yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I guess there has been an updated version of 4.2 since I last checked.

I'll doublecheck it and update it.

As far as the help icon, I kinda like it, which is why I never bothered fixing it. lol It looks rather artistic.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Lol, good excuse. haha, jk, it does look nice actually, that's what I first thought when I saw it too!

So do you think you could pull off my "one LAST thing, lol. Do you think you'd like to make it so that when you turn ON WiFi, it automatically turns OFF your Data connection? That'd be nice for saving some power."

That was always an idea of mine that I thought, if I ever made a phone OS, I would make it do that. It sounds relatively simple to program, but idk what software coding it would require, so you tell me if it's possible.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Sorry, I'm not a software programmer, so I won't be able to do that myself. My G1 does this automatically, so I know how useful it would be. I wonder if there is any software that does this automatically.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Yea, I thought it would require some programming. That's fine. Lol, this is what I dreamed up for a new phone OS, HERE. It would be pretty cool if I could find someone who knew programming and could make it happen, but I guess everyone's busy.

Oh and I'm gonna search for some software that automatically turns off Data when WiFi's on.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
OMG This looks AMAZING, Look at THIS. You can set up profiles based off of your cell location so that it will adjust things like WiFi, etc. It has soo much. I'm gonna try it out, but you should too, ivan. Possibly put it in the ROM if you want. The only thing is that I can't get it to download :( maybe you can get it to dl. It should do what we talked about, turning the data connection off when you turn WiFi on. I'm gonna try and download it again, maybe it'll work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I've used it before. It doesn't meet the "look" requirements and it is useless for most users, so I chose not to included. Besides, at the beta point, I don't want to add any more programs. Adding anything more may add new bugs.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Yea, I just installed it, and, yea, do NOT include it. lol. It's buggy as hell. And slow. And it takes up a lot of space. And I couldn't figure it out, I'd need a manual to use it, but if I got it working correctly, then it would be nice. lol, it's slowly uninstalling now, and takes forever for some reason. I'm disappointed. But no, what would be cool is if we had GPS, and then it integrates with your calendar so that your appointment reminders would remind you to leave based off of the estimated time it would take to drive to the location. Then you don't have to worry about how long it'll take and when to leave, it would tell you exactly when you have to leave. That would be cool. But, I'm just talking to a wall here, you or me don't have a clue how to do that, so, lol, whatever.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Is that the black icon at top-right of screen? hah hah, i've always liked it too, even though I don't know what it does. I thought it was volume control.

Looking forward to Wed and your full release. Can't wait to use it. I have not tried any of the betas i don't think, last i am using is an alpha.

Ivan, just going back to square one for a moment: For your application launcher, do you user WKtask's launcher, or quickmenu, or some other?

Thanks for all your amazingly dedicated work. I think you are the most patient man alive on all of XDA :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] xecutionkrk:
Hey Ivan, is the Keyboard Slider cooked it out of that ROM beta2? If so how can I add a sound?

Thanks.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I remove the keyboard slider sounds on ALL my ROMs. If you want to reenable it, you can use this.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] xecutionkrk:
Great thanks for the sliding program , works great now :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
So far the changelog for Beta3 is:

Newer version of IE that was in the Beta 1 (aka 21043)

Hopefully Fixed "pixel" issue

Fixed the icon backgrounds

Fixed HTC calculator decimal bug

Switched to "older" more stable version of activesync from 21018

Fixed RandomAccess: I don't think Random Access was running but no one noticed it. (Since they didn't know I had added it. lol) (It's the alphabet that sits next to the contacts to make it easier to search through contacts.

Fixed MMS limit that I had changed. The RGU was named incorrectly.

Fixed start menu certification. The RGU was named incorrectly. I might removed this in the final since I'm not sure if it even DOES anything. lol

Fixed Enhanced sensitivity hack. The same... the RGU was not named properly. lol

Updated to newest version of OperaMini

Updated to newest version of jbed

Changed the startup animation to a shorter more professional looking HTC animation.

I'm testing it now, then I'll be uploading it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
due to my busy schedule I havent been paying attention to my phone much lately.

does anyone else get this? at the very top, btoh in landscape and normal, there is a small bar that stretches from side to side with just empty white pixels. sometime when i open a program that covers the screen it will cover that bar but the bar will remeber what covered it when i close the program. basicly its there when you can see the top bar with the start menu and icons. what program can i use to screen shot the phone?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Do you mean this?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Hi Ivan, can you tell me do you use Wktask as your app launcher? If so, how well does it work for you.

Iam trying to figure out what I will "add on" to your Just Stable... iFonz, my preference, underwent rewriting 2 months ago, and its new version is a few days away. So it's prob not smart for me to go in some new dorection (like m2d) just for that interval.

