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[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
New battery performance may be unusual

When your battery is still new (and 20 days is still quite new), it won't perform at maximum capacity and with normal discharge performance - give it time. Additionally, if you are unfamiliar with these devices, they are battery hogs even when the battery isn't new so it'd be worth buying a second or even third battery along with a cradle capable of spare battery recharging if you are planning on lots of use during a day. I've got through about 2.5 batteries in a long day before. If you read your devices manual and search the forums here, there are plenty of guidlines to help you maximise each battery charge. If you do post again, it would help if you provide the specifics of your device (ROM/Radio/SPL etc). The wiki explains how you can find this info out and it's worthwhile reading for all people new to a TyTN II.

Edit: Just seen your new post and the Radio incorporates certain drivers which decide (among many other things) how the CPU resources are used. The more the CPU is used, the higher will be the power consumption. I used to use that Radio when I briefly had Windows Mobile 6.1 on my device and found it's performance (in many respects) to be lacking so it'd be worth checking if there's a newer official ROM from your suppliers website which may include a newer Radio.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] profusion:
sorry I forgot - I have it from 20 days but it is not new!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
In that case maybe the battery is on it's way out (they start doing things like this when they get old as well). If you get a spare or two and carry them around with you, there'll be no worries about running out.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] profusion:
can you advise me that type of battery to buy?

is that ok: ebay link!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Search time for battery info

One of my batteries came bundled with a cradle that recharges both the phone and spare battery, the other spare is a HTC original (through their repair centre in Milton Keynes). Both seem to perform similarly but there are many threads here about battery choices that you can search for and read up on! No one is going to hold your hand and advise you to buy x over y - thats your choice!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] profusion:
Many thanks I will search that treads to read! :)
[XPERIA X1 General] jackson_112:
Ok, I am not sure if we are allowed to advertise here, but the X1 is a fantastic device but the fonts are simply to small for me.

I have decided to sell my device, 2 weeks old and a Vodafone Upgrade, all in immaculate condition. Offers invited before it goes on flea bay.

Many Thanks
[XPERIA X1 General] Dunnam:
Hey dude....u can change the size of the fonts....maybe that helps u^^

start/settings/system/screen/textsize

try that and tell me if it is still to small for u

Greets

Dunnam
[XPERIA X1 General] Bxsteez:
what color and what price are you looking for. I'm thinking about buying a test device so i get more creative with my ROM cooking. Debating on whether to get a Touch HD just to play with it or another xperia. It would be nice to post some pics of the device as well.
[XPERIA X1 General] holdout:
what you're looking for is finger-friendliness, and currently windows mobile is designed for stylus use, though there are applications/tweaks that make menus and buttons bigger.

i do admit the screen on the XPERIA is small and if it was the size of the Touch HD it would have been more feasible for finger-friendliness, but being small makes it look more compact anyway.... like a traditional sony ericsson product.

windows mobile 6.5 is supposed to completely finger-friendly though, if it truly will look like the Zune based on "leaked" screenshots.....
[XPERIA X1 General] dimushor:
what are u asking for your device?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jokerfb:
Hello,

im looking for a better battery for my x1. 3000mah or so.

Thx
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mkouk:
3000!? :eek: yeah good luck with that
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jokerfb:
danke für die geistreiche antwort
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] funkfish:
ja weißt du was du da sagst? ein 3000er akku für einen pocket pc. und der soll auch noch reinpassen? wie gesagt! viel glück bei der suche!
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jokerfb:
ich frage nach einer lösung und nicht nach kommentaren, wenns nichts gibt dann braucht auch nicht zu antworten
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Angelusz:
This is an english forum, use the english language. Unlucky for me, my german is good enough to read all the above (nonsense) posts.

Basically, the thing here is that stupid questions are met with stupid answers. Had you looked around for at least a little bit yourself, you could (and should) have seen that the 1500mAH is already "revolutionary" for batteries of this size.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] jokerfb:
there are no stupid questions - only stupid answers!
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Ganondolf:
i saw a 3000 battery for the nokia n95 for sale. but not sure if it was one of them crap batteries that dont really do what it says
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] v1rone:
I'd hate to be walking down the street and having smoke coming outa my pocket because of one of these batts :eek:
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dingolino:
http://www.pdamax.de/?art_nr=cz-366&sid=

I have this one, not a battery which is sticking to the device, but you can connect it with a normal usb cable for recharging or permanent charging.

I like it for traveling.

