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[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] kban2000:
sorry, i didn't explain it right.

I want to use the fold in flex mode, or even unfolded, but be able to switch (inside the camera app) all over the cameras, even the one in the front 6.2 screen
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] -MrMM-:
Why don't you turn the Fold 180° and youse the main camara at the Back. Ok, the phone lays on the front display in this case. Put a silk or paper towel under it and it will be fine.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] kban2000:
that's the reason, because I don't have anything protecting the front screen, but yes, that's always an option. Anyway, samsung should let us use all the cameras while unfolded.
[Samsung Galaxy Z Fold 4] -MrMM-:
well, maybe they should. In my opinion the front camara is the least favourite one to use in almost all possible situations. Selfie? Use the main cam unfolded with the front display as preview. Video call? The display cam under main screen does a good job for video calls and the big screen is amazing for that. Semiflex? Use the main cam for things behind the phone, it's amazing for that.

Just don't use the front cam. I mean, ok, if you need a quick mirror to check your face, than it's the quickest cam ready to check. But in other cases i avoid the front cam.
[Google Pixel 6] Skatezero:
currently using s20+. Upgrade or nahh?
[Google Pixel 6] nikolasokol:
I am satisfied with phone.

It's bigger than 6A which was my first choice, but I have decided for 6.

I didn't own any Samsung phone before so I can't compare.

I reviews people sad that they have problems with fingerprint sensor, but for me, it's ok.

It doesn't have macro mode in camera but you can use 4X zoom for close up photos.

Now I'm in search for good case 😀
[Google Pixel 6] Jaitsu:
The Pixel 6 is a nice, solid phone, but honestly I don't think it'd be much of an upgrade from the S20+. The Pixel's processor/GPU are a bit faster and you'd notice that in games, but otherwise the S20+ is actually better (resolution, refresh rate, screen size, camera quality).
[Google Pixel 6] Skatezero:
I'll upgrade in 4 years then. Cheers mate
[Touch HD General] Strus:
I was reading lots of threads today and I got confused. It looks like there is a few apps doing plus minus the same job.

Can anyone explain me main differences between:

1.Advanced Configuration Tool

2.Diamond TF3D Config Setup

3.HD Tweak

And which one you would advise ?
[Touch HD General] Vampire2800:
Ok, Schap's Advanced Config is the basis (foundation) for the other tweakers. Diamond TF3D Config is more or less just for the TF3D User Interface. HD Tweak is basically the same thing as Schap's Advanced Config, but exclusively for the HTC Touch HD. HD's have some settings that are different from all the other phones.

I use HD Tweak & Diamond TF3D Config. Both have settings for different things. Make sure that you get the latest & greatest HD Tweak.

Good Luck & Happy Hunting!!!!!!!!!!!!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Racpu_:
I'm opening this topic to get this information to all S23/S23+ users.

We have a serious problem with the camera and Samsung has come to say that it is a feature and so far Samsung has been washing its hands and not pronouncing itself, not even issuing a statement about this problem.

Is your S23 good? Vote!

Almost 6 years separate the OnePlus 5T from the S23+ and still, the 5T gets better definition and focus, despite the fact that the 5T already has enough problems with the Camera.

But Samsung continues to say that it is a function and characteristic of the lens of the S23+ what is clearly seen in the "banana" effect is a circle of blur, perhaps not because of the sensor but because of the poor construction of the lens. I, like many others, feel cheated for having bought the S23.

Look at the photos and draw conclusions.

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OnePlus 5T

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Samsung S23+

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5T vs S23+
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] The_SloPro:
Yes. Very bad photos if you dont hold the phone completeley still. Also in apps like snapchat, it takes 2 seconds to capture the photo, which is often completely blurred (not out of focus, but a preview of two secs before tapping the shutter button)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Jason379:
S23 (non +) user here. My phone's been suffering from the very same issue and in 90%+ of all the photos I have taken with it so far you can clearly spot the 'banana-spahed' blur at first sight without having to pixel-peep.

