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[Touch HD Accessories] mooro1973:
O.K. Peeps, after not installing clear coat because of its poor coverage, and after getting exasperated with i.s. because of the white screen edge issue, I ordered the "clear protector" from ebay. This comes with seperate screen shield, and so avoids those installation issues. The material seems slightly harder than the i.s. equivalent - which had "pitted" from use of the stylus. The only issue I have had is the inability to stick the top edge of the back shield effectively. I had the same problem with the i.s. I feel this is a design fault - they should make the shield for the top edge come down slightly, instead of the back going up slightly, if that makes sense. Overall though pretty good.

However I received a set of three Boxwave protectors today, and though I didn't mind the clear protector screen shield, would rather have a slightly clearer and harder surface. Wow! The boxwave is easy to put on and looks great. As a tip, when applying run a hot tap and get the room steamy, stops dust floating around. I have managed installation with only one ginger hair stuck beneath the shield ( shaving debris ).

Pretty happy with my protection now. Clear Protector gives I would say 98% coverage, doesn't cover the usb arear, and small areas at the corners. However it loses marks as despite hours of trying I still can't get those back top edges to stick properly. I'm gonna shoot clear protector an email and see if I can't get a replacement.

Boxwave 10/10.

If the sticking issue was addressed, this would be the perfect protection solution, imho.

A
[Touch HD Accessories] sna:
clear protector over IS?

what do you mean it had a separate screen shield? does it mean for the front, there are 2 pieces (1 for screen and 1 for area around screen)? Any orange peel effect? So overall you would recommend clear protector over IS?
[Touch HD Accessories] mooro1973:
Yes there are two pieces for the front.

Less orange peel.

After a couple of weeks of being in a silicon case, and a little saliva (!) the back edges have also imrpoved.

It is far better than i.s.
[Touch HD Accessories] jacare:
Hi

Can you post some pictures of Clear Protector? I've ordered and applied I.S. but like almost everyone I'm really disappointed! :mad:
[Touch HD Accessories] Schooleydoo:
Good to hear, have ordered.
[Shift General] samstables:
Just had an email from them... half price apparently!

http://www.expansys.com/d.aspx?i=177867&partner=uknews

Limited numbers of course and we're only allowed 2 each...!!!
[Shift General] fergusstrachan:
I've not followed any Shift discussion fora few months, but am interested to see what people here think...

Does £500 represent good value for this thing, given all the advances you guys seem to have made?

Ferg.
[Shift General] samstables:
Well I was impressed, as that's now only a bit more than I paid for a second hand (though not used) Italian Shift I bought on Ebay... but £499 for something that you have to do so much to do make it usable is a bit of laugh really. I can't believe Expansys was selling ANY at £949 :)

I bought one as I love HTC and have had their devices for years now and wanted an UMPC so I could always carry my work with me (paid employment type work as well as university degree coursework which includes some programming and maths software that needs a full PC). Before I went for the Shift, I thought I'd try some with a smaller form factor as the screen size seemed excessive for my needs, but I was wrong! I tried the OQO 01+ (WAY TOO SMALL and rubbish keyboard) and also a Vaio U390 (very expensive and very pretty but again keyboard too small for me and was surprisingly awkward and uncomfortable to use). Then I bought a Shift and have been fiddling to make it as good as possible ever since!

Am really hoping for SD access from WinMo side, the phone wouldn't be useful for me but just having a decent amount of memory in WinMo would mean I can use the Windows side less for email and calendar type functions and actually make good use of the GPS with my TomTom software.

Having said that I have a car mount and cigarette lighter charger so it's only when I'm on the train that I have power problems (when I don't need SatNav anyway!) so actually I don't even need the SD access, but it'd be nice ;)

So yes, it has lots going for it, so long as you don't mind reinstalling both operating systems provided on it and not wanting to ever be too far from mains power! :D
[Shift General] i00:
WHAT !! according to google thats $1095.55613 Australian!

