yashsingh1/xdaforums huggingface dataset:
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] 魔法少女范德彪:
i believe, some people and me, we just want to what happened with the thread and confirm it still alive, but in telegram someone said: don't ask, otherwise one ask the update will delay one day, its too weird.

i haven't any complain and urge mean. i think discuss and communicate is a best way to make PA project better.

In the end, thanks for maintainer's contribute, thank for maintainer use his time and energy to gave us an good experience rom.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] upalrahman:
I believe the dev can share the reason for the delay at least ( not that he is bound to ). .. it's better communicated .. no?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] xjunko:
It's most likely that the dev(s) are sick of this kind of question, it'll be better if everyone just chill out and wait for the update to come out. It's not like the current build is broken (to the point where it's unusable) or anything like that.

:>
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] fpozar:
But guys he literally did confirm it's still alive when he promised to update on the weekend two weeks ago. Ok it's a bit late but it's not like he didn't respond for 3 months...

Take a chill pill, what should he do, update to you every day that he, in fact, still is working on the rom?

And yes - IMO you are acting entitled as the question was asked 10 times since he announced the update. He is not doing this for you personally so either wait or go to another ROM, it's very simple. I literally can not believe that some people are smart enough to flash a ROM but can't understand common etiquette
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] anr120991:
I mean, if you lurk enough in most ROM thread it's a general rule that you don't ask for ETA..
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] tami626:
Guys, I smell some update coming.

These are fresh from today.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] 魔法少女范德彪:
I found another information to confirm the thread still alive. It’s the README.MD file in flash kit directory. a few days ago, the MD file date has a updated. Here has changed the XIAOMI latest firmware update link.

of course, i havent any complain, i like the project and appreciate GR‘s contribute always.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Snippet_q:
That "jokes" is always annoying me when I check that telegram channel.

Tbh, the whole telegram thing is just BS. I knew the moment people decided to stop using XDA is the day the communities will start to degrade. XDA has moderators and that helps a lot, physically and mentally, of devs not having to dealing with BS stuff like this.

Now look at what happened. Even Melt kernel dev quit.

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Providing feedback is good but doesn't mean you own the dev to do the work for you especially with volunteering project like custom roms. Plus, bringing other roms in the conversation is disrespecting the works of both as eventually someone will bringing flaws in another rom/dev of that rom up and it'll just another sh*t show.

Again. Custom rom is a voluntary work, not obligation. I have seen since Whyred (note 5) and at the present it's in the most toxic state ever. It's to the point that I wonder if there'll be a custom rom community left for the devices that'll be released in the next 5 years.

Ps. I think GR already mentioned that he's in the exam period and that's why he has gone silence since.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] 魔法少女范德彪:
I see, if GR is prepare for exam, l hope he can achieve good grade. Telegram user really weird, i think the “joke” is unfunny too.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] dvelev:
Hi,

the more impatient among you can support the developer by donating.

In the first post:

https://xdaforums.com/t/rom-14-paranoid-android-uvite-poco-f5-redmi-note-12-turbo-marble.4635595/
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] gunshot111:
Mine's one is getting shifted to no data transfer automatically after clicking on usb tethering and with usb debugging on it doesn't tether.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] allanmarcel:
I have a problem with the clock, sometimes it gets stuck at a certain time and the alarm clock doesn't work, would it be possible to fix it without resetting it?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] cobrax2:
The only bug i've found since last version appeared is that maybe once every 1-2 days Brave browser "forgets" the visited and bookmarks links and acts as it is newly installed. A force close fixes that. I suspect it has something to do with some permissions that get reset or something? Tried fresh reinstall, the same
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] aoyos:
Because of change in priorities, marble updates are suspended till further notice.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] emirbaranoral:
This roms battery life is far best and it doesn't have the weird bugs like screen flickering. Thanks for this masterpiece 💚
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
This statement is for the gontenks unofficial builds?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] bryceton:
Not sure but definitely not effecting me on the lastest version (never tried unofficial)
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] cobrax2:
I'm on official too. Don't know why this happens
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] krishhari2105:
Did you try updating the google play system update?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] krishhari2105:
Yes it is.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] cobrax2:
Yes, i'm up to date with everything. And after i kill Brave, when i start it again, it works normally
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] aoyos:
Same developer. If there is no unofficial builds, where is the official builds?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] dostname:
Not the same developer
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
There are recent changes made by Adithya on the gerrit, including today.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] dvelev:
Let's clarify:

This applies to unofficial updates.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] tami626:
Indeed. I keep checking it and there has been a lot of movement lately. I am pretty sure the next update is close.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] 魔法少女范德彪:
THE NEW UPDATE HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN OFFCIAL WEBSITE!!!