The phone itself is amazing.. yet the cameras turned out to be a huuuge letdown. Never seen such inconsistent, over-sharpened and over-processed images before. And then there's the blur which ruins pretty much every image taken (even more). My 2016 LG G5 takes better and sharper images than my S23..
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] The_SloPro:
Can someone that also uses snapchat confirm my issue please? It can't be just me...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Jason379:
I just tried it on my S23 and I must say that theres absolutely no delay when taking snaps.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] The_SloPro:
Can I DM?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Jason379:
Sure :)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
My S23 256mb arrived yesterday and today I returned it!

It had horrible focus and the bananagate effect too!

My old Honor 8 from 2016 focus better on close subjects than S23.

I refuse to believe this is normal on a 2023 flagship!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Racpu_:
It's sad to say, but from 2020 smartphones have gotten worse and worse, the S23 is not worthy of a flagship, the camera has issues and Samsung just won't admit it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Racpu_:
Other examples using my iPhone 12

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iPhone 12

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Samsung S23+

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iPhone 12 vs Samsung S23+

Draw your own conclusions
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Yep that's what I've experienced too!

I tested the S23 against my Tablet S8+ / Pixel 6a / Honor 8 and all of them took clean focused pictures of documents. This situation is important to me because I digitalize a lot of documents like this.

The Samsung official position about this is that it is a normal effect and for this kind of utilization we must take the photo using the 2x or 3x option with the phone far from the paper. I refuse to believe this.

But even assuming that the 2x or 3x method solves it, this problem does not end here (on close up shots) because there are reports of image blur in the same sensor place (left side when in landscape) when shooting normal daily photos.

Another report I did read but did not test, is that if we put that same A4 paper on a wall (instead of a table) and take the photo with the phone vertically, the banana effect does not occur! Can anyone test this scenario? If this is true it blows out of the water the theory of 2x/3x and takes it to a mechanical problem due to gravity orientation of the sensor or other camera component.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] NM99:
I have been using my S23+ for two months now and no issues on camera like that...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Your unit was made where?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] NM99:
How can I check that?

But I believe it was made here in Brazil, where I live.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Racpu_:
Take the test on a document and put the photo here
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
The country where your device was made is printed on the box, on the sticker where you can also see the IMEI.

PT: amigo está na caixa, na etiqueta onde se pode ver o IMEI ;)
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] The_SloPro:
Well I don't have that kind of issues. Images are all good and focused (no blur on the side), only in snapchat it has some kind of shutter lag for like 2 seconds.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Country of production?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] The_SloPro:
I don't know my factory csc is MOT, in device info it says Sales Code: EUX, Sales Country: EEA (Europe) (DE), my 7th and 8th digit of IMEI is 46
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
The country where your device was made is printed on the box, on the sticker where you can also see the IMEI.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] The_SloPro:
It says MADE IN VIETNAM
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Iega84:
Creo que tuve suerte s23+ no me presenta fallos hasta el momento!!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Racpu_:
If you look closely, you can see the problem in the photos you took.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Any news about this problem?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] DoobyDroid:
Seen it in the S23 ultra and now S23+ practically every picture has some kind of blur or focus issue it's going back soon as I can get to store I'm done with samsung for this series
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
I have this same issue and I got a silly response from samsung that this is a chariteristic of the camera. what a load of BS.

I bought this phone two weeks ago and I'm very disappointed to discover that the camera is crap like this.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Return it!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
I don't know what to take instead.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
Did anyone try Gcam to see if this issue is present?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
I gave my phone to the shop I bought it from and they are sending it to Samsung labs. I'm not optimistic at all... but it's the least I can do for now.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Jason379:
Yes. I fully switched to using Gcam exclusively a while ago and it didn't do anything to 'fix' the issue. It's clearly hardware-based and can't be fixed with a firmware update. I guess it has something to do with a slight misalignment of one of the lens elements inside the camera module. My other guess would be a faulty lens element as in the element itself having imperfections on its surface - even the slightest bump on an otherwise flat surface can cause such optical issues.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
IMO, that's a waste of time as I've seen from other reports from people that did that too.

