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[Touch HD General] HelderJr:
You get 4mp in the photos taken in widescreen resolution (16:10). If you choose to take them in the normal resolution (4:3), then you´ll have 5mp photos ;)
[Touch HD General] digitall1982:
hello to all

the blur camera problem is because camera automaticaly goes to "night mode" in low light conditions, or even in not so low light conditions. if there any posibility to turn off that function - problem solved.

maybe someone can make that kind of tweak?
[Touch HD General] :
any ideas anyone?
[Touch HD General] arfster:
That makes sense - more megapixels does nothing for picture quality in a sensor unit this size, all it does is add noise (which then have to be blurred out by software denoise). I reckon about 3mpixels would be optimal, anything more is counter-productive.

For example, the best compact camera for picture quality is the ancient Fuji f31, a 6mpixel model. Modern cameras have gone all the way up to 15mpixels in compacts, which is utterly counter productive. You actually have the insane situation where DSLRs, with massively bigger sensors than compact cameras, have less mpixels! Most APS-C dslrs are 10-11 mpixels, all the manufacturerss agree that's the optimal, and purchasers aren't so stupid as to chase more mpixels as in the compact camera/mobilephone market.
[Touch HD General] mallman:
i would also like to know this because I think you are right
[Touch HD General] :
so any ideas in regards how we fix it?
[Touch HD General] digitall1982:
sure i'm right :)

when i take n95 or k850 and switch it to night mode i got exactly the same result. with video too.

shutter become awffuly slow and blur occur.

trying to find something in registry but unsuccessful for now :(
[Touch HD General] :
well i tweaked settings using Tweak HD for delay of 3 seconds and the tweaks in at the top of this forum and it made it s;ightly better but blur is still there.... so anything anyone can do would help.
[Touch HD General] MacDegger:
Using other white balance settings (anything other than auto and night mode) seems to cut a few hundred milliseconds off the shutter tiime...but it's hardly noticable. What still seems to take the most time is the zoom-in-zoom-out auto focus 'feature'/bug. IMO, anyway.
[Touch HD General] jon-:
When it's dark the shutter needs to stay open for longer to let more light in, hence the blur.

Tweaking the brightness up also increases the length the shutter is open for.

The speed at which it takes photos is t he main issue, as you can see on the screen it's already focused just fine, which does it need to refocus.
[Touch HD General] SomethingWicked:
on my polaris, turning off the shutter sound made the shutter much quicker. did that on my hd and still got blurry pics :( but maybe its a small step in the right direction...
[Touch HD General] Bhuddymahn:
Click here for some pics made by my HD with standard settings (all +3). Really like the pics outdoor, inside it's terrible.
[Touch HD General] rhtizzy:
try cleaning your lens with some alcohol? If you get a finger on the lens, it might look clean after a rub, but the grease off your digits would blur the picture..
[Touch HD General] digitall1982:
is there any program for capturing photos for winmo just to try out?
[Touch HD General] BANE:
you mean like a third party program which will capture?

I seem to remember something from Ateksoft which did this I THINK... not web cam plus, but another program.

Anyone corroberate this?

BANE
[Touch HD General] digitall1982:
yep

just to try out how fast will be shutter on low light
[Touch HD General] Everdog:
I think this is exactly right. The camera lens is so tiny and it needs to bring in a lot of light. If it is not very bright the lens stays open longer and causes blur. It also needs light for the auto focus to work properly.

My HD works great IF there is a lot of light.
[Touch HD General] Meza1:
It may have a small lens, but compare it to other phones with similar size lenses - like most Sony's, k850 for example. The HD is not anywhere in the league of these unless it is bright, bright daylight.

In less than perfect conditions the HD camera represents taking a £5 webcam photo and blowing it up to 5mp. :(
[Touch HD General] digitall1982:
omnia has about same size lens and no such problems
[Touch HD General] :
bump - updated
[Touch HD General] rhtizzy:
There's no way you're gonna get the HD to do 3MP on burst or sport. Even on 1MP these two modes don't always get it going..

