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[Touch HD General] jeannot61:
TG01 ? oh no... I prefer th Touch HD for the moment...

TG01 has bad resolution camera (3.15 MP) and no video call capabilities !

But for me my Diamond is little too small, which is why I still use my Touch HD pretty often
[Touch HD General] ez2remember:
I agree the TG01 is too big.

I reckon it's too big to wrap you hand around comfortably for one handed thumb operation. Imagine having to operate this phone with two hands all the time.

Maybe too big to fit some pockets.

THD / iPhone is about the largest L x W I'm willing to go.

Also no support from XDA. The biggest :(
[Touch HD General] arfster:
Lowering the resolution is a good thing, it'll take better pictures at this sensor size due to less noise problems. That's why they've done it.

5 megapixels is way too many for a phone, and thus the HD's camera is rubbish.
[Touch HD General] axlback:
agreed.. 5 megapixels is ridiculous for a sensor of that size and the proof is in the poor quality of the pictures taken by the hd. i think you'd find that the pictures would look better on the toshiba (if they do the job properly.. pictures taken on se's and samsungs certainly do). it's the size of the phone that's the issue for me..
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
also agree that 3 megapixels is way better than 5 megapixels on these devices! as for the size this toshiba is way to big for one hand operation...
[Touch HD General] Zuber:
Just checked out this vid on youtube earlier. Good hands on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXNbcv5yOb0&feature=related

Around 8 minute mark, you get a hint that it will be WinMo 6.5. Not a clear it wil will be, more a not allowed to talk about that, giggle kind of thing.

I think you guys are right about 3 megapixels being fine.

It's not how many megapixels, it's what you do with them :)

Flash would have been far more help.

It looks the same size as my N810 only skinnier. That was pocketable for me, though a little awkward. Having said that, part of the problem was that I would also be carrying a phone. This would eliminate that, so might not be so bad.

Zuber
[Touch HD General] nhudgell:
If you skip over to Pocketnow.com - they've got a size comparison. As of yet, I've not got my HD, but waiting for the right moment....

Anyhow - my point is, the HD is fairly large anyway - which is great. But the TG01 is even bigger. Do people want something that big in your pocket?! If they could get all the tech, into something the size of the HD, I'd be sold!
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
From an Athena user, TG01 is still very small. I had no problem with Athena, so I don't think TG01 size is a problem.:D

I wonder if it is true that TG01 has TV-out functionality for making corporate presentation and viewming movies on large screen?
[Touch HD General] pjhollin:
I wouldn't expect size would be a problem for me. It's dimensions are smaller than my Jornada 568 which fit comfortably in my pants pocket for several years. Thickness is more important to me than the face-on footprint, and this device is very thin, so it should be OK. It may be difficult for one-handed use, but I'm a stylus guy, so I use two hands anyway. I also prefer the normal WinMo user interface, so hopefully Toshiba's UI can be turned off.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I don't think one hand usage is a problem. In fact, it should feel smaller than iPhone or HD on your hand because of its thinness. The main difference between TG01 and either iPhone or HD is the length, which does not affect the "holdability" in anyway whatsoever, if you're holding it in portrait mode. In landscape mode, we normally use two hands anyway, so the longer TG01 would not be an issue.

If I hold my HD one handed with my right hand, my right thumb is now able to reach beyond the left side of the screen. So... will not have any problem with TG01.
[Touch HD General] Zuber:
I think the question for me would be. Can I put it in my pocket and then sit down without breaking it or me.

I'd say it's borderline.

If anyone wants to get a 'feel' for it. Pop into a shop that sells a Nokia N810 internet tablet. Virtually identical size apart from thickness.

Looking at the videos, I think it would be a bit difficult to hold and operate single handed.

Zuber
[Touch HD General] Noam23:
Please don't forget: the difference between a 3.8" screen and 4.1" screen is *tiny*. Without a side by side comparison you won't be able to tell the difference. On the other hand, the difference in size between the Touch HD and TG01, is HUGE, why ?, because of the extremely huge bezel around the TG01's screen. Yes, the TG01 is so much larger than the Touch HD just because of the horrible large bezel. Good luck with that.
[Touch HD General] mitut:
for me the TG01 is not a well design phone.
[Touch HD General] marcel808:
I've seen a lot of talk about this new qualcomm chipset. And I also read the Toshiba has coreplayer installed.

