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[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Robson:
sticking to my fold 4 but just adding in my 2 cents.

still considered a rumour until the official specs come out but this website seems to indicate water resistance. if you'll scroll down you'll come across:

According to Blass’s leak, the Pixel Fold will be 5.5 inches tall, 3.1 inches wide, and 0.5 inches thick when folded. When unfolded, it will be 5.5 by 6.2 by 0.2 inches. The total weight will be 283 grams. The Pixel Fold will have IPX8 water resistance, USB-C 3.2 gen 2, and more.

website: https://www.digitaltrends.com/mobile/google-pixel-fold-price-release-date-specs-news-rumors/

which now opens another can of worms regarding the weight. fold 4's weight is 263g and supposedly the fold 5 will be even lighter.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Flame Red:
https://www.xda-developers.com/google-pixel-fold-launch/

Guess I'll have to see it in person somewhere next month and make up my mind.

IMHO, Samsung seems hesitant to step up their game in the foldable arena.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] elio321:
Pixel FOLD is no competition for SAMSUNG Z FOLD series...the SPen alone gives SAMSUNG the win every time for me....just wait til the Z FOLD 6 tri foldable...that will be what I upgrade from the Z FOLD 4 to next..Z FOLD 5 has no advantage over the Fold 4...
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Antyhaker:
How do you know if 5 hasn't released yet?
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ycats:
My 2 cents on Samsung's foldables. I would say I've been intrigued looking at the foldables by Xiaomi, Huewei, Otto, Google and Vivo.....they look nice, even the crease looks less visible than Samsung's, but they miss on some things, I forget which one, but doesn't have 5G, another can't do MMS, may or may not be water resistant, camera not as good, etc. Although Samsung could get better and will, no need to jump ship as yet. I was looking hard into the Vivo X Fold2 and thought about getting it, but takes some tweaks and other things to try and get it to work well. I will probably keep my ZFold4 until the 6.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] MySelf_v1:
I wouldn't buy the Fold 5 but for sure the Fold 6. I'd rather go for the pixel since I want to experience the tensor chipset.

This told I am and would never be done with foldables, I'd just like a double screen device that is able to manage screens separately.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ycats:
Looks like the only thing the ZFold5 will be different, is the gap near the hinge goes away.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ultramag69:
I've got the Vivo V fold. Unfoirtunately Chinese only rom., Oppo Find N the same. Great hardware but the software is lacking and too hard to use easily.

Thought I'd try the Techno Phantom V Fold. It's a butt load cheaper than the Samsung or any other foldable out there. Specs are decent and the reviews are pretty good. Seems to do everything the Z Fold does at 1/2 the price.

I also like the full size front screen. The Z Fold is just to narrow.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] d.cortez:
i'm going with the Pixel fold, mainly for aspect ratio when folded. that's very appealing to me vs. the Fold 4. i'm hoping there are no issues with the Pixel Fold. if there are issues, i'll stick with my Fold 4 for another year.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Peanuttree:
I'm going to wait and see how this game plays out. The real contenders are going to be the Fold 6 and the Pixel Fold 2.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] 小林 卍:
it has tho. better hinge, less crease, better DAC, better camera sensor, better display, better speaker and maybe even better battery
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] _GRIZZLY_:
Better, better but how much better compare to F4? Visible better or only in my mind because this is newer device.

We need wait for unveild F5, first impressions and then consider change or not F4 to newer version.

Addition is question how much we need pay extra for this evolution but this is personal answer of course.

