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[Google Pixel 8 Pro] simplepinoi177:
yeah, the "fingerprint" we've all been using has just been confirmed to have been banned. no amount of "playcurl" will work because there's a tweet/announcement in the PIF thread where even the xiaomi.eu devs have 0 working fingerprints to give for playcurl to pull from....

we're all SOL for now....
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] awarman:
Tell me about it. It's our phone, let us do what we want.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
If I'm getting locked in to a closed system, why don't I just switch to 🍎. I chose android for the open platform. This decision from Google makes absolutely no sense.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] awarman:
I agree. There is a new OS based on Android that I'm hearing about but certain things like text to speech aren't working which is basically a deal breaker for me. Apple is no better though, so that doesn't solve your problems either. It's trading one evil for the other.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] chill145:
Don't worry everyone, every company plays cat and mouse games and Google will probably fix it in a couple days. /sarcasm
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] nutzfreelance:
the problem is that google is providing the service and we are complaining that google is NOT doing enough for FREE.

RCS has been a standard since before 2010 and is it supported by the carriers? NO

its google that is providing the service. ( any way they want)

SMS is just data sent a particular way, there is no reason why

RCS cannot be sent the same way without google being in control of it.

but that would cost somebody some money.. mostly google in data acquisition or apple in closed features in their walled garden or at&t in upgrading something somewhere.

The GOVERNMENT has MANDATED BASIC OPEN STANDARDS for TV, RADIO, and hundred other methods of communication!

why not for SECURE and SAFE Messaging on the largest communications platform in the world?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Spookymyo:
I'm having the same issue as others. RCS was broken, then v15.9.8 was released and that fixed the problem. A few days later RCS isn't working again. Tried clearing all google data and restarting the phone and that didn't help.

On Play integrity API checker it's failing Meets device integrity and of course strong integrity, and passing Basic integrity. On YASNAC though, it's showing a pass on basic integrity and CTS profile match.

What's odd is that Google wallet and Gpay are working fine.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
Wouldn't that make it a monopoly and possibly subject to lawsuits?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] nutzfreelance:
is SMS or MMS a monopoly?

Rich Communication Services - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The GSMA published the Universal Profile in November 2016.[18] The Universal Profile is a single GSMA specification for advanced communications. Carriers that deploy the Universal Profile guarantee interconnection with other carriers. As of early 2017, there were 47 mobile network operators, 11 manufacturers, and 2 OS providers (Google and Microsoft) that had announced their support of the Universal Profile.[19] Google's Jibe Cloud platform is an implementation of the RCS Universal Profile, designed to help carriers launch RCS quickly and scale easily.[20]

In early 2020, it was estimated that RCS was available from 88 operators in 59 countries with approximately 390 million users per month.[9] By November 2020, RCS was available globally in Google Messages on Android, provided directly by Google if the operator does not provide RCS.[10] By 2023, there were 800 million active RCS users on Google's platform and 1.2 billion handsets worldwide supporting RCS.[11]

google is driving the direction and it should a standard that everyone and everything can access just like sms and mms was.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Eula13:
atleast if you are properly jailbroken there, they don't break imessage, and even apple pay
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
Google has a monopoly on RCS in, well, at least the states. Sometimes I forget this is a global forum.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] nutzfreelance:
google does not have a monopoly, they have android messaging and a server.

and since the carriers will not spend the money to have a RCS server you are stuck with google.

demand your carrier has a server. and google will not have your data.

and RCS will work with any RCS app for a good 30 years just like sms did
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
So what do we do in the meantime? Disable RCS in Settings? Find a different messaging app? I mean, I need my messages.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] awarman:
Yes, disable RCS.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ducter:
Honestly, I've went back to stock and it infuriates me. I'm self employed and missed a whole slew of messages and had no idea. I've been an android users since day 1 with the T-Mobile g1 and can not recall a time that Google bothered screwing with the few that go outside the box like they have recently.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] awarman:
They didn't used to. They're not the same company anymore.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
Can we get a confirmation that pif update fixes RCS?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Spookymyo:
I have a small business too. I use Google Voice so that I have a different number than my personal number for my business. And I can change it any time I need to. It doesn't have RCS and never gets affected by rooting.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ducter:
Yeah, I actually signed up for the business gv and ported my number over some years back but I didn't find it worked well enough. I ported it back to T-Mobile. Suppose I could give it another go, see if it's improved.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
Can confirm newest pif update fixes RCS
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] murphyjasonc:
RCS stopped working for me a couple days ago but as of this morning it's working again. I'm rooted using Sultan's kernel play integrity fix by chiteroman and play curl
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ultraman666:
How did you get hey it to work, I installed the lastest update and still no rcs
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Used PF to spoof a new FP. 100 failed last night, first one successful today.

No update to Play Integrity Fork, either.

