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[Touch HD General] arcmann:
Helpful tips worked for me!

I just wanted to contribute my experience in case anybody finds it helpful.

I have an original rom (1.14.405.3 WWE R 1.09.25.14). A couple of months after using the device I started to have most of the battery problems mentioned in previous posts. A fully charged battery emptied in standby without 3g, wifi, etc. in less than 10hrs!! Testing and testing and applying some useful tips found a solution that works for me for the last 3-4 days:

- in power mgmt switch the bloody auto backlight off! play with the tips of #43 (thanks a lot custardo01!!)

- NEVER use a usb charger from a PC to fully charge the battery. use either a mains usb charger of a dedicated usb car charger

- ALWAYS document the changes you make in settings or in software (background progs, etc.) so that you may rollback in case something goes wrong. Preferably make changes one by one and test

Now a fully charged battery in standby with 3g enabled goes from 100 to 80% in 1,5 days which is OK I guess.

As a general comment I want to say that I realize that the hd has THE largest screen in the market (therefore power consumption) but I think that htc should pay more attention to the design of the battery. Personally I would not mind if the device was 1-2mm thicker( I don't know if that is possible of course!) if this saved the power issues with this phone. Let's be honest, we may play around a lot with this and other devices here but htc sell as a business phone and for regular non-IT users I think this phone would not be sufficient.

:)
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I don't know what i've done but my battery issue has got better the past few days. I fully charged it and it's lasted 46 hours with 3g on, around 30 minutes of phone calls, 30 minutes of internet browsing and 30 minutes of playing solitaire. Still not great but better than the 10 hours i was getting.

Im sure when i first got this device it was lasting around 3 days with moderate usage. I've set everything to what it was when i got it but can't get anywhere near the 3 days.
[Touch HD General] Bacardi1863:
Hi arcmann,

why do advice to not use the USB cable to charge the HD from a PC/Notebook? Could you plz explain that to me or post a link? :)
[Touch HD General] custardo01:
I think it is to do with info in the thread here particularly post no. 60 and 67.
[Touch HD General] antrak:
I have the same problem, incredibly fast drainage of battery using a 1500 mAh battery (had the standard one before and bought this one to see if there was a difference but there wasn't.) Tried every rom, radio and whatever, doesn't help. Tried charging it through the computer instead of the light net, didn't work. And it's my second HD, first one had it aswell.

Now I've just learned to live with it, monitoring my battery a lot and be sure to put off the HSDPA connection when I'm done surfing :D.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
Looks like i spoke to soon :( Took mine off charge 10 hours ago and it's already down to 45%, i haven't used it much at all. Only sent a text, browsed the internet for 5 minutes and used google maps for 10. I can't learn to live with this, if i can't find a solution i'll be sending it to HTC for repair/replacement.
[Touch HD General] Vanstra:
By turning off the automatic backlight the battery is much better.
[Touch HD General] webspidey:
I have the same problem (battery power dropping really really fast), but i think the problem occur only since i've flashed with Duttys 2.5 MSVC (no change to radio ROM).

I'll try another ROM (maybe older) ... i'll keep you posted ;)
[Touch HD General] arcmann:
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@Bacardi1863: look #60, #67. To tell you the truth I was very fond of those cheap chinese retractable usb chargers only to find out that voltage is usually incorrect which makes the phones not charge properly or take a lot of time to charge.:(

@ ALL: Please experiment with the settings including activesync etc. True, in some cases it may be a fault of the device but it is now about a week and the phone battery is very good!

Again, my config:

- official rom

- disable auto backlight

- experiment with custardo01's #43

- advanced config 3.3 (has power settings)

- use s2u2 (also has power settings)

- disable Beam (consumes power) Settings -> Connections -> Beam (uncheck)

I permanently have the 3g enabled with this config (2 days normal use I now have 61%).

I urge you to try the above and maybe other config or s/w that may suit you before sending your device for repair.

True cooked roms are generally more power consuming especially if the ones with extreme performance. True, active sync consumes power. I do not recommend throttlelock. I think it leaves display open therefore consuming power (not 100% sure about the last one).

cheers.
[Touch HD General] trice1921:
I've tried everything and my battery still drains fast. It was 100% 3 hours ago. Since then i've played solitaire for around 20 minutes and 10 minutes web browsing and its down to 58%. Looks like im going to have to contact HTC for a repair.
[Touch HD General] Arie83:
Bigger Picture?

