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[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] corey113888:
Very cool! Thanks again for all the hard work! It deff was worth it. Looks like I will stick with DCD 4.1.2 for now.

Ya I have had it lockup on boot after flash before. Usualy a bad flash or bad kitchen build? I usually rebuild it or re-flash....
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
requires a donation no longer sounds like a donation .. sounds like payment ..

I freely give when I have it .. but don't tell me I HAVE TO give to get !! :rolleyes:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
I benchmarked it in high memory mode earlier today. I will get the results posted on the first page when I have a chance.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
sweet .. can't wait to see.. BTW whats a high memory mode :confused: lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
I got the idea from:

It is an option in nuerom under system settings. The only thing that it tells you it changes is it disables the camera. I'm unsure if it does more, it doesn't say. It frees up some of the ram though. About 5 megs according to my tests.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
dammm 5MB :eek: ok now I got to test this on other ROMs.. will that setting change work on other ROMs?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
Well in nuerom there is an added icon under system settings called "kernel" and all it lets you do is put it in high memory or low memory mode. Like I said I don't know for sure what it changes though other than the camera. In theory using a kitchen and not installing the camera will do it. Although it probably does some registry tweaks too. Research it and get back to me. ;)

Oh but don't get too excited about it. 5 megs freed is a lot, but the high memory mode (with more free ram) actually performed WORSE on most tests than low memory mode!

Edit: Charts on page 1 now include low and high memory modes for nuerom3-201. I think everyone will be surprised at the results. Other than more memory, it actually performs worse. That is why I have always said that more memory is only better in theory. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] neophyte.vii:
Best. Thread. Ever.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] EbolaCola:
Hmm... interesting.

I'd still like to see some real application benchmarks, though. Timing how long it takes Opera Mobile to load a large, complex web page, perhaps? (Loaded from local storage, don't want network performance to become a factor.) I'm not sure what's out there for benching these things...
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
thats nueKernel .. it was in the first few 6.5 beta .. it cause a major

memory leak I would not use nueKernel until the memory leak issue is fix..

well I guess that software close more than just camera.. cause even the

CPU test was slower!!! guess its only good to load up a big app, but not for

performance!!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
App test don't matter ... CPU performance will show how well any App will run,

this software also support app test and it pointless ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] EbolaCola:
So you're saying that synthetic benchmarks are completely predictive of real-world performance? Wow, you're really new to this whole benchmarking thing, aren't you? :rolleyes:
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
Let's not turn this thread in to a flame war.

What I will say is that benchmarks are very similar to dyno'ing a car. The results it gives you will be different versus actually driving the car in the real world. However it will give you a very good idea of what will run better than something else when they are all tested in the same way.

There is no doubt that in high memory mode you could run more programs at once. But if you are running a program that only uses 5mb worth of ram, it doesn't matter if you have 10mb free or 100mb, it will run exactly the same.

I will never claim these tests are 100%. But they give us a very good baseline.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
All of these ROMs actually have very similar results. The differences in metrics are very tiny. It does seem like there's a measurement that we're missing.

I wonder if DCD's latest beta isn't poor at compression because he disabled some driver to get more memory, because how often does one use compression?

Anyway, I find this data very valuable.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Well said and my point exactly!! guess I should have taken more time to explain that lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
I guess we need to benchmark Skippy's new titan ROM now, as vickylife007 is saying it's the fastest titan ROM available. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Well he does have a nice Kitchen .. cool layout .. I have used it a few times,

guess I'll load it up again and test it ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Performance Test results of Skip's Titan v1.1 Lite

Skip's Titan v1.1 Lite

Performance Test Results

Test configuration:

Well this is a VIP basic rom lol No M2D .. but very clean..

* Today items (not touch)

* screen capture running (used 195k of ram)

* Activesync running (idle used 350k)

FYI: As always See attach for source result files (.xml) and source .bmp screen shots ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
flipzmode .. add Skip results to your other results .. this way others will get

a better idea on how well Skip ROM stacks up ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Hey I found something interesting ... I was doing my App start overload test

and it seems that Skip's ROM turns off the 9MB free threshold .. this

means the HTC Task manager will not Auto Kill apps to protect the Phone/Apps

from crashing .. lol so far his rom is the only one with thing setting set to "Disabled" ..

hmm his registry also looks clean lol this guy done a ton of work lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
Umm, I disabled that in 1.0. :)

That's like the major thing that I fixed when taking over R4R. You're still having problems with apps closing down in Titan Reloaded?

Thanks for adding his ROM to the benchmarks.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Skip Rom seems like the 3.3.4 DCD ROM??

there is still some level of protection some place .. I can not get it to load any new app without killing something

once I got the memory down to 2MB free, so yeah apps still gets Auto killed .. but at a much lower available memory,

Phone keeps running strong tho.. man I wish the Titan had a faster CPU ..

