yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] grayme:
For me the issue is that people are of the opinion that new ROMs are not the priviledge that they are, but that they are a right. They take this 'right' further to demand tweaks that suit them personally, purely because (as mentioned before) the developer is present. It doesn't happy with Windows OS, cars, films, music, so why ROMs? (I only have two children, so rather than the fifth car seat could I have a footspa?)

This old thread sums it up for me, it only took four posts for the first ':rolleyes:' post and then plenty more follow. People don't read (or search), they're too lazy and/or stupid.

Last night I was reading another HD thread of a ROM posted by a friend from my old Uni days, the negativity got him down too and he left the scene for a few days (though permanently at the time). Even after he'd posted he'd had enough and was off, people were posting asking for the ROM in their language... :rolleyes:

I'd like to think that this forum was different, that X1 users wouldn't do that; but I am not stupid.

So please, when someone brings out a new ROM, be it Dutty, itje, Jack, or anyone, just remember before you post that the developer could just have easily (and it would have been easier for them) kept the ROM to themself.

But of course, if someone doesn't read even the first post of a new ROM thread before they write a stupid question / comment, they won't have read this. :(

Back on topic, I am looking forward to this ROM too, but given the known bugs I am happy to wait until Dutty is happy with it; at least that too should reduce the negativity if anything isn't just what everyone wants.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] achmed20:
the whole reason to some people here beeing runde is, that they (well some of them) spent some money to get him a phone. guess i would do the same if i spent some but luckily i didnt ;)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Paitor:
Don't really understand you there...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] grayme:
I read it as an extra 'n' and a boast that he got his phone for free...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] tegera:
Dutty take yor time and feel happy with your work. Dont let some AH bring you down, your work is very appreciated by most of us here at XDA just like Itjes work you are one of a kind Rom Makers....
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] jackleung:
Dutty, I fully understand and respect why you upset by those words for people complaining about IP sharing, and your decision not to continue for X1 (since it's very hard to develop/maintain/QC a rom without actually using it daily).

Maybe future device like TP2 (if it support US's band). :)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] tjex:
You're statement alone is what's makes our 'cookers' mad. You're no better than those who post complaints. Just because you donate does NOT mean you can request what you want. You donate because you appreciate that the ROM's are done on their own time and given out for free.

Luckily you didn't donate?! Luckily we're getting this ROM for free, you should be thankful! Shame on you.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] heep:
'BooHoo.....I wait so long for a new ROM !!'

'My camera doesn't work......please fix it!!'

etc etc....

It's a shame that these questions get asked over the internet on a forum.....otherwise the answer would be my fist in your face......for the sake of cutting the ROM-cookers some slack !!

The cookers are doing a great job....even if they don't make a perfect ROM.

They put time and effort in making this stuff so most people can enjoy a customized phone for free....

Go ahead....try it yourself.....or maybe ask Sony-Ericsson to cook you a customized ROM.....see what answer they'll give you !!

I hope the cookers can still find some motivation to continue to do a great job and make many thankful people happy =)

anyway....my two cents
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] meptik:
Wow, after reading that I'm not sure if I should be laughing my ass off or crying. In any case, it's shocking. I've seen the same kind of behaviour here at the X1 forums. It seems some people cannot be arsed to read the first post, let alone the second ("OMG bug! Lanscapes doesn't not work!").

Sigh.

I agree with this statement. I think it we shouldn't forget what ninja.rogue stated in the first post:

Somehow, a few people in this thread seem to have gotten the impression that he was "hired" to cook. I very much doubt this was ever the intention.

