yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[About XDA developers] denco7:
That was one of my major points, there " was " no requirement . because there " was no rom ". You struck preemptively to something that had not happened yet, because it might happen in the future. You squashed his right to promote a private project , as many many people do here, because a few ungrateful people complained that in the future they might have to obtain the rom it SJ's way.

Had he stated that the next rom would be available only by joining his website, would you have shut him down?

My question is, at what point does a chef have the right to take his work private, and how , without any interference from this site.

Believe me, I am not trying to "spin " anything against anyone, I have a great deal of respect for you and all you have done for this forum ( we miss your input in the Kaiser world ) I just thought that it was a heavy handed response ( and yes censorship ) to something that hadn't even happened yet.

A simple PM could have alieviated the situation for the time being, while the Mods figured it out. Not a head on erase everything, assault SJ's right to promote his work and wares.

And I would say again, that the integrity of this site depends on people to share openly and honestly without fear of unjustified reprisal, SJ has said that he will not for the time being, take any new roms private. I think that is enough for all his links to be restored. If not, what other definitions of censorship do you have ?

I brought this over from the Hyperdragon thread to here, to discuss.

I just want everyone to know, this has more to do with the big picture than it has to do with sakajati. This has nothing to do with NATF or with jimmy and I am probably not the only one who has a problem with the way it was handled. I am just the one with the big mouth:D. And we all know that sakajati would never say a word or give anything less than his full cooperation.

I just want someone to tell me not just for SJ, but for the good of the whole community and as a precedent for future complaints of this type, why SJ couldn't have been shot a PM asking what his intentions were, and if they approached a grey area, he could have been informed and he would have cooperated. End of any problem. It is not like there was any urgency, as I said before, there was no requirement because there was no rom.

And if people did over react then it is good for everyone to get a dialogue started. That is what this site is all about.

Thanks guys for doing a great job !
[About XDA developers] JimmyMcGee:
My Friend read this...

Read the Green Parts. The general consensus is IF sakajati REQUIRES people to use the Toolbar to use his ROMs, he is no longer contributing to the XDA ROM Community.

sakajati is ALLOWED and not censored to require this if he so chooses. However the ramifications are, that he would no longer be allowed to advertise his ROM here.

The "common law" rule is, if you post a ROM on XDA, you are contributing to the community and the ROM shall have NO STRINGS attached. No requirement to Give Money, no requirement to have a toolbar installed.

If sakajati wishes to offer his toolbar as a way to stay in "constant contact" with him, then I don't see a problem. But the release of the ROM shall not be contingent on the toolbar. At least not while it is advertised on XDA.

And P.S. lets not get into calling ROMs Intellectual Property, because honestly, ROMs are Microsoft's I.P. All chefs do is tweak, improve and skin ROMs. And I don't mean to take anything away from chefs awesome work by saying that. So saying sakajati's ROM is his I.P. is like saying you taking you Toyota Celica, painting it Pink with Green Racing strips and boring out the engine, makes that car your I.P.

But as NATF has said, no final desicsion has been made, I only type this reply to give full disclosure, to show that our intentions are not to censor.

Thanks. :)
[About XDA developers] denco7:
Since this has all been put to rest, I just have some final thoughts and then I'll shut up.

It was never about XDA's/Mod's disapproval as to what he intended to do, you all are entrusted with the success and smooth running of this site and have every right to administer this site as you see fit, (as I have every right to question why ) And it was not really about SJ, he was just the vehicle of my overall concern about creative people leaving this site because of real and perceived ( do it our way or get out ) disagreements.

I guess I just wanted to know, if people decided to take their projects private,such as a new rom, would they still be welcome here to support older projects or develop new projects here ( that fell within XDA guildlines ) and while supporting their projects, could they in a subtle non-commercial way, direct people to private/financially enhancing projects.

And of course I still object to the way it was handled, that sort of, " we are taking it all down until we decide " way of doing it, is something that happens to noobs that don't know any better. Not to someone who has done as much for, and contributed so much to the Kaiser community as sakajati has done.

The Mods always preach, " if you have a dispute with another member, take it to PM, " Unfortunately this great advise wasn't followed, and I am glad that SJ was not offended by this and did not pack up his toys and go home ( like unfortunately other members have done )

And I am sorry if " I " have offended anyone, that was not my intention. I love this site and think that discussions like this benefit the longevity of this site. I am glad everything has been resolved and I will shut up and go away now:D

Oh yeah ........one more thing:)

Tell that to Chip Foose and Orange County Choppers. They take other people's parts, design and tweak and create masterpieces worth hundreds of thousands of dollars. Your telling me a Foose Design isn't intellectual property?:D
[About XDA developers] scotchua:
This is not an issue of personal disagreement, it is a violation of our rules of operation. When we see questionable activity, we will always take the action of stopping the activity, contacting the OP, and trying to resolve it quickly. I am sure SJ understands this as well as anyone here that it was nothing personal, and simply just S.O.P. around here. It's a lot easier to take down a problem for a couple days, and then let it back up with an apology than it is to remove it after we've debated.