That was my thought too but I ended returning it because I can not keep a such expensive device that is supposedly a top end phone with this kind of "feature".
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
I see a lot of people saying this is a "normal effect" of using a large sensor. I don't buy this idea.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
A side question: Which Gcam APK and XML did you use? Other than the faulty camera issue, were you happier with the end results vs. the default Samsung camera?

I agree with your statement re: lens imperfection/misalignment

I believe you are correct, but I wanted to try first as this will give me some leverage when I'll activate my warranty to replace the phone. They won't be able to tell me "lets send it to the lab first..." as I've done that already. Any ideas which phones in the same S23+ category to take?

Completely agree.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Jason379:
Nah, I'm not buying that particular argument either. Not even an iPhone 14 Pro is showing such optical issues. It's Samsung being Samsung again. Not trying to be offensive, but asian companies are notoriously struggling when it comes to having to admit any mistakes. They are afraid of 'losing their face' so they rather decide to not talk about anything at all.

I'm using LMC (R16) 8.4.300.414775575.18 in combination with JavaSabr's config (sharp), which I then tweaked even more to my liking.

I'm planning on replacing my S23 with the S23 Ultra but if I were you, I'd replace it with an Oppo Find X6 or even the Find X6 Pro - the cameras are amazing and do not have any of the optical issues that the S23 is suffering from.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
I have issues with companies like Oppo, Xiaomi and the likes... they are less suited for me. Samsung is a decent company, yet I agree that they will need a battery explosion to admit an issue.

For me it's either Google phone, Samsung or... iphone, which I dislike.

p.s. - what are the tweaks you applied?
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Same thoughts about those brands here!

I'm trying to keep away from pure Chinese brands from security reasons.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
exactly that!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
Alternatives ....

iPhones are too expensive ....

I might try the Pixel 8 this year.

Pixel 7 has fingerprint reader problems. :(
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] DaOldMan:
Just buy a S23 Ultra, it doesn't have those problems. Or much less because of it's very different photo array.

Cbeers.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] jvidia:
It seems it also has got the same problem. I've read reports about it by S23 Ultra owners.

Besides that it's too expensive and too large.

I'm interested only on 6.1 to 6.3 inches phones.

If I was a women then the S23 Ultra would not be a problem as to the size, because they put the phones in their bags.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] DaOldMan:
I don't think the same problem is on s23 ultra. 95% fake news.

As for the size, you get used to it. The cameras are worth it if you like photography.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
it's out of the price range for me.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] DaOldMan:
Sorry to hear that.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Jason379:
I haven't seen any valid claims regarding the S23U having the same issues so far. It's a completely different array. Also, the larger sensor inside the S23U gives the user way more depth of field, which can easily be mistaken for an optical error by some users.

The S23 and S23+ models however clearly do suffer from a faulty lens design /misalignment of one of the lens elements. I just can't oversee and ignore it - no matter how good the 50mp sensor is actually performing.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] 7gismo:
Just after reading this thread, I can confirm the issue of unsharp areas in the image taken at 1.0 magnification rate at short distance is clearly there! But if zoomed in on 3x magnification, image is as sharp as it can get, corner to corner. Images taken at normal (meaning medium to far) distances don't exhibit any out of focus areas in my quick snapshots, but CLEARLY short/close up distances at 1.0 magnification show "the banana effect". Does it bother me? Absolutely!!! Can i live with it? It is just me I guess, but I can, using 3x zoom for occasional pictures of documents is fine with me. My model is EUX from Germany, if that's valid information to anyone.