Besides that:

- White Balence -> Auto

- Widescreen -> On

- Flicker Adjustment -> Auto

Wouldn't advise these settings either.
[Touch HD General] noris08:
same here: burst and sport generaly crash the camera application

however i managed to make burst mode works once, but the quality is less then worse
[Touch HD General] igorp:
I have employed abovementined settings. Unfortunatly, I don't see any difference in the camera operations before and after. Auto-focus is still there and is still annoying and couses blur of moving objects as it was without these changes.
[Touch HD General] :
Well as I said these are the current tweaks I have done based on bits I have read here and there. What we rally need is the issue fixed ie. the blur camera problem - night mode!
[Touch HD General] dazza9075:
what i dont understand is i have an old digital camera that has the exact same blur / lighting traits as the HD, to fix it all i do is turn off the flash and the auto lighting options, obviously this doesnt work in the dark but even in low light conditions i get good snaps and strangely enough they are more colour accurate then with them on, as you would expect a camera to be.

As previously mentioned it appears to be the software trying to fix the lighting thats making it a blur, so why on earth cant they turn it all off, i want simple RAW data from whatever lighting hits the CCD, looking at the options on the camera there is the option to change the format, but no other format to change it too, that strikes me as a bit odd too, why the option menu but no option?

So many questions an yet no answers, what a shame for a great device.
[Touch HD General] custardo01:
I think you have a very good point and makes me think that there is too much auto going on which surely could be fixed with a software "hot fix" to give more manual options. Can only hope!
[Touch HD General] digitall1982:
i just can't believe there is no third party camera software for winmo.. i was used one on symbian without any problem..
[Touch HD General] :
can someone pin this to stop duplicate messages on the topic of the camera?
[Touch HD General] Kohozga:
Camera Doesn't save pictures

I've run this strange problem that I can't save photos in normal camera mode other modes: contacts Picture, panorama etc. work just fine (I haven't enabled extra modes) also videos recorded with camera works just fine.

What happens:

When I take picture everything works ok to the point where picture has been taken but after that I get this "multicolor waiting circle" which tells you that WinMo is doing something and the phone freezes about 30 to 60 seconds until it comes back to camera application, but nothing has actually been saved. Sometimes I get this message:

Unable ro switch camera preview mode. Failed to set up the camera device.

To this point I have tried numerous things but none of them worked. I have narrowed it down to be some kind of software issue or conflict because I backed up my device with Sprite backup and did hard reset and after that camera worked ok, but after I restores my device Camera bug appeared again.

I have Advanced config and HD Tweak installed but I haven't changed any settings that concerns camera or picture locations

Here's complete list of installed Programs if someone could figure out what's causing this:

Advanced Configuration tool 3.2 -> Default camera and picture settings

Adobe Flash Lite for opera

Asynckiller

Coreplayer

Gecko

Glassclock_v1

Google Maps

GRemotesetup

Gyrator 2 -> I suspect this

HD Tweak -> Default camera and picture settings

Hotfix Bla02889

Hotfix Bla00241

Hotfix Bla00780

Hotfix Bla03337

Lumous

Modaco AppToDate

Modaco NoData

Ms .Net Configuration

MS -NEt 3.5

Resco Explorer

Resco Registry Add-in

Sprite Backup

Spd Sudoku

SD TuneUp

Tom Tom Navigator

Touchresponse

Weather database editor

WVGAFIX3
[Touch HD General] custardo01:
I use Gyrator 2 and don't get such problems. It sounds like a Tweak gone wrong so my money would be on Advanced Config Tools or HD Tweak - I could be wrong of course ;-)

Edit: Wait a minute it's not the HTC Hotfix for the viewfinder noise problem is it? I just read you have not tweaked anything with the camera so maybe it's a hotfix update thing conflict?
[Touch HD General] Kohozga:
I had the problem before viewfinder Hotfix so it can't be that
[Touch HD General] frederikk:
About the camera, for me the diamond camera is better than the touch HD one... my collegue got a diamond, and pictures are better... so is the problem comes only from software ?

Ciao

Fred
[Touch HD General] eAzYE666:
Hi all,

I agree with most of you here, the camera is not the best feature of the HD. One more tip, did not see it in the posts:

The video camera option is also very slow, the viewfinder is so slow, it reminds me of the first generation camera phones. However, when changing the format from MPEG4 to H.263, it seems to be more fluidly.