As for you question about prior contributions, of course anyone is welcome to support anything that they have and continue to offer that is in compliance with our rules here. Nothing even stops a user from selling some stuff, and giving others away. It's just that they can't post the stuff they're selling here, just the donation ware.
[About XDA developers] parleyp:
IP

I have just a couple points. The Phoenix team has a separate website we use for tracking bugs and other discussion so we don't clutter up this site. However our intent is to foster creativity, open communication and cooperation among users and chefs which we hope results in better products for the users of this site. So don't always think a private website like ours or SJ's is a bad thing.

However, I would like to point out what was only stated one time in the thread--the guts of these roms are the ip of microsoft and htc. Now as chef's we find other bits and pieces that are added--and these are the ip of their creators. Sometimes we contribute our own ip--like skins, icons and very specific know how to get the roms to help our devices perform at peak efficiency. But anyone who would try to take a rom private and sell it, would have some major issues without first getting license to do so from MS, HTC and those other people who own the other intellectual property.

There are many examples of apps that were developed by talented people here that have gone commercial. Those apps are still discussed and linked to here because they all have trial periods. There is nothing wrong with commercializing your own ip..The wrong comes when you commercialize ip that you don't own or haven't properly license.

So let's continue a great tradition of creativity. I believe that this site is the primary reason that HTC and microsoft keep trying to make a better operating system. This site is where many ideas come from. This site gives the OS life beyond the normal experience.
[About XDA developers] JimmyMcGee:
Pfft Those Posers :p
[About XDA developers] Joezhang:
some confused thinking here -

A cook can ask for a contribution for his time but there is no way he can claim that a cooked rom is his IPR because it's belongs to someone else start with - no licence to modify has been granted!

Now creating programs from scratch, that's a different issue and how they want to deal with payment is upto them.
[About XDA developers] -PiLoT-:
my theory is whoever created the forum and then got ppl to volounter to mantain it

ITS THERE FORUM

Its really up to them what they want to do
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
Description

MiniFlow is a utility to minimize windows application temporary, and serve as a minimized-application station, and manage them in certain way so they can be relaunch at the future. This can be very helpful when working between a lot of diffrent applications at one time.

Mechanism

MiniFlow is a very simple application for processing simple tasks, thus makes it very easy to use.

When working on the several applications, launch MiniFlow to minimize the most current application and/or to switch to another application. Then after MiniFlow is launched, the most current application is minimized by MiniFlow. Then user can select from the MiniFlow another application that previously had been minimized to start working on it.

After MiniFlow is launched, it stays in the background wait to be relaunched again.

Installation

MiniFlow only comes with a single executable file, with the name 'MiniFlow.exe' and you can find it in the distribution package. So the installation is simply copy it to your device at desired location. It recomended to create shortcut or quick launch for the application, and it would be the best if using hardware button for shortcut.

Limitation

Basicaly, MiniFlow allows all well designed application to be processed, however in the implementation, there might be some application that just can not be handled by MiniFlow because of some restrictions. MiniFlow does not handle sub-window of an application, such a dialog boxes or popups, only main window is recognized.

MiniFlow currently does not have awarenes and does not manage minimized-application's processes and/or threads, so if they have been shutdown beyond MiniFlow, MiniFlow does not immediately realize it.

Support

As always, you are welcome to support the development.

Thanks all..

------------

history:

version 1.0 (1st build)

- this build is not functioning properly. For some unknown reason it just does not work.

version 1.0 (2nd build)

- this file is the revision of the 1st build, and replaces it.

- in this file all unecessary resources was removed to avoid any potential problem and the best part is: it have been tested!

version 1.0 (3rd build)

- hides SIP button from the interface.

DOWNLOAD NOW!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nir36:
bah. testing.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] abdelamine:
wow it look lida alt-tab option in3D (Vista 3D)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] m.schmidler:
not working... I tried to launch it via file explorer.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] starbase64:
Hi,

does not work on Touch HD. VGA support?

wfg

starbase64
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jakob2010:
It is not working on my samsung omnia... :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] EAlvarado:
MiniFlow on Athena (X7501)

Hello.

It does not working on the Athena.

I have WM 6.1; Michy R6.1 ROM, working in 96 DPI.

Regards.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] grafikastudios:
not working on my raphael... does this work on a phone dude?...

No i'm joking, try to fix it, it looks good on the screens...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sabestian:
Doesn't work on my Omnia! Nothing happens at all. ..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] nurkamol:
Beta Testing!!!