Here I paid $712.03 AUD (324.312884 GPB) - yes it was new (http://www.google.com.au/search?cli...3+aud+in+gbp&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8)
[Shift General] FOOFTR:
Where on earth did you buy a new HTC Shift for $700 AUD? Back of a truck bargain was it :)
[Shift General] i00:
thats how much they are from cell-com - but i have since looked elsewhere and the going price seems to be around $850 - $950 AUD :(
[Shift General] FOOFTR:
Try $1300 AUD...standard price....
[Shift General] i00:
http://www.expansys.com.au/p.aspx?i=157607

2 second search on google 924.99 aud
[Shift General] i00:
and there are a few places doing them for 895 aud

http://www.pressdigital.com.au/mobile-tablet-ultra-mobile/shift-umpc-clearance-sale-p-5288.html

http://www.calculatorking.com.au/product_info.php?products_id=1216
[Shift General] Scrtcwlvl:
It seems both of those sellers only ship to Australian addresses. =/

It is a great price and I wish I could ship it from there to the US, sadly this does not seem to be an option.
[Shift General] apoparis:
I want to buy the shift (the ROM which enables phone is very close now..).

The price of the australian expansys is just great.I couldn't believe it!

But I live in Europe.

i) is shipping from au possible / does it cost much?

ii) will toll taxes be huge?

iii) can the "australian" shift work in eu? I mean GSM or anything other.

:confused::confused::confused:
[Shift General] PressDigital:
Shift Pricing

Apoparis,

The www.pressdigital.com.au units are genuine HTC Australia stock - and as a local HTC dealer, are not allowed to be exported (at least there's no warranty if they're exported!).. But if you're REALLY keen can get one picked up via Fedex or TNT from one of the local pickup points (eg Press Digital allow collection from Pymble) - Then you're onto a winner.

Given HTC internationally are clearing the line, the "good deals" should be available from all the HTC dealers - BUT there's virtually none left anywhere.

Have fun!

Chuck
[Touch 3G General] blackaos:
Can someone post some tips to get a better battery performance?

I have my Touch 3G less then a week ago and the battery is during only 1.5 days with SMS and few more things... :rolleyes:

Thanks. ;)
[Touch 3G General] rullz:
what connections do you have turned on all day? i usually disable wireless lan and data connections when i dont need them, and that saves me some battery.

also set the backlight options so that the light fades out when your not using your Jade.
[Touch 3G General] SlappyHours:
Avoid:

- WLAN (especially the high-power mode)

- Bluetooth on all the time

- High CPU load (like games, etc)

- Display (the brighter the higher the power consumtion)
[Touch 3G General] blackaos:
I got them all turned off and disabled too the screen auto-adjust option and put the brightness at 1/3.

Now I got these times:

Standby: 40.5 h

Conversation: 0 h

Utilization: 4:39 h (most of the time with SMS)

And 1/5 of the battery. I think that isn't too much. :rolleyes:

The battery was charged only two times.
[Touch 3G General] pygmalion:
Maybe is something wrong with your battery, I dont know. My battery lasts 3 days and I use my Touch 3G mostly for conversations.
[Touch 3G General] blackaos:
I hope not. :(

It seems that the touchscreen spends too much battery while writing SMS!
[Touch 3G General] blackaos:
I think I can see these options only when I've unchecked this box, the brightness with battery and external alimentation. ;)
[Touch 3G General] azahidi:
Jade is supposed to be the best in low power usage and lasting battery power.

This is my battery performance.

1) Normal daily calls (about 20) and SMS (about 20) - last 3.5 days without charging (still about 5% left)

2) Use GPS for about 30 mins - drains about 5% of the battery

3) Use Wi-Fi for about 60 mins - drains about 5 % of the battery.

(battery % indication using ArielBattery)

Your battery probably is one of those that fails the QA level but sneak pass the QA team. You should get a replacement.
[Touch 3G General] uterrorista:
Explain that better.

My battery runs out in 2 days.

Has there been a problem with Jade's batteries?
[Touch 3G General] murda187:
Mine is new from last week:

- 24 standby

- 8 min talking

- 30 SMS

- 7u45min phone usage.
[Touch 3G General] blackaos:
Can you tell me more about that? :rolleyes:
[Touch 3G General] fenikso:
Switch to Flight Mode during night ;).

I noticed that after a few charges battery seems to last longer :)

Also have a look at http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=463204
[Touch 3G General] lexx2009:
I have my 3G for over two weeks now. My battery also lasts for 1,5 days.