Just a question: there was mentioned in some replies that the shuttertime was influenced by the switch to 'night mode':

Would this be solved by switching off the option "Verlichting behouden" (Dutch) or (I suppose in English) "Keep light" (don't know the English term, but it's the first option of the second screen of Advance Settings of the Video camera???

Anyone?
[Touch HD General] pxl:
Same problem fr me but with no gyrator 2 installed

the problem persist afrete the camera hot fix!!

HELP ME!!!!!
[Touch HD General] Koffein Schluck:
You have changed something in Advanced Config Tool , it called auto portrait mode or something like hhis, just turn it OFF (default) and everything will be fine :)
[Touch HD General] Kohozga:
Thanks This Did It:D
[Touch HD General] animage:
For the camera of the Kaiser / Tytn II there has been a special move to get better pictures (the camera is suffering the same problems!).

I think it was like switching the device off and on while holding the camera with your finger so it thinks that there is a dark environment. I could not reproduce this one for blackstone though. But it's maybe worth a look...!
[Touch HD General] :
so how was it fixed.... does the hotfix from HTC help?
[Touch HD General] :
bump - could this be pinned?
[Touch HD General] kkchan:
Hi,

May I know what does "turn it OFF (default) " meant? Use default or...? I tried, nomatter what option I choose, my camera will just freeze once I set Burst/Sport resolution to 3 meg.

Thank you
[Touch HD General] dasfliege:
hey guys.

i also very disappointed with the hd camera, as the 5mp camera was one of the reasons for me to buy the HD.

i'm playing around with the registy settings for the camera, but didn't found anything useful until now. at least i found a way to display the framerate. so you will see excatly if your tweaks has any impact:

get a registry too and set the following key to "1":

HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/Common/EnableFrameRateInfo

Now you will see that you only have 3.8 fps in dark light conditions. in lighty conditions it goes up to 13, which is still very bad. every other cameraphone can take videos at 30fps, which is ok.

Perhaps it makes it a bit easier for you guys to check if you're modifications are affecting the performance....

i'm pretty sure that it is not a hardware, but a software problem. The X1 has also been amanufactured by HTC and it doesn't have such problems. i've also read from someone who took over the X1 camera app to the HD and it was much faster. perhaps someone has a X1 and will share it's camera app with us to try out...?
[Touch HD General] SpamX:
Can you tell me what is wrong with my HTC HD camera? Since the Hotfix install (?) the photos and videos are almost b&w, no colors... I tried to change the settings (whote balance), effects (actuelly to Normal)... Where all colors have gone?
[Touch HD General] dasfliege:
lol. nice effect though :)
[Touch HD General] :
have not installed any hotfix due to reported errors. At the moment the tweaks at the start have done me. I would like the blur problem solved though as discussed earlier in this thread e.g. instant photo day or night
[Touch HD General] mammamu:
Is that child supposed to be black then?

;)
[Touch HD General] garyjmobey:
slightly off topic....

what do you make of this (x1 camera app on hd maybe)

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=477473
[Touch HD General] SpamX:
The same HTC HD camera, the same child, the same shoting conditions, the same backpack (!)... a week earlier.

What has happend?
[Touch HD General] NiGhTTraX:
Change the Saturation in the camera's settings to +5
[Touch HD General] SpamX:
YES! Saturation! It was saturation, at last I found it. Thanks a lot!
[Touch HD General] dasfliege:
i'm getting f***ing sick with this damn camera. i already missed a lot of nice pics, because this damn camera is not working at all on bad light conditions.

has someone already tried to change all the regkeys in "HKLM/Software/HTC/Camera/" and check what they are doing exactly? If not, i will do that. I'm getting more and more angry on HTC, as they are not able to ship a device which is working from a to z.

Even the iPhone camera takes better pictures. What a shame...
[Touch HD General] bigdeal88:
can some one please tell me how to shorten the time for focusing and taking the pictures? i miss a lot of pictures becoz of the time taken too long to shoot..
[Touch HD General] bugsykoosh:
That means you're in the same range as the Fuze: http://www.fuzemobility.com/?p=1605

I think this is the underlying issue
[Touch HD General] garyjmobey:
post 1 on

http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=477473
[Touch HD General] dasfliege:
yeah, seems like it's the same problem on most htc devices. thanks for the link, didn't know this site before...