Thanks i will try with tests :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
well this is not so good.. :(

I try to figure it out why it is not working, so now back to drawing board..

btw for the development I use standard evc and I have try it on my device and it runs fine. Perhaps I missing something here I dont know. Ill be back as soon as I got the solution.

thanks.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Kraize:
It seems you're not running Windows Mobile...which could be your problem. :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
Nice, now it WORKS! :)

Yesterday was a long day. I tried to figure out how to make this work. After I did careful checking on the program code for potential problem, I even reinstalled my evc, and just to make sure I also downloaded WM6 SDK, then rebuilding the program, finaly I have made it!

You can download the file in the first post that I already edited. Thanks to these people for the notice: m.schmidler, starbase64, jakob2010, EAlvarado, sabestian, grafikastudios.	I appreciate that.

Here you go for some screen snapshots:
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] emay:
WOW! I like this!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] s.l.i:
at first: very nice app! Congrats!

But I am i bit surprised about this:

As far as I know it is not possible to use EVC with WM5/WM6 SDK...?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JeckyllHavok:
hey man, nice work with this app, thats looking awesome and freakin fast on my kaiser. I just got one question: it seems that the app won't refresh, after several starts and open apps, it just shows me the open app from the first launch..

But go on with development, this is really sweet:D

i love it!!!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sheitan:
same problem here,

it works at the first place , after opening new apps it wont show them in the flow

otherwise its working very fkn fast !
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
First of all, I just want to say big thanks..

And about the problems, I recommended you read carefuly my first post for some info about this program. At the moment I can not say anything much about it. You must specify how you end up with that situation. Give me some details.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JeckyllHavok:
Ok some details:

I start your app from file explorer

--> then it shows me on the first picture the files explorer, but all the other pictures were black.

If i then start several apps and open minimalflow again, there is just the file explorer, and no picture of one of the other open apps. They arent minimized.

Hope i could help
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Star-Lite:
it runs extremely fast on my Hermes, very nice job.

On the refreshing problem: Your app runs asa process, not an application. So if you close it, it keep running (invisible) in the background. The program only loads the opened programs on startup, not on 'activation' or via a timer, so it doesn't refresh untill you softreset or kill it.

2 solutions:

* Update the current running programs on 'activation' of the program or use a timer (not preferred cus of the overhead this will cause).

* Make miniflow *really* exit when a program is tapped. (so no process is left behind in memory). This might be easier to program if you make it run as a program instead of an application.

Otherwise: I love this app. It looks very cool and runs lightning fast :D

I just had an idea for a (cool) fature. Replace the background by the users current open screen, so miniflow will apear to be floating on top of it. I'm not sure if this will work well performancewise tho. It might even look ugly, but I think it will look pretty cool.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Marshall07:
Thanks for this software, craid_m!

It's a nice to have tool since WM doesn't have a good way to manage "minimized" windows.

Keep it up!

Marshall
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
Star-Lite says:

Great! some sugestion.

I really appreciate your opinion and for now I keep that in mind.. I have think about my own solution too for this problem. Here it is:

-> try to create hardware button shortcut for MiniFlow. I like to know what happens.

Also I like to hear some more from everyone who have other dificulty, or maybe just to say that it does the work perfectly! Gathering the variables basicaly..

just little add:

I dont read this at the first time :p and yeaaahh I immediately imagined that and it sure gonna be AWSOME DUDE!
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Star-Lite:
There are several programs that can bind executables etc to hardware buttons, like "AE button plus" or "HButton". You could leave it up to users to use those (since a lot of people already use them), or get some inspiration and tips from those programs.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jiles:
Good idea and ultra-fast realization! Don't stop to develop it please:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] grafikastudios:
U've got it!!!!

Great job man, thank for the share...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
Just little bit off topic..

MiniFlow is 3 days old now, but what do you know it starting to get more known. Check what I found while I dig around:

http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/System-Utilities/Enhancements/MiniFlow-73972.shtml

http://handheld.softpedia.com/progDownload/MiniFlow-Download-73972.html

http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=183444

http://www.pdroms.de/news/15191/
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] jiles:
good ideas spread fast:)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Marshall07:
This would be very nice!

Also it should not decrease the performances. Unless you want the "today background" to be updated at a reguar interval. But it's not necessary to update it IMHO since once you "take the screenshot" of the background (there are no layered windows in WM :() only the clock changes :p

Marshall
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] ryomahino:
Hi craid_m, great app, in my artemis works well, some opinions here:

- I associate with hbutton, works fine.

