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[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
I'm just speculating and theoretically thinking the screen on the X100P should be better than the X90PP as the BOE claims it can reach a maximum of 3000nits as opposed to the previous E6's 1800nits. I'm no expert with brightness measuring but based on the limited amount of other YouTube reviews I've watched so far, it doesn't look worse (at least to me).

Regarding battery life, I'm willing to give Mediatek some slack since they're using 4 huge cores which are bound to not be energy efficient during idle/low usage. Their argument is that they can get whatever job you throw at it processed faster, but it's a fact that standby consumption should be higher than say a small A520 from a SD8G3. It could've been a lot worse as I had initial fears it would use as much as 50% more power which was not the case and let's not forget as this is a new gen chip that nobody else has used before, I'm sure Vivo will have lots of opportunity to tweak it through firmware updates.

The X100P has a bigger battery and is advertised to be using some new tech that further improves its battery endurance too, so that's still nice to have. The 9300's N4X node process being two small iterations newer than the N4 on the previous SD8G2 is definitely helping slightly in the efficiency department which a lot of people probably don't realize. https://www.anandtech.com/show/17123/tsmc-unveils-n4x-node-high-voltages-for-high-clocks
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The E6 can do 1500 nits full white, the BOE only 1300. The resolution is worse, and the colour accuracy of BOE usually pretty off too. Plus somtimes green tint. Energy consumption especially at high brightness is higher too.

Really so far BOE simply isn't there yet. At least half a year ago they were still pretty far off and cheat quite badly on their specs regarding PWM and the brightness means tiny peak only. Then however I think any screen that can do 1000 full white is good enough. E7 of Pixel 8 Pro is quite a stunner though - especially the energy consumption at high brightness is really good.

Qualcom doesnt really specify their node - I'm sure they are identical to Mediatek (so 8gen3 to 9300 same node. And always better to get a SOC that isn't from the first 1-3 months of production - especially on a new node - regarding battery use. They do make voltage adjustments. So that was of course a prob with X90PP as they received the very first batch of 8Gen2.

I think standby performance is mainly modem (if not on wifi) and software - browsing is mainly SOC, modem if mobile, and display. While gaming really is about SOC and little else. If on wifi standby is mainly about software. Quacom still has indusctry best modems - yet BBK didn't buy them for 8Gen2 to save money. The wifi chips maybe have some little power differences too - but it won't be a huge deal except when moving loads of data or being at edge of reception area.

Overall I'm sure that battery life is a clear point for Vivo X100(P) over X90PP. But IQOO 12 /Pro) and other 8Gen3 will beat it quite badly. I'm sure it cannot match S23U or Honor Magic 5 Pro either - which were the standout phones for battery real use life last year. Now Xiaomi also never has been known for good battery life so hard what to make of them (software!). Sony Xperia 5V/10V of course also aced battery life. Sony usually has very clean software stack.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
The E6 on the Oppo X6P seems brighter than the E6 on the X90PP from most of the reviews I've read and watched, so there's bound to be some extra manufacturers' 'tweaks' and configurations in place between all panels so they're never going to all be equal amongst the brands that are using the same panel. I've not been able to further technical information on the BOE the X100P is using, so I'll just have to go by own personal inspection and opinion once I receive the X100P to see what they're like side by side.

Most websites claim the SD8G3 uses N4P, which is a 2nd gen 4nm process (1st gen being N4 and 3rd gen being N4X). Again, the difference is minimal and isn't a dealbreaker so I'd be surprised if Qualcomm matched them this time round as the Dimensity 9200 was 100% on N4P too as it did state it's fabbed under 2nd gen 4nm TSMC on their marketing slide.

Mediatek have gone with a very unorthodox core setup this time and as a lot of people had originally feared, it doesn't seem to be overheating or throttling that bad which is a win imho. Gotta give credit where credit is due even at this early stage.