SO weird how Google does this
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] cabagekiller:
RCS is broken for me again. Passing device and basic. But now it says "RCS chats are not available for this phone." Anyone else notice this?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
Wipe data and cache of messages, reboot. Activate RCS, should work.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Mine looks like it's still good to go bu I can't test it at 5AM lol.

I'll see how it goes when my team starts messaging me later this morning
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] travisjshepherd:
It takes like 5 minutes after wipe before it's available
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
What's weird to me is that I do an integrity check through play store and get MEETS BASIC but lost MEETS DEVICE INTEGRITY. I still have RCS I think?

How does one test to know if they have RCS or not? Call a friend and confirm through text?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] BarackMitzvah:
Try to send an RCS message to someone else, it will fail or fallback to SMS
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ultraman666:
Yep tried that before I posted, still no rcs, very weird
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
I thought so. I did this and still have RCS... This is such a **** show. Talk about lowered expectations of both ISPs and Google here.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] BarackMitzvah:
Lucky! I truly wish RCS functionality had nothing to do with Play Integrity, I don't see a reason why it would be
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Guys, I don't know the difference between Play Integrity Fix and Play Integrity Fork since both Chiterman and osm0sis both have their hands on both mods.

I use the Fork with Zygist, Deny List turned off and I use PixelFlasher to spoof and install fingerprints.

Obviously, when Google bans Fingerprints, I lose everything, too but when things started working again, I only went to PF and the first Xiaomi FP I pulled restored both Device and Basic and everything works again.

And I didn't have to update P.I-Fork
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] simplepinoi177:
If you're just checking in Google Messages Settings "RCS chats", you'll find you're probably still verified, but if you go to anyone you know for sure is using Google Messages and go to the details (of the text thread), you'll find E2EE is "Off" -- this is how it is for me. It's very confusing that RCS chats is green but you have to go to a RCS contact to see if it's red or not...

Also it's been established that DroidGuard does infrequent checks and can sometimes take up to 48 hours to hammer down...

PIF hardcodes the custom working fingerprint, while PIFork is a standalone module that inserts a custom fingerprint file. Playcurl still works on the original PIF as chiteroman coded it to basically overwrite the hardcoded fingerprint with what playcurl pulls.

But that's basically the difference between PIF and PIFork -- PIF usually needs to be updated with the hardcoded fingerprint to begin to work again, PIFork doesn't (just run playcurl); it goes to show how PIFork is made more futureproof & stable than the original. Also, according to osm0sis, chiteroman keeps messing with PIF and having to backtrack and release a new version constantly because of the various bugs and glitches -- is what makes PIFork superior (IMHO).

I know you most likely know all of this @HipKat and I'm not trying to insult your experience; this part is supplemental info for all the other casual readers....
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Actually, I did know how PI Fork worked but having not used PI Fix, I didn't know the difference. I appreciate the explanation, which further enforces my decision to use osm0sis mod!
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] simplepinoi177:
from his odds and ends megathread...

with him recently pointing out reflecting how much...

just some more food for thought....
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] cmorin543:
Installed the latest PIF and PlayCurl, cleared cache/data on Play Protect Service, Play Services, and Messages app, rebooted and RCS appears to be working again.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] borisSweden:
Yes, its called RCS UP without Google proprietary crap they add, its just a simple IM service.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] nutzfreelance:
[Update: Samsung Only] Google Messages has a hidden RCS API for third-party apps

The Google Messages app has a hidden Android Messages API that could let third-party messaging apps send RCS messages.

www.xda-developers.com

3 years ago on samsung only.

there should be a petition to demand google open RCS to any app developer with a direct API just like SMS and MMS

( i assume no one has any idea if RcsService on the P8P can be accessed some way?

com.shannon.recservice)

Google celebrates 1 billion RCS users with emoji-filled messaging features

A little more fun is on the way to Google Messages.

www.theverge.com

>“We are actively working with the GSMA — and Apple is a member of the GSMA — to evolve the spec to include not only end-to-end encryption, but also a lot of features that aren’t in the RCS spec that we’re working on adding back to the spec.” Threaded replies, read receipts, and reactions are a few of those features that are unlikely to be supported for iPhone users as the standard exists today. “Overall, what we hope is that the modern messaging features and end-to-end encryption will be a reality cross-platform.”

there is hope that apple will not let google run the show for servers or apps.

( which the carriers and users should have demanded long ago)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Well, after over a week of working, both phones have reverted to SMS/MMS 😔 (RCS still enabled and connected for both phones).