At least this is an attempt for a potential answer after all those comments ...:D

dingolino
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Karadenizli:
LOL a 3000mAh battery request? This can only come from a Fenevbahce supporter :):):)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dianotea:
best I've seen is 1800mah on ebay, but that's li-io and not li-po as the original battery.

anyone's tried that 1800mah and can compare the two?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] JohnDoe01:
After reading both your question and your answer, I am not too sure about that :p
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ewok666:
Sorry but I disagree....
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] williamn:
The question was legitimate...everyone with the snarky comments are simply ignorant and misinformed.

Mugen makes large capacity batteries (and are a legit battery maker) but they always require a new battery door since the size is usually 2x as large...For me, I rather have a 2nd battery on hand, or a portable USB charger that I can hook up. A bulky Xperia is no longer a xperia if you ask me...

Mugen example:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&Item=300282850480

I doubt they'll make one for Xperia, but I hope for a slightly higher capacity one but with the same dimensions...

http://www.lionbattery.com
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] achmed20:
thats a half nuclear facility oO

why not just buy 2x 1500mah and conntect them in parallel? :D
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DocMAX:
can anyone suggest a good brand for battery replacement? i bought a cheap one from china and its crap. lasts half as long as original battery...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DocMAX:
what do you think of this one? is it worth a try?

i've heard mugen is a good brand...

http://shop.eten.hu/mugen-power-son...00mah-extended-replacement-battery-p-522.html
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ianl8888:
Well, well ... absolutely excellent !! Thank you for the link :)

Mugen is a good brand from earlier Eten experience and shop.eten.hu is a reliable retailer.

I've been hoping for this to turn up for a few months now :) Purchasing two of them ...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] geejun2:
yeah.. mugen is out with a 3600mAH battery but it sucks cos its so thick!! better buy a 1800mAH as spare will do
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] holoski:
is it legit though as they dont appear on the Mugen website
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Paitor:
looks real

And here is the 3600mAh version to. But to me thats a no! no!
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] theredundant:
sadly its for Sony Erisson not Sony Ericsson (referin to 2nd pic :P)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ipporek:
Looks big. Would get one of these if it were smaller.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] BobAndrews:
http://www.mugen-power-batteries.co...t.php?keywords=xperia&search_in_description=1
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DocMAX:
i think i will order one t(mugen standard size). anyone tried it yet?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ianl8888:
http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=487852
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DocMAX:
i dont understand your post. so is this battery good?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mike-biker:
I have this one (Mugen 1.800mAh). I thing the cabability matches its last. If I use original 1.500mAh, the Xperia lasts approximately one day, with Mugen 1.800mAh cca 30 hours. :)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Just ordered one myself. Can only hope that this is not one that explodes into ones face! This website is not really Mugen and on Mugen Batteries Website, they do NOT list such a battery at all.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ianl8888:
I've been using a Mugen 1800mAH for about 3 weeks now:

1) genuine Mugen

2) resolves the overheating problem with the standard issue 1500mAH. I've had it on the car charger using GPS for field mapping for 8-10 continuous hours for 6 days in a row. Reported battery temp does not rise above 26.1C

3) standby time about 2 days

The next problem is the GOD-awful insensitivity of the X1 to GSM signal. I've used the same SIM card in both the X1 and my backup Polaris, one straight after the other, in exactly the same marginal signal areas. The Polaris easily found sufficient signal to work, while the X1 stayed dumb and stupid. Current radio ROM is 1.11.25.76 - this gives excellent GPS sensitivity and LOUSY GSM reception.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Yeah.... YOU are one of those who 'made' me buy this battery after all. Your praise.... especially since you mention the phone won't get hot/really warm anymore. Because that is my main issue and I definately believe that hot/warming up is "a" cause of the cracks appearing!

But as for Genuine... I don't see that battery offered at mugen themselves. Remember, your website , the one I ordered it too... is NOT Mugen website! Its a company that poses as if they would be Mugen-Batteries, but when you look, they are an Asia Corporation.

In any case, if you say your phone stays cooler now, and it did not yet explode... I will definately try...after all, I ordered it today. Let's hope it won't take 2 weeks to the U.S.of A. ;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] neowkewl:
hmm sounds yummy @ 3000 XD but I've also read the XPERIA distance with the best battery includes of all currently available smartphones

actually my battery enough for 3-5 days from when it was still naked;)

Now 2-3 days .....

but if i look at my brothers iPhone3G.....

xperia = iphonekiller and iphone = batterykiller....
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Well, fist BUMP with those people I ordered from... after they have my money for several days now...they email..."out of stock and won't ship before 20th April..."!

Yeah right, but on their website they make people order right now because of Free shipping...and no mention that they are out of stock! Already bad feeling!
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] harveydent:
Wow, thanks for the heads up. I was just about to order and pay the extra 20 bucks for next day shipping! Good thing I saw your post first.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] dobygot:
got my battery today in the mail from http://www.mugen-power-batteries.com

they also told me the 1800 was out of stock, took about 10 days for me to finally receive it. It was shipped from Hong Kong. I am in Shanghai.