Qualcomm do have the best cellular modems and ISPs, but Mediatek have been catching up and I haven't heard that many horror stories about excessive standby drain while connected to mobile data. I will find out the answer in real-world scenarios hopefully soon since I'm outdoors most of the time.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Well as Vivo isn't using the modem or wifi from Qualcomm - I guess that part for Vivo doesn't matter the SOC. Teardown videos of X90PP clearly showed no X70 modem, and some wifi 7 was missing so the wifi/bluetooth on X90PP clearly wasn't either from Qualcomm. So I guess they use the same modem on all X90 series, and hopefully it's improved on X100 for mobile use.

Now the x90(PP) modem wasn't bad in reception - but it's set up to just power through. Clearly better than the tensynos Samsung modem (though that could be related to the fab more than the structure). So not sure if the modem is sourced from Mediatek or third party for X100(P).

The real benchmark will be once Honor Magic 6 Pro or S24Ultra or and 8gen3 Sony phone comes up for comparison. And yeah the reviews kinda always skip this - the new gsmarena rating skips standby so Vivo will look much better (just as Pixel 8 series looks way better as the modem got more or less eliminiated)
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
Thanks for reminding me, I'll be sure to do some 4G/LTE/5G benchmarks and comparisons between my X90PP then as I have always wondered why my company given iPhone 15 just gets faster DL/UL speeds on speedtest.net. I never bothered investigating and do remember a lot of users on XDA claiming about the X90PP's modem battery consumption.

This explains why the S23U and iPhone 15 uses the X70 modem since it's the best in the industry for that generation (now it's going to be the X75). Still, I'm curious to see how this Mediatek one compares and am hoping it will be better than whatever was used on the X90PP.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
it could be from anyone except qualcomm on the mediatek 9300. You can always buy SOC without modem, just not modem or fingerpring without the SOC when it comes to Qualcomm. so no ultrasonic fingerprint without qualcomm SOC.

It could well be whatever the same, or whatever but better - or even whatever and worse (unlikely). Sony also uses Qualcomm X70.

While Honor likely uses some Huawei modems - and Huawei has loads of knowledge on modems and been always good (if they can get them produced at TSMC).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
It might potentially use this modem but I'm just speculating at this point. I do take cellular signal strength, reception and coverage performance seriously but at the moment most manufacturers don't discuss it and focus on it enough.

I've seen OPPO, OnePlus and Honor all showcasing their antenna design improvements and amplifiers on their latest flagships which should boost LTE/5G performance (specifically the X6P, OP11, OP Ace 2 and Honor Magic 6) - this would've been nice to have on Vivo. Maybe one day it'll come as a flagship device with a weak signal due to an inefficient or less powerful modem/antenna design can be such a letdown.

There should be some disassemble videos released in the coming weeks as the 'official' NDA for cameras from what I read from UniverseIce is the 17th of November.

https://www.mediatek.com/products/5g-broadband/mediatek-t800
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kitzblitz:
With Xiaomi it is their way of region lock by disabling certain bands. But Vivo has not done that in the past
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Yes they did already on the Chinese versions of x90 and x90 pro. Just the pro+ China version had all the bands, maybe because it was not intended for global release. Phones released globally since x90 have rather few bands but many more on the global version
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
I found 3 recent videos that compared the X100P with the X90PP extensively (the best comparisons to date from what I've seen). There are night mode shots too.

Although I don't understand Chinese or Russian, I've learned the following points from analyzing the photos they've taken by pausing various parts of the videos, zooming in further and pixel peeping. If anyone here does understand either of these languages well, it would be interesting to hear your comments and thoughts too as it looks like all these reviewers were impressed by its performance.

The new ALD/optics and improved Zeiss T* coating is making a noticeable difference to further reduce glare, purple fringing/chromatic aberrations and overblown lights across all 3 lens

Despite using the same Sony IMX989 as the X90PP, there is slightly more detail, clarity, less noise and better image processing overall on the X100P (most likely also due to the improved optics)

The periscope on the X100P is better than the one on the X90PP

The macro shots on the X100P are better than the ones taken on the X90PP and its competitors

Not having the 2x portrait lens on the X100P isn't a big loss as 2x digital crop on the X100P isn't miles behind

And last but not least: The X100P hopefully will have plenty more firmware updates to further refine and improve its camera performance, so that's something for everyone to look forward to as the X90PP has had almost a year of optimizations, improvements and tweaks already.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The camera is a bit better, but the display mediocre and the speakers outrightly bad.