I don't think coreplayer has any specific hardware drivers built in for chipsets.

Has anyone seen anything that says there is 2D and 3D hardware support from this chipset? Looks like the Toshiba interface is accelerated but if the apps aren't, its no better than the HD is it?
[Touch HD General] ez2remember:
Even without the drivers coreplayer will be able to play more or less anything you chuck at it except 1080 Hi-Def videos but that would be wasted anyway on a WVGA 4.1" screen. 1GHz can process a lot...

The bezel makes the TG01 about 10mm wider and taller than the HD from pictures I've seen. I don't call that comfortable to hold with one hand at all...
[Touch HD General] arfster:
Problem seems to be with scaling though - the Qualcom chipsets seem to be terrible at that. Decoding itself is easy enough.
[Touch HD General] Zuber:
Different people, different opinions/sized pocket/sized hands and all that...

But, I just pulled out my HTC Universal. That's about the same height, but around 10mm wider and way way thicker.

I was perfectly able to hold that in one hand and even operate it for basic dialing type functions single handed (big thumb pressable items only).

I even found it pocketable (as long as you did not mind the bulge). So given that it's a lot skinnier, I don't think it will be that bad.

Only thing that worries me (from a holdin it point of view), is how thin it is. Kind of looks difficult to get a good firm grip around it.

I think my only major concerns now would be lack of support from this forum and Toshiba track record.

Zuber
[Touch HD General] chaosxq:
On paper

On paper it sounds fantastic, i think the interface demonstrated on video looks a bit gay.

I hear HTC are going to be getting shacked up with NVIDIA for a Tegra product...fantastic...
[Touch HD General] razorblader:
Looks interesting as far as the specs are concerned but the UI is fugly, what's up with the super small icons on the top half of the screen? The guy demonstrating the phone has the hardest time to hit some of those, lol. Qualcomm plus WinMo 6.1, nah...not again.
[Touch HD General] stefn22:
I have read through and want to generate more replies :)

1. WM6.5: is it really an improvement? if it is, it should have been WM7, right?... remember wm6 to wm6.1... to wm6.5... isnt it a way to hide how bad this company is at proposing a decent OS? Hopefully we wont have WM Vista... lol

I am sure there ll be a free upgrade but we all know it won't be multi touch, so what's the point?

Check skybox stuffs on msmobiles... microsoft in da cloud?? haha

2. WM7: an improved WM6.5? haha... see comments above...

3. camera / video call: just for my information, who's using video call on this planet?????? for the camera, i believe a proper 5M would not fit in there anyway...

4. resistive vs. capacitive: well, with capacitive you would not be able to access small icons or internet links... do i need to explain more? call the WM team at Microsoft for more detail :)

5. size: i think that's perfect and here is the reason: take your psp, add your ipod (well it's not because i love WM that i can't have apple products), and then add whatever slimmest phone you have (that should be doing most of the stuffs a WM device does) and try, without cheating, to put all 3 into 129x70x9.9mm. anyone?

I guess it depends what you're after... I dont carry a bag or a suitcase at all time, so as long as it s pocketable, i'm good....

but true, the bezel's too big....
[Touch HD General] razorblader:
I will never be early adopter on a new Qualcomm chipset ever again. Qualcomm is to be avoided at all cost...:(
[Touch HD General] tbfl:
I'm still using my TyTN II here in the US and have not bought an HD due to no 3G...hoping the Aussie version will work here.

I looked at this a whole different way....

HTC said they did not bring the Touch HD here because they had something better coming for the US market because:

"by the time we could bring Touch HD to the states, it would be old news. we do have other cool stuff coming"

Maybe the 'other stuff coming' could be the Touch HD form factor with a Snapdragon processor inside ? Or the NVIDIA graphic set ? OR both ?

Also, no headphone jack on the Tosh would be a big enough deal breaker for me to stick with an HD.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Too big for me is what everyone said about my HD too. But to all of us who own one, we know better. If your previous device is smaller than HD, you're going to say "HD is gigantic". If your previous device is bigger than HD (which is my situation), you're going to say "Gee, it's so tiny" and worry about the useability of such a small screen for web browsing like I did.

