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[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mcmexican:
I wanted to get some opinions before I posted again. I have read the entire thread. One thing I do not want to do is lose sight of the reason for my posting in the first place. We need to make a change of some kind and not just deliberate over it till it runs out of steam. What I would like is to get the most agreeable consensus, hopefully by both the user group, and the technical experts on the site. Some of the suggestions are below. If I missed any I am sorry, just let me know. I read the entire thread in one shot.

I.	Question and Answer before being allowed to post.

II.	A membership fee -(I am opposed to this personally)

III.	A time period before the user can post

IV.	A peer rating system

V.	Chefs to have complete control of their thread

VI.	Email to include conduct policy when joining the site

VII.	A cookie that validates they have ready certain pages

VIII.	A point system flagged by other users.

VIII. Confirmation e-mail with a link to a tutorial they would have to complete before becoming a member.

-McMex
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
setup a poll
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mcmexican:
I wanted to gather all relevant suggestions and refine the list then set the poll up. I do not want to miss a good idea or let everyone have input.

-McMex

P.S. @aaronsmckee "No one beats me" - Fedor
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] scotchua:
As was suggested earlier, i took it upon myself to create a thread for questions and answers about the fuze/touch pro. It is located here:

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=477149

I'll start moving questions there for awhile and see how it goes. If it becomes a problem, i'll just get rid of it. Never hurts to experiment. Of course i won't be able to answer all the questions so anyone who feels so inclined is welcome to drop by ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] dwightery:
I'd like to just echo derek's comments here. I've been on the forums lurking for the better part of 2 years. I consider myself technical enough to figure out what's going on in most areas, but i would put myself in the category of noob/lurker when it comes to xda & winmo devices. I started with a hermes (cingular 8125), went to a hermes (cingular 8525) and now the touch pro (at&t fuze). I've flashed numerous roms and had my share of problems, but overall, have been very happy with the experience, and the amount of information available from you folk here on xda. I try to help out and answer a question if I know the answer, but that's rare! :)

As some of the guys said, with the higher availability of devices on the market, more and more 'new' users are finding the forums, and may only put a little thought into asking what alot of experience users find to be a silly, common or faq question. I myself find that the terms & jargon used by the developers on here (I'm not complaining, just stating) a bit challenging, but after some searching, usually find out the meaning ("kitchen" and "chef" just being a couple quick examples).

in any case, being a noob and somewhat technical, I would agree with alot of the suggestions:

- a chef/moderated forum that most other users can only view - keeping the signal to noise ratio bareable

- a dedicated forum for users to ask 'silly questions'

- perhaps a 'troubleshooting' forum (in my defense, i'm stupid, this may already exist!)

*shrugs* I can say one thing, that without the team that contributes to these forums, that I'd still be lost in the dark and considering an iphone :)

my thanks, and if anyone wants my 2c cdn worth donated, i'm ok with that too

dwight.

edit - ps i'm not trying to be a smartass/flamebaiting with the donation comment, sorry.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aruppenthal:
Ill gladly help out where I can. It will save me from hopping all over to answer questions.

As I stated earlier in the thread. I would REALLY also like to see something like number 5 on Mcmex's list. If Chefs had complete control over thier threads, chefs would basically never need to start new threads. We could weed out useless junk. Thus making it easier to find information. We would get less rom related posts in the main forum if users felt the question would not go unnoticed in the rom thread. I am quite sure i could cut 500+ posts out of my current thread.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] scotchua:
Conceptually it sounds like a good idea, but i think realistically it would prove problematic to give that many people the power to delete threads. There's a very small number of people here who actually do it and even then we still have to deal with a lot of backlash over deleted/moderated posts. I personally fear it would make chef's even less likely to enjoy helping people around here, but that of course is only my humble opinion.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ptyindian:
Ok i have been reading this thread for a while now and i am probably what you might consider a noob as well. I have only been on the forums since November and the Fuze is my first win mo device. I used to be a noob and proabably still am but i did a lot of reading and now i actually go around trying to find questions i can answer. So here is what i think on the items that McMex is asking.