BTW you are very welcome... remember I enjoy testing :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
See, truth is am not given to all these technicalities, but I guess they give a more balanced picture. Well, my submission about Skip's rom is the experience of a man actually driving a car as opposed to.......

My applications open faster with Skip's than any other 6.1 rom. The wm6.5 however is in another plane as it is faster than wm 6.1.

Now not saying Skip's is the best 6.1 rom in all ramification but it's the one wm6.1 rom to beat in speed.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
I'm busy busy the next few days. I'll get Skip's added as well as WM6.5 ASAP.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] EbolaCola:
I guess this is where we differ. To me, that's the whole point!

I'm not running a non-OEM ROM to decompress JPEGs .01s faster. I don't think most others here are either. I'm running it because the Titan's biggest weakness by far is its lack of RAM. Whatever lets me run Opera smoothly with M2D and maybe a music player running the background, that's what I'm gonna use.

The differences in times you're trumpeting here are utterly irrelevant in comparison to the time you'd spend waiting for, say, M2D to restart after it closed because you ran out of memory.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
Ok. You are obviously taking this very personal and I don't know why. No one has said "here is the best rom and here is the worst... because of what the benchmarks tell us." Just like XP vs Vista vs Linux vs Mac OS, different things work for different people, depending on what you plan on doing with it.

However, free ram is NOT the whole/only point. Let's put it in to perspective on a gaming computer. You can take 2 stock computers, let's say one is a little more loaded down than another. One has 500mb free, the other has 1gb free ram. However if you have done registry tweaks that negatively impact that computer with more free ram, and it now takes twice as long to render something (not saying that's how nuerom high mem is!) then it's not going to outperform the computer with less free ram when it comes to gaming (assuming both computers have enough free ram to run the game). But could you still run more programs without impacting it as much? Yes.

Why does that matter on the Titan? Well you specifically said you want to run m2d. Do you know how many images it has to render to open m2d? To look at the weather, programs menu, contacts? Or even something as simple as opening the dialer. A rom that renders images slower (I'm only using this example because you did) WILL run m2d slower; regardless of having more ram (again, assuming that both have enough free ram to run it at all). The same could be said about loading webpages on Opera. You don't think the speed at which that phone can render an image makes a difference when browsing the internet? Image rendering is a HUGE benchmark when it comes to testing operating systems and web browser, and a huge feature advertised when a web browser wins that benchmark.

Again, I am not here to say what rom is better than another because I have completely agreed with you in saying that benchmarks can't do that! If they did I would be running one of dcd's roms because it basically blows everything away, but I'm not. It's not the right rom for me.

What I am saying though is benchmarks mean something.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nuguy:
Have you seen drellisdees rom for the Titan?

Have you seen drellisdees rom for the Titan? This is the most solid rom I have seen yet! No kitchen, but supposedly a newer build. This one is a screamer, really sets a new threshold, I would love to see it fairly compared.

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=55711
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
COOL another ROM to test :).. anyways .. got a download link?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Titan/Users/Drellisdee/sprint/sprint_210xx.rar (Sprint)

http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Titan/Users/Drellisdee/vzw/vzw_210xx_Titan.rar (Verizon)

http://download.ppchaven.com/CDMA Devices/HTC Titan/Users/Drellisdee/alltel/alltel_210xxTitan.rar (Alltel)

I'd love to test but I have been swamped with work lately. I went from nothing to do to overloaded. Ha. If you get a chance to test mr-free just post your results and I'll get them added ASAP!

Thanks for the heads up nuguy, the reviews look good.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
I added Windows Mobile 6.5 (benchmark comparisons really show that it's outperforming in a lot of categories) and Skip's. We still need to test and add drellisdees'.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
thanks for the links .. but it seems all the files are corrupted..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Great Job flipzmode..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Cycomachead:
Verizon downloaded fine for me. Maybe right clicking it? if not try downloading stuffit expander, you have to provide an email :P but it is free.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
It took 2 attempts (first one stopped downloading almost immediately) but I was able to download Sprint without a problem. A little flaky of a server but it will work.

Won't have a chance to flash until tonight or tomorrow.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I'm able to download it and open it now.. seems like its setup for

an mSD card flash install ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] flipzmode:
You should be able to drop the file in to any other ruu phone updater and use it. I had to do that with nuerom3-201.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
cool .. I am loading it now.. give mea few.. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
drellisdees rom test results v210-14

here you go..

Test setup 100% same as all others..

see attach for more source capture pics and results xml file

I also try to get more memory by turning off the HTC 5 home ... this guy

loads way too much stuff .. some of the loaded apps did not even work,

just freeze the phone.. however he does have a highly tune registry ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
Thanks for another one. Interesting to see that it didn't fair as well, even on free memory, although it's not even running M2D.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
6.5 Built 21159 Test

Well I did a quick test of built 21159 Beta 2.. going to clean it up more and see if

I can get it to run faster ..

as always .. source files are attach ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
6.5 Built 21159 beta2 is pretty impressive on everything except graphics. What a funky looking scroll bar.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Yes bitserve, a very impressive piece of work but the graphics.................

especially the titanium, omg, beautiful concept, but poor on graphics.