That's why i am askimng if you find wktask to get the job done, or if you actually do NOT use it. thank you
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I use wktask as a task manager, but not as a launcher. For a launcher, I still use QuickMenu itself. I've always had a thing against launchers, even having shortcuts in my computer's desktop seems to annoy me. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I'm waiting for an answer on the latest bug report. If it turns out that's what he's seeing, it's already been fixed. If it isn't that, then I gotta fix that before Beta 3 is released. Or I might just upload beta 3 and fix it in the final on wednesday.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
I use Winterface myself, which is kind of similar to iFonz. I like it a lot. It's really easy to set up and use. Pretty fast too.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
Those all sound great, except for that terrible new version of PIE. The extra features are useless, if I wanted a desktop look I'd use a desktop computer, and it's like browsing through mud. But who am I to stand in the way of progress? Newer is better, right?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It was added because it was requested back. It is apparently much faster than the standard PocketIE.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
thanks lennyjaxn. i might go for a purchased app depending on how well the new iFonz will be. Take a look, btw, pretty interesting the way apps are assigned to icons in one set-up:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I69hwovA0nk

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thanks ivan re wktask as launcher. I use it as my Task manager.. i am just looking for a 2 week solution, and truth is, more times than not i just use quick menu and some shortcut folders to groups of apps.

When you bought your wife a ring for marriage, did you go out to a diamond mine and pick and chip it on the spot, then fine polish at home, or did youuse a shortcut and go to a jeweler? just askin :)
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
Sorry for the wait. Yes that white/grey bar but mine is missing a piece. Starting from the right, the gap goes to the left of the sound icon.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
Heres a capture.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I think you're just talking about the bar that separates wktask from the regular task bar. You can move that or adjust it in the wktask settings.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] marty123:
DestructDez1,

If you are talking about the line going most of the way across the top of your screen, then that is a battery meter, it goes all the way across when 100% and shortens as you lose charge.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's more like I drove to another city to get it from another jeweler. :p But I really like the people in that other jeweler. :p

Gonna go upload Beta 3 now. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Lol, are you talking about the battery meter?? At the very top of the screen, there's that little thin bar, even above the start menu, that is actually a battery meter. So that sounds like what you're talking about. I had my phone plugged in when ivan posted my screenshot, so my battery was full. Your battery looked like it was about 93% full. If that's the issue, then that's not an issue, lol. Or I might have misunderstood you.

HERE's a nice free screenshot program, called MyMobileR, it runs through your PC but works great. I love it.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
And if you want a really good screencap program (and much much more), you can download MyMobiler.

Then use mspaint to circle the issue with the red paint.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
Lol i feel bad now. Never knew there was a battery meter there. Thanks for all the help and sc programs.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Lol, we posted at the same time, and recommended the same screenshot program.

I'll be flashing Beta 3 soon! And I'll update the website!

Oh, are you releasing the LZX Compressed version yet? (I don't want it anyways) And what about the Clean version? Or is that only when you make the Final? Just asking so I get the website updated correctly.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The LZX versions and clean versions will come after the final. ^_^
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Just as I thought.

K, tell us once it's uploaded! I've got my website changes just about ready to apply the second you upload it! lol.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] mailliw_17:
downloading beta 3...

Thanks ivan...
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It's still uploading. Please do not download until I say it's finished or you'll end up with a corrupted download.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
The Herald version is up and the Wing version is uploading.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
I saw that. I was like, "What? Why's the Herald version up there before our "superior" Wing version??" lol. Then I realized, who really cares. Well, I'm waiting! Notify us once it's uploaded!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Because I dragged and dropped and it read it alphabetically. lol But I agree. rofl

Anyhow:

http://justkitchen.info/2009/05/12/juststable-beta-3/

Beta3 is out!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
I couldn't disagree more. Pages take a lot longer to load, look bad in mobile or desktop view, and the operation of the browser itself is bogged down by the very options that separate it from regular PIE. I can understand for a faster phone, or on a faster network (not sure if overclocking makes a difference--don't need to with your ROMs!), but on this one it's sluggish. Could just be my personal experience, though. The only other person in 115 pages of this thread who mentioned PIE had the opposite experience, so I guess the score is tied 1-1!

Personally I do a lot of surfing with my phone and Opera Mini rules over ANY version of PIE. Unfortunately, though, there are a few things that only work with Internet Explorer.

I'm not about to start a war over a stupid browser version though. We don't need another MMS battle slowing the release of this ROM down. I'm cool with using whatever the latest version you released is that has the old browser.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Eh, I would say that pages load faster in the newer PIE, lol. But the layout of websites is definitely better in the newer PIE, because it shows up as a desktop view but when you zoom in on the text, it makes the text readable without having to scroll. And you can set it to be in mobile view.

