ADD: The translation file is imported.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
it would be great if this app would be released for both Android and other OSs, at least the catchment area of the maps is larger. On my E51 symbian I used Metro, but for windows mobile it isn't that comfortable to use. That's why I like this app a lot (it's quick, finger friendly, nice UI, etc) so i started on a Rotterdam Metro map :D and your mapcreator app is also really handy/functional.

However, probably you've a long list of features you want to include too, but one that would be really nice is to browse lines in the app (bit like the details option in Metro). Also in the result window, the option to click on a line and it would pup up all the stations, or to see at least through which stations you are travelling.

Anyhow, great work X_Sliver!!

update: now attached, Rotterdam file with metro connections (will be updated soon with other transportmodes)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
Possible improvements

Dear X_Sliver, i post hereby some improvements / bugs of the app. I like this app a lot, and would love to see this grow out to something similar as Metro (but than of course much better ;) ) Hope you don't mind this list, it are just a few things I noticed when operating it.

Possible improvements for CityAdvisor app:

- Clock: invert arrows (down to decrease minutes/hours; up to increase)

- when no station is found, and the user still clicks OK, a NullReferenceException is created

- MapCreator: possibility to add different search/key words for a station, or: when searching in CityAdvisor, also give results for part of the name of a station. Else, for every station consisting out of at least 2 words a station alias should be created

- Possibility to view tourist attraction information

- when no tourist attractions are available, a back/return button should appear (now the user needs to use the hardware back button

I also attached an updated version of the Rotterdam map (now includes all metrolines and tramlines) (Version 0.9.2010.0617)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
You are so fast, will test this evening and add to map database. Thanks!

- Clock: invert arrows (down to decrease minutes/hours; up to increase)

RE: OK, it is reversed compared to HTC Sense, i'll correct it. (but maybe we can make this an option)

- when no station is found, and the user still clicks OK, a NullReferenceException is created

RE: I didn't reproduce this defect on my phone. can you give me the instructions to reproduce it? thanks.

- MapCreator: possibility to add different search/key words for a station, or:when searching in CityAdvisor, also give results for part of the name of a station. Else, for every station consisting out of at least 2 words a station alias should be created

RE: The match of a station is done first by its Name, then by its Key. make the key different than the name is a good practice.

Due to performance impacts, if we made more search keywords for a station, or match a key anywhere to a string. That will affect too much on the performance.

for a map with less than 200 stations, that is ok. but if user types a letter and wait 2 or more seconds for listing the station, he will not be happy.

For instance, we have to use "Station Alias" if more search keys are needed, but i will do something to find a better way.

- Possibility to view tourist attraction information

RE: Good suggestions, actualliy i have only url links and didn't apply them to CityAdvisor. if we can view a tourist site, i have to add more informations.

- when no tourist attractions are available, a back/return button should appear (now the user needs to use the hardware back button

RE: You are using WM6.5.1, so the OK button is at the bottom and i disabled the bottom bar. same problem to favourite stations, will be corrected

Thanks to your comments.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
hehe, yeah having exams is always the right moment to do these kind of activities ;) but wait with uploading it. i think there is some bug in the xml (my TA starts crashing after selecting the map, and trying to select a different map). will try to fix this asap.

ok, can you try to leave the origin/destination field empty, but press the enter-key on the software-keyboard?

ok, just tried the searchKey advise you gave and that works very nicely!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
That is not a bug in xml, but a bug in CA. See post #457. you can suppress all carriage return chars from the description for now. This bug is fixed on my side. when the new release is ok, we can reactive multi-lines.

Confirmed, Thank you! will fix it rapidly :p

ok, just tried the searchKey advise you gave and that works very nicely!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
Rotterdam

Ok, hereby version 1.01 of Rotterdam. I entered also all first and last tramtimes, etc.. Maybe later i expand it with busses, but first The Hague ;) So imo it can be uploaded. (btw, what if i amend the file, should i upload it again here?)

2nd, the rush hours, what times do you use? In Rotterdam a lower frequency is before 7am and after 7pm, but during the rest of the day, it's "rush hour".

Another comment with regard to your idea about the upload feature in MC: Although it would be handy, how can you (we) guarentee the quality of the files when everybody can just upload city? Did you think about maybe some control / moderator user base, which will check the files for "completeness"?

And one last (personal) request: an option to browse through the different lines (preferably a feature in the home screen or 1 of the tabs, as well as in the results window).. that would be sweet :p

Good luck!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
Just update here for now, and i will update it on the server.

I just made them yesterday. the next release of MC will take in place Two PEEKs for each line while using TimeRange (one for morning, one for evening), you can set them as you will.

I didn't released it because there are many new features in both MC and CA, i need more time to test.

That is what i'm thinking.

1. The maps will be only uploaded via MapCreator, and MC will assure the completeness of the file.

2. Only author can upload file: on the website, there will be a correspondence between Map and Author. if anybody else want to upload a map created by you, that is impossible.

That is previewed, both Line info and Station info can be added.