does someone know if the X1 has the same camera hardware as the blackstone? If so, we can be sure that the problem is definately a crappy camera app on our lovely device...
[Touch HD General] :
Further discussion here: http://xdaforums.com/showthread.php?t=443516
[Touch HD General] HTCHDuser:
I can't understand, there is no one here to focus an htc hd camera problem, i meen shake on video mode, and unable to make video in poor condition of light? I test LG Chocolate and in foto mode in poor light condition act like my htc, but in video mode is very stable, no shake! Whay that? From what setting they do that? Somebody with skils in registry culd try to find whitch setting to change to do the job. Please somebody try this. Thank's. (sory for my english)
[Touch HD General] dazza9075:
i dont believe its a registery problem, its the whole damn thing, i only hope its not the hardware.

If it is software then "touch wood" android might be able to prove it, least we will have an idea whats wrong, but in my opinion we need

A, turn off auto focus,

B, enable RAW file formats

C, disable auto lighting

IE, we need pure CCD data thats not been messed about with and dumped to a file, that should at least improve responce times and low light photos

Auto focus is great for static shots but its the main reason why this camera sucks if anything is slightly moving.

course, all that is driver / software related and not a damn thing we can do about it. Im by no means an android fan but it would be useful to get some idea if its possible to get good shots, that is assuming they can get the camera working!!
[Touch HD General] crashDebug:
did you guys check the new touchflo3d from topaz/rhodium ? the camera app seems updated and hugely improved even in poor/indoor light conditions

of course it is NOT a great camera, but it will never ever be will it
[Touch HD General] funk1980:
The camera quality in e.g. Dutty's Xtreme series is indeed slightly better. But not enough to make me completly satisfied with the functionality and quality...
[Touch HD General] O and O:
Is there a seperate CAB file for the updated camera?
[Touch HD General] HTCHDuser:
Same here - >Is there a seperate CAB file for the updated camera? Or something else to modify.. where...

I can't belive there is no way to improve video recording on htc hd. If enyone say that, i give up and search another ppc
[Touch HD General] Amp34:
To me there appear to be two main problems listed in this thread:

1. Blurred images in dark(er) conditions

2. Slow shooting from when pressing the shutter button

Well IMO they are hardware problems, that may be cureable within software updates. The problem (when compared to other phones mentioned) is that the HD has no IR or light on the back. Coming from a SE k750/800/850 background the reason they are faster to focus and not as "blurred" is because they use a focus assist light, which speeds up the time taken for the camera to lock onto aut0focus.

This happens even with top of the range SLR's, if there is not enough light it won't focus or take a lot longer. In actual fact the HD is pretty good in comparison, becuase it seems to be able to get a lock (although the resulting photo is motion blurred) in conditions that my DSLR would have real trouble with. The same problem occured with the SE phones, if you turned off the light/flash the autofocus would take a long time and the photos would come out blurred...

Having said that a software update to allow you to do the equivilent of focus lock before you shoot would be good, and I assume not too difficult, although you don't have the benefit of being able to half press the shutter button, although maybe a 2 part shutter button could solve it, where you rolled between the top half (the focus lock) and he bottom half (shutter).

So TBH guys (although I do find the motion blur a bit annoying in dark conditions) there is nothing wrong with the camera, you are just expecting miracles from a phone with no light/flash at the back.

EDIT: Just testing it it takes about two seconds to shoot my LCD monitor (bright subject) which, whilst not up there with a DSLR (with a fast lens) seems IME to be around the ballpark for my previous phones and compacts to focus lock and shoot. In darker conditions it took about 5 seconds, which again can be annoying, is no different to a compact or my older phones without the help of flash.
[Touch HD General] dazza9075:
My old XDA II set up to the same MP settings knockes the socks of this camera in terms of speed, i agree you cant compare this to a standalone device but it is justifiable to compare it to an several year obsolete model from the same company, it is by and large the single most enoying feature of the whole device.

Im going to RMA it anyway because my HD has this daft red tint to a large portion of the CCD so fingers crossed i get a new model or software!

....wishfull thinking....
[Touch HD General] monzablue16v:
Just been playing with the camera again, when inside set the white balance to incandescent, the one with a lightbulb, stops nightmode and nice clear pics when inside even in poor light. Auto white balance puts it into night mode. Try it and see what you get guys :)
[Touch HD General] arfster:
Indoors the problem is simple: it needs to do exposures of 1/3 second, for whatever reason (minutely tiny aperture, only at 100ISO?).