Hi...

I've been doing some (well...a lot) of reading on this 'battery' problem the last few days, since the last few weeks my experience with the HD is very similar to all problems mentioned here before.

Reading this thread=> http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=474072 about 'charging' problems I started wondering if both problems are related.

To me it all seems like some kind of calibration error since I can't understand how a 'new' battery can loose 10 to 20 % of it's power within minutes of time. Sometimes, just switching it ON is enough to actually see the power decrease like a countdown timer.

Or plain switching off & back on means an actual difference in battery power (it sometimes increases!?)

I also do not understand why a perfectly good adapter sometimes charges the device and sometimes refuses to do so... (while a PC connection does)...rules out a bad connector i would say..

So can anybody with a more specialistic view...well elaborate on what the underlying problem might be here. (is the calibrationchip in the phone, in the battery both?)

Currently i'm using a clean stock 1.56.404.1 (NLD) comming from a stock 1.14 and after the flash my phone seems to charge stable again today...
[Touch HD General] Georgeous2008:
Maybe you should also try installing Lumos, which is a light sensor manager and takes account of the current light conditions. So basically, it's like turning the backlight option off but better and smarter.

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=452790&highlight=lumos
[Touch HD General] antrak:
Well my drainage isn't 'that' bad, I couldn't live with how long your device lasts either. I think my battery is decent now, I can do a full day (have to charge every day) with moderate use, 2 hours of music, web browsing for 1.5-2 hours, lotsaaaa texting and just general playing with the device. It's fine for now. :D
[Touch HD General] JimLin:
Here's my 2 pennies on this problem.

I've not had any charging/battery problems until I was away last week in an area of England (Devon) with little or no mobile network coverage by any provder. I found that when there was no signal at all or very intermittent, the battery level dropped at an alarming rate; from 100% - 0% in a few hours. I charged again and the same thing happened. When I recharged the 3rd time, I set the phone to airplane mode, i.e. everythingphone related switched off and discovered the battery life returned to normal. So some of the problem could be related to the level of network coverage.
[Touch HD General] Volw:
I've noticed when in roaming and/or low coverage areas, turning 3G off seems to solve the battery drain issues. (It's not only on HD, had the same problem with a few SEs).
[Touch HD General] custardo01:
I noticed a similar thing but with Wi-Fi. When I accidentally leave it on and go out on my motor bike it doesn't charge on the bike it discharges. That is with GPS working on the bike at the same time. It works in the car though with a more powerful battery to charge it from. I suppose as you travel along your route it is always searching for a connection. Maybe same with phone network.

You would think it should be able to cope with all that though - not really good enough for the price of the device.
[Touch HD General] :
Even I have noticed this battery drain problem. 1% every 5 min!! :mad: with all but GSM off. (GSM signal is full. Device sleeping). No background processes except HTC default ones.

Also text messaging is one of the costliest on battery.

IMHO screen may not be that bad culprit.. I can read e-books with GSM off for hours with 2-3% battery loss.

When I put a different SIM 1% drop every 3h!!

(But there is no difference in battery consumption between the two SIMs on a Nokia)

Planning to get a new sim from provider.

Anyone else tried this??
[Touch HD General] Georgeous2008:
You most definately got a point there. At least this is a very valid theory to test if in airplane mode the battery behaves normally.
[Touch HD General] Wiggz:
anyone got anymore on this - surely it's not acceptable that the battery drains this much quicker in areas with fluctuating signal strengths?

I'm not sure if that is the case of mine but it might be - it constantly switches from GPRS, to 3G to HSDPA and back at my house.
[Touch HD General] nkrink:
its strange with this HD, i got my HD from 3 weeks and i am havng this problem from 3 days and i cant resolve it, i changed the battery with a new one and nothing happens, it drain in about 24 hours. any one tried to return to the official Rom?
[Touch HD General] Arie83:
Nothing works...

This is my second or third post in this thread.