ADD: I uploaded and published the Rotterdam map made by odyon

Download link: http://cityadvisor.net/c_download/Product.aspx?pid=24

ADD2: I published also a Brussels / Belgium map in French, I'm gonna to add Dutch language in this map too.

Download link: http://cityadvisor.net/c_download/Product.aspx?pid=25

You can visit cityadvisor.net to download them
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
bug, question and request

Ok, have been working on a The Hague map now, and i came across another bug. I've attached a simple map (2 lines, few stations, different operating times) and when planning a route from station "5" to station "AA" at an early time (say 3am), CA crashes. I think this has something to do with different lines having different starting times (for instance, one is operating 24h, and the other starts at 6am).

When i tried some early-time trips in my The Hague map, it sometimes just gives a "no connection available" popup message which is expected, but when i try the return-trip, CA crashes.

Another question, how does CA handle the following situation: 2 lines leave from the same station at the same moment (for instance because 1 schedule is set to every 10 minutes starting at 5am, and the other every 15 starting at 6am, and it's now 10.30am). However, they cannot leave at the exact same moment, and so the chances are rather high of catching one of those. However, does CA take this into account or will it generate a different advise when it is a few minutes later. Ok, don't know if i made my point clear, but will CA base its advise purely on the schedules that you set and the time it is "now", or also based on frequency / chances of catching a connection?

and another request for the mapcreator. It's low priority, but it would be nice, if you can see all the lines including all details (and to be able to edit those) in one window. Now you have to click on every one of them to check parameters, but a "excel-like" overview would be handy I guess (not as the main window, just a button on the bottom with "Lines overview" or something :D

Btw, can you maybe attach a layered version (photoshop?) of the cityadvisor_blank.png. That way, "we" can create map thumbnails similar to the ones you made?

ok, good luck!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I knew that bug and it should be fixed. I didn't get this error from 5->AA or AA->5 at 0:00, 1:00 or 3:00.

Can you check if your engine.dll was created or modified on 06/01/2010 at 19:40?

CA will reserve all of them in a delay of 8 minutes, if all lines depart within 8 minutes will be added in the path. so in your case both of them will be calculated and finally CA will choose a shorter path.

For a line, the parameters are complex, especially for Time Tables. if i made this, only common parameters can be changed in that "Excel-Like" window.

Of course, i attached them.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] hendrixus:
I am running this as a test on a HTC Diamond(WM6.1, VGA). But some text isn't visible.See my screen shot.So I think it does need some work. Anyway, thanks for the app.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
yep, i noticed this also, for instance with long names for stations in the results view, such as: "zoetermeer centrum-west". It doesn't fit when also the icon is shown. Maybe the word "ongeveer" can be replaced with the ± symbol? And with regard to the long station names, maybe two textlines reserved for this? Btw, the Rotterdam map will be updated soon (it's still an early version with some possible future improvements). however, it's a start;) and if every user would make at least 1 map, the whole database can be expanded quite rapidly :D

Btw, x-sliver, i've checked my version of CA and it's the same as you mentioned (the date/time). Maybe later I can send you my not-yet-finished "the hague map" so you can check whether you also get this error?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I just adjust the font size, now it fits the screen.:p

View attachment 346485

of course, send me the file and instruction, then i can make a check.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
exact times

x_sliver, can I also add times between stops more accurate than full minutes, like for instance 45 seconds (time: 0.75 or 0:45), or is it better to just round them off (with regard to the effect that these small differences have on the overall optimization?)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
Round them off please, normally the bus or the train stops at the station for several seconds. when you arrive at 6:59:45 or 7:00:00 that doesn't make changes, because no operator sets its departure time like 6:59:55.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] odyon:
yep, you're right ;)

btw, I come back to a previous question, with regard to search keys. I'm now also working on another map and there is a station called "São Sebastião". Normally, CA sees a difference between "ã" and "a", so the search key would be "sao sebastiao". Then however I cannot add a "sebastiao" key anymore.

I think it would be a significant improvement for the app, when someone could add multiple (say maximal 2 or 3 search keys), for instance something like "sao sebastiao;sebastiao" or some other seperator character. You already wrote that this can also be done with the alias function, but in my opinion adding a whole lists of aliases for these kind of different ways of spelling/writing a station name, isn't the nicest way.. Else, i have to modify the station name itself, but especially in some countries, different characters are used a lot, and the nicest would be if you can present those names in their original format..

Ok, maybe complaining a bit too much about searchkeys, but it's something that i stumbled upon a couple of times and think it would make the app (read: search feature) even more functional ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] x_sliver:
I just made a test, Now CityAdvisor is Accent Insensitive.

The only thing need to do is to evaluate a good Language-Code in MapCreator.

for instance:

nl for Dutch,

de for German,

fr for French

you can also use specified language-codes, like:

nl-BE -> for Dutch in Belgium,

or zh-hans for Chinese in mainland China.

I think i can delivery both CA and MC at tuesday night, cause special timetable, customizable peek, line viewers and accent insensitive search are all works.

i need to build some picture to draw a line with its stops.