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[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Meditato:
I know, but a lot of stuff from the Touch series works on the Titans with very little work. It should be fairly easy to put together a Chrome/MStouch interface CAB that'll work on the Titan. All we have to do is wait for a Touch series leak/upgrade.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
Hey trill did you figures out what oem was doing it to you yet.

To every one else Ive been sick as hell lately and feeling much better today, so i got alot of stuff that i wanted to do as far as the M2D, im adding the reg. htc home as well, and some reg edit's that need to be done hopefuly i will have it all done by tonight. But Ill be here to help what I can. and what i can't we'll find out.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] drewcam888:
So people are stating 17mb on startup. Is this with or without M2D? If with has some gotten any numbers without M2D.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
that with m2d it suxs up alot of ram if you use the reg htc home you get about 20-21 mb im working on all of that right now to see if i can bring the ram up any more with m2d
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] drewcam888:
Well I don't use M2D so that is why I wanted to know. So it seems comparable to a DCD if it has 21mb available.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
yea i dont use m2d myself its in there cause of the demand, i will be putting in htc home later on today, right now Im working on m2d to get better ram so hang in there it will be up in a few.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] trillonometry:
i have built a successful beta 4 rom that was just clean and it flashed fine.. but even when i have a successful build OS with some of the oem's i want when I try to flash it ends up getting stuck on my 2nd boot screen forever... i dont know if its just a busted oem or what but im using the same ones i used on my successful beta2
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
Do you know what oem is causing the problam.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] drewcam888:
I bet it is a bad OEM. I recommend to remove all your OEMs then add one at a time till you find the culprit.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] trillonometry:
god what a pain in the as s... ha have you guys seen much of an improvement from beta2 to beta4... is it worth my trouble? my beta 2 is still running pretty smooth... whenever i wanna browse the web i disable my m2d with the m2d dev tool and i havent had a memory error yet with ie8.. any other problems i should be weary about?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
The latest relase is the best if you make a build without m2d you will notice a hugh impovement in mem. Im working on it right now with different pagepool and reg edits.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
if you uncheck TouchFLO in the Start/Settings/Today/Items and load all the

basic 6.5 today stuff, then reset the Phone I get up to 21+MB free at start up and 22+MB free

after running Oxios once, M2D so far seems to take up on avg. 3-4mb, also it seems to depend on the theme

loaded as well .. some takes up to 5+mb!!!.. the Win7 theme only takes 2.5-3mb so I like that one best

plus it looks damm cool/clean!! thats with 3 of the tabs uncheck tho, but yeah without M2D you are looking

at 21-22+MB free .. WM6.5 can run with the best of the best as is!! and it will only get better :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
wow sorry to hear man, hope to keep getting better!! it sux being sick!!

good to hear you are doing much better ..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
I think Beta 6.4 is great. The only issue I have is the GPS (it doesn't work at all). If I reload DCD 4.1.2 and my TomTom software I dont have to select anything, the GPS just works. I hope this is something you are looking into as I would like to continue using the 6.5 build, but I use my GPS all of the time and none of the hacks/adds seem to work for me.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
The GPS works great for all the other software im going to work on tomtom next after i get the m2d fixed.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
Thanks so much...I will keep an eye out for that build and let you know.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mettercomputers:
Here is my 2 cents.

Base beta 4 with alltel carrier oem built in.

14.85 mb free with M2D enabled 19.06 mb without M2D enabled and coldinit in starttup folder.

Delete coldinit from startup folder and

17.46 with M2D enabled 21.96 without M2D

Maybe we could try using Scotts manila 2D oem it seems to use less memory

what do you guys think?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] drewcam888:
What exactly is coldinit? Is it a part of M2D?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
yeah .. I have been looking for a solution for TomTom ... GPS works for Google maps and WM Live ..

but not for TomTom .. I think it has something to do with the direct com4 access TomTom use unlike

Google maps and Live etc..all use the intermediate driver .. once I get my TomTom going I’ll let you know

what needs to be done.. it may just be a registry mod needed .. but I’ll find out..

So yeah GPS WORKS for Google maps and WM Live etc.. just not for TomTom as of yet..