EXCITED!! (and i found a good news for our marble user, its the new developer gotenksIN name is shows in offcial website!)

Thanks ghostrider_reborn and gotenksIN and AOSPA!
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] mohammadhazer7:
Hello, has anyone installed this option?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] adithya2306:
Paranoid Android Uvite 4 is out!

Changelog, download links:

https://paranoidandroid.co/marble/uvite-beta-4

#stayparanoid
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
Thanks Sar 🙏🙏🙏
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] upalrahman:
Battery Backup seems to be decreased in this build.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] cobrax2:
What is battery backup?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
From reading comments on Telegram, it's battery life. What it has to do with backup is anyone's guess.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] ankurcshah:
Can someone who is using the rom tell me if there is option for changing fonts and if so which ones are available?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] GiaBảo0501:
phone reboots continuously when i set an alarm
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
Using B-4: I have an alarm set for weekdays 6:00 - no reboots.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Master_T:
It seems to be working at the moment with my recurrent alarms, but I also have had unreliable alarms in general on this ROM. When you set a one time alarm in particular it seems to be a coin toss whether it goes off or not. I've started setting 2-3 of them at 5 minutes intervals just to be safe.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] diegopl2:
Thanks a lot. Flashed and great performance, like last builds.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] msnnsm:
I couldn't charge my phone with clean flash of latest build. No charger/cable worked until I flash Melt kernel.

Edit: Somehow I was on old firmware. Flashing new firmware fixed the issue. My bad.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] GiaBảo0501:
what FW you used?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
I have a Redmi Note 12 Turbo, using OS1.0.3.0.UMRCNXM
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] mohammadhazer7:
In this first, is the feature in the screenshot active?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] devaansh98:
I know somehow off-topic, but can anyone upload the latest Topaz unofficial build (Android 13), only the stable (older one) is still having a valid link, the unofficial series were stored on pixeldrain and all the links have expired since. Of course, the ghostrider build... latest unofficial fastboot package please.

I want to go back to that, since I felt that was better for me (battery and such) compared with Uvite. Thanks in advance.

LE: file name is aospa-topaz-unofficial-marble-20231211-image.zip
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] carlese:
@ghostrider_reborn any chance of seeing colored app icons in status bar implemented here? Like EvoX or crdroid
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] mohammadhazer7:
How is this feature activated in the new Prime???
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] LittleDoritos:
yea it seems even if you set apps to restricted battery usage in background they still run in background. turning on battery saver fixes this problem
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] upalrahman:
USB tethering doesn’t work too in this build for me. worst update.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] motivator24:
May I use the builtin' recovery' to flash any other AOSAP ROMS such as Evo-x ? Or does it check a signature of uvite ?

Which twrp.img is the best for flashing for AOSP ROM's ?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] uradryct:
Use orangefox
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] motivator24:
which version ? On OF website is only a file for F5 pro.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Akki:
USB tethering bug is still there in latest build.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] uradryct:
Releases · Ctapchuk/android_device_xiaomi_marble-OFRP

OFRP device tree for POCO F5/Redmi Note 12 Turbo Edition - Ctapchuk/android_device_xiaomi_marble-OFRP

github.com
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] motivator24:
Works like a dream. Many thanks.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] XDrz:
Brother Biao, what is the best ROM for 12T at present? I haven't played with the phone for two years. I see that the little green book is very turbulent recently. Loss or aosp? This or KangOS next door?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Yawar.:
How is the battery consumption on this Rom? I have now installed Hyper Os by Xiaomi eu and the consumption is a bit high. 6% per minute with multimedia content.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Matthus:
Hello and thank you for this rom ! It's been working really great for the past few weeks.

But I'm still here to post about one issue I have, I can't send nor receive MMS.

The APN settings are the one advertised by my carrier (Bouygues Telecom), and switching to another SMS app doesn't resolve the issue. It was working on MIUI.

I've attached the extracted log file with the relevant lines.

Thank you for your help and for this ROM !

