yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Koffein Schluck:
Hahaha. Well said! Laughed a lot! Your post is great!

And YES you ARE RIGHT! Windows Mobile is no deal to the Apple OS. Ans there is one simple reason why: The iPhone has an operation system made for the iPhone! (Yes! Really! Believe me!) It was optimized for the iPhone hardware and uses 100% of that what is possible with it! And that's why it has such an immense power! The Touch HD uses Windows Mobile, an operation system used by hundreds of devices, which use thousands of different hardware combinations... Windows mobile is platform independent, it cannot use 100% of the installed hardware. It is NOT optimized...

There is no perfect Pocket PC out there (yet!)

If I could design a phone it would look like the iPhone or the HD, but would have

an extra graphic accelerator chip

a large display like the HD

An optimized, for the hardware build OS (Android?)

The Stylus could be used as a pen on the paper and the device would digitalize everything you write with it and safe it into the memory (as JPEG...)

GPS

Multi-Touch

SOME REAL HARDWAREBUTTONS

capacitive display

active USB slot

can make coffee :)

This would be a device ... yeah...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Schooleydoo:
Are you talking about SwirlyMMS on Cydia? I haven't checked the Apple appstore in a long time, just wondering if they have approved a program yet.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Boinng:
No, this is a new approved app in the Apple Appstore simply called "MMS". It downloads any messages from your provider's web based MMS inbox (eg the link they text you when you get an MMS), and sends messages via their own server, for which you by credits from Paypal (35p per message). Seems to work well.

I'm assuming (perhaps wrongly) this is available everywhere, certainly it's in the UK Appstore and works fine with O2.

EDIT - sorry if I've gotten any international hopes up, unfortunately (for you) it is UK only at the moment - details here: http://iphonemms.net/
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] sirrick1:
mm,I insist!!, like a toy may be there is not a big difference, but like tool the difference is huge!!
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Nightstalker79:
That is a dealbreaker for some, and again this is not a device limitations cause tomtom has its satnav app ready for the iphone for almost a year now, but its apple that is holding it all up cause well apple doesn't want you to be too happy, that is bad for business.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Koffein Schluck:
there must be another reason... is there an official statement?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Mister Q:
Sorry to be a spoil sport but why on earth are our iPhone-loving friends on this forum trolling about? :) Just so I actually have a valid reason to post other than that, I'll say this. Windows Mobile is not 'optimised' as you call it BECAUSE it can run on such a wide variety of devices and because it can be used with such a huge combination of hardware. You cannot use the iPhone OS for anything that the Apple app store doesn't want you to use it for can you? You can't do these things with an iPhone because unlike Windows and Microsoft, Apple demand that they have the final say with what you can and cannot do with their tech. Simple, really.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Nightstalker79:
If you ask apple they probably give you a bull**** excuse like that would compete with an existing app on the iphone, which is google maps, which is an entirely different type of app. So you can pick from either:

- Google is paying major dollars to keep satnav off of the iphone, so they can estabilish themselves as major player in the satnav business, not likely since the repercussion would be devastating if this ever comes to light.

- Tomtom and other satnav are not stable on the iphone, highly unlikely since tomtom has been working stable on ancient winmo 2003, palm, symbian and what not devices.

- Apple is still working on a satnav and is screwing competition over by not allowing it at all, I'd go for this since that would be much more lucrative.

... or all of the above as they get major dollar from google, screwing over other satnav developpers, then turning it around and screws google over with their own satnav app.:p
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] dgen:
amen brother :D
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] snipey:
Differences in preference, period. Like many users I see how the Iphone keeps popping out the great amount of games and apps which the blackstone just doesnt have. I however, I want my phone to be my way. Complete customization to whatever I need. A little jailbreak doesn't get me all "hot and buttered" anymore

So honestly, why on earth would anybody who owns an iphone and keeps it under his pillow, just too cuddle, come to this forum. You have valid points in every quote you addressed, but what is the big deal in users like us who just enjoy a good looking app now and again. The undertone to show off might be wrong, but nevertheless, it stimulates the discussion.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Boinng:
For starters, I still own a WM device (largely unused) so I'm here to keep up on what's going on, and if things are getting any better for WM users. So far, that's a no.

