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[Wing, P4350 General] asctony:
Thank you. I will try it out.
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
Saw this news story, does anyone know if it is credible? The NextG Service is on the 850MHz band which is the same as Rogers/Fido in Canada and Cingular in the US...if all this is true then one of these unlocked would be 3G Compatible in North America...Thoughts?

http://apcmag.com/iphonelike_htc_touch_hd_set_for_aussie_launch.htm

http://www.expansys.com.au/d.aspx?i=173812
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Well that would suck for me because about 3 hours ago I got an iPhone because I really needed 3g already I do ally of browsing and videos but I like the touch he better....
[Touch HD General] Lokosis:
What is the exact issue with North America and the Touch HD? I thought HSDPA was fully supported in our continent under most major providers. Just curious as I'm looking at purchasing one in the future.
[Touch HD General] Tremere:
The Touch HD that is out now operates on UMTS 900/2100. Telstra in Australia and the North American providers (except T-Mobile) use UMTS 850.
[Touch HD General] marktang:
hopefully it is just some software that HTC did. cuz we do have that option to change it to 850MHz 3G in the phone but just nothing happens to it. If a flash can fix it then it should be ok. EDGE for me is pretty fast anyways in Toronto most of the time.
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
850 mHz is just one of the 2 bands needed to work on US 3G. you also need 1900 . my understanding is one band is for upload the other for download. don't get me wrong, it would be fantastic if the Aussie version was fully capable on US networks. i'll believe it when i see it. heck, expansys even has a note saying they have to confirm the 850mHz 3G band.
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
850/1900Mhz....

could someone please explain the upload/download at different frequencies paradigm to me?
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
This is incorrect. With at&t you do not need both. With just 850mHz you will be more than fine.

Now with T-Mobile you would need both 1700 and 2100 not just 2100 or just 1700 both. Just more reason to hate T-Mobile.
[Touch HD General] iHTC:
I am ready to take the plunge and drop the $ for an HD. I also will switch my number back to at&t from verizon. I guessi cna say almost ready. I really dont want to spend $800 for no 3G :(
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
Does anyone know how hspa in Canada with Rogers/Fido works? i.e. are dual frequencies required or is 850MHz enough to get top speeds? Thanks...
[Touch HD General] tbfl:
Has anyone brought one into the US and had any success getting a 3G signal ?
[Touch HD General] ez2remember:
Some carriers in the US and Canada use 850mhz such as AT&T and Rogers but they also use 1900mhz. It really depends where you live... Whiich city, state etc

1900mhz is growing in popularity in the states.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Doesnt work
[Touch HD General] AllTheWay:
I can't remember which but one is used for uploading and one is used for downloading.

You are exactly right. YOu need both 1900 and 850mhz

Sadly, no 3G for me.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
You do not need both 1900 and 850. Its only tmobile that u need both frequenes but they use 1700 and 2100. As long as u have ether 850 or 1900 (depending on what freuency ur area uses) u will have 3g with at&t.
[Touch HD General] Tremere:
No, the *network* you use may be present on more than one frequency, but its not 850 being uplink and 1700 being the downlink.

When we talk about UMTS the downlink is around 850/1700/2100 but the uplink is always a few MHz below that. (to be pedantic, the UMTS specification specifies the exact downlink/uplink separation)

I can't imagine HTC producing a UMTS 850 phone that won't work on ATT/Rogers and Telstra . Telstra only needs the 850 band so HTC can add in whatever extra the US providers use. It will probably be the same bands supported by the HTC Hermes and other phones common to these providers.
[Touch HD General] McHale:
for AT&T, you do NOT need both frequencies (850 and 1900) for 3G. They don't HAVE both frequencies in most areas. It's one or the other.

And yes, T-Mobile US sucks ass...

-Mc
[Touch HD General] AllTheWay:
Well I stand corrected then. This is good news then. Just need somebody in the US to buy a Telstra HD and see if it works. I guess it will be dependent on the area though. If you don't have 850mhz.
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Lol i guess it took a senor member to say it for anyone to believe it. I only said it in the first page lol. Lets see what happens when the aus model comes out.
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
So it is decided then IF the Blackstone is introduced by Telstra and working on their 850MHz 3.5G Network THEN it has the opportunity to work in both the US on Att and Canada's Rogers/Fido...I will wait for this device, purchase it and let the board know if someone else doesn't beat me to it!