Conclusion I am too wait for unveild F5 :)
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ycats:
Yeah, waiting for final specs of the ZFold5 to see if it's worth upgrading. Reason why last August I upgraded from the ZFold3 to the 4, was about three weeks before the 1 yr warranty expired, the inner screen protector peeled along the crease, top to bottom. So Samsung gave me a place to take it to to get screen protector replaced, the girl didn't do a great job, had bubbles..........so when the 4 came out, pulled the trigger on the upgrade since Samsung offered $1000 trade-in.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] sunking101:
I'm happy to stick with my Fold 4 for another year or two. The only thing that worries me is that I might open the interior display one day and have it crack on me. At the moment I have the Samsung accidental insurance but it expires when the device is one year old...
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ycats:
My Fold3 did that (not actually a crack) two or three weeks before the 1 yr was up. I opened it up, the inner screen protector peeled from top of the crease all the way down. I got in touch with Samsung and they made an appointment for me the next day at a place nearby to have the screen protector replaced, the girl didn't do a great job, had several small bubbles........so traded it in when the Fold4 came out.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Free Flow:
Android in general is just terrible on folding phones and I find myself using the slim outside display more than I initially thought when I bought the phone and rarely use the inner display due to the constraints of Android.

If I can get PostmarketOS to run on the Pixel Fold (Unable to on modern Samsung - Qualcomm edition devices), that might make me consider it as the large screen would be able to run a full Linux desktop and the outer display will run a Linux phone UI.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
Odd, I've only had my Fold 4 for a couple of weeks but I find the folding screen and what it can do in terms of multi-tasking and other features a revelation. As such I'd say I spend over 90% of my phone use with the screen open.

What part of the Fold 4's inner screen do you find terrible and constrained?
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Free Flow:
The first few weeks I enjoyed the tinkering as well, it initially is interesting simply for curiosity sake, but give it a few months and it gets boring.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
I've had various mobile devices for 30 years, and I've had so many (check my signature) that I'm well past the stage of knowing what I will and will not eventually find boring. I can tell you that you're incorrect.

You didn't answer the question. What is it you find constrained and terrible?
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Free Flow:
Clearly you're someone that buys a product and gets childishly defensive when someone is critical of that same device.

Android on large screens is very limited compared to iPadOS, Windows, Linux, MacOS & ChromeOS.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
Wait, what? I'm childishly defensive because, through curiosity, I asked for you to elaborate on your reasons to claim that something is terrible and constrained?

The farce is strong with this one.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Nat.smith26:
I have the Fold 4 for almost a year now and still use the inner display 90% of the time, my Tab S7+ is now in a drawer.

If you wanted a bigger screen for the same usage thats not the right device.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] kickenwing13:
I haven't made the plunge into this yet, but am a typical tech nerd who promises to God himself. He will keep a phone for more than 2 years this time because it's the one, only to be pre-ordering something 6 months later. I have a pixel 7 pro that I just got a warranty replacement for because of some dead pixels and part of me wants to leave it in the box. Sell it on swappa for as much as I can get out of it and ride out my microsoft surface duo one as a daily driver until this fall when the fold 5 comes out. I really miss the s pen stuff, the surface duo can't do it, nothing seems to be able to do it other than Samsung stuff and the idea of doing it on an unfolded tablet phone. Phone. It's pretty enticing. 23 ultra was pre-ordered but I canceled it the morning after pre-ordering. It. Seems like an amazing phone though. Not really sure what to do. It seems like you all are pretty Happy with your fold.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
I had a Pixel 7 Pro before this. I liked the Pixel but to make it clear this is a massive upgrade in every way bar the camera. But the camera on the Fold is more than good enough for what I need.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] propov8:
I'm going to upgrade definitely. Snap 8.2 is better for battery. A little bit weight saving and a body - screens optimization are welcome too. Camera improvement. I don't expect Fold 5 to be something like a game changer. Because it is a market leader with a large margin. It must be clear that Samsung no need to make a revolution.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] elio321:
That revolution will come with the tri folding Fold 6....my money will be on that...
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] kickenwing13:
Lol so what do I do. I can get the four for like 900 right now. Sell my Microsoft surface Duo and my pixel 7 pro and totally pay for it and use it until maybe the fold 6 if I'm hooked.. or wait for the deals. I'm in a position to sign with a new wireless carrier. If AT&t happens too. Have good deals or if Samsung offers deals. Are the deals worth waiting for or should I take advantage of the people that only hold on to phones for a short time for once in my life instead of being one and get the z fold 4 mint on Swappa .
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] swamp7:
I'm going to wait until August and see what the reviews say about the Pixel Fold and the Z Fold 5. I really like my zf4, but will switch to one of the new ones if the reviews warrant it.