EDIT: I can still send and receive messages, albeit SMS/MMS now. Not experiencing not receiving texts as others have.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Yup... sigh...
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
And it's back
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ultraman666:
I have tried everything listed above and I'm still sending in sms no rcs ugh
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
I just lost basic and device integrity
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
I still have both. What method are you using to get a FP?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
After reading the fine print of Chiteroman and daboynb. They suggest not clearing data on apps and setting certain apps on denylist. Everytime I did that, I had to re-setup my pixel 2 watch. FML... this is a PITA.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
Got it back.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
I used playcurl and chiteroman 15.9.9. What version are you using?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
osm0sis Playfork with Zygist and a FP generated with Pixelflasher. I don't even need the deny list
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
I didn't know you can use a fingerprint in Pixel flasher. I'll have to look at that. Thanks!
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
So that I understand, you have enforce denylist off?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
How'd you generate the FP?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Open Pif Manager in PixelFlasher

Click on Get Xiaomi Pif (it should populate Xiaomi Pif in the Output console) (This gets xiaomi published pif intact)

Click on Paste UP button (which should Paste the same contents into Active Pif window

Click on Reprocess button (this will reprocess the pif to make it compatible with the currently installed module) the Output console will now have pif that is compatible with the current module.

Click on Paste UP again, to update the Active Pif with the modified pif

Click on Update pif.json, this will update your device and have this custom pif.

Select one of the top 4 methods of testing the Pif and hit the Play Integrity Check button.

Confirm that it passes both basic and device.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] simplepinoi177:
edit: apparently much has been stated in the last couple of minutes while I formulated this post, so my apologies if much has been covered already...

FYI, below is a link to the general guide of the PIF Manager in Pixel Flasher...

📳🔥 PixelFlasher, a GUI tool for flashing / updating / rooting / managing Pixel phones.

DESCRIPTION As the name suggests this is an application to flash (update) Pixel™ phones (possibly all Google™ made phones/tablets, YMMV.) PixelFlasher at its core is a UI layer (with bells and whistles) on top of adb / fastboot commands, hence...

xdaforums.com

Also, I don't have Google Messages or Wallet or anything like that in denylist (mine is not enforcing denylist, though, since I'm using Shamiko, but my wife's device doesn't have Shamiko and has enforce denylist on...FWIW)...
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Correct, it's off and the only apps that don't work is Experian and Binance. I used Wallet last night to show my tickets when we went to see Josh Gates
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
After updating from A15 Beta 2.1 to A15 Beta 2.2, it's now working again. Same set up as in the my first quoted post and same results. Haven't seen any other reports like mine with my setup, and it shouldn't be working, but here we are again. Let's see how long this lasts...
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
I'm seriously considering tinkering with a pixel in the future while having an iPhone with the family. The cat and mouse game might soon be getting to me. But I will still have the best of both worlds.

Edit: we need better versions of digital wallets that aren't tied to Google or Apple or Samsung
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ducter:
As I said somewhere in this thread I ended up going back to stock, locked and truthfully I hate to say it but I think Google is just toying with us. There's coming a day soon that workarounds will no longer work. I use my phone for personal and business and I missed several important messages all together. I was under the assumption they would fall back to sms but that wasn't the case. I'd love for another service to offer rcs but I also don't see that happening. It'll be locked bootloader and no root or missing features, the choice will be yours.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] chill145:
This was my whole point in the S24 thread. More and more users are going to avoid rooting due to this cat and mouse game. If a phone offers customization without having to root, that'll entice a lot people. Google needs to figure it out.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ducter:
While I do like Samsung and their build quality seems good I do not like all the extras they throw in. I was a fan of the note series and in fact purchased a note 20 ultra that just sits on my nightstand as it was the last but then they showed their hands, it was to eliminate having their own flagship compete with their other flagship...kinda bugged me for some reason but I do see your point.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] mcflyrk01:
is anyone on google fi also experiencing general service disconnects today? i've lost RCS a million times in the past but never had the fi app **** out on me... wondering if this is related or just a coincidence?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] viper8u2:
I had RCS messages not work for the first time ever today, I would type the message then it immediately disappears. Happen to my phone and my wifes, both are rooted with Magsik with latest play integrity fix. I just went into settings and turned on the option to use regular SMS if RCS does not work. Coincidently, someone I know is having issues with verizon phone service and he could not call or receive calls. Mine work fine....
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Not sure if this applies to your friend's situation, but AT&T said this:

There is an issue that is impacting completing calls between carriers. The carriers are working as quickly as possible to diagnose & resolve.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] raze5115:
a lot of us are having the rcs problem with the current integrity fix. It seems Google patched the current version of the current integrity fixes. So until there's a new integrity fix I'd advise not rooting the pixel 8/8P. Even the custom roms are having the rcs chat problems.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] zetsumeikuro:
The end is near! Thanks to all the people that spammed play integrity checks to try to flex "everything looks normal" in momo which is absolutely worthless. With a few private FP's left to use things aren't looking hot. I searched like 80~ today and none of them worked even for RCS. There were some old obscure FPs that just passed basic and RCS would work.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] bdr127:
I posted this less than two weeks ago in the Play Integrity thread when the previous print was banned:

However, I haven't had any issues since then and certainly nothing in the last 24 hours. I manually disabled RCS in Messages again about a week or so ago, but no problems with calls, texts, activation, or the Fi app.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] DespairFactor:
I did the same, I disabled RCS, I would rather just not have it than worry about not receiving messages
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] rester555:
RCS controlled by Google was as good an idea as Allo.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] borisSweden:
Good, best way to show disgust at Google Apple like policy. After the WhatsApp meta exodus, people are more open to try other apps that are more private. But I hope we get a standard RCS UP from Apple without Google BS, it should be GSMA standard issue. What Google is just another IM app.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Umm, as far as I can tell, mine is still working. I'm still passing Basic and Device and my Text Box on RCS contacts still says RCS.

I switched back to MMS and didn't get any missed messages
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] thatsupnow:
I noticed my messages were disappearing when I tried to send them today. First time it's happened
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] ThatOneGuyOverThere:
Same issue with messages disappearing as soon as I send them or even just getting send failed.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] mcflyrk01:
mine was "setting up" for about 24 hrs so i was hopefully but it's back on connected and not actually sending 😢
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ericarthurc:
Are you all passing basic and device integrity?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] raze5115:
yeah mine passes but it still happens.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Ducter:
I have auto updates turned off as I prefer to update on my own and there's been a messages update every few days it seems. I wonder what's changed and why so frequently updated... Of course the what's new simply says bug fixes and improvements which isn't helpful.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Darkojovanoski1986:
To be honest this is the only reason why I keep my phone unrooted even month after I purchased it. No other phone I owned "survived" this long. I am afraid if I root will lose RCS completly becouse I like it very much, not to mention that even Gemini in messages is now available in my region.

I will ask if someone can give me straight answers:

1. Does RCS work with integrity fixes?

2. If I unroot and relock the bootloader, will it work like I never rooted the phone?

Thanks :)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] sic0048:
Yes. Obviously you shouldn't relock your bootloader unless you have installed a fresh factory image just to be sure that everything is "stock". But unrooting and relocking your bootloader after flashing a factory image will put the phone back to completely stock and everything should work as if you never rooting the phone in the first place.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] simplepinoi177:
straight answer -- yes, RCS works with the Play Integrity Fix[es] module. Case in point, I and most users on the PIF thread are currently messaging with RCS. Unfortunately, the way Play Integrity Fix (PIF) operates, it uses things called "fingerprints" to sort of trick Google servers, and Google bans/blocks these at various frequency/recurrence -- at first going weekly, then ramping up to multiple times a week, then once taking close to 2 months (because of the holidays), now seemingly monthly (roughly, like every 4-6 weeks); they've been at it since end of November.

That's why, most of the users that have gotten so frustrated and ended up relocked bootloader don't like the swings and uncertainty. There are methods of getting alerted immediately when Tap to Pay or RCS will suddenly stop working (because of a ban), and it usually hasn't gone more than 2 or 3 days before another working "fingerprint" is published and used until the next banning -- but it does seem to be a looking rather desperate and pessimistic outlook like it's a losing battle.

also, to re-iterate what @sic0048 - stated, be sure if you do decide to relock your bootloader, to flash the Full Factory Stock Firmware to BOTH slots, or it might lead to a irreparable permanent hard-brick. There have been countless times this has been reported since the first Pixel 1. I suggest using the official tools like Android Flash Tool (check "lock bootloader" option) or Google Pixel Update and Software Repair Tool as they are the official tools from Google/Android-developers so it/they should know best on how to work it properly/fully.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
I just sent an RCS message to a friend of mine and it switched to SMS right after I sent it.

The odd thing is I'm still passing Basic and Device and Wallet, etc are still working
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] simplepinoi177:
Sorry for the basic inquiry (no insult intended as what I'm inquiring can be obvious), but in the "Details" of the text thread/group, does "End-to-end encryption" state On & green?

Because when RCS first was getting affected by Play Integrity and I suddenly wasn't passing DEVICE (but Wallet was still working), I was mistakenly going off of being green & "Status: Connected" in the messages app settings (RCS chats) thinking I was still exchanging in RCS with others, only to show an alert in the thread that it had reverted to SMS and caused me to question and look at the details to see that it was "Off" and red...I had continued for a couple of days thinking I was still good until everyone else started saying their RCS wasn't working that I realized I was perceiving things wrong and jumping to the wrong assumptions...
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] K1nsey6:
It no longer stays green in chat details. It now shows end to end encryption Off in red.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] K1nsey6:
Im passing both, Wallet works fine, but no RCS
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] mac796:
What is so much better about rcs? Is it because you can send over wifi? Or it's more secure. Just curious. I have never used it for most part.