P.S. does someone think that this release may be with the Android OS for Telstra? It was the Telstra reps that were commenting at CES 2009 regarding Palm Pre and how the next Android phone that they were testing kicks it...who knows probably coincidence...
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
Here is the news story link re: Telstra rep comments...do you think this is linked to the touch HD?

http://androidcentral.com/telstra-exec-htc-android-phones-palm-pre/
[Touch HD General] McHale:
I *REALLY* want the Blackstone, but if it doesn't have 1900, I'm still going to pass. Too many places still depend on 1900 to make is work every place in the U.S.

When the specs get confirmed, let us all know!

-Mc
[Touch HD General] tbfl:
Today's the Day !

I'm assuming its mid-day in Aussieland now....did the thing come out as expected ? Anyone tore it open yet to see if it will work in the US ?

[Anxiously awaiting news]
[Touch HD General] McHale:
just need a list of the specs...

fingers are crossed here in Chicago-land!

-Mc
[Touch HD General] dandun:
Network	HSDPA/WCDMA:

*

Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz

* Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds

Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:

*

Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

(Band frequency, HSUPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.)

----------------------------------------

Pricing and Availability

The HTC Touch HD will be available exclusively through Telstra shops and dealers from 10 February 2009. The HTC Touch HD has an RRP of $1499, and is also available for $0 upfront on a $150 member plan with a repayment option of $62.45 per month over 24 months.
[Touch HD General] mpf54:
I have a UK HD and I have had it for a few weeks here in Chicago-land!. Upgraded from a iphone that never was that quick on ATT. While I hope we can get the other bands opened up on my HD I find that I can still use the egde and it does not work to bad. I stream video using a slingplayer and it works fine. AT&T does not have that great of service. I love my HD. The big display makes it well worth it even using edge.
[Touch HD General] x5-rwk:
I saw the same specs on HTC Australia site. I imagine that they just copied the original Touch HD ad and through a "Telstra" logo on it. They didn't do a very good job either. It looks like some logo that they hacked out of Telstra web site.
[Touch HD General] denco7:
Htc execs still say that it is a hardware restriction that does not allow the HD to work with US 3G bands, stating that to redesign the HD would be impractical, the time and resources would be better spent designing new phones than redesigning already released phone.

Then last month someone came across a user/repair manual that listed compatibility with the 850MHz band and the phone blogs went nuts with their " HTC is hiding US 3G HD compatibility " stories.

To which HTC replied, it was a misprint, the HD is not now. and there is no plan to make it compatible with US 3G networks.

That is the last that I have read. Maybe the 850MHz story is taking on different forms .
[Touch HD General] marktang:
im pretty sure it is hidden. why would HTC all of a sudden stop making triband 3G...they use to have it in all of their 3G phones. then they stopped all of a sudden. im really disappointed.

i have a Touch HD right now and using EDGE. its surprisingly fast but i do miss the 3G and video calling.
[Touch HD General] tbfl:
I agree that HTC would probably state that, but if it accepts 3G signals on the 850MHZ band for Telstra, there is no good reason it would not work 0on the ATT 850 band. HTC may just have no desire to submit it through the FCC for testing as they have no official plan to release one through a carrier here, but it could still work.
[Touch HD General] Gatoroz:
G'day guys. I have been looking at the HD for quite a while now but Telstra down here are in for a bit of shock at the release pricing ($AUD1500). Word is that a UTMS 850/2100 unlocked phone will be a bit cheaper in other stores than mobile phone shops but it remains to be seen. Apparently Telstra have it exclusively unitl April. Obviously all the bloatware on the NextG (850Mhz) model can be flashed with a cooked rom. This has created a lot of buzz in Oz.

You might like this link :D http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1118143

Cheers

Gatoroz
[Touch HD General] McHale:
It may run on 850, but it also needs 1900 to be US compliant for AT&T. AT&T uses 850 *AND* 1900 depending on where you live.

So without 1900, you're still screwed. :(
[Touch HD General] TORB:
Same here in Oz so if it has 850 it also has 1900.

In regard to the Telstra rip off price, I got mine from an "expensive" local retailer for $1349. (No 850/1900)

As soon as April comes, the price will drop substantially as other carriers "officially" carry the phone. The same thing happened with the Touch Diamond.
[Touch HD General] Moony1987:
No. Telstra uses 850UMTS and 2100UMTS. Not 1900.

The new Optus "yesG" network uses 900UMTS.
[Touch HD General] x5-rwk:
ATT percentage of 850 vs. 1900

What percentage of ATT 3G network is 850 vs. 1900? Isn't ATT trying to convert the 1900 3G to 850 because of the better frequency penetration? The two primary markets I use my iphone in are 850. Also, does ATT change between 850 and 1900 in the same market or do they generally keep it the same? Sorry for all the questions.
[Touch HD General] Vampire2800:
Have we officially determined whether it's a hardware or software issue?
[Touch HD General] McHale:
Hardware. Definitely hardware.