For example:

standby:34,6h

talk:208min

device usage: 2h,55min

I use bluetooth connection for my car-kit.:confused:
[Touch 3G General] Heiko123:
Hello,

is a problem with the sd-card.

You can testing: remove the sd-card and you have standby 200h !!

Bye

Heiko
[Touch 3G General] haree:
need some help pls

hi

i just bought my jade 3 days back and i want to change the SMS view from thread view to regular on my old gene i was doing this by using advanced confugrator but it does not work on this mobile its asking me to upgrade my .net

pls advise

1.how do i get the updated .net for my mobile

2.how to change the view of SMS with existing set up

kindly advise thanks in advance
[Touch 3G General] Heiko123:
What is the impact to battery performance ?
[Touch 3G General] WoollyBully:
I've just got back from a holiday in France where I had consistant 3G/HSDPA coverage and got 96hrs Standby, 16min Talktime (Roaming keeps calls short!) and 4.5hrs Usage. This is about double my normal performance at home where the phone spends most of its time on (2.5) GSM. Its obvious that these phones are optimised for 3G over the older GSM system, as at home I get poor 3G reception. These figures are still far short of what is advertised in the spec on the HTC website!

To those who've just bought a new phone, the battery does improve with a few charge/discharge cycles but not a lot! Would be interested in hearing more about the SD card causing drainage and marginal battery performance caused by sub-standard batteries.

Woolly
[Touch 3G General] faizalhacker:
mine can last for 5 to 6 days if only use wifi for 10 mins...
[Touch 3G General] MvBoe:
See this for solution (German):

http://www.pocketpc.ch/htc-touch-3g/46968-gesendete-sms-auch-im-posteingang.html#post318350
[Touch HD General] yves.alexis:
Which version of which GPS software works on the Touch HD ? i used to use the Miomap and IGo8 on the Touch Cruise but cannot get them to work.

Perhaps with a tweak ?

thanks, yves
[Touch HD General] johnpatcher:
Just search the forum.

There are threads for iGO8, TomTom and Navigon. All of them work on the HTC Touch HD (with some tweaks).
[Touch HD General] Cheesy Dave:
http://www.66.com/route66/index.php?cid=UK&act=1&prodid=5723 works without tweaks.
[Touch HD General] loadme:
iGO works but is not really useable in my opinion

there is no "programm close" button in expert mode, only one in simple mode.

program nearly never really gets closed by command.

voice from the navigation continues in programm-volume-setting, even after you are back in touchFlow and used task manager to stop the program.

it still runs and runs ..

a next problem is the standby mode.

you cant set it up, that while iGO is active, standby wont happen.

at the moment, you start navigation, wait some seconds without doing anything, but listening and the HD drops in standby.

and NO i dont want to set new windows standby settings everytime i want to use a navigation tool :/
[Touch HD General] Guru Meditation:
I believe you can get them all working with the right tweaks.

I've used TomTom for years, without any problem. Currently using v7.910 on my Touch HD and it looks nice.

For fun I also downloaded Navigon (there's a two week free trial with full functionality) and with the help of a couple of xml files have it running. Different look and feel to Tom Tom but I like it. Probably worth a look for the two week free trial if nothing else.

Have seen iGo8 and I must say I like the look of it. Have seen a thread with details of a tweak, though that may have been for an earlier release.

Currently waiting for my TomTom services to run out (speed cameras and traffic) and then I may switch. The UI looks fantastic, but have to justify the cost to the missus .....
[Touch HD General] johnpatcher:
I don't know what you have messed up, but for me it works just fine. Not a single "bug" you mentioned has occured, maybe you are just using the wrong version / configuration.

I had also some problems in the beginning (dropping the gps), but after setting up the right configuration it works just fine for me now.
[Touch HD General] michael_r:
You are correct, it works fine. However, occasional GPS drop does happen, and, from what I understand, it happens with all softwares, not just IGO. I would also be curious to know what configuration could possible effect GPS dropping issue?

Thanks
[Touch HD General] johnpatcher:
For me it was the wrong baud rate. It must be set to 9600. As I was using GPSGate I had to change the baud rate within GPSGate and not in iGO8.
[Touch HD General] ikkezelf1:
Kinda strange that you are incapable of setting up a navigation software like igo on the Touch HD.