I. Question and Answer before being allowed to post. (Yes)

II. A membership fee - (No i dont think we should have this)

III. A time period before the user can post (Yes possibly)

IV. A peer rating system (Yes would be helpful)

V. Chefs to have complete control of their thread (I think chefs should be given complete control of their thread i also think that the original creator of the thread should have the ability to delete his thread if he sees that his question has already been answered. Or maybe we can have an alert mod option so users can alert mods that this is a repost and question has been answered)

VI. Email to include conduct policy when joining the site (agree)

VII. A cookie that validates they have ready certain pages (idk how helpful it will be and if i reset my cookies or something i have to go through all those pages again which is a pain)

VIII. A point system flagged by other users. (Yes)

VIII. Confirmation e-mail with a link to a tutorial they would have to complete before becoming a member.(What kind of tutorial? Search function tutorial? and what kinds of questions are posted in what section tutorial?
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aruppenthal:
I actually had only thier specific thread in mind. However after just now playing with my own forum software I realize that is not possible unless each chef were granted a subforum. :(
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] NotATreoFan:
Relax, it's not CS3 or CS4... plus I bought it from my Community College. :)

How? I don't ask for money prior to providing a download link to my ROMs and files. The two are nothing alike.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Arktronic:
One major issue for cooks is that there are tons of redundant posts... not even the ones saying "omg its so fast!!!11" but the ones requesting the same feature or reporting the same bug over and over and over and over again. I know that if I were to cook and release a ROM, I would get fed up with those very quickly. Perhaps what we need is a better system for tracking user requests and bug reports - an issue tracking system, basically. There are plenty of free/open source ones out there that could be installed on another subdomain under xda-developers.com, like the wiki was.

As for the thank-you posts, I think it is absolutely imperative to implement the Post Thank You Hack because a lot of us don't say thanks since we know that it's a useless post that just pollutes threads, but we really are thankful to the cooks.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] tyguy:
Issue tracking system

Guys and girls, though a great idea but do you have ANY idea how much data is produced and how much work it is to maintain such a database?

I maintained bugzilla as the internal bug tracking system in our company for some time and - THANKS GOD - I was able that somebody else took on that task (fulltime +1 day job)!

We are just a little under 100 people here (mainly crazy engineers) so go figure what would happen on XDA-DEV....
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Chainfire:
Hmm hmm this thread is going fast!

The "thank you" module (like PPCGeeks has) would for one be a very nice thing to have - though it isn't really relevant to the problem at hand, I guess.

Having some posts that have to be read before you can post yourself may be a good idea. Don't have to do it with cookies, but it could be tracked in the account itself, so a "clear private data" in the browser wouldn't matter.

Project-based trac (for those chefs/devs that want to use it) would be great too.

About the donating, though (and this might seem a bit weird coming from me, to some), I actually think "required donating" should be mandatory. It doesn't have to be money, it could be research time and effort, making something yourself, etc, but people who are part of this community should do _something_ to better the community. The "problematic" folk that are the subject of this thread, after all, only take but give nothing back. Helping others, updating wiki, figuring something new out, is donating your time and effort. "Donating" to a project is donating money. Doesn't really matter what or to whom you donate, as long as you do. Completely unenforcable ofcourse, but from a "frame of mind", I think everybody should donate. (Well I hope that made sense in some way)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mcmexican:
Scott, I think this is a good idea. I just feel that the people that should read and would benefit from it will not read it. I think at a minimum the senior membership needs to do more policing and troubleshooting to help with the large amount of people who do not read or search but want to be spoon fed. I am sure we can come up with a better solution but until then maybe pointing people who post dumb questions or didnt search to this post would be a good begining.

-McMex
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
i for one vote for scaring the sht out of would be dumb posters. brute force get it done every time.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Arktronic:
Not to belittle your argument, but what did you expect from a 10+ year old Perl application? ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Here! Here! I'm always down with that.

I think this would be a nice addition as well :)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
if there is a thank you button there must be a "you're an a-hole" button as well.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Da_G:
lol rza, lol.

sounds kind of like a digg it/bury it system with an ny flavor :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Agreed...but what happens when you get to many "a-hole" votes!

I retract my earlier statement about incompetence not being "as prevalent" in the Blackstone forum.

I was wrong.

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3247178&postcount=199

EDIT:

Why not have a wall of shame? Just keep adding users to it who don't search before asking something.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
LMAO the wall of shame lol. my time here has come to an end. nyquil is kicking ass around here. night night ladies and nerds!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] rkatzla:
As a relative newcomer to XDA, my perspective might be a bit different than those of more experienced members. I have found XDA to be a treasure trove of information, tweaks, CABs, radios and ROMs. The more time I spend reading, the more I learn and have fun.

