[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] speed_pour:
Note: it's not obvious, but I always think and talk semi-sarcastically. I can't turn it off, but I want to say I'm not meaning to pick on anybody here. Please read this with a smile and chuckle ;)

redgarter437

iceman4357

At0mAng

markgamber (only for the last line, which might actually be possible, I admit uncertainty, forgive me if I'm mistaken)

Each of you are guilty of what you're complaining about. In each of your posts, you ask for Chefs (or OP's) to have selective moderation over their ROM threads, despite the fact that it's listed both in the poll as not being an option AND earlier in this thread it's been mentioned multiple times as being impossible with this forum software without extreme modification to the code. Accept my apologies, I mean no disrespect by listing you guys, and certainly you're not the only ones who've done this. The last thing I want to do is start a fight, I swear I'm just making a point; which is that even the people who insist everybody should read a thread from the beginning aren't doing it. According to At0mAng, he read the entire thread, but either missed this or forgot it by the time it came to writing a post. Obviously I'm no judge of the subject, but I think this shows that newbs, senior members, and even Chefs ;) are contributors to the noise, even when done with the best intentions. Please, let's stop picking on them and start finding a better way to handle it. Besides, who has the time to read 253 posts, many of them as long as this one? :o

@redgarter437:

In my opinion, we are still a sub-culture, and certainly not mainstream by comparison to either the iPhone or Android (perhaps less phones, but larger group of avid supporters), but we're a sub-culture that's growing beyond the size that it's old structure could support. Running away or alienating the masses might be good for developing truly niche elements, but it's bad for the community that's building here. Besides, it's clear that in the future the carriers and manufacturers are going to look to us even more, and that means that WE will tell them what they need to do for us instead of them telling us that we only need what they give us, which gives us something above iPhone and even Android.

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Too many solutions involve making newbs read several pages or spend several hours searching for things that they don't know a lot about to form a decent search. Admit it, most of us wouldn't jump through those hoops for anything unless we were truly desperate. It might sound funny to haze the new guys, but it's not going to happen (especially since nobody here wants to do the work involved in setting up the hazing rituals).....so stop suggesting extensive testing and long winded "READ FIRST" articles.

The newbs aren't going away...and if you look at the leaked phone list for the US carriers (I admit it, the worst newbs are coming from my country), everybody should see the obvious, that there's going to be a LOT of new and uneducated people coming soon. Everybody seems to agree that they all just want instant gratification. The choices are to either fight them or work with them. Anybody disagree?

REAL solutions welcome...

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