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[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] neva dinova:
I agree with mcmexican, even though my posts arent of the highest quality i try to keep quiet and read. On a side note someone once proposed a one month waiting period before you could post i liked that idea.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] BlueAnt1958:
Wish I had a dollar

roflmao.

Bet all the chefs wished they got a dollar everytime they have seen this posted.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] chp:
I, too, have been around XDA for some time (Wizard for sure; maybe even earlier).

I think as the Windows Mobile-powered smartphones become more and more mainstream, the userbase on XDA definitely changes.

You can see this for certain on the various iPhone forums, since the mainstream appeal brings about everyone from the highly technical user to the new owner, who knows just enough to download and run an EXE.

I don't have a good fix, but perhaps if there was a way that the forum software could be modified so that "good" thread replies are bumped up higher compared to the "dupe question," "off-topic," "help me," replies. I know it can take hours (days?) to go through a 70+ page thread with a low signal-to-noise ratio.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] JFlitt:
I am fairly new too XDA, but I absolutely try to contribute every bit I can with the knowledge that I do have....

Some input from me... I would really enjoy seeing a larger presence in the IRC Channel, I know that many of the "regulars" are always there, but I think it would be a good idea to advertise that more, as it is a great way to people to interact and ask questions without the need to post a reply/thread about it....

I just like IRC tho :)

Long Live XDA

Kewlj1313

:cool:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] sammypwns:
I live in New York
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] NFRCER:
As others members agree :), I couldnt agree more either.

I'll be honest Im not a chef, nor experience techie, im just a Windows Mobile enthusiast.

With that being said, if i cannot contribute to fixing something,

I'll contribute in other ways so that our chefs can be left alone doing wat they do best :p

I must admit that everytime I open the Raphael Sub forum is flooded with the examples given above.

It makes you wanna scream and get out of there as fast as possible.

I know I learned my lesson with the first thread I made xD

I had been lurking in the Kaiser forums mostly, ever since upgrading to the Fuze I have tried to be more productive and try to take the lead role we should all do.

We as members must step up to the plate and serve others as we were once served.

This is a cycle that whenever one of us stops doing, we all tend to fall.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
XDA

I started with the Hermes, spent about 6 weeks just installing cabs then flashed my first ROM. I got burned out providing tech support (though I still do from time to time) on the SCPLF cube and M2D. Trying to support users in ROM threads is mind numbing and frustrating, and I have given up on it. The recent Yota thread run by AlltheWay is a great example of how things that are genuinely good for the entire community can be spoiled.

I have a radical suggestion.

Since the key issue with most newer members is that they lack basic knowledge about ROMs and flashing and do not properly post issues or over post I propose a test be required to be able to post. The issue with member level and number of posts is that members often spam post just to get their count up so they can post more (Sherdog had issues like this a while back, it ruined the forums).

What I propose:

Each forum has a online test associated with it, Dev and hacking being the hardest, ROMs in the middle, accessories easiest or maybe open.

Essentially we create a posting drivers license, if you cannot past the test then you cannot post. Users could either gain knowledge by reading posts or by reviewing some documentation (or perhaps a blend of the two). In addition a user that abuses their license can have it revoked (perhaps 3 warnings by a mod then bam). After a certain period of time the user would have the option to retest (perhaps a more difficult test).

Implementation:

There are several free online tools available that allow for the creation of online tests, many are free, core members of the community could volunteer (I volunteer :D) to create the tests and possibly the "study guides" the guides could either be in the wiki or reference the wiki/key posts.

If we cannot find a free online tool I own a software package (its mine actually) that delivers elearning, I have a demo site already up and I would happily donate it to XDA for use for testing. That said I think there are probably several free or very low cost online solutions that would be better solutions then my product.

Users that have to work for a privilege vs just getting it are much more likely to use it correctly and not abuse it, in addition basic knowledge would eliminate many of the questions being posted.

I'm hoping this approach or another can help get the forums under control, XDA is without doubt one of the greatest online communities around (MS and HTC really should do more to support it) it has been an incalculable benefit to me and I enjoy the sense of community (which is fading), the people I have met on here, and the knowledge I gain from here a great deal.

My 2 cents, LONG LIVE XDA.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] AllTheWay:
Where the F* is ATW?

Scotchua Edit: Changed it to where, since what made no sense at all.

rza edit: i too have a divine love for rza. he drives me in the morning to be who i want to be. i love you rza.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] tyguy:
@AllTheWay

ATW - All the Web -or- Around the Web???

All The Way

At This world

I vote for the first - LOL

Source: The List of Chat Acronyms & Text Message Shorthand

Though Wikipedia doesn't list it
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] adamantypants:
In somewhat defense of the offenders lately it's become really easy to stumble onto these forums. I've seen places like the TiltMobility blogs all the way down to Engadget and even more popular blogs link to these forums. So it's easy to come here. That's how I got here not too long ago.