Yea, I won't start arguing either though, but I personally loved the newer PIE.

LOL. Ok, the website is updated and current now. I even have a little version archive now.

And I'm downloading the new ROM while I take my doggie for a run. I'll tell you if I love it even more than Beta 2 once I get it flashed!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] v5HMeca:
Hey Ivan, you had said earlier that you were working on a full-featured theme/skin/visual style/whatever for the final release (but I think you were running into issues with Phone Canvas or whatever it's called). Do you still intend to do that?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I sneaked in the theming little by little on each alpha release. It's as themed as it's gonna get. The themer fell through, I ended up theming phone canvas as best I could.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
It's weird that we both had such opposite experiences. Every page I tried to load in the newer PIE took at least a full second longer to load (at least it felt like that). I hated the zooming, because I guess I use only mobile versions of sites anyway, and setting a desktop site to mobile view not only distorts it and makes it look ugly, but makes it take longer to load, whereas the older version of PIE went to the WAP version by default, which was perfect for me. To me, it just felt like PIE was trying to be like Opera Mobile, but got it wrong because the pages took so long to load. I wonder why stuff loaded so much faster for you than for me. Oh well. Now we can each have versions of Ivan's awesome ROM to please us both!

I could never get the font sizes to cooperate with the newer version of PIE either. on mobile MLB, for instance, I would set the font size on one page, and then click on a link, and have to change it again for the next page. Weird.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] bishoprnpb:
seriously, all this talk about pie...and now i want pie.j/k thought i would lightin things up.hate to sound like a complete jackass what are you referring to when you are talking about "PIE".
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Ahh, you missed the "Pixel" problem by a few millimeters again:

Soo close. Now it shows up red at the top center of the taskbar there. It's still only when I have IE open, probably cuz of the length of the name. And it looks like the frozen pixel thing extends left past the red pixel a few more pixels, cuz there's a barely visible greyish vertical bar. You should notice it on the screenshot or on your phone. Hopefully you can get it cleaned up for the final, lol. All of those icon backgrounds are fine now though!
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
We have a dispute about which version of pumpkin pie is the best...no seriously, ok: PIE = Pocket Internet Explorer, like Internet Explorer on your computer, but for your phone.

There's a newer version of it included in the JustStable Beta 3, and an older version included in the JustStable Beta 2. I think the newer Beta 3 version's better, and he thinks the older Beta 2 version's better. I guess it does come down to personal oppinion, but I'd say that the newer Beta 3 version strongly wins, lol.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] bishoprnpb:
thanks for the reply now i no a new term..cool
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Not sure if you noticed that I have reported the "Pixel" problem again.

But, I have another question. Have you noticed that double tapping is sometimes unresponsive? I think it's due to the tacticle feedback (vibrate on touch) thing. You have to slow down your speed between the taps when double tapping for it to regester correctly. It seems like it's improved in Beta 3, but it doesn't seem like normal yet. So idk if you've noticed that, or if you could even fix it since it's related to that other program you built in. I think I could just disable the tacticle feedback if I wanted, and that would solve it. So, look into the issue if you'd like.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
It sounds like it is an issue with the tactile feedback... The only way to fix it would be to make the feedback shorter (and less noticeable.) But it can be done. I saw the pixel issue, I'll try to fix it again. This time, I'll test it with PIE. The issue is trying to make it work without covering up the notification icons.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Eh, you don't have to do that, unless making the tactile feedback shorter would actually "feel" better when using it. If it's already at a perfect setting in terms of how it "feels", then leave it there. I can always personally adjust the settings, so it's fine.

Yea I understand how you have to fix that. It's just guess work, isn't it. lol. I'm finding everything wrong with your ROM, down to the last pixel, haha.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] quicksite:
Me too, I want blackberry pie, if it's not too much trouble.

But as for browsers, it means POCKET Internet Explorer... but who the hell would know that? :) It's like Apple calling Safari on its iphone as "Safari for iPhone" vs Safari...

yet enough reason to thank microsoft for its engineer management culture vs product design marketing culture at that place in Cupertino.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Actually, I'm getting kind of tired of it being so.... tactile. lol

I THINK I fixed it, now.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
JustAmazing is what it should be called.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Um, when they call the iPhone browser "Safari", it suggests that it is actually Safari from the computer version. Thing is that it's not! It's a lot worse, so it makes sense to put in the name distinguishment as Microsoft did. Then people won't say, "Hey, this isn't Internet Explorer! There's no RSS feeds!". Since they call it Pocket Internet Explorer, then it's more clear that it's a different version, and is actually a more accurate manner of naming things.