I'm not selling the phone because of this camera issue, because I like everything else I tested it for so far. But Samsung should man up and admit they're at fault here, whether it is a software or hardware issue (or combination of both, no idea). For such an expensive device one would expect ANYTHING captured during daytime/with plenty of light available (including) close up pictures to be as sharp as a razor, bloody hell!
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
define close range?

do you consider 30cm as close range? 30cm isn't macro relm yet. Close? maybe, but not too close... it's a valid distance to use 1x zoom with primary lense for this kind of phone.

Samsung won't own anything unless the battery explodes
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] 7gismo:
Like I stated, I'm not jumping for joy there's an issue in a first place with the camera at short distance using the standard 1x range (short perhaps being the right term I guess). Tbh using the short/document distance at 3x magnification is not a big deal, but hey that's just me. Other users who require to be this spot on IF they use it frequently (day to day basis maybe?) have every right to be pissed off. I'd just return the phone and get Ultra or different brand flagship, plenty to choose from out there:)

Absolutely agree that Samsung won't give a damn unless phone goes on fire on its own (and even then investigation would follow).
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
The problem I have with other brands is that they are Chinese phones which I distrust.

That leaves Google and Samsung.

Google is not up there with Samsung yet, so that leaves just Sammy.

The Ultra is out of price range for me.

I've held the same phone for 8 years and finally when I decided to upgrade, I stumble on this stupid issue.

As a pro photographer who also likes to use the camera phone when I'm out and about with my kids, I couldn't help but notice quality degradation in sharpness.

Only after I noticed it I started testing more thoroughly at home, using A4 paper with text.

such a shame...
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] 7gismo:
I feel your pain, though not a pro photographer, just an enthusiast, Nikon Z7 and Sony A7R IVa user here:) In my case using smartphone camera stands for more initial scouting function and documenting places and faces, if that makes sense.

This "bananagate" is simply criminal on Samsung's behalf, quite shocking when one realises how much they charge for the device alone! To me personally it is not the end of the world, but for someone like yourself and users who want the best possible performance (especially in regards to camera output) in the flagship smartphone price range, disappointment is a mild term.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] gil80:
A quick update.

My phone was completely replaced, due to the store's policy - the phone must be replaced with a new one if it is less than 14 days since the purchase date.

I didn't argue, but I did mention that I'll come back again after 3 weeks, since this issue is likely to occur.

To my surprise, there's an improvement. It's not perfect, but much more passable. The blurriness happens now at the edge of the lens, which is common even with pro DSLR cameras and lenses, and the top part of the image (landscape orientation) has more blur compared to the bottom, but that blur isn't that bad.

What I did find to be a possible bug is that the standard camera mode with 3:2 50MP camera, is post-processing the image HDR style, even though I disabled this setting. See attached video till the end

The images to compare are named ORIGINAL and REMASTERED, where the remastered is how the image was captured before post-processing bug.

You can see in the images that the far left is still sharper compared to the lines that are more towards the center. Issue is not resolved, only slightly improved. I uploaded the same image twice, one of them is with my mark ups to help you see the issue.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Vaizen:
Just to add myself as a sufferer of the bananagate. Bought my s23+ Last week and completely moved to it three days ago. I was happy until I read this thread LOL.

My unit was made in Vietnam according to the box, but I'm in Colombia. And the camera problem is something widespread as it seems.

Honestly it doesn't bitter me a lot, but it shouldn't Exist at all on a flagship phone. So I don't know if they would exchange as a warranty thing or even if I'd go through that hassle.

Some examples are attached.

For those unaware of the problem compare the center text with the text to the extremes of the pictures.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] miro1360:
S23 Ultra (SM-S918B/DS 8GB/256GB, Vietnam, bought in EU, newest firmware up to this date)

has this bananagate effect issue. It is going worse with more MPx photos. 3x zoom is clean as expected. Close-focus enhancement is partly working, but only for documents - unusable for normal photos where this issue persists when you decide to have this phone (like I did) you need to take pictures accordingly this issue.

In my opinion, this is a poorly designed camera lens assembly and nothing will be done about it (another reason for which they will sell S24 better in which they might improve it).