Also, it looks like there's no trade-in deal for zf4->pixel fold, true? That may make up my mind right there, because I'm sure I'll be able to trade in for the zf5...
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] 94b20gsr:
With Samsung, I always trade in during pre-order since the deals are much better than waiting until full release. I'm moving forward regardless if for nothing else than to reset the clock on the warranty. There are always improvements, how beneficial those are can only be determined by your use case and priorities. When I looked at the Pixel Fold the trade-in value for the Fold 4 was $900 in the US. The deal for ZF4->ZF5 will surely be better.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] mickliq:
Like others, I had the F3 and upgraded to the F4 only because of the stellar trade in offer and the wider front display. Won't be trading for F5 since it's a minimal upgrade and not worth the hassle. It's disappointing that Samsung didn't put any real effort into the Fold this year - clearly they've channeled it to the Flip which is wise considering the huge step that the Razr+ has made, and also I think we may be at the tipping point where flippables at least are mainstream.

Anyway, back to tablet foldables, seeing all the Chinese devices in this category, not only now but over the next year before the F6, things are going to get super interesting. The Huawei Mate X3 is simply gorgeous and has a flagship camera, but of course it doesn't work properly with GMS. Ben's Gadget Reviews just did a more indepth look and it makes you very envious for a similar Samsung variant.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] galaxys:
Fyi, from XDA news...

Galaxy Z Fold 5 and Z Flip 5 full specs and renders leaked ahead of launch

The Z Fold 5 and Z Flip 5 are expected to debut at Samsung's Galaxy Unpacked event next month.

www.xda-developers.com
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
I think they've accidentally posted renders of the Fold 4 by the looks of it.

Happy to stick with my Fold 4, I doubt the improvements will be too substantial.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] crawls69:
Nope, I think the render is actually the Fold5. Note the flash situated to the right of the camera array in the picture versus the flash situated under the camera array on the Fold4. It appears that the Fold5 won't have many differences externally - most improvements to the Fold5 will probably be under the hood.

The improvements probably won't be enough to make me upgrade from the Fold4 to the Fold5 (unless I can get the Fold5 completely free when trading in the Fold4.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
I think you missed the sarcasm.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] crawls69:
Yes I did. Lol
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Flame Red:
So no pen for the Pixel Fold.

No 5G or Google Play Store on the Huawei.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
Not only that, but a lot of reports of the battery life being toilet, even after a week of use. One review said a battery life of 4 hours screen on time (see below), and that is with the outside screen being used a lot. I get between 6 and 7 hours SOT on my Fold 4 with 90%+ of my time on the folding screen. And worst of all, you can't set the external and intern home screens to be separate!

The Pixel Fold's battery life might improve over time with updates (my Pixel 7 Pro did) but I don't think it will ever match the Fold 4's, partly because the Gen 8 in the Fold 4 is the better and more efficient SOC.

Considering the deals you can get a Fold 4 on right now, you'd be mad to drop $1800 on a Pixel Fold if you want a foldable.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] al4d:
After a disappointing few days with the Pixel Fold, I have returned to my Samsung z-fold 4. The pixel is a beautiful looking phone, but the software experience pales next to the Samsung. I'm sure that will change after a couple of generations of phones, but the more I used the pixel fold the more I missed my z-fold. There were other issues as well but that was the biggie. Kind of a surprise actually, because I would have assumed that Google would have developed a superior software experience.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Antyhaker:
May I ask what do you mean?
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] latinohot:
Will stay with Samsung until crapple makes their fold version
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Flame Red:
Watch the Pixel Fold fail spectacularly in this durability test