Edit : I tried with a Sim card from another carrier (Orange) and it's still not working.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] zammy:
FYI :

Fast Charging is now broken with the last update (PA 14 beta 4)
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] 魔法少女范德彪:
😂 until now, i think the aospa is most suited for note12T, its has official support, balance between stable and power performance. all in all, don't use any ku'an(coolapk) personal change stock rom. be care for spiteful format script and data leak. by the way, if you want to use aospa, use maintainer way to flash is more stablity than use OrangeFox or TWRP
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] 魔法少女范德彪:
and i saw in ku'an(cookapk), someone(Dog_EZ) said the code repo has been created in lineageos offcial Github(open source kernel, but LineageOS maintianer said official only accept the stock kernel device). So if you want to try lineageOS，wait a while maybe better.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
How to flash last bulid with DFE?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Master_T:
I just used the Screen Reocrd feature on this ROM for the first time yesterday... is it just me or the recording of device audio is broken? The video gets recorded but even if I select "record device audio" the recording is completely silent. Can someone confirm that it isn't just me? Any workarounds or solutions?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] diegopl2:
In my device (last Uvite rom) screen recording works perfectly, no record device audio problem. Are you using the las firmware?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] bryceton:
Possible bug:

Switching Data from sim card 1 to 2 on occasion causes system crash but not always. note one of my sims is 5ber which perhaps itself is causing the problem
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] oprz_5:
New to this thread.

Can I follow this for root without breaking playintegrity

1. Install AOSPA using fastboot

2. Fastboot ofox recovery

3. Install melt kernel

4. Install ksumanager

Also the github page of melt kernel mentions that the developer(Pzqqt) is unsure of its compatibility with OSS based ROMS. Will it be a problem?

If not the above method, could anyone please guide me to ideal method to have root and playintegrity in AOSPA?

Many thanks in advance
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] uradryct:
What you just write is fine
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Master_T:
I have extracted the boot image from the ROM zip file, patched it with the KSU app and flashed it, I can confirm it works perfectly, so if you're unsure about changing kernel you may follow this route to patch the original kernel.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] adithya2306:
Paranoid Android Uvite 5 is out!

This release includes July security patch, light theme for QS panel, launcher icon/text size setting and more.

Device changelog, download links:

https://paranoidandroid.co/marble/uvite-beta-5

#stayparanoid
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] oprz_5:
Could be the safer way. I might go ahead with this. Thanks
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
is that nothing different between recovery and fastboot file except flashing step? Sorry for this question
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Master_T:
Don't know if it's random bad luck, but a warning: I dirty flashed this over beta 4 (using OF) and after rebooting several apps started crashing repeatedly. After another reboot, the system didn't boot at all and was shutting down immediately after the POCO logo. It seems something wrong and it corrupted the data partition. I've formatted the data partition and reflashed and now it seems to work without issue, but just a heads up: it might be prudent to backup your data before you try to dirty flash this buikd.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
what method do you use recovery or fastboot?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
I upgraded using the fastboot script, no problems.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
without format data right?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
Yes no formatting, updated firmware and ROM using the firmware.sh and aospa.sh scripts
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
update in root or non root position?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
I don't understand your question, the scripts are here https://github.com/adithya2306/aospa-flashing-kit
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
ah sorry i'm not good in english,

I mean,

when you did update,

did your device have magisk/ksu or not?

and some modules maybe
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] kk131:
Not modified, I've never rooted Paranoid or used a third-party kernel.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
Okke Thanks Sir
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
succcesfully updated with sideload,

Thanks GR
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] maso09:
Hello, when pocket mode is activated and the device is set to vibrate only, the device simply stops vibrating after a few vibrations at calls(when the pocket mode message disappears again) When pocket mode is deactivated, everything works. Is this a bug or my fault?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Hamicooli:
Hello, I want to report a bug:

After upgrading from beta 4 to beta 5, when pulling down the quick settings panel, there are some strange black lines appearing at the rounded corners. Many users on Coolapk (a Chinese tech community) have also encountered the same issue.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] DhruvaKumarDK:
Hi Dev,

Thank you very much for your awesome work on this ROM.

I'm seeing random reboots in beta 4 and beta 5 build.

I just wanted to ask if this is normal.

Thanks
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] keiyrno:
i'am not find that issue, maybe you can try to clean flash.

and make sure to follow instruction carefully.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Rajat Paradva:
I installed uvite beta 5 with clean flash ( fastboot method ) i found out the Play system update not working in this build and causing random reboot when you install a play system update. and Play system update not installing properly it shows update after every reboot.

