yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Windows Mobile] adolfotregosa:
errr.. litle problem here with version 9.9 ! , ok with 9.8:S

=====================================

= ervius nbh/nb/payload Dumper =

=====================================

Analyzing...

It's a .NBH File, Dumping it...

Wait... Zz... ZzZ...

Target: D:\blackstone\Nova\OS.nb

Wait... Zz... ZzZ...

NBSplit 2.1rc2

Done!!! ''NBSPLIT.EXE'' executed successfull!!!

Wait... Zz... ZzZ...

ImgfsFromNb 2.1rc2

Done!!! ''IMGFSFROMNB.EXE'' executed successfull!!!

Wait... Zz... ZzZ...

Executing ''IMGFSTODUMP.EXE''.....

Error executing ''IMGFSTODUMP.EXE'' IMGFS.BIN file!!!

unknown error!!!

=====================================

Error dumping nbh/nb/payload File!
[Windows Mobile] anryl:
old style rom

on xp64 if want oldstylerom

error \OEM\DIAMOND\.vm not found

and thats it

i have .vm folder in OEM\DIAMOND any solution :confused:

Header type: FFFFF6FD, Addr: 00135D40

dwNextDataTableOffset: 00000000

dwNextStreamHeaderOffset: 00135D74

ALL DONE!!! new xip.bin created successfull!!!

\OEM\DIAMOND\.vm Folder not present. Exit

No ''SVN'' folders present...

Restored Original config.txt...

Temp config.txt Deleted!!!

ROM Builded successfull!!!

Reenabling all skipped packages.....

All packages Reenabled.....

no bat execution
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
I've seen, lost cecompr_nt.dll into \tools\IMGFS\ folder

try 9.9 fixed version at 1st post!

bye!
[Windows Mobile] Krzysiec:
ver 9.9 finally worked for me ... I tried 9.8 but cooking 6.1 ROM - ERROR ImgfsFromDump.exe poped up. Now 9.9 works correct but ... in compare to 9.7 i noticed that 9.9 consume avaerage 3% more RAM ...
[Windows Mobile] NRGZ28:
Is that REALLY something you need to report ? Who cares ? Jeez... You must be a Diamond user... LOL

p.s. Yeah.. I just saw your signature.. lol You guys really are "RAM obsessed".
[Windows Mobile] blaster00:
There is a new version of osnbtool

OS ROM Partition tool V1.59 By Weisun
[Windows Mobile] hamid reza:
Hello

I ported xip to 21051,

I copied old xip.bin to tools/xip.bin_old and new xip.bin to tools/xip.bin_new

after that i click port it.

and copy sys folder with proper structur to sys 21051

but after flashing my device didn't boot up

I have DiAMOND

Tnx
[Windows Mobile] shark147:
Hi at All

i would like try this Visual Kitchen Tool, but i don't understand how to work...

i have folder: ROM, SYS and OEM in my previus Kitchen

Thanks in advanced for help
[Windows Mobile] anryl:
http://anryl.co.uk/ROM/Page3.html try this for start
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
I put this together for the Raph forum:

[TUT] Sous-Chef's Guide to Da_G's Ervius Visual Kitchen

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=521632

[TUT] Sous-Chef's Guide to XIP Porting in Ervius Visual Kitchen

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=526610

HTH,
[Windows Mobile] shark147:
Thanks so much :)

Thanks so much :)
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
version 10 at 1st post, some updates and little bugs on dump rom solved.
[Windows Mobile] nikitto:
Thanks ervius !

But, as Chanvi said, the new version (also 10) doesn't work with languages other than 0409.

Thanks for your great work.

Best regards !
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
Probably a silly question but just in case ... does this mean we have to re-dump and re-create ROM kitchens?

Used 9.8 to dump my .NBH.

Appreicate all your work Ervius :)
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
absolutelly not!!! :)

@nikitto:

post to me a link to an 040C nbh, so I can check if works or if I have to modify a little the software ;)

bye!
[Windows Mobile] woomg:
Problem with packaging

Hi ervius,

If I build the rom with 0412(Korean) language. It was not work properly.