Is it just me, or who would ever puposely try to bend their phone backwards in such a manner?
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
No one. Purposely. But s**t happens, and it's good to know how well your phone will stand up in an accident. Or how badly in the Pixel Fold's case.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] sunking101:
I've just changed to the S23 Ultra after owning a Z Fold 4 for 10 months. There are certain things I'll miss about the Fold (and that doesn't include the big screen) but the S23 Ultra is much better for me. Perhaps I'll move back to a folding device in a couple of years but right now I prefer a flagship candybar phone.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
I'm the opposite. My wife has an S23 Ultra, a fantastic phone and originally when I got the Fold 4 a few months back, I offered her a swap. But after using the Fold for a week I decided I didn't want to do it. The big screen is just too big a factor for me, and I admit I'm going to struggle to go back to a candy bar if that has to happen, despite the advantages they have. I've got an iPhone 13 Pro Max as a work phone, and using it just feels so constrained now, I've gotten so used to the screen estate of the Fold.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ycats:
I love the real estate too, wish the screen was 8" when open, but that would be greedy. I have been seeing videos on the new Honor Magic v2 and really impressed with it, only drawback I saw was it doesn't have wireless charging or fully waterproof, but not a deal breaker for me.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Flame Red:
Taking a quick look at the Sammy offers for the Fold 5, it does not appear the offers are as good as last year, at least for me in the US.

If I remember correctly, the trade in offer for the old Fold 3 was the same as last year. They offered the 512GB model upgrade for free. While they now offer a $50 off , if you signed up, they are not offering $200 credit for a future purchase like they did last year. I believe they also offered a free case last year but not this year.

It does not look like much of a significant upgrade to me.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] cmart4:
kinda sttinks that if it's the same dimensions as the ZF4, you still need a new case because of the flash move. Figured they would have at least a minimum camera upgrade.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
So other than the hinge folding completely flat, the new SOC and the inner display being brighter (although I've personally never thought once that the inner display on my Fold 4 wasnt bright enough), everything looks to be the same on the Fold 5. Including the cameras, battery size, charging speed and outer display. A major missed opportunity by Samsung I reckon, they've dropped the ball.

For those waiting to take the plunge into foldables, I wouldn't bother with the Fold 5 personally, save money and get a Fold 4. I mean, we're not talking small savings here, you could be looking at half the price given the inevitable deals there will be on last year's device. And the differences in real world use are quite literally negligible.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] srgonu:
Ture.. even with Fold3 am not impressed to upgrade. Probably will wait for an year or look at what Oneplus is going to offer. Pixel fold form factor is good but that SoC is bad.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
I used a Pixel Fold in store for a fair bit of time and I don't actually prefer the form factor. It's basically the opposite of the Fold, in that the outside screen is easier to use but the inner screen, thanks to being landscape by default, definitely is not. I was constantly turning it 90 degrees, where I only do that on my Fold for full screen video playback, the only action on which the Pixel has the advantage. And the idea of a folding phone for me is to use the inner screen for most tasks, and the outer one for answering and making calls, quickly responding to messages etc. This is why I use my inner screen for 90%+ of my screen on time each cycle.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Robson:
played around with the fold 5 on display at jb hifi at the plaza. it's okay, sure the gap is much smaller compared with the fold 4 but other than than that no real reason for me to upgrade. everything else is superficial in terms of changes. will wait on what the fold 6 brings.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] ultramag69:
Samsung has become complacent. They've been king of the foldables for too long and seem to think they're untouchable.

I find the outer screen too narrow, other opinions might differ but the keyboard, if I wish to txt someone, is too cramped and mostly unusable for my fat little fingers.

Yes, I use the inner screen for almost 95% of everything I do however that might change if the outer screen was more the size of a normal phone, I find myself opening the phone to check messages and emails because the outer screen is so not user friendly.

They need to incorporate the S-pen into the phone, It's just a pain having to carry it separately and the cases that have space means the phone wont sit flat when i want to use it that way.

And please, bring back SD card support... The sim tray on the Fold 5 pretty much is a major tease as there is AMPLE room to fit an SD card there... The mid tier range phones have SD card support, WHY, for the love of god, don't the flagship devices???!

I picked up the Tecno Phantom V Fold for around $2000Aud (included shipping and taxes), yes it's only the 256gb model but thats better than the $2500 Fold 4. It has a Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 SoC with 12 Gb of RAM, camera is comparable with the Fold 4 and screen is very good. No Water or dust resistance but then again, I don't shower with or bury my phones.