After mentioning my problems (charging bad, fast drain, blinking amber light, 'jumping' battery level) to HTC Tech Support, my phone -including the battery was picked up for repair and returned after a week with a 'repaired connector' (???) not a 'changed mainboard' as other people mentioned.

And guess what? It took me less than a week to find out all problems started all over again. At this point i am even unable to charge this €500,- phone anymore.

Even after reading a lot about it nobody is able to tell wat exactly is the problem or how to solve it.

I still suppose it's an irreversible calibration error, or a faulty battery.

I'll keep you posted on the next repair!
[Touch HD General] morethansunshine:
I'm having the same problems too :(

I just charged the phone but when I do something else (for like 5-10 minutes), the battery went from 100 to 98% (oops, 97% now) .. Its completely erratic and cant even last a whole day.. What do you suggest I do?
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
There is definetly something iffy going on, maybe fault connectors or bad settings. I don't experience these issues at all with my HD *touch wood

Be sure to turn off 'receive all beams' as that drains the battery.
[Touch HD General] morethansunshine:
Anpther thing that might help: On the task manager, the processes that are taking up the most memory are:

cprog.exe (~8Mb)

gwes.exe (~6Mb)

device.exe (~3Mb)

filesys.exe (~2.5Mb)

shell32.exe (~1.5Mb)

manila.exe (~1Mb)

tmail.exe (528kb)

As for CPU Usage, "Idle process" goes up to 100%

I also have memmaid installed and according to the program, I have

Start, Messaging, SMS/MMS running on the background.

Are all of those things I posted normal-looking to everybody?

Please help.. Its at 85% and I havent even left the house!

UPDATE:

I flashed Dutty's latest rom and the task manager processes are as follows:

cprog.exe (6.8MB)

device.exe (3MB)

gwes.exe (2.6MB)

filesys.exe (2.3MB)

shell32.exe (1.5MB)

services.exe (1.3MB)

manila.exe (~1MB)

those were the changes

UPDATE 2:

I flashed my phone with onkolog's lite rom.. so far so good.. 100% charge in half an hour of standby.. crossing my fingers.

UPDATE 2.1

So far so good.. 3% loss in 1 hour of light use (text messaging and installing new stuff from scratch)
[Touch HD General] andes83:
I've already posted on another thread but i see that this is the original for battery problems i had battery problems too but now they are solved and my battery life is great even with wi-fi using and etc. I can give you a few sugestions that i saw in this forum and helped me out a lot.

First : Turn off Activsync it drains a lot of attery constantly trying to connect to something there is a thread in this forum about how you can do this.

Second : Always watch for the programs installed with Task Manager screen and button locks for example usualy drain a lot of battery cause they are constantly runing.

Third: Set backlight in Power settings to minimum or use Lumus a great program that can adjust your backlight depending on how much light you're getitng (daylight/shade ot no light at all)

Forth:If you still are not happy with your battery life you can try "nueDynamicClock" (version 1 cause the others are not so good) a program that adjusts your processor while device is asleep,with backlight turned off and etc. some say they did a record with this program up to 4 or 6 days without recharging.There is a thread about it here too.

Fifth: Don't recharge from the USB and always turn your device off when recharging cause the battery is better "calibrated" while the device is not runing.

Sixth:Turn off your wi-fi and 3g when you are not using them they drain a lot of power especially 3g when the signal is not good even with the device asleep it keeps searching.

Seventh: Install HD Tweak and SKTools they have some settings you can adjust for power saving.

This helped me a lot i hope it helps you too I use my device a lot and i get almost two days of battery life which is quite better than the 12 hours before that ;)
[Touch HD General] mike.waters:
Sharing some experiences

Hi folks,

Just a few comments.

The standard Touch HD battery consumption is one of the best of any Smartphone on the market. Using standard benchmark scripts, Touch HD lasts nearly 60% longer than iphone, and 40% longer than SE.

Main power consumers (in order) are radio (talking), screen/backlight, GPS, WiFi, B/T.

Power saving tips have all been made in the other posts. It really is worth checking all of these - and don't forget to turn off GPS and WiFi properly once you finish with them. If they are running in the background, they still consume power. Same goes for other radios, although the main 'phone radios have been designed to run very efficiently in standby.