Going to give it an 8 hour charge tonight. Hope i don't wake up to a mini explosion.;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mickliq:
I ordered the 1800mAh battery from the Eten website. Was out of stock for a few days but shipped late last week...so I guess I will get it sometime next week. I hope I have similar good experience.

I haven't even gotten my x1a yet but know I need 1 great battery for all day 3G and an emergency one for > 15 hours. Hopefully I can run the Mugen battery as my standard one.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Okay, UPDATE for me: they show it now shipped on Saturday! So it might take 7-10 days to reach the U.S. of A. and I will report when I received it.

I mean I have no experience with Mugen and HongKong, it just doesn't feel right. And if those batteries would be the 'real' deal, they could easily be more expensive! I hope I don't get some fake crap after all.

My phone gets realy warm to hot when I make phone calls and/or listen to mp3 music for half an hour!!! So let's hope that this larger battery will solve the warm up problem.

Again, I will report as soon as I get it and test it right away.

Regards
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Fulgore69:
Sorry to ask but wich rom are you using?

Because i have the same hot issues only with R1AA but in R2AA less and i really mean it less hot problem...I doesn't really noticed the warm...Only at wi-fi but i think that is normal...

By the way i use R2AA LAM (Latinamerica official from S.E)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
I have the Generic_UK R2AA10 and this is my 5 phone overall. All have the same hot getting issue! Unbranded X1i with different manufacture dates. Latest 08W51.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DOCIOHN:
The 1800mAh (from mugen-power-batteries.com) sound like a real value. Although it would be very interesting if the 1800mAh are true. Does anybody have the equipment to measure the capacity out during charging or discharging?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Hm, interesting question. Anybody knows a program that shows the actual battery specs?
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Bennieficial:
i'm interested in finding out the results from you guys that are buying this mugen battery. keep us posted
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mickliq:
My mugen battery arrived from ETEN very quickly. Unfortunately it beat my x1a, which has been stuck at Canadian customs for a week! It looks like a real mugen battery (Yellow mugen blister pack) but only performance will tell if it lasts longer than the standard 1500 mAh.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Update:

Okay, today I received the 1800 battery finally after 3(!!!) Weeks(!!!). So far, the phone still gets warm when playing music, usig gps/tomtom! If it is as warm as with the stock battery I don't know yet.

About the rest, like power, uptime, etc., I cannot comment yet but will update in a few days.

For me the most important issue was/is the phone getting warm/hot ! And it still does! If it is the same as stock, I don't know yet but will find out soon (have another X1 with stock battery!).

About the battery iteself, I have to say I don't know! It does not state things like 'made in....' which is supposed to be on any real product (doesn't even say anything on the package).

Again, I am going by postings here from members that praise Mugen.... I don't know... the entire battery looks cheap especially if compared directly with the stock one (and that one looks cheap somehow!).

So now I need a program to check if this battery is really 1800 and only the future will show how this battery performs.

One thing is for sure for me, if this phone still gets warm/hot when in use, then I will definately go back to the stock.... to be on the safe side! ;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] Chaosstorm:
that it gets a little hot is normal .. look at your pc that is onstandby idle already 35 degrees (celsius) and my experia was 36 degrees on hottest. so.. its not "that" bad :P (it was 36 after 40+ min using tomtom)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
What, are you an engeneer now? And what pc do YOU have??? Mine is never lower than 40!!!! So lets not compare crap with capp.

And by the way, I don't hold my pc to my cheek... do you?

As for my "testing" so far:

It is holding power for about 4 1/2 hours when running tomtom/gps and playing media player music constantly! This is with the mugen battery after 3 almost empties with recharge (as they suggest in their leaflet). The phone gets still really warm (not hot to the feel - don't know the temperature!).

Right now I am having the stock battery and it gets warmer to hot (like you don't want to stick it to your cheek!). The power lasts for about 4 hours and 10 minutes!

So it will indeed show a little longer lasting power and the phone not getting as warm/hot. But again, will see how this stays for a few more days in use!

Report back then. Regards;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Okay, here is the update :cool:

The test is with each battery full(!), the phones leds don't show loading anymore!

I open tomtom 7 with gps and have it running. Also, I open media player and run my mp3s through the bluetooth headset. Those are the programs running and I don't touch the phone anymore or make phone calls. Nothing else is running but those programs!

The stock battery gets the phone pretty warm almost hot at times. Power lasts over 5 hours. After 5 hours I still have about 10-20% left. I restart after 5 hours and the battery shows 20% after the restart!

The Mugen 1800 battery now, gets the phone pretty warm and a few times close to hot. I know, kinda lame but I doin't know the temp so its subjective!