For seconders, the whole purpose of this thread is to find something about the HD that would impress an iPhone user, and as an iPhone user I figure I'm in a good position to help out here, and point people in the right direction. I've already given you a big tip - the TomTom thing will wind some iPhoners up - but everything else is pretty much a bust, and it's better you hear that from me now, really.

:)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] rd2000:
oh god, another one of the Apple disciples who actually thinks we need to be saved from Winmo.

Here is a news flash. We don't!

We all know what pros and cons Winmo has compared to iPhone, so we really don't need your sales pitch.

Now run along, cause all I see is someone who really loves to see his own words on the internet. Nothing but a boarderlining troll. Which I assume the admins will see soon.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Boinng:
If that were true, this thread wouldn't have existed in the first place, and it wouldn't have been so full of innacurracies and misconceptions either. As far as I can see, I'm making a constructive contribution to the topic at hand, so what are you doing?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] funk1980:
Some things I love about the HD compared to the iPhone:

- Navigation (tomtom, iGo)

- Use the HD as a modem for my laptop on the road

- Upcoming appointments on the home-screen

- Huge (rom)developers scene

- Remote desktop to my home PC
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] funk1980:
Dude...

Chill
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Moony1987:
Last time I had a look, Poor Flash was certainly better than No Flash.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Nightstalker79:
Tired of your long post, so here is what you mentionned in short, 4 previews vs 6 and you say its easier to use, apple marketings at its best here. Calling me out for a 14 year old cause I like to hear what I want as my ringtones, very mature of you sir. Most of your so called usefull apps comes standard with WM, omg did I say that out loud? Guess what there are tons of alternatives for those apps for free on WM too, well what do you know. Like those 10000 of apps have never been done before apple came on the scene and not all because the majority of those are atleast inspired or ported from WM and Palm at all.

About the video conversion set, well as I mentionned before, there are people who wants to run 720p and above on their HD and they can nothing wrong about that, I believe that is the strenght of WM, you can actually do whatever you want and yes that does includes drivers to speed up the data transfer to and from a sd card. Again I can drop a DVD rip on my HD and play it fluently without converting anything, below 720p ofcourse(don't want to be called a 14 year old here again for that).

You know what hotswap is good for? You can buy another really big card and use it in conjunctions with you're old one and the one that came with the device. Let's just not tell all our apple friends that actually taking out the card and put it in a card reader would get you much faster transfer rates than ever possible over USB, oops did I say that out loud again? Before you go apple mode on me again, yes there is a use for that if you actually want to put multiple dvdrip/music files on the card at a time and yes if you travel alot lets say from home to school in a public transportation vehicle you do want to put multiple files on your sd, just an example here, please don't assume that I'm a kindergarten now that I mentionned school okay?

About people not complaining about the quality of the screen, well if you never knew any better why would you? Its like going from SD to HD tv, you don't notice its actually that good untill you go to a friends house with an old SD tv and you just go damn why did I ever settle for that. People have a rights to complain when its not good right out of the box, but that is HTC fault, and yet again this is also the power of WM you can actually do something about it instead of blindingly believe what ever apple tells you what is best for you. You like the video playback on the iphone good for you, you don't like it tough luck to you mate.

I do agree with you iphone is good out of the box and you should stick with it cause it works for you, just too confining to me.

ps. damnit made a long post out of it after all. :P
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] waqarz:
I agree with you 100%, sorry to see a thread going this way. If you need Sat navigation in your phone you have your choice made up. What what I could'nt understand is:

I'm not focusing on scoring points, one has different motivation to buy one of these two very different phones. But I can't believe you cant tell the resolution difference of HVGA and WVGA.... more than twice the pixels? Do you know what reconversion of digital video and down-sampling means? Have you heard about an anti-aliasing filter? blur? lossy-compression? I guess not! Because scientifically speaking, you cannot render the information on a HVGA screen of iPhone what you can on WVGA, be it a webpage, pdf, video content or navigation screen.