The same thing applies to TG01, I think.
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
I reckon it is too big. The HD has to be the perfect size without opening your palm to an uncomfortable position.

I had the E61 and that was very uncomfortable and i'm guessing it will be the same feeling holding the Toshiba one.

Just wish we could get the GPU drivers for the HD.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Will the Toshiba TG01 3g work in the US

or will have same issues like HD ?

& when can we buy Toshiba ?

& when some LIKE HD from HTC cuming lol to US ?
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Here are some details. Expected Q2 2009. I understand Europe will again get it first before US.

According to this specification, 3G is on 2100. You use 850 in US? But I don't know how accurate is this specs though.

http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_tg01-2662.php

On this specs, it seems that it supports 850, but did not say if the 850 is just for GSM or also for HSDPA

http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/cellular/1787/toshibatg01/

On this site:

http://mobile.softpedia.com/phones/Toshiba/Toshiba-TG01.shtml

It again seems to suggest that only 2100 is availalbe for 3G.

I guess the bottom line is wait for a while for more confirmed information.
[Touch HD General] ModernMuseum:
I maybe be alone on this one, but that three-bar interface on the Toshiba's main screen is hideous. I'm sure someone else will come out with an altered UI, but those bright colors look immature and silly.
[Touch HD General] Cheesy Dave:
Agree, that interface looks horrible.

I must admit to being seduced by the prettiness of the TF3D interface even though the functionality is limited !!

The TG01 is not for me: too big and I had a bad experience (luckily for only a few days) with a Toshiba G900 which was rubbish.
[Touch HD General] stefn22:
Hopefully Toshiba have also ordered the 8650 to propose tg01 with 8650 for the US. "The dual-mode QSD8650 supports HSPA, as well as CDMA2000® 1xEV-DO Rev. B, with full backward compatibility"

http://www.qualcomm.com/news/releases/2007/071114_Qualcomm_Snapdragon.html
[Touch HD General] Raudi1:
The interface looks really silly and ineffective. The first thing I would do with the Toshiba would be getting rid of that interface or at least those colors.

The only thing I don't really like about my HD is the lack of D-pad and other hardware buttons.

When I look at the Toshiba I see much space above the screen so why didn't they put the screen more to the top? That way there would be enough space for a D-pad.

That would be the only reason for me to switch to the Toshiba.

In my opinion you would only get a much bigger device with a stupid interface.

The display is just slightly bigger and I don't need the 1Ghz CPU.

For Video Playback the HD with the acceleration in HTC Album is enough. You have to convert the Videos but I would do it anyway because it just wastes space and CPU to have more pixels than the display can show.

It would perhaps shorten the loading times etc. but I don't use CPU hungry software.

I don't really play games(Most Games I player are Rubbish or don't need much CPU and it makes more fun to play on the PC or Console) and the only other thing I can think of at the moment is converting or resizing large pictures etc. (it really seems to take forever to do that in XNView when you do it for 10times) but normally I do that on the PC. The only time I used it recently was in Latin at school when I was really bored and wanted to draw on my teachers face:D but was only able to get a shot where he was far away and I had to cut the picture.

So I will stay with my HTC but I can't say anything definite because I don't know battery life and most important the price. I don't have enough money to waste to buy every half year the newest high-end PDA. And HTC wont sleep so I'll just wait and see what time brings.
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
Tosh

Pros: 1ghz processor, 4.1" screen

Cons: Bad support form toshiba, interface UI is so new I´m sure it will have errors and complications, processor hungry for battery I think, and again NO KEYBORAD!

HD: everybody knows pros and cons.

Anyway if they were the only 2 devices on earth I´ll choose Toshiba...
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Bad news for American XDA'ers

http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=2799

No Toshiba TG01 for you.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
I wont worry about the ugly interface.Just replace it with something like spb mobile shell.
[Touch HD General] eaglesteve:
Sad news indeed. What are these TG and HD designer thinking? Don't they realize there are international travellers from Asia who need to use the same phone in USA and they want 3g not just phone and GPRS?
[Touch HD General] orb3000:
As long as it has WIFI I really don´t care about loosing 3G, I never use it...
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
the rest of the World does Use it my friend :)
[Touch HD General] savior02:
wow i see alot of haters out there....how can u even complain about the real estate on this device! its perfect! quit hating this phone blows the touch hd out the water! easily!
[Touch HD General] CorruptedSanity:
I want to know a few things:

1- Will I be able to turn off Toshiba's new interface? I have never been a fan of manufacturer interfaces. Sure the brand new TF3d (on the TP2 tDiamond2) look great but I prefer SPB Mobile Shell and Pocket Plus.

