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[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Chrizzle909090:
8x Zoom, just slight bw edit
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
There's a lot of "it depends" to answer this. First, am I printing? Unless I'm actually printing, I see no reason to fill up your phone with high res images. The binned 12mp is more than enough though even for "smaller" prints. Whether or not the full reso of the sensors will stand up to being printed larger is still questionable to me.

Second, which lens am I using and how is the light? The ultrawide or wide might hide camera shake better. If you're using anything past the wide then you better have your handheld shooting on its A game. That added resolution of using the unbinned option is easily enough to show any weakness in handholding. (Even with OIS)

The other reason for having higher resolution is to give more breathing space to crop. At which point you really need to be considering if you're even using the right lens and do you have other options for composition. If you're using the ultrawide or wide and shooting and catch your inner dialog saying that you'll just crop the image later since you're using the higher resolution... Then you're probably better off just shooting the next lens up in the standard binned mode.

There's a tad more resolution when punched way in but not really enough for me to justify shooting full reso all the time. If I think I might want to display an image in a larger format than what most of us typical view from day to day, then I'll consider it keeping all of the above in mind but for a very large majority of the time I see no point in filling up your phone or cloud storage with oversized day to day shots.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
I'm reserving final judgement for that superzoom stuff when it shows up.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
I agree, so far. First shot is from my Pixel 8 Pro (apparently can't insert 50MP pics or it's too large?). Second shot is from my Pixel 7 Pro. Better focus/detail with the Pixel 7 Pro. Haven't taken one with 12MP yet on the 8 Pro. Will have to do that to see if it makes a difference.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
OK, stupid question of the day from a camera noob that rarely takes any pics, unless they're work-related.

How the heck do you know which lens to use, which lens you ARE using and how to switch from one to another, or is that all dependent on Zoom?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Utini:
Well I tend to crop or edit picture afterwards in photoshop to use it as wallpaper or sometimes even print it.

Additionally I dont care about space since 1. I got enough on the phone and 2. I will sync/move everything each night to my local home server (and view the pics remotely).

Yesterday I had to switch to 12mp to manage a picture of Mt Fuji while driving in a Shinkansen train. Other that that my pics with 50mp come out fine (as in no shaking).

But I am also a noob when it comes to photography. Maybe a pro looks at my pics and facepalms but I am happy :D

It honestly is also easier formme to set 50mp and forget about it. I won't end up in a situation where I hate myself for not capturing that one special shot in the highest possible quality?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
That's good stuff! I'm bookmarking this. I never knew any of that, well not most of it, I definitely didn't know about the Manual setting.

Thanks!
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
This guy has a lot of miles on it.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] danw_oz:
Oh well, I might try that tonight with 7 Pro. I am wondering because of the raw image, maybe I will try the 8 Pro with just native res and see. Will also redo the Pro mode because it looked good on screen but was too underexposed on the raw files.

I will do a comparison if I can see the moon tonight. Will add the 6 Pro as well because I can.

Lughnasadh did a comparison but clearly on two different day's moon phases so hard to compare craters or perception of them, as most of the ones in the 8 Pro shot are in the dark part of the moon in those shots.

I find the Pixel 7 Pro shots have quite extreme pixel blending compression
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] danw_oz:
Yeah 50MP raws then edited. I think this camera needs more work/tweaks from google to match the new sensors
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Utini:
Does shooting raw give any more details/potential for editing compared to .jpg?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] danw_oz:
Yes for sure.

The key point is you now have full control of how you want this photo to look, rather than google applying their touch to the photo in the final jpg

This is especially true when shooting in unusual light you can correct the white balance to any setting after, most cameras even some of the most expensive digital camera quite often do not get this right, jpg file you can't you are significantly limited.

As for details you can generally get more details our of highlights and shadows without introducing artefacts compared to editing the final jpg

Note which I didn't mention before, you also have full control of noise reduction and sharpening.

Note2. Its obviously more work :cool:
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
But then you are in to AI enhanced territory and not comparing like for like.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
I remember you taking a moon shot with your P7P mate and you could make out craters, it was very impressive
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] danw_oz:
It was too cloudy last night managed to get a few 12MP from Pixel 8 Pro, quality did not seem improved at all.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
not just another moon shot :)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Anything past the native physical zoom is enhanced. (P6P, P7P, P8P, a standalone camera, etc) Pretty much any jpeg coming out of a pixel phone is greatly enhanced beyond what any other camera does. Heck, the difference between a binned shot off of the sensors or an unbinned or "raw" shot is enhanced enough that it closes the gap between the two resolutions. (I'm not exaggerating when I say you have to be the type that masturbates to 200% zoomed in views of files to really be impressed by the difference.) The difference between shooting the 12mp reso and anything else on the P8P isn't nearly as different than if like I shoot a dedicated camera full raw and jpeg. Google is definitely doing some amazing work when using the binned version of the sensor output. As far as I'm concerned, this super zoom or enhanced zoom or whatever they're calling it is just more of the same as making any other jpeg as long as it works.