Battery life is much better and the phone a pain to hold in hand in landscape mode due to the huge camera island (red flag for gamers).

There is however much more sharpening on the camera however it's done with AI so on letters and similar you don't notice it. Pictures also more saturated and higher contrast so worse for post editing but much better to share right away. Selfie cam pretty bad as usual with vivo x series. Fingerprint reader also pretty bad.

The iqoo 12 pro on the other hand camera cannot convince at all but display much better. At least there is a clear differentiaon in target market now. X pictures, iqoo for gamers.

I won't expect vivo to get any better or faster with firmware updates. If you want recent android security updates, a phone that implements new android features, stay the heck away from vivo origin OS. They compete with Meizu here on rock bottom.

Can expect vivo to make good income on the AI and provisions for sales, Chinese seem to love it. So the price gap to global will increase. Only India vivo has enough market share to pull of something similar so expecting more problems using Indian vivo phones outside (there are already some blocks here).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
Oh and finally fast charging on PD PPS chargers. Not as fast as with the vivo chargers but 30-40 watts is common. Charging with Vivo charger is slower vs x90p. Similar speed to x90pp.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] ivanox1972:
It is really important minus that screen is worse and much less frequency bands for global use...

For me, it is stronger than plus in camera and battery and speed...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
I honestly don't need improved zoom camera. I want an improved ultra wide camera and the one on x90pp is trash comparing to others. Hopefully they'll change it maybe on x100pp because so far I didn't see any change with uw.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
The first somewhat decent english review:

It's clear, video on the back improved when switching lenses, that's likely most due to new generation chipset.

The periscope lens is a little bit above X90Pro+ (again new chipsets) - but the rest is pretty much on par.

The Mediatek 8300 has horrible stability - well I guess that had to be expected by the cores they chose. On stress tests it's basically falling down to 8Gen1 levels (yeah, not 8gen1+ which can hold higher scores once hot).

Speakers are mediocre (so crap for a flagship), same for the selfie cam. And the display is nothing great either. vs the Iqoo 12 Pro you get much better cameras on the back, same crap on the selfie cam, but miss the great screen, battery life and stability plus have a less ergonomic phone. Fingerprint is bad too, but yeah no qualcomm chip = no ultrasonic FP.

But it sells great in China, and it's clear that the compromises to get the pricepoint are well chosen - it's all about the cameras on the back, while cutting many corners (for a flagship) on other points.

Iqoo 12 Pro on the other hand strives to give you the best productivity (only in China) and gaming phone. Of course they miss many things like Samsung Dex or similar for productivity, but the new AI for now can really score well (and is responsible for the lower pricepoint - as vivo will earn a lot on comissions).

Also releasing the Pro+/Ultra later allows Vivo to sell much more of the cheaper models, get more people to upgrade, and then push a higher price for the Pro+ later - at which time they can buy parts like SD8Gen3, E7 Samsung panel and other things already cheaper vs trying to be first. Mediatek has not much market share so will be cheaper vs 8Gen3, and the rest of the parts isn't anything fancy.

Of course Vivo keeps saving on parts you don't see directly, cheap glass instead of gorilla, cheap modem and so on. Lot's of parts sacrificed for the camera. Can hope that a later introduction of the pro+ makes it possible to actually cut less corners there apart from the camera.

And yeah, besides the AI I don't feel vivo can get a decent OS. Software clearly isn't a focal point for vivo or any Chinese phone except Honor/Huawei.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
The smoothness while switching lenses is better not because of the new chip, because of the tuning they finally managed to do. Samsung has been doing this for quoteua while with earlier generations. I know it from note 20 ultra.

Mediatek seems to be heating a lot and vivo didn't consider doing a better passive cooling system. That's a no for me.

The lack of ultrasonic reader is not depended on the chipset I believe. It's rather vivo puts it only on the flagship level.