The outer screen is where it shines. Might only be a few mm bigger but you have NO idea how that helps.

Don't get me wrong, there are a few things that need improvement but for a 1st gen foldable it really is a solid foundation to build on...

If Samsung want to stay top of the heap they will need to lift they're game...
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] Beefheart:
Agree with a lot of that, except the complaints regarding the outer screen. I don't buy a foldable phone to use the outer screen, for me it's there for little more than to quickly check messages (and if any require a response, I will use the inner screen) and to answer the phone.

Unfortunately, the inner screen being portrait goes hand in hand with the outer screen being the way it is. The bottom line as far as I'm concerned, I'd rather the inner screen being more usable than the outer screen. Hence why I view my Samsung Z Fold 4 as being a much more usable and superior device than the Pixel Fold.
[Red Magic 8 pro] Mr-Zhag:
Hi all

I just received this phone today according to reviews there’s a lot of people mention about the camera not good enough so that’s the first thing to try, but unfortunately when I turn it on then directly go through to selfie mode so I switch to back camera mode but it freezing without respond at all. I updated the newest version then reboot the device still doesn’t work as well. Could anyone help please?
[Red Magic 8 pro] Samarimama:
In Google Play Store, there's a camera app. His name is Open Camera

link: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.sourceforge.opencamera
[Red Magic 8 pro] Mr-Zhag:
I just try it. It doesn’t have error but the quality of photo is kind of bad.
[Red Magic 8 pro] Samarimama:
Try other camera apps. :)
[Red Magic 8 pro] JWnSC:
Sounds like you undervolted gpu too much on konibess app or device doesn't like 692mhz oc. Raise voltages slightly until stable.
[Google Pixel 7 Pro] kodabmx:
Has anyone successfully built Android on Arch?

Seemingly no matter what repo I try to build from, it's never successful.

Here's the output trying to build Evo:

╭─░▒▓    /scratch/Evolution-X ─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── ✔  at 13:12:16  ▓▒░─╮
╰─ lunch evolution_cheetah-userdebug ─╯
In file included from build/make/core/config.mk:352:
In file included from build/make/core/envsetup.mk:352:
In file included from device/google/pantah/evolution_cheetah.mk:33:
device/google/gs201/evolution_common.mk:44: error: hardware/google/pixel/touch/device.mk: No such file or directory
13:12:19 dumpvars failed with: exit status 1
Device cheetah not found. Attempting to retrieve device repository from Evolution-X-Devices Github (http://github.com/Evolution-X-Devices).
Found repository: device_google_cheetah
Checking branch info
Calculated revision: tiramisu
already exists: device/google/cheetah
Syncing repository to retrieve project.
Fetching: 100% (1/1), done in 0.271s
repo sync has finished successfully.
Repository synced!
Looking for dependencies
Dependency already present in manifest: device_google_pantah => device/google/pantah
Done
In file included from build/make/core/config.mk:352:
In file included from build/make/core/envsetup.mk:352:
In file included from device/google/pantah/evolution_cheetah.mk:33:
device/google/gs201/evolution_common.mk:44: error: hardware/google/pixel/touch/device.mk: No such file or directory
13:12:21 dumpvars failed with: exit status 1
including vendor/evolution/vendorsetup.sh
In file included from build/make/core/config.mk:352:
In file included from build/make/core/envsetup.mk:352:
In file included from device/google/pantah/evolution_cheetah.mk:33:
device/google/gs201/evolution_common.mk:44: error: hardware/google/pixel/touch/device.mk: No such file or directory
13:12:21 dumpvars failed with: exit status 1

Am I supposed to check out the sources from Google or Lineage and merge them into Evo?

Trying to build AOSP from Google results in a bunch of timeouts and the odd 404.

Lineage wants to pull the blobs from a running phone on Lineage or pull them from a build.zip but that doens't work either.

Python 2 is depreciated for years, but somehow Android still "needs" it? Why?!?!?!

There is no target for python2 in the repos anymore, but I have the last build installed anyway - still no love.

Suggestions?