I'm not a cook myself, but I would imagine Dutty is doing this mostly because he finds it fun and challenging. Once something like that starts feeling like a job, it's time to take a step back and reconsider things.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] McGilljam:
I bump on that. it's now time for me to do a real donate to those who cooked the roms I use. Even tough I haven't been a bad user, I still a lill bit ashamed. My Xperia should be at Blocket right know, but thanx to guys like Itje, Smaberg and Dutty, I still use it. Dutty, take your time. And you to Itje and other cookers..... btw.... this is written on my X1 and with Iris Browser... cheers.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] achmed20:
guess i was to lazy to write a full sentence here.

i SPENT money if i like the work and if i use it. but im NOT going to spent anyone any money and hope that they will do their part then.

thats normal business. or do u prepay all the services and products u buy?

i didnt request anything at all btw nor will i.

people should realy try to see both sides here. i think i remember some1 donating about 50 Bucks or more just to get dutty a phone. i dont wanna know how that guy currently feels.

but basicly ... those guys who spent money realy have a reason to complain while every1 who didnt, has none.

PS: im sure the majority here didnt spent anything at all so this point probably cause to you.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] galbur:
first sorry about my english.

I'm new to the XDA Forum, and don't understand why many peoples haven't any respect

to the cooker's and other Developer. They don't understand how hard is this work.

I'm registered on many Forum's, interested by mobile devices, Sat&DVB, Computer's,

Hacking&Cracking, etc. I'm spending a lot of time about this, I'm freelance have my

own IT-Firm, and develop too many things on my Computer.

I say to you i know from what i speak.

Respect to the work & the nerves to all cookers. Great & inconceivable what u do with

the mobiles.

And all the peoples say this don't work, can u release with this, this ROM is ****, ...

What's go on? This guy's spend very lot of time about this, i know for fixing error's

they are maybe many hours on work --> for a simple error or cosmetical fix.

why you unhappy peoples, don't

- read all the threads, howto's and manuals

- learn programming NET, C++ and many other Language

& spend self a lot of time to fix your error's,

or cook and develope your own ROM

No is simpler to say, this and this isn't working... when will u release the fix??

F... when u can't wait, install developping Tools and make it self or install the

original ROM.

sry, but that's not normal

and donate => spend

you donate/spend for him and not to get something (edited sry my english)

My respect to all cookers & to all other support your cookers
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Loco5150:
Donation is a donation, not a payment for something...

IMO people behaved PRETTY well in this topic considering what kind of expectations everyone has on Dutty's abilities on improving our devices...

Maybe some kind of points system would be in place for the community to stop the stupid questions that have been answered hundred times… I remember when I stumbled on XDA for the first time; I was a reading member over a ½ year before I posted anything...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] rosebud:
I think this forum needs some serious change,

there is too much *****ing and too many Newb questions spread all over the site (Please nobody take offence)

I think the site needs some serious restructure,

releases should not be based on normal threads but read only threads that have a seperate thread where comments can be made.

this way, the Cooker / Developer has a whole thread to do what they want with which is not clouded by all this negativity, this would also mean that people were not able to add requests to the release threads.

Maybe there should be a seperate forum thread for requests?

The above may not be the ultimate solution, but maybe as a community (admins / Mod's /COOKS/ Users) we surely can work something out?

PS Dutty I love your work, please Grin and bear it :D
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] achmed20:
couldnt agree more.

but dutty aggreed to cook a rom for some people here if they buy him a phone. which realy looks like a payment in my eyes.

so this people:

may complain, everybody else shuts up and waits please ^^
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ninja.rogue:
As the thread starter, I have been reading through all of this, with some pain.

My idea, Xmoo's and many others' was that our phone was underestimated and there were too few cooks here.

Not questioning cooks' abilities - I have been using Itje's roms and Jack's, being very satisfied with them - but hoping to experience again the sparkling world of Kaiser and Diamond, where tenths of cooks were experiencing.

So I invited personally Dutty, whom I estimate so much, to cook for us.

He hadn't a Xperia, so I asked whether he would cook in case he had one.

He answered "yes", so here we started raising money for this.

Please read the first posts here to breathe the freshness of our proposal.

No obligations, no "to-do" lists, nothing at all.