The camera was supposed to sell this phone, but paradoxically it ends up returning it to the manufacturer LOOL. "Good job" Samsung. The second time ask Oppo or Honor how to make the lens for a flagship phone (and continue with speaker performance :D)

I decided to keep this phone, so can I live with this issue? I can. When I take portrait photo I will do it with 3x zoom or I will place the object in the center to avoid this bluring issue on the face. In the case of a country in the high resolution, yeah, I probably won't do anything here.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] Racpu_:
Today my S23+ goes to the assistance center, the wait for it to be repaired is minimal, as Samsung continues to rule out camera problems. Anyway, I won't shut up... because we're talking about a cell phone that costs €1200, and it's completely frustrating, I can't use it, even my S10e is better on camera.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] miro1360:
@Racpu_ Inform us after that how the assistance center helped you with this problem.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] chetszot:
I have S23 and besides terrible image processing itself, the bananagate issue is really pissing me off.

1000 EUR phone has THAT significant defect and Samsung employees is making us, the customers dumb, explaining this is "normal" and this is "physics" or "optics" effect, which is of course bull****.

I contacted my local Samsung Service and - at the first glance - they have also played dumb by claiming they have no idea what I'm talking about, later they were trying to make me dumb claiming I don't know physics and optics and this is A FEATURE OF THIS PHONE ( lol xD), but at the end when I had thousands of proofs it's bull**** what they are saying, they have silently admitted there IS a hardware issue they know about, but the amount of proper camera modules is limited and they could TRY to repair, but without guarantee the new module will be better xD.

Apparently when I see people posting their images on the web, I find my module being "great" when comparing to the others, really. Of course it's still crap and is not capable of capturing text and the landscape greenery shots are a garbage, but still my unit seems to be a lot less bad than others are posting.

Nevertheless, I was trying to play with the manual focus in PRO mode in order to try to make the blurred area in focus (to prove that the potential software image stacking could do the trick). I couldn't. No matter what I did in PRO mode, even when the greenish dots appeared around the "banana" area (PRO manual focus indicates focused areas with the greenish dots), the resulted photo was still blurry there.

Conclusions? This is a hardware issue that is unlikely to be solved (lack of good modules) and seems it cannot be fixed with software trickery. Good job samsung -,-
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] miro1360:
The video recording quality (stabilization and final result) was the only reason why I decided for S23 Ultra (not the photography). If just photography I would buy oppo x6 pro. S23 Ultra is my first samsung phone over 1000 EUR and also the last (not because the banana effect, but because they make us fool). Samsung is experiencing real competition from chinese mobiles (oppo, honor, vivo, etc.), I am waiting for better video recording and that's it.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] glasseffects:
This problem is a hallmark of Samsung's 2020 series. Here's the S22 vs S9. The Non-Ultra is a cash-cow for Samsung. It's not even on par with the build quality of S10.
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] chetszot:
Hmm, weird.

I've had vanilla S20 since its release until I stupidly switched to this garbage S23 and my S20 did brilliant shots of documents. Actually it was taking great pictures of everything - the best cameraphone I've ever had and never had such an issue you posted.

Maybe there was some other faulty lenses on S20 back then I was not aware of as my unit is working perfectly until today (my wife is using it right now).
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] DaOldMan:
My good friend Dov did a test with his S23 Ultra. He is a proffesional photographer so he tested it thoroughly. He used a table with a printed paper and held the Ultra parallel to the table with a tripod. As you can see there is NO banana effect on the resulting picture. He use 200 MP mode. So S23 Ultra is not "garbage". He is very satisfied with his S23 Ultra so far.

His setup:
[Samsung Galaxy S23 Plus] miro1360:
@DaOldMan No needs for proffesional setup to check the bananagate on the S23 Ultra. According to the available information, there are some models that do not have this problem and mostly they are assembled outside Vietnam. So I can proudly say: The main camera on my S23 Ultra is garbage :)