Of course, Kitchen make the rom successfully, but after flashing the rom it was not work properly. I believe it will be issued from registry.

If I try to build rom with exactly same files, sometimes make proper rom, sometimes not.

So I found something strange point. I have lots of registry(rgu files) contains Korean character and saved as UTF-8 format. But Visualkitchen make a intermediate file named "erviuspackages" in the Tools folder which is ANSI format.

This file make the affect for build process? This file contains invalid characters and sometimes lost the quatation mark for string variable in registry.

Thanks,
[Windows Mobile] woomg:
Additional Problem.

Hi,

First, I very thanks for your great work to lead to new world...

I have some questions.

I have exactly same folder contents except timestamp of folders/files because I copied for testing...^^;

When I try to build the roms, result are something different.

1. Contents are same(checked with WinDiff), only different is folders/files creation date/time(Only SYS folder has different timestamp)

2. Compare the dump folder, os-new.nb and xip.bin are different.(however, I've used same ROM folder), therefore RUU_signed.nbh is different.

3. When I flashing the ROM, work differently.

How can I correct these problem?

Thanks in advance..
[Windows Mobile] dr-jo:
Hello,

Thank you for this tool Ervius.

The version 9.7 works well, for against the version 9.8, 9.9, 10, I have the choice of language for example 040C, the box remains blank so I manually put in the box 040C Lang.

If I click on Create ROM I get an error C:\Kitchen/OEM/Device/OEM_Lang_040C/config.txt. against by the way was before C:\Kitchen/OEM/Device/040C/OEM_Lang_040C

Even if I dump a ROM official and I do not change anything I still have no choice of language, again thank you for this VisualKitchen.

ROM Topaz in French Links 1.39.406.0

Thank you in advance

Excuse my bad English
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
finally bug found and solved into version 10.1 ( * 1.1 * ) posted at 1st post ;)

test it and report!!!

bye!!!
[Windows Mobile] lamalice:
quel sont les paramétre pour un dump sur la rom officiel topaz

What are the parameters for a dump on the official rom topaz

just ?? please many thanks

Device#TOPAZ

RomLang#040C

Version#2.0.00.00

Language#040C

DPI#192

RES#DPI_192_RESH_480_RESV_800

aku5#False

Dev_Id#??

Chunk#??

OS_Id#??

NOSPLIT#??
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
Ervius why pp is ALL THE TIME 6MB? I changed eveything from 6 to 12 ale STILL 6MB pp :mad:
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
Few questions:

What device?

Did you unlock the PP via implantxip or hex edit NK.EXE ?
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
HTC diamond.

Sure I have. The only way I can change pp is pp changer. In 9.8 everything was fine. I was changing the pp value in kitchen_build_rom.bat but now it doesn't work.
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
Assume you're running kitchen 10.1 and you running using implantxip (~246kb) - included in kitchen and/or first post.

I notice the syntax for the line has changed:

..\TOOLS\implantxip -xip xip.bin -payload OS.nb.payload -imgstart %imgstart% -%uldr% -pp %pp% -%nocert%

used to be:

..\TOOLS\implantxip -xip xip.bin -payload OS.nb.payload -imgstart [B]#[/B] -uldr [tryremove] -pp [B]#[/B] -nocert

# = numeric value

[tryremove] = was optional
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
Yes, 10.1. So how can I change pp in the kitchen?
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
Have you tried hard-coding the values (like before) to see if it works?
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
to change

TOOLS\implantxip -xip xip.bin -payload OS.nb.payload -imgstart %imgstart% -%uldr% -pp %pp% -%nocert%

into

TOOLS\implantxip -xip xip.bin -payload OS.nb.payload -imgstart %imgstart% -%uldr% -pp 12 -%nocert%

?
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
Sure, try that ... not sure if you need change the other values yet (ex: nocert).