The other side of things is that we can open any of these photos and pop in and they all look like mush because this site doesn't seem to support any decent photo quality. Which is kind of a big lesson in the reasoning between shooting binned vs unbinned. Posting anywhere you only really need binned at most. (And most likely not even that.) A 12mp file from a standalone camera should easily print 16x20. I feel like a good photo from the P8P will. A 50mp photo should be able to print twice as big and from what I've seen I'm not confident that a photo from the P8P at this point would look good that big.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
I'm not sure what that has to do with what i was saying regarding the zoom and AI enhancements, anything past optical zoom on the 6 pro, 7 pro and 8 pro is currently just digital zoom with interpolation, the super zoom jobbie that is coming will require the image to be uploaded to Googles servers for the full on AI treatment.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Correct. Anything past optical zoom is all computer interpretation. Doesn't matter if it is using onboard "super res zoom" processing or sending it to Google's servers for the new "zoom enhance". (I'm looking for confirmation that this particular feature is actually going to be cloud based or not.) It's all more digitally enhanced versions of crops. It's just one is smarter, hopefully, than the other. I don't see why people are trying to draw a line between the two. Frankly, I usually draw the line at using optical versus using extra digital tricks, not comparing between digital tricks.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
And circling back to the binned vs unbinned debate, I did some digging. Turns out that the Pixel cameras continue to use a bayer pattern that uses the same filter lens over 4 adjacent pixels versus the usual alternating over each pixel used on normal cameras. Which would explain why the "full" reso shots look only slightly better (and only if I zoom in a fair bit) than the normal binned reso shots. So no matter what resolution or even setting RAW, you're still not going to get a real full resolution image out of the sensor because it is not set up to work like that physically.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Misterxtc:
A few shots from yesterday at the camp. The pics are from morning till night in that order.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
Fall bike ride.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Utini:
I can't do it myself atm since I am on vacation in Japan and only got my phone with me (and not sure which tool to use on android to make exact crops without quality loss compression) but will do it once I get back home in 2 weeks.

BUT:

Maybe you could make two pictures (1x 50mp, 1x 12mp) and crop in (e.g. 200%) and save them side-by-side to compare easier? Would need to be uploaded somewhere else since xda does compression. You could send it via mail to me and I can host in on my webserver.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
I mean, I've already tried doing that here but yeah, the compression here sucks. That said, if you really have to get in that close to see any difference (which you pretty much have to) then the difference is negligible. From my testing already, the difference between a shot taken at 12 vs "full" resolution is not as much as it should be if it were a true "full" reso shot. There is a physical limitation in place due to how the bayer filter is implemented. Y'all can try to dance around it but it is very much there. You can't get a true full resolution image out of a sensor that has been physically set to be binned. The sensor has a filter arrangement designed to make it a 12mp sensor. The best they can do is to massage the data after the fact to bleed the neighboring groupings into each other a tad more.

I'm pretty sure the only reason we have the "full" resolution is because so many people whined about it that Google "gave" it to them but not really. So now we have all these people running around celebrating having the full resolution but obviously have no idea what a 48-50mp file would actually look like. If anything, when I look at these files, they don't even really look like 24-26mp files that come out of my standalone cameras.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
I'll be sticking to binned shots, i use my phone as a quick but high quality pocket shooter that doesn't require any thought, I'd take my DSLRs and L lenses if i wanted full control.

(My personal preference only of course)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Tool Belt:
A couple sun rise pictures.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Where do you live, Venus?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Tool Belt:
Las Cruces NM.....and quit calling me Venus.........
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
A couple of Pelicans in St James's Park London.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Misterxtc:
My son's cat getting up to greet me.

My girl on our daily walk.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Finally, dark skies. The ultra wide works but there is a noticeable dip in quality when you use it.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
relaxing
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Wow! You can actually pick out galaxies and clusters! I'm surprised and can't wait to get out west to dark skies at some point. I'm guessing since you said the ultra wide dipped in quality that these are the main camera?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Mrowkarz123:
I love the ultrawide macro lens.