This experience is not enhanced by my ability to post. As a matter of fact, most of the time I am completely unqualified to post. At this stage of my learning, I really don’t need to post.

As such, I would suggest a very limited ability for new members to post. Perhaps new members could only participate in polls, or by invitation in a particular thread if the chef is looking for specific feedback from a larger audience.

What if there was a “Junior Message Board” to submit posts for approval, which could then be forwarded to the appropriate thread (I realize this creates more work for the Mods)? This process could ultimately qualify members for increased posting permission.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
I'm so pissed at Arloski, I thought he had it, bastard cost me $50. The real solution to the XDA problem is the solution to all major problems, bring in Fedor. All we have to do is make Fedor an honorary moderator. After the first three jacktards get armbarred/jaws broken... no more bad posts.:D
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] mcmexican:
Who takes chances or hot shot moves fighting Fedor?

Better than Fedor as a Moderator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oU1jra7RKCQ

-McMex
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] AllTheWay:
...but what's better then having one office linebacker....having two office linebackers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJOzE1GJWw&feature=related

would be nice to have a Office Linebacker for XDA!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] NRGZ28:
As a chef myself, I would love to have complete control of the threads I start. But for that, unfortunately, you have to be a mod...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] th1nm1nt:
I too have seen a transition in the forums, but think that for the most part, there are a lot of people calling out the ones that do not search. Read almost every thread, and the first reply involves the words "search" and "noob".

I do like the rating system idea, and once they reach a certain number of bad ratings, their IP address is blocked (not screen name, or there is going to be a lot of people opening 20 screen names to come in and yell at the mods, only adding to the issue of junk on the board). So long as there are caps on negative feedback, like three max per thread. This way, someone that ticks off a long time member doesn't have to fight how popular he is.

With my vote however, I did select a membership. This forum has knowledge up and beyond the developers getting paid the big bucks with these companies like HTC. At the end of the day, true contributors can receive compensation based on their contributions (could be voted on by moderators how it is divided) since a lot of individual's "Donate" buttons are ignored. This forum has information I would pay for, and have contributed to, simply because of its content. Paying keeps the lazy folks in the position of a lurker. Hell, we should keep the lurkers out too for that fact. That way, everyone that gets access to this great information is donating either in the form of system modifications, or donating financially. I know just enough to get myself in trouble when it comes to WM6, but sure as hell couldn't produce a fraction of the stuff I've seen here. But I sure would contribute my share....$$$
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Dane Austin:
I'm obviously newer to this forum. But I have been a mod on other boards and know how much work that can be (to the point that I got burnt out and stepped down). The suggustions of create this and that is an immense undertaking.

I also agree that the number of useless posts on here are rediculous. When I have to go through ten pages from the last 24 hours just to find the solution to a problem on a ROM that I flashed the night before it is very discouraging. Also everytime I use the search function it comes up with tons of irrelevent info. I have typed in a search for the fuze and gotten results from years before the fuze was developed!

My suggestion is that the cooks write a FAQ for their rom and bury a password for their rom in it. Or maybe just bury it in the WIKI. It is very simple to put a pw on a zip or rar file and by burying said pw in their faq (or the WIKI) it would require people to at least glance at the faq first (or possibly last).

Or we could just all sign an agreement that says I WILL NOT POST STUPID QUESTIONS X10

Dane
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pfcsabre:
Won't work. When I release a ROM, the download is sort of "follow the breadcrumbs" post. I don't usually post it at the first thread, I link it to a release post so users are forced to see the updates/fixes/problems that might have. Even so, users just look for the download link and password, don't care and read the updates on the release post about bug fixes, which results to redundant questions and answers.

EDIT: I think complete rights of the cook on the cooks' release thread would be good, so I voted for that :D

I agree, but having a bold Never and Always is a subconscious advertising strategy, and "Paypal is my friend" sounds like implying a very serious relationship-- that's why I said it was a paraphrase :) (I work as a consultant, and convincing customers by words and presentations is part of my work, LOL). Users that donate would actually seek out donate links-- in xda we know that already :rolleyes:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pandaboyy:
As for me, I think as the forum grow, these problems should be expected. The more member join, the percentage of stupid questions will increase as well.