Let us know if that works.

Cheers,
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
ok, I will check it.

But my suggestion to ervius:

changing such things like pp should be much easier. Editing files every time kitchen is updated is quite strage ;) I don't know why those tools in kitchen doesn't work to change page pool.

EDIT

TOOLS\implantxip -xip xip.bin -payload OS.nb.payload -imgstart imgstart -uldr -pp 12 -nocert

- this one works well
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
maybe you don't use last "kitchen_build_rom.bat" file in \tools folder!
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
I'm using all the newest things like Tools folder and everything else. When you release new version I always change everything.
[Windows Mobile] dr-jo:
Hello Ervius,

Thank you for your update, it works you can choose 040C, thank you ;)

For if I against xip.bin ROM in \ SHARED \ BUILD \ xip.bin or ROM \ SHARED \ BUILD \ xip.bin "xip.bin" I get an error

And if I file the MSXIPKernel ROM build without error. and weighs 10 MB less than V.9.7 the kitchen, but I have not tried if it boot.

Why the error with the xip.bin?

Thank you,
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
this error is by platformrebuilder..... I don't know.
[Windows Mobile] its right:
Could some one upload the links on rapidshare please?

sendspace is blocked on my country.

Thanks.
[Windows Mobile] ivanmmj:
Is there any way to preset the ROM Ver. in the info.txt? Having to write it every time is a little bothersome... maybe it can be set within the SYS build folder?
[Windows Mobile] makeveral:
I agree! Also could it be possible to keep pagepool value when it's changed from new "others" tab?

Btw last version 10.1 is working perfectly!!! thanks a lot ervius :)
[Windows Mobile] ai6908:
Error 80004005

I have Ervius5.3 kitchen (from Anryl) and works great! I want to update this kitchen to 9.7 or higher! So I copy EXT, OEM, SYS, ROM to the new kitchen tools folder, and build ROM! Everything goes great, builds super, and can even boots!

But when it comes to installing files in config_AP.txt, its gives me the above installation error! I just cant seem to figure whats going on! Does anybody have any ideas? Thanks.
[Windows Mobile] gtrab:
same problem here, but in spanish:

"Kitchen stopped responding""

In my case, it was while creating user.hv...

I debugged it to WINDOWS DEP (DEP: "Data Execution Prevention")

Panel de control -> Sistema y manteimiento -> Sistema -> Configuracion avanzada del sistema -> Rendimiento -> Configuracion -> Prevención de ejecución de datos

sucks big time...
[Windows Mobile] dr-jo:
Hello,

Is that with 10.1 you can use the folder MSXipKernel instead of xip.bin ?

The ROM boot ?

Thank you
[Windows Mobile] gtrab:
Da_G you are SOOOO DAMN RIGHT !!

And not only the XIP but SYS too !!

I was experimenting a little with this kitchen and came to the same conclusion as you did last month (nobody noticed it ?? :confused: this is bigger than the man on the moon !!)

I was happy with my little "discovery" until I sarched this thread for "port xip msxipkernel" and found your post from one month ago, so I realized I had only found the "pee pot's blue rim" :p :p

AFTER BEING USING SO MANY XIP PORTING METHODS,

THIS IS POSITIVELY BY FAR THE EASIEST, SIMPLEST, FASTEST DUMB/NOOB-PROOF WAY TO PORT SYSs AND XIPs !!!

:D

You bet it does ;)

Same goes for SYS
[Windows Mobile] dr-jo:
Yes, I have tested it also folder MSXipKernel, the boot ;) Thanks
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
"Unlocking kitchen folder

'Error unlocking Folder!

Error

Error creating hives files"

This is what is written at the end of the cooking... what does it mean? I also noticed some strange behavior of my ROM. Some things are enable in the kitchen but doesn't work in the ROM as the were working before...
[Windows Mobile] gtrab:
My problem only happens in DEP-ENABLED MACHINES (it's hardware-enabled in the processor)

WINDOWS DEP: "Data Execution Prevention"

THIS ONE is guilty of the infamous "Kitchen stopped responding"" message

NOTICE: IT ONLY HAPPENS WHEN I CHECK "OLD STYE ROM!"