Even a dslr will take a rubbish picture if it has to leave the lens open that long, as there's no way to avoid blur. On top of that, the camera has to heavily denoise because 5mpixels is far too many to squeeze into such a tiny sensor. It's inevitable you end up with an utter mess of a picture.
[Touch HD General] monzablue16v:
Mine is now taking fine photos, blur free :)
[Touch HD General] Techvir:
I had read it some where else too and this really helps in solving the blurry images indoor... :D

THe issue of delay in taking pictures still occurs :mad:
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
It's not the cameras fault cause the image quality is beautiful, the problem is that it tries to compensate with its the 2.8 aperture whenever there is a dark environment and slows down. Whenever it is in a well lit area, it moves fluidly.
[Touch HD General] Koffein Schluck:
The RHODIUM ROMS have a new camera... :eek:

Is there a CAB for the updated HTC Camera?

How good is it? are the Photos still blured?

I don´t want to flash my ROM again...

Or can someone please post his updated rhodium ROM camera.exe ?
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Not sure if these are exactly what your looking for. Dutty provided these cabs for his Rhodium rom's.

EDIT

I haven't noticed any real difference in the camera quality. You still get blurriness and need all things living not to move to be able to get a crisp shot!!
[Touch HD General] Koffein Schluck:
The provided cabs include a downgrade for the camera ;) look at the filename, If you dont like the new camera you can install the old camera.cab and enjoy the old one...

Nice said... thats a pitty :(
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
I did notice that, i suppose I should have explained it better. As you rightly said it was to give the option to revert back if you didn't like it. But thanks for the heads up :D
[Touch HD General] Koffein Schluck:
an someone please post the new Camera.exe ?
[Touch HD General] Psygnosis84:
I used my brothers Omnia last night and it's camera app blows the Blackstone one away, even it's panoramic photo is heaps better than the crappy one on our phone.

Hopefully it's a just a firmware fix or maybe we can port the Omnia version to the HD.
[Touch HD General] Fallen Spartan:
Omnia camera couldn't be ported to the HD. Hardware on each camera is different
[Touch HD General] Koffein Schluck:
Hey Fallen Spartan,

please post the new Camera EXE :(
[Touch HD General] Major_Sarcasm:
Dunno if this is any use at all. I just grabbed all the files that started with 'camera' from my windows directory and zipped them (attached).

Unzip them to your windows directory (overwrite originals, backup first!) and see what happens. You'll probably need to run Dutty's 5mp enable cab (which is a bunch of registry settings) too (attached).

I doubt this'll work, but you never know. Let me know how you get on. The new camera has no zoom, but does have an ISO selector in the options, so you'll know the difference.
[Touch HD General] drmurti:
poor camera

I tried the files. Copied into \Windows folder.

Still BLUR poor pictures.

Still Lag after focused. Takes 3-4 seconds to take a photo.

No texts on buttons in options.

How can HTC make such a poor camera in a device worth of 1000 EUROs ?

I also own an Omnia, Camera is x10 better. But on Omnia WiFi sucks!
[Touch HD General] jouh:
This photo is taken with my Blackstone.
[Touch HD General] Major_Sarcasm:
Looks clear. What settings did you use?
[Touch HD General] jouh:
Brightness: +1.5

Quality: Superfine

Contrast: 4

Saturation: 4

Sharpness: 4
[Touch HD General] vangrieg:
I'm using a self-cooked ROM with Camera app from Topaz and it's a million times better than the one that comes with the stock ROM. No miracles, but it makes shots much faster and therefore it's possible take pictures of your friends in a bar or something like that.

I'm away from my PC and roaming so I can't upload a cab though. Maybe someone else will. If not I can do it in a week or so, but of course there are no guarantees that it'll work on stock ROMs.
[Touch HD General] Ineedtoys:
Obviously taken outside in the sun, and plenty of people have already said the HD works fine in those conditions. So it hasn't got much to do with the problems in this thread, has it?
[Touch HD General] Wiggz:
To be fair i've followed this thread since I bought a Blackstone.....I tried the guy above's settings and I took some decent pictures inside with little blur....this is the first time I've found a combo that does a decent job inside.

Give them a go