Yet to test the astrophotography mode myself when the weather allow for it. Curious of what can I get with it compared to my bigger camera (I do astrophotography as a hobby).
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
No there are a couple in there taken with the ultra wide 🙂 it's just a shame the Milky Way core is not viewable from the UK until the spring now, although these were taken in the opposite direction anyway.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Yeah, I have a couple of places I like to go that would in theory make great places to shoot it but in reality aren't.... no matter what other people say. Olympic National Park seashore? Marine layer. Every. Single. Night. Rocky Mountain National Park? Light pollution from the greater Ft Collins/Loveland/Longmont/Boulder/Denver/Colorado Springs metropolitan area. (Estes Park itself has gotten pretty bad in the past decade.) Arches National Park? Moab light pollution. All of it right where the core should be. I could just go out into the middle of Kansas a few hours but.... no.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Misterxtc:
Blasted a little brass at the range today.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] DanielF50:
These inspired me to try out astro mode on my drive - this shot is a 4.5 min exposure with a couple of edits on Google photos, super interesting.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Very nice, Jupiter, the Pleiades and the Hyades all clearly visible
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Astrophotography time lapse 🙂 (they were very faint and out over the north sea so no light pollution)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Utini:
Off topic question but do you guys use a "screen protector" for the camera bar? I wonder if that would negatively affect photos?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Nope. I never use any sort of protective filter. Lens hoods and lens caps for my lenses for my standalone cameras. Phone cases with protective lips for my phone. The P8P already has enough issues with internal flare, best to not introduce anything extra.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Utini:
Hmm I just sold my 2 year old P6P where I also only used a case with raised lips around the camera and noticed quite a lot of micro scratches. I never have my phone in a pocket with other things. And I wonder if those micro scratches might not introduces bigger problems after some time?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
No, i have never bothered on a phone :)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Laurence Sylman:
P8P
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] fkofilee:
Some of mine... - Might have to click them to see them
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Great pic but what a COOL bar! Where is this?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Laurence Sylman:
Downtown Toronto
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
The Moon... (50 MP)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Unedited - Prep for Chicken Stir Fry last night and my Kitchen Shelves
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] AbOoDybillo:
I hope you like it 🙂
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Attempted a fireworks shot. It's... meh. I think this is where the development they were attempting before the departure of the main photo guy would have been beneficial. (They were looking at retaining detail in bright areas but also keeping night shot. Unfortunately, they parted ways with the head dev and I think the IP stayed with Google so we get what we get. I was really excited about that.)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Did grab this though. B&W conversion and perspective adjustment through Snapseed.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
I know, i know, its only an old street sign but in the UK Grape Lane (and a few other variations) used to be called Gropec*nt Lane, unsurprisingly it is (well it was) a street where the ladies of the night used to ply their trade.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
I was ill over Christmas so i don't remember much let alone take any photos, best i managed was a snap of Edinburgh castle a couple of days before i got really bad.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Hope you're feeling better
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
i am feeling much better now thank you, i don't remember much of Christmas though sadly.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Has anyone taken any night sight time lapses yet that they would like to share?
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] CHH2:
Unfortunately, I've been locked into areas with a lot of light pollution since getting the P8P. Debating a trip out west in February but a lot is up in the air next month. Work has mentioned travelling me more. Would be nice if they sent me to one of our IHS sites out west.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Mrowkarz123:
I haven't had a proper cloudless night since like 3 months. I've only bring out my astrophoto gear few times between the clouds to tweak it but nothing more, so didn't test the P8P too.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Really cold and crisp in the UK at the minute so the perfect time for a moon shot, better late than never i guess.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
no edits, this is what the camera saw. The colors of the third photo are more of what it actually looked like, which was quite breathtaking. I was on my way out the door to work 7:45am EST, last week.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
One of my brothers tiny dog "attacking" me :ROFLMAO:
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Mrowkarz123:
Macro mode and night sight (handheld) are really good. Yet to test the astrophotography mode properly.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753205544205090886
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Mallard Ducks
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Saw a Bald Eagle today...
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Mallard Duck and The Moon. Moon edited with Photos unblur (wish we could insert 50mp shots).
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] FeedingTheFire:
Yo man can you please share screenshots on every setting you use to make these beautiful pictures. also do you have the cam looking abit grainy before taking pictures? i cant understand why it is like that, because the picture when taken is pretty okey looking. but when i zoom in hard it gets grainy so please share. settings. Like i show on my screenshots here. dont mind the language the phones looks the same so i will still understand yours etc. also if there is any setting outside of camera that i need to turn on for these beautiful pictures of yours i be glad to do that to. im tired of my ****ty pictures. Also i'm going to start making some youtube videos for fun. so if you can share some good screen/settings for that to <3
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
I've not altered anything to be honest although i have auto night sight off as sometimes i want the night to actually look like the night and not the middle of the day and macro is off, i don't use the pro mode and the viewfinder does get more grainy as the light fades.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
The church was built in the 14th centaury and is St. Michael's Old Church, in Betws-y-Coed, Wales and the sunset was out of a moving van window last night
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
This is Dayton, Ohio and there is quite some light pollution here. Despite that the Pixel's astroshots look pretty great.