A problem that I see here is "super long thread"... Sometime it's just impossible to read all the replied posts on 1 thread before posting the question. I personally use the Search Tool to find most of my question, but I saw so many people who don't and yes, it pissed me off from time to time. I'm getting more frustrating to see people actually reply to those stupid post just to increase their rank (number of post). -I admit that I used to do that before-

Perhaps if we remove the number of post, that may help us to eliminate the competition of how many posts we have. Also, give the chefs (or his assistant) the control of his/her thread, so that he can delete all questions that has already been answer in his/her first few posts. And perhaps make a new thread for each release. It's insane to have more than 1000 replies... after 10-20 pages, people will stop reading, don't you think so?

I thought of making a sub-section for each chef... but that's just make the forum heavy :p

These are just my 2 cents...
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] IAMFAN:
Could we agree with a rule of posting roms?

What I mean is:

1. Post: announcement and download links of ROM

2. Post: Tips from the chef

3. Post: Changes and hints

4. Post: Q&A to this ROM (including the possibility for the chef to delete Questions, even stupid ones in following posts to this post #4)

Giving the chefs the possibilty to delete posts could (!) downsize the length of threads.

Just an Idea!

Michael
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
could we what? you already messed up. we can't agree on a damn thing in this place.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] IAMFAN:
Hey rzanology,

I can understand you are p....d, but also a mod could try to find solutions ;-) and I don´t mean a solution banning all noobs because the xda-developers forum became bigger than it started.

you are mod, so decide with the other mods and admins how to handle. As far as I seee here in the posts of the thread, most people are willing to solve the problems, aren´t they.

Saying, it´s already messed up doesn´t help!!!

Greetings

Michael

http://xdaforums.com/member.php?u=286077
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
this is how you handle things...

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3248831&postcount=1779

and as for you....booooy you lucky terry tate has provided me with an early morning laugh. thus, i am happy today. and its pay day. as a result....no harsh treatment is coming your way for your comments.

THAT AINT YO CAKE PHILLIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
a glimor or hope

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3248696&postcount=662

i urge your all to head on over to this post and give this man some merit. sure its what he should have done from the start, but i made it a point to make an example out of him. and he in turned showed no resistance and made an example out of himself....showing us that there is hope!!!!

where is the thank you button?!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] IAMFAN:
can´t see a reason for being treated, wasn´t dumb asking or anything similar. going on a ride with my car now enjoying the wonderful rc3 release.

Have a nice day

Michael
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Xanion:
I'm going to this forum almost every day, checking what's new on the ROM's. Biggest problem with this forum (as with most popular forums) is the amount of messages coming in on the popular ROM's. I try to keep up with the messages to make sure I know what's going on, but sometimes this is not realizable. There are threads that have 50+ new messages within 24hours, what if i'm away for the weekend and don't check for 3 days?

The Chefs should have one or two helpers (so to speak) who gather the important information and put them together on the first page. Then we know that's the place to be to see if things have been discussed yes or no.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] spinecki:
Forum should be more divided into diffrent problems/subforums.

Separate ROMs forum.

Separate Radio forum.

Separate Cooking forum.

Separate Problems forum.

etc. etc.

or there would still be a problem... with everything in one place.

This forum is like one big big area full of people and everyone is shouting about everything. There should be "rooms" for diffrent subjects.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] overjjrk:
Damn, you taught a man to fish! Lol

Really, the ones who survive the tough love and don't b**ch about it have a better chance of making it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] P1Tater:
Once again, I think all of this could be resolved if there were more responsible and mature senior members who helped with the maintenance. All they would have to do is answer questions and help maintain the wiki. Believe it or not, if the wiki was more up to date, I believe that would help out tremendously. If someone asks a moronic question (no need for a search n00b statement) just point their asses to the wiki. However, this only works if the wiki is up to date and the answers are in it.

ie......

Q. How do I security unlock my device?

A. Have you read the wiki?

Q. How do I disable the network proxy?

A. Have you read the wiki?

Q. Can I flash with the SD card?

A. Have you read the wiki?

Q. How do I flash the rom without the RUUwrapper?

A. Have you read the wiki?

& my personal favorite (this one pisses my ass off)

Q. My hardware keys are messed up. How do I fix them?

A. RTFW.