Honestly, I don't know what vivo really tries to do here. Releasing iqoo 12 series with 8gen3 amd then x series starting with mediatek. They try to justify x series with better camera performance but iqoo will get chosen by many.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] extremecarver:
No they have to do within budget constraints. Cannot afford such a camera package with SD 8gen3 for that price. That's what the pro+ will do. Slightly more improvement on camera, cheaper components by then, and sd8gen3 with ultrasonic sensor.

So far only qualcomm produces ultrasonic fingerprint sensors and they don't license them together with mediatek SOC. So impossible for vivo to put it on. Samsung has a special deal because they manufacture for qualcomm.

If they release the pro+ now many will wait those 3 months for the better phones to arrive at that price mark so they sell it later and have a phone that can compete - unlike the x90pp which basically was unsellable after February 2023. It costs a lot more to buy sd8gen3 or e7 amoled when they appear vs 3-4 months later. E.g. by now the first mid rangers showing up with sd8gen2 (which is still a great chipset and only really lacks on AI vs the new generation. Even for gamers it's still plenty strong and decent cooling will beat sd8gen3 or mediatek for gaming). It's quite annoying that for camera performance you need a flagship soc. If they could sell a half speed but same capabilities photo/AI chipset that would create a ripple effect for non gamers.

Also clearly qualcomm is still the number 1 on modems and WiFi Chipsets. Huawei/Honor follows, then mediatek and then Samsung and other Chinese....

Iqoo 12 pro is the better phone but loads of constraints on the camera, same price x100 pro has constraints outside the camera. For 1000 yuan more you could couple x100pro and iqoo 12 pro. But in 3-4 months when x100 pro+ comes you could do it for the same price as right now x100pro but then use the 1000yuan for some further improvements like better periscope, hopefully a decent instead of rubbish selfie camera and ultrasonic fingerprint sensor. The strategy is clear and it makes more sense vs last year where Vivo shot themselves in the foot losing market share not only worldwide but also in China, especially the flagships sold poorly.

Honor Magic 6 pro looks really like the first real flagship of the new batch of phones according to reviews. Otherwise need to wait for s24u, oppo find x7 pro, Xiaomi 14 ultra and Sony 1v.

There will never be one phone to rule them all. All will make some cuts be it on hardware or software.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
There's another video with a glimpse of camera performance. Lenses switching looks good as well as video recording. I wonder if x90pp will get some of this stuff in software update, as it definitely has the hardware capabilities.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] BlackJack'89:
could, it depends on the marketing policy.

if these improvements are implemented, you have no reason to upgrade to the next model
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
It does, but some other manufacturers do provide new features in previous models with software updates. On one hand it does take away reason for upgrade, but on the other it shows that manufacturer actually cares about customers. And x90pp was the highest end flagship, so such care from vivo is more than welcome.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Killuminati91:
The x100 and x100 pro global is definitely coming. Firmware is already available through vivos internal software, as always the indian version ends with a "F" in their model name and will most likely be funtouch OS. Would rather wait for this one due to the missing bands on the CN version.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] kyero985:
I've been on vacation after taking care of some urgent work matters and will finally check out my X100P.

I'll be heading into Central with both my phones to take some festive night mode stills and zoom comparison shots this week to truly test both cameras, so expect a lot of photos coming.

My X90PP also has Android 14 open beta installed and the X100P has received tons of firmware updates since it was launched in November 2023 as I've got the Chinese model, so this will be interesting since I've watched over 20 different reviews of the X100P by now and have a solid, detailed idea of what to expect (and what not to expect).
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mvincent2k:
Does anyone know the following 2 questions for the x100p?

1) what band frequencies does the global version have? I only see the Chinese variant specs. Don't even see a place to buy the global instead of Chinese ver.

2) Does Android Auto work on the Global/EU version? I know it doesn't on the Chinese w/o a hack.