Sent from 23049PCD8I using ReLabs
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Rajat Paradva:
@adithya2306 I installed uvite beta 5 with clean flash ( fastboot method ) i found out the Play system update not working in this build and causing random reboot when you install a play system update. and Play system update not installing properly it shows update after every reboot.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] DhruvaKumarDK:
Yeah, even I'?m facing this from beta 4
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Windoors:
Bug: No way to cancel accidental back button touch.

Expected behaviour: If you touch back button accidentally, then you can cancel it by keeping it long pressed or by dragging your finger to a different part of screen without lifting it.

What's happening: Doing above won't cancel back button. It only works for home and recents.

Strangely above bug is noticed in apps such as dialler, settings, chrome etc but not in contracts, messages etc
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Revontheus:
It's working fine for me. When you swipe from the left or right to go back, just swipe back to the starting position and the back button is cancelled.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Windoors:
I was referring to buttons, not gesture navigation. The bug is with back button in navigation.

I also found this bug in Pixelextended ROM. Not found in PixelOS
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Revontheus:
You can try the unofficial builds in the AOSPA Telegram group and see if that fixes it for you. Otherwise, you can use PixelOS.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] schmoove:
Amazing rom, working nicely.

Just the ambient display (AOD) is buggy.

When I enable it, it works. I get the always on display, but can't wake the phone anymore. The display stays black.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] aing666:
pa topaz stable 3 wen
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Windoors:
Please add support for 32 bit apps
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] zelos156:
Never

And Never
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] neonusr:
Hello! I have one issue with my phone carrier. In official miui i needed to disable VoLTE carrier check to enable this function. In crDroid it appeared out of box. Here in paranoid i dont see VoLTE in sim settings. And command for disable VoLTE Check from miui dont work (as i suggested, but anyway tried). Could you help me fix this?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Einzigartigitsme:
can we expect future updates? for the same device?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Revontheus:
There have been numerous unofficial updates by the developer. It's all on the Telegram group. Currently, the latest builds are for AOSPA Android 14 (uvite).
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] tami626:
I apologize for my ignorance, but what makes those builds unofficial, when they come from the same developer? Thanks for the info though!
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Revontheus:
It's termed as unofficial because the dev is still ironing out bugs before certifying it as an official build. Nonetheless, the unofficial builds are more than stable for daily use. The A13 ones even fix alot of the bugs the official release has.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Llloooggg:
Hi. Has the telegram channel with the unofficial versions been removed? It disappeared from me yesterday and I thought there used to be a link to it here, but I can't find it now
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] tami626:
Indeed. Does anyone know what happened?
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] zelos156:
The user probably uploaded the fw from another device, which bricked the phone. Of course, he blamed the developer for his stupidity. Which in turn couldn't stand it and deleted the channel. He was fed up with stupid comments. We can only ask him to change his mind, although I doubt it will do any good.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Revontheus:
The developer got bullied by a bunch of kids and decided to delete the entire Telegram Group, ROM Files, etc.
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] w_tapper:
i hate this crappy community i want to go back go pixel
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] zelos156:
Yeah true! Phone is good but people is not lol...
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] maahmd:
When we depend on the Custom rom only, this is the result because it is owned by one person only..He can leave anytime he wants
[Xiaomi Poco F5 / Redmi Note 12 Turbo (China)] Snippet_q:
I'm surprised to see that some people thought this is dev's fault.

I mean the instruction is already cleared from the start. Official one is on A13 and you can use MIUI fw and can be flashed by TWRP.

Unofficial one, A14 uvite, needs hyperOS firmware to do so as the rom is build on A14 and TWRP is no longer recommended to be used for a very, very long time due to the fact that it couldn't handle the dynamic partitions (which is why you saw many alternative custom recoveries lately). So you need to flash it via fastboot method (which is actually the safest way to do so).

Some of illiterate people didn't understand this and just spamming the channel. It's been for a month now since new year when 1st unofficial uvite was released so I guess he just had enough.

The device is good but I just can't fathom why the community has been this toxic? I don't think surya, lavender or whyred combined has this level of toxicity.

Now with GR gone, SK is on leave for his personal reason and YukongA sold his device, I guess this device is doomed. There are still some good developers there like Joey or JYR but I just wonder how long they'll endure this toxicity.