:(
[Touch HD General] McHale:
depends on the licensing. AT&T doesn't have 850 licensing everywhere. Some places they have 850 and some the have 1900. They can't legally support an 850 tower in any area they don't have a license for it.

So you really need 850 and 1900 if you are an AT&T customer and want 3G everywhere in the US.

We also still have no confirmation or real details on what AT&T may be doing with their 1900/850 towers for GSM. It doesn't make sense.

cheers...

-Mc
[Touch HD General] sna:
stupid htc...willing to change the hardware for aus but not for the us =( how difficult would it be to get the aus version HD?
[Touch HD General] consultant1027:
Apparently 850mHz is all you need for AT&T 3G. If the phone doesn't have 1900mHz then does that mean the AT&T 3G coverage will be smaller than if the phone had both though? Seems like you want quad-band so it works in multiple countries too, right?

I think I'm going to take my Touch Pro back in a couple weeks and wait to renew my countract with the HD. But it seems that is several months out before a stable AT&T version is ready and there is a good stable cooked ROM for it.
[Touch HD General] euklid:
I live in Miami,FL..how do i know which 3g frequency at&t uses in my area?
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
call at&t customer support...good luck :rolleyes:
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
Ordered the Device from Expansys...will report back to the forum on the 850MHz 3G Capabilities or lack thereof...
[Touch HD General] x5-rwk:
You ordered the telstra version?
[Touch HD General] b-e-a-s-t:
Yes, Expansys Australia confirmed the 850MHz 3G Band AND the Quad Band GSM/GPRS/EDGE capabilities of the original...the only thing they could not confirm was whether the device will be locked, but they said they were "pretty sure" it would be network unlocked....will report back as they are expecting their stock on Feb 11th!
[Touch HD General] McHale:
does it have 1900 (3G) on it?

-Mc
[Touch HD General] globalgpj:
Just got a reply from HTC Australia on this matter !

Dear GM,

Thank you for replying to our email.

Regarding your inquiry, Yes the Touch HD_blackstone will be running on 850/2100 MHZ, Telstra customized handset.

Thank you for your continuous support of our products and services.

Should you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

Best Regards,

Customer Service Executive

HTC Corporation

Customer Service Hotline (Australia): +1-300-482-482

Website: www.asia.htc.com
[Touch HD General] McHale:
so it looks like no 1900.

Looks like no Blackstone for me (and most AT&T users)...

:(
[Touch HD General] bugsykoosh:
I just got this email from US HTC:

Thank you for your inquiry about the Touch HD.

We will be more than happy to assist you with that information. Here is what our website lists as the network bands that the Australian Touch HD has:

HSDPA/WCDMA:

•	Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz

•	Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds

Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:

•	Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

(Band frequency, HSUPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.)

Our website lists Australia as part of Asia. Therefore, the Quad-band frequencies should apply to that, and as you can see, it can hit both the 850 and 1900 bands.
[Touch HD General] bugsykoosh:
Just followed up and got this:

We will be more than happy to assist you with that information. It should not matter which version of the device you get as long as the bands can hit AT&T’s Edge network. I apologize, if I was not 100% clear before. The Touch HD should be able to hit Edge networks inside the United States, but cannot hit 3G networks due to the difference between out-of-country 3G networks and ours. Yes, some Touch HDs have the bands to hit AT&T’s 3G network, but those bands are not programmed to look for 3G. Therefore, the 850 and 1900 bands do not “know” that they are 3G bands.
[Touch HD General] McHale:
Wow... they speak English not so good, ya know?

I'm not going to spend the time to point out all the misinformation in that message you received. Everyone here probably sees it as well.

But, WOW that was so non-helpful. Thanks for passing it along though.

-Mc
[Touch HD General] bugsykoosh:
I learned I asked the wrong people...Here's more useless answers from my AT&T rep regarding if I need one or both bands for 3G:

U need both but primarily 1900 if it’s not an ATT branded phone. If it doesn’t have 1900 it will not work in the US.
[Touch HD General] sna:
wow A$1,489.99 = US$989... I don't know if 850 frequency is worth that much....especially since AT&T is mostly on 1900?
[Touch HD General] McHale:
Again, it looks like you asked the wrong person. Depending on where you live determines what frequency you need. 1900 would get you nothing where I live. 850 is the only frequency that supports 3G here.