Thanks
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jericho246:
2G GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz

3G WCDMA B1/B2/B4/B5/B8

4G FDD-LTE B1/B2/B3/B4/B5/B7/B8/B12/B17/B18/B19/B20/B26/B28/B32/B66

4G TD-LTE B38/B39/B40/B41/B42

5G n1/n3/n5/n7/n8/n20/n28/n38/n40/n41/n66/n75/n77/n78/n79

found here https://www.vivo.com/en/products/param/x100pro

Of course, Android Auto is only broken on China ROMs. If you buy the global version of Vivo X100 Pro (the one that has Funtouch OS) you have nothing to worry about.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jbreaz:
I have the global model and yes Android Auto works but I can't figure out how to get 5g with T-Mobile on this model. I did get 5g on my Chinese x90 pro plus
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mvincent2k:
I took the plunge and ordered the Global. Arrives in a few days. Will test on Vzw and Tmo and Visible as those are the ones I have available.

FYI dimensity means IMEI can be repaired if it goes bad.....look it up if needed
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jbreaz:
I'm thank you. I'll have to look that up. Could that help me get 5g possibly?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mvincent2k:
More so for not working at all or keep disconnecting like in this post
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] jbreaz:
Ok gotcha! Well it works perfect on T-Mobile just no 5g
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] RyanAsAlways:
For people who want to see how much of a crazy improvement from Dimensity 9200+ to 9300 on X100P, you should check this video out and I know it is in Chinese but it has English Subtitles :
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] mvincent2k:
I can also confirm on Tmobile and Verizon with global model fully working but no 5G on either. No dropouts or disconnects.

Phone is extremely buttery. Very nice
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
Do notifications work properly ? When I had the x90 pro plus notifications hardly every worked. I had to disable the power saving feature but even then notifications came very late. How are the notifications on this x100 pro ? Also, can you give a list of the pros and cons with this phone ?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] MotoXoom:
Just came back from HK with a shiny new X100 Pro (global version) in my Bag :) In New Zealand and Phone works fine with One NZ. 5G not a problem all messages working as supposed! Love how smooth everything is. Not using the phone for gaming so cant comment on that performance :cool: but Camera is outstanding!!
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] elwuero:
i’ll have mine on wed in u.s. and i’ll report back. i had a chinese x70 pro plus and notifications were a problem. but i had a global x90 pro and all notifications came thru properly. i’m hopeful and pretty confident that the global x100 pro will work well in the u.s.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Thanos88:
The notifications issue only happened with Chinese models. Global models work perfectly fine so you don't need to worry about notifications. I was wondering if the Chinese x100 pro has notification issues
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] maxel77:
Vivo X100 Pro is a huge upgrade over X90 Pro but only a litte upgrade over X90 Pro Plus. Better macro, slightly better zoom, less noise. I would buy it but I think I will wait for X100 Pro Plus.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] elwuero:
anyone think the x100 pro will get its own forum listing?
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
I never understood the criticism of the 2x zoom on the x90 pro+

I use it more than the main cam as I do a lot of portraits. Unlike the periscope lens, it's brilliant in low light, works perfectly in sport mode, low noise.

At least it's appreciated by someone with a profession in photography and I'm sad to see Vivo ditch it.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Bl3s:
I'm on the same boat. 2x lens is my main choice for portraits, focal length on the main lens isn't suitable for portraits, I use it for daily snaps and group photos.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] lemonade747:
I use it like 80% of my time whenever I open the camera. I found that 2x portrait is the right spot for good portrait photos. The 3x portrait on my S22 Ultra is way too close for me to feel comfortable to take photos.
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
Lltechview just released a video showing the 4k 30 and 60fps video recording being added to the selfie camera.

That's good very good. But what about x90 pro+ then?

Why it takes Vivo ages to add quick lens switching while recording video? Why I have to use that slow stupid zoom bar and have to stop exactly at 2x or 3.5x to show a good switch which barely hits the correct spot?

Why it takes long to add damn 4k 60 fps lens switching option? Obviously the hardware is capable.

Same goes for that nice focal length switch by topping on each...

We've been getting updates but they never addressed these issues despite people complaining about it...
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] Haskren:
They are leaving out features to give you incentive to upgrade. Apple does it, DJI does - everyone, it's just sales tactics
[Vivo X90 Pro Plus] virtualknowledge:
I know and this sales tactics always work opposite on me. I'll go and choose another brand next to time. What an annoying company.