What's happening is that ROMs are easy to install, smartphones are becoming popular, and these high-end devices meant for the tech savvy are falling into the hands of the people who might not be so inclined to use them. All we/they're asking for is help.

As an aside, the Fuze is my first ever smartphone let alone Windows Mobile device. But as I do in most other forums I always try to find/search the solution first before asking. It's only been a few months now since I've had my device but I've gotten used to looking for regedits beyond what's given on these forums and solving my own problems. I don't think everybody else will be that way though.

At times this forum can be pretty aggressive against newbies; I've seen plenty of times where a member can ask a moderately difficult question only to be shunned by "USE THE SEARCH BUTTON". It takes a lot less time to post a link than for that person to search themself. In terms of letting users becoming acclimated to the forum it's a lot harder here. It seriously took me less time to learn to install Ubuntu on my PS3 than to do some searches on this forum. All I'm saying is maybe be a little more forgiving on the users and spread the knowledge.

Give a man a fish vs teach them to fish.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
aaaaaaaaaawe thanks atw....i love you too man........ i love you too!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] IAMFAN:
For me the xda-developers just go the same way all the great companies or "user based systems" are going. Starting with a few "freaks" knowing what they want and trying to find ot how to solve the problem the xda-developers became a worldwide knowledge base.

From this point it is just a small step to the mass-market-syndrom:

"You don´t need it, because you don´t understand it, but you want it because your neigbour got it!"

Everytime a user from a cooked rom shows another user with a stock rom, what he is able to do with his device, the one with the stock rom wants it also, even if he never experienced problems with his device.

For me e.g., I started with the Wallaby, never had problems with it, just wanted to serch for a few games and apps. Then I found the xda-developers and got addicted. Really fast I found out that there are guys around the world helping each other with the problems of their devices. I was fascinated (still am) !!!

Reading, reading, reading, I think, my first post was after a year of being a registered member. And it was for sure a dumb question ;-) Read it!

The xda-developers are on of the most clicked forums when you search with google, so we have to accept that more and more will jump in and ask: "Can I get this please, I need it!"

Why should the forum be different from the real world? Millions of people are able to join the worldwideweb, so they do, this causes traffic and sometimes crashes like in streets also. Once upon a day there will be a heaven for all developers, till this time you have to accept an idiot bumping in your car from behind ;-)

A consequent Q&A section for each device could (!) help, many things could, but how to tell a noob not to ask dumb questions? It is like trying to tell a one year old kid the difference between popstar and pornstar ;-)

Live with dumb questions, sometimes tell somebody he is stupid also, some people need to hear or read this, it coul (!) stop them.

And Mods: Use the possibility of deleting useless posts!

Thank you and have a nice day!

Michael
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pfcsabre:
I'm still cooking, not sharing though :p

Removing the pressure from

"please fix this and that"

"why is this app not here? I want it cooked..."

"this is faaast ROM! Amost perfect! But there is a problem..."

"I like your ROM but I like the other ROM better because it has this and that..."

makes it enjoyable to cook again :p
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3243111&postcount=656

does this bring a smile to your face mr.mexican??
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aruppenthal:
LMAO Rza you just made my day!

EDIT: and again :)

OH how i love the iron fist . The day of the locked thread is upon us. All rise up and rejoice!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pfcsabre:
See, this is a prime example of what I mean:

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3243159&postcount=1352

LOL
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
lmao!!! MODs can you please ban this rzanology idiot!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
take a look....

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3237564&postcount=1299

perhaps this should be a turning point on xda.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pfcsabre:
even Laurentius? now really...

EDIT: It's so sad that even he said he's quitting some would still post some problems to fix and not even reading his post!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] y2whisper:
good job guys bringing this to light. I will do my best as a "mid level" guy to keep on the 'dumb questions' while pointing out the search function. one thing I ask of you, if you catch me slipping on the questions I ask, be sure to let me know.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
i will be sure to flame you. remember...you asked for it ;)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Chainfire:
If you look at the flag at the top right of this post, you'll see I'm not from the US at all.

That being said, I have read your post and deemed you will have to go. Sorry sir, but your attitude is now so far removed from the average XDA poster that there is just no place for you here. You are simply too helpful. Please leave your access pass at the door, and pick up your complimentary fruit-basket at the reception desk.