Re calibration. The meter is in the battery. To recalibrate, run the 'phone until completely empty, then recharge completely until full using the mains charger. But note that this also stresses the battery, and will kill it after about 300 such full charges. Much better to charge gently between 20% and 80% only, as this doubles battery life (but makes the meter increasingly inaccurate).

I have B/T and HSPDA/3G running all the time, download emails every hour, make ~30mins 'phone calls per day, and read ebooks/emails about 60 mins per day. My 'phone lasts 72 hours under these conditions, but I aim to recharge few hours each working day via USB to help preserve the battery. If you are experiencing less than 48hrs, either something is running in standby that shouldn't be, or you have a duff battery.
[Touch HD General] mitchello:
Can report the same odd jump in consumption. HD battery life was fine, then all of a sudden it would drain itself flat from 100% sitting on standby in around 6hrs with the screen off, all radios (inc. phone) off, no microSD and freshly hard reset on a standard ROM. Replacement batteries have had no effect.
[Touch HD General] cbreze:
Sorry to read about everybody's battery troubles. My take is it most likely could be 3g related at least a big part of the prob. I have no 3g service on tmobile usa with my hd. My screen is set to brightest, my sync is set to immediate always, I use it all day long charging nightly. It could easily go a day and a half or more. My 3g is turned off. I've read time and time again as we all have that 3g sux battery life big time, especially hunting in and out searching for 3g signal. Sometimes I'm glad I don't even have it. Besides with everybody on 3g sucking their batterys dry I have smooth sailing on a much less cluttered EDGE network.:cool:
[Touch HD General] mitchello:
Don't think so, my battery life was great at first, and I have my phone locked on 3G, so i can't drop back to GPRS/EDGE. Only a few weeks ago it fell off so ridiculously, and no combo of ROMs, radios, SPLs or new batteries has made any difference.
[Touch HD General] cbreze:
Funny how it seems quite a few are now having issues, Wonder if it's a bad batch of batterys. Theres got to be a common denominator here. Sounds like you tried other batteries then also. Same thing? Theres an app that's supposed to track usage on a battery, can't recall the name. Might be able to tell where your juice is going. Sorry, I can't be more help.
[Touch HD General] laguna33p:
How do you turn off 3G??
[Touch HD General] mitchello:
Yeah it started happening all of a sudden with the original battery, and does the exact same thing with two new batteries as well.
[Touch HD General] cbreze:
Go to your phone settings/band and change to gsm instead of auto. Also theres a toggle switch in comm man. for auto/off.
[Touch HD General] cbreze:
All I can say is wow! My battery so far(knock wood)is stellar, actually the best wm battery I've ever used. Previous devices I always had to go 3rd party extended, but I have been very pleasently surprised. This one goes all day on edge speed, no 3g, leaves me power to spare. I use a few selected apps. memmaid, spb shell, tf3d,manila, spb tv, core player, spb key board, spb weather, spb time, tweaks 2k2, running energy ROM 6.5 .....I got my HD about 2 months ago so my battery is that old, maybe or a bit older.
[Touch HD General] mitchello:
I know, the battery life on mine was the best of any 3G WM device I've ever owned too! Was running great before...
[Touch HD General] cbreze:
How old is it, approx. Maybe it is an age thing. I dunno, but I'm a tad concerned mine could go bad as well. If it should show any indication I'll report back.
[Touch HD General] laguna33p:
Hi,

Well I cant see any option to turn off 3G in Comm Manager. In settings-->connections-->adv network I have changed SMS Service to GSM (HSDPA is disabled) but on the taskbar i am still getting a 3G symbol????
[Touch HD General] cbreze:
I think in comm man. The option is to turn off the autofunction of 3g. Did you try that? Then settings>personal>phone>band. Set the top one to gsm. The bottom to auto and if the auto is disabled in comm it might work. Sorry if you tried this already and it didn't help. Ive heard on these forums of an app that also does this. Search for that maybe. Good luck.
[Touch HD General] laguna33p:
thanks cbreze, i changed the setting in band to GSM and the 3G off now.
[Touch HD General] laguna33p:
When I run this I get "This application requires a newer version of the Microsoft .NET Compact Framework........" Any idea where I get this from?
[Touch HD General] Vanstra:
You need to install Microsoft .NET 3.5 Compact framework.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] michel7878:
hi guys, i was wondering if there's a way to add a keyboard input method, i just upgraded to wm 6.1, i would love to have the large keypad diamonds have.. or the numeric pad ass well...

or is there a rom that has those??