2- Will the lack of hardware buttons affect usage? I had a little trouble migrating from a TyTN II to an HD. I was used to the D-Pad and the select-wheel top left. Just recently its been getting to the point where I do not feel a difference (thanks to third party apps like Pbar - AEButton and SPB).

3- Will the faster processor result in apps opening faster, switching between apps faster and a generally faster device?

4- How does the graphic card compare to the HD? I know they are both WVGA but remmeber that the HD has 800x480 pixels distributed on less real estate meaning more PPI (pixels per inch) which means a better image , but by how much?

101,050 PPI for the HD and 93,670. The TG01 has about 7.3% less PPI than the HD.

Personally I dont mind a taller and/or wider device especially since it is as thin if not thinner. The only bother is the top part of the device, all that empty space makes it look ugly and perhaps even look bigger than it really is.
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
It's not about hating it, it's just common sense. You praise bigger screen real estate but i doubt you have ever used a phone that was that big then you will change your mind.
[Touch HD General] AlfCheesey:
The problem I have with this phone's dimensions is that as well as being so tall and wide, it is so thin. It's becoming more like a piece of paper, it will be prone to flexing and bending.

I'm still using an old Dell Axim X50v, which has dimensions WxHxD 119x73x16mm (compared to TG01 130x71x9.9) and I can fit it in my pocket with no problem. But it's quite stiff. If I were to put the TG01 in my pocket I think it would bend and probably crack within the first few months.

Another thing - the Micro-USB slot is supposed to be used as the headphone socket, with an adapter. But from the photos the socket appears to be on the side. So if you have this in your pocket, the adapter is going to stick out even further, so you probably wouldn't be able to fit it in you pocket.

I think I'll wait for the HTC Touch HD2 with the new processor and graphics support, and WM7.
[Touch HD General] locateneil:
Snapdragon is not battery hungry processor

1GHz does not mean more power consumption. it all depends on the design and technology of the processor chip. take a look at nVidia Tegra a bit, they will run on 750MHz and 1GHz and still consume 1 Watt range compare to Qualcomm MSM 520MHz for 2-4 Watt range.

we all already know that Snapdragon is the future of Qualcomm and end of old ****ty MSM series. this is the time to see some amazingly power efficient though very powerful processors chips in 2009.

I am looking forward for (much hyped) nVidia Tegra, Qualcomm Snapdragon, TI OMAP4 and may be Samsung chip in Iphone3.

in case of Toshiba, it got big 4.1 inch screen to power which might make battery drain bit sooner. Still hopefully Snapdragon coming out 1st in the league and will see what Qualcomm is upto in 2009 :).
[Touch HD General] Moandal:
I'm not that keen on the TG01 for the following reasons:

Like everyone says, it's too big: only 3mm more diagonal on the screen but you have to live with a 16mm longer phone - why?

It's battery is only 1000 mAh

I really don't like the look of the user interface - TF3D looks much better

I prefer the styling of the HD
[Touch HD General] billu:
But it is fr***ing fast!
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
Battery Life matters ALOT to me

So till all are out, ill wait

Hope one of the new phones

has 8hrs+ battery TALK TIME :)
[Touch HD General] gfreek:
Spec and design wise this device is great however IMHO this device is just too big it almost looks like a tablet pc check this video out! http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3208
[Touch HD General] billu:
It does look like a skate board.:D
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
well it looks like the tg01 will meet it's match with the htc thoth 100: http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=1785 :cool:
[Touch HD General] Bright.Light:
Can't wait until november.

In Germany only O2 will sell the TG01 device:

http://www.de.o2.com/ext/o2/wizard/index?page_id=14746;tree_id=303;category_id=;year=;page=1;state=online;style=portal

I hope they won't sell it combined with a subscription here in The Netherlands, so I can buy one here!
[Touch HD General] savior02:
lol are u crazy!? my girl has the iphone and the only thing i like about her ohone is the huge screen!!! its like having a bigger house over a small one! big screens are for phones of the future buddy..
[Touch HD General] Step666:
And when does it end?