Best regards.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] djskaw:
it is people like you that make me never want to own an iphone. you think your phone is greater than god and when people show you better features you act like it is nothing. i dont want to pull out an iphone and have everyone that sees it lump me in with the likes of you. that is the biggest reason i will not get one

second of all you cant talk about a phone that isnt out yet because wm will come out with newer and better phones as well
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] bconnelly2000:
You know what? I started reading this thread in the hope of finding some of those snazzy software demos like you see for the iPhone, you know the drink, the coin trick etc. I wanted them to demonsrate the HD's abilities not knock other peoples phones as is happening here. If you're happy with the phone you've got then what the hell does it matter what the other guy has. I can't multi task nor can I run as fast as the young guy next door but (to the best of my knowledge) my wife's not looking to replace me!

Stay happy folks.

BC
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] alenaski:
War :)

I have both iPhone and HD now. What I like about iPhone is touch friendliness. Some people say it's UI - but UI is just a simple data grid - it is nothing different from other UI's.

What I hate about iPhone? iTunes. It is complete sh1t. It would not synchronize contacts, calendar with my Outlook (on Vista x64). It crashes on every attemp. Funambol works fine to synchronize contacts - so it means that iTunes is to blame (or they intentionally did it this way). And I know a lot of other people who can not sync with Outlook too.

Also my primary emails are on Hotmail. You can not access it on iPhone same way as you can on WM device.

Because I use my Phone to keep in touch with contacts/calendar/tasks - so this is the most important thing for me - and iPhone does not deliver. With Windows Live on my WM phone - I can sync easily over the air. MobileMe cost a lot for the functionality that is already available on WM for free.

And the most important point. If someone is a DEV (and I am), then creating apps for WM is easy and free, for iPhone is a lot of hassle. Imagine you just want to create simple app that runs in the background as a service - it takes few hours for WM and it is not even possible for iPhone without jailbreaking.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] sschrupp:
So uh... any apps/games to be suggested here? Or do we know if there are any plans for game developers to show Winmo some love in the near future? My son just showed me a bunch of games he downloaded for his iPod Touch and I'm jealous.

(Not looking for "Go buy an iPhone then you newb!" responses or any suggestion that the Touch HD isn't for playing games)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] barryfell:
iPhone fanboy alert. :rolleyes: Now that is sad! ;)

At the end of the day, there are some things the iPhone does better and there are some things the Touch HD does better. It's just a case of weighing up the relative pro's and con's of each device depending on what elements are most important to you.

What sold me on the HD over the iPhone is:

Battery life

Reception

Screen size

Double the resolution

Customisation

...and the fact there is nothing the iPhone has that I want that the HD can't do (except for the ugly OS when you get past touchflo, but there are free apps/roms to get round that for the most used functions which make things look/operate much better)

As I say though, it's all down to personal preference really.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] cadenza:
Its actually 4 times the resolution;) 400x240 is wQUATERvga than WVGA with 800x480. There are 4 times more dpi^^ just my little two cents;)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] doublerosa:
Virtual Pool Mobile

use your friend google and search for Virtual Pool Mobile .....this game is awesome
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] skulk3r:
I guess the iPhone has a lot of games that work without fiddling around because...well, they're made for it. But let's not forget the games you can get on emulators =D.

Little bit of VGA -> WVGA action, and we're in :p
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] barryfell:
The iPhone is 480x320.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Halz_1985:
Can't we all just get along :)

Most people who own a HD will have already weighed it up against the iphone. We all know that winmo has a lot of short comings and the iphone is easy to use out of the box. It all depends on personal preference.

But unless I'm mistaken this thread was meant to be about apps that show what tha HD can do unfortunately these will be ew and far between until wxga 800x480 screens are more widely used. But here's a few apps that I use.