:p

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btw, now thinking about it, I know why I don't remember how noob I was when I first joined... it's because I read the forum daily for two years or so (Wizard times) and only registered when I wanted to post KaiserTweak :)

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Seriously though, Leo leaving the cooking game is a sad thing, IMHO he's one of the best cooks. Well luckily I know him and know he'll cook some of us devs custom stuff if we ask for it and he has the time, it's just silly some people don't understand that their attitudes are driving dev's and chef's alike away.

But that's just it. The new XDA users are exactly that: users. They come to get what they want only, and think we have (and want to give them) everything they want on their every whim. No longer is there any respect for the mods, devs, chefs, and the generally helpful. I don't really see a solution for it, though, other then continuously *****slapping them into submission.

However, it has also been shown that punishing people has very little effect, compared to rewarding them. So perhaps a solution like I think someone else already posted: dev & hacking forum and ROM forums of devices perhaps should only be able to posted in after you have 20 posts elsewhere or something. Or perhaps that's a horribly bad idea. Either way it's probably too drastic to ever happen.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] P1Tater:
What's up Chainfire. Haven't seen you much lately. Keep missing you on IRC I guess. Anyways, just wanted to say Hello.

Cheers.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nuke1:
A profound point is made by the OP. However I think the problem is more deeprooted. If most of the newbs did not have XDA to go to, they would not even have a WM phone. The root of the problem is: MS has been peddling its OS which hasn't changed much since

PocketPC 2000

. If people didn't have such a dated OS, then 75% of the related problems wouldn't exist.

The more dated the OS gets, the more newbs we'll see wanting modern features.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] rwertz14:
Member Agreement

Has there been any thought to coming up with a New Member agreement that must be agreed to upon before becoming a member of XDA. I know the forum has rules, but I think there should be a user agreement that explains how the forum works, that asking question before searching will result in being banned, that asking a chef for this and that will result in being banned, if you load additional software and have an issue and look to the chef to solve the problem will result in being banned, that posting non sense will result in being banned. I think this would curtail a lot of what is ruining this forum. It is coming down to all the great chef leaving because they are getting burnt out on the influx of noobs who don't want to search for answers, who expect chef's to cook to their desires and then solve all their problems and it should never come to that. It should be the other way around. Just my thoughts on this.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] duke_stix:
I personally think there should be about 2/3 mods designated to each sub-forum who's basic job is 'cleaning' up the forums headed by a central mod who double checks each mods decisions
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
i strongly disagree. How does Microsoft factor in on any of this. All Microsoft does is release an os build to a OEM. That OEM then turns around and add their crap and "enhacnements." Then the OEM released their garbage to the carrier....then att turns around the fuze-a-fy my phone. Then the chefs on xda try to reverse it all. Where is MS to blame in any of this?

make no mistake....winmo is still the most robust and capable mobile platform there is. No? you don't belive me? look at tf3d...look at point ui. look at omnia's widgets. look at all the UI's in the dev forums. The core of the OS has not change in years, but why should it? the tools, knowledge and ability to make it pretty and functional in todays standards are all there and work well.

still dont agree? look at apple with the mobile me joke. MS has had active sync available to ppc users for years. and it as worked for years. pim management has been on par and above the best for years in ppc. PPC hardware devices has been leading the technology front for years when it comes to specs and design. MS had IE (no matter how bad you think it is) in ppc platforms for years....before people even thought of browsing the web on their pda or phone. windows mobile is still the only os that does true multi tasking....and does it well.

so im not really sure where your blame on ms is coming from? you want to blame someone? blame the chefs. they cater to ever demand from the clowns in their thread. they push to have the newest build of ever software available. they tear the roms down just to get a newer version of xxx.exe. why?

keep it simple stupid. always tell yourself that and you'll never stray far from the purpose. talk to me about a rom kitchen. best thing going xda right now. release a kitchen and go mia. why? the power is in the hand of the user. if it doesnt work....oh well. you cook it...you fix it. who do you cry to? who do you complain to?

how do we fix this problem? scold the chefs. no more bottle feeding. flame the newbies. and fix the god damn search feature.

yes i said it...fix...the...god...damn...search feature!!!! we're all quick to scream SEARCH!!! but no one seems to remember that its broken. but...if you want an answer bad enough...you'll find it.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] Chainfire:
Hey man, indeed... I'm always on IRC though, so if you keep missing me that just means you're never on IRC :P
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] P1Tater:
Nah, I log in say something and noone replies. Or you guys are just ignoring me:eek:
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] nuke1:
I wouldn't blame the chef, and I know you're not exactly saying that. But what I mean is, the core is the same and yes, it's powerful. But innovation in 2000, 2002, 2004 are not innovation in 2009. This was even confirmed by Andy Lees in an interview just 2 or 3 days ago:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10149349-56.html?tag=mncol;title

The OS is very powerful, but the UI stinks, badly. Like I said elsewhere, they should take the Tegra UI, make it more user-friendly (i.e. not having to swirl a ball halfway to access messaging), and use that as the UI for WM6.5 or 7. The Today screen can be left to the OEMs.