When the phone itself is so huge you can't hold it with one hand? When they're so big that you literally cannot fit them into any of your pockets? When you start to stray into tablet PC territory?

A bigger screen is not always better - if it were we'd all be wondering round with 32" mobile phones(!)
[Touch HD General] savior02:
dude how did you go from 4 inches to 32?lol wow no one is saying that big and I would love to replace my 17 inch laptop with a PDA any day and it looks like this is where we will end up
[Touch HD General] stoolzo:
Phone wars

Don't be too proud of this technological terror "Thoth", HTC has constructed. Its ability to play a video file will be insignificant next to the power of the TG01"

Thoth - HTC no 3d or video acceleration drivers

TG01 - Full Video and 3D acceleration drivers.
[Touch HD General] Radeon123:
But the Thoth uses the snapdragon CPU and not the current Qualcomm 7/8 series CPU's

Snapdragon performance crushes the current Qualcomm CPU's with 3D acceleration :)
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
errrm are you feeling alright?

The Touch HD has a bigger screen than the iPhone and the Touch HD has the perfect size imo but what i'm stating is that there is a point when the screen hits the threshold of just being too big.

I'm sorry, but an iPhone screen is not that big, an i was talking about 4.3" making it wide which is where it becomes uncomfortable.
[Touch HD General] savior02:
the iphone was just an example of a big screen...the iphones screen is bigger than alot of phones out there..i wasnt comparing the iphones screen with the HD's..the new touch pro2's 3.6 screen is perfect i think....but in any case we wont even be using screens anyway in the future you just watch...take a look...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6f6IBZI4CE
[Touch HD General] Psyberd:
Where does it end? It wont. Wait til folding screens come out, flexible 4" screen - flip nice smooth 8" screen :) also projection screens. who knows when theyll manage holographic screens :) or goes on and on
[Touch HD General] stoolzo:
phone wars

Granted, however if HTC dont provide the correct chipset drivers again then the tgo1 will leave the thoth in the gutter performance wise. - and they wont. The Touch HD is crippled due to having no proper chipset drivers, as will the thoth.
[Touch HD General] xdaman85:
Im not going to buy another windows mobile device and just stick with the touch hd untill either a snapdragon or tegra device comes out. Right now all were getting from htc is the same thing with no drastically improved hardware. For example the new touch pro 2 or diamond 2 other then the aesthetics, hardware wise its not very different.
[Touch HD General] ilordvader:
I Agree

its not worth buying any phone now

till Windows 7 mobile is out
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
just an update...I noticed on PDAdb.net that Toshiba have also announced a TG02, TG03, K01, K02, & L01 all with Snapdragon for this year. They are taking no prisoners!!
[Touch HD General] Shujitzu:
TG01

this is my first post in the forum...

I just want to say I had my tg01 for 4 days now and I won't recomend it to anyone.

Cons that I come across:

1. Battery doesn't last even for a day. I only use it for a few calls about 20mins internet usage. Nice to play movies on it but iI bet it won't last till the film finishes. In short, battery life is really poor - what does a good machine worth if its not working...

2. UI looks good and very responsive but lacking the functionality. tf3d2 is way way better. The UI is just like you put shortcuts on it nothing else. everything else is windows programs.

3. OS unstable had already a few crashes. Functions and tools mimics more like a PC which is really bad as it is not a PC. Some of the simple options of WM6.1 has been taken away for example the task manager option where you would close the program by clicking the button is not there so whenever you x a program it runs in the background until you end it through the task manager.

Thats it for now.. maybe more cons to come..:(
[Touch HD General] Topfar:
Thank you for the comments, keep them coming. I was searching for details on the battery from someone in the real world.
[Touch HD General] leeston2379:
I don't know where it ends but it all started with the motorola 8500 (if your to young check google images) the phone known as the brick, it was f*ckin huge but plenty of people bought them. I had one! (wow i am old):)
[Touch HD General] leeston2379:
1 - Toshiba are quoting a huge standby time, can't remember exactly what though. Guess they exagerate.

2 - TF3D is already runnging on the TG01 - check out modaco

3 - If it isn't there install it, were are on XDA Developers

I get mine today and will post results after a few days.