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[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
"root kit" is kind of an unfortunate name, don't ya think ;-)

Also, it seems like Google could certainly pull the download for violating Dev Distribution Agreement Section 4.4:

Finally, if you (or someone else) puts an app up there, people are going to download it and try it out. Inevitably some of them are going to be lazy idiots, and they're going to come to xda-dev and spam the dev board with the most inane and aggravating questions. Are you prepared to doom us to that? :p
[G1 Android Development] rsfaze:
I'd cancel my account :(
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
So just post the app online without putting it on the Market. Then the whole G1 world isn't stumbling across it, but you can pass the link to friends who would like root but who are too scared or too busy to go through the process themselves.
[G1 Android Development] rsfaze:
if they are too scared they shouldn't have root in the first place. You won't understand what Superuser is truly asking of you and give the wrong application permission then Tmobile will have an influx of calls about "damaged phones."

Busy people have friends like us that can always barter something out of them, just add to the long list of favors.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
My line of thought is, if user x can't follow the instructions in the stickies to get root, then he/she probably shouldn't have root access to begin with. I don't want my phone price to be subsidizing the cost of replacing returns from users who bricked (or mistakenly think they've bricked) their phones doing things that are not officially supported by T-Mo/HTC.

...just my $0.02.
[G1 Android Development] korndub:
i completely agree... if you cant read then root is not for you.... there are alot of posts that are well written
[G1 Android Development] JesusFreke:
It might even be possible to do a force reboot into bootloader. I know how to force-reboot into recovery, but I'm not sure if a similar method can force-reboot into the bootloader.
[G1 Android Development] gospeed.racer:
F the market, its a place for kids to hang out and yell "First" when their 3rd. What joke the Market has been. Cant get an honest review anymore, its all about Obama, gays, being first, and lack of "good games". :rolleyes: Nobody even cares that the app says "this is only a test, you probably shouldnt download it", they do and leave bad reviews. Idiots.

If something like this comes to fruition, make them come HERE for it, so their asses can be banned for being chilish:p
[G1 Android Development] Koush:
If i had a nickel for every noob that spammed the board right now...
[G1 Android Development] jdhorvat:
I really like the idea of putting it all in one complete package with as little user input as possible, but I don't think that the Android Market would be a suitable place to put it. People who don't even know what root is shouldn't have it offered to them. They should at least have to know enough to Google "root on android" and maybe be lead to one of our threads containing the link to this kit. If it goes on the market I would suggest not branding it in any way.

I support the root package idea in any case.
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
One of the issues for some people is that there *are* a lot of posts. To get from point A to point B I had to read through one sticky on how to downgrade to RC29, complete with many pages of replies in order to get a handle on possible problems and solutions, then another sticky on flashing to modified recovery image so that I could find how to install the test keys, then another stick on upgrading to JF1.3, again with many pages of replies with potential errors and solutions, and then I realized I hadn't done the engineering bootloader yet so I had to find another sticky to read through.

I did it, and it was easy, but, wanting to be safe, I had to spend several hours paging through stickies in order to make sure I had a good grasp on the whole picture.

I would not have minded having the process automated a bit. I know what I'm doing and I could have used that time for other things.

Additionally, I think it would cut down on questions from n00bs going step-by-step through stickies and making basic errors. Because right now they're still going to go through the stickies and make dumb mistakes and ask the same questions, and of that only a small fraction will understand what they're doing and take an interest in how bootloaders and recovery images work and become the sort of users that should have root.

As it is now, I don't see the stickies as being much of a barrier to entry for those who don't know what they're doing and might brick their phones. They're doing it anyway. Might as well give them something to do it for them so they don't brick the phone right off the bat, and don't flood forums with posts about encountering errors cause by typing errors.

Just my $0.02!
[G1 Android Development] avolovoy:
Well, i really don't think it's a good idea. Especially put it on the market. Have you guys read comments on the applications in general ? Look at comments for the Radar for example. There are a lot of people who shouldn't own a @smart@ phone in the first place.