Thanks
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] dutchcow:
I think you're looking for this :D You can also try Gullums Artemis rom which includes the diamond keyboard.
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] Freo73:
Try this http://www.resco.net/pocketpc/keyboard/default.asp
[P3300, MDA Compact III ROM Development] michel7878:
THAAAAAANKS... great! just what i was looking for
[Off-topic] scilor:
Hello XDA-Developers,

I have to write something about Bill Gates & Steve Jobs.

For that I need some Polls

Would be nice if you could help me, just vote :)

First Poll:

[22.01 Which Microsoft OS' you like most?]
[Off-topic] lennie:
I made my vote...but if you had windows 7 as a choice it would've been my pick.
[Off-topic] hidden_hunter:
Windows for Workgroups 3.11
[Off-topic] Ather:
My vote goes to XP, the best OS i have ever seen, vista and W-Se7en are the biggest POS ever built :)
[Off-topic] liamhere:
xp for me.....well x64 xp

but having to use vista at home....i miss xp :(
[Off-topic] maati:
What about Windows 7 ?! It's the best OS ever made.
[Off-topic] GWelker62:
Should of had WinNT in that list.
[Off-topic] mr.jaguar:
which version, there were several?

but dos was the best os. nice and stable.. and plenty fast.
[Off-topic] lennie:
if you miss it then dual boot, that should give you your "xp-fix". :)

but if you have a core2 duo or above with 2gb or more memory and a sensible video card vista will run petty nice.

I've gotten so used to vista so when I go over to my friend's house I get pissed because I have to use xp. :) it's the truth, so I think I know what you're going through but in reverse.

on my rig I wouldn't dear desecrate it's inner tubes with xp. I don't mean to start a flame war but I had to say it.

vista is good on up to date hardware, well actually the only things that really needs to upgrade in the system is the video card and memory, even an old p4 would run it well.

I setup my brother's rig with a 939 socket athlon 3500, 2gb mem and an nvidia 8600gt and vista ran smoothly. (and this isn't even up to date hardware)

the key for better vista performance is: add more memory!

does anyone remember when xp just came out and OEMs shipped it with 256mb memory and it ran like molases? and how there was a huge hoopla about it until they started shipping them with 512mb? but in reality the sweet spot for xp was 1gb memory or more. it's the same thing with vista now, people try to run it on 1gb memory when the sweet spot is 2gb or more.

the driver issues was the manufacturers' fault because they sat on their asses until the last minute, but that issue has been ironed out for a while now so that shouldn't be a problem anymore.

I know others have a lot to say about the reason they prefer xp. but it all boils down to a user's preference.

PS: I know there are passionate people here so if anyone is going go reply to my post please leave the flame-throwers at home.
[Off-topic] Rudegar:
worst thing with old nt4 was that one could not reinstall it without a format

so if it required a reinstall you'd best have a full backup of your data
[Off-topic] Confused Stu:
Another vote for Vista. Currently running 64 and 32 versions at home (gaming PC and HTPC), as well as XP (Laptop) and W2K (photoframe) so have lots of experience of each.

Just as Lennie said, so long as Vista has enough RAM to operate it's lovely. I've gotten so used to it's new little shortcuts that I find XP cumbersome now sometimes. Please don't take this as dissing XP, it's still a lovely system, but Vista was built as an improvement on XP and I personally think they succeeded.

Haven't tried W7 yet, guess I probably will if it starts gaming better than Vista.

Again - this is my own opinion and not a salvo in a flame war. If you love XP over Vista, so long as you're talking from experience and not prejudice then fair play to you.
[Off-topic] scilor:
Thank you for your post and answers

I will open a new thread in the day.

But first I need a idea for a poll about Apple Products
[Off-topic] Confused Stu:
Does the hype surrounding all Apple products make you more likely to buy them, or less?

Who do you feel has the control at Apple:

- The engineers

- The consumer research dept

- The marketing dept

Or simply, in your experience did your Apple product live up to your expectations?

I'd be interested to see the answers to those personally.