I myself only had to set the resolution and voila, all worked perfectly.

All the so called 'failures' are entirely untrue from my point of view.

Cause they work perfectly ! (yes also shutdown in expert mode), maybe your failure is using the correct settings in the sys.txt file...

Therfore I have to disagree with you completely on the IGO satisfaction scale.

I give it a 9,7 out of 10 (cause it can always be improved).

Tomtom is great and also is IGo in my opinion (havn't tried the rest om my HD).

with regards,

Ikkezelf
[Touch HD General] Terra1:
I am using Garmin Mobile XT, and it looks and works a treat.......

IGO8, does look good but there seems to be a lot of screen size problems for the HD. I too have tried IGO8 and all the stuffing around to get the correct screen resolution files sent me nuts.
[Touch HD General] Neocasses:
I am using co-pilot 7, working well so far, especially when I remember to switch it from walking mode to car :rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] arghness:
A quick summary of my experiences with iGo 8, TomTom 7 and Garmin Mobile XT on the HD, in the UK.

iGo 8

Pros:

Has the nicest looking graphics, with terrain elevation and 3D models of major landmarks (and many more buildings too, in major cities) and a good variety of views.

Text-to-speech support for reading out road names, if you have enough memory (sometimes needs a reboot or to disable TouchFlo to get enough - sadly it doesn't default to the normal non-TTS if there's not enough memory, so you have to turn it back manually).

Routing between multiple maps installed.

Cons:

Long startup time.

Incorrect speed limits in my area (30 instead of 60-70 on some roads!)

The voice directions have been misleading when crossing a roundabout over a motorway, telling me to incorrectly take the first exit from a roundabout, when the direction arrow clearly shows the second. I verified by plotting a route on to the motorway that it also said "first exit" for that exit too. Very strange - I haven't seen problems with other roundabouts, yet.

Bad default POIs, listing the nearest cash machine as 25 miles away, when I was standing right next to one and no shops that I was looking for.

TomTom 7

Pros:

Reasonable across the board.

Cons:

Average default POIs, finding cash machines but not most shops.

Garmin Mobile XT

Pros:

Great default POIs, being able to track down most shops, etc.

Great free online services, such as Google local search, cheapest petrol

prices nearby, weather, traffic reports, flight status and Panoramio.

Being able to install subsets of maps, to reduce space on the device.

Cons:

Very slow graphics engine.
[Touch HD General] johnpatcher:
I'm using the latest iGO8.0.x release and haven't noticed any memory problem at all. I think it is a problem of the 8.3.X release(s), as they are not optimized for our devices yet. There are some sys.txt tweaks regarding to the tts functionality out there, maybe they will fix it for you.

What do you mean by that? Mine is up and ready after 10 seconds (or something like that).

That's not iGO8's fault at all. The speed limits are integrated in the card material, mostly coming from tele atlas. For Germany the cards are really good.

Haven't noticed any lacks of pois yet. But you can easily add pois (look for poi plaza).
[Touch HD General] arghness:
I'll take a look, thanks. The normal voices are fine, just not the tts. It could be due to the high quality tts rather than the 11KHz pack.

It's not unusable, it just takes longer than the others. Sometimes I want to quickly look something up. My usage scenario and my opinion of course :)

I did say it was my experience in the UK. Also, I think that they do count as negative points against iGo as they make it less useful to me compared to the competition. Giving incorrect voice directions is bad, especially when the visual direction is correct. I'm glad you're happy with it - the graphics engine, buildings and terrain really are good. I'd love to see some online integration like Garmin, especially Google local search, which would make the POIs less of an issue.
[Touch HD General] jamesbaldesco:
Gps sofware in uae

Just for anybody here in UAE ... Sygic Drive 2008 from ORION MIDDLE EAST.. works great on my HD.. and its maps are more updated for the GCC regions.. atleast here in UAE..
[Touch HD General] hijamir:
My comparison between Garmin mobile XT Vs Mapking R12

hello

yesterday i have chance to fully try out my GPS function on my new HD

This is my findings...

I have expirient using Mapking R12 with my Tytn2 and it is much faster in the term of rerouting if u miss any turn,the accuracy is much better but the graphic is quite "cartoon"... anyway it is quite simple to use and straight forward....