Any word on this ervius ??
[Windows Mobile] hilaireg:
Does it still happen if you add the kichen EXE to the DEP exception list in Windows?

WinXIP -> My Computer -> Properties -> Advanced -> Performance, Settings -> DEP

Can't recall off the top where that is in Vista.

HTH,

PS: You may need to do the same in your Anti-Virus.
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
I disabled my anyvirus, I add this exception in DEP (win7 acctually) and this message still occured. It doesn't stop the kitchen, after this I have:

"(...)

'Error unlocking folder...

Error

Error creating hives files

Executing kitchen_build_rom.bat... wait

No "SVN" folders present...

Restored Oryginal config.txt

Temp config.txt Deleted!!!

ROM Builded successfull!!!"
[Windows Mobile] gtrab:
DEP sucks... ervius plase HELP

DEP is a piece of sh!zz

it blocks all_packges_to_one too

TO ME, THIS ONL HAPENS WHEN "use old style ROM !" IS ENABLED
[Windows Mobile] Lokatho:
Disabled DEP in Win Vista x64 but it still won't work, is this because it's a hardware feature in the proc?
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
I have to investigater, but I never had Vista on my pc..., so is real hard for me understand.
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
ervius, just tell me if

"'Error unlocking folder...

Error

Error creating hives files"

is sth to be warried about? or it's not important?
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
yes, is impoerant, and I update version to 10.2 (1.2) at first post, clicking on "other" button, you can choice if unlock it or not ( the choice is parmanent, saved into erviuskitchen.ini"!) and some important bugs solved on "editor" and other important bugs solved on searching structures, duplicate files.

at 1st post, 10.2 version.

try it and report if work well now ;)

bye!
[Windows Mobile] anryl:
found my errors :D OLD STYLE ROM

VM in SYS needs to be removed :D

ROM in SYS vas empty :D

but still not booting would be perfect if creating xip from MSXIPKERNAL AND OEMXIPKERNEL not xip.bin cause difficult to get one working :rolleyes:
[Windows Mobile] spocky12:
Thanks, no more check on files that are not included.

But now, an exception occurs, that didn't occur with previous versions. (I don't think it's releated to disabled packages because even with all packages enabled, it still crashes).

************** Exception Text **************
System.ArgumentException: Empty file name is not legal.
Parameter name: sourceFileName
at System.IO.File.InternalCopy(String sourceFileName, String destFileName, Boolean overwrite)
at H5S9k18.AF2w3.�)�y�()
at H5S9k18.AF2w3.�(n�cx0�23���bhm���5�jom���p2(Object , EventArgs )
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mevent)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ButtonBase.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Button.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)
[Windows Mobile] tonio94:
issue with panosha 2.4

I got it working with the last stock ROM but I have an issue with the Panosha 2.4. The dump seems to be ok but when building :

When I have a look at the different folders of the kitchen, I can only found a single boot.rgu in D:\erviuskitchen_WWE_ITA_GER_Prerelease\OEM\COMMON\OEMXIPKernel

Any idea ?

PS : I'm using kitchen rev 8
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
maybe, as log, it tryes to copy an empty (non esisting!) file, I cannot check, newer appen that, can you share your kitchen with me in pm??? so, I can debug by visualstudio and retrieve the exact error???

bye!
[Windows Mobile] Ameet:
hey ervius.. any way to redump my own cooked rom? roms cooked with your kitchen are not dumpable :(

the reason why i'm asking is, i used to follow the old structure of cooking roms before bepe's wonderful kitchen. now since i already have the imgfs files (in old structure) your rebuilder does create the folders but the structure is not the same (i mean, the 0409 and files are not created) and so the kitchen doesnt cook the packages in ext folder :(
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
ext folder is abnormal,

you have to insert into \ext folder, first a group folder and finally the package...

example, you have regedit package (ported to new format with my ext_package_builder!!!)

so, you have ext\ folder

create a subfolder called utility\, and inside you put regedit package, so you'll have:

ext\utility\regedit

into regedit\ you'll have:

app.reg, _only_premium app.dat files and files\ subfolder:

this is all subfolder for ext packages, in this case:

\ext\utility\regedit\files\ (all files necessary for ragedit package!!!)