Dutty has been attacked "all over" the forum, not here.

And he is pausing cooking roms, not cooking for X1.

So please respect him, and his feelings.

He likes to leave us with a rom, even a beta one.

Let's be happy for this, as these were free donations.

I personally feel ok with this, also because I have used many Dutty's roms before.

I really hope that Dutty is ok now, and all the best for this friend.

Just my two cents.

Cheers to everybody.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] tjex:
Dude, give it up already!

DONATION IS NOT PAYMENT. No one is forcing you to donate. If you didn't donate, maybe you should take the time to THANK all the ones that did donate. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't even be getting a beta of Dutty's ROM.

'Nuff said on this subject.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] kareeem:
Any further bashing of anybody shall result in a ban with no questions asked. Some of you are complaining when you haven't donated a single cent. The OP donated one of the largest amounts and is taking this in a very mature matter. Keep your cool and maybe something nice will happen.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] thedeva:
Well I did donate towards Dutty's phone I do not expect anything from Dutty and I am more than happy to help him out in anyway I can as it was NOT a payment, just a kind gesture.

Even if he decides to pull up stumps and not do any X1 ROMS at all, I do not care as I respect what he has done for XDA over the years. As you can see from his own post a few pages back, the poor bloke feels guilty about having the phone given to him and has already offered it up to another cooker. To me thats Integrity, and Dutty I respect you 100%.

So Dutty you just do what ever makes you happy and as one of your donaters I wish you all the best and you will always have my respect. I hope the last 4 pages of this thread show you that 99% of people here are huge fans, so I think thats whats really important.

My 2c for what its worth.

Dev
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Diewi:
I'm really looking forward to this rom. It's no good to the Xperia Rom

Development that Dutty won't continue, but I can understand him.

But as he want to send it back to xmoo, wouldn't it an good idea to give this

device to the people who want to port Android to the X1?

An vote among the people who donated for the device would be a good base.

For example if more than half or two third would agree. The donations of those

who already donated in the Android thread could be given to the Donators in

this tread.

This would be a great step on porting Android to the X1 as they need an

testing device.

Note this just an idea and I hope things will develop in another way. Dutty

made great roms.

Greetings, Diewi
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Loco5150:
Yes, I wrote earlier that people behaved "only" pretty well on this topic, but I haven't read through the whole topic.

This redundant posting is problem through out XDA, something would need to get done. If the good cooks in XDA go away and stop, you will see me buying a NOKIA and I dont want to do that...

How about some sort of a points system... See here: For every device a sub forum only for Q&A's for every user. Only when you are over 100 posts you will get the permissions to post in to other sections too. If mods see that after 100 posts someone hasn’t still learned the forum rules they can reduce the post count back to 0, 20 or 50 what ever… It would be like back to school for posting redundant posts…

One would think that after posting 100 posts here you would learn something about the board and how to carry yourself…
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] mikebem:
Well said Loco, I have been around since 2002 (then lost my account details and created a new one) and for all these years I have only been reading posts written by people who actually had something to say.

I can't help to notice that what happened with the WM platform made a huge difference. Back in the days when I had my Ipaq 3630, it seemed that PPC users were a small group of people who knew a thing or two about their devices and more than less, knew what to expect and what works how... these days (and I know that if not for that, we wouldn't have as many neat devices out there on the market) WM devices are much more popular and therefore used by (I'm sorry but I have to say that) common folk, by people that have issues updating their anti-virus software on their PCs. These computer-illiterate people then, having no clue about what they have, go online and stumble upon xda-dev, download ROMs and go on harrassing cookers and other xda members with dumb questions that no PDA user should ever ask.

I know that there is always a day when we see something for the first time and we learn step by step, but is it just me? or did the user-quality degrade over the last few years?