Some of the efforts by one single person on this very forum outdo the GUI of MS (just look at htctoucher's gloss). Anyhow /end rant.

I do agree with the OP though, that for our part, we should be more active, rather than making others do things for us.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] jug6ernaut:
Theres an IRC :| i didnt no about this...off to the wiki!

(sorry useless post lol)
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] RattDawg:
Although I have never posted I have been coming to this site for well over a year now. I started out with just downloading cabs for a Sprint Touch to fix or enhance things and have just recently started flashing roms (Att's Fuze really needed it lol).

I feel bad I guess, because I think I should have posted a "Thank You" here and there, but I've never posted a "this is great but..." Any problems I have had I've learned to fix or revert back ect. Search feature is quite a pain on this site and have found that searching an issue directly in Google tends to lead to easier results. So my one suggestion is to find a way to improve "Search".

I can really understand the frustration. The introduction of the iphone has brought a lot of users to the pda market and they want their phones to work out of the box (Razor mentality), and it shows your site growth. Growing pains are a pita.

I can say though that ya all need to keep in mind that there are probably just as many silent folks out there that are really enjoying your work. I am one of them. I think you all do a great job and really have never found a need to say much but I will now THANKS!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
you hear that pfc??? get back to work!!!! lol
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
man.... I'll pay you to have access to your private ROMS (and I'll keep my mouth shut) come on pfc hook a brotha up.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] pfcsabre:
I AM WORKING..!

quit bugging me my boss is passing by every now and then! LOL
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
any comments on the pass test before posting idea? I really think it would eliminate the masses that clutter the forums (they would just be able to download), educate those that have something to contribute, and generally make xda better. It really would not be that hard to implement (hell I'll build the first few, I can cover Hermes, Kaiser, and TP) and could be in place pretty quickly. It would also mean the mods would not have to monitor the forums as much (thread locking, banning, etc would take a lot of time with the number of users that are now on and the number of new users that join all the time).
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
blame the chefs, flame the noobs and ban everyone in between! thats how ya run the site! HOLLA!
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] jug6ernaut:
idk about a test but mayb it be setup where you every member has a rating based off posts and time here at XDA. where if you are a newb say(within a month or 0-30 posts) be required to do a search be you can make a post(like see if the same string is in the search as the title of the post). then after a month or the 30 posts this restriction is taken off.

idk just an idea

o and another thing we could do is a reward system, where when you make a useful post or rom release you get reward points & members can give people reward points for different posts/releases. and this could be used as a ranking system...

again just an idea
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] ramontrotman:
now that we've got a few subject matter experts here....can one of you mild mannered people tell me how to handle this?

http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3244537&postcount=1584
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] moopile:
When you guys were enforcing (before being mods) Dutty's Kaiser threads, I used to read them just for the Slaps, and having Sammy L. Jackson remind people to use Search.

What finally helped on the Dutty's Kaiser forums was when he started the closed beta's. When a ROM was released, it was very stable (thanks to the group of people you listed above + ATW and Dutty).

Anyway, I believe ultimately it should be up to the chef to control his thread with mod's help. Each chef should learn what his limits are and work within them. They may offend some "Noobs", Trolls, or the "Chef, recook your rom just for me because I need _____ function". But those offended can find a new chef. And when they are tired of being offended by all of them, they can learn to cook their own ROM or go buy an Iphone.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] overjjrk:
This was the third time I fell off of my chair laughing while reading through this thread!

Perhaps this thread should be stuck so people know up front how they are to conduct themselves. My god, I know I'll never ask a question without an extensive and comprehensive search.
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] IAMFAN:
I learned that point also
[Touch Pro, Fuze ROM Development] aaronsmckee:
some basic knowledge (ie how to use a reg edit, or advanced config, or edit an .lnk, or.... well you get the idea) would eliminate this question. The user could have found the answer but probably did not know the route (ie its not an issue with pss but simple a change to your key assignment). Now the attitude... well your post was a bit **** :D but I can understand how a mod could get frustrated after a while. Maybe having a mandatory agreement/search review page during sign up would alleviate the issue. I guess my take away is that the question is not neccessarily a bad one, it cluttered up the thread and could have been resolved with some searching, the problem is that the user was posting without a basic knowledge of how the device works. Perhaps users are limited to posting in a general QA forum (kind of what some people have tried to start in multiple forums a stickies).

How about this, first 75 posts you can only post in a QA forum, with naming guidelines (like the diamond themes/software forum) to indicate what your asking about. Only after 75 posts/180 days can you post in other forums.