Bejeweled 2

PBA Bowling

Pocket Mini Golf 2

Snails Reloaded (rip off of worms but just as good)

Resco Bubbles

S2U2 (yes I'm fully aware that it copies something the iphone already does)
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Psygnosis84:
I don't understand the point of this thread. iPhone users are idiots anyways, so regardless of how disabled their phone is, they think it's the phone to end all phones.

It doesn't matter what you show them because in the end you should have the personal satisfaction that you didn't droop to their level of intelligence in buying a phone that doesn't have ****.

Look, the thing is that since iPhone is new, alot of new apps are being for it to take advantage of the whole screen and what not. WinMo has gone through alot of stages so it'll be hard to keep up.

In the end, you win.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] rovdude:
Iphon Phonies

Iphone users slating HD users about this post if same geos if your Iphones are so good why are you trying to defend it so much.

And why come on a site For PDA

I personnaly would not by an iphone

1. Price

2. O2 exclusive

3. Itunes is so restrictive as are Ipod docks If I want music in my house I use quality stereo equipment.

4. I travel the world with my job and I require a second battery

5. Its a gimmick

6. I have been using PPc's since 1998 where was the Iphone then??

There are hundreds of reasons But then thats me and not anyone else.

I like my HD becuase it has the functions I want and do not want to be using the most incompatable product in the world. Betamax springs to mind Sony learnt there lesson there.

Why would I buy a product that only one manufacturer supported

There are loads of WM devices so if I dont like HTC's latest when I change I can choose another manufacturer it deos not even have to be WM based and simlply Sync with outlook and walla all my emails contacts files ported Very Easily.

What are Iphone owners going to do if someone comes out with a killer Phone running on a different operating system.

Last thing all my music is on my micro SD so plug it into my usb stick plug it into any computer, Usb car stereo, and Loose all my music OH NO THATS AN IPHONE/POD.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] rovdude:
Apps

So can we now get back on thread anyone know any good applications to show off to the hd to nobody in particular. Lmao
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] htctouchhd314:
ex Iphone 2g and 3g user, current Raphael (Fuze) and HD user

One of the best apps for the HD so far for me other than Garmin GPS is Sling Player. It allows you to watch tv live on your phone and of course with the ability to change the channels.

Now an Iphone user would argue that they have ORB (which the hd can do as well but very choppy and slow compared to the Iphone), but it would require you to leave your computer on all the time, and your pc needs a tv tuner onley to get your local channels or cable (but for most users such as myself, have a satellite receiver)

Here are my 2 top Apps

1. Garmin Gps - Very smooth, fluent and accurate so far (Use it a lot)

2. Sling Player - Also use it constantly to catch a soccer game or something when I'm at school between or when it's important (like MAN-U vs Inter Wednsday) during class haha
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] underneathurclothes:
Dont prove anything HD is doing better. They will copy it.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Psygnosis84:
I bet you pay a hefty fee on your data connection right?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] htctouchhd314:
Connection Fee ???

O no that would cost me an arm and a leg. I have no connection data plan. Everytime a new rom comes by (Dutty's 2.1extreme) i install the No Data cab or some other program to disable Data.

I use the good old free Wifi. lucky me i've had a free wifi connection every where I go, most people out here leave them unsecured
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] apy:
Boinng, your post have been very hilarious:):) The long emails does remind me of an article: One thing PC users can do that Mac users can't. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=macs_cant) :D

You could very well replace PC with WM and Mac with Iphone.

On topic: Microsoft Voice Command is my top app, it allows me to start a call, start application, read my agenda out loud by using voice commands. When an appointment alert comes up, it tells me the appointment and where it is. The application is also context sensitive, meaning, if you want to play some music, it asks you whether you like jazz, rock etc. you don't need to repeat any commands, simply answer the question is enough.

Probably not an Iphone killer, still, that combined with Tom Tom, SPB Finance (sync with MS Money or Quicken), the supported music/video files, memory expansion and the many roms that gives me a 'new' phone everytime I flash my rom is enough to choose the WM over an Iphone.