After 4 hours and 3 minutes (longest!) or 3 hours and 50 minutes.... this battery is dead! Phone shuts off. Drained!

If I find a program that can indeed show the temp of the battery and phone and the detailed power as well as the mAh, then I can get detailed facts.

For me right now, it looks that the stock battery is longer lasting even though its only 1500 compared to the mugen's 1800mAh !!! But as subjective as it gets... it appears to me that with the mugen the phone does not get as hot, at least not for longer periods of time.

I did the last days and into nights these tests and that is what I found.

If anybody can suggest a program, would be great. Also, if anybody gets different results, let us know here.

And last but not least, if anybody gets this 3600 mugen battery, let us know results and how this battery cover that they supply, fits.

Peace and out ;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] c_legaspi:
thanks for the info.

on another note, why not do a retest after a couple weeks for when the new battery gets conditioned.

dont know if that matters but just a thought.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Actually, this testing is 'conditioning' of the battery. Because that is what mugen states with their included leaflet: charge the battery FULL, drain it to almost empty, recharge.... do this 2 to 3 times then its what it is! And those FACTS are now even after doing this more then 10(!) times now!

And that is what I stated... ;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] DOCIOHN:
Hi,

@michaelthemage:	Thanks for your great comparison. It is good to know that ETEN accu packs are a flop.

With „Pocket Battery Analyzer“from wizcode you can export a battery discharge curve to a *.csv. (But the result isn’t very scientific )

http://www.wizcode.com/products/view/pocket_battery_analyzer

There are more apps like this, but I can’t remember.

For playing there is a great source code with explanations. I think it just have to be compiled for running it.

Here is some Source-Code: http://www.codeproject.com/KB/mobile/WiMoPower1.aspx

Regards
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ianl8888:
Use WMMINIBATTERY to test this on both batteries, as I've said in earlier posts.

We may never know the actual temperature, but using this program on both batteries gives an accurate relativity.

BTW, it took the Mugen on my device about 4 days of charge/recharge to settle. Been running over a month now, with the relative temperature settled at 26.4C after 10 hours continuous GPS load while on charge.

I'm getting about 5.5-6 hours on GPS without charge.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] mickliq:
I am also experiencing poorer battery performance from the Mugen vs. stock 1500mAh. I've done about 3 "drain to full charge" cycles. Not sure if it will get better, I am sceptical. I would say the Mugen gets an hour or two less a day (12-13 hrs. vs. 13-14 on the stock battery). It's ok as a backup (considering it cost $35 shipped) but I wanted the Mugen as my primary...
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] michaelthemage:
Yes, same here... I wanted the mugen as the main battery. Not gonna happen now, I will sell it again.

I have now used the batti 2.4 program that shows voltage and temperature of battery. The mugen is 'cooler'! At least by that program! It can have a temperature of below 30C, like 26.x or so but the stock never. The stock with my phone is always over 30C and when it 'feels' like I always say warm to hot, it is about 40-41°C.

When you see that number then it is not much ... but again, I don't know HOW this program is getting this temp without an actual sensor and the battery doesn't feel that hot, its more the back cover which is metal and the top of the phone (camera/volume button side) exactly where the most cracks exist!!!

I really did want that mugen to be better, longer lasting and cooler... but for me at least it is not.

And I don't even want to try that 3600Ah Mugen now because besides it won't probably give double power, it might get even warmer because of this more power and then this thickness and needed back cover... don't like it!

I will try this other battery program now...!

Regards

PS

I don't say as general statement that mugen sucks... for me it does... that is all. Because there are certainly some people who swear mugen is great. I would want to get those batteries... ;)

@ ianl8888:

I use in addition media player with mp3s over bluetooth.... to drain the battery faster. That was to condition the batteries and at the end, if the time with all this running with each of the batteries show one holds for minutes or an hours longer...then that is an even faster result ;)
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] ianl8888:
OK

BTW, I'm not promoting the Mugen brand, there is simply no other OEM choice. Mugen has worked twice now - for my former Eten X500 and now the X1.

But the X1 has lousy phone signal reception in marginal areas. I doubt anything can be done about this, so I've aquired an Acer DX900, which gives infinitely better reception (including UMTS 850Mhz !!) and performs OK. Smaller Storage/RAM of course, but I know how to function with that.
[XPERIA X1 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting] sebring:
Been running the Mugen 1800 for a week or 2 now and doesn't seem much better to me, nothing scientific but still lasting approx 1 day as per stock. One comment I would make though is that on more than one occasion the battery's been showing 25-50% and then suddenly died, phone dead until recharged. Pretty frustrating having no warning. If that continues I'm going back to the stock one.