Sometimes just can't have it all. Overall I like the rom, waiting anxiously for beta 3.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
I know this is crazy, but we should benchmark the stock Verizon and Sprint ROMs. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
in beta 3 .. I got the graphics to speed up by increasing the Glyph memory/cache size

from 8k to 32k also tested 64k and thats even faster, only issue if its low on memory

and using real memory for performance takes away from apps .. so right now I am

trying to free up more available memory, right now it seems some of the older 6.5 os

supporting .dll use less memory, currently building a SYS that use less overall memory

and still retain most of all the running service ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
lol very good idea.. I got my stock Verizon rom saved some place .. got a link to the sprint rom?

I'll test when I got home later ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
Be careful. I know the sprint stock rom includes boot loader, and radio ROM. If you do this, you may want to extract the OS and just install that. Actually, I'll do the sprint one so that I don't have to worry about you bricking your phone or messing up any qpst settings.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] 81344songz:
Why doesn't EPST work?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
sorry for the delay .. been busy with the 59 build .. I think most of the major issues

are fix and I can have fun playing around with other roms again :)

I'll do the stock Verizon test later and yeah I was thinking of putting the

Phone to 100% stock ROM/Radio/SPL etc.. I have done this a few times

no issues going to and from 100% stock so its all good :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
I've been pretty busy too. I'll do the Sprint one this weekend, and may do 1.3.3 too. I actually started to do these, but I wasn't sure your procedures. Are you doing the tests pre-carrier CAB? Also you said that you're enabling the today items. All of them?

Good to hear you're progressing well with your ROM. Are you doing a release then?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
man been crazy busy with a load of new little issues :),

yes I enable most of the today items .. I leave out the HTC plugin's and owner ..

other than that all the rest is check ..

I see you got 1.3.4 up .. got to check that one out soon!! truly like your work man!!

all my testes are done pre-carrier CAB .. just incase there is something

carrier dependent .. I did not load the carrier cab, also for the first boot

I would only takes pics of the Today screen and the Device About,

then do a soft reset, the moment the Today is fully loaded I would just

to the memory page and do a screen capture .. also to limit the amount of

used memory .. I put the screen capture on one of the hard button this way

I do not need to go to start/programs first before taking the pics ..

as for the SPB test .. I keep everything check except the local program tests .. uncheck them all..

As for the 6.5 stuff .. don't know if I will release it .. I think I'll keep it in beta

but I plan to Release my Beta 6 Kitchen .. as Beta 4 seems stable and beta 5 will have

all the new minor issues fix .. beta 6 will be more for memory "free up"

so far I got Beta 5 up to 22MB with a 6MB PPool. I still have just about all the service running

once I start removing the ones we don't need .. I can see another 2-3MB free ..

also tested 4MB PPool and the speed still seems the same as 6MB .. so who

knows .. I now include the PPoolchange so ppl can do their own thing if needed..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] 81344songz:
Why can't I access EPST with any of these roms???
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] phatstud:
I've been using a version of DCD's rom for the most part but I'm interested in running the PPCkitchen 6.1_20931 but I can't seem to find it?

I've updated buildos but it still doesn't come up, what am I doing wrong?
[Palm Treo 750] spider2077:
Can any one tell me if i can access a wireless network with my palm treo 750v and use the internet like i can do with Nokia n82 ???

P.S. I just upgraded to WM6
[Touch HD General] afhstingray:
How do i do this? i cant assign a button for it, i tried searching but those threads were recommending something called pocket shield, but isnt there a way to use the windows media player toggle screen function?

thanks
[Touch HD General] patcaleb:
Use CorePlayer or Pocket Music...they both have features to switch off the screen.:)
[Touch HD General] mmdirk:
Using Windows Media player you simply power off with the switch on top and the player continues.
[Touch HD General] bugsykoosh:
take a look here for Windows Media and Core: http://www.ppcmobility.com/forums/showthread.php?t=603
[Touch HD General] blackb1ade:
Possible that there's a setting I wasn't aware of in WMP but - I found that when I used WMP for music and hit the sleep button at the top, the music stopped playing - although when I use the music player tab in the TouchFlo3D, it carries on uninterrupted when hitting the sleep button
[Touch HD General] afhstingray:
i dont like the HTC media player, its much easier to search using windows media player.

i used to assign a key to toggle screen when i had my touch dual, but on the HD i cant assign any keys.

any help? if possible i dont want to download a third party media player.

at the moment im just letting the screen turn itself off, but doing so risks my pocket touching the screen and doing stuff
[Touch HD General] Svegetto:
My 2 cents

well I use TF3D for my music needs (it's enough for me) and my solution to turning the screen off (without headphones in, since with them it's not an issue) is with Gyrator which I have set to turn the screen off when I turn the HD upside down.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Just switch off the screen with your power button. It works regardless of whether you're using Coreplayer or native TF3D music player or FM radio. But the wired headset must be plug in for it to work.