See Post 86: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3236360&postcount=86
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
yea im working right now with scott's m2d it seems alot better
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
x2 .. lol cool deal :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
ill find out
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
yp scott's did a ton of work on that M2D only issue is he put way too much

files in the windows folder .. so its not clean but works lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
Yea i talked to bit serve and he gave me some pointers.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mettercomputers:
there is a much cleaner version in http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=462827 by bitserve if i can help let me know i do have

mms working with alltel
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
yeah bitserve clean it up .. but I think the M2D should still be loaded via ROM img,

instead of CAB install, after loading 1.3.1 or 1.4b the CABs takes a ton of time

to get install and customize .. sometimes my Phone just reset before the CABs

are all install causing me to keep reloading the ROM until the CAB install goes well ..

so yeah not a fan of loading too much big CABs after the ROM load .. so be carful

not to run into the same issue .. I think you can load small/basic stuff that gets updated

often via CAB, but IMO the M2D should be done via rom pkg.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
I got m2d working with about 18.5 mb free so Im going over the reg right now to see what i can come up with its looking like a release is right around the corner.:)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Thats GREAT news!! you da man :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
Okay there's been so much talk about M2D and how much ram it hugs, yet everyone loves the touch flo concept and still want to enjoy big ram. Wouldn't it be fun to have the option of disabling the camera in this rom? That way we could eat our cake and have it. (thinking aloud)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
yea we have used no2chems kernal to do that and there was a bad mem leak, Im going to try to get ahold of no2chem to see what he can do for us.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
I do think it's a good idea to keep the core applications in the ROM. I'm only installing the theme as a CAB. This moves it out of \Windows to speed things up in general (not just with M2D). Also, when changing themes, you're not "overwriting" files that are in the ROM, losing storage space.

However, I didn't know people were having problems with installing the cabs like the phone resetting before they completed. In theory, the long initial install phase should have been worth it in the end.

What's crazy is that those files that I PMd you about that aren't needed are still in my latest 1.3.1 ROM, since I just learned about them, and I'm not using Scott's M2D files any more.

If you want to optimze the Manila 2D images like Scott has, I just discoverd a new tool which I haven't tried yet, called CFC, by someone on this forum. It's a GUI for adobe compressonator, I think. By optimizing images, you can get them to take up about 400KB less space, but I'm not sure if this will directly free up 400KB of memory. However, it looked to me like yours were pretty optimized except for the background image.

I think to free up memory, you need to do some work on your XIP boot image and also disable drivers and services that no one uses, like DCD did.

Wow, my 100th post!. I'm a senior member now.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
Yea im checking into the xip right now and also have to get a fix for tomtom, I basicly used scotts m2d and just del. all the picture stuff and made oem's of a couple of different themes, so far so good. And congrads on senior mem. lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
That's great news, didnt know no2chem is available, seem pretty elusive of late.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
TomTom GPS Works!! on Beta 4

OK... I got GPS working on TomTom as well!!

using Beta 4 Rom with the pre-loaded PPC GPS Router..

1) go to Start/Settings/Connections

2) run HTC GPS Router (it starts up with USB com8 / 57600)

3) press "Enable" .. however to keep your TomTom com4 setting you..

can change that to com4 and then press "Enable" seems to work

both ways ..

4) press start and run TomTom .. thats it..

I still feel a registry change can make work without the need for the

GPS router .. but now ... we got ALL GPS Apps working!!
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mettercomputers:
please leave the ability to access the extended rom i store my must have cabs there and use uc autorun to install them thanks for the great work and all the time.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] vickylife007:
I hate extended rom, guess one man's food.............
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mettercomputers:
extended rom can be a pain but we cannot use it for anything else so why not have it available
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
ok I have hit the bump in the road lol can any one point me in the right dir. on xip editing I have got it extracted and all and able to edit it but how do i port it back to rom.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
I've optimized the dcd XIP boot image even more than he had, which may or may not be exceptional. It seems like there is a lot more information out now than when he did 3.2.6. Anyway, if you need help with the XIP stuff, pm me.

I imagine that GPSOne acts in place of the Windows API, and actually the Qualcomm GPS Intermediate driver is called GPSOne. You likely just need to get this driver installed. There's a package in the DCD 3.2.6 kitchen which I use.

Congrats! I see you just made senior member, too. :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
x2 Welcome to senior member status .. lol :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
The TomTom now sees a GPS device, but I have had it running well over 10 minutes straight and still no satellite lock.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
anything you need to know about XIP Porting..

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=438676
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I got 18.8MB free with WM7 Theme - after reboot .. I only have 9 tabs loaded however ..

they are 3 tabs I don't use at all..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
anyone with beta 4 and TomTom

ok.. download and load this cab.. "GC Verizon aGPS.cab"

from: http://xdaforums.com/showpost.php?p=3189609&postcount=2

once loaded .. reset your device .. and try the HTC GPS Router again,

remember DO NOT exit GPS Router .. it needs to be running ..

Then load TomTom ..

Also this is just a "work-around for now" I am working on a real fix :)
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
att: s10onn2o

s10onn2o I am having a little issue ..

When using "File Explorer"

* multiple files selection is not working ..

e.g. when I try to select (more than one files or folder) multiple selection

does not work, I can only select one file or folder at a time .. check what

oem files are loaded for selection .. or is that a setting issue?