So in the U.S., you need both 850 and 1900. You (and I mean everyone reading this, not "you" literally) may only need one or the other where you live.

:(

-Mc
[Touch HD General] globalgpj:
Just to make it perfectly clear so nobody gets mixed up with the frequencies/bands;

Australia HTC HD

GSM

Yes - GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900

UMTS

Yes - UMTS850 ( Next G, Telstra only ), UMTS2100 ( 3G, Telstra and all other networks, optus, vodafone etc... )

No - UMTS1900

I am currently running with the Imate 9502 which has;

• GSM / GPRS / EDGE

- Quad-band 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900 MHz

- GPRS class 12

- EGPRS Multislot Class 12

• Tri-band UMTS / WCDMA

- Band 1 (2100 MHz)

- Band 2 (1900 MHz)

- Band 5 (850 MHz)

- Diversity for Band 1

- HSDPA and HSUPA
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
You dont HAVE to have both 3g bands. If you live in an area that uses 850 3g like yourself you WILL have working 3G. Now when you travel to another state you might not since the place to travel to might be only on the 1900.
[Touch HD General] technillion:
You're absolutely right!

I owned the Xperia X1i which doesn't have the UMTS 850 band. It does have the UMTS 1900--and it actually performed BETTER on US ATT than my ATT Fuze which has both UMTS 850 & UMTS 1900. Even with HSDPA ENABLED, the Fuze drops down from HSDPA to EDGE in spots when the Xperia didn't.

Yea I realize the radios are different but the point is you can in fact get HSDPA on US ATT with just UMTS 1900.
[Touch HD General] vicsingh71:
no 3G w/touch HD on usa at&t

i have both the sony xperia x1i and the touch HD. i have used both on at&t and i easily got 3g w/my xperia but NEVER got 3g on my HD. i drove all over the los angeles county area...all over...and switched the sim cards b/n the two phones. never did i get a 3g signal on my HD but definitely did w/the sony. so no its not possible to get 3g w/the touch hd on at&t network and definitely not on tmobile.
[Touch HD General] sunhi3man:
we know the euro touch hd has no US 3G...

They are discussing the 3G capabilities of the Telstra Touch HD which will have the UMTS 850 which AT&T does use for 3G in parts of the US. There was also recently a story talking about AT&T possibly moving all of their 3G over to the 850 band and pushing standard edge service over to the 1900 band. Either way this discredits what HTC America put as the reason for not releasing a Touch HD stateside. If they could add an 850 band that easily then why not a 1900 band also.
[Touch HD General] McHale:
if you live in an area that is supported by 1900, then having 850 is irrelevant.

-Mc
[Touch HD General] Farbod:
Aside for Touch HD and the Australian version of it, any other 3G US "compatible" phone can come close? I *really* wanted the HD touch but purely disappointed on the 3G factor. Any other manufacture make a similar phone?:confused:
[Touch HD General] mmdirk:
I love the HD despite being stuck with Edge. Even streaming my Slingbox on the HD with Edge works great. But this up coming phone has similar screen realestate and a D pad as well. Pharos Traveler 137, I'm not that familiar with this mfg and is T-Mobile 3G only.

http://ces.cnet.com/8301-19167_1-10131645-100.html
[Touch HD General] galaxys:
I started a thread on it when 1st announced with it's impressive specs winning some awards at CES. Pharos is mostly know for GPS devices & a few smartphones: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=468569
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
Im sorry to say this but everyone in the u.s do youself a favor. Get an iphone 3G.
[Touch HD General] omaralt:
guys, let me clear some stuff up:

1- First off; with at&t you do NOT need both 850 and 1900 bands to work on their 3G network. for example, the xperia x1i works on at&t's 3G in areas that are only 1900 mhz

2- To see a map of what frequency at&t uses in what area, go here:

http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml

3- I live in florida, which is exclusivly 850 mhz 3g, so if i can get this telestra hd, i would be very happy :)

now, where can we buy it :)
[Touch HD General] AllTheWay:
No thanks I like my big screen, having the ability to send MMS, and take videos with my HD.

I'll pass.

Wow, thanks for posting the maps. I have always wondered what frequency was predominant in my area. Question though...is this actually 3G or just the GMS coverage area.
[Touch HD General] culleyps:
Just saying is all....