Having said that, Dutty, I personally never used your ROM, as I haven't owned any devices that you cooked for... but then again, the news that you handed in your notice made me sad. Like someone said a bit earlier on, losing both you and Itje is a great loss for the xda-dev community. There are a few people that actually know their stuff and seeing them go is always painfull.

Nevertheless, thanks for all your input and hard work. You made a difference and will most certainly be an example to follow.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] fuzzmo:
It's a thankless task being a Cook - no matter what problems I may face with a freshly Cooked ROM they always end up being a 100 times better than the stock lameness you get from the manufacturers.

Maybe people should remember that? Without all the brilliant Cooks (Itje, Jack, DuttyThroy and the rest) we'd have to suffer slow buggy handsets knowing full well there would be no real end in sight until 18 months later with the next buggy handset...

They put their own time and effort in to this for our benefit - they ask for donations but it is never mandatory.

An example of their brilliance - The Diamond with stock rom is an absolute joke of a Phone until you put Dutty's ROM onto it and then I actually regretted not upgrading to it! I finally got the Xperia and was distinctly underwhelmed until I put Itje's and now Jack's ROM onto it and have fallen in love with what has turned into the best handset I have owned. That is all down to the aforementioned geniuses...

We have become so used to their generosity that we seem to forget what we started off with. TBH I am not surprised that both Itje and Dutty decided to call it a day. FWIW guys if that is what you decide then all power to you - you will be sorely missed. Thanks for all your great work here (and that goes to ALL the cooks on xda).

And re: the donations - I was under the distinct impression that this was voluntary and had no guaranteed returns - I believe the majority who contributed understood this and I note none of them complained. I think the negative comments in this thread (and there haven't been many) may have come from non-contributers - which says it all really...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] fatboydc:
Dutty,

I'm sorry you're leaving xda. You're ROMs are one of the greatest. The few retards always make it bad for the rest of us. Good luck with your new found personal time you'll have when not cooking. Take care and hope you'll either return or have our own site where we "appreciative" ones can hop on. Thanks again for all your hard work.

Also, shout out to all the cookers, thanks for all of your hard work!!
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] sitelister:
First off, I've had the pleasure of enjoying Dutty's cooking (yum yum) prior to Xperia, on my Tytn II. His hard work made my day over and over. Same goes to itje with XPeria. Those guys do a hell of a job and it's much appreciated.

My perception is that the forums don't lend themselves well towards ROM releases, and that the cooks should consider having a su-chef - a cronie of sorts, that manages the forum's questions.

I think that ROMs releases should have:

[1] A page of information about the release - I see alot of questions about what's changed from the previous version. This is something that can be handled by the ROM releaser or by a cronie.

[2] A page of FAQs - managed by the su-chef/cronie and should be quite comprehensive. If we provide an out-of-forum experience this could include FAQs for other WM6.1-related issues. Simple ones are "How to put a ROM on your device", etc., and we can use a ticket system that looks at what the user's typing and suggest available FAQs on the subject.

[3] A "Feature Reporting"/"Bug reporting" system (not forum). Again, filtered by the su-chef (for duplicates, etc.). Merging would be possible, and other users may provide their input on how to fix it so the chef doesn't need to waste time on it. Su-chef can escalate it to chef-level if required. This can later be linked to the ROM itself ("What's fixed from previous versions").

[4] A forum to discuss the ROM - it's great to get the admiration of the fans (myself included), and there should be a place for it.

I'm in complete agreement with the "point" system, but I don't know if a first-time user should be denied posting a legitimate bug. However, the su-chef should be able to ban people from the forum and edit out their posts.