I'll attack some packages of mine for example ;)

try the app to build packages from old ones....

here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/0uae5b

and...

some of my old packages restructured all included into "\EXT" example folder!!!

here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/z5w4jz

bye!!!
[Windows Mobile] Ameet:
What I'm trying to say here is that if I drag and drop the whole kitchen on your rebuilder tool, it only renames the package folders and moves it into EXT folder directly. Doesnt do anything to OEM & SYS. Like creating the 0409/files folders and moving the lang files in it :( So I tried to dump my own ROM with your nb_deprotector but it stays protected :(

I'm attaching my package folder as example in old structure. Move this on your tool and see for yourself :(
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
yes, you're true, little bug, try this version v3 ;)

here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/aw07yc

bye!!!
[Windows Mobile] Ameet:
But now what does this do? :confused: I dragged and dropped the whole kitchen folder (Bepe's BASIC_RK) with the OEM, SYS & ROM, EXT foldes inside. This file moved all the packages to EXT and converted the OEM & SYS folders to app.reg and files :(

Didnt create all the new structures needed by your kitchen :( So I cant select the Lang in your kitchen and cant cook
[Windows Mobile] itje:
yeah the same happens to me. I need to manually set up the sys and oem folder with seperate lang folders
[Windows Mobile] Ameet:
Yes. Thats what I'm talking of :D Can you up your empty structured folder, so we can follow the same thing :)
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
you don't need to do nothing, only need a rom to dump with my visualkitchen ,and external personal package to restructire one step one or all together (all in same forder) by ext_package_extractor, seems that you are little confused about!
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
@ spocky12:

download and try version 1.0 of visualkitchen, it was an error reading "config.txt", I explain better.....

if you have a package with a cab for example, and want execute it by "config.txt", you can add into package\files\, a file called "add2config.txt", inserting a string that is the command to include into "config.txt" (can appen that you must insert into it....!)

so, config.txt is backupped, and populated, if present with new commands, like:

cab: \xxx\xxxxx.cab

XML:\xxx\xxxx.provxml

ecc.....

all automatically, and after rom builded, original config.txt is restored, ready to be populated with other packages that have inside strings included into "add2config.txt" file, a good trick, tested on old rom, but newer published ;)

so, in your rom there isn't a file called "config.txt", so when it tryed to copy it into \tool folder, to backup it, an error appened, now if the file not present, visualkitchen create new empty ;)

try it!!!

bye!!!, for all others, "ext_packages_builder", is updated, and can restructure a \dump folder that has inside \OEM and \SYS folder created by bepe's packagebuilder.exe, only an \oem folder (whit all packages inside, also builded by packagebuilder), a single old style package, or a list of old packages, included into unique folder that have to be passed to my ext_packages_builder...

download it here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/182czk

while for version 1.0 of visualkitchen, at 1st post!!!

bye!!!
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
at 1st post version 1.0 REVISIONED!!!

now the visualkitchen checks only for ".dll" modules and files that want overwrite same, and only if they are real dlls, not only images collections (they infact don't have Relocation table inside, so platformrebuilde don't need to reallocate them and delete relocation table inside!)

try this version , then!!!