The iPhone is only half a phone. No flash, no cut and paste, no vid capture to just name a few. I unfortunately made the switch for my TyTN II (Kaiser) to this phone. Big mistake!!! I will be purchasing another HTC device very shortly, imo the best phone maker out there right now. Once the app shop gets up and going for WM I don't think the iPhone will stand a chance. It had a nice run but in the next year or so that will be winding down for sure.
[Touch HD General] Kokkos:
ATT Cellular Coverage US

Here is an updated map from ATT US coverage:

http://www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/

Kokkos
[Touch HD General] mpf54:
I have a iphone 3G. I did myself a favor and got a Touch HD. My iphone now sits on my desk. While it is a neat toy I think the HD is a much better device.
[Touch HD General] NegroISO:
http://www.htc.com/au/product/touchhd/specification.html

Network	HSDPA/WCDMA:

*

Europe/Asia: 900/2100 MHz

* Up to 2 Mbps up-link and 7.2 Mbps down-link speeds

Quad-band GSM/GPRS/EDGE:

*

Europe/Asia: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

(Band frequency, HSUPA availability, and data speed are operator dependent.)
[Touch HD General] AllTheWay:
Thanks for the map...however I am wondering if there is a way to determine if the 3G area is either 850 or 1900. If there is a way to figure that out then users can see for themselves if they want to buy the AU Telstra HD with the 850mhz 3G.
[Touch HD General] hassan_023:
1900 us 3g

I have been in contact with an AT&T worker that informed that AT&T has been installing 1900 frequencies and sent me a picture showing a 1900 cable installed near a 850 cable. I also called customer care and first they said 3G was 850 to max 1850. Then when i asked her if they have 1900 in 3G , she said " yep, actually its 850/1800/1900"

hooray :)..so if this is true then we should be able to surf US 3G on the htc hd right?
[Touch HD General] stepw:
For sure not until you get yourself an Australian Touch HD that is capable of UMTS1900 in the first place. European Touch HD still won't have 3G in US.
[Touch HD General] tbfl:
Was Feb10 the Telstra release date ?

Did it hit the shelves or ship from Expansys ?
[Touch HD General] Moony1987:
I purchased mine direct from a Telstra shop for $1399AUD on the 9th.

It's definitely out now. Expansys will probably have it soon.
[Touch HD General] lbarouf:
ROM/RADIO dump

Could it be possible to dump the radio and ROM of these Australia devices? I wonder if it could help enable 850Mhz support on asia models. BTW, Telstra doesn't have the ROM for download yet, can't find it.
[Touch HD General] Moony1987:
No point. The radio rom is the same as the original Touch HD radio.

1.10.25.25 / 52.57.25.30U
[Touch HD General] Magus_doc:
well my Radio is: 1.09.25.14/52.49a.25.26u. I'm on US ATT so if some one can drop in the Telstra rom i can give it a go, to c if 850 can be bought to life, it seems odd that they would take out the triband for 3G and go through the effort of replacing the hardware for just 850 / 900,:confused: may be it could just as well be triband like the manual stated and Rom switches the devise from picking up 850 or 900. Or Steve Jobs has total control over phone companies and is restricting any competition from entering US soil. That explains the 3G handicap for HD. :mad:
[Touch HD General] AllTheWay:
lol no thanks.

I think with the Telstra radio you still won't be able to get 3G. From what I have read the Telstra HD and the regular HD actually are two different models (ex. BLAC100 BLAC150)
[Touch HD General] brevi2:
In phone setting my HD has these band selections

GSM (900+1800)+UMTS(900+2100)

GSM (1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)

UMTS (2100+800)

What does this mean? Does it mean my phone could work on at&t? Cuz I will switch TODAY if someone say yes!!!!
[Touch HD General] Turb0wned:
You must have lots of money to throw away!!!!
[Touch HD General] Moony1987:
Not really. I just know how to budget and save so I can buy what I want.
[Touch HD General] tbfl:
Looking for a guinea pig....

Anyone with an Aussie HD on US AT&T yet ?

Please tell me yes and you have good news to report about the 3G....
[Touch HD General] ahmarchi:
well itsa weird guys..... 2 x i turned on my hd, and the G symbol came on!!!!!!! 2x... then the last time it happened to me.. i was driving... lost signal.. when it came back it was G!!!!!!!!!!!! it stayed G for i swear about 5 seconds, then went back to E... i tried to use screen capture as fast as i can but while driving it was hard.... i couldn't believe it... so yes i have had glimpses of 3g on US at&T with my touch hd.
[Touch HD General] d.cortez:
uhhh G means GPRS, which is the slowest speed on cell/windows mobile phones, as in slower than E for EDGE. for 3G, you'd see a 3G or H symbol. ;)