Thanks..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
I think its going to be touchflo probaly has somthing to do with thouch settings
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
IT WORKED. Thank you so much for working on this. Do I have to start GPS Router everytime I want to use my GPS?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
You are very welcome..

yeah but Only when you need to use TomTom .. Google maps and WM Live does not require GPS Router ...

and remember check back for a real fix .. this is only a work-around to get TomTom going..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
OK. I have tried all of the Beta's so far, and now that my TomTom is working I am really enjoying it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] m_reyna_16:
hey there s10onn2o, just so you know, i downloaded the 6.5 kitchen last night and everything was stable just like you said, including memory leaks. now what i did was deleted the task bar from the bar (seems to always make my phone slower) and added some apps to try it out with normal everyday use and regular apps that i/other people use. so here is my experience with the rom after i cooked my custom rom based on the 6.5 beta kitchen

First off, I added a lot of programs that i use. I know that it was quite a bunch but i thought to myself, why make "lite" version if im still going to install them with a cab. I took some pictures so that you can see what apps i installed from the kitchen and which ones i installed manually as cab files. Second, I noticed that memory does leak a lot with all of my apps. After like 6-7 hours of using it regularly, it went down precisely 6.51MB (according to what i got when i did a soft reset without running anything). I uploaded a before and after picture when i did a soft reset after using oxios (NOTE: Keep in mind that the after image is at 14.03 because i used myMobiler using active sync to take the image, making my memory lower). Then I noticed that the "clear storage" icon is just a blank box and that when I clicked on it, nothing happend. This does not bother me as i dont use this, but just wanted to let you know so that for people who do use it will actually be able to. And for the last thing, the dialer, i noticed did not have the "1" button but still when pressed, was able to dial the "1". Also, there is something in the upper right hand corner that seems funny to me. Maybe something that overlaps???

~Mike
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Velvis:
Probably not an issue on the ROM side of things, but after installing the REDFLY utility the phone locks up on soft resets.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
all right guys with the big help from bitserve he has got our xip under lockdown i got 19.3 mb free with m2d running and we got a little more to go so hang in there so far this thing is rocking hard core.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
yeah bitserve .. I think I did post about it .. I remember telling you

TouchFlo did not start up after loading the rom .. if I remember correctly

you ask if I waited for m2d to customize or something .. sorry if I was not

clear .. I did say I did not wait .. but I did not mean myself I meant the

install process did not wait .. it just reset the Phone .. I have been having

the issue off and on from the time you made M2D install as a cab.. the funny

thing is by just re-loading the ROM .. it will eventually install the cabs without

issues .. and without doing anything .. so I think this may be a phone by phone issues

not the ROM itself .. however to avoid it .. large cab should be install via ROM

and still can be done without having files in the window folder..

I'll post up more in your thread... but remember my post when I tried to load 1.3.1 .. had the same issue with 1.4b1
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nkhater:
I had the same issues, but I had a success install when I decided to take a shower and accidentally forgot it booting and performing the first install of M2D, all I had to do is be patient.

Just let it take it "long" time during the first boot after install, and it should work
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
Ah. Yeah, I hadn't understood that it had rebooted on you. I thought you were saying you just didn't feel like waiting. :)

I don't know of a way to install via ROM and get the same effect. I know that you're supposed to be able to move files with provxml after install, but it would take just as long on first boot most likely, and I couldn't get it to work. I don't think I had permissions for my provxml to move files out of windows.

I also think that if the files start in ROM, they'll always be in ROM. Even if you overwrite them, by changing themes, you don't get that storage space back. So basically you are using the storage space for two themes even with only one installed.

I could be wrong on all of this though. I can't say for certain, as windows mobile devel is pretty new to me. I do feel that once I get as many files out of \Windows as possible, that benchmark scores will go up. If not, I'll leave them there.

I don't feel like this necessarily needs to be in my thread, as s10onn2o is working on M2D also. I think this is relevant.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
lol I am very patient :) I did let it run, and I did it over and over until I got it

so yeah I am very patient, the issue was during every first boot as the cab

where installing the Phone would just reset before M2D completes its install.

But yeah I enjoy beta testing etc.. .. and like finding work around :) so I never

gave up until I got it installed lol
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Interesting ..so what are you going to use to benchmark the speed difference?

I do like a very clean \windows folder too .. so yeah do what you can

to keep it that way .. however is the Full M2D not install via CAB including

the themes? or you have the M2D in the ROM and the themes via CAB?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
I found a work-around lol ... by holding down the center button ..

then pressing each files/folder at a time works :)

BTW .. see Attach for the new RUU's .. I made three of them

I like the first one best and the last one #3 anyone building titan rom

with WM6.5 can use it.. no tab credit
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nkhater:
The weirdest thing just happen to me.