P.S.: is not easy for me make debug on an application not made by me (platformrebuilder), so step by step, all us can try to find what works well, and what not on... ;)

bye!!!
[Windows Mobile] Ameet:
The point that we are trying to make is that although the rebuilder works well for the external packages, dragging and dropping the OEM & sYS doesnt make the right structure :( like the 0409 & COMMON folders and all. It only combines the OEMDrivers files and modules in one folder with the app.reg file. Now what happens is that most of us are recooking the all ready ROMs and files. Dumping our ROMs is not possible coz they might be protected and its a waste of time to re package everytime we update something

Will check and see what it does or means to do :)
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
I post an example with "add2config.txt" inside, the line into, will be overwritten into \OEM\04xx\ExtendedPkg\config.txt

http://www.sendspace.com/file/kwq90t

bye!!!
[Windows Mobile] itje:
sorry didnt see this.

If you want I can ofcourse do this, but ervius changes so much and so fast :D that I guess this is... or will be solved soon.
[Windows Mobile] Ameet:
No problem brother :) I think ervius has already solved it out in his last revision. Will check it up tonight ;)

Hey Ervius. The rev_5 of your rebuilder works a charm. just re packaged my old ROM folders with your tool and cooked for me. Worked well, just like old time. Thanks ;)
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
version *1.2* at 1st post

some minor updates.....
[Windows Mobile] garymeg:
Creating EXT packages from cabs or existing packages

Hi Have i missed something, buti have loads of packages created for the old type kitchens and would like to convert to the new ext type kitchen, is there sone sort of batch converter that takes the old sys and oem folders and converts to the new type of ext folders? i have part built roms on my hd and would like to use this kitchen to build new roms with parts out the old roms

thanks and sorry again if i missed it while reading the thread, you know what its like speed reading pages of a thread
[Windows Mobile] RideTheTube:
First thanks for great work.

But for me the xip port is not working and i dont know why.

At first i get the old xip.bin from my payload. Then i put the new XIP.bin into the folder ...Desktop\erviuskitchen_WWE_ITA_GER_Prerelease\TOOLS\xip.bin_new and if i click on port it!!! the system crashs

Here is the error message:

[img=http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/bvjoq2ux/thumb/1.jpg]

[img=http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/fsb8xgqm/thumb/2.jpg]

[img=http://img3.imagebanana.com/img/cyeqjqk/thumb/Screen00266.jpg]

Thx for helping me out
[Windows Mobile] l3v5y:
Device#TOPAZ

RomLang#040C

Version#2.0.00.00

Language#040C

DPI#192

RES#DPI_192_RESH_480_RESV_800

aku5#False

Dev_Id#TOPA*****

Chunk#64

OS_Id#0x400

NOSPLIT#False

Should be fine.
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
ervius, if I select "nocert" and set ..\TOOLS\implantxip -xip xip.bin -payload OS.nb.payload -imgstart %imgstart% -%uldr% -pp 12 -nocert

then I don't have to install SDKcert?

EDIT:

The same error:

Unlocking kitchen folder.....

'Error unlocking Folder!

Error

Error creating hives files

Executing kitchen_build_rom.bat... wait
[Windows Mobile] lamalice:
Thank a lot
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
This was on Windows 7 build 7229. I checked on another notebook with XP and the same error:

Unlocking kitchen folder.....

'Error unlocking Folder!

Error

Error creating hives files

Executing kitchen_build_rom.bat... wait

9.8 is the last working one correctly
[Windows Mobile] ervius:
is not possible to have error on unlock if you deselect it!
[Windows Mobile] mike1986.:
So I have to check this option or leave it unchecked? I tested it witch checked.
[Windows Mobile] davdaud:
Got Error with XipporterEx

Hi Ervius,

First of all, great for ur tools. It really much helps.

I got this error when try to "Port IT!!!" from XipporterEx.

Runtime Error!
Program: rebuilder.exe
This app has requested the Runtime...

This runtime error occurred on all version of visual kitchen (now use from ur latest release 10.2).

I had installed Microsoft Visual C++ 2008 Redistributable Package, disable all security and antivirus apps..but it does no impact. :(

Need advice. Thanks in advance.

Once again, bravo to u ervius...:)