I know... we don't have Supermonkeyball...
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] crashDebug:
my hope is that since htc did not kiss qualcomm 7201a chipset goodbye for good releasing topaz and rhodium that chipset will spread and more decent games will be developed for it

delivering an excellent gaming experience, which honestly, pocket uno cannot deliver... (although it's great fun :))
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Psygnosis84:
Oh haha that is so true, i worked in retail once and the amount of Mac idiots you had to deal with was unbearable. They didn't understand the fact that their OS had as much of a problem than Windows.

Go Mac, and you will always be a Moron, isn't that true Boinng?
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Noodled24:
I'm really happy with my Touch HD, but the simple fact is that there are only a handfull of applications that come close to being as impressive as the many apps for the iphone... even the stupid and pointless iPhone apps, like the fruit machine-esqu app that finds resturaunts. Or the app you can use to price check anything with a barcode (yes there are similer apps on the touch HD, but they dont work quite as well.)

I've wondered if this is due to the iPhone app store. With WinMo devices there is no central place you can go to browse applications. WinMo requires lots of browsing and searching. Plus just because an app works on one WinMo device - it may not work on "most" others due to the different hardware specs.

The argument that the iPhone is just a gimmick is flawed. As it the reasoning that it's a "good thing" the the touch HD doesnt have these kind of apps. We've all downloaded the diamond hologram, and said "wow". We were all hoping that the Xperia panels could be flawlessly ported to the HD.

The Touch HD is a great device. But in terms of apps and games, it just doesnt match the iphone.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] ajs007:
I'm assuming that you're refering to Barcorama, but tweaking the settings gives you an almost like for like experience.

Here's my settings

=\windows\OperaL.exe

"for USA"

=http://www.google.com/products?q=!###!&btnG=Search+Products&hl=en&shown=dd

"for UK"

=http://www.google.co.uk/products?q=!###!&btnG=Search+Products&hl=en&shown=dd

The default google search doesn't drill down to price comparison without the extra code.

:)

Thanks Noodled24 for the heads up .. fixed it on mine but forgot to update this :-o
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Noodled24:
ok, after changing the code, enabling live scanning and autofocus it has become much more usefull.

however everything was being shown in USD rather than GBP so I changed the code to make it search google UK, and now after scanning 3 xbox games and a peep show DVD not one of them returned any results.

on top of that with the TouchHD's camera it's not the easiest thing to scan the barcodes, you need bright light and you need to hold the device very steady. - not the fault of the software tho, to be fair.

By comparison Quickmark seems to scan the 2dbarcodes with ease... it's just a shame there arent many of them around.

Thanks for the update tho. This would be a great app if not for the poor camera quality.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] Noodled24:
I've changed the code as you said, but nothing I scan gives any results. (more than likely i've entered a mistake in the code, so i'll double check it)

Looking at the likes of "shopsavy" and "compare anywhere" on Android, it's just a little disheartening that so many usefull (and pretty) apps exist for such a new OS, while WM still lags behind. (checkthem out on youtube) 5 seconds to scan the barcode, within 10 seconds you start to see results, all from within the same application.

There is even an app called "snap-tell" where you ignore the barcode and just take a picture of the item you are looking for (the demo I saw was of a book).

Barcorama is a good start, but for an OS that has been around as long as WM... I find it odd that even android (a new OS) can dominate it in terms of "modern apps" (I say "modern" in the sense that much of the WM software does still tend to look a bit windows 3.1 esque.
[Touch HD Themes and Apps] htc's fan:
try some good games and videos like

xtrakt...............the best i think !

virtual pool

call of duty

and so on....
[Palm Treo Pro] unhappyTreoUser:
hi ,

i like my Treo but i'am new into it.

Is it possible to change the touchbutton "internet" (in the attachment)

to an other Programm, like calculator ?

i always hit it accidently and the treo dials into the Inet..

thx

micking
[Palm Treo Pro] edge2861:
Soft key applet

You can change it by using softkey applet.

get it here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=279544