- With this method I only can save two "screenshots", when I try to select the third one and press the button for miniflow, the screen is saved in the second one and the third is empty.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Kraize:
Dude! Awesome! It works! How about now you add g-sensor support! :) That would be awesome! and if it's possible to make the background skinnable/changeable. I would so take this over TaskFacade anyday if it had g-sensor support! :D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rulkpda:
great app, thx for share man..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] Melkor:
Same probelm on a Kaiser. But very good idea! I hope you can fix it ;)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
I called this 'pic-trick', try this out:

- open your very handsome/pretty picture in picture viewer in full screen mode

- MiniFlow it!

COOL!

but even cooler if you can open multiple picture at once.. :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] JeckyllHavok:
If you just want to have a picture viewer with flow try pocket cm image viewer, it's free
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sweetpiggy:
great application man!:D

i try it ....:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
The Most Nicest EVERRR :p :p :p

MiniFlow v1.0 (3rd build)

oh guys, I read through you!

I just got back from out of town, and I'm thinking what next?

I sure someone there thinks like I do: SIP sucks!

So there you go..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] sweetpiggy:
...:(....

same problem :(

ops... :D

i will try new version.... ;) feedback it's for the second release:P
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] THE GRIZZ:
when can we expect a new version

how come the title of the thread is not changed. many probably still think that this is still on the first buggy version be causeof the date

anyway, on a wide vga xperia the animation is quite slow.funny thing it runs much smoother on the wizard. mabe the is still a lot of room for opttimization on w/vga
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] lufc:
looks great but i am having problems getting it to work
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
New version? I can workin on it in just 2 hours.. but there is something came out and it takes my time and priority.

Im not changing the date, but I just add [UPD][.. at the beginning of my title (which mean UPDATED maybe?)

This is the simple logic: wider screen, more pixel, longer time.. But there ARE actualy some optimations.. I havent try to create render engine using Direct Hardware Access. :)

thanks mate..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] THE GRIZZ:
well on the xperia its not even usable because of the very poor performance. maybe disabling some effects to improve the framerate.

if you create something smooth that would use 3d acceleration that would be really really great. and if it runs well, im sure other devs will program things this way
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] THE GRIZZ:
is this dead??
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] del4:
I hope not, as it has some great potential...
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
what kind of 'potential' you had in mind? :)
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] del4:
Meaning, from the screenshots, it looks nice and those who've reported it working on their devices like it. Unfortunately, I couldn't get it to work on my Touch Pro, so it's back to Alt-Tab for me... :(
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
thats a bummer.. :(

Previously I'm hoping that you have some experience using MiniFlow, then you can came up with something, some idea or else..

But if you want to, you can help me figure it out how to make it in to your device.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rayraven:
I started using this app, and it works great as a task switcher!!

The only issue I face is that MiniFlow doesnt seem to update the list of tasks, but only shows tasks that were running when MiniFlow was launched.

Could you please fix this :)

Also, how about an alternative layout ala Palm Pre?
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
thanks rayraven..

but first, you must trully understand the mechanism of MiniFlow. You can read all about it in the first post.

And the graphic is very nice! But if i think of it, that style will look dull on WM windowing system. And you hardly see 'next' and 'previous' order to predict your destination. The great things are the animation is easy to program, and it will run fast..

In MiniFlow I rather use more dynamic layout and animation, but still considering the balance between quality and speed performance..
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] rayraven:
Hi,

I'm not sure if you understand the issue I face here.

First, let's say I have only 'File Manager' open.

I launch Miniflow and switch to File Manager from it. Miniflow goes into the background.

Next, say I launch IE and Word. If I launch Miniflow again, it still shows that only 'File Manager' is running.
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] craid_m:
and so the invasion goes on..:D
[Windows Mobile Apps and Games] atomic2mod:
Keep on it, craid! You made our mouth water with anticipation and we're very much looking forward to your development.

It reminds me of the carousel on SpbMobileShell3 - a part I really liked the look of.
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] The-Gum94:
http://www.dewantoro.net/2008/11/01/cool-coca-cola-pocket-pc-theme/

:D:D
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV Themes and Apps] The-Gum94:
Use TF3D for instal :)
[Touch HD Accessories] mchangsp:
I want to pair the Sony Ericsson headset HBH-DS980 with a Touch HD.

In Bluetooth settings, after 'add new device', the headset is recognized (name HBH-DS980).

I select the name and click Next.

On the headset I can see the pair icon and then the headset goes into ready mode, but on the Touch HD it takes a very long time, before I can enter the Passcode 0000.

In the next screen on the HD no services are listed!

So the Touch HD recgnizes the headset, but no useable services.

Can someone help me?

HD details in Settings/about:

CE OS 5.2.20757 (Build 20757.1.4.0)

ROM 1.14.403.1 (22273) WWE

ROM date 10/24/08

radio 1.09.25.14

protocol 52.49a.25.26U
[Touch HD Accessories] gentillo:
My touch hd works preaty well with ds980. Maybe try diferent rom?