"...It's full of stars."
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] kondi10:
I took a picture in Colonia del Sacramento (Uruguay) about an hour after the sunset. That's the view over La Plata river. The lights in the distance are of Buenos Aires (obv. Argentina).
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] chetly968:
Some of these photos, a lot of these photos, are unreal
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
hmm, once in a while I come across a photo that doesn't look possible with the P8P, but certainly not "a lot". I also have no evidence. It would be great if you could point that out.

cheers
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
You could just look at the EXIF to check if you are unsure :)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] DanielF50:
A couple of photos from the weekend antics. Minor exposure/colour/crop adjustments, etc via Lightroom Mobile.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Battlestation!
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Mrowkarz123:
One is a standard Orion shot, and on the second one there is M31 visible, as well as 12P/Pons-Brooks comet (tho it's faind and you have to zoom in ti see it).

Currently waiting for the milky way core to become visible :)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Mrowkarz123:
I forgot to take a milky way photo with my phone (was busy with a proper camera) but I did took an Orion shot with a 5X telephoto lens on a star tracker (tho I feel like the stabilisation contradicted the star tracker movement a bit, and couldn't find a setting to turn it iff completly). It's only one 16s shot at max iso. Was going to take multiple shots and stack them, but somehow messed the settings up and I'm left with one "preview" shot.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Mrowkarz123:
Captured some very faint Aurora Borealis today :)

Sadly, although solar wind speed and strenght are very high (over 800km/s and 30nT of Bt) the more important parameter, Bz is terrible at over 20nT so the aurora was already disappearing when the clouds moved away. But still, got a glimpse of it, shot a short time lapse with my camera and a few shots with my P8 Pro :) All done with 6s night sight.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Came across a friendly squirrel that would happily feed from your hand.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Very nice! It's hard to get squirrels to do that.

The female Mallard here will also feed from my hand. The male, however, is a little bit wary so I just put the food down in front of him.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] liggerz87:
I thought the photo was a sign of r*pelane I was wtf it how it's cropped lol
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
It was at Peasholm Park in Scarborough, years and years of people doing it has made them really friendly, you end up with loads of them following you like the Pied Piper :ROFLMAO:
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] allenrb2:
Not the best photo, but a neat one. It was overcast during the eclipse, and I was having to drive somewhere for work, but I got this out of my car window. You can't see the eclipse directly, but you can in the reflections around the Sun.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
not the best either, but more than I expected. total eclipse right in my backyard. Can't ask for more.

Triggering remotely from my Pixel Watch 2 if you look closely :)
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Buzzzzzzzzzz
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
Last night was spectacular, i hope some of you got where it was really dark.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] HipKat:
Man, I wanted to, but I get up at 4AM so I was in bed. Great shot there!
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
yeah, some of my neighbors got much better pictures of veils in green and red. Mine was mostly red within the trees surrounding us. Also, sorry that this is an S24 Ultra shot here in the P8P section.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
The storm is still happening and they should be visible again tonight.

This is a time lapse from an astrophotography shot from last night.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] derausgewanderte:
Nice!!
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] MrBelter:
A macro shot of the mouth of a sea urchin.
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] ItzMar:
cat
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Southern Magnolias are blooming...
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] golfgtiedition30:
Insects having fun time in my garden
[Google Pixel 8 Pro] Lughnasadh:
Lotta fun 😁
[OnePlus Pad] horsecharles:
So it has all the deceptive following: Phone & SMS apps, Mobile Data settings tab, plus various embedded associated settings like Share Mobile Data \ Connection \ Internet, Enable Bluetooth Tether, enable NFC. Plus a pinhole on bezel side insinuating Sim tray.

Been using it since debut, but since I've been homebound a few months, figured why activate \ needlessly spend that money.

Bad joke surprise- no wonder price so cheap.

It's only a WiFi tablet...Mobile Data is only a disabled placeholder \ there's no sd or sim slot, or even eSim(even though earlier release OP 11 has) \ sharing Data only means receiving mode(maybe can daisychain Share \ send while it's receiving, who cares) \ no NFC(prolly only uses aspects of it when sharing Data) \ phone & SMS apps only for using paired phone's connection.

Between that, Pad Go, bootloaders now locked down tight, and the looming Fold priced at $1700- have no more need for OP \ all advantages over Samsung evaporated.

So hoping for a 5G Phablet...& a Fold that uses the almost 7" screens ubiquitous in flagships (Fold 6.3").
[OnePlus Pad] maddler:
I can understand you might or might not like the device or the challenges of locked bootloader (matter of personal taste) but nowhere in the specs it says it has 5G connectivity, (e)SIM, SD Slot or NFC.

I'm perfectly happy with the device, to be honest but, again, that's a matter of personal taste.