I am using an extended battery in my Titan, I use to use the phone all day, pulling Gmail and exchange server emails about 100 emails a day, with some txt and phone calls, mostly email thow, the battery use to last me about a day and a half, but after flashing with 6.5, all of a sudden the battery last almost 3/4 or even 1/2 a day, even when I flashed back to Reloaded 1.3, I am still getting very low battery life.

I will try to flash back with original Sprint Mogul image and test again
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] dhshoangsonvn:
sorry

please, can you made rom wm 6.5 for himalaya, thanks pro. we really need that.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
what radio do you have amd after a flash do u hardreset
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nkhater:
Radio is 3.42.50,

No I did not do any hard reset.

When are we expecting Beta 5?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] nkhater:
Radio is 3.42.50,

No I did not do any hard reset after a flash.

When are we expecting Beta 5?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
you should do a hard reset after any flash, I remeber a while back i had a bad flash and my battery life went to crap, so i reflashed all the way back stock and started over. hope this helps.

as far as beta 5 its not going to happen im going to release the full ver. soon got a couple of bugs and touch up "labing" in the kitchen to do first.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] s10onn2o:
Ok lets play a game lol. I have been trying to find this image in the kitchen and i give up can any one else find it.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] drewcam888:
I cant even distinguish what that picture is you want
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
I noticed that also...just thought it was a bug in the Beta.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] cmf04:
I believe they are the normal symbols on the dialer page (phone, headset, etc) just oversized and behind the dialer.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
If you're using the default titan dialer, it's set here in the SYS\OEMAPPS rgu:

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\ResOver\Bitmaps]

"BaseDll"="HTCPictureRes.dll"

Then, open that file in a resource editor. If you're using a different dialer, then look at that dialer's rgu for the value of this key and open that instead.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] bitserve:
SpbBenchmark

I'm just installing the theme as a CAB. Otherwise, you pretty much lose the benefit of cooking M2D into the ROM, if you don't cook it into the ROM. :) I'm also turning some of the dlls and exes into xip modules, so pretty much have to cook them in.

Neat. I'll check them out.
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] skippyd:
any one having check box issues in 6.5???
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
Flat out testing WM6.5

I'll detail what I was doing during each test .. this is to show anyone that

Use this Rom to feel free to load it up with multiple apps running .. during this

test I never once ran oxios .. in fact I plan to uninstall it .. truly don't see any

major gain with oxios anyways..

there is two main reason why I did this test .. One to see how other roms

WM6.1, DCD4.1, DCD326 etc.. compares to WM6.5, and to find out how

far you can push 6.5 without having apps closing etc..

I was able to run more apps without closing on 6.5 than on 3 different

DCD WM6.1 Rom..

All testing was done on the pre-release Titan 6.5 ROM .. beta 4 should

perform closely as well ..

The highlight of the test was loading up WM6.5 with:

TouchFLO, TomTom, CORE mp4 video, SMS\MMS texting, file explorer, activesync,

and the screen capture program all running perfectly at the same time and only used 80%

of ram, still had 20% ram free keeping all the running apps happy ..

All I have to say it .. Major Thanks to s10onn2o for porting 6.5 to the Titan

Thanks to ALL that help him, major thanks to bitserve for his continues support

as well..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
cool is that a free tool? I'll like to play with it too :) man I'm enjoying all this testing :D

cool .. I'm working on one for your Titan Reloaded .. the two best ROM IMO :D
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] yemil:
hi i am new at this , and love flashing my mogul.

one question , thin WM 6.5 ... the contacts ,are i contacts ? or the regular contacts?

i have many contacts , and found trouble finding them by company so i changed or flashed to an early flashing state , where the contacts program was as the WM 6.1 proffesional

thanks in advance
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
both icontacts and WM contacts is loaded .. and both use the same contact data..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] trillonometry:
for some reason whenever i close programs my phone app pops up.... any reason why??? i removed the htc task manager and added the wktask oem instead as i like it more but i dont know if this is the problem..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] yemil:
hi ..again...

does this version (allready downloading ) has the explorer version as the WM 6.1 profesional?

thanks in advance
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
no it has the latest WM6.5 IE better than all older IE..
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] mr-free:
hmm I have not experience this in the pre-release ROM, so its hard to say

if it was an issue in beta-4 and or issues with the other taskmgn..

can you attach the cab of that taskmgn .. I'll test it .. also what

are the steps needed to reproduce that issue?
[Mogul, XV6800 ROM Development] Screwbal:
Is anyone else having problems getting pocket office to work? I pulled the OEMs from the PPCKitchen application. They are selected in the kitchen, once flashed there's a 'Office Mobile' folder which is empty, another 'Office Mobile (1)' folder also empty (in the programs menu.

When I try to browse to the application in the windows directory they won't start from there either. Did I miss a step?