But sorry for arguing, there's really no need, let's just leave the debate at Apple named their browser for simplicity, Microsoft named their browser for accuracy. Simplicity's better for the basic user, accuracy's better for us power users. [/argument]
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Idk, I like the tactile now. When I turned it off, I felt confused. lol. It's nice because you know that you touched the screen, but it does drain battery some. I can live without it so I guess it's your choice.

The only time I have to double click is in the Palringo IM program, cuz that's how you start a chat, so that's no biggie, I can handle the slower double tap there.

Anyone else here like or dislike tactile feedback???
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
I don't plan to disable it, just bring the vibration down to a smaller amount of time. :p
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
I always turn it off.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Dude this is awesome, my website keeps track of so much site usage data. It even tells me what % of people used what browser! And guess what, 55.11% used Mozilla! Also, an equal amount visited using Windows 7 as Windows Vista, 29% from them both! The Mac's were at a mere 1.59% lol.

Don't worry, the statistics aren't creepy or anything. They're totally annonymous. Anyways, I bet those bigger sites like facebook know and keep track of WAY more. My site probably barely skims the surface of usage info.

But ivanmmj, 303 people viewed your WinMo 6.5 ROM. That page on my site had the most views, so it seems like people want JustcHome (JustHome)! 2nd on views was your author page, and 3rd was your JustStable page. So far, you've been the center of attention!

Oh, and 10.27% of ppl that visited have monitor resolutions of 1680x1050, lol.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
lol. all sites are like that. Its used so you can provide better content based on specific statistics like what pages are viewed the most and what products people like ect.. Wait about 1 year and you will see solid stats.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] LordPhong:
Beta3 is by far the better of the three but I'd have to admit that I was using the LZX version of beta1.

1. Sync is finally working for me.

2. VERY fast

3. To start off I couldn't flash with SD card. I had to do it the old fashion way (ROMUpdateUtility.EXE).

4. I use HomeScreen++ (mainly for OMAP) and it's nearly impossible to get to the TaskList.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Hey ivanmmj,

I just bought a custom domain for my website, so you can update the link in the first post. The one that you currently have will still work, but this one's shorter. Here's the link:

http://thewingster.com/ivanmmj.aspx
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
That's my fault. I forgot to name the file HERAIMG.nbh. (I changed my kitchen's scripting and forgot to fix that.)

Just name the file as HERAIMG.nbh and it will work.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] LordPhong:
I was trying to flash my Wing @ 2AM. it did occur to me to rename the file myself but I remember that the utility is a little faster to flash for me. No need to switch out my SD card.

Anyway, i think you did a fine job. I will probably not flash again for a long time.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] lennyjaxn:
When you say tactile feedback, are you talking about the Vibrate on Touch setting? This was the first ROM I used that had that enabled by default, and it scared me at first! I thought my phone was somehow broken! I think I even PMed Ivan to try to figure out what I did wrong (sorry, Ivan!). Anyway, once I learned I was an idiot and it was an adjustable setting, I disabled it and it's the first thing I disabled on subsequent flashes (before I learned how to use SASHIMI).

I can definitely see its usefulness for double-clicking, but I don't do any of that.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Hey, i was wondering if you could fix the unread txt message count thing. when your in a threaded SMS conversation, all of the new txts that you send and recieve are marked as unread, and you have to close out of the thread and re-open it x amounts of time to clear every single unread message. That's really annoying and someone else reported it before but I guess you couldnt fix it. so u think u could fix it now?
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
You dont have to exit the mms to get all the unread mms. When you press the button to see your unread mms press the down button ont the dpad to "view" the unread mms.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Um, I think you understood it wrong. First, I'm talking about in the SMS, not MMS. Next, it views the unread SMS's fine, it's just that when you're in the threaded conversation, it leaves all of the texts that you sent and recieved unread until you close out of the thread and open it back up x amount of times. You could build up a bunch of unread SMS messages the way it is now. Someone asked about this a long time ago, but it seemed like Ivan couldn't fix it. Maybe he could figure it out now, that'd be great if he could.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] nbx326:
Just use the D pad to go through the threaded messages and they will become "read".
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ace10134:
Oh ok. I'll try that.
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] ivanmmj:
Sorry guys, I was so busy at work that I didn't even get a chance to take my laptop out of its bag the whole day. I'll take a look at trying to understand what you mean. I'm not 100% sure since I'm not using the ROM myself. (I use a G1 as my primary phone.).
[Wing, P4350 ROM development] DestructDez1:
Thats what i ment >.<