Thoughts?
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] alwayslearning:
i am the you who matched the amount paid for the X1, i gave over 100£ to buy Dutty an X1, it was a gift, not a payment, I understand where Dutty is coming from, if he blesses us with a rom, great, if he needs a break, I get it. If he comes back and cooks again :D, Dutty do what you need to, do not feel you are held to any contract.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Ganondolf:
how i see it if u have paid money for them to get a handset they should keep to the promise of realeasing a rom/roms. as far as i can see he is still releasing one and would if he was not getting all the insults and hassle realease more in the future.

i dont think anyone should tell them what should be in the rom but only suggest what they would like and then leave it uo to the cooker
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Loco5150:
In my opinion two versions of any rom should please everyone, a full rom based on what programs the cook wants to have there and a lite version. Thats it, if you have a problem with some of the programs in the full one, you can always take the lite one and instal what ever you want.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] cemetry:
In my way there should 3 versions:

- 1st version, "Light", should removed anything, what nobody needs...

- 2nd version, Xperia like, there should be software in it, like the original Xperia came out

- 3rd version, HTC version, within touchflo and those programs...

cemetry
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] kheavy:
I like how this thread went from informative to retarded.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ninja.rogue:
I agree with you and have canceled my subscription to this thread I opened.

Still can't believe how many "advices" are still being offered to Dutty...

I will just wait for Dutty's new thread about a possible future X1 rom, whatever he chooses to make, whenever he will.

Cheers.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] creamy:
When the informed speak, the wise must listen.

Its always the few that ruin it for the many..........cheers guys. Ur all lucky we are even getting the beta.

As for those of us that use these forums properly, we will wait patiently.

Dutty and Itje, sorry to lose you both........great work and thankyou.

Creamy-Goodness
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Loco5150:
Maybe this thread should be closed....
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] cosmicdream:
yes it should...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ratcom:
Also coming from the "old school" I could not agree with you anymore! and I think you hit the nail on the head!
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] guap:
totally agree. user-quality degrade every days. We were all noobs, but noobs should read and study to become experts, not pretend to find all made by others
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] b0leyngr0und:
The problem is a lot of these noobs (my first post but I'm a developer with 15 years experience and Win Mobile from it's first incarnation) don't want to learn about the ins and outs.

They've either bought or been given a shiny new phone which happens to run on WinMobile and they treat it like they do a Symbian or an IPhone - instant gratification and no need to tweak or play.

And when they do ask the questions they can't be arsed to read what's come before or use the search button because this forum isn't Myspace or Frazzle or whatever crap they use.

Real devs appreciate and are grateful to the cooks for their time and effort - thanks guys
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Loco5150:
I still have my Touch Pro and I started to think maybe I should sell my X1 and head back to the TP section... This whole situation is ridicilous...

EDIT: And this is not meant toward the chefs...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] grayme:
:confused:

Indeed! :)
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Pyrojester:
Well, I donated £10 for a Rom on the back of everyone's recommendations, never used Dutty's stuff before. I guess it'll teach me to donate after I use a rom rather then before.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] grayme:
FFS, please close this thread!
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Golgo:
omg... I can't believe the amount of retard posts in this thread. just shut it down already
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ninja.rogue:
I have asked moderators to close it some hours ago, when I last posted.

I am very disappointed because we had the best intentions, but I don't want to add more. :(
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Pyrojester:
True, thread is useless now. Close it.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] DaveShaw:
Closed as requested.

Dave
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] kareeem:
Let's stop the flaming and not derail off topic here.

Directed at everybody: If you want to donate, by all means please do, but if you're not going to, then please keep your [negative] comments to yourself.
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] ninja.rogue:
Come on guys, we really need just a very little effort, and possibly after this holydays we will start using Dutty's Roms in our Xperia.

@ everybody: thank you all, and please add even 5£ to the donation list, this is going to be important...
[XPERIA X1 ROM Development] Loco5150:
I just donated 20£ more. Allwayslearning made such a good offer that it would be a shame not to have him pay the full 125£, right people?

Anyway I would donate to the people who's roms I use, so donating upfront does not change anything at the end.

Like I said on the previous thread X1 seems to have great potential and getting someone like Dutty here can really take this device to the next level on functionality and speed.

PEOPLE DONATE TO THIS, IT BENEFITS YOU.