With garmin mobile XT i found that, graphic is cool, many additional information such as speed limit, traffic light and ETA....time...

but it is not that easy to handle in term of finding your destination, etc...

it is slow responding and this can cause u miss some turn since u been passing that turn about 5-10 meters then only in the graphic u will reach there... the speed indicator also slow 10 Kmph...then my speedo meter

anyway i'm not really sure this is due to the sofware or the GPS chip... since i'm comparing my expirient with 2 different device that running with 2 different sofware

anyway i will try to run my HD with mapking and look the different....
[Touch HD General] arpax:
Comparison TomTom 7, IGO 8 and INAVI

TOMTOM 7:

It has the most user-friendly interface and most stright-forward menu. You get whatever you want in just several pushes of buttons. Maps are very precise in west Europa and I think in the USA. In other countries maps aren't that good if they exist. It computes almost the best way. Better than all other programs.

IGO 8

It is the most complete navigation program. It has plenity of options. The drawback of this is that you will need more time to do the same thing. The most useful function not available in TomTom is easy moving and zoming map during navigation. It has maps for much more countries for Israel, Eastern Europa and they are more precise (there are even 3D buildings) and they take less space. If you travel outside Europa and USA or like exploring options then it will be the best choice.

INAVI

It is good. It's the only choice for eastern Europe and some other countries. It has many options (more than TomTom and less than IGO) but navigation is less easy and less precise than others. You can choose it if there is no maps for the country where you go.

Personally I choose TomTom 7 because of it's stright-forward interface. In the car you don't have a lot of time to play with options. 3D buildings don't interest me (I can see them through the window) and I live in west Europe.
[Touch HD General] BelgianAtheist:
Just installed Garmin Mobile XT

Updated to version 5.00.20wp

I'm impressed, works full screen and very smooth, Garmin Online is very well integrated, the interface is clean and easy to navigate, you can really just install and drive/walk off (I did not have to do anything to activate the GPS just plug in the MicroSD card and it automatically installed the soft and I could start navigating)

This does not mean that things cannot be customized, from my first look at the settings it looks like just about anything can be customized.

The integration with WM seems very complete too, from the large "Where to" button I can select a contact and it will have a large "Go" button to start navigating to it.

This morning I tested it in my car and I even got a phonecall during navigating which went flawless, the phone screen came on but I went back to Garmin Mobile via the Start menu and it continued navigating (the data connection was stopped so no more Garmin Online service but it did not stop the navigation)

Voice prompts and warning signals were quite clear through the HD speaker.

The only thing is that the location of my car holder might not be ideal on the open road it was ok but the GPS connection became quite erratic when I entered the city, the GPS info screen showed only 3 satellites that flickered on and off, when I took it out of the holder and held it to the windscreen things got better.
[Touch HD General] BelgianAtheist:
this is normal, the speedo in your car is set slower than the actual speed by design (so you don't think you're driving the speed limit but you're actually speeding). If GPS connection is good GPS speed can be accurate to about 0.1km.

On road GPSes there is always a 1 second lag (1Hz, professional and aviation GPSes can have multiple Hz updates) so accelerating/decelerating will not be correct but for constant speeds the GPS indication is superior to most cars speedos.
[Touch HD General] sschrupp:
I've never had a gps device before, and am pretty new to the whole Winmo scene in general. I saw someone mention that Route 66 worked without tweaking so I bought a discounted version of their Route 66 Navigate 7. I wasn't able to install it directly from the CD, but their customer support responded within an hour or two telling me to copy the memory card directory from the CD directly to my HD's card and run the .cab from the phone.

Works great. Now I just have to fool around with it so I know how to actually use it effectively.. lol.

From their website they list the HD as compatible for their latest "8" version too. I just decided to get the old one for cheap since I don't really have a need for gps. Maybe I'll upgrade at some point if it's worth it.
[Touch HD General] earazi:
I also get take the 1st exit when at a motorway roundabout when heading straight on which is the 2nd exit (happens when heading from St Albans to Watford over the M25 motorway).

I think it is treating the left lane as a filter onto the motorway and then assumes the 1st exit is straight on, either way it's very misleading.

Elliot
[Touch HD General] thierryb:
I am using my old garmin que.

Works well. Sometimes it does not start and need a soft reset before loading.