An additional tip:

Since the screen is blanked out, how do you change volume and switch channel/song?

My way of doing this is to install AEBplus, and make single press of volume buttons Up and Down arrow key, and double press (you can use long press too, if you so prefer) as volume up and down. In this way, you need not get out of blank screen in order to skip or repeat songs, or to change channel.
[Touch HD General] binning:
Is there anyway of doing this via the htc player from the today screen?

I like the convenience of playing music from this screen. Just need the display to switch off.

Prefer not to install another player then have to search for it to play a bit of music.
[XPERIA X1 General] omaralt:
hey guys, i coincidentally walked into my local best buy store (boca raton, FL) and they actually had 2 x1a's in stock! and after talking to the manager, she even agreed to give me 20% off! anyways, just wanted to let you guys know, theres one left :) if you do go, talk to allison :) so far i'm loving the x1, but the battery cover is really hard to take off? or is it just me?
[XPERIA X1 General] adeltaY:
Wow! That's a tasty price! ($640 for those who didn't figure it out) :D

Battery cover problems are on and off from what I have read, congratz on your new buy BTW! How does it compare to the Fuze? :)
[XPERIA X1 General] omaralt:
i actually got it for an even better deal ;) after calculating the total with tax ($680), i searched on craigslist for bestbuy gift cards, and i found somebody who had a $750 card. i explained to him my situation, and he agreed to meet me at the best buy, and he agreed to charge $680 on his gift card, and i paid him $580 cash! so i got a hell of a deal :)
[XPERIA X1 General] jvs60:
I got my X1a brand new off of ebay this week for $568 with free shipping. I guess you gotta be patient and search, search, search...
[XPERIA X1 General] omaralt:
ya this is a beautiful phone, just not worth the $800+ that some people are paying. im still trying to find a nice homescreen to use. i downloaded the spb panel and so far thats the best. i just wish there was a way to quickly launch my favorite apps
[XPERIA X1 General] adeltaY:
Nice, what a deal! Lucky me, there is no sales tax in my state. But im still going with the X1i cuz of its superior video recording abilities, and its really easy to find cheap, about $650 now, and it should go down more in a few months. :)
[XPERIA X1 General] omaralt:
ya that video recording thing kinda pisses me off (i dont really record video that often, but its' still annoying nonetheless). from what i understand, thats really the only difference, right?
[XPERIA X1 General] jvs60:
You can order the X1i for under $600 incl. shipping from the UK according to the exchange rate.
[XPERIA X1 General] adeltaY:
Yeah it is . . . . at least that is the only difference (aside from different 3G bands) that SE has told us

Really? That's cool, where from (if im not allowed to ask that plz ignore this)
[XPERIA X1 General] orelsi:
Well...i payed 1000 euro for it, but i don't regret it even a bit :).
[XPERIA X1 General] jvs60:
Really? That's cool, where from (if im not allowed to ask that plz ignore this)[/QUOTE]

Check your PM
[XPERIA X1 General] jvs60:
check your PM
[XPERIA X1 General] adeltaY:
K, thanx, u doubleposted though. :D
[XPERIA X1 General] michaelthemage:
and the 'a' version has supposedly NO video calling enabled or even natively included. One has to manually install some cab and other file/s I heard.

And since even the 'a' version does NOT work with Tmob U.S. of A., no need to get that. ATT has also 850 and 1900 as 3G, so if you get 1900 in your area, you got 3G and don't need the 'a' version.
[P3400 General] raajeshonnet:
I have tried to u[grade my rom to vanilla theme rom downloaded fron xda...but after 2% it giving message "image file corrupted, pls check your update utiliy". Why is it so? Is there any support issue..pls help..
[P3400 General] Addicted2xda:
You are posting in the wrong place. Please read the stickey on Gene Upgrading etc forum before starting a thread.
[Touch HD General] vinumsv:
Hi Guys ,

I found Coreplayer suffers performance degradation when playing nHD Def video with audio enable but i disable audio i get ~ 100% benchmark :eek:

so is there any way too improve this ??

File Properties :

With Audio :

Without Audio ( Audio Disable) :
[Touch HD General] johnpatcher:
I think thats not unusual. Decoding the audio need also some performance!?
[Touch HD General] xdanodrog:
I've ditched Core palyer in favour of Divx Player get it from here

http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocket-divx-player-0-8.html

Plays my converted films no problem