To me :

People who really understand what they doing can follow the instructions ( they're re very good instructions i must say).

People who try to START radar app and then rated as one star - shouldn't be allowed anywhere near applications that updates your phone with root access.

So i think things are great as they are now.
[G1 Android Development] synthead:
IMO, two huge thumbs-down to automated apps like these. You're doing irreversable (to the end-user) mods to your phone, so do it by hand! In theory, it'll work, but in reality, something could go very wrong, and you may end up creating a streak of bricked phones. Plus, there's a lot more fun to have than just obtaining root, and the rest has to be done by hand primarily. So I don't think this really follows.
[G1 Android Development] hetaldp:
Rootkit is a bad name - We should call it as Jailbreak.apk

rootkit remind me some viruses in Windows.

make a .apk file and distributing at XDA is alsways a good idea

1.which can download recovery.img from any Server then check its MD5 checksum

2. If MD5 is correct save it to SDcard.

3. ask us to hit telnetd command, or Emulate keyboard to push that keystrock.

4. If Emulation is not possible it can alwasy se for Enter+telnetd+Enter keys and if it have be hit

5. Automatically make shell conection and flash recovery image JF style

Making such Application on Android Market is BAD IDEA, we can always host such application on Simple Web site like G1-JailBreak.com and get that apk
[G1 Android Development] Meeker:
Regarding the placement of an app on the market for rooting/jail breaking the phone I honestly believe that would be a bad idea for many of the reasons listed above. Additionally I also agree that if your not able to follow the instructions presented, or able to communicate in such fashion that someone else can help you, your only going to get into more trouble then it's worth for everyone involved. That said, I do agree that the stickies need some cleaning/summary as there are ALOT of them now. and some of them are to be honest a little dated, or not as relevant as before due to the amount of material in them that one has to sift through in order to find the information you need. Perhaps we need a to have one thread which summarizes and another that can act as somewhat of a table of contents soo as new information replaces older stuff, we can still see the front of the forums without traversing through 3 pages of stickies?

Additionally as an aside,To someone who commented they spent alot of time reading/re-reading/memorizing the instructions before doing the JF update, I don't think you where the only one.... I spent a couple neurotic bits reading/rereading instructions before i did it as well =)

Meeker
[G1 Android Development] LPChris:
Every single noob in the market will click right through and accept any app that wants root. They won't know any better. Do you have any idea how few people actually read the permissions that they give to regular apps?
[G1 Android Development] rsfaze:
just something I wanted to add to this. I can only assume the people that feel putting such an application in the market place is good, don't do tech support for a living.

People that don't know what they are doing keep me employed but if someone with a mouse and keyboard can destroy their computer, the last thing they need is root access on a phone they don't understand.

I'm with the majority, if you can read and follow directions and can understand what you are doing, root is for you. If you can't take the time out of your day to read and understand what you are doing, wait for Tmobile to release updates like the rest of the population.

my 2 cents well 4 cents now
[G1 Android Development] LPChris:
Now what would be really useful is an automated method of doing everything needed to install apps to the SD card for already rooted users. Looks like it could run all of the commands and install whatever files it needs automatically! :D
[G1 Android Development] danguyf:
Oh, yeah, I still think putting such an app on the Marketplace would be a terrible idea. I just wouldn't mind seeing one off-Market.
[G1 Android Development] Meeker:
I was just thinking of the same thing, if there was a more automated way, or if the mod'd revisions we used stripped the builds down to the basics... It would make alot of things easier, perhaps? =)
[G1 Android Development] deprecate:
It is a terrible idea on or off the Market. I have a few acquaintances who were playing with my phone and started googling to figure out how to root their G1s. That would be my fault as I should not have let them look at my phone :)

I soon get a phone call asking for help and sure enough, eventually they show up at my house with their all-but-bricked phones begging for help.

I also know someone who complains about how the phones don't allow everyone root direct from the store. My answer? "We don't get root on these phones because people like you will be asking people like me how to get out of the corners you backed yourself into."

Now I am by no means saying how awesome I am (I truly am though!) but unlike many, I like to fully understanding what I am getting into while having an escape plan in case something goes terribly wrong (nandroid is your friend!).

So yeah, I think the way things are setup now are almost too easy to follow; making it any easier may just force t-mobile/google to lock their phones down a bit more...or perhaps come up with something even worse.

Just my $.02
[G1 Android Development] Datruesurfer:
The problem I see here is that HTC is probably working on a new SPL that prevents downgrading, making such an app worthless. Instead, I would work on an app that simplifies things post-jailbreak such as theme install, etc. We could set up a market-esque type system that comes pre-installed on JF's ROM's so everything can be done on the phone itself without the use of a computer.
[G1 Android Development] OminousPrime:
I dunno, Koush - making it two taps away to get root access for the general consumer? A lot of whom might have the G1 as their first smartphone? Might be too much power for the unexperienced and lead to a ton of bricked phones.

Keep up your work, you're my hero for life for making the screenshot app and all your other work.
[G1 Android Development] techvd:
I take pride in being a techie as much as the next person on this forum but I think people need to ease up a little :)

People have had "root" on their desktop PCs with Windows for ages and somehow managed to do fine.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
If you are sampling from all Windows users, sure the percentage of users who ruin their install messing around with system files in the command line is small. However, if you were to make a rooting program available, the folks who download it will be those who are going to be messing around with system files. If you take into consideration only Windows users who are messing with system files, I think you're looking at a lot more problems. In addition, linux has little to no protection against overwriting or deleting data with many commands. Making a typo in dd or forgetting to add the full path in a rm command could have disastrous consequences. Windows otoh tends to protect its system files more carefully and doesn't provide dangerous command line tools like dd.

User abuse aside, there's also the consideration that there is a finite limit that T-Mo/HTC will tolerate unapproved gray-hat hacking. As soon as you make the move to offer a program that nearly automates that process on the Market (not to mention linking to the NBH, which is supposedly a HTC confidential copyright file), I think you're stepping into some very dubious territory. I would not be surprised if T-Mo/HTC pulled the file and sent whoever is hosting the NBH takedown notices.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] beeahead:
I've encountered this weird problem with the camera. The phone is brand new. When trying to take pictures, in the viewfinder and the pictures taken, it was blurry and ghostly, something exactly like this:

I have tried so many ways including hard-resetting, flashing to new ROMs and whatnot. Still none works. Any suggestions, please, I don't wanna send te phone all the way to HTC Turkey for repair, as HTC USA claims that my phone's serial number belong there. Thank you all.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] prjkthack:
I had a similar problem with my Fuze's camera. When I would take photos, it would look like static (meaning the image would not come out at all) but it would be colored exactly the way your photo is colored (the greens, purples, and oranges).

That phone also had a dead pixel on it, so I ended up returning it to an AT&T store, and they gave me a replacement. The problem did not exist on the new replacement phone, so i'm guessing its an issue with the camera.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] beeahead:
Thank you for your confirmation, I guess I've gotta try to contact HTC then since I've got my TouchPro on E-Bay.
[Touch Pro, Fuze General] irus:
my step dad had this problem on his iphone and he did a hard reset and it fixed the problem but i would say normally if this happens it is a problem with the ccd so i would try hard reset and dont' load any apps if it still does not work then RMA it :)
[Touch Diamond, MDA Compact IV General] yissas:
Hello

I have tried to access to some hotspots in hotels, airports, which usually have an open wifi access, but when you try to enter to web a web a page of the hotspots owner appears. The problem is that sometimes this webpage doesn't appear. Don't know why... any idea? thanks in advance and keep with the good work, this web is great!
[Touch 3G General] azahidi:
I noticed that battery icon disappears (on top bar right corner) when opening programs like phone, messaging, comm manager, etc. Is this normal or it's some flaw on my set ? Does anyone experience this situation ? :confused:

Thank you.

Updated 12-01-09

I installed Ariel battery monitor Ariel Battery Monitor 2009 v2.1 WM6 by Sunny127

link http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=364278

Not only the battery icon stays regardless whatever program is opened, the icons comes in colors and shows the %.
[Touch 3G General] uterrorista:
Here, it also happens.

Is it normal or bug?
[Touch 3G General] sas_sas:
I have noticed the same..

It is WM6.1 s std behaviour I assume..
[Touch 3G General] neurocutie:
I think it is standard 6.1 behavior. There is a freeware app Vista Battery Gauge which puts a colorful, unobtrustive battery gauge on nearly every screen/app.
[Touch 3G General] svencho:
Hello

it's normal :)
[Touch HD General] huyish:
when i turn on phone on it appear the green screen with windows mobiel it wont run system anyone can help??
[G1 Android Development] zeroblackpimp:
I have tried to upgrade to rc30 modified but i couldn't due to the fact i i had a windows 2000 and i wasn't able to use the cmd properly... i have a mac osx now... is there any instructions in how to downgrade to from ota rc30 to rc29 then upgrade to the modified rc30.. i would appreciate this help if someone could get me instructions
[G1 Android Development] korndub:
hey, im a mac user too....the instructions for cmd/terminal/shell work on mac...just follow the same instructions and PM me if you need help...
[G1 Android Development] coolbho3000:
Android development in general should (currently) work even better for OSX and Linux than for Windows.
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
More important than what operating system you're running is the ability to read the stickies and understand what they're saying. :o
[G1 Android Development] korndub:
i completely agree... well put jashsu... but mac seems to be most compatible out of the box...lol...
[G1 Android Development] jashsu:
Theoretically Ubuntu 8.04 should be the absolute most compatible for Android development currently, as that is what Google references in the sdk docs. Mac should be very similar, as it's partially built on BSD. Any experience with unix shells would give one a big jumpstart with Android hacking. However a lot of Mac users (Windows users too) have never touched the command line before. Which is a shame...
[G1 Android Development] korndub:
yes that really is too bad...commandline is fun and flexible...and sometimes quicker....
[Touch 3G General] foxx3001:
i got some problem , i dunno where to seek , what the keyword to search....

need some help here....

the icon at the top right corner of my touch flo missing.....so i cant view , close or swap within the opened application.......

anybody what the name of the icon?
[Touch 3G General] azahidi:
The icon at the top right hand corner does not belong to TF. It belongs to WM as I understand. A soft reset may be a solution.
[Touch 3G General] foxx3001:
thanx for the response , i already found the solution

the name of the icon is quick menu button

start > settings > system tab > task manager > button tab > check "enable quick menu on today screen"
[General Questions and Answers] hinix:
Hi, i'm new on this forum, and i have few questions about Manila (big thanks for authors ;) ).

1. Where can I find description of files (I mean what file is for what ;) )

2. It's all in XML?

3. How can I get Manila files?

4. How can I edit these files? Can I edit in 'on the fly' files from my PDA (I mean directly in Hermes or copy few files into PC, edit, upload to PDA and SR) or do everything in PC and compile?

5. Finally, software for that :)

Thanks for answers, regards :)

Sory for my English, i'm from Poland.
[General Questions and Answers] AthenaLod:
Here is a very detailed explanation of the settings file (HTCHomeSettings.xml):

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=427531

try to search for the others, there is a lot, especially themes.
[General Questions and Answers] hinix:
hmmm, thanks, but i found this too. But I think about edit tabs or something like that. So I want to know much more than only HTCHomeSettings.xml. But it's better than nothing.

'try to search for the others' - do you mean use search to find descripson for every files one by one? :/ themes? I think about deeper editing :)
[General Questions and Answers] joel2009:
You can only edit resourse files, we don't have the source for the program.... in other words, just about everything you can edit is in the the htchomesettings .xml (and the files it calls)
[General Questions and Answers] _fm:
joel was right,.

until now, we need to edit the HTCHomeSetting.XML,. and the file it calls,.

like modifying clock, etc,.
[General Questions and Answers] hinix:
Thanks, this exactly is that what i want read ;)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] buugtdbgt:
hi is it possible to downgrabe from mobile 6.1 to 6.0? and when everi start up pocket gba it freezes when i rpess anything. thanks!!!!
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
Yes it is possible to down grade.

Can't help , I have a PSP and actually use my phone as a phone:)
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Yes and HTC should be responsible for their bugs/poor firmware

I complained to HTC in person about reliability issues with the HTC TyTN II WM 6.1 'upgrade that was more of a downgrade' (pausing, GPS perfomance issues, phone not ringing when calls came in - these were just some of the issues I experienced) and they reverted it all for free under warranty for me. Even though I still have the original WM 6.0 ROM, the Radio and SPL (other code programmed onto the phone) are slightly newer & fix a few bugs with the original setup so my device is now super reliable. Why not give that a try? Even if they won't revert it, there'll still be ways of doing it yourself if needed but if your phones under warranty and you're experiencing problems with their setup, really it should be up to them to fix it for you. Let us know how you get on.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] buugtdbgt:
ya those dicks wont downgrade it for me. can anyone show me steps to downgrade to 6.0 maybe even 5.0? :)?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
The wiki is your friend

Why not, what did they say and which country HTC (you've not filled in your country or network on the User Control Panel/Profile)? You won't be able to downgrade to WM 5 because the TyTN II only came out with WM 6.0 or 6.1 but if you read the wiki, all the info you need to do it is in there. People here won't hold your hand through it, you'll need to do your own research and make sure you understand fully so you don't make a mistake. If it's a reliable WM 6.0 setup you're after on a WWE HTC TyTN II Kaiser (ie HTC Branded), then the components in my sig are a good combination other than very occasional sluggish keyboard responses when typing.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] buugtdbgt:
ok but before i downgrade can i ask you a quick favor? can you donwload the latest version of pocket gba and tell me if it freezes when loading a rom for you?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Now I have my TyTN II set up as I like it (by and large), I'm not looking to do any ROM 'loading'... I'm not even sure what that means in fact. If your program is WM 6.0 compatible and you don't have any other conflicting software it should work on the native WM 6 HTC ROM but as you haven't answered all the other questions about what you currently have, it's hard to say if it'll work for you.:eek: Maybe someone else more familiar with this product knows about its general compatibility.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] buugtdbgt:
dot dot dot >>;;;xD pocketgba is a emulator a program not a rom -.-; the only reason wHy i want to downgrade is because i wanna know if it works with 6.0 b/c it freezes on 6.1
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] bronx:
so let me tell you it works, but doesn't work well. there is no gba emu for kaiser which can play games with decent fps.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] argoran:
I have a similar problem I'm out of warranty so no use going to HTC they said they'd only put the latest which is 6.1 as they are contractually obliged by law - so where would I get hold of wm6.0 so I can revert mine back from 6.1 to 6.0?
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] Flying Kiwi:
Well then they broke the law with me. 'Contractually obliged', what a load of rubbish.:mad: It takes 2 to have a valid contract and if one party doesn't want WM 6.1 then there cant be a contract.

There are WM 6.0 ROMs accessible through a link on the wiki (a chart that shows different ROM versions with their matching Radios). You'll need to read up to know what you're doing first, otherwise if you don't want the hassel, pay a phone repair shop to do it for you.
[Tilt, TyTN II, MDA Vario III General] denco7:
I think they mean contractually obligated to Microsoft. They piss and moan about anybody offering any Windows based rom